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Title: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Allen M. Karon on February 21, 2005, 08:19:26 PM
Rochester is just about 284 miles away from Pittsburgh.  Take I-579 North to I-279 North to I-79 North to Erie, PA.  From Erie, PA, take I-90 East to Rochester, NY.

Carnegie Mellon would probably be staying at the Rochester Airport Marriott on West Ridge Rd. in Greece, NY on Friday night, but I would check with the CMU Dept. of Athletics to be sure if the Tartans win on Wednesday.  

First things first, Carnegie Mellon has to win on Wednesday at Case in an "unofficial UAA conference semifinal" to get to the "UAA title game."
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gordon "Marco Scutaro" Mann on February 21, 2005, 08:24:43 PM
Chris:

CMU is in the Great Lakes region.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Bobcat on February 22, 2005, 12:03:44 AM
This week's Carnegie Mellon games can be heard live on WRCT Radio, 88.3 FM Pittsburgh.

Wednesday at Case Western: women at 6 PM, men at 8 PM.

Saturday at Rochester:  women at 2 PM, men at 4 PM.

Listen to the Kilties claim the UAA title live over the internet at http://www.wrct.org
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: texman on February 22, 2005, 09:20:47 AM
Aaron,
Case has the worst record in UAA and knowing what the Tartans have on the line I give them the edge.  The game has yet to be played but I call this good tuneup for the game Saturday.  The Tartans need to show up with the intention of winning the UAA and posting their best record ever in school history.
 
I'm glad to see WRCT show their colors and broadcast the game.  Now get some energetic announcers to do the game and we'd all be happy. JK
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: CMU FAN on February 22, 2005, 08:42:39 PM
Texman. Watch that announcer comment. Bobcat might be offended.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: cardinal&slate on February 23, 2005, 09:51:27 AM
Rumor has it that the Tartans are already in Cleveland awating the "UAA Semi-Final" Game tonight.  My guess is that they are eating scrambled eggs at a Ponderosa as we speak. The Vegas Line is currently Tartans by 11.5 and moving up by the hour.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: power on February 23, 2005, 10:24:02 AM
Great move by CMU to get into Cleveland the night before the game.  The last thing you want to do in a game you should win is get off to a slow start because of a long bus ride.

I just hope the Spartans of Case Western aren't eating any eggs because the Tartans are going to pount it out of them tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: cardinal&slate on February 23, 2005, 10:37:59 AM
As long as they stretch out properly "On the Whistle" old school style, The Tartans won't come out flat tonight. They have too much to gain with a victory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: boyz2mud on February 23, 2005, 03:11:13 PM
Carnegie-Mellon is smellin' no more! Roger Rafson with the call- "Do you believe in miracles?.... NO" cries Mike (Icabod) Neer.
I hope they don't get caught watching the paint dry when they run "Power" (even if they change it up and call it "Ohio").
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jon Blanciak on February 23, 2005, 04:44:39 PM
A NEW ERA:

Say farewell to the days of losing to Haverford, Hartman wanting to play, and the Adams Family tryouts.....

Bid a kind goodbye to ripper, chuckles, and rogaine.

So long to quiver and quake, shattered backboards, benec's winning shot, and anus's last game...

same goes for lassan knowing the hardwood, good time gary, keenan tutein, and big dave washington.

(i could go on all day here.  please add your own nostalgia)

Say Hello to a new era of winning basketball.

BLAM
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: power on February 23, 2005, 05:45:42 PM
Glory days, da-de-da-da...

What about Two-bit, the Worm and Flava-Flav (aka the JV All-American)?

Or maybe the Wightman Bowl, Cardinal/Slate games and that slap on the wrist in Hotlanta?  Do you still remember how to do the the communication drill?  Can you still picture the mix-matched uniforms at Robert Morris?  Hey buddy, want to upgrade that tie?

I would like to think that the New Era at CMU is not surpassing the glory days, only building on them.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: CMU FAN on February 23, 2005, 09:44:36 PM
Final from the Veale Center in Cleveland.

Carnegie Mellon 87 Case 80

The Tartans head to Rochester with chance to win the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 23, 2005, 10:59:40 PM
I've got to hand it to CMU-- they started the 2nd half on a 16-4 run and maintained control from there.  That has been one of Case's problems this year-- they've lost a lot of close, winnable games by losing control in the 2nd half.  It would be interesting if the Tartans can build on this and wrap up the UAA title at Rochester.

Ironically, if Case doesn't win at Emory this Saturday, then their only UAA win would be at Wash U, whom they hadn't beaten in 15 years prior.

As for the fan poll mentioned earlier, the UAA is the conference I know best, but since I live in the Great Lakes region, there are a bunch of tourney-worthy teams that get coverage in the local paper (of course, I can get a lot more information here at D3Hoops).  While I do know more about the women's teams in the area, the Great Lakes is significantly stronger on the men's side this year, and I've heard more about the local teams in the polls.  If you're still looking for a fan from Ohio, I may be able to help you.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoops Fan on February 24, 2005, 10:59:11 AM
It looks like all eyes will be on the UAA this weekend.  Rochester with a loss still has some hope of life in Pool C, so as much as we'd like to root for the underdog, I think the rest of the d3world will be hoping for a Rochester win.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Allen M. Karon on February 24, 2005, 01:25:55 PM
UAA Men's action

Saturday, February 26, 2005

Note to all fans:  If you can personally attend a UAA game on Saturday, please do so.

First, the other UAA games:

1.)  Case at Emory-- 1 PM Eastern

Listen to the game on Teamline: 1-800-846-4700
Team code: 1028

PAY PER LISTEN-- GAME DAY PASS IS $40.00
PER MINUTE OPTIONS ALSO AVAILABLE.

2.)  Chicago at Wash U--

Tip time: 3 PM Central/4 PM Eastern

Listen to the game at http://kwur.wustl.edu

3.)  Brandeis at NYU--

Note: Both Brandeis and NYU are playing for ECAC bids and seeding in their respective regions.

Tip time:  3 PM Central/4 PM Eastern

Brandeis feed:  http://www.wbrs.org
NYU feed:  http://www.wnyu.org

--more--
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Allen M. Karon on February 24, 2005, 01:29:52 PM
4.)  THE MAIN EVENT--

Carnegie Mellon at Rochester

FOR THE UAA MEN'S BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP AND THE AUTOMATIC BID TO THE NCAAs.

Tip time:  3 PM Central/4 PM Eastern

If you absolutely, positively cannot make it to the Palestra in Rochester, NY, listen to the game on these two feeds:

1.)  Rochester feed:  http://www.wysl1040.com

J.C. DeLass with the call on the Rochester Yellowjackets radio network.  :-)

2.)  Carnegie Mellon feed:  http://www.wrct.org

I assume that it will be either Charles Martin or Tristan Hoffman or both on the Tartans radio network.  :-)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: boyz2mud on February 25, 2005, 08:43:50 AM
An ugly rumor out of Pittsburgh - Even if they beat Rochester, CMU may not be able to go into the D3 tourney because of an NCAA violation.  
There is an investigation into an alum (keeping name secret to protect those involved) who was having deep dish pizza with the team after the game in Chicago. The alum, who's name rhymes with Bonzio, decided he wanted to have Cherry Coke instead of the regular stuff so he bought a can out of the vending machine. When one of the players came over, he offered to buy him one as well. The funny thing was that there was no rules infraction until the alum said "If you guys win, I'm going to change my last name to "Bonzio"-Wilcox." Thus the violation.
I hope he is proud of himself. Talk about a division three jock-sniffer.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: diehardfan on February 25, 2005, 08:48:55 AM
I think the rest of the d3world will be hoping for a Rochester win.

Yeah, except for this crazy girl who bet she would eat her tennies... :-)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on February 25, 2005, 09:05:45 AM
Excuse me Alan, I've got to ask... in your description above, you say that to listen to the Case at Emory game on Teamline costs $40.00/minute.... hmmm so to listen to the entire game, it would cost me approx 5 G's... tell me, do they sell many of these packages?????
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Chris Pae on February 25, 2005, 09:43:53 AM
It's $40 for a gameday.  I'm assuming you can listen to a game or a couple of games for $40, which is still an exorbitant amount of money.  

Emory really needs to get a real radio station instead of one that can just be accessed by computer or on their campus TV channel.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoops Fan on February 25, 2005, 11:14:16 AM
I'm pretty sure he separated those two statements, but it was a funny pick-up
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on February 25, 2005, 11:20:14 AM
Hoops...oooooh I see...... ahhhh the role a single forgotten comma can play in our language!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 26, 2005, 04:12:13 PM
With regard to my earlier post, Case ended the season with a disappointing second half in a loss at Emory-- they led early in the second half and still lost by 27.  The Spartans finish at 5-20 (actually better than last year) but 1-13 in the UAA with 12 straight losses.

But on the bright side, Case only graduates two seniors, neither of whom started, and junior forward Carson Oren has scored 457 points this season to bring him to 1,236 for his career.  Oren is 7th on the Spartans' all-time scoring list and is 221 points away from breaking the school record.

(Message edited by Sandman on February 26, 2005)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: RochachaFan on February 26, 2005, 05:44:21 PM
Rochester 62-57 over CMU and the green light to the tourney!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Cummings on March 01, 2005, 07:40:04 PM
FYI  

The NCAA in association with D3hoops.com will be webcasting the audio from Thursday's Union/Gwynedd Mercy game. The audio page on D3hoops will link to NCAAsports.com for the links to the broadcast. I'll be on the call. Hope you can tune in.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: CMU FAN on March 02, 2005, 11:48:06 PM
Tartans win opener over Gettysburg. Final score 66-60 in the first men's playoff game ever at Skibo Gym. Carnegie Mellon will play Catholic on Friday night in Lancaster Pa.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Allen M. Karon on March 12, 2005, 08:54:49 PM
Congratulations to the University of Rochester and head coach Mike Neer on the occasion of winning the sectional at Amherst tonight and advancing to the Final Four.

Hopefully, the Yellowjackets can capture the national title next weekend in Salem, VA for the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ur2004 on March 12, 2005, 09:06:21 PM
yeah UR!

up next is Calvin?  Lets see what we can do..
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: andrew tysse on March 13, 2005, 09:40:47 AM
iam a calvin fan tell me about your team please what to look out for and players please   calvin has a good point guard ricky  and dan aultman and a really good 3 point shooter
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dman on March 13, 2005, 01:45:10 PM
congrats to rochester on beating amherst and potsdam.  good luck in the final four.  just wondering if the victory over amherst had anything to do with payback from '03??......
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Allen M. Karon on March 14, 2005, 08:24:42 AM
Dman--

The victory over Amherst may have had something to do with '03, but then again, if Bryan Lambert had made his free throws near the end, Brandeis could have won at Amherst in the regular season, too.  Since Brandeis almost won at Amherst  (the Lord Jeffs only beat the Judges by 4), it was not too surprising that Rochester was able to pull off the victory over Amherst, seeing that Rochester beat Brandeis twice this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: d-mac on March 15, 2005, 04:52:16 PM
And then there were FOUR... or really eight!
This weekend... the best of the best are crowded
But before then... we tell you who we think are the best... on "Hoopsville"!!!


Eight teams in the nation can see where the road finishes. But who is going to get past the final two exits?

Millikin took out Calvin in a hard fought battle... to earn their way to the Women's Final Four. So is this Illinois team ready to go? Coach Lori Kerans will let us know. Her #6 ranked Big Blue Ladies are the lowest ranked team remaining, but still battle tested and ready for their semi-final game with Southern Maine.

The #1 ranked Scranton Lady Royals sure had a tough road to drive as they took on last year's championship finalist, Bowdoin College in the Elite Eight. Scranton showed why they are the #1 team in the nation, knocking off the Polar Bears. So do the Lady Royals have anything left in the tank for Randolph-Macon in the semi-finals? Coach Mike Strong answer that question and if that #1 ranking adds any pressure.

On the men's side, Rochester is still marching... even though mid-way through the season, most thought they had no chance. But their star player returned... and they knocked off not only last year's Final Four finalist Amherst in the Sweet 16... but then took out a suddenly hot SUNY-Potsdam team in the Elite Eight. Now, Rochester has been here before, and Coach Mike Neer has the experience. But how does his team prepare for a tough Final Four match-up with Calvin.

Calvin - people warned us about. They are the only team left in this men's tournament that has played every game to get here. First Wheaton, then Aurora, finally Mississippi College fell to the side of the Knights. Then came MIAA conference foe - and champion Albion. Which Calvin disposed of 60-52... to take their drive to Salem... for the first time since they won the national title in 2000.
So, what will Coach Kevin Vande Streek use from that last title run to help his team get past Rochester and into the title game? We will ask him that and much more (including if he saw Albion's buzzer beater Friday night? Jared did!).

And then there is York College (PA)... 11-15 last year... flew under many radars most of the year... and now they are in the first Final Four in the school's history.
Coach Jeff Gamber has traveled to Salem before, but never with a team playing. Now, after 28 years... he in Salem as a participant. But, this trip is completely new to Coach Gamber and the Spartans, who until this year had never won a NCAA Tournament game. We will talk to the coach of York and see if he has yet to come down from the high of beating Kings on Saturday to lock up the trip to Salem.

So come join us online and LIVE from 8-10PM Eastern!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Allen M. Karon on March 18, 2005, 07:52:37 PM
Congrats, UR!!!

Now, go and win the national championship game tomorrow!!!  :-)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Old School on March 24, 2005, 02:38:48 AM
ATTENTION:

I recently picked up my Final Four pictures from Wally World.  I have 50+ pictures of the games, fans and celebrations.  Obviously they are Pointer-baised, but I do have some good game pictures of York and Rochester players as well (as well as a nice York student section fan picture).  Unfortunately, I only have one student section fan picture for the Calvin faithful.  I guess it would've helped had we played Calvin.  Sorry.  So, if you are interested at looking at the pictures, send me an email and I can send you the Walmart online links to the pictures.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on May 20, 2005, 05:59:39 PM
Chicago announced two incoming freshmen.   Announcement is here.

I did some digging and found Watson listed as a 6-8 center.


Chicago -- University of Chicago Head Men's Basketball Coach Mike McGrath announced today the team's incoming freshmen for the 2005-06 campaign.

Adam Machones (Duluth, Minn./ Marshall) was a three-time all-state honorable mention selection at Marshall High School, which posted a 20-8 record this past season. The 6'5" Machones averaged 21.3 points, 9.1 rebounds, and 4.1 assists per game en route to garnering All-Lake Superior Conference first-team recognition for the third consecutive year.

Tom Watson (Edina, Minn./ Edina) averaged 11.6 points, 9.4 rebounds, and 1.4 blocked shots per game as a senior at Edina High School, where he was a three-time letterwinner and two-time all-conference selection. He led Edina in blocked shots three straight years and was the team's leading rebounds the past two campaigns.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marroon_man on August 09, 2005, 02:28:51 PM
In my expert opinion, I believe the U of Chicago Marroons will win the UAA this year.   They've been down the last few years but this is where they are making their move, their due a breakout season.  Being out in Cali I got the opportunity to see their 6'8" forward in action at a prestigious summer league.

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on October 19, 2005, 09:09:23 AM
The Brandeis men's basketball roster for the 2005-2006 season has now been posted on the Brandeis Athletics men's basketball page.

Last year, with a squad of mostly freshmen, Brandeis finished in the top half of the UAA standings for the first time in years.  This year, although the Judges are still a young team, look for Brandeis to move up in the standings and vie for a potential post-season bid-- and Brandeis is just as capable as most of the teams in the UAA to win the UAA men's basketball championship this year.  (although I believe that Carnegie Mellon will probably be the slight early favorite in what should be a tight UAA race.)

Brandeis returns 8 players to the team-- all sophomores.  However, 3 of these players earned UAA all-Honorable Mention last season.  Brandeis returns last year's UAA Rookie of the Year Florian Rexhepi to the starting lineup as well as Honorable Mention players Steve DeLuca and Kwame Graves-Fulgham.  Rocco Toppi and Joe Coppens are also among the 8 returning players to the Brandeis team.

In addition, Brandeis has once again recruited a very talented class of 6 new players.  Among them are 2 more international players.  1 of them, Ido Givon, is from Israel, and he is a transfer from NAIA DII Seton Hill University (PA).  Mr. Givon averaged 4.4 ppg and 1.7 rpg in about 8 min a game off the bench for the Seton Hill Griffins last season-- he played in 20 games last season for the Griffins.  His contributions helped Seton Hill finish with a 20-8 record last season (in only the second year of the program's existence), and 1 game shy of the NAIA tournament-- the Griffins lost in their conference championship game.  The other new international player is Xing Dong, a 6' 9" frosh from Beijing, China.   

The four other new players all have stellar high school resumes, and I also look forward to seeing how their games are progressing in the preseason.  Among hese players include Riko Bol, a 6'5" Fr. from Portland, Maine-- a high school teammate of Rocco Toppi's who made significant contributions to the 2003-2004 championship Portland High School season.  The other new players include 6'2" Fr. Husson Conti from Edmond, Washington--  6"4" Fr. Kevin Olson from Rockport, MA, and 6'7" Fr. David Mael from Winthrop, MA.

In the preseason, Brandeis has an away scrimmage at Springfield College in Nov. 5, and a home scrimmage at Auerbach Arena on Nov. 12 against Endicott.  Endicott is coached by former Brandeis assistant coach Chris Millette.  Brandeis opens up the 2005-2006 season on Nov. 19 at home when they open up the Brandeis men's tip-off tourney against Newbury.  Lasell and Roger Williams round out the men's tip off tournament field.

I look forward to checking out the home scrimmage on Nov. 12.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 19, 2005, 03:51:54 PM

Brendeis has a very legitimate shot at post-season play, even if they only do 2nd place in the UAA.  The NE region is a bit down, but Brandeis' schedule includes a lot of the big guns... certainly a great potential Quality of Wins Index number.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on October 20, 2005, 10:37:53 AM
Speaking of a QoW number, I would have preferred that Brandeis tipped off in the first game for QoW purposes against Roger Williams rather than Newbury, as the Newbury Nighthawks men's team finished 4-21 last season, and have Lasell play Newbury.  However, since Brandeis lost against Colby-Sawyer in the first round of last year's tip-off tourney, and since the UAA is tough enough anyways-- getting Brandeis into the championship game of the men's tip-off this year may be worth risking a potential "8" grade on the QoW on the first round game for a home victory against Newbury.   Who knows-- being an independent team, Newbury may improve this season, and the point may become moot at the end of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 20, 2005, 12:09:03 PM

Newberry is so up and down from year to year, it's really hard to tell.  I think it was smart of Brandeis to make sure they had a winnable game first, especially with all the younger guys.  For the most part, the entire team is experiencing the feeling of 'veteran' status all at once.  You wouldn't want the proverbial sophomore slump to hit the whole team, which I've seen plenty of time in the first game out.  Although a scrimmage with Endicott will certainly help keep them on their toes.

Lasell and Roger Williams is a good tell-tale game as well, there's a good chance the winner of that game will do very well throughout the season and have a high QoW number.  It would stink to schedule the 'tougher' game and then have that team end up below .500 at the end of the year anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on October 24, 2005, 08:38:28 AM
News regarding a change in the way the starting lineups are to be introduced at all UAA basketball conference games:

Effective, August 1, 2005, an amendment to Section 4.10-- Miscellaneous Administration of the UAA Basketball Code of Conduct took effect.

As a result, there is now a new uniform conference rule of introducing the starting lineups at all UAA basketball games. 

Effective this season, the NCAA tournament method of introducing the starting lineups shall be the method of introducing the starting lineups at all UAA basketball games.

Previously, to my knowledge, only Wash U used the NCAA tournament method at their home games, while most UAA institutions in previous seasons introduced first all 5 starting members of the visiting team, followed by all 5 starters of the home team.

The Basketball Code of Conduct can be found at:

http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Administration/Codes_of_Conduct.doc
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 24, 2005, 09:38:01 AM

I understand the UAA has the air of academic superiority over athletics, which is fine and totally consistent with the d3 philosophy, but those introductions are a great way to improve the home court advantage.  It was always a joy for me to intentionally mis-pronounce visitors names and to make a rediculously over-hyped presentation of the home team.  It seems like that is one of the perks of getting the game at home.  I'm not a huge fan of that, but then again its not necessarily a big issue.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on October 24, 2005, 11:44:36 AM
My guess is that the Wash U administration pushed for a uniform starting lineup introduction rule for the conference games, and they were powerful enough to get the amendment passed into the UAA Basketball Code of Conduct.

I personally had no problem with the use of the song "Welcome to the Jungle" being used for the starting lineup at Brandeis men's home games, nor with the use of the "Right Now" song being used for the starting lineup at Brandeis women's basketball home games.

Of course, what it means is that I will probably shake hands with one of the fans of the opposing team out of respect before each UAA game as well.

I have no problem with this change either, that being said.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on October 25, 2005, 07:24:32 AM
In the best interests of all involved, I will not make any further public comment on any actions involving the Brandeis men's basketball or women's basketball teams involving events between now and November 18.  This also includes the scrimmages.  With the tough competition in the UAA, the teams should be given ample time to prepare without further distraction.  I request that fans of other UAA schools also refrain from any further public comment involving their scrimmages as well, in the best interest of their teams.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 26, 2005, 01:44:44 PM

I just want to know where and when the Endicott scrimmage is.  I don't really care if you comment on it.  I understand that its best for all.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on October 27, 2005, 06:21:16 PM
Hoopsfan--

I can't publicly post that information, as opposing coaches are reading this board, and would use my info to live-scout the scrimmages.  I would prefer that if you are on a coaching staff for one of Brandeis's opponents to wait for the video that Brandeis will send to you after the scrimmages are completed, and use the video for your game preparation.

If you can call or e-mail Coach Meehan at Brandeis, and convince him that you want to come as a fan and that you are not there to scout, I am sure that he will welcome you to the scrimmage and tell you himself when it is.  I'm not sure, Hoopsfan, if you are a student or a coach, and unless I am convinced that you won't use my reply to scout Brandeis, I am reluctant to share that info, as I have already heard from the Brandeis team and coaching staff about my just posting of the dates of the scrimmages-- hence my reluctance to make any further public comments. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 28, 2005, 09:47:39 AM

Wow.  I can't believe they are that uptight about scrimmages.  Most schools post them on their schedules.  I'm not a scout or really affiliated with any of their opponents.  I guess I can find out from EC when it is.  I wasn't aware it was that big of a deal.  I know someone from CSC will probably be there anyway, as they play both schools and EC is the big conference rival.  Unless there is something to hide (like a secret transfer)... yeah lets get the rumors started.

It's fine if you don't want to give it.  You can email me if you want, but I can just check with somebody else.  Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 28, 2005, 11:15:29 AM
Seriously.

Scrimmages are closed anyway, right? How much live scouting is actually done at scrimmages?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 28, 2005, 11:36:57 AM

Most schools in NE anyway, that I'm aware of allow spectators into scrimmages.  I guess they ocassionally will do some closed door sessions, but I've never had any problem showing up and checking out the action.  I've even seen a lot of schools with normally low attendance promote their scrimmages as a way to get people interested.  I have rarely seen overt scouting at scrimmages, but occassionally I'll recognize an assistant coach who sneaks in undercover.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 15, 2005, 07:01:41 PM
One of the Brandeis student newspapers, the Justice, has come out today (Nov. 15) with a preview on the men's basketball season, as well as an athlete profile on Florian Rexhepi '08 entitled "There is no 'I' in Rexhepi."

Both are available in the sports section of this week's Justice.

You can read the Justice at http://www.thejusticeonline.com
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 15, 2005, 07:18:04 PM
I think the newspaper may need a new proof-reader - there most certainly is an 'i' in Rexhepi! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 16, 2005, 12:13:42 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 15, 2005, 07:18:04 PM
I think the newspaper may need a new proof-reader - there most certainly is an 'i' in Rexhepi! ;D

I'm guessing that this is not an error, Chuck, but rather an example of the refined irony characteristic of young Brandeis wits.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2005, 12:18:30 AM
Greg,

Does that go with the guys who respond to "there's no I in team" with

"Yeah, but there is 'me' in team", or

"Yeah, but there is an 'I' in win"? ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 16, 2005, 01:23:35 AM
My favorite reply to that hackneyed "There's no 'i' in 'team'" cliche came at an NPU game a few years ago. A group of students from the opposing school started it up as a chant after their point guard had delivered a sweet pass to a teammate for an easy layup. The Carlson Crazies chanted in response, "There's two 'r's in 'irrelevant'! There's two 'r's in 'irrelevant'!" 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 16, 2005, 03:58:28 PM
GS:

It's most heartening to learn that there are some college students who don't spell that word with three -- count 'em, three -- e's. Or one r.  :P
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 17, 2005, 07:59:06 AM
I'm glad to see that a lot of people can find a good deal of humor in the student newspaper headlines these days. ;)

I see that Mark Simon has named the Brandeis men's team as a d3Hoops.com official men's "Super Sleeper" team.  The job now is to convince the other UAA men's basketball coaches of this.  Brandeis was picked to finish 6th in the pre-season UAA men's basketball poll!  Brandeis is a young team, but a predicted 6th place finish this year?

Just as Brandeis coach Brian Meehan said to the Brandeis student newspaper the Justice:  Brandeis will have to be more consistent on defense if the Judges are to have a shot to win the UAA.

Last year, Brandeis's scoring defense was 5th in the UAA at 71.4 ppg, the field goal pct. defense was 4th in the UAA at 43.6%, and the 3 pt. defense was 3rd in the UAA at 33.3%.  Brandeis was #1 in free throw shooting in the UAA last year at 74.9%.  The free throw shooting has to be consistent, and by the end of the first semester, I would like to see Brandeis with no more than 1 loss with the scoring, FG% defense, and 3 pt. defense significantly improved.  A win in the last first semester game at Colby-Sawyer will be a plus.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2005, 09:41:35 AM

That seems a bit rediculous.  Brandeis got nothing but better and I'm pretty sure most of the other contenders went backwards.  I'm glad that an unnamed coach agrees with me that they could be ready to go this year.  Those young guys are really talented; I doubt they have to wait to next year to make a huge leap.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WBRSsports on November 18, 2005, 03:44:25 PM
 After an offseason of waiting, the 2005-2006 season starts tonight.

If you can't get to the Brandeis games, you can catch all of the action live at www.wbrs.org the whole weekend and the rest of the year. We will also be broadcasting away games so check out our website for information on that. Send any feedback to sports@wbrs.org

I think the men's team is going to struggle this year at times with their youth and with the loss of Lambert...but with another year under all these young player's belts, it could be a very exciting and surprising season for the Brandeis men.

Also, check out the Brandeis' sports magazine, the Louis Lunatic for another preview of the men's and women's teams: http://louislunatic.blogspot.com/ (it's located in the top entry on the site)

Looking forward to an exciting season and go Judges!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on November 18, 2005, 11:44:03 PM
A new season has begun... and Case has won the opening game of the Case Alumni Association Tip-Off Tournament.

Case 78, Penn State-Altoona 72
http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/winter/mbasketball/stats/2005-06/06MBG_01.HTM

This was an important win for the Spartans for many reasons.  First, it was the first time they started the season with a win since 1997.  Second, it was their first comeback victory in a long time-- many times in the last few years, they've been outscored in the second half, but this time, they came back from 10 points down and took the lead for good with 3:00 to go.  And third, they won the first game of a tournament at home in its inaugural year.

Sophomore center Mason Conrad and senior forward Carson Oren led the Spartans with 17 and 16 points, respectively, and Tyler Franklin paced Altoona with 29 before fouling out.

And let me mention the fouls!  Case got whistled for 24 fouls, Altoona for 29, and three visitors fouled out in the last minute!

Case now plays Bethany tomorrow in the championship game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on November 20, 2005, 12:37:54 AM
Case did it again!  This time, they came back from 11 points down in the last 3:45 to beat Bethany, 74-73, and win the CAA Tip-Off Tournament.

After Funso Lafe hit a layup with 7 seconds left to cut the Bethany lead to 1, Case immediately fouled-- but the Bethany shooter missed both free throws.  Carson Oren took a jump shot after catching a long inbound pass but missed-- but Mason Conrad grabbed the rebound and made the put-back as time expired!

Oren ended up with 22 points and 14 rebounds, Conrad with 18 and 11, and Lafe with 14 points, while freshman forward Tyler Rodriguez added 10.  Oren was named the Tournament MVP with Conrad also making the team.

The Spartans' next game is Tuesday night at home vs. Wilmington of the OAC, immediately following the women's game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2005, 11:20:38 AM

Brandeis beat Newberry good then went down to Lasell.  Lasell seems to be somewhat reloaded, but its hard to tell exactly where they stand until more games are played.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WBRSsports on November 21, 2005, 04:54:33 PM
Brandeis men played a very sloppy game against Lasell and came away with a tough, tough loss. This is going to be one of the problems of having no Juniors or Seniors on a team, as the Judges got trapped by a trap game.

The one positive to come away for Brandeis is that, even when they were down 10 late in the second half to the Lasers, they continued to battle back and even took the lead off a huge 3 pointer from Steve Deluca with 14 seconds left to go.

Hopefully Brandeis uses this game as a learning experience and improves from here.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on November 28, 2005, 12:37:11 AM
Case completely shattered the school record for points in a game... because they cracked The System (TM) at Westminster tonight, in their third try.  The Spartans defeated Westminster, 135-120 (the previous high was 109 in a loss to the Titans last year).

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/winter/mbasketball/stats/2005-06/06MBG_04.HTM

Only seven players played more than ten minutes for Case, so they used a short rotation compared to the Titans.  All kinds of marks fell: Funso Lafe and Matt Cannan logged career highs of 39 and 34 points respectively.  Three Spartans recorded double-doubles: Carson Oren with 11 points and 12 rebounds, Cannan with 34 and 11, and Rich Mullen with 16 and 10.  Tyler Rodriguez added 16 points (a career high in his fourth game) and Mason Conrad scored 10.  A major factor in the Spartans' win was the fact that they outrebounded Westminster, 60-46.

After a first half that featured six ties and eight lead changes, Case used a 31-8 run in the second half to take control.  Westminster's 33 fouls didn't help their cause either, though Case was only 24/44 from the line.  As for 3-point shooting, Case was 3/4 (all Mullen), while Westminster was 21/62; last year, the Spartans didn't attempt a 3.

Case is now 3-1 for the first time in 15 years.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WBRSsports on November 30, 2005, 02:51:19 PM
Good win for the Brandeis men against Babson as they have now won two in a row. Steve DeLuca was huge for Brandeis: http://my.brandeis.edu/athletics/one-game?group_id=1385&item_id=473655

The officiating was horrible (one official called about 10 offensive fouls by himself...no hyperbole) but both teams played really tough on both ends and Brandeis came out in the end. Next up for Brandeis men is Tufts on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 30, 2005, 06:10:49 PM
I don't want to comment on the officiating in last night's Brandeis v. Babson game-- I'm just glad that the Judges won last night.

On the status of the Brandeis men's basketball team-- the progress has been slow, but I think that the team will improve and be competitive in the UAA come conference time.  Brandeis has been playing good defense, but not enough yet to be among the UAA leaders in that category.  Still, anytime that a men's basketball opponent can be held to under 70 points, I consider that to be a good defensive game.  The Judges have yet to figure out how to keep most of the non-conference opponents from shooting over 40%, but hopefully that will improve.  The Judges will also have to improve on free throw shooting.

Locally, I will look at the Brandeis v. Tufts box score, however--

2 other games to follow in the UAA this Saturday.

#1 is-- The start of UAA conference play as #12 Rochester hosts Carnegie Mellon.  The game will tip at 4 PM Eastern on Saturday and it will be webcast on WYSL 1040 AM in Rochester-- http://www.wysl1040.com.

This is a rematch from last year's UAA "title" game, and the two teams played close games against each other last year-- Carnegie Mellon won by 7 at Pittsburgh, and Rochester won by 5 at the Palestra in Rochester, NY.

The first battle will be to see if Rochester's defense can contain Carnegie Mellon's firepower on scoring offense.  The Tartans lead the league in scoring offense-- Rochester is currently at #2 in the UAA in scoring defense and #1 in the UAA in field goal percentage defense.  (NYU is currently leading the UAA in scoring defense.)   I assume that Rochester will pass that test with flying colors, so the second battle will be to see how effective Carnegie Mellon's defense will be in containing Rochester.  The Tartans will have to improve in that aspect if this game is to be close, as the Tartans seem to have concentrated more in the past few games on outscoring the opponent with their offense rather than shutting the opponent down on defense.   CMU's starting five, which is led by Clayton Barlow-Wilcox and Nate Maurer,  will have to play a key factor in picking up their defensive intensity on Saturday if the team is to be successful and keep this game close.  Otherwise, Rochester can easily do to Carnegie Mellon what the Yellowjackets did to top 25 opponent John Carroll last weekend.

#2-- Chicago takes the "Titan challenge" on Saturday, as the Maroons host #1 Illinois Wesleyan.  Livestats should be available on that game-- I'll post the link for the livestats later on in the week if no one else promotes that game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on December 01, 2005, 01:14:38 AM
Case topped the century mark for the second straight game in a 101-87 home win over Hiram, coach Sean McDonnell's former team.

Mason Conrad led the Spartans with 19 points, while Carson Oren and Matt Cannan each added 18, and Buck Bommer scored 10.  Both Conrad and Oren pulled down 10 rebounds, but the biggest development is that Carson Oren moved up to 6th place on the CWRU all-time scoring list with 1,314 points.  The school record of 1,456 is well within reach.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 01, 2005, 04:17:55 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on November 30, 2005, 06:10:49 PM#2-- Chicago takes the "Titan challenge" on Saturday, as the Maroons host #1 Illinois Wesleyan.  Livestats should be available on that game-- I'll post the link for the livestats later on in the week if no one else promotes that game.

I'll be at that game, and I'll try to remember to put in a word or two about it here. Based upon what I saw of Chicago tonight at Wheaton, and my past experiences seeing this edition of Illinois Wesleyan, I do not expect the result to be pretty ... at least from the perspective of the UAA homestanders.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 01, 2005, 09:57:10 AM
For anyone else who can't personally be in Chicago on Saturday--

The tip for Chicago v.  # 1 Illinois Wesleyan is at 3 PM Central/4 PM Eastern on Saturday.

The live stats will be available at:

http://www.geocities.com/ucsid/livestats/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on December 01, 2005, 01:42:09 PM
For University of Chicago, UAA or D3 fans in general, the Saturday contest at Univerisity of Chicago against unanimous D3HOOPS #1 IWU will be broadcast on WJBC2.COM which uses Quicktime Player to broadcast. Link:
http://www.wjbc2.com/

If you don't have Quciktime Player installed, you will want to download and install well ahead of the game.

Greg - I agree with you about Chicago's chances given their loss to Wheaton. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2005, 03:59:49 PM
Pregame warmups have started for #12 Rochester (5-1) v. Carnegie Mellon (5-0) from the Palestra in Rochester, NY.

This is the first UAA men's basketball conference game of the season.

Carnegie Mellon is coming in with their best season ever at 5-0.  The Tartans are led by UAA All-conference players Clayton Barlow-Wilcox and Nate Maurer.  Carnegie Mellon has the UAA's top scoring offense at 92.3 ppg, but the Tartans have not yet played a team the caliber of either Wittenberg or John Carroll this season. 

This is a rematch of last year's UAA "title game" with each team winning on their home floor last season-- CMU won by 7 last year in Pittsburgh, and Rochester won by 5 in the rematch last year at the Palestra.

Listen to the game at http://www.wysl1040.com
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2005, 04:22:51 PM
16:01 to play in the first half--

Carnegie Mellon 11, Rochester 2
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2005, 04:24:33 PM
Big call early in the game--

Clayton Barlow-Wilcox has just picked up his 2nd foul early and will have to sit out the rest of the half.  The foul came with about 15:40 left to play in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2005, 04:26:35 PM
14:08 to play in the first half--

Carnegie Mellon 11, Rochester 7
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2005, 04:35:37 PM
9:51 to play in the first half--

Rochester 19, Carnegie Mellon 13
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2005, 04:58:16 PM
Halftime from the Palestra in Rochester, NY--

Rochester 39, Carnegie Mellon 26


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2005, 05:23:47 PM
13:37 to play in regulation--

Rochester 51, Carnegie Mellon 47
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2005, 05:41:13 PM
4:59 to play in regulation--

Rochester 63, Carnegie Mellon 59

Carnegie Mellon has managed to cut Rochester's lead to four points three times in the second half, but has not gotten any closer so far.

Mike Goia has 26 points for Rochester
Nate Maurer has 28 pts. for Carnegie Mellon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2005, 05:46:47 PM
About 3 min. left to play

Rochester 67, Carnegie Mellon 64

A 3 ptr. by Nate Maurer has cut Rochester's lead to 3.  This is the closest that the Tartans have come so far.

Nate Maurer now has 33 pts. for Carnegie Mellon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2005, 05:48:32 PM
1:50 left to play in regulation

Rochester 68, Carnegie Mellon 67

Another Maurer "3" cuts Rochester's lead to 1
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2005, 05:49:52 PM
1:18 left to play in regulation.

Rochester 68, Carnegie Mellon 67

Listen to the finish on http://www.wysl1040.com

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2005, 05:53:39 PM
46.7 seconds left to play in regulation

Rochester 71, Carnegie Mellon 70

Nate Maurer now has 39 points for Carnegie Mellon-- 29 points in the second half alone.  Maurer has hit 7 "3's" for the game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2005, 05:55:28 PM
11.9 seconds left in regulation

Rochester 71, Carnegie Mellon 70

Carnegie Mellon has the ball with a chance to steal this one at the Palestra.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2005, 06:00:25 PM
Final score from the Palestra in Rochester, NY

Carnegie Mellon 72, #12 Rochester 71

Nate Maurer hits the winning shot for the Tartans to pull off the upset, and Carnegie Mellon takes the 1/2 game lead in the UAA going into January.

Nate Maurer finishes with 41 points for Carnegie Mellon.

First win for Carnegie Mellon at the Palestra since 1996.

Carnegie Mellon goes to 6-0, 1-0 in the UAA.

Thanks to WYSL 1040AM in Rochester, NY-- http://www.wysl1040.com for their coverage of this one.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: PowerBall on December 04, 2005, 01:51:38 PM
The Tartans are hitting the hardwood with more determination than they showed last year.  Yesterday's win against UR was not a fluke and the season will surpass last years accomplishments.  The team has added depth with a strong frosh class that is pushing the upperclassmen to play at a high level.  The experience gained last year has motivated this program to play on all cylinders for 2 halves. 

Also, the new CMU AD comes to the school with a strong competitve winning conviction that is migrating through the coaching staffs.

Go Tartans!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2005, 02:54:52 AM
Well, I'm turned around now on Chicago. After a thoroughly lackluster performance in their loss at Wheaton last Wednesday, the Maroons looked really solid in their narrow four-point loss to #1 Illinois Wesleyan in the Ratner Center Saturday afternoon. The main difference was outside shooting; on Wednesday the Maroons couldn't throw a ball into Lake Michigan if they were standing at the tour boat dock on Navy Pier. On Saturday guards Brandon Woodhead and Jesse Meyer knocked down five of the first six treys that they launched, thus forcing the Titans to work harder on the perimeter all afternoon. Inside, the Maroons got a number of baskets by faking their green-clad counterparts off of their feet; the Maroons' big men aren't terribly athletic, but they are smart and well-coached.

The two things Chicago really seems to be lacking are a player who can drive to the basket, and certain finishes from the players besides Clay Carmody who do get to the rim. Coach Mike McGrath may have found the solution to both problems in 6'4" sophomore Matt Corning, who plays full-tilt for however long he's in the game and really looks like a comer for the Maroons.

I have no idea how Chicago's going to perform in the UAA this season, but after that narrow loss to the top-ranked team in the nation I'm sure that they now have everyone in the UAA's attention.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2005, 10:54:16 AM

So are you saying that the UAA just might be competitive after all?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2005, 05:02:13 PM
I always thought that it would be, Hoops Fan.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 05, 2005, 05:46:47 PM

I was referring to being competitive with the rest of d3, but either way, point taken.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on December 07, 2005, 08:49:30 AM
I saw Wash U's 68-50 win last night @ Blackburn College (SLIAC).  This was a complete mismatch -- in fact, Wash U held Blackburn scoreless from the 15:00 mark in the 1st half to 4:00...the Beavers seemed to be stuck on 8 forever.  Wash U was just bigger and better at almost every position on the floor at all times.

The Bears start:

G Neal Griffin (5-10/145, Jr)
G Scott Stone (6-1/155, Sr)
F Tyler Nading (6-6/195, Fr)
F Troy Ruths (6-6/225, So)
C Mike Grunst (7-0/225, Sr)


Stone is a very good 3-point shooter, Ruths is a solid big man around the basket, and 7-footer Grunst is always a big factor on both ends...he has 16 blocks already this season.  Grunst isn't a great finisher around the basket when guarded well, but you can't let him catch it where he wants to down there.  For that reason, he requires a lot of defensive attention and that helps open things up for the other main scorers.  Freshman Tyler Nading is going to be a solid UAA player, as is freshman backup point-guard Sean Wallis.

Having seen both Chicago and Wash U in the last 4 days, I'm pretty sure that Wash U is the better team - they're more balanced than Chicago.  The Bears just seem to have more weapons.

Wash U. hosts #1 Illinois Wesleyan Saturday.  Based on how well Chicago played IWU, this one could be interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: radiomike on December 07, 2005, 02:15:46 PM
Just a reminder, Tonght, December 7th, at 7PM EST,  Hobart and Rochester square off at Bristol Gym. You can hear it live at www.weos.org or on WEOS, Geneva, at 89.7FM in the Finger Lakes, or 88.1FM in Ithaca. The game is also being broadcast on WYSL AM in 1040 in Rochester www.wysl1040.com. The game is being tape delayed for TV on UPN in Rochester on Sunday Night at 8PM.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WBRSsports on December 10, 2005, 02:08:08 AM
Brandeis men's team looks to respond tomorrow at Framingham State...

You can listen to the broadcast of the game live on www.wbrs.org
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 10, 2005, 10:11:02 AM
WBRS Sports--

I didn't know that you were planning to cover the game a few days ago at UMass-Dartmouth.    I also didn't realize that there was going to be a relatively big crowd at that game.  (At Brandeis, 650 people is a near full house the way that the Auerbach Arena is set up for spectator seating, and yes, I know that it is not really considered a full house compared to the crowds for Calvin/Hope or for the CCIW men's basketball games)  Had I known about the coverage, I would have asked for a ride down to the Fall River, MA area, or I would have listened to the webcast.  (The public transportation would have been too expensive as MBTA commuter rail does not serve the Fall River/North Dartmouth, MA area)  It looks like UMass-Dartmouth could contend for the Little East title the way the Corsairs played on Thursday.

Hopefully Brandeis will defeat Framingham State today and finish off the semester with a positive note at Colby-Sawyer on Tuesday.   
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on December 11, 2005, 03:27:09 PM
Well, Case enters the break at 6-1, following an 86-66 win over Grove City of the PAC.  In the game, the Spartans made 17 three-pointers, including 6 by Rich Mullen, who scored a career-high 22 points, and a half-court shot at the halftime buzzer by Carson Oren, who also scored 22.

Case has now already won more games this year than either of the last two seasons, and the start is the school's best since 1984-85.  They play again on the 29th and 30th when they host the Bill Sudeck Memorial Tournament.  Their best win so far is probably Bethany (who beat a top-tier D2 team), and I don't know how the teams they've played so far compare to the rest of the UAA, but there is a definite improvement from the last couple of seasons, as the players and Coach McDonnell are now more experienced.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WBRSsports on December 12, 2005, 05:21:21 PM
For all who are interested, our men's and women's broadcast schedule (for Brandeis basketball) is posted here: http://my.brandeis.edu/athletics/team_doc?group_id=1385&file_id=3599

It may change slightly, but these, right now, are the games we're planning to cover
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on December 12, 2005, 09:16:31 PM
Well im glad to see that Case and Brandeis are getting a lot of coverage on this message board. I was going to throw out my thoughts on the up coming UAA conference schedule. It looks record wise that the UAA is going to be very competitive this year. Every weekend is going to be a real dog fight. CMU as shown that it is the real deal this year after knocking off Rochester. The Brandeis/NYU weekend should show how good all three teams are. I would love nothing more than to see CMU 3-0 after that weekend with a good grip on the conference
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: cmubobcat on December 28, 2005, 12:53:21 PM
Listen up!

CMU vs. Princeton
7:30 tonight on WRCT 88.3 FM Pittsburgh
listen online at www.wrct.org

Tune in as the #22 Tartans bid to pull of the second D-3 over D-1 upset this week.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 28, 2005, 04:12:17 PM
Excellent.

I hope the WRCT crew is not fooled by the erroneous Princeton media notes for the game. There is no NABC poll for Division III basketball. The poll on the NABC site is actually our poll, the NABC has just been slow to update it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 28, 2005, 07:18:23 PM
There are plenty of ways to follow the Carnegie Mellon v. Princeton game tonight.

I am currently listening to Princeton's live audio feed, which is currently doing business talk radio right now, as the pre-game has not yet started.

In addition, you can listen to Carnegie Mellon's live audio feed, or you can also check the live stats of the game while it is in progress via Gametracker.   The Gametracker link can be found at http://www.goprincetontigers.com

The last time that I recall an Ivy League team losing to a DIII men's basketball team was during the 1991-92 season, when Babson (then coached by Serge DeBari) defeated Harvard by a score of 100-80, and I attended that one.  Babson ended up being ranked in the top ten of DIII men's basketball that year and made the NCAA tournament, but did not advance past the second round.

And the pregame has now started on Princeton's audio feed...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 28, 2005, 07:44:38 PM
At the first media timeout-- 15:39 left in first half

Princeton 8, Carnegie Mellon 4
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 28, 2005, 07:55:23 PM
At the second media timeout-- 10:54 left in first half

Carnegie Mellon 16, Princeton 13

Nate Maurer has not yet checked in for Carnegie Mellon, but the Tartans look to be dictating the tempo of this game right now.  For the moment, Princeton is in trouble....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 28, 2005, 08:03:59 PM
At the third media timeout-- 6:21 left in first half

Carnegie Mellon 18, Princeton 16
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on December 28, 2005, 08:10:16 PM
cmu 26-22 with under 4
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 28, 2005, 08:15:04 PM
Thanks for the post.

An amazing shot from Straub from 35 feet a few minutes earlier-- Princeton has turned the ball over 9 times in the first half, while CMU has just turned the ball over for the 4th time.

The way that the game has been playing, Carnegie Mellon has a decent shot to pull off this upset.

Look for the score at halftime.  Princeton is 2-0 when leading at the half this season, but is 0-7 when trailing at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 28, 2005, 08:20:45 PM
Those are the same audio links we have on the front page. I don't see any actual gametracker coverage of this game on Princeton's site.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on December 28, 2005, 08:24:42 PM
Yeah,

The StatTracker Link is up but it isnt working.

CMU is down 3 at the half, 32-29, with I believe 0 points from their leading scoring, Maurer, who didnt start due to an "internal matter."  It will be interesting to see if he can get on track in the second half.  If you remember back to the Rochester game, CMU was down 13 at the half and Maurer had 31 in the second half to pull them back for the win.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on December 28, 2005, 08:54:42 PM
Carnegie Mellon now up 7, 42-35, at the under 12 minute timeout.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on December 28, 2005, 09:14:57 PM
Carnegie Mellon 46-42 at the under 4 minute timeout.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2005, 09:17:25 PM
We see the occasional debate about great defensive games.  Princeton frequently leads D1 in fewest points allowed.

However, the broadcast team for the CMU-Princeton commented that Princeton will hold the ball for 4 seconds before passing, and that 25 of their first 29 possessions showed Princeton not shooting the first shot in the possession until there was less than 10 seconds on the shot clock.

46-all;  2:38 left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2005, 09:25:37 PM
Tartans by 2 with 24.2 secs remaining.

There have been too many missed FT's by both teams.  Both teams will be replaying this one!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2005, 09:28:12 PM
Tartans make the layup.  CMU 50-46. 0:10.

Princeton travels.

CMU at the line...6.1 left.

CMU 51-46. Final!

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 28, 2005, 09:28:35 PM
Congratulations to Carnegie Mellon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on December 28, 2005, 09:30:42 PM
Sweet.

Great job, CMU!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on December 28, 2005, 09:34:45 PM
Nice job, Tartans.

Take THAT, Princeton!

- D3 alum + Penn student
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2005, 10:01:51 PM
I want to give Pat Coleman a karma point for his contribution to the CMU victory tonight.  :D :D :D

He sacrificed access to D3hoops.com by virtue of the server upgrade.  This allowed the Tartans the "stealth" necessary to "sneak up" on a D1 opponent.  Had the entire cyberworld been focusing on this web site, it might not have occurred!   ;) ;)

We all know that if it isn't on D3Hoops.com, it probably didn't happen...You know,  the tree falls in the forest thing!   :D :D :D

Otherwise, a few in the intelligentsia with secret logins and passwords were able to chronicle the event for posterity!  ::) ::) ;D :D

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on December 28, 2005, 10:53:05 PM
Congratulations to Carnige Mellon on the big win.

And congratulations to Ralph for breaking his own personal record for smilies in a single post.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2005, 01:02:05 AM
Oh David, if you're gonna "step on Superman's cape", there had better be lots of smiles!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 29, 2005, 01:08:56 AM
Hah ... unfortunately the server upgrade had to happen sometime. Glad to support the cause. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on December 30, 2005, 08:44:31 AM
CMU played really well and deserve all the praise in the world for their huge win. I was at the game and you could see CMU's confedence grow as the game went on. The slow pace of the game didnt seem to bother the team much but it was obvious that CMU was trying to push the tempo without much luck. Great win for the program.

On another note. Priceton's program is a mess. The players dont seem to respond to the coaching staff and just dont seem like they want to be there. Its too bad to see a program so rich in tradition in such a sorry state.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: captj on December 30, 2005, 12:33:46 PM
Congratulations to the Tartans on their win over Princeton.  CMU fans must be delirious this season, and appropriately so.  It looks like a season and team to remember; full of senior leadership and lots of great basketball.  I'm looking forward to seeing the Tartans when they come to Newport News to play the Captains of CNU.  It wasn't too long ago that we enjoyed the level of success that you are experiencing today (and hopefully we'll do so again soon).  I hope we give your guys all they can handle!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: PowerBall on December 30, 2005, 01:54:12 PM
CMU is getting their fair share of accolades but the true test is ahead of them as winning conference is what its all about to move to the next level. 

After a game against Bluffton they travel to the northeast to begin an arduous road games against a much improved Brandies and an always combative NYU team.  Next weekend will set the tone for the Tartans season to see if they can weather the challenges.

Consistent play and continuous improvement by the team will keep the Tartans at the head of UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 02, 2006, 07:30:53 PM
Does anyone (maybe an NYU fan) know what happened to Jimmy Janeczek of NYU?  I thought he was a junior last year but he doesn't appear to be on their roster this year.  Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 02, 2006, 10:12:24 PM
Unfortunately, it looks like Carnegie Mellon will not be going into UAA play with an undefeated record, as they suffered their first loss of the season tonight.

According to the CMU men's basketball schedule and results score page, Bluffton of the Heartland Conference was able to do what Princeton could not do-- defeat the Tartans.

The final score tonight was Bluffton 96, Carnegie Mellon 83.

Box score and stats will hopefully follow sometime tonight or tomorrow-- they have not yet been posted on either school's website.

Bluffton moves to 10-1 on the season with a 4-0 in-region Midwest record.  Bluffton's only loss of the season was a 1 point loss to non DIII opponent Concordia (Mich.) on Nov. 29.

Carnegie Mellon drops to 10-1 on the season-- the Tartans next come to Auerbach Arena in Waltham, MA to resume UAA play against Brandeis on Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 02, 2006, 10:25:40 PM
Here's a link for the CMU box score: BU/CMU (http://www.bluffton.edu/sports/mensbasketball/2006/1-02-06.htm).  (In the box score, CMELM = "Carnegie Mellon Men".)

Briefly -- Barlow-Wilcox had a great game (27, 12/18 from the field), Straub had 15 (5/8 from outside the arc), and Maurer had 19 despite being hampered by foul trouble.  The Tartans put on some strong runs, but the Beavers were able to respond each time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 02, 2006, 10:38:50 PM
If you look at the stats, the thing that jumps out at you are the FTs, fouls, and turnovers.  Bluffton attempted 33 FTs to CMUs 12. CMU was also called for nearly twice as many fouls as Bluffton (26-14).  Makes you think that some Bluffton's 16 steals may have been off no calls.  It is tough when you lose a game shootong 54% from the field and outrebounding your opponent.  Bluffton seemed to play a pretty solid game shooting well from the outside but those fouls and FTs are tough to overcome.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: PowerBall on January 02, 2006, 10:56:22 PM
In reviewing Bluffton's info they've outshot their opponrnt +100 times from the free throw line.  They must have great penetrating guards or have a great ref program in the Heartland conference?

CMU guards never went to the FT line.  Are we not driving the ball or did we not get any calls? 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 02, 2006, 11:02:00 PM
Bluffton also starts 4 players 6'2" or shorter.  Although the 26-5 second half free throw disparity was partly due in part to 8 of those being in the last 2.5 minutes, when CMU was fouling to try to get back in it, the foul shot difference was still pretty bad at 18-5 for the rest of the half.  I guess sometimes you just have those games.  I don't think CMU should worry too much though, I am sure they will rebound in conference play this Friday at Brandeis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on January 03, 2006, 07:45:48 AM
I was at the CMU-Bluffton game last night. The foul differental was partly the cause of the CMU loss but the real factor was the hot shooting of Bluffton and that CMU just did not show up. Theres really nothing else that can be said. Hopefully this loss snaps the Tartans back to reality for the upcoming UAA schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: emory_eagle on January 03, 2006, 09:33:51 PM
This is a little late but perusing one of my other favorite college basketball websites, I saw this video clip from the Carnegie Mellon-Princeton game.

http://www.midmajority.com/blog.php?entry=500

You'll need Quicktime to view it and good eyes because it's really small.  All you UAAers and DIII fans enjoy!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 03, 2006, 09:56:06 PM
Nice find.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 04, 2006, 08:59:54 AM

Brandeis took out Curry last night... not a huge win right now, but I think it may turn out to be a 14 pointer for them come the end of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on January 04, 2006, 11:48:37 AM
emory_eagle

thanks for finding that clip. i know alot of people who have been looking for something like that.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 05, 2006, 08:33:18 PM
UAA Men's action

Weekend of Jan. 6-8, 2006

All rankings are the D3Hoops.com rankings.

Friday, Jan. 6, 2006

All tips approx. 8 PM Eastern

1.)  (#18) Rochester at NYU

Internet audio:

Rochester feed-- http://www.wysl1040.com
NYU feed-- http://www.wnyu.org

2.)  (#19) Carnegie Mellon at Brandeis

Internet audio:  None planned.  WBRS is not scheduled to do this weekend's games.  However, Mark Simon has expressed interest in coming to Brandeis on Friday and checking out this game, so please update if D3HoopsNet or anyone else is going to cover this game.

Saturday, Jan. 7, 2006

Tip at approx. 3 PM Central/4 PM Eastern

Chicago at (ORV-- 7 pts.) Wash U.

Internet audio:  None planned.  KWUR is not scheduled to do this game.

Sunday, Jan. 8, 2006

All tip times 1 PM Eastern.

1.)  (#18) Rochester at Brandeis

Internet audio:  http://www.wysl1040.com

2.)  (#19) Carnegie Mellon at NYU

Internet audio: http://www.wnyu.org

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 05, 2006, 09:03:11 PM
INTERNET COVERAGE UPDATE

D3HoopsNet to cover Carnegie Mellon at Brandeis UAA doubleheader this Friday, Jan. 6, 2006.

Mark Simon will have the call on D3HoopsNet

Check out http://www.d3hoops.com/audio for further details on how to access the webcast.

Women will tip at 6 PM Eastern, men at 8 PM Eastern.

Information courtesy of Brandeis Athletics.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2006, 09:06:34 AM

A lot gets explained tonight about the UAA situation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bamm on January 06, 2006, 09:48:19 AM
Just saw Rochester play on Tuesday.  Even with the loss of Hauben, they remain a tough, physical squad.  Unless you can matchup with them physically my guess is you will struggle.  I wish I was in town for the CMU/UR game. 

Onyurika is a beast and the other forward they start, a sophomore (Ndubizu), has talent.  Their guards hit open shots and play solid defense.  Pretty standard Neer team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 06, 2006, 01:08:16 PM
Speaking of the CMU/UR game, after the first half I thought it was going to be just like every other game that the two teams have played at Rochester.  UR was up by 13 and had held the CMU offense to under 30 points, they looked like they were going to coast to a victory and CMU might make a late push to make the score look decent.  It took an incredible individual effort from Maurer to change that tide and win the game for CMU. Rochester is a very solid team and as it seems every year they have no big weaknesses.  I look for them to give NYU their first loss tonight, although NYU has a couple of really solid players as well and they are usually tough to beat at home.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 07, 2006, 01:34:13 AM
The Rocehster/NYU game suprised me alot but it sets up a great matchup for Sunday.

I was lucky enough to attend the CMU/Brandeis game and watch CMU just manhandle the Judges.  Carnegie was up by as much as 32 with 5 minutes to play but played 4 freshman and a sophomore over the last 5 minutes so the final margin was closer than the game actually was.  Brandeis showed some flashes in the first half but they had few answers over the final 30 minutes for a very balanced CMU attack.  It seems like CMU can have one of any number of guys who can step up for them on any given night.  They shot 66% for the game from the floor including a 75% second half. Overall solid game.

This sets up a great game for Sunday in New York.  NYU could show that the are a real contender in the conference with a win or CMU could take an early hold on the race to their first UAA title.  It will be interesting to see how Clayton Barlow-Wilcox plays with a broken thumb (that happened in the Bluffton game).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 07, 2006, 06:40:04 AM
Hugenerd--

I guess that the CMU supporters are going to make a running gag throughout the entire basketball season by calling every UAA men's basketball player that wears the number #10 "Jeff Juron". for the whole game.  (Juron wears the #10 for Rochester). I know that I heard the Barlow-Wilcox family call Florian Rexhepi of Brandeis "Jeff Juron" for the entire game last night.

I wonder what Jeff Juron did to deserve this?

Also, at the 11 minute mark of the first half, when Brandeis was leading 24-18, and Coach Wingen called timeout and really put his foot down, he was calling out strategy so loud that I wish that the music had not been turned on at that point.  I really wanted to hear what he had to say.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 07, 2006, 08:50:46 AM
Deis-

I think the comments had something to do with the airballs that Rexhepi had, although I am not positive because I wasn't sitting right next to that group of people.  And Coach Wingen does get heated sometimes, especially when his team comes out completely flat.  At least they responded...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 07, 2006, 10:59:49 AM
If the reference was to Jeff Juron's taking bad airball shots during the CMU at Rochester game last month-- I'm sorry, but I have not seen video footage of that game-- I only listened to JC DeLass's call of the game on the internet back then.

Sometimes, even the best of players make mistakes....

And yes, CMU really stepped it up after the first 10 minutes of the game last night.  If the Tartans keep up that intensity on the up-tempo game, they will be hard for any team to beat the rest of the way....

I have to hold off and rest today for tomorrow's game against Rochester.-- I will probably comment further on this weekend's action on Monday. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 07, 2006, 11:37:23 AM
I saw NYU beat Rochester last night, 68-50. NYU was up by two at the break, but they thoroughly dominated the second half and won easily. NYU shot the ball well and played solid defense. Jared Kildare broke down the Yellowjackets' defense all night long. Jason Boone was tough down low and did a good job defensively on Jon Onyiriuka. Matt Basford shot the ball well. Daniel Falcon and Mike DeCorso were both aggressive defensively and hit some shots as well.

Needless to say, Rochester did not look like a top 25 team last night. They had no guard who could penetrate and were very slow overall. Their big men played decently, but their outside shooting was poor. The Yellowjackets looked much better last year with Hauben (one of the best big men in the country) and Perez (an aggressive guard who could penetrate and create).

NYU is better than they've been in quite some time, but I'm not completely convinced yet. We'll know more after the Carnegie Mellon game on Sunday. They are disciplined, physical and can shoot, but I see a lack of athleticism and a lack of depth as possible problems for the Violets.


hugenerd: Coach Nesci asked Janeczek to leave the team shortly after the season ended last year.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on January 07, 2006, 12:58:01 PM
I posted this on the frontpage blog...

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Keep on eye on Chicago @ Wash U men's game this afternoon.  I think Wash U is being a bit overlooked in discussions of the UAA race - a race that appears very interesting with CMU and Rochester getting the most pub to date, and now 11-0 NYU opening some eyes with a win over Rochester.

The 8-3 Wash U Bears are a pretty solid basketball team, but I do see they've played their last two games without their best player, 6-6 Troy Ruths (18.1 ppg, 6.4 rpg) - wins over SLIAC teams Fontbonne (104-69) and Maryville (84-59).  Not sure what Ruth's status is.  Wash U played NAIA I #5 Robert Morris-Chicago to 3 pts on opening weekend, and 15-1 RMC may be more talented than any other NCAA Division III or NAIA 1 or 2 team.  Wash U was blown out of their own gym by Illinois Wesleyan, but that was a game where IWU was just outstanding.

Chicago is a gritty, tough well-coached team that plays good defense.  They have a solid inside presence and a couple streaky 3-pt shooters.  They're capable of playing with anyone, as evidenced by playing IWU to a 4 point game at Chicago.

Games between Wash U. and Chicago usually seem to be won by the home team - worth keeping an eye on this one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on January 07, 2006, 03:11:15 PM
Case (9-3, 1-0) snapped a 12-game UAA losing streak by beating Emory (7-5, 0-1) on the road this afternoon.  The Spartans built a 13 point lead at halftime and hung on to win, 76-68.  With the win, coach Sean McDonnell's Spartans have already won as many games this year as they did the last two years combined.

Carson Oren led all scorers with 19 points and now has 1,426 for his career.  He trails only John Link '03 (1,446) and Ken Jackson '82 (1,456) on the CWRU all-time scoring list.  Since I'll be in Cleveland to watch the Spartans take on Chicago and Wash U next weekend, I may see him break the record.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 07, 2006, 04:36:35 PM
Score update

Halftime at Wash U Field House in St. Louis

Wash U 28, Chicago 21

Wash U's Scott Stone scored 10 points in the first half.

Update courtesy of http://bearsports.wustl.edu
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 07, 2006, 05:32:28 PM
Thanks for the info Titan.  It will be an interesting game.  I think the keys in last years games were Clayton Barlow-Wilcox's play on Boone at NYU and Nate Maurer's shooting at CMU, CMU winning both games.  It will be interesting to see if CBW can handle Boone again with his broken thumb and if the rest of the guys come to play as well.  This is another contrast of style game, CMU looked like they were going to score 120 at one point last night until they pulled their starters in contrast to NYU who seems to want slow things down and pack it inside, going by what I saw last year and their stats this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 07, 2006, 05:39:52 PM
I guess that I did not keep my eye on the Wash U/Chicago game as much as I should have.   :-[

The game ended up tied in regulation, and there is now 31 seconds left in overtime.

Wash U is leading Chicago by a score of 69 to 65.

Info courtesy of http://bearsports.wustl.edu
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 07, 2006, 05:49:54 PM
Final score from St. Louis

Wash U 74, Chicago 68  (OT).

Box score and release will follow shortly on http://bearsports.wustl.edu

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 07, 2006, 05:58:38 PM
More on the Wash U/Chicago game

The game ended up tied at 63 at the end of regulation.

Wash U won by shooting 9 of 10 from the free throw line in the overtime period, while Chicago hit 2 of 13 from the field in the overtime and only scored 1 point at the free throw line in the overtime period.

Wash U hit 1 of 3 from the field in the overtime period.

Box score and play by play now available at http://bearsports.wustl.edu

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 01:38:43 PM
Halftime in NYC:

Carnegie Mellon 37
NYU 32

WNYU kids are doing a nice job on the broadcast.  The link is on the Daily Dose.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on January 08, 2006, 01:41:19 PM
CMU is up at the half by 5 but are in some foul trouble. There inside players all have 2 or the fouls. Barlow-Wilcox is having his way against Boone on the inside.

The guys calling the game are doing a great job for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2006, 01:44:28 PM
Halftime at Auerbach Arena

Rochester 22, Brandeis 18

Game is on at http://www.wysl1040.com

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 01:48:57 PM
Deiscanton:

Thanks. 

By the way, do you have a voice left by the end of these games? :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2006, 02:25:01 PM
Thanks, for the updates!  Keep 'em coming!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 02:39:08 PM
NYU by one with the ball, 42 seconds.

The Violets run shot clock down but miss three pointer and then commit a foul going for the rebound.

Mauer to the Freethrow line with a chance to tie or take the lead.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 02:39:44 PM
First one...no good.

Second one coming.  Mauer needs this one to tie...and he gets it.

10.4 left...72 all.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 02:40:40 PM
NYU calls timeout with 3.4 seconds left.

Boone has a new career high with 25.  Kildair (senior guard) is also playing well.  Lots of guys have four fouls so OT would be interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2006, 02:40:48 PM
Final from Auerbach--

Rochester 48, Brandeis 47

Gordon, it is not easy, but I get it done.

Brandeis did not lose-- the time just ran out....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 02:42:21 PM
Decorso inbounds to Clark, back to DeCorso who gets off a three....but it's too long.

Going to OT.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 02:45:59 PM
Wilcox opens the OT session with an acrobatic tip in, gets fouled and converts.

Boone on the other end gets fouled and hits one of two.

CMU up by 2.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2006, 02:47:26 PM
Keep 'em coming!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 02:50:01 PM
Teams now trading missed opportunities.

NYU misses 3.  CMU's Wilcox hits one of two to extend the lead to 3.

NYU misses again.  CMU commits an offensive foul.

NYU misses again and commits a foul.  Wilcox hits one of two.

CMU 77 NYU 73
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on January 08, 2006, 02:51:37 PM
CMU and NYU heading to overtime.
NYU misses shot at the buzzer to win.
Nate Mauer missed free throw to put CMU up with 10.4 sec to play.
Foul trouble for both teams.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 02:53:20 PM
NYU needs a bucket with just one point in OT.

Matt Bassford provides it with a 3 as shot clock winds down.  CMU calls a full time out and then Johnson hits a jumper. NYU full time out.

CMU 79 NYU 76.  Not sure on time.

Lots of guys in foul trouble -- Boone and DeCorso (NYU), Gonzalez and Wilcox (CMU) all have four. 

Man, the NYU band is fantastic (which I already knew).  The Cole Center has a great atmosphere.  A band that can play just about everything.  A talented jazz band.  Good fans.  Neat set up as you're basically underground.

If you ever can see the Violets play CMU, Wash U or Rochester, it's worth it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 02:54:46 PM
Band has now played reasonable renditions of Crazy Train (Ozzy Osbourne), a jazz standard and the song from Pulp Fiction that's been sampled by the Black Eyed Peas.  Now that's range.

NYU comes out of TO down three.  Boone tries to hit DeCorso but it goes out of bounds. 

CMU with the ball and a three point lead.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 02:55:52 PM
Mauer hoists a three which rolls out, Wilcox commits a foul on the offensive rebound.  He has fouled out, despite a gritty effort with 17 points including 5 to start OT...and all with a cast.

Jason Boone to the FT.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 02:56:35 PM
Boone misses both (oof) and CMU rebounds, up 3 with the ball.

Tartans call a timeout with 45.8 left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 02:58:44 PM
Violets shooting 50% at the line.

CMU inbounds, Johnson loses it, Kildair lays it up.

CMU 79 NYU 78 about 40 tix left.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 02:59:44 PM
CMU misses...Gonzalez misses tip...Kale Clark ties up CMU player with ball.

Possession arrow gives it to Violets.

NYU dribbles to bench and calls a full timeout with 11.5 left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 03:02:11 PM
NYU inbounds, Kildair with ball, feeds Clark who is fouled by Johnson going up.  Johnson is gone, too.

NYU will have a chance to take the lead if Clark can convert...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 03:02:52 PM
...which he'll have to do after this TO. :)

Clark shooting 44% from the free throw line.  0-2 for today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 03:03:42 PM
Clark...hits the first.  79-79.

Clark...misses the second...O'Rourke (CMU) rebounds calls TO with 3 secs left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2006, 03:05:06 PM
The suspense is incredible.  My poll is awaiting this outcome.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 03:07:17 PM
Mauer's jumper off the TO is no good.

Off to 2OT at 79-79.

CMU now missing two of top players in Gonzalez and Wilcox.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 03:09:01 PM
Oops...Gonzalez didn't foul out.  Someone else did.

CMU wins tip, misses two shots, gets two boards and Mauer converts.  He's now 5-20.

CMU 81 NYU 79...4:30 2 OT

NYU comes down, misses shot and Jason Boone commits a foul trying to grab the board.  He has fouled out, first Violet to wilt with his fifth.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 03:11:18 PM
McGee replaces Boone.

Mauer, who was fouled by Boone, hits 1 of 2.  Clark rebounds for NYU.

82-79 CMU

DeCorso drives in, hits a leaner and is fouled by Dunne.  He hits the FT and we're tied at 82.

Spelling is probably wrong all over the place btw. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 03:13:07 PM
CMU turns it over, NYU ball.

Clark hits the jumper over Gonzalez. 

NYU 84 CMU 82 -- Unsure of time in 2OT

Mauer's inbound is stolen by Clark, NYU misses an opportunity to push lead to two possesions as DeCorso can't save it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on January 08, 2006, 03:15:23 PM
Thanks for the updates, Gordon.  I'm eagerly awaiting how this one turns out.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 03:15:33 PM
CMU's Dunne travels near the foul line, another Tartan turnover.

DeCorso goes to the lane for the shot, Mauer swats it out.  NYU ball.  DeCorso drives again and is fouled by Matta.

DeCorso misses the first...hits the second for a new career high at 21.

NYU up three, under two minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 03:17:08 PM
CMU comes down the floor, misses the shot.  DeCorso rebounds and fires it ahead.

Clark goes up for the layup...and Mauer skies in to block it.

Ball goes up ahead to Kozak who hits an open 3.  Timeout NYU.

NYU 85 CMU 85 -- 1:28 in 2 OT

Band plays Smoke on the Water.  Color guy says he'd enjoy another OT.

Is this how people get so many posts?  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 03:18:34 PM
NYU ball.

Violets Mike McGree commits an illegal screen.  Turns it over.

By the way, I started recording late in the fourth, figuring I'd get the last highlight and clip it. 

That was 62 minutes ago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 03:20:01 PM
Dunne comes down, drives to the lane and lays it in.

NYU calls time out.

CMU 87 NYU 85 under a minute left

Band's guitarist plays Slash's solo that leads off Guns N' Roses Sweet Child O' Mine.  A song written by Axel Rose about his model girlfriend, who was the daughter of one of the Everly Brothers.

Full service organization here. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2006, 03:21:43 PM
Keep it coming!  (You have discovered my secret...in game summaries on football, men's and women's hoops since fall 2000!  ;)  ;D )
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 03:21:48 PM
Violets inbound, down two.

DeCorso's three rolls in...and out.  CMU grabs the board and McGee commits the foul going for the ball.

Gonzalez, for whom rumors of his departure were exaggerated, to the line.  Less than 20 seconds left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 03:22:55 PM
Gonzelez misses the first, but hits the second.

CMU up three.

Subs enter for NYU.  Violets need a three.  DeCorso tries one...and it's an airball.

Gonzalez grabs the board and is fouled with 5 seconds left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 08, 2006, 03:23:20 PM
Its a final:
CMU 89- 85 NYU
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 03:23:53 PM
Gonzelez misses the first...but hits the second.

CMU 89 NYU 85...1.7 left.

NYU gonna need a "manhattan miracle" (viva Ray Martel)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: TheFence on January 08, 2006, 03:24:08 PM
Great job Gordonmann.  Are you taking donations...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 03:24:28 PM
Senor nerd is correct.  CMU survives.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2006, 03:26:16 PM
Fence:

Ha.  Just visit D3hoops.com every now and then and we'll call it even. ;)

Updated UAA standings: CMU 3-0...Case Western 1-0...Wash U 1-0...NYU 1-1...Rochester 1-2...Chicago 0-1...Emory 0-1...Brandeis 0-2
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 08, 2006, 03:32:20 PM
Wow, what a game.  Two overtimes and CMU comes up big without two of their three leading scorers in the final overtime.  CMU has now won 3 conference road games in a row, two of which are at historically very tough places to play (Rochester and NYU).  NYU takes its first loss of the campaign.  

CMU is starting to win these tough, close road games which is a good sign; last year 3 of their 4 conference losses were by 5 points or less and 2 of those were on the road (the final one being a game for the conference championship at Rochester).  Looks like they have taken the conference by the horns, it will be interesting to see if they can keep it up.

Go Tartans!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on January 08, 2006, 03:35:51 PM
Thanks, Gordon.   Karma for you.

And a little smite of the cap to hugenerd, for committing one of my least-favorite PU acts: scooping the guy who's put in all the effort of updating the game.  Did you think Gordon wasn't going to get around to telling us the final score?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 08, 2006, 03:40:56 PM
I was listening the whole game as well and I have been following CMU for the whole season and I did posts doing the Rochester game, since he was doing it earlier I did not make any posts but I was so excited when they won I couldn't help myself.  Sorry if I upsetted you for making a post but I was just being a fan.  I don't go and bother you when you are following your team and I don't see why you would come and take away a karma point for me being happy about my teams victory.  If you want to be childish that is your choice, if you would like you can take more karma away but karma is not the reason I am making posts.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hail Carnegie on January 08, 2006, 06:30:44 PM
Great win for CMU, their experience is really paying off. This team stuck together the early years when things were tough and they're really reaping the rewards now. It'll be interesting to see if they can keep this intensity throughout the entire UAA schedule. The loss to Bluffton might have actually done them some good to get them refocused after the great Princeton game.

Also, shame on WRCT for broadcasting nothing instead of sending broadcasters out to cover this weekend's games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 08, 2006, 07:42:54 PM
I would also like to congratulate Clayton Barlow Wilcox on his 1000th career point, which he got in todays game vs. NYU.

Go Tartans!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on January 09, 2006, 09:31:05 AM
"A thought...Princeton is overrated. I saw Bluffton play a half this week against Manchester and they were decent, but not a world-beater. Bluffton beats CMU behind some great shooting and lots of foul shots. NYU has a relatively weak schedule and brought CMU to the brink."

This was posted as a replay to the Daily Dose on this past weekend. I think alot of people dont realize how tough a conference the UAA is. The amount of travel that teams are forced to do on a given weekend is 5 times the amount teams from other conferences have to do. For example, this weekend CMU left Pittsburgh Thurdsday afternoon and flew to Boston, played Brandeis Friday night. They then drove down to NYU on Saturday, played Sunday afternoon, then had to rush to the airport to catch their flight home to Pittsburgh.
I cant think of another conference that come close to that amount of travel. Most teams are going 2 or 3 hours tops for a road game let alone a 4 day trip. The Sunday afternoon games favor the home team because the visitors have been all over the country before coming to play. I think once people start to realize what the UAA does, the conference will get alot more respect.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: TheFence on January 09, 2006, 10:06:18 AM
I'm a CMU fan in New England and I agree the UAA is tougher than people realize.  Anyway in New England you get alot of D3 hoop to watch. You have the NEWMAC, NESCAC, LEC, MASCAC, GNAC, CCC, NAC and some UAA with Brandeis. Some of it good and some of very bad.  Anyway this year I have seen WPI twice who has some respect from the voters. After watching CMU play Brandeis and NYU this week-end I would say in my biased opinion that CMU and NYU are better than WPI.  NYU is good dispite a cupcake schedule and CMU's record and performance speaks for itself.

Anyway I'm new to this site and the poll, what are the chances of a 5-6 spot jump in the rankings in 1 week.  I see CMU jumping over WPI, Wartburg. Elhurst, Rochester, and York.  In my opinion NYU should take Rochesters place if there is one left for a second UAA team which there should be.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ScotsFan on January 09, 2006, 10:15:01 AM
Quote from: bouttime on January 09, 2006, 09:31:05 AM
I cant think of another conference that come close to that amount of travel. Most teams are going 2 or 3 hours tops for a road game let alone a 4 day trip. The Sunday afternoon games favor the home team because the visitors have been all over the country before coming to play. I think once people start to realize what the UAA does, the conference will get alot more respect.
Allegheny and Hiram made pretty tough road trips out of the NCAC this past weekend.  'Gheny had to travel almost 7 hours by bus from Meadville, PA to Crawfordsville, IN to play Wabash Friday night, and then turn around and take another 2 1/2 hour bus trip to Richmond, IN to take on Earlham on Saturday.  Hiram had to do the same thing only opposite of Allegheny.  

I know the UAA's road schedule is not ideal compared to other conferences whose teams are no more than maybe a long bus ride away, but I also think it isn't as big a deal as some make it out to be.  I'm not going to look at the tough road schedule and immediately give more credence to teams in the UAA.  Not taking anything away from CMU's win at NYU, but what has NYU done this year to erase doubts that people still might have about them compared to the past few years?  They have been known to jump out to fast starts against a weak non conference schedule, only to be humbled by their conference record.  So they beat Rochester on the road.  That seems to be a trend this season.  I say, the jury is still out on NYU.  One win at Rochester  (especially given the fact that everyone seems to be winning at Rochester this year) doesn't  automatically qualify you a spot in the top 25.   Maybe Rochester should finally be dropped from the top 25.  Maybe a win at Rochester this year just might not count as much this year than it did last year or in year's past.  If CMU continues to roll through the UAA, I'm sure people will take notice.  But I just don't see any other teams that have really proven themselves as being top 25 worthy, so I wouldn't exactly give high praise to the conference as a whole either.  That's how I see it anyways...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 09, 2006, 10:23:31 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on January 09, 2006, 10:15:01 AM
Quote from: bouttime on January 09, 2006, 09:31:05 AM
what has NYU done this year to erase doubts that people still might have about them compared to the past few years?  They have been known to jump out to fast starts against a weak non conference schedule, only to be humbled by their conference record.  So they beat Rochester on the road.  That seems to be a trend this season.  I say, the jury is still out on NYU.  One win at Rochester  (especially given the fact that everyone seems to be winning at Rochester this year)

Actually, NYU  beat Rochester by 18 at home, not on the road.  The only teams to beat Rochester at home are Wittenberg (by 2) and CMU (by 1).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ScotsFan on January 09, 2006, 11:12:25 AM
My bad, I thought it was at Rochester.  Still, that doesn't change my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: TheFence on January 09, 2006, 11:13:00 AM
I think this years UAA is probably better than people think but the problem is that the good teams are new faces.  In other words if Wash U, Rochester, or even Chicago was having the year that CMU was having they would be top 10.  If those teams were having the year that NYU was having they would be Top 25 as well.  I think in D3 because people don't get to see many teams from all across the country they hold alot of wieght on past seasons performance.

If Wooster is Top 5 and beat  #18 Rochester by 1 point and Rochester is now 1-2 in the conference I would think the UAA  is deserveing of 2 Top 25 teams especailly since those teams both have 1 loss each to top 25 teams.




Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: PowerBall on January 09, 2006, 11:59:48 AM
CMU has gotten better over the last three years as there record will attest.  This year is the result of hard work that has gone into the program.  The team is deeper than they've ever been so when players foul out there is a better than average replacement ready to play.  That has not always been the case.  Having good talent also makes  for harder practices as players are competing all the time which keeps everyone sharp for game time. 

There has been a myriad of players stepping up and making it happen both on the scoreboard and others who contribute but don't have the stats show there contribution.  This season is truly a team effort by all. 

"All for One - One for All"
Go Tartans
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2006, 12:01:02 PM
I've got CMU in my top ten and NYU in the poll near the bottom.  It's a very good year for the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: PowerBall on January 09, 2006, 12:26:01 PM
I don't see NYU getting into the top 25 even with a win over Rochester.  They are one dimensional using the post to run their offense.  Don't get me wrong, not a bad strategy with the right player.

Boone is the real deal but he should be playing D1.  I noticed that he's lazy and doesn't really run the floor.  A guy his size should be able to dominate smaller teams which I'm sure he has until yesterday. 

NYU is 1-4 vs. CMU the last three years as they've had the answer for this game strategy.  Boone fouled out for the first time this season yesterday.  He gets lots of calls that should go the other way with offensive charges.  If he can develop a mid-range jumer then watch out.  Overall his stats are better than last year.

Again, NYU will not see top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 09, 2006, 01:29:24 PM
I watched Carnegie Mellon @ NYU and, as the score indicates, the game could have gone either way. Nate Maurer struggled, but Marques Johnson more than picked up the slack. The Violets had very little success defending him. Clayton Barlow-Wilcox, although playing injured, also put in a fine effort for the Tartans.

NYU was led by Jason Boone. He was very aggressive down low, rebounded well, and played good defense. Although he was visibly winded at times, he maintained good intensity throughout the game. The only negative was that he missed some free throws down the stretch. Michael Corso and Jared Kildare also played well for the Violets.

I think Carnegie Mellon is a top 25 team and NYU gave them all they could handle. At the moment I don't believe that NYU is a top 25 team, but they certainly merit consideration. Let's see how they do in conference play--especially on the road.

A footnote: It should be noted that NYU played virtually the entire second half without their starting center/power forward Daniel Falcon, who left the game with an injury at the start of the half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: PowerBall on January 09, 2006, 02:31:54 PM
Barlow-Wilcox played one handed and shot 7-13. Clayton had several uncharacteristic turnovers due to his hand but it was understandable.  He eventually fouled out against an aggressive Boone.  Boone went to the line for 17 charity shots scoring 10 the rest - 16 came in the paint.  Clayton is a player and gave Boone all he could handle that afternoon. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 09, 2006, 03:20:01 PM
If you look at last year's game at NYU between CMU and NYU, it is funny because the stat lines of Boone and Wilcox are exactly switched (when they were both healthy).  Last year CBW had 26 points and 10 boards and Boone had 16 and 11, this year Boone had 26 and 14 and CBW had 17 and 10.  To me, they are both great players and pretty evenly matched, which is amazing when you consider CBW is 6'4" ~210 lbs. and Boone is 6'6" ~250 lbs.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on January 09, 2006, 04:19:49 PM
Barlow-Wilcox is listed at 6'4" but that might be a stretch. He does however put up the numbers no matter who is guarding him. His lack of size is made up by his quickness. He was able to score on NYU's Boone by moving off the lane and making quick moves to the basket.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 09, 2006, 04:41:31 PM
Quote from: TheFence on January 09, 2006, 10:06:18 AM
Anyway I'm new to this site and the poll, what are the chances of a 5-6 spot jump in the rankings in 1 week.  I see CMU jumping over WPI, Wartburg. Elhurst, Rochester, and York.  In my opinion NYU should take Rochesters place if there is one left for a second UAA team which there should be.

York didn't lose so I don't know why CMU would jump them. CMU might or might not jump WPI. Elmhurst is a definite, as is Rochester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: TheFence on January 09, 2006, 05:19:56 PM
Pat,

Your right, I read it wrong. York shouldn't move even if they haven't beaten anyone yet.

I've seen WPI twice and CMU should move ahead of them.  WPI had a bad loss at home this week.  CMU should also move ahead Rochester and Elmhurst.  I think they should sneak ahead of Wartburg as well.  I great week-end by CMU should be rewarded in the rankings and I think the poll will show that.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 09, 2006, 05:53:44 PM
That would be true if the poll existed in a vacuum, but fact of the matter is, no matter how great a win Sunday's was against NYU, there are three teams who had much better weeks, and their rises will be greater than CMU's.

You can never accurately assess the poll by looking at one team in isolation. The results of the other 40-some teams receiving votes are also important, especially to teams in the middle.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 09, 2006, 08:20:02 PM
New top 25 is out on the men's side--

Summary of rankings of UAA teams

Carnegie Mellon-- ranked at #16 this week-- 222 points.

Others receiving votes

NYU-- effective rank #26-- 50 points.
Rochester-- effective rank #28-- 48 points.
Wash U-- effective rank #35-- 8 points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 09, 2006, 08:43:46 PM
I just finished listening to the archived replay of Mark Simon's Friday broadcast of the Brandeis/Carnegie Mellon UAA doubleheader on the BroadcastMonsters.com website, and to me as a Brandeis fan, the men's game was painful to watch live, and the archived replay was just as painful to listen.  After Coach Tony Wingen put his foot down at the 11:58 mark of the first half with Brandeis up 24-18, the Tartans just took their game to a whole new level and the younger Brandeis team just could not keep up.  I rarely see an opponent in a DIII men's game shoot 75% from the field in a half, 60% from 3 pt. range, and almost 80% from the line in that same half, but I did on Friday.  Given that CMU only outrebounded Brandeis 33-28, I would not have expected a 33 point lead in this game.

One bright spot off the bench this weekend has been Ido Givon's play-- Ido Givon had 11 points against Carnegie Mellon and 6 points against Rochester.  Another would be Huston Conti's 14 points off the bench for Brandeis in what would be CMU proving to be the better team vs. Brandeis on Friday.

Sunday's game against Rochester was okay.  Rochester did outrebound Brandeis 39-28, but anytime this young Brandeis team can get a shot to win the game with 28 seconds left, I will take it.  I wish Brandeis had made the final shot, but what can you do?  Losing 2 at home in the UAA still makes one 0-2 with 3 tough road games to follow.

Essentially, Brandeis probably did okay in trying to force Rochester to depend on Jon Onyiriuka to score the points for them-- Onyiriuka ended up being 50% of Rochester's offense on Sunday.  Unfortunately for Brandeis, 1 of Onyiriuka's points turned out to be the winning point.

Brandeis will still be entertaining to watch this year even if the UAA record may not indicate success-- I'm going to be interested to see if the men's game on Saturday at NYU will be closer than last year's brandeis game at NYU on NYU's Senior Day.

BTW, in the preseason, I had Carnegie Mellon as a slight favorite to win the UAA in a deep league, and the Tartans seemed to have justified my preseason feelings so far.  There are a lot more games to go, but 3-0 in the UAA without yet playing a UAA game at home is a big advantage.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 09, 2006, 11:36:38 PM
That was a fun game to watch, I wish CMU could play like they did the 20 minutes spanning from the 10 minute mark in the first to the 10 minute mark in the second all the time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2006, 03:04:42 AM
Hugenerd--

I do agree that if CMU plays like they did against Brandeis during the middle of the game, they will be tough to beat, and that the Tartans deserve all the accolades that they get.   Last Friday's game was entertaining from the Carnegie Mellon perspective of things

From my observations of Carnegie Mellon, the first team that comes to mind when I make comparisons is to the 1991-92 Babson College Beavers men's basketball team that was coached by Serge DeBari (Assumption '71).  Mr. DeBari was the coach at Babson from 1980 to 1995 before moving on to coach at the DII level at his alma mater for 4 years.  He is currently back as the head coach for the Assumption men's basketball team after spending a few years in retirement from basketball-- although still working at Assumption in another position. 

The 1991-92 Babson College men's basketball team used an up-tempo style very similar to that of the Tartans, and they were very talented.  To my knowledge, until this season, Babson was the last DIII men's basketball team to defeat an Ivy League team on the floor during a regular season game.  Babson defeated Harvard, 100-80, at what was then the Briggs Center on the Harvard Univ. campus, but is now known as Lavietes Pavilion.  I can tell you that I watched that game in person at Harvard.  Babson ended up in the top 5 nationally, #1 regionally.  During that season, Babson also defeated a Brandeis team that went on to win the ECAC New England men's basketball championship in the postseason by defeating Bates, Williams, and Colby on the road.  (NESCAC teams were banned by conference rule from the NCAA tournament in those days.)  However, I believe that Brandeis lost by a closer score that season, and if my memory serves me correctly, the Judges believed at the end of the game that they could have defeated Babson.  The 1991-92 Brandeis team was an older and more experienced team than this current team, but the talent of this current Brandeis team is very similar to the Brandeis teams of the years when Kevin O' Brien was coaching the Judges.

Babson made the 40 team field of the NCAA tournament in 1991-92, but was upset at home in their opening game by Eastern Connecticut, I believe.

Just to add a little perspective to things....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: TheFence on January 13, 2006, 09:37:41 AM
I know it's early but who are the contenders for All-Conference and Player of the Year? How about Rookie of the Year?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on January 13, 2006, 10:01:16 AM
I'm leaving today for Cleveland, to see Case play Chicago and Wash U this weekend.  Can the Spartans beat the Maroons for the first time in 11 years?  They already ended their long losing streak against Wash U last year.  And can senior forward Carson Oren break the school scoring record this weekend?  He needs 31 points, and he's been averaging 15.8 this season.  Whatever happens, it should be an exciting weekend.

You can also listen to the games (for the first time) online at http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/broadcast
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: TheFence on January 13, 2006, 10:20:42 AM
I like Case to split this week-end.  Case wins over Chicago and a lose vs. Wash U.  Wash U may be as tough as any team the conference this year and nobodies talking about them.  None the Less this is a huge week-end for the Case Program.  If they lose 2 it will be the same old Case, but if they get a win or 2 then people will start to take notice.  I think if Case goes .500 in the league they would be very happy come seasons end.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on January 13, 2006, 12:34:44 PM
I think Barlow-Wilcox, Mauer, and Straub from CMU get all conference looks. Boone from NYU for sure and DeCorso also for NYU.  I think Goia and Onyiriuka from Rochester is a solid players too. I havent seen much from the other teams so thats all I can offer for now.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 13, 2006, 03:19:34 PM
Another note on milestones, Nate Maurer is 66 points away from 1500 for his career.  Also, Coach Wingen just needs 4 wins to be the winnengest coach in school history. Barlow-Wilcox needs 3 rebounds the be the ninth 1000 point/500 rebound player in CMU history.

As for the best players in the UAA:

NYU

Jason Boone is a lock for first team and has a shot at player of the year if his team wins the league

Other guys who will get considereation are Decorso, Falcon, and Kildare.

Brandeis

Kwame Grave-Fulgham and Rexhepi could find themselves on one of the teams.

Wash U

Scott Stone is putting up pretty good numbers, ge could be a first team guard

Mike Grunst and Troy Ruths may also find themselves on a team, Nading has a shot

Case

Carsen Oren will make the first team and he might have a chance at player of the year....if he was on a better team.

Funso Lafe, although he has been coming off the bench, and Mason Conrad could get some consideration.

Chicago

Jesse Meyer or Brandon Woodhead may find themselves on one of the teams.

Emory

Jeff Hall is having a huge year but his team is near the bottom in the UAA so I dont see him getting any player of the year consideration.

Ferderigos and Bailey could get on a team.

Rochester

Onyiriuka and Goia are primary contenders but they have a few others guys who could.

CMU

Maurer, Barlow-Wilcox, Johnson have all played huge in UAA games this year.  After his 41 at Rochester,  Maurer cooled off in his last 2 outings with 10 and 16.  Johnson has lit it up the last two games and is 4th in the conference in scoring and since they only look at conference games for conference honors he has a shot at first team.  Barlow-Wilcox has played solid in all 3 CMU wins.  If CMU can win the UAA, I see one of these 3 guys getting player of the year and possibly all of them making first team.

Straub also has a shot on one of the teams.

In summary,

Player of the year contenders

Scott Stone
Clayton Barlow Wilcox
Nate Maurer
Jason Boone
Jeff Hall (if they win games)
Carsen Oren (if they win games)

There is alot of games to go in the UAA so you cant be certain about anything.  I think after a few more weakends we will get a better idea of who can consistently perform in league play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 14, 2006, 12:27:34 AM
A surprise in the UAA tonight, Emory upended Wash U.  Another thing that I am not sure of is the status of Jeff Hall, he has not appeared in the last 4 games for EU and has not played since Dec. 8, meaning since first semester.  He has also recently been taken off the UAA overall statistics leaders page (this may be due to missing more than 25% of his teams games).  There is no comment of injury on the EU page in any of the game reports but it will be interesting to see if he can return for the eagles because they are definitely a better team with him (any team would with a guy that gives you 21 ppg. 5 rpg. etc).  Disappointing loss for the Bears as they could not come back all the way from 18 points down at the half (they only lost by 3).

Also in the UAA this evening, Chicago was able to hold on to beat Case after a horrible start for Case. Their best player, Carse Oren, went 3-17 from the field but still managed to lead the team in scoring with 15 (never a good sign when your leading scorer shoots 17%).  Chicago was paced by a balanced offensive attack with 4 starters scoring in double figures.  The halftime score was 26-18 Maroons.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 14, 2006, 11:56:38 AM
Ready for the tip in Newport News, CMU vs. CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 14, 2006, 12:39:34 PM
Carnegie Mellon leads Christopher Newport 49-38.  Nate Maurer has 21 points at the half.  CMU controlled most of the half but CNU ended on a 12-4 run to cut it to 11 at the break.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 14, 2006, 01:12:37 PM
CMU having a field day in the second half, score is now 68-47 with 13 minutes to play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 14, 2006, 01:47:42 PM
Carnegie Mellon wins today 94-81, in a game that was not as close as the final score (they led by nearly 30 at times).  The big 3 for CMU- Maurer, Wilcox, and Johnson- had 23, 20 and 20 respectively.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: PowerBall on January 14, 2006, 06:17:36 PM
NYU wins over Brandies 79 - 75.  Not able to put Judges away and at one point late in the 2nd half was down by 2.  Had 9 pt. lead with 1 minute left then it got down to 2 pts before hack a Violet happened trying to win at the foul line.  They withstand the tight play and go off to play a cupcake game against Hunter College this week.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 15, 2006, 12:48:49 PM
Two big conference games today, Chicago at Emory and WashU at Case. Whoever wins todays games will go into a threeway tie for second place in the conference (all 4 teams playing are 1-1 in the UAA).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 15, 2006, 02:54:16 PM
I saw the Brandeis @ NYU game yesterday. NYU came away with a hard-fought 79-75 victory. The Violets got solid contributions from Matt Basford, Jason Boone, Chael Clark, Mike DeCorso and Jared Kildare. They had good ball movement, nice outside shooting and solid interior play.

I was impressed with Brandeis. They have a solid team and the ability to play with anyone in the conference. Plus they are very young: except for one junior, all of the players are freshmen or sophomores. Steve DeLuca is a versatile 6-6 forward who can shoot. Joe Coppens can shoot the three-ball. Florian Rexhepi can take it to the hole or shot from long range. Kwame Graves-Flugham is quick and athletic and has pretty good court sense.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on January 15, 2006, 11:37:22 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 15, 2006, 02:54:16 PM
I saw the Brandeis @ NYU game yesterday. NYU came away with a hard-fought 79-75 victory. The Violets got solid contributions from Matt Basford, Jason Boone, Chael Clark, Mike DeCorso and Jared Kildare. They had good ball movement, nice outside shooting and solid interior play.

I was impressed with Brandeis. They have a solid team and the ability to play with anyone in the conference. Plus they are very young: except for one junior, all of the players are freshmen or sophomores. Steve DeLuca is a versatile 6-6 forward who can shoot. Joe Coppens can shoot the three-ball. Florian Rexhepi can take it to the hole or shot from long range. Kwame Graves-Flugham is quick and athletic and has pretty good court sense.


nyu played without key player Danny Falcon so it was impressive that NYU was able to play as well as they did. joe coppens did have a great game though. and brandeis made it close at the end of the game they ran the two minute game perfectly...lol sounds like im talking bout football
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 16, 2006, 02:07:33 AM
Chicago (9-5, 2-1) won at Emory (8-6, 1-2) on Sunday, 79-68, while Wash U (10-4, 2-1) won at Case Western Reserve (9-5, 1-2), 86-69.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on January 16, 2006, 03:35:07 PM
Well, even though Case lost both games this weekend, I witnessed history being made.

Early in the second half of yesterday's game against Wash U, Carson Oren broke the school scoring record, which had stood for 24 years.  He now stands at 1,461 points for his career and still has 11 more games.

Later that game, Funso Lafe, a senior who red-shirted his freshman year at The George Washington University before transferring to Case, scored his 1,000th point in three years.  He also made a spectacular dunk on a tip-in late in the Chicago game.

Case falls to 9-5, 1-2 in the league with a tough four-game road trip coming up.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 16, 2006, 04:27:10 PM
According to the new Wolfe Rankings, CMU is the #1 DIII team in the country.  See the top 25 chat for more.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2006, 04:33:01 PM

Mellon's up to #11 in the new poll and NYU breaks in at 24.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on January 17, 2006, 01:33:45 PM
UAA IS DOING BIG THINGS
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 19, 2006, 04:44:48 PM
It's great to see Chicago doing good this year, they've had a rough couple seasons.  With any luck I'll get to catch a game sometime, being out in LA makes that a little tougher though.

Any suggestions for a home game I could catch in February?  I was thinking the Emory game?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on January 20, 2006, 10:19:16 AM
In case anyone is interested, this week's around the nation features an interview with former Wash U all-american Chris Jefferies.  He is now playing professionally in Luxembourg.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: cmubobcat on January 20, 2006, 11:01:00 AM
Listen up!  Carnegie Mellon basketball returns to WRCT Radio this weekend.

Friday:
Tartans vs. Case Western
6:00 Women
8:00 Men

Sunday:
Tartans vs. Emory
12:00 Men
2:00 Women

All games can be heard at 88.3 FM Pittsburgh or online at www.wrct.org.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on January 20, 2006, 09:01:55 PM
CMU and Case are playing a tight game in a PACKED skibo gym. 41-39 tartans with 16 to play. CMU cant get anything goin on offense and the crowd is looking for a reason to explode.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on January 20, 2006, 10:11:10 PM
Case ends up on top, 72-69.  Tough home loss for the Tartans.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on January 20, 2006, 11:00:20 PM
Wow.  This is easily Case's biggest victory in years-- I don't recall them beating a ranked team, much less on the road, since I started following the team in 2000.

Last year, Case gave CMU a real fight late in the season and fell short, but this time, the Spartans prevailed, behind double-doubles from both Carson Oren (21 points, 10 rebounds) and Matt Cannan (14 and 10); sixth man of the year Funso Lafe also scored 18.  Marques Johnson and Nate Maurer led CMU with 13 and 12 points, respectively.

The stat of the game was field goal percentage; Case shot 50% for the game as opposed to the Tartans' 35%.  After leading by nine in the first half and trailing by seven with 8:32 to go in the second, Case went on a 16-4 run, taking the lead for good on a layup by Funso Lafe and a 3-pointer by Rich Mullen.  CMU's three-point attempt to tie the game at the end went wide left, and the Spartans walked off the court with the upset.

This raises an interesting point: if Case beat Carnegie Mellon on the road, who beat Princeton on the road, how would the Spartans fare against the Tigers?  We know that Case was able to handle the up-tempo attack of Westminster (in a 135-120 win in November), but how would they do against the slow Princeton offense?

Case improves to 10-5, 2-2 while CMU falls to 13-2, 3-1.  It doesn't get much easier for the Spartans as they've got to travel to Rochester, Brandeis, and NYU for their next three games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 21, 2006, 02:00:14 AM
Brandeis wins with surprising ease at Chicago, 72-60, behind 17 points apiece from guards Florian Rexhepi and Kwame Graves-Fulgham. This was in spite of the fact that two of Chicago's regulars who had missed the past several games returned to the rotation this evening, Clay Carmody and Matt Corning. Brandeis is now 1-3 in the UAA, while the Maroons fall to 2-2.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on January 21, 2006, 11:16:53 AM
I think that there needs to be a rule on the posting up section where people can not make assumptions about their team beating someone they havent played just because they beat someone else who has.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 21, 2006, 01:56:24 PM
But common opponents its such an easy justification for **** talk?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 21, 2006, 08:50:21 PM
Quote from: sandman on January 20, 2006, 11:00:20 PM
Wow.  This is easily Case's biggest victory in years-- I don't recall them beating a ranked team, much less on the road, since I started following the team in 2000.

Last year, Case gave CMU a real fight late in the season and fell short, but this time, the Spartans prevailed, behind double-doubles from both Carson Oren (21 points, 10 rebounds) and Matt Cannan (14 and 10); sixth man of the year Funso Lafe also scored 18.  Marques Johnson and Nate Maurer led CMU with 13 and 12 points, respectively.

The stat of the game was field goal percentage; Case shot 50% for the game as opposed to the Tartans' 35%.  After leading by nine in the first half and trailing by seven with 8:32 to go in the second, Case went on a 16-4 run, taking the lead for good on a layup by Funso Lafe and a 3-pointer by Rich Mullen.  CMU's three-point attempt to tie the game at the end went wide left, and the Spartans walked off the court with the upset.

This raises an interesting point: if Case beat Carnegie Mellon on the road, who beat Princeton on the road, how would the Spartans fare against the Tigers?  We know that Case was able to handle the up-tempo attack of Westminster (in a 135-120 win in November), but how would they do against the slow Princeton offense?

Case improves to 10-5, 2-2 while CMU falls to 13-2, 3-1.  It doesn't get much easier for the Spartans as they've got to travel to Rochester, Brandeis, and NYU for their next three games.

It is ridiculous to try to say something about how Case would fare in a game against Princeton from a game that CMU obviously played horrible.  It is even more ridiculous to compare Westminster to a D1 team.  Additionally, if CMU shot 35% in every game this season, they would probably be below 0.500 on the season.  In conclusion, you cannot make far fetching conclusions from one game.  My conclusion would be, CMU played an awful game, while Case played a good game, congratulations to Case for having a big road win.  Comparing what they have done thus far this season, I don't think anyone could argue that Carnegie Mellon is not the better team.

In a similar result, Albion lost to Calvin last night, yet for some reason I do not think Calvin will vault into the top 10, while I am pretty certain Albion will stay there.  Similarly, I wouldn't be surprised to see CMU in the top 25 next week, but if you are a Case fan I wouldn't get your hopes up about too many votes.  The simple bottom line is that if you shoot 35% from the field for a game, 25% from three, and 62% from the foul line, and your opponent shoots 50%, 43% and 79%, respectively, you are probably looking at a loss.  I am actually surprised that the margin wasn't larger from looking at the shooting percentages.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on January 22, 2006, 11:58:48 AM
Listen, I'm just raising a hypothetical question and not making any assumptions like "Case would beat Princeton".  All the data we have are two isolated events, and all I did was wonder how such a matchup would play out.

Sure, Case has won more games this year, but that doesn't mean they could beat a struggling D1 program (for whom I mentioned Westminster as an opposite extreme, and not a comparison).  Their out-of-conference schedule was fairly weak and 9 of 11 of those games were at home.  Clearly, Carnegie Mellon was the best opponent they've beaten all year.  I won't be surprised if the Tartans take the rematch in Cleveland.  I'm just thrilled that Case was able to pick up such an important victory on the road after I watched them lose twice at home last week.

But now, it is almost time for the Rochester game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 22, 2006, 01:44:18 PM
Carnegie Mellon wins today over Emory, moving to 4-1 in the conference while the Eagles drop to 1-4.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on January 22, 2006, 01:56:31 PM
Courtesy of www.wysl1040.com:

Halftime at the Palestra:

Rochester 28, Case 22
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 22, 2006, 02:08:00 PM
In todays contest between CMU and Emory, Clayton Barlow Wilcox led all scorers with 31 pts, Nate Maurer had 27 and 14 boards.  Emory had 5 scorers in double digits but CMU was able to pull it out after trailing at halftime behind 18 from Maurer, 11 from Wilcox, and 10 from Johnson in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on January 22, 2006, 02:21:54 PM
With 4:48 left to play, Case has cut the Rochester lead to 44-41.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on January 22, 2006, 02:28:06 PM
Rochester 47, Case 45, 1:45 2nd.  U of R has the ball (after a timeout).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on January 22, 2006, 02:35:43 PM
Jeff Juron hit a 3-pointer for Rochester with 1 second left on the shot clock.  Funso Lafe converted a 3-point play. 

Both teams missed a shot, and Joe Canty is on the line for a 1-and-1 with 17.2 seconds left.

The shot is no good, but John Onyiriuka got the rebound and was fouled.

First shot is good.
Second shot is good.

Lafe missed a lay-up.  Juron on the line for 2 shots.

1 out of 2 is good.

Lafe made a lay-up. 0.7 second left.  Timeout for Case.

Game over.  Final: Rochester 53, Case 50.

Case (10-6, 2-3) battled back from a 12-point second-half deficit but couldn't quite tie the game when they had the chance.  Rochester (12-4, 3-2) moves within a game of first place.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 22, 2006, 03:34:40 PM
NYU up 7 with a minute left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 22, 2006, 03:43:25 PM
NYU wins 67-58 to move into a tie for 3rd with Rochester (3-2) in the UAA.  In the top spot is CMU and Wash U (4-1) who have yet to play eachother but will meet twice in the next two weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 23, 2006, 12:28:11 PM
UAA Standings

Carnegie Mellon 4-1
Washington U. 4-1
NYU 3-2
Rochester 3-2
Case Western 2-3
Chicago 2-3
Brandeis 1-4
Emory 1-4
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on January 23, 2006, 08:36:55 PM
CMU slides down to #14 in the latest top 25 poll with 283 points while Rochester is essentially #30, NYU #34 and WashU #37 with 24, 13, 7 points respectively.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 24, 2006, 12:59:44 AM
I am glad to see the pollsters didnt punish CMU too much for having one bad night, although they had a right to.  CMU is a strong team and will show it the rest of the way (I hope).  They have a really good oppurtunity to take control of the conference, again, because they face WashU twice in the coming two weeks, both teams are currently tied for first in the UAA. Next up however is Chicago.

Also a note, Nate Maurer is 4 points away from 1500 for his collegiate career (740 at Grove City and 756 at CMU so far).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: cmubobcat on January 26, 2006, 10:29:16 PM
Carnegie Mellon basketball returns to the airwaves this weekend on WRCT 88.3 FM Pittsburgh and online at www.wrct.org.

Friday:  Tartans @ Chicago
7:00 Women
9:00 Men (Eastern Time)

Sunday:  Tartans @ Wash. U.
1:00 Men
3:00 Women (Eastern Time)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WBRSsports on January 27, 2006, 01:34:57 AM
WBRS will be back for all the Brandeis Basketball action this weekend:

Friday, January 27, 8 PM vs. Case Western
Sunday, January 29, 1 PM vs. Emory

Tune in to 100.1 FM in Waltham or www.wbrs.org for all the action
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 28, 2006, 01:46:53 AM
Brandeis beat Case, NYU clobbered Emory, Wash U nipped Rochester, and Chicago edged Carnegie Mellon, 80-77, in overtime.

I was at the latter game. It was definitely one of the most exciting finishes I've seen in recent years. Chicago did a terrific job on defense; CMU came into the game averaging over 88 ppg, but the Maroons held them to 65 points in regulation. In fact, the Tartans went over nine minutes in the first half without scoring a point, watching their 19-9 lead evaporate into a 24-19 deficit in the process. CMU turned the ball over 22 times, and while some of that was just good ballhawking by the Maroons and good coaching by Mike McGrath in taking away the weakside cuts that CMU was using early, a lot of those turnovers were of the unforced variety. The Tartans showed a disturbing tendency to put the ball on the floor down low in traffic when they should not have, and on three or four occasions they simply didn't look passes into their hands.

The last ten minutes of regulation were back-and-forth, with Brandon Woodhead of Chicago making a driving layup from the left baseline to put the Maroons up 64-62 with 52 seconds left, and his point guard counterpart for the Tartans, Geoff Kozak, answering with his first and only trey of the night at the :34 mark to put CMU up by one. Chicago center Clay Carmody was fouled in the low post with :11 left, missed his first FT, and after the Tartans called a timeout to ice him further, he made the second. After CMU's Nate Maurer missed a runner in the lane with five seconds left, Chicago rebounded and had one last opportunity to score. But Jesse Meyer's trey attempt hit the front of the rim, leading to overtime.

The Tartans jumped out to a 76-71 lead with a minute and a half left in the extra stanza, and it looked as though the visitors would emerge unscathed for the evening. After Maurer split a pair at the line, CMU led 77-73 with 22 seconds remaining. But Woodhead flew down the court, and his runner in the lane with 15 seconds left not only went in, but resulted in a foul by Kozak that gave Chicago the chance to cut the lead to one point. However, Woodhead missed the throw, and Carnegie Mellon's Clayton Barlow-Wilcox rebounded the ball. Chicago's Matt Corning immediately fouled him, putting Barlow-Wilcox at the line for two shots with 11 seconds left and the Tartans up, 77-75.

Incredibly, Barlow-Wilcox not only missed the first attempt, he didn't even hit the rim. It bounced off of the bottom of the backboard to the left of the net. His second attempt bounced off the rim to the right and was rebounded by Chicago's Tim Reynolds. The Maroons streaked down the court and got Woodhead an open look. As poorly as the Maroons shot from downtown all night (6-for-27), this attempt by Woodhead from the left elbow went down, and suddenly the Maroons were on top, 78-77, with two ticks left.

CMU's Marques Johnson threw a three-quarters-court inbounds pass to Maurer between the far end of the scorer's table and the CMU bench. Maurer leaped in the air and caught it, but he had not re-established position inbounds after having stepped on the sideline. The ref whistled the play dead, gave the ball to Chicago, and Maurer's vehement objection drew a technical. Meyer made two FTs, Chicago inbounded the ball, and the game ended.

Maurer led all scorers with 23 for CMU. Barlow-Wilcox had 16 points and 8 boards, and Barry Dunn chipped in with 10 off the bench for the Tartans. Chicago was led by Meyer with 18 (half of his points coming at the line, as he went a horrific 3-19 from the field), Woodhead with 16, Corning with 13, and Carmody with 10.

Great game ... well worth the price of admission.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 28, 2006, 11:12:58 AM
I saw NYU rout Emory, 97-64, last night. The game was never in doubt, as NYU raced out to an early 8-0 lead and never looked back. The Violets shot 73% from the floor in the first half and led 58-30 at the break.

It was an excellent outing for NYU, probably their best performance of the year. Mike DeCorso and Jared Kildare had excellent games, and Matt Basford and Jason Boone chipped in as well. Good ball movement, excellent shooting, and solid defense paved the way for the win.

Emory is not nearly as bad as the score indicates. The Eagles have a fair amount of talent, some size and decent depth. They dealt first-place Washington U their only conference loss and they're capable of springing another upset down the road.

I was impressed with Emory's shooting guard Spiros Gerderigos. He is aggressive, a good ballhandler and a solid outside shooter who's also tough enough to take it inside and finish. Freshman power forward Johnny Pinto also looked good. He's got good range, can dribble a bit, and has a decent inside game. He's a versatile player who has skills and is athletic. I don't know what Jeff Hall's status is. He is (was?) the team's leading scorer, but he didn't play and hasn't played a game in a month or so.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 28, 2006, 11:16:33 AM
UAA Standings

Washington 5-1
Carnegie Mellon 4-2
NYU 4-2
Chicago 3-3
Rochester 3-3
Brandeis 2-4
Case Western 2-4
Emory 1-5
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 29, 2006, 06:35:52 PM
Carnegie beats WashU tonight, getting back on top of the UAA.  CMU, WashU, and NYU are all tied at the top with 5-2 records, but CMU has beaten both squads so they hold the tiebreaker currently.  WashU and CMU square off again next Friday at Skibo Gym, in Pittsburgh. 

Updated Standings

Carnegie Mellon5-2
Washington 5-2
NYU 5-2
Chicago 4-3
Rochester 3-4
Brandeis 3-4
Case Western 2-5
Emory 1-6
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 30, 2006, 11:58:10 AM
I saw NYU defeat Case Western Reserve, 78-49, yesterday. Once again, a very impressive performance by NYU. They led all the way and the game was never in doubt.  Good ball movement, solid shooting and tough, aggressive defense paved the way for the Violets. Jared Kildare is playing extremely well, running the show on offense, scoring when necessary and playing solid defense. Jason Boone is scoring inside, while Mike DeCorso and Matt Basford are shooting very well from the perimeter.

Case Western is a pretty fair team and they were simply blown out of the gym. NYU played two excellent games this weekend and if they continue to play this way, they're going to be tough to beat.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 30, 2006, 08:19:01 PM
Will confusion aid CWRU this weekend v NYU and Brandeis?
http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/winter/throwback.htm
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on January 30, 2006, 08:41:30 PM
That is just too cool... 8)
I really miss Cleveland... :'(
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 31, 2006, 07:41:46 PM
Halftime from Auerbach Arena

#10 Amherst 47, Brandeis 44
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 31, 2006, 07:48:43 PM
For scoring details of the game, check related post in NESCAC forum.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on January 31, 2006, 08:37:43 PM
I just want to make a comment on how strong the UAA is from top to bottom. Even thought Emory is 1-6 in the conference, their only win in against leauge leader WashU. Case is 2-5 in the conference and one of their wins is against leauge leader CMU. There have only been a few blowout wins in conference this year. Every game that I have seen this year has been extremely physical and a close contest. I think that if you put some of the weaker teams in the UAA this year in other conferences they would be up near the top of the standings. I hope that whoever makes it to the NCAA tournament this year from the UAA is not physically spent prior to making a tournament run.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 31, 2006, 08:40:16 PM
Final score from Auerbach Arena

#10 Amherst 82, Brandeis 69
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2006, 09:53:29 AM

I'd agree, the UAA is very strong this year.  I think even Emory would represent themselves well, even in some very strong conferences.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 03, 2006, 09:30:04 AM
Big Game tonight between CMU and WashU, both teams hold the head-to-head tiebreaker vs. NYU, so the winner of tonights game will be in 1st place of the conference regardless of NYUs result (for the time being). 

You can go to:  http://www.wrct.org/  for the call.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: cmubobcat on February 03, 2006, 09:33:55 AM
Listen up!  Carnegie Mellon basketball airs on WRCT this weekend.

Friday: WashU @ Carnegie Mellon (88.3 FM Pittsburgh or online at www.wrct.org)
6:00 Women
8:00 Men

Sunday: Chicago @ Carnegie Mellon (online only: www.wrct.org)
1:00 Men
3:00 Women
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on February 03, 2006, 10:13:32 AM
Tonight's CMU/WashU game holds some extra meaning for Tartan's head coach Tony Wingen. A win tonight will make him the winningest coach in CMU history.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 03, 2006, 10:29:09 AM

Well if they needed any extra motivation...

Quote from: bouttime on February 03, 2006, 10:13:32 AM
Tonight's CMU/WashU game holds some extra meaning for Tartan's head coach Tony Wingen. A win tonight will make him the winningest coach in CMU history.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 03, 2006, 04:09:30 PM
Case's games today and Sunday will be held in Adelbert Gym for Throwback Weekend.  The gym was the home of Western Reserve University until the athletic teams at Case and WRU merged in 1972.

The Spartans will wear the maroon jerseys of Reserve tonight, and the blue jerseys of the Case Institute of Technology on Sunday.

Game times are 8PM tonight vs. NYU and 12 Noon on Sunday vs. Brandeis.  You can listen to them live at http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/broadcast/ on WHK 1420 AM.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 03, 2006, 06:58:44 PM
The teams merged in '70.  In my day Reserve was more a bright red than maroon.  Will the throw back bring back Coach Simko's warm-ups to Duane Eddy's "Rebel Rouser"? 

The confusion seems to be succeeding; Mather only trails NYU by a point.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 03, 2006, 07:10:52 PM
Thanks, cwru70.  The media guide I have has records only going back to '72-- I knew that Case and Reserve had separate athletic teams a few years after the federation, but I forgot how long it was.  But if we had a Throwback Weekend when I was a student there, maybe I'd have known that already. ;)

--Sandman (CWRU '04)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 03, 2006, 07:32:45 PM
I will grant you that possibly the bb tams didn't merge until '72, but I know football merged in '70.  In the days between 67 and merger of teams, the teams were known as Adelbert College of CWRU and Case Institute of Technology of CWRU. 

Listening to the broadcast, there are promos for Wackadoo's in Thwing.  The wackadoo was the name the old Commodore Deli gave to its subs.

BTW can you shed any light on what became of the freshman Rodriguez who had a lot of PT at forward early (maybe even some starts) but is no longer on the roster.

Glad to know there's still an R in the center circle in Adelbert Gym.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on February 03, 2006, 08:34:52 PM
Great game in Pittsburgh right now. WashU leads by 7 CMU by with 4 mins. left in the 1st half. Both teams have made large runs in the first half and it seems to be the trend of the game so far.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on February 03, 2006, 08:41:27 PM
CMU: 30   WashU: 36

Halftime score from Pittsburgh (Go Steelers!)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 03, 2006, 09:03:01 PM
CMU ties is at 45 with 15 minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on February 03, 2006, 09:13:16 PM
11 min to go. CMU trails by 2.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 03, 2006, 09:19:20 PM
CMU up 4, 59-55.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 03, 2006, 09:28:09 PM
CMU up 5 with 3 minutes left. WashU at the line for 1 and 1.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 03, 2006, 09:31:07 PM
2:13 left, CMU up 70-65 with the ball.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 03, 2006, 09:34:01 PM
CMU up 7 with 1:17 left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 03, 2006, 09:38:13 PM
36 secs to go, CMU up 4 with AJ Straub at the line for 2.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 03, 2006, 09:39:22 PM
CMU up 3 with 22 s left, timeout on the floor. CMU has the ball.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 03, 2006, 09:41:04 PM
WOW. WashU steals the ball, misses the 3 and AJ straub gets the rebound and is fouled. CMU up 3 with 17 s left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 03, 2006, 09:43:50 PM
CMU wins the game by 79-72 with a dunk by Nate Maurer at the buzzer. I will let bouttime tell you about the records set during this game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on February 03, 2006, 09:46:34 PM
Hey thanks for allowing me to announce that Tony Wingen is now the all time wins leader in CMU history. On a lighter note, CMU is now in first place in the UAA. Congrats to Coach Wingen and the Tartans.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 03, 2006, 09:47:48 PM
Lets switch over the NYU game.  NYU up 4 with 2 minutes to go from Cleveland.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 03, 2006, 09:55:58 PM
Looks like NYU will pull it out, up 7 with the ball. 22 s left, NYU going to the line.

Also, I would like to say congratulations to Tony Wingen for becoming the winnengest coach in CMU history.  Hopefully the can avenge their loss to Chicago on Sunday and keep their league best record (noting that NYU could have the same record but currently do not hold the tiebreaker).

Game pretty much over in Cleveland, 4 point game with 3 s left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 03, 2006, 10:06:33 PM
CMU and NYU are now tied atop the UAA with records of 6-2 apiece. WashU falls to 5-3.  CMU leads the season series against both teams, leading NYU 1-0 and sweeping WashU 2-0.  WashU won their only meeting with NYU.  CMU plays NYU next Friday in Pittsburgh, which will be a huge game with championship implications.  CMU cant overlook Chicago on Sunday, though, they lost to the Maroons in Chicago one week ago.

Go Tartans!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 05, 2006, 12:43:26 PM
Halftime in Cleveland-- Courtesy of WHK AM 1040: http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/broadcast/

Case 38, Brandeis 28

For Throwback Weekend, Case is wearing the blue jerseys of Case Institute of Technology, and Brandeis is wearing the black unis of Duke.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2006, 12:46:52 PM
Thanks, Sandman.

I just wanted to add that Funso Lafe has scored 15 pts. off the bench in the first half (according to the WHK announcers) to lead the Spartans.

It seems to be a good game so far, but the crowd is probably not as large today as it was on Friday night.  Case did not post their attendance figures on the box score sheets on Friday.

I'll try to get some other updates....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2006, 12:58:31 PM
Over at the Palestra in Rochester, NY-- the second half has just gotten underway in the Wash U v. Rochester men's game.

Rochester led at halftime, 30-20.

Jon Onyiriuka and Dan Milbrand are not playing for Rochester today due to coach's decision.

Rochester is currently leading, 36-27, with about 16 min. to go in regulation.

Internet broadcast courtesy of http://www.wysl1040.com
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2006, 01:16:51 PM
Over at Skibo Gym in Pittsburgh, Chicago has opened up a 19-8 lead on the Tartans with 13:15 to go in the first half.

That game is on courtesy of http://www.wrct.org.  Click on their special sports stream to listen to that one.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2006, 01:22:07 PM
Another update from Skibo Gym--

The Tartans have effectively countered Chicago's opening run to start the game.

Chicago now leads Carnegie Mellon, 21-20, with 9:37 to go in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 05, 2006, 01:25:50 PM
Case leads 'Deis 60-54 with 5:00 to play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2006, 01:30:38 PM
Rochester leads Wash U, 58-46, with 2:49 to play.

However, I will go back to the Brandeis/Case game to listen to the conclusion.

Rochester has effectively shut Scott Stone down-- Stone has 3 pts. for the game on 1 of 7 shooting at this point in the contest.

Now under 2:40 to play-- Rochester leads, 59-46.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2006, 01:34:18 PM
Case 63, Brandeis 62-- 54 seconds left to play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2006, 01:36:26 PM
If Brandeis comes back from this one-- credit Steve DeLuca for it.  He has scored Brandeis's last 21 points.  Steve DeLuca has 34 for the game so far, according to the webcast.

Matt Cannan has fouled out with 49 seconds left for Case.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2006, 01:39:28 PM
End of regulation

Brandeis 65, Case 65

Going to overtime.

Carson Oren's "3" missed at the buzzer.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 05, 2006, 01:39:53 PM
We've got overtime in Cleveland--

Case 65, Brandeis 65 End 2nd

Steve DeLuca has 34 points to lead the Judges.  Funso Lafe has 21.

At Case, we never did get as large a crowd on Sunday afternoons as we did on Friday nights, so I'm not surprised that there are fewer fans today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2006, 01:43:36 PM
Brandeis is now leading 68-65-- early in the overtime.  This lead is the first since the Judges led 6-4 early in the game.

Rocco Toppi has now fouled out with 3 points and 6 rebounds for the Judges.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2006, 01:45:12 PM
Funso Lafe has now missed both free throws.

Brandeis 68, Case 65  3:20 left to play in the first overtime.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 05, 2006, 01:46:58 PM
Brandeis 71, Case 65 1:50 OT

My connection keeps cutting in and out.  Why does it have to happen at a time like this?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2006, 01:48:07 PM
It's okay, Sandman.  My connection seems to be working fine right now, so I am listening to it.

Brandeis is on a 19-5 run so far.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 05, 2006, 01:49:28 PM
I think I've got the stream back up again.

Case finally scores in OT on 2 free throws by Carson Oren.

71-67 'Deis with 1:25 to go.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 05, 2006, 01:52:23 PM
After a steal and a timeout, Funso Lafe misses a shot and is called for going over the back on the rebound.

Inside a minute, Judges lead 73-67.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 05, 2006, 01:58:15 PM
Mason Conrad missed both free throws, but Funso Lafe got the rebound and was fouled.  Both shots are good.

:28 to go, Florian Rexhepi on the line.  Missed 'em both.

Funso Lafe was fouled on a drive to the hoop.  :19 to play.
First shot is no good.  Second shot is good.

Steve DeLuca is on the FT line.  First shot is no good.  Second shot is good.  74-70.

Lafe missed a shot on a drive.  DeLuca got the rebound and was fouled.  This one's just about over.

Steve DeLuca singlehandedly brought the Judges back in the game, and too many missed free throws lost it for Case.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2006, 01:59:55 PM
Final from Adelbert Gym in Cleveland

Brandeis 74, Case 70  (OT).

Great come from behind victory for the Judges.

Steve DeLuca looks to be the game's MVP-- as he led the Judges with 35 points.  
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 05, 2006, 02:04:12 PM
Case falls to 10-10, as they haven't won a game since knocking off Carnegie Mellon.

I'm off to the UAA women's board, as it's up to the Lady Spartans to salvage a single victory during Throwback Weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: titanfan on February 05, 2006, 02:09:25 PM
About 12 minutes to play, and Chicago leads Carnegie Mellon 49-46.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: titanfan on February 05, 2006, 02:16:56 PM
58-52 Chicago with 9 minutes to play.  Maurer has 3 fouls for the Tartans.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: titanfan on February 05, 2006, 02:20:47 PM
61-56 U of C with 7 to play. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: titanfan on February 05, 2006, 02:23:19 PM
61-58 with 6 to play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: titanfan on February 05, 2006, 02:28:58 PM
65-63 Chicago leads with 4 minutes to play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: titanfan on February 05, 2006, 02:31:19 PM
About 2 and a half to play, Carnegie Mellon now leads 66-65.  CMU at the line to shoot two.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: titanfan on February 05, 2006, 02:35:23 PM
Under 2 to play, CMU leads 68-65 with the ball.  Timeout CMU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: titanfan on February 05, 2006, 02:41:11 PM
CMU up 70-65, Chicago misses a three.  CMU rebound and foul.  30 seconds to play.  Chicago lead for the entire game until about 3 minutes.  Now it'll take a miracle for U of C to win it.  Chicago had two 3's rim in and out in their last two possessions.

Straub makes one free throw to lead 71-65, but rebound CMU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: titanfan on February 05, 2006, 02:43:23 PM
Final from Pittsburgh:

CMU        76
Chicago  67
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2006, 03:20:18 PM
Carnegie Mellon is now in sole possession of first place in the men's race in the UAA.

Emory upset NYU today, 93-77, in Atlanta.

In the game in Rocheter, Rochester defeated Wash U today by a score of 67-55.

Also, to recap, the Brandeis men defeated Case in overtime today by a score of 74-70.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 05, 2006, 03:40:00 PM
Big day for UAA basketball as CMU claims sole possession of first.  They play NYU next Friday, with a win they take a pretty strong (2 game) lead into the final 4 games of conference play.  A note on the Emory-NYU game, Jeff Hall made his return this weekend after a couple month hiatus after breaking his hand.  Rochester beat WashU so there is a 3-way tie at 3rd now between Rochester, WashU and Brandeis.  If Rochester starts playing well they are very dangerous and they seem to be righting the ship after some uncharecteristic conference losses in recent weeks.

In the CMU game, Nate Maurer had 26 points and 9 boards, CBW had 14 points and 11 boards and Marques Johnson added 14 points.  It was a very clean game on both sides with only 6 turnovers for CMU and 7 for Chicago.  CMU outrebounded Chicago 47 to 39.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2006, 09:40:22 AM

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the UAA has the best "last place" team in the country?  What do you think?  Emory has been tough this year, just very unlucky in conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on February 06, 2006, 10:17:46 AM
I would agree that Emory is the best last place team in the country. Their 2 wins within the conference are against 2 very good teams (WashU and NYU). Put them in a weaker converence like the PAC and then are close to the top of the standings. I feel like they could even be a very competive team in a conference like the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: TheFence on February 06, 2006, 10:22:59 AM
I'd have to agree there.  The conference is very tough this year top to bottom. here are some highlight from each team.

-CMU 17-3. Huge win over Princeton, as well as Wash U, NYU and Rochester all on the road.
-Rochester 14-6. Win over Wash U, and 2 very close loses VS. CMU and Wittenberg.
-NYU 17-3 win over Rochester.
-Wash U 13-7 wins over NYU and Rochester close loss to Robert Morris Chi. probably their best accomplishment.
-Brandeis 12-8 Overtime loss VS. Tufts. (OK so that's a stretch)
-Chicago 11-9 wins over Rochester & CMU. Close loss Vs, Ill. Wes.
-Case 10-10 Win @ CMU
-Emory 10-10 wins over Wash U, NYU and Gordon College

5 games left in the season and every team is still above .500 on the year.  Just a solid conference top to bottom.  I hope CMU can make some noise in the tough Great Lakes Region come Tourney Time.  I know NYU or Rochester will be tough in the east, if they get in of course.  If Wash U runs the table (a very tall order) the UAA may get 3 bids yet. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2006, 11:14:43 AM

WashU would have to run the table to even have a chance; its still slim even then.  I think if NYU can hang on, they can get one though.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on February 06, 2006, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 06, 2006, 09:40:22 AM

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the UAA has the best "last place" team in the country? What do you think? Emory has been tough this year, just very unlucky in conference play.

Quote from: bouttime on February 06, 2006, 10:17:46 AM
I would agree that Emory is the best last place team in the country. Their 2 wins within the conference are against 2 very good teams (WashU and NYU). Put them in a weaker converence like the PAC and then are close to the top of the standings. I feel like they could even be a very competive team in a conference like the OAC.

Quote from: TheFence on February 06, 2006, 10:22:59 AM
I'd have to agree there.  The conference is very tough this year top to bottom. here are some highlight from each team.

-CMU 17-3. Huge win over Princeton, as well as Wash U, NYU and Rochester all on the road.
-Rochester 14-6. Win over Wash U, and 2 very close loses VS. CMU and Wittenberg.
-NYU 17-3 win over Rochester.
-Wash U 13-7 wins over NYU and Rochester close loss to Robert Morris Chi. probably their best accomplishment.
-Brandeis 12-8 Overtime loss VS. Tufts. (OK so that's a stretch)
-Chicago 11-9 wins over Rochester & CMU. Close loss Vs, Ill. Wes.
-Case 10-10 Win @ CMU
-Emory 10-10 wins over Wash U, NYU and Gordon College

5 games left in the season and every team is still above .500 on the year.  Just a solid conference top to bottom.  I hope CMU can make some noise in the tough Great Lakes Region come Tourney Time.  I know NYU or Rochester will be tough in the east, if they get in of course.  If Wash U runs the table (a very tall order) the UAA may get 3 bids yet.

I agree with all three of you. The UAA is a very solid conference from top to bottom. It should also be pointed out that Jeff Hall, Emory's leading scorer, returned to action this weekend after missing nine games with a foot injury. This will make them even tougher down the stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2006, 11:30:55 AM

Ok, so maybe Case is the worst team in the UAA, still a very good squad.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 06, 2006, 06:02:27 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 06, 2006, 11:30:55 AM

Ok, so maybe Case is the worst team in the UAA, still a very good squad.

Case beat CMU(17-3) and Bethany(18-4).  They are a dangerous team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 06, 2006, 08:15:03 PM
Carnegie Mellon is 5-0 against the top 4 teams in the UAA (excluding themselves) and only 2-2 versus the bottom 3 teams at the moment (both losses have been by 3 points).  I dont know exactly what to attribute this to but I thought it was interesting.  Probably a combination of the league being so competitive, CMU getting up for the big games and them having a few bad games against teams with worse records in the league.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2006, 08:49:17 AM

Teams have to take a break sometime and there is no one in the UAA that you can beat going 85%.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: username1111 on February 08, 2006, 03:42:34 PM
Hey, first post.

I took it upon myself to check if NYU had played any D-I opponents since beginning play as a D-III school, and I found two short game recaps from the mid-late 80s of NYU-Columbia games. While NYU lost, they were by 10 and 14 points. Another article noted that Columbia was NYU's first opponent when the basketball program re-started.

So, considering that Ivies do still play D-III teams -- CMel v. Princeton, Cornell v. Ithaca, and even Columbia v. CCNY -- does anyone know why NYU never goes uptown to play Columbia anymore? I think that having an annual game against Columbia would help build student interest in the team. Heck, even a charity game between the unofficial basketball teams of their LAW SCHOOLS fills the gym every year. What's the deal?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: TheFence on February 08, 2006, 03:46:31 PM
Take a look at NYU's Non-Conference schedule.  Lets just say a D1 school probably doesn't fit their non conference schedule criteria.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2006, 03:47:31 PM

Especially when they are trying to get their QOWI numbers up in a weak region.  They can't afford to give that game away.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2006, 03:48:03 PM

Although, that does bring up one question I had.  Why is NYU in the East region, when every other NYC school is in the Atlantic?  Does anyone know?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 08, 2006, 03:51:37 PM
NYU only plays cupcakes out of conference as of late.  If you look at their schedule from this year and the past couple you will see what I am talking about.  Their out of conference record for the regular season the last 4 years has been 11-0, 10-1, 11-0 and 9-2.  They do not schedule difficult opponents very often (you will see that their out of conference record is extremely high compared to in conference every year, in the same seasons they have had in conference records of 6-3, 6-8, 8-6, and 3-11).  It may also be an issue with travel but I think they have been hesitant to step up to the plate by scheduling formidable opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 08, 2006, 03:57:51 PM
In region Ranking are now up.  I believe there are 4 UAA teams ranked.

CMU is 3rd in the Great Lakes
NYU is 3rd in the East
Rochester is 5th in the East
WashU is 8th in the Midwest
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: TheFence on February 08, 2006, 04:15:10 PM
Looks like the NESCAC is the only conference with 5.  At fisrt glance it looks like the UAA was the only one with 4. 

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2006, 04:20:45 PM

No one outside the multi-region UAA and the ten-ranked NE would even have a shot at five.  Four is quite impressive though, I think only the WIAC and CCIW have done that in recent memory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: username1111 on February 08, 2006, 04:21:54 PM
Hmm. Hopefully they will reconsider that scheduling strategy in the future; non-conference games are very poorly attended. I don't think the whole point of a schedule should be to rack up points to reach the tournament, and I'm sure that if there were a non-conference game in November or December where NYU played a "marquee" opponent, they'd get some sorely needed fan support.

That said, thank you for the solid answers!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: cmubobcat on February 09, 2006, 11:35:09 AM
WRCT Radio presents Carnegie Mellon basketball live over the Internet this weekend.  All broadcasts will be online only and can be heard by clicking on the "Sports Stream" links at the top of the WRCT home page (www.wrct.org).  These broadcasts will not be heard on terrestrial radio.

Friday:  Tartans vs. NYU
6:00 Women
8:00 Men

Sunday:  Tartans vs. Brandeis
1:00 Men
3:00 Women

Again, this weekend's games can only be heard at www.wrct.org.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 12:06:18 PM

Big weekend for Mellon, both NYU and Brandeis are playing very well right now, should be a couple of good games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 09, 2006, 12:43:52 PM
WashU and Chicago came into last weekend playing well also and CMU was able to get it done then.  If they sweep this weekend they have all but locked up their first ever UAA crown.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on February 09, 2006, 06:49:10 PM
CoSIDA, the College Sports Information Directors of America, has today announced their 2005-06 Academic All-District Teams (sponsored by ESPN the Magazine), and as one might expect, the UAA is wery well represented. 

Making the College Division First Team in their respective districts were
* Clayton Barlow-Wilcox of Carnegie Mellon (District 2, 3.65 GPA in Bus. Admin./Soc. & Cult. History)
* Troy Ruths of Washington University in St. Louis (District 7, 4.00 GPA in Computer Sci.)

By being named to the first team, both Clayton and Troy become eligible for Academic All-American status.

Second team honorees for Dist. 4 include
* Matthew Cannan, CWRU (3.82, Accounting)
* Richard Mullen, CWRU (3.88 Management)
* Mason Conrad, CWRU (3.63, Mech. Engineering)

Named to the third team in Dist. 7 was
* Scott Stone, WUSTL (3.46, Mech. Engineering)

Congratulations to these outstanding scholar-athletes!

Men's Academic All-District Teams (http://www.cosida.com/formpdfs/mb06acad.pdf)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: TheFence on February 10, 2006, 08:47:30 PM
looking for cmu/nyu update. can't get wrct up and running?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: username1111 on February 10, 2006, 09:16:16 PM
NYU 46, CMU 44. 9 minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: username1111 on February 10, 2006, 09:25:01 PM
CMU 56, NYU 50, CMU going to the line after an NYU timeout. About five minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: TheFence on February 10, 2006, 09:31:13 PM
thanks
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: username1111 on February 10, 2006, 09:38:56 PM
Final Score:

NYU 62, CMU 59

Magee hit a three pointer at the buzzer for the win.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 10, 2006, 10:20:58 PM
Wash U leads Case 81-54 now... this one's just about over.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2006, 09:40:58 AM
Good morning!  The UAA Baseball Message Board is "up and running" on the Baseball Multi-Region site.

"Play Ball!" :)

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 12, 2006, 02:39:15 PM
Halftime in Chicago:

Case leads the U of C, 28-24.

Carson Oren leads all scorers with 8 points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 12, 2006, 03:35:43 PM
Chicago extended their streak over Case to 18 games as they won at home, 52-49.  The Spartans only shot 8/29 from the field in the 2nd half and missed three shots to tie the game in the closing seconds.

In other action, Carnegie Mellon retakes sole possession of first place by beating Brandeis, 86-74.  NYU lost to Rochester, 67-53.  If Wash U wins, they move into a three-way tie for second with NYU and UR.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: emory_eagle on February 12, 2006, 04:04:17 PM
3 min. left in OT @ Wash. U.

Wash U. 93 - Emory 88
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: emory_eagle on February 12, 2006, 04:06:52 PM
1:18 left @ Wash. U.

Emory 95 - Wash. U. 93
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: emory_eagle on February 12, 2006, 04:09:48 PM
(Announcers have said Wash. U has a new UAA record with free throws with 43-52 FTs.)

22 sec. left in OT @ Wash. U

Emory 95 - Wash. U. 95
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: emory_eagle on February 12, 2006, 04:12:06 PM
(Spiros Federigos of Emory had 45 pts. before fouling out of the game)

Going to Double OT @ Wash. U. Fieldhouse

Emory 95 - Wash. U. 95
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: emory_eagle on February 12, 2006, 04:18:11 PM
1:42 left in 2OT @ Wash. U.

Emory 100 - Wash U. 99

(All of the Emory players on the floor have 4 fouls...54 FTs for Wash U.)

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: emory_eagle on February 12, 2006, 04:23:00 PM
13.3 sec. left in 2OT @ Wash. U.

Emory 100 - Wash U. 101

(Breshears misses 2 FTs then Nading steals from Jeff Hall and layups for Wash. U.)

2 FTs coming up for Wash. U.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 12, 2006, 04:25:56 PM
Thanks for the updates, Emory Eagle.  I keep losing the signal from my computer.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: emory_eagle on February 12, 2006, 04:27:27 PM
2OT Final @ Wash. U

Wash. U. 102 - Emory 100

Jeff Hall misses 3 at end of game.

86 FTs taken, 64 fouls called...ugly...and the women's game is next.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ds on February 13, 2006, 01:21:37 AM
An exciting game in St. Louis.  Federigos had 34 in the second half and 23 straight Emory points to pull them out of an 18 pt deficit--they could have used him in the OT's though, he fouled out with two to go in regulation and only played 28 minutes. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on February 13, 2006, 03:02:08 PM
UAA Standings

Carnegie Mellon  8-3
NYU  7-4
Rochester  7-4
Washington  7-4
Chicago  6-5
Brandeis  5-6
Emory  2-9
Case  2-9
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2006, 03:14:54 PM

That last game of the year with Rochester in Pittsburgh may be for the title.  Of course a lot can happen, but it seems like they are charging hard at each other.  I never thought Rochester would get back in it, but they've done well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bamm on February 13, 2006, 04:32:42 PM
What are the tiebreakers? 

If Rochester beats CMU and NYU beats Wash U ( and they hold serve otherwise) then there will be three-way tie between Rochester, CMU, and NYU, with every team splitting their games against the other.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2006, 04:37:58 PM

I don't know the tiebreakers.  I was counting on WashU beating NYU.  I just think NYU doesn't have the experience to handle this kind of pressure late in the season. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on February 13, 2006, 05:06:34 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 13, 2006, 04:37:58 PM

I don't know the tiebreakers.  I was counting on WashU beating NYU.  I just think NYU doesn't have the experience to handle this kind of pressure late in the season. 

This group of NYU players might not have experience contending for a UAA title, but they do have playing experience. Jared Kildare, their floor general, is a senior. And three of the other starters are juniors: Jason Boone, Mike DeCorso and Matt Basford. Chael Clark, one of their top reserves, is also a junior. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on February 13, 2006, 06:21:47 PM
Quote from: bamm on February 13, 2006, 04:32:42 PM
What are the tiebreakers? 

If Rochester beats CMU and NYU beats Wash U ( and they hold serve otherwise) then there will be three-way tie between Rochester, CMU, and NYU, with every team splitting their games against the other.

I was wondering the same thing, I can look into what the tiebreakers are and get back to you.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 13, 2006, 06:25:38 PM
Tiebreakers, in this order:

1: head-to-head among all tied teams,
2: best record vs. remaining finishers from top to bottom,
3: best record in road conference games,
4: coin flip.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 13, 2006, 06:28:30 PM
Well, hugenerd beat me to the punch.  And the coin flip has happened, most recently with the women in 2001.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 13, 2006, 06:44:18 PM
For the purpose of this analyses I will assume CMU will lose at most 1 game of the last 3. Since the best that anyone can do is tie CMU for the top tiebreaker (since CMU has beaten all of the top 4 teams at least one time), the second tiebreaker is as follows currently:

CMU is 2-0 vs. WashU, 1-0 vs. Rochester, 1-1, vs. NYU
NYU is 1-1 vs. CMU, 1-1 vs. Rochester, 0-1 vs. WashU
WashU is 0-2 vs CMU, 1-0 vs. NYU, 1-1 vs. Rochester
Rochester is 0-1 vs. CMU, 1-1 vs. WashU, 1-1 vs. NYU

These are the scenarios, all dependent on how CMU does:

Scenario 1: CMU goes 3-0, they win the division

Scenario 2: CMU goes 2-1, the 3 2nd place teams must win all 3 in this case to get a share of the title.  This said, NYU and WashU play eachother, so one of them will eliminate the other.  Also, if CMU beats Rochester at the end of the season, they eliminate Rochester.  If NYU beats WashU and CMU beats Rochester and both NYU and CMU have the same record, CMU would get the tiebreaker since they are 4-0 against WashU and Rochester and NYU lost to both WashU and Rochester. If NYU beats WashU and CMU loses to Rochester and both NYU and CMU have the same record, CMU still gets the tiebreaker since they are 3-1 against WashU and Rochester and NYU is 2-2. If WashU is the only school to tie CMU atop the standings, CMU wins the tiebreaker since they are 2-0 vs. WashU.  If CMU ties with Rochester, they win the tiebreaker since CMU was 3-1 vs. WashU and NYU and Rochester was 2-2.

If CMU loses more than one game the scenarios are numerous and I will not do them.

In summary, if the top 4 schools in the UAA stay the same as they are now (CMU, NYU, WashU and Rochester) and CMU either goes undefeated or only loses 1 game, they still hold all tiebreakers and thus cannot be caught (someone check this because I am not 100% sure but according to my calculations this is correct, this also changes if one of the top 4 schools changes, for example if Chicago enters the top 4, which is not likely since they play both NYU and WashU, but it is possible).  This is due to either the first or second tiebreaking criteria (and mainly a function of CMU going 2-0 vs WashU and all the other top schools splitting against eachother).

Thus, unless something extreme happens, CMU must lose 2 of its last 3 games to have a chance of losing the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 13, 2006, 06:48:02 PM
One last note, for the 3rd tiebreaker, if it gets there, CMU only has 1 road loss, while Rochester has 3, NYU has 3, and WashU has 3.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 13, 2006, 11:57:58 PM
Another stat I found interesting, Carnegie Mellon has given NYU, Rochester, and WashU their only home conference losses this season. These 3 teams are a combined 16-0 vs. the rest of the UAA (including eachother) and 0-3 vs. CMU in their respective home gymnasiums.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2006, 08:45:32 AM

Way to go hugenerd, above and beyond with the statistical analysis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 14, 2006, 10:06:29 AM
How about Tyler Nading the prospective and my probable UAA rookie of the year?

22nd in the UAA in scoring with 9.6.
6th in the UAA for field goal % at .527
13th free throw % at .689

And one of the best defenders in the UAA. The best defender on Wustl's team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Bba11man on February 15, 2006, 02:47:35 AM
Who's gonna be all UAA this year with the parity the league has shown? Maurer and Boone are locks for first team I'd say, along with kildare, barlow-wilcox, stone, and ruths probably on first team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: TheFence on February 15, 2006, 07:57:07 AM
I think Mauer, Wilcox and Boone for sure.  Gildare should be a lock but some times point guards get overlooked.  After that it's up in the air but I would take the Kid from Rochester Onyiriuka and Deluca from Brandeis over Stone and Ruths. 

Player of the year is between Boone, Barlow-Wilcox and Mauer in my book.   Maurer is more flashy and maybe more talented but the Wilcox kid never takes a break. Becasue Barlow-Wilcox and Mauer will split some votes my guess is that Boone will get it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 15, 2006, 08:58:37 AM
I think it depends on who wins the conference.  If NYU wins then it will be Boone, if CMU it will probably be Maurer (his numbers are at or higher than Wilcox's in every category in conference except for steals and FG%).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: TheFence on February 15, 2006, 09:04:31 AM
You're probably right.  I guess I just don't like how Maurer disapperas for stretches of games, while Wilcox plays hard every second. I would agree he is the most talented player in the league and from what your telling his numbers back it up.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: cmubobcat on February 15, 2006, 10:38:22 AM
Carnegie Mellon basketball returns to the airwaves this weekend on WRCT 88.3 FM Pittsburgh and online at www.wrct.org.  The games can be heard online through the regular station streams at the top of the WRCT home page.

Friday, Feb. 17:  Tartans @ Emory
6:00 Women
8:00 Men

Sunday, Feb. 19:  Tartans @ Case Western
1:00 Men
3:00 Women
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 15, 2006, 12:52:04 PM
Quote from: TheFence on February 15, 2006, 07:57:07 AM
I think Mauer, Wilcox and Boone for sure.  Gildare should be a lock but some times point guards get overlooked.  After that it's up in the air but I would take the Kid from Rochester Onyiriuka and Deluca from Brandeis over Stone and Ruths. 

Ferderigos from Emory should definately get consideration for I guess, second team. Simply becasue I can't find a place for him in first team. He is "oh so nasty" and takes over games. He scored 23 straight of his teams points in the game vs. Wash U. this past weekend, and it wasn't because he wanted to be like Kobe.

Ruths is an offensive power and a defensive guru. And Scott Stone is the best shooter in the UAA, as a shooting guard averages 3.50 assists, and is second to Ferderigos in steals. I would have to have one of the two on my 1st team.

And isn't it Kildare, not Gildare? And I agree with him as a lock.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Bba11man on February 15, 2006, 05:33:06 PM
i've been impressed at sometime this year with every team in the UAA, almost every team seems to have a player they can go to when they're down: washu either ruths or stone, emory ferderigos (or hall now that he's back), case-oren or lafe (even though he doesn't start), carnegie maurer or wilcox (even though everyone can score), brandeis de luca or rexhepi, nyu boone or kildare, roch i guess you could say Onyiriuka, chicago really doesn't have anyone.  all those guys can shoot or get a shot on their own whenever they need to. actually, it's kind of surprising chicago has an above .500 record without any threats like that, talent wise they might have the least in the league, what they seem to have is size and that's about it. then again they play nyu, brandeis and washu to end the season.  every other team though, it's been fun to watch some of their individual players go off at different times this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on February 15, 2006, 05:56:14 PM
One of the better players in the UAA who nobody has mentioned is Marques Johnson of Carnegie Mellon. He might be the most underrated player in the conference. He is a very solid all-around ballplayer. He can shoot outside, has a good midrange game and can post up smaller defenders. He is also a good defender and a pretty good rebounder. He's averaging 13 points, 5.2 rebounds and 3.64 assists per game. Plus, he's shooting .569% from the floor. All told, he's among the league leaders in seven statistical categories. And those categories don't take his defense and toughness into account.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 15, 2006, 10:20:10 PM
Marques is a very good player and was exceptional in high school.  He also has the healthiest head of hair of anyone in all of DIII. He has gotten a shot this year and is taken full advantage of it.  He also gets a lot more looks and mismatches than he would on almost any other team, though, because CMU has so many threats and Wilcox and Maurer draw so much attention.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: username1111 on February 15, 2006, 10:44:50 PM
Out of Carnegie Mellon, NYU, Wash U, and Rochester, who has a chance to host a regional? Does anyone? I know the system is different this year, but I don't quite understand.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2006, 09:26:26 AM

It will all depend on where they are sent.  I could see CMU getting sent East.  I doubt WashU will host because of how deep the region is.  NYU isn't getting too much love either, but they or Rochester could host if the end up winning out and some other teams in the East lose.  CMU would be a good option for the NCAA, because they could bring teams from Eastern PA and from Ohio to try and even some of the brackets out... I doubt the NCAA cares enough about fairness to do it though.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on February 16, 2006, 09:27:29 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 15, 2006, 10:20:10 PM
Marques is a very good player and was exceptional in high school.  He also has the healthiest head of hair of anyone in all of DIII. He has gotten a shot this year and is taken full advantage of it.  He also gets a lot more looks and mismatches than he would on almost any other team, though, because CMU has so many threats and Wilcox and Maurer draw so much attention.

I can second that Marcus as the best hair in all of D3. He's had it corn-rowed most of the year but I think he should bring back the afro that he sported last year. Another note about Marcus is the fact that he had very limited minutes for the Tartans his first 3 years on the team. He has been a very nice surprise being able to perform so well this year with limited experience.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 16, 2006, 10:43:16 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 16, 2006, 09:26:26 AM

It will all depend on where they are sent.  I could see CMU getting sent East.  I doubt WashU will host because of how deep the region is.  NYU isn't getting too much love either, but they or Rochester could host if the end up winning out and some other teams in the East lose.  CMU would be a good option for the NCAA, because they could bring teams from Eastern PA and from Ohio to try and even some of the brackets out... I doubt the NCAA cares enough about fairness to do it though.

I doubt Carnegie will host, unless the NCAA doesn't care about venues.  Skibo Gymnasium may report a capacity of 1100, but that is with like 500 of those people standing up.  It is a nice floor but in my opinion it isn't a great place to hold a tournament, only one side of the court has bleachers that they pull out.  Then again I dont know how they choose locations.

If I had to rate gymns in the UAA, I would put WashU first, Chicago second, Rochester 3rd, and NYU 4th.  Case and Carnegie have similar gymns but Case has a lower ceiling so I would but CMU at 5th and Case at 6.  Emory and Brandeis both play their games in these big athletic complexes where they have curtain dividers, which I hate, so I will put them at the bottom.  Due to the fact that Emory has the crappiest floor (with about 50% dead spots), I would put Brandeis at 7 and Emory at 8.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on February 16, 2006, 10:47:15 AM
The attendance at the CMU-Case game was 1500 and that was with students standing about 7 rows deep on the one end of the floor. Maybe if they moved a bunch of portable bleachers into both end zones they might be able to handle 2000. Its a HUGE maybe though.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2006, 11:23:07 AM

There are no restrictions on hosting for the first two rounds this year.  The restrictions come in at sectionals, if your team makes it that far.  Then the minimum capacity is 1000, but they also take into consideration issues of travel and geography as well as the area's ability to house people.  I think CMU makes sense at least for the first two rounds.  No need to look ahead to sectionals until you earn the trip.

However, as I said before, just because CMU makes sense, doesn't mean the NCAA will do it, in fact it probably hurts their chances.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 16, 2006, 01:20:44 PM
I wasn't jumping ahead, I just didnt know the rules.  Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2006, 03:03:41 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 16, 2006, 11:23:07 AM

There are no restrictions on hosting for the first two rounds this year.  The restrictions come in at sectionals, if your team makes it that far.  Then the minimum capacity is 1000, but they also take into consideration issues of travel and geography as well as the area's ability to house people.  I think CMU makes sense at least for the first two rounds.  No need to look ahead to sectionals until you earn the trip.

However, as I said before, just because CMU makes sense, doesn't mean the NCAA will do it, in fact it probably hurts their chances.

There may be restrictions, we just don't know until they assign some regionals. I would think that schools that have not been allowed to host first-round games in the past (Mary Washington comes to mind for men, though women might be permitted to host) would not be allowed to host regionals.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2006, 03:04:46 PM

Ok, I'll ammend that; there are very few restrictions on the first round games, certainly far less than sectionals.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2006, 03:44:08 PM
I would assume the additional stage-level seating should be sufficient for CMU to host.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: cmufan on February 16, 2006, 04:36:03 PM
I know for a fact Carnegie Mellon has done the paperwork to host playoff games if the chance arises.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: username1111 on February 16, 2006, 10:59:44 PM
Thanks for the thoughtful answers!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 16, 2006, 11:52:40 PM
Quote from: bouttime on February 16, 2006, 09:27:29 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 15, 2006, 10:20:10 PM
Marques is a very good player and was exceptional in high school.  He also has the healthiest head of hair of anyone in all of DIII.

I can second that Marcus as the best hair in all of D3. He's had it corn-rowed most of the year but I think he should bring back the afro that he sported last year.

The best head of hair is Cameron Williams off the bench for Washington University. He wore a fro in the beginning of the year, but now its so big he's pulling it back to a pony tail when its not cornrows.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 16, 2006, 11:57:51 PM
Quote from: BlakcMajikc on February 16, 2006, 11:52:40 PM
Quote from: bouttime on February 16, 2006, 09:27:29 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 15, 2006, 10:20:10 PM
Marques is a very good player and was exceptional in high school.  He also has the healthiest head of hair of anyone in all of DIII.

I can second that Marcus as the best hair in all of D3. He's had it corn-rowed most of the year but I think he should bring back the afro that he sported last year.

The best head of hair is Cameron Williams off the bench for Washington University. He wore a fro in the beginning of the year, but now its so big he's pulling it back to a pony tail when its not cornrows.

I dont understand how that is any different than what we were talking about with Marques.  I also have never been a big fan of guys with ponytails.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on February 17, 2006, 06:44:43 PM
Perhaps if CMU and WashU need a tie breaker they could have someone judge who has the best hair to determine the winner.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 17, 2006, 09:53:02 PM
NYU loses, WashU wins.

CMU losing and Rochester losing currently, both have about 2 minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 17, 2006, 09:58:19 PM
Rochester down 4, CWRU shooting 2 with 48 s left.

A note on the CMU game, Nate Maurer fouled out with 18 minutes left after picking up a touch foul and then a technical, Wilcox fouled out with 4 minutes, CMU is in big trouble.  Game hasnt been the same since Maurer left (they were up 9) and they have been down by as much as 12 since then.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 17, 2006, 10:00:29 PM
Case up 6, Onyiruka fouls out with 34 s left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 17, 2006, 10:00:58 PM
Case up 4 with the ball, 27 s left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 17, 2006, 10:03:17 PM
22 s left, Case up 6
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 17, 2006, 10:04:27 PM
10 s left, Case up 7 shooting 2
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 17, 2006, 10:11:07 PM
Final in Cleveland:

Case 51, Rochester 43

That's the lowest-scoring game, men or women, at Case since 2000.  The Spartans win their first UAA home game in over two years and avenge a close loss at Rochester earlier this season.

CMU is next, on Sunday.  Can the Spartans do it again?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on February 17, 2006, 10:13:40 PM
Thanks for the updates, hugenerd.  Are you switching to the CMU game now?  All I get is (for lack of a better term) music when I try to tune it in via the web.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 17, 2006, 10:17:33 PM
Yeah, it stopped working with like 2 minutes left, when CMU was down 10, so I dont know what happened.  I would assume they lost by how the game was going but I dont know for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 17, 2006, 10:24:42 PM
CMU falls, its official.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 17, 2006, 10:29:04 PM
New League rankings.

CMU, WashU 8-4   CMU holds tiebreaker (2-0 head to head)
NYU, Rochester, Chicago 7-5

Now there are a lot of interesting scenarios.

CMU still holds their own destiny (somehow) so if they win their last two, they win regardless of anyone else.  If CMU loses one of two, they still have a good chance if WashU falls to NYU on sunday. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 17, 2006, 10:32:36 PM
So we have five teams all within a game of each other.  CMU and Wash U are tied for the league lead at 8-4, while Rochester, Chicago, and NYU are all 7-5.  Remaining games are as follows:

CMU: Case, Rochester
Wash U: NYU, Chicago
Rochester: Emory, CMU
Chicago: Brandeis, Wash U
NYU: Wash U, Brandeis

In the unlikely event that CMU and Wash U both lose out, Chicago and NYU both beat Wash U but lose to Brandeis, and Rochester loses to Emory but beats CMU, we have a five-way tie at 8-6.  What is likely, though, is that the UAA championship hinges greatly on both the Wash U/ Chicago and CMU/ Rochester games a week from tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: username1111 on February 17, 2006, 10:48:01 PM
Note on the NYU-Chicago tilt, from the box score:
New York, NY (Coles Sports Center)  Attendance: 2137
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 17, 2006, 11:28:21 PM
Quote from: sandman on February 17, 2006, 10:32:36 PM
So we have five teams all within a game of each other.  CMU and Wash U are tied for the league lead at 8-4, while Rochester, Chicago, and NYU are all 7-5.  Remaining games are as follows:

CMU: Case, Rochester
Wash U: NYU, Chicago
Rochester: Emory, CMU
Chicago: Brandeis, Wash U
NYU: Wash U, Brandeis

In the unlikely event that CMU and Wash U both lose out, Chicago and NYU both beat Wash U but lose to Brandeis, and Rochester loses to Emory but beats CMU, we have a five-way tie at 8-6.  What is likely, though, is that the UAA championship hinges greatly on both the Wash U/ Chicago and CMU/ Rochester games a week from tomorrow.

Dont forget about the WashU/NYU game on sunday.  That one looks pretty big to as well (technically they are all big at this point).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 18, 2006, 02:22:58 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 17, 2006, 11:28:21 PM
Dont forget about the WashU/NYU game on sunday.  That one looks pretty big to as well (technically they are all big at this point).

Right, what I meant was that it would come down to those two games on the last day.  A Wash U win over NYU would eliminate the Violets, but an NYU win would pull the teams even.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on February 18, 2006, 02:27:13 PM
I watched the Chicago @ NYU game last night. The Maroons won, 62-60, but NYU almost pulled it out after trailing the entire game. NYU trailed 62-58 when Matt Basford was fouled on a three-point attempt with 3.2 seconds remaing. After making the first two free throws, he intentionally missed the third attempt and NYU's Mike Magee batted the ball into the corner where it was picked up by NYU point guard Jared Kildare, who missed a relatively unmolested three-pointer at the buzzer. It was a tough defeat for the Violets, but it was a game they really didn't deserve to win. Chicago had the opportunity to break the game wide open down the stretch, but they made a whole series of miscues that allowed NYU to make it a nailbiter.

Chicago is your typical UAA team. They have good outside shooters, physical big men who are fundamentally sound, a couple of good athletes, a pretty good bench, good ball movement and play good team defense.

It should be pointed out that NYU was without the services of Jason Boone, who missed the game with a foot injury. I don't know if he'll be available tomorrow against Washington University.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on February 18, 2006, 02:44:38 PM
Quote from: username1111 on February 17, 2006, 10:48:01 PM
Note on the NYU-Chicago tilt, from the box score:
New York, NY (Coles Sports Center)  Attendance: 2137

That figure might be a bit high, but it was the biggest crowd I can remember at Coles. There was some kind of promotion with the students. They were given T-shirts and free food and drinks (non-alcoholic, of course). The two main bleachers were filled, plus they opened the bleachers under the basket at the west end, which they rarely do, and they were packed as well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on February 19, 2006, 10:51:59 AM
Hopefully the NYU students match the crowd this afternoon.

NYU vs. Wash U tips off at 12:00 PM on D3hoopsNet (http://www.broadcastmonsters.com/d3football/d3basketball021906-1.asx)

Five teams enter the day within 1 game of first place including these two.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 19, 2006, 01:12:35 PM
We've got a barn-burner in New York!  Wash U leads 53-49 with four minutes to play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 19, 2006, 01:19:17 PM
Washington 55, New York 51, :37.3 2nd
NYU ball after a timeout.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 19, 2006, 01:24:37 PM
Washington 55, New York 53, :30 2nd

Wash U shoots 1-and-1.

Both free throws are good.

NYU shoots an air ball.  Rebound (and 2 FTs) to Wash U.

Score is 57-53 with :18.3 to play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 19, 2006, 01:33:14 PM
Washington 63, New York 59, Final

The Bears were able to finish off the Violets at the free throw line, despite two late threes for the home team.  Wash U improves to 9-4 while NYU falls to 7-6 and is eliminated from title contention.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 19, 2006, 01:37:48 PM
Halftime in Cleveland:

Carnegie Mellon 42, Case 37
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2006, 01:42:21 PM
Halftime at Auerbach Arena:

Brandeis 34, Chicago 30
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 19, 2006, 02:11:18 PM
emory beats UR 78-66
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 19, 2006, 02:14:00 PM
Case rallied to tie it after being down 9, but CMU's Nate Maurer just hit a 3 (so far he has 26 points and Case has no answer for him).

At a timeout:
Carnegie Mellon 65, Case 63, 7:56 2nd
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 19, 2006, 02:27:57 PM
CMU leads 74-70 with 1:24 to play.   Can Case pull this one out at home?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2006, 02:29:28 PM
Final from Auerbach Arena:

Brandeis 68, Chicago 51
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 19, 2006, 02:30:08 PM
CMU missed the front end of a 1-and-1.

Mason Conrad scored a layup in transition for Case.

Kozak is back on the line for CMU.  The shot's no good, but CMU got the rebound.

Timeout, CMU with the ball and a 2-point lead, :43 to go.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 19, 2006, 02:38:27 PM
Nate Maurer is on the line shooting 2.
First shot is good.  Second shot is good.  :35 to play.

Turnover, Rich Mullen was called for a double dribble, although it looked like an interrupted dribble.

Maurer is back on the line.  Both shots are good; he has 30 points.

After a miss by Case, Maurer was fouled in transition.
He missed both shots with :07 left.  Timeout for Case.

Carson Oren made a quick 3.  Matta is fouled with :02.8.
Both shots are good.

Final score: Carnegie Mellon 80, Case 75

So Wash U will win the UAA if and only if they beat Chicago on the road and CMU loses to Rochester.  In any other situation, CMU wins the title.  All other teams are now eliminated.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 20, 2006, 11:49:03 PM
Looks like it will be a fun saturday in the UAA.  Both the WashU/Chicago game and the CMU/UR game will be played at the same time (4 EST, 3 CT) so nothing will be decided until both games are over at about 6pm.  CMU still controls their own destiny since they swept WashU in the season series, they just need to take care of Rochester at home, something they could not do last year at Rochester to win the league (although they did beat UR at Rochester this year behind 41 from Nate Maurer, 31 in the second half).

A note on the league in general, there is much more parity in the league this year than last.  CMU's conference record from a year ago, 10-4, will get them the conference title this year, whereas last year they were 2 games out of the top spot.  Also, there 4 teams one game above or below .500.  Overall, every team but two have winning records and the other two have marks of 11-13 (due to being 5 games and 7 games below .500 in the league, respectively).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: cmubobcat on February 21, 2006, 03:43:49 PM
Carnegie Mellon's only sports talk radio show, "Sportsline," takes to the airwaves tonight at 10:00 on WRCT.  Listen at 88.3 FM Pittsburgh or over the regular streams at www.wrct.org.

Tartan fans and UAA fans, you are all welcome to join in on the discussion of the upcoming weekend in the UAA, as the first half of "Sportsline" is always dedicated to Tartan talk and UAA hoops discussion.

Call 412-621-9728 to join in on the discussion, or to complain about missing the first ten minutes of the Case game on Sunday.

To all the Tartan fans on the d3 boards, including hugenerd and theFence, we'd love to hear from you!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 21, 2006, 06:26:12 PM
Ill try to get there, I have a game of my own to coach at 7.

If I cant make it, I hope its a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2006, 11:25:19 PM
Wasn't able to get the server to load -- streams.wrct.org was unavailable.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 21, 2006, 11:52:34 PM
I got back in time for the women's chat and the last 30 minutes of hoopsville.  Needless to say, I didnt stick around too long for the women's chat and listened to hoopsville the rest of the time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: TheFence on February 22, 2006, 08:02:24 AM
I was out of town and didn't get back online until just now.  Maybe next week. 

Huge game for the Tartans.  I would say it's the second biggest game in Coach Wingens coaching career behind last years season finale at Rochester.  We all know what happened last year so lets just hope Wingen and the boys can pull this one out.  Although I think their in win or lose.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 22, 2006, 11:48:11 PM
CMU drops to 6th in the GL in this weeks Regional Rankings.

Other UAA schools ranked include:

WashU at 7 in the Midwest
NYU at 3 in the East (Rochester dropped out after a 2 loss weekend, while NYU didnt move although they also lost 2 games).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 09:21:45 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 22, 2006, 11:48:11 PM
(Rochester dropped out after a 2 loss weekend, while NYU didnt move although they also lost 2 games).

Is the NYU injury major?  I can see the committee not dropping them too much if they'll be back at full strength right away?

Just a thought.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 23, 2006, 12:33:35 PM
I havent heard anything about the extent of injury, I guess we will find out this weekend when they play Brandeis.  If they want any shot they are going to have to take care of the Judges.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: TheFence on February 24, 2006, 10:44:23 AM
If Wash U, Rochester, and NYU all win this week-end.  Who gets in?

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2006, 11:08:31 AM
If it indeed plays out that way, then WashU is in with Pool A.  CMU would then be a very good bet for Pool C.  NYU is ahead of Rochester in the regional rankings, so I would give them an outside shot.  I don't think Rochester can get in, no matter what happens this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on February 24, 2006, 11:18:48 AM
If WashU and Rochester win, then WashU gets Pool A and we have to consider CMU for the Pool C bid.

Otherwise, WashU and NYU are in with a win, unless almost all of the teams ranked ahead of them lose in their conference tournaments.

Rochester is almost certainly out. They would have to leapfrog several teams in the Pool C standings, and it doesn't look very likely. If you're a UR fan, root for all the #1 seeds and against Catholic. It would also help if Utica loses its semifinal.

WashU, NYU, and CMU are all competitive with losses, depending on the number of upsets.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2006, 11:21:31 AM
Quote from: pabegg on February 24, 2006, 11:18:48 AM
If you're a UR fan, root for all the #1 seeds and against Catholic.

Why would you root against Catholic?  Wouldn't they just be another Pool C bubble team with a loss?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on February 24, 2006, 11:24:17 AM
Now that I think about it, Catholic is irrelevant. With a loss, they fall below Rochester, but with a win, they're Pool A, so either way, they're out of the mix.

So never mind about them. But keep rooting for the #1 seeds.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2006, 11:25:46 AM

I still don't think they have any chance.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: TheFence on February 24, 2006, 11:34:31 AM
Lets say Wash U, Rochester, and NYU win.

Could NYU and edge out CMU if the league only gets 1 Pool C bid.  I don't think so but NYU is 3rd in their region to CMU which is 6th or 7th and probably lower with a loss this week-end.

The UAA could get 1 team in or as many as 3 depending on how things unfold.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2006, 11:37:33 AM

CMU wouldn't be competing with NYU, most likely, so a head-to-head comparison isn't really applicable.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WBRSsports on February 25, 2006, 12:45:19 PM
If you can't make it to Waltham today, listen in to www.wbrs.org for the men's and women's action live on WBRS 100.1 FM
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on February 25, 2006, 05:52:29 PM
Wash U falls at Chicago 67-57.  Carnegie Mellon wins the UAA's auto bid while Wash U must now hope for a Pool C berth.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tartanfan on February 25, 2006, 06:18:06 PM
Carnegie Mellon 78  Rochester 68

Tartans win UAA title all alone.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 25, 2006, 07:55:12 PM
NYU falls big today to Brandeis, Rochester and WashU also fall, as mentioned earlier.  Whereas the UAA looked like it had at a shot at a couple Pool C's, it now looks like they may not get any.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 25, 2006, 08:01:46 PM
To extrapolate on what I said earlier, NYU fell apart at the end of the season without the services of All-League candidate Jason Boone.  The lost to WashU, Chicago and Brandeis to close out the season.  7 in region losses (all in the UAA) will most likely be too much to get Pool C consideration.  A similar argument can be made for the Rochester at 13-8 in region (7 losses in the UAA).  The only team that has a legitimate shot is WashU at 14-6 in region, although the loss to Chicago hurts.  It will depend on how many upsets there are today and tomorrow.  Disappointing end of the season for several UAA teams.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2006, 08:30:41 PM
I was at the Wash U @ Chicago game today, and the Bears certainly didn't play with a lot of urgency. You'd never get the impression that they were playing for a share of the UAA title, or for a possible tournament berth. The only Bear who really looked intense was Scott Stone, and he apparently felt that Wash U wouldn't be able to get to the big dance unless he took it upon himself to jack a 25-footer every time that he touched the ball. He went 0-9 from downtown for the day, 0-12 from the field in total, and laid a goose egg in the scorebook. It's a shame to see a senior who has had such a fine season become a liability in what will probably be his final game. Apart from a brief run led by Troy Ruths (11 pts) towards the end of the first half in which the Bears cut a Chicago lead from 12 points down to 4, it was all Maroons this afternoon. Mike Grunst was the only other Bear in double figures with 16.

Solid game by Chicago, especially seniors Clay Carmody (9 pts) and Jason Hicks (13 pts), and juniors Brandon Woodhead (13 pts) and Jesse Meyer (18 pts) also played well. Meyer went into the U of C record book for equaling the all-time best in number of treys made in a season. Good crowd of about 1,500, too.

As Hugenerd said, Wash U is very much on the bubble now. My guess is that they won't get a bid.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 25, 2006, 10:14:37 PM
Now that the regular season is over we can restart the conversation for player of the year, rookie of the year, and all conference first team.

My guess for player of the year is Nate Maurer (CMU). I think he should get the nod because his team won the conference, he is 3rd in scoring (lead most of the year but Ferdirigos and Deluca both passed him with huge games the last couple of weeks, but neither is on an over 0.500 conference team), is 4th in the conference in rebounding, and is ranked in blocks, 3Pt%, Assists, FG%, FT%, and 3p FG made.  Clayton Barlow Wilcox also has a shot, he averages 5 points less a game and slightly less rebounds per game in conference, but shoots about 2.5% higher than Maurer from the field and is ranked in steals.  I don't think anyone from another team really has a shot because they were not head and shoulders above the big two for CMU  that would warrant them being leage POY without winning the conference, like Derek Reich did his junior and senior year. I think in terms of stats and the fact that his team won the conference outright he should get it.

Rookie of the year could be Tyler Nading (WU), Sean Wallis (WU), or Johnny Pinto (EU).  I think it will be Nading for his scoring (23rd in conference), rebounding (17th in conference) and for his intense defense.

All conference could go to alot of people, here are my choices for every team, in no particular order:

Brandeis
1st team: Steve Deluca
Other teams: Florian Rexhepi, Joe Coppens, and Kwame Graves-Fulgham

CMU
1st team: Nate Maurer, Clayton Barlow-Wilcox
Other team: Marques Johnson (outside shot at 1st team), AJ Straub, maybe Bary Dunn

Case
1st team: Carsen Oren
Other teams: Funso Lafe, Mason Conrad, Matt Cannan

Chicago
1st team: most likely nobody
Other teams: Jesse Meyer, Brandon Woodhead, Jason Hicks, maybe Nate Hainje

Emory
1st team: Spiro Ferdirigos, (Jeff Hall if only 7 out 14 games is enough to qualify him)
Other teams: maybe Johnny Pinto or Eric Barvin

NYU
1st team: Jason Boone, Jared Kildare
Other teams: Michael Decorso, Matt Basford
(Daniel Falcon only played in 2 games so he wont qualify)

Rochester
1st team: Jon Onyiriuka
Other teams: Mike Goia, maybe Jeff Juron

WashU
1st team: Troy Ruths, maybe Scott Stone
Other teams: Mike Grunst, Tyler Nading

So by my estimation there are about 10 first team contenders and about 20 guys that could get either second team or honorable mention.  If your not familiar with the UAA, alot of times they just dont pick 5 players per team so it is possible to have like 7 guys on a first or second team and honorable mention is never just 5 guys but more like 10 or more from what I remember.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on February 26, 2006, 12:50:29 AM
Case defeated Emory in the season finale today, 89-78.  After the Spartans built an early 11-point lead, the Eagles came back and took the lead before halftime, and after the teams went back and forth early in the second half, Case slowly pulled away.

Carson Oren scored 17 points and pulled down a career-high 21 rebounds; he will graduate with totals of 1,563 and 727, the highest in school history.  Fellow seniors Rich Mullen and Funso Lafe also scored 17, while sophomore Mason Conrad added 14.  Jeff Hall scored 18 for Emory to lead everyone.  Case outshot Emory 60% to 36% for the game.

So Case finishes at 12-13 and 4-10 in the UAA.  The conference record doesn't look like much, but the Spartans have won more UAA games this year than the last two years combined.  (This was also the first time I saw both the men's and women's teams win on the same day since 23 January 2004 against Carnegie Mellon.)  The Spartans finish tied for seventh place with the Eagles.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Bba11man on February 26, 2006, 05:20:19 PM
all uaa 1st team-mauer, barlow-wilcox, deluca, boone, ruths, kildare, ferderigos-he's a good player but i don't think he's as good as the others, i think his numbers are inflated b/c of the team he plays on, they don't have many scorers. and i don't know that he's unstoppable, his 45 was very impressive, taking nothing away from him but, i believe he did have stone guarding him who is one of the worst defenders in the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 26, 2006, 05:24:14 PM
Well, I'm changing my mind on Wash U after going over the Pool C candidates with the proverbial fine-toothed comb. I now think that they'll make it in after all, but they'll be seeded pretty low.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 27, 2006, 12:11:04 AM
Looks like the UAA didn't get much respect with the late season stumbles by 3 teams (NYU, Rochester and WashU).  Hopefully CMU can represent as well as Rochester did last year, they definitely have the talent to if they play together.

Go Tartans!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on February 27, 2006, 09:50:18 AM
CMU is going to need to play very well to advance through the first 2 rounds. They have to play maybe the 2nd or 3rd best team in ohio in the first round and then potentially the best team in ohio (wittenburg) in the second round. CMU's tough road schedule including 7 in a row on the road during the regular season should play off now that they are in the tournament. The other advantage I see for CMU is the fact they arent playing someone in conference who knows everything that they are goin to run. I think they will be able to jump on people because they wont have a real good idea of what CMU is goin to do.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: username1111 on February 27, 2006, 03:55:25 PM
I thought CMU would get to host, but hopefully they prove themselves on the court.

Anyone know why NYU, Rochester, and Brandeis are all absent from the ECAC brackets? Is the UAA not participating this year? It seems hard to believe that they all simply were not selected.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 27, 2006, 03:59:05 PM
CMU was in the South tourney last year, Rochester and NYU may have just turned down their bids.  I know the NESCAC schools in New England do not play in the ECAC tourneys anymore.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2006, 04:26:19 PM

I'm not sure all the UAA schools even put their names in for consideration.  I doubt Brandeis at 14-11 would have been selected anyway.  Rochester's AD is on the Upstate committee, so I would guess they turned a bid down.  I'm not sure about NYU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on February 27, 2006, 06:34:31 PM
NYU/UR most likely turned down ECAC bids. I know several other teams with good records (Johns Hopkins) declined to participate.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: username1111 on February 27, 2006, 08:32:34 PM
That's a shame, in my opinion, although the format of the ECACs is uninspiring, with lots of lousy teams in each bracket. Don't know why the coaches wouldn't want to give their kids a few extra games, especially the seniors.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2006, 09:36:42 AM
Quote from: username1111 on February 27, 2006, 08:32:34 PM
That's a shame, in my opinion, although the format of the ECACs is uninspiring, with lots of lousy teams in each bracket. Don't know why the coaches wouldn't want to give their kids a few extra games, especially the seniors.

It might be for one of two reasons:

1) The coach doesn't want his players playing the season with a "fallback" option. 

2) The schools have to pay their own way for everything in the ECAC, while the NCAA covers transportation and per diems for their tourney.


Why would a competitive school (UAA or Hopkins for example) waste precious Athletic Department funds to go to a tournament with no competition.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on February 28, 2006, 01:32:40 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 28, 2006, 09:36:42 AM
Quote from: username1111 on February 27, 2006, 08:32:34 PM
That's a shame, in my opinion, although the format of the ECACs is uninspiring, with lots of lousy teams in each bracket. Don't know why the coaches wouldn't want to give their kids a few extra games, especially the seniors.

It might be for one of two reasons:

1) The coach doesn't want his players playing the season with a "fallback" option. 

2) The schools have to pay their own way for everything in the ECAC, while the NCAA covers transportation and per diems for their tourney.


Why would a competitive school (UAA or Hopkins for example) waste precious Athletic Department funds to go to a tournament with no competition.

2 very good points. I dont understand why as a player or coach you wouldnt want to keep playing though. It just doesnt make sense to me.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: cmubobcat on February 28, 2006, 04:21:36 PM
Tune in to "Sportsline" tonight at 10 PM on WRCT for discussion of Friday nights's Carnegie Mellon vs. Baldwin-Wallace matchup and a preview of this weekend's regional at Wittenberg.

Listen at 88.3 FM Pittsburgh or online at www.wrct.org.  Call 412-621-9728 to join in on the discussion.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Bba11man on February 28, 2006, 07:01:49 PM
all conference teams are out. Interesting, no guards on the first team, but then again the big men on this roster definitely deserve their spots.  only 1st teamer who may have been slighted is kildare from the guard spot i think. congrats to all of them.

First Team
Clayton Barlow-Wilcox Carnegie Mellon 6-4 F Sr. Brookline, MA (Brookline)
Jason Boone New York 6-6 C Jr. Sugar Loaf, NY (Warwick Valley) † Player of the Year
Steve DeLuca Brandeis 6-6 F So. Merrimack, NH (Merrimack)
Nate Maurer Carnegie Mellon 6-7 F Sr. Pittsburgh, PA (Linsly School) † Player of the Year
Jon Onyiriuka Rochester 6-7 C So. Painted Post, NY (Corning-Painted Post West)
Carson Oren Case 6-4 F Sr. South Bend, IN (Marian Catholic)
Troy Ruths Washington 6-6 F So. Sugar Land, TX (Stephen F. Austin)

Second Team
Michael DeCorso New York 6-4 F Jr. Freehold, NJ (Colts Neck)
Spiros Ferderigos Emory 6-1 G So. Oldsmar, FL (Berkeley Preparatory)
Marques Johnson Carnegie Mellon 6-4 F Sr. Pittsburgh, PA (Upper St. Clair)
Jared Kildaire New York 5-11 G Sr. Mount Vernon, NY (Fordham Prep)
Funso Lafe  Case 6-0 G Sr. Chesterland, OH (Hawken)
Florian Rexhepi Brandeis 6-0 G So. Skopje, Macedonia (Phillips Exeter)
Scott Stone Washington 6-1 G Sr. St. Louis, MO (MICDS)
Brandon Woodhead Chicago 6-2 G Jr. Lincoln, NE (East)

Honorable Mention
MBrandeis: Kwame Graves-Fulgham; Carnegie Mellon: A. J. Straub; Case: Matt Cannan, Mason Conrad; Emory: Jeff Hall, Johnny Pinto; 
Chicago: Jesse Meyer; Rochester: Joe Canty , Mike Goia, Jeff Juron; Washington: Tyler Nading.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on February 28, 2006, 07:12:27 PM
CMU's Coach Tony Wingen was also named UAA Coach of the Year today for the second straight year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 28, 2006, 08:46:55 PM
Nate Maurer was named Co-Player of the year with Jason Boone.

Congrats Nate
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on March 01, 2006, 12:55:34 PM
Clayton Barlow Wilcox was name Third Team Cosida Academic All-America.

Congrats Clayton
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: cmubobcat on March 03, 2006, 10:18:23 AM
It's tournament time on WRCT Radio!

6:00 tonight: Carnegie Mellon vs. Baldwin-Wallace

Listen live at 88.3 fm Pittsburgh or online at www.wrct.org.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2006, 10:18:50 AM
Good luck to CMU, I'm hoping for the win tonight, especially with all the B-W fans out there who've got them going to the Sweet 16.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sandman on March 03, 2006, 04:16:45 PM
I've got to pull for CMU as well, even though B-W is a local team (Case didn't play them this year).  Interestingly enough, this is the first season since at least 2000-01 that the Case men have beaten an NCAA tournament team, and they beat two (CMU and Bethany).

Go Tartans (you won't hear me say that too often)!  Do the UAA proud!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 03, 2006, 05:40:46 PM
Talk about no respect...the Wittenberg tourney page lists BW's opponent as Carnigie-Mellow!!
http://www4.wittenberg.edu/news/athletics/mbasketball/06ncaaChampionships/index.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2006, 09:23:19 AM

A good showing for CMU, nothing to show for it, but B-W is a tough team.  It's too bad the UAA has no one else to root for.  That last weekend really mucked things up.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2006, 10:03:00 AM
Quote from: cwru70 on March 03, 2006, 05:40:46 PM
Talk about no respect...the Wittenberg tourney page lists BW's opponent as Carnigie-Mellow!!
http://www4.wittenberg.edu/news/athletics/mbasketball/06ncaaChampionships/index.html

What was he smoking???  :o  :-\ :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 06, 2006, 06:05:29 PM
I see they got it right for the final score at least.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on March 15, 2006, 02:24:16 AM
Congratulations to Nate Maurer for getting second team all region.  Anyone that has ever gotten a chance to see him play regularly knows that he should be a first team member, but second team is a great honor as well in the extremely competitive great lakes region (to compare, the other Co-UAA player of the year, Jason Boone, was named East region player of the year). 

Coach Tony Wingen was also named GL region coach of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on June 09, 2006, 06:59:29 PM
Chicago anounced its recruits - three incoming, all from the Chicago area.  Press release is at:
http://athletics.uchicago.edu/news0506/mbk-newcomers-060806.htm

Pancratz comes from a basketball family.  His father Andy went to DePaul and helped bring the team back to prominence along with Dave Corzine.  DePaul had been in the dumps.  Ray Meyer convinced Pancratz (a 6-9 all stater at Hersey High School) to come to DePaul in 1972.  His teammate at Hersey, Dave Corzine, came to DePaul two year later.  DePaul made the NCAA tournament (then 32 teams) in 1976.  After that, Mark Agguire, Terry Cummings, etc.

The two older Pancratz  brothers both play D1 - Andy at Wisconsin-Milwaukee and Zach at Northern Illinois.  His brothers went to college for free so I guess they can shell out for Jake.  Andy and Zach led Schaumburg to a state championship in 2001 - beating Thornwood with Eddy Curry in the championship game.  Jake took Schaumburg downstate this year but they lost in the quartefinals.

Marek Kowalewski (Burbank, Ill./ Reavis) was a two-time all-conference selection for Reavis High School. The 6'6" Kowalewski averaged 14.5 points and 8.0 rebounds per game as a senior. A three-time letterwinner, Kowalewski graduated fifth in his class.

Jake Pancratz (Hoffman Estates, Ill./ Schaumburg) garnered third-team all-state honors and was a two-time all-area and all-conference pick for Schaumburg High School, which notched a 21-8 record and an IHSA Elite Eight appearance in 2006. A two-year team captain and MVP and four-year member of the SHS honor roll, the 6'1" Pancratz averaged 14 points, three rebounds, and three assists during his senior campaign.

John Kinsella (Chicago, Ill./ U. of Chicago Lab School) received special mention all-state and first-team all-conference accolades as the University of Chicago Laboratory School posted an 18-7 record this past season. The 6'4" Kinsella averaged 19 points, six rebounds, and four assists per contest in 2005-06 en route to being selected team MVP for the second straight year.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 09, 2006, 08:07:35 PM
Daily Dose readers got the names a couple weeks ago, just FYI.

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=184#comment-3164
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 09, 2006, 08:51:41 PM
martin:
Re: Pancratz.  That is great that he chose U of C and great for U of C as well.  Just curious, though - did he not get attention from some of the DI schools and/or did he not want to follow in his other brothers' footsteps at one of their schools and perhaps wanted to blaze his own way in college and/or did he just prefer the "upper level" of DIII?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on June 20, 2006, 06:57:26 PM
Pat - I saw the post on the Daily Dose.  I thought that when Chicago officially announced its class, it would include some kids from outside the Chicago area.  Last year, only 2 of the 16 kids on the UofC roster were from Illinois.  It was a surprise to me when the announcement just included the three kids from the Chicago area.

fprmer3db - I plan on posting to the CCIW board to get some more information on Pancratz.  There has been some posting there about him already - with suggestions that he is Chicago's best recruit since Derek Reich.  I want to find out more about the decision making process of a kid like Pancratz and others like him.  He is arguably the best informed (about the demands and abilities of the various levels of collegiate hoops) D3 recruit is some time.   
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on June 20, 2006, 07:44:30 PM
This was on the chicagohoops site -

Glenbrook North Star Jon Radtke Decides To Play College Basketball For Case Western Reserve University

His last names is mispelled - should be Radke.  First name is usually Jonathan,  He is 6-5  210. 

A strong team that won the Illinois championship in 2005 and and lost in the quarterfinals to the eventual champion this year.  The star, 6-6 guard Jon Scheyer, is off to Duke.  The other forward,  Tyler Cullitan, is heading to Lawrence. A guard from the 2005 GBN championship team, Sean Wallis, played 18 minutes a game for Wash U last season.  Zach Kelly, the center, will be joining him at Wash U this fall.  The other starter, guard Matt Shamis, is off to Lehigh.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on June 20, 2006, 07:51:10 PM
Pretty interesting for so many members of that team to be in the UAA...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 21, 2006, 07:49:50 AM
It's pretty predictable, actually. Glenbrook North is one of the premier high schools in the state, if not the entire midwest. Their average test scores are through the roof. Glenview and Northbrook are towns where everyone has a lot of money, and where funding state-of-the-art schools is considered to be an investment in the future of their children.

Kids from north suburban schools such as Glenbrook North, Glenbrook South, New Trier, Lake Forest, Deerfield, etc., tend to end up at places like Stanford, Northwestern, Bucknell, Colgate, the Ivies ... and the UAA schools. Since D3 athletics come much closer to being a natural extension of the student body than is the case on the scholarship levels of intercollegiate sports, it's only logical that UAA schools would find student-athletes at Glenbrook North and its neighboring high schools.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on June 22, 2006, 08:19:54 AM
hmmmm, well I would assume that more of those players would go Ivy league then....I wouldnt assume that d3 fits so many of them. similarly, I dont think that Wash U in particular is always able to continuously recruit from one school. And, because one of their players is playing for Duke (and because they won the state title two years ago), then they all have had national exposure....I think that Patriot league and Ivy league would be where these students look to play. 3 of their starters playing in the same league out of a possible 15+ other schools (based on the schools you listed and the patriot league), I still think is interesting.... but I agree Glenbrook North is trying to become a feeder school into the UAA in many sports.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on June 22, 2006, 08:51:15 AM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on June 22, 2006, 08:19:54 AM
hmmmm, well I would assume that more of those players would go Ivy league then....I wouldnt assume that d3 fits so many of them. similarly,

I would say that d3 would fit the majority of  Glenbrook North students.  I graduated from Hinsdale Central where over ninety percent of the students with a Red Devil diploma go on to graduate from a four year colege or university.  Let's say that the top 35% of Glenbrook North students go to Stanford, Bucknell, the Ivy League.  Let's also say that 15% of the kids can't hack it in higher education.  (Correct me if I'm wrong but I think both percentages I have used are generous, meaning I think that less than 15% of the student body couldn't get through college).  That leaves fifty percent of the student body, or more, to draw student athletes, whose parents are loaded. 

Division III as a whole needs to market it self to these parents who want to "invest" in their children's future.  Am I wrong, doesn't the average division III school provide a much better ecucation than the average division I university?

My own personal experience illustrates this.  My cousin went to Glenbrook North and I Hinsdale.  We are the same age.  He was considered a better student than me our entire childhood.  He even skipped a grade in grade school.  I graduated with less than a C average from high school.  He went to Universtiy of Kentucky and I went to Coe College.   I graduated with a B.A. and he never got a degree.   :-\

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 22, 2006, 09:04:49 AM

Yes, I'm sure that is scientifically verifiable.


Although, I totally agree with you.  D1 sucks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 23, 2006, 02:46:21 AM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on June 22, 2006, 08:19:54 AM
hmmmm, well I would assume that more of those players would go Ivy league then....I wouldnt assume that d3 fits so many of them. similarly, I dont think that Wash U in particular is always able to continuously recruit from one school. And, because one of their players is playing for Duke (and because they won the state title two years ago), then they all have had national exposure....I think that Patriot league and Ivy league would be where these students look to play. 3 of their starters playing in the same league out of a possible 15+ other schools (based on the schools you listed and the patriot league), I still think is interesting.... but I agree Glenbrook North is trying to become a feeder school into the UAA in many sports.

You're assuming that Ivy League and Patriot League schools were recruiting those various Glenbrook North players aside from Shamis, which may not be the case. Also, being Jon Scheyer's teammate doesn't necessarily translate into "national exposure". The schools that were recruiting Scheyer (Duke, Illinois, Michigan State, etc.) are national D1 powerhouses who would never take a second look at Cullitan, Kelly, Radke, Shamis, or Wallis. The Ivies and Patriots do look at schools such as Glenbrook North on an annual basis, because high-powered academic bastions such as the high schools on the North Shore are more likely to produce students that are Ivy or Patriot material, academically speaking, than other places. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they'll recruit every player that comes out of those schools.

I saw Glenbrook North play several times over the past couple of seasons (all on TV), and it was pretty apparent that Scheyer's teammates were D3 material: Good, not great, high school players who are fundamentally sound and most likely have the grades, the test scores, and the financial wherewithal to attend a private D3 school. In fact, I'm rather surprised that Shamis is going to Lehigh, as I didn't think he was all that and a bag of chips.

Also, I don't know if it's necessarily a case of Wash U being able to "continuously recruit from one school." Bears recruit Zach Kelly (GNHS class of '06) and current Bears PG Sean Wallis (GNHS class of '05) are cousins. It's quite likely that the family relationship made it easier for the Wash U coaching staff to recruit Kelly.

Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on June 22, 2006, 08:51:15 AMI would say that d3 would fit the majority of  Glenbrook North students.  I graduated from Hinsdale Central where over ninety percent of the students with a Red Devil diploma go on to graduate from a four year colege or university.  Let's say that the top 35% of Glenbrook North students go to Stanford, Bucknell, the Ivy League.  Let's also say that 15% of the kids can't hack it in higher education.  (Correct me if I'm wrong but I think both percentages I have used are generous, meaning I think that less than 15% of the student body couldn't get through college).  That leaves fifty percent of the student body, or more, to draw student athletes, whose parents are loaded.

Exactly. But remember that this is the UAA we're talking about, not just any D3 league. Academically speaking, schools such as Chicago, Case Western, and Wash U are well above the norm for D3. The Ivies and the Patriots are the UAA's peers when it comes to the classroom, not their superiors. I think it's just as likely that someone graduating in the top 35% at Glenbrook North or Hinsdale Central would attend the U of C instead of Stanford, Bucknell, or Princeton.

Your story about your cousin who went to Kentucky is interesting, and also familiar on one level. The valedictorian of my high school class was a good friend of mine, and he went to Harvard on a full ride while I came out to the midwest and attended North Park.

Four years later I ran into him at a party when I was back home. He said to me, "You know, Greg, in retrospect, I suspect that you got a better education than I did."

I was astonished. I said, "Mike, how can you say that? You went to the most prestigious school in America, while I went to a tiny liberal arts college in Chicago that nobody's ever heard of!"

He replied, "Yeah, but every single one of your classes was taught by a tenured professor, right? And your classes were probably all very small, and I'll bet that your profs knew you by name and may have even become your friends, right?"

"Yeah," I said. "That's pretty much exactly what college was like for me."

Mike said, "I never even met a professor until my junior year. All of the core-curriculum classes I took as an underclassman were taught by TAs, and all of my teacher/student interaction was with TAs. A lot of my classes were taught in one auditorium or another, and included hundreds of students. The only interaction I ever had with a prof was with my major advisor, and he barely gave me the time of day. I was a nuisance who cut into his research time, just like all of his other major advisees. And just in terms of general academic atmosphere, it was clear that the focus and energy of Harvard's educational scope was more devoted to graduate students than to undergraduates. We were more of an afterthought.

"Harvard was a great experience in that it exposed me to lots of intelligent peers and an incredible array of resources, and it gave me both the resume boost and the personal connections that will allow me to succeed in life. I'm glad that I went there. But I'm also pretty sure that you got a better education than I did."

I've never forgotten that conversation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on June 23, 2006, 08:29:55 PM
I believe that d3 schools are superior to ivy and other d1 schools in many cases (in terms of academics).  I chose a UAA school for undergrad over an ivy (CMU for engineering) and I chose another dIII school for grad school over Princeton, Stanford and Berkeley.  If you go by classroom alone, dIII's more than hold their own against dI schools and, in most cases, they are smaller schools that are more conducive to learning.  DIII was also a great choice for me because I got to coach a year, which I would not have been able to do at the other schools I mentioned.

I think student-athletes would much rather go to a dIII school in most cases because not only do you get a great education but a lot more playing time.  Obviously dIII schools can't compete with Stanford or Duke when it comes to getting athletes, but I think most players would rather go play at a dIII then sit the bench at a dI.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on June 24, 2006, 01:27:31 AM
"being Jon Scheyer's teammate doesn't necessarily translate into "national exposure"."
I completely disagree... When Coach K's assistants come to watch a player, I'm sure that the coaches of other institutions also come and watch...therefore national exposure. That's like telling me that Greg Paulus' teammates did not get national exposure. And we are talking about the Illinois State title (thats national exposure in itself). Whether or not they were recruited by Ivy's etc... I know that at least a couple of them were, but that's not my point.

Also, we are talking about the Ivies and the Patriot League...The Patriot League isn't that good.

coocooforcoekohawk...i didnt understand what your story related to...although I understood the reasoning behind the statistics. However, I was talking about the student athletes in particular, not the student body as a whole.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 24, 2006, 06:58:53 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on June 24, 2006, 01:27:31 AM
"being Jon Scheyer's teammate doesn't necessarily translate into "national exposure"."
I completely disagree... When Coach K's assistants come to watch a player, I'm sure that the coaches of other institutions also come and watch...therefore national exposure. That's like telling me that Greg Paulus' teammates did not get national exposure. And we are talking about the Illinois State title (thats national exposure in itself). Whether or not they were recruited by Ivy's etc... I know that at least a couple of them were, but that's not my point.

Irrelevant. Were Cullitan, Kelly, etc., good enough to be recruited by D1 majors? No. Did the "coaches of other institutions" (I presume you're talking about D1 majors aside from the ones that had a serious shot at Scheyer -- Duke, Illinois, and Michigan State) bother to look twice at Cullitan, Kelly, etc.? No.

Those guys aren't good enough to play for a D1 major. The so-called "national exposure" that came with being Scheyer's teammates didn't do them a lick of good, because it wasn't "national exposure" for them. They're now going to schools that play at a level suited to their talents, schools that annually recruit at Glenbrook North even when there isn't a McDonald's All-American on campus to draw everyone's attention from coast to coast.

Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on June 24, 2006, 01:27:31 AMAlso, we are talking about the Ivies and the Patriot League...The Patriot League isn't that good.

Never said it was. Never said that the Ivy League is that good at basketball, either. Both are really only a notch above the best D3 leagues. But, as I said, both recruit at schools such as Glenbrook North as a matter of course, because of the academic aspect. And I still think that Shamis probably won't amount to much in the Patriot League.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on June 24, 2006, 08:19:13 PM
Of course the coaches at other institutions are from the same teams I have consistantly talked about...the Ivies and the Patriot League (etc.). Of course I'm not talking about D1 majors (referring to UNC, Illinois, Wake Forest and oher NCAA powerhouses). I am referrring to those teams "really only a notch above the best D3 leagues." The national exposure I'm referring to is giving a midwest player the opportunity to be recognized as a prospect by East Coast schools (Patriot League for example). Being on the same team as Scheyer definately gave them the opportunity to play for major academic institutions on the East Coast. Although as we see they decided to go to "schools that annually recruit at Glenbrook North," playing with an All-American brings great opportunity. Expsure is definately relevant is this discussion.

Because the Ivy and Patriot League aren't that good, this gives the players of Glenbrook North an opportunity to play for DI institutions if they had decided to...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 26, 2006, 03:51:51 AM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on June 24, 2006, 08:19:13 PM
Of course the coaches at other institutions are from the same teams I have consistantly talked about...the Ivies and the Patriot League (etc.). Of course I'm not talking about D1 majors (referring to UNC, Illinois, Wake Forest and oher NCAA powerhouses). I am referrring to those teams "really only a notch above the best D3 leagues." The national exposure I'm referring to is giving a midwest player the opportunity to be recognized as a prospect by East Coast schools (Patriot League for example). Being on the same team as Scheyer definately gave them the opportunity to play for major academic institutions on the East Coast. Although as we see they decided to go to "schools that annually recruit at Glenbrook North," playing with an All-American brings great opportunity. Expsure is definately relevant is this discussion.

No, it isn't. As I said, Patriot and Ivy teams scout and recruit Glenbrook North and the other CSL schools every year as a matter of course, due to the academic aspect. Scheyer's presence, and the success of Glenbrook North, was irrelevant. The Ivies and the Patriots would've taken a gander at Shamis and his teammates even if Jon Scheyer had decided to become a hockey player as a kid rather than a basketball player.

In other words, this particular version of "national exposure" is something that occurs at Glenbrook North and other CSL schools annually as a matter of course, and had nothing to do with Scheyer.

Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on June 24, 2006, 08:19:13 PMBecause the Ivy and Patriot League aren't that good, this gives the players of Glenbrook North an opportunity to play for DI institutions if they had decided to...

That's exactly my point. Recruiting for Ivy and Patriot teams takes place on an entirely different level, and with a completely different set of criteria, than that of the D1 majors. Because of that, Scheyer and the attention he drew meant absolutely nothing to Shamis, Kelly, Cullitan, Wallis, and Radke in terms of their futures. They were recruited by, or at least looked at by, precisely the types of schools that would've recruited them or looked at them even if Scheyer had not been on the team: Ivies, Patriots, UAAs, etc.

It's stretching it a bit to say that they each could've played for an Ivy League or Patriot League team "if they had decided to," though. Not everybody gets into one of those schools, even if they do get into a UAA school (the reverse is also true). And I'm sure that each of those players didn't get a firm offer from the coaching staff of one of those Ivy or Patriot schools. The Ivies and Patriots are only a notch above the best D3 leagues, as I said, but that doesn't mean that they're interchangeable with D3. They're still a little bit better, and the caliber of players that they bring in (on average, with a certain amount of overlap) is better than what you'd find on most good D3 rosters.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on June 26, 2006, 03:25:41 PM
Ok, then the root of this discussion is that I disagree that Ivy's heavily recruit from the midwest..I'm a resident of the East Coast, and Darthmouth and Yale are primarily the only teams with Midwesterners consistantly on their rosters.

I am talking basketball here...pure basketball and not academic recruiting. I don't agree that "Patriot and Ivy teams scout and recruit Glenbrook North...every year as a matter of course, due to the academic aspect." You said and other CSL schools...but the point of the conversation was not CSL schools in general (it was previously established that in general. CSL schools are excellent schools). To say that the success of Glenbrook North was irrelevant is crazy....Google Sean Wallis and basketball, and the high school headlines that appear are because of success.

"The Ivies and the Patriots would've taken a gander at Shamis and his teammates even if Jon Scheyer had decided to become a hockey player as a kid rather than a basketball player."

A gander is different than a hard look.

"In other words, this particular version of "national exposure" is something that occurs at Glenbrook North and other CSL schools annually as a matter of course, and had nothing to do with Scheyer."

This particular exposure that we are talking about is basetball exposure, not academic exposure, and in reference to Glenbrook North (not "other CSL schools").

Next time read the whole quote "an opportunity to play for D1 institutions if they had decided to..."
In other words, they had an opportunity to play for D1institutions in the Patriot/Ivy League etc. Success draw attention no matter what the level of recruiting. Your premise for the schools looking at them is based on academics, I am saying that in addition to academics, success on the court (which can be translated into wins and stats etc.) helps draw a longer look from recruiters.

A better explanation than assuming that Ivy's would look at these kids anyway is a solid explanation why each player went where they went. (which after looking into each player, I found that out myself (and someone else had mentioned that Kelly and Wallis were cousins etc.). I am not convinced that D3 was a natural extension for each of these student-athletes...instead I have found that each school (whether d1 or d3) compliments each of those Glenbrook players.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on June 26, 2006, 04:06:29 PM
Wydown,

I can only speak based on my experience with Illinois Wesleyan recruits, but it seems to me that the Ivy and Patriot League schools recruit the Midwest pretty hard.  IWU goes head-to-head for recruits every year with Chicago and Wash U, and quite often those kids have Ivy/Patriot schools after them as well.  (Patriot more so than Ivy.)

Going back a few years, Kyle Wente (Effingham St. Anthony H.S. - IL) seriously considered both IWU and Chicago before deciding on Princeton.  D3hoops.com All-American Adam Dauksas (Homewood-Flossmoor H.S. - IL) was recruited hard by Colgate and Chicago.   Marc Daniels (Waubonsie Valley H.S. - IL) selected Colgate over IWU and others.  IWU just landed Hersey H.S. product Sean Dwyer, who had 2 Patriot League schools recruiting him.  Zach Kelly (Glenbrook North H.S.) chose Wash U over IWU and a couple Patriot Leaguer schools.   

In a Hoopsville interview from this past season, I believe former IWU head coach Scott Trost spoke about this topic actually:

http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/coachscorner.htm

I think those leagues recruit the Midwest more than you think.  I also agree with Greg that playing with Jon Scheyer didn't bring those Glenbrook North kids any national exposure that actually impacted who recruited them.  Those are kids who the Chicago's, Wash U's, IWU's, Lawrence's, Patriot's, etc would be after regardless simply due to their combination of academic/athletic abilities.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 26, 2006, 04:57:29 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on June 26, 2006, 03:25:41 PM
I am talking basketball here...pure basketball and not academic recruiting.

I think that's where you're a little off.  Ivy's have to recruit based on academics, even for athletes, because of the high academic standards.  It's pretty much the same with the UAA schools.  Generally, athletes who have the sort of grades to get into UAA and Ivy League schools are picking a school based on academics.  For neither party is athletics the first priority.  Sure, the kid wants a school that can compete and the school wants a player who will benefit the program, but academics have as much to do with it, if not more, than athletics.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 27, 2006, 01:50:49 AM
The Ivies and the Patriots scout the CSL schools every year, Wydown. However much you want to believe that they were there because of Scheyer, or because Glenbrook North went downstate in back-to-back seasons, it just isn't true. Scheyer was not on their radar, anyway, so his presence was not germane to the Lehighs, the Cornells, and the Lafayettes. They were there to see his teammates, not him -- just as they are every year.

You may live on the East Coast, but I live within a 45-minute drive of each of the high schools in the CSL, including Glenbrook North. I know plenty of people from those schools. I know people who teach at those schools. I know students who've played there, parents who send their kids there, and coaches who recruit there. Two friends of mine who played for North Park are teachers and assistant basketball coaches in that league. I took education classes at North Park with a guy who is now a head coach in that league. I know that league, and I know which schools typically recruit there.

As Titan Q has told you, there's nothing at all unusual about coaches from the Ivies and Patriots recruiting in Illinois. And it's no secret that coaches from the Ivies and Patriots are there in the stands every year at CSL games, because: 1) the caliber of basketball is good in that league; 2) the schools are top-notch, some of the best public high schools in the country, in fact, and the students that they produce tend to be of the academic strata sought by such exclusive universities; and 3) the parents of those CSL ballplayers can afford to send their kids to an exclusive school if they don't get a free ride.

Jon Scheyer had nothing to do with this "national exposure" for the Glenbrook North kids. They would've been seen by Ivy League and Patriot League coaches anyway. And there's nothing at all strange about a Glenbrook North player like Matt Shamis going to Lehigh to play basketball. He most likely would've been recruited by them even if his high school team hadn't been wildly successful, because he fits the profile of what the Mountain Hawks are typically looking for in a prospect -- a strong basketball player who isn't quite good enough to get a scholarship to play for one of the top 100 or 150 programs in D1, but who is good enough to play in their league and (most importantly) has the academic background to succeed in the classroom at a demanding institution of higher learning.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on June 27, 2006, 06:26:49 PM
Thanks for the input -- and back to the origin of the conversation....therefore it is interesting that three of these players are in the UAA now...and my diction was "interesting" simply because of the ambiguity of the word. All of you guys helped to exemplify my point that these players probably had an opportunity to go D1 prestigious (meaning not a D1 major)...now even if my reasoning for them having this opportunity D1 was wrong (and that is an "if") then it is still "interesting" that 3 out of 6 players (that we were talking about) went UAA.

--and btw, i live in both the Midwest (aka the wydown reference) and the East Coast, so I'm pretty much grounded in the two college regions (of the midwest and northeast).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on June 27, 2006, 08:51:42 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on June 27, 2006, 06:26:49 PM
--and btw, i live in both the Midwest (aka the wydown reference) and the East Coast, so I'm pretty much grounded in the two college regions (of the midwest and northeast).

I wondered about that.  When you said you lived on the East Coast, I figured your posting name was just a sign of allegiance to Wash U. that only locals would understand.  I used to live on Delmar just uphill from the Loop, although I was never more than just a neighbor of Wash U.  Whenever I see your posting moniker I am filled with wistful nostalgia.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on June 27, 2006, 11:35:25 PM
lol, yeah definately an insider reference...its good to know someone else caught the moniker. I'm a Wash U fanatic when im in the midwest and an Army fan when in the Northeast, but I have tried to "diversify my portfolio" recently and hit up local d3 conferences (such as the SLIAC and Empire 8 etc) when I get a chance.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 28, 2006, 01:53:12 AM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on June 27, 2006, 06:26:49 PM
Thanks for the input -- and back to the origin of the conversation....therefore it is interesting that three of these players are in the UAA now...and my diction was "interesting" simply because of the ambiguity of the word. All of you guys helped to exemplify my point that these players probably had an opportunity to go D1 prestigious (meaning not a D1 major)...now even if my reasoning for them having this opportunity D1 was wrong (and that is an "if") then it is still "interesting" that 3 out of 6 players (that we were talking about) went UAA.

We don't know that they all had an opportunity to go to an Ivy League or Patriot League school. We know that one of them did, and opted to accept the offer (Shamis), and we know that another one (Kelly) was recruited by at least one of those prestigious D1 schools. And "recruited" doesn't mean "accepted into," of course, although since Kelly was able to get into Wash U he certainly had more than a fair chance of being accepted into a Patriot or Ivy school as well.

Perhaps more of those Glenbrook North players were recruited by schools from the two D1 prestige conferences. But I haven't seen any links to newspaper websites or recruiting websites that spell that out.

I still don't think it's all that interesting that Wallis, Radke, Cullitan, and Kelly all ended up in the same college league. The UAA is a logical place for a good-but-not-great CSL player to end up. In fact, it may be the most logical place. I can think of two other CSL alumni who played basketball in the UAA last season: Nick Nikitas of New Trier (Wash U) and Jason Vismantas of Highland Park (Chicago). And Chicago's class of '03 superstar Derek Reich, the only four-time UAA Player of the Year in conference history, was also an alumnus of the CSL (Niles West).

Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on June 27, 2006, 06:26:49 PM--and btw, i live in both the Midwest (aka the wydown reference)

I guess that to understand that reference you have to know something about St. Louis. I don't, other than the fact that I hate its baseball team.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on June 28, 2006, 02:15:08 AM
"ll of you guys helped to exemplify my point that these players probably had an opportunity to go D1 prestigious"

ambiguity is a part of ingenuity...and i know that more of these players did have an opportunity

besides that, none of the players you mentioned were on the same h.s. btw, which was the whole point...

well i still think that its interesting...3 out of 6 (not 4/6) from the same h.s. team to prestigious schools in the same league...but i guess that's why personal opinions are personal and relative.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 28, 2006, 05:02:13 AM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on June 28, 2006, 02:15:08 AMambiguity is a part of ingenuity

???


Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on June 28, 2006, 02:15:08 AMand i know that more of these players did have an opportunity

Proof, please. Let's see a link to back that statement up.

I'm not saying that it isn't necessarily true. But I want to see the proof.

Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on June 28, 2006, 02:15:08 AMbesides that, none of the players you mentioned were on the same h.s. btw, which was the whole point...

Given the likelihood of a good CSL player ending up in the UAA, I'd classify the choice of three Glenbrook North teammates to attend UAA schools as something other than "interesting." But, I agree, the word "interesting" is completely subjective.

Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on June 28, 2006, 02:15:08 AM...3 out of 6 (not 4/6)

Yes, I don't know why I momentarily forgot that Cullitan was going to Lawrence instead of a UAA school.

Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on June 28, 2006, 02:15:08 AMto prestigious schools in the same league

That doesn't really need to be said about UAA schools. All of the UAA schools are prestigious.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on June 28, 2006, 11:32:50 AM
interesting...i think its interesting..u dont...its ambiguous.
There is nothing available to the public that can prove it...sorry.

Nevertheless, the academic correlation argument would be imput here to make up for the lack of information.

because i didn't specify UAA as the league, i said presitigious schools instead...As a Wustl fan, I believe UAA and prestige are comparable.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 28, 2006, 11:37:24 AM

I'm not even sure what the argument here is anymore?

Wasn't the original point of contention that Duke's interest in a Glenbrook Borth player would naturally raise the interest level of other D1 schools to other players on the team?

I thought (maybe I'm wrong) that Wydown conceeded that the Ivies were already looking at these guys to begin with.

Is there something else I'm missing?

Did other D1 schools who don't normally recruit primarily on academics offer to these guys?

I'm lost.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on June 29, 2006, 01:02:01 AM
No, the original argument was that the 3/6 players went to the UAA and that it was interesting to me. Someone disagreed with me and argued that "national exposure" was irrelevant. But, my point was that the players had an opportunity to go to other places outside of D3 and UAA. Others disagreed with how they would have received that opportunity (and in fact if they received the opportunity at all).

I have not conceeded anything?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 29, 2006, 02:22:48 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 28, 2006, 11:37:24 AM

I'm not even sure what the argument here is anymore?

Wasn't the original point of contention that Duke's interest in a Glenbrook Borth player would naturally raise the interest level of other D1 schools to other players on the team?

Actually, as Wydown said, the original point of contention (note italics) was that three guys from the same high school team going to the same league struck him as "interesting," while it didn't really strike me as "interesting" at all. Since we both agree that "interesting" is about as subjective a term as there is, it really isn't a point of contention anymore.

The main point of contention is the one that you raised: Whether or not Jon Scheyer's presence on that Glenbrook North team played any role in his teammates' receiving "national exposure" (i.e., scouting and/or recruiting from the Patriot and Ivy leagues, or from any other D1 schools, for that matter). He continues to say "yes," although I maintain that Titan Q and I have definitely proven that academically prestigious D1 programs on the East Coast not only regularly recruit in Illinois, they also take a keen interest in the CSL because of the combination of basketball talent and academic standards in that particular high school league -- and that, furthermore, the fact that the interest in Scheyer was coming from a completely different level of D1 than the Patriot and Ivy leagues demonstrates that the future Dookie's presence had absolutely nothing to do with the Patriots and the Ivies looking at Shamis and Kelly and (if applicable) the other Glenbrook North players.

Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 28, 2006, 11:37:24 AMI thought (maybe I'm wrong) that Wydown conceeded that the Ivies were already looking at these guys to begin with.

No, as he said he hasn't conceded anything (although in post #502 he at least seemed to entertain the possibility that he might be wrong). As far as I can tell he's still of the mind that Scheyer's prominence and the team's two trips downstate had something to do with Shamis and Kelly (and possibly other Glenbrook North players) drawing attention from the two academically prestigious D1 leagues. Given the facts at hand, and my (and Q's) familiarity with Chicagoland high school basketball as opposed to his, I think Wydown is arguing a case that he's already lost.

Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 28, 2006, 11:37:24 AMDid other D1 schools who don't normally recruit primarily on academics offer to these guys?

No evidence of non-Patriot/Ivy D1 schools making an offer to Scheyer's teammates has been presented -- nor has any evidence of non-Patriot/Ivy D1 schools even considering Scheyer's teammates been presented. And that's an omission that leaves a pretty big hole in Wydown's "national exposure" case, since he hasn't rebutted the assertion made by Q and I that academically prestigious D1 schools recruit players like the Glenbrook North players in question annually as a matter of course. In other words, there's no evidence of an exception, or of anything out of the ordinary, in terms of who recruited Shamis, Kelly & Co. -- and therefore no evidence that Jon Scheyer's presence in their lives had any sort of an impact whatsoever in how they were recruited to play college basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 29, 2006, 08:47:33 AM

Gotcha, thanks for the update.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on June 29, 2006, 01:40:11 PM
pretty good summary

yeppers so argument over....and btw its a "she"
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 30, 2006, 01:52:53 AM
Oops. My apologies.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on July 03, 2006, 01:25:19 PM
lol...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on August 18, 2006, 11:09:37 PM
The latest US News rankings are out.  UofC went from 14 to 9 - turns out they were not giving accurate information to US News for the past few years.  Chicago has been very critical of the rankings so did not cooperate fully.  I guess the pressure of a sliding ranking - behind Wash and Northwestern - finally got to them.

Here are the UAA members (all ranked in National Universities):
9 Chicago
12 Wash
18 Emory
21 CMU
31 Brandeis
34 NYU, Rochester
38 CWRU

Potential UAA members (D3 and top rated National Universities):
4 Cal Tech, MIT
16 Hopkins
27 Tufts
42 RPI
44 Yeshiva

Should drop out of D1 and join the UAA:
17 Rice
44 Tulane

Tufts, RPI and Yeshiva are not members of the Association of American Universities ("an association of 62 leading research universities in the US and Canada").  I thought that was a requirement of UAA members.  Emory did not join the AAU until 1995.  UAA was formed in 1986.  Brandeis joined the AAU in 1985 - everyone else was also in.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 22, 2006, 12:33:17 PM


New Princeton Review rankings are out.  U of C was ranked #1 in "Best Academic Undergraduate Experience"  Pretty nice honor.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on September 07, 2006, 07:19:31 PM
Rusty Loyd has left Chicago.  Mike McGrath's assistant and former Maroon guard is taking the head coaching position at IIT (Illinois Institute of Technology - an NAIA school also on the south side of Chicago).

Taking over for Rusty is Jarred Samplesm formerly an assistant at Southwestern.  He pkayed at Dallas, graduating in 2001.  Link to the press release is at:
http://athletics.uchicago.edu/mensbasketball/mbk.htm

You have to go to that page to see a pic of Jarred - there is none on the actual press release.


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on September 12, 2006, 09:50:31 PM
The Chicago men are in Italy right now.  They won their first game 88-60.  Tour coverage is at:
http://athletics.uchicago.edu/mensbasketball/mbk-italytrip06.htm
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on November 01, 2006, 01:04:06 PM
Carnegie Mellon kicks off the 2006-07 season with an exhibition game against University of Pittsburgh tonight at 7:30. Perhaps the Tartans can give Pitt another run for their money. Reguardless of the outcome, it will be a great experience for the players.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on November 01, 2006, 07:39:26 PM
Quote from: martin on August 18, 2006, 11:09:37 PM
Should drop out of D1 and join the UAA:
17 Rice
44 Tulane

Oh man, from your lips to Scott Cowan's ears!  But I'm afraid that ship has sailed, since the school did a complete "reevaluation" of their athletic programs about 3 years ago and decided to stay D1A.   :'(

David Collinge, Law '04
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on November 01, 2006, 08:22:30 PM
Pitt is leading CMU 48-17 at halftime. It is very obvious that Pitt is the number 5 team in all the land while CMU is a very young team. CMU is playing very hard but I think they are shooting well under 20% from the floor. We'll see what happens the rest of the way.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on November 02, 2006, 07:50:10 AM
Pittsburgh 103
Carnegie Mellon 45

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on November 13, 2006, 10:22:58 PM
The coaches' poll is up -

1. NYU (4)  44  1-1-1-1-2-2-4 
2. Rochester (1)  40  1-2-2-2-2-3-4 
3. Brandeis (2)  37  1-1-3-3-3-3-5 
    Washington (1)  37  1-2-2-3-3-4-4 
5. Chicago 27  3-4-4-4-4-5-5 
6. Emory 18  5-5-5-5-6-6-6 
7. Carnegie Mellon  13  5-6-6-6-6-7-7 
8. Case 8  6-7-7-7-7-7-7


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on November 13, 2006, 10:31:12 PM
In the D3 Hoops Poll, three UAA teams got votes:

30  Rochester (62)
50  Chicago  (11)
60  Washington (3)

No mention of the UAA favorite, NYU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 14, 2006, 01:07:04 AM
NYU has disappointed too many Januarys and Februarys to get my vote.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 14, 2006, 09:08:08 AM

Martin you have nine sevens on that poll.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on November 14, 2006, 12:02:57 PM
Hoopsfan -

Either the UAA screwed up or one coach did not put anyone third - there are only seven 3's.  There should be eight of each 1 through 7.

The UAA page with the rankings is at:
http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Weekly_Sport_Updates/MHOOPS_Update.html

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on November 14, 2006, 12:11:07 PM
Opening weekend schedule

Friday, Nov. 17

Babson College/Irving Oil Tournament
First round: Washington vs. Vassar College           
7:30 p.m.

Brandeis Tip-Off Tournament (First round)
Brandeis vs. Newbury College
Colby-Sawyer College vs. Springfield College
6:00 p.m./8:00 p.m.

Case Alumni Association Tip-Off Tournament (first round)
Marietta College vs. Thiel College
Case vs. Medaille College
6:00 p.m./8:00 p.m.

University of Rochester/Chuck Resler Tournament (first round)
SUNY Geneseo vs. Lake Erie College
Rochester vs. Ithaca College
1:00 p.m./8:00 p.m.

West Penn Classic
Carnegie Mellon at Washington & Jefferson College
8:00 p.m.

Saturday, Nov. 18

Emory at Mercer College (GA)           
7:00 p.m.

Washington at Babson College/Irving Oil Tournament
Consolation/Championship           
1:00/3:00 p.m.

Brandeis University Tip-Off Tournament
Consolation/Championship
1:00/5:00 p.m.

Case Alumni Association Tip-Off Tournament
Consolation/Championship
2:00/4:00 p.m.

University of Rochester/Chuck Resler Tournament
Consolation/Championship
1:00/8:00 p.m.

New York University Tip-off Tournament (first round)
NYU vs. Alfred University
Moravian College vs. Emerson College
1:00 p.m./3:00 p.m.

University of Chicago/Midway Classic (first round)
Chicago vs. US Coast Guard Academy
DePauw University vs. Earlham College
6:00 p.m./8:00 p.m.

West Penn Classic
Carnegie Mellon vs. Grove City College (@ Meadville, PA)
6:00 p.m.

Sunday, Nov. 19
 
New York University Tip-off Tournament
Consolation/Championship
1:00/3:00 p.m.

University of Chicago/Midway Classic
Consolation/Championship U
1:00/5:00 p.m.

All times local
 



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on November 15, 2006, 08:26:13 PM
The CMU game on Nov. 17th has been moved to 10pm. They still are opening up against W&J.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: maxpower on November 16, 2006, 10:39:17 PM
Anyone headed to IC-UR tomorrow night?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 30, 2006, 07:52:11 AM
Once again, the UAA men's title race looks to be wide open-- anyone of 5 teams could take it (NYU, Brandeis, Wash U, Rochester, Chicago), with the youth of defending champion Carnegie Mellon working against the Tartans this year.

Of course, on Saturday CMU can say otherwise.  CMU plays Rochester to open up UAA play, and we will have a good indicator as to the two teams relative strength in a head to head.

Congratulations to Brian Meehan on his 200th career victory.  I'm sorry that I was not able to see the Brandeis victory at Babson on Tuesday, but it is a challenge as a Brandeis fan now to have to support 2 very good basketball teams (men and women!),   Which game to choose when the two teams are away at two game sites?  I hope that I can get to Amherst to support the Brandeis men on the 9th of December, but I don't want the WNEC women to pull off a surprise upset in Springfield if I decide to go to Amherst instead.  Decisions, decisions.....

Tonight, though, Brandeis plays UMass-Dartmouth back home at Auerbach, and Coach Meehan will try to get a winning record at Brandeis for the first time in a while.  A win tonight puts Coach Meehan with 41 wins and 40 losses coaching the Judges.  (Coach Meehan had 160 career victories at Salem State.)

The Brandeis frosh are meshing very well with the returning players.  Frosh Terrell Hollins already won a UAA Player of the Week award for his performances against Suffolk and (then #12) Tufts.  Kenny Small is performing well, and Rich Magee is not doing too badly in the starting lineup, to name a few.

It is also good to see other UAA teams doing well against teams in the top 25 or getting top 25 votes.  NYU defeated York (NY) on Monday, and yesterday, I heard Omar on GoMaroons!  calling the play-by-play as Chicago defeated Wheaton (IL) of the CCIW by 4.  Wash U barely lost to Augustana (CCIW) on the road.

Of course, I would not be surprised if one day, I turn onto GoMaroons audio, and Omar decides to start the Chicago game webcast with either the Champions League theme music or the Fox Soccer Channel's Premiership theme.  To paraphrase Colonel K from the DangerMouse cartoon of the 1980's-- "Ah, good show, Omar!"
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on November 30, 2006, 11:53:04 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on November 30, 2006, 07:52:11 AM
Once again, the UAA men's title race looks to be wide open-- anyone of 5 teams could take it (NYU, Brandeis, Wash U, Rochester, Chicago), with the youth of defending champion Carnegie Mellon working against the Tartans this year.

Of course, on Saturday CMU can say otherwise.  CMU plays Rochester to open up UAA play, and we will have a good indicator as to the two teams relative strength in a head to head.

Congratulations to Brian Meehan on his 200th career victory.  I'm sorry that I was not able to see the Brandeis victory at Babson on Tuesday, but it is a challenge as a Brandeis fan now to have to support 2 very good basketball teams (men and women!),   Which game to choose when the two teams are away at two game sites?  I hope that I can get to Amherst to support the Brandeis men on the 9th of December, but I don't want the WNEC women to pull off a surprise upset in Springfield if I decide to go to Amherst instead.  Decisions, decisions.....

Tonight, though, Brandeis plays UMass-Dartmouth back home at Auerbach, and Coach Meehan will try to get a winning record at Brandeis for the first time in a while.  A win tonight puts Coach Meehan with 41 wins and 40 losses coaching the Judges.  (Coach Meehan had 160 career victories at Salem State.)

The Brandeis frosh are meshing very well with the returning players.  Frosh Terrell Hollins already won a UAA Player of the Week award for his performances against Suffolk and (then #12) Tufts.  Kenny Small is performing well, and Rich Magee is not doing too badly in the starting lineup, to name a few.

It is also good to see other UAA teams doing well against teams in the top 25 or getting top 25 votes.  NYU defeated York (NY) on Monday, and yesterday, I heard Omar on GoMaroons!  calling the play-by-play as Chicago defeated Wheaton (IL) of the CCIW by 4.  Wash U barely lost to Augustana (CCIW) on the road.

Of course, I would not be surprised if one day, I turn onto GoMaroons audio, and Omar decides to start the Chicago game webcast with either the Champions League theme music or the Fox Soccer Channel's Premiership theme.  To paraphrase Colonel K from the DangerMouse cartoon of the 1980's-- "Ah, good show, Omar!"

Another good win for the UAA, in my opinion, was the beatdown Chicago put on Coast Guard.  I am a UAA alum but now live in the NE region, and after watching alot of NEWMAC games last year, I can impartially say that CGA is one of the two best teams in the NEWMAC (they are returning all their best players from a team that got third in the NEWMAC last year).  Hopefully that, along with Brandeis demolishing Springfield and handling Tufts (who was ranked top 12 at the time and is a top team in the NESCAC), will give the UAA some respect from the NE voters.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on December 01, 2006, 02:05:17 PM
other who were at the brandeis game last night against umass dartmouth may disagree, but from listening to the babson game and watching last nights, i witnessed much more sloppy play then i saw against then number 12 tufts. UMD seemed to be the most athletic team brandeis has faced in their 6-0 run, but again brandeis had the height advantage as they will in many games out of conference. the judges have a quick transition offense that really utilizes their speed for the fast break, this is a givem, but last night it appeared as though they were forcing it too much, attempting to pass the ball before actually having the rebound. in some cases rather than passing the ball they would try to smack it to another player, resulting in turnovers over and over again. too many times last night a brandeis player would be the first to touch the ball off the glass on offense or defense, but the ball would end up in the hands of the opposition, this will no fly against amherst or the conference games. however, chances are the judges will enter rochester for UAA play with a 10-1 record unless something outrageous happens
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: FisherDynasty on December 06, 2006, 11:05:15 AM
Rochester may not go 10-1, they have Fisher thursday night which should be a very good game.  Although Fisher is down a ways from the past 2 years, talent wise, it is pretty close to UofR (with better bigs, weaker guards).  In my opinion, UofR is still away from getting back to leading the UAA.  I predict NYU to take it this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 06, 2006, 05:37:41 PM
To clarify a previous post, the Brandeis men could go 10-1 into Rochester in January (assuming Brandeis loses to Amherst and defeats Curry-- Brandeis could go 11-0 if the Judges win their next 2 games).  I hope 'Deis can defeat Amherst on Saturday and still remain undefeated, but Amherst will be a tough opponent.  Brandeis did come very close to defeating Amherst 2 years ago-- the Judges only lost by 4 in Amherst the last time the game was at LeFrak Gym on the Amherst campus.  Brandeis is favored to win at Curry on January 2-- Curry has a very short bench and will have a disadvantage against the deeper 'Deis squad.

Rochester can only go 8-1 at best into the Brandeis game, but St. John Fisher will be a tough opponent for the U of R to defeat.   The Chase Tournament counts as 3 non-conference games for Rochester, so the U of R cannot play 11 games in any season before the meeting vs. Brandeis.

I will check out Amherst tomorrow when they play at MIT.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 06, 2006, 05:47:31 PM

How's the height with Brandeis?  Curry's got some big bodies and will be much better if their PG is back from a broken hand.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 06, 2006, 06:07:21 PM
Brandeis currently has the taller roster vs. Curry, height wise.  Starting "Deis center is 6'7", current starting shooting guards are 6'3" and 6'4"-- Kwame at point is 5'11".- DeLuca is 6'6".   'Deis's 6'11" player, John Saucier, is healthy-- hopefully he can be able to earn more minutes as the season rolls along-- he is not yet at prime form.  Brandeis has a very athletic squad with a deeper bench then previous years.

I saw Curry at the UMass-Boston tournament-- I don't know if the injury to Curry's point guard happened before the tournament or not-- all I know is that I saw their games against Colby-Sawyer and Framingham State, so I have an impression about Curry from those two games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2006, 09:07:24 AM

Curry's PG Tim Jones hasn't played since pre-Thanksgiving 2005.  He was out all year last year and borke his hand in preseason this year.  He is very fundamentally sound and the vocal leader on the team.  Without him this very talented roster has just been nothing.

Bowers, from Curry is a big talent, but even at 6'10", when confronted with other big guys, has shown a bit of frustration.  They always stink it up pre-Christmas and probably are no match for Brandeis anyway, however they could certainly do damage if overlooked.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on December 07, 2006, 11:02:51 PM
so what i find very interesting is that in the week 2 poll, the five UAA teams getting votes are all back to back...how does everyone think the conference stacks up after almost a month of play?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 08, 2006, 11:30:55 AM
Update in reference to Curry's Jonathan Bowers--

Jon Bowers only played a minute vs. Colby-Sawyer in the UMass-Boston tournament and did not play vs. Framingham State, so I did not have a chance to really see him in action.  However, it looks like he saw some significant action over the past 3 games and has come up with some big scoring performances vs. Nichols, Roger Williams, and WNEC.  I'm sure that Brandeis will be able to take Bowers into account for the January 2nd game.

As for this Saturday's matchup between Brandeis and Amherst--

It should be a good one.  I'm excited about this game.  That is all I'm going to say for now about this match.

As for yesterday's Rochester v. St. John Fisher match--

UR had a chance to pull this one off.  The free throw line was not a friend to Rochester last night-- Rochester would have won this game with a normal free throw shooting night of about 70%.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 08, 2006, 12:02:38 PM
Brandeis/Amherst match will be on WBRS this Saturday.  WBRS is sending a crew to Amherst to cover the game.  Pre-game is 10 minutes before tip-- tip is at 3 PM Eastern.

Game is at http://www.wbrs.org

Amherst will also be covering this one on their station, WAMH.  Details for accessing that webcast are in the NESCAC forum.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2006, 12:14:56 PM

Bowers was a big time high school player who went to a pretty big d2 school and actually was all conference his sophomore year, but evidently didn't like the coach and wanted to come back closer to home.  He's got a big time resume, but he hasn't really shown too much of it yet.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 09, 2006, 07:24:50 PM
From earlier today--

#2 Amherst 84, Brandeis 74

I'm back at Brandeis after seeing the game at Amherst.

Packed house at LeFrak Gym today with a playoff-like atmosphere.

Brandeis represented the UAA well today, but Amherst proved today why they are clearly the best team in the Northeast Region and justified at least a Top 10 national ranking.  Brandeis only had 3 assists for the whole game (none from Kwame Graves-Fulgham), but outscored the Lord Jeffs, 49-45, in the second half by way of a strong 30 point performance from Steve DeLuca and a 10 point game from Kwame Graves-Fulgham.

The first 10 minutes of the game were very close, but Amherst used its strong bench and great defense to make Brandeis go 14 down at the break.  The deficit was too much for Brandeis to overcome in front of a rowdy crowd, but Brandeis pulled to within 7 before losing by 10.

The way the Lord Jeffs played today, any team in the UAA would have been a clear underdog in Amherst, MA. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on December 14, 2006, 12:36:12 AM
Don't sleep on WashU. They dominated again tonight, putting up over 100 with their starters on the bench for the game's final 13 minutes. 7-1 with a 2 point los son the road to #15 Augustana. The Bears are receiving a lot of votes and for good reason. Kwame, Deluca and co. will have a hard time handing Bears nation if they struggled ina  considerably less hostile enviroonment at Lefrak.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on December 15, 2006, 09:35:12 PM
i do not know much about the basketball atmosphere at wash u, but i do not think that of amherst should be downplayed. le frak is a very small intimate gymnasium, smaller than most highschools, and it was packed, there were no empty seats in the house. in fact there were people in the amherst student section on the floor about 10 deep, they were even told to back up from the court on a number of occasions, one of the only calls the refs got right the whole time. i have been to a number of d1 games, and have seen very few that have rivaled the atmosphere in la frak last saturday, the only thing missing was a band.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on December 20, 2006, 12:48:46 PM
Nice to see the Brandeis crew edging closer to the Top 25, #27 as of this week.  No shame in the recent loss to Amherst in their abode.  Keep it up guys.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: old_hooper on December 20, 2006, 01:33:44 PM
So it looks like Wash U, Brandeis, NYU and Chicago have to be favorites at this point.  Do you think that any of them will have less then 3 losses in league?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on December 20, 2006, 10:10:56 PM
im guessing by this that you are assuming that most of these four teams will be perfect at home, and will lose all 3 against the others away, or a random upset loss...this being said i do forsee atleast one of these teams with less than 2 losses, but i do not wish to comment on which team(s) will acheive this.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on December 31, 2006, 12:18:24 PM
I saw NYU beat Clark, 74-64, yesterday. NYU had a strong first half, but was sluggish in the second half. Clark never quit and hit a lot of three pointers down the stretch to keep the score respectable.

NYU is a solid team and has an excellent front line in Boone, Falcon and DeCorso. The Violets also picked up a good point guard in Matthew Wilson, a freshman from Texas. Wilson will look to fill the void created by the departure of Jared Kildare.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on December 31, 2006, 12:37:57 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 31, 2006, 12:18:24 PM
I saw NYU beat Clark, 74-64, yesterday. NYU had a strong first half, but was sluggish in the second half. Clark never quit and hit a lot of three pointers down the stretch to keep the score respectable.

NYU is a solid team and has an excellent front line in Boone, Falcon and DeCorso. The Violets also picked up a good point guard in Matthew Wilson, a freshman from Texas. Wilson will look to fill the void created by the departure of Jared Kildare.

I just wish they would play some tougher out of conference opponents.  I agree that they have alot of talent but the last few years they have won nearly all their games out of conference but then struggled to some extent in conference.  I dont know if their out of conference schedule is really preparing them for conference play. I am not familiar with all the teams they have played, but none of those wins are against real quality opponents or particularly impressive. In the past 5 years (counting this year) they have gone 51-5 out of conference and 24-32 in conference.  You would think for a team that wins over 90% of their out of conference games, they could do better than 8 games under 0.500 in conference.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2006, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 31, 2006, 12:09:00 PM
UAA still not getting any love.  On the main page it says that the last time a DIII beat a DI was last year's Puget Sound game against UC-Riverside. However, CMU beat Princeton a week later (which in fact was the last time a DIII beat a DI prior to the game played recently).  UAA not getting their due as usual.

Thanks for the three e-mails, too. We got it fixed.

Sorry -- after nine years all of the D-I upsets are beginning to run together.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2006, 03:33:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2006, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 31, 2006, 12:09:00 PM
UAA still not getting any love.  On the main page it says that the last time a DIII beat a DI was last year's Puget Sound game against UC-Riverside. However, CMU beat Princeton a week later (which in fact was the last time a DIII beat a DI prior to the game played recently).  UAA not getting their due as usual.

Thanks for the three e-mails, too. We got it fixed.

Sorry -- after nine years all of the D-I upsets are beginning to run together.

Sounds like we need a specific archive for DIII wins over D1 schools.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 01, 2007, 04:43:00 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 31, 2006, 12:37:57 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 31, 2006, 12:18:24 PM
I saw NYU beat Clark, 74-64, yesterday. NYU had a strong first half, but was sluggish in the second half. Clark never quit and hit a lot of three pointers down the stretch to keep the score respectable.

NYU is a solid team and has an excellent front line in Boone, Falcon and DeCorso. The Violets also picked up a good point guard in Matthew Wilson, a freshman from Texas. Wilson will look to fill the void created by the departure of Jared Kildare.

I just wish they would play some tougher out of conference opponents.  I agree that they have alot of talent but the last few years they have won nearly all their games out of conference but then struggled to some extent in conference.  I dont know if their out of conference schedule is really preparing them for conference play. I am not familiar with all the teams they have played, but none of those wins are against real quality opponents or particularly impressive. In the past 5 years (counting this year) they have gone 51-5 out of conference and 24-32 in conference.  You would think for a team that wins over 90% of their out of conference games, they could do better than 8 games under 0.500 in conference.

NYU has played a very weak out-of-conference schedule for at least the last ten years. The reason why they have such a high winning percentage vs. non-conference opponents is very simple: they play a lot of weak teams. For many years, the Violets were an average team that feasted on less-than-stellar non-conference teams and then folded during conference play. Last year was different. The Violets were a very good team and did well both in and out of conference. Please remember that Falcon missed most of the year and Boone was out the last three games or so. NYU was a very strong team last year and probably will be this year as well. Once again the UAA looks very tough: You have Chicago, Washington, NYU and Brandeis either in or hovering around the Top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 01, 2007, 08:27:12 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 01, 2007, 04:43:00 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 31, 2006, 12:37:57 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 31, 2006, 12:18:24 PM
I saw NYU beat Clark, 74-64, yesterday. NYU had a strong first half, but was sluggish in the second half. Clark never quit and hit a lot of three pointers down the stretch to keep the score respectable.

NYU is a solid team and has an excellent front line in Boone, Falcon and DeCorso. The Violets also picked up a good point guard in Matthew Wilson, a freshman from Texas. Wilson will look to fill the void created by the departure of Jared Kildare.

I just wish they would play some tougher out of conference opponents.  I agree that they have alot of talent but the last few years they have won nearly all their games out of conference but then struggled to some extent in conference.  I dont know if their out of conference schedule is really preparing them for conference play. I am not familiar with all the teams they have played, but none of those wins are against real quality opponents or particularly impressive. In the past 5 years (counting this year) they have gone 51-5 out of conference and 24-32 in conference.  You would think for a team that wins over 90% of their out of conference games, they could do better than 8 games under 0.500 in conference.

NYU has played a very weak out-of-conference schedule for at least the last ten years. The reason why they have such a high winning percentage vs. non-conference opponents is very simple: they play a lot of weak teams. For many years, the Violets were an average team that feasted on less-than-stellar non-conference teams and then folded during conference play. Last year was different. The Violets were a very good team and did well both in and out of conference. Please remember that Falcon missed most of the year and Boone was out the last three games or so. NYU was a very strong team last year and probably will be this year as well. Once again the UAA looks very tough: You have Chicago, Washington, NYU and Brandeis either in or hovering around the Top 25.

I agree they are a very good team, Boone is one of the better UAA post players over the past 5 years (Not nearly as good as Seth Hauben or Derek Reich, however).  Falcon, DeCorso, etc. are also solid. I know they have been beating up on these teams out of conference, but it will be interesting how they do when they play some teams with solid big men, like Rochester, WashU or Brandeis.  Any of those teams (plus Chicago) could make a run at the conference title.  CMU will probably have a tough year with only 3 guys with significant playing experience returning (one of their big men, Gonzalez, who would have been a senior is injured and I think will take his last year of eligibility next year).  Case appears to be even worse than last year and I am not sure where in the bottom half of the conference Emory fits in.

As for last year, I wouldnt say NYU was very good in conference because they were in a three way tie for fourth place.  They were competitive for awhile, but faded near the end of the season (not only did they lose their last 3 conference games without Boone but lost 2 of 3 conference games before Boone went out- losing 5 of their last 6).  They were an average UAA team, as their record indicated.  They could play with anyone in the conference last year but just didnt get it done when it counted (but that could be said for alot of the UAA teams last year- alot of inconsistency or parity, whichever you want to call it).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 03, 2007, 01:35:57 AM
According to the Massey Ratings, the UAA is the second toughest D3 conference, after the CCIW.  The rankings of UAA teams (and their strength of schedule out of 404 men's D3 teams) through the games of 12/31/2006:

9 Brandeis (57)
19 Washington (32)
23 NYU (302)
35 Chicago (41)
51 Rochester (111)
75 CMU (77)
79 Emory (51)
301 Case (333)

I would venture that the other UAA teams, which have played much tougher non-conference schedules, will be better prepared for the conference schedule than NYU.  Cupcake non-conference schedules seem to be the norm for NYU hoops - the women's schedule is 303 (out of 425).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 03, 2007, 03:16:38 PM
Men's basketball coverage for this weekend.

Friday, January 5

1.)  Brandeis at Rochester-- 8 PM Eastern

Audio:  http://www.wysl1040.com
Video:  http://www.rochester.edu/athletics/webcast

J.C. DeLass with the call of the game.

2.)  NYU at Carnegie Mellon-- 8 PM Eastern

Audio:  http://www.wrct.org
Live stats also available at http://www.cmu.edu/athletic

Follow instructions on CMU Athletics webpage to get the live stats link.

Saturday, January 6

1.)  Emory at Case-- Noon Eastern

Audio:  http://www.case.edu/athletic/varsity/broadcast/index.htm

2.)  Wash U at Chicago-- 3 PM Central/4 PM Eastern

Audio available on Teamline Service-- Team code 3979.
Live stats also available

For live stats, go to http://athletics.uchicago.edu and the link for the game is on that page.

Sunday, January 7

Both games tip at Noon Eastern

1.)  Brandeis at Carnegie Mellon
2.)  NYU at Rochester

For Sunday's coverage, see instructions for Friday's coverage in this message and follow the instructions relative to the home site of the game you are interested in following.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 04, 2007, 01:05:13 AM
sorry if this gets a laugh, but could you explains those rankings ??
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 04, 2007, 09:10:11 AM

Massey's a computer poll that ranks all basketball teams in the country.  It uses a lot of information on schedule strength and stuff so its not exactly reliable until near the end of the season, but its a decent indicator.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 05, 2007, 12:52:28 PM
I just wanted to write and let people know that I am in Rochester for tonight's Brandeis at Rochester matchup(s).  I will be very interested in meeting up with Pat Coleman if he does come to the Palestra tonight-- I always enjoy his candid analysis of D3 hoops.

From what I heard on the NBC10 News out of Rochester last night, Rochester head coach Mike Neer will be going for his 500th career victory today.  I hope that Coach Neer does get his 500th victory this weekend, but I prefer that he get it on Sunday against NYU.    :)

For me, my pregame meal with be at Arby's at Midtown Plaza (in downtown Rochester), with a Zweigle's hot dog thrown into the mix.  :)

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2007, 01:16:18 PM
Unfortunately, I just can't make it. This is my only day off this week and I can't spend 12 hours in a car.

Going to Union to see Bates play Elms instead. Less than half the distance.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 05, 2007, 01:30:13 PM
Alan, quick question, i went to the site of the radio station in rochester, and saw the lineup of UR v Deis from 6-10 but where on the site can you get the live feed
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2007, 01:55:59 PM
Upper right-hand corner, the Listen Live logo.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on January 05, 2007, 02:20:56 PM
Heading down to Hyde Park tomorrow to see Chicago battle Wash U.  It will be interesting to see how the men's and (unbeaten!) women's teams respond to the invasion of the arch-rival Bears.

I will try to post my thoughts on the games later this weekend, Go Maroons.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 05, 2007, 04:10:48 PM
Pat--

Thanks for answering Ilive4this's question.  I was going downtown for my pre-game meal when he posted, and just got back to the Rochester campus around 3:45 PM.

To others--

I will probably post my comments on both Brandeis games tonight on the respective UAA forums tomorrow when I get back to Boston.  I will not be heading on to Pittsburgh for the Sunday games this time, as I headed to Rochester on my own money, and I want to see the Bowdoin women take on Emmanuel tommorrow.  I will be on the first Airtran flight out tomorrow to make it to Boston in time for the 1 PM tip.  I will be following the action on the computer on Sunday.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 05, 2007, 08:48:44 PM
At the half -

Rochester 49 Brandeis 21
CMU 40  NYU 30
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 05, 2007, 09:37:58 PM
So this game, is for lack of a better term, pathetic for Brandeis, with one exception Kenny Small, some nice steals and a career high in points. I do not understand why steve de luca was on the bench for so much of the game, he was not in foul trouble, same with kwame and florian. Nothing is really making sense. furthermore, fouling out only a few minutes into the second half is simply unacceptable, something needs to happen and soon, because CMU is playing well against the violets.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 05, 2007, 09:57:39 PM
Final Scores -

Rochester 83  Brandeis 65
CMU 68  NYU 64
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 06, 2007, 12:14:12 AM
Looks like playing cupcakes for 2 months doesnt help your ball handling.  NYU had 17 turnovers to CMUs 9.  Good win for the Tartans.

Two upsets in the UAA tonight, as mentioned earlier, RU also had its way with Brandeis.  Looks like the league is alot more even than everyone thought. CMU was picked to finish seventh in the league and NYU was picked to finish first in the preseason.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 06, 2007, 11:57:55 AM
The key to NYU's season will be the point guard position. Everyone from last year's team is back except for Jared Kildare. Freshman Matthew Wilson and Charlie Parker will have to fill his shoes. This won't be easy, but if they struggle, the Violets will be in trouble. NYU's other weak spot is their bench, which is not particularly deep.

The UAA is an outstanding league with a great deal of parity. If last night was any indication, it looks like there will be a lot of internal bloodletting once again, with very few "safe" games. I don't see any team pulling away and every team losing their fair share of games. With the exception of Case (who may very well pull off an upset or two), it appears that all of the other teams are capable of beating one another, especially at home. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 06, 2007, 03:51:44 PM
Saturday Final

Emory 76 at Case 67

Chicago and Washington will tip off in ten minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 06, 2007, 06:59:43 PM
Final

Washington 70  Chicago 59

The Bears started the game with an 11-0 run, their margin of victory.  It was 41-22 at the half.  The Maroons were terrible in the first half.  They live and die with the three.  Today they died - 8 of 34. 

Tim Reynolds missed his fourth game for the Maroons.  UofC really misses him.  I don't know what his injury is.  If he does not come back, the Maroons will be in trouble with no inside presence.  Tom Watson has not picked up the slack in the four games he has started since Reynolds went down.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 06, 2007, 11:51:00 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 06, 2007, 11:57:55 AM
The key to NYU's season will be the point guard position. Everyone from last year's team is back except for Jared Kildare. Freshman Matthew Wilson and Charlie Parker will have to fill his shoes. This won't be easy, but if they struggle, the Violets will be in trouble. NYU's other weak spot is their bench, which is not particularly deep.

That is probably the biggest reason why NYU lost to CMU.  CMU's biggest strength, in my opinion, is the on ball defense of their two guards, Kozak and O'Rourke. They are both very quick and give opposing guards no room to breath.  They played a big role in the win last weekend over Capital (which is looking alot better now with Capital's win over ONU tonight) and in the win over NYU (Parker and Wilson had 5 TOs a piece).  Hopefully this will make up for some of CMUs inexperience (they only have 1 junior and 1 senior that play any minutes).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 07, 2007, 02:22:20 PM
Men's finals today--

Carnegie Mellon 75, Brandeis 68 
NYU 70, Rochester 61 (OT).

Rochester was up 57-52 in regulation with a minute to go, but NYU's Michael DeCorso hit a 3 ptr at the buzzer to tie the game 57 all at the end of regulation-- NYU outscored Rochester 13-4 in the overtime.

NYU's Jason Boone tied his career high in scoring.

Carnegie Mellon sweeps the weekend at Skibo Gym with upsets over 2 ranked teams.  The young Tartans will prove to be a major factor in the outcome of the UAA men's title race.

Disappointing weekend for Brandeis after finishing the non-conference portion of the schedule at 10-1.  Brandeis now has the next 3 conference games at home (NYU, Case, and Emory) to try to rebound and get back into the title hunt.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 07, 2007, 04:20:34 PM
CMU gets a big lift from its guards again.  The starting guards (Kozak, Orourke and Matta) for CMU outscored Brandeis' starting guards (Coppens, Rexhepi, Graves-Fulgham) 40-21.  Orourke had probably the best game of his young career with a career high in points (18) and was 2 assists and 1 rebound shy of a triple double.  CMU also won the turnover battle 10 to 12 and was able to hold on despite only shooting 55% from the FT line.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 07, 2007, 06:04:44 PM
Very surprised to see Brandeis struggle this weekend. They played Amherst extremely tough, a team, which though not deserving of its top 3 ranking is  nonetheless a top 10-15 club. This bodes well for the league in general. I have been telling the NESCAC folks for some time that the UAA is much better this year and this weekend's results only further that claim. I think with the somewhat unexpected strength of WashU (though I've believed from the start that they are a top 2 team in league) and CMU, we could get 4, maybe 5 in the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2007, 06:27:27 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 07, 2007, 06:04:44 PM
Very surprised to see Brandeis struggle this weekend. They played Amherst extremely tough, a team, which though not deserving of its top 3 ranking is  nonetheless a top 10-15 club. This bodes well for the league in general. I have been telling the NESCAC folks for some time that the UAA is much better this year and this weekend's results only further that claim. I think with the somewhat unexpected strength of WashU (though I've believed from the start that they are a top 2 team in league) and CMU, we could get 4, maybe 5 in the tourney.

Thanks, you answered my question about the Bears. 

With respect to the tourney, there is the UAA's Pool A bid and then everyone else competes for the 19 Pool C bids.  We should have some very good discussions beginning in late January and into Februray on the Pool C message board.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: violet15 on January 07, 2007, 07:39:31 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 01, 2007, 08:27:12 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 01, 2007, 04:43:00 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 31, 2006, 12:37:57 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 31, 2006, 12:18:24 PM
I saw NYU beat Clark, 74-64, yesterday. NYU had a strong first half, but was sluggish in the second half. Clark never quit and hit a lot of three pointers down the stretch to keep the score respectable.

NYU is a solid team and has an excellent front line in Boone, Falcon and DeCorso. The Violets also picked up a good point guard in Matthew Wilson, a freshman from Texas. Wilson will look to fill the void created by the departure of Jared Kildare.

I just wish they would play some tougher out of conference opponents.  I agree that they have alot of talent but the last few years they have won nearly all their games out of conference but then struggled to some extent in conference.  I dont know if their out of conference schedule is really preparing them for conference play. I am not familiar with all the teams they have played, but none of those wins are against real quality opponents or particularly impressive. In the past 5 years (counting this year) they have gone 51-5 out of conference and 24-32 in conference.  You would think for a team that wins over 90% of their out of conference games, they could do better than 8 games under 0.500 in conference.

NYU has played a very weak out-of-conference schedule for at least the last ten years. The reason why they have such a high winning percentage vs. non-conference opponents is very simple: they play a lot of weak teams. For many years, the Violets were an average team that feasted on less-than-stellar non-conference teams and then folded during conference play. Last year was different. The Violets were a very good team and did well both in and out of conference. Please remember that Falcon missed most of the year and Boone was out the last three games or so. NYU was a very strong team last year and probably will be this year as well. Once again the UAA looks very tough: You have Chicago, Washington, NYU and Brandeis either in or hovering around the Top 25.

I agree they are a very good team, Boone is one of the better UAA post players over the past 5 years (Not nearly as good as Seth Hauben or Derek Reich, however).  Falcon, DeCorso, etc. are also solid. I know they have been beating up on these teams out of conference, but it will be interesting how they do when they play some teams with solid big men, like Rochester, WashU or Brandeis.  Any of those teams (plus Chicago) could make a run at the conference title.  CMU will probably have a tough year with only 3 guys with significant playing experience returning (one of their big men, Gonzalez, who would have been a senior is injured and I think will take his last year of eligibility next year).  Case appears to be even worse than last year and I am not sure where in the bottom half of the conference Emory fits in.

As for last year, I wouldnt say NYU was very good in conference because they were in a three way tie for fourth place.  They were competitive for awhile, but faded near the end of the season (not only did they lose their last 3 conference games without Boone but lost 2 of 3 conference games before Boone went out- losing 5 of their last 6).  They were an average UAA team, as their record indicated.  They could play with anyone in the conference last year but just didnt get it done when it counted (but that could be said for alot of the UAA teams last year- alot of inconsistency or parity, whichever you want to call it).

so im new to this board so pardon the lateness to which i am responding to this post. NYU was at full strength for less than a weekend of UAA play. Falcon went down very early, and while he may not receive the national recognition which is thrown at boone he as just as important a piece as his injury led to a huge increase in minutes for a very inexperienced Magee. And while a loss like they had to emory may be inexcusable, every team has a hiccup, and in the first to games following Boones injury, against Chicago and Wash, they were defeated by only 2 and 4 points. It seemed to me that Carnegie was head and shoulders above the rest of the teams, but last year (and perhaps this year, it seems) are filled with teams who are extremely talented. nyu was as talented a team last season, as talented as rochester or Wash or Chicago or any other school whose fans want to get on their high horses. to disparige the violets for last seasons breakdown is simply ignorant, as is to disparige the non conference schedule. The New York City area isnt exactly chock full of d3 talent, CUNYs arent exactly powerhouses. playing a weaker schedule does not make a team weaker. the games need to be played to determine who the better team is, and no one should even care what the non conference schedule is anyway, as it has little to no bearing on UAA standings.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 07, 2007, 09:31:55 PM
Quote from: violet15 on January 07, 2007, 07:39:31 PM
to disparige the violets for last seasons breakdown is simply ignorant, as is to disparige the non conference schedule. The New York City area isnt exactly chock full of d3 talent, CUNYs arent exactly powerhouses. playing a weaker schedule does not make a team weaker. the games need to be played to determine who the better team is, and no one should even care what the non conference schedule is anyway, as it has little to no bearing on UAA standings.

I am going to have to disagree with you.  The non-conference schedule is extremely important in preparing your team for the conference schedule.  I think alot of NYU's disappointment in league play is a result of them not being ready to play a high level opponent and not having experience in close games as a team (obviously upperclassmen will have experience from previous years).  I do not think anyone will argue NYUs talent, its just that winning those 11 games means absolutely nothing if they dont play any good teams.  Also, there is no rule that says teams have to be within an hour drive to play them out of conference, CMU played Skidmore, Union, Bluffton, and Christopher Newport last year (drives that are up to 7 hours).  There is no good excuse for NYU not scheduling better out of conference opponents.

Out of conference schedule is also very important for the playoffs to get an at large bid, because the committee looks at your entire in-region schedule, not just conference.  If you are familiar with QOWI, a post season selection criteria, a win over a team with an in-region record less than 0.333 is worth only 8-9 points(home, away). Whereas a win over a team with a record over 0.667 is worth 14-15 points.  If you play all bad teams you lose a lot of points and you arent going to have a strong case for the playoffs (if you dont win the conference).  I recommend you understand the format of dIII and how post season selection is made before you make comments like "no one should even care what the non conference schedule is."

Also, who "disparaged" NYU, all I said was that they were an average UAA team last year (and I dont see how you can argue that when you look at their overall performance, a 7-7 record).  Maybe if they had played a tougher out of conference schedule they would have been better prepared and won some of those close in conference games. 

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 07, 2007, 09:36:42 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 07, 2007, 06:04:44 PM
Very surprised to see Brandeis struggle this weekend. They played Amherst extremely tough, a team, which though not deserving of its top 3 ranking is  nonetheless a top 10-15 club. This bodes well for the league in general. I have been telling the NESCAC folks for some time that the UAA is much better this year and this weekend's results only further that claim. I think with the somewhat unexpected strength of WashU (though I've believed from the start that they are a top 2 team in league) and CMU, we could get 4, maybe 5 in the tourney.

I am all for 4 or 5 teams, I just think that may be a bit too optimistic judging from previous years.  It helps that most teams in the UAA are in different regions, but it hurts that their in-conference games count as in-region.  The league may be too even, and therefore teams may beat up on eachother too much (last year the league champ had 4 losses in conference), for there to be more than a couple teams going to the playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on January 07, 2007, 10:18:39 PM
Saturday:
Washington 70
Chicago 59

The first half of this game was ugly if you're a Chicago fan.  The Maroons came out flat and were outclassed by Wash U from the opening tip.  UC played much better in the second half, but too little too late.

Wash U's Troy Ruths (28) and Sean Wallis (25) both reached career highs in points and were very impressive.  I found myself applauding with the Wash U fans when Edwards took them out late in the game.  Ruths was unstoppable every time he touched the ball in the post.  Meanwhile, Northbrook native Wallis could not miss from the outside and did a lot to disrupt the Maroons' 3-pt attack.  I wonder how many performances in UAA history have featured 25 pts, 7 treys, 6 rebs and 6 assists?

Great showing for the Bears in picking up their first-ever win at Ratner (1-3).

For UC, Nate Hainje (20 pts) continued his strong play.  Hainje was 7-11 from the field; the rest of the team was 12-41.  But I have to agree with Martin that the Maroons are lacking inside without Reynolds.  They had no answer for Ruths and scored only 12 points in the paint.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 07, 2007, 10:30:05 PM
Quote from: violet15 on January 07, 2007, 07:39:31 PM
The New York City area isnt exactly chock full of d3 talent

Ramapo, William Paterson, Rutgers-Newark, Montclair State.

I haven't lived in the NYC area very long but I know these are very much nearby.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 07, 2007, 10:55:40 PM
Quote from: Hoop Dreams on January 07, 2007, 10:18:39 PM
 I wonder how many performances in UAA history have featured 25 pts, 7 treys, 6 rebs and 6 assists?

I cant think of one exactly like that but I remember a 41 point, 8 treys (8-9), 4 rebounds, 3 assists, and 3 steals night. Nate Maurer had that line in last year's first meeting with U of R at the Palestra.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 08, 2007, 04:37:51 AM
Quote from: martin on January 06, 2007, 06:59:43 PM
Final

Washington 70  Chicago 59

The Bears started the game with an 11-0 run, their margin of victory.

It was even worse than Martin let on. If Maroons senior guard Drew Adams hadn't knocked down a trey at the 10:05 mark, the hosts would've gone the first quarter of the game without scoring more than two points. It was amazing that they were only down 17-2 at that point.

Quote from: Hoop Dreams on January 07, 2007, 10:18:39 PMWash U's Troy Ruths (28) and Sean Wallis (25) both reached career highs in points and were very impressive.  I found myself applauding with the Wash U fans when Edwards took them out late in the game.

Unfortunately, the Wash U fans weren't applauding Ruths. At least half of the green-clad contingent -- and by far the noisier half, at that -- consisted of Glenbrook North fans who came down from the North Shore for the specific purpose of rooting for Sean Wallis and Zach Kelly, as opposed to rooting for Wash U. When Edwards took Ruths out of the game in the waning moments, the huge applause was for Kelly entering the game rather than for Ruths exiting it. Kelly got a big ovation every time that he stepped on the floor. A shame, too, as Ruths definitely played a game that was worthy of sustained applause -- 28 points (including 11-12 from the field) and 7 rebounds. He is so much fun to watch when he gets the ball in the post, because he wastes absolutely no time in going straight to the basket, and with his quickness it's therefore almost impossible to double-team him. He made mincemeat out of the Maroons bigs. Martin's 100% correct -- with Tim Reynolds sitting on the bench in street clothes and laden with a pair of crutches, the Maroons are undermanned inside.

Quote from: Hoop Dreams on January 07, 2007, 10:18:39 PMMeanwhile, Northbrook native Wallis could not miss from the outside and did a lot to disrupt the Maroons' 3-pt attack.  I wonder how many performances in UAA history have featured 25 pts, 7 treys, 6 rebs and 6 assists?

I had no idea Wallis was that good of a shooter, but his 23-46 (.500) for the season from beyond the arc confirms it. What impressed me even more than his shooting and his rebounding (I'm pretty sure that all six of the caroms he grabbed were of the long variety off of clanked Chicago trey attempts) was his floor generalship. He really sees the court well, does a great job of running the break, and his passes are both crisp and unerring. This was the second time I've had a chance to see him in a Bears uni, and he's greatly improved over the last time I saw him back in February. I'm also impressed by the way he manages to take a pounding and keep bouncing back up off the floor, in spite of being so skinny that I keep thinking the next hard screen will snap him in half.

He also likes to jaw with opposing fans, which was pretty funny in this case since there's obviously no love lost between Wash U and Chicago. The Maroons student section brought out the old "Safety school!" chant to taunt the Bears, proving that everything is relative. :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2007, 10:23:14 AM
The seedings for the JP-Morgan/Chase Scholarship Tournament were announced last night.

Defending champion is St. John Fisher

The Rochester men's team got the #3 seed for this year's tournament.

Seeds for the Chase Tournament for 2007

1.)  SUNY-Brockport (8-1)
2.)  St. John Fisher (9-1)
3.)  Rochester (8-3)
4.)  SUNY-Geneseo (8-3)
5.)  Roberts Wesleyan (7-6)
6.)  Nazareth (5-5)
7.)  RIT (5-5)
8.)  Keuka (5-7)

Quarterfinal action will be on Wednesday at 2 different sites:

Wednesday, January 10 at RIT

1.)  Rochester v. Nazareth-- 6:15 PM Eastern (Game will be webcast on WYSL 1040 AM-- http://www.wysl1040.com)

2.)  St. John Fisher v. RIT-- approx. 8:15 PM Eastern

Wednesday, January 10 at Keuka

1.)  SUNY-Geneseo v. Roberts Wesleyan-- 6:15 PM Eastern
2.)  SUNY-Brockport v. Keuka-- approx. 8:15 PM Eastern

On Friday, action shifts to Roberts Wesleyan for the remainder of the Chase Tournament.

Semifinals on Friday, Championship game on Saturday

Consolation bracket action also starts Friday at Roberts Wesleyan.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: PowerBall on January 08, 2007, 11:43:42 AM
CMU continues to believe in itself and the winning tradition started 5 years ago continues to grow within the team.  There seems to be a smart tenacity to the play being exhibited on the floor and the unselfishness of the ball helps them win without having a "Go To!" guy as they've had the past few years.  It's amazing to see the transition offense flow from a good defense.  I don't understand why most teams don't employ such tactics to develop their offense style.  Good for the boys in plaid.  Go Tartans
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 09, 2007, 10:10:45 AM
Six UAA teams getting votes this week:

Wash U (Ranked 16) 215 pts.
NYU (Ranked 24) 75 pts
Brandeis 15 pts
Rochester 6 pts
Chicago 3 pts
CMU 2 pts

I was surprised to see NYU still ranked but I guess I was also surprised to see CMU get some votes (although they have beaten some good teams lately: NYU, Brandeis, and Capital).  Looks like the UAA will be wide open again this year.  The UAA joins the CCIW as  the two conferences, that I saw, that have 6 teams receiving votes and both have 75% (6/8) of their teams represented.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2007, 01:16:49 PM

The UAA does have a lot of strong teams.  It will be interesting to see if one team can emerge from the pack this year, another very strong year for the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 10, 2007, 02:08:04 AM
I don't think there's any doubt that Wash U's Troy Ruths is the best player in the conference right now.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2007, 02:11:40 AM
I was surprised too, hugenerd, but there was a lot of upheaval at the bottom of the poll and NYU did rebound to beat Rochester so they didn't fall entirely out.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 10, 2007, 10:40:32 AM
I think there is doubt about who the best player in the UAA is right now.  There is a lot of talent in this league.  I would agree with Marty Peretz that Troy Ruths is probably the top player.  But you can make a case for a lot of other players - Boone, Deluca, Falcon, Nading, Woodhead, and others.  If I had to pick one player, it would be Ruths.  But it is not like when Derek Reich was around and there was no question.  Ruths may yet reach that point.

He had a great performance against Chicago but keep in mind that Chicago is weak inside.  Their best big man, Tim Reynolds, broke his foot in mid-December and is out for at least three more weeks.  His replacement got three fouls in the first six minutes of the Wash game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 10, 2007, 10:50:06 AM
I think that Washington is best team in the UAA right now - and may be strong enough to make a nice post-season run.  Their one loss was at #15 Augustana.  In that game Wash led by ten before guard Danny O'Boyle went out with an ankle injury - and has not played since.

O'Boyle has been replaced by freshman Aaron Thompson who seems to be improving.  The Bears sixth man is another freshman, Cameron Smith.  This highlights Wash's potential problems - youth and depth.  The Bears big three of Troy Ruths (Junior), Tyler Nading (soph) and Sean Wallis (soph) is outstanding - and young.  Senior Nick Nikitas does a lot of the dirty work.  And that is it - the Bears are six deep.

It will be interesting to see how this team develops.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2007, 11:52:16 AM

I didn't realize that WashU was going to bring most everybody back next year.  They are top notch this season and should be able to get some good experience for another run next year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 10, 2007, 10:17:39 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 08, 2007, 04:37:51 AM

The Maroons student section brought out the old "Safety school!" chant to taunt the Bears, proving that everything is relative. :D




That is a good chant.  I remember it being used last year in the NEWMAC final, between MIT and WPI.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 10, 2007, 10:19:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2007, 02:11:40 AM
I was surprised too, hugenerd, but there was a lot of upheaval at the bottom of the poll and NYU did rebound to beat Rochester so they didn't fall entirely out.

Yeah, NYU is lucky they were able to overcome that 12 point deficit in the second half and force overtime.  If they hadnt pulled out a single victory this weekend they probably would have had the carpet pulled out from underneath them by the voters.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 11, 2007, 10:06:02 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 10, 2007, 10:17:39 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 08, 2007, 04:37:51 AM

The Maroons student section brought out the old "Safety school!" chant to taunt the Bears, proving that everything is relative. :D




That is a good chant.  I remember it being used last year in the NEWMAC final, between MIT and WPI.

The Amherst student section a/k/a "Lord Jeff Nation" also used that chant in LeFrak Gym vs. Brandeis last month.  It seems like the Amherst fans want to try to make LeFrak a smaller men's basketball imitation of Bowdoin's Morrell Gym.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 11, 2007, 10:31:56 AM
JP Morgan Chase Scholarship Tournament update-- Men

Recap of scores from Wednesday's quarterfinals:

(#1 seed) SUNY-Brockport def. (#8 seed) Keuka, 98-58
(#2 seed) St. John Fisher def. (#7 seed) Rochester Tech, 75-68
(#3 seed) Rochester def. (#6 seed) Nazareth, 70-57
(#4 seed) SUNY-Geneseo def. (#5 seed) Roberts Wesleyan, 75-72 (2 OT).

Friday's semifinals at Roberts Wesleyan

Game action to be webcast at http://www.wysl1040.com

J.C. DeLass with the call

6:15 PM Eastern-- Rochester v. St . John Fisher
8:15 PM Eastern-- SUNY-Brockport v. SUNY-Geneseo

Championship game Saturday at 8 PM Eastern at Roberts Wesleyan (to be webcast at http://www.wysl1040.com)

Consolation bracket action Friday afternoon at Roberts Wesleyan with the consolation bracket teams heading to SUNY-Brockport on Saturday for the 5th and 7th place games.

Third place game at 3 PM Eastern Saturday at Roberts Wesleyan.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 12, 2007, 01:54:52 PM
UAA Men's Basketball Conference Games Internet coverage

Weekend of January 12-14, 2007

Friday, January 12

Tip times approx. 8 PM Eastern

1.)  #16 Wash U at Case

Game can be heard at http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/broadcast/

2.)  Chicago at Emory

All Emory internet coverage is on a pay per listen basis

Videocast:  http://www.hrptv.com

Videocast is $20 per game.

Audiocast is on the Teamline service-- Team code 1028

Teamline charges $25 per game on phone; there is also a pay per listen charge for Emory on the internet version.

Saturday, January 13

Tip time approx. 3 PM Eastern

#24 NYU at Brandeis

Game can be heard at http://www.wbrs.org

Sunday, January 14

All games at Noon Eastern

1.)  #16 Wash U at Emory
2.)  Chicago at Case

For instructions on how to listen to Sunday's coverage; check the instructions for Friday's coverage on this message relative to the home site of the game to which you are interested in watching and/or listening.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 12, 2007, 09:49:32 PM
Friday Jan 12

Washington 73  at Case 56
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 12, 2007, 10:17:38 PM
Friday Jan 12

Chicago 99 at Emory 75

No box score yet but I am guessing that the Maroons were hitting their three pointers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 12, 2007, 10:55:44 PM
It looks like the second half of the Chicago/Emory game was a track meet.  The Maroons led 41-29 at the half.  They won the second half 58-46.  Maybe Chicago is trying to implement the Grinell system.

Junior guard Matt Corning is back for the Maroons.  I thought he might have left school - was not in the media guide and did not play until Dec 29.  But he is a welcome addition - a big guard (6-4) who brings some depth.  Now if Tim Reynolds could get healthy ......
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on January 12, 2007, 11:08:10 PM
Chicago was 14-for-24 (58.3%) from distance.

Freshman Jake Pancratz came off the bench to score 17 points in only 21 minutes -- his first double-digit effort in the collegiate ranks.

Pancratz comes from a great basketball family.  His father played at DePaul, his brother Zach hoops for Northern Illinois, and his brother Mark scored 21 points in Schaumburg's upset over Eddy Curry and Thornwood in the 2001 IHSA title game.

Jake will be one to watch at Chicago over the next four years.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 12, 2007, 11:44:57 PM
Rochester blasted St. John Fisher by 29 points tonight, surprising because they lost to them only 1 month ago.  This is only St. John Fisher's 2nd loss of the season.  The UAA looks like they are getting stronger and stronger at the top (and by top I mean top 5 or so).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on January 13, 2007, 12:34:06 AM
Troy Ruths ate up Case inside tonight: 25 pts on 10-14 from the floor. 

Once again the Bears buried their opponents early, jumping out to a 19-4 lead.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 13, 2007, 07:33:03 AM
Well, as Hugenerd noted in his last posting....

JP Morgan Chase Scholarship Tournament update

Recap of Friday's Men's Semifinals (played at Roberts Wesleyan)

(#3 seed) Rochester def. (#2 seed) St. John Fisher, 82-53
(#4 seed) SUNY-Geneseo def. (#1 seed) SUNY-Brockport, 84-73

Men's Championship game at Roberts Wesleyan is tonight at 8 PM Eastern

Rochester v. SUNY-Geneseo

Webcast of the game is at http://www.wysl1040.com

J.C. DeLass with the call.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 13, 2007, 05:39:53 PM
You guys should check out the Brandeis-NYU boxscore.  Brandeis held Boone to a single field goal attempt in 30 minutes of pt today.  That is ridiculous.  DeLuca led all scorers with 26 (he was the only one on his team with double figures).  Big win for Brandeis.

http://my.brandeis.edu/athletics/one-game?group_id=1385&item_id=486625#GAME.BOX
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 13, 2007, 10:07:45 PM
UR destroys Geneseo 80-53 tonight, they led 39-13 at the half.  UR shot 68% from the field and 58% from 3. MVP of the tourney is Mike Chmielowiec, with Jeff Juron and Jon Onyiriuka making the first team.

Box Score:
http://knights.geneseo.edu/mbball/mbgame12.htm
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2007, 07:55:07 AM
My comments on yesterday's game--

So far, yesterday's game was the best defensive game that the Brandeis men have played all year.  Boone's stat line for NYU yesterday speaks for itself, but also worthy of mentioning is that Michael DeCorso did not hit a "3" for the whole game (Matt Basford hit the only NYU trey), and while Daniel Falcon scored 14 points for the game, he scored 10 of those 14 in the first half.

I feel that every Brandeis player who played in yesterday's game played quality minutes, even if the stat line didn't show it.

PS-- I would hate to see what the "true" over/under line will be on the stat line for Jason Boone in the rematch at NYU on NYU's "Senior Day."  I predict the over/under on Boone's stat line on "NYU Senior Day" at Coles will be 20 pts., 8 rebounds, 4 blocks, and 3 "monster dunks."   :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 14, 2007, 02:12:53 PM
I'll take the under in every category. Kid is flat-out overrated. In other news, Wash U wins again today, albeit in somewhat of a squeaker at Emory, 78-73. They are now undefeated in league play at 3-0 heading into a crucial 4 game stretch at home. Carnegie and Rochester next weekend with Brandeis and NYU the following. I think 7 league games in we may have a very good idea of who is taking the league title. Assuming WashU can stay out of foul trouble, I have no doubt they will remain the team to beat.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 15, 2007, 03:37:45 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 14, 2007, 02:12:53 PM
I'll take the under in every category. Kid is flat-out overrated. In other news, Wash U wins again today, albeit in somewhat of a squeaker at Emory, 78-73. They are now undefeated in league play at 3-0 heading into a crucial 4 game stretch at home. Carnegie and Rochester next weekend with Brandeis and NYU the following. I think 7 league games in we may have a very good idea of who is taking the league title. Assuming WashU can stay out of foul trouble, I have no doubt they will remain the team to beat.

Two questions:

1) Why do you think Jason Boone is overrated?
2) Are you the editor in chief of The New Republic?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2007, 06:11:14 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 14, 2007, 02:12:53 PM
I'll take the under in every category. Kid is flat-out overrated. In other news, Wash U wins again today, albeit in somewhat of a squeaker at Emory, 78-73. They are now undefeated in league play at 3-0 heading into a crucial 4 game stretch at home. Carnegie and Rochester next weekend with Brandeis and NYU the following. I think 7 league games in we may have a very good idea of who is taking the league title. Assuming WashU can stay out of foul trouble, I have no doubt they will remain the team to beat.

You think that Jason Boone is overrated?  Check out this article from the NCAA from the summer of 2005 when he became the first ever DIII men's basketball player to play on an NIT All-Star team.  The article is located at:

http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/mens/story/8642807

I've also seen Jason Boone burn Brandeis in the past with "thunder dunks" at Coles Center on my previous trips to support the Judges at NYU.  I was not kidding when I put up that "fantasy" stat line, because if Brandeis is not careful in the rematch, that stat line could easily be a reality.

PS-- kudos to Wash U for the wins at Chicago and Emory.  The Wash U men's basketball team has now become the team to beat.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 15, 2007, 10:31:02 PM
In true CMU inconsistent fashion (see losses to Case Western, etc. last year), CMU drops a one point decision to 8-7 Lycoming.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 15, 2007, 10:48:53 PM
NYU crushed Hunter, 94-59, tonight at Coles. This one was never close. NYU had too much size and took advantage of it on both ends of the court. The Violet's big men scored frequently in the paint and intimidated Hunter's shooters throughout the contest. NYU led 38-20 at the half and the Hawks failed to make any kind of run in the second half.

The high scorers for the Violets were Mike DeCorso with 19 points and Jason Boone with 15. Chris Bernard and Chris Garrick paced the Hawks with 12 points each.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2007, 04:56:01 AM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 15, 2007, 10:48:53 PM
NYU crushed Hunter, 94-59, tonight at Coles. This one was never close. NYU had too much size and took advantage of it on both ends of the court. The Violet's big men scored frequently in the paint and intimidated Hunter's shooters throughout the contest. NYU led 38-20 at the half and the Hawks failed to make any kind of run in the second half.

The high scorers for the Violets were Mike DeCorso with 19 points and Jason Boone with 15. Chris Bernard and Chris Garrick paced the Hawks with 12 points each.

I listened to the webcast of that game last night courtesy of WNYU-- NYU student Rachel Steinberg with the call of that game.    Jason Boone had at least 3 "power dunks" in the first half-- 1 2-handed jam, and 2 1-handed jams.  I then lost count after that.... :)

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 16, 2007, 09:42:47 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 16, 2007, 04:56:01 AM

I listened to the webcast of that game last night courtesy of WNYU-- NYU student Rachel Steinberg with the call of that game.    Jason Boone had at least 3 "power dunks" in the first half-- 1 2-handed jam, and 2 1-handed jams.  I then lost count after that.... :)


Boone did have quite a few dunks in the game. Most of them, by the way, were in traffic, which is a rather rare occurrence in D3 games. Boone, Falcon and DeCorso overpowered Hunter's frontline throughout the contest.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 19, 2007, 08:12:07 AM
Internet coverage of UAA Men's Basketball action

Weekend of January 19-21, 2007

Friday, January 19, 2007

1.)  Case at Brandeis

Tip time 8 PM Eastern

WHK Radio in Cleveland is travelling with the Spartans this weekend.

Case feed:  http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/broadcast
Brandeis feed:  http://www.wbrs.org

2.)  Emory at NYU

Tip time 8 PM Eastern

Game can be heard on the Teamline service-- http://www.teamline.cc
Team code:  1059

3.)  Rochester at Wash U

Tip time 8 PM Central/9 PM Eastern

Rochester feed:  http://www.wysl1040.com
Wash U feed:  http://www.kwur.com

4.)  Carnegie Mellon at Chicago

Tip time 8 PM Central/9 PM Eastern

Game can be heard on the Teamline service-- Team code 3979

Live stats also available through a link on the Chicago Athletics home page at http://athletics.uchicago.edu

Sunday, January 21, 2007

1.)  Emory at Brandeis-- Tip time Noon Eastern

Game can be heard at http://www.wbrs.org

2.)  Case at NYU-- Tip time Noon Eastern

Case feed: http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/broadcast
NYU feed:  http://www.wnyu.org

3.)  Rochester at Chicago-- Tip time Noon Central/1 PM Eastern

Rochester feed:  http://www.wysl1040.com
Chicago feed is on the Teamline service-- Team code 3979
Live stats also available-- see Friday's instructions for details.

4.)  Carnegie Mellon at Wash U-- Tip time Noon Central/1 PM Eastern

Game can be heard at http://www.kwur.com

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 19, 2007, 10:56:05 PM
Chicago continues its scoring binge - pounding CMU 100-69.  The UC men had to outdo the women who won 91-49.  Jesse Meyer led the Maroons with 16.  Only 4 Maroons were in double figures but you can still get to 100 when 13 players score.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 19, 2007, 11:08:48 PM
Finals, Friday Jan 19

at Brandeis 85 Case 68
at NYU 69 Emory 50
at Chicago 100 Carnegie Mellon 69
at Washington 68  Rochester 59

Rochester battled Washington the whole game.  Big stat - the Bears were 22-25 from the foul line, Yellowjackets 0-5.  Not a typo - 0-5.

Chicago has had some bigg offensive games of late - 100 against CMU, 99 against Emory.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 19, 2007, 11:38:06 PM
I watched NYU handily defeat Emory, 69-50, before a capacity crowd at Coles. The Violets led all the way and the game was never in doubt. NYU led 34-23 at the break and the Eagles were unable to mount a run in the second. NYU got excellent performances from Daniel Falcon (20 points) and Jason Boone (14 points). Charlie Parker also had a solid game at the point. He started and showed good leadership skills. The Violets are going to need strong outings from Parker if they're going to be successful in conference play.

Spiros Ferderigos played well for Emory, finishing with a game-high 22 points. Ferderigos is an excellent outside shooter who also has the ability to take it to the hoop and draw fouls. Adrian Sosa was next for the Eagles with 10 points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 20, 2007, 01:54:03 AM
Great win for Wash U over a very good Rochester team tonight. Free throws were the big difference as Rochester was 0-5 (meaning they missed the front end of several 1 and 1's missing out on chances to hit a few more), while Wash U was 22 of 25. Troy Ruth's is a warrior.

Speaking of Emory's Ferderigos, last year at Wash U he almost single handedly brought Emory back for a chance to win, scoring 45 points, with 25-30 of those in the last 12 minutes of the game, but the rally fell 2 points short in a 102-100 game -- one of the most exciting games I've ever seen.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2007, 01:57:53 AM
Capacity crowd? Any special occasion?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2007, 02:29:24 AM
Chicago absolutely feasted upon a very unimpressive-looking Carnegie Mellon squad this evening. The Maroons played an outstanding game: Crisp ball movement, stingy and quick-handed defense, deadeye shooting, and they attacked the basket all night long. They even got a nice post-up game, out of Brandon Woodhead, of all people. He took his man into the blocks and backed him in several times this evening, to great effect.

Carnegie Mellon really has lost a lot from last year. They were a step slower than Chicago at every position, and they didn't seem to have a lot of fight in them. They featured a 6'8, 260 center named Rob Pearson whom I figured the Maroons might have trouble handling, due to their interior defensive woes with Tim Reynolds out. But the Tartans hardly looked to feed this monster in the post at all tonight.

My 2006-07 nominee for the "Most Delightfully Obscure Sign At A D3 Game" award has to go to the two U of C students who held up a very long sign tonight that said, "Point Park 101, Carnegie Mellon 95". Their research was a little below par by University of Chicago standards -- Point Park's actually not a bad team, as they're 19-0 and ranked third in NAIA-2, with several wins over other D3 schools besides the Tartans -- but it's the thought that counts.

Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 19, 2007, 11:38:06 PMNYU got excellent performances from Daniel Falcon (20 points) and Jason Boone (14 points). Charlie Parker also had a solid game at the point.

Please, oh, please tell me that this kid's nickname is "Bird". 8)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 20, 2007, 08:32:57 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2007, 01:57:53 AM
Capacity crowd? Any special occasion?

NYU has a sports marketing major; and some NYU students taking that major helped the NYU Athletic Dept. publicize the event around campus last night as an NYU "Tear It Up" night for the NYU student body.   Last night's Chicago/Carnegie Mellon game was also the 2nd annual "Beach Night" at the Ratner Center, and Wash U's Red Alert is designating next week's Wash U/Brandeis men's game as a "Pack the Place" night.

NYU's Coles Center usually gets big crowds anyway at the UAA games, so I am not surprised by the attendance figures.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 20, 2007, 08:57:24 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2007, 01:57:53 AM
Capacity crowd? Any special occasion?

NYU had this game designated as a "Tear It Up" event - free food always attracts the students.  I found this on the NYU web site:
In 2005 LeFevre along with members of the Student Athletic Advisory Committee created the "Tear It Up!" campaign in an effort to effectively market intercollegiate athletics to the University community. The program includes game attendance promotions, such as bobble-head giveaways and other sponsored gifts, as well as in-game contests played for prizes. On average game attendance has tripled over the normal number of spectators when a "Tear It Up!" function takes place.

The flyer and schedule is here. (http://www.nyu.edu/athletics/palladium/schedules/events.pdf)

Yesterday, NYU had 1,672 for the women's game, 2,294 for the men.  Usually, their biggest crowds are for Chicago and Washington.  Chicago usually organizes an alumni outing - and has a lot of alumni in the New York area.  I think the same is true for Wash.  Last year, there were 2,137 at the Chicago (men) game and 1,758 at the Wash game.

This year, both the Chicago and Wash games are "Tear It Up" events - and the Chicago game will be bobblehead giveaway!!!!  The Coles center is supposed to seat only 1,900.  So almost 400 over capacity yesterday.  They may have to really shoehorn them in for Chicago as people clamor for their bobbleheads.

Chicago had beach night - with free pizza.  They had 830 for the men, 680 for the women.  Less than for Wash (1,285 and 955).  Biggest crowd at Ratner so far was 1,425 for Wash last year.  Still have not had a capacity crowd (1,900).

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 20, 2007, 10:41:17 AM
Responding to Pat Coleman. Not a capacity crowd at Wash U last night. Plenty of raucous students downstairs for the men's game, but the more spacious upper level seating had maybe 50 people tops.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2007, 10:52:16 AM
Gotcha. I was responding to Rhodes Scholar, though. Sorry for not being specific.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 20, 2007, 11:23:34 AM

Pat: deiscanton and martin answered your question. I'll only add that the bleachers behind the basket at the west end of Coles were packed with Tear It Up T-Shirt--clad students, and those bleachers are normally not opened.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2007, 02:29:24 AM


Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 19, 2007, 11:38:06 PMNYU got excellent performances from Daniel Falcon (20 points) and Jason Boone (14 points). Charlie Parker also had a solid game at the point.

Please, oh, please tell me that this kid's nickname is "Bird". 8)

Which one, Daniel Falcon or Charlie Parker?  :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 20, 2007, 12:41:09 PM
QuotePlease, oh, please tell me that this kid's nickname is "Bird". Cool

I made that joke during a Delaware Valley/Lebanon Valley football game this past season since Leb Val has a talented running back named Charlie Parker.

Then 30 seconds later I explained who Parker (the sax player) was since I wasn't sure anyone would get it. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 20, 2007, 01:29:12 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 20, 2007, 12:41:09 PM
QuotePlease, oh, please tell me that this kid's nickname is "Bird". Cool

I made that joke during a Delaware Valley/Lebanon Valley football game this past season since Leb Val has a talented running back named Charlie Parker.

Then 30 seconds later I explained who Parker (the sax player) was since I wasn't sure anyone would get it. :)

This being the UAA board, no explanation is needed - so edit your post and drop "(the sax player)" after Parker. 

I have to give kudos to Rhodes Scholar.  I immediately assumed that GS was referring to Parker and completely missed Falcon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 21, 2007, 02:49:59 PM
Finals Sunday Jan 21

at NYU 69  Case 52
at Brandeis 74 Emory 50
at Chicago 81 Rochester 74
at Washington 73 CMU 49

Home teams sweep the weekend.  Chicago/UR was not as close as the final score.  Chicago led by 23.  Rochester went on a 7-0 run in the final minute to make the score closer.

UAA Standings

1.  Wash  5-0
2. Chicago 4-1
3. NYU 3-2
    Brandeis 3-2
5. Rochester 2-3
    CMU 2-3
7. Emory 1-4
8. Case 0-5

Wash and Chicago still have to go on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 21, 2007, 03:12:06 PM
NYU 69, Case Western Reserve 52

NYU led all the way and the game was never really in doubt, but the Violets were unable to blow them out. High scorers for NYU were Jason Boone (16 points), Charlie Parker (13 points) and Matt Basford (13 points). Mason Conrad (20 points) and Rob Skuski (12 points) were the high men for Case.

Once again, Charlie Parker demonstrated good floor leadership, solid defense, and a nice outside shooting touch. If he can continue to play as he has of late, the Violets will have a capable point guard.

The Spartans' big men Conrad and Skuski both played well and were able to battle Boone and Daniel Falcon to more or less a standstill.  Neither team got much production from their bench, but Case looked even more lackluster in that area. NYU hit seven three's while Case connected on only one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2007, 05:55:29 PM
Brandeis  74, Emory 50

Brandeis was able to put this game away at halftime with a 21 point lead-- (Brandeis led 39-18 at the half), and this game was never in doubt.

High scorers for Brandeis were Steve DeLuca with 19, Kenny Small with 13, Andre Roberson with 10, and Florian Rexhepi with 10. 

Roberson played his best game so far as a point guard today-- he got his first double-double with 10 points and 10 assists.

High scorers for Emory were Shawn Bailey with 12 points and Spiros Federigos with 11 points.

Brandeis made 8 3's for the game to Emory's 1 trey.

Brandeis got half of their points from the starters, and half of their points from the bench.  The Brandeis bench outscored the Emory bench, 37-15.

Brandeis coach Brian Meehan remains undefeated against Emory-- Brandeis is now 7-0 against Emory under coach Meehan.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 21, 2007, 06:07:09 PM
Wash U 73 Carnegie Mellon 49

The Bears again cruised in this one, as it was never even close. WU struggled a bit offensively in the first half, but the Tartans inept offense gained just 16 points and WUSTL took a 30-16 into the half. WashU turned it over 10 times in half one, but quickly took control in the second half, going on a big run and opening up a 30 point lead which they more or less maintained for the bulk of the second half. Edwards pulled Wallis and Ruths with almost 7 minutes left and there was an extended garbage time. CMU hit a couple late threes to make the score a bit more respectable. This one was all WashU.

Four Bears checked in with double figure days, led by Ruths who went 7-12 and finished with 15. Wallis had 15 and 5 assists. Nading had 12 and 9 boards. Freshman point guard Aaron Thompson, who has really come into his own of late, added 14 on an efficient 5-9 shooting including 2-4 from three.

Onto Brandeis and NYU and looking to open up a bigger edge in the UAA standings. Early lines: -9 against Brandeis. -7 against NYU. 7 days until Ruths vs. Boone Round I...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 22, 2007, 11:18:25 AM
CMU's lack of experience and scoring threats is catching up with them.  They lost their 5 top scorers from a year ago (plus a senior big man, Greg Gonzalez, who is out for the year with an injury) .  They have some good young talent, but it will be difficult for them in league play against experienced opponents, especially on the road.  They may make a few upsets at home, but I wouldnt be surprised if they only had one or two wins on the road (in-conference) this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 22, 2007, 01:49:00 PM
One thing allen left out is that andre was just 2 boards shy of a triple double, the 10 and 10 pts and assists are key stats, but what might be more impressive is that at 5-9 he took down 8 rebounds. he will be a key player in the games to come, especially if kwame gets in foul trouble early like he did this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on January 22, 2007, 03:07:33 PM
Since I haven't seen it noted here, I thought I'd mention that Chicago set a new UAA record with 17 three-point field goals in Sunday's win over Rochester.  Senior Jesse Meyer led the way with a 6-for-6 effort from downtown.

The three-point shot has been such a weapon for UC in the Cunningham/McGrath era (thinking of Jason Milesko, Matt Morycz, Andy Strommen, even Derek Reich), that I'm actually surprised 17 is the record.  But, I guess 51 points on threes is quite a lot.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 26, 2007, 07:44:28 AM
On Monday, I got interviewed by the Chicago Maroon in advance of this weekend's games involving Brandeis.

The interview is in today's edition of the Chicago Maroon-- which you can read at http://maroon.uchicago.edu

My comments on the article are posted in the UAA Women's Discussion forum, but I also wanted to add that I'm flattered about the effect that my trip to the Midwest had on the Chicago fan base. 

That being said, I'll be glad to listen to this weekend's games on my computer, and then prepare for the next weekend-- when Chicago and Wash U come to Auerbach Arena to play Brandeis. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 26, 2007, 11:54:39 AM
That was an informative interview, deiscanton. It's nice to see your dedication and passion recognized. I don't think there's much debate about who Brandeis's #1 Fan is.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on January 26, 2007, 12:08:22 PM
Allen, I've long been a fan of you and your posts.  I enjoy your comments and have learned quite a lot about Brandeis and the UAA through you.  I'm glad to see your support recognized outside our little world.  I'm sorry that you consider yourself to be held back by "karma," so I've proudly added one point to your tally and will continue to do so whenever I think of it.  Keep up the good work!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: old_hooper on January 26, 2007, 12:50:35 PM
deis, you are what makes DIII basketball special!  And kudos to the Maroons for article.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 26, 2007, 01:44:08 PM
Many thanks for the kind remarks.

I just wanted to add that the UAA put in the various links to follow the internet game action this weekend on both the men's and women's basketball pages-- I put in how to follow the respective games this weekend on the UAA women's forum.

The UAA Conference page is at http://www.uaa.rochester.edu

Follow the links for men's and women's basketball, and the game links are on those pages.

Review of the tip times for the men's games this weekend

Friday, January 26

1.)  Case at Rochester-- 8 PM Eastern
2.)  Emory at Carnegie Mellon-- 8 PM Eastern
3.)  Brandeis at Wash U-- 8 PM Central/9 PM Eastern
4.)  NYU at Chicago-- 8 PM Central/9 PM Eastern

Sunday, January 28

1.)  Case at Carnegie Mellon-- Noon Eastern
2.)  Emory at Rochester-- Noon Eastern
3.)  Brandeis at Chicago-- Noon Central/1 PM Eastern
4.)  NYU at Wash U-- Noon Central/1 PM Eastern

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 26, 2007, 07:45:16 PM
Deis:

I echo Collinge's thoughts and dished some karma your direction.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 26, 2007, 10:56:37 PM
just heard about this and wanted to let everyone on here know...the chicago maroon, the student newspaper at u chicago has written a feature article on Allen as a set up for this weekends action between chicago and brandeis. in my opinion which doesn't mean much, it is very well written and frankly very nice especially considering it is about a fan off the competition. sorry i have not provided a link but it is not too hard to find on the chicago site.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2007, 11:03:12 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 26, 2007, 07:44:28 AM
On Monday, I got interviewed by the Chicago Maroon in advance of this weekend's games involving Brandeis.

The interview is in today's edition of the Chicago Maroon-- which you can read at http://maroon.uchicago.edu

My comments on the article are posted in the UAA Women's Discussion forum, but I also wanted to add that I'm flattered about the effect that my trip to the Midwest had on the Chicago fan base. 

Allen mentioned it in his post this morning.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 26, 2007, 11:55:55 PM
my apologies i should really read more than just the previous post...anyway, a tough loss for the judges tonight at wash u. wash moves to 6-0 in conference with the 4 pt win, and deis go down to 3-3. joe coppens came back into his usual shooting form with 17 pts, and steve deluca netted a double double with 11pts/11 boards, en route to his 1000th point, becoming the 25th player in brandeis history to reach this milestone. the money number for the judges this weekend and next is 3 for 4, taking their one exceptable loss tonight. however this was expected to be the toughest game of the four.

wash u was impressive from the free throw line, i know that prior to the late game fouls by the judges the bears had been shooting over 90%, compared to the judges 67%, obviously a key factor in tonights game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 27, 2007, 01:06:32 AM
Chicago 62, NYU 60

A slow-paced but very tight game tonight at Ratner. Chicago (14-3, 5-1) led NYU (14-3, 3-3) most of the way, although NYU pulled out in front at the half by one. The Maroons had a lead as big as ten midway through the first half, but they never managed to pull away.

This was Nate Hainje's night. The junior forward, who is so active that there appears to be two of him on the floor at times, had 14 points, 9 rebounds, and 6 assists for the Maroons. Brandon Woodhead also scored 14, and Drew Adams added 11. Jason Boone, who is as physically intimidating as his numbers would seem to indicate, had 19 points and 11 rebounds, while Michael DeCorso added 16 for the Violets.

Boone is not the only buff specimen on the Violets, who in spite of having the second-wimpiest nickname in all of D3 look more like a pack of NFL linebackers than a D3 basketball team. Strangely enough, however, they don't play as physically as I thought they would. I figured that they'd be throwing the skinny Maroons all over the floor, but NYU appeared to be a lot more finesse-oriented than their size and strength advantage would indicate. I particularly figured that Boone would get more touches in the post, as he has soft hands and a deft inside shooting touch to go with his powerful physique, but he only got off nine shots and went to the line for seven throws. Give Chicago credit for using their quickness advantage and good positioning to deny the entry, but it seemed to me that the Violets could've worked harder to get Boone the ball where he could do some damage.

Boone proved to be his worst enemy. After committing a perimeter foul with two minutes and change remaining and the Maroons up, 60-56, Boone dropped an f-bomb that was caught by the keen ears of head official Kenny Faulkner. Two tech FTs by Adams later, it was a six-point lead in crunch time, and it would prove to be all the scoring that Chicago would need. DeCorso made a layup and was fouled by Hainje, but he failed to convert the three-point play. After shutting down the Maroons on their next possession, Daniel Falcon made a layup to bring the score to 62-60 in favor of the hosts with two minutes left. After an exchange of futile possessions, NYU stripped the ball and set up for the tying shot. But after missing a short jumper, Falcon hacked Hainje with 1:06 left. What Faulkner and the other refs missed, however, was that after the whistle had blown Falcon threw Hainje to the floor and stepped on his chest. It was a pretty egregious display of nasty behavior, but all three refs had their backs turned and were walking down the floor, so they all acted surprised when Hainje staggered off the floor clutching his chest as Chicago coach Mike McGrath called a timeout.

Woodhead lost the ball underneath the basket with a half-minute left, giving NYU yet another opportunity to tie. This time, though, the Violets played for the win, as DeCorso attempted a trey from the top of the key with six seconds left. He missed, and somehow Hainje snuck in front of Boone and Falcon to garner the carom. The burly visitors flung Hainje to the floor in desperation, and it looked as though Chicago was in good shape to wrap it up in a bow.

However, Hainje missed the front end of the bonus, giving NYU one final chance. After a timeout with four seconds left, DeCorso threw the inbounds pass three-quarters of the length of the court, hitting Boone perfectly. But rather than take the ball to the basket himself, Boone passed it off to Charlie Parker on the wing. Chicago freshman Jake Pancratz somehow got his hands on the pass and pushed the ball away; Parker went down on the floor, grabbed it, and threw up a desperation shot while on his back that Woodhead swatted away as the final buzzer went off.

An exciting finish to a great game. The Maroons earned this one the hard way.

Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 26, 2007, 11:54:39 AM
That was an informative interview, deiscanton. It's nice to see your dedication and passion recognized. I don't think there's much debate about who Brandeis's #1 Fan is.

I sat a few rows behind Allen during last year's Brandeis @ Chicago contest and really enjoyed his enthusiasm. Sorry you can't make it out to the midwest this year, Allen.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sean-o on January 27, 2007, 01:16:48 AM
Hainje said in his postgame radio interview that Falcon's chest stomp was unintentional. I half-jokingly asked if he really knew it was unintentional, and he said that Falcon apologized right away and that he knew he was genuine.

So no bad blood there.

And Hainje has for the last two years been my absolute favorite men's player. It's great that he's finally getting the attention now that he takes more than six shots a game and manning up to 4s instead of 3s.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 27, 2007, 02:56:46 PM
At least I can hear Omar from Chicago call the game tomorrow.  It will be very interesting to hear a Brandeis/Chicago game announced from a "British" perspective.  :)

I'll consider a trip to the Midwest again next year, but I'll have to see if I can put aside some money over the year to pay for the airline and hotel expenses.  I'll have to make a final decision on that trip in October so that I can pay for the tickets if I decide to go.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 28, 2007, 12:10:24 AM
Hope you get there.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: violet15 on January 28, 2007, 01:44:29 PM
listening to the nyu-wash game on the radio via computer. while i may be an unabashed nyu fan, i realize that i would not make a good radio announcer. i have listened to every other uaa team's radio broadvast, and while most do have a touch of homerism, at least schools such as chicago and carnegie seemed to have some humor and shame in that fact. wash's announcers seem to act as if they are professional and dignified while making comments such as "jensen goes in for a layup well i think he traveled i guess they were just long steps then but i thought it was a travel" not to mention "looked like  a foul" comments on literally EVERY missed wash shot attempt (not to mention some made attempts). also every nyu foul is a "good call." all i mean to say if you're going to be a broadcaster be a broadcaster, not a fan.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2007, 02:44:11 PM
NYU 61, Wash 57. 2:00 left.

NYU 63, Wash 59 1:37 left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2007, 02:49:51 PM
It has been a very difficult January in UAA play for the Judges.  Brandeis has now dropped to 3-4 in UAA play after going 10-1 in non-conference play, with the home victory vs. NYU the lone bright spot this month.  The loss at Carnegie Mellon is now proving to be a factor for the Judges's NCAA tournament hopes.

Realistically, I think that Brandeis will have to sweep the next 3 weekends to guarantee themselves a spot in the NCAA DIII Tournament.  Brandeis could get in on the bubble if the Judges go 5-2 in February, but that looks iffy considering that the NYU women went 18-7 and got in last year on a controversial selection.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2007, 02:50:02 PM
NYU 65, Wash 61. 1:03 NYU ball.
NYU -- Stolen by Thompson
WSL -- 0:41 FT Ruths makes Ft 1-2. Get the rebound. Call time.  NYU 65-62.
WSL -- 0:30.8
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2007, 02:51:21 PM
WSL -- Tyler Nading hits a 3FG  from 23'.  Ties at 65.
NYU -- 0:16 left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2007, 02:53:12 PM
NYU -- 0:16; NYU has no timeouts left; WSL has 3.  Wallis tried to steal but had a foul to give.  0:06. 3FG fails, OT.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: violet15 on January 28, 2007, 02:55:29 PM
nyu has little chance in overtime as ever biased st louis area refs neutralize nyus top scorers with foul calls
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2007, 02:56:44 PM
You can tell that from listening? Wow.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: violet15 on January 28, 2007, 02:59:20 PM
i can tell from the stats on the brandeis game and the stats on the number of fouls in this game but im having a little trouble hearing you down here as you shout from your high horse
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2007, 03:02:28 PM
Three Violet starters have fouled out.  WSL 71, NYU 68.
WSL (Ruths) at the line FT 2-2; WSL 73 NYU 68.

NYU fouls 31 , WSL 13 fouls.

Tyler Nading rebs for the Bears. 1:36 and 16 on the shot clock.

Ruths FG.  WSL 75-68.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: violet15 on January 28, 2007, 03:02:43 PM
and there seem to be far fewer away from the ball and "touch fouls" on wash please pat running this site doesnt give you the right to ignore well discussed biased nature of wash's refs
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: violet15 on January 28, 2007, 03:03:46 PM
personal fould NYU 31 WASH 13
yeah unbiased right?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2007, 03:05:38 PM
WSL's nading gets his 4th foul.  NYU's Clark at the line 1&1, misses the second and NYU misses the put back and Nading rebs.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2007, 03:06:56 PM
NYU Wilson Ft 1-2. WSL leads 75 -70.
WSL ball and they have the possession arrow.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: username1111 on January 28, 2007, 03:08:32 PM
I can't speak about the refs, but the Wash U broadcasters are hilarious. Late in the 2nd half they thought a foul should have been called on Boone, and when it wasn't they launched into a long lecture on NYU's "dirty play" and the refs' bias against Wash U... meanwhile, NYU has been called for more than twice as many fouls. Obviously, it's entirely possible that NYU has fouled more, but it is incredibly silly for the announcers to complain that their team is getting a raw deal. On the other hand, it has made the game an entertaining listen.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2007, 03:10:50 PM
I sometimes wonder about the variation in officiating around the country.  We saw a similar disparity when UW-Stout women came to Southwestern in Dec, and played McMurry.  The game was called "more Naismithain" for the women in Texas, and McMurry did not get their 3rd foul in the second half until 3 minutes left.  UW-Stout had 9 by that time.

0:22 WSL 75-70. Nading misses both FT.
NYU at the line.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2007, 03:12:43 PM
WSL 77-72. 0:12.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2007, 03:14:39 PM
A discussion about the most recent NYU 3FG.  One announcer says that the foot was on the arc, and the other is discussing a 22-footer running jump shot. :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2007, 03:16:00 PM
Final WSL 79 NYU 78 OT, a downtown buzzer beater 3FG by the Violets.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2007, 03:41:19 PM
Quote from: violet15 on January 28, 2007, 03:02:43 PM
and there seem to be far fewer away from the ball and "touch fouls" on wash please pat running this site doesnt give you the right to ignore well discussed biased nature of wash's refs

Nor does it mean I automatically assume everything a poster hears over the radio from student broadcasters is 100% correct and well interpreted. :)

Quote from: username1111 on January 28, 2007, 03:08:32 PM
Obviously, it's entirely possible that NYU has fouled more, but it is incredibly silly for the announcers to complain that their team is getting a raw deal.

Often this is the case. Just because a team gets called for more fouls doesn't automatically mean it is biased officiating. Often it's biased fandom.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: violet15 on January 28, 2007, 03:57:54 PM
obviously it is entirely possible, and probable that nyu had more fouls, it is simply the gap between the number of fouls, and the number of nyu players fouled out (in particular the 3 leading scorers) that i found to be rather egregious. i dont think you will ever find a disparity like that in  a game that took place at Coles in NY i'm sure if you looked through past stats you'd find this.






Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 28, 2007, 04:50:49 PM
I thought the Wash U announcers did a solid job.
-one of the Wash U announcers.

Seriously though, we stayed as impartial as possible until Mike Tyson...err...Michael Decorso...PUNCHED Sean Wallis in the face. Then, a few minutes later, Boone threw an incredibly blatant elbow to Nading's face and was called for nothing. Anyway, I appreciate the feedback. Glad to know people are listening. It was a tremendous basketball game today and the officiating was suspect on both sides. NYU has a nice team, but just couldn't seal it down the stretch. Wilson is going to be a great player. Also, why doesn't Badford shoot more? Kid has an absolute stroke.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 28, 2007, 04:59:08 PM
Also, I will give Violet 15 this: we were all over Decorso. Save for the sock armed lefty though, we were mostly complimentary of the NYU team. And perhaps you should reveal your true stripes, as number 15 on the violets is, of course, Decorso.  Boone got nothing but praise from us and we repetedly spoke of NYU's strong play and strong team. While it would be fair of you to say we were unprofessional in our comments concerning Decorso, it is unfair to say we were biased overall.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: violet15 on January 28, 2007, 05:50:43 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 28, 2007, 04:59:08 PM
Also, I will give Violet 15 this: we were all over Decorso. Save for the sock armed lefty though, we were mostly complimentary of the NYU team. And perhaps you should reveal your true stripes, as number 15 on the violets is, of course, Decorso.  Boone got nothing but praise from us and we repetedly spoke of NYU's strong play and strong team. While it would be fair of you to say we were unprofessional in our comments concerning Decorso, it is unfair to say we were biased overall.

well id first like to say that the 15 is acoincidence in all seriousness having nothing to do with decorso. seriously. dont want to drag him into this. much of my anger was probably feuled by what was going on in the game. the main problem i had with the broadcast was only with value judgements which seemed to be being made against nyu players as being "dirty" whereas (though i am of course biased, i will admit that) i have never experienced any underhandedness on thier part.
no hard feelings marty?

ps i wouls LOVE to see the game film cause it seems hard to believe an elbow or a punch could have been missed by refs who found 36 other problems with nyu's play
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sean-o on January 28, 2007, 06:31:54 PM
I would really like to thank both Brandeis fans and d3hoops.com writers for e-mailing in to the Chicago-Brandeis brodacast today. It's great to make it interactive as well as learn something about our opponents. In my experience with both soccer and basketball, Brandeis fans e-mail the most other than our own hometown ones... today even more so.

(By the way, sorry if we couldn't actually get to every thing in each e-mail... despite being commercial-free, there's just not as much time to read things at length as there is in soccer or baseball. Hopefully we integrated them well today, though, and the comments are always appreciated.)

About broadcasting, though we called our student startup Go Maroons audio a year ago (you wouldn't know now because we are using Teamline, though I suspect we will go back in the future), we really try to be as unbiased as possible. If not, we do try to make it drippingly obvious (as we do the puns). While we of course root for our home teams, we also decided from the start that the biggest compliment you can pay to a team is to take the games seriously. We also try to have fun and exaggerate the superlatives, of course (Omar's British influence).

About officiating, my personal feeling (and we did focus on the officiating more this weekend than I ever have before) is that broadcasters should mainly say that the player invovled or coaches are protesting. We don't have the best view, and every player always thinks they didn't commit or did draw the foul. Really our protests against officials is if the game is called too tight, dragging the game down. I think it's a different situation.

Again, thanks so much for listening and communicating, and we're looking forward to listening to Brandeis's and NYU's broadcasts this upcoming weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 28, 2007, 07:34:23 PM
I was at the Wash U-NYU game today. Huge descrepancy in fouls called, as noted. Just so you NYU fans won't feel alone, about 2 weeks ago I saw another game played in St. Louis between two teams in another conference. The visiting team was whistled for 33 fouls. All five of their starters fouled out, as did one other player, leaving only 3 fouls called on the five other players who played a combined 61 minutes. In that game the home team was whistled for 21 fouls. Unfortunately, the names of the officials of that game were omitted from the box score, so I can't determine if any of them were the same as those officiating at Wash U today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 28, 2007, 09:12:02 PM
A couple of observations about this weekend's UAA games:

1) The home team won every game.
2) The team with the better in-conference record going into the contest won every game.
3) Four teams retained their "mirror image" composition: Washington U. was 5-0 and Case Western Reserve was 0-5 going into the weekend. Now Washington U. is 7-0 and Case is 0-7. Chicago was 4-1  and Emory was 1-4 going in and now Chicago is 6-1 and Emory is 1-6.
4) Four teams "flip-flopped": Carnegie Mellon and Rochester were  both 2-3 going in and are now 4-3. While NYU and Brandeis were both 3-2 going in and are now 3-4.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 29, 2007, 01:19:46 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 28, 2007, 07:34:23 PM
I was at the Wash U-NYU game today. Huge descrepancy in fouls called, as noted. Just so you NYU fans won't feel alone, about 2 weeks ago I saw another game played in St. Louis between two teams in another conference. The visiting team was whistled for 33 fouls. All five of their starters fouled out, as did one other player, leaving only 3 fouls called on the five other players who played a combined 61 minutes. In that game the home team was whistled for 21 fouls. Unfortunately, the names of the officials of that game were omitted from the box score, so I can't determine if any of them were the same as those officiating at Wash U today.

To go along with what everyone said, the foul discrepency and free throws attempted really jump out at you when look at the box score.  36-16 fouls and 45 - 12 FTA in favor of WashU.  It is amazing to me that NYU kept it so close with WashU scoring 30 more points from the stripe.  What makes the stats even more curious is that NYU came into the weekend only comitting an average of 16.6 fouls per contest (while WashU was averaging 18.9 a game) which ranked them as the 63rd lowest fouling team in the country.  Additionally, at Chicago on Friday they only committed 15 fouls.  I am by no means a fan of NYU, but you would think that when you hold a team to 34% shooting, shoot 51% from 2 and 52% from 3, outrebound your opponent, and make 11 more FGs including 7 more 3s than your opponent, you could get the win.  Tough loss for the Violets.  I am interested to see what the box score will be like at NYU on Friday in the return trip.  If the number of fouls is in the teens, as you would expect by their average, that 36 foul night will look even worse and reflect badly on WashU and the officials they hire (in my opinion).  You expect a home court advantage, but I have never seen that type of disparity before, especially when 4 starters foul out on one team and none on the other.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 29, 2007, 06:03:14 AM
There were huge foul discrepancies in both Wash U men's home games this weekend.

If you take a look at the box score from Friday's Wash U/Brandeis men's game, the foul discrepancy was still significant.  Brandeis was called for 27 fouls to Wash U's 15.-- thereby leading to Wash U outscoring Brandeis 31-8 at the charity stripe.   Brandeis outscored Wash U at the field, 56-37, when the charity stripe is taken out of the equation.

When a UAA team plays on the road, I don't expect the visiting team to get the benefit of the doubt of the foul call in close-call situations.  However, I do expect that the refs should at least call the game fairly and not have too much suspicion of "homer" bias.

The rematches next week at NYU and Brandeis will tell a lot in whether the foul calling is a result of Wash U's playing style vs. the other two teams.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 29, 2007, 10:03:04 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 29, 2007, 06:03:14 AM
There were huge foul discrepancies in both Wash U men's home games this weekend.

If you take a look at the box score from Friday's Wash U/Brandeis men's game, the foul discrepancy was still significant.  Brandeis was called for 27 fouls to Wash U's 15.-- thereby leading to Wash U outscoring Brandeis 31-8 at the charity stripe.   Brandeis outscored Wash U at the field, 56-37, when the charity stripe is taken out of the equation.

When a UAA team plays on the road, I don't expect the visiting team to get the benefit of the doubt of the foul call in close-call situations.  However, I do expect that the refs should at least call the game fairly and not have too much suspicion of "homer" bias.

The rematches next week at NYU and Brandeis will tell a lot in whether the foul calling is a result of Wash U's playing style vs. the other two teams.

With the talk about foul discrepencies, I decided to check for myself who has the largest home court advantage, in terms of fouls called on the home team versus the visiting team.  The values listed are for conference games only and in the following format: # of fouls per game at home- # of fouls per game of visiting opponents= difference (games). + means the difference is in the home teams favor, - means in the visitor teams favor.

WashU: 16.3-26 = +9.7 (4)
Rochester: 16.3-21 = +4.7 (4)
CMU: 18-22.2= +4.2 (5)
Chicago: 14.4-18.2 = +3.8 (5)
Emory: 23.5-21.5 = -2.0 (2)
Case: 18.7-16= -2.7 (3)
Brandeis: 18.7-15.7 = -3.0 (3)
NYU: 17.5-14 = -3.5 (2)

So WashU by far has the largest home court foul advantage (through the conference season so far).  WashU is also the only team to have more fouls called in their favor in every conference game this season at home (every other team has had at least one game where the foul discrepency was equal to zero or in their opponents favor).  WashU has averaged shooting 21 more foul shots than their opponents in those 4 games, scoring 19.5 more points than their opponents from the line per game.

It is also interesting to note that the foul calling discrepency in favor of WashU was +16 per game this weekend (15.5 - 31.5) and they shot 30 more FTs per game than their opponents (+33 v NYU, +27 v Brandeis).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2007, 10:53:48 AM

Could it also just be that WashU seems to be a step ahead of everyone else this year that might require more fouls than other teams?

What are the numbers for conference games on the road?  Is there the same basic pattern?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on January 29, 2007, 12:47:25 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 29, 2007, 10:53:48 AM

Could it also just be that WashU seems to be a step ahead of everyone else this year that might require more fouls than other teams?

What are the numbers for conference games on the road?  Is there the same basic pattern?
Wash U has played 10 non conference games this year.
Fouls called go as follows:
Game 1- Wash U. 15pf Opp. 17
Game 2- Wash U. 22pf Opp. 21
Game 3- Wash U. 15pf Opp. 12
Game 4- Wash U. 23pf Opp. 22
Game 5-  Wash U. 25pf Opp. 21
Game 6-  Wash U. 19pf Opp. 18
Game 7-  Wash U. 17pf Opp. 19
Game 8-  Wash U. 21pf Opp. 17
Game 9-  Wash U. 25pf Opp. 20
Game 10-  Wash U. 17pf Opp. 20

Wash U +12 on the year

I was at the game and it was a travesty. NYU got robbed of a hard fought victory. When two players on one team shoot more than another team completely, theres something wrong. And homecourt advantage in the UAA is always there, but it is never so blatant or obvious. It was wrong and theres a reason why the refs sprinted off the court and were out of the gym before the teams even got up to shake hands.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 29, 2007, 12:58:55 PM
I just wanted to write further, and say that I only heard an audiocast of the Brandeis at Wash U men's game on the web on Friday, so I would have to watch DVDs of both Wash U games from the weekend to be in a position to make any conclusive decisions.  (That is, if I can afford to order them from Nextplay.)

However, I am now hearing from the last post that a few personal observers of Sunday's NYU at Wash U game are raising questions about the officiating, and it is very distressing for me to hear this-- because if it becomes clear on video review that the refereeing calls were very biased in favor of the home team, that is cause for a conference review of the officiating.  Keep in mind that I have not heard any personal reports from observers present at the Brandeis/Wash U men's game about the officiating from that game yet.

It could very easily be the playing style of the Wash U men's basketball team over the past few weeks that is leading to this discrepancy in the foul calling, but the games would have to be rewatched again to make certain.

I'm just looking forward to Friday and Sunday, when Brandeis has their home rematches against Chicago and Wash U.  If Wash U sweeps NYU and Brandeis on the road this upcoming weekend, there won't be any question that Wash U is the better team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on January 29, 2007, 03:25:26 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 29, 2007, 12:58:55 PM
I just wanted to write further, and say that I only heard an audiocast of the Brandeis at Wash U men's game on the web on Friday, so I would have to watch DVDs of both Wash U games from the weekend to be in a position to make any conclusive decisions.  (That is, if I can afford to order them from Nextplay.)

However, I am now hearing from the last post that a few personal observers of Sunday's NYU at Wash U game are raising questions about the officiating, and it is very distressing for me to hear this-- because if it becomes clear on video review that the refereeing calls were very biased in favor of the home team, that is cause for a conference review of the officiating.  Keep in mind that I have not heard any personal reports from observers present at the Brandeis/Wash U men's game about the officiating from that game yet.

It could very easily be the playing style of the Wash U men's basketball team over the past few weeks that is leading to this discrepancy in the foul calling, but the games would have to be rewatched again to make certain.

I'm just looking forward to Friday and Sunday, when Brandeis has their home rematches against Chicago and Wash U.  If Wash U sweeps NYU and Brandeis on the road this upcoming weekend, there won't be any question that Wash U is the better team.

The Brandeis game is a little different than the NYU game. Wash U took many of their ft's towards the end of the game during a comeback attempt by Brandeis. IF you can find the gametape of the NYU/Waash U game, watch it and see if the officials werent biased.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: stlbballer on January 29, 2007, 04:20:04 PM
As far as the refs go - wash u has the same 8 or 9 midwest refs they've had the past 8 years.  Never before has they ever given wash u such a huge advantage purposefully during the last 8 years...so i find it strange that the same refs all of a sudden decide to do so.  Also, Wash U's best 3 players and leading scorers all had 4 fouls...but were simply smart enough not to foul themselves out of the game.  Also, the midwest calls a tighter game than the east coast...so maybe the east coast schools are used to playing more physical because they are used to getting away with it out east.  I'm not saying the refs did a great job by any means...I usually find that refs in general do a pretty poor job - but they were not purposefully biased in any way.  They miss calls and made bad calls both ways.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on January 29, 2007, 04:33:30 PM
Quote from: stlbballer on January 29, 2007, 04:20:04 PM
As far as the refs go - wash u has the same 8 or 9 midwest refs they've had the past 8 years.  Never before has they ever given wash u such a huge advantage purposefully during the last 8 years...so i find it strange that the same refs all of a sudden decide to do so.  Also, Wash U's best 3 players and leading scorers all had 4 fouls...but were simply smart enough not to foul themselves out of the game.  Also, the midwest calls a tighter game than the east coast...so maybe the east coast schools are used to playing more physical because they are used to getting away with it out east.  I'm not saying the refs did a great job by any means...I usually find that refs in general do a pretty poor job - but they were not purposefully biased in any way.  They miss calls and made bad calls both ways.
Their 3 best players all had 4 fouls and all of their 4th fouls came in the OT. If the fouls were called the same way on both ends of the court Ruths and Wallis would have been out mid 2nd Half. Ruths and Wallis were killing Boone all game in the paint. Anyone who saw this game could not deny that the calls were unfair.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2007, 04:34:27 PM
Quote from: stlbballer on January 29, 2007, 04:20:04 PM
Also, the midwest calls a tighter game than the east coast...so maybe the east coast schools are used to playing more physical because they are used to getting away with it out east.

This is a much bigger deal than a lot of people will give credit for.  I was blown away at how tight the refs called the game when I went to the Grinnell-Lawrence game last season out in Iowa.  They say that's pretty standard fare for the area and it's very, very different from what you get in New England.

I also won't discount the fact that WashU seems to have the stronger squad, and often times a stronger squad just won't commit as many fouls in a game.  I've seen in break that way plenty of times before.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: stlbballer on January 29, 2007, 04:49:18 PM
Another thing is that Wash U has very little depth this year...they got in foul trouble in some of the earlier games this year and really struggled with their best players on the bench.  So I'm sure the coaching staff is really emphasizing to the starters not to foul, b/c they cannot afford to.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 29, 2007, 06:36:04 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 29, 2007, 10:53:48 AM

Could it also just be that WashU seems to be a step ahead of everyone else this year that might require more fouls than other teams?

What are the numbers for conference games on the road?  Is there the same basic pattern?

In their road games, in conference, WashU is averaging exactly the same number of fouls received and committed (17 a game). 

As for the midwest argument: Against Chicago they committed 18 fouls and were fouled 10 times.  Against Case they committed 12 fouls and were fouled 16 times.  Those numbers look a lot lower than 36.  Against Chicago, they were only fouled 10 times.  So, in their road midwest games, they have actually committed more fouls against opponents then they have been fouled themselves (15 vs 13 per game).

You can be as loyal a WashU fan as you want or think that refs never decide the game, but when you look at the numbers for that game in particular and also consider the fact that NYU was leading for most of the game (meaning there would be no reason for them to foul intentionally at the end of the game), you just have to admit there was a huge homecourt bias.

Wash U scored 48% of their points from the free throw line in that game.  I am not sure what that value is for an average game, but 48% seems really high.  Not only did they score nearly half their points from the line, but they scored 30 more points than NYU at the line in that game (that works out be nearly 5 times as many free throws made for WashU than NYU, and nearly 4 times as many attempted).

In conclusion, I am by no means an NYU fan.  The only thing I like about NYU is that when we played there they would give us really good pizza after the games.  However, whatever arguments you are going to make, they still dont add up to 20 more fouls.

38 fouls in a 45 minute game is nearly a foul per minute.  If you consider the average possession is 25 seconds (and consider that possessions alternate, so in a 75 second span each team would have 1.5 possessions), that means that NYU had to foul WashU once every 1.5 possesions.  If you are still going to argue, that means that 2 out of every 3 times WashU came down the court, NYU fouled.  That is ridiculous and ludicrous.  Even if you make a safe estimate, it still comes out to at least one foul every other possession, which is still absurd.

As for the, why would the refs choose this game out of all the games to be really biased when they havent done it before, argument.  Well, who says they havent done it in the past.  Since it is pretty well known that NYU is a very strong team, and also that WashU is doing well this year and this game means alot, they would have alot of motivation to help "their" team win.

These are just my opinions.  I didnt go to the game, but I did talk to a few people and look at the box score thoroughly.  And I still think NYU got hosed.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 29, 2007, 06:39:29 PM
Quote from: stlbballer on January 29, 2007, 04:49:18 PM
Another thing is that Wash U has very little depth this year...they got in foul trouble in some of the earlier games this year and really struggled with their best players on the bench.  So I'm sure the coaching staff is really emphasizing to the starters not to foul, b/c they cannot afford to.

As a recent WashU alum, I wouldn't expect you to have an unbiased opinion, Mr. Stone.  Nice game versus Fontbonne last year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: violet15 on January 29, 2007, 07:34:12 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 29, 2007, 06:36:04 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 29, 2007, 10:53:48 AM

Could it also just be that WashU seems to be a step ahead of everyone else this year that might require more fouls than other teams?

What are the numbers for conference games on the road?  Is there the same basic pattern?

In their road games, in conference, WashU is averaging exactly the same number of fouls received and committed (17 a game). 

As for the midwest argument: Against Chicago they committed 18 fouls and were fouled 10 times.  Against Case they committed 12 fouls and were fouled 16 times.  Those numbers look a lot lower than 36.  Against Chicago, they were only fouled 10 times.  So, in their road midwest games, they have actually committed more fouls against opponents then they have been fouled themselves (15 vs 13 per game).

You can be as loyal a WashU fan as you want or think that refs never decide the game, but when you look at the numbers for that game in particular and also consider the fact that NYU was leading for most of the game (meaning there would be no reason for them to foul intentionally at the end of the game), you just have to admit there was a huge homecourt bias.

Wash U scored 48% of their points from the free throw line in that game.  I am not sure what that value is for an average game, but 48% seems really high.  Not only did they score nearly half their points from the line, but they scored 30 more points than NYU at the line in that game (that works out be nearly 5 times as many free throws made for WashU than NYU, and nearly 4 times as many attempted).

In conclusion, I am by no means an NYU fan.  The only thing I like about NYU is that when we played there they would give us really good pizza after the games.  However, whatever arguments you are going to make, they still dont add up to 20 more fouls.

38 fouls in a 45 minute game is nearly a foul per minute.  If you consider the average possession is 25 seconds (and consider that possessions alternate, so in a 75 second span each team would have 1.5 possessions), that means that NYU had to foul WashU once every 1.5 possesions.  If you are still going to argue, that means that 2 out of every 3 times WashU came down the court, NYU fouled.  That is ridiculous and ludicrous.  Even if you make a safe estimate, it still comes out to at least one foul every other possession, which is still absurd.

As for the, why would the refs choose this game out of all the games to be really biased when they havent done it before, argument.  Well, who says they havent done it in the past.  Since it is pretty well known that NYU is a very strong team, and also that WashU is doing well this year and this game means alot, they would have alot of motivation to help "their" team win.

These are just my opinions.  I didnt go to the game, but I did talk to a few people and look at the box score thoroughly.  And I still think NYU got hosed.

hugenerd serious accolades for bringing some credibility to the feelings of all nyu fans by your unbiased agreement with the conclusion we(and i am confident i speak for all of the nyu faithful) have come to. at least the issue has been brought to light in some public manner
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: stlbballer on January 29, 2007, 08:18:48 PM
Ok, my point was not that NYU didn't get screwed by officials.  It is entirely possible and they probably did.  I saw Friday's game, but didn't see the NYU game.  My point was that I do not believe it was an intentional effort by the refs, probably just a series of poor calls.  I'm just arguing the people who have looked at the last few home games and say the officials are making a point to help them win. 

As far as your stats about their midwest road games...that kind of support my statement of the east coast calling it looser and playing more physical.  When two midwest teams play they are used to the tighter calls and don't foul as much.  Obviously, just a theory.  I'm not saying the officiating wasn't terrible Sunday, I didn't see it.  But that's not something you can judge solely by a box score, you'd have to be at a game. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: violet15 on January 29, 2007, 08:35:32 PM
Quote from: stlbballer on January 29, 2007, 08:18:48 PM
Ok, my point was not that NYU didn't get screwed by officials.  It is entirely possible and they probably did.  I saw Friday's game, but didn't see the NYU game.  My point was that I do not believe it was an intentional effort by the refs, probably just a series of poor calls.  I'm just arguing the people who have looked at the last few home games and say the officials are making a point to help them win. 

As far as your stats about their midwest road games...that kind of support my statement of the east coast calling it looser and playing more physical.  When two midwest teams play they are used to the tighter calls and don't foul as much.  Obviously, just a theory.  I'm not saying the officiating wasn't terrible Sunday, I didn't see it.  But that's not something you can judge solely by a box score, you'd have to be at a game. 
bro
a "series of bad calls" does not a create a 20 foul and 33 free throw differential. its nothing personal against wash players fans or even coaches. i and im sure my nyu compadres wouldnt doubt the school's integrity. but foul statistics that are so one sided. it is very understandable to question the integrity of the officials.
it is also intersting to note that aside from the fianl score, the only stats where wash had an advantage were in fouls ft attempted and ft made. once again, simply very peculiar.
as for the midwest argument. nyu had 15 fouls vs chicago (or somehere thereabouts, im not sure of the exact number, apologies)  which last i checjed was midwestern. so i feel like that argument isnt so sound. once again i would like to reiterate that the problem simply isnt essentially with wash or its players or fans. at the core the real problem was with the officiating. plain and simple
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 30, 2007, 05:28:29 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 29, 2007, 04:34:27 PM
Quote from: stlbballer on January 29, 2007, 04:20:04 PM
Also, the midwest calls a tighter game than the east coast...so maybe the east coast schools are used to playing more physical because they are used to getting away with it out east.

This is a much bigger deal than a lot of people will give credit for.  I was blown away at how tight the refs called the game when I went to the Grinnell-Lawrence game last season out in Iowa.  They say that's pretty standard fare for the area and it's very, very different from what you get in New England.

Most people who have seen multiple D3 teams from different parts of the country say the exact opposite, that the style of ball here in the heartland tends to be more physical. Some of the South Region folks have talked quite a bit about how hard it has been for their teams to adjust to the added bumping, pushing, and shoving that goes on in the paint in D3 tournament games against midwestern teams.

As for Grinnell vs. Lawrence, c'mon, HF ... you aren't really using a Grinnell game as evidence of a larger regional trend, are you?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 30, 2007, 09:17:14 AM
The paint is different.  There were typically rough battles in the paint, but fouls were called much more liberally, especially on drives to the basket and around the perimeter.

I know Grinnell isn't normal, but trends say that GC gets less fouls called on them than normal and that was totally not the case in my estimation.

Granted, I'm used to seeing low priority leagues in the NE rather than NESCAC or NEWMAC games, but guards, especially can get away with a lot more in the East.

I think there are also just more good post players in the midwest, which leads to tougher battles down low.

I'm going to stand by what I've seen and heard.  The games are called tighter in the Midwest.  Even in the crappy NAIA games I get to see most often.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ball_er on January 30, 2007, 09:35:12 AM
So who are you holding responsible for the fouls in the WU/NYU game?  The WU players?  The coach? Could it possibly be the players for the NYU Violets?  I was at that game and though there were certainly a lot of fouls called on NYU, they were committing a lot of fouls a number of which, including elbows thrown to the opposing team's face, that the officials did not call.  I will admit that statistically it appears one-sided and as an NYU fan it would be upsetting.  But, it should be considered that the fouls were called because the fouls were committed.  Furthermore, speaking of statistics, of the percentages listed throughout this page, I would be curious as to how many of those fouls were committed in OT.  NYU was fouling deliberately to gain possession at that po
Quote from: violet15 on January 29, 2007, 08:35:32 PM
Quote from: stlbballer on January 29, 2007, 08:18:48 PM
Ok, my point was not that NYU didn't get screwed by officials.  It is entirely possible and they probably did.  I saw Friday's game, but didn't see the NYU game.  My point was that I do not believe it was an intentional effort by the refs, probably just a series of poor calls.  I'm just arguing the people who have looked at the last few home games and say the officials are making a point to help them win. 

As far as your stats about their midwest road games...that kind of support my statement of the east coast calling it looser and playing more physical.  When two midwest teams play they are used to the tighter calls and don't foul as much.  Obviously, just a theory.  I'm not saying the officiating wasn't terrible Sunday, I didn't see it.  But that's not something you can judge solely by a box score, you'd have to be at a game. 
bro
a "series of bad calls" does not a create a 20 foul and 33 free throw differential. its nothing personal against wash players fans or even coaches. i and im sure my nyu compadres wouldnt doubt the school's integrity. but foul statistics that are so one sided. it is very understandable to question the integrity of the officials.
it is also intersting to note that aside from the fianl score, the only stats where wash had an advantage were in fouls ft attempted and ft made. once again, simply very peculiar.
as for the midwest argument. nyu had 15 fouls vs chicago (or somehere thereabouts, im not sure of the exact number, apologies)  which last i checjed was midwestern. so i feel like that argument isnt so sound. once again i would like to reiterate that the problem simply isnt essentially with wash or its players or fans. at the core the real problem was with the officiating. plain and simple
int in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 30, 2007, 10:23:33 AM
Quote from: ball_er on January 30, 2007, 09:35:12 AM
So who are you holding responsible for the fouls in the WU/NYU game?  The WU players?  The coach? Could it possibly be the players for the NYU Violets?  I was at that game and though there were certainly a lot of fouls called on NYU, they were committing a lot of fouls a number of which, including elbows thrown to the opposing team's face, that the officials did not call.  I will admit that statistically it appears one-sided and as an NYU fan it would be upsetting.  But, it should be considered that the fouls were called because the fouls were committed.  Furthermore, speaking of statistics, of the percentages listed throughout this page, I would be curious as to how many of those fouls were committed in OT.  NYU was fouling deliberately to gain possession at that po
Quote from: violet15 on January 29, 2007, 08:35:32 PM
Quote from: stlbballer on January 29, 2007, 08:18:48 PM
Ok, my point was not that NYU didn't get screwed by officials.  It is entirely possible and they probably did.  I saw Friday's game, but didn't see the NYU game.  My point was that I do not believe it was an intentional effort by the refs, probably just a series of poor calls.  I'm just arguing the people who have looked at the last few home games and say the officials are making a point to help them win. 

As far as your stats about their midwest road games...that kind of support my statement of the east coast calling it looser and playing more physical.  When two midwest teams play they are used to the tighter calls and don't foul as much.  Obviously, just a theory.  I'm not saying the officiating wasn't terrible Sunday, I didn't see it.  But that's not something you can judge solely by a box score, you'd have to be at a game. 
bro
a "series of bad calls" does not a create a 20 foul and 33 free throw differential. its nothing personal against wash players fans or even coaches. i and im sure my nyu compadres wouldnt doubt the school's integrity. but foul statistics that are so one sided. it is very understandable to question the integrity of the officials.
it is also intersting to note that aside from the fianl score, the only stats where wash had an advantage were in fouls ft attempted and ft made. once again, simply very peculiar.
as for the midwest argument. nyu had 15 fouls vs chicago (or somehere thereabouts, im not sure of the exact number, apologies)  which last i checjed was midwestern. so i feel like that argument isnt so sound. once again i would like to reiterate that the problem simply isnt essentially with wash or its players or fans. at the core the real problem was with the officiating. plain and simple
int in the game.

NYU committed 7 fouls in OT and WashU committed 3 (in regulation the fouls were 29-13).  However, 4 of the 7 fouls NYU was called on in OT were with over 2.5 minutes left, and therefore dont seem to be intentional.  There were only 3 fouls that appear to have been committed intentionally from the game report (which you can look at the NYU website below the box score).  It is also interesting that WashU scored its first 8 points of OT from the foul line (why would they intentionally foul from the beginning of OT?)and 12 of the 14 points WashU scored in OT, overall, were from the foul line.  Only 4 of those points from the line came with under 2 minutes left (when they would be getting fouled intentionally).  NYU scored only 4 points total from the line in OT (and 8 points total in the game).  WashU shot a total of 14 foul shots in OT and NYU shot 6.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: violet15 on January 30, 2007, 12:53:52 PM
Quote from: ball_er on January 30, 2007, 09:35:12 AM
So who are you holding responsible for the fouls in the WU/NYU game?  The WU players?  The coach? Could it possibly be the players for the NYU Violets?  I was at that game and though there were certainly a lot of fouls called on NYU, they were committing a lot of fouls a number of which, including elbows thrown to the opposing team's face, that the officials did not call.  I will admit that statistically it appears one-sided and as an NYU fan it would be upsetting.  But, it should be considered that the fouls were called because the fouls were committed.  Furthermore, speaking of statistics, of the percentages listed throughout this page, I would be curious as to how many of those fouls were committed in OT.  NYU was fouling deliberately to gain possession at that po
Quote from: violet15 on January 29, 2007, 08:35:32 PM
Quote from: stlbballer on January 29, 2007, 08:18:48 PM
Ok, my point was not that NYU didn't get screwed by officials.  It is entirely possible and they probably did.  I saw Friday's game, but didn't see the NYU game.  My point was that I do not believe it was an intentional effort by the refs, probably just a series of poor calls.  I'm just arguing the people who have looked at the last few home games and say the officials are making a point to help them win. 

As far as your stats about their midwest road games...that kind of support my statement of the east coast calling it looser and playing more physical.  When two midwest teams play they are used to the tighter calls and don't foul as much.  Obviously, just a theory.  I'm not saying the officiating wasn't terrible Sunday, I didn't see it.  But that's not something you can judge solely by a box score, you'd have to be at a game. 
bro
a "series of bad calls" does not a create a 20 foul and 33 free throw differential. its nothing personal against wash players fans or even coaches. i and im sure my nyu compadres wouldnt doubt the school's integrity. but foul statistics that are so one sided. it is very understandable to question the integrity of the officials.
it is also intersting to note that aside from the fianl score, the only stats where wash had an advantage were in fouls ft attempted and ft made. once again, simply very peculiar.
as for the midwest argument. nyu had 15 fouls vs chicago (or somehere thereabouts, im not sure of the exact number, apologies)  which last i checjed was midwestern. so i feel like that argument isnt so sound. once again i would like to reiterate that the problem simply isnt essentially with wash or its players or fans. at the core the real problem was with the officiating. plain and simple
int in the game.


who blamed the wash players or coaches? i specifically said they had nothing to do with it. the responsibility for this sham of a game rests squarely on the officials. washu was simply a beneficiary of this. while of course nyu fans like myself are outraged , there are objective voices who have agreed. its not as if the outcome of the game will be changed, you have your win, but admit that this was not exactly fair. i would also like to add that the popular washu argument that nyu was swimply not talented to keep up with wash, and was thus forced to foul, is simply incorrect. nyu had the game won before the offciicals dedided to take the game in their own hands. and the argument that official let some nyu fouls go uncalled is ludicrous. that woul insinuate thatnyu committed MORE than 36 fouls, that from a team that clearly does not have a foul problem (16.6 per game) and is not aided by home officials, as they average more fouls than their opponents at home games. trying to say nyu threw elbows, attacking nyu players integrity, is nothing more than an attempt to get away from the discussion of the games integrity.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on January 30, 2007, 02:42:07 PM
What I find amazing is that people who weren't at the game can pass judgment on officials who were actually watching the players and extremely biased people complaining about the bias of others.

But such is life in the United States 2007, since everything these days is based on projecting your own worst attributes on others and substituting opinion for fact.

"Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"

BTW, I was at the game for the last 7 1/2 minutes of regulation, and while it appeared to my untrained eyes that NYU was doing a lot more stuff worthy of having a fouled called, I wouldn't swear to it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: violet15 on January 30, 2007, 09:15:49 PM
Quote from: mark_reichert on January 30, 2007, 02:42:07 PM
What I find amazing is that people who weren't at the game can pass judgment on officials who were actually watching the players and extremely biased people complaining about the bias of others.

But such is life in the United States 2007, since everything these days is based on projecting your own worst attributes on others and substituting opinion for fact.

"Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"

BTW, I was at the game for the last 7 1/2 minutes of regulation, and while it appeared to my untrained eyes that NYU was doing a lot more stuff worthy of having a fouled called, I wouldn't swear to it.

i dont think anyone should use NYU-Wash as evidence for a commentary on modern american society. there are a few points that i do think need to be made. there have been in fact people in attendance at the game who on this board who have come to the same conclusion that people like me who simply saw the stats came to.

also, it is tuesday and i feel like the 3 days of discussion this game has received has spoken volumes in and of itself. there is more to worry about looking forward, including friday's rematch. which will silence one end of this debate [which could very well(but hopefully not) be my side]
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 31, 2007, 04:30:21 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 30, 2007, 09:17:14 AM
The paint is different.  There were typically rough battles in the paint, but fouls were called much more liberally, especially on drives to the basket and around the perimeter.

I know Grinnell isn't normal, but trends say that GC gets less fouls called on them than normal and that was totally not the case in my estimation.

Granted, I'm used to seeing low priority leagues in the NE rather than NESCAC or NEWMAC games, but guards, especially can get away with a lot more in the East.

I think there are also just more good post players in the midwest, which leads to tougher battles down low.

I'm going to stand by what I've seen and heard.  The games are called tighter in the Midwest.  Even in the crappy NAIA games I get to see most often.

That hasn't been my observation with regards to guards, either, although I concede that it has been quite awhile since I saw a game out east. But the physicality of midwestern big men is certainly a pretty glaring difference in D3 tourney play, according to everything I've seen and heard, and because they're used to that style the refs are much more likely to let stuff go inside here in Flyover U.S.A. that might get called in a gym somewhere else in the country.

Quote from: violet15 on January 30, 2007, 12:53:52 PMand the argument that official let some nyu fouls go uncalled is ludicrous.

You know you're in the UAA room when a poster spells "ludicrous" correctly, rather than the way that the rapper spells it. :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2007, 08:59:42 AM

Again, I haven't had much opportunity to see games in the "big" conferences, but usually the eastern refs let everything go, except for things that are obviously not fouls, which are whistled with reckless abandon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 31, 2007, 04:50:16 PM
People don't seem to understand that the reason WashU doesn't foul all that much is because they can't afford to. Wallis played 40 minutes, Ruths played something like 38. They have to be especially careful because Edwards hasn't been going to his bench nearly as much as other coaches. NYU went 10, 11 deep and could afford to play a more aggressive style. That said, there were some ludicrous away from the ball fouls on NYU. But besides those 2 or 3 off the ball fouls, most of the calls were legit.

Nading has the quickest first step in the league and thus gets to the rim constantly, forcing teams to foul. Ruths is the most dominant big man in the league and when he gets the ball underneath the basket, it's all but impossible not to foul him. Lastly, because of the team's fast breaking style, Wallis gets a lot of 2 on 1, 3 on 2 type sets and takes it to the lane, thereby forcing opponents to hack him. I'll acknowledge that NYU got burned on a couple bone head away from the ball stuff and DeCorso's fifth, if I remember correctly, was pretty ticky tacky. Other then that though, everything I just said is evidence enough that the tempo of WashU's play coupled with the style of its individual offensive weapons forces opponents to foul more than they'd like.

Lastly, everyone loves to pick on the best team and that's what this is really about. The Bears were expected to have a down year, as people underestimated the strength of their young talent. Finally, observers suspected, NYU or Brandeis was supposed to break through and thus far, they haven't. I understand the frustration, but please don't tack it up to some sort or grand conspiracy on the part of Midwest refs. Besides the NYU game and to slight extent the Brandeis game, WashU has had relatively little trouble dismantling its UAA opponents. Until, they perform otherwise, stick to basketball, not conspiracies.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 31, 2007, 06:17:10 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 31, 2007, 04:50:16 PM
People don't seem to understand that the reason WashU doesn't foul all that much is because they can't afford to.

So NYU can afford to lose 4 of their starters?

Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 31, 2007, 04:50:16 PM
The Bears were expected to have a down year, as people underestimated the strength of their young talent.

They were picked in the preseason poll to finish 3rd, not exactly a down year, and had 1 vote to finish in first place.  Additionally, there were only a few points separating 1st through 4th in the conference in the preseason poll.  Additionally, WashU finished second in the UAA last year to a CMU team who lost its top 7 scorers.  I dont think anybody was putting them in the bottom half of the conference.

Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 31, 2007, 04:50:16 PM
I understand the frustration, but please don't tack it up to some sort or grand conspiracy on the part of Midwest refs.

Unless I am mistaken, you are the first person to mention any type of conspiracy.  Everyone else was arguing that this game in particular (some also mentioned the Brandeis game) was called much in the favor of the home team. 

Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 31, 2007, 04:50:16 PM
Until, they perform otherwise, stick to basketball, not conspiracies.

NYU performed pretty well according to the box score against WashU, they actually had better statistics in almost every category--- except free throw attempts.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on January 31, 2007, 07:07:54 PM
Quote from: violet15 on January 30, 2007, 09:15:49 PM
i dont think anyone should use NYU-Wash as evidence for a commentary on modern american society.

I was talking about the discussion, not the game.

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also, it is tuesday and i feel like the 3 days of discussion this game has received has spoken volumes in and of itself.

It speaks volumes about the people posting here, not the game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on January 31, 2007, 07:12:41 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 31, 2007, 06:17:10 PM
Unless I am mistaken, you are the first person to mention any type of conspiracy.  Everyone else was arguing that this game in particular (some also mentioned the Brandeis game) was called much in the favor of the home team. 

Well, given that two different sets of refs handled the two games....

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NYU performed pretty well according to the box score against WashU, they actually had better statistics in almost every category--- except free throw attempts.

Define almost.  Here's the box score:

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/mensbball/GAME17.HTM

Turnovers and Steals favor WashU and Rebounds and blocked shots are about even.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: violet15 on January 31, 2007, 08:03:21 PM
Quote from: mark_reichert on January 31, 2007, 07:07:54 PM
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also, it is tuesday and i feel like the 3 days of discussion this game has received has spoken volumes in and of itself.

It speaks volumes about the people posting here, not the game.

im sorry i missd the part where you are any different than the rest of us, as you simply present your case the way we present ours.
Quote from: mark_reichert on January 31, 2007, 07:12:41 PM


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NYU performed pretty well according to the box score against WashU, they actually had better statistics in almost every category--- except free throw attempts.

Define almost.  Here's the box score:

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/mensbball/GAME17.HTM

Turnovers and Steals favor WashU and Rebounds and blocked shots are about even.

to which ill say that "about even" isnt even, one team had more, and that team was nyu. and fine you have steals and turnovers. turnovers mean nothing, points off turnovers are what count so get me that number if you want to make an argument. and if you're gonna argue on behalf of Wash the numbers simply are not your friend. no one is saying wash is a bad team, hell ill even say they probably are better than nyu. but they werent this sunday. nyu was simply outplaying wash the whole game and the numbers on the floor show that. nyu shot over 50 percent for the game, 52 from 3, while holding wash under 35 in both those categories. those numbers become even more staggering when you see that not only does the percentage come out in nyus favor, but the total field goals made: 29-18. Wash only made 18 shots (only 5 3s) in the entire game yet they finish with 79 points. this isnt even a close game if the game is called evenly. but it wasnt 45-12 ft attempts 36-16 fouls. this doesnt happen. of course nyu may have fouled more than wash did, but 36-16 doesnt happen. nyu isnt a high school jv team. they have played high level competion. they werent whistled for 36 fouls against chicago, or rochester, or even brandeis. it wasnt as if ruths was frustrating them inside, either (4-12). nyu outplayed wash on he court this sunday, the game was decided at the free throw line. if the spread was a few fouls, or even 5, even 10 fouls difference, there would be no discussion. nut it simply makes no sense that a team who is outplaying their oppenent would foul 20 timesmore.

in my personal opinion as ive said before, nothing is going to change, wash fans you have your win, and no one has a problem with your team. the refs decided to call it one sided, you didnt, your players didnt, your coach didnt. my problem (and i would like to say it goes for most nyu fans) is not with you or your team. i just think if that game goes down in the archives as a win for wash, as it of course will, it should go down somewhere that it wasnt exactly agreed upon by all.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on January 31, 2007, 10:07:07 PM
Quote from: violet15 on January 31, 2007, 08:03:21 PM
they [NYU] have played high level competion.

I would probably argue with you about this statement if this had been before the conference season started, but considering we are 7 games into conference play, I guess you can make this statement.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: violet15 on January 31, 2007, 11:01:13 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 31, 2007, 10:07:07 PM
Quote from: violet15 on January 31, 2007, 08:03:21 PM
they [NYU] have played high level competion.

I would probably argue with you about this statement if this had been before the conference season started, but considering we are 7 games into conference play, I guess you can make this statement.


i was referring strictly to conference play, but fair point.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: SyvertsenFan23 on February 01, 2007, 12:15:44 AM
I'm sick of hearing about the refs in the WashU/NYU game. If you were there you would know that NYU is a dirty streetball team. Every one of those fouls was deserved.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2007, 12:21:32 AM
Quote from: violet15 on January 31, 2007, 08:03:21 PM
turnovers mean nothing, points off turnovers are what count so get me that number if you want to make an argument.

It's on the box score he linked if you would look:

Points off turnovers-NYUM 14,WASHUM 30.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2007, 08:53:37 AM

Yeah, I'm sure NYU relaxes their strict admissions standards for a couple of "dirty streetballers."
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 01, 2007, 12:31:27 PM
I am not a huge fan of that statement either (and it could be interpreted in different ways depending on how you want to look at it).  Not something you would expect from an AKP president who is supposed to uphold the "core values".
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 01, 2007, 12:33:11 PM
Any predictions for tomorrows games?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2007, 12:46:28 PM
Nope, but looking forward to it.

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 01, 2007, 01:05:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2007, 12:46:28 PM
Nope, but looking forward to it.

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/

I am going to predict that NYU does not have 4 starters foul out.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2007, 03:34:49 PM
An extremely italic prediction.

Bold, not so much. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 01, 2007, 05:35:24 PM
While I'd love to say otherwise, I'm not convinced that WashU can sweep this weekend. The Bears are an excellent team, but I'm not sure they are good enough to go 14-0 in the UAA. Not that there ever really has been a team good enough to go 14-0 in the UAA. Anyhow, I do think WUSTL will take the NYU game, 74-68. Brandeis will take at least one this weekend. If they lose Friday, I think they beat us. If they win Friday, I think they might be pretty dejected about the plight of their season and WashU steals one. So I say the Bears go 1-1 on the weekend which would be absolutely fine, assuming UC gets beaten as well.

This weekend is significant because it likely marks the final time that UC and WU can lose significant ground in the league standings. Both teams will sweep the following weekend, and are assured of at least one (good chance for 2) win on the Carnegie/Rochester trip. That would set up an epic battle in St. Louis for the league title on the final weekend of league action.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 01, 2007, 05:47:47 PM
UAA Internet coverage

Weekend of Feb 2-4, 2007

Friday, Feb. 2

Tip times approx. 8 PM Eastern

1.)  Wash U at NYU-- D3HoopsNet Broadcast

Webcast (as noted) is at http://www.d3hoops.com/audio

Pat Coleman and Ray Martel on the call.

2.)  Chicago at Brandeis

Webcast is at http://www.wbrs.org

3.)  Rochester at Emory

Rochester audiocast is free at http://www.wysl1040.com

Emory audiocast is pay per listen at Teamline service-- http://www.teamline.cc-- Team Code 1028

Emory videocast is pay per view at http://www.hrptv.com

4.)  Carnegie Mellon at Case

Case audiocast is at http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/broadcast

Sunday, Feb. 4

Tip times Noon

1.)  Chicago at NYU

Webcast is at http://www.wnyu.org  (Uncertain if this will be live, though.)

2.)  Wash U at Brandeis
3.)  Rochester at Case
4.)  Carnegie Mellon at Emory

For instructions on these webcasts, please check Friday's instructions for the links of the games-- relative to the home site of the game you are interested in following.

Rochester audiocast also available for the Rochester at Case game-- see Friday's instructions for details.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on February 01, 2007, 06:39:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2007, 03:34:49 PM
An extremely italic prediction.

Bold, not so much. :)

I've never actually heard that joke before.  I'll keep it in mind.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on February 01, 2007, 06:43:48 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 01, 2007, 05:35:24 PM
While I'd love to say otherwise, I'm not convinced that WashU can sweep this weekend.

Given how close the games were in St. Louis, I'd say that's a safe bet.  I'd love to see them so it, I'm just not expecting it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 02, 2007, 08:59:40 PM
NYU must have really practiced not fouling this week.  According to the audio broadcast, NYU and their band of "dirty streetballers" (quoting SyvertsenFan23)  have only 8 fouls at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 02, 2007, 09:36:34 PM
Falcon just picked up his fourth with 5:30 to go. MUST be some kind of conspiracy.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 02, 2007, 10:04:05 PM
wow just got back from the chicago/brandeis game, and what a game that was. chicago had a pretty good lead at the half, but brandeis came out defending the 3 much better in the second half, forcing the skinny maroons to go inside which they simply could not do. brandeis actually gained a 1 pt lead, but free throws began to be an issue with about 6 minutes left. with the uc up 69-66, andre roberson missed a 3 that rimmed out and that took the momentum away from the judges. the maroons held on to win, although a quick 3 from steve deluca gave the judges hope again bringing them back within 4 with about 20 seconds left.

chicago played very well, but their team is very one-dimensional, and im not referring to turning their thin bodies sideways. whoever is the shooting coach on the south side deserves a promotion because no matter what they shoot the 3 and an impressive number of them go in. Although its shocking how even when it looks like they have a good look inside they kick it back out for the extra point. so many times i watched the ball get passed deep into the paint under the basket and kicked back outside for a 3.

to sum it up, another great game after the nail bitter on the womens side. great game played by both sides.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on February 02, 2007, 10:37:57 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 01, 2007, 05:35:24 PM
Anyhow, I do think WUSTL will take the NYU game, 74-68.
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 02, 2007, 09:36:34 PM
Falcon just picked up his fourth with 5:30 to go. MUST be some kind of conspiracy.

a little upsett are we??
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 02, 2007, 10:55:27 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 02, 2007, 09:36:34 PM
Falcon just picked up his fourth with 5:30 to go. MUST be some kind of conspiracy.

Wow no one fouled out for NYU and they only had 18 fouls for the game.  That is a swing of 25 fouls in just 5 days (+20 to -5), great coaching Coach Nesci.  He was able to completely reteach his team the art of playing defense without fouling in just 5 days.

In all seriousness though, NYU deserved to win, they shot well above 50% from 2 and 3 while dominating the boards again.  They still had 21 turnovers, but their overall domination was rewarded tonight. 

Also, good job on the call guys, done very professionally and a pleasure to listen to.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 02, 2007, 11:01:10 PM
The CMU-CWRU game looks like it was really ugly.  40 combined missed FTs.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on February 03, 2007, 12:28:11 AM
I saw NYU beat Washington U, 73-57 earlier tonight. Glad to say that the refs played no part in the outcome of this game. Washington led very early in the game, but once NYU took the lead they never relinquished it. The Violets led 30-21 at the half and led by double digits for much of the second half. The Bears made a run to cut the lead to seven, but they faded down the stretch.

NYU looked very good tonight. The team played a solid all-around game. There was good passing and ball movement, Boone and Chael Clark were effective down low, DeCorso and Parker shot the ball well from long range and the team's defense was very good as well.

With the sole exception of Troy Ruths, the Bears relied exclusively on the outside shot. In fact, the Bears hit 10 three's but scored only seven two-point baskets, which is very odd. 

Michael DeCorso led the Violets with 18 points. Charlie Parker was next with 17 and Jason Boone added 16.  Tyler Nading was high man for Washington with 22 points and Ruths added 12.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: All-around on February 03, 2007, 12:44:06 AM
I have seen Boone play over the last two years. I feel that he either just doesn't try to dominate (which I think he could if he chose to) or NYU does not decide to pound the ball inside, because I believe that if he wanted to he could get 20 and 10 every night. Anyone know what he plans to do after graduation?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2007, 01:02:42 AM
Wash U even got within four, but NYU scored the next eight.

Wash U got a couple big stops and another possession when NYU missed two foul shots while the game was still in doubt, but couldn't do anything with them.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: username1111 on February 03, 2007, 10:46:52 AM
Quote from: All-around on February 03, 2007, 12:44:06 AM
I have seen Boone play over the last two years. I feel that he either just doesn't try to dominate (which I think he could if he chose to) or NYU does not decide to pound the ball inside, because I believe that if he wanted to he could get 20 and 10 every night. Anyone know what he plans to do after graduation?

The NYU game programs and a local newspaper article have both said he would like to continue his basketball career if possible.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on February 03, 2007, 11:26:18 AM
QuoteThe Bears are an excellent team, but I'm not sure they are good enough to go 14-0 in the UAA. Not that there ever really has been a team good enough to go 14-0 in the UAA.

In fact, three teams in UAA history have gone unbeaten in conference:

1997-98 Chicago
- Senior year for the All-American backcourt of Rusty Loyd and Aaron Horne (also my senior year at UC).  This was a terrific team with Final Four potential; unfortunately, they had to play their Sweet 16 game up in Platteville, WI against Bo Ryan and the Pioneers.  UWP went on to a perfect season and the national title.

1999-00 Chicago
- Team's two leading scorers were freshman Derek Reich and senior Brad Henderson.  The Maroons closed out their perfect conference slate with a 61-59 win at Wash U.

2001-02 Washington
- Team was led by the inside tandem of Chris Jeffries and Jarriot Rook.  The Bears added their name to the roll of the unbeatens by winning their final conference game, 64-62 in overtime at Chicago.  Matt Tabash's layup with :04 remaining was the game-winner in that contest at Henry Crown Field House.

Congratulations to the NYU on the win Friday night.  The number of perfect UAA records will stay at three for another year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on February 03, 2007, 01:52:42 PM
Last night's UAA results:

Carnegie Mellon 70, Case Western Reserve 68
Chicago 74, Brandeis 69
Rochester 81, Emory 65
NYU 73, Washington U. 57


1) The visiting team won three out of the four games. NYU was the only home team to win.
2) The team with the better conference record going in to the contest won three out of the four games. NYU was the only team with a poorer conference record to win a game.
3) Washington U. suffered their first conference defeat.
4) Chicago moved into a first-place tie with Washington U.
5) Emory remained stuck on one conference win.
6) Case remained winless in conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 04, 2007, 02:29:32 PM
Had a lot of trouble with the webcast and didn't get to hear the WU Brandeis action. ANyone have a score/highlights?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on February 04, 2007, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 04, 2007, 02:29:32 PM
Had a lot of trouble with the webcast and didn't get to hear the WU Brandeis action. ANyone have a score/highlights?

http://www.d3hoops.com/schedule.php?date=2007-02-04&team=mens
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sean-o on February 04, 2007, 03:12:30 PM
I kept a little track here at the end: http://maroon.uchicago.edu/sportsreport/?p=138

I'm sure the box and recap will be much more descriptive, but this works more off the (three) overtime broadcast.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 04, 2007, 09:03:45 PM
Congratulations to the Brandeis men's basketball team on becoming the first Brandeis men's team to defeat Wash U since the 1991-92 season.  It had to take triple overtime to do it, but Wash U wasn't going to go down without a fight. 

To put a little perspective into this:

Auerbach Arena opened in January, 1992, and the Brandeis men's team was led by what is now known as Brandeis's "Big Three"-- Andre James, David Brooks, and Steve Harrington.  These three were the senior captains of that team, and all 3 had scored over 1,000 career points for Brandeis.  Andre James could take it inside for big-time dunks; David Brooks could also hit it from the inside, and Steve Harrington was the shooting guard who would hit the "3" if opposing defenses concentrated too much on stopping Brooks and James.  The novelty of Auerbach Arena drew large numbers of Brandeis students every game to support their team-- even if Brandeis was only playing an average local team that night.

The 1991-92 Brandeis men's basketball team qualified for the ECAC New England tournament as the #6 seed, and defeated 3 NESCAC teams on the road in Bates, Williams, and Colby (and all 3 would have been in the top 25 in my opinion-- if weekly polls had existed at the time-- along with Brandeis)  to capture the title.  At the time, NESCAC prohibited its members from competing in the NCAA DIII tournament, and the NCAA DIII men's basketball tournament only consisted of 40 teams-- I didn't have a clue at the time as to how the teams got selected for the NCAA tournament back then.

Although Brandeis alum Ken Still was the head coach of the 1991-92 team, he assumed his position in October, 1991 after the previous coach, Kevin O' Brien, resigned to take an assistant coaching job at Harvard.  Kevin O' Brien is now a professional scout for the Toronto Blue Jays baseball team.  Larry Greer was an assistant coach on the 1991-92 Brandeis men's basketball team-- today Larry Greer is a scout for the NBA's Houston Rockets.  Larry's older brother, Andy Greer, also helped recruit talent that ended up as seniors on the 1991-92 Brandeis men's team-- today Andy Greer is also a scout for the Houston Rockets.

Steve Harrington (Brandeis '92) currently is the head coach for the Watertown (MA) high school boys basketball varsity team, and all the members of Brandeis's "Big Three" are members of the Brandeis Athletics Hall of Fame.

Throughout this season, I always felt that this year's Brandeis men's team is the best team that I have seen since the 1991-92 season, and now I have a tangible result to prove it.  If this season is remembered for nothing else, it will be remembered for this Brandeis win over Wash U today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on February 04, 2007, 11:08:39 PM
I watched NYU defeat Chicago, 79-76, this afternoon at Coles. It was a very well-played, exciting contest. NYU led from the opening tap, but the game was not decided until the final buzzer. The Violets raced out to an 8-0 lead but the Maroons got back into it pretty quickly. The game was close for most of the half, but NYU opened up some breathing room behind five three's by Michael DeCorso and went into the locker room with a 40-29 advantage.

In the second half, Nate Hainje and Brandon Woodhead got going and the Maroons steadily closed the gap. A three-pointer by Jake Pancratz got Chicago within two points, 68-66, with a little over two minutes remaining. It was nip and tuck the rest of the way. After Jason Boone converted an offensive rebound off of a missed foul shot to put NYU up 77-73 with 15 seconds remaining, Woodhead countered with a three to make it 77-76 with nine seconds left. Charlie Parker made two free throws to put NYU up 79-76 with 7.5 seconds remaining. Woodhead had a chance to send it into OT, but his three-point attempt at the buzzer was a little off the mark enabling the Violets to come away with a hard-fought victory.

Boone led NYU with 22 points, while DeCorso had 20 and Parker added 15. Hainje was high man for Chicago with 19, followed by Woodhead with 18 and Jesse Meyer with 14.

It should be noted that Daniel Falcon went down with an ankle injury midway through the second half and did not play the rest of the game. The Maroons hit 13 three's and the Violets had eight. Chicago, remarkably, had only two turnovers for the entire game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 05, 2007, 02:14:18 PM
It was great to see that the Judges won a big one, I listened to the Women's game and the announcers were reporting that Allan was trying to whip the crowd up.  Unfortunately, didn't translate on the court.

I'm from a previous Brandeis era when we played Harvard, Northeastern, Springfield and Assumption, so it's hard to compare eras.  However, the "Big 3" then were John Perry, Mike Fahey and Major Williams, who were no slouches either.

Best game I ever saw was Harvard 122, Brandeis 117 (no O/T).  Serious shooting in that game, when it was over, the fans applauded both teams!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 02:27:30 PM
Quote from: howardjp on February 05, 2007, 02:14:18 PM
It was great to see that the Judges won a big one, I listened to the Women's game and the announcers were reporting that Allan was trying to whip the crowd up.  Unfortunately, didn't translate on the court.

Nor did it translate to giving the actual score and time, things which are helpful to listeners.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2007, 04:52:11 PM
I'm just glad that these last 2 weeks of Brandeis v. Chicago and Wash U are over, and that Brandeis can go up against some other teams in the UAA next week.  I was really exhausted after the two doubleheaders on Friday and Sunday.



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 05, 2007, 07:10:32 PM
Sorry Pat, since this is the "men's" board, didn't go into detail ....

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 02:27:30 PM
Quote from: howardjp on February 05, 2007, 02:14:18 PM
It was great to see that the Judges won a big one, I listened to the Women's game and the announcers were reporting that Allan was trying to whip the crowd up.  Unfortunately, didn't translate on the court.

Nor did it translate to giving the actual score and time, things which are helpful to listeners.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 07:13:35 PM
It applied to both games. Talking about the announcers, not you. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: benjgc on February 06, 2007, 02:13:37 AM
  Mr. Coleman:

  With all due respect, I feel that your comments regarding the WBRS broadcasts of the men's basketball game between Brandeis University and Washington University in St. Louis are inaccurate and damaging.  I had the good pleasure to serve as WBRS's color commentator for the men's game that day, and I was fortunate that I decided to record the broadcast of the game.  I recall turning to the play-by-play guy several times as he noted the time and score, and I pointed to the scoreboard to remind him a few times as well. 
  Upon further review, my memories were confirmed by the recording of the WBRS broadcast that I have on my computer.  It would be impossible for me to e-mail you the proof of this (the file is a .WAV that is over a gigabyte in size), but if you'd like, I'd be happy to burn it to DVD and send it to you. 
  Your comments (to wit, "Nor did it translate to giving the actual score and time, things which are helpful to listeners." and "It applied to both games. Talking about the announcers, not you.") are damaging to our station's reputation and hurtful to myself and my co-commentators.  We in the WBRS sports department take the work we do very seriously, and we hope to continue to bring you the finest all-student broadcasting in Division III as the years go on.

  Yours,
  Ben Gellman-Chomsky

P.S.  Shameless plug: WBRS will be broadcasting the game between the women's teams of Brandeis and Carnegie Mellon, this Friday at 6 PM.  Catch all the action at WBRS.org!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 02:33:34 AM
Benj,

No offense, but while Ray Martel and I were doing the NYU/Wash U games, we had someone back at home relaying us scores of the Brandeis/Chicago games. Except WBRS didn't give both pieces at the same time, making it impossible for us to pass along updates.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: benjgc on February 06, 2007, 10:10:05 AM
  Mr. Coleman:

  I was under the impression that you were speaking about the Brandeis-Wash. U. games of Sunday.  While I cannot speak to the time and score checks in the women's game, I happened to be the play-by-play announcer for the men's game, and so I recorded it as well.  I checked it this morning to make sure I did give frequent score updates, and I was correct in thinking that I did, to the best of my ability (as the game was very fast-paced and difficult to keep up with from a play-by-play standpoint).  Again, I would be happy to send you a DVD with either or both of my enormous .WAV files on them.
  I would like to reiterate that I mean no disrespect with my posting here, but I felt compelled to defend the quality of the broadcasts that we put out this weekend and over the course of the year.  Thank you for even taking the time to listen to us as a source of reliable information; we hope we'll always surpass expectations.

  Yours,
Ben Gellman-Chomsky
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sean-o on February 06, 2007, 11:17:08 AM
Sometimes it feels a little clunky/excessive to give a full score and time update after each scoring play, but do most people agree it's best? Or at least score after each play? I do understand listener frustration after trying to blog three different games this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on February 06, 2007, 11:23:44 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 02:33:34 AM
Benj,

No offense, but while Ray Martel and I were doing the NYU/Wash U games
MR. Coleman, do you mean Sugar Ray Martel from WFAN??
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 02:00:25 PM
Yes. Ray Martel is a founding member of D3hoops.com.

And I think "inaccurate and damaging" is a knee-jerk overreaction, so I'm glad you backed off of that. Consider time/score something to work on, a point of emphasis, so to speak. You may think you gave the information out in a complete and timely manner but the person we had listening -- who passes scores to us fairly often and has done so for years -- didn't think so. So if you're not serving that listener it could stand some improvement.

On an aside, the time that some broadcasters use complaining about the officiating could be better used informing people of the time/score. There are easy ways to sound professional, yet still get the point across that the officiating is being disputed. Tell the listeners who is complaining -- are the fans upset, is the coach complaining, are players griping? That's what's instructive -- not that a color analyst thinks the officiating is awful.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sean-o on February 06, 2007, 03:14:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 02:00:25 PM
On an aside, the time that some broadcasters use complaining about the officiating could be better used informing people of the time/score. There are easy ways to sound professional, yet still get the point across that the officiating is being disputed. Tell the listeners who is complaining -- are the fans upset, is the coach complaining, are players griping? That's what's instructive -- not that a color analyst thinks the officiating is awful.

I definitely second all of that.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2007, 06:45:52 PM
Quote from: sean-o on February 06, 2007, 11:17:08 AM
Sometimes it feels a little clunky/excessive to give a full score and time update after each scoring play, but do most people agree it's best? Or at least score after each play? I do understand listener frustration after trying to blog three different games this weekend.

Sean, I really appreciate hearing score and time with each score.  In a really close game, I want it as often as one might consider looking at the scoreboard or the second clock if you were sitting in the stands.

I believe that it was Harry Caray among others who used the egg timer/"hour glass" to remind him to give the situation/time/score.

As I was googling that factoid, I came across this webpage (http://www.baseball-fever.com/archive/index.php/t-21419.html).  Doesn't that just bring back floods of great memories!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2007, 08:23:55 PM
By the way guys... if you have a .wav file... why don't you save a copy of that same file as an mp3 file. The quality hardly disappears, but the size of the file drops dramatically. If you are not sure how to do it, please feel free to email me... I can try and help you out!

As for complaining about refs... I think that is the one thing I do my best to work on. It is also probably the one thing that irritates those listening the most. As posters have said, there are many ways to comment on the refs calls... without sounding like all you are doing is complain.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 08:45:09 PM
And you can maintain professionalism and lack of bias at the same time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on February 06, 2007, 10:58:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 02:00:25 PM
Yes. Ray Martel is a founding member of D3hoops.com.
damn, i was standing right next to you guys after the game, and i didnt even say hi to you guys
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 11:17:10 PM
Quote from: dblock on February 06, 2007, 10:58:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 02:00:25 PM
Yes. Ray Martel is a founding member of D3hoops.com.
damn, i was standing right next to you guys after the game, and i didnt even say hi to you guys

Yeah. He's famous, I know.

I gave Martel his first job in sports radio. When he makes it huge I want a cut. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 07, 2007, 08:59:47 PM
5 UAA teams ranked in the first regional poll.  NYU (4) and Rochester (5) in the east, WashU (2) and Chicago (3) in the midwest, and brandeis ('8') in the northeast.  Looks like the UAA could make an argument for 4 (a long shot at 5), however all 5 of the regionally ranked teams play at least 2 more games against other regionally ranked oponents (Brandeis has 2, NYU and Rochester; Chicago has 2, Rochester and WashU; WashU has 2, Rochester and Chicago; NYU has 2, Brandeis and Rochester; and Rochester plays all 4 ranked opponents again).  Clearly Rochester has the toughest road ahead, but Brandeis may have the furthest ground to make up for the playoffs.  Should be interesting to watch.  I will be surprised if more than 2 teams make the postseason,  however.  I dont know if the UAA has ever sent 3, but I am only familiar with the last 6-7 years (does anyone know?).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2007, 08:39:04 AM

If Rochester just loses to all of them, maybe the other four can all get in.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 09, 2007, 08:01:29 AM
UAA Men's basketball Internet coverage

Weekend of Feb. 9-11, 2007

Friday, Feb. 9

1.)  Rochester at NYU

Tip time 8 PM Eastern

Rochester audiocast:  http://www.wysl1040.com (J.C. DeLass with the call)

NYU audiocast:  http://www.wnyu.org  (Rachel Steinberg with the call)

2.)  Carnegie Mellon at Brandeis

Tip time 8 PM Eastern

Brandeis audiocast:  http://www.wbrs.org

3.)  Emory at Wash U

Tip time 8 PM Central/ 9 PM Eastern

Wash U audiocast:  http://www.kwur.com

4.)  Case at Chicago

Tip time 8 PM Central/ 9 PM Eastern

Chicago audiocast is on the Teamline service-- Free audiocast

http://www.teamline.cc  Team Code: 3979

Live stats also available at http://athletics.uchicago.edu

Link provided on Chicago Athletics page.

Sunday, Feb. 11

1.)  Carnegie Mellon at NYU-- Tip time Noon Eastern

NYU audiocast is on the Teamline service-- Free audiocast

http://www.teamline.cc  Team Code: 1059

2.)  Rochester at Brandeis-- Tip time Noon Eastern

Rochester and Brandeis audiocasts available--see Friday's instructions for details.

3.)  Emory at Chicago-- Tip time Noon Central/ 1 PM Eastern

See Friday's links relative to Chicago to get the audiocast and live stats for that game.

4.)  Case at Wash U-- Tip time Noon Central/1 PM Eastern

Wash U audiocast available-- see Friday's instructions for details.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on February 09, 2007, 11:14:48 AM
Sunday's game vs. Emory will be the final outing at the Ratner Center for Chicago seniors Drew Adams, Derek Brannon, Jesse Meyer, Jason Vismantas and Brandon Woodhead.

Meyer and Woodhead are the stars of this class -- two kids from Nebraska who have helped to return the Maroons to national prominence:

2003-04  12-13
2004-05  10-15
2005-06  15-10
2006-07  16-4, #23 D3Hoops.com

I remember the first game for this class in 2003, as it was also Opening Night for the Ratner Center.  Having witnessed that ugly loss to Illinois Wesleyan, I can testify to how far the team has come in those four years.  The Maroons even beat IWU at the Shirk Center in Bloomington earlier this season, something no Chicago team had ever done.

Meyer is UC's single-season and career leader in three-point field goals -- remarkable feats when one considers the great long-distance shooters who have worn the maroon-and-white over the years (Clint Patterson, Jason Milesko, Andy Strommen, Tyler Smithson, etc.).  Meyer has been red-hot down the stretch in his senior season.  During Chicago's current 7-1 stretch, Jesse is 27-for-45 ( 60.0%) from downtown.

Woodhead will likely finish as the third Chicago player in history to accumulate 1,000 points and 300 assists.  The two others were All-Americans, Rusty Loyd and Aaron Horne.  However, "Woody" is a fan favorite whose game goes beyond statistics.  He is so creative with the basketball and has developed into one of the most versatile offensive players I've seen at this level: he can shoot the three, drive to the hoop, make the extra pass to an open teammate, or even post up on occasion.

Good luck to Brandon, Jesse and the other seniors the rest of the season, and in whatever life may hold for them beyond graduation.  Thanks from a fan for your efforts over the last four years.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on February 09, 2007, 10:43:46 PM
Final from Ratner:
Chicago 77, Case 73

The Maroons trailed by double digits in the second half but escaped with the victory.

The broadcasters were praising the defense of freshman Jake Pancratz throughout the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: vook on February 09, 2007, 11:31:16 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 11:17:10 PM
Quote from: dblock on February 06, 2007, 10:58:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 02:00:25 PM
Yes. Ray Martel is a founding member of D3hoops.com.
damn, i was standing right next to you guys after the game, and i didnt even say hi to you guys

Yeah. He's famous, I know.

I gave Martel his first job in sports radio. When he makes it huge I want a cut. :)

And I believe I announced the very first D3hoops.com webcast with Martel (at Widener).  It may not have even been linked off the home page, but we were online, and at least one person (Pat) was listening.  So, I think I deserve a cut too (for making Ray sound so good by comparison :-\).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2007, 12:33:15 AM
Yes, it was a live broadcast, not a test. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on February 10, 2007, 01:46:53 PM
I watched Rochester beat NYU last night, 58-53. It was a very physical, hard-fought game that went down to the wire. It looked like both teams were a little tight for much of the contest, but the Yellowjackets had enough composure to hold off the Violets down the stretch.

Rochester is a very good team with two solid big men (Ndubizu and Onyiriuka) and quite a few effective outside shooters (Chmielowiec, Juron and Brackney). Brackney played especially well last night, hitting a number of big shots, several of which were off the dribble with defenders in his face.

NYU was a three-man show: Boone, DeCorso and Parker. Daniel Falcon did not play for NYU due to an ankle injury. This certainly didn't help the Violets and their bench was virtually nonexistent.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on February 10, 2007, 02:09:02 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 10, 2007, 01:46:53 PM
I watched Rochester beat NYU last night, 58-53. It was a very physical, hard-fought game that went down to the wire. It looked like both teams were a little tight for much of the contest, but the Yellowjackets had enough composure to hold off the Violets down the stretch.

Rochester is a very good team with two solid big men (Ndubizu and Onyiriuka) and quite a few effective outside shooters (Chmielowiec, Juron and Brackney). Brackney played especially well last night, hitting a number of big shots, several of which were off the dribble with defenders in his face.

NYU was a three-man show: Boone, DeCorso and Parker. Daniel Falcon did not play for NYU due to an ankle injury. This certainly didn't help the Violets and their bench was virtually nonexistent.



Definitely an exciting game to watch. NYU played valiantly without Danny Falcon but Rochester was solid enough to hold them off at the end. Honestly I think Rochester is better than both Wash U and Chicago and they pose a huge threat to any team out there.

Question for some of the more knowledgeable posters, how does the tourney work? Especially the Pool C Bids?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on February 10, 2007, 07:56:59 PM
Quote from: dblock on February 10, 2007, 02:09:02 PM
Question for some of the more knowledgeable posters, how does the tourney work? Especially the Pool C Bids?

D3Hoops.com FAQ on NCAA Tournament (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?category=NCAA%20Tournament)

Why not start here and see how many of your questions get answered?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on February 11, 2007, 09:56:36 AM
Quote from: dblock on February 10, 2007, 02:09:02 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 10, 2007, 01:46:53 PM
I watched Rochester beat NYU last night, 58-53. It was a very physical, hard-fought game that went down to the wire. It looked like both teams were a little tight for much of the contest, but the Yellowjackets had enough composure to hold off the Violets down the stretch.

Rochester is a very good team with two solid big men (Ndubizu and Onyiriuka) and quite a few effective outside shooters (Chmielowiec, Juron and Brackney). Brackney played especially well last night, hitting a number of big shots, several of which were off the dribble with defenders in his face.

NYU was a three-man show: Boone, DeCorso and Parker. Daniel Falcon did not play for NYU due to an ankle injury. This certainly didn't help the Violets and their bench was virtually nonexistent.



Definitely an exciting game to watch. NYU played valiantly without Danny Falcon but Rochester was solid enough to hold them off at the end. Honestly I think Rochester is better than both Wash U and Chicago and they pose a huge threat to any team out there.


I don't know if Rochester is better than Wash U or Chicago, but the Yellowjackets certainly looked better against NYU than the Bears did. Without question, all three teams are very good: Wash U and Chicago are in the Top 25 and Rochester is a strong candidate to break in.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2007, 11:48:16 AM
Different style team. Wash U didn't really have anyone to body up with Boone down low and Rochester had three guys it could throw in there.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on February 11, 2007, 04:44:44 PM


D3Hoops.com FAQ on NCAA Tournament (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?category=NCAA%20Tournament)

Why not start here and see how many of your questions get answered?
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Thanks Dave
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2007, 11:48:16 AM
Different style team. Wash U didn't really have anyone to body up with Boone down low and Rochester had three guys it could throw in there.
thats exactly what I mean. I think Wash U and Chicago's weakness is that they are small. Wash U does have Ruths but thats really all they have, Nikitas is really a three who doesnt want to play defense in the paint. Chicago really has no big at all Hainje is a good # but hes not a true 4. Rochester has Unyiruka down in the paint, Uche Ndibzu down in the paint, Milbrand off the bench and they have a solid backcourt in Juron and Brackney. And Chimelwic (butchered that last name) is not bad when hes on. They are dangerous from all of their positions (as shown with Brackney going off for 21 against NYU the other night). I also think Brandeis is highly underrated, when they click on all cylinders they can be hard to stop.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 11, 2007, 10:18:02 PM
First let me apologize to everyone else on this thread for possibly abusing the message board, but this message is directed to ALLEN aka DEISCANTON, I know of no other way to contact him, so again I apologize...

Anyway Allen, a number of the students expressed interest during today's game in getting replica DEIS DEIS DEIS I'M ALLEN shirts printed for a possible road trip to NYU, or possible tournament games.

Before going any further with this idea, I wanted to clear it with you and see what you thought of it, since it is your shirt.

Also one of the ideas tossed around was to donate a portion of cost of the shirts to the Doug Flutie Jr foundation

Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 11, 2007, 11:21:18 PM
I'd buy one as quick as I purchased my Tyler Nading t-shirt style replica jersey at Friday's Wash.U. game. Allen is a UAA fixture.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 11, 2007, 11:32:05 PM
wow isnt nading only a sophomore...that is impressive, to have that kind of following, ruths must be a little jelous.

More info on the shirts as soon as Allen responds, but I am glad to see interest from outside of brandeis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 12, 2007, 08:04:20 AM
Quote from: Hoop Dreams on February 09, 2007, 10:43:46 PM
Final from Ratner:
Chicago 77, Case 73

The Maroons trailed by double digits in the second half but escaped with the victory.

The broadcasters were praising the defense of freshman Jake Pancratz throughout the second half.

Pancratz was very good, but I thought Woodhead was the star player of the night for the Maroons.

I was surprised and impressed at how well Case played. They looked much, much better than their record. That makes two games this year in which they gave the Maroons fits.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on February 12, 2007, 10:22:23 AM
I watched NYU beat Carnegie Mellon, 78-57, yesterday afternoon. The Violets, who came out focused and determined, led all the way and the game was never in doubt. NYU took advantage of their edge in size and played aggressive defense that shut down the Tartans throughout the contest. I was expecting a bit more from the Tartans (who beat NYU in their first meeting), but they shot poorly and had problems rebounding in this game.

Jason Boone led NYU with 18 points, but he shot only 6-16 from the floor. He also grabbed a game-high 19 rebounds. Mike DeCorso and Matt Basford, who has struggled in conference games, were next with 15 each.

Ryan Einwag paced Carnegie Mellon with 12 points. Brad Matta, who's only 6-1, was the Tartans' leading rebounder with nine.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 12, 2007, 11:01:37 AM
Carnegie is hurting this year on experience.  They lost their only experienced big man to injury before the season started and they are very young at pretty much every other position.  They are very inconsistent, like most young teams, and can play very well at home (wins vs. brandeis and nyu) and then play awful the next week on the road (see loss to lycoming).

I was at the brandeis game on friday and it was the same story.  They were competitive for 15 minutes or so and then it was no contest in the second half.  They dont have a real go-to-guy that will take over (they had several the last couple of years) and they dont have anyone that can consistently make plays, so when they get into a cold stretch they tend to stay there.

They should be better next year, with some more experience and the return of senior big man Gonzalez.

I just hope they can get one more win (which could be very difficult as they play the top 3 teams in the conference) so they can end up with a winning season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 12, 2007, 12:21:29 PM
About my shirt--

The idea for the slogan on my shirt initially did not come from me.  A few years back, Bob DeMartino, the father of Amanda DeMartino (Brandeis '92) came up with the slogan for the shirt as a way to distinguish me, as a Brandeis alum from other Brandeis students (who wore the Louis's Lunatics shirts) and also to make clear who I was (from the D3Hoops.com forum), since I did a lot of travelling to support the Brandeis Judges (both men and women, but the women at first primarily.)

The first version of the shirt was printed by Bob DeMartino for me-- while the current replacement shirt, which I currently wear, was given to me by Lynne Dempsey as an emergency replacement because I accidentally left the original shirt at home one day when I travelled via. public transportation to Brandeis to support the Judges for a UAA home doubleheader.  As the original shirt got worn down,  the replacement shirt became the one that I currently wear at games.

As Bob DeMartino was the one who came up with the slogan, I have to talk to him about any mass-marketing replica ideas.  This shirt was not necessarily one that was printed with the idea of mass-marketing in mind, so I have to confer about what would be comfortable with Bob and I before I make any decision on the matter. (Keep in mind that, right now, if I make a decision on the replica, I would be very uncomfortable with having someone do on the back of their replica shirt:  "I'm Allen", although maybe I could be okay with it if the student wanted their own first name on the back of the shirt, with proceeds going to charity.)

With that in mind, any further comments on this matter should be sent privately to my e-mail address at amkaron@earthlink.net, and since my filter will initially put your e-mail on my "Suspect List"  (which I can still read e-mails from-- it is not a complete bounce), please also request that I put you on my e-mail list.

To repeat:  I have not made any decisions on this matter yet, as I have just heard about it right now.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on February 12, 2007, 12:25:51 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 12, 2007, 10:22:23 AM
Brad Matta, who's only 6-1, was the Tartans' leading rebounder with nine.
He is a scrappy player
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 12, 2007, 01:55:32 PM
QOWI rankings are out:

5 top 50 teams, 6 top 100, and 7 top 200 QOWI teams:

WashU (7)
Rochester (14)
Chicago (17)
Brandeis (30)
NYU (46)
CMU (77)
Emory (172)

One thing to notice is that NYU has a relatively low QOWI compared to Brandeis and Rochester, who have similar conference and overall records.  This is because NYU only played one out of conference team in the QOWI top 100 and 3 in the top 200 (out of 11 total games).  This will hurt them if  they are a bubble team  (and most likely they will be) come tournament time. Every other UAA team in the QOWI top 50 has played a high percentage of out of conference games in the QOWI top 200.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on February 12, 2007, 02:07:35 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 12, 2007, 08:04:20 AM
I was surprised and impressed at how well Case played. They looked much, much better than their record. That makes two games this year in which they gave the Maroons fits.

I attended Chicago vs. Emory Sunday, and I was also impressed with Emory's talent level given their record.  Sure it's a cliche, but there are no easy wins in the UAA this year.

That said, the Maroons did pull away in the second half to win 89-71, and each of Chicago's five seniors finished their Ratner Center career on a high note:

Drew Adams: 14 points -- highest UAA scoring effort this season
Derek Brannon: Season-high 5 assists, 0 turnovers
Jesse Meyer: Game-high 19 points, splashed 4 of 5 threes
Jason Vismantas: 11 points, 10 rebounds -- first career double-double
Brandon Woodhead: Scored career point 1,000 with 2:34 remaining
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on February 12, 2007, 02:08:28 PM
Based on the information that's out there now, the top three are in the tournament, and NYU and Brandeis are on the bubble.

Note that WU, Chicago, and Rochester finish the season in a round-robin plus each plays Carnegie Mellon. I think the only way any one of them misses the tournament is by being swept, as the strength of schedule will stay up high with these opponents.

NYU and Brandeis are firmly on the bubble (at 15 and 16 by my numbers). If they avoid the upsets with Case and Emory, the winner of the season finale is in, and the loser is where Wash U was a year ago, under consideration but under 50% chance.

Just to clarify on the top three, when I say swept, I mean go 0-3.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 12, 2007, 02:39:20 PM
Allen, where are you? Lots of interest in your shirt, but I do not want to move forward without your consent.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 12, 2007, 02:42:41 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 12, 2007, 12:21:29 PM
About my shirt--

The idea for the slogan on my shirt initially did not come from me.  A few years back, Bob DeMartino, the father of Amanda DeMartino (Brandeis '92) came up with the slogan for the shirt as a way to distinguish me, as a Brandeis alum from other Brandeis students (who wore the Louis's Lunatics shirts) and also to make clear who I was (from the D3Hoops.com forum), since I did a lot of travelling to support the Brandeis Judges (both men and women, but the women at first primarily.)

The first version of the shirt was printed by Bob DeMartino for me-- while the current replacement shirt, which I currently wear, was given to me by Lynne Dempsey as an emergency replacement because I accidentally left the original shirt at home one day when I travelled via. public transportation to Brandeis to support the Judges for a UAA home doubleheader.  As the original shirt got worn down,  the replacement shirt became the one that I currently wear at games.

As Bob DeMartino was the one who came up with the slogan, I have to talk to him about any mass-marketing replica ideas.  This shirt was not necessarily one that was printed with the idea of mass-marketing in mind, so I have to confer about what would be comfortable with Bob and I before I make any decision on the matter. (Keep in mind that, right now, if I make a decision on the replica, I would be very uncomfortable with having someone do on the back of their replica shirt:  "I'm Allen", although maybe I could be okay with it if the student wanted their own first name on the back of the shirt, with proceeds going to charity.)

With that in mind, any further comments on this matter should be sent privately to my e-mail address at amkaron@earthlink.net, and since my filter will initially put your e-mail on my "Suspect List"  (which I can still read e-mails from-- it is not a complete bounce), please also request that I put you on my e-mail list.

To repeat:  I have not made any decisions on this matter yet, as I have just heard about it right now.

He responded, you should email him at his personal email address (listed above).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on February 12, 2007, 02:57:22 PM
Quote from: Hoop Dreams on February 12, 2007, 02:07:35 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 12, 2007, 08:04:20 AM
I was surprised and impressed at how well Case played. They looked much, much better than their record. That makes two games this year in which they gave the Maroons fits.

I attended Chicago vs. Emory Sunday, and I was also impressed with Emory's talent level given their record.  Sure it's a cliche, but there are no easy wins in the UAA this year.

That said, the Maroons did pull away in the second half to win 89-71, and each of Chicago's five seniors finished their Ratner Center career on a high note:

Drew Adams: 14 points -- highest UAA scoring effort this season
Derek Brannon: Season-high 5 assists, 0 turnovers
Jesse Meyer: Game-high 19 points, splashed 4 of 5 threes
Jason Vismantas: 11 points, 10 rebounds -- first career double-double
Brandon Woodhead: Scored career point 1,000 with 2:34 remaining

Cingrats to Mr. Woodhead he is a class act, a great basketball player, and an overall good guy
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on February 12, 2007, 10:59:41 PM
Carnegie Mellon lost a ton of talent from last year's excellent team: Mauer, Barlow-Wilcox, Johnson, and Straub are all gone. They took the biggest hit in the conference. I was surprised that they started out as strong as they did. The Tartans had wins over Capital, NYU and Brandeis. Prior to their loss to Lycoming and subsequent blowout losses to Wash U and Chicago, Carnegie looked like it might be a candidate for the Top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 12, 2007, 11:24:58 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 12, 2007, 10:59:41 PM
Carnegie Mellon lost a ton of talent from last year's excellent team: Mauer, Barlow-Wilcox, Johnson, and Straub are all gone. They took the biggest hit in the conference. I was surprised that they started out as strong as they did. The Tartans had wins over Capital, NYU and Brandeis. Prior to their loss to Lycoming and subsequent blowout losses to Wash U and Chicago, Carnegie looked like it might be a candidate for the Top 25.

Don't forget Dunn (who started a few games and was named the MVP of CMU's holiday tournament) and Greg Gonzalez (who would have been a senior this year if not for injury, he was solid inside and their leading shot blocker).  That Lycoming game seemed to be the turning point of their season and they havent been able to really get anything going since.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on February 14, 2007, 11:43:37 AM
Anybody know anything about the official UAA site going down?

http://www.uaa.rochester.edu

Haven't been able to get on for a few days now.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on February 14, 2007, 12:10:23 PM
Quote from: Hoop Dreams on February 14, 2007, 11:43:37 AM
Anybody know anything about the official UAA site going down?

http://www.uaa.rochester.edu

Haven't been able to get on for a few days now.

I haven't been able to get on since Sunday, and I have no information about what the problem is.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sean-o on February 14, 2007, 12:25:54 PM
It's worked for me since yesterday. I did have to use www.uaa.rochester.edu instead of uaa.rochester.edu for some odd reason, though...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on February 14, 2007, 01:40:25 PM
Quote from: Hoop Dreams on February 14, 2007, 11:43:37 AM
Anybody know anything about the official UAA site going down?

http://www.uaa.rochester.edu

Haven't been able to get on for a few days now.

When I e-mail them to point out that the records books hadn't been updated, the feedback I got was that they are in the midst of revising the site.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sean-o on February 14, 2007, 02:50:46 PM
That would be nice. I still don't understand how they're building the site such that if you highlight things like the coming schedule, you see all sorts of invisible text.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pce01 on February 14, 2007, 07:41:51 PM
Quote from: pabegg on February 12, 2007, 02:08:28 PM
Based on the information that's out there now, the top three are in the tournament, and NYU and Brandeis are on the bubble.

Note that WU, Chicago, and Rochester finish the season in a round-robin plus each plays Carnegie Mellon. I think the only way any one of them misses the tournament is by being swept, as the strength of schedule will stay up high with these opponents.

NYU and Brandeis are firmly on the bubble (at 15 and 16 by my numbers). If they avoid the upsets with Case and Emory, the winner of the season finale is in, and the loser is where Wash U was a year ago, under consideration but under 50% chance.

Just to clarify on the top three, when I say swept, I mean go 0-3.


A question relative to the UAA QOWIs: 

In calculating Rochester's point total as 219 for 21 regional games vs. the table's 216.

Have the 1/10-Nazareth at RIT, 1/12-St. John Fisher at Roberts Wesleyan, and 1/13 Geneseo at Roberts Wesleyan games (all Chase Tournament)been id'd as neutral, and therefore "away" victories?

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 14, 2007, 09:24:38 PM
The new regional rankings are out (compiled by NCAA):

NYU dropped out of the east rankings

Rochester moved up to 3 in the east rankings

WashU and Chicago are 2 and 3 in the Midwest

Brandeis is 7 in the Northeast

Looks like 3 teams have a chance at making it, but they all still play eachother.  Rochester can really make a statement with home games vs. WashU and Chicago this weekend.  Brandeis is hovering outside of the bubble at this point, as is NYU, in my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 15, 2007, 04:53:39 AM
Quote from: pce01 on February 14, 2007, 07:41:51 PMA question relative to the UAA QOWIs: 

In calculating Rochester's point total as 219 for 21 regional games vs. the table's 216.

Have the 1/10-Nazareth at RIT, 1/12-St. John Fisher at Roberts Wesleyan, and 1/13 Geneseo at Roberts Wesleyan games (all Chase Tournament)been id'd as neutral, and therefore "away" victories?

Roberts Wesleyan isn't a D3 school, and therefore any and every game played against them is irrelevant in the eyes of the NCAA.

The RIT win over Nazareth (on 1/12, not 1/10) is listed as a home game for RIT and an away game for Nazareth on this site.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pce01 on February 15, 2007, 08:01:35 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 15, 2007, 04:53:39 AM
Quote from: pce01 on February 14, 2007, 07:41:51 PMA question relative to the UAA QOWIs: 

In calculating Rochester's point total as 219 for 21 regional games vs. the table's 216.

Have the 1/10-Nazareth at RIT, 1/12-St. John Fisher at Roberts Wesleyan, and 1/13 Geneseo at Roberts Wesleyan games (all Chase Tournament)been id'd as neutral, and therefore "away" victories?

Roberts Wesleyan isn't a D3 school, and therefore any and every game played against them is irrelevant in the eyes of the NCAA.

The RIT win over Nazareth (on 1/12, not 1/10) is listed as a home game for RIT and an away game for Nazareth on this site.

A clarification of my question:

The UR-Nazareth game on 1/10 was played at RIT (neutral court) as part of the Chase Tournament.  The UR-St. John Fisher and UR-Geneseo games on 1/12 & 1/13 were played at Roberts Wesleyan (neutral court) as part of the Chase tournament as well.  The UR-Geneseo game is listed as a home game for UR on this site.  I was curious if all the games were tallied as neutral (therefore away) in the QOWI.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 15, 2007, 08:10:05 AM
Quote from: pce01 on February 15, 2007, 08:01:35 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 15, 2007, 04:53:39 AM
Quote from: pce01 on February 14, 2007, 07:41:51 PMA question relative to the UAA QOWIs: 

In calculating Rochester's point total as 219 for 21 regional games vs. the table's 216.

Have the 1/10-Nazareth at RIT, 1/12-St. John Fisher at Roberts Wesleyan, and 1/13 Geneseo at Roberts Wesleyan games (all Chase Tournament)been id'd as neutral, and therefore "away" victories?

Roberts Wesleyan isn't a D3 school, and therefore any and every game played against them is irrelevant in the eyes of the NCAA.

The RIT win over Nazareth (on 1/12, not 1/10) is listed as a home game for RIT and an away game for Nazareth on this site.

A clarification of my question:

The UR-Nazareth game on 1/10 was played at RIT (neutral court) as part of the Chase Tournament.  The UR-St. John Fisher and UR-Geneseo games on 1/12 & 1/13 were played at Roberts Wesleyan (neutral court) as part of the Chase tournament as well.  The UR-Geneseo game is listed as a home game for UR on this site.  I was curious if all the games were tallied as neutral (therefore away) in the QOWI.

OK, I see.

Any regional game played on a neutral court is considered to be an away game for both teams in the eyes of the selection committee, re: QOWi.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2007, 08:38:41 AM

Wow, Sager, it might be time to take a nap.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pce01 on February 15, 2007, 10:05:37 AM
Thanks. I started looking at the potential impact of the remaining regular season UAA games on regional rankings.  Easy to get lost in the forest for the trees. 


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 16, 2007, 05:01:07 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 15, 2007, 08:38:41 AM

Wow, Sager, it might be time to take a nap.

???
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2007, 05:53:10 AM
UAA Internet coverage

Men's basketball

Weekend of Feb. 16-18, 2007

Friday, Feb. 16, 2007

All tip times 8 PM Eastern (7 PM Central)

1.)  Chicago at Rochester

Rochester audiocast:  http://www.wysl1040.com
Rochester videocast:  http://www.rochester.edu/athletics/webcast

J.C. DeLass with the call

2.)  Brandeis at Emory

Note:  All Emory videocasts and audiocasts are on a pay-per view/listen basis.

Emory videocast:  http://www.hrptv.com  ($10 per game)

Emory audiocast is on the Teamline service-- http://www.teamline.cc

Team Code 1028  ($10 per game on Internet, $25 per game on telephone).

3.)  NYU at Case

Case audiocast:  http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/broadcast

4.)  Wash U at Carnegie Mellon

Carnegie Mellon audiocast:  http://www.wrct.org

Live stats also available-- Link available on CMU Athletics page-- http://www.cmu.edu/athletic

Sunday, Feb. 18, 2007

Tip times Noon Eastern (11 AM Central)

1.)  Wash U at Rochester
2.)  Chicago at Carnegie Mellon
3.)  Brandeis at Case
4.)  NYU at Emory

To follow Sunday's games, please follow Friday's instructions relative to the home site of the game that you are interested in following.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: username1111 on February 16, 2007, 08:04:24 AM
Are the UAA teams all only competing with the teams in their own region for a pool C bid? In other words, is it in Washington U's best interest for Rochester to beat Chicago and in NYU's best interest for the opposite to happen, or does it not matter either way? Thanks, as I know this may be an easy question for grizzled D-III postseason veterans.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 16, 2007, 08:29:03 AM
Quote from: username1111 on February 16, 2007, 08:04:24 AM
Are the UAA teams all only competing with the teams in their own region for a pool C bid? In other words, is it in Washington U's best interest for Rochester to beat Chicago and in NYU's best interest for the opposite to happen, or does it not matter either way? Thanks, as I know this may be an easy question for grizzled D-III postseason veterans.

I dont think it is very simple, but I think it is more important that those teams keep winning themselves.  The way I understand post season selection, and someone can correct me if I am wrong, is that there is not a set number from each region.  However, the rankings in-region are important because once all the automatic bids are taken out of the equation, the selection committee compares the top-ranked team remaining in each region against eachother and selects the most deserving out of that group.  That team is then taken out of the rankings, the teams are reranked and the process is repeated until all spots are filled. So for example, if Rochester were ranked above NYU at the end of the year (and neither won the UAA), Rochester would have to be accepted into the tournament before NYU is even considered.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on February 16, 2007, 08:43:24 AM
Quote from: username1111 on February 16, 2007, 08:04:24 AM
Are the UAA teams all only competing with the teams in their own region for a pool C bid? In other words, is it in Washington U's best interest for Rochester to beat Chicago and in NYU's best interest for the opposite to happen, or does it not matter either way? Thanks, as I know this may be an easy question for grizzled D-III postseason veterans.

The Pool C bids go in a two-step process. First, the teams get ranked within the region. Then a national process is started with the eight regional leaders. One of these teams will be picked for the first Pool C bid. Then the second team from their region replaces them in the national consideration, and this repeats until all 19 Pool C teams are chosen.

So by finishing better in your own region, you get to the national table earlier, but generally if you're in the top 19 competitors nationally, you'll get in anyway. There were a couple of exceptions to this last year (WashU graded out better than Lakeland in the Midwest region, but missed the cut nationally, while Lakeland would probably have gotten in if they could have gotten to the national table).

So generally, any Pool C competitor is hoping that all of their fellow competitors lose (to either Pool A teams or teams not in the running). When it comes to a game like Rochester-Chicago, between two likely Pool C teams, it's not clear who to root for.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2007, 03:55:29 PM
Just to be clear... there used to be a time where the Pool C bids were selected by a certain number per region. However, that has been done away with for a more "national" pool... though it is still - as pabegg points out - influenced by the regional rankings.

However, that isn't to say four or five teams could get Pool C bids in the Midwest before any team is taken in the Mid-Atlantic!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2007, 03:58:41 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 16, 2007, 03:55:29 PM
However, that isn't to say four or five teams could get Pool C bids in the Midwest before any team is taken in the Mid-Atlantic!

Sadly it's more likely to go the other way around, as the Midwest teams beat up on each other and push their regional records down.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2007, 04:00:29 PM
Yes... this is a fair point... but they also tend to have better QOWI's then the Mid-Atlantic.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2007, 04:01:56 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 16, 2007, 04:00:29 PM
Yes... this is a fair point... but they also tend to have better QOWI's then the Mid-Atlantic.

Right-o, but then that presupposes the NCAA is thinking logically.


In either event, it all works out well for the UAA that can have three or four teams "on the table" at the same time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 16, 2007, 08:12:17 PM
The CMU radio guys are hysterical. Good work fellas.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 16, 2007, 08:49:59 PM
Halftime:  Chicago 46, Rochester 40.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 16, 2007, 09:55:17 PM
Chicago pulls out the win, 76-73. Wash.U. ahead by close to 20 with a little less than three minutes to go. That means that regardless of Sunday's results, the WashU, Chicago game next Saturday will be for the league championship. Even if Chicago were to lose Sunday (which they almost definitely won't), they could still take the title with a win over WashU. However, my question for this board's more UAA-knowledgeable members is as follows (and follow carefully): Say WashU and Chicago were to split the season series and both finish 11-3 in the league. How would the UAA determine the league champion? Whatever happens, that Chicago WashU game is going to be tremendous. WashU has alumni weekend the same day and is doing a campus-wide promotion with the goal of selling out the 2950 seat field house. It's also senior day and Chicago isn't that far, so I'm they'll bring some people as well. Looking forward to it. Final WashU score: 94-73.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on February 16, 2007, 10:31:21 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 16, 2007, 09:55:17 PM
Chicago pulls out the win, 76-73. Wash.U. ahead by close to 20 with a little less than three minutes to go. That means that regardless of Sunday's results, the WashU, Chicago game next Saturday will be for the league championship. Even if Chicago were to lose Sunday (which they almost definitely won't), they could still take the title with a win over WashU. However, my question for this board's more UAA-knowledgeable members is as follows (and follow carefully): Say WashU and Chicago were to split the season series and both finish 11-3 in the league. How would the UAA determine the league champion? Whatever happens, that Chicago WashU game is going to be tremendous. WashU has alumni weekend the same day and is doing a campus-wide promotion with the goal of selling out the 2950 seat field house. It's also senior day and Chicago isn't that far, so I'm they'll bring some people as well. Looking forward to it. Final WashU score: 94-73.

First UAA tie-breaker is head-to-head, so this would not apply.
Second tie-breaker is results against teams in descending order of finish. Since both schools lost to NYU, this comes down to the comparison of Brandeis (WU's 3rd loss) and Carnegie Mellon (Chicago's putative 3rd loss). Since Brandeis is 2 games up on Carnegie Mellon with 2 to play, this would favor Chicago.
If Brandeis and Carnegie Mellon finish tied, the next tiebreaker is road record (which would be the same), so it would go to a coin flip in this case.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2007, 10:40:33 PM
Recapping the other 2 UAA men's final scores from Friday:

Brandeis 76 @ Emory 67
NYU 65 @ Case 47

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: username1111 on February 16, 2007, 11:10:23 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 16, 2007, 03:55:29 PM
Just to be clear... there used to be a time where the Pool C bids were selected by a certain number per region. However, that has been done away with for a more "national" pool... though it is still - as pabegg points out - influenced by the regional rankings.

However, that isn't to say four or five teams could get Pool C bids in the Midwest before any team is taken in the Mid-Atlantic!

Thanks to everyone for the answers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on February 17, 2007, 11:40:10 AM
Nice piece in Friday's Chicago Maroon about overlooked senior starters Drew Adams (coach's son  :-*) and Jason Vismantas (undersized forward  :P).

http://maroon.uchicago.edu/online_edition/sports/2007/02/16/coachs-son-undersized-forward-lead-mens-hoops-revival/

I agree 100 percent with the premise of the article: without Adams and Vismantas stepping up big in their fourth years, the Maroons are nowhere near UAA title contention right now.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on February 18, 2007, 12:03:50 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 16, 2007, 09:55:17 PM
game is going to be tremendous. WashU has alumni weekend the same day and is doing a campus-wide promotion with the goal of selling out the 2950 seat field house.

It wouldn't be a sellout in the conventional sense since they sell no tickets.  Anybody can walk in.  It's only for post-season NCAA events that tickets are sold.

They do have a big banner on the athletics page calling upon people to pack the house.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 18, 2007, 01:02:19 PM
Brandeis 32, Case 26 at the half

Brandeis was up 14 with just a few minutes to go in the half but case went on a run, that included a disputed buzzer beater shot, that Coach Meehan argued and was given a technical foul for. Steve Young from case made 1 of the 2 free throws to bring Case within 6 at the half.

Steve Deluca of Brandeis led all scorers at the Half with 10,

At this point 14 minutes left in the second, score is 40-30 Brandeis, Deluca now with 17, Steve Hill with 6, Joe Coppins held only to 6 after 28 against Emory on Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 18, 2007, 01:42:19 PM
Final Score from Cleveland Brandeis 56, Case 51

Brandeis nearly handed Case their first conference win in the season up by only 6 with less than 2 minutes left to go, the spartans made some standard intentional fouls to put Brandeis a team which shoots 70% + at the line for the 1 and 1. Brandeis proceeded to miss the front end of all three of their 1 and 1 attempts, giving Case what could have been the chance to even the game, however, Case couldnt convert on their end of the floor either. Once the double bonus hit, it did not go much better for the judges, still only hitting one of the freethrows each time down. In all Brandeis only made 5 free throws out of well over 10 although i do not have the number in front of me.

Scoring for the Judges went like so:
Deluca - 22 he shot 4/9 from 3pt range and 8/15 from the floor
Coppins - 9
Hill - 8

I must also mention that the players missing the front end of the 1 and 1's all shoot 80% or better from the line.

I unusually low scoring game for the Judges, I would attribute this to missed free throws and other should be made buckets, rather than stiff D from the Spartans.

That is now 5 in a row for Brandeis after starting out the conference season 3-5 they are now 8-5 going for the 9th win at the Coles center at NYU next weekend. Either way this is the best UAA season for Brandeis, in quite some time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 18, 2007, 01:50:50 PM
Props to DeLuca for any number of big shots when it counted.  Give the team a little slack for a letdown.  Real deal is next Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 18, 2007, 01:52:38 PM
NYU wins by 3 at Emory, perhaps both they and Brandeis looking a bit ahead.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sean-o on February 18, 2007, 04:32:00 PM
Congrats, Maroons, on earning at least a share of the UAA title! (Even if they lose at Wash U, giving the Bears the automatic berth thanks to the head-to-head results, they will still be considered UAA co-champs).

We're going to have ourselves a championship game next week!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 18, 2007, 08:24:04 PM
Quote from: sean-o on February 18, 2007, 04:32:00 PM
Congrats, Maroons, on earning at least a share of the UAA title! (Even if they lose at Wash U, giving the Bears the automatic berth thanks to the head-to-head results, they will still be considered UAA co-champs).

We're going to have ourselves a championship game next week!

I think this is the second time in league history that two the teams competing for the conference crown will play head-to-head on the final day of conference action to decide the champion.  The other was Rochester-CMU 2 years ago (which Rochester won at home 62-57).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 20, 2007, 10:19:31 AM
Hey, I was just wondering what everyone's predictions were for the UAA getting in the tournament, I know it has been discussed before, but I am just curious now that there is only one game to be played for each team. Before people were saying the conference deserved five teams, but would most likely only get in 3. Is this still the case, especially with the teams moving up in the regional rankings. Did the rochester win vs. Rochester hurt or help the conference in total numbers. How much will the loss to CMU early in the season hurt both NYU and Brandeis. Are Wash, Chicago, and Rochester locks after this past weekend with Brandeis and NYU playing for their spot at the Coles center this weekend?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 20, 2007, 01:16:54 PM
Here is my opinion on how many UAA men's teams get in.

As it stands, I believe that there are 2 definite Pool C locks in Wash U and Chicago (one of these two teams will be the Pool A bid with the other being the first of the UAA teams to get a Pool C), with Rochester getting the UAA a 2nd Pool C bid if they beat Carnegie Mellon on Saturday.  That will make 3 teams from the UAA in the men's tournament, with the NYU/Brandeis winner on Saturday probably in line for the UAA getting a 3rd Pool C bid-- if there aren't too many major upsets in the conference tournaments.

The UAA certainly deserves 5 men's basketball teams in the NCAA tournament, as after Saturday's games, Wash U, Chicago, Brandeis, NYU, and Rochester will all finish their seasons with regional percentages above .700-- no matter who wins between NYU and Brandeis on Saturday.   If NYU defeats Brandeis, Brandeis will have a .720 in-region percentage (18-7), with a QoWI slightly below 10, but probably above last year's cut-off for men's Pool C bids of 9.692.  (Last year, both the UW-LaCrosse men and the NYU women got Pool C bids with a .720 regional percentage, with the NYU women's QoWI slightly above 10.)   Regardless, a .720 regional percentage and a QoWI slightly below 10 for Brandeis would certainly make me sweat out Selection Sunday at the very least, as Brandeis would most likely be the team left out if only 3 UAA men's teams are picked by the NCAA national committee for Pool C bids in this situation-- the winner of the NYU/Brandeis game would be more secure of getting a Pool C in this situation, with Brandeis probably being on the national table when it comes time for the 18th and 19th Pool C selections to be made-- thereby creating a good risk for Brandeis's bubble to pop.  (That is, if there aren't too many major upsets in conference tournament play this week.)

Look for the NYU men to climb back into the East Region rankings this week, as Utica picked up a couple of losses since last Wednesday's regional rankings, so both Brandeis and NYU will be regionally ranked by the NCAA going into Saturday's matchup. 

In short, I would treat the Brandeis/NYU matchup on Saturday as though it were an NCAA tournament elimination game-- with the winner practically assured of a 3rd Pool C bid, and the loser probably preparing for ECACs.  I don't have enough information right now that could prove me otherwise.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 20, 2007, 04:24:01 PM
I wrote my comments on this topic on sunday on the Pool C board, here they are:

It is really difficult to compare NYU, Brandeis, and Rochester head to head (considering WashU and Chicago are locks to get in).  All three teams really havent had more than one bad loss (NYU and Brandeis both lost on the road to CMU).  Rochester's only losses have been to 23-2 Lake Erie, 20-5 St. John Fisher, and then all the rest have been to the other top 4 teams in the conference (Chicago twice, NYU, Brandeis, and WashU).  NYU has one bad loss (CMU), and the rest have been Brandeis, Chicago, Rochester, and WashU (which really shouldnt be considered a loss because the were outscored by 30 points at the FT line and only lost by 1 in OT).  Brandeis, similar to NYU, has the bad loss to CMU and then only losses to Chicago (twice), WashU, Rochester, and Amherst.  I think that Rochester will get in with a win at home against CMU and then the winner of the Brandeis-NYU game will most likely get the nod as well.  However, I think NYU needs the win much more than Brandeis because of their extremely weak out of conference schedule.  Brandeis has a chance either way with wins versus Rochester and WashU in the last few weeks, coupled with previous wins versus NYU and some good northeast region wins (Babson, Tufts, Elms, and a decent showing versus Amherst).

In summary, I was and still am much in agreement with Allen.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 21, 2007, 03:24:16 PM
Back to the discussion of NYU vs. Brandeis.  If you look at the new QOWI numbers, Brandeis is at 10.125 through 24 conference games (18-6) and NYU is 9.87 through 23 games (18-5).  Just to be able to calculate scenarious, let us assume that none of the previous teams will change win classes (that is pass the 0.333333 or 0.666666 thresholds for in conference win percentage). 

If NYU wins the game, Brandeis' new QOWI will be (10.125*24+7)/25 = 10.000 and NYU's QOWI will be (9.87*23+14)/24 = 10.04.  Meaning that if NYU wins, both teams will have almost the exact same QOWI and they will both be at or above 10.0 going into the playoffs.  Brandeis will have an 18-7 regional record (0.720) and NYU will have a 19-5 regional record (0.792).  If this scenario results, I think both teams have a very good argument for the tourney and they would have split the head to head match up for the year.

On the other hand, if Brandeis wins: Brandeis will have a QOWI of 10.32 and NYU will have a QOWI of 9.71.  In this case I dont think NYU has that great of a chance.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on February 21, 2007, 06:49:08 PM
We need some chatter about the championship game on Saturday.  Having attended Washington's 70-59 victory at Chicago back on January 6...and no, it wasn't that close..I think Wash U has to be considered the favorite in this one. 

The first thing that jumps out at me as I think of a key to this game is that the Maroons have to do a better job of containing Troy Ruths.

Ruths had 28 points on 11-12 shooting in that matchup; simply put, Chicago could not stop the Texan.  Nearly every Ruths touch led to an automatic deuce.  Since then, the Maroons have done a much better job defensively against the other post stalwarts in the conference, e.g. Boone/Falcon of NYU and the Rochester twin towers of Onyiriuka and Ndubizu.  Whatever the Maroons have learned about post defense over the course of the conference season, they will need to apply Saturday at the Wash U Field House.

Jesse Meyer will shoot better than he did in the first meeting vs. the Bears:

Jesse Meyer, 3-Point Field Goals
Jan. 6 vs. Wash U: 1-10 (10.0%)
12 Games Since: 37-68 (54.4%)

UC will need Jesse to shoot the ball like he has been shooting it.  They also will need strong all-around efforts from Brandon Woodhead and Nate Hainje and to limit the easy buckets for Troy Ruths.

If all of these things happen, the Maroons can spring the upset in St. Louis and win the UAA title outright.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Bba11man on February 21, 2007, 10:44:35 PM
I think the game Saturday will be a good game and more evenly matched than the first game.  Chicago is a much different team than what they showed in the first meeting.  First off, that was one of their worst shooting performances of the year not to mention one of their lowest total scores.  I think WashU has been consistent the entire season and has played very well at home. I don't believe there is a favorite. I think it could go either way, but in any case, it should be a really fun game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 22, 2007, 02:07:30 AM
The Bears are yet to lose at home this season (13-0). For that reason alone, I can't bet against them. UC does has the experience factor, but with the expected packed house in WashU's favor, I can't see the Maroons pulling it out. It wouldn't shock me if they did, but they have no answer for Ruths. WashU 78, UC 74.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 22, 2007, 06:40:05 AM
Quote from: Bba11man on February 21, 2007, 10:44:35 PM
I think the game Saturday will be a good game and more evenly matched than the first game.  Chicago is a much different team than what they showed in the first meeting.  First off, that was one of their worst shooting performances of the year not to mention one of their lowest total scores.  I think WashU has been consistent the entire season and has played very well at home. I don't believe there is a favorite. I think it could go either way, but in any case, it should be a really fun game.

Oh, I think that there's a clear favorite in this game: Wash U. Like Hoops Dreams I was at the earlier contest down in Hyde Park, and like Hoops Dreams I can attest that the game was not as close as the final score indicated. As for Chicago's shooting woes in that game being an excuse, it's not likely that they're going to be in a better frame of mind shooting in their archrival's gym than they were in the Ratner Center. Plus, the excuses cut both ways -- Wash U's Tyler Nading (14.8 ppg, 6.1 rpg) had his worst game of the season in that first matchup against the Maroons (4 pts, 5 rebs), and the Bears still won handily.

Stopping Ruths will be easier said than done. It will have to be done by committee, as Chicago has no one who can stop Ruths in the low post by himself, and Mike McGrath will probably have to employ a lot of double-teaming as well. And that could mean a breakout game for Nading or Wallis. The key, I think, for the Maroons is to do a better job of denying the entry pass than they did the first time around; Ruths got the ball in good spots in the first game between the two teams, and if the Maroons can force a few turnovers on entries or force Ruths to go fetch the ball in a place where he's less likely to zoom straight to the cup, he probably won't put up those gaudy 11-12 shooting numbers again.

Of course, I'm rooting for the Maroons ... but make no mistake, they're clearly the 'dogs in this one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 22, 2007, 09:19:10 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 22, 2007, 02:07:30 AM
The Bears are yet to lose at home this season (13-0). For that reason alone, I can't bet against them. UC does has the experience factor, but with the expected packed house in WashU's favor, I can't see the Maroons pulling it out. It wouldn't shock me if they did, but they have no answer for Ruths. WashU 78, UC 74.

Tough to lose when you have that sixth man on your team, dressed in stripes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on February 22, 2007, 10:06:57 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 22, 2007, 09:19:10 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 22, 2007, 02:07:30 AM
The Bears are yet to lose at home this season (13-0). For that reason alone, I can't bet against them. UC does has the experience factor, but with the expected packed house in WashU's favor, I can't see the Maroons pulling it out. It wouldn't shock me if they did, but they have no answer for Ruths. WashU 78, UC 74.

Tough to lose when you have that sixth man on your team, dressed in stripes.

The game hasn't even been played and the griping has already begun.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on February 22, 2007, 11:37:14 AM
I think hugenerd was talking about the NYU game, and how it relates to Wash U's perfect home record.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on February 22, 2007, 06:57:50 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 22, 2007, 09:19:10 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 22, 2007, 02:07:30 AM
The Bears are yet to lose at home this season (13-0). For that reason alone, I can't bet against them. UC does has the experience factor, but with the expected packed house in WashU's favor, I can't see the Maroons pulling it out. It wouldn't shock me if they did, but they have no answer for Ruths. WashU 78, UC 74.

Tough to lose when you have that sixth man on your team, dressed in stripes.
you are correct sir
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 22, 2007, 07:06:38 PM
So the Pool C bids are reduced by one, this is not good news, what is good news is that the DEIS! DEIS! DEIS! I'M _______ shirts have arrived and will be available at the NYU game for anyone who would like to purchase them for $15 the proceeds go to the Doug Flutie Jr Foundation for Autism. I know some people on here wanted to purchase one so just letting you know that if you are at the coles center and want a piece of UAA memorabilia it will be available to you.

On a side note, Brandeis and NYU's chances of making the tournament are that much tougher. I vaguely remember a numbers game earlier this year that had Brandeis as the 18th Pool C team at that time, so I can say I am a little nervous for our guys now, and the mood around the offices did not appear enthusiastic about this math error. Just wondering how everyone here thinks this will affect the teams in the conference if at all.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 22, 2007, 08:11:26 PM
UAA Internet coverage

Men's basketball

Saturday, Feb. 24, 2007

1.)  Case at Emory

Tip time:  Noon Eastern (11 AM Central)

Emory videocasts and audiocasts are on a pay-per view/listen basis.

Emory videocast:  http://www.hrptv.com  ($10 for the videocast)

Emory audiocast is on the Teamline service-- http://www.teamline.cc

Team Code: 1028  ($10 for internet; $25 to listen via. any telephone line.)

Note:  All other UAA men's games tip at 3 PM Central/ 4 PM Eastern.

2.)  Chicago at Wash U

(Winner of this game wins the UAA's Pool A automatic bid-- Wash U clinches a UAA co-championship with Chicago with a victory.)

Wash U audiocast:  http://www.kwur.com

Chicago audiocast:  http://maroon.uchicago.edu/sportsreport/?page_id=4

3.)  Brandeis at NYU

(Match between 2 bubble teams for the NCAA DIII tournament.)

NYU audiocast:  http://www.wnyu.org
Brandeis audiocast: http://www.wbrs.org

(Note:  I anticipate that WBRS will be making the trip to New York, given the nature of the game.)

4.)  Carnegie Mellon at Rochester

Rochester videocast:  http://www.rochester.edu/athletics/webcast

Rochester audiocast:  http://www.wysl1040.com

(J.C. DeLass on play-by-play for Rochester with Eddie Baron doing the color commentary.)

Carnegie Mellon audiocast:  http://www.wrct.org

 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 22, 2007, 09:16:08 PM
WBRS will be at the game from what people have told me. It is also my understanding that some Alumni who have called games in the past will take the mic for this game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: TheKatzInTheHat on February 23, 2007, 12:36:01 PM
It'll be interesting to see what Brandeis does to combat the big bodies of NYU. Last time they played, Hollins had a huge presence but without him Brandeis loses another big body down low. A win for Brandeis in this game would give them tremendous momentum going into the postseason with a series of big wins in a row...

Quote from: ILive4This on February 22, 2007, 09:16:08 PM
WBRS will be at the game from what people have told me. It is also my understanding that some Alumni who have called games in the past will take the mic for this game.

WBRS will be there and the Alumni will definitely be on the mic throughout the game. Even moreso than actual Alumni day at Brandeis, this NYU game brings out the Alumni to come root on the Judges. It'll be interesting to see if the Brandeis fan presence that has been so large this season at the home games makes the trek to NYU to see this game...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on February 23, 2007, 06:48:04 PM
Quote from: Hoop Dreams on February 22, 2007, 11:37:14 AM
I think hugenerd was talking about the NYU game, and how it relates to Wash U's perfect home record.

This once again assumes a vast conspiracy among all the St. Louis referees of those home games and I can't think of a bigger insult to the Bears or its fans.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 23, 2007, 08:33:56 PM
Quote from: mark_reichert on February 23, 2007, 06:48:04 PM
Quote from: Hoop Dreams on February 22, 2007, 11:37:14 AM
I think hugenerd was talking about the NYU game, and how it relates to Wash U's perfect home record.

This once again assumes a vast conspiracy among all the St. Louis referees of those home games and I can't think of a bigger insult to the Bears or its fans.

First of all, mark, you seem like a very excitable person.  Second of all, I do not understand why you keep bringing up this "conspiracy."  Perhaps I feel that refs at one game (v. NYU) were biased.  And if you would like to prove that the refs were not biased, maybe you could explain to me how: WashU shot 33 more free throws than NYU, NYU committed 20 more fouls than WashU, NYU was able to average close to a foul per minute throughout the entire game, and why NYU committed 18.5 more fouls in that game than their season average.  As a matter of fact, NYU has not committed more than 22 fouls in any game this season, besides the game against WashU where they committed 36.  I am not a statistics major, but here is a statistical analysis for you:

# of games NYU has played: 24 (assuming that this a large enough sample to encompass the population mean and standard deviation)
fouls committed per game: 17.54
standard deviation of fouls committed per game: 4.65
Fouls versus WashU: 36

Z score for fouls in WashU game = (36-17.54)/ 4.65 = 3.97

What that Z score means (once you look it up in a Z score table) is that, the chance of NYU committing 36 fouls or more in any game would be 0.0036% and the percentage of games they would commit less than 36 fouls is 99.9964%.  So that means that the 36 fouls against WashU is what one would call an EXTREME outlier, meaning that the 36 fouls most likely did not happen by chance. 

Let me also point out that if you take out the first WashU game, NYU only averages 16.7 fouls a game and the standard deviation is only 2.54 fouls (which is a rather tight distribution considering that there are so many possible variables involved in a statistic such as fouls- such as playing style, refs, game situation, etc.).  If you compute a Z-score for 36 fouls in a game considering this new mean and standard deviation, you get a value of 7.56.  The z-score table I have does not go up to z-scores that large, meaning that the odds of NYU fouling 36 times in a game is less than 0.00001% if you throw out the first WashU game.  In addition, only 5 days after the first meeting, NYU committed exactly half as many fouls (18) against the same WashU team.

What I am trying to convey by these calculations is not that my assumptions are correct or that these calculations are even needed.  You could see this just by looking at the numbers.  The refs in that game, for whatever reason, did not call the game fairly or evenly.  That is my opinion by analyzing the numbers for that game and comparing them to what NYU has done all season long. 

I stick by my opinion and if that offends you, so be it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 23, 2007, 08:52:38 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on February 22, 2007, 09:16:08 PM
WBRS will be at the game from what people have told me. It is also my understanding that some Alumni who have called games in the past will take the mic for this game.

Darn!  I knew I should have gone, and I actually did a NYU game one year, long, long ago ....or was it CCNY?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 23, 2007, 08:54:22 PM
hugenerd,

As a retired statistics instructor, I salute your analysis!

Of course, technically, it is all a waste of time, since it assumes that number of fouls called is a random variable (as opposed to somehow tied to real world behavior).  But as a bball fan, I suspect you're right that the discrepancy reflects referee bias (and/or incompetence) rather than a sudden 'thuggishness' by your team! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 23, 2007, 09:13:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 23, 2007, 08:54:22 PM
hugenerd,

As a retired statistics instructor, I salute your analysis!

Of course, technically, it is all a waste of time, since it assumes that number of fouls called is a random variable (as opposed to somehow tied to real world behavior).  But as a bball fan, I suspect you're right that the discrepancy reflects referee bias (and/or incompetence) rather than a sudden 'thuggishness' by your team! ;)

Thanks for your approval.  Also, just to clarify, NYU isnt my team.  I am a CMU alum.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 23, 2007, 09:15:45 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 23, 2007, 09:13:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 23, 2007, 08:54:22 PM
hugenerd,

As a retired statistics instructor, I salute your analysis!

Of course, technically, it is all a waste of time, since it assumes that number of fouls called is a random variable (as opposed to somehow tied to real world behavior).  But as a bball fan, I suspect you're right that the discrepancy reflects referee bias (and/or incompetence) rather than a sudden 'thuggishness' by your team! ;)

Thanks for your approval.  Also, just to clarify, NYU isnt my team.  I am a CMU alum.

Sorry about that. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 23, 2007, 09:19:24 PM
No need to apologize, there is no way you would have known from my post. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2007, 01:58:52 AM
And he has a powerful calculator. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 24, 2007, 10:09:36 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2007, 01:58:52 AM
And he has a powerful calculator. :)

It comes in handy when I have to do statistical analyses.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 24, 2007, 04:52:39 PM
Halftime from Rochester, UR 38- CMU 33.  CMU led for much of the first half and by as much as 10, but couldnt hold on at the end of the half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 24, 2007, 04:57:46 PM
Does anyone else listening to the WashU radio station feel like they are listening to a an old micromachines commercial?  This guy has to be talking over 500 words per minute.

By the way, game tied at 20 with under 9 to go (1st half).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 24, 2007, 06:55:33 PM
Congratulations to the Brandeis Judges on an enormous, come from behind win today!  Down 8 at the half at NYU, they storm back in the second half.

Have fun at the Dance, men! 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on February 24, 2007, 07:00:44 PM
Today's women's-men's doubleheader at the Wash U Field House saw both home teams win by five points to claim conference titles and automatic Pool A bids. 

The men's Bears team downed the Maroons, 79-74.  In the official UAA record books, Chicago and Wash U will share the 2007 conference title at 11-3.

Tyler Nading played a terrific game for Wash U, compiling 24 points, 6 rebounds and 3 steals.  Sean Wallis handed out 16 assists -- one shy of Rusty Loyd's single-game UAA record -- and turned the ball over only twice.

For Chicago, Jesse Meyer went 0-7 from behind the arc, making him 1-17 in the two losses against Wash U this year (54.4% vs. other UAA opponents).  The Maroons' starting backcourt of Meyer, Woodhead and Adams was just 2-14 from distance.  Hopefully Chicago shoots better in the tournament next week.

I would think the Bears would be in line to host 1st/2nd round NCAA action, but we'll find out on Monday I guess.



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 24, 2007, 07:12:25 PM
Rochester won pretty easily today, so they should be in good shape for a pool C.

NYU, on the other hand, is most likely out with their poor out of conference schedule and relatively low QOWI.  Brandeis really buttresses their tourney hopes with the win.  The win at NYU will be a 15 point QOWI win and bump their overall QOWi to somewhere around 10.32, which should be in the top 20 in the country.

The UAA really has a chance at 4 teams in the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on February 24, 2007, 07:24:18 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 24, 2007, 04:57:46 PM
Does anyone else listening to the WashU radio station feel like they are listening to a an old micromachines commercial?  This guy has to be talking over 500 words per minute.

He also broadcasted the women's game, which went into OT.  That's 85 minutes of rapid-fire play-by-play!  The micromachines guy did what, 30 seconds?   :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 24, 2007, 07:27:03 PM
Quote from: Hoop Dreams on February 24, 2007, 07:24:18 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 24, 2007, 04:57:46 PM
Does anyone else listening to the WashU radio station feel like they are listening to a an old micromachines commercial?  This guy has to be talking over 500 words per minute.

He also broadcasted the women's game, which went into OT.  That's 85 minutes of rapid-fire play-by-play!  The micromachines guy did what, 30 seconds?   :D

I would rather buy toy cars from him than listen to him broadcasting a basketball game for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2007, 07:35:54 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 24, 2007, 07:12:25 PMThe UAA really has a chance at 4 teams in the tourney.

More than a chance. The more I look at the numbers, the more that four dancing UAA teams looks like a done deal to me.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2007, 07:38:14 PM
It should also be mentioned that Case got off the UAA schneid with a one-point OT win over Emory down in Atlanta today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 24, 2007, 09:18:04 PM
Not to toot my horn but my prediction of 78-74 might be worthy of some karma points. WashU wins 79-74 and if  it weren't for a foul shot with .2 seconds left, I would have been dead on.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on February 24, 2007, 10:02:19 PM
Good game this afternoon in St. Louis.  Chicago came out of the gates on fire from the perimeter.  Wash U withstood that quick Maroons start and got it even, then took control of the game late in the 1st half.  The Bears maintained control of the game the entire 2nd half and held off 3-4 Chicago runs.

Chicago and Wash U are both good, solid teams.  As I have said since seeing both teams play early on this year, I think Wash U is the better team because of their balance.  Wash U has a really good point-guard in Sean Wallis, a very talented wing in Tyler Nading, and one of D3's best big guys in Troy Ruths...plus plenty of nice role players like Nick Nikitas and Aaron Thompson.  Chicago's best players (Woodhead, Meyer, Hainje) are primarily perimeter guys -- they just do not have that one guy you can give it to down low.   

Chicago does a great job with the personnel they have.  Again, almost everyone on the floor for Chicago at all times is a perimeter player, but the Maroons get a lot of points around the basket.  They dribble penetrate really well and they also post up just about everybody.   Those two things set up all of the great 3-point looks they get. 

How 'bout the stat line for Sean Wallis today?  0-7 FG (0-5 3-pt) w/ 16 assists!  That is a new Wash U school record.  Just shows you the value of a great point-guard -- Wallis scored 3 pts, yet he had an outstanding game today in so many ways.  Nading and Ruths were also a ton.

It's scary how good Wash U will be next year.  Maybe the D3hoops.com preseason #1.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 24, 2007, 11:40:22 PM
The Brandeis/NYU game today really was much more of a foul shooting contest. Also something random to point out, both teams seemed to have difficulty shooting on what i would describe as the banner side of the court. Anyway, at first it seemed like Brandeis was getting make up calls in their favor after a lopsided first half but with over 9 minutes remaining in the game, both teams were in the double bonus. Andre Roberson led Brandeis with 17 points a majority of which were from the charity stripe. Just some interesting observations.

Also it would appear that with the outcome of today's games, Wash U wins the Auto bid and the Conference title over chicago by the tie breaker of head to head, since both teams finished with the same record. Rochester and Brandeis tie for third, having split the season matchups home and home, with a 9-5 record. It looks as though all four of these teams will get in, while NYU's loss should push their numbers even lower, most likely out of the top 18 pool c teams. Congrats to case on a well deserved win, many close games this season, just did not go their way.

Ok my rant is over, to sum up, we should see the UAA get 4 bids, not just deserve 4 but actually receive four.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Bob on February 25, 2007, 12:47:10 PM
Here's some food for discussion.

I have created UAA first and second teams based solely on the final individual statistics.  First, I used only UAA stats as these reflect performance against common opponents and, quite frankly, some of the teams had fairly weak pre-UAA opponents.  Second I biased things towards scoring as this is typically what is valued in this kind of voting.  What I did was to take the top 15 scorers and order them top to bottom.  Then for each scorer, I gave them points for their ranking in assists and rebounding from 1-15.  If someone was not in the top 15, I arbitrarily assigned them a score of 16.  I then took the average ranks for the 3 categories and ordered everyone from lowest to highest rank.  So here goes:


First Team                                      Second Team

Federigos EU                                   Nading WU
Boone NYU                                       DeLuca Br
Ruths WU                                         DeCorso NYU
Hainje UC                                         Young Case
Wallis WU                                         Sosa EU
Woodhead UC                                  Conrad Case
Onyiriuka UR                                     Einwag CMU
                                                         Meyer UC


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 25, 2007, 12:58:29 PM
personally i think i am going to have to fight for my guys or atleast guy here, brandeis spread the ball nicely this year so having more than one from waltham on this list is not a huge suprise, however Deluca on 2nd team is a big error. The NYU program yesterday even listed him as a possible player of the year candidate. This from the school who holds the defending co-player of the year.

I know you only looked at in conference games, but i must point out that he put up 30 against Amherst College, yes they Amherst College ranked as high as 1st in the nation, ranked 2nd at the time of the game. He Avg, right under 15 pts/game and 6 boards. On a second thought I think the Judges would have had a second candidate for 2nd team but especially for rookie of the year in Terell Hollins, had it not been for the season ending foot injury.

Just my thoughts. As a side note a look at PC's predictions the UAA has 4 teams going to the big dance. My Question to everyone is who will dance for the longest time?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Bba11man on February 25, 2007, 02:41:59 PM
i think bob's post is a good barometer but i think a certain bit of subjectivity needs to considered when determining all conference teams.  although statistics are the main component, team success is another important factor along with the impact an individual player has that does not show up on the stat line.  if you look at deluca, he's capable of putting up the individual numbers (see last year) but this year they were more balanced, and while he didn't average as many points, he's still the leading score, plus they had a much better team record and could/should be a tourney team. that teams distributes the ball very well and spreads the "wealth." i think the chicago is another example of this where the points are spread all around and the team enjoyed a lot of success and i think they have a few players potentially worthy of all-conference consideration. on my second point about player impact beyond stastistics, look at co-player of the year last year, jason boone. he didn't average the most points in the conference his presence in the lane is huge for that team. he impacts how players shoot when they come in the lane and forces teams to adjust just to stop him. it opens up all his teammates.  now that is not to discredit gaudy individual statistics of say spiros federigos who is up there in points, assists, steals, etc. i just think there are some things that statistics don't necessarily account for. that is not to slight bob's post because don't think that's what he was saying, i think he was just providing a statistical level to compare players.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 25, 2007, 04:00:32 PM
There is no way Case will get two players on the 2nd team, and I feel the same way about Emory.  Federigos may make first but Sosa will probably be honorable mention.  I think Deluca will take either Hainje or Woodheads spot on the first team.  I think Falcon (NYU) may get onto the second team, as well as Nduzibe or Juron for Rochester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on February 25, 2007, 04:59:31 PM
Bob,

I think your formula spit out something that will pretty closely mirror the All-UAA selections.  Based on the statistics and the games I've seen this year, the five UAA players I'd start a team with would be

PG  Sean Wallis, Wash U
SG  Brandon Woodhead, Chicago
SF  Nate Hainje, Chicago
PF  Jason Boone, NYU
C   Troy Ruths, Wash U

My vote for Player of the Year would go to Troy Ruths.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on February 25, 2007, 10:17:50 PM
the selections are probably postponed because the commitee is trying to figure out who to bump in favor of NYU... crossmyfingersihopesoknockonwood
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 25, 2007, 10:25:06 PM
NYU didnt get in, Brandeis, Chicago, and Rochester all in.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on February 25, 2007, 10:26:54 PM
Suprising that they took Stevens over NYU.  They have almost the exact same QOWI and regional record, but NYU beat Stevens earlier in the season.  Any one win this season and NYU probably would have gotten in (yesterday vs. Brandeis, OT loss to WashU, etc.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 25, 2007, 11:07:49 PM
Wow four teams, this is great, I am so happy for the Brandeis Men (and Women) first time in 30 years the mens team is going dancing. NYU may have gotten a little unlucky but this should teach the AD to schedule some tougher out of conference games, their QOWI was just not good. The team is very strong, and should win the Metro ECAC with ease.

Im excited to see how the brackets line up but I think the Judges might be able to work through their region well. With many teams gaining high QOWI, because of beating up on one another. Trinity and Williams both showed that Amherst can be beat, but Williams clearly was not a Tourny team before the upset, and Coast guard was one loss away from a sub .500 record, so definatly some pool A teams that are very beatable, I am just curious as to where they will end up.

Also possible Wash U/Chicago matchup in the regional final?? Both look to have a good chance at being hosts but then again who knows
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on February 25, 2007, 11:12:32 PM
Quote from: dblock on February 25, 2007, 10:17:50 PM
the selections are probably postponed because the commitee is trying to figure out who to bump in favor of NYU... crossmyfingersihopesoknockonwood
Damn... I'm hurtin right now
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 25, 2007, 11:20:46 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on February 25, 2007, 11:07:49 PM
Wow four teams, this is great, I am so happy for the Brandeis Men (and Women) first time in 30 years the mens team is going dancing.


Which was the last team to go then?  The 1974 team (Perry, Fahey, Williams, Wong, etc)went to the ECACs.  The team that succeeded them (Martin, Harrigan, et al) was also very good. probably was them, then.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 25, 2007, 11:48:35 PM
Honestly I could not tell you which team it was, Adam Levin the SID for Brandeis just made the comment in his press release on the teams getting in that no brandeis mens team had made the tournament in over 30 yrs, and since that was well before I was born, even further before i matriculated, and the school website does not offer much history I could not tell you.

Your guess/analysis seems good tho.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 26, 2007, 07:33:29 AM
Brandeis went to three of the first four D3 tourneys (1975, 1977, and 1978), accumulating a 5-3 record in the process. The Judges haven't been back to the dance since 1978. They aren't the team in this year's tourney that will have snapped the longest danceless streak -- Loras has been in D3 from the beginning, and yet this will be the first-ever trip to the tourney for the Duhawks -- but it is the longest non-appearance streak being snapped by a school that had previously appeared in the D3 tourney.

Manhattanville also snaps a very long non-appearance streak this March. The Valiants last went dancing in 1979.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 26, 2007, 09:36:34 AM
The men's bracket is out!

Both Amherst and Salem State got first round byes and will play on Saturday.

The Brandeis men are going to Providence, RI for first and second round games.

Brandeis will be playing on the campus of Rhode Island College in Providence, RI this weekend. 

Brandeis will play in the first game on Friday against the Trinity College (CT) Bantams, a Pool C invite from the NESCAC.

In the other first round game in Providence, RI College will play against the Cinderella team from the NEWMAC, the U.S. Coast Guard Academy Beavers, who upset WPI yesterday in the NEWMAC title game to get the automatic bid from that league.

This looks like a winnable bracket with some challenging games for the Brandeis Judges this weekend.

I will be in Providence, RI on Friday to cheer on the Brandeis men in their first game in the NCAA tournament since 1978.

Where I will go on Saturday depends on the results of Friday's games.  If the Brandeis women win on Friday, I will go to Emmanuel for the Brandeis women's second round game.  If the Brandeis men defeat Trinity, and Maine-Farmington defeats Brandeis on the women's side on Friday, then I will go back to Providence for the second round game.

Either way, I want official NCAA t-shirts from both fields to celebrate the occasion.

(Side note-- This is great!  I live in Canton, MA, which is almost halfway between Boston and Providence-- a little bit closer to Boston, though.  With the MBTA commuter rail fares having just gone up, it is cheaper to take the commuter train to Providence for me than it is to go to Boston.  Plus, there is a Dave and Busters at the Providence Place Mall near the Providence train station to hang out if you want to play there, too.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 26, 2007, 10:54:43 AM
Allen, I must say I have never seen you as happy as you were this past saturday after the victory in New York. Im sorry that I will not be able to help you get the crowd going at either location, since I will be running in the conference championship at Brandeis. However, I am hopeing the one or both teams makes it to the third round so that I can witness one of our fine teams play a tournament game.

As for the matchups, Trinity was the team I was most scared of I think out of the entire North East, I am not really sure why I just got a funny feeling. I would have been much more comfortable with a Keene St. or a RIC matchup, I think this throws Brandeis toward the bottom of the barrell, and 11 seed if I look at it right, and that just does not seem fair. However, first time in 29 years, We'll take it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 26, 2007, 01:01:09 PM
Okay--

The start time for the Brandeis v. Trinity(CT) men's game is now set for 6 PM Eastern Friday at the Murray Center at RI College in Providence, RI.

A few factors justified my deciding to go to the men's match on Friday.  They are:  1.)  Cheaper commuter train fare from Canton, MA.  2.)  First NCAA tournament game for the Brandeis men's basketball team in years.  3.)  The Brandeis women aren't playing Emmanuel on Friday.

I make no predictions on who will win on Friday, but I hope that both Brandeis basketball teams win on Friday.  (Yeah, at first glance, the Brandeis v. Trinity men's game looks to be the tougher of the two, but the women from Maine can play too!) :)

Also, to Ilive4this-- if you are running on Saturday, tell me what time your event is scheduled-- I am planning to come to Brandeis on Saturday to check out some of the UAA indoor track and field championships.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on February 26, 2007, 01:53:22 PM
It hasn't been mentioned here but the Washington University Men will be hosting Fontbonne, Whitworth, and DePauw.

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/releases/mbk2-27-07.html

Not mentioned, but perhaps understood by most D3hoops regulars is that Fontbonne will be walking a block and a half down Big Bend to play WashU.

Also, while the DePauw and WashU women share hosting responsibilities with Illinois Wesleyan in an annual tournament, I don't remember the last time the men played DePauw.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Bba11man on February 26, 2007, 01:54:38 PM
tourney picks?
washu/fontbonne-wash
chicago/hope-chicago
brandeis/trinity-brandeis
rochester/plattsburgh st-rochester

what does everyone else think. i'm sticking with the UAA for at least the first round. anyone know anything about the opponents and what they think about the matchups within the games? what about the outlook for the entire tournament? how will all the UAA teams fair?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on February 26, 2007, 02:34:17 PM
Quote from: mark_reichert on February 26, 2007, 01:53:22 PM
Also, while the DePauw and WashU women share hosting responsibilities with Illinois Wesleyan in an annual tournament, I don't remember the last time the men played DePauw.

If you're a Bears fan, there's a good reason to forget the last time WashU played DePauw. It was the season-ending NCAA loss to finish the record-breaking 2001-2002 season.

DePauw can probably be described as Mark Edwards' nemesis, since the Bears are only 6-15 in the Edwards era against them, 5-7 from the 86-87 season on.

Those of us whose WashU years dated from the revival of the program remember DePauw as the powerhouse on the schedule, and beating them in 84-85 was the first big milestone for the program (hard to imagine, but that was the first of now 23 straight winning seasons on the Hilltop/Danforth campus).

Congrats to the Bears and good luck this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 26, 2007, 03:11:34 PM
Just in case any Chicago fans are interested, I put together this stat comparison:



Offense     % 2pt   % 3pt      % FT
Hope     48.3   42.6      73.9
Chicago     46.7   39.8      74.3
            
Defense     % 2pt   % 3pt     
Hope     39.9   30.9     
Chicago     46.7   34.6     
            
Rebounding     Team   Opp      Margin
Hope     37.2   33.0      4.2
Chicago     31.8   30.9      0.90
            
Scoring     Team   Opp      Margin
Hope     80.8   63.2      17.6
Chicago     76.1   67.3      8.8
            
3 point shooting     Attempts   Made      Made/game
Hope     570   243      9
Chicago     691   275      11
            
Blocks     Total   per game     
Hope     101   3.74     
Chicago     24   0.96     
            
Steals     Total   per game     
Hope     284   10.5     
Chicago     142   5.7     
            
Turnovers     Total    per game     
Hope     391   14.5     
Chicago     263   10.5     
            
Assists     Total   per game     
Hope     417   15.4     
Chicago     371   14.8     
            
Assist/Turnover             
Hope     1.07        
Chicago     1.41        
            
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 26, 2007, 07:04:20 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 26, 2007, 07:33:29 AM
Brandeis went to three of the first four D3 tourneys (1975, 1977, and 1978), accumulating a 5-3 record in the process. The Judges haven't been back to the dance since 1978. They aren't the team in this year's tourney that will have snapped the longest danceless streak -- Loras has been in D3 from the beginning, and yet this will be the first-ever trip to the tourney for the Duhawks -- but it is the longest non-appearance streak being snapped by a school that had previously appeared in the D3 tourney.

]Thanks for the answer!  Those were terrific teams.  This team has the chance to be even better, with everyone returning next year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ole Ollie on February 26, 2007, 08:49:29 PM
As a Brandeis alum from the 70s, I can give you some more information about Brandeis' three prior NCAA appearances.  Brandeis was the dominant DIII team in New England in the 70s.  They won the ECACs in 1974, before there was a Division III, and then they went to the NCAAs three of the next four years.  In 1975 and 1978 they won the New England Regionals and went to the Elite 8 (which of course was not called that then) before losing to Brockport in 75 and then Stony Brook in 78.  The 75 team probably was the best in school history.  In the regualar season they beat at least four Division I teams: Harvard, Northeastern, New Hampshire and Vermont--that sure does not happen these days.  They even played a very close game against an Oral Roberts team that had been ranked #1 in the country by Sports Illustrated and featured two future NBA players including 7 foot center David Vaughn.   The Brandeis 1975 team was led by Mike Fahey, a shooting guard who was the best player in school history.  He was an All American and ECAC Player of the Year and led the nation (all divisions) in scoring (more than 30 a game in days before the three point line, he probably would have averaged close to 40 if he played a little later, because he was an outside shooter who could also drive to the basket).  He scored more than 1,300 career points despite playing only a little more than two years (freshmen could not play then and he was hurt most of another season).  The 77 team featured two DIII All Americans, John Martin (2d team) and Joe Carter (3d) and the 78 team had two second team All Americans, Martin and Walter Harrigan.  The 74 and 75 teams have the school win record, 20, which the current team could tie or surpass this weekend.  The current team could be up with those teams and since they have no seniors, they should be a legit Final Four contender next year, at least if they can find a more dominant big guy.  Coach Meehan has done a great job taking a program that had been woeful for nearly 10 years and bringing it back to one of the better programs in New England.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 27, 2007, 12:10:42 AM
The big man is clearly the issue for the judges, there is height without size and size without height, still waiting on the combo. There is a playing in the TYP program right now who should be playing next year who could play post. T. Hollins played well down low as  PF, if only he was a few inches taller he would dominate. Brandeis really showed how they can play without a big man, by handeling Jason Boone and NYU home and home. However, we can all say the big man would take this fast paced guard driven team to the next level possibly even a national championship.

Looking at the bracket it would appear that the first round matchup with trinity is the toughest they could face all the way until the elite 8 against Amherst. I truely believe a win against trinity, will be followed by additional wins over RIC, and perhaps Salem State (Coach Meehan's old squad).

Also a side not, I am always mind boggled by the fact that when Meehan came to brandeis he had to basically clear out a squad recruited by Chris Ford. If I used to play for the celtics and coached multiple NBA squads, I really should be able to recruit some of the best players in the country, how he was unable to do so drives me nuts.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 12:17:46 AM
I don't think Ford ever wanted to be in D-III in the first place. He was just trying to get back to the NBA or get to D-I.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 27, 2007, 12:44:15 AM
I am sure you are right, but why not make the most of it, even with little effort he should have gotten top notch local recruits. Maybe i overvalue the idea of celebrity coach but it seems to work in other sports.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ole Ollie on February 27, 2007, 07:27:00 AM
Ford was hired right before the season started so he did not get a chance to recruit that year.  He seemed bored during his two year tenure, did not decide whether he wanted to come back, but then decided he would fcoach or a second year and recruited almost no one that year.  When he finally quit and Coach Meehan was hired, Meehan did not get a chance to recruit either.  He had one star, Lambert, and a bunch of role players to put it kindly.  The current junior crop came in his second year and the rest is history.

ILive, who is the TYP big man and can he play?  Any other recruits for next year?  What about other UAA recruits?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on February 27, 2007, 09:53:36 AM
Wow, the newly posted D3 RPI formula sure likes the UAA:

http://www.d3hoops.com/scoreboard/mensrpi07.htm

4. Wash U
5. Brandeis
7. Chicago
9. Rochester
29. NYU
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 27, 2007, 01:33:19 PM
I did not want to mention names because with the TYP program you are at Brandeis but for NCAA purposes you are not a brandeis student, or atleast not full time and able to play basketball. I believe with TYP you have to re-apply to the school which if you do well in the program gets guarenteed admission but I am not sure on the details. Anyway next year he will be able to play and should add a little something extra to the current jr crop and others.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ur2004 on February 27, 2007, 01:49:02 PM
Quote from: Hoop Dreams on February 27, 2007, 09:53:36 AM
Wow, the newly posted D3 RPI formula sure likes the UAA:

http://www.d3hoops.com/scoreboard/mensrpi07.htm

4. Wash U
5. Brandeis
7. Chicago
9. Rochester
29. NYU

Yeah, and yet NYU gets totally shafted, and only one of our four top-10 teams are hosting their regional. Chicago has to play at #48 Aurora and Rochester (two final fours in the past six years) has to play at a team they outrank and destroyed 82-53 in their last game this season.  Silly.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 02:10:43 PM
NYU should schedule better out of conference.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on February 27, 2007, 02:25:13 PM
According to the RPI all four of the UAA tourney teams should breeze into the Sweet 16, but I don't see it happening that way.  I would be happy if two of our four teams can survive the weekend. 

Wash U has the best chance.  They're at home and, for my money, are the UAA team best-equipped to go deep into the tournament.  But the winner of Whitworth/DePauw will be no picnic for the Bears in St. Louis...and that's assuming Wash U can survive across-the-street rival Fontbonne.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on February 27, 2007, 06:46:23 PM
Anybody know whether Chicago's Tim Reynolds (foot) might see action this weekend? 

I had heard he could return for the postseason.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: old_hooper on February 27, 2007, 07:09:05 PM
the Trinity and Brandeis matchup is going to one of the best first round games.  The Trinity guards Clarke and Martin are very good and this might be an edge for them.  DeLuca could be the difference in that game if he gets enough touches.  Trinity's center is coming off an injury and they had a disappointing loss to Williams in the NESCAC semis.  Trinity will be plenty hungery come Friday.  Both teams are very capable to make a nice run in the tourny and would not be surprised to see the winner of this game advance to the sweet 16.  I would also expect to see Rochester advance to the sweet 16 too!  Wash U could have some problems in the second game.  Whitworth beat Wheaton on their home floor and Chicago got by them (Wheaton) at home in a squeaker.  I don't feel good about the Maroons chances to make it that far.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sean-o on February 27, 2007, 07:30:19 PM
The question with Reynolds isn't whether or not he's healthy but rather if he's match fit. He'll be a big boon, though, even if it's only for 10-20 minutes a game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 27, 2007, 10:29:58 PM
So some interesting things to note about the Brandeis/Trinity matchup besides the fact that arguably the 2nd and 3rd best teams in new england are playing each other...

Brandeis Asssitant Head Coach Colin Tabb, is a graduate of Trinity College, and is their all time leading scorer, although he only played 3 seasons at the school after transferring from D1 Quinnipiac. He also grabbed a few other individual awards while at the school. One would think that this would make the matchup interesting enough for Tabb, but no...

Apparently his brother is a Coach on the Trinity staff, and two of his cousins start for the Bantams. Talk about a tough situation to be in.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 27, 2007, 11:00:05 PM
Quote from: Ole Ollie on February 26, 2007, 08:49:29 PM
As a Brandeis alum from the 70s, I can give you some more information about Brandeis' three prior NCAA appearances.  Brandeis was the dominant DIII team in New England in the 70s.  They won the ECACs in 1974, before there was a Division III, and then they went to the NCAAs three of the next four years.  In 1975 and 1978 they won the New England Regionals and went to the Elite 8 (which of course was not called that then) before losing to Brockport in 75 and then Stony Brook in 78.  The 75 team probably was the best in school history.  In the regualar season they beat at least four Division I teams: Harvard, Northeastern, New Hampshire and Vermont--that sure does not happen these days.  They even played a very close game against an Oral Roberts team that had been ranked #1 in the country by Sports Illustrated and featured two future NBA players including 7 foot center David Vaughn.   The Brandeis 1975 team was led by Mike Fahey, a shooting guard who was the best player in school history.  He was an All American and ECAC Player of the Year and led the nation (all divisions) in scoring (more than 30 a game in days before the three point line, he probably would have averaged close to 40 if he played a little later, because he was an outside shooter who could also drive to the basket).  He scored more than 1,300 career points despite playing only a little more than two years (freshmen could not play then and he was hurt most of another season).  The 77 team featured two DIII All Americans, John Martin (2d team) and Joe Carter (3d) and the 78 team had two second team All Americans, Martin and Walter Harrigan.  The 74 and 75 teams have the school win record, 20, which the current team could tie or surpass this weekend.  The current team could be up with those teams and since they have no seniors, they should be a legit Final Four contender next year, at least if they can find a more dominant big guy.  Coach Meehan has done a great job taking a program that had been woeful for nearly 10 years and bringing it back to one of the better programs in New England.

Did the 1975 team play Oral Roberts too?  Brandeis played them when Major Williams and John Perry played there and both graduated in 1974.  I can remember 'brs running the feed from ORU and Brandeis tying the score with 10 minutes left before losing. Major had his best game ever against them, holding his own against Vaughn though giving up 8 inches.

Several members of the '74 team went on to do interesting things -- Ralph Martin became District Attorney of Suffolk County (Boston) and is now Chair of the Greater Boston Chamber of Commerce; Glenn Wong was the arbitrator in the Oil Can Boyd (Red Sox) case and manager/PA announcer Andy Jick went on to announce the Celtics games on the PA and now does Boston College.

Mike Fahey was drafted in a late round by Washington, and I believe Harrigan was also drafted.  Globe columnist Bob Ryan was a big Fahey fan and considered him one of the top guards in New England.

Crowds back then were big and loud.  Music -- Sly and the Family Stone!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 27, 2007, 11:41:57 PM
I know that this years attendance numbers especially toward the end of the season were the largest I have seen since I have been at Brandeis but i was wondering how they compare to seasons in other decades. I believe the numbers listed although only estimates were a few cames over 1000 and one over 1200, this may not seem to be much for those NYU folk who got 2200 a few times this season but we are talking about a school with only 3200 undergrads, and not a whole lot of school spirit the last few seasons.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2007, 06:49:21 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 26, 2007, 07:33:29 AM
Brandeis went to three of the first four D3 tourneys (1975, 1977, and 1978), accumulating a 5-3 record in the process. The Judges haven't been back to the dance since 1978. They aren't the team in this year's tourney that will have snapped the longest danceless streak -- Loras has been in D3 from the beginning, and yet this will be the first-ever trip to the tourney for the Duhawks -- but it is the longest non-appearance streak being snapped by a school that had previously appeared in the D3 tourney.

Manhattanville also snaps a very long non-appearance streak this March. The Valiants last went dancing in 1979.

Correction to my own post from the other day: The team in this year's tourney that has waited the longest for a return invitation isn't Brandeis; it's Rhode Island College, who last appeared in the big dance back in 1977.

Also, Coast Guard, like Manhattanville, returns for the first time since 1979.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on February 28, 2007, 11:17:26 AM
Just a heads up to the UAA faithful. CMU plays Lebanon Valley tonight in the ECAC South quarter finals. The ECAC is the D3 equivilent of the NIT. I know NYU is also in the ECAC Metro tournament as the #1 seed. I think that it is safe to say that the UAA has solidified itself as one of the top conferences in the country considering 6 out of 8 teams are involved in post-season play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2007, 11:32:30 AM

The ECAC is really nothing to brag about.  NYU's bracket is pretty strong, but a lot of teams won't even accept bids to it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ole Ollie on February 28, 2007, 03:34:18 PM
Howard it turns out that Ole Ollie's memory is a little foggy; that's what happens when you get to our age I guess.  I checked the Oral Roberts website and the Brandeis game was in 1973.  That year's ORU team featured future pros Richard Fugua (one of the nation's leading scorers) and Vaughn and went to the NIT (the next year they got one game from the Final Four) and Brandeis ended up getting beat by more than 20; but the game was very close until near the end.  By the way, I understand Glenn Wong's son plays for Amherst now.

ILive, it is tough to compare the crowds from the 70 and 80s; it seemed like there were a lot of people at many games, but the team played in the very small Shapiro Gym then, so there could not have been all that many people at the games.  And the school was quite a bit smaller then.  There were some pretty large crowds when Gosman opened in the early 90s--they had seats on both sides of the court then.  In the down years you probably could fire a cannon into the bleachers and not hit anyone.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mrmike88 on February 28, 2007, 04:53:31 PM
Glenn Wong is a sophomore backup guard on this year's Amherst squad.  He doesn't play much, but then again Coach Hixon plays his upperclassmen with few exceptions...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 28, 2007, 07:33:18 PM
Actually it is very possible that 7/8 teams would be in post season play if the ECAC went down to Atlanta, but it does not and that is part of the problem. Everyone always uses the analogy with the NIT because it is the simplest way to explain it, but it really is much worse, and here is why...

1) The ECAC does not cover the whole country, East Coast Athletic Conference, it is right in the name.
2) As an ECAC champ you are not even the champ of the east coast, you actually share that honor with the winners of three other brackets, with no four team playoff to decide a true ECAC champ.
3)Many teams turn down bids they clearly must be offered, the nescac being case in point. I do not know whether it is conference policy or what, but whether it be basketball, soccer, volleyball etc. the nescac never seems to appear in an ECAC tourny. It turns out in many of these cases its simply a championship for smaller conferences.

However I do not mean to be too negative, post season play is post season play and congrats to those who receive invites and more so those who are crowned champions. Winning anything is always a big deal, I know the Judges are very proud of the back to back ECAC titles won by the womens bball team, and the titles won by mens soccer and womens volleyball this fall.

Good Luck to NYU and CMU in their respective tournies.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pineconefan on February 28, 2007, 07:47:57 PM
Hello Wash U. fans -

As a Whitworth fan, I am interested to know what the Pirates can expect on the upcoming trip to St. Louis?   What is your gym like?  What kind of turnout do you expect - attendance wise? 

I've heard rumors that your's is a pretty neat place to watch small college basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on February 28, 2007, 07:55:24 PM
Pine cone - I don't want to speak for Wash U. and I'm sure mark will correct me. But, at last Saturday's game against Chicago the attendance was 1997. Look for a huge turn out from FU and Depauw usually travels well. Their gym holds about 3000 packed and it could be. It becomes a loud enviroment
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 28, 2007, 08:39:10 PM
It is definatly an interesting place, I not being a ball player never played there, but I can imagine it would be very tough. Even while eating food at our banquet two years ago for track you could tell it would be intimidating. There is a lower level of bleachers that come close the the court i believe on all four sides, and then a balcony level on both non-basket sides on the court. Plus windows on the top level on one of the ends where the wash u sports hall of fame is.

This may not work for most people but it vaguely remind me of the U Penn Palestra (not the one at Rochester)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on February 28, 2007, 09:09:12 PM
Very, very tough shooting gym. No background. Floor itself is spingy. Student section gets interesting. Lower level holds 2000. Very loud.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: TheKatzInTheHat on February 28, 2007, 10:20:10 PM
I wanted to alert you all to the WBRS broadcasts of the Brandeis games (www.wbrs.org). Since both teams are playing at (about) the same time, we're going to be doing some shuffling on the broadcasts.

On Friday night, we're going to be broadcasting the women's game live at Emmanuel College. We'll start with a pregame which will go right up until tip at 5:30. We'll also have a team in Providence to broadcast the men's game, but that game will be recorded and played on Saturday at 4 PM. During timeouts and if the women's game ends earlier, we will go to the men's game to get updates.

On Saturday, it gets a little more complicated. We'll first broadcast the taped men's game for those who want to hear it. If both teams win, the roles are switched and we'll announce the men's game live and the women's game taped. If the men lose and the women win, we'll go to the women's game live. I believe both of those games will be live at 7 PM with a pregame before. I'm not exactly sure when the women's game will be broadcast on the air if both teams win, but we'll worry about that later.

We've been in contact with our provider to get more slots so none of you should be shut out of the webcast if you want to listen in (though, if you're in the Waltham/Newton/Boston area, tune to 100.1 FM). Sorry for the long post, but I figured I should let you all know the deal.

I heard that there will be a student bus to both games (I'm a graduate student and they leave me off the undergrad mailserv) so hopefully there will be a large Brandeis fan showing at both games as there's been at all the home games and even some away games (from the vantage point of the broadcast booth, the Brandeis fans were louder at NYU than the home team). It's going to be an exciting weekend for all the UAA teams in the tournament. I don't see why all shouldn't be playing some more basketball after this weekend is done.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 28, 2007, 11:30:22 PM
Quote from: Ole Ollie on February 28, 2007, 03:34:18 PM
Howard it turns out that Ole Ollie's memory is a little foggy; that's what happens when you get to our age I guess.  I checked the Oral Roberts website and the Brandeis game was in 1973.  That year's ORU team featured future pros Richard Fugua (one of the nation's leading scorers) and Vaughn and went to the NIT (the next year they got one game from the Final Four) and Brandeis ended up getting beat by more than 20; but the game was very close until near the end.  By the way, I understand Glenn Wong's son plays for Amherst now.


Thanks Ollie, I was actually hoping you were right and maybe I'm younger than I thought, but no ...

Thanks also to the folks on the Board for tolerating a few memories, but this year's team has brought back thoughts of the great ol' teams for some of us, while giving the current student body something to remember for years to come.

And best wishes to young Mr. Wong!  Except against 'Deis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 01, 2007, 01:22:24 AM
Pinecone- Wash.U has gotten very loud this year. The team's fan base got progressively larger throughout the season, as students started coming out of the wood works to support the team. The die hards have always been involved, but this team has caught the attention of a lot of students who might otherwise never have attended a Wash.U sporting event (this is a VERY academic place). Since community support isn't terribly strong, the majority of the fans are students and they do make it a difficult place to play. The team is 14-0 at home this year. If you get by Depauw, you might catch the place on a slightly off-night, as it's Relay for Life, an event extremely well supported by students. Then again, people could leave it for a couple hours and make it awfully tough on the visitor. Hope I could be of some help. Let us know about your squad.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on March 01, 2007, 11:18:33 AM
OUCH!!! Pat Coleman has Trinity (CT), Brandeis' first round matchup going to the title game...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: atn alum on March 01, 2007, 11:53:27 AM
Sager...

to correct something from 2-3 pages ago. RIC was last in the NCAAs 28 years ago, as a matter of fact, I'm told their last ncaa game was march 2, 1979...against Coast Guard!

so I think Brandeis may be the longest

<<Correction to my own post from the other day: The team in this year's tour<<ney that has waited the longest for a return invitation isn't Brandeis; it's Rhode Island College, who last appeared in the big dance back in 1977.

Also, Coast Guard, like Manhattanville, returns for the first time since 1979>>
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on March 01, 2007, 02:10:42 PM
In addition to everybody else's comments, here's a useful link:

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/mensbball/mensbball.html

Particularly useful are the directions and parking information.  Construction of a new building has erased the big lot in front of the athletic complex, so people have been scrambling for spots, since a new parking garage hasn't been completed yet.  Vistors might actually be better off riding the Metrolink and getting off at the Big Bend stop.  From there you can see the building looming up the hill and if you climb the stairs on that side of the building, eventually you come to the front door.

I can't find a picture of the court on-line, but there's on in the Field House section of the media guide Acrobat file, which you can download from the above website.

This year at least one of the fraternities has resurrected the Bomb Squad, a group that stands opposite the visiting team and is very loud.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 07:19:48 PM
Hey guys, we're collecting previews for each team in the tourney on one of the multiregional boards. If I get them by Friday I may even be able to stick them in one document for people to peruse. A fun little tourney resource of sorts. We've got Chicago and Brandeis previews (thank you!), but would someone here be willing to do one for Wash U and Rochester too? Thanks!

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5147.0
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ur2004 on March 01, 2007, 11:35:10 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 07:19:48 PM
Hey guys, we're collecting previews for each team in the tourney on one of the multiregional boards. If I get them by Friday I may even be able to stick them in one document for people to peruse. A fun little tourney resource of sorts. We've got Chicago and Brandeis previews (thank you!), but would someone here be willing to do one for Wash U and Rochester too? Thanks!

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5147.0


UR is done.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 11:39:34 PM
thanks!

wash u anyone?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on March 02, 2007, 06:09:58 AM
Quote from: mark_reichert on March 01, 2007, 02:10:42 PM
In addition to everybody else's comments, here's a useful link:

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/mensbball/mensbball.html

This year at least one of the fraternities has resurrected the Bomb Squad, a group that stands opposite the visiting team and is very loud.

Now that brings back memories. The Bomb Squad started about 1986 or so, as the three-point shot went into effect and WashU had a bunch of great outside shooters led by Kevin Suiter. The student crowd would go nuts every time a WU player hit a three, and the Betas would carry around this bomb (an inflatable thing, I think) that was the symbol of the whole show. I remember flying back to school the first time they hosted NCAA play and it was quite a show. Hope they can match it this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on March 02, 2007, 02:26:26 PM
Just hours from tipoff for all eight UAA teams (four men, four women).

Unfortunately, I can't make it out to Aurora tonight...project deadlines at work + 6pm starts don't mix.  But I'll be there tomorrow, regardless of the outcome.  Hopefully I will be watching UC play for the Sweet 16.

GO MAROONS!!!

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on March 02, 2007, 06:40:33 PM
Brandeis 24, Trinity 23 at half, great video feed via Trinity!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on March 02, 2007, 07:26:39 PM
Joe Coppens 3 pointer ties game with 26 seconds left at 56, 'Deis comes back from 5 down ....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on March 02, 2007, 07:27:50 PM
Keno Clark misses jumper, off we go to O/T!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on March 02, 2007, 07:32:54 PM
Hope leads Chicago 42-29 at half
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on March 02, 2007, 07:44:17 PM
Brandeis 77, Trinity 70 in OT, DeLuca two big 3's in OT, Coppens, Roberson hit key free throws.  Trinity went down fighting, but Judges move on.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ole Ollie on March 03, 2007, 09:17:01 AM
Ole Ollie has seen a lot of Brandeis basketball games, but yesterday has to be at or near the top.  I thought both teams played very well (I was very impressed with the Trinity guards Martin and Clarke) and neither team really deserved to go home.  I think that the players of the game for Brandeis had to be Deluca, Roberson and Coppens.  Coppens hit a money three from the top of the key to send the game into overtime and otherwise played well. Roberson was very steady, hit a bunch of pressure free throws late in the game and made a huge steal at the beginning of overtime after which he dove for the ball and managed to call timeout without traveling.  Deluca was a little quiet for him in regulation, but went crazy in OT, including a long fade away three with the shot clock expiring to ice the game with a minute left.  One difference between this team and the last couple of years is they don't wilt under pressure.  You could tell that they shifted into higher gear late in the game and said, there is no way we are losing.  I can't say I have ever seen any team as excited on the floor and the bench as the players and coaches were in overtime; gesturing to the Brandeis supporters to cheer and jumping up and down.  It was nice to see that much enthusiasm
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: TheKatzInTheHat on March 03, 2007, 02:53:46 PM
Just to remind everyone, WBRS is playing the taped version of yesterdays men's game today at 4 PM and then the live version of the men's game vs. Rhode Island College at 7 PM. Tune in to www.wbrs.org for all the action. And if you want to hear more Brandeis basketball talk, tune in now to hear a little pregame show with some of the announcers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2007, 03:58:07 PM
Color me surprised that Chicago didn't get knocked out by a team with a strong inside presence, as that was the Achilles heel that I thought would prove the Maroons' undoing. Instead, they were beaten pretty soundly by another smallish team that had superior athleticism that took the Maroons completely out of their game on the offensive end, and which got them myriad great looks at the basket at the offensive end.

Still, congrats to the Maroons upon a great season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on March 03, 2007, 08:53:08 PM
Judges lose, 70-67. Congrats to RIC.

Judges were down 18 with 10 to go, got back to 3, had Joe Coppens miss a 3 at the end (hit a clutch one last night), capped off a tough shooting night.

Rexhepi, 16 the first half, non-factor the second.

Mael probably the best of the big men tonight.

Team looked tired but summoned enough for a rally that just fell short.  RIC scored either 3 or 4 points the last ten minutes.

Nice season guys, everyone back next year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: John Gleich on March 04, 2007, 12:03:16 AM
For Wash U fans wondering about UWSP... Rather than tell you about everything Stevens Point does and is good at, here's a reposting of something I typed up a little differently for the MIAC page earlier this week when asked:

Quote from: retiredoldrat on March 01, 2007, 10:02:49 PM
How did Stevens Point lose to Oshkosh in their first meeting?

...Point scored fewer points...

But seriously, Oshkosh found a way to slow Point down.  Point scored just 55 points in this game (12 and 13 points less than their next-lowest outputs against La Crosse and 27 less than the season average).

The WAY they slowed Point down was by controlling the tempo, playing BIG defense (I'll qualify this in a bit), keeping Point to their lowest shooting percentages of the season, and by shooting extremely well.

Controlling the tempo: Oshkosh would pound the air out of the ball for 25 seconds on the shot clock, then dump the ball into Gibson.  If Point doubled, that left someone open.  If they didn't, then Gibson usually made the shot (9/13).  When he missed, the slashing guards Johnson and Marsh collectively got 7 offensive rebounds.

Playing BIG defense:  With 7'1" Gibson on the inside (5 blocks), it really kept Point's guards from driving and cutting, which forced Point to take more three's out of rather stagnant offense.  For the season, Point is 4th in the country at 3 point percentage at 42.3%, and 42.5% of their shots are from deep.  They make 10.7 3's per game (8th in the country).  In this game, Point shot 31 3's, only making 12, and their 31 3's were 58.5% of their total shots.  Also, even in a slowed down game, Oshkosh forced more turnovers (11) than Point averages (leading all of college basketball at 8.4... this is better than 1 TO fewer than the next-closest team in D3).

Keeping Point to their lowest shooting percentages of the season- Pretty self explanitory, but again, largely due to the fact that easier baskets were very hard to come by due to Oshkosh's size and defense... Point had just 14 points in the paint, and while they don't have a dominating big man, cutters routinely get open off of back cuts, curls, drives, and dishes.  Point leads all of college basketball in assist to turnover ratio at 2.04:1 assists:TO's.  This is because Point's players can all take the ball off the dribble and they are a very good passing team, but they are also very unselfish.  All 5 starters can hit the 3, and each have hit at least 19.  Point guard El-Amin has been hitting his three's of late, he's 10/19 in the last 6 games, and in his last 5 games he's got 27 assists to 3 TO's.  He's leading the WIAC at 3.13 A:TO ratio... but he's not alone.  Starters Brian Beamish and Steve Hicklin are 2 and 3 in the league, and Krull is 5th.  Even Pete Rortvedt, Point's leading scorer, who takes the plurality of Point's shots has a 1.45 A:TO ratio.

But Rortvedt is a much bigger shooting threat.  He's averaging 3.37 3's per game (his 91 for the season has already broken Nick Bennett's single season record, and he's on pace to shatter Bennett's school record and the conference record as well), which is 19th in the country, and he shoots them at a 42.5% clip.  But Steve Hicklin, who plays opposite P.R. on the other wing is shooting 50%, which is good for a tie for second in the land.  Jon Krull will bang inside and at 6'4" is a bit undersized at the post... but he typically posts up in the short corner and uses his quickness to get around bigger defenders and his toughness to muscle the shot up.  But he also can step out and hit the long ball... he's hit 46 on the year and is shooting 44.2%.

Finally, when the game is winding down, in close games, Point seals games by shooting 81.8% from the free throw line.  This actually is down from 84% during the year, but if you're forced to try and foul and play the 3 for 2 against Point, it isn't going to work too well...

Well, here's a tidbit about Point... there's lots more that I could say, but this just a taste.  The only losses Point has had, they were beaten as I stated above, and they were simply outscored by D-2 Northern Michigan.  Any insights on Wash U?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 04, 2007, 12:41:08 AM
I can't possibly give that kind of detail on Wash U, but I've seen them play a number of times this year. They play great defense and hustle, hustle, hustle. Sounds like they will need to do both on Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ole Ollie on March 04, 2007, 07:51:22 AM
Brandeis had nothing to be ashamed of, losing a close game last night to a very good team on their home court.  RIC played far better last night than they did against Coast Guard -- they are a very quick, athletic team and hit some long threes to pull away. I was very impressed by Bailey in particular; a D-I quality slasher.  Brandeis didn't have its best shooting night and got a little sloppy with the ball at times to fall behind; but they almost pulled off a miracle comeback when they could have just thrown in the towel and they had three opportunities in the last minute to tie the game, but just couldn't quite seal the deal.  I would have loved to have seen that matchup with Amherst in the Elite Eight, but that will have to wait for next year.  With everyone coming back, Brandeis should be a strong contender next year in the UAA and New England if not nationally and if they can add some more depth, especially up front, they should be even better.  Good luck to WashU and RIC the rest of the way.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: diehardfan on March 04, 2007, 12:02:42 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on March 04, 2007, 12:41:08 AM
I can't possibly give that kind of detail on Wash U
Point Special is basically a protege of Gregory Sager. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 04, 2007, 12:18:26 PM
At least when it comes to Stevens Point.  If he can do that for every team, or at least the tourney teams, then I'll agree! lol.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: diehardfan on March 04, 2007, 01:12:17 PM
Quote from: Old School on March 04, 2007, 12:18:26 PM
At least when it comes to Stevens Point.  If he can do that for every team, or at least the tourney teams, then I'll agree! lol.  ;)
I only meant that in terms of length of post and attention to detail. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 04, 2007, 03:16:23 PM
So, do Washington U. fans travel well.  I know St. Louis is a good 8 hours from Point.  I talked to my dad and he remembers that Quandt was full when the Pointer women hosted a sectional, which I believed included Washington U.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on March 04, 2007, 03:50:41 PM
Quote from: Old School on March 04, 2007, 03:16:23 PM
So, do Washington U. fans travel well.  I know St. Louis is a good 8 hours from Point.  I talked to my dad and he remembers that Quandt was full when the Pointer women hosted a sectional, which I believed included Washington U.

The Wash U men do not draw particularly well at home (745 avg attendance this year) and in all the years the Bears have played @ IWU, I can't remember more than just 20-30 fans making the trip.  Obviously a tournament game is different than a non-conference game, but my guess is that Wash U will have 100 or less fans at UW-SP.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on March 04, 2007, 09:35:19 PM
Speaking with first hand knowlege only. We were at the Women's sweet sixteen at St. Thomas in 2001 and Wash U. was also their. They probably had 250 with them. That was the year they won the National Tournament
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 04, 2007, 10:01:51 PM
Quote from: fcnews on March 04, 2007, 09:35:19 PM
Speaking with first hand knowlege only. We were at the Women's sweet sixteen at St. Thomas in 2001 and Wash U. was also their. They probably had 250 with them. That was the year they won the National Tournament

With personal knowledge, I was at the WU-UWSP game in the 2004 Sectional.  Wash U probably brought 100 or so fans, mostly parents, but it was the school's spring break.  I bet there's a decent showing up to Wisconsin.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on March 04, 2007, 10:15:00 PM
It's tough to gauge a Wash U. crowd. You have a STL team without one STL player. So this years version may draw more on the road.

Friday's attendance at Wash U. was listed at 1524. I'll give both Depauw and Whitworth a break and say 50 fans from both. Good WU and FU crowd.

Saturday they list 833 (hard to beleive), the student section was smaller for WU because of a Relay for Life event being held nearby on the track.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 04, 2007, 11:14:48 PM
I'll say this too, the school spirit at Wash U has increased noticeably over the past 4-5 years...4-5 years ago, most of the school probably wouldn't have even known that the school was in the tournament.

The other thing for this upcoming weekend in terms of sending fans to Wisconsin is(a good problem to have), but the Wash U women are in the Sweet 16 as well at Luther College in Iowa.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on March 05, 2007, 12:01:48 AM
Jagluski - Good to see the Bomb Squad Back.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 05, 2007, 10:29:22 AM
Just a quick note on the Wash.U crowds of this past year from someone who hasn't missed a home game...Attendence figures are very tough to report because, well, they don't sell tickets. Even for the NCAA games, Wash. U students (who make up a clear majority of the crowd at all home games) weren't charged for tickets. Basically what happened is that because the NCAA needs an official count, the ticket counters count each person through the door, but that becomes quite hard to do when 15-20 students roll through en masse with nothing more than student ID's. You simply can't count all those. Also, a lot of students enter through alternate entrances or later in the game. So, Friday's announced crowd of 1524 was, in actuality, a lot more like 2200-2300 and Saturday's announced crowd of 833 was a lot more like 1200. The official Friday crowd of 1524 was considerably larger than the UChicago crowd of a week earlier, which was announced as 1907. Also, the 745 seasonal average is misleading in that because the UAA plays Friday night and then at noon on sunday, friday night crowds are considerably larger than sunday crowds. WashU has been a very tough place to play all year. Ask anyone who played in the field house; the bears didn't lose at home all season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 05, 2007, 10:30:23 AM
That said, the students won't travel to Stevens Point because Spring Break begins that same day and most kids aren't heading North...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2007, 11:51:31 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 05, 2007, 10:29:22 AM
Basically what happened is that because the NCAA needs an official count, the ticket counters count each person through the door, but that becomes quite hard to do when 15-20 students roll through en masse with nothing more than student ID's. You simply can't count all those.

Interesting, because the NCAA will still want its money for each of those. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on March 05, 2007, 12:11:43 PM
Marty or anyone else  -  please post if anything comes out on tickets for the games up at Stevens Point  -  I'm counting on going up, but when I called this morning, I was told the schools would have a conference call this afternoon to discuss distribution.... 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sean-o on March 05, 2007, 12:20:34 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 05, 2007, 10:29:22 AM
Just a quick note on the Wash.U crowds of this past year from someone who hasn't missed a home game...Attendence figures are very tough to report because, well, they don't sell tickets. Even for the NCAA games, Wash. U students (who make up a clear majority of the crowd at all home games) weren't charged for tickets. Basically what happened is that because the NCAA needs an official count, the ticket counters count each person through the door, but that becomes quite hard to do when 15-20 students roll through en masse with nothing more than student ID's. You simply can't count all those. Also, a lot of students enter through alternate entrances or later in the game. So, Friday's announced crowd of 1524 was, in actuality, a lot more like 2200-2300 and Saturday's announced crowd of 833 was a lot more like 1200. The official Friday crowd of 1524 was considerably larger than the UChicago crowd of a week earlier, which was announced as 1907. Also, the 745 seasonal average is misleading in that because the UAA plays Friday night and then at noon on sunday, friday night crowds are considerably larger than sunday crowds. WashU has been a very tough place to play all year. Ask anyone who played in the field house; the bears didn't lose at home all season.

This is so easy to solve for NCAA games. Print out tickets and give each student with an ID one. There, you've solved your problem.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: John Gleich on March 05, 2007, 12:24:28 PM
I'm not sure if the last game was dubbed a sellout... but the attendance was listed at 2504.  The way the tickets were distributed two years ago, UWSP got half, and then the other half were split up between Puget Sound, Trinity (TX), and Hanover.  I know that UPS and Trinity didn't use up their full allotment and I'm almost positive that Hanover only used about 2/3 of theirs.  

This gives approximately 417 tickets to each school... if things go the way they have previously.

That said, the UWSP/UW Oshkosh game earlier this year was listed at 2700... That was general admission, and they weren't being as strict about making people sit in the seat they were assigned... I remember the student section in particular over flowed onto the space in between the behind-the-basket bleachers and the bleachers where the students sit... er... stand.

I know that the tickets available to UWSP fans will begin to be sold tomorrow morning at 8:00 am.  I've already got plans to be there at about 6:00 to get my seats!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: diehardfan on March 05, 2007, 12:34:13 PM
Quote from: sean-o on March 05, 2007, 12:20:34 PM
This is so easy to solve for NCAA games. Print out tickets and give each student with an ID one. There, you've solved your problem.
It's easy to do for regular games too... you just have a table where the students flash their ID for one of those little raffle tickets and and the student gives one to the gate person as they walk through just like everyone else...

Quote from: Titan Q on March 04, 2007, 03:50:41 PM
Quote from: Old School on March 04, 2007, 03:16:23 PM
So, do Washington U. fans travel well.  I know St. Louis is a good 8 hours from Point.  I talked to my dad and he remembers that Quandt was full when the Pointer women hosted a sectional, which I believed included Washington U.

The Wash U men do not draw particularly well at home (745 avg attendance this year) and in all the years the Bears have played @ IWU, I can't remember more than just 20-30 fans making the trip.  Obviously a tournament game is different than a non-conference game, but my guess is that Wash U will have 100 or less fans at UW-SP.
About Wash U fans: I drove down to St. Louis one afternoon to catch a Sunday men's game in St. Louis against Rochester (who was #1 at the time) when I was still in college at Wheaton. Interestingly, the Men's game was the "warmup" for the Women's game. The stadium was relatively empty for the men's game. After the game, I decided to wait a bit before making the long 5 hr drive back to the Chicagoland area, and watch the part of the women's game. Much to my surprise, the stadium got packed really fast as the women's game was about to start. While I think all programs should be better supported than they are (except for a few notable exceptions), I  thought in Wash U situation was fun in its uniqueness. With that said, I hope that Wash U comes out in force to Stevens Point and I hope I get to meet many of your fans there! :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on March 05, 2007, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on March 05, 2007, 12:24:28 PM
I'm not sure if the last game was dubbed a sellout... but the attendance was listed at 2504.  The way the tickets were distributed two years ago, UWSP got half, and then the other half were split up between Puget Sound, Trinity (TX), and Hanover.  I know that UPS and Trinity didn't use up their full allotment and I'm almost positive that Hanover only used about 2/3 of theirs. 

This gives approximately 417 tickets to each school... if things go the way they have previously.

Things will, or should, be the same, as per the NCAA's policy:

Quote from: NCAA Men's Div III Basketball Championship Handbook, page 36Four-team Sites: Day One–Two games
1. Home team will receive one-half of available seating. The remaining half of available seating will be equally distributed in terms of number and location among the three visiting teams.
2. Each section should have its own clearly identifiable tickets (separate color than home supporters, other visiting supporters or walk-up tickets)
3. Visiting teams must notify the host institution in writing (via fax) of any of its ticket allotment it has not sold by:
• First- and second-round sites: Thursday, March 1, noon (local time of the host institution);
• Sectional sites: Thursday, March 8, noon (local time of the host institution);
• If the host is not notified by the visiting team by the prescribed times, the visiting team shall be financially accountable for its total ticket allotment.
4. The host institutions must notify the other visiting teams by 3 p.m. of that same day, of their opportunity to purchase additional tickets (the "returned" tickets must be equally distributed among the remaining teams, based on requests by the visiting teams).
Example 1:
Host Team A receives one-half of the available tickets. Visiting teams B, C, and D are given equal portions of the remaining tickets. Teams A, B and C use their entire allotment. Team D returns 300 tickets. If teams A, B and C want all the tickets they can get, then each will receive 100 additional tickets.
Example 2:
Host Team A receives one-half of the available tickets. Visiting teams B, C, and D are given equal portions of the remaining tickets. Teams A, B and C use their entire allotment. Team D returns 300 tickets. Teams A and B want all the tickets they can get, but team C requests only 50 additional tickets. Therefore, team C gets 50 of the 300 remaining tickets, and teams A and B are given equal portions of the remaining allotment (125 each).
5. The host must be notified by 3 p.m. (local time of the host) on the first day of competition of the additionally offered tickets that will not be used by the visiting teams.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 05, 2007, 01:38:52 PM
The great Wash. U student fans would travel, but spring break will prevent them from doing so and thus, you won't meet very many of them. As for the game, check out today's edition of the Wash.U. student newspaper, Student Life, where Whitworth head coach has some choice words for the Wisconsin league. Studlife.com is the address.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 05, 2007, 02:07:06 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 05, 2007, 12:34:13 PM


Quote from: Titan Q on March 04, 2007, 03:50:41 PM
Quote from: Old School on March 04, 2007, 03:16:23 PM
So, do Washington U. fans travel well.  I know St. Louis is a good 8 hours from Point.  I talked to my dad and he remembers that Quandt was full when the Pointer women hosted a sectional, which I believed included Washington U.

The Wash U men do not draw particularly well at home (745 avg attendance this year) and in all the years the Bears have played @ IWU, I can't remember more than just 20-30 fans making the trip.  Obviously a tournament game is different than a non-conference game, but my guess is that Wash U will have 100 or less fans at UW-SP.
About Wash U fans: I drove down to St. Louis one afternoon to catch a Sunday men's game in St. Louis against Rochester (who was #1 at the time) when I was still in college at Wheaton. Interestingly, the Men's game was the "warmup" for the Women's game. The stadium was relatively empty for the men's game. After the game, I decided to wait a bit before making the long 5 hr drive back to the Chicagoland area, and watch the part of the women's game. Much to my surprise, the stadium got packed really fast as the women's game was about to start. While I think all programs should be better supported than they are (except for a few notable exceptions), I  thought in Wash U situation was fun in its uniqueness. With that said, I hope that Wash U comes out in force to Stevens Point and I hope I get to meet many of your fans there! :)

This is the way the UAA works.  Friday night home games are women at 6, men at 8 and Sunday home games are men at 12 or 1, women at 2 or 3.  And how many college students do you know that will wake up for a 12pm basketball game on a Sunday! 

Marty is probably correct though; you'll have decent community/parents/etc support from the Wash U fans, but not much else since the students are on Spring Break.  I would love to go...enjoyed my trip up there 3 years ago when the women played.  Alas, I'm an alum at this point and the New York to Stevens Point trip isn't happening.  I'll be listening on the internet.

Marty's also right...there's an interesting article in the Wash U paper today where Whitworth's coach says a) He's rooting for Wash U this weekend b) He's not a fan of the WIAC and says UWSP should be D-II
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2007, 02:09:07 PM
I'm sure a lot of schools would think the NWC schools belong back in the NAIA as well. But any school that doesn't give scholarships, whether it be 350-student Southern Vermont or 17,000-student NYU, should be welcome in Division III.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2007, 02:12:16 PM
Hayford reserved even harsher words for the Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (WIAC), the league in which Stevens Point competes. "Someone needs to tell the Wisconsin schools, 'look around the rest of Division III. Do you see anyone else like you? You probably ought to go in the division that you should be in," said the sixth-year head coach. "The Wisconsin league looks a lot like the rest of the Division II looks like." LINK (http://www.studlife.com/media/storage/paper337/news/2007/03/05/Sports/Next-Stop.Bears.Stevens.Point-2757081-page4.shtml)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 05, 2007, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2007, 02:12:16 PM
Hayford reserved even harsher words for the Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (WIAC), the league in which Stevens Point competes. "Someone needs to tell the Wisconsin schools, 'look around the rest of Division III. Do you see anyone else like you? You probably ought to go in the division that you should be in," said the sixth-year head coach. "The Wisconsin league looks a lot like the rest of the Division II looks like." LINK (http://www.studlife.com/media/storage/paper337/news/2007/03/05/Sports/Next-Stop.Bears.Stevens.Point-2757081-page4.shtml)

Maybe just to me, but it's amusing that the author of the article thinks Wash U is going to Steven's Point(who exactly is this Steven?) instead of Stevens Point.  At least for my alma mater's sake, Hayford is very compliamentary of Wash U's team as student-athletes.  And then, yes, he goes off on the WIAC(I just didn't post the link myself because I thought there were login issues).  I don't know enough about the situation to make an educated comment about the league.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: diehardfan on March 05, 2007, 02:43:10 PM
Yeah, saw that article..... eek!  ???
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: diehardfan on March 05, 2007, 02:43:40 PM
Hey guys, I just thought I'd pop in to let you know about a little project we did. A group of around 40 posters banded together and created a Unofficial Guide to the 2006-2007 NCAA Tourney, that contains a team-by-team breakdown of the teams in the tournament. This is especially cool given the fact that the official NCAA guide gives you very little insight into the teams, and nearly all of the previews in the Unofficial Guide were made by fans of the team.

The website is: http://wheatonhoops.googlepages.com/ncaatourney and on that website you can find browsable information, as well as a 19 page printable PDF document. This was updated as of this morning.

While I doubt that we'll ever get any posters to submit information for the 11 teams that did not submit previews, it does include previews from 48 of the 59 teams in the tournament, and all of the teams in the Sweet Sixteen. I hope you check it out and enjoy the content!

If there are any corrections or content additions you would like to me, please submit them to me by PM. Thanks! :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 05, 2007, 03:00:56 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 05, 2007, 02:43:40 PM
Hey guys, I just thought I'd pop in to let you know about a little project we did. A group of around 40 posters banded together and created a Unofficial Guide to the 2006-2007 NCAA Tourney, that contains a team-by-team breakdown of the teams in the tournament. This is especially cool given the fact that the official NCAA guide gives you very little insight into the teams, and nearly all of the previews in the Unofficial Guide were made by fans of the team.

The website is: http://wheatonhoops.googlepages.com/ncaatourney and on that website you can find browsable information, as well as a 19 page printable PDF document. This was updated as of this morning.

While I doubt that we'll ever get any posters to submit information for the 11 teams that did not submit previews, it does include previews from 48 of the 59 teams in the tournament, and all of the teams in the Sweet Sixteen. I hope you check it out and enjoy the content!

If there are any corrections or content additions you would like to me, please submit them to me by PM. Thanks! :)

Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2007, 03:14:26 PM
Quote from: jagluski on March 05, 2007, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2007, 02:12:16 PM
Hayford reserved even harsher words for the Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (WIAC), the league in which Stevens Point competes. "Someone needs to tell the Wisconsin schools, 'look around the rest of Division III. Do you see anyone else like you? You probably ought to go in the division that you should be in," said the sixth-year head coach. "The Wisconsin league looks a lot like the rest of the Division II looks like." LINK (http://www.studlife.com/media/storage/paper337/news/2007/03/05/Sports/Next-Stop.Bears.Stevens.Point-2757081-page4.shtml)

Maybe just to me, but it's amusing that the author of the article thinks Wash U is going to Steven's Point(who exactly is this Steven?) instead of Stevens Point.  At least for my alma mater's sake, Hayford is very compliamentary of Wash U's team as student-athletes.  And then, yes, he goes off on the WIAC(I just didn't post the link myself because I thought there were login issues).  I don't know enough about the situation to make an educated comment about the league.

The article reads Stevens Point. The headline says otherwise but headlines are rarely written by the reporter.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 05, 2007, 03:54:54 PM
The WIAC schools are public state schools.  Last time I checked, there are other public state schools in D3 as well.  Or maybe I've been doing too many recreational drugs lately.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: John Gleich on March 05, 2007, 03:59:33 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2007, 02:12:16 PM
Hayford reserved even harsher words for the Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (WIAC), the league in which Stevens Point competes. "Someone needs to tell the Wisconsin schools, 'look around the rest of Division III. Do you see anyone else like you? You probably ought to go in the division that you should be in," said the sixth-year head coach. "The Wisconsin league looks a lot like the rest of the Division II looks like." LINK (http://www.studlife.com/media/storage/paper337/news/2007/03/05/Sports/Next-Stop.Bears.Stevens.Point-2757081-page4.shtml)

I'm not sure why he feels he's an expert on DIII athletics... though he's on his 6th year at the helm of a DIII program, he previously coached at NAIA DII U of Souix Falls, and Azusa Pacific.  APU is his alma mater, as well... and before a stint as an assistant there, he was a high school coach.  In fact, the year the NWC switched from NAIA to NCAA DIII was just in 98-99... a year AFTER the WIAC switched over. 

Ironically, at the bottom of the NWC's history page, there's a phrase that would seem to fly in the face of coach Hayford's comments:

"Division III institutions also seek to establish and maintain an environment that values cultural diversity and gender equity among their student-athletes and athletic staff." (http://www.nwcsports.com/information/history.htm)

HERE (http://www.whitworth.edu/Athletics/Teams/Basketball_Men/Coaches.htm) is a link to his bio.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: monsoon on March 05, 2007, 06:09:40 PM
Just started a separate board for the Stevens Point Sectional in Multi-Regional Topics...that way we won't have to be in 4 different places while discussing Hope - Carroll - Wash U - UWSP.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 05, 2007, 06:33:45 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 05, 2007, 12:53:57 PM
Things will, or should, be the same, as per the NCAA's policy:

Quote from: NCAA Men's Div III Basketball Championship Handbook, page 36Four-team Sites: Day One–Two games
1. Home team will receive one-half of available seating. The remaining half of available seating will be equally distributed in terms of number and location among the three visiting teams.
2. Each section should have its own clearly identifiable tickets (separate color than home supporters, other visiting supporters or walk-up tickets)
3. Visiting teams must notify the host institution in writing (via fax) of any of its ticket allotment it has not sold by:
• First- and second-round sites: Thursday, March 1, noon (local time of the host institution);
• Sectional sites: Thursday, March 8, noon (local time of the host institution);
• If the host is not notified by the visiting team by the prescribed times, the visiting team shall be financially accountable for its total ticket allotment.
4. The host institutions must notify the other visiting teams by 3 p.m. of that same day, of their opportunity to purchase additional tickets (the "returned" tickets must be equally distributed among the remaining teams, based on requests by the visiting teams).
Example 1:
Host Team A receives one-half of the available tickets. Visiting teams B, C, and D are given equal portions of the remaining tickets. Teams A, B and C use their entire allotment. Team D returns 300 tickets. If teams A, B and C want all the tickets they can get, then each will receive 100 additional tickets.
Example 2:
Host Team A receives one-half of the available tickets. Visiting teams B, C, and D are given equal portions of the remaining tickets. Teams A, B and C use their entire allotment. Team D returns 300 tickets. Teams A and B want all the tickets they can get, but team C requests only 50 additional tickets. Therefore, team C gets 50 of the 300 remaining tickets, and teams A and B are given equal portions of the remaining allotment (125 each).
5. The host must be notified by 3 p.m. (local time of the host) on the first day of competition of the additionally offered tickets that will not be used by the visiting teams.

Stevens Point Sectional Ticket Policy (http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/mbb/06-07/NCAAsectionaltickets.htm)

So, how does it work if they consider all games separate?  50/50?  If they don't sell their allotment, are they given to the other school in that specific game or split among the other three teams, the other playing in the game and the teams in the other game?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on March 05, 2007, 07:19:16 PM
I don't have an answer to this, as it's not specifically covered in the Handbook.  The Friday split session is an exception to the standard policy:
Quote from: Handbook page 35Tickets shall be for all sessions for a single day, unless the men's basketball committee approves a plan for split session tickets.
Because it's only considered an exceptional circumstance, the procedures for what to do in the event of the exception are not spelled out.

St. John Fisher is also holding a split session Friday.  Wooster, which plays JCU in the first game, has announced a pre-sale of 450 tickets.  Fisher's Varsity Gym has a capacity of 1200.  Putting these two seemingly unrelated numbers together, I'd guess that the tickets for the first "neutral-site" game are split 50/50, and Wooster has reserved its first 150 tickets for VIPs such as players' parents and Posting Up Hall of Famers faculty/staff etc.  But that doesn't seem quite fair to the visiting team in the second game (Brockport St. for us, Wash U. for you), who probably only receive 1/3 of the capacity (at Fisher, that's 400 tickets) with the home team reserving 2/3, so I'm not sure of the arrangement. 

What I am sure of it is that it ameliorates the "big crowd, small gym" problem Fisher is facing.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 07, 2007, 04:33:23 PM
As promised:

restaurants (http://www.wirestaurant.org/search/dining/results.cfm)

Off the top of my head:

I'm going to try not to name any franchises!
Guu's in downtown:  Great for burgers
The Final Score:  Sports bar and grill, serves food
Springville Wharf:  Must try the Cheesy Italian Fries
Hill Top Pub & Grill:  Great food, TVs, etc.  A common place for visiting teams' fans.
Bill's Pizza:  Downtown, eat in, take out or deliver (if you're hungary at the hotel after the game)
Topper's Pizza:  Delivery
The Wooden Chair:  Downtown, good for lunch on Saturday.
Sky Club Supper Club:  Great breakfast buffet (all you can eat)
Blueberry Muffin:  Nice little breakfast place
Olympic Restaurant:  breakfast


Oh yeah, go to Belt's for ice cream!  Seriously.

There is also the Point Brewery, not sure if they give tours on Saturdays.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 07, 2007, 04:57:09 PM
Compliments of Just Bill:  another Pointer poster.

A few others to supplement Old School...

The Sport Plate at SentryWorld:  Best Friday Fish Fry in town.
The Restaurant at SentryWorld:  Suit and tie. big bucks $$$
Pagliacci Taverna at SentryWorld:  Italian
Cranberry Creek:  Good sandwiches and dinners.
Red Mill Supper Club:  Fine dining, dinner only.
Michelle's:  Supper club located a block from Quandt.
Silver Coach:  Another semi-fancy place in a restored train car.
El Mezcal:  Good Mexican food.
Grazie's:  Pasta and Pizza.
Ella's: Sandwiches and drinks 1 block from Quandt
Partner's Pub:  Bar of choice for many alumni. I've been sober there long enough to determine if they serve food.
Hibachi Joe's:  Japanese and Asian specialties

And I don't know what list OS gave you, but this one is better (it doesn't include the entire state): http://stevenspoint.areaconnect.com/restaurants/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 07, 2007, 06:49:29 PM
Stevens Point Sectional preview from the UWSP webpage...obviously 90% of it concerns the Point team.

Link HERE (http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/mbb/06-07/mbbmar5notes.pdf)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 10, 2007, 01:24:59 PM
I'm still depressed from last night and I'm still trying to realize that we're done for the season.  As diehardfan pointed out, it was amazing how any open shots Point missed.  It always seemed like sooner or later the shots would fall, we'd go on that amazing run and we'd pull out a victory.  I think I realized that we weren't going to win around the 6 minute mark and we were still down double digits.

Washington U gets lots of credit on the offensive end.  Of the three teams I was most afraid of, it was the Bears simply because they had a stud in the middle and they played our kind of patient offense.  We couldn't stop Ruths and their guards hit some pretty key shots in the game.  The Bears played a great game with patience and execution.  When they were up double digits, I was still hoping Point would make a run, but it would have to be offensively because Washington U just didn't look like a team that was going to fold under pressure and cough up the ball.  Kudos to them.

I'm not sure why Point played so bad.  Some credit goes to Washington U because there were a handful of times when Point didn't get an open look and at least once where the shot clock expired, BUT, we missed so many open jumpers, 3s that usually go in and just simple stuff like that.  Point forced the ball inside too much.  Yes, they should go inside and test Ruths, but sometimes I wondered why they threw it in when they did...lazy passes or what, but in the end, the better team won tonight.  I'm never happy when Point loses, but I would've liked to have seen Point make some shots and make it a game, but that run never came. 

The two games were complete opposites.  I wasn't impressed with Carroll or Hope as both seemed to run in full speed, turning the ball over seemingly every possession and launching a shot as quickly as possible.  I think Point wouldn't have had any problem with either team from the first game and that's why I think Washington U will win tonight.

I'll reluctantly probably attend tonight's game.  I think Washington U will pull it out with Ruths in the middle and solid guard play.

Interestingly, I want to congratulate Washington U on their 2nd place finish.  Every team that has beaten Point in the tourney has lost in the Final.

1997-Nebraska Wesleyan beat Point in the Elite 8 and lost in the Final
2000-Gustavus Adolphus beat Point in the 2nd round and lost in the Final
2003-Eau Claire beat Point in the Elite 8 and lost in the Final
2007-Washington U. beat Point in the Sweet 16 and...

Good luck to the Bears and I'll be cheering them on...I'm in the school of thought that you want to the team that beat you win it all since then it makes your loss look...[/i]not as bad [/i]!!! >:( :'(
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 10, 2007, 09:42:44 PM
Wash U knocks off Hope 58-55 to advance to the Final Four for the first time in program history!  The Bears will take on Virginia Wesleyan University next Friday.

The Wash U Men and Women have both advanced to the Final Four, making this the first time one school has sent both teams to the Final Four since UWSP in 2004.

Go Bears!

(Edited to fix incorrect score)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ole Ollie on March 10, 2007, 10:06:34 PM
Congrats to the Wash U men for making the FF for the first time.  This has to be considered a surprise.  Not any knock on the team, but while they have a great starting five, they have little depth and I wouldn't put them in the top five Wash U teams of all time, m aybe not even close to that.

No doubt that, this year at least, the UAA is the premier league in D-III with three of the eight finalists.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on March 10, 2007, 10:58:38 PM
Quote from: jagluski on March 10, 2007, 09:42:44 PM
Wash U knocks off Hope 57-52 to advance to the Final Four for the first time in program history!  The Bears will take on Virginia Wesleyan University next Friday.

Ooooohhhh  Noooooo!  Not a Wesleyan!  :o

Teams with a Wesleyan in their name have kept the Bears out of the Final Four, hopefully Virginia W. won't keep them out of the Final.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 10, 2007, 11:08:54 PM
58-55, actually.  :D  Ruths was a stud in the middle and Wallis was pure money.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on March 10, 2007, 11:14:17 PM
Big Congrats to Wash U.  two to go!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 11, 2007, 12:33:24 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 11, 2007, 10:09:09 AM
jagluski:

>>Maybe just to me, but it's amusing that the author of the article thinks Wash U is going to Steven's Point(who exactly is this Steven?) instead of Stevens Point.  At least for my alma mater's sake, Hayford is very compliamentary of Wash U's team as student-athletes.<<

What's more amusing, criticizing the misplaced apostrophe in Stevens Point, or misspelling complimentary in the very next sentence?

Fortunately, these things don't go unnoticed:   

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Pat Coleman
posted 3/05/07 @ 2:10 PM EST
No apostrophe in Stevens Point, to the headline writer.

What I found amusing was Old School's recommendation of a Mexican restaurant, El Mezcal, in Stevens Point, which received a 3-star Michelin rating: (http://chefmoz.org/United_States/WI/Stevens_Point/El_Mezcal1172254093.html) "My favorite resturaunt. you can get filled up for under 5 dollars at lunch." Especialidad de la casa: Bratwurst coció al vapor en cerveza y después asó a la parilla a la perfección, servida con el sauerkraut.

Mexican food: Wisconsin
Polar bear: Equatorial Guinea

OxyBob

Oops.  I knew that didn't look right.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 11, 2007, 01:11:25 PM
Compliments of Just Bill:  another Pointer poster.

And I don't know what list OS gave you, but this one is better (it doesn't include the entire state): http://stevenspoint.areaconnect.com/restaurants/


Quote from: OxyBob on March 11, 2007, 10:09:09 AM
What I found amusing was Old School's recommendation of a Mexican restaurant, El Mezcal, in Stevens Point, which received a 3-star Michelin rating: (http://chefmoz.org/United_States/WI/Stevens_Point/El_Mezcal1172254093.html) "My favorite resturaunt. you can get filled up for under 5 dollars at lunch." Especialidad de la casa: Bratwurst coció al vapor en cerveza y después asó a la parilla a la perfección, servida con el sauerkraut.

Mexican food: Wisconsin
Polar bear: Equatorial Guinea

OxyBob

In my defense, the link when I copied it was just of Stevens Point restuarants...and I didn't actually recommend the Mexican one, it was on the link.  So, when you clicked on the link, it went right to state restaurants, ummm.  My personal suggestions were underneath the link! lol.  I'm not responsible for that!  ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 12, 2007, 05:43:23 AM
Quote from: Ole Ollie on March 10, 2007, 10:06:34 PM
Congrats to the Wash U men for making the FF for the first time.  This has to be considered a surprise.  Not any knock on the team, but while they have a great starting five, they have little depth and I wouldn't put them in the top five Wash U teams of all time, m aybe not even close to that.

No doubt that, this year at least, the UAA is the premier league in D-III with three of the eight finalists.

That's very much in doubt, Ole. The UAA has some unique advantages when it comes to getting teams into the tournament. There aren't any other conferences in D3 that span five regions.

Yeah, you can combine men's and women's basketball and come up with a very favorable profile for the UAA, but let's not forget the fact that those are two completely different sports. You can most likely configure the results of any two sports to make your league look better, provided it's one of the top-tier all-sports leagues (which the UAA certainly is). F'rinstance, I would imagine that if you combined, say, squash and equestrian results, the NESCAC would come out ahead as "the premier league in D3". :D

Speaking strictly of the men's side of basketball, the unique distributional bias of UAA regional wins doesn't take anything at all away from what Wash U has accomplished this season, but let's not get carried away by pronouncing the UAA as the premier league in this sport. (Not that that's precisely what you did, of course.) I saw most of the UAA's teams this season, and while I think the circuit has really improved from top to bottom over the past two or three seasons and become a top-tier D3 league, I'd still take the CCIW on a team-by-team basis over the UAA. So would Mr. Massey.

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=6
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on March 12, 2007, 06:55:26 AM
It's a shame Mr. Massey still isn't playing. But, the Wash U Bears are. So speaking specificly about this year, the UAA rep from the midwest is the only team still playing. Plus, there aren't any bottom tier teams from any league that make the post season.

In the midwest region the UAA placed Wash U. and Chicago into the dance. CCIW just didn't have a second rep., although I do think there was a strong case for Elmhurst.

I'm sure if the field was at 64, instead of 59, Elmhurst probably would of garnered one of the last five spots.

If the yardstick being used is teams in the tournament. UAA has that this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 12, 2007, 07:09:48 AM
Quote from: fcnews on March 12, 2007, 06:55:26 AM
It's a shame Mr. Massey still isn't playing. But, the Wash U Bears are. So speaking specificly about this year, the UAA rep from the midwest is the only team still playing. Plus, there aren't any bottom tier teams from any league that make the post season.

In the midwest region the UAA placed Wash U. and Chicago into the dance. CCIW just didn't have a second rep., although I do think there was a strong case for Elmhurst.

I'm sure if the field was at 64, instead of 59, Elmhurst probably would of garnered one of the last five spots.

If the yardstick being used is teams in the tournament. UAA has that this year.

That's not a good yardstick, however. Is the ODAC the second-best league in the nation? I seriously doubt it. Yet the ODAC got three teams into the tourney. Is the Skyline better than either the WIAC or the CCIW? I doubt that even the most rabid Stevens or Manhattanville diehard would say that. Yet the Skyline had as many entrants in this year's field as did those traditional power conferences combined.

The CCIW had a 66-22 non-conference record this season. The MIAA had a losing overall record in non-conference play. The CCIW went 11-0 head-to-head against the MIAA, including sweeps by third-place Wheaton and fifth-place Carthage of the MIAA's Big Two, Hope and Calvin. And yet Hope and Calvin both made the tourney, while the CCIW only had automatic-bid entrant Augustana in the field.

You can't simply count up the number of teams that a league puts into the tourney field and gauge the relative worth of the league. It just doesn't work that way. Every qualifying league automatically gets a berth, and after that it's a matter of which teams best meet the five primary criteria -- which does not necessarily mean that the best at-large teams will make the field. The D3 men's basketball handbook all but admits that.

As for bottom-tier teams not making the field, it's generally accepted that the best way to measure the relative strength of a league is to measure it completely, from top to bottom.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: imderekpoe on March 12, 2007, 12:22:04 PM
I visited the 4 team websites this morning and compiled their stats into one file.

Its available here in Excel format
http://www.jtaswell.com/D3BB/2007_FinalFour_Stats.xls

And here in html
http://www.jtaswell.com/D3BB/2007_FinalFour_Stats.htm
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on March 12, 2007, 04:15:41 PM
OK Sager !!! Based on the five NCAA primary criteria's UAA is the premier leaugue this year. If you don't like the word premier, maybe we should use most successful.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: GP87 on March 12, 2007, 06:10:53 PM
If you go by entries and results in the tournament, the ODAC (as Sager said) would be the top (or 2nd best) conference in the nation.  No team from any other conference has beaten an ODAC team this tournamnet; Va. Wes. took out Hampden Sydney second round and then Guilford in the round of 16.  That, in terms of conference performance, is as good as you can possibly get for a conference centered in one region.  However, everyone here and in the ODAC knows that the conference is not yet the "premier" or best conference in the nation.  The case appears strong and speaks to the ODAC's ability but does not speak to the strength of the entire conference, top to bottom.  A conference resume includes far more than how many bids are recieved or even how good the top teams are; overall strength is what determines the best conferences.  The UAA has had a great year and tournament, just like the ODAC, but I wouldn't jump to any extravagant conclusions. 


