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Division III basketball (Posting Up) => Men's Basketball => Region 5 men's basketball => Topic started by: Coach C on April 08, 2005, 02:38:39 PM

Title: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on April 08, 2005, 02:38:39 PM
Yeah, that is pretty much the pool you get when you are offering a job at less than 10k, only posting it part time AND you royally screwed the legendary prior coach.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 08, 2005, 02:40:21 PM
Story posted out front this morning regarding Dzik, by the way.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on April 11, 2005, 05:46:09 PM
As Coach C. pointed out, who would want to coach at Cabrini?

They will probably hire someone who doesn't get it.  IT being the fact that they would be replacing a small college legend and that they are not ever going to be as successful as Coach Dzik because they will have NO alumni support.

I am now going to donate what I would have donated to Cabrini to Piedmont College, where people respect loyalty.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Cavs33 on May 30, 2005, 09:04:02 PM
Cabrini's new coach has the program headed in the right direction, the will compete next year for a league championship.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 31, 2005, 12:12:21 AM
And apparently he has no qualms about players posting? :-)
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on June 01, 2005, 07:44:30 PM
Players posting would not happen if Dzik was there.

Then again if Dzik was still at Cabrini the word compete would not be mentioned.  It would be replaced by the word WIN, and they would.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Cavs33 on June 01, 2005, 11:31:23 PM
I love John Dzik, but that does not mean someone else can't come in and get the job done. Cabrini Basketball is going to build on Dzik's hall of fame foundation, not rebuild a program. Also, I would like to know your reasoning behind why players would not post if Dzik was there (plus who said i was a player)?
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on June 05, 2005, 09:43:04 PM
You're correct that Cabrini basketball can be built on.  However, that being said there are not very many coaches at ANY level that can coach with John Dzik.  When I played at Cabrini we played teams that were ranked number 1 in Division II, Division III, and NAIA at some point in the season, and took them to the final minutes when talent wise we had no business being in any of those games.

As recently as the year the team went to the sweet sixteen.  They had no business being in the game with William Paterson.  William Paterson had way more talent and athletic ability.  But Dzik was the one who managed the clock and prepared them to pull off the upset.

I wish the new coach luck because he has BIG shoes to fill.  But I don't think Cabrini is lucky enough to have hired a coach that can x and o with John Dzik.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Cavs33 on June 11, 2005, 12:10:26 PM
I think we both agree that Dzik is one of the best in the business, but at the same time I think it's important that our alumni stands behind our team and supports the new coaching staff and current players.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on June 11, 2005, 08:25:57 PM
Yout current coach, who is just an innocent bystander in this situation, was hired by the administration who treated a hall of fame coach without the respect he is due.  Additionally, the administration has shown it does not care about the alumni when they chose to disregarded the feelings of the alumni when the alumni sent letters to them to ask them to reconsider their decision.  Which they didn't.  The current administration has done nothing for me and I will not support an institution that treated a legend poorly, in my opinion.

You must understand that when I attended Cabrini it was much smaller and more of a family atmosphere, and John Dzik was a father figure to me and many other Cabrini athletes.  So, my question to you is, would you support an institution that treated your father in such a way?

Go Piedmont!
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 12, 2005, 03:41:45 PM
33, you are asking an awful lot for the alumni to stand behind something they fought bitterly (and I do not use this word accidentally) to keep from happening.

Sometimes alumni loyalty is to the institution. But if one man is so emblematic of the institution to former athletes as John Dzik was, you cannot expect that loyalty to transfer over -- not when that person was mistreated on his way out the door.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Cavs33 on June 12, 2005, 08:43:23 PM
I totally agree that Coach Dzik was mistreated and the administration made a mistake. Coach Dzik said at our last game he will always bleed blue and white. I can promise you Coach Dzik will follow Cabrini basketball next year, and will be rooting for us, and I'm sure he would want you to as well (not for the administration, but for the players he brought in). If it wasnt for him, most of us wouldnt be here anwyway. But at the same time we have a new coach now, many returning players, and we will continue to uphold the Cabrini tradition. Hopefully our alumni will support its current team, even if you dont like the administration, you were in our place at one time and you wanted alumni support at your games. We are preparing for a season right now, and were going to move on and play for a championship, with or without alumni support.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on June 13, 2005, 07:05:04 PM
Actually Cavs33 we went to the NAIA final 32 both years I was there and I don't believe any of us cared if the alumni supported us or not.

I'm glad you're happy there paying almost Harvard tuition.  Best of luck this season, but I can not and will not support the school.  And if you think its just me go to www.keepjohndzik.com and see how many alumni pulled their support.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on June 14, 2005, 01:21:13 PM
This was just a terrible travesty.  A nationally-recognized program was tarnished, a super coach taken from his team, an alumni base snubbed, and a great man sent away without any reason given and not so much as a thank you.

Someone had to coach the team next year.  They found a young guy with some experience as an assistant to coach the team as a part-timer.  History will tell if this was a good decidion, but the way this was handled does not bode well for the future of a once-proud program.

Additionally, the posting of this job as a part-time position signifies the college's reduction in support for athletics in general and men's basketball in particular.  Part-time coaches traditionally have a hard time winning in this region and it's a terrible lack of respect for the guys who play to haev thier efforts down-graded to the same resepct and suport that a club or activity on campus gets.

Good luck to you young man, but I won't support a college that thinks it is moral, ethical, or even just appropriate to treat people this way.

(Message edited by cc on June 14, 2005)
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Cavs33 on July 20, 2005, 11:16:59 PM
Heatlee, i understand what your saying, and obviously i know about the website, i was at the last game, i even have a tshirt

Coach C, about the part time coaching position, coach dzik was a part time coach, he had another job at the school mainly in admissions, atletic director, and ending as special assistant to athletic advancement to the president, those jobs was his full time position, the basketball aspect and coaching was always part time,  so everything you said doesnt make sense reagrding the part time position, the reduction, lack of support of the college, having a hard time winning, and campus support is wrong because nothing has changed, dzik was a part time coach and he won, so it can be done
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 20, 2005, 11:50:06 PM
There's a difference between being a part-time coach/full-time employee of the school and being a part-time coach who has to earn his or her rent money off campus. Surely you recognize that.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Cavs33 on July 22, 2005, 01:32:43 AM
Yes I do recognize that, but to say that "the posting of this job as a part-time position signifies the college's reduction in support for athletics in general and men's basketball" is just a flat out wrong statement, the job was part time for the last 25 years so i do not see a reduction anywhere
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 22, 2005, 01:34:04 AM
Then you are not LOOKING, son. Time on campus for the coach is reduced. Is that not going to affect the program? You're blind if you don't see it.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Cavs33 on July 23, 2005, 01:22:30 AM
Final Statement: I love coach Dzik and I wish him the best, if it wasnt for him I wouldnt be at Cabrini today, he gave me a second chance that many coaches would not have done, I will respect him for the rest of my life, he is a great person and coach and the main reason I went to Cabrini, he didnt deserve what happen to him, but at the same time, I am going to support the new coach, my teammates, and my school.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on August 02, 2005, 02:09:43 PM
Cavs33 -

You embarrass me.  I thought you of all people would understand.  If you need to talk to someone becasue you are having a problem during the off season, it is a heck of a lot easier to talk to your head coach IF HE IS ON CAMPUS.  Dzik was always there and believe me he was a full-time head coach.  

Are you going to call a part itme coach at the golf course he is working at or the insurance agency he works for or the high school he teaches at?  Wouldn't it be better for all involved if the head coach was on campus all week all year?  Wouldn't it be better if he was at the meetings with administrators and faculty?

I can tell you from hard experience that the full-time coaches generally do better with recruiting, winning and especially graduating student athletes.  Part time coaches can do a good job, but it is MUCH harder for them to do it on a consisten basis.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on August 03, 2005, 05:05:48 PM
I concur with everything that Coach C said.  Check out the best D III programs in any sport, and more than likely their coaches will be FULL-TIME, not part-time.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on August 03, 2005, 05:10:11 PM
Let me restate myself. I concur with everything Coach C said about part-time coaches.  I don't think anyone embarrassed themselves.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 03, 2005, 09:02:01 PM
That's good, because he didn't actually say anyone embarrassed himself.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Cavs33 on August 03, 2005, 10:03:11 PM
Here's my understanding..... a full time coach is a coach whose only job is to coach a basketball team from 9am - 5pm everyday and his salary represents that (example is jay wright and phil martelli whose only responsibility is to coach basketball). Yes Coach Dzik was a full time employee of the school but his main job was not basketball. He was a part time basketball coach (who put in full time hours). And yes I obviously agree that time on campus is reduced if your not a full time employee of the school. And yes I agree it is easier to win as a coach and it is a better situation for all involved if you are a full time employee. My only arguement is that the school only made a coaching change and did not make any reductions to the program. I ask you a question, what should the school do after getting rid of Dzik, hire the best possible basketball coach who is already an employee at the school just so they can have a full time exployee of the school as their coach, or should they go out and find the best possible coach available for their part time position?
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 04, 2005, 12:59:12 AM
NEITHER. They should have a full-time position. Don't fool yourself -- at many schools the men's basketball coach wears another hat, perhaps teaching courses, a facilities manager, assistant athletic director or athletic director. That is far better than having a coach who is only around some of the time.

Not having a coach on campus full-time is indeed a reduction to the program.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on August 04, 2005, 03:59:05 PM
Cavs33 -

It's really unusual for a program that is as successful as Cabrini has been to go from a coach who is a full-time employee to a coach who is a part-timer. But then the whole situation was far more than unusual.

Indeed, the trend is otherwise.  Most colleges are trying to improve (both on the flor and in the classroom) by finding ways for coaches to be on campus all the tiem to help mentor student athletes.

In the old days it was likely that the head coach would also be a phys ed teacher or an admissions counselor.  More recently, colleges have gotten more and more creative in how thye employ coaches on campus.

And you are kidding yourself if you think that Phil Martelli or Jay Wright just coach basketball.  I know those guys and they would KILL to just coach rather than attend fundraisers and coffee klatches and meetings and planning sessions.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Cavs33 on August 04, 2005, 07:27:14 PM
Yes I know one very well, and attending fundraisers, coffee clatches, meetings, and planning sessions are all basketball related functions. That is a much different obligation than being an athletic director. Can you imagaine if Jay Wright was also the athletic director at Villanova?
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on August 04, 2005, 09:36:38 PM
If a coach is at a successful Division III program and is a full-time employee of the college, be it in any position, AD or SID, their main job is to COACH basketball.  When it is basketball season they are the basketball coach who is the AD or SID, not the AD or SID who is the basketball coach.

To be peerfectly honest many AD's have GREAT secretaries who are at times are the people who run the show.  That enables them to coach and be successful.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on August 05, 2005, 12:35:21 AM
Cavs33 -

Surely you are not comparing the being the AD at Villanova, with beind the AD at Cabrini.  Villanova has nearly twice as many sports, about 40 times the athletic budget, very different regulatory issues, etc.  You simply can't even begin to compare a major D1 athletic program to a small, if respectable D3 program that doesn't even have football or baseball.

Your definition of 'basketball-related' is also a stretch.

Bottom line is that Cabrini has made a decision that basketball, basketball players and athletics in general are not as important at the school as it used to be.  It's a shame given what had been built there over the last 20 years or so, but every school has to review its priorities now and then.

It's not like Cabrini is going to become Bard overnight, but getting back to the Sweet 16 doesn't seem too likely unless a new direction is taken.

I am not saying ANYTHING negative about the players in the program, but it is hard to win consistently when you dont have strong support from the campus and administration.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Cavs33 on August 05, 2005, 03:14:12 PM
No I am not comparing Villanova and Cabrini but my point is, the job of the head basketball coach of Villanova is 100% basketball related (fundraising for the basketball team is still a basketball related function). He does not have to worry about another job at the college and how it interfers with his coaching. The head basketball coach at Cabrini has to coach basketball and also has to be an athletic director. Cabrini doesn't pay their coaches enogh money to just coach and not have another job. Therefore, Villanova's head coaching position is a full time basketball coach. Cabrini's basketball coach is a part time basketball coach and full time athletic director (yes he is a full time employee of the school but not a full time basketball coach). Thats the best I can do to explain my point.

I agree that a coach that is a full time employee of the college is the best possible situation for everyone involved, and I hope the current coach can get a full time position on campus. I apoligize but I just do not see how a coaching change symbolizes how basketball isnt as important to the school as it used to be.  

I will reiterate myself again, I love Coach Dzik and he is a special person and I do not agree with how he was treated by the school, but because of that whole situation I do not feel the college has made the basketball program seem less important.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on August 05, 2005, 08:02:24 PM
You have a rookie, meaning first year as a head coach, who is on campus part-time.  You had a veteran coach with close to 500 wins and considered by many to be one of the top coaches in Division III with 4 NAIA tournament appearances in a row and numerous NCAA tournament appearances, and on campus full-time.

Isn't the answer obvious that men's basketball is not a priority.  You bring in a rookie and make him part-time.  You are not putting a priority on the succes of the men's basketball team.

How many Carbini coaches are on campus?  One or two, if their lucky.  Compare that to FDU-Florham which is also Division III who including assistant coaches has 12 on campus.  That is a school that supports athletics.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Cavs33 on August 08, 2005, 01:18:43 AM
You also must take into consideration jobs available on campus when hiring a new coach, nobody knows if there are any positions available to make the coach full time or even if he wants to be full time. I dont think its fair for anyone to judge when they dont know the facts.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2005, 01:36:07 AM
"You also must take into consideration jobs available on campus"

Oddly enough, a school that cares about basketball does this as a matter of course and makes sure it has the position available.  

"or even if he wants to be full time"

I hope you're not saying he doesn't want to be full time. I think most coaches have more dedication than that.

I don't think you're going to win this argument. While it's good that someone is still willing to spin the positive side for Cabrini, it's just spin. There aren't any real positives here.

I wish the new coach luck. He's stepping into a situation where the deck is stacked against him.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Cavs33 on August 08, 2005, 11:38:03 AM
Possible situation:

(a) Have an off campus job, make double the salary of the full time position cabrini is offering, and coach basketball

(b) Have an on campus job, make half your current salary, and coach basketball

Would you choose to be on full time on campus for half the salary when you can still coach the basketball team?
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Cavs33 on August 08, 2005, 11:40:16 AM
NEW POSITION AVAILABLE IN CABRINI ATHLETIC OFFICE:

CABRINI IS NOW TAKING APPLICATIONS FOR A FULL TIME SPORTS INFORMATION DIRECTOR.  

MAYBE THE NEW COACH WILL BE FULL TIME AFTER ALL
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2005, 04:05:32 PM
Cavs, re your 11:38 post, then that person shouldn't be a head coach at the college level. The position requires more than that.
Title: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on August 08, 2005, 04:36:49 PM
Cavs33 -

I am not saying anything about the guy coaching the team.  Heck, I remember him as a player and thought he was a good kid.  The USMMA teams always did well while he was there.  

What I am saying is that a great carpenter is only as good as his tools and materials.  You guys are good tools.  Very good tools.  The materials that Cabrini gives the man to work with are another story entirely.  You don't have a full tiem head coach.  You dont have an administration committedd to winning.  You don't have someone on campus during the week to represent your interests as a whole to the administration.  You don't have a full time guy with 5 part time guys out recruiting and scouting.  

Heck, even other teams in the middling conference you are in have more than Cabrini has now.  

It's sad.  Very sad.  As a guy who was there the day the conference was founded, I am very disappointed that one of the founding members has chosen to LESSEN its support of college athletics.  The players and their families, the alumni annd the students deserve FAR better.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on October 27, 2005, 01:30:32 PM
Lets get things started in here.
Can anyone in the PAC beat Alvernia this year?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on October 28, 2005, 10:22:50 PM
hoopzwiz -

My guess is that the fight at the top of this league could be pretty tight this year.  Alvernia is the team to beat, but GMC has experience despite losing Gaye.  Neumann would seem to be next.  Eastern will be improved.  Cabrini is anyone's guess.  After that, the league gets weak fast.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on October 29, 2005, 12:01:36 PM
I agree but don't count out Wesley, very athletic team with a new coach.  They should be as talented as anyone.  Marywood will also be even more improved over last year.  That coach is doing a good job.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on October 30, 2005, 11:49:36 PM
hoopzwiz -

Wesley is always interesting becasue they are able to get pretty much anyone in and it's a long ride fro everyone in the league to make down there.  First year head coaches tend to struggle a bit though.  Marywood, well 11-15 is a good place to work from, and the program has progressed in the last few years.  The guard play is pretty good, but I am not sure they have the depth or athleticism to compete for the PAC title.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on November 02, 2005, 07:11:45 PM
I heard Gwynedd has another huge kid in to take the place of Gaye.  Any info out there?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on November 02, 2005, 09:33:03 PM
Gaye was way more than just a huge kid.  He had good hands and really could run the floor.  Over his career he developed a solid defensive game.  Anyone that GMC gets in will likely pale in comparison.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on November 08, 2005, 12:27:33 PM
Pre-season rankings are out:
1. Alvernia
2. Gwynedd
3. Eastern
4. Wesley
5. Misericordia
6. Cabrini
7. Neumann
8. Marywood
9. Arcadia
10. Immaculata

Alvernia is the clear favorite with Gwynedd right behind. 
Should be interesting 3 thru 8.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on November 08, 2005, 10:16:49 PM
I am pretty sure that those represent the highest ever pre-season rankings for Eastern and Wesley, as well as the lowest for Cabrini.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on November 09, 2005, 11:47:53 AM
Coach C,
You might be right about those rankings but they could be correct.  Wesley might be the best team by the end of the year.  One Philadelphia insider told me that all the Philly schools have the Wesley game circled on their schedules.
Cabrini is probably underrated based on the coaching change.  They'll be right in the mix as usual.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on November 10, 2005, 01:32:54 AM
hoopzwiz -

I have not herd the same thing about Wesley.  The distance for many of the schools is an issue and they alwyas play well down in Dover.  Cabrini has similar talent back.  The question is how that talent plays under a new regime and in a new system. 

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Moon Man on November 20, 2005, 10:42:53 PM
There's all this talk about Wesley, Cabrini, GMC, and Cabrini, but no one has mentioned Eastern. I don't understand!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Moon Man on November 20, 2005, 10:43:58 PM
I'm sorry...Wesley, Cabrini, Alvernia, and GMC.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2005, 12:52:05 AM
Quote from: Moon Man on November 20, 2005, 10:42:53 PM
There's all this talk about Wesley, Cabrini, GMC, and Cabrini, but no one has mentioned Eastern. I don't understand!

Perhaps because the person who brought up Eastern is too chicken to show his profile and quit the board immediately.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on November 21, 2005, 01:00:50 PM
4-14 conference record after the opening weekend and it wasn't exactly top 25 competition.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on November 23, 2005, 02:48:29 PM
This is the most boring chat room in America.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on November 23, 2005, 06:04:04 PM
Perhaps the reason why no one talks about Eastern is because they only beat Immaculata,  a first year program, by 1.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on November 26, 2005, 09:48:37 AM
heatlee -

Did you catch the game?
  What does Immac have?

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on November 27, 2005, 09:08:44 AM
Coach C,

I just saw the score in the paper.  Generally first year programs aren't that competitive.  Either they're going to be okay, Eastern is going to have a tough year, or it was just a bad night for the Eagles.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: d3isbest on November 28, 2005, 12:43:41 AM
Heatlee,

We're all getting a kick out of your comments.  Please, don't stop.  I didn't stop laughing for 10 minutes after reading this last statement of yours.

"Perhaps the reason why no one talks about Eastern is because they only beat Immaculata,  a first year program, by 1. "

Maybe before you let slip another foolish thing, you'll think first.  For everyone else, the game at Immaculata was their first home game as well as their first PAC game.  They could have been competitive with any group of 10-15.  However, they are a much better team than they get credit for.  I don't foresee them racing to the last place in the PAC, like Marywood might (especially if you grade on class).  While Immac. won't win the conference this year, or the next, they will be in a lot of games to the end and should beat some of the better PAC teams.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on November 28, 2005, 07:03:16 AM
d3isbest -

Ok so maybe they were all hyped for the first game in program history and they were up becasue they had new uniforms.  Still heatlee is right.  most first year preograms are not competitive. 

Since you seem to have some knowledge of the situation, maybe you can answer my question.

What do the Mighty Macs have?

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: d3isbest on November 28, 2005, 03:36:27 PM
Coach C,

True, true.  Most first year programs aren't competitive, and comparing the Macs to EU, a team that as of yet hasn't proven itself to be a top program, is tough to determine how competitive they will be.

What do the Mighty Macs have?  Well, it will become evident soon that they are well coached, as Chadwin knows his x's and o's.  I can't wait to see how he does against the other new coach in the conference.  Also, they have some nice transfer players (meaning experience), the team plays tough (at least they did in their game against EU), and they have something to prove.  I see them finishing in the bottom half of the PAC, but don't think they will be at the 10 spot.

However, they need a conference win soon, or they might lose some steam for the maiden season.

By the way, Eastern plays at Lehigh tomorrow night.  Look for a hard-fought game with the onlookers getting sore necks from all the trips down the court that each team makes.

Pat Coleman,

You were right on with your assessment of the part-time vs. full-time thing at Cabrini.  The "player" arguing against you just doesn't, and won't, understand.  What do you expect from an 18-year-old who thinks the new situation is the same as it was with Dzik?  Those Cabrini guys never were too bright, anyway.  And they didn't get any smarter when Dzik left.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on December 01, 2005, 04:54:32 PM
d3 -

Chadwin knows his x's and o's and Macciocia seems to as well. 

Who do you see as a win on the horizon for the Macs?

Eastern-Lehigh was not competitive. 

On the Cabrini issue, the young man was wrong.  That doesn't mean his isn't smart. 
Title: Webcasting
Post by: Jon on December 01, 2005, 09:10:56 PM
Bugs in the webcasting setup at Alvernia have been exterminated.  A text play-by-play for all home games will be available on the following page:

http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/xlive.htm

Next game on the home schedule is this Saturday afternoon (12/3) when Wesley College pays its annual visit to Reading.

I would encourage other PAC schools to post a link to other webcasting options here as well.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: d3isbest on December 01, 2005, 10:25:46 PM
Coach C,

I really enjoyed seeing your Fine Arts pic in the paper.

Back to basketball, you must really do a lot of traveling to see all the games.  Please, tell me what the score was in the EU-Lehigh game with 14 minutes left, since you were there.

. . . we'll be waiting.

Also, I would like to know how many games of Macciocca's and/or Chadwin's you have seen to make the statement that either of them know their x's and o's.

The Macs could really beat any team in the PAC (although I see them having a lot of problems with Alvernia).  A win on the horizon for them?  They could get a few wins right away with Arcadia, Rowan, Gwynedd-Mercy, or Williamson Trade.  I saw GMC v Rowan and both look like they are going to have a rough year with the personnel that they have (don't have in GMC's case).

"d3 -

Chadwin knows his x's and o's and Macciocia seems to as well. 

Who do you see as a win on the horizon for the Macs?

Eastern-Lehigh was not competitive. 

On the Cabrini issue, the young man was wrong.  That doesn't mean his isn't smart."
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on December 02, 2005, 03:50:04 PM
d3 -

Glad to be able to give you some enjoyment.  Since you seem to know who I am, give me a call.  the cell is always on.

Acutully the night of Eastern-Lehigh I was 1000 miles south of there taking in a South region game, but my former roommate coaches at Lehigh and was in the house.

Since neither coach has too many games under his belt you might tell me ho many games YOU saw to say that about Chadwin.  Both guys are well-regarded by other men they have coached with.  Coach M also has my respect for how he handles his players.

Rowan is young and will likely struggle this year in the NJAC, but i think both then and GMC are better than what I have heard about Immaculata.  Sorry, I don't count wins over Williamson except on a JV schedule.  Who are the Macs transfers? 

Talk to you soon!

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: d3isbest on December 03, 2005, 04:57:34 PM
Coach C,

I'm trying to figure out why you are dodging my question - what was the score with 14 minutes left in the game of EU v Lehigh?  Your post brough up another one:  who is your former roommate, who you say coaches at Lehigh?  If he coaches there and said it wasn't competitive, he was obviously not at the game.  Quit slipping my questions like a bad screen.

To make a statement about Chadwin, I don't need to see him much.  I've seen him plenty when he coached for GMC, and he did a lot of the x's and o's for Coach Baron (this is not a cut on Coach Baron, who does a fine job himself).  However, I did see him against EU at Immac.

Who are the "other men" who have coached with Macciocca who regard him?  I don't question that there are "other men" who regard him, but I question your sources, since you seem to make some unfounded and unspecific statements with little backup.  I'll understand if you don't want to respond.

I will agree with you on how Coach M handles his players, so far, but the night is young.

Immaculata has their player information on their website, so I'll direct you there.

Let's wait to see how Immaculata does against the PAC and Chadwin's former employer before one of us comes out correct on this one.  However, you need to see all three teams (Rowan, Immac., and GMC) rather than trust your sources, as "they" seem to be selling you a bill of goods.

By the way, I don't need to call you on your cell.  When (IF) you come to a game of EU's this year, ask one of the players or coaches who I am and they will direct you to me.

"d3 -

Glad to be able to give you some enjoyment.  Since you seem to know who I am, give me a call.  the cell is always on.

Acutully the night of Eastern-Lehigh I was 1000 miles south of there taking in a South region game, but my former roommate coaches at Lehigh and was in the house.

Since neither coach has too many games under his belt you might tell me ho many games YOU saw to say that about Chadwin.  Both guys are well-regarded by other men they have coached with.  Coach M also has my respect for how he handles his players.

Rowan is young and will likely struggle this year in the NJAC, but i think both then and GMC are better than what I have heard about Immaculata.  Sorry, I don't count wins over Williamson except on a JV schedule.  Who are the Macs transfers? 

Talk to you soon!

C
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Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on December 04, 2005, 10:30:33 AM
Chad -

I am not dodging your question - it's just not very important in the scheme of things.  It was a two point game according to the play by play score.   After that every player in a uniform got in the game.  Are games where everyone plays usually competitive?

I have a lot of respect for Coach Nadelhoffer and what he has done at Eastern.  He has really done a nice job there.  I have not met you and I am not sure how you know me, but next time you see me, why don't you say hello.  There are 2-3 interesting games left on Eastern's schedule from a quasi-national perspective, so you may see me there.   

As for my travel schedule - I am on the road about 1 week a month plus some other games.  I don't see as many as i did a few years ago, but I see 2 or so a week.  Why aren't you on the staff anymore?

As for the Lehigh guy, let's not go there, but I never said he coached hoops.  And if you know my background, you should be able to figure out who Coach M and I know in common.

Enjoy!

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 04, 2005, 12:58:49 PM
There's a reason why games are 40 minutes long, d3isbest. Most of us left the realm of 26-minute games when we left sixth grade.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: d3isbest on December 04, 2005, 01:13:29 PM
Pat,

The game was obviously longer than 26 minutes, however, it was clear that Coach C didn't go to the game.  The point is not that the game was close at the 26 minute mark, but that it was competitive for most of the game.  The fact is the game of EU v Lehigh was competitive and it didn't get away from EU until there was about 7-8 minutes left.  And the last few players on Lehigh's roster didn't get in the game until the last couple of minutes.  It's interesting that EU shot about 20% for the game on few forced shots and still hung in there until that time.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: d3isbest on December 04, 2005, 03:05:58 PM
Coach C,

Please e-mail me on my address listed under my profile.  I'd like to talk to you.  If you e-mail me I will give you my cell phone number so you can call me.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on December 06, 2005, 11:53:56 AM
Your all ridiculous.
Why do people take things so personaly?
Can't we all just get along and talk some hoops?
I feel like I'm reading the script from some daytime soap opera.
Here's a question for everyone:
Can anyone beat Alvernia?  By the looks of the league scores so far it doesn't seem like it. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on December 06, 2005, 01:12:34 PM
Hoopzhiz -

Only have seen Alvernia on tape, but they sure look pretty darn stout.  Could be their league to lose.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 06, 2005, 07:47:53 PM
Coach C,

Out of curiosity, which Vern tape did you catch? The Crusaders didn't exactly hit the ground running in the season opener vs. Penn St. Berks, but the wins since have been fairly impressive.  Even the loss, at Lafayette (speaking of competitive DI/DIII games) was a great team effort.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 17, 2005, 10:51:55 AM
Looks like the deep freeze has hit the PAC Chat Line. 

It's Alumni Day at the Vern with a noon tip-off in the Maroon/Golf Alumni Game followed by the Alvernia/Albright game at 2:00 p.m.

Follow the game action (of the 2:00 game) on the Alvernia website.

http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/xlive.htm
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on December 24, 2005, 08:02:30 AM
PAC story in the Notables section.  What a terrible situation for all involved.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 13, 2006, 06:55:50 PM
Alvernia returns to the PEC to host Arcadia on Saturday.  As always, play-by-play will be posted live on the Alvernia College website.

http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/xlive.htm

The Crusaders went 4-1 on the five game "road trip" including a pair of 30-point wins (over Curry and Chestnut Hill) in Radisson Invitational, hosted by the University of Scranton.  Senior forward Zach Straining became the 18th Crusader to reach 1,000 career points on a dunk in the second half of the win over Chestnut Hill.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: rollingthunda on January 23, 2006, 11:14:54 AM
And I thought the MAC Commonwealth room was dead.  Congrats to Straining and his 1,000th a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 23, 2006, 04:17:03 PM
Yeah -  This is not a strong room.  It's a shame.  Some of these teams have had some success over the years.  SOme are having some right now!

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 24, 2006, 09:48:42 AM
Ok - Can ANYONE explain the Cabrini-Neumann score?  I would ahve thought Neumann to be a lock for that one after the Alvernia win.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on January 24, 2006, 11:49:16 AM
Me too.  The entire league seems wacky. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 24, 2006, 02:13:31 PM
Congrats to Immaculata on its first home, conference and D3 win last night.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: rollingthunda on January 24, 2006, 03:09:42 PM
Quote from: Coach C on January 23, 2006, 04:17:03 PM
Yeah -  This is not a strong room.  It's a shame.  Some of these teams have had some success over the years.  SOme are having some right now!

Aside from Alvernia, who else would you classify as having success right now?  All of these teams are getting their wins against each other, and the strength of this conference is subpar to say the least.  Even Alvernia is only 4-3 outside of the conference.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 24, 2006, 04:57:39 PM
Alvernia was the one i was thinking of, though I was also noting that Eastern is showing more strength than in prior years.  Plus the Marywood- Wilkes debacle.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: E-E-E-E.UNIT on January 30, 2006, 12:11:13 PM

Eastern is looking strong.They have won a few in a row and looking better and better with each win.They are taking a while, it seems, to work themselves into a lather.  Tough game coming up with Alvernia    Good luck fellas.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: rollingthunda on January 31, 2006, 03:35:08 PM
They may be looking stronger each game, but who have they played (save Lehigh)?  Their schedule has the strength of a wet noodle.  Alvernia would be a pretty solid win, but I don't see that happening.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: E-E-E-E.UNIT on February 01, 2006, 09:08:02 AM
Eastern lost a tough one at Alvernia, but showed that they can compete with the top teams in the PAC. 

Rollingthunda, did you see the Eastern-Alvernia game? Eastern was a few bad calls away from winning the game.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: E-E-E-E.UNIT on February 01, 2006, 09:22:44 AM
Unless something unfortunate happens to Alvernia they will win the league but besides them who benifits more with a home playoff game? From 2 to 8 this conference has the potiential to change every week ( every game even). Who benifits the most from hosting a playoff game ?  Is There a Gym in the Pac that provides a dynamic home court advantage. Misericordia is probably the most obvious answer because of the distance. I'm intreasted to here from coach C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 01, 2006, 09:34:52 AM
Well, you would think that if Miseri's gym gave a team an edge due to the distance, then Marywood's would as well.  That does not seem to be the case.  I know that the depth behind the baskets at Miseri is somewhat of a challenge for visiting teams.

Neumann is always a tough place to play becasue it's usually loud and crowded.  it's often hard to communicate with players there.  Eastern can also get pretty loud.  Wesley is tough becasue it seems like a long drive.  Alvernia and Cabrini never seemed to have much of a home court advantage despite playing well.  I think it was always more a fucntion of talent than where they were playing.  The rest of the places are pretty neutral.

C
Title: HOME COURT ADVANTAGE
Post by: E-E-E-E.UNIT on February 01, 2006, 09:47:55 AM
This may help to answer my Question
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: E-E-E-E.UNIT on February 01, 2006, 09:56:04 AM
Thanks for the response Coach C

How do you think the playoff picture will map out in the end 1-8 ?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 01, 2006, 11:34:51 AM
Way too early to tell.  Each of these teams has to play each other again and they can all pretty much beat  up on one another most nights.  1. Alvernia 2-8. the rest  PAC champ gets the bid, no pool C is possible.

C
Title: Re: HOME COURT ADVANTAGE
Post by: Coach C on February 01, 2006, 11:35:44 AM
Might help to spell the names of the shcools correctly.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 01, 2006, 04:19:41 PM
Love the late PAC buzz.  The next reply will be #90 and put The PAC Chat Line a mere 710 replies behind the Capital Conference (I'm assuming someone will post #800 there as I'm typing this).

All sarcasm aside, before any prognosticators post an 8-team PAC Championship bracket, I believe the online sport code indicates six teams will make the post season for Men's Basketball.

Post away...#100 here we come!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 01, 2006, 08:27:01 PM
It's a 6 team bracket where #1 and 2 have a bye on the first night.  The the lowest remaining seed then goes to #1 and the other to #2.  The highest remaining seed host the championship.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: E-E-E-E.UNIT on February 01, 2006, 11:11:38 PM
Eastern played very well tonight agianst Marywood.  Eastern Had no problem working up a lather tonight. They played tough from begining to end.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: jmack on February 02, 2006, 10:17:01 PM
Just wanted to make an announcement to all those who we might have missed-- The Men's Basketball Alumni of Cabrini are holding their annual Alumni Basketball game this Saturday at 1PM at Eastern University.  For more details, please see our site http://www.cavsalumni.com for more information.  Coach Dzik will be joining us on Saturday, as will many former Cabrini basketball players.   All are welcome.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: ayeyesabum on February 03, 2006, 12:41:36 AM
First time poster here, so please give me a break if I say something off-kilter.  I have followed d3hoops for a while (years), but want to give some input to the PAC lineup, as it is finally getting interesting to some of us who have watched our team(s) sit at the bottom for so long.

Here's my go at the regular season rankings in the PAC:
1.  Alvernia
2.  EU
3.  Arcadia
4.  Wesley
5.  Neumann
6.  Cabrini

I'd like to hear from some of you.  This site is wayy too boring.

Coach C, are you going to wait until the end of the regular season to predict the regular season final 6?  Sure everybody has to play each other, isn't that the way it goes during conference time?

On a different note, I think people should consider Gwynedd's gym as one of the best in the PAC.  Think about it.  Home gym means advantage - who has the advantage the most?  If you don't think GMC as one of the top, you haven't been there when the conference is tight, because their fans are so loud behind the benches that it must be tough to talk to the team.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: E-E-E-E.UNIT on February 03, 2006, 09:27:37 AM
Ok heres my top six:

1)  Alvernia- Clearly the top team in the pac, However, very very beatable by a a couple of teams in the PAC

2)  Eastern- Ok oviously im biased but still i dont think anyone would argue that eastern belongs here and could easily be team 1B to Avernia's 1A

3)  Arcadia- they have been tough in the Pac this year, almost coming out of no where but the have proved to be a tough match up for many teams in the PAC

4)  Neumann- This is the Dr.  Jeckel and Mr. Hide team of the PAC. Sometimes they really look good ( at home especially) and then some games they look terriable(lost at Cabrini).  I think that coming down the stretch that they will win some of these dog fights that they seem to play in all the time ( hopefully not starting on Sat.) They need a win soon with losing 2 straight including what had to be a very disappointing L to Immaculata.

5)  Wesley- this team could easily be at both the 3 and 4 spots. Everyone seems to know about Rashawn Johnson But no one is talking about this kid Nick Minor(Senior) who has put some nice games together. If Johnson and Minor can be more aggressive Late in games with the schedule they have left they could build some momentum going into the PAC playoffs.

6) Gwynedd or Cabrini-  two Hard to pick between the two. Gwynedd has the toughest schedule remaining of the two but Cabrini has seemed to have transformed their historic "swagger" into frustration under the new leadership.  If Cabrini can find the old cockyness that put them over the top in the past then look out in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: E-E-E-E.UNIT on February 03, 2006, 09:32:40 AM
Having the fans right above you does give Gwynedd an intresting dynamic to their gym but Immaculata, Neumann, and Eastern have the Loudest Fans by far
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: E-E-E-E.UNIT on February 03, 2006, 09:33:32 AM
Wesley's fans are great as well
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: E-E-E-E.UNIT on February 03, 2006, 09:34:44 AM
coach c please give this room some life
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cavs8864 on February 03, 2006, 10:15:33 AM
  Is the PAC conference starting to become dilluted?

Cabrini usually sets the standard for the PAC yet without Dzik the credibility of the conference seems to have diminished slightly?

What will happen next?  Will Cabrini set a new standard or will the conference suffer temporarily.  Who is going to be the new spokesman for the PAC when times are tough? 

Please--- all PAC schools need to come together and try to plan their future.... look at this chat board for sake!....  Please realize how fragile this conference is.. yet historically because of great coaches has been put on the map with the performance of committed athletes.

Thank God for those woman too!   Look at the administration of some of the PAC schools.... Are they truly committed to the welfare of the student athlete in these tough times...  the all around student as the dIII philosophy indicates.  Perhaps some of us need to question the intergrity of the administration and step up before it is too late..

I don't want the league to turn into intramural squads... There were some great competitive games with Cabrini, Eastern and Allentown back in the days the PAC was created.   DI quality and academic excellence.  Where are we headed?



Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cavs8864 on February 03, 2006, 10:29:44 AM

Remember for the sake of the students we need to have committment by someone or anyone to take sports to a competitive level in the PAC..... then the actions will speak louder than the words.

Imagine if a PAC team could win a National Title.........

The PAC needs someone to step up real big.... even if they don't get paid for it..... those students are out there putting their necks on the line each night and need guidance and committment from their school administration and staff.  LETS DO SOMETHING....
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: rollingthunda on February 03, 2006, 11:31:15 AM
Thats called hitting the nail on the head.  A lot of these schools need some serious turnarounds before any of their hoops programs have a chance to win anything.  Not an easy process though.

PAC room finally hits the century mark.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2006, 12:01:26 PM
D-I quality? Wow, talk about delusional.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: ayeyesabum on February 03, 2006, 01:36:11 PM
Did someone say something about D1 quality?  I would have to agree with Coleman that such an idea is delusional.

I do agree with some of what cavs said.  I think the point being made by cavs is that this conference is weak.  It definitely is.  However, I don't think that anyone can honestly say that this conference has been strong for a long time.  Example:  when is the last time we saw more than one PAC team ranked in the Top 25?  When is the last time we have had 2 or more teams make it to the tourney and then go past their first game?  I might be wrong, but I doubt the last question has ever occurred.

Just having one good team in the conference doesn't make it a good conference.  Gwynedd was good with Badou, but never great.  They needed a few things to make it there:  a dominating PG, Badou needed to be able to play D, and a better supporting staff.  Also, the Cavs were good, maybe great in their best runs, but who else was there with them?

Right now the conference needs some work.  When and if Alvernia gets into the tourney in March, they won't probably make it past the first weekend.  (the can only play 7-8 guys).  Plus, they won't be getting their home refs that they are so famous for, as everybody knows their schedule is weak (besides their D1 game) and they won't be given a home game.

By the way, cavs, if you think Cabrini is going somewhere with Macciocca, you are either drunk or high or both.  Macciocca doesn't recruit, is hated by his players (and parents), and might have gotten the job based on he and his family's bank statements.  Dzik deserved a better replacement - I give Coach M two years.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 03, 2006, 03:49:50 PM
The ranking question is a good one, which I cannot answer.

Two teams in the tournament has happened as recently as 2002 with PAC Champ Cabrini posting road wins over Merchant Marine and William Paterson.  Alvernia (at-large) defeated Ithaca at home and lost in the second round at Elizabethtown.  The Blue Jays advanced to the National Championship taking out Cabrini (@ Catholic) along the way.

***BEWARE, a shamless ploy to increase traffic to home site follows***

In my free time this morning I assembled a one-page matrix for the remainder of the PAC Men's Basketball schedule.  Feel free to use it as support material as debate continues about the six teams to make the PAC Championships.

http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2006/2/3/PACMB.pdf
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cavs8864 on February 03, 2006, 05:09:52 PM
Not delusional; just got your attention so I could make my point.....
DIII is not- or will ever be DI obviously....


The real heartbreaker is the passion and desire these young men and women have to compete.  Sacrificing themselves in many ways and there seems to be only the intrinsic reward for them unless superstar status is acheived or if their career is a stepping stone.

The athletes of the PAC are some of the best... but the infrastructure of the league is built upon the puppet strings of the schools with the cabinet level decision-making budget minded  etc.....

Is there not some way to put more control of the athletics into the hands of the those who have financial knowledge/ hands on in the field of team sports (AD's) and propose a body of legislation which could quantify the benefits of having a serious and winning program in a school in terms of enrollment?   We must move on ! ! ! !

Traditions are wonderful in the PAC but the fan base in only intact until graduations.  The exception being a winning dynasty and consistent winning which means recruiting and large staffs in this saturated area.   

How unfortunate to hear how Cabrini has poor leadership in all areas except for the tradition of JOHN DZIK........     

What is next for the PAC?   Cabrini seems to be raising tuition and increasing quality for academics yet only fluffing up the athletics.  Dollars spent on nice artwork and beautiful programs do not translate into winning....   ask Dzik.

What a time for a team like Eastern to capitalize while playing their best ball recently....  McTammey understands the concept well, and their coaches are on the same page... I wish they could build a new gym.


Seriously,  what the heck is happening to this conference...  the administrations (not every single one) are taking over all facets and ignoring some simple values which translate into long term benefits and winning traditions for the whole school.    I hate money...........
Afterall, these kids came to DIII for two things... 1 get and education and 2 play ball.......   How come other conferences can compete?

What disgusts me the most is when the fans, players, and coaches are in the heat of the game and an athletic director is laughing with a college president on the sidelines not even knowing what the name of the conference is or if their school is in first or last place....

GET MY DRIFT......   




Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2006, 07:37:30 PM
Quote from: cavs8864 on February 03, 2006, 05:09:52 PM
Not delusional; just got your attention so I could make my point.....

Negative. All you did was prove yourself not worthy of taking seriously and I have not read any other part of the post for that reason.

BTW, to say someone who has been on the job less than a year doesn't recruit is a little premature. He hasn't had much of a chance, has he?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cavs8864 on February 03, 2006, 11:45:25 PM
Be a realist......  Pat ....I don't paint pretty pictures but......
how can one not be negative.   I respectfully disagree with you.

Guess you do not remember the 6"10 and 7 ft guys Dzik recruited in District 19, and the teams that could beat Temple... when you were there from day one it is sad in these times.   You are telling me Bill Carr could not play in D1 and what other school has been more consistent in the PAC. Oh and Allen Jones played in the NBA as well.  Guess that is why Alvernia never won a PAC championship against Dzik.. even with Damien Hunter.
They may have gone to the final 4 but not by going through Cabrini...



If it wasn't for Cabrini and John Dzik there would not even be a PAC !
Or this chat line for that matter.....

and if you paid attention I did not say the new Cabrini coach does not recruit--- the next person's e-mail message implied that point.... open your eyes please.  I guess you are an administrator after all.

I guess its all about the money after all and DIII is a way to market a small private college with tuitions like Harvard and Yale.  Sports are just another aspect of the portfolio.

Sad part is the students who have to suffer..  This chat board is a prime example of low participation.  Maybe if those in power could do something the PAC could be saved.

God Bless John Dzik... he understood the whole picture.

  Since you won't acknowledge my negativity maybe you can acknowledge my attitude.   

  If not.. no hard feelings........ guess all this chat is a waste of time anyway!

God Bless John Dzik
God Bless John DZik
God Bless John Dzik

He could out coach and make a team work better than anyone without a pot to pee in ! ! ! !

Coach C. did say the PAC was weak at least someone understands.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 04, 2006, 08:18:00 AM
Wow - get on a plane andwake up in a new state and all of a sudden the PAC Chat room is alive!

First as to being asked for a top 6, I will say again that after Alvernia it really does not matter.  That being said, I think that E E E E E Unit has hit it pretty much right on the rest of the conference.  While I am not sure I agree on all of his analysis, the rankings are pretty close.

Now on to the D1 comment.  I have been in or near the PAC since the day it was founded at Veterans' Stadium in 1992.  It never had D1 quality.  Yes, a few D1-level players have come thought.  Hunter and  Carr could probably both have played at d1.  Carr was recruited for D2, but I don't rememebr D1.    As for academics, this conference has never been noted for academic quality, and that is just stating a face.  Yeah a lot of smart kids have played in the conference, but it's not the UAA.

The conference has slipped, but you have to look at the loss of some pretty solid ocahes as one of the reasons.  ALvernia, Cabrini, GMC, and Miseri all lost solid basketball guys in the last few years.  Yeah, GMC made a run after Newsome left, but that wasn't all about coaching Badoe was the story there.  I am not sure many people could have won a conference with 6 players.  I think this conference will continue to be in a state o flux, losing or gaining emebers for a while until things settle down.  It's sadly one of the bottom 10 in the nation at the moment.

And now the Dzik stuff.

Coach Dzik is the best coach ever to coach in this conference.  I would doubt there would be many detractors for that statement.  Coach Maccocia seems capable, but you have to remember that all first year coaches struggle.  Look at IWU a few years back.  Chapionship level talent, but it took a year or two for the team and coach to adjust to each other.  now they are back in the top 10.  Cabrini did not have naywhere near that level of talent when Dzik left, so the struggles this year have been magnified.  It's a talented team that could bit some people down the stretch.

Cabrini should not have fired Dzik.  He should have been able to continue the run.  He's happy down south, but he sould not have been foreced to make that move.  He should be coaching his kids now.  The fact that they are playing the Cabrini alumni game off- campus today tell you just how messed up that whole situation is.  It really does boggle the mind.  or break the heart.  Hard to say which.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cavs8864 on February 04, 2006, 10:16:52 AM

Thank You Coach C.

My fault to clarify myself......

As far as the  D1 reference,  I was talking about the teams Dzik ran before the birth of the pac... the tournament teams out in Iowa and the two towers from Camden who could play D1 ball...  Dade  & Sartor as well as capable others before the mention of a PAC was thought about..

District 19, NAIA, Keystone back in1988/1987/1985 1984/83/82/80

Trust me when I say some of those guys were big enough and able to compete in D1   Dzik knows too!

To this end... it is ashame what happened to the best coach in this area and maybe Cabrini college admn. will grow up and move on so the alumni game can be played on campus..


Do you smell an upset today for Cabrini vs Alvernia with Dzik in town or am I dreaming?    Cavs played Wesley very well until the stretch when they missed some free throws and a 3pt shot that would have sealed it..

Only time will tell... appreciate your response
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on February 04, 2006, 08:11:29 PM
Having played at Cabrini for two years 85-86 and 86-87, for John Dzik, I must confirm and dispute some statements.  Cabrini won the District 19 titles in 1983-1984, 1984-1985, 1985-1986, and 1986-1987.  However, we didn't win the ESAC (Eastern States Athletic Confence) title in the 86 or 87 season.  But we did win the regular season tile both years.

As far as talent during those years, it was much better because there was some scholarship money because the college was in the NAIA and the talent level of the other colleges was not as good as a whole.  Additionally, many of those players could have played at the Division I level, and when I say play I don't mean start or even see significant minutes, but many of them would have been on some Division I team.  Also, Allen Jones did not play in the NBA.  He had a very successful run with the Harlem Globetrotters.

As far as the new coach goes, he can't be compared to John Dzik, because it just isn't fair to compare a rookie head coach to a hall of fame coach.  That said, I am a huge supporter of John Dzik and will forever be embarrassed by what Cabrini did to him.  But, unless someone has intimate knowledge of the program under the new coach it is unfair to him to say he doesn't recruit.  Recruiting is more than just seeing games.  It also includes mailings, home visits and phone calls.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: E-E-E-E.UNIT on February 04, 2006, 08:51:33 PM
I think we would all agree that coach Dzik is a great coach and that he was treated unfairly by Cabrini.  At what point do we stop beating this dead horse. He is not coming back.  I think we need to focus on what the PAC has TODAY !!!. it is unfair to the cabrini players and the new coach that you people wont let this new era in the Cabrini program to proceed without bringing up Coach Dzik. What is it gonna take before you people let it go.  Yes he was a great coach, yes he was treated unfairly... BUT WHATS DONE IS DONE. ...GET OVER IT! 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 05, 2006, 09:24:23 AM
E E E E Unit -

Nice win for the Eagles last night.

i don't think anyone who was close to the Dzik situation will EVER get over the injustice that was done to him and to the players and alumni in the program with his unjust firing.

You don't get over not being welcome at your alma mater.  You don't get over having 25 years of tradition flushed down the toilet by an uncaring and short-sighted administration.

That being said, it's probably pretty boring to outsiders, so lets talk about the games.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cavs8864 on February 05, 2006, 09:53:54 AM
Firstly,   one never gets over what happened if you are an alumni of Cabrini........

Its difficult but we must move on correct..

Alvernia may be #1 in the PAC but those guys looked weak w/o their two top players and destroyed the Cavs yesterday in front of the alumni who could believe it was Cabrini basketball...

Alvernia looked so good inside running the lanes with no resistance.

Not the same cavs and the new coaches need to coach more often.

Eastern is looking great scoring anyway..... those guys have coaches with passion and game plans it seems.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cavs8864 on February 05, 2006, 09:59:55 AM
Correction-- the alumni at Cabrini could NOT believe it was Cavs bball.


THANK YOU    TO   EASTERN UNIVERSITY  for allowing tht alumni game to be played at your gym...  class act...

Maybe Eastern deserves Cabrini's gym the way they play now.


Looking at the Cabrini alumni photo with the Eastern Eagles logo in front tells the whole story....

Maybe Eastern will get a few flags and plaques since Cabrini won't be winning any...........  except for lacrosse/tennis

GO EAGLES!

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Strong on February 05, 2006, 03:23:50 PM
Eastern is kicking up some dust there Cavs ! !

Alvernia is overrated.


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2006, 04:49:45 PM
Quote from: cavs8864 on February 03, 2006, 11:45:25 PM
Be a realist......  Pat ....I don't paint pretty pictures but......
how can one not be negative.   I respectfully disagree with you.

Guess you do not remember the 6"10 and 7 ft guys Dzik recruited in District 19, and the teams that could beat Temple

Oh boy. I didn't realize we were talking ancient history. Having a couple guys doesn't make the PAC D-I quality, which is what you said your original point was.

And your District 19 guys did not play in the PAC, if I'm not mistaken.

If you want to change you story as to what you're talking about, go ahead. But don't take me to task over it.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 05, 2006, 06:46:17 PM
Hello to all!  I am a new member who just had to chime in after visiting the Dixon Center yesterday.    Cabrini alumni do not see eye to eye with the new coaches I can tell you that ! !

Sitting amongst a group of alumni all I heard was how they cannot play tough enough or battle.  They played horrible defense and the new coaches started coaching with a minute left in the game.  No more excuses!   Guess this is what happens when a young guy is handed a BIG job and it falls in his lap.

What a sad day for Cabrini basketball.  There seemed to be plenty of talent on the floor for Cabrini but they were not playing like a team. The only thing they did was wear the same color sneakers.  Does anybody know when the last time Cabrini was shut out of the PAC playoffs ? ?

   
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: E-E-E-E.UNIT on February 06, 2006, 09:36:05 AM
How many first year Coaches do you know that come into a program at this level and dominate? if there are some there are not many. It seems like you Alumnus just refuse to give the new coach a shot here. Im sure Coach Dzik would not agree with you people coming on here bashing a program that he built . Remember, most of those guys in Cabrini's uniform are HIS GUYS. How do you think he feels about ya'll bashing HIS GUYS?If you think for a moment that players don't read this Chat room your crazy. You guys a disrespecting these players who go out a bust it on every game night and try to live up to the standards that some of alumnus help to build. WHY ARE YOU BASHING THEM. have some loyalty to the program ..i mean my goodness.  Every team goes through down years, EVERY TEAM, and when that happen, thats when the true character of a Fan or Followers of a program show their true colors. On another issue, how can you judge a coaches recruiting on ONE YEAR ...HELLO.  I'll be honest i have never liked Coach Dzik, nothing personal i assure you all.  I don't like coach Dzik like i don't like Jimmie Johnson or Bill Parcells as an Philadelphia Eagles Fan(GO EASTERN!!!) but i can say that i RESPECT him, because he has class and i hope that some of that has rubbed off on most of his players.  i think that he would agree that some of the latest comments are classless, especially if your Alumni of Cabrini College
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: E-E-E-E.UNIT on February 06, 2006, 09:57:01 AM
Can we please get back to the here and now... please. The PAC has so much parity this year that it makes for an intresting playoff race. Even if you feel that the PAC is having a down year the race to get in the  playoffs has to intrigue you a little right?  Eastern has another tough one today with Gwynedd Good Luck fellas.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 06, 2006, 10:35:13 AM
E-E-E-E.Unit -

I respect your comments.  I can say that I know it takes some heart to come into a room and say that you didn't like a guy that everyone is saying good things about.  You are right though.  Not everyone likes Coach Dzik, but he is a classy guy and deserves respect.

The PAC is down and that is a shame, but many of the programs are suffering from the same institutional neglect that Cabrini is suffering under.

I wish the Eagles well.  What they did for the Cabrini alums was truly classy.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 06, 2006, 01:16:48 PM
Coach C. you said right:  "institutional neglect"

E Unit is exited because Eastern is playing well and deservingly so because  Eastern acted honorably towards Cabrini alumni.  Again, at least the positive variable is that schools who otherwise may not be able to compete in the PAC playoffs are there now because of the Cavaliers weakness during this time of change.  What is disturbing is that this "insitutional neglect" is becoming a current trend whether or not because of economics or control I don't know.

I hope the Eagles do make it far into the playoffs and take out Alvernia eventually.  This is a happy time for Eastern U. but this was just the norm for virtually every other Cabrini season. I feel bad for all the kids who work so hard in school and on the field.  On a positive note, those who otherwise do not experience playing well are getting a chance to win in the playoffs while the power struggles go on.  Is the PAC falling down another notch? 

Is it possible the PAC is falling apart or is this just a down time until the recruiting and talent rises to the task?  Perhaps the PAC is so competitive within itself that the parity is revealing itself.  I just wish the people in charge would do something so the conference is recognized as a legitimate contender nationally in the near future since Cabrini is in a time of change and a super coach is in the South now.   What more do these small private institutions have to offer if money is not the motivation in these economically conscious times.   Maybe cavs8864 was right when he said it was about the money when it used to be about the student athletes!!

I just want a good playoff game between EU and Alvernia with the Eagles taking it to them and getting to the NCAA tourney for the moment. Bob Mctammey will help them stay level-headed in the playoffs since he was there before with Cabrini and Dzik.
 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: ImmacHoops on February 06, 2006, 04:21:58 PM
CavsAlumni.com need to stay there and not D3hoops.com


Alvernia is the clear favorite to win the league. The injury to their pg will hurt them but they should still win it.

Eastern has a chance with the way the shoot the ball from three. They can be dangerous and beat anybody if they get hot and decide to defend somebody.

Wesley has one of the best players in the league so they always have a chance as well.

Arcadia should start to downfall right about now.

Neumann already has started to fall and they looked to have packed it in after their loss to us.

Cabrini seems to be inconsistent, but if they get hot they can beat anybody. Tape shows that game vs Alvernia was closer than the score indicated.

Gwynedd is solid but struggling with the loss of Shaq. The Gwynedd and Cabrini battle will be interesting to see for the 6th and final playoff spot.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 06, 2006, 09:11:16 PM
There is no more Cabrini alumni ! !

Heard Randy Reid played a great game on Saturday for Cavs. Wonder what Cabrini will do against Immaculata if they are still fighting for a playoff spot? Immaculata seems credible to beat anyone if the night is right.  Maybe they will be the spoilers.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: ImmacHoops on February 07, 2006, 12:23:21 AM
Alvernia pulls one out over Neumann. Neumann seems to match up well against Alvernia. If I was Alvernia I would try not to play Neumann in the playoffs.

Arcadia continues to win with a one point victory over Wesley. I still think Arcadia will start to downfall but I am looking to be wrong. Maybe they are turning out to be a quality team in this league.

The Mighty Macs of Immaculata get another league win and their first on the road at Misericordia. Three wins already has to be more than Arcadia had last year if I remember correctly? Maybe someone could clarify that for me.

Gwynedd wins at Eastern. Gwynedd leads Cabrini by one game for the final playoff spot. Gwynedd obviously has the tough remaing schedule. Should be very interesting.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: ImmacHoops on February 07, 2006, 12:27:25 AM
WolfPac,
It looks like Cabrini should be in that playoff race and that final game could be very important. The Macs are a little undermatched down low and Reid could have a big game again, but look for Immaculata to speed up the game and try to force the Cabrini guards into turnovers before they can enter the ball in the post. Immaculata is playing well and with three wins with about 4 games left, you have to be somewhat impressed by a first year program and the job Coach Chadwin is doing. If you look at the non coference schedule, they played Ursinus who is always good and also Wilkes who is usually pretty good.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 07, 2006, 08:14:50 AM
The PAC schedule matrix is updated as of last night.

http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2006/2/3/PACMB.pdf

Playoff atmosphere last night in the PEC even with the gym at only 1/2 capacity.  Kudos to both teams for putting on a quality D III show.  Hard to believe there are so many students within a lob wedge of the gym complaining about having nothing to do.

Great doubleheader on tap for Wednesday when the Griffins come to Reading.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 07, 2006, 08:21:22 AM
Things are heating up couldn't agree more with Immac.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: E-E-E-E.UNIT on February 07, 2006, 08:22:17 AM
Immaculata is a very very tough team.  I know people will look at their record and say "what is he talking about"?  but they are a scrappy bunch and they have some talant to build on. I also think they have a great coach
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2006, 03:21:35 PM
Quote from: ImmacHoops on February 06, 2006, 04:21:58 PM
CavsAlumni.com need to stay there and not D3hoops.com

Hmm, no, not really. I'm the only one who can say who's not allowed to post and as long as Cabrini is in the PAC, it's on-topic.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 07, 2006, 04:53:24 PM
Refreshing to hear someone has your back these days when posting.
I admit it can get annoying to those without a vested interest in Cabrini or Dzik.   (like crying over spilled milk to the outsiders)
Thanks for allowing freedom of expression within the boundaries of D3.com

To this end... Eastern seems to be a force to reckon with and if they beat Cabrini once more it will probably be the end for the Cavs unless GMC decides to fold up.  What if Arcadia does not fall?

Can someone fill me in on who is in and out of the PAC next year?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: E-E-E-E.UNIT on February 08, 2006, 09:19:37 AM
If the PAC is really losing teams next year, does this mean they will be looking to add Institutions ? What  schools would be a likely candidate for addition to the PAC.  If they do not add school doesn't that drasticly hurt the PAC.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 08, 2006, 10:53:24 AM
I would say that hey really need to pick up a few teams or face extinction.  One of the major programs in the league will be announcing its departure to the MAC shortly, making a below average league worse.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 08, 2006, 11:44:34 AM
Extinction?  That seems a bit strong.  I think the PAC will survive unless there is a mass exitus that I'm unaware of.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: E-E-E-E.UNIT on February 08, 2006, 12:04:15 PM
Coach C would you like to tell us all which team you are refuring to....and by the way how did i get a negitive one on my karma reading what did i do to recieve that ....
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 08, 2006, 12:59:07 PM
Now maybe someone else will understand the importance of John Dzik whether or not you liked him or are sick of hearing about him.  The man was instrumental in the PAC creation and was a valuable asset when talking business out in Indiana.

If the talent level rises and someone gets down and dirty in the NCAA  tournament the PAC will live on.... But, who is going to step up now and help the PAC stay organized with a voice before these schools start dropping in enrollment numbers?  Maybe Dzik is better off in the South.  His passion, loyalty, and dedication will hopefully live on.... even though " others say we are beating a dead horse".
Better days ahead for all ! !

Maybe the community colleges will join the PAC as associate members and 4yr institutions.  Could always go independent and get your butt kicked by Lincoln and Merrick.  Someone has to step up before it is too late!   All those PAC championship flags 1992,1993,1994,1995,1996,1997,1998, 2001,2002 hanging up in the Dixon Center will become ancient history if someone does not call a meeting regarding "institutional negligence"

Not being negative-only extremely concerned.


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 08, 2006, 02:47:38 PM
Wesley already left.  A few others are looking out.  Alvernia will almost certainly join the MAC.  What happens if the PAC loses 4 teams this year?

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 08, 2006, 03:15:19 PM
One school gone, another maybe. 

But, four? 

I'd be surprised.

Where are they going to go?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 08, 2006, 04:03:30 PM
The PEC plays host to a rematch of the last two PAC Championship games this evening when Alvernia, ranked 5th in the first NCAA Regional Ranking, and Gwyedd-Mercy tip off at 8:00 p.m.  The women's game at 6:00 p.m. will be a rematch of three of the last four PAC Championship games.

As always, live play-by-play of Alvernia College home basketball action can be followed on the web at http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/xlive.htm

For those in the greater Reading area, the men's game tonight will be broadcast live on 830 AM WEEU.

The PAC schedule matrix is available and will be updated as soon as all scores are posted to the d3hoops scoreboard.  http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2006/2/3/PACMB.pdf
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2006, 08:48:20 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 08, 2006, 03:15:19 PM
One school gone, another maybe. 

But, four? 

I'd be surprised.

Where are they going to go?


Doesn't the MAC have four holes to fill?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 08, 2006, 10:31:05 PM
Again, I'll be surprised if four schools leave the PAC.  I'll be more surprised if they all left for the MAC.

If the quality of play in the PAC is so "inferior," why would any other league want to take their schools?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 08, 2006, 10:46:24 PM
 Looks like GMC & Cabrini both lost tonight so their playoff hopes are both alive!  All remaining games are important now!

Immac could destroy someone's playoff hopes this year!
This is why I love PAC basketball!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: ImmacHoops on February 08, 2006, 11:52:04 PM
Neumann and Gwynedd tied and currently have the 5th and 6th playoff spots. Cabrini is one game back with 3 to play, with 1 against Gwynedd. That should be a war on Saturday at Gwynedd.

Nuemann seems to have the easiest schedule remaining, then Cabrini, then Gwynedd seems to have the thoughest of all.

Immaculata could upset either Neumann or Cabrini and that could prove to be very costly for both teams. I hope they dont take them lightly or else they could be out of the playoffs real quick.

Alvernia ranked 5th in Region in poll that came out today.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 09, 2006, 11:34:00 AM
Why do conferences want "inferior" teams?  Well simple scheduling math and in-region requirements dictate that the MAC keep its size stable.  They have not wanted these teams int he past, but suddenly they are looking at spots to fill and the PAC is right there to fill them.

Plus I never said they were inferior.  I said it was a below average league. 

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 09, 2006, 04:51:47 PM
If Alvernia is ranked 5th in the region, the whole region is weak so the PAC must not be as weak as previously implied.

Alvernia is not going anywhere.  One round maybe. I hope somebody knocks them off ! !

They are not as good as their record indicates as we will soon find out.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 09, 2006, 08:29:18 PM
The region STINKS in a national sense.  Where would ALvernia be ranked in the GL or the MW?

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 09, 2006, 09:14:22 PM

Got your point!  understand perfectly.  Coach C.

Guess its a cyclical thing. Thought the region was better when the PAC first started.  Someone beat Alvernia please ! !




Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 10, 2006, 09:52:55 AM
Not just Stinks with a capital S, but the full compliment of caps!  I don't disagree.

PAC Men's Basketball matrix updated with results of the Immaculata @ Marywood game. http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2006/2/3/PACMB.pdf

The PAC will participate in Coaches vs. Cancer National Awareness Weekend tomorrow. 
http://www.thepaconline.org/press_releases.php?id=49

Big games tomorrow in St. David's (Alvernia @ Eastern) and Gwynedd Valley (Cabrini @ Gwynedd-Mercy). 

It may be true that on the national level that the region
Quote from: Coach C on February 09, 2006, 08:29:18 PM
STINKS
but anyone who chooses to spend two hours in either gym tomorrow will not be disappointed.  Both atmospheres prove to be electric.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 10, 2006, 10:31:42 AM


GO EASTERN & Cabrini  the two King of Prussia road powerhouses.

Maybe powerhouses.... someone beat Alvernia please.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 10, 2006, 11:35:24 AM
Powerhouses?  Uhh no.

As for STINKS ... yes in a national sense i will stand by that, but you are right that Saturday's games will be entertaining.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 10, 2006, 08:24:48 PM


GMC is going down!

Think the Cavs are going to torch them if the snow holds off for awhile. 

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 10, 2006, 09:29:38 PM
FYI, Misericordia at Wesley has been moved up to a noon tip-off, Saturday.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Ulf_Tornstrom on February 12, 2006, 08:45:25 AM
I read on the NCAA website that the Arcadia head coaching position is available.  I didn't realize the coach was leaving or had left, any insights as to why?  It seems they are having a solid year, especially of late.

Contrary to the  predictions of Immac Hoops, the Knights are still red hot!




Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: ImmacHoops on February 12, 2006, 03:32:08 PM
I heard the same rumor about the coaching position at Arcadia. And yes I was very wrong about them this year. They are having a great turn around from last year and turned out to be a good team in this league. I am confused as well as the situation about their coaching position. Maybe someone could help us out.

Looks like Neumann and Gwynedd will make the playoffs leaving Cabrini out. What a dissapointing year it must be over in Radnor for the Cavaliers.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 12, 2006, 08:57:24 PM
Maybe if Cabrini's administration passed the torch down instead of extinguishing the flame they may have at least made the playoffs and then some.

I don't ever remember the Cavs missing the playoffs.  Imagine if they would have worked something out so the coach could have finished with his kids and at the same time got his 500th win while the school would have been rid of him? ?  sounds too logical I guess. 

Radnor only has the Eagles now ! !  Beat Alvernia Eagles or else I will have to become a Nova fan and never have a reason to watch college hoop at the current level of play in the PAC.

D1 here I come if something doesn't happen soon.  I was a die hard PAC fan but can only hope now.  We need another Willie Chandler soon!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 12, 2006, 09:19:00 PM
The PAC matrix has been updated again with the addition of a table every PAC teams records vs. PAC opponents.
http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2006/2/3/PACMB.pdf
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 14, 2006, 01:40:11 PM
The PAC Men's Basketball pairings have  been posted on the conference website.
http://www.thepaconline.org/sports_mbasketball.php

2006 PAC Men's Basketball Championships
1. Alvernia
2. Wesley
3. Arcadia
4. Eastern
5. Gwynedd-Mercy
6. Neumann

The PAC Matrix is up to date through Monday night.
http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2006/2/3/PACMB.pdf
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 14, 2006, 04:26:41 PM
Ok -

Now let's be honest.  Who in the WORLD had Wesley #2 in the PAC preseason?

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 14, 2006, 05:32:30 PM
Quote from: Coach C on February 14, 2006, 04:26:41 PM
Who in the WORLD had Wesley #2 in the PAC preseason?

Tied for fourth in the preseason coaches poll.  I imagine at least a portion of kudos goes to the coach who picked the Wolverines first.  At the same time a more sizable portion for the eight coaches who guessed right.

After seeing Johnson play you can see why coaches raved about the newcomer.  Let's not get carried away and equate Kobe to Jordan or Johnson to Chandler, but early returns show the potential is present.  At ease PAC coaches, soon you will only have to prepare for this offensive threat during your non-conference schedule.

Congratulations to the Wolverines for winning on the road without your top two scoring options.  Just another example of the electric potential of Division III Basketball.

Thanks for the forum, Pat.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: ImmacHoops on February 14, 2006, 08:54:44 PM
Rumor has it Gwynedd picked Wesley to finish first. Their rivalry with Alvernia in recent years caused a little turmoil.

I think the surprise team in the league in Arcadia. What a turnaround by the Knights. I will be the first to admit I was completely wrong about their team. I am still confused about their coaching position for next year.

Cabrini not making the playoffs??? I was told by a coach in the conference their starting five is just as talented as any team in the league. I am surprised they did not make the playoffs.

I am picking Wesley to win the league. I feel they do have the best player in the league. Does Alvernia still make the NCAA tournament if they do not win the conference championship? Could be interesting.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 14, 2006, 09:23:20 PM

Go Wesley ! !   Beat Alvernia
Go Eagles !      Beat Alvernia

Go Everybody !   Beat alvernia

Too bad.... Cabrini could have beaten alvernia with you know who at the helm!

If Neuman loses last game and Cabrini wins last game are they not tied in the standings though ?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 14, 2006, 09:32:55 PM
1)I'm guessing that the Arcadia job is going full-time and the current head coach is in a better financial situation in whatever full-time job he currently holds.

While it can be rewarding in many ways, D-III athletics certainly isn't the most financially rewarding career option.

Again, I'm just guessing.

2) Maybe we should cut the Cabrini coach some slack.  Who could've stepped into that scenario and been more successful?  He had them in the playoff mix until the end.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 15, 2006, 07:26:13 AM
WolfPAC,

You are correct, Neumann and Cabrini could end the season with the same records, but Neumann already holds the tiebreaker.

1.  Head-to-Head is a split.
2. The second PAC Men's tiebreaker is record vs. conference opponents from the bottom of the league to the top.  The theory here is that a bad loss should hurt you more than a good win helps you and the Cavaliers are 1-1 vs. Marywood while the Knights are 2-0.

Even if the PAC went top to bottom, the Knights would still hold the tiebreaker with their 1-1 record vs. Alvernia.

The schedule for Saturday's openers is as follows:

Saturday, February 18
1:00 p.m. - #5 Gwynedd-Mercy at #4 Eastern
3:30 p.m. - #6 Neumann at #3 Arcadia

Both match-ups resulted in splits this season with homecourt holding in the Neumann/Arcadia series.  The Griffins and Eagles series was split with each team winning on the road.

Looks like times and locations will provide for taking in both games of the doubleheader on Saturday.  Anybody sponsoring the mid-afternoon, St. Davids to Glenside shuttle?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 15, 2006, 11:27:12 AM
The Arcadia job is posted becasue it is being re-made as a full-time job. 

I remember when the second tie-breaker was changed from top to bottom to vice versa.  And yeah, Jon is right.  Losing to a team you are supposed to beat is worse than the positive you get from beating a better squad.

Enjoy the games!

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 15, 2006, 06:16:04 PM
Thanks Jon & Coach C. for clarifying the tiebreaking issue. Makes sense since Cabrini lost to Marywood.. I believe it is Marywood's only win! !

I still do not give the new Coach of Cabrini any slack with his credentials.  Believe when I tell you the Cavs had enough talent but were not on the same page.  They were not tough enough on defense as a team.  Perhaps they were not insych with the new coach's system.   I do not blame the coach personally, yet the institution did not handle the dismissal of Dzik with class which bit them in the a.....    They could not help but focus on the new mechanics put in place  while their hearts were with the old coach's system despite what anyone else may think.  It is truly ashame for a quality institution with all those championship flags and all the hard work to be rewarded in a spiteful way.

Arcadia is looking for Full-time coach.  What does that tell you about the institution vs a part-time coach.  Immaculata seems to be heading in a positive direction as well. 

To this end..  the whole PAC seems to be trying to head in the right direction except for Cabrini.   Only time will tell.

Hope everyone enjoys the playoffs.. someone please beat Alvernia !  No offense Jon.   
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 15, 2006, 06:58:33 PM
WolfPAC,

None taken.  After all, what kind of atmosphere would there be if everyone was rooting for the same team.

Interesting point you make on "not tough enough on defense as a team."  I'm not sure that's been a priority many places this season.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 15, 2006, 09:40:21 PM

For example, Jon,  look at Jack McCloskey (forgive me if I spelled his name wrong).   He left, and the torch was passed right in stride with Alvernia recruiting and playing accordingly never skipping a beat.

Compare this situation to Cabrini...... no loyalty or what?  The team with talent now wearing the same color sneakers to keep them together and switching benches to make a statement?  This is pure nonsense or turning the page over to cover a legacy impossible to repeat in the new environment in the PAC for Cabrini with their attitude and institutional neglect.  Alvernia on the otherhand has my respect for how they made a move despite any circumstances regarding their coach I may not be aware of with good planning and continuity.  There was no destruction of tradition.

Seems to me almost all the schools in the PAC are moving on while Cabrini is standing still regardless of the new staff.  Taking the handicaps of the new staff into consideration, it is as if the whole basketball and athletic program at Cabrini has taken a step backwards while the PAC although weak as a whole is stepping forward.   It is discouraging to me.  The newspaper a year a ago in Delaware County had headlines almost everyday about Cabrini winning and the Dzik mess which mounted up to free publicity. Now a days there is not even a mention except for a score.  The image of the school must be suffering when this is their backyard.  Enrollment must be affected negatively.

Oh well, I stop dwelling on it but Alvernia is good but not great. The Cavs at one time had their number despite their talent. However today, everyone is gunning for Alvernia.

If the Crusaders do make it to the sweet 16 I will give credit where it is due.  But watch out for Wesley! Arcadia, Eastern, and even Neuman.  Home field advantage will help you guys a little bit though and with your record if you make the NcAA rounds you will most likely get some home games.  Maybe I will make a trip up there even though I am not rooting for you !

---- To a good PAC tournament---- the WolfPAC
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 15, 2006, 10:35:27 PM
WolfPAC,

Congrats on nailing the spelling with no research.

First, I just want to make it clear that there were no "circumstances" surrounding the recent coaching change at Alvernia.  Quite simply, a worthy candidate for retirement choosing to spend his winter days reclining on a comfy beach chair.

Secondly, your comparison of the Alvernia situation to Cabrini is a bit apples-to-oranges.  Alvernia simply made a promotion to fill an opening caused by retirement.  As we know due to its high level of publicity, the Cabrini situation was quite different.

Thirdly, I would say the Cavs had everyone's number in the PAC's early years as evidenced by six straight PAC Titles in the mid 90's.

Here's to hoping you have plenty of chances in the next few weeks to catch a game in the PEC.

Enjoy the games!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 16, 2006, 08:20:11 PM
Jon,

Cabrini's only competition in the early years was Alvernia which is why I did not include the other schools.  The level of competition seems to have risen while Cabrini has not enjoyed success at recruiting the best of the best.  Cabrini just simply worked very hard with incredible leadership.

I know the Crusaders made the final 4 as well but did not go through Cabrini directly for the PAC championship.

Hope to see the Crusaders in the NCAA tournament if they end up winning the PAC.  If they go all the way I will be proud but until then ..... beat Alvernia.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 16, 2006, 10:43:03 PM
Love the fact that every WolfPAC post ends with "beat Alvernia."  I'm not sure losers ever have haters.

Alvernia and Cabrini certainly have a storied history in the PAC Championships.  My first experience was the '01 final that made SporstCenter's Top 10.  The '02 semi wasn't kind to Alvernia either, but since then the Crusaders have notched semifinal wins over the Cavs in two of the past three years.

Time will tell if another school steps up to form a new rivalry or if the Cavs can make a return to the top...well, not quite all the way to the top.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 17, 2006, 09:28:03 AM
Umm well gosh.  Allentown was pretty good back then.  Miseri had some legendary players.  I seem to remember GMC improving and Neumann improving into serious squads at the end of Cabrini's 6 year run.

It wasn't just 2 teams.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 17, 2006, 11:52:21 AM
In terms of Champions, GMC was the first non-Cabrini PAC Champion, but it was Wesley who put an end to the Cabrini run with a #7 over #2 quarterfinal win over the Cavs in '99.  The floodgates briefly opened that season with GMC and Alvernia sneaking in for PAC Titles in '99 and 2000.  The Cavs were back on top for two straight years and the Badou Gaye led Griffins won twice after Alvernia took its second Title in '03.