Congrats to Wash U on the final four.  Good luck!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on March 12, 2007, 11:18:58 PM
Well said, sir !!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 13, 2007, 05:40:37 AM
Quote from: GP87 on March 12, 2007, 06:10:53 PMA conference resume includes far more than how many bids are recieved or even how good the top teams are; overall strength is what determines the best conferences.

Exactly!

How would I describe the UAA this postseason? Not as the premier conference, or even as the most successful (as GP87 pointed out, the ODAC is actually the most successful league in terms of tournament performance this March). Let's just say that the UAA is the best represented conference, and leave it at that.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on March 13, 2007, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 13, 2007, 05:40:37 AM
Quote from: GP87 on March 12, 2007, 06:10:53 PMA conference resume includes far more than how many bids are recieved or even how good the top teams are; overall strength is what determines the best conferences.

Exactly!

How would I describe the UAA this postseason? Not as the premier conference, or even as the most successful (as GP87 pointed out, the ODAC is actually the most successful league in terms of tournament performance this March). Let's just say that the UAA is the best represented conference, and leave it at that.

What's the consensus opinion on the Massey Ratings?:

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=6

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=1

The UAA isn't at the top on either, second on one, fourth on the other.


(  It's on the women's side where it's tops on both:

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=6

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=1 )
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2007, 01:43:03 PM
Consensus is that the Margin of Victory ones are the only ones worth looking at and the plain vanilla (BCS style) ones are useless.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: thx4playing on March 13, 2007, 01:49:22 PM
Streaming video for all four games this weekend in Salem:
http://all-access.cstv.com/cstv/player/player.html?code=cs (http://all-access.cstv.com/cstv/player/player.html?code=cs)


Go to the CSTV.com link above, click on men's basketball on the bottom of the page, then click on the image to enter (or vice versa).  Look on the right column for the game.  It's free, but you have to register...

The catch is you need to be a PC user with Internet Explorer 6 or 7.  Mac users are out of luck.

Most of the D-I March madness games can also be watched on the same player for free, now that CSTV is owned by CBS.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on March 13, 2007, 01:51:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2007, 01:43:03 PM
Consensus is that the Margin of Victory ones are the only ones worth looking at and the plain vanilla (BCS style) ones are useless.

Check.  I guess it depends on where your favorite conference is ranked whether you think even the MOV ranking is to be trusted.  ;)

BTW, does anybody know why the UChicago was paired with WashU and Case Western with Emory?  I finally did a comparison through Google Maps and while UChicago is 34 miles further from Case Western than it is from WashU, WashU is about 150 miles closer to Emory than Case Western is.

Also, Emory and WashU are rivals in more sports, but that's only developed over time.

Perhaps it has to do with plane routes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on March 13, 2007, 03:04:08 PM
thanks to thx4playing for giving us the site of the games two posts ago  -  I called it up and registered!!!!

question - on the site, the screen shuts off on the right hand and bottom sides, clearly not showing the whole screen   -  I can't get to the scroll bar, where it would likely allow me on Friday night to select the D3 games.  Yes, i minimized and stretched the screen, but it stops stretching before reaching the scroll bar.   Is it me, my computer, my internet version  (I have version 6)   ANYBODY???
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2007, 03:06:06 PM
I expect we'll have a more precise link on game day. We're providing the play by play and color for the semis and consolation game, so we'll have a lot of contact with them as we run up to tipoff.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on March 13, 2007, 03:45:19 PM
Quote from: hopefan on March 13, 2007, 03:04:08 PM
thanks to thx4playing for giving us the site of the games two posts ago  -  I called it up and registered!!!!

question - on the site, the screen shuts off on the right hand and bottom sides, clearly not showing the whole screen   -  I can't get to the scroll bar, where it would likely allow me on Friday night to select the D3 games.  Yes, i minimized and stretched the screen, but it stops stretching before reaching the scroll bar.   Is it me, my computer, my internet version  (I have version 6)   ANYBODY???

Try changing the resolution in your computer's Display Properties (under Settings).  If you increase the resolution you should be able to see the entire display.  My resolution is pretty high (1400x1050) but a resolution of 1024x768 should be sufficient.  If you are at maximum resolution for your computer try pressing F11 when you are in internet explorer (or going to View -> Full Screen), this will allow the internet page to fill your entire monitor so that you do not waste space with toolbars or borders.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on March 13, 2007, 04:19:50 PM
hugenerd  -  that did it for me  (changing the resolution)-  puts my mind at ease  -  thanks very much
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 13, 2007, 08:22:35 PM
Quote from: mark_reichert on March 13, 2007, 01:51:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2007, 01:43:03 PM
Consensus is that the Margin of Victory ones are the only ones worth looking at and the plain vanilla (BCS style) ones are useless.

Check.  I guess it depends on where your favorite conference is ranked whether you think even the MOV ranking is to be trusted.  ;)

BTW, does anybody know why the UChicago was paired with WashU and Case Western with Emory?  I finally did a comparison through Google Maps and while UChicago is 34 miles further from Case Western than it is from WashU, WashU is about 150 miles closer to Emory than Case Western is.

Also, Emory and WashU are rivals in more sports, but that's only developed over time.

Perhaps it has to do with plane routes.

That sounds logical to me. I'm just one fan, but I like the fact that Chicago and Wash U have been paired together, because it appears to me to have fostered the rivalry between the two. The Chicago students certainly seem a lot more geeked up when the Bears come to visit Ratner than they are for any other UAA school, although I'm sure Wash U's excellence in both genders on the hardwood has a lot to do with that. Chicago and St. Louis are natural rivals as cities (just ask any Cubs or Cardinals fan), and have been such since the mid-1800s.

There are still some people in the Windy City who insist that the flow of the Chicago River was reversed 100+ years ago not to preserve the city's drinking water in Lake Michigan but so that the city's offal might eventually find a proper home in St. Louis. :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 14, 2007, 01:05:30 PM
Article on Wash U Basketball in the USA Today.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2007-03-13-washington-university_N.htm
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on March 14, 2007, 01:19:30 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 13, 2007, 08:22:35 PM

That sounds logical to me. I'm just one fan, but I like the fact that Chicago and Wash U have been paired together, because it appears to me to have fostered the rivalry between the two. The Chicago students certainly seem a lot more geeked up when the Bears come to visit Ratner than they are for any other UAA school, although I'm sure Wash U's excellence in both genders on the hardwood has a lot to do with that. Chicago and St. Louis are natural rivals as cities (just ask any Cubs or Cardinals fan), and have been such since the mid-1800s.

Oh, you don't have to tell me about the Chicago - St. Louis rivalry.   I was just trying to find out if that was a criteria when they were pairing up the schools.  It would just have to be to create a 717 mile trip over a 564 mile trip, though both probably still require a weekend flight rather than bus ride.  Emory's so far from all the other schools no pairing was or is optimal.

Quote
There are still some people in the Windy City who insist that the flow of the Chicago River was reversed 100+ years ago not to preserve the city's drinking water in Lake Michigan but so that the city's offal might eventually find a proper home in St. Louis. :D

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  ::)  That overlooks the water we get from the Missouri and Meramac, and Peoria, Memphis and New Orleans among others getting the same offal.  But facts usually get in the way of a good joke.

I still remember a cartoon in which some big guy was going on and on about the accomplishments of Chicago and its sports teams and is reduced to tears when the small Cardinals fan says "1908".

I suppose the White Sox championship might have taken the edge off that for some.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 14, 2007, 01:40:11 PM
I don't know about Memphis or New Orleans, but to a Chicagoan, Peoria getting the same offal is an added bonus (at least for those few Chicagoans who have ever heard of Peoria)!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on March 14, 2007, 10:12:04 PM
Here is a link to Wooster's Final Four website (http://athletics.wooster.edu/mb/news/2006-07/final4/default.php).  Good luck to the Bears this weekend, and safe travels to all of you heading to Salem (or Springfield, for that matter!) 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on March 14, 2007, 10:13:08 PM
I finally got clearance to go to Salem!

So I'm driving down Thursday night/Friday morning.

I'm looking forward to meeting the D3Hoops.com crew this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2007, 10:44:51 PM
Awesome -- will be great to know you actually exist in real life and not just in databasemanagementland. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 15, 2007, 02:12:30 AM
Quote from: mark_reichert on March 14, 2007, 01:19:30 PMI still remember a cartoon in which some big guy was going on and on about the accomplishments of Chicago and its sports teams and is reduced to tears when the small Cardinals fan says "1908".

I suppose the White Sox championship might have taken the edge off that for some.

Not really, because the Chicagolanders who were pleased by the World Series title of the White Sox are not the same people who are bothered by sarcastic references to 1908. In fact, the Chicagolanders who wear black caps with "SOX" printed above the bill make sarcastic references to 1908 about as frequently as do Cardinals fans -- especially since the events of October 2005.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 14, 2007, 01:40:11 PM
I don't know about Memphis or New Orleans, but to a Chicagoan, Peoria getting the same offal is an added bonus (at least for those few Chicagoans who have ever heard of Peoria)!

Interesting that you happened to post that, Chuck, since this coming Friday and Saturday will be the only two days out of the year during which Chicagolanders ever notice that Peoria even exists. Yes, that's right ... it's Class AA tourney time here in Illinois.

While most of the rest of America's sports fans will be watching the D1 tourney this weekend, I'll be glued to my set watching Simeon, Thornton, Marshall, Lincoln, Stevenson, Rockford Boylan, Lockport, and O'Fallon duke it out in the Peoria Civic Center.

Go Wolverines and go Commandos!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on March 17, 2007, 04:01:04 PM
By the Way !!! Great season for the Wash U. Bear's. Congrats from your neighbor.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: diehardfan on March 17, 2007, 04:16:39 PM
Wow, after the last four games in the tournament, I am like totally in love with Wallis, Ruths, and Nading... do they want to transfer to Wheaton ;D ???

Serously, I love watching this team make plays and pass... they have tremendous talent and players that are 100 percent hustle and effort the entire time they're on the court.

There is nowhere to go but up for Wash U... their roster is sooooo young!!! I can't imagine anyone but them being in the preseason #1 slot. Great season guys... hopefully we'll get to see you in Salem again next year.... as long as it doesn't involve beating Wheaton! :D :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on March 17, 2007, 04:35:35 PM
nononononono diehard  -  they're staying right here in St Louis - and you can come here all next season and watch them with me and we'll munch on an oatmeal raisin thingy dingy or two. 

Great effort by Wash U last night - one or two "if onlys" tipped the scales in Va Wesleyans favor -, great win to complete the season on an upbeat today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2007, 09:28:04 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 17, 2007, 04:16:39 PM
Wow, after the last four games in the tournament, I am like totally in love with Wallis, Ruths, and Nading...


Oh no!  DHF has turned "valley girl" on us!  :o
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2007, 12:17:12 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2007, 09:28:04 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 17, 2007, 04:16:39 PM
Wow, after the last four games in the tournament, I am like totally in love with Wallis, Ruths, and Nading...


Oh no!  DHF has turned "valley girl" on us!  :o
Tyler Nading is listed on the Bears baseball roster, too. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 19, 2007, 02:19:01 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2007, 09:28:04 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 17, 2007, 04:16:39 PM
Wow, after the last four games in the tournament, I am like totally in love with Wallis, Ruths, and Nading...


Oh no!  DHF has turned "valley girl" on us!  :o

Gag her with a spoon! Fer sure, fer sure!

I mentioned that I'd be watching the Illinois AA tourney this weekend, and it looks as though Chicago has landed itself a pretty solid guard recruit in Stevenson's Jong Lee. His Patriots only finished fourth, but he certainly made a strong impression to everyone who watched their three games against Rockford Boylan, O'Fallon, and Marshall. "The Asian Sensation" should be a nice addition to the Maroons.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on March 19, 2007, 08:26:04 AM
Just a note for some of you who have only recently become familiar with Wash U -  They lost a starter, Danny O'Boyle, in the third or fourth game of the season.  Dan, who is currently a junior, is an outstanding perimeter shooter, and a little more aggressive with the ball than his replacement for the year, Aaron Thompson.   If Dan heals up, my assumption is that he returns to the starting lineup, with Thompson being a 2-3 man and Cam Smith playing even a larger role in the rotation.  Add in Zach Kelly, who looked good in getting more minutes than usual when Ruths ran into foul trouble.  Add that group to incumbents Ruths, Wallis and Nading, each of whom could acheive at an all region level or better, and potential for another run to Salem is clearly there.

St.Louis will really be kicking at the D3 level next year in another way  -  I really feel the SLIAC is on the rise too - Fontbonne, who gave Wash U a very good game for 35 minutes in the first round of the tournament, loses no starters, and should have Guard Cartez Parker back  -  Parker may have the ability to be the best player in the conference, but sat out most of the season (his frosh year), getting his academics in line.  Webster has key big men back, but needs to replace their point guard.  And MacMurray and Westminster also return most of their key individuals.  Believe me, these four teams will be able to compete next year at the next level (with the SCAC, the HCAC, lower CCIWs, the MWC teams that dot their schedule). 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on March 19, 2007, 11:20:21 AM
well put Hope.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: diehardfan on March 19, 2007, 02:02:08 PM
Quote from: hopefan on March 17, 2007, 04:35:35 PM
nononononono diehard  -  they're staying right here in St Louis - and you can come here all next season and watch them with me and we'll munch on an oatmeal raisin thingy dingy or two. 
I definitely can't come ALL next season (I do have a job ya know ;) ) but given that we're talking about me and my silly willingness to hop on a plane and travel anywhere for a d3 game, I wouldn't count once out of the realm of possibility. Besides, I assume I'll be seeing them in Salem again next year anyway.  ;)

Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2007, 09:28:04 PM
Oh no!  DHF has turned "valley girl" on us!  :o
I've been living out here in SoCal for a year and a half, it was only inevitable that they'd get to me eventually.  :D ::)

Seriously though? A coworker once described me has having roughly two brain levels: 1) essentially off, and 2) on to the point that it's scary. I have always been grateful that God made me brunette, because I come off as absent minded in my many "off" moments, rather than ditsy. Apparently you caught me an an "off" moment. :D But in the interest of full disclosure, saying "like totally" is nothing new for me. :-[

Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2007, 12:17:12 AM
Tyler Nading is listed on the Bears baseball roster, too. ;)
:D We need baseball players even more than tall basketball players!  :D :D :-X
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 19, 2007, 03:08:43 PM
Quote from: hopefan on March 19, 2007, 08:26:04 AM
Just a note for some of you who have only recently become familiar with Wash U -  They lost a starter, Danny O'Boyle, in the third or fourth game of the season.  Dan, who is currently a junior, is an outstanding perimeter shooter, and a little more aggressive with the ball than his replacement for the year, Aaron Thompson.   If Dan heals up, my assumption is that he returns to the starting lineup, with Thompson being a 2-3 man and Cam Smith playing even a larger role in the rotation.  Add in Zach Kelly, who looked good in getting more minutes than usual when Ruths ran into foul trouble.  Add that group to incumbents Ruths, Wallis and Nading, each of whom could acheive at an all region level or better, and potential for another run to Salem is clearly there.

St.Louis will really be kicking at the D3 level next year in another way  -  I really feel the SLIAC is on the rise too - Fontbonne, who gave Wash U a very good game for 35 minutes in the first round of the tournament, loses no starters, and should have Guard Cartez Parker back  -  Parker may have the ability to be the best player in the conference, but sat out most of the season (his frosh year), getting his academics in line.  Webster has key big men back, but needs to replace their point guard.  And MacMurray and Westminster also return most of their key individuals.  Believe me, these four teams will be able to compete next year at the next level (with the SCAC, the HCAC, lower CCIWs, the MWC teams that dot their schedule). 

A couple more notes:

1) I would bet next year's starting lineup is Wallis, Nading, Thompson, O'Boyle, Ruths

2) Wallis and Kelly were actually high school teammates

3) Not only were they high school teammates, but Wallis and Kelly were high school teammates of Duke's Jon Scheyer.  That's probably part of the reason Wallis is such a good passer.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on March 19, 2007, 03:52:31 PM
I agree Jagluski with your starting lineup, barring a freshman phenom, but is there enough strength on the boards with that lineup?   I would hate to see that strong offensive inside game and Wallis penetrate and dish game turn into a 3 point fest where on a night that O'Boyle and Thompson are cold, the Bears find themselves down quickly.  Of course Thompson is just a frosh and is likely to put a little more bulk on his frame.  Next year won't get here quick enogh.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 19, 2007, 05:49:55 PM
Quote from: hopefan on March 19, 2007, 03:52:31 PM
I agree Jagluski with your starting lineup, barring a freshman phenom, but is there enough strength on the boards with that lineup?   I would hate to see that strong offensive inside game and Wallis penetrate and dish game turn into a 3 point fest where on a night that O'Boyle and Thompson are cold, the Bears find themselves down quickly.  Of course Thompson is just a frosh and is likely to put a little more bulk on his frame.  Next year won't get here quick enogh.



Agreed, but Ruths is pretty dominant down low, at least to start.  Kelly/Smith could also start if they need to match up with a big lineup.

As for a 3 point fest when the team's cold, I don't know if you remember back 3-4 years ago when the starting 5 was Matt Tabash, Dustin Tylka, Joel Parrott, Chris Jeffries, and Jarriott Rook.  The first four, especially the first three, launched three's all game.  There's got to be box scores where Joel Parrott went 2-16 from three.  I remember games where he couldn't have thrown the ball into the ocean, but he kept shooting(which he should have, he was a great shooter when on).  More than any other team I've ever seen, that team lived and died by the 3.  At least there's tradition there...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 19, 2007, 06:19:44 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 19, 2007, 02:19:01 AM
"The Asian Sensation" should be a nice addition to the Maroons.

I'm not going to Chicago.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: diehardfan on March 19, 2007, 06:30:24 PM
Neither am I... ??? :D

Except possibly for their tipoff tournament. :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: diehardfan on March 19, 2007, 08:09:33 PM
This is a little belated, but in thinking of the good and bad examples of sportsmanship over the past season, Wash U has a great example of good sportsmanship that I wanted to share with the board.

After the elite eight was complete (which Wash U had won), the Hope seniors came out of the locker room one by one. The many Hope fans still there gave their seniors a standing ovation. Much to my pleasant surprise, the Wash U fans gave standing ovations to each of the Hope seniors as well. After a season where a lot of things sportsmanship wise have really disgusted me, the Wash U fans stand out as being enormously classy in my minds due to this and I just wanted to make sure that this good deed did not go unnoticed.

Thank you for making me smile guys. You certainly made a fan out of me. Good luck next year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on March 19, 2007, 10:51:04 PM
The Wash U. team members and fans all stood and applauded each of the Wooster players as they received their fourth-place awards on Saturday.  I thought that was nice.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 20, 2007, 03:27:01 AM
Quote from: jagluski on March 19, 2007, 03:08:43 PM3) Not only were they high school teammates, but Wallis and Kelly were high school teammates of Duke's Jon Scheyer.  That's probably part of the reason Wallis is such a good passer.

Don't know for sure whether this is true or not, but I remember hearing somewhere that Wallis and Kelly are cousins as well.

Wallis and Kelly are only two of the four teammates of Jon Scheyer at Glenbrook North who are now playing on the D3 level. Jonathan Radke was a key reserve for Case this past season (no pun intended ;)), while his fellow freshman Tyler Cullitan saw some limited action for Lawrence.

BTW, Wallis's hometown is mislabeled on the All-Region team. There is no such place as "Glenbrook". The school district that produced Wallis, Kelly, Scheyer, etc., encompasses the villages of Glenview and Northbrook in Chicago's north suburbs. There's two high schools in the district: Glenbrook North and Glenbrook South. Since Wallis attended Glenbrook North, my hunch is that his hometown is probably Northbrook, IL.

Other examples of these fused-name high schools in suburban Chicago are the three Glenbard schools: Glenbard East, Glenbard West, and Glenbard South. Like "Glenbrook", there's no such place in Illinois as "Glenbard". The school district that includes those three high schools serves the western suburbs of Glen Ellyn and Lombard.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 20, 2007, 03:38:51 AM
Quote from: Old School on March 19, 2007, 06:19:44 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 19, 2007, 02:19:01 AM
"The Asian Sensation" should be a nice addition to the Maroons.

I'm not going to Chicago.  ;)
Quote from: diehardfan on March 19, 2007, 06:30:24 PM
Neither am I... ??? :D

Except possibly for their tipoff tournament. :D

There's room for more than one sensational Asian in the D3 ranks, you know ... although April might feel slighted if a fellow Korean-American named Lee suddenly attains prominence on Posting Up for his basketball prowess. Hey, if I can live with Jason Sager of Eastern Mennonite being a constant source of chatter for the ODAC people, then you can learn to live with the UAA people talking about Jung Lee.  :D

Actually, if you follow the MIAC room at all, you'll know that that league's most notorious official (despised more for his preening than for his lack of refereeing ability) is called "the Asian Sensation" by that room's posters. One-Armed Scot's the one who dubbed him thus.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 20, 2007, 11:49:11 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 20, 2007, 03:27:01 AM
Quote from: jagluski on March 19, 2007, 03:08:43 PM3) Not only were they high school teammates, but Wallis and Kelly were high school teammates of Duke's Jon Scheyer.  That's probably part of the reason Wallis is such a good passer.

Don't know for sure whether this is true or not, but I remember hearing somewhere that Wallis and Kelly are cousins as well.

Wallis and Kelly are only two of the four teammates of Jon Scheyer at Glenbrook North who are now playing on the D3 level. Jonathan Radke was a key reserve for Case this past season (no pun intended ;)), while his fellow freshman Tyler Cullitan saw some limited action for Lawrence.

BTW, Wallis's hometown is mislabeled on the All-Region team. There is no such place as "Glenbrook". The school district that produced Wallis, Kelly, Scheyer, etc., encompasses the villages of Glenview and Northbrook in Chicago's north suburbs. There's two high schools in the district: Glenbrook North and Glenbrook South. Since Wallis attended Glenbrook North, my hunch is that his hometown is probably Northbrook, IL.

Other examples of these fused-name high schools in suburban Chicago are the three Glenbard schools: Glenbard East, Glenbard West, and Glenbard South. Like "Glenbrook", there's no such place in Illinois as "Glenbard". The school district that includes those three high schools serves the western suburbs of Glen Ellyn and Lombard.




You are correct...I believe they're third cousins, but I don't remember exactly.  They are cousins though.

You are also correct that Sean is from Northbrook.  I'm from Buffalo Grove(and my mom and her family) actually went to Glenbrook North, so seeing the whole Glenbrook, IL thing irritated me, but I kept quiet.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2007, 12:05:26 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 20, 2007, 03:27:01 AM
BTW, Wallis's hometown is mislabeled on the All-Region team. There is no such place as "Glenbrook".

Thanks. I can only put in what the school sends, however. I'm not a mind-reader and I am not a Chicagoland expert.

Either one of you could have e-mailed me, rather than being silently irritated or publicly nitpicking.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on March 20, 2007, 01:43:30 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 19, 2007, 10:51:04 PM
The Wash U. team members and fans all stood and applauded each of the Wooster players as they received their fourth-place awards on Saturday.  I thought that was nice.

It might help that we follow the tournament introduction style (alternating between each team) for every home game.  I think I read all the UAA basketball teams do as well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 20, 2007, 01:59:55 PM
Quote from: mark_reichert on March 20, 2007, 01:43:30 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 19, 2007, 10:51:04 PM
The Wash U. team members and fans all stood and applauded each of the Wooster players as they received their fourth-place awards on Saturday.  I thought that was nice.

It might help that we follow the tournament introduction style (alternating between each team) for every home game.  I think I read all the UAA basketball teams do as well.

I know a number of conferences have adopted that habit as well.  It's very much for the best.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 20, 2007, 04:54:49 PM
Quote from: jagluski on March 20, 2007, 11:49:11 AM
You are correct...I believe they're third cousins, but I don't remember exactly.  They are cousins though.

I've always wondered how this "cousin" thing works.  Obviously, my cousin is my dad's brother's kids (basically, my parents' siblings' kids)

I think my second cousin is my cousin's kid, right?  So third cousin would be my cousin's kid's kid? That would be my cousin's grandkid.

I've never understood that "first removed" stuff.  This is a very informative site, so any ideas?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2007, 05:23:43 PM
Removed is going up and down generations.

For example, if your cousin has children, those kids are your first cousins once removed.

If you have kids, then your kids and those kids are second cousins.

http://www.sonic.net/~fredd/cousins.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 20, 2007, 06:01:33 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2007, 12:05:26 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 20, 2007, 03:27:01 AM
BTW, Wallis's hometown is mislabeled on the All-Region team. There is no such place as "Glenbrook".

Thanks. I can only put in what the school sends, however. I'm not a mind-reader and I am not a Chicagoland expert.

Either one of you could have e-mailed me, rather than being silently irritated or publicly nitpicking.

Sorry...I wasn't trying to nitpick you.  I didn't read "all-region team".  I think it was also mislabeled on the official Final Four All-Tournament team site.  Maybe I had them confused.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 20, 2007, 06:33:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2007, 05:23:43 PM
Removed is going up and down generations.

For example, if your cousin has children, those kids are your first cousins once removed.

If you have kids, then your kids and those kids are second cousins.

http://www.sonic.net/~fredd/cousins.html
Shucks, down here in the South, they can be your step-brother and your uncle, too!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 20, 2007, 06:37:51 PM
Quote from: Old School on March 20, 2007, 04:54:49 PM
Quote from: jagluski on March 20, 2007, 11:49:11 AM
You are correct...I believe they're third cousins, but I don't remember exactly.  They are cousins though.

I've always wondered how this "cousin" thing works.  Obviously, my cousin is my dad's brother's kids (basically, my parents' siblings' kids)

I think my second cousin is my cousin's kid, right?  So third cousin would be my cousin's kid's kid? That would be my cousin's grandkid.

I've never understood that "first removed" stuff.  This is a very informative site, so any ideas?

Pat gave a very straight-forward explanation, especially of 'once removed', etc.  The way I prefer to explain first,second, etc., cousins is that (first) cousins share at least one (usually two) grandparents, second cousins have one (or two) great-grand parents in common, etc.

Unless of course you are a Jeff Foxworthy redneck, in which case it may be MUCH more complicated! ;D ;)  [Aw, I see now that Ralph already beat me to the punchline!]
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 20, 2007, 06:58:51 PM
As I was typing my original question, I kind of figured some kind of inbred reference would be mentioned! lol.

Thanks for the website link Pat...now I can try to explain it to all my friends!  ??? ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 20, 2007, 07:13:44 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 20, 2007, 07:04:19 PM
Ralph Turner:

>>Shucks, down here in the South, they can be your step-brother and your uncle, too!<<

The Alabama state legislature recently passed a law which says that if a married couple gets a divorce they are still brother and sister.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1388930/posts

OxyBob

QuoteTo: Hemingway's Ghost
Makes you think of the perfect country and western song.
"I was drunk the day my mom got out of prison...."


36 posted on 04/22/2005 6:04:45 AM PDT by Quilla
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"...Got runned over by the damned ol' train" :D

Oh, that is gooooood music!  ;)  -- Austin City Limits

The posts that follow that story on blog are some of the funniest that I have ever read.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 20, 2007, 07:14:47 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on March 20, 2007, 07:04:19 PM
Ralph Turner:

>>Shucks, down here in the South, they can be your step-brother and your uncle, too!<<

The Alabama state legislature recently passed a law which says that if a married couple gets a divorce they are still brother and sister.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1388930/posts

OxyBob

The officer had to twice tell the couple to stop

:D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 20, 2007, 07:20:20 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 20, 2007, 07:13:44 PM
The posts that follow that story on blog are some of the funniest that I have ever read.

Like this one......

This story has it all.

Rednecs
A trailer
Rednecks drinking
Redneck siblings knocking boots
Redneck siblings knocking boots even after an officer tells them to stop
A cancer diagnosis
This is, quite possibly, the greatest story of all time
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2007, 11:48:22 PM
Final seconds of the Wash U/Virginia Wesleyan game on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJywznZmfA
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 21, 2007, 04:18:05 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2007, 12:05:26 PMEither one of you could have e-mailed me, rather than being silently irritated or publicly nitpicking.

Where's the fun in that?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 23, 2007, 05:42:07 PM
Wrap up story on Wash.U. hoops in today's Student Life...http://media.www.studlife.com/media/storage/paper337/news/2007/03/23/Sports/Bears.Cap.Special.Season.With.First.Ever.Finar.Four.Appearance-2789170.shtml
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: diehardfan on March 23, 2007, 06:23:33 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 23, 2007, 05:42:07 PM
Wrap up story on Wash.U. hoops in today's Student Life...http://media.www.studlife.com/media/storage/paper337/news/2007/03/23/Sports/Bears.Cap.Special.Season.With.First.Ever.Finar.Four.Appearance-2789170.shtml

"But basketball isn't played over obscure Internet message boards, and the denizens of D3 basketball junkies who annually forecast the season often neglect to take into account the cliched but vital factors which ultimately propelled the Bears to a run at the title: an unmitigated passion for the game and high basketball I.Q., a rejuvenated student fan base, and loads of heart."

Owwww!!!  :D :P :-* ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2007, 09:10:52 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 23, 2007, 06:23:33 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 23, 2007, 05:42:07 PM
Wrap up story on Wash.U. hoops in today's Student Life...http://media.www.studlife.com/media/storage/paper337/news/2007/03/23/Sports/Bears.Cap.Special.Season.With.First.Ever.Finar.Four.Appearance-2789170.shtml

"But basketball isn't played over obscure Internet message boards, and the denizens of D3 basketball junkies who annually forecast the season often neglect to take into account the cliched but vital factors which ultimately propelled the Bears to a run at the title: an unmitigated passion for the game and high basketball I.Q., a rejuvenated student fan base, and loads of heart."

Owwww!!!  :D :P :-* ;)

QuoteBut basketball isn't played over obscure Internet message boards, and the denizens of D3 basketball junkies who annually forecast the season often neglect to take into account the cliched but vital factors which ultimately propelled the Bears to a run at the title: an unmitigated passion for the game and high basketball I.Q., a rejuvenated student fan base, and loads of heart. Throw in a trio of terrific first-years and the marked improvement of several returnees and one begins to understand the squad's rise to the zenith of the Division III basketball world.--Andrei Berman

Oh Andrei, thank you!

What a good laugh!
:)

Congratulations, Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: walzy31 on March 24, 2007, 07:04:22 PM
Drei Berman's writing kills it. The Bears are lucky to have someone so in tune to DIII basketball and the top conferences in the country.

Legend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on May 22, 2007, 12:04:29 PM
Had a nice chat with Wash U Coach Mark Edwards, and he let me in on what to look forward to with Wash U's recruiting class :

Spencer Gay , 6"7" Atlanta Georgia, 3/4 man, should help right away
I found this on the net from the Atlanta Next Factors Camp
"Rounding out the top ten players in the camp was Georgia big man Spencer Gay. The 6-foot-6 forward from Mill Creek High School in metro Atlanta went to work both inside and out. Gay is a solid rebounder that has a soft touch around the basket, a sturdy frame for grinding it out down low and a knack for scoring the ball. The big time student just begs to be recruited by the academia powers."  I also found a site indicating he had been named first Team All Region 5A


Kaleb Knepper  6'6" Newton Ill, 3rd team Class A all State, Outstanding 3 point shooter, strong enough to go inside -Transferred from Mt Carmel High School -  another potential immediate help

John Appel  6'9" San Ramone Monte Vista  (Oakland Ca)  Mobile good hands, good size

Brett Sapp  5'11"  Ashland Nebraska  Point Guard -  could be back up to sean Wallis - HM all state Nebraska  13.6 points, 4+ assists per game   -  attended Wash U's camp and impressed the staff in the past.

Mike Kranz - 6'0"  Pattonville, Mo    13ppg in extremely tough St Louis Suburban North conference  - 

Coach even let me know about the one who got away  Paul Eckerly 6'1" from Washington Missouri Borgia - a super player at the Class 3 level in Missouri 1st team All State, he apparently is going to St Louis U and either not play or walking on.  He would have made this a fantastic class for Wash U.


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: AndOne on May 22, 2007, 12:22:55 PM
Hopefan------

During the season, I heard that Dan Schouten, a 6'5" forward (17.3 ppg in the highly regarded West Suburban Conference) from Downers Grove (IL) South, who is going to Illinois Wesleyan, was considering Wash U.

Did you ever hear anything along those lines?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on May 22, 2007, 12:53:46 PM
And One   -  no - those were the only players he mentioned to me....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on May 29, 2007, 11:59:34 AM
I had mentioned the one that got away from Wash U, Paul Eckerle  -  St Louis U just put out a release on their site rgarding Paul, including the following:

"Sources told BillikenReport.com on Sunday that Eckerle, who will go to the school on an academic scholarship, will join the Billikens for the 2007-08 season.

Eckerle was offered a spot on the roster as a walk-on by former Billikens coach Brad Soderberg, but he declined. After speaking with new coach Rick Majerus a couple times this week, Eckerle changed his mind about playing.

A four-year varsity player, Eckerle ranked first in his class (out of 142 students) at St. Francis Borgia High School and was a second-team St. Louis Post-Dispatch all-metro selection as a senior.

The 6-foot-1 combo guard averaged 24.7 points per game while shooting 44.2 percent (69 of 156) from 3-point range and 81.9 percent (113 of 138) from the free throw line. "
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ole Ollie on May 29, 2007, 08:26:40 PM
Information on Brandeis recruits from elsewhere on this site:

6'3 swingman Beau Bonness will continue his career at Brandeis where his physical strength and ability to knock down shots from long range should allow him to challenge for playing time immediately.

Christian Yemga, a 6'7 small forward from Proctor Academy has committed to Brandeis University. The commitment is a significant one for Brandeis because Yemga is a scholarship level talent who still hasn't realized his full potential. The Cameroon native already has good ball skills for a player his size and is an excellent passer, especially in the open floor.

I also understand that attending Brandeis next year will be DePriest Ivey, a point guard from South Florida who was a McDonald's All American Game nominee (one of 50 in Florida) and 6'7" power forward Napoleon Lherrison from Tabor Academy in Braintree, Mass who was in the Brandeis TYP program last year.  Anyone else?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on May 30, 2007, 06:27:13 PM
Meehan must be a ridiculous recruiter.  If this class is as sick as it sounds on paper (Yemga is the highest rated Division III New England recruit, at least so far, and the other guys sound talented), that is three out of four years of stacked recruiting classes (rising sophs and rising seniors are also loaded).  I wouldn't think Brandeis to be an easy sell ... although a great school with a great facility, no real winning tradition, and the demographics of the school could pose a challenge as well.  Brandeis is absolutely stacked next year ... should give Wash U a run in UAA and Amherst a run in New England.   I see them as a pre-season top ten team, at least. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on May 31, 2007, 07:04:16 PM
Nescac1 wrote: and the demographics of the school could pose a challenge as well.

Look, I'm not about to accuse you of anything, but considering Brandeis is nationally known for its reputation as a strongly Jewish school, I'm awfully wary of the subtext behind your quote. I encourage you to correct me if I'm wrong, but to intimate that good athletes might not want to come to Brandeis because of its "demographics" at least loosely plays into trite stereotypes that have no place in a forum such as this one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ole Ollie on May 31, 2007, 11:13:34 PM
As a Jewish, Brandeis alum, I was not the least bit offended by the demographics reference.  The fact is that Brandeis is a Jewish sponsored, non sectarian University with a large (about half) Jewish student population.  There is no doubt that some Christian students would prefer not to go to a college at which they will be a minority, just like some Jewish students may not want to attend a Catholic or Evangelical college.  But back to basketball:

Meehan certainly is a heck of a recruiter, but I disagree that Brandeis is a hard sell--at least not now when a winning program has been established.  Strong academics, great facility, proximity to Boston, a coach that is a proven winner, a supportive administration, one of the best D III leagues in the country, a challenging schedule and first class travel to big cities around the country.  The program has a lot to offer a recruit.  And this is not the first time Brandeis has had a strong basketball program--it was the dominant DIII program in New England in the 70s and was also strong from the mid 80s - mid 90s.

As far as this year's recruits are concerned, they (the ones I know about) certainly seem strong on paper, but the game is not played on paper and I have no personal knowledge of any of them, so I'll have to reserve judgment until I see them play.

I agree Brandeis can give Wash U and Amherst a run for their money this year--Brandeis beat Wash U last season at Brandeis and lost close games at Wash U and Amherst.  This year the Brandeis-Amherst game should be at home.  And with no seniors on the roster last year, Brandeis should have a great returning group.  The weakness with Brandeis the last couple of years has been the lack of a big guy that can consistently score inside and rebound and defend at the other end of the court.  Whether that problem will be solved next season remains to be seen. On the other hand, there seem to be a lot less great big men in the UAA than was the case in the past.

Ollie
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 01, 2007, 10:35:48 AM

Especially for New England kids, playing in Red Auerbach Arena is a big sell right there, not to mention that it's a really good school.

The demographic argument does make sense on some level, just like it does for Wheaton (IL) or any of the Catholic schools.

I rarely think of Brandeis and immediately associate Jewish, but then again, I never put in the research that a prospective student would.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on June 01, 2007, 12:14:08 PM
Yeah, just to clarify, I am Jewish myself, and I don't think its stereotypical to say people tend to want to go to a place where they feel they'll fit in -- I would never have applied to Boston College or Notre Dame, certainly.  Brandeis is branded / known as the only majority Jewish undergrad in the country, outside of a place like Yeshiva.  And the sad fact is, there aren't a ton of big-time Jewish college basketball prospects out there.  Certainly, there are some, especially in NESCAC (Weitzen, Rudin, Black, Weisbrot, etc.), but not an enormous number.   Also, I'm not sure that Brandeis features tremendous racial diversity, although I could be wrong there.  That's all I meant to say.

But I do agree with the subsequent poster, who knows a lot more about Brandeis than I do, that the school has some definite drawing points.  I still think Meehan is impressive -- he brought great talent to Salem State, and in a totally different environment in every respect (Salem had a very transient population with JC kids, kids leaving the program, and a much lower academic bar than Brandeis), has brought even more talent into a Brandeis program that wasn't exactly on fire when he arrived.  No New England school, other than Amherst, has brought in more talent than Meehan over the past four years.  Not easy to have that kind of immediate success at two very different styles of programs and schools. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on June 14, 2007, 11:14:44 PM
y_jack_lok brought to our attention on the SLIAC board the press release on d3hoops about the Wash U men's incoming freshman:
http://d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=1370
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 15, 2007, 09:35:47 AM

That looks like a solid class to add to their already stellar line-up.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ole Ollie on June 26, 2007, 10:19:06 PM
Every year there are some players who fly below the radar in the recruiting process that none the less go on to tremendous college careers. Along those lines the New England Recruiting Report examines the 10 biggest recruiting steals in the class of 2007.

#5 Christian Yemga to Brandeis – When we traveled to Proctor Academy last fall we wrote that Christian Yemga was a low-major division I player, and we still believe that to be the case. 6'7 small forwards who can handle the ball in the open floor and see the court well enough to play some point forward usually are at a high premium. That's why we still can't understand why no one offered a scholarship to Yemga. What we do know for sure is that Brandeis is thrilled to have him. And why wouldn't they be...Do you know of any other division III program in the country that will have a 6'7 point forward?



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 27, 2007, 07:31:05 AM
Quote from: nescac1 on June 01, 2007, 12:14:08 PM
Yeah, just to clarify, I am Jewish myself, and I don't think its stereotypical to say people tend to want to go to a place where they feel they'll fit in -- I would never have applied to Boston College or Notre Dame, certainly.  Brandeis is branded / known as the only majority Jewish undergrad in the country, outside of a place like Yeshiva.  And the sad fact is, there aren't a ton of big-time Jewish college basketball prospects out there.

I immediately thought of this article (http://www.forward.com/article/these-kids-can-jump-boychik-team-wins-illinois-ti/) when I read this post.

Of those six Glenbrook North "boychiks":

Sean Wallis > Wash U
Zach Kelly > Wash U
Jon Radke > Case
Matt Gold > DePauw

Matt Shamis is now playing for Lehigh. And Jon Scheyer, aka "the Jewish Jordan", is of course a rising star for the Dookies.

Two other players who were subs on that state championship team of two years ago have also joined the D3 ranks as well: Tyler Cullitan (Lawrence), who just finished his freshman year and saw limited action for John Tharp's Larries in 2006-07, and Chris Stamas (Illinois Wesleyan), who will be a college freshman this coming season. Dunno if those two guys are Jewish as well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on July 05, 2007, 03:56:36 PM
early predictions:
1)Wash.U. (12-2)
2) Brandeis (11-3)
3) Rochester (11-3)
4) Emory (7-7)
5) Chicago (6-8)
6)NYU (5-9)
7) Carnegie (4-10)
8) Case (0-14)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on July 09, 2007, 12:19:19 PM
Finally some movement on this board!!!

Not too much disparity from Marty's post. The best in the UAA are teams that did not lose much. Wash U, Brandeis, and UofR could all win the conference.

1) Wash U. (13-1)
2) Brandeis (12-2)
3) Rochester (11-3)
4) Chicago (6-8)
5) NYU (4-10)
6) Emory (4-10)
7) Case (3-11)
8) Carnegie (3-11)

Sleeper picks to be above .500: Chicago, Case

WashU: They could go undefeated. Didn't really lose anyone except Nickitas really. And they are simply "that" good. The challenge for them came v. NYU (and Boone, Decorso, and Falcon graduated). I think the loss at Brandeis for them was a fluke. It was their worst game of the second half of the season and when Wallis and Nading fouled out, it was over. Ruths didn't get enough shots off, etc. Not having a solid backup point was the biggest deficit to this team. And O'Boyle should be back (not to mention the 3 recruits at point guard), so it'll get better and better for WashU. Game to watch: WashU at Rochester.

Brandeis: Their senior class is stacked: DeLuca and co. (Coppens, Graves, and Rexhepi). Great recruits coming, who Ole Ollie mentioned before; I think they can beat Wash U once so I gave them one; Rochester will beat them once at the Palestra. Game to watch: BU at Rochester.

UR: Onyiriuka can single handedly destroy teams. Lost Snider. Experience helps them and will be a huge factor; Im thinking loss to Brandeis 1x and loss to Wash U 2x, and loss to hmm Chicago maybe. Wash U and Rochester have the greatest home-court advantage. Could win the conference. They don't play as well on the road. Game to watch: UR at BU.

Chicago: Two heads of the three headed monster graduate; Hainje impresses me more than Federigos

NYU: This is just based on gut. Third best home-court advantage especially on Friday nights; however, I don't think they have enough to capitalize.

Emory: Coming off a 2-12 conference record, I don't think they are going to have a five game improvement. New coach also -- it'll take a little time for this team to get to the middle of this top-heavy conference. I don't know if Federigos can carry the load without Sosa. They'll have one surprise win though at least. But they even lost their senior night game at home last year to Case; Ill check their recruits again but I don't think they are getting that much better.

Case: hey you never know, and they were young last year and still won some. They return their top four leading scorers, Conrad (15.7 ppg), Young (14.2 ppg), Bradford (8.2 ppg), and Skuski (8.0 ppg). They will win a few. They were in several games last year (Senior Night v. Brandeis, Chicago 2x, Carnegie Mellon 2x); Could win as many as 6 or 7.

CMU: What a difference from 2006, wow. Is Greg Gonzalez coming back? (I wouldn't think so, but I figured I'd ask) Otherwise they need more size. Einwag has the talent to be 1st team UAA, but will CMU get enough wins? I hate putting them this low though.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on July 14, 2007, 11:41:12 AM
T.J. Shelton Named Assistant AD at Ohio State
Washington University in St. Louis assistant director of athletics T.J. Shelton has accepted the position of Assistant Athletics Director for Sports Administration at The Ohio State University in Columbus, Ohio. Shelton had just completed his 15th year at Washington University and eighth as an assistant AD.

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/releases/Shelton.html

Thats great for T.J. Shelton. He was an excellent asset to Wash U. and from my few interactions with him, he is definitely a great guy. He'll roll well with the big boys.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaapride on August 06, 2007, 04:00:38 PM
Are any UAA teams' schedules posted online yet?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on August 06, 2007, 05:18:57 PM
Quote from: uaapride on August 06, 2007, 04:00:38 PM
Are any UAA teams' schedules posted online yet?

Everyone except Brandeis and Rochester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on August 15, 2007, 10:21:24 AM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on July 09, 2007, 12:19:19 PM

CMU: What a difference from 2006, wow. Is Greg Gonzalez coming back? (I wouldn't think so, but I figured I'd ask) Otherwise they need more size.


Last I heard he is coming back, he has a year of eligibility and I think he is going to do a masters.  I havent spoken to anyone about it in a while though, so he may have changed his mind.

Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on July 09, 2007, 12:19:19 PM

Case: hey you never know, and they were young last year and still won some. They return their top four leading scorers, Conrad (15.7 ppg), Young (14.2 ppg), Bradford (8.2 ppg), and Skuski (8.0 ppg). They will win a few. They were in several games last year (Senior Night v. Brandeis, Chicago 2x, Carnegie Mellon 2x); Could win as many as 6 or 7.


I wouldnt be too optimistic about case.  They always seem to have some talent, but that tiny middle school sized gym they play in could suck the talent out of anyone.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on October 01, 2007, 10:33:52 AM
As we approach the official beginning of the season, has anyone heard anything about the incoming freshmen in the UAA?  It is such a wide spread conference it is hard to keep up with who is going where.  Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: All-around on October 04, 2007, 05:57:31 PM
Can anyone tell me where Jason Boone has landed after graduation?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on October 04, 2007, 06:50:03 PM
Quote from: All-around on October 04, 2007, 05:57:31 PM
Can anyone tell me where Jason Boone has landed after graduation?

Evidently, in Germany (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3959.msg756814#msg756814).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on October 13, 2007, 12:00:03 AM
So I am shocked it has not been brought up yet...perhaps Allen is busy with the soccer, vball and xc seasons, but 3 UAA schools are ranked in the sporting news preseason poll. Wash U #1, Brandeis #6, Rochester #9. Perhaps their may be some embelishment here with some of the rankings, but it still shows how strong the UAA is this year. I would not be surprised if there are 2 teams in the final four, not unlike the women last year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ole Ollie on October 13, 2007, 09:29:58 AM
ILive--

What is the story on Deluca?  Someone on the NESCAC board claimed he is injured and will miss the first semester.

Any other Brandeis news to report?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on October 13, 2007, 01:46:00 PM
Honestly I do not know the details, nor is it my place to share, but my understanding is that he will be ready come tip-off of the tip-off tournament
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 19, 2007, 09:35:57 AM
CWRU has posted this season's roster, as have most UAA teams.  Following on the success of football's recruiting CWRU has 12 recruits joining 11 veterans.  Their homes span from Florida to Idaho  Eleven are freshmen and the other a transfer from Wooster.  Seven were All State or All District selections.  Spartans could be a mystery team that might surprise.  But then they've got a long way to go.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on October 20, 2007, 04:18:15 PM
a 23 man roster?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on October 20, 2007, 10:29:02 PM
Well, WashU shows 22. Six of them are freshmen, 2 are sophomores who didn't play varsity, and 14 are returnees with some varsity experience.

20 players had minutes for WashU last year.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on October 21, 2007, 01:38:11 AM
I think that might be my one complaint about d3, is the no cap to the roster. I mean division one program are capped at 12, there are obviously other players recruited (non-scholarship) and walk on who are practice players and may earn a spot later, but only 12, the same 12 can ever play. 20+ is just outrageous to bring to a game, or to be able to mix and match which 15 you bring each weekend, is a bit unfair to the smaller schools that do not have even 12-15 players.

That being said, perhaps this is why the idea of div 4/div 3AA is being taken more and more serious by the ncaa legislators.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 21, 2007, 09:29:44 AM
See discussion of roster limits in General Football.

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4781.0

Are you sure the DI limit you describe isn't the scholarship limit not roster limit?

I notice Kentucky lists an 18 man roster.

I suspect four or five of those CWRU players won't be there by tip-off.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 21, 2007, 02:52:52 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on October 21, 2007, 01:38:11 AM
I think that might be my one complaint about d3, is the no cap to the roster. I mean division one program are capped at 12, there are obviously other players recruited (non-scholarship) and walk on who are practice players and may earn a spot later, but only 12, the same 12 can ever play. 20+ is just outrageous to bring to a game, or to be able to mix and match which 15 you bring each weekend, is a bit unfair to the smaller schools that do not have even 12-15 players.

That being said, perhaps this is why the idea of div 4/div 3AA is being taken more and more serious by the ncaa legislators.

Yeah, you are definitely mistaken about roster limits in Division I.

Some conferences in Division III mandate a limit for all games. Some mandate a limit for conference games. Some mandate the number than can travel. I think those things are appropriate to handle on a conference level and not nationally. There's no need for a national basketball roster limit.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on October 21, 2007, 04:37:24 PM
Does anyone know why Matthew Wilson is not on NYU's roster this year?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on October 21, 2007, 10:15:10 PM
i sit corrected, it is a scholarship limit, not a roster cap
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on October 23, 2007, 07:12:37 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on October 21, 2007, 04:37:24 PM
Does anyone know why Matthew Wilson is not on NYU's roster this year?

Matthew is now playing at American University
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on October 23, 2007, 08:02:45 PM
Quote from: dblock on October 23, 2007, 07:12:37 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on October 21, 2007, 04:37:24 PM
Does anyone know why Matthew Wilson is not on NYU's roster this year?

Matthew is now playing at American University

Thanks for the response.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on October 24, 2007, 03:11:11 PM
WashU plays Illinois Wesleyan Dec 8 but do you think we can get through a postseason without meeting a Wesleyan team?  They seem to be a jinx.  :)

Anybody know how Danny O'Boyle's recovery went?

Who's the best freshman?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on October 24, 2007, 04:17:38 PM
Quote from: mark_reichert on October 24, 2007, 03:11:11 PM
WashU plays Illinois Wesleyan Dec 8 but do you think we can get through a postseason without meeting a Wesleyan team?  They seem to be a jinx.  :)

It does appear the Bears have had some tournament troubles with the Wesleyans...

2007 - L, 67-65 to Virginia Wesleyan, national semis (Salem, VA)
2003 - L, 85-73 to Illinois Wesleyan, Round 2 (@ Wash U)
1996 - L, 73-61 to Illinois Wesleyan, Sectional final (@ Roanoke)
1995 - L, 90-65 to Illinois Wesleyan, Round 2 (@ IWU)


I can't comment on other Wesleyans, but I don't think Wash U will have to worry about the one in Bloomington, Illinois this year!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on October 24, 2007, 04:34:38 PM
You missed

1988 - L, 58-55 to Nebraska Wesleyan, national quarterfinals

a year when Ohio Wesleyan won the title.

Got caught up some.  Kranz apparantly was on the cross country and did well so his stamina should be good.

Here's some nice things said about Spencer Gay:

http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=550142
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on October 24, 2007, 05:31:37 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on July 09, 2007, 12:19:19 PM
Finally some movement on this board!!!

Not too much disparity from Marty's post. The best in the UAA are teams that did not lose much. Wash U, Brandeis, and UofR could all win the conference.

1) Wash U. (13-1)
2) Brandeis (12-2)
3) Rochester (11-3)
4) Chicago (6-8)
5) NYU (4-10)
6) Emory (4-10)
7) Case (3-11)
8) Carnegie (3-11)

Sleeper picks to be above .500: Chicago, Case

WashU: They could go undefeated. Didn't really lose anyone except Nickitas really. And they are simply "that" good. The challenge for them came v. NYU (and Boone, Decorso, and Falcon graduated). I think the loss at Brandeis for them was a fluke. It was their worst game of the second half of the season and when Wallis and Nading fouled out, it was over. Ruths didn't get enough shots off, etc. Not having a solid backup point was the biggest deficit to this team. And O'Boyle should be back (not to mention the 3 recruits at point guard), so it'll get better and better for WashU. Game to watch: WashU at Rochester.

Brandeis: Their senior class is stacked: DeLuca and co. (Coppens, Graves, and Rexhepi). Great recruits coming, who Ole Ollie mentioned before; I think they can beat Wash U once so I gave them one; Rochester will beat them once at the Palestra. Game to watch: BU at Rochester.

UR: Onyiriuka can single handedly destroy teams. Lost Snider. Experience helps them and will be a huge factor; Im thinking loss to Brandeis 1x and loss to Wash U 2x, and loss to hmm Chicago maybe. Wash U and Rochester have the greatest home-court advantage. Could win the conference. They don't play as well on the road. Game to watch: UR at BU.

Chicago: Two heads of the three headed monster graduate; Hainje impresses me more than Federigos

NYU: This is just based on gut. Third best home-court advantage especially on Friday nights; however, I don't think they have enough to capitalize.

Emory: Coming off a 2-12 conference record, I don't think they are going to have a five game improvement. New coach also -- it'll take a little time for this team to get to the middle of this top-heavy conference. I don't know if Federigos can carry the load without Sosa. They'll have one surprise win though at least. But they even lost their senior night game at home last year to Case; Ill check their recruits again but I don't think they are getting that much better.

Case: hey you never know, and they were young last year and still won some. They return their top four leading scorers, Conrad (15.7 ppg), Young (14.2 ppg), Bradford (8.2 ppg), and Skuski (8.0 ppg). They will win a few. They were in several games last year (Senior Night v. Brandeis, Chicago 2x, Carnegie Mellon 2x); Could win as many as 6 or 7.

CMU: What a difference from 2006, wow. Is Greg Gonzalez coming back? (I wouldn't think so, but I figured I'd ask) Otherwise they need more size. Einwag has the talent to be 1st team UAA, but will CMU get enough wins? I hate putting them this low though.


Greg Gonzalez will be back for one more season after redshirting last year. I look for good things from the Tartans this year they had a solid recruiting class with Matthew Pettit, F 6-6; Shane Rife, F 6-6;  Sam Huebner, F 6-6, Drew Cole, G 6-1. Add them to the mix with returners Geoff Kozak, Ryan Einwag, Jack Anderson, and Corey O'Rourke; good things could happen. We will have to wait and see.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerD3er on November 01, 2007, 11:45:41 PM
Wash U is #1 in D3 poll and every preseason poll

Rochester and Brandeis are both very highly ranked

Chicago is recieving votes

Great year ahead in the UAA.  I'm glad it's getting the recognition it deserves as one of the best (maybe the best) conference in the nation.  No other conference can give kids the type of experience they get from schools like Wash U, NYU, Rochester, Chicago, Brandeis, etc.  Hopefully the trophy is not far behind.

I must say I'm a bit surprised about the optimism towards Brandeis this season.  DeLuca is a nice player and they can be in games with anybody, but I can't see them doing as well as everyone thinks.  They didn't really ever seem to put an organzied game on the floor that you would expect to see from a top team.  Do they have a stud freshman?  Someone present their case for me. 

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on November 02, 2007, 12:26:22 AM
Lets go through the main points...

Last season they were 3rd in the UAA, beat Wash U at home, lost by 3? to the Bears on the Road, lost to Amherst at Amherst by roughly 10, one of the closest game the lord jeffs had all year. They return their WHOLE team, having no seniors last year, and bring it a solid recruiting class. Let me know if you need more.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 02, 2007, 05:35:38 AM
I saw Chicago scrimmage North Central in the Ratner Center this evening. Boy, talk about a 180-degree turn! Gone with Woodhead, Meyer, and Adams and the three-guard offense are the days when twenty-footers would come flying towards the basket like spitwads in a third-grade classroom with a substitute teacher. Tonight the Maroons featured two guards in the starting lineup: Jake Pancratz, who will be looking to set things up or create on the drive as much or more as he will be looking to shoot the trey; and Matt Corning, who's really not an outside shooter. The trey won't disappear entirely from Mike McGrath's arsenal, as Nate Hainje will throw it up early and often again this season. But it won't figure nearly as much into the Maroons' offense; last season they attempted almost 28 treys per game, and I'll be surprised if they average much more than half as many attempts per game this season.

Instead, it'll be a team built upon size. The front line will probably go 6'8, 6'7, and 6'5, and my guess is that McGrath will use up to six players in his rotation who are 6'5 or bigger. It'll be a team that's based upon layups and bunnies rather than long-range bombs. Look for the Maroons to place a heavy accent upon scoring in the low post, finding size mismatches, and utilizing their effectiveness on the offensive boards to make quick back cuts for easy layups.

They'll be a pretty decent team this year, but the 34 points in the d3hoops.com preseason poll are definitely excessive. Given everything that the Maroons lost from last year's team -- aside from Hainje there aren't any statistically significant returnees at all -- I have to wonder what exactly motivated the pollsters who included Chicago on their ballots.

Still, they'll be fun to watch. I always enjoy watching a coach try to build something new from scratch, or nearly from scratch. While the roster isn't exactly brimful of new faces, the look of the team itself will very definitely be new.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on November 04, 2007, 01:09:51 PM
Anyone going to the UR LeMoyne scrimage today?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on November 04, 2007, 01:13:03 PM
Also, being a newbie, I am having difficulty understanding the whole +- karma thing.  12 posts and -2 karma?  Am I losing style points or pissing someone off?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on November 04, 2007, 02:56:59 PM
The way karma works, is the only certain level people can give or take karma points (so as to prevent abuse and retaliation etc.) This usually means that someone is not happy with something you said or perhaps the way you said it. Hopefully the later, otherwise it would be an awful thought to be penalized for saying your opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on November 04, 2007, 03:07:43 PM
Aha....thanks
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 05, 2007, 08:33:49 AM
Welcome aboard Jacketfan2011.

I reviewed your posts and did not see anything objectionable.

Nevertheless,  you may have posted something that someone is just now reading.

Don't worry about, karma.  We are glad to have you.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on November 05, 2007, 09:03:55 AM
Thanks for the welcome, Ralph.  I'm pretty thick-skinned, but I do like to know the rules.  Just so I know when I'm breaking them :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on November 05, 2007, 10:32:16 AM
So lets get back on task, under two weeks to go till most teams have their first games via tip off tournaments/classics, who is going to steam roll their weekend competition and who is going to get run over?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on November 05, 2007, 11:26:05 AM
Anyone know what happened to the West Penn Classic?  CMU had played in that tournament the first weekend of the year ever since I can remember, but this year they are playing in Hopkins tourney.  Anyone know anything about this and possibly why they are no longer holding the West Penn?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on November 05, 2007, 01:32:21 PM
I do not know what happened to the tournament, but from a little googleing, It seems like all the normal participants are going to various tournaments in and out of PA
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 06, 2007, 03:14:35 AM
The Midway Classic should be a good one this year. On Saturday Chicago takes on Lake Forest (15-10 last season), while Ohio Wesleyan (18-10 last season) faces Trinity (TX) (16-12 last season). As usual, the consolation and championship games will take place on Sunday afternoon. Lake Forest is picked to finish third in the MWC this season, while Ohio Wesleyan is picked to finish second in the NCAC. I don't think that the SCAC has a poll, so I'm uncertain where that league's braintrust feels Trinity (TX) will end up in the standings.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on November 06, 2007, 12:53:32 PM
And of course Trinity coach Pat Cunningham was Mike McGrath's predecessor at the U of C and presided over the resurgence of Maroons men's hoops in the 90's.

Great to be back for another season on D3Hoops.  Go Maroons against Northwestern tomorrow night!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on November 06, 2007, 06:17:25 PM
There wil be a video webcast of tomorrow's (Wed Nov 7) Chicago-Northwestern game.  You can connect from  this page.  (http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/110607aab.html)

Northwestern does not say that they are playing a rebuilding D3 team - rather "it faces former Big Ten rival University of Chicago in an exhibition contest at Welsh-Ryan Arena."

Since it is listed as an exhibition, the game should not count in the UC/NU series - which the Maroons lead 29-28.  Chicago has losing records against all the other Big Ten Teams.  After dropping football in 1939, Chicago remained in the Big Ten until 1946 - piling up losses in other sports.  Chicago still has more Big Ten Basketball Championships (6) than Northwestern (2).

Michigan State joined the Big Ten in 1949 - bringing membership back to 10.  Penn State joined in 1990, giving the Big Ten 11 members.  I think if they get to 12, they will still call it the Big Ten.  Chicago is still a member of the Committee on Institutional Cooperation  (http://www.cic.uiuc.edu/), the academic adjunct of the Big Ten.  The CIC was one of the big reasons why Penn State joined the Big Ten.  The Notre Dame faculty desperately wanted to join the Big Ten to become a member of the CIC.  But the football team won that battle.  Chicago stays a part of the CIC partly for historical reasons but also because the CIC needs Chicago's resources.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on November 07, 2007, 06:47:46 AM
The West Penn Classic was done away with because there was not support from all of the participating coaches to continue the event. It was always a nice way to start the year and get a decent gauge on how the team was coming along. It's a shame that it was continued.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nobody on November 07, 2007, 01:28:28 PM
It will be interesting to see how the Maroons fair against Northwestern tonight, and throughout the season as well.  Rumor has it that the boys have been spending a lot of time in the weightroom...they might be a bulky bunch...hopefully they can throw it in the hoop too!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on November 07, 2007, 02:52:46 PM
From todays Chicago Tribune: (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-nuhoops07nov07,0,831269.story)


Wildcats need to learn on the run
Inexperienced NU can benefit from game with Chicago
By Neil Milbert

Tribune staff reporter

November 7, 2007

With the Big Ten schedule increasing to 18 from 16 games this season, Northwestern coach Bill Carmody secretly may be wishing the University of Chicago was back in the conference.

But the Maroons, whose basketball teams played in the Big Ten from 1896-1946, now are a member of the Division III University Athletic Association.

So, instead of being a game that will count on the Wildcats' record, Wednesday night's get-together with Chicago in Welsh-Ryan Arena is an exhibition.

Nevertheless, it's anything but a meaningless exhibition.

Carmody has lost one of the most talented all-around players in school history, Tim Doyle, to graduation and that loss was compounded by the decision of last season's top scorer and rebounder, Kevin Coble, to leave the team while his mother undergoes cancer treatment in Phoenix.

With games against tough non-conference opponents Stanford and DePaul launching the regular season next week, Carmody still is putting together the pieces of a personnel jigsaw puzzle and searching for players who can make an impact.

"Up front there are so many question marks," said Carmody, who doesn't have a player taller than 6 feet 8 inches on his roster. "And it seems we always have problems with rebounding.

"None of our [returning] guards -- Craig Moore, Sterling Williams, Jason Okrzesik and Jeremy Nash -- had great years last year (when the Wildcats were 13-18 overall and 2-14 in the Big Ten). I think they're so much better than they showed.

"We have four newcomers (redshirt freshman forward/center Nikola Baran, redshirt freshman forward Ivan Peljusic, freshman forward Mike Capocci and freshman guard Michael Thompson) and they all have to help. The question is: 'How quickly can they help?'"

Chicago coach Mike McGrath's team also is a work in progress. Senior Nate Hainje, who averaged 13.5 points, six rebounds and 3.5 assists, is the only starter returning from last season's team that was 20-6 overall and 11-3 in the UAA.


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 07, 2007, 03:26:43 PM
Last year Wheaton played Northwestern in a real game.  The Thunder led for a large chunk of the game and missed a shot at the buzzer that would have won it...Wheaton lost by 2. 

http://athletics.wheaton.edu/Sports/mbball/mbbstats/mwhe8.htm


Good luck to the Maroons this evening in trying to pull off the upset!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on November 07, 2007, 08:16:42 PM
16 minutes to go in the first half - Chicago leads Northwestern 8-7.

Announcers are idiots - said this is a big game for Chicago and that the Maroons would much rather beat NU than Wash U.  WRONG!!!!!!

Also said the Maroons would not see something as complicated as the Princeton offense in the UAA.  What condescending jerks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 07, 2007, 08:39:29 PM
Quote from: martin on November 07, 2007, 08:16:42 PM
16 minutes to go in the first half - Chicago leads Northwestern 8-7.

Announcers are idiots - said this is a big game for Chicago and that the Maroons would much rather beat NU than Wash U.  WRONG!!!!!!

Also said the Maroons would not see something as complicated as the Princeton offense in the UAA.  What condescending jerks.


Watching the stream.  These broadcasters are jack-sses.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on November 07, 2007, 09:00:25 PM
NU leads 42-34 at the half.  Maroons were up 14-12 with 14 minutes to go.  Five and a half minutes later, it was 31-16 NU.

Problem for Maroons - turnovers.  11 to 4 for NU.  I think the Marrons had at least 4 offensive fouls off the ball.

Nate Hainje, Matt Corning and Tom Watson all have 3 fouls.  Corning in only 8 minutes.  Watson took 10 minutes to get them.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on November 07, 2007, 09:09:34 PM
Maroons started Nate Hainje, Adam Machones and Tim Reynolds in the front court.  Reynolds moved well - seems to have recovered from knee surgery.  Backcourt is Matt Corning and Jake Pancratz.  First guys off the bench were guard John Bonelli, forward John Kinsella and center Tom Watson.

Maroons have been playing man to man defense.  If they really were intent on winning this game, they would play zone.  They have no one who can handle the quickness of Northwestern freshman guard Michael "Juice" Thompson. He is 5-10 and lightning quick.

Yahoo announcers had some more D3 insults - said that Wheaton and DePauw (whom NU has played in the past) were small and looked like high school teams.  Northwestern has a regular season game against D3 Benedictine on Nov 20.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on November 07, 2007, 10:21:00 PM
Final - Northwestern 84 Chicago 76

Chicago shot poorly to start the second half and NU led by as many as 19.  But the Maroons kept firing away and got back into the game.

Hainje had 21, Pancratz 18 and Corning 15.  Chicago had 15 turnovers to 7 for NU - which led to the disparity in shots, 63-44 for NU.  Chicago shot poorly from the line - 23-35.  So did NU, 15-25.  Boards were fairly even - 37-33 for NU.  NU had 14 offensive rebounds to 7 for Chicago.

Chicago clearly set the pace of the game.  Northwestern runs the Princeton offense and likes scores of 60-58.  Coach McGrath used the game to get the team ready for the season.  He took no special measures to play against Northwestern.  Chicago played its game and let the chips fall where they may.  I don't think this team will be quite the bombs away squad that the Maroons were last year.  Still, they were 11-29 from behind the arc.

Northwestern has the Medill School of Journalism with all sorts of media programs.  You would think they could get better announcers.  Many stupid condescending comments throughout the game.  One said that Chicago was treating this like an NCAA tournament game.  If they had an ounce of familiarity with D3 hoops. it was clear that McGrath was using this EXHIBITION game for its intended purpose - to get his team ready for the upcoming season.

NU may go 0 for the Big Ten this year.  Chicago was able to easily go inside on the Wildcats.  It may get ugly for Northwestern in the Big Ten campaign.

With some breaks, I can see Chicago going 10-4 in the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 07, 2007, 10:34:39 PM
Quote from: martin on November 07, 2007, 10:21:00 PM
Final - Northwestern 84 Chicago 76

Chicago shot poorly to start the second half and NU led by as many as 15.  But the Maroons kept firing away and got back into the game.

Hainje had 21, Pancratz 18 and Corning 15.  Chicago had 15 turnovers to 7 for NU - which led to the disparity in shots, 63-44 for NU.  Chicago shot poorly from the line - 23-35.  So did NU, 15-25.  Boards were fairly even - 37-33 for NU.  NU had 14 offensive rebounds to 7 for Chicago.

Chicago clearly set the pace of the game.  Northwestern runs the Princeton offense and likes scores of 60-58.  Coach McGrath used the game to get the team ready for the season.  He took no special measures to play against Northwestern.  Chicago played its game and let the chips fall where they may.  I don't think this team will be quite the bombs away squad that the Maroons were last year.  Still, they were 11-29 from behind the arc.

Northwestern has the Medill School of Journalism with all sorts of media programs.  You would think they could get better announcers.  Many stupid condescending comments throughout the game.  One said that Chicago was treating this like an NCAA tournament game.  If they had an ounce of familiarity with D3 hoops. it was clear that McGrath was using this EXHIBITION game for its intended purpose - to get his team ready for the upcoming season.

NU may go 0 for the Big Ten this year.  Chicago was able to easily go inside on the Wildcats.  It may get ugly for Northwestern in the Big Ten campaign.

With some breaks, I can see Chicago going 10-4 in the UAA.


Chicago played well in the final 10 minutes.  I think anyone who saw the game (either via stream as I did or in person) would come away with the impression that the Maroons are very well coached.  Mike McGrath always seems to get the most out of his talent.

The Maroons should be OK this year if the low post guys can provide some scoring.  They'll be fine from the perimeter.  As good as the UAA will be this year though, I don't see 10-4, Martin...maybe 8-6. 

Northwestern is going to have a longgggggggggggg year in the Big Ten. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on November 07, 2007, 11:00:18 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on November 07, 2007, 10:34:39 PM

The Maroons should be OK this year if the low post guys can provide some scoring.  They'll be fine from the perimeter.  As good as the UAA will be this year though, I don't see 10-4, Martin...maybe 8-6. 

Northwestern is going to have a longgggggggggggg year in the Big Ten. 

Q - In my comment I said with some breaks the Maroons could go 10-4.  It is a very qualified 10-4 - if a lot of things happen, I think it is possible.  Given the strength of the UAA, 8-6 is more likely.

With regards to NU, I think you can add about a thousand more g's to long in describing their upcoming season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on November 07, 2007, 11:53:04 PM
I think the best Chicago can hope for is 4th in the conference, behind WashU, Brandeis and Rochester.  I cant see them going undefeated against NYU, Emory, Case and CMU and then knocking off one of the other three teams twice.  8-6 may be more realistic, but they could just as easily go 6-8.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on November 07, 2007, 11:55:30 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on November 07, 2007, 10:34:39 PM
Northwestern is going to have a longgggggggggggg year in the Big Ten. 

Who knows, with Ohio State losing to Findlay.  Anything can happen. 

The Big 10 seems to be pretty down this year.  That said, Northwestern is usually at the bottom of the conference whether it is strong or not.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 08, 2007, 02:12:16 AM
Quote from: martin on November 07, 2007, 08:16:42 PM
16 minutes to go in the first half - Chicago leads Northwestern 8-7.

Announcers are idiots - said this is a big game for Chicago and that the Maroons would much rather beat NU than Wash U.  WRONG!!!!!!

Also said the Maroons would not see something as complicated as the Princeton offense in the UAA.  What condescending jerks.

Well, obviously the Maroons aren't up to the task of figuring out something as intricate and mentally taxing as the Princeton offense. I mean, it's not like University of Chicago students are known for their brainpower, or anything. ::)

I was watching NPU's scrimmage, so I didn't get a chance to hear the stream from this game. Was it Northwestern's usual WGN crew? If so, I'm astonished that Dave Eanet (WGN Radio's sports editor and a well-respected sportscaster around town) would be a party to all of those stupid comments. I would certainly hope that Dave Kaplan wasn't the color guy; I know that he's one of four analysts that rotate alongside Eanet at 'cats games. The other three members of the rotation are all former NU jocks, so their ignorance of D3 would be understandable. But Kaplan's a professional sportscaster and the host of WGN's SportsCentral ... love him or hate him if you're a Chicago sports radio listener, you know that he does his homework. And he's always honest about the Cubs, which is not an easy thing to do considering that WGN is the flagship station of the Cubs Radio Network.

Given Wheaton's near-miss at Welsh-Ryan Arena last season, it astonishes me that anyone from Northwestern could badmouth a D3 program. Let's face it, Wheaton wasn't a world-beater on the D3 stage last season (17-9 and no NCAA tourney bid). Five minutes of homework on this website would've told the NU broadcast crew everything that they needed to know about where Wheaton stood last season -- and where Chicago currently stands -- in the D3 universe.

Unfortunately, if this really was the normal WGN crew calling the game, their uninformed yahoo comments about D3 will probably be given some credence on the 20th. Benedictine is a young team that is not up to Chicago's standards this season, and I don't think that the Eagles are going to acquit themselves well against the Wildcats.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on November 08, 2007, 08:55:20 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 08, 2007, 02:12:16 AM
Was it Northwestern's usual WGN crew?

GS - This was an all student production for a webcast, no WGN involvement.  It was not broadcast on radio or on the Big Ten network, just on the internet.  One camera in the northeast corner of Welsh Ryan Arena and student announcers.  I believe that NU will be webcasting all its games that are not broadcast by someone.

Given NU's journalism programs - including broadcast - I thought they would have come up with something better than the pair they had for this game.  It was not just the condescending comments about D3, but anything NU did well was the result of great play while Chicago got lucky.  Also, the continued references to the Princeton offense - how intricate and complex it is.  I don't think it is such a hard offense - it is something you use to slow the game down when you don't have talent.

In a later comment, I noted that these announcers had said that size wise, Wheaton and DePauw looked like high school teams when they played NU.  After that, I really regretted that Wheaton did not beat NU last year.

I know most student broadcasters are terrible but they are usually amateurs, doing it for fun.  The NU guys are preparing for their careers.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on November 09, 2007, 01:32:07 AM
Preseason rankings are out:
Place/School                 Pts      2006-07 Record
1. Washington (7)        49        25-5 (11-3 UAA)
2. Brandeis (1)             40        20-6 11-3
    Rochester                40        20-7 (9-5)
4. Chicago                   30        18-8 (9-5)
5. Carnegie Mellon      25        12-13 (5-9)
6. NYU                         18        22-6 (8-6)
7. Case                       14         5-20 (1-13)
8. Emory                      8          8-17 (2-12)

Top 3 are as expected, CMU is surprisingly close to Chicago in points (they usually dont get much preseason respect, even in the years they did well they were ranked pretty low in the preseason). Rounding out the bottom are the usual suspects, Case and Emory.  NYU lost alot of players so they also find themselves near the bottom.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on November 09, 2007, 09:16:03 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on November 09, 2007, 01:32:07 AM
Preseason rankings are out:
Place/School                 Pts      2006-07 Record
1. Washington (7)        49        25-5 (11-3 UAA)
2. Brandeis (1)             40        20-6 11-3
    Rochester                40        20-7 (9-5)
4. Chicago                   30        18-8 (9-5)
5. Carnegie Mellon      25        12-13 (5-9)
6. NYU                         18        22-6 (8-6)
7. Case                       14         5-20 (1-13)
8. Emory                      8          8-17 (2-12)


You have the 2006-07 records wrong - right for the order of finish last year but that is not the same as the preseason poll.  BTQ - where did you find the poll?  It is not up on the UAA website yet.

                          UAA           Overall   

1   x-Washington   11   3      25   5
       x-Chicago                   11    3      20   6
3   Brandeis                    9   5      20   7
   Rochester                    9   5      18   8
5   NYU                    8   6      22   6
6   Carnegie Mellon    5   9      12   13
7   Emory                    2   12      8   17
8   Case                    1   13      5   20
                  
   x-UAA champions               

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on November 09, 2007, 12:18:59 PM
I copied it directly from the CMU website, www.cmu.edu/athletics , they must have had the errror in their article. 

http://www.cmu.edu/athletics/intercollegiate-sports/mens-teams/basketball/news/2008/uaapreseasonpoll.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on November 13, 2007, 06:36:38 PM
A great story in the St. Louis Post Dispatch on the relationship of Tyler Nading and Sean Wallis. Nice to see the number one team in the country getting some local press.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/othersports/story/CD0238EDB41EC5B3862573920018FD3A?OpenDocument

On a side note, Wash.U. will be tested early, as they will be forced to be on top of their game when they open up at the Calvin tournament this weekend. Anyone know anything about Calvin or Ohio Northern?


EDITED to correct hyperlink
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Bearssss on November 14, 2007, 02:31:36 AM
Ohio Northern went 19-7 last year and is returning 4 starters. Their point guard position was apparently up in the air this year, and Sean Wallis should be able to take advantage of that. Kyle Gehle is a real 3 point threat on the wing and could be a concern for the Bears if he gets hot early.

As for Calvin, they won their last 9 of 11 games, including a win at Aurora in the first round of the tourny. They went with a 3 guard lineup for the 2nd half of the 2006-2007 season and all 3 guards return. However, their front court may be weak as starting post players Eric DeVries and Josh Meckes have graduated as has key reserve Kyle Snoeyink. If the Bears play Calvin, I would expect a big game out of Troy Ruths. It would be shocking if Calvin could find a way to stop his D1 style inside game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 14, 2007, 03:54:42 AM
Quote from: Bearssss on November 14, 2007, 02:31:36 AMAs for Calvin, they won their last 9 of 11 games, including a win at Aurora in the first round of the tourny. They went with a 3 guard lineup for the 2nd half of the 2006-2007 season and all 3 guards return. However, their front court may be weak as starting post players Eric DeVries and Josh Meckes have graduated as has key reserve Kyle Snoeyink. If the Bears play Calvin, I would expect a big game out of Troy Ruths. It would be shocking if Calvin could find a way to stop his D1 style inside game.

Your preview of Calvin forgot to mention that the Knights have an excellent center in 6'8, 245 sophomore John Mantel. Ruths is not going to enjoy a leisurely stroll to a 20 and 10 against Mantel; he'll most definitely have to work for it. And Mantel can do plenty of damage of his own at the other end of the court.

Calvin's starting guards, Caleb Veldhouse and Derek Griffin, each averaged 15 ppg last season and are not to be taken lightly. And the Knights have a small forward who can absolutely torch the nets from downtown in sophomore Matt Veltema.

Wash U will have its hands full against Calvin if the two teams meet, particularly since the game would be on the Knights' home floor. The Bears will be the favorite in every game that they play this season, but that doesn't mean that they can afford to take a team of Calvin's caliber lightly.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on November 14, 2007, 08:15:08 PM
I think it is unrealistic for the number one team in college basketball at any level to be the absolute favorite in every single game they play. Playing a conference game on the road against another top 10 or especially a top 5 team, would probably be one instance where they are not the favorite. This is a very possible scenerio for them this year, as there are atleast 2 other teams in conference that will most likely be top 10 teams come UAA time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 15, 2007, 02:21:49 AM
Quote from: ILive4This on November 14, 2007, 08:15:08 PM
I think it is unrealistic for the number one team in college basketball at any level to be the absolute favorite in every single game they play. Playing a conference game on the road against another top 10 or especially a top 5 team, would probably be one instance where they are not the favorite. This is a very possible scenerio for them this year, as there are atleast 2 other teams in conference that will most likely be top 10 teams come UAA time.

I disagree with the words "will most likely" in that last sentence of yours. I would replace them with the words "could possibly". I would agree that a Top 5 team would be the favorite if it were to host the Bears (e.g., if Augustana was hosting Wash U on the 24th rather than the other way around), but I'd still pick the Bears as the favorite if they were on the road at any team below that Top 5 level.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Bearssss on November 15, 2007, 02:45:50 AM
WashU at Brandeis or Chicago is definitely a toss up...and i think WashU would be underdogs on the road. At home, i don't see the Bears losing (they didn't lose a home game all of last year), but you have to give the other UAA teams credit, especially on their home turf.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 15, 2007, 03:01:15 AM
Quote from: Bearssss on November 15, 2007, 02:45:50 AM
WashU at Brandeis or Chicago is definitely a toss up...and i think WashU would be underdogs on the road.

No. At Brandeis and Rochester, the Bears may be legitimate underdogs (we'll see where the teams are when they square off on Jan. 27 and Feb. 1, respectively). But in the Windy City, Wash U will definitely be favored to win.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on November 15, 2007, 08:53:48 AM
I say this with the preface that I am a Wash U fan, and a Hope fan  - 

Any team, including Wash U, coming into Western Michigan to play Calvin or Hope, will have their hands full.   Were it not for my happy marriage, I'd be traveling up to Grand Rapids tomorrow to see a couple of VERY good D3 games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on November 16, 2007, 11:31:32 PM
Any radio coverage for tomorrow's game between Wash.U. and Calvin?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 17, 2007, 12:32:46 AM
You can listen here.....

http://www.calvin.edu/sports/

(there will be a link to real audio within the page somewhere)

and get live stats here...

http://www.calvin.edu/scoreboard/


Should be an excellent early season D3 ball game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on November 17, 2007, 11:54:18 AM
Friday, Nov. 16

Calvin College Tip-Off Tournament
Washington 74, Ohio Northern University 58

Case Alumni Association Tip-Off Tournament (first round)
Case 88, Alma College 69

University of Rochester/Chuck Resler Tournament
Rochester 73, SUNY New Paltz 43

Johns Hopkins University Blue Jay Classic
First round:Johns Hopkins University 81, Carnegie Mellon 73
 
Saturday, Nov. 17

Calvin College Tip-Off Tournament
Championship: Washington vs. Calvin College

Case Alumni Association Tip-Off Tournament
Championship: Case vs. Earlham College

New York University Tip-Off Tournament (first round)
NYU vs. Framingham State College

Brandeis University Tip-Off Tournament
Brandeis vs. Kenyon College

University of Chicago/Midway Classic (first round)
Chicago vs. Lake Forest College

University of Rochester/Chuck Resler Tournament
Rochester vs. SUNY Oneonta

University of the South/Lon Varnell Classic
Emory vs. University of Texas-Tyler

Johns Hopkins University Blue Jay Classic
Consolation: Carnegie Mellon vs. New York City College of Technology

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on November 17, 2007, 07:15:37 PM
Down go the Bears!!

Calvin 87
Wash 82

Wash trailed 40-27 at the half.  Wallis, Nading, Kelly and Ruths all fouled out.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2007, 07:19:49 PM
Quote from: martin on November 17, 2007, 07:15:37 PM
Down go the Bears!!

Olivet  87
Wash 82

Wash trailed 40-27 at the half.  Wallis, Nading, Kelly and Ruths all fouled out.

That was Calvin (probably a legitimate top ten team) AT Calvin; if it had been Olivet, you would have serious reason for concern! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on November 17, 2007, 07:26:11 PM
Mr Ypsi - I spaced.  The post is now corrected.  It is easy to confuse all those dutch schools in western Michigan.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2007, 07:35:18 PM
Understandable - the WashU women played Olivet (winning by 30).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: JustAFan on November 17, 2007, 09:24:09 PM
Brandeis nips Kenyon 83-79 in the opening game of the Brandeis round-robin tip-off tournament. Both teams started off slowly, with Kenyon leading by one, 29-28, at the half on the heels of a 50% shooting effort. Brandeis got the hot hand in the second half, shooting 54%. The Judges had very balanced scoring from their first 9 players, with no starter scoring more than 14 points. Kenyon was led by Brian Yelvington with 21, followed by Dave Knapke and JT Knight with 13 each.

Tufts plays Bridgewater State in the second game tonight, and tomorrow Kenyon plays Tufts and Brandeis plays Bridgewater State. Brandeis and Tufts will play each other at Tufts next Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 17, 2007, 09:31:21 PM
Quote from: martin on November 17, 2007, 07:26:11 PM
Mr Ypsi - I spaced.  The post is now corrected.  It is easy to confuse all those dutch schools in western Michigan.

except Olivet is not dutch.

We'll let it slide. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on November 17, 2007, 10:46:50 PM
Quote from: JustAFan on November 17, 2007, 09:24:09 PM
Brandeis nips Kenyon 83-79 in the opening game of the Brandeis round-robin tip-off tournament.

Kenyon reports the score (http://athletics.kenyon.edu/x26007.xml) as 70-61 in favor of the Judges.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 18, 2007, 02:03:23 PM
Sorry that I couldn't be at Brandeis today for the game against Bridgewater State.  I am at Emmanuel right now, but I followed the last 5 minutes of the game on-line at their library through the new live stats feature that Brandeis just got this weekend.  (Okay Mr. Premo, you can let me have it-- but my friend Mr. Paul didn't want to drive to Brandeis today, and I didn't want to get up early and take a cab to the MBTA Red Line subway station just for a non-conference game.)

Final score today:  Brandeis 84, Bridgewater State 79 (according to the live stats.)

Some thoughts:

1.)  Something seems to be ailing Steve DeLuca.  He played off the bench in both games this weekend, and he only contributed 3 rebounds today.

2.)  Big performances today from Terrell Hollins (26 pts.), Joe Coppens (24 pts.) and Kevin Olson (15 pts.)

3.)  Even though Bridgewater State lost today, I wouldn't be surprised to see them win MASCAC this year and get the MASCAC's AQ to the NCAA tournament.  Bridgewater State could be right up there with Keene State and RI College in the Northeast region.

4.)  Combined with the win over a very good Kenyon Lords team last night, I think that Brandeis is off to a good start at 2-0.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on November 18, 2007, 03:36:58 PM
Deluca, only played 8 minutes, and I think the idea was to limit his playing time this weekend if possible to let him fully recover from a previously mentioned injury he sustained during the off-season. That being said Bridgewater St played two very strong games this weekend, making Tufts just look silly last night, and then holding an 11 pt lead at one point against a tough Brandeis squad (even without deluca).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on November 18, 2007, 05:47:19 PM
I just got back from watching SUNY-Geneseo beat NYU, 60-57, on a 25-foot buzzer-beater by Scott Morton. These two teams are pretty evenly matched and the game could have gone either way.

Morton, the Tip-Off Tournament MVP, led the Knights with 28 points. No one else scored in double digits for Geneseo. Charlie Parker was high man for NYU with 22 points. Keith Jensen was next with 15 and Mike Magee added 10.

This is the first time I remember NYU losing their season-opening tournament. I'm sure it's happened before, but it's not something that happens very often. The Violets lost a ton of talent from last year's team, and they will struggle this year. Parker, who came on last year as a junior, is going to have to carry the load this year. He played very well today but is going to need a lot more help if the Violets are going to be competitive in the UAA this year.

In the consolation game, RPI beat Framingham State, 78-76, in overtime. Sam Zullo paced the victors with 18 points, followed by Jeremy Bull with 16 and Mike Brion with 14. Framingham was led by Bill Carey with 20.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on November 18, 2007, 06:06:13 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on November 18, 2007, 02:03:23 PM
4.)  Combined with the win over a very good Kenyon Lords team last night, I think that Brandeis is off to a good start at 2-0.

"Very good" might be a bit of a stretch.  Kenyon did return virtually the whole team, including all 5 starters, and they had a tour of Italy which helped them prepare for the season, but this is a team that was 10-16 in a weak conference (NCAC) last season.  They should be a bit better this season, but they're still projected  (http://www.northcoast.org/bkbmediaday/bkbpolls0708.pdf)to finish in the middle of the conference, behind the likes of Ohio Wesleyan, Wabash, and Allegheny (as well as perennial powers Wooster and Wittenberg.)  They'll play hard and be in most games, but this is a game that a squad like Brandeis should win.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on November 18, 2007, 09:21:24 PM
Trinity (TX) downs Chicago 63-58 in the Midway Classic championship game at Ratner.

Matt Corning was, perhaps surprisingly, the Maroons' leading scorer in both games this weekend (19 points vs. Lake Forest, 17 vs. Trinity).

Not a good shooting game for the UC, which was 8-for-27 from downtown.  Even after graduating all of last year's three-guard monster, Chicago may depend heavily on the 3 again this season, as 46 of their 94 Midway Classic field-goal attempts were from beyond the arc.

I see it as somewhat encouraging, though, that Nate Hainje (2-10) and Jake Pancratz (1-8) shot poorly and Trinity was 8-12 from three-point range, yet Chicago was in this game until the end against a good Tigers team.

Congratulations to Trinity coach Pat Cunningham, who I believe is 7-1 in Midway Classic contests (3-1 with Chicago and 4-0 with Trinity, winning the event in 1998, 2003 and 2007).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on November 18, 2007, 11:20:46 PM
While I am not a huge fan of blaming officials for wins/loses, it did come up in the women's UAA thread. I just thought I would comment on the happenings of today's Brandeis/Bridgewater State game.

During the first half the Judges had a 2 man trap on a BSC player up against the sideline, right infront of the BSC bench and the scorers table. What happened next may be one of the funniest things I have seen, and the biggest example of a ref anticipating the call.

The whistle blew, not because of out of bounds or a 5 second violation, but because of a time out.

The BSC coach replied that he nor his player had called time out

In a gym that was extremely confused you could hear the ref say "MY BAD" however it was BSC ball as if a time out had been called, with out charging them with the time out

Unfortunatly the software used by live stats does not have a "MY BAD" button so I am not sure how it ultimatly went into the play by play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 19, 2007, 03:37:10 AM
Quote from: Hoop Dreams on November 18, 2007, 09:21:24 PMMatt Corning was, perhaps surprisingly, the Maroons' leading scorer in both games this weekend (19 points vs. Lake Forest, 17 vs. Trinity).

I'm not that surprised. I've always been a big Corning fan; he has a toughness and an intensity level that is rare to see, and he's pretty physically talented as well. Throughout the earlier years of his career he was a walking, talking floor burn -- I have a soft spot for guys who lay out for every single loose ball the way that he does. What he hasn't been throughout his career is healthy; if he can stay in one piece for Chicago for 25 games he could be a real asset at off-guard, especially now that he's looking to shoot more.

I thought that sophomore John Kinsella also looked good coming off of the bench. He might evolve into that additional scorer that I think this Chicago team needs pretty badly.

Quote from: Hoop Dreams on November 18, 2007, 09:21:24 PMI see it as somewhat encouraging, though, that Nate Hainje (2-10) and Jake Pancratz (1-8) shot poorly and Trinity was 8-12 from three-point range, yet Chicago was in this game until the end against a good Tigers team.

The Maroons were really more than just "in this game" -- they led it almost as much as did Trinity, and with four minutes to go the Tigers were only up by one. It was at that four-minute point, however, that the two teams diverged. The Tigers executed very efficiently, while the Maroons did a number of things wrong: They didn't fight through screens, they neglected to pick up dangerous Trinity PG B.J. Moon in transition, they threw a couple of ill-advised passes at the other end, and they tried wading through heavy traffic underneath to get off a couple of layups against the Trinity bigs that really weren't available to them.

There's no shame in losing to a team as good as Trinity; I peg the Tigers as a Top 40ish squad. But I'm sure that Mike McGrath will spend some time in practice talking to his players about the need to maintain focus at both ends of the floor at the end of a tight ballgame.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 24, 2007, 06:06:03 PM
Augustana beat Wash U, 66-60, this afternoon in the Webster Gorlok Classic. Augie held Troy Ruths to only seven points and two rebounds, although Bears fans can take solace in the fact that their team came back from a 19-point deficit to make it a single-possession game in the final minute before Augie FTs iced it.

Anyone from Wash U care to share why Sean Wallis didn't suit up for this game?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 24, 2007, 06:46:05 PM
Gregory - maybe Sean can tell us in his blog (which is a very good read)!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 24, 2007, 06:50:24 PM
According to a friend of mine who spoke w/Sean Wallis after the Wash U game today, Wallis said he has a broken tibia and torn ACL suffered in the game against Maryville on Nov 20th. Surgery on the ACL is scheduled for Tuesday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on November 24, 2007, 07:16:58 PM
I'm the friend Yjak referred to - had a lengthy duscussion with Sean, and that's the story  -  a real shame.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 24, 2007, 07:21:28 PM
If that is the case... that is really too bad. You never want to see someone injured - especially that severly. Wallis is a tough player to replace... but maybe he can return for two more seasons, instead of just one, after recovering from this!

Only my best wishes to him!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on November 24, 2007, 09:51:11 PM
Good grief!  He debuts in the Daily Dose and immediately tears his ACL?  Is this what the old Hoopsville Curse has morphed into?  Terrible shame.   :(
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 24, 2007, 10:00:02 PM
David, I would smite you if it would make a difference to your karma :)!

I certainly hope it isn't a curse!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on November 24, 2007, 10:04:20 PM
Given this news, any changes in people's view of the conference rankings?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on November 24, 2007, 10:04:39 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on November 24, 2007, 10:00:02 PM
David, I would smite you if it would make a difference to your karma :)!

I certainly hope it isn't a curse!

Hey, you should be glad The Curse, if it exists, seems to have left Hoopsville and is now Pat's problem--the Daily Dose Curse!  :)

Seriously, though, injuries are no laughing matter, and I hope Sean's recovery is swift and complete.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on November 24, 2007, 10:18:37 PM
Sean will be damn near impossible to replace. It's an incredibly unfortunate set of circumstances to be in for us die-hard Wash.U. fans, but more importantly for the team and for Sean. My heart really goes out to Sean; he lives for hoops and plays the game the right way. We certainly won't be near the same team without him; the hope now is that we can compensate at least quasi-capably in his absence.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2007, 02:23:04 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 24, 2007, 10:04:39 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on November 24, 2007, 10:00:02 PM
David, I would smite you if it would make a difference to your karma :)!

I certainly hope it isn't a curse!

Hey, you should be glad The Curse, if it exists, seems to have left Hoopsville and is now Pat's problem--the Daily Dose Curse!  :)

If so, you should hope it doesn't come for you next, Mr. Blogger.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 25, 2007, 08:37:28 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2007, 02:23:04 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 24, 2007, 10:04:39 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on November 24, 2007, 10:00:02 PM
David, I would smite you if it would make a difference to your karma :)!

I certainly hope it isn't a curse!

Hey, you should be glad The Curse, if it exists, seems to have left Hoopsville and is now Pat's problem--the Daily Dose Curse!  :)

If so, you should hope it doesn't come for you next, Mr. Blogger.

Well, if we hear that David has to 'retire' due to carpal tunnel, at least we know who to blame! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on November 25, 2007, 09:56:25 PM
Brandeis wins another close one today AT Tufts. They led the game by as much as nine in the first half, but then were down 6 with about 3 minutes left, and went on a huge 10-0 run to take a 4 pt lead. The game in my opinion was too close, but then again both teams were shooting lights out from the line, and over 50 % from the floor. Brandeis was out rebounded by a pretty sizeable margin, and I think this was the biggest problem, especially on the defensive glass, and Tufts was able to get a few easy putbacks. Overall with another strong performance from Hollins (21) and Graves Fulgham putting up a team high (23), they are showing that they can still win big games, including come from behind victories with out pre-season all-american DeLuca. Also of note, Rexhepi has been pretty quiet ever since the first game of the season. If he starts to come alive a bit more, I think we will see some large margins of victory for the Judges, even still without Deluca.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on November 25, 2007, 11:04:52 PM
Any word on when Deluca gets back?

Impressive win today for Wash.U. without Wallis. It proves very comforting to know that we are still a very good basketball team even without our All-American running the show. We will surely miss him a great deal, but don't sleep on WUSTL just yet. Our homecourt advantage will pay great dividends throughout the UAA season....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 26, 2007, 09:20:30 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on November 25, 2007, 11:04:52 PM
Any word on when Deluca gets back?

Impressive win today for Wash.U. without Wallis. It proves very comforting to know that we are still a very good basketball team even without our All-American running the show. We will surely miss him a great deal, but don't sleep on WUSTL just yet. Our homecourt advantage will pay great dividends throughout the UAA season....
Okay Marty, a question about WUSTL,

6-1 at home, 4-3 on the road; 6-1 in-region non-conference. 16-5 overall in the Midwest Region.

Does the OWP and OOWP from the UAA boost WUSTL to a Pool C bid?

Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on November 26, 2007, 01:05:23 PM
one thought for cautious optimism for Wash U fans was the improvement of some of the guards' stats from Saturday to Sunday with the loss of Sean Wallis

On Saturday, Wash U's 3 primary guards (O'Boyle, Thompson, and Sapp) combined for 15 turnovers and 7 assists, and Troy Ruths saw the ball enough to get only 7 shots.

On sunday, the same 3 had only 9 turnovers and 10 assists, and Ruth got 14 shots   -  with the added bonus of Danny O'boyle starting to find the mark from 3 point range.

Yes, I know, different opponents and defense, but it's a move in the right direction.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on November 27, 2007, 09:52:33 PM
Number 7 ranked Brandeis, advances to 5-0 after a 15 pt win over visiting Babson. Although the judges held a 21 pt advantage halfway through the first half, a combination of some "iffy catch up calls" and the Beavers waking up led to a closer game than many anticipated. A few telling stats from the game, Brandeis was once again out rebounded, this time by 1 board, by a team whose tallest player measured up at 6-6. Also of note Hollins was held to just 8 points and 3 rebounds, while the Judges through down a number of outside shots (at times because they were forced, and others it seemed like for the heck of it).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 28, 2007, 09:49:47 AM
To Ilive4this:

I know Babson is not a very good team, and I expected the Brandeis men to blow them out, but didn't Babson just hang tough against Trinity(CT)?  Trinity only beat Babson by 7 points.

Next up is Framingham State.  I expect Brandeis to win this one in a comfortable fashion, and it won't matter if Framingham's top player Jose Almodouvar plays this game or not.  NYU beat Framingham by 8 earlier this season, and NYU is nowhere near as good as they were last season.

When Brandeis plays Tufts next time, though:  If you have to play both the men's and women's games against Tufts on the same day, it cannot be on split sites with both games starting at or near the same time.  That is what Tufts is used to in their NESCAC games, but we don't play our UAA games this way.  It has to be either a doubleheader at the same site, or one game has to be held in the early afternoon and the other in the evening with time to travel in between games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on November 28, 2007, 10:19:49 AM
I am not so sure Framingham St will be a cake walk. This is part of the reason I would have felt more comfortable seeing a larger margin of victory last night against Babson. FSC just beat RIC who knocked Brandeis out of the tournament last year and as many know beat D1 Holy Cross earlier this season. Also of note it looks like it will be two undefeated teams playing this game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: old_hooper on November 28, 2007, 11:21:51 AM
We might add to Holy Cross team that has since gone on a 5-0 run in rather convincing fashion.  RIC's loss last night is probably the big story in the Northeast.  I would not take any team lightly that has just beaten them.  This will be a game to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on November 28, 2007, 11:45:40 AM
Another thing to note about last night's game against Babson, is for the first time (including the suffolk game), Brandeis took the lead from the tip off, holding the lead the entire game. Too many times in this short season they have gotten in a hole early, some bigger than others, which in a few cases (Tufts, BSC, Kenyon) resulted in fairly narrow victories. This quick start is going to need to occur again this weekend, and there can be no falling asleep around the 10 minute mark.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on November 28, 2007, 11:48:43 AM
WOW...how has no one brought up the fact that my last few posts have been in huge ignorance. Brandeis plays framingham state college this weekend, not fitchburg state. Fitchburg beat RIC this weekend, however Framingham lost to Williams by 4. Please disregard my last few posts and perhaps even the responses that resulted.

MY BAD!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on November 28, 2007, 02:07:04 PM
Chicago guard Matt Corning was named UAA Men's Basketball Athlete of the Week for his efforts in the DePauw tournament last weekend.  Quite an accomplishment, considering all the talent in this conference.

Corning has led the Maroons in scoring every game thus far, averaging 22.8 points while shooting 62% from the floor.  I also like that he's getting to the free-throw line a lot (26-32 FTA in 4 games).

Corning and the Maroons will have their hands full tonight in Wheaton against Kent Raymond and the Thunder.  Somebody besides Matt is going to have to step up and score some points for the Maroons to have a chance.  I am sure Wheaton will be looking for revenge after last year's loss at Ratner, during which they were the target of some persecution, er, heckling by the W-Heads.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 29, 2007, 03:59:55 AM
Quote from: Hoop Dreams on November 28, 2007, 02:07:04 PMCorning and the Maroons will have their hands full tonight in Wheaton against Kent Raymond and the Thunder.  Somebody besides Matt is going to have to step up and score some points for the Maroons to have a chance.  I am sure Wheaton will be looking for revenge after last year's loss at Ratner, during which they were the target of some persecution, er, heckling by the W-Heads.

I wasn't at that game, but I heard that it got so bad that Jake Pancratz's mom apologized on behalf of Chicago to the Wheaton fans after the game.

Wheaton beat Chicago tonight, 75-73, in spite of the fact that the Maroons came all the way back from a 19-point deficit in the last 12 minutes of the game to give themselves a chance to win or tie at the final buzzer. I have a writeup in CCIW Chat for those interested in more details. The most important aspect from a Chicago standpoint was that Nate Hainje was in street clothes. He twisted his knee in the DePauw game and will probably miss Saturday's home contest against Kalamazoo (he probably won't be needed in that one, as the Hornets are pretty poor).

To come within a hairsbreadth of beating a team as good as Wheaton on that team's home floor without the services of your star player says a lot for the Maroons.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on November 29, 2007, 10:15:25 AM
Is everyone in the UAA without their star player right now?

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on November 29, 2007, 12:57:32 PM
Chmielowiec has been out at UR, but it has allowed Dominiak to step up big time.  Should be interesting when he returns.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: eastcoast on November 29, 2007, 06:35:46 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on November 25, 2007, 11:04:52 PM
Any word on when Deluca gets back?

Impressive win today for Wash.U. without Wallis. It proves very comforting to know that we are still a very good basketball team even without our All-American running the show. We will surely miss him a great deal, but don't sleep on WUSTL just yet. Our homecourt advantage will pay great dividends throughout the UAA season....
Yeah,  like when that home court kicked in last year against Brandeis(31-39 freethrows for Wash. U.,  compared to 8-12 for Brandeis; 27 fouls on Brandeis and15 for Wash.U  and how about that beaut with NYU; Wash U. 38-45 from the line vs 8-12 for  NYU, while 5 players foul out for NYU including 3 senior starters who had to be well adjusted to UAA road games, and NYU loses by 1 in O.T. after having a 13 point lead late in the second half. Yeah, you should look forward to great dividends from your home court advantage.     


Edited to straighten out the quote formatting
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on November 29, 2007, 09:56:58 PM
Here they go again with the great St. Louis conspiracy nonsense.... I'm sure we went 14-0 at home because of referees. Is that how we won at Stevens Point also? NYU had arguably, man for man, the most talented team in the league last year and absolutely tanked. With Boone and co leading the team, the Violets could have been a top 10 team, but their lack of quality coaching and inability to execute in key spots doomed them; poor officiating had little, if anything to do with their disastrous collapse. And Brandeis was a great team...who lost to Rhode Island College. End of conversation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on December 01, 2007, 07:52:03 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on November 29, 2007, 09:56:58 PM
Here they go again with the great St. Louis conspiracy nonsense.... I'm sure we went 14-0 at home because of referees. Is that how we won at Stevens Point also? NYU had arguably, man for man, the most talented team in the league last year and absolutely tanked. With Boone and co leading the team, the Violets could have been a top 10 team, but their lack of quality coaching and inability to execute in key spots doomed them; poor officiating had little, if anything to do with their disastrous collapse. And Brandeis was a great team...who lost to Rhode Island College. End of conversation.

why don't you take a step back from your allegiances to Wash U and look at the facts?

NYU at WASH U-

Wash U goes 38-45 from the CHARITY stripe. Four NYU starters foul out.

Wash wins by 1 in an OT.

Wash U at NYU-

Wash goes 13-18 from the line. Zero NYU starters foul out, only player in foul trouble for NYU is Danny Falcon with 4.

Wash loses by 16.

Just a mere coincidence that this happens with Brandeis and Rochester also. I'm guessing that its just a random occurence that every team seems to play a 'Hack-A-Shaq' defense when they venture to Wash U.

Was Wash U a good team last year? Of course they were, did NYU not live up to their potential? obviously they didn't.

Is there a severe officiating problem when teams enter Wash's gym?

Why doesn't someone else answer that question?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 02, 2007, 01:47:09 AM

Just an observation because I've never been to a WASHU game to know for sure, but as someone who moved to the midwest from the Northeast, the refs in general tend to be quite different.

In the few midwest games I've been able to see the refs call the games really closely compared to their brethren in the East.  It's not usually a big deal because teams, on the whole, don't travel a lot.  However, in the UAA it becomes more of an issue as games are played across regions.

There may be no conspiracy, even if there is a difference in the way games are called.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on December 02, 2007, 02:09:14 AM
I have played at WashU 4 times and I am pretty sure they grow the refs up behind that glass case that overlooks the court.

Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 02, 2007, 01:47:09 AM

Just an observation because I've never been to a WASHU game to know for sure, but as someone who moved to the midwest from the Northeast, the refs in general tend to be quite different.

In the few midwest games I've been able to see the refs call the games really closely compared to their brethren in the East.  It's not usually a big deal because teams, on the whole, don't travel a lot.  However, in the UAA it becomes more of an issue as games are played across regions.

There may be no conspiracy, even if there is a difference in the way games are called.

Also, to refute this argument, in the game that NYU played at WashU last season, NYU only shot 12 free throws, while WashU shot 45 and WashU was +30 points at the FT line.  If Midwest refs call it close, you wouldnt expect it to be that much in favor of one team.   Also, NYU averaged less than 18 fouls per game for the whole season, but was called for 36 that game.  NYU also averaged less fouls per game than their opponents, yet was called for 20 more in that particular game. You would also eventually expect a team to adjust to the refs,  no team is dumb enough to continually foul until their 4 best players foul out of the game (WashU had 0 players foul out).

I am by no means an NYU fan, but I remember scratching my head about that game for while after it happened.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 02, 2007, 03:10:42 PM

I would expect it to be a wide disparity because the WashU players are used to the refs calling it close and play accordingly.  The teams from the East are used to a rougher game and play according to that assumption.

If the fouls were even, it would be an argument against this theory, but for it to work they would have to have a disparity.

The best way to test it would be to take two physical teams from the East and have them play a game in Iowa with local refs.  Then we would see how many fouls get called.

I'm not saying this is right, but it was the most obvious difference to me in moving out here.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 03, 2007, 12:17:25 AM
I think HF has it backwards. I think that the midwestern D3 game is much more physical than it is in the northeast, and that that's a substantial reason why the midwestern teams have historically fared better in tournament play. As a former upstate New Yorker, I know that the D3 teams that I've seen from my old stomping grounds haven't been nearly as engaged in the constant sumo-wrestling in the low post and the subtle, wink-of-an-eye hand-checking that goes on out here in Flyover, USA.

Quote from: hugenerd on December 02, 2007, 02:09:14 AM
I have played at WashU 4 times and I am pretty sure they grow the refs up behind that glass case that overlooks the court.

Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 02, 2007, 01:47:09 AM

Just an observation because I've never been to a WASHU game to know for sure, but as someone who moved to the midwest from the Northeast, the refs in general tend to be quite different.

In the few midwest games I've been able to see the refs call the games really closely compared to their brethren in the East.  It's not usually a big deal because teams, on the whole, don't travel a lot.  However, in the UAA it becomes more of an issue as games are played across regions.

There may be no conspiracy, even if there is a difference in the way games are called.

Also, to refute this argument, in the game that NYU played at WashU last season, NYU only shot 12 free throws, while WashU shot 45 and WashU was +30 points at the FT line.  If Midwest refs call it close, you wouldnt expect it to be that much in favor of one team.   Also, NYU averaged less than 18 fouls per game for the whole season, but was called for 36 that game.  NYU also averaged less fouls per game than their opponents, yet was called for 20 more in that particular game. You would also eventually expect a team to adjust to the refs,  no team is dumb enough to continually foul until their 4 best players foul out of the game (WashU had 0 players foul out).

I am by no means an NYU fan, but I remember scratching my head about that game for while after it happened.

Hugenerd makes an important point: It is incumbent upon out-of-state visitors dealing with unfamiliar refs to adjust their style of play to the manner in which those refs are calling the game. If the refs call a looser game than the visitors are used to seeing, then they should recognize that ASAP and start trying to push the envelope more in terms of physical play. If the refs call a tighter game than the visitors are used to seeing, then they should ease up on the contact. In basketball, you should not only adjust on the fly to the other team, you should adjust to the refs as well.

If anyone is really serious about this whole Wash U home-cooking theory, he should chart out the whole season for the Bears with regard to fouls, both for and against and both home and away. Actually, it'd probably be more legit if it was charted out over more than one season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2007, 12:33:06 AM
+1 Gregory!   :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: eastcoast on December 03, 2007, 12:24:41 PM
Gregory, it doesn't make sense to think that there is a home-cooking situation happening at Wash U. aside from the regular home court advantage that most teams enjoy. The UAA should be legitimate enough of a confererence  to monitor it's home and away basketball contests. What happened last season to Brandeis and NYU in St. Louis was way off the charts in regard to the refereeing.  If a similar disparity in fouls called, freethrow attempts and foul-outs to players happened in another conference; lets say the ACC for example, this would'nt have have so easily dismissed by basketball people. Imagine Duke going into Wake and shooting 12 freethrows compared to Wake's 45 and losing by 1 in O.T..those refs would have some explaining to do. As for you're other point about visiting teams recognizing how the game is being officiated, in regard to the NYU-WashU game last year it was stated before that NYU fielded a very experienced team where 3 of the 5 players who fouled out were seniors that played  significant minutes for NYU for 4 years,  and were all-conference players in some regard. You can't say that they just  weren't used to midwestern refs.  I think the UAA is a legit conference, great academic schools; there happened to be 2 isolated instances last year. For whatever reason,  the refereeing was embarrasing and I don't know how anyone can defend what happened.  Brandeis and NYU played tough road games against a quality WashU. team and instead of a satisfying win they were awarded a loss.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on December 03, 2007, 08:33:13 PM
Changing the course a bit, there is a strong possibility that the UAA which currently has 3 teams in the top 10, could have 3 in the top 5, come tomorrow. At the very least there may be the number 2,3 teams in the country assuming rochester and brandeis jump over the 2-5 teams who each lost this week.

This would make the meeting between Amherst and Brandeis a can't miss game, as without Deluca, it could still be a
1 v 3 meeting...same as last year except now its 1 and 3 in the country, not New England.

Just a thought...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on December 03, 2007, 08:33:52 PM
Quote from: eastcoast on December 03, 2007, 12:24:41 PM
Gregory, it doesn't make sense to think that there is a home-cooking situation happening at Wash U. aside from the regular home court advantage that most teams enjoy. The UAA should be legitimate enough of a confererence  to monitor it's home and away basketball contests. What happened last season to Brandeis and NYU in St. Louis was way off the charts in regard to the refereeing.  If a similar disparity in fouls called, freethrow attempts and foul-outs to players happened in another conference; lets say the ACC for example, this would'nt have have so easily dismissed by basketball people. Imagine Duke going into Wake and shooting 12 freethrows compared to Wake's 45 and losing by 1 in O.T..those refs would have some explaining to do. As for you're other point about visiting teams recognizing how the game is being officiated, in regard to the NYU-WashU game last year it was stated before that NYU fielded a very experienced team where 3 of the 5 players who fouled out were seniors that played  significant minutes for NYU for 4 years,  and were all-conference players in some regard. You can't say that they just  weren't used to midwestern refs.  I think the UAA is a legit conference, great academic schools; there happened to be 2 isolated instances last year. For whatever reason,  the refereeing was embarrasing and I don't know how anyone can defend what happened.  Brandeis and NYU played tough road games against a quality WashU. team and instead of a satisfying win they were awarded a loss.

we obviously saw what was going on with the refs. Coach Nesci told us over and over again to adjust to the refs, but we honestly couldn't do anything about it. The worst part was that we were getting beat up and we weren't getting a single call. If you don't think an inquiry was filed in regards to the refs, by not only NYU you are highly mistaken.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on December 03, 2007, 09:02:42 PM
I wonder if D-Block is Michael "I throw elbows in defenders faces and wear an arm sock because I think I'm Allen Iverson" DeCorso. Sounds like he's still frustrated that NYU underachieved more than any team in the country and failed to get an NCAA bid despite arguably having the most talent in the conference. I suspect there's a reason that their quick freshman guard transferred: he wanted to go somewhere with a coach who had a clue and a program who isn't still talking about a one point loss a year ago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on December 04, 2007, 12:16:12 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on December 03, 2007, 09:02:42 PM
I suspect there's a reason that their quick freshman guard transferred: he wanted to go somewhere with a coach who had a clue and a program who isn't still talking about a one point loss a year ago.

Maybe he just wanted to go D1?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on December 04, 2007, 12:32:39 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on December 03, 2007, 09:02:42 PM
I wonder if D-Block is Michael "I throw elbows in defenders faces and wear an arm sock because I think I'm Allen Iverson" DeCorso. Sounds like he's still frustrated that NYU underachieved more than any team in the country and failed to get an NCAA bid despite arguably having the most talent in the conference. I suspect there's a reason that their quick freshman guard transferred: he wanted to go somewhere with a coach who had a clue and a program who isn't still talking about a one point loss a year ago.

no i'm not Michael "I'm playing professionally in Europe while you are online badmouthing me" DeCorso.

First off i would like to congratulate on once again making a fool of yourself. Instead of admiting that Wash U gets a pretty sweet home court advantage, you continue to not make any points regardless of being presented with stats from not only myself, but Hugenerd, who has no allegiances to NYU. Maybe you should take a step back, revaluate your statements, grow up, and realize that you are wrong.

Oh and Mike wore a sleeve on his arm because he he hurt his bicep and needed a tension sleeve. Then he got used to playing with it, and didn't want to take it off. Any more ignorant statements you would like to make?

Oh and Matt Wilson? He couldn't afford NYU anymore and got some money from a D1 school. I don't know but I think a majority of players would choose to help out their parents financially, especially because he has a twin brother who was also attending NYU, and he got to go play at a D1 school.

Anything else Marty? Would you like to critique our warm-up routines? Maybe you would like to poke fun at Jess Mcantee for wearing a face mask last year. Maybe you'd like to get an investigation started to see if i put a hit out on Sean Wallis, maybe I was sooooo jealous and pissed that we didn't meet up to YOUR expectations for us.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on December 04, 2007, 02:36:39 AM
Point(s) taken, but lighten up guy. Mocking DeCorso for wearing the arm sock was a joke--relax. And congrats to him for playing professionally. I'm sure he takes great comfort in the fact that little old me is just an internet loser who is envious of his out-of-this-world basketball skills and that's why I go on D3hoops and viciously attack him. The only remotely ad hominem attack I made that would be of any consequence concerned what I believe was his somewhat dirty defensive style. If that's worth drawing a stink about, so be it; I stand by it.

My conjecturing about Wilson was not meant to denigrate his inability to afford NYU. I can completely understand his decision. That said, the broader point of the post was to note that NYU underachieved last year and that it is poorly coached. Wilson was a fine player and I retract the statement about why I had mistakenly assumed he would have left NYU.

What this exchange continues to make clear is that NYU is still upset with one game at Wash.U. last year and this frustration has clouded their fans' ability to step back and acknowledge the extent to which the Violets underachieved last season. So, let's make a deal. I'll admit that Wash.U. got away with one last year (though it's not as much of a conspiracy theory as you posit it to be) when NYU came to the Field House. Indeed, even if the officiating was a bit lopsided in our favor, you only lost by 1, so any bad call could turn the come. In acknowledging this, I'm asking you admit that your basketball team was consistently out-coached and that, no matter what happened against Wash.U., NYU simply did not live up to its potential. Once we agree, we can anxiously await the match-ups between that wait us this UAA season.

Oh and those expectations were not MINE alone. There was a consensus in the D3 community that NYU was a very good basketball team and their ability to beat Wash.U. by more than any other opponent proves that. So if they didn't underachieve, how did they manage to defeat a Final 4 club by a larger margin than any other team in the nation?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 04, 2007, 02:49:46 AM
Quote from: eastcoast on December 03, 2007, 12:24:41 PM
Gregory, it doesn't make sense to think that there is a home-cooking situation happening at Wash U. aside from the regular home court advantage that most teams enjoy. The UAA should be legitimate enough of a confererence  to monitor it's home and away basketball contests. What happened last season to Brandeis and NYU in St. Louis was way off the charts in regard to the refereeing.  If a similar disparity in fouls called, freethrow attempts and foul-outs to players happened in another conference; lets say the ACC for example, this would'nt have have so easily dismissed by basketball people. Imagine Duke going into Wake and shooting 12 freethrows compared to Wake's 45 and losing by 1 in O.T..those refs would have some explaining to do. As for you're other point about visiting teams recognizing how the game is being officiated, in regard to the NYU-WashU game last year it was stated before that NYU fielded a very experienced team where 3 of the 5 players who fouled out were seniors that played  significant minutes for NYU for 4 years,  and were all-conference players in some regard. You can't say that they just  weren't used to midwestern refs.  I think the UAA is a legit conference, great academic schools; there happened to be 2 isolated instances last year. For whatever reason,  the refereeing was embarrasing and I don't know how anyone can defend what happened.  Brandeis and NYU played tough road games against a quality WashU. team and instead of a satisfying win they were awarded a loss.

I'm not saying that there is a home-cooking situation at Wash U, and I'm not saying that there isn't. I'm agnostic on the issue. But I would warn anyone against tallying up all of the fouls in a game and then pointing at the officials as being somehow at fault if one team went to the FT line much more than did its opponent. Different styles lend themselves to different fouling outcomes; a team that's overly reliant upon jumpshots will go to the line much, much less than does a team that is dependent upon dribble penetration or a back-to-the-basket scorer, or both. Also, game situations -- a team that has the lead late in a game often gets a parade of players sent to the line because the other team is forced to foul on every possession by the leading team -- often dictate eventual foul disparity as well. Thus, I'm not sure that your ACC example has much validity without knowing the particulars.

All I'm saying is that anyone who is making the case that the Bears are the beneficiaries of home cooking really needs to make that case based upon more comprehensive data than one or two games.

As to the idea that the NYU @ Wash U game of last season (as well as the Brandeis @ Wash U game, if that's being cited as an ancillary case) are "isolated instances" ... well, not everyone is buying that argument. It seems as though more than one poster is insinuating that Bears-friendly reffing is a regular occurrence in St. Louis. F'rinstance, here's what dblock had to say about this matter tonight:

Quote from: dblock on December 04, 2007, 12:32:39 AMInstead of admiting that Wash U gets a pretty sweet home court advantage,

Note the present tense ("gets" rather than "got").

But, as I said, I have no opinion one way or the other about how the officials call the games at WU Field House. I'm simply asking that anyone who makes an accusation of home cooking do the research first. It's not an accusation that should be made lightly, so Wash U's accusers should marshal more compelling evidence to make their case if they believe that this was more than an isolated instance or instances.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on December 04, 2007, 10:15:06 AM
I agree with everything Greg says above, who (as usual) says it much more cogently and succintly than I ever could.  I'd add just one thing:
Quote from: dblock on December 03, 2007, 08:33:52 PMIf you don't think an inquiry was filed in regards to the refs, by not only NYU you are highly mistaken.
So, as far as we know, the league has been advised of these complaints, and presumably has looked into them.  What results, if any, have there been to this inquiry?  Have any referees been dismissed or sanctioned, to anyone's knowledge?  It seems to me that the best result that anyone can hope for in a situation like this is that someone in authority takes an official look into the matter.  As it appears that this has happened, maybe we can all let it go now.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on December 04, 2007, 10:53:08 AM
Agreed, I feel we can hold off on this until Wash U starts hosting UAA home games this year, and then we can all analyze the situation once again. Just a question, I know the disparity was found against NYU, Brandeis and Rochester, but any non east/northeast teams experience this issue?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: eastcoast on December 04, 2007, 02:39:24 PM
Couple of points then I'm movin on, NYU led WashU. for the entire contest, not totally sure but anyone can look it up,  but I think WashU's first lead came in O.T.So NYU would not be fouling to stop clock or parade WashU. to the line in order to play catch-up.  They had the lead,  also, NYU ran everything through Boone first, he was not a jump shooter and neither was Falcon, he played close to the basket, Decorso was the shooter but with a lead how much could he have been firing.The extraordinary amount of fouls called that day should have just been considered incidental contact that refs and players and coaches consider part of the game, after all this is college basketball.  How many college games last year had a similar stat line?  how many times did a college basketball team shoot 45 freethrows? Of all the games played last year how many times do you think a team was called for 30 fouls?  Not many I'll bet.  Do you think fans would want to watch competitive teams play basketball only to have refs continually stop play by calling "off the ball" fouls.   Good refs let the best players play and keep the game flowing. If all games were officiated with constant whistle blowing the game would stink.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on December 04, 2007, 06:08:33 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 04, 2007, 02:49:46 AM
Quote from: eastcoast on December 03, 2007, 12:24:41 PM
Gregory, it doesn't make sense to think that there is a home-cooking situation happening at Wash U. aside from the regular home court advantage that most teams enjoy. The UAA should be legitimate enough of a confererence  to monitor it's home and away basketball contests. What happened last season to Brandeis and NYU in St. Louis was way off the charts in regard to the refereeing.  If a similar disparity in fouls called, freethrow attempts and foul-outs to players happened in another conference; lets say the ACC for example, this would'nt have have so easily dismissed by basketball people. Imagine Duke going into Wake and shooting 12 freethrows compared to Wake's 45 and losing by 1 in O.T..those refs would have some explaining to do. As for you're other point about visiting teams recognizing how the game is being officiated, in regard to the NYU-WashU game last year it was stated before that NYU fielded a very experienced team where 3 of the 5 players who fouled out were seniors that played  significant minutes for NYU for 4 years,  and were all-conference players in some regard. You can't say that they just  weren't used to midwestern refs.  I think the UAA is a legit conference, great academic schools; there happened to be 2 isolated instances last year. For whatever reason,  the refereeing was embarrasing and I don't know how anyone can defend what happened.  Brandeis and NYU played tough road games against a quality WashU. team and instead of a satisfying win they were awarded a loss.

I'm not saying that there is a home-cooking situation at Wash U, and I'm not saying that there isn't. I'm agnostic on the issue. But I would warn anyone against tallying up all of the fouls in a game and then pointing at the officials as being somehow at fault if one team went to the FT line much more than did its opponent. Different styles lend themselves to different fouling outcomes; a team that's overly reliant upon jumpshots will go to the line much, much less than does a team that is dependent upon dribble penetration or a back-to-the-basket scorer, or both. Also, game situations -- a team that has the lead late in a game often gets a parade of players sent to the line because the other team is forced to foul on every possession by the leading team -- often dictate eventual foul disparity as well. Thus, I'm not sure that your ACC example has much validity without knowing the particulars.

All I'm saying is that anyone who is making the case that the Bears are the beneficiaries of home cooking really needs to make that case based upon more comprehensive data than one or two games.

As to the idea that the NYU @ Wash U game of last season (as well as the Brandeis @ Wash U game, if that's being cited as an ancillary case) are "isolated instances" ... well, not everyone is buying that argument. It seems as though more than one poster is insinuating that Bears-friendly reffing is a regular occurrence in St. Louis. F'rinstance, here's what dblock had to say about this matter tonight:

Quote from: dblock on December 04, 2007, 12:32:39 AMInstead of admiting that Wash U gets a pretty sweet home court advantage,

Note the present tense ("gets" rather than "got").

But, as I said, I have no opinion one way or the other about how the officials call the games at WU Field House. I'm simply asking that anyone who makes an accusation of home cooking do the research first. It's not an accusation that should be made lightly, so Wash U's accusers should marshal more compelling evidence to make their case if they believe that this was more than an isolated instance or instances.

I understand what you are saying, but, even if refs are biased, I dont think they are dumb enough to make calls in WashUs favor every game.  It seems like last year it was more of on a need to basis.  For example, in the NYU game, they needed alot of help and got it.  That may be one of the reason (by no means the major reason) that WashU went undefeated at home last year.  However, they have already lost a home game this year to Auggie, and even though they they were called for 5 less fouls and shot 8 more free throws while trailing the entire game (most of the time by a substantial amount), the calls did not seem to effect the outcome of the game.  Hopefully, they have remedied the problem  and this can be a mute subject the rest of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on December 04, 2007, 08:17:49 PM
Point of clarification...the Augustana game was played at a tournament at Webster College (about 15 minutes from the WU campus) and thus is not considered a home game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Bba11man on December 04, 2007, 08:21:52 PM
switchin up topics, the UAA overall has been really strong the last few years. the conference is much deeper than in the late 90's when Wash, Roch, and Chicago were runnin the show with all of their stellar big men. I still think good men are prevalent but I feel there are a lot good guards in the conference now as well as some talented power/small forwards besides just teams in general having better talent. Who have been some of the better players in the conference over the past 10 years? The main ones that come to mind are reich, hauben, maurer, perez, jefferies, fawcett, boone, etc. I realize I am missing a bunch of other players with well deserved praise, so I'm asking who else were major standouts? I'm almost interested in compiling a list or even the top 20 players in the last 10 years. if not the list, i'm simply interested in other names...for nostalgia's sake.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 04, 2007, 09:38:52 PM
Point of clarification: the Wash U - Augie game was played at Webster University (not College).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on December 04, 2007, 10:29:20 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on December 04, 2007, 08:17:49 PM
Point of clarification...the Augustana game was played at a tournament at Webster College (about 15 minutes from the WU campus) and thus is not considered a home game.

Quote from: y_jack_lok on December 04, 2007, 09:38:52 PM
Point of clarification: the Wash U - Augie game was played at Webster University (not College).

Thanks, my bad.  Still, I hope that the subject will be mute this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on December 04, 2007, 10:47:03 PM
Quote from: Bba11man on December 04, 2007, 08:21:52 PM
switchin up topics, the UAA overall has been really strong the last few years. the conference is much deeper than in the late 90's when Wash, Roch, and Chicago were runnin the show with all of their stellar big men. I still think good men are prevalent but I feel there are a lot good guards in the conference now as well as some talented power/small forwards besides just teams in general having better talent. Who have been some of the better players in the conference over the past 10 years? The main ones that come to mind are reich, hauben, maurer, perez, jefferies, fawcett, boone, etc. I realize I am missing a bunch of other players with well deserved praise, so I'm asking who else were major standouts? I'm almost interested in compiling a list or even the top 20 players in the last 10 years. if not the list, i'm simply interested in other names...for nostalgia's sake.

I would add Andy Larkin for UR over Gape Perez (but that is just my opinion), maybe Rashad Williams from Brandeis, Chris Alexander from Wash, and Carsen Oren put up big numbers for Case.

If I had to rank a top 10, it would be as follows:

1. Derek Reich, Chicago
2. Nate Maurer, CMU
3. Seth Hauben, UR
4. Chris Alexander, WU
5. Chase Fawcett, EU
6. Jared Jeffries, WU
7. Jason Boone, NYU
8. Andy Larkin, UR
9. Clayton Barlow-Wilcox, CMU
10t. Carsen Oren, CWRU
10t. Rashad Williams, BU

Given my list, I am sure I missed some deserving players from late 90s, but I was in high school at the time and dont remember their names.  However, I do have one representative from every team, except for now unaffiliated JHU, who may have had a worthy player before they left the league in 2001.  Troy Ruths, along with some other current players could also work themselves onto the list. 

I was also interested to see that there have only been 6 different players of the year in the last 9 years because Reich won it 4 times and Hauben won it twice (there were, however, 2 players of the year in 2006).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on December 05, 2007, 12:37:01 PM
Rochester at #2

Brandeis at #3

Wash U at #12

The UAA is killing it right now.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on December 05, 2007, 12:51:26 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 04, 2007, 10:47:03 PM
Quote from: Bba11man on December 04, 2007, 08:21:52 PM
switchin up topics, the UAA overall has been really strong the last few years. the conference is much deeper than in the late 90's when Wash, Roch, and Chicago were runnin the show with all of their stellar big men. I still think good men are prevalent but I feel there are a lot good guards in the conference now as well as some talented power/small forwards besides just teams in general having better talent. Who have been some of the better players in the conference over the past 10 years? The main ones that come to mind are reich, hauben, maurer, perez, jefferies, fawcett, boone, etc. I realize I am missing a bunch of other players with well deserved praise, so I'm asking who else were major standouts? I'm almost interested in compiling a list or even the top 20 players in the last 10 years. if not the list, i'm simply interested in other names...for nostalgia's sake.

I would add Andy Larkin for UR over Gape Perez (but that is just my opinion), maybe Rashad Williams from Brandeis, Chris Alexander from Wash, and Carsen Oren put up big numbers for Case.

If I had to rank a top 10, it would be as follows:

1. Derek Reich, Chicago
2. Nate Maurer, CMU
3. Seth Hauben, UR
4. Chris Alexander, WU
5. Chase Fawcett, EU
6. Jared Jeffries, WU
7. Jason Boone, NYU
8. Andy Larkin, UR
9. Clayton Barlow-Wilcox, CMU
10t. Carsen Oren, CWRU
10t. Rashad Williams, BU

Given my list, I am sure I missed some deserving players from late 90s, but I was in high school at the time and dont remember their names.  However, I do have one representative from every team, except for now unaffiliated JHU, who may have had a worthy player before they left the league in 2001.  Troy Ruths, along with some other current players could also work themselves onto the list. 

I was also interested to see that there have only been 6 different players of the year in the last 9 years because Reich won it 4 times and Hauben won it twice (there were, however, 2 players of the year in 2006).

Chris Jeffries.  Jared Jeffries played for Indiana.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hugenerd on December 05, 2007, 02:14:27 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on December 05, 2007, 12:51:26 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 04, 2007, 10:47:03 PM
Quote from: Bba11man on December 04, 2007, 08:21:52 PM
switchin up topics, the UAA overall has been really strong the last few years. the conference is much deeper than in the late 90's when Wash, Roch, and Chicago were runnin the show with all of their stellar big men. I still think good men are prevalent but I feel there are a lot good guards in the conference now as well as some talented power/small forwards besides just teams in general having better talent. Who have been some of the better players in the conference over the past 10 years? The main ones that come to mind are reich, hauben, maurer, perez, jefferies, fawcett, boone, etc. I realize I am missing a bunch of other players with well deserved praise, so I'm asking who else were major standouts? I'm almost interested in compiling a list or even the top 20 players in the last 10 years. if not the list, i'm simply interested in other names...for nostalgia's sake.


I would add Andy Larkin for UR over Gape Perez (but that is just my opinion), maybe Rashad Williams from Brandeis, Chris Alexander from Wash, and Carsen Oren put up big numbers for Case.

If I had to rank a top 10, it would be as follows:

1. Derek Reich, Chicago
2. Nate Maurer, CMU
3. Seth Hauben, UR
4. Chris Alexander, WU
5. Chase Fawcett, EU
6. Jared Jeffries, WU
7. Jason Boone, NYU
8. Andy Larkin, UR
9. Clayton Barlow-Wilcox, CMU
10t. Carsen Oren, CWRU
10t. Rashad Williams, BU

Given my list, I am sure I missed some deserving players from late 90s, but I was in high school at the time and dont remember their names.  However, I do have one representative from every team, except for now unaffiliated JHU, who may have had a worthy player before they left the league in 2001.  Troy Ruths, along with some other current players could also work themselves onto the list. 

I was also interested to see that there have only been 6 different players of the year in the last 9 years because Reich won it 4 times and Hauben won it twice (there were, however, 2 players of the year in 2006).

Chris Jeffries.  Jared Jeffries played for Indiana.

You are right, sorry.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on December 11, 2007, 01:50:32 AM
UAA 1-2 in this weeks poll.... all I can say is I cannot wait for the conference season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 11, 2007, 09:39:01 AM
And receiving 1 vote...CWRU!!!  While they are 7-2 (won only 5 games all last year) and have benefitted by the return of Brad Sutton as sixth man and two freshman guards, I still don't see them as more than a top-of-second division team.  Perhaps their best win was over Kenyon that took Capital to OT.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on December 16, 2007, 08:13:24 PM
So it has been a while since anyone posted in here, so I figured I'll get it going. What key injuries still exist in the UAA, heading into the conference season after the winter Break. Clearly Wallis is out for the season, and no firm answer on Deluca just yet, any others? At this point if we are to reevaluate the conference, how would everyone predict the end results. does Wash U still beat UR and Brandeis at home, or do both these teams sweep the Bears. Assuming UR goes unbeaten at the Palestra, do they take the sweep in Waltham, or do the top two teams split the conference. Any predictable upsets?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on December 16, 2007, 08:22:07 PM
I noticed the other night that UR's Chmeloweic didn't have any cast or tape of any kind on his hand so I would assume he is on track to return after the break.  And Juron is getting increased minutes as he recovers from a preseason knee injury. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 16, 2007, 10:48:20 PM
Tyler Nading did not play for Wash U yesterday against Coe. However, I don't think it's anything serious.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: roots10 on December 17, 2007, 01:14:35 AM
Nading has a sprained ankle. Not sure when he'll be back, but can't imagine it would be that long.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on December 17, 2007, 11:28:20 AM
Chicago has Nate Hainje back and notched their most impressive win of the season Saturday night, beating Illinois Wesleyan by 15 behind 25 pts / 7 reb / 6 ast from Hainje.  Chicago's 5-4 record includes a 5-point loss to 6-0 Trinity, a 5-point loss at 5-2 Loras and a 2-point loss at 7-1 Wheaton.  While clearly a notch behind the UAA's Big 3, I expect the Maroons will be competitive in nearly every game they play this season.

And Chicago's 4 losses are the most of any UAA team!  The conference has a combined 50-15 (.769) record in nonleague play, which should be beneficial come tournament time.  I'm looking forward to following the league this year.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on December 27, 2007, 11:17:50 AM
FYI, Wash. U. fans:

http://www.ilprepbullseye.com/page37.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on January 03, 2008, 12:15:06 PM
Would anybody be interested in a UAA pick 'em prediction contest for the conference season only?

First picks would be due by noon on January 12. 

If there is sufficient interest, I will try and set up a board for this.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: scottiedawg on January 03, 2008, 06:26:55 PM
I was trolling here, and noticed the Wash U fouls discussion.
Some quick numbers

18.4 fouls per game called ON WashU at WashU
18.2 fouls per game called ON WashU AWAY
18.4 FT's attempted by WashU opponents AT WashU
17.7 FT's attempted by WashU oppenents AT their home court (or neutral)

20.3 fouls per game called ON WashU opponents at WashU
19.2 fouls per game called ON WashU opponents AWAY
23.4 FT's attempted by WashU  AT WashU
22.6 FT's attempted by WashU  AT their opponent's court (or neutral)

1.9 More fouls called on WashU opponents AT WashU
1 more foul called on WashU opponents AT opponents home court

This is only the 2006-2007 Season.

The statistical differences are so small, I think you can throw any notions of home-cooked refs out the door.

One another note, WashU free throws are a point of distress for me as they victimized my Dutchmen in the Elite Eight last year by going 22-24 from the line. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 03, 2008, 07:49:22 PM
I would be interested in doing the pick 'em league
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sludge on January 06, 2008, 11:03:46 AM
After watching Guilford play Emory in Atlanta, I've got to say Emory is one real hustle team.  Great effort by those guys, always after the ball on D, always after the rebound.  They'll win a lot of games doing that!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 06, 2008, 11:34:51 AM
Emery is a great school, enjoyed visiting there a couple of years ago.

Anyone have an update on Steve Deluca of Brandeis?  Is he going to be back soon?

Thanks!

H
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 06, 2008, 01:28:10 PM
Check the game against Elms on Monday, if not playing then My guess is he will not play till Rochester although if "ready" perhaps he will dress for NYU. I am not sure how the situation has or has not improved over break, but I think the plan had always been to hopefully be ready for UAA play.

But...we shall see.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 06, 2008, 11:14:29 PM
Thanks!  Guess we'll see ... be nice to see the Judges operating on all cylinders in this best of years ....

H.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 06, 2008, 11:24:27 PM
You can say that again, I am crossing my fingers to see him in the line up for tomorrow night, even if he only plays a few minutes to get back into the swing of things.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on January 07, 2008, 01:45:58 PM
IL4T and others:

I have set up a UAA pick 'em board.  Drop by and make your predictions for opening weekend.  The more people competing, the better!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 07, 2008, 03:14:16 PM
Allen if you are here...any chance you will be at elms tonight and updating? It will be greatly appreciated with no radio, or live stats etc.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 07, 2008, 07:30:10 PM
UAA still doing well in the rankings.  Top 2 teams in the country (UR and BU), 3 in the top 7 (WU), and CMU has just moved into the top 30 in votes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 07, 2008, 07:41:30 PM
From a source at the game: Deis up 2 with five minutes to play in the first half.

Also in UAA play today: Wash.U. defeats Webster 74-60. Sophomore shooting guard/converted point guard since Wallis went down Aaron Thompson went for 18 points, TEN assists and ZERO turnovers. That's a line which bodes very well for the Bears come conference play. Also, the Bears tied a school record for consecutive wins at home with their 21st (might have actually been their 22nd, I'll have to check), 23rd if you count NCAA tournament games. They are still finding their identity as a basketball team, but do not count them out, particularly at home.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on January 08, 2008, 09:45:45 AM
UAA folks may not be familiar with this site, which covers D-III new england recruiting pretty well.  Article on Brandeis' recruiting class:

http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/281/Brandeis-Putting-Together-AllStar-Recruiting-Class.php

One caveat: this site can sometimes engage in a little bit of hyperbole when projecting the impact of players.  Last year they made Yemga seem like the second coming.  Nonetheless, the regional top-100 kid they highlight will probably be at least a rotation guy as a frosh and a key player down the road. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2008, 11:57:05 AM
I was at Elms for last night's game before a packed crowd of 231 in a gym that looked to be right out of the Hoosiers movie, even though the Maguire Center opened in 1994, according to the Elms brochures.   Thanks to Mr. Coppens for giving me a ride to and from the game.  Unfortunately, the building had no public computers nearby for giving updates on the game, and with the working water fountains just outside the gym, I had to leave the court a few times during timeouts just to "wet my whistle."

Last night's game felt like a roller coaster ride with a lot of Maalox moments throughout.  I'm glad that Brandeis was able to pull this one out over a very athletic Elms squad.   I just hope that Brandeis is able to come in to the game Saturday at NYU ready to play at their best.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on January 08, 2008, 12:09:10 PM
I notice Danny O'Boyle did not play for Wash U yesterday  ??  -   Sick, hurt, other?   Backcourt is huring if he's gone after already losing Sean Wallis....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2008, 12:35:32 PM
Sick, according to the game story. (http://www.d3hoops.com/game-releases/2008/Jan/07/Washington+U.-vs.-Webster/8s14yexuq158yxp1/23090)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on January 08, 2008, 12:44:14 PM
Thanks Pat  - 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on January 08, 2008, 06:31:05 PM
My wild guess as to how the UAA will look on Selection Sunday:

Wash U113 (automatic NCAA bid)
Brandeis104 (at-large NCAA bid)
Rochester104 (at-large NCAA bid)
Chicago86
CMU59
Case59
Emory410
NYU311
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 08, 2008, 07:49:58 PM
Hoop, while I value your opinion, I think it is a bit of a stretch to think that Wash U will win the auto bid. The are still finding themselves as a team, and have not had the dominating performances they usually have at home this year. However I concede a win is a win.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 09, 2008, 11:11:16 PM
Have you seen how Rochester has been destroying teams.  They have won all their games but one by double figures and are playing incredibly consistent. 

Like ILive4this said, WashU is still trying to figure out their identity (although they are definitely improving) but have struggled in some games this years and only beat 3-9 Babson by 2 points at home.  I think Brandeis has the same issue: consistency.  They have really been eeking out some of these wins versus lesser opponents and when it comes time for conference play, that isnt going to get it done, especially on the road. 

Every game on the road in the UAA is difficult because of the travel and only the teams that can play consistently will get double figure conference wins (only 2 teams, WashU and UC, did it last year and only one team, CMU, did it two years ago).  Because there are so many good teams this year, I think the conference champ may only have 10 wins, similar to two years ago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 10, 2008, 12:43:11 AM
I agree that Wash.U. is still finding its identity as a team (and I have said as much on this board a number of times), but looking at scores, especially this year, can be incredibly deceiving. It seems to me like D3 (particularly Wash.U's region) is wide open this year, with more parity than we've seen in a long time. A couple of instances of why scores can be so misleading...

Wash.U. only beat 3-9 Babson by 2 at home, as a previous poster pointed out. But one-time number 1 and defending national champ, Amherst, only beat Babson by 5 and put up just 60 points on the Beavers. Also, when Babson played Wash.U. their point guard went 10 for 13 including 5 for 6 on 3's, finishing with 32 in an epic performance. Those kinds of games happen.

Platteville CRUSHED 12th ranked Oshkosh tonight, yet Platteville lost by 11 to Wash.U. in what was just Wash.U's 2nd game without Wallis. Similarly in that game, a Wash.U. player (Tyler Nading) had a career night and finished with 31. If we were to only go with scores, Wash.U. would be 30 points better than Oshokosh and I'm quite certain that they're not.

Wash.U. barely got by Coe. If you had checked the box score, you'd realize that their leading scorer Nading was on the bench (in addition, of course, to Wallis) with an injury in that game.

Elms took Deis to overtime and Clark led Deis at the half.

Augustana has a few losses, so too does Stevens Points. Amherst has lost twice, so too has Wash.U. Wooster and VWU also eac have a pair of L's next to their name.

Conversely,  generally off-the-radar schools like Emerson have had terrific seasons. If you were to go only by scores, you could make the case that they are the best team in the country. After all they beat Babson by 13. Does that make them better than Amherst and Wash.U., two 2007 final four teams who both returned loads of talent? I highly doubt it. And yet again, a close look at that Emerson-Babson box score would have shown that in that November contest, an Emerson FRESHMAN hit 8 three's. Those things simply don't happen all that much and show why scores are so misleading.

Still, I'll grant you this: the UAA, like the rest of the country, is mighty difficult to predict, even more so if you are like me and haven't seen most of its teams play yet. But if I were to go by scores only, it'd be even more difficult. Consider that Case Western lost by just one to 9-3 and 2007 NCAA team Depauw, yet also was defeated by Earlham, a squad Wash.U. crushed by close to 30 while resting their starters for much of the contest. Depauw beat U of C by 14, yet U of C beat IWU by 15, a team Wash.U. beat by just 3. If Earlham beat Case by 5, are they 3 points better than Depauw, and 17 points better than U of C? Or is U of C 12 points better than Wash.U since it margin of defeat over IWU was that many more than Wash.U's? Sounding ridiculous yet? I hope so. Having not seen these teams, it's just too hard to say how things will turn out. One thing  I'm glad about: D3, it appears, has much more parity than I've ever before noticed and that's a good thing for all of us.

Lastly, I'd note that each game in the UAA this year will come down to match-ups, even more so than home court advantage or any other potentialyl decisive factor. For instance, I think Wash.U. will have a much better shot at beating Rochester than Brandeis. The Bears' slashing, attacking style has the potential to get Rochester's twin towers in foul trouble and Rochester is without an explosive point guard  who could exploit Wash.U's weakend run game. Brandeis, however, has a pair of terrific point guards who might give Wash.U. fits. But Rochester's more methodical style and plethora of weapons might wear down the Judges, since Deis (especially sans Deluca) strikes me as having a bit less depth.

It's going to be a great year in the UAA...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 10, 2008, 01:33:28 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 10, 2008, 12:43:11 AM
I agree that Wash.U. is still finding its identity as a team (and I have said as much on this board a number of times), but looking at scores, especially this year, can be incredibly deceiving. It seems to me like D3 (particularly Wash.U's region) is wide open this year, with more parity than we've seen in a long time. A couple of instances of why scores can be so misleading...

Wash.U. only beat 3-9 Babson by 2 at home, as a previous poster pointed out. But one-time number 1 and defending national champ, Amherst, only beat Babson by 5 and put up just 60 points on the Beavers. Also, when Babson played Wash.U. their point guard went 10 for 13 including 5 for 6 on 3's, finishing with 32 in an epic performance. Those kinds of games happen.

Platteville CRUSHED 12th ranked Oshkosh tonight, yet Platteville lost by 11 to Wash.U. in what was just Wash.U's 2nd game without Wallis. Similarly in that game, a Wash.U. player (Tyler Nading) had a career night and finished with 31. If we were to only go with scores, Wash.U. would be 30 points better than Oshokosh and I'm quite certain that they're not.

Wash.U. barely got by Coe. If you had checked the box score, you'd realize that their leading scorer Nading was on the bench (in addition, of course, to Wallis) with an injury in that game.

Elms took Deis to overtime and Clark led Deis at the half.

Augustana has a few losses, so too does Stevens Points. Amherst has lost twice, so too has Wash.U. Wooster and VWU also eac have a pair of L's next to their name.

Conversely,  generally off-the-radar schools like Emerson have had terrific seasons. If you were to go only by scores, you could make the case that they are the best team in the country. After all they beat Babson by 13. Does that make them better than Amherst and Wash.U., two 2007 final four teams who both returned loads of talent? I highly doubt it. And yet again, a close look at that Emerson-Babson box score would have shown that in that November contest, an Emerson FRESHMAN hit 8 three's. Those things simply don't happen all that much and show why scores are so misleading.

Still, I'll grant you this: the UAA, like the rest of the country, is mighty difficult to predict, even more so if you are like me and haven't seen most of its teams play yet. But if I were to go by scores only, it'd be even more difficult. Consider that Case Western lost by just one to 9-3 and 2007 NCAA team Depauw, yet also was defeated by Earlham, a squad Wash.U. crushed by close to 30 while resting their starters for much of the contest. Depauw beat U of C by 14, yet U of C beat IWU by 15, a team Wash.U. beat by just 3. If Earlham beat Case by 5, are they 3 points better than Depauw, and 17 points better than U of C? Or is U of C 12 points better than Wash.U since it margin of defeat over IWU was that many more than Wash.U's? Sounding ridiculous yet? I hope so. Having not seen these teams, it's just too hard to say how things will turn out. One thing  I'm glad about: D3, it appears, has much more parity than I've ever before noticed and that's a good thing for all of us.

Lastly, I'd note that each game in the UAA this year will come down to match-ups, even more so than home court advantage or any other potentialyl decisive factor. For instance, I think Wash.U. will have a much better shot at beating Rochester than Brandeis. The Bears' slashing, attacking style has the potential to get Rochester's twin towers in foul trouble and Rochester is without an explosive point guard  who could exploit Wash.U's weakend run game. Brandeis, however, has a pair of terrific point guards who might give Wash.U. fits. But Rochester's more methodical style and plethora of weapons might wear down the Judges, since Deis (especially sans Deluca) strikes me as having a bit less depth.

It's going to be a great year in the UAA...

I did not make any of those number comparisons in my comment or play any of those number games you mentioned.  I merely said that this is an example of why WashU and Brandeis are not as inconsistent as Rochester.  Rochester is the only team that has beaten the teams it should have rather comfortably.  In my opinion, Amherst has also played inconsistently so far this year (for the month stretch from Dec. 6 to Jan 5 they didnt play as well as a top 3 team should play). 

Whether the close scores are a matter of inconsistent play or parity in DIII is more of a philosophical question. In my opinion, teams not being ready from the first whistle (aka inconsistent play) against these "lesser" opponents has as much to do with some of these close scores as does the skill level of the other teams (parity).  You could make the excuses of injuries, tests, or travel, but what it comes down to is playing consistent basketball every night.  This isnt always easy, but it appears as though some teams are able to do it better than others.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: theBroadcaster on January 10, 2008, 01:49:04 PM
Just want to let everyone know that Brandeis' WBRS Sports will be at NYU this weekend to bring you both the Judges mens and womens games against NYU.  You can listen live online at www.wbrs.org or on the radio at 100.1FM if you're in Waltham.  We're going to have a couple alumni come back as special guests to broadcast the men's game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on January 10, 2008, 02:11:53 PM
hugenerd - I hope you jump in on the UAA pick em board.

All other UAA followers - drop by and make your picks.  We've already got disagreement on all three opening weekend games.  The more people we have, the better!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on January 11, 2008, 09:28:59 AM
There has been alot of talk about the UAA this year with Rochester, Brandeis, and WashU being a big factor in the national picture. Even though they lost their UAA opener, look for CMU to sneak up on some teams as the UAA schedule progresses. They are 8-2 right now coming off a huge win at then #12 Captial and a win at Juniata. The Tartans host Averett tonight and Lycoming on Sunday. I would love to see a 10-2 Tartan squad with Brandeis coming into Skibo on January 18th. Mark your calendars, that is going to be a very good game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: scottiedawg on January 11, 2008, 09:09:08 PM
32-32 SUNY Brockport and Rochester at halftime.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 11, 2008, 09:37:21 PM
This is a crazy good game, thanks for the update, I am not so sure that I would have tuned in had I not known it was such a close game. As we speak the teams are exchanging buckets in the second half with the yellowjackets down 2.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on January 12, 2008, 06:43:16 PM
just got back from the NYU v Brandeis game at Coles.

Great game, NYU jumps out early, Brandeis fights right back to go up 34-28 at half time.

NYU cut Brandeis lead to 2 points at 54-52 with 5:11 to go.

Brandeis answered with a 3ptr from Olson to make it 57-52 and then pulled away from there.

It was a well played game from both teams and when it came down to it Brandeis just hit more shots

Brandeis shot 60% from the field vs NYU's 38.6% from the field.

Wasn't an easy win for Brandeis, they earned every point they scored.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 13, 2008, 10:27:17 AM
I also saw the Brandeis @ NYU game yesterday. NYU led the first 15 minutes of the game and hung in there the whole game. The Violets looked better in this game than they did when I saw them against Geneseo State earlier this season. They had better intensity and ball movement, and played better defense. A major problem for NYU is they have no low post threat, which greatly restricts their options on offense. Richie Polan, a 6-8 freshman, played very well for NYU and finished with 22 points. He hit 5 three-pointers and is a deadly outside shooter with nice backspin on his shot.

Brandeis looked good--not great--and has good depth and balance. Terrell Hollins is a good interior scorer, Joe Coppens and Kevin Olson are excellent outside shooters, and Kwame Fulgham-Graves is a good floor general. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: JustAFan on January 13, 2008, 03:23:40 PM
I noticed that the 6-10 senior center on Brandeis (Saucier) hasn't played in a game this year. Is he hurt, or just not good enough to earn minutes in the regular rotation?

Looks like Brandeis is putting together a promising recruiting class for next year. See this link for details:  http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/281/Brandeis-Putting-Together-All-Star-Recruiting-Class.php

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on January 14, 2008, 12:14:44 AM
With the start of UAA play underway, I think it should be noted of the rediculous non-conference record racked up by UAA teams. 69-14. As of today, all teams in the UAA are above .500. Also there are 3 (hopefully 4) teams in the top 25. With numbers like that, I dare anyone to name a better conference top to bottom in the country.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2008, 10:58:05 PM
Quote from: bouttime on January 14, 2008, 12:14:44 AM
With the start of UAA play underway, I think it should be noted of the rediculous non-conference record racked up by UAA teams. 69-14. As of today, all teams in the UAA are above .500. Also there are 3 (hopefully 4) teams in the top 25. With numbers like that, I dare anyone to name a better conference top to bottom in the country.
While I agree the UAA is off to a good start and I think they are one of the top conferences in the nation. I would argue the WIAC and the CCIW are perennially just as tough as the UAA has been in the last season and a half. And since I got to this message via the ODAC board, the ODAC is certainly a conference to enter the conversation of tough conferences... though not in my Top 3.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 14, 2008, 11:08:17 PM
I think the discussion however is focussed on this season. And this season hands down the UAA is the top conference.  3 teams in the top 5 and another team in the top 25 there is just no beating that. There is no region that can boast that claim any longer, let alone a conference.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2008, 11:41:37 PM
Well, the ODAC, WIAC, and CCIW all have three teams in the Top 25 (with the WIAC having one team sitting at #26).

Your arguement certainly shows how strong the top of the UAA is. However, I think the WIAC and the CCIW are stronger below the top three or four teams. While the UAA's records for all their teams are above .500 you might want to take a look at other conferences before using that example as being the top conference.

The CCIW also has all over their 8 squads above .500; the NESCAC (home of Amherst and Williams) has 9 of their squads above .500; 7 or the 9 teams in the WIAC are above .500; and 7 of the 10 teams in the ODAC are above .500; heck, 7 of the 9 teams in the Empire 8 are above .500. (I may have missed other conferences, only concentrated on any in the Top 25.)

That all being said, just because a conference has all of their squads - or a majority of them - above .500 doesn't truely indicate how good a conference is top to bottom. If the team at the bottom is above .500 but has had a cupcake schedule... should that count equally to a team with a much tougher schedule?

Another arguement to why I wouldn't put the entire UAA at #1:
The CCIW has all of their teams above .500 and have also shown early in the season they all can beat each other. (Every team in the CCIW is 1-1 in conference at the time of this post.) That shows that the CCIW teams are not only enjoying winning records... but ANY team beat ANY team in the CCIW. Can the UAA really say its conference has that much parity?

While I agree the UAA has shown they are a very good conference, I don't know if I can say they are the top conference on the simple arguement that they have all of their teams above .500.

Just to put it out there, my rankings (based on my opinion on what I see with records and results) for this season:
1 - CCIW
2 - WIAC
3 - UAA
4 - NESCAC
5 - ODAC

And I am willing to bet that will change as we get further into conference action!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 15, 2008, 12:01:48 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 14, 2008, 11:41:37 PM
Another arguement to why I wouldn't put the entire UAA at #1:
The CCIW has all of their teams above .500 and have also shown early in the season they all can beat each other. (Every team in the CCIW is 1-1 in conference at the time of this post.) That shows that the CCIW teams are not only enjoying winning records... but ANY team beat ANY team in the CCIW. Can the UAA really say its conference has that much parity?

Just like you said that bouttime's argument isnt valid, neither is yours.  Explain to me how everyone in the conference can be even against eachother when they have only played one game in conference.  How do you know the UAA isnt going to beat up on eachother?  Your argument is just as invalid as they one you argued against.

The bottom line is that the UAA has the #1, #2, #5, and #24 ranked teams in the country.  They are also ranked #1 by Massey in both the straightup and MOV rankings (and in those rankings they are rated over twice as high in the regular rankings, their rating is 0.542 versus #2 ODAC's 0.261, and significantly higherin the MOV, 0.544 versus 0.367 for NESCAC).  Out of conference, Rochester is undefeated, Brandeis only lost to UMD, CMU only llost to JHU on opening day, WU only lost two early games, NYU only lost two early games, and CWRU, EU, and UC are all 7-4. 

Right now, by the numbers alone, you really cant argue against the UAA.  The parity argument isnt valid yet because the UAA has only played one game in conference, so we really dont know yet how the UAA will shake out from top to bottom.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 15, 2008, 12:19:32 AM
Also to the best of my knowledge the UAA is undefeated against both the Nescac and the Empire 8, so if we are going to put these conference head to head then they win that battle again.

If we are talking top to bottom, I am pretty sure Case or Emory would do work against Colby. Perhaps I am wrong, but just throwing in my two Lincolns.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2008, 12:31:03 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 15, 2008, 12:01:48 AM
Just like you said that bouttime's argument isnt valid, neither is yours.  Explain to me how everyone in the conference can be even against eachother when they have only played one game in conference.  How do you know the UAA isnt going to beat up on eachother?  Your argument is just as invalid as they one you argued against.
The CCIW has played two games in confernece... and each team in conference is 1-1 and no team won on the road. Augustana lost to North Park (away) before beating Elmhurst (home); Wheaton beat Carthage (home) and then lost to North Central (away); Elmhurst beat Milikin (home) before losing to Augustana (away); and despite the loss to Elmhurst, Milikin then beat North Park (home). I would keep going, but this is good enough for my point.

North Central, by the way, is one of the weaker teams in the CCIW strickly on overall record (.538) - same as the weakest overall record in the UAA.

The arguement that the UAA is the top conference being that all teams are above .500 is weak at this time in the season. The CCIW also has all of their teams above .500 AND they have show in the first two games of the season that any team can beat any team. I think that is an example of a strong conference from top to bottom then just the fact all teams are above .500. I don't see how there is anything wrong with that arguement.

At least I am presenting another fact to the arguement which I think is a stronger indicator as to a conference's strength top to bottom. Again, a team may be in last place in a conference and has an above .500 record, but if they have a cupcake schedule, shouldn't that matter as well?

Also, the UAA has another thing against them in the fact they do exist across the country. Do you really think the competition Rochester has the option of facing in the East Region even compares to the competition in the Midwest or even the Northeast? That is just one reason I am not sold on Rochester actually being the #1 team in the nation right now. If you want to compare losses outside of conference, also compare wins and the entire schedule. The CCIW, WIAC, NESCAC, and ODAC have tough competition (and weak) in their regions. The UAA has some teams that have weaker competition around them or in their schedule, strickly because of the region they are actually located in.

Quote from: hugenerd on January 15, 2008, 12:01:48 AM
Right now, by the numbers alone, you really cant argue against the UAA.  The parity argument isnt valid yet because the UAA has only played one game in conference, so we really dont know yet how the UAA will shake out from top to bottom.
Then how can the arguement be made for the UAA to be the top conference if the conference has only played one game? The arguement made was strickly on overall record... which as I showed with the CCIW doesn't hold that much water. If you are comparing it to the Top 25... anyone voting will tell you that this year the poll is very difficult to decide... and just because the UAA has 4 teams in the Top 25 doesn't necessarily mean they are a better conference as much as there is a LOT of parity this season - especially in the Top 25.

UAA - 4
CCIW - 3
WIAC - 3 (and one #26)
ODAC - 3
That's 13 of the 25 slots. There are still 12 other slots taken by 9 other conferences!

I will admit that the UAA certainly looks impressive this year as they did last year. I will admit that I am watching them very closely and they are a constant topic of conversation on Hoopsville (http://"http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville") each week. I am certainly looking forward to the Brandies/Rochester game Sunday, strickly to compare the two teams and get an idea of the top of the UAA.

Quote from: ILive4This on January 15, 2008, 12:19:32 AM
Also to the best of my knowledge the UAA is undefeated against both the Nescac and the Empire 8, so if we are going to put these conference head to head then they win that battle again.

If we are talking top to bottom, I am pretty sure Case or Emory would do work against Colby. Perhaps I am wrong, but just throwing in my two Lincolns.
I was just showing that the NESCAC and the Empire 8 also have impressive overall records in their conferences - if the arguement is completely based on overall records for teams in conferences. Nothing more.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2008, 01:07:46 AM
I am a CCIW partisan (IWU) who will readily admit that the UAA is probably stronger at the top this year, but will concede nothing as far as top-to-bottom.  Head-to-head doesn't help much (I haven't checked all schedules, but I'm pretty sure that only Wash U and Chicago have played CCIW teams), at 2-2.  Both teams beat IWU at home (though Wash U only 'survived' by 3), but the Titans are VERY young (3 freshmen start, and there have been times that 4 freshmen and a sophomore who was injured his entire freshman year have been together on the floor.  Chicago lost to Wheaton; Wash U lost to Augie.

I'm doubtful that the CCIW has a Final Four candidate this year (though I'd be happy to be proven wrong), whereas the UAA (depending on placement) might have 2 or even 3 viable contenders.  But I would bet the ranch on our bottom half (if we ever figure out who they are!) beating the tar out of the bottom half of any other conference.  Knowing the WIAC, I'm usually afraid to say that, but this year I believe every CCIW team is top 100, even if none ends up in the top 10.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 15, 2008, 01:50:17 AM
Dave "d-mac" McHugh --

I presented the data from Massey as well.  I dont know exactly what criteria goes into this rating but "at least I am presenting another fact to the argument." WIAC and CCIW are not in the top 3 in either Massey rating (regular or MOV). Additionally I said nothing about the 0.500 benchmark in my comment, I was talking about the overall out of conference record for the UAA, and the UAA has the best out of conference record in the country (UAA: 70-18 (Massey incorrectly counts Emory's exhibition loss to davidson and NYU won tonight), 0.795; NESCAC: 92-27, 0.773; ODAC 47-21, 0.691; CCIW: 60-28, 0.682, and WIAC, 51-27, 0.654).

Additionally, since you are so adamant about this top to bottom argument, how can you put the WIAC ahead of the UAA when they have a team that is 3-11.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2008, 09:16:27 AM
I am enjoying the discussion about the UAA.  As I analyze the South, Emory's loss to UT-Tyler (64-72) on a "friendly neutral" floor (Sewanee) was very ugly.  If UT-Tyler is Top 25 calibre, then the ASC is stronger thru the best 10 of its 15 teams than I thought. If Emory finishes stronger than 5-9 in the UAA, then I am surprised. 

Their opponents in the South are relatively weak.  I think that they under-performed considering  the teams played.  The criteria for Pool C selection is imminently favorable to the UAA where they each have about 30 -50 unique local schools against whom they can build a favorable non conference schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 15, 2008, 10:10:48 AM
I agree with you about Emory, I was actually proven wrong last weekend when I picked an improved Case team to win in Atlanta. When it really comes down to it though, I do not think they will win in Cleveland, and I am hard fought to find those other four wins for the eagles.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2008, 10:26:39 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 15, 2008, 01:50:17 AM
Dave "d-mac" McHugh --

I presented the data from Massey as well.  I dont know exactly what criteria goes into this rating but "at least I am presenting another fact to the argument." WIAC and CCIW are not in the top 3 in either Massey rating (regular or MOV). Additionally I said nothing about the 0.500 benchmark in my comment, I was talking about the overall out of conference record for the UAA, and the UAA has the best out of conference record in the country (UAA: 70-18 (Massey incorrectly counts Emory's exhibition loss to davidson and NYU won tonight), 0.795; NESCAC: 92-27, 0.773; ODAC 47-21, 0.691; CCIW: 60-28, 0.682, and WIAC, 51-27, 0.654).

Additionally, since you are so adamant about this top to bottom argument, how can you put the WIAC ahead of the UAA when they have a team that is 3-11.
The arguement that started this is debate was that every team in the UAA was above .500 - thus they should be considered the best conference in the nation.
Quote from: bouttime on January 14, 2008, 12:14:44 AM
With the start of UAA play underway, I think it should be noted of the rediculous non-conference record racked up by UAA teams. 69-14. As of today, all teams in the UAA are above .500. Also there are 3 (hopefully 4) teams in the top 25. With numbers like that, I dare anyone to name a better conference top to bottom in the country.
I took the dare... and named the CCIW and the WIAC. The reason I took the WIAC over the UAA right now is because I feel that they are a stronger conference from top-to-bottom than the UAA, at this time.
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 14, 2008, 11:41:37 PM
And I am willing to bet that will change as we get further into conference action!
I also pointed out that my thoughts on the fact may change.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on January 15, 2008, 11:19:47 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 15, 2008, 10:26:39 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 15, 2008, 01:50:17 AM
Dave "d-mac" McHugh --

I presented the data from Massey as well.  I dont know exactly what criteria goes into this rating but "at least I am presenting another fact to the argument." WIAC and CCIW are not in the top 3 in either Massey rating (regular or MOV). Additionally I said nothing about the 0.500 benchmark in my comment, I was talking about the overall out of conference record for the UAA, and the UAA has the best out of conference record in the country (UAA: 70-18 (Massey incorrectly counts Emory's exhibition loss to davidson and NYU won tonight), 0.795; NESCAC: 92-27, 0.773; ODAC 47-21, 0.691; CCIW: 60-28, 0.682, and WIAC, 51-27, 0.654).

Additionally, since you are so adamant about this top to bottom argument, how can you put the WIAC ahead of the UAA when they have a team that is 3-11.
The arguement that started this is debate was that every team in the UAA was above .500 - thus they should be considered the best conference in the nation.
Quote from: bouttime on January 14, 2008, 12:14:44 AM
With the start of UAA play underway, I think it should be noted of the rediculous non-conference record racked up by UAA teams. 69-14. As of today, all teams in the UAA are above .500. Also there are 3 (hopefully 4) teams in the top 25. With numbers like that, I dare anyone to name a better conference top to bottom in the country.
I took the dare... and named the CCIW and the WIAC. The reason I took the WIAC over the UAA right now is because I feel that they are a stronger conference from top-to-bottom than the UAA, at this time.
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 14, 2008, 11:41:37 PM
And I am willing to bet that will change as we get further into conference action!
I also pointed out that my thoughts on the fact may change.



The fact that all UAA teams was not my sole arguement for them being the best conference in the country. You need to take the other points that I made (non-conference record, teams with national ranking) into consideration as well. Even though there are other conferences that have 4 teams in the top 25, there is not another conference in the country with 3 teams in the top 5. I also agree with the points made by hugenerd reguarding the Massey rankings and the WIAC having a 3-11 team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2008, 11:26:22 PM
Not a serious rebuttal, but the WIAC's 3-11 team is in 9th place.  I have it on good authority that the UAA's 9th place team is 0 for forever! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2008, 12:19:49 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2008, 11:26:22 PM
Not a serious rebuttal, but the WIAC's 3-11 team is in 9th place.  I have it on good authority that the UAA's 9th place team is 0 for forever! ;D
The UAA's 9th team is now playing in the Centennial!   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 16, 2008, 12:40:00 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2008, 12:19:49 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2008, 11:26:22 PM
Not a serious rebuttal, but the WIAC's 3-11 team is in 9th place.  I have it on good authority that the UAA's 9th place team is 0 for forever! ;D
The UAA's 9th team is now playing in the Centennial!   ;)

But they still have a winning record (7-6 and they would actually be the 9th place team in the UAA right now with that record)! Also, they would be undefeated in the UAA (1-0), which shows great parity!

(JHU was in the UAA until the 2000-2001 season)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 16, 2008, 01:24:19 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 15, 2008, 10:26:39 PM
The arguement that started this is debate was that every team in the UAA was above .500 - thus they should be considered the best conference in the nation.

As a matter of fact, this comment is completely false.  This argument started when you decided to pick this point out of the 3 points that bouttime made - out of conference record, rankings (3 teams in top 5 and 4 in top 25), and that all teams are over 0.500. (See below)  I additionally made several other arguments regarding the Massey ratings and the records of the teams at the bottom of your top conferences.

Quote from: bouttime on January 14, 2008, 12:14:44 AM
With the start of UAA play underway, I think it should be noted of the rediculous non-conference record racked up by UAA teams. 69-14. As of today, all teams in the UAA are above .500. Also there are 3 (hopefully 4) teams in the top 25. With numbers like that, I dare anyone to name a better conference top to bottom in the country.

Just because your post focused on the fact that all teams are over 0.500, doesnt mean the argument started there, or if you wish to believe it started only with this point, you, in that case, are the one who started the argument focusing only on this point. (See below)

Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 14, 2008, 11:41:37 PM
Well, the ODAC, WIAC, and CCIW all have three teams in the Top 25 (with the WIAC having one team sitting at #26).

Your arguement certainly shows how strong the top of the UAA is. However, I think the WIAC and the CCIW are stronger below the top three or four teams. While the UAA's records for all their teams are above .500 you might want to take a look at other conferences before using that example as being the top conference.

The CCIW also has all over their 8 squads above .500; the NESCAC (home of Amherst and Williams) has 9 of their squads above .500; 7 or the 9 teams in the WIAC are above .500; and 7 of the 10 teams in the ODAC are above .500; heck, 7 of the 9 teams in the Empire 8 are above .500. (I may have missed other conferences, only concentrated on any in the Top 25.)

That all being said, just because a conference has all of their squads - or a majority of them - above .500 doesn't truely indicate how good a conference is top to bottom. If the team at the bottom is above .500 but has had a cupcake schedule... should that count equally to a team with a much tougher schedule?

Another arguement to why I wouldn't put the entire UAA at #1:
The CCIW has all of their teams above .500 and have also shown early in the season they all can beat each other. (Every team in the CCIW is 1-1 in conference at the time of this post.) That shows that the CCIW teams are not only enjoying winning records... but ANY team beat ANY team in the CCIW. Can the UAA really say its conference has that much parity?

While I agree the UAA has shown they are a very good conference, I don't know if I can say they are the top conference on the simple arguement that they have all of their teams above .500.

Just to put it out there, my rankings (based on my opinion on what I see with records and results) for this season:
1 - CCIW
2 - WIAC
3 - UAA
4 - NESCAC
5 - ODAC

And I am willing to bet that will change as we get further into conference action!

You in fact write the number "0.500" 10 times in this post, clearly emphasizing it more than any other point (for what reason it is not clear because bouttime emphasized all 3 points equally, stating each once).

Also, to correct bouttime, there are no other conferences with 4 teams in the top 25 currently (WIAC, CCIW, and ODAC all have 3, the WIAC is close tp 4 with a team at #26). He is also correct that no conference comes close to the rankings of the top 3 UAA teams (1, 2, 5).  CCIW's ranked teams  are 9, 12, 18; WIACs ranked teams are 10, 11, 16; and, ODAC ranked teams are 17, 22, 25. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2008, 09:42:44 PM
Quote from: bouttime on January 14, 2008, 12:14:44 AM
With the start of UAA play underway, I think it should be noted of the rediculous non-conference record racked up by UAA teams. 69-14. As of today, all teams in the UAA are above .500. Also there are 3 (hopefully 4) teams in the top 25. With numbers like that, I dare anyone to name a better conference top to bottom in the country.
Sure... I picked out one number and then commented on the other two.

You know my arguement for above .500. However... three teams in the Top 5 is impressive (and four in the Top 25), but only points out the top half of the conference. There is no "poll" that ranks ALL teams in the nation and I would - and have - argued that the bottom half of the UAA isn't as strong as the CCIW or WIAC (no disrespect to my friend, Coach McGrath).

So for the fun of it, I checked the opponents winning percentage for the bottom team in the UAA and the CCIW:
Case Western Reserve - 48-93 (.340)
North Central - 74-57 (.565) - with one team not counted (World Harvest Bible, yes you read that right) because I couldn't get their record (do they exist?)

I would hope the teams like Case Western would have an above .500 winning percentage with their opponents winning percentage that low.
And I will be honest, North Central surprised me a bit.

Now... ALL of that being said... I didn't take the time to figure out the opponent opponent's winning percentage - which might have shed even more light on all of this.

Also, the original comment stated that the UAA had a non-conference record of 68-14. That works out to a winning percentage of .829. In the CCIW (since they are the ones I am making the arguement as number one for), they are 72-26 (with two more teams than the CCIW). That works out to a winning percentage of .735 - still pretty respectable.

But I also pointed out that this can be skewed. The CCIW and WIAC play in regions were the competition is tough that other regions. Rochester, I would argue, doesn't play in a region or against non-conference opponents that are as tough.

Anyway... I stick by assertion that from top to bottom - I think the UAA is not the top conference... but certainly one of the top three conference in the country. And... I am moving on!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 17, 2008, 01:17:16 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 16, 2008, 09:42:44 PMNorth Central - 74-57 (.565) - with one team not counted (World Harvest Bible, yes you read that right) because I couldn't get their record (do they exist?)

Yes, the Harvesters (or whatever they call themselves) exist. I have seen them in the flesh. In fact, they are the only men's college basketball team with a female head coach that I have ever seen.

But the WHBC team consists of a bunch of unrecruited non-scholarship Bible college students. They all basically show up for a tryout at the beginning of the season, and go from there. That should tell you all you need to know about how good WHBC is.

(To be fair to North Central, the only reason why WHBC was in the Cards' tipoff tourney was because UW-LaCrosse reneged this fall on a signed contract to appear in that tourney, leaving NCC head coach Todd Raridon to scramble to find a last-minute replacement.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 17, 2008, 01:21:44 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 16, 2008, 09:42:44 PM
Quote from: bouttime on January 14, 2008, 12:14:44 AM
With the start of UAA play underway, I think it should be noted of the rediculous non-conference record racked up by UAA teams. 69-14. As of today, all teams in the UAA are above .500. Also there are 3 (hopefully 4) teams in the top 25. With numbers like that, I dare anyone to name a better conference top to bottom in the country.
Sure... I picked out one number and then commented on the other two.

You know my arguement for above .500. However... three teams in the Top 5 is impressive (and four in the Top 25), but only points out the top half of the conference. There is no "poll" that ranks ALL teams in the nation and I would - and have - argued that the bottom half of the UAA isn't as strong as the CCIW or WIAC (no disrespect to my friend, Coach McGrath).

So for the fun of it, I checked the opponents winning percentage for the bottom team in the UAA and the CCIW:
Case Western Reserve - 48-93 (.340)
North Central - 74-57 (.565) - with one team not counted (World Harvest Bible, yes you read that right) because I couldn't get their record (do they exist?)

I would hope the teams like Case Western would have an above .500 winning percentage with their opponents winning percentage that low.
And I will be honest, North Central surprised me a bit.

Now... ALL of that being said... I didn't take the time to figure out the opponent opponent's winning percentage - which might have shed even more light on all of this.

Also, the original comment stated that the UAA had a non-conference record of 68-14. That works out to a winning percentage of .829. In the CCIW (since they are the ones I am making the arguement as number one for), they are 72-26 (with two more teams than the CCIW). That works out to a winning percentage of .735 - still pretty respectable.

But I also pointed out that this can be skewed. The CCIW and WIAC play in regions were the competition is tough that other regions. Rochester, I would argue, doesn't play in a region or against non-conference opponents that are as tough.

Anyway... I stick by assertion that from top to bottom - I think the UAA is not the top conference... but certainly one of the top three conference in the country. And... I am moving on!

Agreed
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 17, 2008, 08:54:29 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 17, 2008, 01:17:16 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 16, 2008, 09:42:44 PMNorth Central - 74-57 (.565) - with one team not counted (World Harvest Bible, yes you read that right) because I couldn't get their record (do they exist?)

Yes, the Harvesters (or whatever they call themselves) exist. I have seen them in the flesh. In fact, they are the only men's college basketball team with a female head coach that I have ever seen.

But the WHBC team consists of a bunch of unrecruited non-scholarship Bible college students. They all basically show up for a tryout at the beginning of the season, and go from there. That should tell you all you need to know about how good WHBC is.

(To be fair to North Central, the only reason why WHBC was in the Cards' tipoff tourney was because UW-LaCrosse reneged this fall on a signed contract to appear in that tourney, leaving NCC head coach Todd Raridon to scramble to find a last-minute replacement.)

World Harvest Bible College is one of the few schools that doesn't turn up in Massey's rankings. When I went to North Central's entry, Massey had them playing Northwestern, IA not WHBC. In fact Massey has North Central losing to Northwestern, IA twice this year when in fact the two teams haven't played. Needless to say, his rating of NC is off the mark.

Although I couldn't find WHBC's record, I did find out they are a former member of the USCAA and their nickname is the Warriors.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 17, 2008, 01:30:25 PM
okay so I would really like to get the convo going to this weekend's matchups, especially since the game of the week if not the season is perhaps in our conference this weekend. Although with a tough game for Brandeis in Pittsburgh on Friday, who knows...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on January 17, 2008, 01:42:47 PM
Chicago has enrolled a pair of 6'7" teammates from very successful St. Xavier High in Cincinnati.
http://athletics.uchicago.edu/news0708/mbk-newcomers-011708.htm (http://athletics.uchicago.edu/news0708/mbk-newcomers-011708.htm)

And apparently the star of this St. Xavier team is headed for Loyola-Chicago.
http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/preps/2007/08/st-xs-gibler-to-loyola.asp (http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/preps/2007/08/st-xs-gibler-to-loyola.asp)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on January 17, 2008, 02:28:22 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on January 17, 2008, 01:30:25 PM
okay so I would really like to get the convo going to this weekend's matchups, especially since the game of the week if not the season is perhaps in our conference this weekend. Although with a tough game for Brandeis in Pittsburgh on Friday, who knows...


The atmosphere in Skibo on Friday night for the CMU-Brandeis game should be awesome. There is a great deal of excitement on campus and I look for it to be a packed house. Links to both the CMU radio broadcast and LiveStats of the game can be found here.


http://www.cmu.edu/athletics/intercollegiate-sports/mens-teams/basketball/schedules/index.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 17, 2008, 03:57:56 PM
Quote from: Hoop Dreams on January 17, 2008, 01:42:47 PM
Chicago has enrolled a pair of 6'7" teammates from very successful St. Xavier High in Cincinnati.
http://athletics.uchicago.edu/news0708/mbk-newcomers-011708.htm (http://athletics.uchicago.edu/news0708/mbk-newcomers-011708.htm)

And apparently the star of this St. Xavier team is headed for Loyola-Chicago.
http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/preps/2007/08/st-xs-gibler-to-loyola.asp (http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/preps/2007/08/st-xs-gibler-to-loyola.asp)

I played high school ball in cincy and St.X and Moeller are always packed with talent.  Good pickups for Chicago. 

St. X's star from a couple years back, Johnny Wolf, played two seasons at Xavier University before transfering to UNCW this year because Drew Lavender transferred from Oklahoma to Xavier and took all his minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 18, 2008, 10:59:30 AM
I must say the Carnegie SID does a great job with his game notes. Only thing I would have liked to see is how they match up with their opponents this weekend, like who leads in the series, last 10 matchups, probable starters etc.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 18, 2008, 12:01:08 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on January 18, 2008, 10:59:30 AM
I must say the Carnegie SID does a great job with his game notes. Only thing I would have liked to see is how they match up with their opponents this weekend, like who leads in the series, last 10 matchups, probable starters etc.

In the last 10 games (aka last 5 years), CMU holds an 8-2 head-to-head advantage over Brandeis and a 6-4 head-to-head advantage over NYU.  CMU split with both NYU and Brandeis last year.  However, CMU has not gone 4-0 against these two teams in the past 5 years, nor has CMU gone less than 2-2. 

CMU results vs. BU and NYU

BU
06-07: 1-1
05-06: 2-0
04-05: 1-1
03-04: 2-0
02-03: 2-0

NYU
06-07: 1-1
05-06: 1-1
04-05: 2-0
03-04: 1-1
02-03: 1-1

CMU is 4-1 at home versus both NYU and Brandeis in the past 5 seasons (they lost at home to NYU in 05-06 and to Brandeis in 04-05).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 18, 2008, 01:04:54 PM
Thats what I love about these boards.... You ask and you shall receive  +1 to you sir
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 18, 2008, 06:54:45 PM
Turns out there will also be a live webcast at the link below,

http://www.cmu.edu/athletics/intercollegiate-sports/webcast.html (http://www.cmu.edu/athletics/intercollegiate-sports/webcast.html)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 18, 2008, 06:58:38 PM
Also interesting, I noticed that CMU already has the new Men's 3-point line painted on their court for next season. Honestly it just looks silly, most courts are going to look pretty funny starting next year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 18, 2008, 08:09:47 PM
Scary moment for the Judges only  a minute into the game as Sr captain Center Stephen Hill hit the floor hard, but he is up and back in the game now as the Judges lead 11-4 5 minutes into the game
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 18, 2008, 08:36:32 PM
#2 Brandeis 35, #24 CMU 20 at Halftime,

Shooting: Brandeis 55%, CMU 28%
3pt: 20%, 0% (0-7)
Boards: 19, 17
Turnovers: 4, 6

I think that is all relevant stats, neither team is turning the ball over too much, the difference is CMU is really having to work for their shots, and they are forcing the ball a little more than the Judges.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 18, 2008, 08:43:26 PM
#1 Rochester seems to be having an easy outing tonight, up 40-23 against the visiting Violets of NYU
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 18, 2008, 09:32:23 PM
Kudos to CMU for putting the game up on video! Brandeis wins 60-48.

Hey, 'Deis, how about some video for our home games?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 18, 2008, 09:45:22 PM
Halftime scores
Wash 47
Emory 28

Chicago 33
Case 22

Chicago announcers are still talking about Matt Corning's breakway dunk.

Is Steve DeLuca done for the season?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 18, 2008, 11:42:51 PM
All finals

Rochester 70
NYU  54

Wash U 85
Emory  63

Chicago 76
Case 65
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sean-o on January 19, 2008, 01:00:29 AM
Quote from: martin on January 18, 2008, 09:45:22 PM

Chicago announcers are still talking about Matt Corning's breakway dunk.


The visual proof: http://maroon.uchicago.edu/sportsreport/?p=275 (http://maroon.uchicago.edu/sportsreport/?p=275)

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on January 19, 2008, 07:48:46 AM
As of this morning, the top 3 schools in the country by the RPI measure are: Rochester, WashU, and Brandeis. The conference also has the highest average RPI in the country.

The RPI combines winning percentage and strength of schedule and is a proxy for the rating used to choose and seed teams in the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 19, 2008, 09:14:09 AM
Quote from: sean-o on January 19, 2008, 01:00:29 AM
Quote from: martin on January 18, 2008, 09:45:22 PM
Chicago announcers are still talking about Matt Corning's breakway dunk.
The visual proof: http://maroon.uchicago.edu/sportsreport/?p=275 (http://maroon.uchicago.edu/sportsreport/?p=275)

I don't know - could be some photoshop going on.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 19, 2008, 09:52:53 AM
Here are all the UAA scores this year (home team in bold):

12/1
Rochester 64, CMU 50

1/12
Brandeis 66, NYU 56
Emory 99, Case 92
Wash U 76, Chicago 50

1/18
Brandeis 60, CMU 48
Chicago 76, Case 65
Rochester 70, NYU 54
Wash U 85, Emory 63

UAA Standings
Brandeis 2-0
Rochester 2-0
Wash U 2-0
Chicago 1-1
Emory 1-1
Case 0-2
CMU 0-2
NYU 0-2

Some stats:

The favorite has won every game. The home team has won six of eight games. Only one single-digit victory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on January 19, 2008, 02:29:34 PM
So Brandeis is 2-0 on the road, while the rest of the conference is 0-6.  Have to hand it to the Judges.  If they can win at the Palestra tomorrow, they will be in very good position.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 19, 2008, 05:05:23 PM
It appears we're looking at a three-way race for the UAA title. I think what it will come down to is which one of the big three can steal a game at the other's house. It also will come to how many games Carnegie can steal from the big three. But by and large, Wash.U., Rochester and Deis will be very tough to beat at home. Including last season's 2 playoff games, Wash.U. has won 25 straight at home and I know Deis and Roch are tough at home as well. But Case, Chicago and Emory are all pretty down this year and I don't think any of the big 3 will have trouble on the road at those places. I haven't seen NYU yet, but they could pose some trouble. By the end of 7 league games, I think we'll be able to definitively determine the trajectory of this race.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: theBroadcaster on January 19, 2008, 11:44:48 PM
Just to let everyone know, WBRS Sports has made the 6 hr trip from Waltham to Rochester to broadcast the big game tomorrow at noon.  Log on to www.wbrs.org or tune your radios to 100.1FM in the Waltham area to hear all the action as #2 Brandeis battles #1 Rochester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 20, 2008, 01:05:21 AM
no video? boo! 

seriously, thanks, looking forward to noon!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 20, 2008, 01:22:39 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 19, 2008, 05:05:23 PM
It appears we're looking at a three-way race for the UAA title. I think what it will come down to is which one of the big three can steal a game at the other's house. It also will come to how many games Carnegie can steal from the big three. But by and large, Wash.U., Rochester and Deis will be very tough to beat at home. Including last season's 2 playoff games, Wash.U. has won 25 straight at home and I know Deis and Roch are tough at home as well. But Case, Chicago and Emory are all pretty down this year and I don't think any of the big 3 will have trouble on the road at those places. I haven't seen NYU yet, but they could pose some trouble. By the end of 7 league games, I think we'll be able to definitively determine the trajectory of this race.

I think Emory is a very hard place to play (if they still have the same floor as a few years ago).  When we played there (a few years back), it always seemed like 50% of the floor was dead spots.  Chicago is always pretty tough at home too.  I think we could have a few surprises as the season progresses.

Also, CMU hardly ever wins on the road at WU, UC, UR, or EU.  CMU has won 4/21 games in the last 5+ years at those four schools (UR: 1/6, UC: 1/5, WU: 2/5, and EU 0/5).  2 of those wins came when CMU swept the UC, WU weekend in 04-05 and the other two came in 05-06 (years when they finished 2nd and 1st in the conference).  In the other 3+ seasons (since 2002) they have not won a single game away against those 4 teams.  As evidenced by their record at Emory, it is not easy to win in Atlanta. Even in their two strongest (04-05, 05-06) CMU still lost to Emory on the road.  During the same span, they were 5-0 against Emory at home (quite a discrepancy).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2008, 11:56:32 AM
Quote from: howardjp on January 20, 2008, 01:05:21 AM
no video? boo! 

seriously, thanks, looking forward to noon!

There is video at Rochester but the capacity has been very limited in the past. They were working to increase capacity for this weekend but I don't know what the result was.

Link on our front page scoreboard.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2008, 12:12:53 PM
Feel free to join the blog discussion on this game:

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2008/01/20/game-day-no-2-brandeis-at-no-1-rochester/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 20, 2008, 12:16:04 PM
The bandwidth is too limited, and I can not get on, this is very disappointing. I guess audio will have to do.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 20, 2008, 12:28:14 PM
same here, but thanks for letting us know, Pat!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 20, 2008, 12:48:01 PM
Quite a game so far, once Hollins gets back into the game in the second half, the Judges should get atleast a little boost
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 20, 2008, 01:36:58 PM
1:04 left, Coppins trey makes it a two point game, 64-62, Rochester ...

PS -  was Hollins ever in the game?

ah well, close loss to the number #1 team on the road, congrats to Rochester, see you in Waltham ....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 20, 2008, 02:08:23 PM
Hollins was physically on the floor, as for in the game, because of fouls, impact was minimal. He finished with 3 points, (one FG), and UR just seemed to have him frustrated most of the game when he was in, committing 4 fouls (one intentional). This is a game possibly the first where Brandeis truly needed DeLuca, as it would have been much nicer to rotate Deluca, Hollins and Hill in a foul trouble scenario, rather than Hollins, Hill and the two freshmen who just have not gotten the minutes necessary to be ready for this kind of action. That being said the two did step up and played well. I am unsure how this will affect the rankings, we shall see.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: scottiedawg on January 20, 2008, 02:17:51 PM
After a so-so first half, WashU is demolishing Case Western.  32-8 so far in the second half.  Troy Ruths has something like 17 in the second half.  Congrats to the UAA, who should have teams #1, #2, and #4 in the country. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 20, 2008, 02:48:17 PM
All Finals

Rochester 74
Brandeis 68

NYU 63
CMU  58

Wash 85
Case 57

Chicago 91
Emory 65

Case battled against both Chicago and Wash - but ultimately did not have the depth and fell.  On Friday, Chicago would get up double digits but then Case would cut it back to 4 or 6.  The Maroons were finally able to make the gap stick late in the second half.  Today, Case battled Wash, trailing by only 6 at the half.  But they could not keep it up in the second half.

NYU's win surprised me - hard to win on the road in the UAA and I think Sunday road wins are tougher to come by.  I should check that some time.

Trying to start an argument - with Sean Wallis out, is Chicago's Jake Pancratz the best point guard in the UAA?  A lot was expected of him last year and he seemed overwhelmed at times.  I think he is really coming into his own now.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on January 20, 2008, 05:45:39 PM
What a great weekend at UR. The house was packed Friday for the NYU game and the student section was ...vocal.  So much so that Coach Neer got on the mike after the game and asked them to get up early and come support the team Sunday.  As an added bonus, the History Channel was recording the game Friday for an upcoming show.  The students were back in full voice for the Brandeis game but there were a lot more families in the crowd.  Nice to see.  It really was a teriffic game and both teams are deserving of their ranking.  So many clutch performances on both sides.  It was a LOT of fun.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 20, 2008, 10:51:51 PM
Quote from: martin on January 20, 2008, 02:48:17 PM

NYU's win surprised me - hard to win on the road in the UAA and I think Sunday road wins are tougher to come by.  I should check that some time.

It surprised me as well. I looked at the box score and discovered that NYU's high scorer was John Mish. He averages 5.5 ppg and scored 24 today against CMU. Tough weekend for the Tartans: Not only did the upset vs. Brandeis fail to materialize, but they themselves were upset at home by NYU. There's still plenty of conference games left, but right now CMU is 0-3 in the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: theBroadcaster on January 20, 2008, 11:53:59 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on January 20, 2008, 02:08:23 PM
This is a game possibly the first where Brandeis truly needed DeLuca, as it would have been much nicer to rotate Deluca, Hollins and Hill in a foul trouble scenario, rather than Hollins, Hill and the two freshmen who just have not gotten the minutes necessary to be ready for this kind of action. That being said the two did step up and played well.

Being at the game today myself and broadcasting the Judges all season, I couldn't agree with you more.  Even in the Amherst game, it never really felt like the Judges were missing something on the floor, but today it did.  It is clear that as good as Hollins is, he is still a sophomore, and in the UAA every once in awhile he is going to play like one.  When that is the case, as was so today, the Judges desperately are in need of one more quality post player.  Now thats not to say that the freshman didn't play well, because they are showing improvement game after game, but if the Judges are to truly contend for a title it seems like they just might be that one player short.  But after watching them play really a B quality game at best in a hostile environment and yet they still had a shot late, I feel like with DeLuca they would be the odds on favorite for the national title.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 21, 2008, 04:48:37 AM
You can bet Mark Edwards will pull a page out of Mike Neer's playbook when the Judges come to St. Louis at the end of February. Nading and Thompson slashing + Troy Ruths down low = potential foul trouble for Hollins.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 21, 2008, 09:28:18 AM
Yeah but at the same time, the Judges were able to limit Rob D who has been lights out recently, until the last few minutes when they had no choice but to foul him...9 of his 12 pts i believe were from the line. If they can limit nading's production it might not matter the foul trouble Hollins is in.

However since someone is bound to say it, chances are Wash U will not need to borrow playbook pages when the Judges come to St. Louis, the refs will give out fouls  anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on January 21, 2008, 09:43:33 AM
Dominiak did get most of his points from the line, but he only took 3 shots.  The box score shows how balanced the guard play for UR was, with Rob D 2/3, Mike C 5/8, Mike L 3/3, Brad R 1/2, Kaplan 2/3 and Juron 2/3.  Brandeis did a great job of double and triple teaming the post, but UR did an equally nice job of hitting the open jumper. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on January 21, 2008, 09:49:05 AM
Speaking of Mike L, I thought his effort in the last couple of minutes on the long pass was exceptional and one of the key plays along with Juron going coast to coast in the last minute.  Long inbounds pass from under the Brandeis basket looked for all the world to be going out of bounds on the other end of the court.  Brandeis player was doing a great job of screening Labanowski from the ball, but at the last second Mike went around and tipped the ball off him.  Instead of Brandeis having the ball under their basket, it was UR's under theirs.  Key play and heady for a freshman.  Also he was 3/3 - all from behind the arc.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerbant10 on January 21, 2008, 03:47:21 PM
Quote from: Jacketfan2011 on January 21, 2008, 09:43:33 AM
Brandeis did a great job of double and triple teaming the post, but UR did an equally nice job of hitting the open jumper. 

Brandeis didn't really double and never triple teamed the post.  They slacked off a lot when guarding the high-low trying to bate the bigs into shooting 15 footers.  May have looked like they were doubling, but it was more of just playing way off the high big.

Dead on about Mikey Lebanowski's hustle play.  That play ended up sealing the game for them.  He's a very good fit for the offense they run....but I thought his defense yesterday was the best part of his game.  Played Brandeis' wings very well. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 23, 2008, 01:19:30 PM
Chicago is doing something different this year with recruiting.  It seems to be announcing recruits as they commit.  In the past, the school made one announcement in June of its incoming class.  This year, no announcement was made - only 2 first years joined the program and one already left.

Latest is Tommy Sotos, a 6-3 guard from suburban Chicago (Conant HS).  He is the leading scorer (13 ppg) and captain of the team - which has a 12-4 record.  Conant plays in the same league as Schaumburg HS, Jake Pancratz's alma mater.

The anouncement is on the UofC site (http://athletics.uchicago.edu/news0708/mbk-newcomers-012208.htm) as well as a story in the Daily Herald. (http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=115167)  From the Herald:
Sotos-fying times: Conant senior Tommy Sotos had a pair of big post-holiday games with 12 points in a 46-23 win over MSL East leader Hersey and a career-high 24 points in a 53-49 win over MSL West rival Schaumburg.
Sotos also made his college choice last Thursday by picking the University of Chicago. Sotos picked the Maroons over Lafayette, Grinnell, St. Norbert's, Oberlin and Emory.


It would make me feel better if he was recruited by CCIW schools.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on January 23, 2008, 01:55:18 PM
I like these in-season recruiting announcements.  I live about 10 min. from Conant HS, so maybe I'll check out one of their games.

Anyone want to return Martin's volley about whether Jake Pancratz is the best PG in the UAA?  I haven't seen enough UAA teams to say for sure, but Jake is very good.  He can shoot and score in transition and plays excellent D. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 24, 2008, 12:21:50 AM
Kwame Graves Fulgrahm and Andre Roberson, both of Brandeis, are both better than Pancratz, from what I've seen. So too is Wallis, but he of course isn't playing this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 24, 2008, 11:16:17 AM
Agreed, but I think they split the minutes too much to be considered the best point guard in the league, they almost cancel each other out because of each of their talents. One might put up 20 in a game while the other only puts up 4, then the next game it nearly reverses. However, one of them may still be good enough to get the nod for best PG in a UAA sans Sean Wallis
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 24, 2008, 02:52:21 PM
Obviously it's early, but who do people like for first team all league and for POY and ROY?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 24, 2008, 10:24:36 PM
I think its a bit too early to say at this point, but Troy Ruth's name should be in the mix along with Jon O (I am not going to try to spell it) from Rochester. I think Deluca would have been an obvious candidate had he had the year expected of him, same with Sean Wallis, however clearly neither will be in the mix. I think Hollins and Coppins are the two Judges most likely to get onto the first team, although Hollins had a rough time this weekend, he is perhaps a future POY for the UAA and perhaps more.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on January 25, 2008, 02:52:48 PM
Personally I'm going wait until we play every team before I make decisions
on POY and ROY and even who the best position players at each spot are.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on January 25, 2008, 09:49:58 PM
Chicago wins at #2 Brandeis, 79-77!

Matt Corning poured in 27 points, including a 4-point play with Chicago trailing 67-66 that gave the Maroons the lead for good.

Joe Coppens' (27 pts) 3-point shooting kept the Judges in the game, but Chicago dominated the offensive glass.  That was the key to the Maroons' upset, according to the terrific WBRS broadcast.

Rochester-Emory in OT right now...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 25, 2008, 09:55:26 PM
Wash.U. wins at NYU, 57-50. This could have HUGE implications, depending on the result of the Rochester game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 25, 2008, 10:06:57 PM
ROCHESTER STUNNED...Biggest upset I've heard of in the UAA in my time following the conference (3+ seasons).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on January 25, 2008, 10:11:25 PM
Emory knocks off #1 Rochester, 81-76, in Atlanta.

Jon Onyiriuka hit a shot for UR to send it into overtime after Emory had led the last 10 minutes of the 2nd half.  Kudos to the Eagles for not getting discouraged and outscoring the Yellow Jackets 12-7 in OT.  Spiros Ferderigos led Emory with 22 points.

Emory pulls off the upset despite going only 3-12 from downtown.  Incredible.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 25, 2008, 10:13:15 PM
Exciting evening in the UAA

Carnegie Mellon 86, Case 72

Chicago 79 Brandeis 77

Emory 81, Rochester 76 (OT)

Washington 57, NYU 50

Emory got spanked at both Wash and Chicago last weekend.  I might want to reconsider my pick for Sunday.  
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2008, 11:02:27 PM
WOW... I blogged about this absolutely crazy night in the Daily Dose (http://"http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2008/01/25/catching-my-breath-on-friday-night")!

I was very impressed with how Emory withstood the Rochester runs and the last-second tie to still pull out the win in overtime.

Then Chicago - despite getting the chance to put the game away on the free throw line late, still was able to knock the baseball pass from Brandeis to pull out that win.

Though, I am curious... home-court clock advantage/syndrom in Brandeis? Off the missed FT, rebound Brandeis, TO called... and not one tenth of a second came of the clock! ;-)

Tonight certainly shook up more than the UAA!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 25, 2008, 11:44:00 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 25, 2008, 11:02:27 PM
Then Chicago - despite getting the chance to put the game away on the free throw line late, still was able to knock the baseball pass from Brandeis to pull out that win.

Jake Pancratz missed those two free throws - which does not change my opinion of him.  I am working on a post of why he is the top point guard in the UAA.  No other team relies on one guard to do so much for them as is expected of Pancratz.  An excuse for those missed free throws - Jake played all 40 minutes of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on January 25, 2008, 11:45:04 PM
Dave -

According to the WBRS broadcast, Chicago coach Mike McGrath was absolutely livid after the rebound and TO with no time elapsed.

I imagine McGrath's face was approximately the color of his players' uniforms.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2008, 11:56:32 PM
Yeah - I remember hearing the guys mention that McGrath was livid... and knowing him as I do - I am sure "Maroon" was a safe color choice :).

That being said, even though I didn't see the game, I suspect he probably had a fair arguement. The guys on WBRS even sounded surprised and immediately assumed the refs would take some time off the clock. As we know... they didn't! :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 26, 2008, 08:41:54 AM
Here is my one complaint about the game and about coach Mcgrath. It is okay to scream and try to get your teams attention but it should be done with in the confines of the rules. I have read multiple articles online, in SI and ESPN about the refs at DI giving out more bench fouls than usual this season for coaches being our of their "box". Coach McGrath was out to the three-point line at times with not even a warning. Actually I have another complaint, there was a foul on Brandeis on the inbound pass before it went out of bounds and before time expired, this was called but then ignored, I'm pretty sure if the foul occurs and you call it you can not just decline it like in football. I am sure I will lose some karma for these comments but I think I needed to put it out there. People will act like the refs should/do favor Brandeis at home, but that simply is not the case as it seems most have a grudge against Coach Meehan.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2008, 10:18:48 AM
I can't speak to the "coach's box" except to say I know refs are reminding coaches to stay in that box. But despite the fact coaches are still coming out of it and I haven't seen a tech called on it, yet!

As for the final play... most people will tell you and most refs have told me, they don't want to blow the whistle on the final play of the game unless it is unavoidable. Sure, it may not be right in the letter of the rule book, but in the refs mind, they don't want something they would consider minor to decide the entire game. They want the players to decide the ending. Usually calls that happen late hardly ever are ticky-tack calls. Not sure what call could have been made - the guys on WBRS didn't mention anything - and I am sure fans would love to have a call made there, but I do have one question: would you rather a team got the chance to tie, win, or even lose on a ticky-tack, maybe questionable call, at the FT line... or from actually making a play? I will take a play every time!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: John Gleich on January 26, 2008, 02:09:58 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on January 26, 2008, 08:41:54 AM
Here is my one complaint about the game and about coach Mcgrath. It is okay to scream and try to get your teams attention but it should be done with in the confines of the rules. I have read multiple articles online, in SI and ESPN about the refs at DI giving out more bench fouls than usual this season for coaches being our of their "box". Coach McGrath was out to the three-point line at times with not even a warning. Actually I have another complaint, there was a foul on Brandeis on the inbound pass before it went out of bounds and before time expired, this was called but then ignored, I'm pretty sure if the foul occurs and you call it you can not just decline it like in football. I am sure I will lose some karma for these comments but I think I needed to put it out there. People will act like the refs should/do favor Brandeis at home, but that simply is not the case as it seems most have a grudge against Coach Meehan.

This (bench decorum) is a "point of emphasis" this year in college basketball on all levels.  I know of one game where it may have affected the outcome... in the UWSP/UW Whitewater game earlier this year, there was a bench technical called with :20 on the clock and a 4 point game.  Coach Semling (who usually is very level headed) reacted to a foul call by jumping in the air.  Now, I wasn't at the game, but BadgerWarhawk (the resident UWW poster, who works at the scoring table for UWW games) said this:

Quote from: badgerwarhawk on December 03, 2007, 09:41:48 AM
The technical foul was on Semling for jumping up and down while he complained about the call.    It was a very intense moment and bench decorum is a point of emphasis with the league officials this season.  El-Amin probably could have gotten one for spiking the ball like he did but he didn't.

As it were in this game, Point shot themselves in the foot by missing 5 straight free throws and a layup.  They should have been LEADING (with no need to take gambles for steals and have a foul called).


If the NCAA wants to clear up bench decorum, they need to do one simple thing.  I'm not sure about elsewhere, but the Illinois High School Association used to have a rule that coaches couldn't get up off the bench.  If they stood up, they got a T. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 27, 2008, 01:54:43 PM
Thrilling win for Wash.U. @ Deis. 71-69. Bears were down 69-62 with 1:30 to play. Now tell me the Bears don't deserve the number one ranking...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2008, 02:05:50 PM
Sure... Rochester won 85-74... still only have one loss.
Wash U. has two losses - though both out of conference, but one at home!

Most voters like to look at the entire season, not just conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on January 27, 2008, 02:21:16 PM
Holy mackeral - read the final minute 30 play by play of the Brandeis Wash U game - incredible performance by Troy Ruths!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2008, 02:27:41 PM
Yep -- that's why we put him on the front. He scored the last eight, as well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on January 27, 2008, 02:33:50 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on January 27, 2008, 02:05:50 PM
Sure... Rochester won 85-74... still only have one loss.
Wash U. has two losses - though both out of conference, but one at home!

Most voters like to look at the entire season, not just conference play.

None at home (the Augustana loss was in Webster's classic, so it was neutral site even though it was in St. Louis).

More importantly, the Bears have won 12 in a row and are playing much better basketball than they were at the start of the year; although for tournament selection purposes all games count equally, I'd think the pollsters would tend to discount games early in the year in terms of figuring out who the best teams are.

The amazing thing about this WashU team is that they've done it without their most outstanding player in the Final Four last year, guard Sean Wallis, who went down with an injury in the third game. WashU lost the next one to Augustana but has been unbeaten since.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2008, 02:37:14 PM
Quote from: pabegg on January 27, 2008, 02:33:50 PM
...
The amazing thing about this WashU team is that they've done it without their most outstanding player in the Final Four last year, guard Sean Wallis, who went down with an injury in the third game. WashU lost the next one to Augustana but has been unbeaten since...
which for the sake of my ballot would be an excellent consideration as to how WashU adjusted to the loss.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 27, 2008, 02:52:04 PM
Sunday Jan 27

Emory 89, Carnegie Mellon 85
Chicago 61, NYU 44
Rochester 85, Case 74
Washington 71, Brandeis 69

Wash and Chicago both go 2-0 on the road - pretty remarkable.  I thought Wash could do it.  Chicago really showed something this weekend.  Who is the Athlete of the Week?  Matt Corning had 27 against Brandeis and 15 against NYU.  Troy Ruths had 17 against NYU and 25 against Brandeis.  I think that adds up to 42 for both.

Corning is listed as a guard but he plays "Tasmanian Devil (http://uncletaz.com/Tazdevil.GIF)". He got his 27 against Brandeis in just 20 minutes.  He had 4 fouls.  He scored nine points in 12 minutes in the first half - which leaves 8 minutes and 18 points in the second half.  Chicago basically plays with one guard - Jake Pancratz.  Quite a change from last year.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on January 27, 2008, 03:10:59 PM
So Emory be CMU?  And CMU was ranked in the Top 25 last week?  Emory may be better than some would like to believe.  At least at home.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on January 27, 2008, 03:12:57 PM
Opps.  Fast fingers are a curse.... sometimes,

Be=  beat.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2008, 04:31:51 PM
Quote from: Jacketfan2011 on January 27, 2008, 03:10:59 PM
So Emory be CMU?  And CMU was ranked in the Top 25 last week?  Emory may be better than some would like to believe.  At least at home.

Right, at least at home for sure.

Guilford is the only team Emory has lost to at home.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nobody on January 27, 2008, 04:58:45 PM
I am pretty surprised that Chicago won 2 this weekend, but they just found a way to get it done.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on January 27, 2008, 08:26:37 PM
Chicago looked very good today against NYU. The Maroons dominated from the start and while the Violets did make a run in the second half to cut the lead to eight, Chicago quickly took complete control again. Matt Corning had an outstanding game, scoring from all over the court. Chicago had excellent ball movement and executed on offense, and also played good defense with very few lapses.

NYU was competitive on Friday night against Washington University, but looked horrible today. They were simply outclassed. The only Violet who played well was John Mish. He is the only NYU player who can play with his back to the basket.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 28, 2008, 09:55:40 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2008, 04:31:51 PM
Quote from: Jacketfan2011 on January 27, 2008, 03:10:59 PM
So Emory be CMU?  And CMU was ranked in the Top 25 last week?  Emory may be better than some would like to believe.  At least at home.

Right, at least at home for sure.

Guilford is the only team Emory has lost to at home.

Emory has a huge home court advantage.  The gym they play in is really "unique", for lack of a better word.  You really need to play on the floor a lot to get a feel for it.  This is mainly for two reasons, the gym is in a structure the size of an airplane hangar with no curtains hung up during games (which can give you a weird perspective on shots), and their floor is (or was 3 years ago when I last played on it) filled with dead spots and can really throw off your play if you arent used to it.  Anyway, I guess whatever works.  Two solid wins for EU this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2008, 07:54:01 PM
New No. 1 team named. (http://www.d3hoops.com/)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 28, 2008, 09:06:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2008, 07:54:01 PM
New No. 1 team named. (http://www.d3hoops.com/)

I think there is a high probability that Pat will post this message again next week. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2008, 10:43:30 PM
Perhaps. But I might use a different font.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 28, 2008, 11:05:24 PM
UAA faithful...

Not meaning to start anything, but this was posted in the MWC page.  Just curious if you could give us some insight.

Quote from: thevicar on January 28, 2008, 10:37:56 AM
So I went to yesterday's Brandeis - Wash U game, and wasn't at all impressed with either team. Both teams looked very sloppy on offense, and Brandeis' defense was downright atrocious. Brandeis had some good shooters, and Wash U's big man was pretty impressive, but nothing beyond what I've seen in the Alex in past years from good Carroll and Ripon teams, and I think Braier's final team could have handled both teams with relative ease. Although I don't know about both teams at the same time...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 29, 2008, 12:10:06 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on January 28, 2008, 11:05:24 PM
UAA faithful...

Not meaning to start anything, but this was posted in the MWC page.  Just curious if you could give us some insight.

Quote from: thevicar on January 28, 2008, 10:37:56 AM
So I went to yesterday's Brandeis - Wash U game, and wasn't at all impressed with either team. Both teams looked very sloppy on offense, and Brandeis' defense was downright atrocious. Brandeis had some good shooters, and Wash U's big man was pretty impressive, but nothing beyond what I've seen in the Alex in past years from good Carroll and Ripon teams, and I think Braier's final team could have handled both teams with relative ease. Although I don't know about both teams at the same time...

Chicago and Wash were instrumental in starting the UAA.  Wash did not want to associate with the SLIAC rabble.  Chicago wanted to get away from the MWC rabble.  Why should we dirty ourselves now?  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 29, 2008, 12:14:29 AM
And (fess up, Martin) Chicago was afraid they couldn't compete in the CCIW! ;D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on January 29, 2008, 02:49:56 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 29, 2008, 12:14:29 AM
And (fess up, Martin) Chicago was afraid they couldn't compete in the CCIW! ;D ;)

I got the impression that the CCIW had an even higher rabble content than the MWC.  ;)

UofC may have been afraid of the bad influence of regular interaction with the evil doers who wear the colors of the Wheaton Sonic Disturbance (nee Crusaders).  I have to admit that I would never gained admission to Wheaton.  I would have a hard time coming up with a pastor's letter.  Do you think they would take an autographed copy of "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins instead?  :D  :D  :D

Seriously, the concept of "peer institutions" is big with the UAA schools - and Chicago and Wash are the hardest core on this subject.  I believe the other schools, which may have not been fully sold on the concept before, are embracing it more and more.  They think it reflects well on the school and helps in general recruting - not just for athletics.  Any of the schools can say we are just like these other seven schools.

I think the only other D3 schools which fit profile of a UAA school are MIT, Johns Hopkins, CalTech and maybe Tufts.  All, except Tufts, are members of the Association of American Univerisities (AAU). (http://www.aau.edu/)  CalTech is too far away - and too uncompetitive.  Only 615 men and 249 women.  Too small a pool of nerds. 

Tufts is more like a UAA school than the liberal arts colleges that make up the NESCAC.  Tufts has massive graduate programs in biology and medicine - but weak in other areas.  I think that is what keeps it out of the AAU. 

I would like to see MIT and Hopkins join the UAA.  I think Hopkins would have to change its outlook and commit to the UAA fully - which I doubt will happen.

BTW, the only athletic conferences with all its member also members of the AAU are the UAA and Big Te1n.  Dartmouth keeps the Ivy League from making that claim.  Only 62 schools in the AAU - so the UAA and Big Te1n make up almost a third of the members.  Chicago is still a member of the Committee on Institutional Cooperation (http://www.cic.uiuc.edu/) along with the Big Te1n schools. I think the CIC needs Chicago and its resources more than Chicago needs the CIC.  The CIC was a big reason why Penn State joined the Big Te1n - which gave a new spelling for 11.  Everyone at Notre Dame, except the football program, wanted to join the Big Te1n - and become a member of the CIC.  Touchdown Jesus won that debate.

Does anyone know if the UAA has looked into forming an academic adjunct like the CIC?

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on January 29, 2008, 07:08:25 AM
Wasn't Hopkins a member of the UAA until fairly recently?  I seem to remember a UR tour leader saying the UAA was called the "Nerdy Nine", but that changed to the "Egghead Eight" when Hopkins left. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 29, 2008, 07:27:18 AM
Quote from: martin on January 29, 2008, 02:49:56 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 29, 2008, 12:14:29 AM
And (fess up, Martin) Chicago was afraid they couldn't compete in the CCIW! ;D ;)

I would like to see MIT and Hopkins join the UAA.  I think Hopkins would have to change its outlook and commit to the UAA fully - which I doubt will happen.


Johns Hopkins was in the UAA until 2001, although it never fully participated in some sports like basketball (they played each team only once) and then left the conference completely due to costs.  MIT would also be impossible for three main reasons.  One:  They are in the same city as Brandeis, which would be unfair to the other teams in terms of travel costs because these two schools would just have to drive 20 minutes to play eachother.  Second: having an odd number of teams would mess up the current conference play schedule.  Three, and most importantly, MIT would never be able to afford competing in the UAA (and they just wouldnt join for one sport).  MIT has 42 varsity sports, or something ridiculous (I think it is actually the largest number of varsity sports of any university in the country), so the money is spread so thin they dont even get a lot of the simple luxuries most other d3 schools get--like free shoes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on January 30, 2008, 01:52:38 PM
Thinking about this weekend's action, I believe it's imperative for Rochester and Brandeis to sweep in order for them to remain in contention for the UAA title.

Rochester finishes with 5 of 7 on the road after this weekend, so the Yellow Jackets need to take care of business at The Palestra.  That will not be easy against Wash U and Chicago teams that are playing with a lot of confidence right now. 

Meanwhile, Brandeis cannot afford to stumble on the road at either Emory or Case.  A fourth UAA loss would effectively bring down the gavel on the Judges' UAA title hopes.

Hard to believe I'm saying this about teams that were on top of the D3 world (#1 and 2) just 10 days ago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2008, 04:51:55 PM
I'm looking forward to Friday night's games. Making the trip up U.S. 15, etc., from D.C.

Driving.

Alone.

Yeah, I think I'm a little nuts.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: formerbant10 on January 30, 2008, 05:51:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2008, 04:51:55 PM
I'm looking forward to Friday night's games. Making the trip up U.S. 15, etc., from D.C.

Driving.

Alone.

Yeah, I think I'm a little nuts.

Don't worry Pat, weather in the ROC won't be that bad.  Low is only 29 for Friday nite with wintery mix.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 30, 2008, 09:42:40 PM
Side note, I am fairly certain Harvard offers more sports than any other in the country. However, while the UAA may not be right for MIT, i am not certain the NEWMAC is the appropriate conference for them either, only the all girls schools really share the same philosophies as MIT.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 30, 2008, 11:03:25 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on January 30, 2008, 09:42:40 PM
Side note, I am fairly certain Harvard offers more sports than any other in the country.

According to the MIT website, MIT has 41 varsity sports and says that they have the most in the country:

http://web.mit.edu/fofdaper/docs/Varsity-sports-facts.html

However, on the wikipedia Harvard page, it says that Harvard has 41 varsity sports (as of 2006), more than anyone else in the country. 

So, in fact, it may be a tie, depending on if either school has dropped/added any sports in the last year or two.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2008, 11:10:43 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2008, 04:51:55 PM
I'm looking forward to Friday night's games. Making the trip up U.S. 15, etc., from D.C.

Driving.

Alone.

Yeah, I think I'm a little nuts.
For the record... I was asked to come along... I just can't. And trust me, I am kicking myself! Really wish I could join Pat for that lovely drive through the PA mountains and the beautiful roads of western New York - haven't done that in a LONG time!

Oh... and the game. Of course, the game!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 30, 2008, 11:30:19 PM
Quote from: Hoop Dreams on January 30, 2008, 01:52:38 PM
Thinking about this weekend's action, I believe it's imperative for Rochester and Brandeis to sweep in order for them to remain in contention for the UAA title.

Rochester finishes with 5 of 7 on the road after this weekend, so the Yellow Jackets need to take care of business at The Palestra.  That will not be easy against Wash U and Chicago teams that are playing with a lot of confidence right now. 

Meanwhile, Brandeis cannot afford to stumble on the road at either Emory or Case.  A fourth UAA loss would effectively bring down the gavel on the Judges' UAA title hopes.

Hard to believe I'm saying this about teams that were on top of the D3 world (#1 and 2) just 10 days ago.

As I said before the start of the season, I think the winner of the UAA will have 3 or 4 losses, just like when CMU won with a 10-4 record 2 years ago.  I think the conference is too balanced for any team to run away with it.  WashU still has to play Rochester twice in 9 days (and CMU twice in the same span), Brandeis, at Chicago, at Emory, vs. NYU, and at Case.  They could conceivable lose any of those games.  I think going through the rest of their schedule with only 3 losses would be very impressive.  If they lose less than that, I would be very impressed.  We saw that anything could happen in this conference when Emory upset Rochester, its just a question of who will come up with the next big upset.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 01, 2008, 10:58:50 PM
Great job by the announcers broadcasting tonight's Rochester-Wash U double header.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 01, 2008, 11:31:56 PM
Quote from: martin on January 29, 2008, 02:49:56 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 29, 2008, 12:14:29 AM
And (fess up, Martin) Chicago was afraid they couldn't compete in the CCIW! ;D ;)

I got the impression that the CCIW had an even higher rabble content than the MWC.  ;)

UofC may have been afraid of the bad influence of regular interaction with the evil doers who wear the colors of the Wheaton Sonic Disturbance (nee Crusaders).  I have to admit that I would never gained admission to Wheaton.  I would have a hard time coming up with a pastor's letter.  Do you think they would take an autographed copy of "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins instead?  :D  :D  :D

Seriously, the concept of "peer institutions" is big with the UAA schools - and Chicago and Wash are the hardest core on this subject.  I believe the other schools, which may have not been fully sold on the concept before, are embracing it more and more.  They think it reflects well on the school and helps in general recruting - not just for athletics.  Any of the schools can say we are just like these other seven schools.

I think the only other D3 schools which fit profile of a UAA school are MIT, Johns Hopkins, CalTech and maybe Tufts.  All, except Tufts, are members of the Association of American Univerisities (AAU). (http://www.aau.edu/)  CalTech is too far away - and too uncompetitive.  Only 615 men and 249 women.  Too small a pool of nerds. 

Tufts is more like a UAA school than the liberal arts colleges that make up the NESCAC.  Tufts has massive graduate programs in biology and medicine - but weak in other areas.  I think that is what keeps it out of the AAU. 

I would like to see MIT and Hopkins join the UAA.  I think Hopkins would have to change its outlook and commit to the UAA fully - which I doubt will happen.

BTW, the only athletic conferences with all its member also members of the AAU are the UAA and Big Te1n.  Dartmouth keeps the Ivy League from making that claim.  Only 62 schools in the AAU - so the UAA and Big Te1n make up almost a third of the members.  Chicago is still a member of the Committee on Institutional Cooperation (http://www.cic.uiuc.edu/) along with the Big Te1n schools. I think the CIC needs Chicago and its resources more than Chicago needs the CIC.  The CIC was a big reason why Penn State joined the Big Te1n - which gave a new spelling for 11.  Everyone at Notre Dame, except the football program, wanted to join the Big Te1n - and become a member of the CIC.  Touchdown Jesus won that debate.

Does anyone know if the UAA has looked into forming an academic adjunct like the CIC?

Martin, I enjoyed this post, just as I enjoy all of your posts ... in spite of the fact that as a graduate of a CCIW institution I am clearly a loincloth-clad troglodyte in the eyes of you UAAers.

I can only be thankful that I am allowed to watch games in the Ratner Center in spite of the fact that my knuckles drag on the freshly-waxed gym floor. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2008, 12:03:51 AM
Kicking myself... kicking myself... kicking myself... kicking myself... and KICKING MYSELF!

DAMN IT... had a chance to try and get to the game at Rochester... and didn't! Pat is going to hang this one over my head for some time to come.

That being said... I watched the game online via the video (hmm)... and listened to the call by J.C. DeLass (always enjoy)... and it did go into overtime... that should have been expected!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on February 02, 2008, 12:50:58 AM
Quote from: martin on January 29, 2008, 12:10:06 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on January 28, 2008, 11:05:24 PM
UAA faithful...

Not meaning to start anything, but this was posted in the MWC page.  Just curious if you could give us some insight.

Quote from: thevicar on January 28, 2008, 10:37:56 AM
So I went to yesterday's Brandeis - Wash U game, and wasn't at all impressed with either team. Both teams looked very sloppy on offense, and Brandeis' defense was downright atrocious. Brandeis had some good shooters, and Wash U's big man was pretty impressive, but nothing beyond what I've seen in the Alex in past years from good Carroll and Ripon teams, and I think Braier's final team could have handled both teams with relative ease. Although I don't know about both teams at the same time...

Chicago and Wash were instrumental in starting the UAA.  Wash did not want to associate with the SLIAC rabble.  Chicago wanted to get away from the MWC rabble.  Why should we dirty ourselves now?  ;D

Very strange comment Martin. Considering Wash U has continued to fill it's schedule, usually 4 games, with SLIAC teams. And has co-hosted classics with a couple of the same. Jab not well taken!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 02, 2008, 07:07:34 AM
Ditto what fcnews just said. Wash U definitely belongs in a stronger conference than the SLIAC, but otherwise the relationship between Wash U and SLIAC schools is solid. Someone correct me if I am wrong about this, but I beleive that when Wash U hosted the first round of the NCAA tournament last year, a SLIAC coach was the coordinator for the event.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2008, 09:48:58 AM
Was the NCAA rep, you mean?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 02, 2008, 10:34:43 AM
I guess that's what I mean. fcnews could probably confirm that. He and you know a lot more about this stuff than I do.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on February 02, 2008, 11:02:48 AM
Yes, NCAA rep. Either way, Martin's comments are way of base.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2008, 11:14:12 AM
Lighten up, guys - Martin was joking (note the  ;D, and the even worse 'trashing' of the CCIW when I replied to him in kind).  I think Greg had the much more appropriate response to Martin's (self-mocking) 'elitism'.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pantherpride06 on February 02, 2008, 12:47:33 PM
I'd agree with my SLIAC colleagues on this one.  There's to riff between Wash. U and SLIAC schools.  Yes, I believe Chris Bunch as the NCAA Rep at the Wash. U regional last year, which most of the SLIAC posters attended as a conglomerate.  Joking or not, those sorts of statements need to be follow by some facts to back up your claim.  That's a great way to seriously get a riff between Wash. U and the SLIAC.  I think all the St. Louis schools and Greenville compete with Wash. U annually in many sports.  Greenville, for instance, always plays them in baseball, softball, track/field, and occasionally regular season basketball or pre-season scrimmage.

This is not an all-out attack on Martin, just watch how you make claims and who it affects.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on February 02, 2008, 01:01:10 PM
I recognized Martin's comment as a joke, but it does leave a wrong impression to non local readers  -  the SLIAC is what it is -small private schools who attract mostly local kids looking for a small school environment.  Wash U  does obviously not fit into that catagory.  There is a tremendous amount of respect flowing to each other from each other...  Wash U doesn't belong in the SLIAC just like they don't belong in in the Missouri system of Division 2 schools.

I doubt that anyone associated with Wash U would refer to the SLIAC as "rabble"..
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sully309 on February 02, 2008, 01:30:31 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2008, 11:14:12 AM
Lighten up, guys - Martin was joking (note the  ;D, and the even worse 'trashing' of the CCIW when I replied to him in kind).  I think Greg had the much more appropriate response to Martin's (self-mocking) 'elitism'.

I must respectfully disagree with this view.  The " ;D" wasn't until after and martin may have thought he could get away with that jab thinking SLIAC posters wouldn't read this board. Whatever the case, as has ben mentioned before, I think Wash U's non-conference schedule says a lot about the vilidity of this claim, if in fact I can call it that.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2008, 08:23:58 PM
hopefan,

And Martin, of course, has no connection to Wash U - maybe he should have quit while he was 'ahead' with 'trashing' the MWC and CCIW! ;D

SLIAC friends,

Re-read all the posts and see if it doesn't come off as an 'inferiority complex' (IMO, totally unnecessarily), rather than a 'hatchet job' by Martin.  It was a joke, with the main target being the MWC (then the CCIW after I riposted him).

Martin,

I've tried to get your back, but I'd like to remain on good terms with the SLIAC guys.  From here on out, you're on your own!  (Well, maybe once more, if you admit that UC's real motivation was less 'peer institutions' than fear of consistent bottom-half finishes in the CCIW! ;D)

[And, of course, jabs at 'Wheaties' can't hurt your case! ;)]
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 03, 2008, 12:02:08 AM
Joke or not, it was the use of the word "rabble" that is at the core of my objection to martin's post. We SLIAC fans know we are not on the same level as UAA schools, so we graciously accept our conference's inferiority without having a "complex". I go to many Wash U games because we are fortunate that their conference games are on Fridays and Sundays while the SLIAC conference games are on Wednesdays and Saturdays. I root for Wash U when they play any team but a SLIAC team. I even have friends, both of whose kids attend Augustana, but I was rooting for Wash U when they played Augie.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 03, 2008, 01:29:05 AM
Understood, but he said the same about the MWC (none of whom complained, or [more likely] perhaps none of them read the board), and, after I jabbed him back, he said "I got the impression that the CCIW had an even higher rabble content than the MWC. ;)"

What I found hard to believe in your post is confirmation of the old vaudeville joke: we don't have an inferiority complex, we really are inferior.  C'mon, y_jack!  Their students may come in with better test scores (and their parents with fatter wallets) and their teams may (usually) beat yours on the athletic fields, but don't you dare say they do a better job of taking kids from wherever they begin to becoming whatever a college can help them become!  If SLIAC schools ever cave in to that, they may as well close their doors.

This is starting to weird me out - how'd I set myself up to simultaneously be the defender of Martin, the booster of SLIAC schools, and the guy whose karma is dropping like a rock? :D  But (the devil made me do it ::)) that rooting for Wash U vs. the heathens from Rock Island - how'd that turn out for ya?! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on February 03, 2008, 01:49:19 AM
The SLIAC is one of the youngest conferences. Our schools may not have the long tradition, like others. But, we do enjoy our basketball and are very protsctive of how it may be perceived. FU, for one will put it's graduation rate of athletes up against anyone. And several of our departments rank in the top of their field nationally (ie: Deaf Ed, Speech Pathology, Finance, ect....). I'm not defending Yjak's stance. I don't have to. It's just that every year about this time, we're referred to as "Bottom Feeders" and our AQ is called into question. It's just a case of circling the wagons and should not be taken as anything else.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 03, 2008, 02:18:22 AM
Speaking of rabble, hasnt this conversation been dragged on long enough? 

There are 4 conference games tomorrow, none as intriguing as the Friday matchup between 1 and 3, but there could be some pretty good games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 03, 2008, 10:28:07 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 03, 2008, 01:29:05 AM
What I found hard to believe in your post is confirmation of the old vaudeville joke: we don't have an inferiority complex, we really are inferior.  C'mon, y_jack!  Their students may come in with better test scores (and their parents with fatter wallets) and their teams may (usually) beat yours on the athletic fields, but don't you dare say they do a better job of taking kids from wherever they begin to becoming whatever a college can help them become!  If SLIAC schools ever cave in to that, they may as well close their doors.

I tought the inferiority being referred to was in relation to the athletic programs, this being a basketball posting site. I have no doubt that students who attend SLIAC schools get a good education, no matter which school they are at.  And I agree with hugenerd that this has gone on long enough.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 03, 2008, 01:15:37 PM
what is going on today?  pretty wild scores so far ...

does Emory have a broadcast?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2008, 01:26:13 PM
Emory only has a pay-per-listen service.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2008, 01:26:43 PM
The Wash U/CMU game is incredible! But watching the live stats on that and listening to Rochester/Chicago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 03, 2008, 01:39:03 PM
CMU had a videocast of its game w/Wash U, but I couldn't get any sound. Watched all of the 2nd half. An amazing performance by CMU. Seemed like they must have hit 70% of their shots in the 2nd half. Got tons of open looks all over the court and underneath the basket. Wash U was constantly having defensive breakdowns. Friday's rematch will be interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 03, 2008, 01:58:39 PM
thanks, good to see the Judges survive the road.  Needed that after the WU trauma.  Looks like a wide open race!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on February 03, 2008, 04:13:52 PM
Today's Results

Brandeis 89, Emory 81
Chicago 74, Rochester 65
CMU 86, Wash U 55
NYU 79, Case 67

UAA Standings

Chicago  5-2
Rochester  5-2
Wash U  5-2
Brandeis  4-3
CMU  3-4
Emory  3-4
NYU  3-4
Case  0-7
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on February 07, 2008, 11:34:25 AM
Halfway through probably the best UAA season in history.  None of CMU, Emory or NYU will run the table, so 4 contenders for the conference title remain:

Washington U. (5-2) (4 H, 3 A)
Despite their stumbles last weekend, I still think the Bears have the best shot to go 6-1 the rest of the way and earn the Pool A bid.  They get their chance for revenge vs. Rochester and Carnegie Mellon this weekend.  I wouldn't be surprised if the Bears beat the Tartans by 20+ tomorrow night to avenge their blowout loss in Skibo.  They also get Brandeis and NYU at home before traveling to Chicago the last game of the season.  However, the Bears (particularly Troy Ruths) match up very well with the Maroons and dispatched Chicago rather handily in Ratner last season.

Chicago (5-2) (5 H, 2 A)
The surprise team of the UAA thus far has jumped out to a 5-2 start despite playing 5 of those 7 games on the road.  If the Maroons win out at home and pick up a victory at 0-7 Case, they will be looking at an 11-3 conference record.  That's much easier said than done, however, with the quality opponents that will be visiting Ratner.  It starts with Rochester tomorrow night.

Rochester (5-2) (2 H, 5 A)
The Yellow Jackets didn't sweep last weekend like I said they needed to do.  However, their hard-fought win over Washington, coupled with the Bears' subsequent loss to CMU, gives UR hope.  Rochester's next three games are brutal: @Chicago, @Wash, @Brandeis.  Win 2 of those 3, and the Yellow Jackets are in good shape.  Anything less, however, and Mike Neer's team is thinking about tiebreakers and Pool C bids.

Brandeis (4-3) (5 H, 2 A)
The Judges have a conference-leading 4 road victories but are hanging by a thread in 4th place.  Brandeis must beat Rochester at Auerbach Arena on Feb. 15 and win at either Chicago or Wash U the following weekend to have any hope of a conference title.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 07, 2008, 04:50:24 PM
good post, Hoop Dreams. I tend to more or less agree, but don't count CMU out yet. I haven't seen them play, but from what I hear they are getting hot at the right time. I also don't think Chicago will perform as well as it has been during this second go-around in the UAA. Ratner isn't the toughest place to play, so even though they have home games left against the big 3, I don't think they'll win more than one. Rochester will win there Friday and Deis will likely beat them in two weeks. Wash.U. is a rivalry game and since the Bears boast so many Chicago products on their roster, that season finale might feel more like it was in St. Louis. The Maroons could quite conceivably go 0-3 in those games. I also think Emory is capable of beating UC when UC has to travel to ATL. Chicago will beat Case at on the road and has a very good shot to beat Carnegie Sunday. Somewhere along the way, they'll grab another and finish at a respectable 8-6.

The verdict is far from out on CMU. I think we'll know a lot more about them after this weekend. If they sweep this weekend, they still have a chance, but their remaining schedule is incredibly daunting. At Deis, at Wash.U., at Chicago. Even with a strong finish, I don't seem them finishing better than 8-6, though if they play like they did last weekend, 9-5 isn't altogether out of the picture.

Rochester will lose to Wash.U., but beat Chicago and remain in contention, particularly if CMU can steal one tomorrow night in St. Louis. Still, their schedule is brutal and they haven't played many tough road contests this season. Their loss to Emory is a huge black eye, especially because they lost at home to Chicago. A 2-0 weekend and they are your UAA favorites, an 0-2 weekend and they are done. If they split this weekend and Wash.U. split this weekend, this is a two way race. If Wash.U. takes care of business this weekend and ups their home court winning streak to 28 games with two more wins, it's the Bears title to lose.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2008, 11:17:02 PM
WOW... this page got quiet since last weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 08, 2008, 11:47:10 PM
Wash U looked tentative at the start of their rematch with CMU falling behind 22-12. Late in the first half Danny O'Boyle hit three 3 pointers in a row in the span of a minute and another just before halftime and Wash U led 36-30 at the half. CMU scored the first seven points of the second half and eventually moved out to a six point lead. Then O'Boyle hit three more 3 pointers in a row in less than 90 seconds midway through the half to put Wash U up 57-53 and they never trailed again.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on February 09, 2008, 09:53:16 AM
I watched the Case @ NYU game last night. NYU led by two at the half and the game was close until the final minutes before NYU opened up some breathing room and won 64-54. Keith Jensen, Richie Polan, John Mish and Charlie Parker all played well for the Violets.

Case shot 23% in the second half and 1-14 from downtown for the game. It's not going to be easy for the Spartans to come up with a victory in the UAA this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2008, 11:23:06 AM
Chicago lost a one-point game last night that it should've won, and free throws were the reason. The Maroons only went 7-13 from the charity stripe in the second half, a particularly significant statistic inasmuch as it reflected a team failure with regard to the style of play that they employ. While Rochester has a more static, swing-the-ball halfcourt offense that revolves around the three-point shot and the entry pass to a strong inside player, Chicago has three players (Jake Pancratz, Nate Hainje, and Matt Corning) who are adept at putting the ball on the floor and driving to the rim. A team that uses a lot of penetration, however, is going to need to make its free throws in order to make the possessions count. While both teams shot the ball well in the second half, Chicago squandered several possessions by not getting its requisite points from the FT line, and that ended up doing in the Maroons.

Chicago generally did a good job of defending the low post against Rochester's very solid post players, Uche Ndubizu and Jonathan Onyiriuka, as neither one turned into a dominant force underneath the basket. However, Ndubizu wasn't so easily thwarted; when denied good position, he was able to slide into the lane and hit very effective eight-foot baby hooks. He's exactly what you want in a scoring center, in that he always has a good Plan B when the ball is in his hands with his back to the basket.

Chicago also did a pretty good job of covering the perimeter, but Robert Dominiak and Mike Chmielowiec were able to use their superior range to good effect for the Yellowjackets. When guarded closely at the arc, they simply took their shots from 22 feet out -- and hit them.

Still, Chicago should've won that game; although they never had a secure lead, the Maroons led throughout the last twelve minutes of the first half and the first fifteen minutes of the second half. The fact that a team of his that was shooting about 73% from the line for the season could've bungled a potential win by misfiring on almost half of its free throws must've just driven Mike McGrath nuts.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BoomerIL on February 09, 2008, 12:52:30 PM
Gregory Sager.....

Were you at the game last night?  Your report is right-on target!!!  I do agree that Chicago maybe should have won the game, but I also know that Rochester was in foul trouble with their key guy early in the first few minutes of the game.  Not making those free throws does drive a coach nuts I'm sure.  Look at the Pruitt kid the other night when Illinois played Indiana.

For some reason Rochester has been struggling the last few games.  I do know that while listening to the game, and then the post game interview with Rochester's coach, he said they changed from their normal game sets to give Chicago some different looks as compared to last week.  This may have confused the UR players, although I doubt it since all of these kids a pretty smart.  Just listening to the past few UR games, they just seem to be a little out of sync.  But, it also could be that the competition has gotten better.  Losing to Emory, have though games against Brandeis and Wash. U., and then losing again may have affected them.  Maybe they are getting tired.  My son is on UR's baseball team and their training and practices, plus the rigors of their academic schedules may be starting to take its toll.  The other kids from the other schools are going through the same. I'm sure.

Thanks for the analysis, it was good!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on February 09, 2008, 12:56:26 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2008, 11:23:06 AM
Chicago lost a one-point game last night that it should've won, and free throws were the reason. The Maroons only went 7-13 from the charity stripe in the second half, a particularly significant statistic inasmuch as it reflected a team failure with regard to the style of play that they employ. While Rochester has a more static, swing-the-ball halfcourt offense that revolves around the three-point shot and the entry pass to a strong inside player, Chicago has three players (Jake Pancratz, Nate Hainje, and Matt Corning) who are adept at putting the ball on the floor and driving to the rim. A team that uses a lot of penetration, however, is going to need to make its free throws in order to make the possessions count. While both teams shot the ball well in the second half, Chicago squandered several possessions by not getting its requisite points from the FT line, and that ended up doing in the Maroons.

Chicago generally did a good job of defending the low post against Rochester's very solid post players, Uche Ndubizu and Jonathan Onyiriuka, as neither one turned into a dominant force underneath the basket. However, Ndubizu wasn't so easily thwarted; when denied good position, he was able to slide into the lane and hit very effective eight-foot baby hooks. He's exactly what you want in a scoring center, in that he always has a good Plan B when the ball is in his hands with his back to the basket.

Chicago also did a pretty good job of covering the perimeter, but Robert Dominiak and Mike Chmielowiec were able to use their superior range to good effect for the Yellowjackets. When guarded closely at the arc, they simply took their shots from 22 feet out -- and hit them.

Still, Chicago should've won that game; although they never had a secure lead, the Maroons led throughout the last twelve minutes of the first half and the first fifteen minutes of the second half. The fact that a team of his that was shooting about 73% from the line for the season could've bungled a potential win by misfiring on almost half of its free throws must've just driven Mike McGrath nuts.

Greg, this Top 25 voter is curious how you think Rochester stacks up vs Augustana, Wheaton, and Elmhurst.  (I have seen Chicago.)

Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on February 09, 2008, 04:10:48 PM
A key stretch in last night's game was the final 3:30 of the first half.  Chicago had Rochester on the ropes, having gone on an 18-4 run to take a 28-17 lead.  Mike Neer called timeout, and considering UC had just won at the Palestra 5 days earlier, Rochester had to be wondering at that point if Chicago was simply the better team.  But the Maroons let off the gas somewhat, allowing the Yellowjackets to score the final 7 points of the half.  The score was 28-24 at intermission, which had to do wonders for Rochester's confidence.

That said, we're all singing a different tune about this game if Nate Hainje puts a little more on his 25-foot jumper at the buzzer.  Despite the final miss, Hainje put forth a terrific all-around effort last night.  Playing with a large bandage on his chin, Hainje took an inadvertent elbow to that area in the second half and was in some pain.  However, with Chicago down by 2, he took Jon Onyiriuka to the hoop with :11 remaining, converting a three-point play that could have been the game's defining moment.  Alas, it was not to be.

Greg, do you have any insight as to how Uche Ndubizu got so wide open under the basket for the winning shot with :03?  It appeared to be some sort of press defense breakdown, but it happened so fast I'm not exactly sure what transpired.  Credit the seniors Ndubizu for getting open and Jeffrey Juron for finding Uche under the basket.  Because of that play, it is Rochester, not Chicago, tied with Wash U atop the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 09, 2008, 09:31:57 PM
Quote from: Hoop Dreams on February 09, 2008, 04:10:48 PM
Because of that play, it is Rochester, not Chicago, tied with Wash U atop the UAA.

That play also makes Sundays game even more important than it already was.  If WU wins, they are alone in first and if UR wins, they are effectively 2 games up by going 2-0 against WU on the season (with 5 games to play).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Bba11man on February 10, 2008, 11:52:33 AM
Chicago was switching 5 on that last play---one player did not, a back screen was set at the top of the key and Uche went to the block and two people stayed with the screener leaving him wide open at the block. had it been done correctly for chicago, he would have been guarded by a guard in the post, not an ideal matchup but that's not the goal of the defense, the defense is to prevent any open looks which is exactly what it gave up.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on February 10, 2008, 01:40:46 PM
Who is the Rochester play-by-play guy on WYSL?  I am listening to the Wash U/Rochester game now, and have listened to several Rochester games over the years, and I think he's very good.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ur2004 on February 10, 2008, 01:50:46 PM
Probably JC DeLass - he is very good.  On the other hand, WYSL is coming in scratchy on my computer, so I'm listening to WashU's radio, and it's cyrstal-clear but god-awful.  Constantly comparing guys to Allen Iverson and Reggie Miller, misstating what half it is, how many fouls people have, saying it's an entertaining night game (when they're playing at noon), etc.  Just horrific, even if these guys are students (which I sincerely hope they are, to be sounding this ridiculous)...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on February 10, 2008, 01:52:57 PM
Washington U. up  50-47 over UR with 5:30 remaining.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on February 10, 2008, 02:07:50 PM
Washington U wins 54-53.  UR misses a 3 at the buzzer.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BoomerIL on February 10, 2008, 02:12:37 PM
Not taking anything away from Wash. U., but UR has been playing terrible as of late.  Their "big guy" keeps getting into foul trouble and at times they seem to take some bad shots.  Probably because they have been playing fro behind.  They are pressing too much, and not playing like they have been a few weeks ago.

No sour grapes, just plain disappointed in how they have been playing.  They need to stay out of foul trouble, period!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on February 10, 2008, 04:21:04 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on February 10, 2008, 02:12:37 PM
Not taking anything away from Wash. U., but UR has been playing terrible as of late.  Their "big guy" keeps getting into foul trouble and at times they seem to take some bad shots.  Probably because they have been playing fro behind.  They are pressing too much, and not playing like they have been a few weeks ago.

No sour grapes, just plain disappointed in how they have been playing.  They need to stay out of foul trouble, period!!!!

I have to agree with part of what you stated. They're certainly not the same team that started the year out 14-0. They took control of those games and rarely were tested. In their last 6 games, however they've looked like a different team. The losses to Emory and to Chicago at home were inexcusable and they couldn't even put away Case who was within 6 pts with 2:10 to play. Offensively during this stretch they've averaged 47.8% which would be higher but for the 40.4% they shot in today's game. Their 3 pt. shooting is 39.7%, certainly respectable, and their free throw percentage is 66.6. It would appear on the surface that they need to regain the defensive intensity they exhibited earlier in the season. During their 14 game winning streak they gave up an average of 57.5 pts per game. In their last 6 contests the opponents have scored an average of 69.3. Foul problems did hurt them in the Emory game as Ndubizu only played 16 mins. and fouled out, but it was Emory, a team they should beat without one of their bigs. In the Chicago game that they lost, Onyiriuka got 2 quick fouls and was on the bench with 13+ mins. left in the 1st half. But they were only down 2 at the half and he played almost all of the 2nd half. Don't think foul trouble was the problem there. Today against Washington U. Onyiriuka again in foul trouble early but in crunch time he played the last 8 mins. of the game. Today's game appeared to be a defensive battle and Rochester only shooting 9 for 24 in the 2nd half cost them. Ruths & Nading for Wash. U outscored Ndubizu & Onyiriuka 28 to 12. That was the difference.     
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BoomerIL on February 10, 2008, 04:51:38 PM
magicman....

They have looked like a different team, that's for sure!  They definitely have to tighten-up defensively.  Late in the game Friday against Chicago, they went to a zone defense.  I just wonder if at certain other times during a game they might try doing the same thing again.  Mix it up!!  Their normal pressure defense hasn't been working lately, or at least until someone gets into foul trouble.  It has been kind of surprising though that since the Emory loss, they have not played well.  I would like to think that they can handle adversity, but also lately they have even had trouble scoring.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 10, 2008, 08:56:20 PM
The Emory game was not at home, it was in Atlanta, so perhaps a bit more excusable than if it were at the Palestra.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BoomerIL on February 10, 2008, 09:54:33 PM
ILive4This....

Maybe so!  It's always tougher when on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 11, 2008, 03:27:49 AM
Quote from: Hoop Dreams on February 09, 2008, 04:10:48 PM
A key stretch in last night's game was the final 3:30 of the first half.  Chicago had Rochester on the ropes, having gone on an 18-4 run to take a 28-17 lead.  Mike Neer called timeout, and considering UC had just won at the Palestra 5 days earlier, Rochester had to be wondering at that point if Chicago was simply the better team.  But the Maroons let off the gas somewhat, allowing the Yellowjackets to score the final 7 points of the half.  The score was 28-24 at intermission, which had to do wonders for Rochester's confidence.

Good point, HD.

Quote from: Hoop Dreams on February 09, 2008, 04:10:48 PMThat said, we're all singing a different tune about this game if Nate Hainje puts a little more on his 25-foot jumper at the buzzer.  Despite the final miss, Hainje put forth a terrific all-around effort last night.  Playing with a large bandage on his chin, Hainje took an inadvertent elbow to that area in the second half and was in some pain.

That wasn't why Hainje left the game in pain. After he got poleaxed by that inadvertent Onyiriuka elbow at the 14:07 mark of the second half, Hainje crumpled to the floor right underneath the basket ... and when the ball came down through the net after Onyiriuka's layup it fell right on the prone Hainje's groin. He was helped to his feet and spent a couple of minutes doubled over in agony behind the Rochester bench. He couldn't even make it to his own bench.

I watched the rest of the second half with my legs crossed. :(

I've been critical of Hainje's antics in the past, but I love to watch him play. He only has one speed, and that's all-out. Plus, his moxie is starting to grow on me a little. On Friday after he'd mildly protested a foul called on him by veteran referee Ken Falkner, Hainje grinned and patted Falkner on the butt as he trotted downcourt. Ol' Kenny would whistle a T on his own mother if she ever showed him up on the court, but all Falkner did was smile. I think that the refs that do U of C games have figured out that Nate's basically harmless.


Quote from: Titan Q on February 09, 2008, 12:56:26 PMGreg, this Top 25 voter is curious how you think Rochester stacks up vs Augustana, Wheaton, and Elmhurst.  (I have seen Chicago.)

Thanks.

Shave Brent Ruch's and Jared Hintzsche's heads, lock 'em into tanning beds and turn the dial to "max", and people would have a hard time noticing if you switched Elmhurst's and Rochester's jerseys. They're extremely similar: Both have a dominant big man and an effective sidekick; both have a great deep shooter and an effective spot-up shooter with whom he works in tandem (Burks and Ryder for Elmhurst, Dominiak and Chmielowiec for Rochester); both teams mix up their defenses well but are prone to spells of failing to stop penetration; and neither team has a penetrator of its own. The key differences are that Rochester has a much more stable PG situation than does Elmhurst (Jeff Juron is a steady hand for the Yellowjackets, and St. Ignatius product Max Kaplan is a strong backup), and I think that Burks and Ruch can do a little more for the 'jays than Ndubizu and Dominiak can do for the 'jackets. But they're extremely similar in composition, and comparable in overall team ability.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on February 11, 2008, 04:40:32 AM
Quote from: ILive4This on February 10, 2008, 08:56:20 PM
The Emory game was not at home, it was in Atlanta, so perhaps a bit more excusable than if it were at the Palestra.

I didn't say to Emory at home. I knew it was on the road. I don't think when you are the #1 team in the country as UR was at the time, you go on the road and lose to a team near the bottom of the standings. #1 teams aren't supposed to do that. I guess that's why they are no longer #1. No disrespect intended, heck I'm rooting for them since they are a N.Y. team and I live in upstate N.Y. I just think they've let some games slip away that they should have won. Hopefully it's a wake up call and come stretch time we'll see the team that ran off 14 in a row rather than the team that's 3-3 in the past 6 games. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on February 11, 2008, 07:04:08 AM
We should also remember that in that 3-3 record are wins over what were the #2 and #1 teams in the country at the time.  I am mentally exhusted from watching/listening to the games the last 3 weeks.  The UAA is an INSANE league.  The loss to Emory was 1000 miles from home and in OT.  The loss to Chicago was after one of the most intense games I've ever seen (Wash U didn't fare so well in their next game) and was "avenged" in their next game.  The loss to Wash U was in St. Louis where Wash U has not lost in 2 years and was by 1 point in a game UR led most of the way.

I am with you Magic - I root for NY teams - and I agree UR may be off a little bit currently.  I do remember thinking early in the season that UR needed to finish their games better.  RIT for example was a 16 point game at the half, but the lead shrunk to 3-4 in the second before UR won by 10.  Several early games followed that same pattern.  The trouble is, there is not a SUNYIT, Morrisville, New Paltz, Cazenovia etc in the UAA to get well with.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BoomerIL on February 11, 2008, 10:08:29 AM
Gregory Sager...magicman...Jacketfan2011.....

Great feedback!!  I guess we are all seeing/hearing the same things when UR is playing.  I can't imagine how hard it must be to play in a "hostile" environment when on the road.  I only wish I could have been at The Chicago game this past Friday.

Maybe they will get these not so good showings out of their systems and re-group before the season ends.  How do you all see them when it comes to the post-season?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on February 11, 2008, 10:25:06 AM
Lord knows, they shouldn't be afraid of a close game.  They have a number of guys willing to take the big shot and they have been pretty successful.  If MC's last second shot falls yesterday I don't think anyone at UR would have been shocked.  However, I firmly believe that the team goes as JO goes.  Not sure what is going on inside his head (maybe senior pressure of graduation/real world/grad school) but he, more than anyone, seems to be pressing.  Uche, Juron, Dominiak, MC, and the reserves all seem to be doing their jobs but JO is a half beat off.  If he regains the confidence and dominance of earlier in the year, I think this team has a nice run in the tournament.  If not, they are still a very good team but there is less room for error.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on February 11, 2008, 12:22:32 PM
Personally (and yes, I'm biased)...I think we should just stop the season now and have a 3rd Wash U-Rochester game on a neutral court for the national championship.  I wonder if there's any way we can even top the first two!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BoomerIL on February 11, 2008, 12:26:03 PM
Jackertfan2011....

I think your right.  He may be pressing too much.  Maybe he should just try and relax and let the game come to him, as one might say.  I think that when all of the Jackets are playing like they can, no one can stop them.  I know that's a pretty bold statement considering the other teams that are out there in DIII, but if they can control the boards, or have a dominating presence in the paint, they could end finishing on top.

Go Jackets!!!  Sting'um Rocky!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on February 11, 2008, 12:31:13 PM
If Wash U and UR play again, they had best pass out tranqs at the door.  I swear, since the Chase, UR has been in some intense games that has my usualy low BP through the roof.

Even without JO, Uche is an above average post, from what I've seen.  With JO playing to his potential, they are a scary post team.

As for the new mascot, sorry, but I gotta call him 'Chester!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on February 11, 2008, 11:36:27 PM
Quote from: BoomerIL on February 11, 2008, 10:08:29 AM
Gregory Sager...magicman...Jacketfan2011.....

Great feedback!!  I guess we are all seeing/hearing the same things when UR is playing.  I can't imagine how hard it must be to play in a "hostile" environment when on the road.  I only wish I could have been at The Chicago game this past Friday.

Maybe they will get these not so good showings out of their systems and re-group before the season ends.  How do you all see them when it comes to the post-season?

Boomer,

I think they've got the talent to go deep into the post-season, however so much of Div.III tournament play depends on the luck of the draw. You are almost always playing a big game on somebody else's home court, unless you're lucky enough to get to host.  And lets face it, there are a number of teams from weak conferences that get their automatic bids and become fodder for one of the better NCAA teams. A perfect example was last year when St. John Fisher hosted the first round games in our region. UR played Plattsburgh St. in the first game Fri. night and we all remember the basket at the buzzer that gave Plattsburgh the win. Fisher then got to play a 4th place team from the Commonwealth Coast Conference that came in with a 17-12 record in a weak conference. Fisher had the game in hand by halftime and most of their starters were sitting comfortably on the bench for the rest of that mismatch. No matter who they played on Sat. night, UR or Plattsburgh, they were going to be the fresher team with home court advantage. Again, they were the lucky ones.

This year it's entirely possible that UR and Plattsburgh St. will meet up yet again in the NCAA's. I just hope that both teams are lucky and don't have to face each other until maybe the round of 16. Because I feel that they are both good enough to get that far, and one of them gets to the great 8. But if this year's luck is like last year's they'll probably meet in the 1st round on Fisher's court because they'll get lucky and win the Empire 8 tournament and be awarded the 1st round games again.  :D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 12, 2008, 03:34:47 AM
Post-season matchups are only so much of an excuse. As the old adage goes, "to be the best, you've gotta [eventually] beat the best." If your goal is a national title, then it doesn't matter who you play or when you play them. All that matters is winning. I understand your frustration and wish that the rules were a bit more like the D1 tourney, but since they're not, there isnt much we can do about it. Not to mention that in most years, any team from upsate New York has it way easier than a team in the midwest. Think about it. Wash.U. had to beat a top 15 ( I think they were 11th at the time) team in Whitworth just to get out of the opening weekend last year. Then they had to travel 8 hours to Stevens Point to beat  no.1 Stevens Point in the sweet 16 and Hope in the elite eight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on February 12, 2008, 05:36:24 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 12, 2008, 03:34:47 AM
Post-season matchups are only so much of an excuse. As the old adage goes, "to be the best, you've gotta [eventually] beat the best." If your goal is a national title, then it doesn't matter who you play or when you play them. All that matters is winning. I understand your frustration and wish that the rules were a bit more like the D1 tourney, but since they're not, there isnt much we can do about it. Not to mention that in most years, any team from upsate New York has it way easier than a team in the midwest. Think about it. Wash.U. had to beat a top 15 ( I think they were 11th at the time) team in Whitworth just to get out of the opening weekend last year. Then they had to travel 8 hours to Stevens Point to beat  no.1 Stevens Point in the sweet 16 and Hope in the elite eight.

Marty,
Good points.  Washington U. had a heck of a run last year. Just better or easier to beat the best on your home court rather than theirs.  Eventually if you are good enough and lucky enough you get to that neutral site. And I'm not really frustrated I've been around long enough to know the ins and outs of DIII hoops. I do believe that luck is part of the equation. Why just the other day Washington U. was lucky that last second shot by Chmielowiec rimmed out at the buzzer.  ;) That could have just as easily been for a berth in the Final Four.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: walzy31 on February 12, 2008, 09:14:44 AM
I hear that Chmielowiec doesn't miss?

Do you think this is the year Rochester is finally awarded home court for the Sweet 16 / Elite 8? Or will they be sent packing to UMass Dartmouth or Amherst like the 2005 season when they finished 2nd?

I will agree with Marty's point about the degree of difficulty in reaching the final four based on which regional bracket you start in. Wash U played tough games every round. I will add that the toughest first round game last year was played between Brandeis and Trinity. The rest of the North East region was not packed with said national contenders.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 14, 2008, 01:57:43 AM
I have refrained from talking about this on here, but since it is not public, I will state that Steve Deluca is officially out for the season. HOWEVER, he announced that he plans on applying for a medical hardship waiver (which he should get since he has appeared in well under the 20% minimum games, none of which were in the 2nd half of the season) AND should be back at Brandeis for the 2008-2009 season.

That means a line up of Deluca, Hollins, K. Olsen, Andre Roberson and _______ perhaps Christian Yemga will be ready to make a splash.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pradam on February 14, 2008, 05:21:19 PM
Yo, it is public.

DeLuca (http://media.www.thejusticeonline.com/media/storage/paper573/news/2008/02/12/Sports/Mbball.Deluca.Says.Hell.Return.Next.Season-3203238.shtml)

So don't feel bad about discussing it.



Modified for formatting -- Thanks for the link.  +1, Ralph Turner
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 14, 2008, 05:33:35 PM
I think the 'not public' was a typo for 'now public', which is why he posted when he did.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pradam on February 14, 2008, 06:01:54 PM
Ahh, that would explain it.

My bad.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pradam on February 14, 2008, 06:03:16 PM
Although I will add that it would be nice for people to post links from where they hear new pieces of information, just for verification.

Sorry for the double post.  Carry on.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2008, 08:58:34 PM
Halftime score: at CWRU 41, WashU 32!

Don't you just love conference games involving the bottom of the conference!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2008, 09:40:42 PM
Case by 5, 66-61; 2:34 left.  Case ball with 33 secs on the shot clock.
CWRU Hildebrand makes a 1&1.  68-63.
W -- Ruths lay up . Case 68-65 1:14 left.
C -- has the ball with 34 secs left and 33 on the shot clock. Possession arrow to Case as well.
C-- Hildebrand misses 2 FT's.
W -- Ruths at the line, makes both 0:19.3, Case 68-67
C -- Ruths steals the ball. Bear ball, 14.2 left and time out.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 15, 2008, 09:45:45 PM
Roch v Brandeis score anyway?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 15, 2008, 09:47:53 PM
Brandeis wins 68-64
CMU wins 68-60

Case up on Wash by 3 with the ball with about 30 seconds left

Not sure about Chicago-Emory
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 15, 2008, 09:51:45 PM
Can you believe that turnover Ralph?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2008, 09:53:37 PM
Hildebrand's missing the FT's really hurt!

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 15, 2008, 09:56:20 PM
I cant believe how that game ended.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 15, 2008, 09:57:12 PM
UNREAL!!!! BEARS PULL IT OUT WITH AN 8-0 RUN IN GAME'S FINAL 34 SECONDS TO PLAY! CLUTCHEST TEAM IN AMERICA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 15, 2008, 09:59:42 PM
Point 1: Look at who they are playing (CWRU is 0-10 in the UAA)

Point 2: They got alot of help (Missed FTs, TOs, they even had a few calls go their way).



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: buf on February 15, 2008, 10:01:27 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 15, 2008, 09:57:12 PM
UNREAL!!!! BEARS PULL IT OUT WITH AN 8-0 RUN IN GAME'S FINAL 34 SECONDS TO PLAY! CLUTCHEST TEAM IN AMERICA.

I don't know about clutch.  They got a lot of help from Western in the final 30sec.  Two missed FTs and a bone head inbounds play gave an assist to the Wash U comeback.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2008, 10:07:13 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 15, 2008, 09:59:42 PM
Point 1: Look at who they are playing (CWRU is 0-10 in the UAA)

Point 2: They got alot of help (Missed FTs, TOs, they even had a few calls go their way).
I thought so, too.  Case deserved free throws on the "mugged" lay-up attempt.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 15, 2008, 10:14:49 PM
While I very much enjoy the movie Blue Chips, staring Nick Nolte, Shaq and Penny Hardaway, I do not think I have ever heard CWRU referred to as Western before.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 15, 2008, 10:18:11 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2008, 10:07:13 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 15, 2008, 09:59:42 PM
Point 1: Look at who they are playing (CWRU is 0-10 in the UAA)

Point 2: They got alot of help (Missed FTs, TOs, they even had a few calls go their way).
I thought so, too.  Case deserved free throws on the "mugged" lay-up attempt.

If you didnt watch the game, what Ralph is referring to is when Steve Young stole a pass with about 70 seconds to play and went up for a layup on the fast break.  He was body-checked to about four feet under the hoop but no foul was called and, instead of going up 7, WashU passed the ball up the floor and got a layup to cut the Case lead to 3.  Case was then missed 2 FTS. From there, since all of CWRUs big men had fouled out (the last one fouling out on a questionable illegal screen call with about two minutes to play), WashU dumped it down to Ruths and got 2FTs.  Then Case had a bonehead 50 foot inbounds pass that was intercepted with about 15 seconds left.  WashU again dumped it to Ruths and got 2 FTs to go up 1.  Case missed a desperation runner, fouled (+2FTs for WashU) and then missed a last second 3 pointer to send it to OT.

In summation, they got really really luck.  But I do give them credit for making their FTs (Case could not).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 15, 2008, 10:19:26 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on February 15, 2008, 10:14:49 PM
While I very much enjoy the movie Blue Chips, staring Nick Nolte, Shaq and Penny Hardaway, I do not think I have ever heard CWRU referred to as Western before.

I think they were wearing throwback Jerseys tonight that had "Western Reserve" on the front. That may be why.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 15, 2008, 10:24:45 PM
Chicago wins at Emory 87-73.  Always nice to go down to Atlanta in the winter (winning is good too).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 15, 2008, 10:40:41 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 15, 2008, 09:57:12 PM
UNREAL!!!! BEARS PULL IT OUT WITH AN 8-0 RUN IN GAME'S FINAL 34 SECONDS TO PLAY! CLUTCHEST TEAM IN AMERICA.

Also, the 8-0 run was in the last 74 seconds, not 34. They did go on a 6-0 run in the last 19 seconds, however (from down 3 to up 3, all FTs).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 15, 2008, 11:20:22 PM
Unfortunate loss tonight for case, as they would have finally picked up a league win, and created a three-way tie atop the conference, albeit, WASH U would still win the conference off tie breakers, if the season ended tonight. Lets take a look at how the rest of the season could pan out.

As of right now w/ tie breaks:

Wash 8-2
Chicago 7-3
Deis 7-3
UR 6-4
NYU 5-5
CMU 4-6
Emory 3-7
Case 0-10

IF wash and chicago both win out till their season ending matchup AND chicago wins, they tie on top of the league each with 11-3 records. that would mean they both sweep brandeis again, assuming they win all other games. They would be 9-5, if rochester can avenge the loss to emory, and defeat CMU again (win out) they pass over deis and end at 10-4. Brandeis can tie wash u at 11-3 if they win in st louis and their other 3 games and wash u beats chicago again. if chicago wins that game but looses to brandeis, assuming brandeis wins the wash u game. Deis finishes 11-3, wash u finishes 10-4 and chicago finishes 10-4. I could be wrong but barring big upsets, Rochester is statistically out of the race. This would mean Brandeis losses to CMU or NYU  both at home. Or Case/Emory victories AT wash u or chicago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on February 16, 2008, 12:40:59 AM
Quote from: ILive4This on February 15, 2008, 11:20:22 PM
Or Case/Emory victories AT wash u or chicago.

This part is wrong...Wash U plays at Emory Sunday and Chicago plays at Case on Sunday.  Each of them then end their season at home against NYU/Brandeis next weekend followed by a Wash U at Chicago game.

I don't know how this affects the rest of the analysis (probably not much at all).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 16, 2008, 02:05:45 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 15, 2008, 10:19:26 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on February 15, 2008, 10:14:49 PM
While I very much enjoy the movie Blue Chips, staring Nick Nolte, Shaq and Penny Hardaway, I do not think I have ever heard CWRU referred to as Western before.

I think they were wearing throwback Jerseys tonight that had "Western Reserve" on the front. That may be why.
But WRU was always known as Reserve.  Hence the R in the center circle.

This is also why most of us cringe when we hear "Case Western."
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: NYBB on February 16, 2008, 02:23:09 AM
Jared Kildare was the best!  Too bad he's not playing for NYU anymore...those games were good with him in the lineup.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on February 16, 2008, 09:34:04 AM
I saw CMU beat NYU last night. It was close from the start, but Carnegie got the job done in crunch time to pick up the win.

What are the tiebreakers used in the UAA?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BoomerIL on February 16, 2008, 11:43:59 AM
Rochester has taken themselves out of contention by being lousy at the free-throw line.  Their brutal!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 16, 2008, 03:28:31 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 16, 2008, 09:34:04 AM
I saw CMU beat NYU last night. It was close from the start, but Carnegie got the job done in crunch time to pick up the win.

What are the tiebreakers used in the UAA?

If a champion cannot be determined by won-loss percentage, co-champions shall be declared and the representative to NCAA post-season competition determined by the following criteria, applied to regularly-scheduled Association games:
1) Best record in head-to-head UAA competition between the co-champions;
2) Best record in head-to-head UAA competition between the co-champions and the subsequent finishers competing in the full schedule in descending order until a representative is determined;
3) Best record in UAA road games against teams competing in the full schedule;
4) If this process fails to determine a representative, the representative to NCAA post season competition shall be determined by a coin flip administered by the Executive Secretary.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 16, 2008, 06:38:30 PM
Yeah my bad, just erase the emory/case part of my analysis, I knew something was weird with that. Replace CASE/EMORY with NYU, as I have already mentioned Brandeis in it. Rochester would be aided by winning out, and then Wash U and Chicago swept at home by DEIS/NYU and then would need NYU to beat Brandeis IN waltham.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2008, 02:07:38 AM
Quote from: cwru70 on February 16, 2008, 02:05:45 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 15, 2008, 10:19:26 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on February 15, 2008, 10:14:49 PM
While I very much enjoy the movie Blue Chips, staring Nick Nolte, Shaq and Penny Hardaway, I do not think I have ever heard CWRU referred to as Western before.

I think they were wearing throwback Jerseys tonight that had "Western Reserve" on the front. That may be why.
But WRU was always known as Reserve.  Hence the R in the center circle.

This is also why most of us cringe when we hear "Case Western."

You're the only one I ever heard from. And when we switched to Case Western Reserve, I got a hate e-mail from someone on the other side. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: NYBB on February 17, 2008, 02:20:39 AM
see ya'all at the coles center at noon!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rhodes Scholar on February 17, 2008, 09:28:36 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 16, 2008, 03:28:31 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 16, 2008, 09:34:04 AM
I saw CMU beat NYU last night. It was close from the start, but Carnegie got the job done in crunch time to pick up the win.

What are the tiebreakers used in the UAA?

If a champion cannot be determined by won-loss percentage, co-champions shall be declared and the representative to NCAA post-season competition determined by the following criteria, applied to regularly-scheduled Association games:
1) Best record in head-to-head UAA competition between the co-champions;
2) Best record in head-to-head UAA competition between the co-champions and the subsequent finishers competing in the full schedule in descending order until a representative is determined;
3) Best record in UAA road games against teams competing in the full schedule;
4) If this process fails to determine a representative, the representative to NCAA post season competition shall be determined by a coin flip administered by the Executive Secretary.

Thanks for the tiebreaker info. Looks like it may come into play this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 17, 2008, 10:22:48 AM
Pat

The sample size of commentary on this site from CWRU is rather small.  ;)
Just at the time you made the switch the university was undergoing a branding campaign emphasizing "Case."  Perhaps the response you got was from someone wanting you to use "Case."  That president has since departed and that emphasis changed.  The federation occurred in 1967, so the youngest of us who attended Reserve will turn 60 this year.

From the university's identity page [the link doesn't sem to be working on my computer], Case Western Reserve University is preferred in formal usage for the first mention and Case thereafter.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2008, 11:30:47 AM
It wasn't. It was deploring our use of Case.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2008, 11:47:45 AM
I could make a case for...

...never mind... not worth trying that hard for a joke!   ;D

Now... I am curious... how many people are interested in the UAA having a conference tournament to determine the AQ?

The UAA is the only conference remaining that doesn't have a touranment. However, this season has certainly shown that a tournament may be one of the more exciting ways of ending a season in this conference. I had a few ideas, but not sure what anyone thought.

Idea #1 - Rotate the sites through the schools each year, so everyone gets the chance to host. Have all 8 teams qualify and place it at the final weekend of the season - a Friday, Saturday, Sunday tourney. You can either have the men's and women's at the same place, but I rather like the idea that the men's tournament is at one school, the women's tournament at a school somewhere else in the country.

Idea #2 - Same as above, but only the top 4 teams travel. This way you could also host both the men's and the women's tournament.

Idea #3 - Still the top 4, but the #1 seed is the host. I like this idea for the top 4 and awarding the #1 seed. However, the disadvantage is that it requires a lot of last minute planning - especially in a season like this year where that regular season champion may not be decided until the final game.

Idea #4 - This is, of course, the simple one. No Tournament!

Just curious!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 17, 2008, 02:38:46 PM
Wash.U. survives a scare, wins in OT 78-71. Rochester falls in double OT to NYU. Deis narrowly defeats Carnegie. Chicago blows out Case. With 5 losses, Rochester is statistically eliminated, I believe. Wash.U. Deis on Friday could be the game of the year and determine the league champ.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2008, 02:57:33 PM
From the perspective of the UAA, no tourney!

The UAA has the best of all worlds.  Each school can build its non-conference schedule with in-region games to its advantage.  The rules favor the UAA as much as any other conference.  The UAA schools represent all four of the Administrative Regions.  The sophisticated coach can create a schedule that takes advantage of the criteria.

I think that the UAA schools would add another (possibly disabling) loss to one of its Pool C candidates at least 2 years out of five that they had a tourney.  Let's see how many Pool C bids the UAA earns this year.  Then, recalculate the numbers with one more (tourney) loss to the Pool C teams.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 17, 2008, 06:54:14 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 17, 2008, 02:38:46 PM
Wash.U. survives a scare, wins in OT 78-71. Rochester falls in double OT to NYU. Deis narrowly defeats Carnegie. Chicago blows out Case. With 5 losses, Rochester is statistically eliminated, I believe. Wash.U. Deis on Friday could be the game of the year and determine the league champ.

Dont forget about Chicago/Brandeis and Chicago/WashU.  Dont forget that Chicago is 8-3 also.  Currently, among the top 3, Brandeis has lost to both Chicago and WashU, while WashU beat Chicago in their first meeting.

In terms of the tiebreakers, here is my analysis of the last 3 games.  Chicago has to win the WashU game to have a chance (a loss would result in a season sweep) and Brandeis really has to win both at Washu and at Chicago (a loss against either team would result in a season sweep and kill them in the tiebreakers).  The Chicago/WashU weeekend road sweep is an extremely difficult accomplishment.  If I am not mistaken, it has only been done once on the men's side, when CMU did it to set up a "championship" game against UR in the 2004 season (which they lost). WashU has played poorly this weekend and barely won two games against the bottom two teams in the conference, so if they continue to play poorly, Brandeis has a better chance of pulling off the sweep. 

Chicago has a nice advantage in that each of its final 3 games are at home, WashU has 2 of 3 at home (play Chicago on the road) and Brandeis only has 1 of 3 at home (both WashU and Chicago on the road).

Scenarios (assuming NYU loses all 3 games, obviously this is not a given, since NYU has shown the can upset teams, but they play all 3 of these games on the road and if I dont make this assumption there are way too many possibilities to outline all of them, also note that this will make UR the most likely team to finish 4th in the conference):

Outright possibilities:
WashU wins both games (Chicago v. Brandeis result doesnt matter):  WashU wins conference.

WashU beats Brandeis and loses to Chicago, Brandeis beats Chicago:  WashU wins conference

Brandeis beats WashU, WashU beats Chicago, and Chicago beats Brandeis: WashU wins conferences.

Chicago beats WashU and Brandeis, WashU loses to Brandeis: Chicago wins conference

Brandeis beats WashU and Chicago, WashU loses to Chicago: Brandeis wins conference

Tiebreaker possibilities:
WashU beats Brandeis and loses to Chicago, Chicago beats Brandeis: Chicago and WashU tied at 11-3:  (in this case they will also tie for the 2nd tiebreaker):  Chicago wins conference on 3rd tiebreaker (WashU would have 3 road losses and Chicago would only have 2)

Brandeis beats WashU and Chicago, WashU beats Chicago: (WashU and Brandeis are tied at 11-3):  WashU wins on second tiebreaker due to season sweep of Chicago (and season split with Brandeis).

So of the 8 possibilities (note the WashU sweep counts as 2 because then the Chicago/Brandeis result doesnt matter), WashU wins on 5 scenarios, Chicago wins on 2 and Brandeis wins only on 1.  Note that this analysis only holds if NYU loses on the road in its final 3 games. 

So in terms of tiebreakers, Chicago holds the tiebreaker against WashU, and WashU holds the tiebreaker against Brandeis.  Therefore, Brandeis needs to sweep and Chicago to beat WashU to win the conference outright (the cant win in a tiebreak situation). 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 17, 2008, 07:28:41 PM
The distances between the schools would make it dificult for supporters to travel to tournament games.   
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 17, 2008, 08:47:50 PM
I for see an NYU victory at Chicago as a possible mix, however this is the most probable win in my opinion of the final three games for the violets, and even this is not all that likely.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: NYBB on February 17, 2008, 09:40:30 PM
NYU v. U of R game report :

I was at the Coles Center today for the game and what a game it was.

It was close going to halftime, with U of R playing slightly better ball in the first.  Onyiruka (my bad for spelling) had a monster break away slam in the first and in my opinion, showed me that he might be one of the best bigs in D3.

In the 2nd half, it looked like U of R was going to pull away and win it.  They went up 13 and NYU just didn't have it but...Senior Charlie Parker showed a LOT OF GUTS and several big shots, including two HUGE game tying FT's to send the game into the first OT.

The first OT seemed like U of R's...they went up 7 and NYU was flat but once again, the Violets fought back and got a 3-pointer with 2.8 seconds left to send the game to 2 OT.  This period, NYU finally took control, with U of R missing practically all of their shot oppurtunities and NYU breaking the press with a full court pass/dunk.  It was a great game and NYU deserved the win!  Great joB!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 17, 2008, 09:54:22 PM
NYU may have literally just knocked the Yellow Jackets out of the NCAA tournament, talk about your bubble bursters
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2008, 09:59:04 PM
Rochester made the tournament last year at 18-7. Hard to think they wouldn't this year at 20-5 if they won out.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 17, 2008, 10:09:18 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on February 17, 2008, 09:54:22 PM
NYU may have literally just knocked the Yellow Jackets out of the NCAA tournament, talk about your bubble bursters

I dont think so, I think if Rochester sweeps the rest of the season (Case and Emory at home, CMU on the road), they will be in.  Brandeis wasnt a bad loss, neither was Chicago (although it was at home) or WashU on the road.  Their only "bad" losses are at Emory and at NYU (both road conference games in OT or 2OT).  They only have one loss at home and although they will probably finish 4th in the UAA, the UAA may get in all 4 of those teams because they are in different regions.  All 4 will have very high rpi/SOS/qowi or whatever is used.  Chicago is in the worst situation of the four top teams with 7 losses and most likely need to win the conference to get in.  Brandeis and WashU both only have four losses and Rochester has 5.  If you look at the top 10 teams in the country, most of the teams have 1 or 2 "bad" or unexpected losses in conference.  Augustana also has 5 losses, who is tied with IWU (who has 8 losses) at the top of the CCIW.  

The fact that most of Brandeis/WashU/Rochester's losses are against top 10 teams (aka eachother) will definitely help them.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 17, 2008, 10:12:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2008, 09:59:04 PM
Rochester made the tournament last year at 18-7. Hard to think they wouldn't this year at 20-5 if they won out.

Needless to say, i agree with Pat.  Rochester has two worst teams in the UAA at home next week and then play at CMU the following weekend.  They will likely finish 20-5.

Pat, what are your thoughts on Chicago's chances at 18-7 or 17-8 if they finish second in the UAA?
-5 of 7 of their losses are against teams with 6 or fewer losses and the other two are against 8 loss teams (Trinity TX and CMU).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: NYBB on February 17, 2008, 10:12:31 PM
I like Rochester as a team and i really like the way their coach worked them but for real...aside from those two potential D1 big men, they're not an amazingly good team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 18, 2008, 02:34:36 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2008, 09:59:04 PM
Rochester made the tournament last year at 18-7. Hard to think they wouldn't this year at 20-5 if they won out.

Exactly. Plus, Rochester has the great advantage of being in the East Region, the red-headed stepchild of D3's eight evaluation regions. Rochester's currently #1 in that region. And don't forget that the Yellowjackets sport a win over the current East Region #3 team, Brockport State.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: realplayer on February 19, 2008, 09:46:43 AM
Speaking of Rochester, any opinions on why Seth Hauben is not on the All-Decade Team?  Being a four-time All-Conference selection and two-time NABC All-American you would think statistics alone would be better than some of the guys that got selected.  Throw in two Final Four appearances and holding the D3 Final Four single game rebounding record as a frosh (18) before Jeff Gibbs played out of his mind (grabbed 25 the following day) and you have a pretty valid argument.  This isn't a petition I was just wondering the voter's opinion.  Thoughts??
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2008, 10:05:58 AM
The NABC All-American team didn't really weigh in our decision-making process.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: realplayer on February 19, 2008, 10:14:03 AM
Understandable.  In your opinion, do you think Hauben put up a better career than some of the forwards listed?  Also, how in the world is Adam Dauksas selected ahead of Michael Crotty?  I know the CCIW is a strong conference but his Illinois Weslyan teams failed to meet expectations every year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2008, 10:35:59 AM
Great question on those two, no doubt ... but I don't know how much IWU "failed to meet expectations every year." It's a little easier for Williams to advance in the tournament than IWU, remember.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on February 19, 2008, 06:02:42 PM
I posted this on the baseball board but thought some of the hoop fans would find it interesting:

Chicago cannot participate in the UAA baseball tournament because it has final exams at the same time - I think it is the only UAA school on quarters.  This year, they will be doing something a bit more adventurous than their usual spring trip - the week after the UAA championship.  The Maroons are heading off to Japan.

They will play Waseda University for the first time since 1936.   At the invitation of Waseda, the Maroons will take on the 2007 Japanese college baseball champions at the Hiroshima City Stadium on Mar. 23, the Osaka Dome on Mar. 24, and the Seibu Dome in Tokyo on Mar. 25 as part of the university's 125th anniversary celebration.

You can read the press release  here. (http://athletics.uchicago.edu/news0708/bb-waseda-021408.htm)

Here are some pics from Waseda's 1921 visit to Chicago. (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=25550)

A bit politically incorrect of the New York Times, but it was 1915. (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9F05EEDB133FE233A25756C2A96F9C946496D6CF) Headline: 20,000 JAPS SEE BALL GAME.; University of Chicago Defeats Waseda at Tokio, 5 to 3.

A lot on the web - just search baseball, waseda, chicago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 20, 2008, 12:42:46 AM
Quote from: NYBB on February 17, 2008, 10:12:31 PM
I like Rochester as a team and i really like the way their coach worked them but for real...aside from those two potential D1 big men, they're not an amazingly good team.

Ok I disagree with a few things, first I am not so certain their big men are D1 talent, maybe as a combo, but Nbizu is just not an all around good player, he shoots like 30 percent from the line, not exactly d1 numbers.

Also I think the best player on that team is Rob Dominiak (sorry i KNOW i am misspelling stuff, but its late and i dont feel like looking everything up right now). He shoots lights out even with hands all up in his grill, and with his left wrist wrapped up this past weekend, at least with pre-wrap (i do not know if he does this usually or not).

As a side note what does everyone think for the all conference teams this year I have to think the Judges will get atleast Joe Coppens on in a 2 or 3 spot.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 20, 2008, 12:55:48 AM
Quote from: ILive4This on February 20, 2008, 12:42:46 AM
Quote from: NYBB on February 17, 2008, 10:12:31 PM
I like Rochester as a team and i really like the way their coach worked them but for real...aside from those two potential D1 big men, they're not an amazingly good team.

Ok I disagree with a few things, first I am not so certain their big men are D1 talent, maybe as a combo, but Nbizu is just not an all around good player, he shoots like 30 percent from the line, not exactly d1 numbers.
Also I think the best player on that team is Rob Dominiak (sorry i KNOW i am misspelling stuff, but its late and i dont feel like looking everything up right now). He shoots lights out even with hands all up in his grill, and with his left wrist wrapped up this past weekend, at least with pre-wrap (i do not know if he does this usually or not).

As a side note what does everyone think for the all conference teams this year I have to think the Judges will get atleast Joe Coppens on in a 2 or 3 spot.

Hey, forget d1, those are NBA (Shaq, Ben Wallace) numbers! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2008, 01:14:06 AM
Actually, you got Rob Dominiak. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: NYBB on February 20, 2008, 02:20:46 AM
Let me give everyone a little detail on Rob Dominiak.  Rob went to Birch Wathen Lenox, a school never known for its athletics, on East 77th street in Manhattan.  BWL was a division 2 ISAL (independent school athletic league) team for its entire existence until in the 2001-2002 season when they went undefeated in league play with only 3 losses out of league to propel them into the ISAL division 1.  (they beat my HS team this year by 35 points but l.et me just add that my HS team has basically turned into what their team was, going undefeated in ISAL d2 play this season and is 14-4 overall.)

In 2002-2003, the BWL team, led by Senior Jason Grauer (Tufts 07') and juniors Rob Dominiak & Marc Dupiton (Clark 08') went 18-0 and brought BWL, for the first time ever, to the NYSAIS (new york state association of independent schools) tournament where they lost in the 2nd round.

However, in 03-04, Dominiak's senior year, BWL went all the way to the NYSAIS final to face perenial private school powerhouse, Poly Prep, where they only lost by 3 points.  Let me just say this : Dominiak was one of two real basketball players on that 03-04 team and with Grauer's departure, this team barely had a big man and really, no roleplayers.

Dominiak scored 2000+ points in his HS career and is one of the best pure shooters i know.  He isn't scared to shoot and he isn't scared to score.  Outside of this, he's not a fantastic player at any aspect of the game but his shooting more than makes up for it and let's be honest : ladies love the points totals, no?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on February 20, 2008, 05:58:51 AM
I would say Dominiak is the best pure shooter I've seen in years.  When he is on he is automatic from anywhere.  He hurt his wrist in practice before the CWRU game a month or so ago and while it is not his shooting wrist, it has had an impact on what he does best - catch and shoot.  That beng said, his defense  while getting better, is still not up to the level of say...World B. Free.  But man can he shoot...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: theBroadcaster on February 20, 2008, 02:59:29 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on February 20, 2008, 12:42:46 AM
As a side note what does everyone think for the all conference teams this year I have to think the Judges will get atleast Joe Coppens on in a 2 or 3 spot.

Obviously this can all change over the next 3 games, but as of now here's how I would break down the all-conference teams as of now.  I'm not assigning specific positions, but I'm keeping it so that its 2 guards and 3 bigs per team(though in some cases I might be counting a swingman who plays the 2 and the 3 as a guard just because there's not as many good pt guards this yr and sometimes have 3 forwards instead of 2 and a true center).  Also, if two players are basically even, then I think their team's record should count for a tie-breaker.

First Team:
F-Nate Hainje Chicago
F-Troy Ruths Wash U
F-Uche Ndubizu Rochester
G-Joe Coppens Brandeis
G-Spiros Ferderigos Emory

Second Team:
C-Greg Gonzalez Carnegie Mellon
F-Tyler Nading Wash U
F-Jon Onyiriuka Rochester
G-Matt Corning Chicago
G-Rob Dominiak Rochester

Third Team:
F-Terrell Hollins Brandeis
F-Ryan Einwag Carnegie Mellon
F-Anthony Fernandez Emory
G-Steve Young Case
G-Jake Pancratz Chicago

Player of the Year:Troy Ruths Wash U
Rookie of the Year:Richie Polan NYU
Most Improved:Kevin Olson Brandeis
6th Man:Tie b/w Danny O'Boyle Wash U and Andre Roberson Brandeis
Coach of the Year:Mark Edwards Wash U

Though I've seen every team in the UAA play this season, I've obviously seen/paid attention to a lot more of some teams than others, so I'd love to hear what other people think about this.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 20, 2008, 03:37:26 PM
In the new regiona rankings:

WashU is first in the Midwest
Rochester is 2nd in the East
Brandeis is 3rd in the Northeast
Chicago is 4th in the Midwest

The fact that everyone moved up besides Rochester is a good sign that all 4 teams have a chance of making the field.  I think, but am not sure, that all 3 teams ranked ahead of Chicago are up for Pool A bids, so they could be the first C bid out of the region if they stay where they are.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on February 20, 2008, 05:25:35 PM
Chicago is very much a bubble team right now.  The Maroons' NCAA chances may depend on what happens in the CCIW tournament.  The CCIW has a four-team tourney to determine its automatic qualifier.  Right now it looks like the participants will be Augustana (#2 MW region), Illinois Wesleyan (#5), Wheaton (#6) and Elmhurst (#7).

If Augustana wins the CCIW tourney, Chicago would appear to have the edge over the other three CCIW teams.  But projecting Chicago as a Pool C contender assumes that the Maroons will suffer another loss -- if the Maroons win out, they earn the Pool A bid.  Who knows how that additional loss would affect the rankings.

Head-to-head against the CCIW, Chicago owns a 15-point home win over Illinois Wesleyan and a 2-point loss at Wheaton without Nate Hainje.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on February 20, 2008, 06:27:29 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 20, 2008, 03:37:26 PM
The fact that everyone moved up besides Rochester is a good sign that all 4 teams have a chance of making the field.  I think, but am not sure, that all 3 teams ranked ahead of Chicago are up for Pool A bids, so they could be the first C bid out of the region if they stay where they are.
The problem is all three teams ranked above UChgo could also become Pool C candidates.

UAA - WashU likely becomes a lock for Pool C if it does not win the conference title (AQ).

MWC - Lawrence @ Carroll the last regular conference game then likely face each other again the MWC Tournament to decide their AQ.   If Lawrence wins the conf game but has a loss to Carroll in the MWC Tournament - Lawrence likely a Pool C.

CCIW - IWU @ Augustana (Wed - tonight); Elmhurst @ Wheaton (Sat);  IWU and Augie are in the CCIW Tournament but Elmhurst and Wheaton needs W's to lock up their spots. Augie win tonight (and I hope they do not) but loses in the conf tournament then Augie likely a Pool C

In short, Chicago really needs to go 3-0 and with a home court advantage has a chance to do that.  If Chicago goes 2-1 then the game I would think they do not want to lose is vs. WashU which has a 3 pt. home win over IWU and a 4 pt loss to Augustana.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 20, 2008, 07:35:35 PM
Quote from: iwumichigander on February 20, 2008, 06:27:29 PM
In short, Chicago really needs to go 3-0 and with a home court advantage has a chance to do that.  If Chicago goes 2-1 then the game I would think they do not want to lose is vs. WashU which has a 3 pt. home win over IWU and a 4 pt loss to Augustana.

If they go 3-0, the win the conference, so Pool C no longer matters (see earlier post).  So the real question is, can they get a Pool C bid with 8 losses?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: NYBB on February 20, 2008, 11:10:03 PM
Second Team:
C-Greg Gonzalez Carnegie Mellon
F-Tyler Nading Wash U
F-Jon Onyiriuka Rochester
G-Matt Corning Chicago
G-Rob Dominiak Rocheste

-You're CRAZY if you think Onyiriuka is 2nd team.  That kid is the most powerful player i've seen in d3 this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on February 20, 2008, 11:35:34 PM
In UAA play, Onyiriuka is averaging 11.1 PPG, 7.5 RPG and has 6 blocked shots in 11 games.  That does not scream dominance to me.  This for a team that is tied for 4th.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2008, 11:37:09 PM
Quote from: NYBB on February 20, 2008, 11:10:03 PM
Second Team:
C-Greg Gonzalez Carnegie Mellon
F-Tyler Nading Wash U
F-Jon Onyiriuka Rochester
G-Matt Corning Chicago
G-Rob Dominiak Rochester

-You're CRAZY if you think Onyiriuka is 2nd team.  That kid is the most powerful player i've seen in d3 this year.
I will give you one statistic about Onyiriuka that is telling.

2008 season  FT 30-78 38.5%

I need a better statistic in the clutch from my first team forward.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: theBroadcaster on February 21, 2008, 12:12:20 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2008, 11:37:09 PM
I will give you one statistic about Onyiriuka that is telling.

2008 season  FT 30-78 38.5%

I need a better statistic in the clutch from my first team forward.  ;)

BINGO!  That's exactly why I put him on second team and Uche on first.  Rochester's guards are good from the line, but their big guys inability to make FTs is one of the biggest reasons they're slumping.  Also, while Uche might not be great from the line himself, at least he does lead the conference in FG%, a good 17% higher than Onyiriuka. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 21, 2008, 12:13:31 AM
Yeah but I am fairly certain ndubizu is similar or worse at the line. I personally would put Onyiriuka over Ndubizu for first team, but honestly I would maybe put Dominiak over both considering how he has played in UAA games. I think your guards should be coppins and dominiak, then 3-5 would be nading, ruths and onyiriuka/hainje only because I feel weird having two UR players on my first team when they have not really shined in conference. Wash U def deserves two players on this team, and has two players deserving of the status. How about rookie of the year? Emory had one kid who I remember being nasty, I am blanking on the name though.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on February 21, 2008, 07:05:22 AM
Quote from: ILive4This on February 21, 2008, 12:13:31 AM
Yeah but I am fairly certain ndubizu is similar or worse at the line.


Uche is at 59.2% for the season.  Not great, but he has gotten better.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 21, 2008, 12:14:56 PM
nuts, both games I have watched/listened to, he has been well under 30%
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on February 21, 2008, 12:26:58 PM
Oh, he's capable of that, no question.  But every so often he tosses in an 8-10 night.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 21, 2008, 12:33:15 PM
I remember listening to the UR/Brandeis game at UR and while it is typical to foul in a close game with a minute left, the Judges were fouling him with more than 3 minutes to go, because he was shooting so poorly. Even at 50% I am not crazy impressed, although that seems to be about what his team puts in most nights. The UR/Deis game at deis the big men seemed to be reversed as Jon was actually making a fair percentage.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on February 21, 2008, 12:56:58 PM
Yeah.  Consistency has been...shall we say...elusive?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fpc85 on February 21, 2008, 01:17:53 PM
If Brandeis loses both games this weekend (a possibilty) can they make the tourney?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on February 21, 2008, 01:25:35 PM
Quote from: fpc85 on February 21, 2008, 01:17:53 PM
If Brandeis loses both games this weekend (a possibilty) can they make the tourney?
Yes, they can.
A 2-1 Brandeis should be a Pool C lock.
At 1-2, they are on the bubble, and their chances depend on what other bubble teams do, as well as the number of upsets in conference tournaments.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: old_hooper on February 21, 2008, 02:05:20 PM
If Brandeis goes 0-2 this weekend and if the LEC holds out like it is right now with RIC winning the conference championship, that would take one of the Pool Cs with U Mass Dart.  RICs only chance to make it is to win the championship.  Also, you would have to think that if Trinity or Bowdoin make the finals of the NESCAC, one of them will make it in.  The big question is will the NE get three Pool Cs?  If that happens, you would have to think that Brandeis gets in over a 3rd NESCAC team.  Chicago probably has to win league to get in.  Wash U is a lock and if Rochester can win out they should be too. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on February 21, 2008, 02:16:18 PM
FYI to UAA fans - St Louis is experiencing an ice storm now, with forecast for continued problematic weather tomorrow (Friday)  -  could have a major impact on the weekend scheduling....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on February 21, 2008, 04:07:00 PM
Quote from: old_hooper on February 21, 2008, 02:05:20 PM
If Brandeis goes 0-2 this weekend and if the LEC holds out like it is right now with RIC winning the conference championship, that would take one of the Pool Cs with U Mass Dart.  RICs only chance to make it is to win the championship.  Also, you would have to think that if Trinity or Bowdoin make the finals of the NESCAC, one of them will make it in.  The big question is will the NE get three Pool Cs?  If that happens, you would have to think that Brandeis gets in over a 3rd NESCAC team.  Chicago probably has to win league to get in.  Wash U is a lock and if Rochester can win out they should be too. 

There is nothing in the selection process concerning the number of bids for any region. If there are five teams in the Northeast that deserve Pool C bids (not out of the question with enough upsets), then there will be five Pool C bids in the Northeast. Likewise, it's quite possible that both the Great Lakes and Atlantic will have zero that qualify for Pool C bids. Likewise, the conference affiliation of the teams under consideration doesn't matter.

I don't think that WashU is a lock yet. 0-3 probably sends them home.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 22, 2008, 12:45:28 AM
Honestly i think 1-2 gets Brandeis in still maybe not a luck but a comfortable fence team, 0-3 still does not take them out of it completely. They are currently the #2 pool c team, that leaves a 15 spot cushion.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on February 22, 2008, 09:00:48 AM
Would appreciate anybody close to Brandeis - Wash U programs keeping us informed as to status of games - While it's not too bad in St. Louis this morning, it's possibly to get worse....  will Brandeis have a window of opportunity to get into the city??
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 22, 2008, 10:49:08 AM
They would have flown out yesterday some time, unless their flight was canceled.  It is snowing (and accumulating) in Boston currently, so hopefully they were able to fly out on time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 22, 2008, 11:09:20 AM
Thursday's weather in Boston was fine, so the Brandeis teams should have made it to St. Louis and should be having their Friday game day practice at the Wash U Field House this morning-- I may try to call Wash U as to the status.   All UAA travelling teams fly out the day before the game.

As for the maybe 50 to 100 (I guess) travelling fans flying out to St. Louis today, that may be another problem.  I know one of the Brandeis parents is scheduled to fly out of Logan around 11:20 AM Eastern today-- whether or not the flight is delayed or cancelled, I don't know at this time.

While St. Louis may be having an icestorm, Boston is scheduled to get 6 to 10 inches of snow today-- the snow is light right now, but is scheduled to get heavier this afternoon into this evening.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 22, 2008, 11:20:22 AM
I just checked with the Massport web site.  My friend is flying into St. Louis on American Airlines Flt. 1563 this morning.  It is still scheduled to depart on time from Logan Airport at 11:20 AM Eastern with a scheduled arrival time in St. Louis at approx. 1:25 PM Central/2:25 PM Eastern.  So, there may be a delay in the departure and arrival, but not an outright cancellation.

It looks to me like the games at Wash U will be on as scheduled today.

That looks good, because I will need to be updated by cellphone today, as I probably won't be able to travel into Boston tonight because of the snowstorm.

PS-- Flight is now boarding, so the storm will probably delay the flight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on February 22, 2008, 12:03:39 PM
Per the Wash U basketball office, Brandeis did get in , games are on as scheduled!!! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 22, 2008, 05:44:27 PM
Allen,

Did you make the trip out to St. Louis? I'm a bit confused.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on February 22, 2008, 05:55:19 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 22, 2008, 05:44:27 PM
Allen,

Did you make the trip out to St. Louis? I'm a bit confused.

Allen didn't go to St. Louis, but he had friends that did, including the one that flew out today. He was updating using the airport's web site (which is how he knew that the flight was boarding).

It's all there in his posts, but it is a bit confusing.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 22, 2008, 09:03:27 PM
And the broadcast for the men starts off poor with already a few mistakes....eventually they will realize that MA is Mass not Maine......
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 22, 2008, 09:16:41 PM
13:34 to go Brandeis leads 11-10. This broadcast has reached a low, "Rochester is a better basketball team than Brandeis wouldn't you say?"


Also I swear if they call the conference/ league the division one more time......
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 22, 2008, 09:22:47 PM
Nading takes a charge, as the game is tied 14-14 with about 9 to go.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 22, 2008, 09:24:48 PM
HUGE PRESS from the Judges, as the Bears CANNOT get across half in time, and get called for a 10 second violation, rexhepi drives but misses an easy layup. Ruths gets the ball and lays it up 16-14, then yemga for 2 16-16, sorry the game is so fast paced I can not type so fast, okay now 18-16 after another bucket by ruths.

18-16 Bears....wow this is getting nuts.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 22, 2008, 09:37:21 PM
Rochester wins 75-56.  After a close first hald, UR dominated the second half.

CMU up 8 with under 3 minutes to play.

Chicago up 10 with under 4 in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 22, 2008, 09:37:40 PM
Brandeis is shooting free throws more like Rochester, as they are about 1 for 8 I think so far in the game, they are tied 28-28 after two nading free throws. Wash U is shooting well from the stripe perhaps shooting 100 percent right now.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 22, 2008, 09:41:43 PM
28-28 tied at the half, Troy Ruths leads all scorers with 8 points, Kevin Olsen leads the Judges with 7. This is just what I have kept track of from the Audio, so I could be wrong.

I take that back, they just said the box has Nading, Ruths and Thompson all have 7, so I may have copied something down wrong with the fast paced start we had.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 22, 2008, 09:43:28 PM
Chicago up 10 at the half.  Nate Hainje has 23 points for UC.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 22, 2008, 09:53:11 PM
CMU wins 78-70 behind 23 points and 12 rebounds from Greg Gonzalez.  Spiros Ferdirigos had 25 for emory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 22, 2008, 10:02:49 PM
Wow who would have thought the only person on the Brandeis team to make a free throw so far is Terrell Hollins.

Currently 39-35, Ruths sitting with 3 fouls, Coppins 9 points, 3/4 from the 3 point.

Olsen gets three, then Kelly for 3 (his 3rd of the night)

42-38 Bears
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 22, 2008, 10:09:21 PM
The three ball is flying tonight, Bears lead 49-42 largest lead of the game. Wash U has made 7, 3 pointers, the Judges have made 5.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 22, 2008, 10:11:25 PM
Ruths comes back in with 3 fouls and a little under 13 to play.  If Brandeis can get him to pick up with 4th, momentum could swing.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 22, 2008, 10:13:49 PM
Chicago up 16 with 11 minutes to go.  Nate Hainje now has 25 points and 10 boards.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on February 22, 2008, 10:14:32 PM
Live stats is back up for WashU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 22, 2008, 10:16:08 PM
51-50 Bears, Ruths has 4 fouls
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 22, 2008, 10:16:17 PM
Thanks, I dont have to listen to this broadcast anymore.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 22, 2008, 10:18:42 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on February 22, 2008, 10:16:08 PM
51-50 Bears, Ruths has 4 fouls

According to livestats, it is still 3.  Is this a mistake?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 22, 2008, 10:22:44 PM
I thought it was 4 but I could be wrong, it sounded like they said 1 more and he is gone, but it would make sense as he is in. 60-58 Judges take first lead of the half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 22, 2008, 10:23:04 PM
I also was not aware the live stats was up working....good to know.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 22, 2008, 10:24:52 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on February 22, 2008, 10:23:04 PM
I also was not aware the live stats was up working....good to know.

They may have, they keep making incorrect statements and then having to correct themselves.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 22, 2008, 10:25:44 PM
Chicago up 19 with under 4 to go.  There could be a 3 way tie in the UAA at the end of the night.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 22, 2008, 10:35:06 PM
Chicago wins 81-62.   Hainje has 30 pts and 12 rebounds.  Chicago improves to 9-3 in the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 22, 2008, 10:38:15 PM
67-64 with 20 seconds to go, Roberson to the line for 1 and 1
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 22, 2008, 10:45:12 PM
Brandeis wins 68-66
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 22, 2008, 10:45:26 PM
We're all tied atop the UAA.  Brandeis, WashU, and Chicago all tied at the top.

Brandeis now has to complete the WashU/Chicago road sweep on Sunday to keep their UAA championship hope alive.  If Brandeis wins on Sunday, the Chicago/WashU game next weekend ends up being for second place (unless Brandeis slips up against NYU). 

What I would like to see happen is for Chicago to win on Sunday and have a chance to win the title next weekend.  If Chicago were to win the UAA, you would expect the UAA to get 4 teams into the NCAA tournament.  Chicago would get the AQ, and (hypothetically, if things hold otherwise) Brandeis would be 20-5, WashU would be 19-6, and Rochester would be 20-5.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 22, 2008, 10:46:29 PM
Congrats Judges, gutsy win on the road!!!!!

Off to Chicago!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 22, 2008, 10:49:12 PM
Have I got it right that if Washington wins its last 2 they would win the AQ regardless of the Brandeis/Chicago result?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 22, 2008, 11:01:54 PM
Quote from: sac on February 22, 2008, 10:49:12 PM
Have I got it right that if Washington wins its last 2 they would win the AQ regardless of the Brandeis/Chicago result?

If Brandeis were to win out also, both teams would be 11-3.  The first tiebreaker would be head to head which would be tied.  The second tiebreaker would go to WashU because they would be 2-0 against Chicago (if they win out).  So yes, WashU still holds its own destiny.  If you look back at my post on page 96 of this board (not that I expect you to, but if you want the full analysis), you will see that Brandeis needs help to win the UAA AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 22, 2008, 11:02:47 PM
Yes, because they will have swept 3rd place Chicago in that scenario, whereas Brandeis will have split....I still cannot believe Brandeis dropped either of those two point games at home against the Maroon or Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 22, 2008, 11:06:54 PM
So WashU winout = AQ

Chicago winout = AQ

Brandeis winout, combined with any WashU loss = AQ

then there's all the everyone has 4 loss scenarios
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 22, 2008, 11:07:58 PM
Quote from: sac on February 22, 2008, 11:06:54 PM
So WashU winout = AQ

Chicago winout = AQ

Brandeis winout, combined with any WashU loss = AQ

then there's all the everyone has 4 loss scenarios

That is accurate, as long as no one loses to NYU and we start getting into the 4 loss scenarios (as you stated).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on February 22, 2008, 11:09:08 PM
Quote from: sac on February 22, 2008, 11:06:54 PM
So WashU winout = AQ

Chicago winout = AQ

Brandeis winout, combined with any WashU loss = AQ

then there's all the everyone has 4 loss scenarios

THAT'S the one I'm rooting for.  Just for parity's sake.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 22, 2008, 11:16:59 PM
Quote from: Jacketfan2011 on February 22, 2008, 11:09:08 PM
Quote from: sac on February 22, 2008, 11:06:54 PM
So WashU winout = AQ

Chicago winout = AQ

Brandeis winout, combined with any WashU loss = AQ

then there's all the everyone has 4 loss scenarios

THAT'S the one I'm rooting for.  Just for parity's sake.

Which one?  The 4 loss scenarios or the Chicago AQ?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on February 22, 2008, 11:26:00 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 22, 2008, 11:16:59 PM
Quote from: Jacketfan2011 on February 22, 2008, 11:09:08 PM
Quote from: sac on February 22, 2008, 11:06:54 PM
So WashU winout = AQ

Chicago winout = AQ

Brandeis winout, combined with any WashU loss = AQ

then there's all the everyone has 4 loss scenarios

.

THAT'S the one I'm rooting for.  Just for parity's sake.

Which one?  The 4 loss scenarios or the Chicago AQ?

As many teams with as many losses as UR as possible.  Works for me
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 22, 2008, 11:35:23 PM
I don't think Chicago makes the tournament with another loss, but if they win the AQ the UAA likely gets 4 teams in.

...and unlike other conferences, their teams would be kept apart in the tournament better.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2008, 12:54:10 PM
Chicago was as smooth as a silk Hermes tie last night. Only four turnovers on the night, and the ball movement and the post offense were fantastic. Nate Hainje, who is now the only player in Maroons history to score 1,000 points, grab 500 rebounds, and dish out 200 assists, had a spectacular night: 30 points and 12 rebounds. He's always fun to watch, but last night he was even more of a human highlight reel than usual. NYU simply had no answer for him.

Attendance was only 500 or so in the Ratner Center, and the crowd was listless and uninvolved. I wonder if the growing drama surrounding Chicago's run at a UAA title -- which is most likely the only way that the Maroons will get into the tournament -- might bring out more and/or louder fans on Sunday afternoon against Brandeis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 23, 2008, 07:31:00 PM
Fans on a sunday is often an oxymoron especially at the Rat
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on February 24, 2008, 12:09:58 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2008, 08:23:58 PM
hopefan,

And Martin, of course, has no connection to Wash U - maybe he should have quit while he was 'ahead' with 'trashing' the MWC and CCIW! ;D

SLIAC friends,

Re-read all the posts and see if it doesn't come off as an 'inferiority complex' (IMO, totally unnecessarily), rather than a 'hatchet job' by Martin.  It was a joke, with the main target being the MWC (then the CCIW after I riposted him).

Martin,

I've tried to get your back, but I'd like to remain on good terms with the SLIAC guys.  From here on out, you're on your own!  (Well, maybe once more, if you admit that UC's real motivation was less 'peer institutions' than fear of consistent bottom-half finishes in the CCIW! ;D)

[And, of course, jabs at 'Wheaties' can't hurt your case! ;)]

Thanks for watching my back Mr. Ypsi.

I was away from the board for a while and did not realize all the trouble I caused.  Sorry if I offended anyone.  That was not my intent. 

I do not want to restart this thread.  But there was a serious component to my original comment which I should probably take over to the "Future of D3" board.  There are large disparities between D3 schools - public vs private, money vs broke, etc.  I am not sure if they can or should be reconciled.  I need to give all this some more thought and I will try to write something on the topic.

This was inspired by the recently released endowment numbers.  They raise questions like why does Harvard even charge tuition.  I am not going to pick on the UAA schools - research universities have a different mission.  Chicago is weird in having 4,000 undergraduates and 8,000 graduate students.  No one is close to that - I think Columbia is one to one. 

But a school to be picked on is Trinity.  Their endowment is $1.8 billion - for 1,800 students and no research programs.  And they are in the middle of a fundraising drive.  They spend over $100,000 per year per student.  Illinois Wesleyan has an endowment of $190 million.  It has about 2,100 students.  It spends about $35,000 per year per student.  Is Williams providing triple the educational value of IWU? 

Some of this questions are being asked now about these massive endowments schools are gathering.  While this is going on, state schools are falling apart.   The University of Illinois was concerned about spending $3million to renovate the historic building at the center of its campus.  The University of Chicago just completed Phase 1 of its construction program ($700 million) and started Phase 2 (over $1 billion).

Those are just some random thoughts - I need to pull them together more coherently.  Also - why Jake Pancratz is the best point guard in the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 24, 2008, 12:47:35 AM
Martin,

I'd agree this is probably not the proper forum for this discussion, but a couple of quick thoughts.

You mention IWU as a 'poor' school (which compared to UC, it is), but it is 'upper middle class' by d3 standards.  I haven't seen endowment figures in 3-4 years, but while its endowment is barely half of Wheaton's, it is nearly double the third place CCIW school (and would probably be highest in a majority of d3 conferences).  Whether or not that should matter is a different discussion!

The cases I find fascinating are the publics who are also rich (e.g., Texas, Texas A&M, U of Michigan).  I'm not enough of an insider to know if there are any 'real' discussions on the topic, but perennial scuttlebutt on the U of M campus is whether or not they should declare their independence and go private (their endowment is well into 10 figures, perhaps 11 by now).

d3 has certainly had contention between the haves and have nots (and especially between the privates and publics, which is NOT the same debate, though it often gets confused); your input would certainly be welcomed on the 'future of d3' board.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 24, 2008, 01:06:47 PM
Chicago and Brandeis about to tip off in a few seconds, from the sounds of the broadcast, there are actually people at the Ratner center. It will be interesting to see who the big scorer/if there is a big scorer for chicago today as Corning lit up the Judges for 27 in waltham in that 2 point win, and Hainje had 30 friday night against NYU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 24, 2008, 01:11:28 PM
The audio is ahead of the live stats, this is kind of an interesting experience, knowing what happens and then finding out how it happened.

6-5 Brandeis with 16 to go.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 24, 2008, 01:30:45 PM
Scary  moment for the Judges as backup PG Andre Roberson hits the floor hard and play is stopped for a few minutes, he is up so nothing too serious, but not sure when we will see him back again....22-17 Judges with 8:30 left in the first
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 24, 2008, 01:41:49 PM
39-36 Brandeis at the half, close most of the way

NYU leads Washington
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 24, 2008, 01:48:19 PM
39-36 Brandeis at the Half as Hainje makes a jumper at the buzzer to make it a 3 point game.

Side note, Roberson has come back into the game, and seems to be okay as he connected on a three-pointer and drew the foul, completing the 4 point play.

Also I continue to hear roaring cheers when Brandeis scores, and very little when the Maroon add points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 24, 2008, 01:54:38 PM
Also Hill has 12, and Hollins 11 for the Judges, so it is clear they are trying to exploit a bit of a mismatch down low, as most of the Brandeis points have come in the paint in the form of layups.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 24, 2008, 02:06:58 PM
Wash U goes on 12-4 second half run, leads by 4 w/6 min gone by
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 24, 2008, 02:20:01 PM
Beware the fouls --

Coppens, Hollins, Yemga, Hainje, Pancratz all w/3 w/ about 9 min left
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: theBroadcaster on February 24, 2008, 02:26:38 PM
I'm amazed at how many brandeis fans it sounds like are in chicago right now.  Also, its amazing how close every single brandeis game is against good teams.  You can almost sign off beforehand that it will be a one possession game with 2 min. left
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 24, 2008, 02:28:13 PM
Hollins and Yemga now have 4 fouls, 1 pt game, 'Deis

Amazing! Hainje hits a 3, then Coppens!  How good is this?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 24, 2008, 02:36:44 PM
uh-oh Chicago by 4

earth to Olson and Roberson .. 4-19? pick it up dudes ..

Hill makes it a two pt game, 1:47 left, grey hair anyone?

in fairness, Pancratz is 2-10 as well ...

30 sec left, Coppens misses a 3, Hollins fouls out, down 3

12 sec, more missed 3's, Coppens and Olson, that's that ... congrats to Chicago, came up clutch down the stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: theBroadcaster on February 24, 2008, 02:49:39 PM
74-66.  Tough loss for the Judges.  They really shot poorly today and their bigs were quiet late.  Even so, they still had a shot late.  Pool C it is for Brandeis.  I think they're in regardless, but they better beat NYU and get to 20 wins just to be safe.  Now my question is, will that be enough to host a first/second round regional?  And now that we know Brandeis won't win the UAA, is hosting a potential sweet 16/elite 8 round completely out of the question (assuming an Amherst gets there)?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2008, 02:57:00 PM
I think Brandeis has a tough arguement over Amherst and UMass-Dartmouth for that hosting chance - based on regional records and all!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: old_hooper on February 24, 2008, 03:00:02 PM
That would be a a real long shot for deis to host the sectional even with the win over Amherst.  If that were true, a strong case could be made for UMD.  You would have to think that the Judges have a good shot at hosting first and second round games.  Also think that UMD will have that possibiliy also.  
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 24, 2008, 03:05:05 PM
Today's attendance at Ratner Center for the men's game was 355.

I figure that the Brandeis alumni in Chicago turned out for the doubleheader, so Brandeis will probably have the majority of the fan support at Ratner for today.  Chicago students usually don't show up for Sunday games unfortunately.

Tough loss for the Judges, but the Brandeis men locked up a Pool C invite with the victory Friday night.  A win next Saturday will do wonders to secure hosting rights for the first weekend.  Since 2008 is an even year, should a school get both men's and women's basketball teams into the NCAA tournament, and both teams are picked to host regional games, the men get priority to host on the first weekend, with the women getting priority to host sectionals-- so as to avoid conflict.

I don't think that Brandeis will host a sectional this year either-- it will be just first and second round games at the most. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 24, 2008, 03:44:01 PM
Wash.U. wins by 9 over NYU. Violets gave the Bears fits in the first half with their slow-it-down, very methodical offense, but Ruths and Nading take over in the second half before 1000+ (a nice number for a Sunday game) in STL. And, for the second year in a row, Wash.U. will take on Chicago for the UAA title. This time it's in the windy city, but don't be surprised if Wash.U. fans outnumber the home team's supporters. WUSTL has a number of Chicago area guys on its roster and a sizable student contingent is expected to make the trip...should be a great game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 24, 2008, 04:22:57 PM
Although this wasnt in any of the "significant" games this weekend, Greg Gonzalez had himself two monster games.  Against Emory he had 23 points, 14 rebounds, 4 blocks and 3 steals, and then against CWRU he had 12 points, 21 rebounds, 4 assists and a block.  For the weekend he averaged 17.5 ppg, 17.5 rbg, 2.5 bpg, 1.5 spg, and 2.5 apg.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2008, 04:50:11 AM
Quote from: martin on February 24, 2008, 12:09:58 AMBut a school to be picked on is Trinity.  Their endowment is $1.8 billion - for 1,800 students and no research programs.  And they are in the middle of a fundraising drive.  They spend over $100,000 per year per student.

Which Trinity, Martin? The one in Texas, or the one in Connecticut?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2008, 05:02:48 AM
You have to hand it to the Maroons. Nobody gave them any chance at all this season, as the consensus in here seemed to be that Chicago was most likely looking at a fourth- or fifth-place UAA finish. I was no exception; I saw the Maroons scrimmage before the season started, and I figured them for about 17-8, 8-6. While I'm close to what will be their final regular-season record, I was another one of the people who underestimated how the Maroons would fare in the UAA. I just didn't think that Mike McGrath would be able to replace all of the perimeter firepower he lost to graduation.

Nate Hainje's been the star, of course, but Jake Pancratz and Matt Corning have both had extremely solid seasons, particularly in UAA play, and Adam Machones is really coming on as well. The big men have been just good enough to hold their own, but the triple threat of Hainje, Pancratz, and Corning on the perimeter -- combined with a very smooth-running offense -- has been enough for the Maroons to eke out one UAA win after another.

Kudos to Coach McGrath and his Maroons on a very successful two months' worth of surpassing expectations, regardless of how next Saturday's showdown with Wash U turns out.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 25, 2008, 05:11:05 PM
Quote from: theBroadcaster on February 24, 2008, 02:49:39 PM
74-66.  Tough loss for the Judges.  They really shot poorly today and their bigs were quiet late.  Even so, they still had a shot late.  Pool C it is for Brandeis.  I think they're in regardless, but they better beat NYU and get to 20 wins just to be safe.  Now my question is, will that be enough to host a first/second round regional?  And now that we know Brandeis won't win the UAA, is hosting a potential sweet 16/elite 8 round completely out of the question (assuming an Amherst gets there)?

20 wins would indeed be a great accomplishment during the regular season, ever been done before?  Maybe the Harrigan/Martin teams of the late 70's, I think the Perry/Fahey/Williams teams before them topped out at 17-18 (tougher schedules then too ....).  With the long dry spell, can't think of any others, maybe some of the early teams.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on February 25, 2008, 10:51:28 PM
BTW, I was at the WashU/NYU game and it was great seeing Ruths score his Senior Day basket as a dunk right in front of me.  NYU had pulled within seven which gave them a very small chance, but a long inbound pass found Ruths wide open and he sprinted to the basket where he made a two hand dunk, signifying that the game was definitely all but over.  The crowd went wild.

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/mensbball/GAME24.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 25, 2008, 11:22:55 PM
The Wash U box is one of the most lopsided affairs I have ever seen, but I mean they got it done. 31 for Ruths, 17 for Nading, only 2 other players with more than 1 point
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 26, 2008, 04:21:18 PM
Congrats to Troy Ruths for being named a Jostens Finalist.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on February 29, 2008, 10:29:02 AM
Troy Ruths, last 3 games vs. Chicago:

Jan. 6, 2007: 28 pts, 11-12 FG (WU 70, UC 59)
Feb. 24, 2007: 19 pts, 8-13 FG (WU 79, UC 74)
Jan. 12, 2008: 26 pts, 12-18 FG (WU 76, UC 50)

Average, last 3 games: 24.3 ppg, 31-43 FG (.721)

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on February 29, 2008, 02:05:20 PM
I'm really looking forward to the games at Ratner tomorrow.

To have both the men's and women's teams at Chicago playing for the UAA title against their arch-rivals from Wash U is just tremendous.

It will be great to have one more chance to watch Nate Hainje and Nofi Mojidi play at home -- two of the most fun players to watch on the men's and women's sides in my 14 years of following Maroons basketball.

At stake on the women's side, for those who aren't aware, is Wash U's remarkable streak of 10 consecutive UAA championships.  Like the men, the UC women will take the title outright with a victory on Saturday.

If anyone wants to say hi tomorrow, I will be wearing a short-sleeve maroon U of C shirt and my wife will be wearing a long-sleeve maroon (not UC) shirt.

Go Maroons!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 29, 2008, 03:24:33 PM
Hoop Dreams--

Have fun at the games tomorrow.  The Ratner Center should be jumping. 

PS-- You didn't ask Tom Weitgarner to make you a "Cago, Cago, Cago" t-shirt yet, did you?  :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 01, 2008, 12:07:03 AM
Quote from: Hoop Dreams on February 29, 2008, 02:05:20 PMIf anyone wants to say hi tomorrow, I will be wearing a short-sleeve maroon U of C shirt and my wife will be wearing a long-sleeve maroon (not UC) shirt.

I'll look for you. I'm not quite sure, but there's a fairly decent chance that I'll be the only person in the Ratner Center wearing a blue North Park hoodie. ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 01, 2008, 02:14:27 AM
I had my dates and times messed up.  I was thinking Wash U at Chicago was on Sunday (since they like that Fri-Sun stuff)...not on Sat.  Then when I saw it was on Saturday, I was hoping the game was at 2 pm, not 3 pm.  Anyway, I wanted hit that game and then head to Whitewater for the WIAC final vs. Stevens Point.

Alas, a 3 pm game starts too late to make it to Whitewater on time.  I thought the Aurora/Lakeland game was Saturday at 2 pm, it's on Sunday at 2 pm...

Can the UAA switch the game time to 2 pm? lol 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 01, 2008, 02:16:15 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 01, 2008, 12:07:03 AM
I'll look for you. I'm not quite sure, but there's a fairly decent chance that I'll be the only person in the Ratner Center wearing a blue North Park hoodie. ;) :D

I was the only person at The Alex in Appleton for the Lawrence game that was wearing a Stevens Point Pointer hat.  The LU AD basically said that I was risking my life doing so!  :P
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 01, 2008, 01:22:08 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 01, 2008, 02:16:15 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 01, 2008, 12:07:03 AM
I'll look for you. I'm not quite sure, but there's a fairly decent chance that I'll be the only person in the Ratner Center wearing a blue North Park hoodie. ;) :D

I was the only person at The Alex in Appleton for the Lawrence game that was wearing a Stevens Point Pointer hat.  The LU AD basically said that I was risking my life doing so!  :P

Not a problem in Ratner, since I suspect that the only two people in the building besides me who've even heard of North Park will be Mike McGrath and Mark Edwards.

If Martin shows up, there will be three. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 01, 2008, 04:31:35 PM
Chicago announcers= suspect. a bit too homerish.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sean-o on March 01, 2008, 04:37:09 PM
With d3hoops.com doing the game from a neutral perspective, I think the homer broadcast has its place today. So long as its not biased, it's good to have the emotion and excitement.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 01, 2008, 04:44:09 PM
scratch that. these guys are pretty good.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 01, 2008, 05:40:32 PM
Chicago wins the UAA title, 74-66 over Wash U.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on March 01, 2008, 05:44:28 PM
UR 74-67 over CMU.  Good win for the Jackets.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 01, 2008, 07:13:42 PM
Let's have a show of hands for everybody who thought that Chicago was going to win the UAA this season.

[note -- my hand is not raised, either]

OK, now let's have a show of hands for everybody who thought that the Maroons would even finish in the top three of the UAA this year.

[I still don't see a lot of upraised hands]

Just a magnificent, magnificent job by Mike McGrath and his players this season. Congratulations to them on what must be an immensely satisfying finale to the regular season. How much better could it be than to clinch it with a win over archrival Wash U in a tense nailbiter in front of a packed house at Ratner, and to gain with it an automatic bid to the big dance that's sitting there like a Christmas gift waiting to be unwrapped on Monday morning?

Nate Hainje had another Nate Hainje kind of day, with his 19 and 11 game capped by a 23-footer that found nothing but net with 49 ticks left on the clock and Chicago nursing what was only a one-point lead at the time. But the true hero of the game might be Jake Pancratz, whose 15 points were accompanied by a whopping nine assists and only one turnover. Adam Machones had a breakout game, scoring 18 and hitting all four of his shots from downtown, and Matt Corning's 11 and 7 reflected his usual solid effort. But the unsung hero has to be John Kinsella, whose unlikely reverse layup at 3:20 with the shot clock down to one second and the ensuing made free throw boosted Chicago to a 65-60 lead and made the uphill climb for Wash U that much harder.

The Maroons did a terrific job on Bears All-American center Troy Ruths. He scored 24, but the Maroons forced him to earn half of them from the FT line, as the Wash U senior went only 6-19 from the field. Aaron Thompson had 18 and Tyler Nading had 12 for the Bears, as both Nading and Cameron Smith fouled out trying to guard Hainje. That was really the big story of the game, as Chicago was much more aggressive with the ball than was Wash U; by putting the ball on the floor and forcing the Bears to foul him, Hainje really took over the game.

Once again, congrats to the Maroons on a fantastic accomplishment!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on March 01, 2008, 07:19:19 PM
And the Judges hold serve versus NYU to hit the 20 win mark.  Nice job, gentlemen.

And thanks for "live stats", I was at the BC - North Carolina game, watching an unbelievable game by Tyrese Rice of BC -- 34 points in the first half, 46 altogether, and refreshing my PDA for 'Deis updates.  BTW - Legendary Brandeis alum Andy Jick is the PA announcer for BC, as he was previously for Brandeis and the Boston Celtics.  Good job, AJ!

Congrats also to the 'Deis women, please don't go to the ECAC tournament!

Update -- UMass Dartmouth and Amherst both lose!  Does that make Brandeis a better prospect for a regional?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2008, 07:34:19 PM
Makes them a better prospect... but they still have more regional losses than the other two - if I remember correctly. Though... I could be wrong since I am doing this off the top of my head.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on March 01, 2008, 07:41:54 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 01, 2008, 07:34:19 PM
Makes them a better prospect... but they still have more regional losses than the other two - if I remember correctly. Though... I could be wrong since I am doing this off the top of my head.

five losses - Chicago twice, Washington, U-Mass Dartmouth, Emory (?), memory is fading ...

top 25 will be interesting this week too, how high will Chicago climb?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on March 01, 2008, 07:45:49 PM
Actually adding up the numbers. I think Brandeis might move ahead of UMD into the #2 spot in the NE.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on March 01, 2008, 07:47:49 PM
Brandeis is a candidate for the "16th regional."

Historically, the NCAA has given regional hosting bids to the two top teams from each region. Since the decline  of the Atlantic region, the Atlantic has only gotten one host and the extra bid has been used to balance the bracket in the Eastern "half" of the tournament.

There is no question that Brandeis is the strongest of the 3rd seeds from the Northeast-East-Atlantic-MidAtlantic foursome, and will get to host a regional if there are enough teams from that half of the country.

But they probably won't get to host a regional instead of Amherst or Mass-Dartmouth.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on March 01, 2008, 07:57:42 PM
Thanks!  Good information ... guess we'll all see soon enough.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 01, 2008, 09:05:22 PM
Quote from: howardjp on March 01, 2008, 07:41:54 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 01, 2008, 07:34:19 PM
Makes them a better prospect... but they still have more regional losses than the other two - if I remember correctly. Though... I could be wrong since I am doing this off the top of my head.

five losses - Chicago twice, Washington, U-Mass Dartmouth, Emory (?), memory is fading ...

top 25 will be interesting this week too, how high will Chicago climb?

Actually, Brandeis 5 losses have all been to (potential) NCAA tournament teams: Chicago (2), WashU, Rochester, and UMD.  I dont know what the NCAA will do, but Brandeis has 0 bad losses and has played in a much much tougher conference.  On the other hand,  UMD has one bad loss (to Keene State, who is 16-11) and two losses to LEC champ RIC.  UMD owns the head to head, but how much will the NCAA penalize Brandeis for losing on the road, in over time, 3 months ago (8th game of the year).  I honestly think Brandeis' record is the most impressive in UAA, in the sense that they have not had any big letups.  WashU has had an upset (at the hands of Calvin) and was obliterated by CMU by 31.  Brandeis conversely has not lost by more than 8 points and 2 of their losses were by 2 points and one was in OT (the other losses were by 6 and 8 points, respectively).  Rochester has lost to Emory and NYU, and Chicago has lost to 4 teams with 7+ losses.  I think Brandeis deserves hosting over UMD, but obviously my opinion doesnt count.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on March 01, 2008, 09:27:16 PM
Actually, UR lost to Emory in OT on the road, to NYU in 2OT on the road, by 1 to Wash U on the road, by four to Brandeis  on the road and to Chicago by 9 after beating #1 Wash U. (the same day Wash U lost to CMU by 31) after one of the most intense games I've ever seen.  They beat #2 Brandeis, beat #1 Wash U.  While inarguably good, I'm not sure Brandeis can claim the most impressive record in the UAA.

And as an impartial observer, I'd agree Brandeis should host.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: guitarhero on March 01, 2008, 09:28:22 PM
any chance Chicago will get to host a first round game?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 01, 2008, 10:44:34 PM
Quote from: Jacketfan2011 on March 01, 2008, 09:27:16 PM
Actually, UR lost to Emory in OT on the road, to NYU in 2OT on the road, by 1 to Wash U on the road, by four to Brandeis  on the road and to Chicago by 9 after beating #1 Wash U. (the same day Wash U lost to CMU by 31) after one of the most intense games I've ever seen.  They beat #2 Brandeis, beat #1 Wash U.  While inarguably good, I'm not sure Brandeis can claim the most impressive record in the UAA.

And as an impartial observer, I'd agree Brandeis should host.

Im not trying to take anything away from UR (they are a great team), but they still have two losses to bottom 3 teams in the league (at places that Brandeis won).  Brandeis's only league losses are to the other top 3 teams in the league.

By your definition, I am impartial also (not a Brandeis fan, but I follow the UAA).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 01, 2008, 10:52:08 PM
Quote from: guitarhero on March 01, 2008, 09:28:22 PM
any chance Chicago will get to host a first round game?

I would say not so good.  Their chance of getting a top 2 seed in the Midwest is rather low (they were ranked #5 last week).  They may pass Wheaton (IL), with their loss to IWU, but, even if they passes WashU (which they might, since WashU now has 6 losses), Augustana won the CCIW and Lawrence won the MWC.  Therefore, I think the have a chance to move up to the #3 team in the Midwest, but it isnt likely that they would move ahead of the top two teams.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2008, 12:44:46 AM
Let's also remember that hosting has a lot to do with teams in the area - easily to bus to a hosting site. Not sure the NCAA is going to be able to send nine teams to three sites in the first round all in the Boston/Providence area. That would also mean the NCAA men's committee did a pretty lousy job moving teams around in the brackets to at least make the backets a bit balanced!

One way I could see Brandeis hosting is if the committee moves a team like UMass-Dartmouth or Amherst out of the region... but I really don't see that happening. They may have an easier time moving Brandeis to another location!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on March 02, 2008, 12:46:46 AM
What are the chances of Wash U hosting in the STL?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2008, 12:48:40 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on March 01, 2008, 10:52:08 PM
Quote from: guitarhero on March 01, 2008, 09:28:22 PM
any chance Chicago will get to host a first round game?

I would say not so good.  Their chance of getting a top 2 seed in the Midwest is rather low (they were ranked #5 last week).  They may pass Wheaton (IL), with their loss to IWU, but, even if they passes WashU (which they might, since WashU now has 6 losses), Augustana won the CCIW and Lawrence won the MWC.  Therefore, I think the have a chance to move up to the #3 team in the Midwest, but it isnt likely that they would move ahead of the top two teams.

The answer is pretty much here... with 6 losses... I don't think the men get a hosting chance. BUT there are other determining factors... so who knows.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 02, 2008, 03:50:05 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on March 01, 2008, 09:05:22 PM
Quote from: howardjp on March 01, 2008, 07:41:54 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 01, 2008, 07:34:19 PM
Makes them a better prospect... but they still have more regional losses than the other two - if I remember correctly. Though... I could be wrong since I am doing this off the top of my head.

five losses - Chicago twice, Washington, U-Mass Dartmouth, Emory (?), memory is fading ...

top 25 will be interesting this week too, how high will Chicago climb?

Actually, Brandeis 5 losses have all been to (potential) NCAA tournament teams: Chicago (2), WashU, Rochester, and UMD.  I dont know what the NCAA will do, but Brandeis has 0 bad losses and has played in a much much tougher conference.  On the other hand,  UMD has one bad loss (to Keene State, who is 16-11) and two losses to LEC champ RIC.  UMD owns the head to head, but how much will the NCAA penalize Brandeis for losing on the road, in over time, 3 months ago (8th game of the year).  I honestly think Brandeis' record is the most impressive in UAA, in the sense that they have not had any big letups.  WashU has had an upset (at the hands of Calvin) and was obliterated by CMU by 31.  Brandeis conversely has not lost by more than 8 points and 2 of their losses were by 2 points and one was in OT (the other losses were by 6 and 8 points, respectively).  Rochester has lost to Emory and NYU, and Chicago has lost to 4 teams with 7+ losses.  I think Brandeis deserves hosting over UMD, but obviously my opinion doesnt count.

None of that margin-of-victory stuff included in your post is relevant to the D3 tourney, although it may or may not be relevant in terms of the Top 25. And in the eyes of the selection committee, "good" losses can be even more punitive than "bad" losses, because the former constitute entire criteria all by themselves (head-to-head vs. other Pool C aspirants, and record vs. regionally-ranked teams).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 02, 2008, 03:55:38 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on March 01, 2008, 10:52:08 PM
Quote from: guitarhero on March 01, 2008, 09:28:22 PM
any chance Chicago will get to host a first round game?

I would say not so good.  Their chance of getting a top 2 seed in the Midwest is rather low (they were ranked #5 last week).  They may pass Wheaton (IL), with their loss to IWU, but, even if they passes WashU (which they might, since WashU now has 6 losses), Augustana won the CCIW and Lawrence won the MWC.  Therefore, I think the have a chance to move up to the #3 team in the Midwest, but it isnt likely that they would move ahead of the top two teams.

If UW-Whitewater draws an opening-round bye, which is still at least somewhat of a possibility, I can easily envision a scenario in which Chicago would host a first-round game against, say, Aurora or Loras, with the winner traveling up to Whitewater on Saturday as the concluding game of a three-team pod. That's because I suspect that the Maroons will be seeded somewhere in the middle of the Midwest/West Section.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: LogShow on March 02, 2008, 03:57:38 PM
So many possible outcomes...I love this time of year!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 02, 2008, 04:58:04 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 02, 2008, 03:50:05 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on March 01, 2008, 09:05:22 PM
Quote from: howardjp on March 01, 2008, 07:41:54 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 01, 2008, 07:34:19 PM
Makes them a better prospect... but they still have more regional losses than the other two - if I remember correctly. Though... I could be wrong since I am doing this off the top of my head.

five losses - Chicago twice, Washington, U-Mass Dartmouth, Emory (?), memory is fading ...

top 25 will be interesting this week too, how high will Chicago climb?

Actually, Brandeis 5 losses have all been to (potential) NCAA tournament teams: Chicago (2), WashU, Rochester, and UMD.  I dont know what the NCAA will do, but Brandeis has 0 bad losses and has played in a much much tougher conference.  On the other hand,  UMD has one bad loss (to Keene State, who is 16-11) and two losses to LEC champ RIC.  UMD owns the head to head, but how much will the NCAA penalize Brandeis for losing on the road, in over time, 3 months ago (8th game of the year).  I honestly think Brandeis' record is the most impressive in UAA, in the sense that they have not had any big letups.  WashU has had an upset (at the hands of Calvin) and was obliterated by CMU by 31.  Brandeis conversely has not lost by more than 8 points and 2 of their losses were by 2 points and one was in OT (the other losses were by 6 and 8 points, respectively).  Rochester has lost to Emory and NYU, and Chicago has lost to 4 teams with 7+ losses.  I think Brandeis deserves hosting over UMD, but obviously my opinion doesnt count.

None of that margin-of-victory stuff included in your post is relevant to the D3 tourney, although it may or may not be relevant in terms of the Top 25. And in the eyes of the selection committee, "good" losses can be even more punitive than "bad" losses, because the former constitute entire criteria all by themselves (head-to-head vs. other Pool C aspirants, and record vs. regionally-ranked teams).

OK, then I change my argument to:  Brandeis only has one loss to a team that actually competes in the Northeast/East and that was 3 months ago.  Additionally, UMD has now lost twice to RIC in the past month (who is ranked in region).  Will the committee be able to rank UMD above RIC with the 2 head-to-head losses or will the win over Brandeis take precedent.
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Post by: ILive4This on March 02, 2008, 07:12:31 PM
That is an interesting point, I would hope the committee would look at the fact that Brandeis has only that one "real" in region loss, and that every loss is to tournament teams, unlike UMD which lost to Keene State, which is a possible ECAC candidate. Also, They are one of only two d3 teams to defeat Amherst.
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Post by: Pistol Pete on March 02, 2008, 11:23:19 PM
Congrats to Mike McGrath and the Maroons.  What a great run to close out the season.  Hope to see you guys at the tournament.

Cheers,
Pete

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Post by: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2008, 12:44:28 AM
Quote from: ILive4This on March 02, 2008, 07:12:31 PM
That is an interesting point, I would hope the committee would look at the fact that Brandeis has only that one "real" in region loss

The committee won't look at it that way. According to the rules, the UAA losses are just as much in-region losses as was the loss to UMD.

Quote from: ILive4This on March 02, 2008, 07:12:31 PMand that every loss is to tournament teams, unlike UMD which lost to Keene State, which is a possible ECAC candidate. Also, They are one of only two d3 teams to defeat Amherst.

Again, these are not among the selection criteria listed in the handbook, either primary or secondary.
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Post by: deiscanton on March 03, 2008, 09:31:52 AM
It looks like the odds have gotten more favorable for the Brandeis men to be hosting first weekend games when the men's bracket gets released later today.  Amherst will not be hosting men's games this weekend-- the Amherst Lady Jeffs got selected to host first weekend games at LeFrak Gym this weekend on the women's bracket.  That means that Brandeis moved up on the men's side in the secret regional rankings for the Northeast Region.
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Post by: pabegg on March 03, 2008, 09:45:58 AM
One possibility on Amherst: they get a bye and therefore have a single game rather than a full regional. If memory serves, the NCAA has done this in the past where both men and women host on the same day.
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Post by: Jacketfan2011 on March 03, 2008, 10:07:51 AM
Same goes for UR.  Women are hosting the first two rounds.
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Post by: Jacketfan2011 on March 03, 2008, 10:24:19 AM
Never mind.  Sources say somehow the women's regional was shifted to Scranton.  Where it always is.
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Post by: jagluski on March 03, 2008, 12:36:33 PM
Wash U is in...and they get a very strong regional.

At Augustana:

Wash U vs. Wooster
Augustana vs. Aurora
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 03, 2008, 12:42:12 PM
@ St. Thomas v Buena Vista

Chicago v Stevens Point
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Post by: pabegg on March 03, 2008, 12:44:50 PM
Brandeis hosting Lasell, with Bowdoin vs. Curry
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Post by: pabegg on March 03, 2008, 12:55:01 PM
Brandeis ends up with the "phantom regional" hosting. This has been the annual exercise of giving the Northeast a third hosting spot.
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Post by: ILive4This on March 03, 2008, 01:25:35 PM
What does that even mean.

The Lasell/Brandeis game will be a fun one, as the campuses are about 2 miles or less apart from one another. The gym will certainly be packed. The judges are 1 and 0 against teams in their pod, having beaten curry earlier this season. The possibility of a Brandeis Bowdoin second round matchup is an exciting one to me, and I for one am glad if it happens it will be played in Waltham.
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Post by: old_hooper on March 03, 2008, 01:32:03 PM
Lasell should be a good matchup for Brandeis.  They are a hot team right now and it should be an interesting game.  Bowdoin will match up well with the Judges but they do not have the depth of deis.
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Post by: deiscanton on March 03, 2008, 01:47:59 PM
I'm excited that the Brandeis seniors will have a chance to play Lasell and pay them back for the time that Lasell beat Brandeis in the Brandeis men's tip off tournament a few years ago.  Auerbach Arena will be jumping on Friday night. 

BTW, is it fair to call a third first weekend sited pod in the same defined region "phantom"?  I know that traditionally a defined region gets 2 first weekend sites, but the men in the Northeast got 3 sites last year for the first weekend, and so did the women for the first weekend. Brandeis deserved to host this weekend, and I am glad that the men will be hosting.  Amherst and UMass-Dartmouth got first round byes, so I think that's fine.
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Post by: deiscanton on March 03, 2008, 01:59:09 PM
Note on 1st round game of Brandeis v. Lasell--

The last meeting between the two schools was the championship game of the Brandeis Tip Off Tournament on Nov. 20, 2005.  Lasell won that one by a score of 67-64. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on March 03, 2008, 02:29:15 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on March 03, 2008, 01:47:59 PM
I'm excited that the Brandeis seniors will have a chance to play Lasell and pay them back for the time that Lasell beat Brandeis in the Brandeis men's tip off tournament a few years ago.  Auerbach Arena will be jumping on Friday night. 

BTW, is it fair to call a third first weekend sited pod in the same defined region "phantom"?  I know that traditionally a defined region gets 2 first weekend sites, but the men in the Northeast got 3 sites last year for the first weekend, and so did the women for the first weekend. Brandeis deserved to host this weekend, and I am glad that the men will be hosting.  Amherst and UMass-Dartmouth got first round byes, so I think that's fine.

The "phantom regional" was a term that I coined some time ago. Historically, the NCAA has tried to let the top two teams in each region host the regionals. The Atlantic regional lost that consideration several years ago, creating an extra regional that could be assigned to the best #3 ranked team in the area east of Ohio (including the Virginia/North Carolina area).

In any case, Brandeis was always a pretty obvious selection for this spot this year (and since they're playing Lasell instead of a bye, it's clear that they're #3). Note that the East and Mid-Atlantic region have two hosts, as well as the South host in the east at Guilford.

So, please, this isn't a negative commentary on Brandeis, but rather a statement of how the hosting works.

P.S. This is only a men's thing. This doesn't apply to the women, who seem to ignore the regions for bracket purposes.
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Post by: ILive4This on March 03, 2008, 03:01:17 PM
thanks for the clarification, I thought that was how it was meant but I was not sure, I am also a bit surprised by the UMD bye, but I see it as "acceptable"

Alan thanks for that, I remembered Lasell playing at the Tip-off tourny a few years back but I could not remember if they played Brandeis or not. Now that you brought it up, I remember that game clearly, I personally was shocked, but Lasell always packs a punch.

Besides the closeness of these two teams, another interesting thing to note is that much of the student athletic training staff at Brandeis are actually Lasell students.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 04, 2008, 04:48:11 PM
Hoop Dreams,

Nice work on the tourney page on the Chicago profile.  Just a couple of questions...

Are the big guys bangers or more versatile and face the basket and play around the top of the key?  Point seems to have a tough time against big post bangers.  Jeff Skemp 6'10 (Platteville), Dan Beyer 6'8"? (Eau Claire) and Dane Seckar-Anderson from Oshkosh probably can be considered bangers in our league and especially Skemp ate us up.

Also, if your guards are really quick, you'll have the advantage.  DJ Marsh (listed as a 6'4" forward-Oshkosh), Matt Goodwin and Myles McKay from Whitewater and Miles Webb from Stout gave us fits because they are so quick. 

Does U of Chicago play solid defense, are they good at shutting down the opposition's "star" player etc...Point does not really have a star player.  We can go 10 deep without really missing anything from our starters.  Our starters usually don't play 30 minutes and will have 8 or 9 guys log 10+ minutes.  They rotate the players on the floor and most everyone can hit the 3.  We do have some very quick players in Kalifa El-Amin, Drew Jackson and Jared Jenkins, but the latter two are more for defense.

I think Point Special will be putting up a Team capsule for Stevens Point this week.

Thanks for your time in responding.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on March 04, 2008, 06:42:04 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 04, 2008, 04:48:11 PM
Are the big guys bangers or more versatile and face the basket and play around the top of the key?  Point seems to have a tough time against big post bangers.  Jeff Skemp 6'10 (Platteville), Dan Beyer 6'8"? (Eau Claire) and Dane Seckar-Anderson from Oshkosh probably can be considered bangers in our league and especially Skemp ate us up.

Chicago does not really feature classic back-to-the-basket post players -- not like you typically see in the WIAC.  Tim Reynolds is listed at 6'7", 205, so he's a pretty skinny guy.

Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 04, 2008, 04:48:11 PM
Also, if your guards are really quick, you'll have the advantage.  DJ Marsh (listed as a 6'4" forward-Oshkosh), Matt Goodwin and Myles McKay from Whitewater and Miles Webb from Stout gave us fits because they are so quick. 

The Maroons' top 3 scorers (Hainje, Corning and Pancratz) all can put the ball on the floor and get to the basket.  Much of Chicago's offense is based off of dribble penetration.

Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 04, 2008, 04:48:11 PM
Does U of Chicago play solid defense, are they good at shutting down the opposition's "star" player etc...

Chicago is a solid defensive team.  Jake Pancratz, as I mentioned, is a great defender and is usually assigned the opposing team's top guard.  The Maroons were able to limit the effectiveness of Wash U All-American center Troy Ruths on Saturday by throwing different bodies at him and making him earn his points from the line.

It sounds like Point and Chicago might be somewhat similar teams.  UWSP may have more depth, but Chicago's Big 3 are difficult to match up with.  It should be a good game.  I know WIAC teams are always tough in the tournament.  Chicago was eliminated by WIAC teams in 1998 (Platteville) and 2000 (Stevens Point) and barely beat Eau Claire in Chicago in 2001.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 04, 2008, 10:30:56 PM
Carnegie Mellon hosts Grove City tomorrow and NYU plays at St. Joseph's tomorrow in their respetive ECAC tournaments.

UAA with 6 teams in post season play, not bad.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 05, 2008, 02:56:01 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 04, 2008, 04:48:11 PMAre the big guys bangers or more versatile and face the basket and play around the top of the key?  Point seems to have a tough time against big post bangers.  Jeff Skemp 6'10 (Platteville), Dan Beyer 6'8"? (Eau Claire) and Dane Seckar-Anderson from Oshkosh probably can be considered bangers in our league and especially Skemp ate us up.

Tim Reynolds and Tom Watson post up, as does nearly every Maroon -- the team's offensive sets are based upon postups -- but they're serviceable big men, role players and nothing more. Neither Watson nor Reynolds is someone with whom UWSP will need to concern itself much.

Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 04, 2008, 04:48:11 PMAlso, if your guards are really quick, you'll have the advantage.  DJ Marsh (listed as a 6'4" forward-Oshkosh), Matt Goodwin and Myles McKay from Whitewater and Miles Webb from Stout gave us fits because they are so quick. 

Chicago isn't a particularly quick team. Nobody has what I would consider an exceptionally quick first step. As Hoop Dreams said, the Maroons offense is predicated upon dribble penetration, but it's not your classic, streetball-type gunslinger slashing -- it's dribble penetration that's based upon good preliminary ball movement, recognition, and from slips out of the post.

Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 04, 2008, 04:48:11 PMDoes U of Chicago play solid defense, are they good at shutting down the opposition's "star" player etc...

Chicago's not a great defensive team, but it is a good one. Hoops Dreams mentioned the performance against Ruths last Saturday; the Maroons stopped Ruths by: a) giving him the open ten-footer if he wanted it; and b) collapsing upon him when he was five or six feet from the basket, knowing full well that if Troy Ruths gets to within two or three feet of the basket it is for all intents and purposes a guaranteed layup against probably any defender in D3. That's not specificially relevant to UWSP, of course, since the Pointers don't have anyone like Ruths, but it does illustrate that Mike McGrath not only game-plans effectively for defense but that his players are consummately capable of executive that defensive game plan.

Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 04, 2008, 04:48:11 PMPoint does not really have a star player.  We can go 10 deep without really missing anything from our starters.  Our starters usually don't play 30 minutes and will have 8 or 9 guys log 10+ minutes.  They rotate the players on the floor and most everyone can hit the 3.

Chicago isn't deep, but it is versatile. In fact, "versatile" is the best word to describe the 2007-08 Maroons. Star 6'5 forward Nate Hainje is pretty much the guy whose picture is in the dictionary next to the word "versatile", but Adam Machones and Matt Corning are good-sized wings who can also shoot, defend, dribble, and rebound without any real weaknesses in those areas. Jake Pancratz is a good, steady point guard who can also defend, penetrate, and shoot the trey. You won't beat Chicago with specialists; you have to beat the Maroons by having each of your players do everything a little bit better than each of the Maroons do everything.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on March 05, 2008, 02:48:31 PM
thats six out of six, as emory and case are not eligible for ECAC tournaments geographically. At least I think this is the case.

well i guess the math is more complicated than this, because all 8 had a shot at the NCAA tournament, but only 4 of the teams have a shot at the ecac tournament, so....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 05, 2008, 08:47:23 PM
2007-08 UAA Men's Basketball Honors

Player of the Year: Nate Hainje • University of Chicago

Rookie of the Year: Kevin Herring • Case Western Reserve University

Coaching Staff of the Year: University of Chicago • Head Coach Mike McGrath,
                                           Assistant Coaches Jarred Samples, Jim Prunty


2007-08 UAA MEN'S ALL-ASSOCIATION BASKETBALL TEAM

FIRST TEAM

Joe Coppens Brandeis 6-3 G Sr. Rockland, MA (Rockland)
Matt Corning Chicago 6-4 G Jr. Wauconda, IL (Mundelein)
Spiros Ferderigos Emory 6-1 G Sr. Oldsmar, FL (Berkeley Preparatory)
Greg Gonzalez Carnegie Mellon 6-8 F/C Sr. Southlake, TX (Carroll)
Nate Hainje Chicago 6-5 F Sr. Brownsburg, IN (Brownsburg) † Player of the Year
Tyler Nading Washington 6-7 F Jr. Highlands Ranch, CO (Thunder Ridge)
Troy Ruths Washington 6-6 F Sr. Sugar Land, TX (Stephen F. Austin)


SECOND TEAM

Robert Dominiak Rochester 6-3 G Sr. New York, NY (Birch Wathen Lenox)
Ryan Einwag Carnegie Mellon 6-5 F Jr. Pittsburgh, PA (Baldwin)
Terrell Hollins Brandeis 6-4 F So. Springfield, MA (Longmeadow)
Uche Ndubizu Rochester 6-6 F/C Sr. West Windsor, NJ (W. Windsor-Plainsboro)
Jon Onyiriuka Rochester 6-7 C Sr. Painted Post, NY (Corning-Painted Post West)
Jake Pancratz Chicago 6-1 G So. Schaumburg, IL (Schaumburg)
Steve Young Case 6-2 G Jr. St. Louis, MO (Marquette)


HONORABLE MENTION

Brandeis: Stephen Hill, Kevin Olson; Case: Mason Conrad; Emory: Anthony Fernandez; NYU: Keith Jensen, John Mish, Charlie Parker; Chicago: Tim Reynolds; Rochester: Mike Chmielowiec, Jeff Juron; Washington: Cameron Smith, Aaron Thompson
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Post by: Hugenerd on March 05, 2008, 08:49:45 PM
Some surprises:  Greg Gonzalez makes first team over both Rochester big men.  Nate Hainje deservedly wins Player of the Year (some though Ruths would repeat). Corning making first team over Pancratz and Dominiak is also a bit of a surprise.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 05, 2008, 08:55:56 PM
CMU beats Grove City tonight 72-61.  Greg Gonzalez had another huge game with 13 points, 19 rebounds, and 4 blocks.  Ryan Einwag had 21 points and Geoff Kozak had 15.

NYU also won 83-79.  John Mish had 19 and 11.
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Post by: dblock on March 06, 2008, 01:50:41 PM
How do you guy feels about the UAA Honors?

I think ROY should have went to NYU's Richie Polan.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 06, 2008, 03:25:35 PM
Given that the coaches saw all the players they are voting on and I havent, it looks like they went mainly by point per game.  Herring averaged 12.2 ppg (16th in the conference), 3 more ppg than Polan (27th in the conference). 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on March 06, 2008, 04:24:12 PM
You all know how highly I think of Nate Hainje, so I'm thrilled to see him win UAA Player of the Year.  Nothing against Troy Ruths, who has had a terrific career and is probably the best post player this league has seen since Derek Reich.  I'm guessing if Wash U had won on Saturday, Ruths would have been POY -- so it's fitting that Hainje's 23-foot rainbow three with 49 seconds left on Saturday not only sealed the win for Chicago, but the POY for Nate.

Congrats also to Mike McGrath and his assistants for winning UAA Coaching Staff of the Year.  In my opinion, this team represents McGrath's best coaching job during his very successful tenure in Hyde Park.  I say this because of the production he had to replace from last year, the vast improvement of the Maroons from November until now, the team's confidence level, and the number of wins against great teams required to win this year's title.

Mark Edwards also deserves recognition for the job he did at Wash U this season.  To lose a PG as good as Sean Wallis and still finish 2nd in the UAA and be going to the tournament is a credit to the Bears coaching staff.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: theBroadcaster on March 06, 2008, 09:58:03 PM
Quote from: Hoop Dreams on March 06, 2008, 04:24:12 PM
Mark Edwards also deserves recognition for the job he did at Wash U this season.  To lose a PG as good as Sean Wallis and still finish 2nd in the UAA and be going to the tournament is a credit to the Bears coaching staff.
Likewise credit has to be give to Brian Meehan and his coaching staff at Brandeis.  To lose their best player in Steve Deluca and still tie a school record with 20 wins is quite an accomplishment itself.  All 3 coaches should be commended for the job they've done.

Completely unrelated, which UAA team do you think has the best chance of making it to the Final 4?  It's seems Rochester has the easiest route, as Brandeis would probably have to go through Amherst and WashU and Chicago could wind up playing each other before then
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Post by: Gregory Sager on March 07, 2008, 01:38:03 AM
Quote from: Hoop Dreams on March 06, 2008, 04:24:12 PMCongrats also to Mike McGrath and his assistants for winning UAA Coaching Staff of the Year.  In my opinion, this team represents McGrath's best coaching job during his very successful tenure in Hyde Park.  I say this because of the production he had to replace from last year, the vast improvement of the Maroons from November until now, the team's confidence level, and the number of wins against great teams required to win this year's title.

Well said, HD. My thoughts exactly.
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Post by: theBroadcaster on March 07, 2008, 11:26:15 AM
For extensive live coverage of Brandeis basketball in the NCAA tournament, click on over to www.wbrs.org. WBRS, 100.1FM Waltham, will be both in NJ with the women and at home with the men!  Here's the broadcast schedule for tonight:

5PM- Taped interview with Brian Meehan, head coach of the Mens squad
5:20- Womens Pregame
5:30- Womens basketball vs. Southern Maine @ Kean University
    * Brian Raab, Ravi Kotecha, and Zach Aronow on the call
    * Taped interview with Stephen Hill, mens center at half-time
7:45-Mens Pregame
8:00PM-Mens basketball vs. Lasell College @ Red Auerbach Arena
    * Steven Gross, Ben Gellman-Chomsky, and Ian Guss on the call
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Post by: John Gleich on March 07, 2008, 07:17:32 PM
Chicago leads Point 19-8 early, they led 17-0

Wash U leads Wooster 20-11

Under 10 for both games
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Post by: kiltedbryan on March 07, 2008, 07:41:48 PM
Wash U 34
Wooster 27

Halftime

Ruths has 17 and Cooper hasn't scored for Wooster.  If that continues in the 2nd half, Wooster's got a long night coming.
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Post by: magicman on March 07, 2008, 08:18:39 PM
Washington U. up 66-58 with 3:12 to go
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Post by: John Gleich on March 07, 2008, 08:31:44 PM
Chicago had a 17-0 lead, but Point comes back for a 29-34 lead at the half.  Point doesn't relinquesh the lead in the second half and wins by 14.
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Post by: magicman on March 07, 2008, 08:34:30 PM
Washington U. wins 79-74 over Wooster
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Post by: magicman on March 07, 2008, 08:52:29 PM
Uof R up 21-20 over Middlebury at the half.
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Post by: howardjp on March 07, 2008, 08:54:54 PM
Brandeis 55-45, 14 minutes left
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Post by: mrmike88 on March 07, 2008, 08:57:22 PM
Rochester starts on an early run in the 2nd half, up 8 at the first time out.
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Post by: Hugenerd on March 07, 2008, 09:15:12 PM
Rochester up 41-37 with 6:37 left.  Brandeis 19 with under 5 to go.
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Post by: Hugenerd on March 07, 2008, 09:17:37 PM
Rochester goes on a 6-0 run, to go up 47-37 with 4:26 left. Brandeis up 73-51 with 3:17 left.
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Post by: Hugenerd on March 07, 2008, 09:23:33 PM
UR up 10, 51-41, with 2:00 to go.  Middlebury now fouling intentionally.
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Post by: howardjp on March 07, 2008, 09:28:36 PM
80-59 Brandeis, big game for Rexhepi with 19 points, everyone played.  Bowdoin is next.
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Post by: Hugenerd on March 07, 2008, 10:57:37 PM
UAA now 75-18 out of conference for the season.  There are still 5 teams alive in post season play, with 3 in the NCAAs. CMU (2:00) and NYU (8:00) play tomorrow in their respective ECAC semis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 08, 2008, 03:18:51 PM
CMU up 14 with 7:30 to go.
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Post by: Hugenerd on March 08, 2008, 03:42:35 PM
CMU wins 69-54.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 08, 2008, 08:40:28 PM
UR and Brandeis both win.
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Post by: Hugenerd on March 08, 2008, 09:34:49 PM
WashU up 2, Augie shooting FTs with 0.9 second to go.  Nading fouls out.
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Post by: Hugenerd on March 08, 2008, 09:37:44 PM
They make both, game going to OT unless WashU can go the length of the court in 0.9 seconds.
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Post by: Hugenerd on March 08, 2008, 09:43:42 PM
NYU loses tonight, 56-44.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 08, 2008, 09:46:20 PM
FT shooting has killed WashU tonight, if they had made them in regulation, the game wouldnt have gone to OT.  In OT, they have already (1:30 left) missed 2, one being the front end of a 1 and 1.  They are trailing by 1, with the ball.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 08, 2008, 09:49:42 PM
WashU up 2, big 3 by cameron smith.  Oboyle shooting 2 fts, misses 1.  Washu up 3.  TO Augie, they have the ball in the frontcourt with 5 seconds left.
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Post by: pabegg on March 08, 2008, 10:10:59 PM
WashU survives on the road. It may be ugly, but they won it.

You'd have to think that they have a pretty good chance of hosting, with Buena Vista, St. Mary's MD, and Mary Hardin-Baylor as the other three schools, as only BV and WashU are within driving distance of each other.

I'd guess that Rochester is headed south in their regional and that Brandeis is probably headed to Amherst.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: HopeConvert on March 08, 2008, 10:15:28 PM
Millsaps beat UMHB.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on March 08, 2008, 10:21:35 PM
So if UR gets sent to Ursinus, it really means the rankings don't mean a whole lot.  Have I got that right? 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on March 09, 2008, 09:35:16 AM
Quote from: pabegg on March 08, 2008, 10:10:59 PM
WashU survives on the road. It may be ugly, but they won it.

You'd have to think that they have a pretty good chance of hosting, with Buena Vista, St. Mary's MD, and Mary Hardin-Baylor as the other three schools, as only BV and WashU are within driving distance of each other.

I'd guess that Rochester is headed south in their regional and that Brandeis is probably headed to Amherst.

Quote from: HopeConvert on March 08, 2008, 10:15:28 PM
Millsaps beat UMHB.
Whoops - the 56 looked a lot like 58 when I read it.
Since Millsaps and WashU are within 500 miles of each other, it would increase WashU's chance of hosting, since only SMMD would have to fly.

Quote from: Jacketfan2011 on March 08, 2008, 10:21:35 PM
So if UR gets sent to Ursinus, it really means the rankings don't mean a whole lot.  Have I got that right? 
Rochester is the #2 ranked team in the East. All things being equal, I would expect them to be on the road at the #1 team in the Mid-Atlantic.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 09, 2008, 10:33:09 AM
I think he was talking about the d3hoops rankings.  They dont mean a thing when it comes to NCAA rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 09, 2008, 12:31:31 PM
WashU is hosting a sectional.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: scottiedawg on March 09, 2008, 12:53:54 PM
Ursinus 22-1 In-Region #72 OWP
Rochester 19-5 In-Region #14 OWP

That looks like an easy decision to me.  However, I think everyone would agree that UR is better than a 5 loss in-region team.  At the same time, Ursinus is on a roll, Nick Shattuck is a beast to deal with.  Perhaps UR's "those-who-are-heard-to-pronounce" will be able to slow him down. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on March 09, 2008, 01:15:26 PM
That would be a great matchup to watch, but UR better not overlook Coast Guard.  Anyone know f the Ursnus students wll be on campus?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on March 09, 2008, 01:43:04 PM
Congrats to Wash U. for bringing a sectional to the STL.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 09, 2008, 06:41:28 PM
Congrats to CMU for winning the ECAC South tourney.  Ryan Einwag was named most outstanding player for the tourney.

UAA has 6 teams with at least 16 wins (NYU 16), 5 with at least 18 wins (Chicago 18, CMU 19), and 3 teams with at least 21 wins, so far (WashU 21, Brandeis and Rochester 22).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2008, 08:52:13 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on March 09, 2008, 10:33:09 AM
I think he was talking about the d3hoops rankings.  They dont mean a thing when it comes to NCAA rankings.

Never have.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 09, 2008, 10:02:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2008, 08:52:13 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on March 09, 2008, 10:33:09 AM
I think he was talking about the d3hoops rankings.  They dont mean a thing when it comes to NCAA rankings.

Never have.

My point exactly!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 09, 2008, 11:13:05 PM
UAA showing who the boss is with Wash U., Brandeis and Rochester moving onto the Sweet 16.  The most impressive has to be Washington U. as they knocked off Wooster and host Augustana.  Obviously being at home isn't a guarantee, but Brandeis and Rochester hosted pods and got by Lasell and Bowdoin, and Middlebury and Penn St.-Behrend, respectively.

The UAA went 2-0 vs. the NESCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 09, 2008, 11:32:52 PM
I dont know what others think, but I think Rochester matches up really well against CGA.  CGA's strength is their two big men, Craig Johnson and Jeff Prebeck, but you would expect them to have trouble against Rochester's big men who are the two best defensive big men in the UAA (in my opinion).  The UR big men are tall and physical and should limit CGA's second chance opportunities.  Rochester has had some off games, though, so anything can happen.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Cards7580 on March 09, 2008, 11:45:12 PM
Foul Shooting woes will be U of R downfall.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on March 10, 2008, 04:49:05 AM
Quote from: fpc85 on Yesterday at 03:18:08 pm
any suggestions for reasonably priced hotels in the plattsburgh area?


Ticket info. Plattsburgh State College Center 518-564-2000. Tickets go on sale Tuesday morning.

Places to stay in Plattsburgh.

Best Western on Rt 3 518-561-7750 5 mins. from gym
Holiday Inn on Rt 3 518-561-5000        "                 "
Comfort Inn on Rt 3 518-562-2730        "                 "
Econo Lodge on Rt 3 518-561-1500        "                "
Microtel Inn & Suites on Rt 3 518-324-3800  "          "
Day's Inn on Rt 3 518-561-0403                  "           "

Fine Dining in Plattsburgh.

Anthony's Restaurant & Bistro Rt 3 518-561-6420
Butcher Block Restaurant Rt 3 518-563-0920
These are 2 of Plattsburgh's Finest. Reservation will probably be required so call ahead.

Other fine establishments are
Arnie's Restaurant downtown Plattsburgh Fine Italian Restaurant since 1951 518-563-3003
Irises Cafe & Wine Bar downtown Plattsburgh 518-566-7000

And of course we have most of the chains. Pizza Hut, Applebys, Ground Round, Friendly's, Lum's, Ninety Nine, and a host of others.

Weather report for the coming weekend was lower to mid 40's and rainy, on both days.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 10, 2008, 07:05:35 AM
Congrats to Mike McGrath of Chicago for engineering such a highly successful season, and to Nate Hainje for a great career in a Maroons uniform.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 10, 2008, 08:23:09 PM
Here's some information on the Ursinus sectional.  Includes accommodation, dining, directions, and team info:

http://www.ursinus.edu/content.asp?page=wintersports/BasketballM/0708/NCAAs/Sectional/NCAAsec.htm

Congrats to the three UAA teams still dancing, and safe travels to everyone this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: walzy31 on March 11, 2008, 10:31:30 AM
Amherst -8.5 Vs. Richard Stockton at Plattsburgh
Brandeis -13 @ Plattsburgh

Hugenerd,
Where did your big calculator go? I loved that thing.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on March 11, 2008, 11:09:09 AM
Walzy, bringing your lines over to the UAA now? pretty interesting stuff, I am not sure how familiar you are with our teams or the opponents. I would like to think Brandeis could get away from this game that easy, but I think a team that has two losses, none in region, and will be playing on their home floor, may be a bit harder to defeat. I would have expected a more conservative line, perhaps of 3 or 4, especially in the 3rd round of the tournament. Also being the NESCAC specialist, I would have figured a larger spread for the amherst game.

As a side note, I am not looking for the nicest places to sleep/eat in plattsburgh, just the cheapest, perhaps a place i can split with 3 other people and get out paying only 10-20 bucks....any one have any insight for me, I am a cheap college student looking to see the games on a meager budget.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 11, 2008, 11:35:11 AM
Quote from: walzy31 on March 11, 2008, 10:31:30 AM
Amherst -8.5 Vs. Richard Stockton at Plattsburgh
Brandeis -13 @ Plattsburgh

Hugenerd,
Where did your big calculator go? I loved that thing.


Its a long story, but the calculator is back up, and better than ever.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on March 11, 2008, 11:40:55 AM
Is that a TI-89? while not as easy to use for statistics as the TI-83 or its successors the TI-83+, TI-83 Silver and now TI-84, the TI-89 is superior when looking to make calculus all the more bearable.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2008, 01:22:45 PM
Jostens Trophy winners announced (http://www.d3hoops.com)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: eazye1334 on March 11, 2008, 02:01:08 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on March 11, 2008, 11:40:55 AM
Is that a TI-89? while not as easy to use for statistics as the TI-83 or its successors the TI-83+, TI-83 Silver and now TI-84, the TI-89 is superior when looking to make calculus all the more bearable.
Definitely an 89. An engineer can tell from a mile away  :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 11, 2008, 02:22:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2008, 01:22:45 PM
Jostens Trophy winners announced (http://www.d3hoops.com)

Congratulations to Troy Ruths of Wash U for winning the Jostens Trophy.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 11, 2008, 03:03:12 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on March 11, 2008, 11:40:55 AM
Is that a TI-89? while not as easy to use for statistics as the TI-83 or its successors the TI-83+, TI-83 Silver and now TI-84, the TI-89 is superior when looking to make calculus all the more bearable.

I actually find that the statistics package on the TI-86 is far superior to that of the 83 or 83+.  It has a better user-interface and it is easier to implement under time constraints.  The TI-89 is a step up, but you have to know how to harness its power, or else you can find yourself feeling overwhelmed and lost.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 11, 2008, 03:04:23 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on March 05, 2008, 08:43:54 PM
My guess Troy Ruths wins the Jostens this year, but I think JB has a good shot next year.

I know I wasnt going out on a limb, but I called this a week ago on the NEWMAC board (JB is referring to Jimmy Bartolotta, who averaged 24 ppg, 6 rpg, 4 apg, 2.3 spg, 53% FG, 42% 3FG, and 81% FT for MIT) .
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on March 11, 2008, 07:15:54 PM
you also need to consider academics, extra curricular  and community service for this award I believe. Ruths is a phenomenal ball player, but also boast a ridiculous GPA and if I remember correctly created a computer science curriculum that is used at many middle schools across the nation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on March 11, 2008, 09:56:58 PM
In the ridiculous trivia department:

If there is one team that WashU is afraid of in the tournament, it is Ohio Wesleyan. Why?

Here's their tournament record against Wesleyans:

1987:North Carolina Wesleyan 64-66
1988:Nebraska Wesleyan 55-58
1995:Illinois Wesleyan 65-90
1996:Illinois Wesleyan 61-73
2003:Illinois Wesleyan 73-85
2007:Virginia Wesleyan 65-67

0-6! Ouch.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: HopeConvert on March 11, 2008, 10:18:48 PM
We're all a little scared of Wesleyans.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: SLP-O-8 on March 11, 2008, 11:06:13 PM
Congrats to Troy Ruths on his Jostens award.  I have never been able to see him play so could somebody explain his game. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 11, 2008, 11:34:40 PM
Quote from: pabegg on March 11, 2008, 09:56:58 PM
In the ridiculous trivia department:

If there is one team that WashU is afraid of in the tournament, it is Ohio Wesleyan. Why?

Here's their tournament record against Wesleyans:

1987:North Carolina Wesleyan 64-66
1988:Nebraska Wesleyan 55-58
1995:Illinois Wesleyan 65-90
1996:Illinois Wesleyan 61-73
2003:Illinois Wesleyan 73-85
2007:Virginia Wesleyan 65-67

0-6! Ouch.


But you forget:

1964: Wash U beats Nebraska Wesleyan 67-64 in a regional consolation  :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: realplayer on March 12, 2008, 02:33:26 AM
Congrats to UAA for proving they are the best conference in the land!

Note: Only four teams in last week's Top 10 made it the the Sweet 16.  I have a question though.  Does anyone else think the D3Hoops Top 25 poll should note that the votes are purely fan based?  I think it if was noted this way there would be less criticism and more fun.  Teams would play for popularity instead what they think is a credited poll.  It states that the current voters are "coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members", but their votes seem unrealistic sometimes.  Is Gregory Sager a coach, SID, or media member?  If I recall I believe he voted on the All-Decade Team as a fan.  I know how much he hearts CCIW, and judges the whole UAA based on how they play at Chicago, but is it just a coincidence that all five decade teams have at least one CCIW member on them?  Also, anyone who knows anything about basketball knows Dauksas is not a better point guard than Crotty.  Plus, if I only win 9 games my senior season and make D3Hoops  First Team All-American and the All-Decade Team I would be the happiest guy alive knowing I took a spot away from someone that made their team win.  Sounds like popularity to me.  Also, how can a national runner-up finish THIRD in the D3hoops Final Poll?!?!  (See 2005)  If the poll is based on the WHOLE season I guess it didn't take into account the head to head match up to play for a national title!  I'm sure there are many other discrepancies but these come first to mind.  I love the site and this is just my opinion.  I'd love to hear what you guys think.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on March 12, 2008, 03:37:53 AM
Quote from: ILive4This on March 11, 2008, 11:09:09 AM
Walzy, bringing your lines over to the UAA now? pretty interesting stuff, I am not sure how familiar you are with our teams or the opponents. I would like to think Brandeis could get away from this game that easy, but I think a team that has two losses, none in region, and will be playing on their home floor, may be a bit harder to defeat. I would have expected a more conservative line, perhaps of 3 or 4, especially in the 3rd round of the tournament. Also being the NESCAC specialist, I would have figured a larger spread for the amherst game.

As a side note, I am not looking for the nicest places to sleep/eat in plattsburgh, just the cheapest, perhaps a place i can split with 3 other people and get out paying only 10-20 bucks....any one have any insight for me, I am a cheap college student looking to see the games on a meager budget.

IL4T,
I agree with you. Walzy's lines are a little off.

Correct lines for the Plattsburgh sectional

Amherst -11 vs Richard Stockton   Jersey team will be scrappy, quick, and they have good shooters but will definitely have trouble dealing with the Amherst bigs. Stockton starts a 6'5" forward, a 6'3" forward, a 6'2" forward and 2  6'0" guards. Ospreys will need to shoot lights out to prevent being blown out.

Plattsburgh -3 vs Brandeis    Home court for the Cardinals gives them the edge here. On paper these teams match up pretty evenly. Cardinals never out of a game as evidenced by their huge comeback against Uof R in last years 1st round NCAA game and coming from 22 down in the 2nd half at Middlebury on Feb. 5th, of this year. Brandeis could easily be favored here and I think this will be the best game of the sectional. I think the winner of this game advances to the Final Four and quite possibly wins it all.

Regarding places to stay and restauranrts in the area:  Go to page 405 on the NESCAC posting board. I gave a list of places to stay and eat, all within 5 minutes of Memorial Hall gym.  Maybe I'll see you at the game. Hope you have tickets. Plattsburgh/Brandeis game sold out in 3 hours.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 12, 2008, 04:34:05 AM
Quote from: pabegg on March 11, 2008, 09:56:58 PM
In the ridiculous trivia department:

If there is one team that WashU is afraid of in the tournament, it is Ohio Wesleyan. Why?

Here's their tournament record against Wesleyans:

1987:North Carolina Wesleyan 64-66
1988:Nebraska Wesleyan 55-58
1995:Illinois Wesleyan 65-90
1996:Illinois Wesleyan 61-73
2003:Illinois Wesleyan 73-85
2007:Virginia Wesleyan 65-67

0-6! Ouch.


Terrific sleuthing, Patrick. Kudos!

Quote from: jagluski on March 11, 2008, 11:34:40 PMBut you forget:

1964: Wash U beats Nebraska Wesleyan 67-64 in a regional consolation  :)

Also nicely researched. But since that was an NCAA College Division tournament game (College Division's records have been subsumed into D2's) Patrick's point still stands as it concerns the D3 tourney.

Quote from: SLP-O-8 on March 11, 2008, 11:06:13 PM
Congrats to Troy Ruths on his Jostens award.  I have never been able to see him play so could somebody explain his game. 

He's not a tremendously big center (6'6, 220), but he's an extraordinary finisher no matter who is guarding him. If he's got the ball within three feet of the basket, you might as well start running downcourt, because the two points are all but guaranteed.

Quote from: realplayer on March 12, 2008, 02:33:26 AM
Congrats to UAA for proving they are the best conference in the land!

Note: Only four teams in last week's Top 10 made it the the Sweet 16.  I have a question though.  Does anyone else think the D3Hoops Top 25 poll should note that the votes are purely fan based?  I think it if was noted this way there would be less criticism and more fun.  Teams would play for popularity instead what they think is a credited poll.  It states that the current voters are "coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members", but their votes seem unrealistic sometimes.

It's not a fan-based poll. The description of the 25 pollsters is accurate: They are coaches, SIDs, and media members.

Quote from: realplayer on March 12, 2008, 02:33:26 AMIs Gregory Sager a coach, SID, or media member?

No. Nor am I a d3hoops.com Top 25 pollster.

Quote from: realplayer on March 12, 2008, 02:33:26 AMIf I recall I believe he voted on the All-Decade Team as a fan.

You believe incorrectly. At Pat Coleman's request I wrote the profiles of three of the All-Decade team members: Drew Carstens, Antoine McDaniel, and Jason Wiertel. I had no part whatsoever in selecting them, or any of the other All-Decade team members for that matter.

Quote from: realplayer on March 12, 2008, 02:33:26 AMI know how much he hearts CCIW, and judges the whole UAA based on how they play at Chicago, but is it just a coincidence that all five decade teams have at least one CCIW member on them?

I don't know if it's a coincidence or not, since I had nothing to do with the selection of the All-Decade team. Your insinuation that I had some sort of influence over how the All-Decade team was put together, and that said influence was prejudiced by the fact that I'm an alumnus of a CCIW school, is completely in error.

If you have a beef with the All-Decade team, take it up with Pat. I can assure you that Pat doesn't "heart CCIW". In fact, I can pretty much guarantee that Pat will do one of these when he sees that you've used the word "heart" as a verb:  ::)

:D

Quote from: realplayer on March 12, 2008, 02:33:26 AMAlso, anyone who knows anything about basketball knows Dauksas is not a better point guard than Crotty.

Neither of those players were a part of the UAA. Your assertion is therefore not relevant to this room. If the All-Decade team is really such a stone in your shoe, I suggest that you start a new room to discuss it rather than dropping your All-Decade team complaints into the middle of the UAA conversation. After all, the UAA has three teams in the Sweet Sixteen that are worth discussing.

Quote from: realplayer on March 12, 2008, 02:33:26 AMPlus, if I only win 9 games my senior season and make D3Hoops  First Team All-American and the All-Decade Team I would be the happiest guy alive knowing I took a spot away from someone that made their team win.  Sounds like popularity to me.  Also, how can a national runner-up finish THIRD in the D3hoops Final Poll?!?!  (See 2005)  If the poll is based on the WHOLE season I guess it didn't take into account the head to head match up to play for a national title!  I'm sure there are many other discrepancies but these come first to mind.  I love the site and this is just my opinion.  I'd love to hear what you guys think.

First of all, the national runner-up in 2005, Rochester, didn't finish third in the 2005 poll. It finished fourth. Trinity (TX) finished third. Nevertheless, your All-Decade team and d3hoops.com Top 25 poll grievances aren't really germane to this room. The Top 25 poll has its own room, and, as I said, if you want to have a Dauksas vs. Crotty debate, or whatever, you ought to start an All-Decade team room in which to hold it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2008, 10:38:18 AM
Quote from: realplayer on March 12, 2008, 02:33:26 AM
Also, how can a national runner-up finish THIRD in the D3hoops Final Poll?!?!  (See 2005)  If the poll is based on the WHOLE season I guess it didn't take into account the head to head match up to play for a national title!  I'm sure there are many other discrepancies but these come first to mind. 

You have a number of ridiculous assumptions here that have already been adequately answered, but I'll handle this one.

We took into account the entirety of the season and the tournament, including the roads that teams had to face in the early rounds. Simply being in the Final Two doesn't equate to being in the Top Two in Division III, considering the money-saving way in which the brackets are set up.

Quote from: realplayer on March 12, 2008, 02:33:26 AM
this is just my opinion. 

Clearly. There's very little fact here. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on March 12, 2008, 10:47:52 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2008, 10:38:18 AM
Quote from: realplayer on March 12, 2008, 02:33:26 AM
Also, how can a national runner-up finish THIRD in the D3hoops Final Poll?!?!  (See 2005)  If the poll is based on the WHOLE season I guess it didn't take into account the head to head match up to play for a national title!  I'm sure there are many other discrepancies but these come first to mind. 

You have a number of ridiculous assumptions here that have already been adequately answered, but I'll handle this one.

We took into account the entirety of the season and the tournament, including the roads that teams had to face in the early rounds. Simply being in the Final Two doesn't equate to being in the Top Two in Division III, considering the money-saving way in which the brackets are set up.


So hypothetically speaking, a team could  come from out of nowhere (outside the Top 25, say) have an easy path to the title game, win the National Championship game, and not be ranked #1 in the final poll?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2008, 10:49:22 AM
No, not for No. 1, silly.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fpc85 on March 12, 2008, 12:25:13 PM
Quote from: magicman on March 12, 2008, 03:37:53 AM
Quote from: ILive4This on March 11, 2008, 11:09:09 AM
Walzy, bringing your lines over to the UAA now? pretty interesting stuff, I am not sure how familiar you are with our teams or the opponents. I would like to think Brandeis could get away from this game that easy, but I think a team that has two losses, none in region, and will be playing on their home floor, may be a bit harder to defeat. I would have expected a more conservative line, perhaps of 3 or 4, especially in the 3rd round of the tournament. Also being the NESCAC specialist, I would have figured a larger spread for the amherst game.


IL4T,
I agree with you. Walzy's lines are a little off.

Correct lines for the Plattsburgh sectional

Amherst -11 vs Richard Stockton   Jersey team will be scrappy, quick, and they have good shooters but will definitely have trouble dealing with the Amherst bigs. Stockton starts a 6'5" forward, a 6'3" forward, a 6'2" forward and 2  6'0" guards. Ospreys will need to shoot lights out to prevent being blown out.

Plattsburgh -3 vs Brandeis    Home court for the Cardinals gives them the edge here. On paper these teams match up pretty evenly. Cardinals never out of a game as evidenced by their huge comeback against Uof R in last years 1st round NCAA game and coming from 22 down in the 2nd half at Middlebury on Feb. 5th, of this year. Brandeis could easily be favored here and I think this will be the best game of the sectional. I think the winner of this game advances to the Final Four and quite possibly wins it all.

no love for the defending champs? and people wonder why the jeff fans praise there team...outside of the amherst fans  i think they are the least respected champion in recent memory...at least since i have been following (2003)...the jeffs can do it again. they have the most experience and arguably the most talent  ...i am really looking forward to this weekend ;D..
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on March 12, 2008, 01:03:21 PM


IL4T,
I agree with you. Walzy's lines are a little off.

Correct lines for the Plattsburgh sectional

Amherst -11 vs Richard Stockton   Jersey team will be scrappy, quick, and they have good shooters but will definitely have trouble dealing with the Amherst bigs. Stockton starts a 6'5" forward, a 6'3" forward, a 6'2" forward and 2  6'0" guards. Ospreys will need to shoot lights out to prevent being blown out.

Plattsburgh -3 vs Brandeis    Home court for the Cardinals gives them the edge here. On paper these teams match up pretty evenly. Cardinals never out of a game as evidenced by their huge comeback against Uof R in last years 1st round NCAA game and coming from 22 down in the 2nd half at Middlebury on Feb. 5th, of this year. Brandeis could easily be favored here and I think this will be the best game of the sectional. I think the winner of this game advances to the Final Four and quite possibly wins it all.

[/quote]
no love for the defending champs? and people wonder why the jeff fans praise there team...outside of the amherst fans  i think they are the least respected champion in recent memory...at least since i have been following (2003)...the jeffs can do it again. they have the most experience and arguably the most talent  ...i am really looking forward to this weekend ;D..
[/quote]

Well, in all fairness, Magicman would like Plattsburghs chances against the Celtics.....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fpc85 on March 12, 2008, 01:15:11 PM
fair enough...fans are  a big part of the experience...it should be a fun weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2008, 01:45:25 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hoops on March 12, 2008, 04:27:05 PM
anyone know if Deluca from Brandeis will get an extra year of eligibilty since he missed this whole year bascially?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: theBroadcaster on March 12, 2008, 05:32:32 PM
Quote from: hoops on March 12, 2008, 04:27:05 PM
anyone know if Deluca from Brandeis will get an extra year of eligibilty since he missed this whole year bascially?
As far as the latest reports go, DeLuca should be applying for a medical redshirt and granted eligibility for next season.  He will probably take graduate school classes next year as well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: realplayer on March 12, 2008, 05:56:09 PM
Gregory Sager,

Since YOU are in the UAA site and seem to have SO much input how do you get your conference knowledge?  Have you been to any other gymnasiums outside of Chicago?  Did you even play basketball in college or do you just post online all day and think your some sort of internet bball guru?  Oh wait...these questions aren't relevant to this room.  University of Rochester Yellowjackets 2008 DIII National Champs!  There ya go!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: realplayer on March 12, 2008, 05:56:38 PM
Oh and thanks Pat for the clarification! :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2008, 06:09:49 PM
Sure.

Just FYI, the "did you ever play" line doesn't play very well here. If only players were allowed to be fans of college basketball your gym would be pretty darn empty on Friday nights.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pradam on March 12, 2008, 08:18:09 PM
Quote from: hoops on March 12, 2008, 04:27:05 PM
anyone know if Deluca from Brandeis will get an extra year of eligibilty since he missed this whole year bascially?

This answers your question.

DeLuca (http://media.www.thejusticeonline.com/media/storage/paper573/news/2008/02/12/Sports/Mbball.Deluca.Says.Hell.Return.Next.Season-3203238.shtml)



Modified for formatting -- Thanks for the link.  Ralph Turner
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on March 12, 2008, 09:28:30 PM
Correct, like many have said Steve desires to return to Brandeis to continue his studies and his basketball. While he should qualify for a medical hardship waiver given the circumstances, he has not yet received this from the NCAA.

That being said if he gets the waiver (which he should sine he meets all criteria) then he will be back in the Judges uniform next season.

The Judges will be losing alot, but the fact that Steve will remain is huge. Ignoring whoever Coach Meehan is bringing in for his class of 2012, you have a line up that will feature Andre Roberson as a 1, Kevin Olsen as a 2 or 3, and then Terrell Hollins and Steve Deluca as 4/5, it is the 3rd starter that i am unsure about. T and Steve both are more natural 4,s so I have them pushing one to the post, and perhaps using Yemga as a swing forward, which is how he was utilized in high school. Perhaps you throw in Rich Magee to the post, and figure something else out, I am not sure though, still alot of options, even when you lose the all time school leader in assists, one of only 5 individuals to score over 100 career 3's, a former UAA rookie of the year, and more.

I however do not want to begin talking about next season yet, because hopefully there is still much more to this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on March 12, 2008, 09:41:07 PM
Wash U has gotten some nice publicity in the last week on KFNS, the radio spots channel in St Louis.  Kevin Slaton, the afternoon drivetime host of a show where he normally berates most of St Louis, teams and listeners alike, was totally positive about Wash U, Troy Ruths and D3.  He interviewed Wash U Coach Mark Edwards last week and then this week again, Troy Ruths today (just a very positive outstanding conversation) and SLIAC Director of officials Ron Zeccher.   Great to hear, and I heard several positive calls on the interviews from Several listeners - lets hope a few of them get over to Wash U  this weekend and become D3hoops fans!!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hoops on March 12, 2008, 10:03:06 PM
Heres a link that I found about 3 recruits that Brandeis will be getting. I dont know much about the players besides what it says here.

http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/281/Brandeis-Putting-Together-AllStar-Recruiting-Class.php
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on March 12, 2008, 11:02:48 PM
The article mentions the judges having four commitments, but then only lists three of them, I wonder who the other is. While the combo forward may be the head of the class, he is also going to step into roughly the same position that will be filled by deluca and hollins. The Tilton guy might get a bit more playing time as a 2, moving olsen to the three spot where joe coppens has resided much of this season. As for the PG, unless he has big game, he may sit behind andre roberson for a few years, but nothing like another 1-2 punch of solid PGs to keep the team going.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 13, 2008, 02:27:22 AM
Quote from: realplayer on March 12, 2008, 05:56:09 PM
Gregory Sager,

Since YOU are in the UAA site and seem to have SO much input how do you get your conference knowledge?

Magic 8-Ball. How else?

Quote from: realplayer on March 12, 2008, 05:56:09 PMHave you been to any other gymnasiums outside of Chicago?

Let's see ... [takes off shoes and socks, starts counting on fingers and toes, winds up counting nose as well] I count twenty-one of 'em. Of course, I didn't visit them all in one year; this season marks my thirtieth anniversary of watching Division III basketball in multiple gyms over the course of a season.

Quote from: realplayer on March 12, 2008, 05:56:09 PMDid you even play basketball in college or do you just post online all day and think your some sort of internet bball guru?

What Pat said. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on March 13, 2008, 06:11:50 AM
Quote from: ILive4This on March 12, 2008, 11:02:48 PM
The article mentions the judges having four commitments, but then only lists three of them, I wonder who the other is. While the combo forward may be the head of the class, he is also going to step into roughly the same position that will be filled by deluca and hollins. The Tilton guy might get a bit more playing time as a 2, moving olsen to the three spot where joe coppens has resided much of this season. As for the PG, unless he has big game, he may sit behind andre roberson for a few years, but nothing like another 1-2 punch of solid PGs to keep the team going.

Likely someone who doesn't subscribe to the particular "scouting service" that issued that "article".
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hoops on March 13, 2008, 07:45:18 AM
I dont think you subscribe I think the website goes out to coaches and tries to get the best players out there accounted for. It could be just that the guy is not from the NE region which is why he isnt mentioned.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on March 13, 2008, 08:25:02 AM
Quote from: hoops on March 13, 2008, 07:45:18 AM
I dont think you subscribe I think the website goes out to coaches and tries to get the best players out there accounted for. It could be just that the guy is not from the NE region which is why he isnt mentioned.

Anything is possible.  As the director of a tiny AAU program, I get requests from these types of scouting services on a fairly regular basis.  Just saying that the information "may" be tainted and should be taken with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on March 13, 2008, 10:40:04 AM
Sounds like someone is a little scared for next year....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pradam on March 13, 2008, 08:09:24 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on March 12, 2008, 09:28:30 PM
Correct, like many have said Steve desires to return to Brandeis to continue his studies and his basketball. While he should qualify for a medical hardship waiver given the circumstances, he has not yet received this from the NCAA.

That being said if he gets the waiver (which he should sine he meets all criteria) then he will be back in the Judges uniform next season.

You're correct in that, as far as I know, he hasn't actually received the waiver yet.  That said, every time I speak with him, he makes it seem like a 100% certainty that he'll be back.

quote author=ILive4This link=topic=639.msg890017#msg890017 date=1205371710]
It is the 3rd starter that i am unsure about.
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Kenny Small, baby!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2008, 09:08:48 PM
Back up. Yay.  ???
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on March 13, 2008, 09:24:01 PM
Like I said Kenny is a def possibility in my eyes as the two, moving kevin to the 3, however he has had very limited minutes this season, so it will be interesting to see how that changes when he is able to practice/play with the team as normal for the whole summer/fall. Otherwise an improved and more confident christian yemga playing the position he strived at in HS should be quite affective.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 14, 2008, 02:28:38 AM
Pat, as I excited I am that you're coming to the WU, I'm disappointed that you won't get to experience the truly awesome atmosphere we've seen this year at home games, particularly Friday night contests. Our student body is on break and though some will trickle in if we get to Saturday, it simply won't be the same. That said, hopefully you won't think less of our program and its support, as it really has improved ten fold over the last couple of years.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: SLP-O-8 on March 14, 2008, 02:43:02 AM
Im extremely excited to head to St Louis tomorrow.  We are taking a couple vans for students down the game and there are many more that will be heading down.  St Louis is a good 8.5 hour drive down there for us and we start break our spring break Friday, well today as well.  If the game wasn't during spring break there would be a lot larger crowd for BV there but it will still be the big fans and able goers there.  Hopefully, it will be a good hard fought battle.  Should be fun and hopefully a good night out on the town afterwards.  Good luck to all 4 teams in St Louis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on March 14, 2008, 10:56:51 AM
I wonder if any of the Wash U faithful will have returned from their spring break yet, since I believe it was this past week. While it may be a bit of an advantage to not have them there for opposing teams, for the fan (especially a neutral one) I would feel almost cheated without them there.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 14, 2008, 11:20:24 AM
Quote from: ILive4This on March 14, 2008, 10:56:51 AM
I wonder if any of the Wash U faithful will have returned from their spring break yet, since I believe it was this past week. While it may be a bit of an advantage to not have them there for opposing teams, for the fan (especially a neutral one) I would feel almost cheated without them there.

You must not have read the post below, before you made your post.

Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 14, 2008, 02:28:38 AM
Pat, as I excited I am that you're coming to the WU, I'm disappointed that you won't get to experience the truly awesome atmosphere we've seen this year at home games, particularly Friday night contests. Our student body is on break and though some will trickle in if we get to Saturday, it simply won't be the same. That said, hopefully you won't think less of our program and its support, as it really has improved ten fold over the last couple of years.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 14, 2008, 12:12:07 PM
A bit last minute... but I will be at Ursinus to call the games there Friday night, including the Rochester game. Drop by and say hello... and I hope for those of you at home I can even stand up to the quality of J.C. DeLass.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 14, 2008, 02:50:51 PM
I am also wondering about the crowd tonight....

I went to Occidental for my undergrad, Wash U for grad...and grew up in Maryland having gone to summer camp at St. Mary's, so this should be an interesting night for me...

What's the info on tickets?  And if they will be hard to get...?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on March 14, 2008, 02:53:49 PM
I would seriously doubt that there will be any trouble walking up for tickets around game time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 14, 2008, 04:26:24 PM
Quote from: fcnews on March 14, 2008, 02:53:49 PM
I would seriously doubt that there will be any trouble walking up for tickets around game time.

As a Wash U alum, I would be stunned if this were not the case
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 14, 2008, 04:54:15 PM
Jags, you are correct, but if students were on campus and the teams weren't travelling from such great distances, I'll bet you this place would damn near sell out. It's a different thing these days on campus than I suspect it used to be. The last Friday night home game against Brandeis brought in 2,000+ and that was reported attendence; you'd have been hard pressed to find 1,000 empty seats. And it wasn't like Deis brought more than 15 fans. Granted, there was an alumni event which brought in a lot more non-students than usual, but the Carnegie game--with no such special events scheduled and considerably less significance in the scheme of league title implications--had 1,400--easily 75 percent of whom were students. Community support has been better of late, but I'm quite worried about home court advantage tonight--I'm not sure we'll have a big one. I'd be surprised if the Field House got more than 1,000, but they've been doing a lot of promo stuff around the area, SLU's season is over, and the Cards don't start for another couple weeks. Assumign Buena Vista brings a decent crowd, it could be a quality atmosphere. Also, if I had to wage a guess, I'd say somewhere around 50 percent of the student body would be back in time for tomorrow night's game. Alas, if Wash.U. survives tonight and the school sends out another campus-wide e-mail promoting the game (they did this for this weekend's regional...the only other time they've done this was the final four last year), you could mobilize some of the student body. That's still a relative longshot, however.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 14, 2008, 04:56:03 PM
Will Allen be in Plattburgh tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: theBroadcaster on March 14, 2008, 05:36:18 PM
WBRS is in Plattsburgh tonight!  We made the five hour trip (ferry ride included) and are ready to go! You can listen live online at www.wbrs.org, or on the radio at 100.1FM in Waltham.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: walzy31 on March 14, 2008, 07:07:41 PM
Quote from: walzy31 on March 11, 2008, 10:31:30 AM
Amherst -8.5 Vs. Richard Stockton at Plattsburgh
Brandeis -13 @ Plattsburgh

Amherst 85
Rcihard Stockton 77
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 14, 2008, 07:22:30 PM
You and me Walzy, you and me.

Wash.U. -7
Millsaps -10.5
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: eazye1334 on March 14, 2008, 07:30:34 PM
UR picked a tough time to have their worst game of the season. 10 minutes without a field goal in the second half will do that to you.

CGA - 57
UR - 48

Sad day for Uche, Jon, Dan, Jeff, and Rob. Thanks guys, I had a great time watching you through the years.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: eazye1334 on March 14, 2008, 10:00:50 PM
Brandeis plays a great game and beats Plattsburgh 72-63, setting up what should be a great rematch with Amherst tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on March 14, 2008, 10:24:53 PM
Too bad the game couldn't be played at a neutral site in Mass. ....

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 14, 2008, 10:36:50 PM
Wash U trailed (by as much as 13) the first 29 minutes; took first lead (56-55) with 10+ to go.

Now up 5 with 8:48 to go, 61-56.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 14, 2008, 10:55:58 PM
53 seconds, Wash U by 1 - what a finish!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 14, 2008, 10:59:55 PM
BV down one, has the ball, and commits an offensive foul with 16.8 seconds left!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 14, 2008, 11:03:52 PM
BV buries a 3 with 0.8 seconds left!  Gonna be OT.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: eazye1334 on March 14, 2008, 11:06:57 PM
Wow, this is some game. I thought for sure they were done after the offensive foul.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on March 14, 2008, 11:21:00 PM
Great game tonight at Memorial Hall in Plattsburgh. Unfortunately Plattsburgh St ended up on the short end of a 74-63 ballgame. The Cards and the Judges played a back and forth 1st half with neither team gaining much of an advantage and with 3 1/2 mins to go the score was tied at 28. Brandeis closed with an 11-2 run to grab a 39-30 lead at the break. Plattsburgh was hampered by foul problems as Anthony Williams was called for his 3rd foul with about 5 mins. left in the half and was taken out of the game. The 2nd half was more of the same with Brandeis maintaining their lead but the Cardinals slowly chipped away and finally pulled to within 2 around the 7 min. mark. Plattsburgh finally caught the Judges at 56 apiece with 4:50 to go, but Brandeis came down and hit a 3 to re-capture the lead and were never headed. Another 3 by Joe Coppens extended their lead to 6 and they stretched it to 66-58 with 1:52 remaining. Plattsburgh cut it to 5 on a 3 pointer by Williams but would get no closer as the Judges hit their foul shots to close the game out. Brandeis was led by Andre Roberson, who came off the bench to score 20 pts. Joe Coppens knocked down 4 treys to finish with 16 pts, and Terrell Hollins chipped in with 14.
Plattsburgh State All American Williams led all scorers with 28 pts, Antwane Miller had 12 pts. and Travis Gorham added 11 to pace the Cardinals. 
Congratulations to Brandeis for their success tonight and good luck against Amherst tomorrow night. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on March 14, 2008, 11:23:31 PM
Washington U 85-77 over B V
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 14, 2008, 11:30:08 PM
Wow... no comments about the Rochester game, huh.

Coast Guard got it done in the second half, the Yellow Jackets did not play well, especially inside, in the second half. It wasn't about FT shooting, it was about every other aspect of the game!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 14, 2008, 11:40:39 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 14, 2008, 11:30:08 PM
Wow... no comments about the Rochester game, huh.

Coast Guard got it done in the second half, the Yellow Jackets did not play well, especially inside, in the second half. It wasn't about FT shooting, it was about every other aspect of the game!

Sorry, Dave, you must have announced to an audience of zero! ;D  (Going up against Pat and Q must be similar to going up against the Super Bowl. :P)

More seriously, the only competition for Coast Guard as 'story of the tourney' would have to be Kent Raymond and the 'last C picked (and shocked even their coach)' Wheaton Thunder.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 14, 2008, 11:46:23 PM
Well, I know more probably listened to the second game, but I do know there were people listening to the first game - especially when others were given "bonus" coverage! :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: eazye1334 on March 15, 2008, 12:16:27 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 14, 2008, 11:30:08 PM
Wow... no comments about the Rochester game, huh.

Coast Guard got it done in the second half, the Yellow Jackets did not play well, especially inside, in the second half. It wasn't about FT shooting, it was about every other aspect of the game!
What, I don't count?  ???
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 15, 2008, 01:15:09 AM
Very exciting game at Wash U tonight. Buena Vista is a very good team. Tough man defense, well disciplined yet fast paced offense, poised, confident, well coached. Wash U allowing them only one point in the final 4:30 of the first half could have been the difference in the game. They defended Ruths very well, but he still got 18 points in regulation, none in the OT. Some timely steals and BV having to foul late in the OT sealed the W for the Bears. I've seen a lot of games this season, but maybe only one or two as good as this one. And BV has a lot coming back next year. Wouldn't be surprised to see them advancing in the tournament again. Yet Wash U showed why they are tough to beat. They just keep working and working and get it done.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 15, 2008, 01:16:14 AM
Just before game time, I filed these predictions...
Wash.U. -7
Millsaps -10.5

Wash.U. wn by 8. Millsaps won by 9. Just saying...

Wash.U. vs. Millsaps in regional final: Wash.U. -2.5
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 15, 2008, 01:23:23 AM
As for the game itself...

BV was unconscious from three for most of the first half and the first part of the second. They had a number of chances to blow it open, particularly when Wash.U. had to go to its bench. Ultimately, though, they committed too many turnovers and had too inferior of a post game to win it. Tyler Nading again stepped up and hit big shots when he needed to and no one on BV had the athleticism to guard him from beyond 15 feet. Aaron Thompson was also an absolute beast tonight, showing confidence under pressure that will continue to be needed down the stretch. It's scary to think how good he's going to be in two years. Troy struggled a bit early, but he got the BV bigs in foul trouble and that helped late. 19 points on an off night is pretty impressive.

This was an amazing game with a surprisingly electric atmosphere (aided by the large group of BV fans in attendence who, though fewer in number, were EXTREMELY loud and passionate). I was pleased with the number of Wash.U. fans there considering it was spring break. Even a number of students who for whatever had arrived back early were on hand to at least somewhat negate the throng of BV students.

Looking forward to tomorrow...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 15, 2008, 09:57:40 AM
Great observations, Marty. However, I disagree with you about the outcome of tonight's game. I think Wash U will win easily. I won't give it a point spread, but I see it as one of those games where Wash U has a siginficant double digit lead near the end of the game and uses the bench to keep it from being a blow out.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on March 15, 2008, 12:39:15 PM
Quote from: magicman on March 14, 2008, 11:21:00 PM
Great game tonight at Memorial Hall in Plattsburgh. Unfortunately Plattsburgh St ended up on the short end of a 74-63 ballgame. The Cards and the Judges played a back and forth 1st half with neither team gaining much of an advantage and with 3 1/2 mins to go the score was tied at 28. Brandeis closed with an 11-2 run to grab a 39-30 lead at the break. Plattsburgh was hampered by foul problems as Anthony Williams was called for his 3rd foul with about 5 mins. left in the half and was taken out of the game. The 2nd half was more of the same with Brandeis maintaining their lead but the Cardinals slowly chipped away and finally pulled to within 2 around the 7 min. mark. Plattsburgh finally caught the Judges at 56 apiece with 4:50 to go, but Brandeis came down and hit a 3 to re-capture the lead and were never headed. Another 3 by Joe Coppens extended their lead to 6 and they stretched it to 66-58 with 1:52 remaining. Plattsburgh cut it to 5 on a 3 pointer by Williams but would get no closer as the Judges hit their foul shots to close the game out. Brandeis was led by Andre Roberson, who came off the bench to score 20 pts. Joe Coppens knocked down 4 treys to finish with 16 pts, and Terrell Hollins chipped in with 14.
Plattsburgh State All American Williams led all scorers with 28 pts, Antwane Miller had 12 pts. and Travis Gorham added 11 to pace the Cardinals. 
Congratulations to Brandeis for their success tonight and good luck against Amherst tomorrow night. 

While I agree PSU was hampered by Williams early foul trouble, but at one point in the second half, the foul differential was 6-0, the first two miutes had 0 points and three brandeis fouls called. Also of note, 18 of roberson's 20 points came in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 15, 2008, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 15, 2008, 01:16:14 AM
Just before game time, I filed these predictions...
Wash.U. -7
Millsaps -10.5

Wash.U. wn by 8. Millsaps won by 9. Just saying...

In vegas, you came out even........just saying ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pradam on March 15, 2008, 12:58:12 PM
Observations from press row:

The difference in the game was when Meehan went to a 1-2-2 zone late in the second half in order to stop Williams' penetration.  Plattsburgh had been running the high p/r on practically every play before that, and Williams was scoring at will inside.  When Meehan made the switch, it confused Plattsburgh, and it forced Williams to give the ball up to other guys who hadn't been in rhythm, since Williams was dominating the ball so much.

The other key was Plattsburgh's odd insistence of ducking under every Brandeis screen and roll, allowing guys like Coppens and Roberson free looks from three.  You don't beat Brandeis by letting them shoot from three; you beat them by trapping those plays.  That's how Olson hit his big three; his defender went under the screen, and he had a free look at the rim.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: walzy31 on March 15, 2008, 01:45:31 PM
Quote from: sac on March 15, 2008, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 15, 2008, 01:16:14 AM
Just before game time, I filed these predictions...
Wash.U. -7
Millsaps -10.5

Wash.U. wn by 8. Millsaps won by 9. Just saying...

In vegas, you came out even........just saying ;)
Not if you took Wash U and St Mary's...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 15, 2008, 03:15:33 PM
Expect a bigger student turn-out tonight from the Wash.U. faithful, as a ton of kids are getting back from spring break today.

Also, the line has moved quite a bit and Wash.U. is now -4.5.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mrmike88 on March 15, 2008, 03:25:27 PM
Why the movement, Marty?  Any changes leading up to the game?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: theBroadcaster on March 15, 2008, 04:26:20 PM
WBRS is here in Plattsburgh to bring you tonight's Elite Eight rematch between Brandeis and Amherst at 7PM.  You can listen live online at www.wbrs.org, with pregame coverage starting around 6:45.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 15, 2008, 04:57:46 PM
The line change is simply from people saying Wash.U. will win by more. Alas, you gotta adjust the spread so you don't get taken for too much cash...My prediction would still be a 1-3 point game, however.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 15, 2008, 04:58:53 PM
Also, Millsaps' 1-3-1 will limit Tyler Nading's midrange game, but if O'Boyle and Thompson can hit from downtown, Wash.U. could cruise (relatively speaking). Over/Under=155
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: walzy31 on March 15, 2008, 07:02:02 PM
Amherst -5.0 Vs. Brandeis @ Plattsburgh
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: eazye1334 on March 15, 2008, 08:57:12 PM
Brandeis falls to Amherst 65-55 in the rematch. Amherst will now play Ursinus in Salem, who outlasted by Coast Guard by 6 in OT.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: SLP-O-8 on March 15, 2008, 09:04:12 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 15, 2008, 01:23:23 AM
As for the game itself...

BV was unconscious from three for most of the first half and the first part of the second. They had a number of chances to blow it open, particularly when Wash.U. had to go to its bench. Ultimately, though, they committed too many turnovers and had too inferior of a post game to win it. Tyler Nading again stepped up and hit big shots when he needed to and no one on BV had the athleticism to guard him from beyond 15 feet. Aaron Thompson was also an absolute beast tonight, showing confidence under pressure that will continue to be needed down the stretch. It's scary to think how good he's going to be in two years. Troy struggled a bit early, but he got the BV bigs in foul trouble and that helped late. 19 points on an off night is pretty impressive.

This was an amazing game with a surprisingly electric atmosphere (aided by the large group of BV fans in attendence who, though fewer in number, were EXTREMELY loud and passionate). I was pleased with the number of Wash.U. fans there considering it was spring break. Even a number of students who for whatever had arrived back early were on hand to at least somewhat negate the throng of BV students.

Looking forward to tomorrow...

Last night was a very good game but tough to watch at times for us beaver fans.  We had i think 29 turnovers which lead to 32 points.  Thats the story of the game.  If anybody was unconscious from 3 it was 33 for Wash U.  We couldn't find an answer for that play no matter if the screens were moving or not ;).  Beaver faithful are a very good group of fans.  You saw them on a tame not on the first day of spring break.  Our student section is very filled every guys game and most of them were having a lot of fun before all the games if you know what im mean.  You caught us on a sober night after an 8 hour drive.  I wish we could still be dancing but didnt play our best game and got beat.  Congrats to Wash U and i hope they win it all.  I talked to one of the players after the game and he ask how far it was to get there and said our student section was crazy.  I think he was pretty much right.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: SLP-O-8 on March 15, 2008, 09:15:34 PM
Also i wouldn't say their posts play was inferior to Wash U considering our starters had 16 and 14.  I think Bv played Wash Us post about as good as they possibly could considering the talent there
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 15, 2008, 09:38:51 PM
Wash U is going back to Salem!  They will play Hope College in the National Semifinal.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on March 15, 2008, 10:18:42 PM
Amherst returns to the Final Four with a convincing 65-55 victory over Brandeis, tonight at Plattsburgh's Memorial Hall Gymnasium, avenging an earlier 72-62 loss to the Judges back in December.
Brandeis opened the game outscoring the Lord Jeffs by a 13-6 margin over the 1st 7 mins. of the half. The teams traded basket with the Judges opening up their largest lead of the night at 25-17 with 4 mins. remaining. Amherst closed the gap slightly and the teams went to the break with Brandeis in front 29-24. Fletcher Walters was the main man for Amherst going 6x10 from the field and scoring 13 pts in the half. The Judges were paced by Kevin Olsen's 11 pts on 4x7 shooting. The Lord Jeffs came out firing on all cylinders to start the 2nd period and over the 1st 6 mins outscored Brandeis 14-7 to grab their 1st lead of the night at 38-36. 4 mins. later they had opened up a 12 pt. lead on the strength of another 10-0 run, with 10 mins left in the game. Kevin Hopkin with 2 huge dunks, Brandon Jones with 6 pts. and Walters with 6 pts helped fuel those bursts which essentially put the game away for the Jeffs. They reached their largest lead at 51-38 with 7:00 mins. remaining and the Judges never got closer that 7 pts. the rest of the way.
Walters led Amherst with 22 pts followed by Hopkins with 12, Jones with 11, and Andrew Olsen chipped in with 9.
Brandeis was paced by 17 from Joe Coppens, 13 from Terrell Hollins and 11 from Olsen.
Amherst now moves on to face Ursinus in the Semi-Finals in Salem Va. on March 21st.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 15, 2008, 10:40:33 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 15, 2008, 04:58:53 PM
Also, Millsaps' 1-3-1 will limit Tyler Nading's midrange game, but if O'Boyle and Thompson can hit from downtown, Wash.U. could cruise (relatively speaking). Over/Under=155

I heard from a very reliable source that an extremely knowledgable person told the Millsaps coach that he couldn't play his zone against Wash U because they'd get kill by 3 pointers. So what does Millsaps do, they play some of the best man defense I've seen all year in the first half and go to the locker up 29-18. The went to their 1-3-1 zone for one possession in the first half and Wash U drained a 3. End of zone for Millsaps. Wash U turned the tables in the 2nd half, really ramping up the defense. They started the half on a 17-0 run and Millsaps didn't score for the first 7 minutes, and it took them 15 minutes to score 10 points.

I learned a lesson tonight. I have always avoided making predictions of game outcomes. I went against that last night, predicting an easy Wash U win. While the point differential was in the range I might have expected, it certainly didn't happen in the fashion I imagined. Kudos to Millsaps on a hard fought contest. But like I said last night, Wash U just keeps working and working until they get it done.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on March 15, 2008, 10:57:49 PM
Ditto those comments Y_Jak.
Millsaps defense was the reason for Wash U's 3-18 3 pt. shooting tonight. Wash U played the most intense half of defense I've seen them play all year long, in the second half. Millsaps just could not get anything to fall. Millsaps Montgomery and Rogan are both tremendous athletes. They made Ruths work for most every basket.

In the end it was just Wash U's steady play that pushed them over the top. Well done Bears. Nice crowd to night on the campus of Wash U.

Contrary to popular belief there were a lot of strictly basketball fans in attendance. Nice to see former SLU coach Rich Grawer at the game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 15, 2008, 11:41:27 PM
Wash U - Hope is the second semifinal next Friday at 7pm EST/6pm CST.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 15, 2008, 11:50:13 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on March 15, 2008, 10:40:33 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 15, 2008, 04:58:53 PM
Also, Millsaps' 1-3-1 will limit Tyler Nading's midrange game, but if O'Boyle and Thompson can hit from downtown, Wash.U. could cruise (relatively speaking). Over/Under=155

I heard from a very reliable source that an extremely knowledgable person told the Millsaps coach that he couldn't play his zone against Wash U because they'd get kill by 3 pointers. So what does Millsaps do, they play some of the best man defense I've seen all year in the first half and go to the locker up 29-18. The went to their 1-3-1 zone for one possession in the first half and Wash U drained a 3. End of zone for Millsaps. Wash U turned the tables in the 2nd half, really ramping up the defense. They started the half on a 17-0 run and Millsaps didn't score for the first 7 minutes, and it took them 15 minutes to score 10 points.

I learned a lesson tonight. I have always avoided making predictions of game outcomes. I went against that last night, predicting an easy Wash U win. While the point differential was in the range I might have expected, it certainly didn't happen in the fashion I imagined. Kudos to Millsaps on a hard fought contest. But like I said last night, Wash U just keeps working and working until they get it done.

I agree with your post.  Well played game by both sides, but WashU really shut them down in the second half while getting their own offense going.  Also, just a slight correction, the score was 27-18 at the half, Millsaps scored the first basket of the 2nd half to go up 29-18 and then WashU had the 17-0 run.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 15, 2008, 11:53:35 PM
A nice student section from Millsaps...

Nice to meet PC and Titan Q also!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: theBroadcaster on March 15, 2008, 11:55:57 PM
Obviously tonight's loss hurts, but I just want to congratulate Brandeis for a tremendous season.  What Coach Meehan and these seniors were able to accomplish over the last 4 yrs goes beyond the basketball court.  They took a school that had zero school spirit and turned it into a great college sports atmosphere.  There were probably as many students in Plattsburgh tonight as there were at home games four years ago, and that's a testament to what these six seniors helped accomplish.  They helped to completely change the culture and perception of Brandeis basketball, and hopefully their legacy and this new culture will live on long after we all graduate in may.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 16, 2008, 12:00:56 AM
Special game tonight at the Field House. Wash.U. looked flat-out tired in the first half before really turning it on late. Millsaps was probably the most athletic team I've seen all year, but they were sorely lacking in the way of basketball IQ and general basketball skills. 3-26 from three won't win much no matter how great your defense is. When Wallis went down, I never thought this team had a chance of getting back to Salem, but here we are and I couldn't be happier. This isn't the prettiest team, but they play harder than damn near any team in the nation. They play with ice in their vains and are never flustered. They also play incredibly smart and do a great job of making adjustments. But perhaps the reason I see them having a shot at the title is their foul shooting. Over the course of the weekend, the Bears shot 34-38 from the charity stripe. In close games, you've gotta like the Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on March 16, 2008, 01:50:14 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 16, 2008, 12:00:56 AM
But perhaps the reason I see them having a shot at the title is their foul shooting. Over the course of the weekend, the Bears shot 34-38 from the charity stripe. In close games, you've gotta like the Bears.

I was surprised they got to shoot that many in the second half.  If this non-refereeing that I saw tonight is the norm elsewhere, I can see why people have thought some Bears game had excessive free throws.  It wasn't looking like the refs were going to call any but the most obvious fouls.  I thought the Bears didn't really get going until they realized that the refs weren't going to call those fouls and they started taking it to Millsaps like Millsaps had been taking it to them.  Edrick Montgomery seemed visibly upset when that started happening.

The 11 point gap in free throw points ended up being the margin of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on March 16, 2008, 02:09:54 AM
Great point mark_reichert. I was waiting on someone to breach that subject. The calls in the paint went from where's the whistle, to why the whistle and back. Montgomery looked like he was defintely taken out of his game the seond half. Most all the fouls called against Millsaps in the 2nd half were earned, but I think Wash U. did get away with some contact on the defensive end. Maybe a touch of home cooking. More like a dash.

It turned into an interior scoring game because neither team could connect from the 3's (3-26 and 3-18). Millsaps post play used quickness and finess in the first. Wash U bought the bulk in the second.

It was a fun game to watch. Both squads hustle their buts off. Millsaps might be the quickest team I saw this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2008, 02:45:45 AM
Quote from: OxyFan21 on March 15, 2008, 11:53:35 PM
A nice student section from Millsaps...

Nice to meet PC and Titan Q also!

You too -- thanks for coming up and introducing yourself!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on March 16, 2008, 02:53:29 AM
Pat do you know the attendance figure at tonights Wash U. game. It appeared the bottom was almost full. A pretty good section in the upper.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: walzy31 on March 16, 2008, 03:23:56 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2008, 02:45:45 AM
Quote from: OxyFan21 on March 15, 2008, 11:53:35 PM
A nice student section from Millsaps...

Nice to meet PC and Titan Q also!

You too -- thanks for coming up and introducing yourself!

See you in Salem
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 16, 2008, 04:02:13 AM
Attendence was announced at 1,039, but from what I've heard, Wash.U. students may not have been counted, since their tickets were free (thank you Student Union). A lot of Wash.U. kids had come back from break and it certainly seemed like more than 1000+ were in the building. Interestingly, last year when Wash.U. played Fontbonne in the first round, attendence was announced at 1500+ and I can tell you I have NEVER seen the field house that full. The Deis game this year had an announced crowd of over 2,000 and it was considerably smaller than the Fontbonne crowd. Fcnews, you know just as well as I do that the Field House was well more than half full (capacity is 3,000) for that playoff game. Considering that there may have been upwards of 800-1000 wash.u. kids there, it'd make sense that the announced 1,500 was really more like 2,500 and my only guess for why there might have been a discrepancy with respect to paying and non-paying customers is the non counting of WU students. Strangely enough, I was going to estimate the attendence tonight at around 1,500 and my guess is that there were about 300-400 students which would make sense considering my being off my around 500.

In general, though, it's a tough job to count everyone who walks through the door. A crew of 20 people might roll in and the kid staffing the event might click his counter 3 times. The NCAA requires the information, though, so it's the closest method for being precise, I suppose.

Who's going to Salem?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on March 16, 2008, 08:04:42 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 16, 2008, 12:00:56 AM
But perhaps the reason I see them having a shot at the title is their foul shooting. Over the course of the weekend, the Bears shot 34-38 from the charity stripe. In close games, you've gotta like the Bears.
In last year's run they were 46 of 54 in the sectionals and 42 of 49 at the final four. It looked like that was deserting them this year in the regional, but they came through this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on March 16, 2008, 10:30:01 AM
Marty - There is no way there wasn't at least 1500 + there last night. The sign at the ticket windows said, " Wash U. under graduate students free - student goverment association." I know these are paid for I just don't know when there counted in. Wash U. has hosted a lot of these type of events. The counting was done in the box office.

I was told in Jackson that the NCAA required the double row ticket rolls. My guess is the HS students working the gate weren't counting. Attendence was based on the ticket count in the box office. Plus the pass gate.

It was a great crowd for a one game night, with one of the teams 500 miles from home.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on March 16, 2008, 10:48:02 AM
Marty - You mentioned last years first round game. The number of tickets paid for by the FU SAA was 432. I was told last year that the bottom seated 1800 and the top 1200.

The bottom ring was as full as you could squeeze in. The two student sections were standing room only. And, I do mean standing. I stood at mid court the entire game (between the Wash U. and FU students) as FU game managemet assistant. The upper level was full except for a small section at the end of the press side. It may not of been cheek to cheek, like the bottom, but it was a much larger crowd then the Brandies game.

I told a Wash U. Alum (from Chicago) last nite, with a break here or there it could of easily had been a Wash U. vs. Fontbonne final game last night. And, if that was to have happened we would of seen how many the field house could actually hold.

But it wasn't. Maybe next year. I hope to meet you at next years regular season game at Wash U.

Good luck to the Bears in Salem. You'll represent the STL well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on March 16, 2008, 11:13:15 AM
Quote from: fcnews on March 16, 2008, 10:30:01 AM
Marty - There is no way there wasn't at least 1500 + there last night. The sign at the ticket windows said, " Wash U. under graduate students free - student goverment association." I know these are paid for I just don't know when there counted in. Wash U. has hosted a lot of these type of events. The counting was done in the box office.

I was told in Jackson that the NCAA required the double row ticket rolls. My guess is the HS students working the gate weren't counting. Attendence was based on the ticket count in the box office. Plus the pass gate.

It was a great crowd for a one game night, with one of the teams 500 miles from home.

The biggest crowd I have ever seen at Wash U was in the 2003 tournament, when the Bears hosted Illinois Wesleyan.  That crowd, which was at least 65% IWU fans (Wash U on spring break), was listed at 2190...

http://www.iwu.edu/~iwunews/sports/mbb2003/Miwu27.htm

If that crowd was 2190, then I'd guess there were 1200 or so there last night.   Last night's crowd wasn't even the ballpark with that one from '03, when over 1000 drove down from Bloomington.

Remember, NCAA tournament games typically feature the most accurate attendance figures of the year because the host school has to sell tickets and report revenue to the NCAA.  It's often funny to see a school that lists, say, 2000 for some of their games all the sudden have 1500 for a packed house tournament game.

I'm guessing that figure Wash U posted (1039) is pretty accurate...maybe short about 200.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on March 16, 2008, 12:07:33 PM
I think Wash U has a great chance to win the national championship, but the Bears do have a big problem at the point, and that is a huge area to have a question mark at.  Ross Kelley has 8 assists and 17 turnovers in the last 3 games (@ Augie, vs BV, vs Millsaps).  He's just not quite ready to play the point against teams that get after it defensively on the perimeter, like Augustana and Millsaps.....and Hope.  Aaron Thompson, who is a terrific 2-guard, really isn't the answer either at the 1.  He struggled last night in his minutes at the point and turned it over 6 times in the game.

Troy Ruths should be the best low post player in Salem, 6-7 wing Tyler Nading will continue to be one of the toughest matchups in Division III, and Aaron Thompson is a great shooter, but I do have concerns about the PG situation.  The Bears don't need Kelley to score any points or do anything flashy, but he can't be a negative.  He has to take care of the ball and get his team into its offense consistently.

I think the Hope/Wash U semifinal game is a pick 'em.  I've seen a lot of games this year, and a lot great teams, and I think that with a healthy Sean Wallis, Wash U would be head and shoulders better than any other team in Division III.  Without him, they're probably dead even with the rest of the Salem field.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: HopeConvert on March 16, 2008, 12:17:58 PM
Q: could very well be. I'm just not familiar enough with all the teams to judge. I will say this - this year's Hope team is better than last year's, and they barely lost to WashU with a healthy Wallis in the elite 8. I know it is hard to compare across years, but it is essentially the same Bears club. In my opinion, this year's iteration of the Dutchmen is not just marginally better, I think they are significantly better, even without Steve Cramer. The difference results from a number of intangibles, including the way a number of the players have progressed, but mostly from the presence of Ryan Klein, who is as good a defensive player as I have seen (ask Kent Raymond). Klein has the length and athleticism to hang with Nading, and I'd be surprised if Nading has had to deal this year with anyone like Ryan. I suspect we'll see VanderHeide and Osburn spend time on Ruths. I don't know who to favor in this year's final four - Amherst looks awfully strong to me - but I will say I like Hope's odds against WashU better this year than I did last year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on March 16, 2008, 12:32:26 PM
Quote from: HopeConvert on March 16, 2008, 12:17:58 PM
Q: could very well be. I'm just not familiar enough with all the teams to judge. I will say this - this year's Hope team is better than last year's, and they barely lost to WashU with a healthy Wallis in the elite 8. I know it is hard to compare across years, but it is essentially the same Bears club. In my opinion, this year's iteration of the Dutchmen is not just marginally better, I think they are significantly better, even without Steve Cramer. The difference results from a number of intangibles, including the way a number of the players have progressed, but mostly from the presence of Ryan Klein, who is as good a defensive player as I have seen (ask Kent Raymond). Klein has the length and athleticism to hang with Nading, and I'd be surprised if Nading has had to deal this year with anyone like Ryan. I suspect we'll see VanderHeide and Osburn spend time on Ruths. I don't know who to favor in this year's final four - Amherst looks awfully strong to me - but I will say I like Hope's odds against WashU better this year than I did last year.

I look at it this way, Hope.  Without Wallis, Wash U finished just one game out of first in the power-packed UAA this season.  In the tournament, they knocked off a very good Wooser team on a neutral court, won at CCIW champion Augustana (a very good team that rarely loses at home), beat a Buena Vista squad that was on par with all of the top teams I've seen this year, and knocked off Millsaps - the most athletic team I have seen in '07-08.  I am 100% sure that Wash U would be significantly better with their All-American point-guard.  That improvement would seem, to me, to put the Bears a notch above the pack.  But they don't have Wallis, so the point is moot anyway.

The Hope/Wash U game should be a classic.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: HopeConvert on March 16, 2008, 12:47:00 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on March 16, 2008, 12:32:26 PM
Quote from: HopeConvert on March 16, 2008, 12:17:58 PM
Q: could very well be. I'm just not familiar enough with all the teams to judge. I will say this - this year's Hope team is better than last year's, and they barely lost to WashU with a healthy Wallis in the elite 8. I know it is hard to compare across years, but it is essentially the same Bears club. In my opinion, this year's iteration of the Dutchmen is not just marginally better, I think they are significantly better, even without Steve Cramer. The difference results from a number of intangibles, including the way a number of the players have progressed, but mostly from the presence of Ryan Klein, who is as good a defensive player as I have seen (ask Kent Raymond). Klein has the length and athleticism to hang with Nading, and I'd be surprised if Nading has had to deal this year with anyone like Ryan. I suspect we'll see VanderHeide and Osburn spend time on Ruths. I don't know who to favor in this year's final four - Amherst looks awfully strong to me - but I will say I like Hope's odds against WashU better this year than I did last year.

I look at it this way, Hope.  Without Wallis, Wash U finished just one game out of first in the power-packed UAA this season.  In the tournament, they knocked off a very good Wooser team on a neutral court, won at CCIW champion Augustana (a very good team that rarely loses at home), beat a Buena Vista squad that was on par with all of the top teams I've seen this year, and knocked off Millsaps - the most athletic team I have seen in '07-08.  I am 100% sure that Wash U would be significantly better with their All-American point-guard.  That improvement would seem, to me, to put the Bears a notch above the pack.  But they don't have Wallis, so the point is moot anyway.

The Hope/Wash U game should be a classic.

On the other hand (I can't believe I'm bringing this up again), the Bears did lose, with Wallis in the lineup, to a Calvin team that was handled pretty well by the Dutchmen this year. That said, I agree that WashU would be better with Wallis in the lineup, and would be the prohibitive favorite going to Salem. I also agree that the Hope/WashU game should be a great, close game. I don't know if Hope is better than WashU, but they did just beat a CCIW team that also beat Augie, by 13, and this with one starter fighting through the flu, and another with an extremely sore knee.

I wonder if part of the issue isn't this: while I agree with what you and Greg have said about the power of a conference being contingent on the strength of the teams top to bottom, I wonder if the MIAA champs might not be given full credit because of the weakness of the bottom half of the league. I know that sounds silly to say, given that Hope is ranked #1, but unless I've missed it, I haven't read anyone on CCIW or UAA boards indicate that they think Hope is a team to be feared.

Just spitballing. I look forward to hearing what you think about that.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on March 16, 2008, 01:02:34 PM
Quote from: HopeConvert on March 16, 2008, 12:47:00 PMI know that sounds silly to say, given that Hope is ranked #1, but unless I've missed it, I haven't read anyone on CCIW or UAA boards indicate that they think Hope is a team to be feared.

Yes, that does sound a bit silly to be honest.  Absolutely no one on these boards (that I recall) has disrespected Hope in any fashion.  I think you're reaching here. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: HopeConvert on March 16, 2008, 01:40:41 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on March 16, 2008, 01:02:34 PM
Quote from: HopeConvert on March 16, 2008, 12:47:00 PMI know that sounds silly to say, given that Hope is ranked #1, but unless I've missed it, I haven't read anyone on CCIW or UAA boards indicate that they think Hope is a team to be feared.

Yes, that does sound a bit silly to be honest.  Absolutely no one on these boards (that I recall) has disrespected Hope in any fashion.  I think you're reaching here. 

Fair enough. I don't think Hope has been disrespected. I guess my objection is to the claim that, with Wallis, WashU would be "head and shoulders" above everyone else. I'm not convinced, for the reasons I've outlined above. And that's what makes me think that people aren't seeing this Hope team for what it is. That said, WashU could very well win on Friday and prove me wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: OxyFan21 on March 16, 2008, 04:24:38 PM
Last night was only my 2nd time seeing Wash U this year, so take this as just my uneducated opinion...

As has been noted here by Titan Q, to me, Wash U's only weakness is that #10 doesn't seem quite ready for the intense defense that is likely to be played in Salem.  He just didn't seem to "want" the ball... 

Having read this thread, I know that Wallis has been out, but the point was their glaring weakness last night against that quick Millsaps D, especially when they trapped him.  If they pound it inside like they did in the 2nd half, I don't think many teams will be able to stop them.

Good luck to the Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: quaj on March 16, 2008, 06:43:57 PM
I've got to say from my personal experience being in the Field House for that game against Millsaps and throughout the year for other men's basketball, women's basketball and volleyball games, it's never been louder. When the Millsaps player messed up the wide open dunk, it was crazy. (Thank you Bomb Squad!)

The numbers were greatly affected by the fact that Wash. U. was on Spring Break. Lots of students hadn't come back yet though a good number did return in time for the game.
Another thing is that some of the biggest supporters of Wash. U. sports are fellow athletes who were all away at other events. Might be small in number but a big momentum boost as the athletes seem to be fairly tight. Our women's track and field team took third place at Nationals and senior Morgen Leonard-Fleckman was crowned national champion. Our softball team won their conference title. Our women's swimming and diving team took sixth at nationals.

If the Bears play like they played in the first seven minutes of the second period against Millsaps where they had a 17-0 run, I'd say they've got a good shot at the entire thing. This time we've got a fan bus and I think  a large number of students will be heading up to support Wash. U. in the Final Four.

Go Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 16, 2008, 07:57:15 PM
I've heard 2 fan busses since the demand is high. We won't have as many people as Hope (no one does), but we'll make our presence felt at the Civil Center...and at the local watering holes, I can promise you that.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fpc85 on March 16, 2008, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 16, 2008, 07:57:15 PM
I've heard 2 fan busses since the demand is high. We won't have as many people as Hope (no one does), but we'll make our presence felt at the Civil Center...and at the local watering holes, I can promise you that.
the jeff fan base will be small but supportive! walzy what is the over/under for the number of jeff fans in amherst?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 16, 2008, 09:57:15 PM
Two CMU alumni get snubbed tonight in d1, both coaches for Arizona State.  Head Coach Herb Sendek ('85, who I do not believe played for the Tartans) and Director of Basketball Operations Mike Gibson ('05, who was a four year letterman for the Tartans).  Also, Robert Spence, Technology Coordinator for ASU, is a d3 alumnus (Guilford '04).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on March 16, 2008, 11:29:55 PM
Yeah that was interesting, ASU beats UA twice but UA gets in and ASU does not, but i guess thats what happens when ASU did not fair as well against the rest of the PAC 10. Anyway what is the connections between CMU and ASU, not usual to see that, especially someone two years out of college as a director of bball operations at a bcs school.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: La Verdad on March 17, 2008, 03:20:31 AM
Quote from: fpc85 on March 16, 2008, 08:53:05 PM
the jeff fan base will be small but supportive! walzy what is the over/under for the number of jeff fans in amherst?

I'd bet we get somewhere between 75 and 100...I hope.  There probably won't be more than a handful of students there...stupid spring break.  I'm sure they will be a passionate bunch...I hear we are having a belated St. Patty's day celebration.

Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 16, 2008, 07:57:15 PM
I've heard 2 fan busses since the demand is high. We won't have as many people as Hope (no one does), but we'll make our presence felt at the Civil Center...and at the local watering holes, I can promise you that.

Sounds like the all the other schools are going to be rolling deep.  Should make for a great atmosphere in Salem.  It usually turns into a big D3 bball love fest down there...lots of mutual respect for opposing fans and players (especially at the watering holes).  Looking forward to meeting the opposing fans, especially the Wash U crowd.  I kind of jilted coach kinbom (sp?) a few years back and still feel a little guilty about it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 17, 2008, 04:49:55 AM
La Verdad,
we won't be rolling that deep, but we should have some of Kindbom's linebackers in the house and I'll be spending much of the weekend with my good friend Walzy, so I'm sure we'll meet up. First round's on me.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on March 17, 2008, 11:21:07 AM
Amherst had maybe 100 tops this past weekend only four hours away, and almost no students, I know it was break, and I know this is the final four, but I would be surprised to see that much Amherst support outside of just students. Then again they have it easier than Hope and Wash U. Ursinus should have the easiest time getting there, I hope their students pull through, I would love to see them make their way to the Title Game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 17, 2008, 11:27:28 AM
Last year's Wash U following was certainly respectable especially on Saturday for the consolation game with Wooster.  I know the folks at Wash U are working hard to make sure the Bears have the best contingent possible in Salem.  Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 17, 2008, 01:33:44 PM
Feature on the front page of interest to Final Four participants and fans here.

Faces of a champion (http://www.d3hoops.com/features/index.html)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: walzy31 on March 17, 2008, 06:25:25 PM
Quote from: La Verdad on March 17, 2008, 03:20:31 AM
Quote from: fpc85 on March 16, 2008, 08:53:05 PM
the jeff fan base will be small but supportive! walzy what is the over/under for the number of jeff fans in amherst?

I'd bet we get somewhere between 75 and 100...I hope.  There probably won't be more than a handful of students there...stupid spring break.  I'm sure they will be a passionate bunch...I hear we are having a belated St. Patty's day celebration.

Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 16, 2008, 07:57:15 PM
I've heard 2 fan busses since the demand is high. We won't have as many people as Hope (no one does), but we'll make our presence felt at the Civil Center...and at the local watering holes, I can promise you that.

Sounds like the all the other schools are going to be rolling deep.  Should make for a great atmosphere in Salem.  It usually turns into a big D3 bball love fest down there...lots of mutual respect for opposing fans and players (especially at the watering holes).  Looking forward to meeting the opposing fans, especially the Wash U crowd.  I kind of jilted coach kinbom (sp?) a few years back and still feel a little guilty about it.

I hope VanDerVaart from Wooster makes the trip.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: walzy31 on March 17, 2008, 06:26:41 PM
Quote from: fpc85 on March 16, 2008, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 16, 2008, 07:57:15 PM
I've heard 2 fan busses since the demand is high. We won't have as many people as Hope (no one does), but we'll make our presence felt at the Civil Center...and at the local watering holes, I can promise you that.
the jeff fan base will be small but supportive! walzy what is the over/under for the number of jeff fans in amherst?

Over Under 215
(see NESCAC forum for breakdown)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: old_hooper on March 17, 2008, 07:05:39 PM
Just want to give some props to Brandeis on an great season and the seniors who have brought the program to another level.  It is unfortunate that they had Amherst in their sectional and it makes you think what it might have been had they been in UMD situation.  They are as good as any of the other teams in the final four.  Amherst 2nd half was a tremendous defensive effort and they dominated in the paint.  I don't know if I buy into the Hixon quote about Plattsbugh being the 6th man stuff.  Amherst did not put out any less energy on Friday night because they played Richard Stockton.  From the stats, I think the Judges may have used their bench more then the Jeffs for the weekend.  Congrats to Coach Meehan and the Judges for a steller year!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fpc85 on March 17, 2008, 07:43:51 PM
Quote from: old_hooper on March 17, 2008, 07:05:39 PM
Just want to give some props to Brandeis on an great season and the seniors who have brought the program to another level.  It is unfortunate that they had Amherst in their sectional and it makes you think what it might have been had they been in UMD situation.  They are as good as any of the other teams in the final four.  Amherst 2nd half was a tremendous defensive effort and they dominated in the paint.  I don't know if I buy into the Hixon quote about Plattsbugh being the 6th man stuff.  Amherst did not put out any less energy on Friday night because they played Richard Stockton.  From the stats, I think the Judges may have used their bench more then the Jeffs for the weekend.  Congrats to Coach Meehan and the Judges for a steller year!
What is the early read on the judges for next year....deluca should replace some of the firepower that is graduating....is hill a senior?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: theBroadcaster on March 18, 2008, 01:50:55 AM
Quote from: fpc85 on March 17, 2008, 07:43:51 PM
Quote from: old_hooper on March 17, 2008, 07:05:39 PM
Just want to give some props to Brandeis on an great season and the seniors who have brought the program to another level.  It is unfortunate that they had Amherst in their sectional and it makes you think what it might have been had they been in UMD situation.  They are as good as any of the other teams in the final four.  Amherst 2nd half was a tremendous defensive effort and they dominated in the paint.  I don't know if I buy into the Hixon quote about Plattsbugh being the 6th man stuff.  Amherst did not put out any less energy on Friday night because they played Richard Stockton.  From the stats, I think the Judges may have used their bench more then the Jeffs for the weekend.  Congrats to Coach Meehan and the Judges for a steller year!
What is the early read on the judges for next year....deluca should replace some of the firepower that is graduating....is hill a senior?
Brandeis is graduating 5 seniors in Hill, Coppens, Graves-Fulgham, Rexhepi, and Saucier... but, DeLuca will be back, and that will make up a tremendous amount of the offense lost.  Plus Hollins and Roberson will now be juniors, and if both work hard on their shooting in the offseason they could be much better.  Plus Olson will now be a senior, and Magee basically turned his Brandeis career around with his defensive play late in the year.  On top of that, the Judges seem to be bringing in a stellar recruiting class, which you can read about here: http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/281/Brandeis-Putting-Together-AllStar-Recruiting-Class.php. This kid Kriskus sounds like he's the next DeLuca, and if DeLuca is back healthy himself, which he hopefully should be, Brandeis could be even better next season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 18, 2008, 02:01:58 AM
Quote from: old_hooper on March 17, 2008, 07:05:39 PM
Just want to give some props to Brandeis on an great season and the seniors who have brought the program to another level.  It is unfortunate that they had Amherst in their sectional and it makes you think what it might have been had they been in UMD situation.  They are as good as any of the other teams in the final four.

How do you know? Have you seen Hope, Wash U, and/or Ursinus?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on March 18, 2008, 10:15:28 AM
I stopped by Wash U yesterday afternoon to pick up my tickets for Salem - went on downstairs to wish Coach Edwards good luck, and was pleased to see Sean Wallis out on the floor running sprints up and down the court under a trainer's supervision - with no noticeable limp - Great to see
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fpc85 on March 18, 2008, 11:01:25 AM
Quote from: theBroadcaster on March 18, 2008, 01:50:55 AM
Quote from: fpc85 on March 17, 2008, 07:43:51 PM
Quote from: old_hooper on March 17, 2008, 07:05:39 PM
Just want to give some props to Brandeis on an great season and the seniors who have brought the program to another level.  It is unfortunate that they had Amherst in their sectional and it makes you think what it might have been had they been in UMD situation.  They are as good as any of the other teams in the final four.  Amherst 2nd half was a tremendous defensive effort and they dominated in the paint.  I don't know if I buy into the Hixon quote about Plattsbugh being the 6th man stuff.  Amherst did not put out any less energy on Friday night because they played Richard Stockton.  From the stats, I think the Judges may have used their bench more then the Jeffs for the weekend.  Congrats to Coach Meehan and the Judges for a steller year!
What is the early read on the judges for next year....deluca should replace some of the firepower that is graduating....is hill a senior?
Brandeis is graduating 5 seniors in Hill, Coppens, Graves-Fulgham, Rexhepi, and Saucier... but, DeLuca will be back, and that will make up a tremendous amount of the offense lost.  Plus Hollins and Roberson will now be juniors, and if both work hard on their shooting in the offseason they could be much better.  Plus Olson will now be a senior, and Magee basically turned his Brandeis career around with his defensive play late in the year.  On top of that, the Judges seem to be bringing in a stellar recruiting class, which you can read about here: http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/281/Brandeis-Putting-Together-AllStar-Recruiting-Class.php. This kid Kriskus sounds like he's the next DeLuca, and if DeLuca is back healthy himself, which he hopefully should be, Brandeis could be even better next season.
wow...lot's of size in the incoming class...will they pay right away. if so, that is a mixed blessing...can they survive the growing pains.they and amherst may battle for the tops in the region. the jeffs have loads of talent on the bench just waiting for the opportunity contribute during games. in addition, i am sure hixon is bringing a great class of recruits to replenish the loss of the class of '08.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 18, 2008, 11:25:29 AM
Quote from: fpc85 on March 18, 2008, 11:01:25 AM
Quote from: theBroadcaster on March 18, 2008, 01:50:55 AM
Quote from: fpc85 on March 17, 2008, 07:43:51 PM
Quote from: old_hooper on March 17, 2008, 07:05:39 PM
Just want to give some props to Brandeis on an great season and the seniors who have brought the program to another level.  It is unfortunate that they had Amherst in their sectional and it makes you think what it might have been had they been in UMD situation.  They are as good as any of the other teams in the final four.  Amherst 2nd half was a tremendous defensive effort and they dominated in the paint.  I don't know if I buy into the Hixon quote about Plattsbugh being the 6th man stuff.  Amherst did not put out any less energy on Friday night because they played Richard Stockton.  From the stats, I think the Judges may have used their bench more then the Jeffs for the weekend.  Congrats to Coach Meehan and the Judges for a steller year!
What is the early read on the judges for next year....deluca should replace some of the firepower that is graduating....is hill a senior?
Brandeis is graduating 5 seniors in Hill, Coppens, Graves-Fulgham, Rexhepi, and Saucier... but, DeLuca will be back, and that will make up a tremendous amount of the offense lost.  Plus Hollins and Roberson will now be juniors, and if both work hard on their shooting in the offseason they could be much better.  Plus Olson will now be a senior, and Magee basically turned his Brandeis career around with his defensive play late in the year.  On top of that, the Judges seem to be bringing in a stellar recruiting class, which you can read about here: http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/281/Brandeis-Putting-Together-AllStar-Recruiting-Class.php. This kid Kriskus sounds like he's the next DeLuca, and if DeLuca is back healthy himself, which he hopefully should be, Brandeis could be even better next season.
wow...lot's of size in the incoming class...will they pay right away. if so, that is a mixed blessing...can they survive the growing pains.they and amherst may battle for the tops in the region. the jeffs have loads of talent on the bench just waiting for the opportunity contribute during games. in addition, i am sure hixon is bringing a great class of recruits to replenish the loss of the class of '08.



Here is the full list of recruits that are ranked and the schools they have committed to. I dont see any commitments yet to Amherst.

http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/prospects/

Brandeis sounds like they are bringing in a great class. They have two top 150 recruits, and 3 top 400 recruits in new england (meaning 1 more recruit from 150-400).  After Kriskus, though, the next highest player I saw rated for the 2008 class going to a d3 school was 6'10" Ted Eby, who will be attending MIT (MIT has 2 top 300 new england recruits coming in, committed so far).  MIT also returns pretty much all of their top players.  I know they finished with a bad record, but they were within one possession of beating Amherst on the road last year before all the injuries.  They have a chance of making a dent in the NEWMAC and the northeast.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: walzy31 on March 18, 2008, 03:14:11 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on March 18, 2008, 11:25:29 AM
Here is the full list of recruits that are ranked and the schools they have committed to. I dont see any commitments yet to Amherst.

http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/prospects/

Amherst's current 8-man rotation and the states they hail from:
Olson (California)
Walters (Michigan)
Baskauskas (California)
Jones (New Jersey)
Hopkins (New York)
Goldsmith (New Jersey)
Wheeler (Minnesota)
Meehan (Connecticut)

Your New England Recruiting link only shows players from Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine and Rhode Island.

Amherst 2012 recruits that are coming:
David Waller (Florida)
David Zaitz (New York)
I think there is one more
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 18, 2008, 03:21:08 PM
Quote from: walzy31 on March 18, 2008, 03:14:11 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on March 18, 2008, 11:25:29 AM
Here is the full list of recruits that are ranked and the schools they have committed to. I dont see any commitments yet to Amherst.

http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/prospects/

Amherst's current 8-man rotation and the states they hail from:
Olson (California)
Walters (Michigan)
Baskauskas (California)
Jones (New Jersey)
Hopkins (New York)
Goldsmith (New Jersey)
Wheeler (Minnesota)
Meehan (Connecticut)

Your New England Recruiting link only shows players from Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine and Rhode Island.

Amherst 2012 recruits that are coming:
David Waller (Florida)
David Zaitz (New York)
I think there is one more

I know that it is only from the new england region, I state that in my post.  All I meant was that Amherst doesnt have any recruits that have committed yet that are listed on that site.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 18, 2008, 03:46:58 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on March 18, 2008, 03:21:08 PM
Quote from: walzy31 on March 18, 2008, 03:14:11 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on March 18, 2008, 11:25:29 AM
Here is the full list of recruits that are ranked and the schools they have committed to. I dont see any commitments yet to Amherst.

http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/prospects/

Amherst's current 8-man rotation and the states they hail from:
Olson (California)
Walters (Michigan)
Baskauskas (California)
Jones (New Jersey)
Hopkins (New York)
Goldsmith (New Jersey)
Wheeler (Minnesota)
Meehan (Connecticut)

Your New England Recruiting link only shows players from Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine and Rhode Island.

Amherst 2012 recruits that are coming:
David Waller (Florida)
David Zaitz (New York)
I think there is one more

I know that it is only from the new england region, I state that in my post.  All I meant was that Amherst doesnt have any recruits that have committed yet that are listed on that site.


And we're discussing Amherst's recruits on the UAA Board, why?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 18, 2008, 03:58:59 PM
Originally, we were discussing Brandeis' recruits and then we started discussing new england recruiting in general.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2008, 04:04:30 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on March 18, 2008, 11:25:29 AM
I dont see any commitments yet to Amherst.

Amazing what one stray sentence can turn into. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 18, 2008, 08:55:56 PM
I'm sure I'm a little late on this, but I was going through boxscores for the fantasy teams and I saw that Washington U actually had less at their game on Saturday (1093) than they did for their Sweet 16 game on Friday (1183)...that's interesting.  I looked up their average attendence and it sits a little over 900.  The gym holds 3000, according to this site.  I can't really say, "where was everyone" since they did get over their average, but it's tourney time!!!  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on March 18, 2008, 09:12:15 PM
Millsaps fans didnt make the trip and BV fans did?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 18, 2008, 10:06:02 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 18, 2008, 08:55:56 PM
I'm sure I'm a little late on this, but I was going through boxscores for the fantasy teams and I saw that Washington U actually had less at their game on Saturday (1093) than they did for their Sweet 16 game on Friday (1183)...that's interesting.  I looked up their average attendence and it sits a little over 900.  The gym holds 3000, according to this site.  I can't really say, "where was everyone" since they did get over their average, but it's tourney time!!!  Any thoughts?

Spring Break at Wash U.  The students started to trickle back on Saturday, but still nowhere near as many as they would have ordinarily have.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2008, 10:28:11 PM
Yes, there was a large contingent of BVU fans on Friday that didn't show up on Saturday, for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 18, 2008, 10:30:23 PM
Impressed by the IIAC fan support.  I heard there were a lot of BV fans at St. Thomas and you say there were quite a few at Washington U.  I was in Whitewater and there was also a solid and enthusiastic crowd of Loras supporters. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 19, 2008, 01:30:14 PM
Congrats to the following for making their respective all-region teams:

Joe Coppens (2nd team, Northeast)
Jon Onyiriuka (1st team, East)
Greg Gonzalez (3rd team, Great Lakes)
Troy Ruths (1st team, Midwest)
Nate Hainje (2nd team, Midwest)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on March 19, 2008, 02:31:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2008, 10:28:11 PM
Yes, there was a large contingent of BVU fans on Friday that didn't show up on Saturday, for obvious reasons.


Right the above poster was discussing why there were more people friday than saturday, which is odd especially as wash u fans were coming back from SB for saturday's game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2008, 02:49:11 PM
Yes, and I was explaining why. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 19, 2008, 03:17:14 PM
I still think there were more fans there Saturday than there were Friday despite the attendence figures. Check back a few pages in the UAA thread where this was discussed. Basically I'm thinking they didn't count WU students in the official attendance.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 19, 2008, 04:27:11 PM
That happens a lot, especially if they get in free...sometimes hard to count that.

But, Wash. U. averaged just over 900 and they had, let's say, 1100 there.  That's not a very big bump up in attendence, especially for a trip to the Final Four on the line, let alone Friday's Sweet 16 game.  1100 in a 3000 seater...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2008, 04:28:15 PM
No, but it was more than the same two teams were responsible for the night before at least.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 19, 2008, 09:34:21 PM
Wash.U. crowds are typically 70-75 percent student based. With most of the campus still not back, I was surprised they drew as well as they did (and I think the 1100 figure was more liek 1500).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: quaj on March 20, 2008, 12:40:25 AM
I just want to say that instead of the bus that was originally planned, that number's grown to three due to lots of student interest.

And I definitely agree with Marty. WU students make up a big number of supporters in the Field House.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 21, 2008, 08:50:01 PM
Wash U defeats Hope 89-74!  They play Amherst tomorrow afternoon for the National Championship.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iceBerg on March 21, 2008, 10:18:59 PM
Congrats to a great game by Wash-U.  Ruths was a beast tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 22, 2008, 05:46:37 PM
The Bears are really having their way with Amherst. Wash U's up by 18 with four minutes left. Looks like the UAA is going to have its second-ever national championship.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 22, 2008, 05:57:59 PM
Wash U 90, Amherst 68!

National Champs!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: AndOne on March 22, 2008, 06:39:29 PM
From a regular poster in the CCIW room-----

Wash U loses a player of Wallis' caliber and still goes on to win the national championship---Pretty damn good!

Congrats to the Bears
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on March 22, 2008, 08:06:18 PM
Congratulations to Mark Edwards and the Washington University Bears on an amazing accomplishment.  I think we all knew Wash U had a great team, but the way they played this weekend here in Salem was impressive to say the least.  They absolutely dominated Amherst today, and I left the Salem Civic Center last night not sure Wash U could beat the Lord Jeffs...Amherst was really, really good.

A great coach and a great program earned a much deserved national championship today.  Congratulations to the Wash U faithful -- enjoy your title.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on March 22, 2008, 11:46:34 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 22, 2008, 05:46:37 PM
The Bears are really having their way with Amherst. Wash U's up by 18 with four minutes left. Looks like the UAA is going to have its second-ever national championship.

I take it "men's" is implied. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 23, 2008, 06:59:03 PM
As was "basketball."
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 23, 2008, 09:54:13 PM
and "Division III"  :P
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on March 23, 2008, 11:31:11 PM
Congrats to Ruths, Coppens and Hainje on their All American honors (and player of the year etc. etc. to Ruths). I was just wondering, is the d3 AA the official NCAA AA's for d3 basketball or is there an alternate list published by the NCAA?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 23, 2008, 11:46:05 PM
There is no official NCAA list.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fpc85 on March 24, 2008, 12:27:53 AM
wash u. played like the champions they are last night. the jeffs were beat in the post and on the perimeter...i don't think i remember a team scoring 90 points on them... i think they only missed 6 shots in the 2nd half...not sure what team could have beaten them yesterday. hixon mentioned that wash u. did to the jeffs what amherst had the pleasure of doing to other teams
in addition, they were a great group of guys, a class act...we couldn't have lost to a better group of guys.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 24, 2008, 12:49:19 AM
I'll also pass on my congratulations to the Wash U Bears, they put on a great show this weekend and were without a doubt the best team in Salem. 

Wash U put up 89 and 90 points vs Hope and Amherst, 2 teams I think most would believe were probably among the top 5 or 10 defensive teams in D3 this season.....at least statistically.

89 was the most Hope gave up by 12 in regulation, that by Mt. Vernon Nazarene, a pretty high scoring NAIA team in their own right.  Hope only gave up 70+ points 10 times all season.

Here's an amazing number, 93...............93 is the number of games since Hope last gave up 80 points period, that dates back to the final game of the 2005 season, an 82-61 loss to Calvin.

Washington did something pretty special and rare against Hope Friday night.


Amherst had give up 87 earlier in the year, but the 90 points by WashU was well over Amherst's defensive avg of 67.1
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 24, 2008, 01:11:59 AM
Quote from: mark_reichert on March 22, 2008, 11:46:34 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 22, 2008, 05:46:37 PM
The Bears are really having their way with Amherst. Wash U's up by 18 with four minutes left. Looks like the UAA is going to have its second-ever national championship.

I take it "men's" is implied. ;)
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 23, 2008, 06:59:03 PM
As was "basketball."
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 23, 2008, 09:54:13 PM
and "Division III"  :P

I also implied that the nation referred to in the word "national" is the United States of America.

Any other examples of soul-crushing exactitude that you guys would like to parse from that sentence? ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: quaj on March 24, 2008, 01:40:31 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 24, 2008, 01:11:59 AM
Quote from: mark_reichert on March 22, 2008, 11:46:34 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 22, 2008, 05:46:37 PM
The Bears are really having their way with Amherst. Wash U's up by 18 with four minutes left. Looks like the UAA is going to have its second-ever national championship.

I take it "men's" is implied. ;)
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 23, 2008, 06:59:03 PM
As was "basketball."
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 23, 2008, 09:54:13 PM
and "Division III"  :P

I also implied that the nation referred to in the word "national" is the United States of America.

Any other examples of soul-crushing exactitude that you guys would like to parse from that sentence? ;) :D
Nope but there will finally be a national championship banner for a men's team up in the Field House next to the four women's basketball national championship banners and the nine volleyball national championship banners.:D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 24, 2008, 04:10:20 AM
I'm fully aware of Wash U's accomplishments on the distaff side of athletics, quaj. Nevertheless, this room is under the rubric of men's basketball, which is the reason why I didn't feel it necessary to spell it out in that original post on Saturday afternoon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on March 24, 2008, 11:36:53 AM
I find it interesting, how not just Wash U but seemingly across the UAA, the conference is shifting from a women's power conference, to a men's power. I understand both genders received 4 bids, however just look at the finishes on each side.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 24, 2008, 11:57:15 AM
Coach Edwards of Wash U is on AM 1380 in St. Louis at 11:15am cst and AM 590 in St. Louis at 3:30pm.  Links at http://bearsports.wustl.edu/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on March 24, 2008, 01:43:38 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 24, 2008, 04:10:20 AM
I'm fully aware of Wash U's accomplishments on the distaff side of athletics, quaj. Nevertheless, this room is under the rubric of men's basketball, which is the reason why I didn't feel it necessary to spell it out in that original post on Saturday afternoon.

Sorry about that, but I really did mean it in good humor.  I was thinking of NYU's 1997 championship as well as the Lady Bears.  Thanks for reminding me of the 1990 championship by the Rochester men.

Going to other sports, from a quick look at the NCAA site, the Rochester and NYU men have won Cross Country championships (Brandeis wasn't in the UAA when they won).  The Emory women won four straight championships in tennis and managed back to back championships (presumably over Kenyon) in Swimming and Diving.

I wonder if it what omen it will be if the Kenyon men ever lose. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoop Dreams on March 24, 2008, 04:43:16 PM
From a Chicago fan --

Congratulations to the Washington University Bears on dominating in Salem and earning their first-ever championship.  You did the UAA proud.  What an accomplishment after losing Sean Wallis (an excellent PG) early in the season.

The Bears' national title should add some spice to the UC-Wash U rivalry.  Fortunately, the Maroons won't have to deal with Troy Ruths any longer.  Congratulations to Troy -- somebody get that kid a trophy case for graduation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 24, 2008, 08:13:11 PM
Quote from: Hoop Dreams on March 24, 2008, 04:43:16 PM
From a Chicago fan --

Congratulations to the Washington University Bears on dominating in Salem and earning their first-ever championship.  You did the UAA proud.  What an accomplishment after losing Sean Wallis (an excellent PG) early in the season.

The Bears' national title should add some spice to the UC-Wash U rivalry.  Fortunately, the Maroons won't have to deal with Troy Ruths any longer.  Congratulations to Troy -- somebody get that kid a trophy case for graduation.

Now you know how we felt when Derek Reich graduated!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: AndersDY on March 24, 2008, 09:01:15 PM
Could you guys please stop beating my teams? As the son of a Hope professor and a graduate of Wooster, I've pretty much had my share of Wash U in the past couple years. I did at least make the call a year ago that Washington would take it all this year having seen their returning talent in Salem last year, though like I'm sure plenty of others, I was hedging a bit when Wallis went down. Besides Ruths, that was quite a shooting display in the second half. Based on their second game against Amherst, I take it that Hope didn't see them shooting much hotter than normal though.

I brought my camera but ended up with pictures the Washington folks will enjoy more than the Hope crowd. Also a couple short clips, for those who weren't there:

http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=23jsnep&s=3 (http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=23jsnep&s=3)
http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=fuxiz7&s=3 (http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=fuxiz7&s=3)

Crappy quality from my little camera, but I thought I might as well capture something that would be happy for someone. Congratulations on a great run through the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 25, 2008, 07:36:45 AM
Quote from: mark_reichert on March 24, 2008, 01:43:38 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 24, 2008, 04:10:20 AM
I'm fully aware of Wash U's accomplishments on the distaff side of athletics, quaj. Nevertheless, this room is under the rubric of men's basketball, which is the reason why I didn't feel it necessary to spell it out in that original post on Saturday afternoon.

Sorry about that, but I really did mean it in good humor.  I was thinking of NYU's 1997 championship as well as the Lady Bears.  Thanks for reminding me of the 1990 championship by the Rochester men.

Understood. I saw the smiley in your post, and Pat and Tom were obviously posting tongue-in-cheek as well, which is why I replied in kind.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on March 25, 2008, 10:31:09 PM
Some impressive footage of Ross Kelley and some fellow Class of 2010 Wash U Bears...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdMYzsxtvZk

The agility displayed here by Kelley is what allowed him to guard All-American Andrew Olson so effectively.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 25, 2008, 10:53:31 PM
Awesome video!! A definite MUST SEE.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 25, 2008, 11:36:56 PM
Awesome... disturbing... head-scratching... "what are they doing!"... where was Ruths and Naeding?... can Coach suspend them for something like this?... all things that come to mind on that video :).

Now... I am kidding! Though I wish I had seen this BEFORE I talked to Troy Ruths on Hoopsville tonight... I would have had a few other questions for him!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 26, 2008, 01:02:40 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on March 25, 2008, 10:31:09 PM
Some impressive footage of Ross Kelley and some fellow Class of 2010 Wash U Bears...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdMYzsxtvZk

The agility displayed here by Kelley is what allowed him to guard All-American Andrew Olson so effectively.

YouTube should've sponsored the First Annual D3 Final Four Danceoff, pitting the Wash U quartet against Hope's Marcus Vanderheide.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 26, 2008, 12:39:38 PM
Nice story I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned yet. Includes Troy Ruths (as well as some Stephen Curry kid that is lighting up some other tournament you may be aware of).

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/columnists.nsf/bryanburwell/story/C2B5CD1A286599A78625741700136D04?OpenDocument
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 26, 2008, 01:32:26 PM
"As he sat inside studio B at Channel 2 waiting to go on air, a robotic television camera that's about the size of an undersized sumo wrestler chugged its way in from studio A operated by remote control and almost wiped him out.

It was as close as anyone or anything came all weekend to knocking him out."

Since I work as a news and sports producer in real life in Baltimore (and for a station also known as "Channel 2"), that quote above makes me laugh. I have actually seen those cameras take off on their own before and get many people scrambling! Glad to hear it didn't hurt Ruths! Though, on the court, he would still have the height advantage!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on March 26, 2008, 02:14:26 PM
I mentioned that wall-to-wall coverage has been great:
http://bearsports.wustl.edu/releases/08NCAAHits.html

On another board I mentioned that this does not include three radio interviews of Coach Edwards, and now it does not include the Hoopsville radio coverage.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on March 26, 2008, 02:16:38 PM
I mispoke. The WashU SID is on the ball and continues to post more coverage including one of the radio interviews from Monday as of the time of this post.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 26, 2008, 03:37:03 PM
The Wash U SID needs a link to the specific interview to post it... and since I don't cut down the interviews until at least 24 hours after the interview, he has nothing to link to except the entire show. Knowing Chris as well as I do... I am sure as soon as I get my work done - it will be linked!  :) ;) ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 31, 2008, 04:44:58 PM
Fun fact: Bob Mckillop's son is an assistant coach at Emory. McKillop is, of course, the coach at Davidson and his son played there, graduating in 2006. Daddy didn't exactly take it lightly on his son when the Golden Eagles played Davidson to open the season. The Wildcats won 120-56....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on April 01, 2008, 01:52:29 PM
The second UAA team that Davidson has played in the past four years, as the Judges traveled to NC during this year's sr class' freshmen campaign, getting it handed to them in the first half, then playing close the second half to eventually lose 69-49.

http://my.brandeis.edu/athletics/one-game?group_id=1385&item_id=464965

Interesting to look at the box score from this campaign, as the leading scorer for the Judges in that game (Toppi) is still at Brandeis but has focused on baseball rather than basketball, unlike the leading rebounder from that game (Lambert) who played both sports.... although he has chosen minor league baseball over playing bball in europe.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: KG4MVP05 on April 29, 2008, 07:23:55 PM
I know it's early, but how is the UAA shaping up for 2008-2009?   Any predictions?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on April 30, 2008, 01:43:50 PM
of course with 4 starters returning along with a couple of solid bench performers, Wash U will be one of the forecasted leaders, if not a unanimous choice.

Set at the 3, 4 spot with Tyler Nading, Cam Smith. with John Wolf and Caleb Knepper off the bench

Set at guard with Sean Wallis, Aaron Thompson, and Ross Kelly  with Brent Sapp off the bench

Who will replace Troy Ruths and sub Moss Schermerhorn in the middle - Somhow I think Coach Mark Edwards will figure it out - Returning Zach Kelly is an obvious answer, BUT, he needs to get better, at least defensively and rebounding wise.  Wondering if Spencer Gay would be a middle man...  We haven't really seen big men John Appel or Tom Blount play.  Or perhaps a new face?

I see on the CCIW page that Illinois Wesleyan and Hamilton are included in the Lopata  -  that will be a great tourney if a solid 4th team is added.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on May 02, 2008, 04:11:00 PM
First, Spencer Gay is by no means a "middle man." He is a more athletic Tyler Nading if you can believe that (and actually a tidbit skinnier). The three most athletic players returning are Nading, Wolf, and Gay. John Appel is just coming back from an injury before the season even began so he will be a bit rusty. Zach Kelly was continuously in foul trouble during his season (ad his career thus far), but also was trying to fight injury during the past season.

With all that being said, I am unsure what the middle will hold for the Bears...

I would say the Bears are deep in the 1-3 spots. Cam Smith, John Wolf, and Caleb Knepper were all three players this year. Spencer Gay should be capable to back up Nading in a limited capacity at 4.

I will say that even if the Bears do not decide to go small/undersized and do keep Zach, Tom, or John in the middle, they will be one of (if not the) fastest teams in the nation in their DEEP rotation with quick players in the 1-4 slots.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on May 03, 2008, 01:37:37 PM
Wanted to add a general question though. It seems like this year is graduating a hefty class mostly of big men, but of great players in general. Five seniors on the all-UAA first team. Three on the second team (all from Rochester). In terms of conference play, will anyone have a dominate presence in the middle this year anyway? Will this be a concern not just for WashU, but for any team in the UAA?

Also wanted to point out the contrast between the older UAA men's teams and the very young women's side of the UAA (one senior on the 1st team, and 3 on the second team). Last year for the women seemed to be the graduation of a distinct generation of UAA'ers. This year its the men's turn to do some identity searching for the upcoming season. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on May 03, 2008, 01:48:49 PM
I hope the Maroons are picked fourth or fifth in the coaches' poll once again - that has worked out pretty well for them the last couple of seasons.  Looking at the past 11 seasons, the average finish by school has been:

Washington University   1.6
University of Chicago                   2.1
University of Rochester   3.2
New York University   4.2
Brandeis University   5.5
Emory University   5.5
Carnegie Mellon University   5.8
Case Western Reserve University   6.6

The top four are usually in the hunt.  Brandeis became competitive in 2004-05.  CMU won the conference in 2006.  This past season, they would have been in the title hunt in about half the D3 conferences in the country.  Emory and CWRU would have been good teams in most conferences. 

For next season, Wash U will probably be favored.  Nate Hainje is a big loss for the defending champions but Chicago has a good core to build around - Jake Pancratz and Matt Corning.  Given what he has done the past two seasons, I think Mike McGrath is the best coach in the UAA.  Chicago tied with Wash U for the conference title in 2007 and won it outright this past year.  No one expected either of those outcomes.  I said I thought Chicago might go 8-6 in conference and was told I was drinking the Kool Aid.

Steve DeLuca will be back for Brandeis.  Rochester is always good.  NYU plays such a wimpy non-conference schedule that they are impossible to judge. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on May 03, 2008, 02:29:17 PM
Chicago has announced seven incoming freshmen for 2008-9.  A nice mix of frontcourt and backcourt talent.

Chase Davis (Mobile, Ala./ Murphy) 6-3 Guard
Playing for Head Coach Tim Waller, the 6'3" Davis averaged 16 points per game and led the team in assists in helping lead Murphy High School to the Area II 6A championship this past season. Davis was a three-time all-county selection and a 2008 6A Division Alabama All-Star. He was Murphy High School's most accurate three-point and free throw shooter as a senior.

Alex Doyle (Lutz, Fla./ Tampa Catholic) 6-8 C/F
Playing for Head Coach Don Dziagwa , the 6'8" Doyle averaged 13 points, eight rebounds, and three blocked shots per game for Tampa Catholic High School this past season. Doyle was named honorable mention All-Hillsborough County by the Tampa Tribune and St. Petersburg Times and was selected as an Academic All-Star by the Tampa Bay Basketball Coaches Association.

Matt Johnson (Ann Arbor, Mich./ Pioneer) 6-3 Guard
Playing for Head Coach Rex Stanczak, the 6'3" Johnson averaged 11 points, five rebounds, and four assists per game for Pioneer High School this past season. He was also the team's top three-point shooter for the third time in as many years.
The Ann Arbor News Player of the Year and a Detroit Free Press All-State second team selection, Johnson helped lead the Pioneers to a 20-0 regular season record and a #2 ranking in the final Associated Press poll.

Tommy Sotos (Elk Grove Village, Ill./ Conant) 6-3 Guard
The 6'3" Sotos is currently the leading scorer (13.0) for Head Coach Tom McCormack's Conant High School team, which is off to a 12-4 start this season. A three-year letter winner and 2007-08 team captain, Sotos earned academic all-area accolades last season.

Michael Sustarsic (Liberty, Ind./ Union County) 6-0 Guard
Playing for Head Coach Mark Detweiler, the 6'0" Sustarsic is the all-time leading scorer for Union County High School. In addition to his standing as Union County's career scoring leader, Sustarsic also holds school records for most points and three-pointers in a game, and most free throws in a season. He is averaging 19 points per contest this year and has tallied more than 40 points on two occasions.

Steve Stefanou (Cincinnati, Ohio/ St. Xavier) 6-7 Forward
Tom Williams (Cincinnati, Ohio./ St. Xavier) 6-7 Forward
Both 6'7", Stefanou and Williams are in their senior years for Head Coach Scott Martin's St. Xavier High School team, which has won 13 of its first 14 games this season. Stefanou currently leads St. Xavier in blocked shots and is the club's third-leading rebounder. Williams ranks second on the team in rebounding and assists. The 2006-07 Ohio Division I state runner-up, St. Xavier has posted a 54-12 record during the past three campaigns.


Davis, Johnson and Sustaric like to shoot the three - something about Chicago's style of play may have attracted them.  I wonder how the new 3 point line will affect them?

A few news stories:
Matt Johnson (http://www.mlive.com/highschool/annarbornews/index.ssf?/base/sports-2/120645601267360.xml&coll=2)
Alex Doyle 1 (http://blogs.tampabay.com/preps/2008/01/tc-hoops-stando.html)
Alex Doyle 2 (http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/comments/tc-forward-likes-u-of-chicago)
Mentions that he was at the Wash/UC end of season championship game.  A high school rival, Jake Seymour of Tampa Jesuit, is going to Wash.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on May 04, 2008, 12:13:28 AM
Given that WashU has dominated conference play since the conception of the UAA, how do you see McGrath as the better coach than Edwards? (not saying that your right or wrong, but how does just the past two seasons prove anything?)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on May 18, 2008, 03:13:06 AM
Congrats to WashU Men's Tennis for winning the Championship! What a great UAA story, WashU v. Emory for the title (and I believe previously WashU had never beaten Emory in tennis but I could be wrong).

This year has been great for WashU athletics, a team championship every season this athletics year. Looks like this year WashU has its best shot to take home the Director's Cup.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: John Gleich on May 19, 2008, 12:56:37 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on May 04, 2008, 12:13:28 AM
Given that WashU has dominated conference play since the conception of the UAA, how do you see McGrath as the better coach than Edwards? (not saying that your right or wrong, but how does just the past two seasons prove anything?)

I don't want to make the argument for anyone, and I don't have a stake in the discussion either way but that statement could be made if he did more with less, (though both programs have certainly had top notch players which could negate the argument).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on May 19, 2008, 01:46:05 PM
Quote from: martin on May 03, 2008, 01:48:49 PM
...Given what he has done the past two seasons, I think Mike McGrath is the best coach in the UAA.  Chicago tied with Wash U for the conference title in 2007 and won it outright this past year.  No one expected either of those outcomes....

The statement as a whole just didn't make sense to me considering in those same past two seasons while WashU has finished second (2008) and tied for first (2007) in conference, as we all know, they have won a national title and finished third. So, "given what he has done the past two seasons," I think Edwards is the best coach in the UAA.

as a side note, in this context, I would consider the recruitment of top notched players a part of comparing these (or any) UAA coaches because both UChicago and WashU are similar schools.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on May 23, 2008, 12:11:28 PM
I've heard that Sean Kane (Brown U.) is considering transfering to Wash U...

http://brownbears.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/kane_sean00.html


He'd be a very good D3 player.  He was a highly regarded high school player in the Chicago area last year.

Something to keep an eye on.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 23, 2008, 07:55:37 PM
Quote from: martin on May 03, 2008, 02:29:17 PM
.

Matt Johnson (Ann Arbor, Mich./ Pioneer) 6-3 Guard
Playing for Head Coach Rex Stanczak, the 6'3" Johnson averaged 11 points, five rebounds, and four assists per game for Pioneer High School this past season. He was also the team's top three-point shooter for the third time in as many years.
The Ann Arbor News Player of the Year and a Detroit Free Press All-State second team selection, Johnson helped lead the Pioneers to a 20-0 regular season record and a #2 ranking in the final Associated Press poll.




Davis, Johnson and Sustaric like to shoot the three - something about Chicago's style of play may have attracted them.  I wonder how the new 3 point line will affect them?

In Johnson's case.....not at all.  I saw him play in the Michigan Class A state semi-finals in 2007, and as a Junior almost all of his shots came from well behind the arc.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on May 26, 2008, 03:10:17 PM
So lets get the predictions rolling based on returning players (starters especially)

My question regarding Brandeis is how do you have Hollins and De Luca in the same line up. They both originally played the 4 and I can not see one of them coming off the bench, so who moves position and do they move to 5 or 3?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on May 27, 2008, 06:00:17 PM
Titan Q, how solid is your source on the Brown kid? I'm yet to hear anything on him, but have been out of the loop since commencement.

As for next year, NYU will be much improved, Rochester will be in a definitive rebuilding year, Chicago will again be solid, I believe Carnegie is losing a lot, Case might grab a couple league wins, Emory should be decent, but Brandeis and Wash.U. will again be the cream of the crop. I see those two teams battling for the title with U of C and NYU finishing in a relatively distant 3rd and 4th, respectively. Both Deis and Wash.U. lose their leading scorers from the 07-08 campaign, but return almost everyone else. If this kid from Brown really comes to Wash.U., that does a lot to offset the loss of O'Boyle. Assuming De Luca and Wallis come back healthy, I have a hard time believing anyone else can compete at the level of the Judges and Bears. People will talk about the loss of Ruths and they'll no doubt be right in pointing out WU's lack of a big man, but the 4 returning starters plus Wallis, a great recruiting class, a solid bench, and a possible D1 transfer have a great shot at getting back to Salem, if not repeating once there. Look for a real possibility of two UAA teams in Salem next year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 28, 2008, 12:11:56 AM
I think that you're seriously underestimating Chicago, Marty. Yes, the Maroons lose Nate Hainje, but they bring back both Matt Corning and Jake Pancratz -- and Adam Machones looks poised for a breakout 2008-09 campaign, based upon the way that he ended last season. If Mike McGrath can get more consistent play out of his big men next season, the Maroons have a puncher's chance to defend their UAA title.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on May 28, 2008, 10:48:06 PM
All due respect but Nading and a healthy Wallis (or even the combination of a 75% Wallis and Kelly) will eat Corning and Pancratz's lunch any day of the week. And there's really no arguing about which team's supporting cast is better. Does the name Aaron Thompson ring a bell? I see AT going for 16 a game next year in what figures to be a more up-tempo offense...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 29, 2008, 03:53:49 AM
Everyone wrote off Chicago last season, just like you're doing now, but who won the UAA in 2007-08?

Wash U is the clear favorite to win the league, and I don't see how that can be argued against by anybody. All I'm saying is that it's short-sighted and premature to write off the Maroons as not even being capable of anything but a distant third-place finish.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on May 29, 2008, 08:08:31 AM
Two points on this. When "everyone wrote off Chicago last season," it was before All-American candidates Deluca and Wallis got hurt. Not trying to do too much what-if speculation, but when most predictions came out for conference play, it was with Wallis healthy and Deluca presumably making it back for conference play. Noone predicts injuries.

From Marty's perspective, Pancratz and Corning's production versus WashU was average at best, so it is really hard to see those two leading a formidable Chicago team next year.

Nate Hainje was "Big Shot Bob" of last years conference championship clinching game at Chicago. With that in mind, I would also believe that BU and WashU will be head and shoulders better teams than the rest of the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 30, 2008, 02:49:27 AM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on May 29, 2008, 08:08:31 AM
Two points on this. When "everyone wrote off Chicago last season," it was before All-American candidates Deluca and Wallis got hurt. Not trying to do too much what-if speculation, but when most predictions came out for conference play, it was with Wallis healthy and Deluca presumably making it back for conference play. Noone predicts injuries.

Wash U won the national championship without Sean Wallis. You can't have it both ways. Since the Bears overcame his absence and won the national title in spite of his loss, then the significantly lesser accomplishment of winning the league should've been well within their grasp -- and in fact it was, as the Bears were in position to win the UAA outright going into the final game of the regular season. However you look at it, the preseason predictions weren't driven off-course by the loss of Wallis. This is particularly true when you take into consideration the fact that the decisive WU @ UC contest that became the UAA's de facto championship game took place at a point in the season (March 1) when the Bears were already well accustomed to playing with Ross Kelley at the point rather than Wallis.

Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on May 29, 2008, 08:08:31 AMFrom Marty's perspective, Pancratz and Corning's production versus WashU was average at best, so it is really hard to see those two leading a formidable Chicago team next year.

Is it really?

In last season's finale at the Ratner Center, Corning had an 11-and-7 game against Wash U and Pancratz scored 15. More impressively, Pancratz dished out nine assists in that game and only had one turnover. I was at that game, and I can vouch for the fact that both Maroons played very well. If Marty thinks that these performances were "average at best", then he and I clearly have two very different ideas as to what constitutes "average". I'll take an "average" point guard who scores 15 and has a 9:1 A/TO ratio on my team anyday (and twice on Sundays).

Marty predicts that Aaron Thompson will score 16 ppg in 2008-09, which is four and a half points per game more than he averaged this past season. In other words, he's basing his projection of Thompson's production next season upon something other than last season's numbers, which is perfectly valid. Players often get better from one season to the next; that's the nature of college basketball. If Thompson can do so, why not Corning and Pancratz?

Corning averaged 17.7 ppg last season and was Chicago's leading scorer. Pancratz averaged 11.6 ppg. Machones averaged 11.5 ppg in Chicago's last four games (NYU, Brandeis, Wash U, and UWSP). They'll do fine next season.

Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on May 29, 2008, 08:08:31 AMNate Hainje was "Big Shot Bob" of last years conference championship clinching game at Chicago. With that in mind, I would also believe that BU and WashU will be head and shoulders better teams than the rest of the UAA.

That's a pretty spurious reason to toss Chicago onto next year's scrap heap. Yeah, Hainje hit some big shots last winter, including the one with :49 left that beat the Bears in that final game of the regular season. (He also missed some big shots, such as a trey at the buzzer that would've beaten Rochester in the Ratner Center, but that's neither here nor there.) But Brandon Woodhead and Jesse Meyer hit plenty of big shots the year before as well, and the year before that, too, and before they were hitting them Scott Fisher and Derek Reich hit them ... and so on and so forth. Just because Hainje's gone doesn't mean that nobody will be able to step up and be the money player in crunch time for the Maroons next year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on May 30, 2008, 07:44:51 AM
Greg, just to add a different point of view

The only time I saw Chicago last year was when they played AT Wash U.

They were awful

Your "good buddy" FCNews stated at that time that they likely were at a competitive level with one of the two or three top SLIAC teams  -  on that day, I couldn't disagree with him  (and FC and I don't agree on much)

Was I shocked at the Bear's regular season ending loss to Wash U - you bet.  But wow, from my single game view of Chicago, they fell far short of the Wash U talent level.  At the time of Chicago's win over Wash U, I chalked it up to the Bears looking ahead to the tourney, rather than a shortcoming in talent or coaching to Chicago.

And as to Aaron Thompson, he was outstanding down in Salem - his ppg were in the 12 range over the year because he is a streaky outside shooter - but with Ruths out of the middle this year, I think he'll be a more diverse offensive player like Tyler Nading - I firmly agree he could be a 16 ppg man this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 30, 2008, 08:25:33 AM
Nobody's arguing that the Maroons weren't awful in that game down in St. Louis, Hopefan. The Chicago coaches and players would be the first to agree with you. But you're basing your opinion of them upon a highly atypical performance; that's always a danger in college basketball. It's all too easy to see a team once and decide that you've got them all figured out. You need to step back and take a look at the bigger picture and see in the larger context if that game was truly indicative of the team's ability, or if it was an aberration. And as far as the 2007-08 Maroons were concerned, the bigger picture is this: Chicago won the UAA outright last season. The Maroons went 18-8 overall and 11-3 in conference. Were they the greatest thing since sliced bread? No. Were they the most talented team in the UAA last season? No. But they were much better than what you saw in that game, so if you're basing your opinion of the 2007-08 Maroons off of that one game, then you've missed the boat.

And if Mark Edwards and his Bears are 100% honest, there's no way that they would agree with any assessment that they were "looking ahead to the tourney" when they lost to Chicago in the final game of the regular season. I mean, come on -- the game was for the UAA title, and it was against the Bears' archrivals. If you can't get up for a game like that, then you don't have a pulse!

I saw no indication whatsoever that the Bears were phoning it in that Saturday afternoon. They played hard, and they wanted to win that game. They simply got beat that day by another talented team -- a somewhat less talented team, to be sure, but a talented team nevertheless -- that outexecuted and outhustled them.

(And I'm not disagreeing at all with Marty's contention that Aaron Thompson could score 16 ppg next season. I'm just saying that Matt Corning and Jake Pancratz could improve upon their scoring marks from last season, too.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on May 30, 2008, 07:14:30 PM
Finally some talk on this board. Usually the off-season is extremely boring on this board...

Greg, you missed my point. My point is that people weren't "writing off" Chicago in the middle of the season. Speaking for myself, I didn't think they had enough to win the UAA in comparison to a healthy WashU AND Brandeis roster. That was my original thought. Pre-season conference predictions take into consideration games between all teams, not just head to head.

Second, I stand by my point that between the two games that Chicago face WashU,  it could be conceived that Pancratz and Corning played average at best.
Pancratz was 2/10 from the field with 1 assist and 2 t/o's  in the first game. Combine that with the conference ending game, and I still think someone can consider the performances against the WU "average." A very good game and a very bad one. Corning had 7 points, 4 boards, and 3 turnovers in the first game. Hainje was the only one to show up for BOTH games against WashU (of course, he simply did what seniors should do).

Aaron Thompson will probably finally just play his natural position as a 2 because of Wallis' return. Marty probably also took that into consideration in his prediction of Thompson's point production. That should make a huge difference because WashU's offense isn't natural built for point guard scoring production.

(As an aside, this is really just discussion that caught my eye. But, I haven't looked at returning rosters to make any summer predictions, but I had to comment on Marty's post, because it looked like some fun. I neither agree nor disagree with any definitive view on the returnees for any UAA team.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 31, 2008, 12:56:54 AM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on May 30, 2008, 07:14:30 PMGreg, you missed my point. My point is that people weren't "writing off" Chicago in the middle of the season.

The "middle of the season"? You never mentioned the middle of the season in your previous post. You did mention Deluca's and Wallis's injuries, but they were scratched after the second Brandeis and third Wash U games, respectively, not in the middle of the season. There's a big difference between late November and the middle of the season.

But that's really beside the point. The issue at hand is the preseason comments made by UAA fans who were writing off the Maroons last year. That's what I brought up in my initial retort to Marty. Why? Because it's the preseason right now -- the preseason for 2008-09 -- and this is shaping up to be a reprise of last preseason in terms of Chicago being prematurely dismissed as a possible contender.

Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on May 30, 2008, 07:14:30 PMSecond, I stand by my point that between the two games that Chicago face WashU,  it could be conceived that Pancratz and Corning played average at best.
Pancratz was 2/10 from the field with 1 assist and 2 t/o's  in the first game. Combine that with the conference ending game, and I still think someone can consider the performances against the WU "average." A very good game and a very bad one. Corning had 7 points, 4 boards, and 3 turnovers in the first game. Hainje was the only one to show up for BOTH games against WashU (of course, he simply did what seniors should do).

I'd argue that the second game between the two teams counted for more, since both the Maroons and the Bears knew going into that final Saturday that the tilt in Ratner would be for all the marbles. But when you put the two games together, yeah, you're right, Corning and Pancratz were mediocre. But were they average players for the entire year, not just the two Wash U games? It's pretty apparent that the answer is no -- which is why I went after Marty for dissing the two of them in the first place. Marty used a small and selective sample size (well, technically you did in speaking on Marty's behalf ;)), rather than taking the entire season's worth of work by the two Maroons into consideration. I saw almost all of Chicago's home games this past season, and one of their road games as well (against a pretty good Wheaton team, a team that they faced while Hainje was in street clothes due to a knee injury). I saw most of Chicago's home games the year before, too. By now I have a pretty good idea of the caliber of Pancratz and Corning. I'm not so sure that Marty does.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on May 31, 2008, 02:55:09 AM
From my understanding, Deluca had been attempting a comeback at the middle of the season. Instead of middle of season, I probably should have said "in-season." That was my mistake.

IMHO people had "written off" Chicago in the preseason. And with injuries, you never know what will happen. Thats all I was saying. And I reiterate that the preseason is pre-injury time. (obviously pre-newcomer time too, but thats not on topic right now) That's all.

Now, I don't know what games Marty was basing anything on of course... But, I know he just graduated, so the games that he has seen may or may not influence his answer. And with that said, where the heck is Marty? lol... ;D ;) (I have a crapload of exposure to UChicago games too.)

My biggest trouble is in separating or distinguishing talented teams from winning teams. In that regard, I am much better at predicting a series (and sometimes tourney) than a single game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on June 17, 2008, 04:02:02 AM
Wash.U. usually brings in two studs a year, with the hope that the supporting crop of recruits turns into players as well. This year's big duo is Richter and Seymour. I'm told that both are very, very good and that both should see time as freshman. I haven't heard anything on the rest of the class, but I'm hoping for surprises. O'Boyle and Ruths were the two for the class of 2008, with Schermerhorn being the lone other senior to grind it out for the whole four years. Nading and Wallis, the two focal points for the class of 2009, both remain but their classmates have since moved on to focus on the books. Cam Smith and Aaron Thompson are obviously the glue for the class of 2010, but Ross Kelly, Zach Kelly and Jon wolff (and to some extent Tom Blount) have proven their worth as players and should be around for the coming season, with both Kellys prominently figuring into the mix . Caleb Knepper and Spencer Gay are the notable pair in the class of 2011, with Brent Sapp also having seen some time as a frosh due to Wallis' injury. With so much returning talent and a couple of apparently terrific rookies, it will be interesting to see who Edwards uses in his regular rotation come November. With such a strong class of rising juniors, there are legitimately 10-11 guys who could garner serious minutes next season, making Wash.U. a much deeper team than in years past...Obviously a nice problem for a coach to have...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on June 17, 2008, 12:47:50 PM
It's a small world  -  My alma mater out east considered Jake Seymor their number 1 recruit.  I was asked to contact Jake as an alum and give him a big sales pitch, but in the same conversation, I was told he was also considering Wash U.   I had to decline ....   besides feeling I was too removed from my alma mater's program and current campus happenings to adequately speak about it, there was no way I could bring myself to compete against the Wash U program I've supported for the last 20 years .

While I regret that Jake did not end up at my alma mater, I'm thrilled he'll be playing for Wash U and that I'll be able to watch him for the next four years.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on June 22, 2008, 04:49:28 PM
I don't know where else to post this but does anybody else watch the "CBS Sports Presents Championships of the NCAA" shows?  The fall show had the WashU Volleyball championship and the spring show the Men's Tennis championship, but basketball did not show up in the winter show or anywhere else.  Does CBS cover the Division II and Division III basketball championships as part of their Division I March Madness coverage, and if so does anybody have it recorded?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 22, 2008, 05:24:41 PM
Quote"CBS Sports Presents Championships of the NCAA" will air at 2 p.m. Eastern time/11 a.m. Pacific time Sunday, June 22, on CBS Sports.   Highlights and stories from baseball, golf, rowing, softball, tennis and outdoor track & field will be featured in the program.  For the 2007-2008 academic year, CBS Sports has featured 44 of the NCAA's 88 championships in the three seasonal shows.

Courtesy of TigerDad, the father of all-American Chris Baer, Trinity University.

I am not sure when they replay it!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 22, 2008, 09:20:01 PM
Quote from: mark_reichert on June 22, 2008, 04:49:28 PM
I don't know where else to post this but does anybody else watch the "CBS Sports Presents Championships of the NCAA" shows?  The fall show had the WashU Volleyball championship and the spring show the Men's Tennis championship, but basketball did not show up in the winter show or anywhere else.  Does CBS cover the Division II and Division III basketball championships as part of their Division I March Madness coverage, and if so does anybody have it recorded?

This show does not include championships that were televised elsewhere.

Not sure if CBS does anything else with it other than its original airing on CBS College Sports.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on July 12, 2008, 12:22:34 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/andy_staples/07/11/small.colleges/index.html?eref=T1

Article about travel in D3 from another poster. The author uses the UAA as an example of smart traveling.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 12, 2008, 01:41:06 PM
Yes, although the writer seems to be unaware that it's a long-held practice and used frequently in D-III. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on August 09, 2008, 03:21:28 PM
I was reading back and realized I had missed participating in the discussion of Field House crowds by mentioning the largest crowd I've been in at the WashU Field House and probably the second largest it has ever had since the opening crowd mentioned at the Bears Athletics web site.

http://media.www.studlife.com/media/storage/paper337/news/2001/04/03/Sports/Rodgers.Holds.Her.Own.Against.DI.Stars-62616.shtml

2800 and I can verify the crowd was shoulder to shoulder.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: maroonfan23 on August 11, 2008, 01:07:22 PM
Nate Hainje will be playing for the Manchester Magic next year.  Nice article in the local paper:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/basketball/s/1061220_new_boy_hainje_can_be_magic_leader
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on August 11, 2008, 11:21:03 PM
Quote from: maroonfan23 on August 11, 2008, 01:07:22 PM
Nate Hainje will be playing for the Manchester Magic next year.  Nice article in the local paper:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/basketball/s/1061220_new_boy_hainje_can_be_magic_leader

Thats the same team Eliot Goren from CMU played for about 3 years ago.  The team is owned by former NBA player John Amaechi.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: emoryeagle on August 26, 2008, 08:58:59 AM
Does anyone have any word on emory's incoming class?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on August 28, 2008, 07:49:00 PM
I must be bored, but when will the front page banner change to reflect the fact that Amherst is, in fact, not #1 but #2?  If I were a Wash U fan.........
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 29, 2008, 03:58:23 PM
Yeah, sorry -- there's an issue that we have to resolve because this banner is a different size than the rest and needs a template built from scratch. I thought we'd have the redesigned site ready to go first but it's not looking like it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on October 09, 2008, 09:28:41 PM
Steve DeLuca (BU), Tyler Nading (WU) and Sean Wallis (WU) were named honorable mention All-Americans by The Sporting News.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on October 11, 2008, 12:01:18 PM
Honorable Mention for those three? That is a joke....That sounds like 3 first teamers to me...

Is there a link anywhere to the sporting news rankings?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on October 11, 2008, 04:13:09 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on October 11, 2008, 12:01:18 PM
Honorable Mention for those three? That is a joke....That sounds like 3 first teamers to me...

Is there a link anywhere to the sporting news rankings?

Not that I could find, I looked at a friends copy.

First team is:

Matt Goodwin, UW-Whitewater

Richard Jean-Baptiste, Brooklyn (N.Y.)

Ryan Krueger, Lawrence

Kent Raymond, Wheaton (Ill.)

Jeff Skemp, UW-Platteville


I think it is only printed in hard copy.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 11, 2008, 06:45:16 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on October 11, 2008, 12:01:18 PM
Honorable Mention for those three? That is a joke....That sounds like 3 first teamers to me...

Don't get your knickers in a twist. It's only Sporting News, a magazine that doesn't cover D3 sports and doesn't care about D3 sports.

The d3hoops.com preseason team is the one with which everyone should be concerned, so keep your powder dry in case you need to criticize Pat over his selections. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on October 12, 2008, 01:56:46 AM
I know its only sporting news, thats why I do not really care. Arnt they like the only ranking that didnt make Troy Ruths first team/POY last year, or was that someone else?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on October 14, 2008, 11:54:19 PM
Pretty impressive that Wallis and Deluca are still getting national love (and deservedly so in my opinion) considering that injuries restricted their time on the court almost entirely in 07-08. Can't say anything regarding Steve, but word is that Sean is at or very close to full strength and WUSTL hoops nation is quite pleased as a result.

On a side note, I really do believe that Aaron Thompson should get all-America consideration and I think anyone who was at last year's final four will agree. A.T. is going to have a tremendous year, mark my words. With WU going to a more guard-oriented attack in the absence of Troy, I expect Thompson to put up potentially huge numbers. The sky's the limit with Aaron and when he wants to, he will take over games. He has truly become a complete player and it's not unfeasible that he ends up leading the team in scoring in 08-09.

Looking forward to another competitive UAA season and to seeing the gyms of some east coast opponents...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on October 20, 2008, 09:30:00 PM
The D3 Hoops banner was changed, and it looks great repping the UAA.

Hey Marty Perez, I think I see your fingers in the picture of the WashU crowd on the left portion!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on October 21, 2008, 07:08:48 AM
 :) I'm sure AT appreciates the mention but I'm sure that he will be glad to play whatever role Coach Edwards places him in.  There will be an adjustment period, seeing how Sean responds as well as getting used to a different face in the middle.  I don't get to see many games but I'm glad they will be at Anderson so I can see two early in the year.  Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: woowashu on October 23, 2008, 09:13:23 PM
I think Wash U. will look great this year.  Can't wait to watch them in Anderson and hopefully at Emory!  The UAA certainly has improved their programs over the past five years--they have become a great league to watch. 

Go bears, Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 24, 2008, 10:32:19 PM
CWRU has two transfers from scholarship divisions.
Reid Anderson 6'6" F/G from St. Eds xfr from Albany (NY) DI
Bryan Erce 6'3" G from Berwyn IL (Morton West) xfr from Queens (NC) DII
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: cwuflmom on October 25, 2008, 02:54:45 PM
With Herring, Young and Skuski back as well as the addtion of freshman Allen Mallory(GA) and Billy Leeds(FL)...the Spartans will no longer be the UAA doormat.

GO SPARTANS!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: scottiedawg on October 25, 2008, 05:38:28 PM
For sure WashU will be great once again with Wallis returning.  But I think people are underestimating the enormous impact that Ruths had. 

Just the numbers, Ruths provided:
28% of offense
20% of rebounding
15% of assists
16% of minutes played

And I think that WashU fans can attest to the intangible ways that Ruths helped the team.  The defensive attention that he commanded, and his perfect amount of unselfishness will be sorely missed. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on October 27, 2008, 08:01:23 AM
Quote from: cwuflmom on October 25, 2008, 02:54:45 PM
With Herring, Young and Skuski back as well as the addtion of freshman Allen Mallory(GA) and Billy Leeds(FL)...the Spartans will no longer be the UAA doormat.

GO SPARTANS!

I agree with everything you say.  Except adding the Leeds kid as some sort of contributor.  I mean, come on.  Leeds?    And the doormat part as well......

I kid Ms. Leeds.  Congrats and here's hoping you have a heck of a ride the next 4 years.  Though not too spectacular.  That wouldn't do.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on October 27, 2008, 10:13:21 AM
Quote from: cwuflmom on October 25, 2008, 02:54:45 PM
With Herring, Young and Skuski back as well as the addtion of freshman Allen Mallory(GA) and Billy Leeds(FL)...the Spartans will no longer be the UAA doormat.

GO SPARTANS!

I wouldnt get too excited yet.  Who is Case going to pass to get out of the cellar? Although Case may have improved, the league is still very strong.  There were 4 NCAA teams and 6 postseason teams in all last year from the UAA. I dont think there is much chance that they are going to be better overall than WashU, Chicago, Brandeis, Rochester, and Carnegie Mellon.  The will probably still compete for doormat status with NYU and Emory.  Call me a skeptic, but I have played/followed the UAA for about a decade now and CWRU has never done better than 6th (3rd worst) in the UAA and they have never had more than 4 UAA wins in a season, with their best UAA winning percentage being 29% (4-10 twice).  They have finished last or tied for last each of the last 5 years in the UAA with an overall winning percentage of <13% in those 5 years, here is a summary:

07-08     1-13     Last in UAA
06-07     1-13     Last
05-06     4-10     Tied Last
04-05     1-13     Last
03-04     2-12     Last
02-03     4-10     6th of 8
01-02     3-11     Tied Last
00-01     4-11     6th of 8
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: T990 on October 27, 2008, 01:31:50 PM
OK, but if you didn't know, Case is undefeated in football this year, was undefeated last year too, and has won 18 straight games.  The soccer team was ranked in the last 2 years too.  Maybe something is happening w/ Case athletics (?).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on October 27, 2008, 03:55:25 PM
Here are some other interesting facts that have no bearing on the CWRU basketball program:
Tampa Bay went from worst to first this year in the AL
The Boston Celtics did the same last year in the NBA East Atlantic Division
The Steve Harvey Show was aired the first 20 minutes of the ALCS Game 6 this year on TBS
Texas is #1 in the BCS
The CWRU midfielder on the soccer team plays a mean guitar (http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/news.htm#s1_page2)


Given all of this information, I am still skeptical about the Case basketball programs chances in the UAA this year.  They are still a combined 2-26 (7% winning) the last 2 years and they are still in arguably the toughest dIII conference in the nation, which returns: 1) the national champions, 2) 4 NCAA tournament teams, 3) the ECAC south champions, and 4) a total of 6 teams that played in the post season a year ago.  Until they actually start winning conference games, I will remain skeptical. 

Their problem is not only players but they have very little home court advantage because no one comes to the games and their gym is the equivalent of a middle school gym.  They have had good players in the past and still not won (Carsen Oren, Funso Lafe come to mind), so until they do win some comference games there is no reason to think that anything will change this year (I say this as an outsider, I am sure the guys involved with the program have higher goals and I wish them luck, but I dont think it is likely to happen). With that said, CMU did go from being pretty bad to good in the span of 4 or 5 years.  But they got progressively better every year (2000-2006), peaking by going 10-4 two years in a row (2005 and 2006) and winning the UAA the second year.  So CWRU may win a couple more games than last year in the UAA, if they have improved talent but chances are they will remain in the bottom 2 or 3 in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 28, 2008, 01:26:03 AM
Quote from: T990 on October 27, 2008, 01:31:50 PM
OK, but if you didn't know, Case is undefeated in football this year, was undefeated last year too, and has won 18 straight games.  The soccer team was ranked in the last 2 years too.  Maybe something is happening w/ Case athletics (?).

T990, hugenerd is right. Why would the success of the football team and/or the soccer team have any impact upon the success of the basketball team?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 28, 2008, 02:09:14 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 28, 2008, 01:26:03 AM
Quote from: T990 on October 27, 2008, 01:31:50 PM
OK, but if you didn't know, Case is undefeated in football this year, was undefeated last year too, and has won 18 straight games.  The soccer team was ranked in the last 2 years too.  Maybe something is happening w/ Case athletics (?).

T990, hugenerd is right. Why would the success of the football team and/or the soccer team have any impact upon the success of the basketball team?

Um, because the school has dedicated to upgrading athletics in general?

I have no knowledge either way, but that seemed an obvious response. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 28, 2008, 03:36:19 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 28, 2008, 02:09:14 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 28, 2008, 01:26:03 AM
Quote from: T990 on October 27, 2008, 01:31:50 PM
OK, but if you didn't know, Case is undefeated in football this year, was undefeated last year too, and has won 18 straight games.  The soccer team was ranked in the last 2 years too.  Maybe something is happening w/ Case athletics (?).

T990, hugenerd is right. Why would the success of the football team and/or the soccer team have any impact upon the success of the basketball team?

Um, because the school has dedicated to upgrading athletics in general?

Even if that was true, Chuck, and even if that was what T990 was getting at (it's not really what he said, as "something is happening" is a very vague statement), it's reflective rather than causative. In other words, the success of the football team and the success of the soccer team could indicate a dedication to upgrading athletics in general at CWRU, but the successes of those two teams could not bring about a corresponding improvement in the basketball team, because the success of a team in one sport doesn't spill over onto a team in another sport (with obvious exceptions in the various running sports: cross-country, indoor track, and track & field). It'd be like saying that the Spartans basketball team is going to be better because the Spartans football team has done such a good job over the past year or so of bringing in 275-pound linemen with quick feet and good upper-body strength. Well, bully for the football team, but those big linemen won't do a lick of good for the basketball team.

Remember, this conversation's context is that of the recent lack of success of the Spartans cagers within the UAA (and overall, too, if you look at CWRU's records within this decade). That's a much more compelling data set when it comes to ascertaining a program's health than is an uptick in the other men's sports at that school -- especially when no evidence has been brought forth that a coaching change or a facilities upgrade, the two primary indicators one would look for to see an institutional change of direction with regard to the program, have been put into effect recently by the CWRU administration.

The only tangible bits of evidence offered thus far that CWRU might be better this year than last are: 1) cwuflmom's pointing out that two of the top three scorers for the Spartans last season (Steve Young, 13.1 ppg, and Kevin Herring, 12.2 ppg) are returning -- and, to her credit, that's a fairly compelling argument; and 2) cwru70's statement that two scholarship-level transfers are joining the team (Reid Anderson got into four games for a grand total of 22 minutes last year for D1 Albany and scored four points; Bryan Erce, who was a good player in a good conference during his prep days at Morton West in the West Suburban Gold Conference in Chicagoland, was in and out of the rotation for D2 Queens last year and never made much of an impact). Saying that the CWRU football team and soccer team are doing well, and that therefore "maybe something is happening" that bodes well for the CWRU basketball team, is by contrast not much of an argument at all.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 28, 2008, 09:04:59 AM
Welcome flmom.  Nice to get some recruits from under Emory's nose.  One of whom appears to be flson.  Here's to a great career for him in University Circle.  Lets hope Skuski can stay healthy. 

nerd..while not showing up in the win column, CWRU was competitive in games last year.  All but a couple UAA games were close at the half and the Spartans were one bad pass by a freshman from beating national champ WUStL.

CWRU's may be middle school-ish, but isn't CMU's like an ancient junior high?  CWRU should go back to old Adelbert Gym for more than just the throw-back weekend.  That would give a home court advantage!  I miss the radiators behind the benches though.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on October 28, 2008, 11:37:44 AM
Quote from: cwru70 on October 28, 2008, 09:04:59 AM
Welcome flamom.  Nice to get some recruits from under Emory's nose.  One of whom appears to be your son.  Here's to a great career for him in University Circle.  Lets hope Skuski can stay healthy. 

nerd..while not showing up in the win column, CWRU was competitive in games last year.  All but a couple UAA games were close at the half and the Spartans were one bad pass by a freshman from beating national champ WUStL.

CWRU's may be middle school-ish, but isn't CMU's like an ancient junior high?  CWRU should go back to old Adelbert Gym for more than just the throw-back weekend.  That would give a home court advantage!  I miss the radiators behind the benches though.

CMU does have an old gym. The reason they cant get rid of it is because it is a historic landmark so it cannot be rebuilt.  However, the ceilings are higher than CWRU's gym (which, in my opinion, make a big difference) and it is larger in general (if the bleachers are down it can accomodate 4 courts).  CMU has renovated the entire building in recent years, however, and the court is brand new.  Rochester, for example, also has an old gym but I would consider it one of the best in the UAA because of the atmosphere (it is like an old gladiator forum with the players playing a "pit" and the crowd surrounding over top).  The main drawbacks to CWRU's gym are: 1) low ceilings, 2) very limited seating for fans, 3) dead spots on floor (at least the last time I played there 3 years ago), 4) a window with treadmills that is cut out of one wall (that is really annoying, especially in a gym that small), and 5) the very small size of the gym in general. 

If I had to vote, I would rank the gyms in the UAA as follows: 1) WashU, 2) Chicago (when they moved to the new center, the old one was awful), 3) Rochester, 4) NYU, 5) CMU, 6) Brandeis, 7) Emory , 8) CWRU.  The reason I put Emory so low is because their floor is always awful (tons of dead spots) and I hate that there is a screen on one side.  I also dont like the screen on one side at Brandeis.  NYU is nice because NYU has seating on pretty much every side (for big games) and its cool playing 3 floors below ground.  CMU's saving grace is their nice floor and the fact that the entire gym is devoted to basketball (which cant be said for Brandeis or Emory, which have their gyms partitioned with screens from larger rec centers, this is the way the old Chicago gym was also).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on October 28, 2008, 11:57:18 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on October 27, 2008, 10:13:21 AM
Quote from: cwuflmom on October 25, 2008, 02:54:45 PM
With Herring, Young and Skuski back as well as the addtion of freshman Allen Mallory(GA) and Billy Leeds(FL)...the Spartans will no longer be the UAA doormat.

GO SPARTANS!

I wouldnt get too excited yet.  Who is Case going to pass to get out of the cellar? Although Case may have improved, the league is still very strong.  There were 4 NCAA teams and 6 postseason teams in all last year from the UAA. I dont think there is much chance that they are going to be better overall than WashU, Chicago, Brandeis, Rochester, and Carnegie Mellon.  The will probably still compete for doormat status with NYU and Emory.  Call me a skeptic, but I have played/followed the UAA for about a decade now and CWRU has never done better than 6th (3rd worst) in the UAA and they have never had more than 4 UAA wins in a season, with their best UAA winning percentage being 29% (4-10 twice).  They have finished last or tied for last each of the last 5 years in the UAA with an overall winning percentage of <13% in those 5 years, here is a summary:

07-08     1-13     Last in UAA
06-07     1-13     Last
05-06     4-10     Tied Last
04-05     1-13     Last
03-04     2-12     Last
02-03     4-10     6th of 8
01-02     3-11     Tied Last
00-01     4-11     6th of 8

HN, I love you bro, but I have to disagree with NYU being in the doormat conversation. First off nobody even thought NYU was going to get 3-4 wins last year and they ended up going 6-8 in UAA play. This includes a game they lost to CMU that they should have won, and a few games that they got smacked in but it was due to the sheer lack of experience and leadership. That lack of experience and leadership is now gone. NYU graduates two players, starting PG Charlie Parker who averaged 9.4 ppg during league play, and nonfactor C Mike Magee. So basically NYU has only gotten stronger since last season. John Mish averaged 13.3 ppg, 6.4 rpg while shooting .551 from the field. In the 9 UAA games he started he averaged 15.3 ppg and 8.2 ppg. Add Richie Polan, who arguably should have been the UAA ROY, due to the fact that he averaged 10.3 ppg and 5.4 rpg for a team that won 6 games vs. Kevin Herring's 11.2 ppg and 2.21 apg during a year where CWRU managed only one UAA win. Then there's Keith Jensen who I believe will put it all together this year and surprise a few people in the UAA, along with DJ Glavan who will be such a sleeper stud this year running the point.

I am a homer, but I also can see what is in front of me. Going into last season, I honestly thought that NYU would struggle to put up 2 w's on the board, but they played much better than I thought they would. I think there is a definite addition by subtraction from last year, there are leaders up and down the roster and I think they are going to finish in the in the top 4 this year in the league. I think Wash will be good but I agree with scottiedawg, everyone is underestimating Troy Ruths. It's actually ridiculous, watching Wash play for the last three years, he drove that team. Throw in a Sean Wallis coming off a major injury and I think that Wash will be good but will struggle and show signs of weakness. Nading is hustler as well as Thompson, but they cannot carry Wash. UChicago will battle Brandeis for the UAA crown this year. Chicago is in my opinion the most fundamentally sound team in the league, and they literally beat you to every ball. Brandeis is loaded with talent, and if they don't succumb to the NYU class of 07 curse, where they try and rely on talent vs. hard work, I see them being a national FORCE.  I think U of R is really going to struggle losing their 3 best bigs, along with Dominiak. CMU just doesn't impress me at all and they lose Kozak. I believe that Emory and CWRU will struggle, Emory loses Spiros CWRU loses Conrad (who I believe would have been ridiculous on any of the competitive UAA teams). I think this year will be year of great games, and trust me; NYU will NOT be a doormat.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on October 28, 2008, 12:35:42 PM
I admit that I do not know much about NYU.  I was considering putting them with CMU and Rochester in the second tier of the UAA when I made that post (the first tier being Wash, Chicago and Brandeis), but I didnt really hear of them doing much to improve.  CMU's main loss, I would say, is not just Kozak but Greg Gonzalez, who was first team all-UAA and was an all-great lakes performer as well (he is know playing in Germany). With that said, I still think they have a lot of talent and they have a very large and talented freshman class, as well as experienced returning players in Ryan Einwag (two time 2nd-team all UAA and Outstanding Player of ECAC South Tourney last year), Jack Anderson, Elliot Curtis, Terrance Bouldin-Johnson, Rob Pearson, Shane Rife, and Jon Wollebon.  They return 3 starters: Einwag, Bouldin-Johnson, and Anderson, as well as 5 other players who played 24 games or more last season: Curtis, Rife, Pearson, Wollebon, and Matthew Pettit.  I think CMU has the opportunity to be better than last year's 6-8 in the UAA(they were 19-9 overall). Rochester is obviously a question mark because of all their losses, but Chicago and WashU also had significant losses to graduation, so it will be interesting to see how the season will progress.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on October 28, 2008, 12:51:45 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on October 28, 2008, 12:35:42 PM
I admit that I do not know much about NYU.  I was considering putting them with CMU and Rochester in the second tier of the UAA when I made that post (the first tier being Wash, Chicago and Brandeis), but I didnt really hear of them doing much to improve.  CMU's main loss, I would say, is not just Kozak but Greg Gonzalez, who was first team all-UAA and was an all-great lakes performer as well (he is know playing in Germany). With that said, I still think they have a lot of talent and they have a very large and talented freshman class, as well as experienced returning players in Ryan Einwag (two time 2nd-team all UAA and Outstanding Player of ECAC South Tourney last year), Jack Anderson, Elliot Curtis, Terrance Bouldin-Johnson, Rob Pearson, Shane Rife, and Jon Wollebon.  They return 3 starters: Einwag, Bouldin-Johnson, and Anderson, as well as 5 other players who played 24 games or more last season: Curtis, Rife, Pearson, Wollebon, and Matthew Pettit.  I think CMU has the opportunity to be better than last year's 6-8 in the UAA(they were 19-9 overall). Rochester is obviously a question mark because of all their losses, but Chicago and WashU also had significant losses to graduation, so it will be interesting to see how the season will progress.

It will be interesting to see what they do without the size and athletic ability of last years bigs.  Some freshmen with size but not sure if they are ready for the riggors of UAA ball.  Solid point and SG return.  I imagine Coach Neer has had similar situations over the past 33 years so I'll wager there is a plan.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on October 29, 2008, 10:23:42 PM
DBlock,
Thompson and Nading can't drive the Bears? Tyler averaged 15 points a game last season and had the highest field goal percentage on the team. When Wallis initially went down, it was Nading who rose to the challenge. He tallied 31 points and almost finished with a triple double in a crucial win against Plattville. Additionally, it was Thompson who shouldered the load at the point prior to Kelly's maturation. The fact is that when Wallis first went down, Troy underwent one of the roughest patches of his career. It wasn't until Nading and Thompson (and Kelly) got the Bears back on track that Troy's numbers picked back up. A tremendous player no doubt, but Ruths relied on his guards quite a bit. I see this Wash.U. team as getting off to a hot start, taking some tough losses in UAA play when things get more physical, and then making a deep run into the tournament, if not all the way. The loss of Ruths will hurt, but to say that they'll lose to Chicago is ludicrous. On what basis is that statement being made? They're without Hainje, so what makes them different from WU?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on October 30, 2008, 04:43:22 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on October 29, 2008, 10:23:42 PM
DBlock,
Thompson and Nading can't drive the Bears? Tyler averaged 15 points a game last season and had the highest field goal percentage on the team. When Wallis initially went down, it was Nading who rose to the challenge. He tallied 31 points and almost finished with a triple double in a crucial win against Plattville. Additionally, it was Thompson who shouldered the load at the point prior to Kelly's maturation. The fact is that when Wallis first went down, Troy underwent one of the roughest patches of his career. It wasn't until Nading and Thompson (and Kelly) got the Bears back on track that Troy's numbers picked back up. A tremendous player no doubt, but Ruths relied on his guards quite a bit. I see this Wash.U. team as getting off to a hot start, taking some tough losses in UAA play when things get more physical, and then making a deep run into the tournament, if not all the way. The loss of Ruths will hurt, but to say that they'll lose to Chicago is ludicrous. On what basis is that statement being made? They're without Hainje, so what makes them different from WU?

Marty,

I made my statement based upon watching Wash play over the last 3 years as an opponent. Ruths was the key to stopping that offense, Gameplanning against Wash was all about limiting Ruths. Nading is a good player, but he is not an offensive juggernaut, neither is AT. I'm not disrespecting them; I just personally believe that Wash will definitely suffer from not having Troy on the block. There will be considerably less open knock down shots for everyone on Wash, and Troy was simply a presence. Anytime a team loses a player as good as Ruths, they will suffer. You are completely entitled to believing that AT, Nading and Sean can carry Wash, I just do not think that will happen. Wash is a good team, but they will not live up to their Number 1 ranking. I don't think saying that Wash losing to Chicago is ludicrous, saying Wash will lose to Emory may be ludicrous, but Chicago? No that's just looking at the matchup of the two teams and deciding that a less than 100% Wallis is going to stop Pancratz from running Chicago all over Wash. And I make that statement after speaking to one of Sean's summer league teammates who said that he looks good, but is nowhere as good as he was preinjury, he still can shoot the lights out, but his quickness and lateral movement have definitely been harmed by his injury. That along with my belief that Corning is underrated as hell, leads me to think that Chicago will be better than Wash. I love that you support your squad to the fullest, but you are being incredibly naive if you don't think that Wash will take a few steps back. Hell, I might be wrong, I thought Wash was going to be really affected by Sean getting hurt, and I told him this when he got hurt, he told me they'd be ok, and they won the whole thing. So once again, I see Wash being good, but not nearly as good, and not Championship Defending good.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: woowashu on October 30, 2008, 09:13:25 PM
I think that Wash U will have to change their style a bit to compensate for the loss of Troy.  So, until we see how they change things up, I don't think we can pass judgment on their season.

But as for me, I'll be planning on a trip up north come Final 4 time ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on October 31, 2008, 10:09:31 AM
up north?  Salem Virginia, not Salem Mass  ;D   go Bears


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: woowashu on October 31, 2008, 10:13:45 AM
from my neck of the woods Salem, VA is just as North as Salem, MA.  Wouldn't want to be in Salem, MA today though.  All of the crazies come out on Halloween!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WAS A PLAYER on October 31, 2008, 06:39:49 PM
dblock, As the years pass I think it is tougher and tougher to predict the UAA. I'm not sure I agree with your comment about Chicago being the most fundamentally sound team in the league. Did you watch the Championship game. It was a clinic. Nobody came to double Ruths because they were afraid of the periimeter play and Thompson still got them for 19. I think  they will be fine offensively. I actually feel defense is the strength of Wash U and the absence of Ruths will be felt there. Also, I believe Chicago is the team that lost the POY so they must have more to replace than Wash U.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on November 01, 2008, 08:58:28 PM
Here's the thing about Troy Ruths: he was at his best when it mattered most. I do believe that D3 titles are won by big men, so DBlock is right that it will be difficult for Wash.U. to repeat. They play in an incredibly difficult region and one bounce the wrong way could send the team home in March. That said, I think Wash.U. will be equally good and probably better in the regular season than they have been in recent years. Tyler will have more room to slash and create his own shot, as will AT and Cam Smith. Additionally, the Bears are deeper than in years past. Spencer Gay will be a huge surprise this year, mark my words. Guys who got less time because of Ruths will also step up (Jon Wolff and a healthy Zach Kelly come to mind). This will be an exciting team to watch, one with more athletes and more basketball savvy than Wash.U. has seen in a long time. They will come out of the gate more prepared than usual and will not truly feel Ruths loss until the post-season. Even then I believe they can make a run and possibly repeat. I should note that this all hinges on Sean's return. If he comes back 100 percent, WUSTL will be a joy to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 02, 2008, 09:30:11 AM
One other aspect to Wash U's depth this year is Ross Kelly. Seems to me he has been a bit overlooked/under-recognized as an important part of this year's Wash U team given how he stepped up last year when he eventually became Wallis's replacment. And he did an outstanding job guarding Amherst's Andrew Olson in the championship game last March.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on November 02, 2008, 07:30:14 PM
Marty - I'm very optimistic regarding the return of Sean Wallis  -  the day I went in to get my Final Four tickets, I headed down to the gym to wish Coach Edwards good luck. There on the floor doing wind sprints and shooting jump shots under the head trainer's watchful eye was Sean Wallis - out ofshape from 4 months off, yes, but straight line running and doing a little jumping was doing fine.  If progress continued from that point in time, he'll be ready to go.

As for Ross Kelly, I wonder if at times Sean will move to 2, Aaron to 3 Tyler and Cam the 'big' men-  Yjak is right, Ross played so well in the final four last year, It's hard to imagine he won't find significant time this year....

I have liked Wolff too - a terrific leaper and rebounder, and though Gay got limited time last year, he came to Wash U with great High School credentials  ...  as for Zack Kelly, unless injury has been the problem, he's been a disappointment thus far....also Kaleb Knepper CONTRIBUTED in critical times last year.

How about the frosh from Florida - Jake Seymor-  I heard he's a good one - wonder if he made the varsity?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 03, 2008, 09:41:58 PM
Carnegie Mellon beat D2 Indiana University of PA this past weekend in exhibition play:

http://www.cmu.edu/athletics/intercollegiate-sports/mens-teams/basketball/news/2009/iup.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Frederic Weis on November 08, 2008, 04:44:16 PM
So I know that Rochester graduated 5 seniors, but everyone seems to be totally writing them off as not even being better than the lower part of the middle of the pack this year.  Do we know anything about any new Freshman/Transfers they have as if any of them are really solid, they could step right up this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 08, 2008, 05:05:56 PM
Quote from: Frederic Weis on November 08, 2008, 04:44:16 PM
So I know that Rochester graduated 5 seniors, but everyone seems to be totally writing them off as not even being better than the lower part of the middle of the pack this year.  Do we know anything about any new Freshman/Transfers they have as if any of them are really solid, they could step right up this year.

One transfer - a guard from Elon.  Good solid freshman class with some size.  Kaplan and Chmielowiec are the only seniors and only 3 juniors (transfer plus two with not much PT), 5 sophs and 5 freshman so they will be young.  On the plus side, the returning players spent a year playing against the seniors before they left.  First scrimmage, against LeMoyne, is tomorrow so they'll get to see how the parts fit.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 08, 2008, 09:28:00 PM
Rochester's biggest plus going into this season is that their coach is Mike Neer.  He always seems to get it done regardless of how experienced his players are.

I still feel like their ceiling will be 3rd or 4th in the conference.  That said, since there were 4 NCAA teams last year, that doesnt mean they cant be good, but I dont think they will be better than the teams at the top of the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 09, 2008, 01:10:08 AM
Wash U 91
Missouri-St Louis 90 (2 OT)

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/releases/mbk11-8-08.html


I took in the Wash U/UMSL game this evening in St. Louis...great college basketball game to watch.

First I should note that UMSL is not a very good D2 team.  They finished 10-17 last year, and 5-14 in the Great Lakes Valley Conference (one of the top D2 leagues).  They do not have a lot of size for a D2 team and they just don't have many "pure basketball players."  What they are is incredibly athletic though.  The Tritons would be a D3 Top 25 team - probably in the neighborhood of #15.  It's hard to even project how they compare to top D3 teams though because they are just not set up at all like a D3 team.

Wash U started:

G Sean Wallis (Sr), 6-2/185
G Aaron Thompson (Jr), 6-4/190
F Tyler Nading (Sr), 6-7/200
F Cameron Smith (Jr), 6-5/185
C Zach Kelly (Jr), 6-7/235

UMSL started:

G Jeremy Brown, 6-1
G Nathan Whittaker, 6-3
F Jason Black (Sr), 6-4
F Tim Green (Sr), 6-5
F Alex Jackson (Sr), 6-6

As you can see, this was not one of these exhibitions where the D3 team is giving up size at every position - Wash U was actually bigger at several spots.  UMSL also did not really have any good back-to-the-basket threats.  The "big guys" were slasher types.

The Bears controlled regulation, almost the whole way.  In the first half it was the Aaron Thompson show.  The 6-4 junior looks poised to have a monster season, scoring 19 in the 1st and 35 for the game.  Wash U did a great job of getting him great looks, and UMSL somehow kept losing the best shooter in the building, and Thompson went nuts.  His 35 could have been 45 easily...he rimmed out a bunch of 3's.

As is so often the case in these exhibitions, the lower division team, on the road, got jobbed by the officials.  Wash U fought a terrible whistle the entire game, but with 2:44 left, one young official did his best to actually just hand the game to the home team.  Coach Edwards was T'd up on one of the biggest B.S. T's I have ever seen.  That play helped UMSL get it to OT.

Looked like Wash U was in trouble in the first OT, down 6, but Thompson and Tyler Nading hit consecutive 3's to tie it.

UMSL led by 1 in double OT when Tyler Nading rebounded a Thompson 3 miss and put it back with :11 to play.  The Tritons missed about 3 shots around the basket in the final 5 seconds.

Aaron Thompson was outstanding on the night.  Tyler Nading was quiet for a longtime, but came alive in the OT's...18 pts and 6 rebounds.  Sean Wallis definitely looked like a guy trying to get his feet back under him.  He finished with 10 assists, but turned it over 6 times, went just 2-9 from the field, and missed the front end of a one-and-one with :15 left in regulation and the game tied.  He'll be fine.

Overall, I came away impressed with Wash U.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 09, 2008, 01:26:11 AM
Thoughts after this one exhibition game, for what it's worth...


Wash U positives:

1) Perimeter game.  The Bears have two players on the D3hoops.com preseason All-America team (point-guard Sean Wallis and wing Tyler Nading), and their best player might be shooting-guard Aaron Thompson.  Wash U's perimeter game is about as good as it gets.

2) Defense.  There are a lot of pretty good D3 teams that would have been lit up bad by UMSL.  Mark Edwards probably isn't happy with the way his team defended tonight, but considering the gap in athleticism and quickness, I thought the Bears did really well.  Wash U gets after it on defense.

3) Coaching.  Wash U is one the most well-coached teams you will find.  They just run their stuff so crisply.

4) Chemistry.  I saw Wash U's last 4 games of '07-08 (Sectional, Final Four) and it felt like tonight they just picked up right where they left off in March.  I figured they'd look a little "off" tonight, without Ruths.  They did not.  This is a veteran group that is very comfortable with each other.


Wash U negatives:

1) The center positon/low post game.  Replacing one of the best players in the country is hard, but Wash U seems to have a big hole in the middle.  I am not sold on that Zach Kelley/Tom Blount platoon at all.  In general, I'm not sure the Bears really have a legitimate, back-to-the-basket scoring threat...a consistent one at least.  I think they are going to have to stick 6-7 Nading down there quite a bit this year...they did a few times tonight.  We'll see how it develops, but until I see more out of the 5 and the low post, I don't view Wash U as a #1 team.  Top 10 - definitely.  Top 5 - maybe.  #1 - I'm not sure.  Lets see how the bigs do vs a D3 team -- the Augustana test right out of the gates will tell us a lot.

2) Depth (surprisingly).  Down the stretch of regulation and in 10 minutes of ovetime play, I don't think Coach Edwards substituted once.  He had the starters in there.  It was clear that at this very early stage of '08-09, those are the guys he trusts with the game on the line.  7 other Bears played and I do like Caleb Knepper, Ross Kelley (who was very good in Salem last year), and Dylan Richter, a freshman who will be a good player.  Will be interested to see how the rotation shapes up this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 09, 2008, 09:34:02 AM
Not sure if this has been mentioned here already, but Chicago has a D1 transfer this year - 6-9 F/C Joe Guiler from Colgate.

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/mensbasketball/mbk-roster0809.htm

http://www.gocolgateraiders.com/roster.asp?playerid=892&sport=2&path=mbball

http://patriotleague.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/122005aab.html

http://www.gocolgateraiders.com/sports/mbball/2008/TEAMCUME.HTM




Dec. 20, 2005

The Colgate University men's basketball program has signed two student-athletes to national letters of intent. The announcement was made by Raider head coach Emmett Davis.

Players announcing their plans to attend Colgate include Joe Guiler and Ben Jonson.

"One of our goals for this recruiting class was to bring in two talented inside players and another was to sign these players early," commented Davis. "I'm excited about the addition of Joe and Ben."

Guiler is a 6-9, 210-pound center-forward, who is playing at Johnstown Monroe High School in Johnstown, Ohio. During the 2004-05 season, he led his team to a 19-3 record, while averaging 11 points and 9.7 rebounds per game. They won the Mid-Buckeye Conference and Newark Sectional Championships.

He already holds records for career rebounds, blocks and field goal percentage. In addition, he was named first team Associated Press Division III all-state, Central District Division III Player of the Year, and first team all-Central District, all-District 11, Mid-Buckeye Conference and Newark Advocate.

Guiler chose the Raiders over Wofford, Western Carolina, Army, Navy, Canisius and Belmont.

"Joe is a long, lanky player whose best basketball is ahead of him," states Davis. "He's very skilled around the basket and has shown a knack to block and alter shots on the defensive end. He has the combination of high level academics and athletics that we look for in our student-athletes."

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 09, 2008, 10:38:02 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on November 09, 2008, 01:26:11 AM
I don't view Wash U as a #1 team.  Top 10 - definitely.  Top 5 - maybe.  #1 - I'm not sure.  Lets see how the bigs do vs a D3 team -- the Augustana test right out of the gates will tell us a lot.

The last two seasons Wash U has lost to Augustana early in the regular season and beat them in the NCAA tournament.

Thanks for all that great information. hopefan and I tried to find a way to make it to the game but schedules just wouldn't let it happen.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 09, 2008, 11:29:10 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on November 09, 2008, 10:38:02 AM
The last two seasons Wash U has lost to Augustana early in the regular season and beat them in the NCAA tournament.

Wash U and Augie did not face each other in the 2006-07 NCAA tournament - Augie bowed out early, losing to Carroll at home in Round 2.  Wash U went to the Final Four.

Keep in mind, in the last two Wash U/Augie early season games, the Bears were dealing with significant injuries.  Last year (neutral court), it was the first game after the Wallis injury...

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/mensbball/2007-08%20Statistics/game4.htm

The year before (at Augie), Wash U lost Danny O'Boyle to an achilles rupture during the game...

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/mensbball/2006-07%20Statistics/game4.htm


This year it appears both will be at full strength (knock on wood).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 09, 2008, 12:26:13 PM
My mistake, Titan Q. It's what happens when a guy my age tries to do things from memory instead of checking the facts.

I saw last year's Wash U-Augie regular season game. In spite of not having Wallis I heard a comment that Coach Edwards was not thrilled with his team's effort in that game. Someone said to him "you finished the game strong." His no excuses response was that they hadn't started the game strong.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: aronik53 on November 09, 2008, 07:11:04 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on November 08, 2008, 05:05:56 PM
Quote from: Frederic Weis on November 08, 2008, 04:44:16 PM
So I know that Rochester graduated 5 seniors, but everyone seems to be totally writing them off as not even being better than the lower part of the middle of the pack this year.  Do we know anything about any new Freshman/Transfers they have as if any of them are really solid, they could step right up this year.

One transfer - a guard from Elon.  Good solid freshman class with some size.  Kaplan and Chmielowiec are the only seniors and only 3 juniors (transfer plus two with not much PT), 5 sophs and 5 freshman so they will be young.  On the plus side, the returning players spent a year playing against the seniors before they left.  First scrimmage, against LeMoyne, is tomorrow so they'll get to see how the parts fit.

Any information on how the scrimmage went how anyone played?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 09, 2008, 07:48:32 PM
Quote from: aronik53 on November 09, 2008, 07:11:04 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on November 08, 2008, 05:05:56 PM
Quote from: Frederic Weis on November 08, 2008, 04:44:16 PM
So I know that Rochester graduated 5 seniors, but everyone seems to be totally writing them off as not even being better than the lower part of the middle of the pack this year.  Do we know anything about any new Freshman/Transfers they have as if any of them are really solid, they could step right up this year.

One transfer - a guard from Elon.  Good solid freshman class with some size.  Kaplan and Chmielowiec are the only seniors and only 3 juniors (transfer plus two with not much PT), 5 sophs and 5 freshman so they will be young.  On the plus side, the returning players spent a year playing against the seniors before they left.  First scrimmage, against LeMoyne, is tomorrow so they'll get to see how the parts fit.

Any information on how the scrimmage went how anyone played?

Some good things....some that need work.  UR jumped out to an 11-5 lead in the first of 3 20 minute periods.  LeMoyne woke up and went ahead 18-11 and won the period by 4-5.  Second period won by LeMoyne by 11 I believe and the third by LeMoyne by 4.

Positives - Chmielowiec can still shoot, Kaplan can still pass and the team still hustles.
Things that need work - rebounding & boxing out.  I know that things are going to be different without Oniyiruka and Ndubizu but this team is pretty small.

Freshman Nate Novosel from Lexington is a player.  6'5" and an offensive presence.  Started and played a lot of minutes against LeMoynes bigs.  Scored in the 16-20 point range. 

John Charlesworth, transfer from Elon is still fitting in, but nice handle, gets to the paint and can shoot from mid-range.

Labinowski was solid, Roberson is developing nicely inside, freshman big Williams will be a force pretty soon.

Freshman and sophs got bulk of PT in the third period and did very well.  Serle seems to have a nice stroke from 3, hitting a couple deep ones, and Martin and Dende both hit some shots.  And the Williams kid is LONG.  Should be a fun group to follow as they mature

LeMoyne is picked to finish in the middle of the 15 team NE10 (go figure) and have some pretty athletic kids, including pre-season All-American Ekperigin, and some nice size.  All in all not a terrible first scrimmage.  I think coach got a preety good idea of what he has and will fine tune some things before the scrimmage Friday at Brockport.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 12, 2008, 10:50:03 PM
'08-09 Preseason-Men Pts. UAA Overall
1. Washington 47 10-4 25-6
2. Chicago 43 11-3 18-8
3. Brandeis 39 10-4 23-6

4. Carnegie Mellon 28 6-8 19-9
5. Rochester 25 9-5 22-6
6. NYU 20 6-8 16-1

7. Emory 10 3-11 10-15
8. Case 9 1-13 8-17

Breaks down to three levels.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 13, 2008, 11:01:10 AM
Quote from: cwru70 on November 12, 2008, 10:50:03 PM
'08-09 Preseason-Men Pts. UAA Overall
1. Washington 47 10-4 25-6
2. Chicago 43 11-3 18-8
3. Brandeis 39 10-4 23-6

4. Carnegie Mellon 28 6-8 19-9
5. Rochester 25 9-5 22-6
6. NYU 20 6-8 16-1

7. Emory 10 3-11 10-15
8. Case 9 1-13 8-17

Breaks down to three levels.

That looks pretty reasonable.  I think it will be really tight among the top 3.  You could make an argument for Brandeis at 2, but I think the groupings are correct. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 13, 2008, 08:48:35 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on November 12, 2008, 10:50:03 PM
'08-09 Preseason-Men Pts. UAA Overall
1. Washington 47 10-4 25-6
2. Chicago 43 11-3 18-8
3. Brandeis 39 10-4 23-6

4. Carnegie Mellon 28 6-8 19-9
5. Rochester 25 9-5 22-6
6. NYU 20 6-8 16-1

7. Emory 10 3-11 10-15
8. Case 9 1-13 8-17

Breaks down to three levels.

Also, those vote totals dont make sense (im not saying this is your fault cwru70).  I know that each coach ranks the 7 other teams in the conference (cant vote for yourself) and they are given points in decreasing amounts from 7 yo 1 (28 points * 8 coaches = 224 points total).  However, all the votes in the reported list only add up 221.  There is something wrong at the bottom of the list for sure. If Case was # 8 with 9 points that means they got 5 last place votes and 2 second to last place votes (5*1+2*2=9).  However, if this is true, it is impossible for emory to have only 10 points.  The least they could have is the 3 remaining last place votes + 4 second to last place points, meaning they would have 3*1+4*2 = 11.  I dont know if they allowed ties and then truncated numbers resulting in the 3 lost points, but in any case that doesnt make a whole lot of sense.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 13, 2008, 09:32:54 PM
I didn't have time to check the totals.  They had the football points wrong for awhile too.  Just checked UAA's site, the numbers are the same.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 13, 2008, 10:59:27 PM
I had double checked the numbers also.  You had them as reported, but what is reported seems to be wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on November 15, 2008, 04:39:55 PM
WUSTL cruises in its opener against North Park...86-64 win with Wallis going for 20, 5 boards, and 4 assists...tops in all three categories for a very balanced Bears offense...anyone still questioning his readiness?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on November 15, 2008, 05:21:38 PM
Reasonable minutes for several players off the bench.  WashU wins big on day that Nading and Thompson didn't really light it up.  Glad to Sean get out of the block well.  This will do wonders for his confidence. Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on November 15, 2008, 10:13:09 PM
Edgewood Defeats Chicago?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 15, 2008, 10:16:55 PM
Quote from: fcnews on November 15, 2008, 10:13:09 PM
Edgewood Defeats Chicago?

Wow.

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/mensbasketball/uc-edgem.htm
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 16, 2008, 09:11:33 PM
What a horrific start for Chicago.  A day after losing to Edgewood (13-13 last year), they lose to Illinois Tech, who was 5-26 last year and lost to Kenyon in the first round of the tourney.  Oh, by the way, in case you think IIT is any better than they were last year, they are currently 1-3, on the young season, with losses at home to Waldorf College and Grace College.  Chicago is either missing players, or they may just be really bad.  This is unbelievable for a team that was picked to finish 2nd in the UAA in the preseason by the UAA coaches.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on November 16, 2008, 09:18:15 PM
Looks like Chicago played the Ill. Tech game with out Corning, regardless I still expected them to SCRAPE I Tech.

Anyway...

Just got back from the Kean University Rock Classic. NYU comes away with to good wins. The first against the University of Redlands, NYU shook off some jitters and some bad post defense to come away with a 69-60 win. (Redlands played Clarion University [D2] and lost on 2 FT's with 3 seconds to go) Sunday's matchup featured an athletic Kean University team fresh off an opening night win over Clarion, versus NYU. NYU came out slow falling to a 18-9 deficit but eventually turned the heat on finishing with a 65-49 win. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 16, 2008, 09:33:37 PM
Quote from: dblock on November 16, 2008, 09:18:15 PM
Looks like Chicago played the Ill. Tech game with out Corning, regardless I still expected them to SCRAPE I Tech.

Corning played.

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/mensbasketball/ucm-iit.htm
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on November 16, 2008, 09:55:53 PM
WUSTL cruises again, taking an 82-64 win in the final of Colorado College's tournament. Aaron Thompson goes for 31 points in a tune-up for the huge showdown coming up with number two Augustana. Should be a classic. I only wish I could be in attendance...

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 16, 2008, 10:08:52 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on November 16, 2008, 09:55:53 PM
WUSTL cruises again, taking an 82-64 win in the final of Colorado College's tournament. Aaron Thompson goes for 31 points in a tune-up for the huge showdown coming up with number two Augustana. Should be a classic. I only wish I could be in attendance...

I wish I could see this one too.  Based on what I saw from Wash U in the UMSL exhibition (and what I know about Augustana), I think the Bears are going to have huge problems with Augie's long, athletic 4/5 guys (Collins, Bertrand).  Wash U is extremely unathletic at the 5 spot.  Also, Augie is always one of the best perimeter defensive teams around - the Vikings should be able to at least make Wash U work very hard to run their offense.  Thompson, Wallis, and Nading will all do damage I'm sure, but it won't be easy.

Augie played its opener without returning 1st Team All-CCIW performer, and preseason All-American, Brett Wessels.  They struggled to beat Simpson.  Word is that he will probably miss the Wash U game - that's big.  The good news for Augie is that 2006-07 star Jordan Delp is now back after missing most of last year with a ruptured achilles.  He basically plays the same position as Wessels - the 2 or 3.

Should be a good one.  I feel like Augustana should win the game.

Here is the box from Wash U's OT win in the NCAA tournament last year:

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/mensbball/2007-08%20Statistics/game27.htm
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2008, 04:36:25 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on November 16, 2008, 09:11:33 PM
What a horrific start for Chicago.  A day after losing to Edgewood (13-13 last year), they lose to Illinois Tech, who was 5-26 last year and lost to Kenyon in the first round of the tourney.  Oh, by the way, in case you think IIT is any better than they were last year, they are currently 1-3, on the young season, with losses at home to Waldorf College and Grace College.  Chicago is either missing players, or they may just be really bad.  This is unbelievable for a team that was picked to finish 2nd in the UAA in the preseason by the UAA coaches.

Throw out Edgewood's record from last year, as this is a completely revamped lineup that features almost exclusively freshmen and sophomores. In a sense that made Saturday's upset even worse for the Maroons, although Edgewood is an undeniably talented team for all its youthfulness. The IIT loss I just can't understand at all (I watched Saturday's games, didn't get to see Sunday's games), as the Scarlet Hawks are only marginally better than their usual twenty-losses-per-year calling card. I don't ever remember seeing a Chicago team shoot so poorly -- 22-69 (.319) overall and 7-36 (.194) from downtown -- and I've seen a lot of Chicago basketball over the years, both good and bad. The fact that it was against their hoops-challenged neighbors from three miles to the north makes it even more mystifying.

The Maroons aren't missing players. They're just playing really, really poor defense right now, and I think that they're still trying to sort out offensive roles in the wake of Nate Hainje's graduation. Jake Pancratz is trying to do too much; Adam Machones is still figuring how how much more he needs to assert himself than he did last season; and Matt Corning, to be honest, isn't getting the calls when he posts up against weaker guards and tries to power his way to the rim. John Kinsella was the best player on the floor for Chicago on Saturday evening, but I see from the box score that he couldn't make a shot against IIT, either. Depth is not an issue, though; Mike McGrath really likes his freshman class, and he showed this weekend that he isn't afraid to use his plebes even when he's behind on the scoreboard.

I think that this was just an opening-weekend hiccup, and the Maroons will round into shape by January. But Wednesday's game at Ratner against Augie could be a real struggle for Chicago, Brett Wessels or no Brett Wessels.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on November 17, 2008, 10:25:20 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on November 16, 2008, 09:33:37 PM
Quote from: dblock on November 16, 2008, 09:18:15 PM
Looks like Chicago played the Ill. Tech game with out Corning, regardless I still expected them to SCRAPE I Tech.

Corning played.

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/mensbasketball/ucm-iit.htm

my bad, completely didn't see his name on the boxscore the first time I read it
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WAS A PLAYER on November 17, 2008, 03:05:43 PM
There have been a couple of box scores totally messed up. UC had players I have never heard of, I believe they had Corning in there as someone else. The Wash U box score had someone scoring that didn't even go on the trip to Denver. Still, exciting to get the season underway. My guess UC comes ready to play against Augie.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 17, 2008, 11:42:44 PM
Looks like CWRU has a long way to go.  Lost 80-68 to Baldwin-Wallace a mid-pack OAC team.  Three newcomers made significant impact.  Reid Anderson scored 22, Bryan Erce scored 10 and lead in boards with 8, and freshman Tom Summers netted 5 boards in just 11 minutes.  Herring was second in scoring with 18, but was only 1-5 in 3 pointers.  I'm hopeful for improvement as the newcomer and vets have more time together.  Skuski was in foul trouble early and only played 12 mins.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 18, 2008, 01:32:16 AM
Quote from: WAS A PLAYER on November 17, 2008, 03:05:43 PM
There have been a couple of box scores totally messed up. UC had players I have never heard of, I believe they had Corning in there as someone else.

No, both of the Chicago boxes are correct. The players you have never heard of are the freshmen that I mentioned last night. Their names are Chase Davis, Matt Johnson, and Michael Sustarsic. Joe Guiler, the 6'9 transfer from Colgate, played in Sunday's game but not Saturday's. And the Corning stat lines in both games were correct as well.

Quote from: WAS A PLAYER on November 17, 2008, 03:05:43 PMThe Wash U box score had someone scoring that didn't even go on the trip to Denver.

That doesn't surprise me in the least. I posted a long diatribe in CCIW Chat about the terrible job that the Colorado College Stat Crew operator did this past weekend -- four NPU players who didn't make the trip got entered into the box score by the Stat Crew guy, and the Colorado College people sent a box on Saturday night to NPU that had the game score wrong and the play-by-play score wrong -- and they didn't even match each other.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on November 18, 2008, 05:56:31 AM
I believe WashU now has a corrected box score posted on their website from the Saturday game versus North Park (corrected for WashU at least).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dansand on November 18, 2008, 09:16:07 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 18, 2008, 01:32:16 AM
Quote from: WAS A PLAYER on November 17, 2008, 03:05:43 PM
There have been a couple of box scores totally messed up. UC had players I have never heard of, I believe they had Corning in there as someone else.

No, both of the Chicago boxes are correct. The players you have never heard of are the freshmen that I mentioned last night. Their names are Chase Davis, Matt Johnson, and Michael Sustarsic. Joe Guiler, the 6'9 transfer from Colgate, played in Sunday's game but not Saturday's. And the Corning stat lines in both games were correct as well.


I think this was probably the box that WAS A PLAYER saw. It has several of the Edgewood players playing for Chicago.

http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Basketball/08_09_statcrew_BK_files/MBK%20Html/UC-EDGEM.HTM (http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Basketball/08_09_statcrew_BK_files/MBK%20Html/UC-EDGEM.HTM)

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 18, 2008, 09:50:26 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on November 16, 2008, 10:08:52 PM
Wash U is extremely unathletic at the 5 spot. 

Would you please define "athletic" for me, or explain what you mean by it in this context. I'm not questioning the correctness of your observation above. However, I think I have seen lots of basketball players who might not be described as "athletic" but who still can accomplish a lot on the court and are better than players who appear more athletic.

You may not remember this, but I met you once when I was at a Wash U game with hopefan and I recall you saying that Wash U's team was "non-athletic". I'm not sure what season it was, but I believe it was early in the season two seasons ago when they made their first trip to the Final Four. I do not intend this as a criticism nor do I want to start an argument. I'm just curious as to how you see your definition of athletic translate into players with that quality being better basketball players than ones without it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 18, 2008, 12:34:19 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on November 18, 2008, 09:50:26 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on November 16, 2008, 10:08:52 PM
Wash U is extremely unathletic at the 5 spot. 

Would you please define "athletic" for me, or explain what you mean by it in this context. I'm not questioning the correctness of your observation above. However, I think I have seen lots of basketball players who might not be described as "athletic" but who still can accomplish a lot on the court and are better than players who appear more athletic.

You may not remember this, but I met you once when I was at a Wash U game with hopefan and I recall you saying that Wash U's team was "non-athletic". I'm not sure what season it was, but I believe it was early in the season two seasons ago when they made their first trip to the Final Four. I do not intend this as a criticism nor do I want to start an argument. I'm just curious as to how you see your definition of athletic translate into players with that quality being better basketball players than ones without it.

That is a good question, because I think the word "athletic" gets used in different contexts quite a bit in basketball conversations.  When I use that term as it applies to a basketball player, I am referring to some combination of:

* "Basketball coordination" (not sure how else to say that)
* Leaping ability (not just pure vertical leaping, but how a player uses his ability to jump effectively)
* Ability to move effectively on the court, relative to position played (not using the words "speed" or "quickness", because that is not what I mean)


Believe me, I am right with you when you say, "I have seen lots of basketball players who might not be described as 'athletic' but who still can accomplish a lot on the court and are better than players who appear more athletic."  I watched Dennie Bridges-coached IWU teams win CCIW titles, and a national title, with kids who played "below the rim", but were just simply great basketball players.  Sometimes I'll hear people refer to a lot of those former Bridges players as "unathletic" and will strongly disagree.  Most people use the word "athletic" to primarily refer to leaping ability, and I do not.  Again, I think athleticism also has to do with what I called "basketball coordination" (for lack of a better term) and how well a player moves on the floor.  Was Troy Ruths a great leaper?  No.  Was he "athletic"?  Absolutely.

Regarding my comment about Wash U early in 2006-07 (and yes, I remember sitting with you guys), I made that after watching the Bears look awful vs Pomona Pitzer for a half.  The Bears got beat down the floor regularly, got out-jumped for rebounds, and just generally looked "unathletic" (at least as I define it).  It wasn't until the 2nd half of that game, when Wash U started playing hard, and then the next few times I saw that Bears team play that I realized I was wrong - Ruths, Nading, Thompson & Co. certainly where athletic.  I mistook a lack of hustle for lack of athleticism.

About my comment about the center spot on this Wash U team (and to be clear, that is absolutely the only spot I think the Bears are "unathletic"), I think Wash U's two 5's (starter Zack Kelly and reserve Tom Blount) do not run the floor well, don't have a high degree of "basketball coordination", and cannot jump.  Augustana's starting posts, Justin Bertrand and Chandlor Collins, both do all of those things very well.  I think it will hurt Wash U on both ends of the floor - I see Bertrand and Collins dominating the boards and making it hard for Wash U to score in the low post.

Just my take.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on November 18, 2008, 12:39:01 PM
I wrote this about two hours ago but neglected to post - it very much paraphrases what TQ wrote...

I don't have time to contribute in depth, but the athleticism remark is worth discussing - Troy Ruths was an athlete - strong, could jump, good speed up and down the court for his size...  Wash U's current 5's could not compete in 'athletic testing' with a Troy Ruths - limited speed or quickness, limited jumping ability.  I wouldn't even define Sean Wallis or Tyler Nading as great athletes - but before someone jumps on that - athleticism can be opposed by two things - individual smarts, and outstanding coaching leading to team play- Wash U's Nading and Wallis benefit from both, and consequently can in many instances outplay an individual who may be quicker, jump higher, have superior individual moves.  It's moving without the ball, getting position on their opponent around the court, know when to use a quick burst - that makes the difference.  When you have a guy like Troy Ruths who combines all of the above at the D3 level, you have an All American.....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 18, 2008, 01:35:25 PM
Thanks TitanQ and hopefan, I think we are all on the same page. And for what it's worth, I was defining athletic (or perhaps better put, athletic looking in the basketball context) as someone who can run fast, jump high and is smooth and graceful in their movements. But if a player with those qualities can't dribble well, can't put the ball in the basket or hold on to a pass or a rebound, then they aren't much use.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 18, 2008, 11:02:48 PM
Brandeis goes down tonight to Laselle 68-66. Bad start for the UAA this year out of conference. 2 teams (WhashU and NYU) have 2 wins each and no one else has a win yet on the season (CMU and Rochester have not played yet). 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2008, 11:59:54 PM
Write-up -- Lasell 68-66 (http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=2v4mojj2hnr62a00)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on November 19, 2008, 09:40:05 AM
That result certainly shocked me and since I was not at the game I can only assume two things..with a good chunk of the starters and key players gone from last year's squad and deluca back for his first game in a year...first game jitters and all that comes with it, was more prevelant here than usual. Also being a repeat of the first round NCAA game the Brandeis won...but this time at Lasell, the Lasers really wanted it more. I think that things will start to come into their own....New starting PG, Hollins having to play a new role, DeLuca back in the mix and a foot longer 3 pointer...it may be a rusty start but by UAA play (hopefully way earlier) the team will be back to their winning ways. Personally I'd rather have a rough start and great finish then the other way around (see Williams 2007-2008 season).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 19, 2008, 10:50:25 AM
Quote from: ILive4This on November 19, 2008, 09:40:05 AM
That result certainly shocked me and since I was not at the game I can only assume two things..with a good chunk of the starters and key players gone from last year's squad and deluca back for his first game in a year...first game jitters and all that comes with it, was more prevelant here than usual. Also being a repeat of the first round NCAA game the Brandeis won...but this time at Lasell, the Lasers really wanted it more. I think that things will start to come into their own....New starting PG, Hollins having to play a new role, DeLuca back in the mix and a foot longer 3 pointer...it may be a rusty start but by UAA play (hopefully way earlier) the team will be back to their winning ways. Personally I'd rather have a rough start and great finish then the other way around (see Williams 2007-2008 season).

The problem with a rough start is that the conference looks weak and then you are at risk of only getting one or two into the NCAAs (2004 and 2005 seasons come to mind).  Even if you play extremely well at the end, you are only beating up on other UAA teams so if you dont win the conference, you get a sweet consolation prize of playing in the ECAC.  The UAA really needs to start winning games out of conference rigth away, they cant afford to ease into the season.  Their out of conference record is the reason they have been so successful the last couple of years in getting teams into NCAAs (4 last year).  Chicago's two losses are honestly an embarassment to the league for a team picked to finish 2nd in the UAA and Brandeis opening with a loss doesnt help either.  Brandeis still has a lot of tough games to redeem themselves (at WPI, UMD, Tufts, RIC, at Amherst) but if they slip up in a few of those games, all of a sudden your 6-5 or 7-4 out of conference and that is not so great, considering that I doubt anybody (besides maybe WashU) will win more than 10 games in conference.  You add that up and its an 8-10 loss season and you end up hosting a game in the ECAC tourney (Just ask last year's carnegie mellon team).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on November 19, 2008, 12:03:55 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on November 19, 2008, 10:50:25 AM

The problem with a rough start is that the conference looks weak and then you are at risk of only getting one or two into the NCAAs (2004 and 2005 seasons come to mind).  Even if you play extremely well at the end, you are only beating up on other UAA teams so if you dont win the conference, you get a sweet consolation prize of playing in the ECAC.  The UAA really needs to start winning games out of conference rigth away, they cant afford to ease into the season.  Their out of conference record is the reason they have been so successful the last couple of years in getting teams into NCAAs (4 last year).  Chicago's two losses are honestly an embarassment to the league for a team picked to finish 2nd in the UAA and Brandeis opening with a loss doesnt help either.  Brandeis still has a lot of tough games to redeem themselves (at WPI, UMD, Tufts, RIC, at Amherst) but if they slip up in a few of those games, all of a sudden your 6-5 or 7-4 out of conference and that is not so great, considering that I doubt anybody (besides maybe WashU) will win more than 10 games in conference.  You add that up and its an 8-10 loss season and you end up hosting a game in the ECAC tourney (Just ask last year's carnegie mellon team).

2008 Carnegie Mellon isn't exactly a good example, because they were 7-0 in regional games out of conference and 6-8 in the UAA. In other words, they started fast and hit the wall in UAA play. On 1/13, they were 7-1 in region and the #8 team in the country in selection criteria.

In 2006, the UAA only got one bid despite having the best non-conference record in the country. That was frankly due to the schools beating themselves up inside the conference. WashU went 14-6, 9-5 and just missed a bid (which they would have gotten if they beat Chicago on the final day). NYU was 17-7, 7-7 and Rochester was 13-8, 7-7, while Chicago was 12-8, 8-6. These schools missed the tournament primarily because of their UAA losses. If NYU, WashU, and Rochester had won one more game, there could have been four UAA schools in the tournament instead of just Carnegie Mellon.


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: scottiedawg on November 19, 2008, 08:47:47 PM
At halftime:
Augustana 29
Chicago 25

Augie:
Collins: 8,7
Delp: 7
Washington: 6

Chicago:
Corning: 10, 5
Kinsella: 5
WatsonL 4
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: scottiedawg on November 19, 2008, 09:29:25 PM
55 all with 64 seconds left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: scottiedawg on November 19, 2008, 09:38:17 PM
Final:
Augie defeats Chicago 58-57 on a Jordan Delp basket with two seconds left.
Tough start for Chicago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 20, 2008, 02:33:18 AM
I've got a writeup on the Augie @ Chicago game in CCIW Chat.

Tough start for Chicago, yeah, but the Maroons are improving. I think that they'll be good to go by the time January rolls around.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pradam on November 20, 2008, 12:06:44 PM
I wasn't at the Lasell game, so I can't tell you if this cost them for sure, but I don't get why the Brandeis coaches insist on marginalizing Terrell Hollins.  The dude was a second-team all-league guy last year despite averaging only 24 minutes a game, and yet he played fewer minutes than Christian Yemga and Kenny Small. 

It's overcoaching at the highest level, particularly against a Lasell team that isn't particularly strong inside.  Here's a novel idea: play your best guys the most minutes.  There's no reason DeLuca and Hollins can't play well together.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on November 20, 2008, 04:37:04 PM
Quote from: pradam on November 20, 2008, 12:06:44 PM
There's no reason DeLuca and Hollins can't play well together.

unless the coaches, who see them play everyday in practice, have decided that they do not play well together.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 20, 2008, 05:41:33 PM
Here are some of my thoughts on Tuesday night's Brandeis v Lasell game, and I did attend the game:

(1)  Some people seem to think that Terrell Hollins may be better off in the starting lineup playing along side Steve DeLuca rather than coming off the bench.  However, in the Brandeis Hoot, coach Meehan said it best:  What happens if Terrell Hollins starts and picks up 2 quick fouls 4 or 5 minutes into his shift like he had a tendency to do last year?   Brandeis may actually be better off having a guy like Hollins as a 6th man playing against 2nd line players on other teams who won't have a tendency to put Hollins into foul trouble early-- you want to put Hollins in a situation where he can maximize his output every game.

(2)  Here is a message for the Lasell athletic department:  Please upgrade your facility on at least a technological aspect so that someone can do video and/or audio webcasts and do live stats of your home games.  WBRS FM really wanted to at least audiocast the game, but Lasell did not have the technology for the radio station to come in and do it.  Lasell has a very small gym-- the seating capacity is even smaller than Memorial Hall at Plattsburgh State University-- at best you can seat about 300 people at the basketball court level and put about another 300 people standing room only on the upper track level to look down upon the court-- assuming of course,  the standing room goes about 2 to 3 deep on all 4 sides of the upper level.   Lasell placed the total attendance of Tuesday's game at 812, and you could not fit any more people in there.  Lasell had to use its entire campus police force inside the gym just to provide security for the game.  As for restrooms on the upstairs level for spectators, the men's public restroom only had 1 toilet.  Period.

(3)  For the Lasell fans, the beneft of having that small of a gym is that it gets extra loud when the fans are really into the game.  There were about 200 die-hard Brandeis fans in the gym, and the rest of the crowd was the Lasell faithful.  The cheers from the Lasell faithful on the upstairs track had the effect of drowning out the cheers from the "Brandeis Jury" on court level.

(4)  The graduation of the 6 seniors from last year's Brandeis team really had an impact on the defensive intensity of the Judges-- and coach Meehan admitted as much in interviews with the Brandeis Hoot and the Justice.  This was apparent in the game on Tuesday.  While Brandeis did its job in containing the top 2 returning Lasell players from last year, Lasell's Junior Sandoval, one of the new starters for the Lasers, scored a career high 23 points for the game on 7 of 10 from 3 pt. land.  Mr. Sandoval only made 15 of 48 from 3 pt. land for the Lasers all of last season while coming off the bench.   In addition, both the Brandeis and Lasell fans were fired up coming into the game, and it got testy trying to work with Lasell security so that both groups of fans could enjoy the game without suffering the indignity of some of us getting kicked out of the building for excessive rowdiness. 

(5)  Lasell really publicized this game on its campus as a "revenge match" for the Lasers coming into the opener.  This was the first game for the Lasers since Brandeis beat them in the NCAA tournament-- thereby giving it the feel of resuming a series after a several month break. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 20, 2008, 08:10:02 PM
CMU leads Westminster 34-23 at the half.  CMU was up a bit more but gave up a small run at the end of the half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 20, 2008, 09:19:09 PM
CMU holds on 70-65, overcoming extremely poor shooting in the second half.  They had lots of chances to make this one not so close but couldnt make many shots.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pradam on November 20, 2008, 09:36:46 PM
Quote from: dblock on November 20, 2008, 04:37:04 PM
Quote from: pradam on November 20, 2008, 12:06:44 PM
There's no reason DeLuca and Hollins can't play well together.

unless the coaches, who see them play everyday in practice, have decided that they do not play well together.

Alright, fine, let me amend that statement.  There's no reason that makes sense to me why they can't play well together.  And saying "the coaches said so, so it must be true" strikes me as a pretty lame copout, because then what's the point of questioning anything they do?

I know why the coaches think it'll work.  As a Justice editor, my reporters and I talk to them all the time.  My reporter heard that explanation with his own two ears.  Players have explained it to me.  And I still don't think it makes sense.

Alan, first of all, good to talk to you in a venue other than right before last year's Amherst game, where it's way too loud to hear each other.  Everybody I talk to references Hollins' foul issues, but I don't really get where it comes from.  Last year, Hollins averaged 2.3 fouls per game in about 24 minutes per game.  Per-minute, that amounts to less than 4 fouls per 40 minutes.  By comparison, Steve Hill, the other starter, averaged 2.9 fouls in 23 minutes per game. Hill had a higher foul rate, yet Hollins is the one tagged with the foul-prone label?  Sure, there were some games, like the first Rochester one if memory serves me, where Hollins got into foul trouble, but more often than not, they took him out of the game early just because (the Chicago game at Brandeis is the best example.  Brandeis was something like -13 when Hollins was out of the game, and Terrell wasn't struggling with fouls).  

All of the above can be argued, but it's harder to argue that Hollins wasn't a huge part of that team's success.  Because of his scoring and passing ability, Brandeis could actually run a coherent offensive set without DeLuca.  Hollins was also Brandeis' best rebounder.  (He grabbed 8 in 17 minutes Tuesday).  Without Terrell Hollins, Brandeis doesn't get anywhere close to the Elite 8.  And now, the goal is to limit his minutes?  That's why I said it's overcoaching.  There may be several logical reasons to keep Terrell on the bench, but the fact that Hollins was one of their instrumental players last year (both individually and for the team) is enough for me.  He and DeLuca can figure out how to co-exist.

In your own words, Hollins could "maximize his output every game" if he played against second-line players.  First of all, the same could be theoretically true for any player, so why does Hollins get special mention?  Second of all, how is Hollins going to get into a rhythm when he's playing fewer minutes?  Not to mention, those minutes are spaced out and erratic.  When Hollins gets into a rhythm, nobody can stop him inside.  Not even first-line guys.  Just look at what he did last year.  His production did not change against top of the line teams.  In fact, often times, it got better.  When you commit to him being the guy that destroys other teams' second units, you're committing to playing him fewer minutes because starters play more than reserves.  And it makes no sense to play your second-best player fewer minutes.
 
The starting thing isn't the end of the world -- though when you commit to not starting a guy, that's four minutes right there he's not helping you in any way.  If you want to bring him in for some sort of vaguely-defined "energy boost," then whatever.  But 17 minutes?  Terrell Hollins had 0 fouls Tuesday.  He's a second-team all-league guy and would have been first-team if he got more than 24 minutes a game last year.  Why play him less than half the game?  If he misses the first four minutes and still gets 30 a contest, I'm not upset.  Even 24 is manageable for me, because of all of Brandeis' talent up front.  But 17 minutes is pretty ridiculous, particularly against a team that's small like Lasell.  

I realize this is how Brandeis played two years ago, which is something their manager told me when I asked him about Terrell's minutes.  But Terrell's much better than he was then, as last year proved.  It's not two years ago.  I also hear a lot about Terrell's lack of conditioning, which is obviously something the coaches know better than me, but I also never noticed Terrell's production falling off late in games last year.  

(By the way, I don't think Brandeis lost because of their defense.  68 points in a fast-paced game isn't so terrible.  Neither is allowing some guy who wasn't much of a shooter last year to hit 7 of 10 threes.  Sometimes, you force the ball to who you want and they just have a hot shooting night.  I think they lost because of their offense.  They didn't shoot particularly well, didn't establish the post game and didn't punish Lasell inside like they did in the 08 tourney.  That's what everyone's told me.  And that's another reason why I'm peeved that Terrell only played 17 minutes).  
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 20, 2008, 10:17:48 PM
I think its going to take Brandeis some time to mesh.  They definitely have the talent, but they may not get it going for a while.  They have another tough test this saturday against WPI, who beat RIC (ranked #16 last week) on the road tonight.

On the other hand, if WPI takes out RIC and Brandeis (#9) in the same week, they may vault themselves into the top 25 (0 votes last week). 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 21, 2008, 03:45:13 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on November 20, 2008, 05:41:33 PM(2)  Here is a message for the Lasell athletic department:  Please upgrade your facility on at least a technological aspect so that someone can do video and/or audio webcasts and do live stats of your home games.  WBRS FM really wanted to at least audiocast the game, but Lasell did not have the technology for the radio station to come in and do it.  Lasell has a very small gym-- the seating capacity is even smaller than Memorial Hall at Plattsburgh State University-- at best you can seat about 300 people at the basketball court level and put about another 300 people standing room only on the upper track level to look down upon the court-- assuming of course,  the standing room goes about 2 to 3 deep on all 4 sides of the upper level.   Lasell placed the total attendance of Tuesday's game at 812, and you could not fit any more people in there.  Lasell had to use its entire campus police force inside the gym just to provide security for the game.  As for restrooms on the upstairs level for spectators, the men's public restroom only had 1 toilet.  Period.

Allen, be fair. Lasell College has an endowment of $12,500,000. That's chicken feed, although Lasell is by no means the poorest school in D3. Schools that have such limited financial resources have to make do with what they've got; deferred maintenance is usually a bigger concern than expansion or facilities upgrades. Also, Lasell has almost no history of intercollegiate sports. It was a women's junior college for almost the entirety of its history; it didn't become a four-year school until 1989, and it didn't admit men until the 1997-98 school year (Lasell is still best known for its fashion design major). It's basically a school that started from scratch very recently as far as intercollegiate sports are concerned.

(Having once dated a Lasell alumna, I have a bit of insight into that school's situation.)

You're an alumnus of Brandeis, a school that has an endowment of almost $700,000,000. You're used to all the amenities that a D3 school can offer. The Brandeis athletic department is reflective of this; the Judges have had perhaps their greatest success in fencing, a sport that rivals equestrian as the most elitist of intercollegiate sports (only thirteen D3 schools have fencing programs, and most of those thirteen schools are extremely wealthy). How about a little understanding for the institutional underdogs that have holes in their pockets and eat beans out of the can cooked over a Sterno flame? ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 21, 2008, 06:23:20 AM
Greg--

I know that Lasell is not a well-endowed school.  What I was thinking of is that relative to 5 or 10 years ago,  web cameras are relatively cheap, a service like Ustream or EZStream is very easy to get a subscription on, (for free or for a relatively low cost per event) and laptops can come with wireless or portable broadband modem subscriptions (a/k/a Verizon) to access the Internet easily these days-- the gym would not necessarily have to be hard-wired for Internet access to be available these days-- nor would the set-up costs be that expensive.  It is indeed very possible (with the research) for at least a video feed of the event (w/out even the benefit of audio) to be sent out at a very low cost for the home institution.  (I believe that EZStream only charges at most $30 in webcast fees for 1 single event.)  I think that live coverage of the big events for a small school such as Lasell would be well worth the cost required-- especially if Lasell wants to play against nationally ranked powers from outside New England, but even for home games for Lasell with opponents like WPI, RI College, Keene State, UMass-Dartmouth, Amherst and the rest of the NESCAC schools.  (I am also thinking in the sense that I can now watch videocasts of some d3 home basketball and/or soccer games live where a public state school such as Keene State or RI College is the home team.)

I was expressing my rant out of my frustration that there were a lot more fans on both sides who wanted to see the Brandeis at Lasell rematch than could possibly fit into that gym.  I was also trying to think about the alums of both institutions as well as those following D3Hoops on a national basis throughout the country.  Rationally, I am glad to see people like Greg who sympathize with Lasell's situation and were willing to wait until the end of the game for a post-game play-by-play report.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 21, 2008, 11:08:49 PM
CMU wins their second game of the seaon 90-77 over Wesley.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 22, 2008, 09:28:13 PM
Brandeis was unfortunately handled today by WPI.  It was a close first half but WPI increased the spread early in the second half and kept it that way.

Case was beat pretty bad at home by Bluffton (70-48). So much for Case turning it around right away.  I guess the good karma the football team has built up is not rubbing off as expected. (The CWRU football team was also handed their first loss of the season today, in the first round of NCAAs).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on November 22, 2008, 11:05:41 PM
WU beats no.2 Augie in 2OT's 87-82. Thompson leads Bears with 26. Are there STILL doubters? Oh and Zach Kely goes for 18 and 10, perhaps putting some of the fears about Wash.U.'s post play to rest. This is a gutsy and deep Wash.U. team. They have a real chance to repeat.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 22, 2008, 11:48:12 PM
Some thoughts from tonight:

(1)  Congratulations to the Wash U Bears on their impressive victory tonight at Augustana.   Also, great props to Chicago for playing Augustana tough a few days ago. 

(2)  As for Brandeis,  it seems so far that the experiment of playing Terrell Hollins off the bench is hurting Hollins and the team more than it is helping.  Of course, with the way the refs were calling fouls in the Brandeis v WPI match, it may not have mattered tonight whether Terrell Hollins was starting or was playing off the bench.  Brandeis as a team was whistled for 32 fouls, with Kenny Small and Terrell Hollins fouling out, while WPI as a team was whistled for 23 fouls.  Obviously, both WPI and Brandeis were playing aggressive defense, but if the refs are calling both teams for a combined 55 fouls, something is up-- either the refs did not really make terrific calls tonight, or the teams were not adjusting their games to the officiating.

Anyway, if anyone thought that Terrell Hollins's stat line from the Lasell game was ugly, his stat line from the WPI game seems uglier.  Terrell Hollins comes off the bench around the 15 min mark of the first half, and gets whistled for 2 quick fouls before the 10 min mark of the first half, thereby forcing him to the bench.  Hollins picks up Foul #3 with 17:47 to go in the game, Foul #4 with 9:31 to go, and he fouls out with 4:25 to go in regulation.  (FYI, I attended the Brandeis women's game tonight, but I had my laptop with me-- the women's game ended before the men's game, so I was able to follow the remainder of the men's game.)

Stat line for Hollins:  3 pts, 6 turnovers in 12 min of action. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 23, 2008, 12:04:04 AM
As I said, the key to stopping Wash U is containing Zack Kelly...and it looks like Augustana did not do that tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on November 23, 2008, 08:00:45 AM
From the sounds of it on the broadcast, it was quite a game in Rock Island last night. Kind of strange following it on the broadcast and live stats, as live stats would occasionally be well ahead of the broadcast and occasionally somewhat behind.

Some thoughts on a couple of points raised in the down time of the broadcast.

One is that Augustana would have a tougher league schedule ahead of them because the CCIW is deeper than the UAA at the bottom; in effect there would be a couple of nights off for WashU when the bottom teams have to travel to St. Louis. Interesting. The flip side of that is there are no easy road games in the UAA, as even Case and Emory have been trouble for the top teams on their home courts. Generally I think the two leagues are pretty comparable with an upper hand for the UAA recently based on the teams at the top (but not this year).

The other point was that "it's a shame they can't have the rematch in Salem, but these teams will probably meet earlier because of geographical considerations." While this seems true, it's easy enough to keep WashU and Augustana apart. For example, with the 2008 bracket, you could switch Augustana into the pod with Lawrence, Wheaton, Loras, and UW-Whitewater and set up the final four matchup (in the spot that Hope got). While it depends on who's in the tournament and who has earned the right to host, the committee can probably do this if they want.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on November 23, 2008, 12:26:14 PM
A great early season win for the Bears.  AT had a strong performance.  Tyler Nading seemed to start a little slow but picked it up in crunch time.  21 turnovers probably makes Coach Edwards a little nervous.  Zach Kelly will need this type of performance on a regular basis to keep teams honest on interior defense. Cam Smith continues to work hard and contribute in all facets of the game. Cam is very tough to keep off of the glass. Another early season test in Anderson on Friday night when they take on Aurora.  This will be my first live look at the Bears this season. Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on November 23, 2008, 03:32:12 PM
Congrats to the Bears. Keep that #1 in the STL.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 23, 2008, 06:14:32 PM
Quote from: pabegg on November 23, 2008, 08:00:45 AMThe other point was that "it's a shame they can't have the rematch in Salem, but these teams will probably meet earlier because of geographical considerations."

I think that conversation is extremely premature.  All we know for sure at this point is that Augustana and Wash U are two very even teams.  But whether they are the #1/#2 teams in Division III, #4/#5, or #9/10, we really don't know at this point.  Remember, Augustana is not even the CCIW preseason favorite per the coaches poll - Wheaton is.

These are two great teams, but whether or not a tournament meeting before Salem would be unfair is something we won't have a better handle on until much later in the season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2008, 09:57:08 PM
Quote from: pabegg on November 23, 2008, 08:00:45 AM
From the sounds of it on the broadcast, it was quite a game in Rock Island last night. Kind of strange following it on the broadcast and live stats, as live stats would occasionally be well ahead of the broadcast and occasionally somewhat behind.

Some thoughts on a couple of points raised in the down time of the broadcast.

One is that Augustana would have a tougher league schedule ahead of them because the CCIW is deeper than the UAA at the bottom; in effect there would be a couple of nights off for WashU when the bottom teams have to travel to St. Louis. Interesting. The flip side of that is there are no easy road games in the UAA, as even Case and Emory have been trouble for the top teams on their home courts. Generally I think the two leagues are pretty comparable with an upper hand for the UAA recently based on the teams at the top (but not this year).

The other point was that "it's a shame they can't have the rematch in Salem, but these teams will probably meet earlier because of geographical considerations." While this seems true, it's easy enough to keep WashU and Augustana apart. For example, with the 2008 bracket, you could switch Augustana into the pod with Lawrence, Wheaton, Loras, and UW-Whitewater and set up the final four matchup (in the spot that Hope got). While it depends on who's in the tournament and who has earned the right to host, the committee can probably do this if they want.


It's easy to do but this men's basketball committee has shown very little desire to do so.

I agree with the assessment of the UAA and CCIW (heck, I made it, right?) :) But I wouldn't think there are any easy road games in the CCIW either, and maybe at best you could get one easy home game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 23, 2008, 10:15:05 PM
I listened to part of the Wash U - Augie broad cast. It's the first time I've heard you guys. You do a very nice job.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 23, 2008, 10:38:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2008, 09:57:08 PMBut I wouldn't think there are any easy road games in the CCIW either, and maybe at best you could get one easy home game.

Augustana won the CCIW last year and went on to lose in overtime to eventual national champion Wash U in the NCAA tournament.  Here are Augie's CCIW road games in 2008:

@ North Park (6th) - lost
@ Carthage (5th) - lost
@ Illinois Wesleyan (T 2nd) - won by 4 (trailed by 5 with 3:05 to play)
@ Elmhurst (4th) - won by 9 (2 point game with 2:47 to play
@ Wheaton (T 2nd) - lost
@ Millikin (8th) - won by 3 (trailed by 1 with 3:53 to play)
@ North Central (7th) - won by 4 (trailed by 4 with 1:56 to play)

http://www.augustana.edu/athletics/mbasketball/stats/2007-08/index.htm


CCIW teams don't travel via plane to road games and deal with all of the logistical hassel the UAA teams do, but road games are nasty.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 23, 2008, 11:03:20 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on November 23, 2008, 10:38:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2008, 09:57:08 PMBut I wouldn't think there are any easy road games in the CCIW either, and maybe at best you could get one easy home game.

Augustana won the CCIW last year and went on to lose in overtime to eventual national champion Wash U in the NCAA tournament.  Here are Augie's CCIW road games in 2008:

@ North Park (6th) - lost
@ Carthage (5th) - lost
@ Illinois Wesleyan (T 2nd) - won by 4 (trailed by 5 with 3:05 to play)
@ Elmhurst (4th) - won by 9 (2 point game with 2:47 to play
@ Wheaton (T 2nd) - lost
@ Millikin (8th) - won by 3 (trailed by 1 with 3:53 to play)
@ North Central (7th) - won by 4 (trailed by 4 with 1:56 to play)

http://www.augustana.edu/athletics/mbasketball/stats/2007-08/index.htm


CCIW teams don't travel via plane to road games and deal with all of the logistical hassel the UAA teams do, but road games are nasty.

UR was 22-6 in 07/08 with 4 losses in away UAA games.  The killer part of the schedule was back to back weekends playing WashU and Chicago.  Beat WashU in OT at home on Friday in maybe the best game I have seen, lost to Chicago by 9 on Sunday (WashU lost to CMU by 31 that Sunday) and then went to the midwest the next weekend for the rematch.  Tough teams and travel are a lethal combination.  Not familiar with the geography of the CCIW.  What are the travel distances, roughly?

@*Emory  76-81 L OT
@*Case Western Reserve  85-74 W
  @*Chicago  64-63 W
  @*Washington (MO)  53-54 L
  @*Brandeis  64-68 L
  @*NYU  85-92 L (2 OT)
  @*Carnegie Mellon  74-67 W
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 23, 2008, 11:09:40 PM
If the UAA has a home game as a breather, it is Emory.  The Eagles have strung together several 0-7 seasons on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pradam on November 23, 2008, 11:38:28 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 23, 2008, 11:09:40 PM
If the UAA has a home game as a breather, it is Emory.  The Eagles have strung together several 0-7 seasons on the road.

Ugh, bad memories from Brandeis' near-loss at home to Emory last year.  Brandeis got really, really lucky to win that one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2008, 11:39:18 PM
CCIW distances are all modest (at least compared to UAA or Ralph's teams!).  I'm going off memory rather than googling, but the four Chicagoland schools (North Park, Wheaton, North Central, and Elmhurst) are all within a handful (30?) miles of one another.  Carthage is perhaps 50 miles north of them, Augustana probably about 160 miles west, Illinois Wesleyan perhaps 125 miles south, and Millikin another 40 miles byond IWU.  So the absolute longest treks would be either Augie or Millikin to Carthage - perhaps 220 miles.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2008, 03:55:35 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2008, 11:39:18 PM
CCIW distances are all modest (at least compared to UAA or Ralph's teams!).  I'm going off memory rather than googling, but the four Chicagoland schools (North Park, Wheaton, North Central, and Elmhurst) are all within a handful (30?) miles of one another.  Carthage is perhaps 50 miles north of them, Augustana probably about 160 miles west, Illinois Wesleyan perhaps 125 miles south, and Millikin another 40 miles byond IWU.  So the absolute longest treks would be either Augie or Millikin to Carthage - perhaps 220 miles.
Refreshing people's memories to the distances involved, the ASC-East goes from Clinton MS on the east to UT-Dallas on the west, about 360 miles apart and then to Clarksville AR to the north about 322 miles to the northeast.  Clarksville AR to Pineville LA is 436 miles north to south.  Seven schools are in that division.

The ASC-West extends from Sul Ross State in Alpine TX on west to Abilene, TX on the east  313 miles and then southeast to Texas Lutheran in Seguin, 280 miles.  Texas Lutheran back west to Sul Ross State is 410 miles.  Eight schools are in that division

There are two other conferences to remember in terms of mileage.

The SCAC, Colorado College (Colorado Springs) on the West to Oglethorpe in Atlanta on the east, and Trinity in San Antonio on the south to Greencastle IN (DePauw) on the north, is 12 schools in two divisions.  (The SCAC is the UAA in concept without the plethora of airport hubs.)

The Northwest Conference is nine members from Whitworth in Spokane WA on the east to the rest of the conference on the western side of the states of Oregon and Washington.  That is about 400 miles across.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 24, 2008, 04:09:04 AM
Quote from: WashU33Fan on November 23, 2008, 12:26:14 PMAnother early season test in Anderson on Friday night when they take on Aurora.

I don't think that this will really be a test, unless it's one of those fun "you get five extra points if you spell your name correctly at the top of the paper" tests. Aurora has lost three-time All-American Larry Welton to graduation, and the Spartans no longer have their second-, third-, and fourth-leading scorers from last year, either. Aurora is very small and loaded with inexperienced players, and the Spartans will be 0-3 by the time that they face the Bears. Wash U will win this one by 25 points or more.

On the plus side, AU coach James Lancaster has a knack for developing teams that produce in league play in January and February, which means that this could be a good win for Wash U in terms of strength of schedule by the end of the regular season.

Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on November 23, 2008, 11:03:20 PMTough teams and travel are a lethal combination.  Not familiar with the geography of the CCIW.  What are the travel distances, roughly?

Most CCIW games involve a one-to-two-hour bus or van ride. A few are shorter (Elmhurst and Wheaton, and Wheaton and North Central, are only fifteen minutes apart), some are longer (Carthage and Millikin are more than four hours apart, and Carthage and Augustana are almost four hours apart as well). I'm not downplaying the UAA experience of having to fly to distant cities and live in hotel rooms for three weekends every season, but there's a lot to be said on behalf of an airline seat if you're 6'5 that can't be said for a bus seat or a van seat. CCIW road trips are like Navy SEALS operations: You endure a long and uncomfortable ride to your target destination, you do your job in a hostile environment under very trying circumstances, and then you get out of Dodge and back to your home base as quickly as you can.

Of course, as Ralph points out, nobody has it worse than the ASC ... and the NWC and SCAC travel schemes are no picnics, either.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 24, 2008, 08:09:11 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 24, 2008, 04:09:04 AM
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Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on November 23, 2008, 11:03:20 PMTough teams and travel are a lethal combination.  Not familiar with the geography of the CCIW.  What are the travel distances, roughly?

Most CCIW games involve a one-to-two-hour bus or van ride. A few are shorter (Elmhurst and Wheaton, and Wheaton and North Central, are only fifteen minutes apart), some are longer (Carthage and Millikin are more than four hours apart, and Carthage and Augustana are almost four hours apart as well). I'm not downplaying the UAA experience of having to fly to distant cities and live in hotel rooms for three weekends every season, but there's a lot to be said on behalf of an airline seat if you're 6'5 that can't be said for a bus seat or a van seat. CCIW road trips are like Navy SEALS operations: You endure a long and uncomfortable ride to your target destination, you do your job in a hostile environment under very trying circumstances, and then you get out of Dodge and back to your home base as quickly as you can.

Of course, as Ralph points out, nobody has it worse than the ASC ... and the NWC and SCAC travel schemes are no picnics, either.

Really?  I'm 6'3" and there are few things I like less than crying babies and the clown in front of me deciding my legs make a nice support for his seat back during his nap.  I think I would prefer a motor coach where I got my own seat.  Unless you're saying that the CCIW guys ride those short yellow school buses.  Then I get it.   ;D

That being said, I think the travel is one reason kids go to UAA schools.  I imagine that the chance to attend excellent academic schools and travel  has a cetain appeal to teenagers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: massd3fan on November 24, 2008, 08:54:16 AM
Good Day All,

   I haven't had a chance to sit down at the computer for a couple of weeks, but I was reading some of these posts on Brandeis and figured I would throw my $2 in (Today's equivalent of 2 cents from my day).

   I am not real familar with Brandeis Besides reading the insighful posts here), but I did attend the WPI-Brandeis game on Sat. night and was looking forward to seeing a Top 10 team play.  Unfortunately, I was very, very disappointed with Brandeis performance.  I'm not exactly sure of your process for your rankings, but obviously someone here missed the boat on this team.  I realize it was just one game, but since it was coming off an opening game loss, I was expecting a very high level of play.  I didn't see that at all.  Here are just a few points of what I did see.

A.  Their primary ball handlers pound the ball way too much.

B. How do you have a first team All-American on your team, and go multiple critical possesions with out him touching the ball.

C.  How do you not pound the ball inside on a consistent basis when you have the physical advantage.

I was amazed at how poorly Brandeis recognized things on the court, especially the guards.  At halftime, I was expecting to see them make an adjustment and work the ball inside much more.  WPI only has 2 players over 6'4", and one of them did not even play.  The one big guy who did play is not very athletic, but can take up space.  Early in the 2nd half, Brandeis was starting to go inside (Hollins & Deluca) and got some good looks.  They made a couple of hoops, then missed a couple, then seemed to abandon it altogether.

There were many points in the second half where you got the feeling they might make a run and you would expect that Deluca or Olson would start to take over, but thier teammates never really gave them the opportunity to do so.  I mean how does Olson play 30 minutes and only get 5 FGAs?

WPI played a great game, no doubt, but they actually tried to eat clock up and took themselves out of the flow they had been having throughout the game.  They had a number of possions in the last 6 or 7 minutes where they purposely pulled the ball out and then either got off a hurried shot as shot clock ran down, or committed a turnover.  They had a 17 pt lead around 5 or 6 minute mark and Brandeis had it down to 10 under 3 minutes.

Great win for WPI no question about that, but I do wonder if they can handle a tema commited to working the ball down low.

Brandeis does indeed seem to be a team trying seek an identity, but also looks like a team that the coach is having trouble getting the reins on.


   
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on November 24, 2008, 11:37:22 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2008, 03:55:35 AM
There are two other conferences to remember in terms of mileage.

The SCAC, Colorado College (Colorado Springs) on the West to Oglethorpe in Atlanta on the east, and Trinity in San Antonio on the south to Greencastle IN (DePauw) on the north, is 12 schools in two divisions.  (The SCAC is the UAA in concept without the plethora of airport hubs.)

The Northwest Conference is nine members from Whitworth in Spokane WA on the east to the rest of the conference on the western side of the states of Oregon and Washington.  That is about 400 miles across.

Allegheny College (Meadville, PA) and Wabash College (Crawfordsville, IN), both members of the North Coast Athletic Conference, are 455 miles apart.  Wabash has no conference opponents within 100 miles, and only two (of nine) within 180 miles.  Allegheny's nearest NCAC foe (Hiram College) is 75 miles away, and has six conference rivals more than 200 miles distant.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on November 24, 2008, 11:50:43 AM
How about the NEAC with Univ. Dallas? ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 24, 2008, 12:45:34 PM
Quote from: fcnews on November 24, 2008, 11:50:43 AM
How about the NEAC with Univ. Dallas? ;D

Well, that truely deserves some kind of prize.

I was surprized that the closest trip for UR is CMU at 224, with CWRU at 238 and NYU 251.  Brandeis at 338, Chicago at 520, WashU at 728 and Emory 745.

This is a big country folks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 24, 2008, 02:20:09 PM
CMU buses to CWRU and Rochester, but flies to the other 5 cities.  However, they also bus between New York and Boston for the NYU/Brandeis weekend.  The total season flights (in-conference) are 7 for CMU (I am not sure if it is the same for every team):  Trip 1: fly to WashU/Chicago, then fly to Chicago/WashU, then fly home (3 total flights).  Trip 2: fly to emory, then fly home (also that weekend, bus to and from cwru, 2 flights total).  Trip 3: Fly to Brandeis/NYU, bus to NYU/Brandeis, then fly home (2 flights total).  Trip 4: bus to and from Rochester.  So a total of 7.  Usually you would leave on a Thursday in the early afternoon for a flight and not return until sunday evenings on these weekends (in 2004-05 there was an ice storm in atlanta, of all places, and we were stuck there for 2-3 additional days).

I would suspect that some teams have to fly more.  Emory probably has to fly 3 times on the WashU/Chicago weekend, at least twice for the CMU/Rochester weekend (maybe 3 if they fly in between pgh and rochester), twice on the NYU/Brandeis trip, and then twice on the CWRU trip.  That would be 9 or 10 flights.  I think the most would be 10 by any team (for conference games only), unless one team decides to fly between Boston and NY. Some teams also play in holiday tourneys which also require travel.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on November 24, 2008, 03:04:40 PM
Here's WashU's travel plans, copied from page 86 of the media guide:
Quote2008-09 Washington University Travel Plans
Nov. 15-16 at Colorado College Classic ... Depart Friday, Nov. 14, at 11:25 a.m., via United Airlines Flight #7916 to Denver, Colo ... Game time on Saturday at 1 p.m. (MT), and on Sunday at 1 or 3 p.m. (MT) ... Return home on Sunday, Nov. 16, at 9:15 p.m., via United Airlines #7908.
Nov. 22 at Augustana College ... Depart Saturday, Nov. 22, at 9 a.m. via Charter Bus to Rock Island, Ill. ... Game time on Saturday at 5:15 p.m. for junior varsity and 7:30 p.m. for varsity ... Return home following game.
Nov. 28-29 at Anderson University Tournament ... Depart Thursday, Nov. 27, at 4 p.m., via Charter Bus to
Anderson, Ind. ... Game time on Friday at 6 p.m. (ET), and on Saturday at 1 or 3 p.m. (ET) ... Return home following game.
Dec. 19-20 at Elmhurst College Classic ... Depart Thursday, Dec. 18, at 7 p.m., via Charter Bus to Elmhurst, Ill. ... Game time on Friday at 5 p.m. and on Saturday at 2 or 4 p.m. ... Return home following game.
Jan. 5 at Webster University ... Depart Monday, Jan. 5, at 6 p.m. via vans to St. Louis, Mo. ... Game time on Monday at 8 p.m. ... Return home following game.
Jan. 10 at University of Chicago ... Depart Friday, Jan. 9 at 6:30 a.m., via Charter Bus to Chicago, Ill. ... Game time on Saturday at 3 p.m. ... Return home following game.
Jan. 23 at University of Rochester ... Depart Thursday, Jan. 22 at 6:05 a.m. via Delta Airlines Flight #1119 to Atlanta, Ga. ... Depart at 10:20 a.m. via Southwest Airlines Flight #294 to Rochester, N.Y. ... Game time on Friday at 8 p.m. (ET).
Jan. 25 at Carnegie Mellon University ... Depart Saturday, Jan. 24, at 8 a.m., via Charter Bus from Rochester, N.Y., to Pittsburgh, Pa. ... Game time on Sunday at Noon (ET) ... Return home on Sunday, Jan. 25, at 7:27 p.m., via Air Tran Airlines Flight #991, to Atlanta, Ga. ... Depart Atlanta at 9:50 p.m., via Air Tran Airlines Flight #792.
Jan. 30 at Brandeis University ... Depart Thursday, Jan. 29, at 7:45 a.m., via American Airlines Flight #2481 to Chicago, Ill. ... Depart Chicago at 10:15 a.m., via American Airlines Flight #444 to Boston, Mass. ... Game  time on Friday at 8 p.m. (ET).
Feb. 1 at New York University ... Depart, Saturday, Jan. 31, at 8 a.m., via Charter Bus from Boston, Mass., to New York, N.Y. ...Game time on Sunday at Noon (ET) ... Return home on Sunday, Feb. 1, at 8:10 p.m., via American Airlines Flight #2019.
Feb. 13 at Emory University ... Depart Thursday, Feb. 12, at 7:25 a.m., via Delta Airlines Flight #796 to Atlanta, Ga. ... Game time on Friday at 8 p.m. (ET).
Feb. 15 at Case Western Reserve University ... Depart Saturday, Feb. 14, at 9:45 a.m., via Continental Airlines Flight #2450, to Cleveland, Ohio ... Game time on Sunday at Noon (ET) ...Return home on Sunday, Feb. 15, at 8:45 p.m., via Continental Airlines
Flight #5833.

Interesting that the 3 league flying trips are Thursday AM departures.

As a pre-UAA WashU alum (team manager), we had one flying trip a year (junior year we got snowed in at Trinity TX with a foot of snow and missed the first day of classes in January!) and had lots of van rides around the midwest. So I can't relate to the modern WashU experience but it would seem to me that the toughest part of these trips is the Sunday road game after playing Friday and traveling Saturday with three nights in two separate hotels.

By contrast, Augustana doesn't have a true road trip all season, only single games away, and doesn't have any games fewer than three days apart (until the CCIW tournament).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2008, 03:32:21 PM
Quote from: fcnews on November 24, 2008, 11:50:43 AM
How about the NEAC with Univ. Dallas? ;D
Actually the cost of UDallas to the NEAC is the cost to maintain the AQ until all of those provisional members can come online!  (I cannot think of a single sport in which the NEAC would get a Pool B bid.  Beating UDallas is the price of the AQ!     :)  ) 

After looking at the fall sports, UDallas won Men's soccer and Women's Cross Country.  I think UDallas has a good chance to win both men's and women's AQ in basketball, and maybe men's golf.  The UDallas women's volleyball program joins in next season.  I think that the NEAC will be glad to have UDallas gone the minute that it no longer needs UDallas for the AQ!    ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2008, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 24, 2008, 11:37:22 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2008, 03:55:35 AM
There are two other conferences to remember in terms of mileage.

The SCAC, Colorado College (Colorado Springs) on the West to Oglethorpe in Atlanta on the east, and Trinity in San Antonio on the south to Greencastle IN (DePauw) on the north, is 12 schools in two divisions.  (The SCAC is the UAA in concept without the plethora of airport hubs.)

The Northwest Conference is nine members from Whitworth in Spokane WA on the east to the rest of the conference on the western side of the states of Oregon and Washington.  That is about 400 miles across.

Allegheny College (Meadville, PA) and Wabash College (Crawfordsville, IN), both members of the North Coast Athletic Conference, are 455 miles apart.  Wabash has no conference opponents within 100 miles, and only two (of nine) within 180 miles.  Allegheny's nearest NCAC foe (Hiram College) is 75 miles away, and has six conference rivals more than 200 miles distant.

Thanks, David.

So, the academic types do not mind the longer travel distances of the NCAC when compared to their previous conference alignments so they achieve "like-mindedness".   ;)

"Like-mindedness" seems to be the common factor in the UAA, the SCAC and the NCAC, even to the point of trumping geographical dispersion.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 25, 2008, 03:41:55 AM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on November 24, 2008, 08:09:11 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 24, 2008, 04:09:04 AM
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Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on November 23, 2008, 11:03:20 PMTough teams and travel are a lethal combination.  Not familiar with the geography of the CCIW.  What are the travel distances, roughly?

Most CCIW games involve a one-to-two-hour bus or van ride. A few are shorter (Elmhurst and Wheaton, and Wheaton and North Central, are only fifteen minutes apart), some are longer (Carthage and Millikin are more than four hours apart, and Carthage and Augustana are almost four hours apart as well). I'm not downplaying the UAA experience of having to fly to distant cities and live in hotel rooms for three weekends every season, but there's a lot to be said on behalf of an airline seat if you're 6'5 that can't be said for a bus seat or a van seat. CCIW road trips are like Navy SEALS operations: You endure a long and uncomfortable ride to your target destination, you do your job in a hostile environment under very trying circumstances, and then you get out of Dodge and back to your home base as quickly as you can.

Of course, as Ralph points out, nobody has it worse than the ASC ... and the NWC and SCAC travel schemes are no picnics, either.

Really?  I'm 6'3" and there are few things I like less than crying babies and the clown in front of me deciding my legs make a nice support for his seat back during his nap.  I think I would prefer a motor coach where I got my own seat.  Unless you're saying that the CCIW guys ride those short yellow school buses.  Then I get it.   ;D

I've traveled with the NPU men's team on a motor coach before. Trust me when I say that: a) you don't get your own seat; it's bench seating, just like every other charter bus I've ever been on; and b) the seats aren't all that comfortable, and they don't recline. On the plus side, there's no crying babies ... although, if the team lost and the coach is in the mood to yell at people, that might be worse. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 25, 2008, 09:41:00 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 25, 2008, 03:41:55 AM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on November 24, 2008, 08:09:11 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 24, 2008, 04:09:04 AM
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Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on November 23, 2008, 11:03:20 PMTough teams and travel are a lethal combination.  Not familiar with the geography of the CCIW.  What are the travel distances, roughly?

Most CCIW games involve a one-to-two-hour bus or van ride. A few are shorter (Elmhurst and Wheaton, and Wheaton and North Central, are only fifteen minutes apart), some are longer (Carthage and Millikin are more than four hours apart, and Carthage and Augustana are almost four hours apart as well). I'm not downplaying the UAA experience of having to fly to distant cities and live in hotel rooms for three weekends every season, but there's a lot to be said on behalf of an airline seat if you're 6'5 that can't be said for a bus seat or a van seat. CCIW road trips are like Navy SEALS operations: You endure a long and uncomfortable ride to your target destination, you do your job in a hostile environment under very trying circumstances, and then you get out of Dodge and back to your home base as quickly as you can.

Of course, as Ralph points out, nobody has it worse than the ASC ... and the NWC and SCAC travel schemes are no picnics, either.

Really?  I'm 6'3" and there are few things I like less than crying babies and the clown in front of me deciding my legs make a nice support for his seat back during his nap.  I think I would prefer a motor coach where I got my own seat.  Unless you're saying that the CCIW guys ride those short yellow school buses.  Then I get it.   ;D

I've traveled with the NPU men's team on a motor coach before. Trust me when I say that: a) you don't get your own seat; it's bench seating, just like every other charter bus I've ever been on; and b) the seats aren't all that comfortable, and they don't recline. On the plus side, there's no crying babies ... although, if the team lost and the coach is in the mood to yell at people, that might be worse. ;)

The motor coaches were always really nice when we rode them, and their was ample space, except when we had to share a bus with the womens team going between NYU and Brandeis.  The experience of busing on an off day (for example the saturday between games in the UAA), is definitely different than busing to a game, however.  On the off day the coaches dont mind if you put a movie in over the tv system that most coaches have and there are a lot of people sleeping, playing cards, etc.  On game days though, you have to start trying to get prepared for the game mentally so, if you have a long ride, it could definitely effect your preperation.  There are pros and cons to both.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 25, 2008, 09:16:56 PM
Brandeis loses their 3rd game in a row to start the season, going down 68-62 to UMD.

CMU tied with Wooster 35-35 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 25, 2008, 09:29:34 PM
CMU beats Wooster 74-68, behind balanced scoring from Jack Anderson (19), Ryan Einwag (14), Shane Rife (13), and Corey Orourke (13).  They improve to 3-0.  CMU never trailed in the second half and led by as many as 12.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on November 28, 2008, 11:20:43 PM
WashU pulls a Houdini and escapes with a 97-89 OT win over Aurora at the Anderson University tournament. Bears went cold midway through the first half and then Aurora shot their way back in after WashU had built an 11 point lead in the second half.  Zach Kelly came up big again 25 pts. and 10 boards. Tyler Nading with 19 pts. and 11 boards,  AT with 17.  Sean Wallis with 9 assists. Bears will take on Anderson for championship.  Anderson defeated Miami-Middletown 92-88 I think.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on November 29, 2008, 02:39:46 PM
Q: How do you win a game when your all-American point guard fails to hit a single field goal?
A: Have Zach Kelly score 25 points.

Kelly's productivity over the last two contests is simply astounding. I don't know how anyone will compete with the Bears if he continues to play at even one half the level he's been playing at.

Wash.U. could conceivably attain 22 or 23 wins before tournament play....early prediction: the race for the UAA runner-up trophy runs Pittsburgh...I like what I'm hearing about the Tartans.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 29, 2008, 02:50:09 PM
Quote from: WashU33Fan on November 28, 2008, 11:20:43 PM
WashU pulls a Houdini and escapes with a 97-89 OT win over Aurora at the Anderson University tournament. Bears went cold midway through the first half and then Aurora shot their way back in after WashU had built an 11 point lead in the second half.  Zach Kelly came up big again 25 pts. and 10 boards. Tyler Nading with 19 pts. and 11 boards,  AT with 17.  Sean Wallis with 9 assists. Bears will take on Anderson for championship.  Anderson defeated Miami-Middletown 92-88 I think.

Wow. File that one under "That's why they play the games" -- can't think of a more appropriate place.

Two things jump out at me in the box score:

* Sean Wallis went 0-7 from the field; and
* AU junior guard Dusty Magee, who over the course of his career has gone 126-332 (.380) from beyond the arc, went 4-16 (.250) from downtown in this game, including 4-14 (.286) in regulation. If his shooting hadn't been far so off his usual pace, Aurora would've pulled off the upset of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 29, 2008, 02:56:24 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on November 29, 2008, 02:39:46 PMKelly's productivity over the last two contests is simply astounding. I don't know how anyone will compete with the Bears if he continues to play at even one half the level he's been playing at.

Huh? A winless and badly undersized Aurora team comes within an eyelash of beating Wash U, and you're saying that you don't know how anyone will compete with the Bears? Well, perhaps UAA coaches should consult with AU head coach James Lancaster, because his team obviously competed with the Bears!

Quote from: Marty Peretz on November 29, 2008, 02:39:46 PMWash.U. could conceivably attain 22 or 23 wins before tournament play....early prediction: the race for the UAA runner-up trophy runs Pittsburgh...I like what I'm hearing about the Tartans.

Again, I don't quite see how you're bursting with such raging optimism that you foresee a 22-3 or 23-2 campaign for Wash U the day after it escapes with an overtime win over a team that came into the game with an 0-4 record. Is Wash U a great team? Of course it is. But your timing is bizarre, to say the least.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on November 29, 2008, 03:37:26 PM
Greg,
Aurora, if I'm not mistaken, was a a tournament team last year. Wash.U. has struggled out of the blocks in each of the last few seasons. Sean is just getting his bearings after a full year away from the court and we are learning to play as a team without last year's POY. I'll take a hard fought win like this any day of the week, particularly after the way we shot the ball in the first half. It was also a day after Thanksgiving on the road, etc. If we were to struggle again today, I'd be a bit more concerned, but 4-0 without a home game to our name, is just fine...even if it did require the Bears to stave off a near upset.

We'll find out a lot about Wash.U. after they play IWU next weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on November 29, 2008, 05:02:16 PM
Bears win again, 70-68 over Anderson...I thought the game was at 3 central, so I tuned in for the last 5.7 seconds...I said going in that I'd be concerned if we struggled, but since Anderson's only other loss was by 2 points to no.7 Platteville, I'm going to say that I'm content with a 2 point victory on the road. 5-0 with IWU forthcoming...no one can fault Edwards for scheduling cup cake non-conference opponents and considering the early struggles of UAA teams, these early season battles could prove helpful come March.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 30, 2008, 11:51:02 AM
After close games vs Augustana, Aurora, and Anderson, Washington should do fine for the rest of the season.  They have won convincingly against opponents whose names do not start with "A."
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 30, 2008, 02:24:14 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on November 29, 2008, 03:37:26 PM
Greg,
Aurora, if I'm not mistaken, was a a tournament team last year.

The two key words in that sentence are "last" and "year". Aurora no longer has multi-year All-American Larry Welton, or any of its other top four scorers from last season. The Spartans lost about 85% of their scoring and 67% of their rebounding from last year's team.

Last year's edition of Aurora was a tournament team. This year's Aurora squad was winless going into the Wash U game.

Quote from: Marty Peretz on November 29, 2008, 03:37:26 PMSean is just getting his bearings after a full year away from the court and we are learning to play as a team without last year's POY. I'll take a hard fought win like this any day of the week, particularly after the way we shot the ball in the first half.

Almost every team has issues of one form or another at this point, and in the larger scheme of things Wash U's issues are smaller than most, because the returning talent pool is both deep and experienced. But, yeah, a win -- no matter how you get it -- is always the bottom line.

Quote from: Marty Peretz on November 29, 2008, 03:37:26 PMIt was also a day after Thanksgiving on the road, etc.

... just like it was for Aurora.

Quote from: Darryl Nester on November 30, 2008, 11:51:02 AM
After close games vs Augustana, Aurora, and Anderson, Washington should do fine for the rest of the season.  They have won convincingly against opponents whose names do not start with "A."

Better hope, then, that Amherst isn't poised for a rematch in March. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tommygun on December 01, 2008, 12:46:24 AM
I thought it worth noting that CMU won their 18th consecutive non-conference game today.  That surprised me.  Their last three wins have been against Catholic, John Carroll, and Wooster.  Last year they beat a 21 win Gwynedd Mercy team, and a 19 win Misericoridia team in the ECAC, as well as Christopher Newport, Ohio Northern, Averett, and Capital (they beat Catholic last year as well.)  So it seems they haven't exactly been ducking people. 

I'm not really sure what any of this means, other than recently Carnegie Mellon has won a lot of non-conference games, but it seemed worth mentioning.  Wash U. has also won 18 consecutive non-conference games.  This is also an outstanding achievement as six of those wins came in last year's NCAA tournament, as many people might remember. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 01, 2008, 01:32:19 AM
Quote from: tommygun on December 01, 2008, 12:46:24 AM
I thought it worth noting that CMU won their 18th consecutive non-conference game today.  That surprised me.  Their last three wins have been against Catholic, John Carroll, and Wooster.  Last year they beat a 21 win Gwynedd Mercy team, and a 19 win Misericoridia team in the ECAC, as well as Christopher Newport, Ohio Northern, Averett, and Capital (they beat Catholic last year as well.)  So it seems they haven't exactly been ducking people. 

I'm not really sure what any of this means, other than recently Carnegie Mellon has won a lot of non-conference games, but it seemed worth mentioning.  Wash U. has also won 18 consecutive non-conference games.  This is also an outstanding achievement as six of those wins came in last year's NCAA tournament, as many people might remember.

That's the hallmark of a good conference: Top-to-bottom strength. CMU only went 6-8 in UAA play last season, so that 19-9 final record achieved by the Tartans is a testament to the fact that even mediocre UAA teams are very good by D3 standards. The same thing applies to the WIAC, where even the bottom-feeders traditionally hover somewhere in the 15-win range, and to the CCIW, where the team that's picked to finish last this season, Millikin, is already 5-0.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on December 01, 2008, 08:47:27 AM
Gregory,
I think Darryl was just trying to be funny with his "A" comments rather than making a predictive statement for the rest of the year.
WashU33Fan
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: topoftheworld on December 01, 2008, 12:59:16 PM
anyone see or hear anything from the tufts brandeis game?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2008, 01:09:58 PM
Quote from: WashU33Fan on December 01, 2008, 08:47:27 AM
Gregory,
I think Darryl was just trying to be funny with his "A" comments rather than making a predictive statement for the rest of the year.
WashU33Fan

I think Gregory was just trying to be funny, too. At least, that's what the smiley said to me.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on December 01, 2008, 02:35:52 PM
Sorry, I don't see smiley faces on my computer (I get random symbols) for some reason, so I didn't see one at the end of your post.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 01, 2008, 10:52:57 PM
CMU jumps into the rankings.  I guess with Chicago and Brandeis losing 8 games over the last couple weeks, the voters have decided that CMU is likely the 2nd best team in the UAA.  Hopefully they can continue to play well and beat Juniata before a big game against Rochester in their UAA opener.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 02, 2008, 01:38:21 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2008, 01:09:58 PM
Quote from: WashU33Fan on December 01, 2008, 08:47:27 AM
Gregory,
I think Darryl was just trying to be funny with his "A" comments rather than making a predictive statement for the rest of the year.
WashU33Fan

I think Gregory was just trying to be funny, too. At least, that's what the smiley said to me.

Pat, when the smileys start talking to you, it's time to go to bed. :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on December 03, 2008, 09:55:23 AM
After wins against Tufts and Babson, Brandeis sits at 2-3 and goes against another team with a rough start RIC in an effort to get back above .500. If Brandeis wins this game I think their season is at a fresh start and they will be fine (especially as we have seen DeLuca's play get back to top form). If they lose, more will need to be seen.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on December 03, 2008, 11:55:38 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 01, 2008, 01:32:19 AM
Quote from: tommygun on December 01, 2008, 12:46:24 AM
I thought it worth noting that CMU won their 18th consecutive non-conference game today.  That surprised me.  Their last three wins have been against Catholic, John Carroll, and Wooster.  Last year they beat a 21 win Gwynedd Mercy team, and a 19 win Misericoridia team in the ECAC, as well as Christopher Newport, Ohio Northern, Averett, and Capital (they beat Catholic last year as well.)  So it seems they haven't exactly been ducking people. 

I'm not really sure what any of this means, other than recently Carnegie Mellon has won a lot of non-conference games, but it seemed worth mentioning.  Wash U. has also won 18 consecutive non-conference games.  This is also an outstanding achievement as six of those wins came in last year's NCAA tournament, as many people might remember.

That's the hallmark of a good conference: Top-to-bottom strength. CMU only went 6-8 in UAA play last season, so that 19-9 final record achieved by the Tartans is a testament to the fact that even mediocre UAA teams are very good by D3 standards. The same thing applies to the WIAC, where even the bottom-feeders traditionally hover somewhere in the 15-win range, and to the CCIW, where the team that's picked to finish last this season, Millikin, is already 5-0.




Does anyone know of any other impressive winning streaks in D3 hoops? (non-conference, rivial, ect.) I don't know if that information is even tracked by the NCAA or anyone for that matter.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pradam on December 03, 2008, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on December 03, 2008, 09:55:23 AM
After wins against Tufts and Babson, Brandeis sits at 2-3 and goes against another team with a rough start RIC in an effort to get back above .500. If Brandeis wins this game I think their season is at a fresh start and they will be fine (especially as we have seen DeLuca's play get back to top form). If they lose, more will need to be seen.

Yeah, I agree, especially since, other that Carnegie and Wash U, nobody's showing life in the UAA.  Chicago's 0-5, Rochester's rebuilding and NYU is still a year away.  If they beat RIC, they can lose to Amherst, go 11-3 in the UAA (one loss to WashU, two losses to other teams) and still probably get an NCAA bid at 19-7 with their tough schedule.  Hell, if they go 10-4 in the UAA, 18-8 could still get them in. 

The RIC game is a biggie though.  Neither team wants to fall too far off in New England.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 03, 2008, 09:31:17 PM
CMU beats Juniata tonight behind 20 and 10 from Jack Anderson, 16 from Ryan Einwag and 15 from Shane Rife.  They will be 6-0 going into the first UAA game of the season this saturday against Rochester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on December 03, 2008, 09:35:38 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 03, 2008, 09:31:17 PM
CMU beats Juniata tonight behind 20 and 10 from Jack Anderson, 16 from Ryan Einwag and 15 from Shane Rife.  They will be 6-0 going into the first UAA game of the season this saturday against Rochester.

Who beat RIT 70-68 after being down 12-0.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 03, 2008, 10:48:46 PM
Chicago gets pounded by Wheaton tonight.  They havent looked too good in the first 6 games of the season.  Their final 5 non-conference games are on the road.  2 of those 5 teams are currently unbeaten and another is 3-1 Illinois Wesleyen.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on December 05, 2008, 12:32:45 AM
Hate to say it, but I think WU may lose to IWU at home on Saturday. With only 3 teams in the Lopata Classic this year, WU somehow got screwed into playing an 8 PM Friday game and then having to turn around and play  a 3 PM Saturday game vs a rested IWU team. Tough circumstances, es[ecially considering that WU draws literally 3 times more fans for a Friday night game and IWU travels well. Saturday's contest could go down as the lone non-conference L of the 2008-2009 Wash.U. campaign, even as I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 05, 2008, 12:39:40 AM
We are also on the eve of the first UAA game of the season, when CMU (6-0) host Rochester (5-1).  The winner will be the undisputed leader of the UAA for over a month, and the loser will be in last place for the same amount of time.  The game will be webcast so watch if you can.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2008, 05:33:28 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on December 05, 2008, 12:32:45 AM
Hate to say it, but I think WU may lose to IWU at home on Saturday. With only 3 teams in the Lopata Classic this year, WU somehow got screwed into playing an 8 PM Friday game and then having to turn around and play  a 3 PM Saturday game vs a rested IWU team. Tough circumstances, es[ecially considering that WU draws literally 3 times more fans for a Friday night game and IWU travels well. Saturday's contest could go down as the lone non-conference L of the 2008-2009 Wash.U. campaign, even as I hope I'm wrong.

"Screwed"? For crying out loud, Wash U hosts this tournament! Please explain to me how or why Mark Edwards would try to put his own team over the barrel.

Here's a more sane explanation: The Lopata Classic is normally a Friday/Saturday tournament. That's what Coach Edwards planned upon for this year, and that's how he set it up with regard to the Wash U schedule before whichever team was supposed to be the fourth member of the Lopata backed out late. Hamilton's itinerary and school calendar allows the Conts to stick around and play on Sunday before returning home to the Mohawk Valley. In other words, whatever airline that they're using to fly from Utica to St. Louis (or from Syracuse to St. Louis if it's easier to bus to Syracuse and fly out of Hancock Airport) is allowing them to use their tickets on Sunday instead of Saturday and they're therefore staying in the Gateway City an extra night. Illinois Wesleyan's itinerary and school schedule also allows for such flexibility, which is no surprise since IWU is a relatively easy three-hour busride from the Wash U campus. Therefore, both the Conts and the Titans are able to stick around St. Louis and play on Sunday, which means that the Bears can stay on the original Friday/Saturday schedule planned for the Lopata. As the host coach, Mark Edwards has clearly elected to do that.

As for Saturday's tipoff time, lots and lots of tournaments take place on Friday evening and Saturday afternoon. The CCIW/MIAA Classic this weekend is on that schedule. The upcoming Bluejay Classic in Elmhurst in which the Bears will participate is on the same Friday evening / Saturday afternoon schedule. Heck, if you'll hearken back to last March, the Final Four in Salem is on that sked as well. It's not considered to be an undue hardship for the participants.

Nevertheless, Marty, that was a mighty fine job of sandbagging. Lou Holtz would be proud. :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on December 05, 2008, 12:43:18 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2008, 05:33:28 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on December 05, 2008, 12:32:45 AM
Hate to say it, but I think WU may lose to IWU at home on Saturday. With only 3 teams in the Lopata Classic this year, WU somehow got screwed into playing an 8 PM Friday game and then having to turn around and play  a 3 PM Saturday game vs a rested IWU team. Tough circumstances, es[ecially considering that WU draws literally 3 times more fans for a Friday night game and IWU travels well. Saturday's contest could go down as the lone non-conference L of the 2008-2009 Wash.U. campaign, even as I hope I'm wrong.

"Screwed"? For crying out loud, Wash U hosts this tournament! Please explain to me how or why Mark Edwards would try to put his own team over the barrel.

Here's a more sane explanation: The Lopata Classic is normally a Friday/Saturday tournament. That's what Coach Edwards planned upon for this year, and that's how he set it up with regard to the Wash U schedule before whichever team was supposed to be the fourth member of the Lopata backed out late.

Thanks for the explanation.  I had wondered about the unusual arrangement.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on December 05, 2008, 09:56:41 PM
Live video of WUSTL Hamilton...good video...webcast on student radio has a few freshman doing the job...one good...two AWFUL. Laughably terrible and with no knowledge of wu hoops lore.  frustrating to be honest. But if you want to hear it, you may be listening to the next boom goes the dynamite (see youtube).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 05, 2008, 10:12:31 PM
I am having trouble with the webcast, it is really choppy.  Might be my connection because I am on a wireless network.  I guess Ill watch the Celtics crush the Trail Blazers and keep track of WashU on livestats.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on December 05, 2008, 10:51:59 PM
I meant to get this comment up before play started Friday night, but anyway.

Looking at the numbers, the UAA has recovered quite a bit from its weak start and by my calculation, is now 4th in the country (behind the CCIW, NEWMAC, and Centennial) in average rating. So things aren't as dire as they looked recently (unless you're Case or Chicago).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 06, 2008, 12:39:30 AM
As for the actual Wash U - Hamilton game, the Bears were simply too much and too deep for a hard playing, determined Hamilton team. It was clear that Hamilton had done its homework and they successuflly dogged Aaron Thompson to hold him to only 6 points in a team high 25 minutes on the floor. They also worked hard to keep Sean Wallis out of his game with some limited success. But Ross Kelley, who did such a great job last season replacing Wallis, had a team high seven assists. Freshmen Alex Toth and Dylan Richter looked good in spite of Richter's four turnovers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on December 06, 2008, 07:43:26 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on December 05, 2008, 12:32:45 AM
Hate to say it, but I think WU may lose to IWU at home on Saturday. With only 3 teams in the Lopata Classic this year, WU somehow got screwed into playing an 8 PM Friday game and then having to turn around and play  a 3 PM Saturday game vs a rested IWU team.

"When we had the lead, we kept our focus," said Washington University head coach Mark Edwards, who picked up his 483rd career victory. "We have a big regional game tomorrow and it was really important to rest the starters tonight."

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/releases/mbk12-5-08.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 06, 2008, 12:11:03 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on December 06, 2008, 07:43:26 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on December 05, 2008, 12:32:45 AM
Hate to say it, but I think WU may lose to IWU at home on Saturday. With only 3 teams in the Lopata Classic this year, WU somehow got screwed into playing an 8 PM Friday game and then having to turn around and play  a 3 PM Saturday game vs a rested IWU team.

"When we had the lead, we kept our focus," said Washington University head coach Mark Edwards, who picked up his 483rd career victory. "We have a big regional game tomorrow and it was really important to rest the starters tonight."

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/releases/mbk12-5-08.html

Nice find on the quote there.  With the starters only playing an average of 22 minutes, they are probably better rested than if they would have had a full practice last night.  I dont think last nights game should have much bearing on WashUs performance this afternoon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2008, 07:32:55 PM
Chicago lost today, 71-70, to a Kalamazoo team that has had a real tough time beating D3 comp the past few seasons. I hate to say this, but at 0-7 it looks like the wheels have come off for the Maroons. Chicago's upcoming four road games before the UAA opener against Wash U includes trips to St. John's (3-3), Carleton (3-1, with one of the wins being a victory over D2 Chaminade in Honolulu), Illinois Wesleyan (3-2), and MSOE (5-0). Chicago has to be seen as the underdog in all four of those games. It might get worse before it gets better for the Maroons. I hope not, but at 0-7 it's hard to paint a rosy picture.

On a positive note, Case picked up its first win today with a 77-73 victory over homestanding Trine in the consolation game of the Ramada Inn Shootout in Angola, IN.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 06, 2008, 07:45:23 PM
Huge win for CMU today in this season's UAA opener.  CMU earned its first lead with 2:52 left in the game and was able to hold on from there.  CMU now improves to 7-0.

WashU also improves to 7-0 with a big win over IWU.

NYU also remains undefeated at 6-0 with a win over Stevens.

Brandeis destroyed a highly tauted Emrson team 97-70.  Brandeis has rebounded with 4 solid wins in a row after their rough 0-3 start.  Brandeis held Emerson's best player, Shannon, to 15 points on 5-14 shooting and forced him to commit 7 turnovers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on December 06, 2008, 11:04:40 PM
Quote from: mark_reichert on December 05, 2008, 12:43:18 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2008, 05:33:28 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on December 05, 2008, 12:32:45 AM
Hate to say it, but I think WU may lose to IWU at home on Saturday. With only 3 teams in the Lopata Classic this year, WU somehow got screwed into playing an 8 PM Friday game and then having to turn around and play  a 3 PM Saturday game vs a rested IWU team. Tough circumstances, es[ecially considering that WU draws literally 3 times more fans for a Friday night game and IWU travels well. Saturday's contest could go down as the lone non-conference L of the 2008-2009 Wash.U. campaign, even as I hope I'm wrong.

"Screwed"? For crying out loud, Wash U hosts this tournament! Please explain to me how or why Mark Edwards would try to put his own team over the barrel.

Here's a more sane explanation: The Lopata Classic is normally a Friday/Saturday tournament. That's what Coach Edwards planned upon for this year, and that's how he set it up with regard to the Wash U schedule before whichever team was supposed to be the fourth member of the Lopata backed out late.

Thanks for the explanation.  I had wondered about the unusual arrangement.


I think Wash U may have changed the format of the Lopata Classic starting with this year.  If you read the notes for the Lopata Classic on Wash U's website, you'll notice that there's only 3 teams and a similar schedule for the 2009 Lopata Classic.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on December 06, 2008, 11:25:03 PM
Quote from: jagluski on December 06, 2008, 11:04:40 PM
Quote from: mark_reichert on December 05, 2008, 12:43:18 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2008, 05:33:28 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on December 05, 2008, 12:32:45 AM
Hate to say it, but I think WU may lose to IWU at home on Saturday. With only 3 teams in the Lopata Classic this year, WU somehow got screwed into playing an 8 PM Friday game and then having to turn around and play  a 3 PM Saturday game vs a rested IWU team. Tough circumstances, es[ecially considering that WU draws literally 3 times more fans for a Friday night game and IWU travels well. Saturday's contest could go down as the lone non-conference L of the 2008-2009 Wash.U. campaign, even as I hope I'm wrong.

"Screwed"? For crying out loud, Wash U hosts this tournament! Please explain to me how or why Mark Edwards would try to put his own team over the barrel.

Here's a more sane explanation: The Lopata Classic is normally a Friday/Saturday tournament. That's what Coach Edwards planned upon for this year, and that's how he set it up with regard to the Wash U schedule before whichever team was supposed to be the fourth member of the Lopata backed out late.

Thanks for the explanation.  I had wondered about the unusual arrangement.


I think Wash U may have changed the format of the Lopata Classic starting with this year.  If you read the notes for the Lopata Classic on Wash U's website, you'll notice that there's only 3 teams and a similar schedule for the 2009 Lopata Classic.

The Lopata Classic was supposed to be a 4-team tournament as it has always been.  Some team (can't remember which) backed out in about April of 2008, leaving Wash U scrambling to find a replacement.  They couldn't find a single team - D3, NAIA, etc.

I'm positive the intent is to have a 4-team tournament next year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: theBroadcaster on December 07, 2008, 01:14:26 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 06, 2008, 07:45:23 PM
Brandeis destroyed a highly tauted Emrson team 97-70.  Brandeis has rebounded with 4 solid wins in a row after their rough 0-3 start.  Brandeis held Emerson's best player, Shannon, to 15 points on 5-14 shooting and forced him to commit 7 turnovers.

Hindsight is always 20/20, but you really have to look at the decision to not start Terrell Hollins at the beginning of the year as a big reason for the Judges slow start.  Hollins came off the bench for Brandeis' first two games, both losses, and had a combined total of 9pts and 11 rebounds in the two losses.

Coach Meehan inserted Hollins into the starting lineup for the Judges third game, and while the result was another loss, Hollins had 8pts and 11 rebounds alone against Mass Dartmouth and the Judges looked like they were starting to come together by the end of that game.

Since then Brandeis has won 4 straight, and look at Hollins' line:
19pts 10 rebounds vs Tufts
20pts 10 rebounds vs Babson
18pts 16 rebounds 7 assists vs RIC
27pts 14 rebounds vs Emerson


Clearly as he goes so do the Judges, though if Brandeis is to come close to last yrs success Hollins is going to have to keep it up in conference, as he has struggled some in the past against the more talented forwards in the uaa that can match his size
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on December 07, 2008, 08:37:23 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on December 06, 2008, 11:25:03 PM
Quote from: jagluski on December 06, 2008, 11:04:40 PM
Quote from: mark_reichert on December 05, 2008, 12:43:18 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2008, 05:33:28 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on December 05, 2008, 12:32:45 AM
Hate to say it, but I think WU may lose to IWU at home on Saturday. With only 3 teams in the Lopata Classic this year, WU somehow got screwed into playing an 8 PM Friday game and then having to turn around and play  a 3 PM Saturday game vs a rested IWU team. Tough circumstances, es[ecially considering that WU draws literally 3 times more fans for a Friday night game and IWU travels well. Saturday's contest could go down as the lone non-conference L of the 2008-2009 Wash.U. campaign, even as I hope I'm wrong.

"Screwed"? For crying out loud, Wash U hosts this tournament! Please explain to me how or why Mark Edwards would try to put his own team over the barrel.

Here's a more sane explanation: The Lopata Classic is normally a Friday/Saturday tournament. That's what Coach Edwards planned upon for this year, and that's how he set it up with regard to the Wash U schedule before whichever team was supposed to be the fourth member of the Lopata backed out late.

Thanks for the explanation.  I had wondered about the unusual arrangement.


I think Wash U may have changed the format of the Lopata Classic starting with this year.  If you read the notes for the Lopata Classic on Wash U's website, you'll notice that there's only 3 teams and a similar schedule for the 2009 Lopata Classic.

The Lopata Classic was supposed to be a 4-team tournament as it has always been.  Some team (can't remember which) backed out in about April of 2008, leaving Wash U scrambling to find a replacement.  They couldn't find a single team - D3, NAIA, etc.

I'm positive the intent is to have a 4-team tournament next year.

Middlebury is the team that backed out this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bamm on December 08, 2008, 09:34:34 PM
Quick tidbit:  Mike Neer was quoted in Sports Illustrated this week, in article about former Neer underling Jay Wright.

"Jay can sell sand to an Arab or red, white and blue to Bin Laden," said Rochester's Mike Neer, the first coach to hire Wright. "You can't say no."

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: lefrakenstein on December 10, 2008, 09:28:19 AM
Assuming 3-4 in-conference losses and undefeated out of conference the rest of the way (a stretch- they play a couple of tough teams), what are the judge's chances of an at large bid to the tourny? (6-7 in region losses)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 10, 2008, 10:02:34 AM
In that case, I think they would have a pretty decent shot, but I think going 11-3 or 10-4 in the UAA is going to be a very tough challenge for any team other than WashU.  Also, dont forget that Brandeis still plays Amherst out of conference so that is another potential loss.  That would be four losses out of conference and lets say they go 10-4 or 9-5, that would be 8 or 9 losses.  If they dont win the Amherst game, they really need to go 11-3 in conference to have a good shot (10-4 may get them considered at 17-8).  On the other hand, if they beat Amherst, which will undoubtedly be a huge regional victory, they would probably be in pretty good shape at 10-4.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on December 10, 2008, 05:46:02 PM
Quote from: lefrakenstein on December 10, 2008, 09:28:19 AM
Assuming 3-4 in-conference losses and undefeated out of conference the rest of the way (a stretch- they play a couple of tough teams), what are the judge's chances of an at large bid to the tourny? (6-7 in region losses)
They should be in with 6 losses, barring some weird circumstances.
7 puts them firmly on the bubble

Last year's Brandeis team was 9-1 out of conference in-region. If they had been 7-3, they probably would have been out.

Only one team got a Pool C bid with 3 non-conference losses last year, WPI (at 8-3) but they were also 12-2 in conference. At that, only 2 Pool C bids went to teams with 2 non-conference losses (11-2 Middlebury and 4-2 Capital).

Brandeis' best shot is to duplicate Chicago's Pool A bid after a weak non-conference run last year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 10, 2008, 07:19:43 PM
There is an additional Pool C this year, if I am not mistaken.  1 more overall bid + 1 fewer pool B - 1 more automatic = +1 Pool C (18 instead of 17).  That will help out one team this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on December 12, 2008, 09:30:32 AM
While Brandeis should perhaps be 8-0 right now, or 7-1, one thing to keep in mind and that will help them if they win out or have just an Amherst loss (Amherst squeeked out a 2 pt win over emmanuel last week) is that all three of these teams were tournament teams last year and by the looks of it should be tournament teams again this year (UMD the exception as the LEC seems an interesting conference this year). 3 or 4 non-conf losses is a bit much but I do not think as dramatic as Chicago last year which had 6 or 7 if I am not mistaken.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WAS A PLAYER on December 12, 2008, 10:17:41 AM
Yes, but Chicago went to the tourney because they won the UAA. I'm not sure they get in  if they don't.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 12, 2008, 11:31:19 AM
Yeah, I am pretty sure Chicago would have been on the wrong side of the bubble if they had not won the conference last year (especially since that would have added another loss to their tally, making 9 losses on the year).   

The other positive for Brandeis is that two of their losses are to top 5 teams in the region (UMD and WPI) and those teams have a good shot at an AQ.  The other loss, to Lasell, is a worse loss but a single loss to a maginal team wont hurt them too much, especially in the first game of the year (Lasell has lost 4 times already so they are likely going to be ranked lower than Brandeis at the end of the year, even though they beat them, if things keep going the way they are, i know its early though) and Lasell also has a shot at an AQ in the GNAC.  Therefore, if Brandeis continues to play well from here on out, and wins 10 or so games in conference, they may be one of the first teams up for consideration out of the northeast because most of the teams ranked aheadof them  (possibly Amherst, WPI, UMD, etc) will likely get AQs, barring upsets (which I know always happen).  I think an important thing for Brandeis will be to stay consistent in UAA play and not have any "bad" conference losses to especially what appears to be the bottom 3 (Case, Emory, Chicago) and also beating middle-to-top conference teams like NYU, Rochester, and CMU at least 4 to 5 out of 6 games.  Taking a game off WashU wouldnt hurt either.  So in summary, I think the important think for Brandeis to get an at-large would be to first play well against their region opponents (teams that will be ranked in the northeast, the Amherst game is HUGE) so that they make it fairly quickly to the top of the region in order to be considered by the selection committee, then, I think the committee will be much more forgiving of a loss or two to WashU or a loss to CMU (if they are still ranked very highly) then if they have some scattered losses in conference to Case, Emory, etc.  But let me reiterate, they need to first take care of Framingham State, Curry (I dont think they could lose this game if they tried), and Amherst.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pradam on December 13, 2008, 04:04:42 PM
Just when I think Brandeis is turning things around, they go out and lose at home to Framingham State by 9.

Looking like Pool A or bust for the Judges.

Andre Roberson, Kevin Olson and Kenny Small went a combined 3/20 from the field.  Meanwhile, Framingham State went 9/15 from three.  Brandeis is missing Coppens and Graves-Fulgham far more than I expected (well, at least Coppens.  Figured DeLuca would replace most of his offense). 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 13, 2008, 04:27:59 PM
Sorry, I had to be stuck at my house this week listening on my computer to the Brandeis men's team play home games , but such is my financial situation as of late.  My friend Mr. Paul is not in the best of health to be able to take me to every local Brandeis game and I have to save money when I can--  therefore, I could not attend the home games this week in the interest of getting enough money to attend the UAA games at home and maybe a trip to New York at the end of the season.   As for the Amherst game, since the game is in Amherst on a weekday night, someone would have to pick me up in the Canton, MA area, take me to Amherst and drive me back on the day of the game-- similar to what someone did when I went to Elms last year.

I thank the WBRS announcers for mentioning my absence this week on the radio, and I miss not being able to go to all of the Brandeis local games like I used to do, but if younger Brandeis fans are going to make me a scapegoat for the troubles of the Brandeis men's team, then they are going to get an earful from me.

As a Brandeis alum who has followed the UAA from the beginning, I have never seen a Brandeis men's basketball team who started the season at 0-3 then go on to make the NCAA tournament.  The best that I have seen Brandeis in this situation is a situation where the Judges go 14-11 and 7-7 in the UAA at best.  Usually, Brandeis teams that start at 0-3 have finished under .500-- in most cases getting less than 10 victories.  The last Brandeis team to start 0-3 before this year was during the time Chris Ford was coaching as an interim coach, and that team only had 7 or 8 wins at best.   When Kevin O'Brien was coaching the Judges, the NCAA field for the men's tournament had a maximum of 40 teams.  Only 2 to 4 teams from the Northeast Region were able to play each year in the NCAA DIII men's tournament.  I thought that my best Brandeis season on the men's side was going to be the team that won the ECAC New England tournament in 1992 by beating 3 NESCAC teams on the road in the postseason-- I never imagined a Brandeis team that was going to be good enough to make it to the Elite Eight when I was a student.  

When Brandeis was able to easily beat Tufts, Babson, Emerson, and RI College, a lot of people seemed to think that Brandeis had recovered from the 0-3 start.  A great Brandeis team should have been able to roll by Clark and Framingham State at home-- even without my presence to rally the team.  Brandeis barely got by Clark, and then LOST to Framingham State in the Auerbach Arena today.   This Brandeis team is clearly not as good as the team from last year, and I understand that.  

Maybe this Brandeis team can make it to the ECACs, and if so, it will still be a successful season in my book, even if it didn't meet the expectations that a lot of people had for the Brandeis men at the start of the season.  I have to put the NCAAs on the back burner for this season after this performance against Framingham State, and just take it game by game.  As for Wash U, I pick the Bears to go 2-0 against Brandeis this season.  
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on December 15, 2008, 08:05:05 PM
Watch Chicago @ Carleton...

http://secure.stretchinternet.com/demo/games.php?user=carleton&o=cal_stamp&sd=today
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 15, 2008, 10:18:12 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on December 15, 2008, 08:05:05 PM
Watch Chicago @ Carleton...

http://secure.stretchinternet.com/demo/games.php?user=carleton&o=cal_stamp&sd=today

Watch them lose by 1 again....

Chicago now 0-9 with a very real chance of going 0-11 out of conference (then they get to play WashU in their first conference game).  Whoever said Chicago would miss Nate Hainje more than WashU would miss Troy Ruths looks to be spot on.  I am sure WashU misses Ruths, but they are still undefeated and ranked #1.  Chicago, meanwhile, has lost 9 straight (10 straight going back to last year) and 6 of those 9 losses are by 3 points or less.  It looks like they dont have anyone to make that last shot to come up with some close wins, like Hainje did last year.

Chicago now has as many losses as WashU, CMU, NYU, Rochester, Brandeis and Emory combined (everyone in the league excluding Case).  Along the same lines, the top 6 teams in the UAA have only 9 losses combined (the top 3 teams have 0 losses combined), the bottom 2 teams have 15 losses combined.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bouttime on December 16, 2008, 06:07:07 AM
Even with the seemingly large gap between the top and bottom of the UAA at this point, I have no doubt that everyone in the conference will beat the crap out of each other and the conference champ will more than likely have at least 4 losses
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 16, 2008, 10:04:57 AM
I think 4 losses for the conference champ is very unlikely.  Only twice in the history of the UAA (since 1987-88)has the conference champion had 4 league losses: WashU did it 1998-1999 (10-4) and CMU did in 2005-2006 (10-4). A 3 loss conference champion is more likely, as this has happened the last 2 years, but WashU looks like they could go 13-1 or 12-2 also.  It is even more unlikely because this year it appears as though there are 3 really bad teams, when in the past when there was a 10 win champ, there were 6 teams with very similar records (at least 7-7) and 2 teams that were at least reasonable (about 4-10), which meant a very small distribution between the top and bottom (6 wins seperating best from worst).  The last 2 years the seperation between worst and first has been 10 wins (11 win conference champ, 1 win worst team). This year it looks like it will be at least 10 because Case and Chicago have a combined 1 win so far this year.

Also, your wording is quite odd when you say "at least" 4 losses.  Never has the conference champ had more than 4 league losses (never).  When you think about it, there are 14 conference games for each time so how is that even realistic, to have more than 4 losses for the champion.  WashU is not going to lose to Emory or Case Western this season (sorry to break the news to the Eagle and Spartan fans), so IF they split with everyone else (Chicago, NYU, Rochester, Brandeis, and CMU), they will finish 9-5 (if this were to happen there would likely be other teams at 9-5 also).  The way Chicago is playing I dont think they will lose to them either, so that makes at least 10 wins in a worst case scenario.  My guess is that WashU will also sweep at least 2 of the other 4 teams as well, and possibly 3.  They will finish 12-2 or 13-1.

Here is another way of explaining why a 9 win conference champion is not likely.  Each team plays 14 conference games * 8 teams = 112 games.  Lets just say, as a very good approximation, the bottom 3 teams (Chicago, Case, and Emory) dont beat anyone but themselves, so they go a combined 6-36 in conference.  That means that those 3 teams are 30 games below 0.500.  Since there is a winner and loser in every game, there have to be 56 games won and 56 games lost each year.  Since the bottom 3 were 6-36, that means the top 5 would have to go 50-20.  If we divide by 5, that is an average record of 10-4 for the top 5 teams (with the only assumption that none of the top 5 teams lose to the bottom 3 teams).  There will likely be a few upsets of the top 5 teams by the bottom 3, but I dont think there will be that many. So even if the top 5 average 9 wins (that means 5 upsets by the bottom 3), you would expect that all 5 at the top teams wouldnt have identical records and at least one team would be a game or two above the average. So unless all 5 of the top teams are so even that they all have identical records, I dont think we are going to see a 10 win conference champion, let alone a 9 win conference champion, this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on December 20, 2008, 07:27:36 PM
WashU loses for the first time this season 82-75 at Elmhurst.  Bears shot poorly from behind the arc and were outrebounded 35-25.  The Bluejays shot 9-18 from 3 pt. range.  Bears go 6-1 away from home to start the season.  AT led the Bears with 18.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 20, 2008, 09:52:55 PM
Quote from: WashU33Fan on December 20, 2008, 07:27:36 PM
WashU loses for the first time this season 82-75 at Elmhurst.  Bears shot poorly from behind the arc and were outrebounded 35-25.  The Bluejays shot 9-18 from 3 pt. range.  Bears go 6-1 away from home to start the season.  AT led the Bears with 18.

Bad day in general for the UAA, both ranked teams go down.  At least both losses were on the road.  The only remaining undefeated in the UAA: NYU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on December 30, 2008, 12:59:46 AM
So is anyone running the UAA pick em like they did last year? That was a lot of fun. Just wondering...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 03, 2009, 07:05:17 PM
Chicago loses another heartbreaker that went right down to the wire, this one a 73-69 loss to Milwaukee Engineering up in Beer City. MSOE (9-3) is no slouch -- the Raiders are usually a fairly decent team -- but I'm sure that Mike McGrath thought that this was the game in which the Maroons would finally break through. Instead, they'll go into next Saturday's UAA opener at home against archrival Wash U saddled with an 0-11 record and the weight of the world on their shoulders.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 03, 2009, 08:19:35 PM
Gregory: Is that the first time Chicago has ever gone winless out of conference since joining the UAA?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 03, 2009, 08:35:08 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 03, 2009, 08:19:35 PM
Gregory: Is that the first time Chicago has ever gone winless out of conference since joining the UAA?

Dunno, since neither Chicago nor the UAA keep records online that go that far back, but the worst that Chicago has done in non-con play over the past decade was a three-year streak of 4-7 records from 2002-03 thru 2004-05. A 4-7 record is not good, even considering the tough non-con schedule that Mike McGrath always puts together, but 0-11 is something else entirely.

On the bright side, Coach McGrath can sit his players down this week and tell them in all honesty that the travails of the past month and a half don't amount to a hill of beans. In a very real sense, Chicago's season begins anew on Saturday against the Bears -- and, unlike November, this time the Maroons have the advantage of having absolutely nobody take them seriously. Call me a slow learner, but I still think that Chicago's good enough to have something to say about who wins the UAA this year. The Maroons probably won't win it, but I would not be at all surprised if they finish in the first division.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: frodotwo on January 03, 2009, 09:05:58 PM
It appears they have still not recovered from the 17-0 lead they were spotted by UWSP in last years' tournament game. They were outscored 67-36 the last 33 minutes of that game and have been outscored ever since :o
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 03, 2009, 09:26:47 PM
Yeah, I'm sure that their loss last March has been the uppermost thing on their minds all season. ::)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 03, 2009, 09:40:00 PM
Considering 7 of their 11 losses are by 4 points or less, what they are missing most is someone to hit big shots like Nate Hainje did last year.  Last year they were 7-4 out of conference (excluding postseason), they would be in the same position if they had pulled out those close games this year.  I still think they are dangerous in conference, they will win some games, McGrath knows all the teams and coaches and they have alot of upperclassmen so they arent going to lay down for anyone.  Lets not put them in the cellar with Case quite yet.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 04, 2009, 01:50:15 AM
I disagree with Gregory that Chicago enters the conference opener with the weight of the world on their shoulders. On the contrary, I see it as just the opposite. They're going to play Wash.U. without a care in the world; all the pressure is on the Bears. I can tell you that it's the Wash.U guys who will be feeling the pressure and they will be ready. As a WU fan, I am not looking forward to this match-up. I see my Bears winning in a barn burner, 83-78 in front of a pro Wash.U. Ratner.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on January 04, 2009, 11:18:00 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 03, 2009, 08:35:08 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 03, 2009, 08:19:35 PM
Gregory: Is that the first time Chicago has ever gone winless out of conference since joining the UAA?

Dunno, since neither Chicago nor the UAA keep records online that go that far back, but the worst that Chicago has done in non-con play over the past decade was a three-year streak of 4-7 records from 2002-03 thru 2004-05. A 4-7 record is not good, even considering the tough non-con schedule that Mike McGrath always puts together, but 0-11 is something else entirely.


Actually the UAA web site does have that information. I've included Chicago's record for each of the UAA years along with the lowest win total in non-conference play for each year:

2007-8: 7-4 (plus 0-1 NCAA) Emory and Case 7 wins
2006-7: 9-2 (plus 0-1 NCAA) Case 4 wins
2005-6: 7-4 Emory, Brandeis, Chicago 7 wins
2004-5: 4-7 Chicago and Case 4 wins
2003-4: 4-7 Case 2 wins
2002-3: 4-7 Case 3 wins
2001-2: 5-6 Case 4 wins
2000-1: 8-2 (plus 2-1 NCAA) Case 3 wins
1999-2000: 7-3 (plus 1-1 NCAA) Carnegie 1 win
1998-9: 8-3 Carnegie 4 wins
1997-8: 9-2 (plus 1-1 NCAA) Brandeis 4 wins
1996-7: 8-3 (plus 2-1 NCAA) Brandeis 4 wins
1995-6: 7-4 Emory 5 wins
1994-5: 6-5 Emory 3 wins
1993-4: 1-10 Chicago 1 win
1992-3: 6-5 Brandeis 4 wins
1991-2: 4-7 Chicago 4 wins
1990-1: 4-6 Chicago 4 wins
1989-90: 3-4 Chicago and Carnegie 3 wins
1988-9: 2-8 Chicago 2 wins
1987-8: 5-7 Case 1 win (pre-dates full round-robin)

So the 0 wins is the first time anyone in the conference has done this, replacing three one-win seasons, including Chicago's previous worst in 1993-4.

It's amazing that twice in the last three years, everyone in the conference won at least 7 non-conference games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on January 04, 2009, 02:41:01 PM
At Illinois Wesleyan on Dec. 19, Chicago led IWU by 4 with 18:36 to play in the game.  The Titans hit Chicago with a run to take about an 8-point lead and Mike McGrath called timeout.  I spoke to a Titan fan who sits directly behind IWU's bench every game (where you're basically in the huddle during timeouts) and she said that during that timeout IWU head coach Ron Rose said, "Look at their body language...they don't think they can win this game anymore.  Let's not give them any reason to feel differently."  The run turned out to be 15-0 and it was never close the rest of the way.

I'm no psychologist, but I've watched enough college basketball to know how important confidence is.  Chicago must have almost zero right now.  They've had so much go wrong in the final minutes of so many games now it's amazing.  I believe if they could just get over the hump in one game and have some good things happen, they might start to string a few W's together.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 07, 2009, 08:23:01 AM
My picks for this weekend's UAA action-- Men's games

Friday, January 9, 2009

1.)  Rochester at Brandeis-- Brandeis
2.)  Carnegie Mellon at NYU-- Carnegie Mellon

Saturday, January 10, 2009

1.)  Wash U at Chicago-- Wash U
2.)  Emory at Case-- Case

Sunday, January 11, 2009

1.)  Rochester at NYU-- NYU
2.)  Carnegie Mellon at Brandeis-- Carnegie Mellon
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 07, 2009, 01:40:23 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 04, 2009, 01:50:15 AM
I disagree with Gregory that Chicago enters the conference opener with the weight of the world on their shoulders. On the contrary, I see it as just the opposite. They're going to play Wash.U. without a care in the world; all the pressure is on the Bears.

I think that you're dead wrong, Marty, and this is the reason why:

Quote from: Titan Q on January 04, 2009, 02:41:01 PM
At Illinois Wesleyan on Dec. 19, Chicago led IWU by 4 with 18:36 to play in the game.  The Titans hit Chicago with a run to take about an 8-point lead and Mike McGrath called timeout.  I spoke to a Titan fan who sits directly behind IWU's bench every game (where you're basically in the huddle during timeouts) and she said that during that timeout IWU head coach Ron Rose said, "Look at their body language...they don't think they can win this game anymore.  Let's not give them any reason to feel differently."  The run turned out to be 15-0 and it was never close the rest of the way.

I'm no psychologist, but I've watched enough college basketball to know how important confidence is.  Chicago must have almost zero right now.  They've had so much go wrong in the final minutes of so many games now it's amazing.

Losing begets losing, and much of the reason why is psychological. The more that you lose, the more that you expect to lose. Toss in the fact that Chicago will be playing the defending national champions and the overwhelming favorite to win the UAA this season, and every Maroon who suits up on Saturday will be about as likely to enter the game "without a care in the world" as he will be to walk through the Englewood neighborhood two miles west of campus in the middle of the night while singing "We're In the Money" at the top of his lungs.

Chicago has lost in every way, shape, or form. The Maroons have lost a bunch of nailbiters, and they've lost games big. They've lost at home, and they've lost on the road. They've lost games to good teams, and they've lost games to the likes of Illinois Tech (5-12) and Lake Forest (1-8). They've lost games in a house; they've lost games with a mouse. Er, sorry. At some point, you see that the only pattern to your season is that you've somehow managed to lose every game, no matter the circumstances of score, location, or opponent. You therefore deduce, because you're a University of Chicago student and you're thus skilled at deductive reasoning, that the only constant in every game is that the Maroons lose ... and your confidence evaporates. And when you think you're going to lose, you do lose -- it's the most ironclad self-fulfilling prophecy in sports. As Bob implied, the only way to end that downward spiral is to actually break through and win a game.

That's why I said that Mike McGrath is going to stress in his pre-Wash U addresses to his team that the slate is wiped clean on their season, and that the Wash U game represents a fresh start. It's a speech that he has to make, because his team must be psychologically devastated by what has happened to it thus far.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 07, 2009, 01:52:37 PM
All too true about the psychological aspect.  I'm the person Titan Q quoted--I think I posted it right after the IWU-Chicago game, too.  The two teams looked really well matched, and Chicago was hitting early in the second half.  The game was up for grabs.  Once they hit a snag--a Chicago player got frustrated after traveling and slammed the ball down, bringing on an automatic technical--you could see fear and then panic in their faces and their play.  Ron Rose saw it too, and the Titans closed the door. 

Chicago has it in them to be a very good team.  If they can focus on each possession, they'll be very dangerous in the UAA season.  I wish them well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 07, 2009, 03:12:08 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 07, 2009, 01:40:23 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 04, 2009, 01:50:15 AM
I disagree with Gregory that Chicago enters the conference opener with the weight of the world on their shoulders. On the contrary, I see it as just the opposite. They're going to play Wash.U. without a care in the world; all the pressure is on the Bears.

I think that you're dead wrong, Marty, and this is the reason why:

Quote from: Titan Q on January 04, 2009, 02:41:01 PM
At Illinois Wesleyan on Dec. 19, Chicago led IWU by 4 with 18:36 to play in the game.  The Titans hit Chicago with a run to take about an 8-point lead and Mike McGrath called timeout.  I spoke to a Titan fan who sits directly behind IWU's bench every game (where you're basically in the huddle during timeouts) and she said that during that timeout IWU head coach Ron Rose said, "Look at their body language...they don't think they can win this game anymore.  Let's not give them any reason to feel differently."  The run turned out to be 15-0 and it was never close the rest of the way.

I'm no psychologist, but I've watched enough college basketball to know how important confidence is.  Chicago must have almost zero right now.  They've had so much go wrong in the final minutes of so many games now it's amazing.

Losing begets losing, and much of the reason why is psychological. The more that you lose, the more that you expect to lose. Toss in the fact that Chicago will be playing the defending national champions and the overwhelming favorite to win the UAA this season, and every Maroon who suits up on Saturday will be about as likely to enter the game "without a care in the world" as he will be to walk through the Englewood neighborhood two miles west of campus in the middle of the night while singing "We're In the Money" at the top of his lungs.

Chicago has lost in every way, shape, or form. The Maroons have lost a bunch of nailbiters, and they've lost games big. They've lost at home, and they've lost on the road. They've lost games to good teams, and they've lost games to the likes of Illinois Tech (5-12) and Lake Forest (1-8). They've lost games in a house; they've lost games with a mouse. Er, sorry. At some point, you see that the only pattern to your season is that you've somehow managed to lose every game, no matter the circumstances of score, location, or opponent. You therefore deduce, because you're a University of Chicago student and you're thus skilled at deductive reasoning, that the only constant in every game is that the Maroons lose ... and your confidence evaporates. And when you think you're going to lose, you do lose -- it's the most ironclad self-fulfilling prophecy in sports. As Bob implied, the only way to end that downward spiral is to actually break through and win a game.

That's why I said that Mike McGrath is going to stress in his pre-Wash U addresses to his team that the slate is wiped clean on their season, and that the Wash U game represents a fresh start. It's a speech that he has to make, because his team must be psychologically devastated by what has happened to it thus far.

I think there is one exception to your argument, and that is Caltech. Its not that Caltech was psychologically down and thats why they lost the first 10 games of their season, but instead they simply were not good enough to beat any of those teams.  When they finally played a team with equal or inferior talent, they won the game.  With that said, I dont think their win against Polytech will spark their season and have them winning a bunch of games.  What you said, which you may have insuated but did not state explicitly, applies only to teams that are underperforming (and in the case of Chicago, underperforming by a great deal).  I do not think the same argument applies to teams that truly are not good enough to beat the vast majority of teams out there (which does not seem to be case with Chicago).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 07, 2009, 05:32:03 PM
Caltech is not a good example upon which to base any argument, hugenerd. It's like trying to postulate a thesis about bobsledding by using the Jamaican national team as your case study. ;)

I think that you've misinterpreted my argument. I didn't say that teams lost because of a lack of self-confidence. Teams usually lose because their opponents are simply better at playing basketball than they are. But in the rare instances in which a team loses several games over the course of a few weeks to opponents that have equal or less ability, the psychological blow can cause a lack of self-confidence that becomes self-perpetuating.

I think that the losing-begets-losing mental syndrome is universal; I don't think it's confined to underachievers such as the Maroons. I don't think that Caltech or Polytech or Bard or UMPI or Principia or Alma or any other other traditionally poor team is immune to it. The difference between those annual doormats and Chicago is that the annual doormats have an obvious ability deficiency that almost always renders their lack of self-confidence a moot point. Whether the Caltechs and UMPIs of the world believe that they are incapable of beating anybody, or spout "I think I can, I think I can" like the Little Engine That Could every time that they take the court, really makes no difference. The vast majority of basketball games are decided by the respective abilities of the two teams to play the sport of basketball, not by psychological considerations. Simply put, if your ability is nonexistent, all the self-confidence in the world wouldn't make any difference -- but your team most likely won't have that self-confidence, anyway.

I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if teams like Caltech and UMPI are psychologically fragile simply from being worn down by all of that losing, and that this plays into many of their (relatively) close losses on occasions in which they play teams that, while not epically bad like they are, are well south of the bar of mediocrity.

That's part of what makes games like Caltech vs. Polytech, or UMPI vs. Unity, so fascinating. They not only represent a sort of duel of the dregs in terms of basketball ability, but they're also a study in the capability of teams to muster self-confidence where none is usually present. Caltech now has an edge in that category, as opposed to other beaten-down annual doormats such as UMPI or Alma. To discover why, click on this link. (http://ttp://www.docsheadgames.com/)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 07, 2009, 07:04:07 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 07, 2009, 05:32:03 PM
Caltech is not a good example upon which to base any argument, hugenerd. It's like trying to postulate a thesis about bobsledding by using the Jamaican national team as your case study. ;)

I think that you've misinterpreted my argument. I didn't say that teams lost because of a lack of self-confidence. Teams usually lose because their opponents are simply better at playing basketball than they are. But in the rare instances in which a team loses several games over the course of a few weeks to opponents that have equal or less ability, the psychological blow can cause a lack of self-confidence that becomes self-perpetuating.

I think that the losing-begets-losing mental syndrome is universal; I don't think it's confined to underachievers such as the Maroons. I don't think that Caltech or Polytech or Bard or UMPI or Principia or Alma or any other other traditionally poor team is immune to it. The difference between those annual doormats and Chicago is that the annual doormats have an obvious ability deficiency that almost always renders their lack of self-confidence a moot point. Whether the Caltechs and UMPIs of the world believe that they are incapable of beating anybody, or spout "I think I can, I think I can" like the Little Engine That Could every time that they take the court, really makes no difference. The vast majority of basketball games are decided by the respective abilities of the two teams to play the sport of basketball, not by psychological considerations. Simply put, if your ability is nonexistent, all the self-confidence in the world wouldn't make any difference -- but your team most likely won't have that self-confidence, anyway.

I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if teams like Caltech and UMPI are psychologically fragile simply from being worn down by all of that losing, and that this plays into many of their (relatively) close losses on occasions in which they play teams that, while not epically bad like they are, are well south of the bar of mediocrity.

That's part of what makes games like Caltech vs. Polytech, or UMPI vs. Unity, so fascinating. They not only represent a sort of duel of the dregs in terms of basketball ability, but they're also a study in the capability of teams to muster self-confidence where none is usually present. Caltech now has an edge in that category, as opposed to other beaten-down annual doormats such as UMPI or Alma. To discover why, click on this link. (http://ttp://www.docsheadgames.com/)

I agree with you.  I have taken psych courses.   I just felt your initial post was a bit vague and that it didnt apply universally. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2009, 08:29:01 PM
Greg, you might want to revise that Jamaican Bobsled team comparison - I've read that they are getting pretty darned good!  Afterall, most of bobsledding in the power of the sprint to begin (after that you're mostly just a passenger), and those Jamaican sprinters are pretty good. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on January 08, 2009, 05:25:53 PM
http://www.doubleazone.com/2009/01/university_of_chicago_mens_basketball_uaa_division_iii_winless_11_losses.php
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on January 08, 2009, 11:52:38 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/09/sports/ncaabasketball/09nyu.html?_r=1&ref=sports

i'm excited for friday night.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 09, 2009, 08:41:13 PM
CMU leads NYU 36-25 at the half in NYC.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 09, 2009, 09:01:15 PM
Brandeis and Rochester has been tight the whole way......1 posession most of the time it seems.

Brandeis 38 Rochester 37  16 min to go

http://people.brandeis.edu/~aslevin/livestats/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on January 09, 2009, 09:23:35 PM
UR up 66-60 with 3:42  to go

Carnegie Mellon up 62-52 over NYU with  5:17 to go
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 09, 2009, 09:31:09 PM
CMU up 16 with under 2 to play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 09, 2009, 09:36:30 PM
CMU ends up blowing out NYU in NYC, 78-57.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 09, 2009, 09:39:49 PM
Rochester holds off Brandeis on the road, 73-69.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on January 09, 2009, 10:23:20 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 09, 2009, 09:36:30 PM
CMU ends up blowing out NYU in NYC, 78-57.

NYU played AWFUL. CMU played AWESOME.

CMU just deserved the game more.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tommygun on January 10, 2009, 12:15:01 AM
Wait a second, an undefeated in the non-conference NYU team comes into league play and gets smoked.  Will miracles never cease.  On a serious note, the good news for them is that the league doesn't seem to be as good as the last few years, giving them a chance to get eight or nine league wins (they're going to have to beat the Chicago's, Brandeis's and Rochesters of the world,) and maybe sneak into the NCAA's.  However, again their margin for error is going to be really small since apparently they are really going to have to turn it around to beat Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh or win either game against Wash U.  And again with the less than impressive non-conference schedule they choose to play year after year they aren't going to get any breaks I wouldn't think unless they win at least eight league games (and they probably need 9 to be safe.)

Final note on this, a question to dblock.   Do you think NYU would be better served to play a tougher non-conference schedule?  It seems that every year this happens even with those really talented teams, (with Boone, Falcon, DeCorso, etc.) they had a couple of years ago.  I guess I'm asking do they not have the talent to do better in the UAA or do they not get ready and then come out of the gate slow and as you put it play awful at the beginning of league play due to the fact that the traditionally play a really below par non-conference schedule with 90% of their games played at home.  As compared to a Wash U., Chicago, or even Carnegie Mellon, who seem to play a fair number of pretty good teams in their non-conference and seem to do much better come league play. 

With Wash U.  they may be so talented it doesn't matter who they play in the non-conference, but with Chicago I would say one of the more shocking things in d III basketball the last few years is that they've won the UAA back to back and they play a very competitive non-conference schedule (kind of biting them so far this year.)  It would also seem that where CMU has not perhaps been on par with Chicago and Wash U.  They have a league title under their belt in the last few seasons, and seem to pretty consistently exceed expectation for the last five or six years and they seem to play a pretty competitive non-conference schedule as well.  Brandeis same thing.  If nothing else they certainly seem to play a whose who of NE region teams.  It just seems this happens to NYU every year and I'd be curious to see what others think.

Next, Brandeis is quickly playing themselves out of the tournament.  It would seem that DeLuca hasn't returned to his pre-injury form.  So the supposed upgrade from Coppens to DeLuca (or at least breaking even,) hasn't been there.  To be fair I don't live in New England so I haven't seen them play but looking at the box scores it doesn't seem that they are getting the same production out of DeLuca that they got out of Coppens, and while they are not identical players I do believe that DeLuca was supposed to pick up most of the offensive load left by Coppens and this doesn't seem to have happened.

Also it seems they aren't as big as last season and don't seem to be very good defensively.  Again this is just an observation which people who see them play regurlarly may not agree with.  Anyway regardless of the reason they now have to play with a real sense of urgency with huge games against Carnegie Mellon and Amherst coming up.  If they lose those you are looking at a scenario where they would have to run the table, or win 11 out of 12 something like that to get in.  With 2 games against Wash U. and games at CMU and Rochester as well as a full slate of league games against the Chicagos and NYU's of the world who are always dangerous an 11-1 or 10-2 finish in league play doesn't seem too likely.  The Judges need to get it figured out right now or it's going to be too late.

And finally Rochester looks to have gotten OK again pretty quickly.  The loss of those big guys seems to have hurt them but not as much as anticipated.  They move to 8-2 with one of those losses being at what appears to be a  pretty good Carnegie team in a game they lead for 38 minutes.

They along with CMU seem to have filled the void left by Chicago and Brandeis and seem to have put themselves in good position for the third UAA bid (3 total, I think four is a real stretch this year.)  If they can keep winning. 

I know this is all based on 1 night and in fact half the league hasn't even played yet, but clearly Case, Chicago, and Emory's chances of getting an NCAA bid lie in winning the league, which seems highly unlikely even if Chicago can find a way to win some of those games I think a league championship is a long shot, and Wash U. is Wash U.  So the teams opening up tomorrow I think provide a little less intrigue. 

I think tonight and Sunday's games however have a lot to say about the league.  If CMU and Rochester are able to get wins on Sunday I think you are clearly beginning to see the league take some shape and the teams that have a shot at an NCAA bid and those that probably don't really beginning to take shape, even though it is really early.   We will at least begin to see the teams with some margin for error, (CMU with a win on Sunday could afford to drop a game or two to Chicago, or Brandeis, even Case or Emory for that matter,) and still be in pretty good shape, as long as they don't drop games to all of those teams.  Rochester with a win maybe not quite the same margin as CMU but certainly would be in pretty good shape even with a couple of losses to teams other than Wash U. While Brandeis and NYU would have to start thinking about winning a lot of games to have much of a shot.  Of course this becomes moot if NYU and Brandeis win and everything becomes jumbled again.  Big games on Sunday.

All right this got long.  Sorry about that.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 10, 2009, 05:51:53 AM
TommyG:

You're right...that was a long.  But you raise some good points.  I wonder if the SOS for NYU is dictated more by geography and economics than anything else.  The travel demands of the UAA schedule are pretty intense for a D3 program and I'm sure university administration would prefer NYU play their OOC schedule close to home.  Same thing with UR.  Fortunately there are a number of good/decent programs in their general area (their other loss this year was by 9 to a top-15 undefeated Ithaca team).  All the UAA schools are pretty much in the same boat, but I think the teams Chicago, WashU and Brandeis have in their region are a lot stronger than those in NYU's and UR's, so short of traveling to New England or Virginia, I'm not sure who they could play that would increase their SOS in their area.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 10, 2009, 05:55:16 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 09, 2009, 09:39:49 PM
Rochester holds off Brandeis on the road, 73-69.

And with the #1 UR women beating #5 Brandeis in the first game of the night, UR men and women sweep Brandeis for the first time since 1997
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 10, 2009, 08:53:11 AM
Quote from: tommygun on January 10, 2009, 12:15:01 AM
Wait a second, an undefeated in the non-conference NYU team comes into league play and gets smoked.  Will miracles never cease.  On a serious note, the good news for them is that the league doesn't seem to be as good as the last few years, giving them a chance to get eight or nine league wins (they're going to have to beat the Chicago's, Brandeis's and Rochesters of the world,) and maybe sneak into the NCAA's.  However, again their margin for error is going to be really small since apparently they are really going to have to turn it around to beat Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh or win either game against Wash U.  And again with the less than impressive non-conference schedule they choose to play year after year they aren't going to get any breaks I wouldn't think unless they win at least eight league games (and they probably need 9 to be safe.)

Final note on this, a question to dblock.   Do you think NYU would be better served to play a tougher non-conference schedule?  It seems that every year this happens even with those really talented teams, (with Boone, Falcon, DeCorso, etc.) they had a couple of years ago.  I guess I'm asking do they not have the talent to do better in the UAA or do they not get ready and then come out of the gate slow and as you put it play awful at the beginning of league play due to the fact that the traditionally play a really below par non-conference schedule with 90% of their games played at home.  As compared to a Wash U., Chicago, or even Carnegie Mellon, who seem to play a fair number of pretty good teams in their non-conference and seem to do much better come league play. 

NYU always schedules these cupcake schedules. For a more in depth discussion of this you can go back on this board a a year or two (we talked about this in detail at some point). This year, 9 of their 11 out of conference games are at home, although a lot of those teams do have winning records.  Regardless of what we say about NYU's schedule, it is defintely not nearly as filled with cupcakes as Amherst's schedule and they are ranked #5 in the country.

Quote from: tommygun on January 10, 2009, 12:15:01 AM
Next, Brandeis is quickly playing themselves out of the tournament.  It would seem that DeLuca hasn't returned to his pre-injury form.  So the supposed upgrade from Coppens to DeLuca (or at least breaking even,) hasn't been there.  To be fair I don't live in New England so I haven't seen them play but looking at the box scores it doesn't seem that they are getting the same production out of DeLuca that they got out of Coppens, and while they are not identical players I do believe that DeLuca was supposed to pick up most of the offensive load left by Coppens and this doesn't seem to have happened.

Depends which tournament you are talking about, their are doing a great job of playing themselves into the ECAC.  If they want to get into the NCAAs, at this point, its not looking to good.  They are either going to have to finish they year on a 13-1 (maybe 12-2) run or win the UAA. Neither seems likely.

Quote from: tommygun on January 10, 2009, 12:15:01 AM
And finally Rochester looks to have gotten OK again pretty quickly.  The loss of those big guys seems to have hurt them but not as much as anticipated.  They move to 8-2 with one of those losses being at what appears to be a  pretty good Carnegie team in a game they lead for 38 minutes.

Rochester is a lot better than people think.  Their only losses are to undefeated #12 Ithaca and #14 CMU.  Mike Neer always does a great job and it is near impossible to beat them at home in conference play in that snake pit they call a court.


I am looking forward to checking out tomorrows CMU-Brandeis game, first non-MIT game of the year for me. Hopefully CMU can continue to play well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tommygun on January 10, 2009, 12:02:21 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 10, 2009, 05:51:53 AM
TommyG:

You're right...that was a long.  But you raise some good points.  I wonder if the SOS for NYU is dictated more by geography and economics than anything else.  The travel demands of the UAA schedule are pretty intense for a D3 program and I'm sure university administration would prefer NYU play their OOC schedule close to home.  Same thing with UR.  Fortunately there are a number of good/decent programs in their general area (their other loss this year was by 9 to a top-15 undefeated Ithaca team).  All the UAA schools are pretty much in the same boat, but I think the teams Chicago, WashU and Brandeis have in their region are a lot stronger than those in NYU's and UR's, so short of traveling to New England or Virginia, I'm not sure who they could play that would increase their SOS in their area.
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 10, 2009, 05:51:53 AM
TommyG:
Ethelred I agree that UAA schools have to play a little closer to home due to the conference travel.  However, to argue that NYU can't find anyone to play I don't believe.  I have not driven from NYC to the other surrounding areas in a long time.  However, it seems to me that Philadelphia and Boston are within 200 miles and would be region games.  There are a zillion teams that are a busride away.   I'm not saying that they shouldn't play home games or schedule nothing but tough non-conference games.  I just feel that playing at least  a couple of upper tier schools and getting on a bus and travelling a few hours to play some tougher opposition might help them get off to a better start and overall do better in the conference, while it seems right now they always get off to a slow start, with last night just being the latest example.  Plus if they beat a couple of those teams they might be able to get in the tournament with 18 or 19 wins, which in the past they've been left out at 19.  I think they are the only UAA team right now that has to win 20 to get in, and I think they bring a lot of that on themselves.  Anyway its their choice and if that's what they choose to do, then its fine by me.  But I do believe its a choice and not geographic isolation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 10, 2009, 12:54:50 PM
Quote from: tommygun on January 10, 2009, 12:02:21 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 10, 2009, 05:51:53 AM
TommyG:

You're right...that was a long.  But you raise some good points.  I wonder if the SOS for NYU is dictated more by geography and economics than anything else.  The travel demands of the UAA schedule are pretty intense for a D3 program and I'm sure university administration would prefer NYU play their OOC schedule close to home.  Same thing with UR.  Fortunately there are a number of good/decent programs in their general area (their other loss this year was by 9 to a top-15 undefeated Ithaca team).  All the UAA schools are pretty much in the same boat, but I think the teams Chicago, WashU and Brandeis have in their region are a lot stronger than those in NYU's and UR's, so short of traveling to New England or Virginia, I'm not sure who they could play that would increase their SOS in their area.
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 10, 2009, 05:51:53 AM
TommyG:
Ethelred I agree that UAA schools have to play a little closer to home due to the conference travel.  However, to argue that NYU can't find anyone to play I don't believe.  I have not driven from NYC to the other surrounding areas in a long time.  However, it seems to me that Philadelphia and Boston are within 200 miles and would be region games.  There are a zillion teams that are a busride away.   I'm not saying that they shouldn't play home games or schedule nothing but tough non-conference games.  I just feel that playing at least  a couple of upper tier schools and getting on a bus and travelling a few hours to play some tougher opposition might help them get off to a better start and overall do better in the conference, while it seems right now they always get off to a slow start, with last night just being the latest example.  Plus if they beat a couple of those teams they might be able to get in the tournament with 18 or 19 wins, which in the past they've been left out at 19.  I think they are the only UAA team right now that has to win 20 to get in, and I think they bring a lot of that on themselves.  Anyway its their choice and if that's what they choose to do, then its fine by me.  But I do believe its a choice and not geographic isolation.


TG - I agree completely that playing a tough schedule is important at all levels, from HS to DI.  All I am saying is that the quality of opponent wouldn't necessarily be that much better.  I'll admitt to not being all that familiar with teams in the Atlantic or Mid-Atlantic regions but Conn Col, Baruch, Oneonta and Stevens  I would think match up pretty well with other teams available.  Especially when the cost to the University is factored in.  I don't know the answer to this, but does it matter if their OOC games are in region or out of region?  NYU is in the East, most other NYC/NJ/pa schools are not.  If it doesn't matter, you're right, a game against a Williams or Amherst would seem reasonable. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 10, 2009, 07:10:44 PM
Case gets a big conference win to start things off today, beating Emory.  And for Chicago the streak continues...WashU wins.

Anyone at the game with some comments?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 11, 2009, 05:55:13 AM
Hugenerd, I am sorry that I will not be able to travel to Brandeis today to talk to you in person.  This will be the second UAA game in two years that I will not be able to be on the Brandeis campus to see, and I hate not being able to see Carnegie Mellon in person this year.  While you can take the "T" (the MBTA for those of you from outside Boston) from Cambridge to Waltham, MA by public transportation easily, there are no Sunday morning trains out of Canton, MA. To get to Brandeis today, I would have to go by taxi part of the way, as no one is willing to personally drive me to Waltham in this weather.  As you know, there is a winter storm going on right now, so be careful when you are travelling. 

I will listen to the game on WBRS and/or watch the live stats for the men's and women's games.  I hope to catch up with you in person at a later date, so if you don't see my e-mail link signature at the bottom of my comment, please tell me and I will post it up again.

PS-- My pick for today's game stands for itself, as I am doing this on a rational basis to see who I believe will probably win this game.  I think that Carnegie Mellon is the bonafide second best team in the UAA as of right now until someone proves otherwise.  However, anything can happen on any given day in the UAA, and I hope that Brandeis pulls off the upset today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 11, 2009, 07:25:53 AM
PS-- By the way, for a refresher, here are the games that can count in NYU's regional record:

1.)  All UAA conference games-- the UAA is defined as a multi-region league by the NCAA, and therefore, all conference games in the UAA count as a regional game for each UAA team.  In this case, all UAA games count as Northeast for Brandeis, East for NYU and Rochester, Great Lakes for Carnegie Mellon and Case, South for Emory, and Central or Midwest for Chicago and Wash U.

2.)  All non-conference teams listed as part of the defined East Evaluation region.  (That would put most teams in New York State in that category.)

3.)  All non-conference teams located within a 200 mile radius of the NYU campus.  (That would include teams in New York City and New York State that are not part of the defined East Evaluation region, as well as all non-conference teams in New Jersey, eastern Pennsylvania, and teams in Delaware and/or Maryland located within the 200 mile radius.  That would also put the NESCAC's Little Three of Amherst, Williams, and Wesleyan in that category as well as the NESCAC's Trinity, all teams in Connecticut, teams in Rhode Island within 200 miles, and it goes as far as to put all teams in the Central and western portions of Massachusetts into that category.  The city of Boston itself is more than 200 miles from New York City.  Washington, DC is also more than 200 miles away from New York City so DC teams don't count in this.)

4.)  All non-conference teams in Pennsylvania.  (New York State and Pennsylvania are in the same administrative geographic region of the NCAA-- all games in your NCAA administrative region are in-region games even if the team is more than 200 miles away from your campus.  That would put teams such as Messiah, Scranton, DeSales and Lebanon Valley in that category.)

Comparing that with Brandeis-- Brandeis can count these games are part of the Brandeis regional record:

1.)  All UAA games.

2.)  All non-conference games comprising of teams listed in the defined Northeast Evaluation region.  (a/k/a all non-conference teams in the New England states.)

3.)  All non-conference teams located within a 200 mile radius of the Brandeis campus.  (That would put some teams in the Albany, NY area in that category.)

4.)  All non-conference teams located in New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, and Washington, DC.  (Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont as well as the other 4 listed states are all part of the same NCAA administrative geographic region.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 11, 2009, 02:24:08 PM
The Maroons have Emory and CWRU coming into the windy city next weekend.  If that doesn't get them off the schneid--oh my!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 11, 2009, 03:12:29 PM
CMU played very poorly on offense today, missing many open shots and not looking very fluid in general.  Brandeis played pretty well, DeLuca played very well and that seemed to carry them.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 11, 2009, 05:45:51 PM
Hugenerd--

I listened to the Brandeis/CMU men's game on WBRS and followed the live stats, and what you described is essentially what happened today.  Carnegie Mellon ran into the Sunday buzzsaw that can affect UAA teams on the road where the visiting UAA team plays a tough game on Friday and gets spent on Sunday as a result (the most dramatic example being the Wash U men's team that lost by over 30 points at Carnegie Mellon on the Sunday portion of the trip after playing a tough game on the road against Rochester.)   Carnegie Mellon must have spent a lot of energy to get that victory on Friday.

Also, Steve DeLuca had a great game and Brandeis needed his performance today.   Brandeis goes 1-1 on the weekend as I expected, but I missed out on picking which opponent Brandeis would beat.  I had the Judges winning over Rochester and losing to CMU, but the opposite happened.

On another footnote, the Rochester men swept the Brandeis/NYU road trip for the first time since 2005, and the Rochester women swept the Brandeis/NYU road trip for the first time ever today.  Both teams should get the #1 seed for both the men's and women's version of the Chase Tournament coming up this week.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on January 12, 2009, 02:02:41 AM
ok here are my thoughts.

over my last four years at NYU, this was the hardest non-conference schedule I've seen. That being said, the talent of CMU vs. anyone we played until that game was uneven. I think playing a few TOUGH opponents would only due NYU good. As for the Rochester game, Neer should have ran the offense through Chimelowic for the last three years. He absolutely STROKED all day. He wasn't hitting spot up jumpers, he was nailing momentum shifting trey bombs with hands in his face ALL DAY. NYU played a good game, still some things to work on (Turnovers, defense could use an extra umph, etc...) but Rochester came to BALL OUT today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 12, 2009, 11:26:45 AM
Quote from: dblock on January 12, 2009, 02:02:41 AM
ok here are my thoughts.

over my last four years at NYU, this was the hardest non-conference schedule I've seen. That being said, the talent of CMU vs. anyone we played until that game was uneven. I think playing a few TOUGH opponents would only due NYU good. As for the Rochester game, Neer should have ran the offense through Chimelowic for the last three years. He absolutely STROKED all day. He wasn't hitting spot up jumpers, he was nailing momentum shifting trey bombs with hands in his face ALL DAY. NYU played a good game, still some things to work on (Turnovers, defense could use an extra umph, etc...) but Rochester came to BALL OUT today.

Yeah, or not.  Mike C is a great scorer, but his first three years the offense ran through a guy named Oniyiruka.  Maybe you heard of him?  6'7" All-American?   Opened up a LOT of outside shots for Mike who has been a very consistent scorer during his career.  Also, when Mike was hurt last year, it opened a spot for Rob Dominiak and all he did was hit 90+ three-pointers for the year, shooting right around 50%.  Add Uche Ndabizu at the 4 and the first three years of Mike's career UR had the consumate inside/outside combination.  The team has changed and he is THE guy this year, and it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.   But no way the offense runs through him the last three years.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on January 12, 2009, 12:18:24 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 12, 2009, 11:26:45 AM
Quote from: dblock on January 12, 2009, 02:02:41 AM
ok here are my thoughts.

over my last four years at NYU, this was the hardest non-conference schedule I've seen. That being said, the talent of CMU vs. anyone we played until that game was uneven. I think playing a few TOUGH opponents would only due NYU good. As for the Rochester game, Neer should have ran the offense through Chimelowic for the last three years. He absolutely STROKED all day. He wasn't hitting spot up jumpers, he was nailing momentum shifting trey bombs with hands in his face ALL DAY. NYU played a good game, still some things to work on (Turnovers, defense could use an extra umph, etc...) but Rochester came to BALL OUT today.

Yeah, or not.  Mike C is a great scorer, but his first three years the offense ran through a guy named Oniyiruka.  Maybe you heard of him?  6'7" All-American?   Opened up a LOT of outside shots for Mike who has been a very consistent scorer during his career.  Also, when Mike was hurt last year, it opened a spot for Rob Dominiak and all he did was hit 90+ three-pointers for the year, shooting right around 50%.  Add Uche Ndabizu at the 4 and the first three years of Mike's career UR had the consumate inside/outside combination.  The team has changed and he is THE guy this year, and it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.   But no way the offense runs through him the last three years.

hahaha i trying to be sarcastic...i shoulda thrown in a few smiley faces i guess  ;)

anyway, speaking of Jon and Mike C, its scary to think that both of them wanted to go to NYU but couldn't afford it. Jesus can you imagine the damage that a 4/5 combo of Jason Boone and Onyiruka would have inflicted? Mike C at the 2 and DeCorso at the 3. AND Sean Wallis was interested in NYU also. I'm hyperventilating thinking about the starting 5 that could have been my Sophomore Year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 12, 2009, 12:32:43 PM
Quote from: dblock on January 12, 2009, 12:18:24 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 12, 2009, 11:26:45 AM
Quote from: dblock on January 12, 2009, 02:02:41 AM
ok here are my thoughts.

over my last four years at NYU, this was the hardest non-conference schedule I've seen. That being said, the talent of CMU vs. anyone we played until that game was uneven. I think playing a few TOUGH opponents would only due NYU good. As for the Rochester game, Neer should have ran the offense through Chimelowic for the last three years. He absolutely STROKED all day. He wasn't hitting spot up jumpers, he was nailing momentum shifting trey bombs with hands in his face ALL DAY. NYU played a good game, still some things to work on (Turnovers, defense could use an extra umph, etc...) but Rochester came to BALL OUT today.

Yeah, or not.  Mike C is a great scorer, but his first three years the offense ran through a guy named Oniyiruka.  Maybe you heard of him?  6'7" All-American?   Opened up a LOT of outside shots for Mike who has been a very consistent scorer during his career.  Also, when Mike was hurt last year, it opened a spot for Rob Dominiak and all he did was hit 90+ three-pointers for the year, shooting right around 50%.  Add Uche Ndabizu at the 4 and the first three years of Mike's career UR had the consumate inside/outside combination.  The team has changed and he is THE guy this year, and it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.   But no way the offense runs through him the last three years.

hahaha i trying to be sarcastic...i shoulda thrown in a few smiley faces i guess  ;)

anyway, speaking of Jon and Mike C, its scary to think that both of them wanted to go to NYU but couldn't afford it. Jesus can you imagine the damage that a 4/5 combo of Jason Boone and Onyiruka would have inflicted? Mike C at the 2 and DeCorso at the 3. AND Sean Wallis was interested in NYU also. I'm hyperventilating thinking about the starting 5 that could have been my Sophomore Year.

Sorry.  There are sooo many nut-jobs on these boards I just assumed you were one.  My bad.  Good to note that I can exclude you from that list.

First D3 mens game I ever saw was NYU @ UR a couple years ago.  I remember going back home and telling coaches and players that they had NO idea what it would take to play at a high D3 level.  Most HS kids still have no idea.  I remember Boone had calves the size of my head! And Oniyiruka was crazy athletic foa a guy his size.  And the lineup that could have been?  I'd say there would be a very good chance that group might have had a two year winning streak.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2009, 07:56:20 AM
I went 3-3 last week.  Let's see how well I do this week on my picks.

My picks for this weekend:

Friday, Jan. 16, 2009

1.)  Case at Wash U-- Wash U
2.)  Emory at Chicago-- Chicago

Saturday, Jan. 17, 2009

1.)  NYU at Brandeis-- Brandeis

Extra pick:  Rochester will win the Chase Tournament.

Sunday, Jan. 18, 2009

1.)  Emory at Wash U-- Wash U
2.)  Case at Chicago-- Chicago


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 16, 2009, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 16, 2009, 07:56:20 AM
I went 3-3 last week.  Let's see how well I do this week on my picks.

My picks for this weekend:

Friday, Jan. 16, 2009

1.)  Case at Wash U-- Wash U
2.)  Emory at Chicago-- Chicago

Saturday, Jan. 17, 2009

1.)  NYU at Brandeis-- Brandeis

Extra pick:  Rochester will win the Chase Tournament.

Sunday, Jan. 18, 2009

1.)  Emory at Wash U-- Wash U
2.)  Case at Chicago-- Chicago

I am definitely looking forward to seeing Chicago get off the schneid at Ratner tonight. Plus, it's Beach Night, so when I see Mike McGrath and his assistants in luau shirts I can momentarily entertain the illusion that the Windy City hasn't really entered into a new Ice Age.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: thundermike11 on January 16, 2009, 10:58:01 PM
Congrats to Chicago for picking up their first W
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 17, 2009, 03:52:04 AM
Quote from: thundermike on January 16, 2009, 10:58:01 PM
Congrats to Chicago for picking up their first W

I concur in that statement.  Unfortunately, I got my Chase Tournament pick wrong on the men's side-- St. John Fisher defeated Rochester last night in the semis, and looks favored to beat Nazareth in the title game today, but I would like Nazareth to pull off the upset tonight. 

As for Chicago, I would be surprised if the Maroons beat Wash U, CMU, or Rochester this season, although Brandeis did win at Auerbach Arena against Carnegie Mellon, so I would not put it past Chicago if the Maroons did beat Carnegie Mellon this season.

I believe that Chicago has enough talent to at least finish 7-7 in UAA play, and no worse than 5-9.  Chicago will probably not finish in 2nd place in the UAA, however--  I would be very surprised if the Maroons actually finished 2nd, but Chicago could still end up in the top half of the league by season's end.

I will look forward to the home and home when Chicago plays Brandeis this season-- Chicago is still capable of going at least 1-1 vs. Brandeis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 17, 2009, 03:04:56 PM
That was a three-legged dog of a basketball game at the Ratner Center last night. Chicago shot 32% from the field and Emory shot 38%, although it felt like both teams were shooting even worse than that because so many of the misses came on wide-open looks. But a lot of three-legged dogs have owners that love them, and this was one tripodal canine that Chicago will treasure.

The key to the game, surprisingly enough, was Chicago's composure. I say "surprisingly" because, in light of everything that's gone wrong for the Maroons in close games this year, the last thing that you'd expect them to do is to pick up their first win in a nailbiter rather than a romp. Still, I'm sure that when the Maroons failed to put up any bigger second-half lead than seven points everyone in the gym was thinking like me, "Here we go again," and when the Eagles cut the lead to one with 1:25 left there must've been a lot of queasy stomachs on the Chicago bench. But then Matt Corning, who otherwise had a devil of a time trying to get the ball to go into the basket, canned a huge, clutch six-foot jumper in the lane with :49 left, and the Maroons went 8-for-8 over the rest of that final minute as Emory played drive-layup-foul in a desperate and futile attempt to cut the lead lower than three.

John Kinsella was the game's big star for Chicago. Usually more of a threat from the outside, it was his drives to the basket that sparked the Maroons all night, and his 5-for-10 from the field for 17 points was easily the most distinguished scoring line on a night when both teams looked absolutely woeful in terms of shooting.

It all starts with that first win. Now the Maroons have something that they can build upon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on January 17, 2009, 04:58:52 PM
Brandeis 65, New York U 35

Does Brandeis have their act together? Have the wheels fallen off for NYU?

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 17, 2009, 08:23:10 PM
Quote from: pabegg on January 17, 2009, 04:58:52 PM
Brandeis 65, New York U 35

Does Brandeis have their act together? Have the wheels fallen off for NYU?



Pabegg, I don't know yet, but NYU scored their lowest point total in years today.  Last year's Brandeis team that went to the Elite Eight swept NYU, but it was only by an average of 10 to 15 points per game.  It has been a long time since Brandeis beat NYU by 30 pts.  (Former NYU men's basketball coach Mike Muzio comes to mind for me when I think of Brandeis blowing out NYU.)

Brandeis at Amherst on Tuesday.  I'll be watching that game on line-- I believe that Amherst will stream video of that game-- if not, I'll definitely listen to the game on line.  Some answers may be provided then.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 17, 2009, 08:37:42 PM
Brandeis's 30 point margin of victory over NYU breaks the old record for largest single game margin of victory for the Judges in the Brandeis/NYU series.   In 1989, Brandeis, then led by coach Kevin O'Brien, won at the Coles Center by 27 in what turned out to be then NYU men's basketball coach Mike Muzio's final game as coach of the Violets.  Brandeis had to fly in from Emory the day of the game as the doubleheaders were held on Friday and Saturday nights back then.  NYU and Emory were travel partners that season-- Brandeis had Rochester as its travel partner then.  After the Brandeis blowout, Joe Nesci took over as coach of NYU the following week, and NYU won at Brandeis's Shapiro Gym later in the season.  (The modern Gosman Center and the Auerbach Arena court had not been built yet-- Auerbach Arena opened in January of 1992.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 17, 2009, 11:25:02 PM
Quote from: pabegg on January 17, 2009, 04:58:52 PM
Brandeis 65, New York U 35

Does Brandeis have their act together? Have the wheels fallen off for NYU?


Brandeis does seem to be playing better.  The win over CMU was big.  That was the only game of the season I think DeLuca has played like a first team All-American.

I am not sure if the wheels were ever on with NYU (it was hard to judge with their out of conference schedule).  They had a couple decent non-conference wins, but none of those were really that significant.  Of those games, they played 7 at home and 1 at a neutral site, so they only played on the road twice against ~0.500 teams (they still have 1 home non-conference game on Monday, so out of 11 games they will only play 2 on the road, nice scheduling). This is the second time in 3 UAA games that NYU has lost by 20+ points (they also lost to Rochester by 9).  Might help to play some league level opponents before you enter league play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2009, 12:20:01 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 20, 2009, 08:35:14 PM
Brandeis hands it to Amherst tonight on the road, 73-58.  DeLuca came to play (23 pts, 12 rebs) for the second time this season against a ranked opponent (he played well against CMU earlier).  Amherst misses its last chance to have a significant out of conference victory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 20, 2009, 09:04:22 PM
CMU finishes off its out of conference schedule with a 71-56 road win over Lycoming, to go 10-1 on the season outside the UAA.  Ryan Einwag 22 and 7 and Shaner Rife had 13 and 9 for CMU.  Lycoming had no players in double figures.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 20, 2009, 09:09:22 PM
Hugenerd--

As long as I recall the Brandeis/Amherst series, I have never recalled the Judges ever getting a win at LeFrak Gym in Amherst.  When I was a student, Kevin O' Brien's Brandeis Judges never won in Amherst, and I am not sure how coach Ken Still ever did in Amherst.  I know that interim coach Chris Ford never led the Judges to a victory in Amherst.  To my recollection, the previous times that I have seen the Judges beat Amherst have all been on the Brandeis home court.   Brandeis got a huge victory tonight over the Jeffs, and I hope that Brandeis's high quality of play continues throughout the rest of the season.

Amherst led at the half, 31-29, and the game was tied at 44 with 10:20 left to go.  Steve DeLuca then hit a jumper with 9:46 to go to start Brandeis on a 9-0 run that would get Brandeis the lead for good and also would give Brandeis the upset today.

Brandeis continues this weekend with UAA play at Case and Emory.  The Judges should be favored to win both of them, as coach Meehan usually does very well in getting victories against those teams.

Update to post:  I found out today that former Brandeis coach Ken Still led Brandeis to a 81-77 victory over the Jeffs at LeFrak Gym in February, 1995.   Both Amherst and Brandeis made the ECAC New England Tournament that season, and Amherst would defeat Brandeis in the ECACs to avenge the Brandeis win.   This year's Brandeis victory over Amherst makes it the first time in 14 years that the Judges won at Amherst.

Before 1995, the last Brandeis victory at Amherst was a 91-74 win in December, 1979 under former Brandeis coach Bob Brannum.

Many thanks to Brandeis Sports Information's Adam Levin for providing me with the info.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BornBalla on January 21, 2009, 10:43:41 AM
Personally, I think Brandeis is real good. Earlier losses were the result of DeLuca getting back to swing of things. They may not be as deep as last year BUT they have a legit "go to guy" this year. last year they were a very good team but no real "when the chips are down" guy. Deluca is that. Coach Meehan is a winner coach who always seems to know what to do in every scenario. On the flip side, I am not surprised they handled Amherst in the 2nd half to get the double digit victory. Amherst is good but relies on that 3 ball a whole lot.They will lose again in league on the road, maybe twice. Brandeis is for real in NE.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 21, 2009, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: BornBalla on January 21, 2009, 10:43:41 AM
Personally, I think Brandeis is real good. Earlier losses were the result of DeLuca getting back to swing of things. They may not be as deep as last year BUT they have a legit "go to guy" this year. last year they were a very good team but no real "when the chips are down" guy. Deluca is that. Coach Meehan is a winner coach who always seems to know what to do in every scenario. On the flip side, I am not surprised they handled Amherst in the 2nd half to get the double digit victory. Amherst is good but relies on that 3 ball a whole lot.They will lose again in league on the road, maybe twice. Brandeis is for real in NE.

Completely disagree.  Joe Coppens was that guy last year, he was lights out (especially in big games). 

Amherst is a question mark, they have not beat any top tier teams out-of-conference (their biggest wins are against Lasell, Westfield State, and Babson) and the NESCAC is down this year (Massey has them rated as the #15 conference in d3, behind the NEWMAC in NE, Amherst isnt even in the top 40 in the Massey ratings because of their extremely weak schedule). 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on January 22, 2009, 10:19:27 PM
I've started my work on the annual Pool B/C projections, with my attempts to mimic the regional rankings. As of now, Carnegie Mellon is #1 in the Great Lakes, WashU is #2 in the Midwest, Rochester is #3 in the East, NYU is #4 in the East, and Brandeis is #9 in the Northeast. The first four would be in the tournament easily, but Brandeis has a ways to go, even with the latest win over Amherst.

Collectively the top 5 are 10-6 in regional games against the rest of the top 80, which is the universe of teams with any kind of shot at a Pool C. By contrast, the 7 contenders from the CCIW are a combined 3-6, and the five contenders from the NESCAC are 5-6; only the WIAC (3 teams, 6-2) has a really good record. More impressively, only Brandeis' loss to Framingham State came to a team outside of the top 80.

But what jumped out at me the most came from the future games. WashU plays their next 8 games against top 80 opponents, as they play the other four UAA schools in the top 80. By comparison, I don't think anyone outside of the UAA or CCIW plays 8 games all season against top 80 teams, much less 8 in a row.

It's a tough stretch for my Bears, but should produce some pretty incredible basketball over the next four weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ephoops on January 22, 2009, 10:21:58 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 21, 2009, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: BornBalla on January 21, 2009, 10:43:41 AM
Personally, I think Brandeis is real good. Earlier losses were the result of DeLuca getting back to swing of things. They may not be as deep as last year BUT they have a legit "go to guy" this year. last year they were a very good team but no real "when the chips are down" guy. Deluca is that. Coach Meehan is a winner coach who always seems to know what to do in every scenario. On the flip side, I am not surprised they handled Amherst in the 2nd half to get the double digit victory. Amherst is good but relies on that 3 ball a whole lot.They will lose again in league on the road, maybe twice. Brandeis is for real in NE.

Completely disagree.  Joe Coppens was that guy last year, he was lights out (especially in big games). 

Amherst is a question mark, they have not beat any top tier teams out-of-conference (their biggest wins are against Lasell, Westfield State, and Babson) and the NESCAC is down this year (Massey has them rated as the #15 conference in d3, behind the NEWMAC in NE, Amherst isnt even in the top 40 in the Massey ratings because of their extremely weak schedule). 

I agree about the NESCAC being down this year.  the leaague graduated a ton of high quality seniors last year.

I do think Amherst is still the team to beat in NESCAC.  They have both Williams and Middlebury at home the last weekend of the regular season.

As for New england, it's wide open...   

Given Brandeis' early struggles and assuming they continue to play well, do they get a pool C bid (New England region is weak this year) if they don't win the UAA???
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ephoops on January 22, 2009, 10:23:45 PM
Quote from: pabegg on January 22, 2009, 10:19:27 PM
I've started my work on the annual Pool B/C projections, with my attempts to mimic the regional rankings. As of now, Carnegie Mellon is #1 in the Great Lakes, WashU is #2 in the Midwest, Rochester is #3 in the East, NYU is #4 in the East, and Brandeis is #9 in the Northeast. The first four would be in the tournament easily, but Brandeis has a ways to go, even with the latest win over Amherst.

Collectively the top 5 are 10-6 in regional games against the rest of the top 80, which is the universe of teams with any kind of shot at a Pool C. By contrast, the 7 contenders from the CCIW are a combined 3-6, and the five contenders from the NESCAC are 5-6; only the WIAC (3 teams, 6-2) has a really good record. More impressively, only Brandeis' loss to Framingham State came to a team outside of the top 80.

But what jumped out at me the most came from the future games. WashU plays their next 8 games against top 80 opponents, as they play the other four UAA schools in the top 80. By comparison, I don't think anyone outside of the UAA or CCIW plays 8 games all season against top 80 teams, much less 8 in a row.

It's a tough stretch for my Bears, but should produce some pretty incredible basketball over the next four weeks.


Pabegg - we cross posted... good analysis...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tommygun on January 22, 2009, 10:42:20 PM
As I said earlier I think the league is beginning to play itself into shape in terms of who has pool C chances and who doesn't.  I leave the number crunching upto everyone else, however, it has been my experience that if a UAA team plays a tough non-conference schedule then they are in with 19 wins and on the bubble with 18.  Less than that they need things to break their way. 

Therefore Wash and CMU are in very good shape, with Rochester still in very good shape.  In my opinion Brandeis and NYU are up against it.  Since I believe that Brandeis is the much better team they are in better shape, however, I think they only have a couple of losses to play with.  With 2 against Wash, a game at CMU, and a game at Rochester, I think their margin for error is very small.  They have to win a bunch.  That said with their tough non-conference schedule, weak NE region (although that isn't as important as it used to be,) maybe they could sneak in with 17 wins.  Even with that they don't have a lot of losses left and have to play very good basketball.

NYU is really up against it.  I think they have to win 19 due to their weak non-conference schedule and I think the chances of that are almost zero. 

Therefore barring something really strange happening, I think Wash and CMU are in.  Rochester is in good shape as long as they play well (i.e. they could lose four more league games, or there abouts.)  Brandeis needs to win a lot of games, which is possible since they're good, and NYU has to win a lot of games which is unlikely since it seems they are not nearly as good as the other teams on this list. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ephoops on January 22, 2009, 10:48:54 PM
If I were a betting man I would say that Wash U, CMU and Rochester are in, Brandeis is close but no cigar and NYU is on the outside looking in.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2009, 04:34:44 PM
My picks for this weekend on the men's side:

Friday, January 23, 2009

1.)  Wash U at Rochester-- This is the most interesting game of the four, because we don't know whether or not Rochester's #20 Mike Chmielowic will be playing tonight.  Mike Chmielowic went down with an injury in the Chase semifinal against St. John Fisher, and his status is still 50/50 for tonight's game.  Also, in that same game, Mike Labanowski of Rochester (#44) sustained a season-ending injury, so the Yellowjackets will be without Labanowski for the remainder of the season.

I will pick Wash U to win tonight, but Rochester has a shot if Chmielowic can play.

2.)  Chicago at Carnegie Mellon-- Carnegie Mellon, but Chicago will put up a fight and make it close.

3.)  NYU at Emory-- Emory

4.)  Brandeis at Case-- Brandeis 

Sunday, January 25, 2009

1.)  Wash U at Carnegie Mellon-- Carnegie Mellon blew out the Bears at Skibo last season, and this game will depend on how the Wash U at Rochester game goes on Friday.  Wash U has enough depth this season to be able to have some gas in the tank for Sunday's game, so my pick will be Wash U to win this one.

2.)  Chicago at Rochester-- Rochester, in another close affair.

3.)  Brandeis at Emory-- Brandeis

4.)  NYU at Case-- Case
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2009, 08:57:13 PM
Case is up 11 on Brandeis at the half, 31-20.

Brandeis is not playing well tonight-- Kevin Herring of Case is practically outscoring the Judges by himself, and Brandeis was held to 4 field goals in the first half.

Rochester's best 2 players are out tonight-- The leading scorer in the UAA coming into tonight is not playing today due to the injury that he sustained in the Chase Tournament.  Wash U is easily beating Rochester as a result.  Wash U had 8 3's in the first half alone against Rochester's zone defense.

The last time I checked, NYU and Carnegie Mellon were leading their games.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 23, 2009, 09:48:38 PM
CMU pulls one out at home against Chicago.  They led by double figures most of the second half but Chicago cut it to 2 with about a minute left but then fell short, as has become the trend this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2009, 10:11:22 PM
Despite Kevin Herring's 33 points to lead Case (1/2 of Case's offense tonight was Kevin Herring-- Herring fell 2 pts short of tying his career high that was set last year against DePauw), Brandeis was able to rally back from a 16 pt. deficit in the first half and an 11 pt halftime deficit to take a 73-66 victory over the Spartans in Cleveland tonight.

Brandeis outscored Case 53 to 35 in the second half and free throw shooting played a key role in the outcome.   Since Brian Meehan became coach of the Judges, Brandeis has now gone 10-1 against Case with the only loss to Case coming in Horsburgh Gymnasium in Brian Meehan's first season as Brandeis coach.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 23, 2009, 10:13:11 PM
Just sitting here waiting for Sager to acknowledge his woeful pre-season predictions...

I don't care if Rochester had 0 starters. They still had a home court advantage on a Friday night and Mike Neer pacing the sidelines; this was an impressive Wash.U. win. Had Brandeis lost to Case (as it appeared would be the case for much of the evening), Wash.U. could have all but wrapped up the league tonight. A 30 point win at Rochester, no matter the circumstances, serves as a statement victory and while every night is tough in the UAA, it has become clear that Wash.U. is definitively the team to beat in the UAA. Deis is very good and is beginning to hit its stride, but the Judges lost to Rochester. Even if Wash.U. were to lose two of its next 3 (@ Carnegie, @Deis, @ NYU), I still think they'd run away with the conference. Once this current 4 game stretch ends, the Bears play only 2 road games: Emory and Case. WU has lost at home just once in conference play in the last 3 seasons. For WU to lose the conference lead, Deis would effectively have to sweep both meetings and I just don't see that happening.

Wash.U. is a legitimate 10 deep, with one conceivably able to make the case that they go 12 deep.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 23, 2009, 10:21:07 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 23, 2009, 10:13:11 PM
Just sitting here waiting for Sager to acknowledge his woeful pre-season predictions...

I don't care if Rochester had 0 starters. They still had a home court advantage on a Friday night and Mike Neer pacing the sidelines; this was an impressive Wash.U. win. Had Brandeis lost to Case (as it appeared would be the case for much of the evening), Wash.U. could have all but wrapped up the league tonight. A 30 point win at Rochester, no matter the circumstances, serves as a statement victory and while every night is tough in the UAA, it has become clear that Wash.U. is definitively the team to beat in the UAA. Deis is very good and is beginning to hit its stride, but the Judges lost to Rochester. Even if Wash.U. were to lose two of its next 3 (@ Carnegie, @Deis, @ NYU), I still think they'd run away with the conference. Once this current 4 game stretch ends, the Bears play only 2 road games: Emory and Case. WU has lost at home just once in conference play in the last 3 seasons. For WU to lose the conference lead, Deis would effectively have to sweep both meetings and I just don't see that happening.

Wash.U. is a legitimate 10 deep, with one conceivably able to make the case that they go 12 deep.

How would have Brandeis' loss wrapped up the title?  If CMU beats WashU on Sunday, CMU would tie WashU for first and hold the tiebreaker (as of that point).

Also, whats with all the animosity, I think WashU has gotten all the credit they deserve.  They were ranked #1 for most of the year until they lost to Elmhurst and they are now #3.  Seems like people acknowledge them as being good.

As for Rochester, they better hope to get someone back soon, if they continue to play like they did tonight they arent going to have any chance at the NCAAs.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tommygun on January 24, 2009, 12:23:58 AM
As far as the UAA and pool C's go I think tonight is a perfect indication why the teams that have a reduced margin for error are going to have a tough time getting in.  Brandeis overcomes a big deficit to beat a suddenly frisky Case team and NYU survives by 2 at Emory.  If either of these teams had lost I think it would've been curtains for their NCAA chances.  And these wins are against the two teams at the bottom of the league (along with Chicago.)  With two left against Wash, a game at CMU, and a game at Rochester left along with the fact they have to play each other it just seems like it is going to be really hard for them to win enough games.  At this point I certainly don't think the game at Case on Sunday is any gimme for NYU.  I also don't think the games against Chicago are gimme's for these teams (I believe Chicago has done quite well against Brandeis in recent years.)  So again it seems like a long road for these teams.

As for Rochester I agree they better get Chmielowic back in a hurry.  All of the sudden Sunday becomes a big game for Rochester.  If they lose that one they will very quickly be using up that margin of error I was talking about earlier.  With two left against Wash, and a game against CMU, that game against Brandeis could loom large if Rochester slips up once or twice in the game on Sunday or the next couple of weekends against Case and Emory.

As for CMU they dodge a bullet tonight and pull out what appears to have been a relatively ugly win against Chicago.  However, win they did and they remain in really good shape unless they collapse and start losing to all of the good teams and some of the bottom teams as well. 

Obviously Wash seems to be the class of the league and, as obviously, are a mortal lock for a pool C if something unforseen happens and they don't win the league.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 24, 2009, 12:57:50 PM
Brandeis is very good and will finish strong. I think that if they go 8-2 they're in and I think they can do that. 7-3 still gives them a good shot, particularly if they can beat WU next Friday at home. With wins over Amherst and Wash.U., I think the committee would forget about their early season struggles, especially with the northeast being a bit down this year.

CMU is a mystery to me. They always play well against Wash.U., so my limited exposure to them has always impressed me. Their tough slashing guards will give Wash.U. a great game tomorrow, but if the Bears can pull it out, you can pretty much crown WU league champs. Hugenerd, I'm sorry if that sounds arrogant; I don't mean to be a homer. But think about it, WU has lost 1 home game in 3 years. If they open 5-0 in the league with wins on the road at Rochester and Carnegie, it's going to be damn near impossible for anyone to overcome that lead in the standings.

From all I've heard and read, NYU is not an impressive basketball team this year. I dont really consider them a part of the UAA race.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 24, 2009, 03:38:46 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 23, 2009, 10:13:11 PM
Just sitting here waiting for Sager to acknowledge his woeful pre-season predictions...

I don't care if Rochester had 0 starters. They still had a home court advantage on a Friday night and Mike Neer pacing the sidelines; this was an impressive Wash.U. win. Had Brandeis lost to Case (as it appeared would be the case for much of the evening), Wash.U. could have all but wrapped up the league tonight. A 30 point win at Rochester, no matter the circumstances, serves as a statement victory and while every night is tough in the UAA, it has become clear that Wash.U. is definitively the team to beat in the UAA. Deis is very good and is beginning to hit its stride, but the Judges lost to Rochester. Even if Wash.U. were to lose two of its next 3 (@ Carnegie, @Deis, @ NYU), I still think they'd run away with the conference. Once this current 4 game stretch ends, the Bears play only 2 road games: Emory and Case. WU has lost at home just once in conference play in the last 3 seasons. For WU to lose the conference lead, Deis would effectively have to sweep both meetings and I just don't see that happening.

Wash.U. is a legitimate 10 deep, with one conceivably able to make the case that they go 12 deep.

So, in your considered, "non-homer" opinion, replacing 2 two guys that average 31 minutes a game, 30+ points a game, each with 34 3 pointers, in an offesnse that is run through those particular players, with two guys who have averaged 10 minutes and combine for 5 points, had no bearing on Wash U's win?  I would suggest that it did.  Not that the ultimate outcome would have been different regarding W/L.  Wash U played a great game and has a lot of weapons.  But I don't believe the game would have been a 30 point game with the Mike's playing.  And 30 point losses happen.  I remember Wash U getting spanked last year by CMU and it didn't seem to have an adverse effect on their season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 24, 2009, 05:01:24 PM
Fair enough, but no one on the Wash.U. roster played more than 22 minutes and the result was still lopsided. If you want to make the argument that Rochester's studs would have made the difference and you want to make that argument based on numbers, that's fine. But in doing so, you'd also have to factor in what Thompson, Wallis and Nading would do if they played normal minutes. Look, I absolutely do not think Wash.U. beats Rochester by 30 if Rochester has both those guys in the line-up. However, I do think a 30 point road win on a Friday night serves as emphatic proof that Wash.U., at least right now, is the UAA's best team. That may have been obvious to board users regardless of last night's outcome, but based on various comments from users of this forum earlier in the year and in the pre-season, I'm fairly not a lot of people were anticipating the league race unfolding this way. I don't mean to be pugnacious, but I felt the need to call out Sager (albeit in a friendly manner) for his pre-season predictions. There are others out there who proclaimed that the loss of Ruths would render WU less effective and that simply hasn't happened.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 24, 2009, 05:47:39 PM
WashU at CMU will be webcast tomorrow, game is at 12:00 (noon):

http://www.cmu.edu/athletics/video/webcast.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2009, 11:10:47 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 23, 2009, 10:13:11 PM
Just sitting here waiting for Sager to acknowledge his woeful pre-season predictions...

What, the woeful preseason prediction that Chicago would be competitive? Sure, I acknowledge that. I acknowledged it a long time ago. Heck, why don't you ask each of the Top 25 pollsters that combined to put the Maroons in the #22 slot in the d3hoops.com preseason poll for their mea culpas as well?

Come to think of it, I don't remember you saying anything to the contrary. As a matter of fact, this is what you wrote in the off-season about the Maroons:

Quote from: Marty Peretz on May 27, 2008, 06:00:17 PM
As for next year, NYU will be much improved, Rochester will be in a definitive rebuilding year, Chicago will again be solid, I believe Carnegie is losing a lot, Case might grab a couple league wins, Emory should be decent, but Brandeis and Wash.U. will again be the cream of the crop. I see those two teams battling for the title with U of C and NYU finishing in a relatively distant 3rd and 4th, respectively.

You didn't exactly condemn Chicago to the ash heap, either. You said that the Maroons "will again be solid" and predicted that they'd finish third in the UAA. And this was my "woeful prediction":

Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 28, 2008, 12:11:56 AM
I think that you're seriously underestimating Chicago, Marty. Yes, the Maroons lose Nate Hainje, but they bring back both Matt Corning and Jake Pancratz -- and Adam Machones looks poised for a breakout 2008-09 campaign, based upon the way that he ended last season. If Mike McGrath can get more consistent play out of his big men next season, the Maroons have a puncher's chance to defend their UAA title.

As you can see by the words "if" and "puncher's chance", my admittedly woeful prediction didn't exactly involve me climbing out on a limb and predicting that Chicago was going to win the league.

Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 24, 2009, 05:01:24 PMI don't mean to be pugnacious, but I felt the need to call out Sager (albeit in a friendly manner) for his pre-season predictions. There are others out there who proclaimed that the loss of Ruths would render WU less effective and that simply hasn't happened.

I wasn't one of them. I never said a word about Ruths. Once again, your selective memory has failed you, Marty. In fact, this is what I said about the Bears:

Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 29, 2008, 03:53:49 AMWash U is the clear favorite to win the league, and I don't see how that can be argued against by anybody.

Here's a tip, Marty: The UAA room's archives are easily accessed if you're willing to take the time and go back through them. You might want to try it the next time that you decide to "call out Sager", or anybody else.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 25, 2009, 06:55:23 PM
WU cruises at Carnegie, 90-70. AT goes for 30 on 12-20 shooting, 6-11 from beyond the arch. Will the Bears regain the top spot in the national poll?

Deis also wins easily, setting up a crucial showdown on Friday in Waltham. If WU wins, they are really in the drivers seat for the league championship, but a Judges victory sets up a compelling homestretch in the UAA and further clarifies the fact that this really is a two team race.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 25, 2009, 08:25:30 PM
It might seem weird in a game that you give up 70 but I was impressed with Wash U's defensive intensity today.  There was a stretch early in the second half where Wash U's defense simply did not allow CMU's offense to get started.  AT's 30 was obviously a highlight as well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 25, 2009, 10:31:44 PM
Jc Delass (not sure of spelling) unambiguously declared WU the best team in the country and also said that he thinks they may be better than last year. I understand how my saying this since last April doesn't carry as much weight, as I am, admittedly, a partial observer. That said, JC is very respected and I think his statements should be taken as valid.

Gregory, I've been going back through the archives, per your request. I apologize for directing my wrath your way, as I now realize that it was DBlock who was making what have now amounted to woeful predictions and statements. There were some of yours that I still take issue with (and will touch on when I find more time), but DBlock's were the most egregious.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on January 25, 2009, 10:58:56 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 25, 2009, 10:31:44 PM
Jc Delass (not sure of spelling) unambiguously declared WU the best team in the country and also said that he thinks they may be better than last year. I understand how my saying this since last April doesn't carry as much weight, as I am, admittedly, a partial observer. That said, JC is very respected and I think his statements should be taken as valid.

He said Wash U is the best that he has seen.  I wonder how many Top 25 teams he has seen this year though.

Wash U is outstanding, but I just don't see any separation between the Bears and the WIAC's best, CCIW's best, St. Thomas, etc, etc.. 

Also note, the head coach at Anderson said on the show tonight that UW-Platteville is the best team he has seen (they played Wash U and Platteville on back-to-back nights).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2009, 06:29:08 AM
Yeah - talk about confusing... on Hoopsville last night (since no one mentioned the show's name! :-)), JC DeLass says Wash U is the best team he has seen this season (and mentioned he hadn't seen the likes of St. Thomas) and that he thought they were better than last year's championship team; Anderson coach Tom Slyder says he thinks UW-Platteville was the best they faced (and they saw Elmhurst and Wash U. as well); and we have had different opinions from others who have seen some of the top teams in the country. I would say that this season is easily the toughest at the top of the Top 25 we have seen in awhile. There could be five teams that people could argue should be #1. Of course, St. Thomas remaining undefeated is tough to argue against for many.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 26, 2009, 06:34:18 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 25, 2009, 10:58:56 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 25, 2009, 10:31:44 PM
Jc Delass (not sure of spelling) unambiguously declared WU the best team in the country and also said that he thinks they may be better than last year. I understand how my saying this since last April doesn't carry as much weight, as I am, admittedly, a partial observer. That said, JC is very respected and I think his statements should be taken as valid.

He said Wash U is the best that he has seen.  I wonder how many Top 25 teams he has seen this year though.

Wash U is outstanding, but I just don't see any separation between the Bears and the WIAC's best, CCIW's best, St. Thomas, etc, etc.. 

Also note, the head coach at Anderson said on the show tonight that UW-Platteville is the best team he has seen (they played Wash U and Platteville on back-to-back nights).

Wash U, Ithaca and CMU I believe.  And UR beat Wash U at home and lost by 1 (I believe) at Wash U, so yeah, Wash U looked better to me this year too.  Marty, it seems like you are hoping that the powers that be will just declare Wash U the "best" and hand them the Championship.  Relax and enjoy the rest of the season.  You really don't have to work so hard to convince people that Wash U is one of the best teams in the country.  We get it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on January 26, 2009, 11:14:11 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 25, 2009, 10:31:44 PM
Jc Delass (not sure of spelling) unambiguously declared WU the best team in the country and also said that he thinks they may be better than last year. I understand how my saying this since last April doesn't carry as much weight, as I am, admittedly, a partial observer. That said, JC is very respected and I think his statements should be taken as valid.

Gregory, I've been going back through the archives, per your request. I apologize for directing my wrath your way, as I now realize that it was DBlock who was making what have now amounted to woeful predictions and statements. There were some of yours that I still take issue with (and will touch on when I find more time), but DBlock's were the most egregious.

UAA PRESEASON POLL-
 
1. Washington 47 10-4 25-6
2. Chicago 43 11-3 18-8
3. Brandeis 39 10-4 23-6
4. Carnegie Mellon 28 6-8 19-9
5. Rochester 25 9-5 22-6
6. NYU 20 6-8 16-11
7. Emory 10 3-11 10-15
8. Case 9 1-13 8-17

MY PREASON PICKS-

1. Brandeis
2. Chicago
3. NYU/ Wash
4. NYU/ Wash
5. CMU
6. Rochester
7. Emory
8. Case

Maybe my vocabulary is struggling these days but I'm pretty sure that my picks weren't egregious at all. First of all I think that the season is still quite early and I like to keep my thoughts about every team to myself until the midway point of the UAA Schedule. Second of all, as it has been mentioned...over and over again, nobody, not even the great, omniscient, and UAA Guru Marty Perez foretold the unfortunate start that Chicago has gotten off to. The one thing that I have come to realize over the last 4 seasons is that the UAA is quite competitive and at any moment the fate of a team can be changed immediately. As a freshmen at NYU there was no doubt in my mind that Jason Boone was going to lead us two Back-2-Back National Championships, followed by a rebuilding year my junior year and a tourney run my senior year. That obviously has not happened. I learned my lesson quite quick of how a promising season can come to a screeching halt, my freshman year (05/06) we dropped 5/6 to miss the tourney. I would not count all of your chickens before they hatch Marty. I don't know what ties you have to the program Marty, but I'm pretty sure that the Bears don't like that you give teams bulletin board material every week. You act all high and mighty as if it's you scoring 30 a night, but it isn't. So do yourself a favor before Karma turns around and kicks in you the teeth, try rooting for your team with elegance and dignity. Try analyzing games from an objective point of view. If you notice with my EGREGIOUS picks, I backed up every pick with some logic. Though I may be wrong as of today in my picks, lets watch the rest of the season and see if some of my predictions don't come to fruition.

Now let's look at the recent games...

Friday-
Wash v Rochester- Quite honestly the Wash U victory at Rochester by thirty without their two best players means nothing to me. Yes the Bears went on the road into a hostile environment and put a beat down on Mr. Neer and co. but I have witnessed in person what Mike C. and Labanowski are capable of. The fact that you were compelled to think that a win versus a team without the main components in their system is something to brag about is quite EGREGIOUS.

Brandeis v CWRU- 16-point lead at half time? OUCH. As a player I always am of the mindset that a 15+ lead should be a definite win... ALWAYS. How did Kevin Herring drop 33? That is what I really would like to know.

Chicago v CMU- Tough loss for U of C. Holding Einwag to 7 probably should have earned them the w, but O'Rourke picked up the slack. Good win by CMU. I still fear Chicago. I think that they will rally around their awful start and end up beating teams that need crucial wins come tourney time.

NYU v Emory- Remember what I said about a 15+ lead? Yea we almost blew that. Emory is a gritty team and for sure they are no pushover. Fernandez is a scrappy undersized big who inspires his team and will get his buckets. Hixon showed some swagger dropping 16 alongside Fernandez. I see them upsetting the first team that sleeps on them.

Sunday-

Wash vs CMU- good win for Wash on the road at CMU. AT is a straight stroker apparently. We're going to make sure who ever guards him is in his powerliners all game long. LOCK AND TRAIL BABY! What surprises me about this game is that CMU's bigs didn't go to work. CMU impressed me with the development of Bouldin-Johnson and Rife, I think that they need to be featured more in that offense.

Brandeis v Emory- When Brandeis attacks you with 4 different guys its really hard to compete with them. They are talented and they continue to put together great games. They are going to be a force in the UAA and in National Scheme of things. (Allen, I'm not holding your predictions for two NYU losses against you and the Judges)

Chicago v Rochester- I thought this was Chicago's shot to turn the season around. Big showing by Mike C., the kid is a gamer. Corning really didn't come through in the clutch. Good win for Rochester. Tough loss for Chitown.

NYU v CWRU- Tough game. CWRU came out firing; Reid Anderson (D1 Transfer from U of Albany) was stroking it, dropping 12 in the first half. CWRU shot 48% to NYU's 24%. The second half showed NYU really buckling down and playing great team ball. John Mish dominated in the post drawing foul after foul, Keith Jensen locked up Anderson in the 2nd half holding him to 3 points while pouring in 16 including a pretty one handed flush down the middle of the paint with Anderson on his hip in traffic. The team defense spurred a 15-0 run by NYU and CWRU was obviously frustrated. Freshmen Tom Sommers had a nasty foul on Mish and was tossed by the Ref but somehow NYU wasn't awarded any Techs or a Flagrant Foul. NYU ended up shooting 57.7% in the 2nd half including 75% from long distance. It was a HUGE win for the Bobcats.

NYU hasn't fallen apart ladies and gents. We had a tough beginning to our UAA season but we're back on track and looking forward to our first BIG game at Coles on Friday Night.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 26, 2009, 12:42:06 PM
Regardless of pre-season predictions, by any posters and pollsters, I think the Bears themselves have been going into each game with a healthly level of respect for each opponent.  You are never quite as good or as bad as you think you are.  If my math is correct Wash U is 3 and 1 versus NYU the past two seasons with Wash U scoring 254 points in those games and NYU scoring 253.  Wash U is 2-2 versus Brandeis the past two seasons with the Judges scoring 282 points and the Bears scoring 280.  Those are razor thin margins and I expect nothing less this coming weekend, when the Bears visit the east coast and the following week when NYU and Brandeis travel to St. Louis.  From my screenname it's obvious that I follow AT's career closely.  Again if my numbers are correct he has averaged 6.6 pts/game in those eight contests.  NYU and Brandeis have kept a very close eye on AT and have defended him very well and I'm sure that he and the Bears expect the same in the upcoming games. 

:)I don't care about series history prior to that and haven't looked at those numbers.  When AT finishes his career at Wash U I'll go back to following the Bluffton University Beavers. That is until AT2 makes his college choice in 2013.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 26, 2009, 02:17:42 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 25, 2009, 10:58:56 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 25, 2009, 10:31:44 PM
Jc Delass (not sure of spelling) unambiguously declared WU the best team in the country and also said that he thinks they may be better than last year. I understand how my saying this since last April doesn't carry as much weight, as I am, admittedly, a partial observer. That said, JC is very respected and I think his statements should be taken as valid.

He said Wash U is the best that he has seen.  I wonder how many Top 25 teams he has seen this year though.

Wash U is outstanding, but I just don't see any separation between the Bears and the WIAC's best, CCIW's best, St. Thomas, etc, etc.. 

Also note, the head coach at Anderson said on the show tonight that UW-Platteville is the best team he has seen (they played Wash U and Platteville on back-to-back nights).

Another coach with whom I spoke (who shall remain nameless), who has seen Wash U, UW-Platteville, and Wheaton (with a healthy Raymond), put the Pioneers at the top of his list as well. He hasn't seen St. Thomas, though. The Tommies are the great unknown at this point. I'd like to hear from some of the WIAC people who may have seen UW-River Falls @ UST or UW-LaCrosse @ UST (or both) as to how the Tommies compare to the Pioneers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 26, 2009, 05:08:08 PM
DBlock,
If my posts are bulletin board material, then UAA teams have a hard time getting up for games. Furthermore, the only people I've given bulletin board material to are you and Sager, so if you want to dock me karma points and put up my posts in your cubicles, go right ahead. I hope you feel emboldened and that somehow your teams will be inspired to beat Wash.U. for the sake of message board pride.

Apparently friendly trash talking about your weak analysis now serves as motivation for UAA opponents? With the exception of the infamous Mike "Tyson" DeCorso, I don't think there's a single UAA player I've ever called out on this board. I've stated that some are inferior to others, but I have seldom talked smack about a UAA hoopster.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on January 26, 2009, 07:40:50 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 26, 2009, 05:08:08 PM
DBlock,
If my posts are bulletin board material, then UAA teams have a hard time getting up for games. Furthermore, the only people I've given bulletin board material to are you and Sager, so if you want to dock me karma points and put up my posts in your cubicles, go right ahead. I hope you feel emboldened and that somehow your teams will be inspired to beat Wash.U. for the sake of message board pride.

Apparently friendly trash talking about your weak analysis now serves as motivation for UAA opponents? With the exception of the infamous Mike "Tyson" DeCorso, I don't think there's a single UAA player I've ever called out on this board. I've stated that some are inferior to others, but I have seldom talked smack about a UAA hoopster.

COACH Mike 'Tyson' Decorso sends his best Marty. As for Bulletin Board material? whenever someone says that a team is out of the picture for the conference race, 4 games into the season, that's worth mentioning...

Sean Wallis told me that he would introduce us on Sunday, I can't wait to give you big hug!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 26, 2009, 10:39:22 PM
Dblock--

I have not made my predictions for the games on Saturday, Feb. 28 yet.  I remember what happened in 1989 very well, as I witnessed NYU win the rematch in 1989 at Brandeis's old home, the Shapiro Gym-- after Brandeis won by 27 at Coles Center.  I also remember that previous history in February Brandeis v NYU "Senior Day" games at Coles Center has NYU blowing out Brandeis most of the time.  The Feb. 2007 game at Coles Center was a very tough affair-- it turned out to be an NCAA elimination game-- the winner of that game (Brandeis) got a Pool C pick, while the loser (NYU) had to settle for winning the ECAC Metro Championship.

I also remember that the New York Comic Con and the American Anime Awards were also held on the same weekend that Brandeis won 2 years ago, so I had a good time there.  Those events will not be happening on the weekend that Brandeis travels to NYU this time around-- and I have been to the Coles Center many times and have seen both Brandeis teams get blown out at Coles many times over the years that I have been following the Judges-- so an NYU sweep on Feb. 28 will not surprise or shock me in the least.

Brandeis still has 5 road UAA games remaining, as well as the Wash U/Chicago pair for the next 2 weeks, so a lot could happen, and Brandeis could very well be out of Pool C contention by the time that Feb. 28 rolls around. 

To be honest, I am leaning against spending at least $100 for the Feb. 28 weekend for me to travel to New York and spend 2 nights in a hotel in New Jersey this time around only to see 2 NYU victories in this recession and in this go around.-- I want to make sure to take care of my personal health and my finances this time around.  I've been to New York many times to watch Brandeis v NYU in person, and the fact that NYU is declaring this game to be a "Tear It Up" event has me on edge-- I remember the first time that I went to Coles back in the late 80s-- early 90s as a Brandeis student, and the culture shock and the rowdiness of the NYU fans that I encountered there on my first visit made me avoid the Coles Center for years afterwards-- until 2001 that is, when I saw the Emmanuel women beat NYU at Coles in the NCAA tournament.  My decision could change if the Brandeis men win enough games between now and Feb. 28 to put the rematch at NYU into the same status that the game on Feb. of 2007 had-- right now, as good as Brandeis is playing right now, NCAA chances look to be very slim for Brandeis right now.

First things first though-- I have Wash U at Brandeis this Friday to get fired up about.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 26, 2009, 10:43:35 PM
Allen,
Wish I could be there Friday, but the trip from NY is going to be too tough to make with work and other engagements. Good luck to your Judges; this one really worries me.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 27, 2009, 08:01:57 AM
For people who can't make it to Brandeis on Friday, Brandeis is not yet putting their home games on streaming video, but there will be live stats and the WBRS audiocast for the Wash U at Brandeis game-- just a reminder.

As for Marty's situation, you can follow the Friday game on-line and catch Wash U at NYU in person on Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on January 28, 2009, 11:18:33 AM
Allen,

If you need a ride on Friday night (coming or going), let me know. I probably don't have the time to get down to Canton before the game but I'll be in Boston and can pick you up from the T.

That goes for anyone else, as well, subject to space.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 30, 2009, 04:55:23 AM
Don't worry.

My friend will be able to make it and take me home to Canton, MA after the doubleheader, but I may be going to Brandeis early.  I spoke to him yesterday.

Anyway, my picks for this weekend:

Friday, January 30, 2009

1.)  Wash U at Brandeis-- Honestly, I don't know what to make of this one.  I wouldn't be surprised if Wash U wins this one easily this go-around.  Brandeis will give one heck of a game-- I'm hoping that this will be the case-- but based on my experience the past few years with this series, I'm picking Wash U to win. (On a rational basis.)

2.)  Chicago at NYU-- NYU, but the win will be by single digits.

3.)  Rochester at Case-- Rochester wins this one with Mike C back.  Case will put up a tough fight, and it would not surprise me if Case leads this one by double digits early.

4.)  Carnegie Mellon at Emory-- Carnegie Mellon

Sunday, Feb. 1, 2009

1.)  Wash U at NYU-- Wash U

2.)  Chicago at Brandeis-- Brandeis finally gets past the Chicago hump, but the game will not be easy.  The Maroons will fight until the end.

3.)  Rochester at Emory-- Rochester

4.)  Carnegie Mellon at Case-- Carnegie Mellon
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 30, 2009, 06:48:26 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 27, 2009, 08:01:57 AM
For people who can't make it to Brandeis on Friday, Brandeis is not yet putting their home games on streaming video, but there will be live stats and the WBRS audiocast for the Wash U at Brandeis game-- just a reminder.

As for Marty's situation, you can follow the Friday game on-line and catch Wash U at NYU in person on Sunday.

Well, as long as they are considering selling off some art from the Rose, maybe they could buy some video equipment! :) ... just kidding
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on January 30, 2009, 07:12:04 PM
I'm live from Brandeis, midway through the second half of the womens' game (40-38 WU).

I'll update the men's game once we get going.

First time for live blogging!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 30, 2009, 08:19:11 PM
Cheap but fair comment about the rose art museum, I know this is not a forum for this type of discussion, but maybe it could be. The university is one of only 2 in the UAA with an endowment under 1 billion. Can you guess the other....CMU (although they have so many other smaller seperate endowments and trusts that they do not have much to worry about). The Rose's collection is valued at 350 to 400 million, and there were plans to build a 20+ million dollar studio art complex that there is no longer funding for and the Rose will be turned into, so add the opportunity cost and the addition to the endowment is more than significant.

A loss of culture, perhaps, but less than 15,000 viewed the art at the museum itself each year. The basketball team saw more activity at a school that does not take its athletics all that seriously (I refer to the student body) and takes its art extremely seriously.

Just putting that out there, I may be one of the few Alums that is not up in arms about this...maybe I should be?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 30, 2009, 08:53:15 PM
Wash.U. men lead Deis at half, 37-33. Were up by as many as 11, but the Judges did a nice job cutting the lead. Should be an exciting second half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on January 30, 2009, 08:55:29 PM
WashU 37, Brandeis 33 at half.

WashU got the lead up to 10 due to some poor Brandeis defense yielding a lot of open shots.

Brandeis tightened up the D and cut it to four at the half. WashU having a lot of trouble with the physical play of the Judges, as the refs are really letting them play (only 14 fouls in the half).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 30, 2009, 09:19:10 PM
The Bears have a very balanced offensive attack thus far with no players in double figures but many with 6 or 8
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: T990 on January 30, 2009, 09:38:09 PM
After trailing most of the game, UR took the lead w/ about :11 left to beat Case 78-75.   17-8 stretch by UR to finish the game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 30, 2009, 09:43:54 PM
Interesting pause in the WU/BRANDEIS game, as a breakdancing performance during a time out went wrong and a performer is down on the court. Not sure who this break in the action helps more.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on January 30, 2009, 09:47:27 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on January 30, 2009, 09:43:54 PM
Interesting pause in the WU/BRANDEIS game, as a breakdancing performance during a time out went wrong and a performer is down on the court. Not sure who this break in the action helps more.

Yeah, it's really weird here, 4:29 to go, WashU up 71-63.

Dancer goes down with apparent broken leg. They're waiting for the stretcher at this point. Teams are warming up at their baskets like it's pregame (there's about 15 people huddled around the dancer at midcourt).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on January 30, 2009, 10:00:58 PM
any announcement on whether the dancer was a student or a member of the group status quo from america's next dance crew on MTV as rumored?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 30, 2009, 10:21:15 PM
Bears win 80-75. Good basketball game, but (at least from listening on the radio), you never really got the idea that the game was in doubt. Call me presumptuous or biased, but I think it's pretty tough to argue that Wash.U. isn't in terrific position to take the league title with 8 games to play and 5 of those being in St. Louis, including the three against the UAA's current 2-4 teams.

Looking forward to my first live look at the Bears on Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 30, 2009, 10:36:31 PM
AT had 18 his highest total against Brandeis.  Tyler Nading held Deluca down a bit.  Wash U was able to answer Brandeis' runs just enough to pull out  a tight game.  The break in the action was certainly one of the stranger reasons to stop a game that I have heard of.  Wash U goes into NYU Sunday not as rested as they went into CMU last weekend.  Had the Case game on as well, the Spartans just can't finish a game. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 30, 2009, 10:53:20 PM
Quote from: WashU33Fan on January 30, 2009, 10:36:31 PM
AT had 18 his highest total against Brandeis.  Tyler Nading held Deluca down a bit.  Wash U was able to answer Brandeis' runs just enough to pull out  a tight game.  The break in the action was certainly one of the stranger reasons to stop a game that I have heard of.  Wash U goes into NYU Sunday not as rested as they went into CMU last weekend.  Had the Case game on as well, the Spartans just can't finish a game. 

No disrespect to NYU but, unless they start playing drastically better, I dont think WashU has much to worry about.  NYU goes down to Chicago tonight.  It was Chicago's first road win of the year.

CMU also beats Emory (improving to 4-2 in the UAA), winning for the first time in Atlanta since 1995 (had lost previous 13 matchups in the ATL).

There is now a log-jam for second in the UAA with Brandeis, Rochester and CMU all at 4-2.  So far, CMU has beaten Rochester, Rochester has beaten Brandeis, Brandeis has beaten CMU, and all 3 have lost to WashU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tommygun on January 31, 2009, 08:35:05 AM
4 for the road teams last night.  I think at this point things are pretty clear.  Wash was and remains clearly the best team.  Brandeis, CMU, and Rochester are in the next tier below them, and are the teams with realistic shots at the NCAA's.  CMU remains in extremely good shape, as I think a 4-4 finish which with their remaining schedule they should get relatively easily should be enough.  Rochester probably needs a 5-3 finish which is a little tougher task but still extremely doable.  Brandeis on the other hand is in some trouble.  They really needed last night's game to give them some breathing room.  If they lose at Wash (a reasonable assumption,) then they are running out of room.  They need to run the table (other than Wash.) to be safe.  Of all the teams they might be the most likely to get in at 17-8, however, to do that they would need to win six out of seven.  To top things off they got 5 home games the first go round.  So they still have games at Rochester, CMU, Chicago, and NYU.   A very tall order for the Judges.  My gut tells me they have the second best team in the league so if anyone can do it they can.  However, they've been plagued by inconsistency and winning all of those games is tough for any team.  So they are now completely up against it.

As for the rest, I would rank Case, Chicago, and NYU in the next group with NYU maybe being a notch above.  Maybe.  Anyway and no disrespect to dblock and his ardent NYU support, but they are, at this point, clearly not as good as the teams mentioned above.  There is no reason to believe they are going to be able to handle Wash at this point.  It's a shame Case can't finish or they might be above these two teams.

As for Emory they seem to be the same as last year, only without Ferdirigos so they can't score, it's hard to see them winning more than a game or two.

All right have a good day.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WAS A PLAYER on January 31, 2009, 10:25:02 AM
Marty, I for one, love your loyalty. There are a few here on the board (not I) that get irritated at your redundancy. Wash U is obviously in the best position, but a wise man once told me "the minute you think you are good, you are not". I think the Wash U players realize this and this is one of the things that makes this team special. They look past no team. The UAA is still the UAA and there are no gimmies. The remaining games should be very interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on February 01, 2009, 12:20:19 PM
Wash u starts out 0 - 9 vs NYU, but has since out scored them 17-3 behind 3 3 pointers from Aaron Thompson....

Yikes, now 28-12   on a 28 to 3 run by Wash U!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 01, 2009, 01:32:21 PM
CMU in trouble, down 6 with under 4 to play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on February 01, 2009, 01:35:47 PM
Wash U four for four on the road in two weekends, beating NYU 67-56
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 01, 2009, 01:40:04 PM
Under 1:30 from Cleveland, Case up 5.  CMU hasnt played too well in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 01, 2009, 01:46:02 PM
45 s left.  CMU with the ball, down 3.  Case has made two turnovers in a row.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 01, 2009, 01:51:31 PM
Looks like CMU will drop this one on the road. Down 8 with a few seconds to go.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 01, 2009, 05:06:28 PM
Wash.U struggled a bit today, but ultimately toughed it out and found a way to win. For a ten minute stretch in the second half, it appeared as if fatigue might catch up with the Bears, but Aaron Thompson took over down the stretch and ensured that Wash.U. would up its record to 17-1, 7-0 in the conference. I think that, had NYU won Friday night, today could possibly have been a different game, but the Violets looked similarly tired and didn't have enough in the tank to overcome Wash.U's early run (28-3 after starting the game down 9-0) and superior depth.

Not the prettiest game to watch at the Cole Center, as both teams put forward performances that at times looked lackluster. Then again, it's incredibly difficult to play 40 solid minutes considering the travel and the rigors of Friday night (the latter of which goes for both teams). Thompson proved why he is the front runner for UAA POY with his performance. He pretty much single handedly put the Bears on his back before an almost 50/50 WU/NYU crowd. Wash.U alums turned out in force and a number of families were in attendance which was nice to see.

And wow was Dylan Richter's alley-oop special. That kid is going to be a serious player.

NYU had some impressive play from their bigs and I think they will go 4-3 or 5-2 down the stretch. If they can beat Deis on the final day of the season, the tournament is an outside possibility, but ECAC play seems more likely. That loss to U of C is unfortunate because they are pretty solid.

As for next weekend...since it really is close to impossible to go undefeated in UAA play (has it ever been done?), I fear that the Judges might steal one on Sunday. Home court advantage at the Field House exists to a ten times greater extent on Fridays than it does on Sundays and Deis will likely be well rested. They also realize that they need one more marquee win and a 6-1 (maybe 5-2 if they beat WU on the road) record to close the season if they want to ensure themselves of a spot in the post season. Im not sure Wash.U. can play the way they did against NYU in the first 5 minutes and come away with a win, but I do think being at home will help to some degree even if it is a Sunday affair.


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on February 01, 2009, 06:13:59 PM
Case was up by 8 with 1:30 left, and before you could yawn and say "I've seen this all before," the lead was down to three and CMU had the ball.  But lo and behold, CMU fumbled the ball over the baseline, giving the ball back to Case with less than a minute left.  CMU, not trusting that the heretofore reliable basketball gods would smite Case once again, decided it was time to foul, and Case was able to seal the win from the line.  A very nice with for the RoughRiders of Case Tech.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 02, 2009, 07:33:53 AM
[quote author=Marty Peretz link=topic=639.msg1025384#msg1025384 date=123352598

As for next weekend...since it really is close to impossible to go undefeated in UAA play (has it ever been done?)
[/quote]

Marty, of course it has been done!  Everybody knows about the Wash U dynasty consisting of Alia Fischer, Tasha Rodgers, et. al. on the women's side, but Wash U has gone undefeated in UAA play on the men's side too.

It happened last in the 2001-2002 season.

Courtesy of the UAA Website's archives season, here are the final standings of that season:

2001-2002 Men's UAA Standings

1.)  Wash U 14-0, 25-2
2.)  Rochester 12-2, 24-6
3.)  Chicago 10-4, 15-10
4.)  NYU 7-7, 14-11
5.)  Emory 4-10, 9-16
6.)  Brandeis 3-11, 8-17
      CMU    3-11, 9-16
      Case 3-11, 7-17

2001-2002 Player of the Year:  Derek Reich, Chicago
2001-2002 Rookie of the Year:  Seth Hauben, Rochester
2001-2002 Coaching Staff of Year:  Rochester

The NCAA Tournament was a field of 48 back then.  Wash U got the automatic bid, while Rochester got a Pool C bid.

Wash U got a first round bye, beat Maryville (TN) in the second round, and then lost in the Sweet 16 to DePauw.  Otterbein defeated DePauw the next day in the Elite 8 and went on to win the national championship.

Rochester made it to the Final Four, lost to Carthage in one national semifinal, and then lost in overtime to Elizabethtown in the Third Place Game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on February 02, 2009, 04:52:22 PM
Quite a furstrating weekend for NYU.

On Friday against the Maroons, NYU controlled the entire game until the last few minutes when it become a close one. Chicago ended up pulling out the 'W'. NYU outboarded and shot a high fg percentage but still managed to lose the game. Chicago played real tough Corning with 23, Kinsella with and Machones with 15. NYU had 4 in double digits including team captain John Mish with 15 and 10. Pretty bad loss.

Sunday brought Wash U to Coles. NYU came out firing wich mad for an early 10-1 lead. Then Wash turned it on via AT's jumper going on a mindnumbing 27-2 run. NYU fought back to be down 9 at half. The second half consisted of NYU cutting into the lead only for Wash to bury a treyball or convert an old fashioned 3pt play. Wallis' fadeaway threeball from the deepcorner off an airball extended the lead from 5 to 8 with 1:29 to go and it was a wrap from there. There's no such thing as a good loss but we can take positives from the game.

Here is my Mid-Season Report-

Wash U- Solid team. Everyone can stroke it really well. They run their offense weel, are chippy on defense and know to get the rock to AT. I think that their weakness is their post game and if they ever run into a BAD shooting night, it's going to be a rough game.

Brandeis- I think that Brandeis is man for man the most talented team in the UAA. I personally do not understand how they lose games. They simply shouldn't. Olson is a legit shooter, De Luca is a scoring threat whereever he is on the court, Hollins is a beast who should be dropping double doubles every night, Roberson can swish and dish, he reminds me of a young Graves-Fulgram, and the bench is deep. If they put it all together they could be beating teams by 20-30 on the regular.

CMU- I just have a hardtime thinking that CMU is a very good team. Granted they did put a 21 spot on us at home. CMU has shooters and if they are hitting you're in trouble. Decent bigs but suspect ball handlers.

Rochester- Stop Mike C. and you win the ball game.

Case- Anderson can shoot but literally that is all he can do. Wash U's AT can swish but he also puts it on the floor and scores, same for Mike C., Einwag etc... Steve Young is also a hit or a miss. I think the Case v NYU at Case is exactly what Case is. They can beat you on any night or they can completely fold and lose.

Emory- Scrappy. Nobody really stood out on Emory but they never quit and played really hard the entire game.

Chicago- Corning, Machones, Kinsella. Key to Chicago's performance. Keep them quiet and they aren't going to do much.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 02, 2009, 08:03:37 PM
Anyone have first half all conference picks? Obviously just one half of conference play is complete, but surely people have thoughts.

Right now I'm watching to see who takes POY which, as of this moment, seems to be a clear race between Mike C and AT. Einwag would be my sleeper pick if he could somehow lead Carnegie to a 6-1 or 7-0 finish. It's too bad Mike C didn't play against Wash.U. the first time around because that could have gone a long way toward bolstering his case.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 02, 2009, 08:11:52 PM
Quote from: dblock on February 02, 2009, 04:52:22 PM
CMU- I just have a hardtime thinking that CMU is a very good team. Granted they did put a 21 spot on us at home. CMU has shooters and if they are hitting you're in trouble. Decent bigs but suspect ball handlers.

CMU has ball handlers.  They have talent.  What their main problem is suspect decision making by everyone besides Einwag.  Einwag (and maybe Bouldin Johnson) are the only players who play within themselves.  Many of their other key players seem to try to do things that they arent capable of or shouldnt do for the better of the team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tommygun on February 02, 2009, 11:53:57 PM
Going into the second half of league play and the UAA's pool C chances took a major hit yesterday.  Rochester loses to Emory and CMU loses to Case.  I still believe the UAA has four teams with realistic chances to make the tournament. 
However, they better start winning.  I think Rochester has to go 5-2 down the stretch.  The good news for them is they have five home games the second half of the season.  CMU probably has a little better situation as I think with wins over some of the better teams in the GL (Wooster, John Carroll, etc.) they will be in with 18 wins, so they only need 4-3, however they would be well served to win both games this weekend, (home for Emory and Case.)  Brandeis as I mentioned in my last post also needs at least 5-2 (that would give them 17 and I think that because of their really tough non-conference schedule that might be enough.  However, they have 5 road games so that is going to be easier said than done.  I also agree with the consensus that they are at worst the second best team in the league, so this will make their task a little easier as they will be playing this game with better players.

Finally I think you guys are being a little hard on CMU.  I have zero vested interest in this.  I am not and have never been affiliated with any team in the league.  That said by looking at the last few years at their team page, they have beaten NYU 6 out of 9 over the last 5 years and and 8 out of 13 over the last 7.  NYU has not swept both games in the season over this span, and I think CMU would be a fairly substantial favorite in the game later this year at CMU which if they win would be 7 out of 10, which is fairly one-sided. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tommygun on February 03, 2009, 12:12:56 AM
I accidentally hit the enter key, I was going to finish by saying CMU has lost this year to Wash (the defending national champ,) at Brandeis who everyone, including me, thinks is really good, at Richard Stockton who I didn't look at how they are right now, but I know they have been ranked in the top 25 a good chunk of the season, and they're only not so great loss is at Case who has been beating everybody by about 20 at some point over the last couple of weekends on the Sunday game.  I'm not sure how much better you want them to be.  It seems like their results compare fairly favorably with everyone else's, (save Wash,) so if we're going to pick on them, what about Rochester, Brandeis, and NYU, who we seem to want to say are better than them, but seem to be every bit, if not more, inconsistent and in certainly in NYU's  case can't come close to the quality of wins that CMU has produced, (Wooster, JCU, Catholic, Rochester, NYU, etc.)

Again, I don't give a whit if CMU beats NYU, Rochester, or Brandeis, or vice versa, however it seems dblock and hugenerd are taking pot shots at them which the evidence doesn't seem to back up, actually quite the contrary.

Anyway you guys are certainly entitled to your opinion, however, I think their are teams that have a lot bigger problems and a lot more explaining to do than CMU.  I'm not sure how good you want them to be.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 03, 2009, 06:52:07 AM
Quote from: tommygun on February 03, 2009, 12:12:56 AM
I'm not sure how much better you want them to be. 

I want them to play up to their potential.  They should not be losing to Case Western at this point in the season if they are a top 25 team.

Quote from: tommygun on February 03, 2009, 12:12:56 AM
Again, I don't give a whit if CMU beats NYU, Rochester, or Brandeis, or vice versa, however it seems dblock and hugenerd are taking pot shots at them which the evidence doesn't seem to back up, actually quite the contrary.

I am not taking pot shots at CMU, I was making an observation from watching them play (while it appears that your opinion is based on merely looking at their record).  I am a former CMU basketball player so I have no reason to take shots at them.  If you you look back at this board I have been a very strong supporter over the years (and I still am).  I just have higher expectations than most.  If you read my post, all I said is that they have all the talent, some of their players just seem to force things that they dont need to.  For example, some players may be better at distributing the ball but in some games try to take too many shots, which hurts the team, or other players may try to do it themselves too much when the team would be better off if they played within the offense.  From the 5 or so games I have seen them play (I saw them at Brandeis in person, and I have seen 4 or 5 games online on the CMU video), I feel very confident in my opinion.  CMU plays well when everyone is doing what they are supposed to do. 

If you want to make some uninformed conclusion from looking at their overall record, saying "I'm not sure how much better you want them to be." Well then I guess that is your right, but it doesnt make it sound like you know very much about basketball.  That sounds like a comment my wife would make, and she doesnt know anything about basketball. 

CMU should not lose to Case, and if they had played together as a team they shouldnt have lost at Brandeis either.  In that game, CMU had ample oppurtunities to make plays, but some players made poor decisions, such as taking shots they should not have or trying to go 1 on 2 or 1 on 3 through the lane.  If they had played even slightly better, they should be sitting at 16-2, an almost lock for the NCAAs, rather than at 14-4, where they have a real chance at not making the tournament with 3 or 4 more losses.  I also disagree with you that they make the tourney easily at 18-7.  You are listing these quality wins, but you are not taking into account that Rochester, NYU, and Wooster are not likely NCAA teams (JCU and Catholic are in similar positions as CMU with 4 or 5 losses). So, although they may be quality wins, they arent necessarily wins against tournament teams.  They probably have a decent chance at making it at 19-6, but I think with the status of the UAA (they arent the top ranked league in the country like the last couple years, Massey has them as 5th), they really need to finish 2nd in the conference to lock up a bid.  Brandeis has very little room for error because of their out of conference losses and NYU has no chance unless they end up with a winning record in conference  (that means they would have to win out or maybe have one loss the rest of the way, which they have no chance of doing). Rochester has also been hurt by their injuries, at 13-5 they need to be almost perfect from here on out to have a good shot (but they are in a better position than NYU at 13-5).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tommygun on February 03, 2009, 10:36:38 AM
Hugenerd, I think you are making my point for me.  I feel that because you played at CMU you are holding them to a higher standard than everyone else, which is certainly your right.  However, I stand by my point that they have one debateable loss.  This seems to upset you, but the same thing happened to Rochester.  Last year Wash U lost at CMU by 35, these things happen from time to time.  Case has played everyone in the league unbelievably tough in the past few weeks.  They let a couple get away, but they had Rochester on the ropes, Brandeis on the ropes and NYU on the ropes, you know as well as I do that road game on Sunday are tough one's.  I don't think Chicago is 35 points worse than Brandeis, (and scoring less than 40 points overall is laughable.)  I don't think Rochester is worse than Emory, and I don't think Wash normally struggles with NYU.  All four things happened on Sunday, it is well known that the Sunday game is tough for the road team.  So CMU losing to Case, while disappointing for CMU fans, happens from time to time, it is what makes the league so tough.

I am not questioning that CMU maybe could be a little better, but I didn't go to CMU.  It seems to me that if we want to break them apart, we are being a little unfair.  Teams have issues, very few play perfectly.  People go to games all the time and say why is team such and such doing this.  Why doesn't this guy play more, or why doesn't this guy shoot more.  It happens all the time.  Brandeis, Rochester, NYU, certainly Chicago all have games and my guess would be overriding issues that an outside observer would say "why is that happening?" 

I would take CMU's season so far over everyone in the league's except Wash U.  They seem to play as well as Brandeis (a reasonable loss at Brandeis, who was also getting smoked at Case for a lot of the game,) who everyone, (or at least everyone else,) seems to think has more talent than CMU.  Rochester just lost at Emory and no one seems to have a huge problem with this.  And NYU just lost four home games in the league in the first trip through, including by 21 to CMU.

All I am saying is you seem to look at them through a magnifying glass, which is fine, but you seem like a parent in some ways, and possibly your expectations, much like dblock for NYU, I would argue are a little unrealistic.  You seem to want perfection.  I would say that CMU, picked fourth in the UAA, and I did re-read your posts and you seemed to think that was about right at the time, is exceeding expectation, and now you seem to want them to be 16-2.  It just seems like all of the sudden things have changed.  You seem to feel some of the players take bad shots, etc.  I don't doubt this is true, however if they are as talented as you think, than sometimes teams like that take tougher shots in my opinion.  Looking at their stats certainly their fg% is solid, not great, but not bad either, (right in the middle of the pack for the UAA.)  They don't shoot the three very well, however they also don't take very many (less than 25% of their total shots, which is really low for a college basketball team,) that seems to show some shot discipline anyway.  Also, they are last in FT%, so it strikes me that they probably just don't shoot the ball very well.  Looking at their stats, it seems that Anderson's fg% is a little low (40%, again not great, but he's one of their action guys and 40% isn't god awful, it's a little low, there are teams that shoot 40%. O'Rourke's is dreadful, but he only takes about 5 shots a game in a lot of minutes, so again does he shoot too much, maybe, but it's rare you see someone not shoot at all and he has to keep them honest.  But everyone else is good to very good.  Anyway now I am looking at them with a fine tooth comb too.  Which is what I think is a little unfair.

I certainly don't watch them as much as you, but they're results seem pretty solid.  If simply stating that they seem to win a lot and do better than everyone, (except you,) thinks they should means I don't know what I'm talking about, then so be it.  I think it is unfair to expect me to have the same insight into CMU basketball as you.  To say I don't know basketball seems to be a little arrogant on your part.  I don't follow them as closely as you do, because I didn't go there, but I think that is the problem here.  You having gone there, want them to play better than anyone else thinks is justified, not unusual with parents, alums, etc, in my experience.  My guess is if you followed any other team in the league the same way, (again with the possible exception of Wash U.) you would feel the same way about that team, that there are things they could do better and therefore they aren't playing as well as they possibly could be.  I just feel that looking at the league as a whole, that CMU is doing well, better than I thought they would, the Case loss excluded, but again that happens, just ask Rochester.  Within the context of all the teams Carnegie Mellon is having a very good year.  If you go over them looking for every little flaw, than like the vast majority of teams, you are bound to find some.

My final point is again I was speaking toward your and dblock points.  He doesn't think they are very talented, and he has seen them, so how does he explain the fact they win a lot.  You are convinced they are more talented than their record, which would make them top 10 in the country.  So which is it, are the not very talented and lucky, or are they super talented and performing poorly.  My guess is, in the grand scheme of things, neither.  They probably are within their potential range for this year and toward the high end of that range.  They have been as high as 11th in the country and in the top 25 all year (23rd this week.)  Much better than anyone, including you, thought before the season.  Once again I don't care if CMU is good or not, it just seems like they all of the sudden are being held to a higher standard than everyone else, and I'm not sure why, except you went there.  Which again is fine.  If you think they should be 16-2 and number 8 in the nation, I don't have a problem with that.  But again, nobody, and I mean nobody, thought they should be that good before the season.  People thought Brandeis should be that good before the season.  If before the season someone looked at them, or you, I would bet, and said 18 games in you're 14-4 take it or leave it, they, would have, and my guess is you would have, taken it. 

So I also stand by my point, I think all in all, without going over them with a fine tooth comb, which I'm not doing to anyone else either, they are having a very good season.  Could they be a little bit better?  Maybe, but I think most teams could probably be a little bit better, if everything went perfect.  Could they be a lot worse too, absolutely.  Getting 15 kids on board and playing close to their potential (maybe not their peak absolute top potential, but certainly toward their potential,) which CMU seems to be doing, puts them ahead of a lot, if not most, teams. And, as such, means they are having a very good year, although not upto your standards, which seem a little high in my opinion.  You follow the tournament stuff closer than I do, so I will acquiesce to you on these points.  It seems to me over the past few years (since tournament expansion,) that UAA teams with solid non-conference records get in with 18 wins.  Is this a perfect measure, of course not, just a rule of thumb.  Based on that I think CMU is in with 18 regardless if they are second in the league or not, which I don't think the committee cares a whole lot about due to none of the teams playing in the same region.  Could I be wrong, of course.  But assuming I'm right, once again if you had said before the season, going into the second half of the league all CMU has to do to get in the tournament is go 4-3 most of us wouldn't have believed it, and said wow they must be having a very good year.  Which in my humble opinion they are, not a perfect year, a very good year.  All right this got long.  Hugenerd I hope CMU plays as well as you wish and we see them in the final 8 along with all the other UAA schools, I'm not sure it's realistic, but I hope it happens.  It's a good league with true student-athletes and I like seeing all the teams do well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tommygun on February 03, 2009, 10:43:02 AM
Sorry I didn't have to work this morning, and that was longer than I realized I will work to keep it much briefer in the future, so you don't need your lunch break to read it  :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 03, 2009, 11:23:22 AM
Quote from: tommygun on February 03, 2009, 10:36:38 AM
Hugenerd, I think you are making my point for me.  I feel that because you played at CMU you are holding them to a higher standard than everyone else, which is certainly your right.  However, I stand by my point that they have one debateable loss.  This seems to upset you, but the same thing happened to Rochester.  Last year Wash U lost at CMU by 35, these things happen from time to time.  Case has played everyone in the league unbelievably tough in the past few weeks.  They let a couple get away, but they had Rochester on the ropes, Brandeis on the ropes and NYU on the ropes, you know as well as I do that road game on Sunday are tough one's.  I don't think Chicago is 35 points worse than Brandeis, (and scoring less than 40 points overall is laughable.)  I don't think Rochester is worse than Emory, and I don't think Wash normally struggles with NYU.  All four things happened on Sunday, it is well known that the Sunday game is tough for the road team.  So CMU losing to Case, while disappointing for CMU fans, happens from time to time, it is what makes the league so tough.

I am not questioning that CMU maybe could be a little better, but I didn't go to CMU.  It seems to me that if we want to break them apart, we are being a little unfair.  Teams have issues, very few play perfectly.  People go to games all the time and say why is team such and such doing this.  Why doesn't this guy play more, or why doesn't this guy shoot more.  It happens all the time.  Brandeis, Rochester, NYU, certainly Chicago all have games and my guess would be overriding issues that an outside observer would say "why is that happening?" 

I would take CMU's season so far over everyone in the league's except Wash U.  They seem to play as well as Brandeis (a reasonable loss at Brandeis, who was also getting smoked at Case for a lot of the game,) who everyone, (or at least everyone else,) seems to think has more talent than CMU.  Rochester just lost at Emory and no one seems to have a huge problem with this.  And NYU just lost four home games in the league in the first trip through, including by 21 to CMU.

All I am saying is you seem to look at them through a magnifying glass, which is fine, but you seem like a parent in some ways, and possibly your expectations, much like dblock for NYU, I would argue are a little unrealistic.  You seem to want perfection.  I would say that CMU, picked fourth in the UAA, and I did re-read your posts and you seemed to think that was about right at the time, is exceeding expectation, and now you seem to want them to be 16-2.  It just seems like all of the sudden things have changed.  You seem to feel some of the players take bad shots, etc.  I don't doubt this is true, however if they are as talented as you think, than sometimes teams like that take tougher shots in my opinion.  Looking at their stats certainly their fg% is solid, not great, but not bad either, (right in the middle of the pack for the UAA.)  They don't shoot the three very well, however they also don't take very many (less than 25% of their total shots, which is really low for a college basketball team,) that seems to show some shot discipline anyway.  Also, they are last in FT%, so it strikes me that they probably just don't shoot the ball very well.  Looking at their stats, it seems that Anderson's fg% is a little low (40%, again not great, but he's one of their action guys and 40% isn't god awful, it's a little low, there are teams that shoot 40%. O'Rourke's is dreadful, but he only takes about 5 shots a game in a lot of minutes, so again does he shoot too much, maybe, but it's rare you see someone not shoot at all and he has to keep them honest.  But everyone else is good to very good.  Anyway now I am looking at them with a fine tooth comb too.  Which is what I think is a little unfair.

I certainly don't watch them as much as you, but they're results seem pretty solid.  If simply stating that they seem to win a lot and do better than everyone, (except you,) thinks they should means I don't know what I'm talking about, then so be it.  I think it is unfair to expect me to have the same insight into CMU basketball as you.  To say I don't know basketball seems to be a little arrogant on your part.  I don't follow them as closely as you do, because I didn't go there, but I think that is the problem here.  You having gone there, want them to play better than anyone else thinks is justified, not unusual with parents, alums, etc, in my experience.  My guess is if you followed any other team in the league the same way, (again with the possible exception of Wash U.) you would feel the same way about that team, that there are things they could do better and therefore they aren't playing as well as they possibly could be.  I just feel that looking at the league as a whole, that CMU is doing well, better than I thought they would, the Case loss excluded, but again that happens, just ask Rochester.  Within the context of all the teams Carnegie Mellon is having a very good year.  If you go over them looking for every little flaw, than like the vast majority of teams, you are bound to find some.

My final point is again I was speaking toward your and dblock points.  He doesn't think they are very talented, and he has seen them, so how does he explain the fact they win a lot.  You are convinced they are more talented than their record, which would make them top 10 in the country.  So which is it, are the not very talented and lucky, or are they super talented and performing poorly.  My guess is, in the grand scheme of things, neither.  They probably are within their potential range for this year and toward the high end of that range.  They have been as high as 11th in the country and in the top 25 all year (23rd this week.)  Much better than anyone, including you, thought before the season.  Once again I don't care if CMU is good or not, it just seems like they all of the sudden are being held to a higher standard than everyone else, and I'm not sure why, except you went there.  Which again is fine.  If you think they should be 16-2 and number 8 in the nation, I don't have a problem with that.  But again, nobody, and I mean nobody, thought they should be that good before the season.  People thought Brandeis should be that good before the season.  If before the season someone looked at them, or you, I would bet, and said 18 games in you're 14-4 take it or leave it, they, would have, and my guess is you would have, taken it. 

So I also stand by my point, I think all in all, without going over them with a fine tooth comb, which I'm not doing to anyone else either, they are having a very good season.  Could they be a little bit better?  Maybe, but I think most teams could probably be a little bit better, if everything went perfect.  Could they be a lot worse too, absolutely.  Getting 15 kids on board and playing close to their potential (maybe not their peak absolute top potential, but certainly toward their potential,) which CMU seems to be doing, puts them ahead of a lot, if not most, teams. And, as such, means they are having a very good year, although not upto your standards, which seem a little high in my opinion.  You follow the tournament stuff closer than I do, so I will acquiesce to you on these points.  It seems to me over the past few years (since tournament expansion,) that UAA teams with solid non-conference records get in with 18 wins.  Is this a perfect measure, of course not, just a rule of thumb.  Based on that I think CMU is in with 18 regardless if they are second in the league or not, which I don't think the committee cares a whole lot about due to none of the teams playing in the same region.  Could I be wrong, of course.  But assuming I'm right, once again if you had said before the season, going into the second half of the league all CMU has to do to get in the tournament is go 4-3 most of us wouldn't have believed it, and said wow they must be having a very good year.  Which in my humble opinion they are, not a perfect year, a very good year.  All right this got long.  Hugenerd I hope CMU plays as well as you wish and we see them in the final 8 along with all the other UAA schools, I'm not sure it's realistic, but I hope it happens.  It's a good league with true student-athletes and I like seeing all the teams do well.

I kind of skimmed through your post, but I am not at all trying to be paternal in my expectations of CMU.  What I was trying to say, without pointing individuals out, is that if a couple of the starters would stop playing outside of their game, CMU would be a lot better.  Since this was not clear in my previous post, let me illustrate the point with examples I was withholding earlier.  Ryan Einwag plays within himself, he doesnt force shots, if he is guarded, he passes the ball and tries to make his team better.  He is shooting over 54% from the field and only averaging 1.0 turnovers per game.  Jack Anderson is an extremely talented player and shooter, he is more athletic than Einwag and could be just as good a shooter, but he tends to play more out of control and force up shots from outside and when he is guarded. He also tends to try to take his man 1 on 1 (which is fine), but when he gets into the paint, even if he is double-teamed, he has a propensity to still force up shots.  For these reasons, Anderson is shooting less than 39% from the field (has taken about the same number of FGs as Einwag) and committing 3.5 turnovers a game (leads the team, even the point guards dont average as many TOs).  Similar situation with Corey O'Rourke.  He is the team's point guard and when he plays like a point (he has a great handle and good court vision), CMU is a different team (they are a legit top 25).  He can get them into their offense and really run the team well.  However, sometimes he starts trying to be a scorer (he is shooting 27% from the field and 20% from 3 on the season) and then the team struggles. 

Dont get me wrong, I think both are really great players, especially when they play within the team (not forcing shots,etc.), but they both can hurt the team also when they are forcing things that arent there.  I didnt want to single anyone out, because obviously every player goes through some stretches where they dont play well and I am sure there are others on the team that may not always play within themselves, but I just chose Anderson and O'Rourke as examples to clarify my point.  Obviously looking at any single game is not fair because anyone can have a single bad game, but when you are looking at the entire season stats (or when you have seen them play 5 or 6 times), you can definitely start to draw some conclusions and pinpoint some trends.

Thats all I was trying to say.  Even in games they have won, I think the problems I illustrated were still at play, but CMU has a very talented group of guys so they can overcome that against most teams on most nights.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tommygun on February 03, 2009, 11:53:41 AM
And what I'm trying to say is that in the Case game Einwag took as many shots as the rest of the starters combined (22, I just looked at the box,) and had a very good game.  They still lost, as the rest of the starters didn't make anything.  Anderson and O'Rourke (1-3) went 1-10 and I have not seen them play but I know that Anderson is certainly considered one of their more talented guys.  He was 0-4 on threes, he only took a couple of twos.  This is not a lot of shots from those two.  As a team they shot more threes than usual, which maybe Case packed it in, I don't know.  You seemed to take exception to this loss, but it doesn't seem that the reasons you feel they don't play well had anything to do with the loss.  CMU on the road on a Sunday didn't shoot very well, (apparently an issue for them,) despite their best player taking over a third of their shots, and Case won.  This happens. 

It just seems you weren't calling them a legit top 25 team before the season and now you want them to win every game.  I'm sorry the first post was so long, but my point was that perhaps Anderson and O'Rourke, and I'm not trying to pick on them either, I think they are both probably very good players, their FG%'s are just a little low, probably should indeed shoot less (and on Sunday they did, Einwag took 3x as many shots as Anderson.)  However, all of the sudden CMU is supposed to win every game and I think that is a little unfair.  They have beaten some very good teams (John Carroll is ranked this week,) and 2 of their 4 losses are to top 10 teams with another being at Brandeis.  You said you wanted them to play upto their potential that they shouldn't be losing to Case, and I was simply trying to point out that however they play they seem to be having a very good year and things like the loss to Case happen to everybody in the league except Wash U (this year, its happened to them in the past as well,) and I don't think CMU is nearly as good as Wash U is.  I think they probably are playing upto their potential or very close.  The other main point in my too long post, was every team has things outside observers think they should do different and if the other teams in the league Brandeis, Rochester, NYU, and Chicago being the most notable were being held under the same light they probably also have flaws and things they should do better that would make them have a better record, no different than your criticisms of CMU feeling that certain players try to do things that they shouldn't, which may well be a valid criticism as again, I have seen them play one half on line and that's it.  That's all.

Anyway I just feel like based simply on results (which seems pretty important, and a decent way to judge things,) that CMU is doing quite well, especially compared to where we thought they'd be, despite a disappointing loss on Sunday. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 03, 2009, 02:01:27 PM
Quote from: tommygun on February 03, 2009, 11:53:41 AM
And what I'm trying to say is that in the Case game Einwag took as many shots as the rest of the starters combined (22, I just looked at the box,) and had a very good game.  They still lost, as the rest of the starters didn't make anything.  Anderson and O'Rourke (1-3) went 1-10 and I have not seen them play but I know that Anderson is certainly considered one of their more talented guys.  He was 0-4 on threes, he only took a couple of twos.  This is not a lot of shots from those two.  As a team they shot more threes than usual, which maybe Case packed it in, I don't know.  You seemed to take exception to this loss, but it doesn't seem that the reasons you feel they don't play well had anything to do with the loss.  CMU on the road on a Sunday didn't shoot very well, (apparently an issue for them,) despite their best player taking over a third of their shots, and Case won.  This happens. 

It just seems you weren't calling them a legit top 25 team before the season and now you want them to win every game.  I'm sorry the first post was so long, but my point was that perhaps Anderson and O'Rourke, and I'm not trying to pick on them either, I think they are both probably very good players, their FG%'s are just a little low, probably should indeed shoot less (and on Sunday they did, Einwag took 3x as many shots as Anderson.)  However, all of the sudden CMU is supposed to win every game and I think that is a little unfair.  They have beaten some very good teams (John Carroll is ranked this week,) and 2 of their 4 losses are to top 10 teams with another being at Brandeis.  You said you wanted them to play upto their potential that they shouldn't be losing to Case, and I was simply trying to point out that however they play they seem to be having a very good year and things like the loss to Case happen to everybody in the league except Wash U (this year, its happened to them in the past as well,) and I don't think CMU is nearly as good as Wash U is.  I think they probably are playing upto their potential or very close.  The other main point in my too long post, was every team has things outside observers think they should do different and if the other teams in the league Brandeis, Rochester, NYU, and Chicago being the most notable were being held under the same light they probably also have flaws and things they should do better that would make them have a better record, no different than your criticisms of CMU feeling that certain players try to do things that they shouldn't, which may well be a valid criticism as again, I have seen them play one half on line and that's it.  That's all.

Anyway I just feel like based simply on results (which seems pretty important, and a decent way to judge things,) that CMU is doing quite well, especially compared to where we thought they'd be, despite a disappointing loss on Sunday. 

After seeing them (after non-conference play, preseason I did not know many of the players because I did not play with any of the current players), I felt that they had a better chance to contend for the UAA (or at least push WashU).  With that said, I still feel like they have the talent to do so, the team is just not very consistent and dont always play as disciplined as they should.  When they are playing their game, they can be a top 10 team in the country, but they are susceptible because of their lack of consistency.

I am going to drop the conversation now.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tommygun on February 03, 2009, 05:29:05 PM
Hugenerd, you are mistaking being talented and athletic for being elite (which we I would believe we would agree top 10 teams are.)  I was curious so I did a little research on this.  Carnegie Mellon is shooting 31.5% from 3 point range and 64.5% from the FT line.  I have come to the conclusion, they can't shoot.  If there is a team in the top 10 that shoots as poorly as they do, I will be incredibly surprised.  CMU takes the lowest percentage of three point shots of anyone in the league (compared to total shots,)  Emory is the only other team that is close. And they are close to 30%, CMU is less than 24% so it would appear they know they can't shoot, and have the discipline to not just shoot three's and shoot far fewer of them than the average NCAA team (24% is one of the lowest I have seen.)  The only team in the league that is lower than them from 3 overall is NYU at about 30%, which is probably why they have a hard time winning as well, that offense relies on good shooting.  Wash shoots over 40% and Brandeis makes close to 45% (outrageously high,) this is a massive advantage for these teams.  CMU and NYU would have to be rediculously more talented than these teams to beat them if both teams in the game shot the way they normally do. 

Furthermore Carnegie Mellon leads the league in FG% defensed, and 3 pt  FG% defensed.  This hardly seems like a team that completely lacks discipline.  They don't shoot many 3's at all, again this seems like a team that realizes its weakness and tries not to play into it.  In order to avoid a rediculously long post I am going to go with a couple of shorter posts.  I think the Case game proves this point really well, which I will get to now.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tommygun on February 03, 2009, 05:32:37 PM
Case was able to get them to shoot many more three's than usual 22-64 shots were three's CMU made right at their average 7-22, however it accounted for a much higher percentage of their total shots than usual, hence a lower overall FG%.  They also went 12-24 from the FT line. 

It would seem this is a talented but badly flawed team.  What happened to them against Case will probably happen again at some point.  I would assume Case packed it in the lane and wouldn't let them get the ball toward the basket (if anyone was at the game, please chime in.)  I would also assume Bouldin-Johnson's 1-5 and Rife's 2-7 and Anderson's 0-3 on two's was a function of them being heavily guarded around the basket as they attempted to stay away from just gunning up 3's.  However, if Case puts enough big bodies between you and the basket and essentially let's you shoot it, eventually you have to be able to make enough three's to get them out of it, which is what any top 10 team would do.  They can't do that, or at least quite often they can't do that.  I don't believe that is a lack of discipline, I believe that is a function of not being very good shooters.  I'm not sure there is a whole lot they can do about this.  It clearly is an issue and is going to remain an issue in all likelyhood.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tommygun on February 03, 2009, 05:46:06 PM
Finally, I haven't heard anyone else even suggest that CMU is a top 10 team in terms of talent.  They won a bunch of non-conference games, which I pointed out earlier resulted in 20 straight non-conference wins, Wash had a similar streak ended at 20.  NYU also wins a million non-conference games, things get tougher in conference and teams are more apt to exploit your weaknesses.  And CMU seems to have a glaring one.  A team that shoots the ball as poorly as they do is never going to finish in the top 10, I would be surprised if one ever has, and would have to have dominant big men, which I don't believe CMU has, although I don't know that much about Rife. 

So again I go back to my initial statement that I think you are being a bit unrealistic in your expectations.  I think games like the Case game are going to happen from time to time, and I think in games where they face other very talented teams, Brandeis and Washington to name two, they are at a major disadvantage because those teams make an incredibly high % of their three pointers, where CMU makes a very low % of theirs.  Throw in the FT disparity and you are looking at a major disadvantage for CMU which it would seem that they try to make up for with good defense, which apparently they do, and not living by the 3 and getting to the basket, which is a little tougher to do if the other team packs it in the lane.  Again I think CMU is doing even better than I realized considering this major disadvantage.

So that's it I will drop it now too unless you feel I've made an error in my analysis.  Suffice it to say I don't think CMU is a top 10 team, they simply don't shoot the ball well enough, meaning what happened to them on Sunday is much more likely to happen to them than some of the other top teams.  If they had won that game they would be 15-3, with the 3 losses being to really top teams.  I think they are doing fine.   Which is how this all got started.  They are talented but not elite, they are going to lose from time to time, and they will have trouble with equally talented teams that shoot the ball much better than they do.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 03, 2009, 07:34:23 PM
I guess we arent dropping this after the essay you wrote.

First off, when I said top 10 talent, I was referring to their highest ranking of the season, which was about 10 (they were ranked as high as 12).  So obviously at that point most voters had them at or around the 10th ranking in the country.

Second, your point about FG% and FT% isnt all that correct.  There are teams that are currently in the top 10 that are in the same ballpark as CMU:  Richard Stockton shoots 35% from 3 and 63% from the FT line, Ithaca shoots 34% from 3, etc. There are also teams that are great from 3 and the FT line that arent currently ranked; for example MIT is shooting 44% from 3 and 73% from the line.

Anyway, I am seriously not responding to this line of conversation anymore, this has gotten out of hand.  I tried to make a simple point that CMU could play better if some of their players played slightly more disciplined and it exploded into a multipage debate.  Anyway, I still believe that CMU has the talent to be a better team than they have played recently, even though they still have a very good record at 14-4.  Thats all I was trying to say.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tommygun on February 03, 2009, 10:44:29 PM
My point is absolutely correct.  Richard Stockton is 35.5% from three significantly better than 31.5% and Ithaca is 34.5% and shoots almost 80% from the FT line (77 somthing to be fair.)  If you want to claim that is the same as 31.5 and 64.5 go ahead but it's not.  And those teams are currently 9 and 10.  If CMU makes 80% of their free throws agains Case they probably win.  CMU can't shoot and it will cost them games upper echelon teams would win because they shoot better.  You are free to believe whatever you like. 

The fact that early in the season they were ranked I believe as high as 11 is probably a function of poor starts by the top UAA teams Brandeis and Chicago, and a poor start by the GL region teams as you correctly pointed out at the time.

I agree to stop and sorry if the stats were too much, but I am pretty sure I'm right about this, and I've certainly seen you go after people when you believe you are right.  Anyway I appreciate your comments, and as far as I'm concerned that's that.  People are free to form there own opinions.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 04, 2009, 12:02:42 AM
Richard Stockton may shoot 3-4% higher than CMU from 3, but they also shooting 1.5% worse than them from the FT line.  Those numbers are comparable.  To quantify this, lets say CMU shot 3.5% better from 3, that would gain them about 8 made 3s or 24 points, divide that by the number of games (18) and you get a wopping +1.3 points per game.  If they shot 1.5% worse from the FT line, they would have missed 7 more FTs, or about -0.4 points per game.  So overall if CMU had Richard Stocktons number from 3 and the FT line, they would score less than a single additional point per game.  CMU has no 1 point games this season and none of their losses were by less than 8 points. I dont care what you say, that is comparable (if it isnt, please explain to me how that is not comparable) and Richard Stockton is ranked top 10.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 04, 2009, 12:19:54 AM
Quote from: tommygun on February 03, 2009, 10:44:29 PM
CMU can't shoot and it will cost them games upper echelon teams would win because they shoot better. 

I am not trying to say CMU is a great outside shooting team, and I havent made that argument as far as I can remember (I agree that those numbers are bad, but as I showed in my last post there are other ranked teams that have comparable numbers from 3 and from the FT line). 

My argument all along has been that when they play as a team, instead of forcing shots and playing outside themselves, they can compete with anyone in the country.  Some teams dont have the talent to play with the top teams, no matter how well they play.  All I was trying to say was that, after watching them play several times this seaosn, I think CMU has the talent to compete with anyone in d3, but they are sometimes unable to do that because they fall into the habit of not playing as a team and trying to do things themselves.  This is obviously something that can be said about many teams and/or players, and definitely think it applies in the case of this year's CMU team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tommygun on February 04, 2009, 01:03:20 AM
Hugenerd I am not going to argue your point, I am sure your math is correct. However there is more to it than that.  CMU has made 76 three pointers they are shooting 31.7% this year and equally importantly 24% of their shots are threes, only two guys on the team have made more than 10.  Richard Stockton has made 156 they shoot 35.6% (I would still argue this is a non-trivial difference,) and 34% of their shots are threes, and Ithaca has made 170+ is shooting 34.5% and 39% of their shots are threes (a big part of their offense.)  You have to play these teams honestly.  Judging by their stats, you don't have to play CMU honestly or at least you can roll the dice against them, and again, I live in Florida, I wasn't at the game, but I would be willing to bet my bottom dollar that Case didn't play CMU honestly.  They dared them to shoot it, which it seems is an excellent strategy against them.  There's no guarantee it will get you a win, and I doubt they were the first to try it.  However, I would dare say that you couldn't get away with this against Richard Stockton and Ithaca.  They would run in about 6 out of 8 and you would be back playing them honestly.  CMU was 2-11 against Brandeis and Wash U.  At home they will probably beat Case and Emory this week, that would put them at 16-4.  To beat Wash or Brandeis they will have to make more shots, it will be tough, because they don't shoot it great.  After that I bet they drop one against Chicago, NYU, or Rochester, in a game they don't shoot well.  Carnegie Mellon is MIT's shooting ability away from being really, really good.  I haven't seen MIT but in reading your posts about them it sounds like they shoot it great and are having a very good year, despite lack of size, depth, etc. probably due in large part to their great shooting. 

CMU can be very good without shooting it well, with the lead leading defense etc.  However, CMU will not be an elite team and will be more susceptible to a loss like the one on Sunday where they have a low 3 pt. % combined with a low ft% (tough to overcome,)  because they can't shoot.  So I acquiesce that I should have mentioned the number more than I did and that the % in and of itself doesn't tell the whole story, although there is no debating that 31.7% is very low for a college team, and 76 made threes at this point of the season is exceptionally low for a college team.  I again would be curious to see if there has ever been a top 10 that shoots what CMU shoots in combination with the lack of number that they take/make. 

And with that I am going to bed.  I do have to work tomorrow.  I'm sorry this whole thing got so long, but it was interesting for me anyway.  I will be happy to continue the discussion if you like, but again I stand by my thought that CMU's shooting certainly is a very real deterrant from them being an elite type team and will continue to be so, much more than any other issues that they have.  They are very good, better than anyone thought in the pre-season.  They appear to be big and athletic and play good defense, etc. etc. But the statistics indicate that they are a very poor shooting team and when forced into it even if they are open it is a 50-50 proposition if they will make enough shots to beat really good teams consistently, and they will lose to teams they are more talented than from time to time more than those really good teams we are talking about.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 04, 2009, 10:55:39 AM
Quote from: tommygun on February 04, 2009, 01:03:20 AM
I stand by my thought that CMU's shooting certainly is a very real deterrant from them being an elite type team and will continue to be so, much more than any other issues that they have. 

I dont diagree with you.  I am just saying they would be a better shooting team then they show in their stats if they just stuck to their offense and a couple players played within themselves. Thats all I was saying.  You have changed your argument from "you are taking pot shots at CMU", to "you are being paternal and have unrealistic standards for CMU", to "CMU is not a good shooting team."  I disagreed with your first two arguments, not the last one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WAS A PLAYER on February 04, 2009, 12:52:59 PM
As Jack said as President in the great movie Mars Attacks

"Why can't we all just.................get along"
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 04, 2009, 03:11:59 PM
Regional Rankings are out:

Rochester is 4th in the East, CMU is 2nd in the Great Lakes, WashU is 1st in the Midwest, and Brandeis is unranked in the Northeast (NYU also not ranked in the East).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on February 04, 2009, 03:18:27 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 04, 2009, 03:11:59 PM
Regional Rankings are out:

Rochester is 4th in the East, CMU is 2nd in the Great Lakes, WashU is 1st in the Midwest, and Brandeis is unranked in the Northeast (NYU also not ranked in the East).

Based on my estimates of the rankings (see Pool C page), Brandeis should be 12th in the Northeast, behind the top 10 plus Williams, and NYU should be 7th in the East behind the top 5 plus St. John Fisher.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 04, 2009, 07:13:20 PM
Quote from: pabegg on February 04, 2009, 03:18:27 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 04, 2009, 03:11:59 PM
Regional Rankings are out:

Rochester is 4th in the East, CMU is 2nd in the Great Lakes, WashU is 1st in the Midwest, and Brandeis is unranked in the Northeast (NYU also not ranked in the East).

Based on my estimates of the rankings (see Pool C page), Brandeis should be 12th in the Northeast, behind the top 10 plus Williams, and NYU should be 7th in the East behind the top 5 plus St. John Fisher.


Pabegg,

I like your analyses.  Both Brandeis and NYU seem to have a lot of work to do to get themselves in the Pool C picture.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: quaj on February 05, 2009, 08:37:01 PM
Washington University point guard Sean Wallis is a finalist for the Bob Cousy Point Guard of the Year Award, leading the UAA with a 3.15 assist-to-turnover ratio.

I feel that this is a fitting honor for a hard working talented player such as Wallis. He's up against many talented DI players including Davidson's Stephen Curry, UConn.'s AJ Price, and Wake Forest's Jeff Teague.

Fan voting is at http://www.cousyaward.com/
The other DIII guard is Grinnell's David Arseneault.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: theBroadcaster on February 06, 2009, 02:09:18 PM
As a former WBRS Sports Director and now brandeis alum i just wanted to commend the current WBRS crew for making the trip with the Brandeis bball teams to Chicago and WashU this weekend to broadcast the games.  For an entirely student run station to be making the trip on their own, esp. in these economic times, really says a lot about their commitment to covering the teams and I want to make sure that their dedication doesn't go unnoticed.  Keep up the good work! I'm jealous i never got to make the trip myself
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 06, 2009, 04:04:11 PM
Check out the article on our very own deiscanton:

http://www.cantoncitizenonline.com/020509/superfan.htm
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 06, 2009, 09:22:59 PM
CMU up about 20 on Case with a little over 5 minutes to play.  Corey ORourke has really been that true point CMU needs tonight.  He has dished out 10 assists, has only taken 5 shots, and has also colleceted 6 boards so far.  Jack Anderson is also playing much better, he has scored 14 points on only 9 shots. Einwag has 17 points and Terrance Bouldin-Johnson has 10 points, 9 rebounds, and 4 blocks.

NYU within 5 of WashU with 7.5 to go in the first.

Chicago is up big early on Brandeis, 17-4, 7 minutes into the game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 06, 2009, 10:23:45 PM
It looks like Chicago is going to knock Brandeis out of the NCAA picture.  As of this moment, Chicago has made 12 of 18 from 3 point range for the game.  Chicago is playing like they are 16-2 rather than 2-16. 

Honestly, I don't know if Brandeis will take an ECAC New England invite this season.  Personally, I would want to see Brandeis win another ECAC New England title, but the Brandeis men's basketball team may not want to go to the ECACs because (1) the Judges would have to pay their own way through the tournament and Brandeis as a university is really having financial troubles right now, and (2) the students may not feel up to going to support an ECAC tournament run.  A lot of students feel that the ECAC New England Tournament is a regional "NIT" or worse. 

It is the Brandeis team's decision as to whether or not to pack it up for the season at the conclusion of the NYU game or go to the ECACs.  If Brandeis decides not to go to the ECACs, then I respect the team's decision.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 06, 2009, 10:56:59 PM
Final: UC 90, BU 81

Yeah, it is hard to think of a scenario where Brandeis might get into the NCAA tourney now.  The most "likely" possibility (not that it is likely, but it appears they have no chance at a Pool C) is if WashU slipped for some reason and lost 3 or 4 of their last 6 (again, very very long shot).  For example, if the entire team caught a really bad case of the flu and they had to play with 4 players the rest of the regular season, this may be a possibility.

I understand your point about the ECACs.  I know that the none of the NESCAC schools will accept ECAC bids; however, it is always nice for the seniors to play a few more games without the pressure of the regular season (also nice to reach milestones, such as 1000 pts, etc.) or to get some younger guys some game experience.  It is also can help build some momentum going into the following season (CMU won ECAC South last year and they seemed to carry that run into this season).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 06, 2009, 10:58:33 PM
Good win for the Bears.  Brandeis will come into WashU hopping mad after losing at Chicago.  AT had 52 points in his first 8 games agains NYU and Brandeis, he has 70 +/- in the 3 so far this season. Tyler Nading and AT were a combined 15 of 16 from the field.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 06, 2009, 11:01:45 PM
I dont think Chmielowiec is feeling any ill effects of that injury he sustained earlier, he goes off tonight for 36 points on 18 shots.  Rochester wins to go 5-3 in the conference. There is now a 3 way tie for second with CMU, Brandeis, and Rochester all at 5-3.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 06, 2009, 11:02:26 PM
Chicago's 17 of 26 from 3 pt. range ties a UAA record for most 3's made by a men's basketball team in a UAA game.

That record was also held by Chicago.  Chicago last made 17 3's in a UAA game when they played Rochester on January 21, 2007-- the Maroons hit 17 of 30 from 3 pt. range then.

Chicago's 65.9% 3 pt. FG% for the game does not come close to tying the record on 3pt. FG% by a UAA team in a UAA conference game.  Brandeis shot 86.7% from 3 pt. range-- hitting 13 of 15 from 3 pt. range-- in the game against Wash U that was played on February 23, 1997.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 06, 2009, 11:38:45 PM
Quote from: WashU33Fan on February 06, 2009, 10:58:33 PM
Tyler Nading and AT were a combined 15 of 16 from the field.

I was at the game but didn't realize they were nearly perfect from the field. Of course a lot of Nading's buckets were right underneath and unguarded because the Bears did such a good job of confusing the NYU defense. It was almost as if Nading was wearing an invisibility cloak.

WU started the 2nd half with a 9 point lead but quickly got to the high teens as Thompson hit three 3s in a relatively short span. Classic Wash U offense. Keep Thompson quiet in the first half then spring him in the 2nd. Exactly what they did to Hope in the semi-final game in Salem last year -- or was it Amherst in the championshp game. Doesn't matter, it's just exciting to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tommygun on February 07, 2009, 01:02:58 AM
I watched the CMU-Case game on-line in its entirety tonight (it's nice to see more and more dIII teams, and UAA teams doing this, makes it easier to argue.)  CMU is very good.  Last Sunday O'Rourke took 3 shots (1-3, tonight 1-5) and Anderson took 7 (0-7 0-4 on three's as opposed to 5-9 3-5 on three's all made 3's in the first half when CMU took control.)  So, they were hardly gunning it up in either game.  Tonight they took more shots, Anderson and O'Rourke's willingness to pass is not the difference between tonight's game and last weekend's game.   They were clearly willing to pass in that game as well.

Case packed it in a zone in the first half, and the only difference between tonight and last Sunday is CMU was at home and shot the ball extremely well.  Over 50% from three for the game (and equally importantly a total of 9 as opposed to the 4 they usually make,) Anderson hit 3 3's in the first half and CMU I believe hit eight in the first half.  O'Rourke had 5 assists last Sunday and if CMU had shot the ball as well last Sunday they would have won and he probably would have approached the 11 assists he had tonight, if Case had to get out of their zone and he had been able use his dribble to draw help which he did tonight.  Case couldn't stay in the zone tonight and then CMU had their way with them for the most part.  They were able on 5 or 6 occassions to get the ball out of the net after a made Case basket and get a lay-up at the other end before Case got set.  Suffice it to say, they do a lot of things very well. 

If they shoot the ball as well as they did tonight they are an elite team.  However, I also believe tonight, based on their track record, is a statistical anomoly.  They will come back to earth and shoot around the 31% they have shot all year (especially on the road,) and it will cost them a game somewhere down the road, that's the problem with inconsistent shooting, you don't know when it will show up.  Tonight, like any game would be entirely different if Anderson, who is 29% for the year, was having a bad night shooting, like last Sunday, instead of a very good night, like tonight.  It would've been a much different game

My guess is Anderson's looks from three point range tonight were not very different from the looks last Sunday, tonight he felt good and they went in, last weekend he didn't and they didn't.  This happens.  However, CMU is very solid defensively and if they shoot well, a big if, they will be very hard to handle, because they are very solid at almost everything else. They are certainly capable of a nice tournament run.  As I have said all along, they are having a great year.

Enough of that, Brandeis and NYU are essentially done after tonight, (NYU has been done,) in terms of pool C.  By done I mean Brandeis has to win on Sunday, and of all the teams that have been disappointing this year, Brandeis certainly takes the cake.  Chicago shoots lights out tonight (17-26 to trump Brandeis's 10-20 from 3 pt. range,) and I don't know if that's Chicago's offense or Brandeis's defense but if you shoot that well you will beat almost anyone, this after putting up 12 points in the first half on Sunday, hard to explain, other than that's basketball.  What a difference a little home cooking and a few days of rest makes.  Rochester holds on for a big win, or they would also have been in big trouble.

So to sum up in terms of pool C which I really think is what everyone cares about.  CMU continues to be in great shape 3-3 should get them in.  Rochester hangs on and still probably needs 4-2, Brandeis is getting into the winout stage at this point.  Tonight's loss is really huge, while we all know that Chicago is certainly dangerous, especially at home, to the rest of the world it is just a loss to a 3-16 team.  I really think at this point even a loss to Wash and winning the last 5 might not be enough for Brandeis.

Finally all 4 home teams played much much better tonight than they did last Sunday, (except maybe Rochester who just played bettet,) against the very same opposition.  My only involvement in the league is that I used to watch my neighbor's kid with him who played for a UAA school. I used to go to the games with him, and he used to tell me all the time how hard the road Sunday games are.  Having watched the league for a long time I agree with that.  I think all four home teams will win Sunday and it will be just like last Sunday. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2009, 06:31:19 AM
Another piece of news on the Wash U Athletics Hall of Fame last night:

Wash U men's basketball star Kevin Folkl (Wash U class of 1996) was also inducted last night alongside Wash U women's basketball standout Tasha Rodgers.

I believe that Kevin Folkl is also the brother of former Stanford player and WNBA star (with the Minnesota Lynx) Kristen Folkl-- I know that they both went to high school in St. Louis, Missouri and were great players there.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 07, 2009, 12:33:09 PM
Quote from: tommygun on February 07, 2009, 01:02:58 AM
I watched the CMU-Case game on-line in its entirety tonight (it's nice to see more and more dIII teams, and UAA teams doing this, makes it easier to argue.)  CMU is very good.  Last Sunday O'Rourke took 3 shots (1-3, tonight 1-5) and Anderson took 7 (0-7 0-4 on three's as opposed to 5-9 3-5 on three's all made 3's in the first half when CMU took control.)  So, they were hardly gunning it up in either game.  Tonight they took more shots, Anderson and O'Rourke's willingness to pass is not the difference between tonight's game and last weekend's game.   They were clearly willing to pass in that game as well.

Case packed it in a zone in the first half, and the only difference between tonight and last Sunday is CMU was at home and shot the ball extremely well.  Over 50% from three for the game (and equally importantly a total of 9 as opposed to the 4 they usually make,) Anderson hit 3 3's in the first half and CMU I believe hit eight in the first half.  O'Rourke had 5 assists last Sunday and if CMU had shot the ball as well last Sunday they would have won and he probably would have approached the 11 assists he had tonight, if Case had to get out of their zone and he had been able use his dribble to draw help which he did tonight.  Case couldn't stay in the zone tonight and then CMU had their way with them for the most part.  They were able on 5 or 6 occassions to get the ball out of the net after a made Case basket and get a lay-up at the other end before Case got set.  Suffice it to say, they do a lot of things very well. 

If they shoot the ball as well as they did tonight they are an elite team.  However, I also believe tonight, based on their track record, is a statistical anomoly.  They will come back to earth and shoot around the 31% they have shot all year (especially on the road,) and it will cost them a game somewhere down the road, that's the problem with inconsistent shooting, you don't know when it will show up.  Tonight, like any game would be entirely different if Anderson, who is 29% for the year, was having a bad night shooting, like last Sunday, instead of a very good night, like tonight.  It would've been a much different game

My guess is Anderson's looks from three point range tonight were not very different from the looks last Sunday, tonight he felt good and they went in, last weekend he didn't and they didn't.  This happens.  However, CMU is very solid defensively and if they shoot well, a big if, they will be very hard to handle, because they are very solid at almost everything else. They are certainly capable of a nice tournament run.  As I have said all along, they are having a great year.

Enough of that, Brandeis and NYU are essentially done after tonight, (NYU has been done,) in terms of pool C.  By done I mean Brandeis has to win on Sunday, and of all the teams that have been disappointing this year, Brandeis certainly takes the cake.  Chicago shoots lights out tonight (17-26 to trump Brandeis's 10-20 from 3 pt. range,) and I don't know if that's Chicago's offense or Brandeis's defense but if you shoot that well you will beat almost anyone, this after putting up 12 points in the first half on Sunday, hard to explain, other than that's basketball.  What a difference a little home cooking and a few days of rest makes.  Rochester holds on for a big win, or they would also have been in big trouble.

So to sum up in terms of pool C which I really think is what everyone cares about.  CMU continues to be in great shape 3-3 should get them in.  Rochester hangs on and still probably needs 4-2, Brandeis is getting into the winout stage at this point.  Tonight's loss is really huge, while we all know that Chicago is certainly dangerous, especially at home, to the rest of the world it is just a loss to a 3-16 team.  I really think at this point even a loss to Wash and winning the last 5 might not be enough for Brandeis.

Finally all 4 home teams played much much better tonight than they did last Sunday, (except maybe Rochester who just played bettet,) against the very same opposition.  My only involvement in the league is that I used to watch my neighbor's kid with him who played for a UAA school. I used to go to the games with him, and he used to tell me all the time how hard the road Sunday games are.  Having watched the league for a long time I agree with that.  I think all four home teams will win Sunday and it will be just like last Sunday. 

I agree with you Sunday picks, the biggest question mark of the four games is NYU at Chicago.

In terms of Pool C, I still think you are overly optimistic.  Brandeis was not even in the top 10 in NE before their loss to Chicago last night.  They will likely lose tomorrow, but even if they beat WashU and win out, they still have 7 in-region losses so they have almost 0 chance (last year only one 7 loss team got a Pool C, Wheaton (IL)).  Same goes for Rochester, they already have 5 losses, all of them in-region, so if they go 4-2, they will also be at 7 losses with almost no chance at a Pool C. The only advantage that Rochester has over Brandeis is that they are in a weaker region so they will be on the table for Pool C consideration earlier than Brandeis (if they continue to be highly ranked in their region: the selection system works by considering the top team still available for Pool C in each region (8 teams considered at a time, one from each region), selecting the most deserving team, replacing that team with the next ranked team in the region, and repeating until all the spots are filled).  CMU is in a better situation, no doubt, but if they go 3-3, that will also give them 7 losses on the season, but only 6 in region.  It is feasable for them to get in at 18-7 overall, with 6 losses in region, but they have a really tough road to get even to that record.  I think that if they want to be safe they need to go 4-2 in their last 6.  Given they have a pretty good shot at beating Emory and NYU at home, that means they need to win 2 out of the following 4 games: Brandeis (H), WashU (A), Chicago (A), and Rochester (A).  Although they have a really good chance at winning all these games, except for the WashU game, it is not to far of a stretch to see hwo they could lose a few of them also.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on February 07, 2009, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 07, 2009, 06:31:19 AM
Another piece of news on the Wash U Athletics Hall of Fame last night:

Wash U men's basketball star Kevin Folkl (Wash U class of 1996) was also inducted last night alongside Wash U women's basketball standout Tasha Rodgers.

I believe that Kevin Folkl is also the brother of former Stanford player and WNBA star (with the Minnesota Lynx) Kristen Folkl-- I know that they both went to high school in St. Louis, Missouri and were great players there.

This is correct
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ronk on February 07, 2009, 06:13:27 PM
[. The only advantage that Rochester has over Brandeis is that they are in a weaker region so they will be on the table for Pool C consideration earlier than Brandeis (if they continue to be highly ranked in their region: the selection system works by considering the top team still available for Pool C in each region (8 teams considered at a time, one from each region), selecting the most deserving team, replacing that team with the next ranked team in the region, and repeating until all the spots are filled). 

   This wouldn't seem to make a difference if, as each team is selected, that their replacement next-in-the region team is fully considered with the remaining seven before the next selection is made. Is that the case?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 07, 2009, 06:16:08 PM
The Chicago team that has been in hiding all season long really came out in force last night. The offense was humming -- the Maroons showed great patience, working for the shot that they really wanted rather than settling, and using skip passes to find the open man on the perimeter. Everyone's buzzing about the sparkling shooting percentage from downtown that the Maroons logged, but the shooter who impressed me the most was freshman Michael Sustarsic. He scored 19 points on only seven shots from the field, and that's just amazing efficiency. Adam Machones also deserves a shout-out for notching 11 assists without a single turnover.

I'm not sure what to think of the Brandeis team I saw last night. They appear to be talented and deep but inconsistent. Steve DeLuca was pretty quiet, what with foul trouble and strong interior D by the Maroons more or less shutting him down. Kevin Olson is a serious weapon. I like the quick guards that Brandeis has (Roberson, Hughes, and Small), but for all their quickness they had a lot of trouble closing out on shooters at the defensive end.

It was very entertaining to watch that shooting exhibition. Last night was a solid bright spot in an otherwise dreary season for the Maroons.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 07, 2009, 11:30:24 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 07, 2009, 06:13:27 PM
[. The only advantage that Rochester has over Brandeis is that they are in a weaker region so they will be on the table for Pool C consideration earlier than Brandeis (if they continue to be highly ranked in their region: the selection system works by considering the top team still available for Pool C in each region (8 teams considered at a time, one from each region), selecting the most deserving team, replacing that team with the next ranked team in the region, and repeating until all the spots are filled). 

   This wouldn't seem to make a difference if, as each team is selected, that their replacement next-in-the region team is fully considered with the remaining seven before the next selection is made. Is that the case?

In theory, it shouldnt matter.  My point was that if you dont even get up to one of those 8, you dont have any chance, wheareas if you are on the table for a while, you have a better chance.  If Brandeis is ranked 15th in NE, they may never even be considered by the committee.  Whereas, a Rochester team with the same record may be ranked 5th in their region and be up for consideration with a bunch of Pool C spots still available, and when you are on the table for a while, you never know what can happen.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 08, 2009, 02:39:45 PM
Wash.U cruises to an 82-57 win over Brandeis but there is a huge asterix that needs to be in the unofficial box score.

Roberson, Hollins, and Small were all benched, apparently for a violation of team rules. Wash.U. didn't even play that well, despite winning by 25. I think if Deis has those guys, Wash.U. may have lost. Hard to say, really, since the action was so much less physical and generally more subdued without the intensity that those three guys bring. Very unfortunate for the Judges, as the door on their post season chances has officially been closed.

As a Wash.U. fan, I wanted the Bears to face a more serious test this weekend, particularly with the perennial doormats being next weekend's opponents. No knock on Case or Emory, but those aren't exactly good tune-ups (at least not in paper..we all know anything can happen in this league) for Carnegie and Rochester the following weekend and the NCAA's two weeks after that.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 08, 2009, 02:59:32 PM
It would have been great for Brandeis to be at full strength.  I only saw the game on the internet and it did seem sort of blah.  Coach Edwards played his whole bench and then some.  Those reserve minutes even against a depleted Brandeis squad will be valuable as the season comes to and end and tourney time approaches. Go Bears!  I think Mike C. from Rochester is a lock for player of the week in the UAA, 36 and 18 in two wins.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on February 08, 2009, 03:37:55 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 08, 2009, 02:39:45 PM
Wash.U cruises to an 82-57 win over Brandeis but there is a huge asterix that needs to be in the unofficial box score.
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 08, 2009, 05:54:18 PM
I wonder if the benching of most of the Brandeis top players today was actually for a violation of team rules, or if it was the fact that Brandeis allowed Chicago to rain 17 3's on them on Friday and allowed Chicago to be the team to knock Brandeis out of NCAA consideration rather than Wash U or Rochester.   For whatever reasons, I don't blame coach Meehan for making the decisions that he made today, and I think any coach coaching in this situation would have done the exact same thing.    It is a little disappointing, however, that I was not able to see a good rematch of last Friday's game in Waltham, but Wash U has a better team than the Bears had last year, and Brandeis does not have a better team than the Judges had last year. 

Keep in mind that the Brandeis men's basketball team could only afford to send 12 players on this weekend's trip due to financial considerations.  Normally, a UAA team is allowed to send up to 15 players on the travel squad.

Best of luck to the Wash U Bears in the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on February 08, 2009, 06:15:19 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 07, 2009, 11:30:24 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 07, 2009, 06:13:27 PM
[. The only advantage that Rochester has over Brandeis is that they are in a weaker region so they will be on the table for Pool C consideration earlier than Brandeis (if they continue to be highly ranked in their region: the selection system works by considering the top team still available for Pool C in each region (8 teams considered at a time, one from each region), selecting the most deserving team, replacing that team with the next ranked team in the region, and repeating until all the spots are filled). 

   This wouldn't seem to make a difference if, as each team is selected, that their replacement next-in-the region team is fully considered with the remaining seven before the next selection is made. Is that the case?

In theory, it shouldnt matter.  My point was that if you dont even get up to one of those 8, you dont have any chance, wheareas if you are on the table for a while, you have a better chance.  If Brandeis is ranked 15th in NE, they may never even be considered by the committee.  Whereas, a Rochester team with the same record may be ranked 5th in their region and be up for consideration with a bunch of Pool C spots still available, and when you are on the table for a while, you never know what can happen.

It would appear that the opposite is true. My sense of the process is that at any given point, there's a one through eight ranking of the eight regional representatives. Then they agree to give the #1 a Pool C bid. Then they go back to the regional list and determine who comes off the top of that list as the region's new representative. Then they take that team and fit it into the list with the seven remaining regional representatives. That team could be anywhere from the #1 to the #8.

So it's not out of the question that a team could start as the 8th ranked regional representative, and never move up, as long as the new teams on the final list compare out ahead of them.

This has proved to be a very objective process in its modern incarnation. Normally, we hit the final Pool C bid with about 4 or 5 teams in contention; anyone below those 4 or 5 can point to exactly where they came up short.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 08, 2009, 07:00:36 PM
Quote from: pabegg on February 08, 2009, 06:15:19 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 07, 2009, 11:30:24 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 07, 2009, 06:13:27 PM
[. The only advantage that Rochester has over Brandeis is that they are in a weaker region so they will be on the table for Pool C consideration earlier than Brandeis (if they continue to be highly ranked in their region: the selection system works by considering the top team still available for Pool C in each region (8 teams considered at a time, one from each region), selecting the most deserving team, replacing that team with the next ranked team in the region, and repeating until all the spots are filled). 

   This wouldn't seem to make a difference if, as each team is selected, that their replacement next-in-the region team is fully considered with the remaining seven before the next selection is made. Is that the case?

In theory, it shouldnt matter.  My point was that if you dont even get up to one of those 8, you dont have any chance, wheareas if you are on the table for a while, you have a better chance.  If Brandeis is ranked 15th in NE, they may never even be considered by the committee.  Whereas, a Rochester team with the same record may be ranked 5th in their region and be up for consideration with a bunch of Pool C spots still available, and when you are on the table for a while, you never know what can happen.

It would appear that the opposite is true. My sense of the process is that at any given point, there's a one through eight ranking of the eight regional representatives. Then they agree to give the #1 a Pool C bid. Then they go back to the regional list and determine who comes off the top of that list as the region's new representative. Then they take that team and fit it into the list with the seven remaining regional representatives. That team could be anywhere from the #1 to the #8.

So it's not out of the question that a team could start as the 8th ranked regional representative, and never move up, as long as the new teams on the final list compare out ahead of them.

This has proved to be a very objective process in its modern incarnation. Normally, we hit the final Pool C bid with about 4 or 5 teams in contention; anyone below those 4 or 5 can point to exactly where they came up short.


I dont diagree.  It doesnt matter anyway. Brandeis, NYU and all of the other bottom 5 in the UAA are all playing for the ECACs at this point (if they are in an eligible region and would like to play in it, that is).  CMU would be in pretty good shape finishing 3-2 in the final 5 and Rochester needs to do at least that to have a chance and go 4-1 to be pretty safe.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 08, 2009, 07:15:17 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 08, 2009, 05:54:18 PM
I wonder if the benching of most of the Brandeis top players today was actually for a violation of team rules, or if it was the fact that Brandeis allowed Chicago to rain 17 3's on them on Friday and allowed Chicago to be the team to knock Brandeis out of NCAA consideration rather than Wash U or Rochester.   For whatever reasons, I don't blame coach Meehan for making the decisions that he made today, and I think any coach coaching in this situation would have done the exact same thing.    It is a little disappointing, however, that I was not able to see a good rematch of last Friday's game in Waltham, but Wash U has a better team than the Bears had last year, and Brandeis does not have a better team than the Judges had last year. 

Keep in mind that the Brandeis men's basketball team could only afford to send 12 players on this weekend's trip due to financial considerations.  Normally, a UAA team is allowed to send up to 15 players on the travel squad.

Best of luck to the Wash U Bears in the NCAA tournament.

My guess is violation of team rules.  Friday night (after the game) in Chicago I am sure had something to do with it.  My guess is that they were either late for room check (if they had it), missed their wake up call, or were late for the bus to the airport (with three players being punished, it is more likely they all were punished for the same thing and were together when it happened, although obviously there are other possibilities).  When you are on the road in a big city like Chicago, Friday night after the game is a popular time to go out.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 08, 2009, 09:10:55 PM
Taking another look at the box score from the Brandeis/Wash U game:

Besides Kenny Small, Terrell Hollins, and Christian Yemga being the obvious players who had to sit out today, Napoleon Lherrisson didn't get any minutes today either.  I'm sure that Lherrisson would have gotten some minutes today but he may have been benched as well. 

With Weldon and Shannon getting limited minutes, Brandeis essentially had to play Wash U today with just 6 effective players.  You cannot win a UAA game with just 6 players, never mind a game with Wash U as your opponent.

Still, under the circumstances, I think Brandeis did fine today with what they had.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WAS A PLAYER on February 13, 2009, 01:10:40 PM
Wow, a whole week goes by and nothing to talk about? I see some interesting and important games this weekend. Wash U can secure at least a co-championship with two wins, I believe. Carnegie and Rochester could a long way in putting themselves in  position for the post season. I was wondering why Matt Corning didn't play last Sunday and if he will play this weekend? Is everyone healthy and will suspended players be back?  What are eveyones thoughts and observations?

WAP
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 13, 2009, 03:31:23 PM
Quote from: WAS A PLAYER on February 13, 2009, 01:10:40 PM
Wow, a whole week goes by and nothing to talk about? I see some interesting and important games this weekend. Wash U can secure at least a co-championship with two wins, I believe. Carnegie and Rochester could a long way in putting themselves in  position for the post season. I was wondering why Matt Corning didn't play last Sunday and if he will play this weekend? Is everyone healthy and will suspended players be back?  What are eveyones thoughts and observations?

WAP

Only one interesting game tonight: Brandeis at CMU (given Brandeis has all their players back).  Of the other 3, I think only Chicago at Case will be competitive, but that game doesnt really mean anything to anyone but the two teams playing.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 13, 2009, 04:30:23 PM
The situation on the Brandeis players, according to the Justice this week:

Andre Roberson, Terrell Hollins, and Kenny Small will be in uniform and have made the trip with the Brandeis team this weekend, but it is a game-time decision whether or not they play tonight against Carnegie Mellon.

Christian Yemga and Napoleon Lherrisson have been benched for this weekend as a result of the events from last weekend and will not play against Carnegie Mellon and Rochester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 13, 2009, 06:45:50 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 13, 2009, 04:30:23 PM
The situation on the Brandeis players, according to the Justice this week:

Andre Roberson, Terrell Hollins, and Kenny Small will be in uniform and have made the trip with the Brandeis team this weekend, but it is a game-time decision whether or not they play tonight against Carnegie Mellon.

Christian Yemga and Napoleon Lherrisson have been benched for this weekend as a result of the events from last weekend and will not play against Carnegie Mellon and Rochester.

Here is the link to the article if anyone is interested:

http://media.www.thejusticeonline.com/media/storage/paper573/news/2009/02/10/Sports/Mbball.Five.Players.Disciplined-3621682.shtml

Since they didnt break any university (and thefore legal rules), it is likely to do with a curfew/alcohol (if they are all of age) violation (although it could be something like having "unauthorized" people in their hotel rooms).  I cant think of too many things that are legal, not against school rules, but against baskebtall team rules.  Well, it is refreshing to see a coach hold his players accountable, especially 3 of his starters.  A lot of coaches would not have been tough enough to come down that hard.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 13, 2009, 08:53:11 PM
WashU and Emory are tied at the half in Atlanta.

CMU down 2 on Brandeis at home with 18 to play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: quaj on February 13, 2009, 09:11:14 PM
I saw this in Wash. U.'s paper and wanted to post this article about D3Hoops.

http://studlife.com/sports/d3hoops.com_brings_national_flavor_to_game-1.1375180
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 13, 2009, 09:37:13 PM
Brandeis 66 CMU 63 F
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 13, 2009, 09:41:25 PM
CMU had a chance to tie it with the last play of the game but Einwag missed a 3 a foot or two behind the arc.

Rochester also goes down.  Both teams are going to need to play really well down the stretch, especially since they both play at WashU and they play eachother the last game of the season at Rochester. The last game of the season could be for one of the last Pool C spots.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: T990 on February 13, 2009, 09:49:40 PM
Spartans over the Maroons 66 - 59 tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on February 13, 2009, 09:58:18 PM
Washington U edges Emory 71-68
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 13, 2009, 10:03:29 PM
Wash U lucky to escape with the win at Emory tonight.  Tyler Nading carried the team on his back in the second half.  Bears shot poorly from the line.  AT really struggled from the field.  Emory really kept a body on him but he missed open shots as well.  Wash U will have to get back into on offensive groove for their game on Sunday at Case.  Spartans picked up a nice win against a Chicago team that has been playing better as of late.  Bears can clinch the UAA title with a win on Sunday at Case. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pradam on February 14, 2009, 03:54:59 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 13, 2009, 06:45:50 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 13, 2009, 04:30:23 PM
The situation on the Brandeis players, according to the Justice this week:

Andre Roberson, Terrell Hollins, and Kenny Small will be in uniform and have made the trip with the Brandeis team this weekend, but it is a game-time decision whether or not they play tonight against Carnegie Mellon.

Christian Yemga and Napoleon Lherrisson have been benched for this weekend as a result of the events from last weekend and will not play against Carnegie Mellon and Rochester.

Here is the link to the article if anyone is interested:

http://media.www.thejusticeonline.com/media/storage/paper573/news/2009/02/10/Sports/Mbball.Five.Players.Disciplined-3621682.shtml

Since they didnt break any university (and thefore legal rules), it is likely to do with a curfew/alcohol (if they are all of age) violation (although it could be something like having "unauthorized" people in their hotel rooms).  I cant think of too many things that are legal, not against school rules, but against baskebtall team rules.  Well, it is refreshing to see a coach hold his players accountable, especially 3 of his starters.  A lot of coaches would not have been tough enough to come down that hard.

They're all under 21, so it wasn't alcohol.  That was basically the point of putting that line in.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 14, 2009, 08:21:34 PM
Quote from: pradam on February 14, 2009, 03:54:59 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 13, 2009, 06:45:50 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 13, 2009, 04:30:23 PM
The situation on the Brandeis players, according to the Justice this week:

Andre Roberson, Terrell Hollins, and Kenny Small will be in uniform and have made the trip with the Brandeis team this weekend, but it is a game-time decision whether or not they play tonight against Carnegie Mellon.

Christian Yemga and Napoleon Lherrisson have been benched for this weekend as a result of the events from last weekend and will not play against Carnegie Mellon and Rochester.

Here is the link to the article if anyone is interested:

http://media.www.thejusticeonline.com/media/storage/paper573/news/2009/02/10/Sports/Mbball.Five.Players.Disciplined-3621682.shtml

Since they didnt break any university (and thefore legal rules), it is likely to do with a curfew/alcohol (if they are all of age) violation (although it could be something like having "unauthorized" people in their hotel rooms).  I cant think of too many things that are legal, not against school rules, but against baskebtall team rules.  Well, it is refreshing to see a coach hold his players accountable, especially 3 of his starters.  A lot of coaches would not have been tough enough to come down that hard.

They're all under 21, so it wasn't alcohol.  That was basically the point of putting that line in.

I wasnt aware of their ages, so that rules that out.  It was probably curfew or late for the bus to the airport then.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 15, 2009, 01:41:16 PM
Easy win for Brandeis today at Rochester, first win there since 1995.  Funny, with all the controversy, the team probably had its best weekend of the year.  Too little too late, probably, but it was nice to see the team operating on all gears, especially in the second half when they pulled away.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 15, 2009, 01:57:08 PM
Congratulations to Brandeis on sweeping the CMU/Rochester road trip.

Also, as of 1:53 PM Eastern time/12:53 PM Central time, Wash U is your 2008-2009 UAA Men's Basketball Champion.  Wash U clinches the first bid to the 2009 NCAA DIII Men's Basketball Tournament.  Case sure made it an interesting game, however.  Final score is Wash U 71, Case 63.

Congratulations to the Wash U Bears on clinching the UAA Men's Basketball Championship.  Best of luck to Wash U in the NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 15, 2009, 01:58:50 PM
Chicago wins at Emory today, 53-51, with a 3 pointer from Jake Pancratz with 1 second left.  Emory had taken the lead with about 50 seconds left on a layup by Chad Hixon. Chicago improves to 5-6 in the conference.

CMU also wins today, improving to 7-4 in the conference.  They still have some work to do, though, as they have 3 road games remaining (WashU, Chicago, and Rochester).  I think they need to win 2 of those 3 to feel safe about their chances for the NCAAs and need to at least win one of them to have a chance.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 15, 2009, 05:05:13 PM
Wash.U. wins the league! Time for Sager and my other detractors to dock more karma points from me for my alleged arrogance and obnoxious remarks. Seriously, though, congrats to the guys for bringing the title back to the arch city. Now it's time to make sure everything is running on all cylinders come tournament time and to ensure that home court advantage is ours until Salem (not saying we'll get back there, just that it'd be nice to know we'll be home for the first portion of the tournament).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 15, 2009, 07:58:18 PM
Tough day shooting for the Bears 34.5% first halft 29.2% second half  32.1% for game (3-14 from behind the arc)  Free throw shooting made the difference 34-40 +24 for the Bears).  Bears at home for the last 3 regular season games.  Case only shot 34.3% so it was generally a pretty ugly game for shooting fans.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 16, 2009, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 15, 2009, 05:05:13 PM
Wash.U. wins the league! Time for Sager and my other detractors to dock more karma points from me for my alleged arrogance and obnoxious remarks

I've never done anything at all to your karma, but since baseless accusations are your specialty I won't stop you while you're on a roll. ;) :D

Chicago's now sitting at 5-6, alone in fifth place. If the Maroons can take down Rochester and Carnegie Mellon this coming weekend in the Ratner Center, they can make a strong push for a first-division finish in spite of the fact that they're likely to end the season with a loss at Wash U.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 18, 2009, 04:33:32 PM
Regional Rankings out:

WU: #1 in Midwest

CMU: drops only 1 spot to #3 in the Great Lakes

Rochester: drops slightly to # 4 in the East

Brandeis:  Debuts at #10 in the East (if they can win out, you never know, UNE plays at Gordon, Amherst could lose in the NESCAC tourney, Salem State could drop a game, they could find their way up to # 7 or so in the NE and then if things hold up ahead of them, they may be in consideration. One could see a scenario where 5 of the top 6 teams get a Pool A or Pool B bid and Brandeis could be the second team from the NE up for Pool C consideration, but its a long shot).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tommygun on February 20, 2009, 02:40:09 PM
Just a thought on Brandeis, I have contended that I think they can sneak in with 17 wins due to their strength of schedule for a while.  Obviously they have to win out, but I really think that CMU is going to help them.  Say CMU loses one more, (with two losses I still contend they have a pretty good shot,) and finish 19-6.  They have a better overall record, and a much better region record than Brandeis.  But if they were on the board for consideration at the same time, wouldn't you have a hard time taking Carnegie over Brandeis?  Brandeis will have a better UAA record, which to be fair, I don't know if they look at that at all, but much more importantly Brandeis has beaten CMU twice.  I just don't see how they could keep a 19-6 CMU team out and if they take CMU and Brandeis has worked their way upto the second at-large team in the NE as Hugenerd describes and is on the board, I think they would have to seriously consider Brandeis as well. 

I've said all-along that I think they can get in with 17 and I still think they have a pretty good shot.  Time will tell.

On another note, and I realize I'm stating the obvious, but the East region is really weak.  Despite that, I think Rochester is going to have to win out, and I think they have no shot at that.  So it's down to Carnegie having some work to do, although I think with wins over Wooster and JCU (a win which looks better and better every day,) plus their non-conference loss, I believe, is out of region, so they would only have 6 region losses, so I think they would still get in at 18-7 and Brandeis who has to win out and then sweat it out.  But for all the reasons hugenerd posted above I continue to believe they have a good shot at it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 20, 2009, 02:49:24 PM
Tommy,

Here is some further discussion on Brandeis that I posted yesterday on the NEWMAC board (we were discussing NE region rankings):

As for Brandeis, it seems like they have a lot of losses, but you have to consider who they are against:  They have 2 "in-region" losses to WashU who is one of the top 2 teams in the country, they have a loss to #1 NE WPI, a loss to #6 NE UMD, and #4 in the East Rochester.  They also have been pretty good in their last 19 games (14-5) after losing the first 3.  Couple that with the fact they have a 14 point win over RIC (#4 in NE), a 15 point win at Amherst (#8 in NE), two wins over CMU (#3 in the great lakes), and a win over Rochester (#4 in the East) and they have a decent resume.  They have 3 "bad" losses that will hurt them: Lasell (I know they are 17-7 but still they arent ranked in NE), Framingham State, and at Chicago.  I think they move ahead of UNE this week, with their loss at Gordon, (Brandeos should take care of Emory and Case Western at home) and I would also put them ahead of Amherst since they beat them pretty badly at their place (especially if Amherst slips up in the NESCAC tourney).  They could potentially be ranked as high as #7 on selection Sunday if Salem State loses their tourney.  If WPI, Middlebury, RIC or UMD, and Bridgewater wins their tourney (and Elms gets the Pool B), they could be second team under consideration out of the NE on selection sunday (behind UMD or RIC).  They will also likely finish 2nd in the UAA (if they win out, CMU still has to play WashU and Rochester, Brandeis has the 3 worst teams in the conference remaining), which could help them because it is a pretty strong national conference. Dont forget that Brandeis also has extremely high OWP and OOWP numbers (.623 and .538).  In fact, Brandeis has the highest OWP in the country at 0.623 by almost a full 0.02 (which is a pretty significant amount), meaning they have played the toughest schedule in d3. It will be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on February 20, 2009, 03:32:18 PM
Just a reminder, some of these things don't matter.

Margin of victory is not a factor. By 1 or 100, it's just a win.
When the games were won or lost (so the 14-5 run doesn't matter).
Where you finish in the league.
How early you're on the selection board.

If Brandeis and Carnegie are on the board at the same time, I would think the head-to-head would come into play, to Brandeis' advantage.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 20, 2009, 03:42:33 PM
Quote from: pabegg on February 20, 2009, 03:32:18 PM
Just a reminder, some of these things don't matter.

Margin of victory is not a factor. By 1 or 100, it's just a win.
When the games were won or lost (so the 14-5 run doesn't matter).
Where you finish in the league.
How early you're on the selection board.

If Brandeis and Carnegie are on the board at the same time, I would think the head-to-head would come into play, to Brandeis' advantage.



I agree with you, but when you are one of the top 8 teams and under consideration for Pool C, it seems to me that the process becomes much more subjective.  Stats like in-region winning percentage, OWP, and OOWP all seem to no longer be as valid and, since people are making these decisions and there is no exact formula, I think some of these subjective measures may come into play.  The head-to-head I am sure will be big, no doubt, if both teams are under consideration at the same time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2009, 04:24:01 PM
hungenerd - I don't think you realize that when the coaches get together and make these decisions, they only base it on the information they are allowed to consider... period. Believe it or not, the regional rankings we see are practice for them for when they have to select the final rankings for eventual selection to the NCAA tournament. Then the overall committee looks at those selections based on the information they are allowed to consider and judge from there. That is why we always say on this site, a game back in November means just as much as a game in February when it comes to selecting teams for the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 20, 2009, 05:08:52 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 20, 2009, 04:24:01 PM
hungenerd - I don't think you realize that when the coaches get together and make these decisions, they only base it on the information they are allowed to consider... period. Believe it or not, the regional rankings we see are practice for them for when they have to select the final rankings for eventual selection to the NCAA tournament. Then the overall committee looks at those selections based on the information they are allowed to consider and judge from there. That is why we always say on this site, a game back in November means just as much as a game in February when it comes to selecting teams for the tournament.

Well, I see Dave has figured out my other nickname.

I understand what you are saying, but winning margin aside, I am pretty sure results against ranked opponents and head-to-head are (or maybe it was and I am misremembering) a criteria.  Brandeis' wins against top opponents will matter.  For example, since UNE lost, Brandeis will move up a spot (presumably) and be ranked adjacent to Amherst.  Since they beat Amherst, I could see that causing a switch in those rankings.  Anyway, the people making these decisions are human.  Explain to me how Wheaton (IL) made the tourney last year according to the numbers (pabegg has said he cannot) and I will concede.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2009, 06:22:58 PM
Well... there are more than just numbers in place... this is true. pabegg's numbers are a certain factor and are heavily considered... but there are other criteria and certainly head-to-head matters. Brandeis has a chance to get in and if they are head-to-head with Carnegie, they probably get the nod. However, they will also be head-to-head with six other regions, so they could be left on the board (with Carnegie) the entire time... who knows.

All I am saying is: don't add criteria and assume that the committees will add factors and criteria that they want to chose a team. Wheaton made it on other criteria that the committee used... not just the raw numbers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 20, 2009, 08:24:28 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 20, 2009, 06:22:58 PM
Well... there are more than just numbers in place... this is true. pabegg's numbers are a certain factor and are heavily considered... but there are other criteria and certainly head-to-head matters. Brandeis has a chance to get in and if they are head-to-head with Carnegie, they probably get the nod. However, they will also be head-to-head with six other regions, so they could be left on the board (with Carnegie) the entire time... who knows.

All I am saying is: don't add criteria and assume that the committees will add factors and criteria that they want to chose a team. Wheaton made it on other criteria that the committee used... not just the raw numbers.

Agreed.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 20, 2009, 10:57:23 PM
Rochester loses badly at Chicago, 74-54.  They are done in terms of NCAAs, in my opinion (with a game against WashU coming up on Sunday).

CMU goes down tonight to WashU, 77-63.  Game was single digits most of the second half but CMU never got closer than 6 or 7 points.  They now have two must wins at Chicago and at Rochester to close out the season.

NYU and Brandeis also win.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 21, 2009, 07:47:53 AM
Tyler Nading had a huge night for the Bears.  AT had a quiet 13.  Rochester will come in Sunday for what they must feel is a must win situation if they are to have any chance of securing a bid to the tourney.  AT needs 20 to get to 1000 in his career.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 21, 2009, 02:48:38 PM
Chicago played outstanding defense in last night's 74-54 win over Rochester. The Maroons held the Yellowjackets to only .304 shooting from the field, a figure UR compounded by only hitting 15 of its 28 free throws. It was a back-and-forth game throughout the first half, as both teams had trouble getting into an offensive flow in the wake of great defense at either end of the floor. Chicago went into the intermission with a 29-25 lead, and it was still only a six-point game when the Maroons began to pull away at the 12-minute mark of the second half. But pull away they did, as the lead was comfortably into the twenties and Mike McGrath had a chance to empty his bench in garbage time.

Jake Pancratz had a terrific night in spite of foul trouble cutting into his minutes, as he hit all five bombs he launched and ended the night with 17 points. John Kinsella added 14 and Michael Sustarsic chipped in 10, while Tom Watson and Tom Williams contributed the bulk of the work in Chicago's 42-37 rebounding advantage by grabbing eight and seven caroms, respectively. Rochester sharpshooter Mike Chmielowiec led UR with 16, but it took him 15 shots to reach that number. I continue to be amazed by what a quick release he has, but for every contested trey that he turned into a swish he also threw up a badly-launched brick. I was very impressed by Rochester's young forwards, Roberson, Serle, and Novosel, all of whom appear to have bright futures in the UAA. I was much less impressed by Rochester's guards.

A win over Carnegie Mellon tomorrow would go a long way towards securing a first-division finish for the Maroons.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 21, 2009, 02:58:09 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 21, 2009, 02:48:38 PM
A win over Carnegie Mellon tomorrow would go a long way towards securing a first-division finish for the Maroons.

It would also likely give CMU a chance to repeat in the ECAC South tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 22, 2009, 02:14:09 PM
Mike C. has a great game as Rochester upsets Wash U 70-69.  Wash U misses 2 fts. with .4 secs left.  Mike C. has 32 points.  AT gets to 1000 with 20 but fouls out with several minutes to go.  Bears go to 22-2, might have hurt their NCAA hosting chances. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 22, 2009, 02:32:35 PM
Very very disappointing loss for Wash.U., but give all the credit in the world to Near and Chamilowek. They came ready to play and ruined Edwards' 500 party, AT's 1000 party, and Wash.U.'s chance at an undefeated UAA season in the process. Tough one to swallow as a Bears die hard, but the hope is that this might re-focus the team before the tournament and that we will play with a new urgency on what I hope will be a return trip to Salem four short weeks from now...

I also think Mike's performance today changes the dynamic in the UAA POY race. I thought AT had just about sewed it up, but if Chamillionaire can put up another 25 or 30 and get a win against Carnegie, I think it might be his. Should be a very close vote...interested to hear what others have to say.

Congrats to AT, despite the final outcome.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 22, 2009, 04:24:15 PM
Carnegie Mellon getS a much needed win today at Chicago.  I think they will get a Pool C bid if they can win at Rochester next week (giving them a record of 19-6 and 15-5 in region.

Brandeis also wins again, improving to 16-8.  Their OWP will likely be hurt this week because their opponents were a combined 14-34 this weekend.  How does that work in this case anyway?  Since Case and Emory are not in Brandeis' region, do only the games Case and Emory played against NE and UAA opponents count when calculating OWP or do all in-region games for Case and Emory count?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on February 22, 2009, 04:57:12 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 22, 2009, 04:24:15 PM
Their OWP will likely be hurt this week because their opponents were a combined 14-34 this weekend.  How does that work in this case anyway?  Since Case and Emory are not in Brandeis' region, do only the games Case and Emory played against NE and UAA opponents count when calculating OWP or do all in-region games for Case and Emory count?

All in-region games count.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 22, 2009, 05:47:22 PM
Well, if today is the last time this season that I personally see the Brandeis men's basketball team in action, the Brandeis men gave me and the rest of the fans something to remember them by.  Brandeis shot 73.1% from the field today, hitting 38 of 52 against Case. 

The 73.1% shooting from the field easily set a new UAA record for best shooting percentage by a UAA team in a conference game.  The old record was a 68.2% shooting game from the field set by Wash U against Rochester on January 2, 1991.

Also, Brandeis and Case combined for 26 3 pointers made today.  Brandeis hit 16 of 22 from 3 pt range, and Case hit 10 of 23 from 3 pt range.  If Brandeis had hit 1 more 3, not only would Brandeis have tied Chicago's record of 17 3's made in a game, which Chicago initially set against Rochester on January 21, 2007, and tied that mark against Brandeis a few weeks ago, but the record for most 3's made in a UAA game by 2 teams would also have been tied.  The record for most 3's made by 2 teams in a UAA game was set in the Brandeis v. Emory showdown on Feb. 1, 2004, where Brandeis made 14 of 29 from 3 pt range, and Emory hit 13 of 28 from 3 pt range, for a combined 27 3 pointers made.  If Case had hit 1 more 3, the combined record would have been tied.

For Brandeis, Kenny Small hit 9 of 10 from the field, 4 of 5 from beyond the arc, and 2 of 3 from the charity stripe for 24 points.  Kevin Olson hit 8 of 9 from the field, a perfect 5 of 5 from beyond the arc, and a perfect 2 of 2 from the charity stripe for 23 points, and Steve DeLuca hit 6 of 8 from the field, 4 of 6 from beyond the arc, and 6 of 6 from the charity stripe for 22 points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 22, 2009, 10:48:49 PM
I noticed that Jack Anderson didnt play for CMU today after playing 30 minutes on Friday night.  Anyone who went to the WashU game on Friday know about an injury or any other reason he might not be playing?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sean-o on February 23, 2009, 12:21:21 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 22, 2009, 10:48:49 PM
I noticed that Jack Anderson didnt play for CMU today after playing 30 minutes on Friday night.  Anyone who went to the WashU game on Friday know about an injury or any other reason he might not be playing?

Chicago's videocast discussed his absence today ... he was out with a concussion.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 23, 2009, 11:58:46 AM
Quote from: sean-o on February 23, 2009, 12:21:21 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 22, 2009, 10:48:49 PM
I noticed that Jack Anderson didnt play for CMU today after playing 30 minutes on Friday night.  Anyone who went to the WashU game on Friday know about an injury or any other reason he might not be playing?

Chicago's videocast discussed his absence today ... he was out with a concussion.

Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 23, 2009, 07:03:01 PM
WashU stays at #2 in the national rankings this week, but drops 6 first plate votes.  CMU drops out of the top 25 to 31.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: walzy31 on February 24, 2009, 01:22:30 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 23, 2009, 07:03:01 PM
WashU stays at #2 in the national rankings this week, but drops 6 first plate votes.  CMU drops out of the top 25 to 31.
I am surprised they didn't slip in the rankings with the loss, but think that the Bears are still deserving of that #2 spot.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 24, 2009, 01:25:15 PM
Quote from: walzy31 on February 24, 2009, 01:22:30 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 23, 2009, 07:03:01 PM
WashU stays at #2 in the national rankings this week, but drops 6 first plate votes.  CMU drops out of the top 25 to 31.
I am surprised they didn't slip in the rankings with the loss, but think that the Bears are still deserving of that #2 spot.

I guess what helped is that all 3 WIAC schools right below them have also lost a game in the last couple of weeks, so compared to the field they werent doing that bad.  Puget Sound move up from 6 to 3, skipping over all 3 WIAC schools and WashU stayed at 2, while St. Thomas solidified their first place position.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 25, 2009, 01:48:01 PM
I am changing the topic a bit, mainly because I have not posted in a while and something started to pop into my head. Although the overall record is simply not as good as last year for Brandeis, a win this weekend I believe gives them the same conference record as last season. I would argue that this year's team though less consistent than last year's is perhaps a better team when playing to its potential. The losses to Rochester at Home and Chicago on the road just should not have happened. 12-2 in conference is more or less what people expected for this year's squad and would have put them right in the thick of the conference battle with wash u. Now flip around the strange loss to lasell and the even more unforgivable loss to FSC and you have a 4 loss team.

I know you can not just take away losses, but it seems as of late the judges have figured it out. If they are some how lucky enough to squeek into the tournament, I feel they would make a run as deep or deeper than last year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 25, 2009, 02:09:04 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on February 25, 2009, 01:48:01 PM
I am changing the topic a bit, mainly because I have not posted in a while and something started to pop into my head. Although the overall record is simply not as good as last year for Brandeis, a win this weekend I believe gives them the same conference record as last season. I would argue that this year's team though less consistent than last year's is perhaps a better team when playing to its potential. The losses to Rochester at Home and Chicago on the road just should not have happened. 12-2 in conference is more or less what people expected for this year's squad and would have put them right in the thick of the conference battle with wash u. Now flip around the strange loss to lasell and the even more unforgivable loss to FSC and you have a 4 loss team.

I know you can not just take away losses, but it seems as of late the judges have figured it out. If they are some how lucky enough to squeek into the tournament, I feel they would make a run as deep or deeper than last year.

As you pointed out, they are not as consistent, and I think the hypothetical run you speak of would depend on which team showed up any given night.  With that said, I think they are a better team than Amherst and should be ranked ahead of them in the region.  Whether they can be last year's Wheaton and sneak into the tourney is yet to be seen. The losses to FSC and Lasell will definitely hurt though.  Without those two I think they are ranked top 5 or 6 in NE and with their OWP numbers they would have a much firmer hold on a C right now.

I think a main reason for their inconsistency is due to the inconsistency of their go-to-guy, Steve DeLuca.  In my observation, when DeLuca has played well against good teams, Brandeis usually wins.  When he struggles, the team tends to also.  In my opinion, Joe Coppens was a more consistent player last year which had a lot to do with them playing more consistently throughout the season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 25, 2009, 03:28:21 PM
Rankings are out:

Rochester drops to # 5 in the East from #4
CMU stays at #3 in the Great Lakes
WashU drops a spot to #2 in the Midwest
Brandeis moves up 2 spots to #8 in the East
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 25, 2009, 03:37:55 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on February 25, 2009, 01:48:01 PM
I am changing the topic a bit, mainly because I have not posted in a while and something started to pop into my head. Although the overall record is simply not as good as last year for Brandeis, a win this weekend I believe gives them the same conference record as last season. I would argue that this year's team though less consistent than last year's is perhaps a better team when playing to its potential. The losses to Rochester at Home and Chicago on the road just should not have happened. 12-2 in conference is more or less what people expected for this year's squad and would have put them right in the thick of the conference battle with wash u. Now flip around the strange loss to lasell and the even more unforgivable loss to FSC and you have a 4 loss team.

I know you can not just take away losses, but it seems as of late the judges have figured it out. If they are some how lucky enough to squeek into the tournament, I feel they would make a run as deep or deeper than last year.

Yeah and oddly enough, the UR losses to Brandeis and NYU at home shouldn't have happened.  Funny how that works.

In all seriousness, the Brandeis team I saw at UR looked pretty strong
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ILive4This on February 26, 2009, 10:23:28 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 25, 2009, 02:09:04 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on February 25, 2009, 01:48:01 PM
I am changing the topic a bit, mainly because I have not posted in a while and something started to pop into my head. Although the overall record is simply not as good as last year for Brandeis, a win this weekend I believe gives them the same conference record as last season. I would argue that this year's team though less consistent than last year's is perhaps a better team when playing to its potential. The losses to Rochester at Home and Chicago on the road just should not have happened. 12-2 in conference is more or less what people expected for this year's squad and would have put them right in the thick of the conference battle with wash u. Now flip around the strange loss to lasell and the even more unforgivable loss to FSC and you have a 4 loss team.

I know you can not just take away losses, but it seems as of late the judges have figured it out. If they are some how lucky enough to squeek into the tournament, I feel they would make a run as deep or deeper than last year.

As you pointed out, they are not as consistent, and I think the hypothetical run you speak of would depend on which team showed up any given night.  With that said, I think they are a better team than Amherst and should be ranked ahead of them in the region.  Whether they can be last year's Wheaton and sneak into the tourney is yet to be seen. The losses to FSC and Lasell will definitely hurt though.  Without those two I think they are ranked top 5 or 6 in NE and with their OWP numbers they would have a much firmer hold on a C right now.

I think a main reason for their inconsistency is due to the inconsistency of their go-to-guy, Steve DeLuca.  In my observation, when DeLuca has played well against good teams, Brandeis usually wins.  When he struggles, the team tends to also.  In my opinion, Joe Coppens was a more consistent player last year which had a lot to do with them playing more consistently throughout the season.


I actually think it has more to do with playing style. Starting Kenny smalls puts a faster paced, shooting heavy offense on the floor. I do not know what team rule yemga broke, and he is a good ball player and an all around nice guy, but the team that made the trip to UR without him was a completely different team and since then they have been shooting the ball hot and putting up big points and big wins.

And to the other poster...a 30 point blowout at the palestra i think overshadows a small defeat in waltham.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 26, 2009, 10:46:00 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on February 26, 2009, 10:23:28 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 25, 2009, 02:09:04 PM
Quote from: ILive4This on February 25, 2009, 01:48:01 PM
I am changing the topic a bit, mainly because I have not posted in a while and something started to pop into my head. Although the overall record is simply not as good as last year for Brandeis, a win this weekend I believe gives them the same conference record as last season. I would argue that this year's team though less consistent than last year's is perhaps a better team when playing to its potential. The losses to Rochester at Home and Chicago on the road just should not have happened. 12-2 in conference is more or less what people expected for this year's squad and would have put them right in the thick of the conference battle with wash u. Now flip around the strange loss to lasell and the even more unforgivable loss to FSC and you have a 4 loss team.

I know you can not just take away losses, but it seems as of late the judges have figured it out. If they are some how lucky enough to squeek into the tournament, I feel they would make a run as deep or deeper than last year.

As you pointed out, they are not as consistent, and I think the hypothetical run you speak of would depend on which team showed up any given night.  With that said, I think they are a better team than Amherst and should be ranked ahead of them in the region.  Whether they can be last year's Wheaton and sneak into the tourney is yet to be seen. The losses to FSC and Lasell will definitely hurt though.  Without those two I think they are ranked top 5 or 6 in NE and with their OWP numbers they would have a much firmer hold on a C right now.

I think a main reason for their inconsistency is due to the inconsistency of their go-to-guy, Steve DeLuca.  In my observation, when DeLuca has played well against good teams, Brandeis usually wins.  When he struggles, the team tends to also.  In my opinion, Joe Coppens was a more consistent player last year which had a lot to do with them playing more consistently throughout the season.


I actually think it has more to do with playing style. Starting Kenny smalls puts a faster paced, shooting heavy offense on the floor. I do not know what team rule yemga broke, and he is a good ball player and an all around nice guy, but the team that made the trip to UR without him was a completely different team and since then they have been shooting the ball hot and putting up big points and big wins.

And to the other poster...a 30 point blowout at the palestra i think overshadows a small defeat in waltham.


Actually I was sort of agreeing, and the game at Waltham was 8-13 points until the last minute or so.  And a one point win at WashU trumps a 25 point loss.  I think.  All I was saying is that in the UAA you better hold home service, cause road wins are tough.  Especially Friday night games when the students are ready to cut loose.  Sunday games, at least in ROchester, are more of a family affair and a little more sedate.  At least this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 27, 2009, 10:26:21 AM
Quote from: ILive4This on February 26, 2009, 10:23:28 PM
I actually think it has more to do with playing style. Starting Kenny smalls puts a faster paced, shooting heavy offense on the floor. I do not know what team rule yemga broke, and he is a good ball player and an all around nice guy, but the team that made the trip to UR without him was a completely different team and since then they have been shooting the ball hot and putting up big points and big wins.

I dont understand your comment completely.  Specifically having to do with putting up big points and big wins since playing at Rochester.  They have put up big points in one game (108 vs. Case) and have only played two games since playing at Rochester (Emory and Case, in the Emory game they scored 65 points). Those two wins arent that big either.

The weekend of the Rochester game they did have two nice wins, at CMU and Rochester, that they really needed to have, but that was after a horrible weekend where they lost to Chicago, (then something happened where 1/3 their team was suspended), and then were blown out by WashU.

I think, in general, whether it is Kenny Small or Roberson (Small is obviously the better scorer), they play better when they are a bit more up tempo because it tends to free up open shots for their shooters (other teams cant set up their half court D).  Olsen is lights out from 3, but he isnt a guy who is going to make a move with the ball and pull up for 3, he usually needs to be set up.  So anything that causes his, or other, defenders to have to rotate and help is a plus for their offense. 

As for Brandeis, in general, I think they are a very good team.  Whether they are deserving of a Pool C bid or not remains to be seen, depending on Pool A upsets and other things. With that said, I definitely thought that they should be ranked ahead of Amherst in the NE and was very glad to see that the committee had looked at the quality of Brandeis' schedule, wins, and losses when making their decision on the rankings this week and not just on the fact that they have 8 losses.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 27, 2009, 05:43:06 PM
Anyone think Meehan is regretting that decision to bench his studs for the Wash.U. game? If the infractions were as insignificant as some have conjectured, you'd have to think that somewhere deep down he'd question his decision if things didn't go according to plan on selection day. That issue aside, I was hoping some of our more numerically-inclined/aware of NCAA logistics could answer a few things for me.

-Does the committee take into account margin of defeat? If so, Deis' loss to Wash.U. could also help?
-Does the committee take into account suspensions, injuries, and other external factors? Again, if they did, Deis could benefit perhaps a TINY bit since the blow-out on the road to WU would carry a slight asterix.

Anyone headed to the NYU game tomorrow? I think I may check it out. Obviously I'd love to be in the STL but living in NYC, this one will have to suffice. Pissed I didn't get back to the Lou this year, but perhaps they'll host and I'll fly out. Still, Salem is probably the closest they'll get to me, so I'm already keeping the fingers crossed on that front...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2009, 05:50:48 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 27, 2009, 05:43:06 PM
Anyone think Meehan is regretting that decision to bench his studs for the Wash.U. game? If the infractions were as insignificant as some have conjectured, you'd have to think that somewhere deep down he'd question his decision if things didn't go according to plan on selection day. That issue aside, I was hoping some of our more numerically-inclined/aware of NCAA logistics could answer a few things for me.

-Does the committee take into account margin of defeat? If so, Deis' loss to Wash.U. could also help?
-Does the committee take into account suspensions, injuries, and other external factors? Again, if they did, Deis could benefit perhaps a TINY bit since the blow-out on the road to WU would carry a slight asterix.


Anyone headed to the NYU game tomorrow? I think I may check it out. Obviously I'd love to be in the STL but living in NYC, this one will have to suffice. Pissed I didn't get back to the Lou this year, but perhaps they'll host and I'll fly out. Still, Salem is probably the closest they'll get to me, so I'm already keeping the fingers crossed on that front...

The 'official' answer to both questions would be 'no'.  Neither of these is a criterion, not even in the 'secondary criteria' list.

To the limited extent that subjectivity enters the decision-making process, I would have to assume that such factors could not be completely ruled out.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 27, 2009, 06:39:20 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2009, 05:50:48 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 27, 2009, 05:43:06 PM
Anyone think Meehan is regretting that decision to bench his studs for the Wash.U. game? If the infractions were as insignificant as some have conjectured, you'd have to think that somewhere deep down he'd question his decision if things didn't go according to plan on selection day. That issue aside, I was hoping some of our more numerically-inclined/aware of NCAA logistics could answer a few things for me.

-Does the committee take into account margin of defeat? If so, Deis' loss to Wash.U. could also help?
-Does the committee take into account suspensions, injuries, and other external factors? Again, if they did, Deis could benefit perhaps a TINY bit since the blow-out on the road to WU would carry a slight asterix.


Anyone headed to the NYU game tomorrow? I think I may check it out. Obviously I'd love to be in the STL but living in NYC, this one will have to suffice. Pissed I didn't get back to the Lou this year, but perhaps they'll host and I'll fly out. Still, Salem is probably the closest they'll get to me, so I'm already keeping the fingers crossed on that front...

The 'official' answer to both questions would be 'no'.  Neither of these is a criterion, not even in the 'secondary criteria' list.

To the limited extent that subjectivity enters the decision-making process, I would have to assume that such factors could not be completely ruled out.

In d1 I think those thinks might be taken into account (for example with Blake Griffin being injured), but, especially for the suspensions, I dont think they would take the time to look up if every player who should have was playing in that game (I dont think they read through all these boards or through every teams' press releases and boxscores.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 27, 2009, 07:44:17 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 27, 2009, 05:43:06 PM

Anyone headed to the NYU game tomorrow? I think I may check it out.

I'm sure that you will have a good time, Marty.  Unfortunately, my financial circumstances prevent me from travelling to New York for the game this year, but I will try to go back to the Coles Center next January.  It will be the first time in a few years that I will miss out on an NYU Pep Band gig, but I cannot afford 2 nights in a hotel in New Jersey this time out when I may need some money for NCAAs on the women's side of things at the very least.

Of course, I will be listening to the doubleheader on the WBRS and/or WNYU audio feeds and following the live stats.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pradam on February 27, 2009, 08:31:30 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 27, 2009, 05:43:06 PM
Anyone think Meehan is regretting that decision to bench his studs for the Wash.U. game? If the infractions were as insignificant as some have conjectured, you'd have to think that somewhere deep down he'd question his decision if things didn't go according to plan on selection day. That issue aside, I was hoping some of our more numerically-inclined/aware of NCAA logistics could answer a few things for me.

-Does the committee take into account margin of defeat? If so, Deis' loss to Wash.U. could also help?
-Does the committee take into account suspensions, injuries, and other external factors? Again, if they did, Deis could benefit perhaps a TINY bit since the blow-out on the road to WU would carry a slight asterix.

Anyone headed to the NYU game tomorrow? I think I may check it out. Obviously I'd love to be in the STL but living in NYC, this one will have to suffice. Pissed I didn't get back to the Lou this year, but perhaps they'll host and I'll fly out. Still, Salem is probably the closest they'll get to me, so I'm already keeping the fingers crossed on that front...

Nah.  Doubt Brandeis was winning at Wash U anyway.

The moments to regret were the home loss to Framingham, the road loss to Chicago and the two-point loss to Lasell to start the year.  If they win that Lasell game, they're a lock, you'd think. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: theBroadcaster on February 28, 2009, 12:30:20 AM
Quote from: pradam on February 27, 2009, 08:31:30 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 27, 2009, 05:43:06 PM
Anyone think Meehan is regretting that decision to bench his studs for the Wash.U. game? If the infractions were as insignificant as some have conjectured, you'd have to think that somewhere deep down he'd question his decision if things didn't go according to plan on selection day. That issue aside, I was hoping some of our more numerically-inclined/aware of NCAA logistics could answer a few things for me.


Nah.  Doubt Brandeis was winning at Wash U anyway.

The moments to regret were the home loss to Framingham, the road loss to Chicago and the two-point loss to Lasell to start the year.  If they win that Lasell game, they're a lock, you'd think. 


Agreed....the home loss to framingham was probably the most inexcusable.  As for the benching/suspensions, i actually think they were a blessing in disguise.  Seems to have lit a fire under a team that was languishing through a very disappointing, inconsistent season.  They haven't lost since....and guys like kenny small are playing their best ball of the year
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pradam on February 28, 2009, 02:44:40 AM
Quote from: theBroadcaster on February 28, 2009, 12:30:20 AM
Quote from: pradam on February 27, 2009, 08:31:30 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 27, 2009, 05:43:06 PM
Anyone think Meehan is regretting that decision to bench his studs for the Wash.U. game? If the infractions were as insignificant as some have conjectured, you'd have to think that somewhere deep down he'd question his decision if things didn't go according to plan on selection day. That issue aside, I was hoping some of our more numerically-inclined/aware of NCAA logistics could answer a few things for me.


Nah.  Doubt Brandeis was winning at Wash U anyway.

The moments to regret were the home loss to Framingham, the road loss to Chicago and the two-point loss to Lasell to start the year.  If they win that Lasell game, they're a lock, you'd think. 


Agreed....the home loss to framingham was probably the most inexcusable.  As for the benching/suspensions, i actually think they were a blessing in disguise.  Seems to have lit a fire under a team that was languishing through a very disappointing, inconsistent season.  They haven't lost since....and guys like kenny small are playing their best ball of the year

Right, and in reading between the lines based on conversations I and some of our reporters have had with people involved (this isn't fact, just an educated guess), the suspensions were not necessarily based on one single transgression, but rather a chronic buildup.  (Again, just an educated guess, no confirmation there).  Meehan told us something interesting when we were reporting on that story, but it never made it to print.  He was saying that what goes on off the court matters on the court, and that the team's on-court inconsistency was happening in part because of stuff going on off the court, including whatever he suspended the players for.  I'm not sure what he was getting at, but it's definitely no coincidence their play has really picked up since the incident.

May be too little too late if more top teams lose in conference tourneys, but I agree, blessing in disguise.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pradam on February 28, 2009, 03:04:22 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 27, 2009, 10:26:21 AM
Quote from: ILive4This on February 26, 2009, 10:23:28 PM
I actually think it has more to do with playing style. Starting Kenny smalls puts a faster paced, shooting heavy offense on the floor. I do not know what team rule yemga broke, and he is a good ball player and an all around nice guy, but the team that made the trip to UR without him was a completely different team and since then they have been shooting the ball hot and putting up big points and big wins.

I dont understand your comment completely.  Specifically having to do with putting up big points and big wins since playing at Rochester.  They have put up big points in one game (108 vs. Case) and have only played two games since playing at Rochester (Emory and Case, in the Emory game they scored 65 points). Those two wins arent that big either.

The weekend of the Rochester game they did have two nice wins, at CMU and Rochester, that they really needed to have, but that was after a horrible weekend where they lost to Chicago, (then something happened where 1/3 their team was suspended), and then were blown out by WashU.

I think, in general, whether it is Kenny Small or Roberson (Small is obviously the better scorer), they play better when they are a bit more up tempo because it tends to free up open shots for their shooters (other teams cant set up their half court D).  Olsen is lights out from 3, but he isnt a guy who is going to make a move with the ball and pull up for 3, he usually needs to be set up.  So anything that causes his, or other, defenders to have to rotate and help is a plus for their offense. 

As for Brandeis, in general, I think they are a very good team.  Whether they are deserving of a Pool C bid or not remains to be seen, depending on Pool A upsets and other things. With that said, I definitely thought that they should be ranked ahead of Amherst in the NE and was very glad to see that the committee had looked at the quality of Brandeis' schedule, wins, and losses when making their decision on the rankings this week and not just on the fact that they have 8 losses.

Let me see if this explanation furthers ILive4This', because I think he's on to something here with the playing style.

Brandeis has always been an up-tempo team since Meehan got here.  The problem is, for the first time in Meehan's tenure, his team lacks the depth to play that style.  Meehan shortened his rotation really early in the season, burying Hughes and Kryskas.  They basically went six deep, seven if you count McGee.  So while they have players best suited for fast-paced ball, they've played slower a lot this year because of their lack of depth.

I think that explains the big fluctuation in scoring totals.  Brandeis is a pretty efficient offensive team no matter what pace they play.  They're outshooting opponents, shooting way more free throws and turning the ball over less, all factors of a really efficient offense.  The difference has been that their pace fluctuates greatly because they want to play up-tempo, but lack the bodies to do it.  It's one of their major problems, methinks.  They play some games really fast and others slow. 

So I wouldn't read all that much into their point totals.  They're more a function of the pace problems than any sort of offensive capability.  Brandeis is an outstanding offensive team no matter how they play.  Their problems have been pace and defense. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: quaj on February 28, 2009, 07:26:58 PM
Congratulations to Wash. U. Coach Mark Edwards on his 500th victory as the Bears ended the regular season with a 72-49 victory over Chicago.

Chicago didn't have a point for the first six minutes of the game as Wash. U. surged to a 14 point lead. It was a combination of tough defense and some bad bounces.

I was very impressed in how both the Chicago and Wash. U. Pep Bands played the same songs together. That's dedication for the Chicago students to make the trip.

Good luck to the other UAA teams during selection time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 28, 2009, 08:54:59 PM
CMU wins at Rochester today.  Rochester's Pool C chances are done.  CMU strengthens their resume, finishing the season 19-6 with one of those losses out of region (Richard Stockton).  I think they will likely make it, the only hangup could be the Pool A upsets that are occuring around the country and if Brandeis makes it into the top 8 before CMU is off the board.  They definitely helped themselves with the win today, though.  They will have to sweat it out, but I think they have a real good shot of making it, being the first or 2nd ranked team in the GL after the Pool As are handed out.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pradam on February 28, 2009, 09:15:10 PM
So Brandeis routs NYU 63-44, a very good end to the season.

Upsets around the country make it seem unlikely to me that the UAA will get three bids.  So, if there's a second team from the UAA (an open question in and of itself), who goes, Carnegie or Brandeis?

A quick comparison:

Brandeis - 17-8 in region, currently 8th in Northeast
-10th in OWP
-Wins against regionally-ranked teams: NE4 Rhode Island College, NE9 Amherst, GL3 Carnegie Mellon (twice), E5 Rochester (split),
-Manageable losses: MW2 Wash U (twice), NE1 WPI, NE5 Umass-Dartmouth
-Bad losses: Lasell, Framingham State, Chicago
-10-4 in UAA

Carnegie - 19-5 in region, currently 3rd in Great Lakes
-(not sure their OWP, but I'm sure Brandeis is way betteR)
-Wins against GL1 John Carroll, GL5 Wooster, E5 Rochester (twice)
-Manageable losses: MW2 Wash U (twice), A1 Richard Stockton (out of region, so doesn't count)
-Bad losses: Chicago, twice to Brandeis
-9-5 in UAA

The Chicago/Wash U situation cancels itself out.  Carnegie did better against Rochester, but Brandeis swept Carnegie and they have the better UAA record (FWIW).  Brandeis' OWP is better, but they have more losses in region.  Carnegie's wins over John Carroll and Wooster slightly trump Brandeis' wins over RIC and Amherst, but not by much.  Carnegie was home both times, while Brandeis won at Amherst (though, to be fair, the RIC win should mean less than it does because Bobby Bailey was out for RIC). 

So, it's close.  Carnegie's advantages are fewer bad losses, a better signature win (John Carroll>RIC) and a better regional record, albeit in a weaker region.  Brandeis' major advantage is the OWP.  Carnegie seems to have the edge, but it's slight.

And since it's slight, I'm wondering how the committee can possibly ignore the head-to-head situation and Brandeis' superior UAA record.  I know neither is supposed to play a major role in the committee's decision-making process, but I'd think Deis and Carnegie would be on the board at about the same time.  If so, how can you ignore those factors? 

Am I off base here?  Thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2009, 10:31:33 PM
Quote from: pradam on February 28, 2009, 09:15:10 PM
And since it's slight, I'm wondering how the committee can possibly ignore the head-to-head situation and Brandeis' superior UAA record.  I know neither is supposed to play a major role in the committee's decision-making process, but I'd think Deis and Carnegie would be on the board at about the same time.  If so, how can you ignore those factors? 

Am I off base here?  Thoughts?

You're right that the UAA standings don't figure into the process, but not about the head-to-head business. That is one of the five primary criteria, and if CMU and Brandeis are on the table at the same time you can rest assured that the sweep of the Tartans by the Judges will be brought up in the selection committee conference call.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 28, 2009, 10:53:58 PM
Quote from: pradam on February 28, 2009, 09:15:10 PM
So Brandeis routs NYU 63-44, a very good end to the season.

Upsets around the country make it seem unlikely to me that the UAA will get three bids.  So, if there's a second team from the UAA (an open question in and of itself), who goes, Carnegie or Brandeis?

A quick comparison:

Brandeis - 17-8 in region, currently 8th in Northeast
-10th in OWP
-Wins against regionally-ranked teams: NE4 Rhode Island College, NE9 Amherst, GL3 Carnegie Mellon (twice), E5 Rochester (split),
-Manageable losses: MW2 Wash U (twice), NE1 WPI, NE5 Umass-Dartmouth
-Bad losses: Lasell, Framingham State, Chicago
-10-4 in UAA

Carnegie - 19-5 in region, currently 3rd in Great Lakes
-(not sure their OWP, but I'm sure Brandeis is way betteR)
-Wins against GL1 John Carroll, GL5 Wooster, E5 Rochester (twice)
-Manageable losses: MW2 Wash U (twice), A1 Richard Stockton (out of region, so doesn't count)
-Bad losses: Chicago, twice to Brandeis
-9-5 in UAA

The Chicago/Wash U situation cancels itself out.  Carnegie did better against Rochester, but Brandeis swept Carnegie and they have the better UAA record (FWIW).  Brandeis' OWP is better, but they have more losses in region.  Carnegie's wins over John Carroll and Wooster slightly trump Brandeis' wins over RIC and Amherst, but not by much.  Carnegie was home both times, while Brandeis won at Amherst (though, to be fair, the RIC win should mean less than it does because Bobby Bailey was out for RIC). 

So, it's close.  Carnegie's advantages are fewer bad losses, a better signature win (John Carroll>RIC) and a better regional record, albeit in a weaker region.  Brandeis' major advantage is the OWP.  Carnegie seems to have the edge, but it's slight.

And since it's slight, I'm wondering how the committee can possibly ignore the head-to-head situation and Brandeis' superior UAA record.  I know neither is supposed to play a major role in the committee's decision-making process, but I'd think Deis and Carnegie would be on the board at about the same time.  If so, how can you ignore those factors? 

Am I off base here?  Thoughts?

You missed one significant win for CMU on the road, against Averett.  They are now 17-5 in the South, won the USAC AQ, and have a very good chance of being ranked in the unpublished final rankings.  By the way, CMU did not lose to Chicago, but rather Case Western.

In terms of a Pool C, I think CMU may face some problems if Brandeis is on the board at the same time as them, but that is not a given. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pradam on February 28, 2009, 11:03:45 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 28, 2009, 10:53:58 PM
Quote from: pradam on February 28, 2009, 09:15:10 PM
So Brandeis routs NYU 63-44, a very good end to the season.

Upsets around the country make it seem unlikely to me that the UAA will get three bids.  So, if there's a second team from the UAA (an open question in and of itself), who goes, Carnegie or Brandeis?

A quick comparison:

Brandeis - 17-8 in region, currently 8th in Northeast
-10th in OWP
-Wins against regionally-ranked teams: NE4 Rhode Island College, NE9 Amherst, GL3 Carnegie Mellon (twice), E5 Rochester (split),
-Manageable losses: MW2 Wash U (twice), NE1 WPI, NE5 Umass-Dartmouth
-Bad losses: Lasell, Framingham State, Chicago
-10-4 in UAA

Carnegie - 19-5 in region, currently 3rd in Great Lakes
-(not sure their OWP, but I'm sure Brandeis is way betteR)
-Wins against GL1 John Carroll, GL5 Wooster, E5 Rochester (twice)
-Manageable losses: MW2 Wash U (twice), A1 Richard Stockton (out of region, so doesn't count)
-Bad losses: Chicago, twice to Brandeis
-9-5 in UAA

The Chicago/Wash U situation cancels itself out.  Carnegie did better against Rochester, but Brandeis swept Carnegie and they have the better UAA record (FWIW).  Brandeis' OWP is better, but they have more losses in region.  Carnegie's wins over John Carroll and Wooster slightly trump Brandeis' wins over RIC and Amherst, but not by much.  Carnegie was home both times, while Brandeis won at Amherst (though, to be fair, the RIC win should mean less than it does because Bobby Bailey was out for RIC). 

So, it's close.  Carnegie's advantages are fewer bad losses, a better signature win (John Carroll>RIC) and a better regional record, albeit in a weaker region.  Brandeis' major advantage is the OWP.  Carnegie seems to have the edge, but it's slight.

And since it's slight, I'm wondering how the committee can possibly ignore the head-to-head situation and Brandeis' superior UAA record.  I know neither is supposed to play a major role in the committee's decision-making process, but I'd think Deis and Carnegie would be on the board at about the same time.  If so, how can you ignore those factors? 

Am I off base here?  Thoughts?

You missed one significant win for CMU on the road, against Averett.  They are now 17-5 in the South, won the USAC AQ, and have a very good chance of being ranked in the unpublished final rankings.  By the way, CMU did not lose to Chicago, but rather Case Western.

In terms of a Pool C, I think CMU may face some problems if Brandeis is on the board at the same time as them, but that is not a given. 

Ahh, that's right, they lost to Case, not Chicago.  Not sure whether that's better or worse. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 28, 2009, 11:24:17 PM
Also I dont know why you consider Brandeis a bad lost, they were ranked NE#8 last week.  It is obviously bad head-to-head, but its not a tremendous upset.  I would say CMU has one bad loss, while Brandeis has 3 bad losses. 

The one positive for CMU is that they may be first on the board in the GL.  Last week, Capital was ranked #2 and CMU was ranked #3.  Capital lost to JCU again, meaning their record against in-region ranked oppents will be 1-2, while CMU will be 2-0 (they beat JCU and Wooster).  CMU will also have better OWP and OOWP numbers than Capital.  Capital will be 22-4 (0.85 winning%) and CMU will be 15-5 (0.75), but will that be enough to keep Capital over CMU.  IF CMU is ranked first in the GL, then that means they would be on the board before Brandeis, but would they get off the board before Brandeis came on?  To ponder that question we can look at the NE rankings.  Using last weeks rankings, the teams ranked ahead of Brandeis that definitely need a Pool C are WPI, RIC and Salem State.  How does RIC and Salem State match-up against CMU?  RIC also lost to Brandeis, has similar OWP, slightly lower OOWP and also has 5 regional losses.  Salem State has not played Brandeis, has 6 region losses, and will have slightly higher OWP, and slightly lower OOWP.  If CMU is ranked ahead of one of these teams, that means they will come off the board before Brandeis gets on which could make all the difference for CMU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pradam on February 28, 2009, 11:46:39 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 28, 2009, 11:24:17 PM
Also I dont know why you consider Brandeis a bad lost, they were ranked NE#8 last week.  It is obviously bad head-to-head, but its not a tremendous upset.  I would say CMU has one bad loss, while Brandeis has 3 bad losses. 

It's bad only in the sense that the committee will consider H2H results.  I didn't really know where to put that information, so I put them in the "bad loss" category even though they really aren't.

I'd agree that CMU has only one bad loss, while Brandeis has three. 

Quote from: hugenerd on February 28, 2009, 11:24:17 PM
The one positive for CMU is that they may be first on the board in the GL.  Last week, Capital was ranked #2 and CMU was ranked #3.  Capital lost to JCU again, meaning their record against in-region ranked oppents will be 1-2, while CMU will be 2-0 (they beat JCU and Wooster).  CMU will also have better OWP and OOWP numbers than Capital.  Capital will be 22-4 (0.85 winning%) and CMU will be 15-5 (0.75), but will that be enough to keep Capital over CMU.  IF CMU is ranked first in the GL, then that means they would be on the board before Brandeis, but would they get off the board before Brandeis came on?  To ponder that question we can look at the NE rankings.  Using last weeks rankings, the teams ranked ahead of Brandeis that definitely need a Pool C are WPI, RIC and Salem State.  How does RIC and Salem State match-up against CMU?  RIC also lost to Brandeis, has similar OWP, slightly lower OOWP and also has 5 regional losses.  Salem State has not played Brandeis, has 6 region losses, and will have slightly higher OWP, and slightly lower OOWP.  If CMU is ranked ahead of one of these teams, that means they will come off the board before Brandeis gets on which could make all the difference for CMU.

That's interesting, though Carnegie has a lot in winning% to make up the gap.  I'd guess that Capital would stay in front of Carnegie, but barely. 

As far as the Northeast, if Carnegie can go before RIC and Salem, why not Brandeis?  RIC now has fiven regional losses.  They have good wins over UMD (twice, who beat Brandeis) and Bridgewater, but also has bad losses to Colby, Springfield and Keene (not to mention Brandeis) and a lower OWP than Deis.  RIC tops Deis, but it's not as wide a gap as I originally thought.  Salem's probably going to be easier for Brandeis to pass.  They have one marquee win (WPI, who beat Brandeis) and a higher winning %, but a lower OWP.  Brandeis' win over Amherst trumps Salem's win over MIT (and Bowdoin too).  Both teams lost to Framingham State.  Salem is 2-3 against the likely NE top 10 (Bowdoin will drop out), Brandeis is 2-2.  Could Brandeis not pass Salem?

Either way, your point is a good one.  I've always felt Carnegie's overall resume was better than Brandeis', except for Brandeis' two H2H wins.  If the committee thinks its way better, it may render the H2H games meaningless.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 01, 2009, 10:36:19 PM
Now that UAA play is wrapped up, here are my picks for first team, rookie of the year, and player of the year. Explanations to come when I have more time.

POY--Thompson edges Chamilowek in a close one. Chamilowek would have gotten it if he could have pulled off a miraculous performance in the finale.
1st team- Wallis, Chamilowek, Thompson, Deluca, Einwag.
2nd team-Mish, Corning, Roberson, Nading, Fernandez
3rd team--Anderson, Anderson, Pancratz, Olson, Kaplan, Herring (I added a 6th because, well, this isn't terribly official)

Notable honorable mention selections: Glavan, Small

Rookie of the Year: Richter.. with the Emory frosh all getting consideration.

Didn't see enough UAA action this year to comment much further.

Tried to go according to position, but that became a bit difficult. And, I'll be honest, I know very little about Emory or Case. This board seems to dominated by WU, UC, Roch, Deis, and NYU people.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 01, 2009, 10:41:29 PM
Dylan Richter of Wash U is a good pick for UAA Rookie of the Year despite the fact that he is not the highest scoring rookie in the UAA-- but that is because Wash U has a talented class of frosh, and Richter tends to defer to the other players as well.

The Emory frosh get consideration, but I think that Nate Novosel of Rochester also deserves consideration too, despite the fact that Rochester did not finish as strong as people would have liked them to finish.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 01, 2009, 10:54:34 PM
Deiscanton,
I totally forgot about Novosel (indeed, he might get votes for 3rd team of HM as well). He should be the UAA Rook of the year. I'll give him the edge there and Thompson the edge in the UR-WU POY battle for POY. Not surprisingly, in both cases, the players in question did what they did very much because of circumstances. WU is a junio/senior laden team, so Richter got less pt than Novosel and Thompson took less shots than Chamilowek. Novosel is that rare frosh who started every single game. Had Richter started every game, he very likely might have put up bigger numbers, but that's something we'll never know. So, amend my prior comment and give the nod to Novosel. Credit a heads up Allen with bringing it to my attention.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 02, 2009, 05:20:09 AM
Nate Novosel is also my pick for UAA Rookie of the Year, and when I talked with Wash U sports information director Chris Mitchell the week that Wash U was at Brandeis, Mitchell said that Novosel would probably win the UAA Rookie of the Year award this season, but that Richter is a future candidate for UAA Player of the Year once he reaches his junior and senior seasons at Wash U.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 02, 2009, 11:48:57 AM
Wash U vs. Lawrence @ Elmhurst
Brandeis vs. Scranton @ Franklin & Marshall
Carnegie Mellon vs. Brockport State @John Carroll
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 02, 2009, 11:52:26 AM
So those of you who chose CMU and Brandeis in the poll above are the winners (only 4 of 12 got it right).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 02, 2009, 11:52:42 AM
Quote from: WashU33Fan on March 02, 2009, 11:48:57 AM
Wash U vs. Lawrence @ Elmhurst
Brandeis vs. Scranton @ Franklin & Marshall
Carnegie Mellon vs. Brockport State @John Carroll
'


Wash U got a pretty tough draw with St. Thomas, Elmhurst, Puget Sound, Wheaton, UW-Whitewater, and UW-SP all in their sectional.  Whoever gets to Salem from that group definitely deserves it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: HopeConvert on March 02, 2009, 11:53:41 AM
Top 7 teams in the country in that sectional.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 02, 2009, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: HopeConvert on March 02, 2009, 11:53:41 AM
Top 7 teams in the country in that sectional.

I left out Platteville.  You are correct.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on March 02, 2009, 01:14:49 PM
I wish somebody could explain the Defending Champions being forced to play at the one road court they've lost on this year.  Going for the UAA women all hosting established a conflict?  Punishment for losing to Rochester?  Travel requirements because Lawrence is in the group?

On the other hand, Howard Payne is having to come to St. Louis, but then Abilene Texas is much more out of the way.  Lambert International Airport is an easy 15 minute drive from the Clayton hotels and the WashU Field House.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 02, 2009, 01:16:47 PM
Hoopsville is calling it the "bracket of death"!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on March 02, 2009, 01:30:49 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on March 02, 2009, 11:52:26 AM
So those of you who chose CMU and Brandeis in the poll above are the winners (only 4 of 12 got it right).

Thank you....thank you very much

Quote from: jagluski on March 02, 2009, 11:52:42 AM

Wash U got a pretty tough draw with St. Thomas, Elmhurst, Puget Sound, Wheaton, UW-Whitewater, and UW-SP all in their sectional.  Whoever gets to Salem from that group definitely deserves it.
Pretty tough?  That's like saying Marty supports WashU.  While true, a tad understated....

Quote from: mark_reichert on March 02, 2009, 01:14:49 PM
I wish somebody could explain the Defending Champions being forced to play at the one road court they've lost on this year.  Going for the UAA women all hosting established a conflict?  Punishment for losing to Rochester?  Travel requirements because Lawrence is in the group?.

Yeah...let's go with that...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 02, 2009, 01:32:50 PM
In odd numbered years, women have priority for 1st and 2nd round games (men for the sectionals); the Wash U women are hosting.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 02, 2009, 01:57:59 PM
I have been listening to Hoopsville all day, so I have not been able to post on this board yet, but congrats to Brian Meehan and Brandeis on landing a Pool C at-large bid to the NCAAs.  I did not think that it was possible after going 0-3 to start the season, losing to Framingham St., and then losing to Chicago, but this bid into the NCAAs makes up for all of those years from the late 80s to the early 90s and forward where Brandeis never got a break from any NCAA selection committee for an NCAA basketball tournament.

To Zach Aronow of WBRS, how would you like your crow?  Rare, medium, or well done?  :)  (Read this week's edition of the Brandeis Hoot at http://thehoot.net to see what I mean.)

Good luck to Brandeis against Scranton on Friday-- naturally, I have to be fair and support the Brandeis women in their run this year since the Brandeis women are playing at home this weekend and I went to all of the Brandeis men's NCAA tournament games last season.  I will be checking up on the progress of the Brandeis men this weekend, however-- hopefully, Brandeis can make it to another Sweet 16.

I'm dedicating this post to my friend Mr. Robert Paul of Sharon, MA, a classmate of former Brandeis athletic director Nick Rodis, who is terminally ill and is expected to pass away shortly.  Hopefully, he can live past one more weekend at the very least.....  He is a great friend of Brandeis athletics and he will be sorely missed when he passes away.  Mr. Paul has driven me to a lot of Brandeis home games over the past few years.

(Note as to modification:  I mistakenly assumed that Mr. Paul was an old Brandeis alum.  He is not, as he is much older than the 2 Brandeis alumni named Robert Paul.  Mr. Paul went to Harvard and is a member of the Harvard class of 1944, although he did not get his bachelor's degree until 1947 due to World War II.   Mr. Paul went to school with former Brandeis athletic director Nick Rodis-- Mr. Rodis was the Brandeis athletic director from 1967 to 1984, and Rodis is also a member of the 2000 class of the Brandeis Athletics Hall of Fame.  I will post more about my friend's connection to Brandeis Athletics later in the day.)



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: larry_u on March 02, 2009, 04:03:03 PM
Quote from: jagluski on March 02, 2009, 11:52:42 AM
Quote from: WashU33Fan on March 02, 2009, 11:48:57 AM
Wash U vs. Lawrence @ Elmhurst
Brandeis vs. Scranton @ Franklin & Marshall
Carnegie Mellon vs. Brockport State @John Carroll
'


Wash U got a pretty tough draw with St. Thomas, Elmhurst, Puget Sound, Wheaton, UW-Whitewater, and UW-SP all in their sectional.  Whoever gets to Salem from that group definitely deserves it.


Don't overlook Lawrence right away.  They are one of the hottest teams in the country winning 9 in a row and their last 5 wins have been by over 20 points per game.  They are a good team and in no way will it be a cakewalk for Wash U in the first round.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: larry_u on March 02, 2009, 04:28:12 PM
Please add your NCAA Tournament teams profiles here:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6299.0
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 03, 2009, 09:45:07 AM
WashU holds onto the second spot in the final regular season rankings, keeping their 1 first place vote (St. Thoms drops to 22 first place votes, Wheaton getting the other 2). 

CMU sits just out of the top 25 in 26th position, receiving 42 votes.

Brandeis is somewhere in the mid-30s with 5 votes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 04, 2009, 05:29:24 PM
http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Basketball/09_All-UAA_BKB_List.pdf

AT named 2009 UAA Player of the year!  Link shows all of the Men's and Women's all UAA selections

Congratulations to Aaron and to all of the all association selections!

AT, Tyler Nading and Sean Wallis all first teamers along with Mike C. (Rochester), Steve Deluca (Brandeis), Ryan Einwag (Carnegie Mellon) and John Mish(NYU).
Cam Smith second team and Zach Kelly honorable mention
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 06, 2009, 08:42:05 PM
AT is freakin ridiculous, he hits a 3 with 14 seconds left to put Washu up 2 (he has 26 points).  That one is going down to the wire
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 06, 2009, 08:59:23 PM
Live stats for CMU game are at:

http://www.sidearmstats.com/jcu/mbball/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 06, 2009, 10:39:25 PM
Wash U prevails. AT with 26
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: kiltieband on March 06, 2009, 10:46:58 PM
Carnegie Mellon picks up their first NCAA Tournament win ever, with a 75-70 win over Brockport State in Double OT.

Ryan Einwag played all 50 minutes.

It was a sloppy game, with 15 turnovers in regulation (and 1 more in overtime), but hopefully they got the jitters out sometime during the game.  They play John Carroll tomorrow.

Go Tartans!

And congrats to all three UAA teams who move on to play again tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: quaj on March 06, 2009, 11:01:20 PM
Congratulations and good luck to all the advancing UAA teams.

The Wash. U. game was too close for comfort. Sadly no video broadcast so I was repeatedly refreshing the live stats while watching the women's game.

AT's 26 points and closing three were huge. Nading was cold shooting 20%. I hope he sparks up tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 06, 2009, 11:42:47 PM
Wash U vs. Whitewater on Saturday.

UAA goes 3-0 men & 4-0 women in opening round Friday
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 07, 2009, 08:16:59 AM
I was impressed with Brandeis last night in Lancaster.  I think the Judges will beat F&M tonight because they appear to be a more experienced version of the Diplomats.  Hollins came off the bench and really hurt Scranton, and DeLuca was good as advertised.  Should be a great game tonight, with the home crowd helping F&M -- but I suspect not quite enough.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: kiltieband on March 07, 2009, 08:51:43 PM
CMU loses a heartbreaker to John Carroll, 76-74.  Down 10 halfway through the 2nd half, CMU fought back to tie with 18 seconds left, but Chris Zajac for John Carroll hit a falling-down jumper with 0.3 seconds left on the clock to win.

Great season Tartans.  And congrats to the Seniors, who earn 2 NCAA Tournament berths, with the first win in school history, as well as an ECAC South championship.


Brandeis also loses by 2, leaving Wash U (up 11 at half) as the only remaining UAA representative.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 08, 2009, 11:40:13 AM
Congrats to the Bears!  Games probably at Wheaton next weekend.  AT had a great weekend.  Everyone really picked it up nicely against UW-Whitewater. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 08, 2009, 12:17:11 PM
Great teams find a way to win...and often get a little help/luck in the process. Survive and advance for the Bears. I don't want to be overly presumptuous, but a part of me believes that whomever wins the WU Wheaton game will win the national title. This is as big a sweet 16 game as I've ever heard of with respect to Division 3 basketball. Hard to be hyperbolic when it comes to stating how huge this one will be.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 08, 2009, 05:05:43 PM
I'll probably be talking to Zach Aranow of WBRS around midnight tonight about the past weekend, but if CMU's loss in the second round was heartbreaking, then I believe that Brandeis's loss at Franklin & Marshall was even more heartbreaking.  F & M was putting up big leads over the Judges, and Brandeis tried to counter, but every time Brandeis got close, F & M would expand the lead again.  The biggest heartbreaker was that Brandeis was down by 20 in the second half, and then the Judges were able to rally.  Brandeis got the deficit down to 1 point and had the ball with a chance to either send it to overtime or get the win outright, but Brandeis could not get that last shot to fall in-- the deficit was just too deep.

I saw a little bit of the video from F & M-- it was a nice touch calling their die-hard fan base section the "Dip Zone."  :) 

Great job, Brandeis-- I did not think that even getting to the NCAAs would be possible when the Judges started 0-3, but this was the best season out of an 0-3 start that I could ever have imagined.  Best of luck in the future to Steve DeLuca and Kevin Olson-- I hope that the Brandeis men can go to Amherst and support our women this weekend-- to return the favor from last season when the Brandeis women's team went to Plattsburgh, NY to support the men.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 09, 2009, 02:02:23 AM
Quote from: kiltieband on March 07, 2009, 08:51:43 PM
CMU loses a heartbreaker to John Carroll, 76-74.  Down 10 halfway through the 2nd half, CMU fought back to tie with 18 seconds left, but Chris Zajac for John Carroll hit a falling-down jumper with 0.3 seconds left on the clock to win.

Great season Tartans.  And congrats to the Seniors, who earn 2 NCAA Tournament berths, with the first win in school history, as well as an ECAC South championship.


Brandeis also loses by 2, leaving Wash U (up 11 at half) as the only remaining UAA representative.

Tough way to end the season.  It looks like CMU got really good play out of Einwag, TBJ, Rife and the entire bench.  I was following the live stats and it was a bit painful watching Jack Anderson miss shot after shot, 1-11 shooting is a tough way to go out.  He and O'Rourke were a combined 2-16 (12.5%) from the field, while everyone else was 27-40 (67.5%).  CMU also shot only 14-21 from the FT line, with 3 of those misses being front ends of 1 and 1's. Despite all that CMU had a great chance to win, but I guess it wasnt meant to be.

A few other things I found to be odd were:  TBJ only played 19 minutes, despite shooting 5-5 from the field, grabbing 6 boards and getting 3 blocks (in essentially half the game)  and John Duhring, Anderson's backup, was 4-4 from the field in 11 minutes of play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 11, 2009, 04:20:01 AM
I just wanted to post here today to say that my friend Mr. Robert C. Paul of Sharon, MA passed away as of Monday, March 9, 2009.  I have put some details on the UAA women's basketball page, but I just wanted to say that Mr. Paul was known to me as the one who frequently drove me to the Brandeis basketball home games and provided me with Fig Newtons as my snack to fuel me up just before the big games.  Mr. Paul was a college classmate of former Brandeis athletic director Nick Rodis, as the two of them attended Harvard in the 1940's.  Mr. Paul is also known by many as Brandeis's #1 women's soccer fan, just as I am known by many as Brandeis's #1 basketball fan.  I will deeply miss Mr. Paul and his companionship.

His obituary is printed in today's Boston Globe for March 11, 2009.  Donations in his memory can be made to Project Bread in Boston.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2009, 04:56:07 PM
Any readers here who are even thinking they might want to attend the Final Four should enter the City of Salem's contest: Free lodging, free tickets, admission to team banquet and VIP passes:

http://www.d3hoops.com/salemgiveaway/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on March 13, 2009, 09:46:20 AM
This was posted over on the CCIW board.  Very nice homemade promo for the games this weekend.  Should be an outstanding weekend of D3 college basketball.

QuoteI just picked up another link from the Facebook group for the Wheaton team.  Let's get ready for some big time basketball games!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVpibLR667I
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 13, 2009, 11:05:40 PM
Wash U in a squeaker over Wheaton 55-52  Sean Wallis big night, AT with a solid night.  Alex Toth and Zach Kelly had big shots for the Bears. Cam Smith with a stellar defensive effort.

#1 St. Thomas vs. #2 Wash U for a trip to the final four!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Scrub023 on March 13, 2009, 11:06:19 PM
Washington deserved to win this one. They really played a great game. Hats off to Smith for making this one tough night for Raymond.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 13, 2009, 11:12:08 PM
Awesome win for the Bears. Must have gotten 50 text messages from WU people all over the country throughout the contest. Bear nation rejoices! Cam Smith with an epic defensive performance. One more win and I'll see you in Salem...WashU33, why weren't you at the game? Hopefully you get there tomorrow.

Pat Coleman on the post game: "Cam Smith had the best 36 minute scoreless stat line you can have." Truer words have never been spoken.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 13, 2009, 11:26:19 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 13, 2009, 11:12:08 PM
Awesome win for the Bears. Must have gotten 50 text messages from WU people all over the country throughout the contest. Bear nation rejoices! Cam Smith with an epic defensive performance. One more win and I'll see you in Salem...WashU33, why weren't you at the game? Hopefully you get there tomorrow.

Pat Coleman on the post game: "Cam Smith had the best 36 minute scoreless stat line you can have." Truer words have never been spoken.

I will be there tomorrow.  I have AT's Dad's District Championship game to attend tomorrow (early afternoon) and then we will fly down the turnpike to catch the game tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WahooThunder on March 13, 2009, 11:29:00 PM
Congrats to Wash U on a great win tonight and good luck tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 13, 2009, 11:41:55 PM
WashU33...it's 300 bucks for me to fly to chicago on this short notice...some part of me is considering it...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on March 14, 2009, 12:11:06 AM
save it. hopefully you'll be traveling to salem next week...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 14, 2009, 08:27:05 AM
Good luck Bears! 

I hope lots of Wash U fans will be able to make it to the west suburbs of Chicago for tonights game.  Wash U had a great contingent last Saturday night in Elmhurst.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on March 14, 2009, 10:04:15 AM
   Wash U Wheaton     Great game, great atmosphere  -  first time I ever sat amongst the Wash U family - finally worked up the 'courage' to introduce myself to some people and was immediately taken in as one of the gang - really fun knowing which parents belong to which players - and the Wheaton crowd - any misgivings regarding the seating problems of last week were quickly erased - it was handled this weekend perfectly, and all the great impressions I had of Wheaton from my visits 15 years ago played out - wonderful crowd, even with many students on Spring break, and I especially loved how many young kids were there, painted up, cheering for Wheaton....  a packed house of really nice people.....  For whoever wins St T - Wash U, beware of the upset in Salem...  after seeing the quality last night, the winner will be a huge favorite in Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: quaj on March 14, 2009, 10:53:53 AM
Quote from: hopefan on March 14, 2009, 10:04:15 AM
   Wash U Wheaton     Great game, great atmosphere  -  first time I ever sat amongst the Wash U family - finally worked up the 'courage' to introduce myself to some people and was immediately taken in as one of the gang - really fun knowing which parents belong to which players - and the Wheaton crowd - any misgivings regarding the seating problems of last week were quickly erased - it was handled this weekend perfectly, and all the great impressions I had of Wheaton from my visits 15 years ago played out - wonderful crowd, even with many students on Spring break, and I especially loved how many young kids were there, painted up, cheering for Wheaton....  a packed house of really nice people.....  For whoever wins St T - Wash U, beware of the upset in Salem...  after seeing the quality last night, the winner will be a huge favorite in Salem.

I couldn't agree more. There was a fairly large number of Wheaton fans looking to scalp tickets despite it being Spring Break. I was very pleased with the Wash. U. turnout and could hear the chants of 'We are Wash. U.' Lots of parents and alumni out there.
The kids down near the baseline were fun as well taunting Wallis and Nading when they were at the line.  Props to Wheaton for putting up a great fight especially with that lay-up at the 3 minute mark for the lead. King Arena went crazy with Wheaton fans shooting to their feet and cheering their lungs out.  It's going to be a close game tonight as well so Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 14, 2009, 08:11:36 PM
My feed gave out...anyone else having the same problem/know how to fix it? ahhhhhhhh.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on March 14, 2009, 09:11:29 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 14, 2009, 08:11:36 PM
My feed gave out...anyone else having the same problem/know how to fix it? ahhhhhhhh.



No but Wash U is up 53-48.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Scrub023 on March 14, 2009, 09:34:20 PM
Wash U.-72 St.Thomas-57 with 3:00 left

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on March 14, 2009, 09:41:43 PM
Washington U just dominates St Thomas in the 2nd half to come away with a
79-64 victory. Tyler Nading with a huge game  Wallis  and Thompson also come up big .

Wash U women advance to the Final Four as well.

Tyler Nading with 28 pts. Aaron Thompson with 17 pts and 9 rebounds. Sean Wallis with 13 pts and 10 assists.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on March 14, 2009, 09:57:27 PM
Congrats to Coach Edwards and my Bears on another run to Salem.

If I'm not mistaken, they're now 8-0 on CCIW courts in this three-year run.

It's hard to believe just how much this team steps up when they have to.

I wish that I was healthy and could make the drive to Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 14, 2009, 10:05:42 PM
I believe Wash U has got to be the favorite again. Though Guilford is a sleeper looking to slay another!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 14, 2009, 10:35:32 PM
Salem here we come! More thoughts to come later...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 14, 2009, 10:40:26 PM
Quote from: pabegg on March 14, 2009, 09:57:27 PM
Congrats to Coach Edwards and my Bears on another run to Salem.

If I'm not mistaken, they're now 8-0 on CCIW courts in this three-year run.

It's hard to believe just how much this team steps up when they have to.

I wish that I was healthy and could make the drive to Salem.


The first loss for our Bears this year was at Elmhurst.  Congrats Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 15, 2009, 01:29:02 AM
Glad I got to be in Wheaton to see the Bears clinch another trip to the final four in Salem.  AT's Dad's team won their district championship in overtime on Saturday afternoon and we were able to scurry down the turnpike to Chicago.  We missed the first 10 minutes of the first half but we were there for the Bear's big run.  Congrat Bears!  Tyler had a monster game, AT and Sean played really well. Cam Smith had a great defensive weekend.  GO BEARS!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: quaj on March 15, 2009, 02:13:02 AM
Quote from: WashU33Fan on March 15, 2009, 01:29:02 AM
Glad I got to be in Wheaton to see the Bears clinch another trip to the final four in Salem.  AT's Dad's team won their district championship in overtime on Saturday afternoon and we were able to scurry down the turnpike to Chicago.  We missed the first 10 minutes of the first half but we were there for the Bear's big run.  Congrat Bears!  Tyler had a monster game, AT and Sean played really well. Cam Smith had a great defensive weekend.  GO BEARS!

I'm a little sad I missed it because I was at Wash. U. last year when they clinched their ticket to the Final Four. On the other hand, I did get to see the Wash. U. women clinch on the way back to St. Louis and their game went to the last second. Wash. U. in the Final Four for both men and women. I still can't believe it. GO BEARS!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 15, 2009, 10:52:51 AM
Article on last night's game, with some very nice comments by the St. Thomas players and coaches, on the St. Thomas website.

http://www.tommiesports.com/mbb/news/Final_3-14.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on March 15, 2009, 12:09:08 PM
Quote from: jagluski on March 14, 2009, 10:40:26 PM
Quote from: pabegg on March 14, 2009, 09:57:27 PM
Congrats to Coach Edwards and my Bears on another run to Salem.

If I'm not mistaken, they're now 8-0 on CCIW courts in this three-year run.

It's hard to believe just how much this team steps up when they have to.

I wish that I was healthy and could make the drive to Salem.


The first loss for our Bears this year was at Elmhurst.  Congrats Bears!
Sorry, I meant in the NCAAs.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on March 15, 2009, 05:24:06 PM
Congrats to the Wash U. Bears. Bring the title back home to the STL. West of the Mississippi. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on March 15, 2009, 05:48:41 PM
Quote from: pabegg on March 15, 2009, 12:09:08 PM
Quote from: jagluski on March 14, 2009, 10:40:26 PM
Quote from: pabegg on March 14, 2009, 09:57:27 PM
Congrats to Coach Edwards and my Bears on another run to Salem.

If I'm not mistaken, they're now 8-0 on CCIW courts in this three-year run.

It's hard to believe just how much this team steps up when they have to.

I wish that I was healthy and could make the drive to Salem.


The first loss for our Bears this year was at Elmhurst.  Congrats Bears!
Sorry, I meant in the NCAAs.


Wash U's tournament results from this run...

2007
Fontbonne (home), 77-58
Whitworth (home), 63-61
@ UW-Stevens Point, 78-66
vs Hope (@ UW-Stevens Point), 58-55

Virginia Wesleyan (Salem), 65-67 (L)
Wooster (Salem), 92-84

2008
Wooster (@ Augustana), 79-74
@ Augustana, 70-67 (OT)
Buena Vista (home), 85-77 (OT)
Millsaps (home), 57-46

Hope (Salem), 89-74
Amherst (Salem), 90-68

2009
Lawrence (@ Elmhurst), 67-65
Whitewater (@ Elmhurst), 73-70
@ Wheaton, 55-52
St. Thomas (@ Wheaton), 79-64


So 6-0 on CCIW courts during the run (4 were neutral court games).

Wash U is 15-1 in the NCAA tournament in this span.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on March 15, 2009, 08:09:27 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on March 15, 2009, 05:48:41 PM
Wash U's tournament results from this run...

2007
Fontbonne (home), 77-58
Whitworth (home), 63-61
@ UW-Stevens Point, 78-66
vs Hope (@ UW-Stevens Point), 58-55

Virginia Wesleyan (Salem), 65-67 (L)
Wooster (Salem), 92-84

2008
Wooster (@ Augustana), 79-74
@ Augustana, 70-67 (OT)
Buena Vista (home), 85-77 (OT)
Millsaps (home), 57-46

Hope (Salem), 89-74
Amherst (Salem), 90-68

2009
Lawrence (@ Elmhurst), 67-65
Whitewater (@ Elmhurst), 73-70
@ Wheaton, 55-52
St. Thomas (@ Wheaton), 79-64


So 6-0 on CCIW courts during the run (4 were neutral court games).

Wash U is 15-1 in the NCAA tournament in this span.

Thanks, Bob. For some reason I was thinking that the UWSP sectional was at a CCIW site.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: CCIWchamps on March 15, 2009, 10:54:28 PM
Congrats Wash U!  As a Wheaton fan I'm pulling for you to win in Salem.  I just hope you have a larger following than those boys in the fatigues on Saturday.  If they travel with you, teach them some class in their cheers and jeers.  Other than that, congrats on a great weekend in Wheaton.  Good luck next weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: quaj on March 16, 2009, 06:04:11 AM
Quote from: CCIWchamps on March 15, 2009, 10:54:28 PM
Congrats Wash U!  As a Wheaton fan I'm pulling for you to win in Salem.  I just hope you have a larger following than those boys in the fatigues on Saturday.  If they travel with you, teach them some class in their cheers and jeers.  Other than that, congrats on a great weekend in Wheaton.  Good luck next weekend!

Thanks for your well wishes. I was in Wheaton for the Sweet 16 game but not the Wash. U./St. Thomas game and I must say I really admired the spirit of Wheaton fans. When Wheaton took the lead with three minutes to go for the first time, the spectacle of an entire gym erupting into cheers and people leaping to their feet was amazing. I especially enjoyed the little kids in front of the stands trying to distract Wash. U. players when they were shooting free throws. When I first saw the line for tickets on Friday evening, I was shocked especially considering that Wheaton was on Spring Break. Several people even asked to buy a ticket off me.

I was also impressed after the game was over when both teams formed a circle on the court and prayed together. I don't know what would be the proper word to describe it but it was nice to see that things were left out on the court.  That was one memorable game and could have easily been played in Salem. I'm sure there will be a larger following for Salem especially if fan buses pull through. But students are faced with the tough choice between Salem for the men, Holland for the women and participating in Relay for Life.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on March 16, 2009, 09:50:23 AM
ok -  I'm thinking of going down to Salem - but my rider from last year has just gotten too burned out on SLIAC hoops this year to take the trip from St Louis - so readers....

what are my options?
is there a bus going down for parents, grads, adults  -  no, I won't be the old guy on a student bus...

anybody need company going down to help pay costs?   Big Wash U fan, non smoker - talkative or quiet, whatever you want

I'll even drive, but I need a rider to keep me alert....

Really would hope to make arrangements by Tuesday.....

Feel free to PM me (personal message)

This is a shot in the dark, but I would really like to go down

Last year we drove down--leaving at 3AM arriving at 2:30 well before the game...

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: loveofthegameq on March 16, 2009, 06:32:45 PM
First time poster to the UAA message boards.  Alum of the Iowa Conference.  Saw where there was a posting for the University of Chicago assistant coaching position.  Wanted to see of there were any University of Chicago supporters or anyone from the league that could give me more info?  Did an assistant leave or are they adding a position? Any info on the style of play? Type of school? Thanks for your help!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 16, 2009, 06:43:27 PM
I wonder if any school has ever had quite the d3 basketball day that Wash U had Saturday - both teams making the Final Four by downing undefeated #1-ranked teams! WOW! :o
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on March 17, 2009, 04:16:24 PM
One of the things about this WashU team is their ability to string together runs. Here's what I've compiled:

For each game, I've listed runs of 8-0 or better (or longer runs that were slightly interrupted).

North Park 9-0, 11-0, 9-0
Colorado College 9-0, 12-0
Augustana 10-0
Aurora 16-0, 9-0
Hamilton 11-0 (18-2), 14-0
Illinois Wesleyan 8-0
Fontbonne 11-0
Eureka 12-0
Elmhurst 8-0, 8-0
Webster 9-0, 10-0
Chicago 8-0
Case 10-0, 9-0
Emory 12-0, 9-0
Rochester 14-0
Carnegie 9-0 (14-2), 17-0
Brandeis 7-0 (11-1)
NYU 21-0
Brandeis 10-0
Emory 9-0
Case 11-0, 9-0
Rochester 11-0
Chicago 14-0
Lawrence 10-0, 14-0
UW-Whitewater 11-0, 14-0
Wheaton 8-0
St. Thomas 15-0

In only three games they didn't have a major run: Anderson, 2nd NYU, 2nd Carnegie
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 17, 2009, 04:28:22 PM
Quote from: pabegg on March 17, 2009, 04:16:24 PM
One of the things about this WashU team is their ability to string together runs. Here's what I've compiled:

For each game, I've listed runs of 8-0 or better (or longer runs that were slightly interrupted).

North Park 9-0, 11-0, 9-0
Colorado College 9-0, 12-0
Augustana 10-0
Aurora 16-0, 9-0
Hamilton 11-0 (18-2), 14-0
Illinois Wesleyan 8-0
Fontbonne 11-0
Eureka 12-0
Elmhurst 8-0, 8-0
Webster 9-0, 10-0
Chicago 8-0
Case 10-0, 9-0
Emory 12-0, 9-0
Rochester 14-0
Carnegie 9-0 (14-2), 17-0
Brandeis 7-0 (11-1)
NYU 21-0
Brandeis 10-0
Emory 9-0
Case 11-0, 9-0
Rochester 11-0
Chicago 14-0
Lawrence 10-0, 14-0
UW-Whitewater 11-0, 14-0
Wheaton 8-0
St. Thomas 15-0

In only three games they didn't have a major run: Anderson, 2nd NYU, 2nd Carnegie


Oh no! This is the sort of thing Darryl loves, I can see him incorporating something like this into a future program.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 17, 2009, 06:19:49 PM
Congrats to Aaron Thompson for being named first team in the Midwest.  Sean Wallis only made the 2nd team, which may hurt his chances at 1st team all-america (has it ever happened where a player made 2nd team in the region and first team all-america?). Tyler Nading also made the 2nd team.

Big snub in the great lakes, as Ryan Einwag from CMU didnt make any team.

Preseason 1st team All-America Steve DeLuca did not make any of the region teams either, which I think makes him eligible for any of the all-america teams.

Mike C. made first team in the east
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 17, 2009, 08:36:20 PM
Congrats to all of the All-Region selection.  AT had a great year as did the entire Wash U team. Congrats AT!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on March 19, 2009, 09:52:04 AM
These twins headed to NYU are a big pick-up for the UAA:

http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/737/Stockmals-Make-Their-Pick.php

MIT was supposedly their other finalist, and they also received a lot of interest from NESCAC and some interest from the Ivy League.  Kyle Stockmal broke former teammate Anthony Coppola's scoring record, and he is one of the top players in NEWMAC as only a sophomore. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on March 19, 2009, 09:42:20 PM
There's a nice writeup in Notables on the WashU programs by Andrei Berman, focusing on the closeness of the teams that UAA style road trips foster:

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2009/03/19/off-the-floor-bears-all-friends.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: woowashu on March 19, 2009, 09:51:23 PM
Well, looks like D.T. will get to see the games this weekend after all. 

Great season for Aaron Thompson's alma mater, the Elida Bulldogs!  But at least now, Coach/Father Denny and Manager/Brother Aric will get to see Aaron defend Wash U's title!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 20, 2009, 12:09:34 PM
I just checked the schedule on the NCAA Player.

According to the schedule-- and this is a late update--

We know that both national semifinals and the consolation game will be video streamed on the NCAA Player.  The latest schedule update on the player has the NCAA also video streaming CBS College Sports's broadcast of the national championship game-- in addition to D3Hoops.com's separate audio stream of the title game.  To my knowledge, this is the first year that the NCAA will be video streaming the title game, and this will be a great benefit to those people who do not get CBS College Sports on their cable systems.

Also, a correction from the Hoopsville announcement--

Because CBS College Sports will also be doing the DIII national championship game for men's ice hockey at 5 PM Eastern on Saturday, the third place game for DIII men's basketball will be at 12:30 PM Eastern tomorrow (March 20), followed by the DIII men's basketball national championship game at 3 PM Eastern tomorrow.  (March 20).

In previous years, the Hoopsville schedule for Saturday would be correct.

(PS-- for DIII hockey fans, both semifinals and the championship game for both men's and women's ice hockey will also be video streamed-- check the schedule on the NCAA Player for details.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pabegg on March 20, 2009, 06:30:25 PM
Quote from: pabegg on March 17, 2009, 04:16:24 PM
One of the things about this WashU team is their ability to string together runs. Here's what I've compiled:

For each game, I've listed runs of 8-0 or better (or longer runs that were slightly interrupted).

North Park 9-0, 11-0, 9-0
Colorado College 9-0, 12-0
Augustana 10-0
Aurora 16-0, 9-0
Hamilton 11-0 (18-2), 14-0
Illinois Wesleyan 8-0
Fontbonne 11-0
Eureka 12-0
Elmhurst 8-0, 8-0
Webster 9-0, 10-0
Chicago 8-0
Case 10-0, 9-0
Emory 12-0, 9-0
Rochester 14-0
Carnegie 9-0 (14-2), 17-0
Brandeis 7-0 (11-1)
NYU 21-0
Brandeis 10-0
Emory 9-0
Case 11-0, 9-0
Rochester 11-0
Chicago 14-0
Lawrence 10-0, 14-0
UW-Whitewater 11-0, 14-0
Wheaton 8-0
St. Thomas 15-0

In only three games they didn't have a major run: Anderson, 2nd NYU, 2nd Carnegie

16-0 run tonight
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 20, 2009, 06:41:32 PM
Quote from: pabegg on March 20, 2009, 06:30:25 PM
Quote from: pabegg on March 17, 2009, 04:16:24 PM
One of the things about this WashU team is their ability to string together runs. Here's what I've compiled:

For each game, I've listed runs of 8-0 or better (or longer runs that were slightly interrupted).

North Park 9-0, 11-0, 9-0
Colorado College 9-0, 12-0
Augustana 10-0
Aurora 16-0, 9-0
Hamilton 11-0 (18-2), 14-0
Illinois Wesleyan 8-0
Fontbonne 11-0
Eureka 12-0
Elmhurst 8-0, 8-0
Webster 9-0, 10-0
Chicago 8-0
Case 10-0, 9-0
Emory 12-0, 9-0
Rochester 14-0
Carnegie 9-0 (14-2), 17-0
Brandeis 7-0 (11-1)
NYU 21-0
Brandeis 10-0
Emory 9-0
Case 11-0, 9-0
Rochester 11-0
Chicago 14-0
Lawrence 10-0, 14-0
UW-Whitewater 11-0, 14-0
Wheaton 8-0
St. Thomas 15-0

In only three games they didn't have a major run: Anderson, 2nd NYU, 2nd Carnegie

16-0 run tonight




Inc luding the the first 11 by Sean Wallis on his own!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on March 20, 2009, 06:45:56 PM
Washington U advances to the title game with a 77-58 win over Guilford. Wash U up 46-41 with 11:50 to play when Sean Wallis goes on an 11-0 run hitting a layup and 3 consecutive 3's to break the game wide open. Aaron Thompson set a Salem record with 8 3 pointer's out of 12 attempts and scored a total of 30 points Wallis ended up with 15. Thompson also had a game high 9 rebounds while Wallis added 5 assists.
Clay Henson topped Guilford with 23 pts and Tyler Sanborn finished with 11 pts and 7 boards.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 20, 2009, 06:46:13 PM
Congrats to WashU on their impressive win and moving on to the championship game tomorrow.  AT put together another very impressive game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: CCIWchamps on March 20, 2009, 06:58:21 PM
Quote from: magicman on March 20, 2009, 06:45:56 PM
Washington U advances to the title game with a 77-58 win over Guilford. Wash U up 46-41 with 11:50 to play when Sean Wallis goes on an 11-0 run hitting a layup and 3 consecutive 3's to break the game wide open. Aaron Thompson set a Salem record with 8 3 pointer's out of 12 attempts and scored a total of 30 points Wallis ended up with 15. Thompson also had a game high 9 rebounds while Wallis added 5 assists.
Clay Henson topped Guilford with 23 pts and Tyler Sanborn finished with 11 pts and 7 boards.

Gee, who'd have thunk it- Wash U in a runaway.  Good luck tomorrow!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 20, 2009, 06:58:38 PM
NABC All-region teams were announced today, UAA members include:

Great Lakes first team: Ryan Einwag  (I think the first time I have agreed with an NABC selection over d3hoops)

East First Team: Mike Chmielowiec

Midwest First Team: Aaron Thompson
Midwest Second Team: Tyler Nading, Sean Wallis
Midwest Coach of the Year: Mark Edwards

Northeast First Team:
Steve DeLuca
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 20, 2009, 09:44:22 PM
Wash U against Richard Stockton tomorrow in the title game as the Ospreys defeated Franklin and Marshall in a game of attrition tonight.   Franklin and Marshall will play Guilford in the third place game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sludge on March 21, 2009, 12:16:37 PM
Wow, now I see what the UAA teams have had to put up with all season.

Yesterday, Guilford managed to cut it to 6 in the second half against WashU, but could get no closer and WashU responded in a big way.  They've got excellent shooters, and the team is extremely well organized.  They don't have the crush-your-ball-movement defense that Virginia Wesleyan had a couple of years ago, but they've got much better shooting than anything I've seen.

WashU did crowd Tyler Sanborn front and back, and they were great at switching off, so even though someone must have been open for Guilford, it was never for very long.

If WashU doesn't win it all, I'll eat my hat.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 21, 2009, 12:50:10 PM
Headed to the arena now to hopefully witness our second straight title...Yesterday was a blast. Now it's time to do it again. Go Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 21, 2009, 03:45:16 PM
Quote from: pabegg on March 20, 2009, 06:30:25 PM
Quote from: pabegg on March 17, 2009, 04:16:24 PM
One of the things about this WashU team is their ability to string together runs. Here's what I've compiled:

For each game, I've listed runs of 8-0 or better (or longer runs that were slightly interrupted).

North Park 9-0, 11-0, 9-0
Colorado College 9-0, 12-0
Augustana 10-0
Aurora 16-0, 9-0
Hamilton 11-0 (18-2), 14-0
Illinois Wesleyan 8-0
Fontbonne 11-0
Eureka 12-0
Elmhurst 8-0, 8-0
Webster 9-0, 10-0
Chicago 8-0
Case 10-0, 9-0
Emory 12-0, 9-0
Rochester 14-0
Carnegie 9-0 (14-2), 17-0
Brandeis 7-0 (11-1)
NYU 21-0
Brandeis 10-0
Emory 9-0
Case 11-0, 9-0
Rochester 11-0
Chicago 14-0
Lawrence 10-0, 14-0
UW-Whitewater 11-0, 14-0
Wheaton 8-0
St. Thomas 15-0

In only three games they didn't have a major run: Anderson, 2nd NYU, 2nd Carnegie

16-0 run tonight


10-0 run for the Bears in the first half today against Richard Stockton
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on March 21, 2009, 04:10:28 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 21, 2009, 12:50:10 PM
Headed to the arena now to hopefully witness our second straight title...Yesterday was a blast. Now it's time to do it again. Go Bears.

Don't hurt yourself lacing them up, Marty.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 21, 2009, 05:04:46 PM
Congratulations to Wash U on back-to-back National Championships. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on March 21, 2009, 05:07:17 PM
Quote from: sac on March 21, 2009, 05:04:46 PM
Congratulations to Wash U on back-to-back National Championships. :)

They are a fun group to watch
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 21, 2009, 05:25:55 PM
Congratulations to Wash U!  A well-earned title, coming through the Bracket of Death.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: fcnews on March 21, 2009, 05:44:35 PM
Big Congrats to Coach Edwards and the Wash U Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: wheaton.thunder on March 21, 2009, 06:21:32 PM
Congratulations to the Washington University Bears for their incredible acheivement. Way to rep the Midwest!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 21, 2009, 06:25:09 PM
My congrats also to Coach Edwards and the Wash U Bears on giving the UAA its first back to back national champions in DIII men's hoop.  The UAA now joins the CCIW and the WIAC as the only 3 conferences to have DIII men's basketball teams win back to back national championships in the sport.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on March 21, 2009, 07:10:09 PM
The guys on TV repeatedly referred to Sean Wallis as a graduating senior - Did they know more than we do as to Sean's plans, or were they totally ignorant regarding Sean's potential return for another year afer sitting out with injury last year?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 21, 2009, 07:56:26 PM
Quote from: hopefan on March 21, 2009, 07:10:09 PM
The guys on TV repeatedly referred to Sean Wallis as a graduating senior - Did they know more than we do as to Sean's plans, or were they totally ignorant regarding Sean's potential return for another year afer sitting out with injury last year?
Probably the latter...

That is why I turned off those guys and listened to Pat, Titan Q and Dave.


Forgot to add the congratulations!    ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 22, 2009, 12:32:13 AM
Quote from: hopefan on March 21, 2009, 07:10:09 PM
The guys on TV repeatedly referred to Sean Wallis as a graduating senior - Did they know more than we do as to Sean's plans, or were they totally ignorant regarding Sean's potential return for another year afer sitting out with injury last year?

I'd bet on the latter.  However, if you were imSean Wallis's shoes...it would be pretty tough not to walk away with two consecutive national championships and a most outstanding player at the final four award.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 22, 2009, 12:59:40 AM
Bears win! AT struggles but Tyler and Sean came up huge.  Congrats to the Bears on a great season.  They can find so many ways to beat you.  Party after the win was top shelf  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 22, 2009, 07:44:51 AM
Did anyone video record the party?  I want to see some Youtube clips.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on March 22, 2009, 09:58:50 AM
I'd like to see an intelligent discussion from the Wash U fans here regarding who will replace Tyler Nading in Wash U's lineup next year....  3 active candidates in Dylan Richter, Caleb Knepper or John Wolfe...   

One of the things to consider is if Sean Wallis returns or not.  With Sean, my attitude is that John Wolfe would be the lead man, a strong rebounder, a to the basket kind of guy who doesn't try to do too much.  Sean could pick up the offense as he did in the second half of the season with his own scoring and still get the ball to Wolfe and Smith often enough for hoops to make up for Nading's point total losses. 

Without Wallis, and assumedly Ross Kelly at point, there's much less scoring potential from the perimeter, so my thought is Richter or Knepper get the call - and in that case, I have to go with Richter, even though that makes the Bears a little smaller.... Richter, like Thompson, gets up well for his size and will be a strong rebounder, and his moves to the hole are second to none....  he just has to learn to fit into the offense.  Knepper has that exciting 3 point shot, but just seems so timid around the basket - besides, he seems well suited to come off the bench.

Geesh - they should be SO good again next year - just 8 months away.....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 23, 2009, 12:07:53 AM
Hopefan,
That's about the way I see it. One point worth mentioning: I still haven't given up on Spencer Gay. I'm not sure if he'll grow into an impact player, but I'm fairly certain he has the potential to become quite a player and with Tyler, Wolff, et all logging so many minutes, he's never really gotten a shot. He could slip into that roll quite nicely next year, at least as a reserve.

The team could also play big, with Kelly and Toth sharing the floor for extended stretches, provided they stay out of foul trouble (a huge question mark). There is a lot of talent returning to this team next year. Richter is going to be quite a player.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 23, 2009, 01:18:09 AM
Congrats to Wash U upon its repeat championship!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 23, 2009, 11:48:27 AM
What a great weekend in Salem!  Just wanted to note that it was a pleasure to meet Marty and a few other D3hoops.com stalwarts this past weekend.  I am already excited about next season and I hope Sean Wallis and his family were listening when the Bomb Squad chanted "1 more year" in encouragement.

Wash U will be a different team without Tyler and a drastically different team without Tyler and Sean.  Whatever happens, congrats to both Tyler and Sean on stellar careers at Wash U. Wash U will be a formibable opponent regardless of their lineup. 

Fun Fact of the day for Wash U faithful:  You know it has been a good weekend if you walk into your hotel room after a great evening of celebrating and there is a huge ice sculpture in your bathtub. (No it didn't happen to me)  :D
 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 23, 2009, 02:29:18 PM
Speaking of the Bomb Squad... gut feeling says the baby powder fun may be out as an option - at least in a return trip to Salem! :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 23, 2009, 02:37:26 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 23, 2009, 02:29:18 PM
Speaking of the Bomb Squad... gut feeling says the baby powder fun may be out as an option - at least in a return trip to Salem! :)

Yeah, pretty sure that will be on a printed list of no-no's put out by the NCAA in the future.  Lebron was doing that in high school usually near the end of the bench, but there is no doubt it made some areas of the floor slippery.  When we watched him do it then we wondered how that could be allowed.  Darn pop culture icons!

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hasanova on March 23, 2009, 07:42:02 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 23, 2009, 02:29:18 PM
Speaking of the Bomb Squad... gut feeling says the baby powder fun may be out as an option - at least in a return trip to Salem! :)
I was there ... it's one thing when the "king" does it solo at a pro game ... it's another when 200 undergrads do it in unison at a college game.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 25, 2009, 05:52:02 AM
Below is a copy of a brilliant and hilarious manuscript about WU's national championship win. It was written by a friend of mine who joined me in Salem this weekend. He apparently got bored during law school and rattled this one off..enjoy.

*           *         *           *        *          *                  *              *               *             *              *
And so it was understood then, that the Words of Wallis held the weight of Prophecy; for it was He that levied great criticism on his band of merry men upon their first battle with the Blue Jays of Elmhurst, which proved the Nadir of their campaign of pillaging and looting throughout the Land.

Upon the rampage of the Bears through Lawrence, leaving only Scorched Earth in their Wake, Wallis lamented to find that they would not meet the Blue Jays again, but rather the Warhawks, who said unto them: "We have left the Blue Jays for dead, and we will render the same unto you." To this proclamation Wallis responded with Booming Laughter, and he and his band of merry men Romped over the remains of Elmhurst and Dispatched the Warhawks with Prejudice.

It was then that the Bears were assailed on two Fronts: one by the Lyons of Wheaton, and on the other by the brigands from St. Thomas. And the Lyons Boasted: "You have entered our Domain, and Here we will show our true Strength and strike you down in Blood and Glory." And the Tommies Boasted: "We have come with not a Flaw in our Armor, and surely, you shall not be the first to Inflict one."

But Wallis was not fazed, and his Apostle Nading was not fazed, and his Apostle Thompson was not fazed, and his Apostle Smith was certainly not fazed. For the Lyons had unleashed their Fiercest Warrior, the one named Raymond, and his Sole Intent was to Shred the Bears One by One, and it was the Apostle Smith who boldly opposed him and said, "I am the Protector of this band of merry men. If Ye shalt Smite my Brothers, and Burn my Land to the Ground, the path is tread through me and only me, and none other." And it was his heroism that delivered the day for the Bears, and it was never to be forgotten.

So the Bears had found themselves on Exalted Ground then, with only three Competitors left Alive, and Wallis then smelled the Blood he would spill on his Blade. And the Quakers of Guilford shook with fear when they Beheld Him, and Wallis punished them with Rancor and Fury. And when they Objected and Rebelled against his Judgment, Wallis would have none of it and struck once, then twice, and Eleven times in all, and his word then was Final. And he unleashed upon them the Apostle Thompson, and in his Dominion over the Clouds, he Rained Wrath over the Quakers, not once, not twice, but Eight times in all.

And Wallis was left to taste Distilled Victory by Feasting on the Ospreys. And at first he unleashed the Apostle Thompson, and when he could not Summon his Clouds to punish the Ospreys with Scalding Acid, he Withdrew and despaired. And Wallis, and his Apostle Nading, and his Apostle Smith, had turned to his Apostle Thompson and said thus: "It is in such Times that we shall come together, this band of merry men, and Wrest the day in Unity for us, and yea, the Day has come when thy Rain hath Ceased, but we shalt never wilt in the face of Calamity, and combine our Efforts to Take you with Us to the Promised Land." And Wallis instead unleashed the Apostle Nading upon the Ospreys, and the Apostle Nading channeled the Essence of the Beast, and upon hearing his Roar, the Ospreys cowered in fear and fled.

And when All was Said and Done, the Walnut and Bronze was left to Wallis and band of merry men, the Company of Bears, and there was mirth and joy and jovial celebration. And all the Land praised Wallis in recognition, leaving Him to be Remembered and Cherished in the annals of History forever.

--Sealms 20:09
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on March 25, 2009, 06:53:24 AM
Marty, I'm a numbers guy, not literary beyond my Stephen King Collection, but even I have to admit that's pretty darned cute..  A++ ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 25, 2009, 07:03:36 AM
Bravo my friend, Bravo!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 25, 2009, 09:42:11 AM
I don't know why the manuscript used the nickname for the Wheaton College of NEWMAC (The Lyons are from Wheaton (MA), and not the nickname for the Wheaton College of the CCIW (The Thunder is from Wheaton (IL)), but other than that, bravo!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jeloesel on March 31, 2009, 12:23:20 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 23, 2009, 07:42:02 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 23, 2009, 02:29:18 PM
Speaking of the Bomb Squad... gut feeling says the baby powder fun may be out as an option - at least in a return trip to Salem! :)
I was there ... it's one thing when the "king" does it solo at a pro game ... it's another when 200 undergrads do it in unison at a college game.  :)

Congratulations to the Bears.  You made this alum proud.

I took what may be the definitive photos of the Bomb Squad baby powder explosion.  Send me an email at the address below and I'll send them on to you.  

JELoesel@aol.com
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on March 31, 2009, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: jeloesel on March 31, 2009, 12:23:20 PM
Congratulations to the Bears.  You made this alum proud.

I thought you were an Oberlin alum, Jim.  Maybe the Yeomen can reach Salem next season and stimulate even more pride.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jeloesel on March 31, 2009, 03:38:35 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 31, 2009, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: jeloesel on March 31, 2009, 12:23:20 PM
Congratulations to the Bears.  You made this alum proud.

I thought you were an Oberlin alum, Jim.  Maybe the Yeomen can reach Salem next season and stimulate even more pride.  ;D

I imagine there are times even a Wooster grad finds it advantageous to claim he is a Tulane law school grad.   :)  Yes, an Oberlin vs. Wash U championship game would present some serious conflicts for me, but I sleep well at night not worrying about that possibility.

I haven't received an email from you requesting the pictures.  Should I infer that Woosterites are too proud to accept handouts from Oberlinians, no matter how valuable the gift?   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on April 09, 2009, 08:26:53 PM
Congrats to Ryan Einwag for being second team all South Region by the ECAC.

http://www.ecacsports.com/sports/winter/mbkb/AllStars/2008-09/ECAC_Mbkb_All-Stars_-_D3_South.pdf?dec=


Steve DeLuca was named to the first team in the New England Region.

http://www.ecacsports.com/sports/winter/mbkb/AllStars/2008-09/ECAC_Mbkb_All-Stars_-_D3_NE.pdf?dec=


Mike Chmielowiec was named first team in the Upstate region.

http://www.ecacsports.com/sports/winter/mbkb/AllStars/2008-09/ECAC_Mbkb_All-Stars_-_D3_Upstate.pdf?dec=
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on April 17, 2009, 08:45:07 PM
Best of luck to Wash U Assistant Coach Tim Whittle as he takes over the Macalester program as their new head coach. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 26, 2009, 12:32:59 PM
It's with sadness that I have to report the death of Patrick Abegg. We will miss him.
http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/04/26/rip-patrick-abegg/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 27, 2009, 02:14:44 PM
That is really terrible news. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family. Forty-four is much too young an age to die.

There are undoubtedly so many other ways in which those who knew him and loved him will miss him, but D3 basketball fans will certainly miss his statistical contributions to this site, especially in terms of compiling Pool C contender data in the Pool C room. His unexpected passing will leave a huge hole come next February.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on April 28, 2009, 11:44:25 AM
The announced return of Sean Wallis to Wash U is really exciting news - the Bears will have a bigger target than ever on their backs as 2 time defending champs - Looking forward to great games next year -  The level of competition at sectionals and regionals was unbelievable this year - it's as good as it gets out here in the midwest!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on May 03, 2009, 01:26:23 PM
A fun basketball story (http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/090430/hubble.shtml) -
Sun Times (http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/1538039,CST-NWS-bball22.article)
Chronicle (http://news.uchicago.edu/news.php?asset_id=1598)




Veteran space walker could find three-point line during Hubble Space Telescope mission
By Steve Koppes
News Office

     
Photos courtesy of NASA’s Human Spaceflight Collection

Astronauts John Grunsfeld (top) and Richard Linnehan participated in a six-hour, 48-minute space walk in 2002 designed to install a new Power Control Unit on the Hubble Space Telescope. The two went on to replace the original unit launched with the telescope in April 1990. Grunsfeld is on the end of Columbia’s Remote Manipulation System robotic arm, controlled from inside the crew cabin by astronaut Nancy Currie. The image was recorded with a digital still camera. Grunsfeld, the payload commander (below), waves at a crewmate inside Space Shuttle Columbia’s crew cabin during a brief break in work on the telescope.
   
     
   

Even Michael Jordan’s Chicago Bulls would find it impossible to match the star power of the Chicago Maroons’ Big Ten champion basketball teams of 1907-08 and 1908-09. Playing forward for the Maroons during those seasons was a 6-foot-2-inch undergraduate named Edwin Hubble.

Most people know Hubble (S.B.,1910, Ph.D.,1917) as a famed astronomer, the namesake of the orbiting Hubble Space Telescope. But as an athlete he also helped the Maroons post records of 24-2 in 1907-08 and 10-3 in 1908-09. There was no post-season tournament back then, but the Helms Athletic Foundation assembled a panel of experts that retroactively named the Maroons national champions both years.

“It illustrates that scientists are people too, and that a great scientist can be a great athlete,” said Michael Turner, the Bruce V. and Diana M. Rauner Distinguished Service Professor in Astronomy & Astrophysics and the College.

Now another Chicago alumnus, astronaut John Grunsfeld (S.M.,’84, Ph.D.,’88), will fly into orbit a century-old basketball that Hubble tossed around in a 1909 victory against Indiana University. The space shuttle Atlantis is scheduled to launch Tuesday, May 12, which will be Grunsfeld’s third mission to refurbish and upgrade the Hubble Telescope.

“Chicago has always been at the forefront of exploration through the Laboratory for Astrophysics and Space Research, South Pole research and so much more,” Grunsfeld said.

Grunsfeld had borrowed the basketball from the Department of Physical Education and Athletics, with Turner serving as intermediary, so that he could fly it into orbit. He plans to return the basketball personally to the University after the mission, when it will go on display at the Gerald Ratner Athletics Center.

Grunsfeld grew up near the University’s campus on Chicago’s South Side, where Nobel laureate Enrico Fermi oversaw construction of the first nuclear reactor during World War II.

“I was inspired as a young man by the exploits of Enrico Fermi as a scientist and as a mountaineer in the Dolomites, and he became a role model for me,” said Grunsfeld, who studied physics at Chicago.

Before joining NASA in 1992, he had amassed research experience in X-ray and gamma-ray astronomy, high-energy cosmic ray studies and the development of new detectors and instrumentation. Grunsfeld has since used the Hubble Telescope in his own research. As NASA’s chief scientist from 2003 to 2004, Grunsfeld helped develop the President’s Vision for Space Exploration.

During his four previous space flights, he logged more than 45 days in space, including five spacewalks totaling more than 32 hours:

    * STS-67, Endeavor, March 1995: This was the second flight of the Astro observatory, a complement of three ultraviolet telescopes. The crew, including mission specialist Grunsfeld, conducted around-the-clock observations of faint astronomical objects and ultraviolet light coming from hot stars and distant galaxies.
    * STS-81, Atlantis, January 1997: This was the fifth mission to dock with Russia’s Space Station Mir, and the second to exchange U.S. astronauts. Grunsfeld served as flight engineer.
    * STS-103, Discovery, December 1999: During this mission, the crew installed new gyroscopes and scientific instruments and upgraded systems on the Hubble Telescope. Grunsfeld performed two spacewalks totaling 16 hours and 23 minutes.
    * STS-109, Columbia, March 2002: The crew upgraded the Hubble Space Telescope, installing a new digital camera, a cooling system for the infrared camera, new solar arrays and a new power system. Grunsfeld served as the payload commander in charge of spacewalking activities and the Hubble payload, as he will for the next mission. He performed three spacewalks totaling 21 hours and 9 minutes.

The Hubble Telescope has orbited Earth more than 100,000 times since its 1994 launch. NASA expects Grunsfeld’s STS-125 mission to extend the telescope’s life into the next decade.

“It’s been a glorious career, and I’ve been incredibly privileged to fly in space and to work on the Hubble Space Telescope,” Grunsfeld said.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on May 05, 2009, 12:04:34 PM
Modestly noteworthy. Wash U's Coach Edwards threw out the first pitch at the Cardinals baseball game last night. Not a bad arm.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on June 29, 2009, 11:20:55 PM
Anyone else notice that 4 UAA teams have changed travel partners?  Brandeis/NYU and WashU/Chicago remain the same, but CMU is now partnered with CWRU and Emory is with Rochester.

I am sure that it is motivated due to travel concerns (Cleveland and Pittsburgh are about 2.5 hours apart by bus, compared to about a 5 hour drive to Rochester from Pittsburgh), but I think this favors the other four teams in the league.  The Rochester/CMU weekend has been a tough one in recent years and to split it up with two perennial bottom feeders will make it easier for the other teams to prepare for CMU or Rochester.  Although, if Case or Emory are stronger this year, that theory goes out the window (but I would have to see to believe that), or if CMU or Rochester are down.  Regardless, it will be interesting to see how this change mixes things up this coming year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on August 01, 2009, 03:26:25 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on June 29, 2009, 11:20:55 PM
Anyone else notice that 4 UAA teams have changed travel partners?  Brandeis/NYU and WashU/Chicago remain the same, but CMU is now partnered with CWRU and Emory is with Rochester.

I am sure that it is motivated due to travel concerns (Cleveland and Pittsburgh are about 2.5 hours apart by bus, compared to about a 5 hour drive to Rochester from Pittsburgh),

It might also be that somebody realized that Cleveland and Pittsburgh have a natural rivalry as strong as Chicago/St. Louis and Boston/New York, whereas Atlanta/Cleveland and Pittsburgh/Rochester had no such rivalries.

I gathered before that Atlanta/Cleveland was already a plane flight, so now they've made the plane flight up to an hour longer but all the bus rides short.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on August 02, 2009, 12:54:30 AM
Yeah, whoever you pair Atlanta up with it is going to be a plane ride so you might was well make the other 3 pairs of teams as close as possible.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 02, 2009, 01:53:43 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on August 02, 2009, 12:54:30 AM
Yeah, whoever you pair Atlanta up with it is going to be a plane ride so you might was well make the other 3 pairs of teams as close as possible.

Yeah, a trip to the Palestra and a long plane flight!

What a weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on October 05, 2009, 08:34:03 PM
Heard wustl is ranked #1 in the sporting news rankings released today.

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/releases/mbk10-5-09.html

Pretty excited for the d3hoops poll to have something to chat about.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: wooscotsfan on October 06, 2009, 09:41:10 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on October 05, 2009, 08:34:03 PM
Heard wustl is ranked #1 in the sporting news rankings released today.
Pretty excited for the d3hoops poll to have something to chat about.

Yes, I have a copy of the Sportings News Division III preview and their preseason Top 10 is:

1. Washington University (St. Louis)
2. Guilford (NC)
3. Richard Stockton (NJ)
4. Franklin & Marshall (PA)
5. Wooster (OH)
6. UMass-Dartmouth
7. John Carroll (OH)
8. DeSales (PA)
9. Wisconsin-Stevens Point
10. Brooklyn (NY)

IMHO, this is good preseason discussion material but the D3Hoops poll will be more revealing.

With the Bears scheduled to play in Wooster's holiday tournament in late December, there could be an excellent tournament championship game on 12/30 featuring these top 10 teams (assumes Wash U. beats Transylvania and Wooster beats Kalamazoo in opening games on 12/29). :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ronk on October 07, 2009, 12:06:59 AM
  I don't remember Brooklyn ever being mentioned last year in any discussion(NCAA tournament Pool A/C) that would lead to being a top 10 team this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on October 07, 2009, 12:24:38 AM
and thats why Im waiting for the d3hoops poll to start discussion... ;) ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 07, 2009, 12:10:33 PM
Quote from: wooscotsfan on October 06, 2009, 09:41:10 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on October 05, 2009, 08:34:03 PM
Heard wustl is ranked #1 in the sporting news rankings released today.
Pretty excited for the d3hoops poll to have something to chat about.

Yes, I have a copy of the Sportings News Division III preview and their preseason Top 10 is:

1. Washington University (St. Louis)
2. Guilford (NC)
3. Richard Stockton (NJ)
4. Franklin & Marshall (PA)
5. Wooster (OH)
6. UMass-Dartmouth
7. John Carroll (OH)
8. DeSales (PA)
9. Wisconsin-Stevens Point
10. Brooklyn (NY)

IMHO, this is good preseason discussion material but the D3Hoops poll will be more revealing.

That's putting it mildly. This poll is essentially taking last season's tourney teams, subtracting out the seniors, and ranking what's left. In other words, it's not a bad attempt at trying to forecast 63% of next March's Sweet Sixteen, given the NCAA's geography-based tourney bracket for D3 basketball, but as an actual preseason Top Ten it's a dismal failure.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on October 07, 2009, 07:38:57 PM
More preseason rankings. This time DIII News.

Aaron Thompson Named DIII News Preseason National Player of the Year
http://bearsports.wustl.edu/releases/mbk10-7-09.html

WUSTL Men's and Women's Hoops Teams Ranked No. 1 in DIII News
http://bearsports.wustl.edu/releases/wbk10-7-09.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on October 21, 2009, 01:44:55 PM
Preseason Polls are up:

WashU is ranked #1 unanimously

Brandeis ranked 22 (123 points)

CMU also received votes (22 points)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on October 22, 2009, 02:22:00 PM
Glad to see Wash.U. at the top of the polls, but a little surprised how far down Deis was. They have a very solid group returning  and figure to challenge Wash.U, particularly since the Bears' post game will be a tad depleted with the loss of Nading. I think Nading will be a MUCH bigger loss for Wash.U than DeLuca was for Deis. Still, I think WashU will win the league and with the midwest/great lakes not being quite as strong as last year, they have an even better chance of repeating. Only thing that concerns me is how brutal a schedule it is. Wheaton, Augie, IWU, Wooster all in non conference. That's unreal.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: John Gleich on October 22, 2009, 04:09:12 PM
What's the outlook for Chicago?  After getting hot two years ago and making the NCAA tournament, they had a pretty historic flop (what was it, 12 in a row to start the year?) that people pretty much agreed was not representative of how talented the team really was... I don't know how to really gauge this year's team... anyone have any insight?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 22, 2009, 04:27:00 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on October 22, 2009, 04:09:12 PM
What's the outlook for Chicago?  After getting hot two years ago and making the NCAA tournament, they had a pretty historic flop (what was it, 12 in a row to start the year?) that people pretty much agreed was not representative of how talented the team really was... I don't know how to really gauge this year's team... anyone have any insight?

I think that the Maroons will still be the same perimeter-oriented, bombs-away type of team that they've been the past couple of years. They'll go as far as seniors Jake Pancratz and John Kinsella and sophomore Michael Sustarsic can take them. The Maroons took a summer trip to South America, and summer playing tours can often help a team get an early start on their season. They also have an upcoming exhibition game against DePaul that should be interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on October 22, 2009, 05:31:05 PM
Marty, their non-conference schedule is about the same difficulty it has been for the past two years. In fact maybe easier this year than last with playing Wheaton and Augustana at home (and Wheaton graduating Kent Raymond and Augustana returning one starter....) That game @Wooster is the one I am circling on my calendar as Aaron Thompson looks come out a winner with a big game in his home state.

Of course, I know youre stuck in the northeast  :D  but the midwest is weak this year as compared to the last two years
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 02, 2009, 08:20:33 PM
Preseason rankings are out:

http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Basketball/09-10%20MBK%20Pre.pdf?columnist=greenberg_jon&id=4585864

WashU unsurprisingly #1 (they received 7 of 8 first place votes, but you can vote for yourself, so Brandeis received the first place vote from WashU's coacing staff).  Brandeis was second, Rochester 3rd, and CMU dropped to 7th after losing 3 starters to graduation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on November 02, 2009, 08:30:54 PM
Hugenerd, I realize you're a big fan, but what's the deal with the Bartolatta-Roll'd? :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 02, 2009, 10:57:22 PM
Quote from: nescac1 on November 02, 2009, 08:30:54 PM
Hugenerd, I realize you're a big fan, but what's the deal with the Bartolatta-Roll'd? :)


Oops, wrong link.  Corrected now.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 06, 2009, 01:05:35 PM
Brandeis men's basketball roster has finally been made public at http://www.brandeisjudges.com

My initial impression of this year's Brandeis men's roster does not make me very optimistic of overall long term success this season (defined as a deep NCAA run based on previous seasons in addition to a high finish in the UAA)-- I never like going into a UAA season with only 10 players on the team,  no matter how talented the core players are.

According to the posted roster, Brandeis has lost 6 players from last season's team.  While the most notable losses are Steve DeLuca and Kevin Olson to graduation-- 4 other players from last season's roster (David Aquilino, Beau Bonness, Napoleon Lherrisson, and Jaimie Shannon) are not returning for this season's campaign for Brandeis.

Brandeis gets 2 transfers onto the team this season in 6-0 sophomore G Warren Hazel and 6-2 junior F Jojo Grossbard.  No frosh are listed on the current Brandeis roster.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 06, 2009, 01:38:32 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on November 06, 2009, 01:05:35 PM
Brandeis men's basketball roster has finally been made public at http://www.brandeisjudges.com

My initial impression of this year's Brandeis men's roster does not make me very optimistic of overall long term success this season (defined as a deep NCAA run based on previous seasons in addition to a high finish in the UAA)-- I never like going into a UAA season with only 10 players on the team,  no matter how talented the core players are.

According to the posted roster, Brandeis has lost 6 players from last season's team.  While the most notable losses are Steve DeLuca and Kevin Olson to graduation-- 4 other players from last season's roster (David Aquilino, Beau Bonness, Napoleon Lherrisson, and Jaimie Shannon) are not returning for this season's campaign for Brandeis.

Brandeis gets 2 transfers onto the team this season in 6-0 sophomore G Warren Hazel and 6-2 junior F Jojo Grossbard.  No frosh are listed on the current Brandeis roster.

Warren Hzel is listed as a freshman according to the website.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 06, 2009, 02:47:34 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on November 06, 2009, 01:38:32 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on November 06, 2009, 01:05:35 PM
Brandeis men's basketball roster has finally been made public at http://www.brandeisjudges.com

My initial impression of this year's Brandeis men's roster does not make me very optimistic of overall long term success this season (defined as a deep NCAA run based on previous seasons in addition to a high finish in the UAA)-- I never like going into a UAA season with only 10 players on the team,  no matter how talented the core players are.

According to the posted roster, Brandeis has lost 6 players from last season's team.  While the most notable losses are Steve DeLuca and Kevin Olson to graduation-- 4 other players from last season's roster (David Aquilino, Beau Bonness, Napoleon Lherrisson, and Jaimie Shannon) are not returning for this season's campaign for Brandeis.

Brandeis gets 2 transfers onto the team this season in 6-0 sophomore G Warren Hazel and 6-2 junior F Jojo Grossbard.  No frosh are listed on the current Brandeis roster.

Warren Hzel is listed as a freshman according to the website.

Thanks for pointing out the recent update.  I was going by the info available when I posted.  Since then, the info was updated to indicate that Warren Hazel was in the Brandeis Transitional Year program last year, which would make this year his freshman year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on November 06, 2009, 03:00:55 PM
Wow, that is crazy, especially considering Brandeis' recent strong recruiting hauls.  Wonder what happened?  Jay Freeman, a very solid PG recruit, was supposed to be playing there this year ... apparently no longer?  Considering the vast bulk of Brandeis' talent is in the senior class, you have to wonder if their emergence as nationally credible program was a short-term phenomena ... sort of like Conn College about ten years back, when it rode a few crazy-good recruiting classes to a Final Four, then fell off the map ...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 07, 2009, 07:46:26 AM
In exhibition play, DePaul 81 Chicago 36...

http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=15600&ATCLID=204828954
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sjfcards on November 09, 2009, 08:35:34 PM
Does anyone have any information on Carnegie Mellon for a Fisher fan? I don't know a thing about them, and I am just trying to get a feel for what Fisher will be facing this Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 09, 2009, 09:46:31 PM
CMU lost alot to graduation.  They wont be remotely the same team as they were last year.  I am looking forward to seeing how they do.  Returning starters are shooting guard Jack Anderson and forward Shane Rife.  Anderson was their second leading scorer but he shoots a horrific percentage from everywhere (38.2% from the field, 28.7% from 3, and 61.6% from the line).  He loves to shoot the ball, and isnt that bad a shooter, but as evidenced by his percentages, he will force shots (and do it often).  He is a good player, though, and CMU had some of their better games when he played within himself last year.  Rife is an all-around solid player: he shoots the 3, has a mid-range game, and is good in the post.  They have a few other returning players, but all of them will have different roles, so the team is a question mark at this point.  I dont think anyone has a good read on them, that is why they were picked 2nd to last in the UAA preseason poll, even though they finished 3rd last year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sjfcards on November 09, 2009, 10:54:43 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on November 09, 2009, 09:46:31 PM
CMU lost alot to graduation.  They wont be remotely the same team as they were last year.  I am looking forward to seeing how they do.  Returning starters are shooting guard Jack Anderson and forward Shane Rife.  Anderson was their second leading scorer but he shoots a horrific percentage from everywhere (38.2% from the field, 28.7% from 3, and 61.6% from the line).  He loves to shoot the ball, and isnt that bad a shooter, but as evidenced by his percentages, he will force shots (and do it often).  He is a good player, though, and CMU had some of their better games when he played within himself last year.  Rife is an all-around solid player: he shoots the 3, has a mid-range game, and is good in the post.  They have a few other returning players, but all of them will have different roles, so the team is a question mark at this point.  I dont think anyone has a good read on them, that is why they were picked 2nd to last in the UAA preseason poll, even though they finished 3rd last year.

Thanks for the info hugenerd. That is exactly what I was looking for. Should be a fun one on Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 14, 2009, 08:25:14 PM
The link for livestats for the CMU game tomorrow can be found on this page:

http://www.cmu.edu/athletics/sports/mbasketball/schedules/index.html

Last year CMU had video for home games as well, but I dont see a link on the page currently.  I am assuming if they do do a webcast, then the link will also be on that page.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 14, 2009, 08:34:51 PM
I did some research and I believe the reason why the CMU basketball game will not be webcast tomorrow is because CMU is also hosting and competing in the D3 NCAA soccer tournament second round which is to be played at 1:00 at Gesling Field.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Rochester1 on November 15, 2009, 09:03:39 PM
So what do we know about this year's UAA rookies? Any legit difference makers out there?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 17, 2009, 09:50:55 PM
Vytus Kriskus scored 23 points in 23 minutes tonight in Brandeis' win over Lasell.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 18, 2009, 08:52:51 AM
Do you all mind if another Bears fan joins the discussion?

I watched the 88-53 victory over MacMurray on Sunday and have a few observations.  Overall, Washington University played well on both ends of the court.  MacMurray had a few big guys that made it interesting underneath, but was clearly outmatched and tired quickly.  It was a nice warm-up.

Aaron Thompson is clearly ready to prove that he deserved the pre-season accolades.  Caleb Knepper and Cameron Smith played very well.  The loss of Tyler Nading was huge, but I think these guys, along with Kelly and Toth will mostly (mostly!) make up for the difference.  Dylan Richter should play a major role this season as well.

Sean Wallis did not have a career shooting night, but continues to move the ball as well as ever.  The same could be said about Ross Kelley.

A previous post asked for UAA freshmen to watch.  Freshman Ben Hoener, a standout at Parkway South in suburban St. Louis played for the last four minutes.  And, while he will probably not play enough to garner attention, I am convinced that he will learn the Edwards style of play quickly and will be a factor next year.

The Bears will play a tough schedule this year, but it was clearly not what it was last year.  Should be a good year though.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 25, 2009, 05:29:23 PM
Gang,

Well, at Case, we seem to be off to a slightly better start than normal.

We're 3-0, having beaten Baldwin-Wallace for the first time ever.

It'd be nice if we could secure our first ever bid to the DIII tourney, on the heels of our unprecedented football success.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 25, 2009, 08:35:13 PM
Quote from: MajorSpartan on November 25, 2009, 05:29:23 PM
Gang,

Well, at Case, we seem to be off to a slightly better start than normal.

We're 3-0, having beaten Baldwin-Wallace for the first time ever.

It'd be nice if we could secure our first ever bid to the DIII tourney, on the heels of our unprecedented football success.

Dont get ahead of yourself, still the whole UAA season to go (and most of the out-of-conference schedule also).  3 games doesnt mean much (and sorry, Baldwin Wallace was horrible last year and they are likely not that good this year).  I hope Case does well, but they need to win a lot more than 3 before they gain nationwide respect, or get an at large bid (they have 0 chance at the AQ with WashU in the conference).

Good luck to them though.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 26, 2009, 06:16:23 PM
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Case Western is 3-1, having lost a close one to Thomas More.

Quote
It'd be nice if we could secure our first ever bid to the DIII tourney, on the heels of our unprecedented football success.

The Coaches have Case Western finishing 6th out of the 8 UAA teams.  I do see the Spartans improving on last year though. 

No offense, but the goal this season should be to finish with a winning record, and maybe engineer a few upsets (everybody is beatable).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on November 27, 2009, 02:19:15 AM
Quote from: WUH on November 26, 2009, 06:16:23 PM
maybe engineer a few upsets

;D ;)

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on November 30, 2009, 01:12:49 AM
WUH, post on the women's UAA board about the game(s) from the McWilliams tournament if you have a chance! I was busy all weekend, and have not reviewed the box scored or stories about any ganes, but your post would be well-received on the board.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 30, 2009, 01:02:13 PM
Hey Wydown: I do not have much to say about the games over the weekend.  WUSTL looked very good in both games, on both sides of the court, against relatively weak teams.

In regards to the UAA Men's Basketball.

It looks like the UAA is off to a good start.  Our teams are 27-8 in the first few weeks.  Its obviously very early, but we should have a better idea where we stand in a matter of weeks.

Rochester 5-0
Chicago 4-0
Washington U. 3-0
Brandeis 3-1
Emory 3-1
New York University 3-1
Case Western Reserve 4-2
Carnegie Mellon 2-3
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 01, 2009, 05:33:01 PM
The pollsters decided to keep No. 1 Washington University and No. 23 Brandeis more or less in place in the latest rankings.

The University of Chicago and Rochester ended up with a few votes.
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Post by: WUPHF on December 02, 2009, 10:02:17 AM
Congratulations to the Washington University Men's and Women's Basketball programs for being named the top programs of the decade by DIII News.

Bears Sweep DIII News Basketball Programs of the Decade

MEN'S ALL-DECADE | WOMEN'S ALL-DECADE

St. Louis, Mo., December 1, 2009 – The Washington University men's and women's basketball teams were named the top programs of the 2000s, as announced by DIII News today. Head coaches Mark Edwards and Nancy Fahey were also named best coach for the first decade of the new millennium.

With two-consecutive national championships and three-straight trips to Salem, Va., to close out the decade, the men's basketball program ranked ahead of runners up from Wisconsin-Stevens Point, Amherst, Virginia Wesleyan and Williams. The Bears finished the decade with five University Athletic Association (UAA) championships and reached the second round of the NCAA tournament on six different occasions. Washington U. finished the 2000s with an overall record of 220-52 (.809), in addition to a 112-30 (.789) record in UAA play. The 2009 squad was also named the runner-up for best team of the decade behind the 2002-03 national champion, Williams College.

The women's basketball program captured two national championships of its own during the decade, and reached the title game on four occasions. The clear-cut choice for team of the decade ranked ahead of runners up Bowdoin, Hope, Scranton and Southern Maine. The Bears won nine of 10 UAA titles during the 10-year span, including eight in a row from 2000-07, and played in the NCAA Tournament in every year of the decade. The program finished the 2000s with an overall record of 252-38 (.869), including 126-16 (.887) in UAA action.

Edwards was named the Molten/DIII News National Coach of the Year three times during the decade, on his way to being named best coach of the 2000s. He finished ahead of Jack Bennett of UW-Stevens Point and Dave Hixon of Amherst. The UAA was named conference of the decade, while the New England Small College Athletic Conference (NESCAC) was named runner up. Troy Ruths, a 2008 graduate, was named runner up for player of the decade. Ruths was a two-time DIII News first-team All-American, the 2008 DIII News Player of the Year, and also received the Jostens Trophy that year as well.

Fahey was named the Coach of the Decade for the second time in her career, as she shared the honor with Capital's Dixie Jeffers in the 1990s. Fahey coached two national players of the year and took home her own Molten/DIII News Coach of the Year honors. WUSTL Sports Hall of Famer Alia Fischer was a runner-up for the best player of the decade after winning the honor in the 90s, and having an undefeated season in her only year of this decade. The UAA was named the conference of the decade on the women's side
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on December 04, 2009, 08:26:52 PM
Wash.U. McKendree could be the Bears toughest challenge of the season tonight, according to people who've seen the NAIA power compete. Apparently they're bringing a large fan base and WU will draw well also. Should be a very compelling early season match-up.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 04, 2009, 09:34:36 PM
WashU all over Mckendree.  9 minutes to go in the first, WashU up 27-8.


****The announcer for the game is really good.  By the way, WashU is pounding McKendree at the half: 47-22.  WashU looks awfully good.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on December 04, 2009, 10:05:39 PM
Though admittedly a Wash.U homer, that's the most impressive and dominant I've seen the Bears play in a half in the last four years, Amherst championship win 2 years ago included.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 04, 2009, 11:38:30 PM
A little shaky at the beginning of the second half as McKendree had a huge run to cut it within 4 or 6, but then WashU went to work again, slowly building the lead, and ended up winning pretty comfortably.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 04, 2009, 11:45:04 PM
I have seen McKendree and I knew Washington University would be playing a tough team, but I also expected a similar result.  I do think we are that good. 

Overall, I thought it was a good game, despite the 8-10 minute scoring drought in the first half.  In my opinion, the Bears had a number of good looks during the time, but for whatever reason went cold.

Wallis and Thompson played to expectations with the exception of the four blocked shots.  I am not sure that I have ever seen Thompson blocked.

Knepper had a phenomenal first half and played well enough in the second, finishing with 13 points.

Kelly, Kelley, and Toth are always dependable, though it seems that they had to share some playing time with the others.  Spencer Gay featured more prominently in the line up tonight and played very well.

I expect a lot more offense from Richter and Smith this season. 

I know nothing about Pomona-Pitzer, but it should be a good game tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 04, 2009, 11:53:56 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 04, 2009, 11:45:04 PM
Wallis and Thompson played to expectations with the exception of the four blocked shots.  I am not sure that I have ever seen Thompson blocked.

I think both Wallis and Thompson were surprised to get those shots blocked. Credit McKendree's #22 Andy Wolf for a couple of those blocks on Wallis. He's one of the best defenders I've ever seen.

A great win for Wash U against a very good basketball team that for whatever reason had a horrible first half. I'm sure McKendree would like a rematch. But chalk one up for D3.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 05, 2009, 12:07:39 AM
Here's the write up from the McKendree website on tonight's game:

http://athletics.mckendree.edu/News/mbball/2009/12/4/mbbwashu_120409.asp?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on December 05, 2009, 05:04:42 PM
WUH,
Generally agree with your thoughts, but have to disagree with you about Smith. He was terrific last night and though he's a dependable offensive threat when necessary, don't expect him to drastically up his offense on a team with two first team all-Americans to carry the offensive load. Smith is a great third option, but his contributions last night (or any night) can not be underestimated. If he regularly can put up 6 points, dish out 7 assists, and grab four boards to go with just one turnover and one foul (this despite the fact that he is incontrovertibly WU's best defender and regularly draws the toughest defensive assignment) in 32 minutes of play last night, Wash.U. will continue to dominate opponents.

Extremely pleased with the performance of Gay. He is finally become the player so many people anticipated he'd become. With Nading having graduated and John Wolff opting for a senior year free of hoops, Gay is finally getting his chance and last night he really impressed. I've always felt that, from a pure raw talent/potential perspective, he is one of the most impressive I've seen at this level. Because his minutes were limited and he had to adapt to a D3 style of play (Gay is a slashing, high rising 6'6", providing a skill set that doesn't always lend itself to the oft-times more structured and, frankly slower, brand of play to which he has now apparently grown accustomed).

Pleased with Knepper's play. Agree with thoughts on Richter. I think he'll pick things up soon. Toth, Kelly, Kelley all solid in addition to the performance of the two big guns. This is an incredibly deep and talented WU team, but it is an even more athletic one that in recent years. Between Gay, Smith, Richter and a couple others, there's always a spark to keep pushing the team to a new level of defensive intensity, something that, as solid as the team's been the last three years, hasn't been at the top of the list of characteristics that would define Wustl hoops.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2009, 10:18:01 PM
I watched Chicago engineer a very efficient and workmanlike 68-60 win over Illinois Wesleyan today. The Maroons were really on from beyond the arc (8-14), but it was their cut-and-pass game that really impressed me. Even with Michael Sustarcic still not his old self after suffering a broken nose (he's playing with a mask) and Jake Pancratz not looking for his own shot as much, the Maroons are doing OK. Steve Stefanou looked very impressive; he can shoot from anywhere, which is always nice to have in a 6'8 guy, and he's a very solid rebounder.

The Maroons aren't a powerhouse-level team, but I tend to think that today's performance is probably closer to the norm for Chicago than was last Wednesday's debacle in Wheaton.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2009, 12:32:05 AM
The Bears knocked off Pomona-Pitzer 76-50 to take home (or take upstairs) another Lopata Classic trophy.

I will credit Pomona-Pitzer for playing tough through the first 15 minutes, but the intense motion offense was unsustainable and WUSTL eventually took over.  The Bears are ultra-athletic and can run all night long and they proved that again tonight.

Everyone played well tonight.  Relatively mistake free with only seven turnovers and while we won the battle of the boards (38-30), this is an area that we need to improve upon.

Congratulations to Sean Wallis for the MVP honors.  That was an easy call.  Aaron Thompson and Cameron Smith were great additions to the all-tournament team.

Marty: Smith is an phenomenal player all around.  No denying it.  Offense is more than points per game.  I should have said that I would like to see him take more shots.   Smith played particularly well tonight.  I am happy to have him shoot from behind the arc and tonight he went 4-4.

I had no doubt that Richter would be back, and he was tonight.

And, I agree with what you said about Spencer Gay.  I watched him play the reserve role in a few games last year and maybe I was missing something but I had no idea he would be this good and this tough.

Next up: Wheaton College.  Incidentally, congratulations to the Lady Bears for dismantling Elmhurst College on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2009, 01:15:50 PM
It looks like the UAA rolled through the weekend going 6-2.  Chicago had the only notable win with the 68-60 win over Illinois-Wesleyan (thanks Gregory Sager for the update).

New York dropped to 3-2 on a last minute shot by Mount St. Vincent in a game filled with three pointers and even more three point attempts (56 between the two schools).

Rochester moved to 6-1 with a win over Emory (4-2) in the first UAA conference match-up of the season.

Brandeis 76 Framingham State 73 Final
McKendree 67 Washington U. 82 Final
Mount St. Vincent 64 New York University 63 Final
Rochester 83 Emory 62 Final
Illinois Wesleyan 60 Chicago 68 Final
Brandeis 88 Salem State 73 Final
Pomona-Pitzer 50 Washington U. 76 Final

Looking ahead, Washington University is the only UAA team with games this week worth mentioning.  The two biggest games of the year, in fact.  The Bears have an ultra-tough reading week ahead, hosting Wheaton on Wednesday and Augustana on Saturday. 

Live video for both games: http://www.stretchinternet.com/wustlschedule.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 09, 2009, 10:35:54 PM
Headline: One CCIW Team Down, One to Go

Washington University beat No. 8 Wheaton College 64-62 to improve to 6-0 on the season.  This game was discussed ad nauseum in another thread, so I will not say too much here.

Nothing pretty about this win.  Very good preparation for the battles WUSTL should face in the tournament.

The story of the evening is of course Spencer Gay who scored 14 points including two free throws to give WUSTL the lead. 

I am too tired to comment more.

Next up: Augustana on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 09, 2009, 10:40:49 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 06, 2009, 01:15:50 PM
It looks like the UAA rolled through the weekend going 6-2.  Chicago had the only notable win with the 68-60 win over Illinois-Wesleyan (thanks Gregory Sager for the update).

New York dropped to 3-2 on a last minute shot by Mount St. Vincent in a game filled with three pointers and even more three point attempts (56 between the two schools).

Rochester moved to 6-1 with a win over Emory (4-2) in the first UAA conference match-up of the season.

Brandeis 76 Framingham State 73 Final
McKendree 67 Washington U. 82 Final
Mount St. Vincent 64 New York University 63 Final
Rochester 83 Emory 62 Final
Illinois Wesleyan 60 Chicago 68 Final
Brandeis 88 Salem State 73 Final
Pomona-Pitzer 50 Washington U. 76 Final

Looking ahead, Washington University is the only UAA team with games this week worth mentioning.  The two biggest games of the year, in fact.  The Bears have an ultra-tough reading week ahead, hosting Wheaton on Wednesday and Augustana on Saturday. 

Live video for both games: http://www.stretchinternet.com/wustlschedule.html

I would call that a 5-1 week, in conference games dont mean a thing in terms of strength of conference.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2009, 10:49:35 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 09, 2009, 10:35:54 PM
Headline: One CCIW Team Down, One to Go

Two down, one to go, if you're talking about the regular season rather than this week. Wash U beat Illinois Wesleyan back on November 22.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 09, 2009, 11:08:15 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2009, 10:49:35 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 09, 2009, 10:35:54 PM
Headline: One CCIW Team Down, One to Go

Two down, one to go, if you're talking about the regular season rather than this week. Wash U beat Illinois Wesleyan back on November 22.

You beat me to the reply.  Since WashU is only +7 for the season, if Augie can shock the world and win by 8+, the CCIW can still prevail! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 09, 2009, 11:16:43 PM
My headline was for the week, since we are playing two in one week.  I am well aware of the win over Illinois Wesleyan.

If you were my editors, you would win out though.  Ultimately, I like your version better. 

I am sure that Augustana is capable of giving the Bears a very good game and are even capable of winning, but it seems that the odds are against them at this point.  They have very little time to rest and recover and make final preparations.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 09, 2009, 11:34:20 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 09, 2009, 10:40:49 PM
I would call that a 5-1 week, in conference games don't mean a thing in terms of strength of conference.

I agree.  I had planned to add that to the analysis, but I really did not want to spend too much time on it and so I posted my post without it.

I am not following the UAA as close as my post would suggest.  I was mostly hoping to draw in other UAA fans by keeping the thread alive.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on December 12, 2009, 02:40:40 PM
Little nervous about Augie today. They have some pretty good size down ow which will test the Bears. WU -8.5 on the faux line....145 o/u....If the Bears win today and take the Wooster tourney (the latter being a big if, particularly with it being just after the holiday and on the road) I think it's fair to start the undefeated chatter. Early yes, but the UAA is down again this year and with wins already over McKendree and Wheaton, I don't see many teams getting in the Bears way.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 12, 2009, 04:59:04 PM
The game tonight should be fun.  A test for both teams, and like the Wheaton game, great preparation for a post-season run.

I do think the big question of the night is whether or not fatigue is a factor for Augustana, both mental and physical.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 12, 2009, 10:49:40 PM
The press release referred to the 71-53 Washington University win over Augustana as a rout.  I have no better word to describe the win.

The Bears played great offense and even better defense tonight.  Washington University took the early lead and looked to be in control.  Augustana did have a good run early on in the first half, coupled with tight defense, that got them back in the game, but the second half was all WUSTL.

I am too tired to go in to detail, but I think that the starters and key reserves all played very good basketball tonight.  No complaints.  This is a great team.

Hats off to Augustana on a long week.  They played tough, physical basketball, but the shot were not falling tonight.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 12, 2009, 10:53:43 PM
Chicago and New York University also had wins today.  Incidentally, both were against winless squads that shall remain nameless.

Chicago heads to Augustana this week.  A few more games in an otherwise boring week for the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 13, 2009, 11:38:04 AM
I know no one expects much out of the Spartans but thought I'd chime in with a recap of the pre-holiday portion of the season.

First, Kevin Herring is not with the team (not in school is my information).  Two frosh are among the players who have been in all eight games, averaging 12 and 17 minutes.  Tom Summers is averaging a double-double w/ 14.2 p/g and 10.5 r/g.  Reid Anderson is leading scorer with 16.5 p/g.

The record is 6-2 with wins over Montclair (pre-season 3rd in NJAC), Hiram (who beat then #22 Wittenberg), and W&L from the tough ODAC.  The two losses were to Thomas More (pre-season PrezAC pick) and Wilmington (receiving votes in the d3hoops poll and likely to get more with yesterday's win over John Carroll).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on December 13, 2009, 06:00:32 PM
Quality video of the 'dancin bears' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzn5Ro04PMs

Happy Holidays.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 18, 2009, 10:51:54 PM
WashU is 5th in NCSA Collegiate Power Rankings:

http://www.mitathletics.com/genrel/2009-10/NCSARankings_121809
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on December 21, 2009, 11:44:38 AM
Nobody has mentioned Wash U was without 2 starters in the game with Fontbonne on Saturday  -  Center Zach Kelly out with Mono,  Forward Kaleb Knepper out with a concussion   -   not sure of their status for the tourney in Wooster....    Replacements Alex Toth and Spencer Gay both scored in double figures, but were forced to log significant minutes as the bench is shortened big time.....

Toth looks good every time he gets in, especially as a starter, as long as he stays out of foul trouble.  The kid is STRONG, but with a very reasonable touch on his shot.   
Disappointing, however, has been the play of 6th man Dylan Richter - seems to be trying too hard to make things happen instead of flowing with the offense, and his shooting needs lots of help....still, lots of potential. 
Will be interesting to see how Wash U comes up with a point guard for next year... with both Sean Wallis and Ross Kelly playing in their final season, there will be no experience at point to go with a lineup that will likely include Ricther, Knepper, Toth, and Gay....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 21, 2009, 12:14:43 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 21, 2009, 11:44:38 AM
Nobody has mentioned Wash U was without 2 starters in the game with Fontbonne on Saturday  -  Center Zach Kelly out with Mono,  Forward Kaleb Knepper out with a concussion   -   not sure of their status for the tourney in Wooster....    Replacements Alex Toth and Spencer Gay both scored in double figures, but were forced to log significant minutes as the bench is shortened big time.....

Toth looks good every time he gets in, especially as a starter, as long as he stays out of foul trouble.  The kid is STRONG, but with a very reasonable touch on his shot.   
Disappointing, however, has been the play of 6th man Dylan Richter - seems to be trying too hard to make things happen instead of flowing with the offense, and his shooting needs lots of help....still, lots of potential. 
Will be interesting to see how Wash U comes up with a point guard for next year... with both Sean Wallis and Ross Kelly playing in their final season, there will be no experience at point to go with a lineup that will likely include Ricther, Knepper, Toth, and Gay....

If they get a 3rd championship, I am sure they are willing to develop a point guard starting next season.  They have looked rather impressive so far this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 21, 2009, 12:31:29 PM
Thanks for the update.  I was out of town over the weekend and so I did not attend the game.  This is the only local game I will miss all year.

I am glad to see Alex Toth stepping up.  It seems to me that both Toth and Richter have struggled this year, though both have had good games.  Dylan Richter looked very good against Pomona-Pitzer, for example.

I had not heard that Caleb Knepper was out with a concussion.  That is horrible news.

Not knowing what the Coach has in mind for next season, I do think that Ben Hoener from Parkway South may make a great replacement at PG, though obviously, this is going to be a much different team next season with the loss of Wallis, Kelley, not to mention, Kelly, Thompson, and Smith.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on December 21, 2009, 12:43:39 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 21, 2009, 11:44:38 AMWill be interesting to see how Wash U comes up with a point guard for next year... with both Sean Wallis and Ross Kelly playing in their final season, there will be no experience at point to go with a lineup that will likely include Ricther, Knepper, Toth, and Gay....

I saw freshman Ben Hoener (Parkway South) play twice last year.  I think he is going to be a very solid Division III PG.  He is quick, can score in a variety of ways, and is a great leader on the floor.  Hoener won't score like he did in high school (averaged 20+ ppg I think), but he won't be asked to either.  A little quick guy, he reminds me a lot of IWU's Travis Rosenkranz (and had similar high school numbers).

There will be a transition period for Hoener next year (as there is with any new varsity player), but I think he'll be good by mid-season 2010-11.

Great programs always have that "next wave" of players on the bench.  Wash U has it in Dylan Richter (who I project as an All-American when he finally figures it out), Gay, Toth, Hoener, etc..  Mark Edwards and the Bears have it rolling.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on December 21, 2009, 01:28:18 PM
Wash U also has a soph guard named Jake Seymore who may get a shot at point next year...  I'm slightly aware of him as he was recruited heavily by my alma mater RPI two years ago.  Stronger and a little bigger than Hoener...   But those two seem to be the only candidates unless a new face comes in and beats them out.... both are getting their only minutes in blow-outs....  but obviously a heck of an education in practice.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 21, 2009, 03:59:30 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on December 21, 2009, 12:43:39 PM
I saw freshman Ben Hoener (Parkway South) play twice last year.  I think he is going to be a very solid Division III PG.  He is quick, can score in a variety of ways, and is a great leader on the floor.  Hoener won't score like he did in high school (averaged 20+ ppg I think), but he won't be asked to either.  A little quick guy, he reminds me a lot of IWU's Travis Rosenkranz (and had similar high school numbers).

There will be a transition period for Hoener next year (as there is with any new varsity player), but I think he'll be good by mid-season 2010-11.

I agree with you on everything you said here.  My only comment: if you watched Parkway South play two games, you must really watch a lot of basketball.  Nothing wrong with that, though.  I wish I could watch much more.

QuoteWash U has it in Dylan Richter (who I project as an All-American when he finally figures it out).

I hope (and think) you are right about this prediction.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on December 21, 2009, 05:25:48 PM
Richter will be fine. Part of the reason he's struggled a tad is because with Gay playing so well and Smith being solid as always, there jusy aren't that many minutes available. I'm not terribly concerned.

Hoener will get time, but also look out for a kid named Nash Oh next year. Very, very talented and the victim of playing on a team with so many excellent players at his position. Suburban DC kid who put up big numbers in HS and will get a chance. Same for Sean Stanley who starred at New Trier. Seymour and JD Elder are also both able back-ups who would get quality minutes at most UAA schools. Finding someone to fill in at the 2 is more of a concern I think. Richter is more of a tweener and slasher so if the Bears are looking for a pure shooter, they'll have to do that through recruiting.

I think WU will be an 18-7, 17-8 type team next year, but with the way Knepper, Toth, and Gay have been playing, we could see another UAA banner hanging in the Field House. It's too early to speculate at this point.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 21, 2009, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on December 21, 2009, 05:25:48 PM
I think WU will be an 18-7, 17-8 type team next year, but with the way Knepper, Toth, and Gay have been playing, we could see another UAA banner hanging in the Field House. It's too early to speculate at this point.

Any thoughts on Austin Curry?  I thought he looked liked a player with a lot of potential in the few games he played including the 3-6 and four rebound performance in four minutes against MacMurray.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on December 21, 2009, 09:24:27 PM
I'm a little more optimistic than Marty - I really think they could continue on as a nationally ranked team with that returning nucleus.   I think of Elder more as a two guard and not a bad shooter, though Aaron thompson has spoiled us badly - Coach looks at Seymore as a point....  I hadn't heard about Nash Oh - will keep my eyes open for him....Curry looks like a good athlete.. likely will play a backup role to Richter next year..He had a tough night against Fontbonne the other night....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on December 21, 2009, 10:27:14 PM
The word is that Oh and Hoener are almost equals talent-wise. Very little difference at this point. It's almost a moot point anyway since you have two pg's on the roster who have led their squad to national titles, so either of the frosh seeing time this year just ain't gonna happen unless there's an injury. Word on Curry is that he's solid but will never be a major contributor. He's been a pleasant surprise but he was never touted as a guy who was expected to be in the regular rotation. Next year's team actually might be more talented and athletic than this one, but they will not have the leadership that the last few years' teams have had. People simply don't understand how much Wallis, Thompson, Smith and previously Nading epitomized wu basketball. Their initiative, more so arguably than that of Edwards himself, has been the catalyst in turning WU from a 17-8 team to a 24-1 team. I really believe that. At the D3 level in particular, you simply can't discount that type of leadership. It remains to be seen who will fill that void. Since this squad has such a nucleus of leaders, no one has had to give much thought to who will emerge in the leadership role next year. I honestly believe that Toth, Gay, and Richter are D1 type athletes. Monster talents all. But the steady and system-based play of AT, Sean, and Cam is almost machine-like in its efficacy and that keeps the whole team moving. Edwards will have an almost entirely new job next year. Right now, AT, Sean, and Cam coupled with the Kellys are almost all coaches on the floor. When they depart, things will be very interesting. Talent wise, the sky is the limit, but they will have to learn to win by themselves and that will be the most enjoyable (and at times I'm sure frustrating) part to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on December 21, 2009, 10:50:35 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on December 21, 2009, 10:27:14 PM
I honestly believe that Toth, Gay, and Richter are D1 type athletes. Monster talents all.

Richter could find a home on the roster of some low D1 team.  (Like SIU-E, where his H.S. teammate Kevin Stineman plays.)  But list some D1 teams Toth and Gay could play for...I don't see that at all.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on December 21, 2009, 11:04:48 PM
TQ, either you or Greg wrote a rather low evaluation of Toth in the past too--  I think saying he was not thought of highly coming out of HS   --I'm telling you, for D3, this kid is an absolute force on the boards, STRONG, mobile around the basket with the ball, and able to hit the 15 foot j when he pops to the post.  I really think HE is the potential go to man of the future....  He only lacks the quickness to the ball that Ruths had....

Marty - I agree 100% with all the good words about this years seniors and that GS kid :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on December 22, 2009, 07:52:15 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 21, 2009, 11:04:48 PM
TQ, either you or Greg wrote a rather low evaluation of Toth in the past too--  I think saying he was not thought of highly coming out of HS   --I'm telling you, for D3, this kid is an absolute force on the boards, STRONG, mobile around the basket with the ball, and able to hit the 15 foot j when he pops to the post.  I really think HE is the potential go to man of the future....  He only lacks the quickness to the ball that Ruths had....

Marty - I agree 100% with all the good words about this years seniors and that GS kid :D

Saying he is not a Division I athlete is a low evaluation?

I think Toth is a very good Division III player...I watched him have numerous big games last year as a freshman.  But Marty said he is a "DI type athlete", and I think that is a huge stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on December 22, 2009, 09:30:29 AM
And hopefan, this is probably what you're referring to from last season:

Quote from: Titan Q on December 13, 2008, 09:34:39 AM
By the way, the Wash U player guarding Chamernik in that pic is 6-6/215 Alex Toth, a freshman from Prospect H.S.  I watched John Camardella's team play last year and would have never guessed Toth would play this much as a freshman for the defending national champs (16-17 min/game lately).  In the IWU game, he played well and looks to me like he's going to be a really good player at Wash U.

Quote from: petemcb on December 13, 2008, 10:25:52 AM
I would say Kevin Reed is still the biggest D3 recruit/prospect from last year's Prospect team.  He's getting a lot of interest from Carthage, IWU, Augie, and UW-LaCrosse among others.  After a few of the big games he's had so far this year for Prospect, that is only likely to increase.  It should be a fun time for Kevin.


I don't think either post (mine or petemcb's) qualifies as a "low evaluation."
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on December 22, 2009, 10:31:55 AM
I would agree TQ regarding your comments, but I really though SOMEONE made a post indicating Toth was not much of a prospect coming out of High School - not trying to put you on the hot seat ;D ;D.

And unless Richter begins to fit into things better, thinking of  him as an All American prospect may be even a bigger stretch.... He just needs to play the role he played last year....  Marty does a good job of evaluation- I hope he's right on Richter....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on December 22, 2009, 11:38:58 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 22, 2009, 10:31:55 AM
And unless Richter begins to fit into things better, thinking of  him as an All American prospect may be even a bigger stretch.... He just needs to play the role he played last year....  Marty does a good job of evaluation- I hope he's right on Richter....

I agree that Richter's production and play to date really does not suggestion future All-American status.  My prediction there is mainly based on the skill set I see and his potential.  I think everyone agrees, he has all the tools to be a star someday.

Probably the biggest factor in excelling (at anything) is opportunity.  Right now, Richter is playing behind what will turn out to be a legendary Division III nucleus, and is basically just a role player off the bench.  I think he will "fit into things better" (as you say) and "figure it out" (as I say) when he finally gets the chance to start next year.  Some players can excell in a reserve role.  Richter strikes me as the kind of player who needs to be "the guy" to really let it loose and shine.

When given the opportunity, I think we'll see all that potential realized.  
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on December 22, 2009, 04:59:32 PM
Talent and tools-wise, Toth finds a home on a Patriot League Roster. He's agile around the hoop, has good hands, and a nice touch. He tends to get in foul trouble and this limits his ability and potential, but tools-wise, he is closer to a D1 talent than almost anyone on the roster. That doesn't mean he is of D1 quality night in night out, but as his recent numbers show, the kid has serious gifts. Gay is the most explosive slasher I have seen at Wash.U and arguably in the UAA. He simply didn't get it all together until this year. His explosiveness is the defining attribute of his game and he tends to play well in spurts. It's important to note that D1 or D2 talent (difficult define as is) doesn't necessarily make for a championship caliber squad in D3. Sean Wallis and Troy Ruths are exceptional D3 players; their skills and basketball savvy simply translates well at the D3 level and that has enabled Wash.U. to emerge as the power they are. They run an unbelievably efficient offense. With Toth and Gay and Richter, you'll see an increased explosiveness and probably more dunks and general above-the-rim type stuff, but that won't necessarily correlate to wins if they can't play together. It will be very intriguing to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on December 29, 2009, 12:46:59 PM
Was going to ask if anyone knew the status of Wash U's Caleb Knepper (concussion) and Zack Kelly (mono) for the opener vs Transy at Wooster  -  then I checked the Wash U page and there is some pre-tourney info posted  -  Knepper is listed as a starter, but Kelly isn't listed as a starter or a sub....  It's been a long time since I was at college - what's the typical recovery time with mono?   
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 29, 2009, 01:11:19 PM
I'm sorry to hear that Zach Kelly has been confirmed with mono.  The risk with mono is that his spleen could be enlarged-- which means that if he comes back to the basketball court too soon, he could get a life-threatening ruptured spleen.  According to WebMd, a person infected with mono will need to stay in bed  (aka complete bed rest) for a minimum of 4 weeks after symptoms first surface, and if he/she is an athlete that plays contact sports such as basketball, he/she will need medical clearance from a doctor to resume playing even after the minimum 4 weeks are up.  The good news is that once the symptoms subside, the disease will not come back, although the virus that causes mono will remain dormant  (aka the person infected with mono will always carry that virus in his/her system) and could become active and infect others at any time.

(Just from what I read at WebMd-- I am not a physician, please consult with your doctor for any medical advice-- just assume that Mr. Kelly is out for an indefinite period of time.)
Title: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2009, 01:56:02 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on December 29, 2009, 01:11:19 PM
Just from what I read at WebMd

I also checked WebMD for mono because I was curious as well.  Glad I am not the only one.

____________________

I do not have the time or talent to go through and do the thorough research and analysis that you see in other conference threads, but I did a quick summary of the conference record so far, not including conference games.  It looks like the UAA starts the spring semester with a 49-14 record overall with each team postings a winning record for games played.  A good record, considering the overall strength of schedules (not the strongest).

Washington University 8-0
Rochester 7-1
Brandeis 7-1
Case Western Reserve 6-2
Chicago 6-2
New York University 5-2
Emory 6-3
Carnegie Mellon 4-3

Conference action begins in a little less than two weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 30, 2009, 01:42:49 AM
Anyone with a recap of the WashU loss?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 30, 2009, 07:18:00 AM
I would like to hear a first-hand account from someone who was there in Ohio to witness the game, but I have been able to read the box score and play by play of the game, as well as hear a summary account from Jay Murray last night, who was calling the Wash U women's game vs Ripon on the internet video feed.

Here-- in a nutshell-- were the keys to the Transy upset:

(1)  The game was played 8 on 8, with Wash U playing a starting 5 with 3 reserves, and Transy also playing a starting 5 with 3 reserves.  (This was of interest to me because Brandeis, with a 10 player roster this season, is planning to play UAA games with an 8 player rotation most of the time.)

(2)  Transy was able to hold Wallis scoreless in the first half and Aaron Thompson to 2 of 2 from the line in the first half for 2 first half points combined from these two men.

(3)  Transy used the 3 pt shot as their primary weapon in the game (a la Chicago men)-- Transy hit 8 of 13 from 3 pt range in the first half and 11 of 22 from 3 pt range for the game.  Wash U only hit 5 of 19 from 3 pt land for the game.

(4)  The game was tied at 30-30 with 3:14 left in the first half before Transy hit 3 consecutive 3 ptrs to take a 39-30 lead into the locker room.

In the second half

(1)  Transy was able to build their halftime lead of 9 points to a 17 point lead.  Transy led 54-37 with 12:31 remaining in the game before Wash U mounted their comeback attempt.

(2)  Aaron Thompson had a big second half to help Spencer Gay in the comeback attempt, while Sean Wallis scored all 7 of his points in the second half  (the 7 included a layup to cut the Transy lead to 2 at 71-69 with 7 seconds to go.

(3)  Wash U could only cut the deficit to as close as 2 pts with 22 seconds to go and 7 seconds to go respectively, but Transy went 6 of 6 from the line in the final 30 seconds to seal the upset.

Spencer Gay led Wash U with 19 pts and 11 rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on December 30, 2009, 09:38:42 AM
Hats off to Transy.  They played great perimeter defense.  They shot the ball very well and they controlled the tempo.  WashU was never able to get a flow going offensively.  The game was pretty physical but not rockem' sockem' robots.  Having another body down low to help Alex Toth might have helped, but the key to the game was Transy's perimeter shooting, they never missed a shot when they needed to either stop a WashU rally or maintain one of their own. I honestly thought WashU looked pretty sluggish in the first half and not nearly as crisp as they certainly can be.  Spencer Gay was the only bright spot for most of the game.  Transy's defense took away other options for large chunks of the game.  Fifteen turnovers by the Bears seemed more critical than the same number by Transy because WashU was trying to battle back so the TO's become magnified.  Transy maintained great composure as WashU tried to mount a comeback late.  I will be interested in the Transy vs. Anderson matchup in the HCAC. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 30, 2009, 12:05:39 PM
WashU33Fan - thanks for the recap, and congrats to your son for breaking your household scoring record. although im sure the game overshadowed the accomplishment for AT.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on December 31, 2009, 06:30:15 PM
Wydown,

Thanks so much for the compliment but I couldn't score 1296 or more points in a lifetime of chances, uncontested on an eight foot basket.  Denny really appreciates your comments and we both chuckled about me being AT's dad.  Thank goodness AT didn't have to rely on me for any athletic prowess.  AT is a special young man from a special family whom I was lucky enough to become a part of through marriage to my lovely bride.  It is certainly fun to watch my nephew play a game that he loves at a pretty high level.  Go Bears!

WashU33fan (AT's uncle)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on January 01, 2010, 02:26:53 PM
 :-[  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: r-buddy on January 02, 2010, 11:53:10 AM
The previous summary of the WU-Transy game seems generally accurate to me.  Transy hit some incredible shots against good defense and at other times WU's defense was not as tight as it might have been. Transy was very well prepared for the game.  All in all the trip might prove a useful wake up for WU as well as a confidence builder for some of the less experienced players.  Every team needs a go-to guy, but at times WU may have looked to AT more than is ideal --it will be good if others are more willing to step up.   
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on January 02, 2010, 02:36:53 PM
Welcome to the board r-buddy. I agree with your last post.

Bears take on Webster next. Should be a good warmup before conference play starts. Webster is 4-6 and doesn't look like they're scoring too many points (58.5 ppg).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on January 04, 2010, 08:34:57 PM
Clarkson hits a 3 pointer with 6 seconds left to tie Rochester and send the game into OT.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 04, 2010, 08:53:26 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on January 02, 2010, 02:36:53 PM
Bears take on Webster next. Should be a good warmup before conference play starts. Webster is 4-6 and doesn't look like they're scoring too many points (58.5 ppg).

Actually, Webster was 5-6 going into today's game, having won at Spalding on Saturday. And yes, they have not been putting up a lot of points, although they scored 71 in the Spalding game. But they must be doing something right on defense, holding Wash U to 69 today, and all opponents to an average of 62.6 over 12 games.

I think Wash U must miss Zach Kelly more than people realize.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on January 04, 2010, 08:54:54 PM
Rochester loses in overtime to visiting Clarkson College 66-63.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 04, 2010, 09:25:23 PM
The story of the night from the Washington University Field House was the half beards and goatees. 

Otherwise, the Bears started strong and held a comfortable double digit lead for most of the game.  Webster played a good game, but lacked the fire power to make it a game.

I thought the officiating was possibly the worst I have seen at home all season.  Not horrible, but not great either.  I do not expect everyone to agree with me on this issue, but I thought that the Gorlocks got the better of the calls, particularly in the second half.

I think everybody probably understands how important Zach Kelly is to the team.  Kelly did warm-up with the team, so maybe he will return sooner rather than later.

Next up: the University of Chicago Maroons on Saturday afternoon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 04, 2010, 09:33:18 PM
I went over to Milton, MA (the next town over from where I live) to see Brandeis take on Curry today.

Some notes:

Brandeis added another player to the roster over the semester break.  His name is Wouter van der Eng (#2) from the Netherlands-- played high school ball at Kimball Union (NH)

Wouter van der Eng  transferred to Brandeis from Colby-Sawyer, where he played 39 minutes of action in Colby-Sawyer's first 6 games-- career high is 4 pts vs Rivier-- scored 12 points for the Chargers in the first semester.

He is good friends with Vytas Kriskus from the days of high school ball.

Expect van der Eng to be primarily used in practice with limited action in games while his game develops-- he got 2 minutes of action against Curry today.

As for the game itself:

A big performance from Vytas Kriskus today (26 pts)

Terrell Hollins had a double-double as well.

Curry made things interesting late in the game, but Brandeis held on for the win.

(Additional note:  Curry no longer plays their home games in the small Miller Gym.  A new student center opened up on their campus over the fall, and inside the building is their new home basketball court, which seats 1000.  It has not been dedicated yet, and is being called New Student Center Gymnasium for the time being.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 04, 2010, 09:38:10 PM
Thanks for the update on the Brandeis game.

I hate to hear about the Rochester loss at home tonight.  It was a mixed holiday weekend in the UAA with the University of Chicago losing to the Milwaukee School of Engineering (64-62), and Carnegie Mellon losing to Widener (67-60) and Alvernia (72-62).

Case Western Reserve did take out Oberlin (55-52) and Emory beat Drew (88-54) but lost to Washington and Lee (76-65).  New York University beat both Wentworth and Lebanon Valley.

The University of Chicago may be one of the more interesting stories in the UAA this season with four straight wins to start the season, a good win over Illinois Weslyan, and now four straight losses.  I have not closely followed the Maroons this year.

Does someone have an explanation?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 04, 2010, 09:54:38 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 04, 2010, 09:33:18 PMBrandeis added another player to the roster over the semester break.  His name is Wouter van der Eng (#2) from the Netherlands-- played high school ball at Kimball Union (NH)

Good ol' Wally From-The-Narrows.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on January 05, 2010, 02:57:41 AM
Quote from: WUH on January 04, 2010, 09:25:23 PM
The story of the night from the Washington University Field House was the half beards and goatees. 

Otherwise, the Bears started strong and held a comfortable double digit lead for most of the game.  Webster played a good game, but lacked the fire power to make it a game.

I thought the officiating was possibly the worst I have seen at home all season.  Not horrible, but not great either.  I do not expect everyone to agree with me on this issue, but I thought that the Gorlocks got the better of the calls, particularly in the second half.

I think everybody probably understands how important Zach Kelly is to the team.  Kelly did warm-up with the team, so maybe he will return sooner rather than later.

Next up: the University of Chicago Maroons on Saturday afternoon.

Wow... worst officiating I have seen at the Fieldhouse in a long time. It was not who the calls were for or against, but it was the inconsistency that bothered me. Sometimes calling handchecks, but then not calling obvious blocking calls. WashU benefited from those moving screen calls (even when Cam Smith had a handful of jersey  :D), but then the refs completely ignored when Wallis drew contact or AT was hacked on one of his three point attempts in the second half. The commentator was pretty funny about it all.

I dont know if the Bears really miss ZK this game (not saying he isnt a big part of their team this season). Toth and Gay did a great job controlling the paint defensively, and ZK doesn't contribute too much more offensively... If anything, this game Wallis was looking for calls off of pump fakes and step back moves that the refs werent giving and therefore his shots looked ill-advised. Webster hit a lot of contested shots in the first half to keep them in the game and to come back after WashU had the hot start. The big dog (AT) never really got it going and there werent too many fast break opportunities for easy buckets. Just wasnt the fluid WashU offense I was expecting.

WashU was a little banged up from what I hear though. AT wasnt 100% (cold symptoms or something?) and Kelly obviously not playing. I had given such a big hoot and holler on the Top 25 board that I was a little disappointed in the performance, but sometimes its hard to riled up for SLIAC games. Saturday afternoon I expect WashU to be ready.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on January 05, 2010, 08:27:39 AM
Talked briefly to assistant - Zach may get a couple minutes this weekend only if cleared by medical - My thought is he will be brought back slowly over the next two weeks. 

As solid as Toth is, the offense does seem to run a little smoother with Zach in  -  like the four years of timing makes the screens, the movement away from the ball etc a little more in synch with the starters.  In reality, the last several games I've seen, Wash U is not getting as much out of their offense as usual - fewer back door layups, fewer open looks for Thompson and Knepper, more forced one on one stuff as the clock winds down by Wallis....  of course, maybe teams just come in more pumped up and with a little more knowledge of what the Bears run....  I thought Webster played outstanding defense yesterday...  WUH's description of the flow of the game didn't give Webster enough credit...  that comfortable lead never exceeded 13 in the second half and closed to 8 a couple times... Webster played them tough, and Wash U had to play the 'great 8' the whole game.   Two telling features in the game.... the fast early start by the Bears, and ... get this.... Wash U outscores Webster 16-4 from the foul line - field goals were even despite Webster having a horrible 1st half shooting....   

And by the way, as soon as you saw who was officiating, you knew it was going to be awful  -  those 3, well......   I preach not worrying about the refs.....   two off the ball screens on offense foul calls in the midst of Webster's run just killed them.......
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on January 07, 2010, 09:42:35 PM
This article mentions that Tim Cooney (6-3 Guard, St. Louis U High) is heading to Wash U...

http://stlhighschoolsports.com/uncategorized/athletes-of-the-week-2/

I saw Cooney play earlier this year.  He is a 6-3 "combo guard"- can play both the 1 and the 2, although I'm not sure he is outstanding at either.  Solid in both roles, but not great.  I don't see Cooney being an All-UAA player at Wash U, but I think he'll be a good player.

Again, I've only seen him once, so take it for what it's worth.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 09, 2010, 04:32:54 AM
Thanks, NYU, for videocasting today's game between Brandeis and NYU at Coles Center.  For the second year in a row, my financial situation is preventing me from making the trip to New York in person (I can't afford two nights in a hotel in New Jersey, and it is very expensive having to use Amtrak to do a same day trip just to attend the game.   What about the cheaper buses from Boston, you ask?  They wouldn't arrive back in Boston until after the last commuter rail train left Boston for Canton, MA for the night-- Last train leaves South Station at 11:10 PM, and Brandeis won't leave NYU until 7:30 PM tonight at the earliest.)

Go Judges!!!  (Both women and men, BTW!!!)

Clarification:  http://www.gonyuathletics.com has all the details on the video webcast.  This will be the first time ever that an NYU home basketball game will be video streamed.  NYU plans to video stream all of their home UAA games this season.

Update-- WBRS listed on their website that they have made the trip down.

Links to both the WBRS and WNYU audio feeds have already been posted on D3Hoops.com
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 09, 2010, 06:02:07 PM
Now that the doubleheader is over-- I did appreciate all the comments from the faithful on the WBRS audiocast mentioning how much they miss my not being there today at NYU-- but I have to be careful about my finances.  I did miss seeing all of the Brandeis alumni and former Brandeis basketball players who attended today.  I could not be there in person, but thanks to NYU deciding to make this game their first video cast, I felt like I virtually attended the game today, even if I could not be there at Coles personally.

Not a great shooting game for Brandeis today, unfortunately.  However, I think we all knew that the #8 ranking was too high given Brandeis's non-conference play to start with, and as Brandeis coach Brian Meehan always says:  "I don't pay too much attention to the rankings.  Rankings by themselves don't win you ball games."

NYU gets their first victory over the Brandeis men since January of 2006-- Brandeis had won the previous seven matchups over NYU before today. 

PS-- the next goal for a New York trip now will be for Brandeis  to sweep the doubleheader with the Violets down there.    Hopefully within the next ten years, that can be done-- although with next year's trip falling on NYU's Senior Day, the goal will be difficult in the short term.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 09, 2010, 06:36:16 PM
I am going to ignore the non-conference records for a minute and suggest that the University of Chicago Maroons are the best team that Washington University has played all year.  Chicago is a good team.  Very physical and very athletic.  The Bears walked away with a 64-60 win, but this game was an in-and-out three point shot away from overtime.

This was a great team effort by the Bears.  Great play by Cameron Smith and Aaron Thompson.  Zach Kelly returned to the line up tonight and played a tough 16 minutes against the Chicago big guys.  And, Caleb Knepper scored 11 points on 4-7 shooting including a few big shots when the Bears needed the momentum.

Of course, the key to this game was, not surprisingly, Sean Wallis.  This was a game that the Wallis family will remember for a long time.  Words cannot adequately describe the game he played tonight.  Brilliant is the best that I have at the moment!  His 24 points, on 9-15 shooting, gave him 1,000 (and then some) for his career.

______________________

Finally, I know for a fact that nobody wants to hear about the officiating again, but this was the second poorly officiated game in a row.  I would submit as evidence the Jake Pancratz charge on Wallis, who was clearly moving when he was hit and the Toth charge on the Maroon that took the charge.  In addition, the Michael Sustarsic hand checks on Wallis.  It took three to the head to finally garner the call.

______________________

Officiating aside, the Bears move to 10-1 with the next set of UAA teams coming in next weekend.  Also, congratulations to Women's Basketball team for the 63-34 annihilation of the No. 21 University of Chicago Maroons.  Good work.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 09, 2010, 08:58:52 PM
Not too surprised with either result today.  I was expecting Chicago to play WashU tough because the teams know each other well and always play eachother close.

NYU was not surprising at all either.  NYU has size and some depth, both of which Brandeis lacks.  Couple that with bad games from Kenny Small and Andre Roberson (combined 3-25 from the field) and Brandeis was lucky to keep it this close.  What kept it somewhat close for Brandeis was the 21 turnovers for NYU, compared to only 9 turnovers for Brandeis (Brandeis was +24 on FGAs), and 10 missed FTs by NYU, but NYU dominated every other facet of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on January 10, 2010, 01:36:08 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 09, 2010, 08:58:52 PM
Not too surprised with either result today.  I was expecting Chicago to play WashU tough because the teams know each other well and always play eachother close.

NYU was not surprising at all either.  NYU has size and some depth, both of which Brandeis lacks.  Couple that with bad games from Kenny Small and Andre Roberson (combined 3-25 from the field) and Brandeis was lucky to keep it this close.  What kept it somewhat close for Brandeis was the 21 turnovers for NYU, compared to only 9 turnovers for Brandeis (Brandeis was +24 on FGAs), and 10 missed FTs by NYU, but NYU dominated every other facet of the game.

Great defense and sticktoitiveness on the offensive half of the court by NYU. If NYU corrals turnovers and continues to get more 'crispy' on offense, they will turn some heads this year. I think the biggest key for them is WANTING it more than the team that they're playing.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 10, 2010, 04:27:05 PM
After non-conference play and the first few conference games, here is how I see the conference:

1. WashU
2. Rochester
3. NYU
4. Brandeis
5. Chicago
6. Emory
7. CWRU
8. Carnegie Mellon

Others thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 11, 2010, 09:39:22 PM
I have been really impressed with NYU recently.  The had two losses early in the season (first 5 games), that they probably should not have lost, but they have played really well lately.  First they beat Lebanon Valley, a team that has beat 13th ranked F&M, then they beat#8 Brandeis, and tonight they travel to Wesleyan (a team in the top half off the NESCAC) and absolutely put the route on them, winning by 21, which is Wesleyan's worst loss of the season (they have already played Williams and Amherst).  This could be the best NYU has been compared to the rest of the UAA in a long time, they could conceivably finish 2nd this year.  If they keep winning, they could even start picking up some Top 25 votes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 12, 2010, 04:51:01 AM
As for NYU, Carl Yaffe is NYU's top newcomer, but on a local front, I have been checking on the progress of Kyle Stockmal and his twin brother Cory Stockmal, both of whom play for NYU.   Both brothers played high school ball at Watertown (MA) High School under Brandeis Athletics Hall of Famer Steve Harrington.  Kyle Stockmal helped lead Watertown to a state championship last year.

(Harrington already declared that he would be in NYU's corner this year in the NYU vs Brandeis matches, but would otherwise be cheering on both teams.)

Kyle Stockmal has been getting a lot of minutes his first year at NYU, and I expect that he will develop into a terrific player for the Violets later on.  Kyle Stockmal scored 3 pts in his UAA debut on Saturday in 19 minutes of action.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on January 12, 2010, 08:55:25 AM
NYU does look good.  And the Stockmals were a great pick-up, I agree.  One minor quibble -- I think Wesleyan is too young and too porous defensively to be considered in the top half of the NESCAC at this point.  I'd say that NESCAC will more likely end up something like Williams, Midd, Amherst, Bowdoin, Colby as the top five with a sizable gap after that, Conn and Tufts last, and Wesleyan, Bates, and Trinity all about even somewhere in 6-7-8 range. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 12, 2010, 10:25:15 AM
Quote from: nescac1 on January 12, 2010, 08:55:25 AM
NYU does look good.  And the Stockmals were a great pick-up, I agree.  One minor quibble -- I think Wesleyan is too young and too porous defensively to be considered in the top half of the NESCAC at this point.  I'd say that NESCAC will more likely end up something like Williams, Midd, Amherst, Bowdoin, Colby as the top five with a sizable gap after that, Conn and Tufts last, and Wesleyan, Bates, and Trinity all about even somewhere in 6-7-8 range.  

You are likely right about the hierarchy of Wesleyan in the NESCAC, but NYU did give them their worst loss so far this season (on Wesleyan's court), and that includes games vs. Williams and at Amherst.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nyp56 on January 12, 2010, 02:24:30 PM
as a longtime nyu fan and frequent reader (but new to posting) on this board, it is really nice to see nyu generating some discussion. i find it difficult to argue that nyu is near the top of the uaa this year, although this weekend's trip to chicago and wash will certainly shed more light on that situation. still, it should be noted that nyu's 2 early losses came without junior captain and all uaa honorable mention guard dj glavan. he played for the first time against brandeis and is still working his way back toward playing significant minutes, and his continued improvement could conceivably only help the violets down the stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on January 13, 2010, 10:58:40 PM
Rochester downs Geneseo St. 61-51 in the 1st round of the Wendy's Classic held in Rochester

Yellowjackets down by 10,  17-7 with 11:00 to go in the 1st half come back to grab 27-25 edge at the break. Rochester quickly up by 11 to start the 2nd and twice Blue Knights cut it to 4, the last time 46-42 at 8:39 before 13-4 Rochester spurt slams the door.

Blue Knights led by Brandon Simpson with 12 pts (6x17 fg) and 8 rebounds. Abe Miller added 7 pts and 10 boards. Mike Baker all around game of 8 pts, 3 rebounds, 4 assists, and 3 steals.

Rochester's Nate Novosel led all scorers with 14 pts on 7x14 from the field and had a double-double with 10 rebounds. Colin Cubit chipped in with 10 pts. John DiBartolomeo added 9 pts, 3 rebounds, 5 assists and 7 steals. Rochester moves to 10-2 while Geneseo falls to 2-8. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2010, 10:39:16 PM

Watching the Brandeis-WashU game tonight.  Went to overtime at 49-49; I might be persuaded to join the Rochester bandwagon after watching this fiasco.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 15, 2010, 10:47:13 PM
Im watching that game also.

Chicago beats NYU 65-58.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 15, 2010, 10:49:21 PM
John Kinsella scored 17 of his game-high 20 points in the second half to lead Chicago over NYU tonight, 65-58. Steve Stefanou added a 16 and 14 double-double for the Maroons, while the Violets were paced by Andy Stein with 17 points, Omar Meziab with a dozen, and Carl Yaffe with 11.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on January 15, 2010, 10:57:19 PM
tough loss for the violets.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 15, 2010, 11:00:53 PM
OT final: Brandeis 58, Wash U 55
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 15, 2010, 11:01:11 PM
As you mentioned Hoops Fan, I have been thoroughly unimpressed with WashU tonight.  Has anyone else tried having an athletic guard smother Wallis.  He has had some decent plays, but overall he has been canceled out by Hughes, forcing 8 turnovers on Wallis (10 points on 3-7 FG, most of which was in the first half).  I know they are missing a player, Caleb Knepper, but they looked very suspect on both offense and defense tonight.  The Brandeis guards got into the lane at will, if they would have made their layups they would have won in regulation.  On offense WashU was equally stagnant.  Kudos to Brandeis for playing a controlled game and limiting the posessions by taking 35 seconds every time they had the ball(which sometimes led to bad shots), but they did what they needed to do.  WashU didnt really exploit their size advantage in this one, which Brandeis has had trouble with in the past.

Brandeis wins: 58-55
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 15, 2010, 11:51:55 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 15, 2010, 11:01:11 PM
WashU didnt really exploit their size advantage in this one, which Brandeis has had trouble with in the past. Brandeis wins: 58-55

Exactly. Zach Kelly with 2  points, a gimme layup at the end of the OT, Alex Toth with 2 points -- an 18 foot jumper. Spencer Gay got loose down low a number times and scored 13.

Those missed Brandeis layups, mentioned above, did cost them the game in regulation, but it was missed Wash U free throws (10-22) that cost the Bears the game.

This is definitely not as good a Wash U team as the past two years and they will graduate Kelly, Kelley, Smith, Thompson, and Wallis, so next season will be very interesting. But I'm not ready to give up on them this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 15, 2010, 11:58:45 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 15, 2010, 11:01:11 PM
As you mentioned Hoops Fan, I have been thoroughly unimpressed with WashU tonight.  Has anyone else tried having an athletic guard smother Wallis.  He has had some decent plays, but overall he has been canceled out by Hughes, forcing 8 turnovers on Wallis (10 points on 3-7 FG, most of which was in the first half).  I know they are missing a player, Caleb Knepper, but they looked very suspect on both offense and defense tonight.  The Brandeis guards got into the lane at will, if they would have made their layups they would have won in regulation.  On offense WashU was equally stagnant.  Kudos to Brandeis for playing a controlled game and limiting the posessions by taking 35 seconds every time they had the ball(which sometimes led to bad shots), but they did what they needed to do.  WashU didnt really exploit their size advantage in this one, which Brandeis has had trouble with in the past.

Brandeis wins: 58-55

It is important to know that Caleb Knepper has become absolutely essential to the Bears offense.  At least this is my opinion.  He is such an offensive threat from the perimeter that he takes loads of pressure off Thompson and Wallis.

I mean, you got to find a way to win with what you got, but the Bears got to have outside shooting.  And, they did not tonight.

The Bears had plenty of points inside, driving the lane, and doing what they needed to do inside.  I would not agree that Brandeis won the battle inside.  You said that Brandeis could have won in regulation with more control inside.  WashU would have won in regulation if they had shot the season average on free throws.

Wallis had a number of turnovers, but two were tipped out of bounds, and not called (I was right under the basket) for example, and several were just bad passes.  Wallis was defended well, but smothered, not really.

Maybe I should sleep on it and finish my thoughts tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 16, 2010, 01:20:07 AM
Quote from: WUH on January 15, 2010, 11:58:45 PM

The Bears had plenty of points inside, driving the lane, and doing what they needed to do inside.  I would not agree that Brandeis won the battle inside.  You said that Brandeis could have won in regulation with more control inside.  WashU would have won in regulation if they had shot the season average on free throws.

Wallis had a number of turnovers, but two were tipped out of bounds, and not called (I was right under the basket) for example, and several were just bad passes.  Wallis was defended well, but smothered, not really.

First, I didnt say Brandeis won the battle inside, I said WashU should have exploited their advantage inside more than they did.  I also did not say Brandeis would have won in regulation with more control inside, I said that they would have won in regulation if their guards, who drove from the perimeter, would have been able to convert on some of the rather routine layups and 5 foot runners that they missed.

With respect to Wallis, I dont know what you would call it, but he didnt look right.  I was expecting to see a potential POY candidate for all D3 and instead I saw someone who didnt look all that comfortable on either end of the court all night.  On defense he was using his hands alot and was not always able to keep up with the quicker Brandeis guards, resulting in him being in foul trouble in the second half.  Offensively, he didnt seem that comfortable, he tried to force some passes where he shouldnt have.  In terms of scoring, he got off to a hot start, scoring ten in the first half, but Brandeis completely shut him down in the second half and OT.  After the first half he only attempted 1 FG, had 0 points, including 0-2 from the FT line. Its only one game, but this is the first time I watched an entire WashU game all season and I came away a bit disappointed.  They dont seem to have that inside presence this year to take pressure of their guards.  Just from what I saw tonight, they have some apparent weaknesses that good teams will exploit, especially if they have off shooting nights.  Brandeis is a good team, but I dont think they are a top 10 team, and if they can beat WashU on a night where they didnt play all that well themselves (especially on the road),  WashU may not be a top 10 team right now either.  They may get there at some point this season, but they have some things they need to address.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 16, 2010, 01:48:14 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 16, 2010, 01:20:07 AM
First, I didnt say Brandeis won the battle inside, I said WashU should have exploited their advantage inside more than they did.  I also did not say Brandeis would have won in regulation with more control inside, I said that they would have won in regulation if their guards, who drove from the perimeter, would have been able to convert on some of the rather routine layups and 5 foot runners that they missed.

Fine on the first point and I my control inside was in reference to the routine layups comment.  Not sure how one thought became another inside my head, but, well, its been a long week with new student orientation.  I think I better wait until tomorrow before I comment further.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 16, 2010, 01:54:02 AM
Also, thanks for posting details regarding Caleb Knepper in the Top 25 poll thread.  The Bears need a healthy Caleb Knepper and a healthy Zach Kelley--playing his second game back after weeks away--to do well in the postseason.

Also, is there any way we could get Tyler Nading back?  No?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 16, 2010, 02:53:26 AM
Quote from: WUH on January 16, 2010, 01:54:02 AM
Also, thanks for posting details regarding Caleb Knepper in the Top 25 poll thread.  The Bears need a healthy Caleb Knepper and a healthy Zach Kelley--playing his second game back after weeks away--to do well in the postseason.

Also, is there any way we could get Tyler Nading back?  No?

Maybe Ruths has a year of eligibility we didnt know about?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 16, 2010, 08:28:54 AM
That was a brutal game to watch. The free throw shooting woes seemed to spread through the team like a virus.  The Bears certainly have bigger question marks, on both ends of the floor, than they have had to deal with in the past few years.  I trust Coach Edwards and crew to make adjustments and get and or keep the Bears on track.  The UAA like so many other leagues is a league you need to take care of business at home and the Bears let one slip away.  Credit to Brandeis for dictating tempo and forcing the Bears to play from behind for most of the night.  Go Bears!   
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 16, 2010, 12:10:23 PM
The Bears will get it together. A 3 pt OT loss when you go 10-22 from the line to a top 20 team is a bummer, but by no means an indicator of how the team's season will go. Wash.U went absolutely cold all night and still managed to keep it close. Plus, ZK is not at 100 percent yet and Knepper was out. Also, Deis plays Wash.U. well in St. Louis. Two years ago, they handed Wash.U. a 2 point loss in late February in front of 2000+. Last night, Wash.U was sans its usual home court advantage since very few students were back from break. I'm disappointed, but people tend to forget that Wash.U., even in its last 2 title runs, has never been a dominant, blow you out of the gym type of team. Generally, they pull out a lot of close games with clutch play down the stretch and last night was the first time I can remember since the Deis game in 2008 where they didn't pull it out. Things happen. They'll be fine.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 16, 2010, 03:55:34 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 16, 2010, 12:10:23 PM
The Bears will get it together. A 3 pt OT loss when you go 10-22 from the line to a top 20 team is a bummer, but by no means an indicator of how the team's season will go.

I am bitter, but positive enough that I agree completely.  It seems so long ago, but the 2007-2008 national championship team dropped 6 or 7 games, including a few when they were favored.

Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 16, 2010, 12:10:23 PM
Generally, they pull out a lot of close games with clutch play down the stretch and last night was the first time I can remember since the Deis game in 2008 where they didn't pull it out.

The last time was last year against Rochester at home.  If I remember correctly (and my memory fades quickly) Rochester had its best three point shooting performance of the season.  The Bears played tough and had a chance to win it but could not pull out the win in the end.

I am going to make a bold prediction: Washington University over a talented NYU squad on Sunday and a victory over Brandeis in Taxachussets.  [Well intentioned, light hearted trash talk and nothing more]
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bobcat10 on January 16, 2010, 11:26:52 PM
I am going to make a bold prediction: Washington University over a talented NYU squad on Sunday and a victory over Brandeis in Taxachussets.  [Well intentioned, light hearted trash talk and nothing more]

All that NYU talent will be wasted by THE WORST COACH IN AMERICA AND POSSIBLY THE UNIVERSE aka the one and only Joe Nesci. Never have seen a coach waste so many good players by over coaching with the worst offensive scheme ever. Teams don't even play defense against NYU, they literally just defend spots and render NYU's offense useless, all NYU can do is rain deep threes and hope that they are hitting that night. Nesci has his best team since 05-07 when he possibly had the best D3 team in the country in 06-07 and managed to not make the tourney. NYU should be ashamed that they have allowed him to collect meaningless wins vs. terrible schools in order to pay for his children's tuition. I feel awful for his players; I've never seen a team that was not allowed to run fast breaks or team that was forced to run the same antiquated offense/plays. You would think that the AD would see the futility in Neck's coaching style and would either fire him or talk to him about maximizing potential. NYU could potentially be a D3 powerhouse... the allure of the school, the reputation of the education, and the plethora of basketball talent located in/around NYC should add up to repeated success ala Janice Quinn and the women's program. Instead Nesci produces annual appearances in the ECAC's, which end up in losses to terrible CUNY of NJAC schools. Nesci should be ashamed of himself, and the NYU AD should equally be ashamed.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 16, 2010, 11:53:35 PM
Quote from: bobcat10 on January 16, 2010, 11:26:52 PM
I am going to make a bold prediction: Washington University over a talented NYU squad on Sunday and a victory over Brandeis in Taxachussets.  [Well intentioned, light hearted trash talk and nothing more]

All that NYU talent will be wasted by THE WORST COACH IN AMERICA AND POSSIBLY THE UNIVERSE aka the one and only Joe Nesci. Never have seen a coach waste so many good players by over coaching with the worst offensive scheme ever. Teams don't even play defense against NYU, they literally just defend spots and render NYU's offense useless, all NYU can do is rain deep threes and hope that they are hitting that night. Nesci has his best team since 05-07 when he possibly had the best D3 team in the country in 06-07 and managed to not make the tourney. NYU should be ashamed that they have allowed him to collect meaningless wins vs. terrible schools in order to pay for his children's tuition. I feel awful for his players; I've never seen a team that was not allowed to run fast breaks or team that was forced to run the same antiquated offense/plays. You would think that the AD would see the futility in Neck's coaching style and would either fire him or talk to him about maximizing potential. NYU could potentially be a D3 powerhouse... the allure of the school, the reputation of the education, and the plethora of basketball talent located in/around NYC should add up to repeated success ala Janice Quinn and the women's program. Instead Nesci produces annual appearances in the ECAC's, which end up in losses to terrible CUNY of NJAC schools. Nesci should be ashamed of himself, and the NYU AD should equally be ashamed.

WOW!!! That is quite a first post. Perhaps venting a little pent up fustration over a long stretch of time??? Just a guess.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 16, 2010, 11:56:23 PM
Speaking of underperforming teams, CMU squandered several opportunities down the stretch to fall to CWRU 74-70 in UAA play today.  CMU drops to 4-9 and 0-3 in the UAA, all by themselves in last place.

On a brighter note, Rochester won the Wendy's Classic today with a nice win over St. John Fisher.  If not for that loss to Clarkson at home, I am sure Rochester would be ranked pretty high right now in the Top 25.  I think they will pick up some votes in next week's poll with their strong performance this week, however.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bobcat10 on January 17, 2010, 12:10:31 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 16, 2010, 11:53:35 PM
Quote from: bobcat10 on January 16, 2010, 11:26:52 PM
I am going to make a bold prediction: Washington University over a talented NYU squad on Sunday and a victory over Brandeis in Taxachussets.  [Well intentioned, light hearted trash talk and nothing more]

All that NYU talent will be wasted by THE WORST COACH IN AMERICA AND POSSIBLY THE UNIVERSE aka the one and only Joe Nesci. Never have seen a coach waste so many good players by over coaching with the worst offensive scheme ever. Teams don't even play defense against NYU, they literally just defend spots and render NYU's offense useless, all NYU can do is rain deep threes and hope that they are hitting that night. Nesci has his best team since 05-07 when he possibly had the best D3 team in the country in 06-07 and managed to not make the tourney. NYU should be ashamed that they have allowed him to collect meaningless wins vs. terrible schools in order to pay for his children's tuition. I feel awful for his players; I've never seen a team that was not allowed to run fast breaks or team that was forced to run the same antiquated offense/plays. You would think that the AD would see the futility in Neck's coaching style and would either fire him or talk to him about maximizing potential. NYU could potentially be a D3 powerhouse... the allure of the school, the reputation of the education, and the plethora of basketball talent located in/around NYC should add up to repeated success ala Janice Quinn and the women's program. Instead Nesci produces annual appearances in the ECAC's, which end up in losses to terrible CUNY of NJAC schools. Nesci should be ashamed of himself, and the NYU AD should equally be ashamed.

WOW!!! That is quite a first post. Perhaps venting a little pent up fustration over a long stretch of time??? Just a guess.


so much furstration. i've watched and repeatedly told myself that even nesci himself will one day realize how awful he is but that day has not come. im going to lobby for a new head coach. i don't know where to believe but change is necessary and eventually it will happen. i would love to hear dblock's POV on Nesci and his coaching style. i know that he has first hand experience dealing with nesci on a day-to-day basis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 17, 2010, 08:00:28 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 16, 2010, 11:56:23 PM
Speaking of underperforming teams, CMU squandered several opportunities down the stretch to fall to CWRU 74-70 in UAA play today.  CMU drops to 4-9 and 0-3 in the UAA, all by themselves in last place.

On a brighter note, Rochester won the Wendy's Classic today with a nice win over St. John Fisher.  If not for that loss to Clarkson at home, I am sure Rochester would be ranked pretty high right now in the Top 25.  I think they will pick up some votes in next week's poll with their strong performance this week, however.

The Clarkson loss was bad, but the loss to RIT was worse.  Only defense  I guess is that they are very young with 8 new players this year so there may be some inconsistency.  Moncrief was selected MVP and is the first freshman in the 44 year history of the tournament to be so chosen. I think Moncrief is actually an academic soph who was a DI track guy out west. Also have to wonder about the legs of the freshman PG by the end of the season.  Kid has logged 100+ more minutes than anyone else on the team and historically Neer shortens his rotation in league play so it's not likely that will change.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2010, 11:28:08 AM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 17, 2010, 08:00:28 AM
The Clarkson loss was bad, but the loss to RIT was worse.  Only defense  I guess is that they are very young with 8 new players this year so there may be some inconsistency. 

You did not reference the loss in Hyde Park as a bad loss and I have to agree.  I am convinced that Chicago is much better than the 7-6 record would suggest.  This based on watching them play twice, so you guys probably know much better than I.

Headed to the Field House today.  Tip off in 90 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 17, 2010, 12:56:10 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 17, 2010, 11:28:08 AM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 17, 2010, 08:00:28 AM
The Clarkson loss was bad, but the loss to RIT was worse.  Only defense  I guess is that they are very young with 8 new players this year so there may be some inconsistency. 

You did not reference the loss in Hyde Park as a bad loss and I have to agree.  I am convinced that Chicago is much better than the 7-6 record would suggest.  This based on watching them play twice, so you guys probably know much better than I.

Headed to the Field House today.  Tip off in 90 minutes.

The only reason I didn't mention it is because UofR didn't lose to Chicago.  Haven't played them yet actually. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 17, 2010, 01:21:53 PM
NYU up on WashU 18-17, 8 minutes left in the first.  When was the last time WashU was swept over a conference weekend?  Still a lot of time, but just curious.  Has it ever happened?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 17, 2010, 01:42:42 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 17, 2010, 01:21:53 PM
NYU up on WashU 18-17, 8 minutes left in the first.  When was the last time WashU was swept over a conference weekend?  Still a lot of time, but just curious.  Has it ever happened?

Good question.  It is soooo tough to make some of the roadtrips required in the UAA.  I dont think UR has ever swept the Chicago/WashU trip and I think last year was the first time in a long time they swept the Brandeis/NYU trip.

How long has the Egghead Eight/Nerdy Nine (w/Hopkins) (UAA) been around?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 17, 2010, 02:30:42 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 17, 2010, 01:42:42 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 17, 2010, 01:21:53 PM
NYU up on WashU 18-17, 8 minutes left in the first.  When was the last time WashU was swept over a conference weekend?  Still a lot of time, but just curious.  Has it ever happened?

Good question.  It is soooo tough to make some of the roadtrips required in the UAA.  I dont think UR has ever swept the Chicago/WashU trip and I think last year was the first time in a long time they swept the Brandeis/NYU trip.

How long has the Egghead Eight/Nerdy Nine (w/Hopkins) (UAA) been around?

I think since the late 80s. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 17, 2010, 02:37:57 PM
Brandeis sweeps the WashU/Chicago weekend, which is no easy feat. I remember CMU did in 04-05, but I am not sure if it has been done since.

WashU survives vs. NYU.  NYU had the ball down 3 with 10 second left, but missed the tying 3-pointer.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bobcat10 on January 17, 2010, 02:40:17 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 17, 2010, 02:37:57 PM
Brandeis sweeps the WashU/Chicago weekend, which is no easy feat. I remember CMU did in 04-05, but I am not sure if it has been done since.

WashU survives vs. NYU.  NYU had the ball down 3 with 10 second left, but missed the tying 3-pointer.

my heart ****ing bleeds for those guys. they played their ass off. i feel like nyu will get both home w's this weekend at the coles sportscenter.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 17, 2010, 02:45:13 PM
Free throws were the difference Friday night and today. Tough day for AT.  Wash U needs to get their offensive struggles figured out.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2010, 04:43:22 PM
Good win for Washington University against a talented NYU.

Sean Wallis returned to his All-American ways this afternoon with good play on both sides of the court and 22 points.  And, Spencer Gay played yet another very good game, with 11 points and 9 rebounds.  I love this guy.  His rebounds helped the Bears win the battle of the boards 43-28.

Offensively, Aaron Thompson had the best opportunities from outside that he has seen so far in UAA play, but to no avail.  He shot 0-8 from outside.

Caleb Knepper was back for the Bears playing 8 minutes off the bench.  Averaging 10 points per game, the offense is going to be affected when he is not playing healthy and significant minutes.

Zach Kelly played a tough 22 minutes against the NYU big men.

Great win for the women as well.  The teams go on the road for two weeks of conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2010, 04:52:49 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 17, 2010, 12:56:10 PM
[quote author=WUH link=topic=639.msg1162136#msg1162136 date=1263745688
The only reason I didn't mention it is because UofR didn't lose to Chicago.  Haven't played them yet actually. :)

My mistake.  I thought maybe you were responding to the most recent NYU posts, which, was really what I was responding too.

I will add that I thought NYU looked like a very well coached basketball team today.  It sounds like maybe not everyone agrees with this assessment.

I thought, for example, that NYU moved the ball very well and executed the offensive schemes well, particularly in the first half.  I think we will see some very good games throughout the conference season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gratuitous Violets on January 17, 2010, 11:37:32 PM
I will agree with you, WUH. NYU has looked great in some games this year, including against Brandeis and Wash U., and in those games they've moved the ball very well. I've also seen games where that hasn't been the case, though--in the losses to Chicago and Mount St. Vincent, it seemed to me that they could have done a lot more to get the ball inside. That said, I don't know enough to say whether that's an issue of coaching or execution. All in all, I think the team looks well-coached this season, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them sweep the next home stand. But while I could do without the negativity towards coach Nesci, it's nice to see another enthusiastic NYU fan!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 18, 2010, 12:53:50 PM
Quote from: Gratuitous Violets on January 17, 2010, 11:37:32 PM
...it's nice to see another enthusiastic NYU fan!

I understand that.  The number of regular posters on this thread does not match up to the quality of the conference relative to a lot of other threads.

I love the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on January 18, 2010, 04:14:41 PM
Quote from: Gratuitous Violets on January 17, 2010, 11:37:32 PM
I will agree with you, WUH. NYU has looked great in some games this year, including against Brandeis and Wash U., and in those games they've moved the ball very well. I've also seen games where that hasn't been the case, though--in the losses to Chicago and Mount St. Vincent, it seemed to me that they could have done a lot more to get the ball inside. That said, I don't know enough to say whether that's an issue of coaching or execution. All in all, I think the team looks well-coached this season, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them sweep the next home stand. But while I could do without the negativity towards coach Nesci, it's nice to see another enthusiastic NYU fan!
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@bobcat10 basketball is a tough sport to coach especially in the uaa. i believe that NYU can be a fantastic team once all cylinders start to click. the second half at wash was a beautiful thing, the pgs moving the ball up the court and the team defense. wash u got a few bounces and a few calls and they came away with the win. i think that nyu will break off a run of a few w's but it's all predicated on team defense and HUSTLE. Coach Nesci will hopefully find the right balance of smart and good basketball to pair with his talented team and they will overcome whatever problems they have. as far as my personal experience, i'm not one to divulge team issues on the internet but team issues should probably stay behind closed doors and not on d3hoops messaging boards. the violets will find their way, i can guarantee that. watch out for this freshman class.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 19, 2010, 11:58:50 AM
I am sure I was not the only one who was suprised with the latest rankings.  Brandeis moves up to No. 15 and Washington University drops to No. 4.  Actually, I am not surprised Brandeis moved up.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 19, 2010, 12:50:57 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 19, 2010, 11:58:50 AM
I am sure I was not the only one who was suprised with the latest rankings.  Brandeis moves up to No. 15 and Washington University drops to No. 4.  Actually, I am not surprised Brandeis moved up.

I am not surprised Brandeis moved up but I am surprised that WashU only fell one spot.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bobcat10 on January 19, 2010, 01:41:01 PM
Gratuitous violets- I hate to be the Queen of Negativity, I'm just an alum who loves the Violets and hates to see them lose. As a former player, I can say this much, while not all of my teammates loved Coach Quinn, we all respected her and that is why we won even though we did not always like the way she coached. I just hope Nesci sees that his team is really good and begins to trust them in order for them to return that same trust and respect. During my tenure as a Violet, I saw somethings and heard some things that led me to believe that it was not a matter of execution but instead a matter of respect. I have been away from the team for awhile now and can only watch via webcast or listen to the broadcast. I feel bad for these kids who sacrifice a huge portion of their college lives to play basketball, only to be disappointed in their decision afterwards. I can say that I do not regret playing basketball in college, I cannot say that my friends who played for coach nesci can say the same.

Dblock- I was hoping for a little insider info but I respect you for not feeding my anger. I guess that's why I stay away from posting on the women's board about Stefano and the girls team.

Regardless of how upset I may be about the current state of my alma mater's athletic department... GO VIOLETS!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 19, 2010, 03:39:28 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 19, 2010, 12:50:57 PM
I am not surprised Brandeis moved up but I am surprised that WashU only fell one spot.

That is what I said.  In the Top 25 board, you referred to yourself as a voter.  Are you actually involved in the rankings process as an actual voter?

As a voter, if you have a minute and are interested in answering, where would you have Washington University and Brandeis and why?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 19, 2010, 04:34:03 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 19, 2010, 03:39:28 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 19, 2010, 12:50:57 PM
I am not surprised Brandeis moved up but I am surprised that WashU only fell one spot.

That is what I said.  In the Top 25 board, you referred to yourself as a voter.  Are you actually involved in the rankings process as an actual voter?

As a voter, if you have a minute and are interested in answering, where would you have Washington University and Brandeis and why?

I actually didnt refer to myself as a voter, I was asking Gordan Mann (whom I quoted in my post) what his thoughts were, as a voter.  Gordon Mann is a voter out of the Mid-Atlantic or Atlantic regions, he has been on Hoopsville, etc., that is how I know he is a voter.  There are only 4 (of the 25) voters that I know for sure that have made themselves public (Mann, Dave McHugh, Bob Quilman, and Pat Coleman).  I am in no way affiliated with d3hoops or any of their voting process.

I am involved with the posters poll, and I had WashU #8, but that is far from official.  I am quite familiar with WashU, and all the UAA schools for that matter, as I played in the UAA from 2001-05.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 19, 2010, 04:56:50 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 19, 2010, 04:34:03 PM
I am involved with the posters poll, and I had WashU #8, but that is far from official.  I am quite familiar with WashU, and all the UAA schools for that matter, as I played in the UAA from 2001-05.

I apologize.  I tend to read things quickly (and even more quickly at work).  I probably should not have asked anyway.

I really only wanted to know where you would rank Washington University and Brandeis because you clearly know a lot about the conference.  And, now I understand why.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 19, 2010, 05:55:17 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 19, 2010, 04:56:50 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 19, 2010, 04:34:03 PM
I am involved with the posters poll, and I had WashU #8, but that is far from official.  I am quite familiar with WashU, and all the UAA schools for that matter, as I played in the UAA from 2001-05.

I apologize.  I tend to read things quickly (and even more quickly at work).  I probably should not have asked anyway.

I really only wanted to know where you would rank Washington University and Brandeis because you clearly know a lot about the conference.  And, now I understand why.

I had Brandeis 17.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 19, 2010, 09:37:17 PM
Looks like CMU lost to Marietta on a buzzer beater tonight, dropping CMU to 4-10.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2010, 09:56:27 PM
A lot of other teams lost last week, too.

I found it more interesting that the teams got really consolidated -- No. 26 had a vote totals in the 30s.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 19, 2010, 10:02:52 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2010, 09:56:27 PM
A lot of other teams lost last week, too.

I found it more interesting that the teams got really consolidated -- No. 26 had a vote totals in the 30s.

I found that interesting as well, the ORV list is real short, only 28 teams receiving 10 points or more.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 20, 2010, 10:25:00 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 19, 2010, 09:37:17 PM
Looks like CMU lost to Marietta on a buzzer beater tonight, dropping CMU to 4-10.

That makes for seven straight losses. 

With all due respect to Carnegie Mellon and Case Western, I am sure that both Washington University and Chicago are happy to play their first pair of UAA road games in Pittsburgh and Cleveland.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 20, 2010, 11:54:49 AM
Those are my favorite two games of the year, just under a 3 hour drive and about  a 4.5 hour drive.  Double bonus of getting to see our son, a Case student, on Friday night as well. It bugs me that he doesn't make much of an effort to catch the Spartans.  He has attended a swimming and diving meet to root for a friend who is on the Case team.  Go Bears! (also go Beavers! Can Bluffton get their first win of the season against Defiance??)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 21, 2010, 06:54:01 PM
VIDEO

It looks like the Washington University and Chicago road games will be available through live video as they take on Case Western and Carnegie Mellon.

Case Western Live Video
http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/broadcast/index.htm

Carnegie Mellon Live Video
http://www.cmu.edu/athletics/fanzone/video/webcast.html

Emory and Rochester travel to NYU and Brandeis and while NYU has live video feed, I am not sure that Brandeis does.  Here is the link for the live video: http://www.gonyuathletics.com/index.aspx

PLAYERS OF THE WEEK

I am not planning to comment on the players of the week every week, but I did notice that Tyrone Hughes of Brandeis and Andy Stein of New York.  I watched them both play over the weekend and I am not surprised at all that they were selected.  And, they are only sophomores.

UAA STANDINGS

2009-10 UAA Standings
School UAA Pct. Overall Pct.
1. Rochester 3-0 1.000 12-2 .857
2. Washington U. 2-1 .667 12-2 .857
3. Brandeis 2-1 .667 11-2 .846
4. Emory 2-1 .667 10-4 .714
5. New York 1-2 .333 10-4 .714
6. Case Western Reserve 1-2 .333 9-5 .643
6. Chicago 1-2 .500 7-7 .500
8. Carnegie Mellon 0-3 .000 4-10 .286
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 22, 2010, 09:22:04 PM
The Bears looking...well much like they have the past few games.  Holding on to a 51-49 lead versus Case Western.  The Spartans with a good chance to tie and now the Bears go up by five.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 22, 2010, 09:32:59 PM
Brandeis looks ready to knock of Rochester.  7 point lead with 33 seconds left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 22, 2010, 09:54:16 PM
The Bears escape with the win, 66-61 over Case Western.  What can I say?  It is getting harder and harder to watch this team merely escape with the win.  Not the best offense tonight.  Spencer Gay leads the way with 16 points, including key free throws, and 7 rebounds.  Wallis scores 15 while Thompson scores 13 on 4-17 shooting (1-8 from behind the arc).

I missed much of the game, but from what I did watch, the Bears did not look particularly strong on defense either.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 22, 2010, 11:32:55 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 22, 2010, 09:54:16 PM
The Bears escape with the win, 66-61 over Case Western.  What can I say?  It is getting harder and harder to watch this team merely escape with the win.  Not the best offense tonight.  Spencer Gay leads the way with 16 points, including key free throws, and 7 rebounds.  Wallis scores 15 while Thompson scores 13 on 4-17 shooting (1-8 from behind the arc).

I missed much of the game, but from what I did watch, the Bears did not look particularly strong on defense either.

I watched the whole game, second time I have seen them this season, and again not so impressed.  I dont see how they can beat good teams if they continue to play this way.  10-32 shooting out of your two first-team all-american guards.  Outrebounded. 39% shooting as a team, 26% from 3,  and Case isnt exactly known for their defense. This is not going to get it done against tougher competition. Before I saw them play, I thought they would win 13 games again in conference, but now I could definitely see them going 10-4 or so.  They are now 3-1 in conference, but only +4 ppg in their wins and 3 of those games are at home.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: frodotwo on January 23, 2010, 02:03:43 AM
Perhaps they are playing down to their competition ???
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 23, 2010, 09:32:37 AM
The shooting woes certainly continued last night for the Bears.  It is fair to say that the Bears are in an offensive funk.  The rebounding edge for Case may have been aided by the fact that the Bears big men were saddled with foul trouble most of the night.  The Bears are surviving at this point and will need to get back in the groove soon.  Speaking of funk and groove, hats off to the Shaw High School Pep Band who as at Case on Friday night.  Loud and proud.  What a talented group of musicians and dancers.  They were fun to watch.  Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 23, 2010, 10:23:22 AM
Quote from: frodotwo on January 23, 2010, 02:03:43 AM
Perhaps they are playing down to their competition ???

I don't think that's the case, but if it is it's not a good thing -- and certainly not the way Wash U usually plays against a much less talented opponent.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on January 23, 2010, 10:52:46 AM
senioritis;  been there, done that ; Kelly and Knepper back too soon;   any are possible

These are serious mind games and phsical situations to overcome  -  no class has ever accomplished what this class has...

my hope is that they are saving the excitement, the ultimate inner motivation,  for the end of the season....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 23, 2010, 11:31:23 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 23, 2010, 10:52:46 AM
My hope is that they are saving the excitement, the ultimate inner motivation,  for the end of the season....

Your hope is mine.  And, hopefully, they will play well against Carnegie Mellon because, on paper, this is the easiest game they have left on the season.

Let's see if Kelly and Knepper can get things going on offense.

With the exception of the Transylvania and Brandeis games, the Bears are doing what they need to do to win the close games.  And, even in the Brandeis game, Aaron Thompson, for example, adjusted to the fact that he could not hit from outside, going inside on a number of very pretty baskets.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bobcat10 on January 23, 2010, 03:20:58 PM
Here are my two cents:

Wash is simply not as good as they have been in the past. Wallis will still do what he does but as long as AT struggles to hit three after three, Wash will be exposed this year.

Brandeis is going to be up and down all year but they have the talent to be a good team.

Chicago can play and will be similar to the same team as last year.

Emory is still Emory. Not as talented or gifted but they will beat you if youre team isn't upto the challenge (ala NYU last night).

Havent seen CWRU, Rochester or CMU yet.

As to my Violets, all I can say is that last night's game was terrible. Basic basketball fundementals were simply ignored. If your starting backcourt is 6 Foot 5 in., 6 foot 7 in., and 6 foot 9 in. with Richie Polan coming off the bench at 6 foot 7 in. you do not lose to Anthony Fernandez at 6 foot 3 in. and a Freshman who would be the 13th man on your team. Also if your opponent is a shooting team and all they have shown all game is deep range, you do not go into a 2-3 zone. And when you're in a man to man defense you do not have your junior captain who's coming off an ankle injury guard the best shooter on the other team. Why? Because after 3 passes and 3 screens he's going to eventually struggle keeping up which may or may not lead 2 consecutive 3's and a dramatic shift in the lead. Another thing I didn't understand was why the second most active defender on NYU, Lawrence Borsi, was not played more yesterday. It is evident that when/if the team plays defense, the team wins. So when Borsi who usually struggles to stay on the court due to fouls, is playing great defense, is not in foul trouble AND has 10 points at halftime, you probably should ride the hot hand.

@Gratuitous Violets you said that the team is not executing Coach Nesci's gameplan correctly and that's why they are losing... If you have EVER played basketball, coached basketball, are relatively familiar with how the game is played you would see that this problem is way bigger than the team not executing the Princeton Offense. Something is going on with that team, two players went after the refs leading to a technical foul during garbage time last night. That's something that doesn't happen unless 'street' teams are playing. Last time I checked the UAA had ZERO street teams in the league and we aren't watching Ron Artest play out there. Something is not right and it's a damn shame.

On a lighter and happier note, the NYU women's team surprisingly got a Win on Friday night. Hopefully the NYU men can pull it together and we can get a sweep on Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gratuitous Violets on January 23, 2010, 04:39:14 PM
Quote from: bobcat10 on January 23, 2010, 03:20:58 PM
Here are my two cents:

Wash is simply not as good as they have been in the past. Wallis will still do what he does but as long as AT struggles to hit three after three, Wash will be exposed this year.

Brandeis is going to be up and down all year but they have the talent to be a good team.

Chicago can play and will be similar to the same team as last year.

Emory is still Emory. Not as talented or gifted but they will beat you if youre team isn't upto the challenge (ala NYU last night).

Havent seen CWRU, Rochester or CMU yet.

As to my Violets, all I can say is that last night's game was terrible. Basic basketball fundementals were simply ignored. If your starting backcourt is 6 Foot 5 in., 6 foot 7 in., and 6 foot 9 in. with Richie Polan coming off the bench at 6 foot 7 in. you do not lose to Anthony Fernandez at 6 foot 3 in. and a Freshman who would be the 13th man on your team. Also if your opponent is a shooting team and all they have shown all game is deep range, you do not go into a 2-3 zone. And when you're in a man to man defense you do not have your junior captain who's coming off an ankle injury guard the best shooter on the other team. Why? Because after 3 passes and 3 screens he's going to eventually struggle keeping up which may or may not lead 2 consecutive 3's and a dramatic shift in the lead. Another thing I didn't understand was why the second most active defender on NYU, Lawrence Borsi, was not played more yesterday. It is evident that when/if the team plays defense, the team wins. So when Borsi who usually struggles to stay on the court due to fouls, is playing great defense, is not in foul trouble AND has 10 points at halftime, you probably should ride the hot hand.

@Gratuitous Violets you said that the team is not executing Coach Nesci's gameplan correctly and that's why they are losing... If you have EVER played basketball, coached basketball, are relatively familiar with how the game is played you would see that this problem is way bigger than the team not executing the Princeton Offense. Something is going on with that team, two players went after the refs leading to a technical foul during garbage time last night. That's something that doesn't happen unless 'street' teams are playing. Last time I checked the UAA had ZERO street teams in the league and we aren't watching Ron Artest play out there. Something is not right and it's a damn shame.

On a lighter and happier note, the NYU women's team surprisingly got a Win on Friday night. Hopefully the NYU men can pull it together and we can get a sweep on Sunday.

It's no big deal, but for the record my exact quote was: "I don't know enough to say whether that's an issue of coaching or execution." I wouldn't pretend to know what the issue is in the games where the team looks sloppy, as I have never coached or played organized basketball. I just enjoy watching!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 24, 2010, 01:36:06 PM
WU cruises to 81-60 win, the final margin actually not doing justice to the lopsidedness of this game. It was all Bears for pretty much the bulk of the contest. Especially encouraging was the play of Dylan Richter. The sophomore is really starting to come into his own. Had 15 points on 7 of 9 shooting. AT still not AT, but he didn't have to be. Went 4-8 for 9 points, but hit just 1 of 4 from long range. Wallis led all scorers with 17 on a very efficient 5-9 from the field. He added 5 boards and 4 assists.

Hopefully the critics are silenced for a few days.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 24, 2010, 02:49:27 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on January 24, 2010, 01:36:06 PM
WU cruises to 81-60 win, the final margin actually not doing justice to the lopsidedness of this game. It was all Bears for pretty much the bulk of the contest. Especially encouraging was the play of Dylan Richter. The sophomore is really starting to come into his own.

Hopefully the critics are silenced for a few days.

I agree with everything you said, though this was game we needed to win.  And, win big.  The only other relatively easy win we have left on the schedule is, incidentally, Carnegie Mellon on February 21.

This team may not be as talented as in previous years, but this team clearly has the talent to win the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 24, 2010, 03:01:35 PM
 It looks like Emory knocked off No. 15 Brandeis 77-64 and New York University beat Rochester 78-75.  Anyone care to comment?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gratuitous Violets on January 24, 2010, 03:34:52 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 24, 2010, 03:01:35 PM
It looks like Emory knocked off No. 15 Brandeis 77-64 and New York University beat Rochester 78-75.  Anyone care to comment?