There has been better parody in recent years.  I think next on the table for me will be a table of overall PAC Championship records for all PAC schools.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 17, 2006, 12:12:28 PM
i think that if you look at the runners up in each of those 6 years, other names than just Alvernia will appear.

C

and jon -

parody is what jon stewart does. parity is what pet rozelle wanted the nfl to have
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 17, 2006, 02:02:34 PM
Coach,

Thanks for the clarity on parity.  I meant to look that up before posting, but got distracted by lunch.

Of course there were other teams to appear in the final opposite Cabrini.  Beaver had two and Allentown the other.  The Crusaders were the lucky loser thrice.

Beaver continued to make the playoffs with limited success, but now appear to be back in contention.  Allentown took its show on the road, and has been fairly consistent in making Freedom playoff appearances.  Misericordia made back-to-back finals before three straight semifinal loses.

I'm excited to see what tomorrow holds.  Can Eastern make it's second semifinal appearance?  Can GMC three-peat [(C) Pat Riley] without Gaye?  How dangerous is Neumann? Is Arcadia back to early PAC form?  Who wins the battle of the Knights?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 17, 2006, 06:50:53 PM
As earlier promised, here is a recap of the first 13 years of the PAC Championships.

      App.   Titles   Finals   Record
Cabrini       13   8   8   20-5
GMC       9   3   3   7-6
Alvernia       13   2   8   16-11
Misericordia  12   2   10-12
Arcadia   9      2   4-9
Allentown   3      1   3-3
Eastern   6         1-6
Neumann   8      2   5-8
Wesley   4         1-4
Marywood   3         0-3
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 17, 2006, 07:08:44 PM
thx Jon.  Very informative.

noticed every time Cabrini made the finals they won.

beat Alvernia---- unless they are the best team.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 17, 2006, 07:49:56 PM
Nice job Jon!

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 19, 2006, 09:16:55 PM
This should look a little cleaner.  I'm still learning how to use all the toys.  The table is updated through Saturday's quarterfinals.


SchoolsApp.TitlesFinalsRecord
Cabrini138820-5
GMC10337-7
Alvernia142816-11
Misericordia12210-2
Neumann925-9
Arcadia1025-9
Allentown313-3
Eastern71-7
Wesley51-4
Marywood30-3

PAC Championships continue Tuesday.
7:00 p.m. - #3 Arcadia at #2 Wesley
8:00 p.m. - #5 Gwynedd-Mercy at #1 Alvernia
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 20, 2006, 09:24:31 AM
Managed to attend a couple of high school basketball games this week.

Except for the size of the gyms, the level of play in the PAC almost seems like glorified boys high school basketball compared to other conferences. This would not be true to me 3 years ago.

Even the speed of the kids in high school was quicker if there were not so many fouls.  Did not realize how D111  PAC basketball has deteriorated. Getting nervous. 

Cardinal Ohara could beat most PAC schools. Including their women's teams.  Really sad that D111 (PAC) is college level.    Thinking the NAIA is a more formidable organization with better quality and if Dzik did not take Cabrini to the D111 the schools in the PAC might not be able to hang in the NAIA.   (Even with rule changes in 1992) The best thing Dzik did was to take basketball at Cabrini to the d3 level to establish the PAC as a conference.

Looking at other conferences in D111,  this is embarassing.  What and who is going to do something to change things in the PAC.  Seems like all these SID people take their job seriously but most coaches are not committed due to "institutional neglect" so the PAC is suffering with members leaving the bottom of the barrell in the PAC.  What high school kid is going to go to a D3 school unless they are afraid to play at a higher level?  Academically and confidence wise kids who want to be in a small school are not the best for the PAC.   There are exceptions but few!    Why would Chandler come here unless he wanted to be an American Idol and rot on a bench somewhere else?     At least St. Joes gave Jameer a chance.

The Pac is becoming dilluted even though the people with "tunnel vision" are only focusing on the PAC playoffs because their teams are directly involved.   If you put things in perspective,  there will be trouble ahead for the PAC.   Does one think that as time goes on the better teams in the PAC will join other conferences since the PAC is weaker than ever?   

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 20, 2006, 09:35:19 AM
OH yeah,  the last time Cabrini played AC in the playoffs ( Iknow ancient  History)  I think they beat them at Sacred Heart Hall before beating Baptist Bible.  The  Cavs were only toying with them and beat them by almost 30 points.

John Drummond, Billy Carr, and the boys played real PAC basketball.
This basketball stuff today is becoming garbage real quick.  They would destroy these teams.

Not sure most of you understand how it was back then.  The statistics don't tell the whole story unless you were there ! !

A disgruntled Pac fan !     No hard feelings.  Really do care but nobody else does I am sure.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2006, 12:22:42 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on February 20, 2006, 09:24:31 AM
Seems like all these SID people take their job seriously but most coaches are not committed due to "institutional neglect" so the PAC is suffering with members leaving the bottom of the barrell in the PAC.

I wouldn't say this is true.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 20, 2006, 12:49:27 PM
WolfPAC -

I think you are fairly mistaken about some issues. 

First, I have seen COH play this year and most of the PAC as well.  COH can't beat a single team in the PAC. 

Second, You are thinking about NAIA back in the day.  Currenly, the NAIA is a refuge for below-average programs and talent.  Half of the PAC is better than 80% of the NAIA.

Third, the PAC is in a down phase right now, but things have generally been cyclic in this league.  Schools will make adjustments and the PAC can come back.  IF the stronger schools stick around.

Fourth,  the coaches are pretty good in this league.  I would not point to any of them and say that thye are poster children for institutional neglect.  I do think that the part-time coach model that lots of these schools use is suspect.  But that is the school, not the coach.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 20, 2006, 01:20:48 PM
WolfPAC,

I appreciate the back and forth you have supplied, but I can't let that last one slip by.  I'm gonna have to jump on board with Pat and The Coach on this one.  I can't speak to the COH program, but I find it hard to believe it would be competitive in the PAC.

And what's up with this paragraph.  It's just chock full of off-the-mark statements.

Quote from: WolfPAC on February 20, 2006, 09:24:31 AMLooking at other conferences in D111,  this is embarassing.  What and who is going to do something to change things in the PAC.  Seems like all these SID people take their job seriously but most coaches are not committed due to "institutional neglect" so the PAC is suffering with members leaving the bottom of the barrell in the PAC.  What high school kid is going to go to a D3 school unless they are afraid to play at a higher level?  Academically and confidence wise kids who want to be in a small school are not the best for the PAC.   There are exceptions but few!    Why would Chandler come here unless he wanted to be an American Idol and rot on a bench somewhere else?     At least St. Joes gave Jameer a chance.

You can't imply that coaches are not committed to their positions.  I know for a fact they cross paths more on the recruiting trail than they do during their own games.  That's a tremendous committment, especially from the part-timers.  You have to remember that all the SIDs are at least on campus in a full-time capacity.

High school kids being in D3 because they are affraid to play at a higher level!?!  Not sure I can buy into that.  My theory is that it takes heart, body, and talent to play at the highest level.  Having one of the three will get you into D3, two of three can get you D2, and the total package is a D1 player.  Of course, there are some exceptions to the theory, such as ridiculous talent being a trump card, but I don't think fear plays a big part in where you land.

Chandler was a Scranton kid and chose to play close to home at Misericordia.  He certainly could have played up at least a division.  I've seen my fair share of PSAC games and Willie would have starred there too.

Sure, St. Joe's gave Jameer a chance, but he obviously has talent to burn.  The first player off the bench during Jameer's senior year, Ray Strickland, was a star in his own rights here at The Vern.  Coach McCloskey gave him a chance and no one here has any regrets.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 20, 2006, 02:08:17 PM
Thx C. and Jon.

I am still skeptical about the future of the PAC but I am encouraged by both of your words about the level of competition vs. COHara H.S.

Perhaps I over reacted, but the games seem more exciting there.

It seems as if the colleges in the PAC do not band together with an athletic voice.  You both are probably correct about the passion and committment of the coaches but there still seems to be a missing ingredient which I attribute to the lack of a superstar or a team not getting out of the lower brackets in the NCAA's.   Perhaps I am wrong for attributing the lack of excitement or missing ingredient as I call it as the staff or coaches fault.  Please forgive me all !   I must disagree that the PAC needs something to promote its credibility then amongst all these high schools as an alternative for students to attendi PA state universities.

Maybe the PAC needs to market itself more successfully at the high school level. Not a coach recruiting a player, rather the image of d3 basketball as a credible choice with the PAC as the local representative of D3.  The question is how?   Use the playoffs and get more of the region interested.  Maybe we need to listen to the students in high school who do not know what the PAC even is at this point.   A symbol, banner or adveristement?  Something to identify with......... seems ridiculous but think about it !

I don't think of high flying dunks when I hear D3 or PAC.  The environment does not seem right to make it credible.  Almost seems more like a high school instead of college game.   The size of the school could have something to do with it, but money also plays a part I am sure.  Watching a game at that level seems to be lacking the one big play or flash unless you are personally involved with a vested interest.  Therefore, if there was better promotion in the region or even a radio announcement ( I know money and institiutional neglect) about a rivalry in the playoffs to make it more interesting and the fact that tickets are cheap could be a selling point.  But when you get into a little gym to watch the game, the environment changes the level of play subconsciously.   For example watching a game at Alvernia is more collegiate than at the Neuman. Even though this is only true environmentally speaking on the surface.  The image seems wrong.  More NCAA and PAC promotion needs to be all around no matter what gym one is in.  The fact that Alvernia looks more like a bowl helps over dinky little bleachers at Eastern & Neuman.  Has anyone ever watched a woman's game at Rosemont.  You may have to go there to understand while you sit on little metal chairs with no bleachers. Glass backboards help too!

Again, institutional neglect or dollars. Enrollment, recruiting..... which is it? I know Roseont is not coed but then again look at what is happening over at Immaculata.  Seems to have traditions to grow and build upon but will they? 

The fan base of the schools in the PAC leaves alot to be desired. The students do not realize the level of play and come out on a regular basis with school spirit to cheer their teams on.  This also baffles me.  Just doesn't seem as fun or collegiate in the PAC unless it is a PAC championship game.   Look at March Madness and think about PAC basketball.  Oh well sorry all, just trying to help the image of the PAC.

If I could do it some way myself I would.  I may gripe alot but I do care....

Oh yeah... beat Alvernia .. no hard feelings!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 22, 2006, 09:02:25 AM
Congratulations to Alvernia men and women for a sweep yesterday.

Beat Alvernia !
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gordonmann on February 23, 2006, 08:59:32 PM
What a game in the PAC championship tonight.

Alvernia had a big lead early in the second half and the young Wesley team looked dead.  But they fought back with great defense and torrid shooting from Rashawn Johnson and Mike Wright to take a 61-57 lead.  The Wolverines turned it over late and Alvernia took a 64-61 lead with about 15 seconds left.

A Wesley player hit a fade away jumper with a guy on him for three to tie-- no, make that a two.  A ref ruled it was a two point shot.  Alvernia hit two free throws and survived for a 66-63 win.

Congratulations to Coach Kobasa on a great first year with a lot of talented freshmen. 

And congratulations to the PAC Champions, Alvernia College and Zach Straining, who are going to the NCAA tournament. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 24, 2006, 10:22:19 PM
Gordon,

Thank you for calling the action last night.  We received several e-mails and phone calls that were complimentary of the job you did and appreciative of the service provided.

What a game indeed.  Note to CAC coaching staffs...it's never to early to start preparing to guard Rashawn Johnson.  However, don't lose focus on the other four players on the court.  With a full year to recruit the Wesley coaching staff could have a dynamite team for the foreseeable future.

"Diesel" Ed Hochuli just returned from under the hood and after further video review the play stands as called on the court.  Wright's stutter step put his right foot on the line prior to the shot.

Agreed on the congratulations to Coach Kobasa and his staff.  That team is definitely worth the price of admission.

WolfPAC, the loss didn't happen for ya in the PAC Championships, but you have to be happy for a classy group of Crusader seniors who secured their second PAC Title.  They followed the first title taking Randolph-Macon, then the national #1, to overtime in the NCAA second round.  Time will tell how this memorable class caps its career.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 26, 2006, 03:08:57 PM
Jon,   

Alvernia is truly representing the PAC at the moment.  I must hope for the best.    ---- Salem ----

It means a great deal for the PAC during these tough times so they must battle.     Truthfully,  I thought Wesley would beat them. 


If it is a one and out,  it will be a dissappointment.   Hoping for more from Alvernia if they are indeed that good.

To this end...  I do wish them all the luck in the future so they can make some dreams and careers even more memorable.

Keep me posted please.  I appreciate your input and really hope they do well.

Sincerely,  WolfPAC
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: bballfan22 on February 27, 2006, 02:01:07 PM
To Gordonmann Re #185 2/23/06 - New at this
chatline thing but wanted to reply to your
post re: Championship game between Alvernia
and Wesley College.  What a game - a cardiac
game for sure - you have to give Wesley a lot
of credit for their "comeback".  They seem
to never give up -   I do
wonder if anyone else in attendance at the
PAC mens bball  games this year saw any need of improvement in the area of the officiating?
Alvernia has an awesome team - good luck to
them.
All teams in this conference seem equally
talented and could have won a game at any time.
Thanks for providing some thrilling times
for us the fans.   ;)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Knightstalker on February 27, 2006, 02:34:34 PM
 ECAC Selections  (http://www.ecac.org/feature/feature.asp?id=2816)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 27, 2006, 07:51:57 PM
Go Crusaders !
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 27, 2006, 08:13:37 PM
 I think Alvernia  could take Messiah with no problem.
Cabrini only lost by  32 pts  when they played them earlier this year but the Cavs had no clue during that time.

Beat Messiah ! !
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 27, 2006, 08:21:09 PM
I'm glad to see the tune has changed once the conference tournament is over WolfPAC.  It's good to see some PAC loyalty once the national tournament begins.  I understand I am roughly 175 posts away from being allowed to dole out Karma, but if I could you'd have a point coming your way.

The first NCAA preview is posted on the home site.  http://athletics.alvernia.edu/News/mbball/2006/2/27/060227mbncaapre.asp?path=mbball  
More information to follow later in the week as the focus shifts completely to Men's Hoops.

The Men's All-PAC Awards were released today.
Zach Straining - POTY  (Only the third different player in the past seven years to earn the award)
Chris Talley - 1st Team (Talley and Straining go back-to-back 1st Teams)
Lamar Brickus and Garrett Etzel - Honorable Mention

Eric Elliott (Arc), Andre Wright (Neu), and Rashawn Johnson (Wes) round out the First Team.

Second Team
Anthony Bennett (Cab), Jim McMahon (Cab), Corey Brown (Mis), Bobby Black (Eas), and Chris DelBrocco (GMC)

Johnson earns Rookie of the Year (no surprise)
Pat Dorney (Arc) named Coach of the Year
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 28, 2006, 02:24:03 PM
Hopefully the refs will take care of business in the national tournament and them play a little bit inside.

If this happens, Alvernia has to be tough on the boards until crunch time and with ball control the Crusaders should win easily if they shoot well.

Lets get started ! 

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 28, 2006, 02:28:34 PM
Lincoln is beatable you know !

Just have to play smart with no turnovers with your hands in their faces.

If they put the ball on the floor they are like everyone else.

Thinking ahead optimistically,

WPAC
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 02, 2006, 09:27:41 AM
Seriously guys,


Messiah should take Alvernia & Lincoln will win the tournament.
Lincoln will probably get to the final 4 if they can beat Va.  who has won something like 23 in a row.

Officiating will play a part I am sure in those close games.  Alvernia will have to work extremely hard if they will have a chance.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gordonmann on March 02, 2006, 10:15:50 PM
The NCAA tournament continues tomorrow night in Lincoln University, Pennsylvania.  If you can't get to Lincoln, let D3hoops.com and NCAA Sports take you there.

6 PM: Messiah College vs. Alvernia College

8 PM: Lincoln University vs. Christopher Newport University

The webcast will be at

http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/mens/scoreboard/div3

Pregame begins 20 minutes before each game and you'll need Windows Media to listen.  You can download it for free here:

http//www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/download/default.asp
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 03, 2006, 08:29:15 PM
Oh well,  like I said............

Alvernia is not that good and the PAC is a weak, weak, conference.

Can only hope Cabrini can win the PAC next year with some new blood and get deeper.

Wesley probably would have done better against Messiah but Lincoln would have beaten anyone from the PAC no matter what...

TILL NEXT YEAR...........   go LINCOLN UNIVERSITY
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gordonmann on March 04, 2006, 11:43:20 AM
I thought Alvernia played Messiah very evenly.  Had the Crusaders cut down on the second chance points, they would be back at Lincoln University today.  Congrats to Zach Straining on setting a new career high on the big stage.

PAC fans should keep their chin up -- Alvernia did them proud.  And great showing by the Crusader faithful who brought four buses of maroon and gold fans.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 06, 2006, 10:42:48 PM
Going down, down, down,

What does the PAC look like next year?   Wesley outa here, and GMC moving on out.................

Watered down.........

look at this chat board... the weakest.... the writing is on the wall and the institutional neglect is rampid.

Good job to Alvernia but if the Crusaders were that good they would be still be playing.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on March 07, 2006, 01:10:56 PM
Did I miss the memo on where Gwynedd-Mercy is going?

I'm not sure I'd measure the strength of any conference by their chat room.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 07, 2006, 03:55:55 PM

If I am correct in hearing through the grapevine..

Alvernia and Wesley are outa here shortly, and GMC was thinking about it but did not come to a decision. 

I thought Chestnut Hill would have been joining the PAC by now but what do I know?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on March 07, 2006, 10:30:38 PM

Depending on which grapevine your connected to, every school in the PAC is leaving.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 10, 2006, 07:58:17 PM
Yeah Lincoln! !


Lincoln is laughing at the what?  Oh yeah the  "PAC"

Remember when we used to drive out into the sticks in the early 1980's to LU before the PAC was even thought of and beat them.
My how times have changed.

Lincoln is representing the PAC better than the PAC.
My oh my how quiet it is in here.  Hope next year is better ! ! !

See ya at the Graveyard!  Alvernia fans.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on March 11, 2006, 03:07:01 PM
Thoughts on the Neumann situation?

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 11, 2006, 03:11:15 PM
Quote from: Coach C on March 11, 2006, 03:07:01 PM
Thoughts on the Neumann situation?

C

What "Neumann situation"? Something happening there?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 11, 2006, 09:24:38 PM
Oh no!  Is this a situation with a coach getting blown out due to "institutional neglect",  a player situation, or are they dropping out of the PAC too!

Since the board is so dead maybe it will light up.  Please do not tease us and let us know the latest scoop.  Curiosity killed the cat.

In all seriousness,  I hope the situation at hand is a good one for the PAC and not a bad one. Please keep us informed.
Thank you  "C"
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on March 11, 2006, 11:17:19 PM
I think coach Nugent resigned at the end of the season.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on March 12, 2006, 10:31:51 AM
Coach Nugent resigned to spend more time with his yong family.  Neumann plans to hire at the part-time level.

C

Wolf - drop me a line.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 12, 2006, 03:17:48 PM
Oh boy!  now who will step and coach a program that I thought was on the rise. 

Seemed like Neuman knew how to battle but this seems like a blow to their program unless the coach knows something we do not all know.   Could it be another case of conspiracy in the admn. and the part-time coach senario becoming all too familiar due to "institutional neglect" or am I over analyzing.

The coaches in the PAC may be feeling the heat more than ever with the new environment out there without the dedication to athletics.
Maybe their time is more important.  Hoping this is not the beginning of the end....


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on March 12, 2006, 11:48:51 PM
Nugent was part-time.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on March 13, 2006, 10:00:34 AM
Wolf -

Yeah - you are reaching a bit here.  Coach Nugent was a part timer who wanted to be with his kids more.  The college has not seen the need to upgrade the spot.  Not unusual.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on March 13, 2006, 12:25:51 PM
Coach Nugent is a great guy, the PAC is losing a good one.
It's difficult to understand how everyone in this chat room knows about all these schools leaving the PAC.  My question is....if the PAC is such a bad conference then why would another conference want team(s) from it? 
It's hard to argue against the institutional neglect considering the part-time situations that keep creeping up, ie. Cabrini, Neumann, even Gwynned is part time.

Regardless, it's a good conference with some outstanding players and solid coaching. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on March 13, 2006, 01:26:07 PM
Mr. Wiz,

I'd agree with your comments.

Basically, if your league has some holes to fill, you've got to fill them.

So far, Wesley is the only confirmed defection.

As far as the part-time positions, Neumann and Gwynedd-Mercy have always been part-time.

The only change has been the debacle at Cabrini.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 14, 2006, 03:41:35 PM
I guess in today's world most jobs are becoming part time anyway since our country is  going global.

In comparison, the PAC must adapt as well.  As long as there are passionate, committed people on the floor and behind the bench, things will tend to take care of themselves.

Boy would it be nice if there was a team like Lincoln which could give the PAC some exposure it needs to attract and recruit.   Oh well times change.
Title: D3hoops All-Region Teams
Post by: lefty2 on March 15, 2006, 10:51:04 AM
Congratulations and thanks to Pat Coleman and all the D3hoops.com staff on a job well-done on the All-Region process.

Good job by the voters, too.  Those SID's are a sharp bunch of guys.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 16, 2006, 03:37:27 PM
Can only hope next year is more promising for the PAC
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on March 17, 2006, 06:14:02 PM
Who is up for the Neuman job?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 19, 2006, 02:06:23 PM
Wish it were John Dzik.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on October 03, 2006, 01:15:15 PM
Lets get things going in here.  Any news out there?  Recruits?  Schedules?
Player movement?

Time to get started.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on October 03, 2006, 09:48:40 PM
Hoopzwiz,

The Alvernia schedule is posted on the site.

http://athletics.alvernia.edu/schedules.asp?path=mbball
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on October 04, 2006, 03:06:06 PM
I've noticed that most all the schools have posted their schedules.
I'm looking for some thoughts on the coming season.....
Best teams, players, etc.
Any good newcomers?  How about transfers?  Heard Johnson from Wesley has transferred, that could change things in the league just a little.
I also heard that Gwynedd is loaded, good recruits and a transfer from Arcadia/Misericordia/Keystone, something like that?

Anybody out there with any info?
Lets hear it.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on October 30, 2006, 04:53:50 PM
Looks like another slow year in this room.
Maybe just close it down.
Why waste the space on the web page if no one is going to use it?

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on November 10, 2006, 12:37:25 PM
Preseason rankings are out.

1. Wesley
2. Gwynedd-Mercy
3. Eastern
4. Alvernia
5. Arcadia
6. Neumann
7. Cabrini
8. Immaculata
9. Misericordia
10. Marywood

Anyone out there with any thoughts?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: pmtkev on November 15, 2006, 02:36:37 PM
I noticed the schedules of a couple of teams and saw that while Cabrini is picked in the bottom half of the PAC, they are playing in a very tough tournament to start the year.  They have huge games coming up in the tourney versus Wooster (D-3 #2) and then either Mt. Union or Emory and Henry.  I went there and hope that they do well, but does anyone have any thoughts on how you think they'll do?  I moved away and haven't seen them in a couple of years.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on November 24, 2006, 09:27:31 PM
There are a bunch of teams playing tough non-conference schedules this year in the PAC. Cabrini got a spanking from some tough teams, but Alvernia and Misericordia are stepping out and playing tough teams from all over. Wesley looks like the team to beat, but I think there is going to be a lot of parity in the league overall. Many of the teams are returning almost entire starting squads, or at the minimum, experienced backcourts. Who right now is the best point guard in the league? Santiago at GMC? Someone else?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on November 27, 2006, 02:33:52 PM
Early observations:
Alvernia remains a quality team is spite of heavy losses due to graduation.  Coach Miller seems to just reload.
Wesley having early struggles.  Too talented to go on very long.
Neumann with impressive wins of late.  I've only read about the games but beating E-town at their place means you're a pretty good team.

Arcadia, Miseri, Eastern struggling too.  Any observations from the early going?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on November 27, 2006, 03:58:46 PM
I will get a better look at Miseri tonight, they play a nonleaguer over at DeSales at 8 pm. I agree with you wiz, Neumann winning some tough ones early on could be an indication of something good. Looks like there is life on the PAC message board this year!!!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on November 27, 2006, 04:43:14 PM
I'm surprised that you have time for DIII Hoops with your demanding ACC schedule, Coach K.

I'll be interested to hear about the game.  Desales always tough at home, well coached, good players.   

Haven't heard much from the Cougars in a couple of years. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on November 27, 2006, 04:50:13 PM
Haha, yeah, I make it up from Tobacco road once in a great while  ;) . I expect to see a war. Desales has a lot of good local talent from the Lehigh Valley, Miseri I don't know a whole lot about, so it will be interesting.

Any other good nonleague games this evening in the PAC?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: miserikid on November 27, 2006, 06:55:42 PM
this chat board used to be buzzing with players, sid's, and coaches. What is with the pac in the last couple of years? Is it due to some veteran coaches leaving there posts? martin, dzik, and alvernia's old coach can't remember his name. Seems like there were more big time players in the past. has it come down to recruiting or a shift in importance by school's? 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on November 27, 2006, 10:49:49 PM
Wow, Miseri Fans, impressive effort from the Cougers against Desales tonight. I left with about 19 seconds to go, and it was 82-75 Misericordia. Marcus Little played a great game off the bench, and shot lights out, along with Hormak and a bunch of other guys. At one point mid to late in the first half, I counted the Cougers hitting on 8 of 9 3 point attempts, and the score went from 24-24 to 51-31 at half time. DeSales stepped up their defensive effort in the second half, but it was too late to recover. Miseri was very disciplined defensively, I was impressed how well they defended DeSales with all of its weapons.

It's a strong non-league win for the PAC again. Honestly, Desales probably wins this game 7 out of 10 times, but you can't take anything away from Miseri. They earned this one tonight. Alvernia beating Baldwin-Wallace and playing well in Hawaii despite losing and Neumann beating Etown might silence a few people who for years have said (and rightfully so some years) that the PAC was the little sister conference to the MAC and Centennial conferences.

I think the league as a whole Miserikid has actually improved over the past 3-4 years. I just believe it was dominated by one team each year (Alvernia last year, GMC the previous two) and one player (Gaye). I think you are going to see a better brand of basketball top to bottom with all the returners for the teams in the league, which should bring out the PAC chat wackos to talk a little bit. It will make for a fun year. By the way, Alvernia's former head coach was Jack McCloskey.

Any thoughts from any other fans at other schools?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on November 27, 2006, 10:59:34 PM
And being the basketball degenerate I am

(From their website) Immaculata taking Wilkes to the limit before losing 78-72... they had a 65-58 lead late in the second half. Was anyone at this game?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on November 28, 2006, 12:48:34 PM
I was at the Wilkes game.  Mighty Macs gave them all they could handle.  First-game rust was evident for the colonels but the talent level was relatively close.  If Immac is picked to finish near the bottom of the PAC, perhaps its a good thing Wilkes is in the "mighty MAC".  Pardon the pun.

Young, big kid for Wilkes is good and only gonna get better.


The Miseri score is surprising.  Desales' website said it was the first win ever for the Cougars in Center Valley in 12 games. 
The PAC looks to be catching up talent wise.

Two observations so far this season.....
#1.  Susquehanna is very very good.
#2.  King's has the best balance, inside-out, of anyone I've seen.  Forget the two losses, they will play for the MAC title. 
I know this is the PAC board, just wanted to pass those thoughts along. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on November 28, 2006, 06:27:03 PM
I know this is the PAC's room too, but I will agree, Susquehanna is probably the best team, especially when you bring in a D-1 transfer. The CAC it is probably York or Catholic, the PAC is a crapshoot, and the Centennial is probably an edge to Muhlenberg once they get Jeff Stewart back.

Glad to hear Immaculata playing well. The bottom of the conference needs to step it up a bit, and it looks like they are.

Any good action going on this evening in the PAC??
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on November 29, 2006, 12:22:39 PM
What would the 'Rickster' have done if Immaculatta had beaten wilkes?
I wish we could've seen it.

Full PAC schedule it looks like. 
Hopefully some people will have some info on here tomorrow.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 29, 2006, 01:14:48 PM
Quote from: Coach K on November 28, 2006, 06:27:03 PM
I know this is the PAC's room too, but I will agree, Susquehanna is probably the best team, especially when you bring in a D-1 transfer. The CAC it is probably York or Catholic, the PAC is a crapshoot, and the Centennial is probably an edge to Muhlenberg once they get Jeff Stewart back.

Glad to hear Immaculata playing well. The bottom of the conference needs to step it up a bit, and it looks like they are.

Any good action going on this evening in the PAC??

The best two teams in the CAC are Mary Washington and Catholic--York lost a ton off their Tournament teams.  They're still decent, but CUA and UMW should be better.  Mary Wash already has beaten Messiah, the preseason #2 MAC Commonwealth team, and CUA already has road wins over Albright and Scranton--no small feat.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: sunny on November 30, 2006, 12:58:02 PM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on November 29, 2006, 01:14:48 PM
Quote from: Coach K on November 28, 2006, 06:27:03 PM
I know this is the PAC's room too, but I will agree, Susquehanna is probably the best team, especially when you bring in a D-1 transfer. The CAC it is probably York or Catholic, the PAC is a crapshoot, and the Centennial is probably an edge to Muhlenberg once they get Jeff Stewart back.

Glad to hear Immaculata playing well. The bottom of the conference needs to step it up a bit, and it looks like they are.

Any good action going on this evening in the PAC??

The best two teams in the CAC are Mary Washington and Catholic--York lost a ton off their Tournament teams.  They're still decent, but CUA and UMW should be better.  Mary Wash already has beaten Messiah, the preseason #2 MAC Commonwealth team, and CUA already has road wins over Albright and Scranton--no small feat.

To add to that, Johns Hopkins should be te best team in the Centennial Conference all season.  Muhlenberg has potential, but Hopkins is the heavy favorite.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on November 30, 2006, 10:40:10 PM
College Misericordia overcame a 31-point deficit (61-30) with 16:13 to play to win 88-81 at Cabrini, Thursday.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 01, 2006, 10:54:32 PM
I caught the article about the Miseri vs. Cabrini game on D3hoops. WOW!! Was anyone at the game to give more on it? I can see where Miseri can put up points in bunches, but to be up 31 with 16 minutes to play and give away the lead is not a good thing for the Cavs. Does this big week for Miseri up their status in the league and in the Region in general?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 02, 2006, 01:10:38 PM
Today's PAC doubleheader featuring Immaculata @ Alvernia will be webcast at

http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/wbball/  (Women's Game - 1:00 p.m.)
http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/mbball/  (Men's Game - 3:00 p.m.)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 03, 2006, 05:37:43 PM
Alvernia escaping with a win against the Mighty Mac's. I think Immaculata is no longer a fluke or a suprise team. They appear to be every bit as competitive as the traditional top level teams in the PAC. Any observations from anyone who was at the game? How do you think the Alvernia vs. Wesley game will pan out next Saturday?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on December 03, 2006, 06:57:54 PM
I know I'm a couple of days late, but how does Cabrini lose a 31 point lead with 16 minutes to go?

That would have NEVER happen when John Dzik was the coach.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 04, 2006, 01:47:09 AM
Quote from: miserikid on November 27, 2006, 06:55:42 PM
this chat board used to be buzzing with players, sid's, and coaches. What is with the pac in the last couple of years? Is it due to some veteran coaches leaving there posts? martin, dzik, and alvernia's old coach can't remember his name. Seems like there were more big time players in the past. has it come down to recruiting or a shift in importance by school's? 

Welcome aboard. New blood can't hurt.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 04, 2006, 09:42:25 AM
Heatlee,

I agree, it probably would have never happened, but you still have to give Miseri credit for firing back from 31 down. I think Miseri is going to be in the mix come late February.

Was hoping to get out to Alvernia vs. Wesley, but I have some other commitments. Is it going to be streamed over the net?

Mr. Coleman, what is your professional opinion about the PAC this year? Improved? Down? Seems like the league is making some noise. Conference as a whole seems like it has a ton of balance compared to years past. Top team in the league could have 3-5 regular season losses this year. Plus you have some good non-league wins for Neumann, Alvernia, Miseri, etc.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 04, 2006, 10:54:07 AM
Coach K,

Now that we've got the bugs out, we intend on webcasting live stats from all home games at the links I provided last Saturday.  Those links will also be available through the Alvernia website (http://athletics.alvernia.edu) and we hope to have the scoreboard here at d3hoops.com updated with links by the end of the week.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on December 04, 2006, 01:49:59 PM
Any thoughts on the games tonight?
Gwynedd at Marywood
Neumann at Arcadia
Eastern at Misericordia
Cabrini at Wesley

Looking briefly, Cabrini and Wesley both struggling, will be a needed win for one of them.
Neumann seems strong in the early going, never easy on the road though.
Eastern and Miseri similar teams, lots of points in that one?
Gwynedd highly ranked in PAC preseason.  Motivation for Marywood?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 04, 2006, 04:32:43 PM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on December 04, 2006, 01:49:59 PM
Any thoughts on the games tonight?
Gwynedd at Marywood
Neumann at Arcadia
Eastern at Misericordia
Cabrini at Wesley

Looking briefly, Cabrini and Wesley both struggling, will be a needed win for one of them.
Neumann seems strong in the early going, never easy on the road though.
Eastern and Miseri similar teams, lots of points in that one?
Gwynedd highly ranked in PAC preseason.  Motivation for Marywood?

Gwynedd Mercy should handle Marywood, but I think it will be within 10. They won't lay down at home.

Neumann in a close one against Arcadia

Eastern vs. Miseri is probably the most intriguing game for me. The question is, is Eastern fully healthy? What is the status of Bobby Black? If Eastern has all the guns firing, I think they squeak one out on the road.

Wesley will take advantage of a Cabrini team that seems to be reeling, and they have them at home.

The last three games mentioned intrigue me, wish I could see them all.

Jon, thanks for the info on the Alvernia's site!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 05, 2006, 01:26:17 PM
Hoopwiz,

You were right, Marywood stepped up against GMC. Anyone who was there have any thoughts about the game?

Immaculata with another good effort against Widener (sp?), but falling a bit short.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 05, 2006, 01:47:02 PM
Seasons Greetings,

Where did Jeff Dailey rookie of the year in the PAC end up this year?

Anyone know?


Cabrini women could beat the Cabrini men  ! ! !  PaTHETIC
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 05, 2006, 01:51:55 PM


Hate to beat a dead horse but here it goes.........

Without Dzik and his staff the Cavs are history.  Look at Clifton, Reid, and Bruce McClelend (sorry if I spelled it wrong) the last thread of the Dzik era keeping the team afloat with a thread.

Agree with Heatlee.

Enrollment will soon drop as well.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 05, 2006, 01:58:59 PM
Please forgive me, I must comment that despite Cabrini tanking this year, the PAC as a whole is much more competitive.

I am impressed by the  conference overall.   This is encouraging at least.

Just hope a full-time coach could take over the Cavs and show them what it takes again.    Parking buses at D1 schools and holding clipboards doesn't make you a coach that could fill a legend's pair of shoes.   Looks bleak at Radnor.

Seriously, the PAC seem improved despite my negativity on the Cavs.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: D3fan14 on December 05, 2006, 07:57:24 PM
Heatlee and WolfPAC,

"That would have NEVER happen when John Dzik was the coach."


"Without Dzik and his staff the Cavs are history."


This is just a suggestion. You obviously care about Cabrini Basketball because you are still taking the time to post on this site. Why not try to get over the fact that Dzik isn't coming back and recognize something positive about a program you care about? If you don't care, then let it go.

On a seperate note.

Are there any All American caliber players in the PAC? I know some people are saying the league is getting better, just curious if it has players that could be recognized on a national level?


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 05, 2006, 08:12:04 PM
When one values something it is difficult to just let something go and stand by while a diluted version of something so great is accepted as the norm.

You are correct.  Cabrini basketball must move on without Dzik.
But..... this is not really Cabrini.    If one attended the institution only then could one understand how this is not the legacy intended to be passed down from such a great program.

If you truly understand... the only positives are the last recruits on the team from the Dzik era.    What else is positive?  Blowing leads, giving up 3 pt shots all day, losing JV team,  ....

Ok, I am sorry.... the sneakers look nice, the dance team is cool,

Wake up ! !

Time to move on I agree it obvious to all Dzik is not coming back.  The point is Cabrini basketball is gone. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 05, 2006, 08:54:36 PM
D3fan,

Keep an eye on Wesley sophomore Rashawn Johnson for national recognition in the PAC.  He's averaging 26 points, five rebounds through the first six.  After him there should be a handful of strong regional players.

Wolfy,

Seriously, it's time.  You can't say "Cabrini basketball must move on without Dzik" and "The point is Cabrini basketball is gone" in the same post!  So they blew a big lead and there's no JV team.  Give Coach Macciocca a chance to build a program.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 06, 2006, 09:08:42 AM
OK---- one must give the man a chance to rebuild & recruit.

I hope someone else besides Alvernia wins the PAC.
How did their program maintain continuity through their coaching change?

The situation is different at Cabrini which leads me to believe the staff at Cabrini does not have what it takes at this point.  With the house being cleaned there it is ground zero.... I will give you that much.

Objectively, do the players at Cabrini have faith in their staff?  To this end, is the PAC that much better than Cabrini and it is not due to their staff failing to come up with wins at this point.

Please understand I am not trying to find fault--- just a solution for the struggling Cavs who do have talent usually.

The Cavs have fallen so far behind w/o you know who it will take much time as you say.    Afterall, I do not think a staff who was treated so unfairly was concentrating on continuity after the axe dropped.

Can only hope Immaculata upsets Alvernia.  (haha)

Thx Jon.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 06, 2006, 10:53:34 AM
I have been reading d3hoops (and football) for as long as it has been in existence.  I enjoy reading your posts and now hope to join in the interesting discussions.

Coach K,  in response to your question about Bobby Black:  he is not practicing with the team right now due to a health issue.  It seems unclear when he will be healthy.  Good news for other teams in the PAC; bad news for the Eagles.

WolfPac, your question about Jeff Dailey:  First, what a fun player to watch (even though I'm an EU guy).  He might have been the best shooter from behind the arc last year in the PAC.  He hustled to get open every second of the game, reminiscent of a great shooter we all know from the Pacers recently retired.  And he was a competitor.  I know he was looking into transferring to EU, but didn't.  He is not playing anywhere that I know about.  I might be wrong, though.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 06, 2006, 10:55:43 AM
Why do many of you think the PAC is more competitive than previous years?  I can definitely see more parity for at least 6-7 years.  I don't see great evidence this early in the year for the comparison to other conferences.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 06, 2006, 11:18:20 AM
WolfPAC,

We're going to have to redirect some of that Crusader anger you have.

You can't compare the coaching transitions at Alvernia and Cabrini.  It's completely Apples & Oranges.  The Crusaders were able to execute a planned transition with coaches and players already in place.  If by some stretch the Cabrini transition was a plan, then maybe I could interest someone in an application for an Alvernia MBA and an education from some of our fine Business Planning professors.

I haven't seen the Cavs in person yet this season, but I doubt the PAC is that much better than Cabrini.  There are four 1-win teams at the bottom of the heap including the preseason favorite, but it's still very early, both in the season and in the big picture.

Division 3 basketball is topsy-turvy, it's just the nature of the beast.  The PAC holds some pretty good non-conference wins already this year, but has also dropped some stinkers.  Like I said, there's still plenty of time for this season to play out.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 06, 2006, 11:48:37 AM
Much bigger difference at Alvernia with the coaching change. Coach Miller was on Coach McClosky's staff for at least 10 years, so he knew the program inside and out, what the focus of the school is, plus he has all of his Reading connections.

I hope Cabrini can turn the corner, as it only helps the conference when they are competitive.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 06, 2006, 11:55:24 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 06, 2006, 10:53:34 AM
I have been reading d3hoops (and football) for as long as it has been in existence.  I enjoy reading your posts and now hope to join in the interesting discussions.

Man, welcome aboard -- nine years of lurking is an awful long time!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 06, 2006, 05:25:54 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 06, 2006, 11:55:24 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 06, 2006, 10:53:34 AM
I have been reading d3hoops (and football) for as long as it has been in existence.  I enjoy reading your posts and now hope to join in the interesting discussions.

Man, welcome aboard -- nine years of lurking is an awful long time!

Only if the reading was dull, which it wasn't.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 06, 2006, 08:56:44 PM
Jon,

Not truly angry at Alvernia, the are an important asset to the PAC.
When you are on top everyone is gunning for you so that is where my energy is focused. 

As long as a team gets into the playoffs, the game plan for beating Alvernia is the only way out of the conference.

Hoping for a fun eventful season.   But.... maybe someone could beat Alvernia.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on December 06, 2006, 09:13:48 PM
As a Cabrini alum, during the NAIA days, my loyalty WILL ALWAYS be with John Dzik.  Do I want Cabrini to lose?  No, because I could care less.  My point is and always will be a John Dzik team WOULD NOT have blown a 31 point lead with 16 minutes to play at home plain and simple.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 07, 2006, 12:12:15 AM
EU beats NC in overtime by 6.  EU was up 20-5 early, but, as always, couldn't sustain and gave up the lead until the final minutes.  More of the same.  EU is going to have to work on their mental game in order to do well through the season.

Neumann seems to have been outcoached, sadly.  While they have a very athletic and physical (more on this later) team, their full-court press left much to be desired.  They are going to have to play more disciplined and take fewer risks if they want to really do that full-court thing.  I think they have the talent, but whether they have 40 minutes of heart is up to them this season.

Eastern did give up 27 turnovers, which is a nagging problem for them.  Maybe some of the juniors will realize that the ball is a precious item, not something to throw around for good luck.  Although, somehow the conference hasn't figured out that if they leave DiMaria open, he might score a few on them (31).

Anyway, it looks like the PAC is tied at 3-1 with Neumann, Eastern, and Gwynedd? (not sure about G-MC).

Any other updates?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on December 07, 2006, 09:44:13 AM
Heatlee,

You're correct - John Dzik's team never would have blown a 31-point lead at home.

Actually, I'm not sure a team coached by anyone, anywhere has "accomplished" the feat previously.

We're checking to see if CM's miraculous comeback last week was the greatest ever in D-III.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 07, 2006, 10:09:59 AM
Wasn't Kentucky down 31 against LSU when Pitino was coaching there?

Cabrini lost the halftime lead against DeSales last night, lost 69-63. Reid had 24. Was anyone at the game? DeSales seems to have been playing better recently, so it is encouraging for Cabrini to be in a competitive game against them.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 07, 2006, 11:20:17 AM
Quote from: Coach K on December 07, 2006, 10:09:59 AM
Wasn't Kentucky down 31 against LSU when Pitino was coaching there?

Cabrini lost the halftime lead against DeSales last night, lost 69-63. Reid had 24. Was anyone at the game? DeSales seems to have been playing better recently, so it is encouraging for Cabrini to be in a competitive game against them.

That depends on what the definition of "in" is.  From what I heard, DeSales had one of their worst games this year, with the players not mentally preparing themselves for a team they considered to be sub-par.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 07, 2006, 11:26:04 AM
Chizwiz,

Sounds like a little cross-the-street, EU bias in that assessment.  Sources close to me indicate that once the Bulldogs figured out how to defend Randy Reid, the momentum swung in their favor.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 07, 2006, 11:38:42 AM
How did Ryan Oxley play against DeSales? He was a decent shooter in high school at Northwestern.

Any back and forth between the Alvernia and Wesley fans before their game on Saturday? Where are the Wolves fans?? Or are they still focused on the Division 3 football playoffs!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: D3fan14 on December 07, 2006, 12:49:19 PM
Ryan Oxley played well last night, but was unable to get a lot of open looks.

The Cabrini DeSales game was competitive, but DeSales played more disciplined basketball at the end of the game. And they did defend Randy Reid well in the second half.

Cabrini is a good team,  they are just young, and while they can go up on a team by 31 or 15, they are still learning what it takes to maintain it. Young guys need time to learn how to make smart decisions.

January should be interesting with no immediate "team to beat". Can't wait to see who pulls it together.


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 07, 2006, 09:29:41 PM
Heatlee,

You hit the nail on the head! ! ! ! ! !

Hard to care about Cabrini basketball these days and DZIK would never get embarrassed like that in any game against any opponent.

DZIK outcoached many of superior talented teams and pulled off miracles.

For everyone else who does not understand DZIK's impact on an individual or a team.... you missed out already.

Heatlee.... I am with you! !   I don't really give a bleep about Cabrini basketball they suck and it is truly ashame.   Everyone else can give me all kinds of excuses for the new coaching staff or rationalize. The bottom line is without DZIK & Kelly there is no Cabrini basketball.

Cabrini sucks! !   If I really cared I would not say that... however I am being polite with my choice of words believe me !     Feel sorry for the institution.

John DZIK forever.

Cabrini basketball is gone like I said yesterday and I really don't care.  If you don't think I mean it and wish to rationalize with semantics, trust me I will not post again.  Heatlee: you are correct:   It would NEVER happen with  DZIK.

Part-time coaches;  give me a break calling this crap DIII NCAA what a joke!

At least the other institutions in the PAC are committed with a couple of exceptions.

Ask me if I care.... I don't.    If you kick me off the board its your choice but voicing one's truth is why this board still exists I hope. 

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 07, 2006, 09:35:30 PM
Sorry,

Jon you are devoted to what you do as well for Alvernia.   Seems like Cabrini is missing leadership and people like you in order to succeed.

How can those poor kids learn without a real coach! !   Those kids play their butts off but have no strategy or tempo without a leader.
Knowing how to put up points is not winning.

Jon you are an asset to your institution.  Oh and even the SID at Cabrini who was professional as they come--- I think Bob Mccartney blew out of there as well. 

Cannot believe how the administration shredded a legendary basketball program ! !
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 08, 2006, 09:28:08 AM
WolfPAC,

No need to apologize...judging by what continues on some of the other regional rooms, I'd say you are far from getting yourself kicked off the board. 

Thanks for the compliment in the midst of a tirade...we're just trying to have fun doing our jobs here.  As I explained to a group of middle school students yesterday, I get paid to watch games!  ;D
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 08, 2006, 10:09:56 AM
Wow! I stay away for a day or so, and everyone in here is fired up!!

What is on the PAC slate besides Alvernia and Wesley this weekend?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 08, 2006, 12:05:15 PM
Looks like Wesley @ The Vern is the only conference game this weekend.  Neumann is at the Messiah Tournament Friday and Saturday, Arcadia is hosting Del Val, and Cabrini is at Widener.

I would say the place to be Saturday is courtside at the PEC for the rematch of last year's Championship Final.  As always, if you can't make it to Reading, feel free to follow the action on the net.

http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/mbball/
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: D3fan14 on December 08, 2006, 12:41:34 PM
Why would you be kicked off of the chat? For saying a team sucks? Big deal.

The irony of the situation is that you spouted off about how embarrasing Cabrini basketball is, in a most embarassing manner. You embarrased yourself, with your improper use of the english language on multiple occasions, and your inability to communicate who you are upset with, and who you feel sorry for. "I feel sorry for the institution" ?? Wasn't it the institution that let Dzik go?

I am out of the PAC chat room. I am not fired up or upset, I just think that it is sad that WolfPAC and Heatlee can't add anything to the conversation but their frustration about the situation that happened with Cabrini and Dzik.

As a  last question, I ask the room again, "Are there any players that could be recognized on a national level?" Does the PAC have anyone fun to watch no matter what team you are fighting for?  Only one was mentioned.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 08, 2006, 01:39:31 PM
WolfPAC, all I'd ask is that you use the quote function or somehow better say what's your post and what's heatlee's.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 08, 2006, 07:27:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 08, 2006, 01:39:31 PM
WolfPAC, all I'd ask is that you use the quote function or somehow better say what's your post and what's heatlee's.

Will be sure to do so.  Thx for you tolerance
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 08, 2006, 07:31:06 PM
Quote from: D3fan14 on December 08, 2006, 12:41:34 PM
Why would you be kicked off of the chat? For saying a team sucks? Big deal.

The irony of the situation is that you spouted off about how embarrasing Cabrini basketball is, in a most embarassing manner. You embarrased yourself, with your improper use of the english language on multiple occasions, and your inability to communicate who you are upset with, and who you feel sorry for. "I feel sorry for the institution" ?? Wasn't it the institution that let Dzik go?
I am out of the PAC chat room. I am not fired up or upset, I just think that it is sad that WolfPAC and Heatlee can't add anything to the conversation but their frustration about the situation that happened with Cabrini and Dzik.

As a  last question, I ask the room again, "Are there any players that could be recognized on a national level?" Does the PAC have anyone fun to watch no matter what team you are fighting for?  Only one was mentioned.



Talk to me when you know the meaning of institutional neglect.  You are correct in context however.  I should have said a few members of the elite status of the institution let Dzik go and I feel sorry for the student athletes who are the real Cabrini College.   
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on December 08, 2006, 09:58:39 PM
I am sorry if anyone didn't understand my point.  Not only would a John Dzik team not blow a 31 point lead, but almost any team would not blow a 31 point lead. 

As I said before I can care less if they win or lose.  I do not root against them, and I feel sorry for the present coach because he is not in a good situation because of who he followed.

The PAC may be a more competitive conference, within the conference.  Outside the conference they are 12-23, with five of those wins coming against Penn State-Hazleton, Penn State-Delaware, Penn State-Berks, and Lancaster Bible. While their  wins against teams with winning record are over DeSales, who is 5-2, Rutgers-Camden 4-2, with wins against Albany Pharmacy and Valley Forge Christian, and Baldwin-Wallace whose opponent's winning percentage is .238.

The league is a far cry from 2003-2004 season when Gwynedd-Mercy went to the sweet sixteen.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 09, 2006, 09:28:12 AM
Baldwin-Wallace was #5 or 6 in the country when Alvernia defeated them, so they must have a decent amount of talent. Point taken though with all of the PSU campuses the teams are playing. Are the PSU teams all officially D-3 this year (can they send teams to the NCAA out of their conference.) I know Berks and Behrend compete in different conferences. Is it still a transition year? Are they considered to be Mid-Atlantic region teams? Just curious.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 09, 2006, 11:40:34 AM
Coach K,

Baldwin-Wallace was ranked #6 when it played Alvernia.  The Yellow Jackets do have talent this year, but to date I would say that was the Crusaders' best effort of the year.

The NCAA website (http://www.ncaa.org) offers a number of sortable databases that should answer any of your Penn State alignment questions.  Behrend is listed in the Great Lakes.  Both Berks and Altoona are listed in the Middle Atlantic.

d3fan14,

Please don't leave us in here alone with these Crazy Cavs.  If I have to read one more post about what a Dzik-lead team would or wouldn't have done, I'm gonna rip my eyes out.

Gotta go...Wolverines are comin'  http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/mbball/
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 09, 2006, 08:51:36 PM
@ Alvernia 80, Wesley 65

Terrence Shawell scored a career-high 31 to leave the Crusaders.  WolfPAC, if the Crusaders continue to put in that kind of team effort, it's not going to be a happy new year for you.

What's the word on the rest of the PAC action today.  I'm assuming Neumann was able to handle Penn College at Messiah, Arcadia drops a close one at home to Del Val., and Widener by 15 over Cabrini.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 10, 2006, 11:35:26 AM
Wow, impressive effort by the Crusaders. Looks like they are in the driver seat for now at least.

Is Del Val that much improved? They were good for like 4-5 wins a season, seems like they are getting better!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 10, 2006, 05:50:14 PM
Quote from: Jon on December 09, 2006, 08:51:36 PM
@ Alvernia 80, Wesley 65

Terrence Shawell scored a career-high 31 to leave the Crusaders.  WolfPAC, if the Crusaders continue to put in that kind of team effort, it's not going to be a happy new year for you.

What's the word on the rest of the PAC action today.  I'm assuming Neumann was able to handle Penn College at Messiah, Arcadia drops a close one at home to Del Val., and Widener by 15 over Cabrini.



Jon,  I admit Alvernia is playing team basketball.   Alvernia's program is one to admire with hard work and continuity.  The team serves the PAC well.  Wishful thinking if one thinks Cabrini will get to the PAC finals in this decade.

If Alvernia keeps it up,  I will have to start getting up to a few of their games.  Especially vs. Cabrini.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 10, 2006, 07:40:28 PM
It's looking like Alvernia is one of the stronger teams this year in the PAC.

I still haven't gotten an answer to my question about why people think the PAC is a strong conference this year.  I don't see many good wins and too many bad losses (besides Alvernia/BW).

I'm starting to think it might be a down year for the PAC.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 10, 2006, 07:43:58 PM
D3fan14, I'm going to get to your question about nationally-recognizable players in the PAC tomorrow.

Who did Cabrini bring in this year as a transfer or a recruit who can play at least 5 quality minutes/game?  People are defending Macciocca, but this is his second year and I want to know how well he is recruiting.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 10, 2006, 07:56:10 PM
I said that there would be "more on this later" regarding the physicality of the Neumann team.  As always, Neumann seems to have some of the better athletes on the court, which leads me to wonder why they have problems winning an athletic-friendly league such as the PAC.  However, it seems that they can get a little rough sometimes with the EU players.  (Being an EU fan admittedly, I like to see teams get a little rough with us because I don't think EU generally plays with heart and aggression.)

The game on Wednesday, however, got a little out of hand.  EU Coach Nadelhoffer was getting the guys huddled during a timeout and a Neumann player (to be unnamed) bumped into Coach N and then shoved him while on his way back to his own huddle.  It seemed that this was unsolicited, as the coach didn't seem to be trying to do the same or talking to him.  Well, that unnerved Coach N, who then looked pretty angry.  I think he yelled at him and pushed him away.

While I don't want to make generalizations about this player or the NC institution, it seems like this player was acting with very little sportmanship, and definitely no respect for the coach.  I hope this kind of thing doesn't happen again, as I imagine the EU players might take it a little more personally.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 10, 2006, 08:56:07 PM
chizwiz,

Athleticism will only get you so far.  Take the Memphis outfit for instance...probably the most athletic team everywhere it goes, but that doesn't always translate into wins.

WolfPAC,

Still plenty of good seats available for most Alvernia games.  The Albright game usually attracts the largest crowd of the year, but if you let us know you're coming we'll be sure to save you a seat.  The Cabrini game used to attract a pretty big crowd when they had that other coach...if only I could remember his name  ;)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 11, 2006, 01:48:04 AM
Quote from: Jon on December 10, 2006, 08:56:07 PM
chizwiz,

Athleticism will only get you so far.  Take the Memphis outfit for instance...probably the most athletic team everywhere it goes, but that doesn't always translate into wins.


I can agree with that.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on December 11, 2006, 11:22:10 AM
There are many issues for the decline with Cabrini.

1) Coach Maccoica (I dont know if I spelled that Right) just does not seem to know basketball.  On this year's team Randy Reid is clearly their best player, so how does he only get 4 shot attempts against Widener.  Unfortunately, coach M just doesnt seem to have the basketball knowledge of how to adjust during a game in order to get his best player going. 

During the Misercordia game it was almost embarrasing to see how bad he was outcoached.  There was one point in which there was 8 straight possesions with a turnover and then finally a timeout was called.  So finally a timeout is called and what does the team run: absolutely no offensive set.  They run a weave on the wing with 2 freshman and a junior and end up taking a horrible shot. 

2) Coaching Ignorance
Look at the players that have left the team within the past year.  2nd team All-pac Jim McMahon decided to forgo his senior year and declare himself eligible for the business world.  Former Pac rookie of the year Jeff Dailey was removed from the team because he had doubts about returning to Cabrini.  When he called the coach to try and set up a meeting, the coaches response was Jeff had already made his decision to leave and he hung the phone up on his best returning player.  Dominique Barron an athletic swingman who would be a junior also decided he had enough.  Finally Colin Fitzgerald, who started 14 games for Coach Dzik as a freshman at the point guard position was removed from the team last year because he supposedly was not committed to the program. 

So there you have it, 4 players recruited by Dzik who would have been in top 7 rotation along with Reid, CLifton and McClelland.  So how can you really feel sorry for this arrogant coach?  I feel bad for the older players who are stuck wasting their eligibility under a coach who clearly has no idea. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 11, 2006, 02:13:49 PM
Quote from: D3fan14 on December 08, 2006, 12:41:34 PM
Why would you be kicked off of the chat? For saying a team sucks? Big deal.

The irony of the situation is that you spouted off about how embarrasing Cabrini basketball is, in a most embarassing manner. You embarrased yourself, with your improper use of the english language on multiple occasions, and your inability to communicate who you are upset with, and who you feel sorry for. "I feel sorry for the institution" ?? Wasn't it the institution that let Dzik go?

I am out of the PAC chat room. I am not fired up or upset, I just think that it is sad that WolfPAC and Heatlee can't add anything to the conversation but their frustration about the situation that happened with Cabrini and Dzik.

As a  last question, I ask the room again, "Are there any players that could be recognized on a national level?" Does the PAC have anyone fun to watch no matter what team you are fighting for?  Only one was mentioned.


D3fan14,

Here are some players that are headlining in the conference or better:

Rashawn Johnson - Wesley - Sophomore - combo guard - lots of points, good reb, but high TO (to be expected of Sophomore).  Definitely All-Region, questionable All-American (this year), though.  Will be fun to watch for remainder of career.

Randy Reid - Cabrini - Junior - Points & Rebounds are great - plays the 5 spot - big guy.  Won't make All-Region IMHO, and that fact that he is playing for a bottom-dweller team is not going to help him.

DJ Fritz - Neumann - Junior - good player - not nationally-recognizable, though.

Jason Reels - Eastern - Freshman - can play the 2-4 - good numbers and minutes - my somewhat biased opinion of this great kid is that he will be 1st Team All-Region as a Sophomore - possibly all-conf this year - if he progresses, could be all-american as jr/sr, as long as Eastern does better in win/loss record.  Go watch this kid, in the middle of January.  He will surprise.

Chris DelBrocco - Gwynedd - Sr Guard - solid all around - not perfect, but usually outplays his man on both sides.  All-conf - not really all-region.

Garrett Etzel - Alvernia - Sr - good all-conference.

Mike Johnson - Eastern - Junior - can play the 3 or 4 - huge matchup problem - handles ball very well for 6'5 and can post up anybody in the conference as well as defend any 3-5 in conference.  Shoots three and jumpers.  Nearly averaging triple-double right now, with significant steals and blocks.  Definitely 1st team all-conf - should be all-region.  Will need to dominate more as well as more EU wins/playoff games to get looks as all-american as a senior.

Just for fun, watch Lenny DiMaria - senior combo - EU - can play pt, 2, or combo - good defender, shoots extremely well.  Leader.  Will get all-conf this year, probably 2nd team.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 11, 2006, 02:15:14 PM
d3fan14,

What's a fun team any night?  Nothing really comes to mind.  Maybe Wesley or GMC.  I would like to say EU, but they can lay an egg against crappy teams every once in a while.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 11, 2006, 10:32:17 PM
Quote from: PacMan20 on December 11, 2006, 11:22:10 AM
There are many issues for the decline with Cabrini.

1) Coach Maccoica (I dont know if I spelled that Right) just does not seem to know basketball.  On this year's team Randy Reid is clearly their best player, so how does he only get 4 shot attempts against Widener.  Unfortunately, coach M just doesnt seem to have the basketball knowledge of how to adjust during a game in order to get his best player going. 

During the Misercordia game it was almost embarrasing to see how bad he was outcoached.  There was one point in which there was 8 straight possesions with a turnover and then finally a timeout was called.  So finally a timeout is called and what does the team run: absolutely no offensive set.  They run a weave on the wing with 2 freshman and a junior and end up taking a horrible shot. 

2) Coaching Ignorance
Look at the players that have left the team within the past year.  2nd team All-pac Jim McMahon decided to forgo his senior year and declare himself eligible for the business world.  Former Pac rookie of the year Jeff Dailey was removed from the team because he had doubts about returning to Cabrini.  When he called the coach to try and set up a meeting, the coaches response was Jeff had already made his decision to leave and he hung the phone up on his best returning player.  Dominique Barron an athletic swingman who would be a junior also decided he had enough.  Finally Colin Fitzgerald, who started 14 games for Coach Dzik as a freshman at the point guard position was removed from the team last year because he supposedly was not committed to the program. 

So there you have it, 4 players recruited by Dzik who would have been in top 7 rotation along with Reid, CLifton and McClelland.  So how can you really feel sorry for this arrogant coach?  I feel bad for the older players who are stuck wasting their eligibility under a coach who clearly has no idea. 


Wow!  Someone has finally admitted MAChucka is not the coach for Cabrini.  As I said before, the whole team wearing the same color sneakers does not make them a team ! !

This is truly the end of Cavaliers basketball.   Maybe if the new coach knew a little bit... those other guys would still be here as well.  Again, if I have to hear how he is a new coach and it is only his first year I will puke.

Obviously, parking buses at Wake Forest and assisting at Kings Point is not even close to what it takes to build a program like Dzik.  What a joke ! 

A real wanna be.... especially when the introduction of the coach on the Cabrini website claims Cabrini has the chance to win a national championship!   What a loser.. never recruited by Dzik either as a player because he was nothing.   The Cavs coaching staff is a farse.


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Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 11, 2006, 10:41:26 PM
MAChucka has no clue.   Just read the website under staff...  Dzik did not need all that fluff.

Again.. parking buses at Wake Forest & assisting at MMacademy does not make you a PAC coach close to Dzik.

Randy Reid, Clifton the only ones left keep battling at least.  How do you let a team with all the talent last year disband because of your ego?

GO ALVERNIA---- the basketball program at Cabrini is shredded.  First year coach give him a break makes me sick.  Just look at the women's program at Cabrini.    That's funny,  John Dzik hired Bobbi Morgan.

Wake up AD before it is too late!  I know you are not paying a big salary for this product.   

PACman20---- I can see the writing on the wall.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 11, 2006, 10:46:03 PM
  Exclude Saleem Brown from the sinking coaching staff at Cabrini.  It is not his fault.   

Go Crusaders! !
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 11, 2006, 10:53:39 PM

Institutional neglect at its best ! !

Power struggles & selfish people without heart at Cabrini ! !

The rest of the PAC however seems more positive.  The parity is making for anyone to win on any night if the right circumstances occur.

Neumann will destroy Cabrini ! ! 
Come on MACHucka-- get those guys in the weight room ! !

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 12, 2006, 07:21:36 AM
Whoa WolfPAC...taking us to page 21 all by yourself there?

Quote from: chizwiz on December 11, 2006, 02:15:14 PM
What's a fun team any night?  Nothing really comes to mind.  Maybe Wesley or GMC.  I would like to say EU, but they can lay an egg against crappy teams every once in a while.

If fun is the adjective I'd add a few more teams to the lineup, namely Neumann and Alvernia...and feel free to say EU, any team can lay an egg, it's the nature of D3 basketball.

Nice work on the player list, chizwiz, I'm looking forward to seeing if all the EU players fit their descriptions.  Just "good all-conference" for Garrett Etzel...he's gonna be so bummed.  I would say its more like streaky shooter (but then again, aren't they all) with great range, often outsized, rarely outworked, never intimidated.

Then I would add a few more Vern names to your Who To Watch list.

Terrence Shawell - So. forward - (12/11 - PAC Player of the Week) again with the shooter thing, athletic, long reach, great rebounder seems to float off the floor while gravity affects others around him.

Matt King - Fr. forwad - similar to your Mike Johnson description.  Torched Baldwin-Wallace for 24...points seem to add up quicker for him than most others.

Tyrone Bradley - So. center - you need to watch him for more than just one single game to appreciate the work and hustle...he's currently on pace to finish the season with more rebounds than points (that's a compliment!).

You can take my word for it on these players or come out and see the Crusaders in person either at Albright this Saturday or home versus Franklin & Marshall next Tuesday.

WolfPAC, now that you have defected from the Darkside, there's always a seat for you in the PEC.  Come early and grab some noon-time hoops action, Coach Berger is always looking for his next big challenge.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 12, 2006, 08:25:52 AM
Quote from: PacMan20 on December 11, 2006, 11:22:10 AM
Former Pac rookie of the year Jeff Dailey was removed from the team because he had doubts about returning to Cabrini.  When he called the coach to try and set up a meeting, the coaches response was Jeff had already made his decision to leave and he hung the phone up on his best returning player. 


If what I read is true about Jeff Dailey, shame on the Cabrini College staff and the institution for letting that happen. Not only is Jeff a talented player, but also a great person that any program would be happy to have! He worked his butt off in HS, and to get PAC rookie of the year says something about his talent. I hope that he continues to play basketball somewhere, though I haven't heard where he is at. Is he still at Cabrini as a student? Maybe he was too much of a Dzik style player :P
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on December 12, 2006, 09:27:15 AM
Coach K

Unfortunately, that story is completely true. I would reveal my source(s), but unfortunately I dont want to throw names around on a chat board.  Jeff attended a community college by his house in the fall and it set to attend East Stroudsburg in the spring.  As far as basketball, I'm not sure what his plans are for ES
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: allstar scout on December 12, 2006, 11:38:01 AM
Regarding Cabrini:

Your beef should be with the schools administration not with the head coach or the coaching staff! There was a decision to make a change, which I might add had nothing to do with the new headcoach or his staff! The decision was made and so was the change for whatever reason. All coaches know that some day they will be let go, it is part of the job. Few coaches get to stay the majority of their career at the same place. Coach Dzik is gone! Get over it!

Now on to the new staff, do you know the new coach or his assistants? I think a responsible person would try to get to know them before you bash them. Maybe you should ask some questions about the staff and their qualifications you never know you might learn something, they might have a solid coaching background. They may have come from a winning program somewhere else or at a different level?

As far as the wins and losses the team has a lot of talent and has fallen because of youth and inexperience. Did you know there are 9 new players to the team? Did you know that many are true freshman along with 2 transfers? Also that only Randy Reid started or played significant minutes last year?
Bruce McClelland and Greg Clifton only saw increased playing time in the last ten games last season.

Just some points you should consider before ripping the coaches and the team!

If you know anything about sports, then you should know the toughest win for a young team is the first win by a narrow margin! Once they get the first and understand what they need to do the wins start coming. This is indeed a young team and a talented one don't turn your back on them they will be a factor if they learn how to win the close one!

And in closing don't live in the past with John Dzik, he was a good coach, did a good job at Cabrini and now he is gone and the AD at Piedmont College. He is gone and the program moves on so should you! Give it up stop the bashing if you are a true Cabrini supporter or fan get behind the team don't root against them.

Just my take on things.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 12, 2006, 12:07:19 PM
Quote from: Jon on December 12, 2006, 07:21:36 AM
Whoa WolfPAC...taking us to page 21 all by yourself there?

Quote from: chizwiz on December 11, 2006, 02:15:14 PM
What's a fun team any night?  Nothing really comes to mind.  Maybe Wesley or GMC.  I would like to say EU, but they can lay an egg against crappy teams every once in a while.

If fun is the adjective I'd add a few more teams to the lineup, namely Neumann and Alvernia...and feel free to say EU, any team can lay an egg, it's the nature of D3 basketball.

Nice work on the player list, chizwiz, I'm looking forward to seeing if all the EU players fit their descriptions.  Just "good all-conference" for Garrett Etzel...he's gonna be so bummed.  I would say its more like streaky shooter (but then again, aren't they all) with great range, often outsized, rarely outworked, never intimidated.

Then I would add a few more Vern names to your Who To Watch list.

Terrence Shawell - So. forward - (12/11 - PAC Player of the Week) again with the shooter thing, athletic, long reach, great rebounder seems to float off the floor while gravity affects others around him.

Matt King - Fr. forwad - similar to your Mike Johnson description.  Torched Baldwin-Wallace for 24...points seem to add up quicker for him than most others.

Tyrone Bradley - So. center - you need to watch him for more than just one single game to appreciate the work and hustle...he's currently on pace to finish the season with more rebounds than points (that's a compliment!).

You can take my word for it on these players or come out and see the Crusaders in person either at Albright this Saturday or home versus Franklin & Marshall next Tuesday.

WolfPAC, now that you have defected from the Darkside, there's always a seat for you in the PEC.  Come early and grab some noon-time hoops action, Coach Berger is always looking for his next big challenge.

Jon,

Thanks for the compliment.  I definitely should have included Alvernia in that "fun" list.  I respectfully disagree with you on including Neumann in that, as they are so very undisciplined and can start looking like high school basketball.  However, when they play Neumann, it is usually a "more than fun" game to watch.

Difficult two games in store for Vern with great coaches at Albright and F&M.  I hope they win.  God knows we need more quality wins in this conference.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 12, 2006, 12:14:08 PM
Quote from: Coach K on December 12, 2006, 08:25:52 AM
Quote from: PacMan20 on December 11, 2006, 11:22:10 AM
Former Pac rookie of the year Jeff Dailey was removed from the team because he had doubts about returning to Cabrini.  When he called the coach to try and set up a meeting, the coaches response was Jeff had already made his decision to leave and he hung the phone up on his best returning player. 


If what I read is true about Jeff Dailey, shame on the Cabrini College staff and the institution for letting that happen. Not only is Jeff a talented player, but also a great person that any program would be happy to have! He worked his butt off in HS, and to get PAC rookie of the year says something about his talent. I hope that he continues to play basketball somewhere, though I haven't heard where he is at. Is he still at Cabrini as a student? Maybe he was too much of a Dzik style player :P

Coach K, I think we're going to have to take PacMan20's word for it.  I have a feeling that there is at least some truth to it, though, from what I know about Macciocca.  I think people have been giving him too much credit because he walked into a bad situation and needed some grace and time.  However, he is proving that he is not prepared for a head coaching job.  Unfortunately, if and when the geniuses in his admin. ever decide to replace him, they will have serious problems getting somebody good unless they change their pay/duties structure.  I don't really think they care either way, though.

On Jeff Dailey, what a shame.  I think he will end up playing basketball somewhere and soon.  He seems like a guy who truly had a passion for the game and won't be able to watch from the stands for long.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 12, 2006, 12:34:05 PM
Quote from: Jon on December 12, 2006, 07:21:36 AM
Whoa WolfPAC...taking us to page 21 all by yourself there?

Quote from: chizwiz on December 11, 2006, 02:15:14 PM
What's a fun team any night?  Nothing really comes to mind.  Maybe Wesley or GMC.  I would like to say EU, but they can lay an egg against crappy teams every once in a while.

If fun is the adjective I'd add a few more teams to the lineup, namely Neumann and Alvernia...and feel free to say EU, any team can lay an egg, it's the nature of D3 basketball.

Nice work on the player list, chizwiz, I'm looking forward to seeing if all the EU players fit their descriptions.  Just "good all-conference" for Garrett Etzel...he's gonna be so bummed.  I would say its more like streaky shooter (but then again, aren't they all) with great range, often outsized, rarely outworked, never intimidated.

Then I would add a few more Vern names to your Who To Watch list.

Terrence Shawell - So. forward - (12/11 - PAC Player of the Week) again with the shooter thing, athletic, long reach, great rebounder seems to float off the floor while gravity affects others around him.

Matt King - Fr. forwad - similar to your Mike Johnson description.  Torched Baldwin-Wallace for 24...points seem to add up quicker for him than most others.

Tyrone Bradley - So. center - you need to watch him for more than just one single game to appreciate the work and hustle...he's currently on pace to finish the season with more rebounds than points (that's a compliment!).

You can take my word for it on these players or come out and see the Crusaders in person either at Albright this Saturday or home versus Franklin & Marshall next Tuesday.

WolfPAC, now that you have defected from the Darkside, there's always a seat for you in the PEC.  Come early and grab some noon-time hoops action, Coach Berger is always looking for his next big challenge.

Jon,

I might have misspoke on Etzel.  Definitely down-played him.  Regionally, I don't think he's going to do much, maybe 3rd or 2nd team.  That all depends, IMHO, on team wins at the end of the year.  I do think he is the best PG in the conference, hands down.

Shawell is a good player.  I think he needs to prove himself still.  Tore up Wesley in the second half.  Seen him in two games this year.

Ditto on King and Bradley.  Wouldn't mind having Bradley at EU.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 12, 2006, 12:52:20 PM
Quote from: allstar scout on December 12, 2006, 11:38:01 AM
Regarding Cabrini:

Your beef should be with the schools administration not with the head coach or the coaching staff! There was a decision to make a change, which I might add had nothing to do with the new headcoach or his staff! The decision was made and so was the change for whatever reason. All coaches know that some day they will be let go, it is part of the job. Few coaches get to stay the majority of their career at the same place. Coach Dzik is gone! Get over it!

Now on to the new staff, do you know the new coach or his assistants? I think a responsible person would try to get to know them before you bash them. Maybe you should ask some questions about the staff and their qualifications you never know you might learn something, they might have a solid coaching background. They may have come from a winning program somewhere else or at a different level?

As far as the wins and losses the team has a lot of talent and has fallen because of youth and inexperience. Did you know there are 9 new players to the team? Did you know that many are true freshman along with 2 transfers? Also that only Randy Reid started or played significant minutes last year?
Bruce McClelland and Greg Clifton only saw increased playing time in the last ten games last season.

Just some points you should consider before ripping the coaches and the team!

If you know anything about sports, then you should know the toughest win for a young team is the first win by a narrow margin! Once they get the first and understand what they need to do the wins start coming. This is indeed a young team and a talented one don't turn your back on them they will be a factor if they learn how to win the close one!

And in closing don't live in the past with John Dzik, he was a good coach, did a good job at Cabrini and now he is gone and the AD at Piedmont College. He is gone and the program moves on so should you! Give it up stop the bashing if you are a true Cabrini supporter or fan get behind the team don't root against them.

Just my take on things.



AllStar Scout,

Do you really scout college basketball, or is this just a name you gave yourself?  Because I do, and I love watching good coaches.  People ask me how I can be a UNC and Duke fan at the same time.  My answer is that I love watching both coaches.

I know a good coach when I see one and I know a bad one.  Macciocca has had time to prove some of his worth.  As a recruiter, he might be good.  As a coach of CURRENT players, he isn't.  How and why he let McMahon, Dailey, and Fitzgerald go, only they know.  But, we do know some of the circumstances and they aren't too complimentary of him.

By the way, I have every reason to hate Cabrini because I am an EU guy, but I didn't hate them because of Dzik being a great coach.  I now am able to fully hate Cabrini, and not because of them firing Dzik, but because I don't like their coach.  I have worked alongside Macciocca sufficiently to say this.  (I know this is giving myself up.)

Let's get to the facts.  I'm hoping you can bring yours, as you really don't seem to have any, but unoriginal, year-old gripes.

First, the team has not fallen because of youth and inexperience.  They fell because he removed his veterans with experience.

Here's something you might find interesting.  I did.  Go to the local Nordstrom's to shop for a suit.  When talking to the guy there, let me know if you see much of a difference between him and the guy pumping your gas at the gas station.  Not much difference when you get that low in the pecking order, huh?  Well, a certain coach from Radnor seems to think he is better than gas-station attendants when he tells a then-current player "one day you will be pumping gas for me". 

I have my source and I stand behind it.  (Hint: I know both Dailey and Fitzgerald.)

By the way, would you take coaching advice from a department store suit salesman?

Second, watch Macciocca in time-outs.  If he doesn't remind you of a deer-in-the-headlights, then you haven't been driving in Pennsylvania much.  Call me next time he actually calls a set during a TO and we'll throw a party.  I'll throw in a free case of Schlitt's Malt if the set responds to the current defense being shown.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: allstar scout on December 12, 2006, 03:04:13 PM
Chiz:

I do not know what Nordstroms has to do with the conversation but, if he was a lawyer, doctor, dentist, sales manager, police officer would it matter in regards to his coaching. And since everyone knows the position is part time doesn't he have to do something to make more money correct? By the way since you are an EU guy and the coaches occupations matter to you, what do the staff at EU do besides coaching? And does it matter?

Anyway my point about the staff is do you know their backgrounds? From what I understand he has a couple of good basketball people on his staff. But DIII is no different than any other level assdistant coaches are there to give input not make decisions. I think you will agree with that statement.

And finally I know Jim Mac, Jeff, Colin, Vic and Dom. And I am involved in the game.