NYU hit threes when they had to, passed well (they racked up plenty of assists), and got the ball inside frequently. They've won most games this season when they've managed to do that, and this was no exception. Keith Jensen sat out the first half because of his technical foul in Friday's loss to Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on January 29, 2010, 07:46:48 AM
Sean Wallis piece from KSDK in St. Louis...

http://www.ksdk.com/sports/story.aspx?storyid=194819&catid=6
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 29, 2010, 12:37:30 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 29, 2010, 07:46:48 AM
Sean Wallis piece from KSDK in St. Louis...

http://www.ksdk.com/sports/story.aspx?storyid=194819&catid=6

Thanks for posting that, Q. KSDK is the only station in St. Louis that pays any attention to the D3 schools. Thanks to sports director Rene Knott for keeping all the schools and all the programs on the radar. They don't just cover hoops and they don't just cover Wash U. It might not be night-in, night-out coverage, but they make sure there is exposure from time to time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 30, 2010, 12:59:08 AM
FRIDAY NIGHT IN THE UAA

Washington University with the win over Rochester, 82-78 on the road, New York edges Carnegie Mellon 59-57, Brandeis blows out Case Western 70-52, and the University of Chicago, who I referred to as one of the best teams to play the Bears this season continues to prove me wrong with a 71-44 loss at Emory.  Washington University will play Emory in Atlanta for first place in the UAA on Sunday.

_____

The Bears won behind a career-high 27 points from superstar Sean Wallis.  And, Dylan Richter is really starting to come alive offensively, and at the right time.  We knew he had it in him.  Aaron Thompson had adjusted his game, going 1-4 from three point range.  The usual solid play from Cameron Smith, Spencer Gay, Alex Toth, and Zach Kelley. 

Unfortunately, Caleb Knepper again played a limited role tonight, scoring two points in 13 minutes of play.  Not to mention the fact that the women fell to Rochester 63-51.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 30, 2010, 05:59:32 AM
The Bears seem to be mixing and matching just enough to keep winning.  A high noon showdown on Sunday in Atlanta looks to be a great game.  Dylan, Spencer and Sean were great.  Go Bears! 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: r-buddy on January 30, 2010, 09:57:37 AM
To this WU fan it appears that opponents are gearing their defenses to stop AT and the Bears have not yet figured out how to cope, though making some progress.  In addition, some aspects of the Bears' play are just not crisp--too many turnovers, sloppy screens, passes that arrive just a fraction late so that the shot is not quite open. When pure athletic skills are fairly well matched it is often the subtle little things that make a difference.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gratuitous Violets on January 30, 2010, 03:57:51 PM
It was nice to see NYU escape with the win on Friday night. Another UAA question, though--is there anyone who has seen Emory play week in and week out? How have they managed such a turnaround this season, and did anyone see it coming?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on January 30, 2010, 03:58:57 PM
Re: WU and their lack of crispness. Two things I'd point to: Tyler Nading's graduation and the departure of assistant coach Tim Whittle. The former had an unbelievable FG percentage and could score from almost anywhere on the floor, making it very difficult for teams to clog the lane on the one hand or overplay the perimeter on the other. The latter, now the head coach at Macalaster, was incredibly good at making sure the Bears executed offensive schemes in a highly precise, almost academic manner. Finally, if the pre-season POY doesn't do what he's expected to do on a regular basis, things will simply not go as well as anticipated. But I'm quite pleased with 15-2 and think the Bears are starting to play quality basketball at the right time. AT will find his stroke, I really believe that. No doubt it's an unusual stretch of play for him, but he'll come around; he's too good not to. Also, with Richter and Gay playing as well as they are and the parity we have around the nation, I think a 3peat is still very much possible. Experience will be a huge help as the season winds down.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on January 31, 2010, 12:55:09 PM
NYU is looking good right now. Ben Dorman (Soph) coming off the bench in this big formation with Becker at PG, Jensen at SG, Dorman at SF , Jaffe at PF and Polan at C. So many different formations that NYU can run. Once Glavan comes back, there are 3 PGs on this team that can play with anyone in the UAA. Stein and Polan are big bodies who can both go off for 18-20 a game. Between Jensen, Dorman and Chip Borsi NYU has 3 SF's that can really change the game Jensen on either end, Dorman on the offensive end and Chip Borsi on defense and behind the arc. I'd love to see the tempo increase and some full court pressure applied once Coach Nesci figures out minute, but I feel like this team is 10 guys deep and can definitely dictate the outcome of every game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 31, 2010, 02:07:15 PM
Washington University takes over first place in the UAA with a 65-56 win over the Emory Eagles.  A good game overall.  The Bears held the Eagles to a season low 56 points.  And, played well enough on offense.

Notable performances include Ross Kelley with 9 points and Dylan Richter with 11 points off the bench.  I like having both Kelley and Wallis in the game, at least for stretches.

The talk on the Top 25 thread will likely focus on the uncharacteristically high 18 turnovers.  Unfortunately, a number of these were unforced.

It is important to note that the Bears had very little trouble with the Emory press.  And, outrebounded the Eagles 42-27.

In regards to the overall discussion about the Bears ability to handle the ball and execute on offense, I do agree with a previous comments about Whittle and Nading.  Nading especially.  I also agree with Coach Edwards when he suggested that the Bears have a target on their back.  Everyone wants to knock off a two-time defending champion.  And, teams are coming in very prepared to do so.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 31, 2010, 03:19:13 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 31, 2010, 02:07:15 PM
Washington University takes over first place in the UAA with a 65-56 win over the Emory Eagles.  A good game overall.  The Bears held the Eagles to a season low 56 points.  And, played well enough on offense.

Notable performances include Ross Kelley with 9 points and Dylan Richter with 11 points off the bench.  I like having both Kelley and Wallis in the game, at least for stretches.

The talk on the Top 25 thread will likely focus on the uncharacteristically high 18 turnovers.  Unfortunately, a number of these were unforced.

It is important to note that the Bears had very little trouble with the Emory press.  And, outrebounded the Eagles 42-27.

In regards to the overall discussion about the Bears ability to handle the ball and execute on offense, I do agree with a previous comments about Whittle and Nading.  Nading especially.  I also agree with Coach Edwards when he suggested that the Bears have a target on their back.  Everyone wants to knock off a two-time defending champion.  And, teams are coming in very prepared to do so.

I didnt get to see the game today, but the result is impressive.  Never easy to win at Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 31, 2010, 04:33:14 PM
SUNDAY AFTERNOON IN THE UAA

In addition to the win by Washington University, Rochester edged Chicago 76-75 in overtime in what was clearly the most exciting game of the day while Brandeis ran all over Carnegie Mellon at home.  New York survived a Case Western rally (and a 20 minute fire alarm break) to win 78-72.

Up next: Washington University, Chicago, Carnegie Mellon, and Case Western Reserve host Rochester, Emory, New York and Brandeis.

Washington University will honor the Division III National Championship Volleyball Team on Sunday.  I have to wonder: is it a coincidence that they chose the Emory game to honor the volleyball team?  I am thinking no.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2010, 10:50:59 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 29, 2010, 12:37:30 PM
Thanks to sports director Rene Knott for keeping all the schools and all the programs on the radar.

Dunno -- Rene Knott didn't really do squat for the D3 schools in Washington, D.C., when he was there.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 01, 2010, 05:06:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2010, 10:50:59 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 29, 2010, 12:37:30 PM
Thanks to sports director Rene Knott for keeping all the schools and all the programs on the radar.

Dunno -- Rene Knott didn't really do squat for the D3 schools in Washington, D.C., when he was there.

Its all relative, I guess.  The St. Louis-area media could do much better.  The St. Louis Post Dispatch is probably the worst.  You have to win a National Championship (Washington University), hire a high profile coach (Lindenwood) or set a coaching record (McKendree) to really get good local coverage.

I get all my Washington University athletics related news from Student Life, the University newspaper that provides Division I level coverage to our Division III level sports teams. 

I mention Student Life and Division I because I found this editorial in the award winning newspaper this morning: http://www.studlife.com/forum/2010/02/01/why-washington-university-should-consider-starting-a-division-i-basketball-program/

I feel like I read the same editorial every few years.  These always make me laugh.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 01, 2010, 05:30:36 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 01, 2010, 05:06:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2010, 10:50:59 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 29, 2010, 12:37:30 PM
Thanks to sports director Rene Knott for keeping all the schools and all the programs on the radar.

Dunno -- Rene Knott didn't really do squat for the D3 schools in Washington, D.C., when he was there.

Its all relative, I guess.  The St. Louis-area media could do much better.  The St. Louis Post Dispatch is probably the worst.  You have to win a National Championship (Washington University), hire a high profile coach (Lindenwood) or set a coaching record (McKendree) to really get good local coverage.

I get all my Washington University athletics related news from Student Life, the University newspaper that provides Division I level coverage to our Division III level sports teams. 

I mention Student Life and Division I because I found this editorial in the award winning newspaper this morning: http://www.studlife.com/forum/2010/02/01/why-washington-university-should-consider-starting-a-division-i-basketball-program/

I feel like I read the same editorial every few years.  These always make me laugh.

They are quite amusing.  Here is a similar article from 1996 calling for the same thing at MIT:

http://tech.mit.edu/V116/N32/basketball.32s.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 01, 2010, 06:18:35 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 01, 2010, 05:30:36 PM
They are quite amusing.  Here is a similar article from 1996 calling for the same thing at MIT:

http://tech.mit.edu/V116/N32/basketball.32s.html

You made my day with this one, thanks to one paragraph from the editorial:

The potential revenues generated by a premier college basketball team are mind-boggling. Including ticket sales, concessions, television broadcasts, athletic apparel endorsements, and conference kickbacks, the Institute would stand to reap millions of dollars, money that can be directly funneled into research, scholarships, and a well-deserved raise for the president (it couldn't hurt). Nike, Reebok, and Fila would all love to claim that the smartest students in the world wear their shoes. Champion could start a "Not Just for Jocks" campaign featuring super-nerd and former Provost Mark S. Wrighton in a hooded sweatshirt and kneepads. MIT will never again be confused with the Montana Institute of Trucking.

I love it for two reasons.  First, the expectation that MIT would field a premier team with mind-boggling revenues.  The Washington University editorial probably says something similar.  And, second, the reference to Provost Wrighton, who is, of course, our Chancellor.

There is one thing the MIT editorial has that our lacks: an honest acknowledgement of our substandard facilities along with a solution to pay for the upgrades.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: r-buddy on February 01, 2010, 09:25:54 PM
The Student Life editorial is unusually ill informed and naive.  It does not mention the positives that are found in D3 sports, among other things mentioned by other posters, and makes me wonder if the writer has attended a WU game recently.  There are good reasons why D3 is the largest division in the NCAA.  Most D1 sports programs are not worth emulating.  The editorial makes me laugh but then makes me cry.  Strangely, students today must be just like we were. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 01, 2010, 09:50:08 PM
My conclusion was much simpler: this person obviously has no idea what they are talking about.  This person has no idea about: 1) college basketball in general, 2) the immense cost of paying scholarships for twelve guys (~600K a year + living expenses, food, etc.) and improving facilities to a D1 level, 3) the recruiting process, 4) the student-athlete focus of these teams, 5) the cost of losing a ton of games to your fan base (you could make some money by scheduling some teams with guarantees, but who wants to follow a bad team even if they just moved up to D1), etc. etc.  I hope these things were written sarcastically, because most of this stuff is just so ridiculous it is funny.

In defense of the MIT article, it was written nearly 15 years ago and I havent heard anything remotely close to that author's sentiment since I have been in the area (about 5 years).  I just stumbled upon that article with a random google search, for all I know it was a joke.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 03, 2010, 12:44:50 PM
NERD FACTOR

The UAA released its latest all-academic recognition list.  In Men's Basketball, Carnegie Mellon had the most players on the list with seven, while Chicago and Washington University tied for second with six players each on the list.  Go Tartans!

In Women's Basketball, Emory and Washington University tied for first place with seven players each on the list.

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/09-10%20UAA%20Winter%20A-A%20Release.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 03, 2010, 04:26:03 PM
Regional rankings for Feb 3 have been released by the NCAA and can be found by going to the D3Hoops.com front page and clicking on the respective links.

UAA teams regionally ranked this week--

Wash U-- #1 in Midwest
Brandeis-- #5 in Northeast
NYU-- #3 in East
Rochester-- #5 in East

Emory is not regionally ranked.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 04, 2010, 05:13:33 PM
It looks like we have a battle of two regionally ranked teams as Rochester visits the Washington University Field House tomorrow.  This is the 2000th game played by the Men's Basketball program here.  And, this happens to be against the only team to take down Washington University at home last season, so the Bears have an additional motivation to play well.  The number of fans in attendance seems to get larger in the Spring, so I expect the biggest crowd yet.

Emory visits Chicago and Washington University with a chance to bolster their NCAA credentials.

Brandeis and NYU, the other two regionally ranked teams play each other the last weekend of the year.  For this weekend, they travel to Case Western and Carnegie Mellon.

Its getting exciting!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 04, 2010, 10:04:40 PM
Latest Lines for this Friday's UAA action.

Rochester at Wash.U Friday night: Bears -7.5. U/O: 146

Emory at Chicago Friday night: Emory -4.5. U/O: 138

Deis at Case Friday Night: Deis -8.5. O/U: 142

NYU at Carnegie: NYU-8. O/U: 131

Feel free to post faux wagers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: GoJackets! on February 05, 2010, 09:45:13 AM

great article about Wash U @ UR game from yesterday's Democrat and Chronicle.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20100204/SPORTS09/2040327/1007/SPORTS/A-night-at-the-Palestra-with-UR-men-s-basketball


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 05, 2010, 11:04:18 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2010, 10:50:59 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 29, 2010, 12:37:30 PM
Thanks to sports director Rene Knott for keeping all the schools and all the programs on the radar.

Dunno -- Rene Knott didn't really do squat for the D3 schools in Washington, D.C., when he was there.

I guess people can change for the better. I made the post below on the SLIAC site yesterday.

Quote from: y_jack_lok on February 04, 2010, 01:41:56 PM
Another shout out to KSDK Channel 5. Last night on the 10 p.m. sports they showed footage of the following local/area college basketball games: Mizzou v Texas A&M (or was it Tech?), SLU vs St. Bonaventure, SIU-Carbondale vs ???, AND WEBSTER VS GREENVILLE.

I guess I need to watch the 10 p.m. news more often and Channel 5 in particular. Thanks, Rene Knott, for keeping the St. Louis D3 programs on the radar.

Interestingly, the footage showed two plays, one of which was Webster's Reggie Smith hitting the only shot he's made in the only game he's been in for Webster this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: lileyes on February 05, 2010, 10:00:28 PM
Case knocks off Brandeis, 63-61
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 05, 2010, 11:41:00 PM
Washington University completes the season sweep over Rochester with 68-59 win at the Field House.  

The story of the night: Aaron Thompson goes 7-11 from three point range, scoring 29 points in all.  The All American is complete again.  They Bears played well against argueably the most physical team in the UAA.  Both teams battled on both sides of the floor.  Even on rebounds.  

Rochester scored more from three point range, which was the difference last year, but not well enough to win the game.  Washington University could do better guarding the perimeter.  

Great play by Cameron Smith, Caleb Knepper, and of course, Sean Wallis.  In addition to almost perfect guard play, Wallis became only the 11th player in Division III history to surpass the 700 assist mark.

Next up: the Emory Eagles visit on Sunday afternoon after dropping a close one in Chicago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 06, 2010, 12:58:14 AM
What a strange night at the Ratner Center. Chicago could do no wrong in the first half, running out to a 41-20 halftime lead over Emory. And then Chicago could do no right in the second half, as Emory sped up its perimeter ball movement and the Maroons became a step slower and had more trouble fighting through screens than they did in the first half. Sophomore Alex Gulotta was the key sharpshooter who made the comeback happen, as he hit four of five trey attempts in the second half for Emory. The Eagles had the Chicago lead down to single digits at the nine-minute mark, and with 6:51 left they got it down to two points. The Chicago lead would stay at four or below for the duration of the game, save for the last eight-tenths of a second, but miraculously the Eagles never drew even or claimed the lead. Five times Emory would get the lead down to one, and all five times the Maroons would respond. In fact, for the last 4:38 the Chicago lead was either one, two, or three points the whole way. It was positively bizarre.

With nineteen seconds left and Chicago clinging to a 70-68 lead, the Eagles played for the last shot and got the ball into Dan Curtin's hands. He drove the left side of the lane, but the six-foot Curtin forced a layup against three taller Maroons defenders that had no chance of going in. Chicago's Tom Williams, who led all scorers with 21 points and 13 rebounds and was terrific all night long, hauled in the carom and was fouled by Gulotta with only that 0.8 left on the clock. Curtin apparently felt that he had been mugged on the layup attempt, as he muttered something that got him T'd up. The game was pretty much over at that point anyway, as for all intents and purposes it would take a major miracle for a 72% free-throw shooter to miss a pair and then watch as an opposing player scooped up the rebound and heaved a ninety-footer into the basket at the other end of the floor in a single motion of his arm. Williams made three of the four FTs (two for the Gulotta foul, two for the Curtin technical), and the Maroons walked off the floor with a 73-68 win that felt oddly unsatisfying, given how badly they had played in the second half.

The officiating was horrendous, but at least it was horrendous both ways. In a sense, it made an already entertaining game even more interesting as I sat there and wondered what call the crew would botch next.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 07, 2010, 12:10:00 AM
I dont know whats up with CMU, but they are playing like they dont want to win.  They had ample opportunities to break their 11 game losing streak last night, but instead they went 3-12 from the FT line for the game, including 0-4 in the final minute, to lose to NYU by 1, 59-58.  This is the second time in the past week in which they fell apart at the end of the game to lose to NYU.  Last weekend, they didnt score in the final 3 minutes of the game to lose 59-57.  CMU is now 4-15 and has lost 12 in a row.  After steadily improving/being pretty good for the past 9 seasons, CMU has fallen back into the pits of the UAA.  They are on pace to have their worst record since 1999-2000 (when they were 3-22).  Tough season for the Tartans.  Last time they had a record like this, it took 5 seasons to get the team turned around and into a top UAA team.  Hopefully the turnaround wont take as long this time around.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on February 07, 2010, 01:03:36 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 07, 2010, 12:10:00 AM
I dont know whats up with CMU, but they are playing like they dont want to win.  They had ample opportunities to break their 11 game winning streak last night, but instead they went 3-12 from the FT line for the game, including 0-4 in the final minute, to lose to NYU by 1, 59-58.  This is the second time in the past week in which they fell apart at the end of the game to lose to NYU.  Last weekend, they didnt score in the final 3 minutes of the game to lose 59-57.  CMU is now 4-15 and has lost 12 in a row.  After steadily improving/being pretty good for the past 9 seasons, CMU has fallen back into the pits of the UAA.  They are on pace to have their worst record since 1999-2000 (when they were 3-22).  Tough season for the Tartans.  Last time they had a record like this, it took 5 seasons to get the team turned around and into a top UAA team.  Hopefully the turnaround wont take as long this time around.

I bet they wish they had an 11 game winning streak going into the NYU game ;) ;D Wishful thinking by an alum no doubt! :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 07, 2010, 01:06:15 AM
Quote from: magicman on February 07, 2010, 01:03:36 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 07, 2010, 12:10:00 AM
I dont know whats up with CMU, but they are playing like they dont want to win.  They had ample opportunities to break their 11 game winning streak last night, but instead they went 3-12 from the FT line for the game, including 0-4 in the final minute, to lose to NYU by 1, 59-58.  This is the second time in the past week in which they fell apart at the end of the game to lose to NYU.  Last weekend, they didnt score in the final 3 minutes of the game to lose 59-57.  CMU is now 4-15 and has lost 12 in a row.  After steadily improving/being pretty good for the past 9 seasons, CMU has fallen back into the pits of the UAA.  They are on pace to have their worst record since 1999-2000 (when they were 3-22).  Tough season for the Tartans.  Last time they had a record like this, it took 5 seasons to get the team turned around and into a top UAA team.  Hopefully the turnaround wont take as long this time around.

I bet they wish they had an 11 game winning streak going into the NYU game ;) ;D Wishful thinking by an alum no doubt! :D

Magic, you are always there to catch my wishful thinking and slap me with the cold hard truth.

I guess the post doesnt make much sense with that typo in there, I will change it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on February 07, 2010, 01:30:29 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 07, 2010, 01:06:15 AM
Quote from: magicman on February 07, 2010, 01:03:36 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 07, 2010, 12:10:00 AM
I dont know whats up with CMU, but they are playing like they dont want to win.  They had ample opportunities to break their 11 game winning streak last night, but instead they went 3-12 from the FT line for the game, including 0-4 in the final minute, to lose to NYU by 1, 59-58.  This is the second time in the past week in which they fell apart at the end of the game to lose to NYU.  Last weekend, they didnt score in the final 3 minutes of the game to lose 59-57.  CMU is now 4-15 and has lost 12 in a row.  After steadily improving/being pretty good for the past 9 seasons, CMU has fallen back into the pits of the UAA.  They are on pace to have their worst record since 1999-2000 (when they were 3-22).  Tough season for the Tartans.  Last time they had a record like this, it took 5 seasons to get the team turned around and into a top UAA team.  Hopefully the turnaround wont take as long this time around.

I bet they wish they had an 11 game winning streak going into the NYU game ;) ;D Wishful thinking by an alum no doubt! :D

Magic, you are always there to catch my wishful thinking and slap me with the cold hard truth.

I guess the post doesnt make much sense with that typo in there, I will change it.
hugenerd,
You usually don't make mistakes and you've also caught a few of mine but when I saw the 11 game winning streak for CMU remark I thought maybe I'd been in an alternate universe for the past couple of months or possibly teleported to Bizzaro World. No one has ever checked another team's won-lost record any quicker than I did!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 07, 2010, 04:27:52 PM
Good weekend for the Bears! Win over Emory wasn't as close as the final score indicated.  Chicago and Case with two win weekends as well.  Should be and exciting final three weekends.  Bears finish with 3 of 5 on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 07, 2010, 11:46:22 PM
Washington University held a 28 point lead over Emory with eight minutes left in the game, so the final score was not at all a reflection of the overall game.

Congratulations to Cameron Smith for scoring a career high 15 points on 5-5 shooting from three point range.  Spencer Gay also had a big game after struggling a little on Friday.

The two game lead over Brandeis in the UAA gives the Bears control of their UAA destiny.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 08, 2010, 12:53:42 AM
Quote from: magicman on February 07, 2010, 01:30:29 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 07, 2010, 01:06:15 AM
Quote from: magicman on February 07, 2010, 01:03:36 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 07, 2010, 12:10:00 AM
I dont know whats up with CMU, but they are playing like they dont want to win.  They had ample opportunities to break their 11 game winning streak last night, but instead they went 3-12 from the FT line for the game, including 0-4 in the final minute, to lose to NYU by 1, 59-58.  This is the second time in the past week in which they fell apart at the end of the game to lose to NYU.  Last weekend, they didnt score in the final 3 minutes of the game to lose 59-57.  CMU is now 4-15 and has lost 12 in a row.  After steadily improving/being pretty good for the past 9 seasons, CMU has fallen back into the pits of the UAA.  They are on pace to have their worst record since 1999-2000 (when they were 3-22).  Tough season for the Tartans.  Last time they had a record like this, it took 5 seasons to get the team turned around and into a top UAA team.  Hopefully the turnaround wont take as long this time around.

I bet they wish they had an 11 game winning streak going into the NYU game ;) ;D Wishful thinking by an alum no doubt! :D

Magic, you are always there to catch my wishful thinking and slap me with the cold hard truth.

I guess the post doesnt make much sense with that typo in there, I will change it.
hugenerd,
You usually don't make mistakes and you've also caught a few of mine but when I saw the 11 game winning streak for CMU remark I thought maybe I'd been in an alternate universe for the past couple of months or possibly teleported to Bizzaro World. No one has ever checked another team's won-lost record any quicker than I did!

I wasnt upset or anything, just joking around.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 08, 2010, 01:17:06 AM
Quote from: WUH on February 07, 2010, 11:46:22 PM
Washington University held a 28 point lead over Emory with eight minutes left in the game, so the final score was not at all a reflection of the overall game.

Congratulations to Cameron Smith for scoring a career high 15 points on 5-5 shooting from three point range.  Spencer Gay also had a big game after struggling a little on Friday.

The two game lead over Brandeis in the UAA gives the Bears control of their UAA destiny.

Yes, the two point loss to Case takes away Brandeis' ability to take charge of the division with a win on Friday, not that it wouldn't be nice to have anyway .....Case's win today as well wraps up a good weekend for them, so kudos are merited.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 08, 2010, 10:51:36 AM
Quote from: howardjp on February 08, 2010, 01:17:06 AM
Yes, the two point loss to Case takes away Brandeis' ability to take charge of the division with a win on Friday, not that it wouldn't be nice to have anyway.

If you have ever read my posts before, you would know that I am prone to hyperbole.  As a fan, I am just trying to make the most of this season because of what was lose to graduation this year.

The Bears would likely wrap up the UAA with wins on the road against Brandeis and then New York or Chicago.  A Brandeis win on Friday would make things interesting for sure.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 08, 2010, 06:56:30 PM
For those of you who might be interested in the Trials and Tribulations of junior Spencer Gay who, after two years of very limited actions, has become essential to the Bears starting line-up.

The article references Tyler Nading several times and Gay suggests that there is no way he can "replace him" and that is probably true, but I do think there are a lot of similiarities.

http://www.studlife.com/sports/2010/02/08/the-trials-and-tribulations-of-spencer-gay/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: r-buddy on February 08, 2010, 09:58:56 PM
Nice article.  No question that Spencer has made a significant contribution this year and he continues to improve.  He and Caleb Knepper bring somewhat different skills and the combination adds flexibility as well. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on February 09, 2010, 09:24:57 AM
After a very lean recruiting haul this year and some guys who transferred out, Brandeis has rebounded in big way, UAA folks may be interested to hear.  They already have three promising recruits in the fold, including one who sounds like he has some serious upside (top ranked recruit in R.I.).  Given that they only have six non-seniors on the roster, I'd imagine that they are far from done:

http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/1237/Dascy-Takes-Road-Less-Traveled.php

the other two:

http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/1221/Pomfret-Duo-off-the-Board.php
http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/recruits/player/447/Derek-Retos.php

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 09, 2010, 06:03:20 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 08, 2010, 10:51:36 AM
Quote from: howardjp on February 08, 2010, 01:17:06 AM
Yes, the two point loss to Case takes away Brandeis' ability to take charge of the division with a win on Friday, not that it wouldn't be nice to have anyway.

If you have ever read my posts before, you would know that I am prone to hyperbole.  As a fan, I am just trying to make the most of this season because of what was lose to graduation this year.

The Bears would likely wrap up the UAA with wins on the road against Brandeis and then New York or Chicago.  A Brandeis win on Friday would make things interesting for sure.


Hardly hyperbole, my friend, tis the truth. The Case loss did make things harder for the Conference title.

Anyway, a little non-conference action tonight with Amherst tonight as an appetizer ....

(modified by GS for formatting)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 09, 2010, 06:52:11 PM
Quote from: nescac1 on February 09, 2010, 09:24:57 AM
After a very lean recruiting haul this year and some guys who transferred out, Brandeis has rebounded in big way, UAA folks may be interested to hear.  They already have three promising recruits in the fold, including one who sounds like he has some serious upside (top ranked recruit in R.I.).  Given that they only have six non-seniors on the roster, I'd imagine that they are far from done:

http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/1237/Dascy-Takes-Road-Less-Traveled.php

the other two:

http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/1221/Pomfret-Duo-off-the-Board.php
http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/recruits/player/447/Derek-Retos.php



There is a 4th player listed for Brandeis also:

http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/recruits/player/1238/Alex-Stoyle.php
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 12, 2010, 09:36:32 PM
Wallis and Thompson are playing really well tonight.  They are leading WashU to an apparent win to avenge their earlier loss at home.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 12, 2010, 09:47:30 PM
Wash U wins 92-82 over Brandeis Wallis goes off for 29 and AT supports with 25.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 12, 2010, 09:50:27 PM
Spartans get three straight with an 87-74 win over Rochester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 12, 2010, 10:01:07 PM
A great win for Wash.U tonight. With Chicago losing their 5th conference game tonight, the Bears can wrap up the league title in outright fashion on Sunday with a win at NYU and a Chicago win at Deis. Just a win gives Wash.U. a share of the league title. At 9-1, they have three games on Deis, with 4 to play. Even if WU were to lose 3 more games and Deis finished undefeated in league, they'd finish tied and, since WU's margin of victory tonight was larger than Deis' at WU a month ago, I'm thinking the title would go to WU. That said, I'm not sure of the second tie breaker scenario. But that's the nitty gritty. I'm just looking forward to seeing the Bears take on the Violets in front of a huge Wash.U. following in New York.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 12, 2010, 10:08:04 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 12, 2010, 10:01:07 PM
A great win for Wash.U tonight. With Chicago losing their 5th conference game tonight, the Bears can wrap up the league title in outright fashion on Sunday with a win at NYU and a Chicago win at Deis. Just a win gives Wash.U. a share of the league title. At 9-1, they have three games on Deis, with 4 to play. Even if WU were to lose 3 more games and Deis finished undefeated in league, they'd finish tied and, since WU's margin of victory tonight was larger than Deis' at WU a month ago, I'm thinking the title would go to WU. That said, I'm not sure of the second tie breaker scenario. But that's the nitty gritty. I'm just looking forward to seeing the Bears take on the Violets in front of a huge Wash.U. following in New York.

Thats two good games in a row for Thompson after a 2.5 month slump, maybe he is turning things around which would obviously make WashU a much better team.

By the way, point differential is never a tiebreaker in basketball.  This isn't soccer.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 12, 2010, 10:19:25 PM
Full tiebreaking procedures are here:

http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Administrative/Code_of_Conduct/Basketball.pdf

After head to head, it would be the best record against the 3rd best team, then 4th team...etc.

Obviously there is going to be no need for a tiebreaker this year, but just for your reference.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on February 12, 2010, 10:40:42 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 12, 2010, 10:08:04 PM
Thats two good games in a row for Thompson after a 2.5 month slump, maybe he is turning things around which would obviously make WashU a much better team.
Aaron Thompson career 3-point shooting:

Freshman: 56-147 (.381)
Sophomore: 68-155 (.439)
Junior: 96-205 (.468)


Did you expect him to keep struggling from beyond the arc?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 13, 2010, 06:16:25 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on February 12, 2010, 10:40:42 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 12, 2010, 10:08:04 PM
Thats two good games in a row for Thompson after a 2.5 month slump, maybe he is turning things around which would obviously make WashU a much better team.
Aaron Thompson career 3-point shooting:

Freshman: 56-147 (.381)
Sophomore: 68-155 (.439)
Junior: 96-205 (.468)


Did you expect him to keep struggling from beyond the arc?


When your team loses a huge offensive threat each of the last two seasons, defenses get to concentrate on you a lot more. 

Before last weekend (he had a huge game against Rochester, then an off night against Emory, and then a huge game against Brandeis), he was shooting just 31.6% from 3 for the year (37-117). According to your stats, that is the worst he has shot his entire career, and why would I all-of-a-sudden assume he would snap out of it after struggling for 2 months.  It is great for WashU if he gets it going, but it does not seem too absurd to me to think he would struggle given his play this season, especially in the games since around mid-December. 

To answer your question, it is not that expected him to continue to struggle, it is that he was not been playing like "himself" the last 11 games (prior to last weekend) in terms of shooting and, therefore, after repeated below-expected performances, that yes maybe he is not, for whatever reason, the player he was the first 7 games of this year and earlier.  If he returns to the form of the last two years (and the first 7 games this year), that is great for WashU and the UAA, but the way your rhetorical question is worded makes it seem like he has just been off for a game or two, when in fact this is not the case.  All of his shooting percentages are down (FG, 3FG, and FT) from last year.  In fact, if you just look at the 11 games between December 13 and February 4, he scored 137 points in those 11 games, or just over 12 ppg, while shooting 49-125 from the field (39%) and 15-64 from 3 (23%). In fact, in the 6 games before last weekend (Jan. 10 - Jan. 31), he shot only 25-75 from the field (33%) and 5-38 from 3 (13%).  Therefore, it seemed like more than just like a small slump, but a real problem for WashU.  The other 10 games of the season (the first 7 and the last 3), he has averaged just under 22 ppg. As I have said on numerous times, WashU is a much better team with him playing like we all expect, and I hope he gets it going, but as things were, the team looked vulnerable and he wasnt playing well.  I dont have any ill-feelings toward WashU at all, you can ask Ypsi that I argued with him to great length about the strength of the UAA in the preseason (and I played in the UAA not so long ago).  I was merely giving my opinion based on recent observations and results.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 14, 2010, 11:20:59 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 13, 2010, 06:16:25 PM
When your team loses a huge offensive threat each of the last two seasons, defenses get to concentrate on you a lot more.  

The interesting thing about Aaron Thompson, in my opinion, is that many of his best offensive performances have come against the best defenses.  Wheaton, for example, did a remarkable job keeping a hand in his face.  On the other hand, he had many more open looks against New York at home, and Emory on the road, two of his worst three point shooting performances.

Thompson will be essential to a deep run in the tournament, whether he scores from outside or not, as he can defend as well as anyone I have seen this year and can do Tyler Nading-esque damage inside (just ask Chicago or Illinois Weslyan).  My prediction is that this team, regardless of how far they go in the tournament, will prove that they are deeper than you seem willing to admit.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 14, 2010, 11:39:38 AM
Case Western had a big win on Friday over Rochester, 87-74, after a big loss on the road.  Case is enjoying a three game win streak after going 1-6 to start UAA play. 

Brandeis goes for the season sweep over Chicago today at home.  Washington University in a similar situation at New York. 

Carnegie Mellon (4-17, 0-10) is looking for win No. 1 against Rochester at home.  Will the Tartans get a conference win this season?

Tip off in 30 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 14, 2010, 12:59:11 PM
Thompson alert: 6-8 from behind the line, 21 points with 15 minutes left in the game!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bobcat10 on February 14, 2010, 01:26:56 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 14, 2010, 12:59:11 PM
Thompson alert: 6-8 from behind the line, 21 points with 15 minutes left in the game!

kudos to the NYU coaching staff. lets play zone against the best shooter in the country out of halftime. Thompson 3/3 in three consecutive possessions.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 14, 2010, 01:37:08 PM
The Bears win on the road against NYU, 71-63.  Aaron Thompson with yet another great game.  Spencer Gay shoots 16 on (7-9) against the NYU big men, further illustrating my point about the depth of this team.

The WU alumni described by the announcers as a Sea of Red!.  Way to go!  Enjoy the cookies and orange juice.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 14, 2010, 01:42:34 PM
Nice weekend for the Bears.  The Seniors close out their home careers next weekend against Case and Carnegie Mellon.  Case wins again today over Emory.  The Spartans are playing as well as anyone in the league right now and will come to St. Louis with a tremendous amount of confidence feeling that they let one slip away at home last month.  Bears are up by three games in the UAA with three to play.  One win away from securing an outright UAA title. Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 14, 2010, 02:26:38 PM
Carnegie Mellon gets its first UAA win of the season with a 73-64 win over Rochester at home!  Congratulations Carnegie Mellon. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 14, 2010, 03:44:22 PM
Nice win for CMU today, a losing streak like that has to be tough, especially for a team that went to the NCAA tourney last year.  Hope they keep it going the rest of the season and into next year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 14, 2010, 04:38:42 PM
Just back from NYU and a great afternoon of D3 basketball. Today's atmosphere was excellent...if you were one of the literally hundreds of Wash.U fans. Bear friends, family, and LOTS of alumni turned Coles Gym into a legitimate home court advantage for WUSTL, a fact that really shouldn't be understated. Sundays on the road in the UAA are notoriously difficult to get up for if you're the visitor and the chants of "Wash.U home game" and other WU revelry gave the team at least a slight lift today.

As for the game itself...The final score was reasonably close (I believe 8 or 10 points) but after Wash.U's huge run to open the second half, you knew the game was never in doubt. NYU sucks the life out of each and every one of their offensive possessions, regularly taking 25 or 30 seconds off the shot clock and though that strategy keeps them from getting blown out, it also ensures that the chances of a comeback (at least against a team with a terrific transition offense like Wash.U) are highly unlikely. Wash.U. took NYU out of its slow-down offense for the first four of five minutes of the second half and after that, it was clear to anyone watching that the game's ultimate outcome was never really in doubt. In under three minutes, the Bears went on a 13-3 run and with 13 and change to go, Wash.U. led by a comfortable 15. In the first 10:30 of the second half, the Bears put up 30 points. AT hit four 3's in that stretch and the game was over.

DJ Glavin (spelling?) helped NYU in the second half, but Nesci seemed reluctant to push the tempo and almost more content with taking an 8 or 10 point loss than with taking the risk of getting into a run game and trying to make a dent in the lead. On some level, you can't blame him. Who wants to get into a run game against a team that loves nothing more than to push tempo and that has a pair of all Americans in its backcourt? On another level, though, you have to question the tactic. NYU NEEDED a win if it wanted to stay in the Pool C hunt and they have a steady point guard manning the ship. Why not at least try and cut the lead? I don't think anyone in that building really believed NYU had a chance even when they got the lead to 6 with seven plus minutes to play. The Violets continued to slow the tempo and scored nine points for the duration of the game. Nine. And it wasn't as if Wash.U.'s defense was legendarily exceptional. Certainly, the Bears got rebounds and made stops, but by and large, NYU's lack of scoring stemmed from a stagnant offense that would move the ball around and burn clock before attempting shots from 15 or 20 feet out. Just not sure what they were trying to do.

As for Wash.U.: always nice to get an 8 point win against a quality league opponent on the road on Sunday. The Bears played very well today and continue to play their best basketball at the most opportune of times. With AT back at MVP-type form, it's going to be very difficult for teams to defend Wash.U. come tournament time. You can try to zone them, but with AT stroking again, you'll get the same result as NYU did today. You can try to play man, but their offensive sets are so fluid after four years of running them with this core group of guys that it's very difficult to limit their offense. You can try, as Emory did, to run a triangle and 2 on AT and Wallis, but this may prove to be the least effective of all (as Emory found out). Sean and AT had their worst offensive performances of the season and yet Wash.U put together arguably its most dominating performance of the year.

I think people forget how effective a scorer Spencer Gay has become. When Emory triangle and 2'd the Bears, Gay went 7 for 8 and finished with 18 points. Today, he put up 16 on 7 of 9. A triangle and two opens up the passing lanes and enables him to get easy buckets. And lest we forget, the Bears' X factor: Cam Smith. People have overlooked him his whole career because he's always been a 3rd or even fourth offensive option. Triangle and 2 the Bears and Cam hits five 3's. This is a guy who can flat out score and has always produced when necessary, but simply hasn't really had to.

Looking forward to seeing how things shape up. The way to beat the Bears will be to  hope that their big guns are simply not hitting. A superior post player will also give the Wash.U bigs real trouble. The UAA is down this year, so Wash.U. has not had to deal with the issue of a dominant post man (save Hollins on Deis, who did give Wash.U trouble) and that is my primary concern come tournament time. Otherwise, I'm beginning to feel pretty confident, certainly much better than I was 3 or 4 weeks ago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on February 14, 2010, 05:41:15 PM
Marty mentioned Aaron Thompson's 4 three pointers over the 1st 10 minutes of the 2nd half but 3 of those treys came on Wash U's 1st 3 possessions of the 2nd half. The Bears opened the 2nd half with a Thompson 3, NYU misses, another Thompson 3, NYU misses again and a third AT 3, all within the span of 1:45. Turned a 5 point halftime edge into a 14 point Bears' advantage and NYU never recovered. I think Thompson's back and just in time. He led my team to victory last year in the NCAA Tournament Fantasy League and he'll be my 1st pick again this year if i can grab him.   
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gratuitous Violets on February 14, 2010, 07:58:08 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 14, 2010, 04:38:42 PM
Just back from NYU and a great afternoon of D3 basketball. Today's atmosphere was excellent...if you were one of the literally hundreds of Wash.U fans. Bear friends, family, and LOTS of alumni turned Coles Gym into a legitimate home court advantage for WUSTL, a fact that really shouldn't be understated. Sundays on the road in the UAA are notoriously difficult to get up for if you're the visitor and the chants of "Wash.U home game" and other WU revelry gave the team at least a slight lift today.

As for the game itself...The final score was reasonably close (I believe 8 or 10 points) but after Wash.U's huge run to open the second half, you knew the game was never in doubt. NYU sucks the life out of each and every one of their offensive possessions, regularly taking 25 or 30 seconds off the shot clock and though that strategy keeps them from getting blown out, it also ensures that the chances of a comeback (at least against a team with a terrific transition offense like Wash.U) are highly unlikely. Wash.U. took NYU out of its slow-down offense for the first four of five minutes of the second half and after that, it was clear to anyone watching that the game's ultimate outcome was never really in doubt. In under three minutes, the Bears went on a 13-3 run and with 13 and change to go, Wash.U. led by a comfortable 15. In the first 10:30 of the second half, the Bears put up 30 points. AT hit four 3's in that stretch and the game was over.

DJ Glavin (spelling?) helped NYU in the second half, but Nesci seemed reluctant to push the tempo and almost more content with taking an 8 or 10 point loss than with taking the risk of getting into a run game and trying to make a dent in the lead. On some level, you can't blame him. Who wants to get into a run game against a team that loves nothing more than to push tempo and that has a pair of all Americans in its backcourt? On another level, though, you have to question the tactic. NYU NEEDED a win if it wanted to stay in the Pool C hunt and they have a steady point guard manning the ship. Why not at least try and cut the lead? I don't think anyone in that building really believed NYU had a chance even when they got the lead to 6 with seven plus minutes to play. The Violets continued to slow the tempo and scored nine points for the duration of the game. Nine. And it wasn't as if Wash.U.'s defense was legendarily exceptional. Certainly, the Bears got rebounds and made stops, but by and large, NYU's lack of scoring stemmed from a stagnant offense that would move the ball around and burn clock before attempting shots from 15 or 20 feet out. Just not sure what they were trying to do.

As for Wash.U.: always nice to get an 8 point win against a quality league opponent on the road on Sunday. The Bears played very well today and continue to play their best basketball at the most opportune of times. With AT back at MVP-type form, it's going to be very difficult for teams to defend Wash.U. come tournament time. You can try to zone them, but with AT stroking again, you'll get the same result as NYU did today. You can try to play man, but their offensive sets are so fluid after four years of running them with this core group of guys that it's very difficult to limit their offense. You can try, as Emory did, to run a triangle and 2 on AT and Wallis, but this may prove to be the least effective of all (as Emory found out). Sean and AT had their worst offensive performances of the season and yet Wash.U put together arguably its most dominating performance of the year.

I think people forget how effective a scorer Spencer Gay has become. When Emory triangle and 2'd the Bears, Gay went 7 for 8 and finished with 18 points. Today, he put up 16 on 7 of 9. A triangle and two opens up the passing lanes and enables him to get easy buckets. And lest we forget, the Bears' X factor: Cam Smith. People have overlooked him his whole career because he's always been a 3rd or even fourth offensive option. Triangle and 2 the Bears and Cam hits five 3's. This is a guy who can flat out score and has always produced when necessary, but simply hasn't really had to.

Looking forward to seeing how things shape up. The way to beat the Bears will be to  hope that their big guns are simply not hitting. A superior post player will also give the Wash.U bigs real trouble. The UAA is down this year, so Wash.U. has not had to deal with the issue of a dominant post man (save Hollins on Deis, who did give Wash.U trouble) and that is my primary concern come tournament time. Otherwise, I'm beginning to feel pretty confident, certainly much better than I was 3 or 4 weeks ago.

Wash U. definitely did have a home court advantage this afternoon--not only did the Bears fans come out in large numbers, but they were also loud.

As for NYU's offensive strategy, that issue comes up a lot with this team. It can be frustrating to watch the Violets burn clock when they're behind, but I still think it's an exaggeration to say that everyone in the gym knew they didn't have a chance. They were a stop and a score away from making it a one-possession game with about seven minutes left, and they weren't able to get it done. For much of the season their incredibly slow offense has been effective enough to get wins. I think what was worse about their offense today than its pace was the fact that it didn't result in good shots.

Wash U. was by far the best team I've seen visit NYU this season. Anytime NYU threatened to make a run, the Bears answered. Their offense was crisp, and even if their defense wasn't perfect, I certainly thought they did a great job making sure that NYU didn't have any easy shots.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 15, 2010, 06:19:39 PM
Update on ECAC Tournament declarations--

As of February 11, NYU and Carnegie Mellon filed declaration papers to the ECAC expressing interest in competing in their respective ECAC postseason basketball tournaments.

The ECAC tournament is a consolation postseason tournament  designed for teams in their respective ECAC regions interested in competing for those championships who finish above .500 on the season but do not qualify for the NCAAs.  In each region, the ECAC picks up to 8 teams from a list of teams who declared for the ECAC tournament-- if a declared team qualifies for the NCAA, the declaration is withdrawn without penalty.

There are four regions of the ECAC:  New England, Metro, Upstate, and South-- with regional champions crowned for those four regions.

First round is on March 3, with semis and championship expected for the weekend of March 6 and 7.

NYU would be competing in the ECAC Metro Championship-- The NYU men currently have a record of 15-7 on the season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 17, 2010, 06:50:00 PM
REGIONAL RANKINGS

The latest regional rankings are out: http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/021710aab.html

Washington University remains in No. 1.  Brandeis has moved to No. 4, up one from the first regional rankings while NYU has dropped one to No. 5 with one in-region game left against Rochester.

Midwest Region
In-Region Record, Overall Record

1. Washington-St. Louis 17-2 20-2
2. Carthage 14-3 18-5
3. St. Norbert 19-2 20-2
4. Wheaton (Illinois) 15-7 16-7
5. Illinois Wesleyan 17-5 18-5
6. Anderson (Indiana) 18-3 20-3
7. Defiance 16-5 18-5
8. Augustana (Illinois) 15-7 15-8

Northeast Region
In-Region Record Overall Record

1. Williams 21-0 23-1
2. MIT 20-1 21-2
3. Middlebury 17-2 21-2
4. Brandeis 17-5 17-5
5. Colby 16-4 18-5
6. Bridgewater State 15-4 16-6
7. Rhode Island College 16-7 16-7
8. Eastern Connecticut State 16-7 16-7
9. Gordon 18-4 19-4
10. WPI 16-5 17-5
11. Western Connecticut State 15-6 16-6

East Region
In-Region Record Overall Record

1. St. John Fisher 18-4 19-4
2. Medaille 20-2 21-2
3. Oneonta State 17-5 18-5
4. Stevens Institute 17-5 17-5
5. New York University 14-7 15-7
6. Plattsburgh State 13-6 15-7


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2010, 10:23:07 PM
Why don't we keep people around and have them go to our page?

http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2010/02/17/2010-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2010, 10:41:13 AM
Facility alert--

Brandeis is hosting the UAA Indoor Track and Field Championships on March 5 and 6, 2010 at the Gosman Fieldhouse-- the same weekend as the first/second rounds of the NCAA DIII basketball tournaments.

The Gosman Fieldhouse is a multi-purpose fieldhouse that not only hosts basketball as a winter sport, but also hosts fencing meets and track and field meets in the winter season.

As the track completely surrounds the Red Auerbach Arena court on the same level, Red Auerbach Arena cannot be used for basketball on the same weekend as a track and field meet.  Closed practices would have to be held on the same competition court as the game-- thereby preventing track and field practice at the same time, and the stands go right over the track when basketball games are held.  For this reason,  in the regular season, track and field is held on a weekend when Brandeis is playing road UAA basketball contests.

In addition, the locker room facilities, as well as the team hotel normally used to house visiting basketball teams, also have to be dedicated to hosting the over 150 track and field athletes from the 7 other UAA schools that will be travelling to Brandeis to compete in the track and field events.

To host NCAA basketball tournament games, the Gosman Fieldhouse has to be completely closed off that weekend to all other events-- including the normal use of fitness club facilities in the bulidling, because of the tight security arrangements demanded by the NCAA.  In addition, the locker rooms in the building would have to be dedicated to the 3 other basketball teams who would be playing that weekend-- to the exclusion of everything else.  Not that I am complaining about that, because it was great to host NCAA first and second round tournament games for both the men and women for the past 2 years-- and if the track and field meet was not going to be held on the same weekend this year, I would be very glad for Brandeis to host basketball playoff games.

The reason why I am writing this now is that the Brandeis men are currently ranked #4 in the Northeast, and people will naturally ask the question as to whether or not Brandeis will be able to host a pod for the men's field this year for the first and second rounds.  I heard talk about this among coaches yesterday at the MIT-Wheaton men's basketball game.

Brandeis last hosted the UAA indoor track and field championships in March of 2007.  That year, the Brandeis men went to Rhode Island College's pod for first and second round games, and the Brandeis women went to Emmanuel's pod for first and second round matches.  Both Brandeis teams lost in the second round that year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 18, 2010, 11:21:09 PM
Hugenerd, once you referenced your lost karma points, the entirety of your argument lost any shred of credibility. In actuality, I was coming around to see your perspective, but then, like a bitter 8 year old who got the smallest bag of party favors, your reference to docked karma points rendered the legitimacy of your argument a moot point.

And no, I'm not some provocateur who chuckles as people dock my karma points and I go to -197 overnight. I'm just trying to point out the absurdity of someone who professes to be some sort of message board truth teller by noting that they'll stand by their remarks regardless of how many karma points they lose, as if vouching for Williams to be number one can be equated with a heroic act of citizen journalism. Be serious here.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 18, 2010, 11:51:18 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 18, 2010, 11:21:09 PM
Hugenerd, once you referenced your lost karma points, the entirety of your argument lost any shred of credibility. In actuality, I was coming around to see your perspective, but then, like a bitter 8 year old who got the smallest bag of party favors, your reference to docked karma points rendered the legitimacy of your argument a moot point.

And no, I'm not some provocateur who chuckles as people dock my karma points and I go to -197 overnight. I'm just trying to point out the absurdity of someone who professes to be some sort of message board truth teller by noting that they'll stand by their remarks regardless of how many karma points they lose, as if vouching for Williams to be number one can be equated with a heroic act of citizen journalism. Be serious here.

Grasping for any way to put me down now?  First off, that post wasnt on this board.  Secondly, you don't respond to any point I make in my post.  Finally, the argument again is not for Williams at 1 or WashU at 2, it is in reference to why WashU jumped Williams after last weeks results.  

Also, I dont know what you are talking about in your entire post.  Me mentioning karma shreds my credibility?  Really?  What has rendered you the expert on d3boards etiquette?  You clearly are the bigger person now that you have called me out on the aside I made about karma and devoted an entire post to analyzing that remark instead of writing anything of substance.  I stand by what I wrote, including the observation that I had lost 5 karma points during that discussion and that it would not be any detriment to me if that continued (by the way, I have seen others write similar things in the past regarding karma).  You are the one that continues to try to take the focus away from discussing basketball and trying to throw personal insults towards me.  You can say you don't agree with my argument, or even that I dont know what I am talking about when it comes to WashU's basketball team, but don't try to lower this to some immature level where you need to call names and attack me personally to try to win the argument.  I dont feel as though I am the immature one in this situation, I am sticking to the topic at hand.  If you would like to call names, so be it, but dont think that you are going to upset me in away with  your own immaturity.  I am sure we all knew bullies growing up, but I did not realize that they persisted in the real world.

Also, no one said vouching for a team you dont follow is a "heroic act of civic journalism."  It is called forming an opinion by observing a team and discussing them on a d3 basketball message board.  That is the purpose of these boards I thought.  Maybe I am wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2010, 11:52:32 PM
Marty,

That has to be the most ridiculous karma reference I've read on the boards, and I've read some doozys. Spare me.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2010, 10:22:44 AM
PARTY IN THE UAA

Tonight is Senior Night at the Field House as Bears fans come together to celebrate the careers of some of the best athletes ever to wear green and red.  Washington University takes on a Case Western squad that has reeled off four straight UAA wins.  I am going to make a firm prediction on this: Washington University rolls over the Spartans with a statement win.  A win that gets the Top 25 thread talking.

I make this prediction, in part, because the Spartans have not been effective enough from three point range.  Feel free to disagree (and maybe this is an obvious point), but when it comes to the post-season, my prediction is that any team that wishes to take down the Bears will have to be on from outside.  Thoughts?

The Bears host Carnegie Mellon on Sunday, the last time Bears fans will be able to watch Wallis, Thompson, Kelly, Smith and Kelley free of charge! [insert very sad yellow thing here]

IN OTHER GAMES

New York University is on the road at Emory while Brandeis looks for the season sweep at Rochester.  Carnegie Mellon is in Hyde Park tonight for a match-up in the bright maroon-red Ratner Center. 

KARMA POLICE

This is only incidental to the previous conversations, but I recently earned the ability (or is it a responsibility?) to award and take away karma.  And, now that I understand how it works, it seems to me that karma is actually, more of a popularity index and has less to do with positive and negative contributions to the board.

ADDICTION

Lately, I feel like I have been living my otherwise happy life one Friday night and one Sunday afternoon at a time.  And, not a day goes by that I don't think about where I might go (dragging my wife along) to watch the Bears play again.  I think I am addicted to UAA basketball.  Am I the only one?  [typed with tounge in cheek]
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2010, 11:45:36 AM
State of the UAA teams going in to tonight:

Wash U locks up the automatic bid from the UAA with a win tonight over Case.  Wash U can clinch their automatic bid even sooner if Rochester defeats Brandeis tonight at the Palestra-- the Rochester v Brandeis game tips off an hour before Wash U starts their game, and I expect Wash U will be celebrating their NCAA bid at the end of the night tonight.  I will be going through the videocasts on a "whip-around" basis-- focusing on the Brandeis at Rochester game, but also catching action from the NYU at Emory game and the Case at Wash U match.

Pool C candidates as of this moment:

Brandeis-- ranked #4 in the Northeast

Regional record 17-5 (.773 in-region percentage)  Strength of schedule: .553

1-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents  (Win at Wash U, loss vs Wash U, win at NYU.)

No non-conference teams on Brandeis's schedule are currently regionally ranked-- Brandeis went 10-1 in the non-conference schedule with their only non-conference loss at UMass-Dartmouth (tied for 2nd in the Little East 3 games back of RI College in the standings.)

Brandeis needs a win in the next 3 games to secure themselves a final regional percentage over .700-- winning 2 of the next 3 games will secure Brandeis a regional percentage of at least .750.

Brandeis has decided not to participate in the ECAC New England Championship-- barring a last-minute change. The deadline for declaration for ECAC is today.

NYU-- #5 in East

Regional record 14-7 (.667 in-region winning percentage)   Strength of schedule is .552

2-2 in region vs regionally ranked opponents  (Win over Stevens, win over Brandeis, 0-2 vs Wash U.)

2 losses in non-conference to teams not regionally ranked--- loss to Skidmore (15-8 overall), loss to Mt St Vincent  (10-13 overall)

NYU needs to win out to stay in Pool C consideration-- NYU would secure a regional winning percentage over .700 if they win out.

NYU has declared for the ECAC Metro Championship.

PS-- Unlike on the women's side, there is only 1 team on the men's side with a strength of schedule over .600 as of last Sunday-- that team is Chicago.

Wash U has a strength of schedule of .595 as of last Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 19, 2010, 12:06:01 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 19, 2010, 10:22:44 AM
KARMA POLICE

This is only incidental to the previous conversations, but I recently earned the ability (or is it a responsibility?) to award and take away karma.  And, now that I understand how it works, it seems to me that karma is actually, more of a popularity index and has less to do with positive and negative contributions to the board.

Yep, you just got this when you hit 200 posts.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2010, 12:28:40 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 19, 2010, 11:45:36 AM
Unlike on the women's side, there is only 1 team on the men's side with a strength of schedule over .600 as of last Sunday-- that team is Chicago.

Wash U has a strength of schedule of .595 as of last Sunday.

The strength of schedule only includes teams played, right?  Not that it matters much, given who is on the schedule for both Washington University and Chicago.  It is interesting, thinking about how the WUSTL schedule was played out.  I think everyone expected a match-up with Whitworth and Wooster.

Thanks for another great, well thought out post.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2010, 03:09:58 PM
Wooster wouldn't have affected the SOS, since it would have been a non-region game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on February 19, 2010, 03:16:16 PM
WUH:

Nice.  A post with musical references to Miley Cyrus and Radiohead. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2010, 04:12:32 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 19, 2010, 03:16:16 PM
A post with musical references to Miley Cyrus and Radiohead. :)

I had planned to work in a Lady Gaga reference, as she is a New York University alum, but I decided to spare the D3 Hoops world from my bad sense of humor and possibly risk insulting a NYU fan or two.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2010, 09:37:00 PM
Brandeis men defeated Rochester tonight, 87-70.

On to watch the Wash U v. Case match.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 19, 2010, 10:49:13 PM
Wash U didn't look at all impressive tonight, but the Bears did manage to eke out the three-point win over Case and garner the UAA title and Pool A bid.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2010, 10:51:16 PM
Congrats to the Wash U Bears on winning the UAA Championship and the automatic bid.  

Bid clinched at 9:47 PM Central/10:47 PM Eastern.

Case tried their hardest to pull off the upset, and the game went to the final seconds before Wash U prevailed, 65-62,

Wash U was down 4 at the half.

An exciting ball game tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 19, 2010, 10:53:41 PM
65-62 Wash U over Case.  Case has their four game UAA win streak snapped. AT with 15 but overall another tough night shooting.  Hopefully Wash U can finish strong and maybe host when the tourney starts.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2010, 11:42:04 PM
I could not have been more wrong on my prediction of how the Washington University-Case Western game would go tonight, but you have to credit the Spartans for bringing it to the Field House tonight.  They shot well including a few from way outside.

The Bears actually played good basketball.  They moved the ball well and battled through what I will simply call officiating adversity.  Only seven turnovers.  And, defended well.  The Bears held the Spartans to nine points below their season average.

Spencer Gay had another career night going 8-12 and pulling down six rebounds.  Dylan Richter contributed a very strong 15 minutes off the bench, going 3-5 with one block, in what may have been his best game of the season defensively speaking.  Aaron Thompson had a decent night, going 3-6 from three point range, scoring 15 points overall, with a few clutch free throws.

Next up: Carnegie Mellon in what will be the last free home game of the season.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 20, 2010, 01:09:57 PM
One important thing I forgot to mention from the game last night: the Field House was headband city with no less than five Spartans and two Bears sporting headbands, including Dylan Richter who was wearing it Chism-style.

Much better than the half-beards.

Also, congratulations to Cameron Smith and Ross Kelly for (co)winning the Pierce award, an alumni sponsored award that is essentially recognition for the great under the radar careers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 20, 2010, 04:07:51 PM
While I don't think the UAA is a top-heavy conference this year, I think it's worth noting how many good teams there are in the league. Not necessarily NCAA-tourney good, but quality D3 teams that will help WashU. (and probably Deis) come tournament time. Between Case, NYU, a very talented but young Rochester team, and an Emory squad which showed flashes at points this year, the UAA is better overall than it was last year. A few years back, when you had Rochester, Wash.U. and seemingly one other team each year from the conference that were consistently in the top 20 or 25, the UAA was seen as being a top league in the country. At the same time, though, Emory, Case, and usually one other team could effectively be counted as automatic wins. That is no longer the case. The league is not as top-heavy and understandably doesn't have the same respect nationally, but there is greater parity across the board and, with Wash.U. graduating so much and a few good young teams out there, we're likely to see more of the same in years to come.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 21, 2010, 12:47:11 PM
Score update-- halftime in Atlanta, GA

Emory 29, Brandeis 29

Brandeis playing today without the services of Richard Magee, who was injured in Friday night's win at Rochester.    It is unknown at this time how long Magee will be out, but he was sent to the U of R Medical Center on Friday due to his injury.  

Update today on the injury-- according to the Emory videocast of the Emory vs Brandeis game, Rich Magee was reported to have suffered an ankle sprain in Friday's game.   He may be available next week vs NYU.

In his place,  Brandeis #2 Wouter van der Eng is getting some minutes off the bench.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 21, 2010, 01:22:43 PM
Wash.U up 40 with 6:30 to play. All starters have now been pulled. Good way to end the regular season Always nice to blow out CMU after that smackdown they put on the Bears in 2008.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 21, 2010, 01:34:15 PM
98-58 final. Spencer Gay continues his dominance. He will no doubt be 1st team all conference next year. Kid shoots 60 percent from the field and is becoming an excellent finisher each and every game. I'd love to see a break down of his in conference stats. He averages like 9 a night, but in conference I'd have to think he's up to 14 or 15. Could be the X factor down the stretch, since defenses can no longer focus their efforts exclusively on the Wash.U. backcourt.

Tough to see how Carnegie has fallen. They were such a good team a couple years ago and I hope for the league's sake they return to respectability.

Edit: Gay is averaging 12 in conference, but that includes a goose egg in the opener against Chicago.  He's averaging 17 in his last five. Very encouraging news for the Bears as they enter the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 21, 2010, 01:47:40 PM
Brandeis led for most of the second half, but the Judges suffer a heartbreaking loss in Atlanta today as Alex Greven hits a game winning shot for the Eagles with 5.9 seconds remaining.  Emory held on for the 64-63 win.

(Updated to correct spelling on the last name.)  

Brandeis suffers their 6th loss of the season and may need a win against NYU on Saturday in order to be more secure about their Pool C chances.

Update:  Rochester defeated NYU today, 81-68, at the Palestra.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 21, 2010, 01:52:25 PM
Terrible finish by the Judges today as Emory pulls out a one point win ... five point Brandeis lead and a missed Eagles shot with about a minute left, looked like victory for Deis, but a Yemga foul, one of many dumb Kenny Small shots, and various other miscues led to the Emory win.

Good games for Kriskus and Weldon for Brandeis, Small and Roberson were terrible down the stretch. Roberson committed a number of random fouls, incuding one on a three pointer and Small's shot selection was atrocious, both missed free throws left and right. Hollins was great on the boards including a big put back late in the game, but also missed several short shots.

Team missed McGee as there was often no help by the forwards once Emory guards penetrated the middle.

In short, looks like the NYU game may count for something after all. Is there a tie breaker formula if the two teams split?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on February 21, 2010, 01:52:46 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 21, 2010, 01:34:15 PM
98-58 final. Spencer Gay continues his dominance. He will no doubt be 1st team all conference next year. Kid shoots 60 percent from the field and is becoming an excellent finisher each and every game. I'd love to see a break down of his in conference stats. He averages like 9 a night, but in conference I'd have to think he's up to 14 or 15. Could be the X factor down the stretch, since defenses can no longer focus their efforts exclusively on the Wash.U. backcourt.

Wash U breaks out conference stats, as a lot of teams do...

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/mensbball/teamcume.htm

Gay is averaging 11.3 points, 6.5 rebounds, and is shooting .648 from the field.  Contrast with Tyler Nading, who last year in UAA play averaged 13.1 points and 5.3 rebounds, shooting .535.  Spencer Gay's emergence has been huge for the Bears.

That said, things will be a lot tougher on him next year when he is "the guy."  Right now he gets a lot of great looks due to Wallis and Thompson being on the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 21, 2010, 02:00:51 PM
Quote from: howardjp on February 21, 2010, 01:52:25 PM

In short, looks like the NYU game may count for something after all. Is there a tie breaker formula if the two teams split?

There is no tie breaker formula for runner up finishes.  Once you finish as a runner up, your Pool C chances fall on your entire resume throughout the season, both conference and non-conference.

For example, on the women's side of the UAA last year,  the second, third, and fifth place teams  (the Brandeis women finishing 5th in the UAA last season) got Pool C bids while the fourth place team on the UAA women's side last year (the Chicago women)  did not get in to the NCAAs.

I'll update more later this week once I get updated strength of schedule numbers and the updated regional rankings on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 21, 2010, 02:27:23 PM
Quote from: howardjp on February 21, 2010, 01:52:25 PM

In short, looks like the NYU game may count for something after all. Is there a tie breaker formula if the two teams split?
Quote from: deiscanton on February 21, 2010, 02:00:51 PM

There is no tie breaker formula for runner up finishes.  Once you finish as a runner up, your Pool C chances fall on your entire resume throughout the season, both conference and non-conference.

For example, on the women's side of the UAA last year,  the second, third, and fifth place teams  (the Brandeis women finishing 5th in the UAA last season) got Pool C bids while the fourth place team on the UAA women's side last year (the Chicago women)  did not get in to the NCAAs.

I'll update more later this week once I get updated strength of schedule numbers and the updated regional rankings on Wednesday.
Thanks as always Alan!


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 21, 2010, 05:07:31 PM
After watching my last regular season game with such a special group of players, I am thinking now that I may have to make the drive to Chicago next week.  Cameron Smith and Aaron Thompson tied Tyler Nading today with the most games ever played in a Bears uniform.  Incidentally, we learned today, through the half-time trivia contest, that Smith was a competitive jump rope-er as a child.

Obviously, Spencer Gay stole the show, but great play all around.  Of note: Dylan Richter had two high-flying alley-oop dunks, and eight points overall in 23 minutes.

At the risk of losing all my karma, I am going to comment on the officiating.  I have been critical of the officials before, so I am going to take this opportunity to say that this group of referees really knows how to call a game.  I have seen them several times before.  Very consistent calls on both sides.  Very predictable if you are a player.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 21, 2010, 05:19:24 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 21, 2010, 01:34:15 PM
Tough to see how Carnegie has fallen. They were such a good team a couple years ago and I hope for the league's sake they return to respectability.

Carnegie actually made it to the second round of the NCAAs last year, but they graduated 6 or 7 seniors and could not put it together this year.  I believe this will be their first single digit win season since 01-02 when they were 9-16.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: r-buddy on February 21, 2010, 06:19:16 PM
The comments on Wash U are right on target.  Gay's emergence is a great help, and he continues to improve with more playing time.  This team has excellent depth with 4 quality players off the bench, including Ross Kelly, who was the starting point guard for the 2009 championship team, a real asset, plus Dylan Richter and Caleb Knepper, a forward who also shoots beyond the arc, and Alex Toth at center.  Can't wait for March Madness!!   
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 21, 2010, 06:50:53 PM
UAA could only send one team to the NCAA tourney this year.  Brandeis is squarely on the bubble now and no one else has a real chance.  It would be the first time since 2006 (when only CMU went).  Last year the UAA sent 3 teams to the tourney, and the UAA sent 4 in both 2008 and 2007.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 21, 2010, 09:37:14 PM
TitanQ, you are dead on. Next year will be very interesting for the Bears. Gay's a great finisher but much of that stems from the feeds he gets from Wallis. Wash.U. will have two proven offensive threats next year in Richter and Gay. Knepper and Toth are capable scorers as well. The concern is who it will be that gets these guys the basketball. And since the current squad has 2 pg's who've led a team to a national title, there's been literally no reason to find minutes for a frosh. Between Hoener, Stanley, Oh, Sapp, and Seymour (and who knows whp might be brought in?) you have five guys which could see minutes. Sapp hasn't travelled in league play and will be a senior (who actually saw minutes when Wallis went down as a frosh), so he likely isn't Edwards' choice. Hoener and Seymour travels and was heavily touted out of HS, so he might be the front runner, but Oh is said to be quite talented, as is Seymour. I know very little about Stanley. You have to figure that going with a rotation at the position would be ineffective, since whomever emerges will need to be allowed the opportunity to make mistakes and a quick leash will not allow for that. Talk of who's going to man the reigns is purely and 100 percent speculative, since none of the candidates have seen even a minute of meaningful game action.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 21, 2010, 11:47:44 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 21, 2010, 09:37:14 PM
Wash.U. will have two proven offensive threats next year in Richter and Gay. Knepper and Toth are capable scorers as well. The concern is who it will be that gets these guys the basketball.

I am going to make the ever-so slightest correction to your latest post and that is: Knepper is every bit the proven offensive threat as Richter.  There is a reason why he is first off the bench.  And, he has struggled a little with injuries, but he will be key to a successful 2010-2011 campaign.

It will be interesting, though seriously, we must be the only Bears fans who are thinking about next year.

Speaking of this year, I am not sure that anyone mentioned Aaron Thompson and his performance today.  No news is indeed good news.  15 easy points on 6-9 shooting (3-5 from outside) in 20 minutes of play.  Looked very comfortable in the game and during warm-ups.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 22, 2010, 06:27:48 AM
It was a fun game to watch in the Field House on Sunday.  Seems like it has been a long time since there was a Wash U game where the players and fans could be pretty loose after about 10 minutes.  Nice that AT's dad was allowed to walk out with him on Sunday since he was coaching his HS team on Friday night and had to miss Senior night at Wash U.  Bears need to win on Saturday in Chicago to have hopes of hosting the first round. Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: r-buddy on February 22, 2010, 09:01:37 AM
Another thought on the Wash U weekend activity:  few have given adequate credit to the Case team, which seems much improved by the return of an injured starter.  They matched up well with the Bears and played hard.  Their biggest problem might be lack of depth--only one reserve played significant minutes, and their shooting clearly fell off in the waning minutes of the game.  Have to wonder if fatigue might have been evident on Sunday against Chicago also. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ziggy on February 22, 2010, 03:50:58 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 21, 2010, 06:50:53 PM
UAA could only send one team to the NCAA tourney this year.  Brandeis is squarely on the bubble now and no one else has a real chance.  It would be the first time since 2006 (when only CMU went).  Last year the UAA sent 3 teams to the tourney, and the UAA sent 4 in both 2008 and 2007.

Brandeis gets a Pool C bid in our projections thru last night's action. Their winning percentage could be better but a strength of schedule ranked 23rd nationally plays to their advantage.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 22, 2010, 03:58:22 PM
Quote from: ziggy on February 22, 2010, 03:50:58 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 21, 2010, 06:50:53 PM
UAA could only send one team to the NCAA tourney this year.  Brandeis is squarely on the bubble now and no one else has a real chance.  It would be the first time since 2006 (when only CMU went).  Last year the UAA sent 3 teams to the tourney, and the UAA sent 4 in both 2008 and 2007.

Brandeis gets a Pool C bid in our projections thru last night's action. Their winning percentage could be better but a strength of schedule ranked 23rd nationally plays to their advantage.

Do you have them ranked ahead or behind Colby in the NE?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ziggy on February 22, 2010, 04:02:31 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 22, 2010, 03:58:22 PM
Quote from: ziggy on February 22, 2010, 03:50:58 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 21, 2010, 06:50:53 PM
UAA could only send one team to the NCAA tourney this year.  Brandeis is squarely on the bubble now and no one else has a real chance.  It would be the first time since 2006 (when only CMU went).  Last year the UAA sent 3 teams to the tourney, and the UAA sent 4 in both 2008 and 2007.

Brandeis gets a Pool C bid in our projections thru last night's action. Their winning percentage could be better but a strength of schedule ranked 23rd nationally plays to their advantage.

Do you have them ranked ahead or behind Colby in the NE?
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 22, 2010, 04:03:43 PM
Thats interesting, what about Bridgewater?  In other words, if Bridgewater doesnt win the MASCAC, could that shake things up?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ziggy on February 22, 2010, 04:09:42 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 22, 2010, 04:03:43 PM
Thats interesting, what about Bridgewater?  In other words, if Bridgewater doesnt win the MASCAC, could that shake things up?

Hard to say quickly, but as all the numbers sit now they might be able to contend for a Pool C although taking a loss would hurt them considering their advantage is in regard to winning percentage.

I should add the disclaimer that this projection gives out the 19 pool c bids after taking out all the pool a schools. Bigger conference tourney upsets would limit the pool, so to speak.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on February 22, 2010, 06:24:31 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 22, 2010, 03:58:22 PM
Quote from: ziggy on February 22, 2010, 03:50:58 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 21, 2010, 06:50:53 PM
UAA could only send one team to the NCAA tourney this year.  Brandeis is squarely on the bubble now and no one else has a real chance.  It would be the first time since 2006 (when only CMU went).  Last year the UAA sent 3 teams to the tourney, and the UAA sent 4 in both 2008 and 2007.

Brandeis gets a Pool C bid in our projections thru last night's action. Their winning percentage could be better but a strength of schedule ranked 23rd nationally plays to their advantage.

Do you have them ranked ahead or behind Colby in the NE?

what happens if NYU completes the Brandeis sweep?

do they get in to the tourney at 17-8 and 2nd in the UAA?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ziggy on February 22, 2010, 06:50:17 PM
Quote from: dblock on February 22, 2010, 06:24:31 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 22, 2010, 03:58:22 PM
Quote from: ziggy on February 22, 2010, 03:50:58 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 21, 2010, 06:50:53 PM
UAA could only send one team to the NCAA tourney this year.  Brandeis is squarely on the bubble now and no one else has a real chance.  It would be the first time since 2006 (when only CMU went).  Last year the UAA sent 3 teams to the tourney, and the UAA sent 4 in both 2008 and 2007.

Brandeis gets a Pool C bid in our projections thru last night's action. Their winning percentage could be better but a strength of schedule ranked 23rd nationally plays to their advantage.

Do you have them ranked ahead or behind Colby in the NE?

what happens if NYU completes the Brandeis sweep?

do they get in to the tourney at 17-8 and 2nd in the UAA?

The final place in the UAA standings won't have anything to do with it.

Another win over Brandeis will cap off a season of impressive wins for NYU but the overall winning percentage might not be enough to get them over the hump. I think they will need a little more help from some of the teams around them to get consideration.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 22, 2010, 06:52:06 PM
Dblock--

As you probably know from the UAA women's basketball standings last year, once you are a runner up, your whole resume is taken into account in determining whether or not you get a Pool C.  Don't focus on a potential second place finish in conference being the clincher.   Primary in-region percentage includes wins and losses in both UAA and non-conference play.

On the UAA women's side last year, the UAA got the second, third, and fifth place teams in based on their resumes for the whole season, but not the fourth place team.

A team with 8 regional losses is going to find it very difficult to get a Pool C no matter how strong their strength of schedule.  (See Chicago women from last season-- and perhaps the Brandeis women this season.)

The first thing for NYU to find out on this upcoming Wednesday's regional rankings is if they are even regionally ranked in the East going into Saturday's game.  If they are not regionally ranked going into Saturday, then a Pool C is going to be almost impossible to get.  

A head to head sweep over Brandeis would probably only count in getting a Pool C if Brandeis and NYU are both on the national table with 1 Pool C bid remaining, and both Brandeis and NYU are the top 2 teams on the national table of 8 candidates going for that final bid.  (Brandeis up on the table from the Northeast, and NYU up on the table from the East.)  Each region can have only 1 team on the national table at a time for Pool C consideration-- That is why the order in the regional rankings is so important in determing the order in which potential Pool C candidates from each region will get to the national table.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on February 22, 2010, 10:39:09 PM
dblock,
I don't think NYU will have a chance at a Pool C bid. Even with a win over Brandeis this week they would only have a 15-8 regional record. I believe when the new East Region rankings come out this Wednesday that NYU will not be on the list. Even if some of the teams above them lose in their conference tournament this coming week they will still have a better in region record than NYU will have, come tournament selection time. If the projected Pool A teams hold form that will still leave a SUNYAC team, as well as an Empire 8 team, with a higher regional ranking than NYU and the East will not get more than 2 Pool C bids. And it's possible the East region will only get 1 bid.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 23, 2010, 10:55:45 AM
Congratulations to Cameron Smith of Washington University and Eric Duerr of Case Western Reserve University for being named ESPN Academic All-Americans.  Smith has a 4.0 gpa majoring in Chemical Engineering while Duerr, a pre-med student, has a 3.96 gpa.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 23, 2010, 12:51:04 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 23, 2010, 10:55:45 AM
Congratulations to Cameron Smith of Washington University and Eric Duerr of Case Western Reserve University for being named ESPN Academic All-Americans.  Smith has a 4.0 gpa majoring in Chemical Engineering while Duerr, a pre-med student, has a 3.96 gpa.

Slacker......
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 24, 2010, 11:53:01 PM
I reread the Men's Basketball Championship Handbook an hour ago because I was confused as to where the records vs regionally ranked opponents were coming from.

The handbook cleared up confusion that I was suffering from the past few weeks.

When doing a record vs regionally ranked opponents for a men's tournament resume, the men's selection commitee goes by the principle of "once regionally ranked, always regionally ranked."   Therefore, if a team is regionally ranked at any week of the regional rankings, it will always be considered as a regionally ranked team even if the team is not listed in the current week's regional rankings for men's basketball.

The women's selection committee does not go by the principle of "once ranked, always ranked" for regional rankings.

By the principle of "once ranked, always ranked"-- the Brandeis men are listed this week at 3-3 vs regionally ranked opponents.

Brandeis has 2 wins vs Rochester and 1 win vs Wash U

Brandeis has a loss vs UMass-Dartmouth, a loss vs Wash U, and a loss vs NYU

Even though UMass-Dartmouth and Rochester are not regionally ranked in this week's poll, they were regionally ranked in a previous week's poll and are still considered as regionally ranked on the men's side.

I will post the tournament resumes for Brandeis and NYU tomorrow morning going in with the updated understanding of this rule.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2010, 12:12:36 AM
Tournament resumes for UAA Pool C candidates

Brandeis-- #5 in Northeast

Regional record is 18-6    Regional percentage is .750

Strength of schedule is .552

Record vs regionally ranked teams (once ranked, always ranked)  3-3

Wins vs Wash U and Rochester (twice)

Losses vs UMass-Dartmouth, Wash U, and NYU

3 losses vs teams not regionally ranked (Case once, Emory twice).


NYU-- #6 in East

Regional record is 15-8   Regional percentage is .652

Strength of schedule is .551

Record vs regionally ranked teams (once ranked, always ranked)-- 4-3

Wins over Stevens, Merchant Marine, Brandeis and Rochester

Losses to Wash U (twice), Rochester (once).

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 25, 2010, 12:21:23 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 24, 2010, 11:53:01 PM
When doing a record vs regionally ranked opponents for a men's tournament resume, the men's selection commitee goes by the principle of "once regionally ranked, always regionally ranked."   Therefore, if a team is regionally ranked at any week of the regional rankings, it will always be considered as a regionally ranked team even if the team is not listed in the current week's regional rankings for men's basketball.

Alan, I believe this is new this year.  Charlie Brock mentioned it as an improvement over the old system when he appeared on Hoopsville after the first set of regional rankings were released.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2010, 04:27:59 AM
Hugenerd--

When regional rankings first were used, "once ranked, always ranked" was the original rule that was done on both the men's and women's tournament for selection purposes.   What the men have done is to go back to the original rule.   It is simpler because people don't have to wonder from week to week if a regionally ranked team who was ranked low in the first few weeks of the poll and then drops out will hurt the record of the other teams.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 25, 2010, 02:29:42 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 25, 2010, 04:27:59 AM
Hugenerd--

When regional rankings first were used, "once ranked, always ranked" was the original rule that was done on both the men's and women's tournament for selection purposes.   What the men have done is to go back to the original rule.   It is simpler because people don't have to wonder from week to week if a regionally ranked team who was ranked low in the first few weeks of the poll and then drops out will hurt the record of the other teams.

I didnt know of the original rule, just relaying what I heard Charlie Brock mention in the Hoopsville broadcast.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 26, 2010, 05:54:44 AM
I listened to Hoopsville last night, and I could not believe that someone asked a question about the Emory men's Pool C chances.  First of all, Emory was never regionally ranked in the South to begin with this season.   Second, any team with 9 regional losses is not going to be a serious Pool C candidate to begin with.

Emory's regional percentage is .609 going into Saturday.   A final in-region percentage of .625 does not cut it for serious Pool C consideration, no matter how strong it is....

Emory's strength of schedule is .562, which is strong, but 9 losses against that strength of schedule does not equal success vs that schedule for Pool C purposes.

Emory is only 3-5 vs regionally ranked competition, and has lost 4 more in-region games vs non-regionally ranked competition.   (Only strong quality wins are road win at NYU and the sweep over Brandeis).

(Emory's regionally ranked opposition was Maryville, TN  (0-1 vs. Maryville), Brandeis (2-0 vs Brandeis), NYU (1-1 vs NYU), Wash U (0-2 vs Wash U), and Rochester (1 loss at home, away rematch on Saturday)

Note:  The men use the "once ranked, always ranked" rule for regionally ranked opponents.  

However, congratulations to Emory on a vastly improved season.   Emory was picked to finish last in the UAA this year, and the Eagles have done substantially better than that.  
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2010, 10:26:37 AM
deiscanton - at first I tried to give that question some serious thought... but when i took a quick look at the resume I tried hard not to sound too harsh about it... but yes, Emory really has no chance of making the tournament despite a very impressive turn-around.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 26, 2010, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 26, 2010, 05:54:44 AM
I listened to Hoopsville last night, and I could not believe that someone asked a question about the Emory men's Pool C chances.  First of all, Emory was never regionally ranked in the South to begin with this season.   Second, any team with 9 regional losses is not going to be a serious Pool C candidate to begin with.

Maybe there are two types of fans: rational and irrational.  You are the perfect example of the rational fan.  You know the rules, look at the numbers, and analyze the situation accordingly.  The irrational fans only care about one team (just let me know when are where they are playing!).  And, would prefer to tell Emory exactly where they stand (and remind them of who won the volleyball national championship).  [Please insert a few yellow faces here].

Seriously though, thanks for your posts over the past season.  I have learned a lot from you.  And, maybe next season, I will proofread all my posts before hitting the post buttom.

Unfortunately, I cannot go to Chicago this weekend, but I will be watching the game online.  I have no doubt the Chicago is looking to end the season strong with a big win over Washington University.  And, Chicago has played well at home, going 11-2 at home.  The last loss at home was against Brandeis in mid-January.  Should be a good game in Hyde Park.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 26, 2010, 06:10:07 PM
Tomorrow's game will be a de facto home contest for Wash.U. Much of its roster hails from the Chicagoland area and the windy city serves as the home of perhaps more WU alums than anywhere else in the country. The alumni club has an event scheduled at the game as well. Should be a huge crowd, particularly with it being Wallis' final homecoming.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 27, 2010, 12:18:55 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 26, 2010, 06:10:07 PM
Tomorrow's game will be a de facto home contest for Wash.U. Much of its roster hails from the Chicagoland area and the windy city serves as the home of perhaps more WU alums than anywhere else in the country.

If only they could get there a few hours early and paint those ugly maroon-red walls green, red, and white!  [Please insert a few more yellow faces here].

If the box scores, and the bleachers viewable from the video feeds are any indication, it will not take that much to turn the crowd friendly.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 27, 2010, 02:18:30 PM
Always the idiot, it appears I have been commenting on the Women's game in the Men's Basketball thread.  It looks like I had two browsers open, both to D3boards.com/.

Men's Basketball starts at 3:00 CST.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: John Gleich on February 27, 2010, 02:22:00 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 27, 2010, 02:18:30 PM
Chicago starts the game on fire.  The Bears looking a little sloppy.  A few bad turnovers, few bad shots.  19-10.

That maroon and green with a black background for the live stats it pretty ugly...

What time doe the men's game start?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bobcat10 on February 27, 2010, 04:57:41 PM
Another textbook NYU loss. ECAC's here we come.

1994

How can an athletic director be satisfied with a 16 year NCAA Tourney drought?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2010, 06:39:38 PM
Wash U held off Chicago, 64-60.

Leading Maroons scorer Steve Stefanou didn't play today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: lileyes on February 27, 2010, 06:52:55 PM
Case got ahead early....beat Carnegie by 20
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 28, 2010, 09:24:36 AM
Today's Boston Globe notes that Brandeis defeated NYU and thus clinched the #2 seed for the UAA tournament - :)

Look forward to their coverage of this exciting event.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend!

H
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 28, 2010, 11:07:08 AM
Wash U's victory in Chicago on Saturday was a very physical affair, as is the norm when Wash U and Chicago play.  Sean had a rough day shooting and I think the physical play in the post knocked Spencer Gay off of his game a bit.  AT had a solid game as did Caleb Knepper.  It was a great double header to watch.  The UC student fans never seem to disappoint when it comes to their creative ways of showing their dislike of Wash U.  Great atmosphere.  Hopefully the win will allow the Bears to host next weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 28, 2010, 11:51:10 AM
Quote from: WashU33Fan on February 28, 2010, 11:07:08 AM
Great atmosphere.  Hopefully the win will allow the Bears to host next weekend.

And, you have to appreciate the Chicago mascot: lots of energy and enthusiasm.

The Bears will be ranked No. 1 in the final regional rankings and are practically guaranteed to to host the first weekend.  The big questions is whether or not they have a chance at hosting a sectional, and it seems likely they will not, all things considered.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 28, 2010, 01:02:10 PM
Quote from: howardjp on February 28, 2010, 09:24:36 AM
Today's Boston Globe notes that Brandeis defeated NYU and thus clinched the #2 seed for the UAA tournament - :)

Look forward to their coverage of this exciting event.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend!

H

Is Johns Hopkins hosting it next weekend?  (LOL)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 28, 2010, 03:31:33 PM
Perhaps Professor Lelchuk's fictional "Cardozo College" ...from his book about a university near Boston named for a great Jewish Supreme Court Justice.

H

PS - Kudos to John Weldon for some really nice shooting the last two games ...and what is up with Kenny Small?

Is Johns Hopkins hosting it next weekend?  (LOL)


Quote from: deiscanton on February 28, 2010, 01:02:10 PM
Quote from: howardjp on February 28, 2010, 09:24:36 AM
Today's Boston Globe notes that Brandeis defeated NYU and thus clinched the #2 seed for the UAA tournament - :)

Look forward to their coverage of this exciting event.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend!

H
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 28, 2010, 04:25:30 PM
With games to be played at Ruth Bader Ginsburg Arena on Stephen Breyer Court...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 28, 2010, 04:32:20 PM
Quote from: howardjp on February 28, 2010, 09:24:36 AM
Today's Boston Globe notes that Brandeis defeated NYU and thus clinched the #2 seed for the UAA tournament

I am trying to decide whether poor coverage is better than no coverage at all.  The St. Louis Post-Dispatch had nothing more than the box score.  Probably about equal.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 28, 2010, 06:04:57 PM

I am trying to decide whether poor coverage is better than no coverage at all.  The St. Louis Post-Dispatch had nothing more than the box score.  Probably about equal.
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Wow! You get box scores? :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on February 28, 2010, 09:57:27 PM
Wash U has landed another stud from the Chicago area...

http://www.chicagohoops.com/articles1/klimek.html

http://ilprepbullseye.com/page8.html


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 01, 2010, 10:16:17 AM
NCAA brackets announced at 9:56 AM Eastern to 10:10 AM Eastern

First and second rounds March 5 and 6

Brandeis is travelling to Rochester, NY for first and second round action

St. John Fisher is hosting the pod that Brandeis will be travelling to.

Brandeis plays St. Lawrence in the first round on Friday at St. John Fisher in Pittsford, NY  (Rochester suburb).

St John Fisher plays Brooklyn in the other first round game with the winners to face each other on Saturday.


Wash U is hosting a pod

Wash U will play Westminister (MO) in the first round

The other first round game at the Wash U Field House will be Illinois Wesleyan vs Central (Iowa).

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2010, 10:20:11 AM
Bracket: http://www.d3boards.com/playoffs/mbb-bracket2010.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 01, 2010, 10:21:02 AM
Good luck to both the Bears and the Judges!  Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pradam on March 01, 2010, 10:55:09 AM
Haven't been following as much this year since I'm out of college, but can anyone tell me how good St. John's Fisher is?  I'm guessing Brandeis should beat St. Lawrence pretty easily (crossing fingers!), which is why I ask.

If I'm off base here, let me know. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on March 01, 2010, 02:37:53 PM
Quote from: pradam on March 01, 2010, 10:55:09 AM
Haven't been following as much this year since I'm out of college, but can anyone tell me how good St. John's Fisher is?  I'm guessing Brandeis should beat St. Lawrence pretty easily (crossing fingers!), which is why I ask.

If I'm off base here, let me know. 

U of R beat Fisher in the Wendy's (Chase) Challenge in January by 5-6.  UR has been anything but consistent this year and the cast of characters has changed over the season, but my guess is that Brandeis/Fisher, if it happens, will be a good game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 01, 2010, 04:09:51 PM
1) The Klimek kid is apparently a true stud. My sources tell me he could be a starter from the get-go. If you look at Wash.U is losing, that really isn't terribly surprising. And Edwards has never been reluctant to play guys their freshman year. Nading, Smith, Thompson, O'Boyle, Ruths, and Wallis all started or saw significant minutes their freshman season.

2) Pleased with the draw but worried about IWU. They always play Wash.U. well and the law of averages figures to work in their favor at some point. Also, Wash.U. students will not be on campus due to Spring Break. This effectively offsets any meaningful home court advantage, since the vast majority of WU's fan base is its kids. They may be there Friday, but by Saturday, the place will be empty, a huge bummer considering the way IWU travels. Wash.U. will certainyl draw some community members and a large family/friends contingent of players, but the Field House is truly a home court advantage when the students are there and that will not be the case this time around. There will be less students there Saturday than there were in Salem last year if I had to make a prediction.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 01, 2010, 05:40:03 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 01, 2010, 04:09:51 PM
2) Pleased with the draw but worried about IWU. They always play Wash.U. well and the law of averages figures to work in their favor at some point. Also, Wash.U. students will not be on campus due to Spring Break. This effectively offsets any meaningful home court advantage, since the vast majority of WU's fan base is its kids. They may be there Friday, but by Saturday, the place will be empty, a huge bummer considering the way IWU travels. Wash.U. will certainly draw some community members and a large family/friends contingent of players, but the Field House is truly a home court advantage when the students are there and that will not be the case this time around. There will be less students there Saturday than there were in Salem last year if I had to make a prediction.

You are usually so glass is half full.

The CCIW-affiliated posters, who all know more than I do, will break this game down in so many ways, left right, up down, quantitatively and qualitatively, so there is not much that I need to say but I will say this:

Home court is home court.  I am sure that many students will leave on Saturday, but a few will be here.  The parents, friends, faculty, staff and community will be here.  It all makes a difference.  I would even suggest that the little things, like the announcer yelling AT for three gets the team going.  This is our house: we do not sell Beer Nuts.

The Bears obviously know Illinois Weslyan well, and should match-up well after competing in the UAA for several weeks.  It will be a tough game that may very well come down to the wire, but the Bears have been playing so well through the high pressure situations.  And, everyone has been playing well lately.

I am sure that the team is not looking past Westminster though.  I expect two very good games this weekend with Washington University advancing.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 01, 2010, 07:57:15 PM
All time series record: IWU 16, WashU 10. 8-)

While I wasn't there, reports say that a few years ago the Bears' students were on break and IWU fans made up about 3/4 of the attendance.  Could that be the year we came to StL with WU ranked #2 in the country (and IWU unranked) and came away with the NCAA tourney victory? :D

Aw, forget the 'trash talk' - neither team will underestimate the other (nor the teams they have to beat in order to meet).  IWU and WashU did not develop their tournament pedigrees by taking anything for granted (OR by being intimidated).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on March 01, 2010, 08:15:55 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 01, 2010, 07:57:15 PM

Aw, forget the 'trash talk' - neither team will underestimate the other (nor the teams they have to beat in order to meet). 

Yes, don't forget IWU has to beat a Central team that both D3hoops.com and Massey Ratings say is better than the Titans.  No need to talk about a Wash U matchup until it's a reality.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 01, 2010, 11:29:17 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 01, 2010, 07:57:15 PM
Aw, forget the 'trash talk' - neither team will underestimate the other (nor the teams they have to beat in order to meet).

Your trash talk is always welcome here!  If it does work out that Washington University  plays Illinois Weslyan and the Titan fans outnumber the Bears fans, at least we will all be wearing green.

For those driving in to watch the game, Washington University has a website with all the relevant details for the weekend: http://bearsports.wustl.edu/releases/2010NCAARegional.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 02, 2010, 03:04:12 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 01, 2010, 07:57:15 PM
All time series record: IWU 16, WashU 10. 8-)

It will be interesting to see which school fares better in this year's dance, since their tournament winning percentages are currently identical at .684. IWU is 39-18, and Wash U is 26-12.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2010, 03:33:42 PM
Well, clearly IWU will since it has more tournament experience. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 02, 2010, 03:34:31 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2010, 03:33:42 PM
Well, clearly IWU will since it has more tournament experience. :)
:D

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on March 02, 2010, 04:04:26 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 02, 2010, 03:04:12 PM
It will be interesting to see which school fares better in this year's dance, since their tournament winning percentages are currently identical at .684. IWU is 39-18, and Wash U is 26-12.

IWU's Salem appearance lead over the Bears is also on the line during this year's tournament...

Final Four Appearances (Salem Era, 1995-96 through 2008-09)
Amherst 4 (2004, 2006, 2007, 2008) - NESCAC
Illinois Wesleyan  4 (1996, 1997, 2001, 2006) - CCIW
Williams 4 (1997, 1998, 2003, 2004) - NESCAC
Franklin & Marshall 3 (1996, 2000, 2009) - Centennial
Hope 3 (1996, 1998, 2008) - MIAA
Washington U. 3 (2007, 2008, 2009) - UAA
Calvin 2 (2000, 2005) - MIAA
Hampden-Sydney 2 (1999, 2003) - ODAC
Rochester 2 (2002, 2005) - UAA
UW-Platteville 2 (1998, 1999) - WIAC
UW-Stevens Point 2 (2004, 2005) - WIAC
Virginia Wesleyan 2 (2006, 2006) - ODAC
William Paterson 2 (1999, 2001) - NJAC
Wooster 2 (2003, 2007) - NCAC
Alvernia 1 (1997) - MACF
Carthage 1 (2002) - CCIW
Catholic 1 (2001) - LAND
Connecticut College 1 (1999) - NESCAC
Elizabethtown 1 (2002) - MACC
Guilford 1 (2009) - ODAC
Gustavus Adolphus 1 (2003) - MIAC
John Carroll 1 (2004) - OAC
Nebraska Wesleyan 1 (1997) - ind
Ohio Northern 1 (2001) - OAC
Otterbein 1 (2002) - OAC
Richard Stockton 1 (2009) - NJAC
Rowan 1 (1996) - NJAC
Salem St 1 (2000) - MASCAC
Ursinus 1 (2008) - Centennial
UW-Eau Claire 1 (2000) - WIAC
Wilkes 1 (1997) - MACF
Wittenberg 1 (2006) - NCAC
York (Pa) 1 (2005) – CAC
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 02, 2010, 04:23:50 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on March 01, 2010, 02:37:53 PM
Quote from: pradam on March 01, 2010, 10:55:09 AM
Haven't been following as much this year since I'm out of college, but can anyone tell me how good St. John's Fisher is?  I'm guessing Brandeis should beat St. Lawrence pretty easily (crossing fingers!), which is why I ask.

If I'm off base here, let me know. 

U of R beat Fisher in the Wendy's (Chase) Challenge in January by 5-6.  UR has been anything but consistent this year and the cast of characters has changed over the season, but my guess is that Brandeis/Fisher, if it happens, will be a good game.

Carnegie Mellon also played Fisher tough this year, although it was the first game of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 02, 2010, 04:43:27 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on March 02, 2010, 04:04:26 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 02, 2010, 03:04:12 PM
It will be interesting to see which school fares better in this year's dance, since their tournament winning percentages are currently identical at .684. IWU is 39-18, and Wash U is 26-12.

IWU's Salem appearance lead over the Bears is also on the line during this year's tournament...

Final Four Appearances (Salem Era, 1995-96 through 2008-09)
Amherst 4 (2004, 2006, 2007, 2008) - NESCAC
Illinois Wesleyan  4 (1996, 1997, 2001, 2006) - CCIW
Williams 4 (1997, 1998, 2003, 2004) - NESCAC
Franklin & Marshall 3 (1996, 2000, 2009) - Centennial
Hope 3 (1996, 1998, 2008) - MIAA
Washington U. 3 (2007, 2008, 2009) - UAA
Calvin 2 (2000, 2005) - MIAA
Hampden-Sydney 2 (1999, 2003) - ODAC
Rochester 2 (2002, 2005) - UAA
UW-Platteville 2 (1998, 1999) - WIAC
UW-Stevens Point 2 (2004, 2005) - WIAC
Virginia Wesleyan 2 (2006, 2006) - ODAC
William Paterson 2 (1999, 2001) - NJAC
Wooster 2 (2003, 2007) - NCAC
Alvernia 1 (1997) - MACF
Carthage 1 (2002) - CCIW
Catholic 1 (2001) - LAND
Connecticut College 1 (1999) - NESCAC
Elizabethtown 1 (2002) - MACC
Guilford 1 (2009) - ODAC
Gustavus Adolphus 1 (2003) - MIAC
John Carroll 1 (2004) - OAC
Nebraska Wesleyan 1 (1997) - ind
Ohio Northern 1 (2001) - OAC
Otterbein 1 (2002) - OAC
Richard Stockton 1 (2009) - NJAC
Rowan 1 (1996) - NJAC
Salem St 1 (2000) - MASCAC
Ursinus 1 (2008) - Centennial
UW-Eau Claire 1 (2000) - WIAC
Wilkes 1 (1997) - MACF
Wittenberg 1 (2006) - NCAC
York (Pa) 1 (2005) – CAC

In strictly historical terms, I don't think any CCIW school has more on the line in this tournament with regard to Wash U's fortunes than North Park. Right now my alma mater is the only school that has ever threepeated the D3 national championship in men's basketball, and, believe me, we Parkers would like to see it stay that way.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 02, 2010, 06:00:31 PM
UAA Men's All-Association Team
Mar 02, 2010
Press Release posted by UAA

2009-10 UAA Men's Basketball Honors
Player of the Year: Sean Wallis • Washington University
Rookie of the Year: John DiBartolomeo • University of Rochester

Co-Coaching Staffs of the Year: Emory University • Head Coach Jason Zimmerman,
Assistant Coaches Chris Murphy, Ben Wright

Washington University • Head Coach Mark Edwards,
Assistant Coaches Caleb Lawson, Buddy Sodemann

2009-10 UAA MEN'S ALL-ASSOCIATION BASKETBALL TEAM
FIRST TEAM
Austin Claunch Emory 5-9 G So. Cypress, TX (Strake Jesuit Prep)
Terrell Hollins Brandeis 6-4 F Sr. Springfield, MA (Longmeadow)
Keith Jensen NYU 6-4 F Sr. San Diego, CA (Rancho Bernardo)
Jake Pancratz Chicago 6-1 G Sr. Schaumburg, IL (Schaumburg)
Kenny Small Brandeis 6-0 G Sr. Stratford, CT (Stratford)
Aaron Thompson Washington 6-4 G Sr. Elida, OH (Elida)
Sean Wallis Washington 6-2 G Gr. Northbrook, IL (Glenbrook North) † POY

SECOND TEAM
Jack Anderson Carnegie Mellon 6-3 G Sr. Beaver Falls, PA (Beaver Falls)
Reid Anderson Case 6-6 G Jr. Avon Lake, OH (St. Edward)
John DiBartolomeo Rochester 5-11 G Fr. Westport, CT (Staples) † ROY
Bryan Erce Case 6-3 G Sr. Berwyn, IL (Morton West)
Spencer Gay Washington 6-6 F Jr. Dacula, GA (Mill Creek)
John Kinsella Chicago 6-4 F Sr. Chicago, IL (University High)
Nate Novosel Rochester 6-5 F So. Lexington, KY (Lexington Catholic)
Cameron Smith Washington 6-5 F Sr. Noblesville, IN (Noblesville)
Tom Summers Case 6-6 F So. Murrysville, PA (Franklin Regional)

HONORABLE MENTION
Brandeis: Tyrone Hughes, Andre Roberson; Case: Eric Duerr; Emory: Daniel Curtin, Chad Hixon; NYU: Andy Stein; Chicago: Steve Stefanou, Tom Williams; Rochester: Bill Serle.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 02, 2010, 06:27:37 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 01, 2010, 07:57:15 PM
While I wasn't there, reports say that a few years ago the Bears' students were on break and IWU fans made up about 3/4 of the attendance.  Could that be the year we came to StL with WU ranked #2 in the country (and IWU unranked) and came away with the NCAA tourney victory?

In trying to figure out if I attended this game (I started here in 2005 and have been going to games every since), I did look at previous year schedules, and it looks like the last time Illinois Weslyan beat Washington University was 2005-2006 during the regular season in St. Louis.  I do not remember a big crowd, so I assume your reference is to an even earlier game, but I missed a number of games that year, so that may explain things as well.

Unless the schedules are wrong, the only player on the team who would remember falling to Illinois Weslyan is Sean Wallis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on March 02, 2010, 07:05:20 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 02, 2010, 04:43:27 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on March 02, 2010, 04:04:26 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 02, 2010, 03:04:12 PM
It will be interesting to see which school fares better in this year's dance, since their tournament winning percentages are currently identical at .684. IWU is 39-18, and Wash U is 26-12.

IWU's Salem appearance lead over the Bears is also on the line during this year's tournament...

Final Four Appearances (Salem Era, 1995-96 through 2008-09)
Amherst 4 (2004, 2006, 2007, 2008) - NESCAC
Illinois Wesleyan  4 (1996, 1997, 2001, 2006) - CCIW
Williams 4 (1997, 1998, 2003, 2004) - NESCAC
Franklin & Marshall 3 (1996, 2000, 2009) - Centennial
Hope 3 (1996, 1998, 2008) - MIAA
Washington U. 3 (2007, 2008, 2009) - UAA
Calvin 2 (2000, 2005) - MIAA
Hampden-Sydney 2 (1999, 2003) - ODAC
Rochester 2 (2002, 2005) - UAA
UW-Platteville 2 (1998, 1999) - WIAC
UW-Stevens Point 2 (2004, 2005) - WIAC
Virginia Wesleyan 2 (2006, 2006) - ODAC
William Paterson 2 (1999, 2001) - NJAC
Wooster 2 (2003, 2007) - NCAC
Alvernia 1 (1997) - MACF
Carthage 1 (2002) - CCIW
Catholic 1 (2001) - LAND
Connecticut College 1 (1999) - NESCAC
Elizabethtown 1 (2002) - MACC
Guilford 1 (2009) - ODAC
Gustavus Adolphus 1 (2003) - MIAC
John Carroll 1 (2004) - OAC
Nebraska Wesleyan 1 (1997) - ind
Ohio Northern 1 (2001) - OAC
Otterbein 1 (2002) - OAC
Richard Stockton 1 (2009) - NJAC
Rowan 1 (1996) - NJAC
Salem St 1 (2000) - MASCAC
Ursinus 1 (2008) - Centennial
UW-Eau Claire 1 (2000) - WIAC
Wilkes 1 (1997) - MACF
Wittenberg 1 (2006) - NCAC
York (Pa) 1 (2005) – CAC

In strictly historical terms, I don't think any CCIW school has more on the line in this tournament with regard to Wash U's fortunes than North Park. Right now my alma mater is the only school that has ever threepeated the D3 national championship in men's basketball, and, believe me, we Parkers would like to see it stay that way.
And the Titan Nation would like to accommodate North Park and protect the CCIW ' s back!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on March 02, 2010, 07:23:05 PM
Quote from: WUH on March 02, 2010, 06:27:37 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 01, 2010, 07:57:15 PM
While I wasn't there, reports say that a few years ago the Bears' students were on break and IWU fans made up about 3/4 of the attendance.  Could that be the year we came to StL with WU ranked #2 in the country (and IWU unranked) and came away with the NCAA tourney victory?

In trying to figure out if I attended this game (I started here in 2005 and have been going to games every since), I did look at previous year schedules, and it looks like the last time Illinois Weslyan beat Washington University was 2005-2006 during the regular season in St. Louis.  I do not remember a big crowd, so I assume your reference is to an even earlier game, but I missed a number of games that year, so that may explain things as well.

Unless the schedules are wrong, the only player on the team who would remember falling to Illinois Weslyan is Sean Wallis.

He is referring to this game in the 2003 tournament...

http://www.iwu.edu/~iwunews/sports/mbb2003/Miwu27.htm

Coming in, Wash U was #2 and IWU #13.

To this day, that's the most incredible road crowd I've ever seen at an away D3 game.  About 2/3 of that crowd of 2190 was rooting for the Titans.  (Wash U was on spring break, which hurt their numbers...and that was before they developed the types of consistent, big crowds they have now anyway.)  It was such a factor, the Pantagraph led their game story off with it...

ST. LOUIS -- Illinois Wesleyan basketball coach Scott Trost claimed his team has the best fans in the country.

Proof disputing that assertion was hard to come by at WU Field House Saturday night where an over-caffeinated crowd of 2,190 was 65 percent green either in dress or affiliation.

The bedlam they generated lifted the Titans to a stunning, 85-73 upset of No. 2-nationally ranked Washington University in the second round of the NCAA Division III playoffs.


http://www.iwuhoops.com/2003notes.html#@washu


In the days leading up to the game, Wash U All-American (and one of the best D3 players I've ever seen) Chris Jeffries told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, "The circus is coming to town."  (Referring to IWU's crowd.)  
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on March 02, 2010, 07:28:35 PM
Quote from: WUH on March 02, 2010, 06:27:37 PM

In trying to figure out if I attended this game (I started here in 2005 and have been going to games every since), I did look at previous year schedules, and it looks like the last time Illinois Weslyan beat Washington University was 2005-2006 during the regular season in St. Louis.  I do not remember a big crowd, so I assume your reference is to an even earlier game, but I missed a number of games that year, so that may explain things as well.

Unless the schedules are wrong, the only player on the team who would remember falling to Illinois Weslyan is Sean Wallis.

Right.  The last time IWU beat Wash U was the 2005-06 season, when IWU was #1 and Wash U was rebuilding with the likes of youngsters Sean Wallis, Tyler Nading, and Troy Ruths.

http://www.iwu.edu/~iwunews/sports/mbb2006/miwu6.htm
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 02, 2010, 07:29:55 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on March 02, 2010, 07:23:05 PM
Quote from: WUH on March 02, 2010, 06:27:37 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 01, 2010, 07:57:15 PM
While I wasn't there, reports say that a few years ago the Bears' students were on break and IWU fans made up about 3/4 of the attendance.  Could that be the year we came to StL with WU ranked #2 in the country (and IWU unranked) and came away with the NCAA tourney victory?

In trying to figure out if I attended this game (I started here in 2005 and have been going to games every since), I did look at previous year schedules, and it looks like the last time Illinois Weslyan beat Washington University was 2005-2006 during the regular season in St. Louis.  I do not remember a big crowd, so I assume your reference is to an even earlier game, but I missed a number of games that year, so that may explain things as well.

Unless the schedules are wrong, the only player on the team who would remember falling to Illinois Weslyan is Sean Wallis.

He is referring to this game in the 2003 tournament...

http://www.iwu.edu/~iwunews/sports/mbb2003/Miwu27.htm

Coming in, Wash U was #2 and IWU #13.

To this day, that's the most incredible road crowd I've ever seen at an away D3 game.  About 2/3 of that crowd of 2190 was rooting for the Titans.  (Wash U was on spring break, which hurt their numbers...and that was before they developed the types of consistent, big crowds they have now anyway.)  It was such a factor, the Pantagraph led their game story off with it...

ST. LOUIS -- Illinois Wesleyan basketball coach Scott Trost claimed his team has the best fans in the country.

Proof disputing that assertion was hard to come by at WU Field House Saturday night where an over-caffeinated crowd of 2,190 was 65 percent green either in dress or affiliation.

The bedlam they generated lifted the Titans to a stunning, 85-73 upset of No. 2-nationally ranked Washington University in the second round of the NCAA Division III playoffs.


http://www.iwuhoops.com/2003notes.html#@washu


In the days leading up to the game, Wash U All-American (and one of the best D3 players I've ever seen) Chris Jeffries told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, "The circus is coming to town."  (Referring to IWU's crowd.)  

That would be the one.  I forgot that IWU was even ranked at all.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 02, 2010, 11:38:28 PM
The 2190 there that night probably was on the low side too. Since WU's student union purchases a block of tickets, it's hard to count those students who walk in. Also, there are a number of ways to get into the field house without getting a ticket punches. When Wash.U. played Fontbonne in 2007, the reported attendance was something like 1500, yet I've never seen the place anywhere close to as crowded. It was almost full in the upper deck and anyone who knows the field house knows there were at a bare minimum 2200 there that night.

Unfortunately, I think things at WU could return to their pre 2007 ways once this crew leaves. It takes a lot to generate serious interest for d3 hoops at a major research university in a city with ample professional sports options and a well supported D1 team right down the road. The fact that the school draws from such a national base of students doesn't help either since, unfortunately, regional rivalry games with great CCIW opponents lack appeal for kids from the coasts who aren't die hard hoops fans.

The current senior class is active around campus and got a lot of non-athletes (usual fan base for the school is fellow athletes) hooked, but that might fade. Then again, I'm two years removed from campus life, so the case may be otherwise. I hope it is, but my sense is that it's faded a tad as the novelty of a national championship team has warn off.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 03, 2010, 04:42:03 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on March 02, 2010, 07:23:05 PM

He is referring to this game in the 2003 tournament...

http://www.iwu.edu/~iwunews/sports/mbb2003/Miwu27.htm

Coming in, Wash U was #2 and IWU #13.

To this day, that's the most incredible road crowd I've ever seen at an away D3 game.  About 2/3 of that crowd of 2190 was rooting for the Titans.  (Wash U was on spring break, which hurt their numbers...and that was before they developed the types of consistent, big crowds they have now anyway.)  It was such a factor, the Pantagraph led their game story off with it...

ST. LOUIS -- Illinois Wesleyan basketball coach Scott Trost claimed his team has the best fans in the country.

Proof disputing that assertion was hard to come by at WU Field House Saturday night where an over-caffeinated crowd of 2,190 was 65 percent green either in dress or affiliation.

The bedlam they generated lifted the Titans to a stunning, 85-73 upset of No. 2-nationally ranked Washington University in the second round of the NCAA Division III playoffs.


http://www.iwuhoops.com/2003notes.html#@washu


In the days leading up to the game, Wash U All-American (and one of the best D3 players I've ever seen) Chris Jeffries told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, "The circus is coming to town."  (Referring to IWU's crowd.)  

That was a memorable night, both for the crowd and the basketball.  Only students were allowed to sit in the floor sections, and the large number of non-student IWU supporters were sent upstairs.  I believe Chris Jeffries' phrase was "traveling circus," because as IWU established a lead everyone around us was chanting it.  That was my first year watching D3, and I've still never seen a better player than Jeffries or a better game. 

IWU's crowd is down a bit these days, too, so while I'd like to predict the same "overcaffeinated" traveling circus will show up, I doubt it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jagluski on March 03, 2010, 09:17:08 AM
Quote from: WUH on March 02, 2010, 06:27:37 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 01, 2010, 07:57:15 PM
While I wasn't there, reports say that a few years ago the Bears' students were on break and IWU fans made up about 3/4 of the attendance.  Could that be the year we came to StL with WU ranked #2 in the country (and IWU unranked) and came away with the NCAA tourney victory?

In trying to figure out if I attended this game (I started here in 2005 and have been going to games every since), I did look at previous year schedules, and it looks like the last time Illinois Weslyan beat Washington University was 2005-2006 during the regular season in St. Louis.  I do not remember a big crowd, so I assume your reference is to an even earlier game, but I missed a number of games that year, so that may explain things as well.

Unless the schedules are wrong, the only player on the team who would remember falling to Illinois Weslyan is Sean Wallis.

This did happen (I remember it very well), although it was while I was in school...it was the year Wash U was #1 or #2 and Chris Jeffries, Jarriot Rook, Dustin Tylka, et al were seniors in 2003.  And yes, IWU fans were the majority of the crowd that day.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 03, 2010, 09:48:56 AM
Quote from: jagluski on March 03, 2010, 09:17:08 AM
This did happen (I remember it very well), although it was while I was in school...it was the year Wash U was #1 or #2 and Chris Jeffries, Jarriot Rook, Dustin Tylka, et al were seniors in 2003.  And yes, IWU fans were the majority of the crowd that day.

I did not question whether or not it happened, just curious if any of the current players experienced the game.  And, the answer is no.  My last remark is in regards the fact only one player, Sean Wallis, knows the feeling of losing to the Titans.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 03, 2010, 03:28:13 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 02, 2010, 11:38:28 PM
Unfortunately, I think things at WU could return to their pre 2007 ways once this crew leaves. It takes a lot to generate serious interest for d3 hoops at a major research university in a city with ample professional sports options and a well supported D1 team right down the road.

The current senior class is active around campus and got a lot of non-athletes (usual fan base for the school is fellow athletes) hooked, but that might fade. Then again, I'm two years removed from campus life, so the case may be otherwise. I hope it is, but my sense is that it's faded a tad as the novelty of a national championship team has warn off.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you on this.  I do think that the novelty of the national championships did start to wear off this year, and that was especially noticeable during the non-conference games.  In particular, I noticed a drop off in a particular type of fan that I refer to as the cruiser.  This is the see and be seen fan that spends much of the game walking around, flirting and talking to other students, before moving on to an off-campus party or bar.

Other fans types have dropped off as well.  Red Alert is all but dead (I think!), though obviously the diehards from that group do make it out.  Faculty and staff may have dropped off a little as well.

The athletes are there, as are the diehards such as the Bomb Squad.  The parents, of course.  And, student attendance is relatively strong for now.

I do think you make an interesting point about how this class has helped bring in the crowds as well.  The personalities on the floor do matter, directly and indirectly.  I will be back next year, but I know it will be harder to get my wife back in the stands when she only knows of three players in the starting lineup.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2010, 03:44:14 PM
It's all relative, though. Wash U has about 6,000 undergraduates. The typical D3 school in the Midwest Region has somewhere between 1,000 and 2,500 undergraduates (Westminster, Wash U's Friday night opponent, has fewer than 900). Percentage-wise, Wash U can draw less than half as well from its undergrads than its regional rivals and still provide what will be perceived as an overwhelming number of student fans.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 03, 2010, 03:55:53 PM
After this year I will have to change my moniker on D3Hoops.com.  I don't know who will be wearing #33 next year.  As a Bluffton grad and since I use a Bluffton pic someone suggested BeaverFan as my new name after this season ends.  I certainly hope it ends with another successful trip to Salem but regardless it has been a great four years watching the Bears.  Wash U will be on my ever growing list of teams that I try to maintain awareness of via coaches, student athletes, etc., in the future.  My son attends Case and he and his friends have little to any awareness of Case athletics.  Wash U students seem to care a bit more than Case students at least.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 03, 2010, 04:30:10 PM
Quote from: WashU33Fan on March 03, 2010, 03:55:53 PM
I don't know who will be wearing #33 next year. 

Maybe they will retire No. 33.  ;) That would be perfectly fine with me.  I would bet that you will watch at least a few games next year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 03, 2010, 05:37:49 PM
Quote from: WUH on March 03, 2010, 04:30:10 PM
Quote from: WashU33Fan on March 03, 2010, 03:55:53 PM
I don't know who will be wearing #33 next year. 

Maybe they will retire No. 33.  ;) That would be perfectly fine with me.  I would bet that you will watch at least a few games next year.

That would be great and no doubt on the catching a few games on the internet.  I sometimes have all three of my computers with a video stream or two going with additional livestats windows open for a few other games on each.  HCAC, OAC, NCAC, UAA, Macalester, SUNY-Geneseo, Albion, some ODAC, and I'm sure I have missed some.  I keep hoping that Bluffton could play in the Lopata sometime.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 05, 2010, 10:45:23 PM
2:07 left, Thompson fouls out, Westminster within 3.

Looks like WashU will pull it out: up 6 with 24 seconds and shooting FTs.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 06, 2010, 12:28:37 AM
Westminster is as good as the record would suggest.  The Blue Jays gave the Bears everything they could handle.  A team of sharp shooters.  Not the type of team that the Bears have been playing for the last several weeks.

Offensively and defensively, the Bears are more sophisticated.  But Westminster shot lights out, particularly in the first half, and ran with the Bears all night long.  One of the best offensive teams to visit the Field House this year.

In the end, the Blue Jays had the best seats in the house to the Sean Wallis Show!  Wallis has proved time and time again that he could take over the game and that happened tonight.  Great all around.  

Fouls and free throw shooting (again) were an issue.  Aaron Thompson went 0-5 from three point range and fouled out, including a foul from three point range.  May have been a first.  Or possibly second.  Spencer Gay had a good game, but was saddled with fouls early, finishing with four.  Zach Kelly with maybe his best game of the season.  Richter, sporting a Chism-style headband yet again, and Cameron Smith with great efforts.  The three pointer by Smith may have been one of the most important plays of the game.

Next up: Illinois Weslyan at 7:00 CST.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 06, 2010, 02:46:57 AM
AT has now fouled out of two game in his career.  Tough tourney opening win for the Bears.  IWU and Wash U will be another hard fought contest for both teams.  Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on March 06, 2010, 04:20:36 PM
Got an e-mail from a friend today who went to St John Fisher, made a friendly bet ...kudos to the school for their video feed, still waiting for the Judges to reach the 21st century in terms of technology but rooting for them anyway! :)

Good luck to all tonight.

H
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 06, 2010, 07:21:30 PM
I'm still looking for St John Fisher to reach the 21st century in video technology, myself .:)

Their video stream is not working-- I've been listening to the WBRS audio to follow the game.  Jeff Pickette doing a great job on the play by play tonight.

Brandeis women's basketball team doing a great job on the cheerleading tonight for the men.  They travelled with the men's team to support them this weekend.

Go Judges!

Update:  Brandeis up 35-27 at the half. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 06, 2010, 08:45:47 PM
On to the Sweet 16--

Brandeis women's team made their presence felt tonight in support of the men as the Judges advance for the second time to the Sweet 16 under Coach Meehan-- First time that the Judges have done it by winning two road games in the Meehan era.

This is also the second time in the Meehan era that Brandeis has defeated a host team in the NCAA DIII Tournament.

Brandeis plays RI College on Friday-- Site most likely to be Chandler Gym in Williamstown, MA, as Williams also defeated UMaine-Farmington to advance.   Site will be officially announced tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 06, 2010, 09:51:37 PM
There will be a new national champion this year, as Illinois Wesleyan has just knocked Wash U out of the tournament.

Brandeis is the UAA's sole representative in the Sweet 16 on the men's side this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 06, 2010, 09:55:26 PM
Congrats to IWU on a great win.  I am so very proud of my nephew Aaron.  The Bears and their fans are the best.  Good luck to all of them in their future.  The seniors have had a great run and should not hang their heads.  God Bless! WashU33fan signing off.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on March 07, 2010, 12:20:50 AM
They had some problems with transmissions on Friday too, but at least they had something ...

Anyway, no matter, congratulations to the Judges on moving forward and congratulations to the Wash U seniors for all their successes.


=deiscanton link=topic=639.msg1187008#msg1187008 date=1267921290]
I'm still looking for St John Fisher to reach the 21st century in video technology, myself .:)

Their video stream is not working-- I've been listening to the WBRS audio to follow the game.  Jeff Pickette doing a great job on the play by play tonight.

Brandeis women's basketball team doing a great job on the cheerleading tonight for the men.  They travelled with the men's team to support them this weekend.

Go Judges!

Update:  Brandeis up 35-27 at the half. 
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 07, 2010, 03:27:24 PM
I have a lot of things to say about the game last night, but I think I will skip it all and just say: thanks to the team, coaching staff, support staff, parents, and everyone else involved with the team.

One of my favorite psychology professors has a simple theory that the pursuit of happiness is about making memories and for this fan, you have helped me make some memories that will truly last a lifetime. 

To the senior class, you have all done more in your basketball career than most players could ever dream of.  I have no doubt that you will all go on to do great things off the court.  To everyone else, you have got a lot to build on for next year.

Go Bears!
_____

Best of luck to the Brandeis Judges!  You know you can beat the best.  Its time to play like it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 07, 2010, 04:22:17 PM
Thanks for the support, WUH.

Congrats to the Wash U seniors for their terrific career.   Two straight national championships is a fine accomplishment.

Now, my Judges have to carry the ball for the UAA to win another national championship.   Brandeis will do their best next weekend to get to Salem, VA.   They should be arriving back from Rochester any time now if they haven't done so already since they left Rochester earlier today for the 6 to 6 1/2 hour bus ride back to Waltham-- one side effect of the NCAA not paying for flights to games in the postseason unless the teams are over 500 miles away. 

If Brandeis can arrange for my transportation, I would love to go see Brandeis in person in Williamstown, MA this weekend-- if I have to choose one game, I would want to attend the Elite Eight game vs Williams should Brandeis defeat RI College on Friday.  (I want to not be forced to book a hotel unless Brandeis is playing at the Salem Civic Center in Salem, VA this year.)   However, I will watch Brandeis on video for sectionals if I have to do so.  (I know that the video stream should be working next weekend,  unlike the St. John Fisher feed-- and don't worry St. John Fisher-- I accept your apology for not having a working video stream.)

PS-- Now that we are in sectionals, does NCAA TV take over for all video streaming now with D3Hoops.com personnel doing play by play and commentary on the streams except for the national title game-- for which the NCAA simulcast streams the CBS College Sports video telecast? (D3Hoops.com personnel only works an audio stream for the national title game).   Just wondering.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2010, 04:40:03 PM
The NCAA won't be doing all four sectionals. Initial indications are they will be doing video at two sectionals in men's and two in women's, like last year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 07, 2010, 05:22:54 PM
It will be interesting to see which two sectionals on both the men's and women's sides the NCAA will pick.  I hope that all the sectionals will get video streamed this weekend, even if the NCAA is not directly involved in the production of all of those video streams.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2010, 06:00:53 PM
I would say we are in a good position to ensure that that happens.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on March 07, 2010, 11:09:21 PM
So what does Wash U's lineup look like next year?  I think the frontcourt is solid...

G -
G -
F - Dylan Richter
F - Spencer Gay
C - Alex Toth

Is the backcourt of the future on the roster, or will recruits step in?  This year Wash U barely played any PG/SG players off the bench...just Ross Kelley.  (I consider Richter a 3.)  So it's hard to figure out if the answer is on the roster.  I do think the Hoener kid will good a good PG down the road.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 07, 2010, 11:23:56 PM
Knepper may play one of the forward spots, with Richter serving as a sort-of 2/3. PG spot is wide open. The recently signed Chicago kid may step in and start right away from what people are telling me.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on March 08, 2010, 07:44:26 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 07, 2010, 11:23:56 PM
Knepper may play one of the forward spots, with Richter serving as a sort-of 2/3. PG spot is wide open. The recently signed Chicago kid may step in and start right away from what people are telling me.

Chris Klimek is a combo forward (3/4), so will be interesting where they fit him in based on returning players.  I might be tempted to go...

F - Richter
F - Klimek
F - Gay

I do not see Richter as a 2 at all...I don't think he handles the ball well enough on offense, and don't think he's quick enough on defense (I don't see him being able to guard a guy like IWU's Sean Johnson or similar 2's).  With Richter as a 2, the Bears would only have one guy on the floor who can dribble the basketball (the PG).

Wash U has a ton of talent ready to step in, and I'm sure they'll land a bunch of good recruits this year.  By January 2011, I'll bet they are a good team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 08, 2010, 02:11:25 PM
TitanQ,
I wish I were as confident as you. I will be pleased if the Bears go 16-9 or even 15-10 next year. They lose so much it's almost hard to fathom how the team identity will emerge. Knepper needs to improve a ton on the defensive end if he wants to crack the starting line-up, Toth needs to avoid foul trouble, and Richter needs to find a position that meshes with the team's needs/positional constraints. Gay is a lock for the starting 5, but other than that, it's all up in the air. Toth and Richter are also likely, but Klimek is supposed to be a big time player and Edwards has never been averse to starting freshman. Should be very interesting. The freshman big man Burnett figures to see a lot of minutes as well. Word out right now is that for now, the pg spot is Seymour's to lose.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 08, 2010, 02:49:05 PM
I know we have one team left in the tournament, so it is premature to talk big picture conference details, but anyone care to comment on how good the UAA might be in 2010-2001?

I have seen comments here suggesting that the UAA is down this year.  Massey has the conference in fourth for what that is worth, significantly down the ratings from the obvious powers (WIAC, MIAC and CCIW).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 08, 2010, 03:56:14 PM
Quote from: WUH on March 08, 2010, 02:49:05 PM
I know we have one team left in the tournament, so it is premature to talk big picture conference details, but anyone care to comment on how good the UAA might be in 2010-2001?

I have seen comments here suggesting that the UAA is down this year.  Massey has the conference in fourth for what that is worth, significantly down the ratings from the obvious powers (WIAC, MIAC and CCIW).

I wouldn't call the MIAC an "obvious power." It had a very good non-conference record this season, but not a stratospheric one -- and because the league is so large, its teams play a pretty limited non-con schedule. My take on the MIAC's Massey rating is that it got a lot of reflected glory from playing a bunch of games against WIAC teams.

Also, while I put more stock in overall non-con records than in tourney performance to measure a league's comparative worth in a single season (because it's a bigger database), the fact that the MIAC went 0-2 and bowed out in the first round this past weekend is telling ... even though both losses were close ones.

I think that the ODAC is the up-and-coming league in D3. It's a legitimate "obvious power" now, along with the WIAC, CCIW, UAA, and NESCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: r-buddy on March 08, 2010, 06:11:42 PM
Titan Q, you are usually right on target but this time I'm not sure about your comments on Dylan Richter.  He may be quicker than you think.  Whether he can defend most 2 guards may depend more on whether he wants to play that position than on his physical ability.  Regarding ball handling, you're right that it's important, but not sure we've seen enough to judge.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on March 08, 2010, 06:59:44 PM
Quote from: r-buddy on March 08, 2010, 06:11:42 PM
Titan Q, you are usually right on target but this time I'm not sure about your comments on Dylan Richter.  He may be quicker than you think.  Whether he can defend most 2 guards may depend more on whether he wants to play that position than on his physical ability.  Regarding ball handling, you're right that it's important, but not sure we've seen enough to judge.

I'll concede that I haven't really seen Richter play enough to be sure.  This weekend, my impression was that Richter is becoming a bigger, bulkier "forward-type" player, as opposed to someone who can chase shooting guards around.  And I just don't think he handles it as well as a guard has to (he does fine as a 3 or 4).

I guess we'll see.  I could be way off.

PS  That headband has to go...that's a bad look.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 08, 2010, 09:44:49 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 08, 2010, 03:56:14 PM
I wouldn't call the MIAC an "obvious power." It had a very good non-conference record this season, but not a stratospheric one -- and because the league is so large, its teams play a pretty limited non-con schedule. My take on the MIAC's Massey rating is that it got a lot of reflected glory from playing a bunch of games against WIAC teams.

Maybe historical power would have been a better descriptor.  I referenced the Massey Ratings as a point of discussion to hopefully draw people in, not to discuss the other leagues, but thanks for the details.  I wish I had more time and energy, not to mention practical wisdom, to know all these things.  Maybe in a few years.  Back to my original thought: do you have any thoughts on the UAA next year?  You follow the University of Chicago.  I do believe that this is a better team than the record would suggest.  What do you think?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 08, 2010, 10:27:20 PM
Quote from: WUH on March 08, 2010, 09:44:49 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 08, 2010, 03:56:14 PM
I wouldn't call the MIAC an "obvious power." It had a very good non-conference record this season, but not a stratospheric one -- and because the league is so large, its teams play a pretty limited non-con schedule. My take on the MIAC's Massey rating is that it got a lot of reflected glory from playing a bunch of games against WIAC teams.

Maybe historical power would have been a better descriptor.  I referenced the Massey Ratings as a point of discussion to hopefully draw people in, not to discuss the other leagues, but thanks for the details.

The MIAC's not a historical power, either. Only three MIAC teams have ever reached the Final Four in the 36-year history of D3, and none of them won the national title. And in a lot of previous years the league has found itself south of .500 in non-conference play (the creation of the UMAC, a lower-tier league of mostly Minnesota schools that is filled with a lot of cannon fodder that has recently been folded into the D3 ranks, has helped the MIAC's non-con fortunes considerably). The MIAC should be considered a middle-tier D3 league, both historically and presently.

Quote from: WUH on March 08, 2010, 09:44:49 PMBack to my original thought: do you have any thoughts on the UAA next year?  You follow the University of Chicago.  I do believe that this is a better team than the record would suggest.  What do you think?

I'm of the same mind as Hugenerd with regard to the UAA. Aside from Wash U and Brandeis, I think it's a young league that isn't losing much of a senior class; it'll be tougher and more competitive next season. As for the Maroons, they'll miss their veteran backcourt of Pancratz and Kinsella next year. But I think that even this year the strength of the team was its sophomore big men, Williams and Stefanou. With a healthy Michael Sustarsic back to run the point next year, Chicago could be pretty formidable. I think that Mike McGrath is going to have to find some wing players who can step into the lineup and keep opposing defenses honest rather than allow them to collapse upon Williams and Stefanou at will, though.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: John Gleich on March 08, 2010, 11:00:24 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 08, 2010, 03:56:14 PM
I wouldn't call the MIAC an "obvious power." It had a very good non-conference record this season, but not a stratospheric one -- and because the league is so large, its teams play a pretty limited non-con schedule. My take on the MIAC's Massey rating is that it got a lot of reflected glory from playing a bunch of games against WIAC teams.

I wonder if it's by virtue of the 4-6 record against the WIAC...  .400 is the best winning percentage for any conference not named the HCAC (Anderson beat Platteville in an out of region game).  

Now, it just so happened that the 4 wins were upper tier MIAC teams versus lower tier (St. John beat Oshkosh and Eau Claire, St Thomas beat River Falls, and Augsburg beat RF too... )  but even so, I think the MIAC was weighted higher because of it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 09, 2010, 01:38:53 AM
Case and Rochester will both be quite good. Summers and Andersen form a real nice nucleus at Case and it might finally be their year to compete at the highest level in the UAA. The tides are really going to change next year in conference. The overwhelming favorite on paper right now is U of R which essentially everyone from this year's 15-10 team. If Vegas were to set odds now for UAA final standings, it'd look like this.

1) U of R
2) Case
3) Wash.U
4) NYU
5) Deis
6) U of C
7) Emory
8) Carnegie

That said, 2-7 could be separated by 2-3 games total. I think U of R runs away with it, but everyone else is in the hunt. Lots of parity. If Wash.U doesn't find a serviceable point guard by mid season, they would fall as far as 6th or 7th. If they find one they could make a run at second.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on March 09, 2010, 05:24:01 AM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 09, 2010, 01:38:53 AM
Case and Rochester will both be quite good. Summers and Andersen form a real nice nucleus at Case and it might finally be their year to compete at the highest level in the UAA. The tides are really going to change next year in conference. The overwhelming favorite on paper right now is U of R which essentially everyone from this year's 15-10 team. If Vegas were to set odds now for UAA final standings, it'd look like this.

1) U of R
2) Case
3) Wash.U
4) NYU
5) Deis
6) U of C
7) Emory
8) Carnegie

That said, 2-7 could be separated by 2-3 games total. I think U of R runs away with it, but everyone else is in the hunt. Lots of parity. If Wash.U doesn't find a serviceable point guard by mid season, they would fall as far as 6th or 7th. If they find one they could make a run at second.

Not sure that UofR will return a lot of guys.  Core should be strong with last 2 UAA ROY's, but Searle and Moncrief have transferred out and several others are done as well.  That's on top of the 4 who left during the season and 2 seniors leaving. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 09, 2010, 11:00:09 AM
Wow. Did not realize about the loss of those two players due to transfer. They are key ingredients and I will have to amend my conference projections accordingly.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 09, 2010, 02:06:21 PM
I could not have been more wrong about my prediction of Brandeis's success this season.  The Brandeis men's team has made me a goat-- but I am a very proud goat as to where Brandeis has come from and where Brandeis is going.   Here is what I said going into the season:

Quote from: deiscanton on November 06, 2009, 01:05:35 PM


My initial impression of this year's Brandeis men's roster does not make me very optimistic of overall long term success this season (defined as a deep NCAA run based on previous seasons in addition to a high finish in the UAA)-- I never like going into a UAA season with only 10 players on the team,  no matter how talented the core players are.


I am very glad that my initial impression has been proven wrong.

If success is not a Sweet 16 appearance with a realistic chance of going into the Elite Eight on Friday (and maybe going even further than that....) and a second place finish in the UAA, then I don't know what success is.   Well done, Judges-- well done.

(Note:  reference to goat is a figure of speech-- not literal reference)

By the way, this article has not yet been put up on the What We're reading section-- so here is the Waltham Daily News Tribune article (from the February 9, 2010 edition) as it relates to Brandeis going into the weekend:

http://www.dailynewstribune.com/sports/x2096605543/Brandeis-mens-basketball-team-eyes-benchmark-success

(Updated-- modified to reflect date of article)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on March 12, 2010, 06:10:38 PM
Anybody getting a video feed of the Brandeis-URI game?  I keep getting an "unavailable" message ...

Oh well, there's always 'BRS radio
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on March 12, 2010, 06:32:35 PM
I am getting unavailable too ... sheesh.  If someone could let the powers that be know if they are there, that would be great!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on March 12, 2010, 06:35:22 PM
I sent a message to CBS College Sports via their "help" page, so we'll see ....nothing yet.


Quote from: nescac1 on March 12, 2010, 06:32:35 PM
I am getting unavailable too ... sheesh.  If someone could let the powers that be know if they are there, that would be great!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on March 12, 2010, 06:45:43 PM
I called ... they are aware of tech difficulties from that location, and are working on it. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on March 12, 2010, 06:48:00 PM
Thanks, it was a good first half, and hopefully we can get some video for a barnburner down the stretch ...


Quote from: nescac1 on March 12, 2010, 06:45:43 PM
I called ... they are aware of tech difficulties from that location, and are working on it. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on March 12, 2010, 06:53:23 PM
We have service!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on March 12, 2010, 07:44:12 PM
Brandeis 76, RIC 65, now it's up to Williams ... let's have an all-Massachusetts sectional final!

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 12, 2010, 07:50:47 PM
On to the Elite Eight for the Judges!

I gave up waiting for the video problems to be fixed-- I listened to the WBRS audio call of the game.   At least I should be able to watch the Williams v SUNYIT game coming up.

I hope that there will be no video problems tomorrow-- yeah, this is the 3rd Brandeis game in a row that we have had video problems-- first with St John Fisher last weekend, now with the NCAA tonight....This is getting frustrating.

Nevertheless, Brandeis wins an emotional game-- tomorrow's game always seems to be the toughest one of the tournament to win, in my opinion--because it is for a berth in the Final Four-- and it usually is off a tough game in the Sweet 16 the day before.  Brandeis needs to be up for this one tomorrow-- whether it is SUNYIT or Williams.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2010, 03:12:34 PM
There was also D3hoops.com audio on the front page as a backup the whole time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 13, 2010, 03:23:33 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2010, 03:12:34 PM
There was also D3hoops.com audio on the front page as a backup the whole time.

Thanks.  I knew that as well, but unfortunately I didn't mention it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on March 13, 2010, 08:16:01 PM
Dear Coach Meehan --

Please send Tyrone Hughes home early, terrible!

And please figure out a way to get the ball to Kriskus and Small, before it's too late.

H

PS - another Hughes brick, hurry!!!!!

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on March 13, 2010, 08:33:40 PM
Could someone put out n APB for Kenny Small? And where's Weldon?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on March 13, 2010, 08:45:44 PM
Well, congratulations to Williams and good luck to them in the Final Four.  Eminently winnable game tonight, but the wrong players were taking the shots down the stretch and the team finally hit the wall the last few minutes.

In any case, thanks to the seniors who brought the team a great deal of success, hopefully the next wave of Judges will be able to take the team out of the "desert" and into the Promised Land of a Final Four - :).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 13, 2010, 09:59:29 PM
Thanks to the seniors at Brandeis on helping this team to have a terrific season.   I wish the game tonight had a different outcome,  however, Brandeis did play the type of game tonight that put the Judges in a position to win.  Williams played excellent defense down the stretch, and unfortunately Brandeis's season came to an end tonight.

One day, hopefully, Brandeis will be able to get past that Elite Eight game and make it to Salem, VA.:)

Congrats to Terrell Hollins, especially, on being selected to play in the All Star Game next weekend.   I believe that is the game that is taking the place of the third place game that used to be in that slot.  I'll see next Saturday.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 13, 2010, 10:38:09 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on March 13, 2010, 09:59:29 PM

Congrats to Terrell Hollins, especially, on being selected to play in the All Star Game next weekend.   I believe that is the game that is taking the place of the third place game that used to be in that slot.

That is correct, Allen.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on March 14, 2010, 12:20:19 AM
For those of you who don't follow the women, WashU and Rochester are in the Final Four.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on March 16, 2010, 02:27:26 PM
The D3Hoops All Region teams were announced today. Here are the players from the UAA that were honored. Well deserved for these 3 outstanding players.

Sean Wallis Washington U. senior guard All Midwest Region First Team.

Aaron Thompson Washington U. senior guard All Midwest Region Second Team.

Terrell Hollins Brandeis senior forward All Northeast Region Second Team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on March 17, 2010, 05:35:21 AM
This is kinda random, but thought UAA folks might be interested, a CMU assistant coach is quoted in this article about, of all things, Mr. Rogers:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/17/us/17pittsburgh.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on March 17, 2010, 09:14:04 AM
Mr. Rogers' actually lived very close to the CMU campus, so Skibo gymnasium is very much a part of his neighborhood.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on March 21, 2010, 03:16:07 AM
D3Hoops announced this year's All American Teams prior to Saturday's National Championship Game.

Sean Wallis Washington University was named to the First team

Aaron Thompson Washington University was named to the Third Team

It is the 2nd straight year that both of these players received All American honors.

No surprise for the Player of the Year honors as junior guard Steve Djurickovic of Carthage College won that award.


Here is the link to see the complete list:

http://www.d3hoops.com/all-american/menallam10.htm
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 07, 2010, 12:07:15 PM
Mike Neer announces his retirement. Story on D3hoops.com front page.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on April 07, 2010, 12:45:42 PM
With regret, I wish Mike Neer best wishes upon his retirement from coaching basketball today.   This is the end of an era for the Rochester men's basketball program today-- I will be interested to see who will succeed Coach Neer as head coach of the Yellowjackets.

With Mike Neer's retirement, Mark Edwards of Wash U becomes the sole reigning dean of the UAA men's basketball coaches.   Neer and Edwards shared that "dean" ship until today.

Personally, I have never imagined Rochester men's basketball without Mike Neer as head coach-- this has had a similar impact to me as Janice Quinn retiring from coaching NYU women's basketball.

I hope that Mike Neer will still travel with the Rochester basketball teams to away UAA games as a "good-will representative" of the program.  It would be a shame if I wasn't able to personally congratulate him one more time on the occasion of his retirement.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on April 07, 2010, 01:30:08 PM
It will be interesting to see if UR stays within the coaching "family"  (Jay Wright probably isn't available) or goes outside to find a new coach. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on April 07, 2010, 08:34:55 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on April 07, 2010, 01:30:08 PM
It will be interesting to see if UR stays within the coaching "family"  (Jay Wright probably isn't available) or goes outside to find a new coach. 
One member of the family is also leaving, as today Allegheny College has named UR Assistant Coach Jim Driggs to fill their vacant head coaching position (http://www.alleghenysports.com/news/2010/4/7/MBB_0407101714.aspx).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: wvcfan1 on April 08, 2010, 09:05:24 PM
Coach Leone from Keystone is an Alum...is he in consideration for the job.  He has a very good record at KC.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on April 13, 2010, 12:50:36 PM
Sounds like a good recruit for Chicago...


http://blog.mlive.com/highschoolbasketball/2010/04/two_whac_commitments_and_a_d3.html

And while players don't actually sign anything for Division III schools, the University of Chicago got a pledge from 6-3 Derrick Davis, a consensus Class B all-stater from Bridgeport. He had a DI offer from North Dakota State and various D2 offers.


http://highschoolsports.mlive.com/news/article/2637178683052556802/bridgeports-derrick-davis-earns-mcdonalds-all-america-basketball-team-nomination/

http://highschoolsports.mlive.com/news/article/-5623821415779991771/column-bridgeports-derrick-davis-can-hang-on-the-court-and-in-the-classroom/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on April 13, 2010, 10:57:40 PM
I heard that Normal (IL) Community H.S. PG Kevin Bischoff committed to Wash U recently.  Bischoff made the Pantagraph All-Area team...

http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/high-school/basketball/boys/article_46108298-3a00-11df-bc63-001cc4c03286.html


Bischoff was pursued by a lot of Division III schools.  I think it's fair to say the most aggressive, outside of Wash U, was Augustana.  Chicago was on him as well.



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on April 17, 2010, 04:19:03 PM
Wash U lost a stud recruit to NAIA Lindenwood - 6-6 center Garrett Reeg from Oakville H.S. in the St. Louis area.  Reeg was named 1st Team all-state in Missouri Class 5 (the largest class in Mo).  I saw him play this year and he reminded me a little of Troy Ruths.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on April 17, 2010, 04:35:33 PM
6-1 PG Alan Aboona of Chicago area H.S. St. Viator has committed to Wash U...

http://basketball.dailyherald.com/story/?id=374008


Aboona was named to the Daily Herald's Northwest all-area team...

http://basketball.dailyherald.com/story/?id=363479


Wash U has added two good PG recruits this week in Aboona and Kevin Bischoff.  St. Louis U High PG Tim Cooney committed a couple months ago...Cooney is more of a combo guard.

Don't be surprised if Aboona starts at the point next year as a freshman.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on April 17, 2010, 05:39:12 PM
6-4 Jordan Rapp of Guerin Catholic (Noblesville, IN) to Wash U..

http://www.noblesvilletimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=2&ArticleID=8848

http://www.indystar.com/article/20100416/SPORTS0203/4160322/1277/LIVING20/Muncie-Central-s-Osborne-turning-coaches-heads?source=pn_s



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on May 04, 2010, 01:40:16 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on March 09, 2010, 11:00:09 AM
Wow. Did not realize about the loss of those two players due to transfer. They are key ingredients and I will have to amend my conference projections accordingly.

For what it's worth, some of the players that were leaving U of R may be coming back with the coaching change.  They include Moncrief and Serles, but last I heard several, including one starter, will spend first semester at sea.  I suppose anything and everything can still change.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: haterinthehouse on May 11, 2010, 12:00:35 PM
An Alum is heading back to Rochester! Is Luke ready for the challenge, UAA is not Skidmore
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: haterinthehouse on May 11, 2010, 12:28:38 PM
sorry, former assistant coach
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on May 11, 2010, 08:13:59 PM
I think Luke's experience at Amherst will help in that regard.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on May 20, 2010, 04:18:02 PM
Wash U's recruiting class...looks like a good one.

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/releases/mbk5-20-10.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on June 10, 2010, 07:40:07 AM
FYI, NYU transfer.  I think the comment that he has to sit out must be a mistake ... St. Micahel's is D-II so he should be a contributor right away at NYU. 

Vermont Native Transferring to NYU

Sam Cieplicki, a Vermont native who played for St. Michael's College of the Northeast-10 for the last two years will transfer to New York University where he will play out the final two years of his eligibility after sitting out the 2010-2011 season per NCAA transfer rules.

Cieplicki led the Northeast 10 in three-point shooting this past season, connecting on 44% of his attempts from behind the arc while averaging 8 points and 3 rebounds in his 21 minutes per game.

Cieplicki attended the New Hampton School for a post-graduate year prior to enrolling at St. Michael's.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 10, 2010, 11:37:53 AM
The only reason he would have to sit out, as far as I can tell, is if he were academically ineligible at St. Michael's.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on June 10, 2010, 01:27:58 PM
Quote from: nescac1 on June 10, 2010, 07:40:07 AM
FYI, NYU transfer.  I think the comment that he has to sit out must be a mistake ... St. Micahel's is D-II so he should be a contributor right away at NYU. 

Vermont Native Transferring to NYU

Sam Cieplicki, a Vermont native who played for St. Michael's College of the Northeast-10 for the last two years will transfer to New York University where he will play out the final two years of his eligibility after sitting out the 2010-2011 season per NCAA transfer rules.

Cieplicki led the Northeast 10 in three-point shooting this past season, connecting on 44% of his attempts from behind the arc while averaging 8 points and 3 rebounds in his 21 minutes per game.

Cieplicki attended the New Hampton School for a post-graduate year prior to enrolling at St. Michael's.

I wonder if Sam is related to Keith Cieplicki former head coach of the Syracuse women's team and University of Vermont women's team. Keith was a pretty good shooter himself back in the early 80's when he was an All Conference performer 3 straight years,1983, 1984, and 1985 for William and Mary.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on June 24, 2010, 06:57:38 AM
Thought I would copy this from the '2010-2011' schedules section... Wydown had posted Wash U's schedule...

"Had to check out Wash U's schedule (thanks Wydown) and note that they are hosting Tsinghua University in the Lopata Tourney....   I said "what?"...

The simplified info from Wikipedia...

Tsinghua University (THU; simplified Chinese: 清华大学; traditional Chinese: 清華大學; pinyin: Qīnghuá Dàxué), or Qinghua University, is a university in Beijing, China. The school is one of the nine universities of the C9 League. It was established in 1911, originally under the name "Tsinghua Xuetang". The school was renamed the "Tsinghua School" in 1912. The university section was founded in 1925 and the name "National Tsinghua University" adopted in 1928. With a motto of Self-Discipline and Social Commitment, Tsinghua University describes itself as being dedicated to academic excellence, the well-being of Chinese society and to global development.[1] Today, most national and international rankings place Tsinghua as one of the best universities in mainland China.

The Lopata now going world wide to bring in outstanding Student Athletes  .   It will be a thrill to welcome this team all the way from China to Wash U and St. Louis......"
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on June 24, 2010, 01:19:05 PM
WashU has a close academic relationship with Tsinghua University through the engineering department. The Chinese university coming to Lopata probably arose after the trip that Tyler Nading and Cameron Smith took around the time of the Bejing Olympics:
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2008/06

Quote from: hopefan on June 24, 2010, 06:57:38 AM
Thought I would copy this from the '2010-2011' schedules section... Wydown had posted Wash U's schedule...

"Had to check out Wash U's schedule (thanks Wydown) and note that they are hosting Tsinghua University in the Lopata Tourney....   I said "what?"...

The simplified info from Wikipedia...

Tsinghua University (THU; simplified Chinese: 清华大学; traditional Chinese: 清華大學; pinyin: Qīnghuá Dàxué), or Qinghua University, is a university in Beijing, China. The school is one of the nine universities of the C9 League. It was established in 1911, originally under the name "Tsinghua Xuetang". The school was renamed the "Tsinghua School" in 1912. The university section was founded in 1925 and the name "National Tsinghua University" adopted in 1928. With a motto of Self-Discipline and Social Commitment, Tsinghua University describes itself as being dedicated to academic excellence, the well-being of Chinese society and to global development.[1] Today, most national and international rankings place Tsinghua as one of the best universities in mainland China.

The Lopata now going world wide to bring in outstanding Student Athletes  .   It will be a thrill to welcome this team all the way from China to Wash U and St. Louis......"
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ld on July 08, 2010, 10:41:25 PM
I have just been imformed of an basketball player in indianapolis, indiana at decatur central high school name donta manuel. Kid plays well and is D3 material or possible D2 but needs to be looked at by you gise at D3. Wabash college showed interest in him so check him out. he's about to be a junior in high school so a couple more seasons left. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on July 09, 2010, 02:07:42 AM
and I had gotten real excited about someone posting on the UAA board for the first time in a while.... and then I read the post... :(
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on July 09, 2010, 08:47:36 AM
come on Wydown, why don't us gise hop in a car and make the quick drive over to Indy and check this kid out!!!!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: KnightSlappy on July 09, 2010, 10:31:37 AM
Quote from: ld on July 08, 2010, 10:41:25 PM
I have just been imformed of an basketball player in indianapolis, indiana at decatur central high school name donta manuel. Kid plays well and is D3 material or possible D2 but needs to be looked at by you gise at D3. Wabash college showed interest in him so check him out. he's about to be a junior in high school so a couple more seasons left. ;)

I heard that gi spends tons of time trying to recruit himself on internet message boards.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on July 14, 2010, 05:58:09 AM
If any WashU fans/St Louis residents are out there, I have a favor to ask.  My cousin is headed to St. Louis for a swim meet of some kind and was wondering if anyone had any suggestions about places to eat or any special things to do while they are there.  Any help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on July 14, 2010, 08:43:39 AM


http://www.pappyssmokehouse.com/

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on July 14, 2010, 10:18:01 AM
My number one and hands down great down home cooking is
Sweetie Pies  (http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=15038049934678695776&q=sweet+pies&hl=en&cd=1&ei=AcQ9TLqHI5-sNYS42P4H&sig2=P7HZFCmO-gwjzMLBVR-PTA&dtab=0&sll=38.686466,-90.267996&sspn=0.118886,0.022866&ie=UTF8&ll=38.75328,-90.381088&spn=0,0&z=12&iwloc=A)

Ted Drewe's for frozen custard
http://www.teddrewes.com/Drewes.asp

Pi for pizza its and to discover the Delmar Loop Area. Its President Obama's  favorite  (http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2009/04/06/daily40.html) ;)
http://www.restaurantpi.com/

As for special things to do – I would say it is his pick of the free stuff:
Anheuser-Busch Brewery tour, Art Museum, Zoo, Science Center, Grant's Farm, the Missouri History Museum

If he wants to pay for something:
City Museum
http://www.citymuseum.org/home.asp
Or a Cards game (get cheap tickets off of stub hub)

For late night fun, I would say go listen to some Blues because of the St. Louis tradition... Broadway Oyster Bar, BB's Jazz, Blues and Soups, Beale on Broadway etc.
http://www.stlblues.net/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on July 14, 2010, 12:13:59 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on July 14, 2010, 10:18:01 AM
My number one and hands down great down home cooking is
Sweetie Pies  (http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=15038049934678695776&q=sweet+pies&hl=en&cd=1&ei=AcQ9TLqHI5-sNYS42P4H&sig2=P7HZFCmO-gwjzMLBVR-PTA&dtab=0&sll=38.686466,-90.267996&sspn=0.118886,0.022866&ie=UTF8&ll=38.75328,-90.381088&spn=0,0&z=12&iwloc=A)

Ted Drewe's for frozen custard
http://www.teddrewes.com/Drewes.asp

Pi for pizza its and to discover the Delmar Loop Area. Its President Obama's  favorite  (http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2009/04/06/daily40.html) ;)
http://www.restaurantpi.com/


As for special things to do – I would say it is his pick of the free stuff:
Anheuser-Busch Brewery tour, Art Museum, Zoo, Science Center, Grant's Farm, the Missouri History Museum

If he wants to pay for something:
City Museum
http://www.citymuseum.org/home.asp
Or a Cards game (get cheap tickets off of stub hub)

For late night fun, I would say go listen to some Blues because of the St. Louis tradition... Broadway Oyster Bar, BB's Jazz, Blues and Soups, Beale on Broadway etc.
http://www.stlblues.net/


Thanks for the help.  You WashU fans are alright.  I don't care what the UR fans say......
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 17, 2010, 06:29:13 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on July 14, 2010, 05:58:09 AM
Any help would be appreciated.

Wydown has the quite the comprehensive list, but I have two thoughts.  I am assuming that your cousin is young (junior high-high school) and mostly booked up when in town.  Here are two things that he or she should not miss:

Food

A trip to St. Louis is not complete without St. Louis style pizza and toasted ravioli.  Not as good as Pi, but very St. Louis. 

Imo's is a local chain that specializes in St. Louis style pizza, though many restaurants do serve it.  Not everyone here loves it, but honestly, the trip will not be complete without sampling our pizza and toasted ravioli.

Diversions

The City Garden, located downtown is a sculpture park that is absolutely spectacular and proof that St. Louis can (still) do good things.  Fun for all ages.

If your cousin has more time than this, do everything that Wydown suggested.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: GoGreenGoRed on July 27, 2010, 06:28:40 PM
I would also add the Botanical Gardens as another great thing to do. And the Arch is quintessential St. Louis. Forest Park (where the Art Museum and Zoo are) is a great place to go for a walk.

As for food, Cherokee St. has great Mexican and Grand has a variety of Asian Cuisines. Basil Spice is my favorite. Kopperman's in the Central West End is also really good.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on July 28, 2010, 09:34:03 PM
Hey everyone I was wondering if anyone has the record of the UAA vs all of D3 BBall for Men's an Women's? I need the record for the last 5 years. Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 28, 2010, 09:48:23 PM
Quote from: dblock on July 28, 2010, 09:34:03 PM
Hey everyone I was wondering if anyone has the record of the UAA vs all of D3 BBall for Men's an Women's? I need the record for the last 5 years. Thanks

If someone has it right at his fingertips, fine, although I strongly doubt that anyone does. But what's stopping you from looking it up for yourself? All the info you need is right here on d3hoops.com.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on July 29, 2010, 08:43:17 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on July 28, 2010, 09:48:23 PM
Quote from: dblock on July 28, 2010, 09:34:03 PM
Hey everyone I was wondering if anyone has the record of the UAA vs all of D3 BBall for Men's an Women's? I need the record for the last 5 years. Thanks

If someone has it right at his fingertips, fine, although I strongly doubt that anyone does. But what's stopping you from looking it up for yourself? All the info you need is right here on d3hoops.com.


1,012,223 to 8.  Just a guess.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on July 31, 2010, 12:50:39 AM
Jason Boone (NYU '07) is entering his 3rd season playing for Goettingen of the German Bundesliga.  He averaged 9 points and 6 boards in the Bundesliga last season, and 11 points and 7 boards in the EuroChallenge.

http://bggoettingen.de/doorway/

And he was so excited about making the EuroChallenge Final Four, that he rapped about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrucqp-KxYA
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 22, 2010, 12:15:41 PM
CWRU just returned from a trip to Brazil in which they played at least two games against local teams.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 23, 2010, 09:38:55 AM
We followed their trip extensively on our blog.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on September 13, 2010, 08:33:32 AM
Wonderful article regarding how the Wash U national champs are making out in the real world after graduation, and their memories of a championship weekend in Salem.   One thing about that article REALLY surprised me though, and that was the remark that evidently, Aaron Thompson had hoped to give European hoops a shot, but that it didn't work out.....   that is just so hard to imagine... if Aaron was just a shooter, I could understand it.. but to me, he seemed to be a gifted athlete as well as a smart player... 

Perhaps Aaron shot for a level across the pond that he was unable to reach (ie level 'A' rather than level 'B', but I have to think that at some lesser level he would have been successful.....   can anyone fill us in on his 'rejection'?   I am totally curious.....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on September 13, 2010, 11:55:40 AM
From what I heard, he simply couldn't find an agent.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on September 14, 2010, 07:53:06 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on September 13, 2010, 11:55:40 AM
From what I heard, he simply couldn't find an agent.

I heard something along the same lines.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on September 21, 2010, 11:38:50 AM
Wydown...  another curiosity question regarding Wash U....   Was checking their roster and note JD Elder was not on it... while I didn't see a starting role for him, I thought he woud see 10-15 minutes a game as a backup guard, especially given no certain man at point just yet (Seymore?) and the somewhat enigmatic dylan Richter at the 2...   Was he gone from the get go, or displaced by underclassmen?

I've seen the Freshmen writeups.....  and they sound good...  can anyone write about how they are competing in the pick up games?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on September 27, 2010, 01:56:14 PM
So this is how the UAA finished in 2009-10...

1. Wash U, 13-1
2. Brandeis, 9-5
T3. Chicago, 7-7
T3. NYU, 7-7
T3. Emory, 7-7
T6. Rochester, 6-8
T6. Case, 6-8
8. Carnegie Mellon, 1-13

And the all-conference team...

FIRST TEAM
Austin Claunch, Emory 5-9 G So.
Terrell Hollins, Brandeis 6-4 F Sr.
Keith Jensen, NYU 6-4 F Sr.
Jake Pancratz, Chicago 6-1 G Sr.
Kenny Small, Brandeis 6-0 G Sr.
Aaron Thompson, Washington 6-4 G Sr.
Sean Wallis, Washington 6-2 G Gr.  (Player of the Year)

SECOND TEAM
Jack Anderson, Carnegie Mellon 6-3 G Sr.
Reid Anderson, Case 6-6 G Jr.
John DiBartolomeo, Rochester 5-11 G Fr. (Rookie of the Year)
Bryan Erce, Case 6-3 G Sr.
Spencer Gay, Washington 6-6 F Jr.
John Kinsella, Chicago 6-4 F Sr.
Nate Novosel, Rochester 6-5 F So.
Cameron Smith, Washington 6-5 F Sr.
Tom Summers, Case 6-6 F So.


Is it me or does it seem the 2010-11 UAA race is completely up for grabs?  And that heading into the season, there is not really a Top 25 team here?  (That's not to say one won't emerge by January.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on September 27, 2010, 05:24:03 PM
Quote from: hopefan on September 21, 2010, 11:38:50 AM
Wydown...  another curiosity question regarding Wash U....   Was checking their roster and note JD Elder was not on it... while I didn't see a starting role for him, I thought he woud see 10-15 minutes a game as a backup guard, especially given no certain man at point just yet (Seymore?) and the somewhat enigmatic dylan Richter at the 2...   Was he gone from the get go, or displaced by underclassmen?

I've seen the Freshmen writeups.....  and they sound good...  can anyone write about how they are competing in the pick up games?


Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, Ive been in and out on these boards as of late. I don't know the particulars about JD, he was certainly not displaced...WashU has a lot of opportunities, so if I had a guess, he probably just wanted to pursue other ventures. Quite a few players have dropped over the years, so losing someone from the roster doesn't surprise me at all.

Seymore and maybe Brett Sapp will fight for the starting spots at point. Brett has been biding his time to get some PT and I could see coach's eyes being open to all options. With Max Needle and Ben Hoener fighting for back up duties unless one of the freshmen step up. They had this problem before in '08...an up for grabs at point guard, and we saw someone with little experience at the varsity level with Ross Kelley step in. I could see some of the same thing here. There is a lack of depth in experience at the guards spot, but with Toth, Gay, Knepper, and Burnett... they look good in the post.

Dylan is more of a 3 playing the two spot, he is big and strong...reminds me of a high-flying version of paul pierce. He seemed misplaced at times in their offense, but this year I really see him wrapping his head around it all and being one of the integral pieces. He did break his leg or foot his freshman year so he has had only one full season to get in the action.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on September 27, 2010, 10:43:04 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on September 27, 2010, 01:56:14 PM
So this is how the UAA finished in 2009-10...

1. Wash U, 13-1
2. Brandeis, 9-5
T3. Chicago, 7-7
T3. NYU, 7-7
T3. Emory, 7-7
T6. Rochester, 6-8
T6. Case, 6-8
8. Carnegie Mellon, 1-13

And the all-conference team...

FIRST TEAM
Austin Claunch, Emory 5-9 G So.
Terrell Hollins, Brandeis 6-4 F Sr.
Keith Jensen, NYU 6-4 F Sr.
Jake Pancratz, Chicago 6-1 G Sr.
Kenny Small, Brandeis 6-0 G Sr.
Aaron Thompson, Washington 6-4 G Sr.
Sean Wallis, Washington 6-2 G Gr.  (Player of the Year)

SECOND TEAM
Jack Anderson, Carnegie Mellon 6-3 G Sr.
Reid Anderson, Case 6-6 G Jr.
John DiBartolomeo, Rochester 5-11 G Fr. (Rookie of the Year)
Bryan Erce, Case 6-3 G Sr.
Spencer Gay, Washington 6-6 F Jr.
John Kinsella, Chicago 6-4 F Sr.
Nate Novosel, Rochester 6-5 F So.
Cameron Smith, Washington 6-5 F Sr.
Tom Summers, Case 6-6 F So.


Is it me or does it seem the 2010-11 UAA race is completely up for grabs?  And that heading into the season, there is not really a Top 25 team here?  (That's not to say one won't emerge by January.)

I would say having the last 2 ROY's would bode well for U of R, but I'm not sure what else they have.  Their starting 4 and backup PG are spending the semester at sea (others may be as well).  Many of last years freshmen have left (all but 2 or 3) and this years years class never really materialized.  I know they are looking for players from the general population and I believe the top prospect has decided not to play.  It looks like replacing Coach Neer may be just one of the taskd facing the Jackets this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on October 18, 2010, 07:28:38 PM
Former Brandeis star Kwame Graves-Fulgham ('08) is now a member of the Boston Celtics staff, as a video coordinator.

http://www.nba.com/celtics/contact/front-office.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 20, 2010, 09:55:22 PM
CWRU Preview

The Spartans finished 5-2 in the second half of the UAA season after the return of double-double Tom Summers.  One of the losses being by three points at WUStL.  Eric Duerr gained confidence by being the main man in the middle during Summers' absence giving the Spartans a one-two combo down low.  Leading scorer Reid Anderson also returns, as only PG Brian Eryce has departed.

Newcomers include 5'10 PG Mike Byrne Newton PA (Holy Ghost Prep) who was third team AAA all-state and all SE PA defense team, LA County All-Star 3 point shooter Tim Chung (Los Alamitos HS), and 6-5 F Austin Fowler (Detroit Brother Rice) a sophmore transfer from DI St Francis (PA).

I see at top four finish for the Spartans.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on October 20, 2010, 10:24:28 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 20, 2010, 09:55:22 PM
CWRU Preview

The Spartans finished 5-2 in the second half of the UAA season after the return of double-double Tom Summers.  One of the losses being by three points at WUStL.  Eric Duerr gained confidence by being the main man in the middle during Summers' absence giving the Spartans a one-two combo down low.  Leading scorer Reid Anderson also returns, as only PG Brian Eryce has departed.

Newcomers include 5'10 PG Mike Byrne Newton PA (Holy Ghost Prep) who was third team AAA all-state and all SE PA defense team, LA County All-Star 3 point shooter Tim Chung (Los Alamitos HS), and 6-5 F Austin Fowler (Detroit Brother Rice) a sophmore transfer from DI St Francis (PA).

I see at top four finish for the Spartans.

I heard of Case getting a 6'9" freshman center, David Thompson, whose brother is playing D1 (I believe), who is supposed to be a real strong, athletic big man. Case has their roster up also and all those guys are listed:

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/sports_men/mbasketball/roster.html

He is also listed on rivals:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-David-Thompson-99367

Case may be legit this year. They also list Austin Fowler at 6'6", not 6'5"
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 21, 2010, 08:08:46 PM
Several of the newcomers are listed at heights different than those on their previous team's roster; eg, Thompson is listed at 6'8.  Fowler was listed at 6'5 on the St Francis roster.

I couldn't find much online about Thompson earlier, but now I see he was 2nd Team All-Dist as a junior.  I also see he missed some games at the end of last year for unspecified "off-court" issues.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on October 21, 2010, 08:28:34 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 21, 2010, 08:08:46 PM
Several of the newcomers are listed at heights different than those on their previous team's roster; eg, Thompson is listed at 6'8.  Fowler was listed at 6'5 on the St Francis roster.

I couldn't find much online about Thompson earlier, but now I see he was 2nd Team All-Dist as a junior.  I also see he missed some games at the end of last year for unspecified "off-court" issues.

Regardless, I hear he is a player, he may push Deurr for the starting job.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 26, 2010, 09:33:03 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on October 21, 2010, 08:28:34 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 21, 2010, 08:08:46 PM
Several of the newcomers are listed at heights different than those on their previous team's roster; eg, Thompson is listed at 6'8.  Fowler was listed at 6'5 on the St Francis roster.

I couldn't find much online about Thompson earlier, but now I see he was 2nd Team All-Dist as a junior.  I also see he missed some games at the end of last year for unspecified "off-court" issues.



Regardless, I hear he is a player, he may push Deurr for the starting job.

Thompson is now listed at 6'9.  If he can push Duerr, who is a senior, that would bode well for the future.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on October 26, 2010, 10:31:13 PM
I think it will depend on what type of offense they try to run.  If they are going to slow it down, Duerr may be the better option as he has 45 pounds on Thompson.  From what I have heard of Thompson, he is a great athlete, as well as having tremendous size and length.  He may fit better in an uptempo offense, or at the 4 alongside Duerr.  I wouldnt be surprised to see Thompson earn himself more minutes as the season progresses.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ole Ollie on October 27, 2010, 08:45:06 AM
The University of Massachusetts men's basketball team has added an exhibition game for a good cause.
The Minutemen announced Tuesday they will host Division III Brandeis University at 7 p.m. on Nov. 4 at the Mullins Center. The game will benefit The Food Bank of Western Massachusetts.
"For us to give back to The Food Bank is extra special to me," UMass coach Derek Kellogg said in a statement. "We are doing our part for the Pioneer Valley, my home, with this game to benefit The Food Bank."
To gain admission to the game, fans must bring two cans of non-perishable food or a meal to be donated to The Food Bank. All seating will be general admission.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: auwnj on October 29, 2010, 08:36:41 PM
Below is CWRU's preview of this year's team.  Looks very good, at least on paper.  Lots of returning contributors as well as the newcomers discussed.   


The 2009-10 Spartans won 14 games for only the fourth time in school history and won more University Athletic Association (UAA) games than any Spartan team.  The 2010-11 club is looking to build upon those accomplishments and has a strong nucleus of veterans leading the way.  The Spartans return four starters and seven of their top eight scorers from last season.  Among the upperclassmen returning for Case Western Reserve are senior wing Reid Anderson (Avon Lake, OH), senior center Eric Duerr (Gibsonia, PA), and junior forward Tom Summers (Murrysville, PA).  All three players earned All-UAA honors in 2009-10.  "Our returning players are both talented and experienced," said Coach Sean McDonnell.  "Our team's success this season will hinge on their leadership both on and off the court."

Reid Anderson will lead the scoring attack on the perimeter for the Spartans after finishing 3rd in the UAA with 15.1 ppg last season.  "Reid is as talented offensively as any perimeter player in America," said McDonnell.  "We have very high expectations for him this year."  Anderson was named Second Team All-UAA in 2009-10.  Joining Anderson on the wing is one of the Spartans' most versatile players, senior Alex Hildebrandt (Akron, OH), who started 24 games in 2009-10.

Leading the Spartans' frontcourt will be Tom Summers and Eric Duerr.  Summers finished 2nd in the UAA in rebounding (10.2) and 5th in scoring (14.2) while being named Second Team All-UAA in 2009-10.  "Tom had a great season for us last year," said McDonnell.  "He was one of the best rebounding forwards in the country and should have an outstanding year for us."  Duerr carries a 3.97 GPA as a Biology/Pre-Med major and earned Third Team Academic All America honors from ESPN The Magazine in 2009-10.  Duerr was named Honorable Mention All-UAA after leading the UAA in blocked shots (44) while scoring 10.3 ppg.  "Not only is Eric an outstanding player," said McDonnell, "he is a great ambassador for our program and the University."  Joining Duerr and Summers upfront is sophomore Evan Tsudis (Pittsburgh, PA) who played in all 25 gam es as a freshman in 2009-10.

Sophomore Robert Scott (Paoli, PA) should be a key contributor to the Spartans' backcourt this year.  One of the team's most versatile players, Scott played all three perimeter positions in 2009-10 and will do so again this season.  "Robert has a chance to be a very good player," noted McDonnell.  "He is very aggressive offensively and if his turnovers are kept in-check, he should have a nice season for us."  Senior 3-point shooting specialist Colin Mulholland (Jacksonville, FL), sophomore guard Brian Curth (Darien, CT), and sophomore guard Tim Maleski (Franklin, PA) will add depth to the Spartans' backcourt as well. 

The Spartans attracted six newcomers to University Circle this season.  Joining the Spartans' backcourt are guards Mark Bentley (Downers Grove, IL), Mike Byrne (Newton, PA), Tim Chung (Cypress, CA), and Ron Fudala (Uniontown, PA).  On the wing, sophomore Austin Fowler (Bloomfield Hills, MI) brings both size and versatility after playing last year at NCAA Division I St. Francis University in Loretto, PA.  Finally, David Thompson (Plano, TX) will add skill and athleticism to the Spartans' frontcourt.  "We are pleased with this year's newcomers," said McDonnell.  "They will push our returning players and make us better."

The 2010-11 schedule is highlighted by 11 competitive non-conference games and 14 UAA contests.  The second annual Stephanie Tubbs-Jones Memorial Tournament will be played on November 19 – 20 and this year's participants include Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology, Washington & Jefferson College, and Wilmington College.  The sixth annual Bill Sudeck Holiday Tournament will be played on December 29 – 30 and features Earlham College, Geneva College, and Kalamazoo College.  "Once again we have two great fields for our home tournaments," McDonnell noted.  The Spartans will travel to John Carroll University after Thanksgiving for a tournament on November 27 – 28.  Traditional local rivals Baldwin-Wallace College, Denison University, Hiram College, Kenyon College, and Oberlin College comprise the remaining non-UAA games on the Spartans' sc hedule.  As always, the UAA will feature many of the top NCAA Division III teams in America.  "We expect the level of competition to be very high in the UAA," noted McDonnell.










Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on November 04, 2010, 02:06:29 PM
UMass, my hometown team and the only squad I follow even closer than Wash.U, is playing UAA Brandeis tonight in an exhibition. Very excited to watch it. Deis would have given a super young and inexperienced UMass team a game last year, but they graduated a lot and UMass should be better. UMass by 24.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on November 04, 2010, 03:35:30 PM
Brandeis brought in one of the best recruiting classes in the country.  Huge 10-member class featuring several highly-ranked players from New England (Retos and Dascy in particular).  I also note that Brandeis' top recruit from last year (Jay Freeman), who for some reason did not play last season, is now on the roster.  They will probably suffer some growing pains this season, but next year, watch out.

http://www.brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/roster
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 04, 2010, 10:09:28 PM
UMass beats Brandeis 83-60 tonight. Looks like a 2-2 tie a the beginning of the game was followed by a 16-0 run by the minutemen and the game wasnt so close after that.  The closest Brandeis got was 13 at the beginning of the 2nd half, 38-25, but Umass pushed the lead to 58-29 in the next 6 minutes of play.  Umass led 80-48 with 3.5 minutes to play, but Brandeis finished the game on a 12-3 run to cut the final deficit to 23.

http://www.umassathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2010-2011/110410ex.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ole Ollie on November 08, 2010, 01:35:12 PM
Pre-Season Poll.  It seems pretty reasonable to me.  Has Case ever been so high or Rochester so low?  A lot will depend on how new players develop.

1. Washington (4) 45 24-3, 13-1 UAA
2. Case Western Reserve (3) 44 14-11, 6-8 UAA
3. NYU (1) 36 17-10, 7-7 UAA
4. Brandeis 27 22-7, 9-5 UAA
5. Emory 25 15-10, 7-7 UAA
6. Chicago 24 13-12, 7-7 UAA
7. Rochester 16 15-10, 6-8 UAA
8. Carnegie Mellon 7 5-20, 1-13 UAA
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 08, 2010, 05:40:54 PM
Note this quote from the league's preseason press release:

QuoteCase Western Reserve University finished in second and received three first-place votes. This is the highest ranking for the Spartans program where they have finished in the UAA preseason poll. Prior to this year, Case has finished no higher than sixth in the coaches poll.

To me, the more interesting thing is that the #1 pick is a team that returns only one starter -- and that starter was a role player, albeit a very good one. Does that say more about Wash U's bench talent from last year, or does it say more about the potential for a down year for the UAA?

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 08, 2010, 06:52:15 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 08, 2010, 05:40:54 PM
Note this quote from the league's preseason press release:

QuoteCase Western Reserve University finished in second and received three first-place votes. This is the highest ranking for the Spartans program where they have finished in the UAA preseason poll. Prior to this year, Case has finished no higher than sixth in the coaches poll.

To me, the more interesting thing is that the #1 pick is a team that returns only one starter -- and that starter was a role player, albeit a very good one. Does that say more about Wash U's bench talent from last year, or does it say more about the potential for a down year for the UAA?



I think there is no doubt the UAA is down this year.  3 of the top 4 teams (I dont know anything about NYU) all have unproven talent (which is better than no talent at all, ask the teams ranked below them).  For WashU, that is mostly reserve players from last year and a few freshman, but for Brandeis and to a lesser extent Case, a lot of the players who will be expected to contribute are newcomers.  As usual, they are at an advantage because the three top teams in the conference are all in different geographic regions, so if they all put together good seasons (and take advantage of a down year in the conference by beating up on the other 5 teams), the UAA may still get 3 teams into the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 08, 2010, 07:44:34 PM
I'm guessing that the UAA is going to be down, too, but since I'm not a UAA alumnus I didn't want to be the first to say it here. ;)

Here's an article (http://fwix.com/saginaw/share/b58f473439/bridgeport_star_derrick_davis_signs_to_play_basketball_for_university_of_chicago) on one of Chicago's three incoming freshmen, 6'2 point guard Derrick Davis from Saginaw (MI) Bridgeport, who turned down a D1 scholie to become a Maroon. Mike McGrath only has three freshmen in his class of '14 -- Davis plus two forwards, 6'6 Sam Gage of Waterloo, WI and 6'5 Charlie Hughes of Perrysburg, OH -- but if the three of them are as good as their press clippings, it'll prove to be a solid haul for Chicago.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 08, 2010, 08:10:20 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 08, 2010, 07:44:34 PM
I'm guessing that the UAA is going to be down, too, but since I'm not a UAA alumnus I didn't want to be the first to say it here. ;)

My alma mater was the only unanimous pick, unfortunately it was for last place.  The program has seen a lot of turnover in the last few years, not only in the players, but several coaches have left also (including Kevin Byrne, who is now an assistant at MIT, and Dave Pastorkovich who is now at Thiel; Byrne has averaged 21.5 wins per season since leaving CMU (CMU averaged 17 games per season his last 5 season coaching there, including a 20 win season and two 19 win seasons),  and Pastorkovich is in his first year at Thiel).  It will be interesting to see how (or if) CMU can regroup after last years disappointment.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 09, 2010, 05:07:16 PM
U of R has some issues.  In addition to those I've mentioned before (players leaving, players spending the semester at sea) DiBartolameo (sp?) broke his hand in practice and will be out for a while.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on November 12, 2010, 01:05:15 PM
It was mentioned over in the SLIAC room that Mark Edwards, Wash U, had commented that this was his worst preseason ever for injuries....   can anyone elaborate?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 12, 2010, 05:39:57 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 12, 2010, 01:05:15 PM
It was mentioned over in the SLIAC room that Mark Edwards, Wash U, had commented that this was his worst preseason ever for injuries....   can anyone elaborate?

I don't know who exactly is hurt, but I do know that Wash U has a few "significant" injuries right now.  The Bears are going to be without 2-3 key guys for the first few weeks and get back to full strength somewhere around the Wheaton game...

Nov. 15 MacMurray College 6:00 PM Jacksonville, Ill.
Nov. 19 University Of Wisconsin-Eau Claire 5:00 PM Platteville, Wis. 
Nov. 20 University Of Wisconsin-Platteville 7:00 PM Platteville, Wis. 
Nov. 22 Augustana College 7:30 PM Rock Island, Ill. 
Nov. 28 Hanover College 3:00 PM Hanover, Ind. 
Dec. 3 TSINGHUA UNIVERSITY 8:00 PM HOME 
Dec. 4 CLAREMONT-MUDD-SCRIPPS COLLEGES 8:00 PM HOME 
Dec. 8 FONTBONNE UNIVERSITY 8:00 PM HOME 
Dec. 11 Wheaton College 7:30 PM Wheaton, Ill. 
Dec. 18 ILLINOIS WESLEYAN UNIVERSITY 3:00 PM HOME 


It will become clear who they're missing after the MacMurray game obviously.

The game Monday in Jacksonville, IL is probably about as well positioned a SLIAC team has been to beat Wash U -- the game is @ MacMurray, Wash U is reloading after losing 4 starters, and the Bears are going to be without a few key players.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 12, 2010, 06:23:14 PM
I received a note indicating that Wash U's injuries are to...

* Dylan Richter (6-3 G/F, Jr) - out until January (not sure what injury is)

* Caleb Knepper (6-6 F, Sr) - back spasms (not sure when expected back)

* Chris Klimek (6-5 F, Fr) - has not been able to practice yet (not sure what injury is or when expected back)


Those definitely qualify as "significant" injuries.  Richter came into the year as a certain starter, and with potential to be Wash U's leading scorer and best player in my opinion.  Knepper is another safe bet starter - a guy with a ton of varsity experience and a tough matchup as a 6-6 perimeter player.  Klimek is a highly-regarded recruit who was expected to be in the varsity rotation as a freshman.

It will be very interesting to see how Wash U starts.  Their first 5 are @ MacMurray, vs UW-Eau Claire (neutral), @ UW-Platteville, @ Augustana, and @ Hanover. 

Please note, I cannot confirm any of the above...but I feel good about where it came from.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 12, 2010, 07:01:16 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on November 12, 2010, 06:23:14 PM
Please note, I cannot confirm any of the above...but I feel good about where it came from.

I have heard the same about Richter and Knepper and I am sure that our sources are not the same.  I had not heard about Klimek.  Significant indeed.

For the moment, I am going to stay focused on our soccer and volleyball.  And, maybe football if we win tomorrow at Stagg.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 12, 2010, 10:37:47 PM
Dylan Richter's injury is a broken hand.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 15, 2010, 09:12:28 PM
CMU picks up a win over Juniata.

Case playing Baldwin Wallace in the second half, up 10.  Nice live feed:

http://tv.case.edu/athletics/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 15, 2010, 11:29:55 PM
Spartans open with an 85-64 win over Baldwin-Wallace (picked 4th in OAC).
Starters were vets Duerr, Summers, and Anderson and newcomers Fowler and Byrne.  Byrne got into early foul trouble and was replaced at PG by Scott.  At that point the line-up was 6-8, 6-6, 6-6, 6-6, 6-4.

Fowler lead with 21, followed by freshman Tim Chung (13), Evan Tsudis (12), and Anderson (10).  Nine different players saw action in the first half and the bench contributed 37 points.  Chung wears #3 and he made 3 3s.

I believe Thompson sat out with what appeared to be a cast on his left lower arm.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on November 16, 2010, 12:08:55 AM
WashU 79 MacMurray 57

Spencer Gay led the Bears with a double-double, picking up 18 points on 8-of-10 shooting with 13 rebounds

Starting guards were Needle, Hoener, and Seymour with Knepper coming of the bench (probably bc of the injury).

Game Summary (http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Sports/Content/Pages/mbk11-15-10.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on November 16, 2010, 12:14:49 AM
Wash U wins at Macmurray, 79-57...  Starters were Toth and Gay, and 3 guards, Seymour, Hoener at point and Needle.  Caleb Knepper did play, looked fine.... Richter and Frosh Klimek did not dress... Burnette spelled Toth, Aboona played point when Hoerner came out, Tim Cooney came in at off guard....   not much size or rebounding off the bench, lots of depth lost with Klimek and Richter out....

First 10 minutes Wash U shot lights out.. a barrage of 3's from Needle, Seymour, Cooney and Knepper... but the hot shooting ended and Mac, behind tough nosed play of Jerel Robertson and Dylan Burton, came back to down 3 at 26-23... half ended reasonably close at 35-27.  
It was obvious that Coach
Ewards demanded the ball go inside in the 2nd half... Gay and Toth dominated the first 10 minutes and Wash U pulled away..  various mix of players in last 10 minutes....

Toth and Gay looked good, but against weak competition....  Hoerner played well at point.. can score, but primary concentration on distributing the ball.....  Seymour, Needle, Cooney, Aboona all young and inexperienced... they'll take their lumps while learning this year...   and nothing much on boards behind Toth and Gay, but Klimek and Richter will help...

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 16, 2010, 12:33:41 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 16, 2010, 12:14:49 AM
Wash U wins at Macmurray, 79-57...  Starters were Toth and Gay, and 3 guards, Seymour, Hoener at point and Needle.  Caleb Knepper did play, looked fine.... Richter and Frosh Klimek did not dress... Burnette spelled Toth, Aboona played point when Hoerner came out, Tim Cooney came in at off guard....   not much size or rebounding off the bench, lots of depth lost with Klimek and Richter out....

Thanks for the summary.  I wish I could have been there.  I am not at all surprised to see Hoener start as point and expect a lot more of him at that position.  I think he will be a very good Ross Kelly quality point guard at the very least.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on November 16, 2010, 07:31:22 AM
Besides the knowledge of the offense and the intangibles that Ross offered, I think Hoener is already ahead... to me, a far better offensive player....  But Hoener will never be surrounded with the talent Kelly was... he'll be expected to contribute more than Kelly was....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 16, 2010, 07:56:42 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 16, 2010, 07:31:22 AM
Besides the knowledge of the offense and the intangibles that Ross offered, I think Hoener is already ahead... to me, a far better offensive player....  But Hoener will never be surrounded with the talent Kelly was... he'll be expected to contribute more than Kelly was....

I agree.  I saw Hoener play a few games in H.S. and he was a tremendous offensive player.  (Had a D2 scholarship offer I think - maybe Truman State?)  I think his ceiling is well above Ross Kelly's.  He reminds me a lot of IWU PG Travis Rosenkranz...little quick PG who can score.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 16, 2010, 09:24:46 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on November 12, 2010, 10:37:47 PM
Dylan Richter's injury is a broken hand.

Correction - broken bone in upper arm.  Expected back about Dec. 10 (in time for Wheaton and IWU games).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on November 16, 2010, 03:42:18 PM
I agree with the previous comments. Hoener is better than Ross offensively, but Ross Kelley joined Cam Smith and Tyler Nading as the best defenders on the team. And Ross was the best on-ball defender by far... Let's not forgot R. Kelley's job on Andrew Olsen (sp.?) in that first National Championship... Hoener will have plenty of opportunities to prove himself defensively and tons of leeway to think score first with not as much offensive talent on the floor this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 16, 2010, 05:12:27 PM
Chicago opened up its season with a 74-73 loss on the road at Dominican. The Stars made a free throw with :07 left and missed the second, but after a timeout Chicago threw away the inbounds pass. Tom Williams paced the Maroons with 22 points, while Steve Stefanou had 13 and Chase Davis added 10.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 17, 2010, 09:37:51 AM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on November 16, 2010, 03:42:18 PM
I agree with the previous comments. Hoener is better than Ross offensively, but Ross Kelley joined Cam Smith and Tyler Nading as the best defenders on the team. And Ross was the best on-ball defender by far... Let's not forgot R. Kelley's job on Andrew Olsen (sp.?) in that first National Championship... Hoener will have plenty of opportunities to prove himself defensively and tons of leeway to think score first with not as much offensive talent on the floor this year.

I totally agree with the comments about Ross Kelley. To me he is the unsung hero of that 2008 Natiional Champion team -- and not just in the torurnament.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 18, 2010, 06:10:33 PM
Do the Spartans have any chance of being competitive in the UAA this season?

For many years, they've been a perennial doormat.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on November 18, 2010, 06:27:34 PM
Quote from: JagranSpartan on November 18, 2010, 06:10:33 PM
Do the Spartans have any chance of being competitive in the UAA this season?

For many years, they've been a perennial doormat.

I think Case is poised to have a good year both in and out of conference.  If they can stay healthy improving on their 6-8 UAA and 14-11 overall records from last year seems likely.  I keep trying to get my son and his friends more excited about the Spartans.  At least he went to the Wash U games the last two years to watch his cousin.















Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on November 18, 2010, 06:36:03 PM
Question:
Quote from: JagranSpartan on November 18, 2010, 06:10:33 PM
Do the Spartans have any chance of being competitive in the UAA this season?

Answer by UAA coaches:
Quote from: Ole Ollie on November 08, 2010, 01:35:12 PM
Pre-Season Poll.  

1. Washington (4) 45 24-3, 13-1 UAA
2. Case Western Reserve (3) 44 14-11, 6-8 UAA
3. NYU (1) 36 17-10, 7-7 UAA
4. Brandeis 27 22-7, 9-5 UAA
5. Emory 25 15-10, 7-7 UAA
6. Chicago 24 13-12, 7-7 UAA
7. Rochester 16 15-10, 6-8 UAA
8. Carnegie Mellon 7 5-20, 1-13 UAA
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: wooscotsfan on November 18, 2010, 08:47:35 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on November 18, 2010, 06:27:34 PM

I think Case is poised to have a good year both in and out of conference.  If they can stay healthy improving on their 6-8 UAA and 14-11 overall records from last year seems likely.  I keep trying to get my son and his friends more excited about the Spartans.  At least he went to the Wash U games the last two years to watch his cousin.

So, let him know that Case is worth watching this year even if Aaron Thompson won't visit Cleveland after finishing a terrific basketball career!  ;) :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on November 19, 2010, 06:34:58 AM
Quote from: wooscotsfan on November 18, 2010, 08:47:35 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on November 18, 2010, 06:27:34 PM

I think Case is poised to have a good year both in and out of conference.  If they can stay healthy improving on their 6-8 UAA and 14-11 overall records from last year seems likely.  I keep trying to get my son and his friends more excited about the Spartans.  At least he went to the Wash U games the last two years to watch his cousin.

So, let him know that Case is worth watching this year even if Aaron Thompson won't visit Cleveland after finishing a terrific basketball career!  ;) :)


When he is home for Thanksgiving I can work on him a bit more!  :D  The Spartans should be fun to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hasanova on November 19, 2010, 09:24:06 AM
Quakers host a doubleheader tournament tonight in Ragan-Brown:

Averett vs Emory at 6 pm
Guilford vs McMurry at 8 pm

I look forward to seeing our Quaker Club members tonight at the halftime reception.  If any posters from the other three schools will be there, look me up!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 20, 2010, 11:17:11 AM
Knepper had 17 points, including five threes, in 30 minutes of play to lead the Bears past UW-Eau Claire, 62-57.  Gay went 7-9 for 16 points and Alboona finished with nine points and four assists.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 20, 2010, 07:32:56 PM
May Emory gets some top 25 votes in the next poll?  Nice win over Guilford today and a 3-0 start.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 20, 2010, 08:33:44 PM
Nevermind, Spartans unable to handle burden of great potential.  Lose twice this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 20, 2010, 10:04:14 PM
Not a great day for Washington University athletics, with Men's Basketball falling by 15 to UW-Platteville.

Women's Basketball dropped an afternoon game to Illinois Wesleyan. 

And, the Women's Volleyball team fell in the NCAA National Championship semi-final to Emory.  Congratulations, ladies, on a great year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 30, 2010, 07:04:03 PM
Washington University hosts Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, Franklin & Marshall, and Tsinghua University this weekend for the 27th annual Lopata Classic.  The Bears play Tsinghua and Claremont-Mudd-Scripps with the Friday evening match with Tsinghua garnering the most attention on-campus.

Tsinghua hosted Augustana over the summer with the visiting team taking the win, but Tsinghua was playing without two or three of their best players.  Augustana hosted and destroyed a Washington University team that was playing their third road game in four days, a point that was left out of most of the www.d3boards.com discussion.  Injuries remain a factor for the Bears.

I had a chance to meet a few of the Tsinghua players today.  Very cool people.  I will be cheering on Tsinghua against Franklin and Marshall.

Lopata Classic Tournament Website
http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Sports/Content/Pages/mcwilliamslopata.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 30, 2010, 10:41:30 PM
Questions on Lopata Classic--

(1)  Will the games vs Tsinghua be played under NCAA rules or under international basketball rules?  Tsinghua University is from China, as I understand it.

(2)  Will the Chinese national anthem be played for Tsinghua first in the games where Tsinghua plays the NCAA teams?

It should be an interesting comparison to see how NCAA Division III stacks up against one of the top teams in the Chinese University Basketball Association.

Just posting those thoughts as I saw Brandeis come from 21 down tonight to defeat Clark in overtime on the streaming video.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 01, 2010, 10:01:03 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on November 30, 2010, 10:41:30 PM
(1)  Will the games vs Tsinghua be played under NCAA rules or under international basketball rules?  Tsinghua University is from China, as I understand it.

(2)  Will the Chinese national anthem be played for Tsinghua first in the games where Tsinghua plays the NCAA teams?

Tsinghua is in Beijing.  The games will be played under NCAA rules.  Tsinghua has been practicing with Coach Edwards and the team to get ready for the tournament. 

That is a great question about the national anthem.  I will ask.  I did ask a student a Tsinghua player if the team had a mascot and he said no, though I am not 100 percent sure that he understood my question.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 01, 2010, 11:18:16 AM
Good video from bearsports on the joint practice with Tsinghua and WashU
Youtube link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ5wCX81fXg&feature=player_embedded)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: NYCHOOPER on December 02, 2010, 03:06:24 PM
I'm really interested to see how NYU plays this year. In my opinion they have two of the most athletic guards in the UAA and an unstoppable big in Richie Polan. I wonder if Joe Nesci has them still running the princeton offense that nobody in the UAA is fooled by. NYU would thrive in a hybrid offense consisting of the dribble drive offense, some quality ball screen set plays and the Princeton about 40% of the time. UAA teams don't even exert themselves on defense against NYU, they guard the entry passes and beat players to the spot.  Hopefully Nesci sees an opportunity in a weak UAA year and let's his team play. Would also help them if they played some higher intensity defense, NYU has fallen a long way defensively since they lead D3 in Team Defense stats in 05-06. It's time for NYU to shed the cloak of mediocrity and try and be a great team. Nesci hasn't taken a NYU team to the tourney in how long??? There's a desperate need to change the culture at the Jerome S Coles Sportscenter.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on December 02, 2010, 08:59:58 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on November 30, 2010, 10:41:30 PM
Questions on Lopata Classic--

(1)  Will the games vs Tsinghua be played under NCAA rules or under international basketball rules?  Tsinghua University is from China, as I understand it.

(2)  Will the Chinese national anthem be played for Tsinghua first in the games where Tsinghua plays the NCAA teams?

(3)  Will the game be considered "in-region"?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 03, 2010, 12:01:19 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on December 02, 2010, 08:59:58 PM
(3)  Will the game be considered "in-region"?

With over 700 Chinese students and 200-300 Chinese faculty and researchers on campus, we could probably open a Tsinghua extension campus here in St. Louis if that helps.

We have done everything we can to get the Chinese students out to the Field House tomorrow, including the 75-100 Tsinghua alumni in our graduate programs.  In the end, we could have a significant number of Washington University students in attendance who are not necessary cheering for the home team.

Incidentally, I talked to a few Tsinghua alumni this week and none were aware that Tsinghua even had a team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 03, 2010, 12:12:25 AM
Quote from: WUH on December 03, 2010, 12:01:19 AM
Incidentally, I talked to a few Tsinghua alumni this week and none were aware that Tsinghua even had a team.

then Tsinghua has something else in common with WashU...  ;)  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2010, 09:01:23 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on December 02, 2010, 08:59:58 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on November 30, 2010, 10:41:30 PM
Questions on Lopata Classic--

(1)  Will the games vs Tsinghua be played under NCAA rules or under international basketball rules?  Tsinghua University is from China, as I understand it.

(2)  Will the Chinese national anthem be played for Tsinghua first in the games where Tsinghua plays the NCAA teams?

(3)  Will the game be considered "in-region"?

Titan Q-- Clearly, the games vs Tsinghua are classified by the NCAA as "exhibition contests against a foreign team in the US".  Therefore, not "in-region."  :)   These types of contests can be played anytime after November 1 in the regular season, and unlike exhibition contests vs NCAA DI and DII teams, these contests are not restricted to a two week window between Nov 1 and Nov 15.

Article 17.3 of the NCAA DIII Manual clearly allows Wash U basketball to play a home exhibition contest vs Tsinghua (China) in the traditional part of the playing season.    The rule is not so clear cut on whether or not an exhibition contest vs a foreign team in the US can be played by an NCAA team on a neutral court as part of an invitational tournament in "classic format" sponsored by the host school, but I believe that the DIII governance committee would have pre-cleared it beforehand with Wash U, or else the Lopata Classic would not take place. 

Regardless, the games vs Tsinghua are exhibition contests.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 03, 2010, 02:09:21 PM
A Student Life article about Dylan Richter and the recovery from his preseason injury:

http://www.studlife.com/sports/mens-basketball/2010/12/03/richter-makes-season-debut-after-quick-recovery-from-arm-injury/

The biggest question for me: does he still sport the headband?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 03, 2010, 10:32:10 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on December 03, 2010, 12:12:25 AM
Quote from: WUH on December 03, 2010, 12:01:19 AM
Incidentally, I talked to a few Tsinghua alumni this week and none were aware that Tsinghua even had a team.

then Tsinghua has something else in common with WashU...  ;)  ::)

Tsinghua is a real good school.  The top undergrad chemical engineering student usually comes to our department at MIT for PhD each year. Not many international schools place students consistently in the US as they do.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 03, 2010, 10:33:14 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on November 20, 2010, 08:33:44 PM
Nevermind, Spartans unable to handle burden of great potential.  Lose twice this weekend.

Turns out they are the same old CWRU we all know and love.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 03, 2010, 10:36:33 PM
Quote from: NYCHOOPER on December 02, 2010, 03:06:24 PM
Would also help them if they played some higher intensity defense, NYU has fallen a long way defensively since they lead D3 in Team Defense stats in 05-06.

Losing Jason Boone in the middle of your defense will do that, not to mention Falcon and the rest of the guys.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 03, 2010, 11:54:24 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 03, 2010, 10:32:10 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on December 03, 2010, 12:12:25 AM
then Tsinghua has something else in common with WashU...

Tsinghua is a real good school.  The top undergrad chemical engineering student usually comes to our department at MIT for PhD each year. Not many international schools place students consistently in the US as they do.

Hence, the other thing Tsinghua has in common with Washington University.  We actually leapfrogged Tsinghua in the Times rankings this year.

I am actually a Peking fan.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 04, 2010, 12:23:47 AM
WashU 80 Tsinghua 70

Anyone watch the game and have any comments on it? Unfortunately, I only had time to catch the women play New England.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 04, 2010, 12:24:14 AM
As predicted, one of the largest groups of visiting fans to visit the Field House was actually a group of Washington University students.  My conservative prediction, and confirmed by a few Chinese students, was two-hundred to two-hundred and fifty Chinese students, employees and other friends and family.  It could have been more.

Overall, it made for a very cool experience.

In regards to the basketball, it was a joy to watch Aboona and Cooney for the first time.  On the other hand, I hate to watch Richter go 1-11 from the field, but all things in time.

The schemes looked familiar, but this team has a lot of work to do.  I will leave it at that.

The final score was not indicative of the game overall.  The Bears did go cold here and there, but had a comfortable 18-20 point lead for extended periods in the second half.  Coach Edwards was not going to embarrass his guests.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: pomonaalum on December 04, 2010, 08:17:43 AM
Tsinghua has some nice players, and are certainly athletic.  More size and athleticism overall than Wash U, but struggled in the half-court offense.  A lot of turnovers (carrys and travels) and the offense looked almost NBA like...not a lot of sets, a little in the way of ball screens and a lot of guards trying to break people down off the dribble.  In general, the Tsinghua guards had trouble finishing near the basket.

On defense, Tsinghua had trouble defending against Wash U's sets, and gave up a lot of open looks.  A lot of gambling on defense leaving players out of position.

My overall take is that the Tsinghua team has some decent individual skill, but it's not put together in a system that takes full advantage.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 04, 2010, 09:33:21 AM
Quote from: WUH on December 03, 2010, 11:54:24 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 03, 2010, 10:32:10 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on December 03, 2010, 12:12:25 AM
then Tsinghua has something else in common with WashU...

Tsinghua is a real good school.  The top undergrad chemical engineering student usually comes to our department at MIT for PhD each year. Not many international schools place students consistently in the US as they do.

Hence, the other thing Tsinghua has in common with Washington University.  We actually leapfrogged Tsinghua in the Times rankings this year.

I am actually a Peking fan.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2010-2011/top-200.html

All the UAA schools are in the top 61, I believe.  Good representation of d3 also.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on December 04, 2010, 12:09:44 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 04, 2010, 09:33:21 AM
All the UAA schools are in the top 61, I believe.
Chicago 12
CMU 20
WashU 38
NYU 60
Emory 61
CWRU 65
Brandeis NR
Rochester NR

Quote from: hugenerd on December 04, 2010, 09:33:21 AMGood representation of d3 also.
Caltech 2
MIT 3
Johns Hopkins 13
Tufts 53
RPI 104
...hope I didn't miss any...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 04, 2010, 01:04:26 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 04, 2010, 09:33:21 AM
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2010-2011/top-200.html

All the UAA schools are in the top 61, I believe.

This is one of the reasons why I love the UAA, even if under today's standards I would not be admitted (as an undergrad) to any of the UAA schools.

Incidentally, there were no less than four scholar-athletes and future WUSTL hall of famers from the national championship teams in attendance last night.  I could not help but feel a little nostalgic.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on December 04, 2010, 01:32:53 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 04, 2010, 12:09:44 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 04, 2010, 09:33:21 AM
All the UAA schools are in the top 61, I believe.
Chicago 12
CMU 20
WashU 38
NYU 60
Emory 61
CWRU 65
Brandeis NR
Rochester NR

Quote from: hugenerd on December 04, 2010, 09:33:21 AMGood representation of d3 also.
Caltech 2
MIT 3
Johns Hopkins 13
Tufts 53
RPI 104
...hope I didn't miss any...


I believe U of R decided several years ago  not to participate in college ranking.  Of course this was the year after they were selected as one of the "new" Ivy schools by Time or Newsweek and #42 in the world by the Times of London.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 04, 2010, 01:55:48 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 04, 2010, 12:09:44 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 04, 2010, 09:33:21 AM
All the UAA schools are in the top 61, I believe.
Chicago 12
CMU 20
WashU 38
NYU 60
Emory 61
CWRU 65
Brandeis NR
Rochester NR

Quote from: hugenerd on December 04, 2010, 09:33:21 AMGood representation of d3 also.
Caltech 2
MIT 3
Johns Hopkins 13
Tufts 53
RPI 104
...hope I didn't miss any...


I knew I had probably missed some, thats why I threw in the "I believe." Thanks for checking.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 05, 2010, 12:36:25 AM
Washington University moves to 4-3 (officially 3-3) on the year, handling the Claremont Colleges in the Lopata Classic final, 66-57.

A (mostly) good game all around for the Bears, who shot 51 percent for the game and did well enough with free throws and rebounds.

Spencer Gay earned the most valuable player honor with 19 points today, going 9-13 from the field.  Gay is leading the team in minutes played and points per game, scoring about 16 in each of seven contests.  The team could be 0-6 without him.

Richter and Cooney dropped in 7 and 8 respectively.  Great effort by both players.  Cooney looks like he has been around longer than a few weeks.

One of the big questions in the pre-season was regarding who would take over at the point.  Hoener got the start and shared time with Alboona.  Both played well enough, but I would give the edge to Alboona because I thought the team played a little better with Alboona on the court (thinking about the quick twelve point run by the Stags to start the first half) and those eight assists included a few sweet passes to Gay for easy layups.

Other quick thoughts: I enjoyed watching the cheerleaders use the slingshots to launch t-shirts in to what was one of the smallest crowds I have ever seen.  And, I also enjoyed watching the Tsinghua basketball team don Washinton University uniforms as well as the rousing cheers from the Bomb Squad as the Tsinghua players collected their trophies.  The tournament program indicates that Augustana is playing in the 2011 Lopata Classic, along with Whittier and California Lutheran.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 05, 2010, 12:37:30 AM
Congratulations to the University of Chicago on the big win over No. 2 Illinois Wesleyan.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 05, 2010, 08:41:46 PM
Emory men, NYU men, and Brandeis are off to a hot start and all undefeated... Is it a product of weak scheduling or establishing a turn of the tables in the UAA?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 08, 2010, 11:51:10 PM
Washington University defeated the visiting Fontbonne Griffins, 82-65.  The press release mentions the only thing worth mentioning and that is the career nights by Dylan Richter with 23 points, Spencer Gay with 22 points, and Tim Cooney with 14 points.  Easily one of the best offensive performances by Richter who went 7-11 from the field, including 6-9 from three point range.

Otherwise, most everyone else looked as if they had been up all night studying for Chem 111.

New York and Rochester with double-digit wins over TCNJ and Elmira tonight as well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 09, 2010, 12:15:21 AM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on December 05, 2010, 08:41:46 PM
Emory men, NYU men, and Brandeis are off to a hot start and all undefeated... Is it a product of weak scheduling or establishing a turn of the tables in the UAA?

Emory has some impressive wins.  NYU always schedules weak (opponents are a combined 10-29, they have no wins over teams with a current winning record).  Brandeis is young and inconsistent, but they have gotten it done so far.  They will have plenty of time to get the young guys more comfortable in the system, as they now have a month off until January.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: NYCHOOPER on December 11, 2010, 03:18:28 AM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 09, 2010, 12:15:21 AM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on December 05, 2010, 08:41:46 PM
Emory men, NYU men, and Brandeis are off to a hot start and all undefeated... Is it a product of weak scheduling or establishing a turn of the tables in the UAA?

Emory has some impressive wins.  NYU always schedules weak (opponents are a combined 10-29, they have no wins over teams with a current winning record).  Brandeis is young and inconsistent, but they have gotten it done so far.  They will have plenty of time to get the young guys more comfortable in the system, as they now have a month off until January.

Come on man... Nesci has to get his wins up so he can forgo getting fired after another year of mediocrity. It's a shame that a good university in the middle of NYC allows such a sham of a coaching staff to walk onto that court every weekend. Too bad the current AD won't get rid of Nesci and start a younger more in-tune regime.

And will someone explain to me why Richie Polan is coming off the bench for the violets? The kid cannot be stopped. He's averaging 17 and 10.5. He should be getting 35 minutes a game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 11, 2010, 09:14:58 PM
Washington University leads Wheaton by eleven on the road, 33-22.  Spencer Gay and Dylan Richter are leading the way with 8 and 11 points respectively.  The Bears are capitalizing on poor shooting by Wheaton and need a quick start to the second half to keep the momentum going.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 11, 2010, 10:21:24 PM
Dang!  A tale of two halves as the Thunder come roaring back, erasing the 11 point lead to take the win 56-55.  Gay had the last shot to win it but was off the mark.  Gay was offensively a non-factor in the second half thanks largely to a great defensive effort by Wheaton.

Other quick thoughts: this is the second time the Bears scored 55 points against Wheaton on the road with the Bears winning the first game 55-52.  Kent Raymond had a last second shot to tie the game but to no avail.  The Bracket of Death seemed so long ago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on December 12, 2010, 12:37:17 AM
Wash U's in-region record is now 4-4 (with non-conference home games left vs Illinois Wesleyan and Benedictine). It's possible that the loss tonight @ Wheaton has put the Bears in position to have to win the UAA to make the NCAA tournament for the 5th consecutive season.

With wins over IWU and Benedictine, the Bears would finish the non-conf at 6-4 (in region).  A 10-4 UAA record (most likely 11-3 or better would mean a conference title, and the Pool A bid) would mean 16-8 (.667), and .667 is usually not good enough.  I think Wheaton had the worst in-region winning % among Pool C's last year at .680.

I think the Bears have a great chance at winning the UAA...but due to the 4 in-region losses already, they may need to if they want to play in March.



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on December 12, 2010, 12:40:20 AM
Just realized something as I was typing that...

I don't remember seeing Caleb Knepper tonight vs Wheaton.  Anyone know the situation?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 12, 2010, 11:34:41 AM
Could be the back spasms that were bothering him earlier in the season?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: GoGreenGoRed on December 15, 2010, 07:40:16 AM
How much do you think the departure of Tim Whittle has affected Wash U? Though the team was good last year, it definitely wasn't as consistent as before. This is definitely a rebuilding year no matter how you cut it, but I wonder if Whittle leaving has had a bigger impact than initially meets the eye.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: NYCHOOPER on December 15, 2010, 03:00:30 PM
Quote from: GoGreenGoRed on December 15, 2010, 07:40:16 AM
How much do you think the departure of Tim Whittle has affected Wash U? Though the team was good last year, it definitely wasn't as consistent as before. This is definitely a rebuilding year no matter how you cut it, but I wonder if Whittle leaving has had a bigger impact than initially meets the eye.

Former Wash players have told me that while Coach Edwards is a fantastic coach and theres not another coach in the world they'd rather play for... It was Whittle who was the brain trust the last couple of years.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 15, 2010, 03:46:20 PM
Quote from: NYCHOOPER on December 15, 2010, 03:00:30 PM
Quote from: GoGreenGoRed on December 15, 2010, 07:40:16 AM
How much do you think the departure of Tim Whittle has affected Wash U? Though the team was good last year, it definitely wasn't as consistent as before. This is definitely a rebuilding year no matter how you cut it, but I wonder if Whittle leaving has had a bigger impact than initially meets the eye.

Former Wash players have told me that while Coach Edwards is a fantastic coach and theres not another coach in the world they'd rather play for... It was Whittle who was the brain trust the last couple of years.

Heard the same and the recruiter of the crew... (although their success has and will have excellent recruiting fallout for near future). Whittle just getting primed to take over when Edwards retires?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 15, 2010, 10:32:43 PM
Quote from: GoGreenGoRed on December 15, 2010, 07:40:16 AM
How much do you think the departure of Tim Whittle has affected Wash U?

This is a great question.  I have heard similar comments and concerns and I am sure that the loss of Coach Whittle is significant.  But for me, it is hard to know how significant the loss, not only because of the loss of four starters in 2010, but because of the loss of one key starter in 2009: Tyler Nading.

I have said this before here, but I do think that Nading was one of the best basketball players I have ever seen.  I am prone to exaggeration, but without Tyler Nading, the Bears may have bowed out in the 2009 Wheaton regional and this conversation may have never happened.

I would love to ask Sean Wallace who he enjoyed playing with the most in his four years on the floor.  I suspect his answer would be Nading and vice versa.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 16, 2010, 12:47:30 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 15, 2010, 10:32:43 PM
Quote from: GoGreenGoRed on December 15, 2010, 07:40:16 AM
How much do you think the departure of Tim Whittle has affected Wash U?

This is a great question.  I have heard similar comments and concerns and I am sure that the loss of Coach Whittle is significant.  But for me, it is hard to know how significant the loss, not only because of the loss of four starters in 2010, but because of the loss of one key starter in 2009: Tyler Nading.

I have said this before here, but I do think that Nading was one of the best basketball players I have ever seen.  I am prone to exaggeration, but without Tyler Nading, the Bears may have bowed out in the 2009 Wheaton regional and this conversation may have never happened.

I would love to ask Sean Wallace who he enjoyed playing with the most in his four years on the floor.  I suspect his answer would be Nading and vice versa.

Wallis would be a little bias. He'd have to pick his best friend  ;D Nading was also the most versatile athlete on the floor and could play (at an All-American level) basically 2-5.

Nading was incredible, and his graduation was huge, but if you look at Ruths, Wallis, Nading, Thompson (and then excellent role players), who is next in line? Maybe I'm missing someone who could step up on this current squad (Spencer Gay is certainly coming into his own), but that talent pipeline was amazing over that stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 18, 2010, 10:40:30 AM
Dec. 18
Carnegie Mellon at St. John Fisher    2:00 PM    
Hiram at Case Western Reserve    3:00 PM    
Ill. Wesleyan at Washington (Mo.)    4:00 PM


Massey (http://www.masseyratings.com/pred.php?s=101140&sub=&days=1) has it being a close one today at the Fieldhouse, with WashU taking the winning nod.

IWU (7-1) 66.6 WashU (4-4) 68.8 (58%)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 18, 2010, 11:32:21 AM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on December 16, 2010, 12:47:30 PM
Maybe I'm missing someone who could step up on this current squad (Spencer Gay is certainly coming into his own), but that talent pipeline was amazing over that stretch.

I am particularly excited about the game today between Washington University and Illinois Wesleyan.  This will be the best home court test we get before the conference season begins.

In terms of the question, the newcomer of the year so far has been Tim Cooney.  He reminds me a lot of Cam Smith, with his offensive acumen and his defensive and rebounding skills.  And, I am happy with the play of both Hoener and Aboona.  Time will tell if there is ever going to be as much excitement as there was with this team over the past 5-6 years.

I think we are going to need a few career games from, well, everybody today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 18, 2010, 11:34:06 AM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on December 18, 2010, 10:40:30 AM
Ill. Wesleyan at Washington (Mo.)    4:00 PM

If you are coming in today, or watching online, that game is actually at 3:00 pm.

Video: http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/wustl.portal#
Live stats: http://bearsports-livestats.wustl.edu/Basketball/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 18, 2010, 11:41:36 AM
4:00 ET, 3:00 CT.  Schedule page has it listed in ET.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 18, 2010, 05:03:43 PM
I guess we bought into CWRU a little too early.  The lost by 34 to Hiram today to drop to 2-6.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 18, 2010, 05:41:47 PM
Buzzer beater 3 by Aboona to tie the WU-IWU game at the end of regulation, WashU now up 6 wth 1.5 minutes to play in OT.

WashU wins.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 18, 2010, 06:38:44 PM
Not at all what I expected.  Spencer Gay held scoreless in the first half and somehow Washington University is only down by one at the half.

I thought that game was over when Rosenkranz got the steal and layup along with the weak foul by Toth and the free throw to take the two point lead.  And, then we have Aboona with the off balance three pointer to force overtime.

How about the Bears outscoring Illinois Wesleyan 15-7 in overtime?  Wow!  The best five minutes I have seen all season.

I talked about career games, mostly jokingly.  Robert Burnett is probably going to be up all night thinking about his performance today, or maybe studying.  Eight points on 4-5 shooting and six rebounds and some hefty defense.  Congratulations on a great game. 

Max Needle, Alan Aboona, Ben Hoener, all great today.  Dylan Richter, 21 points (7-12 from the field).  Spencer Gay, frustrated early, but makes it a great game.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 19, 2010, 03:24:11 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 18, 2010, 05:03:43 PM
I guess we bought into CWRU a little too early.  The lost by 34 to Hiram today to drop to 2-6.

One big issue for the Spartans is turnovers.  They have double the turnovers of their oponents this year.  The p/g margin is -8.5.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 19, 2010, 04:24:49 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on December 19, 2010, 03:24:11 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 18, 2010, 05:03:43 PM
I guess we bought into CWRU a little too early.  The lost by 34 to Hiram today to drop to 2-6.

One big issue for the Spartans is turnovers.  They have double the turnovers of their oponents this year.  The p/g margin is -8.5.

But that doesnt explain why they have been playing so bad (why are they making so many turnovers?).  Are there injuries? Anything else that explains this?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on December 19, 2010, 04:31:16 PM
I watched a bit of the Case/Hiram game, and was a little surprised to see how effective Hiram's pressure defense was.  Case seemed to have no clue how to handle it, and it resulted in many turnovers and easy buckets for the Terriers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 19, 2010, 04:37:17 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 19, 2010, 04:31:16 PM
I watched a bit of the Case/Hiram game, and was a little surprised to see how effective Hiram's pressure defense was.  Case seemed to have no clue how to handle it, and it resulted in many turnovers and easy buckets for the Terriers.

Is it an issue with the talent of the guards then, or game preparation?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on December 19, 2010, 08:08:49 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 19, 2010, 04:37:17 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 19, 2010, 04:31:16 PM
I watched a bit of the Case/Hiram game, and was a little surprised to see how effective Hiram's pressure defense was.  Case seemed to have no clue how to handle it, and it resulted in many turnovers and easy buckets for the Terriers.

Is it an issue with the talent of the guards then, or game preparation?
I can't really tell much from 2500 miles away, based on a few minutes of video shot from inside the student workout center high above Horsburgh.  What I can say is that I'm more familiar with Hiram, a very aggressive and athletic team, and although they deserve a fair amount of credit for forcing the turnovers, other teams they have faced have not had as much difficulty with Hiram's press.  It looked to me like CWRU had no plan to attack it, they'd just inbound it more or less like normal and watch the receiver get trapped while providing insufficient help.  If there were any set press-breaking plays available, it sure didn't look like they were used.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 19, 2010, 08:11:59 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 19, 2010, 08:08:49 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 19, 2010, 04:37:17 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 19, 2010, 04:31:16 PM
I watched a bit of the Case/Hiram game, and was a little surprised to see how effective Hiram's pressure defense was.  Case seemed to have no clue how to handle it, and it resulted in many turnovers and easy buckets for the Terriers.

Is it an issue with the talent of the guards then, or game preparation?
I can't really tell much from 2500 miles away, based on a few minutes of video shot from inside the student workout center high above Horsburgh.  What I can say is that I'm more familiar with Hiram, a very aggressive and athletic team, and although they deserve a fair amount of credit for forcing the turnovers, other teams they have faced have not had as much difficulty with Hiram's press.  It looked to me like CWRU had no plan to attack it, they'd just inbound it more or less like normal and watch the receiver get trapped while providing insufficient help.  If there were any set press-breaking plays available, it sure didn't look like they were used.

David, you dont give yourself enough credit, it sounds like you made a pretty educated assessment from 2500 miles away, in just a few minutes...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 20, 2010, 01:12:48 PM
In case anyone missed it. Video of the buzzer-beating three-pointer from WashU's Alboona to force overtime with IWU
Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm7BTPkiqas&feature=player_embedded)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 20, 2010, 06:01:11 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on December 20, 2010, 01:12:48 PM
In case anyone missed it. Video of the buzzer-beating three-pointer from WashU's Alboona to force overtime with IWU
Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm7BTPkiqas&feature=player_embedded)

The Titans had defended the inbound pass with such tenacity in the previous 2-3 possessions, forcing at least one time out, that I was surprised they backed off on the last possession.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 20, 2010, 06:07:42 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 20, 2010, 06:01:11 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on December 20, 2010, 01:12:48 PM
In case anyone missed it. Video of the buzzer-beating three-pointer from WashU's Alboona to force overtime with IWU
Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm7BTPkiqas&feature=player_embedded)

The Titans had defended the inbound pass with such tenacity in the previous 2-3 possessions, forcing at least one time out, that I was surprised they backed off on the last possession.

Agreed... and in overtime forced a timeout and a couple other tough inbounds passes. The word in the huddle must have been "don't foul" so they backed off the pressure.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 20, 2010, 06:28:05 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on December 20, 2010, 06:07:42 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 20, 2010, 06:01:11 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on December 20, 2010, 01:12:48 PM
In case anyone missed it. Video of the buzzer-beating three-pointer from WashU's Alboona to force overtime with IWU
Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm7BTPkiqas&feature=player_embedded)

The Titans had defended the inbound pass with such tenacity in the previous 2-3 possessions, forcing at least one time out, that I was surprised they backed off on the last possession.

Agreed... and in overtime forced a timeout and a couple other tough inbounds passes. The word in the huddle must have been "don't foul" so they backed off the pressure.

It is confusing why they would not foul.  Up 3 with 5 seconds left and there is no intentional foul rule in NCAA like the NBA (in the NBA there is an automatic intentional if the fould takes place before the ball is inbounded).  One could argue that they should have fouled at any point when the ball was in the backcourt.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 20, 2010, 07:21:05 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 20, 2010, 06:28:05 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on December 20, 2010, 06:07:42 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 20, 2010, 06:01:11 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on December 20, 2010, 01:12:48 PM
In case anyone missed it. Video of the buzzer-beating three-pointer from WashU's Alboona to force overtime with IWU
Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm7BTPkiqas&feature=player_embedded)

The Titans had defended the inbound pass with such tenacity in the previous 2-3 possessions, forcing at least one time out, that I was surprised they backed off on the last possession.

Agreed... and in overtime forced a timeout and a couple other tough inbounds passes. The word in the huddle must have been "don't foul" so they backed off the pressure.

It is confusing why they would not foul.  Up 3 with 5 seconds left and there is no intentional foul rule in NCAA like the NBA (in the NBA there is an automatic intentional if the fould takes place before the ball is inbounded).  One could argue that they should have fouled at any point when the ball was in the backcourt.

Agreed.  I'm a big fan of Ron Rose, but I think that was a brain-fart. :P

(Of course, I may just be permanently scarred from the Pistons having an identical situation and letting Kobe tie them (and beat them in OT) in a crucial playoff game. ::)  Up three, no more than 5-6 seconds, FOUL - as long as it is not in the act of shooting a 3! :o)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 21, 2010, 12:06:41 AM
So, the WashU men definitely looked good against IWU and are getting healthier as the season wears on, which is usually pretty unusual... It will be a pretty exciting UAA season as the IWU win now put a little less pressure on WashU to win the UAA. It will still take an excellent conference record to get into the NCAAs, but protecting home court is obviously one of the biggest factors in a UAA squad's fate, and IWU was a stepping stone in that regard. I think that the game held a "do or die" emotion for the squad. I'm itching for conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: CSC Spartan on December 21, 2010, 11:01:51 AM
By the way,NYU's Sam Cieplicki left program?
what's matter with him?
he came from St.Micheal's college(D2) in VT.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on December 21, 2010, 08:05:18 PM
So according to the top 25, Brandeis is currently the UAA favorite, followed by NYU, and then Emory.  I know this is based on current records and all, but there is no way NYU is better than WashU.  If I had to bet, I would say that WashU will win the UAA, with Brandeis in the mix at the top.  Emory probably 3rd, followed by Rohester and NYU at 4 and 5. With Chicago, Case, and CMU bringing up the rear.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 22, 2010, 11:27:50 AM
I hope you are right!  Although, I feel that there will several more close games and nail-biting finishes this conference season. 

It will be fun...can't wait to get started!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: auwnj on December 28, 2010, 06:37:20 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 19, 2010, 08:11:59 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 19, 2010, 08:08:49 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 19, 2010, 04:37:17 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 19, 2010, 04:31:16 PM
I watched a bit of the Case/Hiram game, and was a little surprised to see how effective Hiram's pressure defense was.  Case seemed to have no clue how to handle it, and it resulted in many turnovers and easy buckets for the Terriers.

Is it an issue with the talent of the guards then, or game preparation?
I can't really tell much from 2500 miles away, based on a few minutes of video shot from inside the student workout center high above Horsburgh.  What I can say is that I'm more familiar with Hiram, a very aggressive and athletic team, and although they deserve a fair amount of credit for forcing the turnovers, other teams they have faced have not had as much difficulty with Hiram's press.  It looked to me like CWRU had no plan to attack it, they'd just inbound it more or less like normal and watch the receiver get trapped while providing insufficient help.  If there were any set press-breaking plays available, it sure didn't look like they were used.

David, you dont give yourself enough credit, it sounds like you made a pretty educated assessment from 2500 miles away, in just a few minutes...




I've watched CWRU a couple of times.  In addition to turnovers, I think they need to improve on defense, shot selection and movement on offense.  They give up a lot of points, take a lot of 3s, and don't seem to cut or drive to the basket.



fixing quote formatting...dc
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 04, 2011, 04:53:02 PM
I am ready to walk over for the annual staff day game at the Field House as Washington University takes on Benedictine out of the Northern Athletic Conference.  $1 hot dogs!

I was looking at the archives to see how many NAC teams we have played, thinking that I have never seen a NAC team other than Benedictine when I lived in Chicago when I noticed that Washington University has a 31-72 record with the University of Missouri. 

WUSTL has played Mizzou more than any other team even though the last meeting was 50 years ago.  Not surprising though considering that both schools were founding members of the Missouri Valley Conference.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 04, 2011, 07:21:18 PM
Washington University over Benedictine University, 67-52.  Nothing to report.  Benedictine did not play like a 7-5 team, so the Bears got away with mediocre play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 06, 2011, 08:34:37 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on October 26, 2010, 10:31:13 PM
I think it will depend on what type of offense they try to run.  If they are going to slow it down, Duerr may be the better option as he has 45 pounds on Thompson.  From what I have heard of Thompson, he is a great athlete, as well as having tremendous size and length.  He may fit better in an uptempo offense, or at the 4 alongside Duerr.  I wouldnt be surprised to see Thompson earn himself more minutes as the season progresses.

After beginning the seson sideline by injury, David Thompson has played in thye Spartans last four games.  His performance in the first three games would charitably be described as rusty ( 5pf in 8 mins in his second game).

Sunday at Oberlin though he played a season high 24 minutes (9 more than Duerr), scored 13 pts on 3-4 FG and 7-8 FT, and pulled down 8 boards
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 06, 2011, 09:44:53 PM
Good to hear he is healthy, maybe he can help Case turn their season around.  Still plenty of time as conference play hasnt started yet.  They arent getting an at-large with 7 losses, but maybe if they can live up to that preseason 2nd conference selection, they may be able to compete for that AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 07, 2011, 06:34:37 AM
I went to see the Brandeis at Emerson game yesterday, which Brandeis won by a score of 65-54.

Brandeis frosh Youri Dascy had a double-double with 21 pts and 11 rebounds.

So far, I have been pleased with the non-conference start on the part of this young Brandeis men's team.

Overall, I thought Brandeis played well in the tune-up game.   Emerson hit 11 of 33 from 3 pt range to stay in the game, but overall, I felt the game played about as expected.

I'm looking forward to Saturday's match with NYU and the rest of the UAA conference slate.   On the men's side, all of the games this weekend look to be very competitive and close affairs going into tomorrow's play.  As always, surprises can happen on any given game day.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 07, 2011, 11:56:31 AM
I agree...the UAA gauntlet will be especially tough to get through this season.  Lots of nail-biting fun for fans every weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 08, 2011, 04:24:29 PM
Back and forth in the Ratner Center with the Maroons.  Almost 15 less viewers than with the Women's game.  Bears leading 12-11 after seven minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 08, 2011, 04:28:47 PM
18-11 Washington University.

WUSTL has more Chicago-area players in the game then Chicago and many more on the team.  Welcome to the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: NYCHOOPER on January 08, 2011, 04:33:37 PM
UAA refs are so biased for the hometeam...except for in NYC where they are just terrible in general.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: NYCHOOPER on January 08, 2011, 04:45:39 PM
When a team consistently loses in the last 2 minutes of a game something must be done.

It's unacceptable. I've seen it year after year after year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 08, 2011, 05:13:09 PM
Brandeis defeats NYU 61-59.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: NYCHOOPER on January 08, 2011, 05:18:58 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 08, 2011, 05:13:09 PM
Brandeis defeats NYU 61-59.

Judges were down 1 with 2.1 seconds left and won on a curling fadeaway 3. Heartbreaker for NYU who were in control till the last two or three minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 08, 2011, 05:39:09 PM
The Bears are facing a possible heartbreaker as well, though Chicago has been able to keep the upper hand since taking the lead in the second.

76-74 with 19 seconds left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 08, 2011, 06:01:00 PM
Chicago takes down Washington University 79-77.  The Bears led by as many as 12 in the first half but a run late in the second and great second half defense made all the difference.

Matt Johnson was the offensive star today with 25 points, Matt McKenzie with 15 points for the Maroons.

Spencer Gay had a phenomenal first half, finishing with 21 for the game, but he did not get the looks in the second that he did in the first.  The men follow the lead of the women, getting outdone at the charity stripe with both teams losing by two.

In other news, Rochester smokes Emory 81-65 while Carnegie Mellon leads Case Western at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: lileyes on January 08, 2011, 07:46:43 PM
Case beat Carnegie Melon by 2 in Pittsburgh
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: theBroadcaster on January 09, 2011, 04:26:46 PM
Video of Derek Retos' buzzer-beater for brandeis yesterday:

http://www.brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/videos/retos.flv
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2011, 04:36:10 PM
That one certainly will hit D3hoops buzzerbeaters... that wasn't even a shot, but rather a running half hook, half shotput !!!!!   thanks for sharing....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 11, 2011, 03:11:57 PM
New York University is finally rewarded for the 10 wins and joins Brandeis in the Top 25.  Cold comfort for the heart breaker, for sure, but nice to have two schools in the rankings again. 

I am looking forward to the Friday-Sunday schedule which starts this weekend with Washington University and Chicago playing host to Emory and Rochester.  NYU and Brandeis have Carnegie Mellon and Case Western Reserve.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 11, 2011, 09:35:36 PM
New York University smokes Hunter, 85-59 while Brandeis overcomes an off night offensively with a 53-50 down to the wire win over Hunter on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 12, 2011, 04:16:30 AM
Quote from: WUH on January 11, 2011, 09:35:36 PM
New York University smokes Hunter, 85-59 while Brandeis overcomes an off night offensively with a 53-50 down to the wire win over Hunter on the road.

Actually,  Brandeis was at Bates last night, WUH.   (I knew you meant to say Bates, but miswrote Hunter instead, so I won't rib you too hard.  :))

Brandeis is now off to the best start in school history at 11-0, (this surpasses the previous record start of 10-0 set by the 1956-57 Brandeis squad) while NYU's Richie Polan became the 26th Violet to join NYU's 1,000 Point Club last night.    Congrats on both accomplishments.

Here is a  news article on Brandeis's historic start  (http://www.wickedlocal.com/waltham/sports/x1958449175/Brandeis-University-mens-basketball-team-looks-to-build-on-perfection) that appeared in the Waltham (MA) News Tribune hours before Brandeis took on Bates yesterday.

Comments from NYU coach Joe Nesci are included in the NYU post-game report vs Hunter which can be found  here.  (http://www.gonyuathletics.com/news/2011/1/11/MBB_0111110457.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 12, 2011, 11:59:03 AM
Thanks for the correction.  I am prone to mistakes when I type on my desktop.  I am even worse on my Palm.

I am getting excited for the game tonight as Washington University travels three miles south to Webster University.  I can walk to the Webster gym from my house, but I will not do that tonight as the temperature drops to 15 degrees (-20 wind chill).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 12, 2011, 10:46:43 PM
Webster 61, Wash U 58 Final

Wash U videocasted this road game from Grant Gymnasium on the Webster campus-- approx 5 miles from the Wash U campus.

The Gorloks deserved the victory-- it is just their second victory ever in the series.

Key stat from tonight:

Webster hit 9 of 21 from 3 pt land (42%)

Wash U hit 1 of 16 from 3 pt range-- Wash U did not score a trey in the first 34 min of the game-- Caleb Knepper of the Bears finally hit one with under 6 min remaining in the game.  

According to Jay Murry's call of the game-- Webster started with man to man defense and Wash U jumped to a 12 pt lead.   Webster then went to zone defenses and Wash U could not solve them.

The game ended up tied at the half at 21 a piece, and Webster took the lead in the second half and held on for the win.

Wash U suffers their 6th straight road loss this year.  
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 12, 2011, 11:23:48 PM
That pretty well sums it up. Nice job.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 12, 2011, 11:44:37 PM
Actually, it is a little over three miles from campus to campus as I said earlier.  The best thing about tonight was that my home is within walking distance of the gym.  I was able to get home and distract myself with the Florida State win over Duke.

The Bears scored three points in the last 10 minutes of the first half.  And, the key stat explains a lot though I am not sure that I have seen this team throw so many away.  Way too many mistakes.  And, to go 1-16 from three point range just a few days after going 11-18.  Wow!

I watch most every Webster-Washington University match-up from soccer to volleyball to basketball and this is the first time I have ever seen the Bears lose.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 12, 2011, 11:50:12 PM
If you'ld been around a few years ago and had been following softball you'ld have seen a few more Wash U losses. And there was baseball last year as well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on January 13, 2011, 10:09:49 AM
WUH... I think you better check out some of the scores involving balls and bats!!!!!! ;D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2011, 08:03:27 PM
Men's action about to get underway shortly in the eastern half, as Brandeis looks to extend their school record start tonight as they play at Skibo Gym against Carnegie Mellon.

NYU will also tip off shortly at Case.

Later at approx 8 PM Central/9 PM Eastern, Wash U hosts Emory, while Chicago hosts Rochester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2011, 09:02:46 PM
Halftime scores in the early men's games:

Brandeis leading Carnegie Mellon 34-31 at the break, while Case leads NYU, 41-39 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: kiltieband on January 14, 2011, 09:59:51 PM
Carnegie Mellon defeats Brandeis 53-52 as Brandeis holds the ball for the last shot and it is blocked as time expires.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2011, 10:08:06 PM
Quote from: kiltieband on January 14, 2011, 09:59:51 PM
Carnegie Mellon defeats Brandeis 53-52 as Brandeis holds the ball for the last shot and it is blocked as time expires.

Case is leading NYU, 78-76 with 2 seconds remaining.

This is why the UAA is so exciting--  most of the games so far have gone to the final minute.

Brandeis's school record 11 win start comes to an end tonight as CMU snaps a 6 game losing streak.

Brandeis men at 11-1 going into Sunday's game at Case.

Case has just defeated NYU, 80-76 Final, sweeping the doubleheader tonight over NYU at Horsburgh Gym as the Case women defeated NYU earlier today.  (According to the Case announcers, this is the first time in Case history that this feat of sweeping the home doubleheader over NYU has happened.)

Off to watch video streams in the Midwest as the Chicago and Wash U games are now in the second half....

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: NYCHOOPER on January 14, 2011, 10:10:14 PM
anyone watch the case v nyu game?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2011, 10:12:53 PM
Game resets in the Midwest:

Wash U leading Emory, 54-46 with 14:13 left in regulation.

Chicago leading Rochester, 55-54 with 8:58 left in regulation.

So far, the only blowout in UAA men's play has been Rochester's win over Emory last week.

Both of the Midwest games seemed poised to go to the final minute right now at this rate, IMO....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 14, 2011, 10:26:31 PM
2nd half struggles again for Wash U  Bears trail 60-56 with 5:10 left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 14, 2011, 10:41:02 PM
Chicago 79-73 final over Rochester
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 14, 2011, 10:43:21 PM
Emory 69-68 final over Wash U.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 14, 2011, 10:52:21 PM
Of CWRU's 80 points 31 came off the bench and 44 by newcomers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on January 16, 2011, 02:26:15 AM
Good upset victory by CWRU over NYU.

The next home game against Brandeis should be a hum-dinger!!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2011, 07:06:46 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on January 14, 2011, 10:52:21 PM
Of CWRU's 80 points 31 came off the bench and 44 by newcomers.

A little more info on the newcomers who scored the 44 points for Case in their victory over NYU.

3 of those newcomers are true freshmen--

1.)  Tim Chung-- 17 pts vs NYU on Friday-- career high for Chung-- 6-2 G-- came off bench

2.)  David Thompson-- 8 pts, 7 rbs vs NYU on Friday-- 6-9 C-- came off bench

3.)  Mike Byrne-- 4 pts vs NYU on Friday-- 5-10 G-- started

The other newcomer is Austin Fowler, a sophomore at Case who played for DI St. Francis (PA) Red Flash in the Northeast Conference last season.   Fowler averaged 6.6 min per game last season for the Red Flash and scored 24 pts for the season in his rookie campaign.

4.)  Austin Fowler -- 15 pts vs NYU on Friday-- 6-6 So. G-- started

It will be interesting to see how these four Case players will match up against the Brandeis rookie class today.

Stat of note:  Brandeis freshman Derek Retos is 0-6 from 3 pt range this week (0-1 vs Bates, 0-5 vs Carnegie Mellon) vs  after hitting that buzzerbeater against NYU.  He looks due to sink some treys today.  Retos came in at #1 in NCAA DIII in 3 point FG percentage at 59.4% from 3 pt land before the Bates game.

Coming into the Case game today, Retos's 3 pt FG percentage has dropped to 52.7% from 3 pt land, but that is still very good-- that is still #1 in the UAA among the men, but Emory junior Alex Gulotta, who is hitting 51.1% from 3 pt land, is close behind......
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 16, 2011, 09:35:06 AM
Chung is now Spartans' fourth leading scorer, averaging 8.4 points and 17.5 mins as the sixth man.  He is 27-79 3pt FG  In the closing minutes of the NYU game he stole an in-bounds pass and got a lay-up at the 5 minute mark and made 5 for 6 FTs in the last 33 ticks to preserve the win.

Thompson missed the first seven games w/injury.  He also had three blocks v NYU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2011, 12:39:00 PM
Halftime from Skibo Gym:

Carnegie Mellon 33, NYU 31

NYU was down by 16 with 8:17 remaining in the first half, but has gone on a 18-4 run since then to cut the CMU lead to 2 at the half.

Halftime from Horsburgh Gym:

Case 31, Brandeis 22

Case shot the ball well in the first half, 12-22 from the field, 3-5 from 3 pt land, and 4-6 from the charity stripe.

Brandeis's shooting in the first half was a little better than their shooting in the 2nd half vs CMU.

Brandeis shot 8 of 25 from the field in this half, 2-7 from 3 pt range  (Ruben Kanya and Vytas Kriskus of Brandeis hitting 1 trey a piece), and 4-6 from the charity stripe.

Brandeis needs to step up their defense in the second half and handle the ball a little bit better-- The Judges committed 16 turnovers in the first-- most of those were travelling violations.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2011, 01:08:12 PM
Midwest action today--

Rochester leads Wash U, 41-26 at the half.  Game tipped at 11:30 AM Central.

Rochester was up 21 over Wash U with 3:08 remaining in the half before Wash U went on a 6-0 run to close the half.

Emory at Chicago has just tipped-- no score early in the second minute.

Game reset from Pittsburgh-- Skibo Gym

Carnegie Mellon 54, NYU 49 with 10:29 remaining in regulation.

Game reset from Cleveland-- Horsburgh Gym

Case 35, Brandeis 26 with 14:18 remaining in regulation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2011, 01:23:10 PM
Carnegie Mellon 64, NYU 62 4:48 left

This game from Skibo Gym looks poised to go to the final minute.

Case 43, Brandeis 35  9:35 remaining.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2011, 01:41:02 PM
Final from Skibo Gym

Carnegie Mellon 76, NYU 70

CMU defense holds NYU's Richie Polan to only 4 pts today.

CMU goes to 2-1 in the UAA.

NYU falls to 0-3 in the UAA.

Game reset from Horsburgh Gym

Case 52, Brandeis 50  4:19 remaining.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2011, 02:01:49 PM
Case vs Brandeis has gone down to the final minute.

Final   Case 66, Brandeis 63

With 3 seconds remaining, Case ball up by 1  Tim Chung got fouled by Ruben Kanya.   (Kanya fouling out in the process).

Case's Tim Chung went 2-2 from the line to seal it at 66-63.   Case defense holds on in the final 1.7 seconds to win.

Ruben Kanya had a big game for Brandeis.  Derek Retos 0-2 from 3 pt range today, so Retos has not hit a trey since his buzzer beater vs NYU.

Game reset in Midwest action

Rochester leading Wash U, 81-74 with 31 seconds remaining.   Wash U could be going to 0-3 in the UAA.

Emory leading at Chicago, 51-44 with 15:44 remaining at the Ratner Center.

Game reset:  Rochester 84, Wash U 80  15 seconds remaining.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2011, 02:14:24 PM
Sounds like another typical game day in the UAA...

Thanks for the game report.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2011, 02:17:16 PM
Final from the Wash U Field House in St. Louis

Rochester 86, Wash U 80

Wash U drops to 0-3 in the UAA

Game reset from Chicago

Emory 58, Chicago 55 with 10:46 remaining.

I will follow the live stats of that one along with the early UAA women's action.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2011, 02:28:35 PM
Game reset from Chicago

Chicago and Emory are tied at 64 a piece with 5:22 remaining.

An Emory win leaves Case alone in first in the UAA, while Chicago will be tied with Case in first at 3-0 in the UAA if the Maroons win.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2011, 02:36:57 PM
Game reset from Chicago

Emory 72, Chicago 70  1:11 remaining

Tom Williams from Chicago has just hit a 3 to cut Chicago's deficit to 2.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2011, 02:48:54 PM
Final from the Ratner Center in Chicago, IL--

Emory 78,  Chicago 70

Case is now alone in first place at 3-0 in the UAA as Emory has swept the Midwest trip.

Wash U is now 3 games back of first place.

Emory, Chicago, Rochester and Carnegie Mellon are 1 game back at 2-1 in the UAA--  Brandeis is 2 games back at 1-2 in the UAA.

NYU joins Wash U at 3 games behind the pace after the first two weekends of UAA action.

There are 11 UAA games left for each team to play.

Emory junior Alex Gulotta hit 2 of 6 from 3 pt land today, while Brandeis freshman Derek Retos was held without a trey for the week after his buzzer beater trey vs NYU in UAA Week 1.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on January 16, 2011, 10:20:46 PM
WOW!!!!

Just WOW!!!

Case just knocked off BACK TO BACK ranked opponents!!!!

I can't remember that EVER happening!!!

Let's hope that they can keep this up.

GO SPARTANS!!!

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/sports_men/mbasketball/stats/2010-11/vs_brandeis.html (http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/sports_men/mbasketball/stats/2010-11/vs_brandeis.html)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 16, 2011, 11:05:55 PM
Quote from: JagranSpartan on January 16, 2011, 10:20:46 PM
WOW!!!!

Just WOW!!!

Case just knocked off BACK TO BACK ranked opponents!!!!

I can't remember that EVER happening!!!

Let's hope that they can keep this up.

GO SPARTANS!!!

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/sports_men/mbasketball/stats/2010-11/vs_brandeis.html (http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/sports_men/mbasketball/stats/2010-11/vs_brandeis.html)

Who knew the Case/CMU weekend would be so tough!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 18, 2011, 02:18:37 AM
 New Top 25 poll is up.  (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2010-11/week7)

Week 7 poll standings

Brandeis-- #21-- 137 points

Other UAA teams receiving votes:   Emory 2 points, NYU 1 point
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 18, 2011, 06:07:57 AM
New edition of Brandeis student newspaper The Justice is out today (Jan. 18) with an article on Brandeis men's basketball's 11 game winning streak coming to an end at Carnegie Mellon and Case.

The article by Max Goldstein includes comments by Brandeis men's basketball coach Brian Meehan on the CMU/Case weekend.

The article can be found at:  http://media.www.thejustice.org/media/storage/paper573/news/2011/01/18/Sports/Mens-Basketball.Historic.Streak.Snapped.At.11.Games-3968895.shtml  (http://media.www.thejustice.org/media/storage/paper573/news/2011/01/18/Sports/Mens-Basketball.Historic.Streak.Snapped.At.11.Games-3968895.shtml)

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 18, 2011, 04:06:28 PM
New edition of Emory student newspaper the Emory Wheel is out for January 17.

Emory Wheel Staff Writer Dan Ziment wrote this article on the Emory men's basketball team's performance in their first three UAA games.

The article includes comments from Emory player Alex Greven and can be found at:

http://www.emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=29161  (http://www.emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=29161)

Note:  Alex Greven is calling Emory coach Jason Zimmerman by the player-given nickname: "Coach Z"
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 19, 2011, 03:49:34 AM
The "Eagle Watch" on the Emory Athletics Web site has just recorded some comments from Emory men's basketball coach Jason Zimmerman.   These comments review the three UAA games that Emory has played, and give a preview of the upcoming Case/Carnegie Mellon weekend for the Eagles.  The video is almost 3 min. long.

The "Eagle Watch" can be found on the Emory men's basketball site at:

http://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/index  (http://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/index)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 19, 2011, 08:28:10 AM
The Wash U Student Life student newspaper has just come out with their first edition of the second semester today, Jan. 19, 2011

In the Student Life paper today, Wash U Student Life sports reporter Alex Cornblath has an article on the recent struggles of the Wash U men's basketball team.    The article has brief comments from Wash U head coach Mark Edwards, as well as from Wash U players Caleb Knepper and Dylan Richter.

The article can be found at:

http://www.studlife.com/sports/mens-basketball/2011/01/19/bears-open-uaa-play-0-3-for-the-first-time-in-25-seasons/  (http://www.studlife.com/sports/mens-basketball/2011/01/19/bears-open-uaa-play-0-3-for-the-first-time-in-25-seasons/)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 20, 2011, 04:28:38 PM
 Weather update for Boston

National Weather Service declares Winter Storm Warning from  2 AM Eastern to 3 PM Eastern Friday January 21 for the metro Boston area.


Weather forecast is calling for 7 to 10 inches of snow to fall on Boston Friday morning into early Friday afternoon.

This does not impact travel for Chicago-- except from going from the hotel to/and from campus for shootaround-- as they will arrive in Boston tonight before the snow hits.  The UAA doubleheader will play Friday night as scheduled.

However, this may impact my ability to travel to Brandeis to see Friday evening's doubleheader vs. Chicago.  I will make a decision tomorrow morning when I see how bad it is snowing-- in this age of internet technology, I may lean toward staying home and not travelling to Waltham.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 20, 2011, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 20, 2011, 04:28:38 PM
  Weather update for Boston

National Weather Service declares Winter Storm Warning from  2 AM Eastern to 3 PM Eastern Friday January 21 for the metro Boston area


Weather forecast is calling for 7 to 10 inches of snow to fall on Boston Friday morning into early Friday afternoon.

This does not impact travel for Chicago-- except from going from the hotel to/and from campus for shootaround-- as they will arrive in Boston tonight before the snow hits.  The UAA doubleheader will play Friday night as scheduled.

However, this may impact my ability to travel to Brandeis to see Friday evening's doubleheader vs. Chicago.  I will make a decision tomorrow morning when I see how bad it is snowing-- in this age of internet technology, I may lean toward staying home and not travelling to Waltham.

Well, aren't you a wimpy fan! :o ;D

In Chicago, 7-10 inches is considered 'snow flurries'. :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 20, 2011, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 20, 2011, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 20, 2011, 04:28:38 PM
  Weather update for Boston

National Weather Service declares Winter Storm Warning from  2 AM Eastern to 3 PM Eastern Friday January 21 for the metro Boston area


Weather forecast is calling for 7 to 10 inches of snow to fall on Boston Friday morning into early Friday afternoon.

This does not impact travel for Chicago-- except from going from the hotel to/and from campus for shootaround-- as they will arrive in Boston tonight before the snow hits.  The UAA doubleheader will play Friday night as scheduled.

However, this may impact my ability to travel to Brandeis to see Friday evening's doubleheader vs. Chicago.  I will make a decision tomorrow morning when I see how bad it is snowing-- in this age of internet technology, I may lean toward staying home and not travelling to Waltham.

Well, aren't you a wimpy fan! :o ;D

In Chicago, 7-10 inches is considered 'snow flurries'. :D

I have been to Chicago with the Brandeis basketball teams during one of these storms a few years ago, and I have made the trip to Brandeis before during winter storms.    I have also been to Rochester in the snow belt as well, and I may indeed make the trip after all-- I just have not made a decision as to whether or not I will definitely do this trip.  However,  it may mean that I may have to travel in the height of the storm-- between 8 AM and noon-- just when it is snowing the heaviest-- to get me time needed to get from Canton, MA to Waltham, MA., as the MBTA commuter rail will be slow tomorrow.  When I was 25 to 30 years old, I wouldn't hesitate on this-- and I may just travel in the early morning too, as this is not a blizzard. 

I am also not driving-- so this is not a problem.   However, the commuter rail will be slowed by this storm.

The winter storm warning was just issued by the National Weather Service at 3:50 PM Eastern today- it initially was not supposed to be as bad as this in my immediate area.

Remember, my area has just been hit by two blizzards over the past month.-- not exactly of the magnitude of the Blizzard of '78, but they did have significant impact in the metro Boston area-- shutting down intercity bus and Amtrak in the height of both storms, for instance.  Fortunately, I did not lose power in either one of those storms, but communities south of mine did lose power in them.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2011, 05:49:09 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 20, 2011, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 20, 2011, 04:28:38 PM
  Weather update for Boston

National Weather Service declares Winter Storm Warning from  2 AM Eastern to 3 PM Eastern Friday January 21 for the metro Boston area


Weather forecast is calling for 7 to 10 inches of snow to fall on Boston Friday morning into early Friday afternoon.

This does not impact travel for Chicago-- except from going from the hotel to/and from campus for shootaround-- as they will arrive in Boston tonight before the snow hits.  The UAA doubleheader will play Friday night as scheduled.

However, this may impact my ability to travel to Brandeis to see Friday evening's doubleheader vs. Chicago.  I will make a decision tomorrow morning when I see how bad it is snowing-- in this age of internet technology, I may lean toward staying home and not travelling to Waltham.

Well, aren't you a wimpy fan! :o ;D

In Chicago, 7-10 inches is considered 'snow flurries'. :D

??? Seven to ten inches of snow in Chicago over a twelve-hour period, like Boston's supposed to get tomorrow, would be a major disaster that people here would talk about for a very long time afterwards. That's about the same rate of accumulation per hour that resulted in the Great Blizzard of '79 that cost Michael Bilandic his job as the city's mayor and led to the rise of Jane Byrne.

Chicago is not in the Snow Belt; it's on the wrong side of Lake Michigan for that. It's western Michigan and northern Indiana that get all the heavy snowfall due to lake-effect snow.

Chicago isn't known for its heavy snowfall; it's known for its bitterly cold winter termperatures. Like this weekend's, f'rinstance. :(
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 20, 2011, 05:57:42 PM
Yeah, I know that - and have assured deis that I was just kidding him.  (To keep it a UAA joke, I probably should have said Rochester or CWRU, but it was UChi they were playing!)

I would have said Holland, but not sure whether Hope and Brandeis have ever played each other! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2011, 06:02:37 PM
If you want to talk about snow in a UAA citadel, the conversation begins and ends with Rochester. Seven to ten inches over twelve hours is a light dusting in the Kodak City.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 21, 2011, 12:16:26 AM
They are only expecting about 5-8 inches of snow in Boston, so its really just 5 hours at about an inch of snow an hour.  Unfortunately, those hours are supposed to be 6 - 11 AM tomorrow, so the morning commute will be rough.

http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/news/articles/snow-forecast-timing-northeast_2011-01-20
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 21, 2011, 06:42:13 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2011, 06:02:37 PM
If you want to talk about snow in a UAA citadel, the conversation begins and ends with Rochester. Seven to ten inches over twelve hours is a light dusting in the Kodak City.

Not sure they would even report that amount of snow.....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2011, 08:16:09 AM
Hello.

I just wanted to report that I left my home about 5:30 AM Eastern this morning.  The ride on the commuter rail wasn't bad.   I'm on the Brandeis campus now to ride out the storm-- I got to Brandeis around 8 AM Eastern.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 21, 2011, 12:24:44 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2011, 05:49:09 PM
Seven to ten inches of snow in Chicago over a twelve-hour period, like Boston's supposed to get tomorrow, would be a major disaster that people here would talk about for a very long time afterwards. That's about the same rate of accumulation per hour that resulted in the Great Blizzard of '79 that cost Michael Bilandic his job as the city's mayor and led to the rise of Jane Byrne.

I am not sure where you live, but my experience in Chicago was much different.  I lived in Chicago for four years and lived through a few 7-10 inch snows.  The response by the city was incredible, thanks to 1979.  In Rogers Park and Lincoln Park, at least, the streets are paved in salt and every street gets plowed.  I had to have a shovel in my SUV in order to get out of my parking spot on a few occasions.  I drove Lake Shore and Highway 90/94 and the worst commute I had in the snow was not much worse than my commute in the hours before Cubs games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 21, 2011, 01:32:34 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 21, 2011, 12:24:44 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2011, 05:49:09 PM
Seven to ten inches of snow in Chicago over a twelve-hour period, like Boston's supposed to get tomorrow, would be a major disaster that people here would talk about for a very long time afterwards. That's about the same rate of accumulation per hour that resulted in the Great Blizzard of '79 that cost Michael Bilandic his job as the city's mayor and led to the rise of Jane Byrne.

I am not sure where you live, but my experience in Chicago was much different.  I lived in Chicago for four years and lived through a few 7-10 inch snows.  The response by the city was incredible, thanks to 1979.  In Rogers Park and Lincoln Park, at least, the streets are paved in salt and every street gets plowed.  I had to have a shovel in my SUV in order to get out of my parking spot on a few occasions.  I drove Lake Shore and Highway 90/94 and the worst commute I had in the snow was not much worse than my commute in the hours before Cubs games.

I was stationed at Ft Ben Harrison (Uncle Ben's Rest Home) in Indianapolis the Winter of 77-78.  A blizzard blew through that wasn't supposed to be too bad in our area but was predicted to knock out Chicago.  So of course all of the heavy equipment at the base and I believe a lot of the stuff from Indy was sent to Chicago.  Of course it hit Indianapolis and closed the city for 3 days.  The dining halls on the base were closed and we were forbidden to go outside for 2 days.  Thank god for beer and snack machines in the barracks.  And the $20 travelers check I found that purchased a 36 cut sicilian pizza on the 3rd day.  Which I sold at a considerable profit. Ahhh....memories
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on January 21, 2011, 01:44:58 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 21, 2011, 01:32:34 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 21, 2011, 12:24:44 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2011, 05:49:09 PM
Seven to ten inches of snow in Chicago over a twelve-hour period, like Boston's supposed to get tomorrow, would be a major disaster that people here would talk about for a very long time afterwards. That's about the same rate of accumulation per hour that resulted in the Great Blizzard of '79 that cost Michael Bilandic his job as the city's mayor and led to the rise of Jane Byrne.

I am not sure where you live, but my experience in Chicago was much different.  I lived in Chicago for four years and lived through a few 7-10 inch snows.  The response by the city was incredible, thanks to 1979.  In Rogers Park and Lincoln Park, at least, the streets are paved in salt and every street gets plowed.  I had to have a shovel in my SUV in order to get out of my parking spot on a few occasions.  I drove Lake Shore and Highway 90/94 and the worst commute I had in the snow was not much worse than my commute in the hours before Cubs games.

I was stationed at Ft Ben Harrison (Uncle Ben's Rest Home) in Indianapolis the Winter of 77-78.  A blizzard blew through that wasn't supposed to be too bad in our area but was predicted to knock out Chicago.  So of course all of the heavy equipment at the base and I believe a lot of the stuff from Indy was sent to Chicago.  Of course it hit Indianapolis and closed the city for 3 days.  The dining halls on the base were closed and we were forbidden to go outside for 2 days.  Thank god for beer and snack machines in the barracks.  And the $20 travelers check I found that purchased a 36 cut sicilian pizza on the 3rd day.  Which I sold at a considerable profit. Ahhh....memories
I was living in rural Ohio at that time, a senior in a high school district that had 35,000 bus-miles per day, mostly over narrow, hilly, curvy, unpaved roads.  That blizzard shut down the school, and each time we got near to the point where we were dug out enough to re-open, and other storm would drift in and keep us closed.  We ended up being closed for almost the entire month of January (something like the 5th through the 28th.)  Outside my back door, the snow reached the roof of the house.  It was unreal.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 21, 2011, 08:59:21 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 21, 2011, 01:32:34 PM
beer and snack machines in the barracks.

I doubt that anyone who wasn't in the military has ever seen a beer vending machine.  At USAH Ft Campbell we had a company clerk whose first stop each mornng was the beer machine in the day room.

Anyone able to get the Emory video stream?

EU 51 CWRU 42 at the half  Spartans lead by 9 with about 5 mins left in half  7 unanswered Eagle points to end the half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 21, 2011, 09:02:51 PM
I joined in on the NYU/Washington University game just in time to watch Dylan Richter with a monster dunk, the alley-oop feed from Ben Hoener.

The game is all tied up, 56-56 with 12:00 to play.

Incidentally, I would love to see a beer vending machine.  That sounds great, as long as it serves Guinness or anything dark, though I imagine I might feel differently if I was in the military and had little else to choose from.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 21, 2011, 09:05:26 PM
In other UAA action, Brandeis leads Chicago, 37-36 with 15 minutes left to go in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 21, 2011, 09:15:27 PM
Richter had to come out after the dunk, probably with a cut, but is back in.  

Bears in the lead 68-66.  Gay with 19 points.  Hoener having a career scoring night with 16.

For NYU, Carl Yafee with 16 points, Andy Stein with 14.

5:28 left in the game.

_____

Game reset: I just opened a Guinness.  Mmmm.

_____

Game reset: Caleb Knepper is having possibly his best game of the season 4-4 from three point range since last entering the game, 4-7 for the game overall.  74-71 Bears with the lead.

_____

Game reset: Bears to inbound with 32 seconds left, up 76-74.  NYU has two fouls to give.

_____

Game reset: NYU fouls Hoener who misses the front end on the 1-1.  NYU with the rebound brings it down and then throws it away.  WUSTL to inbound.  20 seconds left.

_____

Game reset: Hoener connects on the next two fouls.  Bears up 78-74.  Bears with a defensive stop, Gay connects on two free throws.  NYU scores a quick two.  80-76 with 12.6 seconds left.

Final in New York, Washington University gets the win 80-76, moving to 1-3 in the UAA while New York moves to 0-4 in conference.

Congratulations to Ben Hoener on a career night in the Big Apple with 18 points and 6 assists.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 21, 2011, 10:12:03 PM
I am enjoying Ben's increased confidence in taking the ball to the basket and dissolving the blankets draped on Gay and Richter.  Having 3 players with double-digit scoring capability seems to exponentially improve a team's chances to be successful, compared to just 2.

Washington did a much better job contesting 3-point shots in the 2nd half.  I don't mind seeing the Bears trade 2s with teams, but they can't afford to get buried from 3-point range or trading their 2s for opponent 3s.

Well done Bears! 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 21, 2011, 10:19:35 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 21, 2011, 09:02:51 PM
I joined in on the NYU/Washington University game just in time to watch Dylan Richter with a monster dunk, the alley-oop feed from Ben Hoener.

The game is all tied up, 56-56 with 12:00 to play.

Incidentally, I would love to see a beer vending machine.  That sounds great, as long as it serves Guinness or anything dark, though I imagine I might feel differently if I was in the military and had little else to choose from.

Back in the day, Canadian naval ships had beer vending machines in their Chief's mess and, if I remember, enlisted men got a 2-3 beer a day ration.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dblock on January 22, 2011, 01:46:34 PM
Wash U looks like a shadow of its former self. NYU should have won that game last night and they didn't even have Richie Polan playing. I think its utterly ridiculous that NYU isn't 15-0. They've lost every game by one or two possessions. Simply awful.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: NYCHOOPER on January 22, 2011, 02:02:33 PM
Quote from: dblock on January 22, 2011, 01:46:34 PM
Wash U looks like a shadow of its former self. NYU should have won that game last night and they didn't even have Richie Polan playing. I think its utterly ridiculous that NYU isn't 15-0. They've lost every game by one or two possessions. Simply awful.

I happened to catch both the Women's and Men's game at Coles yesterday and I have never seen a basketball program look so lost. The Womens team has gone down hill since coach Janice Quinn left and it's evident cause they haven't had a decent team since 2009. The Men's team is the real saddening team. I have no doubt in my mind that NYU is the most talented team in the UAA. Joe Nesci shouldn't be allowed to coach CYO basketball. The Bears scored on two plays yesterday. When NYU was in a man defense they ran their sing... the same swing they've been running for YEARS, and Spencer Gay consistently got WIDE OPEN layups. Then Nesci does the inexplainable and goes zone against Wash and then it was just a shooting exhibition for the bears. I've never in my life seen a coach who lacks any understanding of the basketball game. Nesci literally starts every game with two of his best players on the bench...Not only are they two of the best players, they are his Senior Captains. Derek Becker is the BEST defender on NYU and Richie Polan is the best scorer and rebounder. In what sport do you start off with the best players on the bench? Instead of playing those two, he's got sophomores who don't play defense and only launch threes starting. Then you add in the momentum killing timeouts, the incessant playcalling on every possesion (regardless of the fact that EVERY UAA TEAM KNOWS NYU's OFFENSE BETTER THEN THEY DO) and the fact that nobody on his team or in the organization respect's him and you get the "Joe Nesci Collegiate Basketball Strategy". Hopefully his days are numbered and I think this is definitely possible due to something I saw during the game yesterday. 20 or so seconds left and Wash is shooting a 1 and 1 up a bucket. On the bench is Senior Captain and PG DJ Glavan ( sidebar- Nesci had him on the bench for the last 4 minutes in a 2 point game as Sophomore Guard Kyle Stockmal was turning over the bal constantly and not playing any defense at all) Wash misses the FT and NYU grabs a board. Nesci doesn't call a time out and Soph Forward Carl Yaffe throws the ball right out of bounds. The NYU Athletic Director who stands in the same spot every game and doesn't show any emotion, turns around and kicks this huge metal door and sends a huge loud noise flying through the gym. Between the faces of disgust displayed by the players, parents and NYU fans you'd think someone would say something to Nesci.   

Pardon my rant, but Im so passionate about basketball that it kills me to see my alma matter suffer with a head coach who seems to take his opportunity for granted. There's no doubt in my mind that the right coach could make NYU a powerhouse. Great city, great school... no reason that NYU should be synonymous with underachievers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 23, 2011, 12:46:51 AM
Former NYU PF Jason Boone is playing in the German Bundesliga for Goettingen.  They are currently 8th in the league and Boone is playing about 20 mpg.

Also, NYCHOOPER, calm down. I am sure every coach is going to have people that dont agree with him.  I guess I am failing to see how Yaffe throwing the ball out of bounds is Nesci's fault.  Did Nesci tell Yaffe to throw it out of bounds?  Did he fake taking a time out so Yaffe would get confused and throw the ball out of bounds? Maybe he wanted his team to advance the ball to halfcourt before taking a timeout?  Could it be the SID kicked the door simply because of the bad turnover and not because of anything to do with Nesci?

By the way, I just checked the box score and Kyle Stockmal had 0 turnovers in the last 4 minutes, he did have two points and an assist though, but I am sure its easy to confuse those with turnovers when you dont know what you're talking about.  Further, Glavan may have been sitting the final four minutes because he already had 6 turnovers in 23 minutes of action (0.5 A/TO), thats almost half the teams turnovers for the game (they had 13 total), while Stockmal only had 3 in 33 minutes of play (1.0 A/TO).  Stockmal only had 1 turnover in the 2nd half, at the 8:26 mark.  But you are probably right, you dont need to look at the numbers when you come in with the assumption that everything Nesci does is wrong.  Never let the truth get in the way of a good story is what I always say!

Cleary you (and possibly dblock) are disgruntled former players or friends/family of players.  I dont have as much a problem with dblock, because he at least didnt make a bunch of stuff up. These rants do nothing but hurt your own credibility.  I dont think the NYU SID is coming onto these boards looking for advice on whether to retain Coach Nesci, so I would recommend one of two things: a) save your energy and dont write long rants about things that arent true, or b) if you are trying to make a point, make sure that there are some actual facts that backup your rant. The only thing really clear to me from your posts is that you don't like Coach Nesci, what does not come across is that you know anything about basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: NYCHOOPER on January 23, 2011, 12:02:33 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 23, 2011, 12:46:51 AM
Former NYU PF Jason Boone is playing in the German Bundesliga for Goettingen.  They are currently 8th in the league and Boone is playing about 20 mpg.

Also, NYCHOOPER, calm down. I am sure every coach is going to have people that dont agree with him.  I guess I am failing to see how Yaffe throwing the ball out of bounds is Nesci's fault.  Did Nesci tell Yaffe to throw it out of bounds?  Did he fake taking a time out so Yaffe would get confused and throw the ball out of bounds? Maybe he wanted his team to advance the ball to halfcourt before taking a timeout?  Could it be the SID kicked the door simply because of the bad turnover and not because of anything to do with Nesci?

By the way, I just checked the box score and Kyle Stockmal had 0 turnovers in the last 4 minutes, he did have two points and an assist though, but I am sure its easy to confuse those with turnovers when you dont know what you're talking about.  Further, Glavan may have been sitting the final four minutes because he already had 6 turnovers in 23 minutes of action (0.5 A/TO), thats almost half the teams turnovers for the game (they had 13 total), while Stockmal only had 3 in 33 minutes of play (1.0 A/TO).  Stockmal only had 1 turnover in the 2nd half, at the 8:26 mark.  But you are probably right, you dont need to look at the numbers when you come in with the assumption that everything Nesci does is wrong.  Never let the truth get in the way of a good story is what I always say!

Cleary you (and possibly dblock) are disgruntled former players or friends/family of players.  I dont have as much a problem with dblock, because he at least didnt make a bunch of stuff up. These rants do nothing but hurt your own credibility.  I dont think the NYU SID is coming onto these boards looking for advice on whether to retain Coach Nesci, so I would recommend one of two things: a) save your energy and dont write long rants about things that arent true, or b) if you are trying to make a point, make sure that there are some actual facts that backup your rant. The only thing really clear to me from your posts is that you don't like Coach Nesci, what does not come across is that you know anything about basketball.

HN-

I'm not a former player or family member though i think dblock is... I think waking up yesterday with a mean hangover and reading the game recap had me in a bad mood.

Its hard to understand my anger unless you have watched as many games as I have. Nesci should have called a time out because he had a foward pushing the ball with 15 seconds to go. It was one of those situations where 99% of coaches call a timeout and run a goto set that they know will give em a bucket.

As far as Glavan vs Stockmal, I don't care what the box says, I was there and Glavan had no more then 4 turnovers and they came on ticky tack plays. Reading the stats and not knowing the personal doesn't tell the true story. I wish there was a way I could send you some game film because Stockmal can't be in the game over Glavan needing a bucket especially when Coach Edwards had NYU's shooters on superlock during the last couple minutes.

I swear on my family that while I seem jaded that I am 100% justified and I vent only due to the love for the game of Basketball and my alma matter. I dont believe that it's a coincidence that NYU loses and loses and loses. You mentioned Jason Boone who I have been told was a man amongst boys on the court and that he had a teammate who played pro in Ireland, one who plays at Rucker Park (EBC) and other NYC semi-pro tourneys all year round yet they didn't make the NCAAs? I'm sorry but I'm not here to suck up to a coach who doesn't get victories.

Watch today's game, I will be streaming it. I'll give you my honest reaction to the game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 23, 2011, 12:22:50 PM
Sounds good, but you have to remember that Nesci has made the NCAAs 7 times, even if they were not that recent. He has been coaching NYU for 23 years, has nearly 400 wins, so he deserves some respect. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: NYCHOOPER on January 23, 2011, 01:21:30 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 23, 2011, 12:22:50 PM
Sounds good, but you have to remember that Nesci has made the NCAAs 7 times, even if they were not that recent. He has been coaching NYU for 23 years, has nearly 400 wins, so he deserves some respect. 

NYU is playing well today and Chicago is missing some bunnies and jumpers...

Dorman needs to play more, Wein alot less... I like the three guard wrinkle that Nesci threw in just now to close out the game. I'd love to see a starting lineup of GLAVAN, BECKER, DORMAN, POLAN, STEIN. I think Stockmal, Yaffe and Wein would benefit from coming off the bench and would shakeup the look of the game completely. I also think the kid Karch could have a nice career over the next 2 years.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 23, 2011, 01:26:58 PM

So did Vytas get hurt?  How did that score happen?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 23, 2011, 01:40:44 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 23, 2011, 01:26:58 PM

So did Vytas get hurt?  How did that score happen?

The whole team looked bad, dont know what has happened to Kriskus, but the upperclassmen seem to have regressed, while the freshman are starting to play like freshmen, not to say they won't be better in the future.  There are almost too many players in the rotation at this time and no sustainable offense.

But next Friday's another day.

The other disappointment was that the Wash U fans at Brandeis were clearly more vocal from the get-go than the 'Deis fans, at least it seemed so on the video transmission. Still on break?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 23, 2011, 01:49:47 PM
Time for a little love for U of R.  I wasn't terribly optimistic at the beginning of the year, but I have to say Coach Flockerzi has them playing well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2011, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 23, 2011, 12:22:50 PM
Sounds good, but you have to remember that Nesci has made the NCAAs 7 times, even if they were not that recent. He has been coaching NYU for 23 years, has nearly 400 wins, so he deserves some respect. 

Once upon a time, eight teams from a region got tournament bids, regardless of the size of the region. I suspect some of those teams didn't have records any better than teams NYU has had in recent years.

Just saying that devoid of context, "NCAA Tournament bids" could be a misleading stat.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 23, 2011, 02:32:41 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 23, 2011, 01:26:58 PM

So did Vytas get hurt?  How did that score happen?

I looked here before looking at the score.  I figured this meant the Bears by 10 or something, not 70-36.  That is wild.

I did not watch the game, but I am not surprised that the Washington University fans were more vocal for a Sunday morning match, thanks to the alumni association.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: NYCHOOPER on January 23, 2011, 04:10:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2011, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 23, 2011, 12:22:50 PM
Sounds good, but you have to remember that Nesci has made the NCAAs 7 times, even if they were not that recent. He has been coaching NYU for 23 years, has nearly 400 wins, so he deserves some respect. 

Once upon a time, eight teams from a region got tournament bids, regardless of the size of the region. I suspect some of those teams didn't have records any better than teams NYU has had in recent years.

Just saying that devoid of context, "NCAA Tournament bids" could be a misleading stat.

and not to mention that Nesci schedules a cupcake non conference schedule every year. 11-0 against the University of I Just Learned How To Play Basketball isn't impressing me.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 23, 2011, 05:58:47 PM
Quote from: NYCHOOPER on January 23, 2011, 04:10:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2011, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 23, 2011, 12:22:50 PM
Sounds good, but you have to remember that Nesci has made the NCAAs 7 times, even if they were not that recent. He has been coaching NYU for 23 years, has nearly 400 wins, so he deserves some respect. 

Once upon a time, eight teams from a region got tournament bids, regardless of the size of the region. I suspect some of those teams didn't have records any better than teams NYU has had in recent years.

Just saying that devoid of context, "NCAA Tournament bids" could be a misleading stat.

and not to mention that Nesci schedules a cupcake non conference schedule every year. 11-0 against the University of I Just Learned How To Play Basketball isn't impressing me.

I agree wih this critique, they do play a poor non-conference slate every year, which I dont think prepares them  for  conference play. There is never any correlation between their non-conference success and their conference play because they are always 11-0 or 10-1 and then are at best average in conference.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2011, 07:00:01 PM
Quote from: howardjp on January 23, 2011, 01:40:44 PM
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The other disappointment was that the Wash U fans at Brandeis were clearly more vocal from the get-go than the 'Deis fans, at least it seemed so on the video transmission. Still on break?

I can't outshout the Wash U Alumni Association Boston Chapter all by myself,  HowardJp.   The students are back in session-- they attended Friday night's game vs Chicago, and the Brandeis Justice did print an edition last Tuesday.

Unfortunately, it is very hard to get students to wake up early on a Sunday morning and show up for an 11:30 AM Eastern tip.   They have either partied too hard on Saturday and are sleeping in, or they are too busy studying for Monday's classes.  I always tend to notice that the Sunday crowds tend to be smaller and older than the Friday crowds.

When I said that I did not want another Brandeis game to go down to the final minute, this game was not what I had in mind-- but at least the game today did not go down to the final minute.....

All in all, though, I had a good time at the Wash U Boston Chapter Party today  (I estimated that 70% of the crowd in Waltham today was Wash U supporters)...  despite the Brandeis blowout losses....  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 23, 2011, 08:52:43 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 23, 2011, 07:00:01 PM
They have either partied too hard on Saturday and are sleeping in, or they are too busy studying for Monday's classes. 

I'm going with option A here, I dont know anyone that studies at 11 AM on a Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 23, 2011, 10:15:20 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 21, 2011, 12:24:44 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2011, 05:49:09 PM
Seven to ten inches of snow in Chicago over a twelve-hour period, like Boston's supposed to get tomorrow, would be a major disaster that people here would talk about for a very long time afterwards. That's about the same rate of accumulation per hour that resulted in the Great Blizzard of '79 that cost Michael Bilandic his job as the city's mayor and led to the rise of Jane Byrne.

I am not sure where you live, but my experience in Chicago was much different.  I lived in Chicago for four years and lived through a few 7-10 inch snows.  The response by the city was incredible, thanks to 1979.  In Rogers Park and Lincoln Park, at least, the streets are paved in salt and every street gets plowed.  I had to have a shovel in my SUV in order to get out of my parking spot on a few occasions.  I drove Lake Shore and Highway 90/94 and the worst commute I had in the snow was not much worse than my commute in the hours before Cubs games.

I'm not talking about 7-10 inches over the course of a day, I'm talking about 7-10 inches over a matter of a few hours. You're right that the city does an exceptional job of salting and plowing, but it's simply impossible to deal with that much snow in that short a time frame.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: thebear on January 24, 2011, 02:49:55 PM
Actually in this part of the country, Our colleges stay open with that kind of snowfall, unless the local authorities close the roads.

We had -27 (actual temp ) this morning on the first day of classes.  No cancellations or delays.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 25, 2011, 08:15:35 AM
The Brandeis Justice is out with their Jan. 25, 2011 edition.

Justice sports reporter Sam Liang wrote this week's article on the Brandeis men's basketball team.

  Comments from Brandeis men's basketball coach Brian Meehan and from Brandeis freshman player Ruben Kanya on the week are included.  (http://media.www.thejustice.org/media/storage/paper573/news/2011/01/25/Sports/Mens-Baskeball.Team.Splits.Against.Conference.Opponents-3970261.shtml/)

I found the comments on the performance against Wash U to be a very interesting and frank, if not very pleasant, read on the situation.   I was also pleased with the positive comments on the Brandeis victory over Chicago-- however, I would have put these comments first before the comments on the game against Wash U.   In his comments on the victory over Chicago,  Coach Meehan praised the total team effort of the Judges in the game,  noted contributions of key players for Brandeis on the victory, and called the victory against Chicago "an important win"  "against a good team."   
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 25, 2011, 03:16:43 PM
Yesterday, the Emory Wheel came out with their Jan. 24, 2011 edition.

Emory Wheel reporter Gina Chirillo wrote an article on Emory's games against Case and Carnegie Mellon.

Comments from Emory head coach Jason Zimmerman, and Emory players Jake Davis and Michael Friedberg are included:

http://www.emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=29208  (http://www.emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=29208)

(I just wanted to note that the reporter mixed up this weekend's opponents-- she meant to say that Emory will be playing at Brandeis and New York University this upcoming weekend-- she confused NYU with Rochester.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 26, 2011, 07:43:41 AM
The "Eagle Watch" on the Emory Athletics Web Site has some new recorded comments from Emory head coach Jason Zimmerman.

These comments were recorded on Monday, Jan. 24, and posted on the "Eagle Watch" yesterday.

In this edition, Emory coach Jason Zimmerman reviews Emory's 2 victories against Case and Carnegie Mellon from the past weekend, talks about Emory sophomore Michael Friedberg's 10 block game against Carnegie Mellon, and previews the upcoming road weekend at Brandeis and NYU.

The video is about 2 min. 33 sec. long, and can be found on the Emory Men's Basketball Page at:

http://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/index  (http://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/index)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 26, 2011, 08:12:55 AM
The Wash U Student Life student newspaper has just come out with the Jan. 26, 2011 edition.

Wash U Student Life sports reporter Kurt Rohrbeck wrote an article on the Wash U men's basketball team's performance at Brandeis and NYU in this edition.

The article includes comments from Wash U head coach Mark Edwards, and players Caleb Knepper and Alex Toth.   It can be found at:

http://www.studlife.com/sports/mens-basketball/2011/1/26/bears-record-first-conference-wins-of-season  (http://www.studlife.com/sports/mens-basketball/2011/1/26/bears-record-first-conference-wins-of-season)

(My personal rant:  As a Brandeis fan, I do not ever want to read about any more games this season where it looks like the Brandeis players "quit" or "did not compete".   >:( )
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 27, 2011, 04:20:32 AM
From the January 24, 2011 edition of the Chicago Maroon--

Maroon sports reporter Alexander Sotiropoulos wrote this article on the Chicago men's basketball team's weekend at Brandeis and NYU.   It contains comments from Chicago players Tommy Sotos, Steve Stefanou, and Derrick Davis, as well as comments from Chicago head coach Mike McGrath:

  http://www.chicagomaroon.com/2011/1/24/brandeis-nyu-hand-chicago-two-more-road-losses  (http://www.chicagomaroon.com/2011/1/24/brandeis-nyu-hand-chicago-two-more-road-losses)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 28, 2011, 07:47:06 PM
Alan - it was an honor to meet you at the Emerson game and you do your best.  Hope the students follow suit.  If they don't come out for a Top 25 team (pre-WashU), they don't deserve a Top 25 team.

Go 'Deis!

Best,

H

Quote from: deiscanton on January 23, 2011, 07:00:01 PM
Quote from: howardjp on January 23, 2011, 01:40:44 PM
[

The other disappointment was that the Wash U fans at Brandeis were clearly more vocal from the get-go than the 'Deis fans, at least it seemed so on the video transmission. Still on break?

I can't outshout the Wash U Alumni Association Boston Chapter all by myself,  HowardJp.   The students are back in session-- they attended Friday night's game vs Chicago, and the Brandeis Justice did print an edition last Tuesday.

Unfortunately, it is very hard to get students to wake up early on a Sunday morning and show up for an 11:30 AM Eastern tip.   They have either partied too hard on Saturday and are sleeping in, or they are too busy studying for Monday's classes.  I always tend to notice that the Sunday crowds tend to be smaller and older than the Friday crowds.

When I said that I did not want another Brandeis game to go down to the final minute, this game was not what I had in mind-- but at least the game today did not go down to the final minute.....

All in all, though, I had a good time at the Wash U Boston Chapter Party today  (I estimated that 70% of the crowd in Waltham today was Wash U supporters)...  despite the Brandeis blowout losses....  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 28, 2011, 10:00:06 PM
Brandeis blows a 20 point lead with 12.5 remaining in the game, game now going to OT.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 28, 2011, 10:29:14 PM
Brandeis regroups to win in OT over Emory.  Rochester edges NYU by 2 to take sole lead of the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 28, 2011, 10:56:22 PM
Washington University over Carnegie Mellon 70-62.

Spencer Gay and Dylan Richter leads the way with 16 and 14 points each, but hats off to Rob Burnett who gets his first career start, leading to 12 points and 13 rebounds in 19 minutes.  Caleb Knepper walks away with 8 points in 25 minutes which, I believe, is the most he has played at home all season.  Tim Cooney did not play giving Max Needle a chance to come in off the bench.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 30, 2011, 06:16:40 AM
Some comments from the Brandeis v Emory game on Friday:

(1) There were some Brandeis career highs from that game:

Tyrone Hughes, 22 pts  (new career best)
Jay Freeman, 9 pts (new career best)
Anthony Trapasso, 7 rebounds, 2 assists (ties career bests in both categories)
Ben Bartoldus, 2 blocks (ties career best)

(2) Brandeis's Youri Dascy picked up his second double-double of the season and career with a 14 pts, 10 rebound performance vs Emory.   His first double-double was earlier in the season at Emerson.

(3) Derek Retos's made 3 ptr in the first minute of the overtime period against Emory broke a scoring drought of 240 minutes, 44 seconds without a made "3" since the NYU game.  Retos had gone 0-12 from 3 pt land since the NYU game before his made "3" in overtime.

I'm looking forward to today's game against Rochester.  
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 30, 2011, 06:58:40 PM
UAA Men's Wrap-up from Sunday

(Visiting team mentioned first)

Rochester 77, Brandeis 64-- @ Waltham, MA
Emory 87, NYU 78-- @ New York
Case 65, Wash U 80-- @ St. Louis
Carnegie Mellon 76, Chicago 80-- @ Chicago

At the halfway point of the conference season--

Rochester leads the UAA at 6-1 in UAA play, Emory is 1 game back at 5-2 in the UAA, while Wash U and Chicago are tied for third at 4-3 in the UAA, 2 games back of the lead.

Next weekend has the same UAA games on Friday and Sunday as this weekend just concluded, with the locations reversed. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:10:49 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 02, 2011, 03:22:42 PM
UAA Teams in regional rankings

Rochester-- #3 East
Emory-- #7 South
Brandeis-- #9 Northeast

Although 3 UAA teams are regionally ranked this week, this may be a season where only the UAA winner will get into the NCAAs. The last time that the UAA only sent 1 men's basketball team to the NCAAs was the 2005-2006 season when Carnegie Mellon won the UAA with a 10-4 UAA mark and lost in the first round.

Brandeis now has 6 of their last 8 games on the road, with the next 3 games coming vs regionally ranked opposition:  @ Emory, @ Rochester, @ Amherst.   Brandeis is 1-1 this season vs reg ranked oppostiion, with this mark coming in the home games vs Emory and Rochester from last weekend.   Brandeis's NCAA chances depend on making a big run in the next 8 games-- the next 3 games are definitely must-win for the Judges, IMO, as the non-conference SOS so far has not helped Brandeis.

Records vs regionally ranked opposition as of this first week:

(1)  Rochester is 3-1 vs reg. ranked opponents in the primary criteria:  Wins vs Hobart (#4 East), Brandeis, and Emory-- Loss vs Hobart.   Rochester also has a secondary criteria win over Wittenberg, which is ranked #5 in the Great Lakes this week.  Rochester has a home game vs Brandeis this week and a road game at Emory as their upcoming games vs regionally ranked opposition.

(2)  Brandeis is 1-1 vs regionally ranked opponents:  Win vs Emory, Loss vs Rochester.   Brandeis's next 3 games are all on the road vs regionally ranked opponents-- @ Emory, @ Rochester, @ Amherst (#3 Northeast)-- however, no other regionally ranked opponents for Brandeis on the schedule after the Amherst game.

(3)  Emory is 0-2 vs regionally ranked opponents:  Losses at Rochester and at Brandeis.   Emory will have a chance this Friday to pick up a home win vs Brandeis, but will then have to wait under the last game of the season before the Eagles host Rochester.

Of the 3 teams, Rochester has the strongest case for a Pool C this week should the Yellowjackets not win the UAA's automatic bid, while Brandeis and Emory probably need to win the UAA to get in.  All other UAA teams won't get in to the NCAAs unless they win the league's automatic bid.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 04, 2011, 07:53:49 PM
As we start UAA play today on the men's side, the word from Rochester is that Rochester's Nate Novosel will not play vs NYU today due to an injury that he sustained in practice early this week.

Men's action is coming up....

Also, NYU coach Joe Nesci has checked into a local hospital in Rochester this afternoon due to illness (reportedly, a flu bug has been affecting some of the NYU players and coaches-- a flu bug sidelined NYU women's basketball player Tana Bertino this evening as well) and will not be coaching on the sidelines at the Palestra tonight.   NYU's assistant coaches will be running the show for him this evening-- ironically, should NYU win tonight, Joe Nesci will have picked up his 400th career victory, according to JC DeLass of WYSL 1040 AM.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 04, 2011, 08:40:00 PM
Two big individual performances in Pittsburgh so far...Shane Rife of CMU and DYlan Richter of WashU each have 22 points...at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 04, 2011, 08:42:16 PM
Halftime scores from the UAA-- Friday, Feb. 4

1.)  Rochester 38, NYU 25
2.)  Carnegie Mellon 38, Wash U 35
3.)  Case 44, Chicago 36

4.)  Emory 33, Brandeis 31-- This was the last game of the four men's UAA games to go to the half toinight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on February 04, 2011, 08:52:35 PM
I think we should take a moment to show appreciation for the players in the UAA who deal with the toughest travel schedule in D3 as well as some of the toughest academics, and succeed in both venues.  The following UAA men's players have achieved Academic All-District (http://www.cosida.com/media/documents/2011/2/2010_11_AAA_MBB_All_District_Teams.pdf) recognition, as selected by CoSIDA:

First team (eligible for selection as Academic All-Americans):
Michael Labanowski, Rochester (Dist. 1) -- GPA 3.86 in Mechanical Engineering
Alex Greven, Emory (Dist. 3) -- 3.76, Neuroscience/Behaviorial Biology
Alex Gulotta, Emory (Dist. 3) -- 3.85, Business
Eric Duerr, CWRU (Dist. 4) -- 3.93, Biology (pre-med)

Second team: none

Third team:  
Ben Hoener, Wash U. (Dist. 7) -- 3.75, Chemistry

Congratulations to these outstanding scholar-athletes!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 04, 2011, 09:33:55 PM
Final scores in the UAA-- Friday, Feb. 4

1.)  Carnegie Mellon 78, Wash U 65  (CMU's Shane Rife had a career high 26 pts)
2.)  Rochester 78, NYU 70  (John DiBartolomeo led Rochester with 27 pts today.)
3.)  Case 88, Chicago 75
4.)  Emory 85, Brandeis 70
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaabballfan on February 06, 2011, 12:26:20 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 04, 2011, 07:53:49 PM
As we start UAA play today on the men's side, the word from Rochester is that Rochester's Nate Novosel will not play vs NYU today due to an injury that he sustained in practice early this week.

Men's action is coming up....

Also, NYU coach Joe Nesci has checked into a local hospital in Rochester this afternoon due to illness (reportedly, a flu bug has been affecting some of the NYU players and coaches-- a flu bug sidelined NYU women's basketball player Tana Bertino this evening as well) and will not be coaching on the sidelines at the Palestra tonight.   NYU's assistant coaches will be running the show for him this evening-- ironically, should NYU win tonight, Joe Nesci will have picked up his 400th career victory, according to JC DeLass of WYSL 1040 AM.

Any word on how long Novosel will be out?  I notice he's not playing against Brandeis today either?  What type of injury did he sustain?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 06, 2011, 12:52:30 PM
To UAAbballfan--

I believe that Novosel suffered an ankle injury in practice earlier this week-- I am currently listening to JC DeLass's audio call of the Rochester vs Brandeis game through WYSL's internet feed.  I am not certain of the exact area or the extent of the injury-- however, he will not be playing today as well.

Rochester is in first place in the UAA right now in spite of the fact that 7 of the 13 players on the Rochester roster have missed at least 1 game so far this season due to injury.  

The Brandeis @ Rochester men's game tipped off at 12:10 PM, so it is the last game of the 4 to go to the half.

Halftime scores--

Chicago 39, Carnegie Mellon 34 (For CMU-- Manoli has 10 pts and 4 rbs, For Chicago-- Matt Johnson has 13 pts and 4 rbs in the half, while Tom Williams has 12 pts and 5 rbs for the Maroons)

Wash U 37, Case 25  (For Wash U-- Knepper has 11 pts and Richter has 10 pts, Fowler leading Case with 12 pts)

Emory 46, NYU 34  (Emory's Alex Greven has 14 pts to lead the Eagles)

Rochester 35, Brandeis 33  (Mike Labanowski 12 pts for Rochester, 4-7  from 3 pt range for Labanowski, UR 6-10 from 3 pt range--  Brandeis shot 59% from the field in the half (13-22 from the field)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on February 06, 2011, 01:09:34 PM
Great to see Case in the throwback uni's, complimented by Reid Anderson's throwback 'stache. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: NYCHOOPER on February 06, 2011, 01:20:27 PM
emory's video guys are hysterically awful
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: NYCHOOPER on February 06, 2011, 01:38:11 PM
I stand firm in my proclamation that the NYU Men's Basketball coaching staff is the worst in the country. When a team consistently goes down 15-20 points to their opponent and then furiously comes back to lose by 6-8 points, all the blame is on the coach. Anyone that disagrees with me doesn't realize the importance of a head coach.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2011, 01:39:58 PM
With 400 coaching staffs in the country, it seems unlikely that NYU's is the worst.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 06, 2011, 01:41:40 PM
Quote from: NYCHOOPER on February 06, 2011, 01:20:27 PM
emory's video guys are hysterically awful

as awful as case's are good. loved the wustl/case broadcast. really enjoyed it. case always has one of the best broadcasts in D3.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 06, 2011, 01:46:40 PM
Quote from: NYCHOOPER on February 06, 2011, 01:38:11 PM
I stand firm in my proclamation that the NYU Men's Basketball coaching staff is the worst in the country. When a team consistently goes down 15-20 points to their opponent and then furiously comes back to lose by 6-8 points, all the blame is on the coach. Anyone that disagrees with me doesn't realize the importance of a head coach.

I watched the Emory/NYU, WUSTL/NYU, and the Brandeis/NYU matchups. While you continuously harp on the coaching staff, imho I think you also overestimated the capability of the players.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 06, 2011, 01:49:50 PM
Men's action is now final.

Recapping the final scores:

Chicago 77, Carnegie Mellon 71  (CMU live stats froze on me in the second half, so I watched the final minutes of that game on CMU's video stream)

Rochester 77, Brandeis 57

Emory 93, NYU 85

Wash U 80, Case 71

The NYU men are now officially eliminated from UAA title contention, while Brandeis and Carnegie Mellon are 5 games back of Rochester with 5 games left to play.

Rochester remains in first place in the UAA at 8-1 in the league, while Emory remains 1 game back of Rochester at 7-2 in the UAA.

Wash U and Chicago are 3 games back of Rochester, while Case is 4 games back of Rochester with 5 games left to play.

According to Rochester post game reports, Nate Novosel of Rochester hopes to be ready for Friday's game against Chicago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: NYCHOOPER on February 06, 2011, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on February 06, 2011, 01:46:40 PM
Quote from: NYCHOOPER on February 06, 2011, 01:38:11 PM
I stand firm in my proclamation that the NYU Men's Basketball coaching staff is the worst in the country. When a team consistently goes down 15-20 points to their opponent and then furiously comes back to lose by 6-8 points, all the blame is on the coach. Anyone that disagrees with me doesn't realize the importance of a head coach.

I watched the Emory/NYU, WUSTL/NYU, and the Brandeis/NYU matchups. While you continuously harp on the coaching staff, imho I think you also overestimated the capability of the players.

You're definitely entitled to that opinion... That being said explain to me how a school in the middle of New York City doesn't get better talent? Whose fault is that?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 06, 2011, 10:53:38 PM
Quote from: NYCHOOPER on February 06, 2011, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on February 06, 2011, 01:46:40 PM
Quote from: NYCHOOPER on February 06, 2011, 01:38:11 PM
I stand firm in my proclamation that the NYU Men's Basketball coaching staff is the worst in the country. When a team consistently goes down 15-20 points to their opponent and then furiously comes back to lose by 6-8 points, all the blame is on the coach. Anyone that disagrees with me doesn't realize the importance of a head coach.

I watched the Emory/NYU, WUSTL/NYU, and the Brandeis/NYU matchups. While you continuously harp on the coaching staff, imho I think you also overestimated the capability of the players.

You're definitely entitled to that opinion... That being said explain to me how a school in the middle of New York City doesn't get better talent? Whose fault is that?

A lot of reasons.
High admissions standards. Lack of basketball history (relative to its peers or other schools in the NE). Lack of school spirit (with athletics). And I agree with you, bad recruiting.

They also play in one of the best d3 conferences in the country...
We can say the same about D1 St. John's can't we? (although thankfully they are having a decent season)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 08, 2011, 07:31:44 AM
Op ed piece printed in the Brandeis Justice today (Feb. 8, 2011) regarding the lack of support this season in the Brandeis student community for the basketball teams:

http://media.www.thejustice.org/media/storage/paper573/news/2011/02/08/OpEd/Show-Your.Colors.Support.Brandeis.Basketball-3974714.shtml  (http://media.www.thejustice.org/media/storage/paper573/news/2011/02/08/OpEd/Show-Your.Colors.Support.Brandeis.Basketball-3974714.shtml)

I just wanted to comment that I am more concerned about how a lack of support this season is going to translate for the long-term future of the Brandeis basketball teams.  It must be harder to get good recruits to want to play for any school when the student body doesn't seem to care about the fate of its athletics teams, regardless of division or conference.

I would hope that there would be better support next season, regardless of the attendance on this last weekend of Brandeis home games coming up.  

I will be attending Sunday's Senior Day games vs Case, and perhaps some of Friday's games as well-- it is a little disappointing for me to have to be the most vocal Brandeis fan out there in Auerbach Arena this season...   (I'm in my 40's!!!) :(

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 08, 2011, 09:29:18 AM
True to Dave McHugh's predictions on Hoopsville a few weeks ago, it looks like the UAA title race is coming down to Rochester and Emory.  1 game separating those 2 teams....

First, here are the Emory attendance home figures for UAA men's basketball games at WoodPEC in Atlanta this season.   It is time for business to pick up!   Emory students, represent!  Get the WoodPEC to average over 1,000 for the next 3 home games!  This is a challenge from me!

1.)  Case-- 334
2.)  Carnegie Mellon-- 255
3.)  Brandeis-- 323
4.)  NYU--155

Here are Rochester's UAA home attendance figures for men's UAA home games at the Palestra this season:

1.)  Emory-- 325
2.)  Carnegie Mellon-- 903
3.)  Case-- 400
4.)  NYU-- 1,000
5.)  Brandeis-- 300



Second, the Emory Wheel came out yesterday with their February 7 edition.  Gina Chirillo's article on the Emory men's basketball team's 2 wins has comments from Emory player Alex Greven and Emory coach Jason Zimmerman:

http://www.emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=29297  (http://www.emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=29297)

From that Emory Wheel article, here are comments from Emory coach Jason Zimmerman about why Emory students should support the Eagles this upcoming weekend against Wash U and Chicago:

"I think that it is important this weekend that people come out and support our [Emory Eagles men's basketball] team.  We are in the conference race.... and we'd love to have a crowd, the student body there to help us.   When our students are there and they're rowdy and excited, that energy and that atmosphere is good for five to ten points on the scoreboard."-- Emory coach Jason Zimmerman.

Third, the "Eagle Watch" on the Emory Athletics men's basketball page has some post-game comments from Emory player Austin Claunch recapping Emory's home weekend at WoodPEC against Brandeis and NYU:

http://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/index  (http://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/index)


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 08, 2011, 10:31:43 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 08, 2011, 09:29:18 AM
True to Dave McHugh's predictions on Hoopsville a few weeks ago, it looks like the UAA title race is coming down to Rochester and Emory.  1 game separating those 2 teams....

First, here are the Emory attendance home figures for UAA men's basketball games at WoodPEC in Atlanta this season.   It is time for business to pick up!   Emory students, represent!  Get the WoodPEC to average over 1,000 for the next 3 home games!  This is a challenge from me!

1.)  Case-- 334
2.)  Carnegie Mellon-- 255
3.)  Brandeis-- 323
4.)  NYU--155

Here are Rochester's UAA home attendance figures for men's UAA home games at the Palestra this season:

1.)  Emory-- 325
2.)  Carnegie Mellon-- 903
3.)  Case-- 400
4.)  NYU-- 1,000
5.)  Brandeis-- 300



I think the CM and NYU games were friday night games and the Case/Brandeis games Sunday at noon.  The Sunday game times are no doubt dictated by travel but it is almost impossible to get college kids out of bed for a noon game on a Sunday.  I remember coach Neer getting on the PA system after a Friday night NYU game 3 years ago and imploring the 1800 fans in attendance to get up and come to the Sunday Brandeis game.  At that time U of R was #1 and Brandeis #2 or #3.  1750 people showed up for one of the best games I've ever seen.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2011, 10:43:17 AM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on February 08, 2011, 10:31:43 AM
I remember coach Neer getting on the PA system after a Friday night NYU game 3 years ago and imploring the 1800 fans in attendance to get up and come to the Sunday Brandeis game.

I remember him doing the same after a great game against Wash U.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 08, 2011, 12:18:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2011, 10:43:17 AM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on February 08, 2011, 10:31:43 AM
I remember coach Neer getting on the PA system after a Friday night NYU game 3 years ago and imploring the 1800 fans in attendance to get up and come to the Sunday Brandeis game.

I remember him doing the same after a great game against Wash U.

If it was that same year, the WashU game was sent into OT on a 8-10 foot jumper at the buzzer, banked if I remember, from Uche Ndubizu.  Which was a good 8-10 feet outside his usual range.  And 1200 or so showed up Sunday for the Chicago game and saw a team that had nothing left.  The WashU game was one of the more intense contests I can remember
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 08, 2011, 01:48:25 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on February 08, 2011, 10:31:43 AM

I think the CM and NYU games were friday night games and the Case/Brandeis games Sunday at noon.  The Sunday game times are no doubt dictated by travel but it is almost impossible to get college kids out of bed for a noon game on a Sunday.  I remember coach Neer getting on the PA system after a Friday night NYU game 3 years ago and imploring the 1800 fans in attendance to get up and come to the Sunday Brandeis game.  At that time U of R was #1 and Brandeis #2 or #3.  1750 people showed up for one of the best games I've ever seen.

For that game, it was a #1 v #2 match-- Rochester was #1 that game and Brandeis was at #2.  Had Brandeis not lost the game at UMass-Dartmouth before facing off against then #1 Amherst, Brandeis would have entered the game at #1 as an undefeated team.

To confirm Ethelred the Unready's beliefs, the higher attendance figures that I cited for this season's UAA games are Friday night games, and the lower figures are Sunday afternoon games.   If there are 5 games listed, then the first game was the travel partner game on a Saturday.

Great memories of the year that Ethelred the Unready mentioned-- 2007-2008 season, the season where Brandeis went to the Elite Eight at Plattsburgh, NY-- defeated the Plattsburgh St. Cardinals in the Sweet 16, but lost a rematch to Amherst in the Elite Eight.

Had Steve DeLuca not been forced to take a medical redshirt that season due to injury, Brandeis could very well have won the national title.

Here were some attendance figures from the Brandeis 2007-2008 season:

Saturday, December 8, 2007--  Home vs then #1 Amherst-- 1,750-- Brandeis def. Amherst, 72-62, in one of the best Brandeis games that I have seen-- the 2005-2006 and 2006-2007 seasons were the only seasons in recent memory where Brandeis played Amherst on a Saturday in the first semester.

(I understand Amherst's reluctance to play a weekend game vs Brandeis now.... :) )

Jan. 12. 2008-- Brandeis at NYU-- Coles Sports Center-- 1,350

Jan. 18, 2008-- Brandeis at Carnegie Mellon-- 1,153-- Brandeis at #2, CMU ranked at #24

Home UAA games in order for the 2007-2008 Brandeis season

Chicago-- 900

Wash U-- 1,200  (One of the best attended Sunday games among the Brandeis community in my memory-- Brandeis lost by 2 on this day, but in the 2006-2007 season, Brandeis had defeated Wash U in triple OT at the Auerbach Arena in a Sunday game.)

Emory-- 800
Case--600
Rochester-- 1,000
Carnegie Mellon-- 750
NYU-- 1,100

NCAA tournament home games at Auerbach Arena-- (First and second round at Auerbach Arena)

Lasell-- 2,000   (First round)

Bowdoin-- 1,300  (Second round)

NCAA tournament games at Plattsburgh, NY  (Sweet 16, Elite 8)

Plattsburgh State-- 950-- Full house at Plattsburgh-- Brandeis sent fan buses for both Friday and Saturday games-- I went up on the Friday bus, but the bus could not get on to the ferry and had to take the bridge to Rouses Point, NY-- Bus came within 1 mile of the Canadian border.  I spent money to fly home Sunday afternoon on Cape Air from Plattsburgh to Boston in a small 9 seat propeller plane because I had booked for a 2 night hotel stay in Plattsburgh at the Days Inn and did not want to be forced to sleep on the 5 1/2 to 6 hour journey back to Boston on a bus.

Amherst (@ Plattsburgh, NY)-- 550

It is very easy to support a team that can win a national championship-- the challenge comes when it comes time to support a team in a season where it is not likely to reach those heights.

I will always remember that 2007-2008 Brandeis season as probably the best ever season in Brandeis men's hoop-- notwithstanding last year's journey to the Elite 8 game vs Williams.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 08, 2011, 07:15:39 PM
Game underway from LeFrak Gym in Amherst, MA tonight

Amherst 9, Brandeis 3  14:59 left in first half

Brandeis only shooting 1 of 7 to start the game-- 5 turnovers so far for the Judges in the first 5 minutes.

So far, it does not look like Amherst is going to have too much difficulty winning tonight....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 08, 2011, 07:46:26 PM
Halftime from LeFrak Gym--

Amherst 40, Brandeis 24

Brandeis only shooting 9 of 29 from the field, 2-8 from 3 pt land, 4-9 from the FT line.

Leading scorer for Brandeis:  Tyrone Hughes, 5 pts.

Amherst shooting 13 of 28 from the field, 2-9 from 3 pt land, 12 of 14 from the charity stripe.

Leading scorers for Amherst:  Conor Meehan --14 pts, Allen Williamson-- 9 pts.

Amherst outrebounding Brandeis, 21-17 in the first half.   Brandeis committed 9 turnovers in the half, to Amherst's 6 turnovers.

(Maybe a wise choice for me to save the money and watch the game on live stats rather than spend $50 on a round-trip bus from Boston and a night in a hotel in South Hadley, MA on a Tuesday for this-- no one would have driven me out to western Mass tonight...)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 08, 2011, 08:13:16 PM
Starting the second half,  Amherst got their lead up to 21 at 49-28 with 17:49 remaining, but Brandeis went on a 17-6 run in the next 4 min 18 sec. to cut Amherst's lead to 10.

The Jeffs may be countering this now, however....

Game reset:  Amherst 62, Brandeis 49  9:56 remaining-- Not a big crowd in LeFrak Gym tonight, according to the JeffCast announcers....

Game reset:  Amherst 72,  Brandeis 63  4:06 remaining...

Game reset:  Amherst 72, Brandeis 65  3:29 remaining....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 08, 2011, 08:53:54 PM
Final score from LeFrak Gym in Amherst, MA--

Amherst 79, Brandeis 65

Brandeis now 13-7 overall, 1-4 vs regionally ranked opponents.

Amherst remains undefeated.

Some signs of life in the second half from the young Brandeis squad as the game got to within 7 pts, but Brandeis was playing against a top-ranked opponent on the road...
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2 dunks from Brandeis's Ben Bartoldus-- I couldn't get a clear signal from the JeffCast video today, but I was able to see that second dunk...

Christian Yemga had 9 rebounds for Brandeis.

Amherst was led by Conor Meehan with 21 pts, Allen Williamson with 17 pts, and Aaron Toomey with 13 pts.

For Brandeis, Ben Bartoldus had 12 pts, and Alex Schmidt had 11 pts for the Judges for Brandeis's only 2 players in double figures this evening.

I'll be checking the NESCAC forum to see if anyone posts some comments on the game from there...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 09, 2011, 03:09:42 PM
New regional rankings are up for the men:

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/09/ncaas-2011-regional-rankings-week-2/  (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/09/ncaas-2011-regional-rankings-week-2/)

Through games of Sunday, Feb. 6, 2011

Rochester-- #2 in East
Emory-- #6 in South
Brandeis-- #9 in Northeast
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 13, 2011, 12:00:13 PM
Washington University leads Rochester 30-19 with eight minutes to play in the first.  Unfortunately, the Rochester live feed is not working for me.  Gay and Knepper lead the way with 14 and 12 respectively.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: auwnj on February 13, 2011, 12:07:44 PM
Anyone else having trouble with Brandeis video or stats feed?  I can't seem to get.  Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 13, 2011, 12:18:27 PM
I have tried the Rochester video feed and the radio feed to no avail.  No luck with the Brandeis feed either.  The Emory feed is working perfectly if you want to watch Emory destroy Chicago.  The Eagles lead 19-6 early in the first.

Washington University led by as much as 15 in the first, but Rochester battled back to cut the deficit to 3.  38-35, the score in Rochester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: auwnj on February 13, 2011, 12:37:36 PM
Thanks for the info, WUH.  One of the Brandeis links says internet is down on  campus.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: lileyes on February 13, 2011, 12:50:34 PM
Yea, none of the Brandies feeds are working either
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 13, 2011, 12:56:23 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 13, 2011, 12:18:27 PM
I have tried the Rochester video feed and the radio feed to no avail.  No luck with the Brandeis feed either.  The Emory feed is working perfectly if you want to watch Emory destroy Chicago.  The Eagles lead 19-6 early in the first.

Washington University led by as much as 15 in the first, but Rochester battled back to cut the deficit to 3.  38-35, the score in Rochester.

Have you tried through the UofR site?  I've been watching on and off
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 13, 2011, 01:21:53 PM
Likely UAA Player of the Year John DiBartolomeo leads the way as Rochester fends off the upset bid with the 83-78.  The Bears will head home to prepare for their last three games of the short season while Rochester, for the moment, holds on to a one game lead in the conference.

A few random thoughts based on the live stats.  The first is that Washington University outrebounded Rochester 40-20.  The second is that the live stats show Tim Wang and Jerome Barnett playing, I believe, for the first time this season.

I need a faster computer and internet connection.
_____

Emory had, at one point, a 17 point lead on Chicago, but that lead has dwindled to five.  Emory in what looks more and more like a must-win.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 13, 2011, 01:54:09 PM
Emory defeats Chicago in overtime, 91-87.  Chicago cannot get a last second three to go to force overtime.  Emory remains in second place, down one game to Rochester.  Emory hosts Rochester in two weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 13, 2011, 05:51:17 PM
In case people are wondering why there was some special interest in the Case v Brandeis game-- apart from the fact that it was Senior Day for Brandeis senior Christian Yemga-- Case's Reid Anderson came into today's contest at Brandeis with 995 career points.   Anderson scored 2 pts today to bring his career total to 997-- he needs 3 more for the 1,000 point milestone.

Reid Anderson should be able to get his 1,000th point next Friday when the Spartans host Emory.   Case will honor their seniors on Friday night.

UAA race now down to its final 2 teams-- Rochester and Emory, with all other UAA teams having been eliminated from the title hunt.  Assuming that both Rochester and Emory win their next 2 games on the road at Case and Carnegie Mellon, the Rochester at Emory game on Feb. 26 will settle the question of who gets the UAA's automatic bid.  I will talk more about it on Monday.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 14, 2011, 09:35:39 AM
It is time to review the UAA tiebreaker procedures for determining the UAA's automatic bid if there is a tie for first at the end of UAA play on Feb. 26.     If Emory and Rochester win both of their away games this upcoming weekend, and if Emory defeats Rochester at the WoodPEC in Atlanta on Feb. 26, 2011, then Emory and Rochester will be UAA Co-Champions and a tiebreaker will have to determine who gets the automatic bid.

The UAA tiebreaker procedures are located in Section 2 of the UAA Basketball Code of Conduct, which can be found at:  http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Administrative/Code_Of_Conduct/Basketball.pdf  (http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Administrative/Code_Of_Conduct/Basketball.pdf)

(Representative means the team who will get the Pool A automatic bid.)

To summarize: the tiebreaker procedure is

(1)  Best record in head-to-head UAA competition among the co-champions;

(2)  Best record in head-to-head UAA competition between the co-champions and the subsequent finishers until a representative is determined;

(3)  Best record in UAA road games;

(4)  If this process fails to determine a representative, the representative to NCAA post-season competition shall be determined by a coin flip administered by the Executive Secretary.

At the moment, if there was a tie right now and the season ended today, Rochester would have the tiebreaker advantage by virtue of tiebreaker #3 due to the fact that Rochester is 3-1 (.750) in UAA road games while Emory is 3-2 (.600) in UAA road games.  However, Rochester's 7th road UAA game is at Emory on Feb. 26.

The tiebreaker should become clearer at the end of next week's play when there should be an indicator if one team has sole possession of third, or if there are teams still tied for third place in the UAA.  Right now, both Rochester and Emory are 5-1 vs Wash U, Chicago, and Brandeis-- which is the group tied for thiird, and the other results vs the sixth, seventh, and eighth place teams do not break the deadlock.

Tuesday Feb. 15 updated addendum--  Should Rochester and Emory end up as UAA Co-Champions with a record of 12-2 in the UAA, tiebreaker #3 will not settle the tie as Rochester and Emory will each have a 5-2 mark in UAA road games.

Wash U cannot break the tie as both Rochester and Emory swept Wash U.

In this case, the tiebreaker would be as follows-- (Rochester and Emory would be UAA Co-Champions)

(1)  If Brandeis finishes ahead of Chicago in the standings--  Rochester gets UAA bid via Tiebreaker #2.

(2)  If Chicago finishes ahead of Brandeis in the standings--  Emory gets UAA bid via Tiebreaker #2.

(3)  If Brandeis and Chicago are still tied in the UAA standings--  UAA bid gets determined by coin flip.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 14, 2011, 07:45:16 PM
NCAA tournament picture for the UAA--  February 14, 2011.

Next update will be on Wednesday, Feb. 16 when new regional rankings and new SOS data are scheduled to be released.

At the moment, I am considering the UAA as a 1 bid conference on the men's side this season, pending updates on the regional rankings on Wednesday.  In fairness, however, I must list the tourney resumes of the other teams that are listed in the regional rankings.   Only those teams not currently in the UAA lead will be listed for now.

The current leader is Rochester, who has a 1 game lead over Emory with 3 games left to play.  Rochester and Emory are the only 2 teams left in the UAA title hunt for the automatic bid-- all other UAA teams have been eliminated from Pool A consideration.

Potential Pool C candidates--

Emory-- #6 in South as of the Week 2 regional rankings-- this ranking has Emory as the third Pool C candidate to the national table from the South Region.

Emory currently has an in-region record of 17-4 (.810) through games of Feb. 13

(1) Best in-region mark that Emory can achieve is 20-4 (.833)-- however, a 20-4 mark would most likely mean a UAA Co-Championship for Emory and a potential Pool A automatic bid by virtue of a UAA tiebreaker.

(2)  Emory's in-region SOS is .465 through games of Feb. 6, 2011-- Awaiting Wednesday update on current SOS.

(3)  Emory is 1-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents through games of Feb. 13  (Win vs Brandeis, losses vs Brandeis and Rochester).  Emory has one more in-region game vs a regionally ranked opponent remaining-- Rochester on Feb. 26.

(4)  Remaining games:  @Case, @ Carnegie Mellon, Rochester.

Brandeis-- #9 in Northeast-- 5th (or 6th) Pool C candidate from the Northeast to the national table as of the Week 2 regional rankings.

(1)  Brandeis has an in-region mark of 15-7 (.682)   through games of Feb. 13

(2)  Best in-region record that Brandeis can achieve is 18-7  (.720).

(3)  Brandeis's in-region SOS is .482 through games of Feb. 6-- Awaiting Wednesday update on SOS.

(4)  Brandeis is 1-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (Win vs Emory, Losses vs Emory, Rochester (twice), and Amherst (#3-- Northeast).    Brandeis has no more regionally ranked opponents left on the schedule.

(5)  Remaining games:  @ Chicago, @ Wash U, @ NYU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 15, 2011, 03:31:40 AM
New D3Hoops.com Top 25 poll is out:

 http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2010-2011/week11#  (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2010-2011/week11#)

(Note: My computer is having trouble bringing up the link, but I believe that the link that I posted is correct.)

This link should also bring up the rankings for this week:

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/index  (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/index)

(Note: My computer is bringing up the Top 25 polls for the new week with the second link.)

 UAA teams ranked:

 Rochester-- #22-- 133 pts.

Emory is also receiving votes-- 35 pts.

I agree with Rochester being in the Top 25 now-- the victory over Chicago on Friday has removed the in-region warts on Rochester's schedule, with the Yellowjackets having now gotten 1-1 splits in-region vs Nazareth, Hobart, and Chicago.  The parity situation in the UAA on the men's side has now been settled.

If the D3Hoops.com poll was used to select teams, the UAA would get two teams in.   However, it is the regional rankings that count, and I will await Wednesday's update on the regional rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 15, 2011, 05:37:33 AM
Emory Eagles update-- Comments from Emory coach Jason Zimmerman.

First, on Friday evening, just after Emory had defeated Wash U for the program's first ever season sweep vs the Wash U Bears-- the "Eagle Watch" recorded some post-game comments from Emory coach Jason Zimmerman that were recorded in his office at Emory.  Note that Emory had not yet played the home game against Chicago at the time of these video comments.

The "Eagle Watch" for Emory men's basketball can be found at:

  http://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/index  (http://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/index)

Second, the Emory Wheel student newspaper has just come out with their February 15 edition.   Emory Wheel reporter Geoff Gilbert wrote the article in this edition that covered Emory's victories vs Wash U and Chicago. 

Comments from Emory coach Jason Zimmerman are included in the article, and can be found at:

http://www.emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=29362  (http://www.emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=29362)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 15, 2011, 07:01:27 AM
The Brandeis Justice has just come out with their Feb. 15 edition:

Jennifer Im wrote this week's Justice article on the Brandeis men's basketball team.   Comments from Brandeis senior Christian Yemga and Brandeis frosh Alex Schmidt on Yemga's influence in the development of the younger Brandeis players can be found at:

  http://media.www.thejustice.org/media/storage/Paper573/news/2011/02/15/Sports/Mens-Basketball.Men.Sneak.Past.Two.University.Athletic.Association.Foes-3977052.shtml  (http://media.www.thejustice.org/media/storage/Paper573/news/2011/02/15/Sports/Mens-Basketball.Men.Sneak.Past.Two.University.Athletic.Association.Foes-3977052.shtml)

Justice reporter Natalie Shushan also wrote this feature on Brandeis frosh Youri Dascy, who was named the Justice Athlete of the Week:

  http://media.www.thejustice.org/media/storage/Paper573/news/2011/02/15/Sports/Athlete.Of.The.Week.Youri.Dascy.14-3977059.shtml  (http://media.www.thejustice.org/media/storage/Paper573/news/2011/02/15/Sports/Athlete.Of.The.Week.Youri.Dascy.14-3977059.shtml)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 15, 2011, 06:40:56 PM
Hmmmm..... Just a musing as I await tomorrow's regional rankings:

I may be changing my opinion on the UAA situation in light of the fact that the top 4 regionally ranked teams in the South all lost last week-- with #4 in South Mary Hardin-Baylor picking up 2 losses.   This means that Emory could jump up in the South regional rankings tomorrow, and if that is the case, I have to think that the UAA could get 2 teams in to the NCAAs-- which would be an improvement over my earlier prediction over the UAA being a 1 bid league on the men's side-- which was based on my seeing Emory at #7 in the South in Week 1, and #6 in the South in Week 2.  Pat Coleman had mentioned the fact of some of the South regionally ranked teams losing over the past week on Sunday's Hoopsville, but I had to check on those records myself, and I just got around to doing so.

Before now, I thought that the only hope that the UAA had for sending 2 teams in was if Emory won the Pool A bid, and then Rochester could have had a strong enough Pool C resume-- Rochester being #2 in the East as of the Week 2 regional rankings with a 4-1 in-region mark vs regionally ranked opposition through Feb. 6.    However, the scenario of Emory winning the Pool A bid would most likely be the case if Emory and Rochester ended up as UAA Co-Champions, and if that turns out to be true, I would hate to think that a tiebreaker could eliminate one team from the NCAA tournament.

I will have more when the regional rankings get released tomorrow with the new SOS data.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:25:00 PM
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2011, 05:03:29 PM
The Week 3 Regional Rankings have changed my opinion on the UAA picture for NCAA bids.

I have changed my outlook of the UAA men from "1 bid league" to "1 Pool C bid possible, but not definite."

Emory has moved up to the #5 position in the South for Week 3, making the Eagles the second Pool C candidate to the table from the South-- assuming that the ODAC, USA South, and American Southwest Conference tournaments play to form.  Therefore, I have changed my outlook.  This is a change from when Emory was as low as #7 in South in the Week 1 rankings.

The chances for 2 teams from the UAA to get in are good if both Emory and Rochester end up as UAA Co-Champions, in my view.

With Emory's SOS being at .441 through games of Feb. 13, Emory is going to need to keep their in-region pct above .800 to keep their Pool C chances alive.  However, if both Emory and Rochester win out this weekend's Great Lakes trip, and if Emory defeats Rochester on Feb. 26, then Emory and Rochester will be UAA Co-Champions, and the tiebreaker procedures will take effect for the automatic bid.

Should Emory and Rochester end up as UAA Co-Champions, Emory will have finished with an in-region mark of 20-4 (.833), and Rochester will have finished with an in-region mark of 19-4 (.826).   Emory would finish with a in-region record of 2-2 vs regionally ranked opponents (having split with Rochester 1-1 and with Brandeis 1-1), and Rochester would finish with an in-region record of 4-2 vs regionally ranked opponents (2-0 sweep vs Brandeis, 1-1 split vs Emory, 1-1 split vs Hobart.)

If Rochester wins out their remaining 3 games, then Rochester would be the UAA Champion and have the automatic bid to the NCAAs.   Rochester would finish with an in-region mark of 20-3 (.870), while Emory would have an in-region pct of 19-5 (.792)   Given that Emory has a current SOS of .441, and has a loss on their record to a LaGrange team that only has 2 in-region wins, according to the NCAA's data, I don't think that Emory would get a Pool C with an in-region mark below .800.

At the moment, Rochester has a 1 game lead over Emory in the UAA standings with 3 games left to play.

Tournament resumes through games of February 13, 2011

Rochester-- #2 in East-- UAA Pool A Leader

In-region winning pct of 17-3 (.850), SOS of .487 (OWP .491, OOWP .478), In-region record of 4-1 (.800) vs regionally ranked opponents (2-0 sweep vs Brandeis (#10 Northeast, UAA), 1-0 vs Emory (#5 South--UAA), 1-1 vs Hobart (#5 East).

Emory-- #5 in South-- Pool C candidate

In-region winning pct of 17-4 (.810), SOS of .441 (OWP .446, OOWP .430)  In-region record of 1-2 vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs Brandeis (#10 Northeast, UAA), 0-1 vs Rochester (#2 East-- UAA)).

Brandeis-- #10 in Northeast

Brandeis is too far down the regional rankings at this point to get a Pool C, in my view.

In-region winning pct of 15-7 (.682), SOS of .489 (OWP .484. OOWP .498)  In-region record of 1-4 vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs Emory, (#5 in South-- UAA), 0-2 vs Rochester (#2 in East, UAA), 0-1 vs Amherst (#5 Northeast).

Conference tournaments to watch affecting the UAA picture for 2 bids:  ODAC, USA South, American Southwest, SUNYAC.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2011, 08:07:33 AM
ECAC Tournament News:

 Brandeis and NYU Men's Basketball declare that they wish to be considered for ECAC tournament selection in their respective regions.  (http://static.psbin.com/a/t/b9sj9nylbwcqh8/Declared_Teams_M_Bskb.pdf)

Brandeis and NYU have filed declaration papers for ECAC tournament selection in the New England and Metro Regions, respectively.  Both programs are available to host for all rounds of the ECAC Championship.  The tournament will be held with the first round on Wednesday, March 2, 2011 and the semis and title game in each region scheduled for the weekend of March 5-6, 2011.

Both Brandeis and NYU have records above .500, making them eligible for ECAC selection.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 18, 2011, 05:36:12 PM
Gosh I wish the UAA had a conference tournament. I know it would be logistically unfeasible, but I can still dream.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 18, 2011, 06:07:51 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 18, 2011, 05:36:12 PM
Gosh I wish the UAA had a conference tournament. I know it would be logistically unfeasible, but I can still dream.

On the other hand, a conference tourney adds another in-region loss to every pool C candidate.  Lack of a tourney and being spread across 5 regions gives the UAA a HUGE advantage for pool C.

Of course, for fans (and hopefully the players ;)) conference tourneys sure are fun! :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on February 18, 2011, 06:26:20 PM
deiscanton,
If Emory and Rochester are co-champions, what would decide the tiebreaker? They would be tied head to head, so is it how they did against the 3rd place team, 4th place team and so on in descending order?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2011, 08:55:53 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 14, 2011, 09:35:39 AM
It is time to review the UAA tiebreaker procedures for determining the UAA's automatic bid if there is a tie for first at the end of UAA play on Feb. 26.     If Emory and Rochester win both of their away games this upcoming weekend, and if Emory defeats Rochester at the WoodPEC in Atlanta on Feb. 26, 2011, then Emory and Rochester will be UAA Co-Champions and a tiebreaker will have to determine who gets the automatic bid.

The UAA tiebreaker procedures are located in Section 2 of the UAA Basketball Code of Conduct, which can be found at:  http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Administrative/Code_Of_Conduct/Basketball.pdf  (http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Administrative/Code_Of_Conduct/Basketball.pdf)

(Representative means the team who will get the Pool A automatic bid.)

To summarize: the tiebreaker procedure is

(1)  Best record in head-to-head UAA competition among the co-champions;

(2)  Best record in head-to-head UAA competition between the co-champions and the subsequent finishers until a representative is determined;

(3)  Best record in UAA road games;

(4)  If this process fails to determine a representative, the representative to NCAA post-season competition shall be determined by a coin flip administered by the Executive Secretary.

At the moment, if there was a tie right now and the season ended today, Rochester would have the tiebreaker advantage by virtue of tiebreaker #3 due to the fact that Rochester is 3-1 (.750) in UAA road games while Emory is 3-2 (.600) in UAA road games.  However, Rochester's 7th road UAA game is at Emory on Feb. 26.

The tiebreaker should become clearer at the end of next week's play when there should be an indicator if one team has sole possession of third, or if there are teams still tied for third place in the UAA.  Right now, both Rochester and Emory are 5-1 vs Wash U, Chicago, and Brandeis-- which is the group tied for thiird, and the other results vs the sixth, seventh, and eighth place teams do not break the deadlock.

Tuesday Feb. 15 updated addendum--  Should Rochester and Emory end up as UAA Co-Champions with a record of 12-2 in the UAA, tiebreaker #3 will not settle the tie as Rochester and Emory will each have a 5-2 mark in UAA road games.

Wash U cannot break the tie as both Rochester and Emory swept Wash U.

In this case, the tiebreaker would be as follows-- (Rochester and Emory would be UAA Co-Champions)

(1)  If Brandeis finishes ahead of Chicago in the standings--  Rochester gets UAA bid via Tiebreaker #2.

(2)  If Chicago finishes ahead of Brandeis in the standings--  Emory gets UAA bid via Tiebreaker #2.

(3)  If Brandeis and Chicago are still tied in the UAA standings--  UAA bid gets determined by coin flip.

Magicman, this should answer your inquiry.   This is Reply #3042, which I wrote earlier this week-- I have quoted it in its entirety for people who are just browsing the forum now.

In short, you are correct.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2011, 09:02:00 PM
Game reset from UAA men's action-- 8 PM Eastern tips.

The halftime scores were:

Emory 41, Case 30 from Cleveland, and

Rochester 29, Carnegie Mellon 27 from Pittsburgh.

Game reset now

Rochester 43, Carnegie Mellon 34  11:37 remaining.

Emory and Case are still at the half.

Brandeis at Chicago and NYU at Wash U scheduled to tip shortly.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2011, 09:31:46 PM
Game resets from the 8 PM Eastern tips:

Rochester 63, Carnegie Mellon 50--  Final from Skibo Gym in Pittsburgh.

Emory 64, Case 50-- 8:17 remaining.

Congratulations to Case's Reid Anderson on scoring his 1,000th point tonight.

Update:  Final from Horsburgh Gym in Cleveland

Emory 83, Case 64-- Final
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2011, 09:34:28 PM
Game resets from the Midwest tips in the UAA--

Brandeis 18, Chicago 16  7:09 left in first half.

NYU 29, Wash U 23  2:44 left in first half.

Update:  At the half from St. Louis--  NYU 33, Wash U 25

Update:  Brandeis 29, Chicago 22  2:53 remaining in the first half from Chicago.

Update:  At the half from Chicago-- Brandeis 33, Chicago 26
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2011, 09:56:21 PM
Second half game resets from the Midwest UAA games--

NYU 41, Wash U 32  16:55 remaining from the Wash U Field House in St. Louis.

Brandeis 43, Chicago 31  17:15 remaining from the Ratner Center in Chicago.

Update from St. Louis:  NYU 45, Wash U 38  11:46 remaining.

Update from St. Louis:  NYU 47, Wash U 47  8:55 remaining.

Update from Chicago:  Brandeis 51, Chicago 38  12:32 remaining.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2011, 10:18:23 PM
Game resets with less than 10 minutes remaining in the second half in the Midwest UAA games--

NYU 54, Wash U 54 5:36 remaining.

Brandeis 54, Chicago 44  9:42 remaining.

Update:  Wash U 59, NYU 56  2:19 remaining.

Update:  Brandeis 59, Chicago 53  6:26 remaining.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2011, 10:36:33 PM
Final from the Wash U Field House in St. Louis--

Wash U 67, NYU 61

Game reset from Chicago

Brandeis 68, Chicago 61  52 seconds remaining.

Final from Chicago

Brandeis 71, Chicago 63.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2011, 10:45:44 PM
Here is the update on the UAA tiebreaker situation:

The victory by Brandeis over Chicago today puts Brandeis in a tie with Wash U for 3rd place in the UAA.

Brandeis is 1 game ahead of 5th place Chicago in the standings.

As a result, Rochester currently has the tiebreaker advantage for the automatic bid over Emory should both end up as UAA Co-Champions due to the fact that Rochester went 4-0 vs Brandeis and Wash U this season in UAA play, while Emory went 3-1 vs the pairing.

Rochester swept Brandeis this season, while Emory went 1-1 vs Brandeis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on February 19, 2011, 01:08:15 AM
deiscanton,
Thank you for the tiebreaker info. I must have missed it earlier. Plus k.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 19, 2011, 09:32:29 PM
I was very impressed by your Judges last night, Allen. Their quickness really hurt the Maroons at both ends of the floor. Freeman and Hughes, in particular, are lightning-fast. Hard to believe that Yemga is the only Brandeis senior. The Judges should be a real force next season.

Chicago is very young as well (no seniors) and plays very well as a team, but it's a squad that needs more guys who can put the ball in the hole consistently. Matt Johnson can't do it all by himself.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 20, 2011, 12:06:58 PM
UAA Men's action underway--

Emory at CMU has just tipped, while Rochester at Case will tip in about a minute....

Coming up at Noon Central/1 PM Eastern-- Brandeis is at Wash U, while NYU is at Chicago.

Rochester will be assured of at least a UAA Co-Championship with a victory today over Case.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 20, 2011, 12:41:11 PM
Halftime from the Noon Eastern tips in UAA action

Emory 31, Carnegie Mellon 29

Game reset from Case in Cleveland

Case 43, Rochester 35  1:23 left in first.

Update:  Case 45, Rochester 40  43 seconds left in first.

Update:  Case 47, Rochester 43  Halftime.

Rochester Chris Dende hit a "3" at the buzzer to cut Rochester's deficit to 4 going into the locker room.

Austin Fowler leads Case with 19 pts at the half-- 7 of 12 from the field in the first, 3-3 from 3 pt land, 2-3 FT.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 20, 2011, 01:13:49 PM
Game resets from Noon Eastern tips

Rochester 58, Case 55  14:37 left in regulation

Emory 45, Carnegie Mellon 44 10:34 left in regulation

Update

Rochester 73, Case 63  9:18 left in regulation

Carnegie Mellon 53, Emory 52  5:13 left in regulation

Emory 54, Carnegie Mellon 54  3:52 left in regulation

Carnegie Mellon 57, Emory 55 1:10 left in regulation

A CMU win with a Rochester win today clinches the UAA title and automatic bid for Rochester.

CMU 57, Emory 57  51 seconds left in regulation

Rochester 85, Case 75  3:35 left in regulation

CMU 57, Emory 57   1 second left in regulation  Timeout  Emory

(Game clock reset to 1 second)

CMU 57, Emory 57    End of regulation

Rochester 95,  Case 85   Final-- Rochester is assured of at least a UAA Co-Championship

CMU  65, Emory 63  1:50 left in OT

CMU 66, Emory 64  1:18 left in OT

CMU 71, Emory 70  10 seconds left in OT  Timeout Emory

Carnegie Mellon 72, Emory 70   Final in OT-- Rochester wins UAA Championship and the automatic bid to the NCAA DIII Tournament
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 20, 2011, 01:16:03 PM
Game resets from Midwest UAA games

Wash U 14, Brandeis 13  12:54 left in first

NYU 11, Chicago 7  15:56 left in 1st

Halftime scores from these UAA games

Brandeis 37, Wash U 36

NYU 43, Chicago 40

Second half resets

Brandeis 57, Wash U 56  10:14 left in regulation

NYU 56, Chicago 53  13:50 left in regulation

Finals

Chicago 82, NYU 80

Wash U 77, Brandeis 75
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 20, 2011, 02:11:31 PM
Congratulations to the Rochester men on clinching the UAA title today and the automatic bid to the NCAAs.

Represent the UAA well in the NCAA tournament, Yellowjackets.

To recap,  Rochester clinched the UAA title today as a result of Rochester's victory over Case combined with CMU's win over Emory today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 20, 2011, 04:06:03 PM
Let me hear you say yeah! Washington University wins a close one thanks to a career game by Caleb Knepper (28 points, 8-12 shooting from three point range, 5 rebounds).  Glad to see him get in one great game at home after struggling with injuries for much of the season.  Dylan Richter had yet another great game with 21 points.

Coach Edwards played Kevin Bischoff at the point for 19 minutes, mostly in the second half while Alan Aboona did not play at all.  Ben Hoener had established himself as the primary point guard in the second half of the season, but Bischoff played solid, mistake-free basketball.

Of course, Tyrone Hughes is one of the most exciting to watch players I have seen all season. 

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 20, 2011, 04:34:05 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 20, 2011, 02:11:31 PM
Congratulations to the Rochester men on clinching the UAA title today and the automatic bid to the NCAAs.

Represent the UAA well in the NCAA tournament, Yellowjackets.

To recap,  Rochester clinched the UAA title today as a result of Rochester's victory over Case combined with CMU's win over Emory today.

That's the great thing about sports... results are determined on the court/field/whatever.   I am the first to admit that I did not give Rochester even a remote chance of winning the UAA this year, believing that too many players had left the program for them to be effective.  I was wrong and gladly tip my hat to Coach Flockerzi.  He had the guys playing outstanding team basketball right from the beginning.  Congratulations!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 20, 2011, 05:08:17 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 20, 2011, 04:06:03 PM
Let me hear you say yeah! Washington University wins a close one thanks to a career game by Caleb Knepper (28 points, 8-12 shooting from three point range, 5 rebounds).  Glad to see him get in one great game at home after struggling with injuries for much of the season.  Dylan Richter had yet another great game with 21 points.

Coach Edwards played Kevin Bischoff at the point for 19 minutes, mostly in the second half while Alan Aboona did not play at all.  Ben Hoener had established himself as the primary point guard in the second half of the season, but Bischoff played solid, mistake-free basketball.

Of course, Tyrone Hughes is one of the most exciting to watch players I have seen all season.  



I'm looking forward to Brandeis being in the ECAC New England Tournament, and I would like to see Brandeis go up against Johnson & Wales, to have the Judges play against Lamonte Thomas, who is DIII's current national leader in PPG, but I will prepare myself for a potential game on Wednesday, March 2 against whoever the ECAC picks to play Brandeis.   I have no doubt that Brandeis will get picked for the ECACs, as the Judges have declared that they want to be considered.

Of course, Johnson & Wales will have to lose in the GNAC tournament this upcoming week to set that game up....

(PS-- and, of course, I would also like to play Albertus Magnus as well if the ECAC assigns Brandeis that opponent, but Albertus will also have to lose next week in order for that match to happen as well....)

Wash U gets their winning season-- congratulations.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 20, 2011, 05:22:21 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 16, 2011, 11:05:55 PM
Who knew the Case/CMU weekend would be so tough!

Who knew that Rochester would be the only UAA team to sweep the Great Lakes road trip this season!

In addition, who knew that Carnegie Mellon would be the kingmaker! :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaabballfan on February 21, 2011, 08:36:41 PM
How did Rochester improve so much over last year?  Is it the new coach?  They really didn't have too many new impact players, mostly the same as last year.  Novosel, DiBart, Lab, were all there last year?  Discuss....

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 21, 2011, 09:00:34 PM
Quote from: uaabballfan on February 21, 2011, 08:36:41 PM
How did Rochester improve so much over last year?  Is it the new coach?  They really didn't have too many new impact players, mostly the same as last year.  Novosel, DiBart, Lab, were all there last year?  Discuss....



Totally different style of play - one that matches  the talent that is there.  And you could make an argument that the loss of some players was beneficial.  There were FAR too many players the last couple of years, making it tough for guys to figure out what their roles were.  IMO.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 22, 2011, 11:09:59 AM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on February 21, 2011, 09:00:34 PM
Quote from: uaabballfan on February 21, 2011, 08:36:41 PM
How did Rochester improve so much over last year?  Is it the new coach?  They really didn't have too many new impact players, mostly the same as last year.  Novosel, DiBart, Lab, were all there last year?  Discuss....



Totally different style of play - one that matches  the talent that is there.  And you could make an argument that the loss of some players was beneficial.  There were FAR too many players the last couple of years, making it tough for guys to figure out what their roles were.  IMO.

The Sunday, January 23, 2011 edition of the Hoopsville DIII show has a feature interview of Rochester men's coach Luke Flockerzi talking about his team, which was 4-1 in the UAA at the time.  The interview was conducted by Dave 'd-mac' McHugh and it can be found from the 14th minute to the 27th minute of the show:

 http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/12209385  (http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/12209385)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 22, 2011, 11:24:11 AM
Today's (Feb. 22, 2011) edition of the Emory Wheel has an article written by Geoff Gilbert on Emory's road trip at Case and Carnegie Mellon.   Comments from Emory coach Jason Zimmerman are included:

  OT loss destroys (Emory's) Chance at UAA Title  (http://www.emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=29400)

(Note: I like the quote from Emory coach Jason Zimmerman when he says that the "Sunday games are always an adventure.")
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on February 22, 2011, 02:01:11 PM
Not Basketball related but an interesting news article today about Wash U's library discovery. Seems that dozens of books belonging to Thomas Jefferson have been found in the library's rare books collection. Jefferson's granddaughter donated them many years ago. Here's the article:

Jefferson's books found in Mo. university library
 
February 22, 2011 12:19 PM EST
Dozens of Thomas Jefferson's books have been found in the rare books collection at Washington University in St. Louis.

Scholars are now poring through the 28 titles and 74 volumes, searching for the occasional handwritten note from the nation's third president. And librarians say it's possible more of Jefferson's books will be found in the school's collection.

The school announced the discovery Monday, on Presidents Day. Librarians say Jefferson's books were sold after his death to settle debts. His granddaughter, Ellen Wayles Randolph Coolidge, bid on many of the books.

When she and her husband died, their library was donated to Washington University, but there was no indication any of the books belonged to Jefferson.

The school discovered the connection after getting a tip from a Jefferson scholar.

   
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2011, 02:20:16 PM
Quote from: magicman on February 22, 2011, 02:01:11 PM
Not Basketball related but an interesting news article today about Wash U's library discovery. Seems that dozens of books belonging to Thomas Jefferson have been found in the library's rare books collection. Jefferson's granddaughter donated them many years ago. Here's the article:

Jefferson's books found in Mo. university library
 
February 22, 2011 12:19 PM EST
Dozens of Thomas Jefferson's books have been found in the rare books collection at Washington University in St. Louis.

Scholars are now poring through the 28 titles and 74 volumes, searching for the occasional handwritten note from the nation's third president. And librarians say it's possible more of Jefferson's books will be found in the school's collection.

The school announced the discovery Monday, on Presidents Day. Librarians say Jefferson's books were sold after his death to settle debts. His granddaughter, Ellen Wayles Randolph Coolidge, bid on many of the books.

When she and her husband died, their library was donated to Washington University, but there was no indication any of the books belonged to Jefferson.

The school discovered the connection after getting a tip from a Jefferson scholar.
 

  Good scouting report.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on February 22, 2011, 10:33:42 PM
Congratulations to Rochester's Michael Labanowski and Case Western Reserve's Eric Duerr for being named to the Academic All-America team (http://www.cosida.com/media/documents/2011/2/CapitalOneMBBAAA201011.pdf) by CoSIDA today.  Labanowski, a senior with a 3.86 GPA in Mechanical Engineering, was named to the second team.  Duerr, who carries a 3.93 GPA in Pre-Med Biology, was named to the third team for the second consecutive year.  Congratulations to both these outstanding scholar-athletes!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2011, 05:14:00 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 22, 2011, 10:33:42 PM
Congratulations to Rochester's Michael Labanowski and Case Western Reserve's Eric Duerr for being named to the Academic All-America team (http://www.cosida.com/media/documents/2011/2/CapitalOneMBBAAA201011.pdf) by CoSIDA today.  Labanowski, a senior with a 3.86 GPA in Mechanical Engineering, was named to the second team.  Duerr, who carries a 3.93 GPA in Pre-Med Biology, was named to the third team for the second consecutive year.  Congratulations to both these outstanding scholar-athletes!

I join David Collinge as well in congratulating Mike Labanowski and Eric Duerr on their outstanding academic accomplishments this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2011, 05:16:48 AM
The "Eagle Watch" on the Emory men's basketball page has just posted some new video comments from Emory men's basketball coach Jason Zimmerman.

In these new comments, Coach Zimmerman talks about Emory's weekend at Case and Carnegie Mellon, and previews the upcoming game against Rochester on Saturday.

The video is 2 min 35 seconds long, and the preview starts at 1 min 45 seconds into the video.

The "Eagle Watch" can be found at:

http://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/index  (http://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/index)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 03:50:42 PM
Final Regional Rankings are out before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2011, 04:37:40 PM
Regionally ranked teams that are not the automatic qualifier from the UAA :

Emory-- #8 in South

Emory's in-region record (through games of Feb. 20) is 18-5  (.783)

Emory's in-region SOS is .462  (OWP of .444, OOWP of .497)

Emory is currently 1-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs Brandeis, 0-1 vs Rochester)

Will a victory on Saturday vs Rochester be enough to put Emory on the national table for Pool C consideration?  (A debatable question now given Emory's #8 in South regional ranking this week....) And if the answer to that first question is "yes", does Emory get picked for a Pool C?  (Another debatable question....)

Obviously, a Rochester win on Saturday @ Emory ensures that the UAA will only send the Yellowjackets to the NCAA DIII Men's Tournament this year-- no doubt about that.

Brandeis-- #10 in Northeast

Brandeis's in-region record is 16-8  (.667)

Brandeis's in-region SOS is .502  (OWP of .492, OOWP of .524)

Brandeis is currently 1-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents  (1-1 vs Emory, 0-2 vs Rochester, 0-1 vs Amherst (#5 in Northeast)

I will count on Brandeis being in the ECAC New England Tournament with a first round game on Wednesday, March 2, 2011.

The UAA Champion is Rochester-- Pool A automatic qualifier-- #3 in East

Rochester's in-region record is 19-3 (.864)

Rochester's in-region SOS is .490 (OWP of .486, OOWP of .499)

Rochester is 4-1 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs Hobart (#5 in East), 2-0 vs Brandeis, 1-0 vs Emory).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 26, 2011, 04:40:00 PM
UAA Men's play is underway

Game updates--3 games under way in UAA Men's play

NYU 32, Brandeis 23  5:38 left in first half

Emory 26, Rochester 19  6:46 left in first

Chicago 9, Wash U 5 15:39 left in first

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 26, 2011, 04:51:44 PM
Halftime from 3 PM Central/4 PM Eastern scheduled tips

NYU 39, Brandeis 29

Emory 45, Rochester 40

Chicago 31, Wash U 27

Halftime from 4 PM Central/ 5 PM Eastern scheduled tip

CMU 35, Case 30
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 26, 2011, 05:38:05 PM
Second half game resets

NYU 68, Brandeis 52  1:18 left in regulation

Emory 71, Rochester 60  3:34 left in regulation

Chicago 53, Wash U 40  11:26 left in regulation
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 26, 2011, 05:48:07 PM
Final from Coles Center in New York--

NYU 70, Brandeis 54

Brandeis and NYU have both declared for their ECAC tournaments in the New England and Metro Regions, respectively, and will await Monday's ECAC selection calls, pairings to be announced Monday afternoon after the NCAA releases their picks for the national tournament.

The Elms win in the NECC tourney means that Brandeis may be the #1 seed in the ECAC New England tournament when the bracket gets revealed on Monday.

(Brandeis will not face NCAA leader in PPG Lamonte Thomas next week, however, as Johnson & Wales won the GNAC tournament.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 26, 2011, 05:55:21 PM
  Final from WoodPEC in Atlanta

  Emory 83, Rochester 72

According to JC DeLass's call on WYSL feed, Emory played like an NCAA championship caliber team today.

JC DeLass is finding it hard to believe that Emory finished 20-5 overall, 2nd in UAA, but may miss out on an NCAA bid.  He believes that Emory deserves to go to the NCAAs based on the game today.

Question:  If Emory is playing so well right now, why did the Eagles lose to LaGrange, a 4 win in-region team, earlier this season?  Emory should sweep teams like LaGrange-- for a while there, LaGrange's only win of the season was over Emory until just two weeks ago.

Emory finishes 19-5 in-region (.792), the 20th win was over a provisional DIII team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 26, 2011, 06:15:05 PM
Final from Wash U Field House in St. Louis

Chicago 74, Wash U 67
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 26, 2011, 06:32:48 PM
From Horsburgh Gym in Cleveland--

Case 71, Carnegie Mellon 54

This concludes UAA conference play for the 2010-2011 season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 28, 2011, 09:57:26 AM
It is Selection Monday

The NCAA makes its announcement later today as to where/who Rochester will play in the first/second rounds.

The final fate of Emory gets officially announced later today by the NCAA.

Also, Brandeis and NYU declared that they want to be considered for selection to the ECAC tournaments in the New England and Metro Regions.   I expect both to be picked for those tournaments later today, with Brandeis getting a top seed.   (Depending on the fate of Eastern Connecticut's Pool C chances, Brandeis could either be a #1 or #2 seed in the ECACs, IMO.)

(I'll take anybody-- but a potential Brandeis vs Albertus Magnus matchup on the weekend seems intriguing to me-- just my humble opinion.)

ECAC play starts Wednesday night, March 2-- with the semis and title game on March 5th/6th.

(Note:  Since Brandeis ended up as a #6 seed, there was no ECAC game at Auerbach Arena this season.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 28, 2011, 01:26:55 PM
 Rochester is heading to Ithaca, NY for first and second round games

 Rochester will play Elms in first round Friday in NCAAs

 Winner of Rochester v Elms will play the winner of Ithaca v MIT on Saturday

 Emory's season officially over-- Eagles did not get a Pool C bid

Update:  Emory's final resume numbers

Emory finished with an in-region record of 19-5 (.792)

Emory's final SOS was .461  (.447 OWP, .489 OOWP)

SOS number was too low given in-region winning pct to get a Pool C bid.

Emory finished 2-2 vs regionally ranked opponents  (1-1 vs Rochester, 1-1 vs Brandeis)

I will now await the ECAC selections later today--  In the ECAC New England tournament, Brandeis and E. Connecticut should be the top 2 seeds-- the ECAC will reveal who is top seed between Brandeis and E. Connecticut later today.

Also awaiting their ECAC fate-- the NYU men for the ECAC Metro Tournament.

My prediction for the seeds for the ECAC New England Tournament:

Eastern Connecticut will get the #1 seed. and Brandeis will have the #2 seed. (My prediction only)

I won't be surprised if Brandeis will have to travel to Geissler Gym in Willimantic CT this weekend should they win on Wednesday.

Now awaiting ECAC selections later today....

Update-- Final regional rankings for the men were just released....

Rochester finished at #3 in the East

Emory dropped out of the top 8 in the South.

Brandeis dropped out of the top 11 in the Northeast.

Regional rankings seem to suggest Brandeis as a #2 seed in the ECAC New England Tournament behind Eastern Connecticut-- we will see later today.....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 28, 2011, 05:07:38 PM
Brandeis men are #6 seed in ECAC New England Tournament-- will play at #3 Keene State on Wednesday:

http://www.brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20110228n9sk90  (http://www.brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20110228n9sk90)

NYU men are #8 seed in ECAC Metro Tournament-- will play at #1 St. Joseph (LI) on Wednesday:

http://www.gonyuathletics.com/news/2011/2/28/MBB_0228113803.aspx  (http://www.gonyuathletics.com/news/2011/2/28/MBB_0228113803.aspx)

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 02, 2011, 08:14:20 PM
Game reset in ECAC New England action

Brandeis 50, Keene State 50  11:15 left in 2nd half.

Keene State led 39-30 at the half.

Update:  Keene State 52, Brandeis 50  9:23 left in regulation

Update:  Keene State 75, Brandeis 70  2:24 left in regulation-- Bartoldus and Yemga have fouled out of the game.

Update:  Keene State 77, Brandeis 76 1:51 left in regulation

(Good sized crowd up in Keene, NH with the cheerleaders-- I expected the crowd to be a little bit rowdier, but they are attentive to the game.)

 Final:  Brandeis 84, Keene State 77--  Brandeis advances to ECAC semifinals

Brandeis placed 3 players in double figures tonight in the scoring department (Youri Dascy had 24 pts, Vytas Kriskus had 23 pts, and Tyrone Hughes had 13 pts for the Judges), while Keene State placed 2 players in double figures (Derek D'Amours had 37 pts and Ryan Martin had 12 pts to lead the Owls in the scoring department.)

The quickness of Brandeis plus the smarter team play by the Judges in the final 2 minutes led Brandeis to victory over a Keene State team that brought a good sized crowd to the game, but not as rowdy of a crowd as I would have expected at Spaulding Gym in Keene, NH.   Surprisingly, this game in terms of crowd intensity looked a lot like the game would have been at Brandeis this year-- except that there were cheerleaders at Spaulding in this game while there would have been no cheerleading squad in attendance this year at the Auerbach Arena in Waltham, MA.

Glad to see Brandeis survive and advance-- Judges probably headed for Geissler Gym in Willimantic, Connecticut for the weekend.

Update:  Brandeis will play #7 seed Mass College of Liberal Arts on Saturday-- MCLA defeated Anna Maria, 80-76, @ Anna Maria in Paxton, MA to advance to Saturday's semifinal.

Top seed Eastern Connecticut won their first round game tonight over Regis.-- I hope that Albertus Magnus can advance-- Albertus does not do live stats, so I am awaiting a final boxscore from "the Nest" in New Haven, CT.

Update:  Albertus 87, Wentworth 87  End of 1st OT-- Going to double overtime in New Haven, CT.  Albertus is providing an updated score on the front page tonight-- still no live stats, unfortunately.

Final:  Albertus Magnus 96, Wentworth 95  (2 OT).

Update:  Brandeis scored the final 14 points of the game tonight in the win at Keene, NH.

Here is Brandeis's game recap:

 http://www.brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/2011030207saln  (http://www.brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/2011030207saln)

(10:31 PM Eastern update-- Here is Keene State's game recap, with comments from Keene State coach Rob Colbert):

 Brandeis upsets Owls in ECAC Tournament:

 http://keeneowls.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20110302b1qrh6  (http://keeneowls.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20110302b1qrh6)

ECAC New England semifinals at Geissler Gym in Willimantic, CT on Saturday, March 5, 2011

(1)  Eastern Connecticut vs Albertus Magnus-- 5 PM Eastern
(2)  Brandeis vs MCLA-- approx. 7 PM Eastern

Title game at Geissler Gym in Willimantic, CT on Sunday, March 6, 2011 at 1 PM Eastern.


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 02, 2011, 09:52:50 PM
ECAC Metro action this evening:

 #8 seed NYU defeated top seed St. Joseph's (LI), 107-93, to play Rutgers-Newark on Saturday in an ECAC semifinal game:

Box score:

 http://eagles.sjcny.edu/stats/2010-2011/Mens-Basketball/m-030211.htm  (http://eagles.sjcny.edu/stats/2010-2011/Mens-Basketball/m-030211.htm)

Other ECAC Metro scores tonight:

#2 seed Stevens 91, #7 seed Baruch 76
#3 seed Mount St. Mary 85, #6 seed Richard Stockton 80
#4 seed Rutgers-Newark 75, #5 seed Staten Island 68

ECAC Metro semifinals-- Saturday, March 5, 2011 at 7 PM Eastern

(1)  NYU @ Rutgers-Newark-- Game to be played in Newark, NJ
(2)  Mt. St. Mary @ Stevens-- Game to be played in Hoboken, NJ
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 03, 2011, 04:28:29 PM
 2010-2011 UAA All Association Men's Basketball Honors Announced:

http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/2010-11%20MBKB_All-Assoc.pdf  (http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/2010-11%20MBKB_All-Assoc.pdf)

Player of the Year:  John DiBartolomeo, Rochester
Rookie of the Year:  Jake Davis, Emory
Coaching Staff of the Year: Rochester  (Head Coach Luke Flockerzi, Assistant Coaches Ryan Mee, Jeff Juron, Adrian Smalls)

Congratulations to all who made the All Association honors list!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaabballfan on March 03, 2011, 04:30:25 PM
So how far does Rochester go in the NCAA?  Any predictions?  I still don't have a good answer from folks on why they turned it around this year....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on March 03, 2011, 06:33:36 PM
Quote from: uaabballfan on March 03, 2011, 04:30:25 PM
So how far does Rochester go in the NCAA?  Any predictions?  I still don't have a good answer from folks on why they turned it around this year....

Well it's not like they were terrible in the past.  22, 16 and 15 wins the last 3 years.  But I think if you saw them play during that time, you saw a "walk the ball up the floor" offense where the PG's only job was to distribute the ball to the bigs.  This year they seem to be utilizing the talent they have, and they have back to back UAA ROY's, instead of trying to make them fit a system.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 04, 2011, 09:04:43 AM
Quote from: uaabballfan on March 03, 2011, 04:30:25 PM
So how far does Rochester go in the NCAA?  Any predictions?  I still don't have a good answer from folks on why they turned it around this year....

This year, I have Rochester going to the Sweet 16 on my bracket in the D3Photography.com Bracket Challenge, for what it is worth.

There was a period of a few years (the most recent period being the NCAA DIII Men's Basketball Tournaments for March 2004, 2005, and 2006) where the UAA only sent the automatic qualifier to the NCAA on the men's side.  It happened as recently as the 2005-06 season.

In the 2004-05 season, Rochester was the only team from the UAA in the DIII Men's Basketball Tournament.  Led by Seth Hauben, that team made it all the way to the national title game before losing to UW-Stevens Point.

In the 2005-06 season, Carnegie Mellon won the UAA with a 10-4 mark in UAA play to appear in the NCAAs that year as the only team from the UAA on the men's side.   That team lost in the first round to Baldwin-Wallace to finish 20-6 overall.

I think that this year's Rochester team will win the Ithaca pod this weekend and advance to sectionals before bowing out.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 05, 2011, 07:09:56 PM
ECAC New England Semifinal Game #2 is about to tip from Geissler Gym in Willimantic, CT

Brandeis is playing Mass College of Liberal Arts in this semifinal-- Winner will play tomorrow vs #1 seed Eastern Connecticut in the title game.   E. Connecticut defeated Albertus Magnus, 66-61, in the earlier semifinal.

Game action-- first half

Brandeis 10, Mass College 4  16:33 left in first half.

Brandeis 19, Mass College 16  9:18 left in first half.

Brandeis 37, Mass College 27  2:23 left in first half.

Halftime:  Brandeis 40, Mass College 31

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 05, 2011, 08:11:49 PM
ECAC New England semifinal action--Game reset-- 2nd half

MCLA 46, Brandeis 45  15:49 left in regulation

MCLA went on a 12-0 run to start the second half.

Mass College 55, Brandeis 54  10:18 left in regulation.

Brandeis 69, Mass College 66  2:53 left in regulation.

Brandeis 71, Mass College 66  56.8 seconds left in regulation.

  Final-- Brandeis 76, Mass College of Liberal Arts 66--  Brandeis advances to play Eastern Connecticut in the ECAC New England Championship game tomorrow (March 6) at 1 PM Eastern.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 05, 2011, 09:11:05 PM
ECAC Metro Semifinal Action tonight--

Rutgers-Newark 69, NYU 54

NYU ends their season at 16-11.

Rutgers-Newark will play Stevens in tomorrow's ECAC Metro Championship game-- Stevens defeated Mt. St. Mary, 85-80 in the other semifinal.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 05, 2011, 09:21:40 PM
Congratulations to Rochester on moving on to the Sweet 16 tonight with a 60-52 win over MIT in NCAA second round action from Ithaca, NY.

Best of luck to the Yellowjackets in next Friday's sectional game vs Middlebury.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 06, 2011, 12:52:56 PM
The ECAC New England Championship game between Brandeis and Eastern Connecticut will be underway shortly from Geissler Gym in Willimantic, CT

Tip scheduled for 1 PM Eastern.

First half game updates

Brandeis 6, Eastern Connecticut 2  17:54 left in first half.

Brandeis 13, Eastern Connecticut 11  9:47 left in first half.

Brandeis 22, Eastern Connecticut 14  6:06 left in first half.

Halftime from Geissler Gym-- Brandeis 32,  Eastern Connecticut 22

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Bengalsrule on March 06, 2011, 01:19:09 PM
Here's 1 vote for an "All Western New York" Elite 8 match-up Saturday. U of R vs Buff State.
Hoping both win Friday!
Good Luck Friday vs. Middlebury!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 06, 2011, 01:51:44 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on March 06, 2011, 12:52:56 PM
The ECAC New England Championship game between Brandeis and Eastern Connecticut will be underway shortly from Geissler Gym in Willimantic, CT

Tip scheduled for 1 PM Eastern.

First half game updates

Brandeis 6, Eastern Connecticut 2  17:54 left in first half.

Brandeis 13, Eastern Connecticut 11  9:47 left in first half.

Brandeis 22, Eastern Connecticut 14  6:06 left in first half.

Halftime from Geissler Gym-- Brandeis 32,  Eastern Connecticut 22



Second half about to get underway.....  Second half game updates

Brandeis 39,  Eastern Connecticut 28  16:29 left in regulation

Brandeis 43, Eastern Connecticut 32  12:55 left in regulation

Brandeis 46, Eastern Connecticut 32  11:14 left in regulation-- some Eastern Connecticut "fans" got escorted out of Geissler Gym by the state troopers-- apparently for making some derogatory comments at the Brandeis players.  (Unknown what was actually said, however....)

Brandeis 51, Eastern Connecticut 39  8:30 left in regulation

Brandeis 58, Eastern Connecticut 46  5:30 left in regulation

Brandeis 61, Eastern Connecticut 48  3:24 left in regulation

 Final-- Brandeis 65,  Eastern Connecticut 50

 Brandeis is the 2010-2011 ECAC New England Champion-- first ECAC title in men's basketball for Brandeis since 1991-92 when the Judges, as the #6 seed, won at Bates, at Williams, and at Colby to capture that championship.

 Most Outstanding Player of the ECAC New England Tournament-- from Brandeis University, #10 Ben Bartoldus

Brandeis finishes their season with a 19-9 record-- Judges captured their 3rd ECAC New England title in 5 ECAC New England appearances.   In addition to the 1992 ECAC New England title and today's victory, the Judges also won the ECAC New England title in 1974.   Brandeis also appeared in the ECAC New England tournament in 1991 and 1995.

Update:  Brandeis Judges game recap of the title game:

 http://www.brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20110306y1ngbr  (http://www.brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/20110306y1ngbr)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 08, 2011, 07:46:02 AM
The Brandeis Justice has come out with their March 8, 2011 edition

In this edition, staff writer Jonathan Steinberg wrote about Brandeis winning the ECAC New England title over the weekend.   The article contains comments from Brandeis head coach Brian Meehan-- I found it interesting that he thought that the ECAC should also have named Brandeis player Youri Dascy as a co-tourney MVP in addition to Ben Bartoldus:

 http://media.www.thejustice.org/media/storage/paper573/news/2011/03/08/Sports/Mens-Basketball.Men.Battle.Back.To.Win.The.Eastern.College.Athletic.Conference.T-3984088.shtml  (http://media.www.thejustice.org/media/storage/paper573/news/2011/03/08/Sports/Mens-Basketball.Men.Battle.Back.To.Win.The.Eastern.College.Athletic.Conference.T-3984088.shtml)

(Note:  In the other ECAC regions, Stevens won the ECAC Metro men's title, Hobart won the ECAC Upstate men's title, and Lebanon Valley took the ECAC South men's title, just FYI.)

Also in this week's edition of the Brandeis Justice, staff writer Jonathan Epstein wrote a feature on ECAC New England Tournament MVP Ben Bartoldus, who was named Justice Athlete of the Week:

http://media.www.thejustice.org/media/storage/paper573/news/2011/03/08/Sports/Athlete.Of.The.Week.Ben.Bartoldus.14-3984107.shtml  (http://media.www.thejustice.org/media/storage/paper573/news/2011/03/08/Sports/Athlete.Of.The.Week.Ben.Bartoldus.14-3984107.shtml)

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on May 21, 2011, 11:33:02 AM
WUSTL announced its incoming class:
http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Sports/Content/Pages/mbk5-18-11.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on May 23, 2011, 12:48:26 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on May 21, 2011, 11:33:02 AM
WUSTL announced its incoming class:
http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Sports/Content/Pages/mbk5-18-11.aspx


Can the Lacob Center be far behind?  (Just Kidding)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on May 25, 2011, 07:08:00 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on May 23, 2011, 12:48:26 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on May 21, 2011, 11:33:02 AM
WUSTL announced its incoming class:
http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Sports/Content/Pages/mbk5-18-11.aspx


Can the Lacob Center be far behind?  (Just NOT Kidding)

We have all seen the WUSTL athletic center...lol
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 07, 2011, 07:57:08 PM
Speculation from the SCAC FB board with the shakeup:

My contacts (in Cleveland,OH) tell me that the UAA greatly desires to "expand" the conference with 3 "quality institutions" (NOTE: current UAA members play full 9 or 10 game D3 football schedules without requiring that their opponents be mega-graduate institutions).

My take:
I can see the attraction in adding four teams, at least 3 of which sponsor football.  Football and baseball get an AQ, and other sports could schedule division play to lessen travel.  Would UofR return fulltime?


Anyone else heard such speculation?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on June 08, 2011, 06:08:21 AM
I really can't imagine UofR leaving the Liberty League to play football in the UAA.  Travel now is pretty much within NY against quality institutions (Hobart, Union, RPI etc) and the UAA travel would be  a killer. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on June 08, 2011, 07:00:29 PM
Right.  And keep in mind you have to buy a lot more plane tickets for football.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on June 19, 2011, 09:29:01 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on June 07, 2011, 07:57:08 PM
My contacts (in Cleveland,OH) tell me that the UAA greatly desires to "expand" the conference with 3 "quality institutions" (NOTE: current UAA members play full 9 or 10 game D3 football schedules without requiring that their opponents be mega-graduate institutions).

There may be some interest in doing something to make football scheduling easier but there is no interest in expanding the UAA.  Here is the complete list of schools that could join the UAA: MIT, Johns Hopkins and maybe Tufts.  I say maybe Tufts because it is not a member of the AAU. (http://www.aau.edu/) Tufts is a research university but not a comprehensive one - it does a lot in biomedical, little elsewhere.  Emory was not a member of the AAU when the UAA was formed - it joined in 1995.  But I do not think Tufts would meet the criteria for AAU membership. 

CalTech is a member of the AAU but it is too small to be competitive (913 undergrads) and too far away.  The UAA is all about "peer institutions".  The NESCAC schools are not peers - they are elite liberal arts colleges.  The UAA was started by Wash U and Chicago because they did not like being associated with the SLIAC and the Midwest Conference.  This is not just about sports.  It is how the schools brand themselves.  And one way they brand themselves is by the company they keep.  When you think about the UAA, that is what you need to keep in mind.  Sports are secondary.  The money spent on travel is part of the recruiting budget - not for athletes, but for the entire student body.  It is advertising. 

Only 15% of Chicago's students are from Illinois, 32% from the Midwest.  It, like all UAA schools, regards itself as a national (and international) institution.  For people who do not know about a UAA school, an easy way to identify it  is by referencing its peer institutions.  It is also about a far flung alumni network.  Chicago stages alumni events in conjunction with away basketball games.  I think the other schools also do this. 

The AAU requirement is not trivial.  Only two athletic conferences have all their members also AAU members - the Big Ten and the UAA.  And the Big Ten is still tied to Chicago through the CIC. (http://www.cic.net/Home.aspx) When the Big Ten was looking to add a 12th member (no one said they could count), I laughed when people suggested schools like Louisville or Kentucky.  No way.  The Big Ten is even snobbier on this than the UAA.

Note the Ivy League falls short on this because of Dartmouth - which is more like a big NESCAC school (4,200 undergrads). 

If MIT, Hopkins or Tufts approached the UAA about joining, you would see some action.  But those schools are happy with their current situations.  For the UAA, there are no other prospective members.  The UAA will look at football deals, like with the NCAC.  I don't think having an AQ is all that important.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on June 20, 2011, 12:40:29 AM
Agree completely with you martin. Excellent commentary.

(Based on my conversations with staffs of UAA universities, they had always wanted MIT in the conference, but couldnt make it work out.)

Glad this came up, as I mentioned the AAU membership on the SLIAC women's board as a semi-trivia comment/question just a little while back during this off-season http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=765.1440
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: David Collinge on June 20, 2011, 08:07:46 AM
Quote from: martin on June 19, 2011, 09:29:01 PMWhen the Big Ten was looking to add a 12th member (no one said they could count), I laughed when people suggested schools like Louisville or Kentucky.  No way.  The Big Ten is even snobbier on this than the UAA.

I don't see Nebraska on the membership list (http://www.aau.edu/about/article.aspx?id=5476), somewhat to my surprise.

Several years ago, when Tulane was ostensibly considering a move to Div. III, I thought they'd be an excellent addition to the UAA.  But I don't suppose that they, or any other Div. I AAU school, will ever move.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on June 20, 2011, 12:11:05 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on June 20, 2011, 08:07:46 AM
Quote from: martin on June 19, 2011, 09:29:01 PMWhen the Big Ten was looking to add a 12th member (no one said they could count), I laughed when people suggested schools like Louisville or Kentucky.  No way.  The Big Ten is even snobbier on this than the UAA.

I don't see Nebraska on the membership list (http://www.aau.edu/about/article.aspx?id=5476), somewhat to my surprise.

Nebraska was thrown out of the AAU in April. (http://chronicle.com/article/U-of-Nebraska-Lincoln-Is/127353/?sid=pm&utm_source=pm&utm_medium=en)  This has never been done before.  Some schools have stepped down - including Catholic U.  I think the Big Ten will insist that it correct its shortcomings and get back in.  Maybe the Big Ten should have gone for Missouri - which desperately wanted into the Big Ten.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 20, 2011, 11:43:42 PM
Don't remind me.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on June 26, 2011, 01:46:22 PM
Quote from: martin on June 19, 2011, 09:29:01 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on June 07, 2011, 07:57:08 PM
My contacts (in Cleveland,OH) tell me that the UAA greatly desires to "expand" the conference with 3 "quality institutions" (NOTE: current UAA members play full 9 or 10 game D3 football schedules without requiring that their opponents be mega-graduate institutions).

There may be some interest in doing something to make football scheduling easier but there is no interest in expanding the UAA.  Here is the complete list of schools that could join the UAA: MIT, Johns Hopkins and maybe Tufts.  I say maybe Tufts because it is not a member of the AAU. (http://www.aau.edu/) Tufts is a research university but not a comprehensive one - it does a lot in biomedical, little elsewhere.  Emory was not a member of the AAU when the UAA was formed - it joined in 1995.  But I do not think Tufts would meet the criteria for AAU membership. 

CalTech is a member of the AAU but it is too small to be competitive (913 undergrads) and too far away.  The UAA is all about "peer institutions".  The NESCAC schools are not peers - they are elite liberal arts colleges.  The UAA was started by Wash U and Chicago because they did not like being associated with the SLIAC and the Midwest Conference.  This is not just about sports.  It is how the schools brand themselves.  And one way they brand themselves is by the company they keep.  When you think about the UAA, that is what you need to keep in mind.  Sports are secondary.  The money spent on travel is part of the recruiting budget - not for athletes, but for the entire student body.  It is advertising. 

Only 15% of Chicago's students are from Illinois, 32% from the Midwest.  It, like all UAA schools, regards itself as a national (and international) institution.  For people who do not know about a UAA school, an easy way to identify it  is by referencing its peer institutions.  It is also about a far flung alumni network.  Chicago stages alumni events in conjunction with away basketball games.  I think the other schools also do this. 

The AAU requirement is not trivial.  Only two athletic conferences have all their members also AAU members - the Big Ten and the UAA.  And the Big Ten is still tied to Chicago through the CIC. (http://www.cic.net/Home.aspx) When the Big Ten was looking to add a 12th member (no one said they could count), I laughed when people suggested schools like Louisville or Kentucky.  No way.  The Big Ten is even snobbier on this than the UAA.

Note the Ivy League falls short on this because of Dartmouth - which is more like a big NESCAC school (4,200 undergrads). 

If MIT, Hopkins or Tufts approached the UAA about joining, you would see some action.  But those schools are happy with their current situations.  For the UAA, there are no other prospective members.  The UAA will look at football deals, like with the NCAC.  I don't think having an AQ is all that important.

Hopkins was a member of the UAA not too long ago.  I remember on my son's official visit to UofR we were told that the UAA used to refer to themselves as the "Nerdy Nine" until Hopkins left.  Then they became the "Egghead Eight".
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 27, 2011, 12:54:19 AM
That is correct.

Johns Hopkins was one of the charter UAA members, and was a member when I was in school at Case in the early 1990s.

Given that they left voluntarily, I don't realistically see them coming back.

It'd be nice to add MIT and Tufts.  The UAA would then be the "Technogeek Ten" or some such.

Realistically, I think that it'd be hard for those two schools to foresake their Northeastern rivals and join the UAA, but it'd sure be nice.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 27, 2011, 07:57:10 AM
Even when Hopkins was a member its participation was limited.

The earlier quoted post is incorrect, Emory was an original member.  The Johnny (or Louis) come lately was Brandeis which joined after the others.

From the UAA site:

"On June 25, 1986, the formal announcement of the formation of the University Athletic Association was made simultaneously at press conferences at the New York Hilton Hotel and on the respective campuses of the member institutions. Participating in the announcement were Carnegie Mellon University, Case Western Reserve University, Emory University, Johns Hopkins University, New York University, the University of Chicago, the University of Rochester, and Washington University in St. Louis.

The first official meeting of delegates from each institution was held in the Jay Berwanger Trophy Room at the University of Chicago in September of 1986. During 1986, work on the constitution and bylaws was completed, an administrative plan developed, and athletic schedules drawn for 1987-88 and 1988-89. In May of 1987, Brandeis University, a participant in the original discussions and planning efforts, joined the UAA becoming the ninth member of the Association."
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on July 08, 2011, 05:34:41 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on June 27, 2011, 07:57:10 AM

The earlier quoted post is incorrect, Emory was an original member.  The Johnny (or Louis) come lately was Brandeis which joined after the others.


You are getting your acronyms confused.  I said that Emory was not a member of the AAU (Association of American Universities) at the time of the formation of the UAA (University Athletic Association).  Emory did not become an AAU member until 1995.  Brandeis became an AAU member in 1985, just before the UAA got going.

The other UAA schools and the year of joining the AAU:
Chicago - 1900
Wash U - 1923
Rochester - 1941
NYU - 1950
CWRU - 1969
CMU - 1982


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 09, 2011, 04:22:23 PM
Sorry my mis-read (I've always been a bit dyslexic)  Your reseach debunks the notion of AAU membership being a necessity for UAA membership.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 07, 2011, 03:53:07 PM
Preseason Poll is out, Emory and Rochester tied atop the coaches rankings:

http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Basketball/11-12%20UAA%20BKB%20Preseason.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 13, 2011, 04:27:14 PM
Mike McGrath and the U. of Chicago Maroons recently landed two huge recruits...


http://blogs.suntimes.com/hoopsreport/2011/11/a_true_recruiting_coup.html

http://ilprepbullseye.com/Brooks_Smith_Chicago.html

http://blogs.suntimes.com/hoopsreport/2011/11/signing_day_power_rankings.html

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2011, 09:26:58 PM
Wow!  For the 2015-16 and 2016-17 seasons I call early dibs on UC for the 'Last Undefeated Team' contest! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 15, 2011, 10:36:51 PM
Spartans open with a 73-60 loss to B-W, a team they beat the previous two years.

This year's team is a young one, starting a senior, a junior, a sophomore, and two freshmen.

Last year's freshman point guard has been replaced by freshman Jordan Dean, an all-stater from Florida.  Anderson's replacement is freshman Julien Person (6'7 Houston, TX), who got noticed by ESPN as a potential Ivy recruit: "Person is a long and lean wing that is more athletic than he appears and is aggressive to make plays especially on the offensive end of the floor. person runs the floor well for spot up jumpers or beat the transition defenders to the rim where he finishes pretty well"

Fowler led with 27, but the second leading scorer was freshman forward Dane Mcloughlin, who added 13 from the bench.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 15, 2011, 11:29:05 PM
Wash U way too good for MacMurray. Solid contributions by a couple of freshmen for the Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: (509)Rat on November 20, 2011, 08:57:59 PM
I had the hardest time finding this thread...anyways, Whitworth beat Wash U tonight 88-66, they led by as much as 33 in the second half.

Here's the box score http://www.whitworth.edu/Athletics/Teams/BasketballMen/Statistics/11-12/HTML/m2-washu.htm (http://www.whitworth.edu/Athletics/Teams/BasketballMen/Statistics/11-12/HTML/m2-washu.htm)

Whitworth played great defense, holding Wash U to 30% FG and 20% from 3-pt range. It couldn't have hurt that Wash U doesn't have experience shooting in "The Fieldhouse", a tough place to gauge depth with all the space between the hoop and the walls.

This Wash U team is nowhere near as good as the 07 final four team I saw (the last time these two met I believe), but I'd be interested to see what some UAA fans have to say about this year's team?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 20, 2011, 09:10:56 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on November 20, 2011, 08:57:59 PM
I had the hardest time finding this thread...anyways, Whitworth beat Wash U tonight 88-66, they led by as much as 33 in the second half.

Here's the box score http://www.whitworth.edu/Athletics/Teams/BasketballMen/Statistics/11-12/HTML/m2-washu.htm (http://www.whitworth.edu/Athletics/Teams/BasketballMen/Statistics/11-12/HTML/m2-washu.htm)

Whitworth played great defense, holding Wash U to 30% FG and 20% from 3-pt range. It couldn't have hurt that Wash U doesn't have experience shooting in "The Fieldhouse", a tough place to gauge depth with all the space between the hoop and the walls.

This Wash U team is nowhere near as good as the 07 final four team I saw (the last time these two met I believe), but I'd be interested to see what some UAA fans have to say about this year's team?

For what it's worth, they were a 13-12 team last year, picked to finish 3rd in the UAA this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: (509)Rat on November 20, 2011, 10:21:42 PM
Thanks,

That's kinda what I figured, but the UAA is a tough league year in year out no? Or is their just a big drop off after Rochester and Emory?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on November 20, 2011, 11:30:11 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on November 20, 2011, 10:21:42 PM
Thanks,

That's kinda what I figured, but the UAA is a tough league year in year out no? Or is their just a big drop off after Rochester and Emory?

Usually the UAA is very tough, but I would say the league has been down a bit for the past couple (2 maybe) years relative to its prime. At its prime, Brandeis, UR, Chicago, and WUSTL were tourney teams (someone correct me if I'm wrong this is based off of memory) and the NYU's and CMU's weren't rolling over easily either. There was (3 or 4 years ago) always fun talk about having a UAA-NESCAC challenge because both of those leagues were top to bottom two of the best in D3. Based on what I saw last year, a pretty big drop off from UR/Emory to the rest of the league. Although note that Emory has only recently been on the upward trend as a program (without looking it up, new coaching staff I believe).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 21, 2011, 05:31:19 AM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on November 20, 2011, 11:30:11 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on November 20, 2011, 10:21:42 PM
Thanks,

That's kinda what I figured, but the UAA is a tough league year in year out no? Or is their just a big drop off after Rochester and Emory?

Usually the UAA is very tough, but I would say the league has been down a bit for the past couple (2 maybe) years relative to its prime. At its prime, Brandeis, UR, Chicago, and WUSTL were tourney teams (someone correct me if I'm wrong this is based off of memory) and the NYU's and CMU's weren't rolling over easily either. There was (3 or 4 years ago) always fun talk about having a UAA-NESCAC challenge because both of those leagues were top to bottom two of the best in D3. Based on what I saw last year, a pretty big drop off from UR/Emory to the rest of the league. Although note that Emory has only recently been on the upward trend as a program (without looking it up, new coaching staff I believe).

07-08 saw UR Brandies and Wash U in the top 10 most of the year, with UR and Brandies 1 and 2 for several weeks.  Made for some pretty intense games.  And Wash U ended the season #1
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 21, 2011, 07:48:01 AM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on November 20, 2011, 11:30:11 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on November 20, 2011, 10:21:42 PM
Thanks,

That's kinda what I figured, but the UAA is a tough league year in year out no? Or is their just a big drop off after Rochester and Emory?

Usually the UAA is very tough, but I would say the league has been down a bit for the past couple (2 maybe) years relative to its prime. At its prime, Brandeis, UR, Chicago, and WUSTL were tourney teams (someone correct me if I'm wrong this is based off of memory) and the NYU's and CMU's weren't rolling over easily either. There was (3 or 4 years ago) always fun talk about having a UAA-NESCAC challenge because both of those leagues were top to bottom two of the best in D3. Based on what I saw last year, a pretty big drop off from UR/Emory to the rest of the league. Although note that Emory has only recently been on the upward trend as a program (without looking it up, new coaching staff I believe).

Just to go along with what you said. Prior to the past 2 years (the 5 year span of the 05-09 seasons), CMU made the NCAA tournament twice, including one conference championship, and won at least 19 games in 4 of those 5 years (including making the postseason all 5 years in that span, if you count the ECAC).  Since that time, things have gone south real quick, as it has for the UAA for the most part.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 27, 2011, 04:11:25 PM
Not sure if this has been posted somewhere, but it's a nice story about UofR senior Nate Novosel and his sister.


http://espn.go.com/womens-college-basketball/preview2011/story/_/id/7201899/twin-brother-helps-natalie-novosel-success
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: scottiedoug on November 27, 2011, 11:20:11 PM
I saw Emory beat Maryville today at Maryville.  The Eagles have lots of offensive weapons, are well-coached, and played hard.  Looked like a serious team to me.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 03, 2011, 02:41:53 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on November 27, 2011, 04:11:25 PM
Not sure if this has been posted somewhere, but it's a nice story about UofR senior Nate Novosel and his sister.

http://espn.go.com/womens-college-basketball/preview2011/story/_/id/7201899/twin-brother-helps-natalie-novosel-success

That is a great story.  Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 03, 2011, 02:50:10 PM
Washington University matched up well with the fast paced, pressure defense of Whittier in the Lopata Classic to get a shot at No. 1 Augustana tonight in the Field House.

Alex Toth thrives in these games, finishing with 15 points and 10 rebounds.  Richter, good.  Had my first look at freshman Brayden Teuscher in his best game so far.  23 points on 7-11 shooting.  Nick Burt had an impressive 12 minutes of play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 03, 2011, 03:27:57 PM
One interesting tidbit from the Lopata Classic program: the 2012 Lopata Classic participants are listed as Trinity (TX), Tufts and Chicago.  Interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 03, 2011, 08:53:00 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 03, 2011, 03:27:57 PM
One interesting tidbit from the Lopata Classic program: the 2012 Lopata Classic participants are listed as Trinity (TX), Tufts and Chicago.  Interesting.

They might play it in the Classic format instead of a tournament format with pre-set matchups so WashU won't face Chicago... I believe that occurred another year when only two other teams were invited to WashU. Just a possibility.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 03, 2011, 11:23:54 PM
Washington University defeats No. 1 Augustana to take the Lopata Classic.  Dylan Richter is named tournament MVP with Brayden Teusher getting all-team honors.  Great weekend for both players. 

Augustana is a great team, but we were better tonight.  I imagine this may be the game of a lifetime for Richter who finished with 27 points including a free throw at the end to push the margin to three. 

Lots of credit to go around in a team effort, but this team has to get better at free throws.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 03, 2011, 11:45:53 PM
It's the curse of being ranked #1 and having to play a good team. Happened to Virginia Wesleyan, now Augie. Who will be next?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 12, 2011, 05:15:22 PM
There is very little to be said that has not already been said in the CCIW thread about the Washington University win over No. 17 Wheaton College.  I am a little surprised that two of the best games I have seen at the Field House involved only one player, Alex Toth, from the national championship team (Dylan Richer played but did not finish the season).  Incidentally, Toth looks far more fit than ever before and seems to be saving his best for last.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 04, 2012, 08:09:01 PM
Been mighty quiet here.  UAA play begins this weekend.

Here are the non-conference results:


Emory  0-0  11-0 1.000
New York U.  0-0  9-0 1.000
Rochester  0-0  9-2 0.818
Case Western Reserve  0-0  8-3 0.727
Washington (Mo.)  0-0  8-3 0.727
Chicago  0-0  7-4 0.636
Brandeis  0-0  6-5 0.545
Carnegie Mellon  0-0  5-6 0.455

Realistically CWRU's wins have been against mediocre competition.  And they are a young team with two starters and the sixth man being freshmen.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 05, 2012, 08:39:11 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on January 04, 2012, 08:09:01 PM
Been mighty quiet here.  UAA play begins this weekend.

Here are the non-conference results:


Emory  0-0  11-0 1.000
New York U.  0-0  9-0 1.000
Rochester  0-0  9-2 0.818
Case Western Reserve  0-0  8-3 0.727
Washington (Mo.)  0-0  8-3 0.727
Chicago  0-0  7-4 0.636
Brandeis  0-0  6-5 0.545
Carnegie Mellon  0-0  5-6 0.455

Realistically CWRU's wins have been against mediocre competition.  And they are a young team with two starters and the sixth man being freshmen.

I think the same can be said about NYU, which would explain why an undefeated team gets 0 votes in the top 25 poll.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on January 05, 2012, 10:04:45 PM
NYU has historically had a weak non-con. No surprise there.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: 7express on January 06, 2012, 02:41:16 AM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on January 05, 2012, 10:04:45 PM
NYU has historically had a weak non-con. No surprise there.


I was just gonna say NYU normally feasts on cupcakes in their non UAA portion of the schedule, no surprise they have no votes.  They get Brandeis, Emory and Rochester are all home the next 2 weeks, so a chance for them to at least get some votes with 3 wins (against 1 team in the top 15 and 1 in the ORV category).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 06, 2012, 12:24:19 PM
Quote from: 7express on January 06, 2012, 02:41:16 AM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on January 05, 2012, 10:04:45 PM
NYU has historically had a weak non-con. No surprise there.


I was just gonna say NYU normally feasts on cupcakes in their non UAA portion of the schedule, no surprise they have no votes.  They get Brandeis, Emory and Rochester are all home the next 2 weeks, so a chance for them to at least get some votes with 3 wins (against 1 team in the top 15 and 1 in the ORV category).

It's always surprised me that NYU doesn't have a better out of conference schedule.  I get that they don't want to travel but it seems like they could find decent competition in the metro area.  Do they host a tournament?  I think that's how Rochester manages at least a decent SOS.  They host 2 tournament plus play in the Wnedy's Classic. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: 7express on January 06, 2012, 12:36:08 PM
Yah, I think they host a tournament right around New Years, but none of the teams are any good: this year's tournament field included Clarkson (7-2), Regis (3-7) and Haverford (3-8).   They also hosted another one the first weekend with Baruch (8-6), TCNJ (6-5), and Colby (4-7) so likewise the teams weren't any good.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on January 06, 2012, 02:29:14 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 06, 2012, 12:24:19 PM
Quote from: 7express on January 06, 2012, 02:41:16 AM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on January 05, 2012, 10:04:45 PM
NYU has historically had a weak non-con. No surprise there.


I was just gonna say NYU normally feasts on cupcakes in their non UAA portion of the schedule, no surprise they have no votes.  They get Brandeis, Emory and Rochester are all home the next 2 weeks, so a chance for them to at least get some votes with 3 wins (against 1 team in the top 15 and 1 in the ORV category).

It's always surprised me that NYU doesn't have a better out of conference schedule.  I get that they don't want to travel but it seems like they could find decent competition in the metro area.  Do they host a tournament?  I think that's how Rochester manages at least a decent SOS.  They host 2 tournament plus play in the Wnedy's Classic.

On the other hand, I can see the reasoning for NYU scheduling weak (not that I agree with it)... rack up the in-region wins, finish in the top half of the pack in the UAA, and basically stamp your ticket to the NCAAs. If you don't get enough wins in conference, then you still play in that postseason ECAC thing. On the NYU women's side, they have historically done the same thing (CWRE men historically schedule weak OOC as well). Not a fan, but it kind of makes sense in terms of taking advantage of the multiregional dimension of the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 06, 2012, 02:34:40 PM
I was going to say -- it hasn't worked if getting an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament is the only consideration. That may have worked when the Atlantic and East each got eight tournament bids in 1995 and 1996 but that's long, long ago now.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 09, 2012, 12:23:52 AM
The UAA thread has been unusually quiet and that is saying something.  I had a chance to watch Washington University defeat Chicago 79-72 in a hard fought and entertaining contest. 

Interesting game for Matt Johnson who was faster than I had ever seen him but could not seem to handle the ball.  It did not stop him from scoring or moving the ball in the first half, but he struggled, thanks in large part to Tim Cooney, to get good looks in the second and had a costly late game turnover.

Chicago seemed to concede a little early too.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: shotdr on January 09, 2012, 07:44:18 AM

WUH, why do you think this thread has been quiet?
The midwest and particularly the CCIW seems to get a lot of traffic.
And it was a nice win for the Bears on Saturday.  Lots of players contributing right now.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2012, 08:53:03 AM
I'll take part of the blame shotdr....  in the past, WUH and I have fed off each other's comments to keep discussion about Wash u a little livelier....  unfortunately this year, due to several circumstances, I've only had the time to concentrate on the SLIAC room, an area that gets less attention than the UAA room....  I've only seen Wash U once this year...hopefully I'll get over there to see a couple of games soon....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: shotdr on January 09, 2012, 09:43:29 AM
thanks hope fan.  I have been an observer for quite awhile, and have enjoyed the discourse that I see on this board.  It has been refreshing to see the spirit that people post with despite being rivals.  can't say the same for other boards I have participated in.  I'm a new follower of the UAA as I have some sons being recruited by schools in the conference.  trying to learn what I can from those of you with years of experience with the programs.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 09, 2012, 11:35:08 AM
Quote from: shotdr on January 09, 2012, 09:43:29 AM
thanks hope fan.  I have been an observer for quite awhile, and have enjoyed the discourse that I see on this board.  It has been refreshing to see the spirit that people post with despite being rivals.  can't say the same for other boards I have participated in.  I'm a new follower of the UAA as I have some sons being recruited by schools in the conference.  trying to learn what I can from   of you with years of experience with the programs.


There is a lot of positives when considering a UAA school.  It may be overworn, but the belief that a kid should chose a school based not on athletics, but on where they want to be even if they weren't playing a sport, is truer that most kids want to believe.  When our son was deciding which was the best fit, we told him to choose the place he wanted to be if he broke his ankle and couldn't play.  He did, then proceeded to tear up his ankle sophomore year, ending his career.  But he was in the right situation, graduated in May and started his job the next day.  not sure it would have worked that way at UNE, Dickenson, Hartwick, Wesleyan or any of the other schools he considered.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on January 09, 2012, 12:11:51 PM
I have to agree, I played at a UAA school as an undergrad (CMU) not so long ago, which allowed me to choose to go wherever I wanted for my PhD.  The traveling aspect of the UAA is also fun.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 09, 2012, 12:31:24 PM
Quote from: Hugenerd on January 09, 2012, 12:11:51 PM
I have to agree, I played at a UAA school as an undergrad (CMU) not so long ago, which allowed me to choose to go wherever I wanted for my PhD.  The traveling aspect of the UAA is also fun.

Yeah...not so much for parents.   ;D

How's this for travel.  Nate Novosel at UofR has a twin sister who stars at Notre Dame.  And when they were freshmen, I believe they had an older sister that played at Evansville.  The family is from Louisville and they tried to make as many games as they could.  Not sure how well they managed over the course of 4 years.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on January 09, 2012, 10:56:40 PM
Interview with head coach Mark Edwards prior to the Bears roadtrip to Case Western Reserve and Carnegie Mellon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhjF3dumsxw&list=UUvSXLgTosHEa3OFiAv1Aygw&index=1&feature=plcp
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: 7express on January 09, 2012, 11:27:14 PM
West Conn is up @ Plymouth state Saturday, so I'm gonna drop by the Brandeis vs. Rochester game Friday on the way up, and Brandeis Emory game Sunday on the way back home.  Looking forward to see Emory in person Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 10, 2012, 09:16:44 AM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 09, 2012, 11:35:08 AM
There is a lot of positives when considering a UAA school.  It may be overworn, but the belief that a kid should chose a school based not on athletics, but on where they want to be even if they weren't playing a sport, is truer that most kids want to believe.  When our son was deciding which was the best fit, we told him to choose the place he wanted to be if he broke his ankle and couldn't play.  He did, then proceeded to tear up his ankle sophomore year, ending his career.  But he was in the right situation, graduated in May and started his job the next day.  not sure it would have worked that way at UNE, Dickenson, Hartwick, Wesleyan or any of the other schools he considered.

Thanks for sharing your family story. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 10, 2012, 09:18:20 AM
Quote from: 7express on January 09, 2012, 11:27:14 PM
West Conn is up @ Plymouth state Saturday, so I'm gonna drop by the Brandeis vs. Rochester game Friday on the way up, and Brandeis Emory game Sunday on the way back home.  Looking forward to see Emory in person Sunday.

That is my kind of weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 10, 2012, 09:44:57 AM
Quote from: shotdr on January 09, 2012, 07:44:18 AM
The midwest and particularly the CCIW seems to get a lot of traffic.
And it was a nice win for the Bears on Saturday.  Lots of players contributing right now.

Our conference will never come close to the CCIW in terms of fan support.  I am blown away by how many Illinois Wesleyan fans, for example, will travel for Women's Soccer.  But as a fan, I love the UAA.

It is true about the depth of the contributions from the Bears squad.  It is like nothing I have ever seen because I started following during the Ruth, Nading, Smith, Thompson, Wallis days but this team is so fun to watch.  Richter in particular has proven that his name deserves to be included among the best.  But the team is getting good minutes from many players and getting the job done unlike last year where they would play well and then go for long stretches without a basket.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 14, 2012, 12:28:30 PM
Did not expect to wake up this morning to see Brandeis and WUSTL leading the league very early in conference play, but NYU knocked off No. 4 Emory 89-73 at the Palladium.

Washington    2-0    10-3    
Brandeis       2-0    8-5
Emory       1-1    12-1    
New York       1-1    11-1    
Chicago       1-1    8-5    
Carnegie Mellon    1-1    6-7    
Rochester       0-2    9-4    
Case Western     0-2    8-5
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 21, 2012, 12:31:42 PM
Looks like someone cracked the code of Brandeis' 3-point shooting.  After Emory held the Judges to 3-of-14 shooting last Sunday beyond the arc, Wash-U held them to 2-of-20 last night in an 80-54 win.  Bears were 8-of-15, but more importantly shot a season-high 56% from the field and tallied 25 assists on 31 baskets.  Dylan Richter had 17 points, and Alan Aboona added 16.  Brayden Teuscher had 9 points and 7 assists.  Ben Bartoldus was the only player in double figures for Brandeis with 15 points.

Wash-U will have its hands full with NYU tomorrow at high noon.  NYU won at Chicago 81-71 last night...Violets blitzed the Maroons with an 13-2 burst in the first 7 1/2 minutes of the game, then used a 21-9 surge in the first 5 1/2 minutes of the 2nd half en route to an 18-point lead.  Kyle Stockmal poured in 26 points for NYU on 8-10 shooting and 7-8 from 3-point range.  Ryan Tana and Carl Yaffe each had 18 points for the Violets.  Steve Stefanou led Chicago with 19 points, and Matt Johnson had 14.

In the other men's games in the UAA:  Emory won at home 83-68 over Carnegie-Mellon.  Alex Greven with 22 points led the Eagles, followed by Austin Claunch and Jake Davis with 19 each.  Emory shot 38% from the floor and only 4-17 from 3-point land, but it outscored the Tartans 27-11 from the free-throw line.  Christian Manoli tallied 18 points to lead Carnegie-Mellon.

And, Rochester defeated Case-Western Reserve 86-68 in upper New York.  Nate Novesel led 4 Yellowjackets in double-figures with 23 points.  Julien Person led Case with 18 points.  Both teams shot the ball well:  Rochester 53%, Case 51%.  However, Case had 18 turnovers to Rochester's 6...and that led to a 28-2 advantage for Rochester in points-from-turnovers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on January 22, 2012, 01:15:30 AM
Great recap on all four games jaybird44. Should be some good games on Sunday. Looking forward to reading your recaps.
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Post by: WUPHF on January 28, 2012, 02:09:14 PM
Yet another fun Friday night in the UAA.  Chicago upsets Emory 103-102 on a Matt Johnson buzzer beater from three point range, the last of his school record 49 points.  All in regulation.  If I am Emory (or any other UAA team), Johnson is the last one I want taking that shot.  7-10 Carnegie Mellon upsets New York 70-68.  Brandeis got the overtime win over Case Western.  And, Washington University in again on top of the conference after a 83-78 win over Rochester.  Congratulations to Ben Hoener who came off the bench to help halt a 14-2 Rochester run and ended up with a career high 20 points in what was the best game I have ever seen him play.


Chicago Buzzer Beater
http://athletics.uchicago.edu/news-2011-12/mbk-emory-012712.htm
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 29, 2012, 12:46:35 PM
Looks like the Brandeis 3 point shooters got their groove back vs Carnegie Mellon -- 46-21, 'Deis rolling at the half.

Emory win combined with NYU, Brandeis wins would create a 4 way tie at the top .... fun!


Quote from: jaybird44 on January 21, 2012, 12:31:42 PM
Looks like someone cracked the code of Brandeis' 3-point shooting.  After Emory held the Judges to 3-of-14 shooting last Sunday beyond the arc, Wash-U held them to 2-of-20 last night in an 80-54 win.  Bears were 8-of-15, but more importantly shot a season-high 56% from the field and tallied 25 assists on 31 baskets.  Dylan Richter had 17 points, and Alan Aboona added 16.  Brayden Teuscher had 9 points and 7 assists.  Ben Bartoldus was the only player in double figures for Brandeis with 15 points.

Wash-U will have its hands full with NYU tomorrow at high noon.  NYU won at Chicago 81-71 last night...Violets blitzed the Maroons with an 13-2 burst in the first 7 1/2 minutes of the game, then used a 21-9 surge in the first 5 1/2 minutes of the 2nd half en route to an 18-point lead.  Kyle Stockmal poured in 26 points for NYU on 8-10 shooting and 7-8 from 3-point range.  Ryan Tana and Carl Yaffe each had 18 points for the Violets.  Steve Stefanou led Chicago with 19 points, and Matt Johnson had 14.

In the other men's games in the UAA:  Emory won at home 83-68 over Carnegie-Mellon.  Alex Greven with 22 points led the Eagles, followed by Austin Claunch and Jake Davis with 19 each.  Emory shot 38% from the floor and only 4-17 from 3-point land, but it outscored the Tartans 27-11 from the free-throw line.  Christian Manoli tallied 18 points to lead Carnegie-Mellon.

And, Rochester defeated Case-Western Reserve 86-68 in upper New York.  Nate Novesel led 4 Yellowjackets in double-figures with 23 points.  Julien Person led Case with 18 points.  Both teams shot the ball well:  Rochester 53%, Case 51%.  However, Case had 18 turnovers to Rochester's 6...and that led to a 28-2 advantage for Rochester in points-from-turnovers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 29, 2012, 01:41:07 PM
Washington University leads Emory 46-33 at the half.  21 on the Richter scale. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 29, 2012, 02:01:49 PM
I have never seen a Washington University team with so many options and the need to use them.  Emory is playing a live by the 5, die by the 5 game.  No. 5 Austin Claunch.  Richter with 30.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 29, 2012, 02:56:56 PM
Washington University upsets No. 4 Emory.  The Eagles shoot themselves back in to the game from three point range but run out of time.  Richter finishes the game with 33.  Matt Palucki with 19.  The Bears had 52 rebounds compared to 31 for the Eagles.

Austin Claunch did end up leading the Eagles with 23 points on 8-16 shooting.

The Bears hold on to the lead in the UAA race with the second, more challenging half of the conference season beginning next week.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on January 29, 2012, 03:12:40 PM
Good weekend for the Bears.  Matt Johnson has an 85 (49/36) point weekend for the Maroons who also win two this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Violet_Nation on February 07, 2012, 12:10:51 AM
I have to say I'm disappointed in to see the UAA discussion so dead where I see in years past it has been so lively! I felt compelled to throw my hat in the ring here as my Violets are in the heat of the UAA race. This past weekend was big for NYU, taking care of business against this year's cellar dwellers Carnegie and Case, and sunday's game wasn't as close as the 98-85 final score might indicate, as Junior forward Carl Yaffe poured in 36.   This next road weekend facing Emory and Rochester will be a challenge as the key appears to be containing the point guards in Austin Claunch and John DiBartolomeo.  When NYU met these teams at Coles, sophomore guard Ryan Tana did just a super job, holding Claunch to 5-19 shooting and forcing him to turn the ball over 7 times, and on Sunday holding DiBartolomeo to 3-12  shooting. If the Violets can pull off the road victory this Friday, it will effectively knock Emory out of the UAA hunt.

Now WashU gets to face Case/Carnegie at home, and while I expect them to take care of business, I also wouldn't be surprised to see Carnegie hand someone a key loss one of these next two weekends.  They are improving, as evidenced both by their defeat of the Violets as well as their OT loss to Brandeis in a game they played without Rashaun Riley, who, along with fellow sophomore guard Asad Meghani, has improved greatly since their Freshmen seasons, in my estimation.

As far as Brandeis, facing the same opponents as NYU this weekend, it seems to me they need a split at the very least, as I can't imagine the UAA champion will finish with any worse than a 10-4 record, but this season seems so wide open who even knows?

So that is essentially my thoughts on the current state of the conference, I would love to hear any thoughts/reactions, in any case I'm getting ahead of myself discussing this weekend, as NYU still needs to close out its non-con schedule tomorrow evening vs. New Paltz.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 07, 2012, 11:22:54 AM
Tana is a pest; he has the lateral quickness to pose problems for those guards.  Wash-U was able to hold DiBarotolmeo down in the 1st half of its home game with Rochester, en route to a win.  But Johnny-D scorched the Bears at his place.  Claunch was also hard to handle in the two games against Emory.

Carnegie has been knocking on the upset door for several weeks.  Case is also a team that has improved its scoring in the last 4 games...82.5 ppg compared with a season average of 73, 47% from 3-point range compared to 40% for the season, and the Spartans are averaging 8 treys per game in their last 4. 

In fact, what has gotten into the UAA as a whole?  in the last two weekends especially, scores are regularly in the 90s for the victors and 80s for the vanquished.  Talk about a Throwback Weekend or Month...players are getting in touch with their inner Pete Maravich, Rick Barry, George Gervin, and Oscar Robertson.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 10, 2012, 11:31:41 PM
Washington University defeats Case Western 78-60 in a game full of turnovers and technical fouls.  Three technicals, all called on Case Western.  Chris Klimek finished with 17 to lead the Bears who struggled offensively in the first half along with Case and went in to the locker room with a one point deficit.  Dylan Richter finishes with 15, just under his season average of 17.  Richter was honored before the game for reaching 1,000 points last weekend.

One of the more interesting technicals was called on freshman Julien Person who had knocked down a three-pointer on the previous possession and pumped his fist.  On the next possession, Person shoots over the defender to get his second three and give the team some much needed momentum.  No gestures, as far as I could tell, but he did face the defender and must have said something.

The win, along with a 73-70 home win by Emory over New York University, gives Washington University a one game lead in the conference with NYU on the road next Sunday.

Rochester over Brandeis 76-61 and Chicago over Carnegie Mellon 77-75 in overtime.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 11, 2012, 11:44:33 AM
The Bears have to be careful and not stub their toes (claws) on Carnegie.  Tartans only lost by 2 to the Bears earlier this season, and Carnegie has beaten NYU and gone to overtime a few times with their opponents.  Plus, the Bears slumbered through the first half of last night's game before posting 52 points in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 11, 2012, 07:50:01 PM
Very exciting game at Ratner last night. I spent the first thirty minutes wondering how in the world Chicago managed to beat Carnegie Mellon by 45 points in Pitteburgh a few weeks ago. The Tartans were clearly in control of the game, as their halfcourt traps and their constant double-teams of Matt Johnson were playing havoc with the Maroons offense. But then the Tartans got more passive defensively, the Maroons started to do a much better job of rotating the ball around to find the open man (who was often right underneath the basket), and a 13-0 run erased a 48-35 CMU lead and made it a close game the rest of the way. In OT Johnson hit one of his patented big treys, and even though Chicago's repeated misfires at the FT line and Asad Meghani's desperation shots kept it close, in the end the Maroons eked out the win. Fun game to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: scottiedawg on February 12, 2012, 02:05:54 PM
NYU loses to Rochester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 12, 2012, 03:34:43 PM
Washington University gets the 88-79 win to take a two game lead with three games left in the conference.  At 9-2, the Bears are followed by 7-4 New York and 7-4 Emory in second place.  Emory has arguably the easiest schedule of the three with Carnegie, Case, and Rochester all at home while New York has Chicago and Washington University at home and Brandeis on the road.

Three point shooting allowed Carnegie to stay in the game, but the Tartans had no answers for Chris Klimek and Alex Toth who had a particularly strong final regular season home game before fouling out late in the game.  Tim Cooney, who is barely behind Toth in fouls on the season, had a particularly strong showing as well.

We decided today to road trip to Chicago in two weeks.  This team is just too much fun to watch to miss a driveable game.  Who else is in?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 12, 2012, 03:59:56 PM
Correction: Emory has Carnegie, Case and Rochester on the road.  Emory edged Rochester at home by two to start conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on February 12, 2012, 04:38:07 PM
Looking forward to seeing Wash.U.-NYU in person next weekend, as the game now appears to have serious title implications. In fact, assuming Wash.U. wins at Deis on Friday (hardly a safe assumption), would not a win over the Violets give them the championship outright? Or am I missing something?

Anyway, very excited to see the 2011-2012 Bears live, as I haven't done so in two years. There is a Wash.U alumni event at the Coles Center and those always draw a ton of WUSTL people, so I'd imagine fans of the Red and Green might even create a home court advantage here in the Big Apple. Some fan bases travel well; ours just relocates well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 12, 2012, 05:25:27 PM
Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 12, 2012, 04:38:07 PM
...would not a win over the Violets give them the championship outright? Or am I missing something?

A win over New York on Sunday would give them the championship outright no matter what happens against Brandeis and Chicago as the only team that could get to 10 wins under that scenario would be Emory and the Bears are 2-0 against the Eagles this season.

EDIT: I have no idea what I was thinking yesterday, but it usually takes me a few times to get it somewhere close to right.  Apparently, I should not be left alone on this board as I am prone to simple mistakes.  Washington University needs to either: 1) win at New York, as it holds the head to head with Emory; or 2) win at Brandeis and Chicago to get to 11 wins.

Quote from: Marty Peretz on February 12, 2012, 04:38:07 PM
Anyway, very excited to see the 2011-2012 Bears live, as I haven't done so in two years.

EDIT: Let me try that again. To shamelessly quote another New Yorker and famous Washington University alum:you are going to like the way they look, I guarantee it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 12, 2012, 05:36:03 PM
UAA Championship Tiebreaker Scenarios

If a champion cannot be determined by won-loss percentage, co-champions shall be declared
and the representative to NCAA post-season competition determined by the following criteria,
applied to regularly-scheduled Association games:

1) Best record in head-to-head UAA competition between the co-champions;
2) Best record in head-to-head UAA competition between the co-champions and the
subsequent finishers until a representative is determined;
3) Best record in UAA road games;
4) If this process fails to determine a representative, the representative to NCAA post-season
competition shall be determined by a coin flip administered by the Executive Secretary.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 18, 2012, 08:28:52 AM
Wow!!! Three upsets last night:  CWRU 76 UR 73     Brandeis 79 WUStL 69    CMU 82 Emory 79
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 18, 2012, 09:47:26 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on February 18, 2012, 08:28:52 AM
Wow!!! Three upsets last night:  CWRU 76 UR 73     Brandeis 79 WUStL 69    CMU 82 Emory 79

Can't believe the Judges still have a chance at the conference title, as the only contender to play their last two games at home (Chicago, NYU), Wash U has NYU and Chicago on the road, no givens, NYU comes to 'Deis and Emory goes to Rochester, so if the home team won in each of these games, they would take it by head to head vs NYU. Strange year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2012, 12:21:17 PM
All games have tipped but no video or audio for the big game in New York.  22-18 as we approach the midway point of the first half.  18-16 in Boston.  Emory leads Case Western 29-16.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2012, 12:43:59 PM
Chicago leads Brandeis 40-30 at the half.  Matt Johnson with 12 points.  Washington leads New York 46-40
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2012, 01:48:29 PM
Another title in the books.  Go Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2012, 06:12:57 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 19, 2012, 12:21:17 PM
All games have tipped but no video or audio for the big game in New York.  22-18 as we approach the midway point of the first half.  18-16 in Boston.  Emory leads Case Western 29-16.
Strange - because I watched the game on video today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on February 19, 2012, 06:26:53 PM
I watched the Wash U @ NYU game too.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2012, 08:40:15 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2012, 06:12:57 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 19, 2012, 12:21:17 PM
All games have tipped but no video or audio for the big game in New York.  22-18 as we approach the midway point of the first half.  18-16 in Boston.  Emory leads Case Western 29-16.

Strange - because I watched the game on video today.

Good. Great. Helpful.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: toooldtohoop on February 19, 2012, 08:45:51 PM
tried live stats of that game and could not get info for second half.  this is all new to me....so please extend a little grace for my questions....but in the year 2012, why are the video feeds so poor most of the time, and what are the complications that seem to occur frequently with the stats? 

I'm really not complaining, I'm really curious.  What are the complications?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2012, 09:50:46 PM
I heard the broadcaster say he was struggling with live stats as well tonight... so, not sure what was going on.

But to try and answer your question... there are so many factors in play, especially with video streaming. First and foremost, if the college or the IT department isn't able to give the necessary resources to provide enough bandwidth and such... it will always be difficult to provide a clean feed without issues. There is also costs in mind. I know a school that spend $4500 on just a package to include multiple cameras, the computer, and everything else just to stream games. That money isn't just floating around many schools. Even the basics can be a challenge financially... especially if you are adding audio.

At the same time... the end-user can have their own issues... if your computer is old, your internet connection weak, whatever the reason... that can hurt.

Technology is great... but that doesn't mean it is fool-proof or perfect.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: toooldtohoop on February 19, 2012, 10:54:44 PM
I understand the different levels of complexity....but my hardware is new and good....live stats were down all over the place...video quality is often really bad, bad enough that you have to squint or guess at jersey numbers (not just because of my aged eyes)....and a school like NYU doesn't have the funds to have good hardware?

don't get me wrong...it's a blessing to sit in my comfy recliner and watch games from all over the country and have a library of archived games to watch....but I get much higher quality from youtube crap recorded from someones home recorder.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2012, 11:20:28 PM
The trick can be the cameras being used (upgrading cameras is not cheap - though it did look like they were using an old camera from other things I noticed)... the broadband being allowed by IT (some IT departments aren't exactly on board with video broadcast at their schools)... who is hosting the broadcast (if it is the college - and I couldn't tell from the broadcast - then they may not be able to handle a ton of people watching so one way to handle the number of requests is to ratchet down the quality)... and it could be that they are still learning about video streaming and don't have everything they want in place, just yet, to provide a top not broadcast. I can tell you that it seemed to me they were simply taping into the coach's camera which was also recording the signal. They seemed to literally by taking the signal from the DVD recorder possibly.

If schools are new at streaming and haven't had someone with experience come in and give them pointers, they may be doing what they can.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: toooldtohoop on February 19, 2012, 11:52:55 PM
thanks Dave.  I do not know what NYU excels at......but do they need someone to come in and help them with something as simple as this?  In 2012?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2012, 12:15:19 AM
Honestly... it seems simple... but that doesn't mean it actually is. Trust me from plenty of experience... sometimes what works one day doesn't the next.

Also, what seems like a great way to do something turns out to be the opposite. I personally say that the best way to do these things is have someone with experience come in and take a look and advise... but that is a shameless plug for me ;-).

In all seriousness... feedback is usually a good push for a school... and sometimes a school or the person in charge at a school will take the easy way out... enough to say "we are streaming" and no take it seriously enough showing the school in a bad light (I have personal experience at my alma mater).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 20, 2012, 12:19:14 PM
Quote from: toooldtohoop on February 19, 2012, 11:52:55 PM
I do not know what NYU excels at......but do they need someone to come in and help them with something as simple as this?  In 2012?

They probably just need more money.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: toooldtohoop on February 20, 2012, 09:49:08 PM
Nice finish for your bears.  better year than expected from preseason opinions.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 22, 2012, 06:19:48 PM
Quote from: toooldtohoop on February 20, 2012, 09:49:08 PM
Nice finish for your bears.  better year than expected from preseason opinions.

Thanks.  It has been a fun year to follow both the team and the conference. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 22, 2012, 06:25:08 PM
Congratulations to the UAA players who were named Academic All-Americans.  Matt Johnson from Chicago was named to the second team.  Erin Hollinger from Case Western for the second straight year and Dani Hoover from Washington University were named to the first team and Taylor Simpson named to the third team.

http://cosida.com/media/documents/2012/2/2011_12_CO_AAA_D3_Team.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 23, 2012, 03:26:45 PM
Hoopsville is set to feature Washington University senior Dylan Richter tonight.  Good call David McHugh. 

Listen live at from 7:00-9:00 CST: http://www.d3hoopsville.com
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 27, 2012, 12:45:57 PM
Washington University is set to host Buena Vista along with North Central and Rose-Hulman.  NYU will host Misericordia in round one.  The winner goes to Amherst who, along with Virginia Wesleyan earned a first round bye.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Violet_Nation on February 27, 2012, 03:07:50 PM
Congrats to the Violets! And to the UAA in general. It was a sever oversight leaving Emory out last year. It sounds silly to say about a conference so highly thought of as ours, but I feel we have been recently underrated. I've watched a decent amount of games in the last few weeks from around the country, and I would take an Emory or Rochester over many of the teams that received Pool C bids. Now just hoping for the Violets to get a big win this Thursday and move on for a big match up with Amherst. And of course congratulations Wash. Hope to see the Bears in a few weeks!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: (509)Rat on February 27, 2012, 06:11:34 PM
I know initial talks were about the UAA being a little down this year. And I wasn't impressed with Wash U at all. Keep in mind that game was @ Whitworth and it was early in the season so it doesn't mean a whole lot. I guess my question to the Wash U guys is, have the Bears been steadily improving this year or is the ranking and the host a result of a weaker conference and geography?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 27, 2012, 06:46:03 PM
Certainly not a weaker conference.  Wash-U is joined by NYU in the tourney, and Emory and Rochester were good but didn't get an invite.  Brandeis had its moments, and even Carnegie-Mellon pulled off an upset.  No easy marks in the conference, especially on the road. 

The conference as a whole featured excellent 3-point shooting, which put Wash-U at a slight disadvantage because aside from Dylan Richter most of the points came inside the paint.  Still, Wash-U was able to overcome the long-range barrage and emerge as the champ.

Wash-U had 2 freshmen and a sophomore that missed last season due to injury to weave into the mix at the start of the season.  Those players (Brayden Teuscher, Matt Palucki, and Chris Klimek) played well right out of the gate, but it took time to see how the rotation would be set up, and who would be in it.  I believe the Bears were 2-2 at one point early, then reeled off 10 wins in the next 11 games--with wins over then-#1 Augustana and then-#17 Wheaton along the way.  The lone loss in that stretch was a 71-56 decision at Illinois Wesleyan, and the Bears played much better after that (generally speaking).  A red-hot NYU team came in and beat Wash-U at home, but the Bears returned the favor to clinch the UAA crown in New York.

Wash-U also swept Emory, nationally-ranked for much of the season; and split with Brandeis and Rochester.  So, after the 2-2 start Wash-U is 17-4 heading into the tournament.  The Bears shoot very well, 48% entering last Saturday's game at Chicago.  And they are very deep:  9 players log 12 minutes or more per game.  Add a very good 17.5 assists and just 13.5 turnovers per game, and Wash-U is a very efficient team that plays especially well at home (11-1 home, 7-4 road, 1-1 neutral). 

That's the Cliff's Notes version of the Bears' season...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 27, 2012, 07:24:14 PM
I will add a few thoughts and excuses.

The loss at Whitworth was very early in the season.  Washington University did beat Whitman in overtime late the night before (that game started at 10:00 CST) before playing an afternoon game at Whitworth.  Whitman was our only common opponent.  Whitworth went 1-1 against the Missionaries.

Washington University is ranked 15th in the Massey Ratings which also has the UAA second after the WIAC, for what Massey is worth.  Hoopsville suggested last night that it was one of the best, top to bottom.

The three point shooting story is a big one.  Rochester shot 60 percent from three point range and overall in that win and defends home court very well.  NYU was almost at 55 percent from three point range and over 65 overall. 

The only other loss not previously mentioned was Ohio Wesleyan--also in the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 29, 2012, 11:05:06 PM
UAA All-Conference Honors have been released.

It comes as no surprise that Dylan Richter was named Player of the Year.

Freshman of the Year goes to Jordan Dean from Case Western Reserve and Coach of the Year goes to Coach Nesci and his staff.

FIRST TEAM
John DiBartolomeo, Rochester
Austin Claunch, Emory
Jake Davis, Emory
Matt Johnson, Chicago
Vytas Kriskus, Brandeis
Dylan Richter, Washington
Andy Stein, NYU

SECOND TEAM
John Duhring, Carnegie Mellon
Austin Fowler, Case
Alex Greven, Emory
Chris Klimek, Washington
Nate Novosel, Rochester
Kyle Stockmal, NYU
Carl Yaffe, NYU
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 01, 2012, 09:43:29 PM
Misericordia held the lead at the half (37-36) but the Violets took over in the second half and got the win.  The final from New York: 84-65.  NYU advances to play Amherst on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 03, 2012, 06:19:11 PM
New York leads Amherst 17-16 early in the first.  Let's get it done Violets!

Reset: Amherst goes on a run and leads 25-21.  The Amherst gym looks like a 1970's era A-Frame vacation home.

Reset: Amherst leads 40-28 at the half.

Washington University and North Central tip off at 7:00 CST.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 04, 2012, 01:02:38 AM
I probably need to hang up my www.d3boards.com login and password for the season before I lose every last bit of karma that I am not sure I deserved in the first place.

Tough loss by Washington University to North Central.  Final score: 72-68.  Not much to say about the game tonight.  I stand by what I said about the officials.  Horrible.  But North Central earned the win.

Props to Dylan Richter who had an incredible senior season.  He has clearly established himself as one of the best players ever to wear the green and white uniform.

November is a long way away, but I am already pumped about next season with Palucki and Tuescher joining Aboona, Cooney and Klimek in the starting line-up.  Look for Burt and Burnett to make a name for themselves as well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on March 05, 2012, 04:43:37 PM
Quote from: WUH on March 04, 2012, 01:02:38 AM
Props to Dylan Richter who had an incredible senior season.  He has clearly established himself as one of the best players ever to wear the green and white uniform.


WUH   I hate to disagree... but I think the stats speak differently

162 out of 373 from the field   .434
75 out of 210 from 3's      .357
4.0 rebounds per game
57 assists vs 44 turnovers

a good season yes.... incredible, not to me.....   one of best to wear green and white.... I can't put him in the top 10 over the last 20 years, and if I thought hard enough, maybe not in the last 10 years.....

to me, he was a kid who I spoke of as having AA potential when I watched him as a frosh, who evolved into more of mainly a streaky 3 point shooter than the kid I remember who took many fantastic runs at the basket when he was a frosh.... Seeing so many kids get Better during their years as a Bear, I just don't think I saw that out of DR.....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on March 05, 2012, 05:40:56 PM
Quote from: WUH on March 04, 2012, 01:02:38 AM
He has clearly established himself as one of the best players ever to wear the green and white uniform.

I guess defining "one of the best" is completely subjective, but that seems a little too strong for me.  I'd have to think about it, but I don't think I'd put Dylan Richter in my Wash U top 15 (over my 22 years of following D3). 

It just seems to me that Richter was too inconsistent over his career to be "one of the best."  I don't know, maybe I'm being too hard on him...it's just that I can't put him anywhere near the category with Ruths, Wallis, Jeffries, Alexander, Thompson, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Marty Peretz on March 06, 2012, 12:40:44 AM
Dylan was, in part, the victim of a lot of difficult circumstances in his time at WU. He came in as one of the most highly-touted WUSTL recruits in school history. That was at a time when the team was coming off its first title and attracting more attention than it probably ever will again. They were fully expected to win another two titles in his first two seasons and took one him his freshman year. With the amount of talent at the 2/3 position that year (Cam Smith, Aaron Thompson even Tyler Nading was really a 3 man at his core), he wasn't  going to see a ton of time no matter how good he was. He played well in stretches but got injured during the stretch run and never really found his way into the core rotation, in part because he wasn't needed. You had a national title team bringing back 4 starters and an all-American pg who'd brought the team to the final 4 as a sophomore but was injured as a junior. Then, Richter's sophomore year, pretty much everyone returned besides Nading. Again, where were you gonna play him? You had an all-American 2 guard in Thompson and perhaps the best glue guy in D3 in Cam Smith. Then part of the problem his junior year was that the team lost so much talent from the year before that they really had to learn how to play under new circumstances. Spencer Gay and Richter were both very solid, but they lacked the supporting cast or experience to win some close games and the year proved to be a disappointment. This year, Richter was clearly the guy for the first time in his career and he played terrificly well. UAA POY speaks for itself. Once he was given the spotlight, he shined. And, frankly, there was no way he was going to be a star during his first two seasons due to all the talent they had on the roster. Additionally,  Mark Edwards plays the same way, no matter the personnel. Great guy, but there's no denying that fact. Truth is, Richter might be remembered as one of the most athletic players in WU history, but Edwards' style doesn't necessarily favor a pace which would benefit Richter from D1. He runs his wings off of a lot of screens and favors the catch-and-shoot, 4 out type sets. On occasion, that leads to a backdoor cut and a Rihter alley-oop, but overall, it favors guys who are great shooters. Dylan wasn't touted as a great shooter when he came in and I give him all the credit in the world for leaving Wash.U as a much improved shooter.

Talent-wise, he is absolutely one of the top 5 guys I've seen in my time following Wash.U. (8 or so years but with familiarity of the five or so years prior), but he's also undergone some of the most unfortunate of circumstances from an individual level (ie, so many greats in front of him). For him to have led this young group the way he did is a clear sign of how much he matured in his time at Wash.U. For that, he ought to be brought and the WU hoops family ought to be as well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 06, 2012, 02:55:13 PM
Quote from: hopefan on March 05, 2012, 04:43:37 PM
I hate to disagree... but I think the stats speak differently

162 out of 373 from the field   .434
75 out of 210 from 3's      .357
4.0 rebounds per game
57 assists vs 44 turnovers

Feel free to disagree.  All of you know infinitely more about basketball than I do (obviously) and I appreciate the feedback.  I think the arguments for and against what I said are well detailed and so there is not much more to add.

I described his season as incredible in part because he had several incredible games (Augustana, Wheaton, and Emory come to mind).  It is hard to imagine the season without him, but it seems certain that it would have ended in Chicago a week ago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 06, 2012, 08:41:24 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on March 05, 2012, 05:40:56 PM
...the category with Ruths, Wallis, Jeffries, Alexander, Thompson, etc.

Incidentally, why does the name Tyler Nading never seem to get mentioned with the others?  I know it is mistake to suggest that one player was critical to a championship run (a mistake I did make in my previous post) but it is hard for me to imagine a championship in 2009 without Tyler Nading.  The next season, there was talk of the surprise let down and early exit for a team that included everyone but Nading, but I think I may have been the only one that suggested that the graduation of Nading was a particularly big factor.  He obviously had to share the court with several great, but he did win his fair share of accolades.  Maybe he was next on your list. 

I guess my question to anyone that cares to answer: where would Tyler Nading fall on the list of Washington University greats?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on March 06, 2012, 09:08:23 PM
Quote from: WUH on March 06, 2012, 08:41:24 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on March 05, 2012, 05:40:56 PM
...the category with Ruths, Wallis, Jeffries, Alexander, Thompson, etc.


I guess my question to anyone that cares to answer: where would Tyler Nading fall on the list of Washington University greats?

  somewhere ABOVE Dylan Richter...... ;D ;D ;D... Sorry WUH, I couldn't resist....No harm intended
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on March 07, 2012, 12:51:38 PM
Well WUH, 35,000 voters can't be wrong, so I must be!! ;D ;D     Congrats to Dylan Richter for being voted in to play in the D3 All Star Game!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 07, 2012, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: hopefan on March 07, 2012, 12:51:38 PM
Well WUH, 35,000 voters can't be wrong, so I must be!!  Congrats to Dylan Richter for being voted in to play in the D3 All Star Game!!

Let me hear you say yeah!  Awesome!

And, you never need to apologize to me.  Especially after all the non-SLIAC related posts I have made on the SLIAC boards over the years.  I almost posted about the Maryville women winning the GLVC championship but then refrained.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 29, 2012, 06:27:40 PM
Dylan Richter was drafted yesterday

http://lincolnshire.suntimes.com/sports/13485684-419/mens-basketball-ex-stevenson-player-richter-drafted-by-harlem-globetrotters.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: madzillagd on August 20, 2012, 12:39:39 PM
NYU has created a blog for their global activities.  Lots of pics & video...

http://teamnyuglobal.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on October 08, 2012, 02:30:49 PM
From November of 2011, but an interesting story about two of Chicago's incoming Freshman (http://blogs.suntimes.com/hoopsreport/2011/11/a_true_recruiting_coup.html) - who are listed on UofC's 2012-13 roster:


QuoteA true recruiting coup
By Joe Henricksen on November 2, 2011 8:42 PM | 7 Comments | No TrackBacks


When basketball commitments start rolling in, the college program that nabbed the player always receives the proverbial recruiting "steal," "coup" and "great get" from just about everyone who can type on a keyboard. Some are a little blown out of proportion, because if they were all recruiting "steals," "coups" and "great gets" as they all seem to be, then no college coach would ever get fired.

But when the City/Suburban Hoops Report says the University of Chicago, a solid Division III program and one of the nation's great academic institutions, has landed one of the biggest recruiting steals, take it to heart because this one is legit.

University of Chicago coach Mike McGrath received a pair of whopping commitments from the Whitney Young tandem of Jordan Smith and Nate Brooks. Academics, as much as anything, played a huge factor in the decision as the two players sport impressive ACT scores of 31 and 32, respectively, and there are few places in America where a degree is more valued than from the University of Chicago.

But from a basketball perspective, this Division III program on the South Side of Chicago will welcome a pair of players with Division I talent, size and athleticism. That's a rare commodity at the Division III level, even if the quality of basketball in Division III is significantly better than the average basketball fan realizes.

Smith is a 6-3, big-bodied 2-guard who the Hoops Report has among the top 30 prospects in the senior class. He uses his strength and frame to get to the rim, while also possessing a jumper that extends out to the three-point line. Brooks, meanwhile, is an unpolished, undersized 4-man as a Division I prospect but a potential difference-maker in Division III hoops with his body and jaw-dropping hops. He's agile, runs the floor, is extremely athletic and dunks just about everything when he's at the rim.

"They fell in love with the University of Chicago and what it can do for them long term," says Whitney Young coach Tyrone Slaughter, whose program has never had a non-qualifier in his time as head coach of the Dolphins. "There were other opportunities for them at the Division I level, but there is no better situation or set of circumstances for them than the University of Chicago. It's right there in their back yard, and it's a chance for them to play together for four more years."

McGrath identified Brooks early. He started working and selling the academic/basketball combination and opportunity vigorously. He had Brooks' ear. Soon it became apparent the University of Chicago had piqued the interest of Smith as well, so McGrath and assistant coach Drew Adams went to work on trying to land the tandem.

Mission accomplished. Now McGrath has a jumpstart at landing what could be a monumental Division III recruiting class for his program, which welcomed talented freshman guard Royce Muskeyvalley from state champion Rock Island and Deerfield product Ryan Davis, a 6-2 point guard, this season.

Division III recruiting typically doesn't heat up until the winter and lingers into the spring as high school prospects wait ... and wait ... and wait ... for the Division I scholarship offer that, many times, never materializes. With Smith and Brooks, it's a completely different deal. The mindset and maturity for both Brooks and Smith is unique in comparison to the average, basketball-playing teenager. Their primary concern was finding a way to combine basketball and academics in the best way they could and take full advantage of what they call a "one-of-a-kind opportunity."

"The University of Chicago provides an academic opportunity as a top 10 university in the world," says Brooks. "I did have a couple of Division I offers, but I just felt I would be selling myself short if I didn't take this opportunity. This is a chance to still play the game I love while getting a world-class education."

When Smith hears anyone question his decision -- choosing small college basketball over Division I basketball -- he says he has just one word for them.

"Education," Smith says with a laugh. "No one will match that education. Academics was obviously a big part of my decision, but when I visited the campus I liked the atmosphere, I liked the team and felt really comfortable. I'm not from the South Side, so that will be something new for me as well. I'm thrilled with my decision and being able to play with Nate and to spend my four years of college there."

The two teammates, who will figure prominently for a Whitney Young team that will be among the top teams in the state again this season, were aware of what was out there for them -- and the possibilities for them down the road if they played the season out. But unlike so many other players, these two took to heart the academic reputation of Chicago and the lifelong opportunities an elite education can bring over playing a lesser-known academic institution that just so happens to play Division I basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on November 08, 2012, 01:09:53 PM
Northwestern beat Chicago 70-46 in an exhibition game last night.  (http://www.nusports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/110712aaa.html)

One of Chicago's returning starters, Derrick Davis, did not play.  Chicago started Royce Muskeyvalley at guard and four forwards, , Charlie Hughes, Sam Gage, Matt MacKenzie and Alex Pyper. All four are 6-5 or 6-6.  Chicago has a transfer from D-1 American (Patriot League) Wayne Simon, a 5-11 guard.  He played 19 minutes.  The two big name freshmen from Whitney Young, Nate Brooks and Jordan Smith, played 16 and 13 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on November 16, 2012, 01:38:44 AM
Chicago opened with an 81-52 win (http://athletics.uchicago.edu/news-2012-13/MBB-Maranatha-11152012.htm) over Maranatha Bible.  Not much of a test - we will know a lot more after the UAA/SCAC challenge (http://athletics.uchicago.edu/mensbasketball/MBB-UAA-SCAC.htm) this weekend. But Chicago may be a surprise this season.  It depends on how quickly some freshmen grow up.

Jordan Smith, a 6-4 guard from Chicago power (and alma mater of Michelle Obama) Whitney Young, started and led the Maroons with 15 points in 24 minutes.  His high school teammate Nate Brooks, a 6-5 205 bundle of talent, came off the bench with 4 points and six rebounds in 21 minutes.  Two other first years contributed.  Josh Steinberg, a 6-4 guard, had five points and five rebounds in 18 minutes.  Eric Robinson, the Maroons tallest player at 6-8, had six points in ten minutes.  Wayne Simon, a 5-11 junior guard who transferred in from D1 American U, had ten points in 22 minutes.  So 95 of 200 minutes from new players.  If they can blend in with Sam Gage, Charlie Hughes and the rest, the Maroons could be a factor in UAA play. 

I think Brooks has enormous potential.  Here he is as a high school junior (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98HPKlVI71s).  and another (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAfTzF2gcko).  As seniors, Smith and Brooks could not get past Derek Rose's alma mater, Simeon, which was the state champion.  Simeon was led by a junior Jabari Parker who is ranked as the number 1 or 2 recruit in the country.  Simeon is ranked number 1 in the 2013 national high school polls.   Young's best player was a sophomore, Jahlil Okafor.  He is expected to be named the number one recruit in the country when he is a senior.

Brooks and Jordan had been competing successfully in some of the toughest, if not the toughest, high school basketball in the country.  They may transition to D3 competition fairly quickly.  And they did not sneak into UofC - 32 on the ACT.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 18, 2012, 10:13:00 PM
The UAA won the so-called UAA/SCAC Challenge hosted by the University of Chicago.

Washington University 69, Trinity 51
Washington University 85, Southwestern 54

Chicago 74, Southwestern 71
Chicago 64, Trinity 49
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 19, 2012, 08:37:22 AM
Quote from: WUH on November 18, 2012, 10:13:00 PM
The UAA won the so-called UAA/SCAC Challenge hosted by the University of Chicago.

Washington University 69, Trinity 51
Washington University 85, Southwestern 54

Chicago 74, Southwestern 71
Chicago 64, Trinity 49

Nice
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on November 19, 2012, 11:25:03 PM
From the first two Wash-U games:  Bears gathered 41 rebounds in each of the two games, and got 23 points from Alan Aboona.  Aboona was a combined 9-15 from the floor, and 4-9 from 3-point range.  If he can provide timely threes along with Ben Hoener, that will help provide more room for the inside trio of Chris Klimek, Matt Palucki, and Robert Burnett.

They don't need a lot of 3s, just enough to keep opposing defenses honest.

The "Wydown Showdown" with Fontbonne is tomorrow night at 7:30 CST.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: martin on November 19, 2012, 11:45:12 PM
From the CCIW Board (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4592.msg1468819#msg1468819):

Quote from: martin on November 19, 2012, 11:37:20 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 18, 2012, 08:22:17 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on November 18, 2012, 07:45:10 PM
We all remember this about U. of Chicago's big recruiting news a year ago...

http://blogs.suntimes.com/hoopsreport/2011/11/a_true_recruiting_coup.html


It certainly looks like 6-4 guard Jordan Smith (Whitney Young H.S.) is the real deal.  Through his first 3 collegiate games he is averaging 18 ppg.

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/mensbasketball/mbk-bios-2012-13/mbk-bio-2012-13-smith.htm

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/mensbasketball/teamcume.htm


Mike McGrath's Maroons could be a big-time sleeper in the UAA and Midwest region this year.

I watched the Maroons play today. I have to agree with toooldtohoop; right now the Maroons are playing a lot of one-on-one ball. It's quite a shock to the system for those of us who over the years have gotten used to watching Chicago play some of the most meticulously-patterned basketball in the region (with the triple post set, in particular). Now the Maroons are very wide open and try to beat you off the dribble -- no surprise, when you consider that they have Whitney Young alumnus Jordan Smith, Westchester St. Joe alumnus Wayne Simon (who played two years of D1 ball at American), and the fleet-footed Royce Muskeyvalley on the team, all of whom are excellent slashers. Kudos to U of C coach Mike McGrath for recognizing that he has more perimeter athletic talent right now than he's ever had before -- or is ever likely to have at 56th and Ellis -- and adjusting his team's style accordingly.

And, yeah, they do look unimpressive on defense. But that's a function of their youth. Smith and fellow former Whitney Young Dolphin Nate Brooks are freshmen, as is sharp-shooting guard John Steinberg, and Muskeyvalley's only a sophomore. It's a young team, and young teams usually don't defend well.

Jordan Smith has had a great start - 17.7 ppg and 4.7 boards - in three games.  It is rare for freshmen to have an impact.  I do not count Steve Djurickovic - he never really was a freshman.  Adam Dauksas started as a freshman and was good but on a good team where he could blend in.  The last CCIW freshman to have a big impact was Drew Carstens in 2000-1. 

Is it easier for a guard than a big man?  I think Chicago's Nate Brooks has enormous potential but is not at Smith's level yet.  Keelan Amelianovich did little as a freshman - played limited minutes in 18 games.  As a sophomore he was MOP in the CCIW.  But then Derek Reich was UAA Player of the Year all four years.

Maybe the point is that it takes a special player to have an impact as a freshman.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 24, 2012, 08:35:27 AM
Something I posted on the CCIW board...

Quote from: Titan Q on November 23, 2012, 08:34:53 AM
I will get to see my first in-person D3 action of the season today.  #21 Wash U plays Austin College (TX) here at Nebraska Wesleyan's tournament.  It looks like Mark Edwards has a really good team this year, starting...

G - Alan Aboona, 6-1 Jr - 13.3 ppg, 4.0 apg
G - Tim Cooney, 6-3 Jr - 6.7 ppg, 3.7 apg
F - Matt Palucki, 6-6 So - 8.7 ppg, 7.0 rpg
F - Chris Klimek, 6-5 Jr - 13.3 ppg, 6.0 rpg
C - Robert Burnett, 6-7 Sr - 12.0 ppg, 8.0 rpg

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Sports/BasketballMen/Pages/default.aspx

Imagine if they still had Wheaton's Brayden Teuscher (16.3 ppg) at the SG spot.

I did in fact watch Wash U play yesterday.  Here is the boxscore from their win over D3 Austin College...

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Stats/TeamStats/basketball-mens/2012-2013/game4.htm

Austin College is a really bad team, but I'm still convinced that I saw a Wash U team that is underrated at #21 and a legitimate national championship contender this season.  (The Bears are picked to win the UAA.)

The Bears are huge, with that frontline of 6-6/6-5/6-7.  They are not terribly athletic at those positions but they're very skilled.  6-6 SF/PF Matt Palucki is very long and has nice shooting touch from 15 feet and around the basket.  6-5 PF Chris Klimek scored 31 pts yesterday on 14-17 shooting --  he scored layup after layup on the same set play that got him the ball on the block, in position to turn and score.  Austin College just didn't have anyone who could guard him.  6-7 Robert Burnett is a big body who can beat you if you don't pay attention to him.  Led by this frontline, Wash U out-rebounded AC 47-23.  Through 4 games, the Bears have a per game rebounding margin of +20, which is crazy.

Wash U's starting guards are not great, but they're very solid.  Alan Aboona does a good job handling the ball at the point and Tim Cooney does a lot of things well on the floor.  Neither is what you would call a "pure shooter" but I suspect both are capable of getting hot from 3-point range on any particular night.  If Wash U still had Wheaton's Brayden Teuscher at the SG spot...wow.

The Bears are also really deep at the perimeter spots.  They bring PG Ben Hoener and combo guard Kevin Bischoff off the bench - these two would start for a lot of good D3 teams.  Last night I didn't see a lot from their backup posts, but it was only one game. 

Finally, Wash U is extremely well coached as always.  Mark Edwards is one of the best in the business and here in the very early going he has him team playing like it's late-January.

Again, Austin College was really bad, but I'm pretty sure Wash U is going to have an outstanding season.  I believe the Bears are every bit as good as #6 North Central.  In terms of where they stack up vs #8 IWU, Wash U is a better team than the Titans have been through 3 games.  Personnel wise, IWU vs Wash U is a push, but Wash U has things all meshed together already while the Titans seem to be putting the pieces together still.

I really hope IWU and Wash U face each other at the Lopata Classic next weekend.  I'm pretty sure IWU's strength and athleticism would give the Bears a much better test than they've had so far.  Some great frontline matchups: Andrew Ziemnik vs Matt Palucki, Victor Davis vs Chris Klimek, and Kevin Reed vs Robert Burnett.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 26, 2012, 10:51:53 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on November 24, 2012, 08:35:27 AM
If Wash U still had Wheaton's Brayden Teuscher at the SG spot...wow.

This point cannot be overstated.  The Bears will get a good reminder of what they lost when they travel to Wheaton on December 8th.

Incidentally, while Washington University and Wheaton are very strong in academics and athletics, in terms of campus cultures, the two institutions are on the opposite ends of the spectrum.  In Division III, it is hard to imagine a bigger shift.  Maybe Washington University to the Coast Guard.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 26, 2012, 11:22:01 AM
Or Macalester to the Coast Guard. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 26, 2012, 08:47:58 PM
Oberlin to Maranatha Baptist.

Checkmate. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on November 27, 2012, 12:36:12 AM
New D3hoops poll is out and the UAA has three teams in the Top 25. Washington U is the highest ranked team moving up 5 spots to #10 with 366 points. Rochester enters the rankings at #17 with 162 points and NYU is ranked #22 with 114 points. They tie the NESCAC conference with the most entries at 3 each. Here's the link: 

    http://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/week1     
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 27, 2012, 09:03:02 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 26, 2012, 08:47:58 PM
Oberlin to Maranatha Baptist.

Checkmate. ;)

I was going to counter the Macalester-Coast Guard move with Concordia Moorhead and Rust College, but Oberlin-Marantha Baptist...game over.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 27, 2012, 12:15:27 PM
In honor of its silver anniversary, the University Athletic Association has announced its 25th Anniversary Men's Basketball Team.

http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Basketball/MBasketball%2025th%20Anniv.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on November 27, 2012, 01:25:17 PM
Quote from: WUH on November 27, 2012, 12:15:27 PM
In honor of its silver anniversary, the University Athletic Association has announced its 25th Anniversary Men's Basketball Team.

http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Basketball/MBasketball%2025th%20Anniv.pdf

VERY impressive list, and lots of memories...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on November 27, 2012, 01:53:15 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 27, 2012, 01:25:17 PM
Quote from: WUH on November 27, 2012, 12:15:27 PM
In honor of its silver anniversary, the University Athletic Association has announced its 25th Anniversary Men's Basketball Team.

http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Basketball/MBasketball%2025th%20Anniv.pdf

VERY impressive list, and lots of memories...

Would love to see these guys play each other in their prime .  Come on MIT/CalTech .....let's get on that, eh?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on November 29, 2012, 05:11:55 PM
29th Annual Lopata Classic at Washington University Loaded With Local Talent in 2012. http://www.newsmagazinenetwork.com/2012112928007/several-high-school-graduates-are-playing-at-washington-universitys-lopata-classic/ (http://www.newsmagazinenetwork.com/2012112928007/several-high-school-graduates-are-playing-at-washington-universitys-lopata-classic/)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 01, 2012, 12:28:55 AM
Washington University prevails over Wilmington College 73-62.  The Bears needed about ten minutes to get going offensively and struggled against the press throughout.  Wilmington had 14 steals and forced 23 turnovers.  I am going to blame the mustaches.  Washington University pulled down almost everything, outrebounding Wilmington 43-18.  Alan Aboona went 14-14 from the line en route to 26 points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 02, 2012, 12:40:52 AM
Washington University gets the win over Illinois Wesleyan 67-57 to take the 2012 Lopata Classic.  Alan Aboona was named tournament MVP.  The Bears led at the half 37-29 despite the fact that IWU won the battle of the boards and Klimek only had two points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on December 02, 2012, 01:35:31 PM
Rochester beat Hobart 73-64 to win the 47th Annual Wendy's College Classic (formerly the Chase).  U of R's John DiBartolomeo named tournament MVP after averaging 27 points, 8 rebounds and 5 assists
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 04, 2012, 08:45:14 AM
Dr. Evil needs to take away his mojo.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 12, 2012, 12:16:29 PM
Not related to basketball, but glimpse at how the UAA schools rank in the latest Director's Cup standings.  Emory ranks third after strong finishes in volleyball and women's soccer (runner-up) among other sports.

03) Emory
10) Washington University
13) Carnegie Mellon
20) Rochester
30) Brandeis
41) Chicago
44) NYU
65) Case Western Reserve

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacda/sports/directorscup/auto_pdf/2012-13/misc_non_event/Dec6DIIIrelease.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 16, 2012, 06:31:31 PM
Finals week(s) in the UAA with only a few non-conference games left in the season for each team.  The UAA currently ranks second among conferences in Division III according to Massey.  A look at where each team stands:

No. 6 Rochester (10-0)
No. 8 Washington University (9-1)
No. 46 New York (6-1)
No. 54 Brandeis (8-2)
No. 55 Emory (7-2)
No. 97 Case Western (5-3)
No. 146 Chicago (4-4)
No. 198 Carnegie Mellon (1-7)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2012, 09:57:42 PM
Quote from: WUH on November 27, 2012, 09:03:02 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 26, 2012, 08:47:58 PM
Oberlin to Maranatha Baptist.

Checkmate. ;)

I was going to counter the Macalester-Coast Guard move with Concordia Moorhead and Rust College, but Oberlin-Marantha Baptist...game over.
Or Bard to Sul Ross State.  (Sorry for the late post.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 21, 2012, 04:34:20 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2012, 09:57:42 PM
Or Bard to Sul Ross State.  (Sorry for the late post.)
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No need to apologize.  This is my excuse to add Emerson and Caltech.  Incidentally, I think we have the priority list of invitees for the next D3hoops.com Classic.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 31, 2012, 02:50:48 PM
One last look at the Massey Ratings with only four non-conference games to be played and conference action starting this weekend.

No. 3 Rochester (10-0)
No. 5 Washington University (9-1)
No. 40 Emory (8-2)
No. 42 Brandeis (9-1)
No. 54 New York (8-1)
No. 121 Case Western (6-4)
No. 143 Chicago (5-5)
No. 212 Carnegie Mellon (2-7)

Rochester hosts Emory and Brandeis hosts NYU on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 01, 2013, 10:02:53 PM
Wash-U plays at MacMurray tomorrow (Wednesday) afternoon at 3:00.  Yours truly and Wash-U SID Chris Mitchell will have an audio broadcast of the game, that will begin at 2:30 with the Bears Den Pre-Game Show.  We are having an extended pre-game show to include a general preview of the UAA men's and women's races.

Go to bearsports.wustl.edu and click on the "Bear Sports Network" link on the right side of the frontpage.  From there, select our live broadcast.

Should be an interesting game.  Wash-U is #9 and 9-1, and Mac is 4-5 but its losses have come against teams with .500 or better records:  Sewanee (5-2), Wartburg (5-5), Westminster (8-2), McKendree (6-4), and Augustana (10-1).  Mac only trailed Augie by 3 at halftime before losing by 12, and the Highlanders have four players that average in double-figure scoring.  Wash-U has 3 players in double-figures, and one at 9.9 ppg.

This game could unfold in similar fashion to the Wash-U women's game with Southwestern this past Saturday; a hard-fought battle all the way through.  Hope you get a chance to join us!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 05, 2013, 04:50:26 PM
Halftime at the Ratner Center, my first ever visit.  WUSTL started the game 9-0 but now trails Chicago 32-27 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 05, 2013, 06:45:42 PM
Chicago does everything right in the upset.  Very few positives for Washington University in the game.

Rochester over Emory with both schools Chicago and Washington next week.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on January 05, 2013, 07:16:45 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 05, 2013, 06:45:42 PM
Chicago does everything right in the upset.  Very few positives for Washington University in the game.

Rochester over Emory with both schools Chicago and Washington next week.

Mike McGrath did a great job on the Xs and Os in the win today.  In an effort to stop Wash U's deadly high-low game (and resulting easy layups from Chris Klimek), Chicago bottled up the paint and gave the Bears forwards wide-open 15-foot jumpshots.  Nick Burt clanked a bunch of them, as did Klimek, Robert Burnett, and Matt Palucki.  Chicago gave up very few good looks on the blocks.

Chicago also did a tremendous job rebounding the basketball.  The Maroons out-rebounded the nations best rebounding team by 6.  I think IWU is the only other team all season to have more boards than Wash U.  It makes a big difference when you prevent the Bears from getting multiple looks at the basket.

Chris Klimek looked completely out of it.  Things weren't going his way and he just didn't seem to show any fight at all.  There was one possession where he wanted a foul call and didn't get it.  With the Maroons hustling the ball the other way, Klimek was just sort of jogging and barking at an official.  It was strange...he's a good player.

Impressive performance by the Maroons.  I've seen Wash U play several times this year (including 4 times in person) and this was by far the worst the Bears have looked.  Other UAA teams are going to study this tape and try exactly what Mike McGrath did today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 05, 2013, 07:57:13 PM
I think the trouble inside for Wash-U actually began against MacMurray.  The Highlanders predominantly played zone defense to sag in on the Wash-U bigs, and it was tough at the beginning to get the usual business done in the paint.  That also led to several early turnovers, and the Bears trailed at one point 16-10 before a 20-2 run gave them control of the game.

McGrath must have added his own touches to that, and kudos to him for doing so.  Wash-U doesn't have proflific 3-point shooters this season, but the guards are capable of making enough treys to keep opposing teams honest.  Evidently that didn't happen this afternoon. 

The Bears were also poor free-throw shooters at 5-for-11.  That, plus their neutralized efforts in the paint (both teams had 22 points in the paint, and Wash-U only had a 10-9 advantage in 2nd chance points) led to their undoing today.

Now, Wash-U faces a very tough road trip next weekend...at Emory Friday, and at Rochester Sunday.  Rochester topped Emory 89-80, and Emory will be formidable.  Wash-U beat Emory on the road last season 92-83, but lost at Rochester 94-84.  The Bears will need to at least split those games to avoid starting 0-3 in the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 05, 2013, 09:21:05 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on January 05, 2013, 07:57:13 PM
I think the trouble inside for Wash-U actually began against MacMurray.  The Highlanders predominantly played zone defense to sag in on the Wash-U bigs, and it was tough at the beginning to get the usual business done in the paint.  That also led to several early turnovers, and the Bears trailed at one point 16-10 before a 20-2 run gave them control of the game.

McGrath must have added his own touches to that, and kudos to him for doing so.  Wash-U doesn't have proflific 3-point shooters this season, but the guards are capable of making enough treys to keep opposing teams honest.  Evidently that didn't happen this afternoon. 

The Bears were also poor free-throw shooters at 5-for-11.  That, plus their neutralized efforts in the paint (both teams had 22 points in the paint, and Wash-U only had a 10-9 advantage in 2nd chance points) led to their undoing today.

Now, Wash-U faces a very tough road trip next weekend...at Emory Friday, and at Rochester Sunday.  Rochester topped Emory 89-80, and Emory will be formidable.  Wash-U beat Emory on the road last season 92-83, but lost at Rochester 94-84.  The Bears will need to split those games to avoid starting 0-3 in the UAA.

Just read that Rochester's win over Emory was their 30th consecutive win at home and 17th straight UAA win at the Palestra.  No question, UAA road trips are killers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 05, 2013, 10:10:15 PM
Wash-U is 2-1 at Emory in the last 3 seasons, and 1-2 at Rochester.

A sweep is not out of the question, but the Bears may have to play their best basketball of the season to achieve it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 05, 2013, 10:26:55 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 05, 2013, 07:16:45 PM

Mike McGrath did a great job on the Xs and Os in the win today.  In an effort to stop Wash U's deadly high-low game (and resulting easy layups from Chris Klimek), Chicago bottled up the paint and gave the Bears forwards wide-open 15-foot jumpshots.  Nick Burt clanked a bunch of them, as did Klimek, Robert Burnett, and Matt Palucki.  Chicago gave up very few good looks on the blocks.

Chicago also did a tremendous job rebounding the basketball.  The Maroons out-rebounded the nations best rebounding team by 6.  I think IWU is the only other team all season to have more boards than Wash U.  It makes a big difference when you prevent the Bears from getting multiple looks at the basket.

Chris Klimek looked completely out of it.  Things weren't going his way and he just didn't seem to show any fight at all.  There was one possession where he wanted a foul call and didn't get it.  With the Maroons hustling the ball the other way, Klimek was just sort of jogging and barking at an official.  It was strange...he's a good player.


Indeed.  The fact that the Bears did not take a free throw in the first half and part of the second is telling.  They were daring the forwards to shoot from outside and they just kept shooting.

Klimek was not the only player that looked out of it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 06, 2013, 08:36:55 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 05, 2013, 09:21:05 PM
Just read that Rochester's win over Emory was their 30th consecutive win at home and 17th straight UAA win at the Palestra.  No question, UAA road trips are killers.

The only UAA team to win on the road on Saturday was Case Western (8-4) at Carnegie Mellon (2-9) and the Spartans only won by three.  Brandeis hosted NYU and won 65-59.

It is hard to imagine an end to the Rochester home win streak this season, especially with John DiBartolomeo averaging almost 24 points per game.  If you take away his best and worst game, he is averaging 29 points per game.  His average should drop a little in conference play, but he did shoot for 34 against Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: toooldtohoop on January 06, 2013, 08:38:32 PM
the Bears have not been able to replace Richter in their lineup.  will be tough for them the rest of the year if teams continue to sag.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 06, 2013, 08:43:00 PM
A look at the conference standings after the first week.

Rochester 1-0 (12-0)
Brandeis 1-0 (10-2)
Case Western Reserve 1-0 (8-4)
Chicago 1-0 (7-5)
Washington 0-1 (10-2)
New York University 0-1 (9-2)
Emory 0-1 (8-3)
Carnegie Mellon 0-1 (2-9)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 11, 2013, 10:09:48 PM
Washington University over Emory in Atlanta as Alan Aboona shoots 10-11 from three-point range.  Aboona finishes with 35 points, 4 rebounds, and 2 assists in a performance reminiscent of the 33 point game by Dylan Richter (9-13 from three) against Emory last season. 

In the end, the teams shot comparably from the field and Washington University gets its rebounding mojo back, winning the battle of the boards 40-32.

The women needed overtime in the come from behind win, but the men get it down in regulation in a crucial UAA win.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 11, 2013, 10:12:31 PM
Aboona Matata!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 11, 2013, 10:19:41 PM
New York over Case Western Reserve and Brandeis over Carnegie Mellon 69-62 in a game that was never in jeopardy. Rochester defeats Chicago at home 64-47.  DiBartolomeo Watch: 25 points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 11, 2013, 11:19:08 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 11, 2013, 10:19:41 PM
New York over Case Western Reserve and Brandeis over Carnegie Mellon 69-62 in a game that was never in jeopardy. Rochester defeats Chicago at home 64-47. DiBartolomeo Watch: 25 points.
plus 7 rebounds, 6 assists and 0 turnovers. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 12, 2013, 09:23:43 AM
Quote from: WUH on January 11, 2013, 10:09:48 PM

Washington University over Emory in Atlanta as Alan Aboona shoots 10-11 from three-point range.  Aboona finishes with 35 points, 4 rebounds, and 2 assists in a performance reminiscent of the 33 point game by Dylan Richter (9-13 from three) against Emory last season. 


You weren't around in 2005-06 when Scott Stone was 14 of 21 from 3 against Fontbonne. It was an amazing performance to watch. Go to page six of the men's basketball record book. I tried to copy and paste it but the copy feature wasn't available. I think he finished with either 45 or 46 points, just shy of the record of 47, and he sat probably the last 6-8 minutes of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on January 12, 2013, 05:29:17 PM
Attached is the box score from Dec. 17, 2005 - Scott Stone had a WUSTL school record 14 three's and career-high 46 points. http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Stats/TeamStats/basketball-mens/2005-2006/fu-wum.htm (http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Stats/TeamStats/basketball-mens/2005-2006/fu-wum.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 12, 2013, 06:16:33 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 12, 2013, 09:23:43 AM
You weren't around in 2005-06 when Scott Stone was 14 of 21 from 3 against Fontbonne. It was an amazing performance to watch.

I was around, I just did not watch as many games that season.  I did not see the game against Fontbonne.  Did you see the game last night?

I don't want to take anything away from anyone, but going 10 for 11 from three point range on the road in a league game in which they trailed most of the evening...it does not get much bigger.  If Alan Aboona, Tim Cooney, Ben Hoener or whatever combination guarding DiBartolomeo could keep him way under his season average, that may do it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 12, 2013, 06:23:23 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 12, 2013, 06:16:33 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 12, 2013, 09:23:43 AM
You weren't around in 2005-06 when Scott Stone was 14 of 21 from 3 against Fontbonne. It was an amazing performance to watch.

I was around, I just did not watch as many games that season.  I did not see the game against Fontbonne.  Did you see the game last night?

I don't want to take anything away from anyone, but going 10 for 11 from three point range on the road in a league game in which they trailed most of the evening...it does not get much bigger.  If Alan Aboona, Tim Cooney, Ben Hoener or whatever combination guarding DiBartolomeo could keep him way under his season average, that may do it.

Sadly, I didn't watch last night's game. And I agree that 10 of 11 on the road against a UAA team is every bit as impressive as 14 of 21 at home against Fontbonne.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 13, 2013, 01:03:39 AM
After watching the video of Aboona's last 3-point basket, I'm very surprised that he was allowed to catch the inbounds pass uncontested and nearly in full stride.  That allowed Aboona to save precious seconds and to eventually get that step-back 3-point opportunity.

The video is posted on the Wash-U athletics webpage.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2013, 12:18:18 PM
Rochester leads Washington University 42-39 at the half in Rochester.  DiBartolomeo leads all scores and is well on his way to the season average with 18 points.  Add in two rebounds, three assists and two steals.  Klimek leads the Bears with 15.

Rochester started quick, but a 10-2 run by the Bears made for a tie game at 18-18.

An entertaining contest for sure with the highlight being the Alan Aboona overhead pass to Klimek that splashed in for three.

CORRECTION: 43-39. The Live Stats have been quasi-live.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2013, 12:20:16 PM
NYU and Brandeis with slight leads over Carnegie Mellon and Case Western Reserve halfway through the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 13, 2013, 12:27:46 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 13, 2013, 12:18:18 PM
Rochester leads Washington University 42-39 at the half in Rochester.  DiBartolomeo leads all scores and is well on his way to the season average with 18 points.  Add in two rebounds, three assists and two steals.  Klimek leads the Bears with 15.

Rochester started quick, but a 10-2 run by the Bears made for a tie game at 18-18.

An entertaining contest for sure with the highlight being the Alan Aboona overhead pass to Klimek that splashed in for three.

CORRECTION: 43-39. The Live Stats have been quasi-live.

My son just sent me a text from the game.  Said it was a shootout.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2013, 12:30:58 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 13, 2013, 12:27:46 PM
My son just sent me a text from the game.  Said it was a shootout.

I paid the $6.95 to watch. Well worth it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 13, 2013, 12:37:09 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 13, 2013, 12:30:58 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 13, 2013, 12:27:46 PM
My son just sent me a text from the game.  Said it was a shootout.

I paid the $6.95 to watch. Well worth it.

After paying four years of tuition at UofR, I'm keeping my $6.95.....

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2013, 12:42:16 PM
NYU and Carnegie Mellon tied at the half, 31-31.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2013, 12:50:12 PM
Rochester pushes the lead to 10 with a big run.  64-54.  Rochester very upset about a foul on Hoener, but DiBartolomeo constantly gets the benefit of the doubt and the foul call.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2013, 12:52:29 PM
Having said that, the officiating is good today.  Rochester is the better team today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on January 13, 2013, 12:56:45 PM
haven't seen any of the game, but my attitude is win with the 3 pointer when you're on, lose with the 3 pointer when you're off..... don't know if it applies to Wash U's weekend or not.....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on January 13, 2013, 01:01:34 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 13, 2013, 12:56:45 PM
haven't seen any of the game, but my attitude is win with the 3 pointer when you're on, lose with the 3 pointer when you're off..... don't know if it applies to Wash U's weekend or not.....

just checked live stats... it applies
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 13, 2013, 01:02:24 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 13, 2013, 12:52:29 PM
Having said that, the officiating is good today.  Rochester is the better team today.
I saw Rochester play at Hamilton earlier this year and was impressed with the number of weapons they have.  And come to think of it, that game was the first time I've seen them play in person since the Rochester/WashU game in 2009 - my sons last game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 13, 2013, 01:12:26 PM
DiBartolomeo had 21 turnovers for the season before today.  He has 7 today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2013, 01:13:32 PM
Washington University mounting a comeback with great outside shooting, but probably too little, too late.  Rochester leads 85-77 with 1:33. DiBartolomeo fouls out.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 13, 2013, 01:18:03 PM
Brandeis up 13 on Case with about ten left, close first half, but Judges broke it open via Kalilou, Retos and Moten. Retos took inside on a couple of plays showing new dimension to his game. Still drilling it from outside. Just fouled taking a 3. Oops.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2013, 01:29:51 PM
Rochester wins 93-81.  DiBartolomeo with 29 points, 4 rebounds, 6 assists and credited with 4 steals.  Seidman with 11, Vernon with 16, Sankes with 13 and Reid with 10 and Sheehy with 9. 

Rochester wins the battle of the boards by 1, 32-31.  Both teams shoot an identical 51% from the field, but Rochester shot significantly better from three point range and way better from the charity stripe.  The Yellowjackets with the clear edge on defense as well, though lots of steals and turnovers on both ends.

Klimek with 19, Bischoff, Aboona and Hoener with 11 each, Burt and Palucki with 10 each.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2013, 01:31:29 PM
The live stats suggest we have a tight game in NYC.  NYU leads Carnegie Mellon 56-53 with 0:35 seconds in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 13, 2013, 01:38:36 PM
Brandeis wins 77-58, 3-0 in UAA with next two weekends on the road.  Retos, Moten, Kalilou and Bartoldus all in double figures.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 13, 2013, 01:45:36 PM
Tough for Wash-U to overcome a FT differential like 32-36 for Rochester, 6-13 for the Bears.  Not going to complain about the officiating, since I watched the live stats updates. 

Otherwise, things were fairly even.  Rochester had an 11-9 edge in made 3s, and Wash-U had 8 more baskets overall than the Yellowjackets.  And, if the Bears can get 9 turnovers from DiBartolomeo and 22 overall from Rochester, then they put themselves in a decent position to win the game.

I suspect that Wash-U didn't get as many points from those turnovers as it should have.  Haven't seen those stats yet, but if the Bears got much less than a point per Rochester turnover, then that became a big obstacle to overcome.

It could be worse, Bears fans...like 0-3 worse to start the UAA slate.  Wash-U has to take care of business at home, with 6 of its next 8 games in the Fieldhouse.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 13, 2013, 01:50:21 PM
Brandeis is a very dangerous team, with balanced scoring and good defense.  The Judges got lost in the pre-season limelight shuffle, I suppose...but they will have a hand in deciding who wins the UAA.

Whoever can steal the most road wins might be the eventual victor this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2013, 02:10:05 PM
Emory destroys Chicago 79-48.  The Maroons shot 23 percent from the field including 3-14 from three point range.

With the first Friday-Sunday sequence in the books, the conference standings are as follows:

Rochester 3-0 (14-0)
Brandeis 3-0 (12-2)    
NYU 2-1 (12-2)
Washington 1-2 (11-3)
Emory 1-2 (9-4)    
Case Western 1-2 (8-6)
Chicago 1-2 (7-7)   
Carnegie Mellon 0-3 (3-11)    
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 13, 2013, 02:44:36 PM
UAA road wins so far, early in the conference slate:

Wash-U 1
Case-Western 1
Rest of the teams 0

Will be interesting to see this statistic unfolds in the next couple of weekends.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 13, 2013, 08:46:21 PM
Indeed, we'll see how they deal with the upcoming trips to Rochester and WashU.  Very deep team this year, Moten has worked into the lineup better and better and Retos has become a bit more than a stationary 3 point shooter. Dascy had a tough day today, need his boards and inside work.

long way to go before this year's UAA story is told!

H


Quote from: jaybird44 on January 13, 2013, 01:50:21 PM
Brandeis is a very dangerous team, with balanced scoring and good defense.  The Judges got lost in the pre-season limelight shuffle, I suppose...but they will have a hand in deciding who wins the UAA.

Whoever can steal the most road wins might be the eventual victor this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 14, 2013, 12:44:37 AM
Yep, and Brandeis gave Wash-U one of its only 3 defeats in the 2009-10 season, at the Fieldhouse. 

Can't wait for the upcoming weekend to see what happens...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 19, 2013, 09:57:51 AM
Final scores from Friday in the UAA:

Washington University over New York 68-59 while Brandeis defeats Chicago 59-55 in Hyde Park. Rochester over Carnegie Mellon 72-63 and Emory over Case Western 82-60.

Rochester and Brandeis with a two game lead over the next three teams.

The big game on Sunday will be Brandeis in St. Louis.
__________________________________

Good game in St. Louis last night with a game that started out much like the game last season.  NYU had a 9-2 and 15-4 lead with four three-pointers.  The Bears battled back to a three point half-time lead.  +10 on rebounds with Klimek, Hoener and Aboona scoring in double figures.

Note to Rob Burnett: if you get the ball with your back to the basket and you are not under the hoop, passing is always an option.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 19, 2013, 11:40:04 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on November 13, 2011, 04:27:14 PM
Mike McGrath and the U. of Chicago Maroons recently landed two huge recruits...

http://blogs.suntimes.com/hoopsreport/2011/11/a_true_recruiting_coup.html

A cursory glance at how the true recruiting coup looks on paper on games through January 18th.  For the freshmen:

Jordan Smith has started five times in 15 games, averaging 19 minutes, 9.4 ppg, 3.4 rpg. Led the team in scoring against Brandeis with 11.

Nate Brooks has played 10 games, averaging 21 minutes, 5.9 ppg, 5.8 rpg. Has not played since the last non-conference match-up against Alma.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 19, 2013, 01:10:26 PM
I'm not sure why Mike McGrath has benched Brooks, although he has a lot of older alternatives at forward. Smith is as good as advertised, although he still makes the usual freshman mistakes.

Very entertaining game at Ratner last night. Once Moten got hot early in the second half and erased what had been a fairly solid Chicago lead, I sensed that it would go down to the wire. In the end, it was Moten's ability to draw the double-team that led to the game's key shot, a trey by Alex Stoyle with 51 seconds left that expanded a three-point Judges lead to an insurmountable six. Moten also forced Royce Muskeyvalley to foul out, which really hurt the Maroons as well.

(P.S. I love the fact that the Chicago pep band plays the theme to Game Of Thrones. That's so U of C. I'll bet that half the band members can speak Dothraki, too. ;))
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 20, 2013, 03:51:57 PM
Rochester and Brandeis return home today with a two game lead on the rest of the conference at 5-0 with Emory getting the win today and holding a 3-2 conference record.  Chicago, Washington and NYU at 2-3.

Brandeis gets a key road win over Washington University 67-62 after trailing at the half 25-21.  Slow start for both teams offensively.  The Bears had an ever so slight edge in rebounding (39-38) but went 15-30 from the charity stripe.  In conference statistics from yesterday show an obvious weakness with the Bears shooting 41-80 (FT-FTA) and opponents shooting 75-102.  Yikes!

Derek Retos (23 points) shot 12 times from three point range connecting on 6 off the bench, but the back and forth game turned for the last time on a Moton three as the shot clock expired and 1:19 on the game clock.

Klimek had a great game, scoring 18, but had to sit for stretches with foul trouble and Palucki who finished with 12 points and 9 rebounds.  Aboona was called on a bone-headed technical after getting fouled hard and tossing the ball back at the defender.

Emory and Rochester host Brandeis next Friday and Sunday with Brandeis hosting Emory and Rochester the following weekend.  Hard to imagine that we have something more than a two way dogfight for the championship, but we will see how Emory responds.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 20, 2013, 04:47:56 PM
Moton 3 was huge, well covered too. Retos still on fire.

If Brandeis plays well next weekend, they are in good shape. Top 25 rank next?

Quote from: WUH on January 20, 2013, 03:51:57 PM
Rochester and Brandeis return home today with a two game lead on the rest of the conference at 5-0 with Emory getting the win today and holding a 3-2 conference record.  Chicago, Washington and NYU at 2-3.

Brandeis gets a key road win over Washington University 67-62 after trailing at the half 25-21.  Slow start for both teams offensively.  The Bears had an ever so slight edge in rebounding (39-38) but went 15-30 from the charity stripe.  In conference statistics from yesterday show an obvious weakness with the Bears shooting 41-80 (FT-FTA) and opponents shooting 75-102.  Yikes!

Derek Retos (23 points) shot 12 times from three point range connecting on 6 off the bench, but the back and forth game turned for the last time on a Moton three as the shot clock expired and 1:19 on the game clock.

Klimek had a great game, scoring 18, but had to sit for stretches with foul trouble and Palucki who finished with 12 points and 9 rebounds.  Aboona was called on a bone-headed technical after getting fouled hard and tossing the ball back at the defender.

Emory and Rochester host Brandeis next Friday and Sunday with Brandeis hosting Emory and Rochester the following weekend.  Hard to imagine that we have something more than a two way dogfight for the championship, but we will see how Emory responds.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 21, 2013, 09:52:49 PM
Quote from: howardjp on January 20, 2013, 04:47:56 PM
If Brandeis plays well next weekend, they are in good shape. Top 25 rank next?

Brandeis breaks through with a No. 19 ranking in the latest D3Hoops.com Top 25 Poll.  The Judges rank No. 15 in the Massey Ratings.  No. 1 St. Thomas remains ahead of No. 2 Rochester in both the poll and Massey.  Washington University barely in the poll at No. 24, but slightly better according to Massey at No. 22.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 25, 2013, 10:36:11 AM
Free Allen Karon! Brandeis travels to Emory tonight and Rochester on Sunday in critical road games with a chance to take lead in the UAA race. It is time for your triumphant return to D3boards.com.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 25, 2013, 01:14:13 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 25, 2013, 10:36:11 AM
Free Allen Karon! Brandeis travels to Emory tonight and Rochester on Sunday in critical road games with a chance to take lead in the UAA race. It is time for your triumphant return to D3boards.com.

I've been wondering where Allen is......
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: 7express on January 25, 2013, 03:00:43 PM
I say Brandeis and Rochester split with each winning at home.
I would have to say Emory has to go at least 3-1 to stay in the race the next 2 weeks??  Is the game vs. Rochester at the end of the year in Rochester or Atlanta for Emory??
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 25, 2013, 05:30:26 PM
Quote from: 7express on January 25, 2013, 03:00:43 PM
I say Brandeis and Rochester split with each winning at home.
I would have to say Emory has to go at least 3-1 to stay in the race the next 2 weeks??  Is the game vs. Rochester at the end of the year in Rochester or Atlanta for Emory??

Atlanta
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 25, 2013, 05:56:22 PM
I saw a tweet from him wishing the team well.

@deiscanton of course


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Quote from: WUH on January 25, 2013, 10:36:11 AM
Free Allen Karon! Brandeis travels to Emory tonight and Rochester on Sunday in critical road games with a chance to take lead in the UAA race. It is time for your triumphant return to D3boards.com.

I've been wondering where Allen is......
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 25, 2013, 06:33:11 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 25, 2013, 01:14:13 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 25, 2013, 10:36:11 AM
Free Allen Karon! Brandeis travels to Emory tonight and Rochester on Sunday in critical road games with a chance to take lead in the UAA race. It is time for your triumphant return to D3boards.com.

I've been wondering where Allen is......

Me, too. I was just thinking about Allen last weekend when I was at the Brandeis @ Chicago game. Hope he's doing well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 25, 2013, 09:36:51 PM
If he was watching tonight's game, he would be a disappointed fan, team had a five pt lead nearing the end of the first half, then Emory ran off 8 straight for a 3 point lead at the half.

Second half was mostly a disaster, Emory pulled in front by about 8, 'Deis fought back to tie at 40, I believe, then it was all Emory, Retos was off and non-Moten backcourt men got beat repeatedly on drives.  Late in the game, Moten went down and seems to have an ankle sprain, any additional info appreciated.

In all, a strange night for Brandeis, they looked jet lagged in 2nd half, Kalilou and Freeman didn't play, wondering if the flu bug might also be a possibility, or looking ahead to Rochester, or the dreaded D3Hoops.com "curse", having received a nice profile this week.

Hoping for a better showing in Rochester, a win there still brings them home in first via head to head.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 25, 2013, 06:33:11 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 25, 2013, 01:14:13 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 25, 2013, 10:36:11 AM
Free Allen Karon! Brandeis travels to Emory tonight and Rochester on Sunday in critical road games with a chance to take lead in the UAA race. It is time for your triumphant return to D3boards.com.

I've been wondering where Allen is......

Me, too. I was just thinking about Allen last weekend when I was at the Brandeis @ Chicago game. Hope he's doing well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 26, 2013, 02:28:29 AM
Wash-U prevailed 84-76 @ Carnegie.  Six Bears were in double figures, led by Rob Burnett's 17.  That balance was very much needed, as the Tartans were 9-11 shooting from the start of the game.  WU had to fight back from an 18-8 deficit to take a 3-point halftime lead.  The pesky Tartans had another strong start shooting the ball in the 2nd half, but the patient Bears got some 3s from Alan Aboona and Tim Cooney, slices to the basket by Ben Hoener, and customary scoring from Chris Klimek and Matt Palucki.

Wash-U needs to start building momentum and put some pressure on the trio ahead of it in the UAA.  A good win tonight, and the Red & Green Express rolls on to Cleveland to visit Case and to see if some more coal can be added to stoke WashU's engine.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 26, 2013, 06:52:36 AM
Quote from: howardjp on January 25, 2013, 09:36:51 PM
If he was watching tonight's game, he would be a disappointed fan, team had a five pt lead nearing the end of the first half, then Emory ran off 8 straight for a 3 point lead at the half.

Second half was mostly a disaster, Emory pulled in front by about 8, 'Deis fought back to tie at 40, I believe, then it was all Emory, Retos was off and non-Moten backcourt men got beat repeatedly on drives.  Late in the game, Moten went down and seems to have an ankle sprain, any additional info appreciated.

In all, a strange night for Brandeis, they looked jet lagged in 2nd half, Kalilou and Freeman didn't play, wondering if the flu bug might also be a possibility, or looking ahead to Rochester, or the dreaded D3Hoops.com "curse", having received a nice profile this week.

Hoping for a better showing in Rochester, a win there still brings them home in first via head to head.

Better but not too good!  :D

One of the best games I've ever watched was the Brandeis/Rochester game in 08 when UofR was ranked #1 and Brandeis #2
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 26, 2013, 10:23:25 AM
Quote from: howardjp on January 25, 2013, 09:36:51 PM
Hoping for a better showing in Rochester, a win there still brings them home in first via head to head.

I think I am going to go ahead and pay the $6.95 to watch this game.  It should be a great game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 26, 2013, 10:50:39 AM
Quote from: jaybird44 on January 26, 2013, 02:28:29 AM
That balance was very much needed, as the Tartans were 9-11 shooting from the start of the game. 

And 7-13 from three point range in the first half, but fortunately Carnegie cooled off a little in the second, and shot 44 percent for the game. 

Washington University ranks 291 in perimeter defense with opponents (including non-conference) shooting a combined 35 percent.  Brandeis at 95 and Rochester at 114 lead the league in this regard.

The Bears amazingly shot 19-25 from the charity stripe last night.  Night and day from the way shot against Rochester and Brandeis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 26, 2013, 03:23:04 PM
Ironically, I'm going to the Celtics - Miami game as part of a Brandeis Alumni event, was kidding yesterday that we should get a "Deis-Rochester feed up in the suite!

feed
Quote from: WUH on January 26, 2013, 10:23:25 AM
Quote from: howardjp on January 25, 2013, 09:36:51 PM
Hoping for a better showing in Rochester, a win there still brings them home in first via head to head.

I think I am going to go ahead and pay the $6.95 to watch this game.  It should be a great game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2013, 11:53:54 AM
Case Western Reserve and Washington University 34-34 at the half.  The Bears pushed the lead early but the Spartans pushed back with Klimek on the bench and 6-10 shooting from three point range.

The Spartans are wearing throw-back uniforms with the Case Institute of Technology logo.  The women are set to wear Western Reserve College uniforms.

No word yet on whether or not they will sport the Fat Man with a Surf Board logo next weekend. 

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fthumb%2F9%2F9e%2FCaseLogo.svg%2F800px-CaseLogo.svg.png&hash=e602d391529d9594f5379da5119eec82c55b9c53)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2013, 12:56:59 PM
Washington University defeats Case Western Reserve 74-69 in Cleveland.  The Spartans had a few chances to tie the game late.  The Spartans shot well from three point range (11-21) and defended well, but the Bears again had a big rebounding advantage (38-24) and shot 54% from the field (and 10-12 free throws). 

Rob Burnett may have had his best conference road-trip with 13 points and 8 rebounds today to go with 17 points and 9 rebounds on Friday.  Palucki (11), Klimek (16) and Hoener (13) in double figures.

Dane McLoughlin and Tim Chung finishing with 18 and 14 points respectively to lead the Spartans.  Klements with 12.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2013, 01:01:39 PM
Brandeis leading Rochester in NY, 31-28 with 16 left in the game.  Rochester shooting under 30% at the moment.  DiBartolomeo trending way under his season average with 7 points.

Reset: Brandeis leads 50-45 with 6:48 left in the game.  Ben Bartoldus leads Brandeis with 18 while DiBartolomeo has 17.

Reset:Brandeis leads 50-49 with 5:15 left in the game.  DiBartolomeo has 21.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2013, 01:30:29 PM
DiBartolomeo finishes with 36 points to help Rochester fend off the upset bid.  Rochester over Brandeis 69-65.

Chicago takes Carnegie Mellon to overtime on a last second three, but the Tartans get their first conference win of the season 75-74.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 27, 2013, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 27, 2013, 01:30:29 PM
DiBartolomeo finishes with 36 points to help Rochester fend off the upset bid.  Rochester over Brandeis 69-65.

Chicago takes Carnegie Mellon to overtime on a last second three, but the Tartans get their first conference win of the season 75-74.

19/19 from the line.  Ice.......
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 27, 2013, 01:58:52 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 27, 2013, 01:01:39 PM
Brandeis leading Rochester in NY, 31-28 with 16 left in the game.  Rochester shooting under 30% at the moment.  DiBartolomeo trending way under his season average with 7 points.

Reset: Brandeis leads 50-45 with 6:48 left in the game.  Ben Bartoldus leads Brandeis with 18 while DiBartolomeo has 17.

Reset:Brandeis leads 50-49 with 5:15 left in the game. DiBartolomeo has 21.

Quote from: WUH on January 27, 2013, 01:30:29 PM
DiBartolomeo finishes with 36 points to help Rochester fend off the upset bid.  Rochester over Brandeis 69-65.

Chicago takes Carnegie Mellon to overtime on a last second three, but the Tartans get their first conference win of the season 75-74.

So he scored 15 points in the last 5 minutes of the game.  Nice!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 27, 2013, 02:04:25 PM
Congrats to Rochester on the win today.  I am down in Maryland visiting my brother, my sister-in-law, and my two nieces this weekend, but I followed both Brandeis games this weekend on line.  My computer at home is not working like it used to, so I have not been posting on the d3boards as much.   Tough weekend for the Brandeis men, but I will be back at the Auerbach Arena next weekend cheering the Judges on.   John DiBartolomeo just put on an Andy Enfield-esque performance in the 2nd half.  (1990's reference to a former UAA player from Johns Hopkins with a killer FT percentage.) 

Great game today.   Hoping for another great one next Sunday, and a different outc
ome-- although that will be tough.

When I get back home tomorrow, I may comment during the week from the library.

0-2 for the 'Deis men this week.   Hopefully, Deis will get some wins at home next week.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 27, 2013, 02:10:22 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 27, 2013, 02:04:25 PM
Congrats to Rochester on the win today.  I am down in Maryland visiting my brother, my sister-in-law, and my two nieces this weekend, but I followed both Brandeis games this weekend on line.  My computer at home is not working like it used to, so I have not been posting on the d3boards as much.   Tough weekend for the Brandeis men, but I will be back at the Auerbach Arena next weekend cheering the Judges on.   John DiBartolomeo just put on an Andy Enfield-esque performance in the 2nd half.  (1990's reference to a former UAA player from Johns Hopkins with a killer FT percentage.) 

Great game today.   Hoping for another great one next Sunday, and a different outc
ome-- although that will be tough.

When I get back home tomorrow, I may comment during the week from the library.

0-2 for the 'Deis men this week.   Hopefully, Deis will get some wins at home next week.

Good to hear from you Allen
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2013, 04:29:02 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 27, 2013, 02:04:25 PM
When I get back home tomorrow, I may comment during the week from the library.

The man is back!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2013, 04:36:51 PM
The headline from the local Rochester NBC affiliate: University of Rochester tops Brandeis; In line to be No. 1 team in country.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 27, 2013, 08:24:19 PM
Good to hear from you Allen
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Ditto! So close today, looking forward to next Sunday!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 27, 2013, 10:02:14 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 27, 2013, 11:53:54 AM
Case Western Reserve and Washington University 34-34 at the half.  The Bears pushed the lead early but the Spartans pushed back with Klimek on the bench and 6-10 shooting from three point range.

The Spartans are wearing throw-back uniforms with the Case Institute of Technology logo.  The women are set to wear Western Reserve College uniforms.

No word yet on whether or not they will sport the Fat Man with a Surf Board logo next weekend. 

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fthumb%2F9%2F9e%2FCaseLogo.svg%2F800px-CaseLogo.svg.png&hash=e602d391529d9594f5379da5119eec82c55b9c53)

The men wore WRU on Friday.  The women wore Mather College both days.  Women competed as Mather College of CWRU until 71-72.  The "fat man" lasted only a few years.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 27, 2013, 10:12:59 PM
But you got me in a squeeze play on the cheesy side of town.
Throw me a line, now show me a sign.
Cause there's a fat man with a surfboard with the blues.
I hear you moan, I hear you moan, I hear you moan.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 28, 2013, 10:25:48 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on January 27, 2013, 10:02:14 PM
The men wore WRU on Friday.  The women wore Mather College both days.  Women competed as Mather College of CWRU until 71-72.  The "fat man" lasted only a few years.

Thanks for the correction. I did not get a chance to watch the Women play on Sunday.  I do love the fat man logo.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 28, 2013, 10:30:09 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 27, 2013, 10:12:59 PM
But you got me in a squeeze play on the cheesy side of town.
Throw me a line, now show me a sign.
Cause there's a fat man with a surfboard with the blues.
I hear you moan, I hear you moan, I hear you moan.

+1 You should spend more time in the UAA thread.

Incidentally, it looks like Nate Brooks is back in the rotation for Chicago, playing a combined 20 minutes over the weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2013, 02:08:25 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 27, 2013, 02:04:25 PM
Congrats to Rochester on the win today.  I am down in Maryland visiting my brother, my sister-in-law, and my two nieces this weekend, but I followed both Brandeis games this weekend on line.  My computer at home is not working like it used to, so I have not been posting on the d3boards as much.   Tough weekend for the Brandeis men, but I will be back at the Auerbach Arena next weekend cheering the Judges on.   John DiBartolomeo just put on an Andy Enfield-esque performance in the 2nd half.  (1990's reference to a former UAA player from Johns Hopkins with a killer FT percentage.) 

Great game today.   Hoping for another great one next Sunday, and a different outc
ome-- although that will be tough.

When I get back home tomorrow, I may comment during the week from the library.

0-2 for the 'Deis men this week.   Hopefully, Deis will get some wins at home next week.

Will you be at Brandeis on Sunday, Allen? I will be.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 28, 2013, 05:02:59 PM
Will you be at Brandeis on Sunday, Allen? I will be.
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Look forward to being there and maybe even meeting one of these D3 legends! Should be a barn burner. Congrats to Rochester on attaining the #1 slot. 'Deis hangs on at #25.

So .. remember what happened last week when #1 Duke traveled to #25 Miami? That would be heaven!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 28, 2013, 05:13:32 PM
Quote from: howardjp on January 28, 2013, 05:02:59 PM
Will you be at Brandeis on Sunday, Allen? I will be.


Look forward to being there and maybe even meeting one of these D3 legends! Should be a barn burner. Congrats to Rochester on attaining the #1 slot. 'Deis hangs on at #25.

So .. remember what happened last week when #1 Duke traveled to #25 Miami? That would be heaven!
[/quote]

Or hell, depending    :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 01, 2013, 11:00:08 AM
Maybe limbo :)

:)
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 28, 2013, 05:13:32 PM
Quote from: howardjp on January 28, 2013, 05:02:59 PM
Will you be at Brandeis on Sunday, Allen? I will be.


Look forward to being there and maybe even meeting one of these D3 legends! Should be a barn burner. Congrats to Rochester on attaining the #1 slot. 'Deis hangs on at #25.

So .. remember what happened last week when #1 Duke traveled to #25 Miami? That would be heaven!

Or hell, depending    :D
[/quote]
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 02, 2013, 09:57:08 AM
The boards are back!

And so are the Judges, led by Alex Stoyle's 27 points and a load of boards, he really carried the team last night. final was 72-67 over Emory.

Congrats to NYU on their win over Rochester, so 'Deis doesn't have a chance to give Rochester their first loss, but the UAA implications of this game are now higher.

Note to WBRS - upgrade your broadcast, please

Note to coach - find Jay Freeman! Backcourt got burned by bad defense a number of times (not Moten).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 02, 2013, 10:04:52 AM
New York defeats Rochester 65-51.

I did not expect the undefeated record and No. 1 ranking to last through weekends five and six with road games at Brandeis and Washington University, but I really did not expect it all to end with a fourteen point loss to NYU.

I did not watch that game, but notable stats include NYU shooting 52 percent from the field and 57 percent from three point range on 8-14 shooting compared with 35 percent and 6-20 shooting from three point range for Rochester. 

DiBartomoleo was held to 12 points (half his season average) while Tana, Yaffe and Stockmal scored 18, 17 and 14 for New York.  Vernon was the only other Yellowjacket in double figures with 11.  Tyler Sankes, who has been an offensive threat off the bench finished with 0.
_______________________

The 90-72 win by Washington University over Carnegie Mellon can only be adequately described with an overused cliche.  How about the: the Bears were firing on all cylinders.

Carnegie Mellon never had an answer for Klimek who scored 24 and had some highlight reel moves thanks in part to highlight reel assists.  Rob Burnett is on a three game hot streak.  Hoener, Aboona, Cooney, Palucki, the usual...

Carnegie Mellon has a big game from Asad Meghani and looked much better than the 4-15 record but I doubt they will get an big upset this season (like last year against Emory) and may finish with 1-3 wins.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 02, 2013, 11:01:15 AM
Also, the presser said that over 1,920 turned out for the NYU-Rochester game.  That is a massive UAA crowd.  Bravo NYU!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 02, 2013, 11:43:58 AM
Indeed, kudos to the Violets for the win and the big crowd!  Wash-U should have a big crowd of its own next Friday on Eliot Night.  I'm told a certain someone American Idol contestant will be singing the national anthem...

Both the Wash-U men and women played what I thought were the best 1st halves of basketball all season.  The Bears' men end up with 28 assists and only 7 turnovers, and held Carnegie to 3-15 shooting from 3-point land in the 2nd half.  Overall, they held the Tartans to under 40% shooting.

With Rochester's loss tightening the UAA standings, Wash-U is in a good situation--with 4 of its last 6 games at home.  But, can't take anything for granted.  Case first, tomorrow.  Then, Emory and Rochester at home next weekend...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Charles on February 02, 2013, 04:23:40 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on February 02, 2013, 11:43:58 AM
Indeed, kudos to the Violets for the win and the big crowd!  Wash-U should have a big crowd of its own next Friday on Eliot Night.  I'm told a certain someone American Idol contestant will be singing the national anthem...

Both the Wash-U men and women played what I thought were the best 1st halves of basketball all season.  The Bears' men end up with 28 assists and only 7 turnovers, and held Carnegie to 3-15 shooting from 3-point land in the 2nd half.  Overall, they held the Tartans to under 40% shooting.

With Rochester's loss tightening the UAA standings, Wash-U is in a good situation--with 4 of its last 6 games at home.  But, can't take anything for granted.  Case first, tomorrow.  Then, Emory and Rochester at home next weekend...

So not impressed with Rochester. Not sure how they became #1. NYU played great all night. Quicker on offense and defense the whole game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 03, 2013, 12:53:25 PM
Rochester leads Brandeis in Waltham, 32-20 at the half with a late run. 'Deis seems listless so far, biggest problem is 2 early fouls on Alex Stoyle, the hero of Friday night's win. Team is getting little from Moten, Retos and Dascy so far.  Again, no Jay Freeman, no Alex Schmidt (am I missing something?).

Refs calling a lot on both teams as the best players on both teams have had to sit for a while. Gentlemen, the game is not about you.

In thinking about the second half, I can just ponder the word of Gene Hackman in the Replacements as his team was losing - "Coach, what do you think in the 2nd half? Heart, miles and miles and miles of heart"

We'll see ...

Question for Alan, or Pat, or anyone at game - is there a crowd? can't tell from the video.

Note to WBRS - thank you for the upgraded broadcast, a fellow alum also noted the unlistenable game on Friday
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 03, 2013, 01:18:02 PM
Bang! Bang! Stoyle and Retos 3's and we have a 5 point game with 7 to play.

Update - still 5 with 2:49 TO, Retos missed a tying 3, then lost the ball for a DB layup, still up for grabs ...

In the end, congrats to Rochester, Judges played about 8-10 minutes of solid hustling ball, that took them to down one, before falling back.  Alex Stoyle's presence in the 2nd half was a major factor in the run, as well as putting Gabe Moten on DB.  Stoyle is clearly the "go to" guy at this point.

What does Brandeis need at this point for post season consideration:

1. Due diligence on next weekend's road trip to Case and Carnegie, no slip ups;
2. Hold court at home, especially vs Wash U
3. Beware the last game at NYU, which may be the decider.
4. Come up with a better rotation of players, going 4 on five on offense doesn't work, nor does lackadaisical work inside.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 03, 2013, 05:49:19 PM
Washington University completes the season sweep of Carnegie Mellon and Case Western Reserve.  The Bears had a much easier go of it than a week ago.  The Spartans had three players in double figures, but only shot 3-16 from free point range compared to 11-21 a week ago.  Overall, two good tune-ups for next week when Emory and Rochester visit the Field House.

Klimek was quiet today, but spent much of the game on the bench, only to return when the Bears were pulling away.  Aboona led all scorers with 18 and Rob Burnett had yet another big game (16 points, 11 rebounds).  I am beginning to think that Matt Palucki may prove to be the best player in the UAA to never earn Athlete of the Week accolades.  He plays more minutes than anyone on the team and averages 10 points and 8-9 rebounds.  I would prefer he shoot a few less from 17-18 feet, but otherwise, consistently good in nearly ever regard.
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Rochester returns home with a two game lead at 8-2 with Washington University, Brandeis, and Emory all tied up at 6-3.  Rochester visits Chicago and Washington University next weekend and Emory in the final weekend of conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 08, 2013, 10:21:14 PM
ok, if someone could explain what just went on out in Pittsburgh, I'd appreciate it

No Moten, no Stoyle, No Trapasso, Bartoldus sits out most of the game with an injury, and the Judges come back out of nowhere the last few minutes to beat Carnegie - Mellon, 73-68, saving themselves what would have been a very bad loss.

Brandeis was down by 12 points with 3:17 left and 9 points at 2:03, what followed was 8 points by Jay Freeman, (remember him?), some atrocious C-M play including turnovers and missed free throws, some clutch Dascy scoring and free throws by Smith and Arnold to finish it -- 17 points with slightly less than 2 minutes!

Since I was watching the Carnegie - Mellon feed, there was no info on why the others didn't play. Moten I can understand, has had trouble with the ankle, I believe, but the others.  Oh well, never mind.

On to Case, as this bizarre weather weekend in New England gets complimented by a truly amazing finish in Pittsburgh.

Addendum -- Wash U beats Emory by 3, putting 'Deis into 2nd via head to head. Wash U now hosts Rochester Sunday, then travels to Waltham the week after.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 09, 2013, 12:30:16 AM
Rochester defeats Chicago, 68-57 after trailing the Maroons throughout the first and through the first 10 minutes of the second.  DiBartolomeo finishes with a mere 10 points while Kevin Sheehy and Tyler Seideman shoot for 20 and 16 respectively.  The stat sheet looks the same on both sides except for one key category: free throw shooting.

_______________________

Washington University over Emory, 68-63.  A sluggish start for both teams in front of a crowd of over 1,600.  The Bears, at one point, seemed in danger of finishing the half with more turnovers than points (and more rebounds than points).  Emory was tough on defense, for sure, but I am not sure if I have ever seen the Coach look so upset before.

Washington University mostly cleaned things up in the second, but continued to rebound finishing +12 thanks in large part to Rob Burnett who finished with 15.  The second half was intense with lots of runs and more great defense.  Nick "Two First Names" Burt may have had the game of his career finishing with 12 points on 6-7 shooting and 6 rebounds in a quick 18 minutes, mostly in the second half.  Notably, Washington University shot 14-19 from the three throw line.

McPherson Moore, from St. Louis (MICDS), finished with 15 points to lead Emory while Jake Davis and Alex Greven finished well below their season and conference averages with 9 (18) and 8 (16) points respectively.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 09, 2013, 12:55:32 AM
Rochester has a two game lead on both Brandeis and Washington University.  The latter teams both need Rochester to lose in St. Louis on Sunday and Atlanta in the season finale to have a chance at the title.

The Yellowjackets have earned the road win in St. Louis seemingly every other year for several years, including the one point win over the national champions in 2008-2009.  But, you never know with Sundays in the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 09, 2013, 12:59:49 AM
My apologies.  I picked WashU over Rochester in Sunday's game.  The way my picks are going in the national pickems this year, that probably guarantees a Rochester win. ::)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 09, 2013, 11:02:40 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 09, 2013, 12:59:49 AM
My apologies.  I picked WashU over Rochester in Sunday's game.  The way my picks are going in the national pickems this year, that probably guarantees a Rochester win.

No need to apologize.  Or, maybe this apology is what was need for the home team to get the win.  It is only weird if it does not work, right?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 09, 2013, 11:17:36 AM
DiBartolomeo watch: a quick look at how the man compares to others in Division III.

No. 1 in three-point field goal percentage (53%).
No. 3 in free-throw percentage (92%).
No. 7 in points per game (23)
No. 15 in assists per game (6).
No. 17 in assists to turnover ratio.

Notably, he has taken more free-throws than all but three players in the top 50 with 151 attempts.  A key factor in the game on Sunday, it seems, will be defending DiBartolomeo while keeping fouls to a minimum.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 09, 2013, 12:56:36 PM
Don't know if that would be enough for Brandeis to catch Rochester, 2 games back and 0-2 gives tiebreaker to U of R.  Even if there were a three way tie, I think Rochester still gets the tiebreaker.

Quote from: WUH on February 09, 2013, 12:55:32 AM
Rochester has a two game lead on both Brandeis and Washington University.  The latter teams both need Rochester to lose in St. Louis on Sunday and Atlanta in the season finale to have a chance at the title.

The Yellowjackets have earned the road win in St. Louis seemingly every other year for several years, including the one point win over the national champions in 2008-2009.  But, you never know with Sundays in the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 09, 2013, 03:58:18 PM
Quote from: howardjp on February 09, 2013, 12:56:36 PM
Don't know if that would be enough for Brandeis to catch Rochester, 2 games back and 0-2 gives tiebreaker to U of R.  Even if there were a three way tie, I think Rochester still gets the tiebreaker.

Indeed, Brandeis would need more than a Rochester loss in St. Louis and Atlanta.  Thanks for the correction.

If Washington University wins on Sunday and we end up with a two-way or three-way tie, I forget how this works, Rochester wins outright or co-champions are crowned but Rochester gets the bid by way of defending their how court?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 10, 2013, 12:41:26 PM
Here we go again, Brandeis trails Case in Cleveland, 26-18 at the half.  Gabe Moten is back, but Stoyle and Trapasso still out with the flu.  Bartoldus is injured and Retos hurt an ankle while heading to the basket early on (!) 'Deis has a 12-7 lead around then, but offense has stalled.  Coach Meehan still looking for the hot hand.

It will probably be tough to have a 3 way tie given Brandeis' difficulties with Rochester, and the 'Deis - Wash U matchup next week. On head to head, I think if all else is equal (1-1 vs each other), it goes to teams you've beaten/lost to and their comparative records, i.e. losing to CMU is worse than NYU.

More in a bit.

Quote from: WUH on February 09, 2013, 03:58:18 PM
Quote from: howardjp on February 09, 2013, 12:56:36 PM
Don't know if that would be enough for Brandeis to catch Rochester, 2 games back and 0-2 gives tiebreaker to U of R.  Even if there were a three way tie, I think Rochester still gets the tiebreaker.

Indeed, Brandeis would need more than a Rochester loss in St. Louis and Atlanta.  Thanks for the correction.

If Washington University wins on Sunday and we end up with a two-way or three-way tie, I forget how this works, Rochester wins outright or co-champions are crowned but Rochester gets the bid by way of defending their how court?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 10, 2013, 01:34:48 PM
Brandeis goes down 56-47, despite scoring the last 12 points of the game on 3 Jay Freeman 3's and one by Youri Dascy (!). Just no offense with the aforementioned players out.  Kalilou also got banged up during the game (stitches?)

Back home next week for Chicago and Wash U, next Sunday's game may decide 2nd place.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 10, 2013, 08:15:41 PM
Hyperbole alert!

Washington University destroys Rochester, 72-53, capitalizing on a couple of runs to establish a 19-20 point lead that they held for most of the second half.  Easily the best game the team has played all year and maybe the best team effort in years, especially on defense.  Not to mention, another big rebounding margin (+14).

Cooney along with Aboona and Hoener had DiBartolomeo all tied up for much of the game, holding him to 5-19 shooting and two three-pointers for the game.  Rochester had 17 three-point attempts in the second half, most off passes from a double-teamed DiBartolomeo, but no could seem to knock them down as the Yellowjackets shot 23 percent for the game.
_______________________

A quick note on the officials: I have probably lost more karma over my comments about the officials than I will ever earn, but I think the last four games at home have been among the best officiated games I have seen in the Field House. 

I did not get to see the women play today, but the box score has 19 fouls on Washington University and 27 on Rochester with three players fouling out.  Jay Murry: what the hell happened?
_______________________

In other action, Carnegie Mellon got their second win of the season with a 56-55 win over NYU at home.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on February 10, 2013, 10:23:13 PM
Per WUH's statement about the officiating

Officials: Bill Westbrooks, Al Green, Scott Wilkerson.    the crew who worked today's Wash U game, and MANY SLIAC games

In my opinion far and away the best officiating crew in St Louis area D3 hoops.... 

Even Coach Edwards found little to hollar about today, and I saw the Rochester coach question only one or two calls all day....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 11, 2013, 12:11:00 AM
The three officials that hopefan referenced did NOT work the women's game.  The crew for the women's game was very poor.  Obvious bumps, elbows, handchecks, free-arms leveraged by dribbling guards were overlooked by officials three feet away from the plays...while very slight phantom touches were whistled by a ref 20-30 feet away and behind the play, out of position.

There were also a handful of occurrances when two officials ruled correctly for one team, and the third (farthest from the play) gave the incorrect call...and the incorrect call stood.  Very inconsistent and incompetent.  There were 12 total fouls called in the first half, due to the crew's overlooking rather obvious contact made by players of both teams.  Then, the phantom fouls were called, to the tune of 34 fouls in the 2nd half.

I am usually very complimentary of officials, knowing that their job is a tough and thankless one.  I give them the benefit of the doubt, since they have a better look than I do from my vantage point on the mezzanine.  At each home game this season, I felt the officiating was satisfactory to very good from game to game.  And, as hopefan mentioned, the trio of officials that worked the men's game was excellent.  But this crew for the women's game was IMHO so poor, that they could've replaced by a Rochester fan, a Wash-U fan, and an impartial observer sitting in the bleachers and the game would've benefited greatly by the change.

With that said, Rochester deserved to win today.  They played well with a swagger from the opening tip and didn't falter.  Shot the lights out from 3-point range at a 55% clip, after entering the game with a season performance average of 29%.  The Bears seemed tentative and didn't adjust well mentally to the whims of the officials.  It's a learning experience--sometimes we forget that most of the Wash-U ladies are freshmen and sophomores, and are prone to have a tough game now and then. 

But, there is no more margin for error.  Wash-U needs to win the 3 remaining games to have a shot at the UAA crown, and to build a strong resume for a Pool C bid if the crown eludes its grasp.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on February 12, 2013, 12:10:10 PM
One of the things that I noticed in watching Wash U's win over Rochester is that only 2 seniors, Rob Burnett  and Ben Hoener saw significant time... With 6th man Nick Burt returning (he would be a starter on many teams), a starting lineup of 2 guards (Aboona, Cooney) and 3 athletic forwards (Klimek, Burt, Paluki) seems logical for next season... and very good....  with Guard Kevin bischoff coming off the bench to fill Hoerner's role, Coach Mark Edwards just needs to find the right guy off his bench to man the middle and give the 3 forwards a break when they need it...   Wash U is certainly a viable top 10 candidate for next year....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 15, 2013, 09:29:14 PM
Good evening!

Brandeis brings it home over Chicago, 75-56, after running away to a 44-19 lead at the half. Alex Stoyle's return was huge as he tallied 28 pts on 80% (!) shooting.  Jay Freeman was 5-5 in 3's, continuing his hot shooting.

So 'Deis does their job going into the big game on Sunday, Emory is also winning big, watching to see what happens w/Rochester and Wash U ....who are in close games as of now.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 15, 2013, 10:06:21 PM
NYU holds on against WashU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 15, 2013, 10:33:39 PM
Quote from: Hugenerd on February 15, 2013, 10:06:21 PM
NYU holds on against WashU.

and so we have a three way tie for 2nd ...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 15, 2013, 10:52:01 PM
Quote from: Hugenerd on February 15, 2013, 10:06:21 PM
NYU holds on against WashU.

Another longtime UAA poster returns after an extended absence.  Welcome back--even if it was to make the announcement that my team lost.  The 4-8 NYU Violets break a three game losing streak (going back to their upset win over then No. 1 Rochester) to get the 86-82 win over Washington University.

NYU opened up an 8-0 run to start a game that would go back and forth and back and forth some more in a game the Violets led beginning to end.  A tough road loss for a Washington University squad that is ranked No. 2 in the latest regional rankings.

In other games, Rochester gets a four point win over Carnegie Mellon 81-77 and Emory over Case Western Reserve.  Rochester will probably clinch the title on Sunday at Case Western Reserve.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 15, 2013, 11:06:14 PM
Yeah, its been a while.  Although I played in the UAA, it has been 8 years since I graduated and after going to grad school at a NEWMAC school and being a grad assistant there, my primary allegiance has changed somewhat.  In any case, my alma mater has been terrible the last 4 years and hasn't given me much to cheer about, but they did almost get a big upset tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 17, 2013, 11:49:21 AM
Yikes, Brandeis down at half 34-23, Stoyle and Freeman, who were red hot vs Chicago, can't hit a shot so far.  Coach Meehan went deep into the bench for Williams, who committed two consecutive turnovers for 4 pts.

Gut check team, don't worry about who's not playing, worry about the effort of who is. Team needs scoring right now, and can't afford to play the non-shooters.

Good luck!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 17, 2013, 12:07:29 PM
This officiating crew is not very good.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 17, 2013, 12:46:42 PM
that we can agree on! congrats on the win, turned it off before the end, Judges needed to fire on all cylendars today and couldn't find the will or the way. Team will have one more go at it with the seniors next year, then will really need to start over after that.

Anyway, give it the best shot at NYU, and cross fingers.


Quote from: WUH on February 17, 2013, 12:07:29 PM
This officiating crew is not very good.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 17, 2013, 01:26:48 PM
Case Western is up 8 on Rochester with 6 minutes to play.

http://www.sidearmstats.com/rochester/mbball/scoreboard.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 17, 2013, 01:34:16 PM
Quote from: Hugenerd on February 17, 2013, 01:26:48 PM
Case Western is up 8 on Rochester with 6 minutes to play.

http://www.sidearmstats.com/rochester/mbball/scoreboard.aspx

I have been following that game as well.  Case Western Reserve with the four point lead with less than two to go.  DiBartomoleo with 10 points on 3-15 shooting.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 17, 2013, 01:38:34 PM
NYU with yet another letdown at home.  Chicago with the 64-51 win. 

Emory over Carnegie Mellon 84-61 returns home with a non-league match-up on Tuesday and Rochester on Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 17, 2013, 01:48:57 PM
That is a final in Rochester--Case Western Reserve defeats Rochester 57-51 with a career game by Tim Chung (21 points, 7 rebounds).

EDIT: Chung almost had a career game in scoring (22 against Oberlin) but considering the opponent, this performance has to be special.

Sundays are crazy in the UAA!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on February 17, 2013, 02:35:08 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 17, 2013, 01:48:57 PM
That is a final in Rochester--Case Western Reserve defeats Rochester 57-51 with a career game by Tim Chung (21 points, 7 rebounds).

EDIT: Chung almost had a career game in scoring (22 against Oberlin) but considering the opponent, this performance has to be special.

Sundays are crazy in the UAA!
Read game write-up below Case won this game short handed using just six players
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=639.3360 (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=639.3360)
Rochester now 3-3 over last six games
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 17, 2013, 03:31:45 PM
I guess the blueprint is set, to beat Rochester on their homecourt while losing the turnover battle by 12, all you have to do is hold Dibartolomeo to 3-17 shooting, hold the team to under 34% from the field and to just 12% from 3.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 17, 2013, 04:00:36 PM
Quote from: iwumichigander on February 17, 2013, 02:35:08 PM
Read game write-up below Case won this game short handed using just six players.

I read the write-up as well and was surprised they did not mention (unless I missed it) that the win today ended the 35 game home win streak by the Yellowjackets.

Rochester is looking a bit one-dimensional these days.  DiBartomoleo shot for 38 points on Friday to stave off the upset, but had he scored closer to his season average, Carnegie Mellon--who was within two points with 22 seconds on the clock--may have ended that streak at 34.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 17, 2013, 05:09:13 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 17, 2013, 04:00:36 PM
Quote from: iwumichigander on February 17, 2013, 02:35:08 PM
Read game write-up below Case won this game short handed using just six players.

I read the write-up as well and was surprised they did not mention (unless I missed it) that the win today ended the 35 game home win streak by the Yellowjackets.

Rochester is looking a bit one-dimensional these days.  DiBartomoleo shot for 38 points on Friday to stave off the upset, but had he scored closer to his season average, Carnegie Mellon--who was within two points with 22 seconds on the clock--may have ended that streak at 34.

Four of the six who played have seen little playing time this year.  I haven't heard a reason, but CWRU gave up 106 to Emory on Friday.

The recap was from the CWRU site, Rochester's likely will mention the streak.

http://www.uofrathletics.com/news/2013/2/17/MBB_0217133040.aspx?path=mbball

Didn't mention the streak... said two Spartan starters were suspended (but only one starter played).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 17, 2013, 05:36:01 PM
IF Emory beats Rochester and WashU beats Chicago, the UAA ends in a three-way tie.  I'm unfamiliar with the conference's tie-breaks, but if (as is fairly typical in other conferences) it goes h-to-h, then record against conference opponents starting from the top, it looks like WashU would get the AQ (they split w/ Rochester, but swept Emory, while Rochester would have a split w/ Emory).

Probably doesn't matter much, as all would seem to be veritable locks for a Pool C. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 18, 2013, 12:31:17 AM
The Wash-U sports information department confirmed that tie-breaking scenario earlier this afternoon.

Bears looked much better today, being able to repel runs that Brandeis tried to put together.  The Judges had a tough day without Bartoldus and Retos--they would have made things very interesting had they played.

Wash-U will have to play well again Saturday--a cursory glance at the numbers, stories, and box scores indicates an improving collection of Maroons.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 18, 2013, 01:57:42 PM
Quote from: hopefan on February 12, 2013, 12:10:10 PM
One of the things that I noticed in watching Wash U's win over Rochester is that only 2 seniors, Rob Burnett  and Ben Hoener saw significant time...With 6th man Nick Burt returning (he would be a starter on many teams), a starting lineup of 2 guards (Aboona, Cooney) and 3 athletic forwards (Klimek, Burt, Paluki) seems logical for next season... and very good...with Guard Kevin Bischoff coming off the bench to fill Hoerner's role...

The Sunday match-up with Brandeis gave us yet another example of what Washington University will lose when Ben Hoener graduates in May, but also a closer look at reserve David Fatoki. 

Hoener played what may have been a season high 29 minutes and scored a career high 25 points (8-12 shooting, 7-7 in free throws).  Bischoff is reportedly out with a hand injury, but Fatoki played a strong 20 minutes with three assists and two turnovers after playing very limited minutes throughout the season.

Hoener will certainly be expected to play a role in slowing Chicago guard Royce Muskeyvalley on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 19, 2013, 08:36:01 AM
Here is the breakdown of the UAA Endgame Saturday:

Rochester win over Emory--outright conference crown and the AQ.

Emory win and WashU loss to Chicago--2-way tie, Rochester gets the AQ.

Emory win and WashU win--3-way tie, WashU gets the AQ.

Saturday's games are going to be a lot of fun to broadcast!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 21, 2013, 02:39:57 PM
An interview with Washington University senior Ben Hoener in Student Life.  Worth reading.

http://www.studlife.com/sports/mens-basketball/2013/02/21/qa-mens-basketball-guard-ben-hoener/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 21, 2013, 04:46:07 PM
"Studlife"? This isn't another one of those Wash U Sex Week panel discussions, is it? ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 21, 2013, 05:15:10 PM
During Sex Week, it sure seems to be the case.  And, to further the discussion on the Washington University-Wheaton divide, check on this article on the rise of "floorgies."

http://www.studlife.com/special-issues/sex-issue/2013/02/14/the-rise-of-floorgies/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 23, 2013, 01:10:29 PM
Gameday in the UAA!

Rochester vs. Emory


It has been a bad week for their President (idiot!), but I expect Emory Men's Basketball to fare much better today.  My prediction: Emory gets the win this afternoon in an offense battle to get a share of the UAA Conference title.  It is probably going to take the strong perimeter shooting that was key to their last three conference blowouts.  And, of course, they will need to limit John DiBartomoleo to 3/5ths of his usual self and otherwise play good defense against Rob Reid, Nate Vernon and a few reserves who can easily make up the difference.

John DiBartolomeo was a freshman the last time Rochester defeated Emory on the road.  I think he finishes his career 1-3 in Atlanta.  However, I would not be surprised if the box score had 50 points next to his name and I am proved wrong.

Video
http://www.emoryathletics.com/information/webcasts

Live Stats
http://www.emoryathletics.com/information/LiveStats

Brandeis vs. NYU

This is a critical road game for Brandeis who are currently 8th in the regional rankings.  The Violets look to finish strong in an otherwise up and down conference season on Senior Day.  No way to predict.

Video
http://nyuathletics.tv/broadcasts/index.cfm?fuseaction=usrbrd&broadcasterid=59125&mobi=0

Live Stats
http://sidearmstats.com/nyu/mbball/scoreboard.aspx

Chicago vs. Washington University

The game in Chicago was probably the worst game I have seen in eight seasons following Washington University.  The Bears started the game with a 9-0 run before falling flat.  My prediction: Washington University gets a big win today at home.

Video
http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/wustl.portal#

Live Stats
http://bearsports-livestats.wustl.edu/Basketball/xlive.htm

Carnegie Mellon vs. Case Western Reserve

And, in case you are curious who plays for Case Western today...

Live Stats
http://livestats.prestosports.com/casewesternreserve/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on February 23, 2013, 05:03:07 PM
Brandeis gives away their shot at the NCAAs as Dascy misses two key foul shots that would have put 'Deis ahead with under ten seconds left. Team made a nice run to come back from 8 down to go 3 up, but then let up, turning the ball over on a bad Moten/Dascy connection.

Lots of lineup questions etc, but in short, a loss is a loss.

On reflection, feel bad for Dascy, game was lost on more than free throws, some others could have stepped up more.

Congrats to those who move on.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2013, 05:27:47 PM
I'm really afraid that Brandeis's season will end at 12:30 PM Eastern on Monday now with the bubble popping.  Brandeis did not declare for ECAC New England tournament, so if bubble pops, season is over.    Strong SOS at .570 going into the week, and a lot of games vs regionally ranked opponents, but really low in-region W/L percentage at 17-8 (.680).  Will a 4-7 (.364) record vs regionally ranked opponents be enough, or will the NCAA take the late season losses as a reason to pop the bubble?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 23, 2013, 05:59:01 PM
Springfield also beat MIT today, so they will also likely stay ahead of Brandeis in the final regional rankings.  Therefore, given automatic bids will be given to the winner of the NESCAC and NEWMAC, and hoping RIC wins and gets the LE AQ, that means 5 teams from the NE region would have to get a Pool C bid before Brandeis even gets into consideration.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2013, 01:13:47 AM
I don't see Brandeis falling any further down the regional rankings, though. In fact, other than swapping Springfield and MIT, my top nine remain the same.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 24, 2013, 01:17:47 AM
Yes, but Brandeis would still be 5th up for consideration for a Pool C out of the NE region.

You really think a 2-1 head-to-head advantage would outweigh 3 additional losses (almost 0.100 in WP)?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 24, 2013, 01:39:04 PM
A quick look at the final standings.  No one could have predicted this finish.

Rochester goes 7-0 in the conference (along with the No. 1 ranking and an 18-0 season record) before finishing 3-4 including losses to NYU, Washington University, Case Western Reserve and Emory. 

Washington University goes 2-3 to start conference play and goes 8-1 the rest of the way. 

Emory goes 0-2 to start conference play and goes on to lose only two more; both of which were very close road losses.

Rochester 10-4 (21-4)
Washington 10-4 (20-5)
Emory 10-4 (19-6)
Brandeis 8-6 (17-8)
New York University 5-9 (15-10)
Case Western Reserve 5-9 (12-13)
Chicago 5-9 (11-14)
Carnegie Mellon 3-11 (6-19)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Charles on February 24, 2013, 01:48:10 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 24, 2013, 01:39:04 PM
A quick look at the final standings.  No one could have predicted this finish.

Rochester goes 7-0 in the conference (along with the No. 1 ranking and an 18-0 season record) before finishing 3-4 including losses to NYU, Washington University, Case Western Reserve and Emory. 

Washington University goes 2-3 to start conference play and goes 8-1 the rest of the way. 

Emory goes 0-2 to start conference play and goes on to lose only two more; both of which were very close road losses.

Rochester 10-4 (21-4)
Washington 10-4 (20-5)
Emory 10-4 (19-6)
Brandeis 8-6 (17-8)
New York University 5-9 (15-10)
Case Western Reserve 5-9 (12-13)
Chicago 5-9 (11-14)
Carnegie Mellon 3-11 (6-19)
Has Rochester earned a spot?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 24, 2013, 02:51:10 PM
The AQ goes to Wash-U via the UAA tiebreaker procedure.  Rochester should be one of the first five teams to get a Pool C bid, judging by the prevailing statistics and wisdom on the message boards.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2013, 01:36:16 PM
Congratulations to Rochester and Emory on being selected to the NCAA tournament today on Pool C bids.

The bubble popped on Brandeis today-- Last 2 Pool C teams selected were Rutgers-Newark (Atlantic) and Randolph (South).  Brandeis was left on the national table, but the bids ran out.

Williams, Middlebury, MIT, and Springfield were the Northeast teams selected on Pool C.

Good luck to our UAA Co-Champions Wash U, Rochester, and Emory this weekend in the first round games.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DMJSports on February 26, 2013, 02:20:15 PM
Here is an interesting look at how individuals impact a team's performance.  The following analysis is not based on individual stats, but compares team performance with individual players in and out of the lineup.  This is an objective analysis using actual data from every game played by University Athletic Association teams this season.  Based on this comprehensive analysis, the following players are making the most positive impact on their respective team:

Brandeis:  Surprisingly, the data shows ANTHONY TRAPASSO may only average 3.2ppg but improves Brandeis's scoring rate by 2.1ppg and reduces opponent scoring rate by 4.0ppg when he is on the floor - a net gain of 6.1ppg, highest on the team.  DEREK RETOS (4.9ppg) and YOURI DASCY (2.8ppg) also make a positive impact.

Carnegie Mellon: MATT LOEBBAKA improves Carnegie Mellon's scoring rate by 2.8ppg but also reduces opponent scoring rate by 3.4ppg - a net gain of 6.2ppg.   ASAD MEGHANI (4.3ppg) also makes a positive impact.

Case Western Reserve: TIM CHUNG improves Case Western Reserve's scoring rate by 7.4ppg and reduces opponent scoring rate by 1.5ppg - a net gain of 8.9ppg.    JORDAN DEAN (7.5ppg) also makes a positive impact. 

Chicago: IAN JOYCE improves Chicago's scoring rate by 7.0ppg and reduces opponent scoring rate by 1.0ppg - a net gain of 8.1ppg.   NATE BROOKS (5.7ppg), SAM GAGE (4.3ppg), CHARLIE HUGHES (2.7ppg) and WAYNE SIMON (1.2ppg) also make a positive impact.

Emory: MICHAEL FLORIN slows down the game and actually reduces Emory's scoring rate by 0.1ppg but also reduces opponent scoring rate by 11.5ppg - a net gain of 11.4ppg.    ALEX GREVEN (8.9ppg), MICHAEL FRIEDBERG (8.0ppg) and MCPHERSON MOORE (7.7ppg) also make a strong positive impact.

New York University: CARL YAFFE does a nice job of not only improving New York University's scoring rate by 9.3ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 6.8ppg - a net gain of 16.1ppg.   KYLE STOCKMAL (12.4ppg), RYAN TANA (10.9ppg) and DEVIN KARCH (9.4ppg) also make a strong positive impact.

Rochester: JOHN DIBARTOLOMEO does a nice job of not only improving Rochester's scoring rate by 13.6ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 5.6ppg - a net gain of 19.3ppg.   KENT COYNE (12.0ppg), NATE VERNON (11.9ppg), TYLER SEIDMAN (8.4ppg) and TYLER SANKES (6.2ppg) also make a strong positive impact.

Washington U.: NICK BURT improves Washington U.'s scoring rate by 6.1ppg and reduces opponent scoring rate by 4.8ppg - a net gain of 10.9ppg.    KEVIN BISCHOFF (6.7ppg), ALAN ABOONA (4.7ppg) and CHRIS KILMEK (2.6ppg) also make a positive impact.


On the lighter side, focusing on secondary goals (team stats other than the primary objective - outscoring opponents).  Following are players making the most positive impact in these areas:

Team scoring: having JOHN DIBARTOLOMEO on the floor correlates to Rochester increasing its scoring rate by 13.6 ppg compared to when DIBARTOLOMEO is on the bench.  DEREK RETOS-Brandeis (13.5) also makes a strong positive impact.

Opponent scoring: having MICHAEL FLORIN on the floor correlates to Emory decreasing opposition scoring rate by 11.5 ppg compared to when FLORIN is on the bench.

Team field goal percentage: having DEREK RETOS on the floor correlates to Brandeis increasing its field goal percentage rate by 6.8 percentage points compared to when RETOS is on the bench.  CARL YAFFE-New York University (6.4), JASON SEBAK-Carnegie Mellon (6.2) also make a strong positive impact.

Opponent field goal percentage: having NATE VERNON on the floor correlates to Rochester decreasing opposition field goal percentage rate by 5.8 percentage points compared to when VERNON is on the bench.

Team made field goals: having CARL YAFFE on the floor correlates to New York University increasing its made field goals rate by 3.7 per game compared to when YAFFE is on the bench.

Opponent made field goals: having JASON SEBAK on the floor correlates to Carnegie Mellon decreasing opposition made field goals rate by 3.7 per game compared to when SEBAK is on the bench.  NATE VERNON-Rochester (3.5) also makes a strong positive impact.

Team offensive rebounds: having ROBERT BURNETT on the floor correlates to Washington U. increasing its offensive rebounds rate by 6.3 per game compared to when BURNETT is on the bench.  JORDAN SMITH-Chicago (3.3)  and A|MATT PALUCKI-Washington U. (2.9) also make a strong positive impact.

Opponent offensive rebounds: having SAM GAGE on the floor correlates to Chicago decreasing opposition offensive rebounds rate by 3.4 per game compared to when GAGE is on the bench.

Team turnovers: having JOHN DIBARTOLOMEO on the floor correlates to Rochester decreasing its turnovers rate by 3.9 per game compared to when DIBARTOLOMEO is on the bench.  MICHAEL FLORIN-Emory (3.9) also makes a strong positive impact.

Opponent turnovers: having JOSH SCHATTIE on the floor correlates to Emory increasing opposition turnovers rate by 4.4 per game compared to when SCHATTIE is on the bench.

Team steals: having SEAN BROPHY on the floor correlates to Carnegie Mellon increasing its steals rate by 3.3 per game compared to when BROPHY is on the bench.  JOSH SCHATTIE-Emory (3.1) also makes a strong positive impact.

Team assists: having CARL YAFFE on the floor correlates to New York University increasing its assists rate by 6.8 per game compared to when YAFFE is on the bench.

Team defensive rebounds: having TIM CHUNG on the floor correlates to Case Western Reserve increasing its defensive rebounds rate by 3.7 per game compared to when CHUNG is on the bench.  CHARLIE HUGHES-Chicago (3.6), CARL YAFFE-New York University (3.5) also make a strong positive impact.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: toooldtohoop on February 26, 2013, 02:34:43 PM
WOW!  What a fun analysis to consider.  Definitely worth a few karmas, but alas I can't provide.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 26, 2013, 03:01:03 PM
Do you account for when the players play?  If someone always plays in blowouts and increases/decreases the lead, depending on which end of it you are on, its not as impressive as someone who plays against teams in close games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DMJSports on February 26, 2013, 04:08:28 PM
Hello Hugenerd,

A player's impact is measured against his teammates.  Hence, whether a team blows everybody out or loses every game, the rating is based on the team impact versus teammates.  Even if you blow everybody out, some players will show up as negative due to other teammates having a more significant impact.  On the flip side, a team which gets beat on a regular basis still has players getting a positive rating because they make the team stronger, more competitive.  I hope that helps.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on February 26, 2013, 08:57:47 PM
What I meant was, if said player is playing a relatively small number of minutes (eg, when the game is out of hand), they may be making their team stronger, but only against the end of the other team's bench or with a limited number of minutes to analyze.  This could have the effect of skewing his team's offensive numbers (if they score more readily in garbage time) or his team's defensive numbers (if the end of the opponent's bench doesnt score at a high rate). Therefore, I was just trying to point out that you have to be careful when interpreting players who don't see a lot of minutes, because a lot of those minutes may be in situations that are not reflective of a competitive game.  Some examples of this could be Ian Joyce -Chicago (10 mpg) and Kevin Bischoff from WashU (13 mpg) (not saying they definitely are, but just looking at mpg, they could be).

I think the overall analysis is good, but some more explanation of the conventions used would help better explain the study.  For example, was there a threshold number of minutes that a player had to play in order to be analyzed in the study? Do you only count minutes in which the game is competitive (if the game is a blowout with under 5 to play, do those minutes count)?  Looks like you put a lot of effort into it, and did a good job, but I'm just curious about how the numbers were analyzed (I enjoy statistical analysis myself).  By the way, did you do the analysis as a part of a course or assignment, or was this just for fun (I was an undergrad in the UAA, and could see this as a fun stats project)?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DMJSports on February 26, 2013, 09:25:43 PM
Excellent points Hugenerd.  The analysis is limited to players who play more than 20% of the time (on average, more than 8 minutes per game) for the reasons you indicate.  No attempt is made to ignore blowout scenarios with under 5 minutes to play.  These scenarios will not impact players who play the majority of the game, but I see your point that 10min per game players could be effected significantly by a couple of these stretches...  Thanks for your comments/feedback!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 27, 2013, 10:44:33 AM
The 2012-2013 UAA All-Association Team has been released.  As expected, John DiBartomoleo was named Player of the Year.  Jordan Smith was named Freshman of the Year while the coaches at Emory were named the Coaching Staff of the Year.

First Team
Alan Aboona, Washington 6-1 G Jr. Wheeling, IL (St. Viator)
Jake Davis, Emory 6-5 F Jr. Cincinnati, OH (Seven Hills School)
John DiBartolomeo, Rochester 6-0 G Sr. Westport, CT (Staples) † Player of the Year
Alex Greven, Emory 6-3 G Sr. Winston-Salem, NC (RJ Reynolds)
Chris Klimek, Washington 6-5 F Jr. Inverness, IL (William Fremd)
Gabriel Moton, Brandeis 6-2 G Jr. St. Petersburg, FL (St. Petersburg)
Carl Yaffe NYU, 6-8 F Sr. Bethesda, MD (Walter Johnson)

Second Team
Austin Fowler, Case 6-6 F Sr. Farmington Hills, MI (Birmingham Brother Rice)
Michael Friedberg, Emory 6-6 F Sr. Woodcliff Lake, NJ (Pascack Hills)
Dane McLoughlin, Case 6-6 F So. Westerville, OH (St. Charles Preparatory)
Asad Meghani, Carnegie Mellon 6-0 G Jr. Carrollton, TX (Greenhill School)
Matt Palucki, Washington 6-6 F So. Park Ridge, IL (Maine South)
Alex Stoyle, Brandeis 6-7 F Jr. Goffstown, NH (Tilton School)
Nate Vernon, Rochester 6-6 G/F Jr. Chapel Hill, NC (Carolina Friends School/Suffield Acad.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on February 28, 2013, 04:54:20 PM
OK Wash U fans.. here is the Spalding team coming from Louisville ...

Coach Kevin Gray uses a 9 or 10 man rotation... towards the end of the season and in the SLIAC Conference Tourney, Starters tended to see a few more minutes than in the past, but bench strength is still a positive for Spalding.

This is Spalding's first year of being eligible for the SLIAC conference tourney and a trip to the NCAAs... they took an unusual step to get there... two players who would have been playing their fourth and final year LAST year decided to forego playing in 2011-12, saving their final year for this year and a chance to play in the tourneys.... Cody cutsinger had been a steady starter as an underclassman, and DeWhon McAfee had been the SLIAC Player of the Year as a Junior...   both played extremely well in their 5th year, but unfortunately McAfee suffered a significant leg injury 3 weeks ago and is out for the season.. but Spalding didn't play dead without McAfee's 20 ppg... instead they have gone 6-0 since his injury, including blasting Webster in the SLIAC semis and nipping Eureka in Overtime to earn the NCAA bid.

Starters in both games of the tourney were:

Cody Cutsinger  6'0" Sr  2 guard...  7.7 ppg, 2 apg, toughnosed, good shooter, penetrates and dishes, smart player

Johnell Hardin   6'0"  Sr  point guard.... 3.7 ppg  3 apg, strong, rarely look to score, solid ball handler, only hoop in conference tourney final was 3 pointer in OT to win it....

Jametrius Brasher  6'6"  SR    Post.... 11.5 ppg  6Rpg...  extremely strong, tough, very strong with ball around the basket, and deadly 15 foot shot if not played tightly.  Has saved his best for the end of the season, and really took over scoring when McAfee went down.... shot 67% from the field for the season...  2nd team All Conference only because he played a diminished role when McAfee played... he may have been the MOP in the league the last 3 weeks of the season, and he was MVP of conference tourney. 

Thomas Blakemore  6'3" Jr   Fwd....  8 ppg,  4 rpg...  confident perimeter player

Dominique Sangester  6'3" SR  Fwd  7 ppg, 5 rpg... Athletic, jumps, goes to hoop... nice shooter... Made all Tournament team with 11 points vs Webster  and 11 vs Eureka including 5 for 5 critical foul shots whan no one else on Spalding could make one... he should match up with Wash U's Klimik, and may not be strong enough

Strong Bench

Montray Robertson  6'7"  JR post    4 ppg, 4 rpg.... mobile big man

Brandon Gabriel  6' 1"   Soph  Point   5 ppg, 2 apg...   quick, solid ball handler...  had 13 against Webster in tourney

Will Barber  6' 3"  Soph  Forward  9 ppg....  seems to be bothered by facial injury and mask... but I saw him score double digits several times in conference before injury.... good player

Brandon Goeing  6' 0" frosh... 8 ppg....designated 3 point shooter... has the green light off the bench... runs from one side of floor off of picks to the other side looking for wing 3 pointers....


Don't be fooled by the low ppg... any of these guys can hit for double digits, and defense is pretty good...


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mark_reichert on February 28, 2013, 06:14:32 PM
Quote from: hopefan on February 28, 2013, 04:54:20 PM
This is Spalding's first year of being eligible for the SLIAC conference tourney and a trip to the NCAAs...

I'm just curious how a Louisville team came to be in the ST. LOUIS Intercollegiate Athletic Conference.  Because it's LOUISville? ::)  Yes, you can groan now.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 28, 2013, 07:19:06 PM
Quote from: hopefan on February 28, 2013, 04:54:20 PM
Jametrius Brasher  6'6"  SR    Post... 11.5 ppg  6Rpg...  extremely strong, tough, very strong with ball around the basket, and deadly 15 foot shot if not played tightly.  Has saved his best for the end of the season, and really took over scoring when McAfee went down... shot 67% from the field for the season... 

Washington University does not have an extremely strong low post by UAA standards and not a lot of extremely strong posts around the conference, though it is all relative.  The match-ups will be intriguing.

What is your final prediction for the record?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 28, 2013, 07:57:19 PM
When I see low point numbers from reserves, I look at their points per 40 minutes.  Brandon Goeing's "p40m" is an outstanding 20.0 points.  An explosive outside shooter perhaps similar to Brandeis' Derek Retos.  Retos torched the Bears in their only home loss of the season.

Wash-U is not looking past Spalding.  Westminster gave Wash-U a really tough battle 3 seasons ago in the first round, before the Bears were beaten by IWU.  Folks close to the program believe Spalding may be the best team that the SLIAC has ever sent to the tournament.  Hopefan can address that particular point, but the Bears are certainly not looking past Saturday night.

Should be a fun game to broadcast!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on February 28, 2013, 09:50:12 PM
I'm sorry, I'd love to see the SLIAC rep get a tourney win, and there's not a SLIAC team that's won conference that I haven't liked in the last 8 years, but history tells me that Wash U is simply at a different level than Spalding... IF Spalding had Dewhon McAfee, there would be a better chance.. an explosive streak shooter, if McAfee got hot, he could turn a game around... there isn't anyone like that on Spalding now... I love Brasher's toughness.. but he can be denied the ball or doubleteamed inside and he has to give the ball up...I'm going to copy the statements I made over in the SLIAC room  :

Unfortunately, the more I think about the personnel, and the setting, the more I think that Spalding could be in for a rough night....

Spalding has the long trip

Spalding's first appearance in the tourney

Wash U kids have played in the tourney before, and played better competition this year (though I will note Spalding played 2 tourney teams in their nonconference schedule.. losing to Transy by 1 and to Dickinson by 6)

Wash U plays 'bigger'...  While I've never been a fan of Robert Burnett in the middle for Wash U, he'll match up pretty well in strength with Spalding's Jametrius Brasheer.. But I don't see a good match up to Chris Klimek.. and Spalding had trouble with Eureka when Eureka went to two big men....

Spalding shot poorly vs Eureka on their home court... they have to spread the scoring out to the perimeter

Wash U's guards likely will not have the serious trouble with spalding's press that Eureka did....

How will Spalding react to the frat boys in the corner??? ;D ;D ;D

Teams playing against Mark Edwards motion offense for the first time generally have a very difficult time defending it...  UAA teams who get used to  it may not give up a lot of layups, but when those screens and backdoors hit you for the first time, it's tough... spalding has not seen a precision offense like this in the SLIAC.... hopefully lots of film has reached Louisville so they know what to expect.....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 02, 2013, 10:44:43 PM
Three wins in the UAA tonight!

Emory gets a convincing win over Randolph 77-56 while Rochester gets by Fitchburg State 91-86. 

Fitchburg had it to within three points with 0.04 seconds left before time ran out on them.  John DiBartomoleo scored nearly half of that 91, scoring 42 on 11-27 shooting from the field and 17-22 from the line.  If you look at that stat line separately, DiBartomoleo from the field and DiBartomoleo from the line were the highest scoring players on the team.  Nate Vernon added 16 along with 13 for Rob Reid.

Washington University pulled out the win over Spalding, 70-61, in a hard fought contest that featured a Golden Eagles squad that shot 47% from the field in the first half with the Bears shooting 33%, but the percentages switched in the second half thanks in larger part to the work of Ben Hoener.  The senior regularly elevates his game in the second half and tonight was no exception with almost all of his 19 points coming in the second half.  Rob Burnett did not shoot well, but scored 13, mostly on second chance looks and was key to the great rebounding margin (+19) with 10 boards.  Tim Cooney, Alan Aboona, and Matt Palucki all finished with 8 points respectively.

Spalding came to play and had one of the better defensive performances that I have seen this season, particularly in the first half.  Chris Klimek struggled with foul trouble and played an underwhelming 20 minutes.  Spalding gave Klimek few looks, and held the junior to 7 points on 3-5 shooting.  Spalding was led by Jametrius Brasher who scored 16 with more than enough skills to keep the home crowd nervous.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: (509)Rat on March 03, 2013, 03:24:22 PM
Emory has a long trip ahead of them to a rather hostile environment in Spokane. However, the defense that feasted on Randolph is the kind that opposing coaches lose sleep over. I expect Whitworth to do a much better job of handling the half court pressure, but they'll have to do a better job of getting the ball inside this week if they want to host one more weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 07, 2013, 08:51:43 AM
Quote from: (509)Rat on March 03, 2013, 03:24:22 PM
Emory has a long trip ahead of them to a rather hostile environment in Spokane. However, the defense that feasted on Randolph is the kind that opposing coaches lose sleep over. I expect Whitworth to do a much better job of handling the half court pressure, but they'll have to do a better job of getting the ball inside this week if they want to host one more weekend.

In my time on D3boards.com, I cannot remember ever seeing an Emory fan.  I though that may change with Emory advancing to tournament for the first time since 1990.

Emory has played very good basketball as of late, but this will obviously be a big test for the Eagles.  The one advantage to Emory going out west is that UAA diehards will be able to watch two games on Saturday night.

Incidentally, the Emory Women's Basketball team defeated Whitworth in the first round and will play fellow Northwest Conference rival Whitman on Friday.

Five of six UAA teams are still in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 08, 2013, 10:09:16 AM
A look at a few of the most recent match-ups between Washington University and Illinois Wesleyan from Student Life.

Link: http://www.studlife.com/sports/mens-basketball/2013/03/07/mens-basketball-a-look-back-in-the-day-with-wash-u-and-iwu/ (http://www.studlife.com/sports/mens-basketball/2013/03/07/mens-basketball-a-look-back-in-the-day-with-wash-u-and-iwu/)

__________

An annual rivalry will get another go-around this Saturday evening at the Field House as Washington University and Illinois Wesleyan University will square off in the second round of the NCAA Division III men's national championship tournament. The teams already faced off once this year, back on Dec. 1, with then-No. 10 Wash. U. beating then-No. 7 IWU 67-57, but IWU leads the all-time series by a 19-14 margin. Saturday will mark the sixth time in the four-year careers of the class of 2013 that the two teams will have faced each other. Let's review the instances of school years past.

Dec. 17, 2011 (Bloomington, Ill.): IWU 71, Wash. U. 56:

In the teams' most recent showdown in Illinois, Wash. U. was handed its third loss of the fall season by IWU, which never trailed after the game's opening minute. The Bears were led by then-sophomore Alan Aboona, who scored 15 points—at the time, a career-high—off the bench.
Paul Goedeke | Student Life

Junior Alan Aboona drives down the baseline past an Illinois Wesleyan University defender during the Washington University men's basketball team's 67-57 win over the Titans on Dec. 1, 2012. Aboona scored 15 points in the win, and another strong performance from him will only help the Bears' chances at advancing past IWU for the first time in tournament history.

Dec. 18, 2010 (St. Louis): Wash. U. 83, No. 12 IWU 75 (OT):

Having started the season at a disappointing 4-4, the Bears looked poised to keep the poor start going against IWU as they trailed for most of the contest. But a shocking three-pointer by Aboona tied the game at 68 as regulation expired, and an outstanding overtime from senior Spencer Gay (nine points in the overtime) gave the Bears their signature win of the 2010-11 campaign. Gay ended the game with 21 points, as did junior Dylan Richter.

March 6, 2010 (St. Louis): IWU 75, No. 1 Wash. U. 70:

The game that marked the end of Wash. U.'s championship streak took place in the Field House as top-ranked Wash. U. was stunned in the second round of the NCAA Tournament. Despite the lead never reaching double-digits and senior Aaron Thompson's 16 second-half points, IWU maintained a lead over the final 18:56 of the contest and picked up an offensive rebound on its own free throw with 15 seconds remaining, short-circuiting Wash. U.'s comeback attempt and ending the Bears' run at a third straight title.

Nov. 22, 2009 (Bloomington): Wash. U. 76, IWU 71:

In their third game of the season following their second national title, the Bears used some strong shooting (54 percent, including 62.5 percent in the first half) to maintain their season-opening winning streak. Thompson led the way with 31 points for Wash. U.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 08, 2013, 10:14:48 AM
And, a look back at the Alan Aboona three-point buzzer beater to take Illinois Wesleyan to overtime.  Washington University would eventually get the win 83-75.  This proved to be the signature win of the 2010-2011 season in which the Bears finished 13-12.

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm7BTPkiqas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm7BTPkiqas)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dcahill44 on March 08, 2013, 11:57:32 AM
What Does everyone think about the Ithaca Rochester game? I think both teams are very good... Its a toss up for me
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on March 08, 2013, 12:21:30 PM
Quote from: dcahill44 on March 08, 2013, 11:57:32 AM
What Does everyone think about the Ithaca Rochester game? I think both teams are very good... Its a toss up for me

Two teams headed in opposite directions.  Ithaca is healthy and playing extremely well while UofR has stumbled after starting 18-0.  I haven't seen them play lately but I wonder if John Di is trying to do too much.  Still think Rochester should win but wouldn't be surprised if Ithaca pulls it out.  And the over/under on this game must be around 210 points
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on March 09, 2013, 03:06:10 AM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on March 08, 2013, 12:21:30 PM
Quote from: dcahill44 on March 08, 2013, 11:57:32 AM
What Does everyone think about the Ithaca Rochester game? I think both teams are very good... Its a toss up for me

Two teams headed in opposite directions.  Ithaca is healthy and playing extremely well while UofR has stumbled after starting 18-0.  I haven't seen them play lately but I wonder if John Di is trying to do too much.  Still think Rochester should win but wouldn't be surprised if Ithaca pulls it out.  And the over/under on this game must be around 210 points

Ethelred,
Strangely enough though Massey has Rochester winning by a score of 73-66. I'm thinking that Ithaca might pull off the upset here so I'm picking the Bombers to win by a 74-71 score. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on March 09, 2013, 10:41:53 PM
Quote from: magicman on March 09, 2013, 03:06:10 AM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on March 08, 2013, 12:21:30 PM
Quote from: dcahill44 on March 08, 2013, 11:57:32 AM
What Does everyone think about the Ithaca Rochester game? I think both teams are very good... Its a toss up for me

Two teams headed in opposite directions.  Ithaca is healthy and playing extremely well while UofR has stumbled after starting 18-0.  I haven't seen them play lately but I wonder if John Di is trying to do too much.  Still think Rochester should win but wouldn't be surprised if Ithaca pulls it out.  And the over/under on this game must be around 210 points

Ethelred,
Strangely enough though Massey has Rochester winning by a score of 73-66. I'm thinking that Ithaca might pull off the upset here so I'm picking the Bombers to win by a 74-71 score.

I was pretty close with my score as the final was Ithaca 70 Rochester 68. Only missed the total by 7 points and the MOV by 1. Didn't figure I'd be too high though. Hard to believe that DiBartolomeo only got 2 points and didn't make a field goal.   
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 09, 2013, 11:40:49 PM
Great game in the Field House tonight, but in the end, the long armed Titans proved to be the better team tonight.  As I said earlier in the season, all great teams need a guy with a headband or mustache.  That guy proved to be the difference for the Titans down the stretch.

Thanks to players, coaches and everyone else involved with the program for another great season.  In the end, I attended 15 games, paying just $15 in ticket fees; the most I have ever seen of one team in a season. 


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 09, 2013, 11:45:46 PM
Emory is struggling out in Spokane.  Whitworth fans have probably the best video feed I have ever seen for a Division III team, but the live stream is not able to keep up.

It looks like the UAA will go 0-5 on the long weekend, unless Emory works a miracle.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on April 21, 2013, 12:47:20 PM
This is fairly old news now, but it never made the board here.  U. of Chicago has landed a very highly regarded recruit from the Chicago area...

* Waller Perez, 6-5 SF (Morton H.S.) - 16.2 ppg, 7.1 rpg


http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php/2011-08-04-18-06-26/1100-waller-perez-commits-to-chicago

http://ilprepbullseye.com/Perez_Chicago.html

http://www.mysuburbanlife.com/2013/03/06/perez-exits-with-1-000-points-respect/a7sxadc/?page=1


Illinois Wesleyan and many other good small college programs were after Perez.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on May 08, 2013, 09:46:58 PM
Hello all!

I'm involved in the "Call of the Year" contest conducted by Stretch Internet.  I am hoping to become a finalist, and if you wish, you can have a hand in getting me there.

Go here ( http://bit.ly/YmvliM ) to listen to the audio clip, and then click on "Love It" to cast a vote.  You may vote once per day through May 30th.  Fans will decide the top 10 and top 5 finalists, and Stretch personnel will decide the winner.

Thank you very much for your consideration!

Jay Murry
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on June 06, 2013, 10:00:22 PM
Just a note to relay the top 10 finalists in the Stretch Internet "Call of the Year" contest (out of 34 entries):

(ranking based on the number of fan votes via Facebook)

1. Kevin Strauss, Cal State-Northridge
2. Scott Leo, Wittenberg University
3. Jim Mitchell & Paul Van Scott, Florida Tech
4. Adam Cavalier, Carson-Newman
5. Andy Zweber & Max Timm, Carleton College
6. Jay Murry, Washington University in St. Louis
7. Kale Beers, LaSalle University
8. Russ Eisenstein, Ohio University
9. Jim Plummer & Allen Grisham, Post (TX) High School
10. Mike Mancini, Oberlin College

Here is the Facebook link to the list of entries:  https://www.facebook.com/stretchinternet?hc_location=stream

After releasing the information on the finalists on Monday, Stretch Internet will announce next week who will make the final 5 list; and it will announce the winner at the CoSIDA 13 convention during a reception conducted by Stretch on June 13th in Orlando, Florida.

--Jay Murry, Washington University in St. Louis
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 07, 2013, 03:41:54 PM
Washington U's schedule

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Sports/BasketballMen/Pages/schedule.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 22, 2013, 02:39:49 PM
Carnegie Mellon, Case Western Reserve, Chicago, and Washington University were awarded the newly created NABC Team Academic Excellence Award for outstanding academic achievement by a team with a cumulative grade point average (GPA) of 3.0 or better for the 2012-2013 season.

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Sports/Content/Pages/mbk7-17-13.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BUBeaverFan on August 24, 2013, 10:08:05 PM
Former Wash U standout Aaron Thompson now a part of Mark Edwards' staff for the Bears.

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Sports/BasketballMen/Pages/coachingstaff.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 15, 2013, 02:06:45 PM
A few basketball previews from student newspapers around the UAA.

Chicago
http://chicagomaroon.com/2013/11/15/chicago-to-get-season-under-way-against-augustana/

Washington University
http://www.studlife.com/sports/mens-basketball/2013/11/14/wash-u-basketball-teams-open-season-on-saturday/

Emory
http://www.emorywheel.com/mens-basketball-squad-seeking-return-trip-to-tourney/

Case Western Reserve
http://observer.case.edu/spartan-mens-basketball-travels-abroad-prepares-for-season/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 16, 2013, 10:48:10 PM
As usual, I suspect that CWRU will struggle in the UAA, but we may be a bit more competitive this year than in years past.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 19, 2013, 03:18:46 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on November 16, 2013, 10:48:10 PM
As usual, I suspect that CWRU will struggle in the UAA, but we may be a bit more competitive this year than in year's past.

You have to be excited that a Case basketball player was named an athlete of the week in the first week of play after being named tournament MVP.

David Thompson  —  Case Western Reserve University  —  Plano, TX (Plano Senior)

Senior center David Thompson was named Most Valuable Player of the 2013 Stephanie Tubbs Jones Memorial Tournament for leading host Case Western Reserve University to the title. He scored a career-high 22 points, hitting eight of nine field goals, in a 70-64 Spartan win over Anderson College and followed that with 16 points and nine rebounds in a 92-89 victory over Kenyon College. Thompson averaged 19 points and 8.5 boards in two games, shooting 63.6 percent from the field.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 19, 2013, 11:43:18 PM
It is certainly good to hear that.  On the other hand, we also got beaten pretty badly by Baldwin-Wallace today, so I'm cautious about getting too optimistic.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 20, 2013, 09:53:45 AM
Fourth in the UAA might be the best we can hope for. 

BW received the 26th most votes in the d3hoops pre season poll.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dcahill44 on November 25, 2013, 01:17:02 PM
Saw Rochester play this weekend against Nazareth... They were good not close to very good though.. 1-3 is not good to start the season with the heart of there schedule coming up including Wendys Classic and Home Tournament including Skidmore, Mount Union and Hartwick 3 good squads
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on December 02, 2013, 03:20:12 AM
Decent road win tonight over Allegheny.

We should beat Oberlin at home next.

After that, it gets A LOT tougher.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 03, 2013, 01:45:02 PM
It is too early to make too much of Massey, but I was curious and thought I would post.  Enclosed are the rankings along with the season records so far.

No. 8  Washington U. (5-1)
No. 14  Emory (5-2)
No. 37  New York University (4-0)
No. 61  Carnegie Mellon (4-0)
No. 73  Brandeis (4-1)
No. 100 Chicago (4-2)
No. 120  Case Western Reserve (4-1)
No. 160  Rochester (3-3)

Of note: NYU is leading Division III in rebound margin so far this season at +16.8 rebounds while Washington University, who led for periods last season, is in third at +14.8.  NYU also leads in FG percentage defense are are ranked 5th in scoring margin.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 15, 2013, 08:09:05 PM
A quick update with the Massey Rankings (through Saturday) and the records through today.  The UAA ranks 2nd in Division III though obviously [insert disclaimers here].

No. 20 Washington U. 6-2 
No. 36 Emory 6-3   
No. 64 Carnegie Mellon 5-1
No. 76 New York University 6-1
No. 88 Brandeis 6-3
No. 109 Chicago 5-4
No. 127 Case Western Reserve 5-1
No. 144 Rochester 5-5
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 31, 2013, 02:27:50 AM
Wash-U won last night at Fontbonne 87-50.  Bears shot the lights out from 3-point range, making 15 of 28 attempts (10-16 in the 1st half).  Alan Aboona made his first 7 attempts from beyond the arc, and finished with 24 points on 7-8 shooting from 3-point range.  Matt Palucki had 12 points on 4 treys as the only other Wash-U player in double figures.

The defense was good, too...forcing 19 Fontbonne turnovers and getting 11 steals (Tim Cooney with 4 of them), while holding the Griffins to 1-10 shooting from 3-point land.

Wash-U appears to have its confidence and mojo back, after splitting the last 4 games prior to last night and looking out of sync at home vs. Coe December 14th.  The true litmus test on that will be Thursday night's game at home vs. Wheaton.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: toooldtohoop on January 02, 2014, 10:24:47 PM
Congrats to the Bears tonight and tough loss for my Thunder.

Also, good job on the call Jay.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 03, 2014, 02:55:28 AM
Thank you!

It was a fun game to call, because both teams played well enough to win.  Wash-U had only 10 turnovers and Wheaton 12, and both teams had 23 assists.  Very little sloppy play by either team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 03, 2014, 09:12:58 AM
Quote from: jaybird44 on January 03, 2014, 02:55:28 AM
Thank you!

It was a fun game to call, because both teams played well enough to win.  Wash-U had only 10 turnovers and Wheaton 12, and both teams had 23 assists.  Very little sloppy play by either team.

Your partner last night, Lucy Montgomery, did a nice job also. Excellent observations about game strategy, plays unfolding on the court, etc. Kudos to her. I don't know if she is interested in a future in broadcasting, but it might be something she should consider.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on January 03, 2014, 02:52:30 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 03, 2014, 09:12:58 AM
Your partner last night, Lucy Montgomery, did a nice job also. Excellent observations about game strategy, plays unfolding on the court, etc. Kudos to her. I don't know if she is interested in a future in broadcasting, but it might be something she should consider.

I agree.  I had the IWU/Franklin audio turned down and Wash U/Wheaton up late in the game.  The color commentator made a great call on what Mark Edwards was going to do coming out of a timeout late - said the Bears would try to get it to Klimek on that slip play.  Sure enough, it's exactly what they did and led to a huge basket.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on January 04, 2014, 01:20:43 AM
Nice win for Case last night over Johns Hopkins in a matchup of med school powerhouses.

I was unaware of this, but if Case can win again, they'll match their best 10 game start in school history at 8-2.

Unfortunately, the menacing UAA conference slate is still ahead!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 05, 2014, 01:48:36 AM
Wash-U ended non-conference play yesterday with an 85-68 victory over Webster, in a game that wasn't that close until the Bears started emptying the bench.  Matt Palucki poured in a career-high 32 points on 12-18 shooting from the floor and 5-8 shooting from 3-point range.  He scored the first 12 points for Wash-U and had 22 points at halftime.  Matt is really brimming with confidence from 3-point range, and Wash-U as a whole has amassed a good arsenal of 3-point shooters.

Opponents can't just focus on stopping Alan Aboona now...Palucki and Luke Silverman-Lloyd have emerged as bonafide threats as well.  Luke had a career high 14 points on 4-8 shooting beyond the arc.  They combined to help Wash-U shoot 12-25 from 3-point country...a welcome sight heading into the UAA, where many teams launch 3s early and often.  More than once the Bears were relegated to trading 2 points for 3 in conference play in the last 4 or 5 years, especially on the road.  Hopefully, that won't be the case this season.

Can't wait 'til Saturday, when the UAA slate of games begins!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 06, 2014, 02:48:40 PM
I have barely had enough time to follow Washington University so this is the first time I am looking at UAA in a long time.  A quick look at Massey and the records:

No. 16 Washington U. 9-2
No. 43 Emory 7-3
No. 48 New York 9-1
No. 64 Chicago 7-4
No. 100 Brandeis 7-3
No. 103 Case Western Reserve 7-3
No. 111 Carnegie Mellon 6-4
No. 130 Rochester 5-5

My brain may be frozen, but I feel like this may be the lowest the top four teams have ranked and the highest the bottom four teams have ranked midseason in a long time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on January 06, 2014, 04:35:47 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 06, 2014, 02:48:40 PM
I have barely had enough time to follow Washington University so this is the first time I am looking at UAA in a long time. 

Your absense from Wash U - Webster U game was noted!! :o ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 07, 2014, 04:06:29 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 06, 2014, 04:35:47 PM
Your absence from Wash U - Webster U game was noted!! :o ;D

Thanks! I am sure glad I went to Chicago on the road and all those SLIAC games while I had the time and energy. If I do not see you in the Field House, I'll definitely see you at Webster-Fontbonne on 2/25.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2014, 01:05:19 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on January 04, 2014, 01:20:43 AM
Unfortunately, the menacing UAA conference slate is still ahead!

You gotta be excited about the big win over Carnegie Mellon! The Spartans were the only team to win on the road in Weekend 1 of conference play.

From the press release:

CLEVELAND – An inspired 13-1 run in the final minutes led the Case Western Reserve University men's basketball team to an 84-81 victory versus rival Carnegie Mellon University (Pa.) in the 2014 University Athletic Association opener on Saturday evening at Horsburgh Gymnasium.

The Spartans improve to 9-3 for the first time since the 2005-06 campaign. The Tartans drop to 7-5.

All five Spartan starters scored in double-figures led by senior center David Thompson (Plano, Texas/Plano Senior) with 18 points and nine rebounds, just missing a ninth-straight double-double. Junior guard Julien Person (Houston, Texas/Second Baptist) scored 17, and junior forward Dane McLoughlin (Westerville, Ohio/St. Charles Preparatory) added his third career double-double with 15 points and 12 rebounds.


The Spartans trailed by as many as 16 in the second half and were down 79-70 with 3:27 left to play. Refusing to call it a day, Case scored 13 of the next 14 over the following 3:08 to lead 83-80 with 19 seconds on the clock. Thompson brought the score to 80-78 with a layup at 1:35, and Person tied the game with a layup at 1:26.

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2013-14/releases/20140111n0yiy7
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2014, 01:12:35 PM
Otherwise, Washington University, NYU and Emory all protected the home court in wins over their travel partners.  The UAA race could be as tight as ever though we may start to see signs of a favorite next Sunday when Washington University hosts NYU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 14, 2014, 01:54:21 PM
The big news out of the UAA today is that longtime Washington University Athletic Director John Schael is retiring.  The quick summary of his accomplishments from Student Life since arriving on campus 36 years ago:

Following his 36th year at the helm of the Washington University athletic department, Athletic Director John Schael will retire, the University announced Tuesday morning.

Schael came to the University in 1978 following 11 years at the University of Chicago, which included five years as the associate director of physical education and athletics. Since his arrival, the Bears have won 19 national championships, 162 University Athletic Association titles and 5,582 total games, good for a 70.4 percent winning percentage.


http://www.studlife.com/sports/2014/01/14/breaking-athletic-director-john-schael-to-step-down/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 15, 2014, 12:29:45 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 13, 2014, 01:05:19 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on January 04, 2014, 01:20:43 AM
Unfortunately, the menacing UAA conference slate is still ahead!

You gotta be excited about the big win over Carnegie Mellon! The Spartans were the only team to win on the road in Weekend 1 of conference play.

From the press release:

CLEVELAND – An inspired 13-1 run in the final minutes led the Case Western Reserve University men's basketball team to an 84-81 victory versus rival Carnegie Mellon University (Pa.) in the 2014 University Athletic Association opener on Saturday evening at Horsburgh Gymnasium.

The Spartans improve to 9-3 for the first time since the 2005-06 campaign. The Tartans drop to 7-5.

All five Spartan starters scored in double-figures led by senior center David Thompson (Plano, Texas/Plano Senior) with 18 points and nine rebounds, just missing a ninth-straight double-double. Junior guard Julien Person (Houston, Texas/Second Baptist) scored 17, and junior forward Dane McLoughlin (Westerville, Ohio/St. Charles Preparatory) added his third career double-double with 15 points and 12 rebounds.


The Spartans trailed by as many as 16 in the second half and were down 79-70 with 3:27 left to play. Refusing to call it a day, Case scored 13 of the next 14 over the following 3:08 to lead 83-80 with 19 seconds on the clock. Thompson brought the score to 80-78 with a layup at 1:35, and Person tied the game with a layup at 1:26.

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2013-14/releases/20140111n0yiy7


CWRU was up as much as 10 in first half only to go down by 16 in second before unreal finish.

But it was home game for the Spartans
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 15, 2014, 04:32:00 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on January 15, 2014, 12:29:45 PM
But it was home game for the Spartans

That should have been obvious from the press release I included.  I followed the live stats on my phone and I thought for sure it was hosted on a Carnegie Mellon server.  Thanks for the correction.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 16, 2014, 11:17:39 AM


Gut check tomorrow at U of R
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2014, 06:22:58 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on January 16, 2014, 11:17:39 AM
Gut check tomorrow at U of R

Rochester maybe 6-6 on the season, but they have not lost at home since the first game of the season.

Also, in the latest from Massey, the UAA is ranked No 1 in Division III with a combined 63-25 record and only two teams out of the Top 100. 

No. 13 Washington
No. 31 Emory
No. 40 New York
No. 73 Chicago
No. 78 Case Western
No. 84 Brandeis
No. 125 Carnegie Mellon
No. 128 Rochester
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2014, 10:31:33 PM
Carnegie Mellon gets the first road win in the UAA with a 95-83 win over Emory in Atlanta.  The Tartans trailed by one at the half before knocking down 61 second half points.  Rochester over Case Western 69-66.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2014, 10:59:20 PM
Chicago gets the win over NYU in Hyde Park, 58-50 providing for a six-way tie for second in UAA conference play.  The game was very close until a late run gave Chicago the lead. 

The Chicago student broadcasters had something I had never seen in Division III: a student sideline reporter. 

Otherwise, Washington University takes a one game lead in the conference championship race with an 82-72 win over Brandeis.  Unfortunately, I had to watch this from home, but enjoyable nonetheless.  I plan to be in the Field House on Sunday when the Bears try to put some distance on an NYU team that was 11-1 before tonight and receiving votes in the poll.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 18, 2014, 08:03:04 PM
Very entertaining game at Ratner last night. NYU really looked as though it was a step slower, or that perhaps the Violets were caught unaware by a faster pace than they'd been used to playing in non-conference action. Chicago dominated most of the game. The Violets did catch up in the second half and actually took a brief 38-35 lead midway through the second stanza, but the Maroons answered the run with one of their own and were pretty much in control over the game's final five minutes, with Royce Muskeyvalley's (12 pts, 4 asts) transition play being the big difference down the stretch. Charlie Hughes, who was a real matchup problem for NYU, led the Maroons with 15. Iyoha Agbo hit three triples en route to 16 points for the Violets.

There was an amusing moment when an NYU dad who was sitting near me (I won't mention his son's name), who was constantly yelling at the refs throughout the game, let out an infuriated cry of, "Hey, refs! You godda problem wit' Noo Yoahk?" I had to chuckle, as some questions answer themselves. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 18, 2014, 10:31:37 PM
The Wash-U/Brandeis game last night was very physical and contentious, with players yapping back and forth, not-so-subtle shoulder bumps and nudges, and on a jump-ball tie-up between Brandeis' Tim Reale and Wash-U's Clinton Hooks, both players pushed each other hard with the basketball in their hands...I thought at that point a hockey game might break out.  Fortunately, the tempers didn't bubble over into scuffles.

Wash-U played great defense in the first half, limiting Brandeis to 27% shooting and 2-12 (17%) from 3-point range.  That was significant, since Derek Retos burned Wash-U last year at the Fieldhouse with 6 treys in 12 attempts.  First half score:  Wash-U 33, Brandeis 22...as the Bears enjoyed advantages of 22-10 in points-in-the-paint and 9-0 in 2nd-chance points.

Both teams opened up their offenses in the 2nd half, but Brandeis could only enjoy a slight 50-49 edge in scoring in the 2nd half.  Wash-U prevailed 82-72.

Chris Klimek had 25 points, Alan Aboona 17 (all in the 2nd half), Tim Cooney 15 and 7 assists, and Matt Palucki had 10 after early foul troubles kept him to 2 points in the first half.  Unsung heroes:  Nick Burt tied a career-high with 9 rebounds, and Jordan Rapp had 6 points and 5 rebounds in 8 minutes of play off the bench in the first half when Palucki and Brandon Staffeil each had 2 fouls.  I believe Rapp had only 3 points all season, before he was summoned to action last night.

Gabe Moton tried to singlehandedly carry Brandeis on his shoulders, pouring in 26 points (19 in the 2nd half),  Unfortunately for the Judges, no one else scored in double figures.

Tough game tomorrow, as NYU comes to St. Louis loaded for bear (pun intended), after losing at Chicago last night.  Evan Kupferberg has emerged as a dominant force inside, with 17.2 ppg and 9.6 rpg.  Costas Gontikas is a good partner for Kup, with 12.8 ppg and 6.0 rpg.  And, Ryan Tana gave Wash-U some problems last season with his lateral quickness; and he is also averaging nearly 12 ppg.  The Violets are strong rebounders as well, so Wash-U has a big early-conference season at high noon Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 19, 2014, 05:09:04 PM
Washington University moves to 3-0 in the conference with a big 81-65 win over NYU.  The Bears were led by Matt Palucki who scored 29 points on 10-15 shooting including a 5-7 performance from three point range.   

NYU may lead Division III in rebounding, but lost that battle today by 33-43.

Emory rebounded from the home loss on Friday to murder Case Western, 102-76. Emory went 15-26 from three point range in the win.

Carnegie over Rochester on the road by six.  Chicago over Brandeis at home by 10.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on January 19, 2014, 10:31:53 PM
Ugh!!!  Emory just gave us a BEAT DOWN!!!!

:'(
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 19, 2014, 11:35:02 PM
Matt Palucki has been the go-to for Washington University early in conference play, including the 26 point effort against Chicago last weekend and the 29 point effort against NYU today.  Palucki was a versatile offensive threat last season, but his three point shooting efforts are worth a second look.  He went 4-9 from three point range against Chicago and 5-7 against NYU, along with 4-7 against Wheaton, and is 33-71 on the season.

I am not sure that anyone is surprised he can make them from downtown.  Even though he only registered 63 three point attempts in his first two seasons, he regularly shot from just inside the arc.  And, he is taking and making more this season.  His three year scoring stats are below.

It is worth noting that even though I did not include his rebounding stats, Palucki continues to be strong on the boards, and the 11 rebounds he had today were enough for him to register his eight career double-double.



2013-2014
Minutes-Average: 30.6
FG-FGA: 74-136 (.544)
3FG-FGA: 33-71 (.465) 
Points-Average: 14.8

2012-2013
Minutes-Average: 32.6 
FG-FGA: 95-216 (.440) 
3FG-FGA: 16-49 (.327)
Points-Average: 9.5

2011-2012
Average Minutes: 20.3 
FG-FGA:  74-144 (.514)   
3FG-FGA: 7-14 (.500) 
Points-Average:  6.9
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 20, 2014, 10:54:46 PM
Palucki does make WashU much more dangerous, with his 3-point prowess.  Teams can't overplay Alan Aboona as the only bonafide outside threat.  Adding Luke Silverman-Lloyd to the 3-ball mix gives the Bears the arsenal it needs to keep up with the 3-point shooting teams in the UAA...and it allows more room inside for Chris Klimek to keep him out of more foul situations.

This a team that has good balance right now, and it will need that on the upcoming 4-game road trip that spans the next two weekends.  WashU's only road win was a short walk to Fontbonne this season, and the last road loss was at IWU.  The Bears have developed more scoring depth since then, and we will see if it translates into big road wins on the UAA trail.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 24, 2014, 06:23:52 PM
It is so true what you say. Even in the loss against Emory, Case Western went 12-24 from three point range while we have had our share of 3-10, 4-20, 5-21 and 7-18 performances. 

In reviewing the stats, it looks like Washington University 177th in three points FGM nationally and 7th in the conference.

Otherwise, the NCAA tweeted today that Washington University has the toughest schedule in the nation based on a 66.1 percent opponent win percentage.  Massey has the strength of schedule at 17.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2014, 10:08:16 PM
Chicago eked out a 65-64 win at Carnegie Mellon in a game in which they were without the services of leading scorer Charlie Hughes. The Maroons stormed out to an early 23-7 lead, mostly because their transition game was simply running the Tartans right off the floor. The Tartans eventually adjusted, and largely dominated the last 30 minutes or so of the game. They finally caught and passed Chicago at 54-53 with seven minutes and change remaining, and built that lead up to as much as five at 60-55 with four minutes to go. But CMU was unable to knock down some great looks at the rim, Royce Muskeyvalley made a huge three with :47 left to cut the Tartans' lead to 64-63, and then he followed it up with further heroics by knocking down a fallaway 14-footer with one second left in the game. The Tartans actually got off a halfcourt shot at the buzzer from Rashaun Riley that came pretty close to going in, but it was too strong off the glass.

Very entertaining game to watch, but the CMU students who called the game were irritating. Although serious homers, they actually weren't bad on most of the calls and analyses, but their persistent and, frankly, obnoxious whining about the officials was just too much to bear.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 24, 2014, 11:40:38 PM
Chris Klimek had a Moses Malone-like 26 points and 18 rebounds in WashU's 77-64 win at Case.  Klimek had an edge to his game that was reminiscent of Jaimie McFarlin's scowl that she wore from the start of UAA play to the closing moments of the women's national championship victory in the 2009-10 season.  He needed that edge to keep repelling the upset-minded Spartans.

Case trailed by only 5 points at halftime, and led 50-46 with 12:40 to play.  Klimek made 3 straight baskets to push WashU up 52-50.  That was the beginning of a 20-1 run to give the Bears a 66-51 lead with 5:40 left.  Then after Case closed within 6 points at 68-62 with 3:03 left, Klimek and Tim Cooney outscored the Spartans 9-2 the rest of the way.

Cooney added 18 points, Alan Aboona 12 and 8 assists, and Nick Burt added 12 points.  Matt Palucki was limited to 5 points, but he gathered 12 rebounds.  The Bears outscored Case 44-22 in the paint. The Spartans were led by David Thompson's 13 points/10 rebounds, Dane McLoughlin's 17 points, and Tim Chung had 10.

WashU travels to Pittsburgh to visit Carnegie Mellon Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 26, 2014, 12:55:44 PM
Interesting game in Waltham as Emory leads Brandeis 52-51 at the half (!) Emory is shooting 67% as they are driving the lane at will, with no Brandeis defense.  But while Emory hits 2's at will, Brandeis has hit enough 3's to keep it close. In fact, they would have had the lead at half time if Gabe Moton hadn't lost the ball going in for a clear layup. Alex Stoyle came in late for Brandeis and hit a couple of threes.  Coach Meehan seems to be working in some of the underclassmen more and more. 

more in a bit.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 26, 2014, 02:15:20 PM
Emory wins 94-88, Moton with 32 for 'Deis, Florin - 26 for Emory.

Brandeis had a chance to tie with less than a minute when Vilmont lost control on a runner, rest was free throws.

As noted earlier, a lot of increased play by the younger Judges, as some of the upperclassmen who started with great promise, particularly 3 years ago when they started 11-0, have been benched. Tough times.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 26, 2014, 04:06:37 PM
Three weeks in, it looks like Washington University in first with Emory a game behind in second.  The Bears take on the Emory Eagles in Atlanta next Sunday and then again in St. Louis the following Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on January 27, 2014, 02:55:06 AM
Good win for Case over Chicago.

We definitely needed a "bounce-back" win.  I'm still hoping that we can have a respectable UAA finish.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 27, 2014, 04:06:42 PM
Chicago's leading scorer Charlie Hughes didn't play.

That said, the Spartans have five straight games that they have a good chance to win any or all.  8-6 UAA is not beyond possible.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 31, 2014, 08:43:47 PM
Rochester leading Washington University 32-22 late in the first half.  The 1-4 Yellowjackets with an opportunity to take down the 5-0 Bears at home.

RESET: Rochester leading Washington University 39-31 at the half.  The Yellow Jackets are shooting 50 percent overall.  The Bears are struggling.  Of the statistics worth mentioning, Rochester is 7-13 from three point range while Washington is 2-11.
__________

Washington 78
Rochester 75

I chose not to pay the $6.95 fee for the video feed, though it seems as though this game may have been worth it.  I would love a full report from someone who watched.

As far as I can tell, the Bears reeled in the Yellow Jackets early in the second half behind the play of Chris Klimek.  The teams battled back and forth throughout the second half, leading to seven lead changes. Rochester nearly pulled the upset by shooting 15-26 (57 percent) from three point range, but Washington pulled ahead in the final minute and held on.  All five starters for the Bears scored in double figures, led by Klimek (20) and Palucki (16).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 31, 2014, 10:26:56 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on January 27, 2014, 02:55:06 AM
I'm still hoping that we can have a respectable UAA finish.

And, Case Western Reserve gets the win over Brandeis 74-66 on throwback weekend (I think) while NYU defeated Carnegie Mellon.  Did you get to go to the game?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 31, 2014, 10:35:14 PM
I believe he's in Afghanistan.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 31, 2014, 11:48:01 PM
Chicago 69
Emory 60

In a game that was delayed until 10:00 EST due to weather concerns, Chicago (4-2) moves in to a second place tie with Emory (4-2) with a rematch in Chicago exactly one week away.  Washington (6-0) will travel to Atlanta for an opportunity to preserve the two game lead on the field as we reach the half-way point.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jeffjo on February 01, 2014, 07:11:26 AM
Quote from: WUH on January 31, 2014, 08:43:47 PM
I chose not to pay the $6.95 fee for the video feed, though it seems as though this game may have been worth it.  I would love a full report from someone who watched.
As did I. I refused to pay it more because I didn't want to let them justify it, than its affordability.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on February 01, 2014, 07:14:58 AM
Quote from: WUH on January 31, 2014, 10:26:56 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on January 27, 2014, 02:55:06 AM
I'm still hoping that we can have a respectable UAA finish.

And, Case Western Reserve gets the win over Brandeis 74-66 on throwback weekend (I think) while NYU defeated Carnegie Mellon.  Did you get to go to the game?

No.  Given my current deployment to Afghanistan, I cannot attend any games.  But I try to catch a game here and there over the internet during off-duty hours.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 01, 2014, 02:57:42 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on February 01, 2014, 07:14:58 AM
No.  Given my current deployment to Afghanistan, I cannot attend any games.  But I try to catch a game here and there over the internet during off-duty hours.

Thank you for your service.  Obviously, I am a Washington University fan, but after hearing your story, I guess I am pulling for Case Western Reserve now as well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 02, 2014, 01:58:00 PM
Final:  WashU 70, Emory 66

Game was won by Wash-U FT shooting (over 80%) and 3-point shooting defense (held Emory to 6-29 beyond the arc).

Bears are unbeaten in UAA midway through the conference season, but they replay Rochester and Emory this upcoming weekend at home.  They will need to protect their 3-game lead by successfully protecting their home court advantage.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 03, 2014, 01:47:16 AM
I definitely did not expect the University of Chicago to lose to Rochester, but Rochester was tough at home during non-conference play.

The conference has three teams tied at 4-3 including Case Western Reserve, Emory and Chicago.

At this point a year ago, Rochester was the clear favorite, but they went 1-3 over the last four games of the season giving Washington University one of two big breaks they needed to take the crown.  Three UAA teams would go on to postseason.

It is hard to imagine a Washington University meltdown, but things happen.  Also hard to imagine more than one bid.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 05, 2014, 01:09:18 PM
I am getting very excited for the second half of UAA conference play.

Washington University will host Rochester and Emory this weekend with an opportunity the further the lead on the field and to hand Coach Edwards his 600th win.

It looks like Edwards will become the 81st men's basketball coach to reach the 600 career win mark and, of course, the second basketball coach at Washington to reach the mark.

I noticed that someone has already added Edwards to the Wikipedia list of coaches with 600 wins: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_men's_basketball_coaches_with_600_wins

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 05, 2014, 01:12:41 PM
An article from the student newspaper which acknowledges the role David Fatoki played in the win over Rochester last weekend: http://www.studlife.com/sports/mens-basketball/2014/02/03/mens-hoops-perfect-in-conference-play-with-two-close-victories/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2014, 01:18:24 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 03, 2014, 01:47:16 AM
I definitely did not expect the University of Chicago to lose to Rochester, but Rochester was tough at home during non-conference play.

The conference has three teams tied at 4-3 including Case Western Reserve, Emory and Chicago.

At this point a year ago, Rochester was the clear favorite, but they went 1-3 over the last four games of the season giving Washington University one of two big breaks they needed to take the crown.  Three UAA teams would go on to postseason.

It is hard to imagine a Washington University meltdown, but things happen.  Also hard to imagine more than one bid.

This was kind of mentioned, but the trip for Chicago was brutal... left Chicago on Friday for Atlanta at about the same time they would have left for an Illinois Wesleyan game thanks to a canceled flight. As a result, their game in Atlanta was at 10 PM and they didn't finish until after midnight. They then were up at 5am to catch their flight to Rochester. As a result, the team was exhausted and it caught up with them in their Sunday game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 07, 2014, 10:20:05 AM
Another look at Massey as we enter the second half of conference play.  The UAA remains in a virtual dead heat with the CCIW as the best conference according to Massey.  It is worth noting that the top half of the conference is weaker than in the past few seasons while the bottom half is definitely stronger.  Last season, for example, Rochester and Emory finished at No. 38 and No. 27 while Carnegie Mellon finished in the mid-2XX range.

No. 5 Washington
No. 47 Chicago
No. 48 Emory
No. 56 New York
No. 76 Case Western Reserve
No. 108 Carnegie Mellon
No. 127 Brandeis
No. 145 Rochester
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 07, 2014, 06:52:19 PM
Pivotal weekend for the Spartans.  They swept Brandeis and NYU at home, if they can accomplish the same feat on the road, it will go along way to a top half finish.


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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 07, 2014, 11:20:01 PM
Washington 77
Rochester 61

Washington University defeats Rochester 77-61 to hand Coach Edwards his 600th win. Congratulations Coach! The Bears were led by Chris Klimek who scored 23 points on 10-12 shooting and officially joined 20 other former Bears to have eclipsed the 1,000 career points mark.  It is worth noting that while he is a senior, this is after only three seasons on the floor.

Emory broke the tie for second with a road win over Chicago, 82-74.  Chicago had the lead with two minutes left, but Jake Davis and someone else drained three pointers to give Emory the lead and they held on for the win.  Emory improves to 5-3 in conference play, but they must travel to St. Louis for a Sunday match-up with 8-0 Washington.  A Washington University win on Sunday would give the Bears a four game lead on the field with only three road games left along with two home games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 08, 2014, 04:03:35 PM
Alex Foster made that shot, WUH.

Those of us in the stands at Ratner were treated to a very entertaining and fast-paced game. Chicago actually led most of the way and looked like the better team, although I was impressed with the way that Emory kept mixing up its defenses to keep the Maroons off-balance. Some matchup zone, some extended 1-3-1 (with long-armed 6'9 Austin DaGue at the point), and a lot of trapping.

Jake Davis (28 pts, 10 rebs) was the reason why the Eagles won the game. He was a monster in the second half, scoring 16 points and basically propelling Emory back into the game and eventually into the late lead with his jumpers. He's not flashy, but he's a highly effective offensive force.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 09, 2014, 08:29:24 AM
Quote from: WUH on February 07, 2014, 11:20:01 PM
The Bears were led by Chris Klimek who scored 23 points on 10-12 shooting and officially joined 20 other former Bears to have eclipsed the 1,000 career points mark.  It is worth noting that while he is a senior, this is after only three seasons on the floor.

Do you know if he plans to go to grad school at Wash U and play another season?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 09, 2014, 01:39:00 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 08, 2014, 04:03:35 PM
Jake Davis (28 pts, 10 rebs) was the reason why the Eagles won the game. He was a monster in the second half, scoring 16 points and basically propelling Emory back into the game and eventually into the late lead with his jumpers. He's not flashy, but he's a highly effective offensive force.

Your Chicago updates are always much appreciated.  It looks like Davis is a monster again today in St. Louis with 20 first half points so far.

Washington University and Emory are tied at 40-40 at the intermission.  The Bears are shooting well, but have had 6 turnovers so far.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 09, 2014, 02:43:56 PM
Washington University gives the rankings committee something to think about.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 09, 2014, 11:13:00 PM
Indeed.  Wash-U was able to regain the poise it had lost at times in the first half, to outscore Emory 54-40 in the 2nd half.  Emory seemed to be intent on getting under the skin of the Bears at every opportunity...lots of contact on reach-in attempts to gain steals, words in the ears, shoulder and chest bumping after baskets or stoppages of play.  Unfortunately, Wash-U took that bait early and often and did some pushing and jawing of its own in the first half.  Officials didn't pull the reins tight and tell both teams to knock it off, which I thought was a mistake on their part. 

Game was tied at 40 at halftime, after Jake Davis poured in 20 for Emory...including the last basket of the half to erase a 9-point deficit.  Wash-U was able to settle down and not get rattled in the 2nd half, and channeled its efforts into improving its defense.  The Bears held Emory to 35% shooting in the 2nd half, including a 2-for-11 stifling from 3-point range.  Davis ended up with 36, but even he was limited to 33% in the 2nd half.  On the offensive end, the Bears shot 54% for the game and 61% in the 2nd half.  WashU extended the lead to 20 with under 6 minutes to play, and settled for the 14-point win with reserves on the floor for both teams.

Chris Klimek and Alan Aboona each had 25 points, and Tim Cooney added 15 points.  Nick Burt had a career-high 6 assists to go with 9 rebounds.  David Fatoki, Jordan Rapp, and Will Patt combined for 14 points off the bench.  Emory had McPherson Moore and Alex Foster with 11 points each, and Will Trawick had 10,

Where will Wash-U end up in the upcoming poll?  I have the number "3" in my mind for some reason...but folks here don't seem to be too concerned on where the Bears end up in the balloting.  There still is a lot of flour that needs to be sifted before the biscuits are baked and pulled out of the oven at the end of the season.  I'm far more interested in the regional rankings when they are released this week. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 14, 2014, 10:26:22 PM
Washington 95
Brandeis 82

Washington University moves to 10-0 in the conference after a big road win over Brandeis.  The Bears shot 60 percent from the floor and 60 percent from three point range thanks largely to Alan Aboona who went 6-7 from three point range and 10-10 from the line.  His 30 point performance was exceeded only by Matt Palucki who finished with 32.  Everything he tossed up tonight seemed to drop.

Brandeis looked much better than an 11-10 team.  Brandeis started out hot from three point range, but eventually cooled enough to shoot 50 percent overall.  Congratulations to Ben Bartoldus who scored his 1,000th career point tonight.

Washington travels to New York to play an NYU squad that lost at home to Chicago 68-63.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 15, 2014, 10:48:21 AM
I was surprised that the men's game was so high scoring, given the defensive struggle that was featured in the women's game.  But, if the trio of Aboona, Palucki, and Chris Klimek are shooting well as a unit, opponents have to try and keep up.  I would imagine that Brandeis would have preferred a more modest score in the 60s or 70s.

Some folks watching box scores from afar may be alarmed about the 4-point production from the WashU bench last night.  WashU had 19 fouls...and Tim Cooney, Nick Burt, and Klimek each had 4.  One might think that Mark Edwards was experimenting to see if those starters could log minutes without fouling out.  Klimek played 32 minutes and scored 17 points...Burt had 8 points in 27 minutes, and Cooney logged 23 minutes.  I'd say that experiment worked.  Matt Palucki logged his customary 36 minutes, and Aboona punched in for 39 minutes.  The starters were ironmen last night.

Noe, let's see what happens at NYU after one day of rest.  This may be a game that is geared to test the mettle off the bench, especially after 3 starters put in over 30 minutes at Brandeis.  The Bears' bench has improved significantly over the course of the season, so I'm not wringing my hands in worried fashion.

One more win clinches the outright UAA crown and the AQ...safe travels to the Bears as they try to secure it in snowy NYC.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 16, 2014, 12:15:29 PM
Washington-NYU tied 55-55 with 10 minutes left in the game.  The use of the bench today may be more necessity than experimentation.  The officials have not been particularly consistent on the calls today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 16, 2014, 12:17:51 PM
Klimek with four fouls, Cooney and Burt with three each. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 16, 2014, 12:34:26 PM
Washington with a two point lead with two minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 16, 2014, 12:45:09 PM
Final in a nail biter.

Washington 79
New York 75
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 16, 2014, 01:19:02 PM
Nick Burt's block of a transition layup with 2:15 left was huge.  NYU had lots of momentum and was poised to parlay that into a two-possession lead or more.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 17, 2014, 12:30:56 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on February 16, 2014, 01:19:02 PM
Nick Burt's block of a transition layup with 2:15 left was huge.  NYU had lots of momentum and was poised to parlay that into a two-possession lead or more.

And, it is so rare to see this team block a shot.  Washington University currently ranks No. 305 in blocked shots, though it is worth mentioning that we outrebounded NYU by four on Sunday after going +10 a few weeks ago.  NYU is currently ranked No. 1 in rebounding margin.

__________

Yet another quick look at Massey at the season winds down.

Washington University has been back and forth with Illinois Wesleyan for the No. 3 slot, but the Bears moved ahead on Friday and stayed there on games played through Saturday.  Emory is up to No. 32 while Chicago is at No. 59. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on February 17, 2014, 01:59:36 PM
Congrats to Wash U. on winning the conference again. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 23, 2014, 02:45:17 PM
Whew!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2014, 02:49:09 PM
The final week of the regular season is upon us and already teams are on the bubble hoping to qualify for the NCAA national championships and that can also mean some upsets. So tonight, we focus on the bubble and who has to get it done this week in conference tournaments. We will be talking to Emory MBB coach Jason Zimmerman along with the following guests tonight:

- Rhodes WBB coach Matt Dean
- Lyndon State MBB coach Joe Krupinski
- Wheaton (MA) WBB coach Melissa Hodgdon
- UW-Stevens Point WBB coach Shirley Egner
- Ohio Wesleyan WBB coach Stacey Lobdell off their upset of #1 DePauw
- Baruch WBB coach Machli Joseph
- MSOE MBB coach Brian Miller

We will also feature a special #whyd3 story from York (Pa.) women's basketball you have to see.

Show starts at 7 PM EST and will run until at least 9:30 tonight.

You can tune in here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/feb23 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/jan12)

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- Email (hoopsville@d3hoops.com)

Thanks and enjoy the show!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jeffjo on February 24, 2014, 04:49:46 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 23, 2014, 02:45:17 PM
Whew!
Whew, indeed. Wash U started 10-2, but fell behind 32-21 in the first half. Battled back to tie in the second, but fell behind by 8 with 7 minutes left.

Play sequence of the game: Down 79-78 with a minute left, and the shot clock winding down. Alan Aboona drives along the baseline to take the lead AND foul out Christian Manoli (14 TP, 9 RB, 8 A, all team highs). Misses the and-one, but Nick Burt rebounds. Aboona is fouled again at 0:30, and makes both. Up 82-79, completing the comeback.

The sign of a good team is not always blowing out opponents, but being able to maintain composure and win when you don't start your best.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 25, 2014, 01:43:51 AM
Quote from: jeffjo on February 24, 2014, 04:49:46 PM
Play sequence of the game: Down 79-78 with a minute left, and the shot clock winding down. Alan Aboona drives along the baseline to take the lead AND foul out Christian Manoli (14 TP, 9 RB, 8 A, all team highs). Misses the and-one, but Nick Burt rebounds. Aboona is fouled again at 0:30, and makes both. Up 82-79, completing the comeback.

For those who missed this sequence, the WUSTL SID posted the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rZzUfpRCr8

Obviously, a big game for Aboona and an even bigger game for Tim Cooney, but it is worth mentioning that Nick Burt had a career game with 15 points off 5-8 shooting and 13 rebounds.  It is worth mentioning that Will Patt is playing better than ever.  His minutes have been limited, but his contributions have been big.

Chicago is next with the possibility of an undefeated conference season.  Chicago had an even closer win on Sunday over Case Western.  The Maroons were down by one until Royce Muskeyvalley nailed a three pointer with a second or two on the clock.

The Bears were Royced at the Ratner Center a year ago, but I am looking for a big win on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2014, 12:11:09 AM
Quote from: WUH on February 25, 2014, 01:43:51 AMChicago had an even closer win on Sunday over Case Western.  The Maroons were down by one until Royce Muskeyvalley nailed a three pointer with a second or two on the clock.

No, that was Friday's win over Carnegie Mellon. The Sunday game against Case Western Reserve was a ho-hum 95-80 win for the Maroons. Speaking of Friday's buzzer-beater by Muskeyvalley, it was the second time this season that Chicago beat CMU on a last-second Muskeyvalley shot. He beat the Tartans in January in Pittsburgh on a running 12-footer with less than two seconds left on the clock.

I doubt that he is welcome any longer within the precincts of the Steel City. But I know whom I'd love to have on my team if I needed somebody to take a game-deciding shot at the buzzer.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 27, 2014, 09:45:47 AM
I apologize.  Days, weeks, basketball games...everything has been a blur since paternity leave started. 

It takes everything I have to avoid writing about how Nick Burt is sitting for extended periods.  Or, how Will Patt is showing signs of teething.  My latest Massey Ratings update over at Babycenter.com was not particulary well received either.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 04, 2014, 05:13:47 PM
Congrats to WUStL and Emory making the "dance!"

Also CWRU's David Thompson 2nd Team Academic All-American and finalist for the Josten's.

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2013-14/releases/20140304tp1s86

Then there's the All-UAA:

http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Basketball/13-14%20MBKB%20All-Assoc.pdf

I have a bit of a bone to pick.

Thompson 2nd team, but no C on first team.  And he's the only double-double average.   

Who could argue with him first team and Palucki second?  similar scoring ave, advantage Thompson in reb, and huge advantage in blocks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 07, 2014, 09:22:58 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on March 04, 2014, 05:13:47 PM
I have a bit of a bone to pick.

Thompson 2nd team, but no C on first team.  And he's the only double-double average.   

Who could argue with him first team and Palucki second?  similar scoring ave, advantage Thompson in reb, and huge advantage in blocks.

Your concern is definitely fair.  I obviously was not in on the discussion, but the fact that Washington University went undefeated in the conference obviously influenced the voting.

Congratulations to David Thompson on the Academic All-American love! 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 07, 2014, 11:57:27 PM
Washington 100
Wilmington 69

The Bears got the quick lead behind the Klimek-led offense before Wilmington turned up the defensive pressure and took the lead.  The Bears struggled offensively for a matter of a few minutes but soon got it together and finished the first half with an 18 point lead.   The Quakers would never get back in the game.

Aboona finished with a game high 27 points, but the story of the night was Luke Silverman-Lloyd who scored 13 points in a career game. 

Washington proved again that they are deeper than the starting five.  Will Patt finished with 11, but played some absolutely critical minutes in the first half.  David Fatoki played one of his best games.

The highlight of the night was the break away dunk by Mitch Styczynski which prompted a standing ovation along with the Tom Garvin layup which gave the team 100 points.  Those two possessions made this the best blowout win I have seen.

Overall, the Bears shot 60 percent from the field and 50 percent from three point range along with 23 assists.  The Bears were +9 in rebounding.

I have been particularly pleased by the officiating in the Field House over the last two seasons, but this group of officials were a complete joke.  The Wilmington coach was up in arms over the officiating, but the lack of consistency clearly favored the Quakers.
__________

Washington University will host Calvin on Saturday at 7:00 pm while Emory with the first-round bye will begin tournament action by hosting Centre College.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 08, 2014, 12:18:57 AM
Glad to see Coach Edwards brought Silverman-Lloyd to the press conference tonight.  Well deserved.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on March 08, 2014, 02:29:01 PM
Wash-U arguably played its best game of the season last night, totalling 100 points in a playoff game for only the second time in school history, shooting 61% overall and had 11 treys...and limiting Wilmington to 35% shooting overall and 20% from 3-point range (5-25).  Wash-U also scored 24 points from 19 Wilmington turnovers.  Alan Aboona had 27 points to lead the Bears to their 19th straight victory.

What is most encouraging is the emergence of the bench players providing very productive minutes.  Some believed Wash-U's bench to be too thin early this season, but it is a true strength now.  Will Patt had a career-high 11 points, Luke Silverman-Lloyd tallied 13 points last night--one point away from tying his career high, and David Fatoki has been good at running the offense when Aboona needs a break.  Wash-U had 14 bench points in the first half, an important aspect of its 18-point halftime lead last night.

Calvin will be a very tough opponent for the Bears tonight.  Tyler Kruis is the real deal--he can play the low post and step out to make mid-range and 3-point shots, and he is very good defensively (shutting down Wittenberg's Scott Masin).  Kruis vs. Wash-U's Chris Klimek will be a very interesting battle to watch tonight.  Jordan Daley is a very good on-the-ball defender, which may present a big problem for Aboona.  Hopefully, Tim Cooney can be the same sort of defensive pest against Calvin's Jordan Brink.  And, the Knights only average 9.5 turnovers in their last 8 games.

Matt Palucki will have to stay out of early foul trouble in order to keep his 3-point shooting and rebounding for more than 4 minutes of the first half.  With Kruis, Mickey DeVries, and Dan Stout serving as good rebounders, Palucki and Nick Burt will have to perhaps give up a basket or two inside, in order to avoid picking up costly fouls.  Those two have to be on the floor to help Klimek inside. 

Game time 7:00...pre-game discussion at 6:30 Central.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 08, 2014, 11:13:37 PM
Calvin 83
Washington 75

Congratulations to Calvin on a tremendous effort tonight.  The Knights broke open the game early with a great offensive effort while keeping the Bears out of their offensive rythym.  Washington University finished the first half strong, but watched the Knights break open the game again in the second.  The Bears made a game of it late, but to no avail.

Aboona finished with a game high 26 points on 8-21 shooting before leaving his final game with five fouls.  Klimek finished with 15 points, mostly in the second half, and nine rebounds along with a technical foul that relegated him to the bench for 10 minutes or so.  Tim Cooney finished with 11 on 4-14 shooting.

The officials let them play tonight and this certainly favored Calvin tonight.  It allowed Coach Edwards to keep the starting five in for most of the second half, so we did not see much from the bench.

This was the FOURTH second round loss in FIVE years for Washington University at the Field House.  As friendly as the Field House is during the season, the Bears had to go on the road for rounds one and two during both championship seasons. 

A disappointing end to an otherwise great season for the Bears which featured 16 home or St. Louis based games, an undefeated run through the UAA, a No. 2 regular season ranking in both the D3Hoops.com Top 25 and Massey Ratings and two players joining the 1,000 point club.  Thanks to everyone involved with the program for another fun year.  And, special thanks to Aboona, Cooney, Klimek, Patt and Rapp.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 13, 2014, 12:08:17 PM
Looking ahead to next season, CWRU has gotten commitment from 6'6 twins, Eric and David Black, from Cleveland St. Ignatius.  Both were All-district selections and their team plays in regional semi tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 14, 2014, 10:53:15 PM
Emory is going to overtime against No. 1 Wisconsin-Steven's Point in central Wisconsin.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 14, 2014, 10:58:46 PM
Emory with the three point lead with a 3:30 left.

In the mood for a brat and cheese curds. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 14, 2014, 11:06:32 PM
EMORY, EMORY, EMORY, EMORY, EMORY WINS!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on March 14, 2014, 11:07:40 PM
WOW!! What a shot by Jake Davis to win it!!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 03, 2014, 11:23:12 AM
Washington University and Emory sit in fourth and fifth place in the latest Director's Cup standings.  Chicago and NYU are also in the Top 25 with Chicago at eighth and NYU at 23rd.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacda/sports/directorscup/auto_pdf/2013-14/misc_non_event/Apr3DIIIRelease.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on April 07, 2014, 10:27:47 AM
CWRU recruits:

http://www.d3bballrecruits.com/2013/04/case-western.html

Zucker was All-Ohio DIII 3rd Team
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: madzillagd on April 17, 2014, 10:25:21 AM
Wash U gets even bigger with the addition of David Schmelter to go along with the Black twins.  Going to be a serious front court to contend with in a couple years I'd imagine.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 18, 2014, 04:51:24 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on April 07, 2014, 10:27:47 AM
CWRU recruits:

http://www.d3bballrecruits.com/2013/04/case-western.html

Zucker was All-Ohio DIII 3rd Team

Here's another one:

http://monroecountybasketball.com/2014/04/15/vandecaveye-to-play-basketball-in-college/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on April 18, 2014, 06:01:43 PM
Quote from: madzillagd on April 17, 2014, 10:25:21 AM
Wash U gets even bigger with the addition of David Schmelter to go along with the Black twins.  Going to be a serious front court to contend with in a couple years I'd imagine.

I thought the Black twins were going to Case Western Reserve? At least this post earlier said that.



Quote from: ADL70 on March 13, 2014, 12:08:17 PM
Looking ahead to next season, CWRU has gotten commitment from 6'6 twins, Eric and David Black, from Cleveland St. Ignatius.  Both were All-district selections and their team plays in regional semi tonight.

Are there 2 sets of Black twins?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: madzillagd on April 18, 2014, 06:03:46 PM
You're right.  I was thinking Wash in my head and didn't look at the earlier posts.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 20, 2014, 04:08:47 PM
For those who may not know... Chicago will be participating in the Hoopsville Classic on November 21-23. Here is more information and the pairings: www.d3hoops.com/notables/2014/06/hoopsville-classic-pairings-announced (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2014/06/hoopsville-classic-pairings-announced)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 07, 2014, 11:03:07 AM
Just a quick note: Washington University has posted both the schedule and the roster.

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2014-15/schedule
http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2014-15/roster

After a season in which the Bears played seven non-conference games in the Field House, plus two games at Fontbonne, for 2014-2015, it looks like the fans will get three including both Lopata Classic games and another reading week match-up against Illinois Wesleyan along with the Webster on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Hugenerd on November 04, 2014, 03:42:26 PM
Looks like CMU has a D1 transfer from TCU, Kemal Dincer, along with 4 freshman on their roster.

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/mbkb/2014-15/roster

Dincer didnt play significantly on his Big 12 squad as a freshman or sophomore, but appears to have played international ball previously in Turkey.

http://www.gofrogs.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/kemal_dincer_826809.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 05, 2014, 12:41:28 PM
CWRU roster

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2014-15/roster

7 frosh and Jordan Dean PG UAA RoY in 2011-12 returns after sitting out last year.

CWRU sched

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2014-15/schedule

Dec 19 at DI Bucknell!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 06, 2014, 12:03:41 AM
In addition to Case Western Reserve at Bucknell, there are at least two other UAA schools playing exhibition games against Division I opponents.

Chicago played at Butler over the weekend, losing 88-45, while playing with only two starters, I believe, from last season in Nate Brooks and Jordan Smith: http://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/mbkb/2014-15/boxscores/20141101_ta6u.xml 

Royce Muskeyvalley is out for the season and did not play!  This is an absolutely devastating loss for the Maroons.

Emory will play the College of Charleston this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 06, 2014, 01:36:05 PM
Agreed, WUH. The loss of Muskeyvalley is a crushing blow for the Maroons.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 08, 2014, 10:32:52 PM
Emory fell to Division I College of Charleston 78-68. Emory scored 13 unanswered points while trailing late in the game to pull within 6.

Press Release
http://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/20141108ouh8vm
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 12, 2014, 10:57:33 AM
CWRU preview

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/20141111l99yhd
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: AndOne on November 12, 2014, 10:35:24 PM
Quote from: WUH on November 06, 2014, 12:03:41 AM
In addition to Case Western Reserve at Bucknell, there are at least two other UAA schools playing exhibition games against Division I opponents.

Chicago played at Butler over the weekend, losing 88-45, while playing with only two starters, I believe, from last season in Nate Brooks and Jordan Smith: http://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/mbkb/2014-15/boxscores/20141101_ta6u.xml 

Royce Muskeyvalley is out for the season and did not play!  This is an absolutely devastating loss for the Maroons.

Emory will play the College of Charleston this weekend.

As good as he is, this was hard to believe, but information from a very well placed source indicates that Muskeyvalley would not be starting, at least at the beginning of the season, should he have been healthy. Obviously, I can't reveal the source of the information, but knowing where the info came from, I'd be willing to bet a very large sum of money that the info is valid beyond any shadow of doubt.                       
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 15, 2014, 06:06:06 PM
Washington University leads Rhodes at the half 39-35 in a game with multiple lead changes.  The Bears led by as many as 11.

The Bears starting line-up including David Fatoki, Matt Palucki, Nick Burt as expected with Luke Silverman-Lloyd and big Mitch Styczynski getting, I believe, their first career starts.

Coach Edwards played 12 players in the first half.  Besides the starters, freshman Matt Highsmith is the only other player to score, scoring 7 on 3-3 shooting and a free throw.  Matt Highsmith is a Parkway South product.

I am on following along with the live stats, though I have watched parts of Chicago at Lake Forest.  The Maroons are up 41-25 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 15, 2014, 06:34:42 PM
Mitch Styczynski with 7 in the second half and Palucki with 18 as the Bears lead by two with six minutes to go.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 15, 2014, 06:42:07 PM
Washington University leads by 9 with 3:04 to go. Styczynski with 11 while Fatoki and Silverman-Lloyd have 16 and 14 respectively.

Chicago holds a 10 point lead with 6:XX left to go.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 15, 2014, 06:52:44 PM
Washington University gets the win over Rhodes 85-71.

Chicago leads by four late in the game against Lake Forest.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 16, 2014, 03:09:31 AM
Chicago held on to win 75-68 over Lake Forest College thanks largely to a career high 27 points by Jordan Smith.

Box Score
http://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/mbkb/2014-15/boxscores/20141115_ryn3.xml

__________

As for Royce Muskeyvalley, I find it hard to believe that Muskeyvalley would be coming off the bench to support Tyler Howard, but anything is possible.  In the limited play I watched today, the bench looked as good as the starters, excluding Jordan Smith.  It is only the first game, but based on tonight, I am not sure if Coach McGrath has the starting line-up set.

I have no insider knowledge, so I am not aware of any other issues with Muskevalley, but given his prior three years, at least for the moment, I still consider this a devastating loss.

Muskeyvalley Bio

Career:

    As of the end of 2013-14, ranks No. 8 in school history with 229 assists

2013-14:

    Second Team All-UAA
    Started all 25 games with 10.1 points and 1.8 rebounds per game
    Led the team with 92 assists (3.7 per game) and 34 steals (1.4 per game) on the season
    Posted 11 games with double digits in points
    Made three game-winning jumpers on the season versus Whitman (Nov. 22) and twice against Carnegie Mellon (Jan. 24 and Feb. 21)
    Scored a season-high 24 points with five assists versus Case Western Reserve
    Recorded 22 points with five assists versus Washington & Lee
    Tallied 17 points and a season-best eight assists against Carnegie Mellon

2012-13:

    Honorable Mention All-UAA
    Started 23 out of 25 games played; averaged 8.4 points, 3.4 assists and 1.8 rebounds
    Tallied double-digit points in 10 contests
    Dished out nine assists with 12 points versus Dominican
    Scored a season-best 18 points against Rochester
    Handed out eight assists versus Albion

2011-12:

    Played in all 25 contests; averaged 4.1 points, 2.1 assists and 0.9 rebounds per game
    Ranked third the team in assists (52) and steals (13)
    Had 12 points and four steals against Kalamazoo (Dec. 2)
    Season-high 16 points (7-9 from the field) at Emory (Feb. 3)
    Dished out season-high seven assists and added six points versus Berry (Dec. 17)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 16, 2014, 03:22:39 AM
Carnegie Mellon over Pitt Greensburg 99-93
Rochester over Nazareth 61-53
NYU over John Jay College 80-51
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 16, 2014, 02:19:47 PM
Hendrix lead Washington University by 7 with seven minutes to play in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 16, 2014, 02:38:34 PM
Hendrix maintains the lead over Washington University, 34-32 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 16, 2014, 03:38:10 PM
Washington University goes 2-0 on the season with a 75-68 win over Hendrix. Nick Burt leads the way with 17 while David Fatoki drops in 16.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 23, 2014, 11:54:35 AM
The UAA is 20-5 after the first two weekends with two games left today.

Emory, Carnegie Mellon, Case Western Reserve, Rochester, and Washington University are all undefeated while Chicago is 2-1, NYU is 2-2 and Brandeis is 0-2.

Emory began the season with a 104-77 win over Oglethorpe in a game in which the Eagles compiled the following notable stats: 14 three pointers, 51 rebounds, and 23 assists.  Alex Foster scored 38 on 15-23 shooting while three other starters scored in double figures including 18 by Will Trawick. 

Chicago fell to Worcester Polytechnic Institute yesterday in overtime after defeating Lake Forest and Dominican.

Carnegie Mellon is averaging 91 pointers per game (53% field goal percentage) as they move to 4-0 on the season thanks largely to Serbin and Cordts who are averaging 20 and 19 points per game.  They are also shooting 50% from three point range.

Case Western Reserve is 3-0 with Dane McLoughlin averaging 19 points per game.  The Black twins have as making an impact as freshmen, averagine 14 and 9 points per game respectively.  Eric Black scored 22 on 9-10 shooting against Wilmington.

Washington University moves to 4-0 with a 73-69 win over Wheaton last night in a game reminiscent of the four point win a year ago.  Nick Burt and Matt Palucki finished with 17 points and 11 rebounds each, but the story off the bench is Matt Highsmith who scored 14 on 7-10 shooting and four rebounds in 25 minutes.   Highsmith is averaging 7 points per game in 15 minutes.  It is worth mentioning that the Bears had a mere 7 turnovers last night after struggling with turnovers in the first two games.

Last December, I suggested that it was way too early to reference the Massey Ratings, but since I do not expect to get this chance again, let me indulge myself and say that after just two weekends worth of data: Washington University is currently No. 1 and the UAA is currently the No. 1 conference.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 24, 2014, 10:55:29 AM
#UAAproblems

An interesting story involving Emory University today.  Apparently, Emory students have found a way to buy and sell seats in popular classes.  One student even developed a website to facilitate the process and has exported it to the University of Chicago.

http://chronicle.com/article/An-Unusual-Honor-Code/150207/?key=SD0lIlg6NXIXbHBjNWxAYTpUPXZoMBhyMiFPay4vbl5RFg==
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 24, 2014, 03:29:29 PM
And, speaking of Emory, the Eagles took Hope College to five sets in the NCAA national championship today, but to no avail.  Congratulations to the Emory Eagles on a great season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 24, 2014, 04:57:17 PM
Further on the Black twins:

David has one start and is second in rebounding and fourth in scoring.  Off the bench, Eric is second in scoring and fourth in rebs.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 01, 2014, 01:30:03 PM
Disclaimer: I am about to brag about Washington University citing the Massey Ratings when it is way too early, but hey...

It has been a few years, but yet again, both the Washington University Men's and Women's basketball teams are ranked No. 1 in the Massey Ratings. 

The Washington University women are 5-0 with a resume win over the Illinois Wesleyan Titans on Sunday, 82-59.  Melissa Gilkey is shooting 56% from the field averaging 18 points and 9 rebounds per game.

The men are 6-0 after two wins in California over the weekend.  The Bears are getting more scoring from the bench than in past years with the big story from the bench continues to be the play of freshman Matt Highsmith, as the latest game recap points out, is averaging 8.2 points per game on 72% shooting from the field.  Highsmith scored 14 against Wheaton and 15 against Fontbonne.  The Bears are getting solid contributions from others off the bench as well.  Turnovers continue to be a problem.

The Bears return to the Field House for the Lopata Classic and the first and second of just three non-conference home games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 02, 2014, 07:42:44 PM
The Lopata Classic will be very interesting...two Top 10 teams that won't play each other (Wash-U & Emory) because they will meet later in conference play, La Verne plays good defense and has a player who is averaging 14 points/game off the bench, and Trinity TX that has a lot of beef in the post but only has 3 seniors compared to 7 freshmen and 5 sophomores.

Bears have been buoyed by vets stepping up their performances from last season (Matt Palucki, Nick Burt, David Fatoki), sophomores and juniors flourishing in new roles and added minutes (Luke Silverman-Lloyd, Brandon Staffeil, Mitch Styczynski, Michael Bregman); and a freshman (Matt Highsmith) who leads the UAA with 74% shooting from the floor and already contributes nearly 9 points/game.

This combination of veteran leadership and a suddenly deep bench could make this Wash-U team scary good, as the season progresses...knock on wood.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 02, 2014, 07:54:35 PM
Upset Alert:  Emory 37, Piedmont 37 at halftime.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 02, 2014, 08:02:32 PM
Piedmont outshooting Emory 52-37% and outscoring from FT line 11-4.  At Piedmont.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 05, 2014, 09:49:36 PM
At the half: Washington University leads La Verne, 39-22.

I said it before and I'll say it again: Matt Highsmith is for real.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 05, 2014, 11:52:52 PM
Final: Washington University moves to 7-0 on the season with the 83-48 win over La Verne.  The Bears broke the game open midway through the first half and held the Leopards at length for the rest of the game.

Overall, a good game for the starters including a 15 point, 4 rebound effort by Luke Silverman-Lloyd.  11 points and 6 assists for David Fatoki and 14 points for Matt Palucki. 

Matt Highsmith came in off the bench for 10 points (nearly two above his 8.2 season average) and 4 rebounds in 22 minutes.  12 other players came in off the bench and combined for 24 of the 83 points. 

One question prior to the start of the season was who was going to back up David Fatoki.  The answer so far in the games I have seen have been senior Kent Lacob and freshman Kevin Kucera.  Lacob has been getting more minutes, but tonight Kucera played a very good 10 minutes.

Washington University will take on a 0-6 Trinity (Texas) who lost to Emory by a mere 9 points in the first game of the Lopata Classic.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2014, 12:17:46 AM
I forgot to mention: both Burt and Highsmith had thunderous dunks.  You do not often see those, so worth mentioning.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2014, 08:11:26 PM
Emory leads La Verne midway through the second half, 64-38.

I think the Dr. Pepper Bold Flavor guy plays for the Leopards.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwac.450f.edgecastcdn.net%2F80450F%2Fhot1047.com%2Ffiles%2F2013%2F12%2FMountainMan1.jpg&hash=0509bb2cb42601848f03771e395efa197ac46398)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2014, 08:45:21 PM
Emory wraps up the 80-59 win over La Verne.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2014, 09:39:18 PM
Washington University leads Trinity at the half, 43-36.

The Bears started out on a 14-0 run scoring 19 in the first five minutes or so.  Things cooled down as the subs came in and Trinity found their legs.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2014, 09:54:44 PM
Trinity scored 9 straight to take the lead.  Turnover city for the Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2014, 09:58:25 PM
It may be time to put out an upset alert.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2014, 10:07:26 PM
61-61 but with the way Trinity is shooting...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2014, 10:19:53 PM
Bears trail by 5 and in real danger.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2014, 10:35:39 PM
Trinity nearly had an and-one to set up a possible tie.  8 seconds left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2014, 10:38:33 PM
Bears lead by 5 with 6 seconds.  Trinity ball.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2014, 10:40:43 PM
No upset tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on December 06, 2014, 10:49:37 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 06, 2014, 10:40:43 PM
No upset tonight.
"Bear-ly" no upset!  You can thank your Palucki!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2014, 11:49:22 PM
Matt Palucki did indeed save the day.  He carried his weight and much, much more tonight and was awarded the Lopata Classic Most Valuable Player for his efforts.  Palucki finished with 28 points, including a 12-13 performance from the free throw line, and 8 rebounds. 

David Fatoki was also named to the all-tournament team.  He scored 15 and dished out 9 assists.  He has really stepped up his game this season.

I think the Bears were exposed tonight for their lack of depth, with only six players getting substantial playing time.  Matt Highsmith played 27 minutes, but struggled to score against the Trinity defense.  He was not alone.

In the first half, I remember thinking that Brandon Staffeil and Michael Bregman needed to take better shots if they wanted to play more.  Then, Bregman came on for an extended period in the second half and went 1-5 from three point range.  I was surprised he stayed on as long as he did, though he was part of an effective defensive effort by the Bears.

I have no idea how Trinity is 0-7 on the season, but they did not look like a winless team tonight. A.J. Pulliam was an absolute stud as was Matt Selling.  They mounted an incredible comeback, fueled largely on three pointers and a particularly effective zone defense.  Their zone will be studied by coaches in the weeks to come.  The Bears better be ready to attack it.

The Bears keep their streak of a million or so Lopata Classic wins in a row and move to 8-0 on the season.  Next up, and just in time for finals week, are Webster and Illinois Wesleyan.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 06, 2014, 11:55:10 PM
32 Lopata games in a row.  What a roller coaster ride tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 07, 2014, 12:10:28 AM
Quote from: jaybird44 on December 06, 2014, 11:55:10 PM
32 Lopata games in a row.  What a roller coaster ride tonight!

I do not know how you stay neutral on the play by play call for a game like that when your team is involved. 

I would have been screaming like the guy who called the Albertus Magnus tourney buzzer beater a few years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLVqtEcB_ic
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 07, 2014, 01:52:48 AM
LOL

I learned about 20 years ago that a lot of hollering leads to a loss of voice.  Best learning day in my broadcasting career was doing PBP of all 7 games of the KMOX/Coca-Cola Shootout.  I discovered that I could still convey excitement without going bananas...very important in that long day's journey into night, when the first game went to double OT and the second game went to single OT.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 07, 2014, 08:39:33 AM
Quote from: WUH on December 06, 2014, 11:49:22 PM
I have no idea how Trinity is 0-7 on the season, but they did not look like a winless team tonight. A.J. Pulliam was an absolute stud as was Matt Selling.  They mounted an incredible comeback, fueled largely on three pointers and a particularly effective zone defense.  Their zone will be studied by coaches in the weeks to come.  The Bears better be ready to attack it.

I guess last night's game was a tune up to face the Webster zone on Wednesday. I expect the Bears to have a much easier time with Webster.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 07, 2014, 04:30:06 PM
Trinity has the interior beef to make it tough to dissolve a zone from within. A.J. Pulliam and Matt Selling was joined by Josh Ingram and Matthew Bender off the bench to make it difficult to do business in the paint.

Overall, Trinity is a rapidly improving team.  It really struggled and stumbled, seemingly disjointed in its 81-55 loss at Concordia TX.  I think Head Coach Pat Cunningham hit the reset button on the way to St. Louis, and the team responded well.  Friday night, Trinity came back from a 15-point second half deficit to cut #6 Emory's lead to 5 points on 4 occasions.  That set the foundation of confidence to play WashU tough last night.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on December 07, 2014, 08:00:29 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 06, 2014, 11:49:22 PM
I think the Bears were exposed tonight for their lack of depth, with only six players getting substantial playing time. ...
I have no idea how Trinity is 0-7 on the season, but they did not look like a winless team tonight. ... Their zone will be studied by coaches in the weeks to come.  The Bears better be ready to attack
bench depth might be a problem vs IWU which uses bench early, often and deep.  Yep, I would think IWU might show WUSTL some zone.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 07, 2014, 11:36:55 PM
Quote from: iwumichigander on December 07, 2014, 08:00:29 PM
Bench depth might be a problem vs IWU which uses bench early, often and deep.  Yep, I would think IWU might show WUSTL some zone.

Depth is definitely a concern this season, but the level of concern has certainly yet to be determined.

Keep in mind, this team lost the UAA player of the year and defensive player of the year along with a 4 year starting point guard that combined accounted for 45 points and 15 rebounds per game last season, but returned two senior starters, and a junior and senior reserve that featured heavily in the rotation last season.

Washington University has arguably played three close games this season including Hendrix, Wheaton, and Trinity, but Coach Edwards relied less on the reserves last night, particularly in the second half, then in the other two games, relying heavily on the following rotation to close out the game:

Starters (including latest season statistics)
Matt Palucki 17.8 ppg, 8.1 rpg
Nick Burt 13 ppg, 5.3 rpg
Luke Silverman-Lloyd 9.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg
David Fatoki 10 ppg, 2.1 rpg

Bench (including latest season statistics)
Matt Highsmith 8.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg
Michael Bregman 5.4 ppg, 2.0 rpg

Mitch Styczynski is a starter who played most of his 10 minutes in the first 20-30 minutes of the game so I did not include him in the list above.  He is averaging 4.0 ppg, 3 rpg.  Brandon Staffeil is averaging 3 ppg and 2 rpg game, but did not feature prominently in the game last night.

I think the bench, not including the players listed above, will see less minutes overall against Illinois Wesleyan, unless the Bears struggles with foul trouble.

At least, the Titans have finals this week, rather than have an entire week off to prepare for the game which has been the case before.

Incidentally, the Massey Ratings have the Bears as one-point favorites.  But, OK, too early to talk Illinois Wesleyan.  Washington University has a game on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 10, 2014, 01:15:44 PM
Congrats to Brandeis on their win over #2 Amherst.

http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2014-15/contrib/20141209plls3x
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 10, 2014, 11:34:54 PM
Wash-U wins tonight at Webster, 80-70 over a determined Gorloks team that made the Bears work extremely hard to post another 50% shooting performance from the floor.

Watched the 1st half in person then monitored live stats in the 2nd half.  Webster's personnel has great hops and good closing foot speed...that made its 2-3 zone very dangerous and hard to dissect.  Wash-U did a great job of moving the ball around the perimeter, side-to-side, and into the paint for good shots--but it was extremely hard work and took a lot of patience to get the best shot on each possession.  Some of the bullet passes the Bears had to throw were close to breaking fingers, it seemed.  But that was needed to find seams in that well-played zone.

Wash-U led 25-10 at one point in the first half, but Hunter Ward cut it to 2 on a 3-pointer with about 3 minutes left in the half.  Unfortunately, Webster turned the ball over deep in the shot clock on its subsequent possession, and Wash-U went on an 8-2 run to lead 35-27 at halftime.  The Bears were able to extend the lead to 17 in the 2nd half, and was able to hold back Webster 80-70.

Wash-U shot 50.8% from the floor and 6 of 18 from 3-point range...Webster was 43% overall and 6 of 18 from the arc.  Wash-U had a 42-32 edge in rebounding, which may have been the most important edge since it kept the Gorloks from getting extra chances to cut into the Bears' lead.  Wash-U was led by Matt Palucki's 21 points/10 rebounds, Nick Burt had 17 points/6 rebounds/8 assists, and David Fatoki had 9 points/9 assists/5 rebounds.  Webster was led by Ahmad Smith's 33 points, CJ Moore's 14 points, and Hunter Ward added 9 points/8 rebounds.

All in all, Wash-U played well in front of a vocal crowd that was intent on getting inside the Bears' ears and minds.  Now, onto another big game with the IWU Titans Saturday night...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 11, 2014, 03:43:37 PM
In advance of the Illinois Wesleyan-Washington University match-up this weekend, a cursory glance at the series. The first meeting between the two teams was during the 1933-1934 season, but they have since played 34 times and Illinois Wesleyan leads 20-15.  They have played every season since Y2K with the following results:

2000-2001 IWU 94-86
2001-2002 WUSTL 81-58
2002-2003 WUSTL 88-75, IWU 85-73 (NCAA)
2003-2004 WUSTL 65-61
2004-2005 IWU 90-70
2005-2006 IWU 83-56
2006-2007 WUSTL 75-63
2007-2008 WUSTL 69-66
2008-2009 WUSTL 93-86
2009-2010 WUSTL 76-71, IWU 75-70 (NCAA)
2010-2011 WUSTL 83-75
2011-2012 IWU 71-56
2012-2013 WUSTL 67-57, IWU 71-67 (NCAA)
2013-2014 IWU 98-73
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on December 12, 2014, 11:14:42 AM
http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2014-15/tell-it-to-the-judges-brandeis#.VIsIOrObZdM.facebook

Nice piece on Brandeis, post-Amherst win, be interesting to see how the kids develop as they enter league play
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 12, 2014, 11:24:03 AM
Quote from: howardjp on December 12, 2014, 11:14:42 AM
http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2014-15/tell-it-to-the-judges-brandeis#.VIsIOrObZdM.facebook

Nice piece on Brandeis, post-Amherst win, be interesting to see how the kids develop as they enter league play

Have you been following Brandeis closely again this season?  What is your take?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 16, 2014, 10:22:54 AM
I was excited to wake up to a story on KSDK NewsChannel 5 that Washington University had moved to No. 1 in the D3Hoops.com poll, but did they have to use footage from the 83-75 loss to Calvin in the NCAA tournament?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 16, 2014, 10:54:52 AM
The UAA is 46-19 after the first month or so of non-conference play with 1-3 games left for each squad before league play begins.

In 2013, I had suggested that the UAA had suggested that in my time following the conference, I did not remember seeing the top 4 teams rank so low and the bottom 4 teams rank so high.  The final rankings were closer to the norm, but it was definitely interesting to see this early in the season.

The 2014 Massey Ratings have the top 6 teams in the top 100 rankings which is great to see.

December 2013
No. 20 Washington U. 6-2
No. 36 Emory 6-3   
No. 64 Carnegie Mellon 5-1
No. 76 New York University 6-1
No. 88 Brandeis 6-3
No. 109 Chicago 5-4
No. 127 Case Western Reserve 5-1
No. 144 Rochester 5-5

December 2014
No. 1 Washington University 10-0
No. 20 Emory 7-1   
No. 40 Chicago 6-3
No. 41 Carnegie Mellon 7-0
No. 69 Case Western Reserve 6-1
No. 100 New York University 4-2
No. 140 Brandeis 3-5
No. 172 Rochester 4-6
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 16, 2014, 12:07:12 PM
It is always interesting to read through the archives. 

Last year, after Washington University dropped a close one to Carthage and a not-so close one to Illinois Wesleyan, there were posts all over D3boards.com suggesting that the Bears were overrated with only four guys worth mentioning.  What a difference a year makes.

I know not everyone agrees, but depth remains a concern in 2014-2015, though as I had previously said, it remains to be seen how much of a concern it will be.  In the game against Illinois Wesleyan, the Bears featured two starters, Matt Palucki and Nick Burt, from 2013-2014 along with two 2013-2014 reserves in David Fatoki and Brandon Staffeil.  Three others who did not play last season saw significant meetings including freshman Matt Highsmith, sophomore Michael Bregman, and junior Mitch Styczynski.

By the way, congratulations to Fatoki on his unreal, career-defining game against the Titans.  Congratulations to Styczynski who also had a career game.  Styczynski and Bregman played remarkably well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on December 16, 2014, 02:45:36 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 16, 2014, 12:07:12 PM
It is always interesting to read through the archives. 

Last year, after Washington University dropped a close one to Carthage and a not-so close one to Illinois Wesleyan, there were posts all over D3boards.com suggesting that the Bears were overrated with only four guys worth mentioning.  What a difference a year makes.

I know not everyone agrees, but depth remains a concern in 2014-2015, though as I had previously said, it remains to be seen how much of a concern it will be.  In the game against Illinois Wesleyan, the Bears featured two starters, Matt Palucki and Nick Burt, from 2013-2014 along with two 2013-2014 reserves in David Fatoki and Brandon Staffeil.  Three others who did not play last season saw significant meetings including freshman Matt Highsmith, sophomore Michael Bregman, and junior Mitch Styczynski.
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By the way, congratulations to Fatoki on his unreal, career-defining game against the Titans.  Congratulations to Styczynski who also had a career game.  Styczynski and Bregman played remarkably well.
i think the depth problem could resolve itself as the underclass men get minutes.  Palucki is a handful of matchup problems for most teams.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 16, 2014, 04:30:39 PM
Quote from: iwumichigander on December 16, 2014, 02:45:36 PMI think the depth problem could resolve itself as the underclass men get minutes.  Palucki is a handful of matchup problems for most teams.

I agree and I am definitely not complaining.  This has been an incredibly fun season so far and it is just getting started.

No one has had an answer for Matt Palucki yet.  He has definitely stepped up his game so far, going from 14 points per game to 18 points per game and 7 rebounds per game to 9 rebounds per game.  I forgot to mention that he eclipsed the 1,000 points mark for his career on Saturday becoming the 23rd player at Washington University to do so. 

Also, a few numbers on how he compares nationally:

8th in double doubles
27th in total points and 95th in field goals made
48th in three point field goal percentage and 76 in three point field goal attempts
23rd in total rebounds and 72nd in rebounds per game
63th in free throw percentage and 60th in free throws attempted
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on December 18, 2014, 12:37:34 PM
Lord have mercy on my Spartans, who are going to play a Division I opponent this weekend.

:-[
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 19, 2014, 09:57:22 AM
Emory had a respectable showing against the College of Charleston.  Hopefully, Case Western Reserve can say the same about tonight.  At least the video stream is free: http://www.campusinsiders.com/network/patriot_league/live/mens-basketball-case-western-reserve-at-bucknell
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 19, 2014, 12:35:35 PM
The remainder of CWRU's OOC schedule has been pretty blah. 

Should help prepare the Spartans for WUStL and Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 19, 2014, 07:46:10 PM
Spartans down only 2 38-36 at the half.  Spartans were down 9, but battled back and had a 2 point lead for a time 5-4 mins left in the half.

Spartans have only 3 turnovers.  Shooting 7-12 on 3s

I give the Bucknell play-by-play guy props for doing his homework on the CWRU team, but he has to be the most obnoxious play-by-play caller I have head in a long time.

Spartans stayed within 10 till about 9 minutes left, then the game got away.

Final 88-65
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 20, 2014, 04:16:10 PM
Mitch!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 20, 2014, 06:04:31 PM
Stick is gaining lots of confidence from his recent success.  Today he was especially needed to stabilize the interior when Nick Burt fouled out with around 5 minutes left.  If Mitch playing with such confidence, I would have been quite concerned down the stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 20, 2014, 11:50:46 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on December 20, 2014, 06:04:31 PM
Stick is gaining lots of confidence from his recent success.  Today he was especially needed to stabilize the interior when Nick Burt fouled out with around 5 minutes left.  If Mitch playing with such confidence, I would have been quite concerned down the stretch.

In my time following Washington University, few juniors have moved from the obscurity of the bench to the starting lineup. The only other player that comes to mind is Spencer Gay.  The Mitch Styczynski story is a very cool one.  Mitch averaged approximately 20 minutes per game, 7 points, and 4 rebounds through the first four games, before dropping back a bit through the second four games.  But, the Washington University-Webster game was a turning point and he has played like a starter every since.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 21, 2014, 09:53:43 AM
Quote from: WUH on December 20, 2014, 11:50:46 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on December 20, 2014, 06:04:31 PM
Stick is gaining lots of confidence from his recent success.  Today he was especially needed to stabilize the interior when Nick Burt fouled out with around 5 minutes left.  If Mitch playing with such confidence, I would have been quite concerned down the stretch.

In my time following Washington University, few juniors have moved from the obscurity of the bench to the starting lineup. The only other player that comes to mind is Spencer Gay.  The Mitch Styczynski story is a very cool one.  Mitch averaged approximately 20 minutes per game, 7 points, and 4 rebounds through the first four games, before dropping back a bit through the second four games.  But, the Washington University-Webster game was a turning point and he has played like a starter every since.

Hmm. I don't remember him from the Webster game, but I do remember him from the IWU game. Maybe I wasn't paying attention at Webster.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 21, 2014, 12:39:47 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on December 21, 2014, 09:53:43 AM
Hmm. I don't remember him from the Webster game, but I do remember him from the IWU game. Maybe I wasn't paying attention at Webster.

Styczynski played his early season average of 20 minutes against Webster after playing 5-10 for the previous four games. 8 points and 6 rebounds along with a very solid defensive performance but, Styczynski made himself known last Saturday against the Titans.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 26, 2014, 01:30:22 PM
Holiday reading from the St. Louis Post Dispatch: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/joe-strauss/strauss-washington-u-basketball-succeeds-on-its-own-terms/article_208e76e5-f1cc-5d2e-b40a-321ed2fd0782.html

I was very surprised to see Joe Strauss write a column on Washington University, but I will take it.  Notice the photo pulled from deep in the Post Dispatch archives.

I was also surprised to learn that Missouri has five Division III basketball squads including "University City neighbor Fontbonne, Webster, Westminster and Baptist Bible."  Missouri has a lot of Baptist institutions, but as far as I know, only Southwest Baptist competes in the NCAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 26, 2014, 01:59:15 PM
Yeah. The Baptist Bible that plays in Division III is the one in Pennsylvania.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 26, 2014, 02:58:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 26, 2014, 01:59:15 PM
Yeah. The Baptist Bible that plays in Division III is the one in Pennsylvania.

Thanks Pat!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 27, 2014, 06:31:05 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 26, 2014, 01:30:22 PM
Holiday reading from the St. Louis Post Dispatch: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/joe-strauss/strauss-washington-u-basketball-succeeds-on-its-own-terms/article_208e76e5-f1cc-5d2e-b40a-321ed2fd0782.html

I was very surprised to see Joe Strauss write a column on Washington University, but I will take it.  Notice the photo pulled from deep in the Post Dispatch archives.

I was also surprised to learn that Missouri has five Division III basketball squads including "University City neighbor Fontbonne, Webster, Westminster and Baptist Bible."  Missouri has a lot of Baptist institutions, but as far as I know, only Southwest Baptist competes in the NCAA.

Very nice article. Thanks for posting it. I wonder if Strauss was thinking of Missouri Baptist as a D3 program.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2014, 10:29:17 AM
Emory has a few big games left to play before conference play begins. 

Today, the Eagles kickoff their Holiday Tournament with a game against an ORV Bates team that is 7-0 and No. 14 in Massey.  Emory will take on the winner of Union-Birmingham Southern tomorrow afternoon.  Union has the distinction of going 2-0 against UAA teams this season with wins over NYU and Rochester.

On Saturday, Emory hosts No. 8 Virginia Wesleyan that is 8-1 on the season.

Video and Live Stats
http://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2014, 04:56:27 PM
Emory leads Bates at the half, 34-29.  Emory shot a staggeringly low 2-14 from three point range.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2014, 05:24:43 PM
Emory now 8-22 from three point range as the Eagles lead 59-47 with 12 minutes left.  Definitely a game worth watching if you can.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2014, 06:10:11 PM
Final from Atlanta: Emory over Bates, 84-65.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2014, 06:17:17 PM
Incidentally, Emory will play Washington University on the first Friday of UAA play in St. Louis.  Looking forward to see how Coach Edwards plans for Alex Foster.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 30, 2014, 04:05:57 PM
Emory and Union tip-off in a matter of minutes.

Video and Live Stats
http://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 30, 2014, 05:01:59 PM
Emory leads Union, 34-32 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 30, 2014, 05:32:33 PM
Emory is pulling away from Union.  71-53 with about 6 minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 30, 2014, 05:57:01 PM
CWRU beats Trine (6-3, with a win over OWU) 80-73.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 31, 2014, 10:11:47 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on December 30, 2014, 05:57:01 PM
CWRU beats Trine (6-3, with a win over OWU) 80-73.

Congratulations to CWRU who has matched their best season starts in program history.  I have only seen a few minutes of David Black, but I cannot wait until the Spartans come to St. Louis.

It will be very interesting to see how both CWRU and Carnegie Mellon do in conference play.  The Spartans will have to play arguably their four toughest games--Carnegie, Emory, Washington University, and Chicago--on the road in the first half of the season before the schedule flips.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 03, 2015, 01:22:33 PM
Emory is getting ready to host No. 8 Virginia Wesleyan in what will be their last game before conference play begins.

Video and Live Stats
http://emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 03, 2015, 03:34:35 PM
Foster and company just about ready to finish off Virginia Wesleyan.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 03, 2015, 03:38:45 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 03, 2015, 03:34:35 PM
Foster and company just about ready to finish off Virginia Wesleyan.

The game wasn't as close as the final score. If VWC's Khory Moore hadn't had a huge second half it could have been really ugly.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on January 06, 2015, 10:16:39 PM
With a win tomorrow, we'll secure our best start ever.

I hope that if we do win, that we can continue this kind of success in conference play.  UAA competition has always been a KILLER for CWRU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 08, 2015, 01:42:01 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on January 06, 2015, 10:16:39 PM
With a win tomorrow, we'll secure our best start ever.

I hope that if we do win, that we can continue this kind of success in conference play.  UAA competition has always been a KILLER for CWRU.

Only BW of the d3 opponents could crack the top half of the UAA, and that just barely.  That was the only quality win the Spartans had and they had a bad loss to Denison.  IMO, they need to schedule tougher OOC opponents to get ready for the UAA.  JCU and Mt Union come to mind.

Interestingly the Spartans have frequently subbed five for five with a whole bench five replacing the starters.  Last night the bench outscored the starters 41-35, although the Black twins are fourth and fifth on the team in Min/g.  David did start five games, but Edel was back in the starting lineup for the last four games (I believe he was injured as he didn't play in the first four of the games David started). 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 08, 2015, 05:35:12 PM
KSDK did a nice feature of Coach Edwards: http://www.ksdk.com/videos/sports/2015/01/07/21425369/

Frank Cusumano mentioned that Coach Edwards holds the WUSTL career record for fouls, but I believe that was surpassed by Tyler Nading.  If only the record book included that statistic.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 09, 2015, 09:36:41 PM
It would be amusing if online or media guide record books contained negative stats such as most fouls, most turnovers, lowest shooting percentage, etc., but I don't think that it would please basketball alumni very much. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ronk on January 09, 2015, 11:38:05 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 09, 2015, 09:36:41 PM
It would be amusing if online or media guide record books contained negative stats such as most fouls, most turnovers, lowest shooting percentage, etc., but I don't think that it would please basketball alumni very much. ;)

I submitted the occurrence of a quad-double to "Around the Nation" last year but it went unmentioned, probably because one of the doubles was turnovers. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 09, 2015, 11:47:04 PM
Well, in fairness, we didn't have an Around the Nation columnist last year, so it might have otherwise found an interested ear. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on January 10, 2015, 12:06:09 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 09, 2015, 09:36:41 PM
It would be amusing if online or media guide record books contained negative stats such as most fouls, most turnovers, lowest shooting percentage, etc., but I don't think that it would please basketball alumni very much. ;)

Greg, do you have the nerve (as I'm sure there would be objections) to starting a room dedicated to various'poor' performances... by teams or individuals....  just a place to go and feel sorry for someone.... for instance a player for Prin two years ago had 10 turnovers in 14 minutes against Spalding.. Prin had 29 turnovers in that game....poor shooting from the field the FT line and turnovers, maybe even team fouls could be areas of consideration... ::) ::)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ronk on January 10, 2015, 01:08:48 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 09, 2015, 11:47:04 PM
Well, in fairness, we didn't have an Around the Nation columnist last year, so it might have otherwise found an interested ear. :)

  Well, upon further reflection, it was "Around the Mid-Atlantic/Atlantic" and he was soliciting prospective material; I think you've since assigned him to "Around the Nation".
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 10, 2015, 02:02:49 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 10, 2015, 12:06:09 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 09, 2015, 09:36:41 PM
It would be amusing if online or media guide record books contained negative stats such as most fouls, most turnovers, lowest shooting percentage, etc., but I don't think that it would please basketball alumni very much. ;)

Greg, do you have the nerve (as I'm sure there would be objections) to starting a room dedicated to various'poor' performances... by teams or individuals....  just a place to go and feel sorry for someone.... for instance a player for Prin two years ago had 10 turnovers in 14 minutes against Spalding.. Prin had 29 turnovers in that game....poor shooting from the field the FT line and turnovers, maybe even team fouls could be areas of consideration... ::) ::)

I wouldn't do something like that, not because of a lack of nerve but because of a lack of inclination. I was kidding about the mythical negative stats section of school record books being amusing, because I know that college programs would never foster that sort of self-directed negativity.

As a broadcaster I'll criticize poor play because it's my job, and as a d3boards.com poster I'll criticize poor play because it's honest. But devoting a room specifically to enshrine poor play seems gratuitously cruel, especially where individual players are concerned, and especially at a level where student-athletes play only for the love of the game rather than as a means to merit a scholarship or to prepare for a future career as a pro player somewhere. Losing's bad enough punishment for playing poorly. Why add to it with something that, whatever the original intent, could be construed as permanently rubbing it in?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 10, 2015, 03:45:16 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 09, 2015, 09:36:41 PM
It would be amusing if online or media guide record books contained negative stats such as most fouls, most turnovers, lowest shooting percentage, etc., but I don't think that it would please basketball alumni very much. ;)

Fouls are generally considered a negative statistic, but in the case of Tyler Nading, and taken in the context of his career, the career record in fouls is as close to a positive as you can get.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 10, 2015, 03:46:37 PM
Washington University vs. Chicago is about to tip in Hyde Park.

Video
https://www.youtube.com/user/maroontelevision/videos?flow=list&view=2
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 10, 2015, 04:37:18 PM
Washington University is struggling in Hyde Park as the Maroons lead 33-17.  The Bears are shooting 23 percent from the floor and 0.0 percent from three point range.  Palucki and Fatoki with two points a piece.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 10, 2015, 04:50:55 PM
Historical note: the last time Washington University lost to Chicago in Hyde Park, the Bears trailed by a mere 5 points at the half before falling 68-60.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 10, 2015, 05:01:01 PM
Brandeis wins a tough one at home vs NYU, 57-54.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 10, 2015, 05:06:37 PM
Chicago still leads by 16 with 11 minutes left with the Maroons out hustling the Bears in every regard.  The Bears are still shooting 0.0 percent from three point range (0-14).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 10, 2015, 05:24:34 PM
Chicago just about ready to knock off Washington University as they lead 61-36. The Maroons played a good game...nothing positive for the Bears.  Palucki and Fatoki finish with four points each.  Only Styczynski finishes in double figures.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 10, 2015, 07:13:00 PM
Emory and Case Western Reserve both score road wins today, with the most convincing win of the day coming from the Spartans as they blasted Carnegie Mellon 80-46.  Emory over Rochester 84-69
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 10, 2015, 08:15:42 PM
Eric Black lead CWRU from the bench with 15 pts and 10 boards.  The bench was cleared with just over five minutes left. Fifteen Spartans played and thirteen scored.  52 points from the bench.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on January 11, 2015, 02:23:46 PM
Gee.

Maybe we're better than I thought.

CMU was 9-2 going into this game, and we just BLASTED them on their home court.

Maybe the Spartans are this year's "sleeper" team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 11, 2015, 03:12:14 PM
I believe they are a sleeper team and will be a factor in this season's UAA race.

The Spartans appear to be a deep team that gets consistent production off the bench.  The Black twins are a very intriguing addition to the mix.  And, if you can win big in a conference game with Dane McLoughlin providing minimal scoring--as was the case vs. Carnegie Mellon--then you have a dangerous team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 12, 2015, 05:57:09 PM
Emory moves to No. 5 in the latest D3hoops.com poll while Washington University drops to No. 6 after the debacle on Saturday.  Chicago enters the poll at No. 23.

Massey sees the league a little differently with the current rankings:

No. 8 Washington University
No. 10 Emory
No. 32 Chicago
No. 36 Case Western Reserve
No. 78 New York
No. 119 Brandeis
No. 151 Carnegie Mellon
No. 190 Rochester

Emory hits the road this weekend to play at Washington University on Friday and at Chicago on Sunday.  I think for the Chicago and Washington University fans, these are as close to must-wins as we have seen in the early season in some time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2015, 05:58:53 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 12, 2015, 05:57:09 PM
Emory moves to No. 5 in the latest D3hoops.com poll while Washington University drops to No. 6 after the debacle on Saturday.  Chicago enters the poll at No. 23.

Massey sees the league a little differently with the current rankings:

That's actually barely different.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 12, 2015, 06:29:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2015, 05:58:53 PM
That's actually barely different.

I said a little differently.  If you look at the common use of the word little, it could be used to convey condescension, but not always.  Little...slightly...barely...they all explain the difference adequately in my mind.

It is your website and you can do what you want, but I am sure I speak for many when I say your nitpicks, found frequently around the boards, are unnecessary.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 12, 2015, 07:14:03 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 12, 2015, 05:57:09 PM
Emory moves to No. 5 in the latest D3hoops.com poll while Washington University drops to No. 6 after the debacle on Saturday.  Chicago enters the poll at No. 23.


CWRU got maybe its first vote ever.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2015, 11:22:29 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on January 12, 2015, 07:14:03 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 12, 2015, 05:57:09 PM
Emory moves to No. 5 in the latest D3hoops.com poll while Washington University drops to No. 6 after the debacle on Saturday.  Chicago enters the poll at No. 23.


CWRU got maybe its first vote ever.

This is not true. I don't know if this is the full list but here are a few polls in which Case received a vote -- and it's not all ancient history, either.

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2010-11/preseason
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2007-08/week4
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2007-08/week3
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 13, 2015, 12:30:44 AM
Well i didn't say it was true, but thanks for the info.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2015, 12:51:48 AM
Quote from: WUH on January 12, 2015, 06:29:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2015, 05:58:53 PM
That's actually barely different.

I said a little differently.  If you look at the common use of the word little, it could be used to convey condescension, but not always.  Little...slightly...barely...they all explain the difference adequately in my mind.

It is your website and you can do what you want, but I am sure I speak for many when I say your nitpicks, found frequently around the boards, are unnecessary.

Ouch. I was just pointing out that it lines up pretty well with Massey there. Wasn't a personal attack on you but yet you responded with one ... why?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2015, 11:06:06 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2015, 12:51:48 AM
Ouch. I was just pointing out that it lines up pretty well with Massey there. Wasn't a personal attack on you but yet you responded with one ... why?

Your post could have easily been read as a contrarian opinion.  That is how I read it.  I'll take you for your word that you were just pointing out that there was little difference between the polls.  I hope you accept my apology.

As to the rest of what I said, I probably read a fraction of your posts.  Let me try it again: you are one of the more influential posters here.  I wish you used your status to foster more discussion.  I think you could do a lot more of that around the boards in what you say.  For example, you might have drawn in a few CCIW posters or possibly a long lost Maroons fan by asking about the discrepancy between the voters and Massey regarding Chicago.

I get bitter from bowling alone over here in the UAA thread.  Just ignore what I said.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2015, 11:09:07 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on January 12, 2015, 07:14:03 PM
CWRU got maybe its first vote ever.

Case Western Reserve is definitely the UAA story of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2015, 11:52:08 AM
Quote from: WUH on January 13, 2015, 11:06:06 AMFor example, you might have drawn in a few CCIW posters or possibly a long lost Maroons fan by asking about the discrepancy between the voters and Massey regarding Chicago.

It's quite interesting how things change in a week. Last week, someone was giving a voter a hard time for considering a win vs. Chicago as a quality win. The poll is definitely about games that have been played (and that's all Massey looks at, of course), but it's also about voters' expectations. And if a voter still has an expectation that a team is better than the sum of its results, they can and should vote for them, or vote for teams that have beaten them ... within reason.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2015, 12:19:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2015, 11:52:08 AM
It's quite interesting how things change in a week. Last week, someone was giving a voter a hard time for considering a win vs. Chicago as a quality win. The poll is definitely about games that have been played (and that's all Massey looks at, of course), but it's also about voters' expectations. And if a voter still has an expectation that a team is better than the sum of its results, they can and should vote for them, or vote for teams that have beaten them ... within reason.

I like it when you go in-depth.

I do stand by my assertion that Chicago had nothing resembling a quality win and therefore could not be considered a quality win.  I had previously said that Washington University was vulnerable, lacking the depth of previous teams.

The Bears played the worst game that I have seen in the 10 years I have followed them.  I'll credit Chicago for playing a good game, and if they run with Emory, then I'll take back what I said.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2015, 01:33:44 PM
Yeah, sorry -- it's a matter of time with me. I have a day job and three kids, so the time I spend on the websites is primarily focused on getting content out rather than making longer posts. :(
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue_jays on January 14, 2015, 09:47:46 AM
Quote from: WUH on January 13, 2015, 12:19:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2015, 11:52:08 AM
It's quite interesting how things change in a week. Last week, someone was giving a voter a hard time for considering a win vs. Chicago as a quality win. The poll is definitely about games that have been played (and that's all Massey looks at, of course), but it's also about voters' expectations. And if a voter still has an expectation that a team is better than the sum of its results, they can and should vote for them, or vote for teams that have beaten them ... within reason.

I like it when you go in-depth.

I do stand by my assertion that Chicago had nothing resembling a quality win and therefore could not be considered a quality win.  I had previously said that Washington University was vulnerable, lacking the depth of previous teams.

The Bears played the worst game that I have seen in the 10 years I have followed them.  I'll credit Chicago for playing a good game, and if they run with Emory, then I'll take back what I said.

The reason the Bears played a bad game was mostly because of Chicago, so they should be getting credit regardless of what happens versus Emory. The Maroons have the big bodies and athleticism to cancel out any rebounding advantage WashU usually has, and Barthel beasted them on the boards. All of Fatocki's shots were contested closely, which forced him into quick jumpers and faders. Palucki couldn't get a rhythm and Chicago went after them with purpose. You don't hold a top team to 43 points unless you're getting it done defensively.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 14, 2015, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on January 14, 2015, 09:47:46 AM
The reason the Bears played a bad game was mostly because of Chicago, so they should be getting credit regardless of what happens versus Emory. The Maroons have the big bodies and athleticism to cancel out any rebounding advantage WashU usually has, and Barthel beasted them on the boards. All of Fatocki's shots were contested closely, which forced him into quick jumpers and faders. Palucki couldn't get a rhythm and Chicago went after them with purpose. You don't hold a top team to 43 points unless you're getting it done defensively.

A few things...

How many times have you seen Washington University play this season?

Have you checked the rebounding stats this year or you basing the +9 rebounds for Chicago on the teams Washington University from prior seasons?  Hint: Chicago is pulling down more defensive and offensive rebounds this season, while the Bears rank near the bottom of the conference in the latter category.  Chicago would have finished +4-5 had the averages held.

Is the defense forcing Fatoki, the fifth best player in the nation in terms of assists, to bring the ball down and jack up 18 foot fadeaways 10 seconds in to the shot clock?

As far as Palucki is concerned, sure it is always easier to watch two good teams and say "the defense held them to..." (see my first question).

I said Chicago played a good game.  Chicago scored their first quality win, but despite the personnel, coach, and performance last weekend, I want to see them run with Emory before I get excited because the Maroons beat a better Washington University two years ago before going 4-9 in the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 14, 2015, 09:13:11 PM
I think that "Blue Jays" is on to something that I have mulled over after the Wash-U loss in Chicago; and I also agree with WUH.

I agree that the Maroons should be credited for having the intent and swagger to take a physical brand of basketball to the Bears that they may have expected, but didn't execute very well against it.  Barthel, Waller Perez, Nate Brooks, and Blaine Crawford were very tough to deal with--especially when the officials let the players play with minimal intervention.  There were only 13 fouls called on both teams in the first half, 4 on Chicago (by the way, this is not a criticism of the crew...just an observation of their style of officiating).  This, along with falling behind quickly by 6-0 and 17-10 scores, perhaps prompted Wash-U to take shots too quickly in its possessions without rebounding help, in order to try and close the gap.

The 20-day layoff has been discussed, and it may have lended a hand in the 30% overall shooting performance, and 2-for-19 shooting beyond the arc.  Some of the shots were attempted with a slight erosion of the good form that the top Wash-U shooters regularly possess.  But, if the Bears had shot the ball better, we wouldn't be talking about the lengthy time off from playing games.

It was just a bad day at the Ratner Center to roll out a clunker.  What is important now is how the Bears react in the first full weekend of UAA play, hosting Emory Friday night and Rochester Sunday afternoon.  I suspect they will take an even-keeled approach throughout the remaining preparation time, and enter the Fieldhouse with confidence.  They will need it, for Emory has seemingly recovered from its upset loss at Piedmont earlier this season and is playing some very good basketball.

Should be a lot of fun Friday night!

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 16, 2015, 12:41:41 PM
I am really looking forward to Emory vs. Washington University tonight at the Field House.  This will be the biggest test for the Bears so far, but I too believe that they will be ready.

I have been critical of the Bears three-point defense in past seasons, and tonight we will get to see what they can do against the eighth best three point shooting team in the nation with Alex Foster and Will Trawick both shooting over 40 percent from the line. 

Alex Foster was key to the win over UW-Stevens Point last season, but who knew that he would take over where Jake Davis left off?  Foster is having a brilliant senior season so far.  It will be interesting to see what the Bears throw at him tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 16, 2015, 09:48:05 PM
Washington University leads Emory 38-22 at the half.  The live stats say 38 rebounds for the Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: 7express on January 16, 2015, 10:31:05 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 16, 2015, 09:48:05 PM
Washington University leads Emory 38-22 at the half.  The live stats say 38 rebounds for the Bears.

38 rebounds in the first half??  Western Connecticut struggles to get 38 in a game!  Must be a mistake, if not it's a combination of: A) incredibly bad Emory shooting which has lead to a lot of Bears defensive rebounds B) bad Wash U shooting, but the Bears are completely dominating the offense glass which runs up the total rebound numbers or likely C) A combination of both A & B.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2015, 12:39:59 AM
Washington University 80
Emory University 67

This is the offense that Bears fans all know and love. 

David Fatoki was the man tonight scoring 25 on 5-6 shooting from three point range to go along with nine assists.  Matt Palucki finished with a career high 17 rebounds and 15 points to register yet another double-double.  Nick Burt also finished with a double-double.  Mitch Styczynski continues to impress with 13 points and 7 rebounds.

The Bears did indeed finish the first half with 38 rebounds (56 for the game), but turnovers were a big problem tonight as the Bears matched their season high of 22 turnovers.

At one point, it looked like Will Trawick, who was quiet offensively in the first half, was going to shoot Emory back in to the game midway through the second, drawing the Eagles within 11 points.  But the Bears maintained their composure and handled the Emory press.

One final note: this game featured the worst officiating of the season by far.  I am know I am a traditionalist in a game that has mostly moved on, but this crew was the absolute worst.  At one point, Styczynski was leveled while trying to inbound the ball and nothing. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2015, 12:51:33 AM
Elsewhere in the UAA, Chicago, Carnegie-Mellon and Case Western Reserve all held serve at home as expected.  Lowly Rochester (4-9) scored 81 against Chicago in the 88-81 loss; the highest number of points allowed on the season so far.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 17, 2015, 02:54:10 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 17, 2015, 12:51:33 AM
Elsewhere in the UAA, Chicago, Carnegie-Mellon and Case Western Reserve all held serve at home as expected.  Lowly Rochester (4-9) scored 81 against Chicago in the 88-81 loss; the highest number of points allowed on the season so far.

It wasn't much of a game for either defense, although it was certainly entertaining to watch. The Maroons really should've pulled away and won the game by a much larger margin, but their FT shooting was horrible down the stretch. They finished 16-32 from the line.

I was really impressed by Rochester's Sam Borst-Smith (30 pts), who is sort of a baby-faced assassin. A very skinny 6'2 sophomore, he looks like he should be out in some leafy suburb tossing newspapers onto front porches from his bike rather than tossing layups and jumpers over tall and burly UAA defenders. But he's got some serious offensive skills.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 18, 2015, 02:35:26 PM
Incredible win for the Spartans 83-81 over Brandeis in OT.

CWRU didn't have a lead until 0:24 left in OT.  Game was only tied twice in regulation, at 46 and at 72 when Julien Person sank two FTs with 0:21 left in regulation.

Person was clutch, scoring 15 of his 17 points from 2:07 in regulation, including 6-6 FTs, making two to put the Spartans ahead for the first time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 18, 2015, 03:25:57 PM
Washington University 90
University of Rochester 85

David Fatoki finished with 23 points (9-13, 2-2), 7 rebounds and 7 assists while Matt Palucki finished with 28 points.  Mitch Styczynski scored in double figures yet again with 10 points while Michael Bregman scored 12 points in a very strong 22 minutes off the bench.  His free throws at the end were critical in holding off Rochester.

The Yellowjackets stayed in the game three points at a time, going 12-26 from three point range.  Sam "The Paperboy" Borst-Smith was particularly impressive finishing with 24 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 18, 2015, 03:40:26 PM
And, while I did not get to see it, Chicago held off Emory, 80-74, to remain undefeated in conference play and tied for the top spot with Case Western Reserve (3-0).  Very, very, very impressive...I'll admit. 

The Chicago win was probably the best case scenario for Washington University (2-1), as Emory will be hard to beat at home.  Chicago will have to play Emory in an early Sunday morning game.

I am very surprised to see Emory (1-2) in a four way tie for third with Carnegie Mellon, New York, and Brandeis.  Emory was my pre-season pick to win the conference, though we still have a long way to go.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on January 19, 2015, 01:33:58 PM
Case has to play Emory on the road next.

Could be a VERY stiff test!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 19, 2015, 04:05:49 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on January 19, 2015, 01:33:58 PM
Case has to play Emory on the road next.

Could WILL be a VERY stiff test!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 19, 2015, 09:06:16 PM
Four UAA teams in top25

4  WUStL
12 Emory
21 Chicago
25 CWRU--first ever top 25 ranking
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on January 19, 2015, 10:52:10 PM
It's nice to see us in the Top 25 for the first time ever, HOWEVER, I think that we may have been put there too hastily.

Let's see how we do against Emory.  That should be the true test.  If we either defeat or come close to defeating them on the road, then I can definitely see ranking us in the Top 25.  But if we go there and flop, then it'll appear to indicate that we are currently "overrated."
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 19, 2015, 10:52:59 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on January 19, 2015, 10:52:10 PM
It's nice to see us in the Top 25 for the first time ever, HOWEVER, I think that we may have been put there too hastily.

Let's see how we do against Emory.  That should be the true test.  If we either defeat or come close to defeating them on the road, then I can definitely see ranking us in the Top 25.  But if we go there and flop, then it'll appear to indicate that we are currently "overrated."

Not many points there for #25.  It may be a ranking by default.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 20, 2015, 12:30:36 AM
Regardless of how it happened or how long it lasts, it is great to see four UAA teams ranked in the Top 25 again.

Case Western Reserve has the toughest schedule in the first half of conference play, with Emory on the road next weekend and Washington University and Chicago on the road the following weekend before the schedule reverses.

The only road wins in the UAA so far have come at Carnegie Mellon and Rochester.  Case Western Reserve has one of those road wins, which gives them an advantage over Chicago should the Spartans come away with a road win against the other big three over the next two weeks.

Interestingly, Massey gives the Spartans a 27 percent chance for a win at Emory along with a 32 and 26 percent chance at Chicago and Washington University, but hey, it is conference play, so...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 20, 2015, 11:22:49 AM
Also, Case Western Reserve is bringing Nick Offerman to campus for a comedy show, so what a year for the Spartans.  Seriously!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2015, 11:41:24 AM
I ranked CWR this week at #25 knowing what was coming... and nervous about pulling the trigger.

Here is what I said in this week's blog: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/01/19/daves-top-25-ballot-week-7-3/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/01/19/daves-top-25-ballot-week-7-3/)
I'd be lying if I didn't tell you I think the Spartans are on my ballot just a little bit early. Call it the NYU affect: play really well in the non-conference part of your season while not playing too many good teams and start the season on a roll only to jump into conference play and fall apart. The difference so far in this plan: Case Western Reserve is 3-0 in UAA action. Now granted, the Spartans have played Carnegie Mellon, NYU, and Brandeis – not exactly the top of the conference – and needed overtime to beat the Judges, but I do like what I am seeing so far. Of course, Emory and Rochester this weekend before Chicago and Wash U the following weekend ALL on the road. This could either be a very brief visit on my ballot or could be confirmation of a really special team at CWR this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 20, 2015, 11:50:57 AM
+1 and thanks for sharing and for reminding everyone of your ballot blogs which are always interesting reads.

You mentioned Brandeis...that game on the road against the Judges has all the makings of a classic UAA trap game.  If the Spartans go 2-2 or 3-1 against Chicago and Washington University, they will have to get up early on a Sunday morning and beat the Judges before moving on to Atlanta with so much at stake the following weekend.  Brandeis could prove quite the hurdle...for everyone.

It sure seems like NYU and Brandeis are all ready to pull the upset.  Carnegie Mellon and Rochester too.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 20, 2015, 12:13:21 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 20, 2015, 12:30:36 AM


Interestingly, Massey gives the Spartans a 27 percent chance for a win at Emory along with a 32 and 26 percent chance at Chicago and Washington University, but hey, it is conference play, so...

Even more interesting, since Massey rates CWRU one spot above Emory and Chicago five spots above Emory, yet the Spartans have a better chance of beating Chicago?

CWRU's point total in the d3 Poll is just four shy of 25 #24 votes.

I can see Rochester as a trap as well.  Playing there Sunday noon after playing Emory Friday night.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 20, 2015, 12:34:37 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on January 20, 2015, 12:13:21 PM
I can see Rochester as a trap as well.  Playing there Sunday noon after playing Emory Friday night.

Absolutely! I try to avoid cliches, but the UAA conference is won on Sundays cliche may apply more to this season than ever before.

I do still think that Case Western Reserve is the conference story of the year so far.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 20, 2015, 04:14:42 PM
I agree.  Especially since Dane McLoughlin hasn't been a prolific scorer at times, due to his opponents' laser focus on stopping him.  The Spartans are certainly deep enough this season to pick up the slack for someone.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 21, 2015, 10:55:46 AM
To highlight CWRU's depth, they have ten players averaging 12 min/g or more.

Chicago, Emory, and Washington each have only eight averaging double figures minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 22, 2015, 02:04:57 PM
D3Hoops has a nice article today about Case Western Reserve: http://d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2014-15/case-western-reserve-on-radar
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 23, 2015, 10:44:28 AM
Washington University will begin its first Friday-Saturday road trip of the season tonight against NYU.  The Violets were picked to finish 2nd in the league but are 1-2 so far. 

NYU leads the league and much of the nation (No. 4 nationally) in rebounding margin and field-goal percentage (No. 23 nationally).  This is not all that surprising with juniors Evan Kupferberg (18 points, 10 rebounds per game) and Costis Gontikas (14 points, 7 rebounds per game) leading the way.  They rank much lower in certain statistics such as turnover margin and three point field goal attempts and percentage.

I have not seen NYU play this season, but they will mostly be familiar faces as the Violets returned almost everyone except, I believe, Ryan Tana.  I am looking forward to seeing junior college and Seton Hall transfer Hakim Harris in action.

NYU picked up another Division I transfer, but he does not seem to have featured much yet this season.

Video and Live Stats
http://www.nyuathletics.tv/broadcasts/index.cfm?fuseaction=usrbrd&broadcasterid=59125&mobi=0

I have seen Emory at home several times and they play extremely well at home.  The match against Case Western Reserve should be a very compelling game for anyone looking for a game to watch tonight: http://www.emoryathletics.com/information/webcasts
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 23, 2015, 04:22:44 PM
Will be watching a lot of UAA basketball tonight...titanic matchup on the women's side too between two undefeated teams...WashU and NYU!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 23, 2015, 08:32:38 PM
NYU is draining NBA threes and having their way inside while Washington University is ice cold.  The Violets lead by 18 with five minutes to go in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 23, 2015, 08:47:06 PM
NYU leads Washington University 54-29 at the half.

Hakim Harris is having a game with 17 points on 5-6 shooting from three point range.  Gontikas is 5-5 from the field with 14 points and the Bears have no answer.  NYU is living up to their billing with a 65 percent shooting performance and 8-12 from three point range.  Washington University is shooting 35 percent and is 0-10 from the three point range.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 23, 2015, 08:56:21 PM
I am not sure how reliable the source is, but Zags Blog discusses the Hakim Harris commitment to Seton Hall: http://zagsblog.com/seton-hall/hakeem-harris-to-seton-hall/

According to the blog, Harris initially committed to Brown University but received a medical redshirt.  He then played two years for two-year Connors State College in Oklahoma.  Before committing to Seton Hall, he was also considering UCLA, Washington State and Georgia Tech.

According to NYU, his brother played for the Violets: http://www.gonyuathletics.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=8137&path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 23, 2015, 09:36:27 PM
Emory over Case Western Reserve, 78-65.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 23, 2015, 09:40:58 PM
NYU over Washington University, 91-67.

The way NYU played tonight during the minutes I was able to watch, I honestly think they could have ran with any team I have seen this season.  Harris and Gontikas were monsters tonight.

The Bears actually won the battle of the boards, but NYU was on fire from the opening tip while Washington University was ice cold, especially from three point range (2-17).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 23, 2015, 09:51:50 PM
Brandeis pulls off the come from behind upset to take down Chicago, 59-58. 

Brandeis needed to clutch free throws to pull ahead by one with 6 seconds left.  Chicago had the final shot down one but Brandeis came up with a big time block and rebound to seal the win.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 23, 2015, 09:52:25 PM
Sweet Home Waltham!

Brandeis 59, Chicago 58

team comes from 10 points down in 2nd half to win, Colby Smith with 2 big free throws, followed by the block of a last minute layup to preserve the victory.

Well done Judges.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 23, 2015, 10:04:36 PM
The top three teams in the UAA all lost tonight, leaving Case Western Reserve and the University of Chicago tied for first.  Washington University moves in to a four way tie with Emory, New York and Brandeis, but are only one game back.

Case Western Reserve 3-1    
University of Chicago 3-1    
Washington University 2-2    
Emory University 2-2    
New York University 2-2
Brandeis University 2-2    
Carnegie Mellon 1-3    
University of Rochester 1-3    
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 23, 2015, 10:09:20 PM
Hakim Harris is indeed a game-changer for NYU.  Nice added touch to a team that went from good to very, very good with his presence.  Not enough opponents to account for Harris, Kupferberg, and Gontikas...at least, they can't sag on Gontikas and blanket Kupferberg without risking a big night from Harris.

A wild and woolly UAA awaits us, as we get closer to the midway point of conference play. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 23, 2015, 10:12:25 PM
I missed the part of the game in which Matt Palucki received two technicals and was ejected.  What happened?  My guess is that those are technical No. 1 and No. 2 for the senior. 

Palucki did pass Tyler Nading to move in to seventh place for career rebounding.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2015, 09:37:31 AM
He said the magic words once: tech. Said the magic word twice: tech. Said some more magic words: ejected. I believe all three refs were involved; at least two different refs assessed the techs.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 24, 2015, 12:26:46 PM
Well, that is [magic words] [magic words] [magic words] great.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 24, 2015, 12:34:00 PM
The last second block by Colby Smith that had Brandeis (and Case Western Reserve, New York and Emory) fans breathing a sigh of relief: http://youtu.be/Liic6JClR4w (http://youtu.be/Liic6JClR4w)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 25, 2015, 12:39:52 PM
No let down for the Spartans, 36-19 at the half. 

What's with UR charging for the stream?  Hopefully players' families have a link for a free stream.

It didn't get any prettier for the Jackets; final 65-37.

Looks like the Spartans are going to be all alone in first place, as NYU beats UChi 85-68,
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 25, 2015, 02:37:28 PM
Washington University capitalizes on a 19-0 run to take down Brandeis, 79-68. Luke Silverman-Lloyd had the career game we have all been expecting, scoring 20 including six three pointers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: howardjp on January 25, 2015, 03:08:05 PM
Good competitive effort by Brandeis playing with Powell and Vilmont out. 15 for Jack Fay off bench. Would have been nice to have a third top 25 win, but the women may pull off the upset instead.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 25, 2015, 07:43:53 PM
After three weeks, we finally have one team at the top of the standings.  Case Western Reserve was picked to finish 6th in the preseason poll after going 6-8 in the conference a season ago.

Chicago, Emory, NYU and Washington University are tied for second at 3-2 while Brandeis drops to third at 2-3.

Case Western Reserve 4-1
Washington University 3-2
Emory University 3-2    
New York University 3-2    
University of Chicago 3-2    
Brandeis University 2-3    
Carnegie Mellon 1-4    
Rochester University 1-4    
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 25, 2015, 08:02:11 PM
Incidentally, the preseason poll did seem to predict the parity we are seeing today.  In the voting, Chicago picked up three No. 1 votes while NYU and Emory received four and one.

As much balance as we have among the top 5-6 teams, it may be worth mentioning the road games we have left to see against the top 6:

Case Western Reserve: Washington University, Chicago, Brandeis, New York

Washington University: Case Western Reserve, Emory

Emory University: Brandeis, New York, Case Western Reserve

New York University: Emory, Washington University, Chicago

University of Chicago: Case Western Reserve, Emory, Washington University 

Brandeis University: Emory, Chicago, Washington University, New York

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2015, 10:42:57 PM
The latest Washington University Game Notes indicate that sophomore Michael Bregman is out for the season after suffering an injury at Brandeis.

This is a big loss as Bregman was the No. 1 guard option off the bench and had played well as of late.  Bregman had a big game against both Carthage and Illinois Wesleyan and a career game against Rochester scoring 12 (4-5) with four rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 28, 2015, 09:11:46 PM
He was having a very good game at Brandeis with 8 points in the first half before the injury.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 29, 2015, 02:37:23 PM
Here is a look at the UAA conference schedule for the next two weekends as we reach the halfway point.

I have never posted two weekends worth of games before, but in the 10 years that I have followed the league, I just do not remember reaching the halfway point and seeing two full weekends in which every game has conference title implications. 

This could change over the weekend, but with Brandeis, Chicago, NYU and Washington University hosting, there is a strong possibility that we will still have 5-6 teams in play moving in to next weekend.

January 30    
Emory vs. Brandeis
Rochester vs. New York University    
Case Western Reserve vs. Chicago       
Carnegie Mellon vs. Washington University

February 1
Emory vs. New York University       
Rochester vs. Brandeis          
Carnegie Mellon vs. Chicago       
Case Western Reserve vs. Washington University       
      
February 6    
Chicago vs. Case Western Reserve    
Brandeis vs. Emory             
Washington University vs. Carnegie Mellon
New York University vs. Rochester          
      
February 8    
New York University vs. Emory             
Washington University vs. Case Western Reserve
Chicago vs. Carnegie Mellon
Brandeis vs. Rochester    
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on January 29, 2015, 09:24:01 PM
Washington U. senior David Fatoki sat down with the Bears Sports Network to discuss his four years and what is in his future plans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgqtPHkfEH0&list=PL386C7A8527679D9B
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 30, 2015, 10:44:40 PM
Chicago beats CWRU 81-72, Emory and WUStL also win creating a four-way tie for first.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 30, 2015, 11:13:11 PM
The standings after tonight featuring the four way tie. 

NYU lost to Rochester 64-60 at home, but remains one game back and in contention for the title.  Brandeis is likely out of contention after the loss to Emory. 

Case Western Reserve 4-2
University of Chicago 4-2
Emory University 4-2    
Washington University 4-2
New York University 3-3    
Brandeis University 2-4    
University of Rochester 2-4    
Carnegie Mellon 1-5
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 30, 2015, 11:44:39 PM
Washington University 79
Carnegie Mellon 59

Nick Burt scored a career high 20 points in just 24 minutes and also finished with 9 rebounds.  David Fatoki also set a record for steals in a game with eight.  The Mitch Styczynski story continues with 15 points, 8 rebounds and three big blocks. 

The story of the night though was the emergence of a second group of vocal young men who challenged the Bomb Squad for fan supremacy.  The other group showed up in athletic jerseys, rather than camouflage, and set-up on the upper level.  Not sure if it is another fraternity, but the Bomb Squad was barely louder than our section for much of the game.

Sundays can be quiet, but hopefully both groups show up on Sunday when Washington University hosts Case Western Reserve.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on January 31, 2015, 09:47:05 AM
Quote from: WUH on January 30, 2015, 11:44:39 PM
Washington University 79
Carnegie Mellon 59

Nick Burt scored a career high 20 points in just 24 minutes and also finished with 9 rebounds.  David Fatoki also set a record for steals in a game with eight.  The Mitch Styczynski story continues with 15 points, 8 rebounds and three big blocks. 

The story of the night though was the emergence of a second group of vocal young men who challenged the Bomb Squad for fan supremacy.  The other group showed up in athletic jerseys, rather than camouflage, and set-up on the upper level.  Not sure if it is another fraternity, but the Bomb Squad was barely louder than our section for much of the game.

Sundays can be quiet, but hopefully both groups show up on Sunday when Washington University hosts Case Western Reserve.

"our section"....   hmmm, WUH, the word "our" has certain implications here... ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 31, 2015, 05:48:10 PM
I know all about the folly of judging a team based upon one viewing, but, nevertheless, I wasn't impressed by Case Western Reserve last night. The Spartans certainly look impressive, as that's one of the tallest and longest starting lineups that I've seen in D3 in many a year -- and seeing them live convinced me that their listed heights aren't exaggerated, either. But Chicago is a much more athletic team, and the Maroons were able to use their quickness advantage at just about every position to good effect on offense last night. Even the Spartans' run in the middle of the first half that wiped out a 15-point Maroons lead was more a case of knuckleheaded U of C decisions with the ball than it was CWRU imposing their will upon the Maroons. Chicago was not only quicker, it won the hustle battle, too; every loose ball or contested long rebound went Chicago's way.

The game shouldn't have been that close down the stretch, but Chicago was absolutely brutal from the free-throw line. They got there 44 times, but only made 25 of 44. It was a much more convincing performance for Chicago than the nine-point final margin would seem to indicate.

I figure that CWRU must be better than it looked, based upon W-L, but the Spartans did not make a believer of me at Ratner last night.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 01, 2015, 09:44:53 AM
I concur Greg, an uncharacteristically lackluster performance.  The Maroons grabbed 16 offensive rebounds, nabbing 13 second chance points.

Hopefully they can rebound (in two senses) today
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 01, 2015, 01:12:28 PM
Is there a better call in D3 than Fatoki passes it to Palucki?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 01, 2015, 01:38:25 PM
Quote from: sac on February 01, 2015, 01:12:28 PM
Is there a better call in D3 than Fatoki passes it to Palucki?

Or worse than Washington University in St. Louis vs. Case Western Reserve University?  I assume this match-up together includes one of the longest two name combos for a D3 game.

Otherwise, Case leads at the half, 44-38.  The Spartans had a nice double digit lead until the Bears woke up late in the half, sparked by two defensive stops.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: 7express on February 01, 2015, 02:31:03 PM
After losing to Rochester Friday, NYU beats Emory today; Case was winning by about 16 or 18 with 3 minutes left vs. Wash U.  Interesting weekend in the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 01, 2015, 02:38:36 PM
The difference was literally night and day for the Spartans in St. Louis, beating the Bears 89-78.

CWRU and Chicago tied for first.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 01, 2015, 03:50:47 PM
A very interesting weekend indeed.

Here are the latest standings.  Emory, NYU and Washington University are tied for second and one game back.  Rochester is one of the biggest surprises so far.

Case Western Reserve 5-2
University of Chicago 5-2
Emory University 4-3
Washington University 4-3
New York University 4-3
University of Rochester 3-4
Brandeis University 2-5
Carnegie Mellon 1-6
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 01, 2015, 04:18:52 PM
As for the Case Western Reserve win over Washington University, the Bears had a strong second half, but the Spartans were stronger.

Nick Burt followed-up his career night on Friday with another career scoring effort with 25 points and 10 rebounds.  This was easily the best weekend of his otherwise strong career.  This is the Nick Burt we need each and every game.  The Nick Burt who passes on the 17 footers and is aggressive inside.  His inside play today resulted in four assists as well.  Brandon Staffeil should take note.

Three point shooting and three point defense were the deciding factors today and have been major factors in all three loses for the Bears.  No one has scored more  from long range than the Spartans did today.  Trinity shot 60 percent from three point range, but the Bears were not too far behind in that contest.

The three point stats from the losses:

CWRU 15-30, WUSTL 2-12
NYU 10-23, WUSTL 2-18
CHI 8-19, WUSTL 2-19
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 01, 2015, 04:26:01 PM
Did anyone watch the NYU-Emory game?

Hakim Harris went 1-5 from three point range, but still scored 28 points including a 11-13 performance from the charity stripe.  Judging by the stat sheet, this game was a UAA barn burner, par excellence, for a Sunday game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 02, 2015, 09:59:23 AM
At the half way point, a look at the latest Massey Ratings:

No. 15 Washington University
No. 17 Case Western Reserve
No. 20 Emory University
No. 33 University of Chicago
No. 53 New York University
No. 126 University of Rochester
No. 157 Brandeis University
No. 170 Carnegie Mellon


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on February 02, 2015, 01:44:51 PM
I drove to New York City for the Emory game. I wanted to see the Eagles in person since I seldom get to Atlanta and the Coles Center is one of my favorite venues.

It was a very good game with NYU holding a comfortable lead for much of the second half and then holding on for the victory when the Eagles rallied late.

The Violets really took advantage of their strength down low, repeatedly pounding the ball in the post for Gontikas and Evan Kupferberg. Those two had a lot of point blank shots or put back opportunities.  Eventually the Eagles had to help their low post defenders and that opened up some outside shots for the Violet shooters.

And, when that didn't work, Hakim Harris created on his own. He didn't shoot well from behind the arc but, with his quickness, he could get to the rim and score there. Plus he and Papesch were automatic from the free throw line line.

I was impressed by Emory PG Florin who had two really good offensive halves in two very different ways. I'll have a feature story on him later this week. Rao is a solid spot-up shooter, Terry scored a lot of points down low despite having four fouls and Foster has very nice touch, though he had a relatively off night (6-for-18 FG, 15 points). The Eagles are light in terms of true low post defenders.

Very entertaining game. I'll check out the rematch on video this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on February 03, 2015, 01:41:25 AM
OK, so SIX of the eight teams in the UAA are now in the Top 30 according to d3hoops.com.

Now THAT is MY definition of a "power" conference!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: 7express on February 03, 2015, 02:06:51 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on February 03, 2015, 01:41:25 AM
OK, so SIX of the eight teams in the UAA are now in the Top 30 according to d3hoops.com.

Now THAT is MY definition of a "power" conference!

Who's the 6th??  Case, Wash U, NYU, Chicago, Emory....did they really rank Rochester just for beating NYU??
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 03, 2015, 09:35:41 AM
No, there are just 5.

Curiously, CWRU got fewer votes despite beating #7 WUStL.  With the loss to RV Chicago, I wouldn't have expected them to advance, but I expected them to hold their ranking.  Although they did only drop one spot.

They did advance in Massey and now are given 62% chance to beat Chicago and 60% to beat WUStL this weekend at home.  Emory 78% to beat NYU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 03, 2015, 09:56:58 AM
Quote from: 7express on February 03, 2015, 02:06:51 AM
[...] Case, Wash U, NYU, Chicago, Emory...

And, Johns Hopkins at No. 13!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2015, 10:50:26 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on February 03, 2015, 09:35:41 AM
Curiously, CWRU got fewer votes despite beating #7 WUStL.  With the loss to RV Chicago, I wouldn't have expected them to advance, but I expected them to hold their ranking.  Although they did only drop one spot.

They aren't ranked. When you're not in the Top 25, you're not ranked -- and in addition to the definition and the terminology, what it means in practice is you have very few people voting for you, so you can fluctuate quite a bit depending on the opinion of a couple of voters. It only takes one team having a great week to have that kind of effect on lots of teams at the bottom of the voting.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 03, 2015, 11:53:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2015, 10:50:26 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on February 03, 2015, 09:35:41 AM
Curiously, CWRU got fewer votes despite beating #7 WUStL.  With the loss to RV Chicago, I wouldn't have expected them to advance, but I expected them to hold their ranking.  Although they did only drop one spot.

They aren't ranked. When you're not in the Top 25, you're not ranked -- and in addition to the definition and the terminology, what it means in practice is you have very few people voting for you, so you can fluctuate quite a bit depending on the opinion of a couple of voters. It only takes one team having a great week to have that kind of effect on lots of teams at the bottom of the voting.

Since we are splitting hairs, I didn't say they were ranked, but the definition of to rank is " to place (someone or something) in a particular position among a group of people or things that are being judged according to quality, ability, size, etc."  When teams ORV are listed in order by points, they are in fact being ranked.

Would it have been more acceptable to say "hold their position"?  I do know not to say they were ranked tied for #26 in last week's D3hoops.com Top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2015, 12:09:18 PM
Yes... held their position is a bit better. When you aren't ranked... you can't hold a ranking. And you can't be ranked outside of the Top 25 when voters are only allowed to vote for 25 teams. Not everyone is voting for NYU, most likely, since 38 points is less points than everyone having them 24th (50 points).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 05, 2015, 01:18:10 PM
Big promotion by CWRU for Chicago Friday.

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/genrel/feb6_promotions
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2015, 01:25:19 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on February 03, 2015, 11:53:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2015, 10:50:26 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on February 03, 2015, 09:35:41 AM
Curiously, CWRU got fewer votes despite beating #7 WUStL.  With the loss to RV Chicago, I wouldn't have expected them to advance, but I expected them to hold their ranking.  Although they did only drop one spot.

They aren't ranked. When you're not in the Top 25, you're not ranked -- and in addition to the definition and the terminology, what it means in practice is you have very few people voting for you, so you can fluctuate quite a bit depending on the opinion of a couple of voters. It only takes one team having a great week to have that kind of effect on lots of teams at the bottom of the voting.

Since we are splitting hairs, I didn't say they were ranked, but the definition of to rank is " to place (someone or something) in a particular position among a group of people or things that are being judged according to quality, ability, size, etc."  When teams ORV are listed in order by points, they are in fact being ranked.

Would it have been more acceptable to say "hold their position"?  I do know not to say they were ranked tied for #26 in last week's D3hoops.com Top 25.

If they don't have a numerical rank listed next to them in the release, they aren't ranked -- that's the distinction.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 05, 2015, 02:38:43 PM
Matt Palucki and Davis Rao made the 2014-15 Academic All-District Men's Basketball District 5 Team.

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/20150205z4rbly
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on February 06, 2015, 10:44:01 AM
Washington U. head coach Mark Edwards discusses the depth of the University Athletic Association and UAA Athlete of the Week Nick Burt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSsJX32mtjg
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 06, 2015, 12:43:35 PM
Dane McLoughlin Capital One Academic All-District VII

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/201502061iyyg0
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: 7express on February 06, 2015, 05:55:57 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on February 05, 2015, 01:18:10 PM
Big promotion by CWRU for Chicago Friday.

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/genrel/feb6_promotions

I only started following D-3 basketball when I went to Western Connecticut in 2010, so I don't know about the 20, 30, 50 year history of UAA teams, but could this weekend be one of the biggest weekends in Case's men's basketball history with Chicago & Wash U coming in for first place in the UAA??
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 06, 2015, 06:37:36 PM
The UAA only started play in the 1987-88 school year, so the history doesn't go back quite that far.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 06, 2015, 06:54:25 PM
Quote from: 7express on February 06, 2015, 05:55:57 PM
I only started following D-3 basketball when I went to Western Connecticut in 2010, so I don't know about the 20, 30, 50 year history of UAA teams, but could this weekend be one of the biggest weekends in Case's men's basketball history with Chicago & Wash U coming in for first place in the UAA??

To answer the question: yes, this is one of the biggest weekends ever in the history of Case Western Reserve Men's Basketball.

Keep in mind, the Spartans currently have am 11-32 record against Chicago and a 4-41 record against Washington University and had lost 19 straight games to the Bears before last weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 06, 2015, 07:14:49 PM
The first games of the second half of the season are about to tip. Every game matters, but may none more than Chicago and Case Western Reserve. The game is online at: http://tv.case.edu/athletics/

February 6 
 
Chicago vs. Case Western Reserve   
Brandeis vs. Emory             
Washington University vs. Carnegie Mellon
New York University vs. Rochester         
     
February 8   
New York University vs. Emory             
Washington University vs. Case Western Reserve
Chicago vs. Carnegie Mellon
Brandeis vs. Rochester   
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 06, 2015, 08:41:11 PM
Carnegie Mellon leads Washington University at the half, 30-22.  The Bears are getting good looks in the paint, but are struggling to finish while the Tartans are +6 on rebounds and 7-7 from the line.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 06, 2015, 08:50:13 PM
Chicago leads Case Western Reserve at the half, 47-40 in what is clearly the game of the night.  The Spartans could not miss from three point range last Sunday but are 2-6 so far tonight.

NYU is struggling on the road against Rochester, down 12 with seconds left in the first half, while Emory looks ready to send Brandeis on their way.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 06, 2015, 09:01:41 PM
In the past, I would have said it would be too early to call for an upset alert, but with 13 minutes left in the game, Carnegie Mellon leads Washington University, 47-30.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 06, 2015, 09:37:03 PM
CWRU has remedied two of the deficiencies form last week's game: rebounding and free throws.  But Chicago is shooting 55% from the field and 57% from 3.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 06, 2015, 09:38:17 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on February 06, 2015, 09:37:03 PM
CWRU has remedied two of the deficiencies form last week's game: rebounding and free throws.  But Chicago is shooting 55% from the field and 57% from 3.

CWRU has battled back down 74-71 2 minutes left

Spartans got as close as two, but turned it over when they had a chance to tie.  Final 79-73
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 06, 2015, 09:46:49 PM
Chicago edges CWRU, 79-73. The Spartans fought back from an eight-point deficit with three minutes to go, but a huge Case turnover with :13 left and the Spartans down two ended up sealing their fate.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 06, 2015, 09:50:04 PM
Carnegie Mellon beat Wash U, 72-59.

Emory slaughtered Brandeis, 89-53.

Rochester downed NYU, 85-75.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 06, 2015, 09:59:39 PM
 
Chicago 6-2
Case Western Reserve 5-3 
Emory 5-3
New York U. 4-4
Washington (Mo.) 4-4 
Rochester (N.Y.) 4-4 
Brandeis 2-6
Carnegie Mellon 2-6

Maroons in the driver's seat with h2h vs CWRU and a win over Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 06, 2015, 10:00:43 PM
Carnegie Mellon gets the upset win over Washington University.  The final from Pittsburgh: 72-59.  Definitely one of the worst shooting performances of the season for the Bears who had many good opportunities tonight including many potential points in the paint.  The Bears had an awful night from the charity stripe (12-21) while watching the Tartans go 18-19 from the line.

A tough, tough loss for the Bears who are currently in third, down two games with Case Western Reserve and Emory (I should probably include Rochester) left to play on the road.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 06, 2015, 10:07:03 PM
Very damaging loss, to be sure.  Bears haven gotten into a bad trend of starting slowly.  Shots aren't falling on the road. 

No wiggle room left, it seems.  I'm thinking 10-4 could produce a solo champ or a tie for the UAA crown.  Wash-U has won the UAA twice with 10-4 records, the last in the 2007-08 campaign when the Bears won the national championship. 

Just win, baby...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 06, 2015, 10:13:07 PM
And to think that WashU was a nearly unanimous #1 as recently as Jan. 4.  Of course, Augustana was a nearly unanimous #1 as recently as Jan. 18.  Lo, how the mighty have fallen! :o

(Though I have always suspected that this season there are no 'mighty' - just a whole bunch of very, very good! ;)  And a whole lot more pretty darn good who can beat them on any given night.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on February 06, 2015, 11:38:10 PM
Darn.

Was really hoping for a win.

OK, since I'm not too familiar with the Division III tournament, what are the odds of CWRU getting an "at large" bid if we manage to hold on the 2nd place?

Is it like in the Division I tourney where you have some conferences that get 4-8 teams in, while other conferences only get their conference champion in?

I'd like for somebody who is "in the know" to please educate me.  Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2015, 11:53:34 PM
Highly unlikely any conference gets four teams in -- although the NESCAC does so on occasion. However, the UAA is a strong conference in Division III men's basketball, and in a normal season should get multiple teams in.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 07, 2015, 12:03:48 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2015, 11:53:34 PM
Highly unlikely any conference gets four teams in -- although the NESCAC does so on occasion. However, the UAA is a strong conference in Division III men's basketball, and in a normal season should get multiple teams in.

The UAA does have one unique advantage over any other conference - the eight teams are spread across five regions.  In d3, the selection committee chooses from just one team per region at a time - each region putting forth their 'top' C candidate.  Once a team is selected, the next team from that region gets to the table (you can't be selected if you don't reach the table, where you are then compared to the other seven candidates).  I haven't yet looked at the various other criteria in any detail, but just based on records I would say Chicago, Emory, Case, and WashU all have excellent chances, with NYU a dark horse.  One of those will be the A, 2 or perhaps 3 may well be Cs.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: 7express on February 07, 2015, 12:28:52 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on February 06, 2015, 11:38:10 PM
Darn.

Was really hoping for a win.

OK, since I'm not too familiar with the Division III tournament, what are the odds of CWRU getting an "at large" bid if we manage to hold on the 2nd place?

Is it like in the Division I tourney where you have some conferences that get 4-8 teams in, while other conferences only get their conference champion in?

I'd like for somebody who is "in the know" to please educate me.  Thanks!

The NEWMAC got 4 teams in last year, the LEC should've sent 4 teams in 2012 (yes I'm still bitter) and the NESCAC has gotten 4 teams in a few times, but highly unlikely a conference gets 4 teams in...


...however, the UAA is a conference unlike any other.  Since the UAA is the only conference spread out through more than 1 region (and multiple regions at that) the UAA could very well send 4 teams to the tournament since there will only be one or two blockers (i.e. both Emory & Wash U can be on the table at the same time which can't be the same for any other conference
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 07, 2015, 05:51:40 PM
Quote from: 7express on February 07, 2015, 12:28:52 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on February 06, 2015, 11:38:10 PM
Darn.

Was really hoping for a win.

OK, since I'm not too familiar with the Division III tournament, what are the odds of CWRU getting an "at large" bid if we manage to hold on the 2nd place?

Is it like in the Division I tourney where you have some conferences that get 4-8 teams in, while other conferences only get their conference champion in?

I'd like for somebody who is "in the know" to please educate me.  Thanks!

The NEWMAC got 4 teams in last year, the LEC should've sent 4 teams in 2012 (yes I'm still bitter) and the NESCAC has gotten 4 teams in a few times

The WIAC and the NJAC have also reached the four-team threshold in past tournaments, but that was back in the '90s.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2015, 01:26:17 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 07, 2015, 05:51:40 PM
Quote from: 7express on February 07, 2015, 12:28:52 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on February 06, 2015, 11:38:10 PM
Darn.

Was really hoping for a win.

OK, since I'm not too familiar with the Division III tournament, what are the odds of CWRU getting an "at large" bid if we manage to hold on the 2nd place?

Is it like in the Division I tourney where you have some conferences that get 4-8 teams in, while other conferences only get their conference champion in?

I'd like for somebody who is "in the know" to please educate me.  Thanks!

The NEWMAC got 4 teams in last year, the LEC should've sent 4 teams in 2012 (yes I'm still bitter) and the NESCAC has gotten 4 teams in a few times

The WIAC and the NJAC have also reached the four-team threshold in past tournaments, but that was back in the '90s.

The pre-Pools 64-team tournaments were not comparable. With eight teams chosen from the Atlantic, especially, since it was about 35 teams in size, it was a lot easier to take four NJAC teams.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on February 08, 2015, 01:40:05 AM
Pat,

Thanks for the info!

So in your judgment, would an at-large bid be likely for CWRU if CWRU manages to hold on to second place in the UAA?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2015, 01:42:34 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on February 08, 2015, 01:40:05 AM
Pat,

Thanks for the info!

So in your judgment, would an at-large bid be likely for CWRU if CWRU manages to hold on to second place in the UAA?

It's too soon to say that for sure for this year but in general the UAA produces at least one strong at-large contender.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: 7express on February 08, 2015, 02:27:34 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on February 08, 2015, 01:40:05 AM
Pat,

Thanks for the info!

So in your judgment, would an at-large bid be likely for CWRU if CWRU manages to hold on to second place in the UAA?

Regional rankings (first ones come out this Wednesday) are a big factor too that you have to take into consideration which teams get in.  If Case is somewhere like #6 in their region they still have a lot of work to do, but if they happen to be #1 or #2 they are in pretty good shape.  As Pat says way to early as we still have 2 more weeks left of the regular season + conference tournament week which also throws a wrench or 2 into the plans.

As of now I'd say if Case hung onto 2nd they'd get in, but we'll know more about where they stand in the region on Wednesday night.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 08, 2015, 09:19:58 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2015, 01:26:17 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 07, 2015, 05:51:40 PM
Quote from: 7express on February 07, 2015, 12:28:52 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on February 06, 2015, 11:38:10 PM
Darn.

Was really hoping for a win.

OK, since I'm not too familiar with the Division III tournament, what are the odds of CWRU getting an "at large" bid if we manage to hold on the 2nd place?

Is it like in the Division I tourney where you have some conferences that get 4-8 teams in, while other conferences only get their conference champion in?

I'd like for somebody who is "in the know" to please educate me.  Thanks!

The NEWMAC got 4 teams in last year, the LEC should've sent 4 teams in 2012 (yes I'm still bitter) and the NESCAC has gotten 4 teams in a few times

The WIAC and the NJAC have also reached the four-team threshold in past tournaments, but that was back in the '90s.

The pre-Pools 64-team tournaments were not comparable. With eight teams chosen from the Atlantic, especially, since it was about 35 teams in size, it was a lot easier to take four NJAC teams.

I know that. I was simply filling out the list of leagues that have gotten four teams into a single tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 08, 2015, 12:37:59 PM
Washington University leads Case Western Reserve 46-38 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 08, 2015, 12:49:39 PM
Emory leads NYU at the half by a mere four points, 43-39.  Harris, Kupferberg, and Gontikas all in double figures.

Carnegie Mellon leads Chicago 49-37 with 13 minutes left to go in the game.  The Maroons are closing what was a 20+ point gap.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 08, 2015, 12:51:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2015, 11:53:34 PM
Highly unlikely any conference gets four teams in -- although the NESCAC does so on occasion. However, the UAA is a strong conference in Division III men's basketball, and in a normal season should get multiple teams in.

The ODAC did it in 2010 -- Eastern Mennonite, Guilford, Randolph-Macon, Virginia Wesleyan.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 08, 2015, 01:03:01 PM
Carnegie Mellon leads Chicago 61-43 with six minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 08, 2015, 01:08:53 PM
Carnegie Mellon leads Chicago 69-45 with three minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 08, 2015, 01:12:41 PM
NYU lead Emory by five with 13 in the second half.  Chicago will go down.  Sundays in the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 08, 2015, 01:30:37 PM
NYU leads Emory by 9 with five left to go.  Washington University goes on to destroy Case Western Reserve in a game that was a mirror image of the game a week ago.  The final score: 95-75.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 08, 2015, 01:37:38 PM
Easily the most impressive box score for Washington University all season. 

Notably, the Bears shot 8-16 from three point range including 17 points by Luke Silverman-Lloyd.  Palucki also had 17, Fatoki with 13, Nick Burt with 19 and Mitch Styczynski leads all scorers with 20.

+14 on rebounds and 24 assists.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 08, 2015, 01:48:46 PM
The vibe surrounding the team was much better today--players had more urgency, not out of desperation, but knowing that they have to play better to remain in the hunt for the UAA crown.  Which they are, down a game in the standings with 5 to play.

Energy on the bench was better--much more cheering for teammates, jumping up and down on made 3s by Silverman-Lloyd.  WashU women's team cheered loudly for the men too.  That needs to continue for the rest of the season. 

Coach Edwards has always said that UAA championships are won on Sundays.  This could prove to be the most pivotal Sunday of the conference season, at least from WashU's perspective.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 08, 2015, 01:51:09 PM
NYU wins in unbelievable fashion on an last second lay-up by Kupferberg! Wow! Emory loses at home after battling back with a chance to win in regulation.

Overtime in Rochester.  Sundays in the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 08, 2015, 01:56:27 PM
For what it's worth, here are the UAA standings regarding conference road wins:

Case-Western 3
WashU 2
Emory 2
Rochester 2
NYU 1
Chicago 1
Brandeis 0
Carnegie Mellon 0

WashU has 2 road games left, next weekend at Emory and Rochester.  Case has 2 road games next weekend at NYU and Brandeis.  Chicago goes to Rochester and Emory next weekend.  WashU can't count on another wacky Sunday like today in the UAA--gotta continue to take care of business on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 08, 2015, 01:59:34 PM
Updated road win standings--haven't factored in the late-ending games.  D'OH!!

Case 3
WashU 2
Emory 2
Rochester 2
NYU 2
Carnegie 0
Brandeis 0--but hoping for one today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 08, 2015, 02:37:44 PM
UAA standings...heading toward a multi-horse photo finish?

Chicago 6-3
WashU 5-4
Case-Western 5-4
Emory 5-4
Rochester 5-4
NYU 5-4
Carnegie Mellon 3-6
Brandeis 2-7
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 08, 2015, 02:50:20 PM
And, just like that, we have six teams back in it.  Unbelievable and unprecedented.

I have to apologize to Rochester for counting them out early on.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 08, 2015, 03:12:47 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 08, 2015, 02:50:20 PM
And, just like that, we have six teams back in it.  Unbelievable and unprecedented.

I have to apologize to Rochester for counting them out early on.

Boy, you and me both.  Never saw this coming
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2015, 03:42:58 PM
Per at-large bids, just because the conference is spread out across different regions doesn't necessarily mean it will get extra bids. In fact, it may have to face itself for at-large bids.

Now, in the East NYU may stand out (as long as they don't keep stumbling) and could position themselves to get to the table early - if not first. However, it isn't like teams have been at the table and sat their the entire time and never been selected (i.e. Staten Island last year in the Atlantic).

Case Western might get to the table quickly, but they are in a semi-crowded Great Lakes with Wooster, Ohio Wesleyan, Marietta, Mount Union, Hope, Calvin, Trine, etc. that in any combination could be sitting ahead of them in the regional rankings (and not get the AQ).

Emory in the South will probably be high, but it depends if they get stuck behind an extra ODAC team or someone from Texas. Not sure.

Chicago and Wash U... in trouble. If Wash U is looking for an at large bid (assuming Chicago gets the AQ in this example), they are going to probably end up behind two or three CCIWs, one WIAC, maybe even a surprise at-large team (who should have won their conference). The Central Region is deep. If anyone is in trouble of not getting an at-large bid... it's Wash U right now.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 08, 2015, 05:07:18 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2015, 03:42:58 PM
Per at-large bids, just because the conference is spread out across different regions doesn't necessarily mean it will get extra bids. In fact, it may have to face itself for at-large bids.

Now, in the East NYU may stand out (as long as they don't keep stumbling) and could position themselves to get to the table early - if not first. However, it isn't like teams have been at the table and sat their the entire time and never been selected (i.e. Staten Island last year in the Atlantic).

Case Western might get to the table quickly, but they are in a semi-crowded Great Lakes with Wooster, Ohio Wesleyan, Marietta, Mount Union, Hope, Calvin, Trine, etc. that in any combination could be sitting ahead of them in the regional rankings (and not get the AQ).

Emory in the South will probably be high, but it depends if they get stuck behind an extra ODAC team or someone from Texas. Not sure.

Chicago and Wash U... in trouble. If Wash U is looking for an at large bid (assuming Chicago gets the AQ in this example), they are going to probably end up behind two or three CCIWs, one WIAC, maybe even a surprise at-large team (who should have won their conference). The Central Region is deep. If anyone is in trouble of not getting an at-large bid... it's Wash U right now.

While its true the Central is deep, all of its current Pool C candidates are very strong candidates and would be taken pretty early in the process.  WashU's 16-4/.570 OWP is pretty strong nationally, remember they'll get boat loads of RvRRO's.   They have better current criteria than  Elmhurst and are probably at least even with North Central.

Chicago would be in trouble if they don't win the AQ I think, they'd be behind at least 5 other pool c teams in the this region.

Current pecking order is probably.........
Current Pool A's:  Whitewater, IWU, St. Norbert, Chicago, Aurora, Spalding
Current Pool C's:  Stevens Point, Augustana, WashU, North Central, Elmhurst.

Without upsets the Central gets 4 pretty easily I think.  At least two of these are interchangeable(Whitewater-Point, IWU-Augie)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 08, 2015, 05:13:46 PM
Quote from: sac on February 08, 2015, 05:07:18 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2015, 03:42:58 PM
Per at-large bids, just because the conference is spread out across different regions doesn't necessarily mean it will get extra bids. In fact, it may have to face itself for at-large bids.

Now, in the East NYU may stand out (as long as they don't keep stumbling) and could position themselves to get to the table early - if not first. However, it isn't like teams have been at the table and sat their the entire time and never been selected (i.e. Staten Island last year in the Atlantic).

Case Western might get to the table quickly, but they are in a semi-crowded Great Lakes with Wooster, Ohio Wesleyan, Marietta, Mount Union, Hope, Calvin, Trine, etc. that in any combination could be sitting ahead of them in the regional rankings (and not get the AQ).

Emory in the South will probably be high, but it depends if they get stuck behind an extra ODAC team or someone from Texas. Not sure.

Chicago and Wash U... in trouble. If Wash U is looking for an at large bid (assuming Chicago gets the AQ in this example), they are going to probably end up behind two or three CCIWs, one WIAC, maybe even a surprise at-large team (who should have won their conference). The Central Region is deep. If anyone is in trouble of not getting an at-large bid... it's Wash U right now.

While its true the Central is deep, all of its current Pool C candidates are very strong candidates and would be taken pretty early in the process.  WashU's 16-4/.570 OWP is pretty strong nationally, remember they'll get boat loads of RvRRO's.   They have better current criteria than  Elmhurst and are probably at least even with North Central.

Chicago would be in trouble if they don't win the AQ I think, they'd be behind at least 5 other pool c teams in the this region.

Current pecking order is probably.........
Current Pool A's:  Whitewater, IWU, St. Norbert, Chicago, Aurora, Spalding
Current Pool C's:  Stevens Point, Augustana, WashU, North Central, Elmhurst.

Without upsets the Central gets 4 pretty easily I think.  At least two of these are interchangeable(Whitewater-Point, IWU-Augie)

See bold above. After yesterday's game MacMurray leads the SLIAC, but the SLIAC has a four team tournament, so anything can happen.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 08, 2015, 06:05:56 PM
Next weekend will be very important.  WashU still has games against teams that it is tied with or behind--except for Case, with whom the Bears split their games.  They visit Emory Friday, and Rochester Sunday; then three games at home to finish the season vs. NYU, Brandeis, and Chicago. 

I guess I am somewhere in-between Dave's and sac's assessments.  It is good that the Bears played with more verve and urgency today--they will need to do so in every game the rest of the way to finish their run through the gauntlet.  It could be far worse than their current status of being a game off the lead with five to play.

We'll begin to see exactly who is an endangered playoff species on Wednesday, when the first regional rankings are released, eh?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2015, 06:25:24 PM

Probably goes without saying, but at this point, no UAA team can stand to lose another game.  Some teams might still get in with another loss, but none should be expecting it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 08, 2015, 09:31:05 PM
For those who have not yet seen it, the wildest play of the day in an otherwise wild UAA Sunday was courtesy of Patrick Burns, Costa Gontikas, and Evan Kupferberg.

Emory had the ball tied 70-70 with a chance to win it, but NYU defended the play and got the ball back with 1.5 seconds left.  And, then this happened: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJN3DqQInZ4

Kupferberg finished with 24 points while Harris had 18 in the win.  NYU was +11 on rebounds, but struggled with 23 turnovers.  Emory had their own struggles, however, going 2-28 (7 percent) from three point range.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 08, 2015, 10:01:44 PM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on February 08, 2015, 03:12:47 PM
Boy, you and me both.  Never saw this coming

Rochester started the season 3-0 before going 1-8 to finish out non-conference play.  They then go 1-3 to start conference play with a win over Carnegie Mellon before rattling off four straight wins against NYU and Brandeis.  Here they are right in the mix.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on February 09, 2015, 06:37:04 AM
Ugh!

My Spartans may now be in MELTDOWN mode!

Let's hope that this doesn't continue.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2015, 10:58:26 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on February 09, 2015, 06:37:04 AM
Ugh!

My Spartans may now be in MELTDOWN mode!

Let's hope that this doesn't continue.

This is just the way the UAA is, man ... it's a tough slog. Case is making progress, though. Update of a chart we ran in Around the Nation a couple of weeks ago:

Life in the UAA

Case Western Reserve has had a varying amount of success in the past decade in non-conference games, but has had a losing record in conference each season.

Season   Non-conf.    Conf.
2006-07   4-7 (.364)   1-13 (.071)
2007-08   7-4 (.636)   1-13 (.071)
2008-09   7-4 (.636)   5-9 (.357)
2009-10   8-3 (.727)   6-8 (.429)
2010-11   4-7 (.364)   5-9 (.357)
2011-12   8-3 (.727)   2-12 (.143)
2012-13   7-4 (.636)   5-9 (.357)
2013-14   8-3 (.727)   6-8 (.429)
2014-15   9-2 (.818)   5-4 (Feb. 9)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 09, 2015, 11:53:40 AM
You live by the three you die by the three.  CWRU shot threes 20% below it season average vs Chicago and nearly 10% below vs WashU.  Wash shot 54% from the field 50% on threes.  If they make three of the eleven misses vs Chicago they likely win (would have been 6-14 right at their season average).  They also missed fifteen layups, making only ten!

Let's look on the bright side, if the Spartans can win four of the last five (it has wins over four of those last opponents, although Brandeis and NYU were at home), it will be the best season in program history!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 09, 2015, 12:06:00 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on February 09, 2015, 11:53:40 AM
You live by the three you die by the three.  CWRU shot threes 20% below it season average vs Chicago and nearly 10% below vs WashU.  Wash shot 54% from the field 50% on threes.  If they make three of the eleven misses vs Chicago they likely win (would have been 6-14 right at their season average).  They also missed fifteen layups, making only ten!

Let's look on the bright side, if the Spartans can win four of the last five (it has wins over four of those last opponents, although Brandeis and NYU were at home), it will be the best season in program history!

The bright side is that winning four of the last five could be enough to win the conference.  And, clearly CWRU could win five of the next five. 

The only dark side, as I see it, is that the Spartans will lose McLoughlin, Klements, Edel, Person and maybe Dean to graduation.  But, definitely not the time to think about that now.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 10, 2015, 11:06:39 PM
I was thinking about my previous post and was thinking about how the league might look next season considering the parity we have this season.  Here is a list of seniors who average 9-10 minutes or more and who will have used four years of eligibility.

Emory: Max Davis, Michael Florin, Josh Shattie, and Alex Foster

Washington University: Matt Palucki, David Fatoki, Nick Burt

Rochester: Tyler Seidman, Kevin Sheehy, Tyler Sankes

Carnegie Mellon: Jasen Blakney, Seth Cordts, Kevin Stursberg
_________________________________________________________

Brandeis: Connor Arnold

NYU: Iyoha Agho

Chicago: Royce Muskeyvalley though he has used three years of eligibility and would be eligible to play if he stays for a fifth year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 10, 2015, 11:45:44 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 10, 2015, 11:06:39 PM
Chicago: Royce Muskeyvalley though he has used three years of eligibility and would be eligible to play if he stays for a fifth year.

I'm pretty sure that Muskeyvalley will be back for the Maroons next year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 11, 2015, 05:14:28 PM
UAA in Reg Rankings

Wash  #4 Central   (Chicago not ranked, looks like they need title to make tourney)

NYU  #5 in East

CWRU   #4 in GL

Emory  #3 in South



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2015, 08:01:21 PM
If the teams were selected right now... don't be surprised if a team not currently ranked could made the tournament. It has happened in the Central region before (women).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 13, 2015, 04:11:40 PM
Washington University finished the 1914-1915 with five straight wins after a few blowouts earlier in the season. 

1914-15
Kansas A&M L 18-35
Kansas A&M L 12-46
Missouri L 18-52
Missouri L 14-23
Kansas L 16-48
Kansas L 20-39
Missouri W26-23
Missouri L 24-29
McKendree W40-17
Illinois Normal W 28-18
Illinois Normal W 29-13
St. Louis W 29-22
St. Louis W 20-7

I have watched several Emory games this season and they are very tough at home, but I am really looking forward to this game. 

Both teams probably need to win to stay in contention for the title, so this is a big game.  Not to mention the fact that no one on the current Emory roster has ever been on the winning end of a game against Washington University.

Video and Live Stats
http://www.emoryathletics.com/information/webcasts
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 13, 2015, 05:22:30 PM
Nice dip back to 100 years ago, WUH!!

If the Bears come out of the gates with the same energy and bounce as they did at Case last Sunday, I feel very good about their chances.  They need a win to make that long travel day to Rochester a positive one devoid of drudgery. 

With six teams within a game of each other at the head of the home stretch of the UAA race, this is Affirmed vs. Alydar x 3!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 13, 2015, 08:47:15 PM
Emory leads Washington University by five at the half after trailing for much of the first 20 minutes.  Emory used a late run to take the lead after heating up from three point range (7-13). 

Chicago leads Rochester 28-14 with five minutes in the second half.

NYU leads Case Western Reserve 39-34 at the half after leading by 16 at one point.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 13, 2015, 08:59:00 PM
Tempo also was in favor of Emory in last 10 minutes of 1st half...not what the Bears want, an open-court game for minutes on end.

Could be worse for Wash-U fans...need a strong start to the 2nd.  No exchanging Emory 3s for Wash-U 2s in beaucoup fashion.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 13, 2015, 09:17:06 PM
Washington University has 14 turnovers and all but maybe two were off passes that were easily picked off by Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 13, 2015, 09:44:13 PM
Emory 93, Wash U 87

NYU 94, CWRU 73

Brandeis 68, Carnegie Mellon 57

Chicago @ Rochester is going down to the wire, even as I type.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 13, 2015, 09:44:53 PM
Emory wins 93-87.  Eagles stop a 7-game losing streak to Wash-U, and played well tonight.  Wash-U faces a must-win situation the rest of the way, in the final 4 games of the season...beginning Sunday at Rochester...to have a chance to get the best slice of the UAA crown.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 13, 2015, 09:58:39 PM
Chicago pulled away in the final ninety seconds and won, 72-63. Great battle between Jordan Smith (29 pts) and Sam "the Paperboy" Borst-Smith (26 pts).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 13, 2015, 10:04:09 PM
The loss tonight was probably the most frustrating game of the season and not because of the stakes, but because Washington University lost a game that was very winnable. 

The Bears trailed by a four points with a 2-3 minutes left, but could not get over the hump.

15 turnovers for the game with almost all of them coming off the easiest to read passes I have ever seen.  Most of the passes were telegraphed.  My community high school team could have forced those 15 turnovers tonight. 

Nick Burt was called for a technical foul which resulted in a four point swing for the Eagles.  Absolutely no reason to foul in that situation and especially not a technical.  Burt has been saving his best for last as of late, but that foul was ridiculous.

If you are a coach scouting this team, let the guards know to watch for opportunities to pick off David Fatoki from behind as he drives the lane. 

Glad to see Luke Silverman-Lloyd shooting the ball and shooting well.  20 points tonight.  Just keep shooting!  Mitch Styczynski has proven to be the most reliable player on the team in conference play.  12 points tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 13, 2015, 10:10:56 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 13, 2015, 09:58:39 PM
Chicago pulled away in the final ninety seconds and won, 72-63. Great battle between Jordan Smith (29 pts) and Sam "the Paperboy" Borst-Smith (26 pts).

I am not suggesting that Borst-Smith is the next Johnny Basketball, but his trajectory so far is right on track.  Both had 30 point games and many 20-25 point games in league play as sophomores.

Chicago led by 14 at one point, but that was a two point game with three minutes left.  Rochester is extremely dangerous.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 14, 2015, 07:21:59 PM
Tough travels for the Spartans, Sunday's games delayed three hours.

Now resched for Monday Noon
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 15, 2015, 04:16:28 PM
Wash-U hangs in the UAA race with a 94-87 win at Rochester.  The Bears are one game behind Emory, Chicago, and NYU with 3 games to play.  The Case vs. Brandeis game has been moved to Monday.

Emory topped Chicago 85-82, and NYU defeated Carnegie Mellon 94-82 to create the 3-way tie atop the UAA.  Wash-U has its last 3 games at home...Bears need some Fieldhouse magic over the next two weekends.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 16, 2015, 12:29:28 AM
Washington University is indeed going to need some Field House magic over the next two weekends.  Interestingly, the only conference losses that anyone on this team has experienced at home are NYU and Brandeis from two and three years ago.  Only five losses at home over the past three seasons with three of those losses in the postseason.

I did not get to watch the game against Rochester, but you gotta love that box score.  Luke Silverman-Lloyd scores a career high 22 points off 5-6 shooting from three point range.  He played 37 minutes which must be a career high as well.  Keep shooting!

Mitch Styczynski scored 14 points.  Matt Highsmith scores a career high 18 points thanks in part to his 6-6 shooting performance from the line.  A very good sign for sure. 

David Fatoki finishes with 11 assists along with 9 points while Nick Burt finishes with 21 points and 10 rebounds; quite a contrast from his 4 point, 3 rebound performance against Rochester a few weeks ago, but he has played incredibly well over the past six games.

From the press release: Palucki passed Paul Jackson (1984-88) and Jarriot Rook (1999-03) into 16th on the all-time scoring list with 1,175 points ... Palucki also moved into fifth place for career rebounds (697).

Palucki needs 42 points and 13 rebounds to move ahead of Sean Wallis and Troy Ruths.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 16, 2015, 11:06:04 AM
CWRU got a win at the Field House this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 16, 2015, 11:17:43 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on February 16, 2015, 11:06:04 AM
CWRU got a win at the Field House this year.

Past three seasons...I did not feel the need to mention the Case Western Reserve win in the current season because, well, it was in the current season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 16, 2015, 11:28:17 AM
NBD, but that isn't what you wrote. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 16, 2015, 03:16:47 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on February 16, 2015, 11:28:17 AM
NBD, but that isn't what you wrote.

OK, so I removed the semicolon and divided the sentence in to two and did not swing around to fix the first.  My mistake.  Two conference losses from past seasons. 0.666 home losses per season for the seniors.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 16, 2015, 04:00:39 PM
Spartans beat Brandeis to stay in the top five, a game behind the leaders and tied with Wash.

Of the three tied for first Emory would appear to have the easiest path, with games at CWRU and CMU and at home vs Roch.  Chicago hosts NYU, but goes to Wash.  NYU travels to both Chicago and Wash.

UAA tie breaker:

If a champion cannot be determined by won-loss percentage, co-champions shall be declared
and the representative to NCAA post-season competition determined by the following criteria,
applied to regularly-scheduled Association games:
1) Best record in head-to-head UAA competition between the co-champions;
2) Best record in head-to-head UAA competition between the co-champions and the
subsequent finishers until a representative is determined;
3) Best record in UAA road games;
4) If this process fails to determine a representative, the representative to NCAA post-season
competition shall be determined by a coin flip administered by the Executive Secretary.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 16, 2015, 07:13:52 PM
The way things have gone this season, each team's path is fraught with danger.  Contenders have to come out sharp and not fall behind too far, because spoilers like Carnegie Mellon and Brandeis are more than talented enough to slap Ls on the backs of slumbering opponents.

Pressure-packed basketball...can't take a two-minute stretch off here and there to catch one's breath in games and expect no damage from that coasting.  Wash-U's path is challenging over the next two weekends, but at least the Bears are home for all three remaining games.  That might end up being a very valuable trump card, when the dust finally settles on the evening of February 28th.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 17, 2015, 11:16:57 AM
Congratulations to Luke Silverman-Lloyd for making the D3hoops.com Team of the Week: http://d3hoops.com/awards/tow/2014-15/week12
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 17, 2015, 09:25:24 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on February 16, 2015, 04:00:39 PM
UAA tie breaker:

If a champion cannot be determined by won-loss percentage, co-champions shall be declared
and the representative to NCAA post-season competition determined by the following criteria,
applied to regularly-scheduled Association games:
1) Best record in head-to-head UAA competition between the co-champions;
2) Best record in head-to-head UAA competition between the co-champions and the
subsequent finishers until a representative is determined;
3) Best record in UAA road games;
4) If this process fails to determine a representative, the representative to NCAA post-season
competition shall be determined by a coin flip administered by the Executive Secretary.

Tiebreaker #4 just doesn't seem right for the UAA. The league's executive secretary should call the respective team captains separately into his or her office to test them as to how many decimal points of pi each can recite.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 18, 2015, 08:25:49 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 17, 2015, 09:25:24 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on February 16, 2015, 04:00:39 PM
UAA tie breaker:

If a champion cannot be determined by won-loss percentage, co-champions shall be declared
and the representative to NCAA post-season competition determined by the following criteria,
applied to regularly-scheduled Association games:
1) Best record in head-to-head UAA competition between the co-champions;
2) Best record in head-to-head UAA competition between the co-champions and the
subsequent finishers until a representative is determined;
3) Best record in UAA road games;
4) If this process fails to determine a representative, the representative to NCAA post-season
competition shall be determined by a coin flip administered by the Executive Secretary.

Tiebreaker #4 just doesn't seem right for the UAA. The league's executive secretary should call the respective team captains separately into his or her office to test them as to how many decimal points of pi each can recite.

+k

Or an easier to administer tie breaker, team with highest GPA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 18, 2015, 04:31:00 PM
I asked every student I talked to today and though my sample is relatively small and included only one athlete who is not on the basketball team, no one I talked to knew Pi past 3.1415.

I think we would fare better on GPA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 18, 2015, 06:08:00 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 18, 2015, 04:31:00 PM
I asked every student I talked to today and though my sample is relatively small and included only one athlete who is not on the basketball team, no one I talked to knew Pi past 3.1415.

I think we would fare better on GPA.

Yeah, but where's the fun in that?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 18, 2015, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 18, 2015, 06:08:00 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 18, 2015, 04:31:00 PM
I asked every student I talked to today and though my sample is relatively small and included only one athlete who is not on the basketball team, no one I talked to knew Pi past 3.1415.

I think we would fare better on GPA.

Yeah, but where's the fun in that?

And then we'd hear conspiracies about grade inflation for bballers! :o

(But it is true that you might not survive on pi: since it starts 3.14159, if you cut off at four decimal places it would be 3.1416. :P  You can easily google pi to 1,000,000 places, so just start studying! ;D)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2015, 06:45:17 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 18, 2015, 04:31:00 PM
I asked every student I talked to today and though my sample is relatively small and included only one athlete who is not on the basketball team, no one I talked to knew Pi past 3.1415.

I think we would fare better on GPA.

Wait, so I know one more place of pi than the average WUSTL student?  That makes me feel a lot better about myself today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 18, 2015, 06:49:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 18, 2015, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 18, 2015, 06:08:00 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 18, 2015, 04:31:00 PM
I asked every student I talked to today and though my sample is relatively small and included only one athlete who is not on the basketball team, no one I talked to knew Pi past 3.1415.

I think we would fare better on GPA.

Yeah, but where's the fun in that?

And then we'd hear conspiracies about grade inflation for bballers! :o

Exactly. Put a closed-circuit camera in the UAA executive secretary's office, bring in the team captains one at a time, and let the fun begin.

It's all about competition under pressure.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2015, 10:44:02 AM
Week 2's regional rankings made an early appearance today: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/?p=2630 (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/?p=2630)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2015, 11:33:11 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2015, 10:44:02 AM
Week 2's regional rankings made an early appearance today: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/?p=2630 (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/?p=2630)

+1 Thanks Dave.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jeffjo on February 19, 2015, 01:19:07 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 18, 2015, 06:45:17 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 18, 2015, 04:31:00 PM
I asked every student I talked to today and though my sample is relatively small and included only one athlete who is not on the basketball team, no one I talked to knew Pi past 3.1415.

I think we would fare better on GPA.

Wait, so I know one more place of pi than the average WUSTL student?  That makes me feel a lot better about myself today.
I can't resist pulling up a 40 year old memorization: 3.1415926535897932384626433.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2015, 11:56:36 PM
A nice article on Nick Burt from Student Life: http://www.studlife.com/sports/athlete-profile/2015/02/19/nick-burts-transformative-season-guides-bears-offense/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 20, 2015, 02:35:12 PM
Yet another very exciting UAA weekend with three of the four games being played tonight having championship implications.  It is possible that all four games played on Sunday will have playoff implications.

I say three games tonight, but of course, Rochester (5-6) is not out of contention for the championship yet.  Seriously!

February 20th
Emory vs. Case Western Reserve
Rochester vs. Carnegie Mellon
Brandeis vs. Chicago
New York University vs. Washington University

February 22nd
Rochester vs. Case Western Reserve
Emory vs. Carnegie Mellon
Brandeis vs. Washington University
New York University vs. Chicago

The conference has only had co-champions twice, I believe, with the last occurrence in 2012-2013 when Emory, NYU and Washington University finished 10-4.  The other tie between Chicago and Washington University was in 2006-2007.

Incidentally, the 2006-2007 season was notable for the fact that both the Men and Women had co-champions.  This could easily happen again with Chicago holding a one game lead over NYU and Washington University and both teams still on their schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 21, 2015, 12:02:03 AM
Emory improves to 8-4 and takes a one game lead on the field after a 71-65 win at Case Western Reserve.  Chicago, NYU and Washington remain one game back at 7-5 after losses by both Chicago and NYU.

Emory has only Carnegie Mellon left on the road before returning home to play Rochester.

Brandeis pulled the upset tonight over Chicago.  I would not be surprised if Carnegie Mellon or Rochester engineers an upset, but I am not holding my breath.

__________

Washington University defeated NYU 97-75 in one of the most complete games the Bears have played all season.  I said that NYU could have beaten any team in the nation the way they played when the dismantled Washington University a few weeks ago.  Tonight, the reverse may be true.

Hakim Harris scored 30 and was not at all bothered by his two air balls, but he was bothered by Luke Silverman-Lloyd who, in my opinion, performed very well and may have kept him from scoring 60.   I have no idea what Harris did, but he was able to draw four fouls off Silverman-Lloyd that were not being called anywhere else on the court.

Harris was very impressive, but so was Silverman-Lloyd, David Fatoki, Nick Burt and Mitch Styczynski.  The energy level, the ball movement...  Overall, a complete team effort that also included some strong contributions from the bench.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 21, 2015, 10:56:37 AM
I agree with you, WUH...the Bears played their best all-around game of the season, especially with the higher UAA stakes on the table after a rough 2-2 road trip.  I think last night's effort topped the performance against Illinois Wesleyan, since that game was an early-season, non-conference game.

The Silverman-Lloyd/Harris matchup was a D3 guard version of the old Bill Russell vs. Wilt Chamberlain duels.  Russell was a great defensive player, but Wilt was such a height mismatch and scoring machine in his prime.  Russell was rightly praised for holding Wilt to 20-30 points, because The Stilt was regularly scoring 40, 50, 60 points and beyond.  Such was the case last night, with Silverman-Lloyd doggedly pursuing Harris all over the floor.  All but maybe one shot was contested by Luke, yet Harris was still 8-16 from the floor.  If Luke hadn't kept Harris under duress for the entire game, Harris could've picked his number to score and perhaps set a single-game UAA scoring record in the process.  That's how incredibly talented Harris is, and how good Silverman-Lloyd's defense was last night.

Nick Burt was impressive with his 8 assists and avoiding clusters of fouls that limit his playing time.  When Nick is able to stay on the floor, he gives the Bears a secondary distributor from the post and allows them to move the ball with great efficiency.  23 assists for the team in last night's game, with Fatoki again leading the way with 10.

Everybody pulled their weight and them some more last night for the Bears.  Fun to watch and broadcast.

Incidentally, after the fact I learned that NYU head coach Joe Nesci was sick at the hotel and couldn't join the team for the game.  Hope he feels better for his team's trip to Chicago...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 21, 2015, 04:33:12 PM
Thanks for the affirmation on Silverman-Lloyd.  I thought that was what I was seeing, but I did go back and forth on whether or not to mention his defensive performance against Harris.

Thanks as well for the NBA analogy.  This reminds me that I forgot to post a Student Life article from January about how you ended up as the voice of the Bears Sports Network: http://www.studlife.com/sports/2015/01/21/behind-the-microphone-sportscaster-jay-murry-brings-enthusiasm-and-balance-to-washington-university-fans/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 22, 2015, 04:00:34 PM
Emory and Washington U clinch Pool C bids while CWR plays themselves out of Pool C contention losing 5 of 6 including their last two.

NYU might be on thin ice too after losing both games this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 22, 2015, 04:18:24 PM
Here are the latest standings with just one game to go.  Emory has clinched a share of the championship and will host Rochester with a chance to win it all.

Emory University 9-4
Washington University 8-5
University of Chicago 8-5
New York University 7-6    
Case Western Reserve 6-7    
University of Rochester 6-7    
Carnegie Mellon 4-9
Brandeis University 4-9
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 22, 2015, 05:50:30 PM
Rochester 82, @ Case Western Reserve 78
@ Chicago 77, NYU 60
@ Wash U 72, Brandeis 44
Emory 75, @ Carnegie Mellon 63

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jeffjo on February 22, 2015, 06:43:43 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 22, 2015, 04:18:24 PM
Here are the latest standings with just one game to go.  Emory has clinched a share of the championship and will host Rochester with a chance to win it all.

Emory University 9-4
Washington University 8-5
University of Chicago 8-5
New York University 7-6    
Case Western Reserve 6-7    
University of Rochester 6-7    
Carnegie Mellon 4-9
Brandeis University 4-9
If I understand the tiebreakers correctly, Emory still has to win against Rochester to receive the Pool A bid. If they lose to Rochester, they will be co-champions with either WashU or Chicago. Emory loses the tiebreaker with WashU because Emory lost twice to NYU, and with Chicago because Chicago would have beaten WashU twice.

While these tie-breakers sound validated because they require beating the "better teams" more, they are equally invalidated because they require losing to the "worse teams" more.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 22, 2015, 07:14:38 PM
I thought about it for a minute and then gave up because I am unsure what happens if we have a three way tie at 7-7 if Rochester defeats Emory, Case Western Reserve defeats Carnegie Mellon and Brandeis defeats NYU.

Then we have a potential two way tie at 8-6 if Washington loses to Chicago and NYU defeats Brandeis.

Do we simply look at all the head-to-heads or do we move on to the next team in line?  Or maybe I am missing something.

Incidentally, the Field House had a great crowd on Friday, but I think the Chicago game will bring the people in for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 22, 2015, 07:27:58 PM
I checked the press release from the WUSTL SID which may have included tie breaker scenarios and I did not see anything, but it did confirm that Matt Palucki moved past Troy Ruths in career rebounds.

Ruths led the team in rebounds for three years, but overlapped for three years with Tyler Nading who is also in the Top 10, but Palucki overlapped with Chris Klimek for three seasons.  Regardless, it is an incredible feat as he will probably finish third all time in rebounds. 

Palucki also has a chance to move past Sean Wallis with 9 more points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 22, 2015, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 22, 2015, 07:14:38 PM
I thought about it for a minute and then gave up because I am unsure what happens if we have a three way tie at 7-7 if Rochester defeats Emory, Case Western Reserve defeats Carnegie Mellon and Brandeis defeats NYU.

Then we have a potential two way tie at 8-6 if Washington loses to Chicago and NYU defeats Brandeis.

Do we simply look at all the head-to-heads or do we move on to the next team in line?  Or maybe I am missing something.

Incidentally, the Field House had a great crowd on Friday, but I think the Chicago game will bring the people in for sure.

I would guess they would take the records against each other first. Team one was 3-1 against the other two and Team 2 and 3 were 2-2 against the other two teams. After Team 1 was eliminated, winning the 3-way breaker, then it would go to H2H. If they split, possibly start from top to bottom. Team 2 was 1-1 against the 1st place team and Team 3 was 0-2. Then Team 2 wins the tie breaker against team 3. Make sense?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 23, 2015, 11:54:44 AM
That must be it.

I think I'll just wait until Saturday to figure it out.  I think the safest bet in the UAA is an Emory win over Rochester at home, but who knows...Rochester continues to prove me wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 23, 2015, 12:02:29 PM
I was reading through the press release for the Rochester win over Case Western Reserve and it sounds like one wild and ultimately heartbreaking finish for the Spartans.

Matt Clark scored 18 more than his season average for 24 points including 14 in the last 1:11.  Clark was fouled from three point range with four seconds left and forced an overtime period after knocking down all three.

The Spartans had trailed by as many as 19 in the second half. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jeffjo on February 24, 2015, 11:07:46 AM
Quote from: WUH on February 22, 2015, 07:14:38 PM
I thought about it for a minute and then gave up because I am unsure what happens if we have a three way tie at 7-7 if Rochester defeats Emory, Case Western Reserve defeats Carnegie Mellon and Brandeis defeats NYU.

Then we have a potential two way tie at 8-6 if Washington loses to Chicago and NYU defeats Brandeis.

Do we simply look at all the head-to-heads or do we move on to the next team in line?  Or maybe I am missing something.
If WashU beats Chicago: Emory and WashU will be tied in the "top 2," and they split. So the first tiebreaker, head-to-head, doesn't do anything.

If NYU also wins: Emory, WashU, Chicago and NYU will constitute the "top 4." WashU is 3-3 (split all around) and Emory is 2-4 (lost twice to NYU).

If NYU loses, the second tiebreaker adds in at least Rochester, requiring at least the top 5. WashU's advantage increases to 2 games since they won 2 and Emory (would have) split. If CWRU wins, we need the top 6. Emory won twice and Wash U split, offsetting the increase from Emory. So it is the Emory-NYU record still establishes it.

+++++

If Chicago wins: they get +1 for two wins over WashU, and Emory gets -1 if NYU adds into the top 4.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 26, 2015, 06:26:55 PM
The UAA had three players named to the Capital One Academic All-America list.  No other conference had more than one.  The players were: Seth Cordts, Matt Palucki, and Jack Serbin.

http://cosida.com/documents/2015/2/24/2014_15_CapOne_D3_Basketball_Teams.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on February 27, 2015, 04:21:46 PM
Mark Edwards and Nancy Fahey made an appearance on ESPN 101.1 FM in St. Louis on Friday:

EDWARDS: http://www.101sports.com/podcasts/wash-u-mens-bball-coach-mark-edwards-tells-the-turn-why-it-is-so-easy-to-call-wash-u-home/

FAHEY: http://www.101sports.com/podcasts/wash-us-nancy-fahey-credits-her-parents-when-it-comes-to-discipline-and-her-coaching-style/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: 7express on February 27, 2015, 10:37:05 PM
Quote from: jeffjo on February 22, 2015, 06:43:43 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 22, 2015, 04:18:24 PM
Here are the latest standings with just one game to go.  Emory has clinched a share of the championship and will host Rochester with a chance to win it all.

Emory University 9-4
Washington University 8-5
University of Chicago 8-5
New York University 7-6    
Case Western Reserve 6-7    
University of Rochester 6-7    
Carnegie Mellon 4-9
Brandeis University 4-9
If I understand the tiebreakers correctly, Emory still has to win against Rochester to receive the Pool A bid. If they lose to Rochester, they will be co-champions with either WashU or Chicago. Emory loses the tiebreaker with WashU because Emory lost twice to NYU, and with Chicago because Chicago would have beaten WashU twice.

While these tie-breakers sound validated because they require beating the "better teams" more, they are equally invalidated because they require losing to the "worse teams" more.

I think it was Hoopsfan that mentioned this on another board but you should start from the bottom and work your way up for the tiebreaker.  if 2 teams tie for first with 12-2 records (1-1) vs. each other while team A lost the 7th place team and team B lost to the 3rd place team you should reward team B with the championship for losing to the better team and not the other way around.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2015, 10:42:05 PM
Quote from: 7express on February 27, 2015, 10:37:05 PM
Quote from: jeffjo on February 22, 2015, 06:43:43 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 22, 2015, 04:18:24 PM
Here are the latest standings with just one game to go.  Emory has clinched a share of the championship and will host Rochester with a chance to win it all.

Emory University 9-4
Washington University 8-5
University of Chicago 8-5
New York University 7-6    
Case Western Reserve 6-7    
University of Rochester 6-7    
Carnegie Mellon 4-9
Brandeis University 4-9
If I understand the tiebreakers correctly, Emory still has to win against Rochester to receive the Pool A bid. If they lose to Rochester, they will be co-champions with either WashU or Chicago. Emory loses the tiebreaker with WashU because Emory lost twice to NYU, and with Chicago because Chicago would have beaten WashU twice.

While these tie-breakers sound validated because they require beating the "better teams" more, they are equally invalidated because they require losing to the "worse teams" more.

I think it was Hoopsfan that mentioned this on another board but you should start from the bottom and work your way up for the tiebreaker.  if 2 teams tie for first with 12-2 records (1-1) vs. each other while team A lost the 7th place team and team B lost to the 3rd place team you should reward team B with the championship for losing to the better team and not the other way around.

On the other hand, as the Guru likes to say "it's not who you lost to, it's who you beat".
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2015, 01:41:40 AM

I was saying you work top to bottom for teams above you, first - then move to a bottom to top for teams below you.  That's what seemed most fair to me, anyway, and it wouldn't be that hard to do.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 28, 2015, 05:06:59 PM
No tiebreakers needed as Emory wins the conference with a 88-69 win over Rochester at home.  Michael Florin led all scorers with 17.  Congratulations to the Eagles.

Washington University leads Chicago 43-30 at the half while NYU leads Brandeis 52-37.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jeffjo on February 28, 2015, 05:16:08 PM
Quote from: 7express on February 27, 2015, 10:37:05 PM
I think it was Hoopsfan that mentioned this on another board but you should start from the bottom and work your way up for the tiebreaker.  if 2 teams tie for first with 12-2 records (1-1) vs. each other while team A lost the 7th place team and team B lost to the 3rd place team you should reward team B with the championship for losing to the better team and not the other way around.
Except - the first tie-breaker should be head-to-head, which implies you should start from the top. My point was that anything past this is arbitrary since, by virtue of the tie, any such set merely trades wins in what is included, for loses in what is excluded.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 28, 2015, 05:33:42 PM
Washington University is taking it to Chicago, 70-45 with nine minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on February 28, 2015, 06:00:02 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 28, 2015, 05:33:42 PM
Washington University is taking it to Chicago, 70-45 with nine minutes left.
Your Bears are taking care of business today as is UWW in the north country.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 28, 2015, 06:22:27 PM
The Washington University-Chicago game was more or less a mirror image of the first game.  The win today was every bit as big as the win by the Maroons to start the conference season. 84-67 was the final with the Bears holding a 25 point lead late in the game.

Washington University started slow, but would eventually begin to pull away, finishing strong in every statistical category.  54% shooting from the field (40% from three point range). 24 assists and a mere five turnovers. 

Very excited to see senior Kent Lacob score in double figures with three assists on Senior Day.  Great games by seniors Matt Palucki, Nick Burt and David Fatoki.  Palucki scored 15 to lead all shooters which was more than enough to move past Sean Wallis for career scoring.  Burt had 14 points and 13 rebounds.  No one in the conference works harder than Nick Burt.  Fatoki had 11 points and 10 assists and 0 turnovers. 

Mitch Styczynski barely missed scoring in double figures, but played maybe his best defensive game ever.  Luke Silverman-Lloyd continued his strong late season play.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 01, 2015, 05:44:55 AM
A look at the final UAA standings.

Emory University 10-4    
Washington University 9-5    
New York University 8-6    
University of Chicago 8-6    
Case Western Reserve 6-8    
University of Rochester 6-8    
Carnegie Mellon 5-9    
Brandeis University 4-10
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 01, 2015, 10:48:58 AM
I have a rough draft of how the UAA All-Association Team might look, but I was hesitant to post because I have three players from Washington University on the first team. 

The Bears certainly have three of the best players in the league while Emory and Chicago have more depth and balance. 

I also could not figure out what to do with Brandeis and Case Western Reserve and I am probably cheating a player or two from Carnegie Mellon.  Thoughts?

First Team:
Dane McLoughlin, Case Western Reserve
Alex Foster, Emory (Player of the Year)
Michael Florin, Emory (Defensive Player of the Year)
Evan Kupferberg, NYU
Matt Palucki, Washington University
Nick Burt, Washington University
David Fatoki, Washington University

Second Team:
Julien Person, Case Western Reserve
Jordan Smith, Chicago
Alex Voss, Chicago
Will Trawick, Emory
Hakim Harris, NYU
Costas Gontikas, NYU
Sam Borst-Smith, Rochester

Honorable Mention:
Jordan Cooper, Brandeis
Jon Powell, Brandeis
Robinson Vilmont, Brandeis
Davis Rao, Emory
Josh Schattie, Emory
Jack Serbin, Carnegie Mellon
Seth Cordts, Carnegie Mellon
Nate Brooks, Chicago
Waller Perez, Chicago
Tyler Howard, Chicago
Jimmy Holman, Case Western Reserve
Eric Black, Case Western Reserve (Rookie of the Year)
Mack Montague, Rochester
Jared Seltzer, Rochester
Luke Silverman-Lloyd, Washington University

Coaching Staff:
Emory

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 02, 2015, 05:37:17 PM
Summary of invites today:

Wash U-- NCAA Pool C bid-- hosts 1st round on Thursday.

Emory hosting a weekend pod in NCAAs.

NYU gets #3 seed in ECAC Metro tourney-- will host Rutgers-Camden on Wednesday.

Carnegie Mellon not invited to ECAC South tourney-- season over.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 02, 2015, 07:32:10 PM
Welcome back to D3boards.com!

I wish NYU had received a bid just to see what they could do in the tournament.  I am not sure if Hakim Harris has a full year of eligibility, but if he does, NYU will be dangerous next season.

I am thrilled to see Washington University get the home game even if a win means a road trip to Rock Island. 

I have not seen every team in the Emory bracket play, but I think the Eagles could go far.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 02, 2015, 11:53:46 PM
Quote from: WUH on March 01, 2015, 10:48:58 AM
I have a rough draft of how the UAA All-Association Team might look, but I was hesitant to post because I have three players from Washington University on the first team. 

The Bears certainly have three of the best players in the league while Emory and Chicago have more depth and balance. 

I also could not figure out what to do with Brandeis and Case Western Reserve and I am probably cheating a player or two from Carnegie Mellon.  Thoughts?

Yeah, the same thought I have every year: the UAA puts waaaay too many people on the All-Association team. It's about one step away from the "blue participation ribbons for everybody!" mode of postseason player recognition.

Quote from: deiscanton on March 02, 2015, 05:37:17 PM
Summary of invites today:

Wash U-- NCAA Pool C bid-- hosts 1st round on Thursday.

Emory hosting a weekend pod in NCAAs.

NYU gets #3 seed in ECAC Metro tourney-- will host Rutgers-Camden on Wednesday.

Carnegie Mellon not invited to ECAC South tourney-- season over.

Good to hear from you again, Allen!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 03, 2015, 10:33:38 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 02, 2015, 11:53:46 PM
Yeah, the same thought I have every year: the UAA puts waaaay too many people on the All-Association team. It's about one step away from the "blue participation ribbons for everybody!" mode of postseason player recognition.

I actually had that thought about the CCIW all conference team which includes more players on three teams than the the UAA has on the first and second teams. 

I would be much more excited to be on the third team than I would to be given an honorable mention.  Honorable mention, in my mind, means one did not make the team, but performed admirably.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2015, 06:14:17 PM
Quote from: WUH on March 03, 2015, 10:33:38 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 02, 2015, 11:53:46 PM
Yeah, the same thought I have every year: the UAA puts waaaay too many people on the All-Association team. It's about one step away from the "blue participation ribbons for everybody!" mode of postseason player recognition.

I actually had that thought about the CCIW all conference team which includes more players on three teams than the the UAA has on the first and second teams. 

I would be much more excited to be on the third team than I would to be given an honorable mention.  Honorable mention, in my mind, means one did not make the team, but performed admirably.

I don't read it that way at all. The way I see it, if you're on the honorable mention list, the league singled you out by naming you to a postseason honor. And that's my whole point: 29 players culled from an eight-team league is far too many.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 03, 2015, 06:19:21 PM
I just think of the CCIW HM as 'fourth team'.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 04, 2015, 12:31:10 PM
The UAA All-Association Team with 15 players making the two teams and 8 others who did not make the teams, but received honorable mentions.

http://uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/2014-15/files/14-15_MBKB_All-Assoc.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 05, 2015, 04:01:29 PM
Looks to me that all three teams (and, thus, all 24 players) are listed under the heading, "2014-15 UAA MEN'S ALL-ASSOCIATION BASKETBALL TEAM." There's two headings on that page, and the rest of the copy is listed under the first heading, "2014-15 UAA Men's Basketball Honors." It seems quite clear by this layout that the nine Honorable Mention players are considered to be part of the All-Association team.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 03, 2015, 06:19:21 PM
I just think of the CCIW HM as 'fourth team'.

What "CCIW HM," Chuck? You must be thinking of a different league.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 05, 2015, 04:22:28 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 05, 2015, 04:01:29 PM
Looks to me that all three teams (and, thus, all 24 players) are listed under the heading, "2014-15 UAA MEN'S ALL-ASSOCIATION BASKETBALL TEAM." There's two headings on that page, and the rest of the copy is listed under the first heading, "2014-15 UAA Men's Basketball Honors." It seems quite clear by this layout that the nine Honorable Mention players are considered to be part of the All-Association team.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 03, 2015, 06:19:21 PM
I just think of the CCIW HM as 'fourth team'.

What "CCIW HM," Chuck? You must be thinking of a different league.

I was recently looking at all-CCIW selections over the years - plenty were HM.  It appears that in 1987 they renamed HM as Third Team (which I had not noticed was previously not there).  The change evidently never penetrated my consciousness, but apparently there never was both a Third Team AND an HM.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 05, 2015, 05:17:31 PM
You knew I did that for you right?  The first rule of thumb in reading my posts is to never take anything I say seriously.

Though seriously, to change the honorable mention designation to a third team is a significant upgrade for the CCIW.  The standard definition of honorable mention is an acknowledgment for someone who did not win an award.

As an aside, I disagree with to the coaches who voted Nick Burt as a member of the second team.  If the voting is based on play in conference, which it was because Hakim Harris is on the first team, I disagree with the inclusion of Jordan Smith over Nick Burt.

I know...apples and oranges...different roles and different positions...I get it.  Maybe I'll explain why I think this way later.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 05, 2015, 05:28:04 PM
Quote from: WUH on March 05, 2015, 05:17:31 PM
You knew I did that for you right?  The first rule of thumb in reading my posts is to never take anything I say seriously.

Duly noted for future reference. ;)

Quote from: WUH on March 05, 2015, 05:17:31 PMThough seriously, to change the honorable mention designation to a third team is a significant upgrade for the CCIW.  The standard definition of honorable mention is an acknowledgment for someone who did not win an award.

I don't think that anyone involved with the CCIW took it that way. The players who were named "honorable mention" in the pre-'87 CCIW all got the same certificates (with different wording, of course) that the first- and second-teamers got. I don't think that they accepted your "standard definition," inasmuch as they did receive an award. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the UAA's honorable mention players receive some sort of an award, too, whether it's a certificate or something else.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 05, 2015, 04:22:28 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 05, 2015, 04:01:29 PM
Looks to me that all three teams (and, thus, all 24 players) are listed under the heading, "2014-15 UAA MEN'S ALL-ASSOCIATION BASKETBALL TEAM." There's two headings on that page, and the rest of the copy is listed under the first heading, "2014-15 UAA Men's Basketball Honors." It seems quite clear by this layout that the nine Honorable Mention players are considered to be part of the All-Association team.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 03, 2015, 06:19:21 PM
I just think of the CCIW HM as 'fourth team'.

What "CCIW HM," Chuck? You must be thinking of a different league.

I was recently looking at all-CCIW selections over the years - plenty were HM.  It appears that in 1987 they renamed HM as Third Team (which I had not noticed was previously not there).  The change evidently never penetrated my consciousness, but apparently there never was both a Third Team AND an HM.

Correct. The change for the 1986-87 season was basically nothing more than a shift in nomenclature. The only occasion when the CCIW's 5-5-5 format has been different (aside from the occasional extra player added to the team because of a tied vote, as was the case this season) was the 1971-72 season, when for some unknown reason the league tinkered with the format and had only ten players named to the team. all of whom were considered first-teamers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 06, 2015, 02:41:04 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 05, 2015, 05:28:04 PM
Duly noted for future reference.

By the way, I would like to point out that both you and I predicted early on that Emory was the class of the UAA.  They were, even if it was not by much.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 07, 2015, 07:58:44 PM
Very surprised to see Emory trailing Whitworth at the half, 40-37, but I doubt the Eagles will lose at home.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 14, 2015, 10:59:17 AM
Quote from: jeffjo on February 19, 2015, 01:19:07 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 18, 2015, 06:45:17 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 18, 2015, 04:31:00 PM
I asked every student I talked to today and though my sample is relatively small and included only one athlete who is not on the basketball team, no one I talked to knew Pi past 3.1415.

I think we would fare better on GPA.

Wait, so I know one more place of pi than the average WUSTL student?  That makes me feel a lot better about myself today.
I can't resist pulling up a 40 year old memorization: 3.1415926535897932384626433.
\\

Happy Pi Day!!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 27, 2015, 10:45:01 PM
Xavier Center was almost a Spartan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/27/sports/ncaabasketball/matt-stainbrook-drives-strangers-around-and-xavier-onward.html?_r=0
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on May 01, 2015, 09:38:23 AM
Mike McGrath is bringing in a good class at Chicago...

* Justin Jackson, 6-5 G/F (Lassister H.S., Marietta, GA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk0OImQb_aU

http://georgiahoops.com/?page_id=11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7wARfzi1uc



* Max Jacobs, 6-1 PG/SG (Millburn H.S., NJ)
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/high-school-sports/boys-basketball/millburn-high-school-boys-basketball-player-reaches-1-000-career-points-1.1273512

https://www.tapinto.net/articles/millburns-max-jacobs-commits-to-university-of-ch



* Ryan Jacobsen, 6-6 SF/PF (St. Thomas Academy H.S., Mendota Heights, MN)
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3568682/ryan-jacobsen



* Noah Karras, 6-4 SG (Lake Forest H.S., IL)
http://dailynorthshore.com/2015/01/09/arc-istry-lfs-karras-a-mega-hit-at-york/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-county-news-sun/sports/ct-lns-boys-basketball-all-area-fantastic-fifteen-st-0331-20150330-story.html#page=1



I believe Karras and Jackson are the headliners here.  I have heard Karras is a stud.  He had a Division I scholarship offer from University of Illinois-Chicago.  He is a SG with great size and can shoot the heck out of it.  Jackson, who had an offer from The Citadel, looks really talented and athletic...huge upside.

Jacobsen looks really good too.



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on August 14, 2015, 12:57:15 PM
I was curious today if Hakeem Harris, a player who has transferred three times in his career, was returning to NYU for the 2015-2016 season.  NYU has an updated roster, but Harris is no where to be found: http://www.gonyuathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball&

I thought he had at least one more semester of eligibility, if not another year.

Definitely one of the best Division III players I have seen in real life.

If he is not returning, I hope he finds a team in which to complete his career.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 14, 2015, 01:34:24 PM
He does have at least a year of eligibility left from what I was told last year... but I wouldn't necessarily trust a roster in mid-August as being the definition of whether a player is back or not. There are so many factors that could lead to no decision on his part at this point in the year. A roster and more particularly a game in November or even January will be the ultimate answer.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on August 14, 2015, 01:46:30 PM
Thanks Dave!

I am definitely not suggesting his NYU career is over, but the fact that his name is missing from the roster may indicate that he is no longer on the team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 03, 2015, 10:10:49 PM
I had heard that the Washington University Men's Basketball team was hiring a new assistant, but I definitely did not expect to see Tyler Nading return to fill the void: http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/20150903a2za3e
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 04, 2015, 09:51:52 AM
Four UAA schools will have on-campus Chipotle delivery: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/chipotle-delivery-college-campuses-fall_55e6efdde4b0b7a9633addcb?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000056
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on September 04, 2015, 10:34:02 AM
Quote from: WUH on September 03, 2015, 10:10:49 PM
I had heard that the Washington University Men's Basketball team was hiring a new assistant, but I definitely did not expect to see Tyler Nading return to fill the void: http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/20150903a2za3e

Nading was a super player.. really poured it on in the big games..  one of my favorite Wash U players

BUT... this year, Wash U... very much the least experienced group of returning players that I've ever seen for the bears.... no word on recruiting, I hope it went well
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 22, 2015, 02:14:25 PM
Quote from: hopefan on September 04, 2015, 10:34:02 AM
BUT... this year, Wash U... very much the least experienced group of returning players that I've ever seen for the bears.... no word on recruiting, I hope it went well.

I hope so too.

Are you ready to predict any SLIAC triumphs?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on September 22, 2015, 03:43:25 PM
Quote from: WUH on September 22, 2015, 02:14:25 PM
Quote from: hopefan on September 04, 2015, 10:34:02 AM
BUT... this year, Wash U... very much the least experienced group of returning players that I've ever seen for the bears.... no word on recruiting, I hope it went well.

I hope so too.

Are you ready to predict any SLIAC triumphs?

Wash U plays SLIAC members Blackburn, Spalding, Webster, and Fontbonne. I suspect if any of those has a chance it would be Spalding since that is an away game for the Bears and Spalding is likely to be the best of those four teams. Fontbonne is also and away game, but only in the sense that it is not in the Wash U  gym  :). Let's hear what hopefan thinks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on September 22, 2015, 05:21:18 PM
Tough call....  experience at lower level vs higher level players lacking game time... unfortunately, I know who I would go for, but I don't think the SLIAC teams should be looking at Wash U as a mountain unable to be climbed this year.  Would love to see a SLIAC win or two....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 08, 2015, 03:01:37 PM
Washington University is going to name Field House floor after Coach Edwards and Coach Fahey: http://bearsports.wustl.edu/general/2015-16/Edwards-FaheyCourt
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on October 10, 2015, 08:28:26 AM
I'm thinking Chicago enters 2015-16 as a top 15 caliber team.  The Maroons have a very talented nucleus...

G - Tyler Howard, 6-0 Jr
G - Jordan Smith, 6-3 Sr
F - Waller Perez, 6-5 Jr
F - Alex Voss, 6-5 Sr
F - Nate Brooks, 6-6 Sr

F - Collin Barthel, 6-8 So

Chicago took a summer trip to Australia -- that could be another big plus as they head into the season.

I have no idea what to make of Wash U.  I'm positive the Bears have a lot of talent on the roster we don't know much about yet, and that they will be good (because they always are), but they lost their 3 best players to graduation:

Matt Palucki (6-7 F) - 15.5 ppg, 7.7 rpg
Nick Burt (6-5 F) - 14.2 ppg, 7.3 rpg
David Fatoki (5-10 PG) - 13.0 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 7.6 apg
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 12, 2015, 02:17:47 PM
In my time following Washington University basketball, I have only seen one other season I would label a rebuilding season. 

In 2010, they graduated Cameron Smith, Zach Kelly, Sean Wallis, Aaron Thompson, Ross Kelley, but returned Caleb Knepper, Alex Toth, Spencer Gay the following season. 2011 saw the additions of Aboona and Cooney and the emergence of Rob Burnett.  The team did not make the postseason that year.

In 2015-2016, I believe we have two starters returning in Luke Silverman-Lloyd and Mitch Styczynski along with Matt Highsmith and Michael Bregman returning after a season ending injury last year.  Brandon Staffeil, I believe, averaged around 10 minutes per game.  Other players did see the court including Kevin Kucera who was our back-up point guard along with another senior who played limited minutes last season.  The name Michael Bregman may not currently stop traffic in Bloomington-Normal or Rock Island, but assuming that he is back, definitely a player to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 21, 2015, 01:38:40 PM
Washington University has posted the 2015-2016 roster: http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/roster

Possibly the most St. Louis area players (3) and least Illinois players (5) on the roster in the 9-10 years I have followed the team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 21, 2015, 03:29:10 PM
Quote from: WUH on August 14, 2015, 12:57:15 PM
I was curious today if Hakeem Harris, a player who has transferred three times in his career, was returning to NYU for the 2015-2016 season.  NYU has an updated roster, but Harris is no where to be found: http://www.gonyuathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball&

I thought he had at least one more semester of eligibility, if not another year.

Definitely one of the best Division III players I have seen in real life.

If he is not returning, I hope he finds a team in which to complete his career.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 14, 2015, 01:34:24 PM
He does have at least a year of eligibility left from what I was told last year... but I wouldn't necessarily trust a roster in mid-August as being the definition of whether a player is back or not. There are so many factors that could lead to no decision on his part at this point in the year. A roster and more particularly a game in November or even January will be the ultimate answer.
Quote from: WUH on August 14, 2015, 01:46:30 PM
Thanks Dave!

I am definitely not suggesting his NYU career is over, but the fact that his name is missing from the roster may indicate that he is no longer on the team.

From what I have learned... he is done playing. Apparently he has decided to graduate this semester from NYU - so he won't be playing for the team.

Sometimes, academics and life become a priority as we all well know in this division... so I applaud Hakeem Hicks for making what I am sure was a tough, but smart decision.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 21, 2015, 03:52:45 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 21, 2015, 03:29:10 PM
From what I have learned... he is done playing. Apparently he has decided to graduate this semester from NYU - so he won't be playing for the team.

Sometimes, academics and life become a priority as we all well know in this division... so I applaud Hakeem Hicks for making what I am sure was a tough, but smart decision.

Thanks so much for the update.

I guess I should be happy that both Hakeem and Royce Muskeyvalley are no longer playing, but definitely big, big losses for NYU, Chicago and the UAA.  As you said though, applause and best of luck to both.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 21, 2015, 03:55:52 PM
Out of curiosity, Dave, do you have any thoughts on Emory this season?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 21, 2015, 04:06:31 PM
I'm doing my Top 25 ballot as we speak... so I really should be off these boards in terms of writing (taking time away from the process - LOL)... but I am pretty much looking them over as I write this. So, I will promise you this: I will post my thoughts later this week along with my blog.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 21, 2015, 04:21:24 PM
Thanks Dave! I look forward to your weekly blog!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on October 21, 2015, 05:04:56 PM
Quote from: WUH on October 21, 2015, 01:38:40 PM
Washington University has posted the 2015-2016 roster: http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/roster

Possibly the most St. Louis area players (3) and least Illinois players (5) on the roster in the 9-10 years I have followed the team.

Yikes... not only do we lose the graduates, but Brandon Staffiel and Mitch Styczynski, two big men who have made positive contributions in the past, do not appear on the roster... my first thought is that they may have been 3-2 program students who opted to go elsewhere..... WUH, do you know what happened to them?...Styzynski was very good down the stretch last year... that's a huge hit....

the roster shows 8 frosh, 6 of them at 6'4" or better...  wonder if any will challenge for playing time?  Seems like spots will be wide open with only one returning player with legit varsity game experience....2 if you include Mike Bregman, who looked very athletic on the court until he got hurt....

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 21, 2015, 08:12:25 PM
Quote from: WUH on October 21, 2015, 01:38:40 PM
Washington University has posted the 2015-2016 roster: http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/roster

Possibly the most St. Louis area players (3) and least Illinois players (5) on the roster in the 9-10 years I have followed the team.

More relevant than the fact that there are only five Illinoisians is where those five are from. Only one of them is a Chicagolander, Evanston product Kevin Kucera. Chicagoland has been a bread-and-butter recruiting zone for Mark Edwards for a long time now, so the absence of any other Chicagolanders besides Kucera is glaring.

The other four from the Land of Lincoln are downstaters, three of them extreme downstaters. One's from near Springfield, one's from a small town near Centralia, and the other two are from a tiny hamlet near Carbondale. Those are the kinds of locales that you'd expect to see on a roster for a St. Louis school, as those hometowns certainly wouldn't look out of place on a Fontbonne or Webster roster. They're a little surprising for a school that recruits nationally rather than locally. It's been my observation that Wash U's always been more likely to bring in the kids from the big, high-powered suburban schools (e.g., the Chicagolanders of whom I spoke) rather than the kids from the tall corn south of I-74.

Quote from: hopefan on October 21, 2015, 05:04:56 PMYikes... not only do we lose the graduates, but Brandon Staffiel and Mitch Styczynski, two big men who have made positive contributions in the past, do not appear on the roster... my first thought is that they may have been 3-2 program students who opted to go elsewhere..... WUH, do you know what happened to them?...Styzynski was very good down the stretch last year... that's a huge hit....

Any time that there's a big man with eligibility remaining who averaged 9.2 and 4.5 while starting 26 games but who doesn't come back, that's a big loss. Staffeil averaged 9 mpg in 25 games, so on a team with only one senior his absence will be felt, too.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 21, 2015, 11:24:13 PM
Quote from: hopefan on October 21, 2015, 05:04:56 PM
Yikes... not only do we lose the graduates, but Brandon Staffiel and Mitch Styczynski, two big men who have made positive contributions in the past, do not appear on the roster... my first thought is that they may have been 3-2 program students who opted to go elsewhere...

Yikes indeed.  I missed the fact that Styczynski is not on the roster.  That is a big loss.

Incidentally, Washington University is the 2 in the 3-2 programs.  The school that other students transfer to.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 21, 2015, 11:39:15 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 21, 2015, 08:12:25 PM
More relevant than the fact that there are only five Illinoisians is where those five are from. Only one of them is a Chicagolander, Evanston product Kevin Kucera. Chicagoland has been a bread-and-butter recruiting zone for Mark Edwards for a long time now, so the absence of any other Chicagolanders besides Kucera is glaring.

Truth be told, Washington University probably has more students overall from Chicagoland than from St. Louis.  The University recruits Chicago very well.  The team had been trending downstate (outside Kankakee range) for a few years, but I have no concerns that this may affect Chicago area basketball recruiting in the short or long term.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 22, 2015, 03:17:56 PM
Quote from: WUH on October 21, 2015, 11:24:13 PM
Incidentally, Washington University is the 2 in the 3-2 programs.  The school that other students transfer to.

I was thinking the same thing. NPU's had several students move on to Wash U via the 3-2 program over the years.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on October 22, 2015, 03:45:28 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 22, 2015, 03:17:56 PM
Quote from: WUH on October 21, 2015, 11:24:13 PM
Incidentally, Washington University is the 2 in the 3-2 programs.  The school that other students transfer to.

I was thinking the same thing. NPU's had several students move on to Wash U via the 3-2 program over the years.

ok.. that makes sense... still wonder where Styczynski and Staffiel ended....Frat league?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 22, 2015, 09:53:13 PM
Per the 3-2 program... I had a teammate of mine at Goucher's who was in the 3-2 program with Hopkins. Three years at Goucher; two years at Hopkins (engineering). The cool thing about the program... he was allowed to continue playing at Goucher his fourth year despite the fact he wasn't actually on campus at Goucher that year. Just thought I would share.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on October 23, 2015, 10:17:22 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 22, 2015, 09:53:13 PM
Per the 3-2 program... I had a teammate of mine at Goucher's who was in the 3-2 program with Hopkins. Three years at Goucher; two years at Hopkins (engineering). The cool thing about the program... he was allowed to continue playing at Goucher his fourth year despite the fact he wasn't actually on campus at Goucher that year. Just thought I would share.

A Fontbonne kid did that several years ago too... went to Wash U, played at Fontbonne.... Two are leaving Fontbonne this year that are in the program, haven't heard yet whether either can or are still playing....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 23, 2015, 11:02:59 AM
I had no idea that one could do that, but for the NCAA to allow it makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 23, 2015, 12:02:50 PM
Yeah... it makes sense. They are technically still part of the school they were at for three years. My friend actually graduated with two degrees: BA from Goucher and I think a BS from Hopkins. It is only fair. It would suck to tell a student-athlete they had to change programs because of the educational program they are in.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 23, 2015, 12:11:26 PM
That is true...they are part of the other institution.  The 3-2 programs are generally a win-win for everyone, allowing students to start at institutions such as Goucher, or North Park, or Westminster which may be a much better fit culturally, academically, financially, etc.

Goucher, by the way, is a great institution.  I have a former colleague who works there now and she loves it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 23, 2015, 12:16:32 PM
My opinions of Goucher were/are mixed due to some challenges I had academically... but if I had not attended that institution, played soccer, got involved in the athletic department, etc... I wouldn't be here at D3sports. It is a lovely campus and I know the people there are good people. Things are changing with a new president and it looks like athletics for the first time in a long time is starting to get the spotlight. They are also going through a MASSIVE residential housing redo - fascinating what the plans are.

Anyway... what does your former colleague do there? Maybe I will look her up when I am on campus (about once a week LOL).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 26, 2015, 11:20:30 AM
David Fatoki is headed overseas to play basketball in Spain: http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/20151026gpg5ff

I looked to see if he could still meet up with John Di Bartolomeo, but it looks like John has moved to Israel to play for Maccabi Bazan Haifa.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 29, 2015, 11:26:49 AM
Obviously, I completely missed this when I posted previously about Di Bartolomeo, but this is awesome: http://d3hoops.com/notables/2015/10/dibartolomeo-vs-lakers
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on October 31, 2015, 09:05:40 AM
Just saw this tweet from a couple weeks ago...

Joe Henricksen ‏@joehoopsreport  Oct 16
Another big time Division III pick-up for Univ. of Chicago as Deerfield PG Jordan Baum & his 35 ACT headed to Maroons.


Baum is a 6-4 point guard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpD4BMuDUbk

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2015, 11:28:53 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on October 31, 2015, 09:05:40 AM
Just saw this tweet from a couple weeks ago...

Joe Henricksen ‏@joehoopsreport  Oct 16
Another big time Division III pick-up for Univ. of Chicago as Deerfield PG Jordan Baum & his 35 ACT headed to Maroons.


Baum is a 6-4 point guard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpD4BMuDUbk

Aww crap. He's definitely getting in. Hope he doesn't take my daughter's spot. She applied early to U of C.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 02, 2015, 12:55:27 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2015, 11:28:53 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on October 31, 2015, 09:05:40 AM
Just saw this tweet from a couple weeks ago...

Joe Henricksen ‏@joehoopsreport  Oct 16
Another big time Division III pick-up for Univ. of Chicago as Deerfield PG Jordan Baum & his 35 ACT headed to Maroons.


Baum is a 6-4 point guard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpD4BMuDUbk

Aww crap. He's definitely getting in. Hope he doesn't take my daughter's spot. She applied early to U of C.

So, how good a PG is your daughter?! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2015, 08:01:48 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 02, 2015, 12:55:27 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2015, 11:28:53 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on October 31, 2015, 09:05:40 AM
Just saw this tweet from a couple weeks ago...

Joe Henricksen ‏@joehoopsreport  Oct 16
Another big time Division III pick-up for Univ. of Chicago as Deerfield PG Jordan Baum & his 35 ACT headed to Maroons.


Baum is a 6-4 point guard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpD4BMuDUbk

Aww crap. He's definitely getting in. Hope he doesn't take my daughter's spot. She applied early to U of C.

So, how good a PG is your daughter?! ;D

If PG stands for point guard, not good at all. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 02, 2015, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2015, 11:28:53 PM
Aww crap. He's definitely getting in. Hope he doesn't take my daughter's spot. She applied early to U of C.

If it does not work out, she can always go to Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on November 06, 2015, 10:00:16 AM
Quote from: jaybird44 on November 06, 2015, 01:20:46 AM
Wash-U looked good in its scrimmage with Millikin last Saturday.  3 20-minute sessions, and the Bears won the first two 81-56.

One of the concerns is who will step up for the departed Styzcsnski and Staffeil.  David Schmelter and Andrew Sanders looked very good inside the paint.  The other area of interest will be how the point guard position will be manned after the graduation of David Fatoki.  That, too, looked good with Kevin Kucera and Jake Knupp ably running the offense.

The best sight of all was the return of Michael Bregman after he missed basically the 2nd half of last season with a broken leg.  Didn't know if he would ever play again following that injury...

First regular season game I'll be seeing is Blackburn at Wash U next Saturday... I'm as anxious to see all these new faces (or nearly new) for Wash U as I am to see Blackburn (being a big SLIAC fan)....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 06, 2015, 04:53:52 PM
Any thoughts on Washington Women's Basketball team, Jay?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on November 06, 2015, 07:02:07 PM
There are returnees at the guard and small forward, and center positions to help ease the transition from the graduated Melissa Gilkey, Alyssa Johanson, and Maddy Scheppers.  Jordan Thompson, Katybeth Biewen, Ereka Hunt, Natalie Orr, Amanda Martinez, and Paige Naig all are back.  Coach Fahey has not set her roster yet for the upcoming season, and I have not been to a practice.  I hope to watch one in the coming days, to see if there are any newcomers that are promising.

I would say that without any newcomers, the Bears can compete for the UAA crown and get into the dance.  Whether they get farther than that depend on the returnees like Orr and Hunt increasing their scoring with more minutes, and if they can get points collectively from the post, that came singularly from Gilkey last season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 10, 2015, 05:25:34 PM
Quote from: WUH on November 02, 2015, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2015, 11:28:53 PM
Aww crap. He's definitely getting in. Hope he doesn't take my daughter's spot. She applied early to U of C.

If it does not work out, she can always go to Emory.

Or CWRU!

;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 10, 2015, 05:26:40 PM
OK.  So basketball season is coming soon.

What is the buzz concerning UAA predictions this pre-season?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 10, 2015, 11:26:53 PM
Pre-season buzz...hmmm...no coaches poll, that is weird.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 10, 2015, 11:28:02 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on November 06, 2015, 07:02:07 PM
There are returnees at the guard and small forward, and center positions to help ease the transition from the graduated Melissa Gilkey, Alyssa Johanson, and Maddy Scheppers.  Jordan Thompson, Katybeth Biewen, Ereka Hunt, Natalie Orr, Amanda Martinez, and Paige Naig all are back.  Coach Fahey has not set her roster yet for the upcoming season, and I have not been to a practice.  I hope to watch one in the coming days, to see if there are any newcomers that are promising.

I would say that without any newcomers, the Bears can compete for the UAA crown and get into the dance.  Whether they get farther than that depend on the returnees like Orr and Hunt increasing their scoring with more minutes, and if they can get points collectively from the post, that came singularly from Gilkey last season.

Thanks for this.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 12, 2015, 11:18:52 AM
I know this is off-topic, but hey...

The UAA is very well represented in the Men's and Women's Soccer tournaments along with Women's Volleyball. 

The Washington University Women's Volleyball team is back after poaching the University of Chicago coach a few years ago, but despite the No. 1 ranking, they are headed to California to play in the volleyball version of a group of death: http://www.studlife.com/sports/womens-volleyball/2015/11/12/group-of-death-bodes-tough-ncaa-challenge-for-volleyball/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 14, 2015, 10:33:20 PM
Washington University defeats Blackburn at home, 90-60. 

Andrew Sanders led the way in scoring with 17 points in just 15 minutes.  Matt Highsmith and Luke Silverman-Lloyd both scored 12 points.  Kevin Kucera finished with 8 points and 8 assists in his first ever start.

Tonight was a good opportunity to see a few freshmen in action including Matt Galik and and Blue Springs South product Marcus Meyer. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 17, 2015, 11:16:14 AM
The UAA finally release the 2015-2016 Coaches Poll and the coaches have ranked the men as follows:

Chicago (6)
NYU (1)
Emory
Washington University
Rochester
CWRU
Brandeis
Carnegie Mellon

Only seven first place votes were cast, so it seems safe to assume that one coach was late in returning his ballot and the conference finally gave up and published the rankings.

The first and last place teams are probably correct, though I would have Emory north of NYU.  Who knows about the other four teams?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2015, 02:12:31 PM

When was the last time WashU was that low in the preseason poll?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 20, 2015, 10:21:24 AM
The 32nd Annual Lopata Classic tips off tonight at Washington University.

Friday
6 pm – DePauw (1-0) vs. Johns Hopkins (0-1)
8 pm – Pomona-Pitzer (0-0) vs. WashU (1-0)

Saturday
6 pm – Third-Place Game
8 pm – Championship Game

Johns Hopkins returns to the Field House for the first time, I believe, since leaving the nerdy nine.  Pomona-Pitzer, on the other hand, seems to play here every other year though I know it is not that often.

For more information:
http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/20151118f6jxcv
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 20, 2015, 11:56:06 PM
Emory lost tonight No. 4 St. Thomas 82-70.  Will Trawick finished with 27 points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 21, 2015, 12:00:42 AM
Washington University easily dispatched of Pomona-Pitzer tonight winning 87-65 in a game that was not that close.  For a team that lost four starters, in the two games so far, the Bears have had no problem scoring. 

Lots of positives with the only negative being rebounds as Pomona-Pitzer was +15.  Jake Knupp led all scorers with 16 points in a quick 18 minutes.  Bregman, Highsmith and Kucera also scored in double figures.  Clinton Hooks only scored 9, but he certainly had his best game to date, doing a little bit of everything tonight.

We will have a UAA reunion tomorrow as Washington University takes on Johns Hopkins in the championship game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2015, 01:30:31 PM
Quote from: WUH on November 20, 2015, 11:56:06 PM
Emory lost tonight No. 4 St. Thomas 82-70.  Will Trawick finished with 27 points.

St. Thomas started out 12-0; Emory had to work back.  Similar thing happened to start the second half.  They're two pretty evenly matched teams.  St. Thomas is better, but if Emory can figure out their new roles this year without Foster, they might be more equal by the end of the season.  What impressed me is that the Tommies seemed very much fully formed already.  It didn't look like a November team out there.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 21, 2015, 09:50:52 PM
Washington University leads Johns Hopkins 37-32 at the half after leading by as many as 13.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2015, 10:15:05 PM

Stevenson started the game against Emory with only ten healthy players, but dominated early, up 23-7 at one point and 38-21 until Emory rallied to take the halftime lead 41-38 (yes, a 20-0 run to close out the opener).  Neck and neck here in the second half.  I have a hard time believing Emory won't pull it out - they're bigger, stronger, and deeper.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 21, 2015, 10:45:09 PM
Washington University defeats Johns Hopkins 78-62.  Lopate Classic champions yet again.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 21, 2015, 11:30:11 PM
Washington University played remarkably well against Johns Hopkins tonight. 

The Blue Jays played without Ryan Curran who led the team in scoring last night, but nonetheless, in my opinion, they are a very good team.  Their defense in particular, held the Bears in check for two or three stretches.

This was definitely one of those games that will pay dividends later on for Washington University.  Lots of positives including four guys in double figures and 48 rebounds.  Sanders may have had 10 rebounds in one possession.  That dude gave it all tonight as did Kucera, Schmelter, Hooks along with everyone else.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: 7express on November 22, 2015, 02:16:31 AM
Brandeis has looked pretty good so far.  Granted this RIC team who only has like 3 upper classman on the roster (1 of whom is out injured) is light years away from the Bob Walsh coached RIC teams who were perennial NCAA tourney participants and 20 game winners, but to beat them down as much and as bad as they did today says a lot about them.  They'll be a tough out (especially at home against Wash U, Chicago & Emory the teams that really have to travel to get out to Waltham).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 23, 2015, 01:17:00 AM
CWRU is off to a decent start. 

However, the conference slate has always proven to be too much for them.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on November 23, 2015, 01:17:30 AM
CWRU is off to a decent start. 

However, the conference slate has always proven to be too much for them.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 24, 2015, 12:04:02 PM
I got a chance to sit down with Emory coach Jason Zimmerman at the Hoopsville National Invitational Classic this past weekend. Check out his interview and the rest of the Hoopsville Coach's Corner (which substituted for this Sunday's show) here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/coachs-corner (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/coachs-corner)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 29, 2015, 03:48:29 PM
Washington University is leading Hanover College 32-26 midway through what has so far been a slog comparable to a Sunday game in the UAA. Low energy, inconsistent officiating...

Emory trails LaGrange College 80-76 with just a few minutes left in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 29, 2015, 04:16:46 PM
Emory falls to LaGrange College 91-86 after losing to Maryville College 91-67 on Friday.  The Eagles had the game tied 86-86 in the final minute and could have had the final shot down one, but could not inbound the ball.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 29, 2015, 04:20:24 PM
I have not seen a game in which an official has not counted down for the five second closely guarded violation. Old habits die hard.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 29, 2015, 04:43:52 PM
Washington University holds on to defeat Hanover 84-64.

The Bears shot 10-20 from three point range and 50% from the field overall.  Andrew Sanders led the way with 20 points including two three pointers.  Kucera, Hooks and Silverman-Lloyd also scored in double figures.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 04, 2015, 09:59:44 AM
The story of a Washington University professor who wrote a paper using economic modeling to predict the economic collapse of the Star Wars galaxy after the destruction of both death stars made the rounds this week, but it may be worth mentioning here because this professor happens to be first Washington University student ever to declare for the NBA draft.

The original story of the draft campaign by the then student was chronicled by our student newspaper here: http://www.studlife.com/archives/Sports/2008/07/03/wuengineerentersnbadraft/

No, he did not play varsity basketball while a student.

Incidentally, that story did inspire a few copy cat campaigns including three former basketball players: http://www.studlife.com/sports/mens-basketball/2012/03/29/basketball-trio-declares-for-nba-draft/

Star Wars story: https://news.wustl.edu/news/Pages/Star-Wars-economics.aspx
NBA draft campaign: http://draftfeinstein.com/

Another day in the Egghead Eight conference.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 05, 2015, 05:12:46 PM
Brandeis moved to 4-2 on the season after falling to No. 11 Babson College 75-65.  Brandeis kept pace with Babson in the first half, and for stretches in the second, but the Beavers pulled away late.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2015, 12:45:03 AM
Tough day for the conference as four of the five teams in action today lose. 

Only Chicago managed to win today with a 75-63 win over a winless Kalamazoo. 

Brandeis, Case Western and Rochester all lost at home while Washington University lost on the road at Illinois Wesleyan by 10.
__________

As for Washington University vs. Illinois Wesleyan, for whatever reason, the good guys did not play David Schmelter and Michael Bregman.  Schmelter has averaged 9 points and 5 rebounds per game and at 6'9 would have added much needed size.  Michael Bregman has not had the season I expected, but if he is playing, I think he can change that.

Not sure why they did not play, but both would have been incredibly useful with both Andrew Sanders and Matt Highsmith picking up two fouls early.  Instead, they had to use Peter Lasowski and freshman Marcus Meyer for 10 and 14 minutes.  Incidentally, I think Marcus Meyer has a big upside, and he comes from a winning program, but he is definitely not there yet.

I did not get to see the entire game tonight, but based on what I have seen for the season, I do think this season will be more 2010-2011 than 2014-2015.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2015, 02:00:11 AM
Quote from: WUH on December 06, 2015, 12:45:03 AM
Tough day for the conference as four of the five teams in action today lose. 

Only Chicago managed to win today with a 75-63 win over a winless Kalamazoo. 

Brandeis, Case Western and Rochester all lost at home while Washington University lost on the road at Illinois Wesleyan by 10.
__________

As for Washington University vs. Illinois Wesleyan, for whatever reason, the good guys did not play David Schmelter and Michael Bregman.  Schmelter has averaged 9 points and 5 rebounds per game and at 6'9 would have added much needed size.  Michael Bregman has not had the season I expected, but if he is playing, I think he can change that.

Not sure why they did not play, but both would have been incredibly useful with both Andrew Sanders and Matt Highsmith picking up two fouls early.  Instead, they had to use Peter Lasowski and freshman Marcus Meyer for 10 and 14 minutes.  Incidentally, I think Marcus Meyer has a big upside, and he comes from a winning program, but he is definitely not there yet.

I did not get to see the entire game tonight, but based on what I have seen for the season, I do think this season will be more 2010-2011 than 2014-2015.

Hey, we couldn't play them, since they go to WashU. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on December 06, 2015, 09:38:43 AM
Quote from: WUH on December 06, 2015, 12:45:03 AM
As for Washington University vs. Illinois Wesleyan, for whatever reason, the good guys did not play David Schmelter and Michael Bregman.  Schmelter has averaged 9 points and 5 rebounds per game and at 6'9 would have added much needed size.  Michael Bregman has not had the season I expected, but if he is playing, I think he can change that.

http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/basketball/men/washington-u-to-put-titans-defense-to-the-test/article_2fde1fc7-ec88-52eb-a837-897abbb2e83a.html

"David Schmelter, a 6-9 sophomore averaging 8.4 points and 5.4 rebounds, is out with mononucleosis, according to Edwards."
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2015, 06:54:16 PM
Teams are finally settling into the season, but that doesn't mean things have gotten easier. Tonight on Hoopsville, Dave returns from the Wendy's Classic where he talked to those who helped wrap up the historic tournament. He also chats with those showing heir strength early in the campaign and pulling off upsets.

Hoopsville hits the air at 7PM ET! www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/dec6 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/dec6)

Guests include (in order):

- Guy Kalland, Carleton men's coach
- Bob Quillman, Central Region Reporter
- Jimmy Smith, Texas Lutheran men's coach
- Anthony Ewing, No. 10 Univ. of New England women's coach
- Scott Hemer, SUNY Geneseo women's coach
- Luke Flockerzi, Rochester men's coach
- J.C. DeLass, East Region Reporter

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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 07, 2015, 10:08:19 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on December 06, 2015, 09:38:43 AM
http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/basketball/men/washington-u-to-put-titans-defense-to-the-test/article_2fde1fc7-ec88-52eb-a837-897abbb2e83a.html

"David Schmelter, a 6-9 sophomore averaging 8.4 points and 5.4 rebounds, is out with mononucleosis, according to Edwards."

Thanks for sharing.

That is not good news for however long it takes for David Schmelter to return to full form.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 09, 2015, 09:54:50 PM
Note to self: do not talk about the Augustana game until the Webster game has been played.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 10, 2015, 12:59:49 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 09, 2015, 09:54:50 PM
Note to self: do not talk about the Augustana game until the Webster game has been played.

You are now free to talk about the Augustana game.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on December 10, 2015, 11:09:18 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 09, 2015, 09:54:50 PM
Note to self: do not talk about the Augustana game until the Webster game has been played.
Self: note - do not read the WIAC board; Auggie's 20+ point wins over three WIAC teams will just have you talking to --- your self!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 11, 2015, 10:50:27 AM
Quote from: iwumichigander on December 10, 2015, 11:09:18 PM
Self: note - do not read the WIAC board; Auggie's 20+ point wins over three WIAC teams will just have you talking to --- your self!

+1 That is very good advice.

I am excited about the game as it will be against a team that is significantly better than anyone else we will play in the conference.  And, I was already chalking this up as a rebuilding year, so if the team plays relatively well and loses by +20, well, it will not be the end of the world.

I'll be at the game with a host of Augustana alumni plan to make me pay for my bragging from the last time Augustana played at Washington University.  Augustana was ranked No. 1 at the time, but the Bears played what was one of their best games of the season and pulled the upset.  Maybe they were No. 2 or No. 3, but I do not think they made the tourney that season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 13, 2015, 01:39:01 AM
Augustana 70
Washington University 67

Washington University almost pulled the upset over No. 1 Augustana in a game that went down to the wire.

It goes without saying that this was a good result even if it i did not go our way.

Our defense was strong tonight.  The Bears forced Augustana to take a lot of tough shots.  The Vikings made a lot of those tough shots, but they still shot significantly below their season average (42% from the field, 29% from three point range).

Our No. 14 had scored more than Hunter Hill, also wearing No. 14, until the final Augustana possession.  Clinton Hooks had a career game and tied Hunter Hill for a game high 20 points.  He also pulled down six rebounds.  Hooks is the man.

Andrew Sanders scored 13 while picking up 2 fouls in 38 minutes.  Sanders has struggled with foul trouble and played only 17 minutes in the loss last Saturday, but played well tonight.

Washington University had a few scoring droughts including a seven minute stretch in the second half in which they only scored 2 points.  The first five minutes of the game were brutal.

They did not shoot particularly well from three point range (4-15) or from the free throw line (9-16) and had 14 turnovers including two passes that were picked off in the final minute or so.

The box score suggests that over 1,000 people were in attendance tonight.  Student support was strong considering that we are entering week two of final exams.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 13, 2015, 11:09:12 AM
Hooks is playing well to start the season.  He will be essential to Wash-U's UAA success from beyond the arc, as Luke Silverman-Lloyd is facing teams that are blanketing him pretty well.  Kevin Kucera may have to take a few more 3s to loosen things up for Luke.

Felt really bad for Luke and the Bears when he splashed what would've been a game-tying 3 in the final minute, except a foul was called on the Augie player guarding Kucera...who delivered the pass to Luke.  Not arguing the call--thought there was a foul.  Just a bad break for Wash-U that desperately needed a good break late in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 13, 2015, 05:37:39 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on December 13, 2015, 11:09:12 AM
Hooks is playing well to start the season.  He will be essential to Wash-U's UAA success from beyond the arc, as Luke Silverman-Lloyd is facing teams that are blanketing him pretty well.  Kevin Kucera may have to take a few more 3s to loosen things up for Luke.

Hooks needs to improve his passing.  He was turned over 5 times last night and 5 times against Illinois Wesleyan with two or three more kicked balls.

Hooks had one of the passes that was picked off late along with Luke Silverman-LLoyd who otherwise played a good game.  After rebounding Straughter, I believe, on the defensive end, the way Luke juked Straughter was so perfect it deserves to be memorialized as a GIF.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 14, 2015, 10:11:40 AM
I agree with your assessment.  Augie's quickness had a lot to do with that, too.  Hooks, IMO, is playing with much more control in a starting role.  If he continues his maturation, Hooks will probably cut down his errant passes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 14, 2015, 03:04:33 PM
I do think you are right about the passing. 

It is probably unfair to compare Hooks to his predecessor who played much more as a freshman and sophomore, but so far, he really does have all the versatility one would expect from the role.  And, so far on the season: 12 points per game and 5 rebounds.

I also think you are right about Kucera who has taken just a handful of shots from three point range over the past week.

Incidentally, you probably talk about this on the broadcast, but how about the play of Kevin Kucera so far?  He played very little last season, but so far on the season, he ranks 31st nationally on assists per game and 27th nationally on assist to turnovers.  10 points per game or so.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 28, 2015, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 16, 2014, 10:54:52 AM
The UAA is 46-19 after the first month or so of non-conference play with 1-3 games left for each squad before league play begins.

In 2013, I had suggested that in my time following the conference, I did not remember seeing the top 4 teams rank so low and the bottom 4 teams rank so high.  The final rankings were closer to the norm, but it was definitely interesting to see this early in the season.

The 2014 Massey Ratings have the top 6 teams in the top 100 rankings which is great to see.

December 2013
No. 20 Washington U. 6-2
No. 36 Emory 6-3   
No. 64 Carnegie Mellon 5-1
No. 76 New York University 6-1
No. 88 Brandeis 6-3
No. 109 Chicago 5-4
No. 127 Case Western Reserve 5-1
No. 144 Rochester 5-5

December 2014
No. 1 Washington University 10-0
No. 20 Emory 7-1   
No. 40 Chicago 6-3
No. 41 Carnegie Mellon 7-0
No. 69 Case Western Reserve 4-3
No. 100 New York University 4-2
No. 140 Brandeis 3-5
No. 172 Rochester 4-6

A cursory glance at Massey for the conference so far this season with a look back at the past two seasons.

The UAA is currently 46-20 with 1-4 games left for each team before conference play begins.

December 2015
No. 13 Chicago 8-2
No. 23 Washington University 7-2
No. 32 New York University 5-0
No. 43 Emory 6-3   
No. 105 Case Western Reserve 6-1
No. 125 Brandeis 5-3
No. 127 Carnegie Mellon 7-0
No. 166 Rochester 6-4
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2015, 05:07:19 PM
Washington University leads Centre College, 41-29 at the half.

The Colonels led early before the Bears went on a 10-2 run or something like that.  No audio and no live stats have made this game hard to follow.  Not to mention the fact that I am at work.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 29, 2015, 05:28:57 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 29, 2015, 05:07:19 PM
Washington University leads Centre College, 41-29 at the half.

The Colonels led early before the Bears went on a 10-2 run or something like that.  No audio and no live stats have made this game hard to follow.  Not to mention the fact that I am at work.

Watching now. Bears fell asleep on an inbounds play under their basket (i.e. the one they wee defending) resulting in a pass to a wide open Centre player in the corner who drains a 3. Coach Edwards calls time. Not sure I've ever seen a Wash U team be that unaware.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2015, 05:37:32 PM
The Bears had a almost-perfect defensive possession until the guards switched and a player left his man wide open at the three point line with the shot clock certainly almost down to zero.

Bears lead 61-55 at some point in the second half after Colonels closed the gap to within two.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2015, 05:40:46 PM
I know there is no audio, but I can almost hear those Highsmith mid-range jumpers splash.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2015, 06:01:32 PM
Washington University holds on to defeat Centre College, 75-67.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 29, 2015, 06:14:15 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 29, 2015, 05:40:46 PM
I know there is no audio, but I can almost hear those Highsmith mid-range jumpers splash.

He made three or four hoops in a fairly short time when the lead had gotten down to 2 points. That plus some much needed defensive stops in that same stretch of the game built the lead back up. Centre was a good team. Great, quick passing finding open guys.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 30, 2015, 11:05:10 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on December 29, 2015, 06:14:15 PM
He made three or four hoops in a fairly short time when the lead had gotten down to 2 points. That plus some much needed defensive stops in that same stretch of the game built the lead back up. Centre was a good team. Great, quick passing finding open guys.

I did not get to watch the entire game because, but I thought Centre played a good game. 

The Washington University starters may have played their best games of the season.  They had struggled from three point range lately, but shot 40% last night with Hooks and Silverman-Lloyd shooting 50%.  Coach Edwards used the bench sparingly, going with David Schmelter, Jake Knupp and Sasha Sobolev.  It was great to see Schmelter back in after being out since mid-December.

Washington University plays Wittenberg tonight at 6:00 pm.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 30, 2015, 01:39:26 PM
I watched the 2nd half and thought the Bears played well against a good team that had good ball movement that created some open looks from 3.  Rebounding picked up after Centre closed within 2, and there were a couple of steals executed without fouls that helped the defensive effort.

Looking at the short bench that Coach Edwards used...that might be the trend entering UAA play.  Getting Schmelter back is huge (literally and figuratively) because that extends the bench one more person.  There hasn't been a lot of reserves that have stepped up to get into the substitution mix, enough to garner playing time.  We'll see if a couple of players emerge to bolster the bench...that would be welcome in UAA play, especially against teams like Chicago and Emory who are athletic and like to push the ball up and spot up for 3s.  Need fresh legs to chase them down.

WUH, regarding your question of Kucera and his play this season...I agree with you, he has played very well considering the shoes of David Fatoki's that he had to fill.  Kucera has run the offense with efficiency...a bit of a surprise for a new starting point guard.  But, the JV program continues to pay big dividends--new starters like Kucera and Andrew Sanders have especially benefitted from extensive JV time, to where they could be plugged in to the starting lineup this season after very little playing time last season.  The Wash-U JV minutes were not frivolous--Edwards, Caleb Lawson, and Will Carey have done excellent work grooming JV players for prime time.  Certainly helps minimize the damage from the graduation of key seniors over the past couple of seasons.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 30, 2015, 05:17:23 PM
According to the Carnegie Mellon Twitter feed, the Tartans just defeated No. 13 Franklin and Marshall.  I am not surprised by the upset, but I am surprised by the final score of 74-54.  Go Tartans!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 30, 2015, 07:45:40 PM
Washington University trails Wittenberg 34-31 at the half.  The Bears had yet another slow start, shooting 0-7 from three point range to start the game before eventually going 3-13.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 30, 2015, 08:18:03 PM
Wittenberg leads Washington University, 52-49 with six minutes left.  Wittenberg is +6 on offensive boards so far and has contested a few others that went out of bounds off the Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 30, 2015, 08:23:15 PM
Wittenberg scores 7 unanswered points to push the lead to 10.  4 minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 30, 2015, 08:43:31 PM
Washington University falls to Wittenberg 72-61 in what was generally a good game, but Wittenberg was +10 on the boards.  Washington University did not shoot particularly shooting 36% from the floor and 5-24 (21%) from three point range.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 30, 2015, 10:18:20 PM
Wittenberg played very good defense, IMO...Wash-U didn't have very many good looks at the basket, at least in the 2nd half when I was tuned in.  A telling stat along with the rebounding was the Bears' 12 assists...about 4 or 5 below their norm.  Witt did a very good job of gumming up the works of Wash-U's offense flow.  No open back-door cuts or many openings down the lane.

Disappointing loss, but the tournament was a good one for Wash-U to play.  Two good opponents that helped illuminate the shortcomings that can be addressed before Chicago comes calling Jan. 9 to start UAA play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 07, 2016, 03:34:33 PM
The UAA has almost finished the non-conference season with only NYU left to play their usual week one game against Hunter.  The UAA record is currently 60-26.  Massey suggests that the UAA is the third best conference overall.

Emory, NYU, Washington University and Case Western Reserve will host this Saturday.

Both Chicago and Washington University won easily at home a season ago.  This may be the biggest game of the season if Washington University wants to have a shot at the conference championship.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 09, 2016, 03:28:38 PM
Emory defeats Rochester 78-75 after leading by 10 with less than two minutes left in the game.  Good game in Atlanta to kick-off UAA play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 09, 2016, 04:42:34 PM
Chicago leads Washington University at the half 37-26.  The Bears off to another slow start and poor three point shooting, but respect to Chicago for allowing very few opportunities.

David Schmelter is clearly 100 percent considering the way he is banging with Crawford and Nate Brooks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 09, 2016, 04:59:19 PM

NYU comes back to beat Brandeis by 2.  NYU trailed the whole game at home.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 09, 2016, 05:03:37 PM
Despite the Division I prospect notoriety,  the baddest front court combo on the court today is Schmelter and Highsmith and it is not even close.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 09, 2016, 05:31:33 PM
Baddest No. 24 on the court today is...wait for it...Jake Knupp.

CORRECTION: Jake Knupp is No. 23 and No. 24 Jordan Smith was the man today with 23 points including a clutch three pointer off a Brooks screen to give the Maroons the lead and ultimately the win.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 09, 2016, 05:39:58 PM
Wow. Quite a finish. I would've called a timeout if I was Wash U after the Smith trey once the ball crossed the midline, but it's oh-so-easy to armchair-quarterback it while watching it online hundreds of miles away.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 09, 2016, 06:12:49 PM
Chicago with the heartbreaker over Washington University, 70-69.

For the second game in a row, Washington University could not overcome a dreadfully slow start.  The Bears battled back from an 18 point deficit to lead by two points with 22 seconds left, but let Jordan Smith get a great look off a ball screen for the three and then, rather than calling a time out as mentioned, and with only 11 seconds left, they failed to execute what had been working well down the stretch.

Jake Knupp had his career best game by far, coming on as point guard after Kevin Kucera moved over to cover for Luke Silverman-Lloyd who seemed to go out with an injury.  Knupp went 8-14 from the field en route to scoring 18 points.  He was also was by far the most capable of guarding Jordan Smith.

David Schmelter played a beastly 28 minutes in what was probably his best game even if the stats did not show it.  Washington University is last in the UAA in rebounding margin and rebounds, but Washington University was +9 today thanks in part to 11 rebounds by Schmelter.  Moreover, Schmelter held Brooks and Crawford to a combined one field goal and five points.

Perimeter shooting and defense was definitely the difference today as the Maroons went 9-23 vs. 4-17.  The Maroons also did a good covering Andrew Sanders who disappeared at time during his 20 minutes on the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 15, 2016, 02:08:30 PM
Case Western Reserve (1-0) and Carnegie host Washington University and Chicago (1-0) while NYU (1-0) and Brandeis host Emory (1-0) and Rochester to start week two of conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 15, 2016, 08:52:45 PM
Carnegie Mellon leads Chicago at the half 33-32.

Washington University leads Case Western Reserve at the half 51-43.  The Bears are shooting 53% from the perimeter behind the shooting of Luke Silverman-Lloyd who leads all scorers with 18.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 15, 2016, 10:13:19 PM
Chicago over Carnegie Mellon 70-68
Emory over NYU 71-64
Rochester over Brandeis 77-53
Washington University over Case Western Reserve 96-80

A great game in Cleveland tonight with big time performances from Andrew Sanders, Luke Silverman-Lloyd, David Schmelter, Jimmy Holman, Matt Clark, and David Black.

Sanders led all scorers with 26 while Silverman-Lloyd scored 24 and was on fire from downtown going 7-8.  Sanders also finished with a game 12 rebounds.

Excited to see the Bears out rebound their opponent for the second straight game (+5).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 15, 2016, 10:26:00 PM
Schmelter's strengthening presence inside is paying dividends for both Sanders and Silverman-Lloyd.  Both are getting more room to operate inside and outside the arc.  Great response by the Bears after the tough loss to Chicago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2016, 12:54:12 PM
Washington University overcomes a 13 point deficit with a 57 point second half effort to get the Sunday road win, 92-84 over a very good Carnegie Mellon team. Kucera!

I have a bold prediction for next season: the Bears return four players who end up being the best front court by far in the UAA and one of the best in the nation. This prediction hinges on the play of Marcus Meyer who did nothing but win in high school.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2016, 12:57:21 PM
Brandeis is about to upset Emory in OT.

Case Western leads Chicago early in the second.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2016, 01:00:21 PM
Brandeis upsets Emory 76-68.

The UAA is going to be a lot of fun this season.  Can the University of Chicago stay above the fray?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 17, 2016, 03:23:34 PM
Chicago caught host Case Western Reserve four and a half minutes into the second half and then pulled away, beating the Spartans by a score of 116-100. Each team had five players in double figures, with Jordan Smith leading the Maroons with 26 and Javier Alvarez pacing CWRU with 20 off the bench.

Chicago remains in sole possession of first place in the UAA with a 3-0 record. It should be noted that the Maroons, who are 12-2 overall, have won all three of those initial UAA games on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 17, 2016, 03:52:01 PM
Patience and poise helped Wash-U turn the 13-point deficit at halftime, into a 2nd half surge to gain a road victory. Defense held Carnegie to 38% shooting and forced 12 turnovers, and the Bears shot 58% and outscored the Tartans 19-12 at the free throw line.  Didn't try to rush back into the game--had a methodical march back helped by Carnegie's foul troubles with Jack Serbin and Chris Shkil needing time off the floor.  Their absence for a stretch around the midway point of the 2nd half allowed Wash-U to finish the comeback and take a lead that it would not relinquish.

Agree with WUH regarding Kucera (15 of 21 points in 2nd half and 6 much-needed rebounds), and the bright prospects of having Matt Highsmith, David Schmelter and Marcus Meyer as a most-imposing front court for a couple more seasons.  The presence of Schmelter and/or Meyer close to the basket has a positive ripple effect that opens up the scoring for Sanders and Highsmith inside the arc, and for Luke Silverman-Lloyd behind the arc. For a few minutes today, both Schmelter and Meyer were on the floor at the same time...helped gain a rebounding stalemate vs. Carnegie Mellon.

A very good weekend for the Wash-U men, especially in light of Chicago's performances on the road.  Need to build more momentum with a couple of home games coming up this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 18, 2016, 02:59:46 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on January 17, 2016, 03:52:01 PMPatience and poise helped Wash-U turn the 13-point deficit at halftime, into a 2nd half surge to gain a road victory. Defense held Carnegie to 38% shooting and forced 12 turnovers, and the Bears shot 58% and outscored the Tartans 19-12 at the free throw line.  Didn't try to rush back into the game--had a methodical march back helped by Carnegie's foul troubles with Jack Serbin and Chris Shkil needing time off the floor.  Their absence for a stretch around the midway point of the 2nd half allowed Wash-U to finish the comeback and take a lead that it would not relinquish.

This team is far better than I would have ever expected and part of that is definitely the patience and poise that we have seen time and time again this season.  This has been a fun team to follow for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 22, 2016, 12:30:02 PM
Washington University (2-1) and Chicago (3-0) host Brandeis (1-2) and NYU (2-1) while Emory (2-1) and Rochester (1-2) host Case Western Reserve (1-2) and Carnegie Mellon (0-3) to start week three of conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 22, 2016, 05:24:19 PM
I'll be at NYU @ UC tonight. Looking forward to it!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 22, 2016, 09:55:32 PM
Washington University and Brandeis are tied 31-31 at the half.

Not a lot of positives so far other than the reemergence of the pep band and the recognition of Coach Fahey for 700 wins.  The Bears certainly struggled to find their offense.  Tight officiating has been dreadful at times.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 22, 2016, 10:21:23 PM
Washington University is going to have to find an answer for Robinson Vilmont.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 22, 2016, 10:34:34 PM
Jake Knupp has proven to be the answer for Vilmont, but the Judges are shooting very well as a team and rebounding everything.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 22, 2016, 10:42:31 PM
Nothing going right for the Bears including a blown call on a Brandeis turnover that was called out of bounds off Andrew Sanders. Damn that was obvious.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 22, 2016, 11:28:14 PM
Brandeis defeats Washington University 69-66

Nothing went well for the Bears tonight as they battled one of the better defenses to come to the Field House this season.  For example, the Judges had the perimeter locked down as the Bears went 4-18 from three point range (0-6 in the first half). 

Luke Silverman-Lloyd launched a few three point attempts late in the game that could have made the difference, including what would have been the game tying three, but to no avail.

It looked at times as though Clinton Hooks may have a big game, but he was relegated to the bench with foul trouble for all but 14 minutes before eventually fouling out. 

Andrew Sanders had a good game, but the Judges managed to keep him away from the basket for stretches.  It was one of his better games defensively though.

Jordan Cooper led the way for the Judges with 23, doing a little of everything offensively, but it was the second half performance by Robinson Vilmont that turned this game in my opinion.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 23, 2016, 01:28:48 AM
^^ I watched some of the game online. Brandeis appeared to have a couple of very quick guards the Bears couldn't defend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 23, 2016, 10:18:25 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 23, 2016, 01:28:48 AM
^^ I watched some of the game online. Brandeis appeared to have a couple of very quick guards the Bears couldn't defend.

Robinson Vilmont. 

Jake Knupp finally started to slow him down (he began shooting from the perimeter) but it was too little too late.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 23, 2016, 04:04:14 PM
Chicago 69
New York 58

I'll say this for NYU: the Violets look pretty darned impressive in the layup line. There are more than a few D1 teams who would love to have NYU's size. Problem is, the Violets are not particularly quick, and the U of C took advantage of that by repeatedly burning the visitors via dribble penetration and in the transition game. What's worse, for a big team NYU doesn't finish well at the rim, either -- or at least the Violets didn't last night -- which tilted the contest even further in Chicago's favor. Lastly, Nate Brooks put on a clinic in how to outplay bigger defenders in the low post, as his quick feet and good instincts were simply too much for his 6'9 opponent, Costis Gontikas (and Gontikas' 6'10 backup, Brad Lahens) to handle.

The Maroons jumped out to a quick 21-6 lead on the strength of Jordan Smith's penetration, and the Maroons were off to the races, finishing the half with a ten-point lead. The game got much more static in the second half, working to NYU's favor, but the Maroons never let the lead drop below four, and a quick 10-3 run from 8:45 to 6:26 bolstered that narrow four-point gap and gave the Maroons all the breathing room they'd need.

It was the best game I've ever seen Chicago junior PG Tyler Howard play, as he's showing great confidence on both ends of the floor. Conversely, NYU star Evan Kupferberg was hampered by foul trouble throughout the game and finished ten points and seven rebounds below his season averages.

Smith finished with 15 points to lead the Maroons. Waller Perez, whom the Violets could not solve at all, finished with 14, while Howard contributed 11. Brooks led all players in rebounds with 10. Gontikas had 19 and Kupferberg had 10 for the Violets, who were led in rebounding by the comparatively diminutive 6'3 Max Ralby with eight.

Chicago is now 4-0 in UAA play, with only Emory remaining a game back at 3-1.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 23, 2016, 11:41:31 PM
The poor 3-point shooting at home was a puzzle, especially after the Bears shot the 3 so well on the road last weekend.  Give Brandeis a lot of credit...the aforementioned quickness by Robinson Vilmont, Tim Reale, and Colby Smith was a problem for Wash-U's 3-point shooters.  They couldn't get many good looks from beyond the arc.

The Wash-U / Brandeis game hinged on a couple of offensive rebounds gathered by the 6' tall Smith in the last 3 minutes of the game.  The first one with 2:58 left came on a bounce off a missed 3, that caught Wash-U flat-footed for some reason.  That allowed Brandeis to burn 25 more seconds with the extended possession, and Jordan Cooper made a basket that pushed the Judges' lead to 7 with 2:33 left.  The second Smith offensive board came off a missed front end of a one-and-one FT by Reale with 1:33 left, that led to a Wash-U foul and a Vilmont FT in 2 attempts.  Those 3 points and 31 seconds of extra Brandeis possession time were significant in determining the outcome of the game.

Regarding Chicago's Waller Perez...he is indeed a tough customer to handle. Good inside and can make 3s.  The Maroons are in a nice situation, but there is still room on the road to the UAA championship where potholes could develop to jar a team out of a lead.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 24, 2016, 12:31:01 PM
Washington University is going to struggle from the perimeter when our second best three point threat is on the bench for most of the game.  Silverman-Lloyd was tentative early on and Knupp may have been more interested in distributing to the post than shooting.

The Brandeis guards are average UAA quality guards with the exception of Vilmont.  Unfortunately, he was able to run past his man and find lanes with ease.  They could not find a way to contain him or help without giving Cooper and Powell easy opportunities.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2016, 02:28:59 PM
Chicago cruised to an easy 65-50 win over 'deis in Ratner.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2016, 02:33:14 PM
Boy, it seems like every time that I watch a Wash U game there's serious endgame drama.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 24, 2016, 03:34:17 PM
NYU hands Washington University their third conference loss at home, 75-72.

The Bears led by as many as 12 and had a double digit lead for stretches in the second half before giving up the lead with just over a minute left.

The Bears played a good game but they cannot seem to finish close games.  Their offense becomes one-dimensional.  Andrew Sanders decides that weak passes to the post is a good idea for example.  Down by three with 20 seconds left.  The only option must be a Silverman-Lloyd three pointer, right?

The stats lines were very close, but NYU was +3 on rebounding and had four more steals.

Evan Kupferberg was a beast or got the call far more than he should have, depending on your point of view.  He would have fouled out (or played a much different game) with the officials from Friday.

Three losses at home as of week three!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2016, 05:01:14 PM
Despite technical problems over the last few weeks, Sunday's edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) has not been derailed by Mother Nature's rath! Three-feet of snow and still we will get two-hours of the show all thanks to that wonderful home studio.

Tonight, Dave McHugh talks to programs who are storming the competition right now. Whether in the midst of long winning streaks or dominating their conference, these programs are making the turn at five weeks to go in pretty good shape.

You can tune into Hoopsville tonight starting at 7:00 PM ET right here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan24

Guest include (in order):
- Cherise Galasso, WPI women's coach
- Gabby Lisella, No. 22 Rowan women's coach
- Kris Huffman, DePauw women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Mike McGrath, No. 12 Chicago men's coach
- Bert West, East Texas Baptist men's coast It isn't easy to coach at any level. It is a joy to coach Division III says many a coach. Some enjoy it on their way up the ladder, others on their way closer to retirement, and others as their passion.

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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 25, 2016, 07:59:54 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 24, 2016, 03:34:17 PMEvan Kupferberg was a beast or got the call far more than he should have, depending on your point of view.  He would have fouled out (or played a much different game) with the officials from Friday.

One of the reasons why Kupferberg had such a substandard game on Friday at Ratner was because he was in foul trouble for most of the contest.

He's got a definite bull-in-the-china-shop vibe about him. His NYU running mate Patrick Burns has the same syndrome, only even more so.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 25, 2016, 11:16:08 PM
A bull in a China shop!

He was the bull in a China shop on Sunday and that was my problem.  He was able to force fouls on our bags and he did it early and often.  He is a beast and he has the skills and strength to draw fouls, but on several possessions, he turned his shoulder and pounded into guys maintaining a legal guarding position and got the call everytime.  Even Coach Fahey had words for the officials.

Kupferberg was the man though and that was especially true down the stretch with the steals and the go-ahead bucket.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 28, 2016, 01:44:28 PM
The Washington University student newspaper wrote a feature story on the emergence of sophomore Andrew Sanders: http://www.studlife.com/sports/athlete-profile/2016/01/27/for-sanders-size-doesnt-matter/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 29, 2016, 09:03:24 AM
^^^ Excellent article, informative and well written.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 29, 2016, 10:41:19 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 29, 2016, 09:03:24 AM
^^^ Excellent article, informative and well written.

Student Life is one of the best student run newspapers I have ever seen and they do a great job covering sports.  They even live Tweet most games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 29, 2016, 10:53:00 AM
Chicago (5-0) hosts Emory (4-1) in what is the most important game of the weekend.  Emory will probably need to pull the upset to have a chance at the conference title.  Chicago hosts Rochester (3-2) who plays at Washington University tonight (2-3).  NYU (3-2) and Brandeis (2-3) host Carnegie Mellon (0-5) and Case Western Reserve (1-4).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 29, 2016, 09:58:10 PM
Carnegie Mellon upsets NYU on the road 85-80 for their first conference win.

Elsewhere, Emory leads Chicago by nine and Washington University and Rochester are tied 39-39 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 29, 2016, 10:39:52 PM
Coming down to the wire in Chicago and St. Louis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 29, 2016, 10:48:46 PM
Washington University loses yet another heartbreaker at home to Rochester 75-73.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 29, 2016, 10:49:55 PM
Emory downs Chicago on the road to force a tie at the top of the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2016, 10:56:55 PM

If I were picking the UAA games prior to play this evening, I would've gotten every one of them wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 29, 2016, 11:14:27 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 29, 2016, 10:56:55 PM
If I were picking the UAA games prior to play this evening, I would've gotten every one of them wrong.

I was going to make a prediction that Carnegie Mellon and Case Western Reserve would go 1-1 or 2-0 on the road this weekend and then I deleted it.  Seriously.

I definitely did not think Washington University would lose tonight, but after an explosive run to start the game and push the lead to 13, Rochester battled back and both teams were close the rest of the way.  Sam Borst-Smith got the last Rochester field goal and the foul to take the lead 71-70, but then the Bears coughed up the ball giving Rochester two more free throws.  At 73-71, Luke Silverman-Lloyd was yet again asked to take a three pointer to tie the game, but this one rimmed in and out.

If Emory wins on Sunday against Washington University, they will host for two more weekends before finishing on the road against Carnegie Mellon, Case Western Reserve and Rochester.  Just like that, the Emory Eagles are in the driver's seat.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 30, 2016, 08:11:30 AM
Quote from: WUH on January 29, 2016, 11:14:27 PM
I definitely did not think Washington University would lose tonight, but after an explosive run to start the game and push the lead to 13, Rochester battled back and both teams were close the rest of the way.  Sam Borst-Smith got the last Rochester field goal and the foul to take the lead 71-70, but then the Bears coughed up the ball giving Rochester two more free throws.  At 73-71, Luke Silverman-Lloyd was yet again asked to take a three pointer to tie the game, but this one rimmed in and out.

I was following the live stats. Sometimes that gives you a perspective you don't get when seeing the live action. I was struck by how frequently Wash U was putting a single point on the board followed sometimes by a second single point, sometimes not. So I started adding up Rochester's fouls. They got whistled for 30 and three players fouled out. Wash U made 25 of 34 free throws -- a decent 73%. But it seems like Rochester, or the officials, gave the Bears every opportunity to win the game at the line, but they didn't.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on January 30, 2016, 10:08:09 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 30, 2016, 08:11:30 AM
Quote from: WUH on January 29, 2016, 11:14:27 PM
I definitely did not think Washington University would lose tonight, but after an explosive run to start the game and push the lead to 13, Rochester battled back and both teams were close the rest of the way.  Sam Borst-Smith got the last Rochester field goal and the foul to take the lead 71-70, but then the Bears coughed up the ball giving Rochester two more free throws.  At 73-71, Luke Silverman-Lloyd was yet again asked to take a three pointer to tie the game, but this one rimmed in and out.

I was following the live stats. Sometimes that gives you a perspective you don't get when seeing the live action. I was struck by how frequently Wash U was putting a single point on the board followed sometimes by a second single point, sometimes not. So I started adding up Rochester's fouls. They got whistled for 30 and three players fouled out. Wash U made 25 of 34 free throws -- a decent 73%. But it seems like Rochester, or the officials, gave the Bears every opportunity to win the game at the line, but they didn't.

Wash U... seemingly the first St. Louis D3 team eliminated from a chance to play post season basketball.. doubtful that they can turn things around enough to win an UAA championship, more doubtful that a winning-out 18-7 record would get them to the tourney.  Disappointing given the close losses that could have been close wins....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 30, 2016, 11:01:37 AM
No one is going to listen to what I have to say about the officials but Washington University did a lot to work to get those fouls.  In my opinion, the disparity is a reflection of the offense Rochester ran.

Free throw shooting could have been the difference against Augustana, Chicago, NYU and more.  But the team just not seem to be able to close out games and have also had costly turnovers and so forth.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 30, 2016, 12:35:39 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 30, 2016, 11:01:37 AM
No one is going to listen to what I have to say about the officials but Washington University did a lot to work to get those fouls.  In my opinion, the disparity is a reflection of the offense Rochester ran.

Not sure what you mean with your non-comment about the officials, but when your opponent gets whistled for 30 fouls and you get whistled for 17 (and probably 3-4 of those were in the last minute plus to stop the clock) it would seem that saying anything about the officiating that would suggest they were biased against you would be hard to comprehend without considerable explanation. Maybe that's not what you meant, though. I'm also curious about how Rochester's offense contributed to their fouling. That would seem to imply a lot of offensive, and thus non-shooting, fouls. Wash U took a few more shots from the field than Rochester, but made fewer. The Bears had a 12 point scoring advantage from the foul line. Maybe Rochester simply was the better team last night, both offensively and defensively.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 30, 2016, 02:27:55 PM
The Yellow Jackets are not going to draw a lot of fouls with an offense predicated on creating open looks for their guards.  The Bears looked to capitalize on their size advantage by getting the ball to the post and letting Sanders, Highsmith, Schmelter, and Meyer go to work.  They drew fouls in the process.

The best team won last night and nothing I said suggested otherwise.  I was merely explaining the disparity in fouls to counter to the suggestion that the officials gave the Bears every opportunity to win.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 30, 2016, 02:46:12 PM
I get it now. Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 30, 2016, 04:44:26 PM
Emory simply outplayed Chicago last night. The Maroons couldn't get any open looks to drop, but the Eagles definitely outhustled the Maroons and were more aggressive on offense. Emory led for most of the game, although Chicago caught up late in the contest and tied it at 57-57, thanks in large part to the fact that Emory didn't really have a good defensive match for Waller Perez. But Chicago missed some important shots down the stretch, and Emory finally pulled away at the FT line in the waning seconds.

Emory is very good. If Chicago doesn't return the favor in Atlanta next weekend, I think that the UAA could end up in a co-championship.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 30, 2016, 07:15:59 PM
A very telling statistic from the Wash-U/Rochester game was this combination:  5 second-chance points from 14 offensive rebounds. The Bears had the edge in offensive rebounds but couldn't cash them in at full value. 

Sam Borst-Smith was very impressive for Rochester.  Even when Wash-U had its biggest lead at 20-7 in the first half, his countenance never changed.  Very poised, even-keeled, unflappable...from the opening tip to the end of the game.  That was effective with under a minute to play, when he drove a crowded lane and got a 3-point play to give Rochester a one-point lead with 49 seconds left.  Mack Montague then stole the ball from Clinton Hooks, missed a shot, but Tucker Knox got the offensive rebound.  In Wash-U's scramble to force a couple of 5-counts, Borst-Smith then drew a foul when he got his composed hands on the basketball with 12 seconds left and made two more free throws for a 3-point lead.  Talk about having ice water in the veins...

A Wash-U 3-ball to tie was off the mark, and Tucker Knox was fouled on the rebound with 2 seconds left, and he made two free throws for a 5-point lead.  Kevin Kucera's half-court shot at the buzzer banked in, but left the Bears two points short.

Also impressive for Rochester was freshman guard Michael Mangan.  Extremely quick on the dribble, and he gave Wash-U fits en route to 12 first-half points...helping offset the loss of Jared Seltzer to foul trouble.  Mangan was making only his third start of the season--I think he may be a starter for the rest of the Yellowjacket games this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 31, 2016, 02:41:28 PM
Emory is about ready to take out Washington University while Chicago is proving to be Rochester's kind of town.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 31, 2016, 03:47:14 PM
Emory defeats Washington University 82-73.  The Eagles move to 6-1 in the conference and are alone at the top of the conference after Rochester took out Chicago.

Washington University played a good game, but lost that one from the free throw line.  The Bears shot 20-32 (62%) from the line, which does not reflect just how many time they missed on the front end of the one and one.

Add to the fact that Emory just seemed to hit everything including a fade away three pointer that gave them a three point lead at that half.  That shot by Whit Rapp was guarded perfectly by Nico Ipaguirre.  I mention that only because even though his name does not often make the stats, he is definitely a big part of the team.

Rochester beats Chicago behind a 30 point effort by Mack Montague while Jordan Smith scores just 1 point in 24 minutes.  Rochester led by as many as 22 points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 05:03:01 PM
For the third consecutive year, Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air for 12 hours as the regular season enters the final four weeks. Dave McHugh will chat with coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and others involved in Division III basketball from around the country. Other guests will include those who have Division III roots or appreciate the division and the game along with the student-athletes who play the sport.

Hoopsville will air from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. (and maybe later) on Thursday, February 4 live from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can see what guests are scheduled, get more information, and watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb4

You can also read the press release about the show: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/hoopsville-marathon-2016

Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:


   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
TimeGuestSchool
10:15amConnie TilleySt. Norbert (WBB) - WBCA Center Court
10:40amJamie PurdyPeidmont (WBB)
11:00amKeri CarolloUW-Whitewater (WBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
11:20amBrent PollariSaint Mary's (Minn.) (WBB)
11:40amKent MadsenNo. 21 Wheaton (Ill.) (WBB)
12:00pmRussell LoydRose-Hulman (MBB)
12:20pmKevin BroderickNazareth (MBB)
12:40pmJustin ScottArcadia (MBB)
1:00pmSam HargravesNo. 12 Alma (MBB)
1:20pmLenny ReichMount Union (SID)
1:40pmMaureen WebsterClarkson (WBB)
2:00pmBetsy WitmanYork (Pa.) (WBB)
2:20pmSara LeeDenison (WBB)
2:40pmKlay KneuppelWisconsin Lutheran (MBB)
3:00pmBrian Van HaaftenBuena Vista (MBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
3:30pmSydney MossNo. 1 Thomas More (WBB)
3:45pmAaron RousellBucknell (WBB) - former Chicago coach
4:00pmTim ShanahanStaten Island (WBB)
4:20Pat CunninghamTrinity (Texas) (MBB) - NABC Coach's Corner
4:50pmBubba SmithSewanee (MBB)
5:15pmBen StrongFormer Guilford All-American
5:30pmKevin ConnorsESPN SportsCenter Anchor - Ithaca alumnus
6:00pmKristen DowlingClaremont-Mudd-Scripps (WBB)
6:20pmAllison ColemanSage (WBB)
6:40pmLandry KosmalskiSwarthmore (MBB)
7:00pmDave NilandNo. 23 Penn State-Behrend (MBB)
7:20pmAaron GallettaLasell (MBB)
7:40pmJohn BaronGwynedd-Mercy (MBB)
8:00pm
8:20pm
8:40pmMelissa HodgdonWheaton (Mass.) (WBB)
9:00pmG.P. GromackiNo. 2 Amherst (WBB)
9:20pmJames Wagner
9:40pmHAPPY HOURFree-for-all of calls, tweets, and fun!

We hope to get at least the full show on a podcast, or several podcast, during the on Friday. You can find it here:
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 05, 2016, 02:04:53 PM
The UAA has officially reached the half-way point with Emory (6-1) holding a two game lead over both Chicago (5-2) and Rochester (5-2) and a three game lead over NYU.  The Eagles have already scored road wins over both Chicago and NYU and a 78-75 win at home over Rochester.

Emory has only three remaining road games including a weekend trip to Carnegie Mellon and Case Western Reserve and a Saturday game at Rochester to close out the season.

The biggest game of the weekend is certainly going to be played in Atlanta with Emory hosting a Chicago team that has lost two in a row at home.  Rochester certainly has two big tests against Washington University and Chicago.  The conference is as unpredictable as ever, but I am not convinced that NYU remains in contention after this weekend. 

Current UAA Standings and Preseason Coaches Poll

Emory 6-1 (No. 3)
Chicago 5-2 (No. 1)
Rochester 5-2 (No. 5)
New York University 4-3 (No. 2)
Brandeis 3-4 (No. 7)
Washington University 2-5 (No. 4)    
Case Western Reserve 2-5 (No. 6)
Carnegie Mellon 1-6 (No. 8)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 05, 2016, 08:47:17 PM
I keep hoping that Rochester will take my $6.95 for the video feed and add it to the new camera fund, but maybe I am the only one buying.  Rochester is the only school in the league that charges and yet they have the worst feed.

Rochester leads Washington University at the half, 42-40.  The Yellow Jackets are 8-15 from three point range with almost all of those coming off contested shots.

Emory leads Chicago at the half, 28-24.  The teams are shooting a combined 6-28 from three point range
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on February 05, 2016, 09:31:10 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 05, 2016, 08:47:17 PM
I keep hoping that Rochester will take my $6.95 for the video feed and add it to the new camera fund, but maybe I am the only one buying.  Rochester is the only school in the league that charges and yet they have the worst feed.

Rochester leads Washington University at the half, 42-40.  The Yellow Jackets are 8-15 from three point range with almost all of those coming off contested shots.

Emory leads Chicago at the half, 28-24.  The teams are shooting a combined 6-28 from three point range
just using your investment to buy popcorn for the production crew.  And the popcorn probably stale and brunt!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 05, 2016, 10:17:47 PM
Washington University looked stale in the second half scoring a mere 24 points in a 77-64 loss to Rochester who burned up the three point line as Rochester was hotter than a box of concession stand popcorn. 

The Bears led in rebounding (+6) and assists maybe but that was not enough to overcome the turnovers (17) and poor perimeter shooting.

Rochester only has two road games and they look like a team that could beat Emory at home to end the season.

Emory defeated Chicago 61-53 to remain in the lead for the UAA with Rochester just one game behind.  NYU and Chicago are two games behind.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 06, 2016, 10:43:31 AM
Quote from: WUH on February 05, 2016, 08:47:17 PM
I keep hoping that Rochester will take my $6.95 for the video feed and add it to the new camera fund, but maybe I am the only one buying.  Rochester is the only school in the league that charges and yet they have the worst feed.

Rochester should be embarrassed that it charges for this. You'd think they'd understand that providing a free video feed can lead to more philanthropic support from alumni. The cost of providing the feed is negligible according to someone at another institution who I had this conversation with. Heck, one alum who cares enough could easily give all the money it takes to cover the cost of the live streaming athletic events without charging viewers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on February 06, 2016, 03:35:04 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on February 06, 2016, 10:43:31 AM
Quote from: WUH on February 05, 2016, 08:47:17 PM
I keep hoping that Rochester will take my $6.95 for the video feed and add it to the new camera fund, but maybe I am the only one buying.  Rochester is the only school in the league that charges and yet they have the worst feed.

Rochester should be embarrassed that it charges for this. You'd think they'd understand that providing a free video feed can lead to more philanthropic support from alumni. The cost of providing the feed is negligible according to someone at another institution who I had this conversation with. Heck, one alum who cares enough could easily give all the money it takes to cover the cost of the live streaming athletic events without charging viewers.
yep, most schools miss the opportunity to either connect with alumni and/or use the feed to "sell" the school.  Small investment which could be used as a work/study opportunity
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2016, 05:46:39 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on February 06, 2016, 10:43:31 AM
Quote from: WUH on February 05, 2016, 08:47:17 PM
I keep hoping that Rochester will take my $6.95 for the video feed and add it to the new camera fund, but maybe I am the only one buying.  Rochester is the only school in the league that charges and yet they have the worst feed.

Rochester should be embarrassed that it charges for this. You'd think they'd understand that providing a free video feed can lead to more philanthropic support from alumni. The cost of providing the feed is negligible according to someone at another institution who I had this conversation with. Heck, one alum who cares enough could easily give all the money it takes to cover the cost of the live streaming athletic events without charging viewers.

As one who pays the bills as a web streaming consultant... while I completely agree with your assessment and your frustration, it isn't as easy as you think to just have an alum pay the bill and solve the problem. I am in no way defending Rochester, but I do know that there is a lot that goes into web streaming these days from the camera to the production equipment to the infrastructure to the manpower to the streaming company/partner. There are costs across the board and it isn't a one-time payment to solve all the world's problems. I am happy to offer my services to Rochester, but I promise you that even an investment to improve things for just this year would be a $5,000 or higher tab to meet the standards out there now. Then start adding in the costs every year to maintain and certainly improve it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 07, 2016, 12:42:28 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2016, 05:46:39 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on February 06, 2016, 10:43:31 AM
Quote from: WUH on February 05, 2016, 08:47:17 PM
I keep hoping that Rochester will take my $6.95 for the video feed and add it to the new camera fund, but maybe I am the only one buying.  Rochester is the only school in the league that charges and yet they have the worst feed.

Rochester should be embarrassed that it charges for this. You'd think they'd understand that providing a free video feed can lead to more philanthropic support from alumni. The cost of providing the feed is negligible according to someone at another institution who I had this conversation with. Heck, one alum who cares enough could easily give all the money it takes to cover the cost of the live streaming athletic events without charging viewers.

As one who pays the bills as a web streaming consultant... while I completely agree with your assessment and your frustration, it isn't as easy as you think to just have an alum pay the bill and solve the problem. I am in no way defending Rochester, but I do know that there is a lot that goes into web streaming these days from the camera to the production equipment to the infrastructure to the manpower to the streaming company/partner. There are costs across the board and it isn't a one-time payment to solve all the world's problems. I am happy to offer my services to Rochester, but I promise you that even an investment to improve things for just this year would be a $5,000 or higher tab to meet the standards out there now. Then start adding in the costs every year to maintain and certainly improve it.

Thanks for the info. I know nothing about this. I've commented in several other places about charging to watch games online or pay to get an HD feed rather than a lower quality free feed. A person at another institution commented that the cost of adding video to the free audio feed they were already providing was negligible. Could that be true? 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2016, 03:02:38 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on February 07, 2016, 12:42:28 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2016, 05:46:39 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on February 06, 2016, 10:43:31 AM
Quote from: WUH on February 05, 2016, 08:47:17 PM
I keep hoping that Rochester will take my $6.95 for the video feed and add it to the new camera fund, but maybe I am the only one buying.  Rochester is the only school in the league that charges and yet they have the worst feed.

Rochester should be embarrassed that it charges for this. You'd think they'd understand that providing a free video feed can lead to more philanthropic support from alumni. The cost of providing the feed is negligible according to someone at another institution who I had this conversation with. Heck, one alum who cares enough could easily give all the money it takes to cover the cost of the live streaming athletic events without charging viewers.

As one who pays the bills as a web streaming consultant... while I completely agree with your assessment and your frustration, it isn't as easy as you think to just have an alum pay the bill and solve the problem. I am in no way defending Rochester, but I do know that there is a lot that goes into web streaming these days from the camera to the production equipment to the infrastructure to the manpower to the streaming company/partner. There are costs across the board and it isn't a one-time payment to solve all the world's problems. I am happy to offer my services to Rochester, but I promise you that even an investment to improve things for just this year would be a $5,000 or higher tab to meet the standards out there now. Then start adding in the costs every year to maintain and certainly improve it.

Thanks for the info. I know nothing about this. I've commented in several other places about charging to watch games online or pay to get an HD feed rather than a lower quality free feed. A person at another institution commented that the cost of adding video to the free audio feed they were already providing was negligible. Could that be true?

I know with boxcast, the one that does the SD/HD split, a school splits the revenue 50/50 for HD streaming, otherwise it's a pretty cheap service.  I don't think it's an option not to charge for the HD, at least with that company.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2016, 03:06:09 PM
It depends on so many factors. It can be negligible and it can be daunting. It really depends on where a school is coming from in the first place. It also depends on where a school ultimately wants to go. So maybe at that place it was negligible to add some basic video and do nothing fancy. Other schools rather do more. Rochester probably will have to do more than just add a few things here and there to hit the bar expected of them.

So yes... negligible if you want to do it easy and take shortcuts. Not negligible if you want to do it right. In both case, certainly feasible and manageable if done right and planned smartely. I consult with schools all of the time in this department, so I see decisions and options across the board.

As for charging for watching live streams, I have been very vocal and consult to the point as well - I don't like it. I think the costs are NEVER outweighed by charging for broadcasts. You will NEVER make up the costs of your web streaming capabilities by charging simply because the expectations are higher if you are charging and that means more money needs to be put into the broadcasts. There are some charging options that I don't mind (free high-quality SD version; charged HD-version), but they are rare.

More and more schools are abandoning charging for web streaming and finding options to pay for the broadcasts including advertising or donation set-ups. I have seen Rochester's broadcast and there are schools with free-versions who don't think that is good enough for them. Maybe I can help Rochester. :)

(Per Boxcast: it depends on the school and their plans. They absolutely can show Boxcast HD for free, as long as the school decides to pay the bill for the HD streaming. If they rather set-up an HD stream as a charge, they can. It is all option based ultimately.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 07, 2016, 06:11:57 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2016, 03:06:09 PM
As for charging for watching live streams, I have been very vocal and consult to the point as well - I don't like it. I think the costs are NEVER outweighed by charging for broadcasts. You will NEVER make up the costs of your web streaming capabilities by charging simply because the expectations are higher if you are charging and that means more money needs to be put into the broadcasts. There are some charging options that I don't mind (free high-quality SD version; charged HD-version), but they are rare.

A very interesting discussion everyone...

Emory has a free SD fee with a pay per view HD feed.  The quality is very good for the SD, and even though my standards are not that high, I have paid for the HD version before.  My problem with the Rochester feed is that the quality is so poor. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 07, 2016, 06:15:00 PM
Three UAA games were decided today by just one point including the 77-76 Rochester overtime win over the University of Chicago.  I did not get to watch the game, but it sounds like it may have been worth $6.95.  From the press release:

ROCHESTER, N.Y. – Mack Montague sank a three-pointer at the overtime buzzer after an intentionally-missed free throw to give Rochester a 77-76 victory over the University of Chicago at the Louis Alexander Palestra.

Chicago held a 76-73 lead with six seconds left. The Maroons fouled Rochester's Sam Borst-Smith with 2.7 seconds left to prevent a three-pointer. Borst-Smith made the first shot, pulling Rochester within 76-74. He threw the second one off the front of the rim. It came right back to him and he passed it to Montague in the left corner. Montague's jumper was in the air as the buzzer sounded.


Emory edged Washington University 74-73 in a game in which the Bears had two shots at the line to get the tie and potentially the win with 8 seconds left, but missed on both.  NYU edged Case Western Reserve 80-79.

Chicago is more or less out of contention for the championship while Rochester and NYU remain one and two games behind Emory with five games left on the season.  NYU will travel to Emory and Rochester next weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 07, 2016, 06:28:29 PM
Thanks to everyone for their input on video streaming.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 07, 2016, 06:59:51 PM
Wow, four losses in a row now for a U of C team that was once 14-2, 5-0 and seemingly on cruise control to the UAA title. The Maroons have folded like an origami phoenix, and I'm stumped for an explanation as to why.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 08, 2016, 01:25:09 PM
Massey still has Chicago ranked in the Top 25, but the Maroons played well in the non-conference season and obviously, Massey does not discriminate between non-conference and conference.  They certainly do not look like a Top 25 team, but Emory and Rochester both look a lot better than their non-conference records.  Emory is ranked No. 17 in Massey while Rochester has moved up to No. 33. 

I had started writing about Washington University and the 10-10 record in historical context, but the campus newspaper did a great job covering this:

With the pair of losses, the Bear now extend their losing streak to six games, their longest skid since the 1982-83 season when they lost 10 straight and finished 6-20. That was Edwards' second season at the helm.

There is one spot in the record book 2015-16 Bears may not be able to escape from. With five UAA games left in the schedule, the Red and Green currently sit with a 2-7 conference record, tied with Carnegie for seventh in the standings. In the 29-year history of the UAA, Wash. U. has never finished below fourth. If the Bears want to catch the University of Chicago and their 5-4 record, they will likely need to win out against a slate of UAA teams they went 2-3 against on their first trip around the conference.


It is interesting looking back at those 10 losses for Washington University.

The Bears were out of the three road games against Illinois Wesleyan, Wittenberg, and Rochester and the home game against Emory, but they were potentially a made basket, free throw, or a defensive turnover in the last 10-60 seconds away from wins over Augustana, Chicago, Brandeis, New York, Rochester and Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 08, 2016, 02:12:22 PM
That Rochester buzzer beater is definitely worth watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL2O_uY7lJEsLY5qDKalGhqhFXO7wYcu0q&v=7H3hh2yqdak

Absolutely perfect in its execution, this would have my vote for buzzer beater of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 08, 2016, 03:45:41 PM
Just getting the ball to come back to you on the fly at the free-throw line is incredibly difficult in and of itself, because it takes a combination of pinpoint precision and high velocity. Toss in the split-second pass to the corner, and the sprint-catch-and-shoot of the receiver, and you've got a really exceptional buzzer-beater in terms of its execution. The standard long-heave buzzer-beaters are fun to watch, but they often appear as though there's more of an element of random luck involved than was true of this play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on February 08, 2016, 04:42:14 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 08, 2016, 03:45:41 PM
Just getting the ball to come back to you on the fly at the free-throw line is incredibly difficult in and of itself, because it takes a combination of pinpoint precision and high velocity. Toss in the split-second pass to the corner, and the sprint-catch-and-shoot of the receiver, and you've got a really exceptional buzzer-beater in terms of its execution. The standard long-heave buzzer-beaters are fun to watch, but they often appear as though there's more of an element of random luck involved than was true of this play.

Precision you'd expect from a UAA team.....

Gosh, it feels good to post about UofR again...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 08, 2016, 06:08:34 PM
I am glad to see you back.  And, I am glad to see Rochester get a little recognition from the pollsters who awarded the Yellow Jackets two votes this week.  It is a start.

At this point, the best UAA fans can hope for is that Emory and Rochester win out over the next two weekends and play for co-champions in the last game of the season.

Emory entered the D3Hoops.com rankings for the first time in a few weeks coming in at No. 24 while Chicago officially dropped out.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 08, 2016, 11:15:30 PM
Last post on the buzzer beater: ESPN featured the Rochester buzzer beater in their Sports Center Top 10 and ranked it No. 2.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 01:59:41 PM
Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 12, 2016, 10:17:32 PM
NYU defeats Emory on the road 73-56 to pull within one game of Emory while Rochester pulls even with Emory after the win over Brandeis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 12, 2016, 10:30:53 PM
Case Western Reserve leads Washington University at the half, 47-45.  The Bears have not won in the Field House since mid December.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 12, 2016, 10:43:57 PM
Emory had the lead early in the second and trailed by one point with 10 minutes left before going stone cold and scoring just 6 in the final 10 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 13, 2016, 12:15:23 AM
Finally!  Washington University gets a home win over Case Western Reserve, 107-98 in regulation.

Both teams were over 50% from the field and 50% from three point range for much of the game and the Tartans led by as many as 10 in the second half and held the lead until the 4:51 mark.  The Bears had struggled against the Tartan press in the first half, but the Bears found their way in the second and finally closed out a close game. 

Kevin Kucera and David Schmelter scored 23 and 24 including 18 and 20 points in the second half.  Andrew Sanders finished with 17 points and 16 rebounds.

The Washington University Athletics department hosted a ceremony between games for the dedication of the Field House court as the Edwards-Fahey Court.  Thankfully, the ceremony was bookended by two wins.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 13, 2016, 03:35:17 PM
Yes indeed...great effort by the WashU men to snap the 6-game losing streak.  Bears had the lead for almost all of the first half, but Case's full court press was cumulatively effective and allowed the Spartans to take a 47-45 halftime lead.

A big moment in the 2nd half came when WashU pulled within 81-80, only to have Spencer Boyd answer quickly with a 3 to push the lead to 84-80 with 6 minutes left.  During the losing streak, that would lead to an opponent run to push the lead to a dangerous distance, and dampen chances for a late rally.  But, Luke Silverman-Lloyd sank a 3 and Kucera did likewise while falling on his backside to give the Bears their first lead of the 2nd half. Jimmy Holman made a trey to put Case back on top by a point.  Undeterred, Jake Knupp popped in a 3 to give WashU a lead that it held onto for the final 4 minutes.

Schmelter had a thunderous slam with 1:58 that pushed the lead to 6, and Kucera was 6-6 from the free throw line to make sure the game didn't get away in the final 24 seconds.  Big sigh and applause from the nearly 2,000 fans in attendance.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 14, 2016, 01:55:33 PM
Rochester destroys NYU while Emory gets by Brandeis to remain tied for the lead.

Washington University leads Carnegie Mellon 44-35 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 14, 2016, 04:09:50 PM
Washington University defeats 80-75 on Senior Day.

While the team looked relieved to get the win on Friday, they looked happy today as they walked off the court.  They did not shoot particularly well from three point range (8-28), but they played a great game on defense and executed on offense.  The result was balanced scoring and 21 assists. 

They also played tough through down the stretch for the second straight game, especially after Carnegie Mellon fought to within one point at the 2:01 minute mark.  But, Washington University continued to patiently execute their offense and responded with a Jake Knupp three.

Thanks to the Luke Silverman-Llloyd, the one and only senior recognized today on Senior Day.  Three more games left for the senior.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 16, 2016, 10:08:24 PM
The University of Illinois hired our Athletic Director: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0217-athletic-director-illinois-20160216-story.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 19, 2016, 08:55:12 AM
Quote from: WUH on February 16, 2016, 10:08:24 PM
The University of Illinois hired our Athletic Director: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0217-athletic-director-illinois-20160216-story.html


From my rather distant perspective, it seemed clear from the moment he was hired that he was ambitious, so this does not surprise me. But he's in the big leagues now where they have a higher standard for success, so his next move may not be voluntary..
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2016, 11:18:46 PM
I agree and I am not surprised that Josh Whitman was offered the job, but I am a little surprised he wanted it.  I understand the draw in general and the draw for Whitman in particular, but Illinois...well, that is all you really have to say actually.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2016, 11:25:01 PM
Washington University destroyed Brandeis, 88-62.  The game was as good as it gets in almost every regard. 

From the press release:

The Bears shot a season-high 66.1 percent (37-of-56) from the field, and hit 7-of-13 from three-point range. WashU outrebounded Brandeis 41-17, and recorded 22 assists on 37 field goals.

Junior forward Clinton Hooks scored a career-high 26 points on 10-of-14 shooting from the field, while sophomore forward Andrew Sanders had 18 points (9-12 FG) and six rebounds and sophomore center David Schmelter (7-for-7 FG) recorded his third career double-double with 18 points and 10 rebounds.

Sophomore point guard Kevin Kucera also recorded a double-double with 10 points and a career-high 10 assists, while sophomore guard Jake Knupp added 10 points and a career-high seven rebounds off the bench.


The only blemish on an otherwise great night of basketball for Washington University was the 17 turnovers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2016, 11:46:24 PM
In other news, Emory ran away from Carnegie Mellon, 83-68, scoring 53 points in the first half, while Rochester defeated Case Western Reserve 99-92 in yet another high scoring game involving the Spartans. 

NYU defeated Chicago 72-59, though both teams are officially out of contention for the league championship.  Chicago and NYU were picked to finish first and second by the coaches.

Emory and Rochester remain tied for first place in the UAA with games against Case Western Reserve and Carnegie Mellon on Sunday before the rematch next weekend.

For those keeping score, Chicago is officially in first place in the all UAA academic recognition with nine players receiving academic recognition following the Fall semester.  Emory, Carnegie Mellon, and Washington University are all two players back with seven players receiving the honor.

http://uaasports.info/sports/general/15-16_UAA_Winter_A-A_Release.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 20, 2016, 04:29:36 PM
The UAA has four teams in the Massey Ratings Top 25, I believe, for the first time all season.

No. 16 Emory
No. 22 Rochester
No. 24 NYU
No. 25 Chicago
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 20, 2016, 08:20:12 PM
The future indeed looks bright, WUH!

With the victory, Wash-U ensured a 32nd consecutive winning season for head coach Mark Edwards.  A fantastic streak, no matter what level of college basketball is being discussed.

Bobby Knight had a 33-year string of consecutive winning seasons.  I would imagine there are a few others who have similar streaks or longer, but otherwise Coach Edwards' accomplishment--earned year after year in a very competitive basketball conference--is a scintillating accomplishment.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 21, 2016, 12:50:25 PM
Emory and Rochester both trail at the half.  Hard to imagine upsets in either fame, but this is Sunday in the UAA.

NYU leads Washington University at the half.  24 fouls called.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 21, 2016, 01:42:31 PM
Upset Alert!  Emory and Rochester on the ropes.

Washington University closes out a close game at NYU!  FINAL: 71-70.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2016, 03:53:28 PM

So the UAA is killing off its own chances for at-large bids, but also nicely giving us a UAA Championship game.  So there's that.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 21, 2016, 04:28:56 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 21, 2016, 03:53:28 PM
So the UAA is killing off its own chances for at-large bids, but also nicely giving us a UAA Championship game.  So there's that.

I figured Carnegie Mellon and Case Western Reserve had a few big wins in them.

As for NYU, they are going to be thinking about that 42% effort from the free throw line for a long time.

I do agree, though it is fun to have everything go down to the final game between Rochester and Emory.  That will be a game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 22, 2016, 12:38:22 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on February 20, 2016, 08:20:12 PM
The future indeed looks bright,

What do you think...is Michael Bregman back next season?

He did stay on the bench all season, so hopefully that means he intends to return.

Otherwise, I could not agree more about next season.  You mentioned two names to start the season: Andrew Sanders and Jake Knupp.  Sanders obviously had an immediate impact on the team and he is only a sophomore.  It took a little longer for Jake Knupp to find his place.  He has averaged 20 minutes per game over the season including 15 minutes against Augustana and 18 minutes against Wittenburg, but looking at those last four games, he played 30, 28, 27, and 29 minutes. 40% from three point range and maybe the best defender on the team...

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 02:13:26 PM
Final public regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/24/third-ncaa-regional-ranking/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 06:21:45 PM
The final days of the regular season are here. Results of games across the country are affecting other teams not even playing. How will it all shake out and how does one result affect another?

Thursday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh gives you the insight you need to know how the NCAA Tournament brackets are already taking shape. Dave will talk to many coaches around the country who are looking to lock up automatic bids, securing at-large opportunities, or knowingly playing for the postseason lives. Dave will even make sure you better understand the selection criteria and how something like the Strength of Schedule helps or hurts teams.

Hoopsville hits the air at 7pm ET. You can tune in below.

Guests include (in order of appearance)
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- Fred Richter, DeSales women's coach
- Warren Caruso, Husson men's coach
- Zach Frilen, No. 15 Lancaster Bible men's coach
- Todd Raridon, No. 11 North Central (Ill.) men's coach
- Marcus Kahn (Mary Washington) or Andy Sachs (Salisbury), CAC men's semifinal winner
- Matt Snyder, Strength of Schedule/Numbers guru

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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 27, 2016, 01:15:52 PM
Emory and Rochester are tied with 10 minutes to go.  The Eagles led by 6 at the half.  Sam Borst-Smith with four fouls.

The UAA Championship is on the line.

Bragging rights and tourney implications for the other travel partner schools.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 27, 2016, 01:52:57 PM
Congratulations to Emory who leaves Rochester with the 84-75 road win and the conference title.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 27, 2016, 05:07:13 PM
Brandeis struggled mightily today falling to NYU.  Final score: 71-50.

Ugly basketball in Hyde Park at the moment.  Chicago leads Washington University at the half, 30-29.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 27, 2016, 06:18:01 PM
Washington University defeats Chicago, 67-54.

A game that started out ugly for both teams had Chicago cleaning things up first, but Washington University closed out the first half on a nice run that continued in to the second half. 

17 big assists, including 11 from Kevin Kucera. 

Luke Silverman-Lloyd ended his career with a team high 17 points (5-8 from three point range).  Bravo Luke!  Clinton Hooks, Andrew Sanders, and David Schmelter also scored in double figures. 

+1 on rebounds and not a single turnover in the second half.

Luke Silverman-Lloyd and Jake Knupp helped hold Jordan Smith to a 23% shooting effort (3-13, 2-10).

If you are Washington University, that is exactly how you want to close out the season.  Night and day from their last visit to Hyde Park last January.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 28, 2016, 11:02:03 PM
Listening to Hoopsville and thought I would take another shot at the 2015-2016 UAA All-Association Men's Basketball Team.  This is not complete, but it almost there.

Emory has the coaching staff and player of the year for the second straight year in Coach Zimmerman and company and Will Trawick.  Emory will also have the rookie of the year in Adam Gigax.

First Team:
Will Trawick, Emory
Davis Rao, Emory
Sam Borst-Smith, Rochester
Jared Seltzer, Rochester
Evan Kupferberg, NYU
Andrew Sanders, Washington University
Jack Serbin, Carnegie Mellon

Second Team:
Adam Gigax, Emory
Mack Montague, Rochester
Costas Gontikas, NYU
Jordan Smith, Chicago
Matt Clark, Case Western Reserve
Jordan Cooper, Brandeis

Honorable Mention:

Ross Udine, NYU; Tyler Howard, Chicago; Kevin Kucera, Washington University; Jimmy Holman, Case Western Reserve; Robinson Vilmont Brandeis; Chris Shkil, Carnegie Mellon

Player of the Year:
Will Trawick, Emory

Defensive Player of the Year:

TBD

Rookie of the Year:
Adam Gigax, Emory

Coaching Staff of the Year:
Emory
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 29, 2016, 10:47:56 AM
Final Conference Standings (with Massey Rating and Massey SOS)

No. 20/12 Emory
No. 31/36 Rochester
No. 24/125 NYU
No. 26/11 Chicago
No. 49/22 Washington University
No. 117/42 Case Western Reserve
No. 157/68 Carnegie Mellon
No. 181/55 Brandeis


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 03, 2016, 10:18:50 AM
The 2015-2016 All-Association Team has been released: http://uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/2015-16/15-16_MBKB_All-Assoc.pdf

I was close to where the coaches were, though I disagree with Evan Kupferberg over Will Trawick for player of the year.  I do think Andrew Sanders and Jack Serbin are first team players. 

I had Matt Clark as a second team in my rough draft though I had thought to move him up after I figured out who to move down.  Clark finished his career with a couple of game changing performances against Emory and Carnegie Mellon and was great all season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 05, 2016, 09:06:26 PM
NYU falls to Christopher Newport, 67-64 in a game that they should have won.  The Violettes had yet another poor performance from the line shooting 53% or 14-26 collectively.  Interestingly, NYU went 0-4 from the three point line, yet they decided to go for the three down by two with 9 seconds left.  Then, on the final possession, Evan Kupferberg drove the lane clearly expecting to get fouled, but to no avail. 

Kupferberg had yet another big game, scoring 25 with 7 rebounds, but rather than taking over late in the game, he watched Marcus Carter take over instead.

Emory advances with a win over Birmingham Southern in OT, 84-78.  Emory trailed for most of the second half, but caught the Panthers in the final minute.  Trawick and Rao are big time!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 06, 2016, 12:17:41 AM
Also, I think I know why NYU struggled so mightily from the free throw line.  I think it was this intreprid Christopher Newport fan and her Donald Trump head sign.  It is distracting me and all I am doing is typing on a keyboard.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FMhtIUCT.jpg&hash=663a0256bf693c22c05416694fb2ac907c062440)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 09, 2016, 06:33:14 PM
Congratulations to Sam Borst-Smith for winning the State Farm NCAA Basketball Assist of the Year as voted on by the fans.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/college/2016/03/09/ur-player-wins-assist-year-contest/81525250/?hootPostID=024192b3c900fdf62d69c0b397eef2f6
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: CNU85 on March 10, 2016, 10:51:34 AM
Quote from: WUH on March 06, 2016, 12:17:41 AM
Also, I think I know why NYU struggled so mightily from the free throw line.  I think it was this intreprid Christopher Newport fan and her Donald Trump head sign.  It is distracting me and all I am doing is typing on a keyboard.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FMhtIUCT.jpg&hash=663a0256bf693c22c05416694fb2ac907c062440)

That was funny!  :) :) :) :)

I met some of the NYU parents last weekend. From the coaching staff, to the players, to the players' families....a program in which to be very proud!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 10, 2016, 06:21:02 PM
It is hard work just to get into the NCAA tournament in the first place. It is even harder to get out of the second two rounds. But which eight teams of the 32 left can get the job done and march on to the championship weekends?

Thursday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh chats with some of those who have already surprised and those who hope to keep their tournament dreams reality.

Hoopsville hits the air at 7pm ET. You can watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/mar10

Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Ryan Cain, Keene State men's coach
- Jim Scheible, No. 16 Rochester women's coach
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 05, 2016, 01:12:43 PM
Congratulations to Jay Wright for his first ever Division I National Championship!

Coach Wright got his start in Division III as an assistant coach at Rochester working under former coach Mike Neer.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 09, 2016, 09:46:57 AM
Washington University and Emory finished 2nd and 3rd in the final Director's Cup standings.  Chicago and NYU finished 14th and 36th to round out UAA schools in the Top 50.

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/general/2015-16/files/DIIIfinal1516standings.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on June 10, 2016, 03:18:24 PM
Bet I can guess who was first without looking!

[Guesses Williams...looks]

Yep! :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on July 02, 2016, 03:35:49 PM
MSN has reported that 2 students that went to Emory College were killed in the terrorist attack that occurred yesterday in Bangladesh. Here is a link to the story.  http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/20-foreigners-killed-in-dhaka-restaurant-terror-attack/ar-AAhTEB7?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=DELLDH
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 03, 2016, 02:46:18 PM
A terrible, terrible tragedy but worth mentioning: reportedly one of the Emory students was killed was initially released because he was from Bangladesh but he refused to leave until his friends were released.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on July 04, 2016, 03:58:08 AM
Quote from: WUH on July 03, 2016, 02:46:18 PM
A terrible, terrible tragedy but worth mentioning: reportedly one of the Emory students was killed was initially released because he was from Bangladesh but he refused to leave until his friends were released.

That student was a very brave person if that was the case. It's sad that the nations of the world don't unite and do something about the evil that ISIS continues to perpetrate around the world. How many more terrorist attacks, suicide bombers and wholesale killing of civilians, including women and children will it take until the world leaders decide on a way to deal with this. On Sunday another 125 people killed in an attack in Baghdad which ISIS claimed was their handiwork. The United Nations Organization seem like it's more inept than its ever been.   
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on July 29, 2016, 09:45:51 AM
Note from my Alaska vaca, first day. UAA seen on sweatshirts NOT for University Athletic Association, rather for University of Alaska, Anchorage, the Seawolves. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 04, 2016, 02:02:04 PM
Quote from: hopefan on July 29, 2016, 09:45:51 AM
Note from my Alaska vaca, first day. UAA seen on sweatshirts NOT for University Athletic Association, rather for University of Alaska, Anchorage, the Seawolves.

Division II WBB runner ups this past season. Saw the same when I visited Anchorage five years ago... but I didn't expect to see UAA schools.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on August 08, 2016, 01:44:34 PM
Dave: what is your take on the hiring of Todd McGuinness by Case Western Reserve?

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/index
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 08, 2016, 03:39:40 PM
I think it is a great hire. I am somewhat disappointed my alma mater didn't take the opportunity to hire him last year (though, their hire should do a very good job as well). I think Todd is a determined coach who did a lot at Hartwick despite the challenges and now enters a much more difficult conference ready to surprised. I think he will have challenges at CWR, but it isn't like he doesn't know those challenges - he's is a former assistant coach. I think CWR is in good hands, but it will take a few years for Todd to get things truly humming... maybe (heard he might already have a few transfers coming, but not confirmed).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on August 09, 2016, 05:39:27 PM
Thanks Dave...your opinion is always appreciated.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on August 17, 2016, 12:42:30 PM
Washington University Men's Basketball Opens Season with Exhibition Game at Illinois
http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2016-17/releases/20160816hmm8vl

I had heard that another game or two were due to be added to the schedule, but I did not expect to see this, though if Washington University were ever to schedule a Division I team, Illinois would be the team given the Josh Whitman connection.

I talked at length about the Bears front court and how they would be the class of the UAA in 2016-2017 provided that everyone is back and healthy.  I am not sure I can call this a good test, but let's call it a good experience.

David Schmelter, Andrew Sanders, Matt Highsmith and the x-factor Marcus Meyer.  I cannot wait for the season to start.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on August 17, 2016, 01:02:50 PM
Incidentally, Andrew Sanders went to Europe to play with a team of Division I players: http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2016-17/releases/20160805druieg
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on August 18, 2016, 09:33:53 PM
WUH... any idea on incoming freshmen?   No writeup yet, no frosh on the roster... wondering if it was a really good or really bad group and Coach is just staying mum....

More 'big' non conference games on the road than at home, but the game with IWU is always huge....

As you say, lots of size, but I worry about depth at guard.... Kucera is SO critical....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on August 19, 2016, 12:18:23 AM
There are a few freshmen coming in that could make a difference for Washington University.

Coach Edwards is turning yet again to Saint Louis University High School and Maine South for players.

Matt Nester is the Junior Bill and one of only nine players in program history to score 1,000 points.  Key to a deep postseason run that finally ended when they played Chaminade in the Final Four.  Pure shooter.

Jon Arenas hails from Park Ridge, having graduated from the same high school as Matt Palucki.  Arenas is a shooting guard who played point guard last season.  Palucki was versatile playing two positions...might Arenas do the same?

Not sure about others...I currently know no undergrads with insider knowledge though I have a few more names that I can post tomorrow.

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Depth at the point guard is the big question.

Kevin Kucera averaged 32 minutes per game last season which is slightly more than Sean Wallis, Alan Aboona, and David Fatoki averaged in their final seasons, if I remember correctly.  Kucera is absolutely critical, but last season he proved that he clearly knows the system, played under control and could run all night with the quickest guards in the league.

Peter Rankowitz offered solid minutes at the PG, but his potential is unknown to me...and he was injured for most of last season.

Matt Galik was a point guard who did nothing but win in his rural high school program, though I am not sure if he gets time this season.

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Experience was a big factor last season...the team could not close out games.  Only one returning starter...another reserve who averaged less than 15 minutes per game.  They looked terrible against Illinois Wesleyan but then almost knocked off Augustana after holding the lead for large parts of the second.  Of the 10 losses, 6 were by three points or less.

I have high hopes for this season.  Just my novice opinion, but I think Jake Knupp will have an all-conference season...maybe the best defender in the league.  I have always been high on Michael Bregman.  I hope he returns.  Clinton Hooks!  Best coach in the league...

I am going to say that the Bears will be favored to win the league or maybe a close second.  I have to think about Rochester a little.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 28, 2016, 11:18:27 AM
The floor at the Field House has been covered in plywood in preparation for the debate next week: https://www.instagram.com/p/BK51lTiBn7_/

No pre-debate shoot around for the candidates...

Questions for the debate will be chosen in part from https://presidentialopenquestions.com/

I think I'll ask: how many wins over CCIW teams will Washington University and UChicago score this year?  Looks like a mere five games on the schedule between both teams.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 29, 2016, 12:33:34 PM
Quote from: WUH on September 28, 2016, 11:18:27 AM
The floor at the Field House has been covered in plywood in preparation for the debate next week: https://www.instagram.com/p/BK51lTiBn7_/

No pre-debate shoot around for the candidates...

Questions for the debate will be chosen in part from https://presidentialopenquestions.com/

I think I'll ask: how many wins over CCIW teams will Washington University and UChicago score this year?  Looks like a mere five games on the schedule between both teams.

Better yet... will the addition of two Pool C bids in the upcoming tournament allow the CCIW or UAA to get an extra team into the tournament? And how do you feel the SOS of Wash U will influence how Mark Edwards coaches the team this season?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 29, 2016, 03:46:11 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 29, 2016, 12:33:34 PM

Better yet... will the addition of two Pool C bids in the upcoming tournament allow the CCIW or UAA to get an extra team into the tournament? And how do you feel the SOS of Wash U will influence how Mark Edwards coaches the team this season?
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+1 Way better...I am going to vote in a state that will definitely favor one candidate and I dislike them both so much that I seriously think I am going to write-in Dave McHugh. #McHugh2016
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 29, 2016, 04:03:43 PM
HAHA! Well you can also write-in Ryan Scott... who is actually on the Colorado ballot for President. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 29, 2016, 07:17:13 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 29, 2016, 04:03:43 PM
HAHA! Well you can also write-in Ryan Scott... who is actually on the Colorado ballot for President. LOL

I will gladly welcome you to the fold.  www.scottbarnard2016.com

Our slogan is "Don't Make a Difference."
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 03, 2016, 02:41:38 PM
I love the slogan!

Apparently, the Five Thirty Eight blog has Missouri swinging back to swing status, but depending on how things go, I may get on board with Don't Make a Difference.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 24, 2016, 11:53:34 AM
Washington University released the 2016-2017 roster last week: http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2016-17/roster

In 2015-2016, the season returned only one starter and one reserve who barely averaged over 10 minutes per game, but after losing only one starter in Luke Silverman-Lloyd, the 2016-2017 team suddenly looks like a veteran squad.

Two things about the returning players: Michael Bregman has apparently decided to return for his senior season after deciding to take an injury redshirt last season.  And, Peter Rankowitz is not on the roster this season after playing much of the season as a reserve point guard last season.

Thinking about the starting line-up, one would assume that we will see Kevin Kucera and Jake Knupp starting in the backcourt with Andrew Sanders, David Schmelter and maybe Clinton Hooks in the front court...who knows?

Knupp was a point guard in high school as was Matt Galik though it seems as though Knupp and his 40% from three point shooting last season will land him the starting shooting guard role.  I guess we will know a little more as early as this weekend as the Bears travel to Champaign-Urbana to take on the University of Illinois.

Incidentally, I looked at StubHub to see how much tickets are going for.  $30 per ticket to get close to where I would be if I was watching the game at home.  Parking costs extra.  I am way to spoiled by Division III to pay $30 per ticket.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 24, 2016, 02:13:49 PM
Also, it was not all that long ago that we had a guard from SLUH and a member of the Junior Billikens 1,000 point club in the starting line-up as a freshman.  Might we see another SLUH guard feature heavily in the rotation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEWcA7NwC5o
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on October 29, 2016, 11:08:50 AM
Just a reminder (WUH, have you given up on this board?)  Wash U at the University of Illinois tomorrow afternoon...

I will not make it over to Champaign on Sunday... but Tuesday it's off to Bloomington Indiana to see old favorite Hope give the Hoosiers a workout, then on Friday staying local to see Greenville play at St. Louis University....

What a great experience for 3 of my favorite D3 teams, likely a career highlight for many of the D3rs to play at a Major College venue.... In my senior year at RPI, we had the thrill of travelling to Washington DC and playing against a pre-Patrick Ewing (but preseason top 25 ranked) Georgetown team... they only beat us by 14, we really competed.. an experience I'll never forget... unfortunately our best player left 3 games later at semester break, and we were mediocre without him...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 29, 2016, 02:28:32 PM
Already mentioned the exhibition with the University of Illinois...more evidence that almost no one reads any of my posts here.

I did return today to give an update...the game requires a subscription to the BTN Plus to watch at a cost of $9.95 per month.  They will have free audio broadcast through the Bears Sports Network: http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2016-17/releases/20160816hmm8vl

It should be a great experience for everyone involved with the program.  Josh Whitman may have left for oranger pastures, but he clearly has not forgotten where he came from.  Whitman is hosting the team today at the football game today against the University of Minnesota.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2016, 11:52:33 PM
Quote from: WUH on October 29, 2016, 02:28:32 PM
Already mentioned the exhibition with the University of Illinois...more evidence that almost no one reads any of my posts here.

I did return today to give an update...the game requires a subscription to the BTN Plus to watch at a cost of $9.95 per month.  They will have free audio broadcast through the Bears Sports Network: http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2016-17/releases/20160816hmm8vl

It should be a great experience for everyone involved with the program.  Josh Whitman may have left for oranger pastures, but he clearly has not forgotten where he came from.  Whitman is hosting the team today at the football game today against the University of Minnesota.

Ugh. Is that a positive? Seems like torture to me, Illini football.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 30, 2016, 03:28:44 PM
I mean, I would not want to go to an Illini football game...

Washington University representing Division III, leading for most of the first 10 minutes.  Illinois finally moves ahead at the 12:00 minute mark, 12-9.  The Bears getting good looks, but committing too many fouls.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 30, 2016, 03:32:52 PM
Illinois leads Washington University 14-13 with 10 minutes left in the first.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 30, 2016, 03:38:37 PM
Washington University leads the University of Illinois 22-17 with 7 minutes left in the first.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 30, 2016, 04:17:36 PM
Illinois finishes that half strong and leads 40-30.

Washington University shot 42.3 percent from the field despite shooting 2-10 from three point range.  The Bears outrebounded the Illini 20-16 despite the limited play by starters David Schmelter, Matt Highsmith and Andrew Sanders who picked up early fouls.  Marcus Meyer player 4 more minutes than Schmelter.  Fouls were an issue with the Bears committing 18, though on Jack Wiernicki has more than two.

Michael Bregman got the start alongside Kevin Kucera...the only starters to play more than 10 minutes.  I said it before and I'll say it again, I think Bregman is a UAA all-conference player.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 30, 2016, 04:26:05 PM
Illinois quickly pushes the lead to 20, leads 50-30.

Bears looking completely outmanned...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 30, 2016, 04:52:23 PM
Illinois leads 69-49 with 7 minutes left.

Flashes of brilliance from Knupp, Kucera, Schmelter and Sanders, but otherwise ways too many turnovers.  Bears holding their own on rebounds with the Illini just +3.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 30, 2016, 04:59:07 PM
Illinois leads 70-58 after Washington University goes on a run.

No way he gets away with that elbow in regular season play.  Illinois using size advantage, but also getting the favorable calls.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 30, 2016, 05:07:50 PM
I think we will see a lot of this Kucera and Knupp in the back court, Bregman, Sanders and Schmelter in the front court combination, especially if Hooks shoots like he does today.

10 point game...Washington University playing like they want to win!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 30, 2016, 05:33:21 PM
Final from Champaign Urbana: Illinois over Washington University, 82-75.

Just a few more random thoughts...

Kucera played a great game today, finishing with 20 points on 7-13 shooting to go with 7 assists.  Bregman, Sanders and Knupp also finished in double figures scoring 10, 13 and 12 respectively.  Knupp featured heavily in that second half run.  He did not get the start, but may have earned that role after today.  Hyperbole alert: Knupp is an elite defender.

Washington University finished +2 in rebounds and scored 47 percent from the field despite going 4-14 from three point range. 
20 turnovers by the Illini though 27 by Washington University.  The Bears scored 26 points off turnovers. 

The Bears started the first half with a scoring drought, but played particular well in the first and last 10 minutes of the game.  Very impressive to see them fight back from a 29 point deficit.

Coach Edwards played 13 guys including freshman DeVaughn Rucker.  Kucera played a game high 34 minutes, but Knupp and Galik also played the PG for limited minutes.


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 30, 2016, 05:52:13 PM

Winning the rebound battle against Illinois is impressive.  Glad I put this team in my preseason Top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 31, 2016, 09:47:42 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 30, 2016, 05:52:13 PM

Winning the rebound battle against Illinois is impressive.  Glad I put this team in my preseason Top 25.

The Bears definitely won the first and fourth quarters, but an Illinois fan might suggest that the Illini simply let off the gas down the stretch.  That is certainly true in terms of rebounding. 

At this point, I am not sure if Coach Edwards could have asked for a better way to prepare for the season. 

The SID posted a highlight video that is worth watching: bit.ly/2eK8ni4

I think Washington University is a Top 25 team all season long and the voters clearly recognize the potential even after the Bears finished 15-10 a season ago.  The preseason poll has Emory ranked at No. 15 which may be right, but I think Rochester may be the better of the two travel partners.  The Yellowjackets received votes, but did not make the Top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2016, 11:03:17 AM
How I voted, for comparison:

Had Emory at #10 and Rochester at #25. I was leery of Wash U. 15-10 last year and still seemingly trying to find themselves. Instead of just saying, "well, why not." I decided I want Wash U to prove themselves to me. They very well could be a Top 25 team, but I need to see that instead of assume it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 31, 2016, 12:31:30 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2016, 11:03:17 AM
How I voted, for comparison:

Had Emory at #10 and Rochester at #25. I was leery of Wash U. 15-10 last year and still seemingly trying to find themselves. Instead of just saying, "well, why not." I decided I want Wash U to prove themselves to me. They very well could be a Top 25 team, but I need to see that instead of assume it.

I definitely think it is fair to expect Washington University to have to prove themselves after last season.

I do not have to explain this to you, but for any casual observers, I would just remind them that the Bears returned only one starter a season ago and one reserve who averaged more than 6-7 minutes per game.  The sophomore class had a lot of talent, but they had trouble finishing games.

They lost to Chicago, Brandeis, NYU and Rochester (not to mention Augustana) by one possession...then lost by 10 or so to Rochester and Emory before finishing the second half of the conference season with a one possession loss to Emory and then five straight wins, including wins over NYU and Chicago.

Not surprised to see you include Rochester in the Top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 04, 2016, 01:08:17 AM
Watching the Washington University-Illinois exhibition again and just a few thoughts...

A season ago, I posted after many UAA games that no one in the league was stronger than David Schmelter.  I got a reminder of that watching him battle against the 245 and 280 pounds Illinois centers.  Maverick Morgan used an elbow to back him up on at least two possessions, but otherwise...  David Schmelter brings a lot of skill (and patience) to the position as well...I'll save that for the next post.

Honorable mention goes to Sasha Sobolev who may have played limited minutes, but adds significantly to the depth of the team...

DeVaughn Rucker, a freshman guard from Whitfield High School, played a quick six minutes, and though he did not shoot, I am looking forward to seeing more of what Rucker has to offer...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 04, 2016, 06:36:37 AM
They started 10-4 last year. Then they had the brutal stretch where they lost 6 in a row, 4 by one possession. To end the season, they went on a 5-0 run. If they go 3-3 in that stretch, they're probably in the tourney last year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 16, 2016, 12:54:00 AM
The UAA goes 4-3 for the night!

Washington University barely escapes with the win over Webster, 60-59
Noteworthy that they did get a good 7 minutes from freshman Matt Nester who gave Kevin Kucera a rest, registering two rebounds and an assist.

Rochester gets the overtime win on the road at Ithaca, 104-94
Sam Borst-Smith and Mack Montague shoot for 21 and 20, 10 assists from Jacob Wittig

Brandeis defeats Suffolk, 87-79
Jordan Cooper finishes with 21 points, Robinson Vilmont has to take a lot of shots and free throws to get his 16 points, but grabs 13 boards.

Carnegie Mellon fends off Geneva, 67-66
The Tartans trailed by five with two minutes left, but then Jack Serbin too over...

Emory loses on the road to Covenant, 74-70
Emory had two players handling the bulk of the scoring with Adam Gigax shooting for 26 including a 6-7 performance from three point range.  Senior Jim Gordon scored 25 points, had 5 rebounds, 2 assists and 3 steals...Jim Gordon?  Both teams combined for 41 turnovers...did I read that right?

Chicago loses...no need to repeat the details here...

Case Western falls at home to Baldwin Wallace, 90-76
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 17, 2016, 03:56:48 PM
The opening day of the 2015-16 basketball season started with a bang. The NCAA announcing major violations by Thomas More which resulted in vacating the entire 2014-15 season including the national championship - the first time in the history of Division III basketball, men or women. Tonight on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), continuing coverage of the fallout of that decision including an exclusive one-on-one interview with Coach Jeff Hans of Thomas More.

Plus we take a look at the start of the season and talk with Claremont-Mudd-Scripps women's basketball who is no longer flying under the radar. We also talk to the Trine women who want to take control of the MIAA. Plus we hear from two men's coaches starting anew at Case Western Reserve and SUNY-Canton.

Hoopsville airs live starting at 7:00 PM ET. You can watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/nov17

Guests include:
- Adam Turer, Editor and Contributor for D3hoops.com
- Jeff Hans, No. 4 Thomas More women's head coach (exclusive interview)
- Kristen Dowling, No. 24 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps women's head coach
- Ryan Gould, Trine women's head coach
- Ben Thompson, SUNY Canton men's head coach
- Todd McGuinness, Case Western Reserve men's head coach
- Jeff Burns, Randolph-Macon athletics director (former men's basketball committee chair)

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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 19, 2016, 09:27:42 PM
Washington University defeats DePauw in Greencastle, 84-77.

It looked like DePauw three point shooting would be the story yet again but the Bears closed it out behind a career game by Kevin Kucera who scored 27 points (12-14 from the line) along with 6 rebounds and 4 assists.  Kucera is the man!

Jake Knupp and Andrew Sanders both scored 13.  Glad to see Knupp back in the game.  Matt Highsmith finished with 12 along with 9 rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 19, 2016, 11:52:31 PM
Chicago got a nice bounce-back win up on the North Shore over homestanding Lake Forest today, 78-68. Collin Barthel led the way with 20 points, while Tyler Howard had 15 and a great floor game (5 assists, no turnovers). Noah Karras and Waller Perez chipped in 13 points apiece for the Maroons, while Blaine Crawford pulled down ten rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 21, 2016, 01:08:01 AM
Prediction: Washington University, Brandeis, and the University of Chicago are all headed to Salem for the Final Four...

OK, OK, I am talking about Women's Soccer in a Basketball thread but the joke was so obvious...

AWESOME to see three UAA teams in the soccer Final Four.  Washington University plays Brandeis, a team they beat 2-0 during the regular season.  Chicago plays Messiah, the school with 8 final fours, 5 national championships and possibly a few angels down on them. 

Salem is hosting after the NCAA decided earlier this Fall not to host championships in North Carolina.
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In other UAA basketball games not previously mentioned:

Case Western Reserve is 1-2 after a 72-71 win over Trinity and a 90-78 loss to Brockport.

Rochester is 3-0 after a 71-62 win over Alfred and a 77-50 win over Washington and Lee.

NYU is 2-0 after a 78-71 win over Marywood and a 87-78 win over Drew.

Emory is 2-1 after a 100-80 win over William Peace and a 69-66 win over Guildford, 69-66.

Carnegie Mellon is 1-1 after the 66-61 loss to La Roche.

The Coaches Poll should be out this week...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 21, 2016, 02:59:14 PM
Quote from: WUH on November 21, 2016, 01:08:01 AM
Prediction: Washington University, Brandeis, and the University of Chicago are all headed to Salem for the Final Four...

OK, OK, I am talking about Women's Soccer in a Basketball thread but the joke was so obvious...

AWESOME to see three UAA teams in the soccer Final Four.  Washington University plays Brandeis, a team they beat 2-0 during the regular season.  Chicago plays Messiah, the school with 8 final fours, 5 national championships and possibly a few angels down on them. 

Salem is hosting after the NCAA decided earlier this Fall not to host championships in North Carolina.
__________

In other UAA basketball games not previously mentioned:

Case Western Reserve is 1-2 after a 72-71 win over Trinity and a 90-78 loss to Brockport.

Rochester is 3-0 after a 71-62 win over Alfred and a 77-50 win over Washington and Lee.

NYU is 2-0 after a 78-71 win over Marywood and a 87-78 win over Drew.

Emory is 2-1 after a 100-80 win over William Peace and a 69-66 win over Guildford, 69-66.

Carnegie Mellon is 1-1 after the 66-61 loss to La Roche.

The Coaches Poll should be out this week...

Per the first part, I will be on hand to call the soccer championships for NCAA.com - though, it is a little confusing if I am calling just the men's side or both sides (three games or six games). I should find out soon enough.

Per the second part, the coaches poll is in reference to what exactly? The conference coaches' poll? Interesting if it comes out after the season has begun.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 21, 2016, 10:38:45 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 21, 2016, 02:59:14 PM
Per the first part, I will be on hand to call the soccer championships for NCAA.com - though, it is a little confusing if I am calling just the men's side or both sides (three games or six games). I should find out soon enough.

That is awesome...I hope you get the call for the Women's Soccer Final Four.  I'll be watching in hopes that my team (or at least the conference) gets the win.

Brandeis is representing the conference in the Men's Soccer Final Four so that is cool.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 22, 2016, 12:53:40 PM
Quote from: WUH on November 21, 2016, 10:38:45 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 21, 2016, 02:59:14 PM
Per the first part, I will be on hand to call the soccer championships for NCAA.com - though, it is a little confusing if I am calling just the men's side or both sides (three games or six games). I should find out soon enough.

That is awesome...I hope you get the call for the Women's Soccer Final Four.  I'll be watching in hopes that my team (or at least the conference) gets the win.

Brandeis is representing the conference in the Men's Soccer Final Four so that is cool.

It appears I am calling the men's side of the tournament... but honestly, I have one person telling me that while those who directly hire me have told me something else (though, they have gotten their info wrong in the past). I might find out more later today, but I'm hedging that I am calling just the men (though, I will be there for both).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 22, 2016, 03:31:53 PM
As long as you don't get there only to find out you are not calling any of the games...

It looks like great weather in the forecast.  Enjoy the games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 22, 2016, 03:35:54 PM
Quote from: WUH on November 22, 2016, 03:31:53 PM
As long as you don't get there only to find out you are not calling any of the games...

It looks like great weather in the forecast.  Enjoy the games.

I will still send an invoice. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 22, 2016, 11:03:56 PM
Rochester defeats Hobart, 73-59.  The Yellowjackets have seen good production from the forwards so far this season after the loss of Jared Seltzer and Dylan Peretz to graduation, but this game was all about the senior guards.

I still think this is the second best team in the league this season, but time will tell.

In other news...

Case Western Reserve fell to Denison, 85-75 while travel partners Carnegie Mellon lost to Bethany in overtime, 72-67.

Chicago had a great warm-up for the weekend games while hosting Illinois Tech.  The Maroons had a host of players in double figures, but Jake Fenlon had arguably the best stat line of any UAA player tonight: 25 points with most of those coming from the perimeter (7-11) and 7 rebounds in just 26 minutes.

NYU...no one cares until the conference season begins.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 23, 2016, 03:22:59 PM
Watching Hanover vs. Washington University...
The Bears lead 20-17 with 6 minutes to go in the first half.  Andrew Sanders going to work.

Love the Hanover point guard...No 3. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on November 23, 2016, 03:30:26 PM
Wuh Washington making a good Hanover team look BAD
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 23, 2016, 03:53:08 PM

I love that No. 3 for Hanover though on paper he has not done much.  I swear he has a few more assists...but I guess he only gets credit if the final result is a basket...

Otherwise, Washington University leads Hanover, 40-26 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 26, 2016, 03:01:31 PM
Forgot to post that final score...Washington University extended the half time lead to as much as 25, giving Coach Edwards the flexibility to give substantial minutes to Matt Nester, who looks to be PG No. 2 at this point, and DeVaughn Rucker. 

Junior reserve Jack Wiernicki may not get a lot of playing time this year, but he responded to the call to play by shooting for 9 on 4-6 shooting and 3 rebounds.

The final from the Field House, 81-61.
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Chicago is locked in a title battle with Carroll.  Sophomore Noah Karras is leading the way with 14 points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 26, 2016, 03:35:23 PM
Chicago and Carroll were neck and neck for much of the second, but the Maroons are beginning to pull away, leading 82-73 with three minutes left to play.  A career game for Blaine Crawford who has 21 points on 6-7 (9-12 free throws) shooting so far to go along with 11 rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 26, 2016, 03:53:02 PM
Chicago pushed the lead to 15 before coasting to a 94-83 win.

Waller Perez, Blaine Crawford and Noah Karras finished with 24, 23 and 22 respectively.  Career games for both Crawford and Karras who averaged 5 and 2 points a season ago.
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Carnegie Mellon leads Mount Aloysius at the half, 50-29 while Emory trails LaGrange, 45-36.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 26, 2016, 05:11:53 PM
Emory eventually falls to LaGrange, 91-77.

Not the best game for the Eagles.  There were moments in the final 10 minutes in which it looked like Emory may be back in it.  The trailed by as many as 17, but were able to get the deficit down to single digits at times.

Adam Gigax hit his league leading 20 point average today while Jonathan Terry dropped in 17.  Christopher Avant and Jim Gordon continue to play relatively well after earning starting roles this season.

Emory is 2-2 on the season.

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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on November 27, 2016, 05:48:26 PM
Wash-U defeats Augustana 68-61 on the road.  Bears led by as many as 16 points in the 2nd half, before Augie pulled within 3 with :57 left.  Vikes had a chance to tie but turned the ball over in its half-court, and Wash-U made free throws the rest of the way.

David Schmelter had 13 points, 8 rebounds, and 4 blocked shots...Michael Bregman and Kevin Kucera each had 12 points, and Kucera added 7 rebounds and 7 assists.  Off the bench, Jake Knupp had 9 points and Matt Highsmith added 8.

Wash-U held Augie to 32% shooting overall (28% first half) and outrebounded the Vikings 36-34.  The Bears also shot 50% overall, including 54% in the 2nd half.

For Augie, Dylan Sortillo and Nolan Ebel each had 13 points, and Chrishawn Orange and A.J. Dollmeyer each had 10. 

Wash-U returns home to host the Lopata Classic this Friday and Saturday.  The Bears are 4-0, UC Santa Cruz 2-4, Rhodes 3-2, and Wisconsin-Eau Claire is 4-0 entering the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 27, 2016, 07:27:38 PM
Chicago whipped DePauw, 78-56, to win its home tournament and extend to 4-1 on the campaign. Waller Perez led the Maroons with 25 points, while Noah Karras had 16 and Blaine Crawford had a 15 and 13 double-double. Collin Barthel pulled down 11 boards, while Tyler Howard had a stylish 8:0 a:to ratio.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on November 28, 2016, 06:15:06 AM
Ya never know about New York City hoops...

Yeshiva 83    NYU  68               

Yeshiva came in at 1-3, NYU was 3-0.... of course, NYU wins were against a sad schedule of Marywood, Drew and John Jay
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 28, 2016, 11:04:31 AM
Oy gevalt! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 28, 2016, 12:56:47 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on November 27, 2016, 05:48:26 PM
Wash-U defeats Augustana 68-61 on the road.  Bears led by as many as 16 points in the 2nd half, before Augie pulled within 3 with :57 left.  Vikes had a chance to tie but turned the ball over in its half-court, and Wash-U made free throws the rest of the way.

Boom!

Just a few random thoughts on the game...

Absolutely no complaints other than late game free throw shooting.  The Bears shot 11-15 from the line, but four of those five misses came in the last 5-6 minutes including three front-end misses on the 1 and 1.

It was great to see Washington University close out a big game on the road.  This team is better than they were a season ago when they had a better Augustana tied with five minutes left.

My starting line-up for the next game against a UC Santa Cruz team which has less length at the guard position would be Kucera and Knupp along with Bregman, Sanders and Schmelter.  Clinton Hooks would play a few less minutes.  Matt Highsmith would play a few more minutes.

Matt Highsmith is oh so quietly averaging 10 points (60% shooting) and 7 rebounds per game in 20 minutes of play.

The answer to the question of who would back up Kevin Kucera seems to have been answered.  Freshman Matt Nester played 7 minutes with only one turnover...  Freshman Devaughn Rucker also got four minutes of playing time. 

Andrew Sanders struggled yesterday, but it looked as though he had his thumb or hand taped.

As much as I complain about the officials, I should say that I thought they did a good job yesterday.

Augustana has a beautiful campus...the football stadium is gorgeous.  A road trip to the Carver Center was on my basketball bucket list, but I did not expect such terrible weather for the drive home.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 28, 2016, 01:47:07 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 28, 2016, 06:15:06 AM
Yeshiva came in at 1-3, NYU was 3-0.... of course, NYU wins were against a sad schedule of Marywood, Drew and John Jay

NYU...LOL

The team is Ross Udine and a big batch of freshmen.

OK, a few reserves, but this is one of the bigger rebuilds I have seen since I started paying attention to the UAA.  Just a season ago, this team had the UAA Player of the Year, UAA Defensive Player of the Year and a First-Team conference player.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 02, 2016, 11:57:53 PM
Brandeis nearly gets the upset over No. 3 Tufts at home after scoring twice as many points in the second half as they did in the first.  The final Waltham, Tufts over Brandeis, 74-72.  Brandeis was coming off a 65-62 win over UMass-Dartmouth.

Rochester improves to 7-0 on the season after the win 77-66 win over St. John Fischer.
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Washington University gets the 84-69 win over UC Santa Cruz to advance to the championship of the Lopata Classic tomorrow night where they will play No. 21 UW-Eau Claire.

Washington University played a good game for the most part but turnovers were a big problem, with 20 overall for the game.  The starters were responsible for 15 of those.  The Bears were downright sloppy at times.

Andrew Sanders and Matt Highsmith were money shooting 23 and 16 on 8-10 and 7-8 shooting.  Sanders struggled from the charity stripe, but otherwise had a great game. 

Eau Claire set a few tourney records, but I swear the Banana Slugs may have set a record for on-ball screens.

Tomorrow should be a great game...still lookimg at those stats from the first game.  The Blugolds shot 72% in a game the featured 159 field goal attempts and 42 fast break points.  Eau Claire had 48 rebounds, but they were only +8.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 03, 2016, 11:09:52 AM
Very much in agreement with your assessment, WUH.  Certainly room for improvement before tonight's game vs. Eau Claire.

Sanders also had a career-high 7 steals, and Kevin Kucera added a tough double-double of 15 points and 10 assists.

Also agree that the rebound margin will be a very important stat to look at tonight.  Eau Claire's +8 vs. Rhodes pales when compared to Wash-U's +21 and +7 offensive boards vs. Santa Cruz.  The Bears improved on their 9th-best D3 rebound margin, but they will have a tough mirror-image team to face tonight, in order to extend their Lopata Classic winning streak of 35 games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 03, 2016, 04:11:00 PM
I am glad you mentioned the stats for Kevin Kucera from last night...I have really been impressed with his play so far.

Rebounds have definitely been a strength a great game on the boards may be required to cover for one of our weaknesses: three point shooting.  Our best three point shooter is not taking shots from the perimeter (averaging a little over one per game) and our second option is only shooting 25% (7-28).

I know No. 23 gives up a few inches, but I would still like to see him get in the game much earlier.  Just my novice opinion...

If we get the crowd we had last night, this game may feel a lot like March.
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Incidentally, congratulations to the Washington University Women's Soccer team who defeated Brandeis 2-1 last night to advance to the championship game in Salem.  They will yet again play the Five Times National Champions in Messiah College at 4:00 pm today.

Last year, the best goal keeper in the game worked a miracle to help WUSTL advance to the championship.  Should be a great game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 03, 2016, 08:08:49 PM
Update: Washington University Women's Soccer defeats Messiah for the National Championship after the Bears win in the shootout!  Bears win!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 03, 2016, 10:18:35 PM
Washington University leads UW Eau Claire at the half, 26-20.

If you love defense, this is the game for you...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 04, 2016, 12:17:50 AM
Washington University falls to No. 21 UW Eau Claire in the championship of the Lopata Classic, 64-50.

The Blugolds took the lead at the 6 minute mark and led by 4 points with just two minutes left before capitalizing on the Bears desperation and poor execution, pushing the lead to 14.

In the first half, Washington University played one of the best defensive games I have seen in a long time.  In the second half, the Blugolds turned that around. 

Eau Claire shot 28% from the field in the first half, but turned that around too, shooting 68% in the second half.  Washington University was unable to match that offensive intensity.  The Bears were 3-13 from three point range.  Dreadful.

The Blugold press also might have had an effect on the Bears offense.  The Bears had no problem breaking it, but lost valuable time in the process.

Rebounds were more or less even.
Turnover were more or less even.
Assists were more or less even.
Steals were more or less even.

Matt Nester may have had his best game yet and scored 5 on 2-2 shooting after only scoring on one previous occasion.  The only other positive I can think of is the fact that our Women's Soccer team won the national championship!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: dcahill44 on December 05, 2016, 11:55:06 AM
Have seen Rochester 4 times and they are legit. They have all the pieces and I think they are Top 10 in the country good. Depending on matchups a chance to be a final four contender if they stay healthy.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 05, 2016, 03:51:58 PM
Quote from: dcahill44 on December 05, 2016, 11:55:06 AM
Have seen Rochester 4 times and they are legit. They have all the pieces and I think they are Top 10 in the country good. Depending on matchups a chance to be a final four contender if they stay healthy.

I have been unable to watch them play this season because they have played 7-8 games at home and I am not paying to watch them play.

As far as match-ups are concerned, the Yellowjackets lost Jared Seltzer and Dylan Peretz to graduation leaving them a bit guard-heavy on paper, though potentially the conference player of the year and another first-time all association...

Rochester has not exactly played the most difficult schedule to date, but Zack Ayers, Tucker Knox and others have seemed to step up.  Curious on your take...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2016, 04:11:23 PM
Chicago upped its record to 6-1 by beating Kalamazoo on Saturday, 83-69, over on the other side of the lake. Noah Karras, who has improved tremendously this season, had a big 5-9 day from beyond the arc, en route to a game-leading 27 points. Tyler Howard had a really nice 17-6-6 game as well for the Maroons.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2016, 09:43:16 PM
Washington University leads Fontbonne at the half, 52-36.

I was curious about Brandeis vs. Amherst after that close loss to to Tufts but it looks like the Judges got beat by 20 or so in the road.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on December 07, 2016, 06:24:52 AM
WUH... two big positives in the Wash U vs Fontbonne box score.... the lines of Clint Hooks (he made some shots!!) and Marcus Meyer (a positive contribution may build confidence)...

You know what I mean....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 07, 2016, 10:15:12 AM
Definitely two big positives and one more...

Clinton Hooks scored 19 points on 8-11 (3-4) from the field in just 19 minutes...much improved over his 2-10 and 3-10 efforts over the weekend.  Marcus Meyer scored 8 points on 4-5 shooting...

Earl Austin Jr. said DeVaughn Rucker would be a big player at Washington University and we are beginning to see that.  Remember the name DeVaughn Rucker.
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Next up for Washington University in the non-conference schedule:

Central College (5-1)
No. 16 Illinois Wesleyan (5-1)
Ohio Wesleyan (3-3)
No. 17 Wooster (4-2)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 07, 2016, 10:47:15 AM
I had said before that the top half of the UAA rankings would look like this:

Washington University
Rochester
Emory
Chicago


But, one could easily argue that Rochester is the best team and that Chicago is the second or third best team.

Rochester is 9-0 with the easiest schedule of the four and seven of those games at home.  They will play only one more on the road before traveling to Carnegie Mellon and Case Western on January 20th and 22nd.

Rochester needed some last minute heroics to stave off the SUNY Geneseo upset bid.  Sam Borst-Smith and Mack Montague lead the league in points and field goals made and scored 24 and 21 respectively, but needed to take half of the team shots to get there.  Who will be able to slow those guys down?

An argument in favor of Rochester being the favorite is the fact that Washington University is the worst in three point field goals per game and among the worst in three point field goal defense.  The Bears front court could conceivably have career nights and still not be able to chase the Yellowjackets down.

Incidentally, Geneseo scored 18 three pointers and 9 of them were scored by one player.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 07, 2016, 08:52:00 PM
I'll mention one other name and his positive progression from last season...David Schmelter and his free-throw shooting.  Last year he was around 65%, and he was a target of other teams as a means to get the ball back without paying a penalty.  That has changed this season, with David's higher arc of his free throws and more backspin.  His free-throw shooting is now around 80%...which, if it continues, will keep him in games longer and especially at the ends of games.

I agree with the other assessments of Hooks, Meyer, and Rucker.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 08, 2016, 02:35:55 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on December 07, 2016, 08:52:00 PM
I'll mention one other name and his positive progression from last season...David Schmelter and his free-throw shooting.  Last year he was around 65%, and he was a target of other teams as a means to get the ball back without paying a penalty.  That has changed this season, with David's higher arc of his free throws and more backspin.  His free-throw shooting is now around 80%...which, if it continues, will keep him in games longer and especially at the ends of games.

Very interesting...very easy to love this junior class.

Do you get much time to scout the away games?

I was looking ahead at Central and watched a few minutes of a few games.

They have a 6-6 wing who averages 25 points per game and shoots 58% from the field (46% from three point range).  He gets the shot off very quickly and scores from everywhere.  He was held to 10 points against Coe on the road, but if you factor out the Coe and Grinnell games, he is averaging 27 points per game.  I have to think that Clinton Hooks will draw the primary assignment.

Central has three players averaging in double figures and two averaging 9 points per game with a game against Grinnell elevating those statistics a bit. 

Washington University has a clear advantage in the post.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 08, 2016, 05:39:07 PM
I try to do some advance watching of Wash-U's future opponents before they meet on one of our broadcasts, when I am not busy with other PBP assignments or preoccupied with family things.  Have not watched Central yet this season. 

The Bears have a tough stretch left to negotiate in non-conference play, before they travel to Chicago to start UAA play on Jan. 7.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 09, 2016, 12:55:13 PM
I definitely understand...

I have not been able to follow the Women's Basketball team as much since our family expansion a few years ago, but I looked today and I may be following the wrong team.  The UAA is 51-8 with three undefeated teams and three one-loss teams.  Holy cow!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 10, 2016, 04:42:40 PM
Washington University and Central College are tied at the half, 41-41.

The Bears held the lead for most of the half and pushed the lead to as high as 9 at times, but Central keeps finding an answer.  I would have thought for sure that the Bears would lead in both points in the paint and rebounding, and though the lead in rebounding, Central is scoring too easily around the basket.

Michael Bregman leads all scorers with 13 and all rebounders with 4.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 10, 2016, 04:59:57 PM
This is a very good Central team...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 10, 2016, 05:19:13 PM
As the announcer said, this game is unraveling for Washington University as Central leads 71-60.  The Dutch are playing better basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 10, 2016, 05:25:13 PM
Washington University is shooting better overall, but Central has 11 three pointers and is +9 on rebounds.  Central leads by 7.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 10, 2016, 05:44:18 PM
Central College over Washington University, 84-80.

Washington University ties the game with one minute left thanks largely to the heroics of Jake Knupp, but the Bears could not close out the game.  A Kevin Kucera three pointer had the Bears down just two, 82-80 with five seconds left, but Central made free throws down the stretch.

Contentious ending off screen...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 10, 2016, 10:55:10 PM
Looking a little closer at the Washington University loss to Central College.

Massey Ratings has Central as the No. 27 team with Washington University at No. 22.  Incidentally, Massey predicted a Central win by a four point margin.

Washington University played well overall with 6 players finishing in double figures.  Andrew Sanders had a good game, scoring 19 on 9-12 shooting along with 8 assists.  Michael Bregman and Clinton Hooks both scored 13 points.  Jake Knupp was ice cold from the field (1-7), but engineered 6 steals that keyed the late game rally.  Overall, the Bears shot 50% from the field to go with 24 assists.

The Bears had been outrebounding almost everybody (Eau Claire was +3), but got outrebounded by 14 today.  But, the statistic that surely made it a long, long bus ride home was free-throw shooting. 

The free-throws did not come free today as the Bears went 3-10 from the line including three missed front end chances on the one and one.  Yikes!  The season average (75% or so for the players who attempted a free throw today) would have covered the spread and more.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2016, 07:35:47 AM
Problems at NYU:

The New York University men's basketball game between the host Violets and Stevens Institute of Technology, scheduled for Saturday, December 10, at 1:00 pm has been postponed.

The scheduled match-up did not take place due a water leak emanating from above the court.

No make-up date has yet been announced.

NOTE: This Monday night's game between NYU and Brooklyn College will take place at the Violets' Brooklyn Athletic Facility, not at the Sportsplex on 68th Street and Lexington Ave. Tipoff is still set for 7:00 pm.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 14, 2016, 02:07:22 PM
The UAA is 43-19 with just four games to go before the Christmas holiday. 

Here is a quick look at Massey along with the current records.

No. 10 Rochester (10-0)
No. 22 Chicago (6-1)
No. 31 Washington University (6-2)
No. 43 Emory (6-2)

No. 156 Case Western Reserve (3-4)
No. 194 NYU (5-2)
No. 224 Brandeis (3-4)
No. 247 Carnegie Mellon (4-4)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 17, 2016, 09:31:48 PM
Free throws!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on December 17, 2016, 10:09:35 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 17, 2016, 09:31:48 PM
Free throws!
it was a good thing we made ours because Coach Edwards made a terrific adjust meant gettingyiur guys out in our perimeter shooters in the second half. C. Another really good IWU WashU game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 17, 2016, 10:42:01 PM
Chicago breezed past Monmouth at the Rhodes tourney down in Memphis, 93-77. Six different Maroons scored in double figures, as Noah Karras continued his torrid pace from downtown (5-9 today) en route to 19 points, Waller Perez and Blaine Crawford had double-doubles of 16 and 11 for the former and 15 and 10 for the latter, Tyler Howard came off of the bench to score 14 (and added eight assists, to boot), Jake Fenlon scored a dozen, and Collin Barthel chipped in 11 and 6.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2016, 03:48:04 PM
#Gameday as Washington University gets ready to play Ohio Wesleyan at the College of Wooster.  The Battling Bishops are ranked No. 89 in Massey and are 6-3 on the season with four consecutive wins.  The teams share two common opponents in DePauw and Illinois Wesleyan.

Game is at 4:00 pm CST.
https://portal.stretchinternet.com/wooster/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 29, 2016, 05:01:02 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 29, 2016, 03:48:04 PM
#Gameday as Washington University gets ready to play Ohio Wesleyan at the College of Wooster.  The Battling Bishops are ranked No. 89 in Massey and are 6-3 on the season with four consecutive wins.  The teams share two common opponents in DePauw and Illinois Wesleyan.

Game is at 4:00 pm CST.
https://portal.stretchinternet.com/wooster/

FWIW, both beat DePauw (WashU by 7, OWU by 13); both lost to IWU (WashU by 1, OWU by 18).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2016, 05:42:36 PM
Washington University leads Ohio Wesleyan at the half, 39-33.

The Bears are beating the Battling Bishops at their own game hitting 4-8 from three point range.  That may be the season best for a first half, but I'll have to confirm.  Ohio Wesleyan is just 3-20 (15%) from the perimeter.

Washington University led by 10 or more, but Ohio Wesleyan had their runs including a stretch in which David Schmelter missed an open dunk giving Ohio Wesleyan a chance to score their second straight layup in transition.

The Bears did play great defense overall and that defense forced a turnover with 0:05 left and Kucera was able to push the ball up the court to Highsmith who finished with a buzzer beater.

Highsmith entered the game earlier than usual as Andrew Sanders picked up two fouls.  Highsmith went to work, going 5-7 en route to 11 points.  Highsmith is missing just 40% of the time.  He is 0-0 from three point range, but I have long how he might shoot from downtown if asked to do so on a regular basis.

Bears are +10 on rebounds, but just 42% from the line going just 3-7.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2016, 06:38:54 PM
Washington University defeats Ohio Wesleyan, 82-66.

The Bears shot 33-73 (45%) from the field and registered 23 assists (second highest of the season) along with a 6-16 (37.5%) performance from the perimeter.  The Bears also outrebounded the Battling Bishops 55-35.

Matt Highsmith scored 17 points on 8-11 shooting in just 24 minutes while Clinton Hooks and Andrew Sanders both scored 16.

The Bears shot 10-19 (52%) from the line.  The season average drops to 66%.  This is a team that shot 70% from the line last season, but the average was less if do not include the work of sharpshooter Luke Silverman-Lloyd.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 30, 2016, 12:06:54 AM
Emory gets the home court win over Berry, 91-80

Adam Gigax has a career game tonight, scoring 36 on 11-23 shooting from the field including a 6-12 performance from the perimeter.  Gigax is averaging 20 points per game and is shooting 43% from three point range to go along with everything else the 6'7 forward does so well.

Senior Jim Gordon, who played barely played in his first three seasons as an Eagle, is scoring 14 points per game.  Gordon finished with 12 tonight while Christopher Avant had 13.

Emory improves to 6-3 on the season with two more games to go before they kick off the season at Rochester.
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At this point, we are just over a week away from the start of conference play and with four teams clearly in the race for the title, we will start the season as follows:

1/7 Emory vs. Rochester
Washington University vs. Chicago

1/13 Washington University vs. Emory
Chicago vs. Rochester

1/15 Washington University vs. Rochester
Chicago vs. Emory

Rochester has played all but four games at home this season and only one has required more than a 15 minute commute.  Rochester starts with an opportunity to build on their non-conference momentum and potentially let the other teams sweat it out until the last two weeks of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 30, 2016, 07:12:00 PM
Washington University vs. Wooster just 10 minutes or so in.  Worth watching.
https://portal.stretchinternet.com/wooster/portal.htm?eventId=314023&streamType=video
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 30, 2016, 07:30:45 PM
Scots lead at the half, 51-40.

The College of Wooster has three players in double figures and none of them are Dan Fanelly.  The Bears have 9 turnovers are being outrebounded.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 30, 2016, 08:39:01 PM
Overtime in Wooster.

Washington University trailed by 17, before staging a comeback.

The Bears has a chance to finish out the game up 2, but an unfortunate travel allowed Fanelly to get the game tying layup.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 30, 2016, 09:03:43 PM
Washington University defeats the College of Wooster in overtime, 94-91.

Wooster has one last shot from three to force a second overtime, but to no avail.

The Bears get the win despite the unforced turnovers in the final minute.  This was the win the Bears needed.  17 points down, but no loss of composure.  No let down after coming so close in regulation. 

The biggest difference in this game compared to the last two losses: 10-14 from the line, good for 71%...

Kevin Kucera is the man...26 points on 11-15 shooting to go along with 11 assists.

Jake Knupp had one of his best games on defense, including three steals.  He almost had two more.  He played 29 minutes tonight including most of the extra period.  Let's see more of that.  Knupp also had 10 points, including a key three in overtime.

Will Galik had the announcers looking for his name when he entered, but Galik made a name for himself tonight.  8 points in 9 minutes including 2-4 from three point range.

Matt Highsmith was a bit quieter on offense (8 points, but his defense was on the mark.

Marcus Meyer played a mere 8 minutes, but probably his best game since the exhibition with Illinois.

The Bears turned over the ball 18 times, but ending up finishing +2 on rebounds.  Wooster ended the game with 17 turnovers including a number in the last 10 minutes and overtime.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 30, 2016, 09:53:10 PM
A good weekend for sure...a couple of losses could have pushed the Bears on the Pool C precipice.

Will Galik may be a very key player for Wash-U in UAA play.  Emory especially loves the 3, and if Galik can help the Bears stay even with opponents in made 3s, that will help them immensely.

Bears have road games in their first 3 UAA contests...need the first one to go well at Chicago.  Last UAA-opening visit to Chicago 2 years ago resulted in a 63-43 loss.

It will be fun to get the UAA slate started!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 31, 2016, 02:58:09 PM
Emory loves the three for sure, but look at Chicago and Rochester.

Chicago has three guys shooting over 45% from the perimeter, with Jake Fenlon leading the way.  Averaging 42% as a team.

Rochester has taken just a few more, but is averaging 37%.  Even the starting forwards are shooting around 40%.  Zack Ayers is the new stretch five, shooting 7-17.

Statistically, our three point field goal defense is not particularly noteworthy, though I feel like we are doing better. 

Let's hope Will Galik continues to be a threat off the bench.
__________

Massey liked the win over Wooster enough to move them to No. 20 (No. 10 SOS) though the Central loss last night is not listed.

Matt Highsmith is second among the top UAA teams in scoring percentage at 64.6%.  This is just under the 65.% of Blaine Crawford.  I believe the only other play to come close to that in my 10 years was Chris Klimek, but I'll have to look. 

Highsmith is great in the low post, but most of his shots are mid-range jumpers.
__________

Definitely excited about No. 1 Babson vs. Chicago getting started here shortly: http://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/mbkb/2016-17/boxscores/20161231_7map.xml
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 31, 2016, 03:19:08 PM
I know that Chicago said no trigger warnings, but the teams are firing today.  This is a high scoring game that people should be watching.  Only 146 so far on the live feed.  Chicago leads 21-20 after 10 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 31, 2016, 03:39:51 PM
Chicago leads Babson at the half, 43-40.

Bradley Jacks with 13 and Blaine Crawford with 12.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 31, 2016, 06:19:33 PM
Babson over Chicago, 82-70.

I had to check out with 3:00 minutes left, but hopefully Gregory Sager has more to say.

I'll just say, Blaine Crawford was awesome today.  22 points and 11 rebounds.  Crawford is having a brilliant senior campaign, but this may have been one of his best games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 31, 2016, 07:30:57 PM
Crawford was the go-to guy today, and Babson's Coach Brennan knew it. That's why the Beavers had a guard pinching down on Crawford in the low post in the second half even when the ball was on the other side of the floor from Crawford. It worked, too; the Maroons frequently ran out of patience waiting for post entry clearance and just jacked up errant treys (Chicago is a very streaky trey-shooting team, often within the space of the same game; didn't seem like the South Siders could miss for about an eight-minute stretch in the first half, didn't seem like they could hit the broad side of a barn for much of the second half). The bigger problem for the Maroons was defense, however; they simply could not manufacture stops against Babson's prodigious offense over the course of the last 12-15 minutes, and you can't trade baskets when you're trailing in the low teens.

Fun, entertaining game to watch. As I said in CCIW Chat, Joey Flannery's abilities are much better appreciated live than online.

This was a good game for the Maroons to play right before UAA season starts. As good as Rochester, Wash U, and Emory are, Chicago won't see a better team in January and February than the team that they played today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 03, 2017, 07:03:07 PM
Rochester plays RIT starting shortly.

A rare opportunity to see the 10-0 Rochester online without paying for it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 03, 2017, 08:47:17 PM
Rochester escapes with a 72-71 win.

Zach Ayers draws the foul and shoots two free throws with no time left on the clock.

RIT missed a number of free throws down the stretch after leading by 10.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: PeterEscobar on January 03, 2017, 08:51:15 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 03, 2017, 08:47:17 PM
Rochester escapes with a 72-71 win.

Zach Ayers draws the foul and shoots two free throws with no time left on the clock.

RIT missed a number of free throws down the stretch after leading by 10.
That an absolutely crazy ending to the game. Not often you see a guy at the FT line with zeros on the clock to win the game. More like a shooting drill in practice haha
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on January 03, 2017, 08:54:30 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 03, 2017, 08:47:17 PM
Rochester escapes with a 72-71 win.

Zach Ayers draws the foul and shoots two free throws with no time left on the clock.

RIT missed a number of free throws down the stretch after leading by 10.

Video - https://twitter.com/IWUhoopscom/status/816460793835384832
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 03, 2017, 10:53:34 PM
I am pretty sure I have never seen that happen in a game.

Thanks for the video, Bob!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 06, 2017, 12:45:45 PM
The non-conference season is more or less finished with the UAA going with the teams going 54-30 (64%).  The conference ranks No. 8 in Massey which is considerably lower than usual.

The conference has only five teams with a record above .500 though I feel safe in saying that only four will be in contention for the conference championship.

Those five with the records and Massey Rating including:

Rochester 11-0 (No. 14)
Washington University 8-3 (No. 19)
Chicago 8-3 (No. 34)
Emory 9-2 (No. 41)
___________________
Carnegie Mellon 6-5 (No. 204)

This could be one of those seasons that goes down to the final weekend with three teams in contention.  Rochester is clearly the favorite, but it is hard to know exactly how good they are given the schedule they have played thus far.  The Yellowjackets are undefeated, but had to come behind to win a few of of those.

The Yellowjackets have a great opportunity through the first two weeks, hosting Emory in week 1 and Chicago and Washington University in week 2. 

The games on Saturday are offset by a few hours easily allowing for both games to be viewed:

Emory vs. Rochester at 12:00 EST/11:00 CST
http://www.uofrathletics.com/watch/?Live=449

Washington University vs. Chicago at 4:00 EST/3:00 CST
https://livestream.com/accounts/5795570


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 06, 2017, 10:11:35 PM
I think the first 2 weekends, spanning the first 3 games of UAA play, will tell us a lot about how the race will go...and I think it's a toss-up entering tomorrow's conference openers.

From Wash-U's perspective, it has the toughest trio of games...all on the road...against the other favorites you mentioned.  I think the game tomorrow at Chicago is a must-win, considering (a) the Bears' last visit to open UAA play at Chicago was a 63-43 loss two years ago, and (b) a win can set up a situation where the Bears could shoot for a 2-1 or 3-0 start with visits to Emory and Rochester next weekend. 

Unlike two years ago, in which Wash-U had a long holiday layoff entering the Chicago game, the Bears have not accumulated any rust this season with a tournament win at Wooster.  I have a good vibe about tomorrow's game...especially if the bench continues its production from the Wooster game.  Will Galik and Marcus Meyer could be vital contributors in UAA play...Meyer in the post to give David Schmelter or Andrew Sanders a break; and Galik serving as a third capable 3-point shooter on the floor with Kevin Kucera and Clinton Hooks.  Galik and Meyer, plus the steady Matt Highsmith, would be a nice three-pronged reserve attack.

I would be tickled pink with a 2-1 start on the road in UAA play...and a 3-0 start would make me downright giddy.  But, gotta get the first game, first...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 07, 2017, 12:00:11 AM
That game two years ago...

Washington University finished the Fall semester 11-0 before taking that 20 day break. 

17 points in the first half with only Nick Burt scoring more than 2.  The second half was only slightly better.  In the end, Washington University 20-66 overall and 2-19 from the perimeter.  1-6 from the line while watching the Maroons shot 19 free throws.

I got a good feeling about the game as well...as long as we are able to convert the three throws.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 07, 2017, 02:02:07 PM
Rochester defeats Emory, 84-54.

Emory struggled mightily to shoot the ball for most of the game and turned over the ball 19 times (Rochester was credited with 12 steals).  The Eagles had a lot of open looks from three but could not get them to fall.

Rochester only shot 29% from the perimeter, but drove to the basket and scored with ease.

The Yellowjackets had four guys in double figures including (no surprise) Mack Montague with 19 and Sam Borst-Smith with 18.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 07, 2017, 03:49:16 PM
Brandeis had a monster first half to lead NYU, 47-30.

The Judges shot 53% from the field including a 10-17 (58%) performance from three point range.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 07, 2017, 04:48:12 PM
Chicago leads Washington University at the half, 36-35.

The Bears led almost the entire way, easily winning the first quarter, with the Maroons battling back and winning the second.  The Maroons finally go the go-ahead basket with just :30 left in the half.

The Maroons shot slightly better overall with a 7-12 effort from three point range.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 07, 2017, 04:51:38 PM
WashU had a 24-12 lead early, far too many empty possessions after that...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 07, 2017, 05:31:58 PM
Down to the wire in Chicago...

Bears lead by 3 with :32...Chicago has the ball.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 07, 2017, 05:33:45 PM
No way Coach McGrath drew that play up...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 07, 2017, 05:35:52 PM
Huge free throws by Kevin Kucera...Bears lead by 3 with :26 second left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 07, 2017, 05:38:56 PM
Buzzer beater goal tending costs Chicago a chance at the overtime.

Washington University wins 70-68.

That has to be even more heartbreaking then when the Maroons got North Parked...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 07, 2017, 05:41:43 PM
Watched the replay on that...Clinton Hooks definitely got that shot off in time even if it was unlikely to go in.  Blaine Crawford reaches up and blocks the ball...goal tending.

I have never seen anything like that...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on January 07, 2017, 05:42:25 PM
That was really crazy.

I think that was the right call.  I believe the Wash U shot was released in time...and I believe it was a goaltend by Crawford.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 07, 2017, 05:46:22 PM
Absolutely crazy...

I watched that last shot about 15 times.  I am 99% sure that ball is in the air and above the hoop when Blaine Crawford blocks the ball.

I am surprised the officials had the wherewithal to make that call even after the buzzer.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on January 07, 2017, 05:49:14 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 07, 2017, 05:46:22 PM
Absolutely crazy...

I watched that last shot about 15 times.  I am 99% sure that ball is in the air and above the hoop when Blaine Crawford blocks the ball.

I am surprised the officials had the wherewithal to make that call even after the buzzer.

The only part I wasn't sure about, due to the camera angle, was whether the ball was in the cylinder or way short.  But seems like they got it right.

Somewhat surprised they called it, honestly.  Would have been real easy to find a way to just say "no basket" and go to OT.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on January 07, 2017, 05:58:30 PM
Here is the video...

https://twitter.com/IWUhoopscom/status/817867228595060738

The ball was definitely out in time.  I still can't 100% tell where the ball was relative to the cylinder, but I think they made the right call.

Also, I'd say good no call on Jake Knupp's drive to the basket.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 07, 2017, 07:44:35 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 07, 2017, 05:49:14 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 07, 2017, 05:46:22 PM
Absolutely crazy...

I watched that last shot about 15 times.  I am 99% sure that ball is in the air and above the hoop when Blaine Crawford blocks the ball.

I am surprised the officials had the wherewithal to make that call even after the buzzer.

The only part I wasn't sure about, due to the camera angle, was whether the ball was in the cylinder or way short.  But seems like they got it right.

Somewhat surprised they called it, honestly.  Would have been real easy to find a way to just say "no basket" and go to OT.

You might now the details more than me - at one point, it was still goaltending, even if the ball wasn't near the hoop, so long as it was still above the rim when it was touched.  It's the whole "on the way down" thing.  Crazy ending, though.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2017, 09:30:47 PM
I have a picture/screen grab to show it was out of his hand before the buzzer... I just have to figure out how to get it in here - never knew how.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2017, 09:39:21 PM
Here we go, I hope...

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.d3blogs.com%2Fd3hoops%2Ffiles%2F2017%2F01%2FIMG_5641.png&hash=9f36c7a18f713fb34aafa5d8bfaf6ed90a85a395)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on January 07, 2017, 09:40:34 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2017, 09:30:47 PM
I have a picture/screen grab to show it was out of his hand before the buzzer... I just have to figure out how to get it in here - never knew how.

No debate on that part.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2017, 09:41:36 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 07, 2017, 09:40:34 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2017, 09:30:47 PM
I have a picture/screen grab to show it was out of his hand before the buzzer... I just have to figure out how to get it in here - never knew how.

No debate on that part.

Quote from: Titan Q on January 07, 2017, 05:42:25 PM
That was really crazy.

I think that was the right call.  I believe the Wash U shot was released in time...and I believe it was a goaltend by Crawford.

Wasn't sure, Titan... just wanted to be helpful since I had the shot. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2017, 10:23:55 PM
Found the shot from another angle and grabbed a screen shot of the goal tending... good job by the officials, in my opinion.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.d3blogs.com%2Fd3hoops%2Ffiles%2F2017%2F01%2FChicago-Goal-Tending.jpg&hash=9d7ee089b97e9aa8735f75b57e4ada3a8cae2095)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on January 07, 2017, 10:54:53 PM
The shot had zero chance at going in...it was going to hit the front edge of the front of the rim.  But I do think goaltending was the right call.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2017, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 07, 2017, 10:54:53 PM
The shot had zero chance at going in...it was going to hit the front edge of the front of the rim.  But I do think goaltending was the right call.

Yeah... no need to jump there at all... just let it go. I have seen a lot of players who do that when the buzzer sounds for whatever reason. Just let it go.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 08, 2017, 01:15:30 AM
I think it had a low-odds chance of going in. It might've hit the front of the rim at enough of an acute angle to spin over the front and in, or to bounce on the front a time or two and then drop in. More than likely it would've hit too straight on and would've caromed right back out into the lane, but all there needs to be is the slightest of chances for the shot to go in for goaltending to be the correct call. Kudos to the officials for getting it right.

Quote from: WUH on January 07, 2017, 05:38:56 PM
Buzzer beater goal tending costs Chicago a chance at the overtime.

Washington University wins 70-68.

That has to be even more heartbreaking then when the Maroons got North Parked...

Of course. This was a league game, and the NPU game wasn't.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 08, 2017, 01:24:44 AM
The first weekend of UAA conference action is in the books with the following results:

Rochester over Emory, 84-54
Brandeis over NYU, 80-69
Washington University over Chicago, 70-68
Carnegie Mellon over Case Western Reserve, 78-61

__________

Washington University vs. Chicago was an intriguing game throughout.  The teams played evenly through the first ten minutes of the second half and were tied 51-51 when back to back jumpers by Washington University pushed the lead to four.  At that point, Waller Perez responded with five straight points and looked as though he may take over the game...  The Bears responded with big shots from Highsmith, Knupp and Hooks.

Perez did everything for the Maroons for most of the final 10 minutes, scoring 12 of his 16 during this stretch.  Noah Karras was the only other Maroon to score from the floor during this stretch, sinking two big shots, including the game tying three pointer.

The Bears shot below the average (42%), but shot better from three point range, going 10-23 (43%). 

Clinton Hooks and Jake Knupp scored 9 of those 10.  Hooks had been shooting significantly below his average from a season ago and Knupp had been passing up the three, so this is very encouraging.

I think the entire program breathed a sigh of relief when David Schmelter knocked down those first two free throws.  The Bears went 6-7 from the line today.  Kucera knocked down two key free throws at :26 to push the lead to three.

19 assists today compared to 7 two seasons ago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 08, 2017, 01:38:03 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 08, 2017, 01:15:30 AM
Of course. This was a league game, and the NPU game wasn't.

Washington University is a big time rival.

NPU is not.

But, that was just a comment made in the moments just after the bizarre finish.  Not exactly hard hitting analysis.  Not really something that needed to be addressed or corrected.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2017, 09:16:12 AM
The UAA has published a nice on Coach Edwards and Coach Neer: http://uaasports.info/sports/general/2016-17/neeredwards
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2017, 07:04:25 PM
Just a few hours from Chicago vs. Rochester and Washington University vs. Emory as the UAA moves to the Friday-Sunday schedule.  Huge, huge, huge games in both cases.

Massey favor Rochester of course with a 70% chance of a 76-70 win.  This is an intriguing match-up though with two senior guards for Rochester and two senior forwards for Chicago all playing like first-team all UAA players.

Washington University is favored as well with a 60% chance of a 72-70 win. 

Both games will tip simultaneously at 8:00 EST: http://d3hoops.com/scoreboard/men/2016-17/UAA
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2017, 08:48:42 PM
Chicago leads Rochester at the half, 45-39.

Zack Ayers has three fouls while Mack Montague has two.  Ayers is the leading rebounder for Rochester.  The Maroons have a 21-11 advantage on the boards.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2017, 08:51:14 PM
The Yellowjackets were killing the Maroons early with slips off of the screen roll, but they've gone away from that and have resorted to a bit too much chucking of 25-foot fades and contested treys. Meanwhile, Blaine Crawford is carving up the Rochester interior -- and with Ayers in foul trouble, the 'jackets don't really have an answer for him. Rochester is going to need Ayers to stay away from picking up his fourth foul early when the two teams return to the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2017, 09:18:42 PM
Washington University leads Emory, 64-50 with 4:54 left in the game, but the Eagles seem to be ready to make a run.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2017, 09:23:49 PM
Sam Borst-Smith is doing a pretty fair Steph Curry imitation tonight. Still, Chicago is up, 64-59, halfway thru the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2017, 09:27:54 PM
Emory is making that run.

66-60 with 1:19.

Emory ball.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2017, 09:32:02 PM
Borst-Smith has 32 and is 7-for-7 from downtown -- and I don't mean downtown Rochester. He's shooting them from downtown Utica.

Chicago's lead has been cut to 71-70 with six and a half to go.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2017, 09:38:39 PM
Washington University holds on to defeat Emory, 71-63.

Emory battled back from a 19 point deficit, but could not get closer than 6.  The Bears shot just 54% (12-22) from the free throw line and missed a host of opportunities late in the game, but continued to play good defense.  The Bears were finally able to get a free throw and then two more to push the game out of reach.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2017, 09:39:17 PM
Rochester now up, 82-80, with 1:50 left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2017, 09:53:51 PM
Rochester 88
Chicago 82

With 32 seconds left, the 'jackets up by two, and the shot clock winding down, Borst-Smith drove the lane. Tyler Howard got there first and was outside of the charge circle, but the baseline ref flipped a coin and it came up in favor of Ro-cha-cha. The 'jackets then proceeded to knock down five FTs to close it out. Bad call or not, though, Chicago did nothing to slow down Borst-Smith, who practically carried his team to the win with 38 points. Montague had 14 and Ayers had a dozen for the victors, while Chicago wasted a good effort from Blaine Crawford tonight (18 and 8). He was joined in double figures by Howard and Karras, who had 16 apiece.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 13, 2017, 10:11:29 PM
Very good win on the road for Wash-U, free-throw shooting troubles late aside.  Limiting Emory to 32% overall shooting and 27% from 3-point range, on its home floor, is an outstanding defensive effort.  Bears got 18 points from 12 Emory turnovers, a nice ratio of 1.5 points per opponent turnover.  A 36-7 edge in bench points is always nice, too.

Jake Knupp, one of the Wash-U reserves, had 15 points/7 rebounds/4 assists.  Another reserve, the steady Matt Highsmith, added 13 points on 6-12 shooting.

Very very important early-UAA slate game on Sunday at the Palestra...it will be fun to see who gets the upper hand as Wash-U takes a happy flight tonight to Rochester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2017, 11:05:01 PM
I like the rotation which has Jake Knupp entering the game early.

Knupp was subbed in just five minutes in to the game...though the Emory full court defense certainly had something to do with that.

He did pass up a few OK opportunities from three point range, but eventually he began to take those and make those at a 50% rate. 

Knupp became more of an offensive threat in conference a season ago.  Shoot it, Knupp!

Nice to see a steady 10 minutes from Matt Nester between his first two UAA road games.  A few assists and no turnovers.  No concerns whatsoever at the PG position.

That game on Sunday is going to be awesome!

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 15, 2017, 03:11:54 AM
Massey Ratings predictions for Sunday, January 15th:

Rochester 73, Wash-U 69 (63% chance of a win for Rochester at home--Wash-U is only 4-7 at Rochester in last 11 meetings)
Chicago 77, Emory 76 (52% chance of a win for Chicago on the road)
Carnegie Mellon 71, NYU 64 (75% chance of a win for Carnegie on the road)
Brandeis 77, Case-Western 71 (70% chance of a win for Brandeis at home)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 15, 2017, 12:27:26 PM
Rochester leads Washington University, 22-20 with 8:47 left in the first half.

Rochester needs to get these announcers head phones...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 15, 2017, 12:28:47 PM
Go to radio broadcast...much better than video call.

JC Delass is very good.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 15, 2017, 01:36:11 PM
Thanks for the tip...it is getting harder and harder to listen to these guys.

Otherwise, a quality Sunday game in Rochester.

Washington University leads 71-62.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 15, 2017, 01:43:19 PM
Emory gets the win at home over Chicago, 80-72.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 15, 2017, 01:45:42 PM
Washington University shooting 66% from the line...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 15, 2017, 01:54:38 PM
Let me hear you say yeah!

The shot heard round the UAA.

Washington University knocks off Rochester, 81-76 and finish the weekend with two big roads wins and go to 3-0 in league play while Rochester drops to 2-1.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 15, 2017, 02:01:23 PM
Highsmith jumper with 29 seconds left with the shot clock winding down was huge.  Andrew Sanders did yeoman work inside in 2nd half despite getting buzzed by Yellowjackets.  Michael Bregman had a clutch 3 as well down the stretch.

As Delass mentioned throughout the broadcast, Rochester fell a little bit too much in love with the 3s...led to a big Wash-U edge in rebounding and kept the Jackets from parlaying their edge in FT shooting fully.

Five road wins in a row for Wash-U...good robust sauce to use for some home cooking in the upcoming UAA home-opening weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 15, 2017, 02:20:13 PM
Added postscript:

Balanced scoring for the Bears:  Andrew Sanders 18, Clinton Hooks 16 (carried Wash-U early in 1st half), Michael Bregman 15 on 6-10 shooting, Highsmith 10 off the bench, and Jake Knupp added 9 from the bench.

Rochester's Mack Montague and Sam Borst-Smith had 18 apiece...SBS held to 18, on 5-12 shooting overall and 2-8 from 3-point range.  Andrew Lundstrom had 14 and Ryan Clamage 10, both off the bench, to help lead the comeback that fell just short in the final minute.

Wash-U had rebounding edges of 46-36 overall and 16-7 on the offensive glass.  That couplet of stats was the key to the win for the Bears, now 3-0 in early UAA play.  Rochester drops to 2-1.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 15, 2017, 02:39:00 PM
Did Zack Ayers get hurt? I noticed he only played 2 minutes!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 15, 2017, 02:49:04 PM
Yes, he was injured...retweaking of a previous injury.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 15, 2017, 03:10:28 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on January 15, 2017, 02:20:13 PM
Andrew Lundstrom had 14 and Ryan Clamage 10, both off the bench, to help lead the comeback that fell just short in the final minute.

Lundstrom and Clamage were great today.

Washington University was not going to let Rochester get any easy shots from the perimeter, even if the extra efforts resulted in easy looks from the Yellowjackets as they came off the screens.  I believe Washington University had three fouls behind the perimeter, but again, Rochester was absolutely going to have to win the game two points at a time.

That jumper by Matt Highsmith was big time...

For those who did not see, Rochester trailed by six points with a minute left and then scored on two consecutive possessions to bring the game to within two before Highsmith drained the shot from 16 feet.

I had been slightly critical of Clinton Hooks, but only for his shot selection.  He is taking better shots in my novice opinion.

Nice to see Michael Bregman play this way after going a bit quiet over the last four road games.

Also, nice to see Washington University continue to close out close games that they may not have a season ago.

Incidentally, 62% from the free throw line was not something to write home about, but a 62% shooting effort in two of the three losses might have been enough to turn those games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 16, 2017, 10:11:14 AM
An update of the records ordered by conference standings and then the overall and conference rankings listed according to Massey Rating:

Washington University 3-0
Carnegie Mellon 3-0
Brandeis 2-1
Rochester 2-1
Emory 1-2
NYU 1-2
Case Western Reserve 0-3
Chicago 0-3

Washington University 11-3, 3-0 (No. 5)
Rochester 13-1, 2-1 (No. 11)
Chicago 8-6, 0-3 (No. 59)
Emory 10-4, 1-2 (No. 61)
__________
Carnegie Mellon 9-5, 3-0 (No. 153)
Brandeis 6-7 (No. 207)
Case Western Reserve 5-9 (No. 259)
NYU 6-7 (No. 324)

Washington University and Chicago host NYU and Brandeis Next weekend while Rochester and Emory travel to Carnegie Mellon and Case Western Reserve.

That Rochester-Carnegie Mellon game should be the most intriguing game of the weekend as Serbin and company look to hand Rochester their second consecutive loss.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on January 20, 2017, 09:16:52 AM
Around the Nation focuses on D3 alums playing professionally, including John DiBartolomeo of Rochester:

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2016-17/going-pro-from-division-3
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 20, 2017, 03:31:31 PM
Great article about Division III basketball players who found a way to continue their basketball career overseas.

There are a few other former UAA players who are playing basketball at some level.  David Fatoki is playing in Spain and Costis Gontikas is playing in Greece.  There are a few others that had been and may still be playing, but I am drawing a blank at the moment.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 20, 2017, 04:19:50 PM
Tonight begins yet another weekend of UAA basketball.

NYU and Brandeis travel to Washington University and Chicago while Carnegie Mellon and Case Western Reserve host Rochester and Emory.

Carnegie Mellon is 3-0 with wins over the other three bottom teams...  I do think they have what it takes to beat both Rochester and Emory, though I am not expecting it.  The Tartans are a veteran squad led by senior forwards Jack Serbin and Chris Shkil.  If I did not know better, I would swear Jack Serbin has been around for six years, but that is a reflection of how good the former UAA Rookie of the Year has been.  He is averaging almost 17 points per game and 12 rebounds.

Brandeis is 2-1 with their only loss coming to Carnegie Mellon.  This team also has a few veterans including two senior guards in Robinson Vilmont and Tim Reale and junior Jordan Cooper.  Brandeis took Tufts to the wire in Boston, but I would expect them to go 0-2 on the weekend.  Vilmont and Jordan Cooper combined for 43 last year when the Judges defeated Washington University at the Field House though.


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 20, 2017, 11:38:20 PM
Washington University defeats NYU, 89-72

Definitely the worst officiating I have seen in a long time.  Everything was called a foul in the first 5-10 minutes.  No consistency after that.  The officials missed so much more.  The officiating drove NYU to a technical.  Every other game I have seen this year has had exceptional officiating.

Both teams were off to a very slow start before both teams began to find a rhythm.  NYU led by one at the half before rattling off five quick points to start the second half.  The Bears eventually broke through with 12 minutes left in the game and were able to respond to every NYU run.

Washington University had one of their most balanced scoring and balanced rebounding efforts to date.  Kevin Kucera and Matt Highsmith both scored 14 with Highsmith and David Schmelter both finishing with 7 rebounds.  +7 rebounds and 18 assists.

__________

Emory trailed Case Western Reserve at the half, but eventually getting the 91-81 win.

Chicago defeated Brandeis, 75-65.

Rochester ran away from Carnegie Mellon, 87-56.  Very impressive to see Rochester score 87 with Sam Borst-Smith and Mack Montague shooting below their season averages.  In the case of this game, 10 and 15 points respectively.  Andrew Lundstrom may have had the line of the night: 14 points on 7-8 shooting in just 21 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 21, 2017, 12:23:09 AM
Chicago trimmed Brandeis at Ratner tonight, 75-65. Aside from their usual free-throw woes and a tendency to get their pockets picked by the aggressive and light-fingered Judges, the Maroons were coolly efficient tonight, shooting 51% from the field and 40% from behind the arc. Jake Fenlon and Tyler Howard more than compensated for the fact that Noah Karras and his 14.1 ppg and 42% trey shooting was home in bed with the flu and a high fever, as each of them garnered 16 points on a combined 7-11 from beyond the arc; Howard also had six assists. Blaine Crawford also had 16, and he had ten rebounds to boot. Brandeis, which seems to be a team that's less than the sum of its parts, had only the impressive Jordan Cooper reach double figures, as he scored a game-high 21.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 22, 2017, 07:28:30 PM
Sunday scores:

Chicago 92, NYU 79
Rochester 80, Case Western Reserve 61
Emory 93, Carnegie Mellon 77
Wash U 88, Brandeis 61
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 23, 2017, 02:29:17 PM
I am a little late in posting thoughts about the Washington University over Brandeis.

Washington University came out with a very high level of energy with dissipated after the double technical foul.  Very good defense, especially on the Brandeis screens.

A big second half allowed for Jack Wiernicki and Sasha Sobolev and others to get some good minutes.  I have a lot of respect for guys who do not get a lot of playing time, but play a big role behind the scenes.

Michael Bregman had a career game scoring 17 with 4 rebounds.  Jake Knupp also scored 17 which is just under his career high of 18.  Knupp finished with 7 boards.

This team is often referred to as a veteran team.  It is true that Washington University is mostly playing two seniors and five juniors, but only two guys played substantive minutes (+10) before last year.  No question that there is value in being part of a program even when you are not in line to play, but...between the diversity of scoring options and the step up in assists (20+ on average this season compared to 12 a season ago), this is definitely a team coming that is coming in to its own.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 26, 2017, 01:55:31 PM
Looking ahead...the next two weekends will be the last four opportunities for the Bottom 4 to get a win over the Top 4 teams.

Carnegie Mellon and Case Western hosts Washington University and the University of Chicago while NYU and Brandeis travel to Rochester and Emory before the seasons turns and NYU and Brandeis get home (or quasi-home) games against Rochester and Emory. 

The best two chances according to Massey are when Brandeis hosts Emory (30%) and Carnegie Mellon hosts Chicago (27%).

If I were going to bet on an upset, I would pick that Carnegie Mellon-Chicago game because of the match-ups inside and because it would not be the UAA if crazy things did not happen on Sundays...  I am not counting out Brandeis though.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 26, 2017, 02:18:11 PM
How good is Emory? Knightslappy has them #1 in the South. Is the South that bad or is Emory that good? I wasn't sure how good Emory would be after losing Rao and Trawick.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2017, 02:42:33 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 26, 2017, 02:18:11 PM
How good is Emory? Knightslappy has them #1 in the South. Is the South that bad or is Emory that good? I wasn't sure how good Emory would be after losing Rao and Trawick.

I think there is something to be said about the South not being as strong as in years past. The SCAC doesn't have an above .500 team, I believe, with Colorado leading the way who is below .500. The SAA isn't blowing anyone away. Centre leads, but is average (on paper) at best. The USA South is interesting, but again nothing spectacular. And the ODAC is good, but Randolph-Macon isn't as good as their conference record indicates (they are good, but not like we are accustom), VWC is clearly not at the same level we are accustom, leaving Guilford to be about the only star in the conference and they already lost to Hamden-Sydney last week.

I don't think Emory stays #1. First off, their SOS while strong will come back to earth a little bit as more games are tallied. Also, I can't imagine they can get through the conference unscathed the rest of the way meaning losses will ding them up. A lot of this is why the NCAA doesn't release regional rankings any sooner than they do... some of the data and information is flawed (though, I wouldn't mind one more week).

Emory might be good, but I don't think they are that good as the ranking indicates (and I think the ranking is fair considering the data).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2017, 05:28:30 PM
All of the sudden the month of January is coming to a close! It wasn't that long ago we were watching how teams would perform during holiday tournaments and after long breaks. Now, we are wondering how most teams will weather the second half of conference play.

Thursday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave tries to take the temperature of Division III basketball. Just how good are the teams nationally ranked and near the top of some conference? Are there teams lurking who are about to emerge and disrupt things?

Of course the focus on this show will primarily be the East, Mid-Atlantic, Great Lakes, and West Regions, but there is still plenty to talk about nationwide including the common theme: upsets and parity.

Guests will include a coach who won his 400th on Wednesday, three nationally ranked teams, and seven total losses.

Dave also discusses the recently launch Hoopsville Fundraising efforts and the upcoming annual marathon show. For more information on the fundraiser, click here: https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017

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Don't forget to contribute to the new "Hoopsville Mailbag" segment. Email questions you may have to hoopsville@d3hoops.com. Dave will answer them tonight or on a future show.

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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 26, 2017, 06:21:19 PM
I would agree that Emory is good, but they are down talent-wise compared to the past few seasons. 

They looked terrible against Rochester on the road, but they have a great coach and may pick up the play before the season goes.  The last three games include Washington University and Chicago on the road with a season culminating home game against Rochester, so hard to imagine they go undefeated.

Incidentally, Adam Gigax is the all-purpose stud that he was a season ago, but he may be a free agent pick in the fantasy leagues this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 26, 2017, 08:54:17 PM
Gigax is already taken in both the Early Bird league, drafted in April, and the Futures League, drafted in December.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 26, 2017, 11:04:30 PM
Correction: tourney fantasy leagues.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 26, 2017, 11:09:25 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 26, 2017, 11:04:30 PM
Correction: tourney fantasy leagues.

He's the top guy on the team. Emory is well known. There's no way he won't get drafted if they're in the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2017, 01:10:42 AM
I am not a fantasy league guy, so sure, a second correction: even though we have no idea who Emory will be matched up against should they make the tourney, and having watched with curiosity a season ago how three Emory guys on a much better Emory team went in the final two rounds a season ago, I was crazy to suggest that he may not get drafted.  ???
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on January 27, 2017, 12:59:48 PM
I know this is not necessarily pertinent to the current season of the UAA, but I am just curious on the logistics of this league. I played D3 basketball and just recently realized how interesting and unique this conference is to d3. Colleges are located quite far apart (spanning multiple regions), especially for a D3 league. So it looks like teams have travel partners and do weekend Friday Sunday games each weekend going from one travel partner to the other. Now for the most part do teams fly to these games? How do they fund these expenses, not just travel but lodging and food for the team is very costly. I understand these are some very prestigious colleges with high tuition but does each team do a lot of fundraising or how do they make the finances work? Also how about the players, I'm sure they fly out Thursday and get back late Sunday, which makes school very tough. Although these students are very bright I am sure it gets quite difficult missing classes. How did they get to incorporate these different schools into one conference?

Sorry for all the questions but other d3 conferences really interest me and for obvious reasons this one captures my attention the most.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2017, 02:37:10 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on January 27, 2017, 12:59:48 PM
Colleges are located quite far apart (spanning multiple regions), especially for a D3 league. So it looks like teams have travel partners and do weekend Friday Sunday games each weekend going from one travel partner to the other. Now for the most part do teams fly to these games? How do they fund these expenses, not just travel but lodging and food for the team is very costly. I understand these are some very prestigious colleges with high tuition but does each team do a lot of fundraising or how do they make the finances work? Also how about the players, I'm sure they fly out Thursday and get back late Sunday, which makes school very tough. Although these students are very bright I am sure it gets quite difficult missing classes. How did they get to incorporate these different schools into one conference?

The UAA has asked basketball players to write blog posts about the travel experience and periodically I think about sharing them here.  The latest edition by NYU Senior Joe Timmes was definitely worth the read: http://uaasports.info/sports/general/2016-17/timmesblog

I can add a little from the Washington University perspective, though not as an insider...

Washington University buses between St. Louis and Chicago, Pittsburgh and Cleveland, New York and Boston this season, but schools such as Emory and Rochester do involve flights to both schools and back.  In 2016-2017, that means three flights in Week 2, two flights in Week 4 and two flights in week 7.  1-3 nights in hotels for each of the four travel weekends.

In regards to the students, there are so many great stories...

If you see what it takes to get a degree in Biology, Chemistry or Engineering and then to see a guy like Ben Hoener who is a PhD student at Rice or Troy Ruths who earned his PhD from Rice and owns his own technology company...


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2017, 02:45:21 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on January 27, 2017, 12:59:48 PM
I know this is not necessarily pertinent to the current season of the UAA, but I am just curious on the logistics of this league. I played D3 basketball and just recently realized how interesting and unique this conference is to d3. Colleges are located quite far apart (spanning multiple regions), especially for a D3 league. So it looks like teams have travel partners and do weekend Friday Sunday games each weekend going from one travel partner to the other. Now for the most part do teams fly to these games? How do they fund these expenses, not just travel but lodging and food for the team is very costly. I understand these are some very prestigious colleges with high tuition but does each team do a lot of fundraising or how do they make the finances work? Also how about the players, I'm sure they fly out Thursday and get back late Sunday, which makes school very tough. Although these students are very bright I am sure it gets quite difficult missing classes. How did they get to incorporate these different schools into one conference?

Sorry for all the questions but other d3 conferences really interest me and for obvious reasons this one captures my attention the most.

I will start that this has been the norm in the UAA for many, many years. It actually used to be larger when Johns Hopkins (Baltimore) used to have a part-time role in the conference (UAA would love to have them back; it isn't going to happen). Thus the expenses and such have been part of the annual costs across the board in the athletic departments for a long time. I bet they barely even think about it outside of making sure they have the best prices they can get.

Yes... teams fly. The only really brutal trip is when teams have to travel to Atlanta or Rochester for Friday's games and then to Rochester or Atlanta for Sunday's games. I actually saw the WashU team at NYU a few years ago for a Friday game. They then bussed up to Boston to play Brandeis on Sunday (Chicago, in the meantime, bussed down to play NYU). WashU stayed at a hotel near Time's Square... one I think they normally stay at, but certainly isn't more fancy than a hotel any of us would stay in to save money.

Remember also, traveling in large numbers will do wonders in decreasing the rates from what you or I would pay for a single room.

I am not sure if teams do fundraising per se, but I do know of many of these schools talking about the generosity of their alums. I am sure that plays a major role in expenses. But my point about this being the norm for a long time gets to the fact that these schools have been doing this for so long that they have adjusted accordingly the budgets and expectations. And the fact these schools are larger, research-based, institutions with incredibly high-standards actually helps them. They find that being in these markets (Chicago, St. Louis, Atlanta, Cleveland, NYC, Boston, etc.) allows them to recruit not only for athletics, but for the school and they get some of the best students in the country interested in attending. They then have alums around the country and the circle comes full circle.

Missing class time is minimum. They tend to travel when Thursday classes are over (for the most part) usually getting in the evening before a game. They may miss Friday classes, but if you think about the schedule that is just four a season in the second semester - if they have class in the first place. I have also been told that the professors at these institutions "get it" and don't give student-athletes that hard a time ... in fact they try and help them the best they can. The SAs are actually very well respected because they tend to be some of the top students in their class(es) and thus professors know they won't miss that much.

And for your last question, as I indicated before, these are all large, research-based, institutions. People talk about "like-minded" conferences and the UAA is the epitomy of that. It is also why they want Johns Hopkins (and the Baltimore/DC market) back in the fold. They are all like-minded in many, many ways and thus why this conference is not only so successful in many ways, but also so well respected.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2017, 02:46:19 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 27, 2017, 02:37:10 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on January 27, 2017, 12:59:48 PM
Colleges are located quite far apart (spanning multiple regions), especially for a D3 league. So it looks like teams have travel partners and do weekend Friday Sunday games each weekend going from one travel partner to the other. Now for the most part do teams fly to these games? How do they fund these expenses, not just travel but lodging and food for the team is very costly. I understand these are some very prestigious colleges with high tuition but does each team do a lot of fundraising or how do they make the finances work? Also how about the players, I'm sure they fly out Thursday and get back late Sunday, which makes school very tough. Although these students are very bright I am sure it gets quite difficult missing classes. How did they get to incorporate these different schools into one conference?

The UAA has asked basketball players to write blog posts about the travel experience and periodically I think about sharing them here.  The latest edition by NYU Senior Joe Timmes was definitely worth the read: http://uaasports.info/sports/general/2016-17/timmesblog

I can add a little from the Washington University perspective, though not as an insider...

Washington University buses between St. Louis and Chicago, Pittsburgh and Cleveland, New York and Boston this season, but schools such as Emory and Rochester do involve flights to both schools and back.  In 2016-2017, that means three flights in Week 2, two flights in Week 4 and two flights in week 7.  1-3 nights in hotels for each of the four travel weekends.

In regards to the students, there are so many great stories...

If you see what it takes to get a degree in Biology, Chemistry or Engineering and then to see a guy like Ben Hoener who is a PhD student at Rice or Troy Ruths who earned his PhD from Rice and owns his own technology company...

Troy Ruths won two national championships and I think was the MOP of at least one of those title runs.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on January 27, 2017, 02:52:48 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2017, 02:45:21 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on January 27, 2017, 12:59:48 PM
I know this is not necessarily pertinent to the current season of the UAA, but I am just curious on the logistics of this league. I played D3 basketball and just recently realized how interesting and unique this conference is to d3. Colleges are located quite far apart (spanning multiple regions), especially for a D3 league. So it looks like teams have travel partners and do weekend Friday Sunday games each weekend going from one travel partner to the other. Now for the most part do teams fly to these games? How do they fund these expenses, not just travel but lodging and food for the team is very costly. I understand these are some very prestigious colleges with high tuition but does each team do a lot of fundraising or how do they make the finances work? Also how about the players, I'm sure they fly out Thursday and get back late Sunday, which makes school very tough. Although these students are very bright I am sure it gets quite difficult missing classes. How did they get to incorporate these different schools into one conference?

Sorry for all the questions but other d3 conferences really interest me and for obvious reasons this one captures my attention the most.

I will start that this has been the norm in the UAA for many, many years. It actually used to be larger when Johns Hopkins (Baltimore) used to have a part-time role in the conference (UAA would love to have them back; it isn't going to happen). Thus the expenses and such have been part of the annual costs across the board in the athletic departments for a long time. I bet they barely even think about it outside of making sure they have the best prices they can get.

Yes... teams fly. The only really brutal trip is when teams have to travel to Atlanta or Rochester for Friday's games and then to Rochester or Atlanta for Sunday's games. I actually saw the WashU team at NYU a few years ago for a Friday game. They then bussed up to Boston to play Brandeis on Sunday (Chicago, in the meantime, bussed down to play NYU). WashU stayed at a hotel near Time's Square... one I think they normally stay at, but certainly isn't more fancy than a hotel any of us would stay in to save money.

Remember also, traveling in large numbers will do wonders in decreasing the rates from what you or I would pay for a single room.

I am not sure if teams do fundraising per se, but I do know of many of these schools talking about the generosity of their alums. I am sure that plays a major role in expenses. But my point about this being the norm for a long time gets to the fact that these schools have been doing this for so long that they have adjusted accordingly the budgets and expectations. And the fact these schools are larger, research-based, institutions with incredibly high-standards actually helps them. They find that being in these markets (Chicago, St. Louis, Atlanta, Cleveland, NYC, Boston, etc.) allows them to recruit not only for athletics, but for the school and they get some of the best students in the country interested in attending. They then have alums around the country and the circle comes full circle.

Missing class time is minimum. They tend to travel when Thursday classes are over (for the most part) usually getting in the evening before a game. They may miss Friday classes, but if you think about the schedule that is just four a season in the second semester - if they have class in the first place. I have also been told that the professors at these institutions "get it" and don't give student-athletes that hard a time ... in fact they try and help them the best they can. The SAs are actually very well respected because they tend to be some of the top students in their class(es) and thus professors know they won't miss that much.

And for your last question, as I indicated before, these are all large, research-based, institutions. People talk about "like-minded" conferences and the UAA is the epitomy of that. It is also why they want Johns Hopkins (and the Baltimore/DC market) back in the fold. They are all like-minded in many, many ways and thus why this conference is not only so successful in many ways, but also so well respected.

Thanks for such a great response Dave and WUH, really answered a lot of my questions! I just find it so different than my d3 experience and am fascinated by it. Sounds like a very fun league for both academics and athletics. Sure sounds like they get it, especially with the players blog they post weekly.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on January 27, 2017, 03:03:22 PM
I knew all of these schools were very good academically but I didn't realize that they are all ranked in the top 40 by USNews! What an accomplishment, and yes I fully understand why the UAA would want John Hopkins back. Really enjoyed reading the blurbs on each school.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities (http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2017, 04:53:35 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2017, 02:45:21 PM
Missing class time is minimum. They tend to travel when Thursday classes are over (for the most part) usually getting in the evening before a game. They may miss Friday classes, but if you think about the schedule that is just four a season in the second semester - if they have class in the first place.

The UAA teams are often on the road before classes begin on Thursday.

Most of our departments in Arts and Sciences and Business offer classes Monday-Thursday, but if you are in Biology, Chemistry, Engineering and some others, Thursday and Friday away is tough.  They almost have to serious summer coursework.

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2017, 02:45:21 PM
Troy Ruths won two national championships and I think was the MOP of at least one of those title runs.

Ruths led the team to one national championship in 2008 and was awarded the Josten's Trophy, but he also led the team to 3rd place in 2007.  If you think about how the basketball teams are playing through final exams in the Fall and then have the potential to play through the end of March, definitely very tough.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 27, 2017, 04:55:29 PM
What D-Mac didn't mention, Smitty, is that the eight UAA schools are each richer than Croesus with regard to their endowments. All eight of them have endowments of over a billion dollars, and several of them have multi-billion-dollar endowments. They don't need to hold spaghetti-dinner fundraisers or sell raffle tickets at football games in order to fund the plane and hotel fares.

Also, at least some of the schools have proctors assigned to the teams that enable the student-athletes to take tests and quizzes while on the road, when permitted by the instructors.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2017, 05:17:33 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on January 27, 2017, 02:52:48 PM
I just find it so different than my d3 experience and am fascinated by it. Sounds like a very fun league for both academics and athletics. Sure sounds like they get it, especially with the players blog they post weekly.

By the way, I thought about playing tennis at a local Division III and that was as close as I came.  As excited as I get about the UAA, I respect everyone who plays the college game whether their conference rivals are across town or across the country.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2017, 05:35:48 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 27, 2017, 04:55:29 PM
All eight of them have endowments of over a billion dollars, and several of them have multi-billion-dollar endowments. They don't need to hold spaghetti-dinner fundraisers or sell raffle tickets at football games in order to fund the plane and hotel fares.

Washington University has the second largest endowment in the conference (almost $7,000,000,000) but as with most UAA schools, the vast majority of the money is restricted.  It is so much easier to ask for a donor to endow a professorship then to cover travel expenses.  Even the $50 donations usually comes in with restrictions.  I know you already know that, but I am clarifying for others.

Believe it or not, the teams do low-level fundraisers.  Men's Soccer, for example, delivers mulch and compost.

The Athletic Department has traditionally run a lean operation, though that may have changed over the last few years.  The local paper cited the department budget at 6 million and said that the average for a Division III team with a football program was about 3 million.  Travel is a big part of the difference when you add in all the sports.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 27, 2017, 07:48:50 PM
Right. I wasn't implying that the CFOs of the eight UAA schools hand their ADs blank checkbooks every year. As far as I can tell, UAA programs don't have lots of non-travel-related bells and whistles that other D3 programs lack. The wealth of each of the UAA schools simply allows them to knit together by air travel a league of like-minded institutions, in spite of the fact that it covers D1-style geographical distances.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2017, 08:25:56 PM
10 minutes in to the first half at Carnegie Mellon and it may be time to call an upset alert.  Washington University cannot score to save their life.  Tartans lead 17-7.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2017, 08:48:30 PM
Washington University finally finds some offense.

The Bears lead the Tartans in the half, 26-23.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2017, 08:52:10 PM
Both Case Western and Brandeis lead at the half!

43-31 in the case of the Judges...
41-37 in the case of the Spartans...

This will happen eventually...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: 4samuy on January 27, 2017, 09:07:51 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 27, 2017, 08:48:30 PM
Washington University finally finds some offense.

The Bears lead the Tartans in the half, 26-23.

This is an awful basketball game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 27, 2017, 10:12:59 PM
Jake Fenlon hit a trey at the buzzer to give Chicago a 74-72 victory in Cleveland over Case Western Reserve, a victory that, quite frankly, the Maroons didn't deserve.

They took a one-point lead on a Waller Perez layup off the glass with 13 seconds left, and then surrendered an open jumper from the free-throw line to CWRU's David Black with four seconds remaining. The Maroons then got the ball to the frontcourt in a pass that took nine-tenths of a second off of the clock, ran a perfect backdoor screen play that resulted in a Blaine Crawford dunk in the space of barely a second -- and had it waved off because somebody with the Maroons entourage (couldn't tell who) called a timeout that nullified the play. Fortunately for the visitors, on the ensuing inbound they got the ball into Fenlon's hands, and he drained the game-winner just before the buzzer went off.

I say that the Maroons didn't deserve the win because of how absolutely abysmal they were at the line. I've noted several times how poorly Chicago shoots FTs -- 62% as a team coming into the game -- but tonight the South Siders totally bottomed out at the line to the tune of 11-32 (34%). I'm sorry, but if you make barely a third of your free throws, in spite of the fact that you're at the line a whopping 32 times, then you deserve to lose.

To Chicago's credit, the Maroons did wear down the gritty but undermanned Spartans in the paint, and that was a big key to the game. CWRU has a couple of fairly decent bigs in T.J. Duckett and Eric Black, and the Maroons attacked them early and often, to the point where both Spartans bigs had fouled out with three and a half minutes left. Even before that, the foul trouble on Duckett and Black had really opened things underneath the basket for Crawford, Collin Barthel, and (especially) Perez to do damage. Chicago outrebounded CWRU by twelve, and had a huge 21-8 advantage on the offensive glass that really spelled the difference in the game.

Kudos to Chicago for coming back from a fourteen-point first-half deficit (the Maroons missed their first seven treys of the ballgame, eventually shooting 32% from downtown), but they must've headed into the locker room wondering just how they managed to pull out that win in spite of that truckload of clanked freebies.

Perez led the way with 17 and 6, Tyler Howard had a quietly solid 12-5-7 night, the big hero Fenlon finished with 11 points, and Crawford had a 10 and 14 double-double. Barthel had nine boards as well. For the Spartans, Colin Zucker had 14 and six assists, Duckett fouled out with 14 and seven caroms, Sam Hanson scored a dozen, and reserves Eric Black and Connor Nally had 11 and 10 points, respectively. David Black contributed eight boards to the losing cause.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2017, 10:15:01 PM
Emory fends of the upset bid by Brandeis with a big performance in overtime. 

The final score: 94-85.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2017, 10:30:09 PM
So, no upsets tonight with Washington University, Rochester, Chicago and Emory getting wins.

Not much to say about that Washington University win over Carnegie Mellon, 70-47.

An awful game indeed in the first with both teams unable to score.  Unfortunately, for the Tartans, the poor shooting continued in to the second half.  The Serbinator did not play in the first half, but he did play a subdued 18 minutes in the second.

As far as the Bears were concerned, they ended up shooting a mediocre 5-22 from the three point line, but I think they might have been 0-15 before they started hitting.  They were not rushing the shot either...  They had 48 rebounds (+8), but should have had more.  Andrew Sanders had a big game, scoring 22 with 12 of those coming from the charity stripe.  David Schmelter finished with 10 and 10 rebounds.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 27, 2017, 11:54:36 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 27, 2017, 10:15:01 PM
Emory fends of the upset bid by Brandeis with a big performance in overtime. 

The final score: 94-85.

Yeah, down 12 at halftime, I was a bit worried for Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 28, 2017, 12:18:19 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 27, 2017, 11:54:36 PM
Yeah, down 12 at halftime, I was a bit worried for Emory.

I am convinced that Brandeis or Carnegie Mellon are going to get a win against someone in the Top 4.  I just hope it is not my team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 28, 2017, 01:11:56 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 28, 2017, 12:18:19 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 27, 2017, 11:54:36 PM
Yeah, down 12 at halftime, I was a bit worried for Emory.

I am convinced that Brandeis or Carnegie Mellon are going to get a win against someone in the Top 4.  I just hope it is not my team.

Emory may be my adopted team since I have Gigax in one league and Chris Avant in another futures/early bird league.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 29, 2017, 08:47:43 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 28, 2017, 01:11:56 PM
Emory may be my adopted team since I have Gigax in one league and Chris Avant in another futures/early bird league.  ;D

Definitely a smart regular season call.

It is interesting...if you go back and look at the high school stats for Adam Gigax, there is no way to predict that he might be one of the best in the league.  He averaged 5 points per game his senior season, for example, though I guess he had a few Division I bound teammates.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 29, 2017, 11:47:35 AM
Washington University vs. Case Western Reserve is about to ready to tip.  The Rough Riders will be wearing one to best basketball jerseys I have ever seen.  They will also be playing in Adelbert Gymnasium which opened in 1919.

Live Stream: http://case.edu/livestream/athletics/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3Wcha1XUAEUotw.jpg)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 29, 2017, 12:51:10 PM
Wash-U ahead 44-40 at halftime after leading by as many as 16 points in the first half.  Bears very much missed the presence of Matt Highsmith, who is in street clothes and not playing today.  With him off the bench, I think they keep a lead in double-digits.

It will be interesting with a very short bench how the Bears fare in the 2nd half, especially if foul trouble erupts around them.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 29, 2017, 02:38:17 PM
Carnegie Mellon beat Chicago in Pittsburgh, 89-80. The Maroons cut a 19-point deficit early in the second half down to two points with 8:05 to go, but the Tartans then responded with a ten-point run of their own to salt it away. Jack Serbin had 22 and 11 for CMU, and was joined in double figures by Ryan Maha, who scored 20, and Seth Henry, who added a 12 and 10 double-double. Chicago was paced by Jake Fenlon, who hoisted up a prodigious 21 trey attempts today; he made ten of them for 30 points. Waller Perez added 13 and seven, and Blaine Crawford scored 11 for the Maroons, who now will likely have to run the table over their next seven games to have any hope of reaching postseason play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 29, 2017, 02:55:11 PM
Carnegie Mellon is too talented not to get a big win in the league. They are a threat to get a few more.  Congratulations to the Serbinator and the Tartans.
__________

Rochester defeats NYU in a relatively low scoring affair.  NYU is showing promise in what is seriously the biggest UAA rebuild I have ever seen.
__________

Emory gets the win over Brandeis, 84-75 thanks largely to the 27 point, 10 rebound performance of Adam Gigax.  5-10 from three point range.
__________

Washington University fends off Case Western Reserve, 88-77 after a red hot start which included a 16 point lead.  The Bears made 11 of their first 12 shots and shot 68 overall in the first quarter, but they cooled off significantly in the second half shooting a mere 36 percent.  The Bear shot just 21 percent from the perimeter.

The Spartans, on the other hand, used the three point shot to stay in the game.  Three point shooting and the 21 point performance by T.J. Duckett who gave the Bears front court fits.

The rest of the stats looked good including the 22 assists.  Kevin Kucera dished out 8 of those including a few highlight reel passes to Andrew Sanders who finished a career high 30 points.  Sanders has a shot at player of the week honors but may be edged out by Gigax who finished with three more points, but needed an extra period to do it.  It is not often the league leading team has no player of the week honors, but alas...

The fact that Matt Highsmith did not play is a concern.  As Coach Edwards always says, this team has 7 starters and the loss of Highsmith would be as big as any.  Let's see...

Incidentally, Washington University ranks 3rd nationally in assists to turnovers according to the last set of stats.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 29, 2017, 03:24:10 PM
We have officially reached the half-way point in league play and so a quick look at the standings...

7-0 Washington University
6-1 Rochester
5-2 Emory
4-3 Carnegie Mellon
3-4 Chicago

I'll say this now because I may lose my chance to say it, but this is more or less how I predicted it early on.  Well, I had Chicago in fourth, but I think the Maroons will move back in to fourth next weekend.

I am going to go ahead and say that this is a three-team race.  Three teams would have to experience too many let-downs for Carnegie Mellon and Chicago to have a chance even if it is technically possible.  Carnegie Mellon and Chicago are playing for spoiler status.

Weekend No. 5 will feature the top 4 and bottom 4 with Carnegie Mellon and Case Western Reserve at Washington University and Chicago with Rochester and Emory on the road at NYU and Brandeis.

THEN, WEEKEND NO. 6 MAY DECIDE THE CONFERENCE with Emory and Rochester traveling to Washington University and Chicago.

Weekend No. 7 has Washington University and Chicago on the road at Brandeis and NYU with Rochester and Emory serving as hosts to Carnegie Mellon and Case Western Reserve.

Weekend No. 8 has Washington University and Emory at home against Chicago and Rochester...possibly for all the UAA marbles.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on January 30, 2017, 12:03:38 AM
Is the UAA the conference that does no postseason tournament?

EDIT: I just looked it up... It does have the Ivy League type of AQ. Makes sense with this league, although a neutral site for a whole tournament or final four would be very fun as well!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2017, 12:43:46 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on January 30, 2017, 12:03:38 AM
Is the UAA the conference that does no postseason tournament?

EDIT: I just looked it up... It does have the Ivy League type of AQ. Makes sense with this league, although a neutral site for a whole tournament or final four would be very fun as well!

The UAA is the only conference in the entire NCAA who does not have a basketball tournament to determine an AQ. Ivy used to be as well, but this year debuts their first-ever tournament.

As we have discussed on Hoopsville the last two shows, while the idea is nice... it is rather complicated for this conference. Not going to happen at least in the short-term.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 30, 2017, 11:07:57 AM
In my time following the league, the UAA has had a championship game of sorts in Women's Basketball between Washington University and Chicago.  The winner decided the champion...or at least would gave forced a coin toss if Chicago had won.  That was a great season. 

I follow the UAA student newspapers and periodically, they write on the subject of a conference tournament.  I looked through my bookmarks to find what I thought was the best student perspective on the matter.  The author even referenced D3Hoops.com.

I do not agree with everything, in general, I agree and have grown to love it the way the UAA decides it.

https://www.chicagomaroon.com/2010/02/26/would-a-uaa-tournament-build-suspense-or-simply-undermine-the-regular-season/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 30, 2017, 06:24:37 PM
The UAA announced co-players of the week including both Andrew Sanders and Adam Gigax: http://bearsports.wustl.edu/general/2016-17/releases/20170130ofamer
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 03, 2017, 09:37:21 PM
Washington University leads Carnegie Mellon at the half, 46-30.

There is something in the air tonight in the Field House.  Very physical...the game has a bad blood feel to it.

You got the Serbinator starring down the Washington bench.  Elbows being thrown.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 03, 2017, 09:39:47 PM
Looks like Brandeis may get their upset tonight against Emory...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 03, 2017, 09:46:44 PM
Brandeis gets the upset over Emory, 67-59.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 03, 2017, 11:36:31 PM
Washington University gets the season sweep over Carnegie Mellon, 93-80.

This game was hard fought and won...the Tartans had every intention of winning this game, but the Bears were just too much tonight.

The Bears shot a season high 59% from the field with 18 assists.  Kevin Kucera finished with 10 highlight reel assists and 10 points.  Andrew Sanders and Matt Highsmith were playing out of their minds tonight.  Their aggressive play resulted in a host of early fouls for the Tartans.  Let's see more of that.

Andrew Sanders finished with the double-double, scoring 26 points and 10 rebounds while Highsmith finished with 18 points (10-11 from the line).  Michael Bregman and Jake Knupp also finished in double figures.

I am not sure Carnegie Mellon has the personnel to run the full court press on nearly ever play.  They would have to shoot way better than the 45% they shot tonight.  The Tartans finished with 5 guys in double figures including a 18 point, 8 rebound performance from the Serbinator.
__________

I'll just borrow this from the Rochester press release: Rochester Rolls to 101-58 Win Over NYU.  Not much more needs to be said other than Rochester shot 58% from the field and 55% (12-22) from three point range. 
__________

Brandeis gets the upset win over Emory, 67-59. 

A week ago, Emory chased down Brandeis in regulation and took over in overtime.  Brandeis never let the Eagles back in this game.  Not a great shooting night for either team...Jordan Cooper scored 28 points for the Judges.  Emory struggled with fouls...both Adam Gigax and Christopher Avant fouled out. 
__________

Chicago destroyed Case Western Reserve, 99-73.

Noah Karras scored 39 points on 12-17 shooting including an 11-14 effort from three point range.  Who is this kid who barely played a season ago as a freshman, but is now averaging over 13 points per game?

That three point shooting performance from Karras helped the Maroons finish with a 59% average from the perimeter.  56% overall.

I guess a few others guys played as well, though curiously, neither Blaine Crawford nor Collin Barthel played tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue_jays on February 03, 2017, 11:56:54 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 03, 2017, 11:36:31 PM
Washington University gets the season sweep over Carnegie Mellon, 93-80.

This game was hard fought and won...the Tartans had every intention of winning this game, but the Bears were just too much tonight.

The Bears shot a season high 59% from the field with 18 assists.  Kevin Kucera finished with 10 highlight reel assists and 10 points.  Andrew Sanders and Matt Highsmith were playing out of their minds tonight.  Their aggressive play resulted in a host of early fouls for the Tartans.  Let's see more of that.

Andrew Sanders finished with the double-double, scoring 26 points and 10 rebounds while Highsmith finished with 18 points (10-11 from the line).  Michael Bregman and Jake Knupp also finished in double figures.

I am not sure Carnegie Mellon has the personnel to run the full court press on nearly ever play.  They would have to shoot way better than the 45% they shot tonight.  The Tartans finished with 5 guys in double figures including a 18 point, 8 rebound performance from the Serbinator.
__________

I'll just borrow this from the Rochester press release: Rochester Rolls to 101-58 Win Over NYU.  Not much more needs to be said other than Rochester shot 58% from the field and 55% (12-22) from three point range. 
__________

Brandeis gets the upset win over Emory, 67-59. 

A week ago, Emory chased down Brandeis in regulation and took over in overtime.  Brandeis never let the Eagles back in this game.  Not a great shooting night for either team...Jordan Cooper scored 28 points for the Judges.  Emory struggled with fouls...both Adam Gigax and Christopher Avant fouled out. 
__________

Chicago destroyed Case Western Reserve, 99-73.

Noah Karras scored 39 points on 12-17 shooting including an 11-14 effort from three point range.  Who is this kid who barely played a season ago as a freshman, but is now averaging over 13 points per game?

That three point shooting performance from Karras helped the Maroons finish with a 59% average from the perimeter.  56% overall.

I guess a few others guys played as well, though curiously, neither Blaine Crawford nor Collin Barthel played tonight.

Karras was a stud recruit, just had to bide his time for the first year especially on a veteran-laden squad. Everyone knew going in he is a Division I shooting talent.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 04, 2017, 12:30:47 AM
Quote from: blue_jays on February 03, 2017, 11:56:54 PM
Karras was a stud recruit, just had to bide his time for the first year especially on a veteran-laden squad. Everyone knew going in he is a Division I shooting talent.

Oh, I did my homework on Karras a season ago.  It is easy to find stories on Chicago-area players.  But, 38 points is John Di Bartolomeo territory. 11 three pointers is a school record.  Like, the next Matt Johnson territory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 04, 2017, 12:55:22 AM
This sport is funny sometimes. A week ago a full-strength Chicago squad had to come from behind to beat struggling Case Western Reserve in the final seconds in Cleveland. And then tonight, with four starters (Tyler Howard, Blaine Crawford, Waller Perez, and Collin Barthel) and a couple of reserve upperclassmen on the bench in maroon polos and khakis serving a one-game suspension for breaking team rules, a depleted Maroons squad featuring mostly underclassmen guards blows the Spartans right out of the water, 99-73.

First things first, since people are already talking about Noah Karras's performance. He broke the UAA record for most treys made in a game that was set by Wash U's Alan Aboona four seasons ago, as he hit 11 of 14 from beyond the arc en route to amassing 39 points. What was really impressive about that total was that most of those eleven makes were from the 23' to 25' range. He was in Steph Curry Land tonight.

Karras was hardly the only Maroon who had a great night tonight. With the team missing most of its size, Ryan Jacobson stepped up and had a career night, registering a 14 and 13 double-double, as he made six of eight from the field. He not only was a force underneath the basket, he also did a really nice job of taking CWRU star center T.J. Duckett off of the dribble. Jake Fenlon had a really solid 12-5-6, Justin Jackson did about as well as could be expected in guarding Duckett and also contributed 11 points at the other end, and Jordan Baum had 10 points and seven assists.

CWRU, which was also down a player (top reserve Eric Black was a no-show; he wasn't even on the bench), threw a whole fistful of different defensive looks at the Maroons tonight -- 2-3 zone, 3-2 zone, man, even a diamond press at one point -- and nothing worked. Aside from perpetual motion machine Javier Alvarez and the sneaky-good Colin Zucker, the Spartans looked like a team that had just feasted on deep-dish before showing up for the shootaround. At the other end of the floor, they had sucess early in pounding the ball inside to Duckett and David Black, but for some unknown reason they went away from that and decided to get into a game of H-O-R-S-E with the Maroons that they were bound to lose. How any team that is facing a smallish and inexperienced opponent ends up attempting 27 treys rather than throwing the ball into Duckett on every possession escapes me. Duckett did lead CWRU with a 25 and 10 double-double, and Zucker contributed 24, both of them registering career scoring highs. Alvarez dished out six dimes and had three steals.

Quote from: WUH on February 03, 2017, 11:36:31 PMWho is this kid who barely played a season ago as a freshman, but is now averaging over 13 points per game?

Karras is hardly an unknown quantity, at least among those of us who track Chicagoland high-school basketball. He had a large number of D3 schools after him his senior year at Lake Forest.

Quote from: blue_jays on February 03, 2017, 11:56:54 PM
Karras was a stud recruit, just had to bide his time for the first year especially on a veteran-laden squad. Everyone knew going in he is a Division I shooting talent.

Shooting is shooting. D1 shooters are not necessarily better than D3 shooters; shooting percentages are pretty much the same across all three divisions. Karras does not have a D1 overall game or D1 athleticism, so he wouldn't be getting many open looks in a D1 uniform. But he's already on his way to becoming a great D3 player.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 04, 2017, 10:49:22 AM
Can we get a third poster to say that Noah Karras was known around Chicagoland?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on February 04, 2017, 12:19:56 PM
Lara's was known around Chicagoland  :( ;D. With his shooting ability a lot of schools would have attempted recruitment.  But as Greg noted, not a complete player to make D1 which as the saying goes "there is a reason why a player with talent is D3"
You often see a player "grow into D1 abilities"  which is why you often see players blossom as sophomores or juniors.  On the other hand, we all know players in D3 who have the skills to play D1 but not the size.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 04, 2017, 12:29:33 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 04, 2017, 10:49:22 AM
Can we get a third poster to say that Noah Karras was known around Chicagoland?

Sorry, WUH, but I was typing my report when your second post came out that made it clear that your original question was rhetorical.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 04, 2017, 01:46:36 PM
Very enjoyable topics covered this morning and afternoon!

I would think the Chicago benched starters learned a valuable lesson last night...you can be replaced.  Especially in basketball programs that continually gather good young talent from year to year.  At least for last night, the phrase "addition by subtraction" rang true in that situation.

I'd like to see the d3hoops writers collaborate and develop a story on the best reserve-player tandems in D3 basketball.  Wash-U's Matt Highsmith and Jake Knupp are vital to Wash-U's success, and it would be fun to read about other tandems across the country.

I am also enjoying the good shot selection that Michael Bregman is using.  A temptation for guards would be to launch 3s ad nauseum, especially if the first 3-point attempt is successful.  Bregman has learned that he is more effective in the mid-range area...like a football wide receiver finding a soft spot in a zone defense and gobbling up passes.  Last night, Michael made his lone 3-point attempt, but his 4 other baskets were short jumpers in or just outside of the lane, in the 8-12 foot range.  He finished 5-for-8 from the field and had 13 points. 

Bregman has discovered his greatest value...using his senior savvy to maneuver into mid-range areas unoccupied by defenders.  His defense has been pretty good, too.

Wash-U is 8-0 in the UAA so far...wouldn't have put money on that to start the season, but the Bears continue to evolve into a very formidable team to face.  Have to keep their efforts at a relentless level...each team in the UAA has a unique and particular skill set that can steal a victory from their opponent from game to game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 04, 2017, 01:53:38 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on February 04, 2017, 01:46:36 PM
Very enjoyable topics covered this morning and afternoon!

I would think the Chicago benched starters learned a valuable lesson last night...you can be replaced.  Especially in basketball programs that continually gather good young talent from year to year.  At least for last night, the phrase "addition by subtraction" rang true in that situation.

It was a nice glimpse into the future, too, as four of the six benched Maroons are seniors.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 05, 2017, 01:46:51 PM
NYU edges Emory, 80-79.

There is no Top 4 anymore...

Sundays in the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 05, 2017, 01:49:45 PM
Carnegie Mellon gets the win over Chicago in overtime.

If Washington University is able to get the win, then we have the Top 2 and everyone else, but that is far from certain.  It is Sunday afterall.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 05, 2017, 02:50:17 PM
Washington University defeats Case Western Reserve, 102-97 in a game that was not that close until the Spartans battled back against the Washington bench.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on February 05, 2017, 10:20:55 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 04, 2017, 12:29:33 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 04, 2017, 10:49:22 AM
Can we get a third poster to say that Noah Karras was known around Chicagoland?

Sorry, WUH, but I was typing my report when your second post came out that made it clear that your original question was rhetorical.
My eye sight not so good - Did you write report or retort ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 06, 2017, 09:28:27 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 04, 2017, 12:29:33 PM
Sorry, WUH, but I was typing my report when your second post came out that made it clear that your original question was rhetorical.

No worries...I'll refrain from that style from now on.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 06, 2017, 09:54:56 AM
Quote from: jaybird44 on February 04, 2017, 01:46:36 PM
Bregman has discovered his greatest value...using his senior savvy to maneuver into mid-range areas unoccupied by defenders.  His defense has been pretty good, too.

I do not know Michael Bregman personally, but I love the story.  He could have easily quit the two years ago after the devastating knee injury.  He could have quit the game last season after realizing he was not ready to return.  But he is back! 

One thing that I would add is that it sure seems as though his leadership has been crucial to the success of this team.  Bregman is the one talking to the other guys as they reset the defense and he is often the one bringing the team together whenever the game appears to be at risk.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 06, 2017, 11:14:32 AM
Three weekends left on the season...a quick look at the standings and a few thoughts...the attendant Massey Ratings in parenthesis.

9-0 Washington University (No. 8)
8-1 Rochester (No. 7)
__________
5-4 Emory (No. 82)
5-4 Carnegie Mellon (No. 143)
4-5 Chicago (No. 86)
__________
3-6 Brandeis (No. 208)
2-7 NYU (No. 308)
0-9 Case Western Reserve (No. 279)

At this point in the season, this is effectively a two team race for the title.  There is no point in discussing the possibility that Emory and Carnegie Mellon could challenge Washington University and Rochester. 

The two divisions paradigm did not hold up...I would argue that we have three divisions with Emory, Carnegie Mellon and Chicago comprising the second tier.

Three weekends left:

WEEKEND NO. 6 MAY DECIDE THE CONFERENCE with Emory and Rochester traveling to Washington University and Chicago.  The Rochester vs. Washington University game on Sunday, February 12 at 11:00 am.  If both Washington University and Rochester win on Friday night, that Sunday broadcast could be one of the most watched UAA games ever.

Weekend No. 7 has Washington University and Chicago on the road at Brandeis and NYU with Rochester and Emory serving as hosts to Carnegie Mellon and Case Western Reserve.

Weekend No. 8 has Washington University and Emory at home against Chicago and Rochester...possibly for all the UAA marbles.  It may be time to dust off the tiebreaker scenarios.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 06, 2017, 05:35:53 PM
Ross Udine got some D3Hoops.com love over the weekend being named one of the ten more elite point guards.  The article is can be found here: http://d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2016-17/ten-more-point-guards

The NYU junior is in his third season as the starting point guard for the Violets and has certainly had a great career thus far, earning the UAA rookie of the year and a honorable mention as a freshman and a UAA honorable mention as a sophomore.

Ross Udine is a great point guard, but I would need to be convinced that he is elite by UAA standards.  Here are a few of the stats that one might use to judge a point guard, through the first half of non-conference action:

Assists Per Game

Whit Rapp, Emory 8.8
Kevin Kucera, Washington 5.9
Tyler Howard, Chicago 5.2
Javier Alvarez, CWRU 4.8
Jacob Wittig, Rochester (NY) 4.3
Robinson Vilmont, Brandeis 4.1
Ross Udine, NYU 3.9

Assists to Turnover Ratio

Whit Rapp, Emory 4.05
Jake Knupp, Washington 3.93
Jacob Wittig, Rochester (NY) 3.08
Kevin Kucera, Washington 2.59
Jordan Baum, Chicago 2.38
Robinson Vilmont, Brandeis 2.19
Sam Borst-Smith, Rochester (NY) 1.96
Tyler Howard, Chicago 1.90

Total Assists

Whit Rapp, Emory 158
Kevin Kucera, Washington 106
Tyler Howard, Chicago 93
Javier Alvarez, CWRU 86
Jacob Wittig, Rochester (NY) 77
Robinson Vilmont, Brandeis 70

As a disclaimer, the list also does not reflect the latest NYU stats.  And, NYU has played one less game than everyone else.  But even if you add in the stats from the last four games, Udine moves in to sixth for total assists with 73.  Maybe he moves in to fifth with the non-conference game they have coming up.

It is certainly hard to make a judgement based entirely on statisticsm especially considering the variety of seasons he has experienced.  Last year, for example, Udine had the UAA player of the year and another player of the year-quality center to feed.  This year he has a Joe Timmes and a host of freshmen.  In both seasons, he has turned the ball over more than several other point guards.

I know we could talk more about his scoring (16 ppg this season) and the intangibles, but does the scoring, defense, leadership and so fourth set him apart in the league?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2017, 08:28:03 AM
Just to be clear- those ten were picked from a list of names submitted by readers.  I picked Ross specifically because of the leadership he has to provide on a team full of freshman.  His nominator made a pretty compelling case.

The whole problem with these columns is that there are 400 PGs who play very well and are worthy of recognition.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 07, 2017, 12:25:00 PM
Thanks for the clarification...

The article was was a good excuse to take another look at the UAA point guards.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 08, 2017, 06:11:50 PM
I know that the regional rankings are out, but I am too focused on the weekend to think about that. 

Washington University and Chicago will host Emory and Rochester on Friday with both games tipping off at 8:00 pm CST, so the players will not know much about where they stand until the game is over.

Washington University defeated Emory on the road in a game in which the Bears never trailed.  The Eagles did make a late run to make it interesting though the Bears could have finished off Emory early had they shot a little better from the free throw line. 

Washington University held Emory to their second lowest scoring of the season in Atlanta. Keys for Washington University include defense and rebounding, but they also need respectable free throw and three point shooting percentages.
__________

Rochester defeated Chicago at home in a game that the Maroons led for almost 24 minutes between the first and second half.  Rochester finally passed Chicago with just two minutes left in that game to get the win thanks largely to Sam Borst-Smith scored 38 points in that game.

Video and Live Stats:

Emory vs. Washington University
http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2016-17/schedule

Rochester vs. Chicago
http://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/mbkb/2016-17/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 09, 2017, 11:59:10 AM
A cool fact about Coach Edwards and his overall coaching record from the weekend preview:

EDWARDS APPROACHING TOP-10 – Head coach Mark Edwards is in his 36th season on the Danforth Campus, and is 11th on the all-time NCAA Division III wins list with a 659-286 (.697) mark. He is one win from tying Glenn Van Wieren for 10th on the list.

9. Dennie Bridges - Illinois Wesleyan - 666-320 (.675)
10. Glenn Van Wieren - Hope - 660-219 (.751)
11. Mark Edwards - WashU - 659-286 (.697)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 10, 2017, 12:30:52 PM
As Washington University and Rochester look to winning the UAA, it may be noted that this weekend is going to provide a great opportunity to prepare for the postseason. 

In both cases, the teams must prepare for two big games against tournament quality teams with high stakes.

Massey Rating predictions for the two most important games tonight:

Washington University over Emory, 83-73 (83% chance of win)
Rochester over Chicago, 79-74 (68% chance of win)
__________

I am going to give the poll feature a try for my first time ever.  If you are reading this, please vote.  I'll start with the games tonight and if people vote, I'll add another one tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 10, 2017, 12:39:51 PM
OK, the poll is open.  Please vote otherwise I will be all  :'(
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 10, 2017, 01:41:50 PM
Personally I am hoping for Rochester vs. Wash rematch to be a one loss team vs. undefeated conference team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 10, 2017, 06:28:31 PM
If I were a neutral fan, I would prefer that too, but for tonight, I am a Maroon.

I went back to find a few videos of Sam Borst-Smith that I posted a few years ago and happened upon this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp9gYwdGrfM&t=162s

This video is definitely worth watching for anyone who plans to watch the game on Sunday, but is not all that familiar with the pre-season All American.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 10, 2017, 11:59:13 PM
Washington University destroys Emory, 94-65, thanks to a monster second half in which the Bears outscored the Eagles, 53-26.

The Bears were able to run out to a 12 point lead after the first quarter, but the Eagles battled back and trailed by two at the half.  The second half was all Washington University...  The Bears struggled a little to defend the Emory screens in the first half, but no problems in the second.

Washington University had 5 guys in double figures including a game high 21 points from Andrew Sanders.  Kevin Kucera and David Schmelter nearly earned double-doubles.  The Bears finished with 21 assists and 49 rebounds (+18).

The Bears end the evening with a two-game lead on Rochester in advance of the Sunday match-up as Rochester falls on the road to Chicago.

__________

Case Western Reserve gets their first win against New York University, 84-81 after trailing at the half.  Spartan freshman Regan Mohler shoots for 24 points.

__________

Carnegie Mellon defeats Brandeis, 78-64 and is third behind Washington University and Rochester at 6-4.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 11, 2017, 02:05:53 AM
Chicago 90
Rochester 87

For a refreshing change of pace, Chicago made its free throws tonight, or enough of them to get by, and it made all the difference in the world. The Maroons have cornered the market on losing close ones this season, and that's directly connected to the fact that they stink at the stripe (60.6% coming into this game). But tonight was a different story.

The Maroons controlled the game almost from the get-go. After surrendering a layup to Zack Ayers in the first minute, the South Siders rang up seven straight points to take a lead that they would not relinquish until the game's final minute. They used a 16-4 run down the stretch in the first half to open up what had been only a one-point lead, and they eventually went into the locker room at intermission up by eight at 45-37.

In the second half they picked up right where they had left off, maintaining a lead that bounced around in the 8-to-12 range for most of the latter stanza before Jake Fenlon buried a 25-footer with a hand in his face as the shot clock expired to put the Maroons at their high-water mark, 81-66, with five and a half to go. I thought to myself, "When you make a shot like that this late in the game to put your team up by 15, which is its biggest lead of the game, it's practically guaranteed to take the heart out of your opponent."

As it turned out, I seriously underestimated the Yellowjackets, who are #4 for a reason. They mounted a furious charge to take their first lead since the opening minute on a Tucker Knox trey from the top of the key with 56 seconds remaining. That made it 85-84 in favor of the visitors, and the large Rochester contingent that was on hand was in full roar. (There are four Chicagolanders on the UR roster, which probably had a lot to do with the fact that the 500 fans in Ratner were split about 50/50.) During that 19-3 run by the Yellowjackets the Maroons went 3-7 from the FT line, and it began to feel like an all-too-familiar scenario for Chicago.

After a timeout, the Maroons ran a play that put both Fenlon and Noah Karras on the far side of the floor. Knowing full well what havoc those two can wreak from anywhere within 23 feet of the basket, the entire Yellowjackets defense swung to their right -- including the guy who was guarding Tyler Howard, who happened to have the ball in his hands in front of the Maroons bench. He sauntered right down the open path to the basket in front of him until Knox managed to come across and foul him at the rim. For once a Maroon made gut-check free-throws, as Howard sank both attempts to put the Maroons back in front, 86-85, with 40 seconds to go. On the ensuing play Rochester managed to get a great look close in, but a five-foot baseline runner was airballed (I could've sworn it was Knox who tossed up the errant shot, but the PBP says it was Ryan Clamage) with 19 seconds left. Jordan Baum grabbed the weak-side rebound, Knox fouled him (fouling out in the process) and, again, a Maroon surprised me by making two clutch foul shots. Seven seconds later Ayers mishandled the ball on a drive, Howard grabbed the ensuing inbound and was fouled, he again made a pair of big FTs, and that was pretty much the ballgame.

Fenlon led the way with 24 points, including eight treys, and was joined in double figures by three of his fellow starters: Howard had 13 (and three steals as well), Collin Barthel had 12 points, and Blaine Crawford contributed an 11 and 10 double-double. Baum had an immaculate 4:0 floor game.

For Rochester, Ayers had a monster 24 and seven in only 20 minutes played, but when you watch that guy play you wonder if he doesn't drive his coach Luke Flockerzi right up the wall. Here's a guy who is 6'10 who can knock down treys from the top of the key like they're layups, but is so awful at the free-throw line that he airballs one of them in crunch time.  (To be fair, he's just under 68% for the season, but he looked terrible there tonight.) He's adept enough with the ball in his hands to take his man off the dribble from the perimeter (and Crawford is no slouch, quickness-wise, as a defender), yet when you throw him the ball in the low post he rushes his shot half the time and clanks it. Meanwhile, the baby-faced assassin scored 20 and had eight rebounds and three steals, plus four assists to only one turnover, but it still felt like a quiet night for him. Perhaps that's because I watched the UC @ UR game online, and Borst-Smith basically ripped out the heart of Chicago and danced the flamenco on it all by himself in the Kodak City. He may look like someone who should be going to bed early so that he can get up and ride his bike on his paper route tomorrow morning, but he's easily one of the most talented players in all of D3. Mack Montague chipped in 12 points, while smart and sneaky-quick PG Jacob Witting dealt seven assists without a turnover.

Great win by the Maroons, who finally managed to close out a good opponent. Alas, it's too little, too late as far as the postseason is concerned, but it nevertheless guarantees the South Siders a winning season, and it's something really tangible upon which they look back with pride at the end of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue_jays on February 11, 2017, 02:41:29 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 11, 2017, 02:05:53 AM
Chicago 90
Rochester 87

For a refreshing change of pace, Chicago made its free throws tonight, or enough of them to get by, and it made all the difference in the world. The Maroons have cornered the market on losing close ones this season, and that's directly connected to the fact that they stink at the stripe (60.6% coming into this game). But tonight was a different story.

The Maroons controlled the game almost from the get-go. After surrendering a layup to Zack Ayers in the first minute, the South Siders rang up seven straight points to take a lead that they would not relinquish until the game's final minute. They used a 16-4 run down the stretch in the first half to open up what had been only a one-point lead, and they eventually went into the locker room at intermission up by eight at 45-37.

In the second half they picked up right where they had left off, maintaining a lead that bounced around in the 8-to-12 range for most of the latter stanza before Jake Fenlon buried a 25-footer with a hand in his face as the shot clock expired to put the Maroons at their high-water mark, 81-66, with five and a half to go. I thought to myself, "When you make a shot like that this late in the game to put your team up by 15, which is its biggest lead of the game, it's practically guaranteed to take the heart out of your opponent."

As it turned out, I seriously underestimated the Yellowjackets, who are #4 for a reason. They mounted a furious charge to take their first lead since the opening minute on a Tucker Knox trey from the top of the key with 56 seconds remaining. That made it 85-84 in favor of the visitors, and the large Rochester contingent that was on hand was in full roar. (There are four Chicagolanders on the UR roster, which probably had a lot to do with the fact that the 500 fans in Ratner were split about 50/50.) During that 19-3 run by the Yellowjackets the Maroons went 3-7 from the FT line, and it began to feel like an all-too-familiar scenario for Chicago.

After a timeout, the Maroons ran a play that put both Fenlon and Noah Karras on the far side of the floor. Knowing full well what havoc those two can wreak from anywhere within 23 feet of the basket, the entire Yellowjackets defense swung to their right -- including the guy who was guarding Tyler Howard, who happened to have the ball in his hands in front of the Maroons bench. He sauntered right down the open path to the basket in front of him until Knox managed to come across and foul him at the rim. For once a Maroon made gut-check free-throws, as Howard sank both attempts to put the Maroons back in front, 86-85, with 40 seconds to go. On the ensuing play Rochester managed to get a great look close in, but a five-foot baseline runner was airballed (I could've sworn it was Knox who tossed up the errant shot, but the PBP says it was Ryan Clamage) with 19 seconds left. Jordan Baum grabbed the weak-side rebound, Knox fouled him (fouling out in the process) and, again, a Maroon surprised me by making two clutch foul shots. Seven seconds later Ayers mishandled a pass, Howard grabbed the ball and was fouled, he again made a pair of big FTs, and that was pretty much the ballgame.

Fenlon led the way with 24 points, including eight treys, and was joined in double figures by three of his fellow starters: Howard had 13 (and three steals as well), Collin Barthel had 12 points, and Blaine Crawford contributed an 11 and 10 double-double. Baum had an immaculate 4:0 floor game.

For Rochester, Ayers had a monster 24 and seven in only 20 minutes played, but when you watch that guy play you wonder if he doesn't drive his coach Luke Flockerzi right up the wall. Here's a guy who is 6'10 who can knock down treys from the top of the key like they're layups, but is so awful at the free-throw line that he airballs one of them in crunch time.  (To be fair, he's just under 68% for the season, but he looked terrible there tonight.) He's adept enough with the ball in his hands to take his man off the dribble from the perimeter (and Crawford is no slouch, quickness-wise, as a defender), yet when you throw him the ball in the low post he rushes his shot half the time and clanks it. Meanwhile, the baby-faced assassin scored 20 and had eight rebounds and three steals, plus four assists to only one turnover, but it still felt like a quiet night for him. Perhaps that's because I watched the UC @ UR game online, and Borst-Smith basically ripped out the heart of Chicago and danced the flamenco on it all by himself in the Kodak City. He may look like someone who should be going to bed early so that he can get up and ride his bike on his paper route tomorrow morning, but he's easily one of the most talented players in all of D3. Mack Montague chipped in 12 points, while smart and sneaky-quick PG Jacob Witting dealt seven assists without a turnover.

Great win by the Maroons, who finally managed to close out a good opponent. Alas, it's too little, too late as far as the postseason is concerned, but it nevertheless guarantees the South Siders a winning season, and it's something really tangible upon which they look back with pride at the end of the season.

Over his past 4 games, Fenlon has lit teams up for 25 three-pointers (52 percent). When he gets rolling, he's one of the best shooters in D3 with a lightning release.

Chicago will also be glad not to see Borst-Smith ever again. Over his 4 years and 8 games versus the Maroons, he's averaged 21.4 points per game (versus his career average of 14.5 PPG).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 11, 2017, 11:31:32 AM
Wash-U's 2nd-half performance vs. Emory was probably the best half that it played this season.  53-26 advantage, fueled by 56% shooting (18-32) and rebounding edge of 29-10.  What is also very encouraging is that the Bears are taking the right shot, no matter where it is in the halfcourt...no settling for 3s or a rushed shot early in a possession.  21 assists (8 by Kevin Kucera) and only 10 turnovers can lead to a high shooting percentage if the shot selection is excellent.  Wash-U is now averaging 94.25 ppg in its last 4 contests. 

The defense was very good, limiting Emory to 39.7% shooting and 2-13 from 3-point range (15%).  Wash-U's 3-point defense has been underrated this season...no situations have developed where the Bears are in an uneven exchange of getting 2s while giving up 3s.

First half wasn't bad for Wash-U...but I was wondering if it had squandered an opportunity to get a double-digit lead with Emory's Adam Gigax limited to 7 minutes and 4 points because of 2 early fouls.  That turned out to be a needless concern, because Wash-U held him scoreless in 9 2nd-half minutes on 0-5 shooting (0-4 from 3-point range).

Andrew Sanders has avoided 2 early fouls in the last several games, and he has become one of the top scorers in the region in the last 5 games.  21 points last night, and averaging 22.8 ppg in the last 5 games.  Clinton Hooks 15, Matt Highsmith 13 off the bench, Kucera with 12, and David Schmelter with perhaps the best overall performance of 12 points, 9 rebounds, and 3 blocks.  Marcus Meyer had 8 points off the bench on 4-4 shooting.

It was a perfect Friday night...a Wash-U win to keep its UAA record perfect at 10-0, and Rochester took a damaging loss at Chicago.  The Bears can now clinch the UAA title with a win at home vs. Rochester Sunday...that would give them a 3-game lead with 3 to play, and the Bears would have the head-to-head tie-breaker advantage over Rochester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 11, 2017, 01:11:09 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 11, 2017, 02:05:53 AM
He may look like someone who should be going to bed early so that he can get up and ride his bike on his paper route tomorrow morning, but he's easily one of the most talented players in all of D3.

In my time following the UAA, I would say that Sam Borst-Smith would among the players on the top of my list of players most likely to find a home on a Division I roster.  He is not Duncan Robinson, but he there are certainly Patriot League and Ivy League schools that could use him.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 11, 2017, 01:29:43 PM
Halfway through the weekend No. 6, a look at the standings.

10-0 Washington University
8-2 Rochester
6-4 Carnegie Mellon
__________
5-5 Emory
5-5 Chicago
__________
3-7 Brandeis
2-8 NYU
1-9 Case Western Reserve

The prospects of a Washington University win over Rochester tomorrow have been discussed.  If Rochester were to get the win, however, it would set up an intriguing final weekend game between Washington University and Chicago should the top two teams go undefeated next weekend.  Washington University would need to win that game to avoid a tiebreaker scenario.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 12, 2017, 12:13:47 PM
Sundays...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 12, 2017, 01:11:23 PM
If you need a video on how to defend Rochester, I know where to get it.  Scoring on the other hand...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 12, 2017, 01:37:26 PM
Rochester gets the key road win to stay in it.

At least we can say we held Sam Borst Smith to one made field goal.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2017, 02:11:09 PM
The focus of Division III basketball now turns towards the second Regional Rankings. At the same time, conference regular seasons are wrapping up and the pressure of conference tournaments is increasing.

Teams are still trying to jockey themselves for the chance to keep playing in March, but sometimes focusing on March causes teams to lose focus of the next game. Upsets and trip-ups seem to happen often once Regional Rankings start coming out.

On Sunday night's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chats with teams who are hoping to remain on top of their conference standings and thus eventually punch their ticket automatically to the NCAA tournament. But what about the distractions? What about the pressures? Or has it become somewhat routine for some teams?

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A reminder the Sunday edition of Hoopsville primarily covers the Northeast, Atlantic, South, and Central regions, but we will answer any questions about all of Division III throughout the show. You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.

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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 12, 2017, 03:07:15 PM
Rochester defeats Washington University to go 1-1 on the season and stay in contention for the title.  The final score: 74-61.

Both teams started slow and struggled offensively.  Rochester found their way late in the first and went in to the locker room up 31-22.  The Yellowjackets were able to extend the lead to 14 in the second half before the Bears began to mount a comeback.  Washington University pulled to within 5 with just over two minutes left but could not close out the game.

Washington University is not a great three point shooting team and that showed today.  Only Jake Knupp scored from outside.  Knupp did go 5-9 from downtown and finished with 17 points and 4 rebounds.  The Bears had only two other players in double figures.  Michael Bregman finished with 10 and Andrew Sanders finished with 11. 

Rochester made Sanders and David Schmelter work much harder today.  They both pounded the ball inside, but the calls that they were getting on Friday did not happen today.

Both teams played tremendous defense.  I do think opponents of either team will definitely be watching this tape.  Rochester held Washington University to 34% shooting and just 12 assists overall.  Washington University was ready for those Rochester pick and rolls and defended the perimeter well, holding Rochester to a 7-22 effort from three point range.  Clinton Hooks struggled offensively, but almost single handily held Sam Borst-Smith to one made basket on 1-8 shooting. 

Washington University remains one game ahead of Rochester and can still get the title with wins over NYU and Brandeis on the road next weekend and Chicago at home in Week 8.
__________

Emory defeated Chicago, 99-88 behind a 36 point effort by Adam Gigax.  Gigax went 13-18 including 5-7 from the perimeter.  Emory was 9-16 from downtown.  This is the best result for Rochester and Washington University as Emory was regionally ranked last week.

In other games, Carnegie Mellon destroyed NYU and Case Western Reserve got their second UAA win over Brandeis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 13, 2017, 03:33:57 PM
OK, looking ahead with three games left and the UAA title yet to be decided.

Weekend No. 7: Rochester hosts Carnegie Mellon and Case Western Reserve on Friday and Sunday.  Carnegie Mellon lost to Rochester by 30 at home.  Hard to imagine that happens again, though also hard to imagine a Rochester loss in either game.

Washington University travels to the campus of Pace University to play NYU and Brandeis.  Also hard to imagine a loss to NYU, but crazier things have happened.  The Judges have a nice win over Emory at home and been close to a few other big wins at home including a one-point loss to Tufts.

Weekend No. 8: Rochester travels to Emory while Washington University hosts Chicago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 14, 2017, 02:47:18 PM
The second most important UAA rankings of the season: Winter All-Academic Team.

No. 1 Chicago
No. 2 Washington University
No. 3 Carnegie Mellon

http://static.psbin.com/e/5/3x2k6f53yfdbvg/16-17_UAA_Winter_A-A_Release.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 17, 2017, 09:49:52 PM
Washington University leads NYU at the half, 51-31.

That is 51 points without a made three-point field goal while NYU has 7 which held them close during a 10 minute stretch.  Andrew Sanders and Jimmy Martinelli are tied at 14 points.
__________

Case Western and Emory are locked in a tight game.  The Spartans hold a one point lead with one minutes left.

Rochester held off a Carnegie Mellon run and finished strong winning the contest 82-67.  Zach Ayers finished with 22 to lead all scorers.  Jack Serbin had 18 and 8 rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 17, 2017, 11:00:02 PM
Washington University defeats NYU, 91-66.

The Bears were great in every regard except for three-point shooting.  They probably would have finished 0-6 if not for freshman Matt Nester. 1-7 is dreadful, but not a problem tonight.

Andrew Sanders and David Schmelter were phenomenal tonight, scoring 24 and 17 respectively with a combined 14 rebounds.  Matt Highsmith and Jake Knupp each finished with 10.  Knupp is the leading three point shooter, but he scored his points in the paint tonight.  Kevin Kucera finished with 12 assists.  The team finished with 26 assists and 6 turnovers along with 37 rebounds (+10).

For NYU, Jimmy Martinelli and Ross Udine led the way with 19 points each.  Martinelli finished with 8 rebounds.  Martinelli is a freshman...

Washington University remains one game ahead of Rochester going in to the Sunday games against Brandeis and Case Western Reserve.
__________

Emory pulled out an overtime win over Case Western Reserve, 99-92.
__________

Chicago defeated Brandeis, 82-74.

Noah Karras had played limited minutes with only one start in the three games since his record breaking performance against Case Western Reserve. But, he started again tonight and led all scorers with 25 on 7-11 shooting from the perimeter.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on February 18, 2017, 04:51:23 AM
WUH,

If Chicago beats Wash U, the Bears and Rochester will end up tied at 12-2 in the conference. Both teams would have a loss to each other and a loss to Chicago. What would be the next tiebreaker? Since it would be the same down through the list of teams from top to bottom, is it the road record of conference games? (Wash U would win 7-0 to 6-1, if that's the case.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 18, 2017, 08:42:07 AM
In that scenario, Washington University and Rochester are co-champions and a coin toss determines the AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on February 18, 2017, 10:14:22 AM
Quote from: WUH on February 18, 2017, 08:42:07 AM
In that scenario, Washington University and Rochester are co-champions and a coin toss determines the AQ.

WUH,
Thanks for the reply.  plus K.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 18, 2017, 10:41:06 AM
Big game for Emory tomorrow. I'm keeping track of them for fantasy purposes, of course. If they win tomorrow, they should have their Pool C bid secured. Looking at the South region, Guilford and Concordia Texas already lost this week. Even if Emory lose next week to Rochester, ever other Pool C candidate will also have a loss. I think they're in if they win tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 18, 2017, 02:37:03 PM
Quote from: magicman on February 18, 2017, 10:14:22 AM
Thanks for the reply.

Thanks for asking...

A Chicago win over Washington University is certainly possible.  Massey has the Rochester vs. Emory game as the best chance for an upset.  The prediction: 70% chance of a Rochester win with a 78-72 final score.

As for tomorrow, Brandeis has proven that they can play with tough teams, but they are not winning those games except for the home win over Emory.  But anything can happen on a Sunday, it seems...  Case Western Reserve on the other hand has no chance against Rochester.  The prediction: 97% chance of a Rochester win with a 86-64 final score.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 18, 2017, 02:42:21 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 18, 2017, 10:41:06 AM
Even if Emory lose next week to Rochester, ever other Pool C candidate will also have a loss. I think they're in if they win tomorrow.

A tough game for sure...

The enigmatic Eagles could score big wins over both Carnegie Mellon and Rochester, but it depends on what Eagles team shows up to play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2017, 09:21:59 AM
Sorry for not posting in a while, but I am posting to clear up a misstatement by WUH to magicman on the tiebreaker scenario involving a potential cochampionship between Wash U and Rochester with a 12-2 record, a 1-1 split between Wash U and Rochester, a 1-1 split with both teams vs subsequent finisher Chicago, and both teams sweeping all other subsequent finishers.

Under the UAA Basketball Code of Conduct, the first two tiebreakers do not solve this scenario, so the third tiebreaker is which team had the better road record in UAA league games.  Magicman is correct in that Wash U will get the AQ today with a win at Brandeis due to the fact that Wash U went 7-0 in UAA road games vs Rochester's 6-1 in UAA road games.-- Rochester lost at Chicago.

The coin flip is the last tiebreaker if all the cochampions have equal road records.  The coin flip was used to break the tie between the Wash U and NYU women in the 2000-2001 season.  In that case, both teams went 14-1 in UAA play, but the resulted vs Johns Hopkins could not be used in the tiebreaker, so it was effectively a situation where both teams finished 13-1, NYU lost at Wash U, and Wash U lost at NYU.  Since both cochampions that season went 6-1 in UAA road play (outside of Johns Hopkins, which was in the UAA at that time but only played a single round robin schedule, so you could not use the results vs Johns Hopkins to settle the tie), there was a coin flip that year, which NYU won for the AQ.  Wash U women went on to win their 4th national title that season, while NYU lost to Emmanuel in the Elite 8.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2017, 09:25:15 AM
That is of course, assuming that the scenario posed by magicman comes to pass.  Regardless, Wash U men will get the AQ today with a win at Brandeis because of the tiebreaker scenario of the road record.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2017, 12:38:27 PM
OK, thanks for the clarification.  My mistake.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2017, 12:40:48 PM
Tight games in Boston, Atlanta and Rochester today.

Washington University leads Brandeis at the half, 46-44.  The Judges are in it thanks to a 10-17 performance from three point range.

Emory leads Carnegie Mellon, 39-31.

Case Western Reserve leads Rochester 35-31, with three minutes to go in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2017, 12:53:18 PM
Good to see you, deiscanton. My daughter and I visited Brandeis but she has chosen to enroll elsewhere. (Now, if that particular UAA school will admit her, we'll be happier!)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2017, 01:18:54 PM
Probably time to call an upset alert.

Brandeis is hanging with Washington University thanks to a 16-24 effort from three point range.  The Bears lead is now four with two minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2017, 01:37:47 PM
Washington University holds on to win, 95-91.

Brandeis finished with a 17-28 performance from three point range.  Both teams finished with 25 assists, but the Bears had a decided advantage in turnovers and rebounds.
__________

Time to follow the back and forth game in Rochester.  Case Western Reserve leads Rochester, 73-72 with just over three minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2017, 01:46:42 PM
SUNDAYS IN THE UAA!

7-16 (2-10) CASE WESTERN RESERVE KNOCKS OFF NO. 6 ROCHESTER, 76-72.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2017, 01:55:33 PM
Boom!  No need to worry about tiebreakers as Washington University has clinched the UAA Championship.  Rochester will have to settle for second.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2017, 06:41:14 PM
I was very glad to see the Brandeis men make a program record 17 3 pointers in a single UAA game today.  It fell 1 trey short of the conference record of 18 3 pointers made in a game, which was set by Rochester against Case Western last season (Rochester made 18 of 37 from 3 pt land vs Case on January 22, 2016.). I saw Chris Mitchell today, and he was asking me for the league record at halftime of the Brandeis men's game.  I did not have that record in my memory, but I was at the Ratner Center in 2006 when the Brandeis and Chicago women combined to make 24 treys, which is the record for most 3s made combined in a UAA women's basketball game.

Glad to hear from you, Pat.  I wish your daughter well in whatever school she chooses to attend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on February 20, 2017, 03:52:38 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 19, 2017, 09:21:59 AM
Sorry for not posting in a while, but I am posting to clear up a misstatement by WUH to magicman on the tiebreaker scenario involving a potential cochampionship between Wash U and Rochester with a 12-2 record, a 1-1 split between Wash U and Rochester, a 1-1 split with both teams vs subsequent finisher Chicago, and both teams sweeping all other subsequent finishers.

Under the UAA Basketball Code of Conduct, the first two tiebreakers do not solve this scenario, so the third tiebreaker is which team had the better road record in UAA league games.  Magicman is correct in that Wash U will get the AQ today with a win at Brandeis due to the fact that Wash U went 7-0 in UAA road games vs Rochester's 6-1 in UAA road games.-- Rochester lost at Chicago.

The coin flip is the last tiebreaker if all the cochampions have equal road records.  The coin flip was used to break the tie between the Wash U and NYU women in the 2000-2001 season.  In that case, both teams went 14-1 in UAA play, but the resulted vs Johns Hopkins could not be used in the tiebreaker, so it was effectively a situation where both teams finished 13-1, NYU lost at Wash U, and Wash U lost at NYU.  Since both cochampions that season went 6-1 in UAA road play (outside of Johns Hopkins, which was in the UAA at that time but only played a single round robin schedule, so you could not use the results vs Johns Hopkins to settle the tie), there was a coin flip that year, which NYU won for the AQ.  Wash U women went on to win their 4th national title that season, while NYU lost to Emmanuel in the Elite 8.

deiscanton,
You're right, you haven't posted in quite awhile. I miss your posts which were always informative and timely. Thanks for clearing up the tiebreaker scenario. Plus K.  I thought the conference road record would precede the coin flip but there are several different ways to chose the winner and I wasn't sure what the UAA did. I know WUH gave me his response and thought it to be the correct answer, but maybe he did that just to get you to come out of hiding. :D At any rate with Sunday's upset of the Yellowjackets by CWR, it becomes a moot issue. The Bears have clinched the title and the automatic bid. Rochester will get an at large bid and Emory is still alive for one.



Quote from: WUH on February 18, 2017, 02:37:03 PM
A Chicago win over Washington University is certainly possible.  Massey has the Rochester vs. Emory game as the best chance for an upset.  The prediction: 70% chance of a Rochester win with a 78-72 final score.

As for tomorrow, Brandeis has proven that they can play with tough teams, but they are not winning those games except for the home win over Emory.  But anything can happen on a Sunday, it seems...  Case Western Reserve on the other hand has no chance against Rochester.  The prediction: 97% chance of a Rochester win with a 86-64 final score.

I think the Spartans posted the bolded part on their bulletin board. They apparently, forgot to read Massey's prediction of a 97% Rochester win. ;D  The first part of your statement, "But anything can happen on a Sunday, it seems"  is what the Case players focused on. 8-)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 20, 2017, 08:21:26 AM
Quote from: magicman on February 20, 2017, 03:52:38 AM
I think the Spartans posted the bolded part on their bulletin board. They apparently, forgot to read Massey's prediction of a 97% Rochester win. The first part of your statement, "But anything can happen on a Sunday, it seems"  is what the Case players focused on.

It is hard to imagine that anyone from Case Western Reserve (or anyone outside of a few d3boards.com regulars) is reading the UAA thread these days, but I'll say that I was happy to get that one wrong. 

I have not have a chance to watch the game, but I followed along on live stats and that was a back and forth game that had Rochester in it until the very end.  It is not as though the Spartans went on a big run and then held on.  And to do it all in Rochester!

For what it is worth, if Washington University defeats Chicago on Sunday, then my pre-season prediction of the conference standings was very close to right.

I had:

Washington University
Rochester
Emory
Chicago
Carnegie Mellon

The only thing I will have incorrectly predicted was Carnegie Mellon finishing ahead of Chicago.

There is a possibility that I got all five correct, but that would involve a Chicago win, so I will not go in to that.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 20, 2017, 12:25:29 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 19, 2017, 06:41:14 PM
I was very glad to see the Brandeis men make a program record 17 3 pointers in a single UAA game today.  It fell 1 trey short of the conference record of 18 3 pointers made in a game, which was set by Rochester against Case Western last season (Rochester made 18 of 37 from 3 pt land vs Case on January 22, 2016.).

This says something about how special the 11-14 three point shooting performance by Noah Karras was.  Chicago was 16-27 that day with Jake Fenlon and Jordan Baum adding in a combined five three pointers.

I was curious about how the combined 50 teams assists matched up against the record books.  It looks like NYU and Brandeis hold the record at 57.  Rochester holds the team record at 31.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 24, 2017, 05:01:23 PM
One last weekend of UAA conference play.

Weekend No. 8: Rochester travels to Emory while Washington University hosts Chicago.  Carnegie Mellon travels to Case Western Reserve.  NYU hosts Brandeis.

I may post an all-UAA conference team, but until I do, I thought it would be great to recognize a few seniors who saved their best for last.

Joe Timmes, NYU
Averaged 8 minutes and 3.7 points per game a season ago.  He is a starter this season and averaging 13.6 points per game including a 39.5 three point shooting percentage.

Blaine Crawford, Chicago
Averaged 12 minutes and 4.8 points, 4 rebounds per game a season ago.  He is a starter this season and averaging 15.4 points per game with one of the best field goal percentages in the Central region.  Also averaging 10 rebounds per game.

Zach Ayers, Rochester
Averaged 3.6 points and 3.8 rebounds per game last season.  He is a starter and averaging 12.3 points per game and 5.4 rebounds per game.

Michael Bregman, Washington University
Played a few games last season before determining that he needed to sit out for the season.  Had a severe knee injury as a sophomore.  He is a starter this season and averaging 9 points per game and 3 rebounds.

Jim Gordon, Emory University
Averaged 6.6 minutes and 1.0 points per game last season.  He is a starter and averaging 15.7 points per game and 4.2 rebounds per game.

There are more players worth highlighting such as Whitt Rapp who crushed his previous season performance of 164 assists (he currently has 207).  I'll try to get to that soon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 25, 2017, 04:16:50 PM
Congratulations to the Washington University for winning the de facto UAA Championship game over Chicago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 25, 2017, 07:39:09 PM
Chicago spoils Senior Day with a win over Washington University, 81-74.

The Maroons led 73-72 with three minutes left before Collin Barthel hit a wide open three.  The momentum turned on that shot.  The Bears would only score one more field goal in the game.

Andrew Sanders led all scorers with 21 points and 6 rebounds.  Michael Bregman, who won the Pearce Award for his commitment to the team, finished with 15 points including a 3-4 performance from three point range.  Clinton Hooks is my UAA defensive player of the year and he showed why today against Waller Perez.

Jack Fenlon led the way for Chicago with 16 points.  Tyler Howard, Blaine Crawford and Waller Perez also scored in double figures.

The big difference may have been the +8 difference in rebounds by the Maroons.  Chicago had a six rebound advantage in the second half, but it seemed like many more than that.  Blaine Crawford seemed to be in position for every rebound and finished with nine.

The Bears finish the season with a 12-2 UAA record.  This is the best finish since the 2008-2009 national championship squad finished 13-1.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 27, 2017, 11:28:18 AM
The UAA released the 2016-2017 All-Association Team.

I think they got this right...my only disagreement is the lack of recognition for Matt Highsmith who shot 57.1% from the field and averaged 11 points and 4.4 rebounds.  No one in the conference was more efficient outside the low post.  Not even close.

http://uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/2016-17/16-17_MBKB_All-Assoc.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 27, 2017, 01:11:49 PM
Washington University is headed to Holland, Michigan to take on Ripon.  418 miles may be little too far away.  I'll have to see if any of the Holland area ski resorts still have snow.

Hope and Wisconsin Oshkosh are also in the pod.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 27, 2017, 01:14:00 PM
Congratulations to the Emory Eagles who are headed to Texas for Round 1 and to the Rochester Yellowjackets who will host a first round pod.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2017, 01:40:11 PM
Rochester will be the small-college basketball capital of the world next weekend, as St. John Fisher will also host a pod, six miles east of the U of R.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on February 27, 2017, 02:08:30 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 27, 2017, 01:11:49 PM
Washington University is headed to Holland, Michigan to take on Ripon.  418 miles may be little too far away.  I'll have to see if any of the Holland area ski resorts still have snow.

Hope and Wisconsin Oshkosh are also in the pod.

You'll have to go a couple hours further north to find decent ski hills with snow.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 27, 2017, 02:40:56 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2017, 01:40:11 PM
Rochester will be the small-college basketball capital of the world next weekend, as St. John Fisher will also host a pod, six miles east of the U of R.

I know there is a Kodak related joke to be made, but I am just not that clever.  Thanks for sharing that though.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 27, 2017, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on February 27, 2017, 02:08:30 PM
You'll have to go a couple hours further north to find decent ski hills with snow.

I was just about to head to the MIAA thread to ask, but this answers my question.  Thanks!  Good luck this weekend.  Maybe the best team advance to weekend No. 2.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 27, 2017, 02:59:01 PM
Bittersweet between Otsego and Allegan might still have snow, it would be man-made.

....but you said decent hill.

Also Timberidge and Swiss Valley nearby, never been there.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2017, 08:04:02 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 27, 2017, 02:40:56 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2017, 01:40:11 PM
Rochester will be the small-college basketball capital of the world next weekend, as St. John Fisher will also host a pod, six miles east of the U of R.

I know there is a Kodak related joke to be made, but I am just not that clever.  Thanks for sharing that though.

Nah, I think that what you're really looking for is a garbage plate (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/26/garbage-plate_n_4854514.html) joke.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3HoopJunkie on February 27, 2017, 08:57:23 PM
Pardon my ignorance with regards to the UAA but would somebody mind explaining this conference to me? I'm really baffled by the geographical lay out. I am a GNAC/Albertus Magnus supporter and poster and have really only witnessed first hand the Northeast in terms of travel amongst teams. Obviously a few exceptions for the NCAA tourney over the years (fortunatley) but when you look at the UAA it is so spread out geographically it's hard to understand how it all works financially. I had no idea where Emory was, come to find out they are a UAA conference member located in Georgia and Rochester as we all know is a couple foot steps away from getting there toes wet in Lake Ontario. Throw in Washington University and Case Western as well!?!?!?! My Goodness!

Also, congratulations to both Rochester and Emory. As mentioned I am an Albertus supporter and I look forward to the game Friday night. It should be a very interesting game between too well coached teams with contrasting styles in the way they approach the game.

Hopefully a Rochester fan can help me out here. Can I look forward to a good broadcast on Friday night? Audio play by play and a good video feed perhaps?? I would love to attend in person but the six hour ride is quite the journey.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2017, 09:01:27 PM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 27, 2017, 08:57:23 PM
Pardon my ignorance with regards to the UAA but would somebody mind explaining this conference to me? I'm really baffled by the geographical lay out. I am a GNAC/Albertus Magnus supporter and poster and have really only witnessed first hand the Northeast in terms of travel amongst teams. Obviously a few exceptions for the NCAA tourney over the years (fortunatley) but when you look at the UAA it is so spread out geographically it's hard to understand how it all works financially. I had no idea where Emory was, come to find out they are a UAA conference member located in Georgia and Rochester as we all know is a couple foot steps away from getting there toes wet in Lake Ontario. Throw in Washington University and Case Western as well!?!?!?! My Goodness!

Also, congratulations to both Rochester and Emory. As mentioned I am an Albertus supporter and I look forward to the game Friday night. It should be a very interesting game between too well coached teams with contrasting styles in the way they approach the game.

Hopefully a Rochester fan can help me out here. Can I look forward to a good broadcast on Friday night? Audio play by play and a good video feed perhaps?? I would love to attend in person but the six hour ride is quite the journey.

Rochester was charging to watch their video during the regular season - maybe the NCAA game will be free but check in advance.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2017, 09:08:28 PM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 27, 2017, 08:57:23 PM
Pardon my ignorance with regards to the UAA but would somebody mind explaining this conference to me? I'm really baffled by the geographical lay out. I am a GNAC/Albertus Magnus supporter and poster and have really only witnessed first hand the Northeast in terms of travel amongst teams. Obviously a few exceptions for the NCAA tourney over the years (fortunatley) but when you look at the UAA it is so spread out geographically it's hard to understand how it all works financially. I had no idea where Emory was, come to find out they are a UAA conference member located in Georgia and Rochester as we all know is a couple foot steps away from getting there toes wet in Lake Ontario. Throw in Washington University and Case Western as well!?!?!?! My Goodness!

Each and every one of the UAA schools is insanely wealthy, with endowments in the billions of dollars. Trust me, the plane travel involved in that league is not a budget-breaker for anybody.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2017, 09:13:10 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2017, 09:08:28 PM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 27, 2017, 08:57:23 PM
Pardon my ignorance with regards to the UAA but would somebody mind explaining this conference to me? I'm really baffled by the geographical lay out. I am a GNAC/Albertus Magnus supporter and poster and have really only witnessed first hand the Northeast in terms of travel amongst teams. Obviously a few exceptions for the NCAA tourney over the years (fortunatley) but when you look at the UAA it is so spread out geographically it's hard to understand how it all works financially. I had no idea where Emory was, come to find out they are a UAA conference member located in Georgia and Rochester as we all know is a couple foot steps away from getting there toes wet in Lake Ontario. Throw in Washington University and Case Western as well!?!?!?! My Goodness!

Each and every one of the UAA schools is insanely wealthy, with endowments in the billions of dollars. Trust me, the plane travel involved in that league is not a budget-breaker for anybody.


Think D1 BCS conference schools that actually care about academics enough to not give scholarships.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3HoopJunkie on February 27, 2017, 09:14:53 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2017, 09:08:28 PM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 27, 2017, 08:57:23 PM
Pardon my ignorance with regards to the UAA but would somebody mind explaining this conference to me? I'm really baffled by the geographical lay out. I am a GNAC/Albertus Magnus supporter and poster and have really only witnessed first hand the Northeast in terms of travel amongst teams. Obviously a few exceptions for the NCAA tourney over the years (fortunatley) but when you look at the UAA it is so spread out geographically it's hard to understand how it all works financially. I had no idea where Emory was, come to find out they are a UAA conference member located in Georgia and Rochester as we all know is a couple foot steps away from getting there toes wet in Lake Ontario. Throw in Washington University and Case Western as well!?!?!?! My Goodness!

Each and every one of the UAA schools is insanely wealthy, with endowments in the billions of dollars. Trust me, the plane travel involved in that league is not a budget-breaker for anybody.

Thats incredible! So thats simply all it is?!? They have the money so they fly and play there conference games essentially like a Divison 1 program. Truly remarkable. Yet another example of just how opposite these 2 programs are! LOL

Albertus is a small time school with an athletics budget probablly less then a % of what Rochester has just from what I gathered here so far. But that being said, this will be a very interesting game on Friday between 2 excellent basketball teams
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 27, 2017, 09:18:44 PM
The UAA are nationally renowned research universities, their relationship as schools goes far beyond athletics.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 27, 2017, 09:36:39 PM
Indeed. 

Here is the mission statement and history of how the UAA came into being, from the UAA itself:

"The formation of the University Athletic Association (UAA) is a bold statement of what college athletics can and should be—that it is highly desirable and possible for a group of committed institutions to conduct a broad-based program of intercollegiate athletics for men and women; to compete with like academic institutions spread over geographically expansive areas; and to seek excellence in athletics while maintaining a perspective that holds the student-athlete and the academic mission of the institution as the center of focus.

The University Athletic Association, which is in its 30th year, is a significant expression of the principle that the provision of a high-quality college athletic experience is worth the commitment required of an institution. It is worthwhile not only because it benefits the entire campus community and, in turn, the institution itself.  Perhaps more importantly, the UAA is a strong statement that the success
of intercollegiate athletics is wholly dependent upon institutional integrity and the ability of institutions to complete the full integration of athletics into the academic fiber of higher education. 

Members of the UAA share the belief that academic excellence and athletic excellence are not mutually exclusive. Implicit in this belief are several sets of assumptions. The first is that the academic enterprise is the primary element. Student-athletes are just that—students first and athletes second.  The second set of assumptions has to do with athletic excellence. Athletic excellence is not to be confused with a win-at-all costs attitude. It properly relates to the caliber of experience offered to students who participate in intercollegiate athletics."


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2017, 09:40:11 PM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 27, 2017, 09:14:53 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2017, 09:08:28 PM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 27, 2017, 08:57:23 PM
Pardon my ignorance with regards to the UAA but would somebody mind explaining this conference to me? I'm really baffled by the geographical lay out. I am a GNAC/Albertus Magnus supporter and poster and have really only witnessed first hand the Northeast in terms of travel amongst teams. Obviously a few exceptions for the NCAA tourney over the years (fortunatley) but when you look at the UAA it is so spread out geographically it's hard to understand how it all works financially. I had no idea where Emory was, come to find out they are a UAA conference member located in Georgia and Rochester as we all know is a couple foot steps away from getting there toes wet in Lake Ontario. Throw in Washington University and Case Western as well!?!?!?! My Goodness!

Each and every one of the UAA schools is insanely wealthy, with endowments in the billions of dollars. Trust me, the plane travel involved in that league is not a budget-breaker for anybody.

Thats incredible! So thats simply all it is?!?

No, there's more to it than that. It's not just a random collection of eight D3 schools stretching from Boston to New York City to Rochester to Pittsburgh to Cleveland to Atlanta to St. Louis to Chicago. As sac pointed out, they are research universities -- a different type of institution entirely than the liberal arts colleges that make up the vast majority of D3's membership. And, as he pointed out, they're nationally-renowned research universities, each and every one of them a member of the exclusive Association of American Universities that constitutes the upper echelon of American academia. The University of Chicago, for example, has produced more Nobel Prizes than any other school on the planet. The University of Rochester contains perhaps the world's best music school, the Eastman School of Music. Several UAA schools have top-notch hospitals and medical schools attached to them.

They formed a conference, in other words, that is not based upon geography but upon similar institutional identities. There really aren't more than two or three other schools in all of D3 that are like the UAA schools. Their peers are the Ivy League schools.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 27, 2017, 09:42:51 PM
No UAA team has the budget of a Division I BCS school.  Not even close.

The UAA schools play four weekends on the road during league play and only three that require flights.

Washington University has a budget that is two or three million or so more than Webster and the Bears feature more sports, including football.  Definitely a difference but...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2017, 10:14:18 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 27, 2017, 09:42:51 PM
No UAA team has the budget of a Division I BCS school.  Not even close.

The UAA schools play four weekends on the road during league play and only three that require flights.

Washington University has a budget that is two or three million or so more than Webster and the Bears feature more sports, including football.  Definitely a difference but...

I didn't mean it as an athletic budget, but the school profile of, say, a Rochester, isn't terribly different than the University of Michigan.  Rochester spends a lot less on sports, but they can essentially spend what they want to spend - they just have things in proper perspective.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 27, 2017, 10:18:39 PM
The UAA basically holds an extension of beliefs regarding collegiate athletics, that were formulated by Wash-U, the University of Chicago, and other colleges and universities just before or just after World War II.  Sewanee University was a member of the SEC for several years; Wash-U was an original member of the Missouri Valley Conference that included the University of Missouri and many other future members of the Big Eight Conference; and the U. of Chicago was a charter member of the Big 10 Conference. 

In the few years just before WWII, those smaller schools began to see that major college athletics were starting to place far too much emphasis solely on athletic achievements, at the expense of academic integrity.  For example, Sewanee opted out of the SEC just before the war, and Wash-U followed suit just after the war ended.  Bad news for fans who liked seeing those schools play Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Alabama, Kansas, Oklahoma, etc.  But, the smaller schools who wanted to keep the focus squarely on academics knew they couldn't compete with the student-athletes from the larger universities who weren't tethered to that ideal.

So, the small colleges and universities continually gravitated away from playing what are now Division I schools...first in football, then later in basketball and other major sports.  Two or three decades down the line, enough colleges had moved toward embracing the true student-athlete model, to where they would eventually form what is now Division III of the NCAA. 

From there, in 1987, like-minded research universities formed the University Athletic Association.  It is robust in basketball, soccer, and track and field, in maintenance mode in baseball and softball, and faltering in football.  Yes, even those who have wealthy endowments have drawn the line and left the UAA (in the cases of Rochester and Johns Hopkins), or chose not to field football teams (Emory, Brandeis, and NYU) due in part to the expense of flying large rosters of football teams across the wide expanse of the UAA footprint, and for the convenience of playing in conferences that feature opponents who are closer to home.  Also, the desire to be in a conference that has an automatic qualifier bid into the NCAA tournament for the league champion was strong.

The four remaining football-playing members of the UAA, by 2018, will have all settled in playing football in other conferences as affiliate members.  Wash-U will be an affiliate member of the CCIW at that time, Chicago will be in the Midwest Conference, and Carnegie Mellon and Case-Western Reserve are already assimilated into the Presidents Athletic Conference.


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on February 27, 2017, 10:26:43 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2017, 09:40:11 PM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 27, 2017, 09:14:53 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2017, 09:08:28 PM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 27, 2017, 08:57:23 PM
Pardon my ignorance with regards to the UAA but would somebody mind explaining this conference to me? I'm really baffled by the geographical lay out. I am a GNAC/Albertus Magnus supporter and poster and have really only witnessed first hand the Northeast in terms of travel amongst teams. Obviously a few exceptions for the NCAA tourney over the years (fortunatley) but when you look at the UAA it is so spread out geographically it's hard to understand how it all works financially. I had no idea where Emory was, come to find out they are a UAA conference member located in Georgia and Rochester as we all know is a couple foot steps away from getting there toes wet in Lake Ontario. Throw in Washington University and Case Western as well!?!?!?! My Goodness!

Each and every one of the UAA schools is insanely wealthy, with endowments in the billions of dollars. Trust me, the plane travel involved in that league is not a budget-breaker for anybody.

Thats incredible! So thats simply all it is?!?

No, there's more to it than that. It's not just a random collection of eight D3 schools stretching from Boston to New York City to Rochester to Pittsburgh to Cleveland to Atlanta to St. Louis to Chicago. As sac pointed out, they are research universities -- a different type of institution entirely than the liberal arts colleges that make up the vast majority of D3's membership. And, as he pointed out, they're nationally-renowned research universities, each and every one of them a member of the exclusive Association of American Universities that constitutes the upper echelon of American academia. The University of Chicago, for example, has produced more Nobel Prizes than any other school on the planet. The University of Rochester contains perhaps the world's best music school, the Eastman School of Music. Several UAA schools have top-notch hospitals and medical schools attached to them.

They formed a conference, in other words, that is not based upon geography but upon similar institutional identities. There really aren't more than two or three other schools in all of D3 that are like the UAA schools. Their peers are the Ivy League schools.
Whoa, over the line Sager - as a graduate at the School of Music Ithaca College my son would take exception to your remark as would his follow magic graduate at Berkley Boston, Oberlin and NYU. Rochester one of the best- yes.

And beyond the citations so far add in law schools, each with one or more top notch graduate schools and significant endowment funds.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2017, 10:49:32 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 27, 2017, 09:01:27 PM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 27, 2017, 08:57:23 PM
Pardon my ignorance with regards to the UAA but would somebody mind explaining this conference to me? I'm really baffled by the geographical lay out. I am a GNAC/Albertus Magnus supporter and poster and have really only witnessed first hand the Northeast in terms of travel amongst teams. Obviously a few exceptions for the NCAA tourney over the years (fortunatley) but when you look at the UAA it is so spread out geographically it's hard to understand how it all works financially. I had no idea where Emory was, come to find out they are a UAA conference member located in Georgia and Rochester as we all know is a couple foot steps away from getting there toes wet in Lake Ontario. Throw in Washington University and Case Western as well!?!?!?! My Goodness!

Also, congratulations to both Rochester and Emory. As mentioned I am an Albertus supporter and I look forward to the game Friday night. It should be a very interesting game between too well coached teams with contrasting styles in the way they approach the game.

Hopefully a Rochester fan can help me out here. Can I look forward to a good broadcast on Friday night? Audio play by play and a good video feed perhaps?? I would love to attend in person but the six hour ride is quite the journey.

Rochester was charging to watch their video during the regular season - maybe the NCAA game will be free but check in advance.

They are not allowed to charge for games in the NCAA Tournament... they don't own the rights. Turner does. As a result to get the rights to broadcast, they can't charge viewers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2017, 11:06:30 PM
Quote from: iwumichigander on February 27, 2017, 10:26:43 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2017, 09:40:11 PM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 27, 2017, 09:14:53 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2017, 09:08:28 PM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 27, 2017, 08:57:23 PM
Pardon my ignorance with regards to the UAA but would somebody mind explaining this conference to me? I'm really baffled by the geographical lay out. I am a GNAC/Albertus Magnus supporter and poster and have really only witnessed first hand the Northeast in terms of travel amongst teams. Obviously a few exceptions for the NCAA tourney over the years (fortunatley) but when you look at the UAA it is so spread out geographically it's hard to understand how it all works financially. I had no idea where Emory was, come to find out they are a UAA conference member located in Georgia and Rochester as we all know is a couple foot steps away from getting there toes wet in Lake Ontario. Throw in Washington University and Case Western as well!?!?!?! My Goodness!

Each and every one of the UAA schools is insanely wealthy, with endowments in the billions of dollars. Trust me, the plane travel involved in that league is not a budget-breaker for anybody.

Thats incredible! So thats simply all it is?!?

No, there's more to it than that. It's not just a random collection of eight D3 schools stretching from Boston to New York City to Rochester to Pittsburgh to Cleveland to Atlanta to St. Louis to Chicago. As sac pointed out, they are research universities -- a different type of institution entirely than the liberal arts colleges that make up the vast majority of D3's membership. And, as he pointed out, they're nationally-renowned research universities, each and every one of them a member of the exclusive Association of American Universities that constitutes the upper echelon of American academia. The University of Chicago, for example, has produced more Nobel Prizes than any other school on the planet. The University of Rochester contains perhaps the world's best music school, the Eastman School of Music. Several UAA schools have top-notch hospitals and medical schools attached to them.

They formed a conference, in other words, that is not based upon geography but upon similar institutional identities. There really aren't more than two or three other schools in all of D3 that are like the UAA schools. Their peers are the Ivy League schools.
Whoa, over the line Sager - as a graduate at the School of Music Ithaca College my son would take exception to your remark as would his follow magic graduate at Berkley Boston, Oberlin and NYU. Rochester one of the best- yes.

I said "perhaps", Larry. That's qualifier enough.

(Oh, and you left out Julliard. ;))
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2017, 11:48:32 PM
Not to mention the IWU Opera School! ;D

(IWU's Music Department actually is quite extraordinary.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3HoopJunkie on February 28, 2017, 09:56:14 AM
Thanks to all who contributed and helped me understand exactly what the UAA is all about. It is much appreciated and truly eye opening to read some of the comments regarding each individual school and their athletic and more importantly academic pedigree.

As I mentioned earlier good luck to Rochester on Friday night. This should be an excellent basketball game!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 28, 2017, 06:44:14 PM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 27, 2017, 08:57:23 PM
I am a GNAC/Albertus Magnus supporter and poster and have really only witnessed first hand the Northeast in terms of travel amongst teams.

Quick question: any chance you were at this Albertus Magnus back in 2010: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLVqtEcB_ic

This is easily by favorite buzzer beater of all time...the call and the behind the basket perspective of the camera probably had something to do with that.  I still wonder if that entire game was broadcast with that camera.  I am assuming not, but...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2017, 06:53:27 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 28, 2017, 06:44:14 PM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 27, 2017, 08:57:23 PM
I am a GNAC/Albertus Magnus supporter and poster and have really only witnessed first hand the Northeast in terms of travel amongst teams.

Quick question: any chance you were at this Albertus Magnus back in 2010: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLVqtEcB_ic

This is easily by favorite buzzer beater of all time...the call and the behind the basket perspective of the camera probably had something to do with that.  I still wonder if that entire game was broadcast with that camera.  I am assuming not, but...

That was a D3sports.com Production with our won Frank Rossi. I would have to check with him, but I think he ran into a problem with the high-center cam at some point because his tendency is certainly to follow my protocols and have a cam there. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 28, 2017, 06:59:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2017, 06:53:27 PM
That was a D3sports.com Production with our won Frank Rossi. I would have to check with him, but I think he ran into a problem with the high-center cam at some point because his tendency is certainly to follow my protocols and have a cam there. :)

Love it!

If you ever happen to be talking to Frank Rossi and think about it, please give my regards.  Easily one of the best calls I have ever heard. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on February 28, 2017, 07:28:11 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2017, 11:48:32 PM
Not to mention the IWU Opera School! ;D

(IWU's Music Department actually is quite extraordinary.)
Actually my son picked Ithaca over IWU accepted at both.  And, yes Greg, I did leave out Julliard and misspelled Berklee. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2017, 08:39:29 PM
I'm sure that his choice must've stung a bit, Larry, but there's consolation in the fact that, for visiting purposes, Ithaca's in a much prettier part of the country than Bloomington-Normal. Treman State Park, Buttermilk Falls State Park, and Taugannock Falls State Park are tremendous for sightseeing, as is Cayuga Lake.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 28, 2017, 08:43:22 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2017, 08:39:29 PM
I'm sure that his choice must've stung a bit, Larry, but there's consolation in the fact that, for visiting purposes, Ithaca's in a much prettier part of the country than Bloomington-Normal. Treman State Park, Buttermilk Falls State Park, and Taugannock Falls State Park are tremendous for sightseeing, as is Cayuga Lake.

I actually went on a family road trip from MN to Cooperstown NY last summer and we stopped at Buttermilk Falls in Ithica... tremendous sightseeing is an understatement. Breathtaking.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fweddingmapper.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fassets%2Fphotos%2F11%2F63%2F189713_l.jpg&hash=f3be878e229debc972c4e06231c9177dd50a0aef)
One of many great views in the State Park.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on March 01, 2017, 12:08:01 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2017, 08:39:29 PM
I'm sure that his choice must've stung a bit, Larry, but there's consolation in the fact that, for visiting purposes, Ithaca's in a much prettier part of the country than Bloomington-Normal. Treman State Park, Buttermilk Falls State Park, and Taugannock Falls State Park are tremendous for sightseeing, as is Cayuga Lake.
oh yes, the sights, waterfalls and state parks are better than all the corn fields in Manito  :D

In point of fact, Ithaca has twin tower high rise dorms for which one side faces Cayuga Lake.  Parents are forwarded in summer orientation that if your child has a tendency to get distracted do not allow them to get a dorm room inthe towers facing the lake.

Of course the downside to the area are things like not being able to go back after winter break because of a snow storm that **** down the airport with snow drifted above the double entry doors to the terminal.  And the two dudes you were able to get on the telephone at the airport tell you they are there to prevent damage to the terminl building and are using a CAT front wheel loader to get from the terminal to the 7-11 to get food.  Why is the 7-11 open and yiu are not? I asked.  Answer - the guy at the 7-11 is stranded too!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 12:23:51 AM
Quote from: WUH on February 28, 2017, 06:59:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2017, 06:53:27 PM
That was a D3sports.com Production with our won Frank Rossi. I would have to check with him, but I think he ran into a problem with the high-center cam at some point because his tendency is certainly to follow my protocols and have a cam there. :)

Love it!

If you ever happen to be talking to Frank Rossi and think about it, please give my regards.  Easily one of the best calls I have ever heard.

Talk to him nearly every day. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3HoopJunkie on March 01, 2017, 09:53:17 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 12:23:51 AM
Quote from: WUH on February 28, 2017, 06:59:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2017, 06:53:27 PM
That was a D3sports.com Production with our won Frank Rossi. I would have to check with him, but I think he ran into a problem with the high-center cam at some point because his tendency is certainly to follow my protocols and have a cam there. :)

Love it!

If you ever happen to be talking to Frank Rossi and think about it, please give my regards.  Easily one of the best calls I have ever heard.

Talk to him nearly every day. LOL

YES!! I was at that game! Many Albertus fans and people around the school and CT area always refer to that shot as the play that sparked the Coach Oliver era and the Albertus Magnus basketball teams great run over the years. Not to mention Olivers first BIG TIME recruit in All American Ray Askew. I have hear people over the years refer to that game as one of the biggest upsets in the tourney's recent history. That Willy P team was loaded with talent and they were certainly talked about as legit contenders for that season title

Truly one of the best buzzer beaters I have ever witnessed in person. That angle doesnt due justice in terms of how far Byron Reeves was away from the hoop when he buried that shot! And once I got back and listened to the call on Youtube, that made it that much more sweet! Frank Rossi was outstanding during that game and I have echoed these sentiments in the past toward him already. He is outstanding at what he does and I am sure Dave and D3Hoops.com are glad to have him on board.

Actually Dave, Is there anyway you can give us a run down of where some of your commentators will be doing games from this weekend? Who will be located where? Do you mind sending Frank up to Rochester for the weekend  ;) ;D

He is kind of a good luck charm for us Falcons fans!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 11:50:32 AM
We have bigger plans for this weekend... actually won't have some people anywhere but my studio... more to come.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3HoopJunkie on March 01, 2017, 12:11:45 PM
Interesting.......
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 01, 2017, 02:44:54 PM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on March 01, 2017, 09:53:17 AM
YES!! I was at that game! Many Albertus fans and people around the school and CT area always refer to that shot as the play that sparked the Coach Oliver era and the Albertus Magnus basketball teams great run over the years. Not to mention Olivers first BIG TIME recruit in All American Ray Askew.

Thanks for sharing thoughts on the impact of that shot.  Very interesting.  Hope you guys have a good game against Rochester.  I know nothing of Albertus basketball, but I was a little surprised to see six guys averaging in double figures including two guys averaging almost 20.

Rochester is led by two senior guards who both were named first team all-conference.  They lost a key forward last season, but he was replaced by a 6'10 senior who has been almost as good and made the second team.  They finished the season 0-2 however, so they have some work to do.  I watched the game against Case Western Reserve.  The Spartans stayed patient through the Yellowjacket runs and out hustled them on the rebounds and such.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on March 01, 2017, 05:31:21 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 28, 2017, 06:44:14 PM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 27, 2017, 08:57:23 PM
I am a GNAC/Albertus Magnus supporter and poster and have really only witnessed first hand the Northeast in terms of travel amongst teams.