Watch out for this team if and once they win a close game! I believe the other teams in the PAC will be in trouble. This team has some very talented players!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on December 12, 2006, 05:53:14 PM
In response to your post earlier. I actually do have some idea whats going on with the program. Thats why I posted my thoughts, because I feel I am informed about the situation.  I do see your point where your coming from with your posting. I agree that the John Dzik era is over. However I just feel that the school made a mistake in the hiring of the current coach. At the time even though the position was part time I feel like their had to be someone more qualified.  Lets not forget, just a mere 5 years ago Cabrini was the class of the conference.  I also agree we need to put coaches personal lives ( I.E. where they work, etc.) aside.

I agree the returning players at Cabrini are talented, but I just dont really see much coming out of this years recruiting class in the near future.  My point with the players that have left the program is that their would not be nearly as much of a burden placed on the younger players of Cabrini if some or all of those veterans were still there. 


On another note can someone fill me in on whats going on over at Arcadia?  Last year they were a much improved team and if I remember correctly were pretty young.  I expected them to be one of the better returning teams to the PAC this year.  Are they back to being a bottom feeder again or is it the result of losing close games? Just wondering if anyone has seen them play yet.

In response to the strength of the PAC.  In my opinion the conference is better than last year but not by much.  There is no full fledged powerhouse in the conference this year as in years past.  In addition I feel like teams such as misercordia, marywood, immaculata, neumann, and even eastern have shown some improvement in the early going.  With the solid coaching staff at alvernia, i figured they would rebound from the significant graduation losses.   In addition i feel like the team to beat down the stretch is going to be gwynedd. There is just something that can be said for a backcourt that has started together for at least 3 years (maybe 4- not sure). Any basketball person will tell you that veteran guard play wins big games down the stretch.

I really dont care who wins the PAC this year as long as it isnt Wesley.  I would hate to see them represent us in the NCAA tourney as they get ready to leave the conference.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 12, 2006, 06:51:47 PM
Quote from: allstar scout on December 12, 2006, 11:38:01 AM
Regarding Cabrini:

Your beef should be with the schools administration not with the head coach or the coaching staff! There was a decision to make a change, which I might add had nothing to do with the new headcoach or his staff! The decision was made and so was the change for whatever reason. All coaches know that some day they will be let go, it is part of the job. Few coaches get to stay the majority of their career at the same place. Coach Dzik is gone! Get over it!

Now on to the new staff, do you know the new coach or his assistants? I think a responsible person would try to get to know them before you bash them. Maybe you should ask some questions about the staff and their qualifications you never know you might learn something, they might have a solid coaching background. They may have come from a winning program somewhere else or at a different level?

As far as the wins and losses the team has a lot of talent and has fallen because of youth and inexperience. Did you know there are 9 new players to the team? Did you know that many are true freshman along with 2 transfers? Also that only Randy Reid started or played significant minutes last year?
Bruce McClelland and Greg Clifton only saw increased playing time in the last ten games last season.

Just some points you should consider before ripping the coaches and the team!

If you know anything about sports, then you should know the toughest win for a young team is the first win by a narrow margin! Once they get the first and understand what they need to do the wins start coming. This is indeed a young team and a talented one don't turn your back on them they will be a factor if they learn how to win the close one!

And in closing don't live in the past with John Dzik, he was a good coach, did a good job at Cabrini and now he is gone and the AD at Piedmont College. He is gone and the program moves on so should you! Give it up stop the bashing if you are a true Cabrini supporter or fan get behind the team don't root against them.

Just my take on things.



Well,  I have probably been around the Cavs before you were born.  The first day Dzik put foot on campus I was there.

Never missed a home game in 25 and a half years. 

Now however, I don't think you understand.... its not about bashing anyone.  Realize Cabrini basketball does not exist.   I could really care less whether they win or lose anymore.  It is ashame for the men who play there butts off --- you must thank the president for the fall of the Cavs!

Otherwise who cares about them now.  The only thing to care about is the lost legacy of Dzik.   The future of Cabrini is cursed.  Waiting for the college to go back to all women soon enough.    When will they get a baseball team?    Dzik tried for years but it isn't happening yet.   Horrible how that president takes all the credit for the new lacrosse field as well. 

START TRANSFERRING TO ALVERNIA.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on December 12, 2006, 09:05:11 PM
I am a Dzik supporter and always will be, and I will never again root for Cabrini.  That said I feel I must defend the current coach even though I don't know him at all. 

It is extremely difficult to replace someone as good as John Dzik, and to compare him is unfair.  Secondly, he is part-time, and reality that means full-time work but part-time pay, and before anyone says but Dzik was part-time when he started that's true but the amount of quality programs was not nearly as great as it is today.  Finally, it is the present coach's team and
he may feel those players who left didn't fit his style of play

Do I think he is as good as Coach Dzik?  I don't know.  But IF he is half as good as Dzik Cabrini has a decent coach.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on December 12, 2006, 09:42:41 PM
Where oh where to start.....................

All Star Scout: who exactly are the good basketball people that are on the Cabrini staff.  Not exactly the cream of the crop.  They definitely helped bring in a stud recruiting class. That was sarcasm in case you missed it.  I am beating a dead horse, but its obvious that the team is completely unprepared and the coach has no idea. I dont care if he is replacing a legend or not.

Heatlee: I have to disagree on the part-time issue.  The coach knew exactly what he was getting into when he took the position.  He knew it was part time all along so I do not buy that as an excuse.  Anyone that has ever been involved with coaching at this level realizes that 99% of the coaches due it because of their love of the game not to make a living off of it.  It is tougher, but not impossible.  An experienced coaching staff might be one answer for helping with the necessary jobs of recruiting and scouting other teams.

In response to the question that maybe those players do not fit the coaches style of play.  I have to disagree with this statement.  Any good coach will tell you that the most important thing is to play to the strength and style of play that will help your team win most.  To take a team that has very few scoring options and stress trying to score 100 points a game is clearly unrealistic.  This is not to say that he cant recruit his type of player and play that way down the road, but unfortunately the 35 point per game stud scorers arent coming to the Cabrinis or any other team in the PAC for that matter anytime soon.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 13, 2006, 10:36:09 AM
Okay, let's nip this part-time / full-time thing in the bud before that gets rolling again...I think we all had our fill of that conversation last season.

Good question about Arcadia...I haven't seen the Scarlet Knights play yet either in person or on tape, so I have no idea what's going on there.  Arcadia is losing mostly close games.  The only double-digit loss is to Eastern, and the box score indicates the Eagles were smoking on that night (52 percent from the floor and a hefty 56 percent effort from the arc).  There are a few outfits I'm eager to see play and you can put Arcadia and Eastern both on that list.

Still a disturbing number of one-win teams at the bottom of the standings.  We're going to need some quality non-conference wins over the semester break here to prove any kind of improvement as a conference.

Quote from: PacMan20 on December 12, 2006, 09:42:41 PM
This is not to say that he cant recruit his type of player and play that way down the road, but unfortunately the 35 point per game stud scorers arent coming to the Cabrinis or any other team in the PAC for that matter anytime soon.

Not sure the 35-point scorers are going anywhere right now.  NCAA stats indicate only two 30-plus players last year, one was a product of a system @ Grinnell and the other was Lincoln senior Kyle Myrick, who paced the nation at 33.7 per game (speaking of bud-nipping, please don't allow that reference to start any Sami Wylie talk here...that conversation is in mid-season form on the Bumbling B's board).

Not exactly a beefed up PAC schedule over the next week or so.  I, obviously, recommend either Alvernia game, and maybe Arcadia @ Chestnut Hill or Shippensburg @ Neumann later in the month.  Sorry Misericordia @ Wilkes, not sure I can drum up too much interest two days before Christmas...a man's gotta shop sometime.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 13, 2006, 12:14:41 PM
Quote from: Jon on December 13, 2006, 10:36:09 AM
Okay, let's nip this part-time / full-time thing in the bud before that gets rolling again...I think we all had our fill of that conversation last season.

Good question about Arcadia...I haven't seen the Scarlet Knights play yet either in person or on tape, so I have no idea what's going on there.  Arcadia is losing mostly close games.  The only double-digit loss is to Eastern, and the box score indicates the Eagles were smoking on that night (52 percent from the floor and a hefty 56 percent effort from the arc).  There are a few outfits I'm eager to see play and you can put Arcadia and Eastern both on that list.

Still a disturbing number of one-win teams at the bottom of the standings.  We're going to need some quality non-conference wins over the semester break here to prove any kind of improvement as a conference.

Quote from: PacMan20 on December 12, 2006, 09:42:41 PM
This is not to say that he cant recruit his type of player and play that way down the road, but unfortunately the 35 point per game stud scorers arent coming to the Cabrinis or any other team in the PAC for that matter anytime soon.

Not sure the 35-point scorers are going anywhere right now.  NCAA stats indicate only two 30-plus players last year, one was a product of a system @ Grinnell and the other was Lincoln senior Kyle Myrick, who paced the nation at 33.7 per game (speaking of bud-nipping, please don't allow that reference to start any Sami Wylie talk here...that conversation is in mid-season form on the Bumbling B's board).

Not exactly a beefed up PAC schedule over the next week or so.  I, obviously, recommend either Alvernia game, and maybe Arcadia @ Chestnut Hill or Shippensburg @ Neumann later in the month.  Sorry Misericordia @ Wilkes, not sure I can drum up too much interest two days before Christmas...a man's gotta shop sometime.

Jon,

I'm totally in agreement with you that this part-time/full-time thing w/ Cabrini needs to end now.  My points had little or nothing to do with it.  It is obvious that Macciocca supporters (who need to get their brains checked or schedule a lobotomy reversal) don't have any logical argument to support their coach.  Anyway, I think the horse here has been beaten down to the bones.

Arcadia is an okay team.  They will probably finish in the middle of the PAC.  However, Eastern's shooting against them didn't matter.  EU just beat them on offense because of patient play and good shot choices.  I was at the game, and for some reason, Arcadia just wasn't getting hands in faces when shots went up.  And we all know that EU has good shooters, and when good shooters are allowed to shoot open shots, it's going to get ugly quickly.  I did notice that Arcadia was very tired.  They didn't seem to be getting back quickly as EU pushed the ball on every rebound.  (This is more of a chicken/egg argument here.)

You are correct on the 35 point comment.  The best teams in D3 have rarely needed such production.  I'm not going to address the "Running Game" offense made popular by the Redlands and Grinnells, which is eaten alive by good defense and low turnovers, but the Sam Wylie's and their teams are destined to lose in the second and third rounds as teams decide to stop him and challenge his teammates to make up the difference.  Only a few offensive greats could ever beat tough D, guys like Jordan, Wade, Magic, Wilt, Bird.  I don't think we see many of these in D3, much less the PAC.  Actually, the last guy like this in our league was probably the guy (whose name escapes me) from Miseri who graduated in '03.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 13, 2006, 12:16:41 PM
Quote from: Jon on December 13, 2006, 10:36:09 AM
Okay, let's nip this part-time / full-time thing in the bud before that gets rolling again...I think we all had our fill of that conversation last season.

Good question about Arcadia...I haven't seen the Scarlet Knights play yet either in person or on tape, so I have no idea what's going on there.  Arcadia is losing mostly close games.  The only double-digit loss is to Eastern, and the box score indicates the Eagles were smoking on that night (52 percent from the floor and a hefty 56 percent effort from the arc).  There are a few outfits I'm eager to see play and you can put Arcadia and Eastern both on that list.

Still a disturbing number of one-win teams at the bottom of the standings.  We're going to need some quality non-conference wins over the semester break here to prove any kind of improvement as a conference.

Quote from: PacMan20 on December 12, 2006, 09:42:41 PM
This is not to say that he cant recruit his type of player and play that way down the road, but unfortunately the 35 point per game stud scorers arent coming to the Cabrinis or any other team in the PAC for that matter anytime soon.

Not sure the 35-point scorers are going anywhere right now.  NCAA stats indicate only two 30-plus players last year, one was a product of a system @ Grinnell and the other was Lincoln senior Kyle Myrick, who paced the nation at 33.7 per game (speaking of bud-nipping, please don't allow that reference to start any Sami Wylie talk here...that conversation is in mid-season form on the Bumbling B's board).

Not exactly a beefed up PAC schedule over the next week or so.  I, obviously, recommend either Alvernia game, and maybe Arcadia @ Chestnut Hill or Shippensburg @ Neumann later in the month.  Sorry Misericordia @ Wilkes, not sure I can drum up too much interest two days before Christmas...a man's gotta shop sometime.

BTW, Jon, the Miseri/Wilkes and Neumann/Shipp games might be pretty good games to make, but I think you are a little off with the Arcadia/Chestnut Hill prediction.  Two teams that are not doing much.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 13, 2006, 12:30:50 PM
chizwiz,

I don't anticipate a barnburner at Chestnut Hill, I was just looking for a reasonable opportunity to catch Arcadia in action.

Willie Chandler would be the name of the Misericordia sharp shooter...his 51-point quadruple overtime effort at the PEC is a frequently retold story on midday trips to Rosa's Pizza Place here in Shillington.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 13, 2006, 12:47:42 PM
Quote from: allstar scout on December 12, 2006, 03:04:13 PM
Chiz:

I do not know what Nordstroms has to do with the conversation but, if he was a lawyer, doctor, dentist, sales manager, police officer would it matter in regards to his coaching. And since everyone knows the position is part time doesn't he have to do something to make more money correct? By the way since you are an EU guy and the coaches occupations matter to you, what do the staff at EU do besides coaching? And does it matter?

Anyway my point about the staff is do you know their backgrounds? From what I understand he has a couple of good basketball people on his staff. But DIII is no different than any other level assdistant coaches are there to give input not make decisions. I think you will agree with that statement.

And finally I know Jim Mac, Jeff, Colin, Vic and Dom. And I am involved in the game.

Watch out for this team if and once they win a close game! I believe the other teams in the PAC will be in trouble. This team has some very talented players!

AllStar Spout,

You're correct.  It doesn't matter what the coaches do for their bread and butter.  But it sure is funny.  My question is, if Macciocca's profession of choice is men's fashion, why is it that he gets outdressed (as well as out-coached) at most games.  Just my opinion.  By the way, get off the "do we know about their backgrounds" thing.  Sports is only about "what have you done for me lately".  Give Coach Nadelhoffer a call if you like.  I'm sure he will be able to tell you his other jobs.  To reach him at his desk, call:  610-341-1454.  This is a public number that can be found on the internet.

You are correct on the talent thing.  But talent and execution are two different things.  Just ask the St. Louis Rams of a few years ago, when they thought they should win the Super Bowl.

It's also great that you know the boys I mentioned, but you avoided my point.  Ask them and they can confirm what we all have said about Macciocca's treatment of them.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on December 13, 2006, 01:07:59 PM
Who is responsible for the scheduling of games?  Is it the athletic department or head coaches.  I ask this question because one particular team had a game scheduled last night during finals week.  The teams 2 best players could not have their final rescheduled so they ended up missing just about the whole first half of this road game.

My point is that this athletic department and or coach doesnt seem to have a clue scheduling a road game in the middle of finals week when the rest of division 3 is taking off. Secondly I understand that education is important and it is the main goal with athletics coming second.  However that being said why wasnt there something resolved with the teacher to have the final at a different time.  Seems kind of rediculous to me. 

IN the words of a coaching legend. ( I cant say who.) "This guy, he just doesnt get it"
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 13, 2006, 01:30:27 PM
Quote from: Jon on December 13, 2006, 12:30:50 PM
chizwiz,

I don't anticipate a barnburner at Chestnut Hill, I was just looking for a reasonable opportunity to catch Arcadia in action.

Willie Chandler would be the name of the Misericordia sharp shooter...his 51-point quadruple overtime effort at the PEC is a frequently retold story on midday trips to Rosa's Pizza Place here in Shillington.

Jon,

Didn't mean to unnecessarily argue.  Since Chestnut Hill and Arcadia are somwhat close in talent/etc., that should be an okay game to look at Arcadia's talents.

Man I wish I could have seen Chandler's 51 point performance.  You are lucky if you saw it.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 13, 2006, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: PacMan20 on December 13, 2006, 01:07:59 PM
Who is responsible for the scheduling of games?  Is it the athletic department or head coaches.  I ask this question because one particular team had a game scheduled last night during finals week.  The teams 2 best players could not have their final rescheduled so they ended up missing just about the whole first half of this road game.

My point is that this athletic department and or coach doesnt seem to have a clue scheduling a road game in the middle of finals week when the rest of division 3 is taking off. Secondly I understand that education is important and it is the main goal with athletics coming second.  However that being said why wasnt there something resolved with the teacher to have the final at a different time.  Seems kind of rediculous to me. 

IN the words of a coaching legend. ( I cant say who.) "This guy, he just doesnt get it"

PacMan20,

I can speak on this since I have worked in athletics administration.  Normally, it is up to the coach to decide when and who he plays (out of conference).  Also, he can reschedule conference games if the opposing team agrees to any proposed changes.  It is important to note that this power to schedule is given by the AD.  If the AD wants to schedule it, it will usually be done by the Assistant AD, or, in big programs (not usually D3), by the Director of Basketball Operations (who would probably be corresponding with and/or under the supervision of the coach).

In this instance, I must say that we should give the coach (I can only assume you are speaking of Macciocca) a break.  There are a lot of factors that would have been tough for him to see or fix.  He was probably working on this schedule around this time (if he's on the ball) for the following year's schedule.  If so, he wouldn't have known that a finals week game was a bad idea.  There are other teams in the conference who have played during finals week.  EU has done it and got the whole team to the game.

That being said, it is usually athletic department policy to not schedule games during finals weeks, as such problems you mentioned are common occurrences.  However, most schools have policies that allow the coach to basically write a note to the professor, requesting a separate test time for the athlete(s), and the prof must comply.  This isn't always the case.

The only thing that the coach could have done was ask all players to check their finals schedules beforehand.  If a player had a final (which it seems this coach's players did), the coach could have pushed through a change of date with the prof, even if there was no policy to allow for it.

I will say that a road game in the middle of finals week is very ill-advised.  I doubt this coach will make that same mistake again, but he has surprised me before with his "ill-advised" actions.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 13, 2006, 01:58:59 PM
Saw the Chandler performance from the crow's nest at the PEC...I must say that even though I haven't been around that long, I've seen some pretty spectacular basketball games and some equally impressive individuals.

Some of the games I am contractually obligated to never make mention of again.  If memory serves, the Chandler game was the final game of the regular season and was a victory needed for home court throughout the playoffs.  I've been treated to my share of buzzer beaters and late game heroics, and just about every Albright/Alvernia game is memorable for one reason or another.

I pity the fools who don't take the time to catch a good Division III game.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on December 13, 2006, 02:19:50 PM
I had the pleasure of witnessing most of Willie Chandler's performances - but I missed the 51-pointer.

The Misericordia/Wilkes contest will actually be the day after the Misericordia/King's game at the King's College Ramada Inn Classic.

Tough time of year - but with three of the four participants being within 20 minutes of each other, it might be interesting.

I'm glad it's not in my gym.

On another note, I can't argue that John Dzik's departure from Cabrini was a disaster.  However, that's no fault of the new coach. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: allstar scout on December 13, 2006, 02:53:06 PM
Lefty2:

Well spoken on the John Dzik situation. Anyone who has coached sports knows that you are here today and gone tommorrow!

I have been on both sides of the same situation, I have been replaced after an undefeated season because of a new Athletic Director and have been brought in by a new Athletic Director. Not a fun situation on either side especially if you are hired to replace a popular coach! There is a term that is quoted in these situations:

                                             ""NEW BROOM SWEEPS CLEAN"

I always think back to things famous successful coaches have said and heres one that all coaches and athletic directors should remember:

 
                 "It's what you learn after you know it all that counts." -- John Wooden 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 13, 2006, 03:05:33 PM
Yes, Willie Chandler was the man. He's gotten some pro time for the Valley Dawgs when they were in existance, does anyone know of his whereabouts now?

Coaches are hired to be fired unfortunately. I have been a part of a program where we have done everything but win, but unfortunately, the win-loss record is what people are most concerned about, regardless of what you are doing for the student-athletes or if you represent the institution you are coaching for in a responsible manner.

Miseri Wilkes is interesting, and I do my shopping on Dec. 24th Jon ;)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 13, 2006, 08:06:49 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 13, 2006, 12:47:42 PM
Quote from: allstar scout on December 12, 2006, 03:04:13 PM
Chiz:

I do not know what Nordstroms has to do with the conversation but, if he was a lawyer, doctor, dentist, sales manager, police officer would it matter in regards to his coaching. And since everyone knows the position is part time doesn't he have to do something to make more money correct? By the way since you are an EU guy and the coaches occupations matter to you, what do the staff at EU do besides coaching? And does it matter?

Anyway my point about the staff is do you know their backgrounds? From what I understand he has a couple of good basketball people on his staff. But DIII is no different than any other level assdistant coaches are there to give input not make decisions. I think you will agree with that statement.

And finally I know Jim Mac, Jeff, Colin, Vic and Dom. And I am involved in the game.

Watch out for this team if and once they win a close game! I believe the other teams in the PAC will be in trouble. This team has some very talented players!

AllStar Spout,

You're correct.  It doesn't matter what the coaches do for their bread and butter.  But it sure is funny.  My question is, if Macciocca's profession of choice is men's fashion, why is it that he gets outdressed (as well as out-coached) at most games.  Just my opinion.  By the way, get off the "do we know about their backgrounds" thing.  Sports is only about "what have you done for me lately".  Give Coach Nadelhoffer a call if you like.  I'm sure he will be able to tell you his other jobs.  To reach him at his desk, call:  610-341-1454.  This is a public number that can be found on the internet.

You are correct on the talent thing.  But talent and execution are two different things.  Just ask the St. Louis Rams of a few years ago, when they thought they should win the Super Bowl.

It's also great that you know the boys I mentioned, but you avoided my point.  Ask them and they can confirm what we all have said about Macciocca's treatment of them.



Nordstrom's! ! !   I hope you are kidding me..

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY????????

I AM DYING LAUGHING................

Also.... Matt N. is a good coach that would fit in at Cabrini.   
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 13, 2006, 08:09:26 PM
The McTamneys are also missed at Cabrini.

Heatlee..... you are to nice to MAChucka season ! !



Hey Jon,

Think Lincoln will play Alvernia this year?   
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 13, 2006, 08:36:09 PM
The only place for a Vern/Lincoln match-up will be the NCAA Tournament...other than that we'll have to play a little six degrees of separation with the two schedules.

Alvernia faced Rutgers-Camden in the season opener and Lincoln could face Rutgers-Camden in the Championship Game of the Cyrus D. Jones Invitational, or Alvernia will face F&M on Dec. 19 and Lincoln could face F&M in the Championship Game of the Diplomats' Rotary Tournament in early January.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 13, 2006, 10:28:46 PM
Thx Jon.


Go Crusaders!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: D3fan14 on December 14, 2006, 09:07:49 AM
"Nordstrom's! ! !   I hope you are kidding me..:"

Wolfpac - A man's job is different from his profession. What he does to provide for his family doesn't measure how much class he has.

You disgust me.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: allstar scout on December 14, 2006, 11:20:53 AM
The price of success is hard work, dedication to the job at hand, and the determination that whether we win or lose, we have applied the best of ourselves to the task at hand.~ Vince Lombardi
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 14, 2006, 05:50:13 PM
Quote from: D3fan14 on December 14, 2006, 09:07:49 AM
"Nordstrom's! ! !   I hope you are kidding me..:"

Wolfpac - A man's job is different from his profession. What he does to provide for his family doesn't measure how much class he has.

You disgust me.

If you are taking things personally,  you are correct! !
Although, if you live in Radnor you probably do not have to work anyway. Chill out unless your name is Machucka.
Now you know how if feels to see how Cabrini's basketball program made me disgusted  when I actually cared.  I could care less now though.

If he is a man these words wouldn't bother him anyway... what about the players he has offended with his style.  He won't last too long anyhow. How embarrassing for a school that was the crown jewel of the PAC!

The men's program is just a laughing stock in comparison to what it used to be....  hard to believe how fast the ship sunk.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 14, 2006, 05:58:16 PM
A MAN HAS TO DO WHAT HE HAS to DO......

IF IT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH  THERE IS THE DOOR..  SOME PEOPLE GOT IT AND SOME PEOPLE ONLY THINK THEY GOT IT in terms of coaching.

If the man feeds his family with his other job no matter what it is and it does not degrade him internally, then all the power to you and him.

The men I know make a living off of their professions though because they are good at what they do.... money follows one when one is great.

Seriously... a man must do what he must to pay the bills even if he does not like his job if he is not good at his profession.

Don't take things personally.....   slow down and you will live longer as well

Take it easy baby! !     I am gonna have some fun tonight!

Hope you are too d3fan14...

Jon understands.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 14, 2006, 06:01:39 PM
Quote from: allstar scout on December 14, 2006, 11:20:53 AM
The price of success is hard work, dedication to the job at hand, and the determination that whether we win or lose, we have applied the best of ourselves to the task at hand.~ Vince Lombardi


Totally agree! !

But my momma didn't raise me to be nobody's fool either...
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 14, 2006, 06:46:41 PM
Whoa Wolfy!!!  That post had more tangents than Geomemty III.  I might nominate that one for the Most Read Yet Least Understood Quote of the Year.

Quote from: WolfPAC on December 14, 2006, 05:58:16 PM
The men I know make a living off of their professions though because they are good at what they do.... money follows one when one is great.

Seriously... a man must do what he must to pay the bills even if he does not like his job if he is not good at his profession.

Forgive my editing liberties with your quotes here, but I'm still digesting the "make a living...because they are good at what they do" preceding "a man must do what he must...even...if he is not good at his profession."  I'm going to have to differ with you and say that Jon doesn't understand. (I just can't resist third person every once in a while).

Anybody up for some semester-break player awards?  Who has performed well to date in mostly non-conference games?  Who are the early favorites for all-conference first teamers?  Early predictions for conference playoff teams? 

Consider that my feeble attempt to reroute this coach-bashing train wreck back to the actual players.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on December 14, 2006, 08:34:18 PM
The person I feel bad for at Cabrini is their basketball manager Michael Mani.  For those of you that may not know he is the only senior associated with the program right now. (no Senior players)  During the 2002- 2003 season Coach John Dzik realized the biggest missing link from his program. It was that he did not have a top flight manager to help out the program.  So Coach Dzik began feverishly asking around to find out who he could bring in to fill the position.  Much to his surprise he received a surprise tip from a local basketball junkie (he remains anonymous to this day) about a stud manager that was a quiet kept secret not far away at local Radnor High School.  Well when Coach Dzik went to a Radnor game to talk to Michael he was surprised to see that both Coach K from Duke, Billy DOnovan from Florida and Tubby Smith from Kentucky were already in the building.  Somehow, John Dzik pulled it off and nabbed the only remaining unsigned to 25 manager left in the country.  If you dont believe me go to the 2002 version of Streets and Smith's rankings.  Michael said he always wanted to manage under a great coach such as John Dzik and it was his attention to go to Cabrini all along, even after Jay Wright got involved before he signed his letter of intent.  He could not be swayed.

Anyways Michael is just as upset with the program as the rest of us.  In talking to him the other day he told me he didnt come to cabrini to manage a 1-8 team and he is just as frustrated with the coach as the rest of the players.  He said the thrill of finally getting some team gear (he never received any during his junior year) has worn off. He said if something doesnt change then he is out.  WHat  a disappointing end to a stellar managing career. 

Michael Mani for honorary manager of the year!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 14, 2006, 09:07:37 PM
Now we are just getting to the Bizarre in the PAC chat room!! Can we talk about the teams, players, and matchups instead of who sells clothes at what store, or what jobs people have? Any thoughts on Albright vs. Alvernia this weekend?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 14, 2006, 09:19:03 PM
Now we're talking...Crusaders looking to get back on the winning track in the series with its cross town rival.  Alvernia won the first four, Albright the next four, and back to Alvernia for four more.  Albright snapped the last steak with a win last season, but the Crusaders certainly don't want to wait three more years for another victory in the series.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 14, 2006, 09:44:19 PM
Wow, I didn't realize both teams were so streaky in the series. Should be a good battle. I hope there is a good turnout for the game, as all the $$ is being donated to Coaches Vs. Cancer. I am going to try to make an effort to get out there myself. Those two teams never cheat you for effort in this rivalry!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 14, 2006, 10:43:36 PM
Quote from: PacMan20 on December 14, 2006, 08:34:18 PM
The person I feel bad for at Cabrini is their basketball manager Michael Mani.  For those of you that may not know he is the only senior associated with the program right now. (no Senior players)  During the 2002- 2003 season Coach John Dzik realized the biggest missing link from his program. It was that he did not have a top flight manager to help out the program.  So Coach Dzik began feverishly asking around to find out who he could bring in to fill the position.  Much to his surprise he received a surprise tip from a local basketball junkie (he remains anonymous to this day) about a stud manager that was a quiet kept secret not far away at local Radnor High School.  Well when Coach Dzik went to a Radnor game to talk to Michael he was surprised to see that both Coach K from Duke, Billy DOnovan from Florida and Tubby Smith from Kentucky were already in the building.  Somehow, John Dzik pulled it off and nabbed the only remaining unsigned to 25 manager left in the country.  If you dont believe me go to the 2002 version of Streets and Smith's rankings.  Michael said he always wanted to manage under a great coach such as John Dzik and it was his attention to go to Cabrini all along, even after Jay Wright got involved before he signed his letter of intent.  He could not be swayed.

Anyways Michael is just as upset with the program as the rest of us.  In talking to him the other day he told me he didnt come to cabrini to manage a 1-8 team and he is just as frustrated with the coach as the rest of the players.  He said the thrill of finally getting some team gear (he never received any during his junior year) has worn off. He said if something doesnt change then he is out.  WHat  a disappointing end to a stellar managing career. 

Michael Mani for honorary manager of the year!


Goes to show John Dzik knew it all!    Bob McCartney the assistant AD at Immaculata was a Dzik pick too.  The McTamney's at Eastern with their connections in the Catholic leagues as well seems the PAC is benefiting from the Cabrini debacle.

Sorry for you Michael..... the president of the college is to blame :(
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 14, 2006, 10:45:41 PM
Alvernia will beat Albright.

Albright is down slightly this year.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 14, 2006, 10:57:48 PM
Any predictions about what will happen at the Cabrini Scranton game ?

Does anyone think the Cavs can turn it around with MaChucka at the helm or will the team start destructing with each passing game?

Alvernia has the recruiting pipeline to Chester easily now with the way the administration squelched the financial aid packages at Cabrini! !
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: allstar scout on December 15, 2006, 08:23:13 AM
Something for all coaches to remember!



"The more you lose, the more positive you have to become. When you're winning, you can ride players harder because their self-esteem is high. If you are losing and you try to be tough, you're asking for dissension." -- Rick Pitino
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: allstar scout on December 15, 2006, 08:48:53 AM
PACMAN20:  DID THEY TAKE YOU OFF OF YOUR MEDICINE OR ARE YOU BACK DRINKING THE PUNCH AGAIN ?



Quote
Quote from: PacMan20 on December 14, 2006, 08:34:18 PM
The person I feel bad for at Cabrini is their basketball manager Michael Mani.  For those of you that may not know he is the only senior associated with the program right now. (no Senior players)  During the 2002- 2003 season Coach John Dzik realized the biggest missing link from his program. It was that he did not have a top flight manager to help out the program.  So Coach Dzik began feverishly asking around to find out who he could bring in to fill the position.  Much to his surprise he received a surprise tip from a local basketball junkie (he remains anonymous to this day) about a stud manager that was a quiet kept secret not far away at local Radnor High School.  Well when Coach Dzik went to a Radnor game to talk to Michael he was surprised to see that both Coach K from Duke, Billy DOnovan from Florida and Tubby Smith from Kentucky were already in the building.  Somehow, John Dzik pulled it off and nabbed the only remaining unsigned to 25 manager left in the country.  If you dont believe me go to the 2002 version of Streets and Smith's rankings.  Michael said he always wanted to manage under a great coach such as John Dzik and it was his attention to go to Cabrini all along, even after Jay Wright got involved before he signed his letter of intent.  He could not be swayed.

Anyways Michael is just as upset with the program as the rest of us.  In talking to him the other day he told me he didnt come to cabrini to manage a 1-8 team and he is just as frustrated with the coach as the rest of the players.  He said the thrill of finally getting some team gear (he never received any during his junior year) has worn off. He said if something doesnt change then he is out.  WHat  a disappointing end to a stellar managing career. 

Michael Mani for honorary manager of the year!


YOU FORGOT BOB KNIGHT  ::)


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 15, 2006, 10:33:58 AM
Quote from: allstar scout on December 14, 2006, 11:20:53 AM
The price of success is hard work, dedication to the job at hand, and the determination that whether we win or lose, we have applied the best of ourselves to the task at hand.~ Vince Lombardi

All Star,

This is a great quote! Where did Pitino say that from (book? interview?) I just want to know so I can look it up! Thanks!!

Go Crusaders!!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on December 15, 2006, 10:44:25 AM
Allstar Scout

Every once in a while I like to put a little comic relief out there.  Ive become aware that I have some people reading my work(but they dont know its me) so i just figured to give those familiar with the situation a little laugh.  And yes I like the occasional cold beverage
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 15, 2006, 11:29:14 AM
Since I just gave out an office phone # for a coach, I thought I'd make friends with all the PAC coaches by giving out all their numbers (which, btw, can be easily accessed through the school's athletic website and looking at the staff directory).

Wesley - Kobasa - 302-736-2555
Neumann - Stitzel - 610-361-5227
Miseri - Woodruff - 570-674-6317
Marywood - Grundman - 570-961-4724 x2516
Immac - Chadwin - 610-647-4400 x3739
Gwynedd - Baron - 215-646-7300 x179
Cabrini - Macciocca - 610-902-1011
Arcadia - Dorney - 215-572-2976
Alvernia - Miller - 610-796-8471
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 15, 2006, 11:32:02 AM
Quote from: Jon on December 14, 2006, 09:19:03 PM
Now we're talking...Crusaders looking to get back on the winning track in the series with its cross town rival.  Alvernia won the first four, Albright the next four, and back to Alvernia for four more.  Albright snapped the last steak with a win last season, but the Crusaders certainly don't want to wait three more years for another victory in the series.

Always rooting for the Vern when they play Albright!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 15, 2006, 11:41:55 AM
Quote from: allstar scout on December 15, 2006, 08:23:13 AM
Something for all coaches to remember!



"The more you lose, the more positive you have to become. When you're winning, you can ride players harder because their self-esteem is high. If you are losing and you try to be tough, you're asking for dissension." -- Rick Pitino

Sorry, I inserted the wrong quote before!!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: allstar scout on December 15, 2006, 01:04:13 PM
Coach K:

Not sure where the original quote was made but I saw it on a website I get quotes from to use when I am coaching, speaking at camps and practices.

Here is the site though!


http://coachlikeapro.tripod.com/basketball/id4.html
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on December 15, 2006, 05:30:12 PM
Long time, First time. Long time D3 hoops visitor, first time poster. Yes, I am a "Eastern guy" so I will get that out to begin with.

First off, Coach Nadelhoffer would never go to Cabrini. If he wanted to coach at Cabrini he would have applied for the job when Dzik left. He never did. I assume he would have got the job due to his head coaching experience over their current coach. But you never know.

Cabrini's situation is very distubring to me. Last year Cabrini did not make the playoffs for one the first times in school history. A first year coach coming into that situation; I can say that is understandable. So you give the guy a break and hope he can turn it around. Then this year; you look for guys like Jim Mcmahon, Jeff Dailey, Dominique Barron, Colin Fitzgerald and wonder where they are? All transferred or did not come back to the team because of the head coach (this is true, verified with several reliable sources). Still, you give the coach a chance to win with what he has. What he has is a 1-8 record and on pace for the worst and most dissapointing season in school history. Can you imagine a lineup of Fitzgerald (good enough to play for Gwynedd and John Baron if it wasn't for his grades), Dailey (All-Pac player, not sure where he ended up), Barron (now a division II player), Mcmahon (All-Pac player who decided not to return for his senior season), along with Randy Reid (could be first team All-league this year). Still; Clifton and McClelland coming off the bench and/or starting. That would be one of the top 7 man rotations in the whole Mid-Atlantic Region in my opinion.

Something is wrong at Cabrini and I wont pretend to know everything about the situation. But anytime you have all those players leave because of the head coach; something isn't right. It sure as hell looks like a coaching change is in the forcast. I do know one thing; the Eastern people are sure glad Dzik is gone. The Eagles have taken over Eagle road. I say keep the Cabrini coach; better for us. One less team competing for the playoffs in March.

I am just trying to be honest with my opinions, not trying to disrespect any one team, player, coach, program, or school.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 15, 2006, 09:57:06 PM
Quote from: East Coast Eagle on December 15, 2006, 05:30:12 PM
Long time, First time. Long time D3 hoops visitor, first time poster. Yes, I am a "Eastern guy" so I will get that out to begin with.

First off, Coach Nadelhoffer would never go to Cabrini. If he wanted to coach at Cabrini he would have applied for the job when Dzik left. He never did. I assume he would have got the job due to his head coaching experience over their current coach. But you never know.

Cabrini's situation is very distubring to me. Last year Cabrini did not make the playoffs for one the first times in school history. A first year coach coming into that situation; I can say that is understandable. So you give the guy a break and hope he can turn it around. Then this year; you look for guys like Jim Mcmahon, Jeff Dailey, Dominique Barron, Colin Fitzgerald and wonder where they are? All transferred or did not come back to the team because of the head coach (this is true, verified with several reliable sources). Still, you give the coach a chance to win with what he has. What he has is a 1-8 record and on pace for the worst and most dissapointing season in school history. Can you imagine a lineup of Fitzgerald (good enough to play for Gwynedd and John Baron if it wasn't for his grades), Dailey (All-Pac player, not sure where he ended up), Barron (now a division II player), Mcmahon (All-Pac player who decided not to return for his senior season), along with Randy Reid (could be first team All-league this year). Still; Clifton and McClelland coming off the bench and/or starting. That would be one of the top 7 man rotations in the whole Mid-Atlantic Region in my opinion.

Something is wrong at Cabrini and I wont pretend to know everything about the situation. But anytime you have all those players leave because of the head coach; something isn't right. It sure as hell looks like a coaching change is in the forcast. I do know one thing; the Eastern people are sure glad Dzik is gone. The Eagles have taken over Eagle road. I say keep the Cabrini coach; better for us. One less team competing for the playoffs in March.

I am just trying to be honest with my opinions, not trying to disrespect any one team, player, coach, program, or school.


I can see exactly where you are coming from ! !    The coach will not last very long.  It is obvious something is not right there.  The program has gone down the tubes with Machucka.    Eastern is the King of Eagle road for sure.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: allstar scout on December 15, 2006, 11:10:38 PM
The winds of change are blowing!

Cabrini has talent in fact as much as any team in the PAC, the problem is as I earlier posted a Rick Petinno quote. The quote is exactly what has happened at Cabrini and the team has lost the confidence
after their Ohio trip and 2 top 25 games.

As much as I hate to say it a change is nescesary before the team quits!

I hope the admin, athletic department and Alum are reading this bail out the program, save the sinking ship!!!!!

As a Cabrini guy, I am sick over the whole mess! >:( >:( >:( >:( :-[ :-[ :-[


By the way John Baron's boys looked bad should have been blown out except Rowans coach sat his starters for almost 8 minutes of the second half.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on December 16, 2006, 12:58:15 AM
I first must correct my statement about part-time coaches as a reason why Cabrini is not doing as well as they could.  I still believe that it is harder to win as a part-time coach because you are unable to dedicate as much time
as you can to winning.  However, the Kean coach in the NJAC is a part-time coach and they are now 8-1.

You are correct a change might be in order, but it shouldn't be done until after the season when the coach can properly be evaluated.  Maybe he can turn it around, and maybe not.  But to be fair he must be allowed to finish the season.

In case anyone wants to bring this up later on, Dzik was 483-223 for a .684 winning percentage.  As of today in the post-Dzik era they are soon to be, after they lose to Scranton, 12-23 for a .342 winning percentage.

I am not knocking anyone just stating the facts.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on December 16, 2006, 01:16:42 AM
I would think a lot of coaches in the league are part time. Coach Nadelhoffer is one of them, along with Dorney, Baron, Macciocca, and Chadwin. I know of these five coaches for a fact. I would guess the majority of them are part time. It is easier to win being full time; but the fact of the matter is; if the majority of the coaches are part time, they are on a even playing field and no excuses should be made.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on December 16, 2006, 01:53:37 AM
I would like to get some opinions on recruiting. I would think Eastern should struggle to recruit due to their lack of a facility, strict religious views, and high tuition. Cabrini is similiary but their fieldhouse is one of the finest in the league, and it's also a very liberal Catholic insitution. Cabrini should struggle due to tuition which I think is higher than Easterns. I feel Eastern does a pretty good job recruiting for what they have. I know some other school are in similiar situations, but I think Eastern would struggle and Immaculata only because their program is in the beginning stages. Gwynedd usually does pretty well recruiting along with Arcadia and Alvernia. Neumann is among the least expensive with attacts guys with financial situations.

Any thoughts?

As I said in an earlier post, Coach Nadelhoffer was NOT a potential candidate for the Cabrini job two years ago. Some of the candidates that were not selected included the top assistant coach for Virginia Wesleyan (after he did not get the job at Cabrini, VW went on to win the national championship last year). Also, a former Ursinus coach who led them to the final four. The remaining were local high school coaches in the area who were most likely not fit for the job. You have to think the current coach was the most logical at the coming from a top DIII  program and DI before that.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 16, 2006, 08:21:15 AM
Cabrini is a prime example of institutional neglect!

Their staff (not the coaches) is not committed to winning.  The administration at the top down does not really care about athletics which is why Dzik was pushed out.  The budget and endowment at Cabrini is focused on academic growth as it should be in DIII and to hell with their athletic program which is only a part of their plan for growth.  The president thought Cabrini won state titles and did not even know the PAC was a D3 conference for sake!  Read the keep JOHNDZIK website and you will see for yourself.    Why do your think the JV team is gone.

The campus and athletics are politically correct but no heart and soul left in the athletic goals of the college.  The resources are just not in place from the top down to build a program with class unless they get lucky and the president leaves the college.

OH.... the top cabinet will take the credit for the facilities on campus actucally built as a result of DZIK and the alumni - including the strong lacrosse program and turf.

Guess the lacrosse program will get chopped soon enough.....

Whether the teams win or lose is not important now until the pocket book of Cabrini is hurt with dwindling enrollment.  Times have changed at Cavalier country which is why the alumnae has dropped them like a hot potatoe.  The results are just beginning to be felt now.

The women got fortunate to get a good coach while Dzik was still in charge

The college can brag about the President's Cup though because of the hard work of athletes and coaches who bust their chops only to be rewarded by a naive administration who take credit.   

As Dzik said the last time I spoke with him.." Thank God for lacrosse" 

Seems like the PAC titles at Cabrini are a thing of the past except for lacrosse or tennis. Guess the focus is on women now.  The college does love it though when the individuals win at track and field.

Nuemann has all the recruiting packages & Alvernia now with the target market gone at Cabrini.  Imagine the president of the college blaming the AD hired by Dzik.   John actually stepped aside to save her job yet the president of the college says in her letters and responses that the athletic department did feel Dzik was NOT in line with the program! !
It is also known John was told to go to a Division 2 school if he wanted to win so bad! 

What garbage...Dzik told me personally how the whole league is moving forward while Cabrini falls behind in recruiting.    Sad to see what I thought was going to happen.... the athletes will start leaving for better athletic opportunities for their career and the programs will become nothing but glorified intramural teams.

THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING :o
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 16, 2006, 08:28:41 AM
Hope that sheds some light on the recruiting situation at Cabrini for basketball.

The rest of the PAC is surely gaining with the saturated local area for D3

Have a good day!

Go Alvernia & Eastern!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 16, 2006, 09:28:39 AM
First, I can't wait to see the Vern beat Albright today.

Second, can we please get off the bashing of Cabrini for their choice of a coach?  It's really getting old.  Really.

East Coast Eagle, your views on the recruiting situation are a little off.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 16, 2006, 05:01:53 PM
Alvernia beats Albright by 8.  Alvernia is definitely a better team, would probably win 4 of 5 against them.  The PAC beats the MAC!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 16, 2006, 05:12:52 PM
Quote from: East Coast Eagle on December 15, 2006, 05:30:12 PM
Long time, First time. Long time D3 hoops visitor, first time poster. Yes, I am a "Eastern guy" so I will get that out to begin with.

First off, Coach Nadelhoffer would never go to Cabrini. If he wanted to coach at Cabrini he would have applied for the job when Dzik left. He never did. I assume he would have got the job due to his head coaching experience over their current coach. But you never know.

Cabrini's situation is very distubring to me. Last year Cabrini did not make the playoffs for one the first times in school history. A first year coach coming into that situation; I can say that is understandable. So you give the guy a break and hope he can turn it around. Then this year; you look for guys like Jim Mcmahon, Jeff Dailey, Dominique Barron, Colin Fitzgerald and wonder where they are? All transferred or did not come back to the team because of the head coach (this is true, verified with several reliable sources). Still, you give the coach a chance to win with what he has. What he has is a 1-8 record and on pace for the worst and most dissapointing season in school history. Can you imagine a lineup of Fitzgerald (good enough to play for Gwynedd and John Baron if it wasn't for his grades), Dailey (All-Pac player, not sure where he ended up), Barron (now a division II player), Mcmahon (All-Pac player who decided not to return for his senior season), along with Randy Reid (could be first team All-league this year). Still; Clifton and McClelland coming off the bench and/or starting. That would be one of the top 7 man rotations in the whole Mid-Atlantic Region in my opinion.

Something is wrong at Cabrini and I wont pretend to know everything about the situation. But anytime you have all those players leave because of the head coach; something isn't right. It sure as hell looks like a coaching change is in the forcast. I do know one thing; the Eastern people are sure glad Dzik is gone. The Eagles have taken over Eagle road. I say keep the Cabrini coach; better for us. One less team competing for the playoffs in March.

I am just trying to be honest with my opinions, not trying to disrespect any one team, player, coach, program, or school.

East Coast,

First, EU isn't glad Dzik is gone at all.  He was a great coach and we enjoyed playing against him.  Competitors always welcome competition and EU was just beginning to even the odds with their strong recruiting and improved coaching.

Second, Cabrini with McMahon, Fitzgerald, and Dailey back wouldn't even be the best in the conference.

Who are you and where do you come from?  You obviously don't know that much about talent as these guys would not change the game so much to make them a "top 7 man rotation in the whole mid-atlantic".  Give me a break.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 16, 2006, 05:15:24 PM
Quote from: East Coast Eagle on December 16, 2006, 01:16:42 AM
I would think a lot of coaches in the league are part time. Coach Nadelhoffer is one of them, along with Dorney, Baron, Macciocca, and Chadwin. I know of these five coaches for a fact. I would guess the majority of them are part time. It is easier to win being full time; but the fact of the matter is; if the majority of the coaches are part time, they are on a even playing field and no excuses should be made.

Again, East Boast, you have your facts wrong.  The EU coach is not part-time.  So, where is your "fact"?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 16, 2006, 06:40:51 PM
Anyone who knows Alvernia's squad would have told you they would have won today.

Jon,  how close was the game if it was close.   Why did Alvernia win? 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 16, 2006, 06:43:29 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on December 14, 2006, 10:45:41 PM
Alvernia will beat Albright.

Albright is down slightly this year.


As everyone could see for themselves my prediction was on the mark earlier in the week.

Could someone fill me in on how the game went.  I would have assumed Alvernia would win it on the boards until it was foul time.  How did it unfold?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 16, 2006, 09:04:48 PM
Cabrini down by 22.  Macciocca has probably directed his team twice during the game.  The place is a dungeon.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 16, 2006, 09:51:33 PM
Sorry folks, had to rush to a Christmas party postgame today and didn't get anytime to chat.  First, let me dispell any rumors that the Crusaders may have won with defense.  The numbers that jump off the page are the shooting totals.  The free throw percentage because it was so terrible (7-for-20), and the 3-point percentage (10-for-18) because it was so high.  The Crusaders also shot nearly 70% in the second half (22-for-32), which is tough to win against.

In my humble opinion, I would tend to agree with chizwiz, the Crusaders were just the better team on the floor.  Garrett Etzel, who transfered to Alvernia from Albright over the winter break of his sophomore year, wasn't going to lose twice to the Lions.  Ryan Finger was unstoppable.  Matt King had a mismatch every time down the floor.  Terrence Shawell picked his moments well, and Zach Westmoreland was a ridiculous spark late in the first half.

I was thinking during the second half that the people who chose the Bollman Center for their Saturday afternoon entertainment really were treated to a great rivalry game.

The story and box score are both available on the Alvernia website.
http://athletics.alvernia.edu
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 16, 2006, 10:00:37 PM
This portion deserves a separate post.

Albright College raised over $6,000 over the past few months and donated that money to the American Cancer Society in memory of Derek Kehoe, who passed away in October.  Albright junior Taylor Steltz, who was diagnosed with lymphoma over the summer, served as honorary chairman for the game which was also tied in with Coaches vs. Cancer.  Steltz did a terrific job as MC for the pregame ceremony.  By this time, I think it's pretty safe to say that cancer has affected just about all of us in some way or another.  Those of us who have our health could stand to do a little more for those affected by this disease, even if it's as simple as a small donation to a worth cause.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 16, 2006, 11:15:54 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 16, 2006, 09:04:48 PM
Cabrini down by 22.  Macciocca has probably directed his team twice during the game.  The place is a dungeon.


Sounds like a losing program to me.   What was the official attendance not counting the teams?   Under 10?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 16, 2006, 11:18:56 PM
Quote from: Jon on December 16, 2006, 10:00:37 PM
This portion deserves a separate post.

Albright College raised over $6,000 over the past few months and donated that money to the American Cancer Society in memory of Derek Kehoe, who passed away in October.  Albright junior Taylor Steltz, who was diagnosed with lymphoma over the summer, served as honorary chairman for the game which was also tied in with Coaches vs. Cancer.  Steltz did a terrific job as MC for the pregame ceremony.  By this time, I think it's pretty safe to say that cancer has affected just about all of us in some way or another.  Those of us who have our health could stand to do a little more for those affected by this disease, even if it's as simple as a small donation to a worth cause.


Jon, good to hear of such things that put life into perspective.  We all have to be thankful for each day as well as being  conscious of what we can all do to help those who need us.   Sports can be a catalyst for such a cause. Wish more people could get the help they need.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 16, 2006, 11:28:18 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on December 16, 2006, 11:15:54 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 16, 2006, 09:04:48 PM
Cabrini down by 22.  Macciocca has probably directed his team twice during the game.  The place is a dungeon.


Sounds like a losing program to me.   What was the official attendance not counting the teams?   Under 10?

About 200-250.  The Scranton fans outnumbered the Cabrini fans.  What a joke.  That program is done.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on December 17, 2006, 02:31:45 AM
Scranton did have more fans but I do not think by much. Also take into consideration students are off for the holidays.

With the Eagles off till after the new year, across the street was the place to be.... Cabrini looses by 29. Nice holiday gift handed to them by Scranton. Cabrini played a 2-3 zone a majority of the time. Scranton is a team of set shooters. Shooters love to stand still and shoot threes. It is much more difficult to come off screens and turn and shoot. Percentages almost double for three point shooters when their feet are set and square to the basket. Coming off screens, usually you are off balance and rushing the shot; especially at this level. Poor choice of defense by the Cavaliers in my opinion. The coach seemed to be much more subtle tonight than usual. Not sure if that means anything; but it was quit obvious if you are familiar with the program.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: allstar scout on December 17, 2006, 04:05:21 AM
Cheapwiz:

I saw Cheapwiz at the Dollar store.

The program is not done only the career of the head coach in my opinion!

It was obvious he has lost the team and the kids have tuned him out! Sorta like the Flyers with coach Hitchcock.  It happens with coaches who like to scream at they're team! It has happened too many times in sports history heres a small list:

Flyers, Hitchcock, Barber, Keenan
NFL Caughlin, Reeves, Schottenheimer,Wannstadt, Rhoads, Ryan
Knight, Calipari, Macciocca


I am not saying the coach is not a knowledgeable one just he needs to go and a fresh new voice is needed at Cabrini!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 17, 2006, 08:09:02 AM
Alvernia vs. Albright as usual is one of the better ways that one can spend $5 on this planet right now. Game was back and forth, lots of runs by both teams. I felt like Albright should have showed that 1-3-1 a bit more in the second half, it slowed down the Crusaders a little bit. They were almost exclusively man to man in the second half. King was getting open on pick and pop stuff or dribble penetration and nailing shots. He could be a legit stud regionally by the end of the year. Their bigs did just enough on the defensive end to help pull away. Alvernia seems like they need to improve with rebounding the ball, but they will work the kinks out by the start of January.

I was pleased to see that they raised as much money for cancer as they did. I coached Derek Kehoe in HS, and everything that has been said about him is true, he was an awesome kid, and it was a tragic loss. Nazareth high school, his alma mater, is retiring his number January 5th, and all the procedes from the event go towards raising money for cancer. The 5 other Lehigh Valley Conference games that night are also donating their gate. Just a good thing to see everyone pulling together to help out with this!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 17, 2006, 09:09:47 AM
Quote from: Coach K on December 17, 2006, 08:09:02 AM
Alvernia vs. Albright as usual is one of the better ways that one can spend $5 on this planet right now. Game was back and forth, lots of runs by both teams. I felt like Albright should have showed that 1-3-1 a bit more in the second half, it slowed down the Crusaders a little bit. They were almost exclusively man to man in the second half. King was getting open on pick and pop stuff or dribble penetration and nailing shots. He could be a legit stud regionally by the end of the year. Their bigs did just enough on the defensive end to help pull away. Alvernia seems like they need to improve with rebounding the ball, but they will work the kinks out by the start of January.


I was pleased to see that they raised as much money for cancer as they did. I coached Derek Kehoe in HS, and everything that has been said about him is true, he was an awesome kid, and it was a tragic loss. Nazareth high school, his alma mater, is retiring his number January 5th, and all the procedes from the event go towards raising money for cancer. The 5 other Lehigh Valley Conference games that night are also donating their gate. Just a good thing to see everyone pulling together to help out with this!


Great stuff!

How come Cabrini charges 10.00 per ticket and 5.00 for end seats? Are they so good or something?

Alvernia is the class of the PAC.  Entertainment for $5.00 at that level of competition is a bargain.

I thought Alvernia would have been good on the boards with their line-up but you say they struggled on that end.  Why?

 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 17, 2006, 09:14:46 AM
Quote from: allstar scout on December 17, 2006, 04:05:21 AM
Cheapwiz:

I saw Cheapwiz at the Dollar store.

The program is not done only the career of the head coach in my opinion!

It was obvious he has lost the team and the kids have tuned him out! Sorta like the Flyers with coach Hitchcock.  It happens with coaches who like to scream at they're team! It has happened too many times in sports history heres a small list:

Flyers, Hitchcock, Barber, Keenan
NFL Caughlin, Reeves, Schottenheimer,Wannstadt, Rhoads, Ryan
Knight, Calipari, Macciocca


I am not saying the coach is not a knowledgeable one just he needs to go and a fresh new voice is needed at Cabrini!



Did he really lose control of the team or are there sour grapes around campus?   The students of the college have the power to make change if they stick together until they get some attention.   Protest.    Sounds like frustration is setting in there.   

Tell me.... what if the Cavs come back from the holidays and beat up on Arcadia?   will this silence some ?

Now... what if the Cavs lose to Arcadia?  I may agree the coach is a problem if they cannot beat Arcadia.     What is the Athletic Director doing about the situation?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 17, 2006, 10:18:08 AM
Wolf,

For the record, the game was at the Bollman center. But I do believe Alvernia charges $5 for a game as well. It's the 4th D3 game I have gone to see live this year, and every one of them has been a bargain. In my opinion (and I am sure most of the junkies on here agree), D3 basketball is the last pure level of hoops remaining.

Alvernia struggled because Albright was physical, and there was (at least in the first half) a lot of standing around when the ball was shot. 1 guy fighting, and 4 guys outside the arc. Their rebounding improved in the second half, although they didn't need a whole lot of it when they shot over 60%.

The first 6 guys for Alvernia might not be as good as last year's squad, but they are damn close. If someone can step up on the bench to give them some more help, AC could be scary in February!

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 17, 2006, 10:25:52 AM
Quote from: allstar scout on December 17, 2006, 04:05:21 AM
Cheapwiz:

I saw Cheapwiz at the Dollar store.

The program is not done only the career of the head coach in my opinion!

It was obvious he has lost the team and the kids have tuned him out! Sorta like the Flyers with coach Hitchcock.  It happens with coaches who like to scream at they're team! It has happened too many times in sports history heres a small list:

Flyers, Hitchcock, Barber, Keenan
NFL Caughlin, Reeves, Schottenheimer,Wannstadt, Rhoads, Ryan
Knight, Calipari, Macciocca


I am not saying the coach is not a knowledgeable one just he needs to go and a fresh new voice is needed at Cabrini!

All Star, you didn't ask me why I was at the Dollar Store.  I was getting a gift for your mother.  She loves the stuff there!  I've been buying her gifts there for years.

Your list is mistaken.  Take out Schotty and Knight.

And you are right, Macciocca is done.  When he loses his job, any good coach out there will know that this is not the place where winning is possible.  But keep wishing.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 17, 2006, 10:31:14 AM
Quote from: WolfPAC on December 17, 2006, 09:09:47 AM
Quote from: Coach K on December 17, 2006, 08:09:02 AM
Alvernia vs. Albright as usual is one of the better ways that one can spend $5 on this planet right now. Game was back and forth, lots of runs by both teams. I felt like Albright should have showed that 1-3-1 a bit more in the second half, it slowed down the Crusaders a little bit. They were almost exclusively man to man in the second half. King was getting open on pick and pop stuff or dribble penetration and nailing shots. He could be a legit stud regionally by the end of the year. Their bigs did just enough on the defensive end to help pull away. Alvernia seems like they need to improve with rebounding the ball, but they will work the kinks out by the start of January.


I was pleased to see that they raised as much money for cancer as they did. I coached Derek Kehoe in HS, and everything that has been said about him is true, he was an awesome kid, and it was a tragic loss. Nazareth high school, his alma mater, is retiring his number January 5th, and all the procedes from the event go towards raising money for cancer. The 5 other Lehigh Valley Conference games that night are also donating their gate. Just a good thing to see everyone pulling together to help out with this!


Great stuff!

How come Cabrini charges 10.00 per ticket and 5.00 for end seats? Are they so good or something?

Alvernia is the class of the PAC.  Entertainment for $5.00 at that level of competition is a bargain.

I thought Alvernia would have been good on the boards with their line-up but you say they struggled on that end.  Why?

 

Class of the PAC?  Do you athletically or academically?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 17, 2006, 10:33:48 AM
Quote from: WolfPAC on December 17, 2006, 09:14:46 AM
Quote from: allstar scout on December 17, 2006, 04:05:21 AM
Cheapwiz:

I saw Cheapwiz at the Dollar store.

The program is not done only the career of the head coach in my opinion!

It was obvious he has lost the team and the kids have tuned him out! Sorta like the Flyers with coach Hitchcock.  It happens with coaches who like to scream at they're team! It has happened too many times in sports history heres a small list:

Flyers, Hitchcock, Barber, Keenan
NFL Caughlin, Reeves, Schottenheimer,Wannstadt, Rhoads, Ryan
Knight, Calipari, Macciocca


I am not saying the coach is not a knowledgeable one just he needs to go and a fresh new voice is needed at Cabrini!



Did he really lose control of the team or are there sour grapes around campus?   The students of the college have the power to make change if they stick together until they get some attention.   Protest.    Sounds like frustration is setting in there.   

Tell me.... what if the Cavs come back from the holidays and beat up on Arcadia?   will this silence some ?

Now... what if the Cavs lose to Arcadia?  I may agree the coach is a problem if they cannot beat Arcadia.     What is the Athletic Director doing about the situation?

WolfPac, please remember what the AD's office did to Dzik (withe their pres).  Do you really think they care if Macciocca is running it into the ground?  Also, the $10 and $5 tickets is just an example of another genius idea.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 17, 2006, 10:39:20 AM
Quote from: Coach K on December 17, 2006, 08:09:02 AM
Alvernia vs. Albright as usual is one of the better ways that one can spend $5 on this planet right now. Game was back and forth, lots of runs by both teams. I felt like Albright should have showed that 1-3-1 a bit more in the second half, it slowed down the Crusaders a little bit. They were almost exclusively man to man in the second half. King was getting open on pick and pop stuff or dribble penetration and nailing shots. He could be a legit stud regionally by the end of the year. Their bigs did just enough on the defensive end to help pull away. Alvernia seems like they need to improve with rebounding the ball, but they will work the kinks out by the start of January.

I was pleased to see that they raised as much money for cancer as they did. I coached Derek Kehoe in HS, and everything that has been said about him is true, he was an awesome kid, and it was a tragic loss. Nazareth high school, his alma mater, is retiring his number January 5th, and all the procedes from the event go towards raising money for cancer. The 5 other Lehigh Valley Conference games that night are also donating their gate. Just a good thing to see everyone pulling together to help out with this!

Coach K, Matt King is certainly a good player.  Tough matchup.  He is cagey, quick, long arms, great, GREAT shooter.  I want to see his defense later in the season.  He moves a lot, so defenders of him are going to get tired.  I think he is going to be really, really good as a junior and senior - should be 1st all-conf as a senior.  I don't know so much about all-region, but let's wait and see.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 17, 2006, 10:51:30 AM
I don't want to be a facilitator of more Cabrini bashing, but they really do just continue to pile up bad loss after bad loss. By 29 to Scranton? That to me is just unbelieveable.

Chizwiz, I think I may have over stated King's ability. But yes, he is a good shooter, and a matchup problem for most of the teams in the PAC. He will receive some sort of honor at the end of the season, I think we can at least agree on that.

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Quote from: WolfPAC on December 17, 2006, 09:09:47 AM
Quote from: Coach K on December 17, 2006, 08:09:02 AM



Class of the PAC?  Do you athletically or academically?

Alvernia the class of the PAC... so far this year athletically they have been doing well in soccer, field hockey, etc. Their basketball and baseball programs have a history of being strong. Academically they have made great strides. What would be considered the more academic of the PAC schools? Let's not consider Arcadia and Wesley since they are leaving. Marywood has a good social work program, Alvernia is solid in CJ, Business and Education, and has built a new Science wing. Cedar Crest on the girls side has a great rep after almost going the way of the dinosaur 20 years ago.

The PAC schools in general have given opportunities for education to people who otherwise might not get an opportunity. That doesn't mean that they dumb down their programs. I think I got a first class education at Alvernia, and I am sure most of us in here that are PAC school grads would say the same about their institutions[
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 17, 2006, 11:21:04 AM
Quote from: Coach K on December 17, 2006, 10:51:30 AM
I don't want to be a facilitator of more Cabrini bashing, but they really do just continue to pile up bad loss after bad loss. By 29 to Scranton? That to me is just unbelieveable.

Chizwiz, I think I may have over stated King's ability. But yes, he is a good shooter, and a matchup problem for most of the teams in the PAC. He will receive some sort of honor at the end of the season, I think we can at least agree on that.

quote author=chizwiz link=topic=4289.msg639747#msg639747 date=1166369474]
Quote from: WolfPAC on December 17, 2006, 09:09:47 AM
Quote from: Coach K on December 17, 2006, 08:09:02 AM



Class of the PAC?  Do you athletically or academically?

Alvernia the class of the PAC... so far this year athletically they have been doing well in soccer, field hockey, etc. Their basketball and baseball programs have a history of being strong. Academically they have made great strides. What would be considered the more academic of the PAC schools? Let's not consider Arcadia and Wesley since they are leaving. Marywood has a good social work program, Alvernia is solid in CJ, Business and Education, and has built a new Science wing. Cedar Crest on the girls side has a great rep after almost going the way of the dinosaur 20 years ago.

The PAC schools in general have given opportunities for education to people who otherwise might not get an opportunity. That doesn't mean that they dumb down their programs. I think I got a first class education at Alvernia, and I am sure most of us in here that are PAC school grads would say the same about their institutions[

I don't think there is much of a difference between our statements about King.  Let's just say he is good, and let him show us some great stuff.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on December 17, 2006, 11:57:24 AM
Eastern, Neumann, Gwynedd are my early favorites to win the Pac. The Pac is wide open this year with no dominant teams from the Dzik era, no Gwynedd teams with Badou as their stud, and no Alvernia teams from last year.


Chizwiz: Please remember what the AD's office did to Dzik (withe their pres). 

The AD's office did nothing to Dzik. It was ALL the president. You can not compare the AD office to the President's office. The AD office wanted to keep Dzik, the President over ruled the decision to fire him.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: allstar scout on December 17, 2006, 12:33:20 PM
Cheap Wiz:

Trying to bribe a parole official with Dollar store items will not help you get parole!

The Coach at Cabrini has definitely lost the team not hard to see!

A change is needed to fix the problem!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on December 17, 2006, 02:44:48 PM
Cheap Wiz (thanks All Star Scout),

Maybe the "top 7 man rotation in the mid atlantic region" was a big exaggerated. But best in the PAC? ABSOLUTELY!!! The Pac is weak this year and that starting line-up would be the most talented by far in our league. Like I said, top in the mid atlantic was a stretch, but they would certainly be most peoples favorite to win the PAC?

Also, are you sure Coach N is a full time coach at EU? I was told he was a high school teacher at a local district?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 17, 2006, 03:52:20 PM
Quote from: East Coast Eagle on December 17, 2006, 11:57:24 AM
Eastern, Neumann, Gwynedd are my early favorites to win the Pac. The Pac is wide open this year with no dominant teams from the Dzik era, no Gwynedd teams with Badou as their stud, and no Alvernia teams from last year.

Not sure how you can't include Alvernia in that list.  The Crusaders handled the team many coaches think will win the league, and have been the most consistent performers in non-conference games so far this season.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 17, 2006, 04:44:21 PM
Yes, you definitely have to toss Alvernia in with those other 3 teams. The only thing hurting the Crusaders is that they only go 7 deep, but that is a damn good 7 they throw out there.

The league is missing a marque level player of the Badou or Damon Hunter type, but it is still a good conference, and it has shown nonleague that it can hang with other schools.

I agree about King, Chizwiz; he could end up being special. I hope we are both wrong and he exceeds our expectations!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 17, 2006, 05:55:10 PM
Quote from: East Coast Eagle on December 17, 2006, 11:57:24 AM
Eastern, Neumann, Gwynedd are my early favorites to win the Pac. The Pac is wide open this year with no dominant teams from the Dzik era, no Gwynedd teams with Badou as their stud, and no Alvernia teams from last year.


Chizwiz: Please remember what the AD's office did to Dzik (withe their pres). 

The AD's office did nothing to Dzik. It was ALL the president. You can not compare the AD office to the President's office. The AD office wanted to keep Dzik, the President over ruled the decision to fire him.

Did you forget Alvernia?  I have them as the team to beat right now.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 17, 2006, 05:56:08 PM
Quote from: allstar scout on December 17, 2006, 12:33:20 PM
Cheap Wiz:

Trying to bribe a parole official with Dollar store items will not help you get parole!

The Coach at Cabrini has definitely lost the team not hard to see!

A change is needed to fix the problem!

Get out of left field.  We're all lost with that comment.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 17, 2006, 06:03:02 PM
Quote from: East Coast Eagle on December 17, 2006, 02:44:48 PM
Cheap Wiz (thanks All Star Scout),

Maybe the "top 7 man rotation in the mid atlantic region" was a big exaggerated. But best in the PAC? ABSOLUTELY!!! The Pac is weak this year and that starting line-up would be the most talented by far in our league. Like I said, top in the mid atlantic was a stretch, but they would certainly be most peoples favorite to win the PAC?

Also, are you sure Coach N is a full time coach at EU? I was told he was a high school teacher at a local district?

East Coast, you're in left field, too.  YES, I'm sure he is full time.  Are you sure he isn't?  If Nadelhoffer is a HS teacher, then some high school is getting screwed because he can be found in his office at all hours of the day.  Again, let's get your sources.  Better yet, think before you type things . . . maybe call the coach.

I know of two coaches in this league who disagree with you on the Cabrini top 7 best in PAC blather.  I'm sure you can guess one of them.

Where do you come up with this crap?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 17, 2006, 06:04:44 PM
Quote from: East Coast Eagle on December 17, 2006, 11:57:24 AM
Eastern, Neumann, Gwynedd are my early favorites to win the Pac. The Pac is wide open this year with no dominant teams from the Dzik era, no Gwynedd teams with Badou as their stud, and no Alvernia teams from last year.


Chizwiz: Please remember what the AD's office did to Dzik (withe their pres). 

The AD's office did nothing to Dzik. It was ALL the president. You can not compare the AD office to the President's office. The AD office wanted to keep Dzik, the President over ruled the decision to fire him.

While the president seems to have made the decision, the AD was in on it.  Talk to Dzik or any of their coaches.  I have phone numbers if you like.  Again, you're full of it.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 17, 2006, 06:06:23 PM
Quote from: allstar scout on December 17, 2006, 12:33:20 PM
Cheap Wiz:

Trying to bribe a parole official with Dollar store items will not help you get parole!

The Coach at Cabrini has definitely lost the team not hard to see!

A change is needed to fix the problem!

All Star, you being from Cabrini and all, I imagine you know a lot of parole officers.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on December 17, 2006, 06:39:54 PM
Chiz Wiz,

I feel that Cabrini lineup would be best in the PAC. I think you would be looking at 4 All League players with 2 on the first team. I would think Dailey and Reid would make first team with McMahon (5th year Senior) and Fitzgerald (Junior) making the list. Really, it doesn't matter. It is pretty stupid to debate regardless. It's only a matter on opinion.

Hey, if you say Coach N is full time then I will take your word for it. At least I am man enough to admit I was wrong.

I am NOT wrong about the Cabrini AD pushing out Dzik. I dont need any phone numbers, I can go to the Piedmont website and get John's phone number myself thank you. And you can also go to www.keepjohndzik.com and read the following quote:

"As you are aware, it was not my decision to leave the college. I was forced out by one person – Dr. Toni Iadarola. The blame lies clearly with her. Regardless of what spin you may hear from her subordinates, Toni carefully orchestrated a plan for my removal." - John Dzik

Dzik gave the AD his job. The AD had NOTHING to do with Dziks removal. It was ALL the president. But you said I should review my sources before I post..... I just did that. Yes, my source this time is John Dzik himself.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 17, 2006, 09:07:15 PM
Quote from: Coach K on December 17, 2006, 10:18:08 AM
Wolf,

For the record, the game was at the Bollman center. But I do believe Alvernia charges $5 for a game as well. It's the 4th D3 game I have gone to see live this year, and every one of them has been a bargain. In my opinion (and I am sure most of the junkies on here agree), D3 basketball is the last pure level of hoops remaining.

Alvernia struggled because Albright was physical, and there was (at least in the first half) a lot of standing around when the ball was shot. 1 guy fighting, and 4 guys outside the arc. Their rebounding improved in the second half, although they didn't need a whole lot of it when they shot over 60%.

The first 6 guys for Alvernia might not be as good as last year's squad, but they are damn close. If someone can step up on the bench to give them some more help, AC could be scary in February!



Thx Coach K.  for the Alvernia recap... Alvernia will only get better if healthy I am sure in February they will be there and more.   

I agree totally with your assessment that D3 is the last pure form of basketball out there.  You are right on!!

The NBA is disgusting with the millions they get paid for showing up while D1 &d2 is about money and entertainment most of the time.  D3 is all guts and no glory due to hard fought battles & hard work.   Pure basketball!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 17, 2006, 09:26:25 PM
Quote from: East Coast Eagle on December 17, 2006, 06:39:54 PM
Chiz Wiz,

I feel that Cabrini lineup would be best in the PAC. I think you would be looking at 4 All League players with 2 on the first team. I would think Dailey and Reid would make first team with McMahon (5th year Senior) and Fitzgerald (Junior) making the list. Really, it doesn't matter. It is pretty stupid to debate regardless. It's only a matter on opinion.

Hey, if you say Coach N is full time then I will take your word for it. At least I am man enough to admit I was wrong.

I am NOT wrong about the Cabrini AD pushing out Dzik. I dont need any phone numbers, I can go to the Piedmont website and get John's phone number myself thank you. And you can also go to www.keepjohndzik.com and read the following quote:

"As you are aware, it was not my decision to leave the college. I was forced out by one person – Dr. Toni Iadarola. The blame lies clearly with her. Regardless of what spin you may hear from her subordinates, Toni carefully orchestrated a plan for my removal." - John Dzik

Dzik gave the AD his job. The AD had NOTHING to do with Dziks removal. It was ALL the president. But you said I should review my sources before I post..... I just did that. Yes, my source this time is John Dzik himself.




Where and when did John Dzik coach his last game?   Thats right, and with the same guys that would have been in the 7 you speak of he still got outplayed because Cabrini was not good enough.  Alvernia would beat them in any of the past 3 years in the playoffs.

Cabrini played them tough at home last year but could not execute or shoot the 3...   Cabrini would probably not be able to beat Eastern with those guys this year.  Be realistic with or without Dzik the program has been falling behind in recruiting due to the results of an egotistical president who doesn't care about athletics.   Bricks and mortar only.


So.... back to the AD at Cabrini.... why didn't SHE step down when Dzik was pushed out?   Only to save her job created by Dzik I guess.  SHE was stuck between a rock and a hard place and when push came to shove SHE put herself first not rocking the boat with the president.

You may not trust her, but can you blame her?   Not entirely because the president used her puppets to execute her plan. 

Get rid of the president and Cabrini will have a legitimate basketball program again.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: allstar scout on December 17, 2006, 09:43:13 PM
Cheap Wiz;

Only student I know of with parole problems was thrown out of Cabrini and accepted with open arms at Eastern!

As far as full time coaches in the PAC ther are none!

Coach Grundmann at Marywood is also the Assistant Ad and coaches another sport in the spring so he would be on the campus full time.

The rest are Part time.

Might need a refund from the Dollar Store on your Info!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on December 18, 2006, 12:36:51 AM
$10 to watch Cabrini play? How do they keep the huge masses who buy endzone seats from migrating to the center? I hear the women's team might be worth the price of admission. I think every team in the PAC should raise their ticket prices for their home Cabrini game to retaliate.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on December 18, 2006, 12:46:27 AM
Interesting side note. All of the players who saw time in Eastern's last five games are at their first college. I know this is a new thing for Eastern, and it will obviously change if Bobby Black returns to play second semester, but I am curious to know if there are any other PAC teams using this model. Not knocking the transfer route, but one team starts a kid playing for his third PAC school. Just throwing it out there to see if it will stick. Also, No Wesley chatter on the board, and at this point they could be classified as being as dissappointing as Cabrini. I know they are out of state, but why is no one talking about that?

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: allstar scout on December 18, 2006, 07:34:34 AM
Chair:

First of all Bobby Black was enrolled at Cabrini until Dzik got let go They a;so have Ben Easley coming back who has been at several colleges,Cabeini, Del. Val. , Com College, Wesley has the big kid who transferred in from Del State, Neumann has DJ Fritz transfer from Phila. U and there are others.

Not unusual in DIII for kids to move around, just unusual for there to be kids still trying to play by trying to get over on the NCAA with they're eligibility. I have been told the NCAA are looking at DIII because of kids going to a school for a semester to play then dropping and transferring. Several players are being looked at now!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: allstar scout on December 18, 2006, 08:35:35 AM
WolfPac:

They only charged you $10.00 because they had your picture on the "Most Wanted " list at the front desk!

$5.00 is the going rate!



Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 18, 2006, 11:29:31 AM
Quote from: allstar scout on December 17, 2006, 09:43:13 PM
Cheap Wiz;

Only student I know of with parole problems was thrown out of Cabrini and accepted with open arms at Eastern!

As far as full time coaches in the PAC ther are none!

Coach Grundmann at Marywood is also the Assistant Ad and coaches another sport in the spring so he would be on the campus full time.

The rest are Part time.