Quick question: any chance you were at this Albertus Magnus back in 2010: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLVqtEcB_ic

This is easily by favorite buzzer beater of all time...the call and the behind the basket perspective of the camera probably had something to do with that.  I still wonder if that entire game was broadcast with that camera.  I am assuming not, but...

How can the Guilford shot not be anyone's favorite buzzer beater of all time?  ;D ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMV_gvBwL1g

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 01, 2017, 06:35:32 PM
Quote from: hopefan on March 01, 2017, 05:31:21 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 28, 2017, 06:44:14 PM
Quote from: D3HoopJunkie on February 27, 2017, 08:57:23 PM
I am a GNAC/Albertus Magnus supporter and poster and have really only witnessed first hand the Northeast in terms of travel amongst teams.

Quick question: any chance you were at this Albertus Magnus back in 2010: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLVqtEcB_ic

This is easily by favorite buzzer beater of all time...the call and the behind the basket perspective of the camera probably had something to do with that.  I still wonder if that entire game was broadcast with that camera.  I am assuming not, but...

How can the Guilford shot not be anyone's favorite buzzer beater of all time?  ;D ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMV_gvBwL1g

Agreed.  And, amazingly IIRC, a day or two later a TV station asked him to recreate the shot - first try ... swish!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 08:52:50 PM
Honestly... no one is going to beat this: https://youtu.be/P7CyP54B25w

Though last year's Rochester buzzer beater over Chicago is up in the list as well... Jordan Snipes 90-foot heave makes all others pale in comparison.

I believe the next season was the year Guilford was playing Lincoln in the Sweet 16 and Snipes hit a 40-footer, bank-shot to tie the game in regulation at the buzzer. Game went triple-OT and Ben Strong scored 59. There just isn't any video of that one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on March 01, 2017, 08:56:03 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 08:52:50 PM
Honestly... no one is going to beat this: https://youtu.be/P7CyP54B25w

Though last year's Rochester buzzer beater over Chicago is up in the list as well... Jordan Snipes 90-foot heave makes all others pale in comparison.

I believe the next season was the year Guilford was playing Lincoln in the Sweet 16 and Snipes hit a 40-footer, bank-shot to tie the game in regulation at the buzzer. Game went triple-OT and Ben Strong scored 59. There just isn't any video of that one.

If his name is actually Snipes, that is the most fitting name for a long shot maker of all time!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 08:59:37 PM
Yep Jordan Snipes. I would know... said his name a LOT especially in that triple-OT game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ronk on March 01, 2017, 09:16:18 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 08:52:50 PM
Honestly... no one is going to beat this: https://youtu.be/P7CyP54B25w

Though last year's Rochester buzzer beater over Chicago is up in the list as well... Jordan Snipes 90-foot heave makes all others pale in comparison.

I believe the next season was the year Guilford was playing Lincoln in the Sweet 16 and Snipes hit a 40-footer, bank-shot to tie the game in regulation at the buzzer. Game went triple-OT and Ben Strong scored 59. There just isn't any video of that one.

I agree that the Rochester one was very good, especially from the sense of being orchestrated vs free lance.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 01, 2017, 09:18:14 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 08:52:50 PM
Honestly... no one is going to beat this: https://youtu.be/P7CyP54B25w

Though last year's Rochester buzzer beater over Chicago is up in the list as well... Jordan Snipes 90-foot heave makes all others pale in comparison.

I believe the next season was the year Guilford was playing Lincoln in the Sweet 16 and Snipes hit a 40-footer, bank-shot to tie the game in regulation at the buzzer. Game went triple-OT and Ben Strong scored 59. There just isn't any video of that one.

A total shame there is no video.  Ben Strong's game was SO dominant that the four of us in the tourney fantasy contest that season finished 1,2,3,4!  And it would be great to see ANOTHER Snipes' sniper attack! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 09:30:14 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 01, 2017, 09:18:14 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 08:52:50 PM
Honestly... no one is going to beat this: https://youtu.be/P7CyP54B25w

Though last year's Rochester buzzer beater over Chicago is up in the list as well... Jordan Snipes 90-foot heave makes all others pale in comparison.

I believe the next season was the year Guilford was playing Lincoln in the Sweet 16 and Snipes hit a 40-footer, bank-shot to tie the game in regulation at the buzzer. Game went triple-OT and Ben Strong scored 59. There just isn't any video of that one.

A total shame there is no video.  Ben Strong's game was SO dominant that the four of us in the tourney fantasy contest that season finished 1,2,3,4!  And it would be great to see ANOTHER Snipes' sniper attack! ;D

I have the audio of the call! LOL

It was before we were video webstreaming games. It was nearly impossible to get through the Virginia Wesleyan firewalls (yes, plural) to get the audio feed out... can't imagine how hard it would have been to video stream those games (it was hard enough back in 2014 when I tried to do one game there).

Strong's game matched my whats-his-name from Lincoln... mix in Snipes' shot (hit the backboard so hard the thing was still shaking when they went to tip-off)... add in VWC and Mississippi College coming in and out of their locker rooms to watch and wait... and the rest of the players playing a great game... and it is still one of the best DIII tournament games I have ever seen in person. Too bad the following game between to top ten players ended up being a dud.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on March 01, 2017, 10:09:21 PM
QuoteStrong's game matched my whats-his-name from Lincoln

Kyle Myrick?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 10:21:19 PM
Thanks, Gordon... totally brain fried. Appreciate it!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 01, 2017, 10:26:52 PM

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 08:52:50 PM
Honestly... no one is going to beat this: https://youtu.be/P7CyP54B25w

Nearly the exact thing happened in an Indiana state tournament game last night, two steps shorter maybe.


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 01, 2017, 10:30:36 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 28, 2017, 06:59:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2017, 06:53:27 PM
That was a D3sports.com Production with our won Frank Rossi. I would have to check with him, but I think he ran into a problem with the high-center cam at some point because his tendency is certainly to follow my protocols and have a cam there. :)

Love it!

If you ever happen to be talking to Frank Rossi and think about it, please give my regards.  Easily one of the best calls I have ever heard.

Actually, I've always thought that the call was somewhat ruined because Frank's partner stepped all over Frank's call and thus made it incoherent. Commentators are supposed to let the PBP guys call the action -- and, yes, that includes the big plays, too. Frank did an ace job of getting it up to that point, though, including the fact that he snuck in the all-important detail about Albertus Magnus not having any timeouts left as the Falcons were inbounding the ball.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on March 02, 2017, 11:35:56 AM
I was just checking out Emory's basketball page (http://emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/index) (cool scrolling accolades, which brought all of this to my attention as well) and I didn't realize how much success they have had recently! 5 straight NCAA births (2013-2017) and riding three straight trips to the Sweet Sixteen (2014-2016) is no easy task. Congrats to the Eagles and the program they have built.

I may be off on this but seems somewhat quite compared to other successful programs recently like Babson/Augustana/St. Thomas/NESCAC School dejour/Wash U. Probably because they have yet to punch their ticket to Salem, but there is always this year!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2017, 12:04:01 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on March 02, 2017, 11:35:56 AM
I was just checking out Emory's basketball page (http://emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/index) (cool scrolling accolades, which brought all of this to my attention as well) and I didn't realize how much success they have had recently! 5 straight NCAA births (2013-2017) and riding three straight trips to the Sweet Sixteen (2014-2016) is no easy task. Congrats to the Eagles and the program they have built.

I may be off on this but seems somewhat quite compared to other successful programs recently like Babson/Augustana/St. Thomas/NESCAC School dejour/Wash U. Probably because they have yet to punch their ticket to Salem, but there is always this year!

They tend to get the positives and negatives of geographic isolation that tends to make it a little easier to win the first weekend and more difficult to win the second.  They've certainly had good teams the last few years.  I'm not as high on this year's squad comparatively, but I think they're the favorite in their pod, at least.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2017, 02:10:42 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2017, 12:04:01 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on March 02, 2017, 11:35:56 AM
I was just checking out Emory's basketball page (http://emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/index) (cool scrolling accolades, which brought all of this to my attention as well) and I didn't realize how much success they have had recently! 5 straight NCAA births (2013-2017) and riding three straight trips to the Sweet Sixteen (2014-2016) is no easy task. Congrats to the Eagles and the program they have built.

I may be off on this but seems somewhat quite compared to other successful programs recently like Babson/Augustana/St. Thomas/NESCAC School dejour/Wash U. Probably because they have yet to punch their ticket to Salem, but there is always this year!

They tend to get the positives and negatives of geographic isolation that tends to make it a little easier to win the first weekend and more difficult to win the second.  They've certainly had good teams the last few years.  I'm not as high on this year's squad comparatively, but I think they're the favorite in their pod, at least.

I actually disagree... I think the favorite is Hardin-Simmons and not because they are hosting. Nathaniel Jack is the first reason and the rest of this teammates are the second. This is a very good team. I will be actually disappointed if HSU doesn't get out of the weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 02, 2017, 02:30:11 PM
That Guilford buzzer beater was truly incredible, but I'll take the Albertus Magnus buzzer beater because of the call and the high stakes nature of the shot.

As for Emory, I think it all depends on which team shows up...

They have looked very good at times and awful at others.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Red Hawks on March 02, 2017, 05:47:49 PM
Quote from: WUH on March 02, 2017, 02:30:11 PM
That Guilford buzzer beater was truly incredible, but I'll take the Albertus Magnus buzzer beater because of the call and the high stakes nature of the shot.

As for Emory, I think it all depends on which team shows up...

They have looked very good at times and awful at others.

I prefer these "buzzer beaters"  ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mlHxHNlzpA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzEi4-kW8t4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpblsU5puL4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcDLNmNvIVA

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2017, 11:04:34 AM
Glad to have a Ripon poster and welcome to the NCAA Tournament. Whole different ballgame up here!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 03, 2017, 11:20:24 AM
Quote from: Red Hawks on March 02, 2017, 05:47:49 PM
I prefer these "buzzer beaters"  ;-)

Indeed!

Good luck this afternoon--may the best team win.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on March 03, 2017, 11:49:37 AM
Quote from: WUH on March 03, 2017, 11:20:24 AM
Quote from: Red Hawks on March 02, 2017, 05:47:49 PM
I prefer these "buzzer beaters"  ;-)

Indeed!

Good luck this afternoon--may the best team win.

Looking forward to seeing both teams at the De Vos today.  Should be a great couple of games - at least I Hope so :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 03, 2017, 06:15:06 PM
Ripon leads Washington University at the half, 42-27.

Ty Sabin leads all scorers with 25 on 9-13 shooting.  I had been bragging all year about the defensive prowess of Clinton Hooks and Jake Knupp, but what do you do against a guy who can knock it down from 25-27 feet out and then take it inside and just...

The Bears looked uncharacteristically nervous in the first 10 minutes even after leading by 7 after the first five minutes.  Then, they looked a bit stunned as Sabin took over.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2017, 06:19:28 PM
There was a 14-2 run by Ripon, or something like that, in the second ten minutes in which Sabin looked like a human highlight reel.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 03, 2017, 06:25:56 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2017, 06:19:28 PM
There was a 14-2 run by Ripon, or something like that, in the second ten minutes in which Sabin looked like a human highlight reel.

I would normally be a bit more calm at this point with the team down 15, but the fact that Sabin is on pace to match his 50 point performance from last week and Washington University does not seem to have an answers...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 03, 2017, 06:57:23 PM
Clinton Hooks had been doing an incredible job guarding Ty Sabin, but seems to be tiring a bit.  Washington University has found a way to battle back to within two, 65-63.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 03, 2017, 07:01:24 PM
I remember following the 2008-2009 game against Lawrence on live stats.  I am not sure if that was better or worse.  Not that we are even close to that.  67-67 with 4:15.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2017, 07:05:08 PM
The Bears are just wearing Ripon down with their size. Every Red Hawks miss is ending up in a Wash U rebounder's hands.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 03, 2017, 07:19:25 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2017, 07:05:08 PM
The Bears are just wearing Ripon down with their size. Every Red Hawks miss is ending up in a Wash U rebounder's hands.

The single biggest factor...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 03, 2017, 07:27:13 PM
The Magnificent 7 ride again as Washington University defeats Ripon, 87-72.

Ty Sabin is an absolute superstar, finishing with 43 points, but he slows significantly in the second half.  Ripon is too one-dimensional to stave off the comeback.

Washington University has three guys with 20 or more as Clinton Hooks (25), Andrew Sanders (23) and Matt Highsmith (20) go big in the second half.  Kevin Kucera with the double-double scores 10 and dishes 11 assists.

Hooks goes 7-11 from three point range in what is easily the best game of his career (and no other game is close).  He made Ty Sabin work for mostly everything.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2017, 07:32:15 PM
Quote from: WUH on March 03, 2017, 07:27:13 PM
Hooks goes 7-11 from three point range in what is easily the best game of his career (and no other game is close).  He made Ty Sabin work for mostly everything.

I wouldn't go that far, although Hooks was, indeed, tremendous at the offensive end. Sabin did whatever he wanted in the first half. In the second half, I think that he just started forcing his shots, because his teammates went cold from the corners whenever he kicked out. I don't really think that the defense Hooks played on him was that much of a factor. The best thing that Wash U did defensively was to take the ball out of Sabin's hands up top in the second half when he brought the ball up the floor by running a second man at him, forcing the Red Hawks to swing the ball around for a bit in order to get him re-set.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 03, 2017, 10:59:29 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2017, 07:32:15 PM
I don't really think that the defense Hooks played on him was that much of a factor. The best thing that Wash U did defensively was to take the ball out of Sabin's hands up top in the second half when he brought the ball up the floor by running a second man at him, forcing the Red Hawks to swing the ball around for a bit in order to get him re-set.

Ripon needed to watch the Rochester tape from the first game...

As for Clinton Hooks though, I thought saying that he made Ty Sabin work for everything was fair.  I am not saying he shut Sabin down.  Sabin had 34 field goal attempts after all.  But, Hooks was on Sabin tight for 36 minutes for the most part, though Hooks slowed a bit down the stretch.  Sabin made a lot of tough shots look easy.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2017, 11:03:47 PM
Sorry, WUH, I just don't agree. Sabin made a lot of tough shots look easy because he's that good. But he was forcing shots down the stretch because his teammates started to falter, not because Hooks was playing good defense on him. Sabin spent a lot of time darting and dancing around Hooks to get to the rim or manufacture open midrange looks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 03, 2017, 11:19:29 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2017, 11:03:47 PM
Sabin made a lot of tough shots look easy because he's that good. But he was forcing shots down the stretch because his teammates started to falter, not because Hooks was playing good defense on him. Sabin spent a lot of time darting and dancing around Hooks to get to the rim or manufacture open midrange looks.

His teammates only missed on six shots in the second half scoring five less points overall.  They missed more in the first than they did the second.  The rebounding dropped for Ripon in the second.

In my opinion, a guy is forcing a shot when he shoots from 25 feet out.  He was taking those in the first half.  He had this incredible fadeaway jumper from 12 feet out.  First half.  He shot the vast majority of those midrange jumpers over Hooks.  Darting and dancing around him...we will have to agree to disagree on that one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 04, 2017, 12:01:41 AM
Quote from: WUH on March 03, 2017, 11:19:29 PM
His teammates only missed on six shots in the second half scoring five less points overall.  They missed more in the first than they did the second.

Yeah, but he wasn't driving and kicking in the first half. It definitely seemed to me that he lost faith in his teammates' ability to knock down the corner treys when necessary, or perhaps he's simply used to upping his shot frequency when games are tight down the stretch.

Quote from: WUH on March 03, 2017, 11:19:29 PM
In my opinion, a guy is forcing a shot when he shoots from 25 feet out.  He was taking those in the first half.  He had this incredible fadeaway jumper from 12 feet out.  First half.  He shot the vast majority of those midrange jumpers over Hooks.  Darting and dancing around him...we will have to agree to disagree on that one.

From what I've been told, super-long shots like that are part of Sabin's bag of tricks in almost every game, regardless of competition. He's very much like Wheaton's Aston Francis in that regard. He feels that he's in range from the moment he steps on the floor, and he doesn't regard the shots as being forced. However, those shots do tend to be forced down the stretch in a tough game against a bigger opponent because even a marvel like Sabin can wear down when he feels he has to take on the opposition all by himself. As for the midrange stuff, it all came after he cleared some space between himself and Hooks (who is three inches taller).

No offense to Hooks, who, as I said, played a fantastic game at the offensive end of the floor. I just don't think that he had that much of an impact defensively against Sabin, that's all.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 04, 2017, 01:11:57 AM
I think someone has to do more or less exactly what Clinton Hooks did because, as you said, Ty Sabin is that good.  It becomes a team effort from there.  Maybe Lake Forest or Monmouth had one guy who defended him more vigorously...

I stand by everything else I said, but unlike Clinton Hooks, I have lost the will to defend it...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 04, 2017, 01:29:56 AM
I am going to clear the slate and post this again with a few updates:

Washington University defeats Ripon, 87-72.

Washington University has three guys with 20 or more as Clinton Hooks (25), Andrew Sanders (23) and Matt Highsmith (20) go big in the second half. 

Hooks goes 7-11 from three point range in what is easily the best game of his career (and no other game is close).  He made Ty Sabin work for mostly everything.  The 7-11 was a career high from range, but was one point away from his career high of 26.

Kevin Kucera with the double-double scores 10 and dishes 11 assists.  Knupp had 6 assists.  Both Kucera and Knupp finished without a turnover.

Washington University advances to play Hope College tomorrow at 7:00 EST.
__________

In other UAA games...

Emory defeats Texas Lutheran, 82-69.  Adam Gigax and Jim Gordon again lead the way.  The Eagles will play Hardin Simmons tomorrow at 8:00 EST.
 
Rochester over Albertus Magnus, 89-66. Sam Borst-Smith and Mack Montague finished with 24 and 20.  Rochester had more fouls and turnovers than usual...  Rochester will play Union tomorrow at 7:00 EST.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on March 04, 2017, 03:38:44 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 04, 2017, 12:01:41 AM
Quote from: WUH on March 03, 2017, 11:19:29 PM
His teammates only missed on six shots in the second half scoring five less points overall.  They missed more in the first than they did the second.

Yeah, but he wasn't driving and kicking in the first half. It definitely seemed to me that he lost faith in his teammates' ability to knock down the corner treys when necessary, or perhaps he's simply used to upping his shot frequency when games are tight down the stretch.

Quote from: WUH on March 03, 2017, 11:19:29 PM
In my opinion, a guy is forcing a shot when he shoots from 25 feet out.  He was taking those in the first half.  He had this incredible fadeaway jumper from 12 feet out.  First half.  He shot the vast majority of those midrange jumpers over Hooks.  Darting and dancing around him...we will have to agree to disagree on that one.

From what I've been told, super-long shots like that are part of Sabin's bag of tricks in almost every game, regardless of competition. He's very much like Wheaton's Aston Francis in that regard. He feels that he's in range from the moment he steps on the floor, and he doesn't regard the shots as being forced. However, those shots do tend to be forced down the stretch in a tough game against a bigger opponent because even a marvel like Sabin can wear down when he feels he has to take on the opposition all by himself. As for the midrange stuff, it all came after he cleared some space between himself and Hooks (who is three inches taller).

No offense to Hooks, who, as I said, played a fantastic game at the offensive end of the floor. I just don't think that he had that much of an impact defensively against Sabin, that's all.
If they still have the "all-star" game at Salem could you imagine Sabin and Francis on the same team?  Nobody else would get the ball to shoot.  Two guys bombing away with three to rebound so they can shoot it again!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2017, 04:23:07 PM
They do still have the All-Star game... has been a big hit since it was introduced. Remember 2 members from each region selected plus two additional from the D3hoops.com Fan Vote.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on March 04, 2017, 04:49:39 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2017, 04:23:07 PM
They do still have the All-Star game... has been a big hit since it was introduced. Remember 2 members from each region selected plus two additional from the D3hoops.com Fan Vote.

Unfortunately Francis will not be eligible for two years as he is only a Sophomore. Sabin on the other hand, will be there if he chooses so, as Dave hinted yesterday he will be there one way or another (with Ripon or NABC All-Star Game). I wonder who the second will be out of the Central... Juwan Henry possibly? Probably also depends which WIAC school and if WashU are still playing.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 04, 2017, 05:57:47 PM
Well, of course I'm biased, but I certainly hope that Juwan Henry will be the second Central Region player in the All-Star game alongside Sabin. After all, like Sabin, Henry is a 2,000-point scorer and a d3hoops.com All-American.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 04, 2017, 07:46:27 PM
Hope with a huge first half holds a 53-37 lead over Washington University.

Again, the Bears go in to the locker room trailing by 15.

The front court is definitely not used to defending the perimeter, but they have to find a way as Cody Stuive is 4-5 from three point range and is 5-8 from the field.  Coach Edwards has used both Kevin Kucera and Jake Knupp on Dante Hawkins, but he is unstoppable.

The Bears always play better when the game is called tight...anyone who has ever followed my posts would probably guess that I do not like the way this game is being called.  Nothing will change my mind on that.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 04, 2017, 07:49:08 PM
Rochester leads Union at the half, 34-22, at the Palestra.

Wash U trails Hope at DeVos at intermission, 52-37. Wash U's cut-and-pass game led to the Bears getting to the rim a lot early, but they missed several layups. Meanwhile, the Dutch began raining threes and never stopped throughout the half, going 9-17 (53%), while the Hope defense tightened up considerably. Kevin Kucera's 4-5 performance from downtown (16 pts overall) is what kept the Bears from getting blown off the floor in the first half.

The interesting thing to me is that Kucera was only a 29% shooter from deep this season coming into tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 04, 2017, 08:16:16 PM
Echo, echo, echo...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 04, 2017, 08:53:55 PM
Hope beats Wash U, 94-80. Cody Stuive (37 points) and Dante Hawkins (26 points) went a combined 14-17 from downtown.

Wash U managed to hang around, but never really made it within striking distance. Kevin Kucera (25 pts, 5-8 from deep) had a really solid game for the Bears.

Rochester easily defeated Union, 82-60, to move on to the Sweet Sixteen. Emory trails Hardin-Simmons by nine early in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 04, 2017, 09:00:44 PM
WTF Sager?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 04, 2017, 09:09:02 PM
What do you mean?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 04, 2017, 09:09:53 PM
Hope is in the zone.  Their women's team just gave Thomas More their first loss since 2014!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 04, 2017, 09:15:34 PM
Hope College defeats Washington University, 94-80.

As far as big games go and the talk about Ty Sabin last night, the performance of the weekend was by Cody Stuive tonight who shot 10-11 from three and 12-17 overall en route to 37 points.  But, Hope was the better team tonight...Dante Hawkins was clutch, scoring 26 on 7-13 shooting.  Harrison Blackledge had 15.

Washington University struggled to solve the Hope pick and roll in the first half.  The second half adjustments helped.  And, Washington University outscored Hope 43-42 in the second half, but the damage was done. 

Kevin Kucera finished with 25 including a 5-8 performance from three point range.  His ability to knock down the three was not a surprise to those who follow the team.  David Schmelter finished with 17 including four dunks.  Clinton Hooks and Andrew Sanders both finished with 13 on 5-14 shooting, but looked out of sorts early.

The Bears did win the battle of the boards 44-36 but had a few more turnovers.

Washington University exits the tournament in the second round yet again.  Three pointers were the story line yet again.  The Bears finish the season 21-6 with just the second road loss on the season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 04, 2017, 09:37:51 PM
How tall is Stuive? I don't know much about Hope, but he's listed at their center and he shoots 10-11 from 3??? Wow! Hard to beat that.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 04, 2017, 09:47:57 PM
Stuive is 6'7, 205. He and Harrison Blackledge (6'6, 210) really function more as dual stretch-fours than as a traditional center-and-power-forward combo, because they both post up a lot and they both go out on the floor to shoot roughly the same number of trey attempts on the season. I actually think that, if you had to pick one as the center, it'd be Blackledge, because he's more the muscle guy of the two (which is fitting, considering that his dad is college football analyst and former NFL quarterback Todd Blackledge), and he takes more shots from in close than does Stuive.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 04, 2017, 09:57:07 PM
Hardin-Simmons knocks off Emory, 95-85, so Rochester is the only UAA team to advance to the second weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on March 05, 2017, 12:02:37 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 04, 2017, 09:37:51 PM
How tall is Stuive? I don't know much about Hope, but he's listed at their center and he shoots 10-11 from 3??? Wow! Hard to beat that.

Stuive is indeed 6'7", and has the wingspan of a 7 footer. Always has had a good outside shot, but this kind of performance was a very pleasant surprise. He's a tough matchup though for most teams. 2nd Hope player this season to hit 10 threes in a game - Chad Carlson went 10-17 against Olivet last month
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dutchfan on March 05, 2017, 09:35:39 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on March 05, 2017, 12:02:37 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 04, 2017, 09:37:51 PM
How tall is Stuive? I don't know much about Hope, but he's listed at their center and he shoots 10-11 from 3??? Wow! Hard to beat that.

Stuive is indeed 6'7", and has the wingspan of a 7 footer. Always has had a good outside shot, but this kind of performance was a very pleasant surprise. He's a tough matchup though for most teams. 2nd Hope player this season to hit 10 threes in a game - Chad Carlson went 10-17 against Olivet last month

Oddly enough Stuive is the tallest player on Hope's team at 6'7" and Carlson is the shortest at 5'7".
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on March 08, 2017, 02:33:37 PM
Quote from: Dutchfan on March 05, 2017, 09:35:39 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on March 05, 2017, 12:02:37 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 04, 2017, 09:37:51 PM
How tall is Stuive? I don't know much about Hope, but he's listed at their center and he shoots 10-11 from 3??? Wow! Hard to beat that.

Stuive is indeed 6'7", and has the wingspan of a 7 footer. Always has had a good outside shot, but this kind of performance was a very pleasant surprise. He's a tough matchup though for most teams. 2nd Hope player this season to hit 10 threes in a game - Chad Carlson went 10-17 against Olivet last month
Oddly enough Stuive is the tallest player on Hope's team at 6'7" and Carlson is the shortest at 5'7".
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 08, 2017, 10:49:48 PM
Quote from: sac on March 01, 2017, 10:26:52 PM

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 08:52:50 PM
Honestly... no one is going to beat this: https://youtu.be/P7CyP54B25w

Nearly the exact thing happened in an Indiana state tournament game last night, two steps shorter maybe.

https://youtu.be/Q5wFjtWOgD8

I think this is it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 10, 2017, 11:27:44 PM
Washington University holds a 3-1 record against teams in the Elite 8.  :'(
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Congratulations to Rochester as the Yellowjackets defeated Marietta, 85-80..

Mack Montague scored 27 to lead the team in scoring.  Sam Borst-Smith and Zach Ayers added 17 and 13.  It looks like Ryan Clamage played a big role, scoring 11 including a key lay-up and rebound in final seconds of the game.  He finished with 6 rebounds.  Clamage averages 17 minutes per game, but played 27 tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 20, 2017, 03:33:42 PM
Congratulations to the University of Rochester for advancing to the Elite 8 and coming oh so close to yet another Final Four. 

A host of UAA players garnered end of season accolades in the last two weeks including Sam Borst-Smith, Mack Montague, Andrew Sanders, Adam Gigax, and Jack Serbin.

Here is a quick look at how the UAA teams finished the season including the final records and key seniors lost to graduation.  I included a rough draft look at players who are returning for 2017-2018. There are more to add. 

Washington University 21-6, 12-2 UAA
Key seniors: Michael Bregman, Clinton Hooks.
Key players returning: Andrew Sanders, Matt Highsmith, Jake Knupp, Kevin Kucera, David Schmelter and Marcus Meyer.

Rochester, 24-5, 10-4 UAA
Key seniors: Sam Borst-Smith, Mack Montague, and Zach Ayers.
Key players returning: Jacob Wittig, Ryan Clamage, Tucker Knox, and Andrew Lundstrom.

Emory 19-8, 9-5 UAA
Key seniors:  include Jim Gordon, Austin DaGue, and Jonathan Terry.
Key players returning: Adam Gigax, Christopher Avant, and Whit Rapp.

Chicago 16-9, 8-6 UAA
Key seniors: Blaine Crawford, Alex Gustafson, Tyler Howard and Waller Perez.
Key players returning: Jake Fenlon, Noah Karras, Collin Barthel, Ryan Jacobson, and Jordan Baum.

Carnegie Mellon 14-12, 8-6

Key seniors: Jack Serbin, Chris Shkil.
Key players returning: Ryan Maha, Colin McNeil, Seth Henry, Zach Howarth, and Patrick Ehland.

Brandeis 8-16, 4-10 UAA
Key seniors: Tim Reale, Robinson Vilmont and Jack Fay.
Key players returning: Jordan Cooper, Eric D'Aguanno, Nate Meehan, and Collin Sawyer.

Case Western Reserve 8-17, 3-11 UAA

Key seniors: Javi Alvarez.
Key players returning: T.J. Duckett, Connor Nally, Colin Zucker, Sam Hansen, David Chambers, and the twins.

NYU 7-18, 2-12
Key seniors: Joe Timmes
Key players returning: Ross Udine, Jimmy Martinelli, Cameron Moore, Doug Gertner, Ted Georgidadis, Jordan Harris, Jack Heller.
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Having detailed all that, here is how I believe the UAA teams will finish in 2017-2018:

Washington University, UAA Champions
Chicago
Rochester
Case Western Reserve
Emory
Carngie Mellon
NYU
Brandeis
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on March 20, 2017, 05:17:00 PM
Wuh good job. I don't follow uaa much except for Wash U. It appears Chicago loses the most bodies, but you still like them for second.  Can you go in to more detail?  Thanks.   
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 20, 2017, 06:17:33 PM
I can foresee there being a huge logjam in the 2-4 or 2-5 spots. However, based solely upon returning rosters (which, of course, can turn out to be a slender reed to lean upon for prognostication's sake), there is a significant gap between Wash U and the rest of the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 20, 2017, 06:26:48 PM
+1 Thanks and Chicago over Rochester was the toughest call to make.

Just my novice opinion based on returning players, established results and assumptions:

Chicago will be favored at the post with Collin Barthel, though I was very impressed with Andrew Lundstrom this season.  Again with assumptions, but Ryan Jacobsen and Tucker Know are a wash.

Rochester has a now veteran point guard in Jacob Wittig with Ryan Clamage ready to play the starting shooting guard, but I am making some assumptions on Jordan Baum and saying that Chicago will have the better of the guard play overall with Jake Fenlon and Noah Karras. 

As part of the guard play, Chicago will be the best three point shooting team in the conference next year and probably by a significant margin.
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on March 20, 2017, 11:56:02 PM
I was thinking Emory would be the second... care to explain why they were so low WUH?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 21, 2017, 01:46:39 PM
I have a feeling that Coach Zimmerman would have a good laugh if he were to hear about my No. 5 ranking.

He might laugh too that I left guys off the key returning players list such as Gebereal Baitey (my mistake!) who scored in double figures in 7 of the final 8 conference games and Nick Tupanjanin who scored 12 points in 12 minutes in the first half of the tourney game against Texas Lutheran. 

I am sure Emory has more talent and will get their share of wins, but I was concerned by the way they played at times this season including those dreadful road losses against Rochester and Washington University.  Emory in general and their leading scorer in particular will have to pose a more consistent offensive threat.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 22, 2017, 12:38:52 PM
Damn you Josh Whitman: http://www.news-gazette.com/sports/illini-sports/mens-basketball/2017-03-22/whitman-set-make-another-hire.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on March 22, 2017, 02:16:01 PM
Quote from: WUH on March 22, 2017, 12:38:52 PM
Damn you Josh Whitman: http://www.news-gazette.com/sports/illini-sports/mens-basketball/2017-03-22/whitman-set-make-another-hire.html

Too bad for the WashU girls but that is quite the step up for her and as a fan of D3 basketball as a whole, I really like to see this move.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 22, 2017, 03:02:37 PM
It will be very cool to see what Nancy Fahey can do at the Division I level.  It is a great opportunity to take on a new challenge.  Looking forward to the day that she matches up with Geno...

Fahey is leaving behind what will be one of the most coveted jobs in Division III basketball.  The University is hiring a new Athletic Director, but soon enough, it will be time to go poach the University of Chicago as we did with volleyball or DePauw.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 23, 2017, 12:10:36 PM
The University press release announcing the news on Nancy Fahey had quotes from the Chancellor and Dean of Student Affairs.  Not a lot departures would garner that much attention.  Mark Edwards is also quoted, but he had more to say to the student newspaper who also talked to senior Jenn Dynis.

Worth the read for anyone who cares about the program.

Fahey heads north to Illinois
http://www.studlife.com/sports/womens-basketball/2017/03/23/fahey-heads-north-to-illinois/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 24, 2017, 12:02:59 AM
Quote from: WUH on March 23, 2017, 12:10:36 PM
The University press release announcing the news on Nancy Fahey had quotes from the Chancellor and Dean of Student Affairs.  Not a lot departures would garner that much attention.  Mark Edwards is also quoted, but he had more to say to the student newspaper who also talked to senior Jenn Dynis.

Worth the read for anyone who cares about the program.

Fahey heads north to Illinois
http://www.studlife.com/sports/womens-basketball/2017/03/23/fahey-heads-north-to-illinois/

Well written story. Kudos!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 24, 2017, 11:33:20 AM
Thanks Pat for the note...that may prompt others to read it.

Washington University has long had a great student newspaper with talented sports writers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 24, 2017, 11:42:59 AM
As an aside, Washington University remains No. 1 in the Learfield Director's Cup in the latest rankings with a 167 point lead over Williams which jumped from No. 10 to No. 2 thanks to skiing and wrestling and others sports that the Bears do not have. 

Washington University does field competitive varsity teams in all the sports still in competition, I believe.

Chicago, Emory, Carnegie Mellon and Brandeis are all currently Top 50 programs...

Winter Standings

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacda/sports/directorscup/auto_pdf/2016-17/misc_non_event/March16DIIIOverall.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on March 24, 2017, 01:39:16 PM
Very well written and researched article.  It has a polish one does not often see in a student written article (and take that from one who attempted to write sports for a student newspaper).

I think Fahey will do well at Illinois.  I do suspect this migration to Illinois not yet over for WashU unfortunately.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 30, 2017, 10:44:47 AM
Thinking a little about how the Washington University roster will look and how roles may change next season after the departure of Clinton Hooks and Michael Bregman.

If we consider players that played 5 minutes or more per game, I think it looks something like this:

Point Guard: Kevin Kucera, Matt Nester
Shooting Guard: Jake Knupp
Small Forward: Matt Highsmith, DeVaughn Rucker
Power Forward: Andrew Sanders
Center: David Schmelter, Marcus Meyer


Jake Knupp played the shooting guard role this season, but did not take a lot of shots from three point range (4th on the team overall in attempts) despite shooting 42% in conference play.  My prediction is that he will be asked to shoot more often.

Matt Highsmith may move to the small forward role though he may also back up Andrew Sanders at times.  My prediction is that Highsmith will look to add the three point shot to his game for next season.  Highsmith started shooting from three in conference play and shot 33% on 15 attempts.  He is one of the best shooters in the league and was probably a 43-45% shooter from the 15-17 foot range. 

Matt Nester had 32 assists and 11 turnovers in 7 minutes per game and quickly established himself as the go-to back-up point guard.  Nester shot 39% from three as well.  Nester may play the shooting guard at times.

DeVaughn Rucker has the potential to play just about every position, but will probably be out on the wing.  My prediction is that Rucker is going to be an all UAA conference player in 2018-2019.  Rucker got Division I looks and Division II offers in high school.  The fans had a glimpse as to why this year.  Definitely looking forward to next year.

Other questions include Sasha Sobolev and Jack Wiernicki along with the underclassmen.  Might Sobolev establish himself as the 6th reason to see the class of 2018 as the best since 2009 or 2010?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 30, 2017, 11:22:40 AM
Aaron Brezel and Student Life delivered on yet another worthwhile read on Nancy Fahey and Mark Edwards.

82 steps: How the Fahey-Edwards friendship defined Wash. U. basketball
http://www.studlife.com/sports/2017/03/30/82-steps-how-the-fahey-edwards-friendship-defined-wash-u-basketball/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 04, 2017, 09:55:21 PM
Your Bears have a pretty amazing road trip ahead of them next season, WUH:

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule

On Sunday, December 8, they'll play at Alma. That's a one-way busride of eight hours, and then some. Or will they be flying into Saginaw or Detroit and then busing it from there?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on April 05, 2017, 06:31:32 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on April 04, 2017, 09:55:21 PM
Your Bears have a pretty amazing road trip ahead of them next season, WUH:

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule

On Sunday, December 8, they'll play at Alma. That's a one-way busride of eight hours, and then some. Or will they be flying into Saginaw or Detroit and then busing it from there?

I think you may have misread the date, Greg. Wash U plays Alma on a Sunday,  but it's December 3rd. Still a long road trip. :D I'm guessing they fly to that one! 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 05, 2017, 09:23:26 AM
The Washington University vs. Alma game already has the live stats active.

I'll probably have this window open on my desktop counting down for the next 242 days.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FoRiQphv.jpg&hash=12855b5d806c2dcb1a66632b66ac6195deca5f90)

I was surprised to see Alma on the schedule.  According to the series records, the teams have never played before.  The Bears have not matched up against the MIAA very often and lately it has been in the tourney.

0-2 record against Calvin
0-1 record against Albion
2-1 record against Hope
1-0 record against Kalamazoo
1-0 record against Adrian

Possibly a few games against St. Mary's, but it is hard to know when there is more than one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 05, 2017, 09:39:20 AM
Wait a minute, St. Mary's is a women's liberal arts college next door to Notre Dame, right?

I know so little about the MIAA...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 05, 2017, 10:43:24 AM
Quote from: WUH on April 05, 2017, 09:39:20 AM
Wait a minute, St. Mary's is a women's liberal arts college next door to Notre Dame, right?

That's correct.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 05, 2017, 10:54:45 AM
Thanks Pat! Let's assume then that those three games against St. Mary's should not be counted towards the Washington University vs. MIAA record of 4-4.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 05, 2017, 02:34:15 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 05, 2017, 10:43:24 AM
Quote from: WUH on April 05, 2017, 09:39:20 AM
Wait a minute, St. Mary's is a women's liberal arts college next door to Notre Dame, right?

That's correct.

Their sports teams have one of the cleverest nicknames in all of college sports: the Belles.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on April 14, 2017, 07:38:04 AM
Wash U landed a big recruit out of the Chicago suburbs yesterday...

https://twitter.com/jnols_21/status/852655809234448384

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m7fKlB2iZ0

http://www.ihsa.org/IHSAState/IHSAStateArticles/tabid/768/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/1228/2016-17-IBCA-Boys-Basketball-All-State-Teams.aspx


Jack Nolan is a 6-1 PG from Benet Academy who can really shoot the basketball.  In terms of small college PG recruits, Nolan was kind of the guy this year in the Chicago area.  D3s like Chicago, Illinois Wesleyan, and Augustana pursued him aggressively and I know he had scholarships from a few D2s (Lewis being one).

I'd have to imagine Nolan sees a lot of time as a freshman next year and eventually develops into a great player for the Bears.  I have heard nothing but positives about this kid.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 14, 2017, 09:37:26 AM
One of the quotes I had read on Jack Nolan from his coach in the Chicago Tribune:

"Sometimes the tale of the tape discourages people and the skill level doesn't get the credit it deserves," Heidkamp said. "He can do three things that I think is unique for a high school player to be able to do all three.

"He can catch and shoot, he can create his own shot, and he can shoot on the move. You do not find many high school players who can do that. That is something people are missing the boat on."


I am going to take a guess and say that he moves to the shooting guard role, but we shall see.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: 4samuy on April 14, 2017, 09:55:55 PM
I've seen Jack a couple times live and I can tell you this, HE CAN SHOOT!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 21, 2017, 10:31:52 AM
There is a senior year highlight video for Sam Borst-Smith to go along with the junior year highlight video I posted earlier in the season.  Definitely worth watching.

I have no idea who did these, but both are particularly well done.  I love how the producer included the calls by Jay Murry and others periodically in the same way you might find in a professional documentary.

Senior Year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdaDvdCT94E

Junior Year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp9gYwdGrfM
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 18, 2017, 10:12:13 AM
Washington University remains in first place in the latest Director's Cup standings and are a mere 47 points ahead of 30 sport juggernaut Williams.

I believe the only sports we have left are baseball, softball, tennis and track and field (someone correct me if I am wrong).  The Washington University softball team is the only program from both institutions not to have qualified for one of the remaining championships.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on May 18, 2017, 07:48:19 PM
Quote from: WUH on May 18, 2017, 10:12:13 AM
Washington University remains in first place in the latest Director's Cup standings and are a mere 47 points ahead of 30 sport juggernaut Williams.

I believe the only sports we have left are baseball, softball, tennis and track and field (someone correct me if I am wrong).  The Washington University softball team is the only program from both institutions not to have qualified for one of the remaining championships.

I thought softball was in one of the regionals but got eliminated. Baseball regional started today. Bears lost to North Central 3-1. Maybe they can beat Greenville tomorrow and get back in the winners bracket.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 21, 2017, 06:24:06 PM
It looks like I made two mistakes in my previous post.

Washington University softball did win the UAA and advanced to the NCAA tournament while Williams baseball did not.

Washington University baseball is out of the tournament after losing yesterday to Wartburg in extra innings.  Williams softball has advanced to the championship and will play again on Thursday.

Track and Field also begins on Thursday.

Both Washington University and Williams mens and womens tennis are in the tournament and play again tomorrow.  To add to the intrigue, the Williams teams must play Emory and Chicago in the next round.


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 22, 2017, 05:53:39 PM
Washington University Women's Tennis was knocked out in round 1.  The Men are trailing Bowdoin, but they are not out yet.

The Williams Women's Tennis team knocked out Chicago and move on while the Men lead Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 22, 2017, 09:15:38 PM
Washington University and Williams Men's Tennis both go down. Thanks Emory and best of luck against Bowdoin.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 30, 2017, 12:08:29 PM
The Director's Cup final results will be announced on Thursday.

Washington University held a 47 point lead on Williams with the champion, I believe, to be determined by baseball, softball, tennis and track and field.  Here are the final team results in those sports.  I am not sure if individual results are a factor.

Williams defeated Washington University by a 54 point margin last year.  It seems as though the margin of victory will be even smaller this year.

Baseball
Washington University, 1-2 in NCAA Regional
Williams DNQ

Softball
Washington University, 1-2 in NCAA Regional
Williams, 2-2 in NCAA Championships

Tennis
Washington University Women, Quarterfinals
Washington University Men, Quarterfinals
Williams Women, National Champions!
Williams Men, Quarterfinals

Track and Field
Washington University Women, National Champions!
Washington University Men, 9th Place
Williams Women, 3rd Place
Williams Men, 13th Place
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 30, 2017, 12:20:19 PM
Correction: Washington University has a 51.75 point lead on Williams.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 01, 2017, 08:59:08 AM
Washington University finishes second yet again to Williams.

The Bears did score their highest overall points total with 18 of the 19 teams qualifying for the postseason and three national championships.

The UAA had a good showing with six institutions in the Top 50:

No. 2 Washington University
No. 9 Emory
No. 15 Chicago
No. 40 NYU
No. 44 Carnegie Mellon
No. 49 Rochester
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on June 01, 2017, 11:07:10 PM
Do you have a link to the standings? I feel that WashU would have held off Williams considering the lead they had and about the same finishes in the spring sports.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 02, 2017, 09:53:48 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on June 01, 2017, 11:07:10 PM
Do you have a link to the standings? I feel that WashU would have held off Williams considering the lead they had and about the same finishes in the spring sports.

I thought so too, but Williams finished the season as the runner-up in crew.

I honestly thought I had checked every other sport Williams offers, but I missed that one.

Here is the link: http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacda/sports/directorscup/auto_pdf/2016-17/misc_non_event/June1FinalDIIIOverall.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 06, 2017, 03:12:17 PM
I don't think much of the methodology behind the Learfield Directors' Cup. They award 100 points across the board for every national championship team, regardless of the size of the national tournament/meet field. That makes no sense, because the number of participating schools -- and, thus, the size of the national tournament/meet fields -- varies widely from sport to sport. If you're going to measure schools by all-sports performances, then you ought to value the sports proportionally. It's a bigger accomplishment to win the bracket of 64 teams in the men's or women's basketball tournaments, which represent total fields of well over 400 participating schools apiece, than it is to win the bracket of 10 teams in the men's volleyball tournament, which represents a total field of only 82 participating schools, or the bracket of eight teams in the women's ice hockey tournament, which represents a total field of a mere 60 participating schools. And yet men's hoops champion Babson and women's hoops titlist Amherst received the same number of points in the Directors' Cup standings for those achievements as Springfield won for men's volleyball and Plattsburgh State won for women's ice hockey.

I would score each sport by the size of the national tournament/meet, halving the number of points awarded down the bracket on a place-by-place basis to a minimum of one point per team. The men's basketball championship, in other words, should be worth 64 points for Babson, while the runner-up (Augustana) would get 32 points, the two third-place teams (Whitman and Williams) would get 16 points apiece, the four fifth-place teams (Rochester, Keene State, Middlebury, and Hanover) would get eight points apiece, the eight ninth-place teams (Hardin-Simmons, Marietta, Christopher Newport, Tufts, Endicott, Susquehanna, Wartburg, and Hope) would each receive four points, the 16 teams that won the tourney opener and then lost the next night would get two points apiece, and the 32 teams that made the tourney but lost on the first night would each get a point. By contrast, the men's volleyball championship should be worth only 10 points for Springfield.

However, recognizing that there is a special stand-alone value in winning the Walnut & Bronze, I'd award three extra points to each champion. That way, the football champion (Mary Hardin-Baylor) scores a little better (35 points) for its title than Augustana gets for finishing second in the men's basketball tournament (32 points). That seems fair to me, although others may disagree. Likewise, Springfield would see its point total raised to 13 for winning the men's volleyball title, and women's ice hockey champion Plattsburgh State would get 11 points rather than eight.

The meet sports (men's and women's cross-country, swimming/diving, indoor track & field, outdoor track & field, and golf, the women-only sport of rowing, and the men-only sport of wrestling) score team totals by individual finishes, so they need to be scored differently by this system. I would use the 6.5:1 participation ratio for D3 national championships to determine the point value of each of those sports' champions. Thus, the women's cross-country national championship team would get the maximum 64-point value (the NCAA caps D3 tournament sizes at 64 teams per sport), men's indoor track & field would get 43, and so on down to wrestling (15 points) and rowing (six points). Teams that score lower than the sport's point value (e.g., the 44th place team in the men's indoor track & field meet) would get a fraction of a single point.

These would be the point values per D3 championship sport:



men's cross-country  62    women's cross-country  64
football  32    field hockey  24
men's soccer  62    women's soccer  64
men's volleyball  10    women's volleyball  64
men's basketball  64    women's basketball  64
men's ice hockey  12    women's ice hockey    8
men's swimming & diving  34    women's swimming & diving  38
men's indoor track & field  43    women's indoor track & field  44
wrestling  15    rowing    6
baseball  56    softball  62
men's golf  46    women's golf  32
men's lacrosse  32    women's lacrosse  40
men's tennis  43    women's tennis  49
men's outdoor track & field  47    women's outdoor track & field  48

For the sports that have point values that don't follow the exponential pattern of two (1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, and 64), the totals would have to be adjusted on a sport-by-sport basis to reach the one-point minimum for each team. The Directors' Cup actually does this already, to a degree, but it doesn't break it down fully. (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacda/sports/directorscup/auto_pdf/2012-13/misc_non_event/dcscoring.pdf) For instance, for women's tennis I'd break it down thus:


First place  49 (+3 = 52 pts)
Second place  29.5
Third place  14.75
Fifth place    7.38
Ninth place    3.69
Seventeenth place    1.7
Eliminated in first round    1

This system would still favor the schools that sponsor a very large number of sports and thus annually dominate the Directors' Cup standings (e.g., the UAA and NESCAC schools), but it would put each sport in its proper perspective in terms of how many D3 schools actually compete in that sport.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ronk on June 06, 2017, 09:07:16 PM
 Any arguments against the proposal? Let the calculators hum!!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 07, 2017, 09:56:39 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 06, 2017, 03:12:17 PM
I would score each sport by the size of the national tournament/meet, halving the number of points awarded down the bracket on a place-by-place basis to a minimum of one point per team.

This was a great post...thanks for raising the issue and sharing your thoughts.

You mentioned the overall number of teams competing in basketball.  I think that may need to be factored in to the equation.  I would have to think about this more, but I feel as though we could look at participation in football, for example, and argue that it should not be penalized by the fact that it is a challenge to offer a larger field.  Correct me if I am wrong here: is there a reason for the football programs to believe they are being penalized?

If you excluded skiing on purpose, I would agree.  There are simply not enough programs (> 30) to include skiing in the Director's Cup rankings and yet Williams earned 54 points for skiing this season.

Overall, I do think you are on to something...

Minor, minor quibble: as far as who has an advantage now and who would with these changes, it is true that the UAA schools have structural advantages that many other schools do not and that I must temper my frustration when I talk about Williams as a 30 team juggernaut, but the UAA schools are offering no more programs on average than the best CCIW or WIAC programs.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 07, 2017, 03:03:13 PM
Quote from: WUH on June 07, 2017, 09:56:39 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 06, 2017, 03:12:17 PM
I would score each sport by the size of the national tournament/meet, halving the number of points awarded down the bracket on a place-by-place basis to a minimum of one point per team.

This was a great post...thanks for raising the issue and sharing your thoughts.

You mentioned the overall number of teams competing in basketball.  I think that may need to be factored in to the equation.  I would have to think about this more, but I feel as though we could look at participation in football, for example, and argue that it should not be penalized by the fact that it is a challenge to offer a larger field.  Correct me if I am wrong here: is there a reason for the football programs to believe they are being penalized?

I don't think so. There isn't necessarily a correspondence between institutional wealth and sponsorship of football. There are a number of comparatively wealthy schools that don't offer football (Calvin, NYU, Brandeis, and Caltech all come to mind; I'm sure that there's more), while there are a lot of low-endowment, tuition-driven schools that have football programs.

Football is actually a growing sport in intercollegiate athletics in terms of the number of schools that offer it. While fielding a football program does constitute an initial challenge, at least, whether that challenge is insuperable is a matter of debate for a lot of schools. The start-up costs can be considerable, of course, and securing a stadium (or the footprint to build one) can be difficult for urban schools. But the flip side of that is the fact that a football program can put anywhere from 80 to 130 or more student-athletes on campus that wouldn't otherwise be there, which is a strong incentive for a tuition-driven school, and in an era in which the female:male student ratios of small liberal arts colleges are often 2:1 or more, adding a football program can be a significant contributor to correcting that imbalance.

The bottom line for me is that I think an all-sports trophy should be scored upon the same basis of equity that drives D3's philosophy in general. Football is one of the two most high-profile sports on this level, as it is on every level of intercollegiate sports, but the people in charge of D3 try hard to ensure that it doesn't get any special advantages. The same philosophy should hold true for scoring an all-sports trophy.

Quote from: WUH on June 07, 2017, 09:56:39 AMIf you excluded skiing on purpose, I would agree.  There are simply not enough programs (> 30) to include skiing in the Director's Cup rankings and yet Williams earned 54 points for skiing this season.

I included only sports that have D3 championships. Some sports (skiing, rifle, equestrian, men's water polo, women's water polo, etc.) are transdivisional, and have generic NCAA championships. That's because, as you alluded, relatively few schools from any of the three divisions offer the sport. F'rinstance, only 14 D3 schools have skiing programs (all 14 have them for both men and women).

Quote from: WUH on June 07, 2017, 09:56:39 AMOverall, I do think you are on to something...

Thanks. I've actually been thinking about this for a few years now. Your discussion here set me to finally looking at the numbers to see how it would work.

Quote from: WUH on June 07, 2017, 09:56:39 AMMinor, minor quibble: as far as who has an advantage now and who would with these changes, it is true that the UAA schools have structural advantages that many other schools do not and that I must temper my frustration when I talk about Williams as a 30 team juggernaut, but the UAA schools are offering no more programs on average than the best CCIW or WIAC programs.

I had been looking at Rochester's site the other day -- the U of R sponsors 21 varsity sports -- and I know that NYU has a very large number of programs as well. But by and large you're right about UAA schools not having outsized menus in terms of athletics offerings, so I shouldn't put your league's schools in the same yacht as the we'd-sponsor-croquet-squash-and-ballroom-dancing-as-well-if-the-NCAA-would-give-us-trophies-for-them swells from the NESCAC. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 07, 2017, 06:36:56 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 07, 2017, 03:03:13 PM
There isn't necessarily a correspondence between institutional wealth and sponsorship of football. There are a number of comparatively wealthy schools that don't offer football (Calvin, NYU, Brandeis, and Caltech all come to mind; I'm sure that there's more), while there are a lot of low-endowment, tuition-driven schools that have football programs.

I was thinking only along the lines of the fact that Basketball, Soccer and other are worth 100% more points considering the overall profile of football.  I was also thinking about whether or not the football tournament field is smaller given the constraints of playing multiple football games over multiple weekends, but I am guessing that this is not a consideration.  The point about the Division III philosophy is well taken.

Incidentally, it is a shame that NYU no longer offers football given the role NYU plays in the history of the game.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 07, 2017, 03:03:13 PM
Football is actually a growing sport in intercollegiate athletics in terms of the number of schools that offer it. While fielding a football program does constitute an initial challenge, at least, whether that challenge is insuperable is a matter of debate for a lot of schools. The start-up costs can be considerable, of course, and securing a stadium (or the footprint to build one) can be difficult for urban schools. But the flip side of that is the fact that a football program can put anywhere from 80 to 130 or more student-athletes on campus that wouldn't otherwise be there, which is a strong incentive for a tuition-driven school, and in an era in which the female:male student ratios of small liberal arts colleges are often 2:1 or more, adding a football program can be a significant contributor to correcting that imbalance.

I have no way to test this theory, but I have long wondered how the presence of football, men's basketball and such affects non-athlete student recruitment and retention (and alumni donations), especially in the rural institutions.

For example, cancel the football program and the five percent of the overall student population (and great percentage of males) and transfer them to Illinois State.  What does that school look like?  Does having varsity football contribute to the overall ethos of the institutions in a way that goes beyond the program?  I am not sure, but I think there may be something to that.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 08, 2017, 10:58:42 AM
Just a random thought on the Director's Cup...

Division II Northwest Missouri State University won both the football and basketball national championships this season but still only finished 47th in the Director's Cup.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 08, 2017, 01:49:02 PM
What makes that even weirder is that D2 schools don't tend to be as athletically diverse as their D3 counterparts. In D3, athletics is often viewed as a revenue driver with regard to tuition income at smaller private schools where the annual budget is at least partially tuition-driven, so a lot of small schools offer a surprisingly large number of sports. That's less of an issue in D2, which has a significantly higher percentage of public schools. Likewise, D2 lacks the large cluster of tony northeastern colleges that sponsor every sport that the NCAA deems fit to throw a trophy at. You'd think, then, that two national titles would go a longer way in the Directors' Cup standings on the D2 level than they would in D3. I guess that they don't.

Realistically, though, unless you're a Bearcats coach or player in one of the so-called non-revenue sports (or a family member or significant other of one of those coaches or players), my gut instinct tells me that the Northwest Missouri State faithful would much, much rather be simultaneous champions in football and men's basketball than to be sitting in Grand Valley State's shoes as the Directors' Cup champion.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on June 08, 2017, 02:57:32 PM
Quote...so I shouldn't put your league's schools in the same yacht as the we'd-sponsor-croquet-squash-and-ballroom-dancing-as-well-if-the-NCAA-would-give-us-trophies-for-them swells from the NESCAC.

The squash-flavored chicken croquet at my alma mater's ballroom dancing events is divine.

QuoteDivision II Northwest Missouri State University won both the football and basketball national championships this season but still only finished 47th in the Director's Cup.

Whitewater won the football, men's basketball and baseball championships a couple years ago and still didn't win the Learfield Cup. No offense to my friends at Williams, but that's when I realized this isn't the best measure of overall athletic program strength.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 08, 2017, 09:28:28 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on June 08, 2017, 02:57:32 PMWhitewater won the football, men's basketball and baseball championships a couple years ago and still didn't win the Learfield Cup. No offense to my friends at Williams, but that's when I realized this isn't the best measure of overall athletic program strength.

Well, then, what do you think of my proposal, Gordon?

(Not that I'm looking for some official blessing, or for d3sports.com to get into the all-sports-award business, but your input would certainly be valuable and welcome.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 08, 2017, 11:22:28 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 08, 2017, 01:49:02 PM
Realistically, though, unless you're a Bearcats coach or player in one of the so-called non-revenue sports (or a family member or significant other of one of those coaches or players), my gut instinct tells me that the Northwest Missouri State faithful would much, much rather be simultaneous champions in football and men's basketball than to be sitting in Grand Valley State's shoes as the Directors' Cup champion.

No question about that.

Quote from: gordonmann on June 08, 2017, 02:57:32 PM
Whitewater won the football, men's basketball and baseball championships a couple years ago and still didn't win the Learfield Cup. No offense to my friends at Williams, but that's when I realized this isn't the best measure of overall athletic program strength.

I had no idea Whitewater won all three, but by any standard, that is an incredible feat.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on June 12, 2017, 11:56:03 AM
QuoteWell, then, what do you think of my proposal, Gordon?

I like it. It appeals to my quantitative side and I like how it accounts for the number of teams participating in the sport as a proxy for the difficulty of winning a title in that sport.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 13, 2017, 08:11:54 AM
About 5 years ago, I ran a model of the Leerfield Cup that proportioned the points awarded by a ratio of the number of school sponsoring a team in that sport to the total number of schools in D3.  As a result, the number of points earned by the Stagg Bowl championship was cut down to 60 points and proportionately cut down the list of 32 schools who made the post season.

There was very little change in the outcome in the ranking of the teams in the Leerfield.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 13, 2017, 10:03:45 AM
Yeah, next year I think that I'm going to run my own model and see how it compares to the Learfield model. As I said in the OP, I don't think it'll change the outcome much, but I think it'll be a more honest assessment.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 13, 2017, 10:45:36 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 13, 2017, 10:03:45 AM
Yeah, next year I think that I'm going to run my own model and see how it compares to the Learfield model. As I said in the OP, I don't think it'll change the outcome much, but I think it'll be a more honest assessment.

I hope you do!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 13, 2017, 10:58:32 AM
Carnegie Mellon has released their 2017-2018 recruits.

The 2017-2018 Tartans are going to be so much smaller than they were a season ago.

Matt Carson (6-4 Guard, Downingtown West High School, PA)

2016-17 Stats: 16 PPG, 7 RPG, 3 APG

Athletic Achievements:  Matt was a part of the most accomplished graduating class in Downingtown West history. During his three years of playing varsity basketball, Downingtown West won 75 games, qualified for District 1 playoffs all three years, qualified for the PIAA State Tournament two times, and qualified for Ches-mont Final Four twice and won it in 2015. Matt finished his senior season as captain while being named 2nd team All-Ches-Mont, All-Area Honorable Mention for Chester County DLN, MVP of Octorara Basketball Tournament and named to the Valor Bowl Sr All-Star Game.

Ethan Miller (6-6 Forward, Upper Merion High School, PA)

2016-17 Stats: 15 PPG, 10 RPG, 2 BPG

Athletic Achievements: Ethan was a member of one of the best teams ever his senior year at Upper Merion where they finished District Runner-Up and made a deep run into the State Playoffs. Ethan was captain his senior year where he was 1st team All-PAC. He capped off a great high school career by being one of only seven players in Upper Merion Basketball history to score more than 1,000 points.

Zach Watson (6-1 Guard, Dublin Jerome High School, OH)

2016-17 Stats: 18 PPG, 4 APG, 3 RPG

Athletic Achievements: Zach was a part of the winningest season in Dublin Jerome history during his junior season with a record of 24-3 and a district championship. During his four years of playing varsity basketball, Dublin Jerome was 73-15. Zach was a two-time team captain and achieved numerous honors this past year. During his senior year he was named All-Ohio Capital Conference - Cardinal Division First Team, All-Central District Division 1 Honorable Mention, AP All-Central District All Star, and was named to This Week's News Super 12 Boys Basketball Team.

Dan Weiss (6-6 Forward, Marlboro High School, NJ)

2016-17 Stats: 11 PPG, 7 RPG, 4 APG

Athletic Achievements: Junior year Dan was 2nd team all-league and 2nd team all-district. Dan was named captain during his senior season and was named 1st team all-league, 1st team all-district. He was also placed on the 1st team All-Shore Conference tournament team for his play in the post season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 23, 2017, 03:38:35 PM
Thanks D3Hoops.com for posting the update on Johnny Di Bartolomeo.

His performance in the postseason was particular impressive:

During the postseason, DiBartolomeo appeared in six games, averaged 19.2 points per game, shot 55.3% from 3-point range, 100% from the free throw line, and added 3.5 rebounds per game and 3.0 assists per game.

It may be worth mentioning that one of his teammates is Amherst graduate Willy Workman.

For the story: http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2016-17/contrib/201706226efqp4
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 29, 2017, 04:40:54 PM
Not basketball, but congratulations to Lizzy Crist who was named the 2017 Division III Honda Athlete of the Year Award, the biggest of many honors she received.

I have seen her play many times over the years, but her most memorable games were the road wins over Messiah in the semifinal in 2015 and the final in 2016.  Both games decided by penalty kicks.

http://washubears.com/sports/wsoc/2016-17/releases/20170626k20inh
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 28, 2017, 04:41:52 PM
FYI: https://twitter.com/d3hoopsville/status/891033018017755136

From Hoopsville:
"BREAKING - Sources: W&L to hire Emory asst coach Chris McHugh '09 as next MBB head coach. Official announcement expected next week. #d3h"
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on August 01, 2017, 01:49:54 PM
Just my novice opinion, but I always thought Emory had one of the best coached teams I have seen over the last few seasons.  Not surprised to see an Emory assistant moving on.

In other news, Sam Borst-Smith signed with the Dusseldorf Giants.

I think there are at least three former UAA players who played overseas this past season including Johnny Basketball, Will Trawick and David Fatoki. There may be more but I am drawing a blank at the moment.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on August 30, 2017, 11:16:11 AM
Emory went to Italy a few weeks ago and destroyed all three of their all-star opponents.

I watched much of the first game and I would say that every UAA team would have won that game.  Junior guard Gebereal Baitey was impressive in that win and averaged over 20 points for the tour.  Baitey looked good during conference play last season.  Junior Beau Bommarito also average 20 or so for the first two games, but I did not see a stat for the final game.

I was down on Emory in my end of season summary, but I made the mistake of overlooking Gebereal Baitey. 

I did a cursory social media review for Emory recruits early this summer and found three including a guy who is one of the more intriguing UAA recruits in my time following the conference.  Romin Williams out of Country Day (LA) reportedly had offers from the University of New Orleans, Tulane, and others.

I thought I had read that he finished with a career 2,300 points, but I cannot find that now, and that is an impossible stat based on the season averages I have seen.  He was the starting guard for all four years and led the team to three state titles.
_____________

Matt Schner, Grandview Prep
Finished preps career 111-14, with 2016 state championship (32-0) and four district titles. Averaged 24 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists.

Romin Williams, Country Day

Clay Washburn, Christ Presbyterian Academy
Averaged a team-high 19.3 points and 8.1 rebounds while knocking down 104 3-pointers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 11, 2017, 03:52:34 PM
I was inspired by the roster watching of others to see if the Washington University roster had been updated.  There is one addition to mix of upperclassmen and that is Whitman graduate transfer Peter French.

Here are his stats from Whitman:

2015-16: Played in 15 games, earning the starting nod twice at Division III Whitman College ... Averaged 1.6 points in just over eight minutes per game ... Collected 36 rebounds, three assists, seven blocks, and four steals on the season ... Shot .563 from the field and .500 from the line.

2014-15: Appeared in 24 games, averaged 11.5 minutes per game and four rebounds ... scored season high 12 points and grabbed 17 rebounds against Wells (12/21).

2013-14: Played in 13 games, averaged 6.5 minutes per appearance.

__________

In case anyone is keeping track, the Bears will field a 6-9 senior David Schmelter, 6-9 junior Marcus Meyer, 7-0 senior Peter French, 6-5 senior and pre-season all-American Andrew Sanders and 6-7 senior Matt Highsmith with support from a few more 6-7 and 6-8 guys coming off the bench.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 12, 2017, 07:18:22 AM
Quote from: WUH on October 11, 2017, 03:52:34 PM
I was inspired by the roster watching of others to see if the Washington University roster had been updated.  There is one addition to mix of upperclassmen and that is Whitman graduate transfer Peter French.

Here are his stats from Whitman:

2015-16: Played in 15 games, earning the starting nod twice at Division III Whitman College ... Averaged 1.6 points in just over eight minutes per game ... Collected 36 rebounds, three assists, seven blocks, and four steals on the season ... Shot .563 from the field and .500 from the line.

2014-15: Appeared in 24 games, averaged 11.5 minutes per game and four rebounds ... scored season high 12 points and grabbed 17 rebounds against Wells (12/21).

2013-14: Played in 13 games, averaged 6.5 minutes per appearance.

__________

In case anyone is keeping track, the Bears will field a 6-9 senior David Schmelter, 6-9 junior Marcus Meyer, 7-0 senior Peter French, 6-5 senior and pre-season all-American Andrew Sanders and 6-7 senior Matt Highsmith with support from a few more 6-7 and 6-8 guys coming off the bench.

Do you know anything more about him?  Was he injured last year or just talking time off - google says he was a Physics major - perhaps he needed the study time?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 12, 2017, 10:39:08 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 12, 2017, 07:18:22 AM
Do you know anything more about him?  Was he injured last year or just talking time off - google says he was a Physics major - perhaps he needed the study time?

I wish I did...

I mentioned this yesterday, but deleted it so as to take a second look at what I wrote.  I do not want to give anyone the impression that I am violating FERPA.  I am just taking my information from the public directory which lists him as an Engineering graduate student. 

I am not sure if he was here last year, but he fits the profile of a student who was admitted to the 3/2/1 program.  Those students often take 18-21 credit hours in the first year and it would have been incredibly difficult to do that and play basketball.  That is my guess.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 13, 2017, 07:11:17 PM
Quote from: WUH on October 12, 2017, 10:39:08 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 12, 2017, 07:18:22 AM
Do you know anything more about him?  Was he injured last year or just talking time off - google says he was a Physics major - perhaps he needed the study time?

I wish I did...

I mentioned this yesterday, but deleted it so as to take a second look at what I wrote.  I do not want to give anyone the impression that I am violating FERPA.  I am just taking my information from the public directory which lists him as an Engineering graduate student. 

I am not sure if he was here last year, but he fits the profile of a student who was admitted to the 3/2/1 program.  Those students often take 18-21 credit hours in the first year and it would have been incredibly difficult to do that and play basketball.  That is my guess.

He would've been a senior at Whitman last year, but Whitman had no seniors on the roster.  I'm hoping to do an early season piece on Whitman.  I'll make sure to ask Coach Bridgeland, even if it's just for personal curiosity.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 17, 2017, 11:48:24 AM
Please do...

I still think that Coach Edwards will play David Schmelter 20-25 minutes and Marcus Meyer 15-17 minutes or more per game, but who knows...  He is also going to have to give some minutes to 6-8 sophomore Hank Hunter. 

The only question left for this to answer is where does the three point shooting come from.

The Lopata Classic begins exactly one month from today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on October 23, 2017, 03:10:50 PM
For those who have been waiting, looks like Wash U's roster (with newcomers) is up on the website.
http://www.washubears.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/roster
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 23, 2017, 03:50:16 PM
Thanks for posting and welcome to the UAA thread.  Please post anytime...

In addition to the first year players, it looks like they also have a transfer from Division II University of Central Missouri in Louis Reinmiller.

They also have a first year player from Sydney, Australia in Hamish McGregor, though it looks like he played high school basketball at Cranbrook.  Not a lot of press, but he has a very nice highlight video by UAA standards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hVqqxuN5Tc
__________

The University of Chicago has also updated their roster with four first year players: http://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/mbkb/2017-18/roster
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 24, 2017, 01:21:23 PM
Rochester has also updated their roster: http://uofrathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball

The Yellowjackets need to replace two of the best guards in the league and this may be the guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTVXzXfdi3k

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 24, 2017, 04:30:14 PM
The UAA released a preseason poll for the first time in two years.  I have a few random thoughts.

Washington University is clearly the class of the conference this season.

I had Emory as my No. 5 in my preseason rankings, though in hindsight, that was not right.  There is no way they finish lower than fourth.

I more or less agreed with the coaches on Chicago and Rochester ranking them as No. 2 and 3 while the coaches listed them as No. 3 and 4. 

Emory, Chicago and Rochester will all be in position to finish in second.

I ranked Case as No. 5 while the coaches had them at No. 6.  I'll stand by that for now.

The coaches have NYU as No. 5 though they are working with much more information than I am.  I had them below Carnegie Mellon, though I was wrong about that.

UAA Poll
1. Washington University (7)
2. Emory (1)
3. Chicago
4. Rochester
5. New York
6. Case
7. Carnegie Mellon
8. Brandeis
__________

PS: Congratulations to former Washington University goal keeper Lizzy Crist who won the NCAA national woman of the year award on Sunday.  This may be the highest honor that a college athlete can win.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 24, 2017, 11:58:37 PM
OK, I get it now...

The youngest UAA team in the history of the league is not only a year older, but they also added four transfers including junior Ethan Feldman from Tufts, junior Jule Brown from Dickinson, sophomore Dom Cristiano from Lafayette (PA) and junior Mario Zimaridis from Lamar Community College.

http://gonyuathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball&

Emory has also updated their roster.  The Eagles may have the best freshmen class on paper.  And, they always seems to have another Jake Davis or Alex Foster on the roster.  Emory will be the first UAA team to play a game this season as they face off against Division I Lipscomb in exhibition play.  That game is scheduled for Friday, November 10th (ESPN3).

http://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/roster
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on October 25, 2017, 11:11:32 PM
WashU Men's Basketball Alumni Profile on Sean Wallis ('09) and Kent Lacob ('15)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKhHevrSkto&t=39s
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 26, 2017, 06:43:07 PM
Quote from: mck99 on October 25, 2017, 11:11:32 PM
WashU Men's Basketball Alumni Profile on Sean Wallis ('09) and Kent Lacob ('15)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKhHevrSkto&t=39s

Very cool.  Hope to see the weekly sit-downs with Coach Edwards back again.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on November 01, 2017, 07:54:46 PM
Some of the D3hoops.com fans might remember a guy named Sean Wallis, 2008 and 2009 national champion at WashU. They announced today he is headed to the WashU Sports Hall of Fame. He is on the top D3 point guards all-time.

http://washubears.com/general/2017-18/releases/20171101fnk0lg
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2017, 02:56:46 PM
For you UAA and Emory fans, the third podcast in the Hoopsville Preseason Podcasts series dropped today and features a conversation with Chris McHugh. We talk to McHugh who has taken over his alma mater's, W&L, program over the summer after a very successful assistant (then briefly as associate) coaching job at Emory.

McHugh is the first interview in the show which you can find here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2017-18/preseason-podcasts

You can also listen to the other podcasts in the series.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 10, 2017, 03:52:46 PM
I am not sure if we have any Emory fans around here, but the podcast was nice.

Emory does kick-off their season tonight (or kick-off for the second time) with a game against Division I Lipscomb at 6:30 CST.  This game is on ESPN3.  Lipscomb was picked to finished second in the Atlantic Sun after finishing 20-13 last season.

http://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 10, 2017, 08:28:07 PM
Emory and Lipscomb are tied at the half, 43-43.

The starting line-up was set in Italy, but for the reserves, the first four off the bench were all freshmen.  Three scored on their first collegiate basket (I think).

The Emory defense is particular impressive.  Emory is +4 on rebounds as well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 10, 2017, 09:00:54 PM
Remember this name: Romin Williams.

16 points on 6-7 shooting in 8 minutes in his first collegiate game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 10, 2017, 09:33:54 PM
Lipscomb leads Emory, 96-81 with one minute left.

I may have to walk back some comments I made about Emory, but how was I to know that two freshmen would lead the way as Williams now has 21 and Lawrence Rowley has 12.  Emory was in this game through the first 33 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 15, 2017, 12:22:15 PM
CWRU preview.  Roster has two seniors and zero juniors  Now that's young!

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20171114npxrjd
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 16, 2017, 09:47:06 AM
Brandeis looks slightly younger with two seniors, one junior and two sophomores: http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2017-18/roster

The Judges were one of two UAA teams to play last night falling 75-67 to Suffolk on the road.  Eric D'Aguanno finished with 18 points and 9 rebounds.

Emory also played last night.  The Eagles defeated Piedmont 83-64 at home.  Adam Gigax led the team with 15 points.  Romin Williams finished with 14
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 16, 2017, 10:06:51 AM
WUH accidentally posted the Case men's roster.

Here is the actual Brandeis men's roster:

http://brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/roster

The junior, Corey Sherman, is a transfer from Dickinson, where he played the previous 2 seasons.  None of the seniors on the roster started last season.  Eric D'Aguanno also came off the bench last season as well.

Note that Jordan Cooper is not playing this season for Brandeis.  My probable guess is that he sustained a preseason injury, but that is just speculation on my part, and I have not been able to talk with the men's basketball team to confirm.  Suffolk wrote in their pre-game preview that Jordan Cooper graduated, but I think that was just an assumption by the Rams, as he has not used up his 4 seasons of basketball eligibility.

Naturally, the coaches picked Brandeis to finish last in the UAA this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 16, 2017, 10:51:57 AM
Thanks for catching the roster error.

I had a much longer post until my browser crashed and then did a quick rewrite and got careless.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: PeterEscobar on November 16, 2017, 11:21:28 AM
Brandeis losing to Suffolk is not good for the Judges, as Suffolk is a middling GNAC squad. At what point does the seat at Brandeis start to heat up for Meehan, who had massive success at Salem State but has not translated it to the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 16, 2017, 12:38:11 PM
Quote from: PeterEscobar on November 16, 2017, 11:21:28 AM
Brandeis losing to Suffolk is not good for the Judges, as Suffolk is a middling GNAC squad. At what point does the seat at Brandeis start to heat up for Meehan, who had massive success at Salem State but has not translated it to the UAA.

Update-- Wait a minute, easy for a Babson assistant coach/supporter to throw shade at Deis when Babson is playing Deis in the first round of the New England Big 4 Classic this year.  Just for that, I am rooting for Tufts to win the Big 4 this year...

Meehan has not been quite as successful since 2011, but from 2007 to 2011, he did deliver 4 NCAA appearances, including 2 trips to the Elite Eight, as well as an ECAC New England title.  He has not delivered a national championship, but Brandeis has only won 2 national titles in school history-- 1976 men's soccer and 1983 men's cross country.  Back in the 2000-01 season, I felt at times that the Brandeis women's basketball coach, Carol Simon, should have been replaced with another coach who could take the women's basketball team to NCAAs, but back in 2000-01, there were only 8 Pool C bids to the women's tournament, so you could not get in to NCAAs unless you won the UAA.  Of course, Wash U usually wins those AQs in both men's and women's hoop most of the time.

From the perspective of a top NESCAC school or Wash U (or a national champion like Babson), it seems very easy to criticize an athletic program for not making sure that all of its teams make NCAAs every year, but as an old-time Brandeis alum who went to the school in the late 1980's, I understand how hard it is for a team to make it to the national postseason every year.  In the 1990s, the NCAA selection process was rigged in favor of an old boys network, so in contrast, even though 20 Pool C bids to a national tourney is small, it is much better now than it was then.

I guess that I am grateful that the Brandeis soccer teams are competitive on the national stage, otherwise, I would be as mad now as I was in the 2000-01 season. (Now, get your Babson men's soccer team back into the national picture, PeterEscobar.)  :)

Another note.  The Brandeis athletic director decides on personnel matters relating to athletics.  I certainly do not want another Mary Sullivan-type softball situation like what happened in 2006 when Brandeis decided to change softball coaches after 30 years and got hit with an age discrimination lawsuit.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 16, 2017, 01:08:01 PM
BTW, PeterEscobar is right that the Brandeis men's basketball team should be held accountable for the loss to Suffolk last night-- notwithstanding the fact that Rochester alum Jeff Juron coaches the Rams, but it should also be in the same vein that the young Brandeis women's basketball team should also be held accountable for a poor free throw shooting performance against Roger Williams.  The Brandeis women only lost by 1 point, but it should have been by more than that.  The amazing thing is that I am not shocked that both Brandeis basketball teams lost last night given the rosters.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on November 16, 2017, 05:54:40 PM
Season preview with WashU men's basketball coach Mark Edwards, who enters his 37th season at his alma mater. Mark is one of the best in the business. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rca-d0HZjg4&t=25s
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Riley056 on November 17, 2017, 10:57:16 PM
UAA action tonight 11/17

2-2 for the league

Wash U 82 Wabash 70
Rochester 73 Bard 54
Frostburg St 115 CWRU 107 (2 ot)
LaRoche 71 Mellon 64
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 18, 2017, 12:19:02 AM
+1 Thanks for the league update.

A few more details on the Washington University win over Wabash...

The Bears trailed 38-31 at the half after building an early 10 point lead, but looked so much better in the second half and quickly reeled the Little Giants in.

Kevin Kucera finished with 19 points and 9 assists, Jake Knupp finished with 12 points and 7 rebounds and Jack Nolan had 17 points on 7-10 shooting and three steals.  A very impressive debut for the freshman who was also asked to guard Jack Davidson in the second half.  Other stats include a 38% effort overall from three point range, 41 (+3) rebounds, 15 assists and unfortunately 2 technical fouls.

It seems as though Coach Edwards has settled on rotations for every position except for the 2 and 3.  Matt Highsmith started at the 3 with Louis Reinmiller coming in off the bench, though he eventually moved Jake Knupp over from the 2 early in the second half.

The Bears will play No. 6 Tufts for the Lopata Classic championship.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 18, 2017, 04:06:28 PM
Case Western Reserve did not know how to handle the Greenville System as they fall 120-111.  I watched here and there, but never did hear what happened to TJ Ducket who finished with 1 point in 11 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 18, 2017, 11:21:41 PM
Washington University defeats Tufts University, 98-94 to win the 34th annual Lopata Classic

I looked up the definition of barn burner in the dictionary and there was a picture of this game next to the description.  Washington University played great in every aspect of the game.  The Bears held an 11-0 lead early in the first and a 78-60 lead with 10 minutes left in the game.  But, Tufts decided to shoot themselves back in the game from three point range (7-16 in the second half) and it almost worked.  The Jumbos pulled within two with five minutes left in the game but Washington University held tough, engineering a few key stops and closed out the game.

Kevin Kucera joins the likes of Sean Wallis and Alan Aboona as the tournament MVP.  Kucera finished with 21 points (including two clutch free throws with 0:04 left), 10 assists and 3 steals.  Not to mention everything else he did to lead the team through the good and the bad.  This along with his performance from last night.

Matt Highsmith and Andrew Sanders finished with 20 points along with 7 and 8 rebounds while David Schmelter finished with 9 points and 10 rebounds.

I am laughing a little tonight about what I said about uncertainty at the shoot guard and small forward positions.  Coach Edwards clearly has depth to work with and makes adjustments accordingly.

Tufts played a great game tonight.  Patrick Racy could not miss and Eric Savage was absolutely savage tonight shooting for 21 points along 16 rebounds and 8 assists.  He may be one of the best basketball players we will see this season if tonight is an indication.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 19, 2017, 03:02:27 PM
Quote from: WUH on November 18, 2017, 04:06:28 PM
Case Western Reserve did not know how to handle the Greenville System as they fall 120-111.  I watched here and there, but never did hear what happened to TJ Ducket who finished with 1 point in 11 minutes.

3PFs  Too slow for "Greenville System"?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 19, 2017, 07:42:38 PM
I would have thought TJ Duckett would have played more based on what I was watching.  I watched off and on but only seemed to watch during times in which Case Western Reserve was playing Greenville evenly or better.

Best of luck against Mount Union.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 19, 2017, 08:07:26 PM
I had a chance to watch large parts of both Chicago games this weekend.  The Maroons beat both Rose Hulman 89-76 and Trinity (TX) 79-67.  Today against Trinity, they took 47 of the 67 shots from the field from three point range making 16 (34%).  Jake Fenlon took 24 of those and made 10 finishing with 31 points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 19, 2017, 09:09:11 PM
A lot of 3s this weekend. Point hit a team record 22 yesterday. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 20, 2017, 11:09:17 AM
The Stephen Curry effect maybe?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Little Giant 89 on November 20, 2017, 02:43:22 PM
WUH,

I've not seen my Little Giants play yet this year.  How did they look against the Bears?

Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on November 20, 2017, 03:41:26 PM
Quote from: Little Giant 89 on November 20, 2017, 02:43:22 PM
WUH,

I've not seen my Little Giants play yet this year.  How did they look against the Bears?

Thanks!
I thought they looked very good.  They played hard and gave both Wash U and Webster all that they wanted.  Sad that they had to go home 0-2 after the way they played.
Against Wash U they came out a little slow, but an incredibly hot shooting streak right before half propelled them to an 8 point halftime lead.  It was a very competitive second half until Wash U opened it up mid-way through and cruised to victory.  One of the best matchups of the second half was the freshman point guard battle between Davidson of Wabash and Nolan of Wash U. 
Against Webster on Saturday, I thought the LG's looked a little tired, but still played well.  Webster was really getting up and down the floor and, with some incredibly hot shooting at the end of the second half and in the overtime, was just a bit too much.
If I was a Wabash fan, I would look forward to a fun season.
Not to detract from the effort of the team, but my only negative comment is about the one Wabash fan on Saturday night (I assume a player's parent) in the back row who incessantly and loudly whined about every referee call (correct of incorrect) throughout the second half.  In hopes that this person is a reader of the boards -- sir, you are embarrassing your school and your child; be loud; cheer for your team; but let the refs do their job; if you can't control yourself, at least move up to the front row so the rest of the fans don't have to be subjected to you.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 20, 2017, 04:13:30 PM
Quote from: Mr. Mo on November 20, 2017, 03:41:26 PM
Not to detract from the effort of the team, but my only negative comment is about the one Wabash fan on Saturday night (I assume a player's parent) in the back row who incessantly and loudly whined about every referee call (correct of incorrect) throughout the second half.  In hopes that this person is a reader of the boards -- sir, you are embarrassing your school and your child; be loud; cheer for your team; but let the refs do their job; if you can't control yourself, at least move up to the front row so the rest of the fans don't have to be subjected to you.

Disappointing. If they do move to the front row, at least they will have to look the ref in the eye when complaining.

I am so sick of people complaining... on every call. I get refs miss calls or make mistakes, but this weekend I witnessed complaints about e... very... thing. SMH
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Little Giant 89 on November 20, 2017, 05:17:29 PM
Thanks, Mo!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on November 21, 2017, 08:59:07 PM
Emory has 9 players with 7 or more points... but no Adam Gigax! Unless the live stats from Berry are incorrect. Do we know what happened to him?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 21, 2017, 11:34:00 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on November 21, 2017, 08:59:07 PM
Emory has 9 players with 7 or more points... but no Adam Gigax! Unless the live stats from Berry are incorrect. Do we know what happened to him?

No Adam Gigax and no Whit Rapp...

Maybe they had an accounting exam...

An fun fact about those 9 players...4 of the 6 players who scored in double figures were freshmen.  66 of the 109 points scored were scored by freshmen!  Freshmen Matt Davet led all scorers with 17.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 22, 2017, 12:14:19 AM
Looking around the league, in addition to the Emory Win over Piedmont...

Chicago lost at home to North Park, 70-67.  Looking forward to hearing more about that. 

Hobart downed Rochester 72-61. 

Case Western Reserve lost to Denison, 74-69.  TJ Duckett scored 13 but only played 21 minutes.

Carnegie Mellon came from behind to beat Bethany who had a chance to take the last shot for the win or overtime, but the Tartans pulled down the rebound and were fouled with 0:04 left.

Washington University defeated Principia College, 71-57
in one of the uglier games we will see this season.  The Bears were definitely thrown off by the Principia zone and maybe the Principia gym which has nothing but miles of empty space behind each basket.  The Bears looked tentative to start and trailed 31-30 at the half.  They needed a +19 rebounding advantage and career day for Jake Knupp (25 points) to avoid the upset.

Definitely one of the uglier games as far as officiating is concerned.

As for Principia, Trevaughn Goodman played just 15 minutes after being relegated to the bench after his second foul.  Goodman was slow to get up after get knocked down on a lay-up attempt.  He was slow to get to the bench, but he would come back in until he picked up his fourth foul.  He did not return late in the game, but I did see him jog down the stairs to the locker room.  Principia turned out a small but very vocal crowd that were standing in applause until the bitter end.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 22, 2017, 08:55:41 AM
^^^ Did you go to Principia or watch online? Yes, that is a pretty cavernous gym. I've been there quite a few times. Has to be tough for visiting teams.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 22, 2017, 09:12:21 AM
Quote from: WUH on November 22, 2017, 12:14:19 AM


Case Western Reserve lost to Denison, 74-69.  TJ Duckett scored 13 but only played 21 minutes.



TJ fouled out with 4:55 left
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on November 22, 2017, 09:13:22 AM
Quote from: WUH on November 22, 2017, 12:14:19 AM
Looking around the league, in addition to the Emory Win over Piedmont...

Chicago lost at home to North Park, 70-67.  Looking forward to hearing more about that. 

Hobart downed Rochester 72-61. 

Case Western Reserve lost to Denison, 74-69.  TJ Duckett scored 13 but only played 21 minutes.

Carnegie Mellon came from behind to beat Bethany who had a chance to take the last shot for the win or overtime, but the Tartans pulled down the rebound and were fouled with 0:04 left.

Washington University defeated Principia College, 71-57
in one of the uglier games we will see this season.  The Bears were definitely thrown off by the Principia zone and maybe the Principia gym which has nothing but miles of empty space behind each basket.  The Bears looked tentative to start and trailed 31-30 at the half.  They needed a +19 rebounding advantage and career day for Jake Knupp (25 points) to avoid the upset.

Definitely one of the uglier games as far as officiating is concerned.

As for Principia, Trevaughn Goodman played just 15 minutes after being relegated to the bench after his second foul.  Goodman was slow to get up after get knocked down on a lay-up attempt.  He was slow to get to the bench, but he would come back in until he picked up his fourth foul.  He did not return late in the game, but I did see him jog down the stairs to the locker room.  Principia turned out a small but very vocal crowd that were standing in applause until the bitter end.

The box score indicated that Goodman fouled out, therefore not sitting with 4 fouls...  as I have said, Prin's starting 5 is outstanding, but they can't afford to get in foul trouble, and obviously would be devastated by an injury to any of their starters... Following the Wash U score on the net from the Webster game, I commented to Yjack as Prin was up in the first half, that Wash U would wear them down in the 2nd half... it seemed inevitable... a bad omen for Wash U may be that they seem to be getting little from the bench... Nolan scored last night, but the rest of the role players contributed a big 0...I'm beginning to think that the big guy (yes, Marcus Meyer), may never live up to the hype...
the other thing that has surprised me so far this season for Wash U is the poor shooting % of Matt Highsmith... the last two years, it seemed he rarely missed the open 15 footer, shooting well over 50%.. this year in 3 games, 28%... the Bears need that go to consistency of the past...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 22, 2017, 12:35:31 PM
I did not see that fifth foul on Tre Goodman, but it took the scoring table three minutes to add the third foul to his stats and that was one of several obvious mistakes such as assigning Parker Davidson foul to Matt Highsmith.

I have been hyping Marcus Meyer for a while. I still like his game. He played quality minutes off the bench against Tufts.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 22, 2017, 12:49:06 PM
As for Matt Highsmith, his role changed this year after the graduation of Clinton Hooks.

He may have attempted more three point shots against Tufts than he did all last season.

Let's give him a few games to adjust.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 22, 2017, 10:13:42 PM
I watched the game against Prin again partly to see how I missed the fifth Goodman foul. He did check in around the eleven minute mark. He was on the floor for approximately 10 seconds of one defensive possession before picking up the foul and exiting the game for good.  The foul looked entirely bogus.

I think I was trying to find a guest Wifi at that time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 25, 2017, 01:17:43 PM
Case Western Reserve and Washington University are participating in the Mount St. Joseph Tip-Off Classic this weekend.  Ohio Northern is the fourth team and will play the Bears tonight at 5:00.

I know nothing of Ohio Northern, but they look tough on paper.  They lost to Division I Toledo, 72-62, trailing by just one at the half and trailed by two with just 2 minutes left.  Toledo is not a good team, but...

The Polar Bears also defeated Defiance 106-94.  In that game, their junior forward scored 36 and finished with 10 rebounds and 3 blocks.  Their senior point guard scored 30 and finished with 14 assists.  Another senior guard scored 18.  Looks like they graduated three players who scored in double figures from the team that finished 16-10 last season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 25, 2017, 04:46:35 PM
Emory is locked in a battle with LaGrange and trail at the half 42-35 after the Panthers made a late run.  Definitely an entertaining game so far. 

The Eagles are playing without Whitt Rapp for the second game.  Rapp has a career second or third best assists record for Emory.  Romin Williams started in his place, but Nick Stuck has handled the most minutes of anyone in the point guard role.  The freshmen are playing a lot of minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 25, 2017, 05:50:42 PM
Emory falls to LaGrange, 84-78.

Lake Forest defeats Chicago, 82-77.

NYU and Carnegie Mellon destroyed whoever they played


Washington University is doing everything they can to lose this game against Ohio Northern as they trail 33-24 at the half.  The Bears are shooting an abysmal 19% from the field.  Jake Knupp and Andrew Sanders are a combined 0-10.

The Bears have committed 11 turnovers thanks largely to poor passing.  Regardless of the final score today, they are going to have to work on this.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 25, 2017, 07:04:47 PM
Washington University holds off the upset yet again with a 77-73 win over Ohio Northern

This game was won at the free-throw line with the Bears shooting 28-34 (82%).  Jake Knupp and Andrew Sanders were a combined 6-20 from the field, but scored 17 points from the line.  The team also shot 7-12 from three point range.

The big difference in the second half was the play of sophomore center Hank Hunter who went 4-5 from the field along with two blocks and one steal.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on November 26, 2017, 01:19:56 AM
I thought Ohio Northern was very impressive with its speed of operation.  Even in its half-court offense, the Polar Bears were very quick and seemed to have Wash-U a step behind for the first half.  Tough to handle.

You're right, Hank was the spark that the Bears needed for their 2nd-half surge.  Any expansion of scoring from the bench besides Jack Nolan is very, very welcome.  And, hopefully Matt Highsmith is starting to regain his high-percentage shooting.  Not sure if he was pressing in his starting role this season, or just a victim of bad shooting luck.  His 3-for-3 shooting beyond the arc is an encouraging sign.

Good to see the Bears battle back for the win.  Could be a nice trump card to play for the selection committee if the Polar Bears go on to have a very good season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 26, 2017, 09:45:34 AM
Ohio Northern is a good team and definitely quick.  This was noticeable on the boards.  They had two or three guys going after ever rebound (or so it seemed) and out rebounded Washington University 44-37.

David Schmelter and Marcus Meyer are also way below their field goal percentages from last season.  Both need to be more judicious with their shots away from the basket.

It looks like you have had almost two weeks away from the booth between the Lopata Classic and McWilliams Classic.  It seems that there is always one team playing at home at this time of year. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on November 26, 2017, 11:19:41 AM
The break was fortuitous...had a sinus infection last week that was a little bugger to get rid of.  Dayquil and Nyquil were my pick and roll combo...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 26, 2017, 01:49:00 PM
I am sorry to hear that...

I hope you feel better.

And, I hope Washington University finds a way to play defense in the second half as they trail the 1-3 Mount St. Joseph at the half, 55-35.  The Bears are playing better overall, but have been quiet from downtown (1-7) and have played mostly without Andrew Sanders who left the game yesterday with an injury.  I say mostly because the live stats suggest that he is 1-1 from the field.  I am not sure he has played.

MSJ shot a blistering 20-28 from the field so far and that is the difference in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 26, 2017, 02:01:10 PM
Sanders is definitely not playing.

This is a much different team on both sides of the court without his services.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 26, 2017, 02:45:53 PM
Washington University will lose and lose badly to Mount St. Joseph, 94-76.

At the point in which the coaches had cleared the benches, MSJ had been shooting around 70% from the field and 63% (12-19) from three point range thanks in part to 21 assists.

Washington University struggled mightily to defend the lightning quick guards and gave up 28 points in the paint.  They had the same issues against Tufts and Principia.   

The Bears proved today that they need Andrew Sanders in the game.  I do not trust the box score enough to comment further about the individual performances.  I see at least two mistakes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on November 26, 2017, 07:12:04 PM
Sanders definitely did not play because of an injury received in yesterday's game vs. Ohio Northern.  The stats and the video scoreboard were absolute messes.  Preliminary final stats had all 5 Wash-U starters with 40 minutes played.  That did not happen.

MSJ had a shooting performance for the ages...no dropoff from the 60-70% range all game.  That said, you are correct...Wash-U did have some problems stopping dribble penetration today.  And, the Bears did miss their pre-season All-American on both ends of the court.  Sanders is especially adept at being a secondary distributor out of the post when the first or second option is not open.  Today, after those first two passes, there was a pause more often than not that said, "What do we do now?  The timing of the offense was disrupted as a result.

Tip your hat to MSJ...it didn't allow the door to be left open in the 2nd half for a big Wash-U run.  And, it gave Wash-U lots to think about in the upcoming week--even if Sanders is able to return to action for the next game at Alma next Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 29, 2017, 11:03:00 AM
I'll never get around to reporting all UAA scores, but one game that was worthy of mention was the Sunday game between Emory and Maryville (TN).  Emory defeated Maryville 102-92.

Romin Williams started yet again for Whit Rapp who did not play.  Williams led the way in every regard: 23 points (8-14, 5-10), 9 rebounds, 8 assists.  Just a freshman and most likely leading the league in per 40 points.  Freshmen combined for 55 of those 102 points.  4 of the 5 reserves who played were freshmen.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 29, 2017, 12:07:30 PM
Quote from: WUH on November 29, 2017, 11:03:00 AM
I'll never get around to reporting all UAA scores, but one game that was worthy of mention was the Sunday game between Emory and Maryville (TN).  Emory defeated Maryville 102-92.

Romin Williams started yet again for Whit Rapp who did not play.  Williams led the way in every regard: 23 points (8-14, 5-10), 9 rebounds, 8 assists.  Just a freshman and most likely leading the league in per 40 points.  Freshmen combined for 55 of those 102 points.  4 of the 5 reserves who played were freshmen.

Romin Williams has 59 points on the season.

Lawrence Sabir, a Brandeis freshman, scored 26 pts yesterday in Brandeis's loss to UMass Dartmouth, and is currently leading all UAA first year players with 70 points scored this season so far.  Sabir also scored 26 pts in Brandeis's win at Lasell just before Thanksgiving.  The Judges need more work on defense, however, as they have given up early leads twice so far this season.  More people who can rebound wouldn't hurt, as Latye Workman is doing 1/3 of the Brandeis team rebounding so far.  Free throw shooting has gone well for the Brandeis men-- hope this continues.  Brandeis is only playing 9 of their 12 players on the roster so far this season.

Freshmen among top 10 scorers in UAA

Lawrence Sabir of Brandeis is averaging 17.5 ppg-- 4th in UAA
Romin Williams of Emory is averaging 14.8 ppg-- 9th in UAA
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 29, 2017, 12:32:22 PM
The point that I made as I mentioned in the post was that Romin Williams is leading in points per 40 minutes.  I said most likely because I knew it would be close and the Emory stats do not break it down as far as I can tell, but Williams is leading the UAA freshmen in points per 40 minutes.

The points per 40 is more relevant than overall points in my opinion because, at least for this season, Emory is the deeper team.

No question that what Lawrence Sabir is doing is very impressive.  I added him to my fantasy league team yesterday (though I believe I misspelled his name). 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 29, 2017, 12:43:55 PM
Curious results for WashU and CWRU last weekend in Cincinnati.

Saturday CWRU beats MSJ 74-69 and WashU beats ONU 77-73

Sunday ONU thumps CWRU 87-48  while MSJ beats WashU 96-74

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 29, 2017, 12:52:16 PM
Quote from: WUH on November 29, 2017, 12:32:22 PM
The point that I made as I mentioned in the post was that Romin Williams is leading in points per 40 minutes.  I said most likely because I knew it would be close and the Emory stats do not break it down as far as I can tell, but Williams is leading the UAA freshmen in points per 40 minutes.

The points per 40 is more relevant than overall points in my opinion because, at least for this season, Emory is the deeper team.

No question that what Lawrence Sabir is doing is very impressive.  I added him to my fantasy league team yesterday (though I believe I misspelled his name).

Pts per 40 minutes, by my unofficial calculation--

Lawrence Sabir scored 70 pts in 115 minutes of action-- approx 24.35 pts per 40 min.

Ronin Williams scored 59 pts in 98 minutes of action-- approx 24.08 pts per 40 minutes.

It is close-- edge to Sabir so far, but that will change as the season goes on.

Sabir is currently averaging 28.8 minutes per game to Ronin Williams's 24.5 min per game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 29, 2017, 02:53:15 PM
I should probably let it go rather than explain my rationale because I may be standing alone in this calculation, but since I am not calculating stats in any official capacity, I'll admit that I added in the points and minutes from the Lipscomb game. 

It was an exhibition game.  Lipscomb had to play it like a regular season game.  They played the regular season rotation of 8 players.  I understand all the reasons why others would disagree including the NCAA.  Just the way I did it.



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on November 29, 2017, 06:48:54 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on November 29, 2017, 12:43:55 PM
Curious results for WashU and CWRU last weekend in Cincinnati.

Saturday CWRU beats MSJ 74-69 and WashU beats ONU 77-73

Sunday ONU thumps CWRU 87-48  while MSJ beats WashU 96-74
Playing their fifth game in nine days; coming off of a very physical game with ONU the evening before on an 18 hr turnaround; and adjusting to playing without their preseason AA who rolled an ankle, the Bears were a little out of sorts on Sunday.  Add in a white hot shooting MSJ team (75% from 3 in first half;70% overall for game) and it was tough day for the Bears.
As the bench guys get more comfortable and grow into their roles, I think they will be fine.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 30, 2017, 02:24:54 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on November 29, 2017, 12:52:16 PM
Quote from: WUH on November 29, 2017, 12:32:22 PM
The point that I made as I mentioned in the post was that Romin Williams is leading in points per 40 minutes.  I said most likely because I knew it would be close and the Emory stats do not break it down as far as I can tell, but Williams is leading the UAA freshmen in points per 40 minutes.

The points per 40 is more relevant than overall points in my opinion because, at least for this season, Emory is the deeper team.

No question that what Lawrence Sabir is doing is very impressive.  I added him to my fantasy league team yesterday (though I believe I misspelled his name).

Pts per 40 minutes, by my unofficial calculation--

Lawrence Sabir scored 70 pts in 115 minutes of action-- approx 24.35 pts per 40 min.

Ronin Williams scored 59 pts in 98 minutes of action-- approx 24.08 pts per 40 minutes.

It is close-- edge to Sabir so far, but that will change as the season goes on.

Sabir is currently averaging 28.8 minutes per game to Ronin Williams's 24.5 min per game.

Update as of November 30 at approx 2:15 AM Eastern--

Ronin Williams of Emory scored 26 pts in 32 minutes of action against Birmingham Southern Wednesday night.  He led all Emory scorers in the 91-86 win over Birmingham Southern by shooting 7-15 from the field, 1-3 from 3 pt land, and 11-12 from the charity stripe.

He now has scored 85 pts in 130 minutes of action for the season.  My unofficial calculation now has Ronin Williams at 26.15 pts per 40 minutes of game action after the game vs Birmingham Southern.  That is good enough to take the lead over Sabir in the freshman category of most points scored per 40 minutes of game action.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 30, 2017, 02:49:49 AM
Through results of last night's games--

Ronin Williams of Emory is averaging 26.15 pts per 40 minutes of game action.  He is averaging 26 min of action per game.

Lawrence Sabir of Brandeis is averaging 24.35 pts per 40 minutes of game action.  Sabir is averaging 28.8 minutes per game.

All calculations unofficial.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on November 30, 2017, 11:01:50 AM
Quote from: Mr. Mo on November 29, 2017, 06:48:54 PM
Playing their fifth game in nine days; coming off of a very physical game with ONU the evening before on an 18 hr turnaround; and adjusting to playing without their preseason AA who rolled an ankle, the Bears were a little out of sorts on Sunday.  Add in a white hot shooting MSJ team (75% from 3 in first half;70% overall for game) and it was tough day for the Bears.
As the bench guys get more comfortable and grow into their roles, I think they will be fine.
Really like what I see from the two newcomers - Reinmiller and Nolan.  Excited to see how they do as they settle in.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 30, 2017, 11:59:30 AM
So it looks like it may be pretty hard to sit Williams if and when Rapp returns.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 30, 2017, 12:22:28 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 30, 2017, 11:59:30 AM
So it looks like it may be pretty hard to sit Williams if and when Rapp returns.

Whit Rapp has had a great career so far and averaged 8.6 assists per game last season and 9 per game so far this season. 

Williams had played for both Rapp and Gebereal Baitey at the two. 

Nick Stuck has also played some strong minutes as the point guard as well.

They seem to play a bit faster when Williams is running the offense.

It will be interesting to see what Coach Zimmerman has in mind, especially if Rapp returns soon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 01, 2017, 10:55:09 AM
Quote from: Mr. Mo on November 30, 2017, 11:01:50 AM
Really like what I see from the two newcomers - Reinmiller and Nolan.  Excited to see how they do as they settle in.

I definitely agree with this.

While not a newcomer, Hank Hunter is new to the rotation and I am excited to see more of what he can do.  Hunter played both the center and forward roles last weekend.  He went 8-10 with 10 rebounds and 0 turnovers between the two games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on December 01, 2017, 09:10:23 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 01, 2017, 10:55:09 AM
Quote from: Mr. Mo on November 30, 2017, 11:01:50 AM
Really like what I see from the two newcomers - Reinmiller and Nolan.  Excited to see how they do as they settle in.
I definitely agree with this.
While not a newcomer, Hank Hunter is new to the rotation and I am excited to see more of what he can do.  Hunter played both the center and forward roles last weekend.  He went 8-10 with 10 rebounds and 0 turnovers between the two games.
Agreed.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 03, 2017, 01:47:33 PM
Washington University leads Alma at the half, 46-39.

The last time Washington University traveled to Michigan, they watched the opposing center have a career game from three point range.  That may be happening again as Kevin Gamble is 4-5 from beyond the arc.

The Bears are playing a nice game overall leading with 21-12 advantage in rebounds and 12 assists.  Jake Knupp is leading the way with 14 points while Andrew Sanders is back and seemingly in full form.  11 points on 5-6 shooting.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 03, 2017, 01:51:12 PM
^^^ I watched the last 7 minutes or so of the first half. The Alma announcer is terrific in my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 03, 2017, 02:44:01 PM
Washington University gets the 96-86 road win over Alma.

Just a nice win with the Bears winning the battle of the boards 46-28 and registering 24 assists.  Jake Knupp and Andrew Sanders led all scorers with 26 points.  David Schmelter and Kevin Kucera also finished in double figures. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2017, 06:43:49 PM
Pts per 40 min update between Ronin Williams of Emory and Lawrence Sabir of Brandeis-- through today's games (12/3/2017)

Ronin Williams-- 102 pts in 160 minutes-- 25.5 pts per 40 min.

Lawrence Sabir-- 96 pts in 174 minutes-- 22.06 pts per 40 min.

All calculations unofficial.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 04, 2017, 03:16:23 PM
Just a few more random thoughts about Washington University and UAA basketball.

The win over Alma was largely about the starters, but the reserves did play some quality minutes.  I was thrilled to see DeVaughn Rucker on the floor.  DeVaughn finished with 4 points (2-4) and 5 rebounds in 9 minutes.  He probably should have drawn the foul on that last attempt.

Alma had a great video feed including the announcer and multiple-camera set-up.  They did a good job featuring students.  I had to laugh a little when the announcer referred to Matt Hightower.  That was an honest mistake and one that he only made once or twice.  I laugh only because that happens to Highsmith 1-2 times a year.

Jake Knupp has established himself as one of the most potent offensive threats in the UAA averaging 18 points per game and shooting 53% from three point range, but I love Knupp on defense.  Just my novice opinion, but I think he has a shot at UAA defensive player of the year as well.  My guess is that he will be called on to guard players such as Ryan Clamage and Ethan Feldman.

Feldman had been killing it for NYU.  The Tufts transfer is scoring 19.3 points per game through the first four games for the Violettes and shooting 67% from the field and 63% (14-22) from three point range. 

The Violettes have another newcomer-transfer shooting 67% in Dom Cristiano who is averaging 15.5 points per game. 

Important to know that the NYU stats do not include the last two games.  Feldman will see his stats decline based on the last two games in which he averaged 6.5 points, but Cristiano will see his stats improve as he averaged 19 points.

Ryan Clamage probably deserves a mention as does Jake Fenlon, but I'll have to leave that for another day...

I checked the Massey Ratings conference rankings and the 26-21 UAA is currently 14th in the nation (all the usual early season Massey disclaimers apply).  By comparison, the UAA was ranked No. 7 and the end of last season and No. 2 at the end of the season before that.  I am not sure if I have ever seen the conference so low.  There is still at least a month of non-conference games and a few more to be played during the conference season. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2017, 04:53:49 PM
The UAA Conference page does not have the NYU Men's Basketball stats fully updated yet, but NYU's own men's basketball page now has the current stats.

Ethan Feldman currently averages 16.8 ppg.  He has scored 84 pts in 134 minutes of action this season.

Dom Cristiano currently averages 16.6 ppg.  He has scored 83 pts in 117 minutes of action.

These stats include the results from the Medgar Evers game, which box score the UAA page does not include, but is now on NYU athletics own page.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 04, 2017, 05:31:29 PM
I enjoyed the Alma broadcast as well...had to laugh, though, when in one of the last student shots, one of them flipped the bird at the camera. 

I would take Knupp and Kucera and take my chances against any other starting guard tandem in D3.  Both can score and defend well.

I wonder if the UAA is perceived to be down, based on returning players...but may be much stronger than expected with some of these newcomers.  The proof will be in the post-season pudding, I guess.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 04, 2017, 05:33:42 PM
I enjoyed the Alma broadcast as well...had to laugh, though, when in one of the last student shots, one of them flipped the bird at the camera. 

I would take Knupp and Kucera and take my chances against any other starting guard tandem in D3.  Both can score and defend well.

I wonder if the UAA is perceived to be down, based on returning players...but may be much stronger than expected with some of these newcomers.  The proof will be in the post-season pudding, I guess.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 07, 2017, 06:43:34 PM
 I started watching the Brandeis v Newbury men's game on the live stream-- noticed the very poor shooting of the Judges, noticed the Judges are down 7 at the half to a very lousy Newbury Nighthawk squad that only plays 8 players.

"PeterEscobar" of Babson has to be LOL right now.  I'm glad that I am not at Auerbach Arena right now.

Don't think that the Latye Workman dunk during the first half makes up for the rest of the play of the Judges.  Lawrence Sabir had a really bad first half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 07, 2017, 07:32:01 PM
Brandeis outscored Newbury, 52-32 in the second half, to pick up their second win of the season, 75-63.  Whew on that one. Latye Workman had a double-double in addition to that first half dunk.

Brandeis goes on the road on Saturday for a very tough game at Wesleyan.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on December 08, 2017, 11:49:39 AM
1-on-1 interview with WashU men's basketball senior guard Jake Knupp. The St. Paul, Minn.-native is averaging 18.0 points, 5.5 rebounds and 4.0 assists per game for the Bears, who are 5-1 and ranked No. 11 in NCAA Division III. Knupp graduated in 3.5 years from WashU and will be attending Medical School.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCtJys8MH-E
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 08, 2017, 03:03:44 PM
So... he's not playing 2nd semester?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 08, 2017, 04:19:41 PM
Quote from: mck99 on December 08, 2017, 11:49:39 AM
1-on-1 interview with WashU men’s basketball senior guard Jake Knupp. The St. Paul, Minn.-native is averaging 18.0 points, 5.5 rebounds and 4.0 assists per game for the Bears, who are 5-1 and ranked No. 11 in NCAA Division III. Knupp graduated in 3.5 years from WashU and will be attending Medical School.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCtJys8MH-E

I assume that NCAA by-laws still allow Jake Knupp to compete in basketball until the end of the season even though he has already completed the degree requirements of the baccalaureate program for Wash U, correct?

Scenario-- Jake Knupp has already gone through the December recognition ceremony and his bachelor's degree will be conferred in January by the Wash U board of trustees.  He will not be enrolled as a grad student while competing.

I did some research on the NCAA by-laws, and I believe that Jake Knupp can still compete for the Wash U basketball team until the end of the season because the season started in Mr Knupp's final term of baccalaureate study. I do not have the exact citation on hand, however.

Update-- The by-law is in the NCAA DIII Manual, and it is By-law 14.1.8.1.6.7-- Eligibility After Completion of Degree Requirements.  Jake Knupp is covered under section b of that by-law-- that section allows students who complete the degree requirements in less than 4 consecutive years from date of initial enrollment to compete in a sport until the end of the season, if that season began during the student's final term of satisfying the degree requirements.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 08, 2017, 04:28:53 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 08, 2017, 03:03:44 PM
So... he's not playing 2nd semester?

That would be tough, but I definitely cannot blame him for graduating early.

If that were the case, the semester ends two days after the road game against Illinois Wesleyan.

I'll have to take back what I said about defensive player of the year, though I stand by the prediction.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 08, 2017, 05:03:09 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 08, 2017, 03:03:44 PM
So... he's not playing 2nd semester?

NCAA by-laws still allow Jake Knupp to compete for Wash U in basketball until the end of the season.  He would not be eligible to compete for Wash U in the spring sports, however.  I cited the by-law in another post explaining this situation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on December 08, 2017, 06:15:42 PM
While I cannot cite the bylaw provision, I believe I read in the NCAA manual that graduate students could compete in Div 3 athletics as long as they were competing at the school where they received their degree.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 08, 2017, 06:26:39 PM
This appears to be the citation from Page 90 of the NCAA manual:

14.1.8.1.6.7 
Eligibility  After  Completion  of  Degree  Requirements.
A  student-athlete who was eligible during the term in which degree work was completed may continue to practice and compete (through the conclusion of the season) after the final day of that term, only if:
(a) A postseason event (e.g., NCAA championship, NAIA championship, NCCAA championship) in  the  student-athlete's  sport  begins  within  60  days  after  the  end  of  the  term  in  which  the  student-athlete completes degree requirements;
(b) The  student-athlete  completed  his  or  her  degree  requirements  in  fewer  than  four  consecutive years from his or her initial collegiate enrollment and has been charged with a season of participation for that year prior to the completion of degree requirements; or (Revised: 5/18/17)
(c) The student-athlete is continuing enrollment pursuant to Bylaw 14.1.9 (see Bylaw 14.1.8.1.6.6).



I would assume that the full-time enrollment requirement still applies.  That is covered in the following section on Page 90, but I do not see anything there in that section.  It is hard to imagine that the NCAA would let a Division III athlete do nothing more than play basketball, but again, I know knowledge here.

14.1.8.1.7   
Waivers   of   the   Full-Time   Enrollment   Requirement   for   Practice   or   Competition.
Waivers may be granted for the following: (Adopted: 10/20/09)

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Riley056 on December 08, 2017, 06:41:42 PM
How many total semesters has he been enrolled?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 08, 2017, 06:43:39 PM
7 according to the earlier post.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Riley056 on December 08, 2017, 06:49:22 PM
You get 10 semesters to play 4 total seasons.

As long as he enrolls in spring semester in hours that consider him a full time student, good to go.

Sorry if previously mentioned.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 08, 2017, 07:27:44 PM
Quote from: Riley056 on December 08, 2017, 06:49:22 PM
You get 10 semesters to play 4 total seasons.  As long as he enrolls in spring semester in hours that consider him a full time student, good to go.  Sorry if previously mentioned.

Thanks! The question I was pondering was whether or not there was an exception to the full-time study rule. 

I am not sure if a student would want to pay the full freight just to play basketball, though I guess if he were to enroll in the pre-health post-baccalaureate program or something similar, the full time tuition would be in the $7,000-10,000 range for the semester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2017, 07:45:49 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 08, 2017, 06:26:39 PM
This appears to be the citation from Page 90 of the NCAA manual:

14.1.8.1.6.7 
Eligibility  After  Completion  of  Degree  Requirements.
A  student-athlete who was eligible during the term in which degree work was completed may continue to practice and compete (through the conclusion of the season) after the final day of that term, only if:
(a) A postseason event (e.g., NCAA championship, NAIA championship, NCCAA championship) in  the  student-athlete's  sport  begins  within  60  days  after  the  end  of  the  term  in  which  the  student-athlete completes degree requirements;
(b) The  student-athlete  completed  his  or  her  degree  requirements  in  fewer  than  four  consecutive years from his or her initial collegiate enrollment and has been charged with a season of participation for that year prior to the completion of degree requirements; or (Revised: 5/18/17)
(c) The student-athlete is continuing enrollment pursuant to Bylaw 14.1.9 (see Bylaw 14.1.8.1.6.6).



I would assume that the full-time enrollment requirement still applies.  That is covered in the following section on Page 90, but I do not see anything there in that section.  It is hard to imagine that the NCAA would let a Division III athlete do nothing more than play basketball, but again, I know knowledge here.

14.1.8.1.7   
Waivers   of   the   Full-Time   Enrollment   Requirement   for   Practice   or   Competition.
Waivers may be granted for the following: (Adopted: 10/20/09)


(a) above would seem to say he would be ineligible for the tourney!  Where's Pat or d-mac? ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 08, 2017, 09:42:33 PM
Quote from: Mr. Mo on December 08, 2017, 06:15:42 PM
While I cannot cite the bylaw provision, I believe I read in the NCAA manual that graduate students could compete in Div 3 athletics as long as they were competing at the school where they received their degree.

Yes. True at all schools in the NCAA. As long as you have eligibility left, you can be a graduate student and still play. Happens often, actually.

There have been efforts to allow these students to also transfer and play at another school. The first effort was shot down at the last convention. I believe there is another on the table for this convention. Personally, I support the effort, but too many people have ideas that it would create an arms race for some schools - even recruiting players (which is actually not allowed). I think it is a very small chance and current rules only hurt student-athletes who want to finish playing, but their current institution doesn't have the post-graduate degree they are looking for... but I digress.

Quote from: Riley056 on December 08, 2017, 06:49:22 PM
You get 10 semesters to play 4 total seasons.

As long as he enrolls in spring semester in hours that consider him a full time student, good to go.

Sorry if previously mentioned.


This may be previously mentioned as well, but they actually don't even have to be a full-time student per se. This is true for the academic side as well, but as long as a student is taking credits in their final semester, they don't have to hit the usual minimum for what classifies as a "full-time" student. If a student doesn't need that many credits to graduate, they aren't forced to take more than a few.

I haven't followed all of the details here, but as long as the SA is taking classes and by rule is classified a full-time student, he is eligible to compete in the regular season and the post-season.

It actually happens often in the second semester. I remember a friend who only had to take four credits in his final semester and still played basketball. He had done his work prior which certainly earned him that chance. Yeah, it is a bit light for that last semester, but again, he had earned it with his prior 3 1/2 semesters to be sure.

There are other situations that are pretty cool, in my opinion, like this. When I played collegiate soccer, my friend and the starting goalie for our team (I was honored to be his backup) was in a 3-2 program between Goucher and Hopkins. Three years at Goucher taking classes with occasional classes at Hopkins especially in that third year. Then he took classes at Hopkins the other two years. He ended up graduating with a BA from Goucher and an Engineering degree from Hopkins in five years. The best part was his fourth year, he still played for Goucher men's soccer even though he wasn't taking classes at Goucher. It was allowed because he was a full-time student in the 3-2 program. He actually had a choice if you wanted to play for Goucher or Hopkins and chose to stay with our squad.

That and many other reasons is why I appreciate Division III as much as I do.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 08, 2017, 10:24:36 PM
Question. I understand the less than full time clause when a student needs less than a full time load to graduate, but what about a student who has graduated?  Anything less than full-time would be arbitrary.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 08, 2017, 10:30:54 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 08, 2017, 10:24:36 PM
Question. I understand the less than full time clause when a student needs less than a full time load to graduate, but what about a student who has graduated?  Anything less than full-time would be arbitrary.

If he has officially graduated, then they have to be enrolled in a graduate program and be full-time in that program. Different situation.

Also, "graduated" means done taking classes and the degree has been officially given. My friend was done with all his requirements, but took a few more elective classes. He didn't get his degree until May.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 08, 2017, 10:42:09 PM
It seems to be the situation here...

Washington University does not offer a part time rate in the eighth semester, so no hanging around. But there are other options.

The fans may have to wait and see what the starting line-up for the Augustana game looks like.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 08, 2017, 10:43:42 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 08, 2017, 10:42:09 PM
It seems to be the situation here...

Washington University does not offer a part time rate in the eighth semester, so no hanging around. But there are other options.

The fans may have to wait and see what the starting line-up for the Augustana game looks like.

Most students I know do not pay the part-time rate even if they are taking less classes... but honestly, that's where I get lost a bit in the whole thing.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2017, 11:22:29 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2017, 07:45:49 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 08, 2017, 06:26:39 PM
This appears to be the citation from Page 90 of the NCAA manual:

14.1.8.1.6.7 
Eligibility  After  Completion  of  Degree  Requirements.
A  student-athlete who was eligible during the term in which degree work was completed may continue to practice and compete (through the conclusion of the season) after the final day of that term, only if:
(a) A postseason event (e.g., NCAA championship, NAIA championship, NCCAA championship) in  the  student-athlete's  sport  begins  within  60  days  after  the  end  of  the  term  in  which  the  student-athlete completes degree requirements;
(b) The  student-athlete  completed  his  or  her  degree  requirements  in  fewer  than  four  consecutive years from his or her initial collegiate enrollment and has been charged with a season of participation for that year prior to the completion of degree requirements; or (Revised: 5/18/17)
(c) The student-athlete is continuing enrollment pursuant to Bylaw 14.1.9 (see Bylaw 14.1.8.1.6.6).



I would assume that the full-time enrollment requirement still applies.  That is covered in the following section on Page 90, but I do not see anything there in that section.  It is hard to imagine that the NCAA would let a Division III athlete do nothing more than play basketball, but again, I know knowledge here.

14.1.8.1.7   
Waivers   of   the   Full-Time   Enrollment   Requirement   for   Practice   or   Competition.
Waivers may be granted for the following: (Adopted: 10/20/09)


(a) above would seem to say he would be ineligible for the tourney!  Where's Pat or d-mac? ;)

d-mac, my reading of the above would be that he can complete the season even if not enrolled, but the tourney begins (I would assume) more than 60 days after he graduated.  Would they suddenly lose him for the tourney?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 09, 2017, 01:13:10 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2017, 11:22:29 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2017, 07:45:49 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 08, 2017, 06:26:39 PM
This appears to be the citation from Page 90 of the NCAA manual:

14.1.8.1.6.7 
Eligibility  After  Completion  of  Degree  Requirements.
A  student-athlete who was eligible during the term in which degree work was completed may continue to practice and compete (through the conclusion of the season) after the final day of that term, only if:
(a) A postseason event (e.g., NCAA championship, NAIA championship, NCCAA championship) in  the  student-athlete’s  sport  begins  within  60  days  after  the  end  of  the  term  in  which  the  student-athlete completes degree requirements;
(b) The  student-athlete  completed  his  or  her  degree  requirements  in  fewer  than  four  consecutive years from his or her initial collegiate enrollment and has been charged with a season of participation for that year prior to the completion of degree requirements; or (Revised: 5/18/17)
(c) The student-athlete is continuing enrollment pursuant to Bylaw 14.1.9 (see Bylaw 14.1.8.1.6.6).



I would assume that the full-time enrollment requirement still applies.  That is covered in the following section on Page 90, but I do not see anything there in that section.  It is hard to imagine that the NCAA would let a Division III athlete do nothing more than play basketball, but again, I know knowledge here.

14.1.8.1.7   
Waivers   of   the   Full-Time   Enrollment   Requirement   for   Practice   or   Competition.
Waivers may be granted for the following: (Adopted: 10/20/09)


(a) above would seem to say he would be ineligible for the tourney!  Where's Pat or d-mac? ;)

d-mac, my reading of the above would be that he can complete the season even if not enrolled, but the tourney begins (I would assume) more than 60 days after he graduated.  Would they suddenly lose him for the tourney?

The scenarios are to be read as in any one of the three situations, and not subsection a combined with subsection b or subsection c.  The section about tourneys in subsection a covers seniors who compete in spring sports such as baseball, softball, tennis,  outdoor track and field, and lacrosse.  They don't lose their eligibilty even if the graduation ceremony is a few weeks before the spring postseason tournaments.  Therefore, Wash U would still be allowed by the NCAA to have Jake Knupp compete in the NCAA basketball tourney-- he is allowed to compete under the second scenario.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on December 09, 2017, 02:45:25 AM
We had this discussion quite a while back, it seems to me about a lady SLIAC player... what Desi finally said is correct.. if you complete degree requirements in semester 7, you can compete to complete your season in semester 8... Knupp is permitted to do nothing but concentrate on Basketball if so desired, no Graduate courses, no mandatory class hours...and he is eligible for the tourney.... scenario b is to be read on its own merit..
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 09, 2017, 03:42:12 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 09, 2017, 02:45:25 AM
We had this discussion quite a while back, it seems to me about a lady SLIAC player... what Desi finally said is correct.. if you complete degree requirements in semester 7, you can compete to complete your season in semester 8... Knupp is permitted to do nothing but concentrate on Basketball if so desired, no Graduate courses, no mandatory class hours...and he is eligible for the tourney.... scenario b is to be read on its own merit..

Hopefan is correct in that statement.  Since Jake Knupp will not be enrolled as a full time Wash U grad student this spring, he cannot compete on any of the Wash U spring varsity teams this year. For example, he cannot be an emergency relief pitcher on the Wash U baseball team.   After the basketball season is over, that is it.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 09, 2017, 09:09:06 AM
But the subsequent exemptions to the full-time enrollment requirement in the NCAA manual do not list graduation during the season.

Letting a student do nothing but.play a sport for over two months when others are in class seems crazy.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 09, 2017, 09:56:44 AM
Crazy stuff. I have a headache trying to figure this out. It does seem strange that the student doesn't even have to be enrolled to play out his season if he graduated early. I would think he's got to be on the books somewhere.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 09, 2017, 10:54:03 AM
Nobody has a problem with senior baseball players, tennis players, outdoor track and field athletes, or lacrosse players competing in the postseason even though the  date of the national title games is after May commencement at most colleges and universities.  The degree in May is conferred upon the graduating senior before the season ends if his team or he is in the hunt for a national championship.

Why should a student be punished mid season in the winter sports for getting his/her degree conferred in January by virtue of completing the degree requirements?  He already is not eligible to start a season in the spring sports by virtue of not being a full time student.  Do you want to punish a student further by forcing him/her to leave a team mid-season because of successful completion of academic studies?  If that were the case, no senior could compete for a college in spring sports by extension.  Technically, the summer sessions would already have started on the date of the national title game in d3baseball.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 09, 2017, 11:55:10 AM
Quote from: mck99 on December 08, 2017, 11:49:39 AM
1-on-1 interview with WashU men’s basketball senior guard Jake Knupp. The St. Paul, Minn.-native is averaging 18.0 points, 5.5 rebounds and 4.0 assists per game for the Bears, who are 5-1 and ranked No. 11 in NCAA Division III. Knupp graduated in 3.5 years from WashU and will be attending Medical School.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCtJys8MH-E

Jake Knupp actually said that he was planning to take a gap year first before going on to medical school.  There was nothing in that interview that stated that he was immediately beginning studies at Wash U School of Medicine-- as a matter of fact, in the interview, Jake did not say that he had been admitted to med school yet.  He did say that he was interested in being a pediatrician. 

As you can see, people watching the interview have been trying to make a big deal about eligibility requirements.  I have stated earlier that I do not have a problem with his eligibilty by my reading of the NCAA by-laws-- others disagree.

In general, I do agree in the full-time study requirement of a student-athlete, but I find nothing wrong in the exceptions to this requirement listed in the by-laws.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 09, 2017, 11:59:09 AM
I believe the NCAA requires institutions to certify the start and end dates of the standard academic year.  Every institution offers a summer term, but I have never seen a college or university that expects undergraduate to enroll in the summer term though there are exceptions to everything.

I am not sure the NCAA is punishing a student, but rather they are setting a standard and students choose to compete on a schedule that they choose.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 09, 2017, 12:20:01 PM
Quote from: WUH on December 09, 2017, 11:59:09 AM
I believe the NCAA requires institutions to certify the start and end dates of the standard academic year.  Every institution offers a summer term, but I have never seen a college or university that expects undergraduate to enroll in the summer term though there are exceptions to everything.

I am not sure the NCAA is punishing a student, but rather they are setting a standard and students choose to compete on a schedule that they choose.

I have no problem with the losing of eligibility of Wash U athletes, or any other college athletes, for baseball, softball, outdoor track and field, and men's and women's tennis if those athletes complete degree requirements and choose to graduate in December without continuing on as full-time grad students. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 09, 2017, 12:30:29 PM
That was not my point.

Basketball has another full term in which to enroll for most schools. Baseball does not.

Anyway...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 09, 2017, 01:16:53 PM
Brandeis men have started out on a 13-0 run.  With 12:34 left in the first half, Wesleyan has yet to score.....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 09, 2017, 01:46:26 PM
After Brandeis took a 15-0 lead about 8 minutes into the game, Wesleyan started to play and roar back to life.  Brandeis leads 32-30 at the half, but Wesleyan finished the half with a 30-17 run.  This game seems typical of the way the entire first semester has gone for the Judges....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 09, 2017, 05:18:22 PM
Washington University defeats Central College, 87-83.

Andrew Sanders had a game finishing with 29 points and 14 rebounds. Just an absolute monster.

The Bears were moving the ball well for much of the first half and then...

24 turnovers overall, but thankfully they out rebounded Central by a 58-26 margin.  That was the difference.

Both teams held the lead in the final minutes until Jack Nolan had the biggest of big time three pointers that gave the Bears a five point lead. Nolan would also get an inbounds pass and would hit a free throw to seal the game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 10, 2017, 10:49:04 AM
For those who think it is crazy for student-athletes to compete in basketball after they have finished their requirements the previous December consider this: they have gone above and beyond, usually, what any other student has done. They have completed their degree in less time than the average (assuming no red shirt season) meaning they focused even more on their studies while also playing a sport and all that it entails.

Let's stop knocking student-athletes for being ... students. There are no problems if a student-athlete played two more months of basketball with little or no classes after busting their rears ends prior to which allowed them to be in that situation. On top of that, they did it while remaining a student-in-good-standing.

The rules are fine. These students deserve what they earned. Let it go.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 10, 2017, 01:34:51 PM
Maybe the worst misread I have seen on D3boards.com.

No one knocked a player.  No one.

There was discussion on an NCAA policy that had clearly ended.  Nothing reached the level of the let it go comment.

The frustrating part is that if a player, coach or parent were to start by reading your post, given your status and reputation, they may just assume that where there is smoke, there must be fire.

Very disappointing.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 10, 2017, 10:40:11 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on December 09, 2017, 11:55:10 AM
As you can see, people watching the interview have been trying to make a big deal about eligibility requirements.  I have stated earlier that I do not have a problem with his eligibilty by my reading of the NCAA by-laws-- others disagree.

In general, I do agree in the full-time study requirement of a student-athlete, but I find nothing wrong in the exceptions to this requirement listed in the by-laws.

Quote from: WUH on December 09, 2017, 09:09:06 AM
But the subsequent exemptions to the full-time enrollment requirement in the NCAA manual do not list graduation during the season.

Letting a student do nothing but.play a sport for over two months when others are in class seems crazy.

That's just two comments that did take it into the rhealm that I reacted to... and from what I have been reading it started turning into what appeared to be an issue.

And you can be disappointed, but aren't you the one who stated letting a student do nothing except play a sport over two months seems crazy?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on December 10, 2017, 10:55:47 PM
Seems like a great kid.  I applaud his acheivements.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 11, 2017, 02:33:01 AM
You said that I knocked a player.

Clearly my posts were about the policy.

You are in the wrong.

Delete your posts.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 11, 2017, 03:38:56 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 10, 2017, 10:40:11 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on December 09, 2017, 11:55:10 AM
As you can see, people watching the interview have been trying to make a big deal about eligibility requirements.  I have stated earlier that I do not have a problem with his eligibilty by my reading of the NCAA by-laws-- others disagree.

In general, I do agree in the full-time study requirement of a student-athlete, but I find nothing wrong in the exceptions to this requirement listed in the by-laws.

Quote from: WUH on December 09, 2017, 09:09:06 AM
But the subsequent exemptions to the full-time enrollment requirement in the NCAA manual do not list graduation during the season.

Letting a student do nothing but.play a sport for over two months when others are in class seems crazy.

That's just two comments that did take it into the rhealm that I reacted to... and from what I have been reading it started turning into what appeared to be an issue.

And you can be disappointed, but aren't you the one who stated letting a student do nothing except play a sport over two months seems crazy?

I was not knocking Jake Knupp for graduating early.  I applaud him for his achievement.  I also thought that the discussion, heated as it was, was about the NCAA policy.  I hate it that one of my comments got misinterpreted-- I did not imply that anyone wanted to knock a student for successful academic achievement-- my argument was for not changing the NCAA policy, and I made an argument to people on the other side that changing this policy would be akin to punishing the student. My argument probably got misread.  WUH and I were discussing/debating about the NCAA policy, and the discussion/debate got heated-- probably a little too heated.

I ended this discussion on Saturday, and I have no further plans to return to this topic.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 11, 2017, 05:11:15 AM
Ronin Williams vs Lawrence Sabir update--

As of today, I concede that Romin Williams of Emory is the clear frontrunner for UAA Rookie of the Year.

1.) Romin Williams-- Emory-- 16.7 ppg-- 117 pts in 186 min of action-- 25.16 points pet 40 min.

2.) Lawrence Sabir-- Brandeis-- 13.5 ppg-- 108 pts in 234 min of action-- 18.46 points per 40 min.

Romin Williams is shooting 15-40 from 3 pt land-- Lawrence Sabir is 0-7 from that distance.

Emory is also a deeper team than Brandeis.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 11, 2017, 10:59:55 AM
By most college sports forum standards, our policy discussion was a casual conversation. 

The conversation had clearly end as both parties moved on to discuss our teams.

Nothing reached the level of an issue.

Quote from: deiscanton on December 11, 2017, 05:11:15 AM
As of today, I concede that Romin Williams of Emory is the clear frontrunner for UAA Rookie of the Year.

It is too early to concede the award, though definitely the frontrunner. 

Not that I get to take any credit other than bringing up his name in conversation.

I am prone to hyperbole, but I seriously think Williams may be a Hakim Harris level guard, even if their skill sets do not fully overlap.

Between Williams and Matt Davet, Emory may have the tools to give Washington University a run for their money.  The first game is set for a Sunday in Atlanta!  Should be interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 11, 2017, 02:24:36 PM
I was going to talk about how Chicago was looking rather one-dimensional yet again and talk about their fatal late game technical did them in.  I was going to talk about their 3-4 record and SOS, but I'll leave it.

At the risk of making a big deal out of what is ultimately nothing, I just want to let everyone know that this will be my last post in the UAA thread.

I am sure this is an overreaction, but I no longer want to post if there is any chance at all that others think I am disrespecting the players.  I was surely wasting too much time here as well so this is for the best.

I had a good run and every so often I had something to say that arguably was worth reading.  Thanks to anyone who ever read my posts and thanks to those who posted here during my time. 

This thread has long been on life support.  Alan, I would love to see you resuscitate the thread you started.  I always thought that others would post more if I backed off.

I'll miss talking about the current squad which has been one of my favorites to watch in 10 seasons following the program. 

I'll keep my account long enough to finish out my fantasy league teams.  And, I'll probably show up on the CCIW thread to brag about the road win over IWU (they are extremely rare) and the home win over Augustana (old hat), but those will be my final contributions.

I'll also miss talking about March.  I think there will be a lot to talk about.  #LetsGoWashU
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 11, 2017, 03:09:12 PM
I'm sorry to see you go, WUH.  Maybe after some time passes, you can post again if you feel like it.  In the meantime, enjoy the games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on December 11, 2017, 03:55:18 PM
I have read just about everyone of your posts on this thread WUH and I never once thought you were disrespectful towards anyone. Very fair to all UAA teams.... sad to see you go, loved reading your posts and staying caught up in one of the most unique and interesting conferences in all of college sports!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on December 11, 2017, 04:14:07 PM
I think the posts were all in good faith.  Hate to see you leave over what should be a happy topic — that a young man graduated pre-med from a top institution in seven semesters while playing college basketball.

Enjoy your posts on this board.  Please reconsider.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 12, 2017, 07:46:53 AM
Massey predictions for tonight-- Men

Ithaca at Rochester

Rochester 81, Ithaca 67

Rochester-- 90%, Ithaca 10%

Wash U at Fontbonne

Wash U 94, Fontbonne 72

Wash U-- 97%, Fontbonne--3%

NYU at Hunter

NYU 76, Hunter 73

NYU-- 61%, Hunter-- 39%

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on December 12, 2017, 09:36:01 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on December 12, 2017, 07:46:53 AM
Massey predictions for tonight-- Men

Ithaca at Rochester

Rochester 81, Ithaca 67

Rochester-- 90%, Ithaca 10%

Wash U at Fontbonne

Wash U 94, Fontbonne 72

Wash U-- 97%, Fontbonne--3%

NYU at Hunter

NYU 76, Hunter 73

NYU-- 61%, Hunter-- 39%

3% Fontbonne?????   Sorry to say way too high....BUT. with all those Wash U seniors, WAIT 'TIL NEXT YEAR!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 14, 2017, 10:30:34 AM
I did not catch the come from behind win by Chicago last night over Albion because I was too tired and went to bed at halftime after half-watching the opening half of the game on the video stream, but here are some thoughts on seeing the season stats and the box score of the game:

If what WUH meant by Chicago being one-dimensional on offense meaning that Chicago's option #1 on offense seeming to be give the ball to Jake Fenlon and ride his 3 pt shooting to victory, I have to agree.  Chicago trailed by 10 at the half last night when the Maroons were too dependent on Jake Fenlon, and was down by as much as 18 pts in the third quarter.  Chicago balanced out their scoring in the second half and overtime to get the victory over an Albion team which currently has 1 win on the season.  Chicago goes to 4-4 on the year.

Jake Fenlon is an excellent 3 pt shooter, but no UAA team can be successful on just one player alone.  Brandeis found that out years ago with Rashad Williams.  Rashad Williams is in the Brandeis Athletics Hall of Fame for being the Judges's all-time leading scorer, but Brandeis was never successful as a team in the years that he played.

Looking forward to seeing Illinois Wesleyan make their 3 game run on the UAA over the next few weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 14, 2017, 01:57:14 PM
As far as the Chicago men are concerned, they did not make the regional rankings last year, and unless the Maroons win out in the non-conference, go at least 3-3 against the grouping of Emory, Rochester, and Wash U, and lose no more than 1 game against the rest of the UAA slate, the Chicago men probably won't be a Pool C candidate this year either.

Knightslappy currently has Chicago at a .504 SOS after last night's game vs Albion.  I like Knightslappy's SOS calculations on the men's side since the men use a home/away multiplier.

Could Chicago still finish in 3rd place in the UAA, as picked in the preseason by the UAA coaches?  Possible.

However, as far as the NCAA tournament picture is concerned, the teams to watch in conference are Wash U, Emory, and Rochester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 14, 2017, 02:56:19 PM
KnightSlappy has unofficially calculated current SOS numbers for the UAA men's basketball teams. 

Brandeis's SOS is not listed since the Judges are not currently in the top 40 in the Northeast, as measured by RPI.  KnightSlappy's unofficial rankings rank the teams in each region by ratings percentage index, which DIII does not currently use as a criteria for selection.

Men use a home/away multiplier in the SOS calculations.

Here are the teams with their SOS calculated as of December 14 at 12:30 PM Eastern, according to KnightSlappy:

1.). Wash U's SOS is currently .514
2.). Emory's SOS is currently .457
3.). Chicago's SOS is currently .504
4.). Rochester's SOS is currently .556
5.). New York Univ's SOS is currently .351
6.). Case's SOS is currently .525
7.). Carnegie Mellon's SOS is currently .566

Source:   tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-regional-rankings.HTML (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-regional-rankings.html)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on December 15, 2017, 12:10:27 PM
Interview with WashU Men's Basketball coach Mark Edwards, who won the 670th game of his illustrious career Tuesday at Fontbonne. WashU (7-1) travels to Illinois Wesleyan (7-1) Sunday for a key regional contest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdaTJjQQc7Y
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 17, 2017, 07:31:39 AM
I watched the Emory v Guilford game on-line yesterday.

First of all, Emory has a great video broadcast with Justin Hoffman on men's commentary.  Great ads at halftime promoting Emory and NCAA Division III.

Second, good to see Whit Rapp back in the line-up.  He had a good game with 8 assists in 21 min of action yesterday.

Third, Romin Williams still makes a huge impact off the bench with 16 pts off 4 treys.  Emory hit 10 3's in the first half and 15 for the game.

Fourth, I was expecting a close game, but Emory's defense and 3 pt shooting led to a 20-0 run that effectively put away the game by halftime.  Emory picks up a great win over a regionally ranked opponent from last season.  I will be very surprised if this win is not a result vs a regionally ranked opponent on Feb. 21.

Brandeis is going to have to improve defensively if they are going to have any chance of holding Emory under 60 pts this season.

Looking forward to Illinois Wesleyan's tour through the UAA for the next 3 games.  The Titans play Wash U and Chicago before the holiday break, and then play at Emory in December 28.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 17, 2017, 09:44:13 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on December 17, 2017, 07:31:39 AM
Fourth, I was expecting a close game, but Emory's defense and 3 pt shooting led to a 20-0 run that effectively put away the game by halftime.  Emory picks up a great win over a regionally ranked opponent from last season.  I will be very surprised if this win is not a result vs a regionally ranked opponent on Feb. 21.
With a 4-4 record and some losses to not great teams Guilford will have to improve a lot to be regionally ranked come February.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 17, 2017, 09:52:08 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on December 17, 2017, 09:44:13 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on December 17, 2017, 07:31:39 AM
Fourth, I was expecting a close game, but Emory's defense and 3 pt shooting led to a 20-0 run that effectively put away the game by halftime.  Emory picks up a great win over a regionally ranked opponent from last season.  I will be very surprised if this win is not a result vs a regionally ranked opponent on Feb. 21.
With a 4-4 record and some losses to not great teams Guilford will have to improve a lot to be regionally ranked come February.

I see your point there.  Last season, Guilford was ranked #2 in South, and Emory was #3 in South by the NCAA.   So from my point of view, I came into yesterday's game expecting a battle between 2 regionally ranked sides.  If Guilford doesn't improve, they will have to win the ODAC AQ to get into the NCAAs, and that conference tournament is tough to win. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 17, 2017, 10:17:03 AM
Taking y_jack_lok's point that Guilford may not be ranked in South come Feb. 21, Emory has 3 teams left on schedule that were regionally ranked last season:

Illinois Wesleyan-- ranked #7 in Central by NCAA.

Wash U-- ranked #2 in Central by NCAA.-- 2 games in conference

Rochester-- ranked #1 in East by NCAA-- 2 games in conference.

Emory will have to win at least 2 of those games to get a shot at a Pool C bid if the Eagles don't take the UAA AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 17, 2017, 04:54:12 PM
Wash-U leads 58-33 at halftime from the Shirk Center at Illinois Wesleyan.  A perfect offensive storm for the Bears, shooting 59% overall and 7-12 from 3-point range, with 19 assists.  Jack Nolan is 5-5 overall and 3-3 from the arc, Andrew Sanders was 5-6 overall and 11 points, and Matt Highsmith has found his shooting stroke after being in the 25% range early in the season.  Highsmith had 16 first-half points shooting 6-7 from the floor...and David Schmelter had 2 dunks in a row among his 4-5 shooting.

Defense has been just as good, holding the Titans to 29% shooting on their home floor.

We'll see what the second half holds, but the Bears enjoyed arguably their best first half of the season to this point...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 17, 2017, 05:46:44 PM
Wash U wins today, 95-69, and the game wasn't even that close.  It seemed to me as I was watching this one that I felt like introducing Illinois Wesleyan to Guilford, and vice versa.

Chicago hosts Illinois Wesleyan Tuesday to close out play going into the holiday break.

Illinois Wesleyan coach Ron Rose gave a frank accounting of the game afterwards before the video cut out.

Jaybird44, any further thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 17, 2017, 06:19:08 PM
Some early transition baskets from Wash-U put the Titans on their heels...many perceive the Bears as a proficient half-court offense that doesn't do a lot of looking for fast-break opportunities.  But, Kucera and Knupp don't hesitate to push the ball up the floor quickly if there is an advantage.

David Schmelter has raised his game in the last 2-3 weeks.  Early in the season he was a 7-and-7 man of points and rebounds per game.  He now has had a few double-doubles to enjoy, and his rebound average per game is now at 9 and change. 

Teams are trying 2-3 zone defenses to offset Wash-U's early-season prowess from 3-point range...but as long as the Bears move well without the ball, the constant screening action will eventually find open shooters in good spots to shoot.

A dangerous team to face, but there are others as well that are talented.  Including Illinois Wesleyan.  I expect the Titans to recover from the loss and play well at Chicago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 18, 2017, 06:40:29 AM

That finally looked like the WashU team I was expecting coming into the season.  If they can keep that level of play up, they're a title contender.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 19, 2017, 11:45:48 AM
I have been reading the CCIW men's basketball forum, and the subject of video paywalls caught my attention.

Currently, 2 UAA schools use video paywalls.  Emory charges a nominal fee if you want to watch their Boxcast video stream in high definition.  There is no charge for watching the Boxcast stream in standard definition video.  I watched the Emory v Guilford game using the standard def video option on my Fire tablet.  I found the resolution to be quite acceptable for my uses.

Rochester's video paywall is more extreme.  Rochester charges $6.95 for 1 day's use of their video paywall, or $10.95 per month on a monthly subscription, if you want to watch video of their games.  I listen to JC DeLass and the WYSL internet audio feed for Rochester coverage whenever I can do it.

I see Division 1 schools charge to watch video of their games and it is just as irritating for me to have to deal with it as it is when I have to watch a d3 school use a paywall for video content.

It is one thing to charge a fee if you want to watch a game in person and have that gate fee subsidize the video content.  It is quite another thing to charge for live streaming.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 19, 2017, 12:35:12 PM
Wash U has just been honored by the NABC as its DIII Men's Basketball Team of the Week for games played Dec. 11-17, 2017.  Congrats to the Bears on receiving this honor.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 19, 2017, 12:53:26 PM
Summary of honors given to UAA players for games played December 11-17, 2017:

Jake Fenlon, Chicago-- UAA Player of the Week

Jack Nolan, Wash U-- D3Hoops.com Team of the Week
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 19, 2017, 09:54:43 PM
Chicago lost to Illinois Wesleyan today.  The Titans won 76-65 over the Maroons to go to 1-1 vs UAA teams with Emory to follow on December 28.

For Chicago, Jake Fenlon was held scoreless in the first half, and finished with 5 pts for the game before fouling out without making a 3 pointer today.

Noah Karras led Chicago off the bench with 18 pts, while Colin Barthel had a double-double with 13 pts and 13 rebounds.

Brady Rose led Illinois Wesleyan with 25 pts on 8-18 shooting from the field, 5-9 from 3 pt land, and 4-4 from the line.

Zach Knoblauch had 11 pts for the Titans, and Jayden Beasley had 9 rebounds to lead Illinois Wesleyan in that department.

UAA men's basketball now takes the holiday break until Thursday, December 28, when Emory hosts Illinois Wesleyan.

Season's Greetings!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 26, 2017, 02:50:02 PM
UAA Rookies to watch--

Scoring

1.). Romin Williams, Emory, 16.6 ppg, 25.45 points per 40 min.
2.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis, 13.3 ppg, 18.46 points per 40 min.
3.). Ignas Masiulionis, Case, 10.9 ppg, 19.88 points per 40 min.
4.). Antonio Ionadi, Case, 10.6 ppg, 16.19 points per 40 min.
5.). Jack Nolan, Wash U, 10.1 ppg, 21.04 points per 40 min.

Also to watch in scoring--

Matt Davet, Emory, 8.0 ppg, 25.85 points per 40 min (64 pts scored in 99 min of action this season.)

Rebounding

1.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis, 4 RPG, 32 rebounds on season.
1.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis, 4 RPG, 32 rebounds on season.
3.). Romin Williams, Emory, 3.8 RPG, 30 rebounds on season.
4.)  Bobby Hawkinson, NYU, 3.6 rpg, 29 rebounds on season.
5.). Ignas Masiulionis, Case, 3.6 RPG, 29 rebounds on season.

Assists

1.). Romin Williams, Emory, 4.5 APG, 36 assists this season
2.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis, 3.9 APG, 31 assists this season
3.). Antonio Ionadi, Case, 2.1 APG, 17 assists this season
4.). Zach Watson, Carnegie Mellon, 2 APG, 14 assists this season
5.). Ignas Masiulionis, Case, 1.6 APG, 13 assists this season

Steals

1.). Romin Williams, Emory, 1.8 spg, 14 steals this season
2.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis, 1.6 spg, 13 steals this season
3.) Jack Nolan, Wash U, 1 spg, 9 steals this season
4.). Ignas Masiulionis, Case, 1 spg, 8 steals this season
5.). Zach Watson, Carnegie Mellon, 0.9 spg, 6 steals this season.
5.) Antonio Ionadi, Case, 0.8 spg, 6 steals this season.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 28, 2017, 03:47:05 AM
I have added Matt Davet of Emory to the rookie scoring list based on his point production per 40 min. (unofficial calculation)

Thanks to WUH for commenting about him in the CCIW forum relating to today's Illinois Wesleyan v Emory game.

Matt Davet is currently shooting 21-41, 13-27 from 3 pt land for the season. (48.1% from 3 pt land for the season).

He had a 12 pt game last time out vs Guilford-- 4 3's made in that game.

Davet is averaging 12.4 minutes off the bench this season-- making him a quick impact player for Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 28, 2017, 04:27:44 AM
Whit Rapp started for Emory last time out vs Guilford and had a 9 point, 8 assist performance in his first game back from injury.

I will be watching Illinois Wesleyan vs Emory later today.

Update-- Rapp played against Piedmont before missing the next six games of the season due to injury.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 28, 2017, 02:04:48 PM
Justin Hanover on the Emory webcast has stated that Romin Williams is not playing today's game vs Illinois Wesleyan due to a stomach bug.

Back to the game...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 28, 2017, 02:41:07 PM
 Emory up 32-26 at the half.

I had to follow the rest of the first half on live stats after the live video stream cut out with 8:27 remaining in the half.

Hopefully video will be up and running soon...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 28, 2017, 03:40:32 PM
Video stream from Emory returned with 12 min left in the game.

Emory took a double digit lead with approx 8 min remaining, and beat Illinois Wesleyan today, 72-56.

Adam Gigax had 21 pts and 5 rebounds to lead Emory.

The UAA goes 2-1 vs Illinois Wesleyan.  The Titans play Birmingham Southern tomorrow, while Emory plays Transylvania.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 28, 2017, 03:56:06 PM
Leading scorers for Emory today--

Adam Gigax 21 pts 5 rebounds
Whit Rapp 12 pts 3 rebounds 5 assists
Beau Bommarito 12 pts 8 rebounds

Gebereal Baitley had 4 assists for Emory.

Christopher Avant led Emory in the steals dept with 2 for the game.

Also, Emory freshman Matt Davet made 3-5 from the free throw line in 9 min of action.  Davet had 7 rebounds, but did not hit a 3 pointer today.


For Illinois Wesleyan--

Brady Rose 17 pts
Jaylen Beasley 10 pts, 8 rebounds, 2 steals.

Colin Bennett had 5 assists.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 28, 2017, 10:45:12 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on December 28, 2017, 03:56:06 PM
Leading scorers for Emory today--

Adam Gigax 21 pts 5 rebounds
Whit Rapp 12 pts 3 rebounds 5 assists
Beau Bommarito 12 pts 8 rebounds

Gebereal Baitley had 4 assists for Emory.

Christopher Avant led Emory in the steals dept with 2 for the game.

Also, Emory freshman Matt Davet made 3-5 from the free throw line in 9 min of action.  Davet had 7 rebounds, but did not hit a 3 pointer today.


For Illinois Wesleyan--

Brady Rose 17 pts
Jaylen Beasley 10 pts, 8 rebounds, 2 steals.

Colin Bennett had 5 assists.

A nice win without Williams.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 31, 2017, 02:39:37 PM
Just watched, on-line, Brandeis pick up their third win of the season, 76-73, over Bates at Alumni Gym in Lewiston, Maine.  Collin Sawyer hit a 3 pointer at the buzzer to win it for Deis.  Exciting ball game.

Update-- As of 4 PM Eastern, footage of the buzzer beater now available on YouTube on the Brandeis Judges channel.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 31, 2017, 03:02:38 PM
Leading scorers for Brandeis today:

Lawrence Sabir, 18 pts, 7-9, 1-1 from 3 pt range, 3-3 FT, 8 rebounds, 5 assists

Chandler Jones, 18 pts, 6-10, 1-3 from 3 pt range, 5-6 FT, 4 rebounds, 3 assists

Collin Sawyer, 12 pts, 4-7, 4-6 from 3 pt land, 4th 3 ptr was the game-winner.

Leading rebounder:  Latye Workman, 9 rebounds

Corey Sherman, 2 steals

Samih Say, 2 blocks.

For Bates:

Leading scorers

Tom Coyne,  24 pts, 10-20, 3-9 from 3 pt land, 1-1 FT, 4 assists

Jeff Spellman, 17 pts, 8-16, 1-1 FT

Max Hummel, 13 pts, 5-7, 3-3 FT

Nick Lynch had 8 rebounds and 2 blocks to lead Bates in those categories.

Nick Gilpin, 2 steals.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 31, 2017, 10:09:19 PM
After Wash U's win today over Westminster of the SLIAC there have been a couple of posts on the SLIAC board talking about the Bears' freshman Jack Nolan and his three point shooting so far. I must say, having seen him today, that he is good -- reminds me of Aaron Thompson in that regard. They don't shoot exactly alike, but both have a very natural way of making it look easy. I think Thompson cooled off a bit his senior year, but wonder where he stands in the Wash U record books for three pointers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 01, 2018, 01:11:27 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on December 31, 2017, 10:09:19 PM
After Wash U's win today over Westminster of the SLIAC there have been a couple of posts on the SLIAC board talking about the Bears' freshman Jack Nolan and his three point shooting so far. I must say, having seen him today, that he is good -- reminds me of Aaron Thompson in that regard. They don't shoot exactly alike, but both have a very natural way of making it look easy. I think Thompson cooled off a bit his senior year, but wonder where he stands in the Wash U record books for three pointers.

Aaron Thompson is #2 all time in the Wash U record books on three pointers with 289 made over his career at Wash U.

Gene Nolan, the uncle of current Wash U player Jack Nolan, is #1 all time at Wash U in career 3 pointers with 296 made over his career at Wash U from 1992 to 1996.

#10 on that list is Sean Wallis with 150 career 3 pointers made.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 01, 2018, 09:30:37 AM
^^^Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 01, 2018, 11:39:20 AM
UAA Rookie update

Games through Sunday, Dec. 31, 2017

Scoring

1.)  Romin Williams, Emory, 17.7 ppg, 27.9 points per 40 min.
2.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis, 14.0 ppg, 19.0 points per 40 min.
3.). Jack Nolan, Wash U, 11.2 ppg, 21.5 points per 40 min
4.). Ignas Masiulionis, Case, 10.7 ppg, 19.5 points per 40 min
5.). Antonio Ionadi, Case, 9.4 ppg, 15.9 points per 40 min
6.). Matt Davet, Emory, 7.4 ppg, 24.5 points per 40 min.

Rebounding

1.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis, 4.4 RPG, 40 rebounds for season.
2.)  Chandler Jones, Brandeis, 4.0 RPG, 36 rebounds for season
3.). Matt Davet, Emory, 3.8 RPG, 38 rebounds for season
4.). Romin Williams, Emory, 3.7 RPG, 33 rebounds for season
5.). Bobby Hawkinson, NYU, 3.3 RPG, 30 rebounds for season
6.). Ignas Masiulionis, Case, 3.1 RPG, 31 rebounds for season

Assists

1.) Romin Williams, Emory, 4.0 APG, 36 assists on season
1.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis, 4.0 APG, 36 assists on season
3.)  Zach Watson, Carnegie Mellon, 2.4 APG, 22 assists on season
4.) Antonio Ionadi, Case, 2.2 APG, 22 assists on season
5.). Ignas Masiulionis, Case, 1.4 APG, 14 assists on season
5.). Nick Stuck, Emory, 1.4 APG, 14 assists on season

Steals

1.). Romin Williams, Emory, 1.6 SPG, 14 steals this season
2.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis, 1.4 SPG, 13 steals this season
3.). Jack Nolan, Wash U, 0.9 SPG, 10 steals this season
4.). Zach Watson, Carnegie Mellon, 0.9 SPG, 8 steals this season
5.)  Ignas Masiulionis, Case, 0.8 SPG, 8 steals this season
6.). Antonio Ionadi, Case, 0.7 SPG, 7 steals this season

Happy New Year 2018!

Next update Sunday, January 7, 2018-- will include conference play with overall stats.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Riley056 on January 01, 2018, 07:10:07 PM
Why has Rapp only played in 4 games for Emory?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 01, 2018, 11:32:40 PM
Quote from: Riley056 on January 01, 2018, 07:10:07 PM
Why has Rapp only played in 4 games for Emory?

Whit Rapp was injured between the Piedmont and Guilford games and did not play while he was recovering from that injury.  As to the extent of the injury or where, I cannot confirm those details, as Emory did not disclose those details, but that was the reason.

He returned to action on December 16 vs Guilford in the starting lineup, and is healthy now.

Since coming back from injury, Whit Rapp had an 8 assist/1 turnover game vs Guilford, a 5 assist/2 turnover game vs Illinois Wesleyan, and a 7 assist/4 turnover game vs Transylvania.  Emory plays Oglethorpe tonight before UAA play starts on Saturday.

I am not worried about Rapp missing 6 non-conference games.  Rapp still averages 7.3 assists a game and has a 3.2 assist/turnover ratio going into tonight's Oglethorpe game, and is 5 games away from the 60% appearance game requirement needed to be officially listed among the overall stat leaders in the UAA in those categories.  As for conference play, he can be listed in those categories in league play right away after Saturday's UAA opener vs Rochester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 04, 2018, 02:13:25 AM
Due to today's potential blizzard, the NYU men have cancelled tonight's 5 PM non-conference game with Wheelock.

Update-- The Sportsplex at Hunter College is closed Thursday due to the storm-- the primary reason for the cancellation of the NYU/Wheelock men's game.

NYU and Brandeis both have 1 non-conference game remaining on January 8. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 04, 2018, 04:21:22 AM
UAA Rookie update

Special Edition-- Games through Jan. 3-- Going into UAA play

Scoring

1.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 17.7 ppg, 28.1 points per 40 min.
2.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 13.1 ppg, 18.1 points per 40.
3.). Jack Nolan, Wash U-- 11.2 ppg, 21.5 points per 40.
4.)  Ignas Masiulionis, Case-- 10.7 ppg, 19.5 points per 40.
5.). Antonio Ionadi, Case-- 9.1 ppg, 15.2 points per 40.
6.). Matt Davet, Emory-- 8.2 ppg, 26.9 points per 40.

Rebounding

1.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 4.6 RPG
2.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 4.3 RPG
3.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 3.6 RPG
3.). Matt Davet, Emory-- 3.6 RPG
5.). Ignas Masiulionis, Case-- 3.3 RPG
5.). Bobby Hawkinson, NYU-- 3.3 RPG

Assists

1.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 4.4 APG
2.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 3.8 APG
3.). Zach Watson, Carnegie Mellon-- 2.5 APG
4.). Antonio Ionadi, Case-- 2.2 APG
5.). Nick Stuck, Emory-- 1.4 APG
6.). Ignas Masiulionis, Case-- 1.3 APG

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 04, 2018, 04:29:10 AM
KnightSlappy's unofficial SOS calculations of UAA men's teams

As of Jan. 2, 2018

1.). Carnegie Mellon-- .594
2.). Rochester-- .567
3.). Wash U-- .562
4.). Brandeis-- .540
5.). Chicago-- .533
6.). Emory-- .529
7.). Case-- .528
8.). NYU-- .372

As of Jan. 4, 2018--

1.). Carnegie Mellon-- .594
2.). Wash U-- .572
3.). Rochester-- .568
4.). Case-- .542
5.). Chicago-- .540
6.). Brandeis-- .538
7.). Emory-- .537
8.). NYU-- .396

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 04, 2018, 07:57:11 AM
Just to catch you up, here is the UAA men's basketball coaches preseason poll for predicted order of finish for the 2017-18 season:

1.). Wash U-- 7 first place votes
2.). Emory-- 1 first place vote
3.). Chicago
4.). Rochester
5.). NYU
6.). CWRU (Case)
7.). Carnegie Mellon
8.). Brandeis
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 06, 2018, 10:59:39 AM
In case you are wondering, I saw Bucknell women's basketball coach Aaron Roussell's Facebook post with me at Case Gym at Boston University this morning.😉. I was at the Bucknell/BU women's game earlier this week.  I also saw Babson men's basketball player Brandon Johnson and a few of his teammates at the game as well.

On to UAA play!

Action starts at noon Eastern with Rochester at Emory.

Brandeis takes on NYU at 3 PM Eastern with 4 PM Eastern tips for Chicago at Wash U, and Carnegie Mellon at CWRU (Case).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 06, 2018, 04:56:13 PM
Emory beat Rochester earlier today by an 18 pt margin.

I just saw, on-line, Ross Udine become the first NYU men's basketball player to get 500 career assists.  Assist 500 came in the final minute of an NYU 90-82 victory over Brandeis.

Chicago up 11 over Wash U at the break.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 06, 2018, 05:43:23 PM
Wash U 79
Chicago 78
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 06, 2018, 05:47:29 PM
Chicago used a 14-0 run early in the first half to dominate the scoreboard most of the game, building a lead that was as high as 14 early in the second half. But it was inevitable that Wash U, a significantly better team than the Maroons, would make a run to whittle that down. The Bears did so at about the twelve-minute mark, bringing the Chicago lead down to two, but the Maroons bucked up and built the lead back out to 11. The Bears came back again down the stretch, and this time drew even by coming up with some very big stops at the rim in the last couple of minutes, while, at the other end of the floor, Jake Knupp rebounded a Wash U miss and was fouled with six seconds to go and the Bears down by one. He made both FTs, Chicago was unable to get a good look at the basket in its final shot, and the Bears eluded what would've been a pretty serious upset on their home floor.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 06, 2018, 05:53:09 PM
In the game in Cleveland, Case defeated Carnegie Mellon, 94-63.

Wash U, Emory, NYU, and Case Western Reserve are in a four way tie for first place in the UAA going into next weekend with all 4 home teams prevailing today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue_jays on January 06, 2018, 05:55:09 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 06, 2018, 05:47:29 PM
Chicago used a 14-0 run early in the first half to dominate the scoreboard most of the game, building a lead that was as high as 14 early in the second half. But it was inevitable that Wash U, a significantly better team than the Maroons, would make a run to whittle that down. The Bears did so at about the twelve-minute mark, bringing the Chicago lead down to two, but the Maroons bucked up and built the lead back out to 11. The Bears came back again down the stretch, and this time drew even by coming up with some very big stops at the rim in the last couple of minutes, while, at the other end of the floor, Jake Knupp rebounded a Wash U miss and was fouled with six seconds to go and the Bears down by one. He made both FTs, Chicago was unable to get a good look at the basket in its final shot, and the Bears eluded what would've been a pretty serious upset on their home floor.

WashU didn't look like a #10-ranked team today, and Chicago showed much better form than they had in December. The UAA is way down this year, so we'll see who the challengers will be.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 07, 2018, 05:03:23 PM
Week 1-- Best individual performances

Overall

Top scorer

Jimmy Martinelli, NYU-- 18 pts, 6-11, 4-5, 2-2 FT.

Top rebounder

Dom Cristiano, NYU-- 15 rebounds, 2 offensive, 13 defensive.

Top assist maker

Jordan Baum, Chicago-- 8 assists

Best in steals--

Whit Rapp, Emory-- 6 steals

Best in A/TO ratio-- tie.

Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 5 assists, 1 turnover

Jule Brown, NYU-- 5 assists, 1 turnover

Blocked shots

Latye Workman, Brandeis, 3 blocks.



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 07, 2018, 05:09:00 PM
Best individual performances in the Rookie category-- Week 1

Scoring

Antonio Ionadi, Case-- 15 pts-- 5-8, 3-5 from 3 pt land, 2-2 FT.

Romin Williams, Emory-- 15 pts, 4-9, 1-5 from 3 pt land, 6-6 FT.

Rebounding

Akim Sanni, Brandeis-- 7 rebounds, 5 offensive, 2 defensive.

Assists

Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 5 assists, 1 turnover (Best A/TO ratio among rookies in Week 1).

Steals

Matt Davet, Emory, 2 steals
Chandler Jones, Brandeis, 2 steals

4 with 1 blocked shot

Akim Sanni, Brandeis
Ignas Masiulionis, Case
Jack Nolan, Wash U
Steph Peters-Smith, Rochester
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 07, 2018, 05:49:06 PM
UAA Rookie Update

End of Week 1

Scoring

1.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 17.5 ppg, 28.0 points per 40.
2.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 12.2 ppg, 17.0 points per 40.
3.). Jack Nolan, Wash U-- 11.6 ppg, 21.8 points per 40.
4.). Ignas Masiulionis, Case-- 10.7 ppg, 19.1 points per 40.
5.). Antonio Ionadi, Case-- 9.6 ppg, 16.1 points per 40.

Rebounding

1.) Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 4.5 RPG
1.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 4.5 RPG
3.). Akim Sanni, Brandeis-- 3.7 RPG
4.). Matt Davet, Emory-- 3.6 RPG
5.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 3.5 RPG
5.). Ignas Masiulionis, Case-- 3.5 RPG

Assists

1.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 4.5 APG
2.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 3.6 APG
3.). Zach Watson, Carnegie Mellon-- 2.3 APG
4.). Antonio Ionadi, Case-- 2.2 APG
5.). Ignas Masiulionis, Case-- 1.3 APG
5.). Nick Stuck, Emory-- 1.3 APG

Steals

1.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 1.5 SPG
2.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 1.3 SPG

No rookie with an average of 1 block or more per game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 07, 2018, 09:54:23 PM
"WashU didn't look like a #10-ranked team today, and Chicago showed much better form than they had in December. The UAA is way down this year, so we'll see who the challengers will be."

Must be a malady that is contagious like the flu...the #2, 3, 4, 6, and 7 teams likewise didn't look like their rankings this weekend.

True, Chicago did show much better form than it had in December.  Playing in UAA openers often elevate a team's performance, especially when the non-conference disappointments can be wiped off the whiteboard in favor of the new conference season.  The Maroons in the 1st half did shoot the 3 much better than their season average of 34% (6-14, 43%).  But, the Bears deserve some credit for playing very good defense in the 2nd half, limiting Chicago to 33% overall shooting, and 29% (5-17) from the arc. 

Wash-U also matched its +6.7 rebound margin average with a +7 vs. Chicago; and in a game with both teams protecting the ball well (Wash-U 6 turnovers, Chicago 9), the Bears enjoyed a 16-7 advantage in points from turnovers--getting an outstanding 1.78 points per opponent turnover. 

I guess it depends on whether one looks at that Saturday afternoon glass half-full or half-empty. 

The half-empty proponents would point to the difficulty that Wash-U had in dispatching a 4-7 opponent at home as being a lackluster performance.  And, on the surface, that is a tempting stance to take. 

Those who look at that glass half-full would point to the aforementioned numbers...and also acknowledge that Wash-U did a pretty good job in the 2nd half of defeating (a) a conference archrival inspired to start the UAA season much better than how its non-conference season ended, and (b) a conference opponent that knows Wash-U's stuff inside and out, and tried mightily to take that stuff away.

A perfect performance...hardly.  But, given the backdrop of the game--featuring two conference foes that are very familiar with each other--it's not very realistic to expect a 30-point blowout from Wash-U, even at home.   
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on January 08, 2018, 01:21:08 AM
Thanks Jaybird.  I had a similar thought earlier today, but was not in a position to post.

I think the Maroons' record is deceiving given the close losses they have had in the non-con (we will see as conf play progresses).   I also think that a top ten team tends to get everybody's best shot.

While I think there were a few things the Bears could clean up -- like fighting thru ball screens for shooters and coming out more physical from the jump — I think the original comment was a bit harsh. 

With a very deep bench, I think they can pick up the physicality and absorb some additional fouls.  When they run the floor, they can wear teams out.  I like what they have and think they will prove themselves worthy of their ranking.

P.S. — Is it wrong if I hear Bugs Bunny's voice in my head everytime I say the word "Maroons"?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 08, 2018, 11:15:19 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 04, 2018, 04:29:10 AM
KnightSlappy's unofficial SOS calculations of UAA men's teams

As of Jan. 2, 2018

1.). Carnegie Mellon-- .594
2.). Rochester-- .567
3.). Wash U-- .562
4.). Brandeis-- .540
5.). Chicago-- .533
6.). Emory-- .529
7.). Case-- .528
8.). NYU-- .372

As of Jan. 4, 2018--

1.). Carnegie Mellon-- .594
2.). Wash U-- .572
3.). Rochester-- .568
4.). Case-- .542
5.). Chicago-- .540
6.). Brandeis-- .538
7.). Emory-- .537
8.). NYU-- .396

Wow, Emory's SOS is pretty bad. I'm closely watching Emory now that I have 2 of their guys on my Futures Tournament Draft League. I think with a healthy Rapp to go along with ROTY-elect Romin Williams and Gigax, they'll be a tough team to beat. They have two losses, but big wins against IWU and Rochester show they have some talent. I think they have an advantage of being in the South Region as well when it comes time for Regional Rankings. I hope the UAA play boosts their SOS significantly so we can see a top 3 regional ranking in the future.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2018, 12:40:11 PM
KnightSlappy's unofficial SOS calculations of UAA Men's teams

As of January 7, 2018

1.). Carnegie Mellon-- .588
2.). Rochester-- .586
3.). Wash U-- .565
4.). Emory-- .555
5.). Chicago-- .553
6.). Brandeis-- .550
7.). Case-- .532
8.). NYU-- .395

I don't know how bad a .525 SOS will be this year for basketball standards, but it does not get you a Pool C bid in soccer....😉
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2018, 12:51:54 PM
Chicago just tweeted that ICYMI, Jake Fenlon is now #1 in Chicago's 3 pt career list with 207 made 3 pointers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2018, 12:55:00 PM
SOS numbers this time of the year are going to be all over the place. Hard to gauge what they really mean. In the UAA's case, when only one game against UAA opponents is even factored in, you can't get a true sense of the SOS. Emory hasn't played a who's who schedule, but that could improve with the top of the USA South and whatnot. Emory's SOS might look bad now, but I bet it will look pretty nice by the end of the month.

There is a reason we can't get an extra set of regional rankings earlier in the year from the NCAA and why the "once ranked, always ranked" went away. Even the first week's regional rankings have SOS numbers that aren't truly accurate of a team's true SOS. Not when they have 6-8 more games to play. That would be 8-10 (or more) if we had an earlier set of rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2018, 01:02:50 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2018, 12:55:00 PM
SOS numbers this time of the year are going to be all over the place. Hard to gauge what they really mean. In the UAA's case, when only one game against UAA opponents is even factored in, you can't get a true sense of the SOS. Emory hasn't played a who's who schedule, but that could improve with the top of the USA South and whatnot. Emory's SOS might look bad now, but I bet it will look pretty nice by the end of the month.

There is a reason we can't get an extra set of regional rankings earlier in the year from the NCAA and why the "once ranked, always ranked" went away. Even the first week's regional rankings have SOS numbers that aren't truly accurate of a team's true SOS. Not when they have 6-8 more games to play. That would be 8-10 (or more) if we had an earlier set of rankings.

That is why I have not asked for an update of the women's SOS numbers.  I can wait on that until the Hoopsville Marathon is over.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2018, 02:01:08 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 08, 2018, 01:02:50 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2018, 12:55:00 PM
SOS numbers this time of the year are going to be all over the place. Hard to gauge what they really mean. In the UAA's case, when only one game against UAA opponents is even factored in, you can't get a true sense of the SOS. Emory hasn't played a who's who schedule, but that could improve with the top of the USA South and whatnot. Emory's SOS might look bad now, but I bet it will look pretty nice by the end of the month.

There is a reason we can't get an extra set of regional rankings earlier in the year from the NCAA and why the "once ranked, always ranked" went away. Even the first week's regional rankings have SOS numbers that aren't truly accurate of a team's true SOS. Not when they have 6-8 more games to play. That would be 8-10 (or more) if we had an earlier set of rankings.

That is why I have not asked for an update of the women's SOS numbers.  I can wait on that until the Hoopsville Marathon is over.

Just an FYI - the women's numbers are always available. Their SOS math is far simpler then the men's and thus can be constantly calculated. You can find it here: http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/women/2016-17/schedule?tmpl=sos-template

FYI - there could be flaws. I know Pat was auditing the schedules the other night because of some "regional/non-regional" mistakes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2018, 02:33:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2018, 02:01:08 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 08, 2018, 01:02:50 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2018, 12:55:00 PM
SOS numbers this time of the year are going to be all over the place. Hard to gauge what they really mean. In the UAA's case, when only one game against UAA opponents is even factored in, you can't get a true sense of the SOS. Emory hasn't played a who's who schedule, but that could improve with the top of the USA South and whatnot. Emory's SOS might look bad now, but I bet it will look pretty nice by the end of the month.

There is a reason we can't get an extra set of regional rankings earlier in the year from the NCAA and why the "once ranked, always ranked" went away. Even the first week's regional rankings have SOS numbers that aren't truly accurate of a team's true SOS. Not when they have 6-8 more games to play. That would be 8-10 (or more) if we had an earlier set of rankings.

That is why I have not asked for an update of the women's SOS numbers.  I can wait on that until the Hoopsville Marathon is over.

Just an FYI - the women's numbers are always available. Their SOS math is far simpler then the men's and thus can be constantly calculated. You can find it here: http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/women/2016-17/schedule?tmpl=sos-template

FYI - there could be flaws. I know Pat was auditing the schedules the other night because of some "regional/non-regional" mistakes.

Thanks for providing the link.  The first women's SOS numbers from the 2017-18 season have not yet been calculated-- we still have the final numbers from 2016-17, and that is what I meant to say when I said that I have not asked for an update for the new season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2018, 02:55:53 PM
UAA Men's Basketball Player of the Week for Week 1 of UAA play is TJ Duckett of Case Western Reserve University.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2018, 05:07:40 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 08, 2018, 02:33:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2018, 02:01:08 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 08, 2018, 01:02:50 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2018, 12:55:00 PM
SOS numbers this time of the year are going to be all over the place. Hard to gauge what they really mean. In the UAA's case, when only one game against UAA opponents is even factored in, you can't get a true sense of the SOS. Emory hasn't played a who's who schedule, but that could improve with the top of the USA South and whatnot. Emory's SOS might look bad now, but I bet it will look pretty nice by the end of the month.

There is a reason we can't get an extra set of regional rankings earlier in the year from the NCAA and why the "once ranked, always ranked" went away. Even the first week's regional rankings have SOS numbers that aren't truly accurate of a team's true SOS. Not when they have 6-8 more games to play. That would be 8-10 (or more) if we had an earlier set of rankings.

That is why I have not asked for an update of the women's SOS numbers.  I can wait on that until the Hoopsville Marathon is over.

Just an FYI - the women's numbers are always available. Their SOS math is far simpler then the men's and thus can be constantly calculated. You can find it here: http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/women/2016-17/schedule?tmpl=sos-template

FYI - there could be flaws. I know Pat was auditing the schedules the other night because of some "regional/non-regional" mistakes.

Thanks for providing the link.  The first women's SOS numbers from the 2017-18 season have not yet been calculated-- we still have the final numbers from 2016-17, and that is what I meant to say when I said that I have not asked for an update for the new season.

Oh duh - that is a 16-17 link... I'll work on that behind the scenes. Sorry about that. Wasn't even looking at the address.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2018, 05:51:50 PM
Just change the numbers in the URL. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on January 08, 2018, 06:05:34 PM
Check out the feature story from KSDK Channel 5 on the 10th-ranked WashU Bears!
http://www.ksdk.com/article/sports/college/balance-allowing-no-10-washu-to-thrive/63-505632389?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5a52c3c14b7385000713e970&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on January 08, 2018, 07:09:06 PM
Come for the WashU Bears, and stay for the St. Louis College of Pharmacy Eutectics! http://www.ksdk.com/article/sports/college/meet-the-stl-college-basketball-team-that-cant-win-and-its-okay/63-506058714 (http://www.ksdk.com/article/sports/college/meet-the-stl-college-basketball-team-that-cant-win-and-its-okay/63-506058714)

In all seriousness, good story on the Bears. Love seeing d3 teams get some media!

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2018, 09:06:01 PM
Due to a water main break near the Hunter campus, spectators were not allowed inside the Sportsplex tonight.  NYU played John Jay tonight inside an empty gym, with no pep band, fans, or cheerleaders, as Hunter did not completely close the building.   Live video and stats were webcasted, and the PA announcer still called the game as though there was an audience inside the building.

NYU defeated John Jay, 79-68, while Amherst defeated Brandeis, 102-82, at Auerbach Arena in Waltham, MA.

UAA has now finished non-conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Riley056 on January 09, 2018, 09:56:05 AM
First weekend of 2 games for UAA play

How bad does Chicago need 2 wins?
Wash U and Emory could see 3-0 by Sunday afternoon?

Anyone with an upset pick?

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 09, 2018, 01:19:24 PM
Quote from: Riley056 on January 09, 2018, 09:56:05 AM
First weekend of 2 games for UAA play

How bad does Chicago need 2 wins?
Wash U and Emory could see 3-0 by Sunday afternoon?

Anyone with an upset pick?

I will take a stab with Case Western Reserve going 1-1 on the road.  They took Emory to overtime in Atlanta last year, and then pulled off the upset at Rochester that allowed Wash U to win the AQ outright at Brandeis.  CWRU beat Carnegie Mellon handily last Saturday. 

Chicago went 2-0 on this slate (NYU and Brandeis) last year at Ratner, as did Wash U on this same slate at the Field House.  Brandeis is a younger team this year-- NYU may have a better chance to win at Chicago or Wash U, but not enough for me to take a flyer on them, IMO.

Anything can happen on any given day in the UAA.

I don't see Chicago going to NCAAs this year, however.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on January 09, 2018, 04:04:35 PM
Mark Edwards discusses the comeback win over Chicago, and talks about recent successes by Jack Nolan, David Schmelter and Andrew Sanders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cX5uM63I6Y&t=3s
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2018, 05:39:40 AM
In his most recent Around the Region column, Brian Lester talks about Emory's season so far:

Emory embraces pressure  (http://d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2017-18/emory-embraces-pressure)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 12, 2018, 08:36:39 AM
In the most recent Around the Nation column, Jule Brown talks about his transfer from Dickinson to NYU:

ATN: On the move to find their groove (http://d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2017-18/transfers-find-groove)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 12, 2018, 03:03:30 PM
A moment to celebrate greatness:

UAA Announces 30th Anniversary Men's Basketball Team. (http://www.uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/MBasketball_30th_Anniv.PDF)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 12, 2018, 09:46:18 PM
Exciting final minute of an Emory 82-77 win over Carnegie Mellon that I watched on-line.... 

Rochester had a comfortable lead over Case.

Back to the Midwest....

Update--

Rochester 90, Case 71

Halftime--

Chicago 43, NYU 24
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 12, 2018, 10:21:58 PM
Congrats to jaybird44 who was recognized tonight for his 500th Wash U broadcast. Question: Was that basketball only or all sports?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 12, 2018, 11:05:38 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 12, 2018, 10:21:58 PM
Congrats to jaybird44 who was recognized tonight for his 500th Wash U broadcast. Question: Was that basketball only or all sports?

I believe that it is for all Wash U sports.  Jaybird44 does a lot for the Wash U Sports Network.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 12, 2018, 11:09:49 PM
Finals from the Midwest--

Chicago 80, NYU 70.  A bit of a fracas in the second half, but the players involved made up afterwards.

Wash U 84, Brandeis 56.

Home teams went 4-0 on the men's side, and 3-1 on the women's side for Matchday 2 in the UAA.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2018, 04:28:10 AM
 All of the home teams won on Friday, with Carnegie Mellon coming the closest to pulling off a road victory.

Matchday 3-- our first Sunday of UAA play.  Sunday play in this league historically determines the outcome of UAA title races every season.  Let's see how this season will shape up.

We enter Sunday play with Wash U and Emory co-leading the UAA race at 2-0 in league play.  Brandeis and Carnegie Mellon are 0-2, while the other 4 teams have a win in UAA play.

Noon Eastern

1.). Carnegie Mellon at Rochester
2.). Case Western Reserve at Emory
3.). Brandeis at Chicago (11 AM Central tip)

1 PM Eastern

NYU at Wash U (Noon Central tip)

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2018, 12:46:19 PM
Home teams leading at halftime in the early games:

Chicago 39, Brandeis 34
Emory 43, Case 25
Rochester 35, Carnegie Mellon 20

I watched the first half of Brandeis at Chicago and the final minute of the first half of the Emory game.

Looks like my flyer on Case will not pan out this weekend...

Wash U v NYU at the top of the hour.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2018, 01:11:12 PM
Forgot to post this earlier, but Collin Barthel of Chicago is not playing today due to a reason officially not disclosed by the Chicago webcasting commentators.  Hopefully it is just illness or an injury minor enough to not keep him from playing next weekend.

Ryan Jacobsen of Chicago also not playing today for undisclosed reasons.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2018, 01:31:31 PM
Chicago on its way to sweeping the weekend as Latye Workman of Brandeis fouled out on an offensive charge with 3:44 left in regulation.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2018, 01:43:34 PM
Riley056's wish was granted with Chicago picking up 2 wins and staying 1 game behind of the leaders in the UAA race.  Emory now 3-0 in the UAA with Wash U just a half away from joining them...

Finals

Chicago 77, Brandeis 67
Emory 93, Case 57
Rochester 68, Carnegie Mellon 56

Halftime

Wash U 61, NYU 47
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2018, 02:22:02 PM
Wash U 10 min away from 3-0 in the UAA as they lead NYU, 88-60

It looks like home teams will sweep the weekend on the men's side.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2018, 02:40:49 PM
Final

Wash U 113, NYU 75

Wash U and Emory co-lead the UAA at 3-0 after 2 weeks of play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2018, 08:59:57 AM
KnightSlappy's unofficial SOS calculations of UAA Men's teams

As of January 14, 2018

1.). Carnegie Mellon-- .612
2.). Rochester-- .593
3.). Brandeis-- .562
4.). Wash U-- .557
5.). Emory-- .547
5.). Chicago-- .547
7.). Case-- .537
8.). NYU-- .399

Update-- January 16, 2018

1.). Carnegie Mellon-- .620, NCSOS is .608
2.). Rochester-- .585, NCSOS is .579
3.). Wash U-- .557, NCSOS is .570
4.). Case-- .554, NCSOS is .522
5.). Brandeis-- .552, NCSOS is .544
6.). Emory-- .551, NCSOS is .544
7.). Chicago-- .541, NCSOS is .524
8.). NYU-- .437, NCSOS is .397

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2018, 09:22:14 AM
UAA Rookie update

January 15, 2018

Overall

Scoring

1.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 16.3 PPG, 27.2 points per 40.
2.). Jack Nolan, Wash U-- 11.9 PPG, 23.0 points per 40.
3.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 11.1 PPG, 15.8 points per 40.
4.). Ignas Masiulionis, Case-- 9.6 PPG, 17.4 points per 40.
5.). Antonio Ionadi, Case-- 8.9 PPG, 15.2 points per 40.

Rebounding

1.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 4.8 RPG
2.). Bobby Hawkinson, NYU-- 4.1 RPG
3.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 3.9 RPG
4.). Matt Davet, Emory-- 3.6 RPG
5.). Ignas Masiulionis, Case-- 3.4 RPG
       Antonio Ionadi, Case-- 3.4 RPG

Assists

1.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 4.4 APG
2.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 3.2 APG
3.). Zach Watson, Carnegie Mellon-- 2.2 APG
4.). Antonio Ionadi, Case-- 1.9 APG
5.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 1.7 APG

Steals

1.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 1.4 SPG
2.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 1.2 SPG
3.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 1.1 SPG

Blocks

No rookie with 1 or more blocks per game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Riley056 on January 15, 2018, 10:29:43 AM
Current UAA Massey Power Rankings

Wash U - 22
Emory - 46
Rochester - 57
Chicago - 156
CWRU - 161
CMU - 244
NYU - 291
Brandeis - 296
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2018, 12:33:23 PM
Through 3 UAA games, the men's race is playing to form.

Wash U and Emory tied for first (picked by coaches to finish first and second).

Rochester and Chicago 1 game back (Chicago picked to finish 3rd, Rochester 4th)

NYU and Case 2 games back (NYU picked to finish 5th, Case in 6th)

Carnegie Mellon and Brandeis at bottom of standings.  (Carnegie Mellon picked to finish 7th, Brandeis picked in last place.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2018, 02:37:52 PM
Carnegie Mellon coach Tony Wingen is on Hoopsville this afternoon.-- scheduled for approx 3:05 PM Eastern, after coach Mia Smith of the Illinois Wesleyan women.  Wingen is on the NABC Coach's Corner segment for this Week.  He will give some thoughts on the UAA Men's race.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 15, 2018, 07:58:02 PM
I like Emory right now. I have Gigax and Rapp on my Future's Tourney Draft League roster and with Rapp back, Emory looks pretty good right now. Another reason I like them making and doing well in the tourney is because they are in the somewhat traditionally weak South Region when it comes to regional rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2018, 04:33:47 AM
Starting this week, I will use the official title that the UAA bestows on their best players of the week.

This week's UAA Men's Basketball Athlete of the Week for games played through Jan. 14 is Adam Gigax of Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2018, 08:00:19 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 15, 2018, 07:58:02 PM
I like Emory right now. I have Gigax and Rapp on my Future's Tourney Draft League roster and with Rapp back, Emory looks pretty good right now. Another reason I like them making and doing well in the tourney is because they are in the somewhat traditionally weak South Region when it comes to regional rankings.

Emory has a win over Rochester (reg ranked by NCAA last season, and a good shot to be regionally ranked by NCAA this season), and while Guilford may not crack regional rankings in the South this year (Guilford is currently 7-8 overall), Illinois Wesleyan is doing well enough so far to potentially be regionally ranked in the Central this year.  If that is the case, then Emory may have at least 2 wins vs regionally ranked opponents on Feb. 21. 

It looks like Emory is seeming more secure in the Pool C chances this year at this time then last year when the Eagles had to play their way in with a home win vs Rochester on Senior Day.  This year, Emory already has a win vs Rochester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 18, 2018, 07:39:14 AM
Quick summary of the road teams performance on their particular weekend road slate over the past 4 years:

1.). Wash U has the most success of the teams playing on the road on this weekend's slate.  The Bears are 7-1 over the past 4 years at Case and CMU.

Wash U swept this weekend in 2013-14, 2015-16, and 2016-17.  The Bears have a 10 game UAA road winning streak going into this weekend.

2.). Chicago is 5-3 at Carnegie Mellon and Case over the past 4 seasons.

Chicago swept the weekend in 2015-16, but has split the series the other 3 times.

3.). Rochester is 5-3 at Brandeis and NYU over the past 4 seasons.

Rochester swept the weekend last season and in 2014-15.  They split the weekend in 2015-16, and went 0-2 in 2013-14.

4.). Emory is 4-4 at NYU and Brandeis over the past 4 seasons.

The Eagles went 0-2 on this weekend last season, and last went 2-0 on this weekend in 2013-14.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 18, 2018, 09:48:58 AM
Good work deiscanton!

This weekend worries me then. I thought hey we're good last year and they went 0-2!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 18, 2018, 12:02:01 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 18, 2018, 09:48:58 AM
Good work deiscanton!

This weekend worries me then. I thought hey we're good last year and they went 0-2!

I would advise neutral UAA fans to watch the Emory at NYU game as their top choice on Friday to see where things stand.  I will be at my alma mater to watch the Rochester doubleheader.  When Brandeis is at home for UAA action, I prefer to watch the UAA games in person.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 19, 2018, 10:52:24 PM
We had a rare occasion in the UAA this evening as all of the road teams swept the Friday night doubleheaders on the women's and men's sides.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2018, 06:15:55 AM
I will be at Auerbach Arena today to see Whit Rapp, Adam Gigax, Romin Williams, and the rest of the Emory Eagles take on a young Brandeis squad.  Anything can happen in the UAA, but most neutral fans are looking for Emory to complete the weekend sweep to set up the next 2 weekends, when Emory will take on Chicago and Wash U.

Update:  Setting the Friday/Sunday order for Emory for the next 2 weekends.  Emory is home next weekend and away the following weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on January 21, 2018, 12:34:53 PM
Halftime — WashU up 50-37 at Carnegie.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2018, 12:54:29 PM
Listening to JC DeLass while we are at halftime in Waltham-- NYU coach Joe Nesci is home with an illness today, so Taylor Roth is coaching the Violets today from the bench.


At halftime, Emory led 49-31 at Brandeis.

At halftime, Chicago led 41-35 at Case.  That game is the closest of the 3 right now.

Rochester/NYU about to tip...  NYU men had their alumni game this morning.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on January 21, 2018, 01:26:14 PM
104-70 WashU over Carnegie Mellon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2018, 01:30:05 PM
No road sweep today!

Case 78, Chicago 73 Final

Emory headed to victory over Brandeis.  I am preparing to watch the women's contest in Waltham.

Nice to chat with some of the MIT men's basketball team, who came for the first half of the Brandeis men's game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2018, 02:45:32 PM
Final scores--

Emory 90, Brandeis 57
Rochester 87, NYU 82

Road teams go 3-1 on men's side today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2018, 06:06:58 PM
After 5 games--

Emory and Wash U co-lead the UAA at 5-0

Rochester in third at 4-1

Chicago in fourth at 3-2

Case in fifth at 2-3

NYU in sixth at 1-4

Brandeis and Carnegie Mellon at 0-5 and need to win out to finish above .500

It looks like any hopes for Carnegie Mellon men to be eligible for ECACs is over, as the Tartans are now 4-12 overall.

NYU needs 4 more wins to finish at least .500 and become eligible for ECAC selection.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 22, 2018, 08:55:11 AM
KnightSlappy's unofficial SOS calculations of UAA Men's teams listed by order in conf standings--

As of Sunday midday

1.). Emory-- .552, NCSOS of .548
2.). Wash U-- .551, NCSOS of .566
3.). Rochester-- .564, NCSOS of .576
4.). Chicago-- .531, NCSOS of .528
5.). Case-- .563, NCSOS of .522
6.). NYU-- .459, NCSOS of .404
7.). Carnegie Mellon-- .604, NCSOS of .598
8.). Brandeis-- .556, NCSOS of .540
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 22, 2018, 10:03:33 AM
UAA Rookie update

Monday January 22, 2018

Overall

Scoring

1.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 15.4 ppg, 26.9 points per 40.
2.). Jack Nolan, Wash U-- 12.4 ppg, 24.2 points per 40.
3.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 10.4 ppg, 15.4 points per 40.
4.). Ignas Masiulionis, Case-- 10.2 ppg, 18.3 points per 40.
5.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 8.8 ppg, 13.2 points per 40.

Rebounding

1.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 4.6 RPG
2.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 3.8 RPG
3.). Bobby Hawkinson, NYU-- 3.6 RPG
4.). Matt Davet, Emory-- 3.5 RPG
5.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 3.1 RPG
      Ignas Masiulionis, Case-- 3.1 RPG
      Akim Sanni, Brandeis-- 3.1 RPG

Assists

1.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 4.4 APG
2.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 3.3 APG
3.). Zach Watson, Carnegie Mellon-- 2.1 APG
4.). Antonio Ionadi, Case-- 1.9 APG
5.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 1.6 APG

Steals

1.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 1.3 SPG
2.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 1.3 SPG
3.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 1.1 SPG

No rookie with 1 or more blocked shots per game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 22, 2018, 04:24:31 PM
UAA Men's Basketball Athlete of the Week-- Jan. 22, 2018

Jack Nolan, Wash U
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2018, 05:24:46 AM
Massey ratings-- UAA Men-- January 23, 2018

1.). Wash U-- #14
2.). Emory-- #39
3.). Rochester-- #59
4.). Case-- #149
5.). Chicago-- #155
6.). Carnegie Mellon-- #265
7.). NYU-- #279
8.). Brandeis-- #305
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2018, 12:57:24 PM
D3Hoops.com Top 25-- UAA teams

Wash U-- #2
Emory-- #13
Rochester-- #22

Big 2 weekends for fans of those 3 teams as well as for neutral fans.

We start the 2 back to back weekends in the UAA this weekend.

Wash U plays at Rochester this Friday and hosts Rochester the following Friday.

Wash U plays at Emory this upcoming Sunday, and then hosts Emory the following Sunday.

Once again, I will be at Auerbach Arena this weekend for the Case/Carnegie Mellon pairing.  This upcoming Sunday is Basketball Alumni/Family Day, when I get some goodies as a Brandeis alum, and get invited to a gathering in the Napoli Trophy Room to cheer on the Deis men's and women's teams against Carnegie Mellon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 23, 2018, 01:06:42 PM
Looking forward to seeing results of that Wash U v Emory game and the following weekend as well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2018, 03:40:39 PM
Wash U weekly preview:

No. 2 Wash U Hits the Road to No. 22 Rochester, No. 13 Emory (http://washubears.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180123jnyzrd)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2018, 03:55:15 PM
Emory weekly preview:

No. 13 Emory Men's Basketball Returns Home To Battle Chicago & Wash U (http://emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180123fwa89s)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 24, 2018, 04:13:13 PM
KnightSlappy's unofficial SOS calculations of UAA Men's teams

Order of teams as listed in UAA standings

As of Jan. 23

1.). Wash U-- .539, NCSOS is .567
2.). Emory-- .534, NCSOS is .545
3.). Rochester-- .562, NCSOS is .577
4.). Chicago-- .527, NCSOS is .528
5.). Case-- .562, NCSOS is .529
6.). NYU-- .471, NCSOS is .403
7.). Carnegie Mellon-- .613, NCSOS is .598
8.). Brandeis-- .566, NCSOS is .545

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 26, 2018, 09:54:57 AM
Quick summary of UAA Road team performance the past 4 seasons on these slates of games:

1.). Wash U is 5-3 on the Rochester/Emory trip.  The Bears swept the trip last season and in 2013-14.

2.). Chicago is 2-6 on the Emory/Rochester trip.  The Maroons last won in Rochester in the 2014-15 season, and last won at Emory in the 2013-14 season.

3.). Case is 2-6 on the Brandeis/NYU trip.  Case is 2-2 at Brandeis and 0-4 at NYU over the past 4 seasons.  Case last won at Brandeis in the 2015-16 season-- the Spartans lost both of these road games last season.

4.). Carnegie Mellon is 3-5 on the NYU/Brandeis trip the past 4 seasons.  The Tartans in that span are 2-2 at NYU, and 1-3 at Brandeis.  CMU swept this trip last season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on January 27, 2018, 11:10:56 AM
Big games last night from a couple of freshman in big wins for their teams last night:

Romin Williams, Emory - 31 points, 3 reb, 2 ast, 5-8 from 3
Jack Nolan, WashU - 19 points, 3 ast, 5-8 from 3

Excited to watch the WashU-Emory game tomorrow. Haven't got to catch much of either team year this year... Should be a great one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on January 27, 2018, 12:26:32 PM
Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 27, 2018, 01:41:20 PM
Amid the success that Wash-U is enjoying, I wanted to give David Schmelter a special shout-out for his outstanding performance this season.

Schmelter is averaging 8.9 ppg and 10.1 rpg...and in Wash-U's current 7-game winning streak, David is averaging 11.0 ppg and 11.7 rpg.

He is trying to become the first Wash-U player to average in double-figure rebounds for a season in 48 years.  Steve Dodge was the last to do it for the Bears, in the 1969-70 season...when he posted 20.0 ppg and 10.3 rpg.

Along with his statistical success, Schmelter has also changed the way opponents end up approaching Wash-U's defense.  Very little business is being conducted inside the paint when David is on the floor.  34 of Rochester's 63 shots were taken beyond the arc last night...54%.  NYU took 35 of its 60 shots vs. Wash-U beyond the arc...58%.

Congrats to David for his accomplishments so far this season!  Big men are still of value after all, in contemporary basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on January 27, 2018, 06:05:12 PM
Jaybird,
Could not agree more.  I must admit that at the beginning of the season I thought he was playing a bit soft, but boy has that changed since about the Ohio Northern game.
Schmelter is a major contributor to what the Bears have accomplished so far.
Looking forward to these next three games with great anticipation.  Really like this team's makeup and senior leadership.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2018, 04:30:22 AM
Meanwhile, on Brandeis Alumni/Family Day--

The two teams picked to finish at the bottom of the league standings, Carnegie Mellon and Brandeis, will play at noon Eastern.

Both Brandeis and Carnegie Mellon are 4-13, 0-6 in the UAA.  The loser of today's game will start the second half of league play in last place.

Carnegie Mellon was picked to finish 7th in the UAA in pre-season by the UAA Men's Basketball coaches, while Brandeis was picked to finish in last place.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2018, 04:32:36 AM
Going into today--

NYU needs 3 more wins to finish .500 or better and become eligible for ECAC tournament selection.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2018, 08:21:00 AM
BTW--

If David Schmelter ends the season averaging double figure rebounds, he will be the first Wash U men's basketball player to do so in the modern DIII era.  DIII did not exist in 1969-1970-- the NCAA only had the College division and the University division back then.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 28, 2018, 09:55:51 AM
OK, I said I was retiring from the thread, but I am struggling to contain my d3boards.com addiction and my excitement about the next three games.  I am lame, I admit it.

I'll third what was said about David Schmelter...

The Post Dispatch published a story on Washington University that is worth the read: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/senior-led-washington-u-men-rank-no-in-diii/article_13607faf-aa0c-5d9d-894e-81f633819359.html?mode=comments

In regards to the Washington University win at Rochester, I would say that this was probably the best defensive effort of the season.  Or, possibly second best.  You would have to watch what Rochester does (e.g. pick and rolls, back door cuts) and then see how Washington University thwarted those plays at every turn. 

I would give a lot of credit to Rochester for also playing great defense...

They did a good job on Andrew Sanders, for example, who scored fewer point in the paint than out.  He very rarely takes the jumpshot, but Sanders stepped out and and went 3-4 from mid range if I remember correctly.  There are no stats to back this up, but I would say four jumpshots in one game is a record.

As it happens, Rochester was held to exactly the same score by Emory in Atlanta, but it is noteworthy that Rochester only had 10 three point attempts in that game.  I did not get to see that game though so I am not sure what they did differently.  As mentioned, Rochester had 34 three point attempts on Friday.

I keep thinking this season is unusual in that two weekends half way in will decide the league champion.  But, I keep thinking that NYU, Chicago (and we could probably add Rochester) is an upset waiting to happen.  Carnegie Mellon was a couple of made free throws from an upset over Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 28, 2018, 10:13:13 AM
Re: David Schmelter

THAT GUY'S ON MY FANTASY TEAM!

Anyway, good to see you back, WUH. I knew you couldn't resist!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2018, 10:55:39 AM
I just paid for a monthly subscription to Rochester's video service, so I will make sure to rewatch the Wash U/Rochester game on-demand on Monday.  Don't worry, I can cancel it at any time, although I probably will opt for pay for another month so I can watch the Brandeis women at Rochester later this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 28, 2018, 12:44:51 PM
Is cussing against the terms of service?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: warriorcat on January 28, 2018, 12:46:14 PM
Halftime in Atlanta. Washington university up by 18.  They look fantastic today. As good as anyone I have seen this year.  Emory is good but Wash U was at a different level in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 28, 2018, 12:56:13 PM
Quote from: warriorcat on January 28, 2018, 12:46:14 PM
Halftime in Atlanta. Washington University up by 18.  They look fantastic today. As good as anyone I have seen this year.  Emory is good but Wash U was at a different level in the first half.

I am excited as I am about that score, Coach Zimmerman will have this team ready with adjustment made for the second half. Romin Williams scored 19 in the second half to lead the team in a come from behind win against Chicago.  The Emory team is probably going to win the second half.

Very excited for Matt Highsmith who leads all scorers with 19.  Highsmith is the only senior to play substantial minutes as a freshman.  He had to change his role this season to play more on the wing, but is scoring inside and out today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on January 28, 2018, 01:41:10 PM
WashU over Emory 84-67
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2018, 01:57:48 PM
Brandeis coach Brian Meehan got tossed by the refs in the second half, and the Judges rallied to beat Carnegie Mellon on Alumni Day, 87-79.

Harry McShane coached the Judges for the final 8 minutes of the game.

Brandeis was the only men's team to win at home today.

Update-- I reviewed the play-by-play sheet.  Coach Meehan got tossed by the refs by virtue of being called for a pair of technical fouls with 10 min and 11 seconds left in regulation, and Carnegie Mellon up 54-51 at the time.  Coach Harry McShane coached the Judges for the remainder of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 28, 2018, 02:48:30 PM
I was a little surprised to see Chicago get the 72-65 road win over Rochester, but just a little.  I may pay for this later, but I think the UAA is a two-horse race at this point (acknowledging that I once called it a one-horse race).

That Washington University win over Emory was pretty exciting...

Coach Edwards has mentioned the diversity in the offensive options (more than a few times as he should) and that diversity was on full display this weekend.

A few other random thoughts...

Washington University was +7 on rebounds and +5 on assists.  I would have preferred to see a few less turnovers, but I do feel that the team is taking much better care of the ball in league play.  The team was taking a lot of risks, particularly with the passes to the post, and it generally paid off.  The box score has Washington University outscoring Emory 52-26 in the paint.

As I have said before, I feel pretty certain that Washington University will retain the defensive player of the year honor this season, but everyone played well on the defensive end today.

If anyone thought I complained too much about the officiating, you need to hear the Emory play by play guy.  Geez!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on January 28, 2018, 03:02:21 PM
I watched the Wash U Emory broadcast... at one point in time during a timeout they put up a chart labelled D3hoops top 14.... Whitewater was first, Wash U was 12, all sorts of other silliness that I can'r remember.... What in the world was that???? ;D ;D ;D..

And WUH, silly you missed a month of primetime with Wash U doing so well... smart decision to return.... ;) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2018, 03:11:05 PM
I figured out it was from Week 9 of the poll from two years ago. From what I was told, it wasn't supposed to have aired.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on January 28, 2018, 07:56:07 PM
WashU is a fantastic team on both ends. Every roll is filled on this team. Simply put, a joy to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 29, 2018, 04:43:55 AM
Sorry that I had to miss watching the Wash U/Emory game by virtue of my being in attendance at Brandeis Alumni Day to watch Coach Meehan get tossed out of the game.😅. At least the Brandeis men are not in last place right now.....

I can watch the rematch next Sunday on-line while Brandeis plays at Carnegie Mellon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 29, 2018, 06:00:08 AM
FYI--

Here was last season's field of 12 for the ECAC DIII Men's Basketball Tournament.  Full field is 15 teams.

1.). PAC-- Bethany (WV), Westminster (PA).
2.). AMCC-- Penn State-Altoona, Penn State-Behrend
3.). CUNYAC-- Baruch
4.). NJAC-- Stockton (now reigning ECAC Champion)
5.). Independent-- Pine Manor, SUNY-Canton (Both teams in ACAA this season)
6.). Landmark-- Juniata, Moravian
7.). MAC-Freedom-- DeSales
8.). UAA-- Carnegie Mellon

This season--

Carnegie Mellon is guaranteed to finish under .500 and is not eligible for ECAC selection.

NYU needs to win 3 of the next 7 games to finish at .500 or better and become eligible for the ECAC tournament.

Dave McHugh and I talked about the future of the ECAC in Division III on the UAA Women's Basketball forum.  He knows a lot more about ECAC/Division III relations then I do-- there is a real possibility that the ECAC will cease to exist at the DIII level in the next 5 years, if not sooner, according to him.  He gave a good amount of detail as to why this will be the case.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 29, 2018, 11:43:11 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 29, 2018, 06:00:08 AM
NYU needs to win 3 of the next 7 games to finish at .500 or better and become eligible for the ECAC tournament.

NYU needs to go get Wheelock back on the schedule...

I did not get to see it, but the recap and box score indicate that NYU had two three point attempts in regulation and one in overtime against Case Western Reserve that may have been enough to win it.  This was the first ever 2-0 conference road trip for the Spartans.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 29, 2018, 12:12:41 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 29, 2018, 11:43:11 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 29, 2018, 06:00:08 AM
NYU needs to win 3 of the next 7 games to finish at .500 or better and become eligible for the ECAC tournament.

NYU needs to go get Wheelock back on the schedule...

I did not get to see it, but the recap and box score indicate that NYU had two three point attempts in regulation and one in overtime against Case Western Reserve that may have been enough to win it.  This was the first ever 2-0 conference road trip for the Spartans.



Wasn't there supposed to be an emoticon after the word "schedule"?  😁 lol.

Adding Wheelock back doesn't work.  NYU would have to win 3 more games in addition to the victory over Wheelock for ECAC eligibilty, 2 wins + Wheelock makes NYU finish 1 game under .500

BTW, Ross Udine of NYU was injured during the game vs Case.    The Violets aren't the same without him.  I hope that Udine's injury is not season-ending.

Anyway, waiting till next season to play Wheelock won't work,-- Wheelock merges with Boston University this June, and the athletic dept will dissolve with the merger as Wheelock students will become B.U. Terriers.  Somehow, I don't think that any Wheelock students will get athletic scholarships in the Patriot League.😉
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 29, 2018, 01:23:11 PM
Just got a tweet from Wash U--

Mark Edwards of Wash U named HoopDirt DIII Coach of the week.

Congrats on the honor.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 29, 2018, 01:43:47 PM
KnightSlappy's unofficial SOS calculations of UAA Men's basketball teams

Updated as of Jan. 28, 2018-- in order of standings

1.). Wash U-- .559, NCSOS of .557
2.). Emory-- .540, NCSOS of .543
3.). Rochester-- .562, NCSOS of .573
4.). Case-- .539, NCSOS of .520
5.). Chicago-- .550, NCSOS of .522
6.). NYU-- .470, NCSOS of .403
7.). Brandeis-- .560, NCSOS of .551
8.). Carnegie Mellon-- .585, NCSOS of .599
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 29, 2018, 01:54:53 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 29, 2018, 12:12:41 PM
BTW, Ross Udine of NYU was injured during the game vs Case.  The Violets aren't the same without him.  I hope that Udine's injury is not season-ending.

I did not notice that when I glanced at the box score, but he only played 10 minutes.

If Ross Udine is not healthy and in every game, then NYU may lose out.  The Violets have to go on the road from here on out with the exception of the games against Chicago and Washington University.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 29, 2018, 02:08:39 PM
Breaking news-- courtesy of Wash U.

Congrats to David Schmelter on being named UAA Men's Basketball Athlete of the Week for the week ending Jan. 28.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 29, 2018, 03:31:02 PM
UAA Rookie update

January 29, 2018

Overall

Scoring

1.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 16.2 ppg, 27.8 points per 40.
2.). Jack Nolan, Wash U-- 12.2 ppg, 23.4 points per 40.
3.). Ignas Masiulionis, Case-- 11.2 ppg, 19.7 points per 40.
4.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 10.7 ppg, 15.4 points per 40.
5.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 9.0 ppg, 13.9 points per 40.

Rebounding

1.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 4.8 RPG
2.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 4.2 RPG
3.). Bobby Hawkinson, NYU-- 3.5 RPG
4.). Matt Davet, Emory-- 3.3 RPG
5.). Ignas Masiulionis, Case-- 3.1 RPG

Assists

1.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 4.3 APG
2.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 3.1 APG
3.). Zach Watson, Carnegie Mellon-- 2.1 APG
4.). Antonio Ionadi, Case-- 1.9 APG
5.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 1.6 APG

Steals

1.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 1.4 SPG
2.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 1.3 SPG

No rookie with 1 or more blocks per game.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 29, 2018, 10:31:20 PM
Great to see David Schmelter win the men's UAA POW this week, for the first time in his career!

He is having a ripple effect on the team's play on both ends of the floor...including opponent shooting inside the paint.

Emory shot only 26% inside the arc in the first half (6-23), and 31% total for the game.

13.2 ppg in last 5, and 12.1 rpg in the current 8-game winning streak.  Keep it rolling, big fella!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 30, 2018, 01:07:24 AM
UAA Men in D3Hoops.com Top 25, Week 9

Wash U-- #2
Emory -- #15

Looks like no one decided to give Wash U a #1 vote this Week-- waiting to next Sunday's match with Emory on Edwards-Fahey Court at WU Field House.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 30, 2018, 09:43:53 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 30, 2018, 01:07:24 AM
Looks like no one decided to give Wash U a #1 vote this Week-- waiting to next Sunday's match with Emory on Edwards-Fahey Court at WU Field House.

I have heard references to players reading the board in other threads.  I have long assumed that there was not enough discussion for UAA players to bother.

Rochester and Emory are going to come in the Field House hungry for the win, so in case any Washington University player happens to come here, I'll reiterate the point: you guys got zero No. 1 votes!

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/da67d3a4cc4a1031d7e0b9ddd7422c25/tenor.gif?itemid=5972696)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 30, 2018, 11:12:49 AM
Wash U game preview for Matchdays 8 and 9:

No. 2 Wash U Returns Home to Host Rochester, No. 15 Emory (http://washubears.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180130g1vshs)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on January 30, 2018, 11:27:54 AM
Wash U's performance this weekend can hardly help them... why would anyone change their vote as long as Whitman keeps winning?  My point of view is to hold serve, keep winning, and HOPFULLY, SANELY, (but who knows with our friends at the NCAA) be placed in a bracket the other side from Whitman's placement... sure would be fun to root for a WashU Whitman final...and while we're at it, let's figure out how to get Wittenberg and the NESCAC winner in the final 4 too ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 30, 2018, 11:53:37 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 30, 2018, 11:27:54 AM
Wash U's performance this weekend can hardly help them... why would anyone change their vote as long as Whitman keeps winning?  My point of view is to hold serve, keep winning, and HOPFULLY, SANELY, (but who knows with our friends at the NCAA) be placed in a bracket the other side from Whitman's placement... sure would be fun to root for a WashU Whitman final...and while we're at it, let's figure out how to get Wittenberg and the NESCAC winner in the final 4 too ;D ;D ;D

I know-- but the discussion on Wash U vs Whitman on Top 25 Double Take on the most recent Hoopsville a few days ago between d-mac and Ryan Scott was fun and great to watch. 😁 If you haven't seen it, I suggest that you watch it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 30, 2018, 07:35:58 PM
Wash-U named NABC D-III Team of the Week:

http://washubears.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180130t1xpi0
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 30, 2018, 10:38:36 PM
As much as I enjoy seeing Wash-U get a lot of praise lately, it will need to play an exceptional game Friday night in the rematch with Rochester.  No resting on recent laurels.

Wash-U leads the all-time series 38-25, but the series has been razor close in the last 15 and 30 meetings.

The Bears are 8-7 over Rochester in the last 15 meetings, with 14 points separating the teams to Wash-U's favor.  An average margin of victory of 0.93 points/game.  So, before Wash-U's 77-62 win at Rochester last Friday, only 1 point had separated the teams in the prior 14 meetings (in Rochester's favor)...with a 7-7 split of games.  A near dead-heat differential of 0.07 points per game.

In the last 30 meetings, dating back to the second match-up of the 2002-03 season, WashU has scored 2,163 points to Rochester's 2,133.  30 points separate the teams, an average winning margin of 1 point per game.

Fun in the Fieldhouse Friday night...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 31, 2018, 12:45:24 AM
The brief history of the match-up with Rochester reminds me of that fateful game over nine years ago on a cold Sunday in the Field House when Washington University coughed up a lead they had held for most of the game. 

They made a final push in the final minutes and trailing by one, had an opportunity for the go-ahead three pointer and then two free throws to tie and win the game.  Unfortunately, they missed both...

That 2008-2009 squad would go on to win the league with a 12-1 record.

Probably none of the current players remember that game, but the entire senior class would remember that 2014-2015 game against Chicago.  That team had an 11-0 record and No. 1 ranking behind a 80+ points per game offense when they traveled to Chicago for the first game of the conference season.  They would lose by 20 points having scored a paltry 43 points.

One of my all time favorite games between the two happened last season in Rochester in week two of league play.  Rochester was 12-0 and ranked No. 3 and looked the favorites.  Washington University played to their strengths, played good defense and finally began to prove that they could close out close games. 

Washington University would have the upper hand in the conference standings for round two but that was not enough to prevent the slow start and the 13 point loss.

Rochester will certainly come in to the Field House on Friday having learned the lessons from last week.  No question that this will be a tough, tough game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 31, 2018, 05:30:12 AM
This weekend, Case Western Reserve University (CWRU, a/k/a Case) will be hosting Brandeis and NYU at Adelbert Gymnasium for its 13th Annual Throwback Weekend.

CWRU's men will wear the uniforms of the Western Reserve Red Cats on Friday, and will don the CIT Rough Riders uniforms on Sunday.

More info:

Information on CWRU's 13th Annual Throwback Weekend: February 2-4 (http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180129ei9wsr)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue_jays on January 31, 2018, 03:47:54 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 30, 2018, 09:43:53 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 30, 2018, 01:07:24 AM
Looks like no one decided to give Wash U a #1 vote this Week-- waiting to next Sunday's match with Emory on Edwards-Fahey Court at WU Field House.

I have heard references to players reading the board in other threads.  I have long assumed that there was not enough discussion for UAA players to bother.

Rochester and Emory are going to come in the Field House hungry for the win, so in case any Washington University player happens to come here, I'll reiterate the point: you guys got zero No. 1 votes!

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/da67d3a4cc4a1031d7e0b9ddd7422c25/tenor.gif?itemid=5972696)

Zero #1 votes for WashU is the correct call. Whitman is undefeated with a +26 winning margin while averaging over 100 PPG. WashU got beat handily by Augustana, dropped a head scratcher to Mount St. Joseph, and barely scrapped by a .500 Chicago squad in the final seconds.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 31, 2018, 04:49:41 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on January 31, 2018, 03:47:54 PM
Zero #1 votes for WashU is the correct call. Whitman is undefeated with a +26 winning margin while averaging over 100 PPG. WashU got beat handily by Augustana, dropped a head scratcher to Mount St. Joseph, and barely scrapped by a .500 Chicago squad in the final seconds.

You may have quoted the wrong post as I was not the one to bring up the No. 1 ranking as a point to be discussed.

Keep in mind though that Washington University did lose that Mount St. Josephs game with their leading scorer on the bench and that absence was obvious, especially on the defensive end.  MSJ shot nearly 70% from the field and over 50% from three point range and equaled the points in the paint.  Just my opinion, but that does not happen with the entire starting line-up in the game.

I am sure someone more knowledgeable than me can speak to this, but that MSJ team actually looks pretty good...13-6 on the season and No. 65 in Massey.

I did not find the Chicago result all that surprising.  Chicago is worse this season by record than I expected, but they have played to their potential at times taking both Wheaton and Emory to the wire.  They defeated Rochester.

The Augustana was a tough loss and especially tough after coming off one of the biggest wins this senior class has seen.  Washington University won the second half, but in the first half, one team came out flat and the other team was hitting even the most well contested shots.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on January 31, 2018, 05:32:58 PM
Quote from: Mr. Mo on November 29, 2017, 06:48:54 PM

Playing their fifth game in nine days; coming off of a very physical game with ONU the evening before on an 18 hr turnaround; and adjusting to playing without their preseason AA who rolled an ankle, the Bears were a little out of sorts on Sunday.  Add in a white hot shooting MSJ team (75% from 3 in first half;70% overall for game) and it was tough day for the Bears.

From Nov. 29 post regarding the Mt. St. Joseph game.  That game was also before Jack Nolan started playing significant minutes. 

Augustana game was the first game back from the Christmas break.  WashU had a nine-day break and it showed.  Augie came out sharp early and won the game.  Maybe the extra rest will help the Bears down the stretch ;-).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 31, 2018, 06:13:00 PM
I agree with what you said.

That was quite a physical game with Ohio Northern by the way.  The Polar Bears are 13-7 and ranked No. 23 in Massey. 

Washington University has actually played a good schedule.  There are different metrics with which to measure, but sticking with Massey, they have the SOS at No. 45.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 03, 2018, 12:41:27 AM
Washington University defeats Rochester 77-63 in front of a great student crowd (also a lot of old folks like me) and a host of Bears legends including Troy Ruths, Aaron Thompson and Shawn Wallis who was inducted in to the Hall of Fame.  Congratulations!

Rochester was able to stay in the game for a while thanks in part to their three point shooting, but Washington University held a double digit lead for most of the second half and would eventually stretch the lead to 26 with 6:19 to go.  The final outcome was nearly identical to the score from one week ago. 

Overall, a very nice game from everyone including the big man who had one of his best games finishing with 15 points (7-13), 11 rebounds and zero fouls.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on February 03, 2018, 08:02:35 AM
Quote from: WUH on February 03, 2018, 12:41:27 AM
Washington University defeats Rochester 77-63 in front of a great student crowd (also a lot of old folks like me) and a host of Bears legends including Troy Ruths, Aaron Thompson and Shawn Wallis who was inducted in to the Hall of Fame.  Congratulations!

Rochester was able to stay in the game for a while thanks in part to their three point shooting, but Washington University held a double digit lead for most of the second half and would eventually stretch the lead to 26 with 6:19 to go.  The final outcome was nearly identical to the score from one week ago. 

Overall, a very nice game from everyone including the big man who had one of his best games finishing with 15 points (7-13), 11 rebounds and zero fouls.

Wish I had been in town to see that!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 03, 2018, 08:53:49 AM
Woah, I made a few mistakes in that last post.

Sean Wallis (not Shawn) was admitted in to the hall of fame.

Others were in attendance to support their teammate.

Ruths and Wallis are both in the hall as a team and as individuals, but I am sure others are going to garner consideration over time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on February 03, 2018, 09:00:31 AM
Quote from: WUH on February 03, 2018, 08:53:49 AM
Woah, I made a few mistakes in that last post.

Sean Wallis (not Shawn) was admitted in to the hall of fame.

Others were in attendance to support their teammate.

Ruths and Wallis are both in the hall as a team and as individuals, but I am sure others are going to garner consideration over time.

AGREED... Tyler Nading, Aaron Thompson should both be obvious entrants....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 03, 2018, 09:43:00 AM
Quote from: hopefan on February 03, 2018, 09:00:31 AM
AGREED... Tyler Nading, Aaron Thompson should both be obvious entrants....

+1 Hmmm...you got me thinking maybe I should nominate.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 03, 2018, 12:33:17 PM
Wash-U is starting to demonstrate that not only can it score with the best offensive teams in the country, it can also defend well.

The Bears held Rochester to 39% overall shooting, 4 points under its average.  Andrew Sanders had 3 steals, Matt Highsmith had a couple of blocks, and David Schmelter had one of each to go along with 11 rebounds.

The defense turned to quick offense several times, with Wash-U enjoying a 15-2 edge in fast break points, and a 14-3 advantage in points from turnovers (Wash-U only had 6 turnovers, Rochester 15--including 10 in the 2nd half).  And, after Rochester's Ryan Clamage had 22 points against Wash-U in their first meeting, he was held to 7 points on 3-12 shooting.

So, in the battle between the #1 offense in the UAA (Wash-U) and the #1 defense (Rochester), the Bears led by 26 points with 6:19 left in the 2nd half en route to a 77-63-victory...mainly because their defense has significantly improved during UAA games.

Now, all this won't mean much unless Wash-U answers the earlier Sunday wake-up call well (11:00 a.m. Central) vs. Emory...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 04, 2018, 12:43:51 PM
Feature game of the day--

Emory 38 Wash U 37 at halftime.

David Schmelter has a double double to lead Wash U with 12 pts and 10 rebounds.

Whitt Rapp leading Emory with 10 pts and 5 assists.

I have been listening to the game on KWUR internet audio with the student commentary- because my WiFi is having problems with the video feed.  Very entertaining game with insightful student commentary so far.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 04, 2018, 12:48:44 PM
The other halftime scores have all of the home teams leading--

1.). Carnegie Mellon 45, Brandeis 24
2.). Case Western Reserve (wearing the Case Tech Rough Rider uniforms today-- Throwback Weekend) 29, NYU 24 (Game being played at Adelbert Gym)
3.). Chicago 35, Rochester 25
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 04, 2018, 01:44:29 PM
Final of our feature game of the day--

Wash U 82, Emory 69

Wash U takes a 2 game lead in the UAA with 5 games left to play, and has the head to head tiebreaker sweep over Emory.

Looking forward to see if at least 1 Top 25 voter decides to go the unconventional route and give a #1 vote to Wash U.  Or will Whitman hold on to all 25 of their #1 votes?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 04, 2018, 01:55:39 PM
All of the home teams won on the men's side today--

1.). Carnegie Mellon 72, Brandeis 58-- Carnegie Mellon gets their first UAA win of the season-- no one is going 0-14 on the conference season.

2.). Case 73, NYU 57

NYU will need 2 wins in the next 5 games to finish with at least a .500 mark and become eligible for ECAC tournament selection.

3.). Chicago 90, Rochester 83

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 04, 2018, 03:31:01 PM
Absolutely loved watching Washington University get the win today.

Regarding David Schmelter, I'll have to think about this, but I would say this was his best game in his best UAA weekend in his best month in his best year in a Washington University uniform.  Especially considering the stakes.

17 points and 16 rebounds and 3 assists with only 2 personal fouls in 36 minutes (he had zero fouls against Rochester).  Schmelter would shoot 16 free throws while Christopher Avant and Matt Davet would finish the game with 4 fouls each.  Adam Gigax would foul out.  When Schmelter got the ball...Emory had no answer.

It is worth mentioning that he did this without Andrew Sanders on the floor for most of the game.  Foul trouble has generally not been a problem this season, but Sanders was only able to play 20 minutes today.  Take Sanders out of the game though and this greatly changes the way teams must defend the paint.

Kevin Kucera (19), Matt Highsmith (16) and Jack Nolan (11) would join Sanders and Schmelter in double figures.

Emory looked like they might be ready to get revenge late in the first half as they began to exploit the screens and the subsequent defensive mismatches they created, but Washington University made the necessary halftime adjustments and played much better defense in the second.

Matt Davet was the most valuable freshman on the floor today finishing with 13 points including 3-7 from three point range.  Davet is going to be very good.  Williams finished with 12 but needed 14 shots to get there.


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 04, 2018, 04:56:54 PM
^^^ That's a fabulous write up of the game. +1. Glad you are back on the boards. I was sitting upstairs so didn't feel Schmelter's intensity in the way you describe it, but reflecting on it I can see why you say that.

Having watched online the game at Emory last weekend, the Eagles looked like a completely different, and much better, team today, both offensively and defensively, especially in the first half. After Wash U was able to establish a bit of a lead (8-9 points) in the second half I think Emory got worried and didn't execute as well.

Romin Williams is very deceptive with his hesitation moves. Seems like he shouldn't be attempting 3-pointers, though -- at least based on today's performance.

Out of curiosity -- what is the correct pronunciation of Gigax? The Emory announcer from last weekend's broadcast said Jee-jax. The Wash U announcer said Gig-ax.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 04, 2018, 05:52:49 PM
Our PA announcer Scott Cummings conferred with the Emory staff before the game and the pronunciation given was gee (as in lee)-gacks.  Hard Gs on both syllables.

In the ebb and flow of the game, especially when the pace was fast, I tried to emphasize the long "e" of the first syllable but it may have softened closer to a short "i" sound.  My apologies if that was the case.



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 04, 2018, 06:31:03 PM
^^^ Thanks for the explanation. I put the hyphen in the wrong place. Sorry about that. Should have been Gi-gax. And yes, the Wash U PA announcer, not you,  (I should have been more specific), used hard Gs. I have no doubt that you got it right every time.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 04, 2018, 08:16:30 PM
Scott checked with Emory staff because there has been at least a couple of different pronunciations of Gigax's name circulating among the populace.  Unfortunate...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 05, 2018, 06:52:42 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on February 04, 2018, 04:56:54 PM
+1. Glad you are back on the boards.

Thanks man...glad you were able to make the game.  I am not sure if sitting so close to the court gives me a better perspective or just exaggerates everything I see.

Quote from: y_jack_lok on February 04, 2018, 04:56:54 PM
Romin Williams is very deceptive with his hesitation moves. Seems like he shouldn't be attempting 3-pointers, though -- at least based on today's performance.

Williams was a point guard in high school and was tasked with running the point in a few games when Whit Rapp was out with the injury.  Williams ran the point for a few possessions in this game and had two highlight reel assists.  Rapp has earned his starting point guard role and then some (current Division III No. 2 in career assists), but Williams needs to be looking for the assist regardless of his role.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 05, 2018, 07:02:04 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 04, 2018, 01:44:29 PM
Looking forward to see if at least 1 Top 25 voter decides to go the unconventional route and give a #1 vote to Wash U.  Or will Whitman hold on to all 25 of their #1 votes?

One thing that has changed in the last two weekends: Rochester went from a three loss team to a seven loss team including two losses to Chicago.

Rochester was a bit of a legacy in the rankings this season after losing 45 points per game and 15 rebounds per game between three of the 10 best players from the league last season.  The voters may be thinking that Rochester should have never been ranked.

Voters may be too busy sorting out the rest of the poll to worry about the Top 3 teams.  Not to mention the fact that Whitman travels to Whitworth this week.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2018, 07:36:42 AM
Quote from: WUH on February 05, 2018, 07:02:04 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 04, 2018, 01:44:29 PM
Looking forward to see if at least 1 Top 25 voter decides to go the unconventional route and give a #1 vote to Wash U.  Or will Whitman hold on to all 25 of their #1 votes?

One thing that has changed in the last two weekends: Rochester went from a three loss team to a seven loss team including two losses to Chicago.

Rochester was a bit of a legacy in the rankings this season after losing 45 points per game and 15 rebounds per game between three of the 10 best players from the league last season.  The voters may be thinking that Rochester should have never been ranked.

Voters may be too busy sorting out the rest of the poll to worry about the Top 3 teams.  Not to mention the fact that Whitman travels to Whitworth this week.

Yeah, I would not be surprised to see Whitman still unanimous #1 either.  I think Whitman wins Tuesday night as well.

Looking forward to seeing Wash U on Friday-- although maybe not looking forward to potentially seeing Wash U score 100 points on the Brandeis men!😐
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 05, 2018, 09:47:37 AM
Quote from: WUH on February 05, 2018, 06:52:42 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on February 04, 2018, 04:56:54 PM
Romin Williams is very deceptive with his hesitation moves. Seems like he shouldn't be attempting 3-pointers, though -- at least based on today's performance.

Williams was a point guard in high school and was tasked with running the point in a few games when Whit Rapp was out with the injury.  Williams ran the point for a few possessions in this game and had two highlight reel assists.  Rapp has earned his starting point guard role and then some (current Division III No. 2 in career assists), but Williams needs to be looking for the assist regardless of his role.

On December 2nd Emory lost at Hampden-Sydney. I wondered how that happened as Hampden-Sydney has turned out to be pretty bad (5-16 at the moment). A check of the box score shows Romin Williams starting and Whitt Rapp not playing. Perhaps that is at least a partial explanatilon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 05, 2018, 11:21:20 AM
Willliams had a 17-7-5 afternoon against Hampden-Sydney, with a pair of steals to boot, and shot a tidy 6-11 from the field in that game, so it seems a bit unfair to pin the loss on him. He did turn the ball over five times, but he was hardly the only Eagle who merits a perp walk for careless ballhandling in that game, as Gebereal Baitey also turned it over five times and Beau Bommarito coughed it up thrice. Emory turned it over 21 times as a team that day, which is high, but it's not the season high for the Eagles. On January 19 they turned it over 23 times in a 73-68 win over NYU (another team that is no great shakes this season), with Whit Rapp committing five of those turnovers.

I didn't see the Emory @ Hampden-Sydney game, but the box score leads me to think that it's a loss best chalked up to just being one of those things ... especially since it came early in the season on HSC's home floor.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Riley056 on February 05, 2018, 11:39:26 AM
Can Emory afford to lose 1 more and get in?

Does it matter who the loss is to? Lose to Rochester and maybe its okay - lose to any other team on their schedule and not good?

The win vs. Illinois Wesleyan helps a lot
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 05, 2018, 12:10:56 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 05, 2018, 11:21:20 AM
Willliams had a 17-7-5 afternoon against Hampden-Sydney, with a pair of steals to boot, and shot a tidy 6-11 from the field in that game, so it seems a bit unfair to pin the loss on him. He did turn the ball over five times, but he was hardly the only Eagle who merits a perp walk for careless ballhandling in that game, as Gebereal Baitey also turned it over five times and Beau Bommarito coughed it up thrice. Emory turned it over 21 times as a team that day, which is high, but it's not the season high for the Eagles. On January 19 they turned it over 23 times in a 73-68 win over NYU (another team that is no great shakes this season), with Whit Rapp committing five of those turnovers.

I didn't see the Emory @ Hampden-Sydney game, but the box score leads me to think that it's a loss best chalked up to just being one of those things ... especially since it came early in the season on HSC's home floor.

Thanks for checking those details, which I had not done. In my defense, I did say that perhaps Williams starting in place of Rapp "is at least a partial explanation". But based on your post I retract that. Seems like Williams had little to do with the loss and that the better explanation is yours -- just one of those things.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2018, 01:03:51 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2018, 02:00:03 PM
Wrong spelling, d-mac.

It's Mark Edwards of Wash U.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 05, 2018, 02:33:06 PM
I watched the second half of the Hampden-Sydney game. 

The Tigers had one of those days in which they could not miss.

Emory has played some great games.  Again, the game against Lipscomb in which they were in it until the end.  They have also had to close out tough games against so-so Berry, Birmingham Southern, Carnegie Mellon. 

They just could not close out the Hampden-Sydney.

I definitely think Whitt Rapp is the go-to point guard, and I am just a basketball novice as say, but I watched what Rochester did for the last two seasons and I think dang, Rapp, Baitey and Williams needs to watch that tape.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 05, 2018, 03:01:54 PM
A few more random thoughts...

It looks like Ryan Jacobsen got the start for Chicago on Sunday, but was charged with zero minutes played.  Jacobsen has been oddly quiet in some games, but has come up big in others.  This would be a tough loss for a Maroons team that certainly hopes to finish the season with a 4-5 or 5-5 record.

Speaking of tough losses...Ross Udine did not play this weekend.  Udine is a four-year starter is just behind Rapp in career assists.  This is a devastating loss.

In regards to Emory and their at-large prospects, if you do not get an answer, ask over in the Pool C thread.  Drew Pasteur had them as strong contenders even after the loss yesterday.

Emory will have to travel for three of their final five games including a road game against Case Western Reserve who they destroyed last time.  But the Spartans have rattled off five straight wins.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2018, 05:13:51 PM
Spelling mistake was one typo that I had in my original work, didn't notice it, and then copied it far too many times.

We fixed it where we needed, but I can't get to it all. WE know it is MarK... not MarC... but my fingers were ahead of my brain, apparently.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2018, 09:37:54 PM
Congrats to TJ Duckett of Case Western Reserve University on being named to the D3Hoops.com Team of the Week for Feb. 5, 2018.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 06, 2018, 03:55:21 AM
UAA teams in D3Hoops.com Men's Top 25-- Week 10

#2-- Wash U-- 596 pts
#13-- Emory-- 269 pts

Whitman still unanimous #1.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 06, 2018, 05:19:24 AM
UAA Rookie update

Through games of Feb. 4

Overall

Scoring

1.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 16.0 ppg, 27.3 points per 40.
2.). Jack Nolan, Wash U-- 11.9 ppg, 22.5 points per 40.
3.). Ignas Masiulionis, Case-- 10.6 ppg, 18.9 points per 40
3.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 10.6 ppg, 15.3 points per 40
5.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 8.9 ppg, 13.2 points per 40

Rebounding

1.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 4.8 RPG
2.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 4.2 RPG
3.). Bobby Hawkinson, NYU-- 3.8 RPG
4.). Matt Davet, Emory-- 3.2 RPG
5.). Ignas Masiulionis, Case-- 3.0 RPG

Assists

1.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 4.1 APG
2.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 3.0 APG
3.). Zach Watson, Carnegie Mellon-- 2.0 APG
4.). Antonio Ionadi, Case-- 1.9 APG
5.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 1.8 APG

Steals

1.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 1.4 spg
2.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 1.3 spg

Blocks

No rookie with 1 or more blocked shots per game

Honorable Mention:  Bobby Hawkinson, NYU-- 10 blocks in 19 games overall, 4 blocks in 9 UAA games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 06, 2018, 06:52:07 AM
KnightSlappy's unofficial SOS calculations of UAA Men's teams

Teams listed in order of KnightSlappy's current unofficial RPI rankings

Info as of Feb. 5

1.). Wash U-- .569 SOS, .556 NCSOS
2.). Emory-- .548 SOS, .535 NCSOS
3.). Rochester-- .568 SOS, .575 NCSOS
4.). Case-- .525 SOS, .511 NCSOS
5.). Chicago-- .562 SOS, .529 NCSOS
6.). Carnegie Mellon-- .571 SOS, .605 NCSOS
7.). NYU-- .473 SOS, .413 NCSOS

Note:  Brandeis is not in the top 40 in the Northeast by RPI, so no SOS number given for Brandeis.

Further note: RPI is not used for official regional rankings in DIII.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 06, 2018, 11:53:48 AM
UAA Men's Basketball Athlete of the Week--

TJ Duckett, Case Western Reserve University (Case)

Hoopdirt.com DIII Men's Basketball Coach of the Week--

Todd McGuiness, Case Western Reserve University
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 06, 2018, 12:47:30 PM
Wash U Game preview-- Matchdays 10 and 11

No. 2 Wash U Heads East to Take On Brandeis, NYU (http://washubears.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180206hxpqv5)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 06, 2018, 01:59:33 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 06, 2018, 11:53:48 AM
UAA Men's Basketball Athlete of the Week--

TJ Duckett, Case Western Reserve University (Case)

This is a nice honor for one of my favorite players in the league. 

It is a shame that only one player from the senior class returned this season, but it gives them an opportunity to build for the long haul.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on February 06, 2018, 06:52:54 PM
The weekly interview with WashU head coach Mark Edwards is back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDnqwRutWkM&t=12s
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2018, 10:22:15 AM
Sunday, Feb. 11, 2018-- Chicago at Brandeis

. Feb. 11 is Brandeis Faculty and Staff Appreciation Day.

Brandeis will honor Biology Professor Michael Rosbash-- winner of the 2017 Nobel Prize for Medicine for his research on circadian rhythms.

This is the first time in Brandeis history that a faculty member has won a Nobel Prize.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 08, 2018, 06:37:42 AM
NCAA tournament candidates-- UAA teams

Data to be listed in Feb. 14 rankings

Results vs d3 teams ranked in Feb. 7 rankings

UAA leader Wash U-- #1 Central

Wash U is currently 7-1 vs d3 ranked teams


Wash U vs

Tufts (#11 in Northeast)-- 1-0
Ohio Northern (#5 in Great Lakes)-- 1-0
Illinois Wesleyan (#5 in Central)-- 1-0
Augustana (#3 in Central)-- 0-1
Rochester (#3 in East)-- 2-0
Emory (#2 in South)-- 2-0

Pool C candidates

Emory-- #2 South

Emory is currently 3-2 vs d3 ranked opponents


Emory vs

Maryville (TN) (#6 in South)-- 1-0
Illinois Wesleyan (#5 in Central)-- 1-0
Rochester (#3 in East)-- 1-0
Wash U (#1 in Central)-- 0-2

Rochester-- #3 East

Rochester is currently 1-4 vs d3 ranked opponents


Rochester vs

Hobart (#1 East)-- 0-1
Nazareth (#6 East)-- 1-0
Emory (#2 South)-- 0-1
Wash U (#1 Central)--0-2

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 08, 2018, 01:10:52 PM
Automatic qualifier clinching scenario for this weekend:

Wash U men can clinch the AQ this weekend if all 3 things happen:

1.). Wash U sweeps Brandeis and NYU on the road;
2.). Emory loses 1 game this weekend, and
3.). Case Western Reserve University loses 1 game this weekend.

Wash U men can clinch at least a UAA co-championship this weekend if both of these things happen:

1.). Wash U sweeps Brandeis and NYU on the road, and
2.). Emory loses 1 game this weekend.

Eliminated from UAA title race-- NYU, Brandeis, Carnegie Mellon

Wash U clinches UAA title and AQ this weekend if all 3 things happen:

1.). Wash U sweeps Brandeis and NYU on the road--
2.). Emory goes 0-2 vs Carnegie Mellon and Case Western Reserve University, and
3.). Rochester defeats Case Western Reserve University.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 09, 2018, 10:32:52 PM
For the second time this season, Carnegie Mellon takes Emory to the wire but cannot close out the game.  The Eagles win 82-80.

The Tartans trailed by single digits most of the evening and pulled to within three with 15 seconds left. An Emory foul sent Ryan Maha to the line to shoot three and he made the lot to tie the game.  The upset was not meant to be as Whit Rapp hit Christopher Avant in the post and Avant laid it in with one second left and that was the game.

Adam Gigax has found his scoring touch again scoring 27 including a 5-8 performance from the perimeter. That was notable because he was also fouled on two of missed shots and sank all 6 free throws.

Carnegie Mellon definitely did not look like a 5-16, 1-9 team tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 10, 2018, 03:23:07 PM
Forgot to comment on the 87-75 win by Washington University over Brandeis...

Washington University ran out to a 19 point lead in the first half before Brandeis battled back.  Washington University was able to use 10 players in the first half.

The Judges cut the deficit to 10 at the half and would go on a run to start the second half to cut it to 3.  Key to the Judges offense was their perimeter shooting.  Half of their field goal attempts were from three point range (13-21, 61%). 

I was able to watch the last 5 or so minutes of the Chicago vs. NYU game. 

The game was tied at 60 before Chicago took over thanks largely to the work of Collin Barthel (37 points 8 rebounds).  Ryan Jacobsen did not play after coming out in the first minute of the game against Rochester.  Ross Udine did play for NYU, but is playing with a face mask.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 11, 2018, 10:37:16 AM
Today is Brandeis Faculty and Staff Appreciation Day.

The ceremony to honor Brandeis prof. Michael Rosbash, 2017 Nobel Prize winner in Medicine, will take place at halftime of today's Brandeis vs. Chicago men's game.  Tip of that game is at noon Eastern. 

The ceremony should be a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 11, 2018, 01:28:33 PM
Prof Rosbash was honored with a chair from the Brandeis Dept of Athletics at halftime, and the Brandeis men got their second UAA win of the season, defeating Chicago, 70-66.

Chicago men are eliminated from the UAA title race.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 11, 2018, 02:05:28 PM
It was just a matter of time before Carnegie Mellon scored a big win, but each time they get close, they miss critical free-throws.

Ryan Maha went to the line for a 1 and 1 opportunity with the Tartans leading Rochester by two with 5 seconds.  He missed the first.

The Yellowjackets brought it down and had it knocked out of bounds.  The Yellowjackets were left with 1 second to inbound the ball and score.  Ryan Clamage hit a three pointer for the win, but after the officials reviewed the play, that shot was waived off and Carnegie Mellon walked away with the with the 70-68 win.
__________

In other UAA games, Case Western Reserve gave Emory all they could handle, trailing by just one point with 16 seconds left.

Washington University raced out to a 12-0 lead and eventually led by as many as 24 points.  NYU would mount a comeback effort in the second, but the game was never in doubt.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 12, 2018, 05:42:47 PM
UAA Men's Basketball Athletes of the Week

Feb. 9-11, 2018

Colin Barthel, Chicago

Andrew Sanders, Wash U
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 13, 2018, 07:04:50 AM
UAA Rookie update

Games through Feb. 11

Overall

Scoring

1.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 15.6 ppg, 27.2 pts per 40.
2.). Jack Nolan, Wash U-- 11.4 ppg, 21.6 pts per 40
3.). Ignas Masiulionis, Case-- 11.0 ppg, 19.6 pts per 40.
4.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 10.4 ppg, 15.0 pts per 40.
5.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 8.9 ppg, 12.8 pts per 40.

Rebounding

1.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 4.8 RPG
2.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 4.0 RPG
3.). Bobby Hawkinson, NYU-- 3.5 RPG
4.). Akim Sanni, Brandeis-- 3.0 RPG
4.). Matt Davet, Emory-- 3.0 RPG

Assists

1.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 4.3 APG
2.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 2.8 APG
3.). Antonio Ionadi, Case-- 1.9 APG
3.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 1.9 APG
5.). Jack Nolan, Wash U-- 1.1 APG
5.). Nick Stuck, Emory-- 1.1 APG

Steals

1.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 1.3 spg
2.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 1.2 spg
3.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 1.1 spg

Blocks

No rookie with 1 or more blocks per game

Honorable mention-- Bobby Hawkinson, NYU-- 12 blocks in 21 games played; 6 blocks in 11 UAA games played.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 13, 2018, 09:36:42 AM
I love these rookie updates.  Last season, one of the more interesting stories was the emergence of the seniors who had breakout senior campaigns.  This season, the rookies are definitely one of the more intriguing stories.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on February 13, 2018, 11:01:04 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 13, 2018, 09:36:42 AM
I love these rookie updates.  Last season, one of the more interesting stories was the emergence of the seniors who had breakout senior campaigns.  This season, the rookies are definitely one of the more intriguing stories.

I used to be able to think,"What did WUH  (pronounced in my head, Wooo) have to say?"    Now I have to think "What did WUPHF (pronounced in my head, wooo-pifff) have to say?"    what does the P and F stand for... in fact, I never knew what the H stood for!!!    ;D ;D ;D ???
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 13, 2018, 01:36:31 PM
WUPHF (pronounced Woof) is a reference to a fictional social media start-up launched by Ryan Howard (B.J. Novak) on the television show The Office.

In the show, Ryan convinces Michael Scott and others to invest in his venture which was to merge Facebook and Twitter with e-mail, faxing, texting and phone calls.  The investors soon realize that Ryan is not going to be able to make it all work and Howard tries to buy time by telling everyone that he received an offer to buy the company from Washington University.

The reprieve is temporary though as they eventually determine that Washington University wants the domain for the Washington University Public Health Fund.  There is no fund in real life, but the University, from the Chancellor on down was thrilled by the mention.

I remember years ago thinking WUPHF would be a much better moniker given the television reference.  Feel free to call me whatever.

It is too early to plan this out, but out of curiosity would a Greenville vs. Washington University or maybe a Eureka vs. Washington University be enough to bring you back to St. Louis?  Or, whomever?  If we were to get that?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 13, 2018, 01:56:38 PM
Incidentally, in useless, you get what you paid for trivia: Washington University has not played Greenville since 2003-2004 and has not played Eureka since 2008-2009.  The team played Iowa and Iowa State (with a 15-7 record), but never Iowa Wesleyan.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on February 13, 2018, 02:16:50 PM
Weekly interview with WashU head coach Mark Edwards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLudymsrPt8&t=64s
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on February 13, 2018, 10:34:54 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 13, 2018, 01:36:31 PM

It is too early to plan this out, but out of curiosity would a Greenville vs. Washington University or maybe a Eureka vs. Washington University be enough to bring you back to St. Louis?  Or, whomever?  If we were to get that?

Absolutely no... will be watching on the internet... unfortunately don't think either of those would be close anyway, though fun to see how Wash U handles the system, or if Shea Feehan's skills would be enough to compete against Wash U...let's hope Shea is back this week so he can be ready for the conference tourney....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 14, 2018, 07:01:00 AM
Wash U game preview for Matchdays 12 and 13:

No. 2 Wash U Hosts Case, Carnegie on Senior Weekend (http://washubears.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180213f6i205)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 14, 2018, 07:17:44 AM
UAA title picture:

Wash U has a 2 game lead over Emory with 3 games to play.

All other UAA teams have been eliminated from the UAA title race.

Wash U--

1.). Can clinch at least a share of the UAA title with a win on Friday, or an Emory loss.  Wash U also clinches the AQ to the NCAA tournament with a win or an Emory loss this weekend by virtue of sweeping the head to head series vs Emory.

2.). Clinches UAA title outright with 2 wins, or 1 win and an Emory loss.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 14, 2018, 08:26:22 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 13, 2018, 01:36:31 PM
WUPHF (pronounced Woof) is a reference to a fictional social media start-up launched by Ryan Howard (B.J. Novak) on the television show The Office.

In the show, Ryan convinces Michael Scott and others to invest in his venture which was to merge Facebook and Twitter with e-mail, faxing, texting and phone calls.  The investors soon realize that Ryan is not going to be able to make it all work and Howard tries to buy time by telling everyone that he received an offer to buy the company from Washington University.

The reprieve is temporary though as they eventually determine that Washington University wants the domain for the Washington University Public Health Fund.  There is no fund in real life, but the University, from the Chancellor on down was thrilled by the mention.

I remember years ago thinking WUPHF would be a much better moniker given the television reference.  Feel free to call me whatever.

It is too early to plan this out, but out of curiosity would a Greenville vs. Washington University or maybe a Eureka vs. Washington University be enough to bring you back to St. Louis?  Or, whomever?  If we were to get that?

Thanks for the explanation! Love the early years of that show... although I don't recall that specific episode.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 14, 2018, 02:07:56 PM
UAA teams in Feb. 14 regional rankings

UAA Leader-- Wash U-- #1 Central

Pool C candidates

Emory-- #1 South
Rochester-- #5 East

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2018, 02:08:34 PM
And here's that link:
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 14, 2018, 02:37:28 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 13, 2018, 09:36:42 AM
I love these rookie updates.

I do, too, although I can't help but wonder if this is Allen's way of putting a gloss on a bad season for his Judges. ;)

(Nota bene, since my alma mater's team is having an awful season as well, perhaps I should be doing the same thing for frosh-laden NPU as Allen is doing for 'deis.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 14, 2018, 02:46:18 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 14, 2018, 08:26:22 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 13, 2018, 01:36:31 PM
WUPHF (pronounced Woof) is a reference to a fictional social media start-up launched by Ryan Howard (B.J. Novak) on the television show The Office.

In the show, Ryan convinces Michael Scott and others to invest in his venture which was to merge Facebook and Twitter with e-mail, faxing, texting and phone calls.  The investors soon realize that Ryan is not going to be able to make it all work and Howard tries to buy time by telling everyone that he received an offer to buy the company from Washington University.

The reprieve is temporary though as they eventually determine that Washington University wants the domain for the Washington University Public Health Fund.  There is no fund in real life, but the University, from the Chancellor on down was thrilled by the mention.

I remember years ago thinking WUPHF would be a much better moniker given the television reference.  Feel free to call me whatever.

It is too early to plan this out, but out of curiosity would a Greenville vs. Washington University or maybe a Eureka vs. Washington University be enough to bring you back to St. Louis?  Or, whomever?  If we were to get that?

Thanks for the explanation! Love the early years of that show... although I don't recall that specific episode.

I got it right away, and vigorously applaud WUH's name change. In fact, I've always wondered why long-time-posting Scranton Royals fans NEPAFAN, saratoga, and ronk never adopted names taken from The Office. That show put the Electric City on the cultural map.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 14, 2018, 05:17:54 PM
+1 The Office was great through the first 3 seasons, but started to decline there after.  Definitely episodes worth watching though in seasons 4-7.

If you ever see a new poster on the boards with the name Ever Heard of It, then chances are good that I have moved to Mount Vernon, Iowa even if the reference is not technically correct.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 14, 2018, 05:59:32 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 14, 2018, 02:37:28 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 13, 2018, 09:36:42 AM
I love these rookie updates.

I do, too, although I can't help but wonder if this is Allen's way of putting a gloss on a bad season for his Judges. ;)

(Nota bene, since my alma mater's team is having an awful season as well, perhaps I should be doing the same thing for frosh-laden NPU as Allen is doing for 'deis.)

But the soccer season went well! 😀 I'm not blaming coach Meehan for not wanting the Brandeis men's basketball team to compete for ECAC titles any more as long as he remains the coach.  Money saved.☺

However, if the ECAC membership in DIII drops to fewer than 50 schools-- like what currently exists in DII (only 26 DII schools currently have ECAC membership) then I will be worried. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2018, 01:38:20 PM
Then be worried... you are the only one I even hear talk about the ECACs as much as you do... and that includes conversations with coaches, ADs, whatnot. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 15, 2018, 01:48:23 PM
The Washington University student newspaper published a story on freshman Jack Nolan which includes thoughts from Uncle Gene.

http://www.studlife.com/sports/2018/02/15/family-business-jack-nolan-stars-for-wu-25-years-after-his-uncle-gene/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 15, 2018, 04:54:19 PM
Time change--

Chicago men will now tip vs Carnegie Mellon at 8:30 PM Central/9:30 PM Eastern tomorrow-- a 1/2 hour delay.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 16, 2018, 04:15:23 PM
The Emory student newspaper wrote a feature story on Romin Williams: http://emorywheel.com/ball-is-life-freshman-romin-williams-love-shines-on-the-court/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 16, 2018, 04:22:38 PM
Otherwise, looking forward to the final two home games of the regular season for Washington University as they host Case Western Reserve tonight and Carnegie Mellon on Sunday.

Washington University had one of their largest wins of the season in Cleveland, but the Spartans did go on to win the next five games before hosting Rochester and Emory.  The Tartans were able to hang with both teams. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2018, 09:05:23 PM
Update--

Next Saturday's Wash U doubleheader at Chicago will be webcast live on both the Wash U Sports Network and the Maroons Broadcast Network.

Jaybird44 will be heading to Chicago to call the PBP for Wash U next Saturday.

Update-- the broadcast at Chicago will be a "radio" PBP on the Wash U Sports Network.  Chicago's webcast is the video stream.

Both the Wash U men and the Chicago women are aiming for a perfect 14-0 in UAA play.  The Chicago women just went to 12-0 in UAA play just a few minutes ago with their victory over Carnegie Mellon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2018, 09:37:58 PM
Finals

Emory 96, NYU 85-- NYU needs to win out to finish at .500

Rochester 81, Brandeis 58

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2018, 10:37:18 PM
Final

Wash U 101, Case 60

Wash U clinches at least a UAA Men's Basketball Co-Championship

Wash U clinches the UAA AQ to the NCAA DIII Men's Basketball Championship by virtue of having the head to head sweep over Emory, the only other team who can clinch at least a share of the UAA title. 


A Wash U win or an Emory loss on Sunday will give the Bears the outright UAA title.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2018, 10:58:37 PM
All games are now final on the night, as Chicago has just defeated Carnegie Mellon, 86-70.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 17, 2018, 12:09:52 AM
Nice win by Washington University.  No much more to say about it.

The Bears were a little slower out of the gates than last time and they had to contend with a hot shooting Ignas Masiulionis who scored 20 points on 8-11 shooting in 22 minutes, but otherwise, nothing to complain about. 

The Spartans needed a big game from TJ Duckett, but he struggled throughout with foul trouble.

Jack Nolan was perfect from the field (6-6, 3-3) and the line (4-4) en route to a 19 point performance.  DeVaughn Rucker scored a quick 14 points in just 6 minutes.  Rucker is frenetic to say the least, but so much fun to watch.

Other numbers worth mentioning: Washington University shot 47% from three point range and finished with 25 assists, 9 steals and 11 turnovers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 17, 2018, 12:24:10 AM
Looks like Ryan Jacobsen was back and in the starting line-up tonight for Chicago.  Definitely a boost for the Maroons.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 17, 2018, 08:38:54 AM
Chasing perfection--

Previous seasons where a team went 14-0 or better in the UAA

1.). 1997-98:  Chicago-- 14-0 (Johns Hopkins and Case Western Reserve played a single round robin and were not eligible for UAA title.)

2.). 1999-2000:  Chicago-- 15-0 (Johns Hopkins played a single round robin and was not eligible for UAA title.)

Johns Hopkins left the UAA at the conclusion of the 2000-01 season.

3.). 2001-02: Wash U-- 14-0
4.). 2013-14:  Wash U-- 14-0

Wash U is attempting to go perfect in UAA play for the third time in program history.  If they achieve it, it will be the fifth time in UAA history that a men's basketball team went undefeated in UAA play for an entire season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2018, 12:56:18 PM
Halftime scores--

Carnegie Mellon 45, #2 Wash U 39
Brandeis 46, #7 Emory 44
Rochester 50, NYU 36
Chicago 47, Case 39

Big highlight at Emory-- Whit Rapp injured in the final minutes of the half.

With Emory down 6 in the final seconds of the half, Romin Williams drained a 3 from 32 feet and was fouled on the play.  He converted the FT to make it a 4 pt play with 1 second left in the half.

If scoreline holds at Rochester, NYU men will be eliminated from ECAC consideration.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2018, 01:08:22 PM
Wash U 64, Carnegie Mellon 55 10:44 left.

Chicago 77, Case 58 8:54 left
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2018, 01:36:04 PM
Final--

Wash U 86, Carnegie Mellon 71

Emory eliminated from UAA title race.

Wash U is your 2017-18 UAA Men's Basketball Champion.

Wash U now 13-0 in UAA play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2018, 01:42:50 PM
Other finals--

Emory 82, Brandeis 69
Chicago 98, Case 78
Rochester 92, NYU 72

NYU drops to 10-13 and is now eliminated from ECAC tournament consideration.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2018, 01:57:13 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 18, 2018, 01:36:04 PM
Final--

Wash U 86, Carnegie Mellon 71

Emory eliminated from UAA title race.

Wash U is your 2017-18 UAA Men's Basketball Champion.

Wash U now 13-0 in UAA play.


Actually, WashU wrapped this up on Friday, right? Two game lead with two to play and a sweep of Emory to break the tie-breaker?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 18, 2018, 03:36:19 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2018, 01:57:13 PM
Actually, WashU wrapped this up on Friday, right? Two game lead with two to play and a sweep of Emory to break the tie-breaker?

The conference awards co-championships in the case of a tie.  The tiebreaker only determines who gets the automatic bid.  Washington University is guaranteed to finish one game ahead of Emory with the win today.

In 2012-2013, the conference actually had a three-way tie with Washington University winning the tiebreaker.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 18, 2018, 04:36:07 PM
This was a good Senior Day win for a Washington University squad that had to play without starting forward Matt Highsmith who may have tweaked his ankle on Friday.  They also had to overcome a hot shooting Carnegie Mellon team that shot 52% from the field and 7-16 from three point range to start the game.  The Tartans led at the half 45-39.

Washington University made the necessary half-time adjustments and held the Tartans to just 26 second half points.  The Bears also got going on offense in a big way.  Four players scored in double figures on 22 assists (12 turnovers).

Congratulations to Sasha Sobolev who was awarded the Robert L Pearce award.  Sobolev is averaging 5 minutes per game and getting most of his minutes in clean-up situations, but he has played big minutes off the bench, especially when the team is struggling with foul trouble. 

Incidentally, it was great to see Clinton Hooks and Michael Bregman in the building today as those guys have played such a big role in the success of this senior class.

Looking forward to next weekend...Chicago is 8-5 and 7-2 over the last 9 games with two wins over Rochester.  Jake Fenlon and Collin Barthel have been playing great to lead a team that is ready to pull the upset.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 18, 2018, 05:06:14 PM
At the end of last season, I made a prediction as to how the teams would finish this season based entirely on anticipated returning players.  The teams have one game left so this could look different, but so far...

Quote from: WUPHF on March 20, 2017, 03:33:42 PM
Having detailed all that, here is how I believe the UAA teams will finish in 2017-2018:

Washington University, UAA Champions
Chicago
Rochester
Case Western Reserve
Emory
Carngie Mellon
NYU
Brandeis

Current UAA standings...

Washington University (13-0)
Emory (11-2)
Chicago (8-5)
Rochester (7-6)
Case Western Reserve (6-7)
NYU (3-10)
Brandeis (2-11)
Carnegie Mellon (2-11)

Emory is graduating four players from a very nice senior class, but they needed that freshmen class to defy my expectations.  Carnegie Mellon both had a couple of upsets in the making, but could not get the wins. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2018, 05:25:56 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 18, 2018, 03:36:19 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2018, 01:57:13 PM
Actually, WashU wrapped this up on Friday, right? Two game lead with two to play and a sweep of Emory to break the tie-breaker?

The conference awards co-championships in the case of a tie.  The tiebreaker only determines who gets the automatic bid.  Washington University is guaranteed to finish one game ahead of Emory with the win today.

In 2012-2013, the conference actually had a three-way tie with Washington University winning the tiebreaker.

In the event that the UAA has co-champions, each co-champion gets a plaque (trophy) from the Association for their trophy room.  The tiebreaker only determines the AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2018, 06:16:28 PM
Next Saturday at Chicago--

The Chicago women and the Wash U men will both attempt to finish UAA play with perfect 14-0 records.  If both teams win, it will be only the second time in UAA history that a men's and women's basketball team both finished undefeated in UAA play in the same season.

In the 1999-2000 season,  the Chicago men and the Wash U women both finished 15-0 in UAA play.  Johns Hopkins was still in the UAA but only played a single round robin in basketball and was not eligible for the UAA title.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2018, 03:05:25 PM
UAA Rookie update

Games through Feb. 18

Overall

Scoring

1.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 15.8 ppg, 27.6 points per 40.
2.). Jack Nolan, Wash U-- 11.5 ppg, 21.6 points per 40
3.). Ignas Masiulionis, Case-- 11.4 ppg, 20.5 points per 40
4.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 10.5 ppg, 15.3 points per 40
5.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 8.8 ppg, 12.5 points per 40

Rebounding

1.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 4.8 RPG
2.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 3.9 RPG
3.). Bobby Hawkinson, NYU-- 3.6 RPG
4.). Matt Davet, Emory-- 3.2 RPG
5.). Akim Sanni, Brandeis-- 3.0 RPG

Assists

1.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 4.3 APG
2.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 2.6 APG
3.). Zach Watson, Carnegie Mellon-- 2.0 APG
4.). Antonio Ionadi, Case-- 1.9 APG
4.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 1.9 APG

Steals

1.). Romin Williams, Emory-- 1.2 spg
1.). Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis-- 1.2 spg
3.). Chandler Jones, Brandeis-- 1.1 spg

Blocks

No rookie with 1 or more blocks per game.

Honorable mention-- Bobby Hawkinson, NYU-- 13 blocks in 23 games played.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 21, 2018, 06:46:29 AM
Congrats to Jacob Wittig of Rochester, who was named the UAA Men's Basketball Athlete of the Week for the weekend of Feb. 16-18.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 21, 2018, 09:30:40 AM
Wash U game preview-- Matchday 14

No. 2 Wash U Closes Out UAA Play Saturday at Chicago (http://washubears.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180220hwqnoi)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on February 21, 2018, 12:47:43 PM
Weekly Interview with WashU MBB head coach Mark Edwards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oE5DONQ8cM&t=11s
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 21, 2018, 12:57:41 PM
I just happened to be thinking about the Washington University-Chicago series.

This series has had its share of drama over the past several years including upset wins and wins that had serious post-season implications. 

Then there was the goal-tending incident from last season which is worth a second look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQnNzXacimY. 

Here is the more recent series record:

2017-2018
Washington University (H) 79-78

2016-2017
Washington University (R) 70-68, Chicago (R) 81-74

2015-2016
Chicago 70-68 (R), Washington University (R) 67-54

2014-2015
Chicago (H) 63-43, Washington University (H) 94-67

2013-2014
Washington University (H) 80-69, Washington University (R), 86-73

2012-2013
Chicago (H) 68-60, Washington University (H) 72-54

2011-2012
Washington University (H) 79-72, Washington University (R) 73-60

2010-2011
Chicago (H) 79-77, Chicago (R) 74-67

2009-2010
Washington University (H) 64-60, Washington University (R) 64-60
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 02:37:59 PM
The NCAA men's basketball regional advisory committees released their third set of rankings, and as expected, the Atlantic Region was among those getting shuffled. Here's the full list: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-third

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdnak1.psbin.com%2Fimg%2Fmw%3D600%2Fmh%3D600%2Fcr%3Dn%2Fd%3D4ima3%2Fdinflo07zg1qa2ww.jpg&hash=686d8e036c15a7019bc8f4723e2af35008adc158)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2018, 10:17:21 AM
Congrats to these student athletes on earning COSIDA Academic All-District® Basketball Honors this season:

Jacob Wittig, Rochester
Jake Knupp, Wash U.

UAA Press release:

Six UAA Student Athletes Named to COSIDA Academic All-District® Basketball Team (http://www.uaasports.info/sports/wbkb/2017-18/releases/uaacademicdistrict)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2018, 10:50:18 AM
Through this week, I have been compiling my picks for the 2017-18 All Association Team.

I am planning to post my picks for the 2017-18 UAA All Association Men's Basketball Team Saturday evening, between 7 to 8 PM Eastern time-- the Saturday UAA play should be done by then.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 24, 2018, 04:08:16 PM
Emory defeats Rochester on the road, 77-61.  The Eagles finish the regular season 21-4, 12-2.  Rochester, on the other hand, ends their season with a 16-9, 7-7 record.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 24, 2018, 04:10:58 PM
Wow, Brandeis has doubled-up NYU early in the second half.  Shoot 61% (22-36) and 8-10 from the perimeter and you can beat most teams on most days.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 24, 2018, 05:02:45 PM
Chicago leads Washington University at the half, 42-37.

The Bears went on a run before Chicago went on a run of their own to end the half.  The difference has come at the free-throw line.  Foul trouble could be a problem for Washington University.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 24, 2018, 05:50:53 PM
Final--

Chicago 86, #2 Wash U 77

Wash U finishes at 13-1 in UAA play.

1999-2000 still the only season in which both a men's and women's basketball team finished undefeated in UAA play in the same season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 24, 2018, 05:51:00 PM
Chicago gets the upset over Washington University, 86-77.

Regardless of how well Chicago plays during the season, they always find a way of getting up for this game.

Washington University had a 14 point lead before Chicago went on a big run to close out the first half.

By the second half, it seemed as though the end result was never in doubt.  Washington University pulled to within 3-5 on a host of occasions, but Chicago was just so good on the offensive end.  Their ball movement was incredible.  They took advantage of ever switch on the screens.  44% from the perimeter.  Every shot seemed to go in.  Every bounce...

In terms of statistics, everything was close with Chicago getting an ever so slight edge from three point range.  Not to mention rebounds and turnovers.

The Bears had been playing great defense as of late, but were a little slow today.  Foul trouble certainly hurt.  Time to shake it off and prepare for the next game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 24, 2018, 07:15:56 PM
My picks for the 2017-18 UAA All Association team

First team

Andrew Sanders-- Wash U
Jake Fenlon-- Chicago
Adam Gigax-- Emory
Whitt Rapp-- Emory
TJ Duckett-- Case
Jake Knupp-- Wash U
David Schmelter-- Wash U

Second team

Ross Udine-- NYU
Romin Williams-- Emory
Colin Barthel-- Chicago
Michael Hollis-- Case
Jacob Wittig-- Rochester
Ryan Clamage-- Rochester
Kevin Kucera-- Wash U

Honorable mention

Zach Howarth-- Carnegie Mellon
Latye Workman-- Brandeis
Tucker Knox-- Rochester
Jack Nolan-- Wash U
Jimmy Martinelli-- NYU
Matt Highsmith-- Wash U

Player of the Year-- Andrew Sanders, Wash U
Defensive Player of the Year -- Jake Knupp, Wash U
Rookie of the Year -- Romin Williams, Emory
Coaching Staff of the Year-- Wash U (Mark Edwards, Caleb Lawson, Jason Jabbari, Steve Wilcutt)

As always, any comments would be appreciated.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 24, 2018, 07:35:12 PM
I do think these picks will line up exactly with the coaches picks. These definitely line up with my thoughts. Good work!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on February 24, 2018, 09:48:16 PM
I know you can't put them all in, but Kevin Kucera has meant an awful lot to the Bears this season.  Hate to see him on the second team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 25, 2018, 01:41:01 AM
I know what you mean about Kucera...

It does look like Kucera sits in fourth all time for career assists with 472.  He is part of an interesting bit of trivia: the UAA will likely finish the season with three point guards in the Top 10 career assists list.  Whitt Rapp is currently in second with 592 while Ross Udine is currently in fifth with 570 assists.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2018, 03:31:11 AM
Quote from: Mr. Mo on February 24, 2018, 09:48:16 PM
I know you can't put them all in, but Kevin Kucera has meant an awful lot to the Bears this season.  Hate to see him on the second team.

The first team all Association is the top 7 players in the UAA as voted by the coaches, while the second team consists of the players ranked #8 to #14.   Players receiving votes but do not crack the top 14 get honorable mention.

I just wanted to let you know that my list is not ranked in exact order, but it is who I believe will be the players ranked in the 1-7 and 8-14 categories along with who I believe will also receive votes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 26, 2018, 08:11:39 AM
I don't know if there's any unwritten rule with freshmen on the 1st team, but, stat-wise, I could see Williams on the 1st team and Rapp on the 2nd.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 26, 2018, 11:49:17 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 26, 2018, 08:11:39 AM
I don't know if there's any unwritten rule with freshmen on the 1st team, but, stat-wise, I could see Williams on the 1st team and Rapp on the 2nd.

There are a number of philosophical questions that go in to building an all-league team.  Among them: Does the non-conference matter?  Does the career matter?  Statistics vs. the eye test?  Is it possible to compare two players who played significantly different roles...possibly on significantly different teams?

For example, I agreed with the decision to list Collin Barthel on the second team, but is he less deserving of the accolades than TJ Duckett?  Chicago is a better team with more depth in the front court.  How does that factor in?

Is Ross Udine a first-teamer if he has an Andrew Sanders (or Evan Kupferberg) to pass to?

There is certainly a good argument for Romin Williams on the first team and he may well get the honor.

I'll need to go back and look, but in my 10 years following the league and going back through the rookie seasons for Aaron Thompson, Tyler Nading and Troy Ruths, I think the only freshman to make the first or second team was John DiBartolmeo.

I am 99% sure Whit Rapp will make the first team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 26, 2018, 11:56:28 AM
Not that anyone cares, but I was thinking about the fact that this is my 10th season following the team. 

My first ever game was on January 7, 2008 which was a Monday afternoon game against Webster.  At the time, I was still mostly following my Division II alma mater.

I did got to most conference games that Spring, but the game that hooked me was the Sweet 16 overtime win against BVU.  The atmosphere was among the best I have ever seen at this level.  Hopefan, YJak, did you guys go to that game?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 26, 2018, 01:23:50 PM
Washington University and Emory will host first and second round pods.

Washington University plays Aurora with Nebraska Wesleyan and Maryville (TN) also head to the Gateway City.

Emory plays familiar foe Berry with LeTourney and Hanover also playing in Atlanta.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 26, 2018, 07:44:14 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 26, 2018, 11:56:28 AM
Not that anyone cares, but I was thinking about the fact that this is my 10th season following the team. 

My first ever game was on January 7, 2008 which was a Monday afternoon game against Webster.  At the time, I was still mostly following my Division II alma mater.

I did got to most conference games that Spring, but the game that hooked me was the Sweet 16 overtime win against BVU.  The atmosphere was among the best I have ever seen at this level.  Hopefan, YJak, did you guys go to that game?

Yes, I was at that game. After the Bears beat Millsaps the next night to make the final four hopefan talked me into going to Salem with him.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 26, 2018, 11:56:10 PM
That Millsaps game quite the slog, but I still might have gone to Salem if not for the schedule conflicts.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 27, 2018, 12:26:07 AM
I watched a little of the Benedictine-Aurora and if one game is any indication...

Aurora looks like a pretty good team.  They are very quick.  Every offensive possession involves some combination of drive, dish, drive, kick out drive, lay-up. 

They have 5 players that score in double figures and are lead by POY Marcus Myers who averages 20 points per game.  That guy is special.

They shoot a lot of threes (31st nationally in three-point field goal attempts).  They shoot 32% from three on the season, but shot 41% in their last two games.

They are very small.  As I mentioned elsewhere, 6-0 Marcus Myers (7.3 rbg) is their leading rebounder followed by a 6-4 forward (6.8 rbg), followed by a 6-3 forward (5 rbg), followed by a 5-9 guard (5 rbg).  They seem to compensate for height with effort.

That was a great game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 27, 2018, 02:36:20 AM
So Aurora and Wash U each have a player with almost the same name?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 27, 2018, 06:39:04 AM
Marcus Myers and Marcus Meyer...

It sure made the live stream interesting. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2018, 04:25:52 PM
I don't envy Jay's task of keeping them straight on Friday evening.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 27, 2018, 04:48:52 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2018, 04:25:52 PM
I don't envy Jay's task of keeping them straight on Friday evening.

"Marcus Myers drives on Marcus Meyer, shot no good, rebound Marcus Meyer, no stolen away by Marcus Myers and a put-back by Marcus Myers and Marcus Meyer needs to hold on to those balls..."

Marcus Meyer has only been playing 8 minutes a game, but I would not be surprised to see him get more minutes with the speed of Marcus Myers if David Schmelter picks up a few fouls on the double team.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 27, 2018, 05:28:16 PM
Ha ha!

Yes, I'll have to make sure I do a little mental practice and work on crisp enunciation to distinguish between the Marcuses.

Keeping everything straight will be a major concern...along with the 3 basketball games to broadcast this weekend, I will also have a Wash-U baseball doubleheader vs. Buena Vista to call early Saturday afternoon, and a Sunday Wash-U softball doubleheader vs. Webster.

Lots of fun!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 27, 2018, 06:09:30 PM
You could just ask Coach Edwards to only sub in Marcus Meyer when Marcus Myers isn't on the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2018, 08:09:38 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on February 27, 2018, 05:28:16 PM
Ha ha!

Yes, I'll have to make sure I do a little mental practice and work on crisp enunciation to distinguish between the Marcuses.

Keeping everything straight will be a major concern...along with the 3 basketball games to broadcast this weekend, I will also have a Wash-U baseball doubleheader vs. Buena Vista to call early Saturday afternoon, and a Sunday Wash-U softball doubleheader vs. Webster.

Lots of fun!

I forget that baseball and softball broadcasting season starts earlier for you, because your warmer weather allows for earlier home games than we have up here.

North Park baseball has its home opener tomorrow, due to a schedule readjustment, and our program's historian believes that it is the first time in school history that NPU will be playing a home baseball game prior to St. Patrick's Day. Fortunately, the weather is cooperating; we're going to have a high of 54 degrees here tomorrow. And even if it wasn't cooperating, it'd be no skin off of my nose, as I could just keep the press box window closed while i call the game. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2018, 10:00:06 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 26, 2018, 11:56:28 AM
I did got to most conference games that Spring, but the game that hooked me was the Sweet 16 overtime win against BVU.  The atmosphere was among the best I have ever seen at this level.  Hopefan, YJak, did you guys go to that game?

That was just an awesome weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2018, 01:08:27 PM
One of the women's teams I called games for this year had a Jamese Word and Caroline Ward. Trust me... when you traditionally go by last name alone... that wasn't easy to make sure you were conveying to the audience at home the right name/pronunciation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2018, 01:38:26 PM
For me, it's siblings. When you have siblings that are teammates and you thus need to distinguish between them, it can get very cumbersome to say their full names. The Wartburg women's basketball team currently has two sets of sisters who are in the rotation, and they made calling the Wartburg @ North Park game this past season kind of a headache.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2018, 01:39:47 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2018, 01:38:26 PM
For me, it's siblings. When you have siblings that are teammates and you thus need to distinguish between them, it can get very cumbersome to say their full names. The Wartburg women's basketball team currently has two sets of sisters who are in the rotation, and they made calling the Wartburg @ North Park game this past season kind of a headache.

Agreed - that is even tougher. Felt bad for the ice hockey guys for women's ice hockey at the Olympics because the only thing worse that sisters... is twins.

BTW - same team I mentioned... also had sisters who also both shot threes. SMH
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on February 28, 2018, 01:53:25 PM
Thought UAA folks might find the Bill Simmons podcast with Scooter Braun to be interesting.  He talked about his time at Emory including playing hoops for one year before quitting to start his business (obviously the right call for him).  Alas he didn't exactly extol the D3 hoops experience.  He also noted the greatest moment of his life was when Chris Paul said he has an NBA jumper.  Too bad for Emory he didn't stick with hoops!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2018, 01:56:54 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2018, 01:39:47 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2018, 01:38:26 PM
For me, it's siblings. When you have siblings that are teammates and you thus need to distinguish between them, it can get very cumbersome to say their full names. The Wartburg women's basketball team currently has two sets of sisters who are in the rotation, and they made calling the Wartburg @ North Park game this past season kind of a headache.

Agreed - that is even tougher. Felt bad for the ice hockey guys for women's ice hockey at the Olympics because the only thing worse that sisters... is twins.

The only thing worse than twins is twin sisters who have hyphenated names that you have to pronounce really quickly becausehockeyisasportinwhichyouhavetotalkamillionmilesanhourwhendoingplaybyplay.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2018, 01:58:05 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2018, 01:56:54 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2018, 01:39:47 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2018, 01:38:26 PM
For me, it's siblings. When you have siblings that are teammates and you thus need to distinguish between them, it can get very cumbersome to say their full names. The Wartburg women's basketball team currently has two sets of sisters who are in the rotation, and they made calling the Wartburg @ North Park game this past season kind of a headache.

Agreed - that is even tougher. Felt bad for the ice hockey guys for women's ice hockey at the Olympics because the only thing worse that sisters... is twins.

The only thing worse than twins is twin sisters who have hyphenated names that you have to pronounce really quickly becausehockeyisasportinwhichyouhavetotalkamillionmilesanhourwhendoingplaybyplay.

SO freakin right. Had that experience a few weeks ago with JWHL Challenge Cup in the DC area... I struggled to say the least.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 28, 2018, 02:02:06 PM
The UAA All-Association team has been announced: http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2017-18/files/2018AllUAA.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on February 28, 2018, 02:22:28 PM
 I think the pics seem very fair. I like what they did with Knupp and Kucera —  putting Kucera on the first team, and Knupp as both second team and defensive POY.
Both have played extremely well this season.
I thought David Schmelter might have given Andrew Sanders a run for league POY, both had great seasons.
Looking forward to March Madness.  Go Bears! 🏀🐻💪
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 28, 2018, 02:36:28 PM
Here is the UAA press release:

UAA Announces Men's Basketball All-Association Team; Andrew Sanders Named Most Valuable Player (http://www.uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/2018allassociation)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 28, 2018, 03:15:52 PM
Quote from: Mr. Mo on February 28, 2018, 02:22:28 PM
I thought David Schmelter might have given Andrew Sanders a run for league POY, both had great seasons.

I know what you mean and I am not disagreeing, but I did the math and Andrew Sanders has an ever so slight advantage over the course of the conference season.

Sanders probably also gets rewarded for being so uniquely talented as compared to other forwards in the league.

On a personal note, I have been referring to Jake Knupp as an elite defender for the better part of three years now, so I am glad to know I am not completely off the mark on the things I say.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 28, 2018, 11:26:04 PM
I was just looking at the Washington University game preview and noticed a bit of trivia that I had never heard before:

ONE LAST NOTE
WashU was involved in the only forfeit in the history of the NCAA Tournament – Division I, II or III. The Bears posted a 2-0 win over Rust College on March 3, 1989, in the first round in Danville, Ky.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2018, 10:37:42 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 28, 2018, 11:26:04 PM
I was just looking at the Washington University game preview and noticed a bit of trivia that I had never heard before:

ONE LAST NOTE
WashU was involved in the only forfeit in the history of the NCAA Tournament – Division I, II or III. The Bears posted a 2-0 win over Rust College on March 3, 1989, in the first round in Danville, Ky.


http://www.d3hoops.com/archives/men/1989

We believe that was at Rose-Hulman, but slightly more detail on our 1989 tournament page.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 01, 2018, 11:17:38 AM
Thanks!  I did not realize that the tournament used to include regional third place games, but I love that idea.  It would be interesting to know just how much they saved by doing away with those.  Is that why those games went away?

Incidentally, one of my best friends was on that Monmouth team that got destroyed by UW-Whitewater in second round that season, but finished the season with a regional third place win.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 01, 2018, 12:31:40 PM
The boards are little quiet, so I thought I would post this.

The student newspaper published a story detailing the grim history of the Washington University post-season records: http://www.studlife.com/sports/2018/03/01/ghosts-of-march-past-mens-basketball-eyes-ncaa-playoff-run/

Here is a look at the postseason records since the national title runs.

2010 St. Louis
79-71 win over Westminster, 75-70 loss to Illinois Wesleyan

2011 DNQ

2012 St. Louis
71-59 win over Buena Vista, 72-68 loss to North Central

2013 St. Louis
70-61 win over Spalding, 71-67 loss to Illinois Wesleyan

2014 St. Louis
100-69 over Wilmington, 83-75 defeat to Calvin

2015 St. Louis

83-73 loss to DePauw

2016 N/A

2017 Holland, Michigan
87-72 win over Ripon, 94-80 loss to Hope
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on March 01, 2018, 03:00:00 PM
The sheer unbridled positivity of that article is inspiring.   :-\
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on March 01, 2018, 03:01:43 PM
A couple of Churchill speeches like that to send the boys off to war and they would be speaking German right now in Piccadilly.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2018, 03:10:14 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on March 01, 2018, 11:17:38 AM
Thanks!  I did not realize that the tournament used to include regional third place games, but I love that idea.  It would be interesting to know just how much they saved by doing away with those.  Is that why those games went away?

Incidentally, one of my best friends was on that Monmouth team that got destroyed by UW-Whitewater in second round that season, but finished the season with a regional third place win.

Well you save on an extra night of hotel rooms and per diem...

You also get rid of absolutely boring games. I used to be a fan of the consolation game at the final four... I then started to see how some teams just didn't care. Good riddance.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 02, 2018, 11:12:26 PM
Aurora walked away with the buzzer-beater upset of Washington University, 82-80.

What can I say about the game?  Washington University tied the game with a three-pointer from the corner, but they were slow to cover the inbounds pass and with 1.6 seconds left, Aurora knocked down the buzzer beater.  The better team won tonight. 

Aurora had a game plan...

Let Marcus Myers and Matt Dunn drive and shoot and drive and shoot.  This worked perfectly in the first half.  In the second half, Washington University made adjustments on the defensive end and the strategy became drive and kick and drive and kick.

Aurora shot 50% from three point range compared to 29% by Washington University.  Aurora did whatever they could to clog up the low post and dared Washington University to win the game from the perimeter.  That strategy worked.

Aurora out rebounded Washington University 38-32. 

Easily the most depressing stat of the game is the free-throw shooting.  Aurora shot 83%.  Washington University went 2-8 (25%) including a trip to the line with just over a minute left in which the Bears went 0-2.

Hmmmm...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 03, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
I was thinking some more about the game night...

It would be cliche to say that Aurora could have beat anyone in the nation last night, but Washington University can look back at a few of these postseason losses and wonder why they managed to bring out the best in the other opponent.  DePauw, Hope and Aurora to name a few.

Marcus Myers and Matt Dunn were easily the two toughest guards the Bears had the pleasure to play this season.

Dunn was a man on a mission in the first half.  Everything he tossed up seemed to fall.  Dunn was held to 4 second half points by some great defense, but he worked the point masterfully, holding the ball and lulling the defense to sleep before hitting the ignition.  Ty Carlson truly came alive in the second half, scoring 15 of his 18 points.

Dunn played the full 40 minutes.  Myers played 38 minutes, coming out briefly with what appeared to be a cramp before returning again.  I'll be surprised if they can do that again tonight, but I wish them luck.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2018, 08:46:56 PM
Congratulations  Emory, 83-82 winners over LeTourneau at the Woodruff.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 04, 2018, 05:23:44 AM
Congrats to Emory on advancing to the sweet 16.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2018, 05:59:48 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 07, 2018, 12:27:33 PM
Joe Nesci is retiring after 30 years at NYU.

Congratulations to Coach Nesci on a great career and best of luck in retirement.

http://gonyuathletics.com/news/2018/3/6/joe-nesci-retires-as-nyu-mens-basketball-coach.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 07, 2018, 01:20:55 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on March 07, 2018, 12:27:33 PM
Joe Nesci is retiring after 30 years at NYU.

Congratulations to Coach Nesci on a great career and best of luck in retirement.

http://gonyuathletics.com/news/2018/3/6/joe-nesci-retires-as-nyu-mens-basketball-coach.aspx

Coach Nesci did not coach at Brandeis a few weeks ago due to illness.  I am not sure that the illness is related to his sudden retirement, but I do wish him the best.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2018, 01:29:42 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on March 07, 2018, 01:20:55 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on March 07, 2018, 12:27:33 PM
Joe Nesci is retiring after 30 years at NYU.

Congratulations to Coach Nesci on a great career and best of luck in retirement.

http://gonyuathletics.com/news/2018/3/6/joe-nesci-retires-as-nyu-mens-basketball-coach.aspx

Coach Nesci did not coach at Brandeis a few weeks ago due to illness.  I am not sure that the illness is related to his sudden retirement, but I do wish him the best.

He missed games each of the last two seasons due to health concerns... I may be on a limb, but I am pretty sure those items are part of the decision.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 11, 2018, 11:42:52 PM
It is a little early, but I thought I would post a few thoughts on next season.

Congratulations to Emory on a nice postseason run to the Sweet 16.  Emory is losing four key seniors this year including two first-team all-UAA players in Adam Gigax and Whit Rapp.  They are going to be much younger and much smaller next season, but I do think they will be favored to win the league.

Rochester returns more minutes and points per game than anyone and will have something to say about that.

Washington University graduates one of the best classes since the national championship seasons, but I do think they will be in the mix.

Here is a look at the programs including key seniors lost to graduation and players who played significant minutes this season, though there are certainly more reserves who will make a name for themselves next season.

Washington University 21-6, 12-2 UAA
Key seniors: Andrew Sanders, Matt Highsmith, Jake Knupp, Kevin Kucera, David Schmelter.
Key players returning: Marcus Meyer, Matt Nester, Jack Nolan, Hank Hunter, DeVaughn Rucker

Emory 19-8, 9-5 UAA

Key seniors:  Adam Gigax, Christopher Avant, Donald Avant, and Whit Rapp.
Key players returning: Romin Williams, Beau Bommarito, Matt Davet, Gebereal Baitey and Nick Stuck.

Chicago 13-12, 9-5 UAA

Key seniors: Jake Fenlon, Collin Barthel.
Key players returning: Noah Karras, Ryan Jacobson, Justin Jackson, Ryan Sustacek, Max Jacobs, Jake Berhorst, and Jordan Baum.

Rochester, 24-5, 10-4 UAA

Key seniors: Tucker Knox
Key players returning: Jacob Wittig, Ryan Clamage, Michael Mangan, Patrick Benka, Brendan O'Shea, Alexander Gamble, and Andrew Lundstrom.

Case Western Reserve 12-13, 6-8 UAA
Key seniors: T.J. Duckett.
Key players returning: Connor Nally, Monty Khela, William FitzPatrick, Ignas Masiulionis, Sam Hansen, Michael Hollis, Michael Volkening

Carnegie Mellon 7-18, 3-11 UAA
Key seniors: Ryan Maha.
Key players returning: Colin McNeil, Seth Henry, Zach Howarth, Patrick Ehland, Zach Watson, Trent Suddeth

Brandeis 7-18, 3-11 UAA

Key seniors: Nate Meehan.
Key players returning: Eric D'Aguanno, Jake Meehan, Latye Workman, Laurence Sabir, Chandler Jones, Semih Say, Akim Sanni, and Collin Sawyer.

NYU 3-11, 2-14 UAA
Key seniors: Ross Udine.
Key players returning: Ethan Feldman, Dom Cristiano, Jule Brown, Jimmy Martinelli, Cameron Moore, Doug Gertner, Ted Georgidadis.

Here is my prediction for how the teams will finish next season.  I have the league divided in to tiers as I did two years ago, though there certainly will be a lot more balance next season.

__________
1. Emory
2. Rochester
3. Washington University
__________
4. Chicago
5. Case Western Reserve
__________
6. Carnegie Mellon
7. NYU
8. Brandeis
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mike Rejniak on March 12, 2018, 11:34:19 AM
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 17, 2018, 07:05:07 PM
Congratulations to Andrew Sanders for the various postseason accolades including being named a first-team D3Hoops.com all-American.

http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-americans/men/2018
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 21, 2018, 01:16:48 PM
Coach Edwards is officially retiring after 37 seasons as the head coach of Washington University.

http://washubears.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180321iyp0oh
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on March 21, 2018, 01:34:54 PM
Wow. What a run for him and the Bears, too bad he didn't end on a better note but they had a great season overall.

Who do the UAA and D3 elite minds think will be the top candidates for the job?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 21, 2018, 01:35:22 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on March 21, 2018, 01:34:54 PM
Wow. What a run for him and the Bears, too bad he didn't end on a better note but they had a great season overall.

Who do the UAA and D3 elite minds think will be the top candidates for the job?

Open the doors... it will be a flood of resumes there. Too hard to predict who would be good.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on March 21, 2018, 01:37:49 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 21, 2018, 01:35:22 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on March 21, 2018, 01:34:54 PM
Wow. What a run for him and the Bears, too bad he didn't end on a better note but they had a great season overall.

Who do the UAA and D3 elite minds think will be the top candidates for the job?

Open the doors... it will be a flood of resumes there. Too hard to predict who would be good.

Yeah for sure. I assume that this will be a highly coveted job for a lot of coaches out there. Is there a veteran assistant on Coach Edwards staff that may get the promotion?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 21, 2018, 01:39:56 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on March 21, 2018, 01:37:49 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 21, 2018, 01:35:22 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on March 21, 2018, 01:34:54 PM
Wow. What a run for him and the Bears, too bad he didn't end on a better note but they had a great season overall.

Who do the UAA and D3 elite minds think will be the top candidates for the job?

Open the doors... it will be a flood of resumes there. Too hard to predict who would be good.

Yeah for sure. I assume that this will be a highly coveted job for a lot of coaches out there. Is there a veteran assistant on Coach Edwards staff that may get the promotion?

I think that is also a very likely option. They didn't do it on the women's side, but I think the men have a more experienced option.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 21, 2018, 02:23:05 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on March 21, 2018, 01:34:54 PM
Wow. What a run for him and the Bears, too bad he didn't end on a better note but they had a great season overall.

I have been thinking about it and I would say that this has been one of the best regular seasons from the fan perspective in my 10 season following the team. 

Quote from: Smitty Oom on March 21, 2018, 01:34:54 PM
Yeah for sure. I assume that this will be a highly coveted job for a lot of coaches out there. Is there a veteran assistant on Coach Edwards staff that may get the promotion?

The current assistant coach has been around for 11 seasons and will be a very strong candidate.

Coach Edwards did more this season to get him out in front with in-game coaching, or so it seemed to me.

The department has poached head coaches from elite programs before.  For example, the volleyball coach was hired away from the University of Chicago after she had made her mark there.  My guess is that there only a handful of Division III programs who could have made that hire.

It should be interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 21, 2018, 02:27:30 PM
I was looking through pictures where we had staff at in this season... his assistant is running a lot of timeouts. That is usually a sign the head coach is at least helping them for something down the road... though, no guarantee ever as to where.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 21, 2018, 02:38:20 PM
I'm not terribly surprised. Isn't he 70 already? If not, I think that he'll turn 70 this year. He graduated from college in '69.

I hope that he has a long, happy, and fruitful retirement. He's earned it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 21, 2018, 03:04:08 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 21, 2018, 02:27:30 PM
I was looking through pictures where we had staff at in this season... his assistant is running a lot of timeouts. That is usually a sign the head coach is at least helping them for something down the road... though, no guarantee ever as to where.

Definitely.

Also, the head baseball coach is another example of the power of a Washington University to go out and poach another high profile head coach, though I could keep going down the line as far as new coaches and returning coaches who could have been poached by a Division I school.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on March 21, 2018, 09:42:49 PM
Caleb Lawson is the assistant.  Many thought he was the head coach in waiting, but they have said they will do a national search.  Coach Lawson should be a strong candidate — having been the primary recruiter of the existing roster.

Whomever gets the job is inheriting a strong roster of juniors and a couple of seniors with significant experience — not to mention the Central Region freshman of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 21, 2018, 09:48:14 PM
Quote from: Mr. Mo on March 21, 2018, 09:42:49 PM
Caleb Lawson is the assistant.  Many thought he was the head coach in waiting, but they have said they will do a national search.  Coach Lawson should be a strong candidate — having been the primary recruiter of the entire roster.

Whomever gets the job is inheriting a strong roster of juniors and a couple of seniors with significant experience — not to mention the UAA freshman of the year.

Well there is a good chance Lawson still gets the job, but I don't know many schools that don't say "national search" when they have an opening. It is rare to find wording otherwise, though it happens.

While Lawson may be a good choice, WashU would honestly be crazy not to do a national search. There could be a number of coaches that might be interested that may be good fits for WashU. They should at least look and see what is out there to make sure it is the right choice. If not, they can certainly choose Lawson if they are comfortable.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 21, 2018, 10:36:38 PM
Emory has the freshman of the year actually.

Hard to know with an Athletic Director who is just starting his second year on campus, but I like Lawson a lot for the job.

Having said that, Washington University has engaged in serious nationwide searches for every high profile job since the new VP hired on a few years ago.  This will not be different.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on March 21, 2018, 11:16:14 PM
You are correct.  I should have said Central Region.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 22, 2018, 12:06:44 AM
I missed that...that is a big honor.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 22, 2018, 12:04:39 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 28, 2018, 04:55:10 PM
I am not sure if I have ever seen the 2018-2019 Washington University basketball schedule this early, but here it is: http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2018-19/schedule

Washington University has a few teams on the schedule that they have not seen in a while including Illinois College and Pomona-Pitzer (Lopata Classic).  The Bears have a 16-3 record against Illinois College and a 8-3 record against Pomona-Pitzer.

The schedule has at least three TBA dates on the schedule including the one game in the Lopata Classic and two games in the Carroll College Pioneer Tip-Off.

Illinois Wesleyan, Principia and Fontbonne will visit the Field House for home games with away games at Webster, Augustana and Westminster.

HOLY COW! LOOK AT THAT!  The league is going to be crazy from the start with what should be the top 4 teams playing each other for the first three games of the season.

The travel teams play each other on January 5 with Washington University at Chicago and Rochester at Emory.  Emory and Rochester travel to St. Louis and Chicago on January 11 and 13. 

My prediction is that no one will make it through the second weekend without at least one loss.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 30, 2018, 11:48:47 AM
Austin Claunch was hired as the next coach of Nicholls State University.

Claunch has quite the playing career at Emory.

https://www.geauxcolonels.com/news/2018/3/29/austin-claunch-selected-as-colonels-12th-head-mens-basketball-coach.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 30, 2018, 01:15:58 PM
Claunch is a young man in a hurry. I wouldn't be surprised if he's now the youngest head coach in D1.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 30, 2018, 02:35:13 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 30, 2018, 01:15:58 PM
Claunch is a young man in a hurry. I wouldn't be surprised if he's now the youngest head coach in D1.

If he was 21 when he graduated, he gets in as the youngest by a couple years, assuming no one younger has been hired.

https://herosports.com/college-basketball/youngest-coaches-division-1-mens-basketball-byby
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 05, 2018, 11:11:18 AM
This was posted on hoopdirt.com yesterday:

Quote* Phone interviews have started at DIII NYU this week. I have heard that at least 10 coaches will be interviewed. The group includes Patriot and Ivy league assistants, current DIII head coaches, and a few randos. More on this one as I hear it.

* I have heard that DIII Washington University in St. Louis met with five candidates at the Final Four. I heard that a Big West assistant, an Ivy League assistant, and a WIAC head coach are all involved.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on April 05, 2018, 11:23:40 AM
Nothing says breaking news in the Coaching Carousel like "a few randos"  ;D :D :o ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 05, 2018, 12:44:56 PM
I may be wrong, but I would assume that every institution with an opening met with five or more candidates at the Final Four.  The Washington University job opening closes this week, so I have to think there will be a few more Division III head coaches involved before it is all over.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 05, 2018, 04:03:31 PM
I got names from a source that I trust more than whatever HoopDirt is reporting (he's been off with other DIII job this year)...

I am not sure about the job being closed this week, except to say from what I've gathered ... they are much further along with this than to have the job still open. If it is open, that's interesting... but I don't think it will affect things.

Mark Edwards talked about the future candidate on our final Hoopsville show. He talks about how the process will evolve and what he hopes. I do know a company was hired to assist in the process.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blooter442 on April 05, 2018, 04:05:50 PM
First time posting on the men's hoops boards, but a longtime participant on D3boards, mostly in men's soccer.

Anyway, just got word that Brandeis terminated head coach Brian Meehan earlier this week following an internal investigation of harassment and discrimination allegations. Below is a letter from University President Ron Liebowitz posted to the University Facebook page which I would imagine will end up on other platforms as well.

Dear Brandeis Community,

No one at Brandeis should ever have to experience discrimination or harassment from any other member of this community. The university is committed to responding promptly, vigorously, and effectively once notified of any act of discrimination or harassment, and forbids retaliation against any individual who comes forward with a good-faith complaint.

Last year, several students filed serious discrimination complaints about Brandeis' men's head basketball coach, alleging preferential and discriminatory treatment, unprofessional behavior, and racially biased harassment. Brandeis, like all employers, has processes that must be followed in investigating complaints against employees, and employees have a right to due process. In this case, the complaints were investigated, and disciplinary action was taken.

Earlier this week, a new complaint was brought against the coach, and he was placed on immediate administrative leave. In light of the new complaint, we began a thorough examination and review of the prior incidents. As a result of this complaint and that review, the coach's employment with Brandeis has now been terminated.

This incident underscores the need for us to regularly review policies and procedures dealing with the safety and well-being of all members of our community, and we are doing so now.

I am deeply disturbed by these complaints. I want to be absolutely clear: At Brandeis, there is zero tolerance for discriminating against any student, staff member, faculty member, or visitor because of their race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, gender, or any other aspect of their identity. You can and should read our official non-discrimination policy but this goes beyond policy. It is also very important to me that students, staff, and faculty members know where they can go if they feel they have experienced any type of discrimination. Please see the first comment below for the page of resources available to our community for that information.

Respect for our varied identities, for our similarities and our differences, is an absolute value at Brandeis. It is non-negotiable. The only way our community can attain our educational mission is if we can all assume an atmosphere of mutual respect.

Sincerely,

Ron
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 05, 2018, 04:41:03 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 05, 2018, 04:03:31 PM
I am not sure about the job being closed this week, except to say from what I've gathered ... they are much further along with this than to have the job still open. If it is open, that's interesting... but I don't think it will affect things.

The job posting had the job open through this week if I remember correctly. 

That obviously does not mean that they do not have someone else in mind, but it certainly could mean that they are not as far along as you have heard.  Hard to know.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 05, 2018, 04:42:09 PM
I was told they had their finalists in place... anything is possible, but my sources tend to be on it more than I ever realize. Who knows why two different messages... the finalists list could also be just a targets list.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 05, 2018, 04:44:36 PM
Thanks for sharing the report from Brandeis.

Hate to hear that story.

That may explain why a few of the players did not return from last season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 05, 2018, 04:46:22 PM
Not sure if this got shared last year: http://brandeishoot.com/2017/04/28/mens-basketball-faces-a-series-of-player-departures/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 05, 2018, 04:51:02 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 05, 2018, 04:46:22 PM
Not sure if this got shared last year: http://brandeishoot.com/2017/04/28/mens-basketball-faces-a-series-of-player-departures/

That is interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blooter442 on April 05, 2018, 05:47:25 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on April 05, 2018, 04:44:36 PM
Thanks for sharing the report from Brandeis.

Hate to hear that story.

That may explain why a few of the players did not return from last season.

Yeah, a shame for all involved. Obviously the players were the ones who underwent the harassment/discrimination, and the coach made his bed with his actions, but still just not a pleasant thing to have hanging around a program.

Did not see the story from The Hoot, but it sure does provide some context. I am sure we'll know more soon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: txg on April 05, 2018, 08:15:42 PM
https://deadspin.com/ill-ship-you-back-to-africa-the-full-story-behind-br-1822668443
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 05, 2018, 09:28:50 PM
Good article, although it erroneously said that Meehan took Brandeis to the Final Four. The Judges have never made it to the Final Four; they've reached the Elite Eight four times (1975, 1978, 2008, and 2010), but each time they've lost the quarterfinal.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 05, 2018, 10:22:43 PM
Quote from: txg on April 05, 2018, 08:15:42 PM
https://deadspin.com/ill-ship-you-back-to-africa-the-full-story-behind-br-1822668443

Thanks for sharing...

It is Division III week of course and so the NCAA has been sharing story after story as to why students (and coaches and administrators) chose Division III.  Then there is this story.  Terrible.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: txg on April 06, 2018, 04:20:26 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on April 05, 2018, 09:28:50 PM
Good article, although it erroneously said that Meehan took Brandeis to the Final Four. The Judges have never made it to the Final Four; they've reached the Elite Eight four times (1975, 1978, 2008, and 2010), but each time they've lost the quarterfinal.

Yes.  Also the technical foul story is wrong.  I was confused by it because it said the coach's son came off the bench to shoot the free throws, which isn't allowed.  So I looked up the play-by-play, and that happened at the 14 minute mark of the second half, not right before halftime.  And Player 1 didn't come out of the game at that time.

I guess it ultimately doesn't matter.  Clearly there was inappropriate behavior by the coach at that game that was witnessed by multiple people.  It just seems sloppy to me (not a journalist, just an insomniac).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blooter442 on April 06, 2018, 09:53:38 AM
Quote from: txg on April 06, 2018, 04:20:26 AM
Yes.  Also the technical foul story is wrong.  I was confused by it because it said the coach's son came off the bench to shoot the free throws, which isn't allowed.  So I looked up the play-by-play, and that happened at the 14 minute mark of the second half, not right before halftime.  And Player 1 didn't come out of the game at that time.

I guess it ultimately doesn't matter.  Clearly there was inappropriate behavior by the coach at that game that was witnessed by multiple people.  It just seems sloppy to me (not a journalist, just an insomniac).

I did the same thing as far as looking up the game play-by-play. That being said, I did look up the foul shooting record of player 1, and -- while he had hit 15 of 17 not 17 of 19 -- that 2-free-throw differential was consistent.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 06, 2018, 10:19:26 AM
Not to mention the fact the technical happened when the half was winding up rather than winding down.  Lots of time left in that game.  Interestingly, the author did get the Meehan Elite Eight records correct in the conclusion.

I do feel bad for the Meehan family.  The articles complain of nepotism and the examples they provide are certainly plausible, but Nate Meehan was a good player who had 5 players ahead of him in minutes per game this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 10, 2018, 11:21:10 AM
Just to follow up... I'm told NYU has coaches on campus this week and maybe into next as the coaching search enters it's final process. I have been given a number of names, but not releasing them as of yet.

As for WashU, I'm told they are into the phone interviews part of the coaching search. Again, have names - and a few extras added - but not going to mention. Per my finalists comment, those are names I am told the school is most interested in, but that doesn't mean others won't enter the mix.

As you can guess... both jobs have attracted some very good coaches.

Brandeis... has a lot of coaches wondering what to do. I think some are leery considering the news and now the investigation. Also unsure what the situation with the AD means in the short and long run. I think others think it is a great opportunity to help get the program back into the UAA and national mix.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 11, 2018, 10:40:53 AM
I was thinking about the NYU job and it reminded me of a story that I posted here years ago about the history of NYU basketball and how they used to play to sellout crowds at the Madison Square Garden: https://nyulocal.com/the-history-of-nyu-basketball-you-didnt-know-c981f1cf0e4

NYU may not be playing to sell out crowds any more (or worry about whether their players are on the take), but the job is definitely a good job that gets much better with the new facility.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 12, 2018, 12:44:08 PM
Of note... that new facility doesn't sound like it will be online until 2022 - and that date has been pushed back a few times if memory serves. In other words, how much is that a selling point right now when there are three seasons - minimum - until it is even a reality?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 12, 2018, 01:32:17 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 12, 2018, 12:44:08 PM
Of note... that new facility doesn't sound like it will be online until 2022 - and that date has been pushed back a few times if memory serves. In other words, how much is that a selling point right now when there are three seasons - minimum - until it is even a reality?

I thought that the facility was going to open in phases beginning in 2021, but I am not surprised to hear that it has been pushed back.  The building is going to open for much more than athletics.

I guess I see the NYU job as a career job and that whomever gets it will be there for the long haul.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 12, 2018, 02:39:15 PM
Last I heard... 2022, but the timeline could be shifting constantly. Remember, it also started demo more than a year after it was scheduled to start in the first place.

Yes, I think NYU is a career job and whoever hired is probably there for the long haul. I think that makes it a bit more challenging a hiring pool AND process. The school probably doesn't want anyone to use them as a springboard, either (some schools understand their roles on all levels).

My thinking is this: if the facility is that far off and we are talking about someone looking to make this a career position... how much does the facility really weigh on the decision. I agree that it has a role and I can totally see how some feel it is major part. I guess I just see it the other way... three years isn't around the corner. One has to make a decision on this job with that facility not being a major piece of the equation - especially since the start date has changed quite a few times. Their decision should probably come down to other factors.

Other note: most are fully aware the gym is part of a larger building... just like the old facility. This is for athletics, dorms, and more for NYU - not just athletics.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 12, 2018, 04:43:10 PM
I understand your way of thinking.

As to the part about the building being multipurpose (including faculty dorm-apartments, which is exceedingly rare), I figured that was common knowledge.  I mention that only because it has likely slowed down the process.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 12, 2018, 04:48:16 PM
Unfortunately, the allegations against Coach Meehan are getting worse according to the latest from Deadspin: https://deadspin.com/it-took-five-years-of-complaints-about-racism-for-brand-1825112459
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 12, 2018, 05:39:40 PM
It's hard to believe that someone could get away with using the anti-Semitic slur "Jew Boy" at Brandeis, of all places.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on April 14, 2018, 11:50:35 AM
Regarding the Wash U coaching situation... the longer the search process goes on, the more nervous current assistant and supposed candidate Caleb Lawson must be getting..

My opinion... and nothing against Caleb Lawson... I wonder if a top D3 program like Wash U is ready to hire a relatively young guy with NO head coaching experience... As much credit as A guy like Caleb gets for all the behind the scenes contributions he has made to Wash U's program, he has never been faced with taking direct responsibility for winning and losing games.. it's a whole different job... I would think a head coaching job anywhere else would serve Caleb Lawson's career very well... Which brings to mind Tim Whittle, who was the primary assistant at Wash U when they won two NCAA championships... He went on to take the unenviable task of coaching Macalester, and recently resigned that position with a dismal W/L record... yet, could the decision makers feel the head coaching experience there coupled with his success at Wash U might make him a candidate to consider?  (Granted, I don't have any knowledge that he even applied)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on April 15, 2018, 10:08:30 PM
Point taken, but I am still pulling for him.  He has clearly showed that he can recruit and game plan.  He is well versed in WashU's unique culture.

I would like to see him to get the chance to prove himself as a head coach.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on April 15, 2018, 10:14:28 PM
WashU's last head coach didn't have any head coaching experience when he was hired either.

He seemed to work out okay.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 15, 2018, 10:36:19 PM
True, although the Wash U program has changed just a bit since then.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on April 15, 2018, 11:04:51 PM
If Newton's first law applies to basketball, it should be easier then.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 16, 2018, 09:32:56 AM
That is the challenge of hiring an assistant over a head coach.

The Washington University job went from being a job at an institution did not want varsity athletics to being one of the best jobs in college basketball (outside of Division I) with salary being a big part of that equation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 16, 2018, 09:38:17 AM
I have one more post about next season ready to go and in that post I made a point about the league becoming a more guard oriented league next season.  That is generally still true, but NYU did pick up a 6-9 forward out of California: http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/cade-hoppe/kN_Ku8OAEeS-8KA2nzwbTA/default.htm
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on April 16, 2018, 10:24:57 PM
Whomever gets the WashU job will be getting a talented young team.  Even though only Nolan and Reinmiller started games last year, a number of the returners played quality minutes.

I am looking forward to seeing what can become of this rising junior class.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: AndOne on April 16, 2018, 11:32:28 PM
WASH U RECRUIT

Kam Mack of Jacobs HS in Algonquin, IL Has committed to Wash U.
Mack, a SG in HS, probably projects as a wing or true SF in college. He is 6'6" and weights in at 180.
He had narrowed his choices to WU, Augustana, and IL Wesleyan.
12.1 PPG
4.4 RPG
44.8 FG%
31.4 3 PT%
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 17, 2018, 09:39:06 AM
Not everyday that you see players committing to institutions that have no head coach.

NYU also has a recruit out of Chicago: http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-county-news-sun/sports/ct-lns-spt-boys-basketball-deerfield-alex-casieri-st-0413-story.html

http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/alex-casieri/2zBHWpPeEeW-8KA2nzwbTA/default.htm
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: USee on April 17, 2018, 12:56:50 PM
Sounds like NYU has made their choice....announcement coming shortly
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 17, 2018, 01:06:20 PM
Thanks...I kinda figured that after seeing the latest commitment.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Riley056 on April 17, 2018, 01:39:14 PM
Any ideas on who NYU is going with?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 17, 2018, 04:20:54 PM
Quote from: USee on April 17, 2018, 12:56:50 PM
Sounds like NYU has made their choice....announcement coming shortly

According to those I've talked to ... no official announcement coming shortly.

Not sure where this particular person got any intel... I actually suspect there is some fishing going on here. I do sense they are close and there is an outside chance they have asked someone... but nothing I have been able to determine indicates an announcement is coming "shortly."

Quote from: Riley056 on April 17, 2018, 01:39:14 PM
Any ideas on who NYU is going with?

The names I heard in the mix had a wide variety. I am actually interested to see who they selected because it was across the board in terms of backgrounds and such.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 17, 2018, 04:29:48 PM
For the record, I don't think WashU is taking a longer time than normal on making this decision. If anything, they are going a little faster than most. Compare the process to NYU. NYU had a couple of weeks head start on WashU and they are apparently now ready to announce a new coach (or at the very least, the announcement is coming soon). WashU, from what I have been told, has finalists on campus this week and could announce just as soon. That means WashU has taken a shorter period of time than NYU (who had finalists on campus last week) in this process.

No matter if you want the assistant to get the job or not, WashU can't just fast-track the job to that individual. They are the type of institution with a program of high regard that they have to dot their Is and cross their Ts. They have to do their due diligence with this process. It is one of the top ten jobs (if not top five) in Division III, I would argue. You don't just automatically turn the keys over to the assistant. You will also get a LARGE number of coaches who would love to take over the program.

In the long-run, the assistant may still get the job, but they have to make sure the process bears that out. If they did it shorter, there would be plenty of calls that WashU didn't do a good job making sure he was the right choice.

Even Mark Edwards admitted that while he would love to have his assistant get the job, WashU will go through the process properly and look for the best candidate available.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: rlk on April 17, 2018, 04:45:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 15, 2018, 10:36:19 PM
True, although the Wash U program has changed just a bit since then.

Even quite early on in his tenure, they were serious.  I was at the inaugural Lopata Classic in 1984, as MIT team manager, and it was obvious then that Washington meant business with their basketball program.  They did an absolutely fabulous job with the tournament (which they won); the other participants were Johns Hopkins, Caltech, and us.  They were great hosts and I learned a lot from the experience for when we hosted our own tournament in 1986.  Their brand new fieldhouse was one of the nicest facilities I've seen in D3, perhaps second only to Salem which of course I only saw almost 30 years later.  Assuming that that fieldhouse took at least a few years to design and construct, they obviously intended from the beginning to be a real force.

Edwards of course has had a superb career, but it's not taking anything away from his accomplishments to say that I believe that the expectations (and support) were high going in, and he had to start from scratch.  This wasn't a case of a school with a sleepy program rescued and rebuilt by a coach; it was a top notch school that wanted an athletics program to match its academic standards.  So yes, it's different in that whomever they hire will be stepping into big shoes, but I don't think WU would have accepted anything less than a first rate program from the get-go.

As an aside, we met Caltech in the consolation game (after losing narrowly to Hopkins), the first time the two schools had ever played.  The schools have a fierce rivalry, but not particularly in athletics (usually it's what we call hacking and they call pranking -- little stuff, you know, like moving a large Spanish-American War cannon 3000 miles to the east), but while there was a fairly good MIT crowd, there were very few Caltech fans that I can recall.  We were asleep in the first half, and after trailing most of it, we were up 27-22 at the half.  They scored two quick baskets to start the second half, then we woke up and won 71-46.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 17, 2018, 05:54:56 PM
+1 Thanks for sharing that story.  It is interesting to think of the Field House as brand new and one of the nicest facilities. I wish you could see the addition of the Sumers Recreation Center.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: USee on April 17, 2018, 11:09:07 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 17, 2018, 04:20:54 PM
Quote from: USee on April 17, 2018, 12:56:50 PM
Sounds like NYU has made their choice....announcement coming shortly

According to those I've talked to ... no official announcement coming shortly.

Not sure where this particular person got any intel... I actually suspect there is some fishing going on here. I do sense they are close and there is an outside chance they have asked someone... but nothing I have been able to determine indicates an announcement is coming "shortly."

Quote from: Riley056 on April 17, 2018, 01:39:14 PM
Any ideas on who NYU is going with?

The names I heard in the mix had a wide variety. I am actually interested to see who they selected because it was across the board in terms of backgrounds and such.

Are you suggesting I am fishing? If so, you are wrong....again.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 18, 2018, 08:05:17 AM
No, not you. Unless you are the person on Twitter who yesterday said an announcement was imminent.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: USee on April 18, 2018, 09:22:37 AM
aaaah. That definitely wasn't me. I stopped reading Twitter last fall as you know.  :o
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 18, 2018, 01:32:40 PM
Yep. Not you, USee... the individual who tweeted it. I have gotten confirmation the tweet wasn't exactly 100% accurate.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 18, 2018, 01:58:30 PM
HoopDirt = Voldemort
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 18, 2018, 04:35:41 PM
NYU also received a commitment from 6-8 Harrison Whatley.

The Violets are getting bigger and taller.

http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/harrison-whatley/dY_WMYWZEeW-8KA2nzwbTA/default.htm
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 19, 2018, 03:48:39 PM
Voldemort is calling the NYU hire as former Violets assistant Dagan Nelson.

https://hoopdirt.com/diii-dirt-nyu-set-tab-former-assistant-new-head-coach/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 19, 2018, 04:09:08 PM
I was alerted this morning of the NYU decision, but not in away I/we could report. I am sure my fishing around for more concrete information may have tipped off "Voldemort."

He once again says "announcement coming shortly." That's short-hand for ... he doesn't know when it will be announced. I have it on good authority, he didn't know the name or the announcement timeline a couple of days ago.

He and I chat from time to time... I may mention (if he isn't reading this already), that on this search he felt more haphazard than he normally does. I don't think it was a good tactic.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 19, 2018, 04:25:48 PM
I only follow HoopDirt at the end of each season and I know nothing of his business model, but it seems as though he would have an incentive to news and updates more quickly than you even if the updates are not fully substantiated.

By the way, do you have any thoughts on the hire?

Coach Nelson did not have a great record (or even a good record) at New Paltz in his only stint as a college head coach, but I know nothing about the SUNY schools.  It may have been the wrong job at the wrong time and so on.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 19, 2018, 04:31:37 PM
Here is the presser from NYU: http://www.gonyuathletics.com/news/2018/4/19/nelson-hired-as-mens-basketball-head-coach.aspx

Quote from: WUPHF on April 19, 2018, 04:25:48 PM
I only follow HoopDirt at the end of each season and I know nothing of his business model, but it seems as though he would have an incentive to news and updates more quickly than you even if the updates are not fully substantiated.

Yeah... I am going to stick to how I'm supposed to gather and report... which means having my ducks in a row along with confirmation from sources. He tends to go on the fly and doesn't have to worry about what we have to worry about news wise.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on April 19, 2018, 07:45:33 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 19, 2018, 04:31:37 PM
Here is the presser from NYU: http://www.gonyuathletics.com/news/2018/4/19/nelson-hired-as-mens-basketball-head-coach.aspx

Quote from: WUPHF on April 19, 2018, 04:25:48 PM
I only follow HoopDirt at the end of each season and I know nothing of his business model, but it seems as though he would have an incentive to news and updates more quickly than you even if the updates are not fully substantiated.

Yeah... I am going to stick to how I'm supposed to gather and report... which means having my ducks in a row along with confirmation from sources. He tends to go on the fly and doesn't have to worry about what we have to worry about news wise.
or, the difference between journalism and "fake news"  ;D :( :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 19, 2018, 09:57:45 PM
... I'm not a fan of that phrase... but I'll digress.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 20, 2018, 03:50:54 PM
As an addendum to my post a few weeks ago, here is quick look at how my top four teams might look in terms of positions next season.  I included minutes per game from this season for those who averaged 10+ because three of the four teams will look so different next season.  I reserve the right to be wrong about positioning.

As for as the league outlook is concerned, Massey had the UAA as the No. 2 conference in the division three seasons ago.  No. 7 last season.  And, No. 17 in the final rankings this season.  The league may fall further next season.

Emory

The sophomore class is going to pay big dividends for Coach Zimmerman for the next three seasons.  Bank on it.  There will be little margin for error so key to the league championship may be a road win in Rochester to begin league play. 

1. Gebereal Baitey (Sr, 29 mpg), Nick Stuck (So)
2. Romin Williams (So, 22 mpg), Clay Washburn (So)
3. Beau Bommarito (Sr, 26 mpg)
4. Lawrence Rowley (So)
5. Matt Davet (So, 13 mpg)

Rochester

The senior class is going to try to prove that they belong in the annals of Rochester history and they may well do it. 

1. Jacob Wittig, (Sr, 30 mpg)
2. Michael Mangan (Sr, 24 mpg), Brendan O'Shea (Sr, 16 mpg)
3. Ryan Clamage (Sr, 28 mpg)
4. Andrew Lundstrom (Sr, 18 mpg), Jacob Urban (Jr, 18 mpg)
5. Patrick Benka (Sr, 20 mpg)

Washington University

Coach Edwards leaves behind a roster that should be in the mix for the title.  Matt Nester and Jack Nolan will unquestionably be one of the best 1-2 combos in the region next season.  This team has the tools to play much faster, transition-oriented game than usual.

1. Matt Nester (Jr, 10 mpg), Ethan Block (So)
2. Jack Nolan (So), Louis Reinmiller (Jr)
3. DeVaughn Rucker (Jr), Micky Bell (Jr)
4. Hank Hunter (Jr), Jack Wiernicki (Sr)
5. Marcus Meyer (Sr)

Chicago

Coach McGrath played a deep bench with a lot of combinations this season.  He definitely has depth combing back. 

PG: Jordan Baum (Jr, 30 mpg), Max Jacobs (Sr, 14 mpg)
SG: Noah Karras (Jr, 24 mpg), Jake Berhorst (Jr, 10 mpg)
SF: Justin Jackson (Sr, 21 mpg), Cole Schmitz (Jr, 8 mpg)
PF: Ryan Jacobsen (Sr, 21 mpg)
C: Sam Sustacek (Jr, 10 mpg)

_________________

Chances are good that I have someone in the wrong position or left someone out. Let me know.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 24, 2018, 03:45:36 PM
Washington University has two commitments from earlier in the season...

Kam Mack, Jacobs High School (IL)
www.hudl.com/profile/8684664

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuSrK7KDyDA

David Windley, Brentwood High School (TN)
www.maxpreps.com/athlete/david-windley/WAQPPI-hEeW.../basketball-stats.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfZbnnhaiww
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 24, 2018, 03:55:56 PM
Emory has a committment from JJ Halaby, Loyola Blakefield (MD)
www.maxpreps.com/athlete/jj-halaby/hqN54Y-8EeW-8KA2nzwbTA/default.htm
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 26, 2018, 05:27:47 PM
Looks like Voldemort thinks he believes he knows the front runner for the Washington University job and expects and official announcement soon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on April 27, 2018, 12:06:28 AM
I hope he has it wrong.  If you are going to hire someone with no head coaching experience, why not hire the guy you know and who recruited the entire roster?
I would also hire an ambitious young coach, rather than a career assistant.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on April 27, 2018, 12:13:55 AM
To say nothing of rewarding eleven years of loyalty to the program.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on April 28, 2018, 08:44:35 AM
This article notes a great pick-up out of Vermont for UChicago, Sebastjian Skoko:

https://newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/hicks-sells-kingsley-headline-latest-commitment-catch-up?platform=hootsuite

And here are some highlights of Skoko.  Looks like a very athletic combo guard:

https://youtu.be/mv9A86dTpcc
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 30, 2018, 11:53:37 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on April 26, 2018, 05:27:47 PM
Looks like Voldemort thinks he believes he knows the front runner for the Washington University job and expects and official announcement soon.

For the record... I have been following this behind the scenes for weeks. I am not sure "Voldemort" has a lot right. He hints at things I know to be true, but will not report for a lot of reasons. He also says "announcement" soon and I am quite confident when he wrote that ... no announcement was pending.

I also checked with some sources... some of the info wasn't adding up.

It is now Monday... no announcement has been made. Nothing I can tell indicates an announcement is "soon" even now.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 01, 2018, 10:53:05 AM
Quote from: nescac1 on April 28, 2018, 08:44:35 AM
And here are some highlights of Skoko.  Looks like a very athletic combo guard:

https://youtu.be/mv9A86dTpcc

Thanks for sharing.  This may be the most impressive UAA highlight video I have ever seen, though that certainly has something to do with the videos I have watched.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 01, 2018, 10:55:13 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 30, 2018, 11:53:37 AM
For the record... I have been following this behind the scenes for weeks.

You may eventually get scooped by HoopDirt on this hire, but do not worry, everyone still sees D3Hoops.com as the end all and be all of Division III basketball news and commentary.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2018, 02:50:03 PM
He won't scoop me ... he may "report" it first (technically he has tried already), but that isn't because he scooped me .. I just choose to make sure to have it accurate and from sources I can report with rather than ... the rumor mill.

I also have to give up sometimes an advantage to confirm information. That just helps us prep our coverage instead of being the first. Oh well... rather be accurate than spread something that is either not accurate or misleading.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2018, 05:07:06 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on May 01, 2018, 10:55:13 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 30, 2018, 11:53:37 AM
For the record... I have been following this behind the scenes for weeks.

You may eventually get scooped by HoopDirt on this hire, but do not worry, everyone still sees D3Hoops.com as the end all and be all of Division III basketball news and commentary.

I feel pretty confident... his report was actually wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2018, 05:18:53 PM
Now I know he was wrong ... way, way wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 01, 2018, 05:26:12 PM

http://washubears.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180501oiw3u7
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: AndOne on May 01, 2018, 05:31:13 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on April 24, 2018, 03:45:36 PM
Washington University has two commitments from earlier in the season...

Kam Mack, Jacobs High School (IL)
www.hudl.com/profile/8684664

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuSrK7KDyDA

David Windley, Brentwood High School (TN)
www.maxpreps.com/athlete/david-windley/WAQPPI-hEeW.../basketball-stats.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfZbnnhaiww
Quote from: AndOne on April 16, 2018, 11:32:28 PM
WASH U RECRUIT

Kam Mack of Jacobs HS in Algonquin, IL Has committed to Wash U.
Mack, a SG in HS, probably projects as a wing or true SF in college. He is 6'6" and weights in at 180.
He had narrowed his choices to WU, Augustana, and IL Wesleyan.
12.1 PPG
4.4 RPG
44.8 FG%
31.4 3 PT%

Highlight videos are nice but as any coach will tell you, nobody is going to include anything but top plays in a video. Thats why they prefer film of complete games as they, combined with player stats, are what gives the coach a complete picture of a player. Complete game film shows a player's  deficiencies as well as his strengths, and stats reflect bottom line performance.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 01, 2018, 05:44:34 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2018, 05:18:53 PM
Now I know he was wrong ... way, way wrong.

Not really, he had a front runner but also said a guy from the Midwest. Pat Juckem may have been that guy.

Welcome Coach Juckem.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2018, 05:49:19 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on May 01, 2018, 05:44:34 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2018, 05:18:53 PM
Now I know he was wrong ... way, way wrong.

Not really, he had a front runner but also said a guy from the Midwest. Pat Juckem may have been that guy.

Welcome Coach Juckem.

No... I've done my research on this. He claimed there was a choice... it was wrong. Anytime there are five finalists, you can make a claim they are all "front runners." However, he claimed one person while being vague on who three other individuals were.

It was incorrect information... and the announcement was not coming "soon."

Pat Juckem may have been the guy he was referring to, but he didn't name him like he named the "selection."

I know who the names were, Juckem was one of those names.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 01, 2018, 05:55:28 PM
Wait, what? Juckem? Wow! What a steal.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 01, 2018, 06:01:07 PM
But he did say "a WIAC coach" in his first post. That would have been a good guess regardless.  And the announcement did come what two or three business days later?

No matter...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2018, 06:59:26 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on May 01, 2018, 06:01:07 PM
But he did say "a WIAC coach" in his first post. That would have been a good guess regardless.  And the announcement did come what two or three business days later?

No matter...

Here is his quote last Thursday morning:

QuoteI have heard that George Mason assistant coach Dane Fischer is the leader at DIII Washington University in Saint Louis. Fischer has been with Dave Paulson at GMU since 2015, and also worked for him at Bucknell and Williams College. There are also three current DIII head coaches in the final group – one from New England, one from the Midwest, and one from  Pacific Northwest, as well as current WashU assistant coach Caleb Lawson. I've heard that an official announcement is expected soon.

First off... everything I've been told, Fischer was not the leader in the search. Sorry to be blunt, but it isn't true.

Secondly, he is more than vague about who the three coaches are and does not mention the WIAC. I know that the coach from the WIAC was misnamed in numerous rumors that got to me.

And "expected soon" doesn't mean four "business days" and five actual (because, there are no business days in athletics) later. He uses this as a throw away line ... all of the time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tomt4525 on May 01, 2018, 09:43:55 PM
St Charles East 2018 SF Justin Hardy has committed to Washington University in St Louis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 01, 2018, 10:03:10 PM
Quote from: AndOne on May 01, 2018, 05:31:13 PM
Highlight videos are nice but as any coach will tell you, nobody is going to include anything but top plays in a video. Thats why they prefer film of complete games as they, combined with player stats, are what gives the coach a complete picture of a player. Complete game film shows a player's  deficiencies as well as his strengths, and stats reflect bottom line performance.

I agree, though coaches will look at highlight videos to see if they want to learn more about the player.  I do know one former coach at Washington University who received hundreds of highlight videos and he watched them all.

No coaches are looking to the UAA thread for information on prospective recruits, but the fans may be interested.

I forgot that you had posted about Kam Mack way back when.

As for videos, the Justin Hardy buzzer beater video is worth watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuVT3_4O2L0

Today is the final day to deposit so yet another Hardy buzzer beater.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 01, 2018, 10:11:29 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2018, 06:59:26 PM
First off... everything I've been told, Fischer was not the leader in the search.

Was he a candidate?

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2018, 06:59:26 PM
Secondly, he is more than vague about who the three coaches are and does not mention the WIAC. I know that the coach from the WIAC was misnamed in numerous rumors that got to me.

HoopDirt had at least two blog posts on the search and the first mentioned a WIAC candidate.

But I could not care less about any of the rest of this.

Voldemort is only relevant to coaching changes and therefore, after Brandeis, will hopefully not be named in this thread for a long time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: AndOne on May 01, 2018, 10:16:18 PM
Quote from: tomt4525 on May 01, 2018, 09:43:55 PM
St Charles East 2018 SF Justin Hardy has committed to Washington University in St Louis.

Good one tom.
At one point in the season Hardy had three D2 offers, and a (small) D1 offer, plus a couple of NAIAs. He may have even picked up one or two more D1 and/or D2 offers prior to the end of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2018, 10:23:21 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on May 01, 2018, 10:11:29 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2018, 06:59:26 PM
First off... everything I've been told, Fischer was not the leader in the search.

Was he a candidate?


Yes.

Quote from: WUPHF on May 01, 2018, 10:11:29 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2018, 06:59:26 PM
Secondly, he is more than vague about who the three coaches are and does not mention the WIAC. I know that the coach from the WIAC was misnamed in numerous rumors that got to me.

HoopDirt had at least two blog posts on the search and the first mentioned a WIAC candidate.

But I could not care less about any of the rest of this.

Voldemort is only relevant to coaching changes and therefore, after Brandeis, will hopefully not be named in this thread for a long time.

His first post, I quickly found out, was WAY out of left field. WashU hadn't closed the search, I had heard quite different information, and was told by a few that what he had was wildly inaccurate.

He was way off with the Gettysburg search, the NYU search he floundered for a bit, and some other this year. He has been off, which is odd because usually he does a better job of at least nailing down his information.

As for Brandeis... surprisingly quiet out of there. The fact the AD has been benched and there is an investigation going on makes that search... interesting. I also don't see an opening for the job on their website. I may have missed it, but ...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 02, 2018, 12:53:59 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2018, 10:23:21 PM
As for Brandeis... surprisingly quiet out of there. The fact the AD has been benched and there is an investigation going on makes that search... interesting. I also don't see an opening for the job on their website. I may have missed it, but ...

Seriously!

What in the ___ is going on a Brandeis?

Let me ask Hoop Dirt and see what he knows.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 02, 2018, 12:54:26 PM
Just kidding...

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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 02, 2018, 01:30:37 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on May 02, 2018, 12:53:59 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2018, 10:23:21 PM
As for Brandeis... surprisingly quiet out of there. The fact the AD has been benched and there is an investigation going on makes that search... interesting. I also don't see an opening for the job on their website. I may have missed it, but ...

Seriously!

What in the ___ is going on a Brandeis?

Let me ask Hoop Dirt and see what he knows.

I seriously think the investigation into the depth of problems is taking priority. I wouldn't be surprised if they hired an interim coach for the next year and started fresh - probably with a new AD - next Spring.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 02, 2018, 02:22:42 PM
It is so true.  Brandeis has to get this right and waiting a year with an interim coach is certainly one way to ensure they rebuild the right way.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on May 02, 2018, 04:15:23 PM
Any idea when they will be holding the open try-outs for next year's team?  [stretching. . . .]
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 02, 2018, 05:34:59 PM
You jest, but it might come to that. Brandeis has nine eligible returnees -- one of them Brian Meehan's younger son -- and who knows how many of them will come back to play in the wake of what happened. Plus, the departure of the coach under scandalous conditions and the suspension of the AD indicate a toxic atmosphere that is likely to dissuade a lot of prospects from enrolling there to play for the Judges.

Open tryouts are certainly not unheard-of in D3 men's basketball. In fact, we had an ongoing conversation about this in the NCAC room back in the fall of '15, in the wake of an open-tryout message that Allegheny put on the school website after the Gators' head coach resigned in mid-June and his replacement was hired on the ridiculously late date of July 28.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 02, 2018, 06:08:23 PM
It will be interesting.

They had a surprisingly high number of players stay through the worst of it.  It should only get better from here. 

Maybe a few of the players who left last season are still around.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on May 02, 2018, 06:09:44 PM
As a part of his retirement interview with d-mac, Mark Edwards told a great story about how his first year reviving the program at WashU he played with a team put together through an open try-out of existing students.  Then he added new recruits each year thereafter.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 02, 2018, 06:29:57 PM
I suppose it's possible that there might be a player or two at Brandeis who quit the team and could be encouraged to rejoin as well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 02, 2018, 08:46:00 PM
Quote from: Mr. Mo on May 02, 2018, 06:09:44 PM
As a part of his retirement interview with d-mac, Mark Edwards told a great story about how his first year reviving the program at WashU he played with a team put together through an open try-out of existing students.  Then he added new recruits each year thereafter.

I've always enjoyed my chats with Mark... the last one was terrific. He had a lot of great stuff. We will have to go back to that well for a Marathon show sometime in our future.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 02, 2018, 06:29:57 PM
I suppose it's possible that there might be a player or two at Brandeis who quit the team and could be encouraged to rejoin as well.

I was thinking the exact same thing...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: USee on May 02, 2018, 10:44:34 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2018, 10:23:21 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on May 01, 2018, 10:11:29 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2018, 06:59:26 PM
First off... everything I've been told, Fischer was not the leader in the search.

Was he a candidate?


Yes.

Quote from: WUPHF on May 01, 2018, 10:11:29 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 01, 2018, 06:59:26 PM
Secondly, he is more than vague about who the three coaches are and does not mention the WIAC. I know that the coach from the WIAC was misnamed in numerous rumors that got to me.
HoopDirt had at least two blog posts on the search and the first mentioned a WIAC candidate.

But I could not care less about any of the rest of this.

Voldemort is only relevant to coaching changes and therefore, after Brandeis, will hopefully not be named in this thread for a long time.

His first post, I quickly found out, was WAY out of left field. WashU hadn't closed the search, I had heard quite different information, and was told by a few that what he had was wildly inaccurate.

He was way off with the Gettysburg search, the NYU search he floundered for a bit, and some other this year. He has been off, which is odd because usually he does a better job of at least nailing down his information.

As for Brandeis... surprisingly quiet out of there. The fact the AD has been benched and there is an investigation going on makes that search... interesting. I also don't see an opening for the job on their website. I may have missed it, but ...

Seems to me its called "hoopdirt" for a reason. I don't think the goal is to have all verified, reported facts. What fun is that. Majority of people want to hear the "dirt" as in "rumor". The "I'm hearing...." line is what draws people to read his feed. It's a different goal. What's the in fun hearing the announcement after the facts? the  whole point of Hoopdirt is rumors.  I'd much rather speculate, even if way off base. But that's just me.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 13, 2018, 12:25:46 PM
Carnegie Mellon announced their 2018-2019 recruiting class which features a 24 point per game (1,300 career) and 7 rebounds per game forward from Kansas City.

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180511o2fvr2
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on May 13, 2018, 09:39:09 PM
Impressive resume.  Clearly a smart kid.  Racked up those numbers in a small school class.  We'll see how he does against the big boys.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on May 21, 2018, 12:24:18 PM
Last week I interviewed new NYU head coach Dagan Nelson about his return to the Violets' program. He had some interesting insight into the challenges of recruiting to NYU, even relative to other schools in the UAA, and we talked about his scheduling approach and the timeline for the new facility.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/05/atn-nelson-hassell
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 22, 2018, 01:27:33 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on May 21, 2018, 12:24:18 PM
Last week I interviewed new NYU head coach Dagan Nelson about his return to the Violets' program. He had some interesting insight into the challenges of recruiting to NYU, even relative to other schools in the UAA, and we talked about his scheduling approach and the timeline for the new facility.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/05/atn-nelson-hassell

Thanks for the interview.  Very interesting.

It would be interesting to know just how many players at say Carnegie Mellon, the University of Chicago or Washington University also considered NYU.

Incidentally, Coach Nelson was right about New Paltz.

The Hawks are slightly less selective than the University of Rochester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 22, 2018, 02:53:18 PM
Yes, learning that SUNY New Paltz was so highly regarded was enlightening for me. As someone who was raised in upstate New York -- admittedly, a very long time ago -- I was always given the impression (which seemed to be borne out by the college choices made by my high-school peers) that the SUNY schools didn't have much in the way of academic cachet, aside from what was available through the greater breadth of disciplines offered in the three larger schools in the system (Buffalo, Binghamton, and Albany). On the undergrad level, the SUNY schools seemed to have a lumpenproletariat vibe which, even back then, was probably anecdotal and prejudicial to a large extent.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on May 22, 2018, 03:41:09 PM
Lumpenproletariat is the word of the day. :)

People associated with SUNY Geneseo have described that school to me as the best academic school in the SUNY system of regional colleges, so I was also surprised to hear New Paltz described that way.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 22, 2018, 03:53:52 PM
Geneseo was part of a trend two or three decades ago to cast off the regional moniker in favor of a statewide missions and selective admissions with hopes of creating a public liberal arts college, so I was surprised to see that New Paltz was about 10% more selective.

I would have referred to the SUNY schools as the colleges of the forgotten Americans, but indeed, lumpenproletariate is a way better descriptor.

To a certain extent, selectivity is partially an indicator of how good an institution is at convincing students to apply.  But still, the New Paltz numbers are very impressive.

Incidentally, I am sure no one else cares, but in terms of selectivity, here is how the UAA schools rank:

UChicago
Washington University
Carnegie Mellon
Emory
NYU
Case Western
Brandeis
Rochester
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 22, 2018, 07:04:59 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on May 22, 2018, 03:53:52 PMI would have referred to the SUNY schools as the colleges of the forgotten Americans, but indeed, lumpenproletariate is a way better descriptor.

Some of this, I've come to realize since becoming a Midwesterner, is a regional mentality. Because the Northeast is chock-full of highly selective institutions of ancient pedigree (as compared to other parts of the country), there's a somewhat greater sense of class consciousness filtered into the general idea of meritocracy surrounding academic cachet and school selectivity. It doesn't mean that high-status colleges are entirely seen as gateways into the cultural elite, but there's more of that mentality in the Northeast than there is in the Midwest -- and more of the ancillary sense as well that public schools (with a few exceptions, such as UMass-Amherst) are factories for perpetuating the lower middle class.

Then again, I'm looking at that through the lens of a seventeen-year-old upstate New Yorker from four decades ago. For all I know, the prevailing sentiment in the Northeast may now be the same as it is in the Midwest, which is that affordability is one of the biggest drivers in picking a public school over a private school, if not the biggest.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on May 22, 2018, 10:39:16 PM
"...factories for perpetuating the lower middle class." It's sad to think a perception exists that that's the best people might be able to do with a four year degree from a public college/university.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 22, 2018, 11:21:30 PM
Agree 100%.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on May 23, 2018, 04:19:50 PM
I think I can speak for a good chunk of the Midwest when I say that we generally have no interest in "gateways into the cultural elite" of the Northeast. 


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 04, 2018, 02:11:07 PM
A few of our local broadcast media outlets covered the hiring of Coach Juckem including Fox 2.

It is a nice interview, though the best part is the b-roll footage of a Washington University offensive set from Salem which culminated in a Sean Wallis pass to Aaron Thompson and lay-up at the 1:23 mark.  So sweet!

http://fox2now.com/2018/06/03/new-era-at-washu-as-juckem-takes-over-mens-basketball-program/?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+New+Content+(Feed)&utm_content=5b14b892f3d23e00077794f8&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ole Ollie on June 25, 2018, 10:30:23 PM
According to the Brandeis basketball website, former assistant coach Sean Tabb has been named as interim head coach.  http://brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/coaches/SeanTabb?view=bio
Before coming to Brandeis, Tabb was an assistant and then interim head coach for two years at Trinity and then he was an assistant at Brown. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 26, 2018, 04:06:28 PM
Basically following the road I thought would be taken... go with an interim for the season ahead. That allows the investigation to conclude, the status of the AD to be decided, and either a new AD or stability to be gained and then open up the job next season and go anew from there.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 05, 2018, 02:02:12 PM
Washington University has announced their next class of basketball players.

I'll have to think about this, but on paper, this may be the best overall recruiting class in some time.

They have also added an Assistant Coach to the roster.  Kevin Dux played for Coach Juckem at Coe before serving as his assistant for two years.  Dux was a starter on the Kohawks squad visited the Field House in 2007 and trailed Washington University by one possession in the final minute before the Bears pulled away.

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/20180705gegeuv
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 10, 2018, 12:25:03 PM
Basketball season is four months away as of today!

At least for Washington University fans...

The Washington University schedule has been updated with the three other teams in the Lopata Classic.  It will be Washington University and Pomona-Pitzer along with Alma and UW-Platteville.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on July 10, 2018, 03:06:25 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on July 10, 2018, 12:25:03 PM
Basketball season is four months away as of today!

At least for Washington University fans...

The Washington University schedule has been updated with the three other teams in the Lopata Classic.  It will be Washington University and Pomona-Pitzer along with Alma and UW-Platteville.

Platteville, Pomona Pitzer and........       .....  Alma...... Alma?... Geesh, that's a little disappointing....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 10, 2018, 05:19:51 PM
Washington University can take care of business against Pomona Pitzer and then play Platteville.  Should be another great tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on July 10, 2018, 11:05:08 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on July 10, 2018, 05:19:51 PM
Washington University can take care of business against Pomona Pitzer and then play Platteville.  Should be another great tournament.

"Great" might have included Hope or Calvin or Marietta or John Carroll or Ohio Wez, or Wittenberg, or Hanover as a 4th team....  a 4th team that knowledgeable D3 fans would like to see....   Alma, well, hardly qualifies as that...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 11, 2018, 04:36:33 AM
I thought the Lopata Classic was a great tournament last season, but what do I know about basketball?

What I do know: Wabash had a terrible record the season before. 

Webster was only slightly better (.500) coming in to the tourney and by comparison, it is safe to say that Webster would have struggled mightily with the schedule Alma had last season.

The quality of the competition is typical for this tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 11, 2018, 10:46:25 PM
Quote from: hopefan on July 10, 2018, 11:05:08 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on July 10, 2018, 05:19:51 PM
Washington University can take care of business against Pomona Pitzer and then play Platteville.  Should be another great tournament.

"Great" might have included Hope or Calvin or Marietta or John Carroll or Ohio Wez, or Wittenberg, or Hanover as a 4th team....  a 4th team that knowledgeable D3 fans would like to see....   Alma, well, hardly qualifies as that...

You're badly underrating Alma, hopefan. The Scots had a down season last year, but they were riddled with injuries. I think that they'll be significantly better in 2018-19. The program has seriously trended upward under Sam Hargreaves, last season's hiccup notwithstanding. Are they going to be at a Marietta or Wittenberg level? Most likely not. But I don't think that they'll be a doormat for the Lopata, either.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 13, 2018, 04:51:02 PM
I did not realize Alma had struggled with injuries last year.

I believe that had a number of injuries the year prior.

No doubt they had one of the toughest non-conference schedules.

UW-Platteville will still be a heavy, heavy favorite to win that first round game and probably the second.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 16, 2018, 03:02:59 PM
Emory has posted their 2018-2019 schedule.

No Division I exhibitions, but they do have Maryville (TN) again along with Randolph-Macon and East Texas Baptist.

http://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on July 16, 2018, 11:52:35 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on July 16, 2018, 03:02:59 PM
Emory has posted their 2018-2019 schedule.

No Division I exhibitions, but they do have Maryville (TN) again along with Randolph-Macon and East Texas Baptist.

http://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/schedule
Randolph-Macon had a decent season in 17-18 (18-8) and will have a pretty experienced team this coming season. But they have been inconsistent in recent years. Should be a good game, though likely a W for Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 17, 2018, 08:05:47 AM

Sounds like Atlanta Thanksgiving weekend will be a fun place to be.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 17, 2018, 02:18:54 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on July 16, 2018, 11:52:35 PM
Randolph-Macon had a decent season in 17-18 (18-8) and will have a pretty experienced team this coming season. But they have been inconsistent in recent years. Should be a good game, though likely a W for Emory.

Emory loses four key seniors, but I do still think they are going to be very good this year relative to the league.  This should be a good test.

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 17, 2018, 08:05:47 AM
Sounds like Atlanta Thanksgiving weekend will be a fun place to be.

It will be interesting to see who the fourth game is, but definitely a good tournament.

Did you do your drive around the United States yet?  And, if not, is there a way to follow the fun online?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on July 17, 2018, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on July 17, 2018, 02:18:54 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on July 16, 2018, 11:52:35 PM
Randolph-Macon had a decent season in 17-18 (18-8) and will have a pretty experienced team this coming season. But they have been inconsistent in recent years. Should be a good game, though likely a W for Emory.

Emory loses four key seniors, but I do still think they are going to be very good this year relative to the league.  This should be a good test.

R-MC only had one senior last season. This season's senior class is solid -- five of the six saw plenty of minutes as juniors. So maybe they have a better shot than I first thought. I don't think they saw a player like Romin Williams, though.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 20, 2018, 12:33:30 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on July 17, 2018, 07:28:48 PM
So maybe they have a better shot than I first thought. I don't think they saw a player like Romin Williams, though.

It is true that Romin Williams can take over a game and he has proven that against good teams.  Chicago knows that all too well.

I tried to speculate on how the league would play out before the newcomers were announced and this is what I said about Emory (see below).  It is interesting to look at that again.  Arguably only 3-4 clearly established proven performers.

It is too early to revisit this, but with the incoming recruits for Washington University and Chicago and thinking more about the experience of Rochester, I am not sure that anyone will be a favorite to win this league.


Emory

The sophomore class is going to pay big dividends for Coach Zimmerman for the next three seasons.  Bank on it.  There will be little margin for error so key to the league championship may be a road win in Rochester to begin league play.

1. Gebereal Baitey (Sr, 29 mpg), Nick Stuck (So)
2. Romin Williams (So, 22 mpg), Clay Washburn (So)
3. Beau Bommarito (Sr, 26 mpg)
4. Lawrence Rowley (So)
5. Matt Davet (So, 13 mpg)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 23, 2018, 03:18:28 PM
Spartans going to be wearing Nike for a long, long time:
http://athletics.case.edu/general/2017-18/releases/20180723dbz3j3

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2018-19/schedule

Playing in tourney in Bermuda.  No word on other teams participating.
Also a game in Miami vs last season #18 Plattsburg
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on July 23, 2018, 05:07:04 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on July 23, 2018, 03:18:28 PM
Spartans going to be wearing Nike for a long, long time:
http://athletics.case.edu/general/2017-18/releases/20180723dbz3j3

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2018-19/schedule

Playing in tourney in Bermuda.  No word on other teams participating.
Also a game in Miami vs last season #18 Plattsburg
Maybe if his shoes are more comfortable, their coach will be in a better mood on the sidelines this season. . . .
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: smedindy on September 04, 2018, 06:37:18 PM
BAM:

https://deadspin.com/brandeis-cleans-house-after-investigation-into-basketba-1828811340
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 05, 2018, 12:44:51 AM
That makes twice now that Deadspin has inaccurately reported that Meehan took Brandeis to the Final Four.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 05, 2018, 09:46:07 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 05, 2018, 12:44:51 AM
That makes twice now that Deadspin has inaccurately reported that Meehan took Brandeis to the Final Four.

I assume it was a mistake because the leads on Deadspin and on Deadspin social media do not play up the supposed Final Four as they might have.  And, it is an interesting mistake in this latest report because the report clearly mentions the Elite Eight campaign.

I did read the entire 25 page report and the only thing I'll say I still feel bad for the Meehan brothers who, though not blamed, are portrayed as part of the problem.  I obviously have no idea what having the Meehans on the team was like day to day, but Nate Meehan was a pretty good basketball player and the younger Meehan rarely ever played.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on September 05, 2018, 11:10:09 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on September 05, 2018, 09:46:07 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 05, 2018, 12:44:51 AM
That makes twice now that Deadspin has inaccurately reported that Meehan took Brandeis to the Final Four.

I assume it was a mistake because the leads on Deadspin and on Deadspin social media do not play up the supposed Final Four as they might have.  And, it is an interesting mistake in this latest report because the report clearly mentions the Elite Eight campaign.

I did read the entire 25 page report and the only thing I'll say I still feel bad for the Meehan brothers who, though not blamed, are portrayed as part of the problem.  I obviously have no idea what having the Meehans on the team was like day to day, but Nate Meehan was a pretty good basketball player and the younger Meehan rarely ever played.



Interesting observation regarding the brothers... +1
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 05, 2018, 12:02:53 PM
As I figured, the AD is being replaced. I suspect maybe this was known when they opened up the head coaching position late this summer (still not filled best I can tell). I wish I could get more info, but my New England brethren like to keep things close to the vest, it would appear. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 05, 2018, 12:56:09 PM
Quote from: hopefan on September 05, 2018, 11:10:09 AM
Interesting observation regarding the brothers... +1

Thanks! I read my previous post and I should clarify further by saying that the report portrayed favoritism towards the brothers as a concern.  I wish I had used that word.  Otherwise, as I was trying to say, that was not necessarily evident from the outside.  I do feel for those guys.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 19, 2018, 01:06:54 PM
It looks like Brandeis is planning to have a new head coach ready to go by the time basketball season rolls around: http://brandeishoot.com/2018/09/14/brandeis-searches-for-a-new-head-basketball-coach/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 19, 2018, 01:57:26 PM
From what I've been told, they are down to finalists who will probably be on campus as soon as now, but more likely next week (or at least wrapped up).

I suspect the earliest an announcement would come is next week, but certainly by the end of the following week.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ole Ollie on September 19, 2018, 03:03:00 PM
Take it for whatever it is worth, but on 9/13 hoopdirt reported:

Ten Skype interviews wrapped up at Brandeis. Here are my totals: 2 Ivy League assistants, 2 Patriot League assistants, 5 DIII head coaches, and 1 DIII assistant coach (a former DIII head coach). Sounds like the list has been cut, and finalists will be on campus within the week.

Does anyone know any of the persons who have interviewed? 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 19, 2018, 03:16:34 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 19, 2018, 08:28:28 PM
Quote from: Ole Ollie on September 19, 2018, 03:03:00 PM
Take it for whatever it is worth, but on 9/13 hoopdirt reported:

Ten Skype interviews wrapped up at Brandeis. Here are my totals: 2 Ivy League assistants, 2 Patriot League assistants, 5 DIII head coaches, and 1 DIII assistant coach (a former DIII head coach). Sounds like the list has been cut, and finalists will be on campus within the week.

Does anyone know any of the persons who have interviewed?

I've received a very inconsistent list with names on it. What you have is basically the Skype numbers and HoopDirt left a few items off that list (I know the number was 14).

And I'm not releasing the names because I don't have the inconsistent list really all that confirmed.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ole Ollie on September 29, 2018, 10:17:43 PM
According to Hoopdirt:

"I can confirm that Columbia University Associate Head Coach Jean Bain will be named as the next head coach at Brandeis University (MA). Bain, a native of nearby Medford, MA, had been an on the Columbia staff for the past two seasons. He also spent four seasons as the Associate Head Coach at Dartmouth, and six seasons prior to that as an assistant at New Hampshire. A former standout at Northeastern University, Bain was selected as the 1999 America East Rookie of the Year. An official announcement is expected within the next few days."
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 30, 2018, 12:39:31 PM
Yep... though need Brandeis to tell us officially. Also, I have been told by my sources for over a week this was going to be Bain's job.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 02, 2018, 10:50:34 AM
Brandeis officially has a head coach.

This looks like a great hire.

http://www.brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/20181001o0gv88
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 12, 2018, 12:17:36 PM
This is a very cool story for UAA fans and beyond.

Jay Murry will call the Washington University-Wheaton game and then set about doing a 24 hour run to raise awareness and research funds for Rett Syndrome.

https://www.101sports.com/2018/10/11/wash-u-broadcaster-to-raise-awareness-for-lesser-known-disease-with-24-hr-run/

http://washubears.com/general/2018-19/videos/20181012-z86so8h8
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: mck99 on October 15, 2018, 08:56:58 PM
Sights and Sounds of Day 1 of the Pat Juckem era for Washington University in St. Louis Men's Basketball.

WATCH: https://youtu.be/XCXypEilzBQ
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 16, 2018, 11:25:30 AM
I am revisiting my posts from March and April on how the UAA might look in 2018-2019 including a list of key seniors and key players returning. I am sure I missed a player or two and for that I apologize.

Here are my rankings from March with one change (besides correcting a few clerical errors)--I moved NYU ahead of Carnegie Mellon though the Violets are going to have to replace a Division-class point guard.

I looked at these teams over and over and the only thing I can say with any confidence is that Emory, Rochester, Washington University and Chicago will finish 1-4 with Case Western Reserve just behind at No. 5.

I think an argument can be made in favor of any of the top teams, but I'll go with Emory for the moment.

Ultimately, the team that wins the league will be the team that gets big contributions from guys who averaged 5 to 10 to 15 minutes a season ago and likely a few newcomers as well.
__________
1. Emory
2. Rochester
3. Washington University
4. Chicago
5. Case Western Reserve
6. NYU
7. Carnegie Mellon
8. Brandeis

Here is a look at the programs including key seniors lost to graduation and players who played significant minutes season:

Washington University 21-6, 12-2 UAA
Key seniors: Andrew Sanders, Matt Highsmith, Jake Knupp, Kevin Kucera, David Schmelter.
Key players returning: Marcus Meyer, Matt Nester, Jack Nolan, Hank Hunter, DeVaughn Rucker.

Emory 19-8, 9-5 UAA
Key seniors:  Adam Gigax, Christopher Avant, Donald Avant, and Whit Rapp.
Key players returning: Romin Williams, Beau Bommarito, Matt Davet, Gebereal Baitey, Lawrence Rowley and Nick Stuck.

Rochester, 16-9, 7-7 UAA
Key seniors: Tucker Knox.
Key players returning: Jacob Wittig, Ryan Clamage, Michael Mangan, Patrick Benka, Brendan O'Shea, Alexander Gamble, and Andrew Lundstrom.

Chicago 13-12, 9-5 UAA
Key seniors: Jake Fenlon, Collin Barthel.
Key players returning: Noah Karras, Ryan Jacobson, Justin Jackson, Ryan Sustacek, Max Jacobs, Jake Berhorst, and Jordan Baum.

Case Western Reserve 12-13, 6-8 UAA
Key seniors: T.J. Duckett.
Key players returning: Connor Nally, Monty Khela, William FitzPatrick, Ignas Masiulionis, Sam Hansen, Michael Hollis, Michael Volkening.

NYU 10-14, 3-11 UAA
Key seniors: Ross Udine.
Key players returning: Ethan Feldman, Dom Cristiano, Jule Brown, Jimmy Martinelli, Cameron Moore, Doug Gertner, Ted Georgidadis.

Carnegie Mellon 7-18, 3-11 UAA
Key seniors: Ryan Maha.
Key players returning: Colin McNeil, Seth Henry, Zach Howarth, Patrick Ehland, Zach Watson, Trent Suddeth.

Brandeis 7-18, 3-11 UAA
Key seniors: Nate Meehan, Latye Workman.
Key players returning: Eric D'Aguanno, Jake Meehan, Laurence Sabir, Chandler Jones, Semih Say, Akim Sanni, and Collin Sawyer.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 16, 2018, 11:29:57 AM
Incidentally, I was out sick for a few days last week, so I had time to watch a host of games from last year.  I was reminded of how critical David Schmelter was last season, especially in those moments when the Bears offense began to stall.  Andrew Sanders was definitely the player of the year, but Schmelter was arguably a close second.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on October 16, 2018, 12:39:47 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 16, 2018, 11:25:30 AM


Washington University 21-6, 12-2 UAA
Key seniors: Andrew Sanders, Matt Highsmith, Jake Knupp, Kevin Kucera, David Schmelter.


Coach Edwards picked the right year to retire!!! ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;)

Now Wupiff, I'm just teasing.... the bench was loaded last year.....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 16, 2018, 01:17:44 PM
Good work WUPHF!

Fantasy question for you. Romin Williams, Clamage and Jack Nolan have been taken. I'm looking for the next best option to score me points this season. What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 16, 2018, 02:18:03 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 16, 2018, 01:17:44 PM
Fantasy question for you. Romin Williams, Clamage and Jack Nolan have been taken. I'm looking for the next best option to score me points this season. What are your thoughts?

Thanks and it is funny that you ask because if you had asked me this last season, my answer would have proved incorrect.

There are not a lot of obvious choices after the three you mentioned, but I have a few thoughts...

I have to think that Noah Karras is ready for a big senior campaign.  He was one of the best shooters in the league as a sophomore, but struggled at times last season.  He will be asked to do so much more with the graduation of Jake Fenlon.

I also think Matt Davet will be better than Adam Gigax and he will be starting in the front court this season.

Ethan Feldman may be the next proven performer, but you could look at guys such as Ignas Masiulionis, Ryan Jacobsen, and Laurence Sabir who was averaging almost 15 points per game before conference play began.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 16, 2018, 02:24:23 PM
Quote from: hopefan on October 16, 2018, 12:39:47 PM
I'm just teasing.... the bench was loaded last year....

The last time Edwards lost a big senior class, his team went 15-10 but several were heartbreaking 2-3 point losses.  I definitely think you are right about the bench. 

Are you planning to be in town in December again?  Webster has a game with Missouri Baptist.  Did the Spartans used to play in the SLIAC?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on October 16, 2018, 02:28:12 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 16, 2018, 01:17:44 PM
Good work WUPHF!

Fantasy question for you. Romin Williams, Clamage and Jack Nolan have been taken. I'm looking for the next best option to score me points this season. What are your thoughts?

https://www.kcchronicle.com/lists/2018/05/02/efea1bac8224485a9b2a2e3b173d9cad/index.xml?page=1

http://www.washubears.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/20180705gegeuv
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 16, 2018, 02:50:06 PM
I did pick Justin Hardy for my fantasy team.

I actually think that if Hardy proves to be a good pick, he will drive the fantasy numbers for Matt Nester too (assists and shooting), potentially making the latter a good choice.

If one wanted to give a first-year a try, UChicago has a freshman who holds two scholarship offers from two Division I programs: https://www.vermontacademy.org/page/news-detail?pk=1181590
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on October 16, 2018, 03:03:14 PM
Expecting to be "home" part of Nov, all December...  no, Mo Bap was never SLIAC ... but if Denny McK  sees this, he could give you some real history... I believe (though may have it wrong) that his dad coached Mo Bap, left to start the program at Fontbonne, the same year the SLIAC came into being...1990
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 16, 2018, 03:39:46 PM
Quote from: hopefan on October 16, 2018, 03:03:14 PM
Expecting to be "home" part of Nov, all December...  no, Mo Bap was never SLIAC ... but if Denny McK  sees this, he could give you some real history... I believe (though may have it wrong) that his dad coached Mo Bap, left to start the program at Fontbonne, the same year the SLIAC came into being...1990

Ah, OK.

Do make sure you pencil in the Principia or Fontbonne games at Washington University.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on October 17, 2018, 10:40:08 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 16, 2018, 01:17:44 PM
Good work WUPHF!

Fantasy question for you. Romin Williams, Clamage and Jack Nolan have been taken. I'm looking for the next best option to score me points this season. What are your thoughts?
If looking for sleepers who may break out, I would suggest Hank Hunter or Louis Reinmiller at WashU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on October 17, 2018, 11:06:16 AM
Thought this article on Emory committed recruit Greg Lawrence (also discusses a Williams recruit) would be of interest to UAA folks:

https://www.thehour.com/sports/article/Greens-Farms-Academy-hoops-duo-commit-to-D3-13314254.php
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 17, 2018, 11:17:43 AM
Quote from: nescac1 on October 17, 2018, 11:06:16 AM
Thought this article on Emory committed recruit Greg Lawrence (also discusses a Williams recruit) would be of interest to UAA folks:


Yes, all four of us!

Just kidding...thanks for sharing.

I have never heard of a double-head before, but averaging 14 rebounds per game...  Wow!

This thread could definitely use an Emory fan by the way.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on October 18, 2018, 10:09:32 AM
I claim myself a UAA folk, although I have no real connection to any of the schools! Think there are at least double digit 'UAA Folk' on these boards, just might be hiding from us ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: warriorcat on October 18, 2018, 10:45:41 AM
Count me in as one of those UAA followers who rarely posts.  My rooting interest is Emory an Jason Zimmerman, who I watched play at Davidson and worked with in the Davidson athletic department. He is an outstanding person as well as great coach.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 18, 2018, 11:42:34 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on October 18, 2018, 10:09:32 AM
I claim myself a UAA folk, although I have no real connection to any of the schools! Think there are at least double digit 'UAA Folk' on these boards, just might be hiding from us ;)

I'll be honest, after I posted that I thought about both you and Greg Sager and thought maybe I should have said six.

For the longest time, I figured no one was reading this thread because there was so little to read.  Then I noticed the view counter.  During the season, this thread will get 500-600 views.

A long time ago, I overheard someone talking to a WUSTL parent at a game and he was clearly talking about my posts.  Or, possibly content from some other UAA blog that I have never heard of, but I doubt that.  It had to be my posts, so there has to be one other fan.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 18, 2018, 11:44:54 AM
Quote from: warriorcat on October 18, 2018, 10:45:41 AM
Count me in as one of those UAA followers who rarely posts.  My rooting interest is Emory an Jason Zimmerman, who I watched play at Davidson and worked with in the Davidson athletic department. He is an outstanding person as well as great coach.

Thanks for sharing...

The UAA in general and Emory in particular are very lucky to have Coach Zimmerman.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 18, 2018, 11:45:26 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 18, 2018, 11:42:34 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on October 18, 2018, 10:09:32 AM
I claim myself a UAA folk, although I have no real connection to any of the schools! Think there are at least double digit 'UAA Folk' on these boards, just might be hiding from us ;)

I'll be honest, after I posted that I thought about both you and Greg Sager and thought maybe I should have said six.

For the longest time, I figured no one was reading this thread because there was so little to read.  Then I noticed the view counter.  During the season, this thread will get 500-600 views.

A long time ago, I overheard someone talking to a WUSTL parent at a game and he was clearly talking about my posts.  Or, possibly content from some other UAA blog that I have never heard of, but I doubt that.  It had to be my posts, so there has to be one other fan.

He was listening to Hoopsville ...

... right? LOL
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 18, 2018, 11:53:35 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 18, 2018, 11:45:26 AM
He was listening to Hoopsville ...

... right? LOL

That might have been it!

UAA fans should be listening to Hoopsville.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 18, 2018, 12:54:51 PM
I was at Salem one year and a Pointer fan came up to me and introduced herself to me. I had absolutely no clue who she was. Then she told me she reads my posts all the time. I read this board all the time. The WIAC has a few more posters than here, but not nearly as many as the haydays. Trust me, sometimes I feel like I'm talking to myself on these boards, like hopefan in the SLIAC board. 500-600 views seem low for a whole season. Check the count on November 1 and go from there...even though, for us, the season has already started.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 18, 2018, 01:24:59 PM
Actually, that is the thing, the thread will get 500-600 views in a few hours.  That shocked me.

Otherwise, that is a crazy story about Salem.  On two occasions, I have been watching a game with Hopefan and people have come up to him to introduce themselves to him.  Once at Webster and once at Fontbonne.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 18, 2018, 02:10:01 PM
Well, hopefan is sui generis as far as d3boards.com rooms are concerned. The SLIAC room gets next to no posting activity apart from him; for the past two decades he's been pretty much the author of every other post in that room. As a result, I think that when he still lived in St. Louis and used to go to SLIAC games he was treated like the basketball-fan version of Elvis. ;)

But, similar to Tom's experience with that UWSP fan in Salem, I have had people come up to me pretty regularly at CCIW sporting events over the years to tell me that they read my posts. My goal is to get the proportion of my public response closer to Jay Murry's in terms of people introducing themselves to me and telling me that they listen to me as opposed to telling me that they read me. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 18, 2018, 02:21:30 PM
Elvis is about right.

As I mentioned, it happened twice.

And, I only see him once or twice a year.

I used to know players, but have not in 3-4 seasons.  I hope nobody recognizes me.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 18, 2018, 02:10:01 PM
My goal is to get the proportion of my public response closer to Jay Murry's in terms of people introducing themselves to me and telling me that they listen to me as opposed to telling me that they read me.

At a minimum, you'll have to come closer to the Jay Murry ratio of broadcasts to posts for that to happen.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 18, 2018, 02:29:40 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 18, 2018, 02:21:30 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 18, 2018, 02:10:01 PM
My goal is to get the proportion of my public response closer to Jay Murry's in terms of people introducing themselves to me and telling me that they listen to me as opposed to telling me that they read me.

At a minimum, you'll have to come closer to the Jay Murry ratio of broadcasts to posts for that to happen.

Alas, you're probably right -- although I've been encouraged by the response I get regarding the sports that I broadcast that have little or no presence on d3boards.com (women's soccer, women's volleyball, and softball, and I hope that starting this year men's volleyball will be the same). That sounds egotistic, but to me it's really more about the knowledge that people are using the school's webstreaming service to watch games and matches whenever they're unable to attend them live.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 18, 2018, 03:05:34 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 18, 2018, 02:29:40 PM
That sounds egotistic, but to me it's really more about the knowledge that people are using the school's webstreaming service to watch games and matches whenever they're unable to attend them live.

That is how I read it...no one can blame you for wanting people to utilize the webstream.  Have you ever surveyed viewers?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 18, 2018, 03:30:33 PM
Do you mean an actual survey attempting to gauge reactions from users, or a simple headcount of viewers via software counter?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bballjunkie15 on October 18, 2018, 06:57:14 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 16, 2018, 02:50:06 PM
I did pick Justin Hardy for my fantasy team.

I actually think that if Hardy proves to be a good pick, he will drive the fantasy numbers for Matt Nester too (assists and shooting), potentially making the latter a good choice.

If one wanted to give a first-year a try, UChicago has a freshman who holds two scholarship offers from two Division I programs: https://www.vermontacademy.org/page/news-detail?pk=1181590

Another breakout player to watch out for is Jr Zach Howarth at CMU... Was second in conference in PPG during UAA play last year... Tartans return a lot of key pieces...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 18, 2018, 09:18:26 PM
Quote from: bballjunkie15 on October 18, 2018, 06:57:14 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 16, 2018, 02:50:06 PM
I did pick Justin Hardy for my fantasy team.

I actually think that if Hardy proves to be a good pick, he will drive the fantasy numbers for Matt Nester too (assists and shooting), potentially making the latter a good choice.

If one wanted to give a first-year a try, UChicago has a freshman who holds two scholarship offers from two Division I programs: https://www.vermontacademy.org/page/news-detail?pk=1181590

Another breakout player to watch out for is Jr Zach Howarth at CMU... Was second in conference in PPG during UAA play last year... Tartans return a lot of key pieces...

I do have Howarth on my list. Hardly a "breakout" player though, when he was second in scoring in conference play!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 18, 2018, 11:09:51 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 18, 2018, 03:30:33 PM
Do you mean an actual survey attempting to gauge reactions from users, or a simple headcount of viewers via software counter?

I was thinking a survey could tell you a lot of interesting things about who is watching and why they are watching, but interesting is probably not worth it in this case if the survey is seen as a hassle by the viewers.  Nevermind.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 18, 2018, 11:13:04 PM
Quote from: bballjunkie15 on October 18, 2018, 06:57:14 PM
Another breakout player to watch out for is Jr Zach Howarth at CMU... Was second in conference in PPG during UAA play last year... Tartans return a lot of key pieces...

You are absolutely right about Howarth.

I forgot about him this week, but I did pick him for the one fantasy team I completed for this season.

My All-UAA Free Agent Team

Matt Davet, Emory
Gebereal Baitey, Emory
Ryan Clamage, Rochester
Jacob Wittig, Rochester
Matt Nester, Washington University
Jack Nolan, Washington University
Justin Hardy, Washington University
Jordan Baum, Chicago
Ryan Jacobsen, Chicago
Ignas Masiulionius, Case Western Reserve
Ethan Feldman, NYU
Dom Cristiano, NYU
Zach Howarth, Carnegie Mellon
Lawrence Sabir, Brandeis

Honorary Members
Bradley Jomard, MIT
Hamilton Forsythe, MIT
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 18, 2018, 11:22:02 PM
OK, because it is the preseason and I am a little bored, I'll say, it looks like we have 10 UAA fans. 

I forgot about ADL, but he'll be back if the Spartans continue to improve.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 19, 2018, 10:22:51 AM
I'm still here. Posted CWRU's schedule a few weeks back.  I'm now waiting for updated roster to be posted.  This season Spartan's will have no seniors. Only have TJ Duckett to replace, but that's a big hole to fill. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 19, 2018, 11:12:02 AM
Correction: he has been here all along. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: bballjunkie15 on October 19, 2018, 11:33:36 AM
Any EARLY predictions on finish this year? Here would be mine
1.Emory-lost a lot of productive seniors and I think they will miss Whitt Rapp a ton with how they play. BUT, Romin Williams along with rest of soph class I think will step up and be hard to stop on offensive end. Coach Z always gets it done and those guys play hard at a style that is unique to the League.

2.Rochester- Return everyone of significance and they LOCK up on the defensive end. Clamage one of the best natural scorers in the league and Wittig runs the show on offense. They struggle at times to make shots and don't have anyone who can just make a play on that end when offense breaks down. They will be in every single game this year and make run at winning league.

3. Wash U- Nolan is an absolute stud and will lead league in scoring this year. They have talented, yet unproven guys behind him. Nester will compliment him nicely and they may struggle early, but at end I think they will be in convo for league and NCAA berth.

4.CMU- Probably the team besides Rochester that returns the most production in the league. Howarth will battle Clamage, Nolan and Williams for scoring title. I think Tartans have very good depth and talent at the guard spots. If Ehland can show some signs of play from his UAA ROY season along with Suddeth, I think this is a good year for the Tartans.


5.CWRU- may surprise some, but while they lose duckett, they will get better defensively and have some dudes that can fill it up. Masiulionis, Nally, ionadi and Hansen can all shoot it from 3. Coach always gets them to play hard and I think they take a step forward this year.

6. Chicago- lose Barthel and Fenlon who led them in second half of UAA play last year. Hard to replace those two and the maroons just have not gotten it done past few years with more experience and talent than what they have this year on roster.

7. NYU- new coach, lose Udine, so will be a toss up this year. They have some offensive talent, but do they want to stop anyone this year?

8. Deis- Who knows what roster will even look like?

Any other thoughts from anyone?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on October 19, 2018, 02:42:55 PM
Quote from: bballjunkie15 on October 19, 2018, 11:33:36 AM
Any EARLY predictions on finish this year? Here would be mine
1.Emory-lost a lot of productive seniors and I think they will miss Whitt Rapp a ton with how they play. BUT, Romin Williams along with rest of soph class I think will step up and be hard to stop on offensive end. Coach Z always gets it done and those guys play hard at a style that is unique to the League.

2.Rochester- Return everyone of significance and they LOCK up on the defensive end. Clamage one of the best natural scorers in the league and Wittig runs the show on offense. They struggle at times to make shots and don't have anyone who can just make a play on that end when offense breaks down. They will be in every single game this year and make run at winning league.

3. Wash U- Nolan is an absolute stud and will lead league in scoring this year. They have talented, yet unproven guys behind him. Nester will compliment him nicely and they may struggle early, but at end I think they will be in convo for league and NCAA berth.

4.CMU- Probably the team besides Rochester that returns the most production in the league. Howarth will battle Clamage, Nolan and Williams for scoring title. I think Tartans have very good depth and talent at the guard spots. If Ehland can show some signs of play from his UAA ROY season along with Suddeth, I think this is a good year for the Tartans.


5.CWRU- may surprise some, but while they lose duckett, they will get better defensively and have some dudes that can fill it up. Masiulionis, Nally, ionadi and Hansen can all shoot it from 3. Coach always gets them to play hard and I think they take a step forward this year.

6. Chicago- lose Barthel and Fenlon who led them in second half of UAA play last year. Hard to replace those two and the maroons just have not gotten it done past few years with more experience and talent than what they have this year on roster.

7. NYU- new coach, lose Udine, so will be a toss up this year. They have some offensive talent, but do they want to stop anyone this year?

8. Deis- Who knows what roster will even look like?

Any other thoughts from anyone?

Bballjunkie15, I completely agree with your predictions. Given the key returners which were previously mentioned in addition to three coaching changes (WashU, NYU, and Brandeis), here are my predictions for the UAA in the 2018-19 season:

1)   Emory (10-4)
2)   Rochester (9-5)
3)   WashU (8-6)
4)   Carnegie Mellon (7-7)
5)   Case Western (7-7)
6)   Chicago (6-8)
7)   NYU (6-8)
8)   Brandeis (3-11)

I say with complete confidence that Emory and Rochester will finish at the top of the league. (Hopefully we can have a repeat of the 2015-16 championship game at the end of the UAA season – this time in Atlanta instead of Rochester). WashU is a completely new team and I'm not entirely sure what to expect. Carnegie Mellon and Case Western both return plenty of talent from last year and will fare better in league play. I think Chicago is a top tier team in terms of talent, so I wouldn't be surprised if they take a game or two against the likes of Rochester and/or Emory (as seen in win vs. WashU last year). However, it's very hard to say if some of those guys will "show up" week in and week out enough to have a shot at the title. I find NYU to be a similar story in that they have plenty of talent on offense, but had by far the worst defense in the league last season. Time will tell if Nelson can change that. I'm optimistic that Bain can turn Brandeis around, but for now I have a hard time giving them more than three wins in this league.

First note, I think in this upcoming season we will see a lot more parity in the league that the last (In 2017-18, WashU & Emory finished a combined 25-3 in UAA play while NYU, Carnegie, and Brandeis combined for 9-33). I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the teams I've predicted to finish at the top drop a couple games to teams toward the bottom – which we saw none of in the UAA last season. It may only take 10 wins to win the entire league.

Second, I wouldn't be surprised to see if each of the three new head coaches, Juckem, Nelson, and Bain take some tough losses on the road in the UAA.  Given the demand of academics & rigorous travel of the UAA, it may prove to be an adjustment for all of them. Zimmerman, McGrath, Flockerzi, and Wingen have all been doing it in this league for over a decade. To note, McGuinness put together a 6-8 record in the UAA during his first season at Case Western in 2016-17.

Third, IMO the UAA Player of the Year should come from the #1 team. I think the most dominant players this season will be Romin Williams, Ryan Clamage, Jack Nolan, and Zach Howarth. Maybe throw Noah Karras, Gebereal Baitey, Jacob Wittig, and Ethan Feldman into the conversation. Unless any of the teams which I have listed between 4 and 8 can put together 9+ wins, either Williams, Clamage, or Nolan will take home player of the year.

Is anyone aware of the date when the UAA coaches poll will be released? Thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 19, 2018, 04:32:43 PM
It has been a long time since anyone else had preseason predictions to offer.  Thanks guys...

A few random thoughts...

The coaches poll has been hard to predict over the last few years, but probably a few days before or after the start of the season.  If I remember correctly, two years ago, there was no coaches poll.

The league is going to be down, relative to the Division again next season (though what that means is subjective).  As an example, if you look at Massey, three seasons ago, the UAA had finished a streak of being the No. 1-3 league.  Two seasons ago, UAA was No. 7.  Last year, the UAA was No. 18.

As mentioned, there will be tremendous parity throughout...

Here are my preseason rankings from April, but I think I am moving NYU ahead of Carnegie Mellon.
__________
1. Emory
2. Rochester
3. Washington University
4. Chicago
5. Case Western Reserve
6. Carnegie Mellon
7. NYU
8. Brandeis

It looks like we may have some disagreement on Chicago and Carnegie Mellon.

Chicago
Chicago is the last UAA team I want to hype (I buy in to the rivalries), but I think this team will be better than last season, relative to the league, but there are certainly no guarantees.  I do think Jacobsen and Sustacek are every bit as good as Barthel, though much respect to Barthel for his UAA second team senior campaign.  They may be the biggest team in the league. Fenlon also had a great senior campaign, but his graduation leaves more for Karras and Baum.  Chicago needs a player like Skoko and they got him.

Carnegie Mellon
I'll have to think a little more about Carnegie Mellon, but points well taken...  Let's keep this conversation going.

Emory
Baitey and Stuck (and occasionally Williams) will take over where Rapp left off.  I have to assume that Rowley and Davet will be a formidable front court, even if undersized, but I am not sure who takes over when they are off the court.

Rochester
I have Rochester at No. 2, but that may be my least confident pick.  They were 16-9 (7-7) last season with a team that had seen a lot of minutes from the prior year.  Not quite veteran status, but still...they were not competitive against Emory and Washington University last season.

I said last week that I think the unknowns are going to have a much bigger impact than with the last few seasons.  I think that is true even with a team like Rochester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on October 21, 2018, 01:03:56 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 19, 2018, 04:32:43 PM
It looks like we may have some disagreement on Chicago and Carnegie Mellon.

Chicago
Chicago is the last UAA team I want to hype (I buy in to the rivalries), but I think this team will be better than last season, relative to the league, but there are certainly no guarantees.  I do think Jacobsen and Sustacek are every bit as good as Barthel, though much respect to Barthel for his UAA second team senior campaign.  They may be the biggest team in the league. Fenlon also had a great senior campaign, but his graduation leaves more for Karras and Baum.  Chicago needs a player like Skoko and they got him.

Carnegie Mellon
I'll have to think a little more about Carnegie Mellon, but points well taken...  Let's keep this conversation going.

Fenlon had a fantastic senior year scoring the ball (18.1ppg in UAA play) and it will be interesting to see if Karras can match that. For the three prior years, Fenlon's role was essentially just a spot up three point shooter - similar to how Karras has been for his past three seasons. When senior year came around he looked very strong, confident, athletic, and did a great job of getting to the free throw line. I'm not so sure Karras will have the same level of strength and athleticism to score inside the three point arc, but I do think he has the potential to shoot 40%+ from distance. I've always thought he's a better pure shooter, but not quite the same volume Fenlon gets it off.

Barthel came into his own as the season went on (14.8 in UAA play, 19.8ppg in their last 7 games of the conference season). I think he's much bigger and stronger than Jacobsen and Sustacek, and played with a lot of confidence in his game. Offensively, I don't think Karras, Jacobsen, Sustacek, and Baum will be able to fill the void that Fenlon and Barthel leave.

As far as Carnegie Mellon goes, despite a 3-11 record in UAA play last season, they return everyone but Ryan Maha (9.6ppg in UAA play). Howarth led the way with 16.7ppg in UAA play. All of the guys that they return weren't dependent on two stellar seniors to lead the way for them, which IMO gave them room to grow (Howarth is a perfect example of this). McNeil, Henry, and Suddeth all got experience playing important roles last season. While I think Ehland had a tough year, he's among the most experienced veterans in the league going into the season.

However to your point of ranking Chicago ahead, Carnegie Mellon was the worst 3 point shooting team in the league at 32.3% in league play. Outside of Maha, none of those guys were shooting it behind the arc and it certainly hurt their offensive production. I'm hoping to see Carnegie improve on their shooting from last season, in particular Howarth. If so, I think they really could be a 7-7 team in this league.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 21, 2018, 11:29:34 PM
This will be an interesting subplot to follow throughout the season.

I definitely do not want to disparage Fenlon or Barthel as both had good careers and great senior campaigns, but here are a few last thoughts. 

Barthel was certainly bigger and stronger, but the league gets smaller this season in terms of returning players.  He definitely had a way of taking over a game.  I am not sure if Jacobsen or Sustacek does what Barthel did to, say NYU, but I think Chicago has to feel good about the front court.

Fenlon was better than anyone at getting off a shot and almost took more three pointers than Karras and Baum combined.  He scored a lot, but shot a lot.  I am not sure either will score 18 points per game, but I expect more production all around.

I am not sure how good Fenlon was at scoring inside the perimeter or getting to the line as his field goal attempts were almost entirely from the perimeter in games against the best teams last season.

You may be right...we will begin to find out in 20-21 days.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on October 22, 2018, 12:13:30 PM
I also wanted to check, does anyone know where you would find SOS statistics? I am interested to see how each team's SOS compares going into these non-conference match ups.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 22, 2018, 12:37:12 PM
Matt Snyder has the most interesting efficiency rankings as well as a match-up simulator: http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/

Massey is definitely worth a look: https://masseyratings.com
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 22, 2018, 12:47:25 PM
Brandeis has an updated roster: http://www.brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/roster

It looks like the only unexpected change was the loss of Semih Say, a freshman who played in 22 games last season.

I thought I had heard Latye Workman was coming back, but I removed him from my list from last week.  It looks like he is returning for his fourth year of eligibility.  This is good news for the Judges as Workman was a quality 29 minutes per game, 10 points, 8 rebounds forward.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 22, 2018, 02:04:32 PM
Quote from: uaaaficionado on October 22, 2018, 12:13:30 PM
I also wanted to check, does anyone know where you would find SOS statistics? I am interested to see how each team's SOS compares going into these non-conference match ups.

Which SOS numbers do you want? Legit NCAA SOS numbers? There is nothing to really look at until mid-January when there is at least enough data to start breaking down. There is no way to have that SOS number represent anything right now as it would all be based on last year's data and that's not exactly a fair representation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 22, 2018, 03:30:56 PM
I understand that CWRU has an incoming big man, 6'10 265.  Another first-year big man has apparently decided to play baseball.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Riley056 on October 23, 2018, 09:00:39 AM
https://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2018-19/roster
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 23, 2018, 10:43:40 AM
Holy moly that is a big man.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 23, 2018, 02:17:43 PM
Quote from: Riley056 on October 23, 2018, 09:00:39 AM
https://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2018-19/roster

How I found it but it's not up officially yet.

https://www.ncsasports.org/mens-basketball-recruiting/pennsylvania/wexford/north-allegheny-senior-high-school/zach-johnson338
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 23, 2018, 02:23:56 PM
The UAA coaches poll has been released (first place votes in parenthesis):

Emory (6)
Rochester (2)
Washington University
Chicago
NYU
Case Western
Carnegie Mellon
Brandeis

So much for the suggestion that it will come a few days before or after the start of the season.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 23, 2018, 03:38:05 PM
Quote from: Riley056 on October 23, 2018, 09:00:39 AM
https://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2018-19/roster

It has been updated since I checked it yesterday.  There are now ten incoming first year players.

Five juniors and four soph.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on October 23, 2018, 06:32:12 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 23, 2018, 02:23:56 PM
The UAA coaches poll has been released (first place votes in parenthesis):

Emory (6)
Rochester (2)
Washington University
Chicago
NYU
Case Western
Carnegie Mellon
Brandeis

So much for the suggestion that it will come a few days before or after the start of the season.

Awesome stuff - was this release on the UAA website?

I guess I may be thinking too highly of Carnegie Mellon this early..
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 24, 2018, 02:25:29 PM
It was released on WUSTL social media.

Don't give up on Carnegie Mellon just yet.

NYU has their roster posted: https://gonyuathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball

I said that the league is getting a little smaller, but the Violets have added a 6-6 (225 lb) forward and a 6-8 (240 lb) center.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 25, 2018, 12:25:30 PM
And CWRU, in addition to the 6'9 or 10 C has two incoming 6'6 Fs, though they're not quite as big as 225.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 25, 2018, 02:31:17 PM
Washington University has added a 6'8 center and a few 6'6 forwards.  Chicago adds a 6'7 forward too.  Maybe I'll do away with my line that the league is getting smaller.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on October 25, 2018, 04:14:52 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 25, 2018, 02:31:17 PM
Washington University has added a 6'8 center and a few 6'6 forwards.  Chicago adds a 6'7 forward too.  Maybe I'll do away with my line that the league is getting smaller.

In retrospect, the league did lose a small handful of front court guys this past year. The coaches all knew it was time to re-up! Off the top of my head..

WashU - Schmelter, Sanders, Highsmith
Emory - C. Avant, D. Avant, Gigax
Rochester - Knox
Chicago - Barthel
Case Western - Duckett
Carnegie - N/a
NYU - N/a
Brandeis - N/a

And speaking of the big guys, any takes on returners who may dominate in the front court this season? Any freshman or guys who didn't play much last season? While none IMO seem like the dominant, POY-type candidates (i.e. Sanders, Kupferberg, Foster, Klimek, etc.), here are some guys that may emerge..

Emory - Matt Davet, Lawrence Rowley
Rochester - Patrick Benka, Andrew Lundstrom, Jacob Urban
WashU - Marcus Meyer, Hank Hunter
Case Western - Connor Nally, Michael Hollis
Carnegie Mellon - Trent Suddeth, Patrick Ehland
Chicago - Ryan Jacobsen, Sam Sustacek
NYU - Dom Cristiano, Jimmy Martinelli
Brandeis - Latye Workman, Chandler Jones

Speaking purely to the frontcourt, my favorite is probably Cristiano and Martinelli - both of which started together last year and they're only juniors. Plus they've got Hawkinson and Georgiadis off the bench, both of whom got minutes last year. In my mind this is definitely the deepest front court.

At Emory, Davet was an outstanding backup as a freshman and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the green light in that fast-paced Emory system to put up 20+ points in a handful of games. Rowley looked tough in his limited minutes as well.

I'm not sure what to think of Meyer and Hunter at WashU. They didn't get a ton of minutes last year (nor did I get to watch them very much), but I'm certain they're both motivated and hungry to pick up where Schmelter & Sanders left off.

I think the most dominant bigs this season will be Cristiano and Davet. Outside of those two I'm interested to see which guys take a big jump to some level of consistent double-digit scoring and rebounding. And who knows, maybe one of these new freshman takes the UAA over!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 26, 2018, 12:04:00 AM
That is a very good pre-season look at the UAA backcourts.

In addition to his scoring and rebounding, Sanders and Schmelter greatly reduced their fouling and were able to play more minutes than prior seasons.

Hunter did not play much at all, but the minutes he played at the Mt. St. Joseph tourney were particularly impressive.  If you include the Fontbonne game, he went 13-16 from the field between those three games.

Lundstrom has proven that he can ball, but his stats were a bit underwhelming last season.  I would not be surprised if he has a senior campaign that rivals Ayers or Seltzer.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 26, 2018, 01:31:12 PM
Emory has an updated roster ready to go: http://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/roster

I have to admit I had one of those wait, what? moments.

Emory has added two transfer students to the mix.  They have a sophomore who started for St. Lawrence University last season, scoring 12 points per game.  They have another sophomore who started in 16 games for Calvin last season, scoring 11 points per game and had a 29 point game last November.

Wow!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on October 26, 2018, 01:42:37 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 26, 2018, 01:31:12 PM
Emory has an updated roster ready to go: http://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/roster

I have to admit I had one of those wait, what? moments.

Emory has added two transfer students to the mix.  They have a sophomore who started for St. Lawrence University last season, scoring 12 points per game.  They have another sophomore who started in 16 games for Calvin last season, scoring 11 points per game and had a 29 point game last November.

Wow!

I second the wow here! Will definitely be interesting to see how those two fit in with all the returners at the guard spots. The lone freshman listed here is Mason Johnson (6'7"). Assuming he is a true front court guy, that gives Emory 3 bigs.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 31, 2018, 02:22:47 PM
Washington University has an updated roster: http://washubears.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/roster

Of the returning players, two averaged over 10 minutes per game, 4 averaged over 5 minutes per game.  5 new players.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 31, 2018, 06:55:05 PM
It may now have been updated further.  I see six FR, but I don't think that I see the transfers who were mentioned earlier.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 31, 2018, 10:55:05 PM
Absolutely six new players...my first of two numerical errors today.

I was posting while on a conference call.

The transfers are on the Emory squad.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 01, 2018, 09:40:27 AM
Right, Emory  Memory fail.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 01, 2018, 01:40:04 PM
Rochester also has an updated roster: https://uofrathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball

Three new players and a sophomore who returns after being out all season due to injury.

The UAA will have two first-year players who averaged 24 points per game in their senior season of high school.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on November 01, 2018, 02:49:13 PM
I also wanted to take a look at the PG spot and see what some of you think. Here are the notable graduates:

WashU – Kucera, Knupp
Emory – Rapp
NYU – Udine
Carnegie - Maha

All five of these guards of were immensely talented and left their marks on the league. Kucera (2x First-Team All UAA & three-year starter) may have arguably been the #1 catalyst to WashU's success the past two years while averaging 11.8 ppg and 6.2 apg as a senior. Knupp played the PG and off guard spots interchangeably while taking home the league's defensive player of the year last season. He led the country in assist-to-turnover atio his junior season. Rapp, a 3 year starter, finished his career as Emory's all-time leader in assists (629) while ranking 4th in D3 for assist-to-turnover ratio. Udine, a 4-year starter, completed his career as NYU's all-time assist leader (571) 10th all-time in scoring at NYU (1,276 points). Maha,a combo guard, enjoyed a very successful stint as a three year starter at Carnegie Mellon as well, finishing his career 4th all-time in school history for three-pointers made (183).

Now looking forward, here are some of the top returners at the point guard spot:

Emory – Williams, Stuck
Rochester – Wittig, Mangan
WashU – Nester
Carnegie Mellon – McNeil
Case Western – Volkening
Chicago – Baum
NYU – Moore
Brandeis – Sabir

Williams is the top talent in the league & can play as the PG or SG. Stuck held his own as a freshman backup behind Rapp last year. Wittig, in his fourth season as a starter, is right there as the top PG in the league after showing improved confidence scoring the ball. I think Mangan will compete for DPOY. Two guys I didn't include in this are Clamage (Rochester) and Baitey (Emory) – I think they'd both classify better as wings but will spend plenty of time bringing the ball down the court, running offense & taking ball screens, and tallying assists (assuming that's how you may classify a PG  ??? ). These are the top two & deepest back courts in the league IMO.

Baum finished last season ranked 2nd in assists during conference play (as a sophomore) at 6.1 per game. At 6'3" he has maybe the best length in the league at the PG spot which certainly helps that tough Chicago defense. I'm not sure who will come in to relieve him in his role.

As a sophomore McNeil was 2nd on the Carnegie Mellon team in scoring and led them in assists. Horwarth is another guy you may consider a combo guard as well but I'm not so sure he carries the same PG role as McNeil. Both are juniors and I think will be a slept on back court.

While not a PG, NYU's next best passer after the loss of Udine is 6'7" forward Jule Brown who tallied 3.0 apg last season. Cameron Moore will assume a much bigger role as the team's point guard now. Similar story with Case Western's 6'6" forward Michael Hollis who lead the team with 3.4 apg. Volkening was only a freshman at the starting PG spot for Case last year and I imagine will be much improved in his physique and abilities this season.

I didn't get to see much of Nester or Sabir last season. I'm sure Nester, like WashU's bigs, is excited about the opportunity to take the reigns going into his senior season. All though Kucera's senior campaign is a very tough act to follow.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 01, 2018, 03:31:04 PM
That is a great look at the point guard spot.

I am already looking forward to your other reviews position by position.

The UAA had three point guards who finished in the Top 10 of career assists last season too.  Definitely a lot of changes at the PG position.

I have Baitey playing 20 minutes or more at the point guard position with Williams (also playing the shooting guard role) and Stuck rotating in, but it may be dependent on the play of Bommarito and to a lesser extent Rowley and the transfers.  I may be wrong.

The third-string PG from last year for Washington University is no longer on the roster.  Nester may be playing 35 minutes per game, but who subs in?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on November 01, 2018, 05:34:21 PM
With the new offense and the large group of talented guards, my guess is that you are going to see Nolan (and maybe Reinmiller) playing a fair amount if point guard this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 01, 2018, 06:05:19 PM
Quote from: Mr. Mo on November 01, 2018, 05:34:21 PM
With the new offense and the large group of talented guards, my guess is that you are going to see Nolan (and maybe Reinmiller) playing a fair amount if point guard this year.

There is no question those guys can play that role.

Arenas played point guard at times in high school (though hard to know) as did at least one of the new guards.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on November 01, 2018, 06:15:21 PM
I would think Arenas would be in that mix as well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2018, 06:34:58 PM
Though I can't really contribute much to the league, besides useless fantasy related posts, I do enjoy everyone's input...and sometimes I try to use that information to better my fantasy teams.

So, although I may not respond to certain posts, I do enjoy and appreciate them.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 01, 2018, 09:06:25 PM
Yeah, this is the most diverse the discussion has been in a long time.

Definitely an interesting year to talk UAA basketball with two new coaches and a host of talented freshmen and sophomores.

The first-year I mentioned was named the 10th best point guard in Minnesota for his class by PrepHoops.com for whatever that is worth.  He averaged 4 assists per game last season to go along with 18 points and 7 rebounds: https://www.prephoops.com/2018/02/prospect-rankings-2018-point-guards/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 02, 2018, 09:49:19 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on November 01, 2018, 01:40:04 PM
Rochester also has an updated roster: https://uofrathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball

Three new players and a sophomore who returns after being out all season due to injury.

The UAA will have two first-year players who averaged 24 points per game in their senior season of high school.

Not far behind, CWRU has a player who averaged 23 and 11 Reb.

https://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2018-19/bios/flynn_brady_kims
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 02, 2018, 10:26:41 AM
Thanks! Lots of newcomers to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on November 02, 2018, 12:22:25 PM
WUPHF,

Any insight/your thoughts on who may end up in the starting 5 for WashU? I'm sure over the first month of the season Juckem may mix things up depending on who's playing well as they find their chemistry & rhythm. There's just so many new faces I have no idea what to expect!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on November 02, 2018, 01:41:20 PM
After putting together some notes on UAA PF/C's and PG's, here are some of my thoughts on the leagues SG/SF/Wings. These are some notable graduates from this past season..

WashU – I threw in Knupp with the point guards & Highsmith with the bigs
Emory – N/a
Rochester – N/a
Chicago – Fenlon
Case Western – N/a
Carnegie Mellon – Had Maha with point guards
NYU – N/a
Brandeis – Meehan

It wasn't until after I started putting this together that I noticed, wow – the UAA has not lost much in this area. Obviously Fenlon lead the league with 436 points on the season (18.1ppg in UAA play) and 100 3's made on the year (jeez  :o). Outside of him, the UAA essentially returns all of its talent from the wing. Here are some notable returners..

Emory – Baitey, Bommarito
Rochester – Clamage, O'Shea
WashU – Nolan, Reinmiller
Carnegie Mellon – Howarth, Henry
Case Western – Masiulionis, Khela, Ionadi, Hansen
Chicago – Karras, Jackson
NYU – Feldman, Brown, Gertner
Brandeis – D'Aguanno, Sawyer, Sherman

There are certainly a handful of talented guys returning here and I'm not sure I can say I love one group the best. Clamage, Nolan, and Howarth all had breakout years in 2016-17. Like I've said before – if their respective teams can win enough games I think those three will produce and have shots at POY.

Baitey, Masiulionis, and Feldman all played major roles for their respective teams on the offensive end last season. Baitey is one of the best athletes in the league and played his best basketball of the season down the stretch with a handful of double digit games. He will be the senior leader on this young Emory team. Now that Duckett is gone, I wouldn't be surprised to see Masiulionis (only a sophomore) to take a leap in his offensive production – he'll definitely have a wide open green light. Feldman was not only one of the best scorers & shooters in the league last season but was also one of the most efficient (57% FG, 54% 3FG, 88.9% FT). However without Udine running the show I'm uncertain how that may effect his game.

I am most interested to see how Karras (a senior) responds now that he's done taking the backseat to Fenlon. He didn't have any 20+ point scoring games last season but for those who remember his sophomore year, he had games where he tallied 22, 25, 27, and 39 points. IMO he may be the best pure shooter in the league.

At the same time there's certainly opportunities for guys who didn't get a lot of minutes last season to emerge – as well as the handful of talented freshman coming into the league.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on November 02, 2018, 02:13:16 PM
Quote from: uaaaficionado on November 02, 2018, 12:22:25 PM
WUPHF,

Any insight/your thoughts on who may end up in the starting 5 for WashU? I'm sure over the first month of the season Juckem may mix things up depending on who's playing well as they find their chemistry & rhythm. There's just so many new faces I have no idea what to expect!
Just a guess at this point, but you are likely to see lots of guard combinations working with Meyer and Hunter in the post.  Nolan, Nester, Reinmiller, Arenas, Hardy, (maybe Windley or Rucker) in the mix.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 02, 2018, 02:57:51 PM
I would classify Martinelli as a wing and maybe more than before with the 2018-2019 roster.  Otherwise, another great look.

Quote from: Mr. Mo on November 02, 2018, 02:13:16 PM
Just a guess at this point, but you are likely to see lots of guard combinations working with Meyer and Hunter in the post.  Nolan, Nester, Reinmiller, Arenas, Hardy, (maybe Windley or Rucker) in the mix.

Your guess is certainly better than mine.

Assuming that everyone is 100% healthy, more than anything else, I am interested to see how Hardy and Hunter are utilized.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 03, 2018, 07:08:34 PM
Brandeis fell to St. Joseph's (CT) 76-63 in exhibition play.

The Judges in a few key statistics including rebounds, assists and turnovers, but simply did not shoot as well as the Blue Jays.

Corey Sherman and Collin Sawyer led the way in shooting with 17 and 15 points respectfully.

Lawrence Sabir fouled out in just 16 minute of play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 03, 2018, 08:06:42 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on November 03, 2018, 07:08:34 PM
Brandeis fell to St. Joseph's (CT) 76-63 in exhibition play.

The Judges in a few key statistics including rebounds, assists and turnovers, but simply did not shoot as well as the Blue Jays.

Corey Sherman and Collin Sawyer led the way in shooting with 17 and 15 points respectfully.

Lawrence Sabir fouled out in just 16 minute of play.

Is this the new St. Joseph (CT) coached by Jim Calhoun?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 03, 2018, 08:13:19 PM
That is the one.

Emory has an exhibition tomorrow against a mediocre Division II North Georgia, but live stream is free and online at 7:00 pm: http://d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2018-19/schedule?date=2018114
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 04, 2018, 04:00:53 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 04, 2018, 07:39:42 PM
Correction: besides the links on the North Georgia website, no live stream or live stats for the Emory game tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 04, 2018, 09:19:36 PM
In case anyone was curious, Emory defeated Division II North Georgia 92-88.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 04, 2018, 09:51:11 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on November 04, 2018, 09:19:36 PM
In case anyone was curious, Emory defeated Division II North Georgia 92-88.

Any boxscore?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 04, 2018, 10:46:59 PM
I'll post anything I see, but I am guessing that if they were not running the live stats, they will not publish a box score.

Here is the update from Emory social media:

Behind 28 points from Romin Williams, the Emory men's basketball team posted a 92-88 Sunday evening exhibition win at the University of North Georgia. Sophomore Lawrence Rowley added 22 points while classmate Matt Schner chipped in 17 points.

Williams finished the evening 10-of-18 from the field, including six-of-10 from three-point range while Schner was six-of-10 from the floor, four-of-eight from distance.


This sophomore class is going to be special.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on November 05, 2018, 10:03:35 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on November 04, 2018, 10:46:59 PM
I'll post anything I see, but I am guessing that if they were not running the live stats, they will not publish a box score.

Here is the update from Emory social media:

Behind 28 points from Romin Williams, the Emory men's basketball team posted a 92-88 Sunday evening exhibition win at the University of North Georgia. Sophomore Lawrence Rowley added 22 points while classmate Matt Schner chipped in 17 points.

Williams finished the evening 10-of-18 from the field, including six-of-10 from three-point range while Schner was six-of-10 from the floor, four-of-eight from distance.


This sophomore class is going to be special.

Wow... what a night for a sophomore class against a D2 opponent! Will be fun to see how they mature, could end up being a group like the seniors at WashU last year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 06, 2018, 02:13:43 PM
Figured we could try and promote some of the hard work our columnists, like Ryan Scott, do on a weekly basis... so here it goes:

Around the Nation: Facing a new challenge

The 2018-19 season brings new challenges for coaches across Division III. For Pat Juckem, it's leaving a national finalist to follow a legendary coach at Wash U. For his replacement, it's keeping the Oshkosh momentum going. And for Bob Amsberry, it's replacing the best class in Wartburg women's basketball history. Ryan Scott has more: http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/index

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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on November 06, 2018, 05:06:58 PM
Pretty impressive stat line out of that Emory sophomore class..

Also worth noting Brandeis took an exhibition loss to St. Joseph's (CT) (who is coached by former UCONN legend Jim Calhoun) by a final score of 76-63. Sophomore Chandler Jones scored 17 points on 6-9 shooting (2-2 from three). Cory Sherman scored 15 on 5-17 shooting.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: AmherstRules on November 06, 2018, 05:37:27 PM
Didn't Coach Juckem (albeit with UW-Oshkosh) just drill Emory in the NCAA tournament in the Round of 16?  Seems he might have a pretty good idea on how to attack them.   
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on November 06, 2018, 06:15:06 PM
Quote from: AmherstRules on November 06, 2018, 05:37:27 PM
Didn't Coach Juckem (albeit with UW-Oshkosh) just drill Emory in the NCAA tournament in the Round of 16?  Seems he might have a pretty good idea on how to attack them.

Yes. OshKosh defeated Emory in the sweet sixteen by a final score of 93-72. After a year where Emory was swept in both games against WashU by scores of 84-67 and 82-69.

Now pair Juckem with WashU? I imagine this Emory team & Coach Zimmerman have their return to St. Louis in January marked on the calendar..
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 06, 2018, 07:52:29 PM
All due respect to what Coach Juckem and UW-Oshkosh ... but that was with the talent UWO had. I'd argue, with now a completely different WashU unit ... you can't just assume Juckem can have the same results against Emory. He has a completely different set of players, skill sets, etc.

By that reasoning, shouldn't Illinois women's basketball be a Top 10 program? Ok... that's an extreme example, but I enjoyed it. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on November 06, 2018, 08:25:15 PM
You are right d-mac, he may beat them by even more.  ;-)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 06, 2018, 08:40:37 PM
Emory loses a lot too so you have to take it on faith that they are going to be as good or better next season.

Losses include (arguably) the best point guard in Emory history, the D3Hoops pre-season all-American, two very tall, very capable bigs...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 06, 2018, 08:43:02 PM
Also, I guess I can finally stop saying next season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 06, 2018, 11:10:36 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on November 06, 2018, 08:43:02 PM
Also, I guess I can finally stop saying next season.

You've got a little more than a day to keep saying it, technically. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 06, 2018, 11:50:21 PM
Yes!  Thanks by the way for posting the Ryan Scott article and for the Hoopsville interview.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 07, 2018, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on November 06, 2018, 11:50:21 PM
Yes!  Thanks by the way for posting the Ryan Scott article and for the Hoopsville interview.

You bet!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 08, 2018, 10:20:27 AM
CWRU Preview

https://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/20181107qgi8u7
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on November 08, 2018, 04:39:42 PM
We've got a fun first weekend of non-conference games coming up to start the season. Here are each of the UAA team's first game:

Fri. 11/9
NYU @ Purchase State (7:00pm)
Case Western vs. Albion (7:00pm)

Sat. 11/10
Brandeis vs. Mass. Dartmouth (1:00pm)
WashU vs. Illinois Col. (8:00pm)

Sun. 11/11
Chicago @ Illinois Wesleyan (5:00pm)
Emory @ Piedmont (7:00pm)

Tue. 11/13
Rochester @ RIT (7:00pm)
Carnegie Mellon @ Chatham (8:00pm)

I'm certainly excited to check all of these games out. Most notably I think Chicago's road match up at Illinois Wesleyan, a traditionally strong program out of the CCIW, will be great challenge for them off the bat. I'm also looking forward to seeing Juckem's brand new version of WashU basketball.

Any thoughts on weekend#1? Match ups catching anyone's eye?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 08, 2018, 06:29:19 PM
Thanks for posting that summary.  For those in the Chicago or St. Louis area, those times are EST.

I am looking forward to the Chicago game at Illinois Wesleyan.  The Titans already have two exhibitions in the books and get the game at home, but Chicago did travel to Spain as a team a few months ago.  The Titans have the best player, but the Maroons have a real shot at the upset.

I am not sure what we will see on Saturday in St. Louis, other than a lot of three point attempts.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 09, 2018, 07:52:30 PM
Live stats only for NYU vs. Purchase College as the Violets trail at the half.

The Violets are missing three potential starters from the live stats.

Freshman Cade Hoppe has 6 points in 10 minutes.  Looking forward to watching him play at some point.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 09, 2018, 08:59:20 PM
Spartans open season defeating Albion, a second tier MIAA team, 89-80.

Massiulionis scored 23, although he sat awhile seemingly from a physical issue.  The big surprise though was Hollis who matched with a career-high 23 of his own on a perfect night shooting (7-7 and 9-9) and 9 boards. Hansen also had double figures with 14.

As can be expected from an opener a lot of guys saw action. Six freshmen saw action, led by Newton with 9. At one point midway through the second half there were four freshmen on the floor for CWRU. Bittner started at PG in the absence to injury of Volkening. Fellow FY Flynn logged 18 minutes, most for a rookie.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 09, 2018, 09:51:03 PM
NYU ended up defeating Purchase, 93-88 thanks largely to Jule Brown, Bobby Hawkinson, and Alex Casieri who each finished with 21 points. Casieri of course was playing in his first ever game at the collegiate level (fantasy watch alert).  Casieri was 4-6 from three. 

Interestingly, Brown was 3-5 from three point range and he was among the last players NYU wanted taking the three last season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 10, 2018, 10:18:06 PM
Washington University begins the Pat Juckem-era right with a 91-62 win over Illinois College. 

The Bears had some initial problems defending Trae Robinson, but they cracked that code in the second, holding Robinson to two second-half points.

Lots of things to like including 20 assists, 20+ in rebounding and only 5 turnovers in the first 35 minutes.  Admittedly, they added 4 more in the final 5 minutes.

Starting line-up and first off the bench with players rotating among positions...

Nester, Jacob
Nolan, _____
Arenas, Reinmiller
Hardy, Rucker
Meyer, Hunter
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 11, 2018, 10:21:28 PM
The UAA finished the weekend 5-1, so not too shabby.

Chicago lost on the road against No 19. Illinois Wesleyan (documented elsewhere), 81-73 while Emory won on the road against Piedmont.  Matt Davet finished with 25 points and 6 rebounds (I told you guys!) and Lawrence Rowley finished with 16 points and 10 rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 14, 2018, 10:07:38 AM
The UAA moves to 6-2 after two games last night.

Rochester defeated cross-town rival RIT, 68-43 in a game that featured contributions most of the roster.

Carnegie Mellon lost to Chatham, 88-70, a team they had destroyed a season ago.  Seth Henry finished with 26 points and 11 rebounds.  Zach Howarth finished with 18 points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on November 14, 2018, 10:31:22 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on November 14, 2018, 10:07:38 AM
The UAA moves to 6-2 after two games last night.

Rochester defeated cross-town rival RIT, 68-43 in a game that featured contributions most of the roster.

Carnegie Mellon lost to Chatham, 88-70, a team they had destroyed a season ago.  Seth Henry finished with 26 points and 11 rebounds.  Zach Howarth finished with 18 points.

Lost to Chatham??!! Chatham was picked 8th in PAC....   CMU must be WAY down... it'll be a long year...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 14, 2018, 12:34:15 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 14, 2018, 10:31:22 AM
CMU must be WAY down... it'll be a long year...

They absolutely smoked Chatham last year.  Not sure what else happened.  I started watching that game, but the announcers were neglecting the play by play in favor of commentary.  It was just too hard to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 14, 2018, 10:46:28 PM
Webster University defeats Washington University, 72-64.

Every loss is a tough loss, but there were sure to be blemishes on the record this season.  It is easy to forget, but only two players on the roster averaged 10+ minutes last season.

I do not believe in good losses, but the Bears needed a big challenge after the easy-peasy win on Saturday.  They got it.  16 turnovers and lots to work on.

Not to say that every game is going to turn on three-pointers, but the Bears are not going to win a lot when they shoot 22% (4-18) from the three point range despite good look after good look.  They will also not win a lot when the opponent is shooting 53% from the perimeter.  Webster did not take a lot, but they connected on 7-13.

Washington University did get one big win today as 6'8 Spencer Boehm (New Trier) signed today.  Boehm was weighing offers from Dartmouth and Columbia.  The Bears will have at least 5 Chicagoland players on the roster next season.

By the way, I am calling it now: first-year PG Charlie Jacob is going to be a stud.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on November 14, 2018, 11:11:59 PM
Looked like WashU's game plan played right in to Webster's strengths.  A head scratcher for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 15, 2018, 10:38:34 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on November 14, 2018, 10:46:28 PM
By the way, I am calling it now: first-year PG Charlie Jacob is going to be a stud.

I was really impressed with Justin Hardy. Also, I knew Jack Nolan could shoot (in spite of an off night last night) but did not realize how good he is at ball handling, penetration, passing, and defense.

Since Webster is also a relatively young team (only one senior on the roster, who didn't play last njght), this could be another good game next season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 15, 2018, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on November 15, 2018, 10:38:34 AM
I was really impressed with Justin Hardy.

Hardy is very impressive.  The only reason I have not talked much about his play through the first two games is that he came in with so much preseason hype.

Quote from: y_jack_lok on November 15, 2018, 10:38:34 AM
Also, I knew Jack Nolan could shoot (in spite of an off night last night) but did not realize how good he is at ball handling, penetration, passing, and defense.

Nolan had the assist of the season last year (in my mind) and was often called to defend Romin Williams and other guards, but through the first two games of this season, he is definitely showcasing more of his talents.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on November 15, 2018, 12:15:26 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on November 14, 2018, 10:46:28 PM
They will also not win a lot when the opponent is shooting 53% from the perimeter. 
In my mind, a lot of those threes came off WashU defensive lapses.  There was an energy missing on the defensive end from the Illinois College game and it hurt them.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 18, 2018, 12:05:06 AM
The UAA has had a good weekend so far.

NYU defeated Sarah Lawrence, 82-66. Not particularly exciting, but at least the have two of the three injured seniors back.  Jimmy Martinelli scored 18 points while Dom Cristiano registered 14 points and 16 rebounds.

Emory got the win over Staten Island, 86-88 and then destroyed Keuka 109-73.  In the latter, Romin Williams went to work and scored 32 of 11-23 shooting.  Lawrence Rowley is averaging close to a double-double.

Rochester defeated Houghton (73-64) and Baldwin Wallace (64-55).  Jacob Wittig led the Yellowjackets in scoring in both games.

Carnegie Mellon lost to Penn State-Behrend on the road, 81-72.  Seth Henry had his second straight 20 plus scoring effort.  Its only two games, but Henry and Zach Howarth are both averaging above 20 points per games.

Case Western Reserve had wins over Franciscan (78-48) and Washington College 70-66).

Chicago and Claremont-Mudd-Scripps were locked in a low-scoring battle, but Chicago prevailed 51-43.  Jordan Baum is back and finished with 14 points, 7 rebounds and 4 assists.

Brandeis defeated Bates, 54-48.  Still no Sabir.

In other news, Emory won the Women's Volleyball national championship while Washington University won the Women's Cross-Country national championship.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 18, 2018, 08:20:05 PM
The UAA is off to a 16-6 start through the end of the second weekend.

NYU lost to Baruch, 83-70 this afternoon.  First-years Alex Casieri and Cade Hoppe led the way in scoring and rebounding.

As for Chicago, I had penciled in a match-up with Springfield, but that game was not meant to be.  Chicago instead defeated Ohio Wesleyan, 82-70.  Jordan Baum nearly completed the triple-double with 20 points, 9 rebounds and 9 assists.  Noah Karras also dropped in 20 points.  Dominic Lavarie barely played last season, but has played very well through the first three games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 20, 2018, 09:31:29 AM
Brandeis moved to 3-1 with a 78-65 win over Lasell.

The most impressive thing about the game: the atmosphere which was obvious even through the live stream.

Corey Sherman has taken over the point guard role for Sabir who has not played the last 2-3 games.  Sherman finished with 26 points.  Eric D'Aguanno dropped in 22 thanks largely to his efforts from the perimeter (6-10).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 20, 2018, 11:07:24 PM
Washington University drops to 1-2 on the season with a 92-85 loss to Illinois Wesleyan.

The Titans shot 70% from the field in the first half and finishing north of 60% for the game.  50% from three point range.  IWU really shut down the Bears from the perimeter too.

The Bears are still working on a lot things it seems, though certainly a lot of positives in this game including:

Washington University won the second half, 50-40.
Washington University shot 90% from the free-throw line.
Washington University won the battle of the boards (32-28), turnovers (16-18), and steals (8-5).
Not to mention Justin Hardy who scored 28 points (10-16 from the field) and pulled down 8 rebounds
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 21, 2018, 09:59:12 AM
In other scores around the UAA...

Rochester over Hobart, 81-63
Carnegie Mellon falls to Mount Union, 82-71.
Case Western Reserve falls to Denison in overtime, 80-79.
NYU defeats John Jay, 63-51.
Chicago defeats North Park, 87-68.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on November 21, 2018, 11:42:46 AM
Wooopiffff... 2 days of driving... just too whipped to change clothes and come down to Wash U... but saw first 10 minutes on internet... Hardy's dunk through traffic was just spectacular... a frosh   wow...  seems to me the Bears are hurtin' in the middle....  and we have to see Nolan find his touch on the perimeter....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 21, 2018, 12:15:10 PM
Welcome back!  And, I was hoping that being back at home would allow Nester and Nolan to return to their first-game form (both shot 50% from three in that game, but a combined 26% last night). Instead, IWU turned the Field House into the Shirk Center Annex, shooting 50% from three.  No worries though...next game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on November 21, 2018, 03:34:23 PM
Puzzled by Wash U right now.  A lot of the best things I saw in the Iilinois College game and the two scrimmages seem to have fallen off (high pressure defense and crisp ball movement).  I think their most effective lineup has been when they play without a traditional point guard and one of the other guards does the ball handling.  Allows them to play bigger within their system where the guards are fungible; and they have athletic enough 2 and 3 guards to pull it off.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on November 21, 2018, 08:26:51 PM
There is a lot to figure out for Coach Juckem, to be sure.  Hopefully the 2nd half from last night is more indicative of how the team will play this season.

Agree with hopefan about the need for more production in the middle.  Hank Hunter was poised to provide it but was in foul trouble much of the evening.  Marcus Meyer has improved his free throw shooting and needs to believe that he can emerge from David Schmelter's shadow and have a greater impact on games.  And, I'd even like to see DeVaughn Rucker play in the paint for a few minutes of each game, as an undersized post.  His strength and energetic athleticism would be a nice change-up for opponents to deal with.

All in all, I liked a lot of what I saw, with my first look at the Bears...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Mo on November 21, 2018, 09:01:32 PM
I would agree.  That might also help him cut down on his turnovers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 21, 2018, 10:10:09 PM
Rucker has been coming in for Hardy and played the center for a few minutes, but maybe that was in the scrimmage.  He is rebounding well, but I am not sure if he has taken but a shot or two initiated from the paint.  He does like to shoot from the perimeter.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on November 23, 2018, 09:10:49 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on November 21, 2018, 08:26:51 PM
There is a lot to figure out for Coach Juckem, to be sure.  Hopefully the 2nd half from last night is more indicative of how the team will play this season.

Agree with hopefan about the need for more production in the middle.  Hank Hunter was poised to provide it but was in foul trouble much of the evening.  Marcus Meyer has improved his free throw shooting and needs to believe that he can emerge from David Schmelter's shadow and have a greater impact on games.  And, I'd even like to see DeVaughn Rucker play in the paint for a few minutes of each game, as an undersized post.  His strength and energetic athleticism would be a nice change-up for opponents to deal with.

All in all, I liked a lot of what I saw, with my first look at the Bears...
Always nice to hear you call a game.  ;)
  There is a lot to like about the Bears IMHO.  I am not sure IWU leaves with a W without a terrific 1st half.  Much better 2nd half for the Bears which tells me Coach Juckem was able to get team refocused and made adjustments at half time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 24, 2018, 03:54:39 PM
Maryville has forced an overtime after trailing Emory by 19 points.

I have to agree with the Emory announcer that the Eagles were bailed out on two consecutive possessions with a one-point lead and 14 seconds left on the clock. 

Emory converted on free-throws and then Dante Hoppa banked a three pointer with 1.4 seconds left on the clock...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 24, 2018, 04:08:25 PM
Emory defeats Maryville 96-93.

Emory has two free throws again and Romin Williams goes 1-2 giving the Eagles a two-point lead.  Maryville brings it down and scores to tie the game with 3 seconds left.  Emory gets the ball to Williams who knocks down the buzzer beater from NBA range.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 24, 2018, 09:57:22 PM
Washington University defeats Carroll, 71-69 with the Pios scoring on a last second heave from half court.

The Bears got off to a good start behind the three point shooting of Matt Nester (4-6) and would eventually run out to a 15 point lead, but had to stave of a few Pio runs in the second half. 

Jack Nolan led the way in scoring with 20 points while DeVaughn Rucker led in rebounding.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 25, 2018, 03:43:34 PM
Washington University leads Carthage at the half, 47-37.

Jack Nolan leads all scorers with 17 points.

Emory took a 20 point or so loss to Randolph Macon at home, despite big games from four of the starting five.  The final score in that game: 94-74.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 25, 2018, 04:07:02 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on November 25, 2018, 03:43:34 PM
Emory took a 20 point or so loss to Randolph Macon at home, despite big games from four of the starting five.  The final score in that game: 94-74.

I watched that game.  The announcer said it is the first loss for Emory at home to a non-UAA team since November 2012. I was very curious as to how this game would go since I first knew it was scheduled. Emory is a bit younger than Randolph-Macon, who has four very experienced seniors who all play lots of minutes and three of whom start. I think R-MC's experience showed today. They stayed poised in spite of foul trouble for a number of players. Their defense against a high scoring offense (averaging 97+ per game prior to today) was solid.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 25, 2018, 04:28:59 PM
Thanks for that post.  Very interesting.  And, the first non-conference loss at home since 2012?  Wow.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 25, 2018, 04:39:08 PM
Washington University moves to 3-2 after a convincing 89-70 win over Carthage after leading by as many as 26.

The Bears shot 54% from the field and 50% from the perimeter.  Nolan led all scorers with 24 points and both Hardy (7-11) and Nester (8-10, 4-5 from three) finished with 20. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 27, 2018, 12:33:25 PM
I did not get a chance to post UAA results over the weekend other than the Emory and Washington University results, but the UAA is 26-13 and is currently rated 6th in the Massey conference ratings.

I did get to watch the last minutes of the Carnegie Mellon loss to Hamilton.  The Tartans trailed by 4 points with just under 2 minutes left to play, but struggled to close out the game.  The Carnegie Mellon outrebounded Hamilton by 12, but had a 22 turnovers compared to just 7 by Hamilton.

UAA fans get 5 games before the weekend including a big match-up between Chicago and Wheaton in which the Maroons will travel to Wheaton for the second year in a row.

I am definitely looking forward to the weekend...

Washington University welcomes Pomona-Pitzer, UW-Platteville and Alma to town for the 35th annual Lopata Classic.  I had previously referred to a win over the Sagehens and referred to a potential match-up with Platteville as the big game.

I had a chance to watch the last 10 minutes of the Pomona-Pitzer win on Saturday along with both overtimes, but it is hard to know what to expect on Friday.  I have watched a few Whitman games and they always seemed to wear down the other team over the course of the game.  Pitzer had just 16 turnovers and played well through the end.  The Bears will likely have to take a big step up on the defensive end in order to win this game. 

Incidentally, Washington University has an 8-3 record against Pomona-Pitzer including 4 wins in the Lopata Classic championship game and at least 2 first round wins in the last 10 years.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 27, 2018, 01:07:24 PM
So much for a UAA down year?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 27, 2018, 01:57:04 PM
+1 I had a response to my previous predictions of a down year for the league written in to my previous post, but then deleted it.

The league is arguably down relative to the last 10 years, but is trending back up.

It all depends on the metrics of course. 

Let's see how many teams the UAA gets in to the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 27, 2018, 04:35:18 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 27, 2018, 01:07:24 PM
So much for a UAA down year?

Let's give it a few weeks ... or months.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 27, 2018, 05:08:01 PM
I do think we need to take wait a few months to be sure.

The league does have a few losses that I would have predicted to be wins or close losses, but compared to last season, the league is definitely trending up.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 27, 2018, 05:20:49 PM
Along those lines, I was surprised to see the box score from the Chicago-Lake Forest game.

I was also surprised to see how uniquely cool the Lake Forest gym is from the highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=45&v=9JAowThVHNM

This gym is officially on my #D3Hoops bucket list.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 27, 2018, 06:06:58 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 27, 2018, 04:35:18 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 27, 2018, 01:07:24 PM
So much for a UAA down year?

Let's give it a few weeks ... or months.

Quote from: WUPHF on November 27, 2018, 05:08:01 PM
I do think we need to take wait a few months to be sure.

I don't know about you guys, but in a few MONTHS I expect to be talking baseball, not D3 basketball! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 28, 2018, 11:19:02 PM
The UAA went 1-2 on the night with both Emory and Carnegie Mellon losing tonight.

Emory led at the half after trailing for stretches but went ice cold in the second.  The final score from Sewanee: 83-70.

Case Western Reserve trailed at the half but eventually chased down Thiel with 10 minutes or so left and closed out an otherwise close game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 29, 2018, 01:28:28 PM
Way too early but the order provided by the Massey Ratings is a little surprising...

As I said, the only pick I was confident about was CWRU at five, but they may do better than that.

Rochester
Washington University
Chicago
Emory
Case Western Reserve
Brandeis
NYU
Carnegie Mellon
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 29, 2018, 11:21:04 PM
Chicago lights up Wheaton with a 90-50 win. The Maroons led by as many as 35 in the first half.

I only watched minutes here and there but I was impressed by the defensive efforts of Max Jacobs and company. 

The Maroons held Aston Francis to just 12 field goal attempts and forced 22 turnovers (17 in the first half).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2018, 06:36:11 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on November 29, 2018, 11:21:04 PM
Chicago lights up Wheaton with a 90-50 win. The Maroons led by as many as 35 in the first half.

I only watched minutes here and there but I was impressed by the defensive efforts of Max Jacobs and company. 

The Maroons held Aston Francis to just 12 field goal attempts and forced 22 turnovers (17 in the first half).

90-60.  It was bad, but not that bad.  The lead pretty much stayed the same after ten minutes.  Chicago came out with tremendous defense and then just held steady.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 30, 2018, 08:40:30 AM
Thanks for that correction.

I did mean 90-60, but had posted that one with my phone.

At times Wheaton did get the lead down to 25.  I'll say, the Maroons had the best offensive effort by far going back to the final game of last season.  No superstars, but lots of quality players who contributed last night.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 30, 2018, 10:17:45 PM
Washington University defeats Pomona-Pitzer, 66-62.

It is not often that I can say free throws made the difference in a Washington University win, but tonight, the Bears were 8-9 while the Sagehens were 9-13.  Rucker went 1-2 from the line with 17 seconds left to give the Bears a two-point lead. 

Hunter may have had the biggest rebound of his career on the next possession and then knocked down two incredibly big free-throws to ice the game.

Next up: UW-Platteville.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 01, 2018, 02:07:17 PM
Happy for Hank Hunter, especially after he was plagued with foul trouble for most of the game.  He grew up a little bit at the end of the 2nd half, gaining those three key defensive rebounds without picking up his 5th foul before his game-winning 2 free throws with 2.6 seconds left.

Same goes for DeVaughn Rucker, who had 10 points and 6 rebounds, and carried the Bears on his shoulders for a few minutes when the rest of the offense struggled.  He also showed great wisdom in not losing his cool to a rough rebounding effort by a Pomona-Pitzer player.  Marcus Meyer also turned in yeoman work with a career-high 13 rebounds.

Jack Nolan did his thing when he had the chance, as Pomona-Pitzer focused on shutting him down first and foremost.  Justin Hardy looks like he's a very special find.  The freshman had 20 points on 9-18 shooting which included two 3s.

Encouraging to see the resiliency that was displayed in the 2nd half, when the Sage Hens tried several times to break the will of the new-roles Bears.  Another tough test tonight with UW-Platteville (2-2) who was preseason ranked #10 and who won 24 games last season.  A great championship game to end the 35th Lopata Classic!  Tipoff around 7:00 pm CST after the 3rd place game between Alma and Pomona-Pitzer.

washubears.com (click on the Live Broadcasts link)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 02, 2018, 12:46:23 AM
Washington University falls to UW-Platteville, 64-62.

This is the second time in three seasons that a WIAC team is headed home with the Lopata Classic championship.  Cold shooting was a key factor in both losses.

The Bears were colder than cold in the first half, connecting on 5-25 field goal attempts and finishing with just 17 first half points. 

The stats mostly moderated over the course of the second half in which the Bears outscored the Pioneers by 15.  But the Bears fell short in the comeback bid.

Platteville was better from the perimeter (9-22) than Washington University (7-25) thanks in part to strong perimeter defense and the shooting of Quentin Shields and Justin Stovall who combined to go 5-6 from beyond the arch in the second half.

The Bears surely wish they had a few of those possessions that were lost to unforced turnovers...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 02, 2018, 05:50:54 PM
Brandeis snares Babson, 74-49.

Brandeis has played a weak schedule for sure, but the Judges looked very good today against a team ranked in the Top 100 in Massey.  The Judges move to 5-1 which is the best record in the UAA.

Corey Sherman led all scorers with 25 points to go along with 6 rebounds and 3 assists.  Sherman had an OK season last year as a junior-transfer but has come alive as a senior.  The same could be said for Chandler Jones who had a good first-year campaign, but is playing very well as a sophomore.  Today, he scored 18 along with 6 rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: AmherstRules on December 02, 2018, 07:00:28 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on December 01, 2018, 02:07:17 PM
Happy for Hank Hunter, especially after he was plagued with foul trouble for most of the game.  He grew up a little bit at the end of the 2nd half, gaining those three key defensive rebounds without picking up his 5th foul before his game-winning 2 free throws with 2.6 seconds left.

Same goes for DeVaughn Rucker, who had 10 points and 6 rebounds, and carried the Bears on his shoulders for a few minutes when the rest of the offense struggled.  He also showed great wisdom in not losing his cool to a rough rebounding effort by a Pomona-Pitzer player.  Marcus Meyer also turned in yeoman work with a career-high 13 rebounds.

Jack Nolan did his thing when he had the chance, as Pomona-Pitzer focused on shutting him down first and foremost.  Justin Hardy looks like he's a very special find.  The freshman had 20 points on 9-18 shooting which included two 3s.

Encouraging to see the resiliency that was displayed in the 2nd half, when the Sage Hens tried several times to break the will of the new-roles Bears.  Another tough test tonight with UW-Platteville (2-2) who was preseason ranked #10 and who won 24 games last season.  A great championship game to end the 35th Lopata Classic!  Tipoff around 7:00 pm CST after the 3rd place game between Alma and Pomona-Pitzer.

washubears.com (click on the Live Broadcasts link)

What is Lopata?  I live near the Charles, not the Mississippi.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on December 03, 2018, 10:21:37 PM
Quote from: AmherstRules on December 02, 2018, 07:00:28 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on December 01, 2018, 02:07:17 PM
Happy for Hank Hunter, especially after he was plagued with foul trouble for most of the game.  He grew up a little bit at the end of the 2nd half, gaining those three key defensive rebounds without picking up his 5th foul before his game-winning 2 free throws with 2.6 seconds left.

Same goes for DeVaughn Rucker, who had 10 points and 6 rebounds, and carried the Bears on his shoulders for a few minutes when the rest of the offense struggled.  He also showed great wisdom in not losing his cool to a rough rebounding effort by a Pomona-Pitzer player.  Marcus Meyer also turned in yeoman work with a career-high 13 rebounds.

Jack Nolan did his thing when he had the chance, as Pomona-Pitzer focused on shutting him down first and foremost.  Justin Hardy looks like he's a very special find.  The freshman had 20 points on 9-18 shooting which included two 3s.

Encouraging to see the resiliency that was displayed in the 2nd half, when the Sage Hens tried several times to break the will of the new-roles Bears.  Another tough test tonight with UW-Platteville (2-2) who was preseason ranked #10 and who won 24 games last season.  A great championship game to end the 35th Lopata Classic!  Tipoff around 7:00 pm CST after the 3rd place game between Alma and Pomona-Pitzer.

washubears.com (click on the Live Broadcasts link)

What is Lopata?  I live near the Charles, not the Mississippi.
Definition - A loyal husband and wife alumni, highly successful business people who write BIG checks, fund multiple buildings named after them and writes a little check for a basketball tournament.  Whom also happen to be really nice people.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2018, 03:08:13 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 27, 2018, 06:06:58 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 27, 2018, 04:35:18 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 27, 2018, 01:07:24 PM
So much for a UAA down year?

Let's give it a few weeks ... or months.

Quote from: WUPHF on November 27, 2018, 05:08:01 PM
I do think we need to take wait a few months to be sure.

I don't know about you guys, but in a few MONTHS I expect to be talking baseball, not D3 basketball! ;D

When I posted my comment it was late November. Thus, I was thinking late January - when we've gotten halfway through conference season and are heading into the second set of conference games.

If you are thinking baseball in late January, so be it. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on December 04, 2018, 04:44:38 PM
Sign of at least one UAA team being down.

NYU LOSING TO ALFRED STATE????!!!!  OUCH
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 04, 2018, 05:00:25 PM
File under 's' for: Serves 'em Right to Break a Tooth on a Stone Hidden in the Umpteenth Cupcake They've Feasted Upon in Non-UAA Contests.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 04, 2018, 05:10:30 PM
NYU is not down relative to the last two seasons.

They are more or less where they were before in terms of results.

It is interesting though because they had been the biggest UAA rebuild ever two seasons ago and added quality players both last year and this year.  The coaches picked them to finish fifth in the league this season.

They have been playing without a key senior in Ethan Feldman so there is that.  Otherwise, NYU has work to do.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2018, 09:58:41 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 04, 2018, 05:00:25 PM
File under 's' for: Serves 'em Right to Break a Tooth on a Stone Hidden in the Umpteenth Cupcake They've Feasted Upon in Non-UAA Contests.

I know there has been some kind of effort behind the scenes to have NYU bolster their schedule. I am not sure if the advice has been listened to, but I was asked for some general notes (not an uncommon request in the off-seasons). I am not sure how much of this season's schedule was already in place for the current administration. Maybe in the future we will start seeing a change.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 04, 2018, 11:20:52 PM
NYU does have a Thursday match-up with a 6-2 Albertus Magnus team that was 20-6 last season. 

I am not all that excited by 5 of the 8 non-conference schedules to be honest.

The UAA strengths of schedule summary looks something like this:

Chicago, Washington University, Emory

[big gap]

Rochester, Case Western Reserve, Carnegie Mellon, Brandeis, NYU

I would have liked to see Rochester schedule a Skidmore or Hamilton or John Carroll or Baldwin-Wallace or the like this season, but alas...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2018, 03:20:03 PM
The UAA is currently 37-20 with 4 games to play tonight.

I thought I would take a quick look at the 6-2 Emory Eagles.

I have been talking about this sophomore class since this time last season.  I do not want to discount the seniors, but I have never looked at a sophomore class and predicted three consecutive UAA titles and three deep runs in the tournament.  I believed that before they added two sophomore transfers and still believe that today even though another sophomore is out with an injury.

At the moment, three Emory sophomores are averaging 15 or more points or more per game while another sophomore is averaging 10 or more points per game.  Add in a senior who is averaging 10 points per game.  In rebounding, they have three sophomores averaging 6 or more rebounds per game.

Emory leads the league in almost all key stats including points per game, rebounds per game, three point made/attempts/percentage, assists, and steals.  They are close to leading in field goal percentage, free-throw percentage and so on.

I'll mention two players and talk about the rest in subsequent updates...

Nick Stuck is coming of the bench but is effectively the starting point guard.  He is second in the league in assists (and A/TO) despite playing significantly less minutes.  It helps being on the highest scoring team (by a margin), but Stuck is good.

Lawrence Rowley is one of two players in the league to be in the Top 10 in the league in scoring, field goal percentage and rebounding.  The league has a few 6'5 players who play much longer than that and Rowley is one of them.


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2018, 03:31:20 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2018, 09:22:46 PM
NYU falls to Albertus Magnus, 77-76 after leading for almost the entire game.

Ethan Feldman led the way with 19 points in his triumphant return.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2018, 10:48:40 PM
Rochester chased down St. John Fisher after trailing by 11 at the half to win in overtime, 86-82.

Jacob Witting knocked down two free-throws with 0:04 seconds left and the Yellowjackets subsequently fouled Fisher prior to the inbound pass, trailing 73-72.  Fisher made the first of two free-throws, but missed the second.

Andrew Lundstrom rebounded the ball before passing it down court to a streaking Yellowjacket (could not tell from the livestream) for an easy lay-in.  Rochester got the best of Fisher in overtime.

Rochester should take note as Fisher runs commercials throughout their otherwise free broadcast.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2018, 11:11:35 PM
Also, Washington University defeated Principia by a bunch.  Brandeis did mostly the same against Becker.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 07, 2018, 11:31:19 AM
OK, I guess I have to say something about the Washington University-Principia game.

Arenas had only attempted 4 field goals in the last 4 games.  Platteville was ready for him to pass every time he got the ball in the paint.  He needs to be an offensive threat.  Only 3-9 last night, but keep shooting.

Hardy has had a highlight reel pass in every game and had more last night en route to 10 assists.  Hardy is ranked third in the league in assists and is only getting started.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on December 07, 2018, 12:19:46 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 07, 2018, 11:31:19 AM
OK, I guess I have to say something about the Washington University-Principia game.

Arenas had only attempted 4 field goals in the last 4 games.  Platteville was ready for him to pass every time he got the ball in the paint.  He needs to be an offensive threat.  Only 3-9 last night, but keep shooting.

Hardy has had a highlight reel pass in every game and had more last night en route to 10 assists.  Hardy is ranked third in the league in assists and is only getting started.

Haven't gotten a chance to watch much of Hardy yet. Right now he's averaging 15.3ppg, 4.6rpg, and 3.6apg as a freshman - this kid must be the real deal! Did he have any Division I interest coming out of high school?

Comparing and contrasting in my head a little bit to some other UAA guys that had some success as freshman over the years..

2017-18
Romin Williams (Emory) - 15.1 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 2.6 apg
Jack Nolan (WashU) - 11.6 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.2 apg

2016-17
Jimmy Martinelli (NYU) - 8.9 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 1.5 apg

2014-15
Ross Udine (NYU) - 9.2 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 5.5 apg

2012-13
Jordan Smith (Chicago) - 7.9 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.7 apg

2010-11
Jake Davis (Emory) - 13.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.9 apg

2009-10 (really jumping in the time machine here..)
John DiBartolomeo - 11.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg, and 4.6 apg

Speaking purely from a statistics perspective Hardy is on pace to have one of the best rookie season's in recent memory. However, we all know - the season is long.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 07, 2018, 03:02:13 PM
Hardy did have at least one Division I offer according to the reportage, but had considered a handful of Division II offers.

Matt Schner is no longer eligible for ROY honors, but in his first season on the floor, he is averaging 30 minutes, 11 points (50% from the field) and 7 rebounds per game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 08, 2018, 02:48:07 PM
Brandeis falls to Wesleyan, 78-67 in a game that was much closer than the score. The Judges led for a minute or so with under 10 minutes to play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 08, 2018, 05:07:33 PM
Chicago loses on the road to Albion in overtime, 75-69. One notable stat: 7-31 from three point range.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 11, 2018, 05:16:17 PM
Rochester is 9-0 after two good wins over the weekend and are coming in at No. 13 on in the rankings. 

It is probably time to talk about the Yellowjackets.

I have not paid as much attention to Rochester as I have in previous seasons and I made that obvious last week when I criticized their schedule and suggested a few examples of teams they should schedule and included a team that they already played this season.  Proof positive that no one should take me too seriously.

The Yellowjackets were ORV in the preseason and picked to finished second in the league by the coaches and two or three posters.  They are currently No. 24 in the Matt Snyder efficiency ratings and No. 15 in the Massey Ratings to go along with the No. 13 ranking.

I have not watched much of Rochester because they were the most known of all the UAA schools, returning their first team and second team all-UAA guards in Clamage and Wittig and nearly everyone else.  They have three other senior guards including Mangan and reserves Gamble and O'Shea. 

Rochester lost two forwards who combined for 35 minutes, 12.2 points, 8.3 rebounds per game last season, but returned a Lundstrom and Benka, both upperclassmen who played 18 and 20 minutes respectively along with a sophomore in Algier who has worked his way in to the rotation this season.

They generally pass the eye test and have closed out a few close games...

I have a few concerns as the head in to league play...

In terms of personnel, they are mostly the same team that went 16-9 last season and went 0-6 against Emory, Chicago and Washington University.  They only have two players averaging more than 10 points, but others have stepped up throughout the season.  As compared to the league, they rank No. 5 in rebounds and turnovers and 7th in three point field goal percentage.

Despite my concerns about the relatively weak non-conference schedule, I want to buy Rochester, but I do not see them finishing better than 1-1 against the other top three.  They get Emory at home to start the season which bodes well if they can start off with a win.

Who knows?  Is Rochester the 13th best team in the nation?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Caz Bombers on December 11, 2018, 09:34:52 PM
after getting clobbered by a 3-3 Ithaca team, gonna go with "no" to the above query.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 11, 2018, 11:00:45 PM
+1 Massey had given Rochester an 87% chance for the win of Ithaca College, but instead they fall 85-70.  The Bombers shot better from three point range (14-30) and better over all en route to the win.

Brandeis had the game of the night with a almost-buzzer beater to defeat Emerson, 75-72.  Emerson tied the game with a three pointer with 20 or so seconds left.  Brandeis responded with a Corey Sherman three leaving less than a second on the clock.  Brandeis is 7-2.

NYU defeats Hunter, 89-76.  Two key players are not listed in the box score.  Not sure the status, but the Violets are going to struggle in the league without those players on the floor.

Emory gets the 92-83 win over Berry.

Washington University defeats Fontbonne, 83-54.
The offense looked so much better tonight than it did a month ago.  Ball movement!

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 20, 2018, 01:34:51 PM
The UAA is 51-24 with one game to go before the Christmas holiday and twelve games to go before league play begins.

Here are a few random thoughts...

Carnegie Mellon, Case Western and Chicago went 4-0 over quality opponents with Case Western Reserve scheduled to play 8-2 Plattsburgh State tonight.  The computers are giving the Spartans a 21% and 33% respectively.

Five teams have won 70% or more of their games this season and only two teams hold a losing record.

Rochester is the only team in the Top 25, but I do expect them to fall out after the first or second weekend of league play.  There is no way they beat Emory.  Emory should play themselves back in by the way.  That is my prediction and I am sticking to it.

Massey prefers Chicago over everyone else at No. 35 followed by Rochester (No. 38), Washington University (No. 54), Emory (No. 58), Brandeis (No. 95), Case Western Reserve (No. 121), Carnegie Mellon (No. 198), and NYU (No. 282).

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 20, 2018, 04:09:34 PM
Case Western Reserve falls to Plattsburgh State, 88-69.  The Spartans had a nice run early in the second after trailing by as many as 20 in the first half before eventually going on a few nice runs early in the second.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 21, 2018, 10:34:12 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 20, 2018, 04:09:34 PM
Case Western Reserve falls to Plattsburgh State, 88-69.  The Spartans had a nice run early in the second after trailing by as many as 20 in the first half before eventually going on a few nice runs early in the second.

Plattsburgh currently ranked #13 in d3hoops Top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 24, 2018, 02:49:45 PM
Merry Christmas to #d3hoops fans in general and UAA fans in particular. Not to mention the players, coaches and families.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 27, 2018, 04:24:18 PM
Just looking ahead to the non-conference games left...as well as the first two weekends of UAA play.

Brandeis hosts Bowdoin on Sunday.  Then Brandeis hosts NYU before traveling to Cleveland and Pittsburgh. 

Carnegie Mellon plays at Division I Akron and hosts Marymont next Wednesday.  Then hosts Carnegie Mellon, Brandeis and NYU.

Case Western Reserve hosts Oberlin next week Thursday.  Then travels to Pittsburgh before hosting NYU and Brandeis.  Massey gives Case a 47%, 85% and 55% chance of winning those league games.

Chicago hosts Millikin on Sunday, then hosts Washington University, Rochester and Emory.  Massey gives Chicago a 64%, 68% and 73% chance at winning those league games.

Emory hosts 9-0 and Massey No. 34 ranked Oswego State and East Texas Baptist over the weekend. Then Emory travels to Rochester before heading to Chicago and St. Louis.

NYU travels to West Connecticut on Sunday and Pitt-Bradford on Wednesday.  NYU then travels to Brandeis, Case Western Reserve and Carnegie Mellon.

Rochester plays at Catholic next Wednesday. Then Rochester hosts Emory before traveling to St. Louis and Chicago.  Massey gives Rochester a 66%, 32% and 38% chance of winning those league games.

Washington University plays at 10-1 and No. 3 ranked Augustana on Saturday and at Westminster on Monday.  Then Washington University travels to Chicago before hosting Emory and Rochester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 27, 2018, 04:30:12 PM
By the way, Brandeis is clearly the UAA story of the year.  After everything they went through last season and in to the summer, they go 7-2 with more or less the same roster they had a season ago.  They have one of the easier schedules though so we will have to see how everything goes in Week 3 and Week 4.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2018, 04:57:53 PM
Emory is thoroughly outplaying 9-0 ORV Oswego State as they lead 41-24 at the half.  Clay Washburn has returned for the Eagles and is on pace for a career game and leads all scorers with 10.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2018, 05:58:26 PM
Emory finishes off Oswego State, 91-73.

A quality win for the Eagles.  Matt Davet led the way, finishing with 20 points and 8 rebounds.  Matt Schner and Clay Washburn finished with 16 and 15 points.

Washington University tips off at Augustana in two hours...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on December 29, 2018, 08:23:37 PM
Tied at 15 between WashU and Augie Middle 1st H
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2018, 08:47:40 PM
Washington University trails Augustana, 40-29 at the half.

The Bears took a 18-15 lead and then went cold.

The Bears are struggling with fouls as four players are carrying two fouls each.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2018, 09:55:53 PM
Washington University loses to Augustana, 77-63.

That 18-15 lead was the last of the night.

Pros: defense (mostly)
Cons: offense

The Bears shot a dreadful 14% from three point range (the biggest difference in the game) and struggled on the boards (-14).  Washington University registered 26 fouls (21 for Augustana) in a tightly called game (understatement).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 30, 2018, 04:37:41 PM
Chicago battles back from an early 15 point deficit to lead Millikin at the half 37-33.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 30, 2018, 05:58:04 PM
Millikin ends up pulling away in the final two minutes to beat the Maroons, 84-78, at Ratner.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 30, 2018, 11:33:58 PM
I thought for sure Chicago would close out that game when I turned it off.  It's been an up and down season for the Maroons just like everyone else in the league.

NYU got a good win this afternoon at Western Connecticut.

Brandeis lost to Bowdoin.

Emory and Carnegie Mellon had exactly the results as expected.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 31, 2018, 06:37:54 PM
Washington University defeats Westminster in my new favorite gym, 92-80.

The Bears shot well and absolutely destroyed the Blue Jays on the boards, but struggled a bit with the Westminster pressure in a game in which the officials called a fraction of the fouls committed.

I am feeling pretty good about this team going in to league play, but still some work to do.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 03, 2019, 09:57:06 AM
Rochester, Carnegie Mellon and NYU won last night...

Case Western Reserve hosts Oberlin tonight.

The UAA finished 2018 with one of the best winning percentages in Division III and ranked fifth by Massey.

As for the league games on Saturday, I feel confident in picking the winning team in three of the four games.

Emory will win at Rochester.

Brandeis will defeat NYU at home.

Case Western Reserve will win at Carnegie Mellon.

The computers have Washington University and Chicago as dead even and I think that may be right.  The last two January games featured dramatic finishes.  I would not be surprised to see that again.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 03, 2019, 11:53:19 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 03, 2019, 09:57:06 AM
The UAA finished 2018 with one of the best winning percentages in Division III and ranked fifth by Massey.

That is consistent with the tracking hopefan does which can be found here: http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=8569.msg1914039#msg1914039
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 03, 2019, 03:50:48 PM
Thanks, I am not sure if I ever look at that thread, but very interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 03, 2019, 04:39:37 PM
Just thinking more about the Washington University-Chicago match-up...

A quick look at key shooting and rebounding stats:

Shooting (Guards):

Nester, 12.3 points per game, 41% from three
Nolan, 16.9 points per game, 38% from three
Arenas, 6.1 points per game, 40% from three

Karras, 12.8 points per game, 42% from three
Schmitz, 9.8 points per game, 39% from three
Baum, 11.4 points per game, 57% from the field (32.4% from three)
Jacobs, 6.6 points per game, 50% from the field
Jackson, 6.5 points per game, 39% from the field

Shooting (Forwards)

Hardy, 14.8 points per game, 56% from the field
Hunter, 12.3 points per game, 66.7% from the field
Rucker, 7.1 ponts per game, 44% from the field
Meyer, 6.5 points per game, 44% from the field

Lavrie 9.8 points per game, 38% from the field
Jacobsen, 8.4 points per game, 61% from the field
McDaniel, 5.8 points per game, 49% from the field

Rebounds:

Hunter, 8.2 rebounds per game
Meyer, 5.4 rebounds per game
Hardy, 5.0 rebounds per game
Rucker, 4.9 rebounds per game

Jacobsen, 7.5 rebounds per game
Baum, 5.9 rebounds per game
Lavarie, 5.4 rebounds per game
Schmitz, 4.9 rebounds per game
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 04, 2019, 11:00:44 PM
Thankfully, Jake Fenlon and his 6 treys and 31 points from the last outing between the teams in Chicago have moved on.  However, Jordan Baum will be troublesome...he was 6-9 from 3-point range with 7 assists.  Max Jacobs was 6-8 shooting and had 12 points and 10 rebounds.  And, as a team, Chicago shot 20 FTs overall to only 7 for WashU.  The Bears did have an edge in bench points, 17-4.

So, I'd like to see Jack Nolan explore more drives to the basket to draw a few more fouls and take his nice FT% to the line more often...UAA Co-Player of the Week Hank Hunter has to stay out of foul trouble and offset Jacobs...and the Bears will have to keep a lid on Chicago's points from WashU turnovers.  The Maroons scored 24 points from 14 WashU turnovers in their last meeting...a ratio of 1.7 points per turnover.  1.5 per turnover is ideal, 1.7 is nirvana.  The Bears, on the other hand, got only 14 points from 13 Chicago turnovers.    A substandard ratio of 1.08 pts/TO.

It will be fun to watch...the start of UAA play is always exciting!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 05, 2019, 08:57:33 AM
The Chicago-Washington University definitely lives up to the throw out the record book cliche more than any other UAA rivalry. #LetsGoWashU
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 05, 2019, 03:05:39 PM
Rochester leads Emory 47-41 early in the second half.  Emory losing would negate my predictions but would be ideal for everyone else.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 05, 2019, 03:52:20 PM
Rochester gets the win over Emory, 87-76 at home. Wow.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 05, 2019, 04:51:21 PM
Washington University trails Chicago at the half, 47-34.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 05, 2019, 04:57:43 PM
Headlines of the game:  Chicago 7-15 from 3, WashU 0-4; and Chicago has 12 POTs (points off turnovers) from 6 WashU turnovers, while WashU has 2 POTs from 5 Chicago turnovers.  Chicago almost pitching a perfect game in the POT ratio in the first half, getting 2 points for each Bears turnovers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 05, 2019, 05:34:33 PM
WashU cut the Chicago lead from 16 to 5 with 8:00 2nd half, but Chicago back to 10 with 6 left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 05, 2019, 05:50:37 PM
Chicago 88, WashU 80 FINAL

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 06, 2019, 10:46:06 PM
A few thoughts on the first weekend of league play...

As for the 88-80 win by UChicago over Washington University, I thought it was one of the best games I have seen by either team this season.  I still see the teams as even, but Chicago played a better on Saturday.

Last week I posted the three-point field goal percentages of the three of the five guards most likely to shoot from the perimeter.  Those guards went 1-14 from three point range. 

The forwards on the other hand...freshman Zach Munson had shot 1-5 from the perimeter coming in to the game, but went 2-3 on Saturday while Dominic Lavrie was 4-29 but went 3-4.  Munson played a strong 16 minutes coming in for Jacobsen who was on the bench in street clothes.

I did not mention the percentage for Justin Jackson because he had not been shooting a lot, but on Saturday, he went 3-3 from the perimeter and 4-4 overall in his first start of the season before going out early with a injury.  I really like Jackson as a player.

Washington University had yet another dismal effort from three point range going 3-13.  The Bears did shoot 53% from the field, but gave up a few too many second chances to Chicago who registered 14 offensive rebounds.

AS FOR THE REST OF THE LEAGUE...

Every losing team shot 20-25% from the perimeter including Emory who lost on the road at Rochester, NYU who lost at Brandeis and Case Western Reserve who lost at Carnegie Mellon.  Incidentally, I may be shooting 20-25% in my predictions this season...

In regards to Carnegie Mellon, senior Seth Henry had another big game and is quietly making a case for league player of the year honors.  He is currently second in the UAA in scoring (16.9), third in rebounds (8.9), and third in field goal percentage (63%)

So, the four winning teams hold serve as they say with the top 4 teams playing each other next weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 07, 2019, 09:01:14 AM
Just a quick look at the latest Massey Rankings and SOS: Rochester 26 (143), Chicago 37 (19), Emory 50 (110), Washington University 62 (33), Brandeis 102 (209), Carnegie Mellon 150 (66), Case Western Reserve (207), NYU 236 (322).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 08, 2019, 10:48:37 AM
Looking ahead for the games this weekend, Emory will travel St. Louis on Friday and Chicago on Saturday looking to get the big road wins.  Emory is 0-1, but going 2-0 on the weekend would give the Eagles the early momentum.

Emory is out scoring every other team in the league by a margin.  Emory is scoring 91 points per game compared to 78 for Washington University and Chicago.  They are giving up more points though against an arguably weaker schedule.

They are the only team with five players averaging in double figures with Williams leading the league at 17 points per game.  As a team, they are not the best three point shooting team (only Washburn shoots over 40%), but everyone can knock them down.

Emory also leads the league in assists, tied with Chicago...  Stuck is second in the league in assists overall despite averaging 20 minutes a game.

Their primary scoring and rebounding options look like this:

Williams: 17 points, 4 rebounds
Davet: 16.8 points, 6.5 rebounds
Rowley: 14.5 points, 8.2 rebounds
Schner: 11.7 points, 6.1 rebounds
Baitey: 10.5 points, 4.0 rebounds
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 11, 2019, 11:05:13 AM
Expanding on the last post to include Rochester.

I have had my doubts about Rochester and they have mostly proved me wrong.  They will have two opportunities to prove me a wrong again this weekend as they travel to Chicago tonight and Washington University on Sunday (possibly through 6-9 inches of snow).

Not a lot to say otherwise, but a veteran team that plays very well together.

Their primary scoring and rebound options:

Clamage: 14 points, 7.1 rebounds
Wittig: 12.8 points, 47.1% from three-point ranges (and 4.0 apg)
Lundstrom: 8.3 points, 3.8 rebounds
Gamble: 7.4 points, 3.7 rebounds
Benka: 6.9 points, 1.6 rebounds
Algier: 6.8 points, 3.7 rebounds
Mangan: 6.1 points, 3.1 rebounds
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 11, 2019, 03:57:06 PM
Probably gonna be a sparse crowd for Wash U/Emory tonight. I had contemplated going earlier in the week, but will stay off the roads tonight. Other D3 StL games tomorrow are postponed. I assume Emory got in yesterday?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on January 11, 2019, 05:51:16 PM
I have regrettably not been as active following so far this season, but with the turn of the new year and UAA play upon us, I'll stage a come back.

It was an exciting first week of UAA action and I'm looking forward to the games tonight. This league is always full of great match ups and there's a lot at stake for a number of teams this weekend. I'd say I'm most excited for this Rochester @ Chicago match up, but here are some of my thoughts on the games tonight.

Brandeis @ Carnegie Mellon
It's awesome seeing the turn around this Brandeis team has made under first year head coach Jean Bain. Though a bit inconsistent thus far, I think Corey Sherman is among the best in the league at scoring the ball. Brandeis dropped a Monday game to Amherst but started off their UAA season on the right foot with a win over NYU.

After a slow start, Carnegie has polished off 4 straight wins including their UAA opener against a tough Case rival. Seth Henry has been in and out of the lineup (anyone know the cause?) but put up a big stat line last week. I'm sure they're looking for a big game out of Zach Howarth tonight as well.

Both of these teams have got to be hungry for a 2-0 start - something I'm not sure we've seen much of out of either of these programs in a while. I think it will be a close one to the finish. Assuming Seth Henry is playing tonight, I think Carnegie Mellon protects their home court.

Prediction: Carnegie Mellon 75 Brandeis 70

NYU @ Case Western
A much improved defensive team since last season, NYU had a tough time scoring the ball in their UAA opening loss. With Ethan Feldman having only played one game this season, I think the team is still searching for a consistent perimeter threat on the offensive end. Dom Christiano has been fairly consistent this season inside.

Case dropped their opener at Carnegie after giving up 85 points. It doesn't seem like anyone has emerged as a consistent 20-point threat, but they do have a number of guys that can put the ball in the hole.

Case has dropped three games in a row, two of which have been at home. Against a team like NYU at home, this is a game they do not want to drop. Both teams are seeking to avoid an 0-2 UAA start. I'm not entirely sure what to make of this game, but I'm going to take NYU and a big game out of Christiano.

Prediction: NYU 83 Case Western 77

Emory @ WashU
Emory has really wow'd in their ability to score the ball. Romin Williams, Matt Davet, and a few other sophomores have really stepped up for them and are  far and away the most powerful offensive team in the UAA. As seen through their first game at Rochester, this young team still has some experience to gain playing on the road in the UAA.

Considering all that this team lost coming into the season, they've really been battle tested through their schedule. Nolan, Hardy, and Hunter are all gaining experience in a similar way to Emory's young team. Recent match ups @ Augie and @ Chicago are only helping with this.

The former UAA champion and runner-up are both coming off UAA opener losses. Starting league play 0-2 is far from the start either Zimmerman or Juckem would have forseen. This match up was the best in the league last season, and I'm certain it will be entertaining this year as well. In a close hard fought game, Emory's offense will just be too much for WashU.

Prediction: Emory 86 WashU 78

Rochester @ Chicago
The two unbeaten's I am most looking forward to watching.

Rochester opened UAA play with a gutsy win against Emory. The senior duo of Clamage and Wittig showed their senior experience and how they're two of the most efficient players in the league.

Chicago opened the UAA season with a hot shooting start - seven guys hit a total of 12 team 3's (Karras only accounted for one of these). Dominic Laravie has been on fire over the past two games of which he's averaged 22 points.

*To note, UAA teams with home court advantage went 4-0 in the first weekend. Chicago has home court this weekend and if they can find a way to continue the shooting ride, they may pull it out tonight. But I do think after beating the stat sheet stuffing Emory, Flockerzi will have Rochester well-equipped to guard this Chicago team for 40 minutes.

Prediction: Rochester 73 Chicago 65

Any thoughts before tip off in a few hours?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 11, 2019, 08:42:24 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 11, 2019, 03:57:06 PM
I assume Emory got in yesterday?

Yes, the trip to St. Louis is always the day prior. The game has been delayed as the officials were late getting to the Women's game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 11, 2019, 10:42:35 PM
Chicago 85
Rochester 80

Great game, with some big runs going both ways. The Maroons got the last run, as Noah Karras and Jordan Baum knocked down a bunch of big jumpers in the final there minutes to bring Chicago back from behind, while Cole Schmitz made some huge tough rebounds in traffic. Rochester, which got a lot of contributions from beyond the arc from players who normally don't shoot well from out there, undoubtedly missed Andrew Lundstrom down the stretch, as he got tossed from the game early in the second half after drawing his second technical.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 11, 2019, 11:01:38 PM
Emory leads Washington University, 53-51 at the half.

One of the best games I have watched all season but the Bears have left so many baskets on the rim. Should be winning...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 11, 2019, 11:38:25 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 11, 2019, 11:01:38 PM
Emory leads Washington University, 53-51 at the half.

One of the best games I have watched all season but the Bears have left so many baskets on the rim. Should be winning...

Both teams are over 50 at the half, and you are denigrating your teams OFFENSIVE performance??!!  OMG!  Has either team ever heard of the concept of defense? :o
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 11, 2019, 11:49:27 PM
Mind your own...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 12, 2019, 01:10:59 AM
Emory gets the 108-98 win over Washington University.

This game was almost an instant classic, a game worthy of the hype we heard earlier in the week about the of the battle of the Whits.  However, Emory, holding on to a two-point lead with just over 3:00 minutes left, the Eagles pulled down key boards and managed to get to the line to extend the lead and the game was over.

Rucker was asked to do the heavy lifting tonight; he did that and then some finishing with 25 points and 8 rebounds.  Hardy finished with 23 points and 7 rebounds.  Nolan finished with 19 points, 4 rebounds and 4 assists.

Davet led all Emory scorers with 25 thanks in part to an inspired early-second half performance in which he knocked down three consecutive off-balance jump shots.

Emory is the only team with a road win as they improve to 1-1, one game behind Chicago with the Maroons up next if they can get safely up I-55.

I say this with as much objectivity as I can muster, Emory is one of the best teams in the country and this is just sophomore year.

_____________
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2019, 09:30:20 AM

I watched a good portion of this one.  It felt like, just from watching, that WashU was the better team.  They seemed that way on the floor.  With reflection, and a box score, it's a little easier to see their youth being exposed.  They're going to get very good very quickly.  Not to short-change Emory; they're very young and talented, too.  It just feels like the WashU ceiling is a bit higher, especially implementing a very different offensive scheme this year.

It might be a down year for the UAA, but that won't last long.

I caught the last four minutes of Rochester-Chicago, too.  I wish I could've seen the ejection - those are always fascinating calls - but the drama was very entertaining nonetheless.  I've seen Rochester close out some close games this year and something looked off to me - maybe its the UAA travel or the very talented Chicago team, but it didn't seem typical for them.  You can also see why Chicago is inconsistent; even in the game you weren't sure who you could count on when, but they've got time to round into form.

I wouldn't be surprised with any of those four teams winning the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 12, 2019, 07:00:23 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2019, 09:30:20 AM
I watched a good portion of this one.  It felt like, just from watching, that WashU was the better team.  They seemed that way on the floor.  With reflection, and a box score, it's a little easier to see their youth being exposed.  They're going to get very good very quickly.  Not to short-change Emory; they're very young and talented, too.  It just feels like the WashU ceiling is a bit higher, especially implementing a very different offensive scheme this year.

Maybe. But I note that Emory won on the road in spite of the fact that Romin Williams didn't play well. He did get his points, but, even if you disregard his crappy performance from beyond the arc, he was not the dominant force that he usually is. His speed typically changes the complexion of a ballgame more than it did when he was in the game last night.

I thought that Davett really carried the Eagles. On the Wash U side, I was impressed by how hard and how well Rucker played all night.

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2019, 09:30:20 AM
I caught the last four minutes of Rochester-Chicago, too.  I wish I could've seen the ejection - those are always fascinating calls -

On both occasions there was hard contact underneath the basket, with the Maroons prevailing and Lundstrom sent sprawling into the stanchion. My guess is that his beefing about the lack of a call against Chicago either got too vociferous or too R-rated both times.

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2019, 09:30:20 AMbut the drama was very entertaining nonetheless.  I've seen Rochester close out some close games this year and something looked off to me - maybe its the UAA travel or the very talented Chicago team, but it didn't seem typical for them.  You can also see why Chicago is inconsistent; even in the game you weren't sure who you could count on when, but they've got time to round into form.

You missed the stretch of the game in which 6'6 sophomore forward Brennan McDaniel was the best player on the floor for either team. He carried the Maroons in the first half, and Cole Schmitz carried them in the second half before the two guards got hot in the final few minutes. If McDaniel, who's never really been a factor before, starts playing like that consistently, the Maroons can go to a whole 'nother level.

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2019, 09:30:20 AMI wouldn't be surprised with any of those four teams winning the conference.

My money's still on Emory, although I think that Rochester will make the tourney and Chicago could slip in there as well with a Pool C. Barring a really torrid run by Wash U from this point forward, I think that the Bears are setting themselves up for an outstanding 2019-20 campaign in which they could once again become a national power.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2019, 12:06:32 AM
I think I agree with just about everything you guys said.

Emory will lose a few more games this season, but will ultimately win the league.  Next season will be a fight to the finish between Emory and Washington University.

My only nitpick would be regarding the comment on Williams.  He is uniquely talented player, but he has his All-American quality games and his games in which he disappears.  He was just a bit below average last night mostly because of foul trouble.

You might say the Bears were within two in the final three minutes despite getting only 10 minutes of play from Hunter who also fouled out.

As far Chicago at 9-4 and having played a particularly tough non-conference schedule, it will be interesting to see if the can win enough to get a bid.  No excuses, but I have to think that Emory had an unusually long drive to Hyde Park today after playing later than usual last night and with a Noon game looming...

Fatigue could be a factor for both Emory and Rochester.  The hosts need to take full advantage.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 13, 2019, 08:45:47 AM

The East is a mess this year, so I imagine a Pool C Rochester might be at the table quite early.  That helps your chances for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2019, 12:41:59 PM
Washington University is running a defensive clinic on Rochester, lead 25-8 after 7 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2019, 12:56:17 PM
Rochester heating up...

Though Washington University is also hosting a shooting clinic.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2019, 01:10:45 PM
Washington University scores more in the half than they did in the entire games against Augustana, UW Platteville. Leads 64-30.

Forcing the Yellowjackets to take deep three point shots, forcing shot clock violations, etc...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2019, 02:00:58 PM
WUSTL defeats Rochester, 93-62 in a game that was not that close.  Rochester goes 0-2 on the weekend. Not a lot of room for losses now...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2019, 02:44:16 PM
Chicago and Emory are going to OT.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2019, 03:02:25 PM
Chicago 96, Emory 86

What a weird finish. Most teams win close games by making late free throws; Chicago won this close game despite missing late free throws, as Jordan Baum missed one with 24 seconds left that would've given the Maroons a two-possession lead, and then UC proceeded to miss its first four attempts from the stripe in OT. Emory had baskets on its first three possessions in OT waved off due to offensive fouls.

Cole Schmitz had 23 and 10 for the Maroons before leaving the game to injury close to the end of regulation. Dominic Laravie (15 and 7) took over as Chicago's bell cow after Schmitz went down. Jordan Baum again hit some big shots late and finished with 18, while Max Jacobs added 13 off the bench. Ryan Jacobson played a big role with eight rebounds and five assists, while Brennan McDaniel (seven) and Noah Karras (six) also augmented Chicago's 52-40 advantage on the boards. Emory was sparked, again, by Matt Davett, who had 27 and 11, while Romin Williams had 18 and six assists. Lawrence Rowley chipped in 15 points for the Eagles, while Nick Stuck dished out five dimes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: TheOsprey on January 13, 2019, 03:04:04 PM
Very entertaining game in Chicago.   Thought UC played outstanding defense the final 10 mins., however their ff shooting nearly cost them today.  Who is the announcer today?  He sounds very familiar.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2019, 03:47:47 PM
Thanks as always for the write-up on the game in Chicago.

I am not ready to add an asterisk to either of the results today, but this is always the toughest UAA road trip for Emory and Rochester, surely made tougher by the winter weather.

The league looks like this after two weekends:

Chicago 3-0
Carnegie Mellon 3-0
Brandeis 2-1
Case Western Reserve 1-2
Emory 1-2
Rochester 1-2
Washington University 1-2
NYU 0-3

Emory and Brandeis are the only two teams to score a road win.

Carnegie Mellon is 3-0 after defeating NYU behind another big performance by Seth Henry, but they will have to take their show on the road against the top 4 teams beginning next weekend...yes, I am sticking to the top 4, bottom 4 binary for now.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 16, 2019, 10:05:19 AM
Just looking ahead to the third weekend of UAA play...

Brandeis hosts Chicago on Friday and Washington University on Sunday.  Massey is currently giving Brandeis a 25% and 31% chance of wins.

Emory hosts Case Western Reserve on Friday and Carnegie Mellon on Sunday.  Massey is currently giving Emory a 89% and 84% chance of a win.

NYU hosts Washington University on Friday and Chicago on Sunday.  Massey is currently giving NYU a 14% and 11% chance of a win.

Rochester hosts Carnegie Mellon on Friday and Case Western Reserve on Sunday.  Massey is currently giving Rochester a 80% and 86% chance of a win.

Massey does not see any updates happening, but I will be interested to see the results of that Rochester-Carnegie Mellon game, especially the way the Tartans have been playing lately.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on January 18, 2019, 04:52:50 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 13, 2019, 03:47:47 PM
but they will have to take their show on the road against the top 4 teams beginning next weekend...yes, I am sticking to the top 4, bottom 4 binary for now.

In the words of WUPHF, I am taking all "top 4" teams to win tonight. My predictions:

Rochester 85 - Carnegie Mellon 68
WashU 80 - NYU 64
Emory 94 - Case Western 85
Chicago 74 - Brandeis 69

Hopefully I do better than last Friday's 2-2.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 18, 2019, 05:49:15 PM
But you must be intrigued by the potential of a Carnegie Mellon upset.

It is a road game in a tough gym, but one of the shorter road trips in the UAA.

In regards to player of the year prospects, Seth Henry is currently fourth in scoring at 16.8 points per game and third in rebounds at 8.8.

Zach Howarth is fifth in points per game with 16.6 points per game and is leading the way in three-point field goal percentage.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on January 18, 2019, 06:00:22 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 18, 2019, 05:49:15 PM
But you must be intrigued by the potential of a Carnegie Mellon upset.

It is a road game in a tough gym, but one of the shorter road trips in the UAA.

In regards to player of the year prospects, Seth Henry is currently fourth in scoring at 16.8 points per game and third in rebounds at 8.8.

Zach Howarth is fifth in points per game with 16.6 points per game and is leading the way in three-point field goal percentage.

Absolutely! I will be tuned in and hoping for a close one. This Carnegie team is tough.

My thought is after a 2 game road losing streak, Rochester will be ready to defend their home court. After giving up 93 points to WashU, I'm certain defense was the focus in practice this week. And remember they held Emory (around 94 ppg) to only 76 points two weeks ago in Rochester. I'd be surprised if Carnegie Mellon scores over 70.

But who knows. With the way Henry and Howarth are playing, they may prove me wrong  :o
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 19, 2019, 11:57:39 AM
It was a fun Friday night in the UAA with Emory, Rochester and Washington University picking up wins.

Brandeis trailed Chicago by one with 34 seconds on the clock and two free throws coming when left when the lights went out.  Brandeis hit one of two to tie the game and then got the defensive stop to force and overtime. 

Brandeis again trailed Chicago late in OT, but Colin Sawyer hit a big time three-pointer to take the one point lead.  Chicago missed on the go ahead three-pointer.

Carnegie trailed by three with 1:11 left in the game, but Rochester would pull out the win behind a 41 point effort by Ryan Clamage.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 19, 2019, 12:02:25 PM
UAA Standings

Brandeis 3-1
Chicago 3-1
Carnegie Mellon 3-1
Emory 2-2
Rochester 2-2
Washington University 2-2
Case Western Reserve 1-3
NYU 0-4
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 19, 2019, 12:42:37 PM
It is worth noting that Brandeis has matched their conference win total from a season ago (3-11) with basically the same roster.  My hat is off for Coach Bain and his staff and more importantly for the players who all returned (with one understandable exception) to give it another go...

The Red Auerbach gym was loud last night as it has been in other games that I have watched.  Last season it was mostly empty except for fans of the opposing teams.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 19, 2019, 01:55:16 PM
Ah, the expected parity among the men has emerged!  Six teams within a game of each other, early in the conference race.

Important game for WashU at Brandeis Sunday...Bears need a win to stay within a game of Chicago--who should get a W at NYU. 

Random notes:

Never thought that anyone would threaten Kevin Folkl's career FG% record at WashU (.631), but Hank Hunter is taking aim at it.  Hank was 11-14 in FGs last night vs. NYU, which puts him exactly at .631 for his career so far (101-160).  He is shooting .664 this season, and Hank is only a junior.

WashU's offense percolates nicely when assist totals are at 20 or above per game.  Bears are averaging 90.8 ppg in their last 5 games (3-2 record), and they are 4-1 when at or above 20 assists (21-9 edge last night vs. NYU)

WashU has found a consistent rhythm from 3-point range lately:  in their last 3 games, the Bears are 36-72 beyond the arc for a 50% rate and an average of 12 treys/game (9-20 last night, 45%).  In that stretch, opponents are 19-67, 28.3% and 6.3 treys/game.

WashU is 4-1 when shooting at or above 80% from the free-throw line.

WashU is 5-0 when gathering 9 or more steals per game...it had 11 last night vs. NYU

And, rebounding has been vitally important to its long-time success.  The Bears are 5-0 this season when they collect 40 or more rebounds per game (40-31 edge last night vs. NYU).

As retired head coach Mark Edwards says, "Championships in the UAA are won on Sundays."  Bears need a Sunday win at Brandeis to stay close as the UAA horse race has moved past the quarter pole.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 20, 2019, 12:15:13 AM
As much as I expected parity, I did not expect parity among six teams.  I am wrong again.

Otherwise, thanks for those random notes!

I am looking forward to the early-bird game tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 20, 2019, 11:45:36 AM
Brandeis leads Washington University at the half 29-24 after trailing 10-19.

Both teams struggled early from three but Brandeis started hitting. 1-8 for the Bears. 5-14 for the Judges.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 20, 2019, 12:43:41 PM
Washington University defeats Brandeis, 53-50.

Yet another low scoring game in Waltham.

Brandeis could not repeat the late game miracles.

Key free throws by Nolan and rebounds by Hunter saved the day for the Bears.

Had the Bears lost, they would have looked back at 64% effort from free-throw line and the 15 turnovers (mostly travels) and rebounds lost (even though they won that battle) with frustration.  Instead they improve to 3-2.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 20, 2019, 12:55:11 PM
Emory would have been both teams in just one half of play as they lead Carnegie Mellon 68-42 thanks in part to a 10-17 effort from three point range.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 20, 2019, 01:44:56 PM
Carnegie Mellon scored 58 in the second half to reach the century mark, but ultimately fell to Emory 116-100.  Matt Schner led all scorers with 30 on 13-15 shooting.  I wish Emory had an archive for games.  I would watch.

Chicago over NYU, 74-68.

I thought Chicago was the beneficiary of two blown calls late in the game including a foul that resulted in a turnover and a wide-open three pointer.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 20, 2019, 01:55:37 PM
So much for my random notes regarding WashU's offense, LOL!  One note held up today...WashU is now 6-0 when gathering 40 or more rebounds, with an even 40 today.

Didn't expect a dig-the-trenches defensive struggle on both sides.  Fortunately WashU was up to that challenge, holding Brandeis to 36% shooting for the game and 12.5% in the second half from beyond the arc.

WUPHF, I feel your frustration on lost rebounds, and I am also concerned about the Bears' inability to cash in opponent turnovers at an ideal exchange rate.  Ideally, a team should aim to get between 1.0-1.25 points per opponent turnovers, and anything at 1.5 and over is nirvana.  WashU is far below that, getting only 0.6 points per turnover today (6 points from 10 Brandeis turnovers).  It has been a nagging trend that might bite the Bears in the backside, deeper into the UAA slate.

Other than that, I will defer to the sage WashU Assistant Athletic Director for Communications, Chris Mitchell.  I was late joining the Brandeis broadcast, and I asked Chris how did we get into a defensive struggle today?  I was expecting an in-depth breakdown, but Chris just texted, "It's Sunday, Jay, in the UAA".

Truer words were never spoken...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 20, 2019, 03:27:17 PM
UAA Sundays indeed!  Interesting point about the points off turnovers.  Not something I would have expected to be a concern with this team.

It is too early to talk standings as Rochester and Case Western Reserve had to postpone until tomorrow, however if we assume a Rochester win, we have an five-way tie for second...

Chicago 4-1
Brandeis 3-2
Carnegie Mellon 3-2
Emory 3-2
Rochester 3-2
Washington University 3-2

Chicago has a one game lead with Case Western Reserve and Carnegie Mellon coming to town next weekend.  Chicago still has to play everyone else on the road except for Brandeis.

Emory, Carnegie Mellon and Rochester have two road losses, but the Tartans and Yellowjackets have to go on the road to end the season.

Washington University and Brandeis both have one home and one road loss.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 21, 2019, 01:56:13 PM
Rochester defeated Case Western Reserve, 81-68 in the Palestra thanks to big games by Clamage and Algier.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 22, 2019, 06:31:55 PM
Congratulations to Ryan Clamage for making the UAA and D3Hoops.com teams of the week. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 25, 2019, 02:13:50 PM
Fridays in the UAA.

Carnegie Mellon at Washington University
Case Western at Chicago
NYU at Rochester
Brandeis at Emory

Massey hands the wins over to the hosts. 

I do not see any upsets but I am a little worried about Carnegie Mellon in both games and Brandeis at Rochester on Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 25, 2019, 11:16:00 PM
Washington University defeats Carnegie Mellon 68-56 after trailing at the half.

The Bears had to persevere through the offensive struggles which feature a 1-12 effort from three point range and 11 first-half turnovers and they did in part to Rucker who led the way with a double-double: 19 points and 10 rebounds.  Hunter also had a double-double with 16 points and 11 rebounds.

The Bears looked great on defense and that rebounding margin (+18)...  If you watched the team that lost those two early-season games and then watched the team tonight for the first time since November, you might not recognize them on the defensive end.

__________

Chicago lost at home to Case Western Reserve, 85-80 in what was surely the best game of the night.

Rochester defeated NYU 71-55.  Ryan Clamage led all scorers because of course he did.

Emory dispatched Brandeis, 92-59.  The Eagles had five players in double figures with both Schner and Davet scoring 16 points.

__________

I am not sure if I have ever seen a four-way tie with one game left before the half-way point, but that is what we have.

Chicago 4-2
Emory 4-2
Rochester 4-2
Washington University 4-2
Brandeis 3-3
Carnegie Mellon 3-3
Case Western Reserve 2-4
New York 0-6
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2019, 01:29:48 AM
Sundays in the UAA...

Carnegie Mellon at Chicago.  The Tartans have yet to win a league game on the road.  Unlikely that this changes in Chicago.

Case Western Reserve at Washington University.  Does a resurgent Masiulionis lead the Spartans to their second consecutive upset victory?

NYU at Emory.  Eagles soar.

Brandeis at Rochester.  The Brandeis defense was tight against Chicago.  Can they shut down Clamage?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2019, 01:17:41 PM
The four-way tie is short-lived as Brandeis gets the road win over Rochester, 75-69.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2019, 01:41:57 PM
Dom Cristiano scored 37 points today against Emory but to no avail.  Emory with the runs away with it.  5 players again in double figures.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2019, 02:45:01 PM
Washington University quickly establishes a double digit lead and is never challenged in the win over Case Western Reserve. The final: 88-55.  Nice team win for the Bears. 

Chicago, Emory and Washington University are tied for first at 5-2. Brandeis and Rochester are tied for second at 4-3.  Lots of games left as we move to the second half of league play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2019, 03:53:39 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2019, 10:16:27 PM
Nice interview with Coach McGrath.

I was going to ask a question about Justin Jackson, but McGrath covered that.  I also thought he would have a breakout season.  I did not realize he had three separate injuries.

I had made some references about home and road wins over the past few weeks and had thought about doing the +/- thing but as McGrath said, that is hardly the predictor, at least in recent years.

Not sure I understood his tie breaker reference. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2019, 10:21:52 PM
It was a fun chat with Mike. Enjoyed it and he had a lot of great things to say.

And I honestly lost track of what he said tie-breaker wise as I was thinking about hundred different things. I will try to go back and listen to see what he said and let you know.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 28, 2019, 01:54:45 PM
A quick look at the standings as we move to the second half of league play.

Chicago 5-2
Emory 5-2
Washington University 5-2
Brandeis 4-3
Rochester 4-3
Carnegie Mellon 3-4
Case Western Reserve 2-5
New York 0-7

I do not remember a four-way tie though we have had two and three way ties including the 2012-2013 race.  That one was pretty incredible as Rochester held a one game lead at 10-3 going in to the final game of the season. 

Washington University got the 72-54 revenge win over Chicago in St. Louis resulting in a 10-4 record.

Emory got the identical 72-54 win over the John Dibartolomeo-led Yellowjackets giving the Eagles a 10-4 record.

Rochester dropped to 10-4 and the rest is history.

Washington University walked away with the automatic bid thanks to the head-to-head record.

That was a fun moment as a number of fans waited around in the Field House after the Chicago game...waiting for the final result in Atlanta.  Enough that the PA announcer even made the announcement when the result was in.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 29, 2019, 10:49:11 AM
On a conference call so I thought I would add in the Ken Massey ratings.

No. 31  Emory 5-2
No. 42  Washington University 5-2
No. 49  Chicago 5-2
No. 61  Rochester 4-3
No. 86  Brandeis 4-3
No. 163  Carnegie Mellon 3-4
No. 166  Case Western Reserve 2-5
No. 277  New York 0-7

Chicago and Washington University will travel to Case Western Reserve and Carnegie Mellon this weekend.  Emory and Rochester travel to Brandeis and NYU.  I have to think there is an upset or two in there...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 30, 2019, 11:12:39 AM
A quick look at potential all-Association honors before the second half of league play begins.

Player of the year: The league has a few seniors worthy of consideration including Ryan Clamage and Seth Henry.  No obvious choice.

Rookie of the year: There is only one choice.

Defensive player of the year: This may come down to whomever wins the league.

Coaching staff of the year: if the second half plays out much like the first, the honor will go to the Brandeis coaches.  If a Chicago, Emory, Rochester or Washington University goes 3-0 against the other three and runs away with the championship, then who knows...

Admittedly, too early to make conclusions and to post but hey...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2019, 01:44:23 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 01, 2019, 01:08:55 PM
Fridays in the UAA as seen by the computers.

This week I'll go with the FFTMAG Daily Score Predictions.

Chicago at Case Western Reserve
76-73 win for the Maroons

Washington University at Carnegie Mellon
80-75 win for the Bears

Emory at Brandeis
80-77 win for the Eagles

Rochester at NYU
69-63 win for the Yellowjackets
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on February 01, 2019, 09:48:26 PM
how's that for a thriller Woooopifff!!!   Go Bears!!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 01, 2019, 09:49:35 PM
Rochester squeaked out a win against NYU, 66-63.

Chicago defeated Case Western Reserve, 81-72.

Emory destroyed Brandeis.

And, in the final game to finish with lots of drama as Carnegie Mellon gets the game tying jumper with 5 seconds left.  Washington University inbounds and Hardy brings in down, hands to Nester and some how he gets it off and off the back board for the buzzer beater...  YEAH!

The officials go to the live stream.  Basket good.  Washington University wins 87-85.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 01, 2019, 09:51:27 PM
That was awesome! Let's Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 01, 2019, 11:31:13 PM
As retired head coach Mark Edwards reminded us tonight, WashU has secured its 35th straight winning season.

Bears are showing some nice resiliency for such a young team with a new head coach.  Hank Hunter only had 2 points before fouling out.  Jack Nolan scored 22, but he fouled out on a Carnegie Mellon 3-point attempt that allowed the Tartans to tie the game with a minute left.

No worries.  Along with Nester's last second heroics, DeVaughn Rucker led the team with 7 boards, Jonathan Arenas tallied 10 points and grabbed 6 rebounds.  When one star has problems, others are stepping up to fill the void.

A very fun team to watch...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 01, 2019, 11:32:41 PM
As retired head coach Mark Edwards reminded us tonight, WashU has secured its 35th straight winning season.

Bears are showing some nice resiliency for such a young team with a new head coach.  Hank Hunter only had 2 points before fouling out.  Jack Nolan scored 22, but he fouled out on a Carnegie Mellon 3-point attempt that allowed the Tartans to tie the game with a minute left.

No worries.  Along with Nester's last second heroics, DeVaughn Rucker led the team with 7 boards, Jonathan Arenas tallied 10 points and grabbed 6 rebounds.  When one star has problems, others are stepping up to fill the void.

A very fun team to watch...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 03, 2019, 12:42:00 PM
Case Western Reserve leads Washington University at the half, 32-25.

The Bears had 5 points and 5 turnovers after 8 minutes and finished the half shooting just 27%.

Interestingly, Hardy is 3-4 from three point range after going 4-6 on Friday.  Prior to this weekend, he was shooting in the 20 something percent range.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 03, 2019, 01:32:14 PM
Carnegie Mellon defeats Chicago 71-69 in a game that went down to the wire. #parity
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 03, 2019, 01:54:03 PM
Washington University gets the 66-63 win over Case Western Reserve.

Hardy leads all players yet again with 25 points including a 5-6 effort from three point range and 8 rebounds.  Rucker also scored in double figures.  This team has work to do ahead of the road trip to Rochester and Emory.

Rochester and Emory also win.  NYU managed to keep that game close but the Eagles stretched the lead with free throws.
__________

The league standings with five games left to play and two teams tied for the lead.  Emory will host Washington University on Friday in Atlanta.

Emory 7-2
Washington University 7-2
Chicago 6-3
Rochester 6-3
Brandeis 4-5
Carnegie Mellon 4-5
Case Western Reserve 2-7
New York 0-7
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 05, 2019, 11:36:33 AM
I already mentioned the incredible finish to the 2012-2013 season.

The 2015-2016 season featured a very competitive two-team race between Rochester and Emory with NYU just behind.

Rochester had a one game lead on Emory going in to the final double-header weekend, but lost a double overtime thriller to Carnegie Mellon, 102-97.  Jack Serbin hit a three pointer late in regulation to force that overtime.  Jake Seltzer hit a jumper late in the first overtime to force the second.  Sundays in the UAA!

In the final game of league play and the league championship on the line, Emory defeated Rochester, 84-75 in the Palestra.  Rochester was relegated to a bubble-out team.

Incidentally, that was the season, I believe in which NYU defeated Emory with that incredible full court pass, deflection and lay-up buzzer beating win over Emory.  Just 1.2 seconds on the clock.
__________

As everyone certainly knows, we will have 7-2 Washington University traveling to 7-2 Emory and 6-3 Chicago traveling to 6-3 Rochester on Friday and the travel teams reversing on Sunday.

It is hard to imagine that we have a four-team race by the end of the weekend, but who knows...  As much as I like Emory to win it all, with the parity between these teams, no results over the next five games should be surprising.

By the way, for those Friday games, the HAL supercomputer has Emory with a 69% chance of a win with a 90-85 predicted result and Rochester with a 56% chance of a win with a 75-73 result.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 06, 2019, 02:30:20 AM
The 2010-2011 season was a mildly competitive two-team race between Rochester and Emory.

Rochester held serve at home with a win over Emory to start league play, but lost the first Friday game on the road at Chicago.  Emory lost their second game a few weeks later, this time to Brandeis in OT and would lose a third game to Carnegie Mellon in OT.  Emory did close out the season with a win over Rochester to finish one game behind.

Rochester was the only UAA team to make the tournament and advanced to the Sweet 16.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 06, 2019, 02:16:15 PM
The 2016-2017 season featured a good two-team race between Rochester and Washington University.

The Yellowjackets were picked to win the league by both the coaches (and many here) and entered league play with a No. 3 ranking, before losing at home to the Bears in just the third game of the season. 

A month later, the Rochester returned the favor in St. Louis but had dropped a close game at Chicago two days prior.  Washington University held on to a one game lead. 

Chicago would also get the road win in St. Louis, but not before Rochester had lost to Case Western Reserve.  Rochester would lose a fourth game to Emory and the Bears would finish with just two losses and a UAA championship in the books.

That Rochester team would go on to win three games in the NCAA tournament including a win over host Marietta.  They had Whitman tied at the 1:24 mark with a Final Four berth on the line and down 89-87 with 0:16 seconds, but ultimately fell short.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 04:14:26 PM
Here are the first rankings for the men this season: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 06, 2019, 04:51:47 PM
I have no knowledge whatsoever of these seasons, but looking back, 5-7 of the modern-era league championships have come down to just one game.

2007-2008: Chicago 11-3, Brandeis and Washington University 10-4.
2006-2007: Chicago 11-3, Washington University 11-3.
2005-2006: Carnegie Mellon 10-4, Washington University 9-5, Chicago 8-6.
2004-2005: Rochester 12-2, wins by two game margin
2003-2004: Rochester 1-3, wins by two game margin
2002-2003: Washington University 13-1, Rochester 12-2, Chicago 11-3.
2001-2002: Washington University 14-0, Rochester 12-2

Modern era = post Johns Hopkins University
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: FishStix111 on February 07, 2019, 06:00:58 PM
Long time reader of these boards and first time poster...

But what the heck is happening at NYU? I had a good friend play for the Violets in the mid-2000's and they were a pretty good squad. Moved to NYC after college and I continued to follow them and we went to a bunch of games at Coles.

They were never a perennial power, but were always good enough to beat any UAA team on any given Friday or Sunday. I thought their team just three years ago was good enough to play deep into March.

Doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

I get they just hired a new coach...but he didn't coach for the better part of the last decade. Whats the deal with that? You'd have to think they received some pretty solid applications as it has to be one of, if not THE, highest paying job in Division III. You look at some of the other recent UAA hires and it just doesn't make any sense.

I realize that Coles no longer exists and they are playing at Hunter...could that be part of the issue? I was actually on the Upper East Side last weekend and went to the game against Rochester. They have some athletes, but couldn't put it together for 40 minutes. I thought the crowd and atmosphere were actually fantastic, maybe the smaller facility with one side of bleachers open helped that?

Would love to hear any takes from those who frequent this board! Hopefully the Violets turn things around...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2019, 06:37:33 PM
I'm sure not having Coles and all the advantages that awesome home court afforded them doesn't help. But aside from a handful of years, NYU has struggled in UAA play. Obviously, winless is a different kind of struggle, for sure, but we should have seen it would be bad when they failed to dominate their traditionally soft non-con slate.

I always thought Nelson's coaching resume made him an interesting choice at this level. He had been out of college coaching for a while. But this is also Nesci's roster, so ...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 07, 2019, 07:23:43 PM
Quote from: FishStix111 on February 07, 2019, 06:00:58 PM
Long time reader of these boards and first time poster...

Thanks for reading and posting.

I am not an expert on NYU basketball or anything else related to the sport, I just play one on the D3boards.com.

NYU definitely made an interesting hire.  They must have received a lot of interest.  They must pay very well.

I do like this roster, but I feel like the are underperforming.  They are, as you say, having trouble putting it together.  That was the case last year as well.

They had Ethan Feldman back for one game and had Albertus Magnus on the ropes before dropping that contest.  Injuries have been a problem. 

Let's see what others have to say...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 08, 2019, 10:38:09 AM
Fridays in the UAA.

Chicago vs. Rochester
Washington University vs. Emory

Four other teams playing somewhere.

Last season, the Washington University-Emory match-up had so many sub-plots to discuss, including the various position by position battles including:

Senior point guards with career assist Top 10 credentials...
Senior centers with double-double potential...
Freshman of the year candidates...
Senior player of the year candidates...

Yet, this is still the UAA game of the year with many all-Association-level players between the two teams.

The stakes are just as high in Rochester tonight with the losing team likely out of the race.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 08, 2019, 10:30:01 PM
Fridays in the UAA [insert crying emoji here]

Emory defeats Washington University behind a monster first half and a monster second half.

Rochester defeats Chicago to remain in the hunt.

NYU finally gets a win over Case Western Reserve. 

Brandeis over Carnegie Mellon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 08, 2019, 11:32:58 PM
Unfortunately, I was unable to watch any game tonight, so I'll just move on to the rankings.

Emory 8-2
Washington University 7-3
Rochester 7-3
Chicago 6-4
Brandeis 5-5
Carnegie Mellon 4-6
Case Western Reserve 2-8
New York 1-7

Here are a few sample scenarios that help illustrate the road to the UAA championship...

If Emory defeats Chicago, Case Western Reserve, Carnegie Mellon and Rochester, they win it all.

If Rochester defeats Washington University, Carnegie Mellon, Case Western Reserve, and Emory they become co-champions with Emory and get the AQ thanks to the 2-0 head to head.

If Washington University defeats Rochester, NYU, Brandeis and Chicago, they would still need Emory and Rochester to lose one game to become co-champions, but they need Emory to lose two games to get the AQ thanks to the 0-2 head to head.

If Chicago defeats Emory, Brandeis, NYU and Washington University, then everything is contingent on Rochester who must defeat Emory but must drop one of the other three games left on the schedule.  If that were to happen, Chicago would become co-champions and would get the AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 08, 2019, 11:39:42 PM
I watched the Wash U @ Emory game tonight. Man, the Eagles looked good ... Top Ten good. They could've hung with anybody in the country tonight ... NebWes, Whitman, Augustana, UWO, St. Thomas, you name it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 10, 2019, 10:43:26 AM
Sundays in the UAA.

Two big games today at Noon.

Trying to decide if I want to give $10 to the Rochester athletics department again.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 10, 2019, 11:06:10 AM
^^^ Rochester should be embarrassed to charge anything.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 10, 2019, 12:08:23 PM
At least they are pronouncing the names correctly this year...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 10, 2019, 12:52:37 PM
Rochester leads Washington University at the half, 37-21.

Turnovers continue to be a problem for the Bears as they committed 10 in the first half.  Washington University did a great job defending the screens in St. Louis but not so much today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 10, 2019, 01:20:56 PM
Just about time to switch to Chicago at Emory as the Maroons have rallied from an 11 point deficit to lead by three with 8 minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 10, 2019, 01:52:03 PM
Chicago wins 114-107.

Chicago was holding on to a one point lead with just over two minutes left in the game and then got a Jordan Baum three-pointer and played textbook late game basketball in the second to last minute, rebounding everything and converting (enough) from the line.

Emory extended the final minute and narrowed a double digit gap with a few big shots, but to no avail.

Chicago finishes with 6 players in double figures and led by Noah Karras with 25 points.

Washington University decided midway through the second half to begin playing for next season.  Only one starter played more than 23 minutes.

Rochester pulls even with Emory! Wow!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 10, 2019, 02:50:30 PM
The UAA standings with three games to go.

Emory 8-3
Rochester 8-3
Washington University 7-4
Chicago 7-4
Brandeis 6-5
Carnegie Mellon 5-6
Case Western Reserve 2-7
New York 1-8

Emory and Rochester will travel to Carnegie Mellon and Case Western Reserve looking to go 2-0 and 2-0 against the Cleveland-Pittsburgh travel partners.  The two would then play a de facto championship game in Atlanta.

Chicago is not out of contention, but they will need three wins of their own and a little help from other teams.  The do have the 2-0 lead over Emory but are 1-1 against Rochester.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 10, 2019, 05:02:22 PM
As an addendum to the prior post, if I understand the tiebreaker rules correctly, Chicago does still have a shot at a championship and AQ.

This would require Chicago to win out. 

This would also require the team that wins the final Emory and Rochester match-up in two weeks to lose on the road to Carnegie Mellon or Case Western Reserve next weekend.

Then as far as I can tell, the league would have three co-champions and Chicago would get the AQ thanks to the head to head results against the next in the standings which should be Washington University.

Chicago fans will need to pray or whatever for a Carnegie Mellon win at home.  The Tartans played both Rochester and Emory tough on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 10, 2019, 09:29:16 PM
WashU likewise has a very, verrrrrrry slim chance to win the UAA.  It's a two-stage process, and WashU needs to be best in both stages.

Stage 1:  WashU has to be 2-0 next weekend...Emory and Rochester EACH have to be 0-2...and Chicago has to split or go 0-2.  That would put WashU at 9-4, Emory & Rochester at 8-5, and Chicago at 8-5 or 7-6.

Stage 2:  WashU then defeats Chicago in the season finale to win the UAA outright at 10-4.

If the Bears end up in a tie with at least one of the other teams mentioned at season's end, their 0-2 record vs. Emory trips them up in the tie-breaker process.

The UAA opening loss at Chicago and the 2nd loss to Emory were equally damaging.  If WashU had been able to get one win from Emory, the top 4 teams at season's end could each be 1-1 vs. each other.  Then, WashU could've won the tiebreaker if it swept the bottom 4 teams in the conference standings.  If WashU would go 2-0 against Chicago, it could finish in a tie with the Maroons and then get the AQ.

I'm too far removed from my Probability & Statistics class as an undergrad at Mizzou, to figure out the exact odds for the Bears' slim chance.  A WashU professor would probably be able to figure it out, or if there is someone on the boards here that has that capability.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 10, 2019, 11:35:53 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 10, 2019, 11:51:46 PM
LOL

Drew Pasteur's analysis of Pool C possibles has been updated, and WashU has a 2% chance of getting an at-large bid.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 11, 2019, 01:43:38 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 10, 2019, 11:35:53 PM
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You've still got one last resort left:

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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 11, 2019, 02:07:59 PM
I declare fandom bankruptcy!

Honestly though, this has been a great season to be a Bears fan even if we will miss the postseason.

14-8 and 7-4 with a chance for three more wins.  This with a new coach and a team that returned only one player that averaged 20+ minutes per game and one player that averaged 10+ minutes per game.  The usual disclaimer...

Let's hope the Women's Basketball team, which seems poised to win the league outright this weekend, will host the first and second round.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 11, 2019, 02:26:20 PM
This is a great time to be a Bears fan, even though this season's team will likely fall short of postseason play, because it's obvious that the near-term future of the program is so bright. There will be very high national expectations for Wash U next season, since the Bears are only losing their backup center from this season's team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 11, 2019, 02:43:33 PM
I agree, next year should be a great year to follow Washington University and to follow the league.

I said a few weeks ago that it would be a horse race between Emory and Washington University but I mistakenly thought Baum was a senior.  Chicago loses two key seniors but will not be far behind next year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2019, 12:22:49 AM
 Went out tonight to evaluate a prospect; learned by the end of the game that he was choosing Rochester.
He's Miles Gally  6-9  W/SF  Richard Montgomery High School  Rockville,MD. Can make 3s and FTs.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 12, 2019, 11:55:53 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 12, 2019, 12:22:49 AM
Went out tonight to evaluate a prospect; learned by the end of the game that he was choosing Rochester.
He's Miles Gally  6-9  W/SF  Richard Montgomery High School  Rockville, MD. Can make 3s and FTs.

Thanks for that post.  The last time you posted about a UAA-bound player, if I remember correctly, it was about Becca Clark-Callendar.  Wow, did she turn out to be a player.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on February 12, 2019, 02:26:31 PM
With three games left to play, any thoughts on the UAA POY discussion? Pre-season I suggested Clamage, Williams, Nolan, and Howarth. Here's who I find to be the front runners now.

Most Likely
Ryan Clamage (Rochester)
Romin Williams (Emory)

Possibility
Matt Davet (Emory)
Jordan Baum (Chicago)
Justin Hardy (WashU)

Unlikely
Dom Cristiano (NYU)
Jack Nolan (WashU)
Zach Howarth (Carnegie Mellon)
Dominic Laravie (Chicago)
Corey Sherman (Brandeis)
Seth Henry (Carnegie Mellon)

In the past, UAA POY has been some combination of (1) elite scorer (2) all around stat stuffer (3) on a top 3 team and (4) a senior (there are exceptions). Certainly not an exact science to it as it's voted on by the opinions of coaches. Just my observation.

If Rochester wins the league it should be Clamage. If Emory wins the league, Williams should win it. Should there be a tie or Chicago/WashU find a way to win it, I'm not entirely sure. But I do like the idea of UAA POY coming from the championship team.

I found Sanders, Borst-Smith, Foster, Klimek, and DiBartolomeo to all be great picks for POY in years past. Despite his incredible season, I'm not so sure I agreed with Kupferberg winning POY in 2016 coming from a third place NYU team.

I hope Clamage and/or Williams can somehow squeeze into the All-American discussion as well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 12, 2019, 02:51:07 PM
I was seriously about to post on this and I am working on my first and second all-Association team.  It will be interesting to see with three new coaches, but I am thinking the front runners for Player of the Year are (in that order):

Clamage
Henry
Williams

I have Henry above Williams because he is a senior, but that may not matter.  Williams is so uniquely talented that I would expect him to lock up the honor for the next two seasons.

Hardy locked up Rookie of the Year a long time ago.

I have been thinking about the Defensive Player of the Year award and I have no idea, but I have a few players in mind from Chicago, Brandeis and Rochester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on February 12, 2019, 03:12:23 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 12, 2019, 02:51:07 PM
I was seriously about to post on this and I am working on my first and second all-Association team.  It will be interesting to see with three new coaches, but I am thinking the front runners for Player of the Year are (in that order):

Clamage
Henry
Williams

I have Henry above Williams because he is a senior, but that may not matter.  Williams is so uniquely talented that I would expect him to lock up the honor for the next two seasons.

Hardy locked up Rookie of the Year a long time ago.

I have been thinking about the Defensive Player of the Year award and I have no idea, but I have a few players in mind from Chicago, Brandeis and Rochester.

Certainly agree with Hardy as ROY.

I just can't imagine Henry winning. If Carnegie can somehow beat Rochester and Emory this weekend followed up by a win vs. Case, they'd finish 8-6. But to your point, we have three new coaches in the league voting and have no idea what they may value as it pertains to the award.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 12, 2019, 03:28:34 PM
I agree, I think Clamage has it locked up at this point.

No other player has played the role he has with the results Rochester has had.

Coaches of the year, by the way, seem rather easy: the team that wins it all.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2019, 04:15:46 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 12, 2019, 11:55:53 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 12, 2019, 12:22:49 AM
Went out tonight to evaluate a prospect; learned by the end of the game that he was choosing Rochester.
He's Miles Gally  6-9  W/SF  Richard Montgomery High School  Rockville, MD. Can make 3s and FTs.

Thanks for that post.  The last time you posted about a UAA-bound player, if I remember correctly, it was about Becca Clark-Callendar.  Wow, did she turn out to be a player.

Yes, I did mention Becca but that's probably a miss on my part since i didn't feel strongly enough about her to lobby for her as a prospect(I have a high bar of performance or potential); haven't seen Wash U since
except for the NCAA regional 2 years ago when Scranton was there, so happy that it turned out well for her. Becca was impressive in her hoopsville interview recently which is more important.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 03:21:19 PM
The second week Regional Rankings have been released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 15, 2019, 02:00:09 PM
Washington University Athletics did an interview with Marcus Meyer, one of my favorite players over the past few years.  He generally does not have big numbers, but he has definitely had his share of big plays including clutch free throws.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trrD8oD7A4g
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 15, 2019, 06:27:29 PM
Fridays in the UAA

Washington University hosts New York
Chicago hosts Brandeis
Rochester travels to Carnegie Mellon
Emory travels to Case Western Reserve

I would not be surprised to see an upset just like every other weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 15, 2019, 09:45:33 PM
Case Western Reserve played Emory tough through the first 32 minutes but eventually fell 81-71.

NYU and Washington University are feeding off the crowd.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 15, 2019, 11:20:53 PM
Chicago went 3-0 to start the conference, defeating Washington University, Rochester and Emory to start the season before losing on the road at Brandeis.  They get the second win over Emory to go 2-0 over the Eagles and then lose again to Brandeis, 72-52.

The Judges are the only team to get the season sweep over Chicago.  Remarkable!
__________

In St. Louis, Washington University defeated NYU 73-54 in front of a great crowd.  This game was a lot of fun despite the scoring margin as both teams played incredibly hard.

Nester led all scorers with 22 points (6-9 from three-point range) and Arenas was a man on a mission tonight, finishing with 11 rebounds, 4 assists and 2 steals.
__________

The UAA standings with just two games left...

Emory 9-4
Rochester 9-4
Washington University 8-4
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 16, 2019, 04:17:38 PM
Aren't Emory and Rochester currently 9-3?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 17, 2019, 09:01:32 AM
Emory and Rochester are indeed 9-3.  Thanks.

As for the final Sunday in UAA league play...

Brandeis at Washington University
NYU at Chicago
Emory at Carnegie Mellon
Rochester at Case Western Reserve

I am very excited to see Brandeis though a little nervous.  Washington University trailed by 5 at the half in Waltham and needed late game heroics from Nolan to close out the game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on February 17, 2019, 11:57:34 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 17, 2019, 09:01:32 AM
Emory and Rochester are indeed 9-3.  Thanks.

As for the final Sunday in UAA league play...

Brandeis at Washington University
NYU at Chicago
Emory at Carnegie Mellon
Rochester at Case Western Reserve

I am very excited to see Brandeis though a little nervous.  Washington University trailed by 5 at the half in Waltham and needed late game heroics from Nolan to close out the game.

The final Sunday of UAA indeed! You never know what can happen.

I'm most excited to see Rochester and Emory fight to maintain the top spot that would re-create 2015-16's UAA Championship. For those that recall, Rochester and Emory were tied at 10-2 going into the final Sunday. On this same road trip, Emory lost @ Case Western by 10 and Rochester lost @ Carnegie Mellon by 5 in double OT. Both Case and Carnegie had losing records in league play as they also do now.

That led to the championship game, Emory @ Rochester, to finish league play and determine who would take the tournament bid. Emory ended up winning 84-75 to claim their second straight UAA championship (Box score:https://d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2015-16/boxscores/20160227_sk0f.xml?view=boxscore (https://d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2015-16/boxscores/20160227_sk0f.xml?view=boxscore)).

The seniors for both Emory and Rochester were freshman for that game, so I'm sure they all remember it well. Cool to see Bommarito and Baitey got some minutes in that game as freshman. For Rochester, Wittig and Mangan combined for 31 points in the loss. After looking back at what an amazing career Ryan Clamage has had, it's hard to believe he only clocked 3 minutes that game.

Whatever the case may be, today's slate will be exciting to watch and next Saturday will be an awesome finish!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 17, 2019, 03:56:11 PM
Washington University gets the convincing 75-54 win over Brandeis.

The Bears had one of their best defensive efforts of the season.

No other upsets today so the Bears will not have an opportunity to fight for a share of the title.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 18, 2019, 02:30:05 PM
The UAA has two teams in for the first time since early in the season.

Emory and Rochester are both in after being in and out over the last few weeks.

https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2018-19/week11
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2019, 12:41:43 PM
I thought I would take a shot at the UAA all-Association team.

The coaching staff pick will be decided on Saturday, but everything else could be chosen today in my opinion.

_________

Player of the Year: Ryan Clamage, Rochester
Defensive Player of the Year: Jonathan Arenas, Washington University
Rookie of the Year: Justin Hardy, Washington University
Coach Staff of the Year: Emory University staff

First Team

Jordan Baum, Chicago
Ryan Clamage, Rochester
Dom Cristiano, NYU
Matt Davet, Emory
Seth Henry, Carnegie Mellon
Jack Nolan, Washington University
Corey Sherman, Brandeis
Romin Williams, Emory

Second Team

Justin Hardy, Washington University
Zach Howarth, Carnegie Mellon
Chandler Jones, Brandeis
Dominic Laravie, Chicago
Andrew Lundstrom, Rochester
Lawrence Rowley, Emory
Matt Schner, Emory
Jacob Wittig, Rochester
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2019, 02:12:29 PM
Just look at the Washington University-Chicago match-up.

They will not be playing for anything other than the rivalry, but this game is always entertaining and often dramatic (and occasionally controversial). 

This one will feature compelling match-ups at each position.

I think I have made four of five posts this season in which I listed the Chicago seniors incorrectly.  This has been a good class for McGrath that helped the Maroons finish with at least two more wins than last season against an especially tough SOS.  Those seniors include: Max Jacobs, Justin Jackson, Ryan Jacobsen and Noah Karras.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on February 19, 2019, 03:34:33 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 19, 2019, 12:41:43 PM
I thought I would take a shot at the UAA all-Association team.

The coaching staff pick will be decided on Saturday, but everything else could be chosen today in my opinion.

_________

Player of the Year: Ryan Clamage, Rochester
Defensive Player of the Year: Jonathan Arenas, Washington University
Rookie of the Year: Justin Hardy, Washington University
Coach Staff of the Year: Emory University staff

First Team

Jordan Baum, Chicago
Ryan Clamage, Rochester
Dom Cristiano, NYU
Matt Davet, Emory
Seth Henry, Carnegie Mellon
Jack Nolan, Washington University
Corey Sherman, Brandeis
Romin Williams, Emory

Second Team

Justin Hardy, Washington University
Zach Howarth, Carnegie Mellon
Chandler Jones, Brandeis
Dominic Laravie, Chicago
Andrew Lundstrom, Rochester
Lawrence Rowley, Emory
Matt Schner, Emory
Jacob Wittig, Rochester

I agree with this list for the most part, but two thoughts of mine for the sake of argument:

1) I agree about 75% with Clamage as Player of the Year. If the situation arises where Emory wins Saturday and Romin Williams has a dominant performance, I'd have a hard time not giving him the award. As the leader of a potentially 11-3 UAA championship team, he should be the one to get it. Should Rochester win Saturday? Yes, Clamage 100%.

2) Cristiano has had a strong individual season, I'm not taking anything away from that. But can a player from what may end up as a 1-13 team earn a First-Team spot over guys like Wittig, Hardy, or Rowley? Wittig in particular (a 4-year starter). Whether Rochester finishes 1st or 2nd place in the league, they should have two First-Team guys. I think Second-Team for Cristiano. I'm on the fence about Seth Henry as well. He's had a great year and is certainly deserving of the all-league recognition - but they've only won 5 games. Wittig, Hardy, and Rowley were all go-to guys on teams that finished in the top 3 (pending WashU vs. Chicago).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2019, 05:09:57 PM
Valid arguments for sure.

I think Clamage will get it with a combination of factors: scoring and overall play in conference, leadership and four-year record.  I am guessing that the coaches will assume Williams has the next two years in the bag.

I was back and forth on Cristiano and Henry, but I think the combination of scoring and rebounding is just too intriguing to pass up.  It is an interesting philosophical debate as far as the depth and success of teams go.

Of course, there is an interesting thought experiment to run as to the roles these players would play on a Rochester or Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:36:58 PM
The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on February 21, 2019, 01:02:01 PM
Only two days from the UAA season finale, here are my picks for the final day:

Brandeis 65 NYU 58
Case Western 78 Carnegie Mellon 74
Chicago 82 WashU 78
Emory 89 Rochester 85

I like Emory at their home court on senior day to finish the season, as they normally "defend" it well (figuratively speaking, not literally  8-)). But I do think it will come down to the wire.

This would result in the following year-end league standings:

1) Emory (11-3)
2) Rochester (10-4)
3) WashU (9-5)
3) Chicago (9-5)
5) Brandeis (8-6)
6) Carnegie Mellon (5-9)
7) Case Western (3-11)
8) NYU (1-13)

Versus my preseason predictions:

1)   Emory (10-4)
2)   Rochester (9-5)
3)   WashU (8-6)
4)   Carnegie Mellon (7-7)
5)   Case Western (7-7)
6)   Chicago (6-8)
7)   NYU (6-8)
8)   Brandeis (3-11)

A game or so off on a few of these teams. I far overestimated Case Western and NYU. I had thought there would be more parity between these teams and the likes of the "Top 4" (Emory, Rochester, WashU, and Chicago - where Case/NYU combined for a 1-15 record).

Congrats to the Brandeis team & their new coaching staff who have certainly been a pleasant surprise this season. I wasn't sure what to think going into the season. In one year Coach Bain has helped turn this team around and they have a bright future ahead as a contender in the UAA.

It doesn't seem as if WashU or Chicago have much of a chance for the NCAA tournament, but I think Emory and Rochester are both locks. No matter how unlikely it may be, I am crossing my fingers for an Emory-Rochester rematch in Ft. Wayne!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on February 21, 2019, 01:04:00 PM
Oh, and I will be tuned into Chicago @ WashU. No matter how both of these teams perform throughout the UAA season, their season finale is always an entertaining one!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 21, 2019, 01:45:01 PM
Quote from: uaaaficionado on February 21, 2019, 01:02:01 PM
Versus my preseason predictions:

1)   Emory (10-4)
2)   Rochester (9-5)
3)   WashU (8-6)
4)   Carnegie Mellon (7-7)
5)   Case Western (7-7)
6)   Chicago (6-8)
7)   NYU (6-8)
8)   Brandeis (3-11)

I thought I would add in how the coaches called it...

Emory (6)
Rochester (2)
Washington University
Chicago
NYU
Case Western
Carnegie Mellon
Brandeis

This is how I called it in April and again in November. 

This season I expected more from Case Western Reserve and NYU and less from Brandeis and got the last four picks mixed up, but I did a better job than the coaches.

1. Emory
2. Rochester
3. Washington University
4. Chicago
5. Case Western Reserve
6. Carnegie Mellon
7. NYU
8. Brandeis
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: uaaaficionado on February 21, 2019, 02:03:31 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 21, 2019, 01:45:01 PM
Quote from: uaaaficionado on February 21, 2019, 01:02:01 PM
Versus my preseason predictions:

1)   Emory (10-4)
2)   Rochester (9-5)
3)   WashU (8-6)
4)   Carnegie Mellon (7-7)
5)   Case Western (7-7)
6)   Chicago (6-8)
7)   NYU (6-8)
8)   Brandeis (3-11)

I thought I would add in how the coaches called it...

Emory (6)
Rochester (2)
Washington University
Chicago
NYU
Case Western
Carnegie Mellon
Brandeis

This is how I called it in April and again in November. 

This season I expected more from Case Western Reserve and NYU and less from Brandeis and got the last four picks mixed up, but I did a better job than the coaches.

1. Emory
2. Rochester
3. Washington University
4. Chicago
5. Case Western Reserve
6. Carnegie Mellon
7. NYU
8. Brandeis

You and the coaches nailed the top four. I think I got a little ambitious with Howarth & Henry to lead Carnegie to 4th place.

But you definitely had the most accurate picks! Well done..
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 21, 2019, 02:34:57 PM
Thanks but the only substantial difference between our picks was UChicago, so back at you...

Chicago did graduate two all-Association players who could take over a game and I am not sure I would say the same about the current roster so rating the Maroons was tough. 

They will finish with at least two more wins than last season and one more league win if they win on Saturday.  This against a tougher overall schedule.

I think I said this already, but they are the league enigma.  They will finish no worse than 4-2 against the three best teams and have a good record against RRO.  Emory by contrast would win the league with a 3-3 record against the best three teams.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 21, 2019, 03:01:35 PM
Spartans are a young team, 10 FR, 3 SO, and 5 JR - 0 SR.  Only two players started every game and only three more played in every game. They tended to start strong and then fade as the game progressed.

Ten different players lead at least one game in scoring.  Masiulionis with seven lead the most, but he only started nine games and averaged barely twenty minutes a game. Pretty clearly a team looking for an identity.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 21, 2019, 03:19:18 PM
Those are fair points about Case Western Reserve.

The counter to the point about the roster is to point to both Emory and Washington University as young or inexperienced teams.  Otherwise, points well taken.  I am sure I will keep the Tartans as my No. 5 for next season.  The team has talent.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 23, 2019, 11:03:18 AM
It is hard to believe but we have reached the final weekend in the UAA.

Rochester plays Emory for all the marbles.

Everyone else playing with rivalry bragging rights on the line.

By the way, Massey has the UAA as the 6th best league this season with five teams ranked in the Top 100.  Emory at 28, Rochester at 29, Washington University at 47, Chicago at 58, Brandeis at 73.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 23, 2019, 04:57:28 PM
Washington University leads UChcago at the half, 41-39.  A hard fought game.

In the UAA game of the day, Emory leads Rochester 40-32.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 23, 2019, 05:48:38 PM
Washington University rums past UChicago in the second, wins 81-63.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2019, 06:00:34 PM
Congrats to Emory University on their 92-82 win over Rochester and their 6th UAA Men's Basketball title in program history.

Emory wins the AQ to the NCAAs and is cutting down the nets right now.  The Wash U women cut down the nets last week on their winning the UAA women's basketball title.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 23, 2019, 06:46:49 PM
That is quite the win by Emory.

In the end, they finished with six players in double figures.  Five of the six finished the regular season averaging double figures.  This team should fear no one.

NYU finished the season with a win over Brandeis.

Carnegie Mellon got the overtime win over Case Western Reserve.

As for the Washington University game, Jack Nolan picked a good day to have what is arguably his best game of his career.  26 points for a career high to go along with 6 assists and 5 steals including three early on in the second which helped the Bears pull away.

The Bears had a great game defensively, forcing Chicago to take 50% of their shots from the perimeter.  Chicago shot just 38% from the field.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2019, 06:57:52 PM
Up next for Brandeis is a potential ECAC bid to be awarded on Monday after the NCAA releases its field.  I will see whether Brandeis will have a home game on Wednesday or stay on the road.  I don't expect Brandeis to host an ECAC final 8 next weekend due to geographic reasons.  The previous 2 ECAC men's basketball title games were played in Pennsylvania -- I do not expect anything different this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 24, 2019, 09:34:46 AM
By the way, those final UAA standings...

Emory 11-3, 20-5
Rochester 10-4, 20-5
Washington University 10-4, 17-8
Chicago 8-6, 15-10
Brandeis 7-7, 14-11
Carnegie Mellon 6-8, 11-15
Case Western Reserve 2-12, 9-16
New York 2-12, 8-17

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 24, 2019, 05:34:34 PM
Thanks Jule Brown!

https://medium.com/@Jule_Brown11/thank-you-basketball-2a70e379bcc5
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2019, 01:26:34 PM
We have our UAA NCAA matchups.

The Palestra in Rochester is hosting first/second round games, with Rochester playing Farmingdale St and Amherst playing Rosemont.

Emory goes to Guilford to play Wittenberg while host Guilford of the ODAC plays Sewanee in round 1.

I am not sure that either Rochester or Emory will survive this weekend.  Amherst will be tough in round 2-- while Emory v Wittenberg may be the best first round game of this tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 25, 2019, 01:37:28 PM
I seriously feel as good about the Eagles as I did when Rochester was a shot away from the Final Four two years ago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 25, 2019, 01:48:55 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 25, 2019, 01:26:34 PM
We have our UAA NCAA matchups.

The Palestra in Rochester is hosting first/second round games, with Rochester playing Farmingdale St and Amherst playing Rosemont.

Emory goes to Guilford to play Wittenberg while host Guilford of the ODAC plays Sewanee in round 1.

I am not sure that either Rochester or Emory will survive this weekend.  Amherst will be tough in round 2-- while Emory v Wittenberg may be the best first round game of this tournament.

Yesterday I watched Guilford win the ODAC tournament over Randolph-Macon. Guilford looked pretty good, but R-MC was playing without two starters -- one has been out for a few games and the other went down with an injury in the first or second minute of yesterday's game. Didn't hurt R-MC that much on defense, but scoring and rebounding suffered. I think Emory has a shot in this grouping.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 25, 2019, 02:03:06 PM
I did watch one of the Wittenberg-Wabash games.

The leading scorer and rebounder (averages 18 points, 10 rebounds per game) was not nearly that active in that particular game.  That player weighs 240 so he has a lot on the Emory front court, but he is only 6-6. 

As an aside, Emory has a sophomore in Matt Schner who finished fifth overall in the UAA in field-goal percentage at 57%. That is one of the highest percentages I have seen for a guard.  Ryan Clamage is next in line for guards at 50%.

Schner gets a lot of looks in transition, but dang...

Let me know people, am I crazy to think that is places him high on the list of guard-position field-goal percentage?

Schner averages 13 points per game and also finished first in three point field goal percentage at 44%.  Not to mention, 7 rebounds per game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2019, 04:05:16 PM
Congrats to the Brandeis men on the ECAC bid.

Brandeis is home on Wednesday and will play the John Jay Bloodhounds from the CUNYAC at 7 PM Eastern.

Hood College in Frederick, Maryland gets to host the Friday through Sunday games. (Quarterfinals to title game.)

Winner of Brandeis/John Jay plays winner of Medaille/Marywood in a Friday quarterfinal at Hood at 5 PM Eastern.

If Brandeis reaches the semifinals on Saturday, that tip would be at 6 PM Eastern.

ECAC title game is on Sunday at 1 PM Eastern.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hasanova on February 25, 2019, 10:30:20 PM
Congratulations to Emory on your NCAA berth!  Being in the tournament is always a good thing.

At today's watch party on Guilford's campus, most of us were expecting to travel to Atlanta and face an all Southern field. 

With that said, however, GC is obviously happy to host and would like to welcome the Emory Eagles, the Sewanee Tigers and the Wittenberg Tigers to Greensboro, NC, Guilford College and Ragan Brown Fieldhouse.  As a Guilford alumnus, long time Greensboro resident and President of the Quaker Club (boosters), I'd be happy to answer questions about logistics, parking, restaurants and lodging.  The college and on-campus fieldhouse are located at 5800 W. Friendly Ave, Greensboro, NC 27410.  The campus is in suburban west Greensboro and is easily accessible via I-40, I-73, I-85 and US 220.

Safe travels!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 26, 2019, 05:22:16 AM
Quote from: hasanova on February 25, 2019, 10:30:20 PM
Congratulations to Emory on your NCAA berth!  Being in the tournament is always a good thing.

At today's watch party on Guilford's campus, most of us were expecting to travel to Atlanta and face an all Southern field. 

With that said, however, GC is obviously happy to host and would like to welcome the Emory Eagles, the Sewanee Tigers and the Wittenberg Tigers to Greensboro, NC, Guilford College and Ragan Brown Fieldhouse.  As a Guilford alumnus, long time Greensboro resident and President of the Quaker Club (boosters), I'd be happy to answer questions about logistics, parking, restaurants and lodging.  The college and on-campus fieldhouse are located at 5800 W. Friendly Ave, Greensboro, NC 27410.  The campus is in suburban west Greensboro and is easily accessible via I-40, I-73, I-85 and US 220.

Safe travels!

I am looking forward to following this pod on-line; it should be a great one.  Keep in mind that Guilford already hosted Emory in a women's basketball off-season classic.  The tourney went really well for Emory then.  I like the Emory men's chances in round 2 if the Eagles can knock off Wittenberg on Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 26, 2019, 09:59:23 AM
Quote from: hasanova on February 25, 2019, 10:30:20 PM
Congratulations to Emory on your NCAA berth!  Being in the tournament is always a good thing.

Nice post, nice offer.

I was a little surprised to see that Emory did not have Guilford on the schedule this season after playing them for the past four seasons.  But here we are.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hasanova on February 26, 2019, 10:50:02 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 26, 2019, 09:59:23 AM
Quote from: hasanova on February 25, 2019, 10:30:20 PM
Congratulations to Emory on your NCAA berth!  Being in the tournament is always a good thing.

Nice post, nice offer.

I was a little surprised to see that Emory did not have Guilford on the schedule this season after playing them for the past four seasons.  But here we are.
Thanks.  Yes, Guilford and Emory have been a regular feature in Out of Conference games the past few years.  There are not as many D3 schools south of Virginia, so it makes a lot of sense.  I'm sure the coaching staffs are quite familiar with one another, but ... we both have to win Friday to make a Saturday matchup happen.  No easy task for either team!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 27, 2019, 06:07:02 AM
I am looking forward to a great game tonight between the Brandeis Judges and the John Jay Bloodhounds.  All of the ingredients are there for a close game that could go to overtime.  John Jay plays very good defense, and has 2 very good leaders in Essien Epps and Doug Levy.  I was very interested to learn that Epps could have been a teammate of Marcos Echeverria at Nichols if Mr. Epps chose not to pursue forensics as a major.  I have watching YouTube highlights of a few of John Jay's games from this season over the past few days.  I wil be at Brandeis tonight to see the match.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 28, 2019, 11:41:41 AM
The UAA all-Assocation Team has been announced...

Player of the Year: Ryan Clamage, Rochester
Defensive Player of the Year: Lawrence Sabir
Rookie of the Year: Justin Hardy
Coaching Staff of the Year: Jason Zimmerman and his staff

First Team

Jordan Baum, Chicago
Ryan Clamage, Rochester
Seth Henry, Carnegie Mellon
Jack Nolan, Washington University
Matt Schner, Emory
Romin Williams, Emory
Jacob Wittig, Rochester

Second Team

Dom Cristiano, NYU
Matt Davet, Emory
Justin Hardy, Washington University
Michael Hollis, Case Western Reserve
Zach Howarth, Carnegie Mellon
Matt Nester, Washington University
Lawrence Rowley, Emory
Corey Sherman, Brandeis

Honorable Mention: Chandler Jones, Noah Karras, Dominic Lavarie, Cole Schmitz, Andrew Lundrom, Hank Hunter

https://www.uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/2019alluaa
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 01, 2019, 05:04:38 PM
Somebody needs to wish Rochester and Emory good luck tonight so it might as well be me.  Let's do this!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 01, 2019, 06:12:26 PM
Emory trails Wittenberg at the half, 51-41.

Emory is playing good basketball, matching up well with Witt, but they have 10 turnovers so far.  Matt Schner leads all scorers.

Guilford has an awesome gym.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 02, 2019, 10:57:42 PM
I did not get to watch the second half of the Emory game last night as I had to head in to watch the Washington University women play, but the Eagles had an early exit.  Next year.

Rochester got a good win over Farmingdale last night before falling to Amherst tonight Rochester had the game within 5 with two minute left but could not close out the game.

UAA fans will have just one team to follow in to the second weekend as Washington University defeated George Fox.  This game comes 10 years after George Fox edged Washington University in the national championship game.  The Bears got a revenge win in the sectional round a year later.  The game tonight was just as sweet.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 03, 2019, 02:13:06 PM
  Congratulations to the Brandeis Judges on winning the 2019 ECAC DIII Men's Basketball Championship.

Final score today-- Brandeis 72, Rutgers -Newark 60

MVP: Corey Shermn

Chandler Jones of Brandeis also named to the all tournament team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 03, 2019, 04:27:03 PM
Here is my annual list of key graduating seniors and key players returning next season.

As with last season, I defined key players as those who averaged 10 minutes per game, so the list does not include many players who will play big roles next season.

Emory 20-5, 11-3 UAA
Key seniors:  Baitey, Bommarito
Key players returning: Williams, Davet, Rowley, Schner, Washburn and Stuck.

Lost 13 points and 7 rebounds per game.

Rochester 20-5, 10-4 UAA
Key seniors: Wittig, Clamage, Mangan, O'Shea, Gamble and Lundstrom.
Key players returning: Benka, Noordsij, Algier, Lee.

Lost 51 points and 27 rebounds per game.

Washington University 17-8, 10-4 UAA
Key seniors: Meyer.
Key players returning: Nolan, Hardy, Nester, Hunter, Arenas, Mack, Jacob and Rucker.

Chicago 15-10, 8-6 UAA
Key seniors: Karras, Jacobson, Jackson, Jacobs.
Key players returning: Baum, Lavarie, Schmitz, McDaniel and Colangelo.

Lost 35 points and 16 rebounds per game.

Brandeis 14-11, 7-7 UAA
Key seniors: Workman, Sherman.
Key players returning: D'Aguanno, Sabir, Jones, Hagerty and Sawyer.

Lost 20 points and 9 rebounds per game.

Carnegie Mellon 11-15, 6-8 UAA
Key seniors: Seth Henry, Patrick Ehland.
Key players returning: McNeil, Henry, Howarth, Ehland, Watson and Suddeth.

Lost 21 points and 12 rebounds per game.

Case Western Reserve 9-16, 2-12 UAA
Key seniors: _______________
Key players returning: Nally, Khela, Masiulionis, Hansen, Hollis, Volkening, Ionadi and Newton.

NYU 8-17, 2-12 UAA
Key seniors: Brown.
Key players returning: Moore, Feldman (maybe), Cristiano, Martinelli, Harris, Casieri, Hoppe and Georgidadis.
__________________________________________

Here is my prediction for how the teams will finish next season.  Emory and Washington University will be in a dogfight for the entire season, though in terms of the schedule, I would not be surprised if they play each other two weekends in a row, midway through. 

As for everyone else...I have absolutely no idea.
__________
1. Emory
1. Washington University (tie)

3. Pick-em
4. Pick-em
5. Pick-em
6. Pick-em
7. Pick-em
8. Pick-em
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 04, 2019, 01:29:15 PM
Ebay e-mails me a few times a day trying to get to buy memorabilia from the UAA teams. Today they had something very interesting.

This is apparently a program from a fundraiser match-up between NYU and Carnegie Tech from the 1930 season.  Proceeds from the game were to raise money for a new gym.  Imagine fundraising in this manner today.

This was the first ever game between NYU and Carnegie Mellon according to the NYU record book.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1929-30-New-York-University-Carnegie-Tech-Basketball-Program-RARE/264113406357?hash=item3d7e62c195:g:f4UAAOSwzEVcK4sR:rk:10:pf:0
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 04, 2019, 03:29:40 PM
Tie goes to Wash U.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 04, 2019, 05:11:47 PM
The tie goes to Emory and Washington University by my estimation.

Quote from: WUPHF on March 03, 2019, 04:27:03 PM
1. Emory
1. Washington University (tie)

Both have the No. 1, but only subsequent teams need the tie reference.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 13, 2019, 04:01:09 PM
I miss talking about UAA basketball.

The blog Nothing but Nylon did publish a four-part series on Mark Edwards with the final part published today.  Here is part IV but there are links to start with part I: https://nothingbutnylon.com/mark-edwards-iv/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 13, 2019, 05:02:50 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on March 13, 2019, 04:01:09 PM
I miss talking about UAA basketball.

The blog Nothing but Nylon did publish a four-part series on Mark Edwards with the final part published today.  Here is part IV but there are links to start with part I: https://nothingbutnylon.com/mark-edwards-iv/

I'm guessing next year we'll be talking about the UAA past the first day of the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on March 26, 2019, 11:24:57 AM
The article mentions Max Fried, a future Emory player.  He comes from a very good University School program -- a fellow senior is headed to Middlebury, and last year's team had seniors who are now playing hoops at Williams and MIT:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/article/University-High-seniors-hope-to-go-out-on-top-13672471.php
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 30, 2019, 04:35:08 PM
I have seen Washington University basketball media guides for sale on Ebay for years and I finally bought one from the the 1987-1988 season.  That was a special season even if it was before my time.

The guide featured so much including an interview with Coach Edwards.  This was obviously before social media and the internet so it easy to understand.

In the guide, Edwards was asked: If you could change one rule in the game of basketball, what would it be? 

His response: I am not sure I would want to change anything in the game, but I have often thought that an interesting concept would be that of mandatory substitution.  If no one player was allowed to play more than 75% of the game, we would see a greater number of players having an impace on the outcome of the game.  It would place an added emphasis on the bench players.

The guide was interesting too in the way in which it discussed Coach Edwards and his time at a Division I school as if to establish his bona fides.  The team would make the Elite Eight that season.

The team played Parks College that season.  Parks was an aviation and engineering school that eventually merged with Division I Saint Louis University.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 30, 2019, 08:08:42 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on March 30, 2019, 04:35:08 PM
I have seen Washington University basketball media guides for sale on Ebay for years and I finally bought one from the the 1987-1988 season.  That was a special season even if it was before my time.

The guide featured so much including an interview with Coach Edwards.  This was obviously before social media and the internet so it easy to understand.

In the guide, Edwards was asked: If you could change one rule in the game of basketball, what would it be? 

His response: I am not sure I would want to change anything in the game, but I have often thought that an interesting concept would be that of mandatory substitution. If no one player was allowed to play more than 75% of the game, we would see a greater number of players having an impace on the outcome of the game.  It would place an added emphasis on the bench players.

The guide was interesting too in the way in which it discussed Coach Edwards and his time at a Division I school as if to establish his bona fides.  The team would make the Elite Eight that season.

The team played Parks College that season.  Parks was an aviation and engineering school that eventually merged with Division I Saint Louis University.
The strong would get stronger.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 30, 2019, 09:40:09 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on March 30, 2019, 04:35:08 PM
The team played Parks College that season.  Parks was an aviation and engineering school that eventually merged with Division I Saint Louis University.

North Park defeated Parks by a score of 114-55 in the 1990-91 season, which still stands as the most lopsided win in NPU history. That's saying something, considering that there's been more than once that a Vikings head coach has had to bring in Moody Bible Institute as a fill-in opponent after a late cancellation.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 30, 2019, 08:08:42 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on March 30, 2019, 04:35:08 PM
I have seen Washington University basketball media guides for sale on Ebay for years and I finally bought one from the the 1987-1988 season.  That was a special season even if it was before my time.

The guide featured so much including an interview with Coach Edwards.  This was obviously before social media and the internet so it easy to understand.

In the guide, Edwards was asked: If you could change one rule in the game of basketball, what would it be? 

His response: I am not sure I would want to change anything in the game, but I have often thought that an interesting concept would be that of mandatory substitution. If no one player was allowed to play more than 75% of the game, we would see a greater number of players having an impace on the outcome of the game.  It would place an added emphasis on the bench players.

The guide was interesting too in the way in which it discussed Coach Edwards and his time at a Division I school as if to establish his bona fides.  The team would make the Elite Eight that season.

The team played Parks College that season.  Parks was an aviation and engineering school that eventually merged with Division I Saint Louis University.
The strong would get stronger.

Agreed.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: iwumichigander on March 30, 2019, 09:51:49 PM
Whoa!! Maybe the shortest Sager post in like forever:)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 31, 2019, 08:53:40 AM
Not even. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 01, 2019, 05:50:26 PM
If I ever work up the nerve, I'll have to ask Coach Edwards about that idea.

I do think the idea of limiting any one player to 30 minutes in regulation is intriguing and changes the strategy.  The strong may get stronger.  Unfortunately, we can not run the counterfactual.  It would be much harder for a Wheaton College.

By the way, I am not sure that the suggestion was any more than a thought experiment on the part of Coach Edwards.  The guide also asked about the introduction of the three point rule and Edwards weighed in.  Incidentally, the team made 15 three pointers in one game and attempted 23 in another so obviously his team embraced the change.

I do not remember life before the three-pointer, but I guess that the rule was adopted on the conference level, in a few cases, 8-9 years before the policy became universal.  That is wild.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on April 02, 2019, 09:50:11 AM
Woooopiff... of the same nature... when I was coaching in the 70's at RPI, any coach belonging to the NABC received a ticket to the D1 final four... one of the final fours I went to had an exhibition game on the Sunday of the weekend... I don't remember who played, but they were legit college players.. playing a game with 12 foot high baskets!!!!  needless to say, it changed the game significantly, and fortunately, was never adopted....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 02, 2019, 11:56:51 AM
Thanks for sharing that story. Awesome.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 03, 2019, 03:22:49 PM
As a reminder, my UAA content takes a turn for the worse over the summer (and that is saying something).

In addition to the Washington University basketball magazine, I bought a football magazine that was sold at Francis Field on Homecoming Day in 1963.  The Battling Bears as they used to be known were hosting the Wheaton Crusaders. 

The magazine billed this match-up as the "Midwest game of the week" as both teams were undefeated though Washington University had a tie against Wabash.

It was interesting in a number of ways...

Almost every Washington University football player was from the St. Louis area while the Wheaton squad had players from all over.  Maybe half the team was from Chicagoland.

The magazine included pictures and the team had 4-5 African-American players.  I often heard about the desegregation of the game of basketball, but not football.

The University predicted a crowd of 9,000 fans.

The magazine had almost as many beer and cigarette ads as they did content.  The cigarette ads were clear to point out that their product was sold in the concession stand.  Did the Wheaton policies prohibit smoking way back when?

The team had Valpo and Parsons on the schedule.  Not sure if that was the Parson School of Design in New York or what.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on April 03, 2019, 03:35:54 PM
Woopiffff.... showing my age, I remember Parsons well... seems to me it was a small college football factory

Parsons College, Iowa

"There was a turning point, however, in 1966 when Life magazine published an article criticizing the college and its president. Later that year the school lost its accreditation and Roberts was asked to resign as president. Enrollment quickly declined and the college floundered with $14 million in debt and closed under bankruptcy in 1973."

"Among Roberts's innovations at the college was the establishment of the trimester system which made year-round use of the facility and allowed students to reduce the time needed to obtain a degree. He lowered admission requirements and Parsons became known as a school that gave students a second chance. He increased the student-teacher ratio, streamlined the academic curriculum, and established recruiters around the country.[2] In 1961 the football team played Northeast Missouri State Teachers College in the Mineral Water Bowl, losing 22-8.[5]"
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 03, 2019, 04:02:50 PM
Quote from: hopefan on April 03, 2019, 03:35:54 PM
... showing my age, I remember Parsons well... seems to me it was a small college football factory

Hey, I love your stories.  Very interesting.  Thanks again for sharing.

By the way, I was looking through a Washington University year book last week from 1928 or maybe 1929.  The writes-up were incredible.  The basketball team played a double-header with "Mazzou" that season but the year book blamed the loss on the official.  As the story goes, Mizzou insisted on bringing their own referee who was reportedly a Mizzou student.

Imagine playing the game with just one official.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ronk on April 03, 2019, 05:45:23 PM
Quote from: hopefan on April 03, 2019, 03:35:54 PM
Woopiffff.... showing my age, I remember Parsons well... seems to me it was a small college football factory

Parsons College, Iowa

"There was a turning point, however, in 1966 when Life magazine published an article criticizing the college and its president. Later that year the school lost its accreditation and Roberts was asked to resign as president. Enrollment quickly declined and the college floundered with $14 million in debt and closed under bankruptcy in 1973."

"Among Roberts's innovations at the college was the establishment of the trimester system which made year-round use of the facility and allowed students to reduce the time needed to obtain a degree. He lowered admission requirements and Parsons became known as a school that gave students a second chance. He increased the student-teacher ratio, streamlined the academic curriculum, and established recruiters around the country.[2] In 1961 the football team played Northeast Missouri State Teachers College in the Mineral Water Bowl, losing 22-8.[5]"

Among its grads - Robert Heller, former Federal Reserve Board governor and Marcia Wallace, receptionist on the Bob Newhart Show.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Caz Bombers on April 03, 2019, 06:07:37 PM
we must be of different generations because to me, the late Marcia Wallace was Bart Simpson's teacher Edna Krabappel.

The generation below me would probably say "the Simpsons is still on TV?" The generation below them would say "people still watch TV?"
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 03, 2019, 06:21:28 PM
And to tie the last two posts to Division III, Edna Krabappel was a Bryn Mawr Owl though I do not remember any other sports references for the Krabappel character.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 03, 2019, 09:48:21 PM
I do. In the third-season episode "Bart the Lover" Edna Krabappel falls in love with a secret admirer whom she met via a letter after answering a personal ad. Her unseen admirer's love letters are actually penned by Bart, who was playing a trick on her. He picks up the romantic language for his letters from old movies on daytime TV (Colorization Theater is the name of the old-movie show), and he came up with the secret admirer's name -- Woody -- from looking up at the pictures of U.S. presidents on his classroom wall while writing a letter during detention and seeing Woodrow Wilson's portrait.

When Edna pressed "Woody" to send her a photograph of himself, Bart takes a book about the National Hockey League from the classroom library during detention, cuts out a portrait of a smiling Gordie Howe, and sends it to her in "Woody's" next letter. At the end of the episode, as the credits start to roll, the "Charge!" theme played on a hockey-arena pipe organ reverberates while the Gordie Howe portrait appears on the screen along with his career statistics.

Marcia Wallace won an Emmy for her voiceover performance in "Bart the Lover".
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 04, 2019, 03:24:49 PM
Wow!  I have seen that episode but I am not sure I connected it to a real live hockey player.  Or, dead hockey player.  I'll watch a lot of sports but not hockey.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 04, 2019, 03:34:10 PM
(https://sports-images.vice.com/images/2016/12/09/the-definitive-guide-to-the-simpsons-greatest-hockey-moments-body-image-1481308038.png)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 04, 2019, 03:35:38 PM
(https://sports-images.vice.com/images/2016/12/09/the-definitive-guide-to-the-simpsons-greatest-hockey-moments-body-image-1481308482.png?output-quality=75)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 04, 2019, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on April 04, 2019, 03:34:10 PM
(https://sports-images.vice.com/images/2016/12/09/the-definitive-guide-to-the-simpsons-greatest-hockey-moments-body-image-1481308038.png)

I'll meet you in person someday (at the Ratner Center or elsewhere) but until then, this is how I imagine you look in real life.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 04, 2019, 05:00:52 PM
The main difference between us, aside from the fact that I'm not animated, is that Gordie was better at punching people while wearing skates than I ever was.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: AndOne on April 05, 2019, 11:27:48 PM
Quote from: hopefan on April 03, 2019, 03:35:54 PM
Woopiffff.... showing my age, I remember Parsons well... seems to me it was a small college football factory

Parsons College, Iowa

"There was a turning point, however, in 1966 when Life magazine published an article criticizing the college and its president. Later that year the school lost its accreditation and Roberts was asked to resign as president. Enrollment quickly declined and the college floundered with $14 million in debt and closed under bankruptcy in 1973."

"Among Roberts's innovations at the college was the establishment of the trimester system which made year-round use of the facility and allowed students to reduce the time needed to obtain a degree. He lowered admission requirements and Parsons became known as a school that gave students a second chance. He increased the student-teacher ratio, streamlined the academic curriculum, and established recruiters around the country.[2] In 1961 the football team played Northeast Missouri State Teachers College in the Mineral Water Bowl, losing 22-8.[5]"

Millard Roberts, "The Wizard of Flunk Out U," believed students should be given a second chance so he accepted students who had dropped out or flunked out of other colleges. It was also part of his plan to grow the school. He also raided other colleges from all over the country to obtain top faculty members, and paid them top dollar. At one time the Parsons faculty were the second highest paid teachers in the country—-only Harvard paid more.

Parsons naturally was a huge party school. There were lots of frats and sororities. A couple of the more notable were One Time Greeks (OTG) which was made up of guys who had been kicked out of other houses, and WTBA (Where The Boys Are) for guys with both a motorcycle and a sports car. Lots of rich kids at Parsons.
The high level of partying went on despite Parsons' ban on alcohol on campus. Students would get together and rent off-campus party houses (hmmmmm). One of the most famous had a dance floor, full bar, and a (probable clothing optional) swimming pond. A popular band at various parties was 'JC and the Penetrators.' 😯


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Caz Bombers on April 30, 2019, 05:35:37 PM
on last night's Jeopardy!, Brandeis SID Adam Levin came closer than anyone has yet to beating the seemingly unstoppable James Holtzhauer. He finished just 18 dollars short.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 07, 2019, 01:34:39 PM
I was thinking about UAA basketball today, but let me first say: my posts get even less interesting during the off-season so click on the UAA thread at your own risk...

The Washington University basketball website does have the first five games of the 2019-2020 UAA season listed and as I expected, Washington University and Emory will be meeting at that halfway point. 

It does seem likely that the first game will be played in Atlanta with a second game the following weekend in St. Louis, but I'll have to wait until the full schedule is released.

If the UAA is going to be a two-horse race to the finish with no chance of a de facto championship game as we had last season, then this is exactly how I want the season to be scheduled.

I think I am going to Atlanta next February...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 07, 2019, 04:12:01 PM
In other news, Brandeis social media has referenced a few recruits for 2018-2019...

Based on a cursory review of everything I could find, this class looks pretty good.

Dylan Lien, G, Worcester Academy
Darret Justice, G, Highland School
Matan Zucker, F, Lawrenceville School
Mike Gao, F, Diamond Bar High School
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 07, 2019, 04:57:29 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on May 07, 2019, 01:34:39 PM
I was thinking about UAA basketball today, but let me first say: my posts get even less interesting during the off-season so click on the UAA thread at your own risk...

The Washington University basketball website does have the first five games of the 2019-2020 UAA season listed and as I expected, Washington University and Emory will be meeting at that halfway point. 

It does seem likely that the first game will be played in Atlanta with a second game the following weekend in St. Louis, but I'll have to wait until the full schedule is released.

If the UAA is going to be a two-horse race to the finish with no chance of a de facto championship game as we had last season, then this is exactly how I want the season to be scheduled.

I think I am going to Atlanta next February...

Wouldn't you rather go to Atlanta in March?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 07, 2019, 04:58:21 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on May 07, 2019, 04:12:01 PM
In other news, Brandeis social media has referenced a few recruits for 2018-2019...

Based on a cursory review of everything I could find, this class looks pretty good.

Dylan Lien, G, Worcester Academy
Darret Justice, G, Highland School
Matan Zucker, F, Lawrenceville School
Mike Gao, F, Diamond Bar High School

I'll presume you mean 2019-2020...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 07, 2019, 05:34:50 PM
Thanks for the correction and no, I am seriously thinking about Washington University at Emory in the WoodPec.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ole Ollie on May 08, 2019, 03:22:46 PM
According to the New England Recruiting Report, Brandeis has added JUCO transfer Peter Wilson from Community College of Rhode Island.  He put up ridiculous numbers last year -- more than 19 points, five rebounds and five assists per game, 29th in the country in steals and he shot 44% from three point range.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjfJ8RG63yY   
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 08, 2019, 03:40:12 PM
Thanks for that update...

Looks like quite the get for Coach Bain.

So for 2019-2020, it looks like:

Dylan Lien, G, Worcester Academy
Darret Justice, G, Highland School
Matan Zucker, F, Lawrenceville School
Mike Gao, F, Diamond Bar High School
Peter Wilson, G, Community College of Rhode Island

This in addition to the returning core of:

Eric D'Aguanno, Senior
Lawrence Sabir, Junior
Chandler Jones, Junior
Nolan Hagerty, Sophomore
Colin Sawyer, Senior
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 13, 2019, 01:01:19 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on May 07, 2019, 04:57:29 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on May 07, 2019, 01:34:39 PM
I was thinking about UAA basketball today, but let me first say: my posts get even less interesting during the off-season so click on the UAA thread at your own risk...

The Washington University basketball website does have the first five games of the 2019-2020 UAA season listed and as I expected, Washington University and Emory will be meeting at that halfway point. 

It does seem likely that the first game will be played in Atlanta with a second game the following weekend in St. Louis, but I'll have to wait until the full schedule is released.

If the UAA is going to be a two-horse race to the finish with no chance of a de facto championship game as we had last season, then this is exactly how I want the season to be scheduled.

I think I am going to Atlanta next February...

Wouldn't you rather go to Atlanta in March?

Or April?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 14, 2019, 01:09:10 PM
Thinking about recruits again, here is what I was able to find as far as Emory recruits though there may be more.

I think all of these have been mentioned on the boards before so thanks for anyone else who contributed.

Emory graduated four seniors, but only two that played substantial minutes.

Emory will have eight juniors who are likely to play next season, but this class looks very good.

Lonzie Portis, Beaulah High School
Greg Lawrence, Greens Farms Academy
Max Fried, University High School

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BobbyBasketball on May 22, 2019, 11:27:35 PM
Case Western has been working the recruiting trail as well according to my sources ( ;D Google) ...

Cole Frilling, F, Coldwater High School, Coldwater, OH
Jackson Lamb, PG, Dakota Ridge HS, Littleton, CO
Jason Lewis, SG, Walt Whitman HS, Bethesda, MD

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 23, 2019, 10:03:10 AM
Welcome! The boards can definitely use another Case Western Reserve fan.

I had seen one more guy on Twitter announcing his commitment to the Tartans.

Travis Snider, F, Torrey Pines

As a reminder, the Tartans return everyone from last season including:

Nally, Khela, Masiulionis, Hansen, Hollis, Volkening, Ionadi and Newton.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 23, 2019, 10:15:30 AM
Also, these are the guys I have seen on Twitter who have committed (or appear to have committed) to travel partner Carnegie Mellon.

Sean Oberman, Hunterdon Central
Kevin Sax, Thunderidge High School
Nick Nakasian, Olentangy Liberty High School
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 24, 2019, 11:01:51 AM
Here are a few guys who appear to have committed to our New York schools.

At least as far I could find.

NYU

Jaedon Khubani, Delbarton School
Ephraim Read, St. Stephen and St. Agnes School

Rochester

Drew Jackson, Unadilla Valley High School
Connor Ojerholm, Rivers School
Matt Niemczura, MacDuffie School

Both of these schools are in the building or rebuilding stages.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BobbyBasketball on May 24, 2019, 05:07:22 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on May 23, 2019, 10:03:10 AM
Welcome! The boards can definitely use another Case Western Reserve fan.

I had seen one more guy on Twitter announcing his commitment to the Tartans.

Travis Snider, F, Torrey Pines

As a reminder, the Tartans return everyone from last season including:

Nally, Khela, Masiulionis, Hansen, Hollis, Volkening, Ionadi and Newton.

You mean Spartans not Tartans lol. That's the school over in Pittsburgh.  ;D

Yes, Case returns everyone but they won just 2 league games (and only 2 of last 16 games) so it will be interesting to see if some of the newcomers can push for time right away. If they can, it will be a good sign for Case.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 25, 2019, 12:15:43 PM
Oh man, if I had a dollar for every time I made that mistake, I could pay for an Ohio-Pennsylvania road trip!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 26, 2019, 10:49:39 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on May 25, 2019, 12:15:43 PM
Oh man, if I had a dollar for every time I made that mistake, I could pay for an Ohio-Pennsylvania road trip!

I don't know, those tolls are pretty steep - and if you're in a bus...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 26, 2019, 12:58:11 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on May 25, 2019, 12:15:43 PM
Oh man, if I had a dollar for every time I made that mistake, I could pay for an Ohio-Pennsylvania road trip!

Spartans, Tartans, Titans ... makes a man want to drink Manhattans.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 26, 2019, 04:25:08 PM
OK, maybe I get no where near Cleveland or Pittsburg, but still...

I might start referring to the Carnegie Mellon teams as the Kilts or the Highlanders or something.  It makes just as much sense as the Tartans.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on May 26, 2019, 05:53:28 PM
uhhhh   WUPIFFFFF   the home of the Buccos, the Steelers, the Penguins, the Panthers, the Dukes, AND the Tartans.. is spelled PITTSBURGH

(Pittsburg is the home of the D2 Gorillas...

;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 26, 2019, 06:14:08 PM
If I had a dollar for every time...ah, nevermind.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 30, 2019, 02:28:26 PM
The Director's Cup is over as far as the UAA is concerned and hard charging Emory could not close the gap on Washington University.

Washington University is currently in 3rd while Emory is in 5th.

https://nacda.com/news/2019/5/30/directorscup-ncaa-division-iii-learfield-img-college-directors-cup-standings.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nyhoopstalk on June 03, 2019, 09:38:27 PM
What is going on over at NYU? For such a highly regarded school, you would think they would be competing for the best of the best recruits in Division 3. Why so much turnover on the roster?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 04, 2019, 01:52:44 PM
NYU should have only lost 1-2 guys.

Do you mind elaborating?

I have been on the d3boards.com for 10 or so years and I feel like once or twice a year, there is a post lamenting the state of NYU basketball.

I know nothing of NYU basketball but it does seems as though the formula (institutional profile, history, future facilities and such) could give NYU serious advantages over most other institutions.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nyhoopstalk on June 09, 2019, 07:06:06 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on June 04, 2019, 01:52:44 PM
NYU should have only lost 1-2 guys.

Do you mind elaborating?

I have been on the d3boards.com for 10 or so years and I feel like once or twice a year, there is a post lamenting the state of NYU basketball.

I know nothing of NYU basketball but it does seems as though the formula (institutional profile, history, future facilities and such) could give NYU serious advantages over most other institutions.

There have been defections over the years of a few of their rotational guys. They have not had a home court the last couple of years so I can justify a few transfers here and there.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 23, 2019, 09:09:00 PM
I am under the weather today so I watched the archive of the 108-98 Emory road win over Washington University from last season. 

I do think that Emory was the beneficiary of four blown calls late in the game, but such is a basketball (or being a partisan fan).  Ultimately the key to the game was the Emory effort on the boards.

The rematches will easily be the most anticipated games of the season for both teams and the games get a bit more intriguing with the incoming class for Washington University.

Nate Bloedorn, Nolensville High School
Spencer Boehm, New Trier High School
Matt Gonzalo, St. Pius High School
Liam Dillon, Strake Jesuit High School
Kevin Davet, St. Ignatius High School

Yes, the brother of an all-UAA Emory forward is headed to St. Louis and just like his brother, he is very good.  Notably, he measures in at 6-8 to go along with two other guys on this list who measure in at 6-7 and 6-8.  They are also very good.  Of course, there are two other 6-8 players are currently on the roster so...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on June 23, 2019, 09:29:27 PM
Haven't seen the others' recruiting videos yet, but the one featuring Matt Gonzalo was very impressive.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 23, 2019, 10:05:54 PM
Matt Gonzalo is for real. 

Four-year starter on a team that won 102 games and made the state championship title game in three of those four years.  350 assists as a junior though I could not find his career total.  Finished as the all time school assist leader.  Regional player of the year as a senior.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 24, 2019, 12:42:45 PM
The Washington University schedule has been posted: http://washubears.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/schedule

The Bears travel to Illinois College and then Whitewater and Platteville.  Then host Coe and the winner/loser of Whitworth or Eau Claire in the Lopata Classic.  Then Webster, Augustana, and Rhodes at home.  Then Fontbonne, Illinois Wesleyan and Millikin on the road to round out non-conference play.

The Bears played Whitewater one time in 2008-2009 (1-0) and Whitworth twice with the last match-up in 2011-2012 (1-1).  The last match-up with Millikin goes back to 1998-1999 and the Bears hold a 9-18 losing record with the Big Blue.  Bears got work to do!

Also, the away and home match-ups with Emory do indeed happen halfway through conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 29, 2019, 11:09:10 AM
Carnegie Mellon, Chicago and Rochester have posted 2019-2020 schedules.

The non-conference opponents are the usual for the most part, though Chicago appears to be hosting St. Thomas and Nebraska Wesleyan in a tournament along with DePauw.

Carnegie Mellon has yet to release the teams for their tournament.

Chicago
https://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/mbkb/2019-20/schedule

Rochester
https://uofrathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball

Carnegie Mellon
http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/mbkb/2019-20/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on June 29, 2019, 09:14:08 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on June 29, 2019, 11:09:10 AM
The non-conference opponents are the usual for the most part, though Chicago appears to be hosting St. Thomas and Nebraska Wesleyan in a tournament along with DePauw.

Chicago
https://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/mbkb/2019-20/schedule

I might need to spend Thanksgiving weekend in Chicago!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 29, 2019, 10:36:51 PM
UChicago has a great gym if you have never been. Plus, you may be able to watch Illinois Wesleyan at Lake Forest, Olivet at Wheaton College, Concordia Wisconsin at Dominican, Fontbonne at North Park, Aurora/Finlandia/Aurora at Carthage and Rose-Hulman at North Central (Monday).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 30, 2019, 08:33:43 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on June 29, 2019, 10:36:51 PM
UChicago has a great gym if you have never been. Plus, you may be able to watch Illinois Wesleyan at Lake Forest, Olivet at Wheaton College, Concordia Wisconsin at Dominican, Fontbonne at North Park, Aurora/Finlandia/Aurora at Carthage and Rose-Hulman at North Central (Monday).

Fontbonne isn't playing at North Park. It's playing North Park in Moody Bible Institute's famed Solheim Gym, the most famous gym in the NBA that isn't actually home to an NBA team. (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2002-06-07-0206070003-story.html)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 30, 2019, 09:37:37 AM
Fontbonne at Moody Bible... Even closer to UChicago. And, there is a hipster hotel next door with at least a few super cheap rooms: https://fieldhousejones.com/chicago/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on July 02, 2019, 11:42:48 AM
Wash U's recruiting class..

http://washubears.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/releases/20190702gnahhh
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 03, 2019, 08:25:00 AM
CWRU schedule

https://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2019-20/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: magicman on July 04, 2019, 01:23:27 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 30, 2019, 08:33:43 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on June 29, 2019, 10:36:51 PM
UChicago has a great gym if you have never been. Plus, you may be able to watch Illinois Wesleyan at Lake Forest, Olivet at Wheaton College, Concordia Wisconsin at Dominican, Fontbonne at North Park, Aurora/Finlandia/Aurora at Carthage and Rose-Hulman at North Central (Monday).

Fontbonne isn't playing at North Park. It's playing North Park in Moody Bible Institute's famed Solheim Gym, the most famous gym in the NBA that isn't actually home to an NBA team. (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2002-06-07-0206070003-story.html)

Greg,
Thanks for posting the link to Solheim Gym. Quite an interesting story that I'd never heard about. Plus K. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on July 09, 2019, 10:30:00 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on June 29, 2019, 09:14:08 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on June 29, 2019, 11:09:10 AM
The non-conference opponents are the usual for the most part, though Chicago appears to be hosting St. Thomas and Nebraska Wesleyan in a tournament along with DePauw.

Chicago
https://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/mbkb/2019-20/schedule

I might need to spend Thanksgiving weekend in Chicago!

FYI: The tournament at Chicago (with DePauw, Nebraska Wesleyan and St. Thomas is the weekend before Thanksgiving. Turkey Day in 2019 is at late as it can be on Nov. 28.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 29, 2019, 04:09:30 PM
Emory has posted their scheduled for next season: https://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/schedule

Emory plays a host of regional non-conference opponents.

They will end non-conference play at home with UW-Oshkosh and Guilford.  Notably, Emory will play Guildford twice in the Fall 2019.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on July 29, 2019, 08:03:36 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on July 29, 2019, 04:09:30 PM
Emory has posted their scheduled for next season: https://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/schedule

Emory plays a host of regional non-conference opponents.

They will end non-conference play at home with UW-Oshkosh and Guilford.  Notably, Emory will play Guildford twice in the Fall 2019.

Those will be challenging games for Emory --  UWO being reigning national champs and Guilford losing by 3 to UWO in the quarterfinals of the NCAA tournament in March. Guilford will probably be better this season.
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Post by: WUPHF on July 29, 2019, 11:49:31 PM
Indeed, that is why I mentioned those games.

Prediction: Emory wins both home games.
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Post by: y_jack_lok on July 30, 2019, 03:19:32 AM
Those will be good wins for whichever teams win those games. Good to see these teams scheduling each other. I expect Guilford to be the pre-season pick to win the ODAC.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on July 31, 2019, 05:18:54 PM
WUPIFFFFF... Question out of curiosity... as I age, I forget about stuff that was probably obvious to me 20 years ago.... was Johns Hopkins ever in the UAA?  Why aren't they in the UAA as compared to the CC?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 31, 2019, 06:15:21 PM
Johns Hopkins was a founding member of the UAA and hence the nickname the nerdy nine.  They departed in 2001.

I am sure someone else knows the reason and will offer an explanation.

I wish they played more UAA schools in non-conference plays, but alas...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on August 05, 2019, 02:40:15 PM
The ghost of Conference Guidebooks past says:

"Former men's basketball members: Johns Hopkins (1986-2001) did not play a full UAA schedule and was ineligible for the conference title"

https://www.d3hoops.com/guidebook/2016/UAA.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on August 15, 2019, 08:13:15 AM
Washington University basketball fans get an Occtober game this season as the Bears are traveling to Missouri State for exhibition play: https://washubears.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/releases/20190814h6qtei
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 22, 2019, 10:31:58 PM
To be clear, Hopkins might have been a founding member, but they were also a part-member. Basketball, for example, only played half the conference schedule ... not the full double-round-robin.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on August 22, 2019, 10:58:01 PM
That does not actually provide the answer as to why Johns Hopkins left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 05, 2019, 09:40:07 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on August 22, 2019, 10:58:01 PM
That does not actually provide the answer as to why Johns Hopkins left.

Didn't want to have a split conference schedule - double-round-robin in the Centennial and one round in the UAA at worst for basketball.

They left because they didn't want to take their student-athletes around the country and the expenses it involved on top of taking them out of classes. There was a larger burden due to the dual-conference schedule in their sports.

It was a different time when they withdrew - 1990s? - but despite what the UAA may hope (and I always hear the idea of JHU coming back in from birdies in the UAA), JHU doesn't have any reason to return to the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 05, 2019, 10:52:40 PM
Thanks for the answer though there is certainly more to the story.

Why did Johns Hopkins join the league as a founding member in 1986 after becoming a founding member of the Centennial League five seasons prior?

Why did they stick around so long?

Did Lacrosse play a role?

In regards to basketball, they were not, for the most part, playing the UAA teams prior to the formation of the league though they did play Washington University in the season prior so again, why join?

Hopkins has a president that had served from 1972-1990 though I cannot find who the president was in 2001 when they left, but it is not a matter of a change in leadership at either end.

As for Hopkins joining the league again, I think it is an interesting to think about a 10-team league with Johns Hopkins becoming a travel partner with Rochester and Brandeis partnering with MIT and NYU traveling with Emory. 

Coaches will surely play along if you suggest it, but it is hard to imagine those involved in basketball would support it as they are then left with a New Years weekend start to conference play and a bye weekend or some other complicated schedule.

Even if it was only Hopkins and nine teams, it does not make sense.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on September 06, 2019, 08:05:35 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on September 05, 2019, 10:52:40 PM


As for Hopkins joining the league again, I think it is an interesting to think about a 10-team league with Johns Hopkins becoming a travel partner with Rochester and Brandeis partnering with MIT and NYU traveling with Emory. 


MIT  ???????      Further WUPIFFFF conjecture, or did I miss something major???
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 06, 2019, 08:18:23 AM
MIT and Hopkins are not joining the UAA.

I am just thinking out loud...

And, thinking through why I think it is unlikely that any coaches or athletic directors in the UAA wish for Hopkins to return.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on September 06, 2019, 09:58:31 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on September 06, 2019, 08:18:23 AM
MIT and Hopkins are not joining the UAA.

I am just thinking out loud...

And, thinking through why I think it is unlikely that any coaches or athletic directors in the UAA wish for Hopkins to return.

In all honesty, at least for Basketball, they would both be a great fit.....I've never thought that MIT belonged in the NEWMAC... much more a NESCAC or UAA team....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 06, 2019, 02:10:44 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on September 05, 2019, 10:52:40 PM
Thanks for the answer though there is certainly more to the story.

Why did Johns Hopkins join the league as a founding member in 1986 after becoming a founding member of the Centennial League five seasons prior?

Why did they stick around so long?

Did Lacrosse play a role?

In regards to basketball, they were not, for the most part, playing the UAA teams prior to the formation of the league though they did play Washington University in the season prior so again, why join?

Hopkins has a president that had served from 1972-1990 though I cannot find who the president was in 2001 when they left, but it is not a matter of a change in leadership at either end.

As for Hopkins joining the league again, I think it is an interesting to think about a 10-team league with Johns Hopkins becoming a travel partner with Rochester and Brandeis partnering with MIT and NYU traveling with Emory. 

Coaches will surely play along if you suggest it, but it is hard to imagine those involved in basketball would support it as they are then left with a New Years weekend start to conference play and a bye weekend or some other complicated schedule.

Even if it was only Hopkins and nine teams, it does not make sense.

I honestly can't answer many of these simply because I wasn't around when these decisions were made and I was only worrying about playing against their soccer team and announcing games correctly in the mid-90s.

I will say this ... lacrosse didn't play a role. Lacrosse has been a D1 program from the onset for the men (women were added to D1 as part of the grandfather clause to allow them to keep MLAX in D1). Hopkins literally has to different mentalities: lacrosse and D3. I know I have found with some other D3/D1 splits, that isn't necessarily the case - but that is a completely different convo.

I think back in the 1980s and 90s, there wasn't much of a way to get your name out nationally as there is in this day in age. I suspect a big reason for joining the UAA was to put the Hopkins name in front of recruits and possible students (non-athletes even) in other markets was to take the teams to different markets. That's just an idea I have off the top of my head.

As for your other comment about not imagining people being for the idea of Hopkins joining ... I assure you from those I've talked to that isn't the case. The idea of being able to "be" in the Baltimore/DC market with teams ... allowing coaches to better recruit from those markets ... is a major draw. The UAA schools do wish they could get back into those markets a little easier (visiting multiple times a year with teams is very helpful; thus my theory on why, maybe, Hopkins joined in the first place).

And MIT has a lot of budgetary issues I don't think people appreciate. As one who has tried to get MIT programs to different events, I am fully aware of how tight budgets are. MIT teams travel in non-conference locations thanks mainly to alums who either donate to programs so they can pay for transportation and hotel stays or find a way to get those options taken care of for the programs. MIT has traveled to Baltimore via plane for NCAA tournament games, but only because alums have stepped up and helped out. If MIT were to add travel to Chicago, St. Louis, Atlanta, etc. for nearly EVERY team in EVERY sport nearly EVERY year ... that is a budgetary increase I don't think they would ever be able to accomplish. So, even if MIT was an option (which as I've said before, the UAA doesn't need since they have Brandeis in the Boston "market"), I am just not convinced MIT would even consider it unless there was a massive change in the athletic budget.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 06, 2019, 02:49:26 PM
I have an abiding interest in MIT's athletics budget, because of the peculiarity of the school's situation. MIT sponsors 30 sports, including such exotic and presumably expensive sports as men's and women's sailing, and that's definitely near the high end of D3 in terms of number of sponsored sports. An athletic department with thirty varsity teams requires a lot of money just to cover travel costs. On the other hand, when the MIT men's volleyball team came to Chicago last spring for a tourney at North Park, the head coach of the Engineers told people on the NPU staff that he doesn't even bother recruiting. And why should he? His players come to him. MIT is the crème de la crème of STEM schools, so I can see how an upside-down player-acquisition scenario could work for them in a men's sport. It's not as though not recruiting has turned out to be a bad strategy; over the past decade and a half, the Engineers have posted a 355-136 (.723) record in men's volleyball. And last year's Engineers squad finished 23-9 and was very good by the standards of most D3 programs, let alone for a bunch of guys who sought out their school rather than the other way around.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 06, 2019, 02:54:04 PM
Coincidently, I was told the same thing from a coach at Hopkins about recruiting. I am not sure that is always the best, but it also hasn't hurt.

Per MIT, I have had a few conversations with coaches there who talk about potential players actually on campus ... but with no interest in playing. And yes, all campuses have potential players on them, but I am talking to the degree of starters or significant contributors - program changing players. MIT - and many schools like them - have plenty of talented students on campus in a variety of areas who choose not to play athletics.

We love the fact student-athletes in DIII are truly students and understand after this they are going to be doing something else with their lives. I find it fascinating there also tends to be very talented athletes on some campuses who decide they just aren't interested in still taking to the court. Talk about making tough decisions.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 06, 2019, 04:35:53 PM
________________

EDIT: I read my prior post again and I made it sound as if the highly selective schools have it easy on the recruiting trail.  I do not think that is the case.  If it was easy, NYU would still be a basketball powerhouse.  I am deleting my prior post rather than fixing, but maybe I'll post on the topic again with more nuance.


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 07, 2019, 08:55:42 AM

I thought NYU's biggest hurdle was a different scholarship structure overall than most similar schools?  I forget the specifics, but they don't offer any merit aid or very little - isn't that right?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Caz Bombers on September 07, 2019, 11:19:52 AM
the student-athlete life at NYU is pretty unique and challenging amongst any in this country, let alone at D3. To have no on-campus facilities at all in any sport must put a huge strain on one's time.

They frequently don't win at the same levels as the rest of the UAA, but every now and then they pull a real shocker, like winning the NCAA championship in women's golf this past spring.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 07, 2019, 11:21:11 PM
I think most of the coaches at the elite research institutions have to contend with issues related to cost except when they find a recruit with financial need.

I may be wrong, but I would be surprised if NYU is exceptional in this regard.

For basketball, the facilities issue is a bit of a blip as they had facilities and will have facilities eventually.

I think in terms of basketball, there are issues of fit that a UChicago or Rochester does not have to contend with, but I would still say that NYU should get a lot of interest from student-athletes.

Interestingly, NYU played basketball off-campus during there hey day.  Madison Square Garden is about the same distance away as Hunter College.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 19, 2019, 11:32:45 PM
And, speaking of NYU and recruiting, head coach Dagan Nelson was interviewed on a podcast this week.

He did talk about the recruiting advantages he has at NYU and even suggested that he gets 60-70 e-mails a day from prospects and could field 6 or 7 teams.

This is a good interview and worth the listen if you have any interest.

http://refereerant.com/2019/09/episode-88-the-rant-dagan-nelson/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 26, 2019, 02:27:17 PM
Chicago has posted an updated roster: https://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/mbkb/2019-20/roster

The Maroons add three freshmen to a roster of ten upperclassman.

Chicago returns Baum who is arguably the best point guard in the UAA along with Laravie and Schmitz who are among the best all-around players in the league and then...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 29, 2019, 10:50:32 PM
Emory also has an updated roster: https://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/roster

The Eagles add four freshmen after adding only one freshman last season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 10, 2019, 01:17:11 PM
Brandeis has updated their roster for the season.

They return D'Aguanno, Sabir, Jones, Hagerty and Sawyer from a team that engineered a remarkable recovery to finish 14-11 and to win the east coast tournament-thing.

I am waiting for the rest of the rosters, but I am probably going to list Brandeis as my preseason No. 3 which is remarkable.

Roster
https://www.brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/roster
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 21, 2019, 06:23:42 PM
Rochester has finally updated their roster which includes 7 players from last season and 9 first-year players.

This team is Patrick Benka and Ryan Algier and everyone else.

https://uofrathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ronk on October 21, 2019, 06:48:01 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 21, 2019, 06:23:42 PM
Rochester has finally updated their roster which includes 7 players from last season and 9 first-year players.

This team is Patrick Benka and Ryan Algier and everyone else.

https://uofrathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster
Quote from: ronk on February 12, 2019, 12:22:49 AM
Went out tonight to evaluate a prospect; learned by the end of the game that he was choosing Rochester.
He's Miles Gally  6-9  W/SF  Richard Montgomery High School  Rockville,MD. Can make 3s and FTs.

Don't see Miles Gally on this roster; I wonder if he changed his mind.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 21, 2019, 06:53:08 PM
NYU also has an updated roster: https://gonyuathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball

Ethan Feldman is back.

NYU also has a junior college transfer and a Division I transfer from American University to go along with 5 freshmen.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 21, 2019, 07:04:40 PM
Looks like Miles Gally is at George Washington.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ronk on October 21, 2019, 08:16:17 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 21, 2019, 07:04:40 PM
Looks like Miles Gally is at George Washington.

Even though he's 6-10, that's a stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 22, 2019, 12:25:35 PM
Carnegie Mellon adds four first-year students to their otherwise nicely balanced roster: https://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/mbkb/2019-20/roster

I am not sure what to make of Carnegie Mellon.  The Tartans finished 11-14 last season thanks in part to the services of Seth Henry who has graduated.  Zach Howarth is an all-UAA player for sure, but who else?

Case Western Reserve is the only team that has yet to release their roster, but it is probably safe to make preseason picks.  So far, I have this but this does not feel right.

Emory
Washington University
Brandeis
Chicago
Carnegie Mellon
Case Western Reserve
NYU
Rochester
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BobbyBasketball on October 23, 2019, 05:07:31 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 22, 2019, 12:25:35 PM
Carnegie Mellon adds four first-year students to their otherwise nicely balanced roster: https://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/mbkb/2019-20/roster

I am not sure what to make of Carnegie Mellon.  The Tartans finished 11-14 last season thanks in part to the services of Seth Henry who has graduated.  Zach Howarth is an all-UAA player for sure, but who else?

Case Western Reserve is the only team that has yet to release their roster, but it is probably safe to make preseason picks.  So far, I have this but this does not feel right.

Emory
Washington University
Brandeis
Chicago
Carnegie Mellon
Case Western Reserve
NYU
Rochester


Case Western has had significant roster turnover perhaps as many as 5-6 underclass players from 2018-19 are not returning including most notably Connor Nally who played significant minutes last season. However, they have had an infusion of new players from recruiting so we just have to see how that plays out. I would guess that is the reason for the delay in the roster release.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 24, 2019, 09:12:46 AM
Quote from: BobbyBasketball on October 23, 2019, 05:07:31 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 22, 2019, 12:25:35 PM
Carnegie Mellon adds four first-year students to their otherwise nicely balanced roster: https://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/mbkb/2019-20/roster

I am not sure what to make of Carnegie Mellon.  The Tartans finished 11-14 last season thanks in part to the services of Seth Henry who has graduated.  Zach Howarth is an all-UAA player for sure, but who else?

Case Western Reserve is the only team that has yet to release their roster, but it is probably safe to make preseason picks.  So far, I have this but this does not feel right.

Emory
Washington University
Brandeis
Chicago
Carnegie Mellon
Case Western Reserve
NYU
Rochester


Case Western has had significant roster turnover perhaps as many as 5-6 underclass players from 2018-19 are not returning including most notably Connor Nally who played significant minutes last season. However, they have had an infusion of new players from recruiting so we just have to see how that plays out. I would guess that is the reason for the delay in the roster release.

This was also the situation with CWRU from 2017-18 to 2018-2019, having significant roster attrition. Last season's roster had 10 first-year and only 5 Jr and 3 So - no Sr. Four of the frosh saw little playing time. So not surprising if those four did not return. Interesting stat, no Spartan averaged double figure ppg.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 24, 2019, 10:22:30 AM
https://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2019-20/roster [work in progress]
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 24, 2019, 11:23:29 AM
Quote from: BobbyBasketball on October 23, 2019, 05:07:31 PM
Case Western has had significant roster turnover perhaps as many as 5-6 underclass players from 2018-19 are not returning including most notably Connor Nally who played significant minutes last season. However, they have had an infusion of new players from recruiting so we just have to see how that plays out. I would guess that is the reason for the delay in the roster release.

Thanks for that update. That is a tough loss.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BobbyBasketball on October 24, 2019, 03:28:54 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 24, 2019, 09:12:46 AM
Quote from: BobbyBasketball on October 23, 2019, 05:07:31 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 22, 2019, 12:25:35 PM
Carnegie Mellon adds four first-year students to their otherwise nicely balanced roster: https://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/mbkb/2019-20/roster

I am not sure what to make of Carnegie Mellon.  The Tartans finished 11-14 last season thanks in part to the services of Seth Henry who has graduated.  Zach Howarth is an all-UAA player for sure, but who else?

Case Western Reserve is the only team that has yet to release their roster, but it is probably safe to make preseason picks.  So far, I have this but this does not feel right.

Emory
Washington University
Brandeis
Chicago
Carnegie Mellon
Case Western Reserve
NYU
Rochester


Case Western has had significant roster turnover perhaps as many as 5-6 underclass players from 2018-19 are not returning including most notably Connor Nally who played significant minutes last season. However, they have had an infusion of new players from recruiting so we just have to see how that plays out. I would guess that is the reason for the delay in the roster release.

This was also the situation with CWRU from 2017-18 to 2018-2019, having significant roster attrition. Last season's roster had 10 first-year and only 5 Jr and 3 So - no Sr. Four of the frosh saw little playing time. So not surprising if those four did not return. Interesting stat, no Spartan averaged double figure ppg.

Ignas Masiulionis 10.4 ppg in 2018-19
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 24, 2019, 04:10:08 PM
Correct about Masiulionis. Thanks, not sure how my old eyes missed that.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 28, 2019, 06:34:40 PM
I went through the records and rosters one last time and my best guess for the pre-season rankings has not changed. 

I'll eventually get around to a position by position comparison between Emory and Washington University, but unlike two season ago, these two teams have players that are so versatile that it roles are hard to categorize.

My pre-season ranking
Emory
Washington University
Brandeis
Chicago
Carnegie Mellon
Case Western Reserve
NYU
Rochester
__________

Washington University is the only team with a pre-season exhibition on the schedule.  The Bears travel on Wednesday 10/30 to play Division I Missouri State. 

MSU finished 13-13 last season, but has added a host of players and are ranked No. 1 in the Missouri Valley pre-season poll and the No. 13 in the Mid-Major Madness poll.

https://washubears.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/releases/20191028gj834f
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 29, 2019, 09:56:34 AM
The pre-season rankings are out and Emory and Washington University are listed at No. 6 and No. 7.

The last time the Bears emerged from a rebuild season, they came in at No. 20 in the pre-season rankings.

Rochester received 5 votes...not sure that they will be the close to the Top 25.

I have Rochester moving from second in the league last season to eighth this season.  Is that possible?  I am counting on teams 3-8 being better in the aggregate and I do not know what to make of the Yellowjackets this season.  I hope they prove me wrong.

Interestingly, Brandeis received 1 vote...the Brandeis team that finished 14-11 (7-7) last season and went 1-5 against the top three teams in the league.  Brandeis did lose their leading scorer and a key starter in Sherman and Workman and their combined 21 points and 9 rebounds per game.  But, the junior class is strong and let's see about the rest.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 29, 2019, 10:29:17 AM
^^^ What's your take on Wash U's #7 ranking? Too high, too low, just right? If you were doing a top 25 where would you put the Bears?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 29, 2019, 11:13:16 AM
Thanks for asking. 

The No. 7 ranking seems too high, but as a fan, my judgement is clouded by emotion and so I am not sure.

I do think Emory will be a Top 10 team all season long and a potential Final Four team.  And as you will see from a future post, I am not sure if Emory is better than Washington University.  So maybe I agree with the ranking.

I do remember thinking that No. 20 was too low to start 2016-2017, but the class of 2018 will always be among my favorite WUSTL players. 

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BobbyBasketball on October 29, 2019, 02:07:00 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 29, 2019, 09:56:34 AM
The pre-season rankings are out and Emory and Washington University are listed at No. 6 and No. 7.

The last time the Bears emerged from a rebuild season, they came in at No. 20 in the pre-season rankings.

Rochester received 5 votes...not sure that they will be the close to the Top 25.

I have Rochester moving from second in the league last season to eighth this season.  Is that possible?  I am counting on teams 3-8 being better in the aggregate and I do not know what to make of the Yellowjackets this season.  I hope they prove me wrong.

Interestingly, Brandeis received 1 vote...the Brandeis team that finished 14-11 (7-7) last season and went 1-5 against the top three teams in the league.  Brandeis did lose their leading scorer and a key starter in Sherman and Workman and their combined 21 points and 9 rebounds per game.  But, the junior class is strong and let's see about the rest.

I think other than Wash U and Emory, the league is wide open. Could see almost any order of 3-8 although I would think Brandeis and possibly Rochester or Chicago would be closer to the top of that range. But that is why they play the games. Expect the unexpected. Lots of new faces can change dynamics quickly.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 29, 2019, 02:42:40 PM
Quote from: BobbyBasketball on October 29, 2019, 02:07:00 PM
I think other than Wash U and Emory, the league is wide open. Could see almost any order of 3-8 although I would think Brandeis and possibly Rochester or Chicago would be closer to the top of that range. But that is why they play the games. Expect the unexpected. Lots of new faces can change dynamics quickly.

I think that is exactly right.

I think new faces will be one of the big story lines of the year.

I keep thinking about Rochester.  They have a great program and a great coach, but so many young players.  I have to think this will be a one-year rebuild season, but who knows?

Chicago has three of the best players in the league.  They only need a few more players to emerge as a threat.

Keep posting!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 30, 2019, 08:28:08 PM
Missouri State leads Washington University, 25-19 with 6:26 in the first. Bears playing well but the other Bears are converting the three-pointers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 30, 2019, 08:34:12 PM
Bears playing a quasi-scrimmage line-up. I like that. Bears trail by 3 with 3 minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 30, 2019, 08:44:08 PM
Bears trail the other Bears at the half, 36-34. Hardy would be a scholarship player on this team. #maybe
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 30, 2019, 09:24:53 PM
Bears trail by 15 with 7:41 left.

Looks like Hunter is not going to play tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 30, 2019, 09:30:59 PM
Bears getting good looks but struggling to convert. 70-51.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 30, 2019, 09:44:16 PM
Bears fall to the other Bears, 76-59.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 31, 2019, 04:25:34 PM
I am thinking about the game last night.

Definitely lots of positives, especially when evaluating the first half.

I did mistakenly say that Washington University was the only team with a pre-season exhibition.  I thought Chicago had DePaul after the start of the season, but that game is scheduled for next week Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BobbyBasketball on November 07, 2019, 10:54:53 PM
Well the regular season is here! The openers ...

Brandeis plays at WPI Friday night.
Carnegie Mellon hosts Allegheny on Tuesday night
Case opens up at home with its tournament by playing Central (IA) Friday night and on Saturday against winner/loser of Centre/Greenville.
Chicago opens on Sunday at Millikin
Emory opens on Saturday afternoon at Guilford.
NYU hosts Oberlin on Saturday
Rochester opens at SUNY Geneseo on Tuesday.
Wash U opens on Sunday at Illinois College
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 08, 2019, 09:14:58 AM
Thanks for that! I have had almost no time to think about Division III basketball this week, but that changes this weekend. Looking forward to watching the games on Sunday. Unfortunately, I'll miss the Friday-Saturday games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 08, 2019, 09:16:33 AM

Brandeis - WPI should be a great one.  Both teams have some under the radar buzz this year and it'll be a good early showcase for each of them.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 10, 2019, 07:19:05 PM
Washington University over Illinois College, 85-76.

Hardy and Nolan each shot for 23 points. Nester finished with 17. The Blueboys made it a game thanks in part to hot perimeter shooting. 

In other games...

Chicago defeated Millikin 85-75 on the road thanks to a 25 point effort by Cole Schmitz. The Maroons needed a newcomer to step up and they may have found him in freshman Bryce Hopkins who had his second double figure scoring effort.  They probably will need 1-2 more to be competitive in the league.

Case Western defeated Central and Centre to win their Bill Sudeck Tournament championship.  I am going to say that these are pretty good wins for a team that may surprise people this season...

Emory defeated Guilford, 89-67 in the first of two match-ups between the two ranked teams.  This result should not be a surprise to anyone at this point.

The UAA had two losses on the weekend...

NYU lost to Oberlin in a game they should have won and Brandeis scored a mere 46 points in a 55-46 points in a game against Worchester Polytechnic.  The offensive stats for the Judges: 36% / 23% / 56%.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on November 10, 2019, 09:35:05 PM
A good result for WashU this afternoon.  Some folks who watched the game in person believe that Illinois College could win 20 games this season.  Some good size and a transfer or two have buoyed the Blueboys.

Nice to have Hank Hunter back from off-season surgery.  Missed the Missouri State exhibition, but today he had 9 points and 7 rebounds.

And, Jonathan Arenas may end up being one of the top rebounding guards in D3.  He had 7 rebounds today, after leading both teams in rebounds with 11 at Missouri State.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 10, 2019, 09:45:53 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on November 10, 2019, 07:19:05 PM
Washington University over Illinois College, 85-76.

Hardy and Nolan each shot for 23 points. Nester finished with 17. The Blueboys made it a game thanks in part to hot perimeter shooting.

I caught the last six minutes of this game. When I tuned in it was 74-59 Bears, so IC cut into that lead in the time I watched. Seemed like Wash U was playing its regular guys in that time. At least they were mostly names I recognized -- Hardy, Nester, Nolan, Arenas, Hunter. Did you watch the entire game and if so what are your main takeaways?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 11, 2019, 01:20:01 AM
I did watch the entire game before turning on the Chicago-Millikin game and turning my focus to the Maroons. I am not sure that I have anything interesting to say, but a few thoughts...

Matt Nester averaged 5 three-point shots a game last season, but went 4-8 today (5-10 overall). Nester is leading a more experienced team with multiple teammates who can handle the ball. 8-10 three-point shots per game is a reasonable target.

I think Jay Murry and I will be regularly referencing Jonathan Arenas this season. He can rebound and he can also drive and dish and defend.

Hardy looked so good against Missouri State and played great today.

Hunter was back but Rucker was on the bench in street clothes...

I do think this was a good game against a good team. Illinois College is not going to get to 20 wins, but they will certainly exceed expectations.  This Wisconsin road trip is going to give us a much better look though.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ScottieSuit on November 11, 2019, 11:10:30 PM
Basketball facilities for the Tartans will be getting an upgrade/expansion. No word if they are going to incorporate the banging of the radiator pipes from Skibo into the new building.



https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2019/november/highmark-grant-supports-student-well-being.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 12, 2019, 07:27:25 PM
Just 10 minutes and Emory is locked in a barn burner with Berry.  The Vikings lead 26-23.  Definitely a game if someone is looking for one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 12, 2019, 07:31:36 PM
Edited post due to lack of clarity.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 12, 2019, 10:11:38 PM
Emory defeats Berry, 99-85 on the road.

The Eagles played very well tonight with 6 guys finishing in double figures.  Romin Williams led the way with 27 points though Matt Schner may have had the best overall games with 21 points (5-9, 4-4), 7 rebounds and 6 assists.  The Eagles shot 53% from three-point range and dished out 18 assists.

I am beginning to think that Emory is the best team in the nation, but I'll wait until late December before I try to make that claim.

__________

In other games, Rochester defeated Geneseo while Carnegie Mellon lost a tight game to Allegheny.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 13, 2019, 04:07:56 PM
Emory might be pretty good ... and Berry may be underrated ... but I don't think the result last night means Emory is "the best team in the nation" when they had a battle with Berry. It may prove Berry is a better team than many expected, but is Berry on the same level as NCC or UWO? Probably not and thus a grind it out win over Berry is good, but I don't think that proves Emory is the best in the nation. :)

Just some insight in how I think when I'm voting as well HAHA
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 13, 2019, 05:08:06 PM
I think that is fair.  As mentioned, I'll wait until December when Oshkosh and Guilford visit Atlanta.

You must think they are the second or third best team in the nation though based on the way you voted.  And that was before the 22-point road win over Guilford so it hard to imagine that you move them in the next poll.

The Eagles had a double digit lead for extended periods in the second and finished with a 14 point margin of victory, so it was a battle, but the Eagles played 40 minutes of good basketball and eventually, I would say, wore Berry down
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 13, 2019, 06:39:52 PM
Hard to know what to make of Emory's win over Guilford last weekend. Guilford was picked to win the ODAC and ranked 19th in the preseason top 25. But, as the very knowledgeable Guilford poster on the ODAC board says, Guilford often starts out slow. That was certainly true last season, yet they only lost by three to UW-Oshkosh in the Elite Eight last March. A win for Guilford in that game and there is a different defending national champ this season. All this is to say that teams at the end of a season are often not the same as at the beginning. So, come December, you might think Emory is the best team in the nation. But come March you might think differently. Anyway, this is fun stuff to ponder and discuss. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 13, 2019, 08:19:25 PM
I have already referred to Emory as a Final Four team and I doubt that is going to change.  But as far as the notion that they are the best team in the nation, well, I am counting on that changing over the course of two weekends in early February, if you know what I mean...

Points well taken on Guilford though...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 13, 2019, 10:08:25 PM
It was a rough night for the UAA.

Case Western Reserve falls to Otterbein, 73-67.

The Cardinals were picked last in the OAC preseason rankings.

NYU loses a heartbreaker to Hobart, 80-76.

Lake Forest shoot the lights out of the Ratner Center and defeats Chicago, 102-89.

Brandeis did destroy whomever it was they played though, so one win.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 15, 2019, 11:31:32 PM
Washington University over UW-Whitewater, 90-86.

The Bears come roaring back from a 15 point first-half deficit to eventually take a 13 point lead thanks in part to a 13-0 run.  The Bears eventually decided to slow the game down but the Warhawks had other ideas and came roaring back to get within two.

Hardy had 25 points and 9 rebounds while Nolan finished with 24 points and three steals.  Freshmen Spencer Boehm had a quality game scoring 10 points in 17 minutes.  The team shot 47% from the perimeter.  70% from the line and made them when they mattered most.

Coach Miller did not stop complaining about the officiating but he is delusional if he thinks his team got the worst of the calls.  His technical cost the team two points, but Washington University had a three-pointer waved off due to a failure to reset the shot clock by the officials so...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 16, 2019, 10:36:48 PM
UW-Platteville defeats Washington University for the second straight year.

The Pioneers built an early 9-11 point lead and held that lead for the game.  The Bears struggled to contain Quentin Shields last season and struggled again tonight.  Shields led the way with 29 points.  The Bears had 4-5 or more players assigned to him and no one had an answer.  Not the best night on either end.

Washington University goes 1-1 against the WIAC with Eau Claire coming to town next weekend.
__________

In other games tonight, Rochester defeated Heidelberg to move to 3-0 on the season and NYU defeated Mitchell to move to 1-2.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 18, 2019, 09:11:32 PM
Just a quick UAA update...

NYU lost to the University of New England last night. 

They are surely happy to get Feldman back, but have been without Dom Cristiano.  They do have an intriguing freshman guard in Miles Somerville, but will probably need Cristiano to avoid finishing at the bottom of the conference yet again.

Brandeis defeated Emerson 76-74 after a final 20 seconds or so that included a controversial Emerson charging foul and an Emerson kicked ball.  Those calls were probably right, but they were close.  Brandeis shot 12-25 from the perimeter.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 19, 2019, 10:23:58 PM
As mentioned in the CCIW thread, Chicago (1-2) lost to Illinois Wesleyan, 78-74.

I mention this primarily to point out that we have an early leader in the UAA first-year player of the year race.  Bryce Hopkins is averaging 14 points and 4 rebounds per game for the Maroons.  Hopkins had 14 tonight in just 18 minutes.

Chicago hosts DePauw on Friday for a chance to play Nebraska Wesleyan or St. Thomas.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 20, 2019, 09:09:59 PM
The UAA goes 2-2 tonight...

Emory had all five starters in double figures in an easy win over Sewanee.  I think Emory has a case for the No. 2 ranking next week, but so do a few other teams, so...

Carnegie Mellon defeated Bethany, 86-80.

Case Western Reserve was in the game against John Carroll before falling, 82-75. 

Brandeis moves to 2-2 after falling to Suffolk, 72-57.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ScottieSuit on November 21, 2019, 01:21:52 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on November 20, 2019, 09:09:59 PM
The UAA goes 2-2 tonight...

Emory had all five starters in double figures in an easy win over Sewanee.  I think Emory has a case for the No. 2 ranking next week, but so do a few other teams, so...

Carnegie Mellon defeated Bethany, 86-80.

Case Western Reserve was in the game against John Carroll before falling, 82-75. 

Brandeis moves to 2-2 after falling to Suffolk, 72-57.


A fun statistical anomaly for Joey Krempa. Credited with 6 personal fouls after getting 2 technicals after picking up 4th personal foul. Personal opinion as I watched the game was the referee overreacted but I'm sure I'd think differently if I had the audio of the "conversation".


https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2019-20/boxscores/20191120_5aew.xml?view=boxscore
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 21, 2019, 11:15:45 AM
That is quite the anomaly; thanks for sharing!

Incidentally, Joey Krempa leads the league in three point field goal percentage at 71%.

I know he is not taking a lot and it will moderate over time, but I noticed that last night.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 21, 2019, 02:17:13 PM
I am looking forward to the 36th annual Lopata Classic this weekend.

Washington University hosts Coe College, along with UW-Eau Claire and Whitworth, for the first two home games of the season.

The Bears have a 5-0 all time record with the Kohawks with the last trip to the Field House, I think, coming in 2007-2008 when Pat Juckem was the coach at Coe and Kevin Dux was the starting point guard.  The Bears won that game 68-63 thanks in part to a 35 point effort by Troy Ruths.

By the records against Whitworth 1-1 and Eau Claire 2-1.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 22, 2019, 12:30:22 AM
Rochester defeats St. John Fisher, 78-75.

Kailan Lee was quiet last season, but I not surprised to see him emerge as a player.  Lee is averaging 15 points and 8 rebounds per game and scored 25 points on 9-9, 4-4 shooting.

I did not realize that the Cardinals were ranked; they did not make the tournament last season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 22, 2019, 11:48:16 PM
Washington University over Coe College, 93-79.

This was a quality win with five guys in double figures.  Hardy led the way with 26 points, 7 rebounds and 5 assists.  Rucker and Hunter are officially back, each scoring 16 points to go along with 6 and 7 rebounds.

Coe fought themselves back in to the game after an early deficit and managed to take the lead on a few possessions early in the second half, but the Bears turned it up and held the Kohawks at arms length for the rest of the game.

The Bears still have work to do on the defensive end, but no worries...

The Blugolds defeated the Bears in the 2016-2017 season in the championship of the Lopata Classic.  The Bears took a 26-20 lead in to the locker room after a dreadful first half.  The Blugolds managed to get going in the second half went on to win 64-50.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 23, 2019, 09:03:50 PM
The last time Washington University played Eau Claire in the Lopata Classic, the Bears scored 26 points in the first half and played even worse in the second.

Tonight at the half, the score is tied 26-26.

Both teams are playing better tonight but the shots are not falling.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 23, 2019, 09:25:10 PM
Jonathan Arenas has 16 rebounds and we still have 9 minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 23, 2019, 09:46:46 PM
I told myself to wait until the end of the season but be warned, the Hardy-Troy Ruths comparisons are coming.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 23, 2019, 11:07:37 PM
Washington University defeats UW-Eau Claire, 56-55 to win the Lopata Classic.

In my opinion, this game, along with the wins over Pomona-Pitzer and Chicago, is tied for the most exciting game in the Pat Juckem-era.

Despite the offensive struggles by both teams (no need to mention the percentages), both teams played incredibly good basketball.  Good defense for sure.

Jonathan Arenas finished with 17 rebounds and 5 assists while helping to guard Cole Rabedeaux who went 5-16, 2-9 from the floor.  Areanas does not score a lot, but he does so much else so well.  And the rebounding...  Probably his best game.

Hardy looks like an all-American.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ScottieSuit on November 24, 2019, 04:33:52 AM
CMU picks up a good win on the road. Four Tartans in double figures as they win 83-70.

Freshman,  Nick Nakasian, with 17 points on a perfect shooting night from the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 25, 2019, 03:00:01 PM
Definitely a good win for Carnegie Mellon.

I did not get around to the other results but they are as follows:

Chicago lost to both DePauw and Nebraska Wesleyan though the latter was a close 81-79 result.

Brandeis defeated Rhode Island College, 81-75.

NYU defeated Wells and Western New England to win their tournament.

Case Western Reserve dropped a 77-62 result to Kalamazoo College.

Rochester ran away from Nazareth, 77-56 to win their tournament.  Ryan Algier 33 points and 13 rebounds.  My decision to rank them last in the preseason is proving to be one of my worst predictions ever.  I had no idea what to do with a team that lost so much to graduation.  Even with the 5-0 start, I am not ready to move them much.  6-7th maybe.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 26, 2019, 10:50:09 PM
Lots of UAA games tonight...

Washington University defeats Webster, 80-58.  The Bears shot 14-31 from three-point range thanks in part to Payden Webb who scored 15 (6-10, 3-6) which is surely a career high.

Rochester loses to Hobart, 57-53 for their first loss of the season.  The Yellowjackets move to 5-1.

Case Western Reserve defeats Denison in one of the lowest scoring games of the night, 51-45.

Brandeis defeats UMass Dartmouth, 78-65.

Emory grinds out the win over Covenant, 67-62.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 26, 2019, 11:21:10 PM
Wheaton won at Chicago, 86-80.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 26, 2019, 11:57:31 PM
Oh, and yes, Chicago lost to Wheaton tonight.

I watched the ending of that game.

The Thunder played well down the stretch.

Maybe there is a method to the madness of the voters who had Wheaton on their ballots.

The Maroons have played the toughest schedule in the league, but after that initial win over Millikin, have lost 5 straight games.  The rest of the non-conference schedule is much more manageable.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on November 27, 2019, 10:35:02 AM
WashU may have still been basking in the afterglow of winning the Lopata Classic.  Fell behind 8-0, 10-2, and 15-7...while at the apex of its performance, Webster shot 10 for 16 (.625).  From there, the Bears limited the Gorloks to 11 of 40 shooting to bring the final percentage down to .375 (21-56).  Jack Nolan deserves a lot of credit for taking turns holding Webster's Josh Johnson to 10 points (2 in the 2nd half)...ten points below his average.

WashU's 14 treys were three away from tying the program's single-game record.  It's now averaging 9.2 3s/game.  The trend is encouraging, especially if it can be maintained and enhanced in conference play.  Nolan had all six of his in the 2nd half, and Matt Nester had 4 to go along with a season-high 6 assists.  Payden Webb added a much-needed 3 as his fellow Bears were slow to get out of the gate.

Justin Hardy is starting to put together a nice collection of double-doubles.  His 11 points/11 rebounds combo was his second D-D of the season.  And, Hank Hunter is averaging 9.7 ppg in 22 mins/game for a 17.6 pts/40min average.

Things are looking good so far this season...but the Bears need to brace themselves for the landing of the #17 Augustana Vikings this Sunday for a high noon battle Sunday at the WashU Fieldhouse.  It will be a part of a busy weekend, as the women of WashU host the Midwest Challenge at 2:00/4:00 Saturday and Sunday!

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 01, 2019, 05:42:05 PM
Washington University defeats Augustana, 73-70.

The Bears prevailed in a game that was hard fought from beginning to end.  Nolan struggled from the perimeter but found lots of other ways, finishing with a game high 28 points. 

Hunter had a game registering 14 points (5-7, 4-5 FT) and 7 rebounds in just 20 minutes of play interrupted by fouls.  Hunter, along with Micah Martin, struggled with fouls for most of the game.

Rucker and Arenas has 8 and 7 rebounds respectively including several late in the game.  Rebounds and second chance opportunities were key to this win.  Arenas also had 4 assists and is second on the team overall with 20 assists for the season.

By the way, I prefer the offensively more judicious Payden Webb.  He had a quiet game offensively with only 3 points, but played good basketball otherwise.

In other UAA games this weekend...

Carnegie Mellon with a quality 71-70 win over Salisbury
UChicago beats Washington College, 85-51
Rochester destroys Keuka, 80-46
Emory defeats Pfeiffer by a record setting margin, 124-112
Rochester over Utica, 69-58
NYU defeats Rosemont College, 88-73
Emory gets a challenge from Maryville, but up 18, I am going to call it a win.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 02, 2019, 05:53:42 PM
The strength of schedule talk got me to thinking about the games we have left before conference play begins...

Massey is easy so I'll go with that.

Chicago has played a tough schedule at No. 5 but has a 2-7 record to show for it.  The Maroons may be able to go 4-0 over the next month to begin conference play just under .500.

Washington University is in second at No. 24.

Everyone else has an SOS at 101 or above.

The SOS with games to be played before conference play begins:

No. 5  Chicago has four games left including Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
No. 24  Washington University has four games left including Illinois Wesleyan
No. 101  Case Western Reserve has five games left including UMass-Dartmouth and Albion
No. 120  Emory has four games left including UW-Oshkosh and Guilford
No. 136  Brandeis has five games left including Tufts
No. 190  Carnegie Mellon has six games left
No. 227  Rochester has three games left including Swarthmore
No. 320  NYU has four games left
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 03, 2019, 09:22:24 PM
Brandeis defeats 0-6 Lasell in overtime, 84-81.

The Judges trailed for most of the game, but Colin Sawyer with the late game heroics forced the overtime and edged the winless Lasers.

Lasell has one of the smallest gyms but the crowd was very loud.

I've seen this with Emerson live streams and a few other Boston area teams.  How does a team like this with a record like this in a city like this draw such a crowd?  People were snowed in?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 04, 2019, 06:42:48 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 03, 2019, 09:22:24 PM
Brandeis defeats 0-6 Lasell in overtime, 84-81.

The Judges trailed for most of the game, but Colin Sawyer with the late game heroics forced the overtime and edged the winless Lasers.

Lasell has one of the smallest gyms but the crowd was very loud.

I've seen this with Emerson live streams and a few other Boston area teams.  How does a team like this with a record like this in a city like this draw such a crowd?  People were snowed in?

It was a weeknight, so you probably had students around - plus Brandeis is the rich school, almost literally across the pond.  I'm sure there's a bit of a rivalry, plus I'm sure it was easy for visiting students to get there, too.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 04, 2019, 11:58:15 PM
I am sure that is right about the Lasell and Emerson crowds. 

Brandeis is certainly drawing crowds as they had last season.

Otherwise, a host of UAA games tonight with the league finishing 5-0 for the evening. 

Emory, Case Western Reserve, New York University, Carnegie Mellon and Washington University posted victories.  Not a lot to say.  These wins were expected.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2019, 04:42:49 PM
If you are bored and looking for #d3hoops content, here is a profile of Washington University guard Jack Nolan in the student newspaper.

https://www.studlife.com/sports/2019/12/04/athlete-of-the-week-jack-nolan-dishes-about-stepping-into-bigger-shoes/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 09, 2019, 09:23:02 AM
UAA games over the weekend...

Case Western Reserve defeats Adrian, 78-63
Brandeis falls to Tufts 68-61 but rebounds against Salem State, 97-65
Carnegie Mellon over Behrend
Emory defeats Piedmont, 96-71 to score 90+ for the sixth game.
Chicago over Kalamazoo, 100-84

Massey does not always have the number of Division III games correct, but currently shows an overall conference record of 47-19 and with all the disclaimers, lists the league at No. 3 behind the WIAC and CCIW.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 09, 2019, 06:18:21 PM
Just a quick UAA footnote: Emory picked up two more No. 1 votes in the latest Top 25 poll after picking up two No. 1 votes last week.

Swarthmore has Johns Hopkins on Tuesday (tomorrow).

Depending on the result, Emory has RV Oshkosh and No. 20 Guilford in a few weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 09, 2019, 07:15:42 PM
^^^ Just to be specific, the #20 you refer to is current #20 Guilford.

Results of the games you mention will either futher cement the top two spots or alter things considerably. Swathmore has no games, after Hopkins on Tuesday, until next year.  Since Emory's games are the week after Christmas we won't see how these games are reflected in the polling until the first poll of 2020.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 09, 2019, 11:38:17 PM
Yes, No. 20 Guilford is the team.

Guilford should be ranked No. 20 or better when they play Emory as they only have LaGrange ahead.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 10, 2019, 11:36:28 PM
Washington University defeats Fontbonne, 86-44.

Kevin Davet led all players with 16 points on 7-8 shooting to go along with 4 rebounds in 10 minutes on the court.  Davet had played just 8 minutes between two games prior to this evening.  Not much else to say.

In the other UAA game of the evening...

Rochester rallied in the second half to defeat Ithaca, 68-63.

The Yellowjackets get a long break before playing Swarthmore on January 2nd.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 18, 2019, 02:04:23 PM
In UAA games this week, NYU defeated Hunter College and Chicago defeated CalTech behind yet another big game from Cole Schmitz.

Washington University has a key game against Illinois Wesleyan and rather than recap why this 40 game non-conference rivalry is go good, I thought I would propose that another rivalry be rekindled if only for one game.

In the good old days, Washington University regularly played games against the Missouri Valley and Big 8 conference teams as well as other regional programs, including a few that are currently in Division I.  Looking at a few of the records:

31-34 Drake
15-26 Creighton
25-15 Grinnell
15-45 Kansas
07-27 Kansas State
31-72 Missouri
15-24 Oklahoma State
37-29 Saint Louis
15-13 Valparaiso

There are the more contemporary rivals including Fontbonne (19-1), Webster (23-3) and Illinois Wesleyan and programs that are not exactly rivals, but have the makings of a rivalry including Augustana, Wheaton, Westminster and so on.

But one program that I would like to see on the schedule an exhibition is Missouri University of Science and Technology.  The Missouri School of Mines and the University of Missouri-Rolla used to compete with Washington University football and basketball all the time.  The basketball program has a 48-5 record against the Miners.

OK, back to the schedule at hand...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on December 18, 2019, 11:54:25 PM
Heard in a gym in Orlando Florida....Next season Hope in the Lopata at Wash U.... a possible Hope Wash U match up in a final?   I might have to drive 1100 miles to see that one!!!!    Hope will have just about everyone back next year... they will be good...

I preached to Coach Edwards for 25 years for this matchup... though they had a great rivalry in the NCAA tourney, Hope never was invited to Lopata.. now 2 years out of St. Louis far away in Florida, it happens... Darn....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 19, 2019, 12:14:33 AM
Hope, University of the Ozarks, and UW-Whitewater.

First weekend of December.

Washington University has just a 2-1 record against Hope, but that loss still stings.
__________

In UAA games, Case Western Reserve got the win over Alvernia.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 19, 2019, 11:10:08 PM
The UAA went 3-0 in games tonight...

Case Western Reserve got the win over UMass Dartmouth, 90-83. 

Cole Frilling finished with 27 points and 10 rebounds.  Cole Frilling!

Carnegie Mellon defeated Washington and Jefferson, 87-70.
__________

Washington University got the win over rival Illinois Wesleyan, 97-88 in an instant classic.

Jack Nolan was sensational down the stretch, but this was a good team win with Rucker taking full advantage of his additional minutes, finishing with 17 points and 7 rebounds.  Rucker was 9-11 from the line.  Webb played very good minutes off the bench and stepped up when other guys had to go to the bench. 

The Bears need to watch the tape and see what they did right in terms of rebounds and wrong in terms of turnovers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 21, 2019, 09:35:45 AM
Chicago has a good game going against Claremont Mudd Scripps, leading for almost the entire game but could not capitalize on opportunities in the final minute. Staggs win 67-66.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 27, 2019, 10:02:15 AM
A few thoughts on the UAA as the teams play their last 1-2 non-conference games.

The league has exceeded my expectations thanks in part to strong play so far by Carnegie Mellon and Rochester and an over 70% win percentage.

Rochester has an 8-1 behind the play of Kailan Lee and Ryan Algier but the Yellowjackets have played a mediocre schedule and lost to the best team they played.  Swarthmore is next...

Chicago has played the toughest schedule so far but could finish conference play and the season with a losing record.

Brandeis, Carnegie Mellon, Case Western Reserve are all going to be ready for an upset.

Rochester may be biggest threat for an upset against Emory or Washington University, but the Eagles and Bears could go undefeated against the other 6 teams.

Here are the latest Massey Ratings (with SOS)...

No. 6 Emory (80)
No. 11 Washington University (23)
No. 34 Rochester (186)
No. 77 Brandeis (107)
No. 104 Chicago (7)
No. 106 Carnegie Mellon (243)
No. 117 Case Western Reserve (198)
No. 209 NYU (342)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 28, 2019, 09:59:59 AM
A quick look at some of the UAA newcomers...

NYU
Nick Maracuk, So Transfer, 34 minutes, 10 points, 5 rebounds

Miles Somerville, FY, 27 minutes, 10 points, 3 rebounds

Rochester
Ross Gang, So, 20 minutes, 10 points and 5 rebounds

Chicago
Bryce Hopkins, FY, Forward, 19 minutes, 10 points, 4 rebounds

Case Western Reserve
Cole Frilling, FY, Forward, 23 minutes, 11 points, 6 rebounds

Carnegie Mellon
Nick Nakasian, FY, Guard, 19 minutes, 9 points per game

And a host of other honorable mentions.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 29, 2019, 03:44:58 PM
I watched the first half of West Conn v NYU on my Fire tablet.

Ethan Feldman did not start nor play first half for NYU.

Dom Cristiano came off the bench for the first time this season.  2-3 from 2 or range for 4 pts and 1 rebound in 8 minutes of play.

Jaden Narwal got the start in place of Ethan Feldman.

NYU trails by 7 at halftime.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 29, 2019, 04:41:45 PM
Final from Hunter Sportsplex in New York as West Conn defeated NYU today, 80-63.

The NYU men take a trip to the Boston area on January 8 for a game against the Pine Manor Gators at Brunelli Court in Chestnut Hill, MA at 6 PM Eastern. It will be the first meeting ever between these two teams.  NYU was scheduled last year to face Wheelock in the final year of Wheelock's existence as a school.before Wheelock became part of Boston University.  That game was canceled due to weather.

In the bigger game today in Atlanta--

Emory defeated UW-Oshkosh, 87-80, to go to 10-0 on the season.  Emory has a rematch with Guilford tomorrow.  Emory defeated Guilford earlier this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2019, 11:09:02 PM
A few thoughts on the Emory win over UW-Oshkosh.

The five starters for Emory each finished in double figures today and incidentally, four of those starters continue to average in double figures on the season.

Romin Williams scored 24 points today and leads the league with an average of 20.7 points per game; his closest competitors are averaging 19.4 and 18.0.

Emory is currently leading the league in rebounds and was credited for 53 boards today (+16).  Lawrence Rowley finished with 16 rebounds to go along with 11 points for the double-double.

Freshman Greg Lawrence is slowly working his way in to the rotation, averaging 14 minutes per game over the last 3 games and scoring 7 points tonight.

The Eagles coughed up the ball 17 times today including 14 Oshkosh steals.  Emory had been averaging 14 turnovers per game before tonight.  They looked uncharacteristically sloppy today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 30, 2019, 11:01:01 AM
On a side note--

Congrats to Wash U on capturing the D3 10 Pounds of Gold on December 19 with the victory at Illinois Wesleyan.

Bears first title defense is tomorrow at Millikin.

If Wash U can hold on to that prized possession heading to the games with Emory, maybe we can cue the song "Into the Fire" by Dokken. (Current theme of the National Wrestling Alliance).😃
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hasanova on December 30, 2019, 07:13:14 PM
Final in ATL:  #21 Guilford 70, #2 Emory 69

Exciting finish to say the least.  GC trailed 48-57 with about 6 minutes to go, but kept plugging.  GC took a 67-66 lead on an inside basket with 14 seconds remaining before EU's Romin Williams hit a long three with three seconds left to go up 69-67.  This appeared to ice it as the Quakers had no time out, but guard Jaylen Gore hit a running three-pointer at the buzzer for the win.  Now 10-2, Guilford avenged a bad season-opening loss to the previously undefeated Eagles in Greensboro back in November.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 31, 2019, 12:28:43 AM
I am enjoying the holidays in WIAC country so unfortunately I did not get to watch the game today. 

Emory had moved to second in the Massey Ratings after the Oshkosh game and results around the Division moved the UAA ahead of the CCIW for second place in the conference ratings.  Massey had given Emory a 75% chance of a win.

I did watch the replay of the final possessions and unfortunately for Emory, the defender lost his man on that final shot and a heck of a shot it was.

Emory shot 44% from three-point range, 89% from the line and outrebounded Guilford 38-37 during their first meeting, but shot 37% from three-point range, 64% from the line and got outrebounded 30-38 today.

Emory finishes non-conference play with a 10-1 record and looks to bounce back.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 31, 2019, 02:12:18 AM
I didn't think the defender lost his man. He wasn't right on him when the ball was inbounded but definitely tracked him downcourt. Seemed more like he was being very careful not to foul. Just my impression. The video of the final 24 seconds is in this Tweet: https://mobile.twitter.com/GuilfordMBB/status/1211798917433741312
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 31, 2019, 07:42:48 AM
I thought about how to say poor defensive effort and went with lost his man. He may have purposely backed off but that was a mistake.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 31, 2019, 10:15:08 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 31, 2019, 07:42:48 AM
I thought about how to say poor defensive effort and went with lost his man. He may have purposely backed off but that was a mistake.

Agreed. A little more of a defensive effort could have slowed down his man for the fraction of a second needed to keep the shot from getting off in time, or made it a tougher shot from a little farther out. The guy was pretty close to the three point line when he took the shot.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 31, 2019, 04:58:21 PM
Washington University loses a tough one to Millikin, 63-61.

The Bears had to play without the services of two starters today and the offense struggled accordingly.

The officials ignored an obvious foul (I think that one gets called 98% of the time) that would have had Jack Nolan at the line for three shots and then the clock operator let the clock run negating any opportunity for the follow-up; probably a tie-up with the possession favoring the Bears and 2-3 seconds on the clock.  The officials were ready to call it a day.

Washington University fans may remember the last time a Coach Scherer led team got the upset win over the holiday break; an 82-75 loss to Elmhurst in the 2008-2009 season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: PauldingLightUP on December 31, 2019, 05:22:48 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 31, 2019, 04:58:21 PM
Washington University loses a tough one to Millikin, 63-61.

The Bears had to play without the services of two starters today and the offense struggled accordingly.

The officials ignored an obvious foul (I think that one gets called 98% of the time) that would have had Jack Nolan at the line for three shots and then the clock operator let the clock run negating any opportunity for the follow-up; probably a tie-up with the possession favoring the Bears and 2-3 seconds on the clock.  The officials were ready to call it a day.

Washington University fans may remember the last time a Coach Scherer led team got the upset win over the holiday break; an 82-75 loss to Elmhurst in the 2008-2009 season.

Why should have the clock operator stopped the clock? From video I see there is no whistle or motion by the officials for any call.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 31, 2019, 07:29:21 PM
Just like that, the D3 Ten Pounds of Gold gets reclaimed by the CCIW.

A real shame- I wanted Brandeis to get a shot at it this year, but what an unfortunate time for Wash U to have to play short-handed.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 31, 2019, 07:59:13 PM
Yes, true, the clock operator had it right.  The officials had it wrong.  Not sure why I said that other than out of frustration.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 02, 2020, 10:12:28 AM
In the midst of all of the New Year's Eve/Day hubbub, I have not had a chance to offer an opinion on the WashU @ Millikin game.  I watched all but the first two or three minutes of the game, so I was there wincing in a bit of pain as the game progressed toward the end.

Some thoughts...

First and foremost, kudos to Millikin.  I thought it's defense was outstanding throughout the game, and it forced WashU into many uncomfortable offensive sets.  And, as others have mentioned, Big Blue had a chance to subliminally buckle a couple of times in the game when it was down by double digits, in a game during the holiday season that might have been tough to gear up the proper state of mind.  Truly deserving of the huge upset victory, and you can bet the Millikin players will be talking and reminiscing about the victory over WashU for decades to come.  I certainly would, if I was a Big Blue.

Second, it is true that WashU was missing two starters.  Hank Hunter's strength and efficiency inside the paint and Matt Nester's ability to both shoot 3s and handle the other point guard duties provide WashU with great offensive balance.  When they are out of action at the same time, the offense clearly was knocked off its axis.  But, the void left by two injured starters was known by the team going into the Millikin game.  And, since the trio of Spencer Boehm, Nate Bloedorn, and Kevin Davet has been providing good minutes in Hunter's absence...and Payden Webb, Charlie Jacob and Jonathan Arenas likewise at the guard position when Jack Nolan and Nester needed breaks...in my mind, WashU still had the goods to deliver a win at Millikin.  Yes, it would be much tougher without two starters...but going up double-digits at two pivotal points in the game tells me that WashU still should have been able to cobble together a win on the road.  Bottom line:  the Bears didn't get it done.  And, a steep price may still have to be paid for it.  More on that in a moment.

Third, regarding the final last-second 3-point attempt by Nolan, I thought there was enough contact to merit a foul on Millikin.  But, I believe officials may be (as a point of emphasis this season) trying to wean teams off of leaning gratuitously into defenders to draw fouls, for good reason.  While I don't think Nolan's shot was a gratuitous lean into his defender, the official who made the call had a better look than I did.  And, the upset bed was made by WashU well before that last shot attempt.  So, there's that to chew on.

Final point...if you base the severity of the upset on the disparity of where the two teams rest on the Massey Ratings spectrum, it was a huge upset loss for WashU.  The last time the Bears lost to a team as deep down the list as Millikin was in those ratings, it was 2011 against Carnegie Mellon.  It is a loss that quite frankly could keep WashU out of the NCAA tournament, if it finds itself on a Pool C bubble...even when placed next to the impressive WashU wins vs. Augustana and at Illinois Wesleyan.  It will depend on the resumes of other Pool C hopefuls, when the selection committee starts the game of musical chairs.

It was a rough weekend for WashU Basketball...the women's team didn't play well, in suffering two losses vs. ranked teams in the Wartburg Holiday Classic.  The good news is that there is time to make adjustments and contingency plans, and implement them before the UAA opener at home vs. Chicago January 11th.  One thing we know for sure is that there will be no sympathy cards sent to WashU by its UAA cohorts.  The Bears will know that they will be walking a razor's edge between wins and losses, every step of the way to close out the regular season.  Hopefully they will be up for that challenge.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 02, 2020, 12:17:14 PM
Hey Jay, do you have a status update on the players that you feel at liberty to share?  Hunter has been warming up so I assume he is back soon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 02, 2020, 12:43:47 PM
Just a note for today--

The Brandeis game at Bowdoin will not be video streamed by Northeast Sports Network.  There will only be live stats provided.

As for next Wednesday's NYU men's game at Pine Manor, I may have to go watch this one in person.  Pine Manor is coming off an OT win at Salve Regina, but NYU is a road favorite to win over a Pine Manor team that is not great on the defensive end.  The game at Brunelli Court has no plans at this time for even live stats to be provided. Pine Manor is a very small college that has a bandbox gym with fewer than 200 seats.  The last time I went to watch a game there, the college had not gone coed, and Emmanuel was playing there in a GNAC women's basketball game.

Update-- Live stats for the game at Morrell Gym are up.  Brandeis has their usual starting five out of Sabir, Jones, Lien, Sawyer and Haggerty.

Brandeis gave up 4 points to start the game, but then responded after a 30 sec timeout with a 14-0 run, forcing Bowdoin to call a full timeout. After another FT, Bowdoin finally ended the Brandeis run at 15 unanswered points before a made 3 pts by Bowdoin.

After 10 minutes, Brandeis led 17-10 and then Eric D'Aguanno made a 3 to extend the Brandeis lead to 20-10.

Brandeis leads, 42-29 at the half.  Good first half for the Judges up in Maine.

With 10 min left, Brandeis was up 52-39, but for 6 minutes, Brandeis has only scored from the charity stripe.

Brandeis calls a full with 8:40 left and the Judges up 52-42.  Brandeis has not had a made FG in over 7 minutes now.

Brandeis calls another full with 6:23 left.  Bowdoin has cut the Brandeis lead to 2 at 52-50.  Bowdoin threatening to take the lead.  Tale of 2 halves as Brandeis can't buy a basket.

Brandeis finally responds with 3 made baskets.

Brandeis up 63-56 with 1:50 left, but Sabir has just been T'd up by the refs.

Bowdoin takes advantage to cut the Brandeis lead to 63-60 with 1:17 left.

Jones makes a FT with 22 seconds left and then Sabir steals the ball, gets fouled and sinks a FT to make it 65-62 Brandeis with 1 second left.

Final-- Brandeis 65, Bowdoin 62.  Brandeis hosts Bates on Tuesday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2020, 06:28:33 PM

I'm at the Swarthmore - Rochester game.  Wow! Really impressed with the Rochester team.  They are young, for sure, but they're big and confident - going to be very tough next season, for sure.  I wouldn't want to be headed into Rochester on the second day of a UAA weekend this spring.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 02, 2020, 06:39:17 PM
I am watching the Swarthmore-Rochester game on Youtube on Roku TV and listening to the JC DeLass radio call on my Fire table.  Ryan, I concur with your statement about Rochester.  Any guesses on how many UAA wins the Jackets get this season?  I will go with a 7 to 9 UAA conference game wins range this year for the UR men if all breaks well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 02, 2020, 06:43:27 PM
Rochester is relatively young, but starting a senior, three juniors and a sophomore.  Key reserves are sophomores.  Down 6 at the half on the road.  Not bad.

Swarthmore appears to be settling for three-pointers (3-15), but maybe that is their game...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2020, 07:22:48 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 02, 2020, 06:43:27 PM
Rochester is relatively young, but starting a senior, three juniors and a sophomore.  Key reserves are sophomores.  Down 6 at the half on the road.  Not bad.

Swarthmore appears to be settling for three-pointers (3-15), but maybe that is their game...

Swat's pretty much threes or layups; they are definitely a little rusty coming off a lengthy break.  It's been a playoff level intensity most of the game, though - and a pretty good crowd for a school break.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 02, 2020, 07:32:22 PM
JC DeLass has called this one an NCAA tournament level game.  He made the call when the game was tied at 51 a piece.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2020, 07:36:42 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 02, 2020, 07:32:22 PM
JC DeLass has called this one an NCAA tournament level game.  He made the call when the game was tied at 51 a piece.

Yeah, it's felt like a 2nd/3rd round game, for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 02, 2020, 07:42:58 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 02, 2020, 07:22:48 PM

Swat's pretty much threes or layups; they are definitely a little rusty coming off a lengthy break.  It's been a playoff level intensity most of the game, though - and a pretty good crowd for a school break.

Yeah, I think they talked about things at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 02, 2020, 08:03:26 PM
I cannot wait for the Brandeis UAA home opener vs Rochester on January 17.  These Yellowjackets are ready.  I will be ready, and the Brandeis men's team and fans better be ready-- it will be one heck of an opener.

Before that though, Emory needs to be ready for January 11 for the opener.  Emory has the target on the back.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 03, 2020, 04:56:57 AM
I am rewatching the Swarthmore-Rochester game this morning on Youtube.

I am at the moment when the ref called a flagrant 1 foul on Swarthmore for taking down Ryan Algier.  The play was pretty physical and the foul
was indeed a hard foul, but to me, the video was inconclusive on whether there was a shoulder or jersey grab.  There seemed to be a push, however.  Enough to be flagrant, though? 

No instant replay in d3 to review the call, and the call did not decide the game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 03, 2020, 10:07:28 AM
So, the Rochester game was just the second that I watched this season.  Unfortunately, last night was only the third Rochester game played on the road with every other game behind the paywall.

The Yellowjackets played well last night, but their obvious height advantage will not be enough to compete with Emory.  Algier and Benka may score a lot of the 6-5 Eagles front court, but it will not be enough. 

The Yellowjackets are the lowest scoring team in the league are severely lacking in perimeter shooting.  Emory wins big at home to start league play.

This may be rich given the Tuesday result, but I think they go 0-2 against both Emory and Washington University.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 03, 2020, 12:51:24 PM
Last year in Waltham, Rochester's defense held Brandeis to 52 points. Kailan Lee went a perfect 2-2 from 3 pt range and 2-2 from the charity stripe coming off the bench in that game.  In order for Brandeis to win on Jan. 17, the Judges will have to solve that defense.

While Brandeis may not be able to get a win against either Emory or Wash U in January either, NYU and Rochester come first in my schedule.

I will probably buy a 2 month subscription to Rochester's video service on Sunday.  I wil have to remember to cancel it after UAA play ends, but I did this before.  The basketball games on the service use student PBP and comementary, so it will be interesting to see how this year's Rochester student commentary team compares with JC DeLass in that aspect.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 03, 2020, 02:57:12 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 03, 2020, 04:56:57 AM
I am rewatching the Swarthmore-Rochester game this morning on Youtube.

I am at the moment when the ref called a flagrant 1 foul on Swarthmore for taking down Ryan Algier.  The play was pretty physical and the foul
was indeed a hard foul, but to me, the video was inconclusive on whether there was a shoulder or jersey grab.  There seemed to be a push, however.  Enough to be flagrant, though? 

No instant replay in d3 to review the call, and the call did not decide the game.

I talked with one of the officials afterward (we have known each other for years) and he said the flagrant was unanimous... that they saw the defender go high (shoulders and up is a big no-no) and thus the call. I felt the same watching it live. You just can't go high on a player, especially not getting the ball, or seeming to go for it, and that not be called. It has been a point of emphasis for several years now.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 03, 2020, 03:00:26 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 02, 2020, 06:43:27 PM
Swarthmore appears to be settling for three-pointers (3-15), but maybe that is their game...

This is basically what you will see more and more in college basketball. Analytics show that three-pointers and lay-ups are more "valuable" from a make and score point of view. I have had games that I've called, Swarthmore included (twice), where there is no shot from outside the defensive arc and inside the three-point arc.

More and more teams are going this way. I am actually surprised when teams take a lot of mid-range shots. Tells me a lot about where their coaching staff is on the rhelm of analytics.

I'm not sure what is the best method, but the teams I see winning games more often than not are adopting this newer philosophy.

Swarthmore has clearly adopted that thinking and when they are on from deep, they are insanely hard to stop.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 03, 2020, 03:07:20 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 03, 2020, 02:57:12 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 03, 2020, 04:56:57 AM
I am rewatching the Swarthmore-Rochester game this morning on Youtube.

I am at the moment when the ref called a flagrant 1 foul on Swarthmore for taking down Ryan Algier.  The play was pretty physical and the foul
was indeed a hard foul, but to me, the video was inconclusive on whether there was a shoulder or jersey grab.  There seemed to be a push, however.  Enough to be flagrant, though? 

No instant replay in d3 to review the call, and the call did not decide the game.

I talked with one of the officials afterward (we have known each other for years) and he said the flagrant was unanimous... that they saw the defender go high (shoulders and up is a big no-no) and thus the call. I felt the same watching it live. You just can't go high on a player, especially not getting the ball, or seeming to go for it, and that not be called. It has been a point of emphasis for several years now.

Thanks for the explanation and clarification of the rule.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 03, 2020, 03:12:47 PM
Yes, last year Washington University scored 66 points in the first half against Rochester in St. Louis and then went on the road and scored 48 points (yikes!) for the game in the Palestra.

Rochester shot 17 percent from the perimeter and scored 62 points on the road and 50 percent (10-20) from the perimeter and scored 78 points overall at home.

Rochester likely needs strong perimeter shooting to defeat teams such as Emory and Washington University who mostly utilize players who have experience against the Rochester offense.  In these cases, the entire starting line-up (hopefully) of both teams have played 4-6 games against the Yellowjackets.

I had Brandeis as the third best team in my pre-season rankings as did the coaches and I still think that is right, but let's see.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 03, 2020, 03:21:58 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 03, 2020, 03:00:26 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 02, 2020, 06:43:27 PM
Swarthmore appears to be settling for three-pointers (3-15), but maybe that is their game...

This is basically what you will see more and more in college basketball. Analytics show that three-pointers and lay-ups are more "valuable" from a make and score point of view. I have had games that I've called, Swarthmore included (twice), where there is no shot from outside the defensive arc and inside the three-point arc.

More and more teams are going this way. I am actually surprised when teams take a lot of mid-range shots. Tells me a lot about where their coaching staff is on the rhelm of analytics.

I'm not sure what is the best method, but the teams I see winning games more often than not are adopting this newer philosophy.

Swarthmore has clearly adopted that thinking and when they are on from deep, they are insanely hard to stop.

Thanks Dave!  This is very interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 03, 2020, 03:34:31 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 03, 2020, 03:00:26 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 02, 2020, 06:43:27 PM
Swarthmore appears to be settling for three-pointers (3-15), but maybe that is their game...

This is basically what you will see more and more in college basketball. Analytics show that three-pointers and lay-ups are more "valuable" from a make and score point of view. I have had games that I've called, Swarthmore included (twice), where there is no shot from outside the defensive arc and inside the three-point arc.

More and more teams are going this way. I am actually surprised when teams take a lot of mid-range shots. Tells me a lot about where their coaching staff is on the rhelm of analytics.

... or it tells you a lot, if the coach is analytically-minded, about how well they listen to him. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2020, 03:35:07 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 03, 2020, 03:34:31 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 03, 2020, 03:00:26 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 02, 2020, 06:43:27 PM
Swarthmore appears to be settling for three-pointers (3-15), but maybe that is their game...

This is basically what you will see more and more in college basketball. Analytics show that three-pointers and lay-ups are more "valuable" from a make and score point of view. I have had games that I've called, Swarthmore included (twice), where there is no shot from outside the defensive arc and inside the three-point arc.

More and more teams are going this way. I am actually surprised when teams take a lot of mid-range shots. Tells me a lot about where their coaching staff is on the rhelm of analytics.

... or it tells you a lot, if the coach is analytically-minded, about how well they listen to him. ;)

Fair point, but I'd have to think that players who don't listen to their coaches tend to play less.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 04, 2020, 09:33:57 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 03, 2020, 03:07:20 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 03, 2020, 02:57:12 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 03, 2020, 04:56:57 AM
I am rewatching the Swarthmore-Rochester game this morning on Youtube.

I am at the moment when the ref called a flagrant 1 foul on Swarthmore for taking down Ryan Algier.  The play was pretty physical and the foul
was indeed a hard foul, but to me, the video was inconclusive on whether there was a shoulder or jersey grab.  There seemed to be a push, however.  Enough to be flagrant, though? 

No instant replay in d3 to review the call, and the call did not decide the game.

I talked with one of the officials afterward (we have known each other for years) and he said the flagrant was unanimous... that they saw the defender go high (shoulders and up is a big no-no) and thus the call. I felt the same watching it live. You just can't go high on a player, especially not getting the ball, or seeming to go for it, and that not be called. It has been a point of emphasis for several years now.

Thanks for the explanation and clarification of the rule.

I was sitting closest to the Swarthmore bench and the explanation the ref gave to Swarthmore's coach was that they felt the defenders arm had made contact with Algier's neck and they had to call it for safety reasons.  In real time, it seemed to me a combination of a defender coming in hard, coupled with an offensive player already off-balanced.  I didn't sense any animosity either way before or after the interaction.

In fact, I was really impressed with how cordial many of the players were to each other after the game - I saw a number of guys chatting between teams while Rochester was waiting to leave.  I'm sure players knew each other from camps and AAU, etc - both rosters are full of east coast prep school grads.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 04, 2020, 05:35:02 PM
It looks like Case Western Reserve gave 9-2 Albion a game, trailing by one point with a minute left before eventually falling, 74-69.  The Spartans led 38-32 at the half and had another good game by Antonio Ionadi who is currently the leading scorer on the season.  Unfortunately, I could not watch this game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 04, 2020, 05:39:14 PM
Chicago had four guys go 15 or better in scoring as the Maroons pounded North Park, 85-65.  Lavrie and McDaniel both finished with double-doubles.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 04, 2020, 07:00:28 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 04, 2020, 05:35:02 PM
It looks like Case Western Reserve gave 9-2 Albion a game, trailing by one point with a minute left before eventually falling, 74-69.  The Spartans led 38-32 at the half and had another good game by Antonio Ionadi who is currently the leading scorer on the season.  Unfortunately, I could not watch this game.

Albion is known as the MIAA's comeback kids.  Case Western was actually leading most of the second half, with the first half being nip and tuck.  Case Western took a 6 pt lead heading into halftime and was still leading with 5 minutes left, but Albion came back to win it.  Albion is now 5-2 this season when trailing with 5 minutes left.  The game was streamed on Youtube on the Albion College channel, so you should be able to watch the archived version, which is now up.

Sunday morning update-- I rewatched the game on Youtube as of my edit.  I was only able to watch the second half live, but I have now watched the first half on the Youtube archived upload. 

Sunday update-- The Albion commentator revealed that Case senior Monty Khela, who played in 7 games and started in 6 of them this season, has a partially torn Achilles tendon.  He was averaging 9.1 ppg this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 05, 2020, 11:54:57 AM
That is a tough break for Case Western Reserve.

Monty Khela is one of three seniors who have been around since the beginning of the Todd McGuinness era.

The Spartans went 2-12 in league play last season after going 6-8 the season before behind the play of TJ Duckett.  It seems for sure that they will improve on the 2-12 record, but the Khela loss matters.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 05, 2020, 01:02:37 PM
Okay, here is a rant about Sidearm Stats and the All Access service.

Obviously, I do not like paywalls, but I re-subscribed this morning to Rochester's service for the UAA basketball season.  I plan to cancel the subscription once I get billed for February.

However, once you access an on-demand game on Rochester's Sidearm Stats service, their technology forces you to watch their upload as though the game was live, even though the game is not live-- there is no ability to fast forward or rewind the stream.  This must be their technology showing its age and not getting an upgrade.  You also are forced to watch the game on either a tablet or a laptop-- if you want to watch these games on a streaming TV, you have to at least use a Chromecast relay.

In that front, Wash U gives me relief on my being able to watch all of their home games on the Roku TV.  These two Wash U faculty benefactors that helped set up the service and fund it are more than deserving of their spots in th Wash U Hall of Fame. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 06, 2020, 04:39:45 PM
looking ahead, Chicago travels to Washington University for the first week of league play.

I am not sure what to make of Chicago this season.  They are 5-6 against the toughest schedule in the league having played and lost at home to Lake Forest, Illinois Wesleyan, Nebraska Wesleyan, Wheaton, and on the road to Claremont Mudd Scripps along with a loss to a 5-6 DePauw.

Chicago still has four guys averaging in double figures as they did a season ago.  And they are getting bigger and better contributions from Cole Schmitz, Dominic Lavrie, Brennan McDaniel and Zach Munson as well as strong player from newcomer Bryce Hopkins.

I am not sure if Chicago is going to finish 3-11 or 11-3 or somewhere in between.

The two teams have a lot in common in terms of team statistics and this match-up is the embodiment of the throw out the record books rivalry so I'll have to think about this more.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 06, 2020, 05:54:26 PM
I watched the second half of Carnegie Mellon vs Drew on Roku TV and all I have to say is that the camera operator should have been quicker in swinging the camera to keep up and cover the final minute of the game.  Drew came from behind to win on a buzzer beater, 86-85, and the action was so quick that all I was able to see was the crowd reaction indicating that the shot went in.  The action in the final minute was fast and furious.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 07, 2020, 09:00:13 PM
I watched the second half of Brandeis vs Bates on the live video stream.  Great come from behind win by Brandeis tonight.  Judges were down 17 in the first half before they rallied back to take the lead and win late in the second half.

Sabir's block, rebound, and coast to coast finish to end the first half by cutting the deficit to single digits was a huge play.  Brandeis put that up as a highlight that I watched.

Collin Sawyer left the game with an injury with about 7 1/2 minutes remaining in regulation.  I hope that it is nothing too serious. 

For the first time this season, Brandeis had postgame interviews.  Tonight, Coach Jean Bain and Chandler Jones gave reactions. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on January 07, 2020, 09:15:56 PM
Desi... I have Roku... wasn't aware D3 games on it?   often?  how do you find them?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 07, 2020, 09:30:19 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 07, 2020, 09:15:56 PM
Desi... I have Roku... wasn't aware D3 games on it?   often?  how do you find them?

About half the conferences have Roku channels - you can catch a lot of games that way.  It's just the webstreams from the various schools, but it's an easy way to see them on a bigger screen.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 07, 2020, 09:44:43 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 07, 2020, 09:30:19 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 07, 2020, 09:15:56 PM
Desi... I have Roku... wasn't aware D3 games on it?   often?  how do you find them?

About half the conferences have Roku channels - you can catch a lot of games that way.  It's just the webstreams from the various schools, but it's an easy way to see them on a bigger screen.

In addition, there are a few DIII teams that use Team1Sports on Roku to stream games.  Salisbury (MD), Transylvania, and Wash & Lee use Team1Sports and have their home games on Roku.

The next step is to get the DIII teams that use Boxcast to get their games on Roku.  Boxcast has a Roku channel, but I don't see many DIII teams that stream on Boxcast that have their games up on Roku.  I have to watch those games on the Fire tablet.

Another way to get the game up on Roku is to stream on Youtube.  Youtube also has a Roku channel as well.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ronk on January 07, 2020, 09:48:28 PM
Landmark is available on Roku; also, the games are archived for a few days and usually available immediately upon completion.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 07, 2020, 09:49:08 PM

Plus you can watch Hoopsville on the Team1Sports feed, too.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 07, 2020, 10:12:01 PM
I listened to the JC DeLass WYSL radio call of the second half of Rochester v RIT.

Rochester made a season high 13-23 from 3 pt land tonight, but struggled from the charity stripe.  Still, a very comfortable win over RIT to head into UAA play at 9-2.I

Career high for Patrick Benka tonight.

Tomorrow, I will have to go to Pine Manor to watch the NYU at Pine Manor game.  Just a short trip for me.  We have come a long way from the late 1980s-early 1990s when the only way to catch a DIII game was to see it in person.  However, sometimes a financial situation of a very small college forces a fan to go old school.to catch their teams's home games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 08, 2020, 12:18:20 AM
Rochester Tech is one of the worst teams Rochester has played, but hey, Rochester is definitely exceeding my expectations at 9-2 and on the verge of breaking in to the Top 25 so hats of to the Yellowjackets.

As for Roku, you can always do it the old fashioned way and use the Roku browser to bring up d3hoops.com and click on the video link.  This should work for most of the rest of the conferences.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2020, 06:45:55 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 08, 2020, 12:18:20 AM
Rochester Tech is one of the worst teams Rochester has played, but hey, Rochester is definitely exceeding my expectations at 9-2 and on the verge of breaking in to the Top 25 so hats of to the Yellowjackets.

As for Roku, you can always do it the old fashioned way and use the Roku browser to bring up d3hoops.com and click on the video link.  This should work for most of the rest of the conferences.

I think I need a new Roku; mine doesn't have a browser.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on January 08, 2020, 07:13:46 AM
I think I need a lesson or two in Roku. ;D ;D ::) ::) ??? ???
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 08, 2020, 09:37:00 AM
Yeah, you guys need new Rokus.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 08, 2020, 10:52:07 AM
The UAA according to Ken Massey, for what its worth.

The UAA worked its way up to the No. 2 conference in Division III, then dropped to No. 4 after the losses by Emory and Washington University.  The conference is back to No. 2 today.

As for as the ratings go and as an aside, the likelihood that they will defeat their travel partner on Saturday in parenthesis.

No. 9 Emory (69% host)
No. 23 Rochester (29%)
No. 37 Washington University (75% host)
No. 71 Brandeis (74%)
No. 98 Carnegie Mellon (41%)
No. 105 Case Western Reserve (59% host)
No. 123 Chicago (25%)
No. 224 NYU (26% host)

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2020, 03:12:20 PM
I am at Pine Manor.  Brunelli Court does not have many bleacher seats.  Seats 150 at most.  Women's game at 4 PM vs Fitchburg State, followed by NYU.

Update-- logged into d3 boards on smartphone.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2020, 04:47:53 PM
NYU is now in the building.  They arrived at 4:26 remaining in the 2nd quarter of the PMC women's game.

Fitchburg leads that one at halftime 38-30 over the Pine Manor women.

Shot clock at one of the ends is faulty.  Goes in and out.  The shot clock at the scoreboard end works fine.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2020, 05:50:37 PM
Warmups now underway with a start time of 6:10 PM between NYU and Pine Manor.  Fitchburg won the women's part of the doubleheader 68-54.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2020, 06:59:44 PM
NYU leading 43-23 at halftime.  Ethan Feldman returned to the starting lineup after sitting out a game.  Action very quickly paced.  NYU seems to be playing with a full rotation.  I talked to the father of NYU basketball alum Patrick Burns.  (Class of 2016) Any NYU fans at the game are from the Boston area-- it does not look like there are fans who made the trip up from New York for the game.

PS-- Ethan Feldman made a great lay up to close out the half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2020, 07:50:47 PM
Final NYU 81 Pine Manor 50

No injuries in this one.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2020, 11:07:36 PM
I am now back from the game.

In checking out the final box score, Dom Cristiano did not play tonight for NYU.   I do not know about his status for UAA play, but I will not be surprised if he is not at 100 percent on Saturday, given his limited minutes this season.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 09, 2020, 01:08:36 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 08, 2020, 07:50:47 PM
Final NYU 81 Pine Manor 50

No injuries in this one.

To you or the players?  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 09, 2020, 01:16:13 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 09, 2020, 01:08:36 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 08, 2020, 07:50:47 PM
Final NYU 81 Pine Manor 50

No injuries in this one.

To you or the players?  ::)  ;D

Both. 😁  Bobby Hawkinson did play "King of Swat" in the second half by inadvertently swatting a ball into the Pine Manor bleachers, but I was already out of those by halftime after seeing the Pine Manor students on top of me in the first half. 😊
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 09, 2020, 01:28:08 PM
Sounds dangerous. Glad you escaped unscathed.  :P
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 09, 2020, 02:22:51 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 09, 2020, 01:28:08 PM
Sounds dangerous. Glad you escaped unscathed.  :P

Thanks.

Only 8 rows of bleachers at Brunelli-- 2 sections.  Each section seats 80 at themax, but realistically gets crowded at 50 people in the section.  If there aren100 people sitting in the bleachers, the remaining fans realistically have to stand.  Pine Manor has approx 450 students, but I am not sure how they could all fit into Brunelli Court if they all decided to watch the basketball game. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 11, 2020, 03:15:12 PM
Brandeis at NYU is underway.

One change for Brandeis as Sam Nassar (#20) starts in place of Lawrence Sabir (#2)

No changes in NYU's starting lineup from the previous game.

I am watching the live video stream.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 11, 2020, 04:00:56 PM
Brandeis up 46-36 at halftime.  Judges led 44-25 before a late NYU 11-0 run was answered by a successful last second shot by Brandeis.

Players not playing in first half-- probably DNP for game

Lawrence Sabir-- Brandeis
Dom Cristiano -- NYU
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 11, 2020, 04:50:17 PM
Washington University trails Chicago at the half, 36-25.

The Bears are again without Hunter and Nester and the latter may not be back soon.

A very good defensive game with the difference coming from perimeter shooting.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 11, 2020, 05:02:08 PM
Brandeis hangs on for the win, 76-71.  NYU rallied back from a 19 point deficit to get within a single possession, but could not get closer.

Brandeis was raining 3s in the first half, but the 3s dried up in the second, allowing NYU to rally.

Going into the game, I thought that the Brandeis X factor would be Collin Sawyer, who was banged up a little in the Bates game.  Fortunately, Collin Sawyer was able to play, but I was surprised by Lawrence Sabir's absence, as he is a key defender for the Judges.

Oh well, first win is in the books.  Brandeis home weekend next Friday and Sunday vs Rochester and Emory.

Update-- I am listening to the WYSL radio call of the second half of the Rochester at Emory men's game before I catch on demand replays of today's Chicago at Wash U doubleheader.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 11, 2020, 05:38:26 PM
Final--

Emory 75, Rochester 57

Rochester's lack of experience did the Jackets in.  Rochester had a rally early in the second half to get within a possession, but Emory responded right back.  32-67 from the FT line for Rochester in the past 4 games according to the radio call.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 11, 2020, 05:43:37 PM
Bears stave off the Chicago upset bid, 66-65
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 11, 2020, 05:51:48 PM
Case wins 88-81 over Carnegie Mellon.  I caught the last 30 seconds of the game on the CWRU video stream.

Cole Frilling tied his career high with another 27 point game today, while Antonio Ionadi made 6 3 pointers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 11, 2020, 08:20:49 PM
A few thoughts on the Washington University win over Chicago.

Fundamentally, this was a very good game.

Both teams combined for 33 assists and just 15 rebounds.

Both teams played great defense.  Chicago had a game plan for Hardy and Nolan and it mostly worked.  Hardy had just three points until scoring the final go-ahead basket. 

Nolan was held in check for much of the first half but eventually turned it up like only Nolan can do and scored 15 second half points to lead the comeback.

The Bears trailed most of the game but Nolan hit a three with 4:09 left to provide for a 59-58 lead.  The teams would trade the lead for the next few minutes before Hardy found himself one on one with Lavrie and was able to muscle his shot through an obvious Lavrie foul and score with 0:21 seconds left.  Jordan Baum was great today, leading all scorers with 27 points (including 7 three-pointers), but would miss on both a go-ahead lay-up with 0:42 seconds left and a three-pointer with 0:05 seconds left.

As much as I will continue to complain about the fact that the team is playing with two starters, as I have said too many times to count, players like Jacob and Mack and Bloedorn among others are going to be very good.  Bloedorn scored 9 points today to go along with 8 rebounds.

I'll say too, for most of the game, I thought Chicago was going to win, but the body language of both teams said otherwise.  I think Coach McGrath needs to work on that.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 12, 2020, 10:41:17 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 11, 2020, 04:50:17 PM
Washington University trails Chicago at the half, 36-25.

The Bears are again without Hunter and Nester and the latter may not be back soon.

A very good defensive game with the difference coming from perimeter shooting.

I watched an on-demand replay of the game this morning.  Jaybird44 explained on the Wash U Sports Network that Nester has a broken hand, while Hank Hunter is at least still participating in practice.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 12, 2020, 12:40:14 PM
One thing to say about the Brandeis game at NYU--

I am relieved that the absence of Lawrence Sabir yesterday did not affect the team in terms of assists, as the Judges were able to.get their 18 assists for the game in other ways. 

So, is the UAA now Emory's to lose, or is it too soon to draw conclusions?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 12, 2020, 01:47:27 PM
I still love my favorite team and feel guilty saying this, but I think Emory moves from slight favorite to clear favorite.  I think they lose 1-2 games and win the league.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 12, 2020, 02:23:18 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 12, 2020, 01:47:27 PM
I still love my favorite team and feel guilty saying this, but I think Emory moves from slight favorite to clear favorite.  I think they lose 1-2 games and win the league.

I love my Judges too, but they had a clear matchup problem last year with Emory, and I have to see what steps are being taken to solve this.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2020, 03:24:42 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 12, 2020, 01:47:27 PM
I still love my favorite team and feel guilty saying this, but I think Emory moves from slight favorite to clear favorite.  I think they lose 1-2 games and win the league.

I feel like WashU will be a bad matchup for Emory.  I can see Emory being the better team overall, but I suspect they'll struggle in the games against WashU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 12, 2020, 03:48:19 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2020, 03:24:42 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 12, 2020, 01:47:27 PM
I still love my favorite team and feel guilty saying this, but I think Emory moves from slight favorite to clear favorite.  I think they lose 1-2 games and win the league.

I feel like WashU will be a bad matchup for Emory.  I can see Emory being the better team overall, but I suspect they'll struggle in the games against WashU.

Even without Matt Nester playing due to a broken hand?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2020, 08:36:03 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 12, 2020, 03:48:19 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2020, 03:24:42 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 12, 2020, 01:47:27 PM
I still love my favorite team and feel guilty saying this, but I think Emory moves from slight favorite to clear favorite.  I think they lose 1-2 games and win the league.

I feel like WashU will be a bad matchup for Emory.  I can see Emory being the better team overall, but I suspect they'll struggle in the games against WashU.

Even without Matt Nester playing due to a broken hand?

I mean, they're both very good, so we'll have to see on the floor, but that's been my impression watching both teams play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 12, 2020, 09:29:23 PM
+1 for the multitasking.

I do think Washington University poses match-up problems for Emory if for no other reason than the fact that they have Jack Nolan.  If Washington University can get their three centers up to speed, they may finally expose Emory for their lack of length in the front court.

The match-ups with Chicago are always so crazy, I need to see the Bears play a few more games before I can recalibrate my expectations, but if I were to revise my preseason rankings, I would still have the Bears at No. 2 and would go with the following...

Emory
Washington University
Brandeis
Rochester
Case Western Reserve
Carnegie Mellon
Chicago
NYU
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 12, 2020, 09:52:07 PM

Plus, we can get some Davet on Davet, at some point, right?  Who doesn't want to see that?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 12, 2020, 10:23:14 PM
Oh, man, the battle the Davet brothers!

Easily the biggest UAA story of the year after the emergence of Cole Frilling.  Or, something like that.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 15, 2020, 05:31:50 PM
A quick midweek look at the UAA according to Ken Massey.

No. 4 Emory
No. 32 Rochester
No. 43 Washington University
No. 59 Brandeis
No. 101 Case Western Reserve
No. 127 Carnegie Mellon
No. 132 Chicago
No. 205 NYU

It is a little early for the return of my Fridays in the UAA post, but while I am thinking of it:

Emory at NYU
90-73 win for the Eagles

Rochester at Brandeis
61-57 win for the Yellowjackets

Washington University at Case Western Reserve
72-69 win for the Bears

Chicago at Carnegie Mellon
81-81 win for the Maroons
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2020, 08:13:37 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 15, 2020, 05:31:50 PM
A quick midweek look at the UAA according to Ken Massey.

No. 4 Emory
No. 32 Rochester
No. 43 Washington University
No. 59 Brandeis
No. 101 Case Western Reserve
No. 127 Carnegie Mellon
No. 132 Chicago
No. 205 NYU

It is a little early for the return of my Fridays in the UAA post, but while I am thinking of it:

Emory at NYU
90-73 win for the Eagles

Rochester at Brandeis
61-57 win for the Yellowjackets

Washington University at Case Western Reserve
72-69 win for the Bears

Chicago at Carnegie Mellon
81-81 win for the Maroons

Is that like the famous Harvard-Yale game where the headline in the Harvard Crimson was Harvard downs Yale, 14-14?  (Or whatever the final score was.)  Yale was so heavily favored that a tie felt like a win to Harvard. ;)  I believe that was with Brian Doyle(?) as the Yale QB, who was immortalized as BD in Doonesbury.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2020, 08:41:40 PM
Obviously, it should read Massey predicts: Chicago 82, Carnegie Mellon 81-- as WUPHF was trying to post the Massey predicted scorelines for Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 15, 2020, 10:58:49 PM
There are enough recorded ties in basketball that Harvard-Yale joke football joke falls flat here.

So, anyway, games on Friday...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2020, 05:50:49 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2020, 08:13:37 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 15, 2020, 05:31:50 PM
A quick midweek look at the UAA according to Ken Massey.

No. 4 Emory
No. 32 Rochester
No. 43 Washington University
No. 59 Brandeis
No. 101 Case Western Reserve
No. 127 Carnegie Mellon
No. 132 Chicago
No. 205 NYU

It is a little early for the return of my Fridays in the UAA post, but while I am thinking of it:

Emory at NYU
90-73 win for the Eagles

Rochester at Brandeis
61-57 win for the Yellowjackets

Washington University at Case Western Reserve
72-69 win for the Bears

Chicago at Carnegie Mellon
81-81 win for the Maroons

Is that like the famous Harvard-Yale game where the headline in the Harvard Crimson was Harvard downs Yale, 14-14?  (Or whatever the final score was.)  Yale was so heavily favored that a tie felt like a win to Harvard. ;)  I believe that was with Brian Doyle(?) as the Yale QB, who was immortalized as BD in Doonesbury.

The final score was 29-29.  The game was played in 1968.  Pete Varney, who played tight end for Harvard at the time, caught the tying 2 pt conversion pass with 42 seconds left.  He would later go on to become Brandeis's baseball coach for many years before retiring a few seasons ago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 16, 2020, 11:26:42 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 16, 2020, 05:50:49 AM
The final score was 29-29.  The game was played in 1968.  Pete Varney, who played tight end for Harvard at the time, caught the tying 2 pt conversion pass with 42 seconds left.  He would later go on to become Brandeis's baseball coach for many years before retiring a few seasons ago.

Varney was a backup catcher in the majors with the White Sox and Braves for a few years in the mid-'70s. His biggest claim to fame was that he was traded for the legendary Blue Moon Odom.

There is a celebrated documentary that came out a few years ago about that football game, entitled (naturally) Harvard Beats Yale 29-29, that I'd like to see sometime.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 17, 2020, 04:36:05 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 15, 2020, 05:31:50 PM
A quick midweek look at the UAA according to Ken Massey.

No. 4 Emory
No. 32 Rochester
No. 43 Washington University
No. 59 Brandeis
No. 101 Case Western Reserve
No. 127 Carnegie Mellon
No. 132 Chicago
No. 205 NYU

It is a little early for the return of my Fridays in the UAA post, but while I am thinking of it:

Emory at NYU
90-73 win for the Eagles

Rochester at Brandeis
61-57 win for the Yellowjackets

Washington University at Case Western Reserve
72-69 win for the Bears

Chicago at Carnegie Mellon
81-81 win for the Maroons

As of Friday morning, Jan. 17, Massey has slightly adjusted its Chicago/Carnegie Mellon probable scoreline.  Currently, it's now an 82-80 win for the Maroons.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2020, 09:52:03 AM
I am moving this forward as I have no interest in the Harvard-Yale game and it is indeed Friday in the UAA.

Emory at NYU
90-73 win for the Eagles

Rochester at Brandeis
61-57 win for the Yellowjackets

Washington University at Case Western Reserve
72-69 win for the Bears

Chicago at Carnegie Mellon
82-81 win for the Maroons

__________

I have not watched a lot of Case Western Reserve this season for whatever reason, but I am excited for the game tonight.

Last season, the Bears had a 25 point lead at the half and cruised to a victory in St. Louis but then had to defend against two last second three-point attempts to avoid overtime.  The 8-4 Spartans are certainly going in to the game expecting to win.

On paper, the teams look surprisingly similar in terms of shooting percentages, free throw percentages, points per game, rebounds per game, assists per game, turnovers per game, steals per game and personal fouls per game all being very close.

The Bears have struggled to score in the past two games as they adjust to line-up changes, scoring 61 against Millikin and 66 against Chicago.  They defense has been very good and will be even more important tonight, but I am not sure a low scoring game will get it done on the road.

Washington University was a good perimeter shooting team in the Fall, but they will go in to the game tonight with their leading scorer shooting 48-104 (.462) and then a drop-off with other players going: 12-44 (.273), 3-10 (.300), 14-38 (.368), 4-16 (.250), 3-11 (.273) and 0-6 (.000).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 17, 2020, 02:39:10 PM
I am now on the Brandeis campus getting ready to see tonight's doubleheader vs Rochester.  I stopped in the office to ask about Lawrence Sabir's status.  He is recuperating from an injury that he sustained in practice leading up to the NYU game.  He is fine otherwise, and should not be out of action for too long, but in the meantime, I will miss his 4 assists and 1.5 steals per game that he brings to the table.   Sabir is a heavily valued defender, and I hope to see him back in action soon.

In the meantime, any neutral fan who picked Rochester to win tonight and make it 6 wins in a row in Waltham is probably playing the safe pick.  I will.se r tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2020, 08:50:37 PM
Washington University leads Case Western Reserve at the half, 47-23.

Hank Hunter is back and got the start, but Justin Hardy is out for the game so the Bears are still down two starters.  Hardy is on the bench so hopefully he is back for Sunday.

The Bears are playing some of their best defense of the season and getting very good offensive contributions from the bench. 
__________

In other games, Chicago and Carnegie Mellon are tied at the half, 28-28.  Emory leads NYU at the half 44-39.  That is the most shocking result of the night despite the other lopside scores.  Let's see if the Violets can keep it close.  I'll wait for the Brandeis update.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 17, 2020, 09:44:56 PM
Brandeis easily beat Rochester, and it was not even close.  Brandeis was up by 23 at halftime and cruised to the win.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2020, 09:50:54 PM
Washington University is to 2-0 in the league with a 88-66 win over Case Western Reserve.

That is a very good result for the Bears considering that Nolan finished with just 13 points and both Hardy and Nester were on the bench.

The Bears shot 50% from the field and 50% or so from three-point range.  Payden Webb had a career night, scoring 21 points including 7-8 from downtown.  Very good games by a host of players including DeVaughn Rucker who finished with 11 points and 11 rebounds for the double-double.

43-26 advantage in rebounding too.
__________

Carnegie Mellon defeats Chicago, 71-62
Emory defeats NYU, 83-69

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 17, 2020, 11:09:35 PM
I am home from the men's game.

Brandeis defeated Rochester 76-54 today in front of an Auerbach Arena packed with Brandeis students, some Brandeis alumni, a lot of Boston area Rochester alums who attended the game because it was a Rochester Alumni Association event, and some other Rochester fans who made the eastbound trip.

Midway through the first half, Brandeis had a 27-13 lead and Rochester was never able to get back into the game.  Brandeis was up 43-20 at halftime, and was up 60-35 with 10 mins left in regulation.

To be honest, this was one of the better games that I have seen the Brandeis men play in quite a while.  Each player was defending very intensely.  On offense, Brandeis was able to get 20 assists on their 27 made baskets, even with Lawrence Sabir not playing due to injury.  Brandeis made 9 of 18 from 3 pts land, and 18 of their 32 2 pt field goal attempts. At the charity stripe, Brandeis shot 13 of 16.  Leading Brandeis was Collin Sawyer with 24 pts and Nolan Haggerty with 18 pts.  For Rochester, Ross Gang led with 16 pts, while Ryan Algier had 15 pts and Kailan Lee with 10 pts.

Rochester had swept this doubleheader for the past five seasons.   Tonight, Brandeis swept Rochester at the Auerbach Arena for the first time since 2014.

I am awaiting Sunday's game vs Emory to see what happens next.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 18, 2020, 02:30:43 PM
It may be Saturday, but Sundays in the UAA is almost here so...

Here is the schedule with the corresponding Ken Massey predictions.

Rochester at NYU
67-58 win for the Yellowjackets

Rochester is 0-2 in conference play, but moves to 1-2 after this game. Rochester. Sharpie.

Emory at Brandeis
82-75 win for the Eagles

I do think this game is worthy of a game to watch list.  I think Emory gets the win, but at the same time, I think Brandeis and Washington University are the only two teams that have a chance at the upset and all four of those games will be played on Sunday so... 

I agree that the absence of Lawrence Sabir leaves Brandeis at a disadvantage defensively speaking and the Judges will need their best defensive effort of the season.

Chicago at Case Western Reserve
74-73 win for the Spartans

Washington University at Carnegie Mellon
80-75 win for the Bears
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 19, 2020, 05:04:07 AM
Once again, I will be at Brandeis to watch the doubleheader in person, and I welcome fans who cannot be in Waltham, MA today to watch the live Boxcast stream on the Brandeis Judges website.  Commentary is being done this year by Brandeis first year student Jonah White, who has done a terrific job so far.

In a first this year, short post game remarks from the Brandeis coaches and a player from each team are being uploaded on Youtube on (I believe) a same day basis.  Remarks on the Rochester games are now available on the Brandeis Judges Youtube channel.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 19, 2020, 10:19:57 AM
I am on campus for the Sunday doubleheader, and behold, today is Brandeis Alumni Family Day at Auerbach Arena!
  Usually, I register for this event, but I did not recall getting an email this season for the event.  It usually does not fall on the first Sunday home UAA game, but this year, it does.  I can use my fellow alumni today to cheer Brandeis on vs Emory.

Update-- Today is also Brandeis Faculty/Staff Appreciation Day.  In addition, we have a Special Olympics related event also going on in the Gosman Center.
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Post by: WUPHF on January 19, 2020, 10:22:02 AM
Today I am a Brandeis Judge.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 19, 2020, 11:12:44 AM
I just met Brandeis sophomore Jesse Lieberman, who does the commentary for the men's games, at courtside.  Brandeis first year Jonah White does commentary for the women's games this season.  Just to get my bearings straight since I usually watch the Brandeis home UAA games in person.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 19, 2020, 12:39:22 PM
Washington University leads Carnegie Mellon at the half, 33-29.

The Bears are without three starters today.  Holy moly!

Both teams started strong but cooled off quickly.  Payden Webb leads all scorers with 8 followed by DeVaughn Rucker with 7. 

Both teams are playing very good defense.
__________

NYU leads Rochester at the half, 35-34
Chicago leads Case Western Reserve, 37-31
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 19, 2020, 01:51:02 PM
Washington University defeats Carnegie Mellon, 80-72 to move to a two-way tie for first with Brandeis.  Brandeis is headed to St. Louis next Friday.

As for this game, the Bears had one of the best defensive games in the first half, but found themselves trailing for most of the second half.  The Bears needed big games from Payden Webb, Charlie Jacob and Kameron Mack and they got it. 

Payden Webb almost matched his career high from Friday, scoring 20 including 4-8 from the perimeter.  He is a good candidate for the UAA player of the week as Webb scored 41 points in just 47 minutes between the two games this weekend.

Five Bears scored in double figures in all.  Rucker finished with another double-double and Arenas quietly had one of his best games. 

To the Carnegie Mellon play by play guy, if you read the boards, a question: you are allowed to call a foul on every Washington University defensive play for 10 consecutive minutes, but Nolan gets hacked and he has the reputation for complaining?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 19, 2020, 01:53:15 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a UAA race in the 14 game tournament.  Brandeis defeated Emory, 75-73.  I will post more later today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 19, 2020, 05:13:24 PM
My thoughts on the Brandeis vs Emory game--

Last year, Brandeis had a matchup problem with Emory.  For today at least, Brandeis solved that problem and was able to play the game that the Judges wanted to play.  Watching from the stands, I was able to see that Brandeis was able to carry over the effort from Friday's beatdown of Rochester into today's Alumni Day matchup against Emory.

The suspense was there the entire game.  I was worried that Emory was going to escape with a win at about 90 seconds left in the game when the ref first called Brandeis for a lane violation on a second FT attempt, and then calls a 5 second call on Darret Justice.  Brandeis had only one timeout left to call at 1:26 left and did not want to use it to prevent the 5 second call, especially since Coach Jean Bain thought that the ref was too quick on the count.

Anyway, game is tied with less than 30 seconds left coming out of a timeout.  I am thinking overtime at this point before Eric D'Aguanno makes the basket at 0.8 seconds left.  Ballgame! We have a UAA men's race!

I really enjoyed the kosher cheese pizza slices in the Alumni Hospitality Room today.  Somehow, we found a third room in Gosman for the men's basketball players social, with the Trophy Room reserved for the Brandeis Alumni, and one of the Multi Purpose rooms reserved for Brandeis Faculty/Staff.

Emory got the win on the women's side, but CWRU has made it a race on the women's side as well with their sweep of Wash U and Chicago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 19, 2020, 05:26:13 PM
Courtside post game comments from Brandeis coach Jean Bain and from Eric D'Aguanno on today's win vs Emory are now up on the Brandeis Judges Youtube channel.

Special thanks to Brandeis sophomore Jesse Lieberman for today's play by play call of the men's game and for the post game questions.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 19, 2020, 05:54:51 PM
Eric D'Aguanno's game winning shot vs Emory is now up on the Brandeis Judges Youtube channel.  One angle of the shot is from the crowd end with commentary, with another angle from the view of the Brandeis bench.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 19, 2020, 08:46:27 PM
Congrats to Brandeis on gaining the victory over Emory!  It seems that the men of Brandeis and the women of Case have been trying to get momentum rolling toward UAA contention for a couple or three years, and their trains are now starting to roll.  They have added a nice amount of spice to what is always an exciting UAA conference race.

WashU persevered and got an important victory, doubly so after the Brandeis win over Emory.  It has been fun to watch the unflappable Charlie Jacob take the reins of the offense and keep the yips from creeping into the team's performance.  Kameron Mack has really matured this season, becoming more than a hopeful 3-point shooting specialist.  His shifting of his game into a basket slasher has made him multi-dimensional.  His sequence of a 3 and subsequent take to the basket put the Bears ahead for good with about a minute left.  And, Payden Webb has done what you hope he would do...pick up the scoring slack for injured senior guard Matt Nester.  As a result, the Bears have continued to prosper without three starters.

This creates what might be the earliest most-important UAA weekend in quite a few years, with WashU hosting Brandeis Friday night in a battle of 3-0 co-leaders of the UAA...the Bears then playing NYU on sleepy Sunday...Brandeis playing at WashU and Chicago...and Emory looking to rebound against Case and Carnegie Mellon.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 19, 2020, 09:24:41 PM
I have been listening to the Top 25 Double Take on Hoopsville.  Today, the topic is conference races.

As to Dave McHugh's comment that the first AQ comes from the UAA, that comment may be true most of the time, but not always.  The AQ race has come down to Matchday 14 in some years.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2020, 09:33:47 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 19, 2020, 09:24:41 PM
I have been listening to the Top 25 Double Take on Hoopsville.  Today, the topic is conference races.

As to Dave McHugh's comment that the first AQ comes from the UAA, that comment may be true most of the time, but not always.  The AQ race has come down to Matchday 14 in some years.

I was being a little tongue and cheek. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 19, 2020, 09:38:59 PM
You guys are forgetting about last season.

In terms of key match-ups, Chicago, Washington University, Emory and Rochester were the only teams that had a chance at the league title last season and they had all played each other at this point in the season.  That was one of the toughest starts to a season in my time following the league.  Those teams would finish 1-4 in the standings.

In terms of league championships, Emory defeated Rochester in the last game of the season to win the championship and the automatic bid.  I am not sure though if any other conference tournaments had been decided at that point though.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 19, 2020, 09:51:10 PM
And Jay, you, may have a better eye for basketball than I do, but Brandeis had their best upperclassmen quitting in protest and just enough talent to get three wins in league play just two seasons ago.

I had Lawrence Sabir and Eric D'Aguanno in my keeper fantasy league as they had obvious talent, but Brandeis is the last team I expected to compete for the championship two seasons later. 

The turn-around by Coach Bain is still one of the biggest UAA stories of the 21st century.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 20, 2020, 04:58:08 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 19, 2020, 09:38:59 PM
You guys are forgetting about last season.

In terms of key match-ups, Chicago, Washington University, Emory and Rochester were the only teams that had a chance at the league title last season and they had all played each other at this point in the season.  That was one of the toughest starts to a season in my time following the league.  Those teams would finish 1-4 in the standings.

In terms of league championships, Emory defeated Rochester in the last game of the season to win the championship and the automatic bid.  I am not sure though if any other conference tournaments had been decided at that point though.

I believe that the CUNYAC and at least one of the NJAC AQs (men or women) have their championship games on Friday of conference tournament week, so if the UAA race goes to the final day, then the UAA AQ would not be the first awarded.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 20, 2020, 10:37:11 AM
Eric D'Aguanno's shot with 0.8 seconds left to beat Emory yesterday made it to #7 on ESPN's Top 10 plays on Sportscenter this morning.  Congratulations!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 20, 2020, 01:14:45 PM
A look at the UAA standings after the first two weekends.

Case Western Reserve and Carnegie Mellon probably needed to go 2-0 at home this weekend to have a chance.  Rochester and Chicago have been on the road for the first three games but I am not sure if there will be enough margin for error for either team to have a chance.

3-0 Washington University
3-0 Brandeis
2-1 Emory
1-2 Rochester
1-2 Case Western Reserve
1-2 Carnegie Mellon
1-2 Chicago
0-3 NYU
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2020, 03:52:28 AM
Brandeis breaks into d3hoops.com Top 25...

UAA teams in poll this week--

#8 Emory-- 449 points
#13 Wash U-- 313 points
#24 Brandeis-- 57 points
RV-- Rochester -- 6 points
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2020, 06:06:34 PM
More honors for Brandeis announced today --

Brandeis is the NABC DIII Men's Basketball Team of the Week-- first time in program history for getting this honor.

Jean Bain-- Hoopdirt.com DIII Men's Basketball Coach of the Week
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 22, 2020, 08:58:27 PM
Hello WUPHF!

I certainly don't think that I have a better eye for basketball than you do.  Quite the contrary.  I am certain that you see more games with more of the UAA teams outside of WashU than I do.  So I would defer to you with regards to assessing the roots of the emergence of Brandeis as a bonafide UAA contender.

I based my statement mainly on an intuitive feel...maybe a myopic one as well, since I was thinking of the 3 games that have been close between WashU and Brandeis, out of their last 8 meetings.  My feeling was that Brandeis was seemingly a player or two away from being a factor in the UAA races...and the Judges just were unable to add layers of underclassmen that could have really deepened and broadened the talent there. 

In retrospect, perhaps the previous regime was too corrosive, and thus self-destructive in its attempts to build a consistent contending program...the player defection you referenced appears now to have been the visible tip of an otherwise hidden iceberg.  Jean Bain looks like he is the direct antithesis of that, and thus the perfect tonic for the Brandeis men's basketball program.

This weekend may not be one of the earliest important ones in the UAA race, upon further review.  But I do think that it does have a significant degree of anxiety.  Emory has suffered two losses in close proximity to each other.  Brandeis is riding high on a wave of emergence and confidence.  WashU continues to successfully walk a competitive tightrope made more dangerous by missing three starters (might have to temporarily change the team's nickname to the Flying Wallendas).  Rochester may feel like it is hanging on to one of the last knots on this season's competitive rope of the UAA, after a 1-2 conference start.

It's a weekend in which Alfred Hitchcock would enjoy, if he was around and a basketball fan...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 23, 2020, 01:50:33 PM
I have to say, the references to the Flying Wallendas and Alfred Hitchcock are easily two of my favorite Jay Murry-isms.  And both are so true.

At the beginning of the season, I was confident that both Washington University and Emory would be 3-0 after the second weekend and 5-0 heading in to the fourth weekend, setting up the game of the season.  But here we are...

The schedule sure worked out perfectly with the Bears getting both Brandeis and Emory at home for the first match-ups.

I feel good about this game as the Bears have been playing such good defense lately, but this one definitely comes with the anxiety.

Let's hope we get a big student crowd with this being the first Friday conference game and all the students back on-campus.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 23, 2020, 02:10:14 PM
As we get ready for the third weekend in league play, here are the match-ups for our next Friday in the UAA.

Brandeis at Washington University
Bears over the Judges, 71-66

I think the Bears are favored at home, depending who plays, but close nonetheless.

NYU at Chicago
Maroons over the Violets, 78-67

NYU may finally get a conference win but I doubt it.

Carnegie Mellon at Emory
Eagles over the Tartans, 94-78

The Tartans may make it interesting, but the Eagles get the win with a 15-20 point margin.

Case Western Reserve at Rochester
Yellowjackets over the Spartans, 70-58

This is a must win for Rochester and they will get the win.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 24, 2020, 04:21:25 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 17, 2020, 09:50:54 PM
Washington University is to 2-0 in the league with a 88-66 win over Case Western Reserve.

That is a very good result for the Bears considering that Nolan finished with just 13 points and both Hardy and Nester were on the bench.

The Bears shot 50% from the field and 50% or so from three-point range.  Payden Webb had a career night, scoring 21 points including 7-8 from downtown.  Very good games by a host of players including DeVaughn Rucker who finished with 11 points and 11 rebounds for the double-double.

43-26 advantage in rebounding too.
__________

Carnegie Mellon defeats Chicago, 71-62
Emory defeats NYU, 83-69

CWRU has uploaded the men's games from 1/17 and 1/19/2020 vs Wash U and Chicago on the Case Western Reserve University Youtube channel for viewing pleasure as of January 24, 2020.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ScottieSuit on January 24, 2020, 08:56:15 PM
CMU up 51-50 over Emory at the half. Pace of play picked up as the half went on, which likely favors the Eagles.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 24, 2020, 09:53:06 PM
Washington University leads Brandeis at the half, 36-30.

The Bears are down three starters and a key reserve. The hits keep coming.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 24, 2020, 11:02:45 PM
Great broadcast from Jay Murry tonight--

Congrats to the Wash U Bears on the 70-60 win over Brandeis.  I will see the rematch at Auerbach Arena on Feb. 21, and I hope that there will be a Brandeis win in the rematch.

That being said, I was glad to watch the doubleheader tonight, even though Brandeis did not sweep.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 25, 2020, 12:38:36 AM
A few quick thoughts on the Washington University win over Brandeis...

I had complained early on about the Bears defensive, but this may have been their best defensive effort of the Coach Juckem era. As part of that defense, the Bears registered 10 steals and 6 blocks.

I hesitate to single out a player because everyone played so well tonight, but DeVaughn Rucker and Jonathan Arenas were great tonight. Rucker finished with 15 points (6-6 from the free throw line) and Arenas finished with 15 rebounds and 8 assists, but both  were so good on the defensive end.

I am not ready to draft an all-Association team yet, but I'll have either Rucker or Arenas as my pick for defensive player of the year and the coaches will probably do the same.

Washington University has to get ready for the one and only trap game they have this season against NYU on Sunday.
__________

In other games...

Chicago over NYU, 79-74
Emory over Carnegie Mellon, 91-72
Rochester over Case Western Reserve in OT, 88-86
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 25, 2020, 09:32:49 AM
Enjoyed watching the game with you. Rucker and Arenas are the two guys for Wash U whose play stood out to me as well. It certainly was a gritty defensive effort by the Bears. More impressive doing it with Hardy, Hunter & Company unable to play. Charlie Jacob and Kameron Mack both had some shining moments, as did Jack Nolan. Actually, every Bear did something to contribute to the win. Definitely a team effort.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 25, 2020, 01:47:06 PM
Thank you 'deis for the compliment!  It was a fun game to broadcast, and if Chandler Jones hadn't found himself in early foul trouble and a subsequent long stint on the bench, the outcome might have been different.

As of late, it has been enjoyable to see the Bears adhere to the Dirty Harry Callahan credo, "A man's got to know his limitations."  Especially so with two and three starters who have been out for each of the last six games.  Push your envelope, yes.  But don't try to be something you're not.  Head Coach Pat Juckem and his staff also deserve lots of credit for getting some players redirected toward their strengths.  As a result, there has been a noted reduction in ill-advised 3-point shots and an improvement in shot selection and playing under control.

Jonathan Arenas continues to amaze.  A guard grabbing 15 rebounds, to add to his average of 6.8 rpg.  That's not even his career best...Jonathan's career high is 17 rebounds.  He's second on the TEAM in rebounds per game.  His five offensive rebounds helped extend possessions, so he's not a poacher of easy defensive rebounds.  I firmly believe Arenas is among the best rebounding guards in the country...I would need to do some exhaustive research on that to bolster my claim, but I'm willing to bet a root beer float that he is in that exclusive company.

Meanwhile...the Bears have to take care of business in a Sleepy Sunday contest vs. NYU.  The win over nationally-ranked Brandeis helps alleviate (a little bit) the lingering heartburn from the loss to Millikin.  But, a loss to the Violets will prompt WashU fans to grab a big handful of Tums to close their weekend...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 25, 2020, 03:08:31 PM
To further illuminate the impact that Jonathan Arenas had on last night's WashU 70-60 win over Brandeis...

Through an assist, steal, and/or rebound...Arenas had a hand in 12 scoring possessions for WashU, generating 26 points.  Six possessions and 13 points in each half.

Arenas was involved in each of the first 3 baskets of the game, as WashU raced to a 6-0 lead...then, in the second half, he had a hand in 7 straight WashU points; fronm 43-37 to 50-39.

A great example that you don't have to score points, to generate points and affect the outcome of a game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 25, 2020, 09:18:21 PM
The UAA has two elite-level rebounding guards.

Matthew Schner was leading the league in rebounds by a guard until last weekend.

The per 40 statistics favor Jonathan Arenas but consider:
-Arenas typically played more minutes during his best rebounding performances
-Schner has a broader role; the third leading scorer in the UAA is going to have fewer opportunities to rebound.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 26, 2020, 09:16:27 AM
Sunday in the UAA with predictions by Ken Massey

Brandeis at Chicago
Maroons over the Judges, 70-69

Case Western Reserve at Emory
Eagles over the Spartans, 90-73

Carnegie Mellon at Rochester
Yellowjackets over the Tartans, 76-66

NYU at Washington University
Bears over the Violets, 79-62
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 26, 2020, 12:43:24 PM
Halftime scores from the early games--

Emory 47, CWRU 30

Rochester 32, Carnegie Mellon 30
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 26, 2020, 01:37:35 PM
Final scores from the early games--

Emory 106, CWRU 70

Rochester 78, Carnegie Mellon 62
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 26, 2020, 01:40:28 PM
Washington University trails NYU at the half, 36-26.

The Violets are large and in charge of the paint.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 26, 2020, 01:43:12 PM
Halftime in the Midwest--

NYU 36, Wash U 26

Chicago 32, Brandeis 28


(Reminder to watch archived Wash U/NYU game later-- maybe tomorrow.)

I am listening to WYSL and wil switch when Rochester becomes final.

Switching back to Brandeis at Chicago...

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 26, 2020, 02:33:40 PM
Finals in the Midwest--

Brandeis 63, Chicago 60

Eric D'Aguanno does it again!  This time, the game winning 3 came with 3.2 seconds left, but the Brandeis D got another stop and preserved the win.

Wash U 73, NYU 70

I was able to catch the last few minutes of that one on the Roku TV-- Game with a rewatch tomorrow.  I will let WUPHF and jaybird44 post additional comments on that one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 26, 2020, 05:23:39 PM
UAA teams that have clinched winning seasons--

Wash U, Emory

Both Brandeis and Rochester need 1 more win to clinch winning seasons.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 26, 2020, 06:16:53 PM
I am not sure what to say about the Washington University win over NYU because even with three starters and a key reserve on the DL, the Bears were heavily favored to win this game.

This was one of those Sunday games...

The opposing team comes in with a more energy and is getting good looks.  More shots are falling.  The opposing team is getting the rebounds.  The opposing team establishes a double-digit lead.  And there is no crowd to speak of. 

NYU led 21-11 with 10 minutes to go in the first half and by 31-14 with four minutes to go in the first half.  Washington University fought their way back, eventually tying the game with 8 minutes left in the game. 

The Bears were able to push the lead to double digits, but the Violets would not go away.  NYU had a three-point shot to force an overtime, but the shot hit the back of the rim and the game was over.

This was a very good team win yet again. 

Devaughn Rucker did lead the Bears yet again with 19 points and 9 rebounds.  In a game in which free throws were hard to come by, Rucker went 8-8 from the line including key free throws in the final Bears possession to push the lead to three.

NYU played very well today, so credit to Ethan Feldman and company for moving the ball and defending very well.
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In other games, the loss today by 7-9 Chicago means that the Maroons are at risk of a losing season.  Lot of basketball to be played though.  They fall out of contention for the conference for sure.

Rochester continues to prove me wrong with every game.

Emory absolutely destroyed Case Western Reserve, shooting 55% from three point range and finishing with 46 rebounds, but as pointed out to me, Romin Williams played just one minute in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 26, 2020, 06:48:52 PM
WUPHF-- 

I am not used to seeing the Wash U women drop UAA home games in the Field House consecutively.  The last time that the Wash U women failed to make the NCAAs was 1988-89, my sophomore year at Brandeis and the first year that Brandeis and Wash U played each other in UAA play.  This weekend was only the second one ever that the Wash U women lost to Brandeis and NYU on the same weekend, and the previous time was the 1995-96 season, when the Bears lost at the Coles Center and the Red Auerbach Arena.

We are now only talking about Wash U as a contender in the men's race for the NCAAs.  I never thought that this day would come....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2020, 09:40:48 AM
It is crazy, though not as crazy when you consider that Washington University played just three upperclassmen over the weekend.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 27, 2020, 09:47:53 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 27, 2020, 09:40:48 AM
It is crazy, though not as crazy when you consider that Washington University played just three upperclassmen over the weekend.

We did know in the first semester that Wash U was not going to replicate the George Fox women's basketball 2008-09 season...;-)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2020, 02:04:15 PM
A quick look at the UAA after the third weekend of play.

5-0 Washington University
4-1 Emory University
4-1 Brandeis
3-2 Rochester
2-3 Chicago
1-4 Carnegie Mellon
1-4 Case Western Reserve
0-5 New York University

For the top teams, this league is wide open...

Washington University: home win over Brandeis
Brandeis: home wins over Rochester and Emory; road loss to Washington University
Emory: home win over Rochester; road loss to Brandeis
Rochester: road losses to Emory and Brandeis

Though we may have a front runner by as early as this weekend or the following weekend as Washington University hosts and then travels to Rochester and Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 28, 2020, 01:28:33 PM
Thinking ahead to Friday, Washington University is going to have to prepare for Ryan Algier who was named Athlete of the Week this week.  His results from last weekend:

University of Rochester junior forward Ryan Algier averaged 19.5 points and 14.0 rebounds, while shooting 51.9 percent from the floor (14-for-27) in two home UAA wins. He scored 23 points and grabbed 11 boards in the Yellowjackets' 88-86 overtime victory over Case Western Reserve University. Algier netted 16 points and pulled down a career-high 17 rebounds in a 78-62 win over Carnegie Mellon University.

As unfortunate as it is to have two 6-8 players relegated to the bench, this will be a good test for our other 6-8 and 6-10 players.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2020, 04:05:39 PM
Washington University is this week's NABC Division III Men's Basketball Team of the Week.-- Congrats on the honor.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 28, 2020, 05:51:21 PM
I think the honor is well deserved, especially as the all-hands-on-deck Bears continue to paddle through dangerous waters for victories.

NYU Head Coach Dagan Nelson had a great game plan of taking away any and all airspace available to WashU's Jack Nolan and Payden Webb from beyond the arc.  Nolan, despite working feverishly for good shots, was 1-5 and had 2 points in the first half, and Webb was 0-2.  And, the Violets' defense was very tenacious...forcing 8 Bears turnovers and allowing only 2 assists on 10 WashU baskets.  When Charlie Jacob had your only 3-point basket out of 8 attempts in the first half, you know that the offense had major difficulties getting things done.  DeVaughn Rucker thankfully had the strength to carry the water for WashU in the first half, scoring 12 points.

The Sunday Sleepy Slumbers plagued WashU too.  NYU outrebounded WashU (a +10.5 rebound margin team) 23-13, and 10-1 on the offensive glass in the first half.  WashU was down 17 with after the first 12 minutes of play, and in some real trouble with three starters out of action.  Fortunately, the Bears whittled the deficit down to 10 by halftime, and they held NYU to 41% shooting.  If the defense hadn't played well, the Bears would have been down too far for a comeback.

The second half was much better.  Nolan was 6 for 8 for 15 points in that half.  Jacob continued to make timely shots, and ended up with a career-high 14 points.  Kameron Mack tallied 12 points total (8 in the 2nd half).  WashU shot 60% in the 2nd half, including 6-11 from 3-point range...as it finally caught and passed NYU with about 8 minutes to go in regulation.  Still, NYU hung tough and came from 7 down to have a chance to tie with a 3 in the final seconds, and the tying shot struck the rim and fell away for a 73-70 WashU win.  The Violets also may have grabbed some St. Louis-based Tums on the way out of town, after shooting 13-24 from the free throw line (54%). 

Everyone that played for the Bears had to contribute, and they did.  Kevin Davet had 3 points (including a thunderous two-hand slam) and 3 blocks.  Spencer Boehm was held in check throughout the game until the final minutes, when he made 3-4 free throws.  Webb had 5 points, Jonathan Arenas 5 boards, and Louis Reinmiller had a rebound in 3 minutes of play in the first half...as he was inserted to try and light a spark for the sputtering Bears.

WashU has risen to #11 in the d3hoops.com poll, and we'll see if the reserves-as-starters continue to produce victories.  They have played 6 games, and posted a 5-game win streak to start UAA play.  The Bears will be buoyed by a big Friday crowd on Eliot Night as they host Rochester (receiving votes), then they will host #8 Emory Sunday.  Another tricky yet highly entertaining weekend ahead for the Bears...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 28, 2020, 08:43:36 PM
This is only tangentially related, but Nicholls State is 14-8 and No. 2 in the Southland Conference.

The Colonels are coached by former Emory sharpshooter Austin Claunch who is in his fourth year at the helm.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2020, 09:52:27 PM
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Time for a marathon!

Thursday, Hoopsville will be on the air for at least nine hours in the 7th Annual Hoopsville Marathon Show.

This year's show will feature coaches, administrators, and many others around Division III to give us a sense of the season to date and what is to come. There is only a month or so left in the regular season, so there is plenty to talk about.

For more information about the show and its impact, click here.

The show's guest list is below with a rough idea of when they were scheduled to appear during the live show.

The marathon is also a chance to fundraise of the show. Many fans of Hoopsville ask often how they can give to the program so we can continue doing our work into the future. In the first few years of the Marathon, the fundraising side was an important aspect. However in the last few years, we have shyed away from fundraising as we tried to find other means to financially run the program. After requests from many, we are do have a few ways fans can contribute.

Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the entire Marathon show LIVE in the video player above. We will effort to turn around podcast episodes of the entire show. They will be available to the right (after the show is off the air).

Guests appear on the Hoopsville Hotline presented by BlueFrame Technology.

And don't forget to interact with the Dave and guests. You can use the social media option to the right and even email (dave.mchugh@d3sports.com) questions to the show.


When it comes to the game of basketball, we love celebrating not only the student-athletes in Division III, but also those who help carry the game forward sometimes outside of the spotlight.

Sunday on Hoopsville, we celebrate those who have made the game of basketball, especially at DIII, so great. Coaches who continue to excel in different parts of the country and programs who play for more than just themselves.

Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Thursday's Marathon Show in the following ways:
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- Facebook Live Simulcast: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
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All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.

If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to dave.mchugh@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options.

Hoopsville Marathon Schedule
Timing approximate and subject to change

























Time (ET)GuestSchool/Institution
12:20 p.m.Jim CalhounSt. Joseph's (Conn.) men's coach
12:40 p.m.Pat JuckemNo. 11 WashU men's coach
1:00 p.m.Brian MorehouseNo. 3 Hope women's coach
1:20 p.m.Lauren BusalacchiRipon women's coach
1:40 p.m.Ryan HylandJohn Jay men's coach
2:00 p.m.Dan DutcherNCAA VP for Division III
2:40 p.m.Karin HarveyMontclair State women's coach, Women's National Committee chair
3:00 p.m.Adrienne ShiblesNo. 2 Bowdoin women's coach
3:20 p.m.Kate PearsonCabrini women's coach
3:40 p.m.Matt GilbrideRPI men's coach
4:00 p.m.Sam AtkinsonGallaudet Associate AD for Comm., Men's National Committee Chair
4:20 p.m.Matt DonohueCatholic women's coach
4:40 p.m.Charles KatsiaficasPomona-Pitzer men's coach
5:00 p.m.Jon HerbrechtsmeyerNo. 5 Bethel women's coach
5:20 p.m.Chris CarideoWidener men's coach
5:40 p.m.Dave HixonAmherst men's coach (sabbatical)
6:00 p.m.Tricia CullopWBCA Board President, Toledo women's coach
6:20 p.m.Alex RicheyNo. 18 Oglethorpe women's coach
6:40 p.m.Jody MayAlbion men's coach
7:00 p.m.Dave MacedoNo. 18 Virginia Wesleyan men's coach
7:20 p.m.Melissa KuberkaSt. John Fisher women's coach
8:00 p.m.HOOPSVILLE HAPPY HOUR A gaggle of some of the shows friends - to be announced
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 31, 2020, 12:02:52 AM
Friday in the UAA is almost here...

Emory at Chicago
Eagles over the Maroons, 86-77

Case Western Reserve at Brandeis
Judges over the Spartans, 74-65

Carnegie Mellon at NYU
Tartans over the Violets, 77-76

Rochester at Washington University
Bears over the Yellowjackets, 67-63

Last season, Washington University handed Rochester their worst game of the season and a few weeks later, Rochester repaid the favor.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 31, 2020, 09:48:06 PM
Washington University leads Rochester at the half, 37-35.

The Bears have Hardy and Nester back but Coach Juckem is easing them back in.

Love the play of our first year bigs so far.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ScottieSuit on January 31, 2020, 10:13:33 PM
CMU defeats NYU 84-71.

CMU senior Colin McNeil ties Rusty Loyd of Chicago (vs. Brandeis, 1/19/97)  for the UAA record for assists in a game with 17.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 31, 2020, 11:59:30 PM
Washington University defeats Rochester, 76-66 to improve to 6-0 in league play.

The Bears have a one-game lead over Emory (5-1) and Brandeis (5-1) who both registered nice wins tonight.  Rochester falls to 3-3 and though they have the other three teams at home on the schedule, the Yellowjackets are probably out of contention for the UAA championship.

As for the game tonight, Rochester started off strong and had a 10-2 lead just four minutes in to the contest.  The Bears would fight their way back to a two-point lead at the half.  Rochester quickly regained the lead again in the second and held it for most of the half.  The Bear would tie the game at the five-minute mark and then slowly build on a lead that they would hold thanks in part to 80% free throw shooting.

DeVaughn Rucker is playing so well and did it again tonight.  Hardy was back and finished with 17 points and some key rebounds down the stretch.  Nolan finished with 13 which was enough to allow him to eclipse the 1,000 career point mark (congratulations Jack!).  Webb had 9 on 2-4 shooting from three-point range.

This game was going to come down to defense and the Bears looked good yet again.  Nice defense by Davet and Boehm against the more experienced post players for the Yellowjackets.

Emory comes to town on Sunday for what is now the biggest game of the season.  Emory brings a much different line-up (much shorter, much faster) and a much different style.  The Bears have to make the adjustments and figure out how to get out of the gates quickly while bringing the defense again.  And the subplot: battle of the Davet brothers.
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In other UAA games...

Emory over Chicago, 83-66
Brandeis over Case Western Reserve, 71-64.
Carnegie Mellon also got the win as mentioned
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 01, 2020, 12:18:40 PM
Sometimes I get it right.  Or, I'm really extremely lucky.

As I watched Patrick Benka light up the Bears to the tune of 21 points, I thought that he could be a one-man wrecking crew that could wreck their chances of remaining in sole possession of the UAA lead.

A timeout was taken by Rochester after Benka reached 21.  A good number to stick on if you're playing blackjack, but Benka certainly was looking for much more.  During the timeout, I said on the air that Benka's career high was 22 points...and if WashU couldn't hold him under that, then there would be a 3-way tie for the lead in the UAA at the end of the night (Brandeis had already won and Emory was leading at last report).

This was with 5:33 left in the 2nd half.  At that spot in the game, Benka was 8 for 11 overall and 5 for 7 from 3-point range. The odds were long for WashU holding Benka scoreless the rest of the way.

Benka did not score a single point for the rest of the game.  He was 0 for 2, after his airspace was taken away by Justin Hardy and DeVaughn Rucker; who took turns making Benka uncomfortable for the final 5:33.  Benka wasn't the only one who faced a lockdown; his Rochester teammates were 1 for 8 for the rest of the 2nd half.  As a result, the Bears' defense transformed a two-point deficit into a 10-point margin of victory.

Since the injuries began in late December at Fontbonne, the Bears had beaten long odds on their way to the top of the UAA standings.  In my opinion, the primary reason has been their defensive performances--especially in the last five minutes of the 2nd half of those games.  Some of my research for Sunday's WashU-Emory broadcast will be spent crunching those late-game numbers during WashU's six-game winning streak, to see if the numbers support the opinion.

As much as I have thoroughly enjoyed watching Jack Nolan join the 1,000-point club, and Rucker becoming an absolute tour de force on the court, I am having more fun watching WashU's defense pull the plug on opponents' brewing victory celebrations, in the final five minutes of games.  Can they do the same against visiting Emory on Sunday?  It will be a lot of fun to watch that high-noon (CST) duel...I heartily endorse putting that on your pre-Super Bowl watch list.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 02, 2020, 12:51:24 AM
Sundays in the UAA...

A quick reminder of the importance of the game in St. Louis. 

If Washington University wins, they improve to 7-0 with a two-game lead over Emory in advance of the road game in Atlanta and a one or two game lead over Brandeis (TBD).

If Emory wins, they improve to 6-1 for a tie for the lead in the UAA with Washington University and probably Brandeis.  Notably, Emory would then have the only road win over the other two.  Emory lost only two games at home over the past two seasons and only one at home this season.

Just looking at the Emory box score from Friday and the Eagles had 47 rebounds.  They had 47 in St. Louis last season.  Emory is averaging almost 5 more rebounds a game than anyone else in the league.  Washington University had 31 on Friday against Rochester.  Rebounding is definitely a key to a win for either team.
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As for those games...

Rochester at Chicago
Yellowjackets over the Maroons, 69-66

Carnegie Mellon at Brandeis
Judges over the Tartans, 77-66

Case Western Reserve at NYU
Violets are favored to win for the first time this season, 73-71

Emory at Washington University
Eagles over the Bears, 82-78
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 02, 2020, 11:27:27 AM
Another game day in Waltham.  I am at Auerbach Arena, where the visiting CMU fans are starting to arrive.  Light crowd so far-- typical for a Sunday morning.  Brandeis just sent out a tweet as to tipoff time today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 02, 2020, 01:34:35 PM
Final on our scoreboard is Brandeis 87, CMU 68.  That is indeed the true final score.

Live stats had Brandeis 85-70.

Either way, Brandeis is now 6-1 in the UAA; best first half UAA start in program history.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 02, 2020, 01:38:35 PM
Emory leads Washington University at the half, 37-31.

Three pointers are hard to come by today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 02, 2020, 01:41:18 PM
CWRU defeated NYU today, 85-77.

NYU now 0-7 in the UAA.

Rochester defeated Chicago, 64-59.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 02, 2020, 02:39:21 PM
Emory defeats Washington University, 80-67.

Three way tie for the UAA.

Lots of good shots but nothing was falling. The Bears shot 6-31 from three point range.  Lots of good looks around the rim but...

I'll let Jay Murry write the game narrative from now on.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 03, 2020, 01:13:50 AM
Just looking at the box scores and dang...

The Central region travel partners could not buy a bucket from the perimeter today.

Washington University was 6-31 (19%) and all but 2-3 were quality looks.  They had only shot below 30% once this season (excluding the exhibition) and had been shooting an average of 40% in the previous league games.

Chicago was 5-28 (17.9%), but they have been hot and cold from the perimeter so this is a little less surprising.  Chicago is 7-11 and needs to win at Rochester or Emory to have a chance at avoiding a losing record.

Incidentally, both teams shot above 80% from the line.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 03, 2020, 01:18:33 AM
Not much to write about today's game...other than to say that Emory's defensive display was the best I have seen from the Eagles.  Granted, I don't get to see them much, so there may be other such performances that I am missing.  Emory contested nearly every shot and made every pass extremely difficult to complete.  Kudos to Coach Zimmerman, his staff, and his players for an exceptional performance!

WUPHF, feel free to write whatever you want to write.  My commentary is not meant to parrot yours, or to nudge yours out of the way.  I have always thought that two perspectives are better than one, especially since you get to see more basketball than I do.  I have never, ever intended to be the de facto WashU spokesperson on this message board. 

You be you.  You write here.

In the next two weeks and beyond, I am going to be ramping up my efforts to get a Rett syndrome fundraising project off the ground for later in 2020.  I will probably not be able to watch the Bears much, as they hit the road.  I certainly won't have the time to write here...for the project also involves an increase in my running regimen to train for an ultra marathon event in October.  My planner also tells me that I have an unrelated writing assignment elsewhere to start and finish in the upcoming week.

So, I'l be gone from the board for a while, out of necessity. 


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 03, 2020, 04:45:25 AM
Road record in UAA games--

Wash U-- 2-0 in UAA road games

5 road games left--

1.). At Rochester-- 2/7
2.). At Emory-- 2/9
3.). At Brandeis-- 2/21
4.). At NYU-- 2/23
5.). At Chicago-- 2/29

Emory-- 3-1 in UAA road games

3 road games left

1.). At Carnegie Mellon-- 2/21
2.). At Case Western Reserve -- 2/23
3.). At Rochester-- 2/29

Brandeis-- 2-1 in UAA road games

4 road games left

1.). At Case Western Reserve -- 2/7
2.). At Carnegie Mellon-- 2/9
3.). At Rochester-- 2/14
4.). At Emory-- 2/16

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 04, 2020, 09:34:33 AM
One of the more interesting stories from league play and one that I did not pay attention to until Sunday is the emergence of Mason Johnson, the only Emory sophomore who played limited minutes last season.

Johnson had a good game against Pfeiffer scoring 15 earlier this season and then went quiet.  He then scored in double figures over the last four games including 14 at Chicago and 14 at Washington University, going 6-10 and 6-9.

Johnson was credited with two assists which surely would have been higher had WUSTL double-teamed him more. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2020, 06:18:02 AM
This weekend, CWRU is having its annual Throwback Weekend, and will play their home games at Adelbert Gymnasium.

As is tradition, the CWRU men and women will be competing in their throwback uniforms.  The CWRU women will compete wearing the uniforms of Mather College.

As for the CWRU men--

Friday, Feb. 7-- CWRU will wear the Western Reserve Red Cats uniforms vs Brandeis.

Sunday, Feb. 9-- CWRU will wear the CIT (Case Tech) Rough Riders uniforms vs NYU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 05, 2020, 12:36:30 PM
Carnegie Mellon was once two or three institutions if I remember right.

They should do something similar.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 05, 2020, 12:45:27 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 05, 2020, 12:36:30 PM
Carnegie Mellon was once two or three institutions if I remember right.

They should do something similar.

I don't think the Mellon Institute of Industrial Research ever had a basketball team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 05, 2020, 02:27:51 PM
In the early part of the 20th century, well...

They could go with one throwback day and wear a Carnegie Tech "Scots" jersey.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 06, 2020, 05:37:29 AM
Earlier this week, Emory University was named as NABC DIII Men's Basketball Team of the Week for games played Jan. 27 to Feb. 2.  Congrats on the honor.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 06, 2020, 03:55:08 PM
Friday in the UAA is almost here.

The UAA conference has moved back to No. 2 in the Massey Ratings after the WIAC. 

The UAA had ranked No. 2 for a week or two over Winter Break.

NYU at Carnegie Mellon
Tartans over the Violets, 81-74

Brandeis at Case Western Reserve
Judges over the Spartans, 72-68

Washington University at Rochester
Yellowjackets over the Bears, 66-64

Chicago at Emory
Eagles over the Maroons, 87-71
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on February 06, 2020, 11:00:18 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 06, 2020, 03:55:08 PM
Friday in the UAA is almost here.

The UAA conference has moved back to No. 2 in the Massey Ratings after the WIAC. 

The UAA had ranked No. 2 for a week or two over Winter Break.


The UAA also has the top winning percentage against Non conference D3 schools at .713..... NESCAC at .710, WIAC 3rd at .687
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 07, 2020, 11:02:58 AM
Quote from: hopefan on February 06, 2020, 11:00:18 PM
The UAA also has the top winning percentage against Non conference D3 schools at .713..... NESCAC at .710, WIAC 3rd at .687

That is interesting, thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2020, 08:49:53 PM
Halftime scores of Friday games--

CWRU (Western Reserve Red Cats) 39, Brandeis 31

Carnegie Mellon 44, NYU 40

Chicago 36, Emory 35

Wash U 30, Rochester 28
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 07, 2020, 08:55:32 PM
Washington University had 10 turnovers in that first half.  7 travel violations.  1 dribble off the leg.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2020, 09:17:57 PM
With 13:54 left in regulation, Eric D'Aguanno of Brandeis has tied Derek Retos '14 (currently a Tufts asst coach) with 231 made 3's in career-- #1 in Brandeis program history.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 07, 2020, 09:33:12 PM
Chicago upsets Emory! Holy cow!

One of the crazier finishes I have seen.

Chicago was up 80-71 before fouling a perimeter shooter who proceeded to make three.  Then Emory blocked the inbounds pass which landed on the foot of the Chicago inbounder.  Emory gets the ball back.  Then Chicago fouled the perimeter shoot again who proceeded to make three shots.

Chicago would finish the game 84-76.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on February 07, 2020, 09:35:32 PM
Chicago Beats Emory....  :o :o :o
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Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2020, 09:39:00 PM
NYU gets their first conference win of the season, defeating Carnegie Mellon 80-79.
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Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2020, 09:41:56 PM
Eric D'Aguanno has just set the Brandeis program record for most 3's made with the 232nd made 3 of his career with 3:10 remaining in regulation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 07, 2020, 09:42:12 PM
Washington University defeats Rochester, 69-61 in a defensive slog.

Rochester had one of the worst three-point shooting performances ever. 4-22 for the perimeter, but they were 1-19 until the final minute.

DeVaughn Rucker had two of the best dunks I have ever seen in Division III.

Washington University has a one-game lead over Emory with the Brandeis game yet to be determined.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 07, 2020, 09:51:57 PM
Case Western Reserve defeats Brandeis for the upset, 84-76.

Washington University regains the one game lead over Emory and Brandeis.

An absolutely crazy Friday night.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2020, 10:01:28 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 07, 2020, 09:51:57 PM
Case Western Reserve defeats Brandeis for the upset, 84-76.

Washington University regains the one game lead over Emory and Brandeis.

An absolutely crazy Friday night.

Give credit to CWRU (Western Reserve Red Cats) this evening.  They came out strong in the first half and pounded the ball inside as well as played some excellent defense.  Did not give up in the second half.  Only great thing for me was watching Eric D'Aguanno move past Derek Retos for most 3's made by a Brandeis Judge over a college career.

On to Sunday....
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Post by: blue_jays on February 07, 2020, 10:03:01 PM
Quote from: hopefan on February 07, 2020, 09:35:32 PM
Chicago Beats Emory....  :o :o :o

Not a huge shock when the Maroons have beaten the Eagles 3 of the last 4.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on February 07, 2020, 10:19:24 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on February 07, 2020, 10:03:01 PM
Quote from: hopefan on February 07, 2020, 09:35:32 PM
Chicago Beats Emory....  :o :o :o

Not a huge shock when the Maroons have beaten the Eagles 3 of the last 4.

let's see... Emory won at Chicago 83-66 10 days ago...Chicago enters the game 7-11 overall, 2-5 in conf... Emory enters 16-2 overall, 6-1 in conf.... the wins by Chicago occurred last season... then Chicago wins at Emory......sounds like a Huge shock  :o :o :o to me... ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 07, 2020, 10:22:18 PM
I agree, this was a big upset.

This is the worst Chicago team in a long time by record.

I like this team, but they were 7-11 going in to this game.

They are the second worst team in the league according to Ken Massey.  Massey had given the Maroons just an 8% chance of a victory.

But I watched parts and Chicago looked very good, led by Brendan McDaniel in front of the home crowd and freshman Bryce Hopkins.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 07, 2020, 10:24:08 PM
Also, I will give a lot of credit to Case Western Reserve.

I would not have been surprised for Case, Chicago, or Rochester to win, but two upsets...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 08, 2020, 10:53:11 AM
By the way, NYU finished with an upset over Carnegie Mellon, 80-79, so three upsets.

Here are the latest UAA standings with yet another big game to be played on Sunday in Atlanta.

7-1 Washington University
6-2 Brandeis
6-2 Emory
4-4 Rochester
3-5 Case Western Reserve
3-5 Chicago
2-6 Carnegie Mellon
1-7 NYU
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 09, 2020, 08:31:33 AM
Sunday in the UAA...

A win by Emory today would give them the tiebreaker over WUSTL with Brandeis still to play in Atlanta.

A win by Washington University would give them a two-game lead over Emory and a 1-2 game lead over Brandeis.

Brandeis at Carnegie Mellon.

NYU at Case Western Reserve

Washington University at Emory

Chicago at Rochester
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Post by: deiscanton on February 09, 2020, 12:37:27 PM
Halftime scores of Sunday games--

Carnegie Mellon 36, Brandeis 29

Chicago 29, Rochester 28

CWRU vs NYU is at halftime, but live stats were not updated.  Last live stats had CWRU leading 47-22 with 48 seconds remaining in first half.

Wash U 41, Emory 33
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 09, 2020, 12:44:18 PM
Washington University leads Emory at the half, 41-33.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 09, 2020, 01:28:35 PM
Finals from Sunday games--

1.) CWRU (Case Tech Rough Riders) 90, NYU 60

2.) Chicago 68, Rochester 48

3.)  Brandeis 77, Carnegie Mellon 70

4.)  Emory 73, Wash U 68

We have a three way tie for first in the UAA with Emory, Brandeis, and Wash U at 7-2 in the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 09, 2020, 01:52:14 PM
Emory defeats Washington University, 73-68.

The Eagles played a tough second half, defending the paint and converting critical three-pointers and free-throws down the stretch.

The Eagles are again tied for first and hold the critical tiebreaker over WUSTL.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue_jays on February 09, 2020, 02:24:57 PM
Quote from: hopefan on February 07, 2020, 10:19:24 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on February 07, 2020, 10:03:01 PM
Quote from: hopefan on February 07, 2020, 09:35:32 PM
Chicago Beats Emory....  :o :o :o

Not a huge shock when the Maroons have beaten the Eagles 3 of the last 4.

let's see... Emory won at Chicago 83-66 10 days ago...Chicago enters the game 7-11 overall, 2-5 in conf... Emory enters 16-2 overall, 6-1 in conf.... the wins by Chicago occurred last season... then Chicago wins at Emory......sounds like a Huge shock  :o :o :o to me... ;) ;) ;)

This is conference play and UChicago has played a ton of good teams in those losses this year, and played them close. This isn't NYU who doesn't play anyone.
Emory isn't as good as their record. I don't think they have the star power this year to carry them when they're not hitting 3s. Williams shot terribly in the two games against the Maroons. Emory's style is a double-edged sword for them, and I've seen them better in past years.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue_jays on February 09, 2020, 02:28:00 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on February 09, 2020, 02:24:57 PM
Quote from: hopefan on February 07, 2020, 10:19:24 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on February 07, 2020, 10:03:01 PM
Quote from: hopefan on February 07, 2020, 09:35:32 PM
Chicago Beats Emory....  :o :o :o

Not a huge shock when the Maroons have beaten the Eagles 3 of the last 4.

let's see... Emory won at Chicago 83-66 10 days ago...Chicago enters the game 7-11 overall, 2-5 in conf... Emory enters 16-2 overall, 6-1 in conf.... the wins by Chicago occurred last season... then Chicago wins at Emory......sounds like a Huge shock  :o :o :o to me... ;) ;) ;)

This is conference play and UChicago has played a ton of good teams in those losses this year, and played them close. This isn't NYU who doesn't play anyone.
Emory isn't as good as their record. I don't think they have the star power this year to carry them when they're not hitting 3s. Williams shot terribly in the two games against the Maroons. Emory's style is a double-edged sword for them, and I've seen them better in past years.

Upset, yes. HUGE upset? Nah. UChicago couldn't have had more go wrong in that loss last week. But when you turn around and play the same team 1 week later? It can easily go the other way. Basketball is about matchups, not records.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 09, 2020, 06:20:34 PM
Emory currently has tiebreaker advantage for AQ based on head to head among co-leaders:

Emory is 2-1 v. Wash U and Brandeis.

Brandeis is 1-1 v. Emory and Wash U.

Wash U is 1-2 vs Brandeis and Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 10, 2020, 04:03:39 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on February 09, 2020, 02:28:00 PM
UChicago couldn't have had more go wrong in that loss last week. But when you turn around and play the same team 1 week later? It can easily go the other way. Basketball is about matchups, not records.

I guess I could get on board with the idea that for most years, there is no such thing as a huge upset in league play.

No individual result will surprise me this season but two or three results on the same day...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 11, 2020, 02:52:15 PM
I was hoping that Jack Nolan would be the Athlete of the Week this week.

Nolan had slightly better overall numbers than Cole Schmitz and had completely locked down Romin Williams on Sunday.  Nolan scored 30 points while holding Williams to just two made field goals in 33 minutes of play.  Easily one of the 10 best college games he has ever played.

But Schmitz is having a great season and was a big part of both wins, so I guess you gotta go with the wins.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 14, 2020, 12:46:09 AM
It is hard to believe but there are only two Fridays left in league play.

Carnegie Mellon at Chicago
Maroons over the Tartans, 83-76

Case Western Reserve at Washington University
Bears over the Spartans, 80-67

NYU at Emory
Eagles over the Violets, 91-70

Brandeis at Rochester
Yellowjackets over the Judges, 63-59

Just a few random thoughts...

Freshman Cole Frilling leads all players in points per game in conference play, scoring over 18 points per game, shooting 55% from the field along with 47% and 83%.  Frilling is running away with the newcomer of the year award.

Case Western Reserve is 4-5 in conference play, but they are on a three-game winning streak.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3RetiredHooper on February 14, 2020, 03:52:49 PM
Basically a must win tonight for Rochester. Need another quality win on their resume for Pool C considerations.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 14, 2020, 04:15:26 PM
Quote from: D3RetiredHooper on February 14, 2020, 03:52:49 PM
Basically a must win tonight for Rochester. Need another quality win on their resume for Pool C considerations.

As a Brandeis fan, I am not secure about the Pool C chances for my team at this stage either.  This road weekend also involves a 2 to 2 1/2 hour flight to Atlanta tomorrow from western NY for a tough Sunday match at Emory.  I would love for Rochester to be knocked out tonight by my team even if it means losing Rochester's regional ranking next week.  I wil be listening to JC DeLass live on my Fire tablet tonight.

At this stage, I believe that Wash U has the best Pool C resume of the regionally ranked UAA teams, followed by Emory.

PS-- Brandeis wins UAA if Judges go 5-0 starting tonight.  Won't be easy.



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 14, 2020, 08:23:11 PM
Lawrence Sabir is back in action for Brandeis -- coming off the bench for his first UAA appearance of the season. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 14, 2020, 08:32:23 PM
Key players for Brandeis in foul trouble with 2 fouls in the half, forcing an all hands on deck situation with all 12 Brandeis players seeing minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 14, 2020, 08:42:57 PM
Halftime of early games--

Rochester 33, Brandeis 29

Emory 50, NYU 34
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 14, 2020, 09:31:20 PM
Rochester seems like they will survive with 6 minutes to go.  Big 16 pt lead over Brandeis, which will force Brandeis into a must win either on Sunday or next Friday.

Chandler Jones has fouled out.

Rochester still has to win out to get a Pool C bid, but Rochester can win the next three games before the final home game vs Emory.

Brandeis needs to win Sunday to stay alive in the UAA title hunt.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 14, 2020, 09:34:03 PM
Case Western Reserve leads Washington University at the half, 43-39.

The Bears got out to a double digit lead before the Spartans came roaring back.

Monty Khela is back too.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 14, 2020, 09:36:48 PM
The other halftime score in the Midwest is:

Carnegie Mellon 44, Chicago 29
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 14, 2020, 09:41:55 PM
Final scores from the early games --

Emory 99, NYU 81

Rochester 80, Brandeis 65



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 14, 2020, 10:29:34 PM
Final scores from the Midwest games--

Wash U 77, CWRU 71

Emory and Wash U tied for first at 8-2 in UAA.

Emory has tiebreaker advantage for AQ based on 2-0 head to head vs Wash U.

Carnegie Mellon 84, Chicago 73.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 14, 2020, 11:29:34 PM
Talk about a nail biter...

Washington University destroyed Case Western Reserve in Cleveland and it looked like it would be more of that tonight before the Spartans turned it around. This was a game until the final minute when Nolan nailed a three-pointer from the corner with 0:40 to give the Bears a 75-71 lead.

The good: a win.

The bad: far too many turnovers relative to the quality of the play in league play and that continued tonight.  16 turnovers tonight with a few that were inexcusable. 

The ugly: injury issues continue.
__________

Just looking at the Carnegie Mellon at Chicago box score.  No Jordan Baum for Chicago.  Hard to imagine that they win that game without him.  Trent Suddeth went off for 18 points and 14 rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 15, 2020, 11:13:29 PM
Thinking about Sunday in the UAA...

Case Western Reserve at Chicago
Maroons over Spartans, 77-71

Brandeis at Emory
Eagles over Judges, 80-71

NYU at Rochester
Yellowjackets over Violets, 72-58

Carnegie Mellon at Washington University
Bears over Tartans, 84-70
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2020, 11:52:35 AM
Senior Day ceremonies at the Emory vs Brandeis game are complete.

Ball tipped at 11:52 AM in Atlanta.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 16, 2020, 11:58:07 AM
Senior Day! Emory for the record loses just one senior who has played in just a handful of games.
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Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2020, 12:11:47 PM
Ball tipped at 12:09 PM Eastern In Rochester, NY for the second of the early games.
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Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2020, 12:25:33 PM
Halftime in early games--

Brandeis 37, Emory 32 Game went to half at 12:25 PM Eastern.

Rochester 39, NYU 28. Game went to half at 12:42 PM Eastern.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2020, 12:48:46 PM
Emory on a 14-0 run to open the second half with 4 treys and 2 FTs made.

Brandeis has not scored yet in the second half. 

15:59 left in regulation.

Lawrence Sabir finally scores with a 2 pt FG and a made FT, but Romin Wiliams fires back with a 3 and Mason Johnson follows with a deuce.

Emory leads 53-42 with 14:24 remaining.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2020, 01:00:17 PM
Emory now pouring it on-- up 65-49 with 11:39 remaining. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2020, 01:28:11 PM
Finals from early games--

Emory 93, Brandeis 65 Game ended at 1:27 PM Eastern.

Rochester 72, NYU 64

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2020, 01:36:19 PM
Halftime in Midwest games--

Chicago 37, CWRU 29. Half at 12:35 PM Central.

Wash U 45, Carnegie Mellon 30
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2020, 02:29:06 PM
Finals in Midwest games--

Chicago 80, CWRU 61

Wash U 99, Carnegie Mellon 68

Emory and Wash U now tied at 9-2 in UAA.

Emory holds tiebreaker advantage for AQ by virtue to 2-0 head to head vs Wash U.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 16, 2020, 05:41:14 PM
The Bears had a game on Senior Day.

Jonathan Arenas and Louis Reinmiller were awarded the 110% award and both would play very well today.  Arenas matched a career high in scoring and finished with 7 rebounds and 4 assists.  DeVaughn Rucker led all scorers with 17 points on 8-10 shooting.

One of the better games the Bears have played this season in terms of passing and protecting the ball.

Correction: Rucker and Justin Hardy both finished with 17 points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 17, 2020, 01:37:12 PM
Brandeis and Rochester are now in must win out all the remaining game situations to keep their hopes for a Pool C bid alive.

Even though both Brandeis basketball teams are still ECAC members and by virtue of their winning records are eligible for the ECAC tournament, I do not expect Brandeis to file ECAC declarations on either side based on what I saw with the men playing in an empty gym in Maryland for the final 3 ECAC games last season, and by preference of the women's basketball staff to use that time to check out high school talent for next year's potential first year players-- as expressed to me privately last year when the Brandeis men were playing for the ECAC title.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 17, 2020, 03:37:47 PM
For people who are going to Friday's Chicago at NYU doubleheader in person, those games will be played at the Goldstein Fitness Center at Pace University's Westchester Campus in Pleasantville, NY.  The gym is about 30 miles north of Manhattan, and is about an hour's drive from NYU.

The CUNYAC basketball tournaments start this Saturday, so Hunter reserves the Sportsplex exclusively for their own teams to practice the day before.

Sunday's NYU Senior Day games will be back at the Hunter Sportsplex.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 17, 2020, 05:42:12 PM
Brandeis home games can now be watched live on a smart TV if you have Apple TV or Roku.  Download the Boxcast app and look for the Brandeis logo.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 17, 2020, 08:43:39 PM
DeVaughn Rucker was named the UAA athlete of the week this week along with Senior Kristina Schmelter.

I think Rucker has locked up the UAA defensive player of the year accolades and is in serious contention for player of the year.  He is one of 4-5 candidates worthy of consideration. 

There is seriously no one else like Rucker in the league.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 17, 2020, 08:55:52 PM
Rucker shares the honor of being co-Men's Basketball Athlete of the Week with Lawrence Rowley of Emory for this week.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2020, 08:11:29 AM
Just a little bit of my speculation of where I may see Brandeis and Rochester in the upcoming regional rankings this week:

1.). I expect Rochester to improve in the East Region by 2 positions.  Rochester now has results vs RRO to place in the data (2-6 with 1 of those wins happening last Friday, which they needed to stay alive in the hunt for a Pool C bid.  Rochester's SOS is very high, while the winning pct improved to .682.

2.). Brandeis may drop a position or two in the Northeast, but I don't expect Brandeis to completely drop out of those rankings, as the Northeast ranks 11 teams.  Brandeis's winning pct dropped to .682, but their SOS increased as a result of playing 2 regionally ranked opponents.  Brandeis went 0-2 last weekend, and now stands at 2-5 vs RRO.  The teams ranked below Brandeis in the Northeast did not play any regionally ranked opponents last week.  Everything starts from scratch, however, so Brandeis could still hold at #7 in Northeast on Wednesday.

However, I would not be surprised to see Amherst at #7 in NE this week, with Brandeis at #8 in NE based on Amherst's higher winning pct and their 3-2 vs RRO.

However, my opinion is that Brandeis and Rochester need to win out the rest of the way in order to be selected in Pool C.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2020, 12:52:08 PM
Carnegie Mellon has declared for the ECAC DIII Men's and Women's Basketball Tournaments.  Both teams will need to win out to become eligible for selection.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 18, 2020, 01:12:32 PM
You think Wash U and Emory are locks for Pool C (obviously one will probably get the AQ).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2020, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 18, 2020, 01:12:32 PM
You think Wash U and Emory are locks for Pool C (obviously one will probably get the AQ).

I believe that Wash U and Emory are safe right now as the UAA co-leaders in the one between Wash U and Emory which does not get the AQ will be in as a Pool C team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 18, 2020, 01:28:55 PM
Just thinking about basketball so I'll add a throw-away comment: Brandeis is the only other team that is still in the race, but they would need to go 3-0 and would need Washington University to go 0-3 over the final three games. 

I would check to see if Emory needs to go 1-2 or 0-3 for the tiebreaker, but there is no need.

Emory has three teams on the schedule that they beat by a combined 74 points. Emory. Sharpie.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2020, 01:40:47 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 18, 2020, 01:28:55 PM
Just thinking about basketball so I'll add a throw-away comment: Brandeis is the only other team that is still in the race, but they would need to go 3-0 and would need Washington University go 0-3 during the same stretch. 

I would check to see if Emory needs to go 1-2 or 0-3 for the tiebreaker, but there is no need.

Emory has three teams on the schedule that they beat by a combined 74 points. Emory. Sharpie.

Mathematically, Brandeis is still in the UAA title hunt.  Realistically, Brandeis is 2 games out with 3 to play and probably needs to go the Pool C route.

With Emory exploding for a 61 point second half vs Brandeis on Sunday, the race is Emory's to lose.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 18, 2020, 01:47:18 PM
Yes, Brandeis is still in as I said.

But there is no way in hell that is happening.

Brandeis has had a great season though so I definitely do not want to take anything away from them.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 01:12:04 PM
Week 2's Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2020, 01:55:51 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 01:12:04 PM
Week 2's Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-second

Brandeis is at #9 in the Northeast this week, with St. Joe's (CT) and Amherst at #7 and #8 respectively.

Rochester moved up to #4 in East.

Emory and Wash U hold their positions at #1 in South and #2 in Central respectively
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2020, 02:25:23 PM
I just talked with Brandeis Sports Info about Brandeis's future in the ECAC since I did not see the soccer teams declare for ECAC's last fall, nor is Brandeis currently on the basketball list. 

According to what I heard on my call today, the new Brandeis athletic director has decided to pull Brandeis out of the ECAC effective at the end of this academic year, and have no Brandeis teams declare for ECACs in any sport this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 02:28:03 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 19, 2020, 02:25:23 PM
I just talked with Brandeis Sports Info about Brandeis's future in the ECAC since I did not see the soccer teams declare for ECAC's last fall, nor is Brandeis currently on the basketball list. 

According to what I heard on my call today, the new Brandeis athletic director has decided to pull Brandeis out of the ECAC effective at the end of this academic year, and have no Brandeis teams declare for ECACs in any sport this year.

That isn't a new thing for a lot of schools that used to be involved with the ECAC. It is a lot of money to participate in something that, IMO, doesn't get the programs very much in return. They have to pay a fee (now per sport; still exists per year) to participate, but that doesn't cover costs of either travel or hosting.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2020, 02:33:36 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 18, 2020, 12:52:08 PM
Carnegie Mellon has declared for the ECAC DIII Men's and Women's Basketball Tournaments.  Both teams will need to win out to become eligible for selection.

Update for clarification-- Carnegie Mellon only needs 2 more wins to be eligible for the ECAC Men's Basketball Tournament, since 1 of their 12 losses was to a DII team.  Carnegie Mellon men are 10-11 vs D3 opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 21, 2020, 09:52:06 AM
Last Friday in the UAA...

Emory at Carnegie Mellon
Eagles over the Tartans, 92-79

Rochester at Case Western Reserve
Yellowjackets over the Spartans, 69-66

Washington University at Brandeis
Bears over the Judges, 69-66

Chicago at NYU
Maroons over the Judges, 76-68

As the Ken Massey predictions suggest, three of these games should be great games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2020, 11:37:37 AM
I'm not sure Rochester has much hope if they lose,  that will just be too many losses,  even if most of them are to very good teams.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 21, 2020, 01:31:23 PM
Yeah, I was looking earlier at the Drew Pasteur predictions which includes anticipated results through the end of the season if I understand correctly so I assume that includes a loss to Emory.

Rochester is at home for the final three games and they did go 2-0 on the road against Case Western Reserve and Carnegie Mellon.

Last 4 in
+0.4 (C12) Wooster (17-6/739/560/4-3)
+0.2 (C13) Babson (19-4/826/509/3-2)
+0.2 (C14) UW-Eau Claire (17-6/739/569/2-5)
+0.0 (C15) Virginia Wesleyan (18-4/818/522/2-1)

Bubble-out
-0.1 (C16) UW-Oshkosh (15-8/652/613/3-5)
-0.1 St. Joseph (Conn.) (19-2/905/504/1-1)
-0.1 Albion (19-4/826/533/0-2)
-0.1 (C17) York (Pa.) (19-5/792/531/1-4)
-0.5 (C18) Whitworth (19-4/826/506/1-2)

Also out
-0.9 (C19) Brandeis (15-7/682/559/2-5)
-0.9 (C20) Rochester (15-7/682/596/2-6)

-0.9 (C21) UW-L (18-5/783/532/1-4)
-1.0 (C22) Amherst (17-7/708/544/3-2)
-1.1 (C23) SUNY Potsdam (18-4/818/506/2-4)
-1.1 (C24) SUNY Oneonta (17-5/773/508/3-3)
-1.3 TCNJ (16-8/667/543/2-5)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 21, 2020, 02:53:44 PM
Sorry, but Emory and Rochester are on the road this weekend.  Both teams finished up a 4 game homestand last weekend.  Rochester is at CWRU tonight, while Emory is at Carnegie Mellon.

Brandeis has the final 3 games at home, starting tonight against Wash U.  I am now on the Brandeis campus waiting to see Chris Mitchell.  There may be a Facebook Live segment with Chris and myself tonight.  Stay tuned.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 21, 2020, 03:11:50 PM
Oh yeah, I had it right in the post from earlier today and then, well...

Honest mistake.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 21, 2020, 08:43:58 PM
Brandeis leads Washington University at the half, 38-34.

In other games...

Chicago leads NYU, 33-21.
Emory leads Carnegie Mellon, 55-40
Rochester leads Case Western Reserve, 39-31.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 21, 2020, 09:47:40 PM
Washington University defeats Brandeis, 77-70.

DeVaughn Rucker for UAA Player of the Year!  Rucker plays through an injury to register 25 points and 7 rebounds.  Nolan was just behind with 24 points.

The Bears nearly coughed up a double-digit lead, but the Judges could get no closer than 5 after leading at the half.

Emory defeats Carnegie Mellon, 98-86.

Rochester and Case Western Reserve are going to OT.
The Spartans had two shots at the line with 2.0 seconds left with a chance for the win.

Chicago defeats NYU, 69-59.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 21, 2020, 10:01:01 PM
Brandeis and Rochester both go down after Case Western Reserve gets the 88-87 over time win.  Looks like a two-bid league this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on February 21, 2020, 10:40:13 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 21, 2020, 10:01:01 PM
Brandeis and Rochester both go down after Case Western Reserve gets the 88-87 over time win.  Looks like a two-bid league this season.

Agree.  Brandeis and Rochester are both now on the wrong side of the bubble.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 21, 2020, 11:24:12 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 21, 2020, 10:01:01 PM
Brandeis and Rochester both go down after Case Western Reserve gets the 88-87 over time win.  Looks like a two-bid league this season.

I concur as well.  Congrats to Wash U and Emory, and hopefully they both can share the UAA hardware as co-champions.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 22, 2020, 06:18:43 AM
NYU dressed 8 players for last night's game.  One of them, Michael Min, left the game due to injury 1 minute after coming off the bench in the first half vs Chicago.

The NYU men are now down to 7 active players right now for the Wash U and Brandeis games due to injuries sustained over the season.

The Chicago at NYU doubleheader is archived on the NE10 Now app and can watched on-demand (for now,anyway) on a smart TV through Roku.  Pace Univ is part of the NE10.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 22, 2020, 08:26:06 AM
As Pat Coleman mentioned on Twitter last night, Emory has tiebreaker advantage for AQ based on a 2-0 head to head sweep vs co-leader Wash U.

Match Sunday to watch will be Emory at CWRU.  If CWRU beats Emory on Sunday, then Wash U most likely takes sole possession of first place.

An Emory win means that Emory and Wash U most likely remain co-leaders going to the final day on Feb. 29.

Emory can only clinch the AQ tomorrow with a win at CWRU and a 7 man NYU team pulling off the shocker of the season vs Wash U.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 23, 2020, 11:10:05 AM
Our last game Sunday game day of the season.

It all goes by so fast.

Emory and Washington University have the closest thing they have had to trap games today.  Not sure if there is such a thing, but if there is, then we have two today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 23, 2020, 12:40:27 PM
Case Western Reserve leads Emory at the half, 47-39 behind a big first half by Monty Khela.

Washington University leads NYU, 36-35.

Chicago leads Brandeis, 39-32.

Carnegie Mellon leads Rochester, 37-36.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 23, 2020, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 23, 2020, 11:10:05 AM
Our last game Sunday game day of the season.

It all goes by so fast.

Emory and Washington University have the closest thing they have had to trap games today.  Not sure if there is such a thing, but if there is, then we have two today.

I don't understand this comment, trap game, for them. They play two 6-6 teams to end the season. Granted, CWR and NYU are worse, but it's not like Wash U and Emory play each other on the last day.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 23, 2020, 01:18:01 PM
That is an understandable...

My take: final Sunday game with a co-championships on the line against the designated rival next week.  I generally try to avoid the throw out the record books cliche, but Chicago has a history of defeating ranked Washington University teams and the Bears have returned the favor a few times...

Also, that is why I said closet thing to a trap game.

By the way, Case Western Reserve leads Emory, 76-69 with 4 minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 23, 2020, 01:37:52 PM
Emory goes down! Case Western Reserve defeats Emory, 83-78.

Monty Khela celebrates senior day with a 30 point performance.

Ron Jantz says that it was the most exciting game he has ever called.

Washington University leads the league thanks to an 82-62 win over NYU.  The Bears can win the UAA outright with a win in Chicago next weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 23, 2020, 01:55:09 PM
Carnegie Mellon and Rochester go to overtime...

Kailan Lee gets the go-ahead fade away jumper to fall and Rochester gets the 82-81 win.
__________

Chicago and Brandeis are going to second overtime thanks to some late game heroics by the Maroons.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2020, 01:56:26 PM
Brandeis and Chicago tied at 91 with 2:18 left in 2nd OT period.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2020, 02:12:53 PM
Brandeis 101, Chicago 95 Final 2 OT.

No way the National Committee takes away Brandeis's regional ranking now.  I can take Brandeis at #11 in Northeast if no Pool C bid possible.

Results vs common opponents WPI and Tufts being a factor in comparing the resumes of Brandeis vs the resumes of NE College and Albertus Magnus, I can see why Brandeis did not get regionally ranked in the end. 😅
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 23, 2020, 02:24:49 PM
It looked like we may have three upsets in UAA play, lots of credit to Brandeis and Rochester.

For what it is worth, the Matt Snyder regional rankings have Brandeis at No. 10.  Rochester at No. 2.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2020, 05:59:38 PM
I brought my smartphone and a mobile Wi-Fi hotspot which I turned on so as not to use up smartphone data for video streaming.

In the first half of the Brandeis men's game, I also.streamed the CWRU v.Emory game on the smartphone with the smartphone connected to the wifi hotspot. 

BTW, congrats to Eric D'Aguanno of Brandeis and Matt Davet of Emory on scoring their 1000th career point this afternoon. 

With CWRU leading over Emory throughout the game, I left the stands to watch the CWRU v Emory game on the phone from the Napoli Trophy Room, which has a window from which I can watch the Brandeis scoreboard.  I went to the trophy room only after Eric D'Aguanno hit the 1000 pt. milestone.

Thank goodness the Brandeis game went to double OT today.  I was able to watch the finish of both the CWRU/Emory game and the Wash U/NYU game before returning to the court to cheer on the Brandeis men in the overtime periods.

Brandeis has clinched third place in the UAA, with the worst case scenario being that Brandeis and Rochester would finish tied for third place.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2020, 06:47:12 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 23, 2020, 02:12:53 PM
Brandeis 101, Chicago 95 Final 2 OT.

No way the National Committee takes away Brandeis's regional ranking now.  I can take Brandeis at #11 in Northeast if no Pool C bid possible.

Because they beat an unranked team? I don't agree. They very easily could lost their ranking.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2020, 07:05:44 PM
Brandeis's loss this week was a result vs a RRO in Wash U.  If Brandeis is to be penalized for another result vs a RRO to the extent that they drop out of the Northeast rankings entirely, so be it.  Rochester went 1-1 vs 2 opponents who were not regionally ranked, but the East Region is weaker than the Northeast Region on the whole.

All I am interested in asking for those who want to replace Brandeis in the Northeast is which team/teams could replace Brandeis in the Northeast?


I am retracting my previous statement above given the results vs common opponents being a deciding factor in the regional rankings.😅



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2020, 07:18:04 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 23, 2020, 07:05:44 PM
Brandeis's loss this week was a result vs a RRO in Wash U.  If Brandeis is to be penalized for another result vs a RRO to the extent that they drop out of the Northeast rankings entirely, so be it.  Rochester went 1-1 vs 2 opponents who were not regionally ranked, but the East Region is weaker than the Northeast Region on the whole.

All I am interested in asking for those who want to replace Brandeis in the Northeast is which team/teams could replace Brandeis in the Northeast?

They won't get penalized for another vRRO opponent, but they aren't going to be necessarily helped with a loss.

It doesn't work that you get bonus points for playing the game ... the number of games is nice, but the loss will stand out as well.

And as I said on Twitter ... it isn't necessarily about "replacing" anyone. The way everything works is all teams are removed from the rankings ... the slate is wiped clean ... and the committee get to work. They don't take last week's rankings and make adjustments ... they start fresh. So no one will "replace" anyone. They simply will be ranked accordingly.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2020, 08:00:09 PM
Technically, Dave is correct in that the rankings start from scratch.  Therefore, when looking at all 76 Northeast teams, the Northeast RAC-- with review of the National Committee would have to find 11 teams whose overall Pool C resumes are currently better than Brandeis in order for Brandeis not to be in the top 11 in the Northeast.  From a neutral perspective, that may be possible.

It is my emotion as a fan that led me to say "replaced."

However, the rankings to be released this week are the start of the definition of which teams are ranked for Pool C purposes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 24, 2020, 05:23:39 AM
I still have a feeling in my gut that Brandeis, even when starting from scratch this week again, will have a Pool C resume among the top 11 in the Northeast, although I think that it is the 11th best resume, to be honest.

I can see Trinity from NESCAC in the top 11 in the Northeast when rankings are released tomorrow.

I would not be making this argument for Brandeis if the Brandeis men had a winning pct of .625 rather than a .667 winning percentage.

I am honestly looking at all 5 factors of the primary criteria in my analysis.


I should have looked at common opponents a little more carefully.😅



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 24, 2020, 10:08:50 AM
Monday morning random-ia.

-Washington University is rated at No. 14 with an SOS of No. 19 according to Ken Massey.

-Oshkosh has a 438 mile drive to St. Louis according to the NCAA mileage calculator.

-Washington University and Chicago first met during the 1907-1908 season.  Chicago won 30-10.

-Counterfactual: The Bears are 9-4 or worse without Payden Webb.  Webb is currently leading the league in 3-point field goal percentage at 48%.  In UAA play, Webb has scored 9 or more points in 9 games, averaging 20 minutes per game.  Webb is currently ranked No. 9 in the league for points per 40 minutes.  Webb brings the ball handling and defense.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 25, 2020, 10:43:56 AM
Here is my final draft of the UAA All-Association team (edited).

Player of the Year: DeVaughn Rucker, Washington University

Newcomer of the Year: Cole Frilling, Case Western Reserve

Defensive Player of the Year: Jonathan Arenas, Washington University

Coaching Staff of the Year: Washington University and Emory coaches

First Team

Colin Sawyer, Brandeis;   Matthew Schner, Emory;   DeVaughn Rucker, Washington University;   Ryan Algier, Rochester;   Lawrence Rowley, Emory;   Jack Nolan, Washington University;   Cole Frilling, Case Western Reserve;   Jordan Baum, Chicago
__________

Second Team

Justin Hardy, Washington University;   Chandler Jones, Brandeis;   Ross Gang, Rochester;   Michael Hollis, Case Western Reserve;   Romin Williams, Emory;
Zach Howarth, Carnegie Mellon;   Cole Schmitz, Chicago;   Trent Suddeth, Carnegie Mellon;

Honorable Mentions

Matt Davet, Emory;   Zach Howarth and Collin McNeil, Carnegie Mellon;   Robert Faller, Case Western Reserve;   Brennan McDaniel, Chicago;   Jimmy Martinelli and Ethan Feldman, NYU;   Eric D'Aguanno, Brandeis;   Kailan Lee, Rochester;   Matt Nester and Jonathan Arenas, Washington University.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2020, 02:36:45 PM
The Week 3 men's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-third

Brandeis stays in ... bravo.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2020, 03:19:38 PM
Hold all tickets, please... Steward's inquiry on the regional rankings.....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2020, 03:32:18 PM
Check again - there was a problem on the NCAA side and we have since reposted.

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/mens-third-regional-ranking

Brandeis not posted.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2020, 03:48:43 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2020, 03:32:18 PM
Check again - there was a problem on the NCAA side and we have since reposted.

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/mens-third-regional-ranking

Brandeis not posted.

Congrats to Trinity, NE College, and Albertus Magnus.  Dave, I just gave you another $10 donation just a few minutes ago.  I did a look at those resumes this morning and I have an understanding on the reasons.  NE College beat WPI and Tufts, and that got factored in the common opponents with Brandeis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2020, 03:54:28 PM
Brandeis men will finish third in UAA, and Saturday vs NYU is last game. 

Congrats, Judges, on an excellent season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2020, 04:24:07 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 25, 2020, 03:48:43 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2020, 03:32:18 PM
Check again - there was a problem on the NCAA side and we have since reposted.

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/mens-third-regional-ranking

Brandeis not posted.

Congrats to Trinity, NE College, and Albertus Magnus.  Dave, I just gave you another $10 donation just a few minutes ago.  I did a look at those resumes this morning and I have an understanding on the reasons.  NE College beat WPI and Tufts, and that got factored in the common opponents with Brandeis.

You are too kind. You didn't have to do that over this ... but I appreciate it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 25, 2020, 06:10:17 PM
The Judges did have a great season...

Following a good season last year...

Following one of the worst seasons ever for Brandeis the year prior...

The turn-around was nothing short of remarkable.

Lots of credit to everyone involved.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 26, 2020, 12:07:18 PM
Just a quick look ahead to the big game on Saturday.

Washington University is favored, but this rivalry has featured a number games going down to the final possession as well as a number of upsets.  For example, the Bears were undefeated in conference two seasons ago going in to the final game.

Chicago will finish the season with a losing record after playing one of the toughest schedules in Division III regardless of what happens, but they have won 4-6 including road wins at Emory and Rochester.

Recent records:

2019-2020
Washington University (H) 66-65, TBD

2018-2019
Chicago (H) 88-80, Washington University (H) 81-63

2017-2018
Washington University (H) 79-78, Chicago (R) 86-77

2016-2017
Washington University (R) 70-68, Chicago (R) 81-74

2015-2016
Chicago 70-68 (R), Washington University (R) 67-54

2014-2015
Chicago (H) 63-43, Washington University (H) 94-67

2013-2014
Washington University (H) 80-69, Washington University (R), 86-73

2012-2013
Chicago (H) 68-60, Washington University (H) 72-54

2011-2012
Washington University (H) 79-72, Washington University (R) 73-60

2010-2011
Chicago (H) 79-77, Chicago (R) 74-67

2009-2010
Washington University (H) 64-60, Washington University (R) 64-60
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 26, 2020, 03:05:51 PM
Emory at Rochester tips off 2 hours before Wash U v Chicago, so Wash U should know if they have to win the game to get the AQ by the time the ball is tipped at the Ratner Center.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 27, 2020, 07:48:57 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 26, 2020, 03:05:51 PM
Emory at Rochester tips off 2 hours before Wash U v Chicago, so Wash U should know if they have to win the game to get the AQ by the time the ball is tipped at the Ratner Center.

Or the players will just assume that Emory wins that game while the fans listen to JC DeLass's call on WYSL on the internet before the Wash U v Chicago game tips to get up to the minute info...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 27, 2020, 07:50:39 AM
Congratulations to Case Western Reserve on being named NABC DIII Men's Basketball Team of the Week.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 27, 2020, 09:15:47 AM
If Emory loses, will there be "load management" for all the Wash U players?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 27, 2020, 09:36:46 AM
If Emory loses, there will be Domino's Pizza and a 5-hour ride home.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 27, 2020, 10:45:19 AM
Domino's? You're in Chicago. You're better than that.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2020, 10:56:10 AM
Yep. Going to Chicago and ordering Domino's is like going to the Metropolitan Opera in NYC to hear Roseanne Barr sing.

But Domino's has the virtues of being cheap and easy to order in large quantities, it delivers everywhere, and it has an app (so even a GA can get the order right ;)).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 27, 2020, 11:28:11 AM
Best pizza in Chicago: Pompei in Little Italy.

But, that does not travel well.

Imagine Division III athletics without Domino's and Subway and Cracker Barrel.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2020, 06:36:41 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2020, 10:56:10 AM
Yep. Going to Chicago and ordering Domino's is like going to the Metropolitan Opera in NYC to hear Roseanne Barr sing.

But Domino's has the virtues of being cheap and easy to order in large quantities, it delivers everywhere, and it has an app (so even a GA can get the order right ;)).

Unless you're just not in the mood for cheesy tomato soup in a bread bowl.  It's excellent, but it very much strains the definition of "pizza."
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 29, 2020, 01:23:52 AM
Saturday in the UAA.

The last weekend of the regular season seemed so far away, but alas...

Recap: Washington University has clinched a share of the UAA championship and will win the championship with a win.  If they lose, they will also need Emory to lose to avoid sharing the crown with the Eagles.

The UAA has not had co-championships since 2012-2013.  Rochester had a one-game lead going in to the final game that season but both Emory and Washington University won that day to move even with the Yellowjackets.  The oddity of that day: Emory and Washington University both won by a final score of 72-54.

Washington University at Chicago
Bears over the Maroons, 73-69

Emory at Rochester
Eagles over the Yellowjackets, 78-72

Case Western Reserve at Carnegie Mellon
Spartans over Tartans, 81-80

NYU at Brandeis
Judges over the Violets, 77-64
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 29, 2020, 04:01:29 PM
Emory defeats Rochester, 80-76 to finish the regular season 21-4, 11-3.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 29, 2020, 05:06:48 PM
Washington University leads Chicago at the half, 43-34.

Bears need to find a way to stop those offensive rebounds and subsequent second chance opportunities.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 29, 2020, 05:50:22 PM
Emory and Wash U are the 2019-2020 UAA Men's Basketball Co-Champions.
Emory clinches the UAA AQ on tiebreaker advantage.  Congratulations!


Final is Chicago 77, Wash U 70
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 29, 2020, 05:59:23 PM
Throw out the record books...

Tough loss for the Bears but credit to the Maroons in the win today. 

The Bears left Brandon Beckman open on four attempts from the perimeter and he drained all four.

Congratulations though to the Bears for winning a share of the championship.  Congratulations to Emory as well. This was a fun season for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue_jays on February 29, 2020, 06:34:49 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 29, 2020, 05:59:23 PM
Throw out the record books...

Tough loss for the Bears but credit to the Maroons in the win today. 

The Bears left Brandon Beckman open on four attempts from the perimeter and he drained all four.

Congratulations though to the Bears for winning a share of the championship.  Congratulations to Emory as well. This was a fun season for sure.

You must be thinking of McDaniel who torched em for 23 (5-for-5 from three). It's never "leaving him open" when it comes to Brennan. He's the ostensible center on the team and they run him plays for those 3s all year. Set the pick, step behind arc, shoot 3. He's actually the best shooter on the team with an easy motion. He's burned opponents all year (40-92). If there's anything the Maroons do, it's create open 3s - they shot 749 of them this year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 29, 2020, 06:45:13 PM
Yes, I was thinking of Brennan McDaniel.

The Bears have been very good on the defensive end in league play but not so much today.  Or Greg Sager would probably say it had more to do with the Chicago offense. Either way.

McDaniel was 5-5 from three to provide for full credit.  Four were wide open hence my comment.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue_jays on February 29, 2020, 06:53:28 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 29, 2020, 06:45:13 PM
Yes, I was thinking of Brennan McDaniel.

The Bears have been very good on the defensive end in league play but not so much today.  Or Greg Sager would probably say it had more to do with the Chicago offense. Either way.

McDaniel was 5-5 from three to provide for full credit.  Four were wide open hence my comment.

WashU just lost its look in the second half, became too iso heavy and it hurt their flow. Rucker was spinning himself in circles in the post, never seen someone pivot so much in my life, but it is effective by and large. Hopkins bodied up with him later in the game and it was a good duel. WashU went to the well on that one a bit too much with diminishing returns. Ultimately the Maroons hit all the clutch shots this time and got the looks they wanted down the stretch.
If the Bears want to avoid another Aurora-like upset, they need to keep the ball moving and not force the issue with Nolan or Rucker by themselves. Their first half looked way better in that respect.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 29, 2020, 08:42:10 PM
Everything you said is true.

Hopkins may have given Rucker his toughest game of the season.  Hopkins is going to be key to the Maroons as they look to replace a lot of minutes next season.

Nolan should know better than going for some of those late game shots.

The Bears were in the game going in to those final minutes and they had been very good a closing out close games, but lost their composure much as they did against Emory.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 29, 2020, 10:32:38 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 29, 2020, 06:45:13 PM
Yes, I was thinking of Brennan McDaniel.

The Bears have been very good on the defensive end in league play but not so much today.  Or Greg Sager would probably say it had more to do with the Chicago offense. Either way.

Why are you pointing the finger at me? I would not say that at all about today's game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 01, 2020, 12:19:37 AM
I apologize, I am just giving you a hard time. 

You are my favorite poster on the boards, but you do get in very similar it was more about Team A than it was about Team B back and forths (e.g. Elmhurst, North Central) and I thought you might say that about today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 01, 2020, 12:34:14 AM
I do say that often, because poster partisanship sometimes goes overboard to the point of ignoring that there were two teams on the floor in a given game rather than one. But most of the time I don't say it -- and I wouldn't say it about today's WU @ UC game. Anyway, apology accepted ... and thanks for the compliment! :) And good luck to your Bears in the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 01, 2020, 09:19:23 PM
This is the time of year when I indulge myself to compare my preseason rankings to the final UAA standings.

In March 2019, I had Emory and Washington University as co-champions (true story!) but I was too lazy or too cowardly to pick anyone else...

Emory
Washington University (tie)
Pick-em
Pick-em
Pick-em
Pick-em
Pick-em
Pick-em

__________

In October 2019, I had Emory ahead of Washington University and Carnegie Mellon ahead of Case Western Reserve, but I figured both would be within a win of each other. 

I have no idea why I had Rochester at the end of the list as I was 100% sure they would finish ahead of NYU, but I am not sure I would have had them above the Pittsburgh-Cleveland travel partners.  But, there you go.

Emory
Washington University
Brandeis
Chicago
Carnegie Mellon
Case Western Reserve
Carnegie Mellon
NYU
Rochester

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Here are the official league standings

Emory 11-3
Washington University 11-3 (tie)
Brandeis 9-5
Rochester 7-7
Chicago 7-7 (tie)
Case Western Reserve 6-8
Carnegie Mellon 4-10
NYU 1-13
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 02, 2020, 03:49:22 PM
Final regional rankings released for Week 4:

UAA AQ Emory-- #2 in South.

Wash U-- #4 in Central (Benedictine finished at #5 in Central)

Rochester-- #5 in East.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 02, 2020, 06:32:23 PM
KSDK Channel 5, NBC in St. Louis, did a short piece on the 5 p.m. news about Wash U facing Bethany Lutheran in the NCAA tournament. No mention of the other St. Louis school in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 02, 2020, 06:44:42 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on March 02, 2020, 06:32:23 PM
KSDK Channel 5, NBC in St. Louis, did a short piece on the 5 p.m. news about Wash U facing Bethany Lutheran in the NCAA tournament. No mention of the other St. Louis school in the tournament.

KSDK was probably invited to cover the Wash U Men's Basketball Selection party, (a tradition going back to coaches Mark Edwards and Nancy Fahey) but I am not sure if the other St Louis school invited local TV to.their selection party.

I just watched the KSDK piece on the smart TV via the NewsON app.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 05, 2020, 01:48:09 PM
For anyone thinking about the match-up tomorrow between Washington University and Bethany Lutheran, the sports writers at Student Life are second to none as student-journalists...

A few notable paragraphs from their story today:

In seven playoff appearances since winning the national championship in 2009, the Washington University men's basketball team has not once made it out of the first two weekends.
...

Head coach Pat Juckem emphasized Bethany Lutheran's transition offense and their ability to play a quick game as things the Bears have been planning for. He observed that two Viking guards, junior Brian Smith and sophomore Cire Mayfield, have been particularly integral to the Bethany Lutheran offensive success. "They're faster with the ball than most guys are without it," he said. "Getting back and getting our defense set, making them play in the half court will be imperative. It's one of those things that's easier said than done. We take a lot of pride in and something that we work very hard on is our transition defense, so that will be tested, no doubt about it."
...

On the offensive side of the game, senior guard Matt Nester will be a player to watch this weekend. Nester, who last year was third on the team with 10.7 points per game, missed six games with a broken hand earlier this season. Since then, he has not been the same. After scoring in double-digits in six of the Bears' first 11 games, Nester has not scored more than eight since returning. He had made 40.2% of his shots before the injury, but that mark has been nearly halved since he came back, as Nester has made just 21.7% of his shots since returning. Still, Nester has been in the starting lineup in every game since Feb. 7. His leadership within the team has led to Juckem's continued confidence in him.

"The reason that he's on the floor is that he does so many other things," Juckem said. "Even though he hasn't shot the ball as well as he has in his career, he's done a lot of other things that have impacted winning and impacted success. I wouldn't be on the bus heading to Nebraska if he hadn't made it back in the lineup with us because he's been absolutely critical."

Things are looking up for Nester's shooting. A doctor informed him this week that his hand has fully healed. He will be able to play on Friday without the left hand brace that has hampered his shooting. "You think about just the importance of your guide hand and shooting: [If] you have a big piece of plastic, it can't help but affect [your shooting] somewhat," Juckem said.

...

The article: https://www.studlife.com/sports/2020/03/04/mens-basketball-seeks-to-overcome-previous-playoff-struggles-in-opening-rounds-of-march-madness/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 05, 2020, 05:17:22 PM
The UAA has released the all-Association team: https://uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/2019-20/19-20_MBKB_All-Assoc.pdf

Jack Nolan and Matt Schner are co-players of the year.

Lawrence Rowley is the defensive player of the year.

Cole Friling is the rookie of the year.

Coach Juckem and his staff were awarded the coaching staff of the year.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2020, 05:20:57 PM
... and that sound you hear is UAA Sports Information Directors scrambling now that they can finally nominate those players for All-Region. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 06, 2020, 06:43:17 PM
Washington University leads Bethany Lutheran at the half, 57-35.

The Bears almost matched the 59 points scored by Benedictine for the game.

I imagine Bethany Lutheran will make a run in the second to make it interesting based on their play over the last 10 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 06, 2020, 06:54:55 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan has one of the best camera/production set-ups in Division III.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 06, 2020, 07:34:40 PM
Washington University defeats Bethany Lutheran, 102-68.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 06, 2020, 10:42:09 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on March 06, 2020, 06:54:55 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan has one of the best camera/production set-ups in Division III.

Absolutely! And really great announcers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 07, 2020, 03:09:33 AM
I agree. Fun to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 07, 2020, 09:14:51 PM
Washington University leads Nebraska Wesleyan at the half, 44-17. 

A pretty good game overall for the Bears....
__________

Pomona Pitzer defeats Emory, 71-70.

Emory is not going to get to the Final Four this season(my prediction) but returns everyone in 2020-2021.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 07, 2020, 09:45:14 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan fighting back.

If I have to come back to the boards and read about one of the biggest comebacks of all time...

#postseasoncurse
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 07, 2020, 10:21:04 PM
The curse is over baby!

Washington University defeats Nebraska Wesleyan, 79-58.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 07, 2020, 11:07:54 PM
Just a couple of quick thoughts on that game.

In the post game interview last night, the Bears talked about being focused entirely on Bethany Lutheran.  That may be true, but they came out dialed in today.

Justin Hardy may have had his best overall game of the season.  He finished with 26 points and 10 rebounds.  Nolan was outstanding in every regard.

Arenas dished out 5 assists tonight.  Arenas is averaging just 2.7 points per game and yet he has been critical to so many Washington University wins this season.  Remarkable!

Rucker played limited minutes tonight, but had 6-7 Clay Reimers locked down.  Rucker absolutely should have been the defensive player of the year.  I love Lawrence Rowley, but the coaches absolutely got this wrong.

The Bears did start the second half cold and had to fight off a Prairie Wolves rally early in the second half, but the Bears got back to work, made shots, and pushed the lead back up.

Nate Shimonitz and his fellow seniors walked off the court like the champions they are.  The Nebraska Wesleyan play by play guy was chocking up as he talked through the final seconds.  I can relate.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 10, 2020, 04:27:31 PM
Not related to basketball, but related to the UAA--

Brandeis announced today that no spectators will be allowed at any Brandeis home events for all spring sports this season.  A state of emergency is now in effect in Massachusetts relating to the coronavirus outbreak.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 19, 2020, 10:59:01 AM
Just a quick post-mortem on the season as a Washington University fan.

In the end, this was a great season to be a fan.

22-5 in the No. 2 conference according to Ken Massey and a 2-1 record against the WIAC and a 2-1-1 record against the CCIW.  11-3 in the UAA and a co-championship.  Two road wins en route to the Sweet 16.  Player and coaching accolades.

A challenging season for the team as 5 players missed games due to injuries and illnesses.  The adversity did allow other players to play a much larger role and should provide for an easier transition next season...

5-players graduate from one of the more venerable senior classes...their contributions will long be remembered by the Washington University faithful.

The Bears return a lot next season and should be expected to finish second in the league after Emory. 

Nolan is on track to finish THIRD in the all time scoring category (and could go higher), surpassing Gene Nolan and a host other Washington University legends.  Hardy should continue to start as power forward.  The other three positions will be shared mostly by five other guys that played significant roles this season and should feature heavily in the line-up next season...

This team has the roster to win the league if they win the off season to borrow the cliche.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 19, 2020, 11:26:22 AM
2-1-1 against the CCIW? They tied a game? LOL

Also, technically, a neutral court win and an away win to the Sweet 16.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 19, 2020, 12:43:16 PM
Two wins away from home en route to the Sweet 16...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 19, 2020, 12:57:17 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on March 19, 2020, 12:43:16 PM
Two wins away from home en route to the Sweet 16...

I'll accept that.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 21, 2020, 12:41:58 AM
Here is my annual list of key graduating seniors and key players returning next season along with the final records for this season. This is a rough draft, so I apologize in advance for any mistakes.

As with last season, I define key players liberally as those who averaged 10 minutes or more per game, so the list does not include many players who may play big roles next season.

Emory 22-5, 11-3 UAA
Key seniors:  N/A
Key players returning: Williams, Davet, Rowley, Schner, Stuck, Johnson, Morrison

Loses nothing. Wow!

Washington University 22-5, 11-3 UAA
Key seniors: Hunter, Nester, Rucker Arenas
Key players returning: Nolan, Hardy, Mack, Jacob, Bloedorn, Webb, Boehm

Loses 31 points and 21 rebounds per game

Brandeis 17-8, 9-5 UAA
Key seniors: D'Aguanno, Sawyer
Key players returning: Sabir, Jones, Hagerty, Justice, Lien, Nasser, Zucker, Clamage

Loses 27 points and 6 rebounds per game.

Rochester 16-9, 7-7 UAA
Key seniors: Benka
Key players returning: Gang, Algier, Lee, Noordsij, Amabilino Perez, Price

Loses 9 points and 2 rebounds per game.

Chicago 12-13, 7-7 UAA
Key seniors: Baum, Schmitz, and Colangelo
Key players returning: Lavarie, McDaniel, Hopkins, Beckman, Munson, Martin

Loses 26 points and 14 rebounds per game including maybe the best point guard in Chicago history.

Case Western Reserve 13-12, 6-8 UAA
Key seniors: Khela, Hansen, Hollis
Key players returning: Masiulionis, Frilling, Faller, Volkening, Ionadi and Newton

Points and rebounds do not sufficiently describe what they are losing with this senior class.

Carnegie Mellon 11-14, 4-10 UAA
Key seniors: McNeil, Henry, Howarth, Ehland, Watson and Suddeth
Key players returning: Weiss, Miller, Nakasian, Krempa, Watson

Loses 38 points and 19 rebounds per game

NYU 8-17, 2-12 UAA
Key seniors: Feldman, Cristiano, Martinelli
Key players returning: Macarchuk, Summerville, Khubani, Narwal, Hoppe, Hawkinson, Whatley, Demps and maybe others from the DL

Loses 25 points and 10 rebounds per game
__________________________________________

Here is my early prediction on how the teams will finish next season. 

1. Emory
2. Washington University
3. Rochester
4. Brandeis
5. Case Western Reserve
6. Chicago
7. NYU
8. Carnegie Mellon
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 29, 2020, 08:20:27 PM
I missed this in the press release that I did read, but was alerted by another poster that Colin Sawyer is returning for Brandeis next season as a graduate student.  They lose only Eric D'Aguanno.

Brandeis played without Lawrence Sabir for a number of games this season.

I'll post it here for others to consider but I think Brandeis could be a Top 25 team next season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Smitty Oom on March 29, 2020, 10:41:38 PM
UAA will be an absolute meat grinder next year. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 02, 2020, 12:51:30 PM
The more that I think about it, the more I agree.

2020-2021 is going to be a meat grinder.

I think there will be four teams competing for the championship, but if I think the final standings will look like:

1. Emory
2. Washington University
3. Brandeis
4. Rochester
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5. Case Western Reserve
6. Chicago
7. NYU
8. Carnegie Mellon
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 02, 2020, 07:08:15 PM
You should change your tune. Post that you think NYU has a real shot at the conference title and see how many posters start drafting NYU players...oh wait, did I say that outloud? LOL  ::) ??? :o ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 02, 2020, 09:07:22 PM
Hey, when the regular season leagues begin, someone has to pick Cole Frilling out of Case Western Reserve.  Frilling could transfer to any team in the league next season and immediately start.

18 points on 52%/46%/88% shooting and 6 rebounds per game in league play and this guy has not reached his ceiling.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 09, 2020, 12:47:14 AM
I have been binge-watching Washington University basketball games and I started thinking about the rotation for next season.  Based on the current personnel, this is what I have so far (secondary assignments in parenthesis). 

I do think we will see a number of combinations on the floor and certainly the potential for first-year players to enter the mix.

This is entirely speculative, but I do think Nate Bloedorn starts as the center with Boehm backing up both Hardy and Bloedorn / Davet.

I am not sure about Payden Webb, but I think he comes off the bench to play different roles, but ultimately gets a lot of playing time.

Jacob, Webb, Gonzalo
Nolan, Windley, (Webb)
Mack, (Webb)
Hardy, Boehm, (Mack)
Bloedorn, Davet, (Boehm)

The Bears are losing two of the more dynamic rebounders in Arenas and Rucker, but Mack is ready to play a much bigger role, crashing the boards.  Hardy is already there.  The Bloedorn, Davet, Boehm need to be ready to go to work.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 09, 2020, 06:17:56 PM
Washington University recruits

Jabari Chiphe, Guard,
Payton High School, Chicago, Illinois
Averaged 23 points, 9 rebounds

Kolbe Rada, Guard
Lincoln Piux X, Lincoln, Nebraska
Averaged 16 points, 4 rebounds
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ole Ollie on April 10, 2020, 05:22:26 PM
Nice article about a Brandeis recruit.  Brandeis has been short on bigs (pun intended) so he may be able to contribute right away.

I haven't heard about any other Brandeis recruits.

https://www.theday.com/article/20200404/sport03/200409731 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 12, 2020, 02:27:35 AM
Yeah, I have checked social media a few times and have seen only a few recruits posting between the eight teams.

I did see a Tweet about NYU forward Dom Cristiano has two offers from Division II schools to play as a graduate transfer.  Tough break for NYU, but Cristiano could conceivably find a home on a Division I roster.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ole Ollie on April 13, 2020, 12:43:11 PM
Another Brandeis recruit has been announced; this one from right down the road at Waltham High School.  Ryan Power, the school's all time leading scorer and Player of the Year in his league.  An athletic wing, he scored about 24 points a game last year -- not bad at any level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzg6SWkq1EU&feature=emb_title 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ole Ollie on April 22, 2020, 12:48:23 PM
Another Brandeis recruit: Sam Adusei from St. George's School.  New England Recruiting Report lists him as the fifth ranked player in Rhode Island.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fgjK_obz1Y 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ole Ollie on April 28, 2020, 07:41:52 PM
Brandeis has inked two more very promising guards, Kourash Kahn Adle from San Francisco and David Perez from Florida.  The judges should be well stocked at guard for years to come.

Perez highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V7TPL8ndiM

Kahn Adle highlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntmkFtYkZh0

Another big would be good. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 29, 2020, 11:30:07 PM
Thanks for continuing to post on the Brandeis recruits.

Emory picked up a 6-4 point guard out Lincoln, Nebraska.

Jaxson Barber averaged 22.6 points and 5.4 rebounds per game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 01, 2020, 09:57:22 PM
It is May 1st so I thought I would check Twitter and though I did not find any Rochester recruits, I did find this article suggesting that Jim Boeheim was interviewing for the Rochester job.

Mike Neer got the job instead and went on to win 563 games (0.63%) and a national championship.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESpI23aXYAAM2ro?format=png&name=medium)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 01, 2020, 10:30:49 PM
Roosevelt Bouie. Now there's a name I haven't heard in a long, long time. "The Louie and Bouie Show" was all the rage when I was in high school in the Syracuse suburbs; Louis Orr and Roosevelt Bouie, both products of Jim Boeheim's first recruiting class as Syracuse's head coach, each scored about 1,500 points for the Orangemen over the course of their parallel careers and had their jersey numbers retired by SU.

When I was a kid, Roy Danforth was the King of Syracuse. Boeheim was still just Danforth's protege, but he was a key cog in the machine, since as the Orangemen's only assistant coach in those simpler times he was also the chief recruiter. Boeheim's other job was to coach the Syracuse JV team, which was known as the Tangerines. (I have no idea if they're still called that, or if SU even has a junior varsity anymore.) Syracuse University men's basketball was such a big deal in Central New York that the Syracuse Herald-Journal even ran game stories on the Tangerines -- small, three-paragraph stories buried in the middle of the sports section, but that was more than LeMoyne or Cortland State or Ithaca or Oswego State ever got from the Herald-Journal. Even when Ithaca would win a D3 football national championship, the column inches devoted to the championship wouldn't be any bigger than the Tangerines would get for a JV game against, say, Onondaga Community College or the SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry.

Deep in the recesses of my brain, I'll always think of Boeheim as the geeky-looking twentysomething who coached the Tangerines.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ronk on May 02, 2020, 12:09:05 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 01, 2020, 10:30:49 PM
Roosevelt Bouie. Now there's a name I haven't heard in a long, long time. "The Louie and Bouie Show" was all the rage when I was in high school in the Syracuse suburbs; Louis Orr and Roosevelt Bouie, both products of Jim Boeheim's first recruiting class as Syracuse's head coach, each scored about 1,500 points for the Orangemen over the course of their parallel careers and had their jersey numbers retired by SU.

When I was a kid, Roy Danforth was the King of Syracuse. Boeheim was still just Danforth's protege, but he was a key cog in the machine, since as the Orangemen's only assistant coach in those simpler times he was also the chief recruiter. Boeheim's other job was to coach the Syracuse JV team, which was known as the Tangerines. (I have no idea if they're still called that, or if SU even has a junior varsity anymore.) Syracuse University men's basketball was such a big deal in Central New York that the Syracuse Herald-Journal even ran game stories on the Tangerines -- small, three-paragraph stories buried in the middle of the sports section, but that was more than LeMoyne or Cortland State or Ithaca or Oswego State ever got from the Herald-Journal. Even when Ithaca would win a D3 football national championship, the column inches devoted to the championship wouldn't be any bigger than the Tangerines would get for a JV game against, say, Onondaga Community College or the SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry.

Deep in the recesses of my brain, I'll always think of Boeheim as the geeky-looking twentysomething who coached the Tangerines.

And playing for the Scranton Miners in the Eastern League on the weekends where I saw him at least once.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: rlgyank on May 02, 2020, 08:18:30 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on April 29, 2020, 11:30:07 PM
Thanks for continuing to post on the Brandeis recruits.

Emory picked up a 6-4 point guard out Lincoln, Nebraska.

Jaxson Barber averaged 22.6 points and 5.4 rebounds per game.

I'm not sure I would call him a point guard, but he should be a very good player for Emory. Pretty long and athletic, and rebounds well for a 6-4 player.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on May 03, 2020, 08:36:28 AM
Sorry if this has hit the board already...I'm not sure if it has.

This is a highly regarded player from IL heading to Carnegie Mellon...

* RJ Holmes, 6-6 PF (Stevenson HS, IL) 9.6 ppg, 7 rpg

https://basketball.dailyherald.com/sports/20200320/the-lake-county-all-area-team
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 03, 2020, 07:03:07 PM
Thanks all for the history, correction and the recruit.

I have seen two recruits for Carnegie Mellon on Twitter.

RJ Holmes and Ryan Nagle from Bishops High School in La Jolla, California.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 04, 2020, 01:06:01 AM
Case Western Reserve Recruits:

Luke Thorburn, Guard
Strake Jesuit, Dallas, Texas

Jayden Prince, Guard
Dublin Scioto, Dublin, Ohio

Dan Lee, Guard
Dublin Scioto, Dublin, Ohio

Jeremy Callahan, Guard
Wyoming Seminary

Ian Elam, Forward
Bellarmine Prep, San Jose

Daniel Florey
St. Ignatius, Chicago
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ronk on May 04, 2020, 01:33:30 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on May 04, 2020, 01:06:01 AM
Case Western Reserve Recruits:

Luke Thorburn, Guard
Strake Jesuit, Dallas, Texas

Jayden Prince, Guard
Dublin Scioto, Dublin, Ohio

Dan Lee, Guard
Dublin Scioto, Dublin, Ohio

Jeremy Callahan, Guard
Wyoming Seminary

Ian Elam, Forward
Bellarmine Prep, San Jose

Daniel Florey
St. Ignatius, Chicago

Looks like a territorial draft violation snatching him from the NEPA colleges.   ::)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on May 05, 2020, 02:08:15 PM
Lee decommitted in favor of Williams.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 26, 2020, 03:46:42 PM
For the second time in three seasons, a Washington University recruit has been named by Sun-Times writer Joe Henricksen as the Biggest Chicago-area Division III recruiting steal.

https://www.pressreader.com/usa/chicago-sun-times/20200523/281655372275849
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 27, 2020, 12:45:16 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on May 26, 2020, 03:46:42 PM
For the second time in three seasons, a Washington University recruit has been named by Sun-Times writer Joe Henricksen as the Biggest Chicago-area Division III recruiting steal.

https://www.pressreader.com/usa/chicago-sun-times/20200523/281655372275849

Who was the other one?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 27, 2020, 11:27:04 AM
Justin Hardy was the other.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 28, 2020, 12:20:51 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on May 27, 2020, 11:27:04 AM
Justin Hardy was the other.

Yeah, he's ok.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 29, 2020, 07:01:08 PM
Emory kids...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYvm17OXQAAFYuO?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 04, 2020, 02:09:48 PM
NYU has officially announced their next recruiting class.

They add 9 new players including 3 transfer students; one of which has transferred from Division I Marshall though after a cursory review, it does not seem as though he played there.

https://gonyuathletics.com/news/2020/6/3/mens-basketball-announces-2024-recruiting-class.aspx

As an aside, Dom Cristiano has signed as a graduate student with Division II Pace University.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 04, 2020, 02:40:37 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on June 04, 2020, 02:09:48 PM
NYU has officially announced their next recruiting class.

They add 9 new players including 3 transfer students; one of which has transferred from Division I Marshall though after a cursory review, it does not seem as though he played there.

https://gonyuathletics.com/news/2020/6/3/mens-basketball-announces-2024-recruiting-class.aspx

As an aside, Dom Cristiano has signed as a graduate student with Division II Pace University.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand they've pulled the story already.  Must not have gotten deposits from everyone just yet.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 04, 2020, 02:56:07 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 04, 2020, 02:40:37 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on June 04, 2020, 02:09:48 PM
NYU has officially announced their next recruiting class.

They add 9 new players including 3 transfer students; one of which has transferred from Division I Marshall though after a cursory review, it does not seem as though he played there.

https://gonyuathletics.com/news/2020/6/3/mens-basketball-announces-2024-recruiting-class.aspx

As an aside, Dom Cristiano has signed as a graduate student with Division II Pace University.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand they've pulled the story already.  Must not have gotten deposits from everyone just yet.

Huh - I saw it on several social media platforms as well. Oops.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 04, 2020, 02:59:11 PM
What the?

They have been Tweeting out the names for a while.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on June 04, 2020, 03:47:32 PM
Why isn't NYU one of the biggest consistent D3 powers?  A huge student population, tons of resources, stellar academic reputation, in a power conference, located in arguably the most desirable part of NYC, extraordinarily popular school, and in one of the nation's premier hoops meccas, no shortage of hoops talent within 80 miles of the schools.  You'd think it would be one of the easiest recruiting sells in all of D3.  If I was to pick one program that wasn't already a consistent winner to take over, that would be the one ...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 04, 2020, 04:38:44 PM
I think NYU is one of two UAA schools that should be consistent basketball powers.

I do not have the full answer, but I do think the temporary closure of the Coles Center definitely hurt.  Those who graduated this season played their entire career off-campus and I believe they are off-campus again next season.  The new building will be great moving forward.

They were a very good team in 5-6 seasons ago and then returned with the youngest group of players ever as recruitment lagged.

NYU has had more than their share of injuries too.

They might turn it around, but for next season, I think they will be competing for last place.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 04, 2020, 04:42:12 PM
I think the lack of quality scheduling has hurt NYU. When you streak out to an undefeated mark in non-conference play and then get your rear end's handed to you in conference action ... I think smart ball players realize what is really going on - even if the team got ranked in the Top 25 during that non-conference run.'

Too many years the non-conference schedule hasn't been all that and they get exposed in conference play. NYU as a result may have a reputation of not having much of a basketball program and not worth coming to. This was happening BEFORE the Coles Center closed down, though I am sure not having a home has played a role - I don't doubt that at all.

I am just not sure if the men's program stands out for any reason. I would love to see it succeed. I know people at NYU and I want to see them having fun with programs and such ... but I'm just not sure NYU is on the right track with this program.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 04, 2020, 04:50:20 PM
The schedule has to be part of it too.

By the way, NYU has officially announced their next recruiting class.

They add 9 new players including 3 transfer students; one of which has transferred from Division I Marshall though after a cursory review, it does not seem as though he played there.

https://gonyuathletics.com/news/2020/6/3/mens-basketball-announces-2024-recruiting-class.aspx

Yeah, the release is back.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on June 05, 2020, 12:01:43 AM
When I spoke with their new head coach last summer, I got the sense that recruiting was a challenge.

My understanding is that NYU doesn't offer financial aid -- they don't need to because the demand for admissions is so high -- which means their recruiting pool is restricted to players who can pay full freight to play there.  So now you are looking for players who can succeed academically at NYU, want to live in NYC (not everyone does), afford NYU and play basketball at the level you want.

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/05/atn-nelson-hassell

The natural question for which I have no answer is, "If the lack of an on-campus home court or the financial aid limitations are such a problem, why doesn't the women's team struggle, too?"
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 05, 2020, 12:11:55 AM
There may be some truth to the recruiting issues, but that runs counter to what he said in a podcast last year.

Maybe I mischaracterized what he said, but this is what I wrote at the time.

Quote from: WUPHF on September 19, 2019, 11:32:45 PM
And, speaking of NYU and recruiting, head coach Dagan Nelson was interviewed on a podcast this week.

He did talk about the recruiting advantages he has at NYU and even suggested that he gets 60-70 e-mails a day from prospects and could field 6 or 7 teams.

This is a good interview and worth the listen if you have any interest.

http://refereerant.com/2019/09/episode-88-the-rant-dagan-nelson/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Caz Bombers on June 05, 2020, 08:18:41 AM
Coach Nelson must already draw a lot of water at NYU. They just hired as their new AD the man that hired him last time as AD at New Paltz.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 05, 2020, 02:16:50 PM
While I understand Gordon's point ... couldn't that be said about a lot of the schools in the UAA? Most of them are succeeding.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 05, 2020, 02:52:49 PM
NYU finished No. 34 in the Learfield Director's Cup in 2018-2019, so yeah, varsity athletics are strong overall.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on June 05, 2020, 03:09:05 PM
QuoteWhile I understand Gordon's point ... couldn't that be said about a lot of the schools in the UAA? Most of them are succeeding.

Could be the difference between schools that are need blind and those that are need blind and committed to filling the financial aid needs of the students they admit. Take it for what it's worth but NYU is listed as the former. You can get in, but you may not be able to afford it. Same goes for Brandeis and CMU.

https://www.cappex.com/articles/match-fit/need-blind-admission-colleges

Emory, Rochester and Chicago are in the latter category.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on June 05, 2020, 03:10:34 PM
QuoteAnd, speaking of NYU and recruiting, head coach Dagan Nelson was interviewed on a podcast this week.

He did talk about the recruiting advantages he has at NYU and even suggested that he gets 60-70 e-mails a day from prospects and could field 6 or 7 teams.

That speaks to volume of recruits, not quality. Would any of those 6 or 7 teams contend for the UAA title?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 05, 2020, 04:03:10 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on June 05, 2020, 03:09:05 PM
QuoteWhile I understand Gordon's point ... couldn't that be said about a lot of the schools in the UAA? Most of them are succeeding.

Could be the difference between schools that are need blind and those that are need blind and committed to filling the financial aid needs of the students they admit. Take it for what it's worth but NYU is listed as the former. You can get in, but you may not be able to afford it. Same goes for Brandeis and CMU.

https://www.cappex.com/articles/match-fit/need-blind-admission-colleges

Emory, Rochester and Chicago are in the latter category.

That's why I throw softballs at Gordon ... I always get interesting details back at me. :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on June 05, 2020, 06:55:52 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on June 05, 2020, 03:10:34 PM
QuoteAnd, speaking of NYU and recruiting, head coach Dagan Nelson was interviewed on a podcast this week.

He did talk about the recruiting advantages he has at NYU and even suggested that he gets 60-70 e-mails a day from prospects and could field 6 or 7 teams.

That speaks to volume of recruits, not quality. Would any of those 6 or 7 teams contend for the UAA title?
No. 

They'd have 6 or 7 JV teams basically.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 05, 2020, 07:46:49 PM
NYU is 33-66 since 2016-2017 with just 8 wins in the league, so they are already a JV team.

I am sure Coach Nelson was talking about more than volume when he talked about his ability to bring in players, but if someone wants to listen to confirm, the interview is great.  I like him.

I am open to the idea that a need-blind admissions policy can be helpful or harmful as far as recruiting goes, but this is not universal.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 05, 2020, 08:23:50 PM

I mean, are we going to deny the obvious?  Atlanta and St. Louis are pretty cool places, but they're not lower Manhattan. It takes a very specific kind of student athlete to go to NYU to play basketball.  Like we've said, it's not impossible to recruit there and the new gym will definitely help, but you're competing with A LOT more alternatives for student-athlete attention than at most schools, even very good ones.

I don't think it's hard to see why recruiting nationally competitive players at NYU might be more difficult.

According to NYU's website, their aid is largely merit-based, but weighted by need vs WashU where they're committed to every student from a family making less than $75,000 a year graduating without any debt, and they're still giving a median need-based scholarship of $30,000 to kids from families making $200,000+.

NYU is super popular and awesome and they don't need to spend as much on aid to get the kind of students they want.  That's going to definitely hurt a non-scholarship athletic program.

I don't think any of these are excuses, though - just obstacles.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 05, 2020, 09:29:42 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 05, 2020, 08:23:50 PM

I mean, are we going to deny the obvious?  Atlanta and St. Louis are pretty cool places, but they're not lower Manhattan. It takes a very specific kind of student athlete to go to NYU to play basketball.  Like we've said, it's not impossible to recruit there and the new gym will definitely help, but you're competing with A LOT more alternatives for student-athlete attention than at most schools, even very good ones.

NYU's location is a feature, not a bug, as far as recruiting is concerned.

It's not about competing with alternatives for student-athlete attention. You're underestimating the focus and drive of a basketball player. A kid who wants to play college basketball will want to play college basketball no matter where he ends up. But lower Manhattan is an enticing location for when you're not playing basketball, because college basketball players don't play pickup games, work on their shooting, and lift weights 24/7/52. They have lives, too. And when you're twenty years old, living that life in Greenwich Village can seem like a very cool thing, whether you're a basketball player, a tuba player, or a Halo player.

Plus, in terms of internship opportunities on the academic and future-career side of things, Manhattan is a treasure trove of possibilities.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 05, 2020, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 05, 2020, 09:29:42 PMcollege basketball players don't play pickup games, work on their shooting, and lift weights 24/7/52.

At least, not in D-III.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 05, 2020, 09:57:08 PM
True. But I didn't want to invite the distraction of differentiating between scholarship players and non-scholarship players, because that's not what the discussion is about.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 05, 2020, 11:40:51 PM
Also, who wouldn't want to go to school with the next Spike Lee, Lady Gaga, Jack Dorsey, Anne Hathaway, Rainn Wilson, Woody Allen, Amal Clooney, Paul Tagliabue, Chelsea Clinton, Perez Hilton, Judy Blume, Dolph Schayes and a few hundred more movers and shakers?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 06, 2020, 10:43:47 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 05, 2020, 09:29:42 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 05, 2020, 08:23:50 PM

I mean, are we going to deny the obvious?  Atlanta and St. Louis are pretty cool places, but they're not lower Manhattan. It takes a very specific kind of student athlete to go to NYU to play basketball.  Like we've said, it's not impossible to recruit there and the new gym will definitely help, but you're competing with A LOT more alternatives for student-athlete attention than at most schools, even very good ones.

NYU's location is a feature, not a bug, as far as recruiting is concerned.

It's not about competing with alternatives for student-athlete attention. You're underestimating the focus and drive of a basketball player. A kid who wants to play college basketball will want to play college basketball no matter where he ends up. But lower Manhattan is an enticing location for when you're not playing basketball, because college basketball players don't play pickup games, work on their shooting, and lift weights 24/7/52. They have lives, too. And when you're twenty years old, living that life in Greenwich Village can seem like a very cool thing, whether you're a basketball player, a tuba player, or a Halo player.

Plus, in terms of internship opportunities on the academic and future-career side of things, Manhattan is a treasure trove of possibilities.

Of course we know the premise is faulty.  D3 basketball players end their careers early all the time precisely because they have other interests and commitments.  It's one the things that makes D3 great.  Yeah, players who have basketball as their #2 priority (because they're all students first, right) may not choose a place like NYU, because they're less interested in the other things.

Maybe instead of saying obstacle, I should say NYU has a unique recruiting profile that's going to require some creativity from a coach to do really well.

If you can recruit, you can recruit anywhere; I just imagine its a little tougher finding the basketball players from whom NYU is the right fit - and that's for a good reason, not a negative.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jmcozenlaw on June 06, 2020, 12:15:53 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on June 05, 2020, 11:40:51 PM
Also, who wouldn't want to go to school with the next Spike Lee, Lady Gaga, Jack Dorsey, Anne Hathaway, Rainn Wilson, Woody Allen, Amal Clooney, Paul Tagliabue, Chelsea Clinton, Perez Hilton, Judy Blume, Dolph Schayes and a few hundred more movers and shakers?

Anne Hathaway? Sure, I'm in for the moving and shaking. Not so much Chelsea though ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 16, 2020, 11:47:18 AM
Washington University adds three to the roster with the class of 2024: https://washubears.com/sports/mbkb/2020-21/releases/20200616epncq2

The 2020-2021 schedule has yet to be posted in full but washubears.com provides a glimpse in to UAA play and things get started in the first two weekends with Emory and Washington squaring off in the second game of league play.

Emory at Rochester, hosts Washington University and Chicago
Washington University at Chicago, at Emory and at Rochester
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: PauldingLightUP on June 17, 2020, 12:57:51 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on June 16, 2020, 11:47:18 AM
Washington University adds three to the roster with the class of 2024: https://washubears.com/sports/mbkb/2020-21/releases/20200616epncq2

The 2020-2021 schedule has yet to be posted in full but washubears.com provides a glimpse in to UAA play and things get started in the first two weekends with Emory and Washington squaring off in the second game of league play.

Emory at Rochester, hosts Washington University and Chicago
Washington University at Chicago, at Emory and at Rochester

Looks like a full schedule is now up for WashU

https://washubears.com/sports/mbkb/2020-21/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 17, 2020, 01:22:56 PM
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Rickey Paulding, Mizzou '04
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on June 18, 2020, 09:16:47 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on June 17, 2020, 01:22:56 PM
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Rickey Paulding, Mizzou '04

Ok wupifff... I know who Ricky Pauling is... why am I seeing you post a picture of him in the UAA room?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 18, 2020, 09:22:13 AM
Quote from: hopefan on June 18, 2020, 09:16:47 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on June 17, 2020, 01:22:56 PM
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Rickey Paulding, Mizzou '04

Ok wupifff... I know who Ricky Pauling is... why am I seeing you post a picture of him in the UAA room?

Check out the posting name of the poster above him for the answer to your question.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 18, 2020, 09:47:38 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 18, 2020, 09:22:13 AM
Quote from: hopefan on June 18, 2020, 09:16:47 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on June 17, 2020, 01:22:56 PM
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Rickey Paulding, Mizzou '04

Ok wupifff... I know who Ricky Pauling is... why am I seeing you post a picture of him in the UAA room?

Check out the posting name of the poster above him for the answer to your question.

I'm not sure if that actually answer's hopefan's question. I guess the only connection Paulding has to this room and WUPHF is WUPHF is a Wash U fan, the school is in Missouri and Pauding went to Mizzou? He's from Detroit, MI. I don't know, maybe they're friends.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 18, 2020, 11:13:06 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 18, 2020, 09:22:13 AM
Check out the posting name of the poster above him for the answer to your question.

Ding, ding, ding...

I think of Rickey Paulding every time I see that guy post.

I am thinking maybe it is Rickey Paulding.

Paulding could light it up as they say.

So, looking at the schedule again, it looks like the Bears are headed to Memphis, Rock Island and Westerville, Ohio.

Looks like I am driving to Rock Island this December.  Maybe there will be SLIAC team or two in Iowa that weekend and I can meet up again with our Dean of the SLIAC.  Maybe?  Five seasons later, I can still hear the sound of Coach Grey pummeling the scorer's table.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 23, 2020, 12:36:49 AM
The University of Rochester has a schedule: https://uofrathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 23, 2020, 09:57:36 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on June 23, 2020, 12:36:49 AM
The University of Rochester has a schedule: https://uofrathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule

Overall a very strong schedule, but those first three games look like a page out of NYU's playbook.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 24, 2020, 10:30:15 PM
I just hope there's a season.  ???
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 25, 2020, 10:38:46 AM
I do like that Rochester schedule and it seems as though they will have a higher SOS than last season.  And every non-conference game is close to home (or at home) except for the Ohio road trip.

But yeah, let's hope there is a season.

By the way, Emory was involved in four of the more dramatic league games last season.

Emory at Brandeis
Chicago at Emory
Washington University at Emory
Emory at Case Western Reserve

Emory added the home win over Washington University to YouTube along with the games against Rochester, Brandeis, Oshkosh and others.

As sad as I was about the outcome, this was a good game to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgHGbSWJMWM&feature=emb_logo

The Case Western Reserve game is also on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwdjCnrbnmc
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ScottieSuit on July 10, 2020, 07:08:55 AM
Reasonable to think that basketball is not going to happen until the second semester?

https://uaa.prestosports.com/sports/general/2020-21/uaafallstatement

It could be interesting if only conference play is on the table for most schools. Imagine the UAA canceling its conference season because of the geography and logistical nightmare of COVID, and all possible opponents are only playing within their conference.

This is pure speculation, but it might be fun to kick scenarios around so we can maybe have some basketball. I am sure how the UAA handles fall sports will make things moe clear for winter sports.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on July 10, 2020, 09:56:34 AM
Quote from: ScottieSuit on July 10, 2020, 07:08:55 AM
Reasonable to think that basketball is not going to happen until the second semester?

https://uaa.prestosports.com/sports/general/2020-21/uaafallstatement

It could be interesting if only conference play is on the table for most schools. Imagine the UAA canceling its conference season because of the geography and logistical nightmare of COVID, and all possible opponents are only playing within their conference.

This is pure speculation, but it might be fun to kick scenarios around so we can maybe have some basketball. I am sure how the UAA handles fall sports will make things moe clear for winter sports.

Maybe Chicago and Wash U can join the CCIW for basketball season this year?

Could use neutral sites to minimize travel.  For example, the longest trip would be Wash U to Carroll.  So twice in the season, Wash U and Carroll meet in Bloomington...which is an easy, same day bus trip for both. No overnights.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 10, 2020, 10:53:49 AM
I like that idea a lot.

I was kicking around the idea on the soccer board about how they might each play a three game conference schedule, and though that would require an overnight or two, that is possible.

For example, Washington University could drive to Chicago, Emory and Case Western.

In the early days, Washington University would take the train to Columbia and play two games against Mizzou.  Teams could play two games against the same school on consecutive evenings.

The strategy would work well in this scenario for Chicago and Washington University as both already have CCIW games scheduled and would need to add more, depending on when the season begins.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 17, 2020, 12:18:43 PM
Emory is the first UAA school to offer a more sweeping plan for the Fall.

Emory will not offer varsity athletics through January according to the announcement today: http://www.emory.edu/forward/student-experience.html

This tough news for the Fall sport athletes for sure, as it relates to this thread, tough news for what is one of the best basketball senior classes the league has ever seen.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 17, 2020, 01:08:52 PM
Chicago announced similar measures through the end of the autumn semester. #dominoes
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 17, 2020, 03:47:01 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on July 17, 2020, 12:18:43 PM
Emory is the first UAA school to offer a more sweeping plan for the Fall.

Emory will not offer varsity athletics through January according to the announcement today: http://www.emory.edu/forward/student-experience.html

This tough news for the Fall sport athletes for sure, as it relates to this thread, tough news for what is one of the best basketball senior classes the league has ever seen.

I agree with you WUPH.........BUT, the most important thing, given that they were the teams to lose basically the entire season a few months ago is to make sure that we keep, if possible, the spring sports intact.

We've lost the fall at many schools (with more to come) and I'd bet we lose the winter (given that the 2 1/2 months between October 15 and January 1 is quite a chunk of the winter team's schedules)....................the spring teams can't lose a second season (or have a watered down season to accommodate any movement of fall and winter teams).

From March 2020 through what I believe will be February 2021 (if fortunate), each team will have lost one season. I love my football and basketball.........but the spring student athletes deserve a full season, without comprises, if possible, more than an abbreviated winter schedule for the winter student athletes.........and I know that many President's and A.D.'s feel exactly the same way.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on July 17, 2020, 04:44:31 PM
University of Chicago cancels fall sport season for 2020...

https://athletics.uchicago.edu/general/2020-21/releases/20200716m11xzq
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 17, 2020, 05:02:11 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 17, 2020, 03:47:01 PM
BUT, the most important thing, given that they were the teams to lose basically the entire season a few months ago is to make sure that we keep, if possible, the spring sports intact.

...but the spring student athletes deserve a full season, without comprises, if possible, more than an abbreviated winter schedule for the winter student athletes.........and I know that many President's and A.D.'s feel exactly the same way.

Thanks for sharing.

I have not thought much about this, but it is a compelling point.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 19, 2020, 02:47:26 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on July 17, 2020, 05:02:11 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 17, 2020, 03:47:01 PM
BUT, the most important thing, given that they were the teams to lose basically the entire season a few months ago is to make sure that we keep, if possible, the spring sports intact.

...but the spring student athletes deserve a full season, without comprises, if possible, more than an abbreviated winter schedule for the winter student athletes.........and I know that many President's and A.D.'s feel exactly the same way.

Thanks for sharing.

I have not thought much about this, but it is a compelling point.

Thanks my friend. There is so much on the plates of these school administrators right now that there aren't enough hours in the day to get their arms around everything. One A.D. buddy of mine told me it is like bailing water out of a small boat, with a new hole springing up at any point, and seeing something in the distance, coming at you, wondering if it's friend or foe.

I wouldn't want their job(s).!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on September 24, 2020, 06:02:55 PM
Hello all!

Usually I post items about WashU games that I have or will broadcast, or about general observations from other games and events.  However, this post regards a topic that is quite a bit different--with the athletic shoe being on the broadcaster's foot.

I am going to attempt to cover 100 miles in a solo charity ultramarathon through an event that I have organized.  "Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend" will be conducted in the subdivision where I live in St. Charles, MO, to raise awareness and research funds for Rett syndrome.  I get started at 9 a.m. Central on Saturday, October 3 and end at 5 p.m. Sunday, October 4.  Proceeds from the event will be split between Rettsyndrome.org (the only national organization spearheading research and providing resources for affected patients and their families) and the Rett Spectrum Clinic--a collaboration between the WashU School of Medicine and St. Louis Children's Hospital.

Rett syndrome is a rare, non-inherited neurological disorder that is caused by a gene mutation in the brain.  Rett strikes typically when a child is 6-18 months old, and it takes away the child's ability to move and communicate.  Most of them end up in wheelchairs with active minds, but mired in the physical rubble that Rett creates.  And, the neurological damage prevents verbal communication and arm and hand movement for sign language.

In essence, Rett does to a child what Lucy in the "Peanuts" comic strip does to Charlie Brown when he tries to kick the football that she is holding.  The only difference is that Charlie Brown can get back up to try again.  Those who are afflicted with Rett syndrome don't get another chance to enjoy a vibrant life.

If you would like to make a donation to the cause, here is the link to my Rett Racers donation page:  https://rettracer.everydayhero.com/us/rett-gets-rocked-2020

Thanks for your time and consideration, and let's hope that we get back to playing and broadcasting sports much sooner than later!

Jay Murry
Play-By-Play Announcer, Washington University in St. Louis
Event Director, Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 21, 2020, 10:03:20 AM
Brandeis has pulled the plug on all Winter sports.

I want to give one last shout-out to the Brandeis seniors who lived through 1-2 seasons with the previous coach and a dreadful freshmen campaign to post 18 and 17 wins as sophomores and juniors.  The class of 2021 was a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tomt4525 on October 22, 2020, 01:57:03 PM
Wash U has picked up an extremely impressive commitment out of Wisconsin today.  Brookfield East point guard, Hayden Doyle, has committed to join the program.  He had multiple D2 scholarship offers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Caz Bombers on October 27, 2020, 05:16:57 PM
no league games in the UAA.

Carnegie Mellon - still wants to play
Rochester - still wants to play
NYU - no announcement
Wash U - no announcement
Brandeis - out
Emory - out
CWRU - out
Chicago - out (may try to have some swimming and/or ITF)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on October 29, 2020, 06:43:05 PM
Hello UAA friends!

It seems that I have been the only member of the only (unofficial) fall sport at WashU, with my 100-mile ultramarathon attempt earlier this month to promote the fight for a cure during Rett Syndrome Awareness Month.  That attempt fell a bit short in miles and fundraising, so I'm going into overtime to try and reach $5,000 in donations.

Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K will commence Friday, October 30 at 8 pm Central, and end at 8 am Halloween morning.  Counting donations received (thanks to retired WashU men's basketball coach Mark Edwards and his wife Mary, and to Mike McGrath and his  University of Chicago men's basketball program for their donations!) and those yet to be sent and processed, I am at $4,440.53.  Very, very close to my goal...which will fund a researcher's work for a month.  Wouldn't it be cool if he or she cracked the code for a cure of Rett syndrome, on our dime?!

I reached 86 miles in my "Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend" October 3-4.  I'm very proud of that result, but there's more work to be done.  Proceeds from the event will be split between Rettsyndrome.org (the only national organization spearheading research and providing resources for affected patients and their families) and the Rett Spectrum Clinic--a collaboration between the WashU School of Medicine and St. Louis Children's Hospital.

Rett syndrome is a rare, non-inherited neurological disorder that is caused by a gene mutation in the brain.  Rett strikes typically when a child is 6-18 months old, and it has the characteristics of ALS, autism, epilepsy, and Parkinson's...all rolled into one sinister disorder.
It takes away the child's ability to move and communicate.  Most of them end up in wheelchairs with active minds, but mired in the physical rubble that Rett creates.  And, the neurological damage prevents verbal communication and arm and hand movement for sign language.

In essence, Rett does to a child what Lucy in the "Peanuts" comic strip does to Charlie Brown when he tries to kick the football that she is holding.  The only difference is that Charlie Brown can get back up to try again.  Those who are afflicted with Rett syndrome don't get another chance to enjoy a vibrant life.

If you would like to make a donation to the cause, here is the link to my Rett Racers donation page:  https://rettracer.everydayhero.com/us/rett-gets-rocked-2020

Thanks for your time and consideration, and let's hope that we get back to playing and broadcasting sports much sooner than later!

Jay Murry
Play-By-Play Announcer, Washington University in St. Louis
Event Director, Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on November 01, 2020, 03:24:10 PM
Strong commitment for Brandeis:

https://twitter.com/toby_harris2021/status/1322995596261761032?s=21

https://youtu.be/6ZE1ntndcHM
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 04, 2020, 04:03:03 PM
The Emory student newspaper published a story about the cancelled season: https://emorywheel.com/salt-in-the-wound-emory-athletes-mourn-another-lost-uaa-season/

The story indicates that Matthew Schner is taking a gap-semester or gap-year which makes sense given that he was unable to play as a freshman, but my colleague at Emory thinks at least 3 seniors plan to try again in 2020-2021.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 02, 2020, 10:44:25 AM
I wanted to bring to everyone's attention that the the DIII Championships Committee has decided that basketball has to have 60% participation for the NCAA tournament to move forward. That means if 40% or more call off playing, the tournament will pretty much be done.

Roughly that means we need 250 schools to still be playing - or not lose more than about 170.

Currently we have about 60 or so schools who will not be playing: https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2020/11/winter-is-coming-but-who-will-play
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 18, 2020, 01:48:48 PM
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Since March 2020, the NCAA and especially Division III has been on a roller coaster. A ride no one ever predicted or would want to be on. The ride is also not over.

Since March, many in DIII have tried to keep athletics going though through fall seasons the decisions had nearly everyone on the same page. Winter sports have seen more of a multi-pronged approach - depending on the institution, location, type, financial security, mentality, etc., etc., etc.

On this final of a trip of Hoopsville podcasts, we talk to a couple of administrators on the impact the pandemic has made on the division and their institutions. We also talk about different approaches each has taken when it comes to trying to have intercollegiate competition. And we discover why even with the best efforts to move forward, some things are not within one's control.

Yeshiva Athletics Director Joe Bednarsh and Amherst Athletics Director Don Faulstick give us their perspectives in what is a complicated world of restrictions, protocols, testing requirements, and more that are also always changing. Each institution has taken a different path, so far, but it doesn't mean their thinking is all that different. Find out how each is trying to ultimately help student-athletes succeed.

Another place the virus has made a significant impact is to the D3sports.com network (https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/12/d3sports-needs-your-help). Page views are down a whopping 93%! That ginormous decline has also hurt the financial future of the company (https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/12/d3sports-needs-your-help). Editor-in-Chief Pat Coleman joins us to discuss the extremely difficult challenge of keeping the websites up and operational and how asking for help from those who frequent the sites seemed like the best course of action.

Plus, Dave gives another in-depth breakdown of where DIII basketball sits in terms of a season ahead and especially possibility of NCAA Championships. And an update on where Hoopsville sits during an unpredicted challenge in front of everyone.

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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on January 23, 2021, 09:21:36 AM
WUPIFFFFF... at a quick glance, it appears to me that Wash U will not be playing basketball this season... Do you have any knowledge as to how the seniors are going to handle things?   return next year?  graduate and leave?   I see where preseason had them ranked No 11 in country and Jack Nolan an All American.. wondering if this group will ever see the floor again?     Thanks for any info you can  provide....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on January 23, 2021, 10:02:40 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 23, 2021, 09:21:36 AM
WUPIFFFFF... at a quick glance, it appears to me that Wash U will not be playing basketball this season... Do you have any knowledge as to how the seniors are going to handle things?   return next year?  graduate and leave?   I see where preseason had them ranked No 11 in country and Jack Nolan an All American.. wondering if this group will ever see the floor again?     Thanks for any info you can  provide....

About 2 weeks ago I heard from someone close to Wash U MBB who said the Bears are "trying to play some games."

I'm not sure status though.

I've heard Jack Nolan, who has graduated already, will move on after this season...but I cannot confirm that.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on January 23, 2021, 10:06:04 AM
Wash U has a terrific recruiting class in the works.

6-10 Jake Wolf (Lake Forest Academy) is one of the high-level guys coming in.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on January 23, 2021, 12:25:02 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 23, 2021, 10:02:40 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 23, 2021, 09:21:36 AM
WUPIFFFFF... at a quick glance, it appears to me that Wash U will not be playing basketball this season... Do you have any knowledge as to how the seniors are going to handle things?   return next year?  graduate and leave?   I see where preseason had them ranked No 11 in country and Jack Nolan an All American.. wondering if this group will ever see the floor again?     Thanks for any info you can  provide....

About 2 weeks ago I heard from someone close to Wash U MBB who said the Bears are "trying to play some games."

I'm not sure status though.

I've heard Jack Nolan, who has graduated already, will move on after this season...but I cannot confirm that.

I've really lost touch, but what a shame for Nolan.......
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 23, 2021, 01:53:06 PM
I was told that WashU was trying to find games, but clearly they will struggle with the landscape around them. If the NCAA tourneys do take place (very doubtful), neither of them would qualify.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 23, 2021, 02:57:17 PM
I am not sure if Washington University has been cleared to play games, though my information is a few weeks old.

Maybe they can play 2-3 games against Greenville, lol.

Jack Nolan was sure to become the third leading scorer of all-time and had may well have surpassed Kevin Suiter as the leading scorer in program history. 

If only they could schedule 20 games against the Panthers.

As I said privately to others, I think Nolan showed so much ability in aspects other than shooting last season that I hope he plays somewhere and then goes overseas to play.

I do think the only other senior on the roster would have become a #d3hoops household name as well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2021, 07:19:35 PM
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On the first video-version of Hoopsville this season, Dave McHugh is joined by much of the D3hoops.com crew, Pat Coleman and Ryan Scott, to react to what has been one of the more unique seasons ... to say it lightly.

We react to the challenges schools are facing, what coaches are grappling with on a daily basis - especially beyond games and practices, and why schools are making so many different decisions.

We also discuss what is likely the future of this season's NCAA Championship Tournaments and, more importantly, when the decision on those tournaments will be made.

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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 14, 2021, 09:01:49 PM
Rochester appears to have played their final game of the season after recognizing Kailan Lee as part of the senior day activities.  Unfortunately, Lee lost his freshman year and part of his sophomore year to injury.

No mention of Trent Noordsij or Ryan Algier so they must be planning to return for a 5th season.

The Yellowjackets finished the season 4-2 and 4-1 against Division III teams.

Hard to believe that one of the New York teams would be the only UAA team to play this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on March 14, 2021, 10:28:41 PM
Jack Nolan getting a lot of good D1 interest...

https://247sports.com/Article/Basketball-recruiting-Washington-University-Jack-Nolan-162235125/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 16, 2021, 08:49:40 AM
Thomas Kurowski  6-4 G  Sturgis, Michigan will attend Chicago

https://www.mlive.com/highschoolsports/2021/01/sturgis-all-state-guard-thomas-kurowski-makes-college-hoops-commitment.html
One publication had him #11 in Michigan, which is probably a little high, but he's top 50 easily.

Dad played at Notre Dame, recently broke the school scoring record mentioned in the article above with 44 last Wed, has also grown out his hair.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on April 16, 2021, 08:52:39 AM
Middlebury senior PG Griffin Kornaker (9.3 ppg, 4.5 apg) will play at Case Western Reserve as a grad transfer next season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on April 17, 2021, 08:22:59 AM
Dan Masino - a 6-2 G at Hobart (12.6 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 3.3 apg in '19-20) - is grad transferring to Rochester.  Was 2nd Team All-Liberty in '19-20.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on April 25, 2021, 03:56:15 PM
My conversation with Todd McGuinness, Head MBB Coach at Case Western Reserve.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZjEgiUGSqI


0:00​ Case Western Reserve U.
7:31​ Recruiting
16:32​ The building process at Case
25:00​ UAA travel and experience
27:56​ Playing at D3 Bethany
29:52​ Facing Jeff Gibbs/Otterbein 2002
32:25​ Getting into coaching
34:05​ First head job at Hartwick; success at Hartwick
38:05​ Deciding to leave for Case
39:27​ Not playing in 2020-21
41:45​ D3 roster impacts from the pandemic; impact on HS seniors
44:32​ Current roster and returners
49:50​ UAA 2021-22; roster questions
54:27​ Good to great
57:18​ Final thoughts
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 26, 2021, 09:49:09 AM
Nice interview.  You are more optimistic about the Spartans than I am.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on April 27, 2021, 10:33:14 AM
Another Wash U. recruit, G Kyle Beedon, I don't think he has been mentioned before.  Seems like a loaded class for Wash U:

https://twitter.com/gocampbellhall/status/1362841108401643523
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on April 28, 2021, 12:26:14 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/writingillini.com/2021/04/27/illinois-basketball-illini-eyeing-diii-transfer-three-point-specialist/amp/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 29, 2021, 12:21:00 PM
Quote from: sac on March 16, 2021, 08:49:40 AM
Thomas Kurowski  6-4 G  Sturgis, Michigan will attend Chicago

https://www.mlive.com/highschoolsports/2021/01/sturgis-all-state-guard-thomas-kurowski-makes-college-hoops-commitment.html
One publication had him #11 in Michigan, which is probably a little high, but he's top 50 easily.

Dad played at Notre Dame, recently broke the school scoring record mentioned in the article above with 44 last Wed, has also grown out his hair.

Thomas was named Division 1 first team All-State in Michigan today.  A pretty great place for a D3 recruit, I can't think of any off-hand that went straight to D3.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on April 30, 2021, 08:50:57 AM
Romin Williams returning at Emory...

https://twitter.com/rominwilliams/status/1387839380451217413?s=20
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on May 02, 2021, 12:56:38 PM
Tommy Eastman (Middlebury) will be a grad transfer at Brandeis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 03, 2021, 01:12:23 PM
I have said it before and I'll say it again, the Jean Bain-era story is remarkable.

Players leaving early for years before the problems become a national embarrassment for the program and the institution. 

Then Coach Bain is hired and two seasons later, players are staying for a 5th season.

Lots of respect for the guys who stuck it out (and honestly, for the guys who moved on)...

I think we need a Brandeis Q-cast whether player or coach.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tomt4525 on May 27, 2021, 09:45:05 PM
On his Twitter account, Jack Nolan announced that he is returning to Wash U for a 4th season.

He was accepted into a Masters program along with being given an academic merit scholarship.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 27, 2021, 10:28:02 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on June 18, 2021, 06:36:57 AM
6-7 C Brian Hines, a recent graduate at F&M, will be a grad transfer at CWRU.

9.3 ppg, 5.5 rpg, .601 FG in 2019-20.  Should be an impact player for the Spartans.

https://www.godiplomats.com/sports/m-baskbl/2020-21/bios/hines_brian_luzp
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 22, 2021, 04:27:02 PM
Rochester may be the first UAA team to post a full schedule: https://uofrathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule

I find it interesting to see when the anticipated front runners will play and here is what we know so far.

Rochester gets an early advantage in playing host to Emory, then Chicago and Washington University on the following Friday and Sunday.  They will then host Brandeis on the Sunday before the turn in the schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 29, 2021, 10:54:34 AM
Former North Park basketball player and assistant coach Mark Pytel and former North Park soccer player Chris Sitowski have a podcast called The Sit and Py Show that's available on YouTube, in which the two of them talk about Chicago sports and typically have guests on their show that reflect some aspect of Chicago sports. Some of their guests have been very interesting -- last month Sit and Py interviewed former Chicago high school football standout Keena Turner, who followed up a great career at Purdue with eleven seasons spent at linebacker for the San Francisco 49ers, where he won four Super Bowl rings and currently serves as one of the organization's vice-presidents. And back in April they interviewed three of the legends of 1970s Chicago high school basketball: Levi Cobb, Cleo Franklin, and Steve Krafcisin.

I don't know why I didn't post this earlier, but back at the end of January they interviewed Chicago head coach Mike McGrath. It's a very entertaining and informative 35 minutes in which you can really get a feel for what it's like to coach basketball at a UAA school, how recruiting works in that league, how his team coped with an entire season lost to COVID-19, and the rewards and drawbacks of a coaching career spent at the University of Chicago. It's well worth your time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tylMwWP1_0g

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 29, 2021, 12:49:34 PM
Thanks for sharing.

Coach McGrath has a completely different energy than Coach Zimmerman who was also featured in a podcast recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvmwzDE3070

Incidentally, Chicago is going to be one of the most unknown quantities heading in to next season.

Hopkins, Munson and Martin played 20, 12 and 15 minutes per game off the bench.

It is going to be hard to predict where Chicago, NYU and Carnegie Mellon will finish.

I guess I would say the same about Emory, Washington University and Brandeis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 02, 2021, 11:02:08 AM
I was thinking about my previous post.

NYU has announced their freshmen class, but they return only one player who scored in double figures from from the team that went 1-13 in league play in 2019-2020.  NYU needed to bring an big time transfer or two to avoid being picked last in the preseason poll.

Carnegie Mellon played an abbreviated season in 2021 and graduated Miller, Krempa, Watson and Weiss.  They did get some quality play from freshman RJ Holmes who had two big games to start the season.  Sophomores Nick Nikasian and Sean Oberman also looked good.

My predictions for the bottom of the league...

Case Western Reserve
Carnegie Mellon
Chicago
NYU
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 02, 2021, 11:26:52 AM
I'll go ahead and try the entire league...

As with two seasons ago, Emory and Washington University are evenly matched with Brandeis in the mix. 

Emory
Washington University (tied)
Brandeis
Rochester
Case Western Reserve
Carnegie Mellon
Chicago
NYU
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: PauldingLightUP on July 14, 2021, 02:22:04 PM
Anyone any reason why Carnegie Mellon is playing Sunday conference home games at Chatham University this season?

https://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 14, 2021, 02:25:09 PM
Quote from: PauldingLightUP on July 14, 2021, 02:22:04 PM
Anyone any reason why Carnegie Mellon is playing Sunday conference home games at Chatham University this season?

https://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule

There's a few December games at Duquesne, too.  Since its not every home game, it must be a scheduling issue.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 14, 2021, 02:48:57 PM
Skibo is under renovation which may well be a factor.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on September 30, 2021, 01:47:47 PM
UAA MBB preseason poll (as voted on by the coaches):

1. Emory (5), 52
2. WashU (2), 45
3. Brandeis (1), 40
4. Rochester 28
5. CWRU 25
6. Chicago 22
7. Carnegie Mellon 11
8. NYU 9
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 30, 2021, 03:44:52 PM
That is how I would have voted except that I had Carnegie Mellon above Chicago.

I was impressed by 2-3 of the underclassman who played well for the Tartans in their abbreviated Spring season so I am sure I am biased there.

Both programs lost so much since 2019-2020.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 01, 2021, 08:28:11 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on September 30, 2021, 01:47:47 PM
UAA MBB preseason poll (as voted on by the coaches):

1. Emory (5), 52
2. WashU (2), 45
3. Brandeis (1), 40
4. Rochester 28
5. CWRU 25
6. Chicago 22
7. Carnegie Mellon 11
8. NYU 9

It will be interesting to see the impact of the transfers for CWRU
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 01, 2021, 02:13:48 PM
How many transfers are we talking about?  Case Western is another program that lost so much over the past two years, but obviously the returning core of Frilling, Newton and Faller et al look good.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 01, 2021, 02:36:31 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 01, 2021, 02:13:48 PM
How many transfers are we talking about?  Case Western is another program that lost so much over the past two years, but obviously the returning core of Frilling, Newton and Faller et al look good.

I know Griffin Kornaker is there as a grad transfer from Middlebury. I think they may have a couple others.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 02, 2021, 03:41:52 PM
also Brian Hines F&M
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 04, 2021, 09:46:51 AM
Thanks guys. 

That certainly bodes well for Case Western and for the league.



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on October 16, 2021, 12:56:58 PM
Big commitment for Brandeis, Jake Bender, the top ranked player in Rhode Island:

https://twitter.com/jakebender15/status/1449163297958268938?s=21
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 20, 2021, 01:35:23 PM
Another Grad transfer for CWRU this one from D1 Mercer

https://mercerbears.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/mitch-prendergast/7563

CWRU starts the season Oct 30 with an Exhibition with Cleveland State.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 20, 2021, 03:36:54 PM
Looks like UAA fans will get at least two October games with UChicago playing Hope on October 29, 2021 in an exhibition game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 20, 2021, 09:58:45 PM
I had mistakenly understood Lawrence Rowley to be returning for Emory.

Emory loses both Rowley and Davet and their combined 50 minutes, 28 points and 12 rebounds per game.  Rowley was the UAA defensive player of the year.  Davet was a stretch 4 who at 6-7 shot 50/41/88.

That is lot of talent to lose, though guys like Mason Johnson and Greg Lawrence could certainly play bigger roles.

Emory did pick up JJ Halaby who was an NJCAA All-American as a freshman at the two year Emory-Oxford College but does not appear to have played since.

The roster: https://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/roster
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: PoppersMacsLive on October 21, 2021, 10:13:14 AM
I was also under that impression—from back in March:

Quote from: WUPHF on March 19, 2021, 12:29:45 AM
You got all that from a reaction to a conversation with Mike Schauer?

In regards to Emory, they have 8 seniors so 5 is substantial, but not enough to keep them out of contention for the UAA.

I heard Rowley, Schner, Stuck, and Williams back with a relatively recent confirmation.

No way Rochester gets picked 5th, but as I said a year ago, they were not going to be a serious threat for the UAA championship in 2020-2021.  They went 1-5 against the top 3 teams last season. 

Rochester is a good team with a very good coach, but they are down from where they were a few years ago.  They are losing a talented point guard, though his back-up looked good in games this season.

Rowley not being back, that's a huge hit. Looking at the Top 25 voter info sheet on top teams, I totally missed that. That helps explain why Emory is 13 in the poll. Knowing this, I'd have them at 8 (not 4, where I originally had them).

Quote from: WUPHF on October 20, 2021, 09:58:45 PM
I had mistakenly understood Lawrence Rowley to be returning for Emory.

Emory loses both Rowley and Davet and their combined 50 minutes, 28 points and 12 rebounds per game.  Rowley was the UAA defensive player of the year.  Davet was a stretch 4 who at 6-7 shot 50/41/88.

That is lot of talent to lose, though guys like Mason Johnson and Greg Lawrence could certainly play bigger roles.

Emory did pick up JJ Halaby who was an NJCAA All-American as a freshman at the two year Emory-Oxford College but does not appear to have played since.

The roster: https://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/roster
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 21, 2021, 01:08:20 PM
And maybe why Emory received 5 of the 8 first-place vote among the coaches.  The league race is going to be fun.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: stlawus on October 21, 2021, 03:10:06 PM
UR did get Dan Masino to transfer as a grad student who when healthy was the best point guard in the Liberty League.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 21, 2021, 03:54:22 PM
That is correct, Dan Masino is listed on the 2021-2022 roster which was posted a few weeks ago: https://uofrathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 22, 2021, 07:40:42 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 21, 2021, 01:08:20 PM
And maybe why Emory received 5 of the 8 first-place vote among the coaches.  The league race is going to be fun.

Was there a poll released publicly?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on October 22, 2021, 07:59:56 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on September 30, 2021, 01:47:47 PM
UAA MBB preseason poll (as voted on by the coaches):

1. Emory (5), 52
2. WashU (2), 45
3. Brandeis (1), 40
4. Rochester 28
5. CWRU 25
6. Chicago 22
7. Carnegie Mellon 11
8. NYU 9

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 22, 2021, 07:40:42 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 21, 2021, 01:08:20 PM
And maybe why Emory received 5 of the 8 first-place vote among the coaches.  The league race is going to be fun.

Was there a poll released publicly?

Titan Q was privy to get this information, but I do not see this coaches poll on the University Athletic Association website.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 22, 2021, 08:12:37 AM

I believe one of the schools shared it on twitter.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 22, 2021, 09:01:24 AM
Thanks. Obviously I missed that post and I had checked the conference page before posting. I guess I could've just scrolled back a page or two too.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 31, 2021, 10:49:59 AM
CWRU lost to Cleveland St. yesterday 100-56. It was 41-35 at the half. The three grad transfers Hines, Kornacker, and Prendergrast (or is it -gast? It was -gast on Mercer's site.) all started along with Faller and Frilling. Frilling and Newton lead Spartan scoring with 11 each and lead in boards with 7 each. Both teams appeared to nearly cleared the benches. Spartans only shot FTs 55%, perhaps as a result of playing in a large arena.

https://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20211030qx05v3
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 05, 2021, 04:48:17 AM
Basketball season starts today with Carnegie Mellon opening up at 5 PM Eastern in the first round of Hood College's tip-off tournament in Frederick, MD, when the Tartans take on preseason #1 Randolph-Macon.

Also on the docket, the NYU men open up on their non-conference home court in Brooklyn (capacity 100 spectators-- access severely restricted due to COVID-19 to fully vaccinated members of the NYU community (NYU alumni cannot attend in-person; it is just fully vaccinated students, faculty, staff, and administrators) and 2 fully vaccinated family members of each NYU basketball player (NYU must be given at least 5 days notice if family members of NYU players are intending to attend the games in person).  All permitted spectators must be fully vaccinated and wear masks at all times. 

NYU will be playing Mount St. Vincent in NYU's Brooklyn Athletic Facility at 7 PM. 

Carnegie Mellon has also announced the home court for all of their basketball games this season (conference and non-conference).  Due to Skibo Gym being renovated this season, and also because of COVID-19 restrictions on who can attend indoor events at Carnegie Mellon, all Tartan home basketball games will be played on campus at Wiegand Gymnasium in the Cohon University Center.

Wiegand Gymnasium has a capacity of 50 spectators, and access will also be severely restricted due to COVID-19 with the same-type policy that NYU is using.

(1)  Only fully vaccinated Carnegie Mellon students, faculty, administrators, and staff-- as well as 2 fully vaccinated family members of Carnegie Mellon student athletes will be permitted to attend Carnegie Mellon home basketball games in-person.  No one on the visiting team outside of the official travel party will be permitted inside Wiegand Gym.

Carnegie Mellon alumni are not permitted to attend the home basketball games in-person unless otherwise notified-- they must watch the home games on streaming video and live stats.

So, most of us will be watching Carnegie Mellon and NYU home basketball games on live stats and streaming video this season.

NYU will be playing the UAA home games at the Sportsplex at Hunter College starting in January.




Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 05, 2021, 06:44:27 PM
I have to tell you, there is nothing more frustrating to watch than to have a Hood College SID not care about their live stats not working for the first game of their own tip-off tournament between a preseason #1 and a team from the UAA that one would think that at least some neutral fans in DIII would be watching.

Then, to top it off, the live video automatically signs off with 2 minutes left to go in regulation and Randolph Macon leading over Carnegie Mellon 65-53, because Hood deliberately preset the live Boxcast stream of the first game to automatically cut out at 6:30 PM Eastern so to switch over to their live stream of Wilson vs Hood, the second game, which they preset their live stream to start at 6:30 PM Eastern as well.  The second stream doesn't sign on when the first cut out.

Hood College really screwed up big time royally on this one..... >:(
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 05, 2021, 07:18:31 PM
^^^ I wondered what had happened there at the end of the game. But I kept hoping they would get it fixed and they did, so I was able to watch the final minute. I didn't know about the problem with the live stats. The screen graphic showing the score, time left in the game and on the shot clock was pretty iffy and intermittent. but the announcers were pretty good about mentioning the score.

Gotta say that I expected a bit more from national pre-season #1 R-MC given that CMU is picked 7th in the UAA. R-MC got off to a slow start both offensively and defensively, falling behind 10-0, but settled in, took a 25-23 halftime lead and started the second half on a 13-0 run. CMU played well the rest of the half and cut the lead to 6 with 47 seconds left before the game ended at 70-61 R-MC. Could be that the Tartans will be a surprise in the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 05, 2021, 09:07:23 PM
Not that it matters, but I had Carnegie Mellon as a preseason No. 6, having watched most of their abbreviated Spring 2022 season.  I expect them to finish no higher than 6th, but I do think they could improve upon their 4-10 record from two seasons ago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 05, 2021, 09:28:20 PM
^^^ I value your perspective on UAA teams. Did you happen to catch any of the game and if so what were your observations?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 06, 2021, 05:20:54 AM
I got to finally watch the final 90 seconds of the Carnegie Mellon vs Randolph-Macon game last night.  Those 90 seconds were at the beginning of the live stream of the Wilson vs Hood game.

I also checked the box score.  Carnegie Mellon shot 18 of 19 from the charity stripe last night for a 94% FT shooting percentage. and outscored Randolph-Macon, 18-6, from the foul line.  If the Tartans can consistently shoot 80 percent or better from the foul line each game, then Carnegie Mellon can definitely exceed expectations in the UAA.  As WUPHF noted, the UAA preseason poll picked Carnegie Mellon to finish in 6th 7th place in the UAA at the end of the season.  However, Carnegie Mellon cannot be expected to shoot 90 percent or better from the charity stripe every game.

Of note-- In the second half, while Randolph-Macon shot 62% from the field to take a big lead, Carnegie Mellon was able to chip away at that lead with a perfect 13 of 13 shooting performance from the charity stripe.  In the second half, the Tartans outscored Randolph-Macon, 13-3, at the foul line.

Coach Wingen did have the Tartans ready for the first game test, and the UAA will be a battle every night come January.

I look forward to see how Emory does vs Randolph-Macon in a few weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 06, 2021, 09:51:10 AM
Not that it matters, but someone posted the results of the UAA preseason coaches poll on the previous page and it shows Carnegie Mellon as #7 with 11 points, behind #6 Chicago (22 points) and ahead of #8 NYU (9 points).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 06, 2021, 10:15:54 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on November 06, 2021, 09:51:10 AM
Not that it matters, but someone posted the results of the UAA preseason coaches poll on the previous page and it shows Carnegie Mellon as #7 with 11 points, behind #6 Chicago (22 points) and ahead of #8 NYU (9 points).

Corrected my previous post.  Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 06, 2021, 11:08:05 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on November 05, 2021, 09:28:20 PM
^^^ I value your perspective on UAA teams. Did you happen to catch any of the game and if so what were your observations?

Thanks! Unfortunately, I had to work so I missed the game.

I did go to the Chicago roster to ponder the question of why the coaches had the Maroons at No. 6 and I did notice that they added former Case Western Reserve guard Ignas Masiulionis to the roster. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 06, 2021, 12:00:45 PM
^^^ I always hated it when work interfered with basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 07, 2021, 08:14:12 PM
I was able to watch the exhibition between Emory and Division II Georgia Southwestern.

Emory led 20-6 in the first half, but Georgia reeled them in pulled out the 101-99 win.  Emory missed on a free-throw which would have tied the game with 0:05 left.

Matthew Schner finished with 31 points, 15 rebounds and 6 assists.

Greg Lawrence and Mason Johnson did start as expected with support from freshmen Cale Martens and Logan Shanahan who looked very good in limited play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 09, 2021, 01:19:09 PM
Here are some updates about Rochester broadcasts:

(1)  JC DeLass no longer works for WYSL NewsTalk 1040 AM in Rochester, and WYSL does not have a contract to cover Rochester games.

Therefore, JC DeLass will not be travellng with the Rochester basketball teams for away UAA games this season.

(2)  However, JC DeLass is doing PBP and commentary for all Rochester men's and women's basketball home games on Rochester's All-Access streaming service.  Rochester has reinstituted their pay per view access for all Rochester home games-- the monthly fee is $10.95 per month, or you can buy a 1 day pass for $7.95.  If you suscribe to the monthly access, you can cancel the subscription at any time.

J.C. DeLass's new plan to call action for Rochester home basketball games (http://www.uofrathletics.com/news/2021/9/2/football-ur-ready-to-kick-off-2021-with-j-c-delass-calling-the-action.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 09, 2021, 01:40:19 PM
I have friends who are U of R alumni. Nevertheless, my opinion of the school is strongly negative, and it's all because of that stupid paywall. There's absolutely no excuse for it.

Nickel-and-diming people who want to watch your games when your school is richer than Croesus is not a good look.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 09, 2021, 01:56:58 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 09, 2021, 01:40:19 PM
I have friends who are U of R alumni. Nevertheless, my opinion of the school is strongly negative, and it's all because of that stupid paywall. There's absolutely no excuse for it.

Nickel-and-diming people who want to watch your games when your school is richer than Croesus is not a good look.

I do agree, however, other than the price, the streaming service has improved over the past 2 years.  Now, you can at least rewind back on the stream now to a place in the game that you missed.

A lot of DIII colleges and universities, including NYU, use this same service, but do not charge for it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 10, 2021, 06:21:03 AM
Rochester's #45, preseason AA Ryan Algier, is expected to miss most of the non-conference slate due to an off-season knee injury.  He is still out of action for at least all of November, and maybe most of December, but should be ready for the UAA conference season in January.

This information courtesy of JC DeLass, which he delivered in his "10 Minutes to tipoff" segment last night prior to Rochester's opener vs Geneseo State.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 10, 2021, 07:52:00 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on November 10, 2021, 06:21:03 AM
Rochester's #45, preseason AA Ryan Algier, is expected to miss most of the non-conference slate due to an off-season knee injury.  He is still out of action for at least all of November, and maybe most of December, but should be ready for the UAA conference season in January.

This information courtesy of JC DeLass, which he delivered in his "10 Minutes to tipoff" segment last night prior to Rochester's opener vs Geneseo State.

That's good news. The last I heard, they were iffy for January. Glad to hear they're optimistic.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 10, 2021, 08:30:32 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 10, 2021, 07:52:00 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on November 10, 2021, 06:21:03 AM
Rochester's #45, preseason AA Ryan Algier, is expected to miss most of the non-conference slate due to an off-season knee injury.  He is still out of action for at least all of November, and maybe most of December, but should be ready for the UAA conference season in January.

This information courtesy of JC DeLass, which he delivered in his "10 Minutes to tipoff" segment last night prior to Rochester's opener vs Geneseo State.

That's good news. The last I heard, they were iffy for January. Glad to hear they're optimistic.

Yes.  JC DeLass did say "likely for January" with regards to Ryan Algier.  Nevertheless, Rochester is a very strong, deep team this year even without their pre-season All-American, so they should do fine with their non-conference slate.   
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 11, 2021, 09:20:19 PM
Great to watch the Brandeis men back on the court again with an opening night win over Rivier, 97-71.   This was the return game of a series from 2 years ago, when Brandeis won at Rivier back in the 2019-20 season.  I watched the game on-line tonight listening as Jonah White and Jesse Lieberman gave commentary on the game.

Career high 22 pts for Nolan Hagerty, and Tommy Eastman with 15 points.  Brandeis scored 97 points on the night and beat Rivier by 26 points despite the fact that Chandler Jones and Colin Sawyer only scored a combined 15 points tonight.

Rivier in the second half made it as close as 9 points before their top player, Pharoah Davis, fouled out with about 15 minutes still to go in the ballgame.

Brandeis did fine on FG percentage defense tonight, limiting the Raiders to 36.8% shooting while Brandeis shot 52.7% from the floor. 

DI transfer Terrell Brown scored 12 points tonight in his Brandeis debut.

Now I have to wait until next Thursday before Brandeis makes the short trip to play at Emerson.  The Brandeis women play at Emerson next Tuesday, while the men's game will be 2 days later.

The New England Big 4 Challenge in a few weeks at Brandeis should be one of the more memorable runnings of this tournament.

Brandeis will also be playing at UMass-Boston after Thanksgiving as part of what the Beacons named the "Black Coaches Classic".  Tufts and Lesley will play the first game at UMass-Boston before the Judges and Beacons play in the nightcap.

Next Brandeis home game will be on the Tuesday before Thanksgiving vs UMass-Dartmouth.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 12, 2021, 07:54:41 AM
I just watched an on-demand replay of last night's Emory vs Piedmont game on Piedmont's Youtube channel (a/k/a Mane Event Broadcasting Network), and of course, Piedmont's commentary team always gives fun and interesting commentary.  (And of course, the Piedmont team gave a shout-out to Ryan Scott in the second half.) 

Emory wins their opener, a hard-fought competitive game over the Piedmont Lions, 78-64.  Piedmont will be battling Maryville (TN) this season for the USA South West Division crown, and maybe a USA South conference title overall--depending on how the East Division does this season.

Cale Martens from the Dallas/Fort Worth, TX area came off the bench and, in his college debut, led all Emory scorers with a 18 point, 7 rebound performance in 22 minutes of action-- Not to mention at least one dunk in the second half. 

Matthew Schner led the Emory starters with 17 points and 6 rebounds.  Nick Stuck, another Emory starter, scored 13 points and grabbed 4 boards.

Emory will not be in action until next Friday, when they face the preseason #1 Randolph-Macon Yellow Jackets.

All 8 men's UAA teams have now taken the court.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 12, 2021, 08:00:09 AM
What some people may have missed on Wednesday, with Jack Nolan's "great escape" buzzer beater that enabled Wash U to escape the upset of the early season vs Millikin, was that Carnegie Mellon sophomore RJ Holmes scored 43 points in the Tartans's 103-102 OT win vs La Roche.  The 43 points by Holmes is the most points scored by a Tartan in an individual game in the DIII era and ties a program-record last set in the 1957-58 season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 12, 2021, 10:31:01 AM
A mere 43 points seems like a low single-game record for a school that's been playing basketball for as long as Carnegie Mellon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 12, 2021, 10:35:28 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 12, 2021, 10:31:01 AM
A mere 43 points seems like a low single-game record for a school that's been playing basketball for as long as Carnegie Mellon.

Historically speaking, the Scots are a football school.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: thebear on November 12, 2021, 08:04:01 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 12, 2021, 10:31:01 AM
A mere 43 points seems like a low single-game record for a school that's been playing basketball for as long as Carnegie Mellon.

Interestingly, 43 is also the single game record at Potsdam, held by Steve Babiarz in 1988.  Another team with a long history.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 12, 2021, 08:37:42 PM
Quote from: thebear on November 12, 2021, 08:04:01 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 12, 2021, 10:31:01 AM
A mere 43 points seems like a low single-game record for a school that's been playing basketball for as long as Carnegie Mellon.

Interestingly, 43 is also the single game record at Potsdam, held by Steve Babiarz in 1988.  Another team with a long history.

That's even weirder. It's hard to believe that Leroy Witherspoon, for one, never put up 43 in a game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue_jays on November 17, 2021, 03:28:04 PM
After nearly losing to Millikin, then getting beat by Webster, is it almost time to worry about WashU?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2021, 05:56:42 PM
Let's wait until the Bears are healthy before we assess them. That is, if the two injured players come back anytime soon and are close enough to 100% to make a difference.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 18, 2021, 12:23:58 AM
It is a fair question, but I remain convinced that going 600 or more days without a meaningful game is going to affect the early season performance of a team.

It easy to forget, given the circumstances, but the majority of Division III teams, including 19 of 25 teams in the Top 25 had Spring 2021 seasons and played a game 7-8 months ago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 18, 2021, 09:02:12 PM
Tufts knows what I am thinking about. Brandeis too.
———-
Just kidding. I know nothing of their opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 18, 2021, 10:40:14 PM

Tufts is missing an All American, not sure about Brandeis.  Neither Suffolk nor Emerson are weak teams, but these are both pretty surprising losses.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: SpringSt7 on November 18, 2021, 10:48:33 PM
Insanely small sample size, I know, but Tufts in their first half with Rogers did not look great either, down 50-39 to an admittedly good UMass Dartmouth team that was playing their 5th game. Maybe Rogers is dealing with a nagging thing that he aggravated and wasn't 100% to begin with but I don't know how much better they would be with him. Defense is not his strong suit and they look porous at all 5 positions on that end of the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on November 19, 2021, 08:18:30 AM
Quote from: SpringSt7 on November 18, 2021, 10:48:33 PM
Insanely small sample size, I know, but Tufts in their first half with Rogers did not look great either, down 50-39 to an admittedly good UMass Dartmouth team that was playing their 5th game. Maybe Rogers is dealing with a nagging thing that he aggravated and wasn't 100% to begin with but I don't know how much better they would be with him. Defense is not his strong suit and they look porous at all 5 positions on that end of the floor.

Yes, Luke Rodgers played the 1st half and started the 2nd.  When he checked out for good with 18:17 to play, Tufts was down 58-42.

Tufts lost the game with Rodgers on the floor, basically.  It'd be misleading to suggest they lost because he played limited minutes. 

https://www.littleeast.tv/umassd/?B=319034
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 19, 2021, 10:35:07 AM
I do think Webster could work their way out of the weak team category this season.  Especially after the non-conference schedule they have ahead.

It is hard to say as they are 1-1 against non-scholarship, Division III teams, but they have a few freshmen and sophomores (including one that missed the first game, but featured heavily in the game on Tuesday) that look very good.  I have only watched a few SLIAC games so far, but Webster played the best game I have seen.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2021, 12:32:09 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on November 19, 2021, 08:18:30 AM
Quote from: SpringSt7 on November 18, 2021, 10:48:33 PM
Insanely small sample size, I know, but Tufts in their first half with Rogers did not look great either, down 50-39 to an admittedly good UMass Dartmouth team that was playing their 5th game. Maybe Rogers is dealing with a nagging thing that he aggravated and wasn't 100% to begin with but I don't know how much better they would be with him. Defense is not his strong suit and they look porous at all 5 positions on that end of the floor.

Yes, Luke Rodgers played the 1st half and started the 2nd.  When he checked out for good with 18:17 to play, Tufts was down 58-42.

Tufts lost the game with Rodgers on the floor, basically.  It'd be misleading to suggest they lost because he played limited minutes. 

https://www.littleeast.tv/umassd/?B=319034

He didn't look like himself at all, though.  I suspect he came into the season less than 100%.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 19, 2021, 12:42:08 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 18, 2021, 10:40:14 PM

Tufts is missing an All American, not sure about Brandeis.  Neither Suffolk nor Emerson are weak teams, but these are both pretty surprising losses.

Brandeis is healthy.  You can't blame the Brandeis loss vs Emerson last night on missing a key player.  Emerson really played very well last night, and Brandeis did not play well enough on the defensive end.  Allowing an opposing team to shoot 50% from the field is not going to win you many ball games.

To be fair, if you took a look at the past 2 Brandeis v Emerson games (2018-19 and 2019-2020 seasons) before the one that was played this week, each game was very close with Brandeis winning by 3 (75-72 at Emerson) and 2 point (76-74 at Brandeis) margins respectively.  I did not watch last night's game live on the Emerson Channel Sports Youtube channel, but I just finished watching an on-demand replay of the game.  Emerson has one of the better productions of a DIII broadcast--  if anything, Emerson has at least 5 camera angles of the court that allow close-ups of the players as well as replay capability.  It is very similar to an ESPN+ production if students were running the equipment rather than older professional sportscasters.  I do not find this surprising, as Emerson is a top school to go to if people want to learn sports broadcasting.

I found it somewhat surprising that Emerson was able to pull away in the second quarter to take a 19 point lead going into the locker room at halftime, but not too shocked at the fact that an Emerson team with 4 seniors who played in the NCAA DIII tournament as first year players (Emerson won the NEWMAC AQ in the 2018-19 season) would be capable of beating Brandeis this week, especially given how the last 2 meetings played out.  Emerson tends to match up well with Brandeis and has an excellent coach in Bill Curley.  Back in my Brandeis student days, I went to Conte Forum a few times to watch Curley play at Boston College in a few Big East conference games. 

As far as Suffolk goes, Jeff Juron has already shown that he can beat a Jean Bain coached Brandeis team in the past.  Tufts is just the next step, IMO.

Emerson is definitely going to be in the race this season for the NEWMAC AQ.  Suffolk may be in the hunt for the CCC AQ as well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 23, 2021, 08:59:28 PM
Brandeis bounced back from the tough loss last week at Emerson with a quality win over previously undefeated UMass-Dartmouth this evening.  Judges won, 76-68.

Big news this evening is that Collin Sawyer became the 34th men's basketball player to join the Brandeis 1,000 point club today with a made 3 pointer with 4:43 left to go in the game.  He led all Brandeis scorers with 24 points for the game, and currently stands at 1,004 career points. 

Nolan Hagerty had a double-double with 18 points and 13 rebounds.

Dylan Lien got his first start of the season in place of Tommy Eastman.  Lien had 13 points and 3 assists.  Eastman came off the bench with 12 points, 8 rebounds, and 4 assists.

I could not watch the game live as my synagogue had a congregation business meeting this evening, but I did watch the second half on replay (The Brandeis/UMass-Dartmouth game replay is probably only up on Boxcast for this evening only-- Brandeis does not store their basketball games on on-demand replay for very long.)

I am very glad to have Jonah White back calling the Brandeis men's basketball action after listening to him call the NCAA DIII Women's Soccer Tournament from MIT for 2 straight weekends-- with the addition of the NEWMAC Women's Soccer Tournament, Jonah White has been calling the entire MIT Women's Soccer playoff run in addition to calling both Wesleyan women's soccer games at MIT over the past weekend. 

According to the post-game interview with Coach Jean Bain this evening (or at least, how I interpreted his comments), Brandeis did not play with enough toughness and grit at Emerson last week.  The Judges got tough and played gritty this evening vs the Corsairs, and that made the difference today.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 27, 2021, 02:01:28 PM
6-1 Case Western Reserve is leading John Carroll, 70-53 with over 15 minutes left in the game.  The Spartans are 14-20 from three point range and 29-45 overall.  John Carroll is 5-19 from the perimeter.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 27, 2021, 04:12:34 PM
Case Western Reserve, 111
John Carroll, 82

Live the three, die by the three...
Spartans shoot 17-29
Blue Streaks shoot 8-31
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 28, 2021, 11:00:46 PM
The UAA went 11-0 this weekend after accumulating 12 losses in previous weeks.

It seems more clear as the season progresses that teams who did not play in the Spring 2021 needed time to get back to regular season form.  They are mostly doing just that.

Just looking at the Massey Ratings...

In 2018-2019, there were only four UAA teams in the Top 100 and three in the Top 50 at the end of the season.  There were five in the Top 100 in 2019-2020 and two in the Top 50 at the end of the season.  There are currently seven UAA teams in the Top 100 with NYU at 122 and four in the Top 50.

Hard to know what the conference will look like in March, but the league may be more competitive than it has been in a long time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 29, 2021, 05:13:00 PM
Some of you may have seen the most recent edition of Hoopsville where Dave McHugh interviewed UMass-Boston men's head basketball coach Jason Harris about the inaugural Black Coaches Classic, which was played at UMass-Boston last Saturday and had Brandeis as one of the 4 teams in the Classic.  The tournament had 4 of the 7 Massachusetts DIII men's basketball teams currently with a black head coach. (Tufts, Lesley, Brandeis, and UMass-Boston participated on Saturday-- while MIT, Amherst, and Framingham State did not participate this year.)

Link to the Hoopsville broadcast here where UMass-Boston head coach Jason Harris spoke about the need for such a tournament:

team1sports.com/hoopsville/?B=329275 (http://team1sports.com/hoopsville/?B=329275)

Link to the nightcap game of the Black Coaches Classic between Brandeis and UMass-Boston here:

http://www.littleeast.tv/?B=316743 (http://www.littleeast.tv/?B=316743)

I enjoyed some of the greeting messages from coaches such as Tommy Amaker of Harvard and former men's basketball head coach Mike Jarvis (who coached at Cambridge Rindge and Latin HS as well as Boston University before going on to George Washington Univ and St. John's), but I would have liked to have had a videotaped message in the webcast from MIT's Larry Anderson as well as former head coaches Ken Still, who coached Brandeis for 10 years, as well as former Curry men's basketball head coach Malcolm Wynn to also speak about the current need for such a tournament.  I also hope that this concept will expand to include women's basketball teams as well. (Brandeis would not be able to participate in a women's version currently, but Emory could.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 30, 2021, 07:02:34 PM
Just started tuning in to tonight's Brandeis game vs WPI on Boxcast--

Brandeis men's basketball PBP man Jonah White has just announced on the live feed that Tommy Eastman will not be playing tonight vs WPI-- Specific reason undisclosed. 

How will this affect the outcome of tonight's match, and is this absence going to be a lengthy one? 

8:31 PM Eastern update--  WPI blowing out Brandeis tonight-- WPI hitting lights out from 3 point range.   I do not know who is going to win the New England Big 4 Challenge this weekend.   I would have been really favorable on Brandeis winning the tournament this weekend with Eastman in the lineup.  Without him, I don't know.  WPI won by 19 tonight.  No excuses.  Props to WPI's John Lowther for a season high 27 points tonight.

Long term, if Eastman is out for a while, Brandeis cannot win the UAA AQ.  Maybe a winning season and a top 4 finish in the UAA possible.

TitanQ-- I saw on Twitter that you expressed an interest in watching this one tonight.  I hope that you appreciated Jonah White's PBP  call today.  I have not heard back from Jesse Lieberman on the situation with Tommy Eastman.  I did have the Brandeis game on my Roku TV, but also tuned in to some of Wesleyan's men's basketball game vs Worcester State for the second half when it became obvious that WPI was in control of the game.  (No other UAA men's basketball teams were in action tonight.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 01, 2021, 09:35:38 AM
Off the radar fantasy league candidates or potentially off the radar from the UAA

Bobby Hawkinson, NYU, 18 points per game, 12 rebounds per game.

RJ Holmes, Carnegie Mellon, 19 points per game, 8 rebounds per game, early sophomore of the year front runner (assuming they have one).

Cale Martens, Emory, 12 points per game, 6 rebounds per game, early freshman of the year front runner.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 01, 2021, 10:38:24 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 01, 2021, 09:35:38 AM
Off the radar fantasy league candidates or potentially off the radar from the UAA

Bobby Hawkinson, NYU, 18 points per game, 12 rebounds per game.

RJ Holmes, Carnegie Mellon, 19 points per game, 8 rebounds per game, early sophomore of the year front runner (assuming they have one).

Cale Martens, Emory, 12 points per game, 6 rebounds per game, early freshman of the year front runner.

The UAA already did a sophomore rookie of the year for both men's and women's soccer this season due to the pandemic-- I think that they will do both a freshman (first year) and sophomore rookie of the year for this basketball season as well (in addition to all other sports.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 01, 2021, 02:59:21 PM
The soccer awards were my inspiration for naming a sophomore front runner.  I think it is a great idea.  I have not seen any all-Association teams for other sports this Fall, so I was not ready to give out that award without the disclaimer.

Carnegie Mellon did get in an abbreviated Spring season but obviously no awards were given.  There is a lot of talent among the UAA underclassman, but RJ Holmes is killing it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 02, 2021, 09:51:35 AM
Just looking at the results from the Chicago game in Bloomington.

Chicago shot 5-30 from three point range and 22-64 and attempted just three free-throws.  The Maroons had scored 15 at the half and had just one player in double figures.

I am giving them more time to come together just like every other team in the UAA, and I'll cut them slack when playing one of the best teams in the country.  But I do not see them finishing higher than 7th this season.

I mostly mention Chicago though because I was looking at the bio of Elliot Paschal.  As part of his bio, he proudly lists that he won a best mullet award.  Respect!

https://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/mbkb/2021-22/bios/paschal_elliot_9km9
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue_jays on December 02, 2021, 10:51:05 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 02, 2021, 09:51:35 AM

I mostly mention Chicago though because I was looking at the bio of Elliot Paschal.  As part of his bio, he proudly lists that he won a best mullet award.  Respect!

https://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/mbkb/2021-22/bios/paschal_elliot_9km9

Seeing it in person is quite something. He shaved the sides of his head recently to accentuate the mullet even further.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 02, 2021, 12:01:50 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on December 02, 2021, 10:51:05 AM
Seeing it in person is quite something. He shaved the sides of his head recently to accentuate the mullet even further.

That is awesome! I hope he keeps it going through the end of basketball season.  As a Gen Xer who born and raised in rural Missour-uh, mullets have always been a thing and would have been a thing at Chicago in 1983.  But I have to think that he gets quite a lot of notoriety at the University of Chicago in 2021.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 03, 2021, 10:07:33 AM
Washington University hosts the 37th annual Lopata Classic today with Hope squaring off against St. Thomas (TX) and the Bears hosting Hendrix.

At a glance, there are appears to be a number of interesting subplots.  An all-American led back court shooting 40% from the perimeter playing a Hendrix team led by a 6-7 forward averaging 20 points per game.

The Bears have been using three players 6-8 or greater at center, complimented by three 6-5 or greater players, but have not faced an elite post player this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on December 03, 2021, 04:18:37 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 03, 2021, 10:07:33 AM
Washington University hosts the 37th annual Lopata Classic today with Hope squaring off against St. Thomas (TX) and the Bears hosting Hendrix.

At a glance, there are appears to be a number of interesting subplots.  An all-American led back court shooting 40% from the perimeter playing a Hendrix team led by a 6-7 forward averaging 20 points per game.

The Bears have been using three players 6-8 or greater at center, complimented by three 6-5 or greater players, but have not faced an elite post player this season.

Hendrix does not have elite post player.  6-7 stud Seth Stanley is a wing (perimeter) player.  He is awesome.

I saw Hendrix in person at U of Dallas last weekend - I really like them. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2021, 04:25:27 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on December 03, 2021, 04:18:37 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 03, 2021, 10:07:33 AM
Washington University hosts the 37th annual Lopata Classic today with Hope squaring off against St. Thomas (TX) and the Bears hosting Hendrix.

At a glance, there are appears to be a number of interesting subplots.  An all-American led back court shooting 40% from the perimeter playing a Hendrix team led by a 6-7 forward averaging 20 points per game.

The Bears have been using three players 6-8 or greater at center, complimented by three 6-5 or greater players, but have not faced an elite post player this season.

Hendrix does not have elite post player.  6-7 stud Seth Stanley is a wing (perimeter) player.  He is awesome.

I saw Hendrix in person at U of Dallas last weekend - I really like them.

Stanley and Hendrix would be a lot better if Seth were willing to take his game down low a bit more.  If he developed that aspect on his game, it would change a lot.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 03, 2021, 04:54:35 PM
Thanks! The Bears have not faced an elite 6-7 guy who can shoots 45% from three. Wow! I have not been able to watch Hendrix this season but that sounds even more intriguing.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on December 03, 2021, 05:35:43 PM
Uncharacteristically good start for CWRU to start the season.

I wonder if it'll hold up once the killer conference schedule starts.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 03, 2021, 11:42:00 PM
I have been wrong a number of times this season so take this with a grain of salt, but Case Western Reserve is for real. The UAA may have three or four co-champions when all is said and done. I think the Spartans have a shot.

The UAA is going to be brutal this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 04, 2021, 01:34:08 AM
One other correction: the rotation of post players for Washington University has moved from three to two as the third player is no longer on the roster.

It was going to be tough as Jake Wolf may be one of the best freshman posts I have seen and is earning his minutes opposite Kevin Davet.

Otherwise, a good win for the Bears over Hendrix in the Lopata Classic first round.  Washington University shot 6-23 from three-point range, but dominated the Warriors on the defensive end, forcing 23 turnovers and holding Hendrix to 16-48 shooting.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 04, 2021, 07:06:16 AM
Updated Massey

Washington No. 25
Emory No. 27
Case Western Reserve No. 37
Brandeis No. 49
Carnegie Mellon No. 56
Chicago No. 95
New York No. 104

This is currently how I expect the UAA to finish except for Washington University and Emory.  I do not see a favorite at this point so I would call them a tie.  Both are giving significant minutes to newcomers so we shall have to see how they develop as teams over the next few months.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2021, 09:38:15 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 04, 2021, 07:06:16 AM
Updated Massey

Washington No. 25
Emory No. 27
Case Western Reserve No. 37
Brandeis No. 49
Carnegie Mellon No. 56
Chicago No. 95
New York No. 104

This is currently how I expect the UAA to finish except for Washington University and Emory.  I do not see a favorite at this point so I would call them a tie.  Both are giving significant minutes to newcomers so we shall have to see how they develop as teams over the next few months.

Rochester No. 51-- 5th in Massey ratings among UAA teams currently.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2021, 01:35:03 PM
I am watching the CWRU at Adrian game right now, and the Adrian Bulldogs are really playing a very competitive game vs the Spartans in the first half.  Considering that Adrian is 1-5 vs DIII teams coming into the contest and is shorthanded, I am a little surprised right now at how the first half is playing.  Game is tied at 34-34 with 2:43 left in the first half.

1:39 PM Eastern update-- CWRU up 42-37 at halftime at Adrian College in Michigan.

CWRU shooting 14-33 (42.9%) from the floor, 1-9 from 3 pt range, and 13-14 from the charity stripe.

Adrian shooting 16-32 (50%) from the floor, 3-10 from 3 pt range, and 2-3 from the charity stripe.


Leading Spartan scorers:  Robert Faller, 11 points, 3 rebounds.
                                      Mitch Prendergast-- 9 points, 3 rebounds, 4 assists
                                      Cole Frilling-- 8 points, 5 rebounds, 5 steals, 1 block
                                      Brian Hines-- 6 points.

For Adrian, first year player Kendall Chrismon leading the way for the Bulldogs with 9 points.

Game has 8 ties and 6 lead changes so far.

Points in the paint are even at 24 points for each team.

CWRU committed 7 turnovers to Adrian's 10 turnovers.




Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2021, 02:11:07 PM
CWRU now leading 66-58 over Adrian with 12:30 left in 2nd half.

CWRU hitting 18-20 from the charity stripe for the game and has 9 offensive rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2021, 02:19:04 PM
Adrian took a short 1 point lead at 74-73 with 8:50 left before the CWRU Spartans retook the lead at 75-74 with 8:36 left in regulation.

Neither team has led by double digits in this game.

Another lead change, Adrian now up 77-75 with 8:03 left in regulation.  We have a barnburner.

Game now tied at 77-77

Adrian now up 79-77 with 7:43 left in regulation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2021, 02:30:45 PM
CWRU now up 89-85 over Adrian with 3:05 left in regulation.

Mitch Prendergast  has scored 22 points, and Robert Faller has now scored 20 points today to lead the Spartans.

2:38 PM Eastern update-- CWRU now up 95-90 with 1 min left.

Cole Frilling now has also scored 20 points and has 9 rebounds on the game.

Prendergast with 24 points, Frilling and Faller with 20 points for the Spartans.

Update-- Prendergast now with 26 points, and CWRU up 97-90 with 34 seconds left in regulation.

Final score:  CWRU wins 98-90.  Spartans improve to 8-1 on the season, and now have a 2 week break before the next game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2021, 03:28:06 PM
Brandeis up over Tufts, 12-0, early in the New England Big 4 Challenge Championship game with 12:31 left in the first half.

The Mike Crotty Sr Cup is on the line.  Mike Crotty Sr was the founder of the Boston area AAU team Middlesex Magic.  By tradition, his son, former Williams College Basketball star Mike Crotty Jr presents the trophy to the winner of the New England Big 4 Challenge, and the winning coach keeps possession of the cup in the coach's office for 1 year until the next New England Big 4 Challenge.

So far, Brandeis has won the cup 4 times and is aiming for a 5th possession today-- Tufts has won it 2 times and is aiming for a 3rd today.

Babson has won it 4 times, and Salem State has won it once.

PS-- Since when in the NCAA basketball rules does it now say that if the team in possession of the ball slips on the floor, they get to keep possession?  I always thought that it was a turnover until now.  So did Jonah White and Jesse Lieberman.  However, Tufts slips on the floor, and the ref stated that it was still Jumbos ball.

3:33 PM Eastern Update-- Brandeis was up over Tufts, 18-1, with 10:14 left in the first half.  Score is now Brandeis 18, Tufts 4.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2021, 03:42:46 PM
Brandeis now up over Tufts, 18-11, with 5:38 left in the first half.

Collin Sawyer with 6 points on 2-3 from 3 point range for the Judges, but has to sit on the bench for the remainder of the first half with 3 fouls.

Tufts on a 10-0 run over the past 5 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2021, 04:03:21 PM
Halftime of the championship game of the New England Big 4 Challenge:

Brandeis 25, Tufts 21

Story of 2 quarters-- Brandeis dominated the first 10 minutes of the game and was up 18-1 with 10:14 left in the first half.

In the final 10 minutes of the first half, Tufts had all the momentum and cut a 17 point deficit to 4 at the break.

Brandeis shooting 10 of 23 (43.5%) from the field, 2 of 7 from 3 point range, and 3 of 4 from the charity stripe.

Tufts shooting 7 of 25 (28%) from the field (first field goal did not come until 10 minutes left in the half), 2 of 8 from 3 point range, and 5 of 7 from the FT line.

Leading Brandeis scorer:  Collin Sawyer, 6 points.

David Perez, Aiden Using, and Nolan Hagerty with 4 points each for the Judges.

Nolan Hagerty and Chandler Jones with 5 rebounds each for Brandeis.

Leading Tufts scorer:  Dylan Thoerner, 6 points.

Tufts committed 6 turnovers to Brandeis's 8 turnovers.

Brandeis outrebounding Tufts, 19-13, with each team having 5 offensive rebounds a piece.







Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2021, 04:30:11 PM
Brandeis and Tufts now tied at 38-38 with 10:56 to go in regulation in the title game of the New England Big 4 Challenge.

Winner gets the Mike Crotty Sr Cup-- named after the original founder, director, and head coach of the AAU team Middlesex Magic.

4:32 PM Eastern-- Tufts took their first lead of the game briefly at 43-40 with 8:52 left in regulation.  Game now tied at 43-43 with 7:58 left in regulation.

4:46 PM Eastern-- Brandeis 51, Tufts 47  1:52 left in regulation.

Brandeis has 11 offensive rebounds today.  So far, Brandeis is 4-0 when the Judges get 10 or more offensive rebounds in a game, and 0-2 when the Judges get fewer than 10 offensive rebounds in a game this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2021, 05:04:36 PM
End of regulation--

Brandeis 61, Tufts 61  Incredibly, we are going to overtime.

Tufts scored 5 points in the final 6 seconds to force the overtime.  Collin Sawyer's foul on a 3 point attempt cost the Judges in that one, as Tufts made all 3 FTs.  Brandeis had no timeouts, so the Judges were then forced to inbound the ball.  Tufts stole the ball and hit a buzzer-beating tying shot.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2021, 05:05:50 PM
In the first minute of overtime, Nolan Hagerty has fouled out with 15 points for the game for Brandeis, and Tufts is now leading 63-61.

5:07 PM Eastern-- Brandeis 64, Tufts 63  3:53 left in first overtime.

Dylan Thoerner of Tufts leading scorer with 25 points-- 12 of 12 from the charity stripe for the game.

5:11 PM Eastern-- Dylan Thoerner now 14 of 14 from the line-- 27 points for the game-- Game tied at 66-66, 2:04 left in first overtime.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2021, 05:20:01 PM
Brandeis 66, Tufts 66 at the end of the first overtime.

We are heading to a second overtime period.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2021, 05:35:42 PM
Brandeis 76, Tufts 76  End of second overtime

We are heading to a third overtime period.

Dylan Thoerner of Tufts now has 32 points for the Jumbos-- 16 of 16 from the charity stripe today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2021, 05:46:51 PM
Brandeis 85, Tufts 85 after 3 overtimes

We are heading to a fourth overtime period.

Chandler Jones just joined the Brandeis 1,000 point club on the shot to tie the game at 85 a piece with 15 seconds left in the third overtime.

He now has exactly 1,000 career points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2021, 06:04:05 PM
Brandeis 94, Tufts 94 after 4 overtime periods.

We are now heading to a fifth overtime period.

Once again, the Mike Crotty Sr Cup is at stake-- going to the winner of this game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2021, 06:06:39 PM
Dylan Thoerner of Tufts has just fouled out with 4:48 left in the fifth overtime.

The leading scorer for Tufts today finishes with 34 points today on 8-14 shooting from the field, 2 of 5 from 3 pt range, and 16 of 16 from the charity stripe.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2021, 06:19:01 PM
Brandeis 103, Tufts 98  45 seconds left in 5th overtime period.

Collin Sawyer of Brandeis has just fouled out with 25 points scored today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2021, 06:22:44 PM
Brandeis 105, Tufts 102  26 seconds left in the 5th overtime period.

Winner gets the Mike Crotty Sr. Cup.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2021, 06:31:14 PM
Final Score-- Championship Game-- 12th New England Big 4 Challenge.

Brandeis 108, Tufts 102 (After 5 OT periods.)

Brandeis takes possession of the Mike Crotty Sr Cup for the 5th time overall-- Coach Jean Bain wins his second Crotty Cup.

This is a game that Middlesex Magic Founder Mike Crotty Sr's spirit would be proud of.  RIP, Mike Crotty Sr.

Every player on both teams left it all out on the floor today.

Chandler Jones is the MVP of the New England Big 4 Challenge. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: 7express on December 04, 2021, 11:07:02 PM
I would've paid the $15 in gas or whatever to drive from Connecticut to Waltham, MA, I could've paid double the admission price, and all of that would've been totally worth it to see that game play out in person.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 05, 2021, 05:47:52 AM
Quote from: 7express on December 04, 2021, 11:07:02 PM
I would've paid the $15 in gas or whatever to drive from Connecticut to Waltham, MA, I could've paid double the admission price, and all of that would've been totally worth it to see that game play out in person.

I should call Coach Jean Bain's office on Monday and see if I can purchase a physical or digital copy of Saturday's game, and if so, what the price of the copy would be. 

I did watch it live on my Roku TV in my apartment and as I was watching the overtimes, I was literally cheering way up close to the TV screen as the plays were unfolding.  As a result, I couldn't light the Hanukkah candles for the 7th night yesterday until 6:30 PM Eastern (90 minutes after Shabbat ended in the Boston area.)  Unfoftunately, I haven't tried digital recording of a live video stream on my Chromebook computer as it is playing.

There are plenty of highlights posted, but of course, that is not the same as watching the game live or live on tape.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 05, 2021, 12:01:22 PM
You should just e-mail the SID and ask them to upload the game to YouTube.  I have to think they will.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 05, 2021, 12:08:40 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 05, 2021, 12:01:22 PM
You should just e-mail the SID and ask them to upload the game to YouTube.  I have to think they will.

There are plenty of video clip highlights available already on this game on the Brandeis Athletics website.  I think that any potential upload of the game in full for on-demand may not be for a lengthy period of time, however.  Brandeis typically does not archive their games for fans to watch on-demand (very few UAA schools do), so if there is any future upload or a rebroadcast on Boxcast-- which is where Brandeis does their live streams, it may be limited. 



The highlights are available by clicking the video link on the recap of the game on the Brandeis Athletics website-- they are available in 12 second clips.

In addition here is a link to the highlights: https://brandeis.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/highlights/tufts  (https://brandeis.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/highlights/tufts)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 05, 2021, 02:23:09 PM
Two UAA schools do and three did a season ago.  Highlights are good, but are not going to capture how different a 5 overtime game is from other games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on December 05, 2021, 10:08:45 PM
My Q-cast conversation with WashU head coach Pat Juckem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC9ApvWGNlA

0:00 Grilling in the Lou
2:00 Last year
4:53 Disadvantage of not playing in 2020-21
11:45 2019-20 Sweet 16 that never was
14:58 7-1 start to 2021-22
18:29 Jack Nolan
26:45 Hayden Doyle
30:07 6-10 Kevin Davet and 6-10 Jake Wolf
35:54 Justin Hardy
40:20 Pat's D3 story
44:18 Tips for aspiring young coaches
49:53 Coe and the IIAC (ARC)
52:54 Building the Oshkosh program back up
58:17 Deciding to pursue the WashU job
1:01:20 Pat's kinda guys
1:04:20 Replacing a legend
1:08:40 The best non-conf rivalry in D3 MBB
1:13:49 The UAA
1:23:24 Final thoughts
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 05, 2021, 10:36:18 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 05, 2021, 02:23:09 PM
Two UAA schools do and three did a season ago.  Highlights are good, but are not going to capture how different a 5 overtime game is from other games.

Yes-- Wash U does have their games on-demand for most sports thanks to primarily the generosity of a Wash U faculty sponsor (Prof. Michael Greenfield) and his wife (Claire Halpern) as well as some alumni support.    Rochester, unfortunately, makes you buy a monthly subscription to access their live and on-demand content.  Case Western Reserve University has uploaded past basketball games on Youtube in the past.  Those are the three UAA schools referenced.

Since the end of soccer season, NYU has taken away on-demand access to past games by removing their past soccer games from the on-demand function of the service as well as not putting up past basketball games on the on-demand archive.

In addition to Brandeis, neither Emory, Carnegie Mellon, nor Chicago upload past games for fans to access on-demand. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 05, 2021, 11:04:48 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on December 05, 2021, 10:08:45 PM
My Q-cast conversation with WashU head coach Pat Juckem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC9ApvWGNlA

0:00 Grilling in the Lou
2:00 Last year
4:53 Disadvantage of not playing in 2020-21
11:45 2019-20 Sweet 16 that never was
14:58 7-1 start to 2021-22
18:29 Jack Nolan
26:45 Hayden Doyle
30:07 6-10 Kevin Davet and 6-10 Jake Wolf
35:54 Justin Hardy
40:20 Pat's D3 story
44:18 Tips for aspiring young coaches
49:53 Coe and the IIAC (ARC)
52:54 Building the Oshkosh program back up
58:17 Deciding to pursue the WashU job
1:01:20 Pat's kinda guys
1:04:20 Replacing a legend
1:08:40 The best non-conf rivalry in D3 MBB
1:13:49 The UAA
1:23:24 Final thoughts

Thanks Bob! Great interview!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2021, 02:36:19 PM
Brandeis vs. Tufts for all to see: https://t.co/npFIfGdOhe

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 06, 2021, 02:54:15 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 06, 2021, 02:36:19 PM
Brandeis vs. Tufts for all to see: https://t.co/npFIfGdOhe

I just got the tweet from Brandeis Athletics now about the rebroadcast of the 5 OT game.  I had a medical appointment with a speciality clinic this afternoon and thus was not able to contact either Coach Jean Bain or Adam Levin about rebroadcasting the game on Boxcast, but I am glad that I did not have to do it.

The tweet came out around 2:14 PM Eastern, and I read it about half an hour later as I was boarding my train to return home from the appointment.

For a limited time on Boxcast only!  Don't miss out!

PS-- The only other archived Brandeis athletics events other than the 5 OT basketball game right now are 2 swimming and diving meets.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: BaboNation on December 06, 2021, 07:48:24 PM
That was a very entertaining game.  I watched it in real time.  Hagerty is such a strong (underrated) player on both ends.  Great footwork in the post.  When he went down I thought Brandeis would be in trouble.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 07, 2021, 08:04:39 PM
Rochester tips shortly at Ithaca providing for a rare opportunity to watch the Yellowjackets for free.  Live or on-demand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHiANMSv5gQ
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 07, 2021, 09:12:52 PM
Emory loses to Massey No. 194 Covenant in OT.  Emory scored 58 points in 45 minutes of play after leading the UAA in points scored two seasons ago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 07, 2021, 09:13:47 PM
Brandeis men did not have a hangover after that 5 OT game on Saturday.   Judges just crushed Lasell, 88-44, to improve to 6-2 on the season.  The Lasers did not have the team depth to stay in the game with Brandeis.

Just a few highlights-- Brandeis outscored Lasell in bench points, 30-8, tonight.  Brandeis hit 14 of 30 from 3 pt range, while Lasell only made 2 3 pointers the entire game.  Brandeis also had 24 assists on the night.

Next up:  On Saturday, Colby comes to the Red Auerbach Arena for the first time.  The last meeting between Brandeis and Colby on the men's side before this season came in the title game of the ECAC New England Tournament in 1992.  That game was played up in Waterville, Maine. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 07, 2021, 09:37:38 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 07, 2021, 09:12:52 PM
Emory loses to Massey No. 194 Covenant in OT.  Emory scored 58 points in 45 minutes of play after leading the UAA in points scored two seasons ago.

Yeah, it is not great to go on break only scoring 58 points in 45 minutes of game play against a USA South opponent.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 07, 2021, 10:21:20 PM
I still see Emory as the class (or tied for the class) of the UAA, but they did not play well tonight.

As an aside, Logan Shanahan has supplanted his teammate as the freshman of the year front runner, in my opinion, though there are other talented freshmen in the league.

Rochester needed a three-pointer as their shot clock expired to force OT but did eventually beat Ithaca College.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2021, 12:17:25 AM

Covenant is a tough team. They're talented and Will Crumly is a handful for anyone down low. Emory should've won, but it's not a terrible loss.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 08, 2021, 04:01:18 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 08, 2021, 12:17:25 AM

Covenant is a tough team. They're talented and Will Crumly is a handful for anyone down low. Emory should've won, but it's not a terrible loss.

However, we now know that through 7 games, Emory's Romin Williams is nowhere close to the basketball player that he used to be, and that we have come to expect from him.  He did not score a point vs Randolph-Macon, and he did not score a point last night.  He has only scored 10 or more points in a game once this season so far.   All facets of his game are off, and for the first time since his freshman season of his college career, he has been coming off the bench the past few games in an attempt to see if his game would be better as a reserve right now.  So far, it does not seem to have worked.

Without him, Emory is not a top 25 team.  With Romin Williams in his prime, Emory easily beats Covenant and may have had a shot to win vs Randolph-Macon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 08, 2021, 08:13:05 AM
And I don't think I have seen Emory play so poorly overall in years.  58 points even with the OT.  Emory will be back.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 08, 2021, 09:17:31 AM
I should add: credit to Covenant because teams do not play in a vacuum but Emory shot 10% from the perimeter and 50% from the line.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 08, 2021, 10:08:55 AM
I am not going to do Massey updates multiple times a week, but the latest ratings for the UAA are wild.

The UAA has 6 teams in the Top 50 and 8 teams in the Top 100.  The UAA has moved above the CCIW as the second best conference in the nation according to the Ken Massey break down. 

This may be the best the UAA has been, top to bottom, in a long time.

At the same time, the UAA does not have a single team in the Top 25.  The league looks more and more like the best one-bid league ever.  I am not predicting that, but I definitely did not predict this.  The UAA is going to be a meat grinder for sure.

By the way, every season, I see references to a tough Chicago team as if that is a given.  I may come to regret this, but it is time to be honest about the Maroons.  They are a good team, but they have not been among the top UAA teams in a long time.

Washington University  No 26
Case Western Reserve  No 33
Brandeis  No 34
Emory  No 44
Rochester  No 47
Carnegie Mellon  No 50
NYU  No 84
Chicago  No 87
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 08, 2021, 01:20:59 PM
You can depend on the Chicago men to finish in the top 4 of the UAA standings or no worse than 5th in the UAA most seasons.  The Maroons have not really been close to getting a Pool C bid to NCAAs for quite a while, and I don't think that this will be the year that the Chicago men will clinch the AQ either. 

The Chicago men are usually good for 7 to 9 UAA wins per season, but not more than that. 

Similarly, I can also understand why the coach at CWRU is telling everyone to not jump on the top 25 bandwagon for the Spartans just yet.  CWRU has not won more than 6 UAA conference games a season for at least 10 seasons now.

BTW, the Brandeis v Chicago series in the Jean Bain era has been close in 3 of the 4 games played so far.  Brandeis is 4-0 vs Chicago so far in Jean Bain's tenure as head coach of the Judges, but only one of the games has been a comfortable 20 point Brandeis win.  Both games at the Auerbach Arena went to overtime and double overtime respectively before Brandeis won.  Brandeis also had a 3 point win at Chicago in the last season played before the pandemic. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 08, 2021, 01:50:39 PM
Chicago has won 9 games once since the 2007-2008 season. 7-8 is more the norm.  They are at a serious risk of finishing under 7 wins this season.

It is true regarding Case Western Reserve during a normal season, but this season is not normal.  This team may well be the best they have every had.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 08, 2021, 02:11:49 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 08, 2021, 01:50:39 PM
Chicago has won 9 games once since the 2007-2008 season. 7-8 is more the norm.  They are at a serious risk of finishing under 7 wins this season.

It is true regarding Case Western Reserve during a normal season, but this season is not normal.  This team may well be the best they have every had.

I tend to agree with you on that point regarding CWRU.  The Spartans are loaded with talent this year.  Putting 111 points on the board vs John Carroll screams at me that the Spartans need to be watched, and I made sure to watch their game vs Adrian live on video as it happened.  I will have to make sure to watch CWRU every time they play this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 08, 2021, 03:47:11 PM
I do think Case Western Reserve is worth watching though, since you often talk about the announcers, I am not sure that the long time announcer is back. Jance or Jantz.  He is very good.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 08, 2021, 10:36:43 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 08, 2021, 03:47:11 PM
I do think Case Western Reserve is worth watching though, since you often talk about the announcers, I am not sure that the long time announcer is back. Jance or Jantz.  He is very good.

Jantz is calling the games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 08, 2021, 11:29:32 PM
Ron Jantz, yes. Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on December 10, 2021, 01:25:14 PM
On 4/22/21, WashU senior Justin Hardy was diagnosed w/ Stage 4 stomach cancer. On 11/27/21, he had 28 pts & 11 reb.

His incredible and inspiring story is here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRMVYfraa88
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 10, 2021, 01:59:43 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on December 10, 2021, 01:25:14 PM
On 4/22/21, WashU senior Justin Hardy was diagnosed w/ Stage 4 stomach cancer. On 11/27/21, he had 28 pts & 11 reb.

His incredible and inspiring story is here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRMVYfraa88

Thanks Bob!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 10, 2021, 02:41:18 PM
FYI--

Here are the rankings of the OWPs of all 8 UAA men's basketball teams through games of Thursday, Dec. 9, 2021, along with their cumulative OWPs.

Note:  OWP measures the winning percentage of the past opponents that each UAA team has played already.  Cumulative OWP measures the winning percentage of both the past and future opposition for the season for each UAA team.

OWP is 2/3 of SOS.  Ranking is of 416 DIII men's basketball teams.

1.)  Carnegie Mellon-- OWP is .688 (ranked #11 in DIII)-- Cumulative OWP is .705

2.)  Emory-- OWP is .680 (ranked #16 in DIII)-- Cumulative OWP is .719

3.)  Rochester-- OWP is .627 (ranked #38)-- Cumulative OWP is .670

4.)  Brandeis-- OWP is .613 (ranked #48)-- Cumulative OWP is .695

5.)  CWRU-- OWP is .524 (ranked tied for #146)-- Cumulative OWP is .642

6.)  Chicago-- OWP is .500 (ranked tied for #177)-- Cumulative OWP is .650

7.)  Wash U-- OWP is .448 (ranked #277)-- Cumulative OWP is .634

8.)  NYU-- OWP is .410 (ranked tied for #331)-- Cumulative OWP is .610


On another note:  Last Saturday's 5 OT game between Brandeis and Tufts is currently the longest college basketball game this season in any division. (men or women).  In D-I, the Nebraska at NC State men's game on December 1 went to 4 OTs before a winner was decided.  No D-II men's game has gone more than 2 OTs this season.



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 15, 2021, 04:22:41 PM
This is not good news.

Due to a COVID-19 surge at NYU, the campus is shutting down and finals are going remote.

In addition, as of today, December 15, 2021, all NYU athletic programs have suspended activity until further notice.

This may have a major impact on UAA competition this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 15, 2021, 04:25:59 PM
Sounds like Middlebury. Hopefully with most (all) of the students away for a few weeks, things will return to (some) normal after the break (fingers crossed).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Caz Bombers on December 15, 2021, 04:40:53 PM
they had no scheduled events until December 30 anyway, even if they end up calling off an OOC game or two it's pretty low impact at this time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 15, 2021, 04:42:16 PM
I am not sure what to think when an institution that has a 99% vaccination rate decides they need to close.  On the one hand, it is easy to do with finals at hand an students moving home so I agree on the impact.  On the other, this does raise the question of when does it end. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 15, 2021, 04:58:09 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 15, 2021, 04:42:16 PM
I am not sure what to think when an institution that has a 99% vaccination rate decides they need to close.  On the one hand, it is easy to do with finals at hand an students moving home so I agree on the impact.  On the other, this does raise the question of when does it end.

I am thinking that this outbreak is a result of the Omicron variant (although NYU has not confirmed at this time that this outbreak is Omicron related), in which cases just having 2 doses without a booster will not protect you sufficiently.  New York City is a huge transmission area for this variant to really spread among the general population as a whole, not just NYU.  Just a few weeks ago, a major anime convention in New York City was found to be a cause of the Omicron variant spreading. 

But in the meantime, NYU students are being asked to eat outdoors (if they must eat on campus) whenever possible and have all study groups meet remotely on Zoom as of today, among other immediate steps to take.

Before today, I had a question of where NYU basketball was going to play their home UAA games, as it did not look like the Hunter College Sportsplex would be available for NYU UAA home games this season due to the COVID-19 situation.  It really did not matter as to personal attendance, as visiting fans (including NYU alumni) cannot attend NYU indoor athletic events in person at this moment-- and that was before the events of today.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 15, 2021, 05:08:32 PM
I probably should inoculate the boards from my opinions on the matter because I have posted more on Covid-19 than all other posters combined, but the doctors have come out and said that Omicron appears to be significantly less dangerous than the Delta variant.

I guess we will see as the weather gets colder around the country and more and more people head inside.

I have had a lot of students I work with get Covid-19 and the only one I know of who had anything other than cold-like symptoms and the loss of taste and smell is third-hand, a reference here on the boards actually.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 15, 2021, 10:04:27 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 15, 2021, 05:08:32 PM
I probably should inoculate the boards from my opinions on the matter because I have posted more on Covid-19 than all other posters combined, but the doctors have come out and said that Omicron appears to be significantly less dangerous than the Delta variant.

I guess we will see as the weather gets colder around the country and more and more people head inside.

I have had a lot of students I work with get Covid-19 and the only one I know of who had anything other than cold-like symptoms and the loss of taste and smell is third-hand, a reference here on the boards actually.

More transmissible and less severe, which could pose trouble come Spring.  Hopefully we won't have too many asymptomatic positives sitting at home watching their teams play games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 16, 2021, 04:07:54 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 17, 2021, 03:44:06 AM
I watched the Pat Juckem interview on Hoopsville last night, and I am looking forward to watching Sunday's Illinois Wesleyan at Wash U game.

Unfortunately, Dave McHugh's audio was out when he was asking most of the questions, although Coach Juckem's audio was on when he gave the answers.

I was wondering if there is a written transcript of the questions that Dave asked to Coach Juckem from the interview.  I do notice that Dave occasionally seems to type on his keyboard (or at least the sound of typing is occuring) when the answers are being given.

On another note, I do agree with Dave's opinion expressed at the end of the show that we could be headed into a rough January (and February) basketball wise.

Just before NYU suspended all athletic activity for an indefinite time this week, the university ordered all students eligible for a COVID-19 booster shot to upload proof of a booster vaccination by January 18, 2022.  However, the first 3 scheduled UAA conference basketball games would be played by then if this was a pre-pandemic season.

NYU basketball is supposed to play at Brandeis Saturday, January 8, 2022, and then is supposed to host Case Western Reserve and Carnegie Mellon on Friday, Jan. 14, and Sunday, Jan. 16, 2022, respectively.  The athletics suspension puts these dates up in the air as to when (or if) these games will be played.

On a third note, the Brandeis Alumni Club of Greater Boston scheduled all 3 Sunday home Brandeis UAA games (CWRU, Rochester, and Wash U) this season as Alumni/Family Basketball Days, where they are encouraging local Brandeis alumni to personally attend and cheer on the Judges.  I believe that the alumni club is noticing that the local Brandeis alumni are preferring this season to stay at home for most games and are watching Brandeis on streaming TV, so instead of just 1 Sunday this season, the club has scheduled all 3 Sundays as alumni events.  Naturally, each attendee would have to fill out a Daily Health Assessment form on-line prior to coming to campus, so that Brandeis would be able to have that info for contact tracing.  The form does ask if the visitor has been fully vaccinated, although they do not yet have a booster shot question.  While I did RSVP for all 3 Sundays, I am reserving my right to cancel last minute depending on local conditions.  Yesterday, the state DPH reported that my hometown just had a 2 week positive test rate of 5.38% for COVID-19 over the past 2 weeks, so even under the old Massachusetts standards, my hometown of approx 24,000 residents is now in the red for high COVID-19 community transmission. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 17, 2021, 09:56:52 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on December 17, 2021, 03:44:06 AM
Just before NYU suspended all athletic activity for an indefinite time this week, the university ordered all students eligible for a COVID-19 booster shot to upload proof of a booster vaccination by January 18, 2022.  However, the first 3 scheduled UAA conference basketball games would be played by then if this was a pre-pandemic season.

NYU basketball is supposed to play at Brandeis Saturday, January 8, 2022, and then is supposed to host Case Western Reserve and Carnegie Mellon on Friday, Jan. 14, and Sunday, Jan. 16, 2022, respectively.  The athletics suspension puts these dates up in the air as to when (or if) these games will be played.

I think the Fall season cancellations and infection rate models pointed to the potential for a rough January and February.  This should not be a surprise to anyone.

There is no reason to assume that are arbitrary deadline for obtaining the vaccine booster should affect the NYU games. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 17, 2021, 02:14:44 PM
Watching CWRU vs Kalamazoo right now, live stream from Horsburgh Gymnasium-- Ron Jantz PxP, only commentator today.

1.)  Understandable slow start for the Spartans-- CWRU just resumed practicing on Wednesday, so they had only 2 days to prepare for this one. (as relayed by Ron Jantz).

2.) I always love watching a Princeton offense with the trademark backdoor cuts, which is what Kzoo runs.

3.)  Cole Frilling the sharpest CWRU player so far today.

4.)  Coach Todd McGuinnesses's goal for the Spartans in the next 2 games (as Ron Jantz relayed to the streaming audience)-- Play better defense, and cut down on the turnovers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 17, 2021, 02:41:56 PM
Halftime:

CWRU 45, Kalamazoo 37

For CWRU--

Cole Frilling-- 11 points, 1 rebound, 2 fouls.

Griffin Kornaker-- 9 points, 1 rebound, 3 assists

Robert Faller-- 6 points, 3 rebounds

For Kalamazoo--

Josh Decker-- 11 points, 1 rebound

DJ Courtney-- 10 points, 4 rebounds

Gabriel Sharp-- 7 points

Addison Atwater has 4 assists for the Hornets.

Kzoo shooting 50% from the field (14-28), 46.7% from 3 pt land (7-15), and 66.7% from the FT line (2-3).

CWRU shooting 52.9% from the field (18-34), 27.8% from 3 pt land (5-18) and 57.1% from the FT line (4-7)

Each team has 9 turnovers a piece.

Kzoo made 14 points off turnovers, while CWRU made 12 points off turnovers.

CWRU outrebounding Kzoo, 22-10, 8-1 off the offensive glass.

Kzoo has 9 assists to CWRU's 8 assists.

CWRU leading in blocks, 2-0, and in steals, 6-3.

CWRU leading in bench points, 15-10.

CWRU leading in second chance points, 10-0.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 17, 2021, 03:42:05 PM
Final--

CWRU 94, Kalamazoo 74.   Spartans pulled away late in the game.  CWRU improves to 9-1.

9 wins in a row for the Spartans-- program best in the DIII modern era.   CWRU school record is 10 wins in a row set in the 1971-72 season.

Next Spartans game-- at Hilbert, Monday, January 3, 2022.

Kalamazoo held to 44.3% shooting for the game, and CWRU only committed 12 turnovers-- only 3 turnovers for the Spartans in the second half. 

For CWRU--

Cole Frilling-- 25 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist

Robert Faller-- 16 points, 6 rebounds

Griffin Kornaker-- 14 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists

For Kalamazoo--

DJ Courtney-- 22 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists

Gabriel Sharp--14 points, 3 rebounds

Josh Decker-- 11 points

Addison Atwater-- 5 assists

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 18, 2021, 07:06:12 AM
It looks like the biggest game in the first weekend of UAA play will be Case Western Reserve at Carnegie Mellon. I don't think anyone could have predicted that.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 20, 2021, 10:18:32 AM
Last Massey Update

Washington University  No 26
Case Western Reserve  No 33
Brandeis  No 34
Emory  No 44
Rochester  No 47
Carnegie Mellon  No 50
NYU  No 84
Chicago  No 87

Current Massey (updated Saturday night)

Washington University  No 20
Carnegie Mellon  No 26
Emory  No 35
Case Western Reserve  No 36
Brandeis  No 42
Rochester  No 56
Chicago  No 83
NYU  No 90

Is it possible that Carnegie Mellon is the second best team in the league?  The answer is yes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 20, 2021, 12:27:09 PM

There's a legitimate chance that 7 UAA teams could be in the regional rankings this year.  If Chicago gets a few good conference wins, they might sneak in as well.  Would be pretty crazy to have an entire league schedule count as vRRO games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 20, 2021, 01:26:46 PM
I have to see NYU before I believe they can do anything in the UAA, but who knows? The Violets are of course the only team to close down due to Covid-19 protocols. They do still have Salibury on the schedule so fingers crossed.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 23, 2021, 06:05:21 PM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on December 15, 2021, 04:40:53 PM
they had no scheduled events until December 30 anyway, even if they end up calling off an OOC game or two it's pretty low impact at this time.

The president of NYU made an updated statement this week (on Tuesday, December 21, 2021) that the plans for January are to have all J-term classes at NYU conducted remotely, and that the athletics suspension (all athletics, recreational and fitness facilities on the NYU campus will remain closed and travel for athletics competitions and J-term academic programs is not permitted during the suspension or the J-term academics period )  will remain in effect at least until the start of the spring semester on January 24, 2022, when they expect in-person instruction to resume at NYU and their Study Away sites.  The athletics suspension may remain in effect beyond January 24, depending on local COVID-19 conditions in the New York Tri-State area, data from the NYU testing program, guidance from public authorities and educational institutions, and other sources.

This will have a major impact on the NYU teams, as at least the first 5 UAA contests involving NYU will be affected by the suspension.  It is unknown how the UAA will treat this major development as to NYU scheduling.  As far as I know, the UAA Basketball Code of Conduct was not written to allow for conference forfeits, as it was designed primarily to deal with cancellations or postponements caused by weather conditions by keeping the mid-week open for rescheduling make-up games.  One scenario that I could foresee with this development is for the UAA to rule that NYU will not be eligible for the UAA Basketball title and AQ this season so that NYU could play a single round robin of 7 conference games in February rather than the full double round robin 14 games (similar to what Johns Hopkins did when they were in the UAA-- JHU was not eligible for the UAA AQ in basketball, and that results vs NYU this season would, as a result, not be used to settle tiebreakers), and that the remaining 7 UAA teams will compete for the AQ.  However, this is now unchartered territory.

Note:  It would also not make sense at this time to hand out conference forfeits since the situation with the Omicron variant is way different than a situation where a college basketball team's players have not been fully vaccinated for the older COVID-19 strains.  DI conferences with COVID-19 forfeit policies have already started to rescind those policies in response to the Omicron variant, and it would be prudent for the DIII conferences with COVID-19 forfeit policies to rescind them as well in light of the Omicron situation, since Omicron is causing a lot of breakthrough infections in the fully vaccinated and even those vaccinated people who have had their booster shots have been infected as well.

One thing that I do know now upon reviewing this week's statement from the NYU president is that the UAA basketball season for my alma-mater, Brandeis, will not be starting on Saturday, January 8, 2022, as planned, but will now be scheduled to start on January 14, 2022, when Carnegie Mellon and CWRU will be travelling to Brandeis for Friday and Sunday games.  Neither the Tartans nor the Spartans will now be playing NYU the weekend of January 14 and 16 as originally scheduled.  It also looks like Chicago and Wash U will only be hosting Brandeis on the weekend of January 21 and 23 now. 

That is of this time, and there may be other schedule adjustments involving other UAA teams as the weeks go by.

NYU is taking pains not to call this a shutdown or a lockdown of the NYU campus, and they expect all NYU employees to resume their on-campus, in-person schedules on January 18, 2022, in preparation for the spring semester-- however until then all employees are to work remotely to the greatest extent possible (with some limited exceptions, such as essential lab personnel who need to be on campus, those NYU employees with essential duties, or those employees who need to be on campus to support NYU's academic mission or administrative operations.)

To be honest, I am not sure how many people are going to believe NYU when they say that they did not shut down or lock down the campus in response to the Omicron variant.

Source of statement:  www.nyu.edu/about/leadership-university-administration/office-of-the-president/communications.html (http://www.nyu.edu/about/leadership-university-administration/office-of-the-president/communications.html)  On that site, click the link that says Important COVID-19 Related Developments: Rising Case Counts, and Looking Ahead to January.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 23, 2021, 07:01:14 PM
That postponement extends much further than I would have expected.

Chicago posted an update today that they are starting their Spring quarter a week late and online and not allowing students to move in until January 20 without an exception. 

I hope they allow exceptions for athletes so we can play on January 8, but I would not be surprised if things got worse in Chicago before they get better.

I would not be surprised if teams that do play begin to limit attendance to faculty, staff and students.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 23, 2021, 07:41:01 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 23, 2021, 07:01:14 PM
That postponement extends much further than I would have expected.

Chicago posted an update today that they are starting their Spring quarter a week late and online and not allowing students to move in until January 20 without an exception. 

I hope they allow exceptions for athletes so we can play on January 8, but I would not be surprised if things got worse in Chicago before they get better.

I would not be surprised if teams that do play begin to limit attendance to faculty, staff and students.

Outside of DIII locally, in the Boston area, DI Northeastern is playing all indoor home contests with no in-person spectators allowed as of December 19, 2021, in response to the Omicron variant.

In the DI Ivy League, only Cornell has suspended its athletics program indefinitely at this time in response to the Omicron variant.  Harvard and Princeton are still allowing their teams to play at this time, even though their campuses will be remote academically for most of January

Update-- as of December 26, 2021, the athletics suspension at Cornell University has been lifted, with their women's basketball team next scheduled to play on December 29, 2021.  (I am not surprised if this is response to the actions taken at Harvard and Princeton.)

We also know that DIII NESCAC, as of December 22, has already implemented a conference wide spectator policy affecting games up to January 31, 2022, that restricts attendance at all indoor home athletic contests to spectators who are part of the host institution's testing protocol.  In other words, no spectators allowed outside of the immediate host team's community of faculty, staff, and students.  This new NESCAC policy is similar to what NYU already put in place before the complete athletics suspension.  Of the NESCAC institutions, only Middlebury has completely suspended its athletics program indefinitely at this time in response to the Omicron variant, and that suspension got lifted on December 17, 2021, when Middlebury's COVID 19 campus alert status changed from a red alert to an orange alert, which allowed their athletic facilities to reopen.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 23, 2021, 08:16:06 PM

On the plus side, South Africa is showing decreases in new cases, which may signify the surge only lasted 3-4 weeks. If we can be back to a safer scenario by February, that will be great!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 23, 2021, 09:40:50 PM
Here is the UAA Policy on COVID-19 related postponements and cancellations of UAA contests, as adopted on August 18, 2021.  The policy is based on postponements and cancellations due to weather conditions, and states that every effort should be made to make up a postponed UAA contest in any sport, if possible.  No conference forfeits are allowed.

www.uaasports.info/information/forms/UAA_COVID_Cancellation_and_Forfeit_Policy.pdf (http://www.uaasports.info/information/forms/UAA_COVID_Cancellation_and_Forfeit_Policy.pdf)

It will be difficult to have NYU play all 14 UAA conference games in basketball in the month of February due to the travel involved-- no matter if it is NYU travelling to play a UAA opponent or the UAA opponent rescheduling its travel to New York for a UAA contest.  Even 12 UAA games in February will be tough on NYU, assuming the NYU athletics suspension gets lifted for the January 28-30 weekend of UAA games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Caz Bombers on December 24, 2021, 02:09:59 PM
Welp I didn't see that coming, I guess NYU shut me up eh?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 27, 2021, 06:07:33 AM
Updated news regarding this week's D3Hoops.com Classic from South Point Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada-- presented by D3Hoops.com with all games streamed on Team1Sports.com this year, and tournament operated by SportTours International.

Due to COVID-19 and the Omicron variant, this year's D3Hoops.com Classic will only be run as a DIII men's basketball classic only, with all women's games cancelled for this year.  Updated information courtesy of Team1Sports.com video schedule.

Per information provided by Team1Sports.com, here is the updated schedule-- UAA men's teams in bold.

Tuesday, December 28, 2021

1.)  1 PM Pacific/4 PM Eastern-- U. Chicago vs. Marietta

2.)  3 PM Pacific/6 PM Eastern-- Concordia-Moorhead vs Whittier

3.)  5 PM Pacific/8 PM Eastern-- UW-Superior vs St. Mary's (MN)

4.)  7 PM Pacific/10 PM Eastern-- Pacific Lutheran vs Maryville (TN).

Wednesday, December 29, 2021

1.)  3 PM Pacific/6 PM Eastern-- Whittier vs UW-Superior

2.)  5 PM Pacific/8 PM Eastern-- Transylvania vs Marietta

3.)  7 PM Pacific/10 PM Eastern-- Maryville (TN) vs UC Santa Cruz

4.)  9 PM Pacific/Midnight Eastern-- Mary Hardin-Baylor vs Pacific Lutheran

Thursday, December 30, 2021

1.)  4 PM Pacific/7 PM Eastern-- Transylvania vs Concordia-Moorhead

2.)  6 PM Pacific/9 PM Eastern-- UC Santa Cruz vs. U. Chicago

3.)  8 PM Pacific/11 PM Eastern-- St. Mary's (MN) vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 27, 2021, 12:02:15 PM
Tweet just sent out from Brandeis Athletics at 11:47 AM Eastern Monday December 27, 2021.

Due to a number of positive COVID-19 tests,  this Thursday's Brandeis men's basketball home game vs Union will not take place as scheduled on December 30.  As of now, the game has been postponed to a future date to be determined.

Schedule has been updated by Brandeis to reflect postponement of Union game:  brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule (http://brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule)

3:04 PM Eastern update-- Due to positive COVID-19 tests affecting Brandeis student athletes, all formal team practices and other formal team activities involving Brandeis men's and women's basketball have been suspended until Thursday, December 30.  As a result, the scheduled Brandeis women's basketball game at Gordon will also not be played this week.

Brandeis press release:  brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/Union-Gordon (http://brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/Union-Gordon)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 27, 2021, 10:56:17 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on December 27, 2021, 06:07:33 AM
UAA men's teams in bold.

LOL
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 28, 2021, 12:16:52 PM
Update to the D3Hoops.com Classic schedule--

UC Santa Cruz men's basketball cancelled their trip to Las Vegas.  Concordia-Moorhead has also cancelled its appearance in the D3Hoops.com Classic.

Today's games are scheduled to be played at this time, with Chicago men opening up vs Marietta today at 1 PM Pacific/4 PM Eastern, followed by Transylvania vs Whittier at 3 PM Pacific/6 PM Eastern.  The remainder of today's games, to my knowledge, are still on at this time.

The schedule for Wednesday in the D3Hoops.com Classic will have Chicago playing Maryville (TN) in the 7 PM Pacific/10 PM Eastern timeslot on December 29, 2021.

All other men's games on Wednesday in the D3Hoops.com Classic still scheduled to be played at this time.

Schedule for Thursday, December 30, 2021 in the men's D3Hoops.com Classic from Las Vegas, Nevada-- just one men's basketball game.

8 PM Pacific/11 PM Eastern-- St. Mary's (MN) vs Mary Hardin-Baylor.

All D3Hoops.com Classic games will be streamed on Team1Sports.com.


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 28, 2021, 02:46:20 PM
Emory has moved classes online for January though no word on athletics as far as I can tell. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 28, 2021, 04:34:15 PM
Watching the Chicago vs #8 Marietta game on live stream from Las Vegas right now.

Pat Coleman on play by play with Gordon Mann on commentary and Dave McHugh in the production booth.

Audio was on for about the first 12 minutes of the contest, and then it cut out.  Dave is aware of the problem and is trying to get the audio fixed.

Marietta leading throughout the game-- Chicago started slow, which is not great when facing a team ranked in the D3Hoops.com poll in the top 10.

4:35 PM Eastern update-- Chicago has rallied late in the first half to cut the Marietta lead to 6 points.  Marietta up 41-35 with 1:30 left in the first half.

Marietta scored the final 2 points of the half to take a 43-35 lead at halftime into the locker room.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 28, 2021, 04:47:22 PM
Brandon Beckman and Bryce Hopkins seem to be having the best games for Chicago in the first half, keeping the Maroons in the game, but Chicago only had 3 offensive rebounds in the half and committed 10 turnovers, while Marietta only turned over the ball twice. 

Audio is back for the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 28, 2021, 05:56:31 PM
Final from Las Vegas--

#8 Marietta 78, Chicago 65

Chicago turned the ball over 20 times, which Marietta converted to 22 points.  Marietta only turned the ball over 5 times, which Chicago converted to 6 points.

While Chicago outrebounded Marietta, 43-34, for the game, Marietta won the battle of the offensive glass, 9-8.

Chicago never had a lead in this one, the last tie was 2-2 in the second minute of the contest before Marietta took the lead for good.

Marietta's largest lead was a 20 point lead in the second half at 70-50 with 8:14 left in regulation before Chicago went on a 11-0 run to cut the deficit to 9.

Chicago was led by Brandon Beckman with 17 points, 5 rebounds, and 3 assists.  Bryce Hopkins scored 16 points for the Maroons, of which 12 of those points came from the charity stripe.

Ryan Martin had 7 rebounds for Chicago.

For Marietta, Mason Lydic scored 21 points, Jason Ellis scored 13 points and made 7 assists, and Tim Kreeger scored 12 points. 

Chicago shot 18 of 49 from the field (36.7%), 10 of 36 from 3 pt range (27.8%), and 19 of 24 from the charity stripe.

Marietta shot 30 of 67 from the field (44.8%), 10 of 26 from 3 pt range (38.5%), and 8 of 17 from the charity stripe.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 29, 2021, 07:03:44 AM
Schedule update--

Thursday's December 30, 2021 basketball game between Carnegie Mellon and Bethany men's basketball which was scheduled to be played at Bethany has been cancelled.  My belief is that the game was cancelled due to COVID-19 protocols, as no exact details were given by either program.

Source:  athletics.cmu.edu/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule (http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule)

Today, Emory is still scheduled to play at 4 PM Eastern at home vs UW-Whitewater in the Emory Holiday Classic, while Chicago is stlll scheduled to play Maryville (TN) at 7 PM Pacific/10 PM Eastern at the D3Hoops.com Classic in Las Vegas.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2021, 10:26:39 AM
Emory Athletics posted their weekly preview which profiles the three games between the two programs.  The administration must have deemed athletics as an essential activity. 

Between this and the fact that Chicago is in Las Vegas, there are good signs that the UAA institutions are adapting to the changing conditions without sacrificing athletics.  Very interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 29, 2021, 12:42:10 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 29, 2021, 10:26:39 AM
Emory Athletics posted their weekly preview which profiles the three games between the two programs.  The administration must have deemed athletics as an essential activity. 

Between this and the fact that Chicago is in Las Vegas, there are good signs that the UAA institutions are adapting to the changing conditions without sacrificing athletics.  Very interesting.

However, if NYU has lifted the athletics suspension, they are doing a poor job of communicating it to us.  There should be an explicit statement on the NYU Athletics Twitter feed announcing that the suspension has been lifted, seeing that just over a week ago, the NYU president made a big statement saying that all athletic competition, and travel would be suspended and all NYU athletic facilities closed until at least mid January.

The only thing that I have seen is that no NYU game (other than the men's basketball game on January 2 vs Salisbury at Moravian-- which is cancelled because the Salisbury men's basketball team decided not to make the trip to Moravian) has explicitly been marked as cancelled or postponed as of today, but I could conclude that as an act of neglect on NYU Athletics given their previous statement of December 15, 2021 suspending all athletic activity until further notice.  The further notice should be more explicit than just not changing their athletics schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2021, 01:01:40 PM
Let's go with everyone but NYU.

I did not mention them because I did not want to throw them under the bus, but yeah, obviously the administration needs to make decisions so athletics can communicate that out.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 29, 2021, 01:43:34 PM
There have been tons of games cancelled or postponed (probably with no intention of actually making up the games, especially if they are nonconference) over this holiday break. I can only hope when kids return next week, that some kind of normalcy will return, in regards to scheduling, and we won't have many more postponements. The conference schedule will be in full mode, so there probably won't be too many open dates to reschedule...and we haven't really had any weather-related postponements.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 29, 2021, 02:16:18 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 29, 2021, 01:43:34 PM
There have been tons of games cancelled or postponed (probably with no intention of actually making up the games, especially if they are nonconference) over this holiday break. I can only hope when kids return next week, that some kind of normalcy will return, in regards to scheduling, and we won't have many more postponements. The conference schedule will be in full mode, so there probably won't be too many open dates to reschedule...and we haven't really had any weather-related postponements.

The minimum number of games that a DIII basketball team must play to be eligible for Pool C at-large consideration this season without having to apply to the DIII Championships Committee for a waiver is 18 games, correct?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2021, 02:20:29 PM
NYU appears to be the only institution that preemptively cancelled all athletics through the end of the month, but that is not 100% clear as far as I can tell.  I have to think that the NYU athletics communication staff are waiting for a clarification though, otherwise we would see more cancelled games.

The Emory and Chicago releases did not directly address athletics, but left room to preemptively cancel athletics and their teams are playing so...

The UAA is unique in Division III as every institution has high-level research programs in the biological and life sciences and medical schools (in a few cases) so their decision making process involves more internal stakeholders than most.

Interestingly, Rochester has a world-class medical school and they were one of only two UAA schools to have a Spring season.  I am not sure what they concluded that others did not, but in hindsight, everyone should have followed their lead.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 29, 2021, 04:55:44 PM
Halftime of the Emory v UW-Whitewater game (today's 2nd game of the Emory Holiday Classic, as LaGrange played Birmingham-Southern in the opener earlier).

Emory Eagles lead 52-27 over the UW-Whitewater Warhawks.

Leading scorers for Emory-

Matthew Schner with 15 points on 7-10 shooting from the field and 1-2 from 3 pt range-- 0 of 1 from the charity stripe.  Schner also has 5 rebounds and 3 assists

Romin Williams with 13 points on  5-7 from the field, 3-3 from 3 pt range, and no FT attempts.

Leading scorer for Whitewater is Trevon Chisholm with 11 points. No other Warhawk in double figures in scoring.

Each team has only committed 5 turnovers in the first half.

Emory outrebounding UW-Whitewater 26-14, 7-3 on the offensive glass, but only outscoring Whitewater 8 to 3 on second chance points.

Emory has 11 assists on their 21 made baskets to Whitewater's 5 assists on their 11 made baskets.

Emory shooting 21 of 37 from the field, 4 of 9 from 3 pt land, and 6 of 8 from the FT line.

UW-Whitewater shooting 11 of 32 from the field, 3 of 8 from 3 pt land, and 2 of 6 from the FT line.

Emory outscoring Whitewater 30 to 12 on points in the paint.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2021, 05:00:38 PM
Emory looks like Emory again.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 29, 2021, 05:08:05 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 29, 2021, 05:00:38 PM
Emory looks like Emory again.

In other news, Wash U just announced that all of their home basketball games and other home spectator events will be played behind closed doors effective immediately, on a temporary basis due to COVID-19.  (Just like the Bundesliga soccer games).  No in-person spectators allowed-- spectators can watch the home events on the Wash U Sports Network with Jay Murry, the voice of the Bears, on the call.

Source:  Wash U Athletics tweet at 3:17 PM Central/4:17 PM Eastern.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2021, 05:26:01 PM
Well, you guys know how I feel about that decision.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 29, 2021, 05:50:43 PM
Emory won over UW-Whitewater, 91-70.  Whitewater outscored Emory in the second half, 43-39, but the game was over for all intents and purposes at halftime.

Emory will play Birmingham Southern tomorrow to conclude the Emory Holiday Classic.

For Emory, Matthew Schner finished with 30 points, 7 rebounds and 3 assists.  Romin Williams finished with 18 points, 4 rebounds, and 3 assists.  Jaxon Barber finished with 10 points.  Nick Stuck had 8 assists, while Max Fried had 7 rebounds as well.

Emory committed 12 turnovers for the game, but Whitewater only converted 5 points off these turnovers.

Emory outrebounded Whitewater, 46-37, but Whitewater led 11-10 on the offensive glass.

Emory shot 35 of 69 (50.7%) from the field, 6 of 19 from 3 pt land (31.6%), and 15 of 17 (88.2%) from the FT line.  Emory had 21 assists on their 35 made FGs.

Whitewater shot 27 of 71 (38%) from the field, 7 of 21 from 3 pt land (33.3%), and 9 of 17 from the charity stripe.

Emory outscored Whitewater in second chance points, 11-9, and in points from the paint, 52-34.

The Eagles had a nice bounceback from the loss at Covenant-- played well vs UW-Whitewater today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 29, 2021, 06:25:31 PM
The NYU Athletics suspension that was announced on December 15, 2021, remains in effect as the NYU men's basketball schedule now reflects that the NYU game scheduled for Monday, January 3 at Moravian has now been postponed to a date to be determined (if not cancelled outright.)   NYU's game scheduled for Sunday vs Salisbury (at Moravian) had already been postponed/cancelled, as neither NYU nor Salisbury will be making the trip to Moravian.

Source:  gonyuathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule (http://gonyuathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 29, 2021, 11:44:47 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 29, 2021, 05:26:01 PM
Well, you guys know how I feel about that decision.

Better than cancelling games...barely.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 30, 2021, 01:38:10 PM
New tweet just sent out from Brandeis Athletics at 1:29 PM Eastern Thursday, December 30, 2021--

The Brandeis men's basketball home game vs Bates scheduled for Monday, January 3, 2022, has been postponed due to COVID-19 protocols to a future date to be determined.

Positive COVID-19 tests on both the Bates and Brandeis men's basketball teams are the reason for the postponement.

Today's update to the original Brandeis press release that announced the postponement of the Union game is now available at:

brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/Union-Gordon (http://brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/Union-Gordon)



With the NYU Athletics suspension still in effect, the Brandeis men's basketball team may not be playing until Friday, January 14, 2022 against Carnegie Mellon at the earliest.  That would be the UAA opener for Brandeis, as it is most likely that the Saturday January 8 contest vs NYU will also be postponed due to the NYU Athletics suspension.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 30, 2021, 05:38:50 PM
Matthew Schner had a double-double today (19 points, 11 rebounds) as Emory pulled away in the second half for a comfortable win over Birmingham Southern in the final game of the Emory Holiday Classic today.  Emory improves to 6-3 on the season and is scheduled to play at Oglethorpe on Sunday before being scheduled to host Huntingdon on Tuesday to conclude non-conference play.

3 Emory players in double figures today:  Matthew Schner with 19 points, Nick Stuck with 15 points, and Cale Martens with 14 points.

Final:  Emory 91, Birmingham Southern 67
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 30, 2021, 06:49:01 PM
Brandeis just announced their new spectator policy for 2022, and while in theory, people outside of the immediate Brandeis community can still attend Brandeis home games-- in practice, the requirement is so onerous that it is an effective ban on people outside of the immediate Brandeis community from attending Brandeis home events.

New requirement:  People outside of the immediate Brandeis community must have a negative PCR test result from a test administered no more than 48 72 hours prior to the home athletic event for each indoor home event the person or persons are planning to attend.  A vaccination card, even one indicating a booster shot is not an adequate replacement for the negative PCR test result.

Note:  A PCR test is not the same as a quick 15 minute lateral-flow over the counter home test that a local city or town board of health may administer in Massachusetts.  These PCR tests need to be processed by a lab and prescribed by a health care provider-- either the primary care physician, or an urgent care center provider in Massachusetts.

I had a rapid lateral flow test administered to me by the Canton, MA head nurse the Tuesday before the holiday, and I am planning to get another one next Tuesday assuming the town got some more rapid test kits.  A negative result on those would not be adequate to attend Brandeis home events.  (The result was negative.)

Getting a PCR test while asymptomatic solely for the purpose of attending a home Brandeis contest will not be covered by health insurance in Massachusetts. 

Source:  brandeisjudges.com/general/2021-22/releases/SpectatorPolicyJan2022 (http://brandeisjudges.com/general/2021-22/releases/SpectatorPolicyJan2022)

To quote WUPHF:  "Well, you guys know how I feel about that decision."  However, I was planning not to come to the Brandeis campus anyway in January due to my underlying health conditions.

The Brandeis Alumni Club of Greater Boston made a major mistake this season in scheduling in-person alumni events around Sunday home basketball games.  As a result of this new policy, they will have to be virtual or be cancelled.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: AllStar on December 30, 2021, 09:58:12 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on December 30, 2021, 06:49:01 PM
Brandeis just announced their new spectator policy for 2022, and while in theory, people outside of the immediate Brandeis community can still attend Brandeis home games-- in practice, the requirement is so onerous that it is an effective ban on people outside of the immediate Brandeis community from attending Brandeis home events.

New requirement:  People outside of the immediate Brandeis community must have a negative PCR test result from a test administered 48 hours prior to the home athletic event for each indoor home event the person or persons are planning to attend.  A vaccination card, even one indicating a booster shot is not an adequate replacement for the negative PCR test result.

Note:  A PCR test is not the same as a quick 15 minute lateral-flow over the counter home test that a local city or town board of health may administer in Massachusetts.  These PCR tests need to be processed by a lab and prescribed by a health care provider-- either the primary care physician, or an urgent care center provider in Massachusetts.

I had a rapid lateral flow test administered to me by the Canton, MA head nurse the Tuesday before the holiday, and I am planning to get another one next Tuesday assuming the town got some more rapid test kits.  A negative result on those would not be adequate to attend Brandeis home events.  (The result was negative.)

Getting a PCR test while asymptomatic solely for the purpose of attending a home Brandeis contest will not be covered by health insurance in Massachusetts. 

Source:  brandeisjudges.com/general/2021-22/releases/SpectatorPolicyJan2022 (http://brandeisjudges.com/general/2021-22/releases/SpectatorPolicyJan2022)

To quote WUPHF:  "Well, you guys know how I feel about that decision."  However, I was planning not to come to the Brandeis campus anyway in January due to my underlying health conditions.

The Brandeis Alumni Club of Greater Boston made a major mistake this season in scheduling in-person alumni events around Sunday home basketball games.  As a result of this new policy, they will have to be virtual or be cancelled.

Utterly comical.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 30, 2021, 10:57:18 PM
6,000 mostly maskless fans watched the Missouri women knock off No. 1 South Carolina in the lower bowl of the Mizzou Arena and the 200 or so fans who would have turned out for the Washington University games tomorrow have to watch online instead.

I guess I'll have to go get a round trip ticket to Boston and a PCR test before I go.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 31, 2021, 05:22:45 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 30, 2021, 10:57:18 PM
6,000 mostly maskless fans watched the Missouri women knock off No. 1 South Carolina in the lower bowl of the Mizzou Arena and the 200 or so fans who would have turned out for the Washington University games tomorrow have to watch online instead.

I guess I'll have to go get a round trip ticket to Boston and a PCR test before I go.

("Is this trip necessary?"-- Bugs Bunny, Baseball Bugs. (LOL)).   What's wrong with Brandeis undergrad Jonah White on PxP?  He did a great job of being neutral when doing commentary on the NCAA DIII Women's Soccer Tournament this year from MIT, as well as the MIT women's soccer conference playoff run. (MIT got him to do commentary on a few weeks loan from Brandeis for the duration.  Jesse Lieberman is also supposed to be back to do commentary when Wash U is scheduled to do the Boston/New York trip this season (assuming that both games can be played that week.))

Cost of PCR tests--

Ordering from Amazon-- $40 out of pocket per test kit-- must be shipped back to the lab for processing and registered on your Amazon account.  Not covered by insurance.

Going to PhysicianOne Urgent Care in Waltham or Westwood, Massachusetts for an Express PCR test-- $100 out of pocket.  Not available for Medicare and MassHealth (Medicaid) patients.

Sorry, Brandeis, you just said that I cannot attend games in person this year.  Be more direct on that, please. (Bummer....)

Of course, I do feel more sorry about the families of the UAA athletes than I do about myself.  The families really make a big investment to attend all of these UAA games home and away in person.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 31, 2021, 06:17:27 AM
I talk a good game. And even though I have access to free PCR tests and friends in Boston that I need to visit, I am sure I'll be watch the live stream along with you, deiscanton...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 31, 2021, 08:00:02 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 30, 2021, 10:57:18 PM
6,000 mostly maskless fans watched the Missouri women knock off No. 1 South Carolina in the lower bowl of the Mizzou Arena and the 200 or so fans who would have turned out for the Washington University games tomorrow have to watch online instead.

Former Emory women's basketball coach Christy Thomaskutty did color on the SEC Network for the broadcast with Eric Frede at PxP for the Mizzou/S. Carolina game yesterday.  I'll have to watch the archived version of the game this morning.  It will be great to hear her voice once again.

(Updated note-- at least ESPN/SEC Network did the smart thing last night and had Eric Frede and Christy Thomaskutty do the PxP and commentary remotely from 2 separate off-site locations well away from the Mizzou Arena.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 31, 2021, 02:18:12 PM
Watching the first game of the Wash U doubleheader right now, with the Wash U men hosting Westminster of the SLIAC.  The Wash U women's team will also play Westminister today in the second game.

(I'll take whatever is available right now...)

On Sunday, Rochester is scheduled to play at DePauw, Carnegie Mellon is scheduled to play at Penn State-Behrend, and Emory is scheduled to play at Oglethorpe.  Let's see how many of these games get played.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 31, 2021, 02:46:04 PM
Halftime:  Wash U 45, Westminster 32

Jack Nolan now has 250 career 3's.-- He came in at 245, and made 5 of 9 from 3 pt range in the first half.  (#3 all time on the Wash U list-- his uncle, Gene Nolan, is #1 all time on career 3's made by a Wash U Bear.)

Leading scorers for Wash U--

Jack Nolan, 17 points

Justin Hardy-- 13 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists.

No Westminister player in double figures.

Wash U made 9 of 18 as a team from 3 pt range in the first half.

Wash U outrebounded Westminster, 22-8, 10-0 on the offensive glass.

Westminster's leading scorer, Landon Harrison, not playing today for undisclosed reasons.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 31, 2021, 03:30:03 PM
Final:  Wash U 86, Westminster 57-- Wash U finishes their non-conference slate at 10-1.  Chicago finished their non-conference slate this week as well at 5-6 in UAA play

(Note to Jaybird44-- According to the NCAA stats, Wash U's scoring defense is actually ranked at #2 in DIII through games of last night.  Wash U entered today's contest vs Westminster only giving up 55.1 ppg.  Only Amherst had a stronger scoring defense, entering the game against Babson today only giving up 51.5 ppg.  However, Babson scored 70 points on Amherst and knocked Amherst out from the ranks of the undefeated teams today.)

The next game is scheduled to be Wash U at Chicago to open UAA play on January 8, 2022.

(Note:  Next Top 25 poll is scheduled to be released on Monday).

No men's UAA non-conference games tomorrow.  On Sunday, Rochester, Carnegie Mellon, and Emory are scheduled to be in action.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 02, 2022, 03:40:57 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on December 30, 2021, 06:49:01 PM
Brandeis just announced their new spectator policy for 2022, and while in theory, people outside of the immediate Brandeis community can still attend Brandeis home games-- in practice, the requirement is so onerous that it is an effective ban on people outside of the immediate Brandeis community from attending Brandeis home events.

New requirement:  People outside of the immediate Brandeis community must have a negative PCR test result from a test administered no more than 48 72 hours prior to the home athletic event for each indoor home event the person or persons are planning to attend.  A vaccination card, even one indicating a booster shot is not an adequate replacement for the negative PCR test result.

Note:  A PCR test is not the same as a quick 15 minute lateral-flow over the counter home test that a local city or town board of health may administer in Massachusetts.  These PCR tests need to be processed by a lab and prescribed by a health care provider-- either the primary care physician, or an urgent care center provider in Massachusetts.

I had a rapid lateral flow test administered to me by the Canton, MA head nurse the Tuesday before the holiday, and I am planning to get another one next Tuesday assuming the town got some more rapid test kits.  A negative result on those would not be adequate to attend Brandeis home events.  (The result was negative.)

Getting a PCR test while asymptomatic solely for the purpose of attending a home Brandeis contest will not be covered by health insurance in Massachusetts. 

Source:  brandeisjudges.com/general/2021-22/releases/SpectatorPolicyJan2022 (http://brandeisjudges.com/general/2021-22/releases/SpectatorPolicyJan2022)

To quote WUPHF:  "Well, you guys know how I feel about that decision."  However, I was planning not to come to the Brandeis campus anyway in January due to my underlying health conditions.

The Brandeis Alumni Club of Greater Boston made a major mistake this season in scheduling in-person alumni events around Sunday home basketball games.  As a result of this new policy, they will have to be virtual or be cancelled.

Just before 4 PM Eastern on Friday, Brandeis updated the new policy by changing the time period to get a PCR test to at most 72 hours before the event.

Brandeis also stated that if someone has recently tested positive for COVID-19, completed their isolation period, and recovered-- thereby getting a 90 day test exemption period as a result, that person, as a condifiton of in-person admittance to the Gosman Center, would have to show the date of the positive result and the fact that they have in a 90 day text exemption period due to completion of isolation and recovery
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 02, 2022, 09:44:46 AM
Reminiscing about the experience that I had watching Yeshiva vs Illinois Wesleyan Thursday night, and I have to wonder about this question:

When NYU reopens 181 Mercer Street in New York City in September 2022 for basketball and other sporting events (the new complex is not too long to be finished, and it will be an attraction to visit once the pandemic is over...), can the atmosphere there ever get back to the heydays of big games at the Coles Sports Center with the NYU pep band playing at full blast?  In those days, I felt like the Coles Center defined DIII basketball in New York City and was the landmark to see for DIII sports fans travelling to New York.

Washington Heights, for now, has taken that spot as the top landmark on the New York DIII basketball scene, no matter if Illinois Wesleyan controlled the game a few days ago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 02, 2022, 11:16:16 AM
DePauw Athletics sent out a tweet on Sunday, January 2, 2022, at 10:33 AM Eastern--

Today's Rochester vs DePauw game scheduled for noon Eastern has been cancelled due to COVID-19 protocols.  Rochester will not play DePauw this season.

Rochester's next scheduled game is at Buffalo State Wednesday, January 5.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 02, 2022, 01:58:02 PM
Watching live stream of warmups from the Junker Center in Erie, PA for Carnegie Mellon at Penn State-Behrend, and I really hate it when something is partially blocking the scoreboard clock on the video, so I cannot exactly see how many minutes and seconds there are left until tip or a half is over.

At least we will have PxP commentary for this one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 02, 2022, 02:23:44 PM
It is hard to watch a MacsLive production and then turn on the Penn State Behrend broadcast, but I am thankful for the opportunity to watch nonetheless.

This Carnegie Mellon team has a serious shot at a UAA championship, as do others, though I still think it comes down to Washington University and Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 02, 2022, 02:46:44 PM
Halftime-- Carnegie Mellon 31, Penn State Behrend 29.  Not the best non-conference first half for the Tartans, but RJ Holmes already has 10 points.

Live stream of warmups from the Oglethorpe blacktop court in Atlanta underway for Emory at Oglethorpe tipping off at 3 PM Eastern.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 02, 2022, 02:59:57 PM
Play temporarily stopped early in the second half in Erie, PA due to an injured referee, but the ref is walking off under his own power with the assistance of the trainers.  The rest of the Carnegie Mellon vs Penn State Behrend will be played with 2 officials, according to the PxP commentary.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 02, 2022, 03:18:16 PM
I have switched to watching the live stream of the Emory v Oglethorpe game from the Blacktop in Atlanta.

Checking live stats of CMU v Penn State Behrend--  Behrend leading over CMU 46-44 with 9:20 left.


CMU only has 5 assists on their 16 made baskets.

RJ Holmes has 17 points-- still only Tartan in double figures.  Penn State Behrend has 2 players in double figures at 22 and 16 points respectively, and one other Lion, Owen Flisnik has 15 rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 02, 2022, 03:29:14 PM
Live stats now have Behrend leading over CMU 62-60 with 2:13 left.

2 Lions with 20+ point games (RJ Marsh and Kenny Fukon)

CMU was up by 2 at the half-- this could end up being the first loss of the season for Carnegie Mellon when leading at halftime.  So far, CMU is 4-0 in games this season when up by halftime.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 02, 2022, 03:54:49 PM
Final from Erie, PA--

Penn State-Behrend 73, Carnegie Mellon 70

CMU attempted a prayer shot from half court to tie the game and send it OT-- it hit the rim and the backboard and went out.

Leading scorers for Carnegie Mellon:

RJ Holmes-- 24 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists

Jack Stone-- 14 points, 4 rebounds

Sean Oberman-- 13 points, 4 rebounds

Nick Nakasian-- 7 rebounds

Leading scorers for Penn State Behrend--

Kenny Fukon-- 29 points (career high), 6 rebounds

RJ Marsh-- 23 points

Owen Flisnik grabbed 16 rebounds for the Lions.

Game ended with 2 officials refereeing the contest when 1 official left the game with an injury early in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 02, 2022, 04:24:42 PM
Emory comfortably ahead over Oglethorpe by 20 points with 8 min left at the Blacktop in Atlanta-- 72-52.

Matthew Schner with a double double of 18 points and 14 rebounds for Emory so far.

2 other Eagles in double figures (Nick Stuck and Logan Shanahan)

DeMitri Chambers with a 20+ point game for the Petrels.

Emory outrebounding Oglethrope 47 to 19 so far.

Emory made 12 of 28 from 3 point land for the game so far.

(Game final at 4:35 PM Eastern-- Emory 87, Oglethorpe 65)



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 02, 2022, 04:40:31 PM
Non-conference men's basketball games still scheduled for this week:

Monday, January 3, 2022--

Case Western Reserve at Hilbert

Tuesday, January 4--

1.)  Huntingdon at Emory

2.)  Carnegie Mellon at Messiah (This is a make-up non-conference game-- Carnegie Mellon at Allegheny was cancelled earlier this season due to COVID-19 protocols.)

Wednesday, January 5--

Rochester at Buffalo State

UAA play scheduled to open on Saturday, January 8.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 03, 2022, 10:10:51 AM
Ranks of OWPs of UAA men's basketball teams according to the NCAA Toughest Schedule of DIII teams provided by NCAA Stats through games of January 2, 2022.

Cumulative OWPs of past and future opposition also included with the current OWPs.


1.)  Carnegie Mellon-- OWP is .670 (ranked #9 in DIII), cumulative OWP is .708

2.)  Brandeis-- OWP is .622 (ranked #30 in DIII), cumulative OWP is .707

3.)  Emory-- OWP is .614 (ranked #34 in DIII), cumulative OWP is .687

4.)  Rochester-- OWP is .603  (ranked #43 in DIII), cumulative OWP is .672

5.)  Chicago-- OWP is .496  (ranked tied for #187), cumulative OWP is .667

6.)  Case Western Reserve-- OWP is .484 (ranked #216), cumulative OWP is .627

7.)  Wash U-- OWP is .466 (ranked #249), cumulative OWP is .611

8.)  NYU-- OWP is .402 (ranked #358), cumulative OWP is .617
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 03, 2022, 02:49:18 PM
CWRU at Hilbert-- men warming up.

No live stats for this one, and there was no commentary in the first half of this doubleheader when the CWRU and Hilbert women played each other.

Hilbert men (today's opponent for CWRU) enter this contest at 5-7, 1-3 in the AMCC.

3:43 PM Eastern update-- CWRU 55, Hilbert 36 at halftime.  No live stats or commentary on this feed.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 03, 2022, 04:42:09 PM
Final today in the only non-conference men's basketball game today--

Case Western Reserve 102, Hilbert 80

There were no live stats, so I will have to wait until Hilbert posts the box score.

Update-- Box score is now up.  For CWRU, Cole Frilling led all scorers with 25 points, while Mitch Prendergast and Brian Hines scored 14 and 11 points respectively to lead the Spartans.

Note-- tonight, instead of Bates at Brandeis,  the Bates Athletic Director, Jason Fein, is the first guest on Hoopsville tonight.   He will appear in his role as a member of the DIII Championships Committee and the DIII Management Council. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 04, 2022, 12:20:50 PM
Congrats to Matthew Schner of Emory on being named to the D3Hoops.com Team of the Week for Games Dec. 13, 2021 to Jan. 2, 2022.

EmoryAthletics just sent out a tweet at 12:09 PM Eastern-- Today's Emory men's basketball game vs Huntingdon has been cancelled due to COVID-19 protocols.

1 non-conference game still scheduled today:

Carnegie Mellon at Messiah-- Scheduled tip at 6 PM Eastern.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 04, 2022, 01:43:05 PM
Messiah Athletics tweeted at 12:24 PM Eastern Tuesday January 4 that tonight's game of Carnegie Mellon at Messiah in men's basketball has been cancelled due to COVID-19 protocols.

Therefore, there are no men's non-conference games involving UAA teams today.

1 more non-conference game still scheduled this week:

Wednesday, January 5-- Rochester at Buffalo State-- Scheduled tip at 5 PM Eastern
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 04, 2022, 05:25:17 PM
I do not know what this means in terms of how close NYU is to lifting their athletics suspension, but this afternoon, NYU announced a new updated spectator policy that stated that NYU will adopt the same spectator policy as Wash U currently has once NYU resumes intercollegiate competition-- all home contests will be conducted behind closed doors, with no spectators allowed at NYU athletic events.

All NYU athletic facilities (Palladium, Brooklyn Athletic Facility, 404 Fitness) still remain closed to the NYU community until further notice.

This announcement was made by a tweet from NYU athletics at 2:47 PM Eastern Tuesday, January 4, 2021.

Release:  gonyuathletics.com/news/2022/1/4/general-nyu-athletics-announces-updated-spectator-policy.aspx (http://gonyuathletics.com/news/2022/1/4/general-nyu-athletics-announces-updated-spectator-policy.aspx)

(PS-- 5:37 AM Eastern-- Wednesday, January 5, 2021-- NYU wrestling not competing at the Maganaro Duals at Ursinus College this Saturday, January 8, due to the ongoing NYU Athletics suspension.)



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 05, 2022, 11:37:30 AM
At this time, Rochester at Buffalo State is still scheduled to be played today.

Congratulations to Rochester men's basketball coach Luke Flockerzi on being named as one of DIII Most Impactful Coaches for 2021-22 by Silver Waves Media:

10:38 AM Eastern Rochester press release:

uofrathletics.com/news/2022/1/5/mens-basketball-flockerzi-named-one-of-division-iiis-most-impactful-coaches.aspx (http://uofrathletics.com/news/2022/1/5/mens-basketball-flockerzi-named-one-of-division-iiis-most-impactful-coaches.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 05, 2022, 11:52:17 AM
I have never heard of Silver Waves Media before, but I believe every UAA coach was named to their Most Impactful Coach list except for Jean Bain.  I think their criteria required individuals to be a head coach for five years or more.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 05, 2022, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 05, 2022, 11:52:17 AM
I have never heard of Silver Waves Media before, but I believe every UAA coach was named to their Most Impactful Coach list except for Jean Bain.  I think their criteria required individuals to be a head coach for five years or more.

That is correct, and in addition the individual must still be an active coach to be named to the list.  The Brandeis position is Jean Bain's first as a head coach.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 05, 2022, 12:30:19 PM
Ouch!  >:(   Buffalo State is charging $5.00 to watch a live Boxcast stream of tonight's scheduled game of Rochester at Buffalo State, with no guarantee of watching the game again on demand once you have watched the game once.

We all know how a lot of people feel about Rochester's paywall system.

Well, I paid the toll.  Hopefully, the game still goes on as scheduled.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 05, 2022, 02:03:22 PM
Brandeis schedule update:

Bates at Brandeis has been rescheduled to Wednesday, February 16, 2022 with a scheduled tip at 7 PM Eastern:

brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule (http://brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 05, 2022, 05:42:10 PM
Rochester at Buffalo State tipped off on time.

No commentary on the live feed-- Basically, it was $5.00 just to see the live stream with natural background noise.

Live stats available.

1 minute left to play in first half.

Ryan Algier hasn't played yet for Rochester due to unidisclosed reasons.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 05, 2022, 05:58:20 PM
Halftime in Buffalo, NY--

Rochester 39, Buffalo State 28

Leadng scorers for Rochester--

Brian Amabilino Perez-- 11 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists

Mitchell Kershner, 9 points

Trent Noordsij, 6 points

Dan Masino has 6 rebounds for Rochester-- tied with Brian Amabilino Perez in that category.



Leading scorers for Buffalo State

Sheldon Adams, 13 points

No other Buffalo State Bengal has 5 or more points.

Philbert Weekes has 4 rebounds for Buffalo State

Aaron Davis and Sheldon Adams have 3 assists a piece for the Bengals.

Rochester shot 15 of 37 from the field in the first half (40.5%), 5 of 16 from 3 pt land (31.3%), and 4 of 5 from the charity stripe (80%).

Buffalo State shot 10 of 31 from the field (32.3%), 3 of 13 from 3 pt land (23.1%), and 5 of 5 from the charity stripe.

Rochester outrebounding Buffalo State 26 to 17, 10 to 4 on the offensive glass.

Rochester made 11 assists and turned the ball over 9 times.  Buffalo State made 7 assists and turned the ball over 10 times.

Points off turnovers:  Rochester leads 8-4.

Points in the paint:  Rochester leads 20-10.

Second chance points:  Rochester leads 9-2.

Rochester played 11 players in the first half-- Ryan Algier DNP. (probably not back yet from 1st semester disclosed injury.)

No commentary on the live stream from Buffalo State.





Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 05, 2022, 06:08:32 PM
$5 for a stream with no commentary! Terrible!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 05, 2022, 06:14:13 PM
Rochester leading 56-38 with 13:27 left

Rochester has 2 players in double figures-- Brian Amablino Perez and Mitchell Kershner.

Perez has 19 points and Kershner has 11 points so far for the Yellowjackets.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 05, 2022, 06:22:11 PM
Rochester leading 64-43 with 10:22 left in regulation.

Brian Amabilino Perez already has a 20+ point game for Rochester.

6:24 PM Eastern update-- Rochester leading 68-49, and Ross Gang has become the 3rd Yellowjacket to score double figures tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 05, 2022, 06:29:21 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 05, 2022, 06:08:32 PM
$5 for a stream with no commentary! Terrible!

Allen does us all a real service with his in-game Yellowjackets updates. "Deiscanton: He pays to watch Rochester so that you don't have to."  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 05, 2022, 06:36:47 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 05, 2022, 06:08:32 PM
$5 for a stream with no commentary! Terrible!

Did you say, "[That's] terrible!" in your best Charles Barkley voice?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 05, 2022, 06:44:44 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 05, 2022, 06:29:21 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 05, 2022, 06:08:32 PM
$5 for a stream with no commentary! Terrible!

Allen does us all a real service with his in-game Yellowjackets updates. "Deiscanton: He pays to watch Rochester so that you don't have to."  ;)

That was exactly what I was going to post! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 05, 2022, 07:07:15 PM
Final:

Rochester 99, Buffalo State 57

Big story of the night:  Ryan Algier not back yet from injury.  Since there was no commentary tonight, maybe JC DeLass will give a timetable on Saturday when Rochester hosts Emory-- or maybe not.

Other big story of the night:  Rochester plays 18 players tonight, 15 of them score in what was a showcase game for the Rochester players.

(Note: under UAA rules in league play, a UAA team playing a conference game on the road can only play 14 players if the team is travelling by air at any segment of the weekend road trip, and 15 players if the weekend trip is done entirely by bus.  No limit on the number of players the home UAA team can play in a UAA conference game.)

Just a correction to make-- Dan Masino became the 3rd Rochester player to score in double figures this game-- Ross Gang did not hit double figures, as he finished with 8 points.

For Rochester--

Brian Amabilino Perez-- 25 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 blocks

Dan Masino-- 14 points, 8 rebounds

Mitchell Kershner-- 11 points

Ross Gang-- 8 points

For Buffalo State--

Sheldon Adams-- 26 points, 4 assists

Rochester shot 40 of 73 from the field (54.8%), 7 of 21 from 3 pt land, 12 of 15 from the charity stripe. (80%)

Buffalo State shot 22 of 60 from the field (36.7%), 5 of 23 from 3 pt land (21.7%), 8 of 10 from the charity stripe (80%).

Rochester outrebounded Buffalo State 52-23, 17-4 on the offensive glass.

Rochester made 22 assists and turned the ball over 15 times.

Buffalo State made 12 assists and turned the ball over 19 times.

Points off turnovers:  Rochester wins that one, 20-6

Bench points:  Rochester wins that one, 35-7.

Points in the paint:  Rochester wins that one, 56-26

Second chance points:  Rochester wins that one, 19-2.

Rochester improves to 8-2, 0-0 in the UAA.

Buffalo State drops to 1-9, 0-3 in the SUNYAC, 0-5 in games played at home.

Next up:  The UAA starts play on Saturday.

Scheduled games for first day (At least scheduled before Omicron hit):

Emory at Rochester

NYU at Brandeis

CWRU at Carnegie Mellon

Wash U at Chicago









Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 05, 2022, 07:24:47 PM
The Multi-regional Topics threads have been killing it lately, lol.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2022, 07:28:05 PM

From what I've heard, January was an optimistic return for Algier.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 05, 2022, 07:38:29 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2022, 07:28:05 PM

From what I've heard, January was an optimistic return for Algier.

We (at least those of us who follow the UAA closely) all knew that. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: thebear on January 05, 2022, 08:51:00 PM
As posted on the Region 3 board, Buff State had 6 players test positive for COVID, and three more have apparently been dismissed.

Bengals had a 17 player roster but only 8 including 4 regular starters saw action.

Hopefully no superspreader event here.

My men's & women's Bears are scheduled to play in Buffalo on Friday night.

Old Chinese proverb [some say curse], "may you live in interesting times."

Sounds like the Yellowjackets were a bit angry at Matt Snyder ranking Oswego just ahead of them in Region III and made a statement.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 05, 2022, 11:58:49 PM
Quote from: thebear on January 05, 2022, 08:51:00 PM
As posted on the Region 3 board, Buff State had 6 players test positive for COVID, and three more have apparently been dismissed.

Bengals had a 17 player roster but only 8 including 4 regular starters saw action.

Hopefully no superspreader event here.

My men's & women's Bears are scheduled to play in Buffalo on Friday night.

I hear that beef on weck sandwiches and Genessee Cream Ale are the culinary equivalent of a monoclonal antibody treatment.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 05, 2022, 11:59:38 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 05, 2022, 06:36:47 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 05, 2022, 06:08:32 PM
$5 for a stream with no commentary! Terrible!

Did you say, "[That's] terrible!" in your best Charles Barkley voice?

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Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: thebear on January 06, 2022, 09:42:23 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 05, 2022, 11:58:49 PM
I hear that beef on weck sandwiches and Genessee Cream Ale are the culinary equivalent of a monoclonal antibody treatment.

I don't partake of alcohol, but beef on weck is certainly high on the list of favorite comestibles since I was a kid.  I would bet that very hot Buffalo-style wings would also immunize you against certain viruses.

Were it not for my ever advancing age, a foot of snow currently falling downwind of the lakes, and COVID, I was considering making the WNY trip, as my Bills are also playing their final regular season home game on Sunday, but wiser minds prevailed and I will sit here in my cozy abode in the North Woods.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 06, 2022, 12:43:31 PM
No tweet yet from NYU Athletics or Brandeis Athletics, but Saturday's NYU at Brandeis men's basketball game scheduled for a 1 PM Eastern tip has been postponed to a future date, per Brandeis schedule site: 

(Postponement has probably already been announced for the men's game due to COVID-19 protocols among the Brandeis men's basketball team.  As of now, NYU at Brandeis women's basketball game is still scheduled for Saturday, now with a rescheduled tip for 2 PM Eastern. If the postponement was due to dangerous travel conditions because of COVID-19, NYU has until tomorrow to announce a postponement because of travel.)

brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule (http://brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule)

NYU men's basketball schedule also confirms the postponement:

gonyuathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule (http://gonyuathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule)

Confirmed on the UAA Men's Basketball Schedule as well as to the postponement:

uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule (http://uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 06, 2022, 02:00:37 PM
No spectators at CWRU

https://athletics.case.edu/general/2021-22/releases/20220105dhal3j
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 06, 2022, 02:11:48 PM
NYU has published a digital game program today for the NYU home basketball weekend of January 14 and January 16, when the Violets host Case Western Reserve and Carnegie Mellon, with stats through January 7 for both the men's and women's basketball teams.  This is leading me to believe that NYU has partially lifted its athletics activity suspension so that the basketball teams can compete in UAA competition.   The new spectator policy that NYU announced earlier this week is now also leading me to conclude that the December 15 athletics suspension has at least been partially lifted so that the NYU basketball teams can return to competition for UAA play.

2021 New York University Basketball Gameday 4 (http://publogix.com/e/21-NYUBBGD4)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 06, 2022, 03:32:29 PM
I just read a tweet from Dave McHugh posted at 3:07 PM Eastern acknowledging that the Brandeis men's basketball team has COVID-19 issues.  Yes, the NYU at Brandeis men's basketball game for this Saturday has been postponed to a future date.  At this time, the schedules for Brandeis, CWRU, Carnegie Mellon, and the UAA men's basketball schedule site do not yet reflect that the Brandeis men's basketball games for January 14 and 16 have been postponed.

The Brandeis v Union men's basketball non-conference game has been cancelled.  The Brandeis men's basketball non-conference game vs Bates has been rescheduled to February 16.  The NYU at Brandeis men's basketball game scheduled for this Saturday has been postponed.  That is all I know.  Any UAA talks this week have been done behind closed doors.

Dave McHugh also speculates that the first 3 UAA games involving Brandeis men's basketball have been cancelled and will not be made up.  First of all, I refer you to the UAA Covid 19 Cancellation and Forfeit policy which was published in a memorandum from UAA Executive Vice President Dick Rasmussen on August 18, 2021 on which site policies and procedures for UAA games also have been attached.


UAA COVID Cancellation and Forfeit Policy (http://uaasports.info/information/forms/UAA_Covid_Cancellation_and_Forfeit_Policy.pdf)


Every effort is to be made to reschedule a UAA game that is postponed due to COVID-19 issues if at all possible.

The UAA contests cannot be cancelled without mutual agreement from the athletic administrators of all teams affected by this decision.  Decisions on rescheduling may be delayed to an appropriate point in the season in the event that rescheduling may involve substantial expenditures beyond budget.

I do not know where Dave is getting his information, but have the athletic administrators of Brandeis, NYU, Carnegie Mellon, and Case Western Reserve directly spoken to Dave about this, where if I directly asked what the situation was, those adminstrators wouldn't tell me this?

I have no reasons to believe that the Brandeis men's basketball games up to January 16 have been cancelled yet, or that "UAA teams scheduled to play the Judges are now scrambling to fill with non-conference games."  I believe that the last sentence that Dave tweeted is unfounded speculation unless he has concrete proof and evidence to back up his assertions.  The Brandeis/NYU men's basketball game can be made up in the midweek of the last week of the season. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2022, 04:09:15 PM

Brandeis has them all marked postponed now on their schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2022, 04:16:53 PM
I was simply told that coaches are looking for replacements. It doesn't mean those games get replaced, but that coaches are looking for games. They very well could be hedging their bets.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 06, 2022, 04:19:12 PM
Okay, Brandeis Athletics tweeted at 4:11 PM Eastern on Thursday, January 6, 2021, and just confirmed the postponement of the men's basketball games of January 14 and January 16 between Carnegie Mellon and Case Western Reserve University and the rescheduled tip times for the women's basketball games of those 2 dates between Carnegie Mellon and CWRU, as Dave McHugh earlier tweeted about an hour before.

Now, the information is public record.

But, it only says that the games have been postponed, not cancelled.  Under the UAA Covid Cancellation and Forfeit Policy, these games are supposed to be made up if at any way possible.  A decision on the make-up dates can be delayed to later in the season because there are substantial expenditures involved in making up the games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2022, 04:33:51 PM

I don't think the fact teams might be looking for games this weekend means the UAA games are cancelled.  Almost every school has lost non-con games to COVID this year (although I think CWRU might be an exception) and might likely use a postponed conference weekend to pick up one they weren't sure they were going to get.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 06, 2022, 04:38:32 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2022, 04:16:53 PM
I was simply told that coaches are looking for replacements. It doesn't mean those games get replaced, but that coaches are looking for games. They very well could be hedging their bets.

This can be very important.  If the first 3 UAA Brandeis men's basketball games have been agreed by all teams involved to be cancelled games, this could mean that the Brandeis men's basketball team will be disqualified from competing for the UAA Men's Basketball Championship and AQ this season due to failure to play all 14 UAA games scheduled.    Do we have a Johns Hopkins situation involving Brandeis this season where the results vs Brandeis men's basketball cannot be used to break ties?  I do not know these answers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2022, 04:50:04 PM
To be blunt ... no one has all the answers right now. It is a very fluid situation and even situations where conferences had set plans going in are getting thought about again.

And I'm not following the Hopkins reference ... or I'm forgetting it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 06, 2022, 04:54:15 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2022, 04:50:04 PM
To be blunt ... no one has all the answers right now. It is a very fluid situation and even situations where conferences had set plans going in are getting thought about again.

This is the thing!  No point in referencing Covid-19 policies from last semester or even last week because they will certainly change.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 06, 2022, 04:56:06 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2022, 04:16:53 PM
I was simply told that coaches are looking for replacements. It doesn't mean those games get replaced, but that coaches are looking for games. They very well could be hedging their bets.

Okay, I have NYU still needing 2 non-conference games to schedule and play, and I have Carnegie Mellon still needing 1 non-conference game to schedule, as they already have a Monday January 10, 2022 game scheduled vs La Roche.  Case Western Reserve has already completed its non-league schedule at 10-1.

NYU is currently 8-1, and Carnegie Mellon is currently 6-3.  Assuming that NYU at least partially lifted their athletics suspension on Tuesday, January 4 when they announced the new spectator policy, NYU men's basketball could play a non-conference game this weekend or on another date to be determined, and so could Carnegie Mellon for Friday, January 14, or some other date to be determined.  (Jan. 16 has Carnegie Mellon at NYU.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 06, 2022, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2022, 04:50:04 PM
To be blunt ... no one has all the answers right now. It is a very fluid situation and even situations where conferences had set plans going in are getting thought about again.

And I'm not following the Hopkins reference ... or I'm forgetting it.

Johns Hopkins never played a double round-robin-- the Bluejays always played a single round robin in UAA basketball.  In the late 1990s, UAA teams were only eligible for the AQ in basketball if they played a double round-robin vs the other 7 UAA teams who also played a double round robin, as well as a single round robin vs Johns Hopkins.  Since JHU competed in both the Centennial and UAA leagues, Johns Hopkins competed for the Centennial Conference AQ in basketball.  Therefore, the teams eligible for the UAA title played 15 UAA games, and the results in the games vs Johns Hopkins could not be used to settle tiebreakers, since JHU never played home and away UAA games vs all of the other 8 teams in the same season.  For example, in one season, Brandeis would host Johns Hopkins in basketball, and the following basketball season, Brandeis would travel to Baltimore.  Since JHU did not play 15 UAA games in a season, they were not eligible for the UAA title.

The standings those years would always have an asterisk beside the name of Johns Hopkins.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2022, 05:25:43 PM
Oh those Hopkins policies ... okay.

I think at this point it would have to be something very different.

I'll ask this as well ... I understand "postponed" ... but when is a UAA team going to be able to make another trip to Boston this year to make up a basketball game? How could they afford it? And the same for Brandeis to make a trip anywhere else?

I understand the games are postponed ... but the reality is ... I don't see how they reschedule these games. This isn't a two hour drive down the interstate to another conference foe.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 06, 2022, 06:01:10 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2022, 05:25:43 PM
Oh those Hopkins policies ... okay.

I think at this point it would have to be something very different.

I'll ask this as well ... I understand "postponed" ... but when is a UAA team going to be able to make another trip to Boston this year to make up a basketball game? How could they afford it? And the same for Brandeis to make a trip anywhere else?

I understand the games are postponed ... but the reality is ... I don't see how they reschedule these games. This isn't a two hour drive down the interstate to another conference foe.

The point that I am trying to make is that the UAA Basketball Code of Conduct is not written the way that the new UAA Baseball and Softball Codes of Conduct are written.

When UAA baseball and softball decided to go single round robin to the other UAA campuses just a few years ago in a new policy to determine their championship titles (Remember, there are no AQs for the UAA in baseball and softball), the policy for determining a championship became best win-loss percentage among the teams competiting for the title, provided that each team plays a minimum number of UAA games.  The single round robin consists of 4 baseball games at each site that each team must play-- for a maximum of 16 games, as there are only 5 baseball teams playing for the UAA baseball title.  In softball, 6 teams compete for the UAA softball title.  In baseball, a UAA team must complete a minimum of 10 regulation games to be eligible for the baseball title, and in softball, each UAA team must also complete a minimum of 10 regulation games.  If there is a tie in win-loss percentage among the top teams who completed a minimum of 10 games, co-champions are determined.   The baseball and softball codes of conduct recognized that inclement weather can wipe out games on a permanent basis.  For example, a UAA team can travel to another baseball or softball site, but not be able to play due to heavy rain on all the eligible days of competition.

The basketball code of conduct, on the other hand, states that in order to be eligible for the championship, a team must complete a full schedule (which means a full double round robin) against all teams competing in UAA basketball-- in other words, all 14 games must be completed.  The best win loss percentage among all teams who successfully complete all 14 games is the Association Champion.  In the case of a tie between teams with the best win loss percentage among all teams who successfully complete the double round robin, co-champions shall be declared and we go to the tiebreakers.

When decisions are made on rescheduling UAA games according to the new COVID 19 cancellation and forfeit policy, due consideration must be given to the effect of not rescheduling on the potential selection of either team or other UAA teams to post-season play whether by automatic qualification or by at-large selection.

We do agree that there are substantial expenditures beyond the normal budget involved in rescheduling UAA games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2022, 06:04:37 PM
deis... I'll leave this for you: https://twitter.com/CMU_TartanHoops/status/1479225883370131462
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 06, 2022, 06:18:30 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2022, 06:04:37 PM
deis... I'll leave this for you: https://twitter.com/CMU_TartanHoops/status/1479225883370131462

Carnegie Mellon still has one non-conference game to reschedule.  The Tartans are 6-3 on the men's side, and they already have a 10th non-conference game scheduled vs La Roche on Monday, Jan. 10 (a make up game from a game cancelled earlier this season).    The game that CMU is looking for is non-conference game #11.  The Tartans already had games against Allegheny and Bethany (WV) cancelled this season.  The home game vs La Roche makes up for the lost game vs Allegheny, and CMU is now looking for one to replace the cancelled game vs Bethany, as the originally scheduled makeup game vs Messiah which was to be played earlier this week also got cancelled as well.

CMU plays at NYU on Sunday, January 16, so they can use January 13 or 14 to play non-conference game #11 (another makeup game from a non-conference game that was cancelled this season.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2022, 06:56:13 PM
I am just hearing that isn't the only ones being looked at right now.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 06, 2022, 07:01:33 PM
Not sure if this was mentioned, but Rochester has moved to a no spectator policy, but they offering up their live stream for free: https://uofrathletics.com/news/2022/1/6/general-ur-emory-hoop-doubleheader-will-be-streamed-at-no-charge.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: stlawus on January 06, 2022, 07:45:13 PM
I would really like to know where UR invests the $ they get from the poor saps that buy the streams. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2022, 08:50:19 PM
Quote from: stlawus on January 06, 2022, 07:45:13 PM
I would really like to know where UR invests the $ they get from the poor saps that buy the streams.

I'd assume in the cost of the stream, right?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 06, 2022, 09:46:21 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2022, 08:50:19 PM
Quote from: stlawus on January 06, 2022, 07:45:13 PM
I would really like to know where UR invests the $ they get from the poor saps that buy the streams.

I'd assume in the cost of the stream, right?

I don't like the $7.95 day fee for 24 hours of access for live and on-demand viewing of Rochester home games, but $10.95 a month for a whole month's access to Rochester home games for live and on-demand viewing (with JC DeLass on commentary for basketball and football) does seem reasonable to me (YMMV)-- assuming, of course, that you remember to cancel the subscription when you no longer need it.   Of course, I am a "sap" who now is investing $16.95 a month to Big Ten Plus to watch former Wash U women's basketball coach Nancy Fahey lose basketball games at Illinois, and I did not even try to subscribe to Big Ten Plus until a month ago.  ;D  I'll have to cancel both the Rochester and Big Ten Plus subscriptions at the end of the basketball season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: stlawus on January 06, 2022, 10:32:47 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2022, 08:50:19 PM
Quote from: stlawus on January 06, 2022, 07:45:13 PM
I would really like to know where UR invests the $ they get from the poor saps that buy the streams.

I'd assume in the cost of the stream, right?

Well that's part of the larger issue.  Is anyone supposed to believe the UR athletic budget can't handle livestreaming?  This is a school with an endowment the size of of some countries' GDP.

Admittedly, I was a sap back in 2014 when I purchased a stream when SLU soccer played at UR.  The only one I ever purchased since.  Hobart used to pay wall their streams too but removed it 5 years ago.   If everyone else can do it, I don't see why UR can't.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 06, 2022, 11:30:27 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 06, 2022, 09:46:21 PM
Of course, I am a "sap" who now is investing $16.95 a month to Big Ten Plus to watch former Wash U women's basketball coach Nancy Fahey lose basketball games at Illinois, and I did not even try to subscribe to Big Ten Plus until a month ago.  ;D  I'll have to cancel both the Rochester and Big Ten Plus subscriptions at the end of the basketball season.

Sadly, I don't think you'll need that subscription after this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 07, 2022, 01:40:54 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 06, 2022, 11:30:27 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 06, 2022, 09:46:21 PM
Of course, I am a "sap" who now is investing $16.95 a month to Big Ten Plus to watch former Wash U women's basketball coach Nancy Fahey lose basketball games at Illinois, and I did not even try to subscribe to Big Ten Plus until a month ago.  ;D  I'll have to cancel both the Rochester and Big Ten Plus subscriptions at the end of the basketball season.

Sadly, I don't think you'll need that subscription after this season.

By "sadly" and "that subscription", you mean Big Ten Plus, correct?   I don't mind.  ESPN Plus gives more value for the buck, anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 07, 2022, 10:01:33 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 06, 2022, 11:30:27 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 06, 2022, 09:46:21 PM
Of course, I am a "sap" who now is investing $16.95 a month to Big Ten Plus to watch former Wash U women's basketball coach Nancy Fahey lose basketball games at Illinois, and I did not even try to subscribe to Big Ten Plus until a month ago.  ;D  I'll have to cancel both the Rochester and Big Ten Plus subscriptions at the end of the basketball season.

Sadly, I don't think you'll need that subscription after this season.

Gotta say I'm surprised Fahey hasn't done better at Illinois.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 07, 2022, 10:55:01 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 07, 2022, 10:01:33 AM
Gotta say I'm surprised Fahey hasn't done better at Illinois.

I am just as surprised.  I thought that was a great hire and great decision by everyone involved, but I think they are currently second to last or last in the Big 10 in her fifth year with losses to mid majors.  It is a tough, tough business...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue_jays on January 07, 2022, 11:40:47 AM
Quote from: stlawus on January 06, 2022, 10:32:47 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2022, 08:50:19 PM
Quote from: stlawus on January 06, 2022, 07:45:13 PM
I would really like to know where UR invests the $ they get from the poor saps that buy the streams.

I'd assume in the cost of the stream, right?

Well that's part of the larger issue.  Is anyone supposed to believe the UR athletic budget can't handle livestreaming?  This is a school with an endowment the size of of some countries' GDP.

Admittedly, I was a sap back in 2014 when I purchased a stream when SLU soccer played at UR.  The only one I ever purchased since.  Hobart used to pay wall their streams too but removed it 5 years ago.   If everyone else can do it, I don't see why UR can't.

Endowment has nothing to do with it. In D3, the department gets what the university deigns to give them. Each athletics department must then figure out the best way to chop up that pie amongst at least 20 sports and the myriad needs for each of those sports. For things as benign as buying extra pairs of shoes for your track & field teams. Things you don't even think about.
If you want to buy a full streaming setup with bells and whistles, it ain't cheap. It depends on whether you're streaming through a laptop or a tricaster (which cost tens of thousands BTW). The cost of doing multi-camera streams, and replicating all your equipment for at least 2-3 different setups based on sports being played at the same time, will run you well over $10,000. The new Macbook Pro with top-flight specs will run you $2,700 to $3,500 alone. A good camera can be $2,000 and up. Trust me, there's a lot involved.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 07, 2022, 12:41:27 PM
Washington University and Chicago has been called due to Covid-19 protocols. 

They used to leave very early for this game.  It is possible that the team was on the bus and pulling through Bloomington-Normal when the news was announced.  Maybe they can pick up a game with the Elmhurst or North Central while they are in town, depending on who had to cancel?

I guess they have to operate as if every UAA game will be played.

This game could be made up with a double-header in St. Louis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 07, 2022, 01:13:12 PM
This is sucking more and more. NBA arenas can have 15,000 fans but a D3 game, which attracts anywhere between 50 to 3,000 gets postponed. SMH.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 07, 2022, 01:33:46 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 07, 2022, 12:41:27 PM
Washington University and Chicago has been called due to Covid-19 protocols. 

They used to leave very early for this game.  It is possible that the team was on the bus and pulling through Bloomington-Normal when the news was announced.  Maybe they can pick up a game with the Elmhurst or North Central while they are in town, depending on who had to cancel?

I guess they have to operate as if every UAA game will be played.

This game could be made up with a double-header in St. Louis.

It is very possible that Wash U athletic director Anthony Azama gave the go-ahead this morning to send both Bears basketball teams on the bus to Chicago, but the Chicago athletic director was forced to make the decision to cancel at least one of the games, if not the entire doubleheader, while the teams were en route, due to COVID-19 protocols.  (I just got on line and I still have to check on the women's schedules for updates.)

1:35 PM Eastern update-- only the men's game between Wash U and Chicago got postponed.  The Wash U at Chicago women's game is still scheduled to be played tomorrow at this time with a scheduled tip time of 3 PM Central/4 PM Eastern.   It is not like you can take the men's team off the bus and turn them around on a separate bus back to St. Louis while still sending the women onward to Chicago, though.

1:43 PM Eastern-- Chicago Athletics sent out the tweet confirming the postponement of tomorrow's Wash U at Chicago men's game due to COVID 19 protocols at 11:50 AM Central/12:50 PM Eastern.  The women's game between Wash U and Chicago is still scheduled to be played tomorrow at this time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2022, 01:54:09 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 07, 2022, 01:13:12 PM
This is sucking more and more. NBA arenas can have 15,000 fans but a D3 game, which attracts anywhere between 50 to 3,000 gets postponed. SMH.

I think to some degree we are comparing apples and oranges.

First off, the policies DIII is operating under are the same as DI and we are seeing DI games getting postponed and canceled - even big-time BIG 10, ACC, etc.

Secondly, individual schools can have other mandates for their students and that could be driving the ship. Unlike the professional leagues, DIII institutions have to consider their entire campuses and they aren't going to treat athletes different than other students. Furthermore, with the future of institutions already in question especially with 2025 coming, no administration is going to just let stuff like this go on without managing it carefully.

Thirdly, NBA teams like all professional teams are monitoring their players. If they have COVID positive exposures and especially if they are symptomatic, they aren't letting those players play. And if enough players aren't available they are going to shut down the game. Look at what the NHL has had to deal with already which was more than just the border being closed and fans not being allowed in the stands. NFL has had to deal with player issues as well. Maybe the NBA is getting lucky that they haven't had wide-spread outbreaks, but maybe they are doing better with their protocols and "bubble" plans (for each team in a city) than everyone else.

And the NBA and professional leagues are also going to take on a bit more risk because if they shut things down too quickly or prematurely, they risk losing the entire league (not a joke; MLB was losing $600k per game in 2020 and last year was a really rough start). These leagues can't just play games in front of no one, so they are willing to take more risk. That isn't a risk college presidents and administrations are willing to take especially for high-profile and highly-respected institutions.

Comparing to the NBA with fans in the stands to DIII just isn't a fair comparison for more than I just mentioned.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 07, 2022, 02:01:48 PM
Here is my viewing schedule for tomorrow (assuming no further cancellations)

I will most likely be tuning in to the Emory at Rochester men's game at noon Eastern, followed by having the NYU at Brandeis women's game at 2 PM Eastern on my Roku TV while maybe having video of the Case Western Reserve at Carnegie Mellon's men's game on my Chromebook at the same time.  I will have live stats tabbed in on my Chromebook as well.  I will probably be watching the 4 PM Eastern women's game between CWRU and Carnegie Mellon (since the Brandeis women are scheduled to play both teams the following weekend) whlle having the other women's game between Wash U and Chicago on live stats with the ability to switch to live video of that game if the one between CWRU and Carnegie Mellon turns out to be one-sided.  I will watch the Emory vs Rochester 2 PM Eastern tip women's game on demand last.

Bummer that the Wash U at Chicago men's game had to be postponed.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 07, 2022, 02:15:38 PM
Brandeis Athletics just tweeted at 1:54 PM Eastern that as of January 7th, the Brandeis spectator policy has been changed.  No spectators will be allowed at Brandeis home events, starting with tomorrow's scheduled NYU at Brandeis women's basketball game, and they apologize for the inconvenience to anyone who paid to take an express PCR test for the purpose of trying to qualify to get in to the Gosman building for tomorrow's game.

Personally, I do feel relieved at this.   The previous policy demanding a negative result on an RT-PCR test to be taken no more than 72 hours prior to the day of competition felt like a de facto ban on outside spectators anyway, given the big hurdles of getting an affordable PCR test these days for purposes of travel.    Brandeis should have announced the no spectators policy up front last week and not tried to play cute with the PCR test go around.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 07, 2022, 02:20:49 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on January 07, 2022, 11:40:47 AM
Quote from: stlawus on January 06, 2022, 10:32:47 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2022, 08:50:19 PM
Quote from: stlawus on January 06, 2022, 07:45:13 PM
I would really like to know where UR invests the $ they get from the poor saps that buy the streams.

I'd assume in the cost of the stream, right?

Well that's part of the larger issue.  Is anyone supposed to believe the UR athletic budget can't handle livestreaming?  This is a school with an endowment the size of of some countries' GDP.

Admittedly, I was a sap back in 2014 when I purchased a stream when SLU soccer played at UR.  The only one I ever purchased since.  Hobart used to pay wall their streams too but removed it 5 years ago.   If everyone else can do it, I don't see why UR can't.

Endowment has nothing to do with it. In D3, the department gets what the university deigns to give them. Each athletics department must then figure out the best way to chop up that pie amongst at least 20 sports and the myriad needs for each of those sports. For things as benign as buying extra pairs of shoes for your track & field teams. Things you don't even think about.
If you want to buy a full streaming setup with bells and whistles, it ain't cheap. It depends on whether you're streaming through a laptop or a tricaster (which cost tens of thousands BTW). The cost of doing multi-camera streams, and replicating all your equipment for at least 2-3 different setups based on sports being played at the same time, will run you well over $10,000. The new Macbook Pro with top-flight specs will run you $2,700 to $3,500 alone. A good camera can be $2,000 and up. Trust me, there's a lot involved.

Yet the vast majority of D3 schools can pull it off in some fashion without charging.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 07, 2022, 02:26:02 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 07, 2022, 02:20:49 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on January 07, 2022, 11:40:47 AM
Quote from: stlawus on January 06, 2022, 10:32:47 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2022, 08:50:19 PM
Quote from: stlawus on January 06, 2022, 07:45:13 PM
I would really like to know where UR invests the $ they get from the poor saps that buy the streams.

I'd assume in the cost of the stream, right?

Well that's part of the larger issue.  Is anyone supposed to believe the UR athletic budget can't handle livestreaming?  This is a school with an endowment the size of of some countries' GDP.

Admittedly, I was a sap back in 2014 when I purchased a stream when SLU soccer played at UR.  The only one I ever purchased since.  Hobart used to pay wall their streams too but removed it 5 years ago.   If everyone else can do it, I don't see why UR can't.

Endowment has nothing to do with it. In D3, the department gets what the university deigns to give them. Each athletics department must then figure out the best way to chop up that pie amongst at least 20 sports and the myriad needs for each of those sports. For things as benign as buying extra pairs of shoes for your track & field teams. Things you don't even think about.
If you want to buy a full streaming setup with bells and whistles, it ain't cheap. It depends on whether you're streaming through a laptop or a tricaster (which cost tens of thousands BTW). The cost of doing multi-camera streams, and replicating all your equipment for at least 2-3 different setups based on sports being played at the same time, will run you well over $10,000. The new Macbook Pro with top-flight specs will run you $2,700 to $3,500 alone. A good camera can be $2,000 and up. Trust me, there's a lot involved.

Yet the vast majority of D3 schools can pull it off in some fashion without charging.

How many of those D3 schools have regular commentary on the stream for sporting events?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 07, 2022, 02:28:23 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 07, 2022, 01:33:46 PM
1:35 PM Eastern update-- only the men's game between Wash U and Chicago got postponed.  The Wash U at Chicago women's game is still scheduled to be played tomorrow at this time with a scheduled tip time of 3 PM Central/4 PM Eastern.   It is not like you can take the men's team off the bus and turn them around on a separate bus back to St. Louis while still sending the women onward to Chicago, though.

I have a feeling that the team will make the most of the situation.  Chicago and all.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 07, 2022, 02:32:46 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2022, 01:54:09 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 07, 2022, 01:13:12 PM
This is sucking more and more. NBA arenas can have 15,000 fans but a D3 game, which attracts anywhere between 50 to 3,000 gets postponed. SMH.

I think to some degree we are comparing apples and oranges.

As a general rule, it is best to read these with a grain of salt or whatever the expression is.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2022, 03:16:47 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 07, 2022, 02:26:02 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 07, 2022, 02:20:49 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on January 07, 2022, 11:40:47 AM
Quote from: stlawus on January 06, 2022, 10:32:47 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2022, 08:50:19 PM
Quote from: stlawus on January 06, 2022, 07:45:13 PM
I would really like to know where UR invests the $ they get from the poor saps that buy the streams.

I'd assume in the cost of the stream, right?

Well that's part of the larger issue.  Is anyone supposed to believe the UR athletic budget can't handle livestreaming?  This is a school with an endowment the size of of some countries' GDP.

Admittedly, I was a sap back in 2014 when I purchased a stream when SLU soccer played at UR.  The only one I ever purchased since.  Hobart used to pay wall their streams too but removed it 5 years ago.   If everyone else can do it, I don't see why UR can't.

Endowment has nothing to do with it. In D3, the department gets what the university deigns to give them. Each athletics department must then figure out the best way to chop up that pie amongst at least 20 sports and the myriad needs for each of those sports. For things as benign as buying extra pairs of shoes for your track & field teams. Things you don't even think about.
If you want to buy a full streaming setup with bells and whistles, it ain't cheap. It depends on whether you're streaming through a laptop or a tricaster (which cost tens of thousands BTW). The cost of doing multi-camera streams, and replicating all your equipment for at least 2-3 different setups based on sports being played at the same time, will run you well over $10,000. The new Macbook Pro with top-flight specs will run you $2,700 to $3,500 alone. A good camera can be $2,000 and up. Trust me, there's a lot involved.

Yet the vast majority of D3 schools can pull it off in some fashion without charging.

How many of those D3 schools have regular commentary on the stream for sporting events?

Majority. Not sure the exact numbers, but games I tune into around the country more times than not have commentary of some kind.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 07, 2022, 03:23:45 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 07, 2022, 02:28:23 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 07, 2022, 01:33:46 PM
1:35 PM Eastern update-- only the men's game between Wash U and Chicago got postponed.  The Wash U at Chicago women's game is still scheduled to be played tomorrow at this time with a scheduled tip time of 3 PM Central/4 PM Eastern.   It is not like you can take the men's team off the bus and turn them around on a separate bus back to St. Louis while still sending the women onward to Chicago, though.

I have a feeling that the team will make the most of the situation.  Chicago and all.

If there are people in the Wash U traveling party who don't have their vax cards and proper ID with them, they won't be making the most of the situation in Chicago, that's for sure.

The suburbs are a different matter, of course.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 07, 2022, 03:28:21 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2022, 03:16:47 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 07, 2022, 02:26:02 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 07, 2022, 02:20:49 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on January 07, 2022, 11:40:47 AM
Quote from: stlawus on January 06, 2022, 10:32:47 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2022, 08:50:19 PM
Quote from: stlawus on January 06, 2022, 07:45:13 PM
I would really like to know where UR invests the $ they get from the poor saps that buy the streams.

I'd assume in the cost of the stream, right?

Well that's part of the larger issue.  Is anyone supposed to believe the UR athletic budget can't handle livestreaming?  This is a school with an endowment the size of of some countries' GDP.

Admittedly, I was a sap back in 2014 when I purchased a stream when SLU soccer played at UR.  The only one I ever purchased since.  Hobart used to pay wall their streams too but removed it 5 years ago.   If everyone else can do it, I don't see why UR can't.

Endowment has nothing to do with it. In D3, the department gets what the university deigns to give them. Each athletics department must then figure out the best way to chop up that pie amongst at least 20 sports and the myriad needs for each of those sports. For things as benign as buying extra pairs of shoes for your track & field teams. Things you don't even think about.
If you want to buy a full streaming setup with bells and whistles, it ain't cheap. It depends on whether you're streaming through a laptop or a tricaster (which cost tens of thousands BTW). The cost of doing multi-camera streams, and replicating all your equipment for at least 2-3 different setups based on sports being played at the same time, will run you well over $10,000. The new Macbook Pro with top-flight specs will run you $2,700 to $3,500 alone. A good camera can be $2,000 and up. Trust me, there's a lot involved.

Yet the vast majority of D3 schools can pull it off in some fashion without charging.

How many of those D3 schools have regular commentary on the stream for sporting events?

Majority. Not sure the exact numbers, but games I tune into around the country more times than not have commentary of some kind.

Based upon my observations, I'd say that it's about 75/25 in favor of D3 men's basketball webstreams having play-by-play announcers. It might even be higher than that.

It's substantially lower for D3 women's basketball. Lots of schools have PBP for men but not for women.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 07, 2022, 03:37:52 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 07, 2022, 03:23:45 PM
If there are people in the Wash U traveling party who don't have their vax cards and proper ID with them, they won't be making the most of the situation in Chicago, that's for sure.


I assume they needed those to get in to the gym.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2022, 05:12:15 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 07, 2022, 03:28:21 PM

Based upon my observations, I'd say that it's about 75/25 in favor of D3 men's basketball webstreams having play-by-play announcers. It might even be higher than that.

It's substantially lower for D3 women's basketball. Lots of schools have PBP for men but not for women.

That last part frustrates me ... especially this day in age.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on January 07, 2022, 07:46:59 PM
I agree regarding any disparity between broadcasting men's and women's sports.  There shouldn't be a disparity.  I would be surprised that the coaches of women's sports and/or a senior women's sports administrator on a campus would let that disparity happen or continue.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 08, 2022, 08:11:31 AM
Not sure if it was mentioned previously, but Brandeis already postponed next weekend's games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 09:22:12 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 08, 2022, 08:11:31 AM
Not sure if it was mentioned previously, but Brandeis already postponed next weekend's games.

It was mentioned previously, and Brandeis has indeed postponed the January 14 and 16th men's basketball games vs Carnegie Mellon and Case Western Reserve.  In other news, Brandeis has also cancelled the Reggie Poyau Memorial Invitiational Track and Field Meet that was supposed to be conducted at the Gosman Fieldhouse on Saturday, January 15.  Also, in other news, Brandeis is going remote for classes from January 18 to February 1, and students do not have to return to campus for on-campus study until January 31.  Also in other news, no spectators are now allowed at any Brandeis home event for the time being-- the PCR test requirement for outside spectators to attend games is no more, and it has been replaced with a complete ban which took effect yesterday.

The Brandeis women's basketball games for today and next weekend are currently scheduled to be played.

Dave McHugh of Hoopsville was the first to break the story on the Brandeis postponement of next weekend's home men's basketball games.  He broke it one hour in his own "scoop" tweet before Brandeis confirmed it in their own tweet.

I had an extensive discussion on Thursday on this board with Dave and others when the news broke.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 10:57:45 AM
Just an update on the spectator policy--

As of now, Chicago is the only UAA facility still allowing spectators to attend events on campus.

The other 7 UAA facilities have banned all spectators from attending events conducted on their campuses through the end of January as a result of the omicron variant.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 11:50:23 AM
Anyone else experiencing technical difficulties picking up the Emory v Rochester men's live stream due to heavy internet traffic?  The game is being offered for free, so there must be a lot of people logging in-- I don't think that I have a problem with my Xfinity Internet connection.

JC DeLass providing commentary.

11:52 AM Eastern update-- Okay, it looks like the video and audio feeds are no longer cutting in and out.  Live stream looks steady now.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 12:06:15 PM
UAA Men's Basketball underway, and Mitchell Kershner of Rochester has already gone down early with an injury.  He is still banged up on the floor.

On video replay, it looked like Kershner landed on an Emory guy's foot on a play and twisted his ankle, according to JC DeLass's commentary.  Kershner is going to get support off the court, and an air cast is getting put on his right leg to settle down the pain, according to JC DeLass's commentary.  TC Price to replace Kershner on the court.

Hopefully, Mitchell Kershner will turn out to be okay.  According to JC DeLass, UR may take Kershner to a medical facility.

Kershner now off the floor, not putting any weight on his right leg.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 12:17:06 PM
Rochester 14, Emory 9 12:05 left in first half.

TC Price leading Rochester and all scorers with 5 points. 

According to JC DeLass's commentary, Emory now switching to a zone on defense.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 12:21:39 PM
Emory 17, Rochester 16  9:20 left in first half.

Rochester has already used 2 timeouts so far.

Rochester's Mitchell Kershner has been taken by ambulance to a medical facility to deal with an injury suffered earlier in the game. (ankle)

This is according to JC DeLass's commentary.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 12:31:23 PM
Emory 23, Rochester 16  3:25 left in the first half.

Emory now on a 16-2 run-- Rochester is not able to solve Emory's zone defense.

Matthew Schner now in double figures for Emory with 12 points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 08, 2022, 12:41:58 PM
Losing Mitchell Kershner was big.  Hate to see that.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 12:45:37 PM
Halftime at the Palestra in Rochester, NY

Emory 28, Rochester 19

Leading scorers for Emory--

Matthew Schner-- 12 points

Mason Johnson-- 6 points

Jaxson Barber leading Emory with 6 rebounds



Leading scorers for Rochester--

2 Rochester players with 5 points each (Brian Amabilino Perez, T.C. Price)

2 Rochester players with 3 rebounds each (T.C. Price, C.J. Amsellem)

Emory shooting 12 of 34 from the field (35.3%), 4 of 17 from 3 pt land (23.5%), no FT attempts.

Rochester shooting 8 of 31 from the field (25.8%), 2 of 10 from 3 pt land (20%), 1-2 from the charity stripe.

Emory outrebounding Rochester 27-19, 7-4 on the offensive glass

Emory has 3 assists and turned the ball over 6 times.

Rochester has 6 assists and turned the ball over 5 times.

Rochester leading on bench points, 12-9

Points off turnovers-- Rochester leading 5-3

Points in the paint-- Even at 12-12.







Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 12:54:02 PM
Emory leading 33-23, 18:10 left.

Congratulations to Matthew Schner of Emory on joining the 1,000 point club with his 14th point of the contest.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 01:00:57 PM
According to JC DeLass's commentary, Emory now switching to more man to man on defense,while Rochester is switching to a 2-3 zone on defense.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 01:13:39 PM
Now Nick Stuck for Emory is down --but he is able to walk off the floor on his own power.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 01:20:28 PM
Emory 57, Rochester 48  4:43 to go in regulation.

3 players for Emory in double figures.

Ross Gang of Rochester hits his first 3 of the game coming out of the timeout to make it a 2 possession game with 4:07 left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 01:24:11 PM
Jaxson Barber of Emory no longer perfect for the season from the charity stripe-- He just got his first FT miss of the season-- now 15 of 16 for the season from the line.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 01:30:39 PM
One possession game now with 35.2 seconds left.

Emory leading 61-58, Eagles with the ball coming out of a timeout.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 01:33:14 PM
Emory has gone 2-2 from the charity stripe to make it Emory 63, Rochester 58 with 23 seconds left.

Rochester ball coming out of an Emory timeout.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 01:34:49 PM
Emory 63, Rochester 61 14.3 seconds left.

Emory ball coming out of Rochester's last timeout.  Rochester now out of timeouts.

Arrow is pointing to Rochester on a held ball situation.

Rochester fouls Romin Williams off the timeout.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 01:38:32 PM
Final from the Palestra in Rochester, NY

Emory 64, Rochester 61

Rochester had a shot to tie the game and send it to OT, but the 3 pt FG attempt hit the back of the rim and out.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 01:50:03 PM
Final stats

Emory 64, Rochester 61

Leading scorers for Emory

Matthew Schner-- 16 points, 8 rebounds

Nick Stuck--14 points,

Romin Williams-- 12 points

Mason Johnson-- 10 points, 5 rebounds

Leading scorers for Rochester

Brian Amabilno Perez-- 13 points, 6 rebounds

Trent Noordsij- 12 points

Andrew Jackson-- 11 points

Ross Gang-- 8 points

Emory shot 26 of 62 from the field for the game (41.9%), 5 of 27 from 3 pt land (18.5%), 7 of 13 from the charity stripe (53.8%)

Rochester shot 22 of 63 from the field (34.9%), 10 of 25 from 3 pt land (40%), 7 of 13 from the charity stripe.

Rebounds even at 42-42, but Rochester won the offensive glass battle, 13 to 11.

Emory had 6 assists and turned the ball over 11 times.

Rochester had 17 assists and turned the ball over 13 times.

Bench points-- Rochester wins 23-22

Points off turnovers-- Emory won that one, 13-7

Points in the paint-- Emory won that one, 30-22

Second chance points even at 12-12.

Emory goes to 1-0 in the UAA, while Rochester falls to 0-1 in the UAA.

Both teams now have overall records of 8-3.







Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 01:50:58 PM
I will be watching NYU at Brandeis on the women's side next, but will have the commentary audio on for CWRU at CMU men.

Commentary is available for the Case Western Reserve vs Carnegie Mellon men's game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: AllStar on January 08, 2022, 02:01:12 PM
QuoteAlso in other news, no spectators are now allowed at any Brandeis home event for the time being-- the PCR test requirement for outside spectators to attend games is no more, and it has been replaced with a complete ban which took effect yesterday.

However, they can drive 20 minutes (14.8 miles) and enjoy themselves at the 19,580 seat TD Garden with no problem.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 03:00:17 PM
Quote from: AllStar on January 08, 2022, 02:01:12 PM
QuoteAlso in other news, no spectators are now allowed at any Brandeis home event for the time being-- the PCR test requirement for outside spectators to attend games is no more, and it has been replaced with a complete ban which took effect yesterday.

However, they can drive 20 minutes (14.8 miles) and enjoy themselves at the 19,580 seat TD Garden with no problem.

However, they cannot attend DI Northeastern games at Matthews Arena or Solomon Court at the present time, nor can the general public attend DI Harvard games in the Ivy League at Lavietes Pavilion, either.

BTW, you do need to show your proof of vaccination that is satisfactory to the City of Boston's new "B Together" vaccination order to get into TD Garden events.  Starting next week, a negative PCR test by itself will no longer be sufficient.  Proof of vax is also needed to attend Boston College or Boston University indoor athletics contests as well.

An apples to apples comparison may be vaild if you are comparing the Brandeis spectator policy to the current DII Bentley spectator policy for the Dana Center in Waltham for NE10 basketball games just a few miles from the Brandeis campus.  Bentley is still allowing spectators to attend with proof of vaccination + ID to be presented at the door.   A negative PCR or antigen test taken 72 hours before the day of competition is also sufficient.

However, if you comparing an event at Brandeis to an event at TD Garden, you are comparing apples and oranges, my friend.

BTW, there are no Brandeis men's home games this weekend or next.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 04:01:50 PM
Case Western Reserve defeated Carnegie Mellon, 89-88, on a buzzer beating tip-in by Ryan Newton at Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh.

CWRU now at 11-1, 1-0 in the UAA

Unfortunately, Carnegie Mellon is not known to archive their games on demand for fans to watch, so I cannot watch this men's game later.

I will just have to read the box score and play by play sheet.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 06:48:17 PM
No games on either the men's or women's side of the UAA were decided by 10+ points today.  This was an exciting round of games on both sides of the Association slate today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 08, 2022, 09:01:56 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 04:01:50 PM
Case Western Reserve defeated Carnegie Mellon, 89-88, on a buzzer beating tip-in by Ryan Newton at Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh.

CWRU now at 11-1, 1-0 in the UAA

Unfortunately, Carnegie Mellon is not known to archive their games on demand for fans to watch, so I cannot watch this men's game later.

I will just have to read the box score and play by play sheet.

Here's the final few seconds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE400LrR9-s





Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 09, 2022, 02:25:32 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on January 08, 2022, 09:01:56 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 08, 2022, 04:01:50 PM
Case Western Reserve defeated Carnegie Mellon, 89-88, on a buzzer beating tip-in by Ryan Newton at Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh.

CWRU now at 11-1, 1-0 in the UAA

Unfortunately, Carnegie Mellon is not known to archive their games on demand for fans to watch, so I cannot watch this men's game later.

I will just have to read the box score and play by play sheet.

Here's the final few seconds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE400LrR9-s

Thanks for posting the clip.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2022, 03:21:21 AM
Scheduled games for the week of Monday, Jan. 10 to Sunday, January 16--


One non-conference game scheduled for this evening (Monday, January 10)--

La Roche at Carnegie Mellon-- 7 PM Eastern from Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh.

Second meeting of the season between the two programs-- Carnegie Mellon won 103-102 in OT at La Roche on Wed., Nov. 10, 2021

La Roche is 0-2 vs UAA teams this season, as CWRU defeated La Roche by 6 points back in November as well.

La Roche enters today's contest vs Carnegie Mellon at 5-5, 3-1 in the AMCC.

Association games Friday and Sunday--

All Association games involving Brandeis men's basketball that were scheduled for this weekend have been postponed due to COVID-19 protocols.

Friday, January 14, 2022

1.)  Wash U at Emory-- 5:30 PM Eastern
2.)  Chicago at Rochester-- 5:30 PM Eastern
3.)  CWRU at NYU-- 6 PM Eastern

Sunday, January 16, 2022

1.)  Wash U at Rochester-- 11 AM Eastern
2.)  Chicago at Emory-- Noon Eastern
3.)  Carnegie Mellon at NYU-- Noon Eastern



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2022, 12:32:04 PM
Most of the NYU Athletics Department will now be located at 196 Mercer Street in Greenwich Village in Manhattan, after 6 years of working from multiple locations:

NYU Press Release-- Monday, January 10, 2022--11:04 AM Eastern--

Together Again: NYU Athletic Administrators and Coaches Have Moved to 196 Mercer St. (http://gonyuathletics.com/news/2022/1/10/general-together-again.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 10, 2022, 03:18:59 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 10, 2022, 03:21:21 AM
Scheduled games for the week of Monday, Jan. 10 to Sunday, January 16--


One non-conference game scheduled for this evening (Monday, January 10)--

La Roche at Carnegie Mellon-- 7 PM Eastern from Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh.

Second meeting of the season between the two programs-- Carnegie Mellon won 103-102 in OT at La Roche on Wed., Nov. 10, 2021

La Roche is 0-2 vs UAA teams this season, as CWRU defeated La Roche by 6 points back in November as well.

La Roche enters today's contest vs Carnegie Mellon at 5-5, 3-1 in the AMCC.

Association games Friday and Sunday--

All Association games involving Brandeis men's basketball that were scheduled for this weekend have been postponed due to COVID-19 protocols.

Friday, January 14, 2022

1.)  Wash U at Emory-- 5:30 PM Eastern
2.)  Chicago at Rochester-- 5:30 PM Eastern
3.)  CWRU at NYU-- 6 PM Eastern

Sunday, January 16, 2022

1.)  Wash U at Rochester-- 11 AM Eastern
2.)  Chicago at Emory-- Noon Eastern
3.)  Carnegie Mellon at NYU-- Noon Eastern

Food to see NYU back in business.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2022, 06:12:08 PM
NYU men's basketball have rescheduled its 2 non-conference games that they had to cancel or postpone due to the NYU Athletics suspension that lasted from December 15, 2021 to January 3, 2022.

To recap, NYU teams were allowed to return to competition on Tuesday, January 4, 2022 after being banned for a few weeks from practicing or competiting due to the NYU Athletics suspension caused by the rise of COVID-19 cases on the NYU campus.

Both make-up games will be played on the road, and they are make-up games for the cancellation of NYU's participation in Moravian's January 2 and 3 Steel Club Classic.

One make-up game is scheduled for this week:

Wednesday, January 12, 2022-- NYU at Misericordia-- 6 PM Eastern

The other make-up game is scheduled for next month:

Monday, February 7, 2022-- NYU at Moravian-- 7 PM Eastern

Source:  uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule (http://uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2022, 07:03:39 PM
Under way from Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh--

Game tied at 6-6 between La Roche and Carnegie Mellon, 17:13 left in first half.

Rob McKinney on PxP, Jonathan Spina on color from Wiegand Gym.

Rob McKinney is a regular PxP person for Presidents Athletic Conference games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2022, 07:13:37 PM
Carnegie Mellon leading 18-13, 11:26 left in first half

R.J. Holmes has 2 fouls already for the Tartans-- sitting on the bench.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2022, 07:40:37 PM
Halftime stats from Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh--

Carnegie Mellon up 41-28 over La Roche at the half.

Leading scorers for Carnegie Mellon--

Kevin Sax-- 11 points

Nick Nakasian-- 8 points

Jack Stone-- 6 points

R.J. Holmes leading with 6 rebounds for Carnegie Mellon, but also picked up 3 fouls in the half.

Leading scorers for La Roche--

Isaiah Thomas with 9 points 4 rebounds

Desmond Ross with 8 points 4 rebounds.

Joe Pipilo also has 4 rebounds for La Roche.

Carnegie Mellon shot 18 of 34 from the field (52.9%), 2 of 10 from 3 point land, and 3 of 5 from the FT line.

La Roche shot 10 of 33 from the field (30.3%), 4 of 15 from 3 pt land (26.7%), and 4 of 6 from the charity stripe (66.7%)

Rebounds even at 21 a piece, La Roche leading 7-3 on the offensive glass.

Carnegie Mellon had 7 assists and turned the ball over 6 times.

La Roche had 4 assists and turned the ball over 9 times.

Points off turnovers: Even at 4 a piece.

Points in the paint:  Carnegie Mellon leading 28-12.

No second chance points.

Bench points:  Carnegie Mellon leading 12-7.





Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2022, 07:51:20 PM
La Roche outscoring Carnegie Mellon, 7-2, over the first 2 minutes of the second half, as the pace is picking up.  CMU lead in single digits.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2022, 07:53:42 PM
According to commentary, Nick Nakasian of Carnegie Mellon just made a dunk with authority on it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2022, 08:05:53 PM
The game in November was being played on a pace that La Roche liked.  Tonight, Carnegie Mellon is dictating the pace of this rematch and it is much more of a slow-down game that the Tartans prefer.

Commentators just reminding the audience that Skibo Gym is under renovation and that Wiegand Gym is more of a practice court than a competition court-- therefore, visiting teams will get confused with the lines on the court.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2022, 08:08:17 PM
Carnegie Mellon leading 63-47 over La Roche with 9:37 left in regulation.

Carnegie Mellon leading on points in the paint, 48-22.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2022, 08:15:53 PM
I am just glad that the officials can review plays on the monitor at Wiegand Gym.  The UAA wants as many teams as possible in the Association to have this capability at all games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2022, 08:20:46 PM
Wiegand Gym commentators-- you just blew it by not reviewing the updated schedule.

Next up is not Carnegie Mellon at Brandeis-- at least not on the men's side-- we only have the women playing on Friday.

Next up is Carnegie Mellon at NYU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2022, 08:27:35 PM
Carnegie Mellon leading 73-56 over La Roche with 2:26 left in regulation.

R.J. Holmes has fouled out of the game-- He finished with 6 points and 7 rebounds for Carnegie Mellon tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2022, 08:46:45 PM
Final score from Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh--

Carnegie Mellon 80, La Roche 57

Leading scorers for Carnegie Mellon--

Nick Nakasian-- 16 points, 7 rebounds

Kevin Sax-- 15 points, 6 rebounds

Nolan Casey-- 12 points, 7 rebounds (career highs in both categories for Casey)

R.J. Holmes's 5 game streak with a double-double came to an end tonight-- he fouled out with 6 points and 7 rebounds.

Josh Berry had 5 assists for the Tartans.

Leading scorers for La Roche--

Devon Darrell-- 11 points, 4 rebounds

Isaiah Thomas-- 11 points, 5 rebounds

Desmond Ross-- 8 points, 5 rebounds

Joe Pipilo-- 8 points, 9 rebounds, 3 assists

Carnegie Mellon shot 34 of 67 from the field (50.7%), 3 of 19 from 3 pt land (15.8%), and 9 of 13 from the charity stripe (69.2%)

La Roche shot 20 of 63 from the field (31.7%), 6 of 23 from 3 pt land (26.1%), and 11 of 19 from the charity stripe (57.9%)

Carnegie Mellon outrebounded La Roche, 43-40, but La Roche won the battle of the offensive glass, 13-8.

Carnegie Mellon had 14 assists and turned the ball over 13 times-- 5 of those turnovers were as a result of La Roche steals.

La Roche had 7 assists and turned the ball over 18 times-- 10 of those turnovers were as a result of Carnegie Mellon steals.

Bench points-- Carnegie Mellon won that category, 29-15

Second chance points-- Carnegie Mellon won that category, 7-5

Points in the paint-- Carnegie Mellon won that category, 58-26









Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2022, 09:01:52 PM
Next up this week is another non-conference game that was scheduled on 48 hours notice:

Wednesday, January 12, 2022-- NYU at Misericordia, with a scheduled tip time of 6 PM Eastern.

NYU is scheduled to return to competition at 8-1, 0-0 in the UAA.

Misericordia is currently 4-8, 3-3 in MAC-Freedom.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 11, 2022, 12:52:20 PM
UAA has just announced their Athletes of the Week for the week of Jan. 3 to Jan. 9, 2022

Congratulations to Robert Faller of Case Western Reserve on becoming the third CWRU men's basketball player to get Athlete of the Week for this season.

He joins Cole Frilling, who got Athlete of the Week on Nov. 30, 2021, and Mitch Prendergast, who got Athlete of the Week on December 6, 2021.

uaasports.info/information/aow/011022 (http://uaasports.info/information/aow/011022)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 12, 2022, 10:09:09 AM
I am looking forward to seeing the NYU men's basketball team hopefully able to return to the court against Misericordia tonight.  Of course, I will be watching this on Misericordia's live stream on Youtube and I got a look at the Cougars's previous game vs Arcadia.

Assuming this game does get played this evening, this will be the first meeting between NYU and Misericordia since the first round of the 2012 NCAA DIII tournament that was played at the former Coles Center on the NYU campus.

NYU comes into the contest 8-1, 0-0 in the UAA.   Misericordia comes into the contest at 4-8, 3-3 in MAC-Freedom.

NYU's Bobby Hawkinson has already been named UAA Athlete of the Week in men's basketball twice this season--he got the honor on November 8 and December 13, 2021.

Scheduled tip is at 6 PM Eastern.

Also, starting this Friday, all NYU home games will be streamed on Team1Sports.com, which means that they will be able to be viewed on a Roku TV, as well as other streaming TV services.  Sidearm Stats will continue to provide the live stats.

 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 12, 2022, 02:44:49 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 05, 2022, 11:37:30 AM
At this time, Rochester at Buffalo State is still scheduled to be played today.

Congratulations to Rochester men's basketball coach Luke Flockerzi on being named as one of DIII Most Impactful Coaches for 2021-22 by Silver Waves Media:

10:38 AM Eastern Rochester press release:

uofrathletics.com/news/2022/1/5/mens-basketball-flockerzi-named-one-of-division-iiis-most-impactful-coaches.aspx (http://uofrathletics.com/news/2022/1/5/mens-basketball-flockerzi-named-one-of-division-iiis-most-impactful-coaches.aspx)


January 12, 2022 update-- Congratulations also go to Wash U men's basketball coach Pat Juckem on also getting the honor of being named as one of DIII's Most Impactful Coaches for 2021-2022 by the same organization.

Wash U press release:

www.washubears.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20220112jpwtbl (http://www.washubears.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20220112jpwtbl)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 12, 2022, 06:46:32 PM
Halftime from Dallas, PA--

Misericordia 38, NYU 37

Leading scorers for Misericordia--

Derek Smith and Kevin Lazdowsky each have 9 points a piece.

Elijah Rosenthal has 7 points

Derek Smith leads Misericordia with 5 rebounds

Joseph Baldachino leads Misericordia with 4 assists

Leading scorers for NYU--

Bobby Hawkinson has a game-high 15 points so far.

Alex Maticiuc has 7 points for NYU

Harrison Whatley has 6 points for NYU.

Bobby Hawkinson leads NYU with 8 rebounds

Kawika Akina leads NYU with 3 assists

Misericordia shot 14 of 37 from the field (37.8%), 9 of 24 from 3 pt land (37.5%), and 1 of 2 from the charity stripe.

NYU shot 16 of 35 from the field (45.7%), 1 of 10 from 3 pt land, and 4 of 5 from the charity stripe.

NYU outrebounding Misericordia 26-17, 7-4 on the offensive glass

Misericordia made 9 assists and turned the ball over 3 times-- all 3 times were as a result of NYU steals.

NYU made 7 assists and turned the ball over 9 times-- 5 of which were as a result of Misericordia steals.

Bench points even at 11 a piece

Points off turnovers-- Misericordia leads 6-4

Points in the paint-- NYU leads that category 28-8

Second chance points-- NYU leads that category 5-4





Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 12, 2022, 06:57:56 PM
NYU leading Misericordia 45-43, 16:38 left in regulation

NYU now shooting 20 of 41 from the field, 1 of 11 from 3 pt range, and 4 of 5 from the charity stripe for the game so far.

Bobby Hawkinson now has 19 points to lead all scorers.

Out of the timeout, Misericordia ties it at 45-45 with 15:27 left in regulation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 12, 2022, 07:14:04 PM
NYU and Misericordia are tied at 62-62 with 6:04 left in regulation

Bobby Hawkinson has 23 points to lead all scorers

Alex Maticiuc has 11 points for NYU-- playing with 4 fouls.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 12, 2022, 07:17:48 PM
NYU leading Misericordia 68-64 with 4:08 left in regulation

Bobby Hawkinson of NYU has a 20/10 game-- He leads all scorers with 27 points and has grabbed 15 rebounds so far.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 12, 2022, 07:52:38 PM
Not exactly a shot with the drama of Dari Magyar's "Miracle in Manhattan" shot from 2001 that gave the NYU women a win over Wash U at the Coles Center, but Bobby Hawkinson hit a 3 at the buzzer to give NYU the win tonight over Misericordia and also gave Hawkinson a 30+ point game in the process. 

Bobby Hawkinson has put his name on the UAA AOW ballot for this week with up to 2 more games in UAA play this weekend to further prove his case.

Final tonight from Dallas, PA--

NYU 75, Misericordia 74

NYU improves to 9-1, 0-0 in the UAA, while Misericordia drops to 4-9, 3-3 in MAC-Freedom

Leading scorers for NYU

Bobby Hawkinson-- 32 points (game high, career high), 15 rebounds (game high).  His 32 points came on 14 of 19 from the field, 1 of 2 from 3 pt range, with the 3 pointer being the one at the buzzer to win the game, and 3 of 3 at the charity stripe.

Alex Maticiuc-- 11 points, 6 rebounds

Harrison Whatley-- 8 points, 9 rebounds

Kawika Akina led NYU with 5 assists, and he only turned the ball over once.

Leading scorers for Misericordia

Derek Smith-- 14 points, 9 rebounds

Kevin Lazdowsky-- 14 points, 5 rebounds

Nick Hornung-- 10 points, 4 rebounds

Elijah Rosenthal and Joseph Baldachino each led Misericordia with 4 assists a piece.

NYU shot 32 of 71 from the field (45.1%), 3 of 23 from 3 pt land (13%-- however, the last 3 pointer was the buzzer beater that won the game for NYU), 8 of 9 from the charity stripe (88.9%).

Misericordia shot 28 of 67 from the field (41.8%), 14 of 37 from 3 pt land (37.8%), and 4 of 6 from the charity stripe (66.7%)

NYU outrebounded Misericordia 47-33, 13-6 on the offensive glass

Game had 11 ties and 12 lead changes-- no team had a lead larger than 7 points

NYU made 10 assists and turned the ball over 11 times-- 6 of which were as a result of Misericordia steals

Misericordia made 18 assists and turned the ball over 7 times-- all 7 were as a result of NYU steals.

Bench points-- Misericordia won that category, 26-22

Points off turnovers-- NYU won that category, 10-9

Points in the paint-- NYU won that category, 52-26

Second chance points-- NYU won that category, 13-6

Rick Staron provided PxP commentary for Misericordia tonight.  (Thanks, Rick, for tweeting about the Hawkinson buzzer-beater so that I can get the correct spelling of your name.  The last name is hard to spell right upon just hearing it for the first time.)

The full story:   NYU Men's Basketball Returns to Action with Buzzer-Beating Win (http://gonyuathletics.com/news/2022/1/12/mens-basketball-returns-to-action.aspx)



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 12, 2022, 08:07:51 PM
With tonight's game vs Misericordia now complete, Bobby Hawkinson of NYU now has 8 double doubles on the season, and currently has a 5 game double double streak coming into Friday's game vs Case Western Reserve.

In case you missed the game live, NYU vs Misericordia is now available on demand on Youtube on the MUCougars channel.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 13, 2022, 04:33:54 PM
Congrats to Bobby "Ice in the Veins" Hawkinson of NYU on his 3 point buzzer beating winning shot vs Misericordia checking in at #10 on ESPN SportsCenter's Top 10 this morning.

NYU sent out a congratulatory tweet on the honor at 1:45 PM Eastern this afternoon.

(Note:  That new nickname came courtesy of the ESPN SportsCenter AM announcers this morning)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 13, 2022, 06:41:44 PM
Glad I just added Mr. Ice in the Veins to my fantasy team yesterday before the game. LOL.

In all seriousness, he seems to have breezed through the NC schedule. I presume I should temper my expectations when the UAA kicks in. Maybe 20 and 10?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 05:29:57 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 13, 2022, 06:41:44 PM
Glad I just added Mr. Ice in the Veins to my fantasy team yesterday before the game. LOL.

In all seriousness, he seems to have breezed through the NC schedule. I presume I should temper my expectations when the UAA kicks in. Maybe 20 and 10?

Bobby Hawkinson's 20/10 games so far this season-- He had a 20/10 game in 6 of the 10 non-conference games played this season:

1.)-- 11/5/2021-- Mount St. Vincent-- 20 points, 14 rebounds

2.)-- 11/10/2021-- at Farmingdale State-- 21 points, 15 rebounds

3.)-- 11/23/2021-- SUNY Maritime-- 25 points, 15 rebounds

4.)-- 11/28/2021-- at Old Westbury-- 21 points, 14 rebounds

5.)-- 12/10/2021-- at Hunter-- 22 points, 22 rebounds

6.)-- 1/12/2022-- at Misericordia-- 32 points, 15 rebounds

One caveat:  In the game at Hobart on November 20, 2021-- played in Geneva, NY-- where NYU lost by 28 points-- only loss of the season so far for the Violets--

Bobby Hawkinson fouled out of the game at Hobart only scoring 7 points and grabbing 11 rebounds in 26 minutes of action.

Bobby Hawkinson comes into the UAA averaging 19.8 ppg and 13.8 rpg (This includes the Misericordia stats, which the UAA has not yet put in on their league page, but NYU has on their team website).

19.8 ppg-- #3 in the UAA (behind Matthew Schner's 20.3 ppg for Emory, and Jack Nolan's 20.5 ppg for Wash U)

13.8 rpg-- #1 in the UAA, #6 in NCAA DIII men's basketball
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 09:47:13 AM
As of 9:36 AM Eastern, we are still on schedule for 3 UAA Men's Basketball games tonight.

A few reminders:

1.)  There are no UAA men's basketball games at Brandeis this weekend due to COVID-19 protocols.  This was announced last Thursday, January 6, 2021.

2.)  There are no spectators allowed this weekend at any UAA basketball game-- men or women.  All UAA basketball games can be watched on live stream.

3.)  NYU has a new channel for live streaming of home basketball games:  team1sports.com/nyu (http://team1sports.com/nyu)  The NYU basketball games can also now be streamed on a Roku TV or other streaming TV device via the Team1Sports app.

Scheduled for tonight:

1.)  (#4) Wash U at (#25) Emory-- 5:30 PM Eastern
2.)  Chicago at Rochester-- 5:30 PM Eastern
3.)  (RV) Case Western Reserve at NYU-- 6 PM Eastern-- This game will most likely be played and streamed from the Brooklyn Athletic Facility. (former gym of the former Polytechnic (NYU-Poly) Bluejays who played in the Skyline Conference back in the day).  Game is being played at the DI St. Francis-Brooklyn gym (NEC).

Scheduled for Sunday:

1.)  (#4) Wash U at Rochester-- 11 AM Eastern
2.)  Carnegie Mellon at NYU-- Noon Eastern
3.)  Chicago at (#25) Emory-- Noon Eastern

(Tonight, I will be watching at least some of the Brandeis women's game vs Carnegie Mellon on my Roku TV at 5:30 PM Eastern, but I will be checking live stats and video of the UAA men's basketball games as they are being played.)

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 14, 2022, 10:33:58 AM
I thought the Roku allows for internet browsing.  If that is the case, just bring up the athletics department schedule and open up the BoxCast or Stretch Internet feed. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 10:47:29 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 14, 2022, 10:33:58 AM
I thought the Roku allows for internet browsing.  If that is the case, just bring up the athletics department schedule and open up the BoxCast or Stretch Internet feed.

According to Roku support, Roku TVs or devices do not come with the ability to surf the web on the TV-- they do provide streaming video and music.    In addition, there are no channels from the Roku store at this time that allow you to install a web browser on the Roku TV.

Emory has a Boxcast feed, but is not on Roku's Boxcast channel-- I can watch that feed on my Chromebook or smartphone.

Brandeis has a subchannel on Roku's Boxcast channel for streaming directly to the Roku TVs-- but no men's basketball games this weekend at Auerbach Arena.

NYU home basketball games, as of today, are now on Team1Sports for Roku TV.

Rochester's feed still has to be watched directly on a Chromebook or smartphone, but their home live streams are now being offered for free while there is a ban on in-person spectators at the Palestra.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 14, 2022, 10:55:24 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 10:47:29 AM
According to Roku support, Roku TVs or devices do not come with the ability to surf the web on the TV-- they do provide streaming video and music.    In addition, there are no channels from the Roku store at this time that allow you to install a web browser on the Roku TV.

I am really surprised by that since they are in competition with smart televisions.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 14, 2022, 11:32:01 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 14, 2022, 10:55:24 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 10:47:29 AM
According to Roku support, Roku TVs or devices do not come with the ability to surf the web on the TV-- they do provide streaming video and music.    In addition, there are no channels from the Roku store at this time that allow you to install a web browser on the Roku TV.

I am really surprised by that since they are in competition with smart televisions.

I use a chromecast, which allows you to broadcast your phone or laptop to the tv screen - at least, I use it on those rare occasions when my family lets me watch basketball on the big screen.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 14, 2022, 11:53:49 AM
Yeah, I guess I do the equivalent, but with my iPhone to my Samsung television.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 12:07:47 PM
I haven't done screen mirroring or Chromecasting to my Roku TV yet.  It is just easier for me to view the stream on a Chromebook if I can't directly view it on the Roku TV without screen mirroring.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 14, 2022, 12:12:28 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 12:07:47 PM
I haven't done screen mirroring or Chromecasting to my Roku TV yet.  It is just easier for me to view the stream on a Chromebook if I can't directly view it on the Roku TV without screen mirroring.

With Chromecast its not a straight mirror.  You can still use your device while its playing, which is helpful.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 14, 2022, 12:52:19 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 14, 2022, 10:33:58 AM
I thought the Roku allows for internet browsing.  If that is the case, just bring up the athletics department schedule and open up the BoxCast or Stretch Internet feed.

At least for NYU you can add Team1 to your Roku channels, at least with the device, so I presume you can also with Roku TV.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 01:04:33 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on January 14, 2022, 12:52:19 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 14, 2022, 10:33:58 AM
I thought the Roku allows for internet browsing.  If that is the case, just bring up the athletics department schedule and open up the BoxCast or Stretch Internet feed.

At least for NYU you can add Team1 to your Roku channels, at least with the device, so I presume you can also with Roku TV.

That is correct, and I already had Team1 on my Roku TV for at least a year-- I already watch Hoopsville on my Roku TV on the Team1Sports channel, and I watched the D3Hoops.com Classic a few weeks ago on Roku TV's Team1Sports channel as well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 01:18:41 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 14, 2022, 12:12:28 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 12:07:47 PM
I haven't done screen mirroring or Chromecasting to my Roku TV yet.  It is just easier for me to view the stream on a Chromebook if I can't directly view it on the Roku TV without screen mirroring.

With Chromecast its not a straight mirror.  You can still use your device while its playing, which is helpful.

To Chromecast, I will have to specially order a $30 Google Chromecast dongle (which Amazon sells, BTW), which I would then plug into the Roku TV through an HDMI portal.  With the dongle, then I can start Chromecasting from the Chromebook to the Roku TV.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 14, 2022, 02:34:57 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 01:18:41 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 14, 2022, 12:12:28 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 12:07:47 PM
I haven't done screen mirroring or Chromecasting to my Roku TV yet.  It is just easier for me to view the stream on a Chromebook if I can't directly view it on the Roku TV without screen mirroring.

With Chromecast its not a straight mirror.  You can still use your device while its playing, which is helpful.

To Chromecast, I will have to specially order a $30 Google Chromecast dongle (which Amazon sells, BTW), which I would then plug into the Roku TV through an HDMI portal.  With the dongle, then I can start Chromecasting from the Chromebook to the Roku TV.

Are they $30 now?  That seems expensive.  I think I paid $15 for mine.  They don't so much on their own, so I'm not sure what you're paying for.  I do use it a lot, though.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 05:23:37 PM
JC DeLass has just reported that there will be a delay in the start of the doubleheader between Chicago and Rochester due to a light bulb on one of the baskets at the Palestra blowing out.  The light bulb blew out on Chicago's warmup basket.  The Maroons  mens team is temporarily off the court while repairs are being attempted.

In other news, Rochester's Mitch Kershner is most likely out for the season with the ankle injury that he sustained in last Saturday's game vs Emory-- according to JC DeLass's commentary.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 05:27:39 PM
Wash U at Emory are in warmups-- Game about to start shortly.

Chris Mooneyham on PxP commentary for Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 05:42:40 PM
It looks like either repairs did not take too long at the Palestra, or the officials allowed the game to start on time anyway.

Rochester leading over Chicago, 11-0 with 15:04 left in first half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 05:44:08 PM
Wash U off to a 8-0 lead over Emory in Atlanta with 12:22 left in first half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 05:53:15 PM
Warmups between CWRU and NYU now underway at DI St. Francis College of Brooklyn (NEC), where NYU's UAA home games will be played and streamed from this season.

The building is the Daniel Lynch '38 Gymnasium in Brooklyn Heights, NY.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 14, 2022, 05:58:14 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 05:29:57 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 13, 2022, 06:41:44 PM
Glad I just added Mr. Ice in the Veins to my fantasy team yesterday before the game. LOL.

In all seriousness, he seems to have breezed through the NC schedule. I presume I should temper my expectations when the UAA kicks in. Maybe 20 and 10?

Bobby Hawkinson's 20/10 games so far this season-- He had a 20/10 game in 6 of the 10 non-conference games played this season:

1.)-- 11/5/2021-- Mount St. Vincent-- 20 points, 14 rebounds

2.)-- 11/10/2021-- at Farmingdale State-- 21 points, 15 rebounds

3.)-- 11/23/2021-- SUNY Maritime-- 25 points, 15 rebounds

4.)-- 11/28/2021-- at Old Westbury-- 21 points, 14 rebounds

5.)-- 12/10/2021-- at Hunter-- 22 points, 22 rebounds

6.)-- 1/12/2022-- at Misericordia-- 32 points, 15 rebounds

One caveat:  In the game at Hobart on November 20, 2021-- played in Geneva, NY-- where NYU lost by 28 points-- only loss of the season so far for the Violets--

Bobby Hawkinson fouled out of the game at Hobart only scoring 7 points and grabbing 11 rebounds in 26 minutes of action.

Bobby Hawkinson comes into the UAA averaging 19.8 ppg and 13.8 rpg (This includes the Misericordia stats, which the UAA has not yet put in on their league page, but NYU has on their team website).

19.8 ppg-- #3 in the UAA (behind Matthew Schner's 20.3 ppg for Emory, and Jack Nolan's 20.5 ppg for Wash U)

13.8 rpg-- #1 in the UAA, #6 in NCAA DIII men's basketball

So the question is, can he maintain a high level of production in the UAA? Are there a few teams in the conference that have bigger front courts that will be able to neutralize him to an extent. The one loss NYU has, Hawkinson was nonexistent.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 06:15:04 PM
Halftime in Atlanta--

Wash U 32, Emory 23

Leading scorer for Wash U

Jack Nolan, 18 points, 5 rebounds

Leading scorer for Emory--

Matthew Schner-- 12 points, 5 rebounds

Wash U shot 13 of 32 from the field (40.6%), 4 of 12 from 3 pt land (33.3%), 2 of 3 from the charity stripe (66.7%)

Emory shot 9 of 34 from the field (26.5%), 1 of 16 from 3 pt land (6.3%), 4 of 4 from the charity stripe.

Emory outrebounded Wash U 24-21, 7-3 on the offensive glass

Wash U made 3 assists and turned the ball over 4 times-- 2 of which were as a result of Emory steals

Emory made 5 assists and turned the ball over 5 times-- 2 of which were as a result of Wash U steals

Points off turnovers-- Emory leads, 4-3

Bench points-- Even at 5 a piece

Second chance points-- Wash U leads that one, 5-2

Points in the paint-- Emory leads that one, 14-10


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 06:16:59 PM
Halftime at Rochester--

Rochester 42, Chicago 17

I'll just leave that at the line score for right now. 

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 06:18:05 PM
At St Francis College in Brooklyn--

CWRU 19, NYU 7  10:31 left in first half
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 06:26:30 PM
CWRU now leading over NYU 30-11 with 6:40 left in first half in Brooklyn Heights, NY.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 06:43:01 PM
Halftime in Brooklyn Heights, NY--

Case Western Reserve University leading over NYU, 52-24

At the Palestra in Rochester, NY--

Rochester leading over Chicago 66-35 with 10:52 left in regulation

At the WoodPEC in Atlanta, GA--

Wash U leading over Emory, 55-47 with 6:34 left in regulation

Jack Nolan of Wash U has a 20/10 game tonight with 25 points and 10 rebounds so far.

Matthew Schner of Emory has 20 points and 7 rebounds for Emory so far.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 06:59:13 PM
Final at the Palestra in Rochester, NY--

Rochester 78, Chicago 52

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 14, 2022, 07:04:42 PM
Fourth-ranked Wash U dumped #25 Emory, 72-61, in Atlanta. The Bears were paced by Jack Nolan's 29 and 11.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 07:08:46 PM
Final in Atlanta--

(#4)  Wash U 72, (#25) Emory 61

Jack Nolan of Wash U has placed his name on the UAA AOW ballot this week with a 29 point, 11 rebound performance tonight.

According to Chris Mooneyham, there is going to be heavy snow and ice on Sunday in the Atlanta area, so it is his opinion on commentary that Sunday's Emory vs Chicago doubleheader may be postponed to Monday.  Chicago will be arriving in Atlanta tomorrow before the storm hits, and both Emory and Chicago are talking about a potential rescheduling of Sunday's doubleheader to Monday due to the expected Sunday gametime weather in the Atlanta area-- if the Sunday games are postponed, the schedules will be promptly updated.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 07:30:14 PM
At St. Francis College in Brooklyn Heights, NY--

CWRU leading over NYU, 95-67 with 2:05 left in regulation.

For you fantasy UAA fans, Bobby Hawkinson got another 20/10 game tonight--

Bobby Hawkinson leading NYU with 21 points and 11 rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 07:34:53 PM
Final from St. Francis College in Brooklyn Heights, NY--

Case Western Reserve defeats NYU, 98-71.

CWRU improves to 12-1, 2-0 in the UAA.

NYU drops to 9-2, 0-1 in the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 07:56:03 PM
Final stats in Atlanta tonight--

Wash U 72, Emory 61

Leading scorers for Wash U--

Jack Nolan, 29 points, 11 rebounds

Tyler Van Eekeren-- 16 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists

Charlie Jacob-- 10 points, 4 rebounds

Leading scorers for Emory--

Matthew Schner-- 20 points, 8 rebounds--

Nick Stuck-- 12 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists

Logan Shanahan also had 8 rebounds for Emory

Albert Fallas also had 4 assists for Emory

Wash U shot 25 of 60 from the field (41.7%), 7 of 18 from 3 pt land (38.9%), 15 of 18 from the charity stripe (83.3%)

Emory shot 23 of 69 from the field (33.3%), 5 of 31 from 3 pt land (16.1%), 10 of 10 from the charity stripe

Emory outrebound Wash U 42-40, 12-7 on the offensive glass

Wash U made 8 assists and turned the ball over 7 times-- 5 of which were as a result of Emory steals

Emory made 11 assists and turned the ball over 9 times-- 5 of which were as a result of Wash U steals

Points off turnovers-- Emory won that category, 10-7

Second chance points-- Emory won that category, 11-9

Points in the paint-- Emory won that category, 32-26

Bench points-- Emory won that category, 16-7

Wash U led throughout the contest-- the Bears opened with a lead and never looked back.  Wash U led by as much as 16 points in the contest.











Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 08:12:55 PM
Final stats from St. Francis College in Brooklyn, NY tonight--

Case Western Reserve 98, NYU 71

Leading scorers for CWRU--

Robert Faller-- 19 points, 5 rebounds

Mitch Prendergast-- 15 points

Cole Frilling-- 14 points, 7 rebounds

Griffin Kornaker also led CWRU with 7 rebounds and 8 assists

Leading scorers for NYU--

Bobby Hawkinson-- 21 points, 11 rebounds

Alex Maticiuc-- 11 points

CWRU shot 36 of 69 from the field (52.2%), 15 of 32 from 3 pt land (46.9%), and 11 of 15 from the charity stripe (73.3%)

NYU shot 23 of 58 from the field (39.7%), 7 of 23 from 3 pt land (30.4%), and 18 of 30 from the charity stripe (60%)

CWRU outrebounded NYU 44-35, 12-11 on the offensive glass

CWRU made 24 assists and turned the ball over 12 times--7 of which were as a result of NYU steals

NYU made 11 assists and turned the ball over 12 times-- 8 of which were as a result of CWRU steals

Points off turnovers-- Even at 15 points a piece

Points in the paint-- CWRU won that category, 38-30

Second chance points-- CWRU won that category, 24-12

Bench points-- CWRU won that category, 39-29

NYU opened up with the opening bucket to take a 3-0 lead, but CWRU shortly took the lead and led throughout for the rest of the game, leading by as much as 33 points.







Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 14, 2022, 08:16:08 PM
I am hearing from commentary at Emory, even though the schedules have not been updated yet, that the Emory vs Chicago doubleheader may be played tomorrow afternoon, as soon as Chicago lands in Atlanta due to the snow and ice in the forecast for Sunday.

Tip times are tentatively set for 2 PM Eastern tomorrow for the men, and 4 PM Eastern tomorrow for the women.  This is not yet confirmed on the schedule pages.

(12:42 AM Eastern update-- January 15, 2022-- Emory has now confirmed the scheduled tip times for what is now today's doubleheader vs Chicago.   The Emory vs Chicago men's basketball game is now scheduled for a 4 PM Eastern tip, followed by the women at 6 PM Eastern.  IMO, those tip times make more sense, as it is realistically about a 2 1/2 hour flight between western NY and Atlanta, and 2 PM Eastern did not make sense unless Chicago was already in the air on a red-eye flight to Atlanta.-- it is about 1 hour 50 minutes from wheels up/take off at either Rochester or Buffalo, NY until the plane touches down on the Atlanta-Hartsfield Intl Airport runways.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 14, 2022, 10:28:24 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 14, 2022, 07:04:42 PM
Fourth-ranked Wash U dumped #25 Emory, 72-61, in Atlanta. The Bears were paced by Jack Nolan's 29 and 11.

A Bears win without two starters in Justin Hardy and Kevin Davet.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 15, 2022, 09:50:46 AM
Chicago and Emory will play today at 4:00 EST giving UAA fans a Saturday game to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2022, 10:03:13 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 15, 2022, 09:50:46 AM
Chicago and Emory will play today at 4:00 EST giving UAA fans a Saturday game to watch.

I forgot how Atlanta gets paralyzed with just 1 to 2 inches of snow and a tenth of an inch of ice-- just the criteria for a Winter Weather Advisory everywhere.  That is in tonight's forecast for Atlanta.  It doesn't take heavy snow to shut everything down there due to practically everyone needing to drive to get around Atlanta and its suburbs-- usually in most UAA cities, you need a Winter Storm or Blizzard Warning to justify rescheduling a game. 

However, we have a UAA doubleheader between Emory and Chicago today due to the inclement weather hitting Atlanta late tonight into Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 15, 2022, 11:17:37 AM
A few seasons ago, St. Louis had a forecast of 10-12 inches of snow.  That storm was unusual in that the snow was expected to fall faster than usual. 

Emory came to town anyway and though the games were delayed while they waited for officials to arrive (the women played with only two), the games were played.

I must have passed 5-6 abandoned cars on my three-mile drive to campus, so bravo to those officials.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2022, 12:34:18 PM
What I've learned after a decade in the mid-atlantic, you can survive with drivers who don't know how to navigate ice/snow or you can survive without snowplows, but you can't do anything if both are true, and both are generally true in this part of the country and south.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2022, 05:28:32 PM
Emory heading to victory at 81-63 with about 2 minutes left in regulation.

Chicago had a lead in the first half, and led by as much as 5 points before the Eagles took the lead for good with 7:18 left in the first half.

Emory placing 4 players in double figures, led by Matthew Schner at 22 points

This is despite a rainstorm of 3s falling for both teams. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2022, 05:46:28 PM
Final from the Woodruff PEC in Atlanta--

Emory 83, Chicago 68

Emory led 39-27 at halftime.

Leading scorers for Emory--

Matthew Schner-- 22 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists

Logan Shanahan-- 16 points, 7 rebounds

Cale Martens-- 11 points, 4 rebounds

Nick Stuck-- 10 points, 7 assists

Leading scorers for Chicago--

Alec Bryan-- 11 points

Jackson Piotrowski-- 10 points

Ezra Moos-- 10 points, 5 rebounds

Leonardo Edo had 10 rebounds to lead Chicago in that category

Brandon Beckman led Chicago with 4 assists

Emory shot 32 of 69 from the field (46.4%), 10 of 27 from 3 pt land (37%), and 9 of 14 from the charity stripe (64.3%)

Chicago shot 24 of 63 from the field (38.1%), 13 of 32 from 3 pt land (40.6%), and 7 of 13 from the charity stripe (53.8%)

Chicago outrebounded Emory 43-34, 18-11 on the offensive glass

Emory made 17 assists and turned the ball over 6 times-- 3 of which were as a result of Chicago steals

Chicago made 12 assists and turned the ball over 18 times-- 13 of which were as a result of Emory steals

Points off turnovers-- Emory won that category, 21-4

Bench points-- Chicago won that category, 31-24

Second chance points-- Emory won that category, 19-16

Points in the paint-- Emory won that category, 36-18

(Another note:  Emory won on fast break points, 21-0)

Emory improves to 9-4, 2-1 in the UAA

Chicago falls to 5-8, 0-2 in the UAA

Game was played this afternoon due to snow and ice in the forecast for Atlanta late tonight into Sunday

Chris Mooneyham on PxP for Emory today.

Scheduled games tomorrow (Sunday, January 16, 2021)

1.)  Wash U at Rochester-- 11 AM Eastern
2.)  Carnegie Mellon at NYU-- Noon Eastern-- Game being played and streamed from the Daniel Lynch '38 Gymnasium at "The Pope"-- St. Francis College, Brooklyn Heights, NY.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2022, 11:14:29 AM
Rochester 14, Wash U 13 11:04 left in first half

Very tight game so far-- no team has led by more than 3 points so far.  Solid shooting by both teams-- especially a great start for an 11 AM Eastern tip on a Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2022, 11:25:13 AM
We have our first 2 possession lead today--

Wash U 25, Rochester 20  5:36 left in first half
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2022, 11:45:21 AM
Halftime at the Palestra in Rochester, NY--  (Note:  This is a milestone post)

Wash U 33, Rochester 29

Leading scorers for Wash U

Jack Nolan-- 12 points, 2 rebounds

Charlie Jacob-- 7 points

Justin Hardy-- 6 points

Hayden Doyle leading Wash U with 3 assists

Leading scorers for Rochester--

Brian Amabilino Perez-- 10 points, 3 rebounds

3 Rochester players with 4 points a piece each

Ross Gang co-leading Rochester with 3 rebounds

No Rochester player with more than 1 assist

Wash U shot 12 of 28 from the field (42.9%), 3 of 11 from 3 pt land (27.3%), 6 of 8 from the charity stripe (75%)

Rochester shot 11 of 21 from the field (52.4%), 1 of 4 from 3 pt land (25%), 6 of 8 from the charity stripe (75%)

Rochester outrebounding Wash U 18-9, 2-1 on the offensive glass

Wash U made 6 assists and turned the ball over 5 times-- only 1 of which was a Rochester steal

Rochester made 3 assists and turned the ball over 13 times-- 6 of which were results of Wash U steals

Points off turnovers-- Wash U leads, 12-9

Points in the paint-- Rochester leads, 18-12

Second chance points-- Rochester leads, 1-0

Bench points-- Rochester leads, 6-0

The half had 6 ties and 9 lead changes
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2022, 11:57:53 AM
Wash U opens the second half on a 6-2 run

Wash U 39, Rochester 31  17:07 left in regulation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2022, 12:00:33 PM
Carnegie Mellon and NYU about to start from "the Pope" at St. Francis College in Brooklyn Heights, NY--

Russ Steinberg on the PxP commentary for that one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2022, 12:05:06 PM
Wash U 43, Rochester 33 14:11 left in regulation

Biggest lead of the game for the Bears so far.

Jack Nolan of Wash U with 19 points so far-- which according to JC DeLass's commentary is the most that he has ever scored in a single game in the Palestra in his time playing for Wash U.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2022, 12:09:01 PM
Note to Russ Steinberg--

You can nominate Bobby Hawkinson of NYU for the UAA POY ballot, but you also have to place Jack Nolan of Wash U's name into nomination on the UAA POY ballot at the same time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2022, 12:12:08 PM
Wash U 55, Rochester 39  9 minutes left in regulation

Jack Nolan of Wash U has a 20+ point game today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2022, 12:17:55 PM
Rochester now on a 9-0 run after trailing by 18 points--

Wash U 57, Rochester 48  6:03 left in regulation
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2022, 12:23:56 PM
Rochester now on a 15-3 run to make it a 2 possession game--

Wash U 60, Rochester 54 3:07 left in regulation
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2022, 12:47:34 PM
Final at the Palestra in Rochester, NY--

Wash U 70, Rochester 61

Wash U improves to 12-1, 2-0 in the UAA

Rochester drops to 9-4, 1-2 in the UAA

Leading scorers for Wash U

Jack Nolan-- 29 points

Charlie Jacob-- 13 points, 7 rebounds

Hayden Doyle-- 11 points, 5 assists

Leading scorers for Rochester--

Brian Amabilino Perez-- 17 points

Andrew Jackson-- 9 points, 6 rebounds

Dan Masino-- 9 points

Ross Gang led Rochester with 5 assists

Wash U shot 21 of 55 from the field (38.2%), 7 of 23 from 3 pt land (30.4%), 21 of 28 from the charity stripe (75%)

Rochester shot 25 of 54 from the field (46.3%), 4 of 20 from 3 pt land (20%), 7 of 11 from the FT line (63.6%)

Rochester outrebounded Wash U 36-32, but Wash U outrebounded Rochester 6-5 on the offensive glass

Wash U made 10 assists and turned the ball over 11 times--3 of which were Rochester steals

Rochester made 11 assists and turned the ball over 19 times-- 8 of which were Wash U steals

Points off turnovers:  Wash U won that category, 21-13

Points in the paint:  Rochester won that category, 38-20

Second chance points:  Rochester won that category, 5-3

Bench points:  Rochester won that category, 13-3







Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on January 16, 2022, 12:53:03 PM
I don't see the UAA race being very close at the top.  I don't think any of those other teams are anywhere near WashU overall.

With road wins over Emory and Rochester already in hand, I can see 1 total UAA loss for the Bears...but not 2.

I think the battle for 2nd place will be very tight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2022, 12:54:51 PM
Halftime at Brooklyn Heights, NY--

Carnegie Mellon 41, NYU 40

Leading scorer for Carnegie Mellon--

R.J. Holmes-- 12 points

Nolan Casey leading CMU with 5 rebounds

Josh Berry leading CMU with 4 assists

Leading scorer for NYU--

Bobby Hawkinson, 18 points and 8 rebounds

4 NYU players with 2 assists each

Carnegie Mellon shooting 16 of 35 from the field, 6 of 13 from 3 point land, 3-4 from the FT line

NYU shooting 12 of 26 from the field, 5 of 10 from 3 point land, 11 of 12 from the FT line

Carnegie Mellon outrebounding NYU, 19-15, 8-3 on the offensive glass

Carnegie Mellon-- 9 assists, 8 turnovers committed

NYU-- 7 assists, 9 turnovers committed

Steals:  CMU with 5, NYU with 4

Points off turnovers:  NYU leading 6-4

Bench points:  NYU leading, 14-9

Points in the paint:  CMU leading, 16-14

Second chance points:  CMU leading, 6-2



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2022, 12:56:02 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 16, 2022, 12:53:03 PM
I don't see the UAA race being very close at the top.  I don't think any of those other teams are anywhere near WashU overall.

With road wins over Emory and Rochester already in hand, I can see 1 total UAA loss for the Bears...but not 2.

I think the battle for 2nd place will be very tight.

It would not surprise me to see Case Western Reserve take 2nd place when the season is over.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2022, 01:10:26 PM
Carnegie Mellon 58, NYU 49 with 13:16 left to play in regulation

For you UAA men's basketball fans who play fantasy picks--

Bobby Hawkinson of NYU has another 20/10 game today-- Bobby has 22 points and 11 rebounds so far.

RJ Holmes leading Carnegie Mellon with 23 points so far.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2022, 01:59:47 PM
Final from Brooklyn Heights, NY--

Carnegie Mellon 84, NYU 80

CMU improves to 8-4, 1-1 in the UAA

NYU drops to 9-3, 0-2 in the UAA

Leading scorers for Carnegie Mellon--

R.J. Holmes with a 20/10 game-- 29 points, 12 rebounds

Aidan Murphy with 14 points

Josh Berry with 13 points and 7 assists

Nick Nakasian with 10 points

Leading scorers for NYU--

Bobby Hawkinson with a 20/10 game-- 29 points and 16 rebounds

Zay Freeney with 15 points

Jacob Sussman with 12 points

Hayden Peek with 7 points

Freeney, Hawkinson, and Peek each had 3 assists to co-lead NYU in that category

Carnegie Mellon shot 28 of 63 from the field (44.4%), 10 of 22 from 3 pt land (45.5%), and 18 of 23 from the FT line (78.3%)

NYU shot 24 of 56 from the field (42.9%), 10 of 22 from 3 pt land, and 22 of 25 from the FT line (88%)

Carnegie Mellon outrebounded NYU 38-35, 13-9 on the offensive glass

Carnegie Mellon made 18 assists and turned the ball over 14 times

NYU made 15 assists and turned the ball over 17 times

Steals:  CMU made 9 steals, while NYU made 8 steals

Points off turnovers-- CMU won that category, 11-10

Points in the paint-- CMU won that category, 32-28

Second chance points-- CMU won that category, 10-6

Bench points-- NYU won that category, 22-21

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2022, 04:11:23 PM
Scheduled games next week

Tip times at 5:30 PM local time on Friday and Noon local time on Sunday

Friday, January 21, 2022

1.)  Emory at Case Western Reserve
2.)  Rochester at Carnegie Mellon
3.)  Brandeis at Chicago
4.)  NYU at Wash U

Sunday, January 23, 2022

1.)  Emory at Carnegie Mellon
2.)  Rochester at Case Western Reserve
3.)  NYU at Chicago
4.)  Brandeis at Wash U
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 16, 2022, 04:54:18 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 16, 2022, 12:53:03 PM
I don't see the UAA race being very close at the top.  I don't think any of those other teams are anywhere near WashU overall.

With road wins over Emory and Rochester already in hand, I can see 1 total UAA loss for the Bears...but not 2.

I think the battle for 2nd place will be very tight.

I do think those were the toughest two games for the Bears, but it's too early for this prediction.  I still think Emory is in it.  Case is in it.  And with Covid quarantines as an X factor. 

I thought Brandeis was going to be in the mix but I can barely remember what they look like it has been so long...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2022, 05:37:24 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 16, 2022, 04:54:18 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 16, 2022, 12:53:03 PM
I don't see the UAA race being very close at the top.  I don't think any of those other teams are anywhere near WashU overall.

With road wins over Emory and Rochester already in hand, I can see 1 total UAA loss for the Bears...but not 2.

I think the battle for 2nd place will be very tight.

I do think those were the toughest two games for the Bears, but it's too early for this prediction.  I still think Emory is in it.  Case is in it.  And with Covid quarantines as an X factor. 

I thought Brandeis was going to be in the mix but I can barely remember what they look like it has been so long...

I really won't know the current condition of the Brandeis men's team until I see them return to competition-- hopefully this upcoming Friday.  Unfortunately, I already know the current condition of the Brandeis women's team, and I honestly do not see how the Brandeis women can win a UAA game when the first run of the opposing team puts the Judges in too deep of a hole to climb out of....  Brandeis women already lost 3 home UAA games this season (in the 0-3 sense).  The Brandeis women are already reminding me of the DIII version of the last place Big Ten women's basketball teams such as Illinois and Wisconsin.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 17, 2022, 11:13:27 AM
UAA games only-- Through games of January 16, 2022

Some notes--

1.)  Only Emory and Rochester have played 3 UAA games.

2.)  Brandeis has yet to start UAA play.

3.)  The remaining UAA teams have played 2 UAA games.