Might need a refund from the Dollar Store on your Info!

EU probably has a better chance of helping a student out than a school with a nincompoop for a president.  I'm voting that EU keeps its arms wide open for deserving kids.

I'm not going to argue with you guys about the full-time thing anymore.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 18, 2006, 11:35:01 AM
Quote from: allstar scout on December 18, 2006, 07:34:34 AM
Chair:

First of all Bobby Black was enrolled at Cabrini until Dzik got let go They a;so have Ben Easley coming back who has been at several colleges,Cabeini, Del. Val. , Com College, Wesley has the big kid who transferred in from Del State, Neumann has DJ Fritz transfer from Phila. U and there are others.

Not unusual in DIII for kids to move around, just unusual for there to be kids still trying to play by trying to get over on the NCAA with they're eligibility. I have been told the NCAA are looking at DIII because of kids going to a school for a semester to play then dropping and transferring. Several players are being looked at now!

All Star, it sounds like Bobby Black coming back to play for EU is still up in the air.  Are you saying that Ben Easley is going to play at EU, or somewhere else?

I agree.  It's not unusual for D3 kids to move around, but it seems a bit much when they go to more than two schools.  Hopefully it's more of an academic concern (in that the schools weren't the right fit), but on Black and Easley's part, it seemed to be more of an athletic concern.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 18, 2006, 11:38:18 AM
Ditto on the PAC schools raising the price of admission when Cabrini comes to play.  For that price at Cabrini, I think Cavaliers fans would be better off watching a movie at Wayne Theater.  Then again, they can watch the women beat up on their opponents on a 2-for-1 deal.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 18, 2006, 04:46:26 PM
$10 is a lot if it is true, but to be honest, I would rather pay that at Cabrini, then pay that same amount for a Sixers ticket at the moment (courtside or nosebleed).

Alvernia hopefully won't have a let down tomorrow against an always tough F&M squad. I know someone mentioned Miseri and Wilkes on the 23rd. What other good PAC action is going on this week?

What is the exact situation with Black? Injuries or grades or both? I have heard all sorts of nonsense.

Does anyone exist at the following PAC schools on here? GMC, Marywood, Miseri, Wesley and Arcadia? We never hear anything about these schools!! Come on people, talk it up.

I think this is magical post #400, WHOO HOO!!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 18, 2006, 05:01:26 PM
I could be mistaken, but the 10.00 may have been for a playoff game which was awhile ago.......

Still a better deal than the sixers I agree..
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 18, 2006, 05:05:19 PM
Quote from: allstar scout on December 18, 2006, 08:35:35 AM
WolfPac:

They only charged you $10.00 because they had your picture on the "Most Wanted " list at the front desk!

$5.00 is the going rate!







Come to think of it I was on their most wanted list passing out the KeepJohnDzik literature at the front desk.   

I may be mistaken but I am sure they charge 10.00 for the center vs. the end seating  while Dzik was there.  They actually had real tickets printed as well.. may signify it was a playoff game which may have justified the price.  I am almost positive the sections were roped off and the ends were the cheap seats.  If I am wrong I apologize. 


Maybe Cabrini will start paying people to go to the game if the Cavs lose to Arcadia after the holidays.   

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on December 18, 2006, 06:41:05 PM
CHIZ WIZ PLEASE RESPONG TO MY PREVIOUS POST:

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"I am NOT wrong about the Cabrini AD pushing out Dzik. I dont need any phone numbers, I can go to the Piedmont website and get John's phone number myself thank you. And you can also go to www.keepjohndzik.com and read the following quote:

"As you are aware, it was not my decision to leave the college. I was forced out by one person – Dr. Toni Iadarola. The blame lies clearly with her. Regardless of what spin you may hear from her subordinates, Toni carefully orchestrated a plan for my removal." - John Dzik

Dzik gave the AD his job. The AD had NOTHING to do with Dziks removal. It was ALL the president. But you said I should review my sources before I post..... I just did that. Yes, my source this time is John Dzik himself."



Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: allstar scout on December 19, 2006, 12:33:55 AM
Chiz;

My information has the former ward of the state returning to play at Eastern for the second semester!

The headlines might go something like this:
"Easley returns to Eastern and is caught as an ineligible player by the NCAA and the Eastern Eagles are put on probation for four years!"

Those of us who support Cabrini athletics strongly support Easley to EU!!
He does the same thing to  the Eastern team as T.O did to the Eagles last year, dissention That is why Black may not return because of what happened last year between the two of them!

Wouldn't be proud to be an EU guy if that happens, gives the school a bad name and coach N a black eye!
I guess I am surprised that the school would allow such a thing  but it is what it is!


And Wolfie:

The price is $5.00 for entrance! But we would be happy to have you over and accept your $10.00 any time!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 19, 2006, 01:18:25 AM
All Star,

That was all very entertaining.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on December 19, 2006, 01:19:38 AM
I do not think Easley has eligibility left, very doubtful he will be playing at EU again. Black should return second semester as he is battling an injury.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on December 19, 2006, 01:53:00 AM
wolfpac I think you  should check your sources on Easley and his return. He is currently working toward his degree at Eastern, but he does not have eligibility.  As for Black, his return will be contingent upon the results of his classes from first semester. when he got sick he missed a ton of school. not to mention basketball. he will have to take care of all that as soon as he is healthy. he was at Eastern's last home gamen but he was still struggling with dizziness.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: allstar scout on December 19, 2006, 08:41:05 AM
Chiz:

Glad to offer some humor with the post!

Can't always be so serious!

Sources are definitely saying Easley will return, I agree he does not have eligibility left! Went to too many schools.

I also agree he was an embarrassment last year, and a problem for the team and team chemistry!


Chairman:

Easley was one of your kids before? You seem to know him well!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 19, 2006, 11:23:44 AM
Quote from: allstar scout on December 19, 2006, 08:41:05 AM
Chiz:

Glad to offer some humor with the post!

Can't always be so serious!

Sources are definitely saying Easley will return, I agree he does not have eligibility left! Went to too many schools.

I also agree he was an embarrassment last year, and a problem for the team and team chemistry!


Chairman:

Easley was one of your kids before? You seem to know him well!

AllStar, all kidding aside, your sources are incorrect.  While Easley or people around him may think he is going to play for EU, it will take more than him giving his "well-earned non-drug money" to the school for him to be given the chance to get more turnovers.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on December 19, 2006, 11:45:34 AM
Quote from: Coach K on December 18, 2006, 04:46:26 PM
$10 is a lot if it is true, but to be honest, I would rather pay that at Cabrini, then pay that same amount for a Sixers ticket at the moment (courtside or nosebleed).

Alvernia hopefully won't have a let down tomorrow against an always tough F&M squad. I know someone mentioned Miseri and Wilkes on the 23rd. What other good PAC action is going on this week?

What is the exact situation with Black? Injuries or grades or both? I have heard all sorts of nonsense.

Does anyone exist at the following PAC schools on here? GMC, Marywood, Miseri, Wesley and Arcadia? We never hear anything about these schools!! Come on people, talk it up.

I think this is magical post #400, WHOO HOO!!


Not much room on hear for non Alvernia/Eastern junkies and/or non-Cabrini bashers.
I've seen a bunch of PAC games this year and the league is as wide-open as ever.  Any night, anyone can win.  Thats good for competition.
With several wins against the "powerhouse" MAC, it would appear the gap has closed.  Now that the MAC is digging in to the PAC for teams, the gap will only get smaller.  To be honest I'm not sure there is a gap anymore, just a perception issue.

Any comments?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: allstar scout on December 19, 2006, 12:39:30 PM
Chiz:

The information I spoke of came right from the horses mouth as Ben told many people. If I am wrong I certainly apologise as we do not need bad information being spread on the board although there sure seems to be a lot!

Anyway I will do some questioning and will hit you back later when and if I get more insight into this subject.

Stay tuned for more!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 19, 2006, 02:06:04 PM
Quote from: chairman on December 19, 2006, 01:53:00 AM
wolfpac I think you  should check your sources on Easley and his return. He is currently working toward his degree at Eastern, but he does not have eligibility.  As for Black, his return will be contingent upon the results of his classes from first semester. when he got sick he missed a ton of school. not to mention basketball. he will have to take care of all that as soon as he is healthy. he was at Eastern's last home gamen but he was still struggling with dizziness.

Check who you respond to please... I never mentioned a word about B. Easley.  I only like his gold chains not his style of play. I think you mean scout or chiz or eagle or something but I never commented on Easley.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 19, 2006, 02:07:49 PM
Sad note:

Cabrini grad and former player Marty Clancy passed away this weekend.

No Details as of yet.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 19, 2006, 05:13:18 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on December 19, 2006, 02:07:49 PM
Sad note:

Cabrini grad and former player Marty Clancy passed away this weekend.

No Details as of yet.

In total respect, rest in peace, Marty.  I'm sure the Cabrini and PAC community will miss Mr. Clancy.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 19, 2006, 05:19:25 PM
Quote from: allstar scout on December 19, 2006, 12:39:30 PM
Chiz:

The information I spoke of came right from the horses mouth as Ben told many people. If I am wrong I certainly apologise as we do not need bad information being spread on the board although there sure seems to be a lot!

Anyway I will do some questioning and will hit you back later when and if I get more insight into this subject.

Stay tuned for more!

No need to apologize, All Star.  We all give incorrect information at times.  I believe that you spoke to Ben and am not surprised that he wants to play and thinks he is going to play.  However, I will match anybody's bet if they say he is going to play for EU.  My information, which is probably better than Ben's, says he is definitely not playing for EU.

I'm sure the team would love to have him as a donor to the program.  By the way, has anybody ever asked him where he got the money for that great car he drives?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 19, 2006, 05:46:45 PM
hoopzwiz,

Yeah, I get what you're hinting at.  I don't think the MAC is as mighty as it used to be or feels it is.  However, which top half teams in the MAC has the PAC beaten?  Just one - E-town, who is not currently in the top of the MAC-C.  Our schedule against both MAC F & C is below.

Susquehanna beats Marywood 95-57
Neumann beats E-town 72-69
Widener beats Immac 87-78
Leb Val beats Arcadia 56-49
Del Val beats Arcadia 59-55
Widener beats Cabrini 61-46
Susquehanna beats Miseri 70-68
DeSales beats Cabrini 69-63
Miseri beats DeSales 85-80
Wilkes beats Immac 78-72
Scranton beats Miseri 57-48
Alvernia beats Albright 93-85
Scranton beats Cabrini 89-60

The PAC's record is 3-10 against the PAC.  As much as I'd like to see us succeed against the MAC and prove that we are better than them, but the limited stats here show that such is not true.

hoopzwiz, while I think the gap is closing, it is not even or near there.  While there are a few games yet, I still think the MAC has an easy argument that it is a better conference currently.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 19, 2006, 05:54:34 PM
Chiz,

Kudos on the effort.  I had a stinky suspicion that research would show a less than stellar result against the MAC season to date.  Anyone feel like running a little more research on remaining schedule against the MAC?  I wonder if we can get back to .500.  Alvernia had just one MAC school on the schedule and the Crusaders contributed with a win over Albright.  That leads me to believe there is a less than slim chance that we have seven of more MAC games left.

Alvernia / F&M live on the web starting at 7:30 tonight.
http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/mbball/
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 19, 2006, 07:14:21 PM
MAC v. PAC ... does it really matter? I hope, for certain posters, this isn't one of those "mine's-bigger-than-yours" infantile contests. Life's too short for such nonsense.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on December 19, 2006, 08:49:41 PM
While it is not the only validation of the league, there is no doubt that PAC coaches find themselves recruiting against MAC coaches for players probably more than any other conference. Just looking at the list, a lot of those PAC-MAC games have featured PAC teams near the bottom of the league. Cabrini, Arcadia, Marywood, and immaculata are a combined 0-7 (immaculata has come up just short in its two games. Miseri at 1-2 vs. the MC is probably a playoff team in the PAC, and Neumann and Alvernia, who look to be contenders are each 1-0. It is hard to compare Apples to apples on this one. Eastern starts second semester against Widener.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 19, 2006, 09:59:33 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on December 19, 2006, 07:14:21 PM
MAC v. PAC ... does it really matter? I hope, for certain posters, this isn't one of those "mine's-bigger-than-yours" infantile contests. Life's too short for such nonsense.

Warren, I hope you didn't get to your d3 posting status by being so negative and insulting to everybody.

This issue is just a simple comparison between two conferences in the same region and with many instances of comparison each year.  And yes, it does matter, at least on this board, where we are not solving world peace or the question of life.

What would YOU like us to discuss, Oh Mighty One?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 19, 2006, 10:35:45 PM
Wasn't at the game, but a 72-58 victory for the Crusaders against F&M tonight. Good win for them against a storied program. Was anyone at the game? Jon, recap up yet?

PAC vs. MAC, does it matter. Well, why does everyone compare the ACC to the Big East, or the Big 10 to the Big 12. Does it really matter, probably not. But it does give us something to discuss, and I think any conference should have a bit of pride when teams from it do well in post season and nonconference play. It will be interesting to see how things shape up with the new Landmark conference forming next year and the MAC losing a few teams. Will the new conference be associated with the mid-atlantic region?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 19, 2006, 10:39:58 PM
Quote from: Jon on December 19, 2006, 05:54:34 PM
Chiz,

Kudos on the effort.  I had a stinky suspicion that research would show a less than stellar result against the MAC season to date.  Anyone feel like running a little more research on remaining schedule against the MAC?  I wonder if we can get back to .500.  Alvernia had just one MAC school on the schedule and the Crusaders contributed with a win over Albright.  That leads me to believe there is a less than slim chance that we have seven of more MAC games left.

Alvernia / F&M live on the web starting at 7:30 tonight.
http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/mbball/

Jon,

Here's what the PAC has left vs the MAC this season:

Tonight:  Alvernia beats F&M 72-58
Dec 22: Miseri @ Kings
23: Miseri v Wilkes
Jan 3: EU @ Widener
4: Del Val @ EU
Marywood @ Wilkes
5: Immac @ DeSales
8: GMC @ Del Val

So, current record against MAC is 4-10.  With 7 games left.  The PAC can even it up.  I'll even go so far as making a few predictions (with my EU bias being obvious):

Miseri over Kings and loses to Wilkes
EU over Widener and Del Val
Marywood loses to Wilkes
Immac over DeSales
GMC over Del Val

If my predictions are true, with the current record added in, the MAC-PAC record this year will be 12-9 MAC.  Just conjecture, you see.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 19, 2006, 10:48:06 PM
News from the Rumor Mill:

1.  Cabrini players are meeting together to talk about their problems with Macciocca (w/o him being present) - mutiny?
2.  Leslie Danehy (Cabrini AD) is presenting the dirt on Macciocca to her superior(s) to mull over the idea of getting a new coach mid-stream.
3.  Macciocca may be filing his W-4 in 2007 with one source of income - as a men's clothing salesman.

News that I don't consider a rumor (I have a trustworthy sources):

1.  An asst. coach at Cabrini (to remain anonymous presently) has called Dailey and Fitzgerald, asking them if they would return to play next semester if Macciocca is gone.
2.  There is much unrest amongst the current Cabrini players regarding Macciocca.

Where there's smoke . . .
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 19, 2006, 10:49:43 PM
Coach K,

Don't take this as 100% gospel, but I think the Landmark conference will be considered part of the mid-atlantic region.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 19, 2006, 11:06:34 PM
Chizwiz,

Take F&M out of the MAC conversation.  The Diplomats belong to the Centennial Conference.

The recap for tonight's F&M / Alvernia game is available at Crusaders.com (http://athletics.alvernia.edu) complete with box score and play-by-play.  F&M won the battle of the boards, 41-26, including 19 offensive boards with stretches of three and four straight offensive attempts.  The Dips had a 1-0 lead, and that was their last.  The score was tied at 28-all late first and Alvernia led by at least five for most of the second half.

By now you should know what you're going to see from the Dips.  They didn't shoot well from the outside (2-for-18 from the arc), which didn't do anything to open up their inside game, although you wouldn't know that from the rebounding numbers.  Outerbridge had an off game (0-for-9) which was helpful and F&M also shot 54 percent from the free throw line (14-for-26).

It was a fairly electirc atmosphere at the PEC, considering the winter break just started.  There were a number of local groups filling the stands for a game that will be aired on tape delay by SPORTSfever on Christmas Day.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 19, 2006, 11:13:19 PM
Thanks, Jon.  I think I was working too quickly and didn't check it, plus I get some of the teams in this area confused regarding conferences sometimes.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: allstar scout on December 19, 2006, 11:38:14 PM
Chiz:

Be careful what you say on this board.

I have heard nothing about what you posted regarding Dailey and Fitzgerald.

I do believe they would want dailey back not Fitzgerald.

If there is something going on then it should remain inside the Cabrini House until there is a decision, or if there is something going on.

Let things play out if something is going to happen. And I never said I spoke to Ben but he told people, just want the record straight.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on December 20, 2006, 12:25:12 AM
Chiz,

You seem to know an awful lot about what is going on at Cabrini to be an Eastern guy?? Aren't we suppose to be on the same side?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 20, 2006, 12:32:59 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 19, 2006, 10:49:43 PM
Coach K,

Don't take this as 100% gospel, but I think the Landmark conference will be considered part of the mid-atlantic region.

I would put it in the Atlantic, FWIW.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 20, 2006, 09:27:04 AM
Is there a certain rhyme or reason to how the NCAA establishes regions?

Anyone know the PAC record vs. the Centennial Conference while we are on the PAC vs. MAC thing?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 20, 2006, 09:57:26 AM
Answered some of my own questions with other conference matchups

Centennial 1-3

Alvernia 72 F and M 58
Swarthmore 75, Arcadia 66
Gettysburg 77, Wesley 67
Johns Hopkins 71, Immaculata 58

CAC 0-2

Catholic 85, Neumann 73
Marymount 69, Immaculata 61

NEAC 1-2
Cabrini 79, Penn State Berks 63
Baptist Bible 55, Misericordia 52
Baptist Bible 60, Marywood 53
Arcadia 49, Penn State Berks 45

Combined 7-17 nonleague, going off what I know from the PAC site, of mid atlantic region games.

The Rest
Rowan 92, Gwynedd-Mercy 76
Rowan 72, Cabrini 50
Neumann 113, Penn 61
Richard Stockton 68, Neumann 65
York (NY) 64, Wesley 54
Peidmont 95, Wesley 89 (OT)
Marywood 98, Davis 56
George Fox 63, Alvernia 56
Cal Lutheran 71, Alvernia 67
Eastern 87, Lancaster Bible 78
New Jersey City 91, Gwynedd-Mercy 76
Emory & Henry 129, Cabrini 112
Gwynedd-Mercy 80, Emmanuel 77
Neumann 68, Adrian 62
Rensselear 57, Arcadia 55
Alvernia 71, Baldwin Wallace 62
McMurry 75, Immaculata 61
Franklin 94, Eastern 71
Richard Stockton 85, Wesley 72
Misericordia 69, Penn State Hazelton 59
Wooster 128, Cabrini 71
Stevens Institute of Technology 59, Arcadia 54
Alvernia 74, Rutgers Camden 55
Whitworth 95, Eastern 67

8-16 vs. the rest

Lots of close games on the list, but also a ton of clunkers.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 20, 2006, 10:38:52 AM
Jon,

Great work there.  I'd give you a karma + point, but I don't know how.  Can anyone advise?

East Coast,

Did I pick sides?  I guess I did earlier by mentioning my support for EU.  But I definitely want to be less biased than the average fan, especially by having my facts straight.  I'm not quite sure what your complaint is.  Is there anything wrong with me having connections in the Cabrini faction in order to get inside information?

Scout,

You should heed your own words on being careful.  As far as my sources and knowledge go, I still haven't said anything major that is or was inaccurate.  Don't be surprised about the Dailey & Fitzgerald thing.  That's very new news, with some of it being rumor.  I think I made that clear by saying what was rumor and what I know to be true.  I would imagine, though, that your Cabrini education doesn't require you to have great reading comprehension.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 20, 2006, 10:50:53 AM
Quote from: allstar scout on December 19, 2006, 11:38:14 PM
Chiz:

Be careful what you say on this board.

I have heard nothing about what you posted regarding Dailey and Fitzgerald.

I do believe they would want dailey back not Fitzgerald.

If there is something going on then it should remain inside the Cabrini House until there is a decision, or if there is something going on.

Let things play out if something is going to happen. And I never said I spoke to Ben but he told people, just want the record straight.

You are confused if you think they wouldn't want Fitzy back at Cabrini.  He was a great player and a better kid.  But, you being a Cabrini guy, I'm sure you don't want talent or skill at the school, as you all have proven in the past with Dzik.

If there is something going on that's interesting, and I find out about it, I'm going to tell people about it.  That's the whole point to d3hoops.com.  What else are we supposed to talk about here, the Farmers' Almanac?  I'm not giving up my sources, but suffice it to say that they are very good and the facts will out.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 20, 2006, 11:46:21 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 20, 2006, 10:38:52 AM
Jon,

Great work there.  I'd give you a karma + point, but I don't know how.  Can anyone advise?

East Coast,

Did I pick sides?  I guess I did earlier by mentioning my support for EU.  But I definitely want to be less biased than the average fan, especially by having my facts straight.  I'm not quite sure what your complaint is.  Is there anything wrong with me having connections in the Cabrini faction in order to get inside information?

Scout,

You should heed your own words on being careful.  As far as my sources and knowledge go, I still haven't said anything major that is or was inaccurate.  Don't be surprised about the Dailey & Fitzgerald thing.  That's very new news, with some of it being rumor.  I think I made that clear by saying what was rumor and what I know to be true.  I would imagine, though, that your Cabrini education doesn't require you to have great reading comprehension.

I hope it is true and Dailey would come back to Cabrini, regardless of whether their currnet coach is there or not. He would be a good addition for them
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 20, 2006, 11:48:18 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 20, 2006, 10:50:53 AM
If there is something going on that's interesting, and I find out about it, I'm going to tell people about it.  That's the whole point to d3hoops.com.  What else are we supposed to talk about here, the Farmers' Almanac?  I'm not giving up my sources, but suffice it to say that they are very good and the facts will out.

They had better be right because your posting privileges are on the line. Terms of Service demand published backup for your rumors.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 20, 2006, 11:49:55 AM
Not sure if I saw this on the MAC boards correctly, but is the PAC trying to lure Elizabethtown? Or for that matter any other schools besides Centenary and ND for girls?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on December 20, 2006, 12:03:29 PM
Someone mentioned earlier something about Arcadia leaving the conference next year.  I knew Wesley was leaving but i did not hear about the earlier.  If this is true, what conference are they going too?

Does the PAC have any plans to replace these teams?
Are there any decent options out there?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on December 20, 2006, 12:10:38 PM
With regards to Chizwiz's rumors, I will say that I can conform that these rumors have some credibility cause I have heard them from sources as well.  Whether the Cabrini players actually decide to make their stand against the coach is their decision, that is a big burden to place on players especially mid-season so one cant blame them if they decide to refraim until after the season.

There may be some people who have too much affiliation (i.e players, coaches)with certain programs that are active on this posting site.  I can't control what people do, but for those in this situation, it may be in your best interest to avoid making future postings cause the harm that it can cause may be regrettable.  Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 20, 2006, 12:12:08 PM
PACMan20,

The break down is this

Arcadia and Wesley are each leaving the conference. Arcadia for the MAC, Wesley I believe for the Landmark Conference

The PAC has brought in Notre Dame of MD, an all women's college, as well as Centenary of NJ, currently competing in the Skyland Conference.

They will operate as a 9 team men's league and a 12 team Women's league.

I was curious because I thought someone mentioned E-town in one of their posts talking about going to the PAC. Anyone know if the PAC is trying to fill out to a 10th team, or if someone like Rosemont or ND is going Coed?

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 20, 2006, 12:14:26 PM
Oh, and before I get into trouble, that is not rumor, that is published on the PAC website!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 20, 2006, 12:24:41 PM
Coach K,

Arcadia to the MAC is correct.  Wesley is headed to the Capital Athletic Conference, not the Landmark.  Can't say that I've heard anything about Etown to the PAC before, Coach, do you have a link to where that conversation may have occured?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 20, 2006, 01:38:46 PM
Quote from: Coach K on December 20, 2006, 12:12:08 PM
PACMan20,
I was curious because I thought someone mentioned E-town in one of their posts talking about going to the PAC.

If E-town is looking to leave the MAC, I can't see them entering the PAC. There are claims, bandied about earlier in MAC rooms, that they wanted into the Landmark, but were snubbed in favor of Scranton.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 20, 2006, 02:41:55 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 20, 2006, 11:48:18 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 20, 2006, 10:50:53 AM
If there is something going on that's interesting, and I find out about it, I'm going to tell people about it.  That's the whole point to d3hoops.com.  What else are we supposed to talk about here, the Farmers' Almanac?  I'm not giving up my sources, but suffice it to say that they are very good and the facts will out.

They had better be right because your posting privileges are on the line. Terms of Service demand published backup for your rumors.

No sarcasm here or disrespect, Pat - how do I backup these statements sufficiently to meet the terms of service?

I do stand behind these statements, and am glad I listed certain things as rumor and others as fact.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 20, 2006, 02:43:41 PM
Quote from: PacMan20 on December 20, 2006, 12:10:38 PM
With regards to Chizwiz's rumors, I will say that I can conform that these rumors have some credibility cause I have heard them from sources as well.  Whether the Cabrini players actually decide to make their stand against the coach is their decision, that is a big burden to place on players especially mid-season so one cant blame them if they decide to refraim until after the season.

There may be some people who have too much affiliation (i.e players, coaches)with certain programs that are active on this posting site.  I can't control what people do, but for those in this situation, it may be in your best interest to avoid making future postings cause the harm that it can cause may be regrettable.  Just my thoughts.

PacMan20, just FYI, I am neither a player, coach, or on the payroll of EU or any D3 school.

I do hope that you aren't discouraging me, or others, from posting things that we have found out before anyone else who writes for this site.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on December 20, 2006, 05:21:00 PM
chizwiz

I wasn't referring to you. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on December 20, 2006, 05:30:48 PM
chizwiz

As I claimed above, I also heard both your rumored and factual information about Cabrini mentioned in a previous post.  My issue with that posting is that the situation at Cabrini seems to be bad enough already without the help of others.  What I mean by that is that I am almost certain that the current coach reads these postings.  The situation between the players and coach can only worsen if the coach realizes that players are going behind his back to initiate a change.  I'm not saying your information was wrong, but it may have been helpful if the information about the players, AD and assistant coach were withheld from posting.  That being said you have the right to post any factual evidence that you want, but just realize the possible consequences you may be causing. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 20, 2006, 05:55:24 PM
Quote from: PacMan20 on December 20, 2006, 05:30:48 PM
chizwiz:
... [Y]ou have the right to post any factual evidence that you want, but just realize the possible consequences you may be causing. 

Criticizing a coach or player or team (justified or not) in private is one thing. Same for broadcasting rumors and gossip.

Doing so in public has potentially different, more destructive, ramifications and ought not be done lightly or capriciously and without full awareness of what those ramifications might be.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 20, 2006, 07:25:58 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 20, 2006, 02:41:55 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 20, 2006, 11:48:18 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 20, 2006, 10:50:53 AM
If there is something going on that's interesting, and I find out about it, I'm going to tell people about it.  That's the whole point to d3hoops.com.  What else are we supposed to talk about here, the Farmers' Almanac?  I'm not giving up my sources, but suffice it to say that they are very good and the facts will out.

They had better be right because your posting privileges are on the line. Terms of Service demand published backup for your rumors.

No sarcasm here or disrespect, Pat - how do I backup these statements sufficiently to meet the terms of service?

I do stand behind these statements, and am glad I listed certain things as rumor and others as fact.

It's good you stand behind them but I don't think you'll be able to substantiate the rumors.

That's why we tend to take a dim view of them.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 20, 2006, 07:58:59 PM
I guess I'm not too worried about trying to substantiate something that I have made clear is a rumor.  When prefaced with "this is a rumor", that means that it does not need to be substantiated because it is not being held to be true.  Maybe some of you need to be a little more knowledgeable about publishing norms.

The other things I said will show themselves and I won't need to back them up.

Warren, thanks for the advice.  By the way, I don't think my statements can be regarded as criticism.  They are more along the lines of:  this is what I heard, this is floating around the community, this is true, etc.

PacMan, the situation will not worsen if the coach knows people are going behind his back, it will actually help him to know this.  I've had this situation before as a manager, and me and my staff benefited from me finding out that some of them were talking about me.  A good manager, coach, whatever can handle this.  If Macciocca can't, then he is going to continue to have problems and the solution will become evident for all involved.

Plus, I really don't think that the AD and superiors at Cabrini use this forum to gather much information on their hiring or firing decisions.  (Sorry, Pat.)  Otherwise, Dzik would probably still be there.

Let's all take ourselves a little less seriously.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 20, 2006, 07:59:29 PM
Pat, I still would like an answer to my question on your standards of substantiation.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 20, 2006, 08:03:14 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 20, 2006, 07:58:59 PM
Let's all take ourselves a little less seriously.

For the record, would that be starting with yourself? Kindly advise ....
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 20, 2006, 08:10:11 PM
If any of the rumours are correct, perhaps Cabrini basketball can still be saved if the players take pride and stand up for themselves.  In my opinion, the coach seems to have proven himself less than worthy of taking the Cavs any place.  He must be a good bulls..er.

Guess time will tell especially if Cabrini loses to Arcadia.  Nothing worse than a coach with an extra large ego & nothing to back it up based on the posts regarding the mutiny rumour mill.

Nothing but negative vibes from Cabrini so there must be some truth about the program regressing without their Dzik players.  Coaching changes may solve some problems temporarily, but the president of the college is not a committed person to the athletic priorities of the school.  Afterall, this is D3 not D1 even though the passion & committment of the student athletes may be equal or greater at times for winning.  Just so very embarrassing for the PAC to see Cabrini sliding so quickly.
Much hard work and resources to build a program like the one Cabrini had.  Starting to believe the coach just does not have what it takes upstairs to light the fire. 


Wesley was an asset to the pac though...sad to see them go.

Seems those other schools coming in are less formidable competition.  Why are they leaving?  If the Pac is getting better slowly.. why do they leave?
Do they save money because of location and logistics?

Sometimes things just straighten out themselves.  Optimically wishing the PAC has someone jump out and win a national scoring title or something on that line. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 20, 2006, 10:16:05 PM
WolfPAC,

I agree, Wesley was an asset to the PAC. It seems they were competitive across the board in all sports. Centenary will obivously be a step down in terms of basketball competition; perhaps not playing against Jersey competition will help. I imagine it is hard for a Private school to get quality talent in a state that has the NJAC, arguably one of the toughest conferences in D3.

Wesley leaving for the CAC does make sense for them. That is the area they recruit from, and there is a chance to build more rivalry between a Salisbury State or the other teams in that neck of the woods.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 20, 2006, 11:43:06 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 20, 2006, 07:58:59 PM
Maybe some of you need to be a little more knowledgeable about publishing norms.

Ahem.

I establish the norms on this board. Maybe you need to be a little more knowledgeable yourself. Thanks.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: allstar scout on December 21, 2006, 01:25:04 AM
Wesley is a good school and a good program. The change was made for geographic reasons really. Also they are very strong in football, as is there new conference!

Arcadia is leaving also, it is a shame because they are a good school also.

We have to remember sports is big business even at the DIII level and that the school admissions people know that! And over the next 10 years the enrollment will be determined by sports so it will get even more competitive than it is now!

Chiz:

Remember peoples lives as in livelihood and professions could be riding on people making decisions on the rumors being spread! If there is something going on, let the school handle it and stick to discussing basketball! Not the dynamics involved at the Administrative level! Let's stick to supporting our teams and talking about rivalries! It is okay for us to have some fun with each other, in fact I enjoy the banter back and forth with you and Wolfie and the other people on here!

And I know for a fact that there are administrators, coaches, players, alum, and parents who read this board believe it!!!!!!!!

Just my opinion! Peace!
 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 21, 2006, 09:19:01 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 20, 2006, 11:43:06 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 20, 2006, 07:58:59 PM
Maybe some of you need to be a little more knowledgeable about publishing norms.

Ahem.

I establish the norms on this board. Maybe you need to be a little more knowledgeable yourself. Thanks.

I've never been a good mindreader, nor have I been accused of being one, so I'm wondering how you think I am supposed to know your publishing norms if you won't state them.  I'd like to know what your standards are on this (as I've asked you twice) rather than have you restate your authority on this board.  We all know you're the boss.

Ahem.  You're welcome.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 21, 2006, 09:21:20 AM
Scout, I guess you talking about basketball politics and employment in previous posts has nothing to do with what you are asking us to not talk about?

I believe that my discussions regarding what is going on off the court at Cabrini has a LOT to do with basketball.  Plus, what Cabrini is doing on the court is, well, very uninspiring, to say the least.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 21, 2006, 09:24:40 AM
Scout said, "And I know for a fact that there are administrators, coaches, players, alum, and parents who read this board believe it!!!!!!!!"

Scout, I know this, too!  Why do you think I wrote it?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: D3fan14 on December 21, 2006, 09:31:46 AM
Chiz, I found this by typing in "terms of service" into the search button at the top of the page.Hope that helps. Sorry the stuff isn't in quotes, I am still trying to figure out how to put the text in quotes. This came from the admin board.


Here is what is permissible  ...
...  what isn't.

1. Comments or rumors of a defamatory nature without published  ...
... , we will and will remove them. Repeat offenders are subject to banning from the  ...
... . (That goes for any of the rules laid out on this page.) We  ...
...  address must be displayed on your profile. This is written into the software. [ ...
...  arguments. I have access to the source of all posts -- I would not allow  ...
...  talk amongst yourselves and keep us out of it. Don't use us as your soapbox to  ...
...  an athlete, coach, school, etc. Similar offenses involve "rolling the board" --  ...
... . Learn how to use it. Certainly your professors don't accept papers in all caps.

...
... . No one team needs a conversation of its own. If there is already a  ...
... 's a dead giveaway that you're a fan of Team Y. It's so obvious that you don't  ...
... .com "employee" or otherwise an official part of the site [added 4/07/03],  ...
... , but your coach might not be a big fan of it. You might want to check. Are you a  ...
...  on the board without the permission of the sender. Consider respecting the  ...
... 's wishes to take a discussion offline. If you don't, we will. [added to  ...
...  and work through that organization's Terms of Service. [added 10/9/06]

That's it.  ...
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: D3fan14 on December 21, 2006, 09:36:05 AM
Actually, if I had even looked just a little bit harder, the terms of service is posted at the top of the page.


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 21, 2006, 09:52:34 AM
Back to basketball instead of nonsense.

Arcadia stepping up and beating Chestnut Hill.

2-3 now versus the NEAC.

Anyone at the game with any observations?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 21, 2006, 11:23:06 AM
Thanks, d3fan.  I've actually read that several times before.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 21, 2006, 11:24:16 AM
Scout,

I saw you recently at a game.  I'm just wondering, don't you think it's time to trim that mustache?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 21, 2006, 11:28:22 AM
Quote from: PacMan20 on December 20, 2006, 12:10:38 PM
With regards to Chizwiz's rumors, I will say that I can conform that these rumors have some credibility cause I have heard them from sources as well.  Whether the Cabrini players actually decide to make their stand against the coach is their decision, that is a big burden to place on players especially mid-season so one cant blame them if they decide to refraim until after the season.

There may be some people who have too much affiliation (i.e players, coaches)with certain programs that are active on this posting site.  I can't control what people do, but for those in this situation, it may be in your best interest to avoid making future postings cause the harm that it can cause may be regrettable.  Just my thoughts.

PacMan20,

I just now figured out who you are talking about.  However, I'm not going to be the one to out the offending individual . . .

By the way, would you agree that assistant coaches qualify as people who shouldn't be commenting on here?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 21, 2006, 11:41:45 AM
Friday, Dec. 22nd TBA  Gwynedd-Mercy vs. North Central at Orlando, FL
                            7:00 pm Shippensburg   at Neumann       
                            8:00 pm Misericordia   at King's       
Sat., Dec 23 1:00 pm Misericordia   vs. Wilkes     

Any thoughts on any of these games? Will King's have a let down after a good effort against Lafayette? Second year in a row that Lafayette has struggled with a D3 school, Alvernia took them down to the wire last year.

Misericordia seems like they are committing scheduling suicide here, with tough back to back games.

Don't know a whole lot about GMC's opponent, other then that they are 5-3 in their conference.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 21, 2006, 11:45:10 AM
Correction, 5-3 overall.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 21, 2006, 12:04:21 PM
If athletic performance correlates to enrollment numbers and the welfare of the institution, this implies that Cabrini's enrollment will decline steadily without a mens basketball program that wins.

I thought D3 was on academic priority which is the target of the president of Cabrini and not athletics dollars.

Seems to me Cabrini college doesn't care about quantity of students with the price of attending the school.  Rather the college is looking more at quality not quanitiy which may explain its watered down sports programs.

Sounds like Cabrini is an ailing institution without John Dzik who stood up to the administration for the students while stressing academic acheivement .

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2006, 12:04:25 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 21, 2006, 09:19:01 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 20, 2006, 11:43:06 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 20, 2006, 07:58:59 PM
Maybe some of you need to be a little more knowledgeable about publishing norms.

Ahem.

I establish the norms on this board. Maybe you need to be a little more knowledgeable yourself. Thanks.

I've never been a good mindreader, nor have I been accused of being one, so I'm wondering how you think I am supposed to know your publishing norms if you won't state them.  I'd like to know what your standards are on this (as I've asked you twice) rather than have you restate your authority on this board.  We all know you're the boss.

Ahem.  You're welcome.

Terms of Service are clearly posted on the front page. I have been rather lenient with you on them but I will enforce them to the letter if necessary.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 21, 2006, 12:05:51 PM
Coach K,

North Central just lost to Lincoln . . . by a lot.  But, it was a low scoring game for Lincoln, too (in the 70's).

North Central is coached by a guy that knows how to coach, not that Baron doesn't know how to coach.  I like Baron and watching him coach, too.  But, this guy Raridon at NCC is really, really good.  And NCC is also in one of the strongest 3-4 conferences for basketball right now, and is considered a top team in it.  I don't think GMC has much of a chance.  I'm giving GMC 18 points.

BTW, I'm vacationing in Orlando this weekend.  Do you know when the game starts and where it is being played?  Are there other D3 games there?  I'd love to see the GMC guys play again.  I love watching Santiago play tough ball.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 21, 2006, 12:07:17 PM
Understood, Pat.  I'll be more careful.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 21, 2006, 12:07:53 PM
Jon,

How many coaches does Alvernia offically have?  How many are former players?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 21, 2006, 12:14:29 PM
WolfPAC,

You can catch our coaching bios on the website. http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Sports/mbball/2005/Coaches.asp?path=mbball

Four assistants including two Crusader Hoops alum, Walker and Carolina.  Both are tremendous assets to the program.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2006, 12:21:17 PM
It's called the RDV Sportsplex tournament -- sounds like the name of a building it might be held in. Can't seem to find any info on any of the teams' sites, but the GMC/NCC game is at 1 p.m. ET.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Titan Q on December 21, 2006, 12:53:48 PM
I think North Central's campus station is covering the game...

http://www.wonc.org/



The RDV Sportsplex is the practice facility of the Orlando Magic.

http://www.rdvsportsplex.com/rdvsportsplex/
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 21, 2006, 01:41:02 PM
Thanks, guys.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on December 21, 2006, 01:56:44 PM
Coach K,

Misericordia is playing a tourament at King's this weekend. 

While the Misericordia coach is no John Dzik, he wouldn't schedule himself with two games in 18 hours.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 21, 2006, 03:41:00 PM
Thanks Lefty, I was going off of what D3hoops.com had for the PAC conference schedule. Thanks for clearing that up. Who else is in that tournament?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on December 21, 2006, 06:07:08 PM
Wilkes and Ursinus
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2006, 06:57:10 PM
Thanks. We rely on the SIDs to keep us updated on pairings and game times and such. They all have a login to manage that information.

That's why we put a lengthy disclaimer at the top of the page regarding game times.

Quote from: lefty2 on December 21, 2006, 01:56:44 PM
While the Misericordia coach is no John Dzik, he wouldn't schedule himself with two games in 18 hours.

However, it does look like that's the actual schedule. Are we wrong?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on December 21, 2006, 09:02:38 PM
Pat,

The schedule is right.  My point was that our coach didn't determine the schedule.

Scott
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on December 21, 2006, 09:17:35 PM
Scott,

Who schedlued the games if not the coach?  The AD?  Dave Martin was a pretty good coach in his day.  I am not sure he would have done that if there were any other way to make the schedule.  Sometimes if you want to play a particular team, you have to make some accomodations.

The wost schedulin move I have seen this year is where the guy  at Cabrini scheduled his team to play a game during finals knowing it was likely he would be missing some players.  Brilliant!

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on December 21, 2006, 09:31:28 PM
The schedule was determined by King's - the host of the tournament.

My post was in reply to Coach K stating that Misericordia's coach appeared to have committed scheduling suicide.

The point was that Misericordia didn't set the game times.


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2006, 11:03:33 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on December 21, 2006, 09:02:38 PM
Pat,

The schedule is right.  My point was that our coach didn't determine the schedule.

Scott

Gotcha -- but as you saw, your post was construed as saying our schedule was wrong. Word choice is important. :)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 21, 2006, 11:27:09 PM
Quote from: Coach C on December 21, 2006, 09:17:35 PM
Scott,

Who schedlued the games if not the coach?  The AD?  Dave Martin was a pretty good coach in his day.  I am not sure he would have done that if there were any other way to make the schedule.  Sometimes if you want to play a particular team, you have to make some accomodations.

C

Do you think Dave Martin will move back into the coaching ranks someday?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on December 22, 2006, 12:52:30 AM
RW -

I know that Coach Martin has a young family the he correctly puts first in his life.  While he is certainly capable of coahing again, I am not sure you will see that hapen any time soon.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Leo on December 22, 2006, 02:13:37 PM
Is anyone covering the game tonight against Ursinus @ King's. Thank you.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on December 22, 2006, 03:31:54 PM
Ursins plays Wilkes tonight at King's.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 22, 2006, 05:31:56 PM
GMC loses 44-66 to North Central today in Orlando.  Three starters on GMC held scoreless!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on December 23, 2006, 08:26:00 AM
Maybe not as gly as losing by 50 in your oprning game and giving up 250 points in two games, but pretty poor overall.  This league is near the bottom in the contry at this point.

ntil the schools get serious about the programs, results likt this will pile up.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 23, 2006, 08:40:18 AM
Coach C,

Unfortunately, after seeing the results compared to other leagues and non conference games, I almost have to agree with you. Early on in the season I thought the conference was making the jump, but now they are something like 17-38 overall nonleague.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on December 23, 2006, 02:25:39 PM
A loss to a strong CCIW team is nothing to panic about, but a 22 point differential does make it seem like the Griffins were never in the game. It is interesting to take this current stream and compare it to earlier discussions about part-time coaches. I would argue that conferences with higher percentages of full time coaches are going to be at the top of the country, and it only follows that leagues with fewer full time coaches are going to struggle to compete on a national scale. I am not sure whether this would be a direct correlation to the ability of coaches to be around their athletes or if it is indicative of schools' commitment to athletic programs as part of the educational process.

It is a discussion worth having, and I am sure that many of the schools in the league are having it, but the part time status of men's basketball coaches is only the tip of the iceberg as most of the coaches in other sports are part time as well. Not sure there is an easy answer given the cost of hiring full time coaches. It would be interesting to survey the top 25 over the past ten years to see how many were coached by part timers. I don't have time to do it, but maybe someone has done this or something like this and could report.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 23, 2006, 05:32:02 PM
Quote from: chairman on December 23, 2006, 02:25:39 PM
A loss to a strong CCIW team is nothing to panic about, but a 22 point differential does make it seem like the Griffins were never in the game. It is interesting to take this current stream and compare it to earlier discussions about part-time coaches. I would argue that conferences with higher percentages of full time coaches are going to be at the top of the country, and it only follows that leagues with fewer full time coaches are going to struggle to compete on a national scale. I am not sure whether this would be a direct correlation to the ability of coaches to be around their athletes or if it is indicative of schools' commitment to athletic programs as part of the educational process.

It is a discussion worth having, and I am sure that many of the schools in the league are having it, but the part time status of men's basketball coaches is only the tip of the iceberg as most of the coaches in other sports are part time as well. Not sure there is an easy answer given the cost of hiring full time coaches. It would be interesting to survey the top 25 over the past ten years to see how many were coached by part timers. I don't have time to do it, but maybe someone has done this or something like this and could report.


Sounds like a repeat of institutional neglect once again!  Dollars and cents! Not dollars and a sense of what it takes to win which will bring in the dollars and cents.

The PAC is heading down a dangerous road.  Dzik was a prime example of the administration of  an institution sticking to the mission of education only without regards to winning or recruiting.  Pathetic thing about it is the kids under Dzik learned more about life and became successful financially as well upon graduation. 

Would it make sense for some institutions to drop out of the PAC and go to NAIA or Dii in order to get dollars for a school who appreciates student athletes to a higher degree.

The level of play in the PAC is getting more difficult to watch even with the talent because the conference cannot get over the hump.  Without a full-time coach on campus it is not the same level of committment to the students.  Having a full-time person benefits the students who pay the dollars to come to the school.  Everyone wins! !

Sad to say.... those poor part timers who are coaches do care enough to volunteer their time to help their programs.  The colleges still are using them for smart business decisions in terms of dollars.  The colleges know how committed these sports minded people are and know they can get someone to coach full time with part-time pay because these individuals possess passion.

Again.. the institutions use and milk out of the passionate people what they can without regard for winning from their perspective.  This is a disturbing trend with some legendary coaches leaving with their credentials.  On top of it all, the colleges always have someone such as a player trying to establish his or her career step right in to learn for free using them up until a change a business decision occurs.  The institutions are benefitting from using the athletes credentials unlike non-PAC d3 schools.  The family atmosphere just is not there anymore often enough.

Ultimately, with a winning program, the alumni and the families of the athletes develop traditions with  more dollars and future students wanting to tour the schools.  Sad to say, the PAC is losing my interest quickly. No one probably cares though.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on December 23, 2006, 06:46:55 PM
WolfPac--

Are you looking at coaches who use PAC jobs as stepping stones to better jobs, or players who use PAC playing experience to find an opportunity to play at a higher level. As near as I can tell there are very few PAC coaches who have advanced into better basketball jobs. It seems that they either move into administrative roles, (Martin, McCloskey, and Dzik [albeit under different circumstances] or leave coaching.)

As PAC schools are tuition driven institutions, they have to make the bottom line match up from year to year. That makes fully funding an athletic program with full time coaches a problem. I don't know what the answer is, but as soon as a school hires a full time men's coach, they will have to hire a full time women's coach as well. Add this to the fact that many of the schools in the PAC have rich traditions in other sports that are managed by people who coach in a part time role, and you are going to have to make those people full time as well. That adds up to a very big expense. On the surface it might look like just another $30,000 annually to pay the basketball coach, but it can quickly turn into an additional six figures annually.

Your statement that it makes long term sense to mentor student athletes in their development through athletics is completely accurate. Who is more likely to contribute financially to an institution, a student athlete who flourished in the classroom and on the court under the mentorship of a caring and available coach or a student-athlete who floundered without the guidance of a coach who could commit to his or her development? Further, one could extend the argument when looking at schools that produce coaches and teachers. I am sure that guys who played for Dzik and became high school coaches encouraged their players to look at Cabrini. At $33K per year, it doesn't take too many of those to grow both tuition dollars and development monies. It's derivative math, but it works.

I don't think that winning is the only rationale for full time coaches. It might in fact be the  weakest argument. On the other hand, it also seems likely that there is a correlation on the winning front.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on December 23, 2006, 06:53:04 PM
To continue, I also think it is fairly impressive to see the time commitment put in by PAC coaches who are paid as part-time employees or who have other major institutional responsibilities and would love to see alums from the various schools and programs "pony-up" to make it possible for these programs to go to full time coaches. Merry Christmas to all.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 23, 2006, 10:29:32 PM
Chairman,

Your point is well-taken.  I may have been irrational because of the situation with Dzik.  The snowball effect would cost an institution.

One thing I respectfully disagree on is that there are grants and money available to the colleges for student development and mentorship.  I can give a prime example with a woman's coach at Cabrini who was part-time but is now full-time because a position for women's counseling or something on that line was created because of money being granted.

Perhaps there are loopholes.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 23, 2006, 10:32:10 PM
Sorry, I also forgot to mention the fact that there are endowment monies available as well if a board of trustees or the president allow the money to be spent on athletic human resources.

Happy holidays.

Bless everyone be safe and merry!!!!!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 24, 2006, 06:52:58 AM
Wolfie and chairman,

Very good discussion there.  I still don't know how to give karma + points, but that would be my choice for both of you if I could.

I do like the idea of hiring, compensating, and promoting coaches based on their value of "mentorability", among other beneficial traits that are more available to coaches to use than other college staff personnel.  (not that others can't do similar things)

I do think that moving to d2 or naia (a dying institution) is a bad idea if the problem trying to be solved is money.  What ends up happening is a transfer of academic scholarship and grant money into athletic scholarships.  And d2 schools aren't highly regarded for their academics anyway.  Going d2 doesn't get more butts in the seats, at least not from paying butts.  So, from where does the extra money come to support the athletic scholarships and coaching compensation increases?  Again, academic scholarships and grants.  Not really a good idea, huh?

Anyway, a little off-subject, but my two cents.  Not saying it is always a bad idea to go d2.

Merry Christmas, everyone!

May we all get wins from our favorite team, unless it is playing my boys, then hopefully just in your dreams!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on December 25, 2006, 12:24:48 PM
I agree that grant money is sometimes available, but PAC schools as a rule have very limited endowment monies. I don't have the stats in front of me, but I would imagine that Arcadia, who is leaving, has an endowment in the middle of the range for DIII schools, but I would bet that the other schools all fall in the bottom quarter of private colleges for endowment nationally. That would make it very difficult to allocate endowment monies for something that should come out of an operating budget. On the other hand if alums earmarked money to endow a position, the school would be legally/morally bound to use that money to fund the position. There would, however, be Title IX implications that might lead the school to either not take the gift or to require that funding for a parallel position be made available. We can always hope though.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: kaiser sose on December 25, 2006, 01:18:18 PM
Perhaps I am incorrect, but it appears to me taht this converstion is beginning to take the direction of using the "part-time" status of a coach as a crutch for the prformance of a team.  I do not believe that a coach being part-time is to large a hurdle for a program to overcome.  In fact, if you are near a large populated area (such as Cabrini) the part time status may in fact inlarge your potential coaching population.  Bottom line, many part-time coaches in the PAC have won championships in various sports including basketball.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on December 25, 2006, 02:58:27 PM
The thread started not as a discussion of the inadequacy of the Cabrini coach per se, but rather as an examination into reasons why the PAC has struggled against national level competition on the year. The tallest of the pygmies is still a pygmy. To become a league that regularly puts teams into the top 20 in the country, the question of part-time coaches is part of an overall funding question that needs to be considered. Gwynedd-Mercy had a good two-year run with a part time coach, and they have stayed competitive in life after Gaye, but in examining the difference between challenging for a PAC title and trying to advance deep into the DIII tournament, the question of institutional commitment needs to be examined. It might be easier to get someone to agree to work part-time than it would be to pay a full-time coach $30 to $35K, but I think that a quality coach committed to full time development and on campus is going to be much more effective in all the aspects of developing his team and his players than even the most committed and qualified part time coach.
Can a part-time coach win the PAC? Absolutely. Can a part-time coach lead a team to national prominence? Possibly, but it certainly seems that if that were to happen the coach would either have to be taken care of by the institution or would have too many other opportunities to move to make staying in a part-time position for long worthwhile.  I would still be interested to see how many teams that finished in the National top 25 over the past 10 years have been led by part time coaches. I cannot imagine that more 20 of the 250 teams have had part time coaches, but that is just conjecture.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 26, 2006, 10:27:25 AM
Well Gang...Hope everyone had a nice holiday.


What would the alternative be to not having a part-time coach if a full time position is not possible?

Could it not be done by giving the Part-time coach another job description to keep he or she on campus as a mentor then?

Is this not playing the shell game which I am sure is done in order keep a coach full-time.  Why couldn't it happen.

So.. if a professor or an admissions counselor happened to be a coach then what? 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on December 26, 2006, 11:30:07 AM
Wolf -

There are lots of examples of schools where part-time coaches are full time employees in another office on campus.  Admissions is the usual place for these folks, but there are other spots too. 

Cabrini even has one of these guys (LAX).  Widener used the formula to success as they built thier budget to the all full time athletic staff they have now.

It's a good short-tem solution as long as the plan is to keep moving in the direction of a professional coaching staff.  Part-timers can't be relied on to give the measure of devotion required on a year in and year out basis to build a top program.  Eventually their jobs, (either on campus or off) or their families or a better coaching position get in the way.

As for me, the holiday wqas excellent ... yours?

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on December 26, 2006, 11:32:15 AM
Giving the coach another position is the smart thing to do.  They can be in charge of intramurals, be the SID, or be an assistant AD.  Its not as if other schools don't do it.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 26, 2006, 12:14:28 PM
Quote from: Coach C on December 26, 2006, 11:30:07 AM
Wolf -

There are lots of examples of schools where part-time coaches are full time employees in another office on campus.  Admissions is the usual place for these folks ....
C

Coach C:

Is it not verboten that coaches should have a say-so in admissions (potential for abuse and all that)?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 26, 2006, 04:06:05 PM
Warren,

I know your question was directed at Coach C, but I'll take a stab at it.  At EU, it is not "verboten", per se.  I know the Admissions Director, and I don't think he would let unethical admissions practices happen if he knew about it.  And, he would know about it since EU is a small enough school that he makes or is part of every admittance.

I think it would be a similar situation in other schools.  I think it should be verboten that the Admissions Director also be a coach.  But, even if this standard is held, there is still much room for problems, as you probably know.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 26, 2006, 04:29:49 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 26, 2006, 04:06:05 PM
Warren,

I know your question was directed at Coach C, but I'll take a stab at it.  At EU, it is not "verboten", per se.  I know the Admissions Director, and I don't think he would let unethical admissions practices happen if he knew about it.  And, he would know about it since EU is a small enough school that he makes or is part of every admittance.

I think it would be a similar situation in other schools.  I think it should be verboten that the Admissions Director also be a coach.  But, even if this standard is held, there is still much room for problems, as you probably know.

OK but doesn't the NCAA also take a dim view of any coaches who have a say in admitting students (again, the potential for abuse)?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 26, 2006, 04:44:27 PM
Quote from: Coach C on December 26, 2006, 11:30:07 AM
Wolf -

There are lots of examples of schools where part-time coaches are full time employees in another office on campus.  Admissions is the usual place for these folks, but there are other spots too. 

Cabrini even has one of these guys (LAX).  Widener used the formula to success as they built thier budget to the all full time athletic staff they have now.

It's a good short-tem solution as long as the plan is to keep moving in the direction of a professional coaching staff.  Part-timers can't be relied on to give the measure of devotion required on a year in and year out basis to build a top program.  Eventually their jobs, (either on campus or off) or their families or a better coaching position get in the way.

As for me, the holiday wqas excellent ... yours?

C


Thx for asking.....my holiday was eventful. Got hit in the head with a 2x8x14 ft piece of lumber that fell on me and it hurt! Nice big gash on my temple forehead but I would not go to hospital on Xmas eve and get stitches. (building an addition on my house) Then if that was not bad enought I caught a nice cold as usual so I could not taste the great feast of food for the holidays.

  Thank God for Crown Royal!
Hoping the PAC has better fortune than I do! !

Sounds like the indisputable answer is to keep a knowledgeable coach on campus who is "with it" & devoted to his or her kids/program all the way.  The damn world is so politically correct these days though it is hard to keep anybody good unless the dollars & cents add up.    What happened to the pure love of playing ball and wanting to win at the administrative level?

Are these highly touted officials of our educational institutions so cold, or is it just dollars are the only thing that matters these days.

Cabrini's growth correlated with its athletic department if anyone else didn't notice.  The LAX is not going to get chopped next for dollars I hope.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on December 26, 2006, 08:15:44 PM
A couple thoughts on on-campus jobs. Heatlee- SID/head basketball coach?That would last two weeks at most. Most SIDs sleep in their offices. I can see an arrangement for Assistant AD, as there are a number of ways Athletics Administrations work, and depending on the size of the budget it can be done. Director of admissions would be a ridiculous job pairing, but I don't think that is what you were suggesting. If the basketball coach were to work in admissions, he would have to be hands off on decision making for any prospective players. Eastern has two assistant men's soccer coaches, an assistant women's LAX coach, an assistant baseball coach, and a head men's LAX coach who work in admissions. I know that they are allowed to be involved in recruitment through their admissions roles, but that the final yea or nay comes down to the director of admissions.

I think that many places do pair director of intramurals with a coaching position. If it is done right, and since that is what we are talking about here anyways, that is also going to be a really tough job description. (Particularly in regards to recruiting and supervisory roles that would seem to occupy much of the same time frame.

Wolf PAC, sorry to hear about your head. Seems like it's just a flesh wound though. Get well soon as games start-up soon.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 26, 2006, 09:13:04 PM
Quote from: chairman on December 26, 2006, 08:15:44 PM
A couple thoughts on on-campus jobs. Heatlee- SID/head basketball coach?That would last two weeks at most. Most SIDs sleep in their offices. I can see an arrangement for Assistant AD, as there are a number of ways Athletics Administrations work, and depending on the size of the budget it can be done. Director of admissions would be a ridiculous job pairing, but I don't think that is what you were suggesting. If the basketball coach were to work in admissions, he would have to be hands off on decision making for any prospective players. Eastern has two assistant men's soccer coaches, an assistant women's LAX coach, an assistant baseball coach, and a head men's LAX coach who work in admissions. I know that they are allowed to be involved in recruitment through their admissions roles, but that the final yea or nay comes down to the director of admissions.

I think that many places do pair director of intramurals with a coaching position. If it is done right, and since that is what we are talking about here anyways, that is also going to be a really tough job description. (Particularly in regards to recruiting and supervisory roles that would seem to occupy much of the same time frame.

Wolf PAC, sorry to hear about your head. Seems like it's just a flesh wound though. Get well soon as games start-up soon.




Thx for the get well wish....it stopped bleeding after 12 hours.  Seems to be OK at the moment.

Games will be starting or as I say the PAC officially starts.  I am sure Alvernia will be strong & Cabrini will have to reevaluate themselves if Arcadia happens to beat them.

Heard Dzik was coming up for the January 20th Cabrini vs Neuman game for alumnis.  I really do not think he will show though.  Brings back too many bad memories.

Guess the PAC will evolve into whatever kind of structure the NCAA & school administration allow it to be... just hoping the PAC doesn't become a glorified intramural program without good coaches since the area is saturated for recruiting.    Perhaps we need more marketing geared towards D3 ball as the purest form of the sport.  Especially at the high school level so players don't sit on the bence in some other division.

The student athletes are the only thing left to keep it going if all else fails. If a talented individual can carry the load of the conference.
Oh well gotta split..
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on December 27, 2006, 07:38:06 AM
WT et al -

The NCAA forbids athletics staff from having any influence on financial aid decisions for students, but has never weighed in on coaches as admissions officers.  It's pretty common.

I can think of 2 SID/coach combinations.  It's tough but doable.

As for coach and admissions honcho, nah, too much responsibility on both sides of the ledger.

I am worreid for this league.  I think it is sliding backwards due to instutional neglect.  I can see it dusappearing in the next round of conferecen consolidations.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 27, 2006, 09:42:56 AM
chairman,

I think the SID/coach thing is doable.  Especially if it happens to be at EU where there is very little to do and not much is expected.

Warren,

Good point.  I really don't know what the ultimate say of NCAA is on this.  I would imagine that there is a definite warning.  I do know that what chairman said about "hands off" on decision-making regarding admittances is important.  There is a serious chance for recruiting violations if there is limited accountability within the administration.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 27, 2006, 09:47:24 AM
WolfPac,

May your head heal quickly or the liquor dull the pain.  Either way, you should be all right.  Wow, a 14-footer 2x8?  That sounds like about 40-50 pounds of pain!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on December 27, 2006, 02:17:06 PM
Question

If the league continues to struggle, is it a possibility that the PAC can lose its automatic bid for the tournament.  If so what has to happen for this to occur.  Hopefully it doesnt get to this point, but we have to start to be realistic. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 27, 2006, 03:23:43 PM
An automatic bid is afforded any conference with seven or more teams. Quality of conference is not a factor.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on December 27, 2006, 03:37:57 PM
Don't despair PAC MAN. As Pat said the AQ goes to any conference with more than 7 teams, but you are overstating the struggles of the league. While PAC teams are down against non-conference competition this year, many of those games (Misericordia's last three for instance) that have been very tight. Every league goes through ebbs and flows, and while there is no National champion lurking in the PAC this year, there is a good talent pool in the PAC. The PAC champion will in all likelihood have between one and three losses in the league, and they will not by a long shot be the weakest team in the field.

Coach C- Are the SID coach combinations coaching men's basketball? Where? Wesley's assistant coach is also the SID. There are three SID/Coaches in the PAC one coaches Golf and the other two are women's soccer coaches. I know Messiah's SID is also a Women's soccer coach, but I don't know of any schools where the SID would have the length of season and the recruiting schedule of a men's basketball coach.

Are there any roster changes for second semester?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on December 27, 2006, 03:46:59 PM
Chairman -

One of the SIDs coaches men's hoops and one coaches women's.  Both are out of region.

As for the PAC, I would disagree that the talent pool is 'good.'  I would say that it is below average and that it has declined steadily since 2002.

The PAC champ may not be the weakest team int he field, but withthe seletioan criteria being what they are, that is VERY faint praise indeed!

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on December 27, 2006, 05:07:53 PM
Coach C- are they good teams? I'm really curious to know what schools these are. You can message me if you don't want to put it out there. I won't dispute that the talent level is less than it was in the salad days of 2002. Cabrini isway off where they were, Alvernia has a nice team this year, but they are not close to where they were. There is no Willie Chandler (although Misericordia is now more than 2 deep), but I will grant that the talent level is less.

My point to PACMAN is that while it may feel like the PAC is down, it is not a reason to believe that it is down for good or that it is somehow undeserving of an NCAA berth.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on December 27, 2006, 05:26:27 PM
Chiz...

Negative eight? Is that a record? ;)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 27, 2006, 09:26:54 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 27, 2006, 09:47:24 AM
WolfPac,

May your head heal quickly or the liquor dull the pain.  Either way, you should be all right.  Wow, a 14-footer 2x8?  That sounds like about 40-50 pounds of pain!

Not drunk yet!  My eye is killing me and I have a nasty headache but I am cognizant.    Seriously!   Thank you for your concern.   The corner of the board naturally hit me right in the temple next to my eye brow and it bled however I was out cold for about 6 seconds only to find the blood pouring into my palms.  I thought I got hit by my wife with a baseball bat ! ! !
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 27, 2006, 09:30:12 PM
Quote from: Coach C on December 27, 2006, 07:38:06 AM
WT et al -

The NCAA forbids athletics staff from having any influence on financial aid decisions for students, but has never weighed in on coaches as admissions officers.  It's pretty common.

I can think of 2 SID/coach combinations.  It's tough but doable.

As for coach and admissions honcho, nah, too much responsibility on both sides of the ledger.

I am worreid for this league.  I think it is sliding backwards due to instutional neglect.  I can see it dusappearing in the next round of conferecen consolidations.

C

If this disturbing trend continues C.  what do you see happening?  Realistically.    Glorified intramurals or the better PAC teams joining other conferences?   How can lax be successful and basketball not at Cabrini.

What will happen to the region?  Is the PAC only a temporary thing?

Seems funny that without Dzik things seemed to slide more quickly ! ! !
Not just at Cabrini.....
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 27, 2006, 09:35:05 PM
Sorry I could not resist....

Dzik had balls!  Guess thats why is where is now though standing up to that nasty ole  "institutional neglect"  which benefitted colleges well beyond the boundaries beyond Cabrini...  seem like the PAC is powerless in a sense now.  Quality is now sliding and athletes are looking else where it seems.

In all honesty,,,,, what is the drawing card for the PAC if a talented person has a wide range of choices?   Cabrini is Ivy league tuition and there is not a dominant basketball program unless you want to think Alvernia is that good.  Future seems dim unless there is a great coach who takes a  PAC team to the Sweet 16 at minimum!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on December 27, 2006, 10:12:34 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 27, 2006, 09:42:56 AM
I think the SID/coach thing is doable.  Especially if it happens to be at EU where there is very little to do and not much is expected.

Mr. Wiz,

Ouch, I hope the Eastern SID doesn't frequent this board.

Speaking of SID's it's funny how a discussion about how to offset "institutional neglect" has hit on a topic that has been a problem within the PAC for years - part-time SID's. 

Many schools have employed the philosophy that anybody can be an SID: a coach, a trainer, etc.

While it doesn't take a rocket scientist to be an SID, it is a full-time job - and then some.

Having an SID/anything doesn't do either position justice.

While the PAC has come a long way in the area of SID's, too many PAC schools have dragged their feet over the years when it comes to committing to the position.

Just one SID's opinion.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 27, 2006, 11:46:34 PM
Hope everyone had an enjoyable holiday!

As far as the PAC goes, I believe Neumann, Alvernia, Miseri and GMC are as good as any team in the mid-atlantic region.

The other schools have to make a step up, especially Marywood and Cabrini, now that you have Wesley and Arcadia leaving the conference.

The PAC in general does need to look internally to see what it can do to grow as a conference. I don't think the league will disband any time soon, but I think the other schools in the conference need to look at Alvernia, Eastern, and Miseri as models for how to run a program in all sports! Eastern girls vball, Alvernia bball and field hockey, baseball, Miseri seems consistant in everything, they seem to be the schools that are doing it the right way. Cabrini was once considered in this class until the mess with Dzik started up.

A lot of these schools are investing long term. Alvernia (being a graduate, I know this) has built a TON of buildings in the past 10 years and made improvements in their athletic programs, but they don't have a whole lot in terms of a cash cushion endowment. They will eventually get there, but they had to take the step back financially in order to progress forward, attract more students, and eventually get them as part of their alumni base.

I know I am just rambling, but that is my take on things.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 28, 2006, 10:14:38 AM
Coach C,

I actually think the talent pool is good, but young.  I also feel that the PAC coaching, as a whole, is not as strong as other regional conferences.  I think this plays a big role in how the PAC fares against non-conf opponents.

Just my opinion.

I also think the part-time thing hurts the PAC.  To be more specific, I like the coaches in the PAC, as a whole, but I think those who are not full-time (most of them), are not able to be their best because they have to devote a lot of time and energy to their other professional pursuits.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 28, 2006, 10:15:50 AM
Quote from: chairman on December 27, 2006, 05:26:27 PM
Chiz...

Negative eight? Is that a record? ;)

I'm searching for the record on this, but think that I'm going to have to continue offending more to reach the top.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 28, 2006, 10:19:35 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 28, 2006, 10:15:50 AM
Quote from: chairman on December 27, 2006, 05:26:27 PM
Chiz...

Negative eight? Is that a record? ;)

I'm searching for the record on this, but think that I'm going to have to continue offending more to reach the top.

'wiz:

You'll have to far more offensive to equal the negative karma of certain other posters ....  :P
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 28, 2006, 10:21:20 AM
Wolfie,

Does your wife frequently hit you with a bat?  If so, you may want to start wearing a helmet more often.  Or buy her a bat made of balsawood.  You crack me up.

Lefty,

I was trying to be facetious, hoping some SID's would have a good laugh.

I know the EU SID and was hoping he would start reading this board.  I agree with you totally about what you said about SID's.  They are crucial to having a good athletic program.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 28, 2006, 10:22:38 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on December 28, 2006, 10:19:35 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 28, 2006, 10:15:50 AM
Quote from: chairman on December 27, 2006, 05:26:27 PM
Chiz...

Negative eight? Is that a record? ;)

I'm searching for the record on this, but think that I'm going to have to continue offending more to reach the top.

'wiz:

You'll have to far more offensive to equal the negative karma of certain other posters ....  :P

I hope you all realize that I'm not trying to be offensive, nor argumentative.  My comments are just based on my inability to stop arguing when I think I'm right on even the stupidest of subjects.

Thanks.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 28, 2006, 10:28:36 AM
'wiz:

I've seen -40 and -63 in the football rooms.  ;)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on December 28, 2006, 02:47:20 PM
WT - Short of Pat, I'm not sure I've seen a +77.  I'm still amazed that in the week after the Lincoln disaster, I went from +6 to -1... and it wasn't even a Wilkes game!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 28, 2006, 02:52:12 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on December 28, 2006, 02:47:20 PM
WT - Short of Pat, I'm not sure I've seen a +77.  I'm still amazed that in the week after the Lincoln disaster, I went from +6 to -1... and it wasn't even a Wilkes game!

Vide [note the Latin, please] Ralph Turner. He's currently at +265 and rising.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on December 28, 2006, 03:56:02 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 28, 2006, 10:21:20 AM
I was trying to be facetious, hoping some SID's would have a good laugh.

I know the EU SID and was hoping he would start reading this board.  I agree with you totally about what you said about SID's.  They are crucial to having a good athletic program.

Chiz,
I was joking as well.  I'm certain the Eastern SID read your comment.  I thought it was funny - even if he didn't.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 28, 2006, 04:02:49 PM
Quote from: ColonelJohn4Life on December 28, 2006, 02:47:20 PM
WT - Short of Pat, I'm not sure I've seen a +77.  I'm still amazed that in the week after the Lincoln disaster, I went from +6 to -1... and it wasn't even a Wilkes game!

CJ4L:

If you think you've problems now, just try posting something hortatory or critical in the Northwest Conference basketball room. (If you don't believe me, Coach C and I will show our scars -- and they ain't pretty.   :o)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 28, 2006, 10:58:22 PM
Quote from: Coach K on December 27, 2006, 11:46:34 PM
As far as the PAC goes, I believe Neumann, Alvernia, Miseri and GMC are as good as any team in the mid-atlantic region.

Coach K,

How do you say that Miseri is as good as any team in the Mid-Atlantic when they are 3-7?  They have lost to:  Baptist Bible, Scranton, Gwynedd, Eastern, Susquehanna, Kings, and Wilkes, with those teams having a combined record of: 39-23 and their opponents records at 51-39.  This doesn't show a great SOS.  They have lost to some average or worse teams (with a couple tough teams in there).  Plus, with exception to Penn-State Hazleton, all of their opponents are in the Mid-Atlantic.  How are they as good as the top teams in the region when they can't beat most of the average teams in the region?

Additionally, I don't think Neumann is in the top of the region and trying to make an argument for Gwynedd right now is a little early.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 28, 2006, 11:04:01 PM
Coach K,

Plus, how do you leave Eastern out of that conversation when you put in Miseri and Neumann (who EU has beaten) and GMC (who EU is tied with in the PAC)?  Come to think of it, EU is tied for most wins in the PAC right now.

I think you made a statement without really thinking about what it meant.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on December 29, 2006, 11:55:38 AM
Anybody know the way that Karma gets awarded and reduced? Not that it is that important, but I think C-wizzle should get a little bit of a bump for his work on non-conference results/remaining schedule. (Plus we all need to work hard to help keep him from feeling like a bully.) Has anyone seen any roster moves in the PAC? It seems that every Christmas somebody gets a gift of a transfer or occasionally loses someone to grades. What do we know and how will that effect the meat of the conference season?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 29, 2006, 12:19:48 PM
Quote from: chairman on December 29, 2006, 11:55:38 AM
Anybody know the way that Karma gets awarded and reduced? Not that it is that important, but I think C-wizzle should get a little bit of a bump for his work on non-conference results/remaining schedule. (Plus we all need to work hard to help keep him from feeling like a bully.) Has anyone seen any roster moves in the PAC? It seems that every Christmas somebody gets a gift of a transfer or occasionally loses someone to grades. What do we know and how will that effect the meat of the conference season?

Ditto on both questions, chairman.  Thanks.  I needed that.  Seriously, what's the latest word on team losses and additions?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 29, 2006, 10:13:05 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 28, 2006, 11:04:01 PM
Coach K,

Plus, how do you leave Eastern out of that conversation when you put in Miseri and Neumann (who EU has beaten) and GMC (who EU is tied with in the PAC)?  Come to think of it, EU is tied for most wins in the PAC right now.

I think you made a statement without really thinking about what it meant.

Wiz.... based on your last two posts in disscussing the PAC teams ,, this is further evidence of how bad the PAC really is ! !

The day when EU & Neuman are the top PAC teams shows how dilluted the PAC has become.  No offense to either team,  but the parity of weakness is so clear, the PAC may have difficult times ahead.  Starting to sound like intramurals.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 29, 2006, 10:26:43 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on December 29, 2006, 10:13:05 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 28, 2006, 11:04:01 PM
Coach K,

Plus, how do you leave Eastern out of that conversation when you put in Miseri and Neumann (who EU has beaten) and GMC (who EU is tied with in the PAC)?  Come to think of it, EU is tied for most wins in the PAC right now.

I think you made a statement without really thinking about what it meant.

Wiz.... based on your last two posts in disscussing the PAC teams ,, this is further evidence of how bad the PAC really is ! !

The day when EU & Neuman are the top PAC teams shows how dilluted the PAC has become.  No offense to either team,  but the parity of weakness is so clear, the PAC may have difficult times ahead.  Starting to sound like intramurals.

Wolfie,

I don't understand your first sentence there.  What gives "further evidence" of how bad the PAC is?

Also, how are Neumann and EU not supposed to be offended by your next statement?  Are you saying that both of these teams can never be good?  Sounds like it.  That's very closed-minded.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 29, 2006, 10:35:43 PM
Wolfie,

Let's apply your logic to all basketball teams.

Cabrini went from top to bottom.  By your logic, they could never be bad.

Because Lincoln used to be horrid, they can't be good now.  That's a pretty good record for being bad, as you say.

Do you want me to continue?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on December 30, 2006, 04:44:28 AM
"no offense to either team." Interesting you should say that. C-wizzle dizzle has already expressed adequate outrage of the flawed logic of your comments. In reality, it seems only fitting that the two programs should rise. Eastern has for a long time had nationally competitive women's volleyball teams and men's soccer teams, and several other teams (field hockey and women's lax) have been at or near the top of the league. From the time EU left the NAIA and went DIII the basketball coaching job was a part of the job description, and I believe the two coaches prior to Nadelhoffer were also ADs. Small wonder that there was an inadequate quantity of talent in the maroon and white.

The Eastern staff starting with Schauer and moving into Nadelhoffer's tenure has had to work very hard to recruit players into a program without a lengthy history of winning. Has anyone counted the number of assistants on the EU bench? They all hit the road regularly to see high school games. I think they've succeeded in bringing in quality players and changing the mindset of the program, and they should be able to build on the momentum gained over the past two years. Neumann's success for different reasons is no less surprising. They have a very good point guard who transfered in, and they have some other talented players who have been around for a bit. When they shoot well, they will be very difficult to play against.

Rutgers has never been a football power, but I don't think that you can look at their body of work this year and claim that their success was entirely the result of a weak Big East. To do so would be to discredit the hard work of the players and coaches in that program.
I know that seeing Cabrini down is tough, but you can't kill the league because of that.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 30, 2006, 07:33:14 PM
"As far as the PAC goes, I believe Neumann, Alvernia, Miseri and GMC are as good as any team in the mid-atlantic region."

Here is why I believe that Misericordia, even at 3-7 is as good as any team in the mid-atlantic region. Their last three games were against Susquehanna (D-1 transfer), King's (Who is also an excellent team), and Wilkes (down a bit, but still is Wilkes). They lost all three games by a combined 12 points, taking Susquehanna to OT. They defeated Desales who is on a little bit of a roll now. Yes they screwed up against Baptist Bible, but they are competitive every night against any team they played. I am not saying they are better then the competition, but they don't embarress the league when they step on the court in their non-league affairs.

Hope everyone had a good holiday, and that you all have a good new year!!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 31, 2006, 12:18:08 AM
Quote from: Coach K on December 30, 2006, 07:33:14 PM
"As far as the PAC goes, I believe Neumann, Alvernia, Miseri and GMC are as good as any team in the mid-atlantic region."

Here is why I believe that Misericordia, even at 3-7 is as good as any team in the mid-atlantic region. Their last three games were against Susquehanna (D-1 transfer), King's (Who is also an excellent team), and Wilkes (down a bit, but still is Wilkes). They lost all three games by a combined 12 points, taking Susquehanna to OT. They defeated Desales who is on a little bit of a roll now. Yes they screwed up against Baptist Bible, but they are competitive every night against any team they played. I am not saying they are better then the competition, but they don't embarress the league when they step on the court in their non-league affairs.

Hope everyone had a good holiday, and that you all have a good new year!!


We are all dumber for listening to this mindless drivel.

You receive no points.

3-7.  You have no argument with this Miseri thing.  3-7.  Please.  3-7.  Practice?  Practice?  3-7.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on December 31, 2006, 12:47:37 AM
Did you really just say 4 teams in the PAC are amongst the top in the mid-atlantic region?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on December 31, 2006, 01:38:33 AM
Now Chiz, you scam back two Karmas, and then you have to go mixing allusions to contemporary culture. Further, I do think that Miseri has been very close in a lot of games. They also had the distinction winning against Cabrini after being down by 31 in the second half. Sorry, I know there are at least a couple people that forgot that or at least had that image fading from their minds, and I know how much the Cabrini folks want to keep that memory fresh. Honestly though, there are teams in the PAC that can compete with and be in games against some of the better teams in the region, but there are very few teams that could be considered "top teams in the region."

Have a happy new year all.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on December 31, 2006, 07:56:49 AM
The choice of words I used was "as good as any". To be one of the top teams, you have to go out and show it by winning games on the floor and accumulating wins. I guess I wasn't too clear. All I was saying was that those teams I named, and I guess you could throw Eastern in there, could compete with the top level teams, but by no means are they one of the top 5-6 teams in the region, with the exception of maybe Alvernia.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 31, 2006, 11:11:39 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 29, 2006, 10:26:43 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on December 29, 2006, 10:13:05 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 28, 2006, 11:04:01 PM
Coach K,

Plus, how do you leave Eastern out of that conversation when you put in Miseri and Neumann (who EU has beaten) and GMC (who EU is tied with in the PAC)?  Come to think of it, EU is tied for most wins in the PAC right now.

I think you made a statement without really thinking about what it meant.

Wiz.... based on your last two posts in disscussing the PAC teams ,, this is further evidence of how bad the PAC really is ! !

The day when EU & Neuman are the top PAC teams shows how dilluted the PAC has become.  No offense to either team,  but the parity of weakness is so clear, the PAC may have difficult times ahead.  Starting to sound like intramurals.

Wolfie,

I don't understand your first sentence there.  What gives "further evidence" of how bad the PAC is?

Also, how are Neumann and EU not supposed to be offended by your next statement?  Are you saying that both of these teams can never be good?  Sounds like it.  That's very closed-minded.


Chiz,

Trying to say that back in the day it was always Alvernia or Cabrini for the title.... then Gaye came along and Neuman always was in the playoffs but could never close it out with a good team effort against Dzik or McCloskey.

Then suddenly Cabrini dives Wesley improves, Alvernia loses some depth and that opened the door for mediocre teams that could not get over the hump at that time which would have been Eastern, Misri, and Gywen who was always in the thick.   This is what I based the (further evidence) statement on from my perspective.

To this end...  Eastern has a better coach in Nad.... & the McTammeys help a bit for them.  Otherwise more people might have been playing for Dzik instead of Neuman or Eastern if the admin did not shoot the program in the foot.    I admit, Eastern is much improved on their own hard work and committment, but one must admit that the absence of the Cavs gives all the teams an easy couple of wins which puts them over the hump. 

Please-- no offense taken  EU is a great upcoming program and deserves a better facility to broaden its program which would help in rallying the fans to take them to the next level..   however; just because these teams are beating Cabrini does not put a feather in their caps or truly take them to the next level base on the Cavs weakness.

Hope I did not confuse you worse... must be the bump on my head.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 31, 2006, 11:20:42 AM
Quote from: chairman on December 30, 2006, 04:44:28 AM
"no offense to either team." Interesting you should say that. C-wizzle dizzle has already expressed adequate outrage of the flawed logic of your comments. In reality, it seems only fitting that the two programs should rise. Eastern has for a long time had nationally competitive women's volleyball teams and men's soccer teams, and several other teams (field hockey and women's lax) have been at or near the top of the league. From the time EU left the NAIA and went DIII the basketball coaching job was a part of the job description, and I believe the two coaches prior to Nadelhoffer were also ADs. Small wonder that there was an inadequate quantity of talent in the maroon and white.

The Eastern staff starting with Schauer and moving into Nadelhoffer's tenure has had to work very hard to recruit players into a program without a lengthy history of winning. Has anyone counted the number of assistants on the EU bench? They all hit the road regularly to see high school games. I think they've succeeded in bringing in quality players and changing the mindset of the program, and they should be able to build on the momentum gained over the past two years. Neumann's success for different reasons is no less surprising. They have a very good point guard who transfered in, and they have some other talented players who have been around for a bit. When they shoot well, they will be very difficult to play against.

Rutgers has never been a football power, but I don't think that you can look at their body of work this year and claim that their success was entirely the result of a weak Big East. To do so would be to discredit the hard work of the players and coaches in that program.
I know that seeing Cabrini down is tough, but you can't kill the league because of that.



I was probably a little biased as well with the Cavs being down I must admit it.

But others need to admit the PAC is really down a couple of notches and is falling slightly more without the competitive addition of top talent.

I do not want to kill the league because of Cabrini you are correct... but it did contribute to a slight decline without a heritage of the all time winningest program in D111 and Coach Dzik.   Now they are only the 3rd or 4th winningest program in small colleges.  This must put a perspective on how the PAC has been affected negatively.

ONly time will tell I guess.   

I must say I am curious as hell as what will happen if Arcadia beats the Cavs.


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on December 31, 2006, 05:07:30 PM
I've been watching this debate for a few days and feel compelled to weigh in. 

Do you know why we are able to argue about which of the top 6 teams is competitive with the top teams in the region?

I sure don't.

None of these teams would compete for a championship in any other league in the region.  None of these teams is a top 8 regional team.  None can compete for the top 25.

None.

Zero.

Zip.

Zilch.

And that's how the PAC has changed.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 31, 2006, 05:22:51 PM
Quote from: Coach C on December 31, 2006, 05:07:30 PM
I've been watching this debate for a few days and feel compelled to weigh in. 

Do you know why we are able to argue about which of the top 6 teams is competitive with the top teams in the region?

I sure don't.

None of these teams would compete for a championship in any other league in the region.  None of these teams is a top 8 regional team.  None can compete for the top 25.

None.

Zero.

Zip.

Zilch.

And that's how the PAC has changed.

C

Coach C:

To what do you, yourself, attribute the not-for-the-better changes in the PAC?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on December 31, 2006, 06:26:31 PM
Let's start with the Commonwealth:

At this point there are three unbeatens, Messiah, Leb Valley, and Widener. Susquehanna and Etown are both at 1-1 in the MAC. Messiah has played no PAC schools, but beat Albright, whom Alvernia handled pretty easily by only one. Can't make any judgments on the transitive property of victory, but it hardly seems that they are head and shoulders up. Lebanon Valley beat Arcadia by 7. Arcadia is at the bottom of the PAC heap right now. Widener beat Immaculata in overtime. They also thumped Cabrini, but then again....(fill in your own joke here). Elizabethtown lost to Neumann at Etown. Susquehanna beat Misericordia, (the 3-7 team for those who don't recall) in overtime.

I won't do all the work for the other leagues in the region, but if you look at the Centennial, it looks like Hopkins and the rest. Second place Ursinus got drilled by the same two Freedom teams that squeaked past 3-7 Misericordia. In the Freedom, 8-2 DeSales has jumped to an early 2-0 record, but their only in region loss is to, get this, 3-7 Misericordia. While there may not be a top eight regional team in the PAC, I don't think the gap is as big as the Cabriniites want to make it seem.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on December 31, 2006, 11:42:31 PM
Quote from: Coach C on December 31, 2006, 05:07:30 PM
I've been watching this debate for a few days and feel compelled to weigh in. 

Do you know why we are able to argue about which of the top 6 teams is competitive with the top teams in the region?

I sure don't.

None of these teams would compete for a championship in any other league in the region.  None of these teams is a top 8 regional team.  None can compete for the top 25.

None.

Zero.

Zip.

Zilch.

And that's how the PAC has changed.

C



I am glad someone out there understands ! !

Well said Coach C. ! ! !

People out there need to put things into perspective in an objective way.  The PAC has slipped a few notches.  The teams may have great student athletes who are committed & battle but the conference is not competitive on a regional or national basis.    Wake UP!

Look at William Patterson and tell who in the PAC could beat them!

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: kaiser sose on January 01, 2007, 09:57:47 AM
I think that it is only a matter of time until Neuman gets very, very good assuming the guy can coach at all.  Based upon what I have heard about Stizel it is apparent he is going to recruit talented kids and, because they can get anyone with a pulse admitted, I think they will soon pull away from everyone in terms of the talent pool.

In my opinion, one of the reasons that the PAC has dropped of a bit is the quality of the staff's does not seem as stong as it once was in the league.  Once upon a time you had some assistants who could really, really recruit in the league.  Not sure guys of that caliber are still around.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on January 01, 2007, 10:17:04 AM
Quote from: WolfPAC on December 31, 2006, 11:42:31 PM

People out there need to put things into perspective in an objective way.  The PAC has slipped a few notches.  The teams may have great student athletes who are committed & battle but the conference is not competitive on a regional or national basis.    Wake UP!

Look at William Patterson and tell who in the PAC could beat them!



Having talked to people who have seen William Patterson, I am not sure many teams in the Mid-Atlantic... period... could be competitive with them
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 01, 2007, 11:47:47 AM
And the Centennial teams are better than the PAC teams.  I have seen three of them (JHU, Ursinus and F&M, who STINK) that would beat anybody in the PAC right now.  Including Alvernia.  And yeah Miseri has a win over DeSales, but 8-2 is 8-2 and Miseri is 3-7 in the PAC.

As for Neumann, they have had every opportunity to get players in for years.  Coach Nugent could coach.  So why are they going to take a big step up now?  becasue they are committed to winning?  They always have been, but they have struggled to get guys in who would stick for four years.  When that chacngtes, Neumann will win consistently.

Warren, the problem is that men's hoops is not a priority at these schools.  They would rather be average little liberal arts schools with no distinguishing athletics programs.  That's fine.  If that is what they want, then drop the programs, sell off  the $10 million dollar sports centers to LA Fitness and move on.

C

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 01, 2007, 12:15:45 PM
Quote from: Coach C on January 01, 2007, 11:47:47 AM

As for Neumann, they have had every opportunity to get players in for years.  Coach Nugent could coach.  So why are they going to take a big step up now?  becasue they are committed to winning?  They always have been, but they have struggled to get guys in who would stick for four years.  When that changes, Neumann will win consistently.

Warren, the problem is that men's hoops is not a priority at these schools.  They would rather be average little liberal arts schools with no distinguishing athletics programs.  That's fine.  If that is what they want, then drop the programs, sell off  the $10 million dollar sports centers to LA Fitness and move on.

C

Thanks, Coach. As to Neumann, if their current ice hockey program is any indication, perhaps they've committed to gross athletic improvement. The skaters have 23 Canadians on roster and are very competitive in the ECAC West Conference (which currently has four ranked teams, including #1 Manhattanville); they also have a very driven coach, though he truly needs to diversify his behind-the-bench expletive
vocabulary: every other word out of his mouth is "[sexual congress]" or some variation thereof.  :o
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 01, 2007, 01:34:58 PM
Quote from: Coach C on January 01, 2007, 11:47:47 AM
And the Centennial teams are better than the PAC teams.  I have seen three of them (JHU, Ursinus and F&M, who STINK) that would beat anybody in the PAC right now.  Including Alvernia.  And yeah Miseri has a win over DeSales, but 8-2 is 8-2 and Miseri is 3-7 in the PAC.

As for Neumann, they have had every opportunity to get players in for years.  Coach Nugent could coach.  So why are they going to take a big step up now?  becasue they are committed to winning?  They always have been, but they have struggled to get guys in who would stick for four years.  When that chacngtes, Neumann will win consistently.

Warren, the problem is that men's hoops is not a priority at these schools.  They would rather be average little liberal arts schools with no distinguishing athletics programs.  That's fine.  If that is what they want, then drop the programs, sell off  the $10 million dollar sports centers to LA Fitness and move on.

C



Coach C,

I'm sensing a lot of pent-up anger in this post of yours.  I do agree that it seems PAC schools are not investing as much in sports as athletic fans would like to see.

I do have a problem with you saying that the CC is better than the PAC.  Your proof is that JHU, F&M, and Ursinus can beat every team in the PAC including Alvernia.  This sounds more like conjecture than proof.  Actually, can you tell me who played F&M on Dec. 19?  What was the score in that game?

Plus, I'm not too worried if a PAC team gets beat by JHU, considering that they are ranked 13th in the most recent poll (and the only one that matters).  By the way, Hopkins only game against a PAC team is a win against Immaculata (not a great PAC team yet) and only by 13.

Funny, your CC is so great.  Their best team was only up by 5 with two minutes left against a middle of the road (at best) PAC team.  Way to hit your FT's, JHU!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 01, 2007, 02:20:10 PM
Chiz -

Alvernia by 15 or so as I recall.  I also know it was about a 5 point game with about 6 to play.  Getting back to the original point, doe you think that means Alvernia can win the CC Championship?  How about the CAC?  ANy teams to play with the best of that league? 

I'm not angry.  I am disappointed.  I was there the day the conference was started and the schools that are left seem to have forgotten how bad things were for them before the PAC.  They are falling back down the road they came from.  That's just sad.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 01, 2007, 05:54:35 PM
Quote from: Coach C on January 01, 2007, 11:47:47 AM
And the Centennial teams are better than the PAC teams.  I have seen three of them (JHU, Ursinus and F&M, who STINK) that would beat anybody in the PAC right now.  Including Alvernia.  And yeah Miseri has a win over DeSales, but 8-2 is 8-2 and Miseri is 3-7 in the PAC.

As for Neumann, they have had every opportunity to get players in for years.  Coach Nugent could coach.  So why are they going to take a big step up now?  becasue they are committed to winning?  They always have been, but they have struggled to get guys in who would stick for four years.  When that chacngtes, Neumann will win consistently.

Warren, the problem is that men's hoops is not a priority at these schools.  They would rather be average little liberal arts schools with no distinguishing athletics programs.  That's fine.  If that is what they want, then drop the programs, sell off  the $10 million dollar sports centers to LA Fitness and move on.

C





YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD COACH C.

Men's hoops is not a priority at these schools ! !

The fact that they won't drop the program is another facet of institutional neglect.  Guess it just doesn't sink in.....
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 01, 2007, 06:03:53 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on January 01, 2007, 05:54:35 PM
YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD COACH C.

Men's hoops is not a priority at these schools ! !

The fact that they won't drop the program is another facet of institutional neglect.  Guess it just doesn't sink in.....

At the same time, D3 venues have other -- and often different -- values and priorities than athletic success. If they didn't, they just might as well be competing in one of the lower divisions. (I'm playing Devil's Advocate here, of course.)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 01, 2007, 06:16:11 PM
I was there also when the PAC was started and it is headed back to the wrong direction.

The PAC was golden for a few years but I don't think it was allowed to reach its full potential.   The conference was created with the D3 philosophy in mind, yet because of all the hard work and the athletes I believe it exceeded its boundaries in a sense. 

The conflict is between the committment, passion, and hard work of all the coaches and athletes but the lack of the above from the administration at these small institutions who are neglecting the growth potential from athletics.  These institutions end up riding the coat tails of the athletic accomplishments but do not sufficiently support their programs with such vigor as other priorities.    If athletics was in place only as an outlet for the students why have the program.   Intramurals and club sports would suffice.

It is truly sad when the athletes, coaches, and fans with heart and passion in the PAC are basically stuck between a rock and a hard place.

The PAC is not growing correctly....... kind of like a plush lawn not being watered when you go on vacation in the summer then you come back and wonder why the grass is not as green as the neighbors.   Looks like the house is neglected and it becomes a hard sell or gives off a bad impression.  No one would ever think of investing a few dollars in a sprinkling system which would solve the problem.  Instead, the weeds grow giving off a green impression and it makes other lawns which were not as  nice look even better (EU Neumann).  Technically, the lawn is green (the PAC is there) but it is not a true legitimate lawn per say which is nurtured or maintained.  Just by luck it stays green until the Fall when the weeds die out and the problem is noticed.   ONly its too late in December to plant grass ! !   Now if the owner of the lawn had a sprinkler system and used the Scott's program (full-time coach) then the lawn would be a winner and the whole neighborhood would start to change to meet the standards.
One or two of the neighbors still try though...(Alvernia) but cannot afford to keep the maintaining the lawn.

This will not happen any time soon though in the PAC because the PAC is only worried about taking the trash out right now....... the weeds are still green though so they are keeping the programs.


Hope I am not too way out there.  I have to teach like this to the little guys to get through to them.   I found the only difference between elementary school, high school, and college is the size of the desks.

Please no offense.... just my view.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 01, 2007, 07:02:41 PM
WolfPAC:

While I'm not fully certain what you mean in your post above, perhaps it's the case that some D3 institutions have decided that "athletic excellence" (whatever that means) is not consistent with their goals, objectives, and mission. At the same time, I do not know if this is actually the case anent the PAC members.

(Neumann, of course, per its men's ice hockey program, may well be a notable exception. Whether that is good or bad I just don't know ... certainly, it bears looking into.)

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 01, 2007, 07:06:32 PM
Neumann's ice hockey program is a revenue generation tool above all else.  Those Canadians come here and pay a steep price to play D3 Ice Hockey.

It's not necessarily that neumann is trying to do better in athletics.  They have always been innovators in finding a new revenue stream.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 01, 2007, 07:10:24 PM
Quote from: Coach C on January 01, 2007, 07:06:32 PM
Neumann's ice hockey program is a revenue generation tool above all else.  Those Canadians come here and pay a steep price to play D3 Ice Hockey.

It's not necessarily that neumann is trying to do better in athletics.  They have always been innovators in finding a new revenue stream.

C

OK, Coach C. But what exactly do you mean by "finding a new revenue system"? Aren't D3 sports supposed to be light years away from serving as revenue "cash cows"?  ;)

Plus, just how steep a price do those Canadians pay for the privilege of playing D3 hockey in suburban Philly?  :) (Surely they're not paying full freight, are they?)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 01, 2007, 07:22:26 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 01, 2007, 07:10:24 PM
Quote from: Coach C on January 01, 2007, 07:06:32 PM
Neumann's ice hockey program is a revenue generation tool above all else.  Those Canadians come here and pay a steep price to play D3 Ice Hockey.

It's not necessarily that neumann is trying to do better in athletics.  They have always been innovators in finding a new revenue stream.

C

OK, Coach C. But what exactly do you mean by "finding a new revenue system"? Aren't D3 sports supposed to be light years away from revenue "cash cows"?  ;)

Plus, just how steep a price do those Canadians pay for the privilege of playing D3 hockey in suburban Philly?  :) (Surely they're not paying full freight, are they?)

The Canadians provide "diversity" that can be used by the school in the ranking systems such as the USNews & World Report ranking system.   ;)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 01, 2007, 07:31:35 PM
"Diversity," indeed, Ralph. Yet one wonders what those 23 guys from north of the border make of all those other folks from suburban Philly, a good many of whom have never tried on a pair of ice skates or ever once put stick to puck ....  :o
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: kaiser sose on January 01, 2007, 07:37:00 PM
Coach C - I guess I am not getting exactly where you are coming from on the school's level of commitment now versus say 10 years ago or so?  It would certainly appear to me that more of the institutions have coaches that are employed full time by the schools (this appears to be the measuring stick here for institutional commitment, for some reason) then ever before.

In response to your posting about why would Neuman be better now?  By your own argument - are they not displaying more committment to winning by simply  having made the coach a full time employee?

I get a sense that Stitzel has the "fever" bad.  It has been a long long time since the PAC had a young Coach who was so obviously looking at making this his profession and looked at his current job as a means to an end.  Just call it instinct but I get a gut feeling that Stitzel is going do well at Neuman.

WT - I love all these general comments stating the glory and wholesomeness of D3 athletics!  D1 is bad becausee it is all about the money while D3 remains pure  :P C'mon, the combination of atheltic recruiting and accelerated degree paper mills is all that keeps most of these PAC schools still floating. I am sure you know that without athletics these schools may not even stay solvent.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 01, 2007, 07:41:18 PM
kaiser sose:

Please know that I'm more than passingly familiar with the dark side of D3 athletics ....
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 01, 2007, 10:21:54 PM
WT -

You made me laugh so hard my sides hurt!

I don't know the specifics on the contract that Neumann has with the placement service for the Canadian athletes.  My guess is that they pay about 80% of sticker price.  That's significantly more than the average student at Neumann pays, where the discount rate is about 40%.  both figures are pretty much average for schools like Neumann.

Kaiser  -

Stitzel has the fever.  And he's FT.  The question is if the school will support him as fully as they would need to in order to be highly successful in a very competitive region.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 01, 2007, 11:01:40 PM
Quote from: Coach C on January 01, 2007, 10:21:54 PM
WT -

You made me laugh so hard my sides hurt!

I don't know the specifics on the contract that Neumann has with the placement service for the Canadian athletes.  My guess is that they pay about 80% of sticker price.  That's significantly more than the average student at Neumann pays, where the discount rate is about 40%.  both figures are pretty much average for schools like Neumann.

Kaiser  -

Stitzel has the fever.  And he's FT.  The question is if the school will support him as fully as they would need to in order to be highly successful in a very competitive region.

C


Coach C.   

Would you agree this means the PAC is doomed because of the lack of committment & support from the schools despite the fact that they still have the balls to hire a full-time coach?

This is a disturbing trend!  Seems to me as an educator that the D3 4 year institutions are money making profit centers teaching all the credits they need to in order to comply as a college or university while maintaining just enough recruiting athletically to keep them coming in.

In doing an educational grant study.... the projected way of education in the future is going to change from 4yr institutions for those who have problems paying for college to attending 2 yr community colleges which are cheaper.   The streamlined education at the 2yr college will create degree programs teaching the skills required to do the specific job in society while cutting the fat of courses required at the D3 4 year institutions.   

As a result the trend will increase the 2 year college enrollment and the smaller D3 private schools may be decreasing in the next 5 years or so because of the affordability.  Afterall, why would one pay more for a 4 year college when the degree at the 2 yr college will provide the necessary skills to do a specific job bound by an agreement with a corporation or trade organization.  This means the athletic departments will see a different type of demographic trends migrating as well.

If the D3 schools in the PAC are just using athletics to supplement operating costs then students will look elsewhere unless the financial packages are highly attractive.  In today's world money talks. 

Why then would any of the PAC schools hire a guy full-time if it makes no sense financially?  Guess times are changing and the PAC is in its beginning of the end stage. 

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY TURN THIS TREND AROUND?    Lowering tuition costs or boosting financial aid packages?  Does this mean a polarization between the rich and the poor?

So if an athlete is good enough one will be in a D1 school and all others will be in D2 while the rest end up playing intramurals at an artifical level called D3? or end up in a 2 yr college because of money?  Sounds like the only colleges in the PAC that will survive are the ones that will have about 500 kids paying 90,000 dollars a year ! ! !

Do you agree or disagree?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 01, 2007, 11:05:10 PM
The ultimate question them becomes:

"Will the school support a full-time coach even if they hire one?"
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 01, 2007, 11:14:02 PM
When a student is given a discount on tuition because one is coming in and playing a sport,  who spots this money?

Is it in the total budget of the college or does it come out of the athletic department's budget? If the student is playing a sport and then decides not to play, does one still get a discount if one does not play the sport anymore?   

Does anyone know how this works in the PAC?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: kaiser sose on January 02, 2007, 09:40:35 AM
wolfPAC -
The choice between many, many of the PAC level athletes has always been do I go to a D3 College that is okay academically, take out loans and get to play a sport, or do I go to a State school that cost less and not play sports.  That really is what it has come down to in a nutshell.

As I know you are aware, Dzik changed the historically female Cabrini forever when he told the good Sisters that he could attract male and female athletes to the higher cost institution with the carrot of playing sports.  This forever changed the landscape in small colleges around the Philly area as the rest of the flock quickly followed his path.  Some followed better and quicker then the others but almost all came to the same conclusion to some degree eventually - we need sports to survive. 

I believe what you are suggesting is that the high school student athlete will begin to say that the overall experience of playing sports at the PAC schools is not worth it and will take his chips elsewhere, perhaps even to a two year college.  That is not going to happen anytime soon.  To many of the kids want to play college ball and if you think the institutional commitment at the PAC is bad take a look at the community college world around PA.  It is bad beyond description.

In terms of how the various instititutions are committed to making their sport programs competitive on a national level, I think we have to play with the current hand we've been dealt and see who can play cards the best.  Some are currently flush and some are short stacked but neither means you can not play the cards well and come out on top.  Ever take a look at what they are doing at Gwynedd?  Somone their can really play cards!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 02, 2007, 10:06:36 AM
Wolf,

Please slow down with the doom and gloom.  The PAC is not as dead as you think it is.  Alvernia is a good team and so are some other schools in the PAC.  There are 3-4 full time coaches in the PAC who are very committed to winning, as well as their non-FT counterparts.  I think the talent level has an ebb and flow.

And you are way off on that whole 2-year is going to take over thing.  Nothing like this is even close to occurring.

Oh, did you see the news report that the sky is falling?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 02, 2007, 10:07:41 AM
Quote from: WolfPAC on January 01, 2007, 11:14:02 PM
When a student is given a discount on tuition because one is coming in and playing a sport,  who spots this money?

Is it in the total budget of the college or does it come out of the athletic department's budget? If the student is playing a sport and then decides not to play, does one still get a discount if one does not play the sport anymore?   

Does anyone know how this works in the PAC?

You should know this as a fan of d3 sports, but students are not given discounts on anything if it has anything to do with their participation in athletics.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 02, 2007, 10:13:12 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on January 02, 2007, 10:07:41 AM
Quote from: WolfPAC on January 01, 2007, 11:14:02 PM
When a student is given a discount on tuition because one is coming in and playing a sport,  who spots this money?

Is it in the total budget of the college or does it come out of the athletic department's budget? If the student is playing a sport and then decides not to play, does one still get a discount if one does not play the sport anymore?   

Does anyone know how this works in the PAC?

You should know this as a fan of d3 sports, but students are not given discounts on anything if it has anything to do with their participation in athletics.

Well, yes, 'wiz, that's correct in the de jure sense.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 02, 2007, 12:38:08 PM
I love the talk of discounts for playing sports. How would we differentiate between a discount for playing a sport and athletic scholarship money? Every D3 institution is required by the NCAA to do a self study to determine rates of financial aid for athletes versus non-athletes. The rule is that the discount rate for athletes should not exceed the discount rate for the student body as a whole. Eastern came in with a negative number in their last self-study. That means that  a music student or some random kid with good grades is going to pay less than an athlete. Such as it is. It would be interesting to find the results of those self studies.

From now on everyone, whenever WolfPac or C preach doom and gloom about the PAC, simply substitute the word Cabrini for the PAC and you will be able to understand the true meaning of their post.  ;D

Anyone met Neumann's AD? Neumann's athletic growth is not accidental. They have terrible facilities, but they have a guy at the top who can lay out a plan, and I think they will continue to grow. Also, I don't think Neumann's head coach is FT. It may be his only job, but I think he is still part time.

As for the stuff about the two year schools... What?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 02, 2007, 02:27:09 PM
Lots of stuff to sort through here.

Wolf, I have seen lots of trend alanysis on students beginning to track to 2 year schools in greater proportion.  This has happened to a notable degree in NJ, where 4 year public schools tightened admission criteria, forcing students of moderate means to start at a 2 year school.

Most of the trend analysis, however, shows that the trend is bucked by student-athletes, as they are loathe to sue up eligibility at the 2 year level if they are admittable to a 4 year school.

There has also been some data that shows that students who intend to attend 4 year private schools are largely unlike to attend a 2 year public school unless that 2 years is nearly to totally free and there are credit transferabilty guarantees.

I think the PAC will plod along.  I don't see it ascending.  I don't see it evaporating.  I see it being an "oh yeah, forgot about the PAC" kind fo thing.

Umm Chairman, when did Neumann's AD start?

Wehn did they start adding dorms?  When did they add Lax?  When did they add hockey? 

They have been building the athletic program for years now.  They have yet to break into even the realm of local prominence.

Do you think that the loss of schools like DeSales and the addition of the Might Macs is a good trend?  I think that long term the PAC has issues. 

Yeah, I was a Cabrini guy and all, but you can go back a few years and see that I was concerned that the talent in the league had not improved as the league aged.

Don't make this a Cabrini thing.  I have been a champion of this league for a long time, but I am also very honest.  It's tiem for the PAC to look at the commitment levels of its member institutions.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 02, 2007, 11:22:25 PM
Quote from: chairman on January 02, 2007, 12:38:08 PM
I love the talk of discounts for playing sports. How would we differentiate between a discount for playing a sport and athletic scholarship money? Every D3 institution is required by the NCAA to do a self study to determine rates of financial aid for athletes versus non-athletes. The rule is that the discount rate for athletes should not exceed the discount rate for the student body as a whole. Eastern came in with a negative number in their last self-study. That means that  a music student or some random kid with good grades is going to pay less than an athlete. Such as it is. It would be interesting to find the results of those self studies.

From now on everyone, whenever WolfPac or C preach doom and gloom about the PAC, simply substitute the word Cabrini for the PAC and you will be able to understand the true meaning of their post.  ;D

Anyone met Neumann's AD? Neumann's athletic growth is not accidental. They have terrible facilities, but they have a guy at the top who can lay out a plan, and I think they will continue to grow. Also, I don't think Neumann's head coach is FT. It may be his only job, but I think he is still part time.

As for the stuff about the two year schools... What?


Trust me, the PAC is in a holding pattern.    By the way... don't assume this is a Cabrini thing.   I attended Neuman as well and was involved with Rosemont athletics so speak for yourself please. I also played soccer & ice hockey for 3 years at a local college that is in the PAC now. Things are much different now.


The talent in the PAC is down.  Neumann is going nowhere anytime soon but I applaud their constant growth strategies.  At least they are trying in the world of institutional neglect.    If this was about Cabrini I would not be repeating how successful their lax team has been in the conference and they have a female track star beating D1 runners which is helping the PAC.

Infact, Cabrini has won the president cup so many times for the PAC so be objective please even though their men's basketball program is now a joke!
Cabrini was and is an asset to the PAC so don' t assume this is about Cabrini.  I myself may not contribute to the institution but this is not about Cabrini so please try to see more objectively.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 02, 2007, 11:30:49 PM
Sorry, chairman, forgot to mention also that since Cabrini lost Dzik and the mens basketball tanked, I do not see much about Cabrini in terms of free publicity in the local newspapers.

I don't really see the word PAC in anything anymore! !   Perhaps the rest of the world doesn't really care about the PAC unless they are involved in athletics in the PAC or their son/daughter plays sports, or they work for the institution in some capacity.

It is also getting difficult to watch sports at the D3 level within the PaC after seeing William Patterson, Wooster, & attending games at the Palestra.   There are so many better alternatives that the PAC right now.

Maybe chairman you understand now...... its not about Cabrini  ! ! ! !

I could care less about Whether or not Cabrini wins or loses but it only hurts the PAC when a great program goes south.   I respectfully disagree with you.... the PAC needs to get its act together now before it turns into glorified intramurals.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 02, 2007, 11:34:10 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on January 02, 2007, 10:07:41 AM
Quote from: WolfPAC on January 01, 2007, 11:14:02 PM
When a student is given a discount on tuition because one is coming in and playing a sport,  who spots this money?

Is it in the total budget of the college or does it come out of the athletic department's budget? If the student is playing a sport and then decides not to play, does one still get a discount if one does not play the sport anymore?   

Does anyone know how this works in the PAC?

You should know this as a fan of d3 sports, but students are not given discounts on anything if it has anything to do with their participation in athletics.


I am refferring to the discount rate used to calculate percentage of tuition.  It happens all the time.    For example,  an athlete my get an academic scholarship for 3000 dollars and if tuition is 10,000 that would be a 30% discount rate compared to a non-athletic person getting a 5000 dollar grant or endowment which translates to 50%.  I agree, it is tougher on the athlete though.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 02, 2007, 11:38:48 PM
Quote from: chairman on January 02, 2007, 12:38:08 PM
I love the talk of discounts for playing sports. How would we differentiate between a discount for playing a sport and athletic scholarship money? Every D3 institution is required by the NCAA to do a self study to determine rates of financial aid for athletes versus non-athletes. The rule is that the discount rate for athletes should not exceed the discount rate for the student body as a whole. Eastern came in with a negative number in their last self-study. That means that  a music student or some random kid with good grades is going to pay less than an athlete. Such as it is. It would be interesting to find the results of those self studies.

From now on everyone, whenever WolfPac or C preach doom and gloom about the PAC, simply substitute the word Cabrini for the PAC and you will be able to understand the true meaning of their post.  ;D

Anyone met Neumann's AD? Neumann's athletic growth is not accidental. They have terrible facilities, but they have a guy at the top who can lay out a plan, and I think they will continue to grow. Also, I don't think Neumann's head coach is FT. It may be his only job, but I think he is still part time.

As for the stuff about the two year schools... What?



When will they get a real gym?  Its tough watching NCAA playoff games on tiny TVs in their lobby for the last 10 years.  I actually snuck in through the kitchen every playoff game for free anyway when the tiny little gym was beyond capacity.  Is this any way to treat a D3 team?   
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: kaiser sose on January 03, 2007, 12:35:59 PM
Folks, if I have understood the last several pages of postings correctly, it appears that just about all of you are singing about the current poor state of PAC Basketball in comparison to the other Mid-Atlantic  Conferences.  This sad song's chorus contains the repeated "Lack of Institutional Commitment" and the verses touch upon the full-time vs part-time status of the coach, the facilities, and finally a rousing "Men's hoops are not a priority at these schools".

I think you are all missing the boat about what it takes to have, and sustain, a competitive basketball program at the D3 level.  And what is it, you ask? Okay, here goes – What you need is a combination of a smart AD and Coaches who get "it" in terms of knowing what it takes to build a basketball program.   That's it! Not that hard and not that complicated.  I'll even give you a clue to determining if these factors are in place at your favorite PAC school.  Turn your record over, look at the flip side, and examine the Women's Basketball program at your school

See in the history of the PAC I believe only three current programs have won the Men's Championship and they are, of course Cabrini, Alvernia, and Gwynedd. Hey,  guess  what? Surprise, surprise only three teams have won the Women's Championship and they are again Cabrini, Alvernia and Gwynedd!  You build the teams the same way and if you know how to do it for one then you get for the other. 

Let's take a look at Cabrini. Once they had the epitome of an AD/ Coach in Dzik who got "it" and he also had in place a great Women's coach (who was part-time) who got "it" and they won like crazy.  Dzik moves out of AD job and eventually leaves as coach, they put in a new AD – hire the wrong coaches for both programs - and now they are floundering.  And guess what, they have TEN TIMES the facilities they ever had before! They won before because they had smart, hardcore basketball people who knew what the hell they were doing! And if they were all still there in exactly the same roles they would be winning still.

Take a look at the Alvernia and Gwynedd women's program. They win regionally and in some years even compete on the national level.  Why? How? Because even though the Women's Coach at Alvernia is part-time, he just happens to be very good! He also has the support of an AD who gets basketball!  They same situation is true at Gwynedd where they win in an almost unprecedented fashion on the women's side because their Coach/AD really, really gets "it".  He even works with the part-time Men's Coach so that they win also because together – let's all say it together now - they get "it".

By my simple method of looking at the Women's team to tell me if the school's combination of AD & Coaches get "it" or not, I will now give you my prediction of how your favorite Men's team will fare over the next several years.  Alvernia and Gwynedd will be good, Missercordia will be decent and Neuman and Immaculata will get better in a hurry.  Cabrini, Arcadia, Marywood, Wesley, and Eastern will continue to flounder and will not sustain any real success consistently in their programs.

All right, tell me I am an idiot.


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 03, 2007, 01:39:39 PM
Quote from: kaiser sose on January 03, 2007, 12:35:59 PM
Folks, if I have understood the last several pages of postings correctly, it appears that just about all of you are singing about the current poor state of PAC Basketball in comparison to the other Mid-Atlantic  Conferences.  This sad song's chorus contains the repeated "Lack of Institutional Commitment" and the verses touch upon the full-time vs part-time status of the coach, the facilities, and finally a rousing "Men's hoops are not a priority at these schools".

I think you are all missing the boat about what it takes to have, and sustain, a competitive basketball program at the D3 level.  And what is it, you ask? Okay, here goes – What you need is a combination of a smart AD and Coaches who get "it" in terms of knowing what it takes to build a basketball program.   That's it! Not that hard and not that complicated.  I'll even give you a clue to determining if these factors are in place at your favorite PAC school.  Turn your record over, look at the flip side, and examine the Women's Basketball program at your school

See in the history of the PAC I believe only three current programs have won the Men's Championship and they are, of course Cabrini, Alvernia, and Gwynedd. Hey,  guess  what? Surprise, surprise only three teams have won the Women's Championship and they are again Cabrini, Alvernia and Gwynedd!  You build the teams the same way and if you know how to do it for one then you get for the other. 

Let's take a look at Cabrini. Once they had the epitome of an AD/ Coach in Dzik who got "it" and he also had in place a great Women's coach (who was part-time) who got "it" and they won like crazy.  Dzik moves out of AD job and eventually leaves as coach, they put in a new AD – hire the wrong coaches for both programs - and now they are floundering.  And guess what, they have TEN TIMES the facilities they ever had before! They won before because they had smart, hardcore basketball people who knew what the hell they were doing! And if they were all still there in exactly the same roles they would be winning still.

Take a look at the Alvernia and Gwynedd women's program. They win regionally and in some years even compete on the national level.  Why? How? Because even though the Women's Coach at Alvernia is part-time, he just happens to be very good! He also has the support of an AD who gets basketball!  They same situation is true at Gwynedd where they win in an almost unprecedented fashion on the women's side because their Coach/AD really, really gets "it".  He even works with the part-time Men's Coach so that they win also because together – let's all say it together now - they get "it".

By my simple method of looking at the Women's team to tell me if the school's combination of AD & Coaches get "it" or not, I will now give you my prediction of how your favorite Men's team will fare over the next several years.  Alvernia and Gwynedd will be good, Missercordia will be decent and Neuman and Immaculata will get better in a hurry.  Cabrini, Arcadia, Marywood, Wesley, and Eastern will continue to flounder and will not sustain any real success consistently in their programs.

All right, tell me I am an idiot.





Hardly an idiot........ absolutely logical assessment.   I can see clearly now!

Perhaps the PAC will sustain but you are right about those other schools floundering.

Therefore in conclusion... the solution is a hardcore basketball staff that knows the game.  The rest doesn't matter and winning takes care of itself with hard work despite the institutional deficiencies.  Guess this is why Alvernia, Cabrini, & Gynn win championships.

Finding these people is the problem....why would they come to the PAC?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 03, 2007, 05:53:17 PM
"Did I ever tell you I was in a barbershop quartet in Skokie, IL?"

Seriously though. I appreciate your responses to my little jibe. WolfPAC and C, you must know that there is nothing malicious in my statement, but I feel that the apparent collapse of the PAC men's basketball in Radnor (EU has a St.Davids address, go figure) magnifies the issue in your mind. I think the PAC is down the past two years. I believe that Dzik leaving has something to do with it. I also believe that Villanova and before them St. Joe's have grabbed much of the spotlight in the past three years. There is a lot of basketball in Philly, and the PAC is becoming more and more of a hidden entity. Probably something for the league to look at.

Kaiser, I love your argument about the women's programs. I think it appears to be very strong. A couple things though. I believe Cabrini and Neumann both have created winning women's programs, but their men's programs appear to be racing in opposite directions. Also interesting that the Mighty MAC took on a program with perennially weak basketball programs in Arcadia.

I think the argument also breaks down with Eastern a bit, but I could not come close to explaining how. EU's women went oh-fer in the PAC last year, but were a bit of an anomaly amongst women's teams at the school. (and with the brand new cross country teams the reason that Eastern didn't win the President's cup on the women's side last year.) This fall the three main Eastern women's teams went 31-1-1 in PAC regular season play, and Lacrosse went 10-0 last spring.  Not sure how that happens, but it appears that it did.

It is fascinating to see the GMC, Alvernia, Cabrini triangle and how it works historically. My only thought about Eastern's men is that the school itself fits into a little bit more of a niche that might make it easier to keep recruiting momentum going. Not to go too deep into this, but suffice it to say that while Eastern bumps into PAC schools while recruiting a number of kids, they also have access to a different pool of kids that are looking at Eastern, Messiah, Gordon, Wheaton, and a few others. This is very helpful in the soccer recruiting, but as the basketball demographic is slightly different it is not quite as useful for men's basketball, but it still serves a purpose.

Time will tell whether the Eastern women will catch up to the rest of the school's women's  programs, but I would not come close to calling you an idiot. Team success is going to be based on staffing decisions, budgets (for competition and recruitment), facilities, and department culture.  With the exception of the particular intricacies (the presence of certain strong majors more typically populated by one gender or the other) of the school and the personality of the coach, there should be nearly no difference in the success of the programs. It is a very interesting thought.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 03, 2007, 08:05:51 PM
widener up 45-43 with 15 minutes to play.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on January 03, 2007, 09:18:30 PM
Just some food for thought!

I am going to use Cabrini as an example.  There were many reasons for the programs success throughout their run with Dzik, but the one I will focus on was the talent level.  Many of their players were guys who weren't necessarily D3 players.  What I mean by that is that they recruited guys that could have played at a higher level, not as stars but still been able to compete.  They were able to do this because of the successfulness of the program and the great coaching.

In the current landscape of the PAC, I just do not see many players that could play at a higher level.  It is easy to see why.  For example, If you are a high school prospect that maybe has Ivy League potential.  Lets just say that the D1 route doesnt work out.  Where is this player going to go? A local PAC school or school like Ursinus which goes to the tournament every year.  I think the answer is clear.

As already said before, I believe that the conference is heading in a downward spiral.  What needs to be done to solve the problem can be debated.  I'm not saying I have the answer, but something has to be done because it would be sad to see the PAC fall completely apart.


Does anyone feel that the decline of the PAC may be due to the decline in talented high school players in the area?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 03, 2007, 10:34:29 PM
EU beats Widener (a MAC team), 76-70.

Interesting . . .

More to come.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 03, 2007, 10:43:40 PM
Quote from: PacMan20 on January 03, 2007, 09:18:30 PM
Just some food for thought!

I am going to use Cabrini as an example.  There were many reasons for the programs success throughout their run with Dzik, but the one I will focus on was the talent level.  Many of their players were guys who weren't necessarily D3 players.  What I mean by that is that they recruited guys that could have played at a higher level, not as stars but still been able to compete.  They were able to do this because of the successfulness of the program and the great coaching.

In the current landscape of the PAC, I just do not see many players that could play at a higher level.  It is easy to see why.  For example, If you are a high school prospect that maybe has Ivy League potential.  Lets just say that the D1 route doesnt work out.  Where is this player going to go? A local PAC school or school like Ursinus which goes to the tournament every year.  I think the answer is clear.

As already said before, I believe that the conference is heading in a downward spiral.  What needs to be done to solve the problem can be debated.  I'm not saying I have the answer, but something has to be done because it would be sad to see the PAC fall completely apart.


Does anyone feel that the decline of the PAC may be due to the decline in talented high school players in the area?

Perhaps the problem is with team sports in general.  Seems like it is more and more difficult to coach some of these kids who want to be superstars.
Junkyard ball vs team ball.   


The mentality at the HS level may have everything to do with it as you imply indirectly.  Why would anyone at the high school level with talent go to a d3 school & pay?  Especially a PAC school.   Makes me thing the PAC itself is not a problem but rather the institutions who make up the PAC specifically are not great choices for a student athlete to play ball!  On the other had, non PAC schools may have more winning traditions and are an easier sell.

It is truly a sin.  Until the PAC gets a great coach or a national champion I am afraid it will barely stay afloat.   
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 03, 2007, 11:12:33 PM
Chairman, Chiz -

What did you think of the game?  Were you in attendance?  I was a little surprised that Coach Carideo did not have more confidence in his young big men.  WIth his center in foul trouble, he had very little inside presence and played into EU's hands.  I know he was upset about the foul disparity, but his team wwas not very phisical on offense and didnt tak it to EU.  EU on the other had was quite physical and thus got to the line a TON more. 

Bottom line, this Widener team has talent but apparently the coach doesn't think some of it is ready to play.  I am not in their practices, but I would have thought a non-conference game at home is a good place to get these guys some minutes.

Volpe is a tough kid and was the key player for EU tonight.  Coaching staff did a nice job as well.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 04, 2007, 12:16:08 AM
Coach C,

Great game . . . at least for PAC and EU fans.  Not just Volpe being tough, but DiMaria and Johnson!  I actually want to compliment the coaching staff.  They did some amazing stuff tonight, and I'm sure the PAC coaches wished they were there to see it.

I see your point about Carideo not feeling some players were ready.  Though I'm not sure the foul disparity was that "dispare".  12 fouls EU to 18 fouls on Widener; you are right, the FT's differential was big, and I would attribute that to what Nadelhoffer has been trying to get his guys to do.  They have finally started taking the ball to the rim instead of jacking it up from deep if they can't get an open shot.  This is something that Bobby Black and Brent Voorhees would never do.

I don't know if Widener was less physical on offense - I think that EU was just better on defense, especially in the second half, where the shot clock seemed to get dangerously close to zero before an open man was found in close view of the basket.

Don't you think EU is making a bigger case for themselves?  Widener is a good-not-great team this year and tied for first in conference (albeit early in the conf season).  For EU it was a big win, as Widener is respected somewhat like Cabrini used to be respected pre-Macciocca.

I was very surprised that Ty Coleman saw minutes so quickly after rejoining the team.  Maybe this will encourage him to start studying.  Also, where the heck was Flanagan in the box score?  I wonder if he continues to think that he needs to be completely unguarded before he can shoot a 3.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 04, 2007, 12:41:11 AM
I think that Eastern continues to develop as a program.  I am not sure they are where they can get to yet, and they arent at the level of the Cabrini teams that won the PAC or went to the Sweet 16, but they are improving.  They are good enough to win this league.

I wasn't surprised to see Coleman in quickly.  I think the philosophy of this coaching staff has been to forgive transgressions after appropriate penance.  He did his time and now he gets another chance.  Hopefully the impression is made.

As for Widener, this is a talented team that lacks experienced depth.  Coaches in thier first year with a team often don't get the full potential out of a squad because it takes so long to get to know a team and the NCAA give us so little pre-season time.  I think this is a teams that will finish 4th in a good, but not great MAC-C.

C

As for Widener
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 04, 2007, 12:47:49 AM
The big kid got lost in the match-up with Johnson. He scored the first four points of the game and had a big block on Malloy, but he did pick up some fouls trying to guard Johnson on the perimeter. As Eastern's primary big, Johnson is a tough match-up for a traditional post player. Volpe hit a couple big shots, but I thought the little guy off the bench was the story of the night. Williams steal and lay-up changed the game.

I think another interesting thing to note is the play of DiMaria. He had 31 against Neumann and 18 tonight, and I don't want to say you don't notice it, because that could sound demeaning, but he is putting together some hard-hat scoring nights. Chizzle, Flanagan was out of rotation against the Pride (huh?What's wrong with Pioneers?). If the past five games have been any indication, look for him to pop in 12 or 15 tomorrow night. Not based on anything logical, but the EU staff seems to go with a different rotation every night, and recently it has been working. Tonight it was Williams.

Big possession to end the half when Widener missed the dunk and Coleman clanged home a 15 footer to end the half. Ty did good work inside, but I thought he was a little anxious to shoot the ball; I guess after nine months off you are ready to shoot. Coleman was the defensive alternative inside. They had played the big Freshman earlier, but it looked like they were more concerned with defending to close the half.

It looked like Widener got very one dimensional on the perimeter and forgot that they were bigger and more athletic. EU shot over 50% for the game. I would agree that the coaching staff had an outstanding game for EU. They solved their perimeter defending issues at halftime, and EU seemed to have good possessions out of every timeout. (I also thought Nadelhoffer called some critical ones to prevent turnovers when his guys were stranded.)

It is just one win, but I think it is a good win for EU, and I think it speaks well for the league as well. Obviously January 3rd is not the toughest date to play on the road, but it is a road win against an upper division MAC team. That needs to count for something.

Peace

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 04, 2007, 12:57:40 AM
Apu:   "Maybe all this good karma is just a bunch of bologna."
Homer: " Ummmmmmmmm. Caramel Bologna."


C Hizzle Dizzle... I lost a Karma. Can somebody explain how you get the candy? Seriously. I haven't felt mean, bitter, or even snippy in the last few weeks, and yet I am down at base camp Karma wise. Is there a method or manual for the distribution of Karmic treasures? Even if somebody put a big red mark on the post that causes one to be unkarmic, then we could be more enlightened. I don't post to earn Karma, but at this current rate I am losing Karma when I post, and we can't have that.

Pat Coleman can you help here?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 04, 2007, 01:04:49 AM
FAQ linked at the bottom of my post.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 04, 2007, 01:57:17 AM
Ahhhhhh. Smitten for not following directions. Fifth grade all over again. Thank you Pat.  Anyway, at this rate I'll be in Chizwiz land before dawn. Much apologies for invoking the name of Pat Coleman for such a little thing. Don't forget to sleep. Do we know who is smiting or applauding us? Eastern hosts Del Val another MAC-PAC affair tomorrow night.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 04, 2007, 07:31:05 AM
Smitten?  You are in love?  I think you mean SMOTE!

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 04, 2007, 09:01:52 AM
Smited.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 04, 2007, 09:02:16 AM
Or maybe Smattered.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 04, 2007, 09:04:37 AM
Quote from: Coach C on January 04, 2007, 12:41:11 AM
I think that Eastern continues to develop as a program.  I am not sure they are where they can get to yet, and they arent at the level of the Cabrini teams that won the PAC or went to the Sweet 16, but they are improving.  They are good enough to win this league.

I wasn't surprised to see Coleman in quickly.  I think the philosophy of this coaching staff has been to forgive transgressions after appropriate penance.  He did his time and now he gets another chance.  Hopefully the impression is made.

As for Widener, this is a talented team that lacks experienced depth.  Coaches in thier first year with a team often don't get the full potential out of a squad because it takes so long to get to know a team and the NCAA give us so little pre-season time.  I think this is a teams that will finish 4th in a good, but not great MAC-C.

C

As for Widener

Good job there, C.  I'm hoping that you're wrong about where Widener finishes, as it will give Eastern a better QOW if it finishes #1 in MACC.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 04, 2007, 09:07:15 AM
I may have mis-communicated what I thought about Ty Coleman.  I'm glad he got in, but didn't think that Coach N would have played him more because he just got back, maybe he isn't physically (legs and lungs) ready.  Rust factor, you know?

Either way, he sure brings a spark when he wants.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on January 04, 2007, 11:54:33 AM
Good win for the Eagles against a MAC school!

Any other good games on tap for this weekend? Let's talk more about on the court then off the court
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 04, 2007, 02:19:10 PM
Funny... since the McTamney's showed up at EU the team has been on the up!   Knowing Bob personally, he likes hard-nose ram it down your throat basketball;   something that is mysteriously missing at Cabrini now.

Amazing what happens when coaches change institutions.  Coach N. is doing a great job in realizing those EU boys need to get more physical and the McTamney's support this with their philosophy as well.

EU was usually intimidated by the Cavs across the street, but the tide is turning.  Perhaps if EU gets more physical & confident, they could compete with Alvernia and steal a playoff win.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on January 04, 2007, 02:24:56 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on January 04, 2007, 02:19:10 PM
Funny... since the McTamney's showed up at EU the team has been on the up!   Knowing Bob personally, he likes hard-nose ram it down your throat basketball;   something that is mysteriously missing at Cabrini now.

Amazing what happens when coaches change institutions.  Coach N. is doing a great job in realizing those EU boys need to get more physical and the McTamney's support this with their philosophy as well.

EU was usually intimidated by the Cavs across the street, but the tide is turning.  Perhaps if EU gets more physical & confident, they could compete with Alvernia and steal a playoff win.

I saw Eastern earlier in the year, they are pretty good.
Is McTamney the older looking guy? 

Has Eastern ever made the PAC finals or Semi-finals?  This might be the year.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 04, 2007, 02:29:35 PM
Happy New Year Sports Fans!

Nice to see all the back-and-forth over the Christmas break, but I'm eager to have some real hoops to talk and get past the philosophical analysis of the looming demise of the PAC.

The Crusaders are back on the floor tonight hosting Penn State-Berks, and as always, home games will have a live webstats broadcast.  Cruise over to athletics.alvernia.edu (http://athletics.alvernia.edu) and check the Men's Basketball schedule page for links.

There's a nice slate of non-conference action on the men's side tonight with the full-time conference schedule just around the corner.

Delaware Valley @ Eastern
Rowan @ Neumann
Marywood @ Wilkes
PSU-Berks @ Alvernia

Looking forward to observations from our fans in the stands.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 04, 2007, 02:35:53 PM
hoopswiz,

The Alvernia College Men's Basketball record book, which is available on the web (athletics.alvernia.edu  (http://athletics.alvernia.edu) > click on Men's Basketball > Records), has the complete PAC results on page 24.  Eastern is 1-7 in seven appearances in the PAC Championships.  The lone win, over Cabrini in '04, put the Eagles in the semifinals for the first time.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 04, 2007, 03:38:11 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on January 04, 2007, 02:19:10 PM
Funny... since the McTamney's showed up at EU the team has been on the up!   Knowing Bob personally, he likes hard-nose ram it down your throat basketball;   something that is mysteriously missing at Cabrini now.

Amazing what happens when coaches change institutions.  Coach N. is doing a great job in realizing those EU boys need to get more physical and the McTamney's support this with their philosophy as well.

EU was usually intimidated by the Cavs across the street, but the tide is turning.  Perhaps if EU gets more physical & confident, they could compete with Alvernia and steal a playoff win.

Wolfie,

Yeah, the McTamney's have been a great addition to the coaching staff, it seems.  I know both, and they are good guys as well as good coaches.

And I do agree that intimidation factor was evident for years against the Cavs.  Somehow, I don't think it is there anymore.
Hoopzwiz, not sure McTamney would like being known as the older guy. ;)  But, he is unofficially the oldest guy on the staff.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Chris Panter, GMC SID on January 04, 2007, 07:28:56 PM
Hey gang,
I guess I got caught up in all the holiday doings but I wanted to mention Gwynedd-Mercy is webstreaming all of their men's and women's home games this season. So if you can't make it to Gwynedd Valley, you can sit and watch all of the games for no cost.

On game days, they'll be a link on the main page of the athletics site but if you want the actual URL, here it is:
http://www.teamline.cc/teampage?teamcode=5574 (http://www.teamline.cc/teampage?teamcode=5574)

CP
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 04, 2007, 09:05:02 PM
Smitten an adjective, but I am not sure if it works as a verb. Eastern downs DelVal 77-70. Malloy led the way with 17 and 9. Kevin Raab came off the bench for 16 points in 12 minutes. He had 10 points for the season going into tonight's game. Hero d'jour for the Eagles.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 04, 2007, 10:47:46 PM
@ Alvernia 94, PSU-Berks 60

Not exactly the toughest test on the schedule this season.  Crusaders took turns with the hot hand tonight.  Garrett Etzel scored 16 in a hurry in the first half and Terrence Shawell hit five 3s in the second half as the Crusaders rolled.

Arcadia comes to Reading next Thursday to get the conference schedule rolling again.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 04, 2007, 11:39:32 PM
Looks like Marywood got the woodshed thrown at them by Wilkes. Maybe Alvernia and Marywood should have switched non-conference games for the night. Anyone heard anything about Neumann Rowan?

Eastern shot 63% from the floor in the second half tonight. The game  would have been a blowout if Eastern had been able to convert on their free throws. The  Eagles, who normally shoot just below 70% from the line hit just 13 of 26 including three or four misses on the front end. Not that pretty. Probably has something to do with the two games in two days.

I think smitten is right. It's usually used in a very different context, but the derivation is the same. We might need to call in a linguist. I'm not going to ask Pat to come back or I might lose Karma that I don't have.

"Dr. Beeper is club champion three years running and I'm no slouch myself"
"Don't sell yourself short judge, you're a tremendous slouch."

Nice picture Mr. Panter.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 04, 2007, 11:49:10 PM
In the for what it's worth category, I checked the Neumann website for the results of their game against Rowan, and it turns out that they are playing Saturday at 1:00.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Chris Panter, GMC SID on January 05, 2007, 10:27:06 AM
"What'd you shoot today, Ty?" JS
"Oh Judge, I don't keep score" TW
"Well, then how do you measure yourself to other golfers then?" JS
"By height" TW

I can be here all day with quotes...

"Danny, I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber; didn't want to do it; felt, I owed it to them..."

or

"Awww, this is the worst looking hat I've ever saw, I bet you get a free cup of soup with it...oh, but it looks good on you!"
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 05, 2007, 12:21:48 PM
"I haven't even told my father I'm not gonna get that scholarship.  I'm gonna end up working in a lumberyard the rest of my life."
"What's wrong with lumber?  I own two lumberyards?"
"I notice you don't spend too much time there."
"I'm not quite sure where they are."

"Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-galunga. So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 05, 2007, 12:50:36 PM
What did I start?

Heard through the grapevine that Wesley is running a new guard. other than that it seems the rosters are pretty stable going into second semester.

Is Wilkes that good, Marywood that bad, or a combination of the two?


"Well, the world needs ditch diggers too."
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 05, 2007, 03:17:59 PM
Quote from: chairman on January 05, 2007, 12:50:36 PM
What did I start?

Heard through the grapevine that Wesley is running a new guard. other than that it seems the rosters are pretty stable going into second semester.

Is Wilkes that good, Marywood that bad, or a combination of the two?


"Well, the world needs ditch diggers too."


Yes.

"It's easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat.  But the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat."
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 05, 2007, 03:34:36 PM
On to basketball again after the brief respite of humor from some of its greatest . . .

Actually, Marywood is not bad at all.  They beat Gwynedd and are 4-4.  I wouldn't say they are great.  What I am saying is that I think the 100-63 loss to Wilkes was a bit of a fluke.  Wilkes is good, but not great, imho.

"Thank you very little."
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Chris Panter, GMC SID on January 05, 2007, 04:24:21 PM
"My niece has a certain zestful living...last thing we need around here is alot of loose talk about her"
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on January 05, 2007, 10:05:28 PM
What's this the "CaddyPAC" room?

"Hello Mr. Gopher, it's just your friend Mr. Squirrel, not a plastic explosive or nothin."

"I don't think the real hard stuff is going to come down for a couple of hours."

"Ty, you got a pool or a pond out back."
"Both, a pool and a pond.. the pond will be good for you."

"Doooooooootie!"

"Twenty bucks says the Smurl kid picks his nose and eats it."

"Noonan!"

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on January 06, 2007, 12:17:23 AM
With all do respect to Coach McTammey (who is a good coach and deserves alot of credit), BUT lets give props where the most props are do.... and that is to Coach Nadelhoffer for the job he is doing with this program. Maybe, the program with the biggest upside. And the guys across the street have the most downside which makes it that much sweeter.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 06, 2007, 10:10:19 AM
Eagle, why do you think EU has the biggest upside?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 06, 2007, 10:53:58 AM
Here's a random question that will hopefully bring some replies - I was wondering today who in the conference has the toughest non-conference schedule.  Obviously, it has much to do with the quality of non-conference teams.  Then, the location of the games and how spread out the tougher competitor's games are.  What I mean is that it is always difficult to have to play two tough opponents within 2-3 days of each other.

I originally thought Alvernia would be the toughest.  And you all know I'm an Eastern fan, so I'm not going to be 100% unbiased.  After perusing all the schedules, something surprised me.

I actually think Cabrini has the second-toughest non-conference schedule.  Here are their opponents (in no particular order):  Scranton, Rowan, Wooster, Emory & Henry, PS-Berks, DeSales, and Widener.

Gwynedd, has more than one extremely good opponent, which places them in front of the PAC.  GMC plays: Emmanuel, New Jersey City, Rowan, Elmhurst, North Central, Richard Stockton, and Del Val.  Rowan, Elm, & NCC are really, really tough.  However, I don't think their schedule is as tough as

Then, I would say that Immaculata is third, with games against Hopkins, McMurry, Marymount, Widener, DeSales, and St. Mary's.  These teams are good, but don't match up that well against Cabrini's opponents.

Then, I would say that it starts to bunch up with Neumann, EU, Alvernia, Marywood, Wesley, Arcadia (maybe the toughest non-conf schedule of this last group), and Misericordia.

Any thoughts on if this means anything or if this is correct?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on January 06, 2007, 07:47:37 PM
I think Eastern has the biggest upside as a program in general. Since the Coach N era, they consistently improve every year. I think they are still a year or two away from a championship, but I like their improvements. GMC and Alvernia have been the dominant forces as of late; so their wasn't much room for improvement. With Eastern being not a good program before; they ony had one way to go; which was up. Give them credit for building their program to be a legitamate contender. People would laugh when you mentioned Eastern as a contended 4 years ago.

I think Cabrini has the thoughest non-conference schedule. I give their coach credit for scheduling games with the top teams in the country; but not for anything else. The only problem is they lost by about 50 points. Maybe you should beat teams your own caliber before stepping into Wooster's gym. Wasn't that guy suppose to get fired? Chiz, any info coming from across the street?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 07, 2007, 09:12:25 PM
Quote from: East Coast Eagle on January 06, 2007, 07:47:37 PM
I think Eastern has the biggest upside as a program in general. Since the Coach N era, they consistently improve every year. I think they are still a year or two away from a championship, but I like their improvements. GMC and Alvernia have been the dominant forces as of late; so their wasn't much room for improvement. With Eastern being not a good program before; they ony had one way to go; which was up. Give them credit for building their program to be a legitamate contender. People would laugh when you mentioned Eastern as a contended 4 years ago.

I think Cabrini has the thoughest non-conference schedule. I give their coach credit for scheduling games with the top teams in the country; but not for anything else. The only problem is they lost by about 50 points. Maybe you should beat teams your own caliber before stepping into Wooster's gym. Wasn't that guy suppose to get fired? Chiz, any info coming from across the street?
East Coast, I think you are very right on EU's upside and their annual improvement.  But, I hope you are wrong on them being a year or two away from a PAC championship.  I think Alvernia should win the PAC this year, but EU has a much better chance than before, and as good a chance as any teams not mentioned here.

I don't think people are laughing anymore when EU is mentioned as a contender.  But give EU more credit than you think.  They might have the best defense in the conference when they are trying to slow down the game.  EU doesn't need to slow it down against most opponents, though, as our offensive threats like to run.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: kaiser sose on January 08, 2007, 12:48:01 PM
Headed to Cabrini tonight to see if the Coach used the three weeks off to right the ship.  Not sure if it would be over stateing it to call it a "must" win for the program.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 08, 2007, 04:50:48 PM
Quote from: kaiser sose on January 08, 2007, 12:48:01 PM
Headed to Cabrini tonight to see if the Coach used the three weeks off to right the ship.  Not sure if it would be over stateing it to call it a "must" win for the program.
Is it a must win?  I don't think so, but those "must wins" are coming soon.  I think, imho, that Macciocca is going to need to get at least 9 wins in order to have the minutest chance of keeping his job.  (Assuming that his bosses care about the W/L column.)

Unfortunately for him, I see Cabrini losing 8 of the next 9 (with a win to Arcadia being the best chance of a win in that span).  If that happens, the downfall of Cabrini will be evident to all.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 08, 2007, 05:04:06 PM
To quote from one of my favorite movies, reminding me of Cabrini - "Look, defenseless babies!"
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 08, 2007, 05:32:35 PM

It should be noted that Arcadia is probably going to be much tougher to beat with Eric Elliot back playing. The extra scorer turns a talented team that seemed to be just one beat off first semester into a team that more closely resembles last year's playoff team. Can't say for sure if the Scarlet Knights have what it takes to make a run, but their win at Misericordia (Elliot with 17 points in 30 minutes off the bench) is worth something.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 08, 2007, 08:34:29 PM
Chiz,

Well done continuing to scroll the Chevy Chase bio...I assume you refer to the Cavaliers not as the "Dogs that tried to bite me," but instead to the poor defenseless babies who, in truth, never do appear.

Kaiser (great reference to another favorite),

How about a recap from the Dixon Center at your earliest convenience?  Until we hit it big with that ESPNU contract we'll be relegated to the recaps of eyewitnesses.

"Can I borrow your towel, my car just hit a water buffalo?"
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 08, 2007, 09:48:49 PM
For those who care, it's been an interesting game here in Cavs-land, with Cabrini trailing, 47-36.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 08, 2007, 09:49:15 PM
BTW, 7 minutes left.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 08, 2007, 10:49:07 PM
Cabrini loses at home by 6 points.  Wow, this slope is getting slippery.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 08, 2007, 11:22:56 PM
Guess that settles it !

Cabrini's winning basketball program is history.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 09, 2007, 12:26:30 AM
Any more details on the game? Misericordia appears to have recovered well from their Arcadia loss. Two massive losses in a row for Marywood.

Wesley at EU tomorrow. Did anyone else notice the ridiculous league schedule given to Eastern. They play Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Monday. NCAA rules require a day off, so the league hamstrings them with 4 games in seven days. Eastern will have to prepare for two teams in one of their practices.

Any other PAC teams get this?

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 09, 2007, 09:01:25 AM
Quote from: chairman on January 09, 2007, 12:26:30 AM
Any more details on the game? Misericordia appears to have recovered well from their Arcadia loss. Two massive losses in a row for Marywood.

Wesley at EU tomorrow. Did anyone else notice the ridiculous league schedule given to Eastern. They play Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Monday. NCAA rules require a day off, so the league hamstrings them with 4 games in seven days. Eastern will have to prepare for two teams in one of their practices.

Any other PAC teams get this?



The schedule builds character and makes EU more focused.  I am sure they will do well with the way they prepare for games.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 09, 2007, 11:31:53 AM
Quote from: East Coast Eagle on January 06, 2007, 07:47:37 PM
I think Eastern has the biggest upside as a program in general. Since the Coach N era, they consistently improve every year. I think they are still a year or two away from a championship, but I like their improvements. GMC and Alvernia have been the dominant forces as of late; so their wasn't much room for improvement. With Eastern being not a good program before; they ony had one way to go; which was up. Give them credit for building their program to be a legitamate contender. People would laugh when you mentioned Eastern as a contended 4 years ago.

I think Cabrini has the thoughest non-conference schedule. I give their coach credit for scheduling games with the top teams in the country; but not for anything else. The only problem is they lost by about 50 points. Maybe you should beat teams your own caliber before stepping into Wooster's gym. Wasn't that guy suppose to get fired? Chiz, any info coming from across the street?
East Coast, no news from across the street.

This is speculation on my part, but I think the school will just wait for the season to end.  I have heard some interesting things, but discretion (this time) keeps me from saying anything.  Either way, I think Cabrini's season may end up looking a lot like the EU women's season from last year.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on January 09, 2007, 03:01:58 PM
Thanks Chiz, feel free to email me.... where descretion does not exist!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 09, 2007, 03:45:40 PM
I think I will be stopping by St. David's tonight.  Hope to see all of the PAC Chat guys in the house.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 10, 2007, 07:43:44 AM
Any commentary from the PAC Chat reunion at St. Davids last night.  Wesley looksto be putting things together recently.  Big runs in last night's game that appear to be sparked by efficient shooting by the Eagles, and forced turnovers and offensive rebounding by the Wolverines.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 10, 2007, 08:17:00 AM
Jon, you said it.  EU had great (did I say great?) shooting from 3 and overall.  However, EU was not able to rebound on defense, thus Wesley got a lot of free trips down the court without having to dribble, if you know what I mean.  And those turnovers hurt . . . a lot.

That Johnson kid is amazing.  Did I say he is amazing?  Wow.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 10, 2007, 10:45:27 AM
Wesley had 24 offensive boards. The officials allowed them to really go after it on the glass, and they were able to earn two or three shots on several possessions that started with a missed free throw. I think that Wesley is talented enough to play with anyone I've seen, but I am not sure how successful they would have been with a game called a little tighter. Johnson is a great player- he scored ten points in the decisive two minutes of the game last night- but I thought he could have fouled out twice just going over guys for offensive boards. If he gets in foul trouble... they are done. Eastern really executed well on the offensive end of the floor for the first 33 minutes, but one bad spell of turnovers really cost them. DiMaria was unstoppable inside in the second half.

Now it is Cabrini.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 10, 2007, 11:34:36 AM
chairman -

I think that blaming the officials for Wesley being able to go at the boards is a bit misleading.  the oficials were letting BOTH teams go after missed shots.  Wesley did it BETTER than Eastern last night.

In general, Eastern played a good game, but in each half had 3-4 minute time frames where they were out-hustled and the floor matchups were not good for them.

Wesley is a young team that looks to be rounding into form.  they work hard on the glass and they also have good sets to get Johnson the ball.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2007, 11:46:03 AM
Quote from: chairman on January 10, 2007, 10:45:27 AM
Wesley had 24 offensive boards. The officials allowed them to really go after it on the glass, and they were able to earn two or three shots on several possessions that started with a missed free throw. I think that Wesley is talented enough to play with anyone I've seen, but I am not sure how successful they would have been with a game called a little tighter. Johnson is a great player- he scored ten points in the decisive two minutes of the game last night- but I thought he could have fouled out twice just going over guys for offensive boards. If he gets in foul trouble... they are done. Eastern really executed well on the offensive end of the floor for the first 33 minutes, but one bad spell of turnovers really cost them. DiMaria was unstoppable inside in the second half.

Now it is Cabrini.

Did you get the private message I sent earlier? Not sure you did. Link at the top of the page.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 10, 2007, 01:13:07 PM
Quote from: Coach C on January 10, 2007, 11:34:36 AM
chairman -

I think that blaming the officials for Wesley being able to go at the boards is a bit misleading.  the oficials were letting BOTH teams go after missed shots.  Wesley did it BETTER than Eastern last night.

In general, Eastern played a good game, but in each half had 3-4 minute time frames where they were out-hustled and the floor matchups were not good for them.

Wesley is a young team that looks to be rounding into form.  they work hard on the glass and they also have good sets to get Johnson the ball.

C
Coach C, I think that blaming the officials for a loss would be a bad idea 99.9% of the time.  I don't think that chairman was doing that.  However, his statement left some subtlety to what he was really saying, to which I agree.  The officials were allowing the "aggressive" rebounding style of Wesley to go a little unchecked.  Most officials wouldn't allow it, but these did.  To say that they were letting both team do it is a bit incorrect.

I guess you could also say that some officials allow both teams to travel, or do moving picks, etc.  Just because one team isn't willing or won't do it doesn't mean it is properly officiated.  And I'm not saying that this wasn't properly officiated.  Just that very few officials would allow such type of aggressive rebounding (i.e. over the back).  Wesley will have problems with fouls in the future if they continue to do so.

By the way, those officials are very good anyway.  I'm just not used to seeing them allow that.

Either way, EU lost the game on their own.  Too many turnovers that were turned into points on the other end by Wesley's skill in such.  Wesley is well coached and has some good players with possibly the best player in the PAC.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 10, 2007, 01:45:31 PM
Using any kind of reference to officiating when discussing outcomes is dangerous, especially when bias is known.  Intention can't hold a candle to Perception. 

My vocational Code of Conduct requires me to avoid writing or speaking poorly of those in the striped shirts, so I avoid it at all costs...on the college level that is...I could go on forever about such things as, say off-setting personal fouls in professional football.

Teams can always adjust to the way games are being called.  If a coach feels he is getting the short end of the stick, he can voice his opinion to the nearest zebra.  MOST officials will at least listen to coaches, and pay closer attention to the violations of interest.

Did Eastern have a good look at the game-tying shot?  The front page of its website mentions a shot that rimmed out.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 10, 2007, 02:48:52 PM
Jon,

I see your point.  Teams can adjust.  Some times it is difficult and some times it isn't.  I think EU is going to have to learn to adjust to the officiating styles and preferences mid-game a little better in order to get more W's.

Re: the game-tying shot.  I would say it was a good look.  It wasn't a great look, but then again, how many are.  If I had my druthers, EU would have set up some type of play where Matt Flanagan or Lenny DiMaria gets the ball with no one near them for 20 feet.  They get a set shot and a completely quiet gym.  You know where I'm going with this.

Mike Johnson shot it.  He's a good shooter, can shoot the three, but isn't our top choice.  This should not reflect poorly on his ability to make that shot.  He can and will.  I hope he gets another chance to do the same.  Maybe we should blame Wesley for guarding our primary targets on that shot.

Sadly, the ball bounced around, was tipped around, and scooted along the floor into the hands of a Wesley player, who summarily took it down the floor (fast-break style) and scored.  That sealed it.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 10, 2007, 03:04:22 PM
I always find myself jealous of those who get to experience the opportunity of a game-winning/tying shot in meaningful competition whether it is converted or not.  I once completed a four-point play to send an intramural game into overtime, but the lack of fans made it a much smaller moment.

The biggest adjustment to officiating style I've ever seen in our region was at Ramapo, where the guards were accustomed to playing a very-aggressive handchecking style around the perimeter.  I just remember thinking how many times I thought they would have fouled out had it been a home game, but it was the same way on both ends, so we had to adjust.

I'm looking forward to seeing the Eagles in person.  Hopefully I can squirm away from other duties and I'll be able to actually watch the game.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on January 10, 2007, 06:24:15 PM
Yes Flanagan or DiMaria would be your top choices, but in that specific situation; Johnson had a hell of a shot. Rebounding wins game and Wesley showed that. Eastern needs to his the glass better to win the league this year. That could be their biggest weakness (they don't have many compared to the other teams in the league).
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 10, 2007, 10:17:29 PM
If anyone has a light Thursday night,  head out to Eastern to see the Eagles battle Cavaliers.

EU is coming off a tough loss so will be out for blood.... or..... will they have a let down because of Cabrini's record.  Kind of think they will out shoot the Cavs as well as get physical on the boards this time.

Will Coach N. will outcoach Machucka or will Cabrini find a way to win their first PAC game in this heated rivalry on KoP road?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 10, 2007, 11:22:51 PM
In a quick point of clarification, I was responding to Jon's question about Wesley being back. I think that the crew on last night's game was consistent and allowed the teams to really go after the boards. I imagine that Wesley will, or has, run into crews that will call things a lot tighter, and that will create a problem for them. As that is a real strength of their game, they generated a large percentage of their in close shots by going after misses, they could have a problem if a crew decides to really crack down on contact on the boards.

That being said, Rashawn Johnson was outstanding in the last ten minutes of the game. I can't imagine too many teams he wouldn't help. He struggled from the field early but he kept working and got his points off the glass and in transition. As for tomorrow night's game, it is a shame that one of the two EU-Cabrini games is during the break. There will still be a decent crowd, but nothing close to what would happen on a night when school is in session.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on January 11, 2007, 12:56:30 AM
This is at least the 3rd straight year that one of the EU-Cabrini games has been over school break.  With it being such a heated rivalry one would think that they would try to schedule both games while school was in sessions.  I'm sure a student at the Cabrinis or Easterns would much rather see a matchup of Eagle Road twice rather than see the MArywoods or Misercordias's come to town.  No disrespect to those programs, but the proximity of the two schools makes the match up that much more intriguing even when the Cabrinis cant even get a win against the sisters of the blind.  I just got back from Vegas and the early line on the EU-Cabrini game was cabrini getting 21.5 but it is rising.  Gotta love Eastern coming off a loss.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on January 11, 2007, 08:08:27 AM
Any thoughts on tonight?