Top 5 scorers in UAA games--

1.)  Jack Nolan, Wash U-- 29 PPG
2.)  Bobby Hawkinson, NYU-- 25 PPG
3.)  R.J. Holmes, Carnegie Mellon-- 22.5 PPG
4.)  Robert Faller, Case Western Reserve-- 20.5 PPG
5.)  Matthew Schner, Emory-- 19.3 PPG

Top 5 rebounders in UAA games--

1.)  Bobby Hawkinson, NYU-- 13.5 RPG
2.)  R.J. Holmes, Carnegie Mellon-- 11 RPG
3.)  Nick Nakasian, Carnegie Mellon-- 8.5 RPG
4.)  Cole Frilling, Case Western Reserve-- 8 RPG
5.)  Griffin Kornaker, Case Western Reserve-- 7.5 RPG

Top 5 "dime droppers" in UAA games--

1.)  Griffin Kornaker, Case Western Reserve-- 6.5 APG
T-2.)  Josh Berry, Carnegie Mellon-- 5 APG
T-2.)  Sean Oberman, Carnegie Mellon-- 5 APG
T-4.)  Hayden Doyle, Wash U-- 4 APG
T-4.)  Nick Stuck, Emory-- 4 APG
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2022, 05:23:38 PM
Thanks for that summary of UAA stats...

I had handed over the first-year player of the year honors to Emory, though Hayden Doyle is very quickly making his case. 

RJ Holmes may as well be handed the sophomore player of the year honors today.  He may be the most talented player the Tartans have had in my time following the UAA (have to think about that).

It is a shame to see Brandeis at 0-0 after three scheduled games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 17, 2022, 06:10:53 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 17, 2022, 05:23:38 PM
Thanks for that summary of UAA stats...

I had handed over the first-year player of the year honors to Emory, though Hayden Doyle is very quickly making his case. 

RJ Holmes may as well be handed the sophomore player of the year honors today.  He may be the most talented player the Tartans have had in my time following the UAA (have to think about that).

It is a shame to see Brandeis at 0-0 after three scheduled games.

Assuming the Brandeis men take the court to resume competition on Friday, it will be 41 days since Brandeis last played.  The Brandeis men already went 5 OTs vs Tufts, as well as winning their previous game over Colby by just 1 point.  I had initially thought that NYU would have been the program most affected thanks to a complete suspension of NYU Athletics that started on December 15, 2021 and looked like it was going to last at least a month, but eventually got lifted on January 4 to the extent that NYU could resume intercollegiate competition.  Even with Omicron rapidly circulating throughout the population, I was not anticipating that the Brandeis men's basketball team, out of all the UAA teams, would be the team most affected by the Omicron surge.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2022, 07:30:42 PM
I think only two programs have cancelled games due to Covid and one more has played without players, but my memory may be failing me.

It will be interesting to see if other cancellations end up balancing out the number of games played over the new few weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 17, 2022, 07:42:21 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 17, 2022, 07:30:42 PM
I think only two programs have cancelled games due to Covid and one more has played without players, but my memory may be failing me.

It will be interesting to see if other cancellations end up balancing out the number of games played over the new few weeks.

Well, according to what I read in the St. Louis feature news articles that Wash U sent out today regarding Justin Hardy and his battle with stage 4 stomach cancer, it looked like Justin was one of many players who were placed in COVID-19 protocol recently, which may explain why he only played in the Rochester game over the weekend and not in the Emory game.

A quote from the article:-- "It's hysterical to me that I have missed more games due to COVID than cancer.  It's a tough one to swallow."-- Justin Hardy of Wash U as placed on the record in the St. Louis Today feature article of Sunday, January 16, 2022.

Brandeis did cancel at least 1 non-conference game (the game vs Union) due to COVID, and depending on how the rest of the season plays out, it may be possible that the athletic directors of the affected UAA institutions may not be able to come up with a satisfactory way to reschedule the 3 UAA games that Brandeis missed and would have to cancel them.  In addition, I also do not know if Wash U and Chicago will be able to make up the men's basketball game that Chicago had to postpone due to COVID-19 protocols.  Obviously, best efforts have to be made to see if these UAA games can be rescheduled.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2022, 08:37:00 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 17, 2022, 07:42:21 PM
Well, according to what I read in the St. Louis feature news articles that Wash U sent out today regarding Justin Hardy and his battle with stage 4 stomach cancer, it looked like Justin was one of many players who were placed in COVID-19 protocol recently, which may explain why he only played in the Rochester game over the weekend and not in the Emory game.

Well, this is the explanation, yes.

Washington University was my one more that played without players reference.

I am finding it harder to keep track of players this season, but yeah, I think Carnegie Mellon played down a guy and probably everyone else has too, but I do not remember Case Western Reserve, Emory or Rochester playing without anyone that averages 15-20 minutes or more per game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue_jays on January 17, 2022, 11:31:22 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 17, 2022, 07:42:21 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 17, 2022, 07:30:42 PM
I think only two programs have cancelled games due to Covid and one more has played without players, but my memory may be failing me.

It will be interesting to see if other cancellations end up balancing out the number of games played over the new few weeks.

Well, according to what I read in the St. Louis feature news articles that Wash U sent out today regarding Justin Hardy and his battle with stage 4 stomach cancer, it looked like Justin was one of many players who were placed in COVID-19 protocol recently, which may explain why he only played in the Rochester game over the weekend and not in the Emory game.

A quote from the article:-- "It's hysterical to me that I have missed more games due to COVID than cancer.  It's a tough one to swallow."-- Justin Hardy of Wash U as placed on the record in the St. Louis Today feature article of Sunday, January 16, 2022.

Brandeis did cancel at least 1 non-conference game (the game vs Union) due to COVID, and depending on how the rest of the season plays out, it may be possible that the athletic directors of the affected UAA institutions may not be able to come up with a satisfactory way to reschedule the 3 UAA games that Brandeis missed and would have to cancel them.  In addition, I also do not know if Wash U and Chicago will be able to make up the men's basketball game that Chicago had to postpone due to COVID-19 protocols.  Obviously, best efforts have to be made to see if these UAA games can be rescheduled.

The WashU at UChicago game will definitely be made up. It's one of the easiest to do so, as WashU is about 5 hours away via bus. Likely a midweek late in the season. My bet is they play twice in the same week at end of February.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 18, 2022, 12:16:23 AM
I think that is right about the Washington University game with UChicago. 

They could easily flip a coin to determine the location and then do a Friday-Sunday double header or Saturday-Sunday for that matter.

The travel partner games are the easiest to make-up so I think these will take priority over other missed games.  Brandeis and NYU definitely need to play their game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 18, 2022, 12:37:16 PM
Awards for this week being announced today in men's basketball--

1.)  Congratulations to Jack Nolan of Wash U on being named UAA Co-Athlete of the Week in men's basketball.

This is the first time this season for Jack Nolan getting this honor.

Source:  Tweet from Wash U athletics sent out at 11:25 AM Central/12:25 PM Eastern.

2.)  Congratulations to Bobby Hawkinson of NYU on being named to the D3Hoops.com Team of the Week for games played January 10-16, 2022.

Source:  www.d3hoops.com/awards/tow/2021-22/week8 (http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/tow/2021-22/week8)

3.)  Congratulations also go to Bobby Hawkinson of NYU on being named UAA Co-Athlete of the Week in men's basketball.  This is the third time this season that Bobby Hawkinson has been named UAA AOW, and the first time this season that he is sharing the honor with another player.

Bobby previously was named UAA AOW for men's basketball on November 8, 2021, and on December 13, 2021.

Source:  Tweet from NYU Athletics at 6:23 PM Eastern, Tuesday, January 18, 2022.

UAA Athlete of the Week Report-- January 17, 2022 (http://uaasports.info/information/aow/011722)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 19, 2022, 01:17:05 PM
New Case Western Reserve spectator policy--

Starting Monday January 24, spectators will be allowed to attend home varsity events at CWRU.  CWRU will require all spectators to wear masks at all times indoors and socially distance from others wherever possible.  Also, CWRU recommends that all spectators be up to date on their COVID 19 vaccines to attend any varsity event-- Only those who are fully vaccinated, including a booster if eligible, should attend a CWRU home contest in person.

No spectators will be allowed at the CWRU basketball games vs Emory and Rochester this weekend, but spectators will be allowed the following weekend at the CWRU basketball games vs Chicago and Wash U.

Spectators to be Allowed back into CWRU Home Athletic Events starting Jan. 24  (http://athletics.case.edu/general/2021-22/releases/20220119gbx7yx)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 20, 2022, 08:21:05 AM
CWRU's #24 ranking is the highest in team history and only the second time in Top 25. The other time was Jan 18, 2015 when Spartans were 12-2. The next weekend they split with Emory and Rochester and dropped out even though receiving one more vote. They finished the year 15-10, 6-8 in UAA. Spartans have not won more than 15 in a season since then. CWRU previous most wins were 17 in 1998-99, the last season when Spartans did not play a double round-robin in UAA. That was Coach Sudek's penultimate season.

Interestingly, CWRU faces Emory and Rochester at home this weekend.

https://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20220118de6z6u
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2022, 05:14:23 PM
(https://cdn.prestosports.com/action/cdn/img/mw=710/cr=n/d=611ke/mscok1a0l4xqkq2p.jpg)

Hoopsville is live on the air tonight starting at 7:00 PM ET. Might be a guest worth tuning into from this conference. :)

We will have the following guests:

Plus the latest from the NCAA Convention and much more.

It is a jam packed show! Tune in starting at 7:00 PM ET here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/jan20 - the show will be available on demand and the audio podcast will be available shortly after the show as well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 07:19:12 AM
Scheduled games for this weekend-- As of this morning, all games are still scheduled to be played

Friday, January 21, 2022

1.)  (RV) Rochester at Carnegie Mellon-- 5:30 PM Eastern
2.)  (RV) Emory at (#24) Case Western Reserve-- 5:30 PM Eastern
3.)  Brandeis at Chicago-- 5:30 PM Central/6:30 PM Eastern  (First time Brandeis men take the court in 41 days)
4.)  NYU at (#4) Wash U-- 5:30 PM Central/6:30 PM Eastern

Sunday, January 23, 2022

1.)  (RV) Rochester at Case Western Reserve-- Noon Eastern
2.)  (RV) Emory at Carnegie Mellon-- Noon Eastern
3.)  Brandeis at (#4) Wash U-- Noon Central/1 PM Eastern
4.)  NYU at Chicago-- Noon Central/1 PM Eastern



Review of spectator policies for UAA games this weekend

This weekend, spectators are only allowed in games played at the Ratner Center in Chicago.  All spectators must be fully vaccinated and it is advised, if eligible, that they have had their booster in order to comply with the City of Chicago Health Guidelines.

A Chicago Travel Advisory is still in effect-- Only fully vaccinated individuals who are travelling from outside of the state of Illinois are allowed to travel to Chicago without undergoing a recommended 7 day quarantine upon arrival and testing before and after travel.

No person currently not fully vaccinated is allowed on the University of Chicago campus.

Masks must be worn inside Ratner Center at all times.

Currently, other than those above mentioned critieria, there is no limit on the number of fans allowed inside the Ratner Center.

For Brandeis fans in the Chicago area, Friday's UAA doubleheader at the Ratner Center is also a Brandeis Alumni Club of Chicago event.

No in-person spectators allowed this weekend for games played at Wash U, Case Western Reserve, and Carnegie Mellon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2022, 09:25:07 AM

This is a huge weekend for Case. If they win both these games, they're set up for a shot at Pool C. If they lose, it forces them to win a lot of road games to have a chance.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 09:27:38 AM
Due to glitches on the live Hoopsville broadcast, only the second half of Coach Todd McGuiness's Q & A with Dave McHugh got played last night, but the complete interview is now available on the Team1Sports.com archive for replay on demand this morning.

Of interest to me in particular is the fact that the Brandeis, Carnegie Mellon, and CWRU athletic directors are still negotiating on how to make up two of the three missed Brandeis men's UAA basketball games that were forced to be postponed due to COVID-19 protocols.  None of the UAA games have been officially cancelled at this time, but scheduling of the make up games has not yet been finalized.

Coach McGuiness did talk about one potential solution, where Brandeis would move 2 of the postponed games to Pittsburgh and Cleveland, respectively.  He talked about it in terms of number of games played during the week coinciding with the Feb. 11 through 13 weekend, when Brandeis is scheduled to play the road games at Carnegie Mellon and CWRU.  While the proposal was not expressed in detail in the interview, here is my guess in one potential solution for the Brandeis games vs Carnegie Mellon and CWRU.

Under one proposal to make up the games, the Brandeis men would incur the extra travel and hotel expenses.  This would be the games scheduled for the weekend of February 11 through 13, 2022.  Under the proposed travel scheme, the Brandeis men could leave on Wednesday, February 9, or if the get away day remained Thursday, leave Boston on an earlier flight to Pittsburgh that day.  On Thursday, February 10, the Brandeis men would play Carnegie Mellon at Wiegand Gym in a "reverse jersey" contest, with Brandeis wearing the home whites that day.  The Friday game would be played as usual as the second game of the series.  On Saturday, both Brandeis basketball teams would travel to Cleveland.  The Sunday game would be played as usual as the first game of the 2 game Brandeis/CWRU series at Horsburgh Gym.  There would be another men's game between Brandeis and CWRU on Monday, February 14, where Brandeis would once again wear the home whites that day.  That game would be played as early on Monday as possible so that the Judges can return to Boston from Cleveland and get ready to play Bates at Auerbach Arena on Wednesday night, February 16.  (Assuming that the Bates game can be kept under this proposal.)

The Brandeis women's basketball team would travel on their normal travel schedule for that weekend.

The proposal is still under review, and I do not expect to see any rescheduling announcements until at least the end of January.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 09:33:01 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2022, 09:25:07 AM

This is a huge weekend for Case. If they win both these games, they're set up for a shot at Pool C. If they lose, it forces them to win a lot of road games to have a chance.

I will probably put up halftime and final stats for both CWRU men's games this weekend so that people who are watching other games will get a snapshot of the UAA games from Cleveland.

(Obviously with 4 men's games being played tonight, I can't do a detailed blog of every game as it proceeds-- the halftimes are too short to get 2 halftime reports posted at the same time unless I write down the stats on pen and paper before I post them.)

I am also going to be watching Brandeis at Chicago tonight, which will tip an hour after Emory at Case Western Reserve.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 21, 2022, 10:16:02 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 09:33:01 AM
(Obviously with 4 men's games being played tonight, I can't do a detailed blog of every game as it proceeds-- the halftimes are too short to get 2 halftime reports posted at the same time unless I write down the stats on pen and paper before I post them.)

Your game update are appreciated.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 21, 2022, 10:48:23 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2022, 09:25:07 AM
This is a huge weekend for Case. If they win both these games, they're set up for a shot at Pool C. If they lose, it forces them to win a lot of road games to have a chance.

Definitely a huge weekend for the Spartans.

Hosting Emory, Rochester and Washington University first games in the rotation is a big advantage.

Emory will need to get more out of Romin Williams if they want to win.  He did not win the the first-year player of the year with his perimeter shooting.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on January 21, 2022, 11:17:26 AM
Wow.

I never would have imagined that CWRU would have a team ranked #24.

GO SPARTANS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 21, 2022, 12:21:40 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on January 21, 2022, 11:17:26 AM
Wow.

I never would have imagined that CWRU would have a team ranked #24.

GO SPARTANS!!!

And I didn't remember them ever being in the Top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 21, 2022, 12:29:59 PM
Dane McLoughlin and company had the Spartans in the rankings for one week or maybe two.  That was a great team too, but they fell off to end the season.  This is definitely a better team.

The next few weeks are going to be crazy...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 21, 2022, 03:07:57 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 21, 2022, 10:16:02 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 09:33:01 AM
(Obviously with 4 men's games being played tonight, I can't do a detailed blog of every game as it proceeds-- the halftimes are too short to get 2 halftime reports posted at the same time unless I write down the stats on pen and paper before I post them.)

Your game update are appreciated.

I concur.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 05:46:34 PM
Emory 20, CWRU 17  10:55 left in first half

Cole Frilling of CWRU with a game high 6 points so far.

Rochester 17, Carnegie Mellon 14 9:07 left in first half

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 05:52:27 PM
Emory 28, CWRU 19  7:20 left in first half

Emory shooting 7 of 9 from 3 pt land (77.8%) so far in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 05:58:02 PM
Emory 36, CWRU 22 4 min to go in first half

Emory shooting 9 of 13 from 3 pt land (69.2%) in the half so far.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 06:03:24 PM
Halftime at Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh--

Rochester 35, Carnegie Mellon 30

Brian Amabilino Perez with a game high 11 points, 4 rebounds, and 2 assists to lead Rochester

R.J. Holmes leading CMU with 7 points, 5 rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 06:13:37 PM
Halftime at Horsburgh Gym in Cleveland--

Emory 45, Case Western Reserve 29

Leading scorers for Emory--

Albert Fallas-- 12 points

Romin Williams-- 8 points

Logan Shanahan-- 6 points

Cale Martens leading Emory with 5 rebounds

Nick Stuck leading Emory with 4 assists

Leading scorers for CWRU--

Mitch Prendergast and Cole Frilling tied at 9 points a piece

Brian Hines leading CWRU with 3 rebounds

Luke Thorburn leading CWRU with 2 assists

Emory shot 17 of 25 (68%) from the field, 10 of 14 (71.4%) from 3 pt  land, and 1 of 2 from the charity stripe

CWRU shot 10 of 31 (32.3%) from the field, 3 of 11 (27.3%) from 3 pt land, and 6 of 9 (66.7%) from the charity stripe

Emory outrebounded CWRU 21-9, but CWRU outrebounded Emory 3-2 on the offensive glass

Emory made 13 assists and committed 13 turnovers--5 of which were as a result of CWRU steals

CWRU made 4 assists and committed 6 turnovers-- 5 of which were as a result of Emory steals

Points off turnovers-- CWRU leading, 12-4

Bench points-- Emory leading 13-7

Second chance points-- Even at 2-2.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 21, 2022, 06:21:18 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 21, 2022, 12:29:59 PM
Dane McLoughlin and company had the Spartans in the rankings for one week or maybe two.  That was a great team too, but they fell off to end the season.  This is definitely a better team.

The next few weeks are going to be crazy...

Scroll up the page I linked the story from the CWRU website.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 06:29:00 PM
Starting lineups for Brandeis at Chicago

Tommy Eastman is back in the starting lineup for Brandeis tonight-- Joining him is Collin Sawyer, Sam Nassar, Nolan Hagerty, and Toby Harris.

Starting for Chicago-- Leonardo Edo, Brandon Beckman, Ryan Martin, Bryce Hopkins, and Zach Munson.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 06:42:02 PM
Emory 65, CWRU 56  9:19 left in regulation

Rochester 67, Carnegie Mellon 50  5:28 left in regulation

Chicago 14, Brandeis 6  13:15 left in first half
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 06:45:57 PM
Emory 72, CWRU 61  7:32 left in regulation

Cole Frilling with a game high 21 points so far for CWRU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 06:58:49 PM
Final from Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh--

Rochester 71, Carnegie Mellon 60

Rochester improves to 10-4, 2-2 in the UAA

Carnegie Mellon drops to 8-5, 1-2 in the UAA

Brian Amabilino Perez with a game high 18 points for Rochester

Trent Noordsij scored 15 points, while Matt Niemczura scored 10 for the Yellowjackets.

Kevin Sax led Carnegie Mellon with 11 points

R.J. Holmes with a double double for the Tartans-- 10 points, 11 rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 07:09:32 PM
Final from Horsburgh Gym in Cleveland--

Emory 80, Case Western Reserve 70

Emory improves to 10-4, 3-1 in the UAA

CWRU drops to 12-2, 2-1 in the UAA

Leading scorers for Emory--

Matthew Schner-- 15 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists

Albert Fallas-- 14 points

Max Fried-- 12 points

Nick Stuck-- 11 points, 6 assists

Leading scorers for CWRU--

Cole Frilling-- game high 24 points, 6 rebounds

Mitch Prendergast-- 18 points

Ryan Newton-- 10 points

Griffin Kornaker leading CWRU with 3 assists

Emory shot 31 of 51 from the field (60.8%), 12 of 22 from 3 pt land (54.5%), and 6 of 11 (54.5%) from the charity stripe

CWRU shot 24 of 61 from the field (39.3%), 9 of 26 from 3 pt land (34.6%), and 13 of 17 from the charity stripe (76.5%)

Emory outrebounded CWRU, 35-26, but CWRU outrebounded Emory 7-4 on the offensive glass

Emory made 21 assists and committed 21 turnovers-- 8 of which were as a result of CWRU steals

CWRU made 14 assists and committed 13 turnovers-- 12 of which were as a result of Emory steals

Points off turnovers-- CWRU won that category, 25-13

Second chance points-- Even at 6 a piece

Bench points-- Emory won that category, 30-22

Points in the paint-- Emory won that category, 26-18
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 07:11:20 PM
Halftime from Ratner Center in Chicago--

Brandeis 31, Chicago 28

Leading scorers for Brandeis--

Tommy Eastman-- 10 points, 3 rebounds

Chandler Jones and Toby Harris with 6 points a piece

Nolan Hagerty leading Brandeis with 5 rebounds-- he scored 4 points in the half

Chandler Jones leading Brandeis with 2 assists

Leading scorer for Chicago--

Zach Munson-- 10 points, 2 rebounds

2 Chicago players with 3 rebounds

Brandon Beckman leading Chicago with 2 assists

Brandeis shot 12 of 24 from the field (50%), 1 of 5 from 3 pt range (20%), and 6 of 8 from the charity stripe (75%)

Chicago shot 12 of 26 from the field (46.2%), 0 of 9 from 3 pt range, and 4 of 8 from the charity stripe (50%)

Brandeis outrebounded Chicago 17-12, 4-3 on the offensive glass

Brandeis made 3 assists and committed 7 turnovers

Chicago made 4 assists and committed 4 turnovers

Steals-- Chicago made 3 steals, while Brandeis made 1 steal

Points off turnovers-- Chicago leads, 7-4

Points in the paint-- Brandeis leads, 18-14

Second chance points-- Brandeis leads, 6-2

Bench points-- Brandeis leads, 8-3

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 07:34:57 PM
Brandeis 43, Chicago 32  15:59 left in regulation

Brandeis shooting 16 of 29 from the field (55.2%), 4 of 9 from 3 pt range (44.4%), 7 of 10 from the charity stripe

Chicago shooting 13 of 32 from the field (40.6%), 0 of 13 from 3 pt range, and 6 of 10 from the FT line.

Toby Harris now in double figures for Brandeis with 11 points-- Tommy Eastman with a game high 13 points so far.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 07:47:18 PM
The camera picked up some of the Brandeis alumni fans of Chicago with their families-- they are sitting in the stands behind the Brandeis bench, where the camera is placed.  Most of the spectators are sitting on the end of Ratner Center where the camera is placed, so they are hidden from view.

Brandeis leading over Chicago 52-40 with 9:58 left

Tommy Eastman with 18 points for Brandeis-- Zach Munson with 18 points for Chicago

Chicago shooting 0 of 15 from 3 pt land for the game so far.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 07:52:16 PM
At Edwards-Fahey Court at the Wash U Field House in St. Louis--

#4 Wash U leading over NYU 83-55 with 3:49 left in regulation

Jack Nolan with a game high 29 points for Wash U so far.

Sorry, fantasy fans-- Bobby Hawkinson has been held to 6 points and 8 rebounds for NYU so far, so it does not look like Hawkinson will have a 20/10 game today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 08:00:23 PM
Final from St. Louis--

#4 Wash U 97, NYU 61

Wash U improves to 13-1, 3-0 in the UAA

NYU drops to 9-4, 0-3 in the UAA

Jack Nolan finished with a game high 29 points for the Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 08:03:25 PM
Brandeis leading over Chicago 62-43 with 1:57 left in regulation

Tommy Eastman, the grad transfer from Middlebury, leading Brandeis with a 20 point game for the Judges on his first game back from injury.

On another note, congrats to Tommy Eastman on joining the 1,000 point club and scoring his 1,000th college career point wearing a Brandeis jersey.  (Most of his college points were scored in SUNY Geneseo and Middlebury uniforms.)  Tommy Eastman accomplished the feat with a 3 pointer with 16:38 left in regulation at the Ratner Center.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 08:15:31 PM
Final from the Ratner Center in Chicago--

Brandeis men win their UAA opener, 62-47, over Chicago

Brandeis improves to 8-2, 1-0 in the UAA

Chicago drops to 5-9, 0-3 in the UAA

Leading scorers for Brandeis--

Tommy Eastman-- 20 points, 6 rebounds

Toby Harris-- 11 points

Chandler Jones-- 9 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists

Leading scorers for Chicago--

Zach Munson-- 19 points, 5 rebounds

Bryce Hopkins-- 8 points

Brandon Beckman-- 7 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists

Leonardo Edo-- 6 points, 5 rebounds

Brandeis shot 22 of 46 from the field (47.8%), 4 of 13 from 3 point range (30.8%), and 14 of 21 from the charity stripe (66.7%)

Chicago shot 18 of 51 from the field (35.3%), 1 of 18 from 3 point range (5.6%), and 10 of 18 from the charity stripe (55.6%)

Brandeis outrebounded Chicago 35-28, but Chicago outrebounded Brandeis 7-6 on the offensive glass

Brandeis made 9 assists and committed 11 turnovers-- 4 of which were as a result of Chicago steals

Chicago made 7 assists and committed 9 turnovers-- 6 of which were as a result of Brandeis steals

Points off turnovers-- Chicago won that category, 10-8

Points in the paint-- Brandeis won that category, 30-24

Bench points-- Brandeis won that category, 16-7

Second chance points-- Brandeis won that category, 8-7
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2022, 09:21:47 PM
Tommy Eastman of Brandeis--

Now with 1,007 career points overall

1.)  553 points scored in a SUNY-Geneseo uniform-- first-year and sophomore

2.)  367 points scored in a Middlebury uniform-- Senior year

3.)  87 points scored in a Brandeis jersey this season.

Information obtained from Brandeis's game recap vs Chicago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on January 23, 2022, 05:36:15 AM
If he stays healthy the rest of the way Eastman will likely be all conference in three different D3 leagues. Has they ever been done before?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2022, 11:47:57 AM
Quote from: nescac1 on January 23, 2022, 05:36:15 AM
If he stays healthy the rest of the way Eastman will likely be all conference in three different D3 leagues. Has they ever been done before?

it seems, nescac1, that you posted the same question back on the NESCAC boards when Tommy Eastman announced his transfer to Brandeis.

To be honest, I don't know of any men's college basketball player in any division who made all conference in 3 different college basketball conferences before.  It takes 2 transfers for that scenario to potentially happen, and usually if a player transfers to a D1 team, that player cannot play for a full season after the transfer.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2022, 11:49:38 AM
I will be watching the first half of the Rochester at CWRU men's game before switching over to watch Brandeis at Wash U in its entirety.

12:02 PM Eastern update-- Emory at Carnegie Mellon is underway; Rochester at CWRU will tip at approx 12:05 PM Eastern.

12:08 PM Eastern update-- Rochester at Case Western Reserve is underway.  Ron Jantz on PxP with Jack Vaselaney on color from Horsburgh Gym.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2022, 12:17:46 PM
At Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh--

Emory 24, Carnegie Mellon 24  8:16 left in first half

Emory was leading 22-18 after the first 10 minutes of play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2022, 12:19:39 PM
At Horsburgh Gym in Cleveland--

Case Western Reserve 17, Rochester 5  13:10 left in first half

CWRU shooting 7 of 9 from the field (77.8%), 3 of 5 from 3 pt range (60%) so far.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2022, 12:25:23 PM
At Horsburgh Gym in Cleveland--

Case Western Reserve 17, Rochester 15  10:12 left in first half

Rochester on a 10-0 run.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2022, 12:31:40 PM
Rochester 23, CWRU 20 7:06 left in first half

Rochester's Brian Amabilino-Perez with a game high 14 points so far.

The third official has just arrived at the Rochester at CWRU men's game-- which is why the men's game tipped off at 12:08 PM Eastern (The game started with 2 referees.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2022, 12:35:00 PM
Halftime at Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh--

Emory 44, Carnegie Mellon 35

Matthew Schner with a game high 13 points to lead Emory

R.J. Holmes with 9 points and 7 rebounds to lead Carnegie Mellon.

Emory shot 16 of 37 (43.2%) from the field, 10 of 21 from 3 pt land (47.6%) and 2 of 2 from the FT line.

Carnegie Mellon shot 14 of 29 (48.3%) from the field, 3 of 10 from 3 pt land, and 4 of 7 (57.1%) from the FT line.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2022, 12:37:51 PM
Mitch Prendergast just became the first Spartan to get to double figures today.  Now at 10 points for the game so far.

Rochester leading 31-29 over CWRU with 2:57 to go in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2022, 12:48:11 PM
Halftime at Horsburgh Gym in Cleveland--

Rochester 38, Case Western Reserve 35

Brian Amabilino Perez with a game high 16 points to lead Rochester

Mitch Prendergast leading CWRU with 13 points.

Brandeis and Wash U now warming up, and Jaybird44 has just started the pregame show...

Today's Brandeis at Wash U men's game is being played to commemorate United Nations International Holocaust Remembrance Day, which falls on January 27, 2022 this year.

International Holocaust Remembrance Day commemorates the anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz and Birkenau death camps by the Allies on January 27, 1945.

The State of Israel has its own Holocaust Memorial Day called Yom Hashoah.  This occurs on the Hebrew date of the 27th of Nisan every year-- the day that the Warsaw Ghetto uprising started in 1943.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2022, 01:33:00 PM
Final from Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh--

Emory 94, Carnegie Mellon 66

Emory improves to 11-4, 4-1 in UAA

Carnegie Mellon drops to 8-6, 1-3 in UAA

4 Emory players scored in double figures, led by Matthew Schner with a game high 25 points, followed by Romin Williams with 20 points, Nick Stuck with 14, and Albert Fallas with 11.

Greg Lawrence grabbed 10 rebounds for Emory

Nick Stuck led Emory with 8 assists

Carnegie Mellon was led by R.J. Holmes with 13 points, followed by Kevin Sax with 10 points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2022, 01:48:29 PM
Halftime from Edwards-Fahey Court at the Wash U Field House in St. Louis--

Wash U 35, Brandeis 30

Leading scorers for Wash U--

Jack Nolan--14 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists

Justin Hardy-- 5 points, 5 rebounds

Leading scorers for Brandeis--

Collin Sawyer-- 12 points

Terrell Brown-- 4 points

2 Brandeis players with 3 rebounds each (Darret Justice, Chandler Jones)

3 Brandeis players with 1 assist each (Collin Sawyer, Sam Nassar, Aedan Using)

Wash U shot 11 of 24 from the field (45.8%), 5 of 8 from 3 pt land (62.5%), and 8 of 11 from the FT line (72.7%)

Brandeis shot 10 of 28 from the field (35.7%), 4 of 14 from 3 pt land (28.6%), and 6 of 7 from the FT line (85.7%)

Wash U outrebounded Brandeis 18-14, 5-4 on the offensive glass

Wash U made 4 assists and committed 6 turnovers-- 3 of which were as a result of Brandeis steals

Brandeis made 3 assists and committed 3 turnovers-- 2 of which were as a result of Wash U steals

Points off turnovers-- Brandeis leads 8-4

Points in the paint-- Brandeis leads 10-8

Second chance points-- Brandeis leads, 3-2

Bench points-- Brandeis leads, 8-7

Chandler Jones picked up 3 fouls in the half for Brandeis-- only Brandeis player in foul trouble.

No Wash U players in foul trouble.

Brandeis blocked 2 shots in the half to Wash U's 1 block.  The second Brandeis block came from Aedan Using at the end of the half.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2022, 01:49:54 PM
Final from Horsburgh Gym in Cleveland--

Case Western Reserve 74, Rochester 61

CWRU improves to 13-2, 3-1 in the UAA

Rochester drops to 10-5, 2-3 in the UAA
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2022, 01:51:35 PM
Halftime at Ratner Center in Chicago--

NYU 34, Chicago 31

Bobby Hawkinson leading NYU with 14 points and 9 rebounds.

Brandon Beckman leading Chicago with 9 points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2022, 02:18:04 PM
NYU 55, Chicago 52 6:15 left in regulation at Ratner Center in Chicago

Bobby Hawkinson with 16 points, 12 rebounds, and 7 assists to lead NYU-- He needs 4 more points for a 20/10 game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2022, 02:30:30 PM
First 15 minutes of the second half--

Wash U outscoring Brandeis 25-9 in that timeframe.

Not even the Yeshiva Maccabees would have been able to break that Wash U defense today.  If Wash U is locking down Tommy Eastman today, I strongly believe that Ryan Turrell of Yeshiva would have suffered the same fate if he was on the Edwards Fahey Court right now facing that Wash U defense.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2022, 02:43:26 PM
Finals--

Wash U 67, Brandeis 53

Wash U improves to 14-1, 4-0 in the UAA

Brandeis drops to 8-3, 1-1 in the UAA

Leading scorers for Wash U

Jack Nolan with a game high 25 points and 3 assists

Justin Hardy with 12 points and 10 rebounds

Jake Wolf with 7 rebounds

Leading scorers for Brandeis

Collin Sawyer with 17 points

Tommy Eastman with 8 points

Toby Harris with 6 points

Sam Nassar with 5 points, 5 rebounds, and 3 assists

Darret Justice also had 5 rebounds for Brandeis

I will do a complete blog report on the game later....

Chicago 70, NYU 57

Chicago improves to 6-9, 1-3 in the UAA

NYU drops to 9-5, 0-4 in the UAA

Fantasy team stats-- Bobby Hawkinson finished for NYU at 18 points, 12 rebounds, and 7 assists-- 2 points shy of a 20/10 game.

Brandon Beckman with a game high 19 points to lead Chicago



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 23, 2022, 04:51:52 PM
The parity that I talked about in November and December may well be there, but with the results so far, clearly the UAA race is looking exactly as expected in the preaseason with four teams in contention.

Unfortunately, I don't think there is any way the three loss teams will have a chance.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2022, 05:37:48 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 23, 2022, 04:51:52 PM
The parity that I talked about in November and December may well be there, but with the results so far, clearly the UAA race is looking exactly as expected in the preaseason with four teams in contention.

Unfortunately, I don't think there is any way the three loss teams will have a chance.

Here are the standings in order of w/l percentage (which is how a UAA champion and AQ is determined, although the only time so far that a UAA champion was crowned in basketball with UAA teams eligible for the title playing different numbers of conference games was in the first full year of the UAA's existence, which was the 1987-88 season.)

1.)  Wash U-- 4-0 UAA (1.000), 14-1 overall
2.)  Emory-- 4-1 UAA (.800), 11-4 overall
3.)  Case Western Reserve-- 3-1 UAA (.750), 13-2 overall
4.)  Brandeis-- 1-1 UAA (.500), 8-3 overall
5.)  Rochester-- 2-3 UAA (.400), 10-5 overall
T-6.) Carnegie Mellon-- 1-3 UAA (.250), 8-6 overall
T-6.)  Chicago-- 1-3 UAA (.250), 6-9 overall
8.)  NYU-- 0-4 UAA (.000), 9-5 overall
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2022, 06:05:42 PM
Top 5 scorers in UAA play after this weekend of games--

1.)  Jack Nolan, Wash U-- 28.0 PPG
2.)  Matthew Schner, Emory-- 19.6 PPG
3.)  Mitch Prendergast, CWRU-- 19.0 PPG
4.)  Bobby Hawkinson, NYU-- 18.3 PPG (includes NYU at Chicago game)
5.)  R.J. Holmes, Carnegie Mellon-- 17.0 PPG

Top 5 rebounders in UAA play--

1.)  Bobby Hawkinson, NYU-- 11.8 RPG
2.)  R.J. Holmes, Carnegie Mellon-- 10.8 RPG
3.)  Justin Hardy, Wash U-- 7.7 RPG
4.)  Matthew Schner, Emory-- 7.2 RPG
5.)  Cole Frilling, CWRU-- 7.0 RPG

Top 5 "dime droppers" in UAA play--

1.)  Nick Stuck, Emory-- 5.2 APG
2.)  Griffin Kornaker, CWRU-- 5.0 APG
3.)  Josh Berry, Carnegie Mellon-- 4.3 APG
4.)  Hayden Doyle, Wash U-- 4 APG
5.)  Sean Oberman, Carnegie Mellon-- 3.5 APG
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2022, 06:15:22 PM
More on the final earlier from the Wash U Field House in St. Louis--

Wash U 67, Brandeis 53

Team stats--

Wash U shot 23 of 53 from the field (43.4%), 7 of 17 from 3 point land (41.2%), and 14 of 18 from the FT line (77.8%)

Brandeis shot 19 of 57 from the field (33.3%), 8 of 28 from 3 point land (28.6%), and 7 of 9 from the FT line (77.8%)

Wash U outrebounded Brandeis 40-29, 14-10 off the offensive glass

Wash U made 8 assists and committed 12 turnovers-- 6 of which were as a result of Brandeis steals

Brandeis made 8 assists and committed 9 turnovers-- 4 of which were as a result of Wash U steals

Points off turnovers-- Even at 14 a piece

Points in the paint-- Wash U won that category, 26-16

Second chance points-- Wash U won that category, 18-8

Bench points-- Brandeis won that category, 13-10
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2022, 05:15:58 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 23, 2022, 11:47:57 AM
Quote from: nescac1 on January 23, 2022, 05:36:15 AM
If he stays healthy the rest of the way Eastman will likely be all conference in three different D3 leagues. Has they ever been done before?

it seems, nescac1, that you posted the same question back on the NESCAC boards when Tommy Eastman announced his transfer to Brandeis.

To be honest, I don't know of any men's college basketball player in any division who made all conference in 3 different college basketball conferences before.  It takes 2 transfers for that scenario to potentially happen, and usually if a player transfers to a D1 team, that player cannot play for a full season after the transfer.

If I understand this correctly, Tommy Eastman graduated from Middlebury. Is that correct? If it is, then it doesn't require two transfers to be named to three different college basketball conference all-conference teams, because Eastman hasn't transferred twice. He transferred once, from Geneseo State to Middlebury. He graduated from Middlebury; he didn't transfer from there. His enrollment as a graduate student at Brandeis is for an entirely different degree than his bachelor's degree, which also means a different set of course requirements, different transcript, different academic standing, etc.

You can't divorce the academic from the athletic, because, on the one hand, Eastman's eligibility is inherently his; it doesn't belong to anybody or anything else, so it therefore is an entity that can't be transferred. On the other hand, Eastman's eligibility status is reliant upon, and therefore reflective of, his enrollment at an institution of higher learning. And, academically speaking, he has transferred once and has graduated-and-rematriculated once, so the same is true of his eligibility status.

This is going to be an increasingly popular path to using up one's athletic eligibility in the Covid era, so I suppose that the term "transfer" will be used colloquially the way that Allen is using it. I'm therefore likely shouting into the whirlwind (and not for the first time, either ;)). But I'm not simply being pedantic in pointing out that it's technically incorrect to say that Eastman transferred twice; I'm pointing it out because, fairly or unfairly, there is a stigma attached to a student-athlete who has transferred twice. The inference -- sometimes spoken, sometimes unspoken -- is that a twice-transferred student-athlete is either a malcontent or a marginal student, or both. (As I said, that's not always a fair inference.) Someone like Eastman should not have to bear that stigma because of a misconception that he transferred twice when he actually didn't -- in fact, the opposite is true, as his current enrollment reflects two academic achievements, receiving a bachelor's degree and matriculation into a graduate program.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2022, 07:09:07 PM

The NCAA considers that a grad transfer. It might not be an academic transfer, but it is an athletic transfer.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 25, 2022, 08:30:47 AM
Congratulations to Jack Nolan of Wash U on being named UAA Athlete of the Week in Men's Basketball for the second week in a row.

Wash U January 24 press release:  Five Bears Selected as UAA Athletes of the Week (http://washubears.com/general/2021-22/releases/20220124qq78yq)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 25, 2022, 10:07:42 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2022, 05:15:58 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 23, 2022, 11:47:57 AM
Quote from: nescac1 on January 23, 2022, 05:36:15 AM
If he stays healthy the rest of the way Eastman will likely be all conference in three different D3 leagues. Has they ever been done before?

it seems, nescac1, that you posted the same question back on the NESCAC boards when Tommy Eastman announced his transfer to Brandeis.

To be honest, I don't know of any men's college basketball player in any division who made all conference in 3 different college basketball conferences before.  It takes 2 transfers for that scenario to potentially happen, and usually if a player transfers to a D1 team, that player cannot play for a full season after the transfer.

If I understand this correctly, Tommy Eastman graduated from Middlebury. Is that correct? If it is, then it doesn't require two transfers to be named to three different college basketball conference all-conference teams, because Eastman hasn't transferred twice. He transferred once, from Geneseo State to Middlebury. He graduated from Middlebury; he didn't transfer from there. His enrollment as a graduate student at Brandeis is for an entirely different degree than his bachelor's degree, which also means a different set of course requirements, different transcript, different academic standing, etc.

You can't divorce the academic from the athletic, because, on the one hand, Eastman's eligibility is inherently his; it doesn't belong to anybody or anything else, so it therefore is an entity that can't be transferred. On the other hand, Eastman's eligibility status is reliant upon, and therefore reflective of, his enrollment at an institution of higher learning. And, academically speaking, he has transferred once and has graduated-and-rematriculated once, so the same is true of his eligibility status.

This is going to be an increasingly popular path to using up one's athletic eligibility in the Covid era, so I suppose that the term "transfer" will be used colloquially the way that Allen is using it. I'm therefore likely shouting into the whirlwind (and not for the first time, either ;)). But I'm not simply being pedantic in pointing out that it's technically incorrect to say that Eastman transferred twice; I'm pointing it out because, fairly or unfairly, there is a stigma attached to a student-athlete who has transferred twice. The inference -- sometimes spoken, sometimes unspoken -- is that a twice-transferred student-athlete is either a malcontent or a marginal student, or both. (As I said, that's not always a fair inference.) Someone like Eastman should not have to bear that stigma because of a misconception that he transferred twice when he actually didn't -- in fact, the opposite is true, as his current enrollment reflects two academic achievements, receiving a bachelor's degree and matriculation into a graduate program.

I was using the term "transfer" in the same way that the NCAA uses it-- 1 transfer while an undergrad, and once the person receives a baccalureate degree, the person is a grad transfer for athletic purposes if that person still has at least one more year of NCAA athletic eligibility left and the new institution has a master's degree in a new or existing major that is not available at the original institution.

I don't believe that anyone would question the academic credentials of a grad transfer.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 25, 2022, 02:26:58 PM
I am surely not the only one who enjoys watching the most detail driven posters on the boards quarrel over minor details.  The boards would not be the same without you guys.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 25, 2022, 04:02:31 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2022, 07:09:07 PM

The NCAA considers that a grad transfer. It might not be an academic transfer, but it is an athletic transfer.

This still seems ridiculous to me, especially since it flies in the face of the principle that academics drives athletics, but I've long since given up on the notion that the NCAA does anything more than pay lip service to that principle.

Quote from: deiscanton on January 25, 2022, 10:07:42 AM
I don't believe that anyone would question the academic credentials of a grad transfer.

That's only true if they know that he or she is a grad transfer in the first place. Undergraduates who are on their third (or even fourth or fifth) school are more commonplace and have been around as a type on the college athletics scene much longer.

Quote from: WUPHF on January 25, 2022, 02:26:58 PM
I am surely not the only one who enjoys watching the most detail driven posters on the boards quarrel over minor details.  The boards would not be the same without you guys.

I always aim to please. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2022, 04:23:40 PM
I think it gets lost a LOT on the fact the "NCAA" didn't decide anything. Division III as a whole decided to allow more flexibility with grad transfers (DI and maybe DII made changes themselves as well, I believe). DIII felt it was in the best interest of student-athletes wanting to continue their careers as athletes by being able to continue their education first and foremost.

Many seem to forget a lot of DIII institutions do not have graduate programs or at least ones that interest their student-athletes. I know schools like Transylvania don't have any graduate student-athletes because ... there are no graduate programs for their students to even stay and participate it.

Considering many student-athletes are actually student-minded first and foremost, they may very likely graduated in three or four years leaving a year or two of eligibility on the table. Instead of them being left in the lurch when a graduate program at their alma mater is not possible, DIII felt it okay to allow those student-athletes to transfer to another school albeit they were accepted into a graduate program and obviously their academic standards were still high enough (you still need a GPA minimum to qualify not only by DIII standards, but each institution if that GPA is higher).

And allowing them to come from other divisions has always been something DIII has allowed without sitting, so the idea has been extended a bit. I believe at the DI level, if I have it right, they are allowing graduate students to transfer without sitting a year as well because, simply, the student-athletes have lived up to their side of the bargain by completing their degree at an institution, so DI (and other divisions) don't feel it makes sense to "punish" a student-athlete who has graduated with a degree ... by making them sit as they try to CONTINUE their education.

I am sure there will be some who try and take advantage of the system as we see in ALL circumstances, but on the face of it I think what DIII is allowing actually celebrates the student-athlete more than anyone actually realizes. They can't participate if they haven't graduated and don't have eligibility left. Sure, COVID is adding a bit of a wrinkle to things, but some institutions aren't cheap and these students are still academically focused to get their degrees done and then go and tackle more education. That should be celebrated.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 25, 2022, 11:52:28 PM
I'm not arguing against the idea of graduate students continuing their athletic participation at a school other than the school from which they graduated, Dave. On the contrary, I fully support it. I'm arguing against the terminology used to describe such student-athletes, plain and simple.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 07:00:54 AM
As of this morning, UAA games for this weekend are still on schedule.

Spectator policies for this weekend's UAA basketball games--

Spectators are allowed to attend games in person this weekend at Horsburgh Gym at Case Western Reserve and at the Palestra in Rochester.  Spectators must be fully vaccinated (including a booster if eligible), must wear masks at all times inside Horsburgh Gym, and maintain adequate social distance whenever possible.

No spectators allowed this weekend for games at Emory and at Carnegie Mellon.

(5 PM Eastern-- Jan. 28 update-- Yesterday, Rochester announced that in-person spectators are welcome this weekend for the NYU and Brandeis games.  All spectators must wear a surgical mask, a KN95 mask, or an N95 respirator inside the Palestra at all times.)

Rochester spectator update:  uofrathletics.com/news/2022/01/27/general-spectators-welcome-in-palestra-for-friday-sunday-basketball.aspx (http://uofrathletics.com/news/2022/01/27/general-spectators-welcome-in-palestra-for-friday-sunday-basketball.aspx)

Scheduled games-- Friday, January 28, 2022

All games scheduled to tip at 5:30 PM Eastern

1.)  (RV) Brandeis at (#24) Emory
2.)  NYU at Rochester
3.) (#3) Wash U at Carnegie Mellon
4.)  Chicago at (RV) Case Western Reserve

Scheduled games-- Sunday, January 30, 2022

1.) (RV) Brandeis at Rochester-- 11 AM Eastern
2.)  NYU at (#24) Emory-- Noon Eastern
3.) (#3) Wash U at (RV) Case Western Reserve-- Noon Eastern
4.)  Chicago at Carnegie Mellon-- Noon Eastern

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 10:39:07 AM
We have a makeup date for the postponed UAA men's basketball game between Brandeis and NYU at Auerbach Arena in Waltham, MA, it is now scheduled for Sunday, February 27, 2022, at 1 PM Eastern.

To accomodate this makeup date, the Brandeis men's basketball game at NYU will now be played on Friday, February 25, 2022 at 6 PM Eastern at the Brooklyn Athletic Facility.  This game was originally supposed to be played in Brooklyn Heights, NY at St. Francis College on Saturday, February 26 at 1 PM Eastern.

Update now reflected on the UAA Men's Basketball Schedule:  uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule (http://uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule)

The Brandeis at NYU women's basketball game will be played at "the Pope" at St. Francis College in Brooklyn Heights, NY on Saturday, Februrary 26, 2022, as scheduled.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 02:55:50 PM
I just want to inform readers of this forum that while I will be on to watch UAA basketball games tonight, my ability to watch games on Sunday will depend on whether or not I have power in my apartment at game time Sunday morning.

A blizzard warning is in effect for all of Eastern Massachusetts and all of Rhode Island starting at midnight tonight, and is expected to last until 5 AM Eastern time Sunday morning for the immediate Massachusetts coast.  Wind gusts up to 60 mph in my area are expected.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2022, 03:04:52 PM
Best of luck to you and hope you are safe this weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 05:06:27 PM
Yesterday, Rochester announced that spectators are welcome for this weekend's UAA home games at the Palestra vs NYU and Brandeis.  All spectators must wear a surgical mask, a KN95 mask, or an N95 respirator inside the Palestra at all times.

uofrathletics.com/news/2022/01/27/general-spectators-welcome-in-palestra-for-friday-sunday-basketball.aspx (http://uofrathletics.com/news/2022/01/27/general-spectators-welcome-in-palestra-for-friday-sunday-basketball.aspx)

The live videostream is still free this weekend for fans who are not able to attend the games at the Palestra in person.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 05:52:13 PM
Live videostream of Emory vs Brandeis is working, but the live stats are down at the moment.

Emory 24, Brandeis 17  10 min left in first half
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 05:54:38 PM
Other scores around the UAA--

Carnegie Mellon 25, Wash U 15  6:16 left in first half

Chicago 30, Case Western Reserve 29  3:43 left in first half

NYU 26, Rochester 25  3:47 left in first half
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 05:59:32 PM
Actually, Chris Mooneyham, Emory is having trouble with the live stats.

Rochester's live stats are working.  They just use the Sidearm Stats system, which is different from the main live stats system that the rest of the UAA uses.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 06:03:11 PM
Halftime at Horsburgh Gym in Cleveland--

Case Western Reserve 34, Chicago 33

Zach Munson with a game high 13 points to lead the Maroons.

Griffin Kornaker and Luke Gensler leading CWRU with 5 points a piece.

Halftime at the Palestra in Rochester, NY--

Rochester 30, NYU 28

Matt Wiele with a game high 12 points to lead Rochester.

Jacob Sussman leading NYU with 7 points
'
Bobby Hawkinson with 6 points and 9 rebounds for NYU in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 06:08:37 PM
Halftime at Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh--

Carnegie Mellon 31, Wash U 24

Halftime in Atlanta--

Emory 44, Brandeis 37

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 06:17:17 PM
Halftime stats from Pittsburgh--

Carnegie Mellon 31, Wash U 24

Leading scorers for Carnegie Mellon

R.J. Holmes with a game high 8 points and 6 rebounds

Jack Stone with 6 points

Josh Berry and Sean Oberman with 5 points a piece

Sean Oberman and Kevin Sax with 2 assists a piece

Leading scorers for Wash U

Drake Kindsvater and Jack Nolan with 7 points a piece

Hayden Doyle with 6 points

Hayden Doyle and Charlie Jacob with 3 rebounds a piece

No assists in the half for Wash U

Carnegie Mellon shot 10 of 28 from the field (35.7%), 3 of 11 from 3 pt land (27.3%), and 8 of 11 from the FT line (72.7%)

Wash U shot 10 of 33 from the field (30.3%), 0 of 10 from 3 pt land, and 4 of 5 from the charity stripe (80%)

Carnegie Mellon outrebounded Wash U 24-18, 4-3 on the offensive glass

Carnegie Mellon made 6 assists and committed 10 turnovers-- 5 of which were as a result of Wash U steals

Wash U made 0 assists and committed 8 turnovers-- 2 of which were as a result of Carnegie Mellon steals

Points off turnovers-- Wash U leads, 6-4

Points in the paint-- Wash U leads, 16-14

Second chance points-- Carnegie Mellon leads, 8-2

Bench points-- Carnegie Mellon leads, 9-7

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 06:36:09 PM
9:42 remaining in regulation in Cleveland--

Case Western Reserve 60, Chicago 52

10 minutes remaining at the Palestra in Rochester--

NYU 46, Rochester 40

11:49 remaining at Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh--

Carnegie Mellon 46, Wash U 35

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 06:37:15 PM
12:40 left in regulation in Atlanta--

Emory 62, Brandeis 46
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 06:43:32 PM
10 min left in regulation in Atlanta--

Emory 65, Brandeis 53

Live stats still down in Atlanta
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 06:45:52 PM
7 min left in regulation in Pittsburgh--

Carnegie Mellon 48, Wash U 44
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 06:48:57 PM
5:24 left at Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh--

Carnegie Mellon 50, Wash U 48
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 06:51:24 PM
3:54 left in regulation in Pittsburgh--

Carnegie Mellon 52, Wash U 51
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 06:52:35 PM
Final from Horsburgh Gym in Cleveland--

Case Western Reserve 84, Chicago 66

CWRU improves to 14-2, 4-1 in the UAA

Chicago drops to 6-10, 1-4 in the UAA

Zach Munson with a game high 20 points and 10 rebounds for Chicago

Cole Frilling led CWRU with 17 points.

  January 28,2022 Chicago at Case Western Reserve men's boxscore  (http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2021-22/boxscores/20220128_tzhz.xml?view=boxscore)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 06:55:44 PM
At 3:33 left in Pittsburgh, Wash U took a 1 point lead at 53-52, but Carnegie Mellon responded with a layup to take a 1 point lead at 54-53 with 3:05 remaining.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 06:58:58 PM
End of regulation at the Palestra in Rochester, NY

NYU 63, Rochester 63

Heading to overtime

Bobby Hawkinson with 22 points and 21 rebounds so far for NYU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 07:01:51 PM
With 38 seconds remaining in Pittsburgh, Wash U again takes a 57-56 lead.

Collin Sawyer of Brandeis has just hit the 200th 3 pointer of his career.  Congratulations!

Game tied at 57-57 between Wash U and Carnegie Mellon at Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh with 32 seconds left in regulation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 07:04:30 PM
Carnegie Mellon has just turned the ball over with 5 seconds left.

Game still tied at 57, now Wash U ball.

End of regulation in Pittsburgh-- Wash U 57, Carnegie Mellon 57

Heading to overtime.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 07:09:26 PM
Final from the Woodruff PEC in Atlanta--

Emory 83, Brandeis 75

Emory improves to 12-4, 5-1 in the UAA

Brandeis drops to 8-4, 1-2 in the UAA

Matthew Schner led Emory with 31 points

Collin Sawyer scored 26 points for Brandeis and made 3 3 pointers, the second of which was his 200th college 3 pointer of his career.

  January 28, 2022 Emory vs Brandeis men's boxscore  (http://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/boxscores/20220128_gjun.xml?view=boxscore)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 07:16:46 PM
Final from the Palestra in Rochester, NY--

Rochester 74, NYU 70 (OT)

Rochester improves to 11-5, 3-3 in the UAA

NYU drops to 9-6, 0-5 in the UAA

Bobby Hawkinson finishes with a game high 26 points and 22 rebounds for NYU.

4 Rochester players in double figures, led by Matt Wiele Ross Gang with 18 points.  Matt Wiele scored 14 points, Dan Masino scored 13 points, and Brian Amabilino Perez with 11 points.

  January 28, 2022 Rochester vs NYU men's boxscore  (http://uofrathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/stats/2021-22/new-york-university/boxscore/19164)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 07:35:30 PM
Final from Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh

Carnegie Mellon 71, #3 Wash U 68

Carnegie Mellon improves to 9-6, 2-3 in the UAA

Wash U drops to 14-2, 4-1 in the UAA

Emory now in sole possession of first place in the UAA by percentage points. (Emory at 5-1 (.833) vs Wash U at 4-1 (.800))

Wash U and Case Western Reserve now in a tie for second place in the UAA, with Rochester in 4th place at 3-3 in the UAA.

Carnegie Mellon now in 5th place at 2-3 in the UAA, while Brandeis is in 6th place at 1-2 in the UAA.

Chicago in 7th place at 1-4 in the UAA, while NYU is in last place at 0-5 in the UAA.

Leading scorers for Carnegie Mellon--

R.J. Holmes with 20 points, 8 rebounds

Jack Stone with 14 points, 6 rebounds

Sean Oberman with 12 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists

Kevin Sax also had 3 assists for the Tartans.

Leading scorers for Wash U--

Jack Nolan with 22 points, 5 rebounds

Hayden Doyle with 17 points, 5 rebounds

Drake Kindsvater and Charlie Jacob with 10 points and 5 rebounds each.

Carnegie Mellon shot 25 of 56 from the field (44.6%), 4 of 18 from 3 pt land (22.2%), and 17 of 22 from the FT line (77.3%)

Wash U shot 25 of 69 from the field (36.2%), 4 of 25 from 3 pt land (16%), and 14 of 17 from the FT line (82.4%)

Carnegie Mellon outrebounded Wash U 42-36, but Wash U outrebounded Carnegie Mellon 7-5 on the offensive glass

Carnegie Mellon made 9 assists and committed 21 turnovers-- 12 of which were as a result of Wash U steals

Wash U made 4 assists and committed 15 turnovers-- 6 of which were as a result of Carnegie Mellon steals

Points off turnovers-- Wash U won that category, 14-9

Points in the paint-- Carnegie Mellon won that category, 38-36

Second chance points-- Wash U won that category, 10-8

Bench points-- Carnegie Mellon won that category, 21-14

Carnegie Mellon blocked 2 Wash U shots, while Wash U blocked 1 Carnegie Mellon shot.

January 28, 2022 Carnegie Mellon vs Wash U men's basketball boxscore  (http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/mbkb/2021-22/boxscores/20220128_4zo2.xml?view=boxscore)





Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 29, 2022, 10:15:56 PM
 Well, my town did get a lot of snow, but at least the power did not go out during the height of it.

In Massachusetts during the day, there were up to 120,000 customers statewide that lost power, but the power outages were mostly concentrated from the eastern Plymouth County communities directly touching the shoreline and the Plymouth, MA area down to most of Cape Cod, Martha's Vineyard, and Nantucket.  Just some very isolated outages up here in the immediate Boston area-- mostly concentrated in communities touching the immediate Massachusetts coastline.  South Coast MA also has some power outages, too.  Very few outages in my county (Norfolk County).

Assuming the power stays on overnight, I should be able to cover the UAA basketball games tomorrow.

(4:05 AM Eastern Sunday, January 30, 2022 update-- I will be able to watch Brandeis at Rochester, Wash U at CWRU in a battle for 2nd place in the UAA (unless NYU defeats Emory today), and the rest of today's action while the cleanup from the storm gets underway.)

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 30, 2022, 11:46:23 AM
Halftime at the Palestra in Rochester, NY--

Rochester 32, Brandeis 27

Brandeis led 18-8 after the first 10 min of the half, but Rochester outscored Brandeis 24-9 in the second 10 minutes.

Leading scorers for Rochester--

Andrew Jackson-- 11 points

Dan Masino and Ross Gang with 4 points each

Matt Niemczura leading Rochester with 3 rebounds

Ross Gang leading Rochester with 4 assists

Leading scorers for Brandeis--

Dylan Lien-- 10 points

Tommy Eastman-- 8 points, 6 rebounds

Collin Sawyer-- 4 points

4 Brandeis players with 1 assist each

Rochester shot 11 of 23 from the field (47.8%), 2-4 from 3 pt land (50%), and 8-12 from the charity stripe (66.7%)

Brandeis shot 9-25 from the field (36%), 3-10 from 3 pt land, and 6-8 from the charity stripe (75%)

Rochester outrebounded Brandeis 16-15, but Brandeis outrebounded Rochester 5-4 on the offensive glass

Rochester made 8 assists and committed 6 turnovers-- 4 of which were as a result of Brandeis steals

Brandeis made 4 assists and committed 7 turnovers-- 5 of which were as a result of Rochester steals

Points off turnovers-- Rochester leads, 11-7

Points in the paint-- Rochester leads, 18-6

Second chance points-- Rochester leads, 5-2

Bench points-- Rochester leads, 20-4



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 30, 2022, 12:12:32 PM
Rochester 47, Brandeis 43  9:51 left in regulation

Andrew Jackson with a game and career high 15 points to lead UR so far.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 30, 2022, 12:30:29 PM
Rochester 57, Brandeis 57  2:07 left in regulation

Brandeis ball coming out of the timeout.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 30, 2022, 12:35:52 PM
Brandeis 63, Rochester 59  27.1 seconds left in regulation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 30, 2022, 12:44:29 PM
Final from the Palestra in Rochester, NY--

Brandeis 66, Rochester 61

Brandeis improves to 9-4, 2-2 in the UAA

Rochester drops to 11-6, 3-4 in the UAA

Brandeis and Rochester will play again next Sunday at Auerbach Arena in Waltham, MA.  On Friday, Rochester is at NYU, while
Brandeis hosts Emory at Auerbach Arena.

Leading scorers for Brandeis--

Dylan Lien with a game high 16 points

Collin Sawyer-- 14 points

Tommy Eastman with a double double of 14 points and 10 rebounds.  Eastman also had 3 assists to lead Brandeis in that category.

Nolan Haggerty-- 12 points

Chandler Jones also had 10 rebounds to co-lead Brandeis in that category.

Leading scorers for Rochester

Andrew Jackson-- career high 15 points

Trent Noordsij-- 13 points, 6 rebounds

Ross Gang-- 10 points, 6 rebounds, 6 assists

Dan Masino-- 7 points

Brandeis shot 20-49 from the field (40.8%), 7-19 from 3 pt land (36.8%), and 19-25 from the charity stripe (76%)

Rochester shot 23-55 from the field (41.8%), 4-12 from 3 pt land (33.3%), and 11-15 from the charity stripe (73.3%)

Rochester outrebounded Brandeis 35-32, 13-11 on the offensive glass

Brandeis made 8 assists and committed 14 turnovers-- 11 of which were as a result of Rochester steals

Rochester made 14 assists and committed 16 turnovers-- 9 of which were as a result of Brandeis steals

Brandeis blocked 6 Rochester shots, while Rochester blocked 4 Brandeis shots.

Points off turnovers-- Brandeis won that category, 21-15

Points in the paint-- Rochester won that category, 38-20

Second chance points-- Brandeis won that category, 10-9

Bench points-- Rochester won that category, 26-18

January 30, 2022 Rochester vs Brandeis men's basketball boxscore  (http://uofrathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/stats/2021-22/brandeis-university/boxscore/19165)





Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 30, 2022, 12:46:50 PM
Halftime scores in the Noon Eastern tip off games--

In Atlanta, Emory 57, NYU 36

In Cleveland, Case Western Reserve 39, Wash U 32

In Pittsburgh, Carnegie Mellon 34, Chicago 29
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 30, 2022, 01:03:41 PM
Second half in Horsburgh Gym in Cleveland--

Case Western Reserve 46, Wash U 38  14:02 left in regulation

Cole Frilling with a game high 11 points to lead CWRU, while Brian Hines has 10 points for the Spartans.

Hayden Doyle and Jack Nolan leading Wash U with 8 points a piece.



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 30, 2022, 01:30:35 PM
At Horsburgh Gym in Cleveland--

Case Western Reserve 65, Wash U 60  3:34 left in regulation

At WoodPEC in Atlanta--

Emory 101, NYU 76 3:09 left in regulation

At Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh--

Carnegie Mellon 60, Chicago 54 1:14 left in regulation
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 30, 2022, 01:40:13 PM
CWRU 73, Wash U 70 7.4 seconds left

CWRU ball coming out of a 30 second timeout.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 30, 2022, 01:46:13 PM
Final from Horsburgh Gym in Cleveland, Ohio--

Case Western Reserve 75, Wash U 70  (Biggest win in CWRU men's basketball history so far-- according to the CWRU commentators).

CWRU improves to 15-2, 5-1 in the UAA-- sole possession of 2nd place in the UAA going into the turn.

Wash U drops to 14-3, 4-2 in the UAA-- third place in the UAA going into the turn.

January 30, 2022 Case Western Reserve vs Wash U men's basketball box score (http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2021-22/boxscores/20220130_p55e.xml?view=boxscore)



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 30, 2022, 01:51:46 PM
Final from the WOODPEC in Atlanta--

Emory 104, NYU 82

Emory improves to 13-4, 6-1 in the UAA-- sole possession of first place in the UAA going into the turn.

NYU drops to 9-7, 0-6 in the UAA.

Bobby Hawkinson with a 32 point 11 rebound performance for NYU.

Matthew Schnerr with 22 points and Nick Stuck with 20 points for Emory.

January 30, 2022 Emory vs NYU men's basketball final boxscore  (http://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/boxscores/20220130_wge4.xml?view=boxscore)

Final from Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh--

Carnegie Mellon 65, Chicago 57

Carnegie Mellon improves to 10-6, 3-3 in the UAA-- fourth place tie with Brandeis in the standings

Chicago drops to 6-11, 1-5 in the UAA-- seventh place going into the turn.

R.J. Holmes with a game high 21 points for the Tartans

Zach Munson with 17 points to lead Chicago.

  January 30, 2022 Carnegie Mellon vs Chicago men's final boxscore  (http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/mbkb/2021-22/boxscores/20220130_fv55.xml?view=boxscore)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 30, 2022, 02:22:17 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 30, 2022, 01:46:13 PM
CWRU improves to 15-2, 5-1 in the UAA-- sole possession of 2nd place in the UAA going into the turn.

The Spartans are tied for first in the UAA.

If the season ended today, they would be be awarded a share of the championship for the first time in program history.

Nolan played through an obvious ankle injury which clearly affected his game.  Bears fans have to hope he is back in full health next weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 30, 2022, 05:15:34 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 30, 2022, 02:22:17 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 30, 2022, 01:46:13 PM
CWRU improves to 15-2, 5-1 in the UAA-- sole possession of 2nd place in the UAA going into the turn.

The Spartans are tied for first in the UAA.

If the season ended today, they would be be awarded a share of the championship for the first time in program history.

Nolan played through an obvious ankle injury which clearly affected his game.  Bears fans have to hope he is back in full health next weekend.

If I understand the UAA Basketball Code of Conduct correctly, Emory is ahead by percentage points over CWRU with an .857 win-loss percentage (6-1) vs Case Western Reserve's .833 in win-loss percentage.  (5-1).  The champion is determined by the best win-loss percentage against UAA teams scheduled to compete in a double round robin.

Unless you are assuming that CWRU cannot make up the postponed game at Brandeis-- therefore, it would be a no-contest (not a Brandeis forfeit) and the Emory January result vs Brandeis would not be used to give Emory the first place advantage over Case Western Reserve for purposes of a championship vs a co-championship.

Here is the CWRU game recap:   Spartans Upset #3 WashU 75-70; Take Sole Possession of Second in UAA  (http://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20220130q34w9d)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 30, 2022, 05:36:15 PM
If we go by the letter of the law that is the code of conduct, then assuming we ended the season today, the standings would be as follows, yes?

Emory 6-1 (co-champion)
Rochester 3-4 (co-champion)

Case Western Reserve ineligble
Washington University ineligble
Carnegie Mellon ineligble
Rochester ineligble
Chicago ineligble
NYU ineligble

I ask that as a hastily written rhetorical question to illustrate a point.  The league is going to need a better policy so as not to penalize a team that cannot make up a game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 30, 2022, 05:44:22 PM
Well, the Case Western Reserve press release says that the Spartans are in sole possession of second, so I am wrong.  But I don't see how they are in second until they are on track to play all league games.  If you have to complete a full schedule to be eligible for the championship, how would you have any standing whatsoever?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2022, 05:49:33 PM
... very likely some allowances are going to be made (or have been behind the scenes).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 30, 2022, 05:54:06 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2022, 05:49:33 PM
... very likely some allowances are going to be made (or have been behind the scenes).

I would bet good money that this is true.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on January 30, 2022, 07:58:05 PM
CWRU just upset #3 Washington U.

Arguably the greatest victory in program history.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 31, 2022, 12:00:57 AM
In my opinion, if the UAA basketball games that were initially declared postponed eventually end up being cancelled, the UAA will determine its champion by win-loss percentage, just like it is today.  We would be in a scenario similar to that of the 1987-88 season, the first year of the UAA's existence.   Of course, no AQ was on the line back in 1987-88, as the AQ system in DIII basketball as we know it did not get its start until the late 1990s, if I recall correctly.

1987-88 Men's Basketball Standings--

Team champion:  Wash U

Player of the Year:  Kevin Suiter, Wash U

Coaching Staff of the Year:  Mark Edwards, Pete Manuel, Dennis Kruse, Rick Shelton, Paul Jansen-- Wash U

1.)  Wash U  9-1 in UAA (.900)  22-6 overall
2.)  Brandeis  4-2 in UAA (.667)  13-13 overall
3.)  Rochester 5-3 in UAA (.625)  18-9 overall
4.)  NYU  6-5 in UAA (.545)  15-11 overall
5.)  Emory  6-7 in UAA (.462) 15-11 overall
6.)  Carnegie Mellon  2-3 in UAA (.400) 9-12 overall
7.)  Case Western Reserve 2-5 in UAA (.286)  3-21 overall
8.)  Chicago  1-8 in UAA (.111)  6-15 overall

Johns Hopkins was not eligible for the UAA title-- JHU went 0-1 in the UAA and finished 12-12 overall.

uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/MBasketball.pdf (http://uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/MBasketball.pdf)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 31, 2022, 12:24:32 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 31, 2022, 12:00:57 AM
In my opinion, if the UAA basketball games that were initially declared postponed eventually end up being cancelled, the UAA will determine its champion by win-loss percentage, just like it is today. 

I disagree with it, though I guess I can see it.

As a conference, you would certainly want to avoid the possibility that a coach would be perceived as having dodged a game to avoid a potential loss.

By the way, the only evidence I know of that Case Western Reserve is down a game from Emory is the Spartans presser.  It may well exist elsewhere, but I would need to see more to see that as the case as of today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 31, 2022, 04:18:57 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 31, 2022, 12:24:32 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 31, 2022, 12:00:57 AM
In my opinion, if the UAA basketball games that were initially declared postponed eventually end up being cancelled, the UAA will determine its champion by win-loss percentage, just like it is today. 

I disagree with it, though I guess I can see it.

As a conference, you would certainly want to avoid the possibility that a coach would be perceived as having dodged a game to avoid a potential loss.

By the way, the only evidence I know of that Case Western Reserve is down a game from Emory is the Spartans presser.  It may well exist elsewhere, but I would need to see more to see that as the case as of today.

Which is why the athletic directors are in charge of the UAA scheduling of the sports teams, not the coaches.   A UAA game cannot be declared cancelled without mutual consent of the athletic directors of all of the competing UAA institutions.  If the athletic directors cannot come to a mutual agreement on rescheduling or cancelling a particular UAA game, the matter gets referred to the UAA Voting Delegates, which are the Vice Presidents of Student Affairs of each competing UAA institution.  If neither the athletic directors at the first stage, nor the UAA Voting Delegates at the second stage can come to an agreement as to rescheduling or cancellation, the matter gets referred to the UAA Executive Officers Committee, which has the final say.

Under the UAA COVID 19 Cancellation and Forfeit Policy, every effort shall be made to reschedule a postponed UAA contest at an appropriate time in the season.   When considering whether or not to reschedule a game, due consideration shall be given to the effect of not rescheduling on the potential selection of either team or any other Association teams to post-season play whether through automatic qualification or at-large selection.

A contest declared cancelled due to COVID-19 circumstances shall be declared a "no contest" and shall be treated as such in the UAA standings.

UAA COVID Cancellation and Forfeit Policy adopted August 18, 2021  (http://uaasports.info/information/forms/UAA_COVID_Cancellation_and_Forfeit_Policy.pdf)

The determination of an Association Champion is determined by Section 2 of the UAA Basketball Code of Conduct, and it states that the placement of the order of teams in the UAA standings competing in a full schedule of UAA basketball shall be by win/loss percentage against UAA opponents.  Any teams not eligible for the UAA Championship must be specifically noted as such in the standings.

UAA Basketball Code of Conduct for 2021-22 season  (http://uaasports.info/information/Basketball.pdf)







Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 31, 2022, 06:16:49 AM
On another note, unless I hear otherwise, I am assuming that both Wash U and Chicago have agreed that the January 8 game initially scheduled to be played at Chicago is now a cancelled game or a "No contest" due to COVID-19 protocols and will not be made up.  The reason why I am making this assumption is that the initial entry of that game of January 8, 2022 is no longer listed on the UAA, Wash U or Chicago men's basketball schedules.  If it were just postponed, there would be an entry on all of these schedules saying that the game of January 8, 2022 is postponed to a future date to be determined.

Also, the NYU men's basketball schedule is yet to be updated with the change made on Friday morning, January 28, 2022 that both the Brandeis men's basketball schedule and the UAA men's basketball schedule reflect regarding a makeup of the January 8 game between Brandeis and NYU on Sunday, February 27, 2022, and the ensuing change to date, time, and place of the game at NYU initially scheduled for Saturday, Feb. 26, 2022 at St. Francis College in Brooklyn, but would now be played a night earlier on Friday, Feb. 25 at the Brooklyn Athletic Facility in order to accomodate the makeup game at Brandeis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 31, 2022, 08:34:19 AM
Top 5 scorers in UAA play through games played on January 30, 2022

1.)  Jack Nolan-- Wash U-- 24.5 PPG
2.)  Bobby Hawkinson-- NYU-- 22.0 PPG
3.)  Matthew Schner-- Emory-- 21.6 PPG
4.)  R.J. Holmes-- Carnegie Mellon-- 18.2 PPG
5.)  Mitch Prendergast-- Case Western Reserve-- 17.0 PPG

Top 5 rebounders (and ties) in UAA play through games played on January 30, 2022--

1.)  Bobby Hawkinson-- NYU-- 13.3 RPG
2.)  R. J. Holmes-- Carnegie Mellon-- 9.5 RPG
3.)  Chandler Jones-- Brandeis-- 7.0 RPG
T-4.)  Cole Frilling-- Case Western Reserve-- 6.8 RPG (6 UAA games played)
T-4.)  Zach Munson-- Chicago-- 6.8 RPG (6 UAA games played)
T-4.)  Justin Hardy-- Wash U-- 6.8 RPG (5 UAA games played)

Top 5 "dime droppers" in UAA play through games played on January 30, 2022--

1.)  Nick Stuck, Emory-- 6.3 APG
2.)  Griffin Kornaker, Case Western Reserve-- 4.7 APG
3.)  Hayden Doyle, Wash U-- 3.5 APG
4.)  Ross Gang, Rochester-- 3.4 APG
5.)  Bobby Hawkinson-- NYU-- 3.3 APG

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 31, 2022, 10:08:17 AM
The determination of an Association Champion is determined by Section 2 of the UAA Basketball Code of Conduct, and it states that the placement of the order of teams in the UAA standings competing in a full schedule of UAA basketball shall be by win/loss percentage against UAA opponents.  Any teams not eligible for the UAA Championship must be specifically noted as such in the standings.

UAA Basketball Code of Conduct for 2021-22 season  (http://uaasports.info/information/Basketball.pdf)

__________________

This is why I say we have two teams in the standings and the rest are ineligible until they have demonstrated that they can complete a full schedule.

Especially for Case Western Reserve as they have to make up a game with a team that has three games to make-up.

I am not sure by the way that we should assume a game has been cancelled after being removed from the schedule.  I would have assumed that the game would have remained and been marked cancelled as it had last season.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 31, 2022, 10:37:19 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 31, 2022, 10:08:17 AM
The determination of an Association Champion is determined by Section 2 of the UAA Basketball Code of Conduct, and it states that the placement of the order of teams in the UAA standings competing in a full schedule of UAA basketball shall be by win/loss percentage against UAA opponents.  Any teams not eligible for the UAA Championship must be specifically noted as such in the standings.

UAA Basketball Code of Conduct for 2021-22 season  (http://uaasports.info/information/Basketball.pdf)

__________________

This is why I say we have two teams in the standings and the rest are ineligible until they have demonstrated that they can complete a full schedule.

Especially for Case Western Reserve as they have to make up a game with a team that has three games to make-up.

I am not sure by the way that we should assume a game has been cancelled after being removed from the schedule.  I would have assumed that the game would have remained and been marked cancelled as it had last season.

Are you willing to pay for the extra charter flights and hotel space in Waltham, MA for the CWRU and Carnegie Mellon men's basketball teams for midweek Wednesday night games at the Auerbach Arena just to make sure these games get made up, WUPHF?  This is not Division I.  I would have also assumed that we would have had a makeup date and time for the Wash U at Chicago game as well by now.  (-k)

(Note:  I am not smiting you just because I disagree with you on your opinion.   The problem is that Dave McHugh explicitly pointed out some weeks back that neither Carnegie Mellon nor CWRU are just 2 hour bus rides away from Brandeis like schools in other DIII conferences with a narrower footprint.  Just the same, I would like a final decision on these games, soon, and I just got frustrated with your last post.  Nothing personal.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 31, 2022, 11:16:46 AM
+1 for being the first d3boards.com member ever to publicly admit to smiting another poster.

I think there is some confusion.

I have nothing but sympathy for Brandeis.  Especially the players. 

I would not fault Brandeis for being unable to make up any games.  Not only because of the financial constraints, but also for academic concerns.

I would be shocked if Brandeis makes up more than one.  I do hope they are able to for the sake of the players, but if they do, I think they prioritize the travel team and the final weekend.

My point was that Case Western Reserve may be less likely to make up the Brandeis game given the fact that the Judges have three to make up.

I feel confident that Emory and Case Western Reserve will lose more games before the end of the regular season, but if the Eagles win the league with the same number of losses, but a better winning percentage...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2022, 11:30:36 AM
I feel confident in saying this ... Brandeis isn't making up most if not all of the games they lost in the conference. The NYU game maybe, but none of the rest.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on January 31, 2022, 11:49:51 AM
I agree.

It's highly unlikely that Brandeis will make up all of its cancelled games.

I'm pretty sure that there won't be a huge fight if the UAA declares its champion based on overall winning percentage, even if the number of games played isn't equal.

In the end, isn't UAA a multi-bid league anyway?

I doubt this will be a contentious issue.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue_jays on January 31, 2022, 11:58:16 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 31, 2022, 06:16:49 AM
On another note, unless I hear otherwise, I am assuming that both Wash U and Chicago have agreed that the January 8 game initially scheduled to be played at Chicago is now a cancelled game or a "No contest" due to COVID-19 protocols and will not be made up.  The reason why I am making this assumption is that the initial entry of that game of January 8, 2022 is no longer listed on the UAA, Wash U or Chicago men's basketball schedules.  If it were just postponed, there would be an entry on all of these schedules saying that the game of January 8, 2022 is postponed to a future date to be determined.

Also, the NYU men's basketball schedule is yet to be updated with the change made on Friday morning, January 28, 2022 that both the Brandeis men's basketball schedule and the UAA men's basketball schedule reflect regarding a makeup of the January 8 game between Brandeis and NYU on Sunday, February 27, 2022, and the ensuing change to date, time, and place of the game at NYU initially scheduled for Saturday, Feb. 26, 2022 at St. Francis College in Brooklyn, but would now be played a night earlier on Friday, Feb. 25 at the Brooklyn Athletic Facility in order to accomodate the makeup game at Brandeis.

The WashU at UChicago game is definitely going to be made up, they just haven't finalized the date yet therefore it is not on their schedules. 99.999% it will be played the last week so that they play each other twice that week. They're putting off announcing the reschedule because they need to see if any of their other games get nixed and adjust from there.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2022, 12:28:37 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on January 31, 2022, 11:49:51 AM
I agree.

It's highly unlikely that Brandeis will make up all of its cancelled games.

I'm pretty sure that there won't be a huge fight if the UAA declares its champion based on overall winning percentage, even if the number of games played isn't equal.

In the end, isn't UAA a multi-bid league anyway?

I doubt this will be a contentious issue.

Yes, the UAA would be a multi-bid league and being that it sits in multi regions, determining who gets the AQ could be important. It could be the difference between a team in one region sitting behind others ahead of them for at-large bids ... or being automatically in the tourney and not worrying about it. It actually could impact in a way how many bids the league gets.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 31, 2022, 12:31:05 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 31, 2022, 11:16:46 AM
+1 for being the first d3boards.com member ever to publicly admit to smiting another poster.

I recall that a while back you publicly stated that you were smiting me over something.

I don't applaud or smite, but I actually considered applauding you back then for the same reason that you just applauded Allen. :D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 31, 2022, 12:58:37 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 31, 2022, 12:31:05 PM
I recall that a while back you publicly stated that you were smiting me over something.

+1 Oh my God, I completely forgot about that, but that is true.  I am not sure if I hit the button or not, but if I did, I thought I made it clear that was in jest which maybe makes it better, lol.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 31, 2022, 01:01:17 PM
By the way, I just hit 107 on the smite-o-meter which means I officially picked up 40 smites since the start of basketball season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 31, 2022, 01:02:50 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2022, 12:28:37 PM
Yes, the UAA would be a multi-bid league and being that it sits in multi regions, determining who gets the AQ could be important. It could be the difference between a team in one region sitting behind others ahead of them for at-large bids ... or being automatically in the tourney and not worrying about it. It actually could impact in a way how many bids the league gets.

That is really interesting and not something I had thought of.

I think I am more convinced that you are right about revised policies coming from the UAA, but we shall see.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 31, 2022, 01:05:04 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 31, 2022, 01:01:17 PM
By the way, I just hit 107 on the smite-o-meter which means I officially picked up 40 smites since the start of basketball season.

If I've learned one thing over the past two years, it's that pandemics bring out the grouch in people.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 31, 2022, 01:10:33 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 31, 2022, 01:02:50 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2022, 12:28:37 PM
Yes, the UAA would be a multi-bid league and being that it sits in multi regions, determining who gets the AQ could be important. It could be the difference between a team in one region sitting behind others ahead of them for at-large bids ... or being automatically in the tourney and not worrying about it. It actually could impact in a way how many bids the league gets.

That is really interesting and not something I had thought of.

It's fascinating to think about the Covid policy of one lone school that probably won't make the tournament spreading out like ripples in a pond to affect the tournament's selection process and bracket seeding. It's an ironic twist; Brandeis tries not to spread the disease, and in doing so spreads unforeseen alterations-by-cancellation throughout the national Pool C process.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2022, 03:46:11 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 31, 2022, 01:10:33 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 31, 2022, 01:02:50 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2022, 12:28:37 PM
Yes, the UAA would be a multi-bid league and being that it sits in multi regions, determining who gets the AQ could be important. It could be the difference between a team in one region sitting behind others ahead of them for at-large bids ... or being automatically in the tourney and not worrying about it. It actually could impact in a way how many bids the league gets.

That is really interesting and not something I had thought of.

It's fascinating to think about the Covid policy of one lone school that probably won't make the tournament spreading out like ripples in a pond to affect the tournament's selection process and bracket seeding. It's an ironic twist; Brandeis tries not to spread the disease, and in doing so spreads unforeseen alterations-by-cancellation throughout the national Pool C process.

And if they had spread the virus, than they still would have impacted things as you described as other teams likely called off games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 01, 2022, 05:36:19 PM
Brandeis schedule update--

The non-conference game between Bates and Brandeis in men's basketball that was originally scheduled for January 3, 2022, and then rescheduled to February 16, 2022, is now cancelled and will not be made up.

This schedule change is most likely a result of the NESCAC men's basketball tournament now open to all 11 NESCAC men's basketball teams with the tournament starting on Friday, February 18, 2022 with opening round action.

Schedule:  brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule (http://brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule)

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 01, 2022, 05:46:59 PM
Congratulations to Matthew Schner of Emory and R.J. Holmes of Carnegie Mellon on being selected as UAA Athletes of the Week in men's basketball for games played January 28-30, 2002.

Emory press release:  emoryathletics.com/general/2021-22/releases/20220201e93hfq (http://emoryathletics.com/general/2021-22/releases/20220201e93hfq)

Carnegie Mellon press release:  athletics.cmu.edu/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20220201eu5v96 (http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20220201eu5v96)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 01, 2022, 06:08:08 PM
As I said earlier in the season, RJ Holmes is a complete stud and has run away with the sophomore of the year accolade and a first-team honor.  I think that was obvious in the few games Carnegie Mellon played last year.  He looks like a guy with all-American potential.

As for the race to the UAA championship, the HCAC has announced a policy change whereas they will use a computer ranking to determine the regular season champion and tournament seeding.

At least I think that is what I read today.

The GLVC uses a computer ranking every season so this is not that extraordinary.

I think that might be something for the UAA to consider.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 01, 2022, 06:30:25 PM
Updated Brandeis spectator policy for home events in February:

1.)  All Brandeis students, faculty, and staff on campus are welcome to attend all indoor home athletic events provided that they have a green campus passport.  The green campus passport indicates that they have gotten a negative result on their regularly scheduled and submitted PCR tests.

2.)  Families of athletes and coaches on both home and visiting teams are welcome at Auerbach Arena/Gosman Center provided that they are listed on the guest list of each respective team.   No other external spectators are allowed to attend contests in person.

3.)  All people on the guest list must complete an on-line Brandeis Daily Health Assessment on the day of the contest prior to arrival on the Brandeis campus.

4.)  All people on the guest list are strongly encouraged (but not required) to take a rapid antigen test on the day of the contest and only attend the game if they get a negative result on the antigen test.

5.)  All spectators in Auerbach Arena/Gosman Center must wear surgical, N95, KN95, or KF94 masks in the building at all times.  Cloth masks are not permitted.

This policy is also in effect for home fencing and indoor tennis contests held on the Brandeis campus as well as basketball.

Also, Brandeis has officially announced that the Brandeis men's basketball team will play at NYU on Friday, February 25, at the Brooklyn Athletic Facility and that the NYU men's basketball team will play at Brandeis on Sunday, Feb. 27.   The Brandeis at NYU women's basketball game will be played on Saturday, Feb. 26 at 2 PM at the Daniel Lynch '38 Gymnasium at "the Pope" on the St. Francis College campus in Brooklyn Heights, NY. the Brooklyn Athletic Facility on the NYU Tandon campus as well since the St. Francis Terriers have a home NEC game scheduled vs Merrimack at "the Pope" at the exact same time.

Brandeis winter schedule and policy updates, February 1  (http://brandeisjudges.com/general/2021-22/releases/COVIDScheduleUpdate-1-6)

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 01, 2022, 08:14:20 PM
I think WUSTL will have a similar policy by the weekend based on what I am hearing though I have not heard anything official.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue_jays on February 02, 2022, 07:03:05 PM
As predicted, the WashU at UChicago game has been rescheduled for the last week. Thursday, Feb. 24 at 6 PM.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 02, 2022, 07:58:41 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on February 02, 2022, 07:03:05 PM
As predicted, the WashU at UChicago game has been rescheduled for the last week. Thursday, Feb. 24 at 6 PM.

I see the schedule change for the Wash U at Chicago game posted on the UAA schedule site as well.  (6 PM Central/7 PM Eastern for the Wash U at Chicago game-- UAA schedule lists the start times as times in the Eastern time zone for purposes of people attempting to watch the games on live stream.)

Brandeis has also rescheduled their January 14, 2022 postponed game vs Carnegie Mellon.  That game will no longer be played at Auerbach Arena in Waltham, MA and will now be played at Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh on Wednesday, February 23, 2022 with a scheduled tip of 5 PM Eastern.  (I wonder if Brandeis is bussing to Pittsburgh and back for that game, or whether or not it will be a Tuesday morning and a Wednesday evening flight to and from Logan Airport.)

(2:48 PM Eastern Thursday, Feb. 3, 2022 addendum-- Or it could be a flight or bus to Pittsburgh for the Feb. 23 game, and then a bus Thursday, Feb. 24 from Pittsburgh to New York for Friday's Feb. 25 game at NYU before returning by bus to Waltham, MA for Sunday Feb. 27's 2nd game of the weekend vs NYU.  As long as the travel is set....)

All that remains now is the postponed January 16, 2022 game vs Case Western Reserve, and whether or not that game will be rescheduled, even if Brandeis would have to travel for a second trip to Horsburgh Gym in Cleveland to do it.  Thanks to NESCAC changing the format of their men's basketball tournament, the Wednesday February 16, 2022 date has opened up for that game to be rescheduled for Horsburgh Gym in Cleveland if it has to be played there.  I am not sure that either Wednesday, Feb. 9 or Thursday, Feb. 10 would also potentially be available for a rescheduled second game in Cleveland so that Brandeis could go from Cleveland to Pittsburgh and back to Cleveland.  At least we do not have that dreaded 4 UAA road games in 5 days scenario for the Judges.

Updated UAA men's basketball schedule:  uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule (http://uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 02, 2022, 08:03:31 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on February 02, 2022, 07:03:05 PM
As predicted, the WashU at UChicago game has been rescheduled for the last week. Thursday, Feb. 24 at 6 PM.

I really thought they would adjust both games and do a Friday-Sunday, but this is good too.

WUSTL did announce today that they will allow current faculty, staff and students in the gym.  Families of student athletes as well.  Every school is landing on different policies.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 03, 2022, 04:45:54 PM
Well, according to WUPHF and the updated UAA basketball schedule, it looks like the winter storm affecting St. Louis prevented the Carnegie Mellon basketball teams from flying in to Lambert Airport today, so there will be no games on the men's or women's basketball sides between Carnegie Mellon and Wash U tomorrow.

The Friday, Feb. 4, 2022 men's basketball schedule is now:

1.)  Emory at Brandeis-- 5:30 PM Eastern
2.)  Rochester at NYU-- 6 PM Eastern
3.)  Case Western Reserve at Chicago-- 5:30 PM Central/6:30 PM Eastern

The Sunday, Feb. 6, 2022 men's basketball games are still on as scheduled-

1.)  Rochester at Brandeis-- Noon Eastern
2.)  Emory at NYU-- Noon Eastern
3.)  Carnegie Mellon at Chicago-- Noon Central/1 PM Eastern
4.)  Case Western Reserve at Wash U-- Noon Central/1 PM Eastern

On another note, I have been given a "family invite" to attend the Brandeis games this weekend, and I have chosen to accept the invite for Sunday's games at Auerbach Arena vs Rochester.   Therefore, I will not be able to post on Sunday until after I come back home from the Sunday afternoon games.

I will be watching tomorrow night's games on livestream.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 03, 2022, 05:24:52 PM
Yeah, we had a similar winter storm in 2020 when Emory came to town, but the Eagles had already landed the night before and the game was played. 

It was bit of a miracle as the officials had to find a way to campus.  The snow started after Noon on that Friday and so there was far more commuter traffic on the road. 

The women's game started around 9:00 and was played with just two officials.

It figures that the game would be cancelled a day after the attendance policy was relaxed.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 04, 2022, 12:30:38 PM
We have a Monday night UAA basketball doubleheader to end this weekend's action on February 7, 2022 at Wash U.

The Carnegie Mellon men's basketball game at Wash U will tip off the doubleheader at 5:30 PM Central/6:30 PM Eastern.

This is the makeup game from the game originally scheduled for tonight but had to be postponed due to travel issues involving Carnegie Mellon yesterday.

In non-conference action, NYU men's basketball will be playing at Moravian at 7 PM Eastern that evening as well.

Schedule update:  uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule (http://uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 04, 2022, 01:10:41 PM
I am amazed they were able to get that rescheduled so fast given the number of flights that were cancelled in/out of St. Louis and Chicago, but this was probably a now or never opportunity.

They had to get tickets for two programs, coaches and support staff rescheduled to arrive in Chicago on Saturday and then out of St. Louis on Monday evening or Tuesday morning.

I am not sure if the Tartans will bus or fly to St. Louis, but I assume bus.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 04, 2022, 03:39:25 PM
This afternoon, Brandeis men's basketball has scheduled 2 home non-conference games to replace the cancelled home games against Union and Bates.

1.)  Brandeis will play Connecticut College at Auerbach Arena on Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 7 PM Eastern.

Connecticut College is currently 8-7, 2-3 in NESCAC play.  The Camels are playing on the road at Bates tonight and will play at Tufts tomorrow in NESCAC action before they make the trip to Waltham.

The Camels are coached by Tim Sweeney (Rochester '03, 4 year Rochester point guard, starting point guard on Rochester's 2002 Final Four team, former Rochester assistant coach, former Hobart head coach).

2.)  Brandeis will play Emmanuel at Auerbach Arena on Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 7 PM Eastern.

Emmanuel is currently 12-6, 8-4 in GNAC play.  The Saints men's team lost at St. Joe's Maine last night by 2 points, and they have 4 GNAC contests and a non-conference game at Amherst before they get to the Brandeis game.

The Saints are coached by Littell White (Endicott, '15).

The UAA men's basketball schedule now has these non-conference games posted.  Brandeis has updated their men's basketball schedule to reflect these newly added non-conference games as well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 04, 2022, 06:23:42 PM
Halftime from Auerbach Arena--

Brandeis 42, Emory 31

Leading scorers for Brandeis--

Tommy Eastman-- game high 12 points, 3 rebounds

Collin Sawyer-- 9 points

Ryan Power-- 6 points

Chandler Jones and Nolan Hagerty with 4 points a piece

Nolan Hagerty with 3 rebounds

Dylan Lien leading Brandeis with 4 assists

Leading scorers for Emory--

Nick Stuck with 11 points

Albert Fallas and Matthew Schner with 7 points a piece

Logan Shanahan leading Emory with 4 rebounds

Matthew Schner and Max Fried leading Emory with 2 assists a piece

Brandeis shot 15-26 from the field (57.7%), 5-10 from 3 pt land (50%), and 7-11 from the FT line (63.6%)

Emory shor 13-26 from the field (50%), 3 -8 from 3 pt land (37.5%), and 2-3 from the FT line (66.7%)

Brandeis outrebounding Emory 17-12, 5-2 on the offensive glass

Brandeis made 8 assists and committed 8 turnovers-- 4 of which were as a result of Emory steals

Emory made 6 assists and committed 8 turnovers-- 6 of which were as a result of Brandeis steals

Points off turnovers-- Emory leads, 9-8

Points in the paint-- Even at 14-14

Second chance points-- Brandeis leads, 10-2

Bench points-- Brandeis leads, 17-2



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 04, 2022, 06:35:59 PM
Jesse Lieberman's color commentary on Matthew Schner's 3 pointer with 18:03 left in regulation to cut Brandeis's lead to 13 points:  "He shot that one from Providence, Rhode Island."  Back to you..... ;)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 04, 2022, 06:38:36 PM
Halftime at St. Francis College in Brooklyn Heights, NY-- NYU 32, Rochester 31

Live stats from NYU not working at the moment.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 04, 2022, 07:23:59 PM
End of regulation--

Emory 70, Brandeis 70

Emory comes all the way back from down 19 points-- buzzer beating 3 from Nick Stuck forces overtime in Waltham.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 04, 2022, 07:41:05 PM
Final--

Emory 86, Brandeis 80 (OT)

Emory improves to 14-4, 7-1 in the UAA-- remains in possession of first place.

Brandeis drops to 9-5, 2-3 in the UAA.

Rochester 75, NYU 65

Rochester improves to 12-6, 4-4 in the UAA

NYU drops to 9-8, 0-7 in the UAA.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 04, 2022, 08:01:17 PM
The final from the Ratner Center in Chicago to conclude UAA men's basketball for tonight--

Case Western Reserve 93, Chicago 77

CWRU improves to 16-2, 6-1 in the UAA, and remains in second place in the UAA.

Chicago drops to 6-12, 1-6 in the UAA, and remains in 7th place in the UAA-- 1 game ahead of last place NYU in the standings.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 05, 2022, 09:46:54 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 04, 2022, 07:23:59 PM
End of regulation--

Emory 70, Brandeis 70

Emory comes all the way back from down 19 points-- buzzer beating 3 from Nick Stuck forces overtime in Waltham.

I watched the end of that game and the OT. Free throw shooting by the Judges in regulation was the difference that led to the OT
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 05, 2022, 12:33:20 PM
Heck of a win for the Eagles who suffered through one of the more exciting (near) buzzer beater losses two seasons ago in Boston.

You have to make it more difficult on the 42% three-point shooter who was able to get close to the three-point line with just 0:04 seconds on the clock.  You really have to foul if you are Brandeis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ronk on February 05, 2022, 01:31:22 PM
 Many coaches refuse to use the data in foul vs defend in that situation
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 06, 2022, 11:21:29 AM
For the first time since the pandemic started, I am in Auerbach Arena today on a "family invite" on the Brandeis pass list to personally watch the Rochester v Brandeis doubleheader.  Before people start asking, the Brandeis Athletics Dept called me on Friday and invited me to come this weekend. 

I just got a personal welcome from Coach Flocerzki Flockerzi of Rochester, thanking me for coming as well.  Looking forward to a great game.  There is 1 Rochester parent in the stands right now with 39 minutes to go until game time.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2022, 11:42:59 AM
Tweet from Brandeis Athletics sent out Monday, Feb. 7 at 11:20 AM Eastern--

As of today, all Brandeis home athletic contests are now open to spectators without restrictions. All spectators need to complete the Brandeis Daily Health Assessment Form for visitors prior to coming to campus, and need to wear masks indoors at all times in the Gosman Center to comply with the City of Waltham, MA's indoor mask mandate.

  Brandeis winter schedule and policy updates, February 7  (http://brandeis.prestosports.com/general/2021-22/releases/COVIDScheduleUpdate-1-6)

The first home contest to be played under this updated spectator policy will be Brandeis men's basketball hosting Connecticut College tomorrow evening.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 07, 2022, 12:13:10 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 06, 2022, 11:21:29 AM
I just got a personal welcome from Coach Flocerzki Flockerzi of Rochester, thanking me for coming as well. 

Legendary! And this was probably a typo, but I can never remember how to spell or pronounce his name.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2022, 06:03:10 PM
Tonight, the UAA weekend will come to a close 1 day later than expected, as the doubleheader with Carnegie Mellon at Wash U originally scheduled for a few nights ago will be played this evening.  It was postponed from Friday due to a winter storm that hit both Pittsburgh and St. Louis a day before the originally scheduled games that prevented Carnegie Mellon from travelling to St. Louis last Thursday.  Men will tip at 5:30 PM Central/6:30 PM Eastern from the Edwards Fahey Court at the Wash U Field House in St. Louis.

Wash U played yesterday's game vs CWRU without 2 of their usual starters due to injuries-- Kevin Davet and Jack Nolan. 

Also tonight, NYU will play their final non-conference game of the season at Moravian.  It is a makeup game from a contest that was originally going to played on January 3 as the second game of the Steel Club Classic.  NYU will attempt to finish their non-conference season at 10-1 in non-conference play (10-9 overall) and snap an 8 game losing streak that started when UAA play began.

Moravian enters tonight's contest with NYU at 9-11 overall and 4-6 in Landmark Conference play.  The NYU at Moravian game can be seen on the Landmark Digital Network with tip at 7 PM Eastern and coverage starting approx 6:50 PM Eastern.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2022, 06:27:52 PM
Wash U team news--

Kevin Davet and Jack Nolan will not be playing tonight due to injuries.   Jack Nolan will be out for a while due to a foot injury that he sustained on the Carnegie Mellon/Case Western Reserve road trip.

According to Jay Murry's commentary, Kevin Davet may be available for next weekend's home games vs Emory and Rochester.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2022, 07:19:35 PM
Halftime in St. Louis--

Wash U 32, Carnegie Mellon 23

For Wash U, Justin Hardy leading with a game high 9 points.  Hayden Doyle has 8 points and 3 rebounds, while Charlie Jacob has 7 points, 3 rebounds, and 2 assists.   Kameron Mack also has 3 rebounds for the Bears.

For Carnegie Mellon, Josh Berry leading with a team high 7 points and 2 assists.  R.J. Holmes had 3 rebounds for the Tartans, while Nick Nakasian also has 2 assists.

Carnegie Mellon has scored mostly from 3 point range for their baskets-- 6 of their made 8 baskets were 3 pointers.

Tartans held to 32% shooting from the field in the first half, but 6-13 from 3 pt range (46.2%).

Wash U shooting 11-29 from the field (37.9%), 5-15 from 3 pt land (33.3%), and 5-7 from the FT line (71.4%)



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2022, 07:44:38 PM
Halftime from Bethlehem, PA--

Moravian 45, NYU 32

Leading scorers for Moravian--

Nate Dougherty with a game high 14 points, Thomas Abato with 11 points, and Alex Dietz with 9 points

C.J. Weber and Nate Santiago have 3 rebounds each to lead Moravian in that category.

Danny Cooper and Mike DiPietro have 3 assists each to lead Moravian in that category.

Leading scorers for NYU--

Riley Demps with a team high 8 points, Bobby Hawkinson with 6 points, and Kawika Akina with 5 points

Alex Maticiuc leads NYU with 6 rebounds

Holt Bashinsky leads NYU with 3 assists.

Moravian shot 16-28 from the field (57.1%), 9-13 from 3 pt range (69.2%), and 4-7 from the FT line (57.1%)

NYU shot 13-30 from the field (43.3%), 4-13 from 3 pt range (30.8%), and 2-2 from the FT line (100%)

NYU outrebounding Moravian 17-14, 3-1 on the offensive glass

Moravian made 11 assists and committed 3 turnovers-- 2 of which were as a result of NYU steals

NYU made 5 assists and committed 7 turnovers-- 2 of which were as a result of Moravian steals.

Points off turnovers-- Moravian leads, 13-2

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2022, 08:03:58 PM
End of regulation in St. Louis--

Wash U 57, Carnegie Mellon 57

Bears and Tartans heading to OT again-- They went to OT last week in Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2022, 08:06:34 PM
Meanwhile in Bethlehem, PA, NYU has outscored Moravian 26-10 over the first 9:07 of the second half to take a 58-55 lead.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2022, 08:30:50 PM
Final in St. Louis--

Wash U 65, Carnegie Mellon 63 (OT).

Great defensive stop at the end of the game by Wash U's Justin Hardy to prevent Carnegie Mellon's Kevin Sax from scoring the tying layup to force a second overtime.  The followup went off the rim into the hands of Wash U 's Charlie Jacob to seal the game. 

Wash U improves to 16-3, 6-2 in the UAA; tied for second with Case Western Reserve.

Carnegie Mellon drops to 10-8, 3-5 in the UAA.

For Wash U, Hayden Doyle led with a game high 21 points, followed by Charlie Jacob with 13 points, and Justin Hardy with 11 points.

Leading Wash U in rebounds-- Charlie Jacob and Jake Wolf with 7 rebounds a piece

Leading Wash U in assists-- Charlie Jacob with 2 assists.

For Carnegie Mellon, Sean Oberman led with a team high 15 points, Kevin Sax with 13 points, and Josh Berry with 11 points

Leading Carnegie Mellon in rebounds-- R.J. Holmes with 9 rebounds

Leading Carnegie Mellon in assists-- Josh Berry with 8 assists.

Wash U shot 24-60 from the field (40%), 10-27 from 3 pt range (37%), and 7-13 from the FT line (53.8%)

Carnegie Mellon shot 26-61 from the field (42.6%), 9-24 from 3 pt range (37.5%), and 2-6 from the FT line (33.3%)

Wash U outrebounded CMU 40-33, 9-6 on the offensive glass

Wash U made 8 assists and committed 11 turnovers-- 5 of which were as a result of CMU steals

CMU made 14 assists and committed 13 turnovers-- 6 of which were as a result of Wash U steals

Points off turnovers-- CMU won that category, 16-13

Points in the paint-- CMU won that category, 30-26

Second chance points-- Even at 6 points a piece

Bench points-- CMU won that category, 13-11.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2022, 08:50:15 PM
Final from Johnston Hall in Bethlehem, PA--

NYU 77, Moravian 73

NYU improves to 10-9 overall and finishes with a 10-1 record in non-conference play.

Moravian drops to 9-12 overall, 5-6 in non-conference play.

For NYU-- Bobby Hawkinson led with a double double of 15 points and 12 rebounds

Zay Freeney with 12 points, and Nikola Lipovic with 11 points for the Violets

Leading NYU in assists-- Zay Freeney with 6 assists

For Moravian-- Nate Dougherty with a game high 18 points; Danny Cooper with 14 points; Thomas Abato and Alex Dietz with 11 points a piece

Leading Moravian in rebounds-- Nate Santiago with 8 rebounds

Leading Moravian in assists-- Danny Cooper with 5 assists

NYU shot 28-64 from the field (43.8%), 13-30 from 3 pt range (43.3%), and 8-13 from the FT line (61.5%)

Moravian shot 28-58 from the field (48.3%), 11-21 from 3 pt range (52.4%), and 6-10 from the FT line (60%)

NYU outrebounded Moravian 42-31; 10-2 on the offensive glass.

NYU made 17 assists and committed 8 turnovers-- 2 of which were as a result of Moravian steals

Moravian made 17 assists and committed 7 turnovers-- 3 of which were as a result of NYU steals

Points off turnovers-- Moravian won that category, 13-5

Points in the paint-- Moravian won that category, 26-24

Second chance points-- NYU won that category, 8-2

Bench points-- NYU won that category, 29-19



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 08, 2022, 07:17:48 AM
It was a great inbounds play. Wash U really opened up the middle, selling out to the 3-pt shot. It was a contested layup, but really should've finished it. Sad to see Nolan rolling around on one of those carts.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 08, 2022, 02:45:37 PM
Week 1 Regional rankings are out-- In the first week, the teams are listed in alphabetical order, since results vs RRO cannot be used to compile rankings this week.  However, numbers were placed beside each team indicating the position in alphabetical order that they were listed, which will confuse fans who do not know that the rankings were being released in alphabetical order for this week into thinking that the first team listed alphabetically in each region is the #1 ranked team in that region, which is not the case-- there is no numerical order this week.

The following 4 UAA men's basketball teams made the list for D3 ranked teams by the NCAA DIII Men's Basketball National Committee this week:

Rochester-- Region III.

Emory-- Region VI

Case Western Reserve-- Region VII.

Wash U-- Region VIII.

Data sheets have not been posted yet.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 08, 2022, 08:22:47 PM
I am watching the final ten minutes of the Brandeis vs Connecticut College game on my Roku TV from home.   

Brandeis has led the contest throughout the game.  Currently, Brandeis is leading over Connecticut College 52-43 with 5:54 left in regulation.

Brandeis led this contest at halftime, 29-21.

Chandler Jones of Brandeis suffered an injury in last Friday's game vs Emory and will not be playing for a while. 

Tonight, Collin Sawyer is leading Brandeis with a game high 13 points.  He is one of four Judges currently in double figures.

Andrew Hartel is leading with a team high 10 points for Connecticut College.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 08, 2022, 08:54:19 PM
Final from Auerbach Arena in Waltham, MA tonight--

Brandeis 63, Connecticut College 48

According to Brandeis, this game is a makeup game to make up for the cancelled game against Bates, even though this is non-conference game #10 of the season for Brandeis.

Brandeis improves to 10-6 overall, 8-2 in non-conference play.  The Judges have 1 more non-conference game to make up, which will be played next Wednesday vs Emmanuel at Auerbach Arena.

Connecticut College drops to 8-10 overall and will finish with a 6-5 mark in non-conference play this season.

For Brandeis, Collin Sawyer led with a game high 16 points.  He was one of four Judges scoring in double figures tonight. 

Tommy Eastman scored 15 points, Nolan Hagerty scored 12 points, and Toby Harris had a double double for 12 points and 10 rebounds for Brandeis tonight.

Leading Brandeis in assists-- Sam Nassar with 5 assists.

For Connecticut College, Andrew Hartel led with a team high 10 points and 6 rebounds, Jarron Flynn with 9 points; Cam Schainfeld and Billy Whelan with 8 points a piece tonight for the Camels.

Co-leading Conn. College in rebounds-- Ben Rice with 6 rebounds-- tied with Hartel in that category.

3 Conn. College players with 1 assist each-- Andrew Hartel, Billy Whelan, and Ryan Banks.

Brandeis shot 24-61 from the field (39.3%), 6-23 from 3 pt range (26.1%), and 9-10 from the FT line (90%).

Conn. College shot 19-61 from the field (31.1%), 2-15 from 3 pt range (13.3%), and 8-11 from the FT line (72.7%).

Brandeis outrebounded Conn. College 43-35, but was even on the offensive glass at 13 offensive rebounds for each team.

Brandeis made 17 assists and committed 10 turnovers-- 6 of which were as a result of Conn. College steals.

Conn. College made 3 assists and committed 13 turnovers-- 7 of which were as a result of Brandeis steals.

Points off turnovers-- Brandeis won that category, 14-10

Points in the paint-- Conn. College won that category, 32-28.

Second chance points-- Brandeis won that category, 16-5.

Bench points-- Brandeis won that category, 20-15.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 11, 2022, 02:38:53 PM
Games scheduled tonight-- Friday, February 11, 2022--

1.)  Brandeis at Carnegie Mellon-- 5:30 PM Eastern tip.  (Spectators welcome at Wiegand Gym- Masks required-- Reduced capacity of 50%).

2.)  NYU at Case Western Reserve-- 5:30 PM Eastern tip.  (Throwback weekend-- CWRU men competing tonight in the "Western Reserve Red Cats" uniforms-- Game played at Horsburgh Gym)

(Fully vaccinated spectators welcome at Horsburgh Gym-- Masks required-- Maintain adequate social distance whenever possible.)

3.)  Rochester at Chicago-- 5:30 PM Central/6:30 PM Eastern tip.

Fully vaccinated spectators welcome at Ratner Center-- Masks required.

4.)  Emory at Wash U-- 5:30 PM Central/6:30 PM Eastern tip.

Spectators welcome at Wash U Field House without restrictions-- must complete a self screening form no earlier than 2 hours prior to arriving on campus-- Masks required-- No concessions sold-- No food allowed to be brought into the building.

Sunday, Feb. 13, 2022--

1.)  Brandeis at Case Western Reserve-- 11 AM Eastern  (CWRU men wearing the "Case Tech Rough Riders" uniforms for Throwback Weekend.)

2.)  NYU at Carnegie Mellon-- Noon Eastern
3.)  Emory at Chicago-- Noon Central/1 PM Eastern
4,)  Rochester at Wash U-- Noon Central/1 PM Eastern

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 11, 2022, 02:48:35 PM
Reigning UAA Athlete of the Week in Men's Basketball-- announced Feb. 7, 2022--

Justin Hardy, Wash U.

washubears.com/general/2021-22/releases/20220208mgdo0y (http://washubears.com/general/2021-22/releases/20220208mgdo0y)

Congrats to Justin Hardy of Wash U and Nick Stuck of Emory on being named to the D3Hoops.com Team of the Week for Feb. 8.

Top 5 scorers in UAA games only entering tonight

(Must have played in 60% of the team's UAA games to be listed.)

1.)  Jack Nolan-- Wash U-- 24.5 PPG
2.)  Matthew Schner-- Emory-- 22.4 PPG
3.)  Bobby Hawkinson-- NYU-- 20.8 PPG
4.)  Mitch Prendergast-- Case Western Reserve-- 17.6 PPG
5.)  Tommy Eastman-- Brandeis-- 16.3 PPG

Top 5 rebounders in UAA games only--

1.)  Bobby Hawkinson-- NYU--12.3 RPG
2.)  RJ Holmes-- Carnegie Mellon-- 8.9 RPG
3.)  Cole Frilling-- Case Western Reserve-- 7.5 RPG
4.)  Zach Munson-- Chicago-- 7.0 RPG
5.)  Matthew Schner-- Emory-- 6.8 RPG

Top 5 "dime droppers" in UAA games only--

1.)  Nick Stuck-- Emory-- 6.3 APG
2.)  Griffin Kornaker-- Case Western Reserve-- 5.1 APG
3.)  Josh Berry-- Carnegie Mellon-- 3.5 APG
4.)  Matthew Schner-- Emory-- 3.4 APG
5.)  Bobby Hawkinson-- NYU-- 3.3 APG

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 11, 2022, 05:55:15 PM
Carnegie Mellon Pep band and cheerleaders present and working at Wiegand Gym tonight.  Things seem to be getting back to a "new normal" in UAA basketball right now post Omicron surge.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 11, 2022, 06:10:25 PM
Halftime at Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh--

Carnegie Mellon 32, Brandeis 28

For Carnegie Mellon, Jack Stone leads with a game high 12 points, followed by Kevin Sax with 8 points and R.J. Holmes with 7 points.

R.J. Holmes leads Carnegie Mellon with 5 rebounds, while Nick Nakasian leads CMU with 2 assists.

For Brandeis, Collin Sawyer leads with a team high 8 points, followed by Nolan Hagerty with 5 points, with Tommy Eastman and Aedan Using scoring 4 points a piece.

Tommy Eastman leads Brandeis with 3 rebounds, while Nolan Hagerty leads Brandeis with 2 assists.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 11, 2022, 06:15:21 PM
Halftime at Horsburgh Gym in Cleveland--

NYU 37, Case Western Reserve 32

For NYU, Bobby Hawkinson already has a double double, leading with a game high 14 points and a game high 10 rebounds.

Alex Maticiuc follows with 6 points for NYU, while Riley Demps and Hayden Peek each have 4 points a piece.

Zay Freeney and Kawika Akina each have 2 assists to lead NYU in that category.

For Case Western Reserve, Cole Frilling leads with a team high 11 points, followed by Robert Faller with 6 points, and Ryan Newton with 5 points.

Griffin Kornaker leads CWRU with 3 rebounds, and co-leads the Spartans with 2 assists, along with Robert Faller, who also has 2 assists.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 11, 2022, 06:29:17 PM
More of "normalcy" coming back to UAA basketball, as Wash U has a live pep band and "the Bomb Squad" back in the WU Field House tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 11, 2022, 06:58:28 PM
1:20 left in regulation--

NYU leading over Case Western Reserve, 69-65.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 11, 2022, 07:05:05 PM
NYU 73, Case Western Reserve 68  30.1 seconds left in regulation.

Carnegie Mellon 75, Brandeis 67  47 seconds left in regulation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 11, 2022, 07:07:33 PM
Halftime in the Midwest games--

Chicago 33, Rochester 30

Wash U 34, Emory 33
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 11, 2022, 07:16:02 PM
Final from Horsburgh Gym in Cleveland--

NYU 77, Case Western Reserve 70

NYU improves to 11-9, 1-8 in the UAA

CWRU drops to 16-4, 6-3 in the UAA

Final from Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh

Carnegie Mellon 78, Brandeis 72

Carnegie Mellon improves to 11-8, 4-5 in the UAA

Brandeis drops to 10-7, 2-5 in the UAA

By the end of men's play tonight, Emory will either have a 1/2 game lead over Wash U or a 2 1/2 game lead over the rest of the field.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 11, 2022, 08:17:23 PM
Final from Edwards Fahey Court at the Wash U Field House in St. Louis--

Emory 67, Wash U 57

Emory improves to 16-4, 9-1 in the UAA, and is now in the driver's seat for the UAA Men's Basketball Championship and the AQ with a 2 1/2 game lead over the rest of the field with 4 games left to play. 

Wash U drops to 16-4, 6-3 in the UAA-- tied for second place with Case Western Reserve.  Wash U has 5 UAA games left to play, while Case Western Reserve most likely only has 4 UAA games left to play with their second scheduled game vs Brandeis most likely going to be cancelled and a no-contest-- Sunday's CWRU game vs Brandeis will most likely be the only meeting between the two teams this season.

Final from the Ratner Center in Chicago--

Chicago 66, Rochester 62

Chicago improves to 8-12, 3-6 in the UAA

Rochester drops to 13-7, 5-5 in the UAA

Men's standings--

1.)  Emory is in first place at 9-1 in the UAA

2.)  Wash U and CWRU tied for second at 6-3 in the UAA

3.)  Rochester is in fourth at 5-5 in the UAA

4.)  Carnegie Mellon is in fifth at 4-5 in the UAA

5.)  Chicago is in sixth at 3-6 in the UAA (.333 UAA winning pct.)

6.)  Brandeis is in seventh at 2-5 in the UAA (.286 winning pct.)

7.)  NYU is in last place at 1-8 in the UAA (.111 winning pct.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 11, 2022, 10:33:35 PM
Eliminated from AQ and/or title contention:

NYU-- Eliminated from title contention

Brandeis-- Eliminated from AQ contention due to Emory's 2-0 series sweep vs the Judges-- Brandeis only expected to play 13 UAA games this season-- best possible record in 13 games is 8-5, which eliminates Brandeis from title contention.

Chicago-- Eliminated from title contention.

An Emory win on Sunday at Chicago will eliminate both Rochester and Carnegie Mellon from title contention.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 13, 2022, 11:00:20 AM
Brandeis at Case Western Reserve tipping off shortly.

CWRU color commentator Jack Vaselaney has noticed that Brandeis's Chandler Jones is currently in a walking boot-- the effect of his injury that he sustained in the Friday, Feb. 4 game at Auerbach Arena vs Emory.   As a result, Chandler Jones is likely out for the rest of the season.

Today, the CWRU men are wearing the "Case Tech Rough Riders" uniforms for the second half of CWRU Throwback Weekend.

This will be the only meeting between former Middlebury teammates Tommy Eastman (Brandeis) and Griffin Kornaker (CWRU) as basketball opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 13, 2022, 11:42:09 AM
Halftime from Horsburgh Gym in Cleveland--

Case Western Reserve 42, Brandeis 31

For CWRU-- Cole Frilllng leading with a game high 11 points, Mitch Prendergast with 10 points, and Ryan Newton with 8 points.

Robert Faller and Brian Hines each have 3 rebounds to lead CWRU in that category.

Griffin Kornaker leads CWRU with 6 assists.

For Brandeis-- Tommy Eastman leading with a team high 9 points, Sam Nassar and Toby Harris each have 5 points a piece, and Terrell Brown has 4 points.

Tommy Eastman has a game high 7 rebounds, and Dylan Lien has 2 assists to lead Brandeis in those categories.

CWRU shot 16-30 from the field (53.3%), 5-10 from 3 pt range (50%), and 5-7 from the FT line (71.4%)

Brandeis shot 13-29 from the field (44.8%), 3-12 from 3 pt range (25%), and 2-3 from the FT line (66.7%)

CWRU outrebounded Brandeis 16-15, but Brandeis outrebounded CWRU 2-1 on the offensive glass.

CWRU made 13 assists and committed 4 turnovers-- 2 of which were as a result of Brandeis steals.

Brandeis made 7 assists and committed 7 turnovers-- 4 of which were as a result of CWRU steals.

CWRU blocked 4 Brandeis shots, while Brandeis blocked 1 CWRU shot.

Points off turnovers-- Brandeis leading, 7-4.

Second chance points-- CWRU leading, 3-2.

Bench points-- Brandeis leading, 12-11.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 13, 2022, 12:24:11 PM
NYU has opened up their game at Carnegie Mellon on a 17-2 run over the first 8 minutes.  The score, naturally, is NYU 17, Carnegie Mellon 2 with 12 min remaining in the first half.

Carnegie Mellon shooting 1-11 from the field, 0-8 from 3 pt range.

NYU shooting 7-13 from the field, 3-6 from 3 pt range.



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 13, 2022, 12:41:28 PM
Final from Horsburgh Gym in Cleveland--

Case Western Reserve 80, Brandeis 66

CWRU improves to 17-4, 7-3 in the UAA.

Brandeis drops to 10-8, 2-6 in the UAA.

All UAA men's basketball teams have now played a minimum 18 games overall.

For CWRU-- Mitch Prendergast led with a game high 28 points, Cole Frilling with 16 points, Ryan Newton with 13 points, and Brian Hines with a double double of 10 points and a game high 10 rebounds.

Griffin Kornaker led CWRU with a game high 10 assists.

For Brandeis-- Tommy Eastman led with a team high 18 points and a team high 7 rebounds.  Sam Nassar follows with 10 points, and Collin Sawyer with 9 points.

Dylan Lien led Brandeis with 2 assists.

CWRU shot 32-57 from the field (56.1%), 11-21 from 3 pt range (52.4%), and 5-11 from the FT line (45.5%).

Brandeis shot 28-57 from the field (49.1%), 6-21 from 3 pt range (28.6%), and 4-7 from the FT line (57.1%)

CWRU outrebounded Brandeis 36-22, 9-4 on the offensive glass.

CWRU made 20 assists and committed 17 turnovers-- 8 of which were as a result of Brandeis steals.

Brandeis made 9 assists and committed 14 turnovers-- 5 of which were as a result of CWRU steals.

Points off turnovers-- Brandeis won that category, 16-9

Points in the paint-- CWRU won that category, 38-34

Second chance points-- CWRU won that category, 7-5.

Bench points-- Brandeis won that category, 24-16.

Blocked shots-- CWRU blocked 4 Brandeis shots, while Brandeis blocked 2 CWRU shots.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 13, 2022, 12:44:04 PM
NYU leading over Carnegie Mellon, 31-15, with 4:53 left in the first half at Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh.

Bobby Hawkinson with a game high 10 points and 5 rebounds for NYU so far.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 13, 2022, 12:55:03 PM
Halftime at Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh--

NYU 39, Carnegie Mellon 22

Senior Day at Carnegie Mellon.

For NYU-- Bobby Hawkinson leading with a game high 12 points and a team high 7 rebounds.  Zay Freeney follows with 9 points, and Cinque Stephens has 5 points.

Bobby Hawkinson and Cinque Stephens each has 2 assists to lead NYU in that category.

For Carnegie Mellon-- Jack Stone leading with a team high 9 points.  Kevin Sax follows with 8 points and a game high 8 rebounds.  Charlie Tripp follows with 3 points, and Aidan Murphy with 2 points to round out the scoring for the Tartans.

Jack Stone, Aidan Murphy, and Josh Berry with 1 assist a piece for Carnegie Mellon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 13, 2022, 01:34:36 PM
Halftime from Edwards Fahey Court at Wash U Field House in St. Louis--

Rochester 41, Wash U 32

For Rochester-- Ross Gang leading with a team high 10 points, followed by Dan Masino with 8 points and a game high 5 rebounds, and Matt Wiele also with 8 points.

Brian Amabilino Perez, Logan Jagodzinski, and Trent Noordsij each have 2 assists for the Yellowjackets.

For Wash U-- Charlie Jacob leading with a game high 11 points, followed by Hayden Doyle with 5 points and a game high 3 assists, and Justin Hardy also with 5 points.

Kevin Davet with a team high 4 rebounds for Wash U.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 13, 2022, 01:41:49 PM
Halftime at the Ratner Center in Chicago--

Emory 39, Chicago 32.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 13, 2022, 01:47:43 PM
Final from Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh--

NYU 77, Carnegie Mellon 51

NYU improves to 12-9, 2-8 in the UAA

Carnegie Mellon drops to 11-9, 4-6 in the UAA

Bobby Hawkinson led NYU with a game high 22 points and 15 rebounds.

Jack Stone led Carnegie Mellon with a team high 20 points.

Kevin Sax of Carnegie Mellon also had a double double of 12 points and 11 rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 13, 2022, 03:00:01 PM
Final from the Ratner Center in Chicago--

Chicago 84, Emory 79

Chicago improves to 9-12, 4-6 in the UAA.

Emory drops to 16-5, 9-2 in the UAA-- Emory is still in first place by 1 1/2 games over Case Western Reserve and by 2 1/2 games over Wash U.

CWRU plays at Emory this upcoming Friday.

Final from the Edwards Fahey Court at the Wash U Field House in St. Louis--

Rochester 72, Wash U 71

Rochester improves to 14-7, 6-5 in the UAA.

Wash U drops to 16-5, 6-4 in the UAA-- third place in the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 13, 2022, 03:32:13 PM
Teams still in the running for the UAA Championship with 2 weekends to go--

Emory, Case Western Reserve, Wash U, Rochester.

CWRU is 1 1/2 games behind Emory.  Emory and CWRU play each other this upcoming Friday.  An Emory win on Friday eliminates CWRU and Rochester from the title hunt.

An Emory win over CWRU and a Wash U loss at NYU on Friday clinches the UAA title and the AQ for the Emory Eagles.  Emory would have swept the season series over CWRU if the Eagles win on Friday, so CWRU would not be able to clinch the AQ even if they got to make up the second game vs Brandeis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 13, 2022, 05:09:21 PM
I thought for sure we would get an updated Covid-19 policy, but given where we are in the schedule, I think that is highly unlikely at this point.  I also think it is highly unlikely that Case Western Reserve will get that game with Brandeis leaving the Spartans with a final ranking of ineligible, I can only assume.

That certainly could change, but given that Brandeis has the next two Fridays/Sunday weekends and Wednesdays booked, I cannot imagine how that happens unless the Judges get another cancellation.  There is not enough time to get it done.

I think this comes down to a race for second between Rochester and Washington University.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 14, 2022, 05:19:55 AM
It would be interesting if Case Western Reserve finished at 10-3 in the UAA (.769 winning pct.) and both Wash U and Emory finished at 10-4 in the UAA (.714 winning pct), wouldn't it?   ;D

All humor aside, I think Emory on Friday will do their best to defeat CWRU in Atlanta and get that season sweep over the Spartans so that this particular scenario does not happen.  Also, Emory would have to lose 2 of their last 3 home games and CWRU would have to go 2-0 on the Emory/Rochester road trip to set up this scenario-- the road trip to Emory and Rochester is perhaps the most difficult UAA road trip in men's basketball for a visiting team to sweep at the present time-- historically, it was the road trip to the Midwest teams of Chicago and Wash U.

It also will not be easy for Wash U to win out and get to 10-4 in the UAA without Jack Nolan, but the Bears still have a lot left in their arsenal to get road wins at NYU, Brandeis and Chicago and then get a home win vs Chicago on Senior Day.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2022, 03:45:35 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings - which are ranked now: https://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 15, 2022, 08:09:01 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2022, 03:45:35 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings - which are ranked now: https://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-first

I have noticed on these current data sheets that only teams that got alphabetically ranked last week got to get a head-to-head record listed this week.  The head-to-head is the record between the team alphabetically ranked vs the other teams alphabetically ranked in their natural evaluation region only.  No records vs teams ranked in other evaluation regions are listed, and only those teams that got listed on the alphabetical sheet last week got to have a head vs head computed.

My question is:  Is that the right way to do this?   I have always understood results vs RRO, at least at the time of selection, to include the record head to head vs the team that is ranked and all other teams ranked in all other evaluation regions.

In my opinion, until the national table is formed at the time of selection, the head to head is being done correctly, as least as far as the RACs are computing it.  Until it is time for the Pool C selection process to officially begin, the RACs are comparing head to heads between teams in their own evaluation region, and it is just right to list the head to heads of only the teams regionally ranked vs other regionally ranked teams in their own evaluation region this week to save time.  I just feel that this is not the entire process to select the teams.

Nevertheless, here is how I am interpreting this data sheet this week in the head to head 1.)  Rochester's head to head record vs other teams ranked in Region III is 1-2.  UR has a win over Ithaca, and losses to Nazareth and St. John Fisher.

2.)  Emory's head to head record vs other teams ranked in Region VI is 2-1.  Emory has wins over Guilford and Maryville (TN), and a loss to Randolph-Macon.

3.)  Case Western Reserve's head to head record vs other teams ranked in Region VII is 1-0.  The Spartans have the win over Otterbein.

4.)  Wash U's head to head record vs other teams ranked in Region VIII is also 1-0.  The Bears have the win over the Illinois Wesleyan Titans.

BTW, Brandeis, which did not get listed on the alphabetically listed teams last week has a 2-2 mark vs ranked teams in Region II-- wins over Babson and UMass-Dartmouth, and losses to WPI and Emerson.  No team not listed in last week's alphabetical sheet has their head to head mark over ranked teams in their natural evaluation region displayed this week.

The other UAA teams not listed, and their records head to head vs ranked teams in their natural evaluation regions--

NYU did not play a ranked team ranked in Evaluation Region IV.

Carnegie Mellon is 0-1 0-2 vs ranked teams in Region VII--  losses vs Case Western Reserve and Chatham.

Chicago is 0-2 vs ranked teams ranked in Region VIII-- losses vs Wheaton (IL) and Illinois Wesleyan.  The Maroons have 2 games vs Wash U coming up.



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2022, 08:38:45 PM
I have chatted with the national chair ... we are unsure why the data we are seeing is not the full vRRO ... it is how the current ranked teams have done against the current ranked teams ... it isn't helpful.

We are working to get it changed.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2022, 05:14:31 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2022, 08:38:45 PM
I have chatted with the national chair ... we are unsure why the data we are seeing is not the full vRRO ... it is how the current ranked teams have done against the current ranked teams ... it isn't helpful.

We are working to get it changed.

It should be changed to reflect what other sports committees did earlier in the academic year.   The DIII soccer committees presented the winning percentage, the overall SOS, and the results vs all of the ranked opponents in all of the evaluation regions for all of the teams on the data sheet of each evaluation region.  Until basketball came out with a totally different data sheet this season, the data sheets that were presented for soccer were in a format that I was expecting that most DIII sports would be using, and have used in the past.

Any change to how primary criteria should be interpreted or to the format of DIII sports data sheets should start in the fall sports season so that anyone following any DIII sport will understand that all DIII sports that use these primary criteria are treating like for like.  Primary criteria in DIII shouldn't mean one thing in soccer, another thing in basketball, another thing in baseball and softball, another thing in field hockey, and another thing in lacrosse-- it just confuses everyone.

Also, if you are going to change the number of ranked teams in an evaluation region to 15% of the teams in that region in future years, it will leave Region II with too few ranked teams in basketball.  I like keeping the number of teams ranked in an evaluation region to a guaranteed minimum of 6 teams.

I did like the non-conference SOS being listed in the secondary criteria, but I am not sure that the NCSOS is being computed correctly, either.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2022, 07:09:30 AM
Since the data sheets do not list these records, here are the records of the UAA teams against the alphabetically listed teams in all evaluation regions from the first week:

1.)  Emory-- 5-3.

Vs.Region VI non-conference alphabetically named:  Wins vs Guilford and Maryville (TN), loss vs Randolph-Macon. (2-1).

Vs. Non-conference alphabetically named from other regions:  Loss vs Wabash (0-1).

Vs. UAA teams alphabetically named:  1-0 vs Rochester, 1-1 vs Wash U, 1-0 vs Case Western Reserve (3-1).

2.)  Wash U-- 5-3.

Vs. Region VIII non-conference alphabetically named:  Win vs Illinois Wesleyan. (1-0).

Vs. Non-conference alphabetically named in other regions:  Win vs Dubuque (1-0).

Vs. UAA teams alphabetically named:  1-1 vs Emory, 1-1 vs Rochester, 1-1 vs Case Western Reserve (3-3).

3.)  Case Western Reserve-- 5-2.

Vs. Region VII non-conference alphabetically named:  Win vs Otterbein (1-0).

Vs. Non-conference alphabetically named in other regions:  Wins vs St. John Fisher (1-0), and Hamilton (1-0).

Vs. UAA teams alphabetically named:  0-1 vs Emory, 1-0 vs Rochester, 1-1 vs Wash U   (2-2).

4.)  Rochester-- 3-5.

Vs. Region III non-conference teams alphabetically named:  Win vs Ithaca, losses vs Nazareth and St. John Fisher (1-2).

Vs. Teams alphabetically named in other regions:  Win vs Stockton (1-0).

Vs. UAA teams alphabetically named:  0-1 vs Emory, 1-1 vs Wash U, 0-1 vs Case Western Reserve (1-3).

5.)  Brandeis-- 3-7.

Vs. Region II non-conference teams alphabetically named:  Wins vs Babson and UMass-Dartmouth, losses vs WPI and Emerson (2-2).

Vs Teams alphabetically named in other regions:  0-0.

Vs. UAA teams alphabetically named:  0-2 vs Emory, 1-1 vs Rochester, 0-1 vs Wash U, 0-1 vs Case Western Reserve (1-5).

6.)  Chicago-- 2-9.

Vs. Region VIII non-conference alphabetically named:  Loss vs Wheaton (IL), loss vs Illinois Wesleyan (0-2).

Vs. Non-conference other regions alphabetically named:  Loss vs Pomona-Pitzer, loss vs Marietta, loss vs Maryville (TN) (0-3).

Vs. UAA teams alphabetically listed:  1-1 vs Rochester, 1-1 vs Emory, 0-2 vs Case Western Reserve (2-4).

Chicago yet to play Wash U.

7.)  Carnegie Mellon-- 1-6.

Vs Region VII non-conference teams alphabetically listed:  Loss vs Chatham (0-1).

Vs Non-conference teams alphabetically listed in other regions:  Loss vs Randolph-Macon (0-1).

Vs UAA teams alphabetically listed:  0-1 vs Case Western Reserve, 0-1 vs Rochester, 0-1 vs Emory, 1-1 vs Wash U. (1-4).

8.)  NYU-- 1-6.

Vs Region IV non-conference teams alphabetically listed:  0-0.

Vs Non-conference teams alphabetically listed in other regions: 0-0.

Vs UAA teams alphabetically listed:  1-1 vs Case Western Reserve, 0-1 vs Wash U, 0-2 vs Rochester, 0-2 vs Emory (1-6).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2022, 12:55:15 PM
The data sheets have now been corrected to reflect results vs All Division ranked opponents, which is the vRRO that we have been used to for years. 

Keep in mind that the results will be adjusted next week to reflect results vs the RROs in the Week 2 rankings.

Any RROs vs teams in the Weeks 3 and 4 rankings are the results that count for selection purposes.

For example, for purposes of next week's Regional rankings, Brandeis will end up at 5-7 vs RROs, since Tufts and Lasell have now been added to the Region I regional rankings this week.  This is not counting this Sunday's game vs Wash U, which result will be added to the results record.  So, Brandeis will either be 6-7 or 5-8 in results vs the Week 2 RROs for purposes of the Week 3 rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2022, 02:11:21 PM
Non-conference game tonight at Auerbach Arena in Waltham--

Emmanuel at Brandeis

Brandeis enters tonight at 10-8, 2-6 in the UAA.

Emmanuel enters tonight at 13-9, 9-7 in the GNAC.

This is the makeup game for the cancelled Dec. 30, 2021 game between Brandeis and Union.

First meeting between Brandeis and Emmanuel in men's basketball.

Tip is at 7 PM Eastern.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2022, 07:43:49 PM
Halftime at Auerbach Arena in Waltham, MA--

Brandeis 48, Emmanuel 24

For Brandeis-- Tommy Eastman leading with a game high 16 points, followed by Dylan Lien and Toby Harris with 12 points a piece.

Toby Harris and Nolan Hagerty co-leading Brandeis with 7 rebounds a piece, while 5 Brandeis players have 2 assists each.

For Emmanuel-- Donte Pope leading with a team high 8 points, followed by Bryant Ciccio with 5 points and Zach Crisafulli with 4 points.

6 Emmanuel players with 2 rebounds each, while 4 Emmanuel players have 1 assist a piece.

Brandeis shot 19-36 from the field (52.8%), 10-20 from 3 pt range (50%), and 0-2 from the FT line.

Emmanuel shot 9-32 from the field (28.1%), 3-12 from 3 pt range (25%), and 3-4 from the FT line (75%).

Brandeis outrebounding Emmanuel 26-15, 4-2 on the offensive glass.

Brandeis made 14 assists and committed 1 turnover, while Emmanuel made 4 assists and committed 1 turnover.

No steals in the game so far.

Points off turnovers-- Brandeis leads, 3-0.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2022, 08:41:52 PM
Final from Auerbach Arena in Waltham, MA--

Brandeis 79, Emmanuel 49

Brandeis improves to 11-8-- finishes with a 9-2 mark in non-conference play.

Emmanuel drops to 13-10.

For Brandeis-- Toby Harris had a double double, leading with a game high 19 points and also having 10 rebounds.  Tommy Eastman follows with 18 points, followed by Dylan Lien with 14 points, and Darret Justice with 10 points.

Nolan Hagerty had a game high 11 rebounds, and 4 Brandeis players each had 3 assists a piece.

For Emmanuel-- Donte Pope led with a team high 16 points, followed by Zach Crisafulli, Ryan Grijalva, and Eijay Morris with 6 points a piece.

Donte Pope had 7 rebounds, while Zach Crisafulli and Ryan Grijalva each had 2 assists.

Brandeis shot 33-69 from the field (47.8%), 13-33 from 3 pt range (39.4%), and 0-2 from the FT line.

Emmanuel shot 20-61 from the field (32.8%), 3-20 from 3 pt range (15%), and 6-13 from the FT line (46.2%).

Brandeis outrebounded Emmanuel 49-32, 10-6 on the offensive glass.

Brandeis made 24 assists and committed 7 turnovers-- 2 of which were as a result of Emmanuel steals.

Emmanuel made 8 assists and committed 6 turnovers-- 3 of which were as a result of Brandeis steals.

Points off turnovers-- Emmanuel won that category, 4-3.

Points in the paint-- Brandeis won that category, 32-28.

Second chance points-- Brandeis won that category, 6-0.

Bench points-- Brandeis won that category, 48-10.

Next up for Brandeis-- Chicago at Brandeis on Friday in UAA action.

Next up for Emmanuel-- Emmanuel at Dean on Saturday in GNAC action.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 17, 2022, 07:18:26 AM
Congrats to our reigning UAA Athletes of the Week in men's basketball for games played on the week of Feb. 7 through 13, 2022, as announced by the UAA office on Feb. 14:

1.)  Bobby Hawkinson, NYU

2.)  Brandon Beckman, Chicago

uaasports.info/information/aow/021422 (http://uaasports.info/information/aow/021422)

Also, congrats to Bobby Hawkinson of NYU on making it to the D3Hoops.com Team of the Week for games played Feb. 7 through 13, 2022.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2022, 03:53:12 PM
New non-conference game added to the schedule for Wednesday, Feb. 23, 2022--

Rochester at Alfred State-- 7 PM Eastern.

This is a make-up game for the cancelled Rochester at DePauw game that was originally going to be played on Sunday, January 2, 2022, and will be Rochester's 11th and final non-conference game of the regular season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2022, 04:05:29 PM
UAA games scheduled for tonight-- Friday, February 18, 2022--

1.)  Case Western Reserve at Emory-- 5:30 PM Eastern.
2.)  Carnegie Mellon at Rochester-- 5:30 PM Eastern
3.)  Chicago at Brandeis-- 5:30 PM Eastern
4.)  Wash U at NYU-- 6 PM Eastern-- Game to be played at "the Pope" at St. Francis College in Brooklyn Heights, NY.

Spectator policies for this weekend--

All spectators are welcome without restriction for games played at Emory, Rochester, and Brandeis.

In person NYU home games this weekend are restricted to NYU students, faculty, staff, and administrators only-- no outside spectators allowed due to a general ban on visitors still in effect at the NYU campus.

For the Brandeis at NYU games on Feb. 25 and 26, 2022 a limited number of family members of NYU basketball players will be allowed inside the Brooklyn Athletic Facility to attend Senior Day.  They must be on an NYU team pass list, and no other spectators will be allowed to attend the events in person.

Senior Day at Brandeis will be on Sunday, Feb. 20, 2022 for both the Brandeis men's and women's basketball teams-- this is  an official Brandeis Alumni Club of Boston event.   The NYU at Brandeis men's basketball game to be played on Sunday, Feb. 27, 2022 is also an official Brandeis Alumni Club of Boston event as well.  According to what I now read on the streams set up on the Brandeis Boxcast channel-- Senior Day for the Brandeis men's basketball team has been rescheduled from the original date of Sunday, Feb. 20, to the home basketball makeup game vs NYU on Sunday, Feb. 27.

At stake tonight--

Emory can clinch the UAA Men's Basketball title and the AQ tonight with a victory over Case Western Reserve, and an NYU win over Wash U.


Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2022, 06:08:50 PM
Well, what do I know?  Jack Nolan is in the starting lineup for Wash U tonight, after all, and is giving it a go....
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2022, 06:13:40 PM
Halftime at the Palestra in Rochester, NY--

Rochester 34, Carnegie Mellon 24

For Rochester-- Matt Wiele and Brian Amabilino Perez with game high 8 points a piece.  Andrew Jackson follows with 6 points, and Ross Gang with 4 points.

Brian Amabilino Perez also leading Rochester with 4 rebounds and 3 assists.

For Carnegie Mellon-- Kevin Sax leading with a team high 5 points.  Josh Berry, Jack Stone, and Nolan Casey follow with 4 points a piece.

Josh Berry leads CMU with 4 rebounds, while R.J. Holmes leads the Tartans with 2 assists.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2022, 06:18:27 PM
Halftime at Auerbach Arena in Waltham, MA--

Chicago 32, Brandeis 30

For Chicago-- Brandon Beckman leading with a game high 11 points, followed by Bryce Hopkins and Zach Munson with 6 points a piece.

Bryce Hopkins leading Chicago with 6 rebounds, while Elliot Paschal leads Chicago with 3 assists.

For Brandeis-- Tommy Eastman leading with 10 points and 5 rebounds.  Collin Sawyer follows with 6 points, while Darret Justice and Nolan Hagerty each have 4 points a piece.

Eastman, Sawyer, and Hagerty each have 2 assists a piece for Brandeis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2022, 06:27:04 PM
Halftime at the WOODPEC in Atlanta, GA--

Case Western Reserve 48, Emory 43

For CWRU-- Mitch Prendergast leads with a game high 21 points.  Hunter Drenth and Cole Frilling follow with 7 points a piece, and Griffin Kornaker has 5 points.

Brian Hines leads CWRU with 4 rebounds, while Griffin Kornaker leads CWRU with 4 assists.

For Emory-- Matthew Schner leads with a team high 20 points, followed by Nick Stuck with 7 points, with Romin Williams and Max Fried at 6 points a piece.

Max Fried leads Emory with 4 rebounds, while Nick Stuck leads Emory with 4 assists.

CWRU shot 13-28 from the field (46.4%), 6-15 from 3 pt range (40%), and 16-16 from the FT line (100%).

Emory shot 14-31 from the field (45.2%), 1-9 from 3 pt range (11.1%), and 14-20 from the FT line (70%).

Emory outrebounding CWRU 18-15, 8-5 on the offensive glass.

CWRU made 9 assists and committed 9 turnovers-- 4 of which were as a result of Emory steals.

Emory made 6 assists and committed 6 turnovers-- only 1 of which was a CWRU steal.

Points off turnovers-- Emory leads, 12-8.

Points in the paint-- Emory leads, 22-14.

Second chance points-- Emory leads, 8-6.

Bench points-- Emory leads, 10-9.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2022, 06:42:06 PM
Halftime at St. Francis College in Brooklyn Heights, NY--

Wash U 32, NYU 29

For Wash U-- Jack Nolan and Charlie Jacob co-leading with a team high 9 points a piece.  Kevin Davet with 4 points, and Matt Gonzalo with 3 points.

Jack Nolan and Kevin Davet each have 4 rebounds a piece for Wash U, while Jack Nolan has 2 assists.

Justin Hardy did not play in the first half-- Wash U is very fortunate that Jack Nolan is playing tonight.

For NYU-- Bobby Hawkinson leads with a game high 10 points,  7 rebounds, and 4 assists.

Zay Freeney with 8 points, and Riley Demps with 4 points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2022, 07:04:56 PM
Final at the Palestra in Rochester, NY--

Rochester 69, Carnegie Mellon 46

Rochester improves to 15-7, 7-5 in the UAA.

Carnegie Mellon drops to 11-10, 4-7 in the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2022, 07:10:57 PM
Final at Auerbach Arena in Waltham, MA--

Chicago 78, Brandeis 75

Chicago improves to 10-12, 5-6 in the UAA-- now in fifth place in the UAA.

Brandeis drops to 11-9, 2-7 in the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2022, 07:28:11 PM
Final from Woodruff PEC in Atlanta, GA--

Emory 88, Case Western Reserve 84

Emory improves to 17-5, 10-2 in the UAA, and because the Eagles swept the Spartans while the Bears did not, Emory has clinched the 2021-2022 UAA automatic bid to the NCAA DIII Men's Basketball Tournament on tiebreakers.  Congrats to the Eagles, and if NYU wins tonight, Emory will clinch the UAA title outright.  No matter what, even if Emory ended up sharing the title with Wash U, Emory has won the automatic bid on tiebreakers-- as neither CWRU nor Rochester can tie Emory for the title.

CWRU drops to 17-5, 7-4 in the UAA.   The best CWRU can do is finish at 9-4 in the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2022, 07:49:28 PM
Final from "the Pope" at St. Francis College in Brooklyn Heights, NY--

NYU 68, Wash U 62

Justin Hardy of Wash U-- Did not play tonight.

  Congrats to the Emory Eagles-- 2021-2022 UAA Men's Basketball Champion-- AQ to NCAAs.

NYU improves to 7th place in the UAA-- 13-9 overall, 3-8 in the UAA. (.273 UAA winning pct.)-- NYU has 3 UAA games left to play.

Wash U drops to 16-6, 6-5 in the UAA.  Wash U has 3 UAA games left to play.

Brandeis is now in last place in the UAA with 4 UAA games left for the Judges to play-- Brandeis is at 2-7 in the UAA. (.222 UAA winning pct.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue_jays on February 18, 2022, 08:05:16 PM
WashU's precipitous slide is putting them on the bubble, and the fact UChicago has found its shooting stroke and is playing its best ball of the year should be equally concerning for the Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 18, 2022, 08:12:05 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on February 18, 2022, 08:05:16 PM
WashU's precipitous slide is putting them on the bubble, and the fact UChicago has found its shooting stroke and is playing its best ball of the year should be equally concerning for the Bears.

The Bears have been able to field their Fall rotation just twice in conference play.

Nolan played, but did not look close to healthy.

Maroons on the other hand, wow.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 18, 2022, 09:12:09 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 18, 2022, 08:12:05 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on February 18, 2022, 08:05:16 PM
WashU's precipitous slide is putting them on the bubble, and the fact UChicago has found its shooting stroke and is playing its best ball of the year should be equally concerning for the Bears.

The Bears have been able to field their Fall rotation just twice in conference play.

Nolan played, but did not look close to healthy.

Maroons on the other hand, wow.

The Bears clearly needed Hardy today.

That #11 for NYU, with the gimpy right arm, was really quick and had some great moves, both on offense and defense.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 19, 2022, 12:42:44 PM
I think first and foremost, we need to hope and pray that Justin Hardy is able to fully enjoy Senior Day at WashU a week from today.

With what he is battling, what I saw in the last WashU homestand, and what was disclosed in the ESPN College GameDay feature, NCAA tournament berths don't seem to be quite as important to fret about. 

Admittedly, I'm one of the most fretful every year as we near the end of the regular season.  This year, I just can't bring myself to that level. 

My most fervent hope is that Justin gets to savor one last game in the Fieldhouse with his band of WashU brothers, and that he gets to play one more time at the high level that he displayed pre-cancer.  If for only a couple of minutes.

And, I hope he gets to do so in front of a capacity crowd.  Justin deserves that.

Then, after next Saturday's game is complete against the U. of Chicago...if the Bears are in a good position to be considered as a Pool C at-large entrant I will then begin my NCAA Tournament fretting.  I have been hoping that Justin, Jack Nolan, and others from the 2019-20 season would be able to have one more shot to achieve what COVID took away.

But, for the moment, my thoughts and prayers are with Justin, his family, and his coaches and teammates. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2022, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on February 19, 2022, 12:42:44 PM
I think first and foremost, we need to hope and pray that Justin Hardy is able to fully enjoy Senior Day at WashU a week from today.

With what he is battling, what I saw in the last WashU homestand, and what was disclosed in the ESPN College GameDay feature, NCAA tournament berths don't seem to be quite as important to fret about. 

Admittedly, I'm one of the most fretful every year as we near the end of the regular season.  This year, I just can't bring myself to that level. 

My most fervent hope is that Justin gets to savor one last game in the Fieldhouse with his band of WashU brothers, and that he gets to play one more time at the high level that he displayed pre-cancer.  If for only a couple of minutes.

And, I hope he gets to do so in front of a capacity crowd.  Justin deserves that.

Then, after next Saturday's game is complete against the U. of Chicago...if the Bears are in a good position to be considered as a Pool C at-large entrant I will then begin my NCAA Tournament fretting.  I have been hoping that Justin, Jack Nolan, and others from the 2019-20 season would be able to have one more shot to achieve what COVID took away.

But, for the moment, my thoughts and prayers are with Justin, his family, and his coaches and teammates.

I DVR'd the College Gameday Feature this morning, and after the feature, ESPN College Gameday's Gene Wojciechowski, who did the feature, revealed after the feature played this morning that Justin Hardy started a new experimental treatment on Monday, Feb. 14, (that part was also in the feature), and did not travel with Wash U to this weekend's games.  Those people who do not follow DIII that closely only know that Wash U is on the east coast doing games this weekend, but for us, it meant that I will not be able to see Justin Hardy (or his family) in person at Auerbach Arena tomorrow. 

I will be praying "Mi Sheberiach" (prayers for healing) for him at any possible service that I can attend virtually with my congregation on Zoom.  At the moment, it may only be at the daily evening services right now, but I do at least privately what I cannot have time for publicly.

I am hoping that at least one UAA men's basketball team will get a Pool C at-large bid this season, but this year, compared to that fact that basketball has resumed this year, if the season ends for a few of my favored teams next week, so be it-- just the fact that we got a season this year has been great, and I appreciate it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2022, 07:26:33 PM

ESPN put the video of Hardy's future on youtube today. It's available and very well done.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 19, 2022, 07:52:05 PM
The ESPN video on Justin Hardy for those who may not have seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5uRdIMRVEA
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 20, 2022, 08:46:07 AM
The digital game program for today's Brandeis game vs Wash U has confirmed that today is Senior Day for 6 Brandeis men's basketball players who are entering their final week in a Brandeis uniform-- just to clear up any confusion:

brandeisjudges.com/programs (http://brandeisjudges.com/programs)

Today, Brandeis will honor the accomplishments of Austin Clamage, Tommy Eastman, Nolan Hagerty, Chandler Jones, Sam Nassar, and Collin Sawyer.

I will be at Auerbach Arena today, watching the Brandeis v Wash U doubleheader in person.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 20, 2022, 09:07:28 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 19, 2022, 07:52:05 PM
The ESPN video on Justin Hardy for those who may not have seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5uRdIMRVEA

Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 20, 2022, 10:12:11 AM
I am at Auerbach Arena now-- I arrived a few minutes before the Wash U men's team-- they are getting dressed in the visitors locker room now-- it is 10:10 AM Eastern
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 20, 2022, 12:08:36 PM
Can you let the broadcasters know that the sound is not on?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 20, 2022, 12:51:21 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 20, 2022, 12:08:36 PM
Can you let the broadcasters know that the sound is not on?

They fixed it!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 20, 2022, 03:06:29 PM
Sorry, I have not had time to read the comments on the d3boards this morning and afternoon-- otherwise I may have been able to ask Jesse Lieberman about the technical difficulties with the Brandeis webcast today.  I am just glad to see that at least the second half came through without a glitch.

I am so glad to finally see the Brandeis men win a home UAA Basketball game.  It has been a while.

Naturally, coach Jean Bain wants me back at Auerbach Arena next Sunday for the game vs NYU, but there will be so many conference title games taking place at the same time.  It is really difficult to follow the action on the court in person while watching video of another game on a smartphone-- at least, I personaly feel so.

No official alumni club event today-- but the Brandeis men's basketball team had their own post game meal in the Multi Purpose room.  The Wash U men settled for grab and go pizza.  For those who have not been to Brandeis recently, the Multi Purpose Room has been moved further down the hall to where it is now one floor above the far side of Auerbach Arena as you walk in (it is now on the side of Gosman Center closer to the Linsey Pool building), rather than being on the same end as the Napoli Trophy Room.  As a fan, you have to wear a high quality mask inside the building, but nobody really minds if you sneak in protein bars and soda as long as you eat it in private away from the rest of the fans. 

How about that overtime game today at Emory?  Still some exciting action even with the UAA title race decided.

Update-- I was able to catch the exciting final 39 seconds of overtime between Emory and Carnegie Mellon after the Brandeis men's game came to a conclusion.  I watched it on my smartphone from the Napoli Trophy Room while the Brandeis and Wash U women's basketball teams were warming up.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 20, 2022, 07:06:40 PM
From the Brandeis recap of today's victory over Wash U--

In short, some history was made today with Brandeis's win over Wash U--

1.)  First Brandeis home win at Auerbach Arena over Wash U since 2012.

2.)  First Brandeis win over Wash U since 2016.

3.)  First time that Brandeis men's basketball coach Jean Bain has defeated Wash U-- before today, the Bears were the final team that Coach Bain did not own a victory over in UAA play.

4.)  The 19 point margin of victory is Brandeis's largest over Wash U in the history of the series.

Some other things that struck at me in today's win over WashU.

Second chance points:  Brandeis won that category, 18-8.

Points in the paint:  Brandeis won that category, 44-16

Bench points:  Brandeis won that category, 32-4.

Game recap:   Judges shoot down #17 WashU on Senior Day, 84-65 (http://brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20220220q1cewf)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 21, 2022, 07:03:53 AM
Don't blame me, I am only the messenger on this with regards to the spectator policy of NYU--

Some good news, starting tomorrow, family members on a pass list can resume watching their players play basketball at NYU home games.

The bad news-- this Friday's NYU men's basketball game vs Brandeis is being played at the smaller Brooklyn Athletic Facility rather than at "the Pope" at St. Francis College in Brooklyn.

Only 100 spectators will be allowed to attend Friday's men's contest-- (as well as the NYU women's contest the following afternoon vs Brandeis, which will also be played at the Brooklyn Athletic Faciility due to a DI men's basketball game being played at St.Francis College at the same time.)

The spectators are restricted to mostly members of the NYU internal community (NYU Students, Faculty, Staff, and Administrators).

Only up to 2 family members per NYU basketball player will be allowed on a pass list-- No one from Brandeis will be able to attend Friday's game in person.

To get on the pass list, the family members must contact Coach Dagan Nelson in the case of the men, or coach Meg Barber in the case of the women.  It does say that the contact must be done ASAP, as ideally each coach needs at least 5 days advance notice of any request to be added on to the pass list.

Access at the Brooklyn Athletic Facility is restricted to the bleacher area and restrooms.  No food/beverage allowed at the Brooklyn Athletic Facility and high quality masks (surgical, KN95, N95, or KF94 masks) must be worn inside the building at all times.

For the Sunday, Feb. 27 game between the NYU men and the Brandeis men at Auerbach Arena in Waltham, MA-- there is no limit on spectators allowed inside Gosman Center.  Each spectator must complete and pass a self-screening Brandeis Daily Health Assessment questionnaire on the morning of the game.  Each spectator must also wear a high quality mask (surgical, KN95, N95 or KF94 mask) inside Auerbach Arena at all times.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 21, 2022, 09:42:48 AM
Going into the final week of the UAA season--

Top 5 scorers in UAA play (listed with PPG in UAA play, PPG overall, and overall rank among UAA players)

1.)  Matthew Schner, Emory-- 24.6 PPG in UAA play, 22.9 PPG overall, #1 overall among UAA players.
2.)  Jack Nolan, Wash U-- 22.8 PPG in UAA play, 21.4 PPG overall, #2 overall among UAA players.
3.)  Bobby Hawkinson, NYU-- 20.9 PPG in UAA play, 20.2 PPG overall, #3 overall among UAA players.
4.)  Mitch Prendergast, CWRU-- 18.8 PPG in UAA play, 17.4 PPG overall, #4 overall among UAA players.
5.)  Tommy Eastman, Brandeis-- 16.7 PPG in UAA play, 16.7 PPG overall, #5 overall among UAA players.

Top 5 rebounders in UAA play (listed with RPG in UAA play, RPG overall, and overall rank in rebounding among UAA players).

1.)  Bobby Hawkinson, NYU-- 12.9 RPG in UAA play, 13.3 RPG overall, #1 overall among UAA players.
2.)  R.J. Holmes, CMU-- 8.5 RPG in UAA play, 8.8 RPG overall, #2 overall among UAA players.
3.)  Matthew Schner, Emory-- 7.5 RPG in UAA play, 8.4 RPG overall, #3 overall among UAA players.
4.)  Zach Munson, Chicago-- 7.1 RPG in UAA play, 5.9 RPG overall, #11 overall among UAA players.
5.)  Tommy Eastman, Brandeis-- 6.8 RPG in UAA play, 7.6 RPG overall, #4 overall among UAA players.

Top 5 "dime droppers" in UAA play (listed with APG in UAA play, APG overall, and overall rank in APG among UAA players)

1.)  Nick Stuck, Emory--  6.2 APG in UAA play, 5.9 APG overall, #2 overall among UAA players.
2.)  Griffin Kornaker, CWRU-- 5.8 APG in UAA play, 6.3 APG overall, #1 overall among UAA players.
3.)  Josh Berry, CMU-- 3.8 APG in UAA play, 4.0 APG overall, #3 overall among UAA players.
4.)  Bobby Hawkinson, NYU-- 3.7 APG in UAA play, 2.9 APG overall, #7 overall among UAA players.
5.)  Ross Gang, Rochester-- 3.1 APG in UAA play, 3.4 APG overall, T-4 overall with Matthew Schner among UAA players.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 21, 2022, 01:49:35 PM
Schedule for the final week of the UAA season--

Wednesday, February 23, 2022--

1.)  UAA game-- Brandeis at Carnegie Mellon-- 5 PM Eastern tip.

Game originally scheduled to be played on Friday, January 14, 2022 at Auerbach Arena in Waltham, MA-- Game moved to Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh, PA.

2.)  Non-conference game-- Rochester at Alfred State-- 7 PM Eastern tip.

Make-up game for game originally scheduled to be played on January 2, 2022 between Rochester and DePauw to be played at DePauw.

Last game of the season for the Alfred State Pioneers.

Alfred State enters the contest at 8-16, 4-12 in the AMCC.  The Pioneers finished tied for 7th with Pitt-Bradford in their conference and did not qualify for the AMCC tournament.  (Only the top 6 in the AMCC qualified for the conference tournament.)

Thursday, February 24, 2022

UAA contest-- Wash U at Chicago-- 6 PM Central/7 PM Eastern

Game originally scheduled for Saturday, January 8, 2022

Friday, February 25, 2022

UAA contest-- Brandeis at NYU-- Tip at 6 PM Eastern from Brooklyn Athletic Facility.

Game originally scheduled for Saturday, February 26, 2022.

Saturday, February 26, 2022--

All games scheduled for 1 PM Central/2 PM Eastern tip.

1.)  Rochester at Emory
2.)  Carnegie Mellon at Case Western Reserve
3.)  Chicago at Wash U

Sunday, Feb. 27, 2022

(UAA contest, even though not marked as such on UAA schedule due to scrivener's error)-- NYU at Brandeis-- 1 PM Eastern

Game originally scheduled for Saturday, January 8, 2022
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 22, 2022, 04:32:20 PM
Regional rankings now out for this week.

6 UAA men's basketball teams are now considered regionally ranked for selection purposes this season.

1.)  Brandeis-- #6 in Region 2. 
2.)  Rochester-- #2 in Region 3.
3.)  NYU-- #5 in Region 4.
4.)  Emory-- #3 in Region 6.  (Emory is the UAA AQ to the NCAAs.).
5.)  Case Western Reserve-- #4 in Region 7.
6.)  Wash U-- #3 in Region 8.

D3Hoops.com has now posted the rankings on the website:

d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-second (http://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-second)

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2022, 05:56:26 AM
Congratulations to Matthew Schner of Emory on both being named UAA Athlete of the Week in men's basketball and on making it to the D3Hoops.com Team of the Week once again:

Feb. 21 UAA AOW in men's basketball-- uaasports.info/information/aow/022122 (http://uaasports.info/information/aow/022122)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 23, 2022, 12:50:49 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 22, 2022, 04:32:20 PM
Regional rankings now out for this week.

6 UAA men's basketball teams are now considered regionally ranked for selection purposes this season.

1.)  Brandeis-- #6 in Region 2. 
2.)  Rochester-- #3 in Region 3.
3.)  NYU-- #5 in Region 4.
4.)  Emory-- #3 in Region 6.  (Emory is the UAA AQ to the NCAAs.).
5.)  Case Western Reserve-- #4 in Region 7.
6.)  Wash U-- #3 in Region 8.

D3Hoops.com has now posted the rankings on the website:

d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-second (http://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-second)

Not sure if it was changed, but I see Rochester at #2 now.

Realistically, what are we looking at for the UAA? Emory and CWR for sure? Rochester in if they beat Emory? Even if Oswego falls to Pool C, Rochester will be at the table pretty early. CWR could be at the table fairly early with Marietta, Mount Union and Wabash ahead of them. Does Wash U have to win both games vs Chicago for a shot behind IWU and Wheaton (IL)?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2022, 01:13:18 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 23, 2022, 12:50:49 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 22, 2022, 04:32:20 PM
Regional rankings now out for this week.

6 UAA men's basketball teams are now considered regionally ranked for selection purposes this season.

1.)  Brandeis-- #6 in Region 2. 
2.)  Rochester-- #3 in Region 3.
3.)  NYU-- #5 in Region 4.
4.)  Emory-- #3 in Region 6.  (Emory is the UAA AQ to the NCAAs.).
5.)  Case Western Reserve-- #4 in Region 7.
6.)  Wash U-- #3 in Region 8.

D3Hoops.com has now posted the rankings on the website:

d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-second (http://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-second)

Not sure if it was changed, but I see Rochester at #2 now.

Realistically, what are we looking at for the UAA? Emory and CWR for sure? Rochester in if they beat Emory? Even if Oswego falls to Pool C, Rochester will be at the table pretty early. CWR could be at the table fairly early with Marietta, Mount Union and Wabash ahead of them. Does Wash U have to win both games vs Chicago for a shot behind IWU and Wheaton (IL)?

I am to blame for the scrivener's error in my post.    Rochester is at #2 in Region 3 in the regional rankings, and I accidentally marked it as #3.

As for the UAA teams probably making it to the NCAA DIII tournament--

Emory in as AQ.

Both Brandeis and NYU being regionally ranked now helps Wash U in its resume. 

Drew Pasteur's bracketology projects Wash U to sweep Chicago to finish 18-7 and gives Wash U a 95% chance at a Pool C at this stage. (Strong contender).

CWRU is also a strong contender in Drew Pasteur's bracketology-- Drew Pasteur predicts an 89% chance of the Spartans making it in as a Pool C.

Next up is Rochester as a "bubble-in" team.  64% chance at a Pool C now according to Pasteur's bracketology.  Pool C chances go up if Rochester wins at Emory, because then Rochester will finish at 18-7 (a .720 winning pct.).  Pasteur has Rochester beating Alfred State tonight and losing at Emory.

Brandeis's win over Wash U moves the Judges to the wrong end of the bubble, but close enough that if the Judges go 3-0 this week, things get very interesting.  Brandeis still at "bubble-out" at this point-- Pasteur only gives Brandeis a 24% chance at a Pool C at this stage.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2022, 01:15:35 PM
Moved here to indicate that I have fixed my scrivener's error.  Rochester is at #2 in Region 3 this week, and I accidentally initially marked them at #3 in Region 3 in my original post.  Post now corrected.


Quote from: deiscanton on February 22, 2022, 04:32:20 PM
Regional rankings now out for this week.

6 UAA men's basketball teams are now considered regionally ranked for selection purposes this season.

1.)  Brandeis-- #6 in Region 2. 
2.)  Rochester-- #2 in Region 3.
3.)  NYU-- #5 in Region 4.
4.)  Emory-- #3 in Region 6.  (Emory is the UAA AQ to the NCAAs.).
5.)  Case Western Reserve-- #4 in Region 7.
6.)  Wash U-- #3 in Region 8.

D3Hoops.com has now posted the rankings on the website:

d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-second (http://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-second)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2022, 01:25:38 PM
Carnegie Mellon has declared for the 2022 ECAC DIII Men's Basketball Tournament.  A win in the next 2 games will put the Tartans with a final DIII record of .500 or better and most likely places them as a solid selection for the ECACs.

(For what it is worth.....)

2022 ECAC DIII Men's Basketball Declared Teams (http://ecacsports.com/sports/2018/2/2/MBB_0202181302.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 23, 2022, 01:32:49 PM
If CWRU beats CMU Saturday it will have won the most overall and UAA games in program history. If it loses to CMU a tournament bid is in jeopardy, I suspect.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2022, 01:52:00 PM
Games today--

UAA-- Brandeis at Carnegie Mellon-- 5 PM Eastern tip at Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh.

Brandeis comes in today at 12-9, 3-7 in the UAA. (#6 in Region 2)

Carnegie Mellon comes in today at 11-11, 4-8 in the UAA. (unranked in Region 7).

(Make up game for the game originally scheduled to be played Friday, January 14, at Brandeis-- Game moved to Carnegie Mellon.)

Non-conference game:  Rochester at Alfred State-- 7 PM Eastern tip from Alfred, NY.

Rochester comes in at 16-7 (#2 in Region 3)

Alfred State comes in at 8-16. (unranked in Region 7-- Did not qualify for the AMCC tournament.)

(Make up game for the game originally scheduled to be played Sunday, January 2, between Rochester and DePauw-- to be played at DePauw in Greencastle, Indiana.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2022, 05:19:43 PM
Due to the loss of the video streaming feed with 13:52 left in the first half in Pittsburgh, I am following the live stats of Brandeis at Carnegie Mellon, which is working.

Brandeis is leading over Carnegie Mellon, 11-10, with 7:36 remaining in the first half at Wiegand Gym.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2022, 05:24:11 PM
The live video streaming feed from Pittsburgh is now back and running.

Brandeis leading over Carnegie Mellon, 18-10, with 5:21 remaining in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2022, 05:43:10 PM
Halftime at Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh--

Brandeis 23, Carnegie Mellon 18

For Brandeis-- Darret Justice, Sam Nassar, and Toby Harris each have a team leading 5 points a piece.  Nolan Hagerty follows with 4 points.

Toby Harris and Aedan Using each have a team leading 3 rebounds a piece for Brandeis.

Sam Nassar leads the Judges with 2 assists.

For Carnegie Mellon-- Jack Stone leads with a game high 6 points, followed by R.J. Holmes with 5 points and Sean Oberman with 3 points.

Kevin Sax has a game high 8 rebounds so far for the Tartans.

Jack Stone, Kevin Sax, Josh Berry, and Aidan Murphy each has 1 assist for Carnegie Mellon.

Brandeis shot 10-29 from the field (34.5%), 2-10 from 3 pt range (20%), and 1-1 from the FT line.

Carnegie Mellon shot 7-25 from the field (28%), 3-7 from 3 pt range (42.9%), and 1-4 from the FT line (25%).

Brandeis outrebounding CMU 20-18 so far, 5-4 on the offensive glass.

Brandeis made 5 assists and committed 9 turnovers-- 4 of which were as a result of CMU steals.

Carnegie Mellon made 4 assists and committed 9 turnovers-- 3 of which were as a result of Brandeis steals.

Points off turnovers-- Brandeis leads, 9-3.

Points in the paint-- Brandeis leads, 14-8

Second chance points-- Brandeis leads, 7-2

Bench points-- Brandeis leads, 12-6.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2022, 06:21:28 PM
Brandeis leading over Carnegie Mellon, 63-36, with 2:53 left in regulation.

Brandeis is poised to improve to 6th place in the UAA standings, while Carnegie Mellon will drop to last place.  NYU will come into Friday in 7th place in the UAA.

Carnegie Mellon will need to win in Cleveland on Saturday to become ECAC tournament eligible.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2022, 06:37:45 PM
Final from Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh--

Brandeis 66, Carnegie Mellon 44

Brandeis improves to 13-9, 4-7 in the UAA-- 6th place in the UAA.  Brandeis clinches a winning season.

Carnegie Mellon drops to 11-12, 4-9 in the UAA-- last place in the UAA.

NYU comes into the home and home weekend series vs Brandeis at 7th place in the UAA.

For Brandeis-- Dylan Lien and Collin Sawyer led Brandeis with team high 12 points a piece.  Toby Harris followed with 11 points, and Tommy Eastman scored 9 points for the Judges today.

Nolan Hagerty had a team high 6 rebounds, while Sam Nassar led with a game high 4 assists.

For Carnegie Mellon-- Jack Stone had a game high 17 points, folllowed by R.J. Holmes with 7 points, and Kevin Sax with 6 points and a game high 13 rebounds.

Josh Berry had 3 assists for the Tartans.

Brandeis shot 27-56 from the field for the game (48.2%), 11-24 from 3 pt range (45.8%), and 1-1 from the FT line.

Carnegie Mellon shot 18-60 from the field (30%), 4-16 from 3 pt range (25%), and 4-11 from the FT line (36.4%).

Brandeis outrebounded Carnegie Mellon 40-34, but CMU outrebounded Brandeis 10-5 on the offensive glass.

Brandeis made 17 assists and committed 16 turnovers-- 9 of which were as a result of CMU steals.

Carnegie Mellon made 9 assists and committed 12 turnovers-- 5 of which were as a result of Brandeis steals.

Points off turnovers-- Brandeis won that category, 15-9

Points in the paint-- Carnegie Mellon won that category, 28-24

Second chance points-- Carnegie Mellon won that category, 10-7

Bench points-- Brandeis won that category, 30-24.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2022, 07:43:22 PM
Halftime in Alfred, NY--

Rochester 52, Alfred State 32

This is a makeup game to replace the game initially scheduled between Rochester and DePauw, but was not able to be played on Sunday, January 2, 2022.

For Rochester-- Brian Amabilino Perez leading with a game high 13 points, followed by Andrew Jackson with 10 points, Trent Noordsij with 6 points, and Matt Wiele also with 6 points.

Brian Amabilino Perez and Dan Masino each lead Rochester with game high 5 rebounds a piece.

Dan Masino has 4 assists.

For Alfred State-- Paris Jamison leading with a team high 7 points, followed by Ben Reding and Donte jones with 6 points a piece, and Basheem Wilkerson with 5 points.

Tavion Williams leading Alfred State with 3 rebounds, while Paris Jamison and Josh Romero each have 2 assists.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2022, 08:45:50 PM
Final from Alfred, NY in non-conference play;

Rochester 100, Alfred State 66

Rochester improves to 17-7, finishes with a record of 9-2 in non-conference play this regular season.

Alfred State finishes their season at 8-17.

For Rochester-- 6 players scored in double figures:  Brian Amabilino Perez with 18 points, Andrew Jackson with 16 points, Matt Niemczura and Matt Wiele with 14 points a piece, Trent Noordsij with 11 points, and Dan Masino with 10 points and a game high 9 rebounds.

Ross Gang had a game high 8 assists.

For Alfred State-- Paris Jamison and Basheem Wilkerson with team high 11 points a piece.  Josh Reding and Donte Jones follow with 8 points each.

Jamison, Reding, and Jones each had 3 rebounds, while Josh Romero had 4 assists.

Rochester shot 40-71 from the field (56.3%), 10-18 from 3 pt range (55.6%), and 10-14 from the FT line (71.4%).

Alfred State shot 22-67 from the field (35.5%), 10-27 from 3 pt range (37%), and 12-16 from the FT line (75%).

Rochester outrebounded Alfred State 45-31, 13-10 on the offensive glass.

Rochester made 27 assists and committed 14 turnovers-- 6 of which were as a result of Alfred State steals.

Alfred State made 13 assists and committed 17 turnovers-- 10 of which were as a result of Rochester steals.

Points off turnovers-- Alfred State won that category, 19-14.

Points in the paint-- Rochester won that category, 60-22.

Second chance points-- Rochester won that category, 13-7.

Bench points-- Rochester won that category, 40-33.






































Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 24, 2022, 06:43:38 PM
Tonight--

UAA contest-- Wash U at Chicago--

Tip at the top of the hour at 6 PM Central/7 PM Eastern.

Game originally scheduled to be played on Saturday, January 8, but was postponed due to COVID-19 issues involving the Chicago program on that day.

Wash U comes into today's contest at 16-7, 6-6 in the UAA (#3 in Region 8)

Chicago comes into today's contest at 10-13, 5-7 in the UAA.

Winner moves into (or remains at) 4th place in the UAA standings, while the loser will either remain at 5th place or drop into 5th place in the UAA.

Team news for Wash U-- Wash U will be using the same starting lineup as was used in last Sunday's game at Brandeis, with #20 Drake Kindsvater getting a second start.  He joins Hayden Doyle, Jack Nolan, Kevin Davet, and Charlie Jacob in the starting five.   
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 24, 2022, 07:11:02 PM
Wash U 16, Chicago 2  12 min left in first half.

Wash U shooting 7-15 from the field, 2-5 from 3 pt range.

Chicago shooting 1-13 from the field, 0-9 from 3 pt range.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 24, 2022, 07:33:08 PM
Halftime at Ratner Center in Chicago--

Wash U 38, Chicago 18
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 24, 2022, 08:04:35 PM
Wash U 55, Chicago 33 8:55 left to go in regulation at Ratner Center in Chicago.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 24, 2022, 08:41:44 PM
Final from the Ratner Center in Chicago, IL--

Wash U 71, Chicago 46

Wash U improves to 17-7, 7-6 in the UAA-- remains in 4th place in the standings.

With that win, Wash U's final winning percentage will be guaranteed to remain above .667-- the historical benchmark for a winning percentage to be adequate for a Pool C selection-- other than UW-Oshkosh in 2017 which got picked for a Pool C with a winning percentage of .630 (17-10 record), no other D3 team to my memory has gotten an at-large Pool C bid when their final winning percentage is below .667.

Chicago drops to 10-14, 5-8 in the UAA-- remains in 5th place in the UAA standings.

For Wash U-- Kevin Davet led with a game high 18 points.  Charlie Jacob had a double double with 15 points and a game high 10 rebounds, and Jack Nolan had 15 points and 4 rebounds.

Hayden Doyle had a game high 4 assists to lead Wash U.

For Chicago-- Bryce Hopkins lead with a team high 12 points.  Brandon Beckman had 8 points, and Thomas Kurowski had 7 points for the Maroons.

Zach Munson had a team high 8 rebounds, while Bryce Hopkins made a team high 2 assists.

Wash U shot 29-63 from the field (46%), 9-23 from 3 pt range (39.1%), and 4-4 from the FT line (100%).

Chicago shot 17-60 from the field (28.3%), 4-28 from 3 pt range (14.3%), and 8-11 from the FT line (72.7%).

Wash U outrebounded Chicago 44-35, but Chicago outrebounded Wash U 8-7 on the offensive glass.

Wash U made 11 assists and committed 9 turnovers-- only 1 of which was a result of a Chicago steal.

Chicago made 5 assists and committed 10 turnovers-- 8 of which were results of Wash U steals.

Points off turnovers-- Wash U won that category, 19-4.

Points in the paint-- Wash U won that category, 38-12.

Second chance points-- Wash U won that category, 11-4.

Bench points-- Chicago won that category, 13-12.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2022, 03:03:49 PM
UAA Men's Basketball games for this final weekend--

Tonight (Friday, Feb. 25)-- Tip at 6 PM Eastern

Brandeis at NYU-- (First of a 2 game home and home series this weekend)

Game being played at the Brooklyn Athletic Facility-- first (and hopefully last) time that a UAA Men's Basketball game will have to be played in that building.  (Former home of former Skyline conference team Polytechnic U/NYU Poly Bluejays.)  Former Polytechnic U/NYU Poly campus now known as the campus of NYU Tandon School of Engineering.

Capacity limited to 100 spectators in-person:  Only approved NYU students, faculty, staff, adminstrators, and up to 2 family members per NYU basketball player (as shown on a pass list) allowed inside the building.  No outside spectators from Brandeis allowed to attend tonight's game per NYU Spectator Policy specifically designed for this facility and which took effect this week.

On the other hand, it is a decent court to watch on streaming video-- team1sports.com/nyu (http://team1sports.com/nyu)

Game moved up from Saturday to accomodate the 2 game series.

Saturday, February 26, 2022

Tip at 1 PM Central/2 PM Eastern

1.)  Rochester at Emory
2.)  Carnegie Mellon at Case Western Reserve
3.)  Chicago at Wash U

Sunday, February 27, 2022

NYU at Brandeis-- Tip at 1 PM Eastern-- Make up game of game originally scheduled to be played Saturday January 8, but got postponed due to COVID-19 issues affecting the Brandeis men's basketball team.

Spectators welcome at Auerbach Arena-- All visitors to Brandeis need to fill out a COVID-19 self screening form day of game and wear a mask inside Auerbach Arena at all times.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2022, 06:01:36 PM
The Brandeis at NYU feed started at 5:50 PM Eastern, so that NYU Men's Basketball Senior Day ceremonies could be streamed.

NYU's 5 seniors-- Harrison Whatley, Bobby Hawkinson, Alex Maticiuc, Riley Demps, and Nick Macarchuk, all got honored today.

As per NYU tradition, all 5 seniors are in the NYU starting lineup today.

No changes in the Brandeis starting 5 from Wednesday night's game at Carnegie Mellon.



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2022, 06:54:34 PM
Halftime at the Brooklyn Athletic Facility--

Brandeis 29, NYU 28

For Brandeis-- Nolan Haggerty leads with a team high 11 points, followed by Austin Clamage with 8 points, and Toby Harris with 5 points.

Nolan Haggerty leads Brandeis with 6 rebounds, while Collin Sawyer and Aedan Using each have 2 assists a piece for the Judges.

For NYU-- Bobby Hawkinson leads with a game high 16 points, followed by Riley Demps with 4 points, while Nick Macarchuk and Cinque Stephens each have 3 points a piece.

Bobby Hawkinson leads NYU with 6 rebounds, and has 1 assist.  Cinque Stephens also has an assist.

Brandeis shot 12-24 from the field (50%), 3-10 from 3 pt range (30%), and 2-2 from the FT line (100%).

NYU shot 9-26 from the field (34.6%), 1-9 from 3 pt range (11.1%), and 9-11 from the FT line (81.8%).

Brandeis is outrebounding NYU so far, 17-13, but NYU outrebounded Brandeis 4-3 on the offensive glass in the first half.

Brandeis made 8 assists and committed 11 turnovers-- 3 of which were as a result of NYU steals.

NYU made 2 assists and committed 6 turnovers-- 4 of which were as a result of Brandeis steals.

Points off turnovers-- NYU leads, 15-5.

Points in the paint-- Even at 16-16.

Second chance points-- NYU leads, 6-3.

Bench points-- Even at 5-5.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2022, 08:15:25 PM
Final from the Brooklyn Athletic Facility--

Brandeis 76, NYU 72

Brandeis improves to 14-9, 5-7 in the UAA (Brandeis moves to 5th place in the UAA standings.)

NYU drops to 14-10, 4-9 in the UAA (tied for 7th with Carnegie Mellon).

For Brandeis--

Nolan Haggerty led with a double double-- a team high 21 points and 12 rebounds, followed by Austin Clamage with 13 points, and Collin Sawyer with 12 points.

Collin Sawyer, Sam Nassar, and Nolan Haggerty each had 3 assists a piece for the Judges.

For NYU--

Bobby Hawkinson led with a double double as well, but it was a game high 36 points and 17 rebounds.

Nikola Lipovic and Zay Freeney followed with 8 points a piece.

Zay Freeney had 3 assists.

Brandeis shot 21-42 from the field (50%), 8-18 from 3 pt range (44.4%), and 26-36 from the FT line (72.2%).

NYU shot 23-56 from the field (41.1%), 6-23 from 3 pt range (26.1%), and 20-27 from the FT line (74.1%).

Brandeis outrebounded NYU 35-30, but NYU outrebounded Brandeis 10-8 on the offensive glass.

Brandeis made 14 assists and committed 16 turnovers-- 6 of which were as a result of NYU steals.

NYU made 9 assists and committed 9 turnovers-- 6 of which were as a result of Brandeis steals.

Points off turnovers-- NYU won that category, 25-14

Points in the paint-- NYU won that category, 30-24

Second chance points-- NYU won that category, 17-13

Bench points-- NYU won that category, 26-17

The second meeting of the home and home series is on Sunday at 1 PM Eastern at Auerbach Arena in Waltham, MA.  This will be the final UAA men's basketball game of the season.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 26, 2022, 02:44:00 PM
Halftime scores today--

1.)  Wash U 31, Chicago 28

2.)  Carnegie Mellon 45, Case Western Reserve 35

3.)  Emory 36, Rochester 34
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 26, 2022, 03:33:30 PM
Final score from Edwards Fahey Court in St. Louis--

Wash U 70, Chicago 59

Justin Hardy got to play the final minute of the game, and Chicago gave Justin Hardy Wash U's final 2 points of the game to honor his battle with stage 4 stomach cancer.

Justin Hardy obviously not fit to play meaningful minutes right now due to his undergoing treatment.

Praying for you, Justin. I am very touched that you got to take the court today.  Life is short, make the most of it.  #hardystrong
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 26, 2022, 03:49:19 PM
Rochester lost today. They were #2 ranked team in Region 3. Are they safe?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: stlawus on February 26, 2022, 03:57:29 PM
They shouldn't be.  They have 8 losses.  You can argue about SOS all you want, 8 losses are 8 losses.  At some point losses have to count for something.   
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 26, 2022, 04:02:55 PM
I think Oshkosh got in with 10 losses a few years ago, just saying.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 26, 2022, 04:03:20 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 26, 2022, 03:49:19 PM
Rochester lost today. They were #2 ranked team in Region 3. Are they safe?

Final scores in men:

Emory 76, Rochester 74

Case Western Reserve 92, Carnegie Mellon 83

In other news, we just had 2 teams whose bubbles will be popping now, as Skidmore sent RPI to the Pool C table in the Liberty League semifinals in Region 3 (Rochester's region) and Keene State won the Little East AQ over UMass-Dartmouth in OT in Region 2. (Brandeis's region).

I do not know about Rochester, but whatever chances Brandeis may have had are probably over now.  Never mind that there seems to be a consensus now from people that I have talked to that the DIII Men's Basketball Committee made a gross mistake in selecting UW-Oshkosh for a Pool C in the 2016-17 season (.630 winning pct (17-10), SOS over .600, 5-7 vs RRO) and that a minimum .667 winning percentage should be the absolute floor for teams to even be considered for Pool C selection-- contrary to then national chair Kevin van der Streek's comments at the time of the pick of Oshkosh.

I knew that the mistake made in the 2016-17 season was the slavish devotion to a .03 difference in SOS being equivalent to 2 wins in the winning pct, so that formula no longer gets followed. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 26, 2022, 04:09:03 PM
Quote from: stlawus on February 26, 2022, 03:57:29 PM
They shouldn't be.  They have 8 losses.  You can argue about SOS all you want, 8 losses are 8 losses.  At some point losses have to count for something.

But Rochester is still at a .680 winning percentage at 17-8, which is above the historical .667 WP "floor" to be considered for Pool C selection.  Rochester also lost to an RRO, the UAA AQ, at the AQ's home gym today.

Further, RPI, which came in at #3 in Region 3 (Rochester is at #2 in Region 3), also lost today to unranked Skidmore in the Liberty League semifinals, so Rochester will probably remain ahead of RPI in the Region 3 rankings when the selections take place.

There seems to be a consensus now that the UW-Oshkosh pick in the 2016-17 season (17-10, winning pct .630, SOS .601, 5-7 v RRO, lost in WIAC title game to River Falls) was a major error by the DIII Men's Basketball Committee at that time.  There was a formula at that time in DIII men's hoop that equated a .03 difference in SOS to 2 adjusted wins in winning pct., which was dropped after the Oshkosh selection. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 26, 2022, 04:38:52 PM
UAA Men's Basketball Standings coming into Sunday--

1.)  Emory (UAA AQ)-- 12-2 in UAA, 19-5 overall
2.)  Case Western Reserve-- 8-5 in UAA, 18-6 overall.
T-3.)  Wash U-- 8-6 in the UAA, 18-7 overall.
T-3.)  Rochester-- 8-6 in the UAA, 17-8 overall.
5.)  Brandeis-- 5-7 in the UAA, 14-9 overall (1 game left to play).
6.)  Chicago-- 5-9 in the UAA, 10-15 overall.
7.)  NYU-- 4-9 in the UAA, 14-10 overall
8.)  Carnegie Mellon-- 4-10 in the UAA, 11-13 overall.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 26, 2022, 05:01:25 PM
I got a response from Professor Drew Pasteur through his twitter handle to your question:

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 26, 2022, 03:49:19 PM
Rochester lost today. They were #2 ranked team in Region 3. Are they safe?

Drew Pasteur says that Rochester is an interesting case for the bubble, but that the Yellowjackets are on the good side of the bubble and will get in.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 26, 2022, 05:26:58 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 26, 2022, 05:01:25 PM
I got a response from Professor Drew Pasteur through his twitter handle to your question:

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 26, 2022, 03:49:19 PM
Rochester lost today. They were #2 ranked team in Region 3. Are they safe?

Drew Pasteur says that Rochester is an interesting case for the bubble, but that the Yellowjackets are on the good side of the bubble and will get in.

However, since I last posted this, Prof. Pasteur has done another 2000 sim run which he just posted a little over a 1/2 hour ago at 4:50 PM Eastern-- Saturday, Feb. 26, 2022.

Most recent bracketology analysis by Prof. Pasteur has both Brandeis and Rochester as "bubble-out" with Brandeis currently at a 49% chance at a Pool C bid and Rochester at a 37% chance at a Pool C bid.

Simulation run confirms the bid thieves from the Little East (Keene State won the AQ) and the Liberty League (winner of LL title game between Skidmore and winner of semifinal between Ithaca and Vassar)--

RPI now at "strong contender" status at 84% chance at a Pool C-- lost in today's LL semifinals.

UMass-Dartmouth is a Pool C lock at 100%.

UAA Pool C teams that should get in, according to Prof. Pasteur's bracketology--

1.)    Wash U-- 99% chance at a Pool C-- Pool C lock.
2.)    Case Western Reserve-- 90% chance at a Pool C-- "strong contender".

fantastic50.net/d3h_men.html (http://fantastic50.net/d3h_men.html)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 27, 2022, 06:52:31 AM
Latest run by Drew Pasteur's NCAA D3 Men's Bracketology with 2000 sims at 10:06 PM Eastern Saturday, Feb. 26, 2022--

Overnight, no bid thief came out of the NWC, as favored team Whitworth easily won the conference AQ from that league, preventing Whitman from popping someone's bubble.

Elmhurst also defeated North Central to win the CCIW AQ and prevented a bid thief from coming out of that league, preventing North Central from popping someone's bubble.

So, my understanding is that with 4 potential bid thief games left to play today, only the 2 bid thieves from yesterday afternoon out of the Liberty League (Region 3-- winner of Skidmore vs Vassar) and Little East (Region 2-- Keene State) currently exist for this year's tournament.

The remaining opportunities for bid thieves to emerge today, according to Prof. Pasteur:

1.)  MACC: #1 Eastern (97% C if needed) vs #2 Hood (15% C)
2.)  GNAC: #1 St. Joe's CT (100% C if needed) vs #2 Albertus Magnus (0% C)
3.)  ODAC: #1 Randolph-Macon (100% C if needed) vs #3 Virginia Wesleyan (0% C)
4.)  MIAC: #1 St. John's (84% C if needed) vs #6 MacAlester (0% C).

As a result, here are the latest Pool C chances of UAA teams needing them, according to Drew Pasteur:

1.)  Wash U-- 100% C (C#8 currently on Pasteur's bracketology)-- Lock

2.)  Case Western Reserve 97% C (C#12)-- "Strong contender"

3.)  Rochester-- 62% C (C#17)-- "Bubble in"

4.)  Brandeis-- 49% C (C#19)-- "Bubble in"

fantastic50.net/d3h_men.html (http://fantastic50.net/d3h_men.html)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 27, 2022, 07:29:03 AM
Just a comment on a "bid thief' coming out of the UAA--

Since the UAA does not have a conference tournament, and awards its AQ to the regular season champion-- the best team that schedules a double round robin and completes the best win/loss percentage through its 14 UAA games (barring extraordinary circumstances that force a cancellation of a UAA game that cannot be made up), in my opinion, I don't think that this scenario of a UAA team stealing someone else's Pool C bid would ever occur in the UAA.

So, Rochester is a bubble team because it lost to Emory yesterday, and if it beat Emory yesterday, their Pool C chances would have increased, but Emory had already clinched the AQ out of the UAA win or lose, so Rochester was already a Pool C candidate.  Therefore, the battle is between 2 teams vying for a Pool C bid-- so the term "bid thief" would not apply-- I use that term "bid thief" to refer to a team with virtually no chance at a Pool C winning the AQ by beating a Pool C lock in the semifinals or championship game of a conference tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 27, 2022, 07:52:31 AM
Okay, I will be at Auerbach Arena today to watch NYU at Brandeis-- and I am rooting for a Brandeis win today so that I can keep an interesting debate/discussion going tonight.

If NYU wins today, I promise not to mention the Oshkosh 2016-17 season tonight.... (Interestingly enough, Pat Juckem coached the Oshkosh Titans that season.)

To quote former NYU women's basketball coach and current Associate Athletic Director Janice Quinn as she stated back over 20 years ago:  "We still have the opportunity when the ball goes up to win. That's non-political.  That's non-bureaucratic.  That's up to us."--

Violet Behavior by Alisa Solomon-- January 30, 2001-- The Village Voice

villagevoice.com/2001/01/30/violet-behavior (http://villagevoice.com/2001/01/30/violet-behavior)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 27, 2022, 01:59:15 PM
An incredible game in St. Louis yesterday with a powerful ending.

The game is worth watching but if you do not want to take the time, just watch the ending or the video from local sports journalist Frank Cusumano (second link).

Lot's of respect to Chicago who understood the moment and handled it like gentlemen.

https://portal.stretchinternet.com/wustl/portal.htm?eventId=685977&streamType=video

https://twitter.com/Frank_Cusumano/status/1497693689631711236?s=20&t=7E_gWGXHpX6XEAZX0qxlxQ

By the way, the extent to which freshmen impacted the outcome of this game cannot be overstated.  The UAA is going to look so incredibly different as the league will graduate a ton of seniors, but the Bears are deep.  Washington University should be a favorite for the title yet again next season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2022, 09:36:31 PM
It was great that Frank Cusumano got that out into social media to help draw some attention to that moving moment, and perhaps to the larger story of Justin Hardy in general.

But, man, the real story in terms of video was on the Wash U broadcast. Jay Murry did a great job on the call as he struggled to keep it together. I would've been a mess if I had been the PBP broadcaster calling that moment. Heck, I was in tears watching it, and I'm just a casual observer without the long-term emotional investment in Justin's story that the Wash U people have.

Stay strong, Justin.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on February 28, 2022, 12:10:52 AM
Thank you Greg for the compliment.  You know as well as I do that when you work in athletics at a university for many years, that teams become family to you, and student-athletes are like your nieces and nephews.  So, when someone in the family is fighting for his or her life, it becomes very emotional.

I was given word about a half-hour before the game that Justin Hardy would be dressed out for Senior Day, but wouldn't play.  I noticed by watching him closely on the court in the last three weeks that his condition had gotten worse; and that was underscored by the team keeping Justin at home while his teammates went on the road and knowing that he wouldn't be able to step on the court on Senior Day.  So, the broadcast became a bit more emotionally charged than I had hoped, even before the start of the game.

Play-by-play announcers are taught to be rather stoic and detached in emotional situations, mainly to make sure what you say is not muddled to the point where you can't be understood by listeners/viewers.  I struggled for sure when I saw Justin enter the game and run gingerly into the frontcourt after his inbound pass, and even further after Chicago's Bryce Hopkins let Justin step by him for the final points of the game.  But, when I saw U. of Chicago players come over at the final buzzer to give Justin hugs, I had to let some of the emotion out to avoid losing it altogether...and, to give the viewers a sense of what fans and teams were feeling at that moment.

I wondered after the game if I should've been more detached, but an email and a tweet from two people...a former administrator and a parent of a former men's basketball player...let me know that I made the right decision to allow some emotion to come into my description of the very end of that game yesterday.

Yes, prayers are needed for Justin and much appreciated.  He is having a rough go of it, in his battle with Stage 4 stomach cancer.

#HardyStrong
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Stretch4 on February 28, 2022, 11:43:18 AM
The call from Jay Murry on the Washington U broadcast is as genuine and heartfelt as it gets. An absolute must watch that brought this grown man to tears.  Thank you for capturing the moment perfectly and for further illustrating the courageousness and fight of this amazing young man.  Prayers for Justin and his family. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2022, 12:12:34 PM
Best part: "Justin Hardy, every time that I see him he always refers to me as 'Mr. Murry,' and ... big smile on his face, and asks me how I'm doing and how's the family, and I say, 'Well, we're fine, Justin, what about you?' and he says, 'Well, I'm living my best life.' He's able to dictate how he wants to live what's left of his life. We hope it's, you know, forty or fifty more years or longer."

#truerwordswereneverspoken
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 28, 2022, 02:15:20 PM
By Gosh it's Spartan v Spartan as CWRU faces Dubuque in Oshkosh
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 02, 2022, 01:47:20 PM
The 2021-22 All UAA Men's Basketball honors have been announced.

Congratulations to the honorees.

Player of the Year:  Matthew Schner, Emory

Defensive Player of the Year:  Charlie Jacob, Wash U

Rookie of the Year:  Hayden Doyle, Wash U

Sophomore Rookie of the Year:  R.J. Holmes, Carnegie Mellon

Coaching Staff of the Year:  Emory University (Head coach Jason Zimmerman).

First Team All UAA

1.)  Brian Amabilino Perez-- Rochester
2.)  Justin Hardy-- Wash U
3.)  Bobby Hawkinson-- NYU
4.)  Jack Nolan-- Wash U
5.)  Mitch Prendergast-- Case Western Reserve
6.)  Matthew Schner-- Emory
7.)  Nick Stuck-- Emory

Second Team All UAA

1.)  Brandon Beckman-- Chicago
2.)  Tommy Eastman-- Brandeis  (Note:  With that honor, Tommy Eastman has been named all Conference or all Association in three separate leagues in his college career.  He was named Second Team All SUNYAC in the 2017-18 season at SUNY-Geneseo, and he was also named Second Team All NESCAC in the 2019-20 season at Middlebury.)
3.)  Cole Frilling-- Case Western Reserve
4.)  Ross Gang-- Rochester
5.)  R.J. Holmes-- Carnegie Mellon
6.)  Charlie Jacob-- Wash U
7.)  Zach Munson-- Chicago
8.)  Collin Sawyer-- Brandeis

Honorable Mention

Nolan Hagerty-- Brandeis; Bryce Hopkins-- Chicago; Trent Noordsij-- Rochester; Hayden Doyle-- Wash U.

News release:   UAA Announces Men's Basketball All-Association Team; Matthew Schner of Emory Repeats as Player of the Year (http://uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/2022allassociationm)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 03, 2022, 10:07:30 AM
The Cleveland newspaper has a story on Case Western Reserve that offers details on how the team added transfers and more.  Also, this line, lol:

"The Oshkosh gym holds about 6,000 fans (actually 5,600)," McGuinness said. "They told us that we can only have 600 tickets for our fans. I mentioned we sometimes didn't get 600 for our homes games, so that should be fine."

https://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/2022/03/on-to-oshkosh-record-setting-case-western-reserve-team-still-has-tests-to-pass-terry-pluto.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 03, 2022, 11:36:06 AM
I believe in the past, Kolf used to host Oshkosh West vs Oshkosh North high school boy's basketball games, usually to full houses.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 05, 2022, 11:17:49 AM
All four UAA tams advance, but face significant second-round challenges.

Rochester V #2 Marietta
CWRU v #3 Oshkosh
#12 Emory v #15 Wabash
WashU v #18 Wheaton
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 05, 2022, 10:18:59 PM
Congratulations to the Case Western Reserve Spartans on not only being the sole survivor of the UAA men in the second round this season, but on also becoming the first CWRU basketball team (men or women) to successfully advance to the Sweet 16.

In 2002, the CWRU women, under then head coach (now Smith athletic director) Kristen Hughes, finished at 20-7 after being knocked out in the second round of the NCAA DIII women's basketball tournament by St. Lawrence (coached by a young G.P. Gromacki).  That year, CWRU defeated Mt. St. Mary in the first round in Newburgh, NY, before heading to Canton, NY for second round action in a field of 50 teams. (St. Lawrence had a first round bye that year, and advanced to the national championship game before losing to Stevens Point.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on March 05, 2022, 11:53:56 PM
Upset of the year.

I guess this is why they call it "March Madness!"
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 06, 2022, 07:32:24 AM
Horsburgh Gym is one of the four sectional round hosting sites, and I expect that Ron Jantz will be doing PxP commentary for the sectional this upcoming weekend. 

An unexpected, but welcome, turn of events.  I am looking forward to watching the action to see if CWRU can make it all the way to Fort Wayne.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 06, 2022, 11:25:12 AM
CWRU hosts because then only UMHB has to fly?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: scottiedawg on March 06, 2022, 11:37:07 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on March 06, 2022, 11:25:12 AM
CWRU hosts because then only UMHB has to fly?

I would think on merit hosting order would be Elmhurst, Case, Calvin?  So if Elmhurst didn't put into host, then you go to Case. Pretty sure any of Elmhurst, Case, Calvin--require just the lone MHB flight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2022, 12:07:02 PM

It's likely Elmhurst had a facility conflict.  I've heard from people who were there this weekend it was talked about that they couldn't host the second weekend, even before the second round games were underway.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 06, 2022, 01:54:53 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2022, 12:07:02 PM

It's likely Elmhurst had a facility conflict.  I've heard from people who were there this weekend it was talked about that they couldn't host the second weekend, even before the second round games were underway.

More likely a staffing conflict than a facility conflict. Elmhurst is hosting a softball doubleheader next Saturday -- EU plays softball in a public park that is well off campus -- and a men's lacrosse game on campus. Those two events, one of which isn't even on campus, will tax EU's human resource capacity in terms of game management as it is.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 09, 2022, 10:40:19 AM
Story on CWRU https://www.cleveland.com/sports/2022/03/case-westerns-amazing-run-memory-of-a-deceased-father-and-a-local-kid-delivers-terry-pluto.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 10, 2022, 08:43:53 AM
Rochester men's basketball announced yesterday, through a tweet, that there will be a UAA vs NESCAC Crossover Challenge in Men's Basketball with the first one taking place in December. 

Participating teams from the UAA-- Brandeis, Rochester, Emory, Carnegie Mellon

Participating teams from NESCAC-- Bowdoin, Bates, Colby, Middlebury

Given the teams that NESCAC is putting up, I would favor the UAA winning the first edition.  It all depends on the team lineups next season, though-- how many transfers and grad transfers come into the UAA next season, if any, to fill in for people who have finished their NCAA athletic eligiblity will be a factor.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 10, 2022, 09:30:51 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on March 09, 2022, 10:40:19 AM
Story on CWRU https://www.cleveland.com/sports/2022/03/case-westerns-amazing-run-memory-of-a-deceased-father-and-a-local-kid-delivers-terry-pluto.html

This is a great story.

I always liked Ryan Newton as a player and he was huge in that game against Oshkosh.

It is so wild to look at the roster as currently conceived.  They really are playing with only three guys who played substantial minutes in 2019-2020 and almost everyone else is a sophomore or transfer.  Has any other team in Division III done more with transfers than Case Western Reserve?  Is anyone even close?

The Spartans roster going in to next season is going to be Cole Frilling and guys that most fans have never heard of though obviously, they are getting good contributions from two sophomores.  Is it possible that McGuiness will bring in more transfers?  Not that it matters now.  The Spartans have games to win.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 10, 2022, 09:33:27 AM
At some point, I'll try to go through the rosters and project out to next season. 

The UAA is losing so many good players this season. 

They always do, though I think it seems like more given the relative strength of the league overall. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on March 11, 2022, 08:47:27 PM
Spartans with a rare halftime lead up 41-37 v UMHB. They avoided the last two minutes of the first half lull that has seen them down a bunch at the half in many games.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 21, 2022, 08:04:36 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on March 10, 2022, 09:33:27 AM
At some point, I'll try to go through the rosters and project out to next season. 

The UAA is losing so many good players this season. 

They always do, though I think it seems like more given the relative strength of the league overall.

Still waiting...just kidding.  ::) ??? ;D :)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 24, 2022, 01:23:36 PM
I did promise a summary of graduating seniors and projections for next season.  I may have to go team by team.  Please consider these to be rough drafts and subject to change.

Every team is going to look very different in 2022-2023.

Let's start with the two teams that played more seniors and graduate students than everyone else in the league.

Brandeis

The Judges lose Sawyer, Eastman, Clamage, Hagerty, Nassar, and Jones.

The return Lien from the starting line-up as well as Harris, Power, Justice, and Using.

Case Western Reserve

Few teams picked up more graduate transfer minutes than the Spartans this season.  They lose Hines, Kornaker and Prendergast along with seniors Newton and Faller.

They return Frilling along with three other players who averaged 10-15 minutes per game including Drenth, Florey and Thorburn.
___________________


Carnegie Mellon

Chicago

Emory

NYU

Rochester


Washington University

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 25, 2022, 01:00:38 PM
Carnegie Mellon

The Tartans return nearly everyone from a squad that started the season strong but went 1-6 to close out the season.  Returners include Holmes who averaged 16 points and 9 rebounds and will be a player of the year candidate next season. 

Nakasian, Stone, Oberman, Sax, and Berry represent a strong rotation of veteran players.

It has been a long time since the Tartans have finished in the Top 4, but realistically, that could happen next season
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on March 25, 2022, 05:26:22 PM
I really like Brandeis recruit Jake Bender, I think he could make a big impact next year.  I also think Harris is going to explode as a sophomore, he has a lot of talent.  That won't make up for all the veterans they lose, certainly, but those guys are nice pieces to build around ...

Seems likely that the UAA has one more year with a lot of graduate transfers joining programs, I imagine, right?  There are loads of good players who graduated but have a year of eligibility left ... and there are so many holes to fills across the league.  And the UAA has sick grad schools across the board.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ronk on March 25, 2022, 05:44:43 PM
Quote from: nescac1 on March 25, 2022, 05:26:22 PM
I really like Brandeis recruit Jake Bender, I think he could make a big impact next year.  I also think Harris is going to explode as a sophomore, he has a lot of talent.  That won't make up for all the veterans they lose, certainly, but those guys are nice pieces to build around ...

Seems likely that the UAA has one more year with a lot of graduate transfers joining programs, I imagine, right?  There are loads of good players who graduated but have a year of eligibility left ... and there are so many holes to fills across the league.  And the UAA has sick grad schools across the board.

  How about 3 more years - anyone who was a frosh in season 2020-2021?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 25, 2022, 05:53:37 PM
I thought the UAA would have more graduate transfers in 2021-2022, but after returning mostly to normal this season, maybe we will as many or more in 2022-2023.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 28, 2022, 06:11:48 AM
Video on ESPN about Justin Hardy.
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=33606658
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on April 07, 2022, 02:42:34 PM
Good-looking PG recruit for Emory:

https://twitter.com/necorridorhoops/status/1512112969970327553?s=20&t=MY768svaI6uTTNMvDQjNSA
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 10, 2022, 06:13:40 PM
Every team is going to look very different in 2022-2023.

Eventually, I'll get to every team and with more details...

Brandeis

The Judges lose Sawyer, Eastman, Clamage, Hagerty, Nassar, and Jones.

They return Lien from the starting line-up as well as Harris, Power, Justice, and Using.

Case Western Reserve

Few teams picked up more graduate transfer minutes than the Spartans this season.  They lose Hines, Kornaker and Prendergast along with seniors Newton and Faller.

They return Frilling along with three other players who averaged 10-15 minutes per game including Drenth, Florey and Thorburn.

Carnegie Mellon

The Tartans return nearly everyone from a squad that started the season strong but went 1-6 to close out the season.  Returners include Holmes who averaged 16 points and 9 rebounds and will be a player of the year candidate next season.

Nakasian, Stone, Oberman, Sax, and Berry represent a strong rotation of veteran players.

It has been a long time since the Tartans have finished in the Top 4, but realistically, that could happen next season

Chicago

Emory

The UAA champions recognized the graduation of the final three players of the vaunted class of 2021.  Schner, Stuck and Williams combined for nearly 50% of the offense, leading the team in points scored, assists and minutes played.  Schner led the team in rebounds.

First-years Shanahan and Martens averaged 8 or so points per game to lead the players sure to return.  The Eagles also return Johnson and Fried as seniors as well as Fallas who stood out in conference play.

In terms of returning players, this team will surely start the season outside the Top 25 unless they get others to return.  Lots of talent for sure, but unproven.

NYU

Rochester


Washington University
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 10, 2022, 09:32:09 PM
I think Prendergast has another year of eligibility. He redshirted as a freshman. Not sure if he's playing, but if his grad program is two years, he might be back.

Schner obviously could be back if he doesn't find a d1 program to his liking.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 10, 2022, 10:31:50 PM
I thought Schner was already covered in my previous post where he is quoted in an Atlanta newspaper as saying he may return.  Not to mention other posts.

In regards to Prendergast, he was honored as a graduating player after just one season, so I am making an assumption that he will not be back. 

From the release: Prior to the game, the Spartans honored their five graduating players, Newton, Faller, Kornaker, Prendergast, and graduate forward Brian Hines, as part of 'Senior Day.'
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 10, 2022, 11:39:11 PM
I did look and Prendergast was in a Master of Finance program according to his bio.  Those are typically 9-12 month programs.  I am not saying anything for sure, but I would not add him to my fantasy league team.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 11, 2022, 10:17:45 AM
NYU

NYU graduates Hawkinson, Demps, Macarchuk, Maticiuc, and Whatley from the senior class that helped NYU finish with a 4-10 league record and 14-10 overall.  This was definitely an improvement from two seasons ago when they went 1-13.

Hawkinson was clearly one of the best players in the country and was so incredibly dominate that it is hard to imagine they win any league games without him.  Hawkinson led the team in rebounding, for example.  The next best player averaged 3.2 rebounds per game.  Hawkinson scored over 20 points per game.  Only one other player averaged in double figures.

Freeney looks like the guy next season along with Sussman, but NYU is sure to be picked last or second to last in the pre-season poll again next season.

There were rumors of a coaching change on Twitter, but no announcement has been made as far as I know.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 11, 2022, 05:58:03 PM
Chicago

Chicago loses Beckman, Ryan Martin and Munson from the team that finished 10-15.  The Maroons had an inspiring 4-game win streak over Emory, Rochester, Carnegie Mellon and Brandeis and appeared to be the hottest team in the league before finishing the season 0-3.

The Maroons return just one starter in Hopkins but bring back Paschal and Kurowski who played their inaugural season and appear to be guys that could take a big step up next season.  Chicago will join NYU at the bottom of the pre-season rankings to kick-off next season, but who knows after play begins?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 11, 2022, 06:28:16 PM
Rochester

The Yellowjackets finished the season at 18-9 and nearly defeated Marietta thanks in part to Noordsij and Amabilino Perez who were two of three players to average in double-figures at 14 and 10 points per game.  Those are big losses though Gang and Kershner among others return.  If Algier and graduate transfer Masino return next season, they will compete for the championship and finish in the Top 3.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 12, 2022, 07:29:02 AM

I know Ambilino Perez has another year of eligibility and is being recruited hard to come back. I don't think it's likely to happen. Algier is expected to return. I'm not sure about Masino.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 12, 2022, 09:54:59 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 12, 2022, 07:29:02 AM

I know Ambilino Perez has another year of eligibility and is being recruited hard to come back. I don't think it's likely to happen. Algier is expected to return. I'm not sure about Masino.

Thanks Ryan! If Ambilino Perez returns along with Algier, Rochester will be No. 1 in the pre-season UAA poll and will surely be in the Top 20 nationally.  I know that the ceremonies do not matter, but for reference, Masino was not recognized on Senior Day while Ambilino Perez was.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on April 14, 2022, 08:17:30 AM
I think the UAA could have some major impact frosh next year.  In particular, Tyson Thomas, Emory; Will Grudzinski, Wash U; and Jake Bender, Brandeis are guys to watch (might be others too, these are just guys I know of who seem like very high-level recruits).  Yogi Oliff at Wash U also looks intriguing.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 14, 2022, 09:44:27 AM
Quote from: nescac1 on April 14, 2022, 08:17:30 AM
I think the UAA could have some major impact frosh next year.  In particular, Tyson Thomas, Emory; Will Grudzinski, Wash U; and Jake Bender, Brandeis are guys to watch (might be others too, these are just guys I know of who seem like very high-level recruits).  Yogi Oliff at Wash U also looks intriguing.

It should be a big year for those who are new or previously unknown to make a name for themselves.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on April 14, 2022, 10:37:21 AM
For sure WUPHF - tons of new faces in UAA, and for that matter CCIW too, next year. A soph to watch is Toby Harris at Brandeis.  He has a lot of tools for his size. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 26, 2022, 04:58:41 PM
I never did finish my recap and projections, but this is how I see the pre-season rankings in November in case anyone is curious.  This assumes the average level of incoming talent, excluding the possibility for transfers.

Rochester
Washington University
Carnegie Mellon
Emory
Case Western Reserve
Brandeis
Chicago
NYU

I think there is the potential for a three tiers with Rochester, Washington University and Carnegie Mellon competing for the championship.  The league may take a step down next season after a phenomenal 2021-2022, but it is all relative.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on May 14, 2022, 03:36:21 PM
Yet another UAA frosh to watch, NEPSAC class B POY Ben Pearce committed to Emory.  With Pearce and Tyson Thomas, Emory has a really interesting pair of ball-handling playmakers going forward.   Both seem like the type of player who was two inches away from a lot of D1 interest.  With Emory pretty decimated one the perimeter by graduation, I imagine both get a shot early. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on May 19, 2022, 11:34:11 AM
This is old news in the social media age, but NYU has hired Colgate assistant Dave Klatsky.

If I remember correctly...

Klatsky will be one of three current UAA coaches who were Division I assistants immediately prior.

Of the other head coaches, three were Division III head coaches prior to joining the UAA and two were Division III assistants.

https://gonyuathletics.com/news/2022/5/17/klatsky-named-15th-head-coach-of-nyu-mens-basketball.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on June 03, 2022, 06:09:21 PM
Big time Grad XFR to CWRU All-Region 5 1st Team PG from Susquehanna

https://twitter.com/dannyfrauenheim/status/1532475209697091601

If I recall correctly the grad transfers this coming season and last have all been for Masters in Finance
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 04, 2022, 08:18:22 PM
Brandeis, Carnegie Mellon and Rochester have schedules online.

Yellowjackets
https://uofrathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2022-23

Tartans
https://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/mbkb/2022-23/schedule

Judges
https://www.brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2022-23/schedule

The second weekend match-ups will be Brandeis and NYU at Washington University and Chicago and Carnegie Mellon and Case Western Reserve at Emory and Rochester.

Carnegie Mellon and Case Western Reserve will host Chicago and Washington University during the third weekend while Brandeis and NYU will host Emory and Rochester.

I still see Rochester and Washington University as the favorites and I think both teams will be excited to have home games in the second weekend.  Washington University should have a home game against Chicago for the first weekend, though Rochester will travel to Emory so there is that.

Interestingly, Rochester and Carnegie Mellon have a UAA / NESCAC challenge of sorts scheduled for December as the teams will play Bowdoin and Middlebury in Rochester.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 04, 2022, 09:44:27 PM

Rochester's SOS is going to be like .900.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ronk on July 04, 2022, 10:39:14 PM
 Was talking a few days ago with a Case Western player at the local fitness center. He was injured early in the season and designated the team manager so that he could travel with the team. Happy that they rose to be #12 in last season's final poll. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 04, 2022, 10:42:07 PM
Quote from: stlawus on July 04, 2022, 10:18:03 PM
Rochester loses 4 senior/5th year starters.  That is going to be difficult to overcome.

Carnegie Mellon is the only one that does not lose a lot in 2022-2023 so I see them finishing third next year.

As for Rochester, I do not know anyone at Rochester, but...

The only seniors that were honored this season were Isaiah Smith, Trent Noordsij, and Brian Amabilino-Perez according to the press release.  Ross Gang and Ryan Algier would be big-time returnees.

Dan Masino is in a two-year MBA program, so maybe he returns?

Mitchell Kershner, Matt Wiele, Andrew Jackson and Matt Niemczura among others should be back.  Those guys are good.

I think Rochester will be good relative to the league and probably a Top 25-30 team, but yeah, that SOS.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 04, 2022, 10:46:20 PM
Quote from: ronk on July 04, 2022, 10:39:14 PM
]Was talking a few days ago with a Case Western player at the local fitness center. He was injured early in the season and designated the team manager so that he could travel with the team. Happy that they rose to be #12 in last season's final poll.

Case Western Reserve was a great story for 2021-2022 and the ranking was well deserved.  They are a team that loses a lot, though they return Cole Frilling and obviously pick up a proven transfer.  Maybe they pick up more.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 05, 2022, 08:03:01 AM

I know Ambilino-Perez is the #1 offseason recruit for Rochester.  Rumor says Prendergast could be back for Case. Of course, the UAA will remain transfer central. It'll be interesting to see who's on the roster come October.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 05, 2022, 08:27:45 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 05, 2022, 08:03:01 AM
Rumor says Prendergast could be back for Case. Of course, the UAA will remain transfer central. It'll be interesting to see who's on the roster come October.

I thought you were crazy to suggest this, but he is still in the CWRU directory while others from the Class of 2022 are not.  Maybe he is coming back.  He was recognized as a graduating player, but obviously that is only ceremonial and people do change their minds.

I was curious and so I looked and the Master of Finance at Case Western Reserve offers the standard 9-12 month program, but has opportunities to add additional semesters for those who want additional training and specializations.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 05, 2022, 10:31:46 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 05, 2022, 08:03:01 AM
Of course, the UAA will remain transfer central. It'll be interesting to see who's on the roster come October.

This point by the way...

The UAA picked-up far fewer transfers than I would have expected last year.  I follow a lot of sports and I was surprised by the lack of transfers.  It will be interesting to see for next year.

I speculated that players were going to be more likely to go for the extra season last year after the disruptions of 2020-2021 than they would after a full, mostly normal season, but I may well be wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 05, 2022, 01:31:03 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on July 05, 2022, 08:27:45 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 05, 2022, 08:03:01 AM
Rumor says Prendergast could be back for Case. Of course, the UAA will remain transfer central. It'll be interesting to see who's on the roster come October.

I thought you were crazy to suggest this, but he is still in the CWRU directory while others from the Class of 2022 are not.  Maybe he is coming back.  He was recognized as a graduating player, but obviously that is only ceremonial and people do change their minds.

I was curious and so I looked and the Master of Finance at Case Western Reserve offers the standard 9-12 month program, but has opportunities to add additional semesters for those who want additional training and specializations.

I don't have confirmation directly, which I don't generally believe until the players are actually in the gym after October 15th anyway, but from everything I've heard, they expect him back.  Same for Algier at Rochester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 05, 2022, 01:53:13 PM
Thanks Ryan! If Case Western Reserve returns Mitch Prendergast, then they would have to be among the favorites to win the league, which honestly, is historically remarkable.

Maybe moreso than the past few seasons, the top teams will ultimately need a player or two who no one knows to step up and have a big season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 05, 2022, 07:41:38 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on July 05, 2022, 01:53:13 PM
Thanks Ryan! If Case Western Reserve returns Mitch Prendergast, then they would have to be among the favorites to win the league, which honestly, is historically remarkable.

Maybe moreso than the past few seasons, the top teams will ultimately need a player or two who no one knows to step up and have a big season.

Prendergrast's Linkedin shows CWRU 2021-2023 https://www.linkedin.com/in/mitch-prendergast-912769206/

Big time Grad XFR to CWRU All-Region 5 1st Team PG from Susquehanna

https://twitter.com/dannyfrauenheim/status/1532475209697091601

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: stlawus on July 05, 2022, 10:04:33 PM
I know Algier is an AA but it's going to be hard to expect immediate results from a player that hasn't played competitive basketball in 2 years, especially someone at his size coming off an ACL tear.    Masino does have one more year, so that's a major piece coming back for sure.     One of Rochester's main strengths last season was depth, that's always the most overlooked aspect when it comes to discussions about what the next season will look like.   On paper a few very key players return but that's not taking into consideration the projected performance of the players who will be moving up the depth chart to replace last year's depth pieces. 

Masino I think is the most important returnee of the group, PG play is key as everyone on this board is well aware.   
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 05, 2022, 11:06:49 PM
Quote from: stlawus on July 05, 2022, 10:04:33 PM
One of Rochester's main strengths last season was depth, that's always the most overlooked aspect when it comes to discussions about what the next season will look like

Unfortunately, we will need more depth of contributors in the UAA thread before we will get to that level of nuance.

I do understand what you mean about the depth.  Last season, no one averaged more than 28 minutes per game.  But that is a contrast to the John Di Bartomoleo era where guys like Johnny Basketball and Nate Novosel played substantial minutes.

I do agree with Ryan Algier, though the league is not exactly loaded with big men so at 6-10 and with his skill set, he will be an all-Association player.  No question that the return of Dan Masino is big.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on July 05, 2022, 11:07:48 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on July 05, 2022, 07:41:38 PM
Prendergrast's Linkedin shows CWRU 2021-2023 https://www.linkedin.com/in/mitch-prendergast-912769206/

Big time Grad XFR to CWRU All-Region 5 1st Team PG from Susquehanna

https://twitter.com/dannyfrauenheim/status/1532475209697091601

Thanks, yeah, you got to be excited as a Spartan fan.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: stlawus on July 12, 2022, 03:01:09 PM
Looks like Rochester is getting a Duke walk on as a transfer.    I've seen enough examples of D1 walk on to D3 transfer examples to know that this won't immediately make Rochester a championship contender, but it is definitely not something to disregard.  I mentioned before that Rochester was successful last year as a result of depth, and adding another forward to play along side or back up Algier will certainly elevate the Yellowjackets. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on August 08, 2022, 11:50:43 AM
UChicago has posted their schedule.

A number of familiar faces including Wheaton and Illinois Wesleyan along with a NYE match-up against Babson.  The Maroons have played Babson just twice in Chicago history.

https://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/mbkb/2022-23/schedule
_______________

Other schedules...

Yellowjackets
https://uofrathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2022-23

Tartans
https://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/mbkb/2022-23/schedule

Judges
https://www.brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2022-23/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 16, 2022, 10:22:23 AM
CWRU Schedule  https://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2022-23/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: EagleATL on August 24, 2022, 01:52:40 PM
Emory Schedule: https://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2022-23/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 24, 2022, 05:43:54 PM
And the Wash U schedule, what there is of it so far:
https://d3hoops.com/teams/Washington_U./men/2022-23/index
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 24, 2022, 05:45:48 PM
And same for NYU:
https://d3hoops.com/teams/New_York_University/Men/2022-23/index
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: PauldingLightUP on September 08, 2022, 10:22:24 PM
WashU's schedule in full. A LOT OF SLIAC OMG :o

Non cons vs Blackburn, at Wabash, at Webster, vs Millikin, at Augustana, vs Eureka, vs Olivet or PP, at Fontbonne, vs Principia, at Westminster, at IWU

Six games vs SLIAC and five others.

https://washubears.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2022-23
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 08, 2022, 11:26:37 PM
And an exhibition at Missouri, though none of my Missouri friends knew the game existed so that must have been a late addition.  That should be fun.

Not sure about the six games against the SLIAC, though Fontbonne and Webster were a given.

Pomona-Pitzer has been such a mainstay in the Lopata Classic that I am glad to see them coming back.

The roster has been updated as well and shows Jacob returning as a graduate student.  Jacob would be a preseason first-team all UAA if there was such a thing.

https://washubears.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/2022-23
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 09, 2022, 06:51:36 AM
Will Wash U be listed in the SLIAC standings too this season?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 09, 2022, 07:23:42 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on September 09, 2022, 06:51:36 AM
Will Wash U be listed in the SLIAC standings too this season?

They might have enough wins to make the conference tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 13, 2022, 01:14:58 PM
NYU has an updated schedule: https://gonyuathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule?path=mbball

The Violets will of course be on the road for the first three games of league play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 14, 2022, 12:20:13 PM
Washington University has hired an assistant coach.

I am not saying this changes anything as far as the Bears are concerned, but I am trying to remember, if Coach Collins played and coached with Coach DeGeorge at Colorado Mesa University, he both played and coached a variety of The System, yes?

Or was that another Midsouth school that temporarily changed with the arrival and departure of a new coach?  Or maybe that predated Collins.  It is so hard to keep track.

Ryan?

https://washubears.com/news/2022/9/14/collins-named-mens-basketball-assistant-coach.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 14, 2022, 10:35:10 PM

DeGeorge ran the System for a year or two at Rhodes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 15, 2022, 09:39:50 AM
Thanks Ryan! Not that it changes anything, I was just curious...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 15, 2022, 10:23:53 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on September 15, 2022, 09:39:50 AM
Thanks Ryan! Not that it changes anything, I was just curious...

Well, Juckem isn't going to run the System, obviously, but his offense is pretty high paced and they focus on a lot of similar principles (prioritizing layups and threes, etc) - so it's certainly not bad experience, which, I assume, is part of the reason he got the job.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 15, 2022, 02:41:13 PM
It will be interesting to see what the offense looks like next season.  The front court is bigger and more experience than the past few seasons and there is a lot of talent on the bench that should compete for a spot in the rotation.

I am all for the hire, I just though it was an interesting footnote.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 15, 2022, 06:24:38 PM
You're going to need those players. 3 lines of 5 players every 30 seconds takes it's toll.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: stlawus on September 19, 2022, 06:50:10 PM
Algier confirmed back at Rochester.   With Masino also returning along with Ross Gang and a now healthy Kershner, one would assume UR are UAA preseason favorites.   The 6'8" Duke walk on that supposedly transferred to UR over the summer is curiously not on the roster, however.  I think there are grad transfer rules from DI to DIII so I'm not sure if there was an issue as far as a waiver.  Gabarino seemed to have no issue landing at NYU though.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 20, 2022, 02:58:01 PM
Here were my prior predictions based on roster speculation.

Quote from: WUPHF on April 26, 2022, 04:58:41 PM
Rochester
Washington University
Carnegie Mellon
Emory
Case Western Reserve
Brandeis
Chicago
NYU

I am not sure how to solve the Case Western Reserve and Washington University conundrum.  I have them as tied.  And NYU is a mystery though they will not finish in the basement.  But if we get a pre-season poll, I think it could look something like this...

Rochester
Washington University
Case Western Reserve
NYU
Carnegie Mellon
Emory
Brandeis
Chicago
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 20, 2022, 06:26:07 PM
Quote from: stlawus on September 19, 2022, 06:50:10 PM
Algier confirmed back at Rochester.   With Masino also returning along with Ross Gang and a now healthy Kershner, one would assume UR are UAA preseason favorites.   The 6'8" Duke walk on that supposedly transferred to UR over the summer is curiously not on the roster, however.  I think there are grad transfer rules from DI to DIII so I'm not sure if there was an issue as far as a waiver.  Gabarino seemed to have no issue landing at NYU though.

Graduate class schedules can be difficult. He may have found out the Rochester faculty isn't as accommodating to basketball players as the one at Duke.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 21, 2022, 09:38:32 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 20, 2022, 06:26:07 PM
Quote from: stlawus on September 19, 2022, 06:50:10 PM
Algier confirmed back at Rochester.   With Masino also returning along with Ross Gang and a now healthy Kershner, one would assume UR are UAA preseason favorites.   The 6'8" Duke walk on that supposedly transferred to UR over the summer is curiously not on the roster, however.  I think there are grad transfer rules from DI to DIII so I'm not sure if there was an issue as far as a waiver.  Gabarino seemed to have no issue landing at NYU though.

Graduate class schedules can be difficult. He may have found out the Rochester faculty isn't as accommodating to basketball players as the one at Duke.

Although some on the faculty (applauded by some students) had zero issue saying horrific things about Queen Elizabeth. I don't think God is thought about much as some of these elite schools. Sad!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: EagleATL on September 26, 2022, 10:18:39 AM
Emory has it's 22-23 roster posted. Solid incoming class including a transfer from Vandy:

https://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2022-23/roster

Max Adelman - Jr. 6-5 Memphis, TN / The Hun School (Transfer from Vandy)
Johnny Coppolino - Fr. 6-3 Tenafly, NJ / The Phelps School
Benjamin Pearce - Fr. 6-1 Tuckahoe, NY / Pomfret School
Tyson Thomas - Fr. 6-1 Allentown, PA / Allentown Central Catholic
Toni Akinyelu - Fr. 6-6 Charlotte, NC / Ardrey Kell
Jair Knight - Fr. 6-2 Elyria, OH / St. Edwards
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 26, 2022, 10:20:58 AM
Thanks Eagle! Keep posting!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 26, 2022, 10:47:59 AM
Quote from: EagleATL on September 26, 2022, 10:18:39 AM
Emory has it's 22-23 roster posted. Solid incoming class including a transfer from Vandy:

https://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2022-23/roster

Max Adelman - Jr. 6-5 Memphis, TN / The Hun School (Transfer from Vandy)

I wonder if their nickname is the Attilas.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 26, 2022, 11:01:03 AM
I like this Max Adelman guy.

Not the typical bio...

Competed on the Hun School basketball team in high school... Transferred in as a junior from Vanderbilt University... 2020-22 Dean's List at Vanderbilt... Served as the team captain of his high school team his senior year... 2019-20 Coaches Award... 2019-20 Iron Man Award... 2019-20 Prep A State Runner-Up... 2019 Maccabi Team USA 18U Team Captain... 2019 European Games Gold Medalist... 2017 State Champion... Lausanne Collegiate School... Enjoys going to temple, doing yoga, meditating, thrifting and eating/drinking healthy stuff.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 26, 2022, 01:05:33 PM
Now, there's a basketball player who's definitely read Frost's "The Road Not Taken".
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on September 26, 2022, 01:59:43 PM
And maybe some of the Beat Generation authors...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Inkblot on October 05, 2022, 05:11:08 PM
Today /r/CFB has a lot more UAA flavor than usual... https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1577727374631706624
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on October 08, 2022, 05:36:30 PM
Emory adds a very talented wing recruit for next year.  Between this year's stellar guard recruits and Harris they will be loaded on the perimeter for awhile:

https://twitter.com/ajharris1222/status/1578860300865925120?s=46&t=tQ3P9dJlo1ikGYdMtXaryg
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 20, 2022, 03:33:07 PM
I have it on pretty good authority that leading scorer and Region 7 first team Mitch Prendergast (18.0 ppg) is returning to the Spartans for his final year of eligibility. As previously reported, Region 5 first team Danny Frauenheim (10.1 ppg) joins the Spartans as a grad transfer. Cole Frilling (16.1 ppg) a Region 7 third team selection returns for his senior year. However, Hunter Drenth, the Spartans big man off the bench as a sophomore, does not appear to be returning. There are two 6'7 newcomers however.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 20, 2022, 03:59:53 PM
Frauenheim is definitely a nice grad transfer, but pretty sure he didn't average 29.5 points per game. He did average 29.7 minutes per game for Susquehanna.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on October 20, 2022, 04:21:47 PM
Tremendous big three for Case, probably about as good as anywhere, but I imagine depth will be a big question, with the numbers 3 through 6 scorers from last year's team not returning, and no one who scored over 4 ppg coming up behind them ... size up front will also be an issue, as four of their top five rebounders also depart. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 20, 2022, 04:54:15 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 20, 2022, 03:59:53 PM
Frauenheim is definitely a nice grad transfer, but pretty sure he didn't average 29.5 points per game. He did average 29.7 minutes per game for Susquehanna.

You are correct. My mistake. 10.1 ppg
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 20, 2022, 05:22:36 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 20, 2022, 04:54:15 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 20, 2022, 03:59:53 PM
Frauenheim is definitely a nice grad transfer, but pretty sure he didn't average 29.5 points per game. He did average 29.7 minutes per game for Susquehanna.

You are correct. My mistake. 10.1 ppg

I'm pretty sure he was Landmark Conference POY, though.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 20, 2022, 05:27:16 PM
Quote from: nescac1 on October 20, 2022, 04:21:47 PM
Tremendous big three for Case, probably about as good as anywhere, but I imagine depth will be a big question, with the numbers 3 through 6 scorers from last year's team not returning, and on one who scored over 4 ppg coming up behind them ...

Case Western Reserve lost a ton of veteran experience to graduation and the loss of Hunter Drenth is big, but they might be the only team that has two UAA player of the year candidates.  And everyone except Carnegie Mellon lost a ton.

I still think this is going to be the season of the newcomers and the underclassman who have yet to play substantial minutes and so does Case have those guys ready to break out?  Danny Frauenheim had 155 assists and looks to be a great addition.

I believe that Washington University is the only team with a pre-season exhibition.  They play Mizzou on November 3rd rather than November 2nd as originally posted.  Mizzou has a new coach an almost entirely new roster of grad transfers so hard to forecast how the Bears will do.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 20, 2022, 05:56:16 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 20, 2022, 04:54:15 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 20, 2022, 03:59:53 PM
Frauenheim is definitely a nice grad transfer, but pretty sure he didn't average 29.5 points per game. He did average 29.7 minutes per game for Susquehanna.

You are correct. My mistake. 10.1 ppg

Just a little friendly ribbing...and yes, CPOTY.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: EagleATL on October 21, 2022, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 20, 2022, 05:27:16 PM
I believe that Washington University is the only team with a pre-season exhibition.  They play Mizzou on November 3rd rather than November 2nd as originally posted.  Mizzou has a new coach an almost entirely new roster of grad transfers so hard to forecast how the Bears will do.

Emory has a pre-season exhibition vs D2 Augusta on 11/5 (went 33-4 and played in the D2 NC game last year). Augusta is #3 in the D2 pre-season power rankings released this week.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on October 23, 2022, 07:18:19 AM
Quote from: EagleATL on October 21, 2022, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 20, 2022, 05:27:16 PM
I believe that Washington University is the only team with a pre-season exhibition.  They play Mizzou on November 3rd rather than November 2nd as originally posted.  Mizzou has a new coach an almost entirely new roster of grad transfers so hard to forecast how the Bears will do.

Emory has a pre-season exhibition vs D2 Augusta on 11/5 (went 33-4 and played in the D2 NC game last year). Augusta is #3 in the D2 pre-season power rankings released this week.

Here are the games in which UAA teams are playing exhibition games against D1 or D2 teams this upcoming season so far:

Pre-season exhibition games

1.)  Thursday, November 3, 2022-- Wash U at Mizzou Tigers (DI-SEC)-- 7 PM Central/8 PM Eastern-- SEC Network Plus has streaming rights to the game-- Game will most likely be streamed on SEC Network+;  I will be surprised if SEC Network broadcasts this one on cable.  SEC Network Plus is available by free streaming on the ESPN app to anyone who gets SEC Network and internet through their cable or streaming provider.

Wash U at Mizzou is a pre-season exhibition game for both teams-- Game and stats do not count for either Mizzou or Wash U.

2.)  Saturday, November 5, 2022-- Emory at Augusta Jags (DII-- Peach Belt)  5:30 PM Eastern.  Augusta Jags are the 2021-2022 Peach Belt Conference AQ champions, the 2021-2022 DII Men's Basketball Southeast Regional Champion, and lost to Northwest Missouri State in the 2021-2022 DII Men's Basketball National title game.

Emory at Augusta is a pre-season exhibition game-- Game and stats do not count for either Augusta or Emory.

3.) Monday, November 7, 2022-- Brandeis at U. New Hampshire (a/k/a UNH) Wildcats (DI-- America East)-- 7:30 PM Eastern-- UNH went 15-13, 10-8 in America East play last season, and lost as the #3 seed in the AE tourney to #6 seed Binghamton in the AE Quarterfinals.  Vermont is defending America East Champion, while Hartford (now reclassifying to DIII) went 12-20, 9-9 in AE play last season in their final season as a full member of DI.

For Brandeis, this is an exhibition game.   This is the regular season opener for UNH, and the game and stats do count on UNH's W/L record and season stats.

Since 2005, UNH has played 13 DIII opponents in games that counted for UNH, but were exhibition games for the DIII opponent.  UNH has always won these games by 25 or more points, with the closest game being a 85-60 win over Lesley in 2016.  UNH has played Suffolk 7 times since 2005 and blown out the Suffolk Rams each time.  UNH's DIII opponents have come from the New England area, with the exception of a game vs Mt. St. Vincent of the Skyline Conference in 2015 which Mt. St. Vincent "lost", 100-61.

UNH played Keene State and St. Joe's Maine last season, and will play St. Joe's Maine this season in addition to Brandeis.

Regular season exhibition game for Carnegie Mellon--

4.) Tuesday, November 15, 2022-- Carnegie Mellon at Walsh Cavaliers (OH) (DII-- Great Midwest)-- 5:30 PM Eastern

This is a regular season contest for Walsh, and the game does count on Walsh's W/L record and season stats.

Walsh went 24-7, 16-4 in Great Midwest play last season.

Walsh won the 2021-2022 Great Midwest AQ, but lost in the semifinals of the DII Midwest Regional (Round of 32) to the UMSL Tritons.

Third "meeting" between Carnegie Mellon and Walsh, "exhibition series" tied at 1-1, with Carnegie Mellon "winning" 85-79 last season over Walsh.  CMU "lost" the first meeting by 20 points in 2019.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 24, 2022, 09:42:43 AM
Thanks guys. 

The Emory exhibition is still not on the Emory schedule and no video information on the Augusta Athletics website, but that will be a great test for an Eagles squad that lost so much.

I did not mention the Walsh game as the season will have started by that point.  A game with Walsh is only mildly intriguing.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on October 24, 2022, 10:04:16 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 24, 2022, 09:42:43 AM
Thanks guys. 

The Emory exhibition is still not on the Emory schedule and no video information on the Augusta Athletics website, but that will be a great test for an Eagles squad that lost so much.

I did not mention the Walsh game as the season will have started by that point.  A game with Walsh is only mildly intriguing.

By the time Walsh plays Carnegie Mellon, D2 Missouri-St. Louis may already have beaten Walsh in the regular season opener for both teams.  UMSL at Walsh is a rematch from their Round of 32 DII tournament appearance last March..  Therefore, I agree on the fact that CMU at Walsh is only mildly intriguing.

I am more interested to see if, at Lundholm Gym in Durham, NH, Brandeis can hold UNH to a much closer "game" than other DIII opponents have shown so far in previous years vs the Wildcats.  If UNH only beats Brandeis by 20 or fewer points on Nov. 7, Brandeis will have had a great showing in that exhibition match (for Brandeis, that is -- Game counts for UNH).  I would have UNH over Brandeis by 35 in the spread line (for entertainment purposes only-- No money allowed to be bet on the game.)

Emory at Augusta, if it gets streamed, will most likely be on the Peach Belt Network OTT channel, and will be able to be seen on a Roku TV and other streaming TVs.

The video info has not been put up yet on any of the home teams involved, but as game time gets closer, we will have a sense of where to find these games on streaming video.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 24, 2022, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on October 24, 2022, 10:04:16 AM
By the time Walsh plays Carnegie Mellon, D2 Missouri-St. Louis may already have beaten Walsh in the regular season opener for both teams.  UMSL at Walsh is a rematch from their Round of 32 DII tournament appearance last March.

This is surely only interesting to me, but UMSL at Walsh was a rematch of both the quarterfinal and their season opener in 2021-2022 as Walsh traveled to St. Louis.  UMSL was loaded and barely beat Walsh at home.

In hindsight, that Carnegie Mellon win was one of the best of the UAA teams last season.  I know exhibition and all, but Walsh had a great season.  The Tartans shot 15-31 from three point range include a 7-8 performance by Nick Nakasian.

The Tartans return all five starters from that game.  I had them third in my pre-season rankings before the Case Western Reserve roster news, but if I had a reason to take my rankings seriously, I would have no idea what to do with them.

The Tartans were one of the two teams to play an abbreviated Spring 2021 season (playing 7 games), but still only went 11-13, 4-10 last season.  That was against a tough schedule and by the time conference season arrived, their leading scorers were sophomores so yeah, definitely a team to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 24, 2022, 12:52:25 PM
Case Western Reserve is the last team to officially publish a roster so I thought I would update my post from March.

https://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2022-23/roster

Quote from: WUPHF on March 24, 2022, 01:23:36 PM
Case Western Reserve

Few teams picked up more graduate transfer minutes than the Spartans this seasons.  They lose Hines, Kornaker and Prendergast along with seniors Newton and Faller.

They return Frilling along with three other players who averaged 10-15 minutes per game including Drenth, Florey and Thorburn.

Prendergast and Frilling were so good last season and both should have all-UAA season.  And with the addition of Frauhenheim and the post-season run they had last season, I completely understand the Top 25 talk.

But after those three guys, as an outsider, this team is a mystery.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 24, 2022, 08:02:21 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 24, 2022, 12:52:25 PM
Case Western Reserve is the last team to officially publish a roster so I thought I would update my post from March.

https://athletics.case.edu/sports/mbkb/2022-23/roster

Quote from: WUPHF on March 24, 2022, 01:23:36 PM
Case Western Reserve

Few teams picked up more graduate transfer minutes than the Spartans this seasons.  They lose Hines, Kornaker and Prendergast along with seniors Newton and Faller.

They return Frilling along with three other players who averaged 10-15 minutes per game including Drenth, Florey and Thorburn.

Prendergast and Frilling were so good last season and both should have all-UAA season.  And with the addition of Frauhenheim and the post-season run they had last season, I completely understand the Top 25 talk.

But after those three guys, as an outsider, this team is a mystery.

As I noted earlier this week. Sole not graduating big man Hunter Drenth is not on the roster.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 25, 2022, 12:43:37 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 20, 2022, 05:27:16 PM
Case Western Reserve lost a ton of veteran experience to graduation and the loss of Hunter Drenth is big, but they might be the only team that has two UAA player of the year candidates.  And everyone except Carnegie Mellon lost a ton.

I did acknowledge the loss of Drenth last week (see above). My previous quote was from April.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 26, 2022, 03:51:48 PM
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2022-23/preseason

Rochester #11
WashU #16
CWRU #19
Emory RV (27th most)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 27, 2022, 03:48:37 PM
It is interesting to see a difference between the pre-season coaches poll and #d3hoops poll.  I am referring mostly to Emory.  The Eagles lost so much, but surely have a ton of talent yet to be realized.

UAA:

1. Rochester
2. Wash U
3. Emory
4. CWR
5. CMU
6. Chicago
7. Brandeis
8. NYU
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2022, 06:51:46 PM
https://www.news-herald.com/2022/10/30/john-carroll-mens-basketball-loses-to-case-in-scrimmage/
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 01, 2022, 07:35:01 PM
Thanks Greek Tragedy

From the article -- Drenth absence due to season ending injury.

Prendergast out for five weeks, so should be back for UAA play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 07, 2022, 09:10:24 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2022, 06:51:46 PM
https://www.news-herald.com/2022/10/30/john-carroll-mens-basketball-loses-to-case-in-scrimmage/

The John Carroll team that CWRU beat 87-80 in the exhibition/scrimmage was the last place team in the OAC, but have brought in a passel of transfers from D! and D2. So many that they are third in the pre-season poll and got one first place vote.
https://pioneers.marietta.edu/news/2022/11/4/mens-basketball-no-2-in-oac-preseason-poll.aspx

Spartans open Tuesday with Denison (4th in NCAC preseason poll).

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 14, 2022, 10:26:50 PM
Lipscomb > Belmont > Louisville.  Matt Schner finished with 17 points and 8 rebounds in the win over rival Belmont tonight.

Lipscomb would have been the first ever opponent for Schner who was a freshmen for Emory that year.  The Eagles lost a close one at Lipscomb in 2017.  Schner did not play that year however as he was injured.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: PauldingLightUP on November 20, 2022, 07:58:35 PM
Any word on status Brandeis game on Tuesday? On as scheduled, or postponed or canceled? How did that bus hit the tree anyways?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 21, 2022, 10:01:25 AM
Quote from: PauldingLightUP on November 20, 2022, 07:58:35 PM
Any word on status Brandeis game on Tuesday? On as scheduled, or postponed or canceled? How did that bus hit the tree anyways?

Brandeis Athletics has not released an official statement regarding tomorrow's basketball games (women hosting Babson, and the men going to UMass-Dartmouth).  As of the time that I am posting this, they are still scheduled.   If there is a postponement or a cancellation, there will be an official statement, just like an official statement was released on Sunday concering the swimming and diving meet vs Tufts.

Yesterday, although the swimming and diving meet vs Tufts was cancelled, the fencing meet in which Brandeis was hosting Northeast Fencing Conference action at the Gosman Center went on as scheduled.  Both the Brandeis men's and women's fencing teams participated yesterday in the meet in all 3 disciplines (foil, epee, and sabre). 

The cause of the Saturday night crash of the Brandeis Boston/Cambridge shuttle (operated by Joseph's Transportation of Medford, MA) officially remains under investigation, according to both Waltham MA Police and the Middlesex County, MA's District Attorney's office.  No charges against the driver have been formally filed yet as of this posting.

Although I never rode the Brandeis shuttle to Boston and Cambridge during my student days myself (I used the MBTA bus, commuter rail, and subway for my travels from campus to the city), I did not post yesterday as I am still going over the shock and grief of Brandeis students getting killed or injured returning home from a hockey game at Northeastern University on Saturday.  (The news accounts did not specifically state whether or not the students were attending the Hockey East game at Matthews Arena between Northeastern and Boston University, although that game was played Saturday evening.)

All Brandeis classes scheduled for today and tomorrow are cancelled.

RIP, Vanessa Mark.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 21, 2022, 11:32:25 AM
Update on Tuesday's Brandeis women's basketball game vs Babson--

Brandeis Athletics this morning, in an official release on their web site, announced that in light of the tragic crash of the Boston/Cambridge Brandeis shuttle this past Saturday evening, the Brandeis women's basketball team, after consultation with team leaders, has decided to postpone tomorrow evening's home game vs Babson.  No make up date has yet been determined.

We are still waiting on the status of the Brandeis men's basketball game at UMass-Dartmouth that is still scheduled for tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 21, 2022, 01:54:12 PM
Quote from: PauldingLightUP on November 20, 2022, 07:58:35 PM
Any word on status Brandeis game on Tuesday? On as scheduled, or postponed or canceled? How did that bus hit the tree anyways?

And why was the bus going that fast in the first place?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 22, 2022, 09:57:13 AM
As of 9:30 AM Tuesday, November 22, the Brandeis men are still scheduled to play tonight at UMass-Dartmouth at 7 PM Eastern.

Streaming coverage is still scheduled to start at 6:45 PM Eastern on the LEC Network.

Just a quick announcement on the UAA Men's Basketball players of the week announced so far through 2 weeks of non-conference play:

November 14-- Toby Harris, Brandeis
November 21-- 2 co-players of the week:  Ryan Algier, Rochester  and Kevin Sax, Carnegie Mellon.

UAA/NESCAC challenge coming up the weekend of December 3 and 4.  Colby College of NESCAC got a tune-up for the challenge by winning the Midway Classic last weekend-- getting a win at the Ratner Center over the University of Chicago in the process as well as a win over Colorado College the next day at the Ratner Center.

Games in the challenge will be played at Rochester and Colby, with Rochester and Carnegie Mellon facing off against Middlebury and Bowdoin at the Palestra.  At Waterville Maine, Brandeis and Emory will face off against Colby and Bates.  There will be 8 games total played in the challenge-- To win the challenge, either the UAA or the NESCAC will need to win 5 games vs the other league.  The challenge will end up as a draw if each conference wins 4 games vs the other league.

As for NYU-- UAA basketball is scheduled to return to the site of the old Coles Sports Center and will be played on a new court built at 181 Mercer Street (the basement of the new "Zipper Building") , and conference play is scheduled to start at 181 Mercer Street in New York on Friday, January 20, 2023, when NYU hosts Emory.  The entire building is scheduled to formally open for academic, residential, and athletic activity with the start of NYU's Spring Semester on January 23, 2023.

11:50 AM update-- Brandeis Athletics has confirmed via Twitter that the game is on for tonight for the Brandeis men at UMass-Dartmouth.  Tip at 7 PM Eastern.  Streaming coverage on the LEC Network scheduled to start at 6:45 PM Eastern.  Enloy the game. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 22, 2022, 02:33:38 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on November 22, 2022, 09:57:13 AM
The entire building is scheduled to formally open for academic, residential, and athletic activity with the start of NYU's Spring Semester on January 23, 2023.

For reference, they began demolishing the Coles Sports Center in the Fall 2016.  Wait, is that right?  Maybe the Fall 2017 or 2018.  It has been so long...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on November 22, 2022, 09:19:57 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on November 22, 2022, 02:33:38 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on November 22, 2022, 09:57:13 AM
The entire building is scheduled to formally open for academic, residential, and athletic activity with the start of NYU's Spring Semester on January 23, 2023.

For reference, they began demolishing the Coles Sports Center in the Fall 2016.  Wait, is that right?  Maybe the Fall 2017 or 2018.  It has been so long...

Yes, NYU basketball was last played on Mercer Street (at the corner of Bleecker and Mercer in Greenwich Village) in the 2015-16 season.  Before the COVID-19 pandemic hit, NYU basketball was supposed to return there in the 2021-22 season.  NYU's contract with Hunter College to use the Hunter College Sportsplex for home basketball games was only signed to last until the end of the 2020-21 season at the latest.  Due to delays in construction caused by the pandemic, NYU was forced to use their 150 seat facility at the Tanden School of Engineering (formerly the home court of Polytechnic University (NYU-Poly) (Skyline Conf. gym)) as well as negotiate a 1 season emergency contract last year with St. Francis Brooklyn to use "the Pope" for UAA home games.

In the first 2 seasons while NYU was playing home games at Hunter College, NYU also had a contract with Pace University in Pleasantville, NY to play a few UAA home games up there when the Sportsplex was not available, but Pace U was too far away from Manhattan to be an effective secondary home court for NYU, so the plan for NYU to play a few UAA home games per year at Pace was dropped afterward.

Even back as recently as last basketball season when the delays became apparent, it was hoped that 181 Mercer Street would be open in September 2022 for the full academic year, but it got pushed back to a formal opening for the spring semester of 2023 scheduled to start in mid January.

Oh, BTW, Brandeis won again tonight at UMass-Dartmouth, 79-68, to go to 5-0.  Toby Harris scored 23 points, rookie Quron Zene had a career high 16 points, rookie Ethan Edwards scored 12 points, which is 2 shy of his career high 14 points that he scored at Emmanuel, and senior Dylan Lien scored 18 pts.  Corsairs drop to 1-3 on the season.

Judges led by 17 points at halftime.

UMass-Dartmouth scored the opening basket, but the Judges took the lead from there and never gave it up.

Judges led nearly wire-to-wire shooting 26 of 58 from the field, 13 of 22 from 3 point range, and 14 of 16 from the FT line.   (44.8%, 59.1%, and 87.5% splits, respectively.)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 23, 2022, 12:36:22 PM
Thanks @deiscanton! I appreciate the thorough response. I knew they were playing in multiple gyms, but did not know most of that.  Very interesting!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: EagleATL on November 28, 2022, 07:14:33 PM
Some great matchups this weekend for bragging rights at the UAA-NESCAC Challenge

Saturday 12/3:
@ Colby College
  -Brandeis vs Colby 3pm
  -Emory vs Bates 5pm
@ Rochester U
  -Carnegie Mellon vs Middlebury 1pm
  -Rochester vs Bowdoin 4pm

Sunday 12/4:
@ Colby College
  -Emory vs Colby 12pm
  -Brandeis vs Bates 2pm
@ Rochester U
  -Bowdoin vs Carnegie Mellon 12pm
  -Rochester vs Middlebury 2pm
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on November 29, 2022, 01:27:25 PM
That is an awesome tournament. Let's expand it out next season...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 02, 2022, 07:14:31 AM
Records of the participating teams in this weekend's UAA-NESCAC Challenge coming into the weekend--

UAA participaing teams in the Challenge--

1.)  Rochester is 5-1
2.)  Carnegie Mellon is 5-0
3.)  Brandeis is 6-0
4.)  Emory is 4-1

UAA's participating group is 20-2 vs non-UAA opponents coming into the weekend's UAA/NESCAC Challenge

NESCAC participating teams in the Challenge--

1.)  Middlebury is 4-0

2.)  Colby is 7-0  (record includes a win vs Bowdoin in Brunswick, ME in a CBB game)

Colby is 6-0 vs non-NESCAC opponents-- Colby has a win over UChicago at the Ratner Center this season and won the Midway Classic.

3.)  Bowdoin is 3-3 (record includes a loss vs Colby in Brunswick, ME in a CBB game).--

Bowdoin is 3-2 vs non-NESCAC opponents this season.

4.)  Bates is 3-3

NESCAC participating teams have a record of 17-6 (16-5 outside of CBB games).

The UAA/NESCAC Challenge starts at the Rochester pod tomorrow with Carnegie Mellon vs Middlebury at 1 PM Eastern in the first game.

The first game of the Colby pod in Waterville, ME tomorrow will be Brandeis taking on the pod's host Colby at 3 PM Eastern.

Bowdoin at Rochester follows at 4 PM Eastern, with Emory taking on Bates in Waterville, ME at 5 PM Eastern.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2022, 01:01:51 PM
Game 1 of the 2022 UAA/NESCAC Challenge is about to tip off from the Louis Alexander Palestra in Rochester, NY--

Designated home team for the Middlebury vs Carnegie Mellon game is the Carnegie Mellon Tartans.

JC DeLass is on the PBP call for the games from Rochester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2022, 01:44:48 PM
Halftime of the first game of the UAA/NESCAC Challenge on the Rochester pod--

Carnegie Mellon with a 1 point lead over Middlebury, 33-32.

Kevin Sax of Carnegie Mellon and Sam Stevens of Middlebury each lead their teams with 10 pts a piece.

Alex Sobel has a game high 8 rebounds for Middlebury, while Kevin Sax has 4 rebounds to lead Carnegie Mellon.

Josh Berry leads Carnegie Mellon with a game high 4 assists, while Noah Osher has 2 assists to lead Middlebury.

First half percentage splits for the Tartans-- 33 pts, 15 rebounds, and 8 assists on 41/0/88 shooting.

First half percentage splits for Middlebury-- 32 pts, 21 rebounds, and 3 assists on 46/22/67 shooting.

Middlebury led through most of the first half, but Carnegie Mellon closed out with a late run to take the 1 point lead.









Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2022, 02:49:19 PM
Final from Rochester--

Middlebury 74, Carnegie Mellon 68

NESCAC takes a 1-0 lead in the 2022 UAA/NESCAC Challenge, with Brandeis next to play at Colby at 3 PM Eastern.

Bowdoin will tip off at Rochester at 4 PM Eastern, with Bates playing Emory at the Alfond Center in Waterville, ME at 5 PM Eastern.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2022, 03:27:54 PM
Colby is really trying their hardest to put the UAA in a deep hole on Day 1--

Colby opens up the game vs Brandeis on a 16-0 run in the first 5 minutes, with Brandeis yet to score.

Brandeis frosh Quron Zene finally scores their first 2 points 7 minutes into the game, with Toby Harris scoring shortly thereafter to make it Colby 16, Brandeis 4.

By contrast, Middlebury's largest lead vs Carnegie Mellon earlier today was just 11 points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2022, 03:56:15 PM
Halftime of the second game of the UAA/NESCAC Challenge--

Colby 37, Brandeis 21

Colby is now dedicating the building where their new basketball court is located as the Margaret M. Crook Center. 

Their new basketball court is called the Whitmore-Mitchell Court, named partly after Colby's Dick Whitmore, who coached the Colby men's basketball team for many years and is a legend in both DIII and Maine hoops.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2022, 04:01:51 PM
Game 3 of the UAA/NESCAC Challenge is the second game of the day from the Louis Alexander Palestra in Rochester, NY--

Bowdoin at Rochester just tipped off.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2022, 04:42:32 PM
Halftime of Game 3 of the UAA/NESCAC Challenge:

Rochester 44, Bowdoin 33

This is a must-win game for Rochester, as Colby is leading over Brandeis, 60-48, with 3:29 left in regulation.

Should the Colby result hold, NESCAC would jump to an early 2-0 lead over the UAA in the Challenge, with Rochester needing to defeat Bowdoin to get the UAA on the board.

Should Colby and Rochester win today, then Emory would have to defeat Bates later today to make the UAA/NESCAC Challenge all square at 2-2 going into Sunday's games.

Both the UAA and the NESCAC need 5 wins over the other league to win the inaugural Challenge-- if the UAA/NESCAC Challenge finishes Sunday at 4 wins a piece, the Challenge ends up as a draw.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2022, 04:52:30 PM
Final from Waterville, Maine--

Colby 66, Brandeis 52

NESCAC takes a 2-0 lead in the UAA/NESCAC Challenge.

Rochester is leading over Bowdoin at halftime, 44-33.

The second game at Waterville, Maine between Emory and Bates will only be covered by live stats, as NSN did not make any arrangements to video stream any of the neutral games at the Colby pod.

That also means that the Brandeis vs Bates game tomorrow will only be covered by live stats as well. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2022, 05:42:35 PM
The UAA gets their first win in the UAA/NESCAC Challenge, as Rochester defeats Bowdoin, 83-67.

NESCAC maintains a 2-1 lead over the UAA with Emory and Bates finishing off Saturday's slate of UAA/NESCAC Challenge games.

Today is a must-win game for Emory so that both conferences can be all square heading into Sunday's slate of games at 2 wins a piece.

If Bates wins today in the finale, the NESCAC would take a commanding 3-1 lead heading into Sunday only needing to win 2 more games to win the challenge.  The UAA would have to then win 3 of the 4 Sunday games just to have the Challenge end in a draw.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2022, 06:06:38 PM
At halftime, Emory leading Bates, 45-39.

If this result holds, the UAA and the NESCAC will have 2 wins a piece for Saturday's portion of the Challenge.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 03, 2022, 06:56:15 PM
Emory defeated Bates, 86-52, in the second game of the day from Waterville, Maine to put the UAA all square with NESCAC.

After Saturday's action, the UAA and NESCAC are tied at 2 wins a piece in the inaugural UAA/NESCAC Challenge.

Entering Sunday, each league will need to win 3 out of the 4 remaining games to win the challenge.   Another 2-2 split on Sunday will mean a draw in the inaugural challenge.

At noon Eastern, Emory will play at Colby, and Bowdoin will play Carnegie Mellon in the Rochester pod.

At approx 2 PM Eastern, Middlebury will play at Rochester in the showcase game of the Challenge, and Brandeis will play Bates to conclude action in Waterville, Maine.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2022, 11:56:07 AM
Carnegie Mellon v Bowdoin from Rochester, NY and Emory at Colby will be tipping off shortly.

Update on the Tartans-- Kevin Sax sustained an injury to his left knee in the loss vs Middlebury yesterday and will not be playing today.  Jonathan Milloway will be starting in Kevin Sax's place.

The UAA/NESCAC Challenge stands at 2 wins a piece for each league coming into today's action.

Either the UAA or the NESCAC needs to win 3 out of 4 today to win the challenge.  A 2-2 split would mean a draw.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2022, 12:47:29 PM
Halftime scores of the noontime games in the UAA/NESCAC Challenge--

Carnegie Mellon 39, Bowdoin 37  Bowdoin was leading 29-12 with 9:31 to go in the first half.

Colby 34, Emory 31  Colby's largest lead of the half was 13-2 with 15:07 to go in the first half.

2 great games in this time window of the UAA/NESCAC Challenge-- If the UAA cannot go 2-0 in this time window, I would like a 1-1 split to make it 3-3 going into the last 2 games.

Colby is going to be very tough to beat at their new home in NESCAC games.  The new Whitmore/Mitchell Court up at Colby, which replaced Wadsworth Gym, is now in its second season.   If Colby wins today, I would like a few Top 25 voters to give me at least a deep dive on the Mules, if not Top 25 votes.  In my book, if Colby holds on and beats Emory today, there is a solid case for Colby to be Top 25, so I would need a deep dive to make a case as to what further evidence Colby would need to crack Top 25, if 3 wins vs UAA teams and an undefeated 8-0 record are not sufficient. Colby would have 1 road win over UChicago at the Ratner Center, plus home wins over Brandeis and Emory, if today's result holds. That makes a tough NESCAC team to beat this season.

Therefore, I am rooting for Emory to come from behind in the second half, and for Carnegie Mellon to keep on the attack vs Bowdoin.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2022, 12:53:28 PM
There was a temporary game delay at Colby as a secondary set of lights went out early in the second half for a few minutes, which temporarily stopped play.  The game has resumed with Colby leading over Emory 39-36 with 18:01 left in regulation.

Bowdoin and Carnegie Mellon are tied at 41-41 with 17:39 left in regulation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2022, 01:31:37 PM
Final from Waterville, Maine--

Emory 80. Colby 66

UAA takes a 3-2 lead over NESCAC in the 2022 UAA/NESCAC Challenge, with Carnegie Mellon ready to get their first win in the Palestra in Rochester, NY since 2014.

Colby takes their first loss of the season.

Carnegie Mellon is about to guarantee the UAA at least a draw in the 2022 UAA/NESCAC Challenge with the Tartans leading over Bowdoin, 76-63, with 34 seconds left.

Final at the Palestra in Rochester, NY-- Carnegie Mellon 79, Bowdoin 66

The UAA now leads over NESCAC 4-2 in the 2022 UAA/NESCAC Challenge, and has clinched at least a draw.

Either a Rochester win over Middlebury or a Brandeis win over Bates in the 2 PM tipoff games will give the UAA the win over NESCAC for the weekend in the Men's Basketball Challenge.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2022, 02:13:14 PM
It seems like Brandeis is a bit upset that they lost yesterday's game vs Colby early via a slow start.

Brandeis leading over Bates 24-8 with 10:51 left to go in the first half.

Meanwhile in Rochester, Rochester is leading over Middlebury, 9-2 with 16:49 left in the first half.

Don't ask me about the game on ESPN+ between Tufts and Harvard-- During my student days from 1987 to 1991, Brandeis played at Harvard every season, and that game counted on the W/L record and stats for Brandeis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2022, 02:35:20 PM
Halftime in Waterville, Maine--

The live stats scoreboard has Brandeis leading over Bates 34-29.

Brandeis's largest lead over Bates was 32-15 with 5:35 left to go in the first half.

In Rochester, the Yellowjackets lead 30-27 over Middlebury with 3:51 left to go in the first half.

2:41 PM Eastern update-- Halftime at Rochester-- Rochester 35, Middlebury 29

If halftime results hold up, the UAA will win the first annual UAA-NESCAC Challenge 6 games to 2, and will have swept the final 3 games in each pod after the NESCAC teams won the first game in both the Colby and Rochester pods on Saturday.

Both Middlebury and Bates will need to pull off come from behind wins in the second half to clinch a draw with the UAA on the weekend.  The UAA is assured of no worse than a draw.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 04, 2022, 03:40:00 PM
Final from Waterville, ME-- Brandeis 68, Bates 58

UAA wins the 2022 UAA/NESCAC Challenge, 5 games to 2, with 1 game left to complete.

In the final game-- Rochester leading over Middlebury 70-67 with 25 seconds left.

3:49 PM Eastern update-- Final score from Rochester-- Rochester 72, Middlebury 70

UAA wins the 2022 UAA/NESCAC Challenge, 6 games to 2.

UAA swept the Sunday games, 4-0, over NESCAC to clinch the inaugural Men's Basketball Challenge.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 04, 2022, 06:27:43 PM
Apparently, not much of a challenge for the UAA. Again, shows the NESCAC is way overrated. KIDDING! LOL
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 05, 2022, 05:26:12 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 04, 2022, 06:27:43 PM
Apparently, not much of a challenge for the UAA. Again, shows the NESCAC is way overrated. KIDDING! LOL

I am not going to brag too much-- Old Guy from Middlebury won't let me....  LOL.  BTW, Old Guy complains too much about the (lack of) endline space behind the baskets of the Palestra at Rochester, NY.   Old gyms have their quirks, and besides, the end walls of the Louis Alexander Palestra are padded.

Let Tufts have Tommy Eastman on the men's basketball coaching staff.  I don't mind. 

BTW, I do wish that next Sunday's NYU at Tufts women's basketball match was a doubleheader with the NYU men playing Tufts first at noon, and not just a single women's basketball game at 2 PM at Cousens Gym.  NYU men can use the "toughening up" in their non-conference schedule.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 05, 2022, 12:42:05 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on December 05, 2022, 05:26:12 AM
BTW, Old Guy complains too much about the (lack of) endline space behind the baskets of the Palestra at Rochester, NY.   Old gyms have their quirks, and besides, the end walls of the Louis Alexander Palestra are padded.

I would think walls with padding are safer on average than bleachers, but what do I know.

I am still not as impressed with the Rochester gym as everyone else is (it looks to be identical to my high school gym with the end line windows and steps which is why I have an opinion), but I'll make it one of these days to see for myself.

Quote from: deiscanton on December 05, 2022, 05:26:12 AMNYU men can use the "toughening up" in their non-conference schedule.

SOS 372 according to Massey.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2022, 01:18:35 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 05, 2022, 12:42:05 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on December 05, 2022, 05:26:12 AM
BTW, Old Guy complains too much about the (lack of) endline space behind the baskets of the Palestra at Rochester, NY.   Old gyms have their quirks, and besides, the end walls of the Louis Alexander Palestra are padded.

I would think walls with padding are safer on average than bleachers, but what do I know.

I am still not as impressed with the Rochester gym as everyone else is (it looks to be identical to my high school gym with the end line windows and steps which is why I have an opinion), but I'll make it one of these days to see for myself.

I think that half of the mystique lies in the name of the venue. Instead of the quotidian "Gym", the overstated "Arena", or the boringly non-specific "Center" in which other D3 basketball teams play, Rochester has a "Palestra". Nobody seems to know what the heck a "palestra" is -- it's actually a Greek word that means "a place for wrestling" -- but it sounds cool, probably because it looks like a portmanteau of "palace" and "extra".

Quote from: WUPHF on December 05, 2022, 12:42:05 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on December 05, 2022, 05:26:12 AMNYU men can use the "toughening up" in their non-conference schedule.

SOS 372 according to Massey.

Another year, another dubious award for the Fighting Violets as the Cupcake Eating Contest champions of D3.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 05, 2022, 01:47:55 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2022, 01:18:35 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 05, 2022, 12:42:05 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on December 05, 2022, 05:26:12 AM
BTW, Old Guy complains too much about the (lack of) endline space behind the baskets of the Palestra at Rochester, NY.   Old gyms have their quirks, and besides, the end walls of the Louis Alexander Palestra are padded.

I would think walls with padding are safer on average than bleachers, but what do I know.

I am still not as impressed with the Rochester gym as everyone else is (it looks to be identical to my high school gym with the end line windows and steps which is why I have an opinion), but I'll make it one of these days to see for myself.

I think that half of the mystique lies in the name of the venue. Instead of the quotidian "Gym", the overstated "Arena", or the boringly non-specific "Center" in which other D3 basketball teams play, Rochester has a "Palestra". Nobody seems to know what the heck a "palestra" is -- it's actually a Greek word that means "a place for wrestling" -- but it sounds cool, probably because it looks like a portmanteau of "palace" and "extra".

Quote from: WUPHF on December 05, 2022, 12:42:05 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on December 05, 2022, 05:26:12 AMNYU men can use the "toughening up" in their non-conference schedule.

SOS 372 according to Massey.

Another year, another dubious award for the Fighting Violets as the Cupcake Eating Contest champions of D3.

And yet, incredibly enough, in the Pool C Fantasy Draft on the D3DataCast this morning, ziggy and KnightSlappy are buying that NYU can get a Pool C bid this year.    In their Pool C Fantasy Draft, KnightSlappy made 10 picks and Ziggy made 10 picks for a total of 20 overall picks.  Their scoring of the draft has a correct Pool C draft pick getting 3 points for the person who picked the team.  If a team picked in the D3DataCast Pool C Fantasy draft wins their conference AQ instead, 1 point will go to the person who picked that team.

KnightSlappy picked first, and ziggy followed second.  When it got to pick 10, ziggy, in snake-like fashion, got to pick teams 10 and 11, and KnightSlappy picked the 12th overall pick.   The picks then alternated until all 20 teams were chosen.

For what it is worth, here were the D3DataCast Pool C Fantasy Draft picks:

KnightSlappy picked-- Emory, Mary Washington, Wheaton (IL), Swarthmore, Kean, Middlebury, Scranton, Stockton, Widener, and Rowan.

Ziggy picked-- Williams, Rochester, Guilford, NYU, UW-Oshkosh, UW-La Crosse, (the WIAC picks were picked to hopefully guarantee at least 4 points to Ziggy), Tufts, John Carroll, Trinity (CT),  and Johns Hopkins.

It is amazing what a new coach and the anticipated return of NYU basketball on January 20, 2023 to 181 Mercer Street in Manhattan (the site of the old Coles Sports Center and the location of NYU's new campus center) can do.

For what it is worth, NYU men's basketball last made the NCAA DIII tournament in the 2015-16 season, the final year that Coles Sports Center was open.  When 181 Mercer Street opens in January, it will be almost 7 years since NYU basketball was last played at that location.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on December 05, 2022, 01:58:41 PM
Before ya'll get TOO excited, the projected 10th and 11th best teams in NESCAC were two of our four participants this year ... and they predictably went 0-4 between them. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 05, 2022, 02:15:42 PM
Quote from: nescac1 on December 05, 2022, 01:58:41 PM
Before ya'll get TOO excited, the projected 10th and 11th best teams in NESCAC were two of our four participants this year ... and they predictably went 0-4 between them.

I know-- that is why if NESCAC drew with the UAA at 4-4 over the weekend, I would have treated it as a loss for the UAA.  Getting sweeps over Bowdoin and Bates was to be expected.  This would have been possible if both Middlebury and Colby went 2-0 over the weekend.

Besides, it seems that the main story today, as far as I am concerned, is NYU potentially getting overbet for a Pool C pick.  It is not like NYU is 14-0, 3-0 in the UAA right now going into the new opening of the 181 Mercer Street, Manhattan gym.  NYU is 7-0 with expected victories over York (NY) and Hunter to follow this week.  Then, we will see how NYU does at the Cregger Invitational.  Violets need to beat Hanover to get a match with Roanoke-- an anticipated win in the consolation game over Methodist does no favors.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 05, 2022, 02:44:54 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2022, 01:18:35 PM
I think that half of the mystique lies in the name of the venue. Instead of the quotidian "Gym", the overstated "Arena", or the boringly non-specific "Center" in which other D3 basketball teams play, Rochester has a "Palestra". Nobody seems to know what the heck a "palestra" is -- it's actually a Greek word that means "a place for wrestling" -- but it sounds cool, probably because it looks like a portmanteau of "palace" and "extra".

I think it is that along with the fact that UPenn borrowed the name for what ultimately became a much more famous gym that people know as something special, but rarely get to see as who else watches Penn basketball?

As for NYU, they are intriguing for sure, but they were 9-1 in non-conference play last season, so awarding them a postseason bid may be a bit premature.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: CNU85 on December 05, 2022, 03:14:16 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on December 05, 2022, 02:44:54 PM


... as who else watches Penn basketball?



I think the CNU HC might watch one or two.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 05, 2022, 03:42:48 PM
I'll give credit to UPenn for bringing other games to the Palestra as well as visitors.  I toured the Palestra while at a conference that had nothing to do with basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: CNU85 on December 05, 2022, 04:33:08 PM
I've heard that it is a place every basketball fan should see. I have not been - yet. The CNU radio announcer used to be the radio guy at St. Bonaventure and called a few games from the Palestra. He loves historical places like that.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 05, 2022, 05:24:12 PM
I really think that Penn and the Hinkle Fieldhouse are worth their reputation and worth visiting even if there is no game to be seen.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ronk on December 05, 2022, 08:12:35 PM
 The Penn Palestra has been a special place for this Pennsylvania guy, playing there as part of a triple-header in college. I was in the first game against the Temple frosh(when frosh couldn't play for the varsity); those Temple frosh played in the NIT as seniors when the NIT was a big deal. Our varsity played Temple in the 2nd game and the nitecap was a Big 5 game between St Joseph(Jimmy Lynam, future NBA coach) and Penn(John Wideman, Pulitzer Prize winner).
The Palestra was considered "the Mecca of college basketball", especially when college ball was banned for a time from rival Madison Square Garden after point-shaving scandals in the '50s. Double-headers frequently had a Big 5 game and 1 of the other 3 Philly schools playing an out-of-town top 20 type school in the other. The seats were close to the court and there wasn't a bad one for viewing among the 8000.
  In mid-January, the Palestra will host all the Landmark Conference schools in a day of basketball(2 men's and 2 women's games). 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 05, 2022, 09:46:45 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 05, 2022, 08:12:35 PM
The Penn Palestra has been a special place for this Pennsylvania guy, playing there as part of a triple-header in college. I was in the first game against the Temple frosh(when frosh couldn't play for the varsity); those Temple frosh played in the NIT as seniors when the NIT was a big deal. Our varsity played Temple in the 2nd game and the nitecap was a Big 5 game between St Joseph(Jimmy Lynam, future NBA coach) and Penn(John Wideman, Pulitzer Prize winner).
The Palestra was considered "the Mecca of college basketball", especially when college ball was banned for a time from rival Madison Square Garden after point-shaving scandals in the '50s. Double-headers frequently had a Big 5 game and 1 of the other 3 Philly schools playing an out-of-town top 20 type school in the other. The seats were close to the court and there wasn't a bad one for viewing among the 8000.
  In mid-January, the Palestra will host all the Landmark Conference schools in a day of basketball(2 men's and 2 women's games).

Thanks for sharing.  I hope the Landmark games get the attention they deserve...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 05, 2022, 11:16:32 PM
I'll be sure to send my goons over to the D3Data cast headquarters to get my Fantasy League royalties paid in full.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 06, 2022, 06:17:32 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 05, 2022, 11:16:32 PM
I'll be sure to send my goons over to the D3Data cast headquarters to get my Fantasy League royalties paid in full.

I recommend binge watching Akiba Maid War on HIDIVE over the holiday break.  Very funny show where the yakuza are portrayed as late 1990s Akihabara maid cafes in Tokyo, Japan.  (Note the pun-- "maid"/"made") "Where is my sweets money?"  LOL
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 06, 2022, 08:48:29 AM
I watched the current edition of the Q-Cast last night on Youtube where TitanQ did an excellent interview with NYU men's basketball coach Dave Klatsky.   In my lifetime, I have neither attended a Colgate at Boston Univ men's basketball game at the Roof in Boston in person, nor attended a Colgate at Holy Cross men's basketball game in person in Worcester either.  This interview was a nice introduction of what I can expect from Coach Klatsky and NYU men's basketball this season.  Thanks, TitanQ, for the deep dive on NYU men's hoops, and I will try to catch some of the StatChat podcasts that Coach Klatsky put up-- I found a StatChat-- dishing it with DKlats podcast from October 2021 where Dave Klatsky talks with a Lycoming athlete (known as @mattyice5 on TikTok) about how this person was using Name/Image/Likeness rights and social media to the athlete's advantage.

Watching the interview last night, I felt confident that NYU would have won handily against Bowdoin and/or Bates if the Violets men's team participated in this year's UAA/NESCAC Challenge.

If NYU doesn't score between 100 to 130 points against Hunter coming up in a few days, given that Hunter likes to rev it up to the high 80s or low 90s on FG attempts, I will question what went wrong with the NYU game plan.

Looking forward to UAA play in January after the non-conference slate gets taken care of.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 06, 2022, 11:57:17 AM

The way Hunter's been playing this season, I think 130 is the floor for NYU. I wouldn't be surprised if they hit 150.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 06, 2022, 12:00:24 PM
Regardless of the score, Hunter is 1-7 and rated 413 out of 418 programs according to Massey so yeah...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 06, 2022, 04:40:37 PM
Lakeland best Greenville 155-127 recently. Greenville has given up 200 in the recent past. Hunter isn't giving up nearly what Greenville does though. I could see 150.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2022, 08:20:30 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 06, 2022, 04:40:37 PM
Lakeland best Greenville 155-127 recently. Greenville has given up 200 in the recent past. Hunter isn't giving up nearly what Greenville does though. I could see 150.

No, but they're only effective on defense about 1 out of 4 games this year and NYU is considerably better than their other opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 07, 2022, 01:07:45 PM


Another year, another dubious award for the Fighting Violets as the Cupcake Eating Contest champions of D3.
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CWRU may be giving them a run for that title.

No CWRU OOC opponent has a winning record. Denison is 5-5. Many teams they have played have only 1 or 2 wins.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 09, 2022, 07:11:35 AM
Just giving the heads up--

Last night's Brandeis vs Babson home basketball game was Jonah White's last game as the regular PBP commentator for Brandeis Athletics, as he will be studying abroad for the spring semester and is scheduled to graduate in May.  Jonah White made the announcement on the webcast with less than 3 minutes to go in regulation.

Joshua Hertz, who served as color analyst for last night's basketball game with Jonah White, is taking over the PBP duties for the rest of the academic year, including all of Brandeis's home UAA men's and women's basketball games.  Mr. Hertz is scheduled to start calling PBP for the NYU at Brandeis basketball doubleheader on January 7, 2023, and will continue PBP duties for Brandeis baseball and softball home games in the spring.

Joshua Hertz started PBP commentary for Brandeis last March, and has done baseball, softball and soccer contests for Brandeis already.

Thanks, Jonah White, for your years of service, and I will be looking forward to see how Josh Hertz does the PBP starting in January.  Based on Josh's color analysis last night, I think that he will do a decent job in the PBP role.

In addition to his undergraduate studies and his PBP and color analysis for Brandeis Athletics, Joshua Hertz is also currently serving as the general manager for the Brandeis student radio station, WBRS 100.1 FM.   He is a junior currently majoring in HSSP (BS) with a minor in Legal Studies.  Before becoming general manager, Mr. Hertz also served as the sports director for WBRS FM.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 11, 2022, 01:02:15 AM
Any word on how much longer Prendergast is supposed to be out?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 11, 2022, 12:03:04 PM
It looks like Ryan Algier did not play in the 91-80 win over Wooster.  Gang and Masino picked up the slack with each scoring 21.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 11, 2022, 08:39:08 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 11, 2022, 01:02:15 AM
Any word on how much longer Prendergast is supposed to be out?

The word at the start of the season was that he would be out five weeks. I have not heard any update. Maybe Sun Dec 18 vs Earlham.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 16, 2022, 08:37:53 AM
UAA Athletes of the Week so far this season in Men's Basketball--

Nov. 14-- Toby Harris, Brandeis
Nov. 21-- Co-Athletes of the Week named-- Kevin Sax, Carnegie Mellon and Ryan Algier, Rochester
Nov. 28-- Co-Athletes of the Week named-- Justin Allen, Carnegie Mellon and Zay Freeney, NYU
Dec. 5-- Toby Harris, Brandeis
Dec. 12-- Cinqu'e Stephens, NYU

Named to D3Hoops.com Team of the Week so far this season--

Week 1-- Cole Frilling, Case Western Reserve University
Week 2-- Ryan Algier, Rochester

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 16, 2022, 08:47:57 AM
Update--

On December 14, 2022-- NYU announced that the new building at 181 Mercer Street that will open on Friday, January 20, 2023 for UAA basketball games and on Monday, January 23, 2023 for the academic Spring semester will be dedicated as the John A. Paulson Center, named after NYU alumnus John A. Paulson (Stern '78), who has just donated a $100 million gift to NYU towards the complex.

www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2022/december/john-a-paulson-center.html  (http://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2022/december/john-a-paulson-center.html)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on December 16, 2022, 12:52:37 PM
Bryce Hopkins is back for 6-3 Chicago and has played two games as a starter. 

That is big news for Chicago fans as he is an all-UAA caliber player.  Just in time for games against IWU and Babson and the start of UAA play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 17, 2022, 07:00:36 PM
In other UChicago news--

On Thursday, UChicago announced that due to complications that arose from hip surgery that he underwent this past April, Mike McGrath is temporarily stepping away from head coaching duties for the remainder of the 2022-23 season.  Coach McGrath is expected to resume his duties next season as head coach of the Maroons once he makes a complete recovery.

In the meantime, Bryan Joel will be the interim head coach of the UChicago Maroons.  Coach Joel's first game as head coach of the Maroons will be on Tuesday, Dec. 20 vs Illinois Wesleyan, and he will be coaching the Maroons through this season's UAA schedule.

Bryan Joel Named Interim Head Men's Basketball Coach of the UChicago Maroons for Remainder of Season  (http://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/mbkb/2022-23/releases/20221215i1kf48)



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 17, 2022, 08:01:14 PM
Get well soon, Mike!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 18, 2022, 02:47:09 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on December 11, 2022, 08:39:08 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 11, 2022, 01:02:15 AM
Any word on how much longer Prendergast is supposed to be out?

The word at the start of the season was that he would be out five weeks. I have not heard any update. Maybe Sun Dec 18 vs Earlham.

Mitch Prendergast came off the bench in the first half today vs Earlham for his first appearance of the season.

Halftime:  CWRU 43, Earlham 25

Prendergast scored 3 points in the first half on 1-3 shooting, 1-2 from 3 pt range in limited action off the bench.

Umar Rashid leads CWRU with 10 pts, followed by Cole Frilling with 9 points.

For Earlham, Jaden Terry leads all scorers with 12 pts, but no other Earlham player scored more than 4 points in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 18, 2022, 03:40:32 PM
Final today-- CWRU 85, Earlham 55

Mitch Prendergast came off the bench for the Spartans today for his first game of the season.

Prendergast scored 12 points today in 11 minutes of action on 4-8 from the field, 3-5 from 3 pt range, and 1-1 from the charity stripe. 

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ronk on December 27, 2022, 03:53:52 PM
 Conversed with my CWRU contact today @ our fitness center; said Prendergast is on a time restriction(minutes played).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on December 29, 2022, 04:05:48 PM
I just watched NYU defeat Hanover, 78-60, on livestream.  The livestream did acknowledge the attendance of Coach K in the building to watch his grandson play for NYU.

Hanover did not play a bad game vs NYU, but the 18 point halftime hole was too deep for the Panthers to completely climb out.  Hanover made their run to get back into the game in the first 5 minutes of the second half, but with 10 minutes left in the ball game, NYU had completely countered that run. 

Tomorrow's NYU at Roanoke game at 2 PM Eastern is now a must-watch appointment game on livestream for me.

A lot of d3hoops afficinados think that NYU will take their first "L" tomorrow vs a very deep Roanoke squad.  We will see.

Today was the start of a 5 game road stretch for NYU, with the grand opening of the new basketball court at the site of the old Coles Sports Center at 181 Mercer Street in Manhattan less than a month away.

I would make NYU a road favorite at UChicago (even with Bryce Hopkins in the Maroons lineup) right now given the way that the Violets played Hanover today.  I am not making any assumptions that NYU could start 3-0 in the UAA before their new home court opens, but given the way that the Violets are playing right now, I would be more surprised if NYU went 0-3 in the UAA before their new home court opens than the other way around.





Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 01, 2023, 03:57:45 PM
I am watching CWRU host Hilbert on livestream with Ron Jantz doing play by play-- no student color commentary today.

At the half, CWRU is leading 59-43 in what is most likely the final non-conference game of the season for the Spartans, unless CWRU is able to find another non-conference opponent to replace Buffalo State.  Due to complications from the blizzard that struck Buffalo over the Christmas weekend, CWRU's scheduled make-up Wednesday January 4th afternoon game at Buffalo State was cancelled on December 29 and will not be made up. 

Mitch Prendergast made his first start of the season today-- he had been out most of the non-conference season recovering from a broken wrist.  Mitch's dad made the trip to Cleveland to attend today's game in person, according to Ron Jantz.

In the first half, Mitch Prendergast has scored a game high 19 points on 7-12 shooting from the field, 5-8 from 3 pt land, and 0-0 from the charity stripe.  He has also dished out 3 assists.     Danny Frauenheim has dished out a game high 6 assists so far for the Spartans today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 01, 2023, 05:07:54 PM
Final today from Cleveland was CWRU 96, Hilbert 78.

With 14:28 left in the game and CWRU up 81-46, the Spartans sent Mitch Prendergast and Danny Frauenheim to the bench for the rest of the game and mostly played their second and third unit players.

Final stat line for Prendergast today-- Game high 23 points in 24 minutes of action.  For the game, Prendergast shot 9-15 from the field, 5-9 from 3 pt land, 0-0 from the charity stripe.  Prendergast grabbed 2 rebounds, made 1 steal, dished out 3 assists, and only turned the ball over one time.

Second leading scorer for CWRU today was Umar Rashid, who came off the bench to score 12 points in 22 minutes of action.

Leading rebounder today for the Spartans was Aaron Rucker, who grabbed 7 boards in 8 minutes off the bench.

Cole Frilling scored 10 points for the Spartans today and grabbed 6 rebounds in 14 minutes of action.  Frilling got into foul trouble with 4 fouls today.

Danny Frauenheim scored 8 points for CWRU today and dished out a game high 7 assists in 23 minutes of action.

CWRU enters UAA play next Saturday vs Carnegie Mellon at 10-0 with 1 non-conference game having been cancelled.



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on January 02, 2023, 10:44:31 AM
Prendergast scored 16 straight points for CWRU over a two-minute and 40-second stretch that helped the team turn a 21-19 deficit into a 35-27 lead by the 7:32 mark.

His return makes the Spartan's starting lineup shorter as 6'1 Prendergast replaces 6"6 Umar Rashid.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 02, 2023, 11:51:50 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on January 02, 2023, 10:44:31 AM
Prendergast scored 16 straight points for CWRU over a two-minute and 40-second stretch that helped the team turn a 21-19 deficit into a 35-27 lead by the 7:32 mark.

His return makes the Spartan's starting lineup shorter as 6'1 Prendergast replaces 6"6 Umar Rashid.

That was an extremely impressive stretch by Prendergast.  I was surprised when he finally missed...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 02, 2023, 12:00:10 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 02, 2023, 11:51:50 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on January 02, 2023, 10:44:31 AM
Prendergast scored 16 straight points for CWRU over a two-minute and 40-second stretch that helped the team turn a 21-19 deficit into a 35-27 lead by the 7:32 mark.

His return makes the Spartan's starting lineup shorter as 6'1 Prendergast replaces 6"6 Umar Rashid.

That was an extremely impressive stretch by Prendergast.  I was surprised when he finally missed...

I agree with WUPHF's point that was just posted.   I was about to go back over the play by play stat sheet.

Over that 2 min 40 seconds period of aforementioned game time in the first half vs Hilbert yesterday, Prendergast went 6 of 8 from the field and 4 of 5 from 3 pt land.  Definitely looks like Mitch is ready for UAA play starting Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 02, 2023, 02:03:38 PM
Best of luck to the Judges this afternoon against Christopher Newport, @deiscanton.

Brandeis has certainly exceeded my expectations.  They, along with Washington University, are one of the younger teams in the league this season, but they should get their share of UAA wins.

And Harris is having a UAA player of the year season so far, even if there are too many 6th year seniors in the mix for him to win the award this season.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 02, 2023, 08:57:04 PM
Final today--

Christopher Newport 79, Brandeis 73

I did take an afternoon nap, but overslept my nap a bit and woke up just after the 5 PM Eastern tip.  Fortunately, I was able to set a 1/2 hour delay on watching the livestream on my Chromebook, but as a result, I could not keep the livestream on a delayed basis when I tried to Chromecast it to my Roku TV, so i decided to just watch it on the computer with a 1/2 hour delay and not look at Twitter during the game so that I could effectively watch it as though it were live. 

i was pleased with the performance of Brandeis in the first half, but I was not too surprised when the Captains made their second half 14-0 run to take the lead for good.  The second half run started when Brandeis had a 48-46 lead with 12:48 to go in regulation.  That was the last time Brandeis had the lead.

Christopher Newport made their 14-0 run to take a 60-48 lead with 7:14 to go.  During the run, the Captains shot 4-6 from the field, 1-3 from 3 pt range, and 5-7 from the charity stripe.

Toby Harris of Brandeis was only whistled for 1 foul in the first half, but fouled out with 1:49 to go with 16 points and without scoring a 3 pointer for the first time all season.

During the CNU 14-0 run, Toby Harris was whistled for his second foul with 12:12 left on a goaltending call.  On watching the livestream, it seemed clear that had Toby Harris left that shot alone and not tried to block it, the ball would not have gone in.  The CNU color commentator on the broadcast, Tracey Cooper, correctly analyzed that one.

Toby Harris's third personal foul with 11:15 left was also called by the officials as a flagrant 1 foul (if this had been a women's game, it would have been marked as an unsportsmanlike foul)-- as signatled by the "X" call that the ref made that would have been called in the old days as an intentional foul.  Francis Tomassino, the CNU play-by-play announcer, announced the call on the broadcast using the old code of "intentional foul".  CNU got two shots and the ball.  The scorebook noted that a technical foul was also called on the bench with 1:49 left when Harris fouled out, but the box score did not record a technical foul on Toby Harris at the 11:15 mark in the second half.  Personally, I am a little confused on how the foul count goes when a personal foul is also charged as a flagrant 1 foul.  It should have been recorded as 3 personals and a technical foul on Toby Harris, not just 3 personal fouls at that point.  Correct, or not?

BTW, the play that got Toby Harris the flagrant 1 foul was that Toby Harris had the ball stolen from him by CNU frosh Collin Hines, and then Harris fouled Collin Hines just a few seconds afterward with 11:15 left in regulation.

Update-- I looked at the current NCAA men's basketball rulebook this afternoon (January 3).  The scorebook is correct, and I am not correct.   The third personal foul on Toby Harris yesterday was called a flagrant 1 personal foul, but it is not a technical foul, even though the penalty for a flagrant 1 personal foul means that the offended team gets 2 free throws and the ball.  See Rule 10, Article 18.d.2  of the 2022-23 NCAA Men's Basketball Rule Book.



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 03, 2023, 08:19:40 AM
Named to D3Hoops.com Team of the Week for Week 6--

Spencer Freedman, NYU-- For his performance at the Cregger Invitational.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 03, 2023, 02:55:58 PM
UAA Athlete of the Week in Men's Basketball for January 3, 2023--

R.J. Holmes, Carnegie Mellon.   Holmes is being honored, primarily, for his performance at the Mose Hole/Kiwanis Wooster Classic over the winter break.

http://uaasports.info/information/aow/AOW_1-3-23.pdf  (http://uaasports.info/information/aow/AOW_1-3-23.pdf)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 03, 2023, 05:19:32 PM
Currently watching RIT at Rochester on livestream.

Ryan Algier has not played for Rochester since December 7, 2022, due to an injury in his shooting hand.   On today's pregame livestream, JC DeLass, the Rochester PxP commentator described it as a broken bone in Algier's right hand.

Algier did not play the Dec. 10 game vs Wooster due to the injury, and he is not playing today vs RIT. 

Rochester is hoping that Ryan Algier will be able to play in UAA action starting Saturday at Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 03, 2023, 06:06:09 PM
The D3Hoops.com Top 25 men's basketball poll for Week 5 has just been released.

The UAA now has 4 teams in the top 25 this week, with 1 other team receiving votes.

Rochester is ranked #5 with 518 points in this week's poll.

CWRU is ranked #9 with 364 points.

NYU is the new UAA team now ranked in the top 25-- NYU breaks in at #18 with 175 points.

Emory is ranked #22 with 107 points.

Wash U also received votes on at least 1 Top 25 ballot-- the Bears only have 7 points in this week's poll.

http://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2022-23/week5  (http://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2022-23/week5)

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: TheOsprey on January 03, 2023, 06:08:22 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 03, 2023, 05:19:32 PM
Currently watching RIT at Rochester on livestream.

Ryan Algier has not played for Rochester since December 7, 2022, due to an injury in his shooting hand.   On today's pregame livestream, JC DeLass, the Rochester PxP commentator described it as a broken bone in Algier's right hand.

Algier did not play the Dec. 10 game vs Wooster due to the injury, and he is not playing today vs RIT. 

Rochester is hoping that Ryan Algier will be able to play in UAA action starting Saturday at Emory.
Thanks for the update. I was going to ask about Algier. +k
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 03, 2023, 06:17:30 PM
Quote from: TheOsprey on January 03, 2023, 06:08:22 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 03, 2023, 05:19:32 PM
Currently watching RIT at Rochester on livestream.

Ryan Algier has not played for Rochester since December 7, 2022, due to an injury in his shooting hand.   On today's pregame livestream, JC DeLass, the Rochester PxP commentator described it as a broken bone in Algier's right hand.

Algier did not play the Dec. 10 game vs Wooster due to the injury, and he is not playing today vs RIT. 

Rochester is hoping that Ryan Algier will be able to play in UAA action starting Saturday at Emory.

Thanks for the update. I was going to ask about Algier. +k

Just in case anyone has Ryan Algier on a fantasy team this week, I would advise sitting him for the time being.  Broken bones take time to heal, and I have heard this "hopeful" talk from Rochester before on Ryan Algier's status in previous seasons when Algier was not playing in games due to injury.

If you don't see Ryan Algier in a starting iineup in a UAA contest, assume that he is not playing in that game.

(1/5/2023 update)-- Ryan Algier's injury happened in the Dec. 7, 2022 game at the Palestra vs Ithaca with 1:25 remaining in regulation.  During the Rochester vs Ithaca game, when the injury happened, JC DeLass on the play by play was hoping that it was just a jammed finger in the shooting hand, and not a broken finger.  It was during the pregame vs RIT that I heard from JC DeLass that a bone was broken in Ryan Algier's shooting hand in the Ithaca matchup.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 07, 2023, 03:52:51 AM
Saturday January 7, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball games today courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html  (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's net efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning:  For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  Carnegie Mellon at CWRU-- CWRU 84, Carnegie Mellon 78

CWRU has a 72% chance of winning and is a -6.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 79 possessions per team.

Over/under total is 161.5

2.)  NYU at Brandeis-- Brandeis 71, NYU 80

Brandeis has a 22% chance of winning and is a +8.5 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 70 possessions per team.

Over/under total is 151.0

3.)  Rochester at Emory-- Rochester 79, Emory 82

Emory has a 59% chance of winning and is a -2.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 78 possessions per team.

Over/under total is 161.5

4.)  UChicago at Wash U-- UChicago 55, Wash U 68

Wash U has a 88% chance of winning and is a -13 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 62 possessions per team.

Over/under total is 123.0
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 07, 2023, 05:03:20 AM
I'm interested to see NYU in conference play. They were 10-1 last year going into UAA play and we know how they did. Apparently they're better this year and getting some love from the Top 25 voters. Obviously some additions, mainly Spencer Freedman, have helped.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 07, 2023, 05:42:35 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 07, 2023, 05:03:20 AM
I'm interested to see NYU in conference play. They were 10-1 last year going into UAA play and we know how they did. Apparently they're better this year and getting some love from the Top 25 voters. Obviously some additions, mainly Spencer Freedman, have helped.

When NYU defeated Hanover and Roanoke on the road at the Cregger Center in Salem, VA and won the Cregger Invitational last week, they proved in my eyes that this year's Violets team is for real.

NYU had a way different coaching staff last year, and their non-conference loss last year was a 28 point blowout loss on the road at Hobart.   The previous NYU head coach, Dagan Nelson, went 0 for at Waltham.  NYU hasn't won at Waltham since 2015-16, which was the last time the Violets made the NCAA DIII Men's Basketball tournament.  Coach Dave Klatsky is going to be very determined to end this losing streak today, and my head thinks that NYU will pull it off this afternoon.

I will be watching today's NYU at Brandeis game in person.  I will be headed out the door within the next few hours to head to Waltham, MA for the UAA doubleheader.   My N95 masks and hand sanitizer are at the ready and I just took an antigen self test for COVID-19 which turned out negative.   Based on new hospital admission rates of over 20 per 100,000 admitted with COVID-19 over a 7 day period, the entire Boston area now has a high COVID-19 community risk level due to the new Omicron subvariant XBB.1.5    I got the Omicron bivalent booster shot over Labor Day weekend, so I am about as prepared as I can be to attend this game.

BTW, before the NYU men take the court, I will have to watch the NYU women take care of business-- Hopefully, the Brandeis women can hang on for three quarters like what happened last year in the opener, but with my luck, the NYU women could finish Brandeis off by halftime as well. 

The Brandeis live streams last weekend had no commentary, and I am not sure if the WBRS general manager Joshua Hertz will be doing the play by play for today's doubleheader, as the general student body is not expected back at Brandeis until the weekend of January 20-22, 2023.  Jonah White is studying abroad this semester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: D3Parent1 on January 09, 2023, 08:50:31 AM
Is there any word on when Ryan will be back for RU?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 09, 2023, 09:04:07 AM
Quote from: D3Parent1 on January 09, 2023, 08:50:31 AM
Is there any word on when Ryan will be back for RU?

Ryan Algier broke a finger in his shooting hand with 1:25 in regulation in the game vs Ithaca on Dec. 7, 2022.  Since his finger was broken and not just jammed, it really depends on how severe the break is.  As a fan, I hope that he can come back for the February round of UAA games, but I do not have a definite timetable on his return. 

Last year in the non-conference portion of the 2021-22 season, Ryan Algier was not playing in non-conference action due to an unrelated injury.   I had heard hopeful talk back then that he could compete in UAA action in that particular year.  It turned out otherwise, and he sat out all of 2021-22.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 09, 2023, 10:45:28 AM
No reports on the Brandeis win over NYU, @deiscanton?

The Violets scored 17 and 20 points less than their games against Hanover and Roanoke.  Only two Violets in double figures.

For the Judges, Dylan Lien had the game that we have all thought long possible and freshman Ethan Edwards, wow!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 09, 2023, 01:14:55 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 09, 2023, 10:45:28 AM
No reports on the Brandeis win over NYU, @deiscanton?

The Violets scored 17 and 20 points less than their games against Hanover and Roanoke.  Only two Violets in double figures.

For the Judges, Dylan Lien had the game that we have all thought long possible and freshman Ethan Edwards, wow!

Sorry about that, WUPHF.  I meant to post on the board on this game yesterday, but not only were there 2 DIII women's basketball games to watch yesterday (Babson v Tufts and CNU v Wash & Lee)-- I was resting in bed during the CNU vs Wash & Lee women's basketball game and missed on livestream the hysterics of CNU women's basketball coach Bill Broderick that got him ejected after the first OT. 

I am well rested now, and ready to post my personal commentary from Saturday's NYU vs Brandeis men's basketball game.

I watched the NYU vs Brandeis doubleheader in person, and naturally had to sit through the NYU women blowing out Brandeis before the men's game got underway.  Any neutral person want to put odds on the Brandeis women going 0-14 in the UAA this season? LOL.  At least in the women's game, I got to see Chloe Teter and Honor Culpepper get plenty of playing time for NYU.

I chatted a bit with coach Jean Bain before the game-- he made a comment to me about last year's Brandeis men's basketball team not getting picked for NCAAs, and in response, I replied that I couldn't believe that DI basketball wants to expand their field for March Madness to 90 teams while DII and DIII can't expand their fields.  I expressed my opinion that the only people who are going to benefit from an expanded March Madness field in DI are the sportsbooks, because they will have more to gamble on. 

On another note, I still can't believe that come March, former Mass Governor Charlie Baker is going to become the NCAA President.

Anyway, there were a lot of NYU fans in the building who attended the game in person, and it was not just some of the family members of the NYU players.   There was a big contingent of fans from Easton, MA who came to root on Caroline Peper of the NYU women's team-- leading that contigent was now retired Oliver Ames Girls High School basketball coach Laney Clement-Holbrook.  Oliver Ames is the public high school in Easton, and Clement-Holbrook retired last March after Caroline Peper helped lead Oliver Ames to the Massachusetts state title in her public high school division.  NYU Women's basketball coach Meg Barber also had her entire family at the doubleheader last Saturday as well.

The Brandeis fans who attended in person did save their strength for the men's basketball game, where it counted.

I did not know whether or not there would be play by play of the NYU v Brandeis doubleheader, but there was.  The play by play announcer made the mistake of not announcing his name, but he did say that it was his first time doing play by play for a basketball game.  Brandeis has the archived stream of the game up for a week until Friday, January 13-- it will be replaced when the Reggie Poyau track meet is held next Saturday at the Gosman Center.

By the comments that this person was making, I would not be surprised if the person doing the play by play a few days ago was WBRS FM Sports Director Will Kevorkian, and that he got pressed into service in the absence of Joshua Hertz, the WBRS FM General Manager who is supposed to be doing most of the play by play for Brandeis home UAA basketball games.  I am going to check with Adam Levin, the Brandeis Sports Information director, on this.  The play by play announcer did not mention his name on the stream, and that is something that should be corrected.--

Update:  Adam Levin just replied back to me-- The play by play commentator for Saturday's NYU vs Brandeis doubleheader was Asher Kaplan of the Brandeis baseball team.  For his first time doing play by play, he did a decent job.  He kept it nice and simple and let the basketball game do the story.

Until Friday, January 13, 2023, you can watch the archive of the NYU vs Brandeis doubleheader at:

http://brandeisjudges.com/information/streaming  (http://brandeisjudges.com/information/streaming)

It will be replaced when the Reggie Poyau track meet is held this upcoming Saturday.

Anyway, when I got to the Brandeis campus, I saw that what used to be the concession stand and seating in the Gosman Center got converted into a new student study lounge over the past year.  As a result, fans are going to have to bring in their own snacks and beverages into the games at Auerbach Arena to consume at those games (in limited quantities, of course.)

Brandeis basketball has two freshmen in Quron Zene and Ethan Edwards who are going to compete for UAA Rookie of the Year vs Emory freshmen Benjamin Pearce and Jair Knight.  NYU freshman Quinn Clark is also a candidate in that UAA race as well. 

Some of the NYU women's basketball coaching staff asked me before the men's game who people should watch, and I told them that the Brandeis "core 4" entering the NYU vs Brandeis men's game were Toby Harris, Ryan Power, Quron Zene, and Ethan Edwards.

I only thought of Dylan Lien as a great support player who can back up this core group of 4 before Saturday.  Dylan Lien had only 1 20 point game before a few days ago, and that was in the Brandeis loss against Babson back in December.  Lien was only held to 2 points last Monday at Christopher Newport-- if you told me Saturday morning that Dylan Lien would have the game of his career and lead Brandeis to victory over NYU on Saturday, I would have probably said that I will believe it when I see it.

That being said, I really hope that Dylan Lien does not end up being-- in the words of Dickie V-- a "Dow Joneser"-- I can take Lien scoring on average 15 to 20 pts a game in UAA play to help relieve the pressure that defenses will bring on Toby Harris.

As Dickie V would say, Quron Zene and Ethan Edwards are true "diaper dandies". 

BTW, I did say to NYU men's basketball coach Dave Klatsky "Welcome to the UAA" during warm up.

Also, BTW, if you are trying to ask me if Survivor castaways Monica and Brad Culpepper were in the Auerbach Arena on Saturday, they most likely watched the doubleheader on livestream.  I didn't see them in the building.

I did see former Brandeis women's basketball players Audra Lissell and Rachael Kostegan at the men's game, however.

As has been my personal tradition from the past year, I stand at the top of the bleachers to watch the men's game in-person, while I am seated in the bleachers for the women's game.

While Brandeis mostly led throughout the game, it was still a basketball game until about 5 minutes left, when the Judges put the game away with a 15-0 run before NYU scored the final 3 points of the game.

I congratulate the officials for allowing the "chess match" between coaches Jean Bain and Dave Klatsky to proceed, and I hope that I get the same next Friday at the Wash U Field House vs Coach Pat Juckem.    If there is assigned a crew in St. Louis on Friday who refs in the same way that the crews who officiated the Christopher Newport men's game vs Brandeis last Monday and who officiated the Christopher Newport women's game vs the Wash and Lee Generals yesterday (the Generals are coached by former Brandeis women's basketball player Christine Clancy, BTW), I am silently going to have a fit.

PS-- NYU no longer plays the alma mater before the singing of the national anthem at NYU home basketball games, because NYU modernized the alma mater a few years ago to now have the first verse represent Washington Square rather than the University Heights campus.  The modern version got performed at NYU commencement last spring to represent the NYU classes of 2020, 2021, and 2022, and from now on, if anyone wants to sing the NYU alma mater and sings the traditional Palisades lyrics, they will be singing it wrong.

Here are the modern lyrics of the NYU alma mater, now representing the Washington Square campus-- I am glad that I did not have to sing it last Saturday to commemorate a Brandeis men's basketball loss to NYU.   I heard these lyrics sung on Facebook yesterday and it just makes me want to cry. (In joy or in pain?  You decide....)  BTW, it is sung in the same melody and key as the Palisades:

New lyrics composed by Dorothy I. Pearce  -- NYU Class of 1948: Masters in Education, 1963.

Oh stately square that lies before us
These stony portals straight and strong
The birthplace of our alma mater
We'll ever praise in splendid song
The archway ever stands triumphant
Protecting all we seek to do
Will be Fore'er our inspiration
Oh Honored NYU.

But enough of talking about that song.  LOL. 

Any comments from the other men's basketball games played on Saturday?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 09, 2023, 01:53:55 PM
Another thing to pass on--

RIP, Christian Yemga (#5), Brandeis class of 2011 and former member of Brandeis men's basketball for four seasons from the 2007-08 team to the 2010-11 team.  Helped lead Brandeis to 3 NCAA tournament appearances, including Brandeis's last appearance in the Elite Eight in the 2009-10 season.  Also helped Brandeis to win the ECAC New England Championship in the 2010-11 season.

Christian Yemga was a native of Cameroon and passed away in October, 2022, in a tragic automobile accident.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 09, 2023, 02:28:50 PM
No need to apologize, I was curious what you had to say about what was ultimately the only game close to an upset over the weekend.  To the extent that you can call any home win in the UAA and upset, this season.

I did get to see both Washington University wins over the University of Chicago.  The Women's game was incredible and may be the second best win of the Henderson era after the road win over Chicago a few years ago.  That game is definitely worth watching on demand.

As for the Men's game, the Maroons hit some tough shots in the first half to take a lead at intermission.  For example, 6-5 Hopkins knocked down a three-pointer over the outstretched hand of 6-10 Wolf prompting Wolf to look over at the bench and shrug his shoulders as if to (correctly) say that no one was going to block that. 

The Bears easily won the second half, holding the Maroons to just 17 points scored.  0-8 from the perimeter.

I did not expect to see two posts in the game at a time, but that is working way better than I would have guessed, so look for that on Friday at times.  Size-wise, the Bears stack up well against Brandeis, but the additional option may be good to have.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 09, 2023, 04:00:18 PM
WUPHF--

If it was last year, Wash U would have archived the basketball games and I would be able to see it.

However, when Wash U changed streaming partners, the Wash U athletic department also changed their archive policies on their streams.

Starting this year, the Wash U Sports Network no longer archives home basketball games involving their own teams.  I have to watch their games on livestream as it happens.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 09, 2023, 04:12:19 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 09, 2023, 04:00:18 PM
However, when Wash U changed streaming partners, the Wash U athletic department also changed their archive policies on their streams.

That is a shame, but I am not sure if anyone else in the league offers their games as on demand.  Rochester maybe for a fee.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 09, 2023, 04:26:31 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 09, 2023, 04:12:19 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 09, 2023, 04:00:18 PM
However, when Wash U changed streaming partners, the Wash U athletic department also changed their archive policies on their streams.

That is a shame, but I am not sure if anyone else in the league offers their games as on demand.  Rochester maybe for a fee.

Rochester's games are on demand on their pay service, and I pay $10.95 a month to use it during basketball season.  I cancel the monthly subscription after the season ends.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 09, 2023, 04:33:10 PM
Brandeis has announced that Ethan Edwards has earned his first career UAA Athlete of the Week honor for men's basketball for the week, January 9--

brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2022-23/releases/20230109o1shyt  (http://brandeisjudges.com/sports/mbkb/2022-23/releases/20230109o1shyt)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 09, 2023, 04:46:22 PM
It looks like Edwards and Benjamin Pearce got the honors.

By the way, Dylan Lien was getting starts as a freshman.  You do have to go back a while to see him a potential all-UAA player, but then he lost his sophomore season due to Covid and has been a reserve more often than not ever since.  A quality player though.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 09, 2023, 04:48:35 PM
As for Rochester, maybe I'll wait until January 27 so I can get the full season as on demand.  That is good to know.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 09, 2023, 04:51:03 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 09, 2023, 04:46:22 PM
It looks like Edwards and Benjamin Pearce got the honors.

By the way, Dylan Lien was getting starts as a freshman.  You do have to go back a while to see him a potential all-UAA player, but then he lost his sophomore season due to Covid and has been a reserve more often than not ever since.  A quality player though.

Yes, I remember seeing that in the past rosters.  However, a lot of times, the question about any player is "what have you done for me lately?"   Potential is just that, potential, until it is realized.  Glad to see that Dylan Lien has finally broken through.  Better late than never.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 09, 2023, 04:55:48 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 09, 2023, 04:51:03 PM
Glad to see that Dylan Lien has finally broken through.  Better late than never.

True, true!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 09, 2023, 05:02:12 PM
The new D3Hoops.com Top 25 men's basketball poll is out, and here are the rankings of the UAA men's teams in the poll this week:

#7-- Case Western Reserve-- 417 pts.

#9-- Rochester-- 409 pts.

#16-- Emory-- 242 pts.

NYU has dropped out of the top 25

RV-- NYU-- 61 pts.

RV-- Wash U-- 22 pts.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2023, 04:15:15 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 09, 2023, 04:46:22 PM
It looks like Edwards and Benjamin Pearce got the honors.

By the way, Dylan Lien was getting starts as a freshman.  You do have to go back a while to see him a potential all-UAA player, but then he lost his sophomore season due to Covid and has been a reserve more often than not ever since.  A quality player though.

Because of COVID-19, the 2020-21 year does not count.   You evaluate Dylan Lien as though this year is his athletic junior season.  Even though Dylan Lien can academically graduate this year, he still has 1 more year of college eligibility left after this season, of which he can take up to 2 years to complete.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2023, 07:21:30 AM
Named to the D3Hoops.com Team of the Week for Week 7 (Games played Jan. 2-8, 2023):

Benjamin Pearce, Emory.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 10, 2023, 09:11:38 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 10, 2023, 04:15:15 AM
Because of COVID-19, the 2020-21 year does not count.   You evaluate Dylan Lien as though this year is his athletic junior season.  Even though Dylan Lien can academically graduate this year, he still has 1 more year of college eligibility left after this season, of which he can take up to 2 years to complete.

I am aware of the Covid-related flexibility to the eligibility requirements. 

Two players on my favorite team have taken advantage of the additional flexibility.

I would argue going 600 or more days without formal games or practices can best be described as a lost season though.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2023, 01:21:22 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 10, 2023, 09:11:38 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 10, 2023, 04:15:15 AM
Because of COVID-19, the 2020-21 year does not count.   You evaluate Dylan Lien as though this year is his athletic junior season.  Even though Dylan Lien can academically graduate this year, he still has 1 more year of college eligibility left after this season, of which he can take up to 2 years to complete.

I am aware of the Covid-related flexibility to the eligibility requirements. 

Two players on my favorite team have taken advantage of the additional flexibility.

I would argue going 600 or more days without formal games or practices can best be described as a lost season though.

I would concur with you on that argument based on how it feels to the fans and the athletes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 10, 2023, 02:54:36 PM
And speaking of eligibility, Case Western Reserve hoping to get senior Cole Frilling back next year.  That would be big.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUOT3KwS_To
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 12, 2023, 02:28:49 PM
Reviewing the results from last week-- First, we review what the scoreline predictions from Snyder's efficiency ratings website on Round 1 were coming into game play last Saturday.   Then, the results.

Quote from: deiscanton on January 07, 2023, 03:52:51 AM
Saturday January 7, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball games today courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html  (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's net efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning:  For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  Carnegie Mellon at CWRU-- CWRU 84, Carnegie Mellon 78

CWRU has a 72% chance of winning and is a -6.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 79 possessions per team.

Over/under total is 161.5

2.)  NYU at Brandeis-- Brandeis 71, NYU 80

Brandeis has a 22% chance of winning and is a +8.5 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 70 possessions per team.

Over/under total is 151.0

3.)  Rochester at Emory-- Rochester 79, Emory 82

Emory has a 59% chance of winning and is a -2.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 78 possessions per team.

Over/under total is 161.5

4.)  UChicago at Wash U-- UChicago 55, Wash U 68

Wash U has a 88% chance of winning and is a -13 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 62 possessions per team.

Over/under total is 123.0

Results--

1.)  Case Western Reserve 74, Carnegie Mellon 69    CMU covers the +6.5 road underdog spread.

Final total of game was 143-- Under won that one.

CWRU had approx 73 possessions in the win-- Game tempo was a little slower than initally predicted.

2.)  Brandeis 81, NYU 61-- Home underdog won outright.

Final total of game was 142-- Under won that one.

Brandeis had approx 63 possessions in the win-- Game tempo was a little slower than initially predicted.

3.) Emory 87, Rochester 76--  Emory covered the 2.5 point home favorite spread.

Final game total was 163-- Over won that one.

Emory had approx 78 possessions in the win-- Game tempo went exactly as predicted.

4.)  Wash U 71, Chicago 54-- Wash U covered the 13 point home favorite spread.

Final game total was 125-- Over won that one.

Wash U had approx 62 possessions in the win-- Game tempo went exactly as predicted.

(Formula for calculating possessions-- Number of FGA - Number of offensive rebounds + Number of turnovers committed + (.475 X Number of FTA)).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 13, 2023, 05:49:11 AM
Friday, January 13, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html  (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  CWRU at Rochester-- Rochester 83, CWRU 78

Rochester has a 68% chance to win this game, and is a -5.0 pt home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 72 possessions per team.

Over/under total is 160.5

2.)  Carnegie Mellon at Emory-- Emory 83, Carnegie Mellon 73

Emory has an 83% chance to win this game, and is a -10.5 pt home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 83 possessions per team.

Over/under total is 156.5

3.)  NYU at UChicago-- UChicago 65, NYU 77

UChicago has a 14% chance to win this game, and is a +12 pt. home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 67 possessions per team.

Over/under total is 143.0

4.)  Brandeis at Wash U-- Wash U 68, Brandeis 61

Wash U has a 73% chance to win this game, and is a -6.5 pt. home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 65 possessions per team.

Over/under total is 129.0
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 13, 2023, 09:00:54 AM
I watched D3 Datacast's last episode on YouTube and they were ranking the top 3 teams in each region, currently. I was surprised to see Brandeis #2 in Region 2. That must be an extremely weak region. Brandeis is 9-3. Rochester lead Region 3. NYU was 3rd in Region 4 and Emory was #2 in Region 6. Despite being 11-0, CWR didn't make the top 3 in Region 7. Those spots went to Mt. Union, JCU and Wooster. Wash U was nowhere to be found in Region 8 with the CCIW filling all 3 of those spots. Wash U's SOS was noted to be really low after playing a mostly SLIAC non-conference schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: TheOsprey on January 13, 2023, 09:16:19 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 13, 2023, 09:00:54 AM
I watched D3 Datacast's last episode on YouTube and they were ranking the top 3 teams in each region, currently. I was surprised to see Brandeis #2 in Region 2. That must be an extremely weak region. Brandeis is 9-3. Rochester lead Region 3. NYU was 3rd in Region 4 and Emory was #2 in Region 6. Despite being 11-0, CWR didn't make the top 3 in Region 7. Those spots went to Mt. Union, JCU and Wooster. Wash U was nowhere to be found in Region 8 with the CCIW filling all 3 of those spots. Wash U's SOS was noted to be really low after playing a mostly SLIAC non-conference schedule.
Greek - don't get too wrapped up in computer projections and opinionated polls.  WashU will have a strong  SOS after league play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2023, 09:29:08 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 13, 2023, 09:00:54 AM
I watched D3 Datacast's last episode on YouTube and they were ranking the top 3 teams in each region, currently. I was surprised to see Brandeis #2 in Region 2. That must be an extremely weak region. Brandeis is 9-3. Rochester lead Region 3. NYU was 3rd in Region 4 and Emory was #2 in Region 6. Despite being 11-0, CWR didn't make the top 3 in Region 7. Those spots went to Mt. Union, JCU and Wooster. Wash U was nowhere to be found in Region 8 with the CCIW filling all 3 of those spots. Wash U's SOS was noted to be really low after playing a mostly SLIAC non-conference schedule.

Is this a rhetorical comment?  Or do I need to remind you that in Division III basketball, the Midwest is best?  In most things for that matter...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 13, 2023, 12:34:39 PM
Speaking of toughest schedules by OWP and cumulative OWP of the UAA teams, according to NCAA Stats, here they are going into today:

Link:   stats.ncaa.org/rankings/change_sport_year_div  (http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings/change_sport_year_div)

Set sport to Men's Basketball, set division to III, then click on Misc. Reports, then click on Toughest Schedule

This schedule report was created today at 9:02 AM Eastern, and includes games through last night:

1.)  Rochester-- OWP of past opposition is .687 (#2 in DIII)  (103-47)

OWP of future opposition is .771 (121-36)

OWP of cumulative opposition is .730 (224-83)

2.)  Emory-- OWP of past opposition is .631 (#12 in DIII) (106-62)

OWP of future opposition is .777 (122-35)

OWP of cumulative opposition is .702 (228-97)

3.)  Carnegie Mellon-- OWP of past opposition is .606 (#21 in DIII) (103-67)

OWP of future opposition is .795 (124-32)

OWP of cumulative opposition is .696 (227-99)

4.)  Brandeis-- OWP of past opposition is .523 (#143 in DIII) (91-83)

OWP of future opposition is .794 (123-32)

OWP of cumulative opposition is .650 (214-115)

5.)  U.Chicago-- OWP of past opposition is .497 (#202 in DIII) (80-81)

OWP of future opposition is .809 (127-30)

OWP of cumulative opposition is .651 (207-111)

6.)  NYU-- OWP of past opposition is .481 (#236 in DIII) (77-83)

OWP of future opposition is .769 (120-36)

OWP of cumulative oppostion is .623 (197-119)

7.)  Wash U-- OWP of past opposition is .476 (#245 in DIII ) (78-86)

OWP of future opposition is .796 (125-32)

OWP of cumulative opposition is .632 (203-118)

8.)  Case Western Reserve U-- OWP of past opposition is .393 (#393 in DIII) (55-85)

OWP of future opposition is .772 (122-36)

OWP of cumulative opposition is .594 (177-121)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 13, 2023, 12:47:47 PM
Regarding the Region 2 opponents that Brandeis played this season, 3 of the 4 Region 2 teams that Brandeis played were the teams out of the region that got 3 out of the 20 Pool C bids last season.

Here are their current records:

UMass-Dartmouth:  3-11 (Got selected with a 24-4 mark last season)-- Brandeis defeated the Corsairs this season.

Babson: 8-6 (Got selected with an 18-7 mark last season)-- Brandeis lost to Babson this season (Babson had Nate Amado in the lineup in that game.)

One of Babson's 6 losses this season is to U.Chicago-- Babson lost at the Ratner Center without the services of Nate Amado, who was a key player in Babson's win at Brandeis this season.  Nate Amado got injured in Babson's game at Hope the game before UChicago, and hasn't played since.)

Emerson: 8-6 (Got selected with an 18-7 mark last season)-- Brandeis defeated Emerson this season.

Only other Region 2 team that Brandeis played this season was RI College-- Anchormen are currently 4-10, 2-4 LEC.

BTW, the D3 Datacast did mention about Emmanuel, which is at 10-4, 6-0 in GNAC right now, but the GNAC is in Region 1, so I'll wait until Feb. 8 to get an initial picture of where the whole of Region 1 stands.  For the first time ever, the Andy Yosinoff Court hosted a men's game between the Judges and the Saints, which Brandeis won in OT.  Brandeis used to play Emmanuel in women's basketball on a regular basis.

But enough of that discussion.  I know that if Brandeis does not go at least 9-5 in the UAA this season, any talk of a Pool C bid for the Judges won't matter, as Brandeis will not get it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 13, 2023, 07:25:06 PM
Ryan Algier update today--

According to JC DeLass in tonight's pregame vs CWRU-- Ryan Algier was able to return to practice this week and participated in this week's practices.

Although Ryan Algier is dressed in uniform, he will not play vs CWRU tonight.  This will be Algier's 4th straight missed game.

Still no definitive timetable on a return, as Algier's status is day-to-day.  Ryan Algier is reporting that he is still suffering some pain in his shooting hand as a lingering result of his recovery from a broken bone in his shooting hand.  JC DeLass is still hoping that Algier can return on Sunday vs Carnegie Mellon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 13, 2023, 08:17:00 PM
Halftime from the Louis Alexander Palestra in Rochester, NY--

Rochester 42, CWRU 32

Starting lineups are about to be introduced at Emory for the Carnegie Mellon at Emory men's game after the start of the women's game was delayed 45 minutes to tip due to late arrival of game officials.

Midwest games to tip at approx 8:30 PM Eastern. with NYU playing at Chicago, and Brandeis playing at Wash U.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 13, 2023, 08:53:45 PM
Halftime in Atlanta--

Carnegie Mellon 30, Emory 25

Emory-- 0 of 13 from 3 point range in the first half.

CMU held Emory leading scorer, freshman Benjamin Pearce, to 4 points in the first half.

The other top Emory freshman, Jair Knight, outscored his teammate by 3 pts in the first half, and has 7 points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 13, 2023, 09:03:31 PM
Final score from Louis Alexander Palestra in Rochester, NY--

Rochester 85, CWRU 69

Career high from Rochester's Matt Wheeler-- 26 points.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 13, 2023, 09:13:40 PM
Halftime from St. Louis--

Brandeis 32, Wash U 32

For Brandeis--

Dylan Lien-- Game high 14 points off the bench

Ethan Edwards-- 7 points

Griffin Walbridge-- 5 points

28 of Brandeis's 32 points came off the bench in the first half.

For Wash U--

Hayden Doyle leading with 8 points

Jake Wolf, Drake Kindsvater, and Will Grudzinski with 5 points a piece.

Wash U scored only 10 points off the bench.





Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 13, 2023, 09:19:44 PM
Halftime from Chicago--

NYU 39, UChicago 37

Michael Savarino did not play for NYU in the first half, and is probably not playing tonight.  I have no word as to why.

NYU starters tonight:  Spencer Freedman, Hayden Peek, Quinn Clark, Zay Freeney, and Cinque Stephens

Spencer Freedman leading NYU with 9 points.

UChicago starters tonight-- Bryce Hopkins, Thomas Kurowski, Ezra Moos, Joe Berry, and Arrish Bhandal.

Bryce Hopkins-- Game high 12 points

Thomas Kurowski-- 10 points.

BTW, NYU men have not won at the Ratner Center since the 2011-12 season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 13, 2023, 10:00:07 PM
Final from Atlanta--

Carnegie Mellon has defeated the defending UAA Champs at the WoodPEC tonight.

Carnegie Mellon 78, Emory 69
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 13, 2023, 10:08:16 PM
Final from St. Louis--

Wash U 73, Brandeis 65

Final stats indicate that it was a 63 possession game for both teams.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 13, 2023, 10:27:32 PM
Final from Chicago--

NYU 69, UChicago 64

NYU gets their first win at the Ratner Center since the 2011-12 season, and avoids going 0-3 on the road games at Brandeis, UChicago, and Wash U for the first time since the 2015-16 season.

NYU head coach Dave Klatsky picks up his first UAA victory.

Leading for NYU today was Spencer Freedman with a team high 21 points.  Freedman also had 4 rebounds and 2 assists.

Leading for UChicago today was Bryce Hopkins with a game high 22 points and a game high 9 rebounds.  Hopkins also had 1 assist.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 13, 2023, 10:42:27 PM
Reviewing the results from tonight--


Quote from: deiscanton on January 13, 2023, 05:49:11 AM
Friday, January 13, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html  (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  CWRU at Rochester-- Rochester 83, CWRU 78

Rochester has a 68% chance to win this game, and is a -5.0 pt home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 72 possessions per team.

Over/under total is 160.5

2.)  Carnegie Mellon at Emory-- Emory 83, Carnegie Mellon 73

Emory has an 83% chance to win this game, and is a -10.5 pt home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 83 possessions per team.

Over/under total is 156.5

3.)  NYU at UChicago-- UChicago 65, NYU 77

UChicago has a 14% chance to win this game, and is a +12 pt. home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 67 possessions per team.

Over/under total is 143.0

4.)  Brandeis at Wash U-- Wash U 68, Brandeis 61

Wash U has a 73% chance to win this game, and is a -6.5 pt. home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 65 possessions per team.

Over/under total is 129.0

Results-- Home team listed first

1.)  Rochester 85, CWRU 69   Rochester covers the -5.0 point home favorite spread.

Rochester had approx 77 possessions in the win-- Game tempo a little faster than initally predicted.

Game total is 154-- Under wins that one.

2.)  Emory 71, Carnegie Mellon 78-- Road underdog Carnegie Mellon wins this game outright. (Corrected for final box score)

Carnegie Mellon had approx 81 possessions in the win-- Game tempo about the same as predicted.

Game total is 149-- Under wins that one.

3.)  Wash U 73, Brandeis 65-- Wash U covers the -6.5 point home favorite spread.

Wash U had 63 possessions in the win-- Game tempo about the same as predicted.

Game total is 138-- Over wins that one.

4.)  UChicago 64, NYU 69-- UChicago covers the +12 point home underdog spread.

NYU had approx 65 possessions in the win-- Game tempo about the same as predicted.

Game total is 133-- Under wins that one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 14, 2023, 12:05:06 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 13, 2023, 09:13:40 PM

28 of Brandeis's 32 points came off the bench in the first half.

Wash U scored only 10 points off the bench.

Brandeis is bringing their second and third leading scorers off the bench and playing them substantial minutes.  26 and 28 minutes tonight, for example.  They are not the typical reserves.

I am not sure what these statistics say about the teams or the game they played.  People often use bench production as evidence of depth and I do not see that in Brandeis, yet.

As for the game, the Bears held Toby Harris and Ethan Edwards to a combined 10-30 from the field and played great team defense.  That was the difference.

Brandeis is a great team and one of the younger teams in the league.  The match-up in Waltham will be a battle.  I could easily see a 1-1 result in the series.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 05:30:46 AM
Sunday, January 15, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  CWRU at Emory

Emory 84, Case Western Reserve 78

Emory has a 70% chance to win this game, and is a -6.0 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 79 possessions per team.

O/U total is 162.5

2.)  Carnegie Mellon at Rochester

Rochester 81, Carnegie Mellon 73

Rochester has a 78% chance to win this game, and is a -8.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 76 possessions per team.

O/U total is 154.0

3.)  Brandeis at UChicago

UChicago 61, Brandeis 65

UChicago has a 36% chance to win this game, and is a +4.0 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 64 possessions per team.

O/U total is 125.5

4.)  NYU at Wash U

Wash U 73, NYU 73 at end of regulation-- Game is predicted to go into overtime

Wash U has a 51% chance to win this game in regulation and is a -0.5 home point favorite to win outright in regulation.

  This game is a push if it goes into overtime

O/U total is 146.5 Regulation only

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 07:59:49 AM
WUPHF--

I can see the Wash U men going 0-2 on the Brandeis/NYU road trip again this year, considering that Wash U will be playing NYU at the corner of Bleecker and Mercer in Manhattan, i.e. back on the main Washington Square Campus at the site of the former Coles Sports Center, for the first time in nearly 7 years. 

However, first things first.  Wash U plays NYU today at the Wash U Field House, and it is a Sunday noon local tip, a day where performance in these games could be the crucial factor in determining who wins the UAA title at the end of the season.

Michael Savarino did not play for NYU at UChicago on Friday, after starting the first 12 games of the season.  I am looking for a status update on him today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 11:51:12 AM
Rochester is hoping that Ryan Algier may get a few minutes off the bench today vs Carnegie Mellon.  Algier is dressed, but will not start.    Algier has been the most hopeful in weeks that he may give it a go for a few minutes today.  He has been recovering from a broken bone in his shooting hand that he sustained against Ithaca on Dec. 7.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 15, 2023, 12:01:48 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 07:59:49 AM
Wash U plays NYU today at the Wash U Field House, and it is a Sunday noon local tip, a day where performance in these games could be the crucial factor in determining who wins the UAA title at the end of the season.

I think this season goes down to the final weekend with every game being crucial. 

Possibly like 2013 when Rochester needed a win against Emory in the final game of conference play to win the league outright, but lost in Atlanta in the final game of the season.  Washington University defeated Chicago in the final in St. Louis to force a three-way tie.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 12:06:36 PM
17 min left in the first half in Rochester--

RJ Holmes (CMU) 6, Mitch Kersher (Rochester) 3   :)

With 14:47 left in the first half, Ryan Algier of Rochester checks into the game off the bench.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 12:14:51 PM
Ryan Algier has 1 block and 1 steal so far in his first 2 minutes off the bench for Rochester.

Ryan Algier has now made his first assist since the injury on Dec. 7, helping in Rochester's current run so far.   Rochester now up 9-6 with 12:11 left in the first half.

Algier is now back on the bench.  Rochester now up, 14-6, with 10:40 left in first half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 12:18:55 PM
Rochester now on a 15-0 run over the last 7:30, sparked by Ryan Algier's 3 minutes off the bench providing energy for Rochester.  Rochester went from down 6-3 to up 18-6 before CMU finally broke the run with a layup.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 12:24:20 PM
Ryan Algier checking back into the game for his second stint of action in the first half.

The scorekeeper has changed Ryan Algier's assist (given in error) to a made basket, as initially described by JC DeLass.

Algier now has scored 4 points in the half.  2-2 shooting from the field.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 12:30:38 PM
Rochester has checked in freshman #15 Tomiwa Aditosoye for his first minutes of action this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 12:39:01 PM
Halftime at the Palestra in Rochester, NY--

Rochester 33, Carnegie Mellon 22

The 22 points scored by the Tartans in the first half is the fewest that Rochester has given up in a first half this season.1

For Rochester, Ross Gang leading with a game high 14 points, followed by Mitch Kershner with 6 points.

Ryan Algier is next with 4 points on 2-2 shooting from the field, scored in his 5 minutes of action off the bench.  Algier also has 1 block and 1 steal.

For Carnegie Mellon, R.J. Holmes leads with 8 points, followed by Jack Stone and Justin Allen with 5 points a piece.

Rochester committed 13 turnovers in the first half, 8 of them unforced.  The Yellowjackets will have to do a better job in the second half on this.

Carnegie Mellon committed 9 turnovers in the first half, 8 of them a result of Rochester steals.

Carnegie Mellon held to 0-8 in 3 point shooting in the first half.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 01:07:21 PM
Carnegie Mellon has rallied in the second half.

Rochester 50, Carnegie Mellon 48 10:49 left in regulation.

In St. Louis, Michael Savarino is back in the starting lineup for NYU after missing 1 game.

In Rochester, Carnegie Mellon now leading 51-50 with 10:34 left in regulation.

In Atlanta, Emory leading 47-39 over CWRU with 17:10 left in regulation.

Early in the first half in Chicago, Brandeis and UChicago tied at 4-4.

Early in the first half in St. Louis, Wash U leading over NYU 7-4 with 15:42 left in first half.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 01:10:45 PM
After going 0-8 from 3 pt range in the first half, Carnegie Mellon has hit 6-8 (75% second half) from 3 pt range in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 01:12:45 PM
At the Ratner Center, the score is Thomas Kurowski (UChicago) 9, Brandeis 6 with 13 min left in first half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 01:19:59 PM
CWRU has now rallied back to take their first lead of the ball game.  Spartans up 61-60 over Emory with 9:29 left in regulation.

In Rochester, Rochester up 66-64 over Carnegie Mellon with 3:26 left in regulation.

Time to start watching the finish from the Palestra on livestream.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 01:24:51 PM
Game update--

Rochester up 70-68 with 1:36 left in regulation.

Tartans have not won a UAA road game at the Palestra in 9 years.

Game update--

Rochester up 73-70 with 1:09 to play.  CMU ball coming out of a timeout.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 01:30:22 PM
Game update--

Rochester up 76-73 over Carnegie Mellon with 14.5 seconds left.  CMU ball coming out of a timeout with a chance to send this to overtime.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 01:32:14 PM
RJ Holmes's attempt to tie the game hits the front of the rim and does not go in.

Final from the Palestra in Rochester, NY--

Rochester 76, Carnegie Mellon 73
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 01:33:25 PM
Time to watch the final minutes from Atlanta--

Emory and Case Western Reserve tied at 70-70 with 3:27 left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 01:35:47 PM
Halftime scores in the Midwest--

Wash U 37, NYU 35

UChicago 30, Brandeis 28

In Atlanta, game tied at 73-73 with 1:35 left in regulation.

1:13 remaining-- Emory up 75-73.   CWRU ball coming out of a timeout.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 01:39:39 PM
Emory has just committed an unforced turnover.

It is now CWRU ball coming out of a timeout.  Emory up 75-73 with 18.6 seconds remaining.

Emory has 2 timeouts remaining to CWRU's one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 01:41:22 PM
Mitch Prendergast has tied the game for the Spartans.

Then Benjamin Pearce of Emory got charged with an offensive foul.

Game tied at 75-75 with 2 seconds left.   CWRU with a chance to win this in regulation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 01:43:36 PM
Emory freshman Jair Knight intercepts the throw-in and calls the final timeout of regulation for the Eagles.

Emory with a chance to win the game with 1.1 seconds left.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 01:44:46 PM
In Atlanta, we are heading to overtime with Emory and Case Western Reserve tied at 75-75 at the end of regulation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 01:48:51 PM
Thanks to the new Wash U Mobile app, I have the Emory vs CWRU game playing on my Chromebook, the Wash U vs NYU game playing on my smartphone, and the Brandeis at UChicago game playing on the Boxcast app on my Roku TV.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 02:03:53 PM
Final from the WoodPEC in Atlanta--

Emory 90, Case Western Reserve 81 (OT).

Emory had 4 players score in double figures, led by Emory freshman Benjamin Pearce with 23 points and Emory freshman Jair Knight with 18 points. 

Mason Johnson of Emory with a double double of 16 points and 10 rebounds, followed by Cale Martens with 14 points.

CWRU also had 4 players score in double figures, led by Mitch Prendergast with a game high 25 points in defeat.

Cole Frilling had a double double with 18 points and 12 rebounds.

Umar Rashid scored 14 points, and Ian Elam scored 11 points for the Spartans.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 02:07:21 PM
Game updates in the Midwest--

Brandeis 41, UChicago 40 with 11:42 left in second half.

Wash U 52, NYU 42 with 11:34 left in second half.

At UChicago, both Brandeis and UChicago are suffering from tough shooting caused by the other team's defenses.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 15, 2023, 02:50:58 PM
Wow, great day in the UAA.

Wash U 68 NYU 64
Emory wins in OT, 90-81
Rochester 76 CMU 73
Brandeis 66 Chicago 65
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 02:58:06 PM
Finals from the Midwest--

Wash U 68, NYU 64

Brandeis escapes from Ratner with a 66-65 win over UChicago.   In the Coach Jean Bain era, Brandeis men remain perfect at 4-0 in games played vs UChicago at Ratner Center.

Exciting win for the Judges-- pulled it out in the end, when they needed it.

For neutrals, this Sunday defines what the UAA is all about, as all 4 men's basketball games went down to the final minute, and even into overtime today.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 02:59:43 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 15, 2023, 02:50:58 PM
Wow, great day in the UAA.

Wash U 68 NYU 64
Emory wins in OT, 90-81
Rochester 76 CMU 73
Brandeis 66 Chicago 65

You said it, Greek Tragedy.   Did you follow all 4 games on livestream?  T
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 15, 2023, 04:06:26 PM
Oh no. I barely watch Pointer games, let alone Livestreams of UAA games. LOL. I was just checking live stats while playing 500 Rummy with the wife.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 05:12:06 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 15, 2023, 04:06:26 PM
Oh no. I barely watch Pointer games, let alone Livestreams of UAA games. LOL. I was just checking live stats while playing 500 Rummy with the wife.

Oh, that's right!  The Rochester livestream is behind a paywall.... Should have known.   I do a monthly subscription to Rochester's service during basketball season.  I can't expect neutral fans outside the UAA to pay for livestreams of Rochester home games.  LOL.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 05:28:54 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 15, 2023, 12:01:48 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 07:59:49 AM
Wash U plays NYU today at the Wash U Field House, and it is a Sunday noon local tip, a day where performance in these games could be the crucial factor in determining who wins the UAA title at the end of the season.

I think this season goes down to the final weekend with every game being crucial. 

Possibly like 2013 when Rochester needed a win against Emory in the final game of conference play to win the league outright, but lost in Atlanta in the final game of the season.  Washington University defeated Chicago in the final in St. Louis to force a three-way tie.

It could go to tiebreakers this season to determine an AQ, but it is too early in the UAA season to write about detailed tiebreaker scenarios.   That can wait until the final week or next to final week of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 06:04:45 PM
Reviewing the results from today--

Quote from: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 05:30:46 AM
Sunday, January 15, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  CWRU at Emory

Emory 84, Case Western Reserve 78

Emory has a 70% chance to win this game, and is a -6.0 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 79 possessions per team.

O/U total is 162.5

2.)  Carnegie Mellon at Rochester

Rochester 81, Carnegie Mellon 73

Rochester has a 78% chance to win this game, and is a -8.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 76 possessions per team.

O/U total is 154.0

3.)  Brandeis at UChicago

UChicago 61, Brandeis 65

UChicago has a 36% chance to win this game, and is a +4.0 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 64 possessions per team.

O/U total is 125.5

4.)  NYU at Wash U

Wash U 73, NYU 73 at end of regulation-- Game is predicted to go into overtime

Wash U has a 51% chance to win this game in regulation and is a -0.5 home point favorite to win outright in regulation.

  This game is a push if it goes into overtime

O/U total is 146.5 Regulation only

Results--  home team score listed first.

(Formula for possessions in a game-- # of FGA team took - # of offensive rebounds + # of turnovers committed + (.475 X #FTA taken by team).

1.)  Rochester 76, Carnegie Mellon 73--  Carnegie Mellon covers the +8.5 point road underdog spread.

Rochester had approx 73 possessions in the ballgame-- Game tempo slightly slower than predicted.

Total is 149-- Under wins that one.

2.)  Emory 90, Case Western Reserve 81 (OT)-- Emory covers the -6.0 point home favorite spread.

Emory had approx 88 possessions in the 45 minute ballgame-- Game tempo about as predicted.

Total is 171-- Over wins that one.

3.)  Wash U 68, NYU 64-- Wash U won outright in regulation and covers the +0.5 point home favorite spread.

Wash U had approx 67 possessions in the ballgame.  Game tempo about as predicted (68 was the predicted pace).

Total is 132-- Under wins that one.

4.)  UChicago 65, Brandeis 66-- UChicago covers the +4.0 pt home underdog spread.

Brandeis had approx 70 possessions in the game--  Game tempo slightly quicker than predicted (64 was the predicted pace).

Total is 131-- Over wins that one.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 15, 2023, 07:18:41 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 05:28:54 PM
It could go to tiebreakers this season to determine an AQ, but it is too early in the UAA season to write about detailed tiebreaker scenarios.   That can wait until the final week or next to final week of the season.

I am not talking about the tiebreakers.  The UAA awards co-championships and if it comes down to co-champions, those teams will not need to AQ to get a tournament bid.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 15, 2023, 07:26:33 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 15, 2023, 07:18:41 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 05:28:54 PM
It could go to tiebreakers this season to determine an AQ, but it is too early in the UAA season to write about detailed tiebreaker scenarios.   That can wait until the final week or next to final week of the season.

I am not talking about the tiebreakers.  The UAA awards co-championships and if it comes down to co-champions, those teams will not need to AQ to get a tournament bid.

Maybe there will be 4 co-champs and none of them will get a bid...well, ok, just one. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 10:54:28 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 15, 2023, 07:18:41 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 05:28:54 PM
It could go to tiebreakers this season to determine an AQ, but it is too early in the UAA season to write about detailed tiebreaker scenarios.   That can wait until the final week or next to final week of the season.

I am not talking about the tiebreakers.  The UAA awards co-championships and if it comes down to co-champions, those teams will not need to AQ to get a tournament bid.

Maybe not this season, but the UChicago women were UAA Co-Champions with Wash U with a 12-2 record in the UAA in the 2014-15 season.  Wash U won the AQ by tiebreaker due to the Bears's head-to-head sweep over UChicago.  Due to UChicago's 6-5 non-conference record and their results vs regionally ranked opponents outside of the UAA, the UChicago women did not get a Pool C bid that season despite an overall winning percentage for the Maroons that was over .700
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 16, 2023, 12:09:34 AM
The co-champions, if we get them, will not need the AQ this season though.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2023, 07:01:14 AM
A health update from me--

After a few years of successfully avoiding catching COVID-19, I have tested positive this morning on a Flowflex Rapid Antigen test for the disease.   I have been very careful to wear my N95 mask when in public in indoor locations.   The last public event that I went to was the NYU at Brandeis doubleheader in Waltham on January 7.  My symptoms developed over the weekend.  I am currently suffering from a lot of post nasal drip, a lot of sneezing, and some coughing over the past few days.  I currently have no fever at the moment.  Normally in past winters, I could dismiss it as a cold, but I will have to look into Paxlovid this morning due to my obesity. 

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 16, 2023, 08:41:45 AM
Get better soon. Hope it's not too serious.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 16, 2023, 09:07:53 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 16, 2023, 07:01:14 AM
A health update from me--

After a few years of successfully avoiding catching COVID-19, I have tested positive this morning on a Flowflex Rapid Antigen test for the disease.   I have been very careful to wear my N95 mask when in public in indoor locations.   The last public event that I went to was the NYU at Brandeis doubleheader in Waltham on January 7.  My symptoms developed over the weekend.  I am currently suffering from a lot of post nasal drip, a lot of sneezing, and some coughing over the past few days.  I currently have no fever at the moment.  Normally in past winters, I could dismiss it as a cold, but I will have to look into Paxlovid this morning due to my obesity.

Well, that sucks. Hope you recover quickly.

It seems that the six or seven days between the NYU/Brandeis games and the onset of symptoms is longer than it usually takes for symptoms to appear. My wife caught it 11 months ago with symptoms appearing in about three days. (I lucked out and didn't get it from her -- or else got it but was asymptomatic.) Same for my son in Tempe, AZ last May and a friend living in an RV out west who got in early December. Any chance there is another place you could have caught it after those games?

My wife was helped tremendously by Paxlovid. My son was also helped, but then got the "Paxlovid rebound" (return of some symptoms after the medicine left his system). My friend out west (77 years old) decided not to take the Paxlovid and recovered just fine. Perhaps each of them got a different strain of the virus. Anyway, I hope this turns out to be a minor inconvenience for you. Stay safe and get well soon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2023, 10:42:29 AM
I did not go to any other public events since January 7.   I have always worn my N95 mask on public transit, at the supermarket, and when I went to regular fast food places or in other indoor buildings, I only had my mask off when eating.   Unfortunately, practically no one else was masked in any of these settings, even during the week when the Boston area's community risk level was at high.   One way masking can only do so much. 

This XBB.1.5 subvariant is so sneaky that you can do the best you can to avoid it and still get it. 

I had a telehealth consultation with a clinician this morning and will be getting Paxlovid home delivered to me tomorrow or Wednesday.  I cannot risk taking the 5 minute walk to the CVS or Shaw's/Osco pharmacy and infecting others this week.

The clinician told me that there is a 5% chance of a Paxlovid rebound, but that I cannot take my avorstatin medication while taking Paxlovid, so I am off the statin for about the next 2 weeks starting tomorrow morning.    If I take my statin at the usual time tomorrow, I would have to wait until 5 PM Eastern tomorrow evening to start Paxlovid treatment.  The clinician also told me that the latest I can start Paxlovid treatment is Wednesday, since symptoms developed over the weekend.

That is it for my health update for now...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 16, 2023, 10:58:03 AM
In other UAA news--

TitanQ has confirmed to me in a written statement that he received from NYU Athletics yesterday and forwarded to me that due to a pipe burst either last month or earlier this month in the basement of the new Paulson Center at 181 Mercer Street that has required the entire basketball court to be resurfaced, this weekend's UAA home games involving NYU have been moved to the Brooklyn Athletic Facility at 6 Metrotech Center.

I had heard about the pipe burst from coach Meg Barber of the NYU women's basketball team at the doubleheader at Brandeis on January 7, and about how the NYU teams wanted 1 extra week on the road this upcoming weekend rather than hosting games in Brooklyn.  They were concerned on January 7th at they would not be able to enter the new gym on Mercer Street due to the pipe burst for the first time until the morning of the scheduled home opener this Friday.  With a lot that could go wrong at the new place this weekend, it seems that moving this weekend's games to Brooklyn makes sense.

It is my belief that NYU is still hoping that the Mercer Street gym can be ready for the Carnegie Mellon/Case Western games on January 27th and 29th, from what I heard back on January 7th.

Keep in mind, though, that the court known as the Pope that NYU used last season closed its doors for good a few months ago when St. Francis Brooklyn moved to their new campus.   The St. Francis Brooklyn Terriers now play their home basketball games at Pratt.

I had asked Meg Barber about an emergency court if the new Mercer Street gym was not ready by Friday.  She expressed a belief to me that the gym could possibly be resurfaced by this Friday, but that NYU would not be able to practice there for the full week before the games.

I am just hoping the moving of the games is just for about a week, or no more than two, and that the new gym will be ready for the February round of UAA games.

The rest of the 23 story Paulson Center is ready for use, with students scheduled to move into the dorms on the upper floors of the building on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2023, 12:07:16 PM

Bob Quillman uses a handy +1 for a road win, -1 for a home loss system to evaluate the CCIW before all the games have been played.  Seems like that would be really helpful for the UAA right now, too:

Brandeis  +1
CMU  +1
NYU  +1
CWRU  0
WashU  0
Rochester  0
Emory  -1
Chicago  -2

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 17, 2023, 08:36:00 AM
Last night on Hoopsville, I heard that the NYU Athletics Department was having a meeting on Wednesday as to the status of the basketball court in the basement of the new John A. Paulson Center at 181 Mercer Street in Manhattan.  As you probably know by now, a pipe burst has placed the return of NYU basketball to the corner of Bleecker and Mercer Streets on hold for the time being, and that UAA home games involving NYU will be played at the Brooklyn Athletic Facilty, also for the time being as well.

if anyone gets any information about what happened at the meeting this week and about whether or not any UAA basketball will be played on Mercer Street this season, please update me.

I have Amtrak tickets scheduled for a trip to New York for NYU Senior Day (when Brandeis is scheduled to play at NYU) in anticipation of the games being played at the new Paulson Center, and if that will no longer be the case as a result of the pipe burst, I will have to convert these "saver" tickets to credit for a future Amtrak trip and will also have to cancel my hotel reservation for Friday, Feb. 24.

After the closure of Coles Center back in Feb. 2016, I was looking forward to one last in-person trip to NYU this season to see for myself what replaced it.  I would hate to have to delay this trip to January 2024, but I will do it if necessary.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2023, 10:49:37 AM
I am sorry to hear about the Covid, @deiscanton.

I have to think you will get an answer if you e-mail NYU athletics.

As for the +1/-1 exercise, I do think that is interesting, but I have seen too many home losses to get on board with the hold serve theory when the teams are this evenly matched.

I do remember reading or listening to an interview with a Rochester player who said that there are advantages to the UAA road trips.  That he felt locked in as his only focus was basketball and homework.  And that the gyms felt familiar enough. 

The experience is surely very different than getting in a bus on game day and driving from Bloomington to the Quad Cities and back within a 12 hour period.  I am sure that the home teams are meeting and connecting Thursday-Sunday of UAA games, but those are weekends for the players to do things unrelated to homework or basketball.

I do not think the crowds have recovered to pre-Covid levels and so that is not necessarily the advantage it once was.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 17, 2023, 11:34:28 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 17, 2023, 10:49:37 AM
I am sorry to hear about the Covid, @deiscanton.

I have to think you will get an answer if you e-mail NYU Athletics.


I emailed Jeff Bernstein, (NYU Director of Athletic Communications), Janice Quinn, and coaches Meg Barber and Dave Klatsky this morning.   Hopefully, I will get a response soon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 17, 2023, 12:37:59 PM
Named to the D3Hoops.com Team of the Week for Week 8 (Games played January 9-15, 2023)

Ethan Edwards, Brandeis
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2023, 01:23:31 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 17, 2023, 12:37:59 PM
Named to the D3Hoops.com Team of the Week for Week 8 (Games played January 9-15, 2023)

Ethan Edwards, Brandeis

I have only seen him twice, but Edwards is going to be a future UAA player of the year candidate for sure.

Unfortunately, he will not get the rookie of the year honors as Benjamin Pearce is running away with it.  Pearce might be the front runner for the player of the year, but there are seniors and graduate students in the mix as well as Toby Harris so Pearce may have to wait his turn.

And speaking of Harris, I do not believe they continued with the sophomore of the year award in soccer so I assume that will not return for basketball either.

I am a little surprised by the choice on the Women's side given the elite performances by the Washington University and Chicago forwards, but hey...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 17, 2023, 01:43:29 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 17, 2023, 01:23:31 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 17, 2023, 12:37:59 PM
Named to the D3Hoops.com Team of the Week for Week 8 (Games played January 9-15, 2023)

Ethan Edwards, Brandeis

I have only seen him twice, but Edwards is going to be a future UAA player of the year candidate for sure.

Unfortunately, he will not get the rookie of the year honors as Benjamin Pearce is running away with it.  Pearce might be the front runner for the player of the year, but there are seniors and graduate students in the mix as well as Toby Harris so Pearce may have to wait his turn.

And speaking of Harris, I do not believe they continued with the sophomore of the year award in soccer so I assume that will not return for basketball either.

I am a little surprised by the choice on the Women's side given the elite performances by the Washington University and Chicago forwards, but hey...

The Team of the Week award selectors just seemed more impressed with Claire Brock's stat lines over the weekend on the women's side...  Plus, to be selected, one has to be nominated. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2023, 01:58:46 PM
I did look at the stat lines and they were all very close, but two did it against the then No. 1 / currently No. 10 or whatever team.

Case and Carnegie Mellon are better than Brandeis, but not by a lot.

It may have been that they were not nominated, definitely.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 17, 2023, 02:08:15 PM
Just got a reply from Jeff Bernstein of NYU via e-mail.  He has confirmed to me what Dave McHugh feared last night.   The opening of the new Mercer Street gym for basketball has been delayed until the start of the 2023-24 season.  All remaining NYU home basketball games this season will be played at the small Brooklyn Athletic Facility on the Tandon campus at 6 Metrotech Center due to the pipe burst at the basement of the Paulson Center.

I have just converted my Amtrak reservation to an evoucher good on future Amtrak trips and have just cancelled my hotel reservation.  I will watch Brandeis at NYU on Feb.24 on livestream due to the very small seating capacity of the Brooklyn facility, and the fact that I was not going to make a basketball trip to NYU unless the game was on Mercer Street.

Hopefully, I will be able to make the trip next January of 2024, as Brandeis is scheduled to play the first UAA conference game of the season at NYU according to next year's rotation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2023, 02:14:07 PM
Mercer Street is cursed! Cursed, I tell you...
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 18, 2023, 01:22:47 PM
Former Brandeis men's basketball head coach Chris Ford passed away yesterday at the age of 74.  An Atlantic City, NJ legend, Chris Ford made the first 3 pointer in NBA history.  Chris Ford was the head coach of the Judges from 2001-2003. 

RIP, Chris Ford.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 18, 2023, 03:58:45 PM
UAA Men's Basketball Athlete of the Week-- January 17

Matt Wiele, Rochester
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 20, 2023, 01:29:20 AM
Friday, January 20, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  Rochester at Brandeis

Brandeis 72, Rochester 72-- At end of regulation-- Game is predicted to go to overtime.

Brandeis has a 47% chance to win this game, and is a +0.5 point home underdog.-- To win or lose on the spread on this game, the final result must take place in regulation-- If the game goes in OT, the result is a push

Predicted game tempo is 69 possessions per team-- Regulation only

O/U total is 144 Regulation only

2.)  Emory at NYU

NYU 85, Emory 78

NYU has a 74% chance to win this game, and is a -7.0 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 78 possessions per team.

O/U total is 162.5

3.)  Wash U at CWRU

Case Western Reserve 72, Wash U 72-- At end of regulation-- Game is predicted to go into overtime.

CWRU has a 52% chance to win this game, and is a -0.5 point home favorite.  To win or lose against the spread on this one, the final result must take place in regulation-- If the game goes in overtime, the result is a push

Predicted game tempo is 69 possessions per team. Regulation only

O/U total is 143.5 Regulation only

4.)  UChicago at Carnegie Melllon

Carnegie Mellon 72, UChicago 62

Carnegie Mellon has an 83% chance to win this game  and is a -10.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 71 possessions per team

O/U total is 134.5
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 20, 2023, 03:41:13 PM
Update on Paulson Center athletic facilities located in the basement of 181 Mercer Street--

NYU Athletics posted a document on their website today on the Facilities portion of their website indicating a rough timetable of when certain portions of the athletics facilities in the Paulson Center at 181 Mercer Street will be open for students to use.

At the end of January, 2023, the squash courts, the fencing salle, and the wrestling room are scheduled to be open for athletic use.

Last to open will be the basketball courts, as they will have to be redone due to the flooding caused by a burst pipe.  NYU is still awaiting a timetable by the constructors on an opening for at least general student use.   

To get to the document, go to the Facilities page on  gonyuathletics.com  (http://gonyuathletics.com) and then click on the link for the John A. Paulson Center.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 20, 2023, 07:42:14 PM
Message to Josh Hertz and Asher Kaplan-- The Brandeis play by play and color commentator for this weekend, respectively--

If every voter with a top 25 ballot believes that this year's Brandeis men's basketball team belongs in the 26-30 range this week, that still means that Brandeis does not receive a top 25 vote.

If the Brandeis men go 2-0 this weekend, then you can at least ask for a deep dive on Brandeis for the Hoopsville Top 25 Double Take.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 20, 2023, 07:50:43 PM
It's always tough to go from zero points to enough points to crack the Top 25, but beating #7 Rochester and #18 Emory would go a long way into getting votes.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 20, 2023, 08:18:53 PM
Halftime in the UAA-- Friday, January 20, 2023

Home team listed first

1.)  Brandeis 43, Rochester 32
2.)  NYU 44, Emory 46
3.)  Carnegie Mellon 30, UChicago 36
4.)  CWRU 45, Wash U 26
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 20, 2023, 09:57:14 PM
Reviewing the results from tonight--


Quote from: deiscanton on January 20, 2023, 01:29:20 AM
Friday, January 20, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  Rochester at Brandeis

Brandeis 72, Rochester 72-- At end of regulation-- Game is predicted to go to overtime.

Brandeis has a 47% chance to win this game, and is a +0.5 point home underdog.-- To win or lose on the spread on this game, the final result must take place in regulation-- If the game goes in OT, the result is a push

Predicted game tempo is 69 possessions per team-- Regulation only

O/U total is 144 Regulation only

2.)  Emory at NYU

NYU 85, Emory 78

NYU has a 74% chance to win this game, and is a -7.0 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 78 possessions per team.

O/U total is 162.5

3.)  Wash U at CWRU

Case Western Reserve 72, Wash U 72-- At end of regulation-- Game is predicted to go into overtime.

CWRU has a 52% chance to win this game, and is a -0.5 point home favorite.  To win or lose against the spread on this one, the final result must take place in regulation-- If the game goes in overtime, the result is a push

Predicted game tempo is 69 possessions per team. Regulation only

O/U total is 143.5 Regulation only

4.)  UChicago at Carnegie Melllon

Carnegie Mellon 72, UChicago 62

Carnegie Mellon has an 83% chance to win this game  and is a -10.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 71 possessions per team

O/U total is 134.5

Results-- Home team listed first

1.)  Rochester at Brandeis

Brandeis 83, Rochester 72-- Brandeis won outright in regulation and covered the +0.5 point home underdog spread--

Brandeis had approx 75 possessions in the win-- Game tempo slightly quicker than predicted.

Total was 155-- Over won that one.

2.)  Emory at NYU

NYU 91, Emory 95--  Emory won outright and covered the spread as the road underdog

Emory had approx 75 possessions in the win-- Game tempo just a little slower than predicted.

Total was 186--Over won that one.

3.) Wash U at CWRU

CWRU 90, Wash U 75-- CWRU won outright and covered the spread as the home favorite.

CWRU had approx 74 possessions in the win-- Game tempo a bit quicker than predicted.

Total was 165-- Over won that one.

4.)  UChicago at Carnegie Mellon

Carnegie Mellon 66, UChicago 60-- UChicago covered the +10.5 point road underdog spread.

Carnegie Mellon had approx 71 possessions in the win-- Game tempo approx as predicted.

Total was 126-- Under won that one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 22, 2023, 12:51:00 AM
Sunday, January 22, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  Rochester at NYU

NYU 83, Rochester 77

NYU has a 71% chance to win this game, and is a -6.0 point home favorite

Predicted game tempo is 71 possessions per team

O/U total is 160.5

2.)  Emory at Brandeis

Brandeis 74, Emory 75

Brandeis has a 47% chance to win this game, and is a +1 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 76 possessions per team.

O/U total is 149.5

3.)  UChicago at CWRU

Case Western Reserve 77, UChicago 64

CWRU has an 87% chance to win this game, and is a -12.5 point home favorite

Predicted game tempo is 68 possessions per team

O/U total is 140.5

4.)  Wash U at Carnegie Melllon

Carnegie Mellon 69, Wash U 70

Carnegie Mellon has a 48% chance to win this game, and is a +0.5 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 72 possessions per team

O/U total is 139.0
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 22, 2023, 12:45:51 PM
Halftime in the UAA-- Sunday, January 22, 2023

Home team's score listed first

1.). Brandeis 36, Emory 36
2.). NYU 24, Rochester 29
3.)  Carnegie Mellon 35, Wash U 22
4.). CWRU 35, UChicago 43
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 22, 2023, 01:54:16 PM
Final scores in the UAA-- Sunday, January 23, 2023

Home team score listed first

1.)  Brandeis 71, Emory 73  (OT)

First half ended tied at 36-36; Game was tied 71-71 at the end of regulation; Emory won the overtime period 2-0

Game winner scored on a layup by Emory's Mason Johnson with 3:37 remaining in the overtime period.  Mason Johnson ended up my choice for Emory's player of the game with a team high 16 points.  Brandeis's Toby Harris scored a game high 26 points in the loss.

2.)  NYU 55, Rochester 72

3.)  Carnegie Mellon 71, Wash U 58

4.)  CWRU 77, UChicago 85

Road teams won 3 of the 4 Sunday games, with only Carnegie Mellon successfully defending home court.

UChicago gets first UAA win of the season, and will not go 0-14 on the slate.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 22, 2023, 02:00:53 PM
After 5 games in the UAA, we have:

1.)  Emory in sole possession of first place at 4-1 in the UAA.

2.)  A group of 4 teams 1 game back of Emory at 3-2 (Rochester, Brandeis, Wash U, Carnegie Mellon)

3.)  Case Western Reserve Univ is 2 games back of Emory in the standings.

4.)  NYU and UChicago are tied in last place at 1-4 in the UAA, and both teams winless in UAA games played on their home courts this season so far.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 22, 2023, 06:52:55 PM
Reviewing the results from today

Quote from: deiscanton on January 22, 2023, 12:51:00 AM
Sunday, January 22, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  Rochester at NYU

NYU 83, Rochester 77

NYU has a 71% chance to win this game, and is a -6.0 point home favorite

Predicted game tempo is 71 possessions per team

O/U total is 160.5

2.)  Emory at Brandeis

Brandeis 74, Emory 75

Brandeis has a 47% chance to win this game, and is a +1 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 76 possessions per team.

O/U total is 149.5

3.)  UChicago at CWRU

Case Western Reserve 77, UChicago 64

CWRU has an 87% chance to win this game, and is a -12.5 point home favorite

Predicted game tempo is 68 possessions per team

O/U total is 140.5

4.)  Wash U at Carnegie Melllon

Carnegie Mellon 69, Wash U 70

Carnegie Mellon has a 48% chance to win this game, and is a +0.5 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 72 possessions per team

O/U total is 139.0

Results from today-- Home team listed first

1.)  NYU 55, Rochester 72-- Road underdog won outright

Rochester had 78 possessions in the win-- Game played at a quicker pace than predicted.

Total is 127-- Under won that one.

2.)  Brandeis 71, Emory 73 (OT)-- Road team won and covered the spread.

Emory had 76 possessions in the win-- 68 of those were in regulation-- Game played at a slower pace than predicted.

Total is 144-- Under won that one.

3.)  CWRU 77, UChicago 85-- Road underdog won outright.

UChicago had approx 75 possessions in the win-- Game played at a quicker pace than predicted.

Total is 162-- Over won that one.

4.)  Carnegie Mellon 71, Wash U 58-- Home underdog won outright.

Carnegie Mellon had approx 73 possessions in the win-- Game pace played as predicted.

Total is 129-- Under won that one
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2023, 05:25:39 AM
Here is an update on the UAA standings through Bob Quillman's home loss system as of January 23, 2023.

First, here were the standings on the point system going into Games 4 and 5 of the home/away round robin.

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 16, 2023, 12:07:16 PM

Bob Quillman uses a handy +1 for a road win, -1 for a home loss system to evaluate the CCIW before all the games have been played.  Seems like that would be really helpful for the UAA right now, too:

Brandeis  +1
CMU  +1
NYU  +1
CWRU  0
WashU  0
Rochester  0
Emory  -1
Chicago  -2

Here are the standngs as reflected by the Quillman system as of Monday, January 23, 2023-- (+1 for a road win, -1 for a home loss, 0 for any other scenario)

Emory +1
Rochester +1
Carnegie Mellon +1
Wash U  0
Brandeis  0
CWRU  -1
NYU   -1
UChicago   -1
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2023, 05:44:17 AM
Here is a health update from me--

I started my 5 day course of Paxlovid Tuesday evening and ended it Sunday morning.

This weekend, I watched the entire Brandeis home weekend vs Rochester and Emory on livestream.

I am feeling much better than I was last Monday when I first got my positive antigen test for COVID.   Last Tuesday, I took a PCR test from the LabCorp Pixel home collection system that I had ordered from LabCorp on Demand just a few hours before I got a positive result on my antigen test.   I had FedEx pick up my sample from my apartment early Tuesday afternoon, and the PCR test confirmed my case of COVID for the Massachusetts records.  As a result, I cannot take another PCR test again until about April 17, 2023 at the earliest.

I completed my five days of isolation as of Saturday morning, and I can now go outside my apartment as long as I wear my N95 mask on at all times inside indoor public places.

The Paxlovid has worked in that it allowed my body to successfully reduce my viral load to the point that as of this morning, January 23, I got my first negative result on an antigen test since I developed COVID.  I will have to repeat the test again Wednesday morning, and then, assuming that is negative, I will have to monitor myself this week for any signs of a rebound.  If there is a COVID rebound, it would happen before next Monday., since I finished my Paxlovid treatment course yesterday.

Hopefully, I will be able to attend the Brandeis home games in person this weekend-- this Sunday will be the first Brandeis Alumni Basketball Day on campus since before the pandemic.

To summarize, it looks like I am going to recover from my first bout with COVID.  Thanks for your get well wishes.  I appreciated it.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2023, 07:44:42 AM
A question came up during the overtime of the Brandeis vs Emory game yesterday about the use of courtside video replay.

This is covered by the UAA Basketball Code of Conduct's Section 4-- Conduct of Sport.  Rule 4.5  Use of Courtside Video Replay.   The rule states that "the host institution shall provide the necessary equipment and access (game webcast with replay capability and a laptop computer capable of viewing the game webcast) at courtside to allow officials to use courtside video replay as permitted by the NCAA Basketball Rules.  The host institution shall notify the officials about the availablity of courtside video replay capability prior to the start of the game."

uaasports.info/information/Basketball.pdf  (http://uaasports.info/information/Basketball.pdf)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 23, 2023, 08:29:05 AM
I take it there was a video replay issue at the game? A play that needed to be reviewed but no video replay available?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 23, 2023, 10:09:14 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 23, 2023, 08:29:05 AM
I take it there was a video replay issue at the game? A play that needed to be reviewed but no video replay available?

The play at issue happened with 27 seconds left in the overtime and Emory up 73-71.  Emory freshman Benjamin Pearce had gotten a defensive rebound just 19 seconds before,at 46 seconds left in the overtime, and started a play set.  Brandeis has this still archived on the Basketball Live Stream at  brandeisjudges.com/information/streaming  (http://brandeisjudges.com/information/streaming)  If you watch this, start the replay feed at the time code of 2 hours 10 min.    This archived stream has yesterday's Emory at Brandeis doubleheader, and it should be up until this upcoming Friday, Jan. 27, 2023. 

The call at issue in this case is a turnover called on Emory freshman Benjamin Pearce, with Brandeis taking possession.  Emory head coach Jason Zimmerman thought that the ball was last touched by Brandeis freshman Ethan Edwards, and not by Benjamin Pearce.   Zimmerman called for a video review of the play, and the Brandeis crowd, seeing that Coach Zimmerman was walking over to mid-court, wanted the refs to "T" Zimmerman up.  Needless to say, the Brandeis crowd was riled up at the prospect of the call going to video review.

The question on the replay was:  Did a great defensive maneuver by Ethan Edwards cause Benjamin Pearce to throw the ball out of bounds, with Brandeis gaining possession, or did Ethan Edwards touch the ball last and Emory maintains possession as a result?"

Brandeis has a new student crew in Josh Hertz-- the WBRS FM General Manager, and Asher Kaplan, a Brandeis baseball pitcher, now doing play by play and color commentary respectively, and this was their first full weekend doing Brandeis basketball games together.   Asher Kaplan had previously done play by play by himself for the NYU at Brandeis doubleheader back on January 7. 

The student commentators protested that "this is Division III basketball.  We don't have [multiple angle camera] technology here for the video replay. Does Coach Zimmerman even understand this?"  The referees looked at the game webcast at courtside, which is the only angle that the play in question had been recorded.  The refs had the same angle that I have on the on-demand feed, which is that the play is being recorded from the opposite side of the court (the bleacher side) from the benches, where the play took place.

Upon further review, the turnover call on Benjamin Pearce stood, and Brandeis got possession with 27 seconds left in OT.

Ultimately, it did not matter, as Brandeis went 0-8 from the field, 0-4 from 3 pt range, 0-0 from the charity stripe in the OT period, and Emory scored the only 2 points in the overtime period to win the game, 73-71, in overtime.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 23, 2023, 12:32:50 PM

Some conferences are mandating video replay (I think the ASC is working towards that, if not mandating it), but for the most part, it's up to the host institution to decide if they've got the capability of providing it and letting the refs know.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 24, 2023, 08:32:15 AM
Just for fun....

Here are the comparisons of the UAA teams as to where they were ranked at the Week 5 D3Hoops.com Top 25 poll, which is the poll that was released the Monday before UAA play started this season, and where they are ranked as of right now, in the Week 8 D3Hoops.com Top 25 poll.

1.)  Rochester

Week 5-- #5 in the poll-- 518 points
Week 8-- #11 in the poll-- 335 points.

Rochester lost 183 points-- approx 35.3% of total value in points from Week 5

2.)  Emory

Week #5-- #22 in the poll-- 107 points
Week #8-- #16 in the poll-- 259 points

Emory gained 152 points.  Part of the reason why Emory gained points is that the Eagles have still not lost on the road all season.

3.)  Case Western Reserve University

Week #5-- #9 in the poll-- 364 points
Week #8-- Out of Top 25 entirely-- RV-- 54 points

CWRU lost 310 points, or 85.2% of total value.

4.)  New York University

Week #5-- #18 in the poll-- 175 points
Week #8-- Not ranked

NYU lost all 175 points, or 100% of total value.  All NYU still has left from Week 5 is the Cregger Invitational Winners' Trophy.

5.)  Washington University

Week #5-- RV-- 7 points
Week #8-- RV-- 3 points

Wash U lost 4 points, or 57,2% of total value.

(Note:  From Week 5 to Week 7, Wash U gained 94 points and was #22 in Week 7 with 101 pts.  After going 0-2 in their first 2 UAA road games of the season, Wash U lost 98 points and dropped out of the top 25 after appearing there for 1 week.  The 4 point loss is a net loss.)

6.)  Carnegie Mellon University

Week #5-- Not ranked
Week #8-- RV-- 5 points

CMU gained 5 points.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 24, 2023, 10:19:07 PM
UAA Men's Basketball Athlete of the Week-- January 24, 2023--

Toby Harris, Brandeis
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 27, 2023, 05:05:30 AM
Friday, January 27, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  Wash U at Rochester

Rochester 73, Wash U 67

Rochester has a 71% chance to win this game, and is a -6.0 point home favorite

Predicted game tempo is 67 possessions per team

O/U total is 140.0

2.)  UChicago at Emory

Emory 78, UChicago 64

Emory has a 91% chance to win this game, and is a -14.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 73 possessions per team.

O/U total is 142.0

3.)  CWRU at Brandeis

Brandeis 77, CWRU 73

Brandeis has a 62% chance to win this game, and is a -3.5 point home favorite

Predicted game tempo is 71 possessions per team

O/U total is 149.5

4.)  Carnegie Mellon at NYU

NYU 82, Carnegie Mellon 72

NYU has an 81% chance to win this game, and is a -9.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 72 possessions per team

O/U total is 143.5
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 27, 2023, 05:19:26 AM
As we start tonight's action, I am sending my get well wishes today to Brandeis Sports Information Director Adam Levin, who tested positive for COVID on Monday after almost 3 years of successfully avoiding catching the disease.

On Wednesday, I had my second successful negative antigen test in a 48 hour period since testing positive for COVID back on Monday, January 16.  I have successfully recovered from my initial bout with COVID and I am planning to attend both Brandeis doubleheaders at Auerbach Arena in Waltham, MA in person this weekend.

Sunday's Brandeis vs Carnegie Mellon will be the first Alumni/Family Basketball Day on the Brandeis campus since the 2019-20 season.  I am looking forward to gathering together with my fellow alumni and see the exciting things that the Brandeis Alumni Association has planned for this day. 

Also, due to the Omicron wave last year, this will be the first Brandeis men's basketball home weekend vs CWRU and Carnegie Mellon since the 2019-20 season.   Last year's CWRU at Brandeis game was cancelled and not made up, and the CMU at Brandeis game was moved to Wiegand Gym at Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh and was played there as a mid-week make up game during the Brandeis February break.

The Brandeis women did host CWRU and Carnegie Mellon last year as a women's only basketball home weekend, played before a closed gym with a limited number of spectators from the immediate on-campus Brandeis community allowed to attend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 27, 2023, 09:14:30 AM
^^^ Glad you have recovered from COVID.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 27, 2023, 01:53:22 PM
Last weekend of the first half of the season. 

Emory leads at 4-1 with four other teams at 3-2 including Rochester, Carngie Mellon, Case Western Reserve and Brandeis.

I predict that the margin of error is so slim that we will lose a team or two from the championship chase by Sunday late afternoon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 27, 2023, 11:29:14 PM
Reviewing the action from tonight

Quote from: deiscanton on January 27, 2023, 05:05:30 AM
Friday, January 27, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  Wash U at Rochester

Rochester 73, Wash U 67

Rochester has a 71% chance to win this game, and is a -6.0 point home favorite

Predicted game tempo is 67 possessions per team

O/U total is 140.0

2.)  UChicago at Emory

Emory 78, UChicago 64

Emory has a 91% chance to win this game, and is a -14.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 73 possessions per team.

O/U total is 142.0

3.)  CWRU at Brandeis

Brandeis 77, CWRU 73

Brandeis has a 62% chance to win this game, and is a -3.5 point home favorite

Predicted game tempo is 71 possessions per team

O/U total is 149.5

4.)  Carnegie Mellon at NYU

NYU 82, Carnegie Mellon 72

NYU has an 81% chance to win this game, and is a -9.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 72 possessions per team

O/U total is 143.5

Here are the actual final scores for tonight-- Home team listed first

1.) Rochester 47, Wash U 63-- Road underdog wins outright.

Wash U had 64 possessions in the win--Game tempo a little slower than predicted.

Game total was 110-- Under wins that one

2.)  Emory 79, UChicago 75 (OT)-- Road underdog covers the spread

Emory had 77 possessions in the win, with 69 of those possessions being in regulation-- Game tempo a little slower than predicted.

Game total is 154-- Over wins that one.

3.)  Brandeis 71, CWRU 91-- Road underdog wins outright.

CWRU had 62 possessions in the win, but shut ligths out with a 61/68/67 shooting split for the game, making 15 3's in the process.

Game total is 162-- Over wins that one.

4.)  NYU 79, Carnegie Mellon 55--- Home favorite covers the spread.

NYU had 71 possessions in the win-- Game tempo was as predicted.

Game total is 134-- Under wins that one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 29, 2023, 03:09:30 AM
Sunday, January 29, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  UChicago at Rochester

Rochester 73, UChicago 61

Rochester has an 86% chance to win this game, and is a -12.0 point home favorite

Predicted game tempo is 66 possessions per team

O/U total is 134.5

2.)  Wash U at Emory

Emory 73, Wash U 70

Emory has a 62% chance to win this game, and is a -3.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 73 possessions per team.

O/U total is 143.5

3.)  Carnegie Mellon at Brandeis

Brandeis 72, Carnegie Mellon 68

Brandeis has a 63% chance to win this game, and is a -3.5 point home favorite

Predicted game tempo is 73 possessions per team

O/U total is 139.5

4.)  CWRU at NYU

NYU 86, CWRU 78

NYU has a 77% chance to win this game, and is an -8.0 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 72 possessions per team

O/U total is 163.5
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 29, 2023, 08:02:43 AM
Well, it was really painful to see Brandeis's chances for a Pool C bid realistically come to an end on Friday with that incredible shooting night by CWRU (61/68/67 shooting split with 15 3 pointers made by the Spartans for a "91" spot on the scoreboard.)  The Brandeis men's team has never won the UAA Men's Basketball AQ in program history, either, so on Friday, that meant that postseason chances will most likely have to wait until next season.

Brandeis would have to go 7-1 the rest of the way to get a final winning percentage above .700.   The Judges would have to go 6-2 for a winning pct of .680.  Given the quality of the competition, I don't think that either scenario is likely, especially with 5 of the remaining 7 UAA games on the road after today.

Moreover, since the Brandeis Swimming and Diving Team booked the Napoli Trophy Room for the entire basketball doubleheader on Friday night so that they could have their sign making party for yesterday's Senior Day swimming event, there wasn't any private halftime space to just eat a protein bar and sip down a can of Coke Zero during the halftimes.

Oh well, I did enjoy my top sirloin steak lunch at the 99 Restaurant in Waltham earlier in the day.  Plus, the Brandeis MAD band (MAD stands for "Music and Dance" a/k/a the pep band) did not disappoint with their Friday performance.

I am starting to think that I would be better off on Fridays watching livestream and just going to the Sunday home games.  Today is Brandeis Alumni Family Basketball Day-- the first one since the 2019-2020 season.  I usually have a fun time on those days, and this one will be enjoyable too. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 29, 2023, 02:10:44 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 27, 2023, 01:53:22 PM
Last weekend of the first half of the season. 

Emory leads at 4-1 with four other teams at 3-2 including Rochester, Carngie Mellon, Case Western Reserve and Brandeis.

I predict that the margin of error is so slim that we will lose a team or two from the championship chase by Sunday late afternoon.

I would say that we lost Brandeis with the loss today against Carnegie Mellon.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 29, 2023, 05:24:22 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 29, 2023, 02:10:44 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 27, 2023, 01:53:22 PM
Last weekend of the first half of the season. 

Emory leads at 4-1 with four other teams at 3-2 including Rochester, Carngie Mellon, Case Western Reserve and Brandeis.

I predict that the margin of error is so slim that we will lose a team or two from the championship chase by Sunday late afternoon.

I would say that we lost Brandeis with the loss today against Carnegie Mellon.

I would say that Brandeis's chances for a Pool C (or any other bid) were realistically lost on Friday, but the Sunday loss to Carnegie Mellon just confirmed it.

The catering spread wasn't bad though..... There were chicken tenders in the spread-- Kosher food as well. (What would a Brandeis alumni event be without a kosher entree or two?)  Also, the Brandeis men's basketball team did sign autographs for the kids after the game.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 29, 2023, 05:48:31 PM
Did Ethan Edwards get injured on Friday?  He played 8 minutes on Friday and did not play today.  Those results may look VERY different otherwise.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 29, 2023, 05:55:04 PM
Reviewing the results from today-- first, here is what the scoreline predictions were coming into today's games---

Quote from: deiscanton on January 29, 2023, 03:09:30 AM
Sunday, January 29, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  UChicago at Rochester

Rochester 73, UChicago 61

Rochester has an 86% chance to win this game, and is a -12.0 point home favorite

Predicted game tempo is 66 possessions per team

O/U total is 134.5

2.)  Wash U at Emory

Emory 73, Wash U 70

Emory has a 62% chance to win this game, and is a -3.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 73 possessions per team.

O/U total is 143.5

3.)  Carnegie Mellon at Brandeis

Brandeis 72, Carnegie Mellon 68

Brandeis has a 63% chance to win this game, and is a -3.5 point home favorite

Predicted game tempo is 73 possessions per team

O/U total is 139.5

4.)  CWRU at NYU

NYU 86, CWRU 78

NYU has a 77% chance to win this game, and is an -8.0 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 72 possessions per team

O/U total is 163.5

Here are the final scores from today-- Home team listed first

1.)  Rochester 72, UChicago 71 (OT).  Game was tied 59-59 at end of regulation.  Road underdog covered the spread.

Rochester had 76 possessions in the win-- 68 of those were in regulation.  Game tempo was as predicted.

Game total was 143-- Over wins that one.

2.)  Emory 69, Wash U 72-- Road underdog won outright.

Wash U had 74 possessions in the win-- Game tempo was as predicted.

Game total was 141-- Under wins that one.

3.)  Brandeis 64, Carnegie Mellon 65-- Road underdog won outright.

Carnegie Mellon had 66 possessions in the win--Game played slower than predicted.

Game total was 129-- Under wins that one.

4.)  NYU 82, CWRU 88-- Road underdog won outright.

CWRU had 80 possessions in the win-- Game tempo played quicker than predicted.

Game total was 170-- Over wins that one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 29, 2023, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 29, 2023, 05:48:31 PM
Did Ethan Edwards get injured on Friday?  He played 8 minutes on Friday and did not play today.  Those results may look VERY different otherwise.

He may have gotten injured on Friday, but I did not notice it live or on the short time that I had to view the game replay on Saturday morning.  The absence of Ethan Edwards from the game is probably a game changer.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue_jays on January 29, 2023, 07:15:40 PM
UAA looking overrated right now, these top teams don't actually look that impressive. At the turn, UChicago should have beaten Emory and Brandeis and probably Rochester as well. The only team that has looked like a legit top team against the Maroons was WashU. The Maroons are playing pretty well all told, which is why they keep finding themselves going down to the last minute in low-scoring affairs against almost everyone in the league. But I have yet to see a team that I'd be scared of in the postseason. The league has a lot of parity, but no Final 4 contenders.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 29, 2023, 07:42:45 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on January 29, 2023, 07:15:40 PM
UAA looking overrated right now, these top teams don't actually look that impressive. At the turn, UChicago should have beaten Emory and Brandeis and probably Rochester as well. The only team that has looked like a legit top team against the Maroons was WashU. The Maroons are playing pretty well all told, which is why they keep finding themselves going down to the last minute in low-scoring affairs against almost everyone in the league. But I have yet to see a team that I'd be scared of in the postseason. The league has a lot of parity, but no Final 4 contenders.

Okay, do you see any UAA teams in the Sweet 16, or do they all lose on the first weekend of the tournament, in your view?  To be honest, I am not sure that Randolph-Macon will dominate the DIII tournament again like they did last year, either.  My view of the UAA is just enjoy the ride, no matter what happens.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 29, 2023, 08:36:30 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on January 29, 2023, 07:15:40 PM
UAA looking overrated right now, these top teams don't actually look that impressive. At the turn, UChicago should have beaten Emory and Brandeis and probably Rochester as well. The only team that has looked like a legit top team against the Maroons was WashU. The Maroons are playing pretty well all told, which is why they keep finding themselves going down to the last minute in low-scoring affairs against almost everyone in the league. But I have yet to see a team that I'd be scared of in the postseason. The league has a lot of parity, but no Final 4 contenders.

I am not sure what it means to be overrated in 2022-2023.

The computers all have the UAA as the best league in Division III thanks to the depth (no league comes close top to bottom) but the top is arguably not as high as usual.

I know Rochester was seen as a potential Final Four team but they have faltered even at full strength.

I guess it all comes down to what you are looking for when you evaluate a league.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on January 29, 2023, 08:45:48 PM
Yeah the league is weirdly balanced this year.  CWRU was up by as much as 25 in their win over WashU ... and then go on to get beat by UChicago. 

I'd say several of these teams have a chance to get hot in the tournament, as whoever gets into the tournament will certainly come in battled tested and having experienced several league losses / overcoming adversity...i.e. underdogs.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 29, 2023, 08:50:48 PM
From the UAA stats, here are the net efficiency ratings of the UAA teams in UAA games only through 7 UAA games.

Net efficiency vs UAA competition only is per 100 possessions.

1.)  Wash U-- +5.2
2.)  Emory-- +2.4
3.)  Rochester-- +1.8
4.)  CWRU-- +1.2
5.)  Carnegie Mellon-- +0.3
6.)  Brandeis-- -1.1
7.)  UChicago-- -5.2
8.)  NYU-- -5.3

From the most recent run of the Snyder efficiency ratings (1/29/23--5:04 PM Eastern), here are the overall net efficiency ratings of the UAA teams, courtesy of;

http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html  (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

1.)  NYU-- +24.1  (#12 in DIII)
2.)  Wash U-- +21.6 (#21 in DIII)
3.)  Emory -- +20.6  (#22 in DIII)
4.)  Rochester-- +20.0 (#25 in DIII)
5.)  CWRU-- +19.2 (#29 in DIII)
6.)  Carnegie Mellon-- +15.1 (#54 in DIII)
7.)  Brandeis-- +14.4 (#61 in DiII)
8.)  UChicago-- +8.5 (#164 in DIII)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue_jays on January 29, 2023, 10:33:05 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 29, 2023, 08:36:30 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on January 29, 2023, 07:15:40 PM
UAA looking overrated right now, these top teams don't actually look that impressive. At the turn, UChicago should have beaten Emory and Brandeis and probably Rochester as well. The only team that has looked like a legit top team against the Maroons was WashU. The Maroons are playing pretty well all told, which is why they keep finding themselves going down to the last minute in low-scoring affairs against almost everyone in the league. But I have yet to see a team that I'd be scared of in the postseason. The league has a lot of parity, but no Final 4 contenders.

I am not sure what it means to be overrated in 2022-2023.

The computers all have the UAA as the best league in Division III thanks to the depth (no league comes close top to bottom) but the top is arguably not as high as usual.

I know Rochester was seen as a potential Final Four team but they have faltered even at full strength.

I guess it all comes down to what you are looking for when you evaluate a league.

The UAA parity is why it's rated high, as there are no bad teams and a majority of good-to-very-good teams. But there are no "great" teams in this bunch, and the top contenders I've seen look shaky. The star power is not there either, no dominating players that we're used to seeing (I'd say Spencer Freedman is the best I've seen so far). So I say overrated because just being a balanced league doesn't mean postseason success. The UAA has underperformed in the tournament as of late compared to expectations. Sure, at least 1 team will get to Sweet 16 probably due to the bracket playing to their favor. But I don't see deep runs in the cards.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 29, 2023, 10:34:19 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 29, 2023, 07:42:45 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on January 29, 2023, 07:15:40 PM
UAA looking overrated right now, these top teams don't actually look that impressive. At the turn, UChicago should have beaten Emory and Brandeis and probably Rochester as well. The only team that has looked like a legit top team against the Maroons was WashU. The Maroons are playing pretty well all told, which is why they keep finding themselves going down to the last minute in low-scoring affairs against almost everyone in the league. But I have yet to see a team that I'd be scared of in the postseason. The league has a lot of parity, but no Final 4 contenders.

Okay, do you see any UAA teams in the Sweet 16, or do they all lose on the first weekend of the tournament, in your view?  To be honest, I am not sure that Randolph-Macon will dominate the DIII tournament again like they did last year, either.  My view of the UAA is just enjoy the ride, no matter what happens.

Randolph-Macon graduated four players from last year's team. One (D3hoops.com POY Buzz Anthony) was a five year starter ( including the short COVID season) and the other three started at various points in their careers, including games last season. Those three combined to average about 15 minutes each in '21-22. Three regular starters from last season (two seniors and a junior) start again this season, along with a junior and a freshman. The bulk of the minutes played by non-starters goes to three freshmen, with most other minutes consumed by a sophomore and junior. So you're correct to doubt that R-MC can do in the '23 tournament what they did in '22. I don't think anyone expected that kind of dominance last season, either. I certainly didn't and I follow R-MC closely. It appears that the tournament will be much more wide open this season. There are several UAA teams that could do well. But there might be a surprise this time around, like there was in the recent season when Nebraska Wesleyan won it all.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 29, 2023, 10:50:39 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on January 29, 2023, 07:15:40 PM
The UAA parity is why it's rated high, as there are no bad teams and a majority of good-to-very-good teams. But there are no "great" teams in this bunch, and the top contenders I've seen look shaky.

This is exactly what I was saying when I said that they are very strong top to bottom, but that the top teams are not as high as usual.

Parity is great, but it does not mean much unless the results are there.  The UAA was something like 50-12 heading in to the conference play.  I do not remember the number, but it was crazy high.

Quote from: blue_jays on January 29, 2023, 07:15:40 PM
The star power is not there either, no dominating players that we're used to seeing (I'd say Spencer Freedman is the best I've seen so far).

Are you watching many games?  Many teams are younger than usual in terms of class or experience, but there are some very good players in the league.

Quote from: blue_jays on January 29, 2023, 07:15:40 PM
The UAA has underperformed in the tournament as of late compared to expectations. Sure, at least 1 team will get to Sweet 16 probably due to the bracket playing to their favor. But I don't see deep runs in the cards.

I know you are answering a question, but obviously, past seasons are not going to be useful in predicting the next postseason results, as you know.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 30, 2023, 07:02:56 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 29, 2023, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 29, 2023, 05:48:31 PM
Did Ethan Edwards get injured on Friday?  He played 8 minutes on Friday and did not play today.  Those results may look VERY different otherwise.

He may have gotten injured on Friday, but I did not notice it live or on the short time that I had to view the game replay on Saturday morning.  The absence of Ethan Edwards from the game is probably a game changer.

I just watched on-demand the first few minutes of the Brandeis vs Carnegie Mellon game from yesterday on the Brandeis Athletics Main Camera live streaming site.  Brandeis commentator Asher Kaplan did confirm at 17:41 left in the first half of that game that the Judges did lose Ethan Edwards on Friday to an undisclosed injury.  I am not sure how serious the injury is, or when/if Ethan Edwards will be back this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 30, 2023, 07:34:23 AM
Rochester has faltered even at full strength? Ryan Algier didn't play in the Emory loss, played 15 minutes in the Brandeis loss and just began starting over the weekend, probably still not at 100%.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 30, 2023, 07:38:34 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 30, 2023, 07:34:23 AM
Rochester has faltered even at full strength? Ryan Algier didn't play in the Emory loss, played 15 minutes in the Brandeis loss and just began starting over the weekend, probably still not at 100%.

Ryan Algier is definitely not at 100%, even though he has rehabbed enough to be back in the starting lineup.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 30, 2023, 07:49:21 AM
By full strength, I meant a full rotation of players. Algier is playing and has been back for five games. He played 25 and 30 minutes over the weekend.

I am not sure how many teams are playing with a full rotation of perfectly healthy players but Rochester is definitely not the only team to struggle with injuries this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 30, 2023, 07:51:26 AM
Thanks @deiscanton! Edwards is going to be an incredible pick-up for the Judges. Hate to hear that.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on January 30, 2023, 07:52:36 AM

Here is an update on the UAA standings through Bob Quillman's road win/home loss system as of January 30, 2023.

First, here were the standings on the point system going into Games 6 and 7 of the home/away round robin

Quote

Here are the standngs as reflected by the Quillman system as of Monday, January 23, 2023-- (+1 for a road win, -1 for a home loss, 0 for any other scenario)

Emory +1
Rochester +1
Carnegie Mellon +1
Wash U  0
Brandeis  0
CWRU  -1
NYU   -1
UChicago   -1

Here are the +/- standings halfway through the UAA:

Wash U-- +2  (5-2 in UAA)
Emory-- 0  (5-2 in UAA)
Carnegie Mellon-- +2  (4-3 in UAA)
CWRU-- +1  (4-3 in UAA)
Rochester-- 0  (4-3 in UAA)
Brandeis-- -2  (3-4 in UAA)
NYU-- -2  (2-5 in UAA)
UChicago-- -1  (1-6 in UAA)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on January 30, 2023, 03:16:06 PM
Massey has the UAA as follows:

Washington University, No. 14
Emory, No. 17
Rochester, No. 20
Case Western Reserve, No. 24
NYU, No. 49
Carnegie Mellon, No. 53
Brandeis, No. 62
Chicago, No. 98

If you look at the WIAC from last season, they finished with three in the Top 10 which is incredible, but falls a bit faster than the UAA from there. 

Oddly, the 4-win Stevens Point at No. 139 thanks to a crazy schedule.  I have to think that most single-digit teams finish far lower.

Injuries were mentioned earlier.  Chicago is one that had two players our for a number of games in the Fall, otherwise they might be higher.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 01, 2023, 09:36:26 AM
UAA Men's Basketball Athlete of the Week-- January 31, 2023--

Mason Johnson, Emory
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 03, 2023, 01:51:13 AM
Friday, February 3, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  Rochester at Wash U

Wash U 70, Rochester 66

Wash U has a 65% chance to win this game, and is a -4.5 point home favorite

Predicted game tempo is 67 possessions per team

O/U total is 136.5

2.)  Emory at UChicago

UChicago 68, Emory 73

UChicago has a 30% chance to win this game, and is a +5.5 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 73 possessions per team.

O/U total is 141.0

3.)  Brandeis at Case Western Reserve

CWRU 79, Brandeis 72

CWRU has a 73% chance to win this game, and is a -6.5 point home favorite

Predicted game tempo is 70 possessions per team

O/U total is 151.5

4.)  NYU at Carnegie Mellon

Carnegie Mellon 74, NYU 78

Carnegie Mellon has a 37% chance to win this game, and is a +3.5 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 75 possessions per team

O/U total is 152.0
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 03, 2023, 02:28:23 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 30, 2023, 07:02:56 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 29, 2023, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 29, 2023, 05:48:31 PM
Did Ethan Edwards get injured on Friday?  He played 8 minutes on Friday and did not play today.  Those results may look VERY different otherwise.

He may have gotten injured on Friday, but I did not notice it live or on the short time that I had to view the game replay on Saturday morning.  The absence of Ethan Edwards from the game is probably a game changer.

I just watched on-demand the first few minutes of the Brandeis vs Carnegie Mellon game from yesterday on the Brandeis Athletics Main Camera live streaming site.  Brandeis commentator Asher Kaplan did confirm at 17:41 left in the first half of that game that the Judges did lose Ethan Edwards on Friday to an undisclosed injury.  I am not sure how serious the injury is, or when/if Ethan Edwards will be back this season.

Ethan Edwards just sent me a reply in response to a PM that I sent earlier this week.  Unfortunately, due to the injury, he is out for the remainder of the regular season.  The injury is foot-related, according to what he told me today.

If Brandeis somehow by some miracle goes 6-1 or 7-0 the rest of the way and qualifies for an NCAA tournament run, then Ethan Edwards may be healthy enough to participate in the postseason, from what he told me.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 03, 2023, 07:31:16 PM
Throwback weekend at CWRU--

CWRU men are wearing the Western Reserve Red Cats uniforms vs Brandeis tonight.   The CWRU men will be wearing the Case Institute of Technology Rough Riders uniforms vs NYU on Sunday.

CWRU women are wearing the Mather College uniforms this weekend for both games.   

The guest play by play announcer today is CWRU professor Michael Goldberg, with CWRU president Eric Kaler serving as color commentator for the Friday doubleheader.   Ron Jantz is the third man in the booth tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 03, 2023, 08:14:08 PM
Halftime scores in the 7:30 PM Eastern tip-off games-- Home team listed first

1.)  CWRU 45, Brandeis 30

2.)  Carnegie Mellon 34, NYU 30
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on February 03, 2023, 08:58:53 PM
CWRU 81 Brandeis 48

with 9 min to go
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 03, 2023, 09:04:23 PM
Finals of 7:30 PM Eastern tip games--

Carnegie Mellon 80, NYU 62

CWRU 101, Brandeis 73
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 03, 2023, 09:12:51 PM
Halftime of Midwest games--

Wash U 38, Rochester 29

UChicago 44, Emory 39
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 03, 2023, 10:13:18 PM
Finals of Midwest games-- Home team listed first

Wash U 79, Rochester 61

UChicago 70, Emory 77
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 03, 2023, 10:43:36 PM
Reviewing the results from tonight.  First, we review what the score predictions of all 4 UAA games were going into this evening.  Then, the actual results.

Quote from: deiscanton on February 03, 2023, 01:51:13 AM
Friday, February 3, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  Rochester at Wash U

Wash U 70, Rochester 66

Wash U has a 65% chance to win this game, and is a -4.5 point home favorite

Predicted game tempo is 67 possessions per team

O/U total is 136.5

2.)  Emory at UChicago

UChicago 68, Emory 73

UChicago has a 30% chance to win this game, and is a +5.5 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 73 possessions per team.

O/U total is 141.0

3.)  Brandeis at Case Western Reserve

CWRU 79, Brandeis 72

CWRU has a 73% chance to win this game, and is a -6.5 point home favorite

Predicted game tempo is 70 possessions per team

O/U total is 151.5

4.)  NYU at Carnegie Mellon

Carnegie Mellon 74, NYU 78

Carnegie Mellon has a 37% chance to win this game, and is a +3.5 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 75 possessions per team

O/U total is 152.0

Here are the actual results from this evening:

1.)  Rochester at Wash U

Wash U 79, Rochester 61-- Wash U easily covers the -4.5 point home favorite spread.

Wash U had approx 71 possessions in the win-- Game tempo a little quicker than predicted.

Game total is 140-- Over wins that one.

2.)  Emory at UChicago

UChicago 70, Emory 77--  UChicago does not cover the home underdog spread-- Emory covers as road favorite.

Emory had approx 71 possessions in the win-- Game tempo about as predicted.

Game total is 147-- Over wins that one.

3.)  Brandeis at CWRU

CWRU 101, Brandeis 73-- CWRU easily covers the home favorite spread.

CWRU had approx 71 possessions in the win-- Game tempo was as predicted.

Game total is 174-- Over wins that one.

4.)  NYU at Carnegie Mellon

Carnegie Mellon 80, NYU 62-- Home underdog wins outright.

Carnegie Mellon had approx 74 possessions in the win-- Game tempo was as predicted.

Game total is 142-- Under wins that one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2023, 03:11:36 AM
Sunday, February 5, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  Rochester at UChicago

UChicago 65, Rochester 69

UChicago has a 36% chance to win this game, and is a +4.0 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 67 possessions per team

O/U total is 135.0

2.)  Emory at Wash U

Wash U 74, Emory 69

Wash U has a 66% chance to win this game, and is a -4.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 73 possessions per team.

O/U total is 143.5

3.)  NYU at Case Western Reserve

CWRU 83, NYU 82

CWRU has a 55% chance to win this game, and is a -1.5 point home favorite

Predicted game tempo is 73 possessions per team

O/U total is 165.5

4.)  Brandeis at Carnegie Mellon

Carnegie Mellon 73, Brandeis 67

Carnegie Mellon has a 70% chance to win this game, and is a -6.0 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 72 possessions per team

O/U total is 140.0
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2023, 12:36:34 PM
Halftime of Noon Eastern tips--

Home team listed first--

Case Western Reserve 50, NYU 48

Carnegie Mellon 38, Brandeis 25
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2023, 01:29:37 PM
Halftime of Midwest games-- Home team listed first

UChicago 45, Rochester 30

Wash U 31, Emory 28

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2023, 01:34:17 PM
Game update from Cleveland--

Case Western Reserve 90, NYU 90 43 seconds left in regulation.

CWRU 94, NYU 92  8 seconds left in regulation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2023, 01:41:23 PM
Finals of noon Eastern tip games--  Home team listed first--

Case Western Reserve 96, NYU 92

Carnegie Mellon 78, Brandeis 73  (Final at 1:52 PM Eastern/12:52 PM Central)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2023, 01:46:12 PM
Game update from Pittsburgh--

Carnegie Mellon 73, Brandeis 70   30.7 seconds left in regulation.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: stlawus on February 05, 2023, 02:07:04 PM
Very real chance that Rochester misses out on pool C if they remain on their current trajectory.  2 extremely difficult games coming up @Case and CMU.  Home at NYU is no gimme and they still have to play Emory again. They got in with 8 losses last year and likely get in again with 8 losses this year, but any more than that and they should be out.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2023, 02:32:33 PM
Finals from Midwest games-- Home team listed first

UChicago 88, Rochester 72

Wash U 60, Emory 59

Wash U takes sole possession of first place, with Emory, CWRU, and Carnegie Mellon in a 3 way tie for second 1 game back of Wash U in the standings.

Emory suffers their first road loss of the season.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 05, 2023, 06:08:42 PM
Reviewing the results from today.   First, we review what the actual scoreline predictions were of all 4 UAA contests going into today.  Then, we will review the actual results.


Quote from: deiscanton on February 05, 2023, 03:11:36 AM
Sunday, February 5, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  Rochester at UChicago

UChicago 65, Rochester 69

UChicago has a 36% chance to win this game, and is a +4.0 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 67 possessions per team

O/U total is 135.0

2.)  Emory at Wash U

Wash U 74, Emory 69

Wash U has a 66% chance to win this game, and is a -4.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 73 possessions per team.

O/U total is 143.5

3.)  NYU at Case Western Reserve

CWRU 83, NYU 82

CWRU has a 55% chance to win this game, and is a -1.5 point home favorite

Predicted game tempo is 73 possessions per team

O/U total is 165.5

4.)  Brandeis at Carnegie Mellon

Carnegie Mellon 73, Brandeis 67

Carnegie Mellon has a 70% chance to win this game, and is a -6.0 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 72 possessions per team

O/U total is 140.0

Here are the actual results from today-- Home team listed first.

1.)  UChicago 88, Rochester 72-- Home underdog won outright.

UChicago had approx 70 possessions in the win-- Game tempo is a little quicker than predicted.

Game total was 160-- Over wins that one.

2.)  Wash U 60, Emory 59-- Wash U does not cover the -4.5 point home favorite spread.

Wash U had approx 65 possessions in the win-- Game tempo is slower than predicted.

Game total was 119-- Under wins that one.

3.)  CWRU 96, NYU 92-- CWRU covers the -1.5 point home favorite spread.

CWRU had approx 67 possessions in the win-- Game tempo is slower than predicted.

Game total was 188-- Over wins that one.

4.)  Carnegie Mellon 78, Brandeis 73-- Carnegie Mellon does not cover the -6.0 point home favorite spread.

Carnegie Mellon had approx 70 possessions in the win-- however 20 of them were in the form of 44 FTAs.

Game total was 151-- Over wins that one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue_jays on February 06, 2023, 01:01:18 AM
UChicago played its best game of the season today, while Rochester is reeling and looked nothing like a nationally-ranked team. The Maroons had been playing close with everyone in the conference and should have won both games last weekend, frankly. Everything came together today and the hosts were in control throughout. Seems like WashU should be favored to win the league.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 06, 2023, 09:05:37 AM
Chicago is definitely overachieving relative to expectations, despite the 2-7 record.  They graduated three senior starters from last season and with McGrath going out...

If I was an athletic director looking for a head coach, Bryan Joel would definitely be on my radar.

Rochester is underachieving relative to expectations.  I had them as the favorite in my pre-season ranking but did not feel good about that choice.  The coaches had them as No. 1 as well so...
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Washington University is the clear favorite in my opinion, given the schedule, but obviously Emory, Carnegie Mellon, and Case Western Reserve are going to have something to say about that.  Every team in contention is sure to take at least one more loss. For Carnegie Mellon and Case Western Reserve, that is a given.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 06, 2023, 09:13:45 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 05, 2023, 06:08:42 PM
Reviewing the results from today.   First, we review what the actual scoreline predictions were of all 4 UAA contests going into today.  Then, we will review the actual results.

I appreciate the posts @deiscanton, but I am not sure what to with these to be honest.  Possessions and gambling lines and such. 

I rather hear your predictions for all-Association honors to be honest.  I think we have a few locks and a few strong contenders and maybe a few bubble-ins for the first and second teams.

Player of the year is going to go to a graduating senior or graduate student, I think.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 06, 2023, 12:01:51 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 06, 2023, 09:13:45 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 05, 2023, 06:08:42 PM
Reviewing the results from today.   First, we review what the actual scoreline predictions were of all 4 UAA contests going into today.  Then, we will review the actual results.

I appreciate the posts @deiscanton, but I am not sure what to with these to be honest.  Possessions and gambling lines and such. 

I rather hear your predictions for all-Association honors to be honest.  I think we have a few locks and a few strong contenders and maybe a few bubble-ins for the first and second teams.

Player of the year is going to go to a graduating senior or graduate student, I think.

First of all, to start on looking through candidates for predictions for all-Association honors, the freshmen and sophomores in this league have made a bigger impact in the UAA this season than would normally be expected, IMO.  In most years, the first team all UAA would be an all senior and grad student team, but Benjamin Pearce of Emory has made such a huge scoring impact for the Eagles along with their other rookie star Jair Knight that it would be tough to imagine where Emory would be right now if these two players were not playing this season.

On the Wash U Bears, you have rookies Yogi Oliff and Will Grudzinski play significant minutes and make significant contributions in Wash U's run for a UAA title.  Sophomore Hayden Doyle is another good candidate for all UAA honors as well.

On the Brandeis Judges, Ethan Edwards was probably on his way to at least an Honorable Mention for second team all UAA before injury eliminated him for the season in UAA matchround 6 in Waltham vs CWRU.  Edwards will not be able to meet his 60% of UAA games playing requirement as a result.  Sophomore Toby Harris is a candidate for all UAA honors due to his scoring

At CWRU, you have locks or near-locks for first and second team all UAA honors in Mitch Prendergast, Cole Frilling, Danny Frauenheim, and Josh Levy, IMO. 

Not far behind at CMU, we have RJ Holmes, Josh Berry, Jack Stone, Nick Nakasian, Kevin Sax, and Sean Oberman competing for all UAA honors.  The CMU player who has had the most influence the past 2 seasons in defeating the Judges IMO is Jack Stone.  Top scorer in both games vs Brandeis last year, plus this year, Jack Stone hits the winning basket at Brandeis.

At Rochester, Ross Gang and Ryan Algier are definitely candidates for all UAA honors.

At NYU-- Spencer Freedman is playing well enough for a candidacy for all UAA honors.

Other candidates for all UAA honors at Emory include Mason Johnson, IMO.  He was influential in Emory's win over Brandeis this season.

For UChicago-- the Maroons do not get their 2 UAA wins this season without Bryce Hopkins in the lineup.

At Wash U, Charile Jacob has been the glue that binds the Bears together.  Not sure if Charlie Jacob wins POY if Wash U wins the UAA title and AQ, but he would be a good candidate to consider. 

Right now, for Rookie of the Year, I would still pick Benjamin Pearce of Emory for his huge impact on the overall performance of the Eagles this season.

I have not made a strong decision yet on Defensive POY and POY.

Any other players that I have missed so far? I haven't begun to put together who is first team, who is second team, and who misses out in the cut.   Usually, it is the top 7 players and ties that get first team, the next 7 players and ties that get second team, and Honorable Mention is any other player that could receive a vote for an all-Association team based on his performance this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 06, 2023, 12:18:39 PM
As far as my posting Matt Snyder's net efficiency handicapping lines, I am doing so this season because I seem to have a bit more trust in that system than in posting what the Massey ratings say about the matchups.   Plus, with the fact that Massachusetts just introduced legal sports betting last week, it just seemed to be fun to just post some info on lines this year, for entertainment purposes only and for the amusement of the readers.  Your mileage may vary on this. 

That being said, the net efficiency ratings going into UAA competition were very high on NYU, as well as NYU seeming to justify a feeling that maybe this year would end up a little bit differently for the Violets than it has for all the other previous years since the Coles Center closed for good in February, 2016.  No matter what happens, NYU will still have the Cregger Invitational winner's trophy for their trophy case as a memento of this season.  I don't know if NYU would have had a better UAA season this year had a pipe in the basement of the new Paulson Center not burst, but unfortunately, 2-7 through 9 UAA games is 2-7 through 9 UAA games.

An interesting observation that I have this year on NYU is that NYU has only won 1 UAA home game so far this season, and with 3 UAA home games at the Brooklyn Athletic Facility still left to play, I would be surprised if NYU won more than 1 additional home game.  This is despite the fact that Matt Snyder's net efficiency handicapping system had NYU as home favorites in practically all of their UAA games in Brooklyn so far this season.  Since the Coles Center closed back in February 2016, the NYU men have not won more than 2 home UAA games in a single season post Coles Center.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 06, 2023, 12:56:17 PM
Lots to think about regarding the all-Association team.

Just thinking about the 15-16 players that will land on the first and second team (the honorable mention honors are cool, but).

There are three players coming in from the bottom three teams that are a lock in my mind.  Hopkins, Harris and Freedman.

Rochester has a case for two players in Algier and Gang.

Every other team has a case for three players in my opinion.

My prediction is that the coaches will try to balance out the teams as much as possible given the parity and reward those who are graduating to the extent possible.  That seems to happen most season, but maybe more so this season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 06, 2023, 01:05:28 PM
So far this season, here are the players who have won at least one UAA Athlete of the Week honor in men's basketball:

1.)  Toby Harris, Brandeis-- 3 times overall, 1 time in UAA play. (Nov. 14 and Dec. 3, 2022, and January 23, 2023)

2.)  Kevin Sax, Carnegie Mellon-- November 21, 2022
3.)  Ryan Algier, Rochester-- November 21, 2022
4.)  Justin Allen, Carnegie Mellon-- November 28, 2022
5.)  Zay Freeney, NYU-- November 28, 2022
6.)  Cinque Stephens, NYU-- December 10, 2022
7.)  RJ Holmes, Carnegie Mellon-- January 3, 2023
8.)  Ethan Edwards, Brandeis-- January 10, 2023
9.)  Benjamin Pearce, Emory-- January 10, 2023
10.) Matt Wiele, Rochester-- January 17, 2023
11.) Mason Johnson, Emory-- January 30, 2023
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 06, 2023, 01:34:22 PM
Thanks for posting that @deiscanton.

I think the players of the week awards points to an interesting challenge that we may not have seen as much lately.

The coaches are going to have to consider what a player means to the team even when they do not have the usual metrics to back it up.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2023, 06:01:05 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 06, 2023, 01:05:28 PM
So far this season, here are the players who have won at least one UAA Athlete of the Week honor in men's basketball:

1.)  Toby Harris, Brandeis-- 3 times overall, 1 time in UAA play. (Nov. 14 and Dec. 3, 2022, and January 23, 2023)

2.)  Kevin Sax, Carnegie Mellon-- November 21, 2022
3.)  Ryan Algier, Rochester-- November 21, 2022
4.)  Justin Allen, Carnegie Mellon-- November 28, 2022
5.)  Zay Freeney, NYU-- November 28, 2022
6.)  Cinque Stephens, NYU-- December 10, 2022
7.)  RJ Holmes, Carnegie Mellon-- January 3, 2023
8.)  Ethan Edwards, Brandeis-- January 10, 2023
9.)  Benjamin Pearce, Emory-- January 10, 2023
10.) Matt Wiele, Rochester-- January 17, 2023
11.) Mason Johnson, Emory-- January 30, 2023

Newest addition to the list:

12.)  Cole Frilling, CWRU-- February 6, 2023
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 07, 2023, 12:40:18 PM
I don't follow this league was closely as you guys, but I'm surprised Frilling hasn't won it before.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2023, 01:08:15 PM
Quote from: Gre
ek Tragedy link=topic=639.msg2072425#msg2072425 date=1675791618

I don't follow this league was closely as you guys, but I'm surprised Frilling hasn't won it before.

Cole Frilling had been named to the D3Hoops.com Team of the Week earlier this season.

He is one of only 5 UAA men's basketball players to be named to the D3Hoops.com Team of the Week this season--

The following players, in order, have been named to the D3Hoops.com Team of the Week this season:

Week 1-- Cole Frilling, CWRU
Week 2-- Ryan Algier, Rochester
Week 6-- Spencer Freedman, NYU
Week 7-- Benjamin Pearce, Emory
Week 8-- Ethan Edwards, Brandeis
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2023, 02:01:21 PM
BTW, there is a new docuseries on this season's NYU men's basketball team that Sebastian Carrillo is producing and it just started on his Youtube channel.   

The name of Carrillo's new docuseries is Violet World, and the first episode "Fresh Start" is out on Youtube.

Each episode is slated to be about 10 minutes long. In the first episode, we get introduced to assistant coach Ethan Feldman, head coach Dave Klatsky, Spencer Freedman, and Michael Savarino-- just in case you don't already know who they are.

The first episode also covers the NYU vs Old Westbury game from Brooklyn Athletic Facility earlier this season.   Looking at the Brooklyn Athletic Facility, the court most reminds me of an above ground version of the Emerson College basketball court in Boston.   The Brooklyn Athletic Facility seats about 180 people, and the Brown/Plofker Gym (originally known as the Piano Row Gym) at Emerson seats about 200 people.  Both courts are excellent courts to watch on video stream, but not so much attending a game in-person (unless of course, you are watching the game from the skyboxes at both facilities.)

I am looking forward to future episodes of this docuseries.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2023, 04:05:46 PM
Alphabetical "rankings" are out for Week 1

6 UAA men's basketball teams are on the alphabetical rankings list:

Region III-- Rochester
Region IV-- NYU
Region VI-- Emory
Region VII-- CWRU, Carnegie Mellon
Region VIII-- Wash U

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 10, 2023, 01:13:38 AM
Friday, February 10, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  Rochester at CWRU

CWRU 84, Rochester 79

CWRU has a 68% chance to win this game, and is a -5.0 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 73 possessions per team

O/U total is 162.5

2.)  Emory at Carnegie Mellon

Carnegie Mellon 75, Emory 75-- Game is predicted to go to overtime.

Carnegie Mellon has a 49% chance to win this game in regulation, and is a +0.5 home underdog.  To win/lose against the spread in this game, the result must happen in regulation.-- The result is a push if the game heads into overtime.

Predicted game tempo is 80 possessions per team. Regulation only

O/U total is 150.0-- Regulation only

3.)  UChicago at NYU

NYU 77, UChicago 65

NYU has an 87% chance to win this game, and is a -12.0 point home favorite

Predicted game tempo is 73 possessions per team

O/U total is 142.0

4.)  Wash U at Brandeis

Brandeis 63, Wash U 66

Brandeis has a 40% chance to win this game, and is a +2.5 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 64 possessions per team

O/U total is 129.5
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 10, 2023, 10:35:33 PM
Reviewing the results from this evening.  First, we recap what the daily score predictions were coming into the evening.  Then, we take a look at the actual results.

Quote from: deiscanton on February 10, 2023, 01:13:38 AM
Friday, February 10, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  Rochester at CWRU

CWRU 84, Rochester 79

CWRU has a 68% chance to win this game, and is a -5.0 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 73 possessions per team

O/U total is 162.5

2.)  Emory at Carnegie Mellon

Carnegie Mellon 75, Emory 75-- Game is predicted to go to overtime.

Carnegie Mellon has a 49% chance to win this game in regulation, and is a +0.5 home underdog.  To win/lose against the spread in this game, the result must happen in regulation.-- The result is a push if the game heads into overtime.

Predicted game tempo is 80 possessions per team. Regulation only

O/U total is 150.0-- Regulation only

3.)  UChicago at NYU

NYU 77, UChicago 65

NYU has an 87% chance to win this game, and is a -12.0 point home favorite

Predicted game tempo is 73 possessions per team

O/U total is 142.0

4.)  Wash U at Brandeis

Brandeis 63, Wash U 66

Brandeis has a 40% chance to win this game, and is a +2.5 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 64 possessions per team

O/U total is 129.5

Results from this evening:  (Home team listed first)

1.)  CWRU 90, Rochester 87 (OT)-- Rochester covered as road underdog.

CWRU had 80 possessions in the win in a 45 minute game.  7 of those possessions came in the overtime period, so CWRU had approx 73 possessions in regulation.

Game total is 187-- Over won that one.

2.)  Carnegie Mellon 63, Emory 60-- Carnegie Mellon won outright in regulation as home underdog.

Carnegie Mellon had 73 possessions in the win.

Game total is 123--Under won that one.

3.)  NYU 80, UChicago 61-- NYU covers easily as home favorite.

NYU had 61 possessions in the win.

Game total is 141-- Under won that one.

4.)  Brandeis 52, Wash U 56-- Wash U covers as road favorite.

Wash U had 61 possessions in the win.

Game total is 108-- Under won that one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 12, 2023, 01:22:48 AM
Sunday, February 12, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  Rochester at Carnegie Mellon

Carnegie Mellon 74, Rochester 72

Carnegie Mellon has a 59% chance to win this game, and is a -2.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 75 possessions per team

O/U total is 146.0

2.)  Emory at CWRU

CWRU 84, Emory 82

CWRU has a 59% chance to win this game in regulation, and is a -2.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 78 possessions per team.

O/U total is 166.5

3.)  Wash U at NYU

NYU 72, Wash U 68

NYU has an 66% chance to win this game, and is a -4.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 67 possessions per team

O/U total is 140.5

4.)  UChicago at Brandeis

Brandeis 68, UChicago 62

Brandeis has a 69% chance to win this game, and is a -5.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 64 possessions per team

O/U total is 130.0
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 12, 2023, 06:33:12 PM
Reviewing the results from today.  First, a recap of the daily predicted scorelines going into the contests.   Then, the results.  Tonight, the results will be posted with the winning team's score first, regardless of whether or not the winner was the home team or the away team


Quote from: deiscanton on February 12, 2023, 01:22:48 AM
Sunday, February 12, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  Rochester at Carnegie Mellon

Carnegie Mellon 74, Rochester 72

Carnegie Mellon has a 59% chance to win this game, and is a -2.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 75 possessions per team

O/U total is 146.0

2.)  Emory at CWRU

CWRU 84, Emory 82

CWRU has a 59% chance to win this game in regulation, and is a -2.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 78 possessions per team.

O/U total is 166.5

3.)  Wash U at NYU

NYU 72, Wash U 68

NYU has an 66% chance to win this game, and is a -4.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 67 possessions per team

O/U total is 140.5

4.)  UChicago at Brandeis

Brandeis 68, UChicago 62

Brandeis has a 69% chance to win this game, and is a -5.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 64 possessions per team

O/U total is 130.0

The results from today-- Winning score first

1.)  Rochester 82, Carnegie Mellon 78-- Road underdog won outright.

Rochester had 68 possessions in the win.

Game total is 160-- Over wins this one.

2.)  CWRU 102, Emory 75-- CWRU easily covers the -2.5 point home favorite spread.

CWRU had 71 possessions in the win and hit 18 of 34 from 3 point range.

Game total is 177-- Over wins this one.

3.)  NYU 65, Wash U 52-- NYU easily covers the -4.5 point home favorite spread.

NYU had 64 possessions in the win.

Game total is 117-- Under wins this one.

4.)  Brandeis 58, UChicago 52-- Brandeis covers the -5.5 point home favorite spread.

Brandeis had 64 possessions in the win.

Game total is 110-- Under wins this one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 12, 2023, 07:15:45 PM
With 3 games left to play, CWRU and Wash U are currently tied for first place in the UAA at 8-3 in UAA play for each team.

Next Friday night, Feb. 17, the two co-leaders will meet at the Wash U Field House in St. Louis to break this tie.

CWRU currently has the advantage for the AQ due to their win in Cleveland earlier this season over Wash U. (First tiebreaker).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 13, 2023, 07:12:42 PM
Here is other info regarding CWRU and Wash U in case Wash U defeats CWRU on Friday, yet both teams go on to finish 10-4 in the UAA.

Both CWRU and Wash U are UAA co-leaders right now at 8-3 in the UAA, but CWRU has a 1-0 lead vs Wash U in their series, with Wash U hosting CWRU on Friday night.

Results between co-leaders and subsequent teams in the standings in descending order until the tie is broken.

Current third place team is Carnegie Mellon.  CWRU is 1-0 vs Carnegie Mellon, while Wash U is 0-1 vs CMU.

Current fourth place team is Emory.  CWRU finished 1-1 vs Emory, while Wash U finished 2-0 vs Emory.

Current fifth place team is Rochester.  CWRU finished 1-1 vs Rochester, while Wash U finished 2-0 vs Rochester.

Tied for sixth are NYU and Brandeis.  CWRU finished 4-0 vs these teams, while Wash U finished 3-1 vs these teams.

Current last place team is UChicago.  CWRU is 0-1 vs UChicago, while Wash U is 1-0 vs UChicago.

Tiebreaker #3-- Better road record in UAA conference games only.

CWRU is 2-2 in UAA road play, while Wash U is 3-3 in UAA road play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 14, 2023, 02:11:21 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 07, 2023, 06:01:05 AM
So far this season, here are the players who have won at least one UAA Athlete of the Week honor in men's basketball:

1.)  Toby Harris, Brandeis-- 3 times overall, 1 time in UAA play. (Nov. 14 and Dec. 3, 2022, and January 23, 2023)

2.)  Kevin Sax, Carnegie Mellon-- November 21, 2022
3.)  Ryan Algier, Rochester-- November 21, 2022
4.)  Justin Allen, Carnegie Mellon-- November 28, 2022
5.)  Zay Freeney, NYU-- November 28, 2022
6.)  Cinque Stephens, NYU-- December 10, 2022
7.)  RJ Holmes, Carnegie Mellon-- January 3, 2023
8.)  Ethan Edwards, Brandeis-- January 10, 2023
9.)  Benjamin Pearce, Emory-- January 10, 2023
10.) Matt Wiele, Rochester-- January 17, 2023
11.) Mason Johnson, Emory-- January 30, 2023
12.) Cole Frilling, CWRU-- February 6, 2023

Newest addition to the list:

13.)  Mitch Prendergast, CWRU-- February 13, 2023
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 14, 2023, 02:14:26 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 07, 2023, 01:08:15 PM
Quote from: Gre
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I don't follow this league was closely as you guys, but I'm surprised Frilling hasn't won it before.

Cole Frilling had been named to the D3Hoops.com Team of the Week earlier this season.

He is one of only 5 UAA men's basketball players to be named to the D3Hoops.com Team of the Week this season--

The following players, in order, have been named to the D3Hoops.com Team of the Week this season:

Week 1-- Cole Frilling, CWRU
Week 2-- Ryan Algier, Rochester
Week 6-- Spencer Freedman, NYU
Week 7-- Benjamin Pearce, Emory
Week 8-- Ethan Edwards, Brandeis

Newest addition to the list:

Week 12-- Mitch Prendergast, CWRU
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 14, 2023, 02:19:23 PM
Congratulations also go out this week to CWRU head men's basketball coach Todd McGuinness on earning this week's Hoopdirt.com National DIII Men's Basketball Coach of the Week honors.

This is the third time in his career that Coach McGuinness has been named as the Hoopdirt.com National DIII Men's Basketball Coach of the Week.  The other two times came in the 2017-18 and 2021-22 campaigns.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 14, 2023, 04:53:11 PM
Regional rankings for Week 2 on the men's side are out:

d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2023/men-regional-rankings-first  (http://d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2023/men-regional-rankings-first)

Rochester is #2 in Region III
NYU is #4 in Region IV
Emory is #5 in Region VI
CWRU is #3 and Carnegie Mellon is #4 in Region VII
Wash U is #2 in Region VIII

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 17, 2023, 05:32:54 AM
Friday, February 17, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  Brandeis at Rochester

Rochester 75, Brandeis 68

Rochester has a 73% chance to win this game, and is a -6.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 68 possessions per team

O/U total is 143.0

2.)  NYU at Emory

Emory 80, NYU 80-- Game is predicted to go to overtime.

Emory has a 49% chance to win this game in regulation, and is a +0.5 home underdog.  To win/lose against the spread in this game, the result must happen in regulation.-- The result is a push if the game heads into overtime.

Predicted game tempo is 75 possessions per team. Regulation only

O/U total is 159.5-- Regulation only

3.)  Carnegie Mellon at UChicago

UChicago 65. Carnegie Mellon 67

UChicago has an 43% chance to win this game, and is a +2.0 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 70 possessions per team

O/U total is 132.5

4.)  CWRU at Wash U

Wash U 74, CWRU 70

Wash U has a 62% chance to win this game, and is a -3.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 69 possessions per team

O/U total is 144.5
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 17, 2023, 08:25:03 PM
Halftime in the 7:30 PM Eastern tip games--

NYU 40, Emory 34 in Atlanta, GA

Rochester 49, Brandeis 34 in Rochester, NY
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 17, 2023, 09:22:24 PM
Finals in the 7:30 PM Eastern tip games--

NYU 88, Emory 82 in Atlanta, GA--

NYU Improves to 5-7 in the UAA, 16-7 overall.

Emory drops to 6-6 in the UAA, 15-8 overall.

Rochester 79, Brandeis 65 in Rochester, NY--

Rochester improves to 6-6 in the UAA, 16-7 overall.

Brandeis drops to 4-8 in the UAA, 12-11 overall.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 17, 2023, 09:26:53 PM
Halftime in the Midwest games--

Wash U 36, CWRU 35 in St. Louis, MO.  Live stats down at the moment, but I have this score at halftime courtesy of the livestream.

Carnegie Mellon 38, UChicago 37 in Chicago, IL.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 17, 2023, 10:15:07 PM
Game update--

CWRU 72, Wash U 72 43 seconds left in regulation.

Coming out of the Wash U timeout, Kevin Davet of Wash U lays it in to give Wash U a 74-72 lead with 35.1 seconds left.   It will be CWRU ball coming out of a timeout.

On the CWRU possession, Mitch Prendergast hits a 3 to give CWRU a 75-74 lead with about 18.9 seconds left.  Wash U ball coming out of this next timeout.

Final score:  CWRU 75, Wash U 74
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 17, 2023, 10:27:41 PM
Finals in the Midwest games--

CWRU 75, Wash U 74

CWRU takes sole possession of first place in the UAA-- improves to 9-3 in the UAA, 19-3 overall.  CWRU has a 1 game lead over Wash U with 2 games to play, and has the AQ advantage on the first tiebreaker by virtue of sweeping the series vs Wash U, 2-0.   Magic number to clinch the AQ on the tiebreaker for CWRU is now 1, with a win on Sunday at UChicago being enough to clinch the AQ for CWRU for their first ever Pool A UAA bid in program history.  Magic number is 1 for CWRU to earn at least a UAA co-championship and 2 for a sole UAA men's basketball championship title.

Addendum:  If CWRU and Carnegie Mellon were to end up tied for first place in the standings after Feb. 25 and be declared UAA co-champions, either by themselves, or via a 3 way tie with Wash U at 9-5 in the UAA, CWRU still currently has a tiebreaker advantage for the AQ due to results vs current sixth place team NYU.  CWRU finished 2-0 vs NYU, while Carnegie Mellon split 1-1 vs NYU.  Since Emory and Rochester are currently tied for fourth place in the UAA, both CWRU and Carnegie Mellon are tied 2-2 vs Emory and Rochester as a group.   If Emory were to finish in sole possession of fourth place, ahead of both Rochester and NYU in the standings, Carnegie Mellon would have the tiebreaker advantage over CWRU by virtue of Carnegie Mellon's 2-0 sweep vs Emory vs CWRU's 1-1 season split vs the Eagles.


Wash U drops to 8-4 in the UAA, 17-6 overall--now in second place in the UAA.

UChicago 85, Carnegie Mellon 71

UChicago improves to 3-9 in the UAA, 10-13 overall.

Carnegie Mellon drops to 7-5 in the UAA, 15-8 overall, and remain in third place in the UAA-- 2 games back of CWRU with 2 games to play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2023, 02:23:53 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 17, 2023, 05:32:54 AM
Friday, February 17, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  Brandeis at Rochester

Rochester 75, Brandeis 68

Rochester has a 73% chance to win this game, and is a -6.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 68 possessions per team

O/U total is 143.0

2.)  NYU at Emory

Emory 80, NYU 80-- Game is predicted to go to overtime.

Emory has a 49% chance to win this game in regulation, and is a +0.5 home underdog.  To win/lose against the spread in this game, the result must happen in regulation.-- The result is a push if the game heads into overtime.

Predicted game tempo is 75 possessions per team. Regulation only

O/U total is 159.5-- Regulation only

3.)  Carnegie Mellon at UChicago

UChicago 65. Carnegie Mellon 67

UChicago has an 43% chance to win this game, and is a +2.0 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 70 possessions per team

O/U total is 132.5

4.)  CWRU at Wash U

Wash U 74, CWRU 70

Wash U has a 62% chance to win this game, and is a -3.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 69 possessions per team

O/U total is 144.5

Reviewing the results from this round-- Winner's score first:

1.)  NYU 88, Emory 82-- NYU covered the -0.5 point road favorite spread.  Game ended in regulation.

NYU had 69 possessions in the win-- Game tempo a little slower than predicted.

Game total is 170-- Over won that one.

2.)  Rochester 79, Brandeis 65-- Rochester easily covers the spread.

Rochester had 61 possessions in the win-- Game tempo slower than predicted.

Game total is 144-- Over won that one.

3.)  UChicago 85, Carnegie Mellon 71-- UChicago won the game outright as road underdog.

UChicago had 64 possessions in the win-- Game tempo slower than predicted.

Game total is 156-- Over won that one.

4.)  CWRU 75, Wash U 74-- CWRU won the game outright against the spread.

CWRU had 68 possessions in the win-- Game tempo about as predicted.

Game total is 149-- Over won that one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2023, 02:37:32 AM
Sunday, February 19, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  NYU at Rochester

Rochester 78, NYU 79

Rochester has a 47% chance to win this game, and is a +1.0 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 70 possessions per team

O/U total is 156.5

2.)  Brandeis at Emory

Emory 77, Brandeis 69

Emory has a 77% chance to win this game in regulation, and is an -8.0 point home favorite. 

Predicted game tempo is 72 possessions per team.

O/U total is 145.5

3.)  CWRU at UChicago

UChicago 72, CWRU 76

UChicago has an 33% chance to win this game, and is a +5.0 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 68 possessions per team

O/U total is 148.0

4.)  Carnegie Mellon at Wash U

Wash U 68, Carnegie Mellon 61

Wash U has a 75% chance to win this game, and is a -7.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 71 possessions per team

O/U total is 130.5
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2023, 03:38:52 AM
Here are my picks right now for the following honors in the UAA;--

Player of the Year:  Mitch Prendergast, CWRU  (although Cole Frilling of CWRU finishes a close second in my picks behind Mitch).

Rookie of the Year:  Benjamin Pearce, Emory

Defensive Player of the Year: I could have gone with Ross Gang of Rochester for his leading the UAA in steals per game if Rochester was higher in the standings.   

CWRU has 2 candidates for the honor-- Cole Frilling is one of the leaders in the UAA in defensive rebounds per game.

However, my pick for DPOY is Umar Rashid of CWRU for his blocked shots stat line in UAA play-- currently leading the UAA at 1.9 blocked shots per UAA game.

Coaching Staff of the Year:  Case Western Reserve University (Todd McGuinness, Bryan Wickliffe, Brian Murphy)

Today, Case Western Reserve University can clinch the University Athletic Association's Pool A/AQ bid to the NCAA DIII Men's Basketball Tournament for the first time in program history, and an AQ for the first time in the modern era to the NCAA DIII Men's Basketball tournament (as well as the first time under the CWRU Spartan logo), with a win at the Ratner Center this afternoon over the University of Chicago.

Drew Pasteur currently gives CWRU a 93% chance of winning one of their 2 remaining games, and thereby clinching the AQ in the process.

Other scenarios:

1.)  For Wash U to win the AQ now, Wash U would have to win out their remaining 2 games, and CWRU would have to lose out on their last 2 games.  In that scenario, Wash U would win the AQ outright, and that is the only scenario possible for the Bears to pull off this feat.  (Drew Pasteur currently gives this scenario a 6% probablilty.)

2.)  For Carnegie Mellon to win the AQ, two scenarios would have to take place:  (Drew Pasteur has this scenario at 1% probabillity.)

(A)  They would have to finish either tied with CWRU in a 2 way tie as UAA Co-Champions with CWRU, or in a 3 way tie as UAA Co-Champions with CWRU and Wash U.  (Wash U would be eliminated on first tiebreaker by virtue of going 0-4 vs CWRU and Carnegie Mellon, thereby reverting to the tiebreaker scenario for a tie between CWRU and Carnegie Mellon.), and

(B)  Emory must finish in sole possession of fourth place in the UAA, and not be tied with anyone else in the standings.  In that case, Carnegie Mellon would have the second tiebreaker advantage over CWRU, as Carnegie Mellon went 2-0 vs Emory, while CWRU went 1-1 vs Emory.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2023, 12:15:51 PM
Game update--

NYU 10, Rochester 1 14:50 left.   Flagrant-1 foul was called on NYU's Zay Freeney for tugging on Ross Gang's arm and shirt and not playing the ball as Gang was attempting to shoot.

Gang missed both FTs, but afterward, Rochester sank 2 3 pointers in a row.

NYU 10, Rochester 7 13:23 left in first half.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2023, 12:39:48 PM
Halftime scores in Noon Eastern tip games--

NYU 38, Rochester 23

Brandeis 40, Emory 33

Road team leading both games at halftime.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2023, 01:34:33 PM
Halftime in Midwest games--

Wash U 41, Carnegie Mellon 33

CWRU 37, UChicago 33-- If scoreline holds, CWRU will get at least a share of the UAA title and will clinch the automatic bid to the NCAA DIII Men's Basketball Tournament on the first tiebreaker. (2-0 sweep vs Wash U)
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2023, 01:40:28 PM
Finals in Noon Eastern tip games--

NYU 66, Rochester 52

NYU improves to 6-7 in the UAA, 17-7 overall.

Rochester drops to 6-7 in the UAA, 16-8 overall.

Emory 70, Brandeis 67

Emory improves to 7-6 in the UAA, 16-8 overall, and is now in sole possession of 4th place in the UAA-- 1/2 game back of Carnegie Mellon.  The Tartans are currently losing to Wash U at halftime.

Brandeis drops to 4-9 in the UAA, 12-12 overall.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2023, 01:42:52 PM
Game update--

Emory 67, Brandeis 67 3.6 seconds left.  Emory ball out of a timeout.

Update-- Benjamin Pearce hits the game winning "3" for Emory.

Final score-- Emory 70, Brandeis 67
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2023, 02:05:27 PM
Game update--

UChicago 47, CWRU 45  11:47 left in regulation.-- Maroons take their first lead of the game in a while.

Wash U 58, Carnegie Mellon 48  11:14 left in regulation.

"UAA Basketball titles are won (or lost) on Sundays."-- former Wash U men's basketball coach Mark Edwards.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2023, 02:13:50 PM
Game update--

UChicago 56, CWRU 51  7:36 left in regulation.

Wash U 70, Carnegie Mellon 49 6:51 left in regulation.

UChicago is doing their best to make sure that the UAA Men's Basketball race will go to the final day and keep Wash U in the hunt for the AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2023, 02:21:12 PM
Game update--

UChicago 59, CWRU 58  3:55 left in regulation.

Update-- CWRU has retaken the lead.   CWRU 64, UChicago 61  2:44 left in regulation.

CWRU 70, UChicago 61  1:03 left in regulation.   CWRU about to clinch the Pool A automatic bid.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2023, 02:27:30 PM
Finals in Midwest games--

Wash U 81, Carnegie Mellon 57--  Carnegie Mellon has been eliminated from the UAA title race, and most likely the NCAA postseason.

Wash U improves to 9-4 in the UAA, 18-6 overall-- remains in second place in the UAA-- 1/2 game behind CWRU.

Carnegie Mellon drops to 7-6 in the UAA, 15-9 overall, and is tied with Emory for third place in the UAA.

CWRU 76, UChicago 67-- CWRU clinches the 2022-2023 UAA Men's Basketball AQ by virtue of tiebreaker with Wash U, and wins at least a share of the UAA Men's Basketball title.

CWRU improves to 10-3 in the UAA, 20-3 overall.  With a 1 game lead over Wash U with 1 game to play, CWRU is assured of a trophy from the UAA office for at least a Co-Championship.  Moreover, by virtue of their 2-0 season sweep vs Wash U, the only other team who could tie CWRU for a share of the title, the Spartans clinch the AQ to the NCAA DIII Men's Basketball Championship.

UChicago drops to 3-10 in the UAA, 10-14 overall, and remains in last place in the UAA.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2023, 02:39:19 PM
  Congratulations to the Case Western Reserve University Spartans on clinching your first ever UAA Men's Basketball Championship and your first ever Pool A automatic bid to the NCAA DIII Men's Basketball Championship.  Great season so far, Spartans, keep it up and here is hoping for a big run to Fort Wayne! 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on February 19, 2023, 02:50:58 PM
Bravo, Case Western Reserve!  Hail to the Spartans of Cleveland!

This league really is incredibly balanced with so nailbitter games from top to bottom.

Here's to as many UAA teams making the tournament as elected.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on February 19, 2023, 03:54:14 PM
Additionally, great article on the new Termini locker room at CWRU:

https://observer.case.edu/cwru-renames-mens-basketball-locker-room-after-mark-termini/

I love the old picture with "Case Reserve" on the jerseys.   Before the merger, Western Reserve mostly commonly referred to as only "Reserve."  People forget the rival sports teams picked the two most common names and put them together.   "Case Western" only came about because of the repetition and order of the words.  This is why I am always careful to say the complete "Case Western Reserve" when describing the sports teams...to not lose the legacy of the old "Western Reserve."
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 19, 2023, 06:50:52 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 19, 2023, 02:37:32 AM
Sunday, February 19, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  NYU at Rochester

Rochester 78, NYU 79

Rochester has a 47% chance to win this game, and is a +1.0 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 70 possessions per team

O/U total is 156.5

2.)  Brandeis at Emory

Emory 77, Brandeis 69

Emory has a 77% chance to win this game in regulation, and is an -8.0 point home favorite. 

Predicted game tempo is 72 possessions per team.

O/U total is 145.5

3.)  CWRU at UChicago

UChicago 72, CWRU 76

UChicago has an 33% chance to win this game, and is a +5.0 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 68 possessions per team

O/U total is 148.0

4.)  Carnegie Mellon at Wash U

Wash U 68, Carnegie Mellon 61

Wash U has a 75% chance to win this game, and is a -7.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 71 possessions per team

O/U total is 130.5

Reviewing the results from today-- Winner's score first.

1.)  NYU 66, Rochester 52-- NYU won against the spread.

NYU had 70 possessions in the win-- Game tempo was as predicted.

Game total is 118-- Under won that one.67

2.)  Emory 70, Brandeis 67-- Brandeis won against the spread.

Emory had 66 possessions in the game victory-- Game tempo was a little slower than predicted.

Game total is 137-- Under won that one.

3.)  CWRU 76, UChicago 67-- CWRU won against the spread.

CWRU had 67 possessions in the win-- Game tempo was about as predicted.

Game total is 143-- Under won that one.

4.)  Wash U 81, Carnegie Mellon 57-- Wash U easily covers the spread.

Wash U had 65 possessions in the win-- Game tempo was slower than predicted.

Game total is 138-- Over won that one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 20, 2023, 01:29:59 PM
Here are the tip times for the final round of UAA Men's Basketball play for the season--


Friday, February 24, 2023

Brandeis at NYU--  Game is at the Brooklyn Athletic Facility-- tip time is 6 PM Eastern.  This has been the originally scheduled time of that game since the beginning of the season. 

As you may recall, last season, the Omicron variant played havoc with the Brandeis men's basketball scheduling in the second half of the season.   IMO, the reason why Brandeis at NYU is scheduled this year on the originally released schedule back in October 2022 for Friday evening this week and not Saturday afternoon was that if a new COVID 19 surge did play havoc on the scheduling again this season, the Brandeis at NYU series on both the men's and the women's side could have been played as a home and home series Friday and Sunday of this week.

Saturday, February 25, 2023

1.)  Emory at Rochester-- 2 PM Eastern
2.)  CWRU at Carnegie Mellon-- 3 PM Eastern.
3.)  Wash U at UChicago-- 3 PM Central/4 PM Eastern.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 20, 2023, 08:04:52 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 19, 2023, 03:38:52 AM

Player of the Year:  Mitch Prendergast, CWRU  (although Cole Frilling of CWRU finishes a close second in my picks behind Mitch).

Rookie of the Year:  Benjamin Pearce, Emory

Defensive Player of the Year: I could have gone with Ross Gang of Rochester for his leading the UAA in steals per game if Rochester was higher in the standings.   

CWRU has 2 candidates for the honor-- Cole Frilling is one of the leaders in the UAA in defensive rebounds per game.

However, my pick for DPOY is Umar Rashid of CWRU for his blocked shots stat line in UAA play-- currently leading the UAA at 1.9 blocked shots per UAA game.


I agree with your POY and FYPOY picks, but I think the best defender on the best defensive team repeats as the DPOY this season and does so easily.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 20, 2023, 08:46:47 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 20, 2023, 08:04:52 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 19, 2023, 03:38:52 AM

Player of the Year:  Mitch Prendergast, CWRU  (although Cole Frilling of CWRU finishes a close second in my picks behind Mitch).

Rookie of the Year:  Benjamin Pearce, Emory

Defensive Player of the Year: I could have gone with Ross Gang of Rochester for his leading the UAA in steals per game if Rochester was higher in the standings.   

CWRU has 2 candidates for the honor-- Cole Frilling is one of the leaders in the UAA in defensive rebounds per game.

However, my pick for DPOY is Umar Rashid of CWRU for his blocked shots stat line in UAA play-- currently leading the UAA at 1.9 blocked shots per UAA game.


I agree with your POY and FYPOY picks, but I think the best defender on the best defensive team repeats as the DPOY this season and does so easily.

Okay.  Last season's DPOY was Charlie Jacob of Wash U. (with 12 steals and 1 blocked shot in UAA play in the 2021-22 season.)   However, looking at the Wash U defensive stats for UAA play this season, I see that Charlie Jacob only has 10 steals and no blocked shots in 13 games of UAA play this season.    Drake Kindsvater, on the other hand, has 22 steals and 11 blocked shots in 13 games of UAA play.

So, if a Wash U player should be DPOY, since Wash U has given up the fewest points in UAA play this season. then shouldn't Drake Kindsvater get the honor this season?

However, Charlie Jacob did get DPOY last season, so maybe it is more than just stat lines that determine this honor.  If, on the intangibles, the DPOY goes to Charlie Jacob again, then I am not going to complain.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on February 20, 2023, 11:49:05 PM
I do think it will be the eye test as it was last year. Jacob did not have box score data to point to, but was regularly the primary defender even defending taller players. 

For example, Jacob played substantial minutes on Harris.  Harris averaged 30 minutes per game but was 3-9 and 5-16 in the two meetings.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 21, 2023, 06:03:00 AM
Well, call me a little bit surprised about NYU's late season surge. (Although, I perhaps shouldn't be so surprised knowing that practically anything that could happen in the UAA men's basketball side did happen this year-- CWRU having just won their first ever UAA men's basketball title, for example.)  I just looked back at a previous post that I made earlier this month, and when I posted it, I was not realistically expecting that NYU would go on a 4 game winning streak afterwards... Maybe win 2 more games at home perhaps-- but winning 2 home games in a row, and then sweeping the road trip at Emory and Rochester, which requires a Saturday flight in between the two games, the following weekend?  Since I posted this previous post which I am quoting here, NYU is 3-3 in UAA home games this season, and is having their best year since the Coles Center closed back in 2016.  At this point, it would be a bit of a downer if NYU did not get selected on a Pool C bid, although NYU wlll be looking to win on Friday and finish 4-3 in home games in the UAA after finishing 3-3 in UAA road games, which would probably solidify a Pool C selection.

Congrats to the NYU coaching staff so far, although I did not pick that staff as my pick for UAA Coaching Staff of the Year, they finish a clear second place, closely behind CWRU's coaching staff.

Quote from: deiscanton on February 06, 2023, 12:18:39 PM
As far as my posting Matt Snyder's net efficiency handicapping lines, I am doing so this season because I seem to have a bit more trust in that system than in posting what the Massey ratings say about the matchups.   Plus, with the fact that Massachusetts just introduced legal sports betting last week, it just seemed to be fun to just post some info on lines this year, for entertainment purposes only and for the amusement of the readers.  Your mileage may vary on this. 

That being said, the net efficiency ratings going into UAA competition were very high on NYU, as well as NYU seeming to justify a feeling that maybe this year would end up a little bit differently for the Violets than it has for all the other previous years since the Coles Center closed for good in February, 2016.  No matter what happens, NYU will still have the Cregger Invitational winner's trophy for their trophy case as a memento of this season.  I don't know if NYU would have had a better UAA season this year had a pipe in the basement of the new Paulson Center not burst, but unfortunately, 2-7 through 9 UAA games is 2-7 through 9 UAA games.

An interesting observation that I have this year on NYU is that NYU has only won 1 UAA home game so far this season, and with 3 UAA home games at the Brooklyn Athletic Facility still left to play, I would be surprised if NYU won more than 1 additional home game.  This is despite the fact that Matt Snyder's net efficiency handicapping system had NYU as home favorites in practically all of their UAA games in Brooklyn so far this season.  Since the Coles Center closed back in February 2016, the NYU men have not won more than 2 home UAA games in a single season post Coles Center.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 21, 2023, 06:21:23 AM
The following UAA Men's Basketball players, in order, have been named to the D3Hoops.com Team of the Week this season:

Week 1-- Cole Frilling, CWRU
Week 2-- Ryan Algier, Rochester
Week 6-- Spencer Freedman, NYU
Week 7-- Benjamin Pearce, Emory
Week 8-- Ethan Edwards, Brandeis
Week 12-- Mitch Prendergast, CWRU

Newest additions to the list:

Week 13-- Spencer Freedman, NYU  (Second time this season for Spencer Freedman)
Week 13-- Umar Rashid, CWRU
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 21, 2023, 10:37:36 AM
Quote from: E.115 on February 19, 2023, 03:54:14 PM
Additionally, great article on the new Termini locker room at CWRU:

https://observer.case.edu/cwru-renames-mens-basketball-locker-room-after-mark-termini/

I love the old picture with "Case Reserve" on the jerseys.   Before the merger, Western Reserve mostly commonly referred to as only "Reserve."  People forget the rival sports teams picked the two most common names and put them together.   "Case Western" only came about because of the repetition and order of the words.  This is why I am always careful to say the complete "Case Western Reserve" when describing the sports teams...to not lose the legacy of the old "Western Reserve."

I appreciate your use of the full name. I don't understand the public's reluctance to use CWRU when UMHB, UCLA, and UNLV have been readily adopted. It is one more syllable I guess. 

I entered Western Reserve University in September 1966, only to return the next September to find that the "federation" had happened, so I have an affinity for the full name Case Western Reserve or CWRU. "Case Reserve" made sense when the teams merged in 1970 and 1971, since as you say WRU was shortened to "Reserve." By the 80s though, Case Reserve didn't make sense to new students who weren't all that aware of the previously separate institutions. But although I understand the ease of "Case Western", it does grate against my ear.

Western Reserve refers to the Connecticut Western Reserve, land claimed by the colony of Connecticut.

Maybe twenty years ago there was an attempt at rebranding to just "Case" which ultimately failed in large part because of WRU alums' protests. Even though I began at Western Reserve, I am ready to say that I favor just Case over Case Western especially in speaking, but always CWRU when written.

The university's branding discourages "Case" or "Case Western" since they do not represent the "university's "full history."
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2023, 01:42:34 PM

When we get info from the athletic department, there's a request to use CWRU or Case Western Reserve only.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 21, 2023, 02:45:58 PM
Regional rankings are out-- if you are listed this week, you are considered regionally ranked for selection purposes.  New teams can be added in the final regional rankings which will be released shortly after the bracket gets released next Monday, but teams listed this week cannot lose their regional ranking. 

d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2023/men-regional-rankings-second  (http://d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2023/men-regional-rankings-second)

1.)  Rochester is ranked #2 in Region III.
2.)  NYU is ranked #4 in Region IV.
3.)  Emory is ranked #5 in Region VI.
4.)  CWRU is ranked #1 in Region VII (UAA-- Pool A automatic qualifier.)
5.)  Carnegie Mellon is ranked #6 in Region VII
6.)  Wash U is ranked #2 in Region VIII.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 21, 2023, 03:54:02 PM
My quick observations--

(1)  In Region VI, Roanoke is no longer regionally ranked, but Maryville (TN) is ranked this week at #6 in Region VI, behind Emory at #5, but ahead of Guilford at #7.

This means that NYU's 11-0 non-conference record currently will not have any results vs non-conference RROs going into Selection Sunday.  Therefore, NYU needs a win on Friday over Brandeis to get to a .720 w/l pct and stay in the Pool C conversation.  If NYU wins on Friday, the .720 w/l pct along with an SOS above .550 and a 4-6 mark in results v UAA RRO opponents may be enough to get NYU a Pool C selection.

(2)  Rochester remains at 5-0 vs non-UAA RROs going into Selection Sunday, as UT-Dallas remained ranked at #7 in R10.

(3)  Wash U is now 0-2 vs non-UAA RROs going into selection Sunday, as Wabash got ranked at #7 in R7 this week, right behind Carnegie Mellon.  Wash 's other non-UAA RRO loss is vs Pomona-Pitzer, ranked #3 in R10.

(4)  Emory is now 1-1 vs non-UAA RROs going into Selection Sunday, as Maryville (TN) got ranked at #6 in R6 this week.  Emory's win over Maryville now counts as an RRO win for Emory, with Guilford is Emory's loss vs a non-UAA RRO.

(5)  Carnegie Mellon still remains regionally ranked at #6 in R7, but with an 0-2 mark vs non-UAA RROs-- a loss vs Middlebury (#2 in R1) and a loss vs Heidelberg (#5 in R7), I do not see the Tartans getting a Pool C selection, as their w/l pct. is too low.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 22, 2023, 03:39:21 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 14, 2023, 02:11:21 PM

So far this season, here are the players who have won at least one UAA Athlete of the Week honor in men's basketball:

1.)  Toby Harris, Brandeis-- 3 times overall, 1 time in UAA play. (Nov. 14 and Dec. 3, 2022, and January 23, 2023)
2.)  Kevin Sax, Carnegie Mellon-- November 21, 2022
3.)  Ryan Algier, Rochester-- November 21, 2022
4.)  Justin Allen, Carnegie Mellon-- November 28, 2022
5.)  Zay Freeney, NYU-- November 28, 2022
6.)  Cinque Stephens, NYU-- December 10, 2022
7.)  RJ Holmes, Carnegie Mellon-- January 3, 2023
8.)  Ethan Edwards, Brandeis-- January 10, 2023
9.)  Benjamin Pearce, Emory-- January 10, 2023
10.) Matt Wiele, Rochester-- January 17, 2023
11.) Mason Johnson, Emory-- January 30, 2023
12.) Cole Frilling, CWRU-- February 6, 2023
13.)  Mitch Prendergast, CWRU-- February 13, 2023

Newest addition to the list:

14.)  Spencer Freedman, NYU-- February 20, 2023
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 22, 2023, 01:00:28 PM
Nice work on the vRRO review, deiscanton. Very informative and important to know. I think Rochester and NYU get in with wins this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 22, 2023, 04:55:47 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 22, 2023, 01:00:28 PM
Nice work on the vRRO review, deiscanton. Very informative and important to know. I think Rochester and NYU get in with wins this weekend.

I agree with you there, in that NYU needs a w/l pct above .700 to get selected as a Pool C team on primary criteria and avoid any potential discussion about NYU's non-conference SOS.

Similarly, Rochester gets selected as a Pool C with a winning pct around .680, given their SOS of .632, their 5-0 mark vs non-conference RROs, and their 5-5 mark vs UAA RROs, which a win over Emory would give the Yellowjackets.  On their non-conference slate, even if you discount Rochester's victories over RROs UT-Dallas, Nazareth, and Ithaca-- it is pretty hard to discount non-conference wins over Middlebury and Wooster given where those 2 teams are currently positioned in the regional rankings.

Rochester would still have a UW-Oshkosh 2016-2017 type resume with a loss vs Emory-- with the addition of 5 non-conference RRO wins, which UW-Oshkosh in the 2016-17 season did not have.  The win/loss pct of .640 after 25 games would be the exact same win/loss pct. that UW-Oshkosh in 2016-17 had going into the WIAC tournament.  Only difference is that UW-Oshkosh was ranked #8 in the Central region that year going into the WIAC tournament and moved up in the regional rankings to #6 in the Central region after going 1-1 in the WIAC tournament.   Rochester is #2 in Region 3 going into the final week this year.

Going into the WIAC tournament, UW-Oshkosh in 2016-17 had a 7-4 non-conference record, with an 0-3 mark vs non-conference RROs.  Oshkosh then went 9-5 in the WiAC with a 4-2 mark vs WIAC RROs, including a win over UW-River Falls, the eventual WIAC AQ and the eventual #1 in the Central Region that year.  In the WIAC tournament, Oshkosh went 1-1, both of which were RRO games-- with the 1 loss in the WIAC tournament being the game for the AQ.  Oshkosh's SOS was above .600 that year as well.   That team bucked the trend of not getting selected as a Pool C with a win/loss pct below .667 that season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 24, 2023, 01:20:24 AM
Friday, February 24, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

Brandeis at NYU

NYU 88, Brandeis 76

NYU has an 85% chance to win this game, and is a -11.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 67 possessions per team

O/U total is 144.0
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 24, 2023, 07:02:53 PM
Halftime from Brooklyn--

NYU 43, Brandeis 31

PBP-- Shaun Naokarni
Color-- Aidan Massie

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 24, 2023, 07:51:22 PM
NYU basically clinches a Pool C birth with the win. 70-57.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 24, 2023, 07:52:37 PM
Final from Brooklyn--

NYU 70, Brandeis 57

NYU finishes the regular season at 7-7 in the UAA, 18-7 overall, and awaits a potential Pool C selection on Monday (which, with a .720 winning percentage and their SOS, seems very likely.)

Brandeis finishes the season at 4-10 in the UAA, 12-13 overall.

On Monday, should NYU get a Pool C, it will be the first time since 2015-16 that both the NYU men's and women's basketball teams made the NCAAs in the same season.  Prior to 2015-16, the only other season that this feat has happened was the 1997-98 season.

NYU's color commentator Aidan Massie reported that there were at least 30 people on the overflow wait list today trying to get into the packed 180 seat Brooklyn Athletic Facilty for today's Senior Day ceremonies. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 24, 2023, 08:09:18 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 24, 2023, 01:20:24 AM
Friday, February 24, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

Brandeis at NYU

NYU 88, Brandeis 76

NYU has an 85% chance to win this game, and is a -11.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 67 possessions per team

O/U total is 144.0

Reviewing the results from today-- Winner's score given first

NYU 70, Brandeis 57-- NYU covers the -11.5 point home favorite spread.

NYU had 67 possessions in the win-- Game tempo went as predicted.

Game total is 127-- Under won that one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2023, 12:51:46 AM
Saturday, February 25, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  CWRU at Carnegie Mellon

Carnegie Mellon 78, CWRU 81

Carnegie Mellon has a 41% chance to win this game, and is a +2.5 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 76 possessions per team

O/U total is 158.5

2.)  Wash U at UChicago

UChicago 58, Wash U 63

UChicago has a 33% chance to win this game, and is a +5.0 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 63 possessions per team.

O/U total is 121.0

3.)  Emory at Rochester

Rochester 78, Emory 75

Rochester has a 59% chance to win this game,  and is a -2.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 75 possessions per team.

O/U is 153.5
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2023, 02:57:55 PM
Halftime at the Palestra in Rochester, NY--

Rochester 39, Emory 36
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2023, 03:52:17 PM
Halftime at Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh--

Carnegie Mellon 45, CWRU 42
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2023, 04:16:26 PM
Final from the Palestra in Rochester, NY--

Emory 86, Rochester 76

Emory finishes the regular season at 8-6 in the UAA, 17-8 overall-- third place in the UAA.

Rochester finishes the regular season at 6-8 in the UAA, 16-9 overall-- sixth place in the UAA, but with a resume that is arguably better than the UW-Oshkosh 2016-17 resume (17-10, .630 winning percentage) or the UW-La Crosse 2018-19 resume (17-9, .654 winning percentage) because of Univ. of Rochester's 5-0 vs non-UAA RROs UT-Dallas, Nazareth, Ithaca, Middlebury, and Wooster.  Arguably, most of these RROs will be among the top 50 or top 100 resumes in DIII going into the discussion.  (Sam Atkinson in 2018-19, who was national chair of the DIII Men's Basketball Committee at the time, ranked the RROs nationally by means of the NCAA Scoring Tool for purposes of diving into the results v RROs.)

The .640 winning percentage matches UW-Oshkosh 2016-17's resume through 25 games. 

Whether or not Rochester becomes the first non-WIAC team with a win/loss percentage under .667 to get a Pool C bid this year remains to be seen, but Rochester should make the national table for discussion due to their entering the weekend at #2 in Region 3. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2023, 04:59:56 PM
Final from Wiegand Gym in Pittsburgh--

CWRU 95, Carnegie Mellon 91

CWRU clinches sole possession of the 2022-2023 UAA Men's Basketball title-- CWRU had clinched the AQ last Sunday.

CWRU finishes regular season in sole possession of first place at 11-3 in the UAA, 21-3 overall.

Carnegie Mellon finishes the regular season tied for 4th place in the UAA with NYU at 7-7 in the UAA, 15-10 overall.

Carnegie Mellon is likely out of the Pool C picture, but still awaits a potential ECAC bid on Monday.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2023, 05:00:49 PM
Halftime from the Ratner Center in Chicago, IL--

Wash U 26, UChicago 24
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2023, 05:21:19 PM
I am listening to the UChicago pep band on the livestream just before the second half is to start--

Now, I know that it is a popular song to fire up the crowd and get them ready for the game to start-- but as someone born and bred in the Boston area, I always find it strange to hear a pep band perform Dropkick Murphys "I'm Shipping Up to Boston" when neither of the teams playing in the game are representing Boston, nor is the game being played in Massachusetts.  Maybe it is just me.

I find that "I'm Shipping Up to Boston" seems much more natural in Chicago when immediately followed by "Can't Turn You Loose" by the Blues Brothers, but the UChicago band does not play Blues Brothers. 

When not following DIII basketball, I sometimes watch Boston Univ Terriers men's and women's basketball in the Patriot League, and those two aforementioned songs that I just mentioned are always played by the Boston U. pep band either just before the starting lineups are to be announced, or just before the second half is to begin.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: EagleATL on February 25, 2023, 05:47:02 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 25, 2023, 04:16:26 PM
Final from the Palestra in Rochester, NY--

Emory 86, Rochester 76

Emory finishes the regular season at 8-6 in the UAA, 17-8 overall-- third place in the UAA.

Rochester finishes the regular season at 6-8 in the UAA, 16-9 overall-- sixth place in the UAA, but with a resume that is arguably better than the UW-Oshkosh 2016-17 resume (17-10, .630 winning percentage) or the UW-La Crosse 2018-19 resume (17-9, .654 winning percentage) because of Univ. of Rochester's 5-0 vs non-UAA RROs UT-Dallas, Nazareth, Ithaca, Middlebury, and Wooster.  Arguably, most of these RROs will be among the top 50 or top 100 resumes in DIII going into the discussion.  (Sam Atkinson in 2018-19, who was national chair of the DIII Men's Basketball Committee at the time, ranked the RROs nationally by means of the NCAA Scoring Tool for purposes of diving into the results v RROs.)

The .640 winning percentage matches UW-Oshkosh 2016-17's resume through 25 games. 

Whether or not Rochester becomes the first non-WIAC team with a win/loss percentage under .667 to get a Pool C bid this year remains to be seen, but Rochester should make the national table for discussion due to their entering the weekend at #2 in Region 3.

There were 49 fouls called in the game (resulting in 66 FT attempts), including 5 fouls within the first 90 seconds of the game (all by the same official). In total, Emory had 7 players with 3+ fouls (one fouled out and 2 had 4 a piece). For Rochester, 5 players had 3+ (2 had 4 a piece). Refs definitely impacted the game and made it a FT contest for the last 12 mins. Would have been fun to let them play a little more as both teams definitely tested their bench depth.

Very entertaining, hard fought game. Gutty performances across the board. Both teams are tournament caliber teams. We'll see what Monday brings.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2023, 06:04:59 PM
Final from the Ratner Center in Chicago, IL--

Wash U 63, UChicago 62

Wash U finishes the regular season in second place in the UAA-- 10-4 in the UAA, 19-6 overall.

UChicago finishes the regular season in last place in the UAA-- 3-11 in the UAA, 10-15 overall.

This concludes conference play in the UAA for the 2022-23 basketball season.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2023, 06:35:47 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 25, 2023, 12:51:46 AM
Saturday, February 25, 2023

Daily score predictions for UAA Men's Basketball Games courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  CWRU at Carnegie Mellon

Carnegie Mellon 78, CWRU 81

Carnegie Mellon has a 41% chance to win this game, and is a +2.5 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 76 possessions per team

O/U total is 158.5

2.)  Wash U at UChicago

UChicago 58, Wash U 63

UChicago has a 33% chance to win this game, and is a +5.0 point home underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 63 possessions per team.

O/U total is 121.0

3.)  Emory at Rochester

Rochester 78, Emory 75

Rochester has a 59% chance to win this game,  and is a -2.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 75 possessions per team.

O/U is 153.5

Reviewing the results from today- Winner's score given first.

1.)  CWRU 95, Carnegie Mellon 91-- CWRU wins against the spread.

CWRU had approx 73 possessions in the win-- Game tempo just a little slower than predicted.

Game total is 186-- Over wins this one.

2.)  Wash U 63, UChicago 62-- UChicago covers the +5.0 point home underdog spread.

Wash U had approx. 69 possessions in the win-- Game tempo a little quicker than predicted.

Game total is 125-- Over wins this one.

3.)  Emory 86, Rochester 76-- Emory won against the spread.

Emory had approx. 70 possessions in the win-- Game tempo a little slower than predicted.

Game total is 162-- Over won this one.



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on February 25, 2023, 08:32:35 PM
Several Cleveland news stations covering the CWRU Spartans:

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/local-sports/case-western-reserve-mens-basketball-wins-1st-ever-conference-title-2nd-straight-ncaa-division-iii-tournament/95-1dbf46b7-b9be-4556-997f-b6c83aa11d7a

https://www.news5cleveland.com/sports/local-sports/case-western-reserve-university-mens-basketball-team-clinches-first-conference-title-raises-bar-on-program

https://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/2023/02/in-between-brain-popping-classes-is-case-western-reserve-becoming-a-basketball-school-terry-pluto.html
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 28, 2023, 11:42:18 AM
Breaking news--

"Mr. UAA" Dick Rasmussen-- the first and only Executive Secretary, Executive Director, and Executive Vice President of the University Athletic Association (in most leagues, the title would be that of Commissioner) announced today that after serving as the head of the University Athletic Association since its inception back in April, 1987, he will officially retire effective at the conclusion of the 2023-24 Academic Year on June 30, 2024.

The UAA has initiated plans to search for a new successor to try to fill what will be some extremely big shoes that will be left behind.

I will not be the only one who will miss Mr. Rasmussen when he leaves. 

uaasports.info/sports/general/2022-23/razretirement  (http://uaasports.info/sports/general/2022-23/razretirement)

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 01, 2023, 07:29:24 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 22, 2023, 03:39:21 AM

So far this season, here are the players who have won at least one UAA Athlete of the Week honor in men's basketball:

1.)  Toby Harris, Brandeis-- 3 times overall, 1 time in UAA play. (Nov. 14 and Dec. 3, 2022, and January 23, 2023)
2.)  Kevin Sax, Carnegie Mellon-- November 21, 2022
3.)  Ryan Algier, Rochester-- November 21, 2022
4.)  Justin Allen, Carnegie Mellon-- November 28, 2022
5.)  Zay Freeney, NYU-- November 28, 2022
6.)  Cinque Stephens, NYU-- December 10, 2022
7.)  RJ Holmes, Carnegie Mellon-- January 3, 2023
8.)  Ethan Edwards, Brandeis-- January 10, 2023
9.)  Benjamin Pearce, Emory-- January 10, 2023
10.) Matt Wiele, Rochester-- January 17, 2023
11.) Mason Johnson, Emory-- January 30, 2023
12.) Cole Frilling, CWRU-- February 6, 2023
13.)  Mitch Prendergast, CWRU-- February 13, 2023
14.)  Spencer Freedman, NYU-- February 20, 2023

Newest addition to the list is a repeat honor--

Cole Frilling, CWRU-- second time this season and in UAA play-- February 27, 2023

This upcoming week, only 6 teams will be eligible to have players named UAA Athlete of the Week for men's basketball.

Good luck to all 5 participating teams in the NCAA DIII tournament (CWRU, Wash U, Emory, NYU, and Rochester), as well as the 1 participating team in the ECAC DIII tournament (Carnegie Mellon).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 01, 2023, 10:18:06 AM
Wednesday, March 1, 2023

Special playoff edition-- Daily score prediction for ECAC DIII Men's Tournament games involving UAA teams courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

Allegheny at Carnegie Mellon-- 7 PM Eastern.

Winner of this game will travel to Alfred, NY to play #2 seed Alfred Saxons in the ECAC semifinals on Saturday.

Alfred University will be hosting the ECAC semifinals and championship game this weekend.

Carnegie Mellon (#3 seed) 80, Allegheny (#6 seed) 74

Carnegie Mellon has a 70% chance to win this game, and is a -5.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 75 possessions per team

O/U total is 153.5
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 01, 2023, 09:12:25 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on March 01, 2023, 10:18:06 AM
Wednesday, March 1, 2023

Special playoff edition-- Daily score prediction for ECAC DIII Men's Tournament games involving UAA teams courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing home team's predicted score first and away team's predicted score second.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

Allegheny at Carnegie Mellon-- 7 PM Eastern.

Winner of this game will travel to Alfred, NY to play #2 seed Alfred Saxons in the ECAC semifinals on Saturday.

Alfred University will be hosting the ECAC semifinals and championship game this weekend.

Carnegie Mellon (#3 seed) 80, Allegheny (#6 seed) 74

Carnegie Mellon has a 70% chance to win this game, and is a -5.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 75 possessions per team

O/U total is 153.5

Reviewing the result of tonight's ECAC quarterfinal game--

Allegheny 88, Carnegie Mellon 68-- Allegheny, as road underdog, wins outright.

Carnegie Mellon ends their season at 15-11.

Nick Nakasian DNP for the Tartans this evening.

Allegheny improves to 20-9 and will travel to Alfred, NY on Saturday to play #2 seed Alfred in an ECAC semifinal.

Allegheny had approx 73 possessions in the win-- Game tempo went as predicted.

Allegheny shot 35-72 from the field, 16-32 from 3 pt land, and 2-2 from the FT line.

Game total is 156-- Over wins this one.

(Special note-- Thanks for updating me on the results from the other ECAC games tonight, but since Carnegie Mellon is not participating this weekend, I really do not have any interest to write about this year's ECAC tournament any further.)

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 02, 2023, 04:52:08 PM
The 2022-23 All-Association Team has been announced:

uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/2022-23/22-23_MBKB_All-Assoc.pdf  (http://uaasports.info/sports/mbkb/2022-23/22-23_MBKB_All-Assoc.pdf)

Player of the Year:  Mitch Prendergast, CWRU

Defensive Player of the Year:  Charlie Jacob, Wash U

Rookie of the Year:  Benjamin Pearce, Emory

Coaching Staff of the Year:  NYU  (Head coach Dave Klatsky, assistant coaches Chris Thompson, Maurice Kearney, and Ethan Feldman)

First team

1.)  Danny Frauenheim, CWRU
2.)  Spencer Freedman, NYU
3.)  Cole Frilling, CWRU
4.)  Ross Gang, Rochester
5.)  Toby Harris, Brandeis
6.)  Benjamin Pearce, Emory
7.)  Mitch Prendergast, CWRU

Second team

1.)  Ryan Algier, Rochester
2.)  Hayden Doyle, Wash U
3.)  R.J. Holmes, Carnegie Mellon
4.)  Bryce Hopkins, UChicago
5.)  Charile Jacob, Wash U
6.)  Mason Johnson, Emory
7.)  Drake Kindsvater, Wash U
8.)  Jack Stone, Carnegie Mellon

Honorable Mention

Nick Nakasian, Carnegie Mellon
Jair Knight, Emory
Matt Wiele, Rochester



Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 02, 2023, 09:37:10 PM
I don't know anything about anything, especially the UAA. Interesting choice for the Coaching Staff of the Year. NYU went from 4-10, last season, to 7-7, winning their last 5 conference games. CWRU also improved from last season, going from 8-5 to 11-3. CWRU got 3 players on the 1st team, including POTY (Prendergast). NYU got just one player on either team. I suppose they are saying they coached a bunch of non-AC players to a .500 conference record and that's better than CWRU coaching staff?
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 03, 2023, 12:14:00 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 02, 2023, 09:37:10 PM
I don't know anything about anything, especially the UAA. Interesting choice for the Coaching Staff of the Year. NYU went from 4-10, last season, to 7-7, winning their last 5 conference games. CWRU also improved from last season, going from 8-5 to 11-3. CWRU got 3 players on the 1st team, including POTY (Prendergast). NYU got just one player on either team. I suppose they are saying they coached a bunch of non-AC players to a .500 conference record and that's better than CWRU coaching staff?

NYU had been picked by the UAA coaches to finish last in this season's UAA preseason poll, and even Dave McHugh commented on Hoopsville that NYU was on life-support at best for an NCAA Pool C bid at 4-7 in the UAA-- responding to comments from the NYU commentary crew that the Violets were still alive for an NCAA tournament bid after sweeping UChicago and Wash U at home to improve from 2-7 to 4-7 in the UAA.   Back then, NYU had to sweep the weekend road-trip at Emory and Rochester to even get a chance at a Pool C selection-- something that the Violets men's basketball program had never been done until this season, as Emory and Rochester did not even become UAA travel partners in basketball until the 2009-10 season. 

Even when Joe Nesci was NYU head men's basketball coach, the best NYU did on that weekend in his tenure was split that road trip.  The previous NYU team to make the NCAAs on a Pool C selection, the 2015-16 team, won the Friday Feb. 12, 2016 game at Emory 73-56, but lost the Sunday, Feb. 14, 2016 game at Rochester, 75-63.  (From the NYU record book).

Between the 2015-16 basketball season and the 2022-23 basketball seasons, NYU was swept on the road trip to Rochester and Emory 5 times for a combined total of 0 wins and 10 losses at the Palestra in Rochester, NY and the WoodPEC at Atlanta.  This was during the final 2 seasons of Joe Nesci's tenure as NYU head coach and all seasons that NYU played under then head coach Dagan Nelson.  During those seasons, NYU went 2-12 in UAA play in the 2016-17 season; 3-11 in UAA play in the 2017-18 season; 2-12 in the 2018-19 season; 1-13 in UAA play in the 2019-20 season; and 4-10 in UAA play in the 2021-22 season.

Coach Dave Klatsky and his crew certainly deserve credit at the very least for becoming the first NYU men's basketball coaching staff to coach the Violets to a sweep of the Emory/Rochester road weekend in NYU program history, as since 2009-10, that road trip has probably surpassed the Midwest road trip to UChicago and Wash U as the most difficult one to sweep in the UAA, IMO.

I did personally think that the CWRU coaching staff should have been UAA Coachiing Staff of the Year for leading the Spartans to their first outright UAA title-- but NYU's staff came a close second iin my personal vote, and I would not have been as surprised if the CWRU and NYU staffs had been voted in as Co-Coaching Staffs of the Year.  So, the NYU pick as Coaching Staff of the Year over CWRU is somewhat of a surprise, but not a complete shocker.

NYU will record the 2022-23 team as one of their "Great Men's Basketballl Teams" in their record book-- an honor that NYU bestows upon any of their men's basketball teams that made it to NCAA or ECAC postseason play.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 03, 2023, 06:05:04 AM
Friday, March 3, 2023

Special playoff edition-- Daily score predictions for NCAA DIII Men's Tournament games involving UAA teams courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing predicted winning team's score first and predicted losing team's score second.

I will also be listing the UAA team's chances to win the game, and their predicted spread.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  Nichols v Rochester-- 3:40 PM Eastern-- Neutral site game at Middlebury

Nichols 82, Rochester 82  Game is predicted to go to overtime

Rochester has a 50% chance to win this game in regulation, and is a +0.5 point underdog in regulation-- Game is a pick 'em in overtime.

Predicted game tempo in regulation is 80 possessions per team.

O/U is 164.5

2.)  Lancaster Bible v NYU-- 5:10 PM Eastern-- Neutral site game at Mount Union

NYU 82, Lancaster Bible 74

NYU has a 77% chance to win this game, and is a -8.5 point "home" favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 74 possessions per team.

O/U is 166.0

3.)  Arcadia at CWRU-- 6:20 PM Eastern

CWRU 86, Arcadia 69

CWRU has a 94% chance to win this game, and is a -17.0 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 70 possessions per team

O/U is 154.5

4.)  Emory at Hampden-Sydney-- 7:20 PM Eastern

Hampden-Sydney 81, Emory 73

Emory has a 23% chance to win this game, and is a +8.0 point road underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 77 possessions per team.

O/U is 154.0

5.)  Coe at Wash U-- 6:55 PM Central/7:55 PM Eastern

Wash U 71, Coe 63

Wash U has a 78% chance to win this game, and is a -8.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 67 possessions per team.

O/U is 133.5





Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 03, 2023, 05:42:48 PM
Finals in first round of NCAA DIII tournament games involving UAA teams:

1.)  Nichols 74, Rochester 71

2.)  Lancaster Bible 67, NYU 64

3.)  CWRU 82, Arcadia 76

4.)  Hampden-Sydney 63, Emory 59

5.)  Wash U 69, Coe 48

CWRU and Wash U advance to the second round (Round of 32) tomorrow.

Season is over for Rochester, NYU, and Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 03, 2023, 09:56:23 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on March 03, 2023, 06:05:04 AM
Friday, March 3, 2023

Special playoff edition-- Daily score predictions for NCAA DIII Men's Tournament games involving UAA teams courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing predicted winning team's score first and predicted losing team's score second.

I will also be listing the UAA team's chances to win the game, and their predicted spread.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  Nichols v Rochester-- 3:40 PM Eastern-- Neutral site game at Middlebury

Nichols 82, Rochester 82  Game is predicted to go to overtime

Rochester has a 50% chance to win this game in regulation, and is a +0.5 point underdog in regulation-- Game is a pick 'em in overtime.

Predicted game tempo in regulation is 80 possessions per team.

O/U is 164.5

2.)  Lancaster Bible v NYU-- 5:10 PM Eastern-- Neutral site game at Mount Union

NYU 82, Lancaster Bible 74

NYU has a 77% chance to win this game, and is a -8.5 point "home" favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 74 possessions per team.

O/U is 166.0

3.)  Arcadia at CWRU-- 6:20 PM Eastern

CWRU 86, Arcadia 69

CWRU has a 94% chance to win this game, and is a -17.0 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 70 possessions per team

O/U is 154.5

4.)  Emory at Hampden-Sydney-- 7:20 PM Eastern

Hampden-Sydney 81, Emory 73

Emory has a 23% chance to win this game, and is a +8.0 point road underdog.

Predicted game tempo is 77 possessions per team.

O/U is 154.0

5.)  Coe at Wash U-- 6:55 PM Central/7:55 PM Eastern

Wash U 71, Coe 63

Wash U has a 78% chance to win this game, and is a -8.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 67 possessions per team.

O/U is 133.5

Reviewing the results from today:

1.)  Nichols 74, Rochester 71-- Nichols covered the -0.5 point favorite spread.

Nichols had approx 73 possessions in the win-- Game tempo was a little slower than predicted.

Game total is 145-- Under won that one.

2.)  Lancaster Bible 67, NYU 64-- Lancaster Bible won outright as the "road" underdog on a neutral court.

Lancaster Bible had approx 60 possessions in the win-- Game tempo slower than predicted.

Game total is 131-- Under won that one.

3.)  CWRU 82, Arcadia 76-- Arcadia won against the spread as road underdog-- Arcadia covered the +17.0 point road underdog spread.

CWRU had approx 73 possessions in the win-- Game tempo about as predicted.

Game total is 158-- Over won that one.

4.)  Hampden-Sydney 63, Emory 59-- Emory won against the spread as road underdog-- Emory covered the +8.0 point road underdog spread.

Hampden-Sydney had approx 68 possessions in the win-- Game tempo slower than predicted.

Game total is 122-- Under won that one.

5.)  Wash U 69, Coe 48-- Wash U easily covers the -8.5 point home favorite spread.

Wash U had approx 66 possessions in the win-- Game tempo about as predicted.

Game total is 117-- Under won that one.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 03, 2023, 10:34:22 PM
Second round-- NCAA DIII tournament games involving UAA teams-- Round of 32-- Saturday, March 4, 2023

1.)  UW-Whitewater at CWRU-- 6:20 PM Eastern tip.

2.)  North Park at Wash U-- 6:55 PM Central/7:55 PM Eastern tip.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: blue_jays on March 04, 2023, 12:18:09 AM
Seeing Rochester sputter out of the tournament should surprise no one. I know the criteria dictated that they get chosen to the NCAAs, but that team looked mediocre for 5 straight weeks and it showed in the results. SOS isn't everything, and Rochester didn't pass the eye test IMO.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 04, 2023, 07:54:37 AM
Saturday, March 4, 2023

Special playoff edition-- Daily score predictions for NCAA DIII Men's Tournament games involving UAA teams courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing predicted winning team's score first and predicted losing team's score second.

I will also be listing the UAA team's chances to win the game, and their predicted spread.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  UW-Whitewater at CWRU-- 6:20 PM Eastern

CWRU 87, UW-Whitewater 80

CWRU has a 73% chance to win this game, and is a -7.0 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 73 possessions per team.

O/U is 166.5

2.)  North Park at Wash U-- 6:55 PM Central/ 7:55 PM Eastern tip.

Wash U 70, North Park 64

Wash U has a 70% chance to win this game, and is a -5.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 71 possessions per team.

O/U is 134.5
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 04, 2023, 08:18:11 PM
Finals in second round NCAA DIII Men's Basketball Tournament games involving UAA teams:

1.)  UW-Whitewater 78, CWRU 75

2.)  North Park 72, Wash U 69

Season is over for UAA Men's Basketball-- UAA teams finish 2-5 in this year's NCAA DIII Men's Basketball Championship.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 04, 2023, 10:01:13 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on March 04, 2023, 07:54:37 AM
Saturday, March 4, 2023

Special playoff edition-- Daily score predictions for NCAA DIII Men's Tournament games involving UAA teams courtesy of:

tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html (http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html)

I will be listing predicted winning team's score first and predicted losing team's score second.

I will also be listing the UAA team's chances to win the game, and their predicted spread.

These scorelines are based on Matt Snyder's efficiency ratings program going into today.

Warning: For entertainment purposes only-- Do not gamble on these scorelines!

1.)  UW-Whitewater at CWRU-- 6:20 PM Eastern

CWRU 87, UW-Whitewater 80

CWRU has a 73% chance to win this game, and is a -7.0 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 73 possessions per team.

O/U is 166.5

2.)  North Park at Wash U-- 6:55 PM Central/ 7:55 PM Eastern tip.

Wash U 70, North Park 64

Wash U has a 70% chance to win this game, and is a -5.5 point home favorite.

Predicted game tempo is 71 possessions per team.

O/U is 134.5

For the final time on this board for this season, reviewing the results from today:

1.)  UW-Whitewater 78, CWRU 75-- UW-Whitewater wins outright as road underdog.

UW-Whitewater had approx 72 possessions in the win-- Game tempo about as predicted.

Game total is 153-- Under wins this one.

2.)  North Park 72, Wash U 69-- North Park wins outright as road underdog.

North Park had 70 possessions in the win-- Game tempo about as predicted.

Game total is 141-- Over wins this one.

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on March 07, 2023, 12:44:08 PM
Complete season list of UAA Athletes of the Week for Men's Basketball for the 2022-2023 basketball season, including the NCAA DiII Men's Basketball Tournament:

1.)  Toby Harris, Brandeis-- 3 times overall, 1 time in UAA play. (Nov. 14 and Dec. 3, 2022, and January 23, 2023)
2.)  Kevin Sax, Carnegie Mellon-- November 21, 2022
3.)  Ryan Algier, Rochester-- November 21, 2022
4.)  Justin Allen, Carnegie Mellon-- November 28, 2022
5.)  Zay Freeney, NYU-- November 28, 2022
6.)  Cinque Stephens, NYU-- December 10, 2022
7.)  RJ Holmes, Carnegie Mellon-- January 3, 2023
8.)  Ethan Edwards, Brandeis-- January 10, 2023
9.)  Benjamin Pearce, Emory-- January 10, 2023
10.) Matt Wiele, Rochester-- January 17, 2023
11.) Mason Johnson, Emory-- January 30, 2023
12.) Cole Frilling, CWRU-- 3 times overall, 2 times in UAA play-- (February 6, February 27, and March 7, 2023).
13.)  Mitch Prendergast, CWRU-- February 13, 2023
14.)  Spencer Freedman, NYU-- February 20, 2023


List resumes next season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2023, 04:09:19 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on March 04, 2023, 12:18:09 AM
Seeing Rochester sputter out of the tournament should surprise no one. I know the criteria dictated that they get chosen to the NCAAs, but that team looked mediocre for 5 straight weeks and it showed in the results. SOS isn't everything, and Rochester didn't pass the eye test IMO.

It turned out, too, that perhaps Nichols was pretty good.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 16, 2023, 05:11:06 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on September 20, 2022, 02:58:01 PM
Rochester
Washington University
Case Western Reserve
NYU
Carnegie Mellon
Emory
Brandeis
Chicago

My predictions from September held up relatively well in what was going to be one of the more challenging seasons to call.

I had no idea that Emory would be bolstered by two first-year players who had fantastic seasons.

I also did not know much about Danny Frauenheim but I should have done more homework.  Frauenheim was an incredible addition for the Spartans.  No way they finish higher than third without him.

Rochester had a good non-conference season, but struggled during conference play.  Injuries were a part of that.

The final standings:

Case Western Reserve
Washington University
Emory
NYU
Carnegie Mellon
Rochester
Brandeis
Chicago
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 20, 2023, 03:30:08 PM
Just thinking about players who are expected to return next season.

Here is a quick look at the teams without insider knowledge of who might return, so just speculating.  I am also assuming that everyone in their first, second or third season is returning. 

I'll go a few teams at a time.

Rochester
The Yellowjackets were the oldest team in the league with Algier, Gang and Masino returning to play in their fifth or sixth season in 2022-2023 along with a bunch of other seniors.

The Senior Day recap does not list the seniors who were honored, but includes a photo that does not include Amsellem, Niemczura (5 pgg, 2 rpg), Jackson, Kershner (7 ppg, 3 rpg) and Knight who may be returning for a fifth season though obviously that is hard to say.  They also return Jagodzinski (6.5 ppg, 3 rpg) and Wiele (10 ppg, 4 rpg) among others.

The Yellowjackets appear to be rebuilding in 2023-2024, but they always have guys who make big jumps in productivity when needed.

Case Western Reserve
The Spartans were the second oldest team in the league with Prendergast and Frauenheim along with Frilling and a few other seniors. 

Frilling may well return which would big for the Spartans for all the obvious reasons.  He averaged 15 ppg and 8 rpg this season.  McGuiness had suggested that he hopes Frilling returns in one of his weekly recaps.

Drenth was not on the roster, but others here said he would be back next season after returning from an injury.  Drenth had a good sophomore campaign and would bring much needed size to the post, though Rashid (13 ppg, 5 rpb) was just a sophomore and had a very good year. 

Trunley (8 ppg) Elam (7 ppg, 5 rpg) and Thorburn (7 ppg, 5 rpg) also return.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 21, 2023, 04:42:30 PM
Carnegie Mellon
The Tartans senior class including Nakasian, Berry, Oberman and Sax were all honored as part of senior day, but I would not be surprised if any of them return for a fifth year.

In 2022-2023, the Tartans were paced by juniors Stone (14 ppg, 3 rpg) and Holmes (13 ppg, 7 rpg) as well as first-year Allen (11 ppg, 3 rpg).  They also return DeJardin and others.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on March 30, 2023, 11:27:28 AM
Brandeis
Brandeis has graduated Lien, Justice and Brown this season, but return Harris, Edwards, Zene and Power among others. 

Harris may well be the conference player of the year as a junior.  Edwards had a great freshman campaign until his injury.  Zene was also very good in his first-year.

I think Brandeis is going to be very good next season and will finish in the top half of the conference.  I would not be surprised to see them in Top 25 if they can get a few more guys to step up.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on April 05, 2023, 03:12:30 PM
Emory
Emory returns everyone who played substantial minutes other than Mason Johnson who had a quality senior season, finishing with 13 points and 7 rebounds per game. 

That includes three players who scored in double-digits including Pearce, Knight and Martens as well as Fallas, Whelton, Shanahan among others. 

Emory is going to be very good next season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on May 03, 2023, 12:25:47 PM
Rochester men's basketball has just announced via Twitter, the men's basketball teams competing in the 2023 UAA/NESCAC Challenge this December, 2023.

The field has expanded to 6 UAA teams vs 6 NESCAC teams in 3 pairings, with each UAA team playing against the 2 NESCAC teams in their group and vice versa.

Pairings 1 and 2 will remain the same, with Rochester and Carnegie Mellon once again playing Bowdoin and Middlebury.

Brandeis and Emory will once again play Colby and Bates.

The new group will have UChicago and NYU play Hamilton and Connecticut College.

Sites and Times TBD.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: gordonmann on May 17, 2023, 08:39:32 AM
This interview may interest folks on this page:

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2023/05/atn-aaron-toomey-hartford
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: nescac1 on May 20, 2023, 09:35:19 AM
Nice late recruiting pick-up for Emory, JB Frankel, who is a highly-ranked point guard in New England:

https://newenglandrecruitingreport.com/recruits/jb-frankel-2023

Between him and last year's impressive frosh guard trio of Pearce, Knight and Thomas, Emory should be all set at guard for the next three years. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Macsfan on June 15, 2023, 06:31:03 PM


Quote from: nescac1 on May 20, 2023, 09:35:19 AM
Nice late recruiting pick-up for Emory, JB Frankel, who is a highly-ranked point guard in New England:

https://newenglandrecruitingreport.com/recruits/jb-frankel-2023

Between him and last year's impressive frosh guard trio of Pearce, Knight and Thomas, Emory should be all set at guard for the next three years.

Looks like Frankel is actually going to Northeastern. Not sure why NERR originally said Emory. He would've been a great D3 player.

https://twitter.com/JBFRANK3L/status/1669443438138335235?t=5s-5rhmgZdrA9DMI5LUa7Q&s=19
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 15, 2023, 07:57:41 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on March 20, 2023, 03:30:08 PM
Case Western Reserve
The Spartans were the second oldest team in the league with Prendergast and Frauenheim along with Frilling and a few other seniors. 

Frilling may well return which would big for the Spartans for all the obvious reasons.  He averaged 15 ppg and 8 rpg this season.  McGuiness had suggested that he hopes Frilling returns in one of his weekly recaps.

Drenth was not on the roster, but others here said he would be back next season after returning from an injury.  Drenth had a good sophomore campaign and would bring much needed size to the post, though Rashid (13 ppg, 5 rpb) was just a sophomore and had a very good year. 

Trunley (8 ppg) Elam (7 ppg, 5 rpg) and Thorburn (7 ppg, 5 rpg) also return.

CWRU is adding three grad students:

* 6'5" Preston Maccoux (15.6 ppg, 5.8 rpg) from Wesleyan
* 6'3" Richie Manigault (10.9 ppg, 4.7 rpg) from Washington & Lee
* 6'3" Anthony Mazzeo (18.8 ppg, 5.3 rpg) from Baldwin Wallace

My guess is that this is going to change the outlook on the 2023-23 UAA quite a bit.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on June 15, 2023, 09:03:19 PM
Four grad students.  They also added Sewanee forward Colin Kahl.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 15, 2023, 09:30:44 PM
Kahl is 6'7" and was Sewanee's primary big man, averaging 16.6 and 6.2 for the Tigers. He has nice moves and good touch around the basket. He'll be a nice addition as well.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 14, 2023, 10:46:14 AM
Spartans will participate in the D3hoops.com Classic in Vegas December 27-30

https://athletics.case.edu/sports/mens-basketball/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: EagleATL on July 27, 2023, 04:26:32 PM
Emory schedule now up.
https://www.emoryathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2023-24/schedule
Nonconference grind ahead of UAA play:
Guilford | Berry | Sewanee | Colby | Mary Washington | Maryville (TN) | Christopher Newport
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on August 10, 2023, 08:51:51 PM
Renderings for renovation of Adelbert Gym to become permanent home of Spartan basketball.

https://twitter.com/CWRUhoops/status/1684264752728375300/photo/1

https://twitter.com/CWRUhoops/status/1684264752728375300/photo/2
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: tomt4525 on October 12, 2023, 05:12:03 PM
6'5" Brookfield Academy(Wisconsin) F, Anthony Przybilla, committed to Wash U.  Przybilla had a D2 offer from University of Indianapolis.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on October 13, 2023, 02:22:56 PM
Spartan roster posted https://athletics.case.edu/sports/mens-basketball/roster?view=2

Frilling hasn't returned for covid year, but Drenth is back after missing last season due to injury. 5 FY and  1 SO who it appears was in school but not on team. And 7 transfers 5 GR and 2 underclassmen.

TRANSFERS

https://www.bwyellowjackets.com/sports/mbkb/2022-23/bios/mazzeo_anthony_0o2b

https://sewaneetigers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/colin-kahl/7779

https://dyusaints.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/caleb-chapman/2985 dii

https://generalssports.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/richie-manigault/14536

https://athletics.wesleyan.edu/sports/mens-basketball/roster/preston-maccoux/17509

https://famuathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/jaylan-hewitt/3830

https://ritathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/andrew-fox/16723




Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: stlawus on October 13, 2023, 03:28:26 PM
I had seen someone say that a RIT player transferred to CWRU a while back but couldn't find out who it was at the time.  That's a pretty big loss for RIT and a definite gain for Case. He developed quite a bit from his freshman to sophomore year.

Also noticed a couple players on WashU "shrank" a few inches compared to last year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: WUPHF on October 13, 2023, 03:47:22 PM
Looks like 5-7 players who would have had their second, third or fourth year of eligibility this season are not on the Case Western Reserve roster.

The UAA has had a lot of players over the years who played limited minutes before having break-out seasons as a senior.  Not to mention the juniors.

The extended eligibility was a good idea at the time, but you have to feel for the guys who working their way up through a program only to have 2-3 guys who already played four full seasons transfer-in to compete for their position.

As for the Washington University roster, that is interesting to say the least.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Jay Murry on October 20, 2023, 01:13:26 PM

Hello All,

While I will be following from afar WashU's football efforts against North Central, it won't be idle following.

I will be in the midst of my Rett Gets Rocked 2023 24-hour ultramarathon at WashU to raise awareness of Rett syndrome and research funds to find a cure.  I'm starting around 8:00 Friday night (after I provide the call for the WashU-Saint Louis U. swimming and diving meet), and ending at 8:00 Saturday night. 

Rett syndrome is a neurological disorder caused by a gene mutation on the X chromosome.  It lays in the weeds until a child is between 6-18 months old, just when a child is learning to walk and talk.  Rett is like Lucy in the Peanuts comic strip when she pulls the ball away from Charlie Brown, as he tries to kick it.  Unlike Charlie Brown...when Rett pulls the ball away from children, they don't get a chance to get up and try again.  Children go into severe neurological regression; many end up in wheelchairs and most lose the ability to talk and to do sign language.  Those with Rett also are prone to seizures, extreme nerve pain, GI issues, breathing abnormalities, and eating difficulties that can all be life-threatening.

Researchers are relentless, providing hope on two fronts.  Back in March of this year, Daybue became the first FDA-approved drug to target the effects of Rett syndrome.  Daybue helps blunt some of the seizures and has helped improve some vocal and gross motor skills.  Gene replacement therapy clinical trials in two North American locations have helped one patient sit up independently for the first time in a decade, and to grasp objects for the first time since infancy.

It is this momentum of hope and progress that I am trying to assist and perpetuate.

If you would like to make a donation, click on this Rett Racers link:  https://rettracers.funraise.org/fundraiser/jaymurry

The families of children who have Rett and fight a tough fight every day, will be very grateful for your help.

Thank you for your time and consideration, and enjoy the games this weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on October 24, 2023, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 13, 2023, 02:22:56 PM
Spartan roster posted https://athletics.case.edu/sports/mens-basketball/roster?view=2

Frilling hasn't returned for covid year, but Drenth is back after missing last season due to injury. 5 FY and  1 SO who it appears was in school but not on team. And 7 transfers 5 GR and 2 underclassmen.

TRANSFERS

https://www.bwyellowjackets.com/sports/mbkb/2022-23/bios/mazzeo_anthony_0o2b

https://sewaneetigers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/colin-kahl/7779

https://dyusaints.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/caleb-chapman/2985 dii

https://generalssports.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/richie-manigault/14536

https://athletics.wesleyan.edu/sports/mens-basketball/roster/preston-maccoux/17509

https://famuathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/jaylan-hewitt/3830

https://ritathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/andrew-fox/16723

Seven transfers, including Five Grad Students (many of them were multi-year starters on their prior teams)...completely blows my mind!

Is this the new normal or the last year of Covid year extra eligibility ripple effects??
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 24, 2023, 01:34:56 PM
I think it's the latter. And I believe next year is the last year you'll see mass transfers because it'll be the last eligible Covid year.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on November 10, 2023, 09:13:57 PM
CWRU had a solid season opener ... up 62-29 at halftime rolling to a 104 - 73 W

Question though ... one of the transfers, 6' 9" Andrew Fox, did not play nor do I think we was even there.

Anyone know if he's hurt ... or even still on the team??

https://athletics.case.edu/sidearmstats/mbball/summary;team=home
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 14, 2023, 12:27:03 PM
He's no longer on the roster.

He was a JR transfer from RIT, perhaps he's decided to go back there next semester.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on November 28, 2023, 07:31:56 PM
CWRU basketball will have a super unique basketball home court soon.

Renovating + adding some expansion to a building built in 1888 and 1919:

https://x.com/CWRUhoops/status/1729232028804280624?s=20%0A
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: UAA_Truthsayer on December 10, 2023, 06:55:13 PM
Got an early look at CWRU going into conference play. I think it is silly that division 3 doesn't value strength of schedule as much as they should. There are 3 top 15 teams in the Cleveland Metro and they don't play each other: why?

Colin Khal is an early lock for all conference, all region, and maybe all-American. The kid competes at a high level. At times Case can lack direction and focus as they are team that relies almost entirely on transfers. I would press them when their primary ball handler is on the bench. It is tough to piece together former starters from previous schools with former starters at the current school. It will be interesting to see how it all works when they start play competition that matches the skill on their roster.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: stlawus on December 10, 2023, 09:17:01 PM
Quote from: UAA_Truthsayer on December 10, 2023, 06:55:13 PM
Got an early look at CWRU going into conference play. I think it is silly that division 3 doesn't value strength of schedule as much as they should. There are 3 top 15 teams in the Cleveland Metro and they don't play each other: why?

Colin Khal is an early lock for all conference, all region, and maybe all-American. The kid competes at a high level. At times Case can lack direction and focus as they are team that relies almost entirely on transfers. I would press them when their primary ball handler is on the bench. It is tough to piece together former starters from previous schools with former starters at the current school. It will be interesting to see how it all works when they start play competition that matches the skill on their roster.

Uhhhh division III values SOS to a significant degree, so much so that they over rely on it. 
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on December 12, 2023, 11:59:16 AM
Quote from: UAA_Truthsayer on December 10, 2023, 06:55:13 PM
Got an early look at CWRU going into conference play. I think it is silly that division 3 doesn't value strength of schedule as much as they should. There are 3 top 15 teams in the Cleveland Metro and they don't play each other: why?

Colin Khal is an early lock for all conference, all region, and maybe all-American. The kid competes at a high level. At times Case can lack direction and focus as they are team that relies almost entirely on transfers. I would press them when their primary ball handler is on the bench. It is tough to piece together former starters from previous schools with former starters at the current school. It will be interesting to see how it all works when they start play competition that matches the skill on their roster.

I'm disappointed that CWRU and JCU aren't playing one another and the first four games in December are against weak teams. But Capital is 8-2 with losses only to CWRU and 6-2 RV Marietta. Then too in Vegas after Christmas Spartans face # 4 Oswego State and  8-1 Clark whose only loss is to #5 Tufts by 4 points. And of course three other UAA squads are in the Top 25. SoS will be just fine.

I think that it's inaccurate to say CWRU relies almost entirely on transfers.  The top 5 in minutes/game are 2 transfers and 3 returners from last year. To me their weakness is the absence of a true point guard. Mazzeo is filling that role, but it wasn't his role at BW. 

Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: UAA_Truthsayer on December 12, 2023, 06:16:27 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on December 12, 2023, 11:59:16 AM
Quote from: UAA_Truthsayer on December 10, 2023, 06:55:13 PM
Got an early look at CWRU going into conference play. I think it is silly that division 3 doesn't value strength of schedule as much as they should. There are 3 top 15 teams in the Cleveland Metro and they don't play each other: why?

Colin Khal is an early lock for all conference, all region, and maybe all-American. The kid competes at a high level. At times Case can lack direction and focus as they are team that relies almost entirely on transfers. I would press them when their primary ball handler is on the bench. It is tough to piece together former starters from previous schools with former starters at the current school. It will be interesting to see how it all works when they start play competition that matches the skill on their roster.

I'm disappointed that CWRU and JCU aren't playing one another and the first four games in December are against weak teams. But Capital is 8-2 with losses only to CWRU and 6-2 RV Marietta. Then too in Vegas after Christmas Spartans face # 4 Oswego State and  8-1 Clark whose only loss is to #5 Tufts by 4 points. And of course three other UAA squads are in the Top 25. SoS will be just fine.

I think that it's inaccurate to say CWRU relies almost entirely on transfers.  The top 5 in minutes/game are 2 transfers and 3 returners from last year. To me their weakness is the absence of a true point guard. Mazzeo is filling that role, but it wasn't his role at BW.


I wouldn't compare minutes played with impact on the court. Mazzeo and Khal are undoubtably the heart and soul of this team. With Maccaux and Manigault starting to contribute more off the bench, this team could be called the "Weather School of Management Spartans." Trunley and Rashid are both extremely valuable pieces and Thronburn gives them size on defense, but they don't seem to have the same domineering power.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on December 18, 2023, 12:20:11 AM
Side note — it is crazy how every team in the UAA has a winning record right now:  https://uaasports.info/sports/mens-basketball
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 18, 2023, 09:24:30 AM
Quote from: E.115 on December 18, 2023, 12:20:11 AM
Side note — it is crazy how every team in the UAA has a winning record right now:  https://uaasports.info/sports/mens-basketball

While not quite as impressive, nine (the UAA only has eight teams) of the ODAC's thirteen teams have winning records: https://odaconline.com/standings.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 18, 2023, 09:39:44 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on December 18, 2023, 09:24:30 AM
Quote from: E.115 on December 18, 2023, 12:20:11 AM
Side note — it is crazy how every team in the UAA has a winning record right now:  https://uaasports.info/sports/mens-basketball

While not quite as impressive, nine (the UAA only has eight teams) of the ODAC's thirteen teams have winning records: https://odaconline.com/standings.aspx?path=mbball

And 11 of 13 have winning non-conference records (the UAA hasn't played any conference games yet).
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: E.115 on December 18, 2023, 12:10:16 PM
Hmm ... maybe ... so then ... how impressive is 7 of the 8 teams being at least 7-2 right now?  That's gotta be worth something overall.

School                        Conf   Overall
Case Western Reserve   0-0      9-0
Washington St. Louis     0-0      9-1
New York                      0-0      8-1
Emory                          0-0      7-1
Brandeis                       0-0      7-2
Carnegie Mellon            0-0      7-2
Chicago                        0-0      7-2
Rochester                     0-0      5-4
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 18, 2023, 04:57:09 PM
^^^ Agreed. I think the UAA's non-conference results are more impressive than the ODAC's.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 20, 2024, 10:16:33 AM
Finally!  D3Boards is back after 2 months out of service.   Trying to react via posting on X was quite a challenge.

Anyway, This season so far has been a whirlwind of excitement every weekend.

On the first weekend, I fulfilled a promise of mine to personally travel to NYU and watch a doubleheader in person at the new Paulson Center at the corner of Bleecker and Mercer Streets.  The new court at NYU is worth the trip-- FYI, NYU is now the only UAA campus where the primary basketball court and the primary volleyball court are kept separate and dedicated to each individual use.  The stands can be configured one way if there is a volleyball event, and reconfigured a separate way if there is a basketball event.  You enter the athletic part of the facility literally at the corner of Bleecker and Mercer in Greenwich Village, where the tickets go on sale in a separately set table from the security gates 1 hour before tip.  You make your $10 ticket purchase by tapping a credit card onto a portable machine, get your physical ticket, and then proceed through the security gate.  Once past the gates, you either go down the stairs or take the elevator to the "sub-cellar" where the new basketball court is located.

One drawback with the new building is that you cannot see the basketball court from the surface the way that you could when you entered the old Coles Center.  However, the new video scoreboards more than make up for it.   I don't know whether this has been the case every weekend of UAA competition so far, but NYU set up the fencing multi-purpose locker room up on the surface level (next to the cardio floor) for the visiting team's alumni reception room.  It took me a while to find the reception room, but during halftime of the women's game, I finally found it and was able to enjoy the catering spread, which included pizza for the second game.

A separate snack bar is available near courtside where snacks can be purchased by also tapping a credit card onto a machine.

Memories of my brief visit to NYU on Saturday, Jan. 6--

1.)  I slept at home in my apartment on Friday evening and then took at 5:30 AM Lyft to the Amtrak Route 128 station in Westwood, MA.

2.)  I took the 6:50 AM Amtrak Northeast Regional train to New York-- got to Moynihan Train Hall at 10:45 AM.

3.)  Walked to Arby's at 8th Avenue and 39th Street for a classic roast beef lunch-- first time in years that I was able to have lunch at Arby's.  In Massachusetts, there are only 2 Arby's restaurants remaining, and the closest one is in the Worcester area-- too far to regularly go there to eat.

4.)  Tapped my credit card for a $2.90 subway ride to Broadway and Lafayette Station-- short walk from there to 181 Mercer Street.

5.)  Some mixed precip started falling in Manhattan during the second game-- so after the doubleheader, I walked back to Broadway and Lafayette subway station and made the long trek to get through the station and connect to the uptown platform for the 6 line at Bleecker Street subway station.

6.)  Took the 6 train to Grand Central Terminal and then got on the Metro North train to Stamford, CT, where I spent the night at the Red carpet Inn.  Moderate snow was falling in Stamford when I got there around 7:30 PM, which made the short 2 mile bus ride a little slow going.  Got to the inn and checked in just after 8 PM and went to bed.

9.)  Checked out just before 7:30 AM ET on Sunday and took the bus to downtown Darien CT where I had breakfast at Dunkin.   I then took Metro North back to Stamford and then connected to the returning Amtrak Northeast Regional train back to Route 128 Station where a friend picked me up for the short ride home.

Total cost of trip-- train tickets, subway fare, commuter rail fare, breakfast, lunch, game ticket, and room for night-- approx. $160.00.  I bought the Amtrak tickets just before Labor Day last year, and it was worth it since I had not been to New York City in years.

I still have my game ticket and 76 page game program from the event-- I may consider having the program autographed on Saturday when NYU makes the return visit to Brandeis to conclude the season.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2024, 10:22:03 AM
Thanks for your post. It's great to be back, plus I always appreciate a good travelogue.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 20, 2024, 10:42:30 AM
After an eventful season of UAA action, the men's basketball AQ comes down to the final day of play on Saturday.

Here are the scenarios:

1.) CWRU defeats Carnegie Mellon-- CWRU clinches the Pool A AQ no matter what the outcome is of the NYU and Brandeis game. In that case, a Brandeis win would make CWRU outright UAA Men's Basketball Champions, while an NYU win would make CWRU and NYU Men's Basketball Co-Champions, with CWRU winning the AQ by means of the second tiebreaker by posting a 1-1 result vs third place Carnegie Mellon, while NYU went 0-2 vs the Tartans.

2.) NYU wins over Brandeis and Carnegie Mellon wins-- NYU would be outright UAA Men's Basketball Champion and getthe AQ.

3.) Carnegie Mellon wins over CWRU and Brandeis wins over NYU-- Carnegie Mellon, CWRU, and NYU would be UAA Men's Basketball Co-Champions, and Carnegie Mellon would get the AQ by virtue of first tiebreaker-- a 4-0 head to head sweep vs CWRU and NYU.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on February 20, 2024, 10:51:43 AM
desicanton,

Thanks for the run down.

I hope that CWRU pulls it off!  GO SPARTANS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: UAA_Truthsayer on February 20, 2024, 07:32:35 PM
I could see an update in Cleveland this weekend if Case doesn't come to play or rebound like they did at NYU or CMU. You would've thought that they all planned to box out with their hands down the last time the played Carnegie. Offensively they will be fine, but the game is played at both ends.

I do not see any upset potential with NYU/Brandeis. If I was a betting man, I'd bet on a 3 way tie for first in the UAA.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on February 23, 2024, 10:55:06 AM
A Q-cast with Jean Bain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmoxGX08pXA&t=18s
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 26, 2024, 02:12:17 PM
UAA is hosting 3 NCAA DIII Tournament First/Second Round pods this upcoming weekend, and Carnegie Mellon is in and playing at a pod at Catholic University in Washington, DC.

The second pod announced on the selection show confirmed that the UAA got 4 teams in when Carnegie Mellon's name was announced.

Men's teams get priority over women for hosting duties this weekend.

Carnegie Mellon will be headed to Catholic's pod in Washington, DC.   Here is the field for that pod:

1.)  Rowan Profs vs Carnegie Mellon Tartans
2.)  Worcester State Lancers at Catholic Cardinals

The ninth pod announced was the Case Western Reserve pod being played at Horsburgh Gym in Cleveland.

Here is the field for the CWRU pod at Horsburgh Gym in Cleveland this upcoming weekend:

1.)  Mary Baldwin Fighting Squirrels at CWRU Spartans
2.)  Hope Flying Dutchmen vs Anderson Ravens

The twelfth pod announced was the Wash U pod being played at the Edwards/Fahey Court in the Wash U Field House in St. Louis this weekend--

Here is the field for the Wash U pod--

1.)  Dubuque Spartans vs Illinois College Blue Boys
2.)  Wisconsin Lutheran Warriors at Wash U Bears

The sixteenth and final pod announced was the NYU pod being played at the Paulson Center at the corner of Bleecker and Mercer Streets in Greenwich Village in New York City this weekend.

Here is the field for the NYU pod--

1.)  Tufts Jumbos vs Stockton Ospreys
2.)  Husson Eagles at NYU Violets

I am looking forward to the commentary from Ron Jantz, Jay Murry, and the NYU student broadcating crew this upcoming weekend on those pods.   Looking forward to some bracket analysis of these pods as well.

Catholic's regular season live webcasts of the home games were exclusive this season to FloSports as part of their Landmark Conference package, with on-demand games being made available for free 72 hours later on Landmark Digital Network.

The Conference package on FloSports costs $15/month to subscribe, but I believe that there is a rule from the NCAA that NCAA DIII basketball tournament games must currently be streamed and available live for free.

In the past, NCAA live basketball tournament games that were played at Rochester were streamed for free while regular season games streamed from the Louis Alexander Palestra required a $7.95 24 hour pass or a $10.95 monthly subscription to watch. 

Although I currently am subscribing to FloSports for February and March, I will be cancelling my FloSports subscription for the time being after I get charged for the March subscription. I can reactivate it at any time for the 30 day monthly periods that I need to use the subscription after I cancel. Similarly, I have already cancelled my monthly subscription to Rochester's service, and I have a few weeks left to view on-demand games on that website.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2024, 04:29:51 PM

Deis,

All NCAA first and second weekend games should be free.  They're owned by the NCAA and not the conference.  You should not need a March Flo subscription.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: deiscanton on February 27, 2024, 08:16:00 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2024, 04:29:51 PMDeis,

All NCAA first and second weekend games should be free.  They're owned by the NCAA and not the conference.  You should not need a March Flo subscription.

The March Flo subscription, if I decide to get charged for it (I have until March 8 to cancel the subscription if I do not want another month), would be to watch CWRU softball in the Spring Games (March 10-15) from Florida. (However, the softball Spring Games are usually announcerless.)  There are also early rounds of the Coastal Athletic Association men's and women's basketball tournaments (week of March 8-15) involving Northeastern University and Towson that I may need to have this subscription for the extra 30 days until April.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: UAA_Truthsayer on March 03, 2024, 10:47:01 PM
Predicting a Case Western 2-0 weekend. If they stay unselfish and no one starts believing it is "their turn" to shine, frankly they are unbeatable. They have 7 all conference level players, elite guard play, bigs with grit, and the 2 best "bench" players in the ENTIRE COUNTRY. Adjusted for size and comp, maybe in all of the NCAA. I mean it isn't even funny; Maccaux and Trunley can go.

Interested to see how Trunley adjusts next year to basically an entire new team of transfers.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 10, 2024, 12:59:26 PM
Is there any validity to the claim that the lack of a conference tournament hurts the UAA in the NCAA tournament? They don't have the "lose and you're done" mentality until you hit the Big Dance.
Title: Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
Post by: ziggy on March 27, 2024, 07:54:36 AM
We will get some scheduling news for next season when the 2024 Great Lakes Invitational matchups and schedule is announced tonight at 8 PM ET: https://youtu.be/uMQvyLC98bw

Emory will be joined in the eight-team field by Calvin (host), Hope, John Carroll, Johns Hopkins, Marietta, Saint John's and UW-La Crosse.