Arcadia @ Alvernia
Cabrini @ Eastern
Immac @ GMC
Miseri @ Neumann
Wesley @ Marywood

Where is everyone from Arcadia, Immaculata, Miseri, Marywood and Wesley? Does no one from these schools know about d3hoops.com?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 11, 2007, 12:31:31 PM
Alvernia in a walk
Eastern by 12
GMC by 9
Neumann in OT
Wesley wins, but I wouldn't bet the game!

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 11, 2007, 05:02:03 PM
We're back to live action...

Women's Basketball Gamecast - 6:00 p.m.
Arcadia @ Alvernia - http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/wbball/ (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/wbball/)

Men's Basketball Gamecast - 8:00 p.m.
Arcadia @ Alvernia - http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/mbball/ (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/mbball/)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Chris Panter, GMC SID on January 11, 2007, 06:48:33 PM
For those of you who can't make it to the game, you can catch tonight's Immaculata and Gwynedd-Mercy matchup live via webstreaming

You can go to Gwynedd's Main Athletic page (www.gmc.edu/athletics) and click LIVE WEBSTREAM
or
you can click here: http://www.teamline.cc/sportpage?teamcode=5574&eventcode=6
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 11, 2007, 10:54:40 PM
Without being disrespectful I must say after careful observation....


Cabrini needs a new coach.   I kinda feel bad for the guy but he has no business coaching at Cabrini wasting talent & careers.  Whether it is his fault or not doesn't matter.   Cabrini needs a coach.

Jon,  guess Alvernia will have an automatic win this year with the Cavs! !

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 11, 2007, 10:56:41 PM
Four for five, C. Your caveat for Wesley was even fantastic. Marywood on the road falling by 3 to Wesley in the longest road trip in the PAC. Did anyone see the Neumann game.

Eastern scuffled to 37% shooting and while they were able to force 26 turnovers, needed all their free throws to hold off the Cavs. Reid was dominant in the first half, but Volpe was the difference maker with a couple big threes to start the second half and free throws late.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 11, 2007, 11:22:08 PM
Wolfie,

If you're conceding the game, we'll take it...there are no guarantees in this league.

@ Alvernia 66, Arcadia 56...ice cold shooting on both ends in the first half.  Alvernia went on a mini run early in the second and held of a few late efforts.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on January 12, 2007, 12:32:36 AM
Sloppy game at Eastern for both teams. I give Coach N and the players credit for playing a bad game and still winning by 10 points over our biggest rival. Mike Johnson had a great game on the boards... Volpe, Lenny and B Williams all played good games in the backcourt. The Cavs played mostly zone defense against a good shooting Eagle team..... would any other coaches on this board do that?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 12, 2007, 10:52:35 AM
Would anyone else agree that the sloppy game between EU & Cabrini was a result of rivalry and not let downs.

Perhaps, Coach N. simply outcoached the other guys even though his team could play much better and got a nice solid win despite the circumstances.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 12, 2007, 11:03:16 AM
Actually after seeing Eastern the other night, I was pretty convinved that a team that is slower of foot would need to play a zone or a hybrid zone against them to be effective.  They are pretty quick and shoot well off screens, thus teams that are going to play them man need to be quick as well.  Cabrini isn't.

I didn't like the Miseri/Neumann game, thus the call for an OT victory.  I was just a bit off.

Personally, I took in the JHU/Ursinus game last night.  BOth teams look better than most of the PAC, with JHU being a real top 20 team in my mind.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: D3fan14 on January 12, 2007, 12:27:45 PM
I wasn't at the Cabrini / Eastern game, but it looks like the Cav's TO's is what killed them.

I also did a little bit of research on the Eagles shooting %age against PAC teams and Cabrini actually held Eastern to their combined lowest for the season.

EU v GMC EU shoots
FG 43% and 3pt 20%

EU v Arc  EU shoots
FG 52% and 3pt 56%

EU v Nuem EU shoots
FG 57% and 3pt 40%

EU vs Wes EU shoots
FG 56% and 47%

EU v Cavs EU shoots
FG 37% and 3pt 25%

Cavs also out rebounded Eagles, but had twice the turnovers (26)
So I am thinking that the Cav's defense was not the issue.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 12, 2007, 01:17:03 PM
D3fan14,

I would tend to agree with you.  Looks like the Eagles had some shooting difficulty vs. the zone.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on January 12, 2007, 10:26:54 PM
Eastern did not shoot the ball well last night at all. Personally I think that was due to a poor shooting night and not a swarming Cabrini defense.

Coach C, most perimeter players are much more effective when they can catch and shoot off a drive and kick. It is much harder to shoot coming off screens and squaring to the basket. I would take my chances with a player coming off a screen and hitting a three rather than let them penetrate and kick to open shooters. If your slow of feet then you just need to contain the dribble and contest shots.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 13, 2007, 10:00:32 AM
ECE -

Thanks for the lesson on defense and shooting.

As I noted, I thought they did well in the Wesley game with shots off screens.  A well-played zone won't give those kick out opportunities because there should be some coverage rotation on the perimeter.

Can't speak to the Cabrini game, but 60 pts in a lower tempo game isn't horrible.  Plus, sometimes you play down to your competition.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 13, 2007, 09:21:54 PM
Any word from Glenside yet...the Arcadia site just indicates a Scarlet Knights' win and Boettcher's great day on the glass.  Judging by the shooting numbers it doesn't look like a man or zone defense would have made a difference.  A Neumann / Gwynedd-Mercy recap would be nice too.  The Griffins are on a bit of a roll right now.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 13, 2007, 10:36:31 PM
I wasn't there, but the text messages from the game had Arcadia coming back from a nine point first half deficit to go up by as much as fifteen in the second half before DiMaria and Volpe led a a comeback that wound up just short.  Arcadia are big inside, if Boetcher is knocking down shots, which it looks like was, that is going to be a tough match up for the Eagles.

Now the Eagles have to play Marywood on the road without a practice. Brutal scheduling.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on January 14, 2007, 11:07:26 AM
David Smith had a great game for Gwynedd. He can be a force in the middle for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on January 14, 2007, 08:38:36 PM
Coach C,

Alvernia at 9-2 isn't to the caliber of a top 20 team? I know I am biased as an Alvernia grad, but they are playing good basketball, they beat B-W, and defeated Albright and F and M. They have to be considered to be a top team at least in the Mid-Atlantic Region.


I'll probably head out to Cabrini vs. Alvernia tomorrow night, first time I will have seen Cabrini live since Dzik was fired.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 15, 2007, 10:23:44 AM
Nothing to see at Alvernia tonight unless they play down to the low competition.

Coach K. & Jon........ you don't realize how good you have it when your team is on top.    Appreciate it while it lasts.

Value your team and get your fans in gear as well.    Jon, under normal circumstances I would be the first one there tonight to watch the game. I am not feeling well and have some other business to take care of tonight unfortunately.

Alvernia should win by an easy margin..... I will give you both the Cavs with 16 points.  If you shoot well and rebound it could be even more.  Don't get caught up in the hype boys, just go out and beat up the competition.

Watch out for Eastern.....they are capable of pulling upsets if they play their best on any given night.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 15, 2007, 01:05:43 PM
Wolfie,

If you can drive within range tonight you can catch the game on the radio at 830 AM WEEU.  My guess is you'll need to get within 45 minutes of the Reading area to get a good signal.

As always, the gamecast is also an option.

Women's Basketball - York (Pa.) @ Alvernia 6:00 p.m.
http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/wbball/ (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/wbball/)

Men's Basketball - Cabrini @ Alvernia 8:00 p.m.
http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/mbball/ (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/mbball/)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on January 15, 2007, 02:04:08 PM
Jon,
Alvernia seems to be hitting their stride.
How good is the transfer?
Are you thinking GMC vs. Alvernia in the final?  Seems like old times with those traditional powers battling for the NCAA bid.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Chris Panter, GMC SID on January 15, 2007, 02:14:45 PM
Since we're in full plug mode, lol...
You can catch Wesley vs. Gwynedd-Mercy in hoops action tonight (men's and women's) online via webstream.
Click here to watch both games tonight from the Griffin Complex
http://www.teamline.cc/teampage?teamcode=5574 (http://www.teamline.cc/teampage?teamcode=5574)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 15, 2007, 02:27:56 PM
Coach K -

Surely you aren't pointing to the win over 6-9 F&M as a big win this year?  Since B-W is the only win over a +.500 team, and they are a not a top 25 team, I would have to question Alvernia being a top 25 contender.  Yes they are 9-2 and yes they are one of the best teams in the region, but it's the weakest region in the nation and Alvernia as a loss to a .500 team as well as no good road wins (to +.500 teams).  The Cal Lutheran loss is also important to note, as it was a neutral site game and Cal Lutheran has lost to Messiah AT Cal Lutheran.

Tonight won't show you much as the Cavs are coming to a knife fight essentially unarmed and naked.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 15, 2007, 02:46:33 PM
hoopswiz,

If your transfer in question is Terrence Shawell, the answer is he's pretty good.  He's athletic enough to have been a backup QB at Rutgers (not Camden or Newark, think more Brunswick/Piscataway).  He's a confident shooter who has put together some impressive streaks already this season.  His leaping ability also makes him an asset on the glass.

C,

It appears as though the Crusaders' chance to gain national respect has already come and gone...from what I gather, the remainder of the conference schedule is all risk, no reward.  An undefeated conference record would at best lead to "others receiving votes" unless there were major collapses by lower top 25 teams.  Both Maui losses were bad games...late comebacks from big deficits that fell just short.  The uniforms made it off the plane, but I'm not sure the games were ever packed.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 15, 2007, 05:28:18 PM
Jon -

You are correct.  There is little reward and lots of rist in the remaining Alvernia schedule.  That's one of the considerations in creating a schedule.  The Hawaii trip is a minus in terms of the W-L formula but a very important life experience fo the team that no one would take away.  Let's hope that the expereicne does not cost them a post-season trip.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 15, 2007, 05:42:44 PM
Every coach in the free world tells the boys the Road to the NCAA is paved with Automatic Qualifiers come late February, regardless of your record to date.  We've been fortunate to receive an at-large in years past, but wouldn't want to make a habit of relying on one.

I think the Hawaii (and other vacation spots) trip could be vital to a push for the top 25.  It's the only way teams can compare themselves to the rest of the nation.  I have a totally different respect for Whitworth College having seen the team in person, and I have no idea what any midwest team looks like.  I think those games are more important than non-conference in-region games in some respects.  Obviously the NCAA doesn't necessarily see it that way come selection Sunday, but to be the best you've got to beat the best, and for Mid-Atlantic teams, that means getting out of region.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 15, 2007, 08:51:03 PM
Quote from: Jon on January 15, 2007, 05:42:44 PM
Every coach in the free world tells the boys the Road to the NCAA is paved with Automatic Qualifiers come late February, regardless of your record to date.  We've been fortunate to receive an at-large in years past, but wouldn't want to make a habit of relying on one.

I think the Hawaii (and other vacation spots) trip could be vital to a push for the top 25.  It's the only way teams can compare themselves to the rest of the nation.  I have a totally different respect for Whitworth College having seen the team in person, and I have no idea what any midwest team looks like.  I think those games are more important than non-conference in-region games in some respects.  Obviously the NCAA doesn't necessarily see it that way come selection Sunday, but to be the best you've got to beat the best, and for Mid-Atlantic teams, that means getting out of region.


Guess that is why Cabrini's coach scheduled them at #1 Wooster to start the season.  Only problem is they cannot win a PAC game.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 15, 2007, 09:43:10 PM
Jon,


How bad did you beat up on Cabrini tonight?   I felt bad for the Cavs so I only gave you 16 pts,  guess I should have given you 28 or 30 realistically, I am curious how the game went.

Bet you cannot believe this is Cabrini's basketball program.  What a joke! !

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on January 15, 2007, 09:59:01 PM
69-34 Alvernia over Cabrini? There is no possible way that one could have been pretty. I am glad I had to stay home and attend to some family stuff instead of wasting the gas to drive out to Reading to see that clunker.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 15, 2007, 11:22:39 PM
WolfPAC,

The online story isn't going to tell you too much about the game...that was some ugly basketball on both ends.  Alvernia shot a season-low .373 from the floor and still won by 35...not good.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 15, 2007, 11:43:37 PM
EU gets a "v" (for half a win) by squeaking out a 74-72 game at Scarywood.  Nice new gym.  You folks really need to see it.

The best part about the game was actually having a timer who knew how to operate the clock.  That hasn't been the case in past years . . .

Lenny and Volpe with good games.  Eastern started Brent Williams at PG tonight, who played in 30+ minutes, which is a first, I think.  EU might be getting deeper in their backcourt, and hopefully will get more consistent in future games.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 15, 2007, 11:47:34 PM
Somehow I knew after a close game between Eastern and Marywood it was only a matter of time before our first reference to a clock operator.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 15, 2007, 11:52:43 PM
Rough stretch this last week for EU.  I have questions about Frankenstein's ability to schedule.  Why would it ever be a good idea to schedule Cabrini/EU during either team's break?

Take a look at the schedule if you want, or just take my word for it.

However, I can't blame the commissioner for EU's bad play this week.  Losses to Wesley and Arcadia were not great.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 15, 2007, 11:53:48 PM
Quote from: Jon on January 15, 2007, 11:47:34 PM
Somehow I knew after a close game between Eastern and Marywood it was only a matter of time before our first reference to a clock operator.
I guess the only good thing I get out of that operator error is a good laugh and a lesson in humility now.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 16, 2007, 12:00:06 AM
Sounds like the real excitement tonight was at the Griffin Complex.  Not sure how you foul someone taking a layup with two seconds left and a two point lead and allow him to convert.  At least keep the ball from getting to the rim.

Up eight with just over two to play, I gotta feel pretty good about my chances, but as we ALL know, anything can, and does, happen.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 16, 2007, 12:03:43 AM
Rough game against Arcadia this week, too.

EU cuts Arcadia's lead to 4 with about 45 seconds left.  Williams tries to block Martin at on a fast break and gets called with an intentional.  Martin misses both; EU gets the ball back on a great defensive stop, and scores to get within 2 points.  Williams then steps in front of an Arcadia player who just received the inbounds pass, and gets clocked by an elbow.  The official called a block.  Tough loss.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 16, 2007, 12:04:49 AM
Quote from: Jon on January 16, 2007, 12:00:06 AM
Sounds like the real excitement tonight was at the Griffin Complex.  Not sure how you foul someone taking a layup with two seconds left and a two point lead and allow him to convert.  At least keep the ball from getting to the rim.

Up eight with just over two to play, I gotta feel pretty good about my chances, but as we ALL know, anything can, and does, happen.
Jon, is this game story posted?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 16, 2007, 12:05:38 AM
Chiz, check gmc.edu for the game story.  You'll probably get a box with play-by-play there as well.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 16, 2007, 12:15:18 AM
Thanks, Jon.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 16, 2007, 12:41:03 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on January 16, 2007, 12:04:49 AM
Quote from: Jon on January 16, 2007, 12:00:06 AM
Sounds like the real excitement tonight was at the Griffin Complex.  Not sure how you foul someone taking a layup with two seconds left and a two point lead and allow him to convert.  At least keep the ball from getting to the rim.

Up eight with just over two to play, I gotta feel pretty good about my chances, but as we ALL know, anything can, and does, happen.
Jon, is this game story posted?

http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?year=2007&team=mens&school=Gwynedd-Mercy

http://www.d3hoops.com/schedule.php?date=2007-01-15&team=mens
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on January 16, 2007, 06:55:05 PM
Regarding the recent Alvernia - Cabrini game: Only 4 assists for Cabrini compared against 16 turnovers.  Not a very good ratio.  I hope for the players sake they can get it together and pull out a win Saturday afternoon with John Dzik and the alumni being in the stands. 


Regarding Marywood, they seem to be the jekyll and hyde of the PAC.  You never know what team is going to show up and they always pull an upset or a close game and are getting blown out a game later.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 16, 2007, 09:14:23 PM
Quote from: PacMan20 on January 16, 2007, 06:55:05 PM
Regarding the recent Alvernia - Cabrini game: Only 4 assists for Cabrini compared against 16 turnovers.  Not a very good ratio.  I hope for the players sake they can get it together and pull out a win Saturday afternoon with John Dzik and the alumni being in the stands. 


Regarding Marywood, they seem to be the jekyll and hyde of the PAC.  You never know what team is going to show up and they always pull an upset or a close game and are getting blown out a game later.

Give you the Cavs and 10 pts if you think Cabrini can beat Nuemann with Dzik in the building unless he is coaching the game himself... Whats up with this team????
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 16, 2007, 09:16:22 PM
Quote from: Jon on January 15, 2007, 11:22:39 PM
WolfPAC,

The online story isn't going to tell you too much about the game...that was some ugly basketball on both ends.  Alvernia shot a season-low .373 from the floor and still won by 35...not good.

Just a bad game or did you guys play down to the competition???

Seemed like alot of rebounds for the Crusaders but alot of missed jump shots on both ends.  Cabrini shoots horrible every night except for Walsh maybe.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 16, 2007, 10:02:48 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on January 16, 2007, 09:16:22 PM

Just a bad game or did you guys play down to the competition???

Seemed like alot of rebounds for the Crusaders but alot of missed jump shots on both ends.  Cabrini shoots horrible every night except for Walsh maybe.

Neither team was sharp...plenty of possessions on both ends of the court were painful to watch.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on January 17, 2007, 01:56:37 PM
Quote from: Jon on January 16, 2007, 10:02:48 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on January 16, 2007, 09:16:22 PM

Just a bad game or did you guys play down to the competition???

Seemed like alot of rebounds for the Crusaders but alot of missed jump shots on both ends.  Cabrini shoots horrible every night except for Walsh maybe.

Neither team was sharp...plenty of possessions on both ends of the court were painful to watch.

Nothing better to watch then a good basketball game (Texas vs. OK state)

Nothing worse to watch then bad basketball... (apparantly Alvernia / Cabrini)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 17, 2007, 06:54:55 PM
Quote from: Coach K on January 17, 2007, 01:56:37 PM
Quote from: Jon on January 16, 2007, 10:02:48 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on January 16, 2007, 09:16:22 PM

Just a bad game or did you guys play down to the competition???

Seemed like alot of rebounds for the Crusaders but alot of missed jump shots on both ends.  Cabrini shoots horrible every night except for Walsh maybe.

Neither team was sharp...plenty of possessions on both ends of the court were painful to watch.

Nothing better to watch then a good basketball game (Texas vs. OK state)

Nothing worse to watch then bad basketball... (apparantly Alvernia / Cabrini)


How true....Coach K.

You must admit it is apples and oranges though.  The better game is obviously more entertaining as well.  Guess you wouldn't come out to a PAC game if you had your choice to watch a good game on TV.

I must agree with you.  But... what if it was Alvernia vs Gwen...
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on January 18, 2007, 01:22:12 AM
Any predictions on the Mighty Macs visiting Eastern? Immaculata is coming off a good win. Eastern better be ready for a dog fight. Eastern escaped last year with a one point win if I remember correctly?

Across the street Gwynedd takes on the Cavaliers. Does anyone think the Cavs can get their first league win?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 18, 2007, 09:28:31 AM
Quote from: East Coast Eagle on January 18, 2007, 01:22:12 AM
Any predictions on the Mighty Macs visiting Eastern? Immaculata is coming off a good win. Eastern better be ready for a dog fight. Eastern escaped last year with a one point win if I remember correctly?

Across the street Gwynedd takes on the Cavaliers. Does anyone think the Cavs can get their first league win?
Eagle, the Macs are a good team that can beat almost anyone in this conference at any time.  I think EU will be ready, and hope they play good D tonight.

I hope the comment you made about Cavs winning tonight is tongue-in-cheek.  G-MC is a little better than that.  I am truly enjoying watching Macciocca drive his career into the ground, and am thinking it will be sweet to see a 1 in the win column possibly, in mid-February.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on January 18, 2007, 11:20:55 AM
Rest of the league schedule:
Alvernia @ Neumann
Wesley @ Misericordia
Marywood @ Arcadia

Thoughts?
Things seem tight, anything a sure bet???
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on January 18, 2007, 12:39:52 PM
QuoteI am truly enjoying watching Macciocca drive his career into the ground, and am thinking it will be sweet to see a 1 in the win column possibly, in mid-February.

Mr. Eagle,

I can understand an Eastern guy enjoying Cabrini's losing - that's fair and probably expected.

But, the comment about Macciocca's career is uncalled for.

Believe me, I'm not shedding any tears for Cabrini, but I don't wish any ill will on the coach.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 18, 2007, 04:40:26 PM
Lefty2 -

The situation is a disaster and is much worse than has been discussed here.  I am not surprised there is serious ill will starting to show.

I like Eastern, GMC, Miseri, Arcadia and Alvernia tonight.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on January 18, 2007, 05:50:06 PM
LEFTY

Please check that again.

I NEVER made a comment about the Cabrini coach driving his career into the ground... that was Chiz. The only statement I made was a question asking people if they thought Cabrini could get their first league win.

I am also not here to humiliate anyone and wish ill will. I just merely state some facts with opinions.

Lets remember.... I did say I do not think he is a good coach and should probably resign for his own future. BUT I was also one who thought his personal life and other financial means should be kept off this board, I see no relevance their.

LETS GO EASTERN TONIGHT!!!

Chiz, I agree, Immaculata is well coached (but so are we with Coach N) and they can beat anyone on any given night... and that makes me worried about this game.... especially with what happen last year. See you there!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on January 18, 2007, 09:20:20 PM
My apologies to East Coast Eagle.

Lefty
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on January 18, 2007, 09:32:23 PM
WolfPAC,


Good basketball is good basketball regardless if it is the NBA, division 1, 2, or 3, High school or youth basketball. The second best game I saw this week was Drew vs. DeSales at DeSales. Well played, few turnovers, guys playing hard, excellent coaching, OT game. You couldn't ask for more. I don't discriminate about a game being on TV ;) I love it all!!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 18, 2007, 10:02:04 PM
Coach K,

It is good to hear that...... all you care about is basketball itself not the source of entertainment.  Makes me feel someone else cares about the pure form of the sport.

What is going on at Cabrini though?    All I hear is how bad the coach is but what will the institution do about it?

Sounds as if no one cares because the D3 philosophy is all academics & Cabrini could really care less about who shows up  to the games or how many wins they have.

If this is the case, Machucka will be there forever and his record can only get better.  Think about it... in 10 years he will have his first 10 win season with the Cavs the way things are progressing or shall I say regressing.

What is the AD going to do about it?  The students are fed up by now I am almost sure.    This institutions so-called basketball program is the laughing stock of the PAC.   What do they do? 













Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 18, 2007, 10:06:16 PM
Does anyone really care at Cabrini or what?

Have they really lost their alumni up there?  The program is going to hell.  If it was not for lacrosse up there and a couple of track stars all may be lost.

There is not even a rivalry now between EU,  EU is simply able to beat up on them.  Back in the day the students would never take this stuff and would protest in some way.  Hope someone wakes up soon over there.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on January 18, 2007, 10:10:27 PM
Wolfpac,

If the students of Cabrini want to go to a school with a good basketball team maybe they should transfer to a DII college.

Also any Cabrini people on here: Can you fill me in as to what time the Alumni game is taking place on Saturday.  When I originally received the paper in my mailbox I ripped it up shortly after reading it.  Later I found out that some of the alumni would be attending due to the appearance of John Dzik.  Thankfully the Cabrini basketball alumni game does not have to be played at Eastern again this year. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 18, 2007, 10:21:35 PM
PacMan20 -

All the information is at http://www.cavsalumni.com

Alumni game is at 11, hospo suite and women's game at 1, Men's game at 3 and beef and beer at McGillicuddy's at 6:30.

See you there!

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 18, 2007, 10:26:58 PM
If anybody reads the D3 hoops front page  "Around the Nation" on the website,   take notice as you scroll all the way down to the bottom.

The last couple of sentences way down in blue.

"Cabrini plummets after the firing of John Dzik two years ago"
or something to that effect.  Kinda makes me feel like the nation is taking notice as well after all those great Dzik seasons and publicity as they continue to slide to the lowest of lows.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 18, 2007, 10:28:46 PM
Quote from: PacMan20 on January 18, 2007, 10:10:27 PM
Wolfpac,

If the students of Cabrini want to go to a school with a good basketball team maybe they should transfer to a DII college.

Also any Cabrini people on here: Can you fill me in as to what time the Alumni game is taking place on Saturday.  When I originally received the paper in my mailbox I ripped it up shortly after reading it.  Later I found out that some of the alumni would be attending due to the appearance of John Dzik.  Thankfully the Cabrini basketball alumni game does not have to be played at Eastern again this year. 


You sound like the president of the college...... if you want to win go to a D2 or d1 school  what about pride and tradition in your d3 school.

Does anyone care ?????? >:( >:(
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 18, 2007, 10:38:48 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on January 18, 2007, 10:26:58 PM
If anybody reads the D3 hoops front page  "Around the Nation" on the website,   take notice as you scroll all the way down to the bottom.

The last couple of sentences way down in blue.

"Cabrini plummets after the firing of John Dzik two years ago"
or something to that effect.  Kinda makes me feel like the nation is taking notice as well after all those great Dzik seasons and publicity as they continue to slide to the lowest of lows.

That's actually under the headline No sweat for HPU for those who want to find it.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 18, 2007, 11:18:51 PM
Rough night for the Vern in Aston tonight.  First PAC loss for both the men and the women.

Immaculata 73, Eastern 60 - http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=3777&scoreboard (http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=3777&scoreboard)

Neumann 61, Alvernia 60 - http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=691&scoreboard (http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=691&scoreboard)

Misericordia 83, Wesley 64 - http://www.misericordia.edu/athletics/basketball-men/ (http://www.misericordia.edu/athletics/basketball-men/)

Arcadia 65, Marywood 54 - n/a
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on January 19, 2007, 03:08:22 AM
Chiz... I hate to say it, but  I saw it coming. We can bounce back.

News from across the street at CC is not good. Another league loss and unhappy campers. Expect the unexpected this weekend.... especially with Dzik coming to town.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 19, 2007, 10:26:05 AM
Quote from: East Coast Eagle on January 19, 2007, 03:08:22 AM
Chiz... I hate to say it, but  I saw it coming. We can bounce back.

News from across the street at CC is not good. Another league loss and unhappy campers. Expect the unexpected this weekend.... especially with Dzik coming to town.
I am reading into your statement here.  Although it would be nice, what I think you are implying is not going to happen.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on January 19, 2007, 02:20:35 PM
Wolfpac,

I hope you understand that my previous post was quite sarcastic.  Just making sure.

COach C,

Thanks for the information provided.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on January 19, 2007, 02:21:23 PM
Rumor that there is an eagle who used to be a cavalier in here!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 19, 2007, 02:58:02 PM
20 -

I think we all know the east coast eagle.  Many of us who used to be Cavs have other allegiances now.

I was surprised that the Cabrini site mentioned Coach Dzik by name!

ECE -

I was surprised at the loss.  I thought this WAS going to be the bounce back game.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 19, 2007, 05:39:12 PM
The ECE  was part of a winning program why would anyone who wants to win stick around at a school who doesn't have a clue about what a good basketball program is about.

The stuff is finally starting to hit the fan over there.  Just the beginning.
The backstabbing over at the Dixon center is dangerous.  The situation as Coach C. implies is very much worse than one can believe.

Jon,   only goes to show you Alvernia is human too!    Perhaps a wake up call after an easy game where no one gave a hoot. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on January 19, 2007, 09:42:35 PM
If Cabrini goes winless the rest of the way how can anyone give the coach another year after winning 12 games and two years? And that was after not rehiring Dzik who won 486 in twenty plus.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 19, 2007, 09:49:53 PM
Heat,

They just don't care up there. It ain't like it used to be.

Could never imagine the Cavaliers losing 3 in a row under Dzik in the PAC until they pulled the plug on him about 4 years ago and he still kept the program respectable with his kids.

Can't even win a PAC game...... holy blank!

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 19, 2007, 09:52:32 PM
The Eastern Eagles are taking over Radnor now.


Hey Jon, whats up with Alvernia?   Is this a mini  mini  slump or something bigger like no heart or lack of depth?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 19, 2007, 09:55:41 PM
Wolf,

Not sure I'd call the Neumann loss a wake up call.  I'm sure the Crusaders went down to Aston expecting a fight.  It's been well documented that any team in this conference can win at any time...well, maybe I should settle for "most teams."  I'm also not sure one loss constitutes use of the word "slump."  Unless your Tiger I think streaks should lead to slumps.

Poor shooting night for both teams at Neumann on Thursday and the second straight game for the Crusaders without Finger on the floor.

Tomorrow's game should be interesting at Arcadia with Boettcher back in town.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 22, 2007, 10:57:23 AM
Quote from: WolfPAC on January 19, 2007, 09:52:32 PM
The Eastern Eagles are taking over Radnor now.


Hey Jon, whats up with Alvernia?   Is this a mini  mini  slump or something bigger like no heart or lack of depth?
Wolf, I agree with Jon.  I don't think Alvernia is in even a mini-slump.  They lost to Neumann, a strong rival.  Neumann is good, not great, and we know that this conference is a funny one in that most of the teams can beat any team at any time.

I don't know about you all, but I am definitely getting tired of the talk about how Cabrini doesn't care about their basketball.  Let's get over it, Cabrini fans!  You'll have your Macciocca head on a platter before you know it, and you'll hopefully get a better coach, although I don't see the job attracting much of a coach.

On to Eastern basketball . . .
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 22, 2007, 11:12:15 AM
EU lost their second game to Wesley this weekend.  What a shame.  Johnson (Rashawn, not Mike) scores 31?  Where's the defense?  Is this guy unstoppable or is EU just weak against dominant offensive threats?  Any of you have a take on this?

EU is definitely on a slump, and will be in trouble if the players can't respond.  I hold the captains, or should I say captain, responsible.  Although the captain is the strong-silent type, it's time for him to start kicking butt and taking names in practice.

By the way, the other captain, Bobby Black, is no longer on the team for reasons to remain unnamed by me.  What a joke he was.  Hey, Bobby, how's that basket look from behind the arc at the local street courts?  It must be nice not studying anymore, but that might not be a change from when you were enrolled . . . IN CLASSES!

Anyway, I sure would like to see EU actually play to their potential in SOME of the rest of the conference games.  I don't see that happening, but a man can dream.  Right now EU is reminding me of that guy in the movie "Dodgeball" who was the oldest on the team.  He was the team wuss, who finally got pissed off to win a big game at the end.  (Also remember when he got punched in the nuts by Patches O'Toole which garnered no response.  Remind you of EU, right?)  Only I don't know if EU's boys (and I mean that literally) have enough emotion to start an 8th grade cat fight over who likes Carson Daly the most.

On to more interesting teams, like Alvernia.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 22, 2007, 11:14:02 AM
Jon, or any other Alvernia fan, how are the Crusaders looking health-wise?  Where has Finger been?  Did the 1-point loss to Neumann do anything to your guys?  I hope so.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 22, 2007, 01:21:57 PM
chiz,

Can't chat long...Monday's are long days in the office, especially with a doubleheader on tap for tonight.

Finger missed some time with an ankle injury.  I assume you're hoping for a negative effect from the Neumann loss, but I'm not sure that's what happened. We had a look to win it and it didn't happen.  A win at Arcadia on Saturday hopefully put us back on the right track.

Johnson, Rashawn is one of those players who can carry a team all by himself...sometimes regardless of what a defense does to stop him (see:  Chandler, Willie).  I think sometimes you need to apply the Division III version of the "Jordan Rules" when you face a player like that.  He's going to score his share of points, but if you can control the other players on the court, and take care of the ball, and rebound, blah, blah, blah, things can work out in your favor.

Check us out on the web tonight.  Start at http://athletics.alvernia.edu  (http://athletics.alvernia.edu) and head to either Women's or Men's Basketball for links to the gamecast.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 22, 2007, 02:42:41 PM
Quote from: Jon on January 22, 2007, 01:21:57 PM
chiz,

Can't chat long...Monday's are long days in the office, especially with a doubleheader on tap for tonight.

Finger missed some time with an ankle injury.  I assume you're hoping for a negative effect from the Neumann loss, but I'm not sure that's what happened. We had a look to win it and it didn't happen.  A win at Arcadia on Saturday hopefully put us back on the right track.

Johnson, Rashawn is one of those players who can carry a team all by himself...sometimes regardless of what a defense does to stop him (see:  Chandler, Willie).  I think sometimes you need to apply the Division III version of the "Jordan Rules" when you face a player like that.  He's going to score his share of points, but if you can control the other players on the court, and take care of the ball, and rebound, blah, blah, blah, things can work out in your favor.

Check us out on the web tonight.  Start at http://athletics.alvernia.edu  (http://athletics.alvernia.edu) and head to either Women's or Men's Basketball for links to the gamecast.
I hope I didn't come across as sounding negative towards Alvernia, if that's what you mean.  If I were a betting man (and I don't bet on sports), I would put the deed to my second bedroom on the line when it comes to Alvernia beating Miseri tonight.  Notice that I didn't say my house for two reasons, the most important being that Miseri is a good team most of the time.

I hate to hear it, but it's true . . . Johnson, R. is a Chandler-type player regarding his ignorance of the strength of defense against him.  You're totally correct about how to beat Wesley.  I just wish EU could have done exactly that.

Good luck tonight.  Right now, EU needs to win games, and hope that Alvernia doesn't lose, in order to get a good seed in the conference tourney.  (Which is not as far away as it might seem).
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 22, 2007, 02:51:43 PM
My picks for tonight:

Misericordia @ Alvernia - Alvernia by 9
Neumann @ Marywood - Neumann by 4
Macs @ Wesley - Wesley by 5
EU @ G-MC - EU by 6 (call me crazy)

Anyone else?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 22, 2007, 03:09:39 PM
chiz,

Negative may have been too strong a word.  I was operating under the assumption that you weren't hoping the Neumann loss would enspire the Crusaders to bigger and better things.

Should be a good one in the PEC tonight.  I think predicting any Division III games has to have an error margin of +/- 8-10 points at a minimum.

You're crazy (you asked for it)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 22, 2007, 03:12:14 PM
Well, you know what they say.  To paraphrase - There's a fine line between the insane and the genius.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 22, 2007, 03:16:53 PM
Had you touted Gator Football for the month of December you would have been praised for your ability to assess talent, and had the Buckeyes actually come through, the worst you would have been is ignored...a risk/reward that would have been worth it in my opinion.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 22, 2007, 03:32:42 PM
I must give a well-deserved congratulations to Cabrini.  They are currently not the worst team in D3 men's basketball.  Cabrini, among about a dozen other 1-win teams, is being edged out by Eastern Nazarene, who is winless thus far.

I think that is the only winless team this year in D3 men's basketball.  However, besides Eastern Nazarene, I believe that Cabrini could be waiting the longest for their next win, with that last win being on Nov. 21, the first week of basketball.

Excellent job, Cabrini!  Macciocca must be very proud.  But keep up the hard work, as it is still possible to become the worst team in D3 if East.Naz. is able to squeak out 2 wins this year.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 22, 2007, 04:40:08 PM
Seems like the Cavs played with a little heart though and almost came back at the end. Gotta give credit for something.  Everyday can't be alumni day though.

Bruce leads the Pac in rebounds as well I believe...... they pounded the ball inside and got some good results. Maybe the tide is turning. Perhaps a win against Immaculata is not out of the question.

Anyone else see it this way or was this just a fluke ???
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 22, 2007, 05:00:13 PM
Alvernia, Neumann, Wesley and GMC tonight.

Cabrini is actually the 16th worst team in the nation if you look at Massey.  They are missing some results though.  My guess is that they could be a handful of teams in the nation right now.

Turning it around?  Not sure, but I will give the coach credit for having a serious set of balls!

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 22, 2007, 07:12:03 PM
Quote from: Coach C on January 22, 2007, 05:00:13 PM
Alvernia, Neumann, Wesley and GMC tonight.

Cabrini is actually the 16th worst team in the nation if you look at Massey.  They are missing some results though.  My guess is that they could be a handful of teams in the nation right now.

Turning it around?  Not sure, but I will give the coach credit for having a serious set of balls!

C


I think I know exactly where you are coming from with the last comment.  I was there too.  Maybe realizing you can't do it yourself at a small school with only one basketball alumni to support you!

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on January 22, 2007, 07:41:13 PM
I think the major question involving Cabrini is whether or not they will be the first team since Marywood in 2001 to go winless in the PAC.  Part of me wants them to lose, I like the idea of a streak.  However, I think Cal Tech's streak should be safe for now.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: kaiser sose on January 22, 2007, 08:10:13 PM
I have seen Cabrini twice this year and he, IMO. is not a strong enough coach to lead this program.  Could he coach at a couple of other PAC school's? Perhaps, but Cabrinin deserves and can get better.  This really comes down to the AD admitting she made a poor higher and righting the mistake.  Not that tough.

I could name 10 coaches in the area who would be better choices then the current guy.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 22, 2007, 08:36:09 PM
Quote from: Coach C on January 22, 2007, 05:00:13 PM
Not sure, but I will give the coach credit for having a serious set of balls!

C
C, we would all appreciate it if you would stay away from speaking about anyone's anatomy in the future.

Blind courage is worse than cowardice, as cowardice only hurts the coward, and the former will usually hurt all involved.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 22, 2007, 10:19:10 PM
chiz,

What's the daily number tomorrow...I got a couple bucks laying around that need a home.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 23, 2007, 08:57:54 AM
Seems like the gaurds in the PAC leave something to be desired overall. 
Where are all the skilled players that dwelled in the PAC even at Alvernia?

The PAC is up for grabs in terms of getting into the playoffs.  May only need 3 or 4 wins so if someone steps up never say never.  Sure we know who is going to win the title but.... the PAC is not what it used to be in terms of skilled players with the exception of a few.    Where are they?

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 23, 2007, 09:45:54 AM
Quote from: WolfPAC on January 23, 2007, 08:57:54 AM
Seems like the gaurds in the PAC leave something to be desired overall. 
Where are all the skilled players that dwelled in the PAC even at Alvernia?

The PAC is up for grabs in terms of getting into the playoffs.  May only need 3 or 4 wins so if someone steps up never say never.  Sure we know who is going to win the title but.... the PAC is not what it used to be in terms of skilled players with the exception of a few.    Where are they?


Wolf, what do you mean by "may only need 3 or 4 wins"?

On the other side of things - THE EAGLES ARE ALIVE!  Nice win in Gwynett Valley.  BTW, does anybody know how much EU won by?  It's great to see Ty Coleman performing like I knew he could.

Good win for the Mighty Macs last night, too.

Jon, kind of a ho-hum game for the Vern?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 23, 2007, 11:08:43 AM
Chiz,

I was referring to the notion that 6 teams make the playoffs so I thought a team with 3 or 4 wins would squeek into the playoffs.   Your point is well-taken though, I think you are correct in questioning me.  It will take more than three or four after I looked at the standings.

Perhaps 8 wins would be the magic number.  Cabrini statistically then would not have a chance unless everyone else above them would lose.

Oh boy!

What the heck is happening?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 23, 2007, 11:32:51 AM
chiz,

The defensive effort by the Crusaders led to what may have been perceived as a ho-hum win.  Tyrone Bradley was terrific defending Baumunk.  It's refreshing to see a player enjoy playing that hard on the defensive end.  The Crusaders have been shooting very well from the floor this season.  If that team walks out and shoots 50% or better from the arc with 15-plus attempts its going to be tough to beat.

In response to WolfPAC's comment about skill players, my somewhat biased opinion is that Alvernia can put five highly skilled players on the floor at any given time.  It's unfortunate we don't have that ESPNU contract together for airing games from the PEC.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 23, 2007, 12:47:23 PM
Defense, it's a wonderful thing, isn't it?  Play it really well, and you could win with very little offense.  I agree with you, Jon, about watching players who take pride in good D.  I also agree that five skilled players can outplay a team with a great guard 9 times out of 10, at an away game.  While I don't see a lot of amazing guards in our league, we have several good ones.  I think that this close to Philly, people assume that a team must have a great guard who can dribble the leather off the ball (pound the floor) in order to be great.  That's a shame in my book.

Wolf, I see your point about the 3/4 win thing.  I think it's more like 5/6 wins.  To expand on that line, though, this conference is knocking the c-rap out of itself.  Exciting in my book, regardless of what anybody thinks about the strength of this conference in relation to other conferences in the region.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 23, 2007, 12:56:34 PM
Jon, I'll give you the Wacky Wiz Vegas Line for Thursday's games, as I'm beginning to enjoy this:

Vern @ Wesley - Vern by 7
Arcadia @ Neumann - Neumann in a squeaker by 2
Miseri @ EU - EU by 8 (Malloy has a career night)
Immac @ Cabrini - (you know where this is going) Chadwin's team beats by 15
Marywood @ G-MC - G-MC by 13

By the way, Macciocca, I hear Wake Forest is looking for a waterboy and someone who can stare down the Duke staff.  Graduate Assistantships are available.  They also need a uniform manager, which is probably right up your alley.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 02:25:58 PM
Hmm, I think we've crossed the line into taunting, which is probably not needed. Right?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 23, 2007, 03:08:46 PM
the game at Gwynedd was fascinating for a number of reasons. The sixteen point differential in the first game does not even begin to tell the story of Gwynedd's early season domination at EU. The Griffins led by 27 late, and the Eagles scored 32 points in the closing eight minutes of the game to improve the game cosmetically to 77-61.
Gwynedd, without Smith (who is VERY GOOD) outrebounded the Eagles by 12 and controlled every phase of the game. Santiago gave the Eagles fits off the dribble and with short jumpers. The defensive effort of Malloy and Coleman on Santiago and Smith was huge. Johnson picked up 6 blocked shots, which is a really big number that doesn't include shots he altered.
Volpe stuck some big shots, and the Eagles hit eight straight free throws at a critical juncture in the second half. It was great to see the team earn stops at the defensive end and hit free throws down the stretch.
The big test will be to see if the Eastern team can return with the same intensity and execution for a home game against Misericordia with Alvernia on the horizon.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on January 23, 2007, 05:13:19 PM
Speaking of the Cabrini Alumni game and so on:  Its bad enough that many bball alumni players and coaches from Cabrini genereally dont like the present coach due to certain issues (last years alumni game, treatment of some Dzik recruited players).  But How embarrasing is it for a second year coach to have to welcome back all of the alumni while at the same time having a 1- 14 record ( i think).  To me this had to be an extremely humbling experience.

Then on top of that he then shows up to the alumni beef and beer.  The question that needs to be asked is: Has coach maccoica realized his mistake with the debacle of last years alumni game which had to be held at Eastern or does he see the writing on the wall i.e. his job is on the line so he is trying to drum up some support from the alumni.

Unfortunately i think we can all agree that while the alumni may have given him lip service on Saturday evening he better start winning some games if he hopes to save his job because i really cant see him getting their support.

I would like to give him the benefit of doubt and think he was genuine on Saturday, but i really dont know.  Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 23, 2007, 09:03:02 PM
Well, I don't know if the inspired second half was a result of good coaching or just kids being tired of losing, but the Cvas did do some good things against Neumann.

Maccocia is very good at handing out uniforms.

The Cavs alumni behaved very well Saturday and at the bar and there is no need for taunting. 

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 23, 2007, 10:37:47 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on January 23, 2007, 12:56:34 PM
Jon, I'll give you the Wacky Wiz Vegas Line for Thursday's games, as I'm beginning to enjoy this:

Vern @ Wesley - Vern by 7
Arcadia @ Neumann - Neumann in a squeaker by 2
Miseri @ EU - EU by 8 (Malloy has a career night)
Immac @ Cabrini - (you know where this is going) Chadwin's team beats by 15
Marywood @ G-MC - G-MC by 13

By the way, Macciocca, I hear Wake Forest is looking for a waterboy and someone who can stare down the Duke staff.  Graduate Assistantships are available.  They also need a uniform manager, which is probably right up your alley.




Chiz,  kinda reminds me of the song "Can't Buy Me Love"  you gotta earn your respect by winning games and coaching the right way.

Chiz....... for the record  whoever you are.................................................. You may have the biggest set of balls!!!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 23, 2007, 10:39:46 PM
Does anyone out there think the Cavs will beat IMMACULATA?   :D
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on January 24, 2007, 02:47:36 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on January 23, 2007, 12:56:34 PM
Jon, I'll give you the Wacky Wiz Vegas Line for Thursday's games, as I'm beginning to enjoy this:

Vern @ Wesley - Vern by 7
Arcadia @ Neumann - Neumann in a squeaker by 2
Miseri @ EU - EU by 8 (Malloy has a career night)
Immac @ Cabrini - (you know where this is going) Chadwin's team beats by 15
Marywood @ G-MC - G-MC by 13

By the way, Macciocca, I hear Wake Forest is looking for a waterboy and someone who can stare down the Duke staff.  Graduate Assistantships are available.  They also need a uniform manager, which is probably right up your alley.

Not sure about the coach bashing but I like the picks.  Its always amazed me how easy coaching looks from the stands.  I'm sure it can't be as easy when you're on the sidelines, maybe Macciocca isn't the only problem.  Who knows, I've only seen them once.

Can't figure out Wesley.  As a roster-reader it would seem they are a descent team.  Any ideas why they're struggling?
I was surprised by the Eastern win vs. GMC only because it was on the road.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 24, 2007, 03:50:11 PM
Not sure if anyone would want to trade places with Macciocca.  Through circumstances, he has the toughest shoes of all to fill.

The one thing he better do is to start recruiting if he wants to find skilled players to make his job easier.  Talented kids translates to wins then frustration dillutes itself.  If he can grab a couple of wins down the stretch he would probably earn himself the job for next year.   

If he goes winless in the PAC then the obvious will take place. The Cavs have to start playing better defense or develop a better system to overcome their lack of talent on the court at any one given time.  Seems like Reid, Clifton and Bruce M. are their strength but if the others catch on and pound the ball inside good things may start happening for them.

It is hard to teach skill though......  Why do you thing Alvernia is alway there? Depth, skill, talent.

Start recruiting.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 25, 2007, 10:32:21 PM
Terrence Shawell put on another show matching a school-record with 38 points in Alvernia's 79-69 win at Wesley on Thursday.

Eastern and Neumann both posted 60 points in victories and GMC nearly doubled up Marywood.  Any word from the Dixon Center tonight?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 25, 2007, 10:34:45 PM
no word from the Cavs as of yet....


The Crusaders are looking like they are hitting stride ! ! !
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 25, 2007, 10:35:07 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on January 23, 2007, 12:56:34 PM
Vern @ Wesley - Vern by 7
Arcadia @ Neumann - Neumann in a squeaker by 2
Miseri @ EU - EU by 8 (Malloy has a career night)
Immac @ Cabrini - (you know where this is going) Chadwin's team beats by 15
Marywood @ G-MC - G-MC by 13
Vern wins by 10
Neumann doesn't really win in a squeaker, with 11 points in the lead
G-MC wins by, ahem, almost 50 (was this a JV game?)
EU wins by 17
And the big news of the night - Cabrini wins over Immaculata!  Attentiona all Cabrini students, staff, and alumni:  10% off all men's suits and separates at Nordstrom's tomorrow!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 25, 2007, 10:44:17 PM
A couple remarks about some interesting comments by recent posters:

Hoopzwiz - I, too, was surprised with EU's win at G-MC.  A pleasant surprise at that.  G-MC is tough to win at if the team lets the crowd get into their head.  If you haven't seen it, many of the out-of-season athletes sit just above the visiting team's bench and literally hover over them during the whole game, getting especially raucous during time outs.  It's actually a fun atmosphere and I've seen Coach N get into some hilarious give and take between the G-MC fans.  A coach with a hot temper, though, would have some major problems there during a tough game.

Wolf - this is my guess, but I think it's going to take more than 4 or 5 wins for Macciocca to salvage his job.  However, as we all know, the admin. at Cabrini has done more surprising things than keep a coach with a horrible record on staff.  I will definitely be surprised if he stays after February (assuming he wins less than 6-7 more games), but I won't be THAT surprised.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 25, 2007, 10:46:22 PM
Jon,

Any interest on your part in making a gentleman's bet on the game coming up in two nights?  I'm predicting an EU win by 6.  BTW, I can hear you laughing on the other end, but I'm serious.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 25, 2007, 10:47:50 PM
And Jon, please tell your scorekeeper no more funny stunts with the fouls.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 25, 2007, 10:50:33 PM
Chiz you are something else.... my wardrobe is just fine right now though.

Hope the Cavs don't get a big head over their first PAC win.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 25, 2007, 10:54:56 PM
Whats wrong with EU stealing one from the Vern?

Jon, seriously,  do you think EU has a chance with the your boy lighting up the board at this time of the year?

Wouldn't it be great though if EU shocked them???

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 25, 2007, 10:59:11 PM
chiz,

I chuckled at the first post...the belly laughing didn't start until you mentioned the scorekeeper.  

Sorry I can't indulge in the gentelmen's wager...I'm contractually obligated to refrain.  I'm hoping the presence of former players in the building for the alumni game that follows will inspire the boys on Saturday.  Maybe we'll invest in a Wolverine cutout for the front row to inspire Shawell who is averaging 34.5 against the Wes.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 25, 2007, 11:01:24 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on January 25, 2007, 10:54:56 PM
Whats wrong with EU stealing one from the Vern?

Jon, seriously,  do you think EU has a chance with the your boy lighting up the board at this time of the year?

Wouldn't it be great though if EU shocked them???
It's funny, the other day I found myself sticking up for the Griffins in a discussion with other Mid-Atlantic schools, but now to see a Cabrini backer supporting Eastern...never thought I would see the day.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 25, 2007, 11:24:18 PM
Real defensive struggle at Eu tonight. Malloy did a nice job on Little keeping the Cougars on the perimeter for most of the night. Although I think if the Cougars just had one of those nights when they absolutely could not shoot straight (2-23 from three including 13 straight misses in the first half). Reminds me of the first EU Gwynedd game. Eastern slowed the game to a .... I'd say crawl, but that's too fast... I've seen glaciers move faster. In the second half, and Misericordia just could not even come close to getting enough possessions to get back in. I guess an ugly second half is better than giving up a 31 point lead.

While we are on the subject. I caught the last six minutes of the Cabrini game. A McClelland three point play tied it up with 1:08 on the clock, and Finklea missed a tough J as the shot clock expired for Immac. I didn't see who got it, but the Macs got the offensive rebound with no shot clock. After a timeout they shot a jumper with about 6 or seven seconds left. Whoever got the board for Cabrini fired it length of the court to a wide open Reid who missed the lay up but got fouled. He left an eight inch shot two feet short, but was able to hit the first free throw for what I am assuming was the final margin. I didn't stick around to watch the second foul shot. Very conflicted feeling to root for Cabrini tonight, but on the balance it is what is best for the Eagles, so I reluctantly did.

I really feel like Wesley is the most difficult team to gauge, they have talent, but they need to hit outside shots and force turnovers to sin. They are capable of giving up ridiculous field goal percentages and if they are not hitting from the perimeter I think teams can sit back and protect against penetration. Obviously Alvernia is not a good match up for the Wolverines.

The GMC-EU game came down to Eastern neutralizing Santiago. Neither team has ever really enjoyed that much of a home court advantage in that match up.

Come on C-hizzle, you know Jon can't bet. Jon, you might know this, what are the all-time PAC records for teams playing at the Vern?

Somewhere out there a group of Marywood alumns popped open a bottle of Champagne knowing that their record remains safe for another year.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 25, 2007, 11:28:15 PM
Jon,

Re: the foul comment.  Quite a funny situation.  That's what makes d3 fun.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 25, 2007, 11:31:38 PM
Chairdude,

Here's where the raw data is for that question  http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2006/2/8/MB%20Records.pdf?path=mbball (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2006/2/8/MB%20Records.pdf?path=mbball).  I would have to stick a GA with that job unless someone from the crack staff here at the PAC Chat Room needs something to do over lunch tomorrow.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 25, 2007, 11:33:26 PM
chiz,

I'm pretty sure "funny" wouldn't be in the first dozen or so words chosen by our scorekeeper if you asked him about the situation. :)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 26, 2007, 12:05:36 AM
Quote from: Jon on January 25, 2007, 11:33:26 PM
chiz,

I'm pretty sure "funny" wouldn't be in the first dozen or so words chosen by our scorekeeper if you asked him about the situation. :)
Well, he does take his job very seriously.  I'm thankful for that considering other bookkeepers I've seen at other un-named schools through the years.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 26, 2007, 12:13:06 AM
Quick research. It looks like the Eagles last won in Reading on Dec. 1, 1999 in a 67-66 squeaker. Prior to that, there are no Eastern wins at the Vern dating beack to 91. Are you looking to hire a GA? Seriously though, that is a lot of losses.

Also worth noting, last year, PAC teams all wanted to avoid being the first to lose to Immaculata how much things change in a year.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 26, 2007, 09:14:08 AM
chair,

We have two GAs in the department who both work in my office, so when they're not working on projects for other people in the department I get to put them on sidebar tasks such as this.  Our streaks get a bit more silly when you open up the women's record book.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 26, 2007, 11:34:18 AM
Speaking of streaks....
The EU women will look to snap their current streak at home against Rosemont on Saturday. If they don't get it done Saturday, then the 5th of February looks like the best possible chance. The Eagles will host the improbably inept Cedar Crest Falcons in a webcast affair. Jon, do you know what the longest league losing streak is for men or women?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 26, 2007, 11:39:44 AM
Good question...we would have to start with the PAC archived website and see if a school strung together a few winless seasons, or at least a few winless PAC seasons.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Chris Panter, GMC SID on January 26, 2007, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on January 25, 2007, 10:44:17 PM
G-MC is tough to win at if the team lets the crowd get into their head.  If you haven't seen it, many of the out-of-season athletes sit just above the visiting team's bench and literally hover over them during the whole game, getting especially raucous during time outs.  It's actually a fun atmosphere and I've seen Coach N get into some hilarious give and take between the G-MC fans.  A coach with a hot temper, though, would have some major problems there during a tough game.

Actually, since the 04-05 season, any GM fan/out-of-season athlete/student was not allowed to sit behind the opposing team's bench. They must sit behind our bench. The rule is quickly enforced with my 7 ft. tazer that I use from press row.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 26, 2007, 12:57:06 PM
Quote from: Chris Panter, GMC SID on January 26, 2007, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on January 25, 2007, 10:44:17 PM
G-MC is tough to win at if the team lets the crowd get into their head.  If you haven't seen it, many of the out-of-season athletes sit just above the visiting team's bench and literally hover over them during the whole game, getting especially raucous during time outs.  It's actually a fun atmosphere and I've seen Coach N get into some hilarious give and take between the G-MC fans.  A coach with a hot temper, though, would have some major problems there during a tough game.

Actually, since the 04-05 season, any GM fan/out-of-season athlete/student was not allowed to sit behind the opposing team's bench. They must sit behind our bench. The rule is quickly enforced with my 7 ft. tazer that I use from press row.
Mr. GMC SID,

Wow!  I would be pissed if I was a fan of GMC basketball.  What was the reason for that?  I imagine it was because of coaches complaining?  Not that I am disappointed that this rule is in force, but that was some seriously good home court advantage.  If I was the AD at GMC, there's no way I would have considered taking those guys away from their seats.

Where did you get the tazer and is there any interest in selling it?  I have a couple stray dogs and cats in the area I need to do some, uhhmm, behavioral training with in regards to their invading my lawn.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 26, 2007, 04:53:20 PM
I think I may recall the incident that moved the fans from behind the opponent bench.  Was it as a result of a GMC-Cabrini Game where there were people over top the bench area?

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 26, 2007, 05:36:46 PM
C-

Were you at Cabrini last night? Two questions. First did the students storm the court at the end? I left after the first free throw on the assumption that Cabrini called a timeout to tell Reid to miss and the rest of the team not to foul. Which brings me to my second question. Did Reid really make the second free throw with .8 left on the clock? I thought I saw that, but I am still trying o figure out a situation where you would want a player to hit that free throw and give the opposition a chance to make a 50 foot pass with the clock stopped. Just asking...anyone want to deal with this one. Cabrini-Alvernia 2001 PAC Championship game notwithstanding, the game is OVER if he misses.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2007, 05:44:30 PM
It's hard to miss intentionally. After all, you don't want to airball it and give the same chance to inbounds the ball that a made shot would.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 26, 2007, 06:46:12 PM
I think that he could have figured out a way to bang one off the back iron, but I'll consider that as one rationale. Either way the three pointer beats you.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 26, 2007, 08:24:57 PM
Quote from: Jon on January 25, 2007, 11:01:24 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on January 25, 2007, 10:54:56 PM
Whats wrong with EU stealing one from the Vern?

Jon, seriously,  do you think EU has a chance with the your boy lighting up the board at this time of the year?

Wouldn't it be great though if EU shocked them???
It's funny, the other day I found myself sticking up for the Griffins in a discussion with other Mid-Atlantic schools, but now to see a Cabrini backer supporting Eastern...never thought I would see the day.



Coach N. is a great guy.    If the Vern was across the street from Cabrini I would probably be there too.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 26, 2007, 09:52:24 PM
Sorry - I wasn't in the house.

The point is essentially meaningless.  If you make it, the only shot they can realistically make is a long 3, however you get a few seconds to organize a defense on the inbound.  I think that is a better situation that trying to miss a shot, leqave your guys in the lane to slow down the rebound and then hope your guards relase fasat enough to play D in the half court.

My preference is to make the shot and force them to run an inbound.  That's a defensive situation you (hopefully) pracitce every day.  Missing a shot and setting up a defense on the fly is not a situation you have likely practiced too often.

I will acknowledge there some would say that you miss the shot with .8.  i just would prefer not to.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 27, 2007, 11:17:20 AM
Big day in PAC hoops...I think you have to be intrigued by all five matchups.  Chiz, you care to pontificate on today's lineup?

Immaculata @ Marywood
Eastern @ Alvernia - http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/mbball/ (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/mbball/)
Wesley @ Neumann
Cabrini @ Misericordia
Arcadia @ Gwynedd-Mercy
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 27, 2007, 06:17:11 PM
Wow, scores indicate the exact opposite of what I was thinking earlier.

Immaculata 69, @ Marywood 58
@ Alvernia 70, Eastern 49
@ Neumann 82, Wesley 62
@ Misericordia 82, Cabrini 61
Arcadia @ Gwynedd-Mercy (no score yet)

Unfortunately I was running around a bit more than I had hoped today and didn't get to see much of the PEC action, but in the early going Eastern missed some looks that it needed to hit to hang around and Alvernia posted its fifth 50-percent 3-point effort of the season.  Shawell opened the game with a pair of 3s and King opened the second half with eight straight points.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on January 27, 2007, 09:27:25 PM
I saw something today that I've never seen before.

A head coach was in the bleachers scouting while his team was playing a game two hours away.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 27, 2007, 10:01:53 PM
Scarlet Knights by 23 at the Griffin Complex...no wonder that result wasn't readily available  :)  Boettcher goes for 27 and 11 and starts fencing in the yard around his cozy little spot on the All-PAC First Team.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 28, 2007, 12:58:52 AM
how many wins is going to take to make the playoffs?
Right now I'd say 9 1/2. I think there will be a nine win team that makes it and a nine win team that doesn't.
Any thoughts on this? Assuming Marywood and Cabrini are out, and by all appearances they are only mathamatically alive if that, and Alvernia is in. There are two teams that look pretty safe in Neumann and Gwynedd-Mercy (eight wins apiece), that leaves five teams scrambling for 3 spots. EU has two wins over Misericordia, but two losses against Wesley. They have already split with Arcadia, that might make the EU-Immaculata game at Immac pretty important.

Lefty-- was there a suspension involved?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on January 28, 2007, 04:51:08 PM
Lefty:

Where was the coach and has there been a suspension? Was he at your place or somewhere else?

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on January 28, 2007, 06:14:07 PM
I don't know if there was a suspension - I doubt that was case.

I think I know the reason why he was there - his team was playing a winless team and is facing a tough opponent in the near future.

Regardless, I'd never seen it before.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 29, 2007, 10:23:22 AM
Quote from: Jon on January 27, 2007, 11:17:20 AM
Big day in PAC hoops...I think you have to be intrigued by all five matchups.  Chiz, you care to pontificate on today's lineup?

Immaculata @ Marywood
Eastern @ Alvernia - http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/mbball/ (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/mbball/)
Wesley @ Neumann
Cabrini @ Misericordia
Arcadia @ Gwynedd-Mercy

Jon, was away from the computer and unable to pontificate, as such.  Sorry.

Well, your boys beat the bejeezus out of EU this weekend.  It would be nice to see my guys pick it back up tonight against Scarywood.

Here's my predictions for tonight:

Marywood @ EU - EU by 7
Alvernia @ GMC - Vern by 10
Neumann @ Immac - Macs by 3
Wesley @ Cabrini - Wesley by 5
Miseri @ Arcadia - Miseri by 7
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 29, 2007, 10:30:40 AM
chairman, I think you have a point with the "9 1/2 win" thing.  While Immaculata is important, I sure hope the guys can do a better job of focusing their intensity on the next game and then the next game, and so on.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 29, 2007, 03:03:13 PM
chiz,

I will likely refrain from associating lines with college games as a pracitce for the timebeing, but suffice it to say I am surprised by either pick or spread in almost all of your selections.  Last time that happened I vaguely remember helping myself to a delicious serving of broiled crow following a win for a certain team from St. Davids.

Now that February is right around the corner, I have returned to the practice of updating my PAC Men's Basketball Matrix.  The pdf version can be found on the home site at http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/1/29/0607%20PAC%20MB%20Matrix.pdf (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/1/29/0607%20PAC%20MB%20Matrix.pdf).  Please let me know if you see any errors.

Crusaders at the Griffins live from the Complex tonight at 6:00 and 8:00.  It's not exactly Tiger in HD, but if you're free, tune us in.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 29, 2007, 09:05:42 PM
Marywood loses by 20, 51-71 @ EU.

Does anybody think Coach Grundman will be looking for another job next year?  5-15 right now and 4-21 last year.

Jon, I didn't understand what you meant by "suffice it to say I am surprised by either pick or spread in almost all of your selections."

Did you mean that I have made some really bad picks?  Not quite sure what you mean.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 29, 2007, 11:38:29 PM
Eastern forced the Pacers into 31 turnovers. Blacknall, who played pretty well at the point in the first match up was out (injured?) and the other two kids running the point combined for an astounding 21 turnovers. The game was never tight. Wesley walloped Cabrini in the other game on Eagle Road. I think the final was 80-55, but whatever it was, it was a lot.

After seeing both Gwynedd and Alvernia in the past week, I could not have been more surprised by the result out of Gwynedd Valley. The other big surprise of the night has to be Immaculata over Neumann. Looks like the Mighty Macs dared the Knights to shoot fromdistance and did a good job of taking care of the glass.

Thanks for the Matrix Jon. The Wesley- Arcadia games could be critical for one or both teams.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 30, 2007, 12:30:01 AM
chiz,

I was surprised by your spreads on both Eagle Road games and picking Misericordia to win at Arcadia.  The Scarlet Knights are a fine outfit.

A rather un-Crusader-like output tonight.  The worst long range effort of the season thus far at roughly 15 percent...and I believe rough is the proper choice there.  Game was tied with under three to play and the Griffins hit two tough shots, one from Smith and one from DelBrocco to earn the win.

The matrix is reloaded (I promise to never use that joke again...just indulge me this once) http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/1/29/0607%20PAC%20MB%20Matrix.pdf (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/1/29/0607%20PAC%20MB%20Matrix.pdf)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 30, 2007, 03:58:11 PM
Jon,

I appreciate the work you put forth in doing the matrix.  Thanks.

Good point with the Scarlet Knights and my picks.

Can you do me a favor?  Please don't let your guys lose to PAC teams anymore.  It's hurting EU's seeding.  Not that this last loss hurt, but it could potentially hurt us.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 30, 2007, 03:59:20 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 28, 2007, 06:14:07 PM
I don't know if there was a suspension - I doubt that was case.

I think I know the reason why he was there - his team was playing a winless team and is facing a tough opponent in the near future.

Regardless, I'd never seen it before.
Lefty, who is the coach you are talking about?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 31, 2007, 08:49:27 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on January 30, 2007, 03:58:11 PM
Can you do me a favor?  Please don't let your guys lose to PAC teams anymore.  It's hurting EU's seeding.  Not that this last loss hurt, but it could potentially hurt us.

chizzle, sorry I can't be of any help there...players play, coaches coach, then I write about it when it's all over.  Looking at tomorrow's schedule, I would pay to watch games at Arcadia, Misericordia, and Neumann.

Anybody bold enough to throw out an All-Conference Team or two now that we're turning into the home stretch?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on January 31, 2007, 06:21:37 PM
Tough one for the Crusaders on Monday night. Seems like GMC controlled the pace, defended very well, guys that normally hit shots for AC were off. Well played game against two top teams in the conference.

I won't give an all conference team yet, still too much basketball to play. Let's see who leads their team to tough wins in this last 7-8 game stretch. Nice try though Jon!

Is it going to be another ugly one in Radnor tomorrow night?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 01, 2007, 12:02:10 AM
Picks for tomorrow night:

Wesley @ Marywood - Marywood by 2
Alvernia @ Cabrini - Vern by 18
EU @ Neumann - EU by 8 (DiMaria is top scorer)
Gwynedd @ Miseri - Gwynedd by 6
Macs @ Arcadia - Arcadia by 5
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 01, 2007, 06:56:40 AM
Wesley@theWood - Wesley by 2
Alvernia @ Dzik Dome - Alvernia by 23
Eastern @ the MAB Center - Eastern by 1 (OT)
GMC@ LesMis - GMC by 5
IMMAC @ the Castle - Arcadia by 3
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: am1554 on February 01, 2007, 11:31:16 AM
I'd say its definitley going to be an ugly one in Radnor tonight, if "coach" Maccioca sits in a 2-3 zone again watching his team get lit up from outside, maybe he'll have a game plan this time....
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 01, 2007, 11:36:56 PM
Coach C,

Good pick on your part with the Wesley win.  Although we both scored it close, you had the team.  I guess that's why it's called "Scarywood".  I wonder if Wesley had any gripes about their less-than-dreamy timer.

Much closer game for Alvernia.  What happened, Jon?  I guess a win is a win, be it by 1, 7, 18, or 23.

EU wins by 14, effectively by 30.  It was close up until the first half when the ref threw the ball toward the lights.  EU was up 40-7, if memory serves me right, during the first half.  Nadelhoffer put in some lineups that were fun to watch, but had some difficulty keeping the score differential at even.  Although, it's always expected that a team will come back.  Great job EU boys!  Bring that intensity to the next dozen or so games.

Gwynedd loses by 8?  Not surprising, but in this conference . . .

Immaculata loses by, well, more than a little.  I wonder if they had to play the free throw game at the end and didn't hit shots with a couple minutes left.  I wasn't there, obviously, but it looks like they might not have come out for the game.  Again, the Knights are a good team, but the Macs might still be experiencing some youth-like inconsistency.  I'm sure Chadwin will be riding them tomorrow in practice.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 01, 2007, 11:52:40 PM
I'm sitting here looking at the PAC standings after tonight's results, and I'm thinking that Neumann might be in a lot of trouble.  They've got 3 consecutive away games, at places that aren't easy to win:  Alvernia, GMC, and Misericordia (is that 6 players on the court or is one of those guys just a ref?).  I think they might find themselves at 8-8 with a home game against Cabrini, and you know Macciocca is going to have fun being a giant killer in his last few hurrahs as a PAC coach.  Then, they play Immaculata, who is going to need every win they can get (like a few others including EU), to get in the tourney.

I could be wrong, but I think Neumann is on a downward slope.

Marywood and Cabrini - their only fun now is in giving losses to unsuspecting teams or those on the bubble.  And I don't blame them.

Arcadia looks to slip into 5th or 6th seed, with a relatively (and I stress RELATIVELY) less difficult conference schedule left.

I think Wesley will be out, but just barely.

The bubble is probably Neumann, Misericordia, and Immaculata.  They are all playing each other, so it will be some fun ball the next two weeks in conference.

And now I submit this to the critics.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on February 02, 2007, 12:36:44 AM
Great game played by the Eagles tonight. All five starters scored in double figures. A very balanced attack.

Anyone at Cabrini tonight? Rumor has it the SID at Cabrini was shown the door, Jon do you have any inside SID info?

Could the mens basketball coach be next?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 02, 2007, 12:46:19 AM
C wizzle... Never got to 40-7. The Eagles did jump to a 32-4 lead, and the game was effecitvely over very early. Fritz scored 20 in the second half to repair things a little bit cosmetically, but the Eagles were dominating from the beginning.

They looked very relaxed and confident shooting the ball (It might be the church league sized gym), and they moved the ball really well. We have to check up on Malloy's career versus Neumann. I think he might want to play them every night.

Back to the playoff picture. The only thing anyone knows now is that if you win out you will get in. The Eagles now look to be in pretty good shape as they hold the tie breaker over Neumann and Miseri, but I am strarting to think that there is not going to be a nine win team in. I think it takes ten to feel confident. Have to be a little bit annoyed that Marywood couldn't pull off either overtime game agaisnt Wesley. (How on earth?) It seems like Marywood (with all their ballhandling problems) would be a terrible match up for the super-aggressive pressure defenses of Wesley, but the Pacers came close twice.

Misericordia by eight? What's amazingis that no one is thinking about seeding at this point everyone's trying to figure out who is going to get in. Chiz, I think Neumann will make it, but you could be right about how tough it is going to be with their coming schedule.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 02, 2007, 02:34:44 AM
Jon-
Your call for All-PAC selections is heeded.

Here is the first list:

A pair of first team locks:
Shawell-Alvernia He's just good, and he plays on the top team.
R. Johnson-Wesley: Might be the most dynamic offensive player since Willie Chandler, but I put him behind Shawell in POTY voting because Wesley is underachieving overall.

Two who I think are close to locks:
Boettcher- Arcadia  Double double machine. Arcadia would have to fall off the map for him not to make second team, but I think he will make the first team.
Smith- GMC he has to finish strong, because he was invisible to start, but he is a game changer.

Those four I feel are pretty well cemented in the first team-- One of the following will make the 1st team based on his team's finish. I am putting them in order now, but that could all change  tomorrow.

Etzel- Alvernia. If the Vern doesn't lose the rest of the way, I think they get two first teamers. Etzel is a great competitor and a super shooter.

Johnson-Eastern. It would be a huge upset to see a guy with single figure scoring on the first team, but he leads the league in blocks, is second in assists, first in defensive rebounds, top five in steals, and top ten in field goal percentage. The blocks and assists thing is interesting enough, but the rebounding  and steals make it even more so.

Finger- Alvernia. He is a shoe in for second team and can only make the first team if Etzel struggles down the stretch and Alvernia doesn't. He doesn't turn the ball over and he doesn't miss any shots.

Finklea- Immaculata. The Macs have to finish in the top four, for him to get first team honors, but if they do, I think he will.

Patrick- Neumann. Before tonight I would have thought he was a lock to make the first team, but he did not produce like an all-league performer in a game of pretty significant consequence this evening. Nonetheless, he is a great offensive talent.

DiMaria- Eastern's leading scorer and only senior could sneak into the top five if the Eagles finish top three and the voters refuse to put Johnson on the first team.

Standing at the door looking in: These guys all have a shot at second team.

Baumunk- College Misericordia- He will make it if the Cougars can sneak into the playoffs. Otherwise it will probably be honorable mention.

Jones - Immaculata -- He's put together some great games. Will probably need to have at least two more really big nights to make it.

Volpe- Eastern-- The junior point guard has taken over a greater responsibility for scoring the ball, but it's not likely that the Eagles will get three.

DJ Fritz-- Neumann. Great scorer, but he's in his first year and is the second name on the Knights.

Two on the outside-

Randy Reid and Adam Wildasin will in all likelihood get shut out. They both put up very good numbers, but when the numbers don't lead to wins, they are unlikely to get awards.

POTY Shawell-- He does so many things well, and his competitve fire is obvious. He is probably not the best offensive player in the league (Johnson from Wesley), but he is very complete and he can drop 34 on you if the need arises.
ROY- King from Alvernia-- I'm not sure there is another freshman who starts and makes a measurable contribution.

COY- Still too soon to tell. There are a couple names eliminated, but there are a lot of names still in the running as well. I'd like to see lists from all the usual suspects here pretty soon.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2007, 05:05:48 AM
Quote from: East Coast Eagle on February 02, 2007, 12:36:44 AM
Anyone at Cabrini tonight? Rumor has it the SID at Cabrini was shown the door, Jon do you have any inside SID info?

I can't remember the last time we got word one from Elliot Tannebaum.

He's "worked" at three Division III schools in the D3hoops.com era. I have a name for him that is less than complimentary and rhymes a little.

I do know there was a sudden change at Cabrini. I don't know what prompted it.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 02, 2007, 08:12:30 AM
chair,

Nice list of analysis.  I'll be interested to see if the voters toss a little more love to Randy Reid.  I'm quite certain that most coaches would take that level of talent on their team.  I think more than any other sport in the conference, coaches vote for basketball based on more than just the numbers.

Last night at Cabrini Reid and MacLelland both had big nights.  MacLelland had eight of his 12 rebounds on the offensive glass.  The Crusaders put together a couple streaks when they needed them and hit nine free throws in the final minute of the game.  A big 17-3 run early gave Alvernia the led for good.  Etzel and Shawell both shot well and the team got productive minutes from Marcel Roane with Bradley in foul trouble.

http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/1/29/0607%20PAC%20MB%20Matrix.pdf (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/1/29/0607%20PAC%20MB%20Matrix.pdf)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 02, 2007, 08:18:21 AM
Chairman, I also liked your list.  Sounds pretty realistic to what the coaches might be voting.

Here's a thought:  if Cabrini's coach gets the boot, do any underclassmen get picked up by other schools?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Chris Panter, GMC SID on February 02, 2007, 11:40:39 AM
Quote from: chairman on February 02, 2007, 02:34:44 AM
Jon-
Your call for All-PAC selections is heeded.

Here is the first list:

A pair of first team locks:
Shawell-Alvernia He's just good, and he plays on the top team.
R. Johnson-Wesley: Might be the most dynamic offensive player since Willie Chandler, but I put him behind Shawell in POTY voting because Wesley is underachieving overall.

Two who I think are close to locks:
Boettcher- Arcadia  Double double machine. Arcadia would have to fall off the map for him not to make second team, but I think he will make the first team.
Smith- GMC he has to finish strong, because he was invisible to start, but he is a game changer.

Those four I feel are pretty well cemented in the first team-- One of the following will make the 1st team based on his team's finish. I am putting them in order now, but that could all change  tomorrow.

Etzel- Alvernia. If the Vern doesn't lose the rest of the way, I think they get two first teamers. Etzel is a great competitor and a super shooter.

Johnson-Eastern. It would be a huge upset to see a guy with single figure scoring on the first team, but he leads the league in blocks, is second in assists, first in defensive rebounds, top five in steals, and top ten in field goal percentage. The blocks and assists thing is interesting enough, but the rebounding  and steals make it even more so.

Finger- Alvernia. He is a shoe in for second team and can only make the first team if Etzel struggles down the stretch and Alvernia doesn't. He doesn't turn the ball over and he doesn't miss any shots.

Finklea- Immaculata. The Macs have to finish in the top four, for him to get first team honors, but if they do, I think he will.

Patrick- Neumann. Before tonight I would have thought he was a lock to make the first team, but he did not produce like an all-league performer in a game of pretty significant consequence this evening. Nonetheless, he is a great offensive talent.

DiMaria- Eastern's leading scorer and only senior could sneak into the top five if the Eagles finish top three and the voters refuse to put Johnson on the first team.

Standing at the door looking in: These guys all have a shot at second team.

Baumunk- College Misericordia- He will make it if the Cougars can sneak into the playoffs. Otherwise it will probably be honorable mention.

Jones - Immaculata -- He's put together some great games. Will probably need to have at least two more really big nights to make it.

Volpe- Eastern-- The junior point guard has taken over a greater responsibility for scoring the ball, but it's not likely that the Eagles will get three.

DJ Fritz-- Neumann. Great scorer, but he's in his first year and is the second name on the Knights.

Two on the outside-

Randy Reid and Adam Wildasin will in all likelihood get shut out. They both put up very good numbers, but when the numbers don't lead to wins, they are unlikely to get awards.

POTY Shawell-- He does so many things well, and his competitve fire is obvious. He is probably not the best offensive player in the league (Johnson from Wesley), but he is very complete and he can drop 34 on you if the need arises.
ROY- King from Alvernia-- I'm not sure there is another freshman who starts and makes a measurable contribution.

COY- Still too soon to tell. There are a couple names eliminated, but there are a lot of names still in the running as well. I'd like to see lists from all the usual suspects here pretty soon.


We don't get any love?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach P on February 02, 2007, 12:05:15 PM
Chris, you have an "almost" lock on first team.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 02, 2007, 12:19:52 PM
CP, you can't use a 5-word rebuttal for a 600-word quote...it just looks disproportionate.  You do, however, raise a good point.  The Chair gave mention to Smith, which is deserved, but he left out DelBrocco, the only player in the top 10 in scoring in the league to not get any mention.  After seeing him play for four years, I'm pretty sure I would take him in front of most of the players mentioned.

Quote from: chairman on February 02, 2007, 02:34:44 AM
Johnson-Eastern. It would be a huge upset to see a guy with single figure scoring on the first team, but he leads the league in blocks, is second in assists, first in defensive rebounds, top five in steals, and top ten in field goal percentage. The blocks and assists thing is interesting enough, but the rebounding  and steals make it even more so.

I'm not sure I buy into this line of support for Johnson on the first team...he put up rather pedestrian numbers at The Vern.  I'll grant him the blocks and assists, but I'd rather have a guy doing as much work on the offensive glass to keep possessions alive.  I wish I wasn't working on most PAC game nights so I could see the candidates play a little more.  I'm still holding out for that ESPNU contract.

I think you may also be surprised at the support Adam Wildasin gets come voting time.  I've heard more than one league source speak very highly of him.  His offensive abililty certainly put him in the league's top 10.

Okay, I'm gonna crank out some actually work for a bit here, but I will likely return to this topic.  I've working on how to properly celebrate post #100.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2007, 12:39:23 PM
Best attendance board.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 02, 2007, 01:24:30 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 01, 2007, 11:52:40 PM
I'm sitting here looking at the PAC standings after tonight's results, and I'm thinking that Neumann might be in a lot of trouble.  They've got 3 consecutive away games, at places that aren't easy to win:  Alvernia, GMC, and Misericordia (is that 6 players on the court or is one of those guys just a ref?).  I think they might find themselves at 8-8 with a home game against Cabrini, and you know Macciocca is going to have fun being a giant killer in his last few hurrahs as a PAC coach.  Then, they play Immaculata, who is going to need every win they can get (like a few others including EU), to get in the tourney.

I could be wrong, but I think Neumann is on a downward slope.

Marywood and Cabrini - their only fun now is in giving losses to unsuspecting teams or those on the bubble.  And I don't blame them.

Arcadia looks to slip into 5th or 6th seed, with a relatively (and I stress RELATIVELY) less difficult conference schedule left.

I think Wesley will be out, but just barely.

The bubble is probably Neumann, Misericordia, and Immaculata.  They are all playing each other, so it will be some fun ball the next two weeks in conference.

And now I submit this to the critics.

Interesting.....as usual.

I was surprised that Neumann didn't give a better effort but not on the outcome.

Chiz, you have any first hand info regarding the Cabrini coach?  Seems like you know something noone else does.

What happened in the Misericordia game for the officiating to be called into question?

As a side note, I've seen alot of games from the MAC this year, those teams are tough.  I think Alvernia would be the only PAC team to contend in the Freedom Conference.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Chris Panter, GMC SID on February 02, 2007, 01:37:11 PM
oh it's just some teasing...I'm sure he just slipped your mind

Actually, I was debating whether or not to quote the entire potential all-league picks in my reply
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 02, 2007, 04:03:38 PM
Chris,
DelBrocco did slip my mind. 2:30 in the morning and all. I think he is safely second team. I think Etzel and Finger get the nod as more complete packages, but Chris did a very nice job moving the ball and creating shots for teammates in the first game I saw him play.

John-- From having seen him over the course of the year, I can tell you that the game at the Vern was without question Johnson's worst of the year. I think you would be impressed with he things he does at the offensive end of the floor as well as his ability to create with defense. He's probably on the outside looking in at a first team spot (although if the Eagles get to second or third, he would have to get some pretty serious consideration). Is there a Defensive player of the year award in the PAC? We can have a 517 person all-Academic team for the fall, but we don't have awards for defensive player of the year for Soccer, field hockey, Basketball, or Lacrosse. Maybe something for the SID's to push for.

As for the Widasin campaign, I think that he is probably too limited in other areas of the game (10 turnovers at EU) to get more than an honorable mention nod, but I have only seen him play twice.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 02, 2007, 11:34:38 PM
chair,

2:30 a.m. posting speaks to either serious dedication to the PAC or insomnia.  DelBrocco always gets our best defender when we face the Griffins...I think those kinds of coaching moves speak volumes to a team's respect for an opponent.

I could give Johnson (EU version) another look...having watched what the Crusaders roll out on offense every night I'm a bit spoiled as far as offensive Division 3 players go.  Opponents would never pick Etzel out of our lineup during warm ups, but he's been sneaky deadly.  Shawell probably sticks out a bit, and now that he's warmed up I think I'd like to see him against some of the non-conference regional competition.

How about the unofficial "PAC Chat Room Defensive Player of the Year."  We can accept votes from anyone with a valid posting ID and 10 or more PAC posts in a season.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 02, 2007, 11:48:40 PM
DelBrocco gets my vote

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 02, 2007, 11:57:59 PM
For defensive player of the year?


I would assume that you are just putting him up for an all conference spot, because while he is a deadly scorer, he is certainly not an upper echelon defender.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 03, 2007, 12:00:43 AM
Any idea what we are supposed to be looking for on the best attendance board? Also, just two teams with eight losses in Cabrini and the 'wood. Tomorrow might start to shed some light on things, but I think we need at least two and possibly three more league dates to know anything substantial. Wesley and Misericordia are probably the two teams that need to sweat tomorrow's game most. Getting to eight losses with four games left on the schedule really puts you behind the eightball.

Insomnia is the answer. I can't find any of my Economics textbooks from college.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach P on February 03, 2007, 12:39:53 AM
DelBrocco gets my vote as well. Second team looks appropriate.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 03, 2007, 11:42:44 AM
Quote from: chairman on February 03, 2007, 12:00:43 AM
Any idea what we are supposed to be looking for on the best attendance board? Also, just two teams with eight losses in Cabrini and the 'wood. Tomorrow might start to shed some light on things, but I think we need at least two and possibly three more league dates to know anything substantial. Wesley and Misericordia are probably the two teams that need to sweat tomorrow's game most. Getting to eight losses with four games left on the schedule really puts you behind the eightball.

Insomnia is the answer. I can't find any of my Economics textbooks from college.
Did they make you read textbooks at your college?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 03, 2007, 11:58:34 AM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on February 02, 2007, 01:24:30 PM

Interesting.....as usual.

I was surprised that Neumann didn't give a better effort but not on the outcome.

Chiz, you have any first hand info regarding the Cabrini coach?  Seems like you know something noone else does.

What happened in the Misericordia game for the officiating to be called into question?

As a side note, I've seen alot of games from the MAC this year, those teams are tough.  I think Alvernia would be the only PAC team to contend in the Freedom Conference.
Hoopz, first hand, no.  I am going to respect the rules here and not comment.  As it is, my original quote just looks like I am stating things for fun with no backup.  Let's leave it there.

Nothing happened in the Miseri game.  But, the joke is that when going to Marywood or Miseri, that the officials become a small part of the game, not just the adjudicators.  I have heard several coaches in the conference joke about this.  Although I wouldn't hold it against the aforementioned teams.  They are mostly innocent.

I'm not sure I agree with your statement about Alvernia being the only PAC team that could contend in the Freedom conference.  Miseri, a middle of the PAC team this year, lost by nine against MAC-F's #1 and by 8 against their #2.  Then, DeSales, their #3, barely beat Cabrini and lost to Miseri, then barely beat Immaculata.  None of these PAC teams are top 3, yet the Freedom had significant difficulty with them.  Unfortunately, we don't have any games between Freedom's top 3 and the PAC's top teams, so most of this is speculation.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 03, 2007, 12:11:30 PM
Today's picks:

Macs @ Miseri - Miseri by 4
Neumann @ the Vern - Crusaders by 9 (they're rolling now)
Marywood @ Cabrini - the hot dog guy only sells 2 dogs with stale buns - listen, even the player's mom's don't care about this game - but I'll pick Dzik's old team by 5
Arcadia @ Wesley - this one is the toughest for me today - Wesley by 4
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 03, 2007, 02:41:20 PM
Miseri by 7
The Vern by 17
Cavs by a trey
Wesley by 1

ANd yes.  My DelBrocco vote was for all-conference.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 03, 2007, 03:15:49 PM
EU beats Valley Forge by about a dozen.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 03, 2007, 04:00:55 PM
It was a bakers dozen. Ty Coleman explodes for 25 on just 13 shots. No trips to the foul line. Johnson had eight blocks in the game. Does anyone know if Dehran Patrick reads the board. From the first half of the Alvernia game it looks like he might. (I'm not really giving myself credit on that at all, it just looks like he is having a big time bounceback game.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 03, 2007, 04:48:52 PM
Patrick had a good bounceback game...he was en fuego in the first half, but the Crusaders had enough to win their 20th straight at home, 71-59.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 03, 2007, 06:16:05 PM
First off, I think we need to correct an oversight on the board and offer well-earned congratulations to Rashawn Johnson who picked up his 1000th point Monday night at Cabrini. To score that many points in that short of time frame is very impressive. (It feels like he scored like 600 of those against EU, but it turns out he just does that to everyone.) In other milestone news, Lenny DiMaria moved to 990 career points with an 18 point effort today, and will in all likelihood hit the 1000 point mark next week.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 03, 2007, 06:46:00 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 03, 2007, 06:16:05 PM
First off, I think we need to correct an oversight on the board and offer well-earned congratulations to Rashawn Johnson who picked up his 1000th point Monday night at Cabrini. To score that many points in that short of time frame is very impressive. (It feels like he scored like 600 of those against EU, but it turns out he just does that to everyone.) In other milestone news, Lenny DiMaria moved to 990 career points with an 18 point effort today, and will in all likelihood hit the 1000 point mark next week.
Chair, are you sure DiMaria isn't at 989?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 03, 2007, 06:49:20 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 03, 2007, 06:16:05 PM
First off, I think we need to correct an oversight on the board and offer well-earned congratulations to Rashawn Johnson who picked up his 1000th point Monday night at Cabrini. To score that many points in that short of time frame is very impressive. (It feels like he scored like 600 of those against EU, but it turns out he just does that to everyone.) In other milestone news, Lenny DiMaria moved to 990 career points with an 18 point effort today, and will in all likelihood hit the 1000 point mark next week.
Wow, is it 1000 already?  That's just amazing.  And he's only a sophomore.  It's only natural to wonder if he will break the 2000 point mark (of course, out of conference) by the time he graduates.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 03, 2007, 06:51:46 PM
Quote from: Jon on February 02, 2007, 11:34:38 PM
chair,

2:30 a.m. posting speaks to either serious dedication to the PAC or insomnia.  DelBrocco always gets our best defender when we face the Griffins...I think those kinds of coaching moves speak volumes to a team's respect for an opponent.

I could give Johnson (EU version) another look...having watched what the Crusaders roll out on offense every night I'm a bit spoiled as far as offensive Division 3 players go.  Opponents would never pick Etzel out of our lineup during warm ups, but he's been sneaky deadly.  Shawell probably sticks out a bit, and now that he's warmed up I think I'd like to see him against some of the non-conference regional competition.

How about the unofficial "PAC Chat Room Defensive Player of the Year."  We can accept votes from anyone with a valid posting ID and 10 or more PAC posts in a season.
Jon, I do think you should give M. Johnson another look.  He may not have the points, but that should not always be the factor.  His defense is extremely strong and look at his blocks, rebounds, and steals.  It takes all of those things to win, as you obviously know over in Alvernia.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 03, 2007, 07:55:06 PM
chizwiz you may be right on the total. either way, it looks like Monday night. Another win for CAbrini today. After seeing the second half of the Cabrini/ Marywood game today, I'm very comfortable with my original assessment. I think either would contribute to any PAC roster, but I think they both produce numbers that don't resemble what they would produce on a better team.
They should both be honorable mention picks, but in my opinion, and that's all it is, they are both outside the top eleven players in the league.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 03, 2007, 10:05:24 PM
Jon,

I took the liberty of using your matrix as a template to keep the women's playoff scenarios up-to-date.

It's posted on the PAC women's page - we'll see if anyone notices.

http://www.misericordia.edu/athletics/basketball-women/pacwbbstandings.pdf

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 04, 2007, 10:48:00 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 03, 2007, 10:05:24 PM
Jon,

I took the liberty of using your matrix as a template to keep the women's playoff scenarios up-to-date.

It's posted on the PAC women's page - we'll see if anyone notices.

http://www.misericordia.edu/athletics/basketball-women/pacwbbstandings.pdf


Thanks, Lefty.  I've been thinking about watching paint dry more often, so this women's basketball stuff might come in handy.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 04, 2007, 02:52:53 PM
Not quite the same drama on the women's side. The haves and have nots are pretty clearly defined over there. Chiz, if you got time to watch paint dry...
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 04, 2007, 04:09:07 PM
Three words:  Above the rim
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 04, 2007, 08:38:02 PM
Congratulations to Rashawn Johnson.  Sophomores scoring 1,000 points are few and far between.

According to my calculations, he did it in his 46th career game.

For reference, Willie Chandler did it in his 38th game on his way to 2,898 points - 2nd all-time in D-III.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 05, 2007, 10:46:43 AM
My picks for tonight:

Cabrini @ Arcadia - Arcadia by 6
Gwynedd @ Alvernia - Vern by 10 (I've got a good feeling about this)
Wesley @ Immaculata - Wesley by 5
Miseri @ Scarywood - the Wood by 2 (in a buzzer beater that should have buzzed much earlier)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 05, 2007, 11:07:35 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 03, 2007, 12:11:30 PM
Today's picks:

Macs @ Miseri - Miseri by 4
Neumann @ the Vern - Crusaders by 9 (they're rolling now)
Marywood @ Cabrini - the hot dog guy only sells 2 dogs with stale buns - listen, even the player's mom's don't care about this game - but I'll pick Dzik's old team by 5
Arcadia @ Wesley - this one is the toughest for me today - Wesley by 4
Coach C, you and I really missed the Immaculata/Miseri game on Saturday; I was a little surprised by your pick of the Vern by 17; the .Cabrini big win was a surprise; Wesley was close for both of us, butI hit it right on the button.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 05, 2007, 11:57:36 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 05, 2007, 10:46:43 AM
Miseri @ Scarywood - the Wood by 2 (in a buzzer beater that should have buzzed much earlier)

Wow...we pulled this parenthetical input from the "Can't Let It Go" file, right behind the cheating scorekeeper.

The matrix is finally updated online. http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/1/29/0607%20PAC%20MB%20Matrix.pdf (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/1/29/0607%20PAC%20MB%20Matrix.pdf)

Tonight's GMC @ The Vern game will have two online options.
Gamecast - http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/mbball/ (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/live/mbball/)
Live Audio - http://athletics.alvernia.edu/games.asx (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/games.asx)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 05, 2007, 04:25:51 PM
Cavs @ The Castle - Beavs by a dozen - Cabrini done winning for the year
GMC @ The Vern - The House is rocking for a 6 point Alvernia win
Wesley @ the Mighty Macs - Macs by 2
Miseri@ Da Wood - Miseri by 3
Rut-Cam @Eastern - The eagles by 10

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 05, 2007, 05:27:39 PM
Quote from: Coach C on February 05, 2007, 04:25:51 PM
Cavs @ The Castle - Beavs by a dozen - Cabrini done winning for the year
GMC @ The Vern - The House is rocking for a 6 point Alvernia win
Wesley @ the Mighty Macs - Macs by 2
Miseri@ Da Wood - Miseri by 3
Rut-Cam @Eastern - The eagles by 10

C

Thanks for the support against Rut-Cam.  The Scarlet Raptors have a horrible record at 5-16, but they recently beat Rutgers-Newark, a top NJAC team.  But my EU boys are peaking right now.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 05, 2007, 11:14:41 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 05, 2007, 10:46:43 AM
My picks for tonight:

Cabrini @ Arcadia - Arcadia by 6
Gwynedd @ Alvernia - Vern by 10 (I've got a good feeling about this)
Wesley @ Immaculata - Wesley by 5
Miseri @ Scarywood - the Wood by 2 (in a buzzer beater that should have buzzed much earlier)
Gwynedd came close!  Things are obviously a lot tighter at the top of the conference than I thought.

Here's how I see the PAC playoffs working out.  I have one major change to my previous predictions, too.  Alvernia gets the 1 spot.  I don't see them losing 3 of 4 games.  Easy pick.

Gwynedd gets the 2 spot.  They might lose 1 more, which would put them in a tie with EU (that's if EU wins out against Cabrini, Immaculata, AND Alvernia - very tough, obviously).  Even with a tie with EU, Gwynedd gets the nod for 2 because they beat Immaculata twice and EU has already lost to the Macs.  Immaculata being the next best team.

EU get the 3 spot.  The smart man would have EU beating Immaculata and Cabrini, and losing to Alvernia.  Although I would like to see a win against all three.  Let's say they do get all three - automatic 3 spot (no worse), even if Immaculata won the others, including against Alvernia.  With 7 losses total, EU still gets the tie-breaker by beating the Gwynedd once, as Immaculata lost to Gwynedd twice.

Immaculata - 4 spot.

Neumann - 5 spot.  Will probably not lose more than 2 games.  Gwynedd and maybe Immaculata.  However, the interesting thing is that if Neumann finishes with one more loss, at 11-7, they would only take the 4 spot if their loss was not to Immaculata at the last game (since Neumann already beat Alvernia).

Arcadia - 6 spot.  At the time of this posting, no score against Cabrini (Arcadia needs to get a better SID).  Assuming they win, they are one game in front of Miseri and Wesley, with these two teams having the tougher schedules.

Lots of speculation with 3-4 games left for each team.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 05, 2007, 11:16:02 PM
Jon, you guys were down by 1 with 33 seconds left?  What did Gwynedd run then?  Did they call timeout halfway into it?  Where was Smith?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 05, 2007, 11:19:19 PM
chiz, King's 3 at :33 sent us from down two to up one...GMC called two timeouts in the next possession...Johnson missed a corner jumper, Shawell rebounded, and was fouled with five to go, then Johnson missed from about 30 feet.

Smith was not in uniform tonight.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 05, 2007, 11:50:22 PM
I had heard that he had a badly sprained ankle, and was doubtful. That's a pretty game effort for a shorthanded Gwynedd side. That being said, it is a little shocking that a team with as much top-end talent as Alvernia needed the late heroics... (On a related note, King just sewed up rookie of the year with that shot) Looking at the box, it looked like Etzel and DelBrocco were going at it in a missing match. Very unusual to see those two misfiring on the same night. Were they matched up, or were there cross-matches or zones?

Chiz...you really missed the M'wood Miseri game badly. You had to know that no amount of home cooking could lift a Marywood team to the level where they were going to be able to deliver the knockout blow to Miseri. I suspect the Cougars will be very tough to beat until they lose there next one. They are in the corner, and I don't think they can win out, but I'm glad EU doesn't have to see them.

I looked out on the floor at the Rutgers Camden squad tonight and could not believe that there is a college team that doesn't start a guy over six feet. They listed one of the guys at 6'2, but he is 6'2 in the same way that Mike Johnson is 6-5... (hair teased and platform shoes) it looked like a soccer team. To make matters worse, they couldn't dribble. EU jumped out quickly, got DiMaria his 1000th point, a great accomplishment for a great kid, and then promptly slogged around for the last 26 minutes. Johnson was uninspired ( a couple nice passes and three blocks, but no real commitment to owning the game) Volpe was invisible, Malloy had seven good minutes in the second half, and Ty Coleman just defended and grabbed a seat. He scored 25 Saturday and didn't shoot on Monday.

All that to say that the Eagles had their worst performance in a week in a game where they could afford to do it. They need to bring more to the Cabrini game or an upset minded group could sneak one out in the rivalry game. I tend to think that we are more likely to see the team that pounded Neumann than the one that showed up tonight.

I'll be very interested to see the Arcadia score, but I am not holding out too much hope for the Cavs in that one. Congrats to Immac on a really big win. Coach of the Year picture remains fuzzy.

Over
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 06, 2007, 12:03:55 AM
The Griffins seemed to take turns stepping up for one another Monday night.  Talley gave us a few fits off the bench in the first half.  DelBrocco missed some decent looks in the first half with Finger doing a pretty good defensive job on other attempts.  He (DelBrocco) hit a few long 3s in the second half.  Santiago was as good as I've ever seen him for most of the night hitting an assortment of floaters and jumpers.  12-7-4 is a pretty good line for a point guard. 

Etzel was 3-for-8 in both halves, but hit a bit baseline jumper late.  Shawell threw up a few no-chance free throws in the second half, but also hit two when he needed to.  King looked like he was headed for a career night after the first five minutes, but needed the late 3 to reach double figures.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 06, 2007, 12:10:24 AM
The matrix is up to date and posted...
http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/1/29/0607%20PAC%20MB%20Matrix.pdf (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/1/29/0607%20PAC%20MB%20Matrix.pdf)

Had to hit the Cabrini site for the final score...not good when the score is more readily available from the visiting school which doesn't currently employ an SID.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 06, 2007, 01:12:48 AM
Arcadia 77-61

I'll take th 5 spot tonight.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 06, 2007, 02:08:30 PM
Well, it seems that either the Cabrini SID or the Arcadia SID (or both) have little interest in doing their jobs, as the score is currently not posted on this site.  I guess they have both been fired?  Maybe their AD's should have somebody else do it.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 06, 2007, 02:13:12 PM
I believe the Cabrini women's coach is acting SID there.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 06, 2007, 02:16:57 PM
chiz, this site is unfortunately not always a priority for schools.  The score was available last night on the Cabrini site by 11:00.  Sometimes you have to get a bit resourceful.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 06, 2007, 02:31:12 PM
plus she just got the job and maybe didnt have the login credentials to report a score yet.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 02:38:39 PM
Actually, they asked for and received the password a week ago, but I can understand why it might take a while to get into a new routine, especially reporting a score for a road game. You'd expect the home SID to post. A new SID wouldn't know which schools in their conference habitually do not report.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 06, 2007, 03:40:34 PM
Guess the other guy never got the password then  ;D
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 06, 2007, 04:44:22 PM
Understood.  Obviously Arcadia is not on the ball.  I will refer to the school's website in the future when it's not posted.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 06:50:02 PM
Quote from: Jon on February 06, 2007, 03:40:34 PM
Guess the other guy never got the password then  ;D

The departed guy? Let's just say I knew him when he worked at St. Mary's and Western Maryland as well so his lack of reporting did not surprise me.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 06, 2007, 07:42:00 PM
While I'm sure the other guy's lack of reporting is what made him the former Cabrini SID, I am sure that it was probably one of the contributing factors. The acting SID gets a pass on this one, whereas we cannot be sure what to do with Arcadia.

C- what is the 5 spot? Did I miss something? More importantly, did you see the game?

I sat down for twenty minutes last night and tried to  make heads or tails of the whole thing and am trying to figure out if it is possible for a ten win team to miss the playoffs this season. My brain cannot figure out a scenario where that would happen, but my gut tells me that it has to be possible. If it is , can anyone identify which team could miss with ten wins?

I am interested in determining whether a team can say they have secured a spot with ten wins. Right now, the Vern is the only team to have reached that point in the league (congrats on the cover piece Jon). It's funny, but you can see a lot of team's stuck at 10-8, but I think there would have to be some nine loss teams to make that happen.
If I'm Neumann, I 'm hoping for snow and trying to push the Misericordia trip back to after the Cougars have been eliminated by Alvernia. Not sure that's plausible, but the Knights have not been hot, and Misericordia will be tough to beat in an elimination game at Miseri. Not saying they can't or won't, but it could be tough. Perhaps made even moreso if Gwynedd hands the Knights their fourth straight.

If I knew how to do it, Jon I would double applaud your posts for the matrix (I should have taken the blue pill), and Chiz, you would get one of your Karma points back (not that it would help in any substantial measure) for your post season pick ems. Not sure they'll all come true, but some good analysis, (not to mention an unpacking of tiebreaker criteria.) Since I cannot figure out how to applaud or have not yet determined if I am allowed to, I issue these public (such as it is) words of affirmation.

Thursday night should be interesting. Pre-season favorite Wesley has to win three straight to get in. The road game in Glenside is a BIG obstacle.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 06, 2007, 07:49:18 PM
read the FAQ's 200 posts before you can smite.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 06, 2007, 07:49:41 PM
And 200before you can applaud
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 06, 2007, 07:52:24 PM
need to go with fewer 600 word posts. Stick to the 5 or six word reports.

Maybe I could beg a dispensation from on high in order to remain marginally salient.

Oh well. 102 more posts to go.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 06, 2007, 09:19:35 PM
5 spot = 5-0

Yes, I attended.

Yes, it was painful.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 06, 2007, 11:44:40 PM
Okay, Coach C.  I give up.  I'm completely missing this whole 5-0 thing.  Call me crazy, stupid, or just plain clueless (or all three), but give me a hint, please.

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to the end of Thursday night to see what happens to the conference standings.  I haven't really thought about the whole 10-win and not in thing specifically, but, WOW, that would suck.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 07, 2007, 12:39:20 AM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on November 10, 2006, 12:37:25 PM
Preseason rankings are out.

1. Wesley
2. Gwynedd-Mercy
3. Eastern
4. Alvernia
5. Arcadia
6. Neumann
7. Cabrini
8. Immaculata
9. Misericordia
10. Marywood

Anyone out there with any thoughts?
Just thought I would remind everyone of this ranking.  How things change . . .
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 07, 2007, 07:22:47 AM
C-- When you said I'll take the 5 spot, I thought you were implying that there was a small wager on the outcome of the Cabrini-Arcadia game. I was very confused on about three counts. First- I know you are too much of a purist to bet on DIII hoops. Second- I knew that you were smart enough to realize that if you were betting on DIII basketball that you wouldn't admit to it online, much less on this forum. And finally, who would take the other side of that bet?

Congrats on a good night of pick ems. The only surprise in the bunch was the Wesley-Immaculata score, and even that is only surprising because of the dramatically different common results against Cabrini. Immaculata has a couple guys who can keep Johnson on the perimeter, and that means it comes down the other Wesley scorers and Rashawn's three point shooting, which comes and goes in spurts. A cold night and the Wolverines are in trouble.

Wesley needs to win out or get help. The preseason rankings show about how much everyone knows. Hard to believe that Alvernia slipped under the radar by that much. But I guess a POTY candidate from out of thin air (Rutgers Football) and a ROTY candidate who has done very well, combined with steady performances from experienced guards is a way to make a run at another title. I can't blame the voters for not seeing the Immac thing coming. Chadwin's charges are at least a year ahead of schedule.

Thursday night WILL tell us a lot.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 07, 2007, 07:38:14 AM
I'm still surprised by the pre-season rankings right now, wondering what the coaches were thinking with Wesley at 1 and Alvernia at 4.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 07, 2007, 08:13:18 AM
I added a column for preseason rankings to the Matrix for the sake of comparison.  Maybe after Thursday if things clear up a bit we'll start adding some playoff scenerios to the notes section.

http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/1/29/0607%20PAC%20MB%20Matrix.pdf (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/1/29/0607%20PAC%20MB%20Matrix.pdf)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 07, 2007, 01:13:14 PM
Chiz-

While I agree it is a big miss, it is not had to see how they missed it. Alvernia returned one starter from last year's team and a good role player in Finger (I would say the first big miss is that probably most people thought that Finger had serious limitations and that is why he is a role player rather than realizing that the kid is a really good player who understood what role he needed to play on a given team.)

Even if the PAC coaches knew about Shawell, and I'm sure some did and some didn't, he would, having not played competitive basketball in a year and a half, at best be an unknown commodity. The emergence of a whole new crop of complimentary players is always to be expected, but to add a rookie of the year candidate and a player of the year candidate in the same season is 40% of a starting line up. Everyone knew Etzel was good, but I think they would be right to disbelieve that he woudl flourish as a the #1 option in an offense without a couple 1a's.

Have to look at the Wesley pick as a "it's got to be someone pick" anyways. They returned the most talented offensive player in the league and looked like they would be able to run and score with the best teams out there. I am sure that no coach saw Wesley running away with the league, but you have to put someone there. That being said, I think that the inconsistency of the Wolverines has really been a dissappointment to their fans and coaching staff on the year. I posited earlier in the year that they would struggle in closely officiated games, and I would imagine there is some truth to that, I also think their offensive abilities are not always enough to overcome their defensive liabilities. Talentwise, it would be tough to pick them outside the top four.

The big surprise of the year is Immaculata. Their non-conference losses against high quality teams seems to have toughened them for the rigors of Conference play, and the year of maturity and added depth of a second recruiting calss has the Mighty Macs positioning themselves for a run at the top four.

Post # 100 Nice to see Me and Lenny D reach milestones in the same week.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 07, 2007, 09:44:24 PM
chairman, that makes sense.  I didn't mean that I think the coaches made mistakes or were not thinking.  I just don't know what they WERE thinking.  Your explanation makes enough sense that I can see many of them thinking that.  Plus, pre-season is only that.  It's actually kind of a smoke screen, in my opinion.  Many times I think it provides the impetus for teams that want to be ranked 1 and too much confidence for the 1 and 2 - ranked teams.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 07, 2007, 09:45:37 PM
8 days left and counting . . .
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 07, 2007, 09:45:53 PM
until . . .
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 07, 2007, 09:46:17 PM
the end of the regular season . . .
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 07, 2007, 09:46:36 PM
if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 08, 2007, 10:57:46 PM
The Matrix is posted with results through Thursday evening.  Alvernia clinched the top seed in the playoffs with its 13th conference win on Thursday.  2-6 is still so completely up in the air that I'm not going to go into scenerios at this point.  Maybe Saturday will clear a few things up.

http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/1/29/0607%20PAC%20MB%20Matrix.pdf (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/1/29/0607%20PAC%20MB%20Matrix.pdf)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 08, 2007, 11:14:50 PM
Eastern took advantage of a two for sixteen effort from the line by the Cavaliers tonight. the game was close for a quick couple seconds in the second half, but the Eagles executed just well enough to keep the game safe.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 08, 2007, 11:38:12 PM
I just figured out that EU has just clinched a spot in the tourney.  I challenge anyone to prove me wrong.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 08, 2007, 11:42:59 PM
Jon, I know a win is a win, but did somebody put smaller baskets just on the Crusaders' side tonight, then switching it at half?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 08, 2007, 11:45:27 PM
Hey, Chair.  That recruiting event in Lansdale?  Is it March 19?  Or is it June 19?  Your writing looked funny.  6-19-2007?  I lost your mailing address.  Please get back to me.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 08, 2007, 11:46:13 PM
Oh, never mind, I think it was March 22.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 08, 2007, 11:50:25 PM
What the heck happened to Gwynedd tonight?  Anyone?  Not that I'm complaining.  This actually gives EU a chance to take the 2nd spot by winning out against Immaculata AND Alvernia.  Not that either are a cake-walk.  A man can hope.

I have faith.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 08, 2007, 11:53:07 PM
The EU SID is obviously on a bit of a vacation with no game summary posted anywhere as of yet, much less a box score on any web site.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 09, 2007, 12:17:30 AM
Chiz-

If you post 11 times ona single page, try to bring something to the table. I understand the urgency to get to 200 posts, but there should be some information there.

The EU Cabrini game was an interesting one for sure. Both teams had some very curious turnovers, and the Cavaliers were dreadful from behind the arc and the from the foul line. The word on the box score is that the Eastern SID is going to have to take the game off video tape tomorrow. Cabrini student workers did it, but there were significant issues. The official box had Johnson with 0 blocked shots... He had at least four where the ball hit the floor on the block and the Eastern team with 4 assists. Needless to say, there is very little chance that a team that averages assists on 65% of their baskets is going to finish the game with four.

A brief sum up from memory has Malloy playing very well. 18 and 9 officially and Johnson had 12 and 9 and however many blocks and assists he didn't get credit for-- It would not be surprising if both he and Malloy move into double doubles by the time things get counted.  Reid was the Cavaliers best weapon inside, but he went 1-8 from the foul line and missed too many bunnies inside. (His rebounding numbers are padded by a couple miss-miss-misses.

The Cavs scored 8 straight after half, and the Eagles answered with a huge three by Flanagan in the corner and a pair of Baskets from Coleman.

When You wake up tomorrow afternoon there will certainly be a game story up on the Eastern website.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 09, 2007, 06:41:47 AM
Why is there urgency to get to 200 posts?  Also, I put information there that no one else has - EU's clinching of a playoff spot.  Technically, your information is false if you ask the four student workers at Cabrini.   ;)

Who sleeps in until tomorrow afternoon?  I have appointments at 7:30am.  And I stopped working at 10pm last night.  You do the math.  It must be nice working for a company that guarantees a paycheck without needing to bring in sales or guarantee service.  Just tongue in cheek.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 09, 2007, 06:43:55 AM
Cabrini, we all know you don't care about basketball anymore.  But, please, let's get some people to do the job of the SID who do care.  What a shame you guys are.

I feel bad for all the Cabrini alum who have pride in their old memories of greatness.

By the way, is the president still shopping the idea of selling Cabrini's property to the highest bidder in order to keep from going broke?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 09, 2007, 01:16:05 PM
Lets talk Freshman of the Year.

The only name I've heard is King from Alvernia - haven't seen him.
I did see a couple of Diaper Dandies however.

In no particular order:
Matt Johnson - GMC - Gonna be really good with more time.  Might be better than the starter right now.

Marcus Little - Misericordia - I saw him over the holidays and he looked terrific.  Might end be better than his brother who was a first team all conference player.

Nasheed Linton - Neumann - Saw him against E-town early in the year.  Solid player with excellent quickness.  Gets others involved.

James Stratton - Wesley - Silky and smooth.  Playing with Johnson limits his touches but I thought this kid has a chance to be nice.

Who am I missing?  Haven't seen many PAC teams.  I was really impressed with the Little kid.
Coincidentally, all these kids are guards.  Where's all the bigs???  Maybe in the MAC.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 09, 2007, 10:31:49 PM
hoopz, my vote is for King.  I've seen him and don't think many stand out.

In that group of "other rookies to watch" is Reels from EU.  Not a candidate for ROY, but is going to be really good.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 09, 2007, 11:19:41 PM
wiz-

A couple real logical reasons why most of the guys on your list are guards. First, the league is a guard dominated league. Many teams in the league play three guards at a time, and several teams play without a traditional post player. Malloy and Johnson for Eastern for example are both 6'4, and are effective interior players.

The real reason is that the league is good enough that teams cannot, night in and night out, play big guys who are not ready to play. Big guys who are ready to play are playing DII or in more established DIII programs. Most of the big players in the PAC need  a year or two of experience (oftentimes in practice) to where they can defend and provide an offensive presence in a big game. I would imagine this phenomena runs through much of DIII. There seem to be very few freshmen big guys who are ready to dominate right away. I can think of a couple, Kolmodin at Wheaton and Freeman at Illinois Wesleyan, but I'm not sure Gaye was a dominating presence as a freshman. It is more typical for a 6 foot or 6'1 guy to have the skills and quickness to adjust to the speed of the game. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

King is not a small kid, and while he can disappear at times, he has hit big shots, starts on the top team, and is not mystified by life at the defensive end of the floor. Rookie of the year is a funny award anyways. More often than not, and this year appears to be not, the award goes to a player who comes to a middle of the pack team where minutes are plentiful and is able to make the most of it.

Chiz you are right about Reels, he will get more consistency with seasoning and could develop into a 15+ ppg scorer with a good upside at the defensive end. My vote for the award this year has to go to King.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2007, 01:35:28 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 09, 2007, 06:43:55 AM
Cabrini, we all know you don't care about basketball anymore.  But, please, let's get some people to do the job of the SID who do care. 

For all Cabrini's problems, self-inflicted as they are, I think it's appropriate to recognize that you can't just find a full-time interim SID at the drop of a hat.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 10, 2007, 12:14:26 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 09, 2007, 06:43:55 AM
Cabrini, we all know you don't care about basketball anymore.  But, please, let's get some people to do the job of the SID who do care.  What a shame you guys are.

I feel bad for all the Cabrini alum who have pride in their old memories of greatness.

By the way, is the president still shopping the idea of selling Cabrini's property to the highest bidder in order to keep from going broke?

I feel really really bad too!  It's their problem now.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 10, 2007, 12:16:44 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2007, 01:35:28 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 09, 2007, 06:43:55 AM
Cabrini, we all know you don't care about basketball anymore.  But, please, let's get some people to do the job of the SID who do care. 

For all Cabrini's problems, self-inflicted as they are, I think it's appropriate to recognize that you can't just find a full-time interim SID at the drop of a hat.


I still don't think the administration recognizes there is a problem at Cabrini.

Is it true the school is expanding?   Or... is it true the propaganda has it that the school is expanding?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 10, 2007, 05:26:23 PM
Misericordia, Alvernia and Cabrini all win. ARcadia is down by 11 with 12 to play. Things ae really getting interesting.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 10, 2007, 05:43:31 PM
Griffins by four with four to play huge foul trouble for gwynedd
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 10, 2007, 05:50:30 PM
Keep 'em coming.  Etzel was pretty good on Saturday with a few effortless efforts from well beyond the arc and the typical Finger line of 8-6-6.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 10, 2007, 06:02:27 PM
Yo Chair!  Where did you go with the updates...keep 'em coming, we got QOWI riding on this!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 10, 2007, 06:40:05 PM
Sorry,

I  thought I posted my last one as it went final. Guess the internet on the phone thing is a little tougher to manage than I know. Really interesting game in Glenside today. Gwynedd got points off a couple technicals in the first half, and was in serious foul trouble throughout. I thiink they fouled out four or five players, but Arcadia really struggled from behind the arc and at the foul line. This locks Gwynedd and Eastern into the playoffs and has Wesley, Mis, Immac, Neumann, and Arcadia fighting it out for the last three. At this point it looks like the sixth team will be a 9-9 team. Can't wait to see the Matrix.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 11, 2007, 07:59:39 PM
Matrix is finally up to date.  Upon first look there were still seven teams that could reach 10 wins, but with Wesley and Misericordia having eight losses and playing each other on the final day of the season, that does put 10-win teams in the playoffs at this point.

http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/1/29/0607%20PAC%20MB%20Matrix.pdf (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/1/29/0607%20PAC%20MB%20Matrix.pdf)

I'll update again tomorrow night as soon as I have rounded up all scores.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 12, 2007, 07:16:28 AM
It looks to me like Miseri is out.  They host Alvernia and then are at Wesley.  2 losses puts them at 8-10.

The interesting game here is Gwynedd @ Wesley.  A win by Wesley and a win out by EU gives EU the bye for the PAC tourney.  This continues to be very interesting.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 12, 2007, 05:57:47 PM
Games tonight - here's my take:

GMC @ Wesley - Tough place to play, both teams with something to play for, Wesley has best player, Gwynedd has more players.  Griffs by 5.

Cabrini @ Neumann - Cavs with a chance for two in a row, not gonna happen, too many athletes in the home whites.  Neumann by a bakers' dozen.

Eastern @ Immac - Most intriguing game, home team coming off a tough loss, Eagles staring at home court for the playoffs, Macs by 1 in OT.

Alvernia @ Miseri - Alvernia has the home court rapped up, playing for a possible at-large NCAA bid should they be upset in the playoffs, "The Vern" by 8.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 12, 2007, 11:37:14 PM
http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/1/29/0607%20PAC%20MB%20Matrix.pdf (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/1/29/0607%20PAC%20MB%20Matrix.pdf)

It's all up to date through Monday.  Here's how I see for the next few days provided the only snow of the year doesn't completely mess us up.  With second place on the line I don't see how GMC loses at home to Cabrini.

Eastern needs a win and a Neumann win for third place, otherwise it's fourth for the Eagles.  Either way they're looking at a first round home game.  (Remember this is all contingent on a GMC victory). 

An IU win puts the Macs in third place.  A loss and an EU loss still puts IU in third, but a loss and and EU win drops IU down to fifth behind Neumann.

The final spot is still a little too grey to get into short of me going into some sort of chizwizzian posting streak.  Neumann looks pretty good in just about every tiebreaker, and Misericordia needs help from Marywood even if it wins in Dover on Thursday, but Arcadia needs help from Misericordia.  Feels like and Excel formula error for circular reference.

Feel free to rework the matrix as many ways as you like between now and Thursday.

Happy Posting.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: D3fan14 on February 13, 2007, 01:32:13 PM
All quiet on the PAC board front when Eastern is downed by 19 and Cabrini wins.

Good luck to all the teams duking it out for playoff advantages!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 13, 2007, 03:02:41 PM
It's good to see that the Cavs have  not been losing so long that their fans have forgotten how to gloat. Credit to Immac for a great shooting night. They hit tough shots and easy ones while only Johnson and Malloy couild shoot for the Eagles.
Finklea scored 9 of the Mighty Mac's first 14 points and was a big difference early. Snow in subuiuran Philly could lead to schedule changes as we try to unknot the mess that is 3-7 in the PAC.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 13, 2007, 03:16:17 PM
One other interesting note on last night's game. Williams hit a 70 footer as time expired in the first half. In replaying the shot in my head, something didn't seem quite right. Then I realized what it was. Williams, who is right-handed, fired the line drive baseball style shot with his left hand. Pretty impressive really. Too bad the Eagles could not build on that coming out, but worth noting either way.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 13, 2007, 10:54:37 PM
hoopz, I have to hand it to you.  I think your picks for last night were very intuitive (and interesting, at that).  I was unable to reach a computer, unfortunately.  My picks for tomorrow and Thursday will follow soon.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 13, 2007, 11:04:16 PM
I am completely confused by the possibilities of the PAC playoff spots right now.  Does anybody know the rule for a three way tie if EU, Neumann, and Immac finish with 10-8?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 13, 2007, 11:12:43 PM
My picks for the last game of the regular season:

Arcadia @ Marywood - Beaver College by 10.  Grundman's guys are planning for Spring Break already.
Cabrini @ Gwynedd - Cavs by - 11.
Immaculata @ Neumann - Macs by 5.  It would be just stupid to lose this one and give up the ability to host a PAC game.
Miseri @ Wesley - Wesley by 4.  Come on, it's a tough road trip from anywhere!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 14, 2007, 10:08:22 AM
Chiz, my picks weren't very accurate. Haven't seen enough PAC basketball I guess.
I like your picks for Thursday.  The Cabrini pick surprises me but I obviously no nothing.



Quote from: chizwiz on February 13, 2007, 11:12:43 PM
My picks for the last game of the regular season:

Arcadia @ Marywood - Beaver College by 10.  Grundman's guys are planning for Spring Break already.
Cabrini @ Gwynedd - Cavs by - 11.
Immaculata @ Neumann - Macs by 5.  It would be just stupid to lose this one and give up the ability to host a PAC game.
Miseri @ Wesley - Wesley by 4.  Come on, it's a tough road trip from anywhere!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 14, 2007, 01:06:28 PM
Snow and ice push the EU -ALvernia game back to Thursday night. Jon, will youi be on call to announce the pairings as results roll in? 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 14, 2007, 01:20:04 PM
I'll be around with the laptop to post seeings as they clear up, but obviously nothing is official until released from the conference office.

#1 Alvernia :)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 14, 2007, 10:00:56 PM
PAC Men's Basketball Matrix (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/1/29/0607%20PAC%20MB%20Matrix.pdf)

I've added some notes to the Matrix and highlighted teams who hold head-to-head tiebreakers over others where it matters.

Here are the notes as I am able to deduce...I'm pretty sure I played out all scenerios.

GMC will obviously clinch second place with a win, but would also do it with an Eastern loss.  A GMC loss and an Eastern win doesn't guarantee the Eagles second.  They still need Neumann to win to avoid a 3-way tie with GMC and Immaculata.  That 3-way tie, at 11-7, goes (2) GMC, (3) Imm, (4) Eastern. 

If GMC loses, Eastern wins, and Neumann wins it goes (2) Eastern, (3) GMC, (4) Neumann, (5) Immaculata.  (***this is the only scenario of which I am unsure...I'm assuming you break the H2H tie between Neumann and Immaculata before using either one to break the Eastern/GMC tie***)

If Eastern and Immaculata are both alone at 11-7 it also goes (2) GMC, (3) Imm, (4) Eastern.  If Eastern and Immaculata are 10-8, that also means Neumann is 10-8.  That 3-way goes (3) Immaculata, (4) Eastern, (5) Neumann.

Okay, let's bring in the nine-loss teams...if Neumann loses and joins the nine-loss teams it is (6) if Misericordia beats Wesley and (5) in all other situations.  The Misericordia/Wesley winner is 9-9, the loser is out.  As indicated before, Neumann is (5) in any 3-way tie at 9-9.  3-way, 9-9 ties will all also include Arcadia.  If Wesley is involved it is (6) and Arcadia is out, if Misericordia is involved, Arcadia is (6) and Misericordia is out.

If Neumann wins and is out of the 9-9 mix the same holds as the above with Arcadia having the H2H over Misericordia and Wesley having the H2H over Arcadia.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 15, 2007, 06:45:49 AM
Hoopz, I meant negative 11, as in the other team wins.

Jon, great job again on your work-up of the possibilities.  Difficult to figure out, huh?

Do you think home court is really an advantage for the 3 and 4 seeds right now?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 15, 2007, 10:58:44 AM
I made an update to the scenario post from yesterday when I received information from one of my sources.  The 10-8, 3-way tie that features Immaculata (3-1 vs. other two), Eastern (2-2), and Neumann (1-3) will go in that order instead of what was posted yesterday.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 15, 2007, 09:08:44 PM
Wesley (75) in, Misericordia (65) out.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 15, 2007, 10:34:08 PM
PAC Men's Basketball Matrix (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/Pdfs/mbball/2007/1/29/0607%20PAC%20MB%20Matrix.pdf)

Scores are all posted on the scoreboard from tonight's action.  I have the PAC Championship as...

1. Alvernia (16-2)
2. Gwynedd-Mercy (12-6)
3. Immaculata (10-8)
4. Eastern (10-8)
5. Neumann (10-8)
6. Wesley (9-9)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 16, 2007, 12:57:14 AM
A question and two brief comments before bed.

Jon, as the man who knows where the PAC code is and how to read it, can you say with certainty whether men's basketball reseeds after the opening round? That is to say, if Wesley beats Immac to they win the Golden ticket to play at the PEC? Or is it automatically the Neumann vs Eastern winner?

Secondly, I want to congratulate Garrett Etzl on his 1000th point tonight. That is a very impressive accomplishment for a player to reach in three years. It's made more impressive by the limited number of shots it has taken him to get there.

Third, I request the opportunity to post my year-end all PAC team. I'll not give explanations on anything other than what needs it.

First team:
Finger, Etzl, Shawell, R. Johnson (Wesley), and Boettcher (kills me to put a kid on a non-playoff team on the first team, but he had the ability to dominate games, and you can't totally blame him when his teammates completely forgot to throw him the ball. He has flaws I'm sure, but I saw him seal guys completely in their home game against Gwynedd and watched as his teammates ignored the pin and chucked it up. I can't say how often that happened, but I would vernture a guess that it happened more than it should have.)

Second team:
Jones (Immac), Smith (GMC this is tough, because he has missed on the front and the back now.) Dehran Patrick, Finklea, and Johnson (EU)

Honorable Mention: DelBrocco, Reid, Wildasin, DiMaria, Baumunk

COY: Tough one here. Even though I think Miller has done a great job reloading his squad at the Vern, I think it has to go to Jamie Chadwin at Immac. To take a second year program to a top three seed is a very impressive feat.

Player of the year: Tonight sealed it for me, and it is an upset, but I think that no one at the Vern would question it. Finger takes it. More than anyone in the league, he controls the game. On the four or five critical possessions of the night tonight, after Alvernia struggled a bit, he took control of the basketball and got it to the right place. 16p,12r, 9a .... probably one of his better lines on the year, but I imagine every coach in the league save one will be thrilled to see him move on. He's solid on the defensive end, and is near the top of the league in shooting percentage. Alvernia is 16-2 in the league with the second place team quite a bit back. IMO it has to go to an Alvernia player. Early in the year I thought it was Shawell, and he is good-- a no doubt first teamer, but I am very comfortable with my pick on this one.

ROY: After tonight I haven't got a clue. Best freshman on the floor tonight was Reels, but he made 75% of his season highlight tape tonight, so he's not in the running. King looked very tentative down the stretch (that is to say like a freshman), and I am reopening the voting on this.

These are just my picks, and I would hope that the rest of you step up and post yours.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 16, 2007, 07:33:11 PM
A little surprised to see the literary equivalent to deadwood here on the PAC chat line. I thought I laid down the challenge to pick all league teams, and the only sound is the whistling wind.
I was also half expecting someone from across the street to post. Feel free to post all league tams or at least rip me to pieces for mine.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on February 16, 2007, 07:53:52 PM
I can't believe that no Cabrini fans have posted anything about the firing of the basketball coach.  This move, though it may be the right one, has just set recruiting back even further.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 16, 2007, 08:15:05 PM
heatlee-

Maybe folks are out recruiting to help whoever the new coach will be.

My thoughts on the subject are fairly well known.  This young man was put in a tough spot and he apparently wasn't ready.  he may be some day, but not right now.

The Cabrini program will recover.  They need to find the best available coach who can recognize the past program quaility while developing a foundation for the future.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 16, 2007, 08:31:33 PM
C,

As they say - "Never replace a legend."
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on February 16, 2007, 09:12:08 PM
What Cabrini needs to do is hire someone within the Cabrini family.  Someone like Pat Zipfel.  He's been a head coach at Bucks County, at Centenary College where he took that team to an ECAC berth, and he is currently an advanced scout for an NBA team. He could take Cbrini back to the top. That's who they should hire.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 16, 2007, 09:39:14 PM
Lee -

I'd agree that an alum or member of the Dzik era staffs would be a strong choice.  I am already hearing a few names, but I am not sure that Zip will be among them.  He's been pretty tough on the current AD and that might not put him in a good position to work for her.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: D3fan14 on February 16, 2007, 10:02:13 PM
Its a shame Macciocca never seemed to have a chance from the beginning.

What names are in the mix?

Word is, AD is a finalist at another college.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 16, 2007, 10:36:41 PM
Wow. Ask and you shall receive. Six posts in two hours on the news of the day.
I heard things in a very unofficial way and was trying to ascertain whether things were made public. I hope that Macciocca lands on his feet somewhere and is able to get a fresh start in a better situation. He came in to a really tough spot, and while he made things tough on himself with some of the ways he dealt with things and things he said, it is perfectly understandable why a young guy coming into that position would want to project absolute confidence rather than defer to the things which had already been built.

It will be interesting to see if Cabrini will bring in someone with historical ties to the Dzik era. It will be tough to do either way. Anyone with long standing loyalty will likely be seen as a threat to the current administration, and anyone without connection to the legend will likely be regarded with suspicion by the alums.

Any picks on the games tomorrow?

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: saratoga on February 16, 2007, 10:54:32 PM
Please bear with me PAC fans as I take a moment of your time on your board. The situation Cabrini currently finds itself in regard to firing their current coach after putting him in this job just two short but, seemingly long years ago was due to only one thing...your "current" President was unable to deal with the fact that a man the stature  of Coach Dzik may be looking over her shoulder & only because of her personal insecurities was he let go. Coach D & I met many years ago & at that time he mentioned how much he desired respect for this new conference and how he so much appreciated what Coach Bessoir had brought to the MAC & his wish was for the same fortunes for all PAC members. This man brought a purpose & a passion not only to the game...but more importantly, for the game and to his school. Cabrini is not a better place without Coach D...as a matter of fact, many in the world of academia would say Cabrini is currently aimlessly floating in that awkward space reserved for those special schools that may one day soon not see another entering freshman class. University's make changes all the time, it's when the changes made are for personal rather than professional growth...that the results can be devestating...Cabrini, under this current administration is on such a path.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: The Observation Deck on February 16, 2007, 11:06:31 PM
Quote from: D3fan14 on February 16, 2007, 10:02:13 PM
Its a shame Macciocca never seemed to have a chance from the beginning.

What names are in the mix?

Word is, AD is a finalist at another college.

Perhaps he shouldn't have come into the job badmouthing the previous coaching staff and running off their players. Just a thought.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 16, 2007, 11:17:51 PM
Saratoga -

Very well put.  You are always welcome on PAC Chat!

OD -

Yeah - Maccoccia made some mistakes.  Hopefully he learns from them.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on February 16, 2007, 11:36:15 PM
Yes he came into a tough situation.

He did have players when he got here, but they all transferred or quit.

That was his biggest mistake, letting all Dziks recriuts leave.

Imagine Fitzgerald, Daily, McMahon, Reid and Macelland as Cabrini's starting five this year. I think they would have a home game tomorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach P on February 16, 2007, 11:40:02 PM
Time and again during his high school years, Matt Macciocca would sneak into the old Founder's Hall gym at Cabrini for little pickup b-ball. More often than not, he'd be discovered and shown the door.


The stubborn kid from Radnor, Pa., just minutes from campus, would be back again the next day. And the day after.


"The outdoor courts in the area stunk back then, recalled Macciocca (pronounced Ma-CHUCK-a and mispronounced 742 assorted ways). "The cement was cracked, the rims were all bent. We needed somewhere to play. I tried to sneak into Cabrini dozens of times, maybe hundreds."


Thirteen years after Macciocca's last attempt at infiltration, Cabrini showed him the door one more time. The door to his new office.


On April 19, 2005, his 31st birthday, Macciocca became just the third head coach in the proud history of Cabrini men's basketball. The Cavaliers have won 15 conference titles in the past 26 years, including eight titles in the 14 years since they joined the Pennsylvania Athletic Conference (PAC).


Today Macciocca no longer has to sneak into the gym. He owns a shiny new key to the new arena in the Dixon Center. HIs mission: Restore Cabrini to the Division III elite status it enjoyed in the 1990s under longtime coach John Dzik.


In 2005-06 "Coach Chuck" took a small team with equally small expectations and went 11-14 (8-10 in the PAC), tying for the sixth and final playoff spot in a 10-team league. Only the arcane tie-breaker formula kept the Cavs out of the postseason. (That and a pair of two-point losses to the defending champs.)


Their trademark became the never-say-die comeback, including a rally from 25 down to beat Marywood and a surge from 24 down to overtake Misericordia -- both on the road.


If you're wondering if Matt Macciocca can get it done, consider this: Here's a guy who's faced far greater challenges than a mere 25-point deficit at Marywood. Here's a guy who's glared over at the opposition bench and seen one Mike Krzyzewski of Duke glaring back.


"I remember standing on the baseline at [Duke's] Cameron Indoor Stadium during warmups my first year as an assistant at Wake Forest," Macciocca said. "They were No. 3 in the nation and we were No. 4. Game was on ESPN and everything. I'm thinking, 'This crowd isn't so bad. We can handle this.'


"Then all of a sudden the PA booms out, "HERE...COMES...DUKE!" and the team takes the court and the energy from the crowd goes ballistic. I'm thinking, 'This is unreal. This is big-time.'"


In 13 years of college basketball leading up to Cabrini -- four as a player (at Allentown College, now DeSales University) and nine as an assistant coach (at Allentown, Wake Forest and Kings Point) -- Macciocca had been with one losing team (as a freshman), one .500 club (as a sophomore), and then 11 straight winners. Eight earned postseason bids, including four NCAA tournament berths and an NIT championship with Wake Forest in 2000.


Eleven winners in 11 years. That may have something to do with the dogged, aggressive attitude he perfected in high school, both in his adventures in Founder's Hall and in his all-star career at Radnor High. At Radnor he made all-Delaware County, all-Central League, all-Suburban and all-Main Line as a 6-2 small forward, averaging 17 points and seven rebounds.
Cabrini showed little interest in recruiting him, but Allentown went after him hard, so he packed his bags and embarked on a career as a role player who gave it all he had for the few minutes a night they untied his leash and sicced him on the opposition.


As a senior in 1995-96, Macciocca helped Allentown reach the PAC title game (losing to Cabrini) and earn what remains the only NCAA tournament bid in school history. In the NCAA loss to Wilkes, he drilled an inconsequential three-pointer at the buzzer and filed the moment away as a sweet final flourish to a basketball career that was about to become history.


Three months after graduating as a criminal justice major, Macciocca was slogging through the state-police exams in several states when the phone rang. It was Scott Coval, his coach at Allentown, wondering if he'd like to join the staff.


Coval admired the way a guy who played just a few meager minutes a game never hesitated to leave his blood, sweat and tears on the practice court every day for four uncomplaining years.


"A lot of the time my role in practice was to guard our best player and to physically abuse him -- get him used to it," Macciocca recalled. "I was very physical. I took so many charges in practices and games, not a day went by I wasn't bleeding somewhere -- nose, elbows, knees. There's nothing I wouldn't do to win."


Macciocca became a big winner on Sept. 18, 2004, when he married Susie Beers, a math teacher and assistant field hockey coach at the Springside School in Philadelphia's Chestnut Hill section. Macciocca shows up at Springside hockey games to lend moral support whenever he can. "As a coach," he declared, "it's a huge plus to have a wife who understands what you're going through."


Macciocca went through three good years on the Allentown staff (1996-99), helping the team make the ECAC tournament in 1998-99. Meanwhile he worked at several summer basketball camps run by Division I coaches and caught the eye of Wake Forest's Dave Odom, who brought him aboard for two head-spinning years (1999-2001) in the Atlantic Coast Conference, the Big Enchilada of college hoops.


Macciocca went from riding vans and buses at Allentown to boarding cushy charter flights at Wake Forest. For his first road trip, the team leased the Atlanta Hawks' private plane.  "Double-wide first-class seats," he marveled. "Big enough to lie down on. Fresh chocolate-chip cookies, baked right on board and still hot. Anything you wanted to drink, they had it. Anything. You wanted lemon-lime Gatorade, you got it."


The Demon Deacons went 22-14 in 1999-2000 and capped the season by knocking off Notre Dame in the NIT title game. The following year they went 21-11 but dropped a shocker to Butler in the first round of the NCAA tournament. Odom departed for South Carolina, and the new Wake coach brought in his own people.


Macciocca landed another assistant's job at Division III powerhouse Kings Point (the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy) under new head coach Chris Carideo. The Mariners won the Skyline Conference in his first two years and went 76-36 during his four-year stay (2001-05). They wound up losing in the NCAA first round to Cabrini in 2002 and in the second round to Ramapo in 2003.


"The thing I took away from Wake Forest," Macciocca declared, "is that everything you do, you do with a certain class. You don't just go out there and do the best you can. You go out there and strive for excellence. At Cabrini we have the potential to win a national title. That's what I want our guys to strive for in everything they do."


Nearly every basketball coach has title dreams, and nearly every coach falls short. But don't count out a guy who's finally clutching the key to the door he first tried to barge through all those years ago.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 16, 2007, 11:49:15 PM
Talent-wise, they could have been scouting the other two games to look at potential opponents, but in watching the whole thing unfold, it was apparent that his insecurity about replacing a legend led him to make more than a few ill-advised statements and to fail to publicly acknowledge the work Dzik did in building the program. I don't know that he got good advice from those who hired him on how to handle the situation. To step into the highest profile coaching position in the school and maybe the conference as his first head coaching job, and to have a situation where he had to either embrace his alumni or his administration put him in a real tough spot.

I can't speak to what happened to Daily, McMahon, and Fitzgerald, but I can say that the talent level in this year's freshman class at Cabrini didn't look great, and I am not sure that even with all the talent that he was ready to win the number of games that would have the Cavaliers in a top four spot.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 16, 2007, 11:54:24 PM
Ahhhhhh.... lemon-lime Gatorade.

P. I think your post might just be an ET special. Who can forget last year's Eastern-Cabrini game for senior night, when in the recognition of a player, they took a pot shot at Dzik and his staff over the PA. Something to the effect of "After languishing on the bench for three years..."

ET did the coach no favors. He needed a filter not a megaphone.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 17, 2007, 12:03:24 AM
Arcane tie-breaker
Quote from: Coach P on February 16, 2007, 11:40:02 PM

In 2005-06 "Coach Chuck" took a small team with equally small expectations and went 11-14 (8-10 in the PAC), tying for the sixth and final playoff spot in a 10-team league. Only the arcane tie-breaker formula kept the Cavs out of the postseason. (That and a pair of two-point losses to the defending champs.)


Their trademark became the never-say-die comeback, including a rally from 25 down to beat Marywood and a surge from 24 down to overtake Misericordia -- both on the road. 

"The thing I took away from Wake Forest," Macciocca declared, "is that everything you do, you do with a certain class. You don't just go out there and do the best you can. You go out there and strive for excellence. At Cabrini we have the potential to win a national title. That's what I want our guys to strive for in everything they do." .


I'm not sure that blaming the tie-breaker is really the way to go when you miss the playoffs with an 8-10 record. It kind of runs against the "in everything you do, you do it with a certain class..." idea.

Marty Shottenheimer is available.

Midnight tolls.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 17, 2007, 12:16:47 AM
chairman, quit blowing smoke up Macciocca's skirt.  This guy tried, but he failed.  We don't need to feel sorry for him or make excuses.  He had no clue how to handle his players, which is why they left him.  That had nothing to do with the situation he was in.  I hope, for the PAC's sake, that Cabrini can get a coach in who is going to win games.

He also couldn't coach, which became painfully obvious in his win/loss stats.  Maybe other coaches will learn from his bad example by treating their players without so many absolutes and without badmouthing predecessors and peers.  The PAC coaches know what I am talking about.

The ironic thing is that Cabrini just fired a guy who is as bad at what he does as they are.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 17, 2007, 12:20:29 AM
Quote from: heatlee on February 16, 2007, 09:12:08 PM
What Cabrini needs to do is hire someone within the Cabrini family.  Someone like Pat Zipfel.  He's been a head coach at Bucks County, at Centenary College where he took that team to an ECAC berth, and he is currently an advanced scout for an NBA team. He could take Cbrini back to the top. That's who they should hire.
Heatlee, there are plenty of good coaches out there, be they college or high school.  Getting one who is worth it to agree to work for Cabrini will be interesting.  My thought is that if he takes the job, he is either ignorant or just plain stupid.

But ignorance is bliss.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on February 17, 2007, 07:25:28 AM
If Cabrini wants the BEST candidate for this job it has to be Zipfel.  He has more experience than Dzik had when he got the job. He was a DI assistant, head coach at a JUCO, is an NBA advanced scout, and he was asuccessful D3 coach and athletic director.  You throw in the fact that he is from the Cabrini family and its a no brainer.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 17, 2007, 08:51:42 AM
Quote from: heatlee on February 17, 2007, 07:25:28 AM
If Cabrini wants the BEST candidate for this job it has to be Zipfel.  He has more experience than Dzik had when he got the job. He was a DI assistant, head coach at a JUCO, is an NBA advanced scout, and he was asuccessful D3 coach and athletic director.  You throw in the fact that he is from the Cabrini family and its a no brainer.

Wishful thinking, but it ain't gonna happen. 

NOT UNTIL SHE IS GONE........  THE BEST candidate for the job would be none other than John Dzik himself.    Nothing will happen like this until the current administration is gone.  Zipfel has a life and is loyal to Dzik.  You must be crazy if you think he would consider Cabrini.

Now.... wouldn't it be feasible if the president was out of here and the administration got cleaned up in time for the school's leading basketball scorer to be ready to take over as a coach.  After all, those PAC championships back to back to back to back under Dzik with Bill were no fluke and he played ball at a higher level as well.   Would he not command the respect of players as well as earn the advice from former staff with regards to recruiting?


NOTHING WILL HAPPEN UNTIL SHE IS GONE........   IF CABRINI DOESN'T SELL THE PLACE FIRST .

THE PLACE NEEDS TO CLEAN UP ITS ADMINISTRATION BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT SHE IS IN CHARGE AND ANSWERS TO NO ONE BUT HERSELF.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 17, 2007, 08:53:25 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 17, 2007, 12:20:29 AM
Quote from: heatlee on February 16, 2007, 09:12:08 PM
What Cabrini needs to do is hire someone within the Cabrini family.  Someone like Pat Zipfel.  He's been a head coach at Bucks County, at Centenary College where he took that team to an ECAC berth, and he is currently an advanced scout for an NBA team. He could take Cbrini back to the top. That's who they should hire.
Heatlee, there are plenty of good coaches out there, be they college or high school.  Getting one who is worth it to agree to work for Cabrini will be interesting.  My thought is that if he takes the job, he is either ignorant or just plain stupid.

But ignorance is bliss.

Chiz,


I think you understand whoever you are.........
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 17, 2007, 09:00:29 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 16, 2007, 10:54:32 PM
Please bear with me PAC fans as I take a moment of your time on your board. The situation Cabrini currently finds itself in regard to firing their current coach after putting him in this job just two short but, seemingly long years ago was due to only one thing...your "current" President was unable to deal with the fact that a man the stature  of Coach Dzik may be looking over her shoulder & only because of her personal insecurities was he let go. Coach D & I met many years ago & at that time he mentioned how much he desired respect for this new conference and how he so much appreciated what Coach Bessoir had brought to the MAC & his wish was for the same fortunes for all PAC members. This man brought a purpose & a passion not only to the game...but more importantly, for the game and to his school. Cabrini is not a better place without Coach D...as a matter of fact, many in the world of academia would say Cabrini is currently aimlessly floating in that awkward space reserved for those special schools that may one day soon not see another entering freshman class. University's make changes all the time, it's when the changes made are for personal rather than professional growth...that the results can be devestating...Cabrini, under this current administration is on such a path.


Obviously Saratoga,   the president and administration is stupid, selfish, and naive.  They are sinking the ship.   It is horrible how they brainwash those new kids who have no clue.    Money and literature is the only thing they are successful with in terms of selling their campus not our campus.

Get her out.       Afterall, Dzik only recruited hoodlums and thugs in their minds.  What a pity ! ! ! !  She needs a lesson on life besides ivory towers and egotistical publications of her accomplishments using others.

Sickening.  The Cavs are falling behind even more and there is not a basketball program as far as I am concerned.   When she leaves I will be back stronger than ever as well.  The alumni will win someday.

Pull her out with pliers! ! ! !


   
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 17, 2007, 09:04:58 AM

If Dzik was here.... Alvernia may not be gloating as well.  I am sick of hearing about them.   Back in the day Dzik had McCloskey's number and they could not beat us.  We spoiled their party every time.  In fact they were scared and intimidated by our fans and players.

How sickening ! !   Jon, you are OK though!!  Where is the passion of anyone left out there who can get her out of Cabrini.

Better do it fast before the ship totally sinks.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 17, 2007, 09:48:19 AM
A Few exerpts from the Cabrini web site...

"Dr. Iadarola is responsible for nearly $100 million in capital improvements, including the Dixon Center, a 64,000-square-foot sports and recreation center, boasting the 1,500-seat Nerney Field House and a six-lane competition pool; the Hamilton Family Communications Center, a fully digital networked facility housing the College newspaper, magazine, broadcast FM radio station and video studio; renovation and construction of four residence halls, including West Residence Hall, which opened in August 2006; and the newly renovated Edith Robb Dixon Field, with synthetic playing surface and lighting for night games."

....she has led Cabrini from a good college to one that is extraordinary."

Stunning really. Do they teach a class in credit-taking at Cabrini? If she thinks two bricks of the Dixon center would have been put together without the success Dzik brought to the basketball program....

Chiz, no smoke. Just feel bad for a guy who didn't have a chance to succeed. All of us make mistakes when we are young and would like to think we grow from them. His just lasted two years and is talked about on D3 hoops.com.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 17, 2007, 10:16:27 AM
The only new guys who contributed were actually walk-ons.  Had the Dzik-era kids stayed, this team had playoff ability.  Players always leave when there is a coaching change, but when the new guy publicly denigrates the legendary prior coach and rips his players, it generally hastens their exit.  And ultimately HIS exit.

I've said enough on this sorry chapter in the Cabrini basketball history.  Who is taking the PAC championship and Pool A bid this year?

C

ps - Coach P - pretending to be someone else, even if it's an INSANE stretch is a violation of the TOS I am pretty sure.  What was the point of posting the dead guy's bio?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on February 17, 2007, 06:01:25 PM
Wow,

Looks like Cabrini has been a hot topic as usual on the board. Any word on any of the on the court action? Wesley losing to the Mighty Macs puts a big exclamation point on a disappointing season for Wesley. Sent to the CAC with a disappointing basketball season.

Any word on game #2?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 17, 2007, 07:00:24 PM
K-
Eagles advance 77-67.

Huge game for Eastern's Matt Malloy. He hit just three field goals, but he scored 20 of his game high 22 in the second half and hit 15 straight foul shots in the second half to go with his 16 rebounds. Reels started for Coleman, who is 50-50 for Tuesday, and played well with 14 points. Eagles were 90% from the line. Johnson and Malloy were good on the boards, and DiMaria hit 9-10 from the line and hit some big shots from the field.

Eagles get their third shot at the Crusaders in a month.

One other note. Since no one else has posted a list for all- PAC, I am going to revise mine. Patrick is off the second team. He killed Neumann today. It was just that he shot 4 of 14, it was the overall demeanor of his terrible afternoon. Twice he slammed Eastern players into the scorers table, and he was constantly in his teammates faces after he would jack up and miss 24 footers. He was 0-3 from the line.

I'm unsure as to whether to push DelBrocco up, or just play with four on my second team, I think the other four would be better without him. Malloy looked like the returning veteran all-PAC player on the floor today.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 17, 2007, 10:25:22 PM
I'll be honest Chairman.  i would take DelBrocco on my team any day.  Makes no mistakes, understands what to do in the offense and plays good D.

Second team?  No doubt.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 17, 2007, 11:43:10 PM
C-

I've only seen him play three times this year. He hit a big shot to close the game after disappearing in the second half against Arcadia, and had mixed results against EU. He was better in the first game when he didn't score.

You might be overvaluing his prowess at the defensive end. He is clearly one of the top 10 offensive players in the league, I will give you that.

I'm not out to start an argument on this one, and I would probably give him the nod over the other four kids I originally put on the HM list.

Is the rest of my group correct, or do you have another take on it?

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach P on February 18, 2007, 01:27:06 AM
Coach C,  please give me reasons on how I am pretending to be someone else and how that violated the D3Hoops T.O.S? I am very interested to know. And I posted the former coaches bio because I thought it would be interesting to compare two years ago to now.

I would take DelBrocca as well; could very well be first team in my book.

Chadwin for coach of the year, 2nd round of playoffs in 2nd year as coach. Lets give credit where credit is deserved.

Also, I give the Cabrini administration credit (mainly the AD not President) for making the coaching move. They are trying to do the right thing and get the program back to where it was.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on February 18, 2007, 03:18:16 AM
This has been said over and over again but I feel the need to repeat: There is no absolutely no way the cabrini 05-06 team should not have at least made the playoffs when looking at the players and talent on that team.  Maccoica was very inexperienced going into this job but lets hope he learned his lesson  and realizes his mistakes. 

On another note is there the possibility that the Cabrini job will go ful-time.  If so this will be a heavily pursued job.  Hopefully this time around they will hire a candidate with enough experience to jusify fulfilling such a prime job
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 04:33:31 AM
Your e-mail address is the name of a prominent coach. Now, I think most people know Skip Prosser isn't going to be coaching here, but it's worth mentioning anyway. Since there's a tenuous connection in the subject matter I could see why it might be raised.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach P on February 18, 2007, 12:30:11 PM
In NO way at all on this board have I shown any relevance to that coach. My namy on this board is Coach P. My personal email address that I use everyday has NO relevance to this board. If my D3hoops name was the same as my email address then I can see your arguement. Please do not judge someone by their email adress.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2007, 01:20:40 PM
Coach P - or whoever you are - the email address is one way many of us know if people are legitament or up to no good on these boards. So... YES we will use your email address to determine your how legit you are... ESPECIALLY since your username is Coach P. Where as Pat Coleman goes by his name, Coach C goes by how EVERYONE knows him by, and I have incorporated by old user name as part of my name.

You can make whatever choices you want... but make sure you read the rules and realize we will judge you by the information we have!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 18, 2007, 01:31:19 PM
C-
So you have one guy on your list. Who are he other nine?
P-
Who comes off the first team if DelBrocco goes on? Either one of you take a stab at POY?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 18, 2007, 01:37:01 PM
I think we need to recognize that Wesley did very poorly this year.  And 1st Team players need to help their teams out.  I am not quite sure that R. Johnson should be first team.  Plus, this spot can be given to more veteran players who have earned it.  He is not even a junior yet.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 18, 2007, 03:45:34 PM
"Chiz wiz party of one? Chizwiz party of one? I've got a table...."

You cannot be serious with that last post. If you are going to need to identify the five players in front of him. You are basing too much on a flawed pre season poll and not enough on his actual play. He is one of a very small handful of players that everyone in the league gameplanned to stop, and he still led the league in scoring by a bunch.
Wesley underachieved this year because they struggled at the defensive end of the floor. If you want to hang that on him it is obvious that you did not see his team play this year. You could argue that he gets away witha lot a la Willie Chandler, but he has the ability to forcew turnovers and does quality work on the boards.
Who are your ten All-PAC players?
l
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach P on February 18, 2007, 05:14:00 PM
I am sorry but I must disagree. I think you should read what I have to say and determine if I am legit or not. Like I previously said, I never said I was him. I am only a fan of his.

Let me think about my 1st team a bit more before I make any post. I do think DelBrocco has earned that honor. What about Kyle Finkle from Immaculata? He should get consideration. He is the best player on a team in the 2nd round of the playoffs???

Player of the year I would go with Etzel maybe. I think it is very close for a couple guys and being his team was number one, I would give it to him.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach P on February 18, 2007, 05:15:35 PM
I will not post anymore from Coach P to keep the mods happy. I would never want to bend any rules from people who are on power trips.

Thanks for you time everyone. Enjoy the playoffs. Go Griffins.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 18, 2007, 08:44:44 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 18, 2007, 03:45:34 PM
He (R. Johnson) is one of a very small handful of players that everyone in the league gameplanned to stop, and he still led the league in scoring by a bunch.  You could argue that he gets away witha lot a la Willie Chandler, but he has the ability to forcew turnovers and does quality work on the boards.

Chairman,

You had me... then you lost me.

First, I'd agree that Johnson is a first-team All-PAC player regardless of what class he's in.  It's the all-upperclassmen team.

But, what did Willie Chandler "get away with"? 

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 09:46:24 PM
Quote from: Coach P on February 18, 2007, 05:15:35 PM
I will not post anymore from Coach P to keep the mods happy. I would never want to bend any rules from people who are on power trips.

Thanks for you time everyone. Enjoy the playoffs. Go Griffins.

Just use a different e-mail address. That's all. You're an AOL subscriber, yes? Try that address.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 19, 2007, 12:29:57 AM
Lefty-
You could probably answer this. How many games did Chandler foul out of in his four years. I only saw his senior year, but I saw him reach for steals and jump over the back on the offensive glass. Not saying he didn't ean the respect, but he got it.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 19, 2007, 08:27:36 AM
Chairman,
I don't know that figure, but I can tell he didn't foul out very often.  Was that because of "preferential" treatment?

I doubt it. 

Over his four years, he was probably on the receiving end of non-calls more than he was on the giving end.

He was bumped/held every time he cut through the lane and officials would often respond to Coach Martin with a shrug and "How else are they supposed to guard him?"

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 19, 2007, 09:25:28 AM
I can only speak from what I saw, and what I've heard from those who saw other games with Chandler playing, and based on that, I'll stick to my original statement. I think you are taking it as a slam, and perhaps it's because he was on the receiving end a lot of times that he was protected a little bit, but it's not a slam, it's just what it is.  It would be interesting to see how many times he fouled out in his four year career.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 19, 2007, 09:03:08 PM
I am going to have to put R. Johnson on the 1st team.  While I don't rescind my statement of before, I never actually said that he shouldn't be on the 1st team.  I am bothered that his team did poorly this year and Wesley isn't returning and he is only a sophomore.

Here are my All-PAC selections:

COY: reserved for Friday night.  To say that Chadwin deserves it forgets that EU could still win the conference.  If EU wins it, then Nadelhoffer should get COY; if not, then Chadwin (or Miller) should get it.

1st Team:
Finger - Alvernia
Etzel - Alvernia
Shawell - Alvernia
R. Johnson - Wesley
M. Johnson - EU

2nd Team:
Finklea - Macs
Boettcher - Arcadia
Reid - Cabrini
DelBrocco - G-MC
Smith - G-MC

HM:
Baumunk - Miseri
DiMaria - EU
Malloy - EU
Hyman - Macs
Fritz - Neumann

POY - Finger
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 19, 2007, 09:04:18 PM
I have a couple waiting in the wings and a couple who could get knocked off depending on the last two nights of PAC playoffs.  Hyman and Malloy had better be careful!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 19, 2007, 09:09:50 PM
Quote from: Coach C on February 17, 2007, 10:25:22 PM
I'll be honest Chairman.  i would take DelBrocco on my team any day.  Makes no mistakes, understands what to do in the offense and plays good D.

Second team?  No doubt.

C
C, while what you said about DelBrocco offensively is true and more, he really seems to get lost on D.  I don't think "good" is an appropriate adjective for him defensively.  I would lean more toward:  "he plays D", just like I play D and so did Bill Murray in Space Jam.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 19, 2007, 09:14:28 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 18, 2007, 03:45:34 PM
"Chiz wiz party of one? Chizwiz party of one? I've got a table...."

You cannot be serious with that last post. If you are going to need to identify the five players in front of him. You are basing too much on a flawed pre season poll and not enough on his actual play. He is one of a very small handful of players that everyone in the league gameplanned to stop, and he still led the league in scoring by a bunch.
Wesley underachieved this year because they struggled at the defensive end of the floor. If you want to hang that on him it is obvious that you did not see his team play this year. You could argue that he gets away witha lot a la Willie Chandler, but he has the ability to forcew turnovers and does quality work on the boards.
Who are your ten All-PAC players?
l
Uhh, yes I was serious with that post.  Re-read it, English major.  By the way, did they teach reading comprehension to you where you went to college?  I never said he wouldn't or shouldn't, just that I wasn't sure.  Which means my mind wasn't made up.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 19, 2007, 09:20:09 PM
Quote from: PacMan20 on February 18, 2007, 03:18:16 AM
This has been said over and over again but I feel the need to repeat: There is no absolutely no way the cabrini 05-06 team should not have at least made the playoffs when looking at the players and talent on that team.  Maccoica was very inexperienced going into this job but lets hope he learned his lesson  and realizes his mistakes. 

On another note is there the possibility that the Cabrini job will go ful-time.  If so this will be a heavily pursued job.  Hopefully this time around they will hire a candidate with enough experience to jusify fulfilling such a prime job
PacMan, do you really think that Cabrini has learned their lesson?  I seriously doubt that they have.  Macciocca, while a bad coach in many ways, was just a bad extension of the flawed system.  Right now, they are probably going to find another "rebound" coach to help smooth things out.  If he ends up winning for them, great.  If not, then their next coach will probably be a bigger name.

Do you think any quality coach (alum or otherwise somewhat experienced with Cabrini) will take that job?  They obviously don't support their coaches.  They have stopped giving their athletes as many "academic" dollars.  They don't have the pull they used to for recruits or assistant coaches because of their bad reputation, which won't go away for a while.  Additionally, any prospective coach will most probably know about the alums not wanting to support the team.  I wouldn't take that job for full-time pay at the high end of d3 coaches.

It's going to be time or the admin going to other schools before a good coach gets in.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 19, 2007, 09:24:06 PM
By the way, why do people make this assumption that Macciocca is a good coach?  What did he do before Cabrini to prove it?

And what did he do at Cabrini to prove it?  He is the reason his team of great players became a team of good players with great players going elsewhere.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 20, 2007, 06:13:26 PM
Chizwiz -
Thanks for posting a list. I love Mike Johnson's game when he brings it, but IMO you can't be a first teamer with invisible games. I have no problem with low scoring games, but I think the other numbers need to show up on those days. My opinion only, but I imagine one shared by most out there.
Finklea is the next guy if you are going to bump Boettcher. Hyman has come on very strong at the end of the year, but I think the second Immac kid has to be Jones.
Both games webcast tonight.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 20, 2007, 06:27:30 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 20, 2007, 06:13:26 PM
Chizwiz -
Thanks for posting a list. I love Mike Johnson's game when he brings it, but IMO you can't be a first teamer with invisible games. I have no problem with low scoring games, but I think the other numbers need to show up on those days. My opinion only, but I imagine one shared by most out there.
Finklea is the next guy if you are going to bump Boettcher. Hymen has come on very strong at the end of the year, but I think the second Immac kid has to be Jones.
Both games webcast tonight.
mp
Chair,
First, please spell Jayson Hyman's name correctly in the future.
Second, not everybody has their average every time.  That's what is called a "range".  Mike Johnson has a "range" just like everybody else.  But let's look at his numbers:
7th in rebounding with 7.1 per; 3rd in assists, as a POST MAN!, at 4.2 per, with only Finger and Bush above him; 4th in steals; and 1st in blocks, nearly doubling the next guy, King.
Okay, who has better defense than Mike on paper?  Also, does he have to be tops in offensive statistics?  If people can get awards for being one-sided on offense, then they should get the same for defense.  Although he doesn't need the help for his offensive skills.  You, of all people, should know that Eastern's type of offense forces more players to contribute and doesn't allow for a star as much as others - more team oriented and pass it around.

Anyway, I'm now at that famed 200 posts.  What do I get for it?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2007, 06:30:20 PM
Look around the board.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 20, 2007, 07:44:51 PM
Two free throws in the whole first half of a game, and the crazy thing is those were by Shawell on a clean block by Johnson.  The officiating crew probably has an 8:15 appointment somewhere. Big run by Alvernia to close out the half.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 20, 2007, 11:02:52 PM
EU . . . arrrrgghh!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 21, 2007, 12:08:30 AM
I agree with you on the range, but if you have a 2 point night, you need to be there with an 8 rebound, 2 steal, three block night. He's had too many nights with 0-4 points and less than impressive other areas to be a first teamer. I think he is a great player and a great kid, but a first team player needs to leave a mark on every game, and I don't think you would find anyone who has seen every Eastern game who would say that he has. I'll try to spell his last name correctly from now on.

Etzl is going to be player of the year in the Conference, but after seeing the Vern play for the third time, I will stick to my early contention that he is probably the third piece in a very good triangle. Shawell didn't start (too bad for Eastern that he got to play at all), and the Crusaders struggled a bit early. The presence of three very good three point shooters and three composed ball handlers is going to make Alvernia tough to beat. Shawell had three monster dunks and a spectacular reverse lay up. Division I athlete playing DIII basketball.

The whole second half was Alvernia grinding down the shot clock and getting the look they wanted with 4,5, or 6 on the shot clock. That's finger Etzl and a very  disciplined team. Congrats to Alvernia and Immaculata.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on February 21, 2007, 01:11:39 AM
I know this question has been asked before but I would like some clairification from people who know the answer. I was wodering if Coach N is a school teacher or worked at Eastern as another job complimentary to his coaching duties?

Tough loss for the Eagles tonight. Good things to come in the future.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 21, 2007, 06:39:40 AM
Quote from: East Coast Eagle on February 21, 2007, 01:11:39 AM
I know this question has been asked before but I would like some clairification from people who know the answer. I was wodering if Coach N is a school teacher or worked at Eastern as another job complimentary to his coaching duties?

Tough loss for the Eagles tonight. Good things to come in the future.
This has been discussed, but my opposition never believed me.  You can believe what you want; it isn't a big deal.  Coach Nadelhoffer is a full time coach with other duties such as Game Coordinator for fall and spring season sports (making sure workers and equipment is ready) and Fitness Center Director.  He also teaches 1-2 classes each year for a little extra, but it is not required of him.  He is not a school teacher and doesn't work outside of Eastern.  Some of the other coaches at Eastern have similar setups, which do not require them to find other work outside of the university.  They have a savvy athletic director and vice president of student development who understand why this is important.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 21, 2007, 06:48:29 AM
Chair, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on M. Johnson.  His stats are very, very strong for all but points.  Unfortunately, I don't think he will get first team as coaches (who are the ones voting) don't have the time to worry about things besides points.  I'm sure Shawell knows who owns him next year when he goes up for a dunk.  Let's remember that Shawell would have had 1 more dunk last night, but Mike made a collegiate block that somehow got called for a foul.

And I am not complaining about the officiating.  They do make mistakes sometimes.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 21, 2007, 07:01:13 AM
Congrats to Chadwin thus far.  COY.  Sorry, Jon, but I'm pulling for the Mighty Macs.  Although I don't think the Vern will have too much difficulty getting in with a 22-5 record and no conference championship, if need be.

On to the game at Alvernia.  EU played like they were playing against Lehigh - shooting percentage went dowwwwnnnnn.  It would be nice to see them shoot better against tough opponents.  Missed layups, missed layups, did I say missed layups?  Rough night.  Gosh Alvernia is good.  And I'm glad I won't see Finger and Etzel next year.  Not that it will matter though as the Crusaders seem to reload quickly, or even immediately.

It's good that there weren't any scorebook problems with lost fouls this time, right Jon?  Just having fun.

7.5 minutes without a point by EU going into halftime.  That's atrocious.  Maybe the juniors will finally come through as a group next year.

Sad game for a great captain, player, and kid last night.  Lenny DiMaria shot poorly last night.  It happens.  Unfortunately for him, it happened on his last collegiate game.  I hope he remembers the good games he had as a player.  What a great kid.  Became the sole captain after Bobby Black basically walked out on the team because Bobby wasn't tough enough to handle the pressure of college and tough games.  He will be forgotten soon.  But not Lenny.  I hope Lenny remembers his second collegiate game, out in Ohio, starting for Copeland (another Bobby Black-type bum) and playing with heart and skill.  Keep your head up, Lenny.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 21, 2007, 08:13:56 AM
And if he owns him, he will be player of the year. I am a big Mike Johnson fan, but you have to look objectively at his three games agaisnt Alvernia, and Boettcher's game against the Eagles at Arcadia along with the fact that he is averaging under ten a game and say that he is probably a second team guy.

Had Eastern made it to second in the regular season standings, I might be able to revise that idea, but we will disagree. I really think Finklea will wind up on the first team.

You are right about missed lay-ups, but once again the length of Shawell, Bradley, King, and even Finger had the Eastern players looking around when they were trying to finish at the basket. Alvernia, despite Mike's shot blocking ability was able to finish their lay-ups. I do think that the Eagles earned at least a pair of first half free throws. That they shot seven for the game, adn none in the first half is shameful.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 21, 2007, 02:25:01 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 21, 2007, 06:48:29 AM
Unfortunately, I don't think he will get first team as coaches (who are the ones voting) don't have the time to worry about things besides points.  I'm sure Shawell knows who owns him next year when he goes up for a dunk.  Let's remember that Shawell would have had 1 more dunk last night, but Mike made a collegiate block that somehow got called for a foul.

Chiz, did the Scarecrow take over during this middle portion of your post.  I would say in basketball, more than any other conference sport, the coaches vote on more than just one offensive stat.  I don't know any other sport where EVERY coach puts as much time into studying each conference opponent.  That's the whole point of the tape exchange.  I think you could leave stats off the ballot altogether and the voting would come out about the same.

And please tell that you're not insincuating that Mike Johnson "owns" Terrence Shawell.  He made one nice defensive play, on what video shows was a layup attempt, but his numbers in three games have been Awful.  Twenty-nine minutes per game, 1-for-13 from the floor, 0-for-5 from the arc, 0-for-2 from the line, 3.7 boards, 3.7 assists, 1.3 blocks, and 0.7 points.  Shawell has outscored him for the entire series on dunks alone...and it's a blowout!

And what's up with the consistent mentioning of officials from St. Davids computers.  Maybe you have room for a complaint when you lose a close game, but even poor officiating wouldn't make up 23 points.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 21, 2007, 04:17:30 PM
Objective statement of fact. The better team won.
Objective statement of fact. Team trying for upset had in their game plan to get the ball inside, earn points from foul line, and make better team's better players play fewer minutes because of the rule in basketball the prohibits further participation after the fifth foul of the game.
Objective statement of fact. The Officials in the Eastern-Alvernia game called just six fouls in the first half. Eastern shot 0 free throws in the opening half.The first half lasted 28 minutes and change. You can make an argument that there was no illegal contact on inside play and scoring attempts throughout the first half, but it is just not so. Almost every time you see a team go 0-0 from the foul line in a half it is because they are standing on the perimeter and jacking up threes. That was not the game Eastern tried to play in the first half.  The officials did not miss the lay ups in the last five minutes, but there were several plays when the game was a 4 and 6 point game that are usually called as fouls and would result in free throws being shot.
Alvernia, being bigger at every position, was more capable of dealing with the way the game was being called. Not implying there was bias in the crew.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 21, 2007, 10:14:24 PM
Quote from: Jon on February 21, 2007, 02:25:01 PM
And what's up with the consistent mentioning of officials from St. Davids computers.  Maybe you have room for a complaint when you lose a close game, but even poor officiating wouldn't make up 23 points.
Jon, in no way was I insinuating that the officials changed the game.  No major complaints here in the officiating, just small ones that don't need to be brought up more as chair has done some, too.  I think you are reading into the St. Davids computers a little too much.  Your team is significantly better than EU's right now.  Favorable officials for EU wouldn't have won us the game last night.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 21, 2007, 10:20:44 PM
It's also not surprising that M. Johnson had 3 bad games against Alvernia.  As Chair wrote, the best way for EU to beat the Vern is to go inside with our less-than-big post men.  Mike is our main guy.  The Crusaders are more than able to stop him, so he won't produce against Alvernia.  Sadly this year, the rest of the team has not shot well with possible assists from post players like Johnson.  Say what you will about his stats against Alvernia, but my points here make sense.  I stand on my previous point that few players in the conference have what Mike has in his other stats.  His ppg is just fine for a first-teamer combined with his other stats.

And I'm just having fun with the "own" comment.  I figured somebody needed to give Mike some props with that block since he didn't get credit for it on the court.  I think you have enough to gloat about with the win that you can let me make a few comments without getting too touchy, Jon.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 22, 2007, 09:01:34 AM
My statement about St. Davids computers came after what I deem as a disturbing trend following Eastern losses.  I don't have time to go back and find all the quotes, but I recall some commentary about Rashawn Johnson having success at Eastern after he could have fouled out and Willie Chandler getting calls back in the day and now the first thing posted after Alvernia's semifinal win (actually midway through the win) was a comment about officiating.

In other news, I don't think I'm getting touchy with my comment on the Johnson/Shawell relationship.  That descriptor would be used for a hasty comeback to a somewhat sensible comparison...your comparison would make even an unbiased observer scratch their head.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 23, 2007, 10:12:16 AM
I see the smite fairy has been out and about recently.

For the record, my comments on Wesley were in response to a question asking if they were for real. I said that they would struggle to win in more tightly officiated games. I think that we saw Wesley struggle this year, and in talking to people who saw their quarterfinal game, and people who know basketball, their comments were "After he [Johnson] picked up his third foul he was just passive." I don't have the time or inclination really to pore over Wesley's game reports, but I would venture a guess that there is a strong correlation between games with 20+ fouls on the Wolverines and losses. Some of that could be chalked up to teams having to foul to try to come back, but my point is that they didn't have the depth to endure foul trouble and that they played in such a way that they were vulnerable to it.

Maybe I should have used Michael Jordan instead of Willie Chandler. But then people would say that NBA officials called exactly the same set of fouls and violations on Jordan as they did on Jon Koncak and that I'm just trying to discredit Jordan because I hate him.

As for the game the other night. The facts are what they are. How many college games have you seen with three (I forgot about Etzl's at halftime) foul shots in a half? Your statement that the game was a blowout and that the quality of officiating was inconsequential. My contention is that the quality of the officiating was poor for a playoff game. I stand by my words on this, but will not post any more on the subject.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 23, 2007, 08:39:07 PM
Quote from: Jon on February 21, 2007, 02:25:01 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 21, 2007, 06:48:29 AM
Unfortunately, I don't think he will get first team as coaches (who are the ones voting) don't have the time to worry about things besides points.  I'm sure Shawell knows who owns him next year when he goes up for a dunk.  Let's remember that Shawell would have had 1 more dunk last night, but Mike made a collegiate block that somehow got called for a foul.

Chiz, did the Scarecrow take over during this middle portion of your post.  I would say in basketball, more than any other conference sport, the coaches vote on more than just one offensive stat.  I don't know any other sport where EVERY coach puts as much time into studying each conference opponent.  That's the whole point of the tape exchange.  I think you could leave stats off the ballot altogether and the voting would come out about the same.

And please tell that you're not insincuating that Mike Johnson "owns" Terrence Shawell.  He made one nice defensive play, on what video shows was a layup attempt, but his numbers in three games have been Awful.  Twenty-nine minutes per game, 1-for-13 from the floor, 0-for-5 from the arc, 0-for-2 from the line, 3.7 boards, 3.7 assists, 1.3 blocks, and 0.7 points.  Shawell has outscored him for the entire series on dunks alone...and it's a blowout!

And what's up with the consistent mentioning of officials from St. Davids computers.  Maybe you have room for a complaint when you lose a close game, but even poor officiating wouldn't make up 23 points.


Boy I wish Dzik was around to hear this crap.   
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 23, 2007, 08:43:05 PM
Lets not be too politcally correct out there.

A win is a win and a loss is a loss.   Always seemed like we got the raw deal at Alvernia with officials as well as quick buzzes.    Never heard about it because Cabrini never lost a PAC championship to Alvernia.

Stop gloating........ Alvernia is the better team at the moment but are nothing to brag about.  Lets see how far they go now and if they deserve our support fine.  Maybe the PAC is the only place they can win.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 23, 2007, 08:45:04 PM
Easy to sit back after a win and take credit for stats.   Be careful it could come back and bite you in your blank.......


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 23, 2007, 11:25:05 PM
Two straight for the Crusaders and fourth title overall.  Congrats of course to Coach Miller, his staff, and the team, but equal kudos to the Immaculata program.

The Macs showed they are worlds better than their record.  They Pound the glass relentlessly and play with such tenacity...and the crowd that follows them was terrific.  I've never seen the PEC filled to capacity before and we've had some big games with Cabrini and Albright and others, but there are always empty seats in the bleachers...not tonight.  1,500 people makes for a tremendous playoff atmosphere.

Thanks to all involved who treated us to a great experience.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2007, 03:03:51 AM
Fun atmosphere tonight, very underrated. There's not a lot of great crowds in the Mid-Atlantic and I know a conference title game brings out a little extra in everyone, but this was fun.

Yes, Jon, still wide awake. :)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 24, 2007, 12:13:31 PM
Pat, thanks for making the trip through Friday traffic to visit The Vern.  We appreciate the extra attention.

Go Mules!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 25, 2007, 12:38:39 AM
Congrats to the Crusaders.  Represent the PAC well in the playoffs.  I would love to see you play Messiah first round and beat up on those softies out there.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on February 25, 2007, 03:12:05 PM
A couple of thoughts after watching the PAC title game.

Congratulations to Coach Miller, his staff and the team. You guys did a hell of a job, and you made at least one alumnus (me) proud! Good luck in the NCAA! Hopefully you will get the opportunity to host the opening rounds!

Immaculata is going to be scary to watch next season if they can keep this squad together. I believe I saw only one senior on the roster. Jon, you were right on with your comments about how hard they played and how they attack the rim.

Great atmosphere at the PEC Friday night. Best crowd I have ever witnessed at Alvernia. I was sitting right behind the AC cheering section, and there was definitely more then a little bit of juice between both team's cheering sections.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 25, 2007, 04:17:11 PM
Let me also chime in with congratulations and best wishes to the Crusaders. I was very impressed with their senior leadership and their newcomers for this year. Coach Miller should be commended for winning back to back with two very different teams. I will be very interested to see what kind of a team it is going to take to beat them, but I think their ability to take care of the ball and to space the floor with three very good three point shooters will make them very difficult to beat on night when shots are falling.

Alvernia will be an outstanding representative from the PAC into the NCAA tournament.


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on February 25, 2007, 07:13:36 PM
Would it be possible for Alvernia to be shipped out to another region, but yet be a host site for the tournament?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 25, 2007, 09:05:41 PM
Yes
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 26, 2007, 06:57:39 AM
The tournament selection committee is a joke.  We should start calling it the BCS.  How does the ODAC get 3 bids and the MAC Freedom get two when the WIAC and the CCIW get only one?  UW-Oshkosh is ranked 7th, Elmhurst is 14th, and UW-Lacrosse is 18th.  And Messiah gets in with a pansy schedule?

How do ho-hum teams like Brandeis, Messiah, and Hood (and even Guilford) get in when some of these aforementioned great teams don't?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2007, 07:55:48 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 26, 2007, 06:57:39 AM
The tournament selection committee is a joke.  We should start calling it the BCS.  How does the ODAC get 3 bids and the MAC Freedom get two

Nozwiz, you're posting on every message board making a clown of yourself. Where do you see the Freedom getting two bids? King's is the lone Freedom rep and they got bumped out of their own region, yet they're not complaining.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 26, 2007, 03:10:51 PM
Quote from: cold_case on February 26, 2007, 07:55:48 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 26, 2007, 06:57:39 AM
The tournament selection committee is a joke.  We should start calling it the BCS.  How does the ODAC get 3 bids and the MAC Freedom get two

Nozwiz, you're posting on every message board making a clown of yourself. Where do you see the Freedom getting two bids? King's is the lone Freedom rep and they got bumped out of their own region, yet they're not complaining.
cold case, pardon me.  I meant MAC Commonwealth.  Same difference.  Plus, I don't think Kings should complain.  They aren't a good enough team to be asking for home games and I hear It's beautiful up there in Amherst/Mass this time of year.

I'm not making a clown.  You still have no answer for my point.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2007, 04:58:34 PM
When you make a point, I'll answer. But it's hard to argue with somebody who claims the Freedom is the same as the Commonwealth.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 26, 2007, 08:50:40 PM
Mr. Case,

Are you lost?

The All-PAC team has been announced.

Player of the Year: Garrett Etzel, Alvernia College
Rookie of the Year: Matt King, Alvernia College
Coach of the Year: Jamie Chadwin, Immaculata University

First Team:
Garrett Etzel , Alvernia College
Rashawn Johnson, Wesley College
Terrence Shawell, Alvernia College
Dave Boettcher, Arcadia University
Chris DelBrocco, Gwynedd-Mercy College

Second Team:
Ryan Finger, Alvernia College
Randy Reid, Cabrini College
Kyle Finklea, Immaculata University
Vinny Baumunk, College Misericordia
Mike Johnson, Eastern University
Robert Jones, Immaculata University

Honorable Mention:
Ronnie Fields, Neumann College
Derahn Patrick, Neumann College
Dave Smith, Gwynedd-Mercy College
Lenny DiMaria, Eastern University
Adam Wildasin, Marywood University

Push the Rock Sportsmanship Awards
Alvernia College: Brandon Woods
Arcadia University: Andrew Martin
Cabrini College: Randy Reid
Eastern University: Dan Piotrowski
Gwynedd-Mercy College: Rashid Santiago
Immaculata University: Josh Alderson
Marywood University: Matt Johnson
College Misericordia: Tony Rezykowski
Neumann College: DJ Fritz
Wesley College: Joe Ransom
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on February 26, 2007, 09:14:00 PM
Not too suprised by the Player, Rookie or Coach of the year awards.  Thought that since Alvernia won the title, and I am a bit biased, that Finger would have gotten on the First team as well. But overall, no complaints.

Saw Alvernia drew Lincoln. It's an intriguing matchup. Any thoughts?



Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on February 26, 2007, 09:14:37 PM
And hey...


eh... who am I kidding, I just wanted to be post #1000, I have nothing more to contribute.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 27, 2007, 01:36:09 AM
K-
I would agree on the Finger point. Each school can only put one player up for POY (which makes sense, because the last thing in the world a team wants to do is split up the votes among players from their own team and let someone else slide in, but in my opinion he was one of the top three players in the league on the year. The fact that the other two guys on the list wore the same color jersey as he did every night is the only thing that kept him off the first team.

I didn't count on getting 6 second teamers, but I guess Smith missed too many games and fell behind Reid and Baumunk and the voters switched DelBrocco and Finger, and the rest of the list was published here about two weeks ago.

Alvernia Lincoln should be a very interesting match up. If the game were at Alvernia, I would think the Crusaders by 16. On a neutral court, I think the Alvernia ball handlers will control tempo and frustrate Lincoln into a walk it up game and win by 8-10. The Lions will want to try to push tempo and force turnovers, but I think Alvernia's ability to spread the floor will make it very difficult for Lincoln. Catholic's gym is a nice shooter's gym, so Etzl, King, and Shawell should have no problem finding the range.

Some very odd decisions by "the committee." Hard to believe only one CCIW and one Wisconsin school made it in. I'm sure there is a mathematical explanation, but I'm struggling to believe that the second place teams in those two leagues wouldn't absolutely throttle some of the lesser pool c's.

Congrats to all the players who earned all-PAC.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 27, 2007, 07:54:25 AM
I'd be interested to see how many Players of the Year were not first or second team the year prior to winning the POY award.  Etzel was honorable mention as a junior up to POY as a senior.  Zach Straining, Daimen Hunter, and Lonnie Walker, the three previous Alvernia POYs, were all First Team the year before winning.  Obviously Willie Chandler was in high school the year before winning, and transfers can skew the numbers.

Alvernia v. Lincoln will be webcast in some capacity on Friday at 6:00 p.m.  Speaking of webcasts, the company that hosted Friday's PAC Final webcast estimated that we had 1,700 people check into at least some portion of the webcast, which is only a slightly larger number than the crowd at the PEC on Friday.  It's not quite the last episode of M.A.S.H., but a fairly impressive number none the less.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 11:23:20 AM
... should have been singing Suicide is Painless :)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on February 28, 2007, 09:53:06 AM
chairman:

I think Lincoln/Alvernia game will be a good one also, however the Lions have shown they they can change the tempo as evidenced by their win over North Central in Orlando, FL in December.

I see from Alvernia website and posts, Alvernia primarily relies on three peiple, Etzel, Shawell and King.  Lincoln has a deep bench and the team goes about 9-10 deep and do not rely on one or two key players the way they had in the past.  The Lions will "wear" teams down, and if the Crusaders "big three" gets in foul trouble, it cold be a long evening.  Last year the Lions lost to VA Weselyan by one at their place, and led going into the final seconds intil Balenga hit the trey to win by 1.

I'm looking for a good game between both teams, and of course hoping the Lions will win.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 28, 2007, 07:59:50 PM
Their "big three" has played much of the year without getting in foul trouble. (I'll refrain from any further comment here.) I can't see Lincoln being able to force the game to a tempo where Alvernia will wear out their primary weapons. If Lincoln wants to sprint up the floor and shoot it, the Alvernia team will turn around and make them play thirty seconds of defense. They don't take bad shots and they don't turn it over, so I don't see the depth thing being a big issue.

It will be an interesting game.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on February 28, 2007, 09:13:43 PM
If Lincoln sprints out to a huge lead, it will force Alvernia to play "catch-up" and potential take the Crusaders out of their game.  Lincoln lost one player (Kyle Myrick)  from last years NCAA club, and added depth.

Let The Games Begin!      :)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 28, 2007, 10:33:30 PM
Kyle Myrick was good.

How do teams jump out to big leads? They force turnovers or force teams teams to shoot a low percentage while scoring on a high percentage of their own possessions. I don't foresee a situation where Alvernia, a club with two senior guards and third guard who plays like a senior, is going to turn the ball over. They are a good passing team that doesn't rush things (I would say they are more likely to commit turnovers like 10 second violations, carries, shot clock violations and those things than coughing up balls against pressure defenses for dunks the other way.

If Alvernia struggles from three point range, and Lincoln can pound the ball inside for baskets against Alvernia's young bigs, then I can see Lincoln pushing out to a small lead, but in my opinion they are still disciplined enough to work for good shots and cut into a lead rather than trying to catch up all at once. Finger's presence on the floor as a controller of tempo is not to be underestimated in these games.

Not saying Lincoln's not good, but I don't see them running out to a big lead. Nobody has really done that to Alvernia in 2007 and there is little reason to believe that they will all of a sudden change who they are.

How many of the 16 Championships are in Track and Field?

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 01, 2007, 10:54:01 AM
It should be a really good game between Lincoln and Alvernia.  The Lions veterans all played with Kyle last year and were so close to advancing to the elite eight, but it wasn't meant to happen.  I'm sure Coach Yuille dosen't have to remind them that "second chances" are difficult to happen in sports (after last years VA Wesleyan game), and the Lions will be focused.

This will be Lincoln's last opportunity to play in a NCAA postseason tournament for two years since they will be Division II provisional next year, so the current juniors will want to give it their best before their collegiate careers are over.  Additionally, the Lions have performed well on neutral courts.  Again, I hope the game is officiated well, and may the best team win.

Btw, Lincoln's sixteen NCAA championships are all in Track & Field.  The Lions men's Track team are again loaded, and hopefully able to bring home a 17th this year.


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 11:37:12 PM
Hey guys, we're collecting previews for each team in the tourney on one of the multiregional boards. If I get them by Friday I may even be able to stick them in one document for people to peruse. A fun little tourney resource of sorts. Would someone here be willing to do one for Alvernia? Thanks!

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5147.0
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 01, 2007, 11:52:50 PM
Nice to see you found your way to the PAC board April. I think Jon's the man on that one. Lincoln Lion, do you have any insight into why Lincoln is going DII? Will they try to continue to field alll the sports they currently field when they make the transition, or will they drop some?

I won't be gloating if they do, but I do think Alvernia will win tomorrow.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: diehardfan on March 02, 2007, 12:00:05 AM
Quote from: chairman on March 01, 2007, 11:52:50 PM
Nice to see you found your way to the PAC board April.
Thanks! Probably should be a little more supportive of the programs that have alums from the best school in the universe as their coaches, huh!  ;) :-[ :D
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 02, 2007, 10:01:02 AM
April & Chairman:

I posted the "Lincoln Report".  Thanks for the invite April and congratulations on your HOF status  :) .
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 02, 2007, 10:51:07 AM
chairman:

Lincoln's Board of Trustees voted early last year to make the transition to DII with the decision to bring back Football and improve the quality of life on campus.  Lincoln has been without football since the late 1950's, and I can tell you, things were boring during the fall afternoons.  Most alums are excited, but some are aprehensive as it related to the costs associated with football, and the scholarships needed for DII programs.

I believe the Lions will maintain their current sports and add a few Women's team for title IX compliance.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 02, 2007, 11:02:24 AM
Quote from: njlincolnlion on March 02, 2007, 10:51:07 AM
chairman:

Lincoln's Board of Trustees voted early last year to make the transition to DII with the decision to bring back Football and improve the quality of life on campus.  Lincoln has been without football since the late 1950's, and I can tell you, things were boring during the fall afternoons.  Most alums are excited, but some are aprehensive as it related to the costs associated with football, and the scholarships needed for DII programs.

I believe the Lions will maintain their current sports and add a few Women's team for title IX compliance.



Good to hear a success story about a school unlike the institutional neglect that runs rampid in the PAC school. 

I remember driving out into the sticks to see Lincoln and Cabrini play regularly back in the Dzik days.    Seems like LU should be proud with their admn and staff unlike PAC schools. 

I must admit Alvernia is also committed to their athletes in a certain way.

Is not amazing when you see examples of institutions listening and supporting their student athletes how they seem to win on the court! !

Funny how Alvernia and LU are there with the right attitudes of their administration in supporting their programs.  Amazing how school grow due to athletics isn't it! ! !

Whats wrong with the PAC ????  Maybe it pays to be independent.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on March 02, 2007, 11:33:53 AM
6:30 and change to tip off.

This is my first trip to the DuFour Center on the campus of Catholic University.  A bit dim and not lacking in heat are the first impressions.  The banner decor is impressive...it's got a clear feel of tradition.

Feel free to tune in to d3hoops.com audio (http://www.d3hoops.com/audio)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2007, 03:19:12 PM
"a bit dim"

Truer words were never spoken. Best of luck with the whole photo exercise. :)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 02, 2007, 03:48:57 PM
WolfPAC--

Before you get too rosy a picture painted, Lincoln's athletic program has serious issues. The first for-instance is a canceled women's soccer game on the day before the game at Cabrini. They just called and left a message saying they were not coming. When their women's basketball team played at Eastern a couple weeks ago, they pulled up 23 minutes prior to the scheduled start of the game.  The track and field tradition is great, and their men's basketball team has done well of late, but I have a feeling that DII is going to be a bit of a problem for Lincoln's other teams. Their fall records are posted on their website and would put them pretty close to the bottom of the PAC in most of their other sports.

The institutional move to DII is a track and field move with potentially an eye toward basketball. They have no other programs that are even middle of the road in Division III. To continue to field these teams and not support them counteracts the perceived positives in basketball and track and field.

While I would love to see our institutions support our student athletes more fully, the "rampant" neglect is probably overstated, and I would argue that the top six or seven athletic programs in the PAC do a better job supporting their student athletes throughout the department than does Lincoln. The facts are out there.

April-
Coach Nadelhoffer got his Masters from Aurora. Is that what you mean? ;D

Jon,
Set your ISO to 1200, open up your fstop to 2.8 and shoot at 1/250th and you have a chance. The DuFour Center was a good shooting facility when we played Brockport down there last year. Wasn't quite as kind against the hosts.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 02, 2007, 03:50:17 PM
Jon,

Check that. I shot during the day, and there was ambient light coming in from the high windows. 1600 and pray for a meteor shower or northern lights or something.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 02, 2007, 04:00:01 PM
NJ-

I was checking through Lincoln's stats to try to figure out who to lookout for tonight, something didn't look quite right. Then I realized, there are 24 players who have seen time for Lincoln this year. Can we expect all 24 to be in uniform tonight? I see Robinson's name on the book as a point leader in mid February and then nothing in the last game. Will he play tonight?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 02, 2007, 04:07:11 PM
chairman:

Have you seen the New Baseball field and scoreboard at Lincoln has upgraded during the last 3 years?  Have you evened bothered to go to the website and look at what's happening with Lincoln Baseball?  Have you seen the Men's Soccer team record the last two years?  Have you seen how the Women's Basketball team performed this (having their best season in school history) season?  The men's basketball team had it's best season ever last year and are 64-20 in the last three years.

Sure women's scoccer, and the tennis teams are lagging as of now, but the effort to address students activities on campus (and athletics are apart of student activities) has been postive over the last two years.  Modifications to existing facilities, and the building boom on campus is proof of Lincoln's commitment to it's charter, students, alumni, and neighbors in the surrounding communities.

In going DII, Lincoln will also become part of the CIAA conference, as oppose to life as an independent.  Check out the website, and ask for info, before assuming.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 02, 2007, 04:09:09 PM
chairman:

You won't see Robinson tonight.  He no longer apart of the team, and I may add, the freshman was a key contributor during the time he played.  He will be a big loss for the team, but I feel we will still be alright.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 02, 2007, 04:10:55 PM
WolfPac:

I couldn't help laughing when you mentioned Lincoln being in the "sticks".  I still recall seeing the "Lincoln University" sign in the corn field off Route 1 when I went down there as a freshman, decades ago.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 02, 2007, 04:40:00 PM
Did check the website.

Baseball 1-3 against the bottom three in the PAC.  Whacked twice by Marywood and beaten by Neumann, they beat Eastern's fifth starter in a three man rotation.

Men's Soccer. Good against Bible Colleges. John Jay and Columbia Union are not great opponents, and  5-9 is not setting the world on fire.

Women's Volleyball. Lost two games to Rosemont, who didn't win a game in the PAC and won just two all year.l

Women's Soccer. Lost to Valley Forge Christian who got killed by Immaculata. Immaculata finished 10th in the PAC.

Softball... No team.

Tennis. Couldn't really figure out what was going on from the web site, but it looks like the women were 2-5.

Basketball and track it is. I think that any PAC team would love to boast 16 national champions, but the rest of the programs are below average DIII programs, and would not fare well in the PAC.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 02, 2007, 04:41:12 PM
Quote from: njlincolnlion on March 02, 2007, 04:10:55 PM
WolfPac:

I couldn't help laughing when you mentioned Lincoln being in the "sticks".  I still recall see the "Lincoln University" sign in the cornfield off Route 1 when I went down there as a freshman, decades ago.

Re: "in the sticks"

Don't worry about it. Merely say, instead, bucolic or rustic. Those two terms have far more charms, I think, for those folks who've never seen a cow or a field from whence come their veggies ....  ;)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 02, 2007, 09:56:00 PM
Warren:

The rustic/bucolic charms were a culture shock for this 17 year old suburban kis from NJ  ;D , but I got use to it, and today I love mushrooms, even after finding out how they were grown while living in the mushroom capital of the country for four years.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 02, 2007, 09:56:44 PM
Lincoln defeats Alvernia 91-76
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 02, 2007, 11:14:40 PM
LU has come along way despite its critics.

They should take pride ! ! !

Getting a bad rap because they cancel a game is nonsense.



Like I said, the best Pac team cannot beat LU... Alvernia can only win in the Pac when it really counts.  Don't hear those gloaters now.

Cabrini used to whip up on Lincoln but always held respect for them until this new regime came around.  Lincoln has turned the tide and is a class act despite the bad mouthing because they are independent.

Think people are jealous because they cannot get to D2 because of their administrative policies. 

Oh by the way they did it without Merrick too!

Congratulations from an oldtime Cabrini person :o

Its ashame that these Pac school have a discriminating policy if you have no money to get into them and you are good at playing sports.  Time to move out of the PAC if you want to win nationally.  Cabrini has a good LAX program though.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 02, 2007, 11:17:21 PM
No offense with "in the sticks"

Just how it seemed back then before everything else got so built up.

If only some people understood.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: VernAlum on March 03, 2007, 09:23:23 AM
First off sorry my first post will be so negative.  WolfPac, why dont you start a new forum titled "Cabrini" and post until your heart is content.  Or even better why dont you apply for the Cabrini job, or even better yet take the Presidents job.  You seem to have all the answers.  Be proud that a PAC team had a good season but chose a bad time to have an off game.  Just because Cabrini has had some off years doesn't reflect the rest of the  PAC's success.  Everything you say goes right back to Cabrini or institutional neglect or conference neglect. Get over it, your living in the past. Congrats to Alvernia.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2007, 02:17:52 PM
Vern:

How long is your school staying in this conference?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: VernAlum on March 03, 2007, 02:28:54 PM
Pat,
I'm sure you are more up to date on that topic than I am.  You always hear the possibility of a switch.  With that being said, until Alvernia makes a move they are a member of the PAC. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 03, 2007, 03:18:06 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on December 17, 2006, 09:07:15 PM

I agree totally with your assessment that D3 is the last pure form of basketball out there.  You are right on!!

The NBA is disgusting with the millions they get paid for showing up while D1 &d2 is about money and entertainment most of the time.  D3 is all guts and no glory due to hard fought battles & hard work.   Pure basketball!

WolfPAC. No sour grapes about not going DII here. I would agree with your earlier statement that D3 is right at the heart of collegiate athletics. Lincoln should be proud that they beat a very good Alvernia team last night.

Congrats to them on a good win.

As to your comment that "getting a bad rap because they cancel a game is nonsense." Think about that for a second. It just doesn't make sense. It happened to be the day of the field dedication at Cabrini, and they called the Friday night before after business hours and left a message. Now that doesn't have any bearing on their basketball team per se, but that is really poor administration within a department.

Congratulations to the Alvernia team on a good year.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on March 03, 2007, 05:25:58 PM
Chair,

Thanks for your support over the past week as the Crusaders prepared for the NCAA Championship.  Two straight 23-5 season aren't bad.

Lincoln kept coming with athlete after athlete off the bench last night and they hit big shots.  It's tought to mount a second-half comeback when the opposition shoots 63 percent from the floor.  It hurt having Finger on the bench for the final four minutes of the first half with two fouls.  Lincoln finished the half on a 14-2 run (11-2 after Finger's departure).  Blanton did most of the damage to end the first half hitting three 3s and hit his fourth to end a 7-0 Alvernia run in the second half.

Byard is a tough match-up, but I don't think that's a surprise to anyone.

I'd say the Crusaders were a couple of clutch shots from having a real shot at advancing last night.  I recall one corner 3 from Etzel that would have cut the lead under five, but it didn't happen.

Tonight's match-up at the DuFour Center should be interesting.  Catholic's seniors are exactly what you would want to make a run in the tournament, but Lincoln's full supply of athleticism can give anyone fits.  I recommend tuning it for the 7:00 tip-off, or at least keeping live stats up and running.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 03, 2007, 08:14:39 PM
Quote from: VernAlum on March 03, 2007, 09:23:23 AM
First off sorry my first post will be so negative.  WolfPac, why dont you start a new forum titled "Cabrini" and post until your heart is content.  Or even better why dont you apply for the Cabrini job, or even better yet take the Presidents job.  You seem to have all the answers.  Be proud that a PAC team had a good season but chose a bad time to have an off game.  Just because Cabrini has had some off years doesn't reflect the rest of the  PAC's success.  Everything you say goes right back to Cabrini or institutional neglect or conference neglect. Get over it, your living in the past. Congrats to Alvernia.

Vern,  Who was the person most responsible for creating the PAC?
Thats what I thought...............

Remember Alvernia is only good in the PAC... exception the year with Damien Hunter even though they got to the final 4  they did not win the PAC because of you know who.

If it is any consolation  congratulations to the Vern for winning the PAC but they only beat Immaculata who lost to you know who twice this year.  No hard feelings buddy.   Just that when a legend is gone the rest of the conference seems to benefit. 

As far as being stuck in the past....there is nothing really exciting in the PAC in the present in basketball unless you are a woman from GMC.
For what its worth Alvernia did win the PAC but thats about it.  I am sure your little Alvernia click is happy in their own world though and you should enjoy the moment of cutting the nets.  I must give your school credit though for having an administration who seems to care about athletics or it appears that way.   





Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 03, 2007, 08:17:15 PM
Pat Coleman.

Where do you honestly see the PAC heading in terms of national attention and quality play within D3?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 03, 2007, 08:20:15 PM
Quote from: VernAlum on March 03, 2007, 09:23:23 AM
First off sorry my first post will be so negative.  WolfPac, why dont you start a new forum titled "Cabrini" and post until your heart is content.  Or even better why dont you apply for the Cabrini job, or even better yet take the Presidents job.  You seem to have all the answers.  Be proud that a PAC team had a good season but chose a bad time to have an off game.  Just because Cabrini has had some off years doesn't reflect the rest of the  PAC's success.  Everything you say goes right back to Cabrini or institutional neglect or conference neglect. Get over it, your living in the past. Congrats to Alvernia.


I used to be the president of the dorms when we used to whoop your butts without even trying.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2007, 11:57:59 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on March 03, 2007, 08:17:15 PM
Pat Coleman.

Where do you honestly see the PAC heading in terms of national attention and quality play within D3?

Nowhere particularly. The league is not getting better with its changes in alignment.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 04, 2007, 09:16:50 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2007, 11:57:59 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on March 03, 2007, 08:17:15 PM
Pat Coleman.

Where do you honestly see the PAC heading in terms of national attention and quality play within D3?

Nowhere particularly. The league is not getting better with its changes in alignment.


Thank you for your objective answer puts things in perspective. The positive is there is still a chance for someone to shine but if the PAC stays contained with its small private schools full of institutional neglect the conference will not grow with the great tradition and honor it needs to expand.  "The alignment is making it worse I believe and somehow it may get more dilluted until the inevitable occurs.    Only hoping someone out there understands and can make changes.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 04, 2007, 11:17:28 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on March 02, 2007, 04:41:12 PM
Quote from: njlincolnlion on March 02, 2007, 04:10:55 PM
WolfPac:

I couldn't help laughing when you mentioned Lincoln being in the "sticks".  I still recall see the "Lincoln University" sign in the cornfield off Route 1 when I went down there as a freshman, decades ago.

Re: "in the sticks"

Don't worry about it. Merely say, instead, bucolic or rustic. Those two terms have far more charms, I think, for those folks who've never seen a cow or a field from whence come their veggies ....  ;)
How about "campy"?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 04, 2007, 11:24:46 AM
Quote from: WolfPAC on March 02, 2007, 11:14:40 PM
LU has come along way despite its critics.

They should take pride ! ! !

Getting a bad rap because they cancel a game is nonsense.



Like I said, the best Pac team cannot beat LU... Alvernia can only win in the Pac when it really counts.  Don't hear those gloaters now.

Cabrini used to whip up on Lincoln but always held respect for them until this new regime came around.  Lincoln has turned the tide and is a class act despite the bad mouthing because they are independent.

Think people are jealous because they cannot get to D2 because of their administrative policies. 

Oh by the way they did it without Merrick too!

Congratulations from an oldtime Cabrini person :o

Its ashame that these Pac school have a discriminating policy if you have no money to get into them and you are good at playing sports.  Time to move out of the PAC if you want to win nationally.  Cabrini has a good LAX program though.


Wolfie, I actually thought you had some good things to say until recently.  You have proved yourself to be different from my initial impressions.  Seriously, going to Div 2 is a step up?  Most academics consider d2 the laughing-stock of schools.  They are basically a trumped-up version of juco's.  There are exceptions, but Lincoln is not one of them academically.  If I was interviewing for a job, I would laugh at the guy with the Lincoln diploma.

Please tell me how PAC schools have a discriminating policy.  Do you want them to go broke?  You must be a socialist.  Oh, and one game (Alvernia v Lincoln) shouldn't prove to anyone that the PAC can't hack it.  I was very surprised by this result and look forward to seeing Alvernia do better next year.

And it is not nonsense to get a bad rap for how that soccer game was cancelled.  That's like ending a relationship over a voicemail - no class.

Get over yourself, Wolfie.  And quit living in the past with Cabrini.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 04, 2007, 02:13:59 PM
I could be wrong on this, but the league loses 6 and 7 and every member of the league has a chance to pick up two more non-league games against teams of their own choosing. With the improvement of Immaculata and a coaching change coming at Cabrini, I think that the PAC will survive the loss of Wesley and Arcadia. Depending how teams in the league choose to use those extra two games, you could see PAC teams taking on more regionally ranked teams.

WolfPAC, you seem to be remembering days of National prominence that the PAC never really had. There is not likely to be a time when the PAC routinely places three teams in the national rankings for any sport, but I don't that is necessarily anything new. I'm struggling to follow what it is you want the league to do. The schools in the PAC aren't supposed to offer athletic scholarships, and many of them need their athletic programs as a way to recruit students.

If you added the endowments of all the PAC schools, and doubled it, you would not even be in the ball park of Swarthmore. You can't just randomly say, "We are going to let athletes who cannot afford to be here come and we'll give them money we don't have if they can get us to 20 wins." There are two problems with it. First of all, it's against the rules of Division III. Second of all, it is a bad business model to spend more than you bring in.

I know that DIII schools do it, and that many in the old days of the PAC used to do it (and some may still) , but the rules are pretty specific about offering the same level of aid to athletes that you do to the general student body. When you hear about a kid with a 780 SAT getting a "presidential scholarship" for $12,000, it makes you a little queasy. It's always a bit of a coincidence when that kid is 80 inches tall.

So WolfPAC, rather than complaining, come up with a strategic plan for upping the level of the conference without breaking NCAA rules or causing any of the Institutions to go broke. It would be great to say that we should be better than the UAA, the CCIW, or any other league, but I'm sure the Mid-majors want to be better than the ACC as well. The beauty o f college sports is that, in the right situation a team from the PAC can make a run through the National Tournament. That the PAC will never have a team favored to win a National Championship doesn't make it inviable any more than it makes the Missouri Valley Conference or the A-10 a waste of time.

Not to rehash too much here, but wasn't this the same Lincoln team that scored 200 points on a team earlier in the year? Before you start tossing around phrases like "class act" consider what it is you are saying. They've come public with an apology and all, but that's the kind of stuff that classy people never have to apologize for.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 04, 2007, 02:50:26 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on March 03, 2007, 08:14:39 PM
Quote from: VernAlum on March 03, 2007, 09:23:23 AM
First off sorry my first post will be so negative.  WolfPac, why dont you start a new forum titled "Cabrini" and post until your heart is content.  Or even better why dont you apply for the Cabrini job, or even better yet take the Presidents job.  You seem to have all the answers.  Be proud that a PAC team had a good season but chose a bad time to have an off game.  Just because Cabrini has had some off years doesn't reflect the rest of the  PAC's success.  Everything you say goes right back to Cabrini or institutional neglect or conference neglect. Get over it, your living in the past. Congrats to Alvernia.

Vern,  Who was the person most responsible for creating the PAC?
Thats what I thought...............

Remember Alvernia is only good in the PAC... exception the year with Damien Hunter even though they got to the final 4  they did not win the PAC because of you know who.

If it is any consolation  congratulations to the Vern for winning the PAC but they only beat Immaculata who lost to you know who twice this year.  No hard feelings buddy.   Just that when a legend is gone the rest of the conference seems to benefit. 

As far as being stuck in the past....there is nothing really exciting in the PAC in the present in basketball unless you are a woman from GMC.
For what its worth Alvernia did win the PAC but thats about it.  I am sure your little Alvernia click is happy in their own world though and you should enjoy the moment of cutting the nets.  I must give your school credit though for having an administration who seems to care about athletics or it appears that way.
Wolfie, your ramblings are getting old.  Additionally, let's work on your grammar and spelling.  It's becoming really obvious that you graduated from Cabrini.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 04, 2007, 02:56:00 PM
Chair, excellent job there with the last post.

Additionally, I don't think the alignment of the conference is going to make a big difference on how the conference does nationally.  If the coaches can recruit and coach, and the players play to their potential, the conference will win more in and out of conference and will gain attention.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on March 04, 2007, 04:36:05 PM
I feel that I have to weigh in on the debate about the competitiveness of the Pennsylvania Athletic Conference.

The one important thing to remember about most of the schools in the PAC is that they are young schools who are going to need to take time and grow their academic reputation, financial endowments, facilities, and overall campus climate. Many of the schools in the MAC, Centennial and CAC are schools with over 100+ years of history, some of which who were once playing against the big boys. Muhlenberg, for example played in bowl games for football, and won at least one NIT title in basketball when that was HUGE!

Using my alma mater (Alvernia) as an example, when I started in 1997, there was no student center, they didn't have 4 of the student residences that they currently have, nor did they have as many sports offerings as they have right now. All those buildings are now there, along with an expanded (and impressive) science wing. Alvernia now has Lacrosse and Ice Hockey, and I believe when I started that their soccer programs were 3 years old. The Reading Police Academy is on campus as well.

It takes some time to build traditions up. Alvernia has had a plan, and they are doing a great job implimenting it. All good things take time to build. Other schools in the conference have managed to build new facilities (Cabrini, Marywood as examples) and are undergoing the same growth. The PAC schools compete in non-league games against schools who I would be willing to bet have larger endowments, thus those schools are going to have a built in advantage with attracting students with the carrot of more $$ for financial aid. Over time, I believe things will level out and the PAC will be at a competitive level with other conferences in the region.

The PAC will grow internally over time. It's going to take time, but the pieces are all in place. Give everything time to grow, and instead of criticizing the conference, enjoy the effort the players put into every contest.

And finally, and I am sure I might be in the minority, I would like to see Alvernia stay in the conference, being a charter member and all, although I do realize that going into the MAC would make sense from a lot of standpoints, not the least of which is the natural rivalry with Albright.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 04, 2007, 05:34:34 PM
Can't disagree but it always seems like the PAC is the weakest conference according to national public opinion even on the board.

Glad to hear there is hope based on all your posts at least.  I am not criticizing the PAC but rather trying to open eyes.  Seems as though the national powerhouses in those other conferences have consistency while the PAC has Alvernia. 

Marketing a D3 program is tougher due to academic priorities which is  why athletes are not going to be sold as easy.  We need more Chandlers and big guys.

Could the league not get together and devise a marketing/promotion plan for the PAC or D3 in general.   Strategically the first move would be to involve the comissioners of the conferences.  Get everyone on the same page and find a common ground which would stimulate athletic/ academic growth  in all these small private schools.  Realign the conferences strategically to benefit each institution.     Even the reward of winning the PAC deserves more than cutting the nets and a plaque.     Financially I know we are not ina D1 environment but the champions need to be recognized in the the national spotlight on a local basis with more attention and appreciation.    If a school gets to win the PAC and go to the NCAA there needs to be a financial reward from the PAC to the school such as money towards upgrading facilities or grants within compliance and rings issued by the commissioner for the champions.  The PAC cup not a presidents cup!   Sort of like the Stanley cup with tradition.  Sounds stupid but superficially it is a step.  The trophy would be at the school until the next champion.   Since the odds that someone from the PAC will never win the national championship. Something to increase motivation.  Getting the administration fully immersed is the objective to rid institutional neglect.  The Pac needs to establish tradition as a whole not just Alvernia or Cabrini.....

We have to attract more athletes by marketing the PAC. Get the fans involved more as well.  Students and scheduling need to be priorities.  Make the PAC more fan friendly.  Television coverage for playoffs at a local level.  We need to up the stakes now.
The basketball is real but the conference as a whole needs to get real with the commissioner making the first move.


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 04, 2007, 05:35:48 PM
If it feels more serious, it will become more serious.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 04, 2007, 05:45:24 PM
Maybe more fans could go to a game if there were better facilities available as well.  Parking sucks at Eastern,  Nuemann's gym is a joke.

We need more serious atmospheres.  The Vern LU game was a great atmosphere I understand from Jon.  This is what we need more often in all facilities.  It feels more like a game at Alvernia than EU or Nuemann.  GMC is better as well for being involved while Cabrini is in the middle of the road.
Things have to be addressed to establish baselines for the PAC.

May sound ridiculous to some but can't fault a man for trying to help.  I love the PAC but it seems to be going nowhere at times. 

I know.....money.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 04, 2007, 06:15:40 PM
Wolfie, you are more of a half-empty kind of guy, aren't you?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on March 04, 2007, 11:14:30 PM
I FEEL BAD FOR THE VERN BY DRAWING A VERY TALENTED LINCOLN TEAM. THE VERN AFTER GOING 23-4 WAS LOOKING TO POSSIBLY HOST NOT ONLY DO THEY DO NOT HOST A HOME GAME THEY GET TO PLAY LINCOLN ON THE ROAD WHICH WAS A RIDICULOUS DRAW. I ALSO THINK THEY COULD HAVE BEATEN CATHOLIC, MESSIAH AND JOHNS HOPKINS BECAUSE THEY MATCH UP WELL WITH THOSE TEAMS.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on March 04, 2007, 11:25:47 PM
HEY WOLFPACK HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN THE VERN PLAY. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2007, 12:23:57 AM
HEY MR. PAC WHY DON'T YOU turn off the caps lock. Thanks.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 05, 2007, 07:24:35 AM
Quote from: MR. PAC on March 04, 2007, 11:14:30 PM
I FEEL BAD FOR THE VERN BY DRAWING A VERY TALENTED LINCOLN TEAM. THE VERN AFTER GOING 23-4 WAS LOOKING TO POSSIBLY HOST NOT ONLY DO THEY DO NOT HOST A HOME GAME THEY GET TO PLAY LINCOLN ON THE ROAD WHICH WAS A RIDICULOUS DRAW. I ALSO THINK THEY COULD HAVE BEATEN CATHOLIC, MESSIAH AND JOHNS HOPKINS BECAUSE THEY MATCH UP WELL WITH THOSE TEAMS.
HEY, LET'S ALL TALK VERY LOUD FOR NO REASON. AND USE MULTIPLE SMILIES.  Mr. PAC, please, take off the caps.  It's a shame you haven't learned this yet.

Listen, Alvernia lost to Lincoln.  Which means they don't deserve to go any further in the tournament.  They get who they get.  I thought they were better than Lincoln, but they were beaten anyway.  Yes, they were probably better than Messiah and maybe Catholic, but I doubt the Vern could beat Hopkins.

Also, 23-4 isn't as respectable as one would think.  They lost to Cal-Luth and George Fox, both are average teams.  They only beat one very good team in B-W, but that was out of region and early.  With losses to Neumann and Gwynedd, two average teams with ho-hum records, there is little Alvernia could do to earn respect from the committee in giving them a host site.  QOWI, buddy.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 05, 2007, 08:58:52 AM
Quote from: MR. PAC on March 04, 2007, 11:25:47 PM
HEY WOLFPACK HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN THE VERN PLAY. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o


As many times as Cabrini has played a game there before you were born probably.                                                                                                      As many times Jack McCloskey lost to John Dzik?  I only saw Vern play once this year at GMC and the Immac game.   


How come I never see you at the Graveyard after a game at the Vern?

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on March 05, 2007, 05:51:08 PM
chizwiz, I agree with half of what you said. I think Alvernia could beat Johns Hopkins because Alvernia is a great three point shooting team, and I also think Johns Hopkins can't guard outside the three point area. And I don't know who could stop Matt King or Terrence Shawell on Johns Hopkins. WolfPac Coach Miller handed John Dzik his last loss ever.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 05, 2007, 07:28:42 PM
Quote from: MR. PAC on March 05, 2007, 05:51:08 PM
chizwiz, I agree with half of what you said. I think Alvernia could beat Johns Hopkins because Alvernia is a great three point shooting team, and I also think Johns Hopkins can't guard outside the three point area. And I don't know who could stop Matt King or Terrence Shawell on Johns Hopkins. WolfPac Coach Miller handed John Dzik his last loss ever.

Obviously Dzik lost and coached his last game at the Vern to Miller but I was at every game Cabrini played there including Miller's games as well as the 80 ft buzzer beater for the Pac crown.    Loved Damien Hunter being frustrated by Tim Anderlonis wasn't it great!  Your team was so good but could not win the PAC against Cabrini in a title game even with the cheap refs on your side.   No hard feelings, the Vern is the best the PAC has to offer these days.   Your institution is committed at least to your students which is better than Cabrini could even hope for at the moment.

It is hard to win a game living and dying on 3 pt shots.  Defense wins games with good coaching.  As you say if Hopkins can't defend the 3's then Alvernia has a win, but defense beats the 3 any day. 

The Vern should be proud at any rate, they are the PAC champions. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 05, 2007, 07:32:13 PM
Happy March Madness to all.

Enjoy the time of the season when you can sit back and just watch!

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on March 05, 2007, 08:50:14 PM
Alvernia on the front page of d3hoops
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on March 05, 2007, 09:07:32 PM
WolfPAC,

There are certainly those who would argue that the "80-foot buzzer-beater" that gave Cabrini one of their PAC titles (at Alvernia) didn't actually beat the buzzer.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on March 05, 2007, 09:16:18 PM
Thanks for bringing that one up left-hander...I wouldn't have been able to start it without the sour grapes alarm going off, but now that the subject has been opened up I believe it was Kenny Mayne who supported that very thought after a few replays oas ESPN's No. 1, Top Ten play that fatefull February day.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 05, 2007, 09:48:43 PM
The other ironic thing is that the guy who shot the 80 footer at the Vern

Kareem Brunson was a disappearing act.  Almost as if he came in and played just to make that shot.  I would not want to be an Alvernia fan on that day!  Just fate.

Anyhow..... thats the way it goes I won't dwell on the past though.

Seriously, Alvernia deserves credit for being the best team in the PAC and the most consistent team in the PAC.

I also must say whenever I attend a game at the PEC the staff as well as the food and ticket people are always courteous to everyone where ever one  may come from to see them play.  Just sometimes it can get emotional when the fans get into it.  Dangerous to get emotional when you are a player trying to focus though which is what happens often enough on the bench.

If the season is over for Pac basketball this year then I must honestly congratulate the Crusaders and thank Jon for a great season.  If all the schools in the PAc would take their sports as seriously as the admn at the Vern maybe the PAC would be even more formidable.

Thx for all your updates as well Jon.... very useful and informative.
Have a good off season unless you are going to follow the tournament.

Jon, Catholic does look a little dim, the refs tended to swallow the whistle as well whenever I was down there it seemed like they were not used to "Philly" ball inside ram it down the throat power like we used to do down there.  All in all though still the atmosphere was exciting.  Shopping for the wife was great as well down there.

If anyone gets any news on the realignment of the PAC would you be kind enough to post it.  Everyone out there have a good night.


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 06, 2007, 04:59:51 AM
WolfPAC--

Thanks for coming back. A couple responses to earlier posts and then I'll go away. First, in response to parking at Eastern. It is terrible, and the gym is small. I think K hit on a lot of things when he talked about young schools that are growing and need time to accumulate endowments and grow an alumni base. While the Eastern parking situation will never be great. There just is not available land. If you look at the cost per square foot of land in St. Davids, you know that EU will not be able to purchase land in any sizable quantity (Unless Cabrini goes up for sale ;)). the second problem is that the local governing bodies need to grant permission for the school to pull a weed, much less fell a tree. It's easy to say from the outside to tell the local governments to pound sand, but when you have two new residence halls in various stages of planning and construction, and you hope to build a new gym/ fitness center, and a new academic building in the near future, you have to jump through hoops for the township. As close as Cabrini and Eastern are, they deal with different township groups in permitting etc.

Secondly, your call for greater media attention to PAC accomplishments etc is something that the conference needs to address. Unfortunately for EU, Cabrini, Gwynedd-Mercy, and to a lesser extent Immaculata, they are all in a market with a lot of other collegiate action happening. PAC basketball gets several column inches in Scranton, Dallas, Reading, and Dover, but those are markets with slightly more available space. There are things being done, such as the Philly COSIDA All-Academic team that allow PAC Athletes to be recognized alongside kids from Villanova, Drexel, LaSalle, as well as Ursinus, Haverford, and Swarthmore. The PAC has done a pretty good job of getting kids on those lists. I believe there is a PAC player on the upcoming MBB list, which only has 5 guys on it.

In looking at the PAC as a whole, and it's overall health as an institution, I think there are a few simple things that can be done to up the quality of the league as an overall athletic conference. The first thing, ironically, has nothing to do with men's basketball. The first thing I would do if I were the conference commissioner would be to tell the three schools that do not admit men, that they have three choices. They can A) admit men and field teams for men's and women's sports. B) Demonstrate a genuine commitment to developing winning athletic programs through the hiring of full time coaches and institution of building plans, or C) leave. Rosemont and Cedar Crest would choose C) I believe Notre Dame would choose B) in the short run and maybe develop a plan for a. This is just my opinion, but I think that a 9/12 league with 3 teams on the women's side at or near the bottom of every sport every year is not a good paradigm. Immaculata has begun to make progress in a few key sports, and the others will follow over the next four to ten years, and the conference needs that.

The second thing I would do if I were the Commish would be to institute pressure on the presidents to establish minimum facility requirements (800-1000 person capacity with locker room space for four teams, wireless internet connection and working lights, ever notice how dim it is in a lot of the PAC gyms? That's a simple change that could make a big difference. I would demand that every institution fund at least an audio stream of every home basketball game, and would highly encourage the same for games in other seasons. Unfunded mandates stink, but pressure from the conference could help to further sell building projects at EU, Neumann, Centenary, and any of the women's colleges that stick around. Immaculata's gym could be retrofitted with a second side of bleachers (They could just bring in some from their soccer lacrosse facility which has seating for 27,000 people).

Finally, I would look at each sport and identify teams that finish in the bottom three for three or more consecutive years and examine the institutional responses. Institutions that do not respond, need to be prodded to respond. Their choice to sponsor a team in a given sport needs to be questioned, and institutions should have to develop a strategic plan for addressing the issue in that sport. The situation is not that common in basketball, Cedar Crest Women have been bottom two for several years running. Eastern's Women finished bottom two the last two years, but the institutional response has already been made, and there will be a change in leadership there. Cabrini's institutional response came after really just one year, and should Marywood finish in the bottom three (maybe the right number is bottom two) again next year, they should have to present to the league a strategic plan for changing things.

I don't know of any leagues that do such a thing, but I think that there needs to be accountability in the league for running entire athletic departments, and not just sponsoring a bunch of sports so that you can run a couple to win. As the athletic departments grow this way, the league will grow and basketball (which is the linchpin) will continue to get stronger and more competitive within the region.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on March 06, 2007, 06:05:28 AM
Is it safe to say that Alvernia and Miseri would have to stay out of the conference one year, or would they be allowed in for 07-08 immediately?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 06, 2007, 07:19:27 AM
Quote from: Coach K on March 06, 2007, 06:05:28 AM
Is it safe to say that Alvernia and Miseri would have to stay out of the conference one year, or would they be allowed in for 07-08 immediately?
I'm just thinking out loud here, but I think 07-08 start for Alvernia and Miseri in the Freedom is too early.  I imagine it would be 08-09 or 09-10.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 06, 2007, 09:57:20 AM
Alvernia was originally offered a spot at the same time as Arcadia, but something happened. I'm not sure whether they stepped away or whether the MAC rescinded their offer. There would be no way that fall scheduling could be redone to add two new teams to the Freedom. Had they offered the spots as soon as Scranton left, then they might have been able to take one in 07 and one in 08.
I'm not sold on the Freedom as a great League for Alvernia, and would not be surprised if both schools snubbed the MAC.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 06, 2007, 11:43:24 AM
Quote from: chairman on March 06, 2007, 04:59:51 AM
WolfPAC--

Thanks for coming back. A couple responses to earlier posts and then I'll go away. First, in response to parking at Eastern. It is terrible, and the gym is small. I think K hit on a lot of things when he talked about young schools that are growing and need time to accumulate endowments and grow an alumni base. While the Eastern parking situation will never be great. There just is not available land. If you look at the cost per square foot of land in St. Davids, you know that EU will not be able to purchase land in any sizable quantity (Unless Cabrini goes up for sale ;)). the second problem is that the local governing bodies need to grant permission for the school to pull a weed, much less fell a tree. It's easy to say from the outside to tell the local governments to pound sand, but when you have two new residence halls in various stages of planning and construction, and you hope to build a new gym/ fitness center, and a new academic building in the near future, you have to jump through hoops for the township. As close as Cabrini and Eastern are, they deal with different township groups in permitting etc.

Secondly, your call for greater media attention to PAC accomplishments etc is something that the conference needs to address. Unfortunately for EU, Cabrini, Gwynedd-Mercy, and to a lesser extent Immaculata, they are all in a market with a lot of other collegiate action happening. PAC basketball gets several column inches in Scranton, Dallas, Reading, and Dover, but those are markets with slightly more available space. There are things being done, such as the Philly COSIDA All-Academic team that allow PAC Athletes to be recognized alongside kids from Villanova, Drexel, LaSalle, as well as Ursinus, Haverford, and Swarthmore. The PAC has done a pretty good job of getting kids on those lists. I believe there is a PAC player on the upcoming MBB list, which only has 5 guys on it.

In looking at the PAC as a whole, and it's overall health as an institution, I think there are a few simple things that can be done to up the quality of the league as an overall athletic conference. The first thing, ironically, has nothing to do with men's basketball. The first thing I would do if I were the conference commissioner would be to tell the three schools that do not admit men, that they have three choices. They can A) admit men and field teams for men's and women's sports. B) Demonstrate a genuine commitment to developing winning athletic programs through the hiring of full time coaches and institution of building plans, or C) leave. Rosemont and Cedar Crest would choose C) I believe Notre Dame would choose B) in the short run and maybe develop a plan for a. This is just my opinion, but I think that a 9/12 league with 3 teams on the women's side at or near the bottom of every sport every year is not a good paradigm. Immaculata has begun to make progress in a few key sports, and the others will follow over the next four to ten years, and the conference needs that.

The second thing I would do if I were the Commish would be to institute pressure on the presidents to establish minimum facility requirements (800-1000 person capacity with locker room space for four teams, wireless internet connection and working lights, ever notice how dim it is in a lot of the PAC gyms? That's a simple change that could make a big difference. I would demand that every institution fund at least an audio stream of every home basketball game, and would highly encourage the same for games in other seasons. Unfunded mandates stink, but pressure from the conference could help to further sell building projects at EU, Neumann, Centenary, and any of the women's colleges that stick around. Immaculata's gym could be retrofitted with a second side of bleachers (They could just bring in some from their soccer lacrosse facility which has seating for 27,000 people).

Finally, I would look at each sport and identify teams that finish in the bottom three for three or more consecutive years and examine the institutional responses. Institutions that do not respond, need to be prodded to respond. Their choice to sponsor a team in a given sport needs to be questioned, and institutions should have to develop a strategic plan for addressing the issue in that sport. The situation is not that common in basketball, Cedar Crest Women have been bottom two for several years running. Eastern's Women finished bottom two the last two years, but the institutional response has already been made, and there will be a change in leadership there. Cabrini's institutional response came after really just one year, and should Marywood finish in the bottom three (maybe the right number is bottom two) again next year, they should have to present to the league a strategic plan for changing things.

I don't know of any leagues that do such a thing, but I think that there needs to be accountability in the league for running entire athletic departments, and not just sponsoring a bunch of sports so that you can run a couple to win. As the athletic departments grow this way, the league will grow and basketball (which is the linchpin) will continue to get stronger and more competitive within the region.


Glad you know what it takes!  You have grip on what is going on which is encouraging.   I can understand where you are coming from and I admit I did not realize it was as complicated to improve a facility.

Pressure from the PAC is what some of the weaker schools need in order to weed out the less than serious athletic departments who are only there for affiliation.  The problem is that the PAC must need those members as well for its survival financially and there are probably diehard fans even if they are constant losers.   

I agree with you if the facility upgrades occur it would make a school proud to have such a nice facility and then the sports will grow.  The attraction of the state of the art facility (on the PAC level) itself would get more students excited and people involved increasing the overall fan base in a natural growth environment. Sounds like the commish needs to give them all a kick in the pants.

Admitting men is a matter of athletic and academic survival... seems like Rosemont and Immac had to go coed to survive so why not have them go all the way with the athletic part which has to help them in marketing.

Just goes to show how important athletics are even at the D3 level which is why I harp on institutional neglect or laziness due to dollars and implementing athletic projects on strict budgets. Too many rules.

Thx for taking the time to describe your plans.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 06, 2007, 01:21:55 PM
WolfPAC:

You mentioned a key in your previous post regarding colleges and universities seeking to increase male enrollments.  That was one of many key factors that led the Lincoln Trustees to bringing back football along with a marching band.

Despite two posters on this board problems with Lincoln (One even posted a negative comment regarding a Lincoln Degree, referring to it as "a Lincoln Diploma"), that I had to email him privately regarding Lincoln's legacy compared to his Alma mater (which was only founded in 1925, and gained university status in 2001.

Anyway Lincoln which was an all male school since it's founding in 1854 and went coed in the mid 1960's and like many other mens colleges that now finds the majority of it's students women.  As part of the student life enhancement project, it was felt that bringing back football, a marching band and other programs to Lincoln would start to attract more men.

As a side note Lincoln's Manuel Rivero Hall Main Gym seats 2500 and was completed in 1972.  Recent improvements to the floor, and hopefully broadcasting quality lighting in the near future will further improve the athletic facility plant. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on March 06, 2007, 03:42:38 PM
I think Alvernia would be a real contender in both mac leagues.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 06, 2007, 09:25:49 PM
Quote from: njlincolnlion on March 06, 2007, 01:21:55 PM
WolfPAC:

You mentioned a key in your previous post regarding colleges and universities seeking to increase male enrollments.  That was one of many key factors that led the Lincoln Trustees to bringing back football along with a marching band.

Despite two posters on this board problems with Lincoln (One even posted a negative comment regarding a Lincoln Degree, referring to it as "a Lincoln Diploma"), that I had to email him privately regarding Lincoln's legacy compared to his Alma mater (which was only founded in 1925, and gained university status in 2001.

Anyway Lincoln which was an all male school since it's founding in 1854 and went coed in the mid 1960's and like many other mens colleges that now finds the majority of it's students women.  As part of the student life enhancement project, it was felt that bringing back football, a marching band and other programs to Lincoln would start to attract more men.

As a side note Lincoln's Manuel Rivero Hall Main Gym seats 2500 and was completed in 1972.  Recent improvements to the floor, and hopefully broadcasting quality lighting in the near future will further improve the athletic facility plant. 


Thats all nonsense, an LU degree is just as good or even better than other degrees. I hate stereotypes and labels which is what causes problems for all people.   It comes down what the person does with their degree and how the person applies ones skills to the world job market.   Sure I wish I could have afforded or been privledged enough to get to Harvard and be a president but a Lincoln degree is something to be proud of no matter what ignorance or insensitivity may deem otherwise.

Seems like LU is a prime example of what a facility can do for athletics just by being built.  The athletic atmosphere brings character, team sports, and a sense of collegiate unity to the institution which only enhances everyones experience academically, socially, and physically.   The fact that the independent label applies to LU is irrelevant. 

Lu needs to be proud as well for reaching a "University status" and puts the region on the map better than some PAC schools.  Perhaps LU could be in the PAC.  ----Just a thought.  LU is definitely worthy of national recognition which is what the PAC needs.     
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 06, 2007, 09:38:05 PM
WolfPAC:

Thanks for your kind words and support of Lincoln.  Lincoln will be a provisional division 2 school next year and will be fully D2 in two years and members of the CIAA (Central Intercollegiate Athletic Association)conference of which Lincoln was a founding member of the conference in 1912.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 06, 2007, 09:51:56 PM
I don't know a thing about Lincoln academically, so I don't purport to represent anything on that front.

If you've read the CAC board, NJ, then you know what I think about the way Lincoln plays basketball, which IS entirely relevant.  I came in knowing relatively little about the program, other than the headlines on the 201 point game and the fact that you are a regular contributor to the board.  For most of the game, I was impressed with the talent level, but that gave way to disgust with the way Lincoln conducted itself at the end of the game.

Either you didn't see my posts on the CAC board, or you perhaps wisely chose not to respond, because the actions of the Lincoln players in terms of poor sportsmanship and egotistical basketball were not defensible.  I know that I ran a conference, I wouldn't want that team anywhere near it.

In any event, its now been brought to my attention that there are nine players on the Lincoln roster that did not play for Lincoln last year and are not freshman.  That's an unusually high number and really makes me wonder exactly what kind of program is being run there.   I know they are going D2 next year, but right now they are a division 3 school competing against division 3 talent.  I'm pretty sure none of the teams they're facing brought in 9 guys in one offseason.

There's no real remedy here--Lincoln qualified for the tournament fair and square.  But the more I know about the Lincoln, the more I think that the Alvernia fans and now us Catholic fans perhaps have a fairly legitimate beef about exactly what kind of team ended their season. 

Perhaps there's an explanation here--I'd love to hear it.   
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on March 06, 2007, 10:22:20 PM
Matt, I agree that you go through a whole season and it comes to an end verses a team like Lincoln. I don't won't to come off like sour grapes but how do you prepare for a team like Lincoln. There are 25 players that played during the season some off, some on, some suspended, some elgible, some inelgible, and who is running the ship.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 06, 2007, 11:37:30 PM
Exactly.  And I realize its easy to dismiss what I'm saying, because my team did have its season ended by Lincoln.  And yes, I do think that Catholic could beat some teams still playing.

But honestly, I just never knew what the deal was with Lincoln until we played them, so I couldn't comment.  Now I can, and I'm kind of horrified.  Its a real shame that they ended anybody's season.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 07, 2007, 07:25:25 AM
Well, thankfully, Lincoln won't be ending any d3 seasons after this year.  Yes, they are not a team of class (201 points) and seem to be mercenaries with the amount of players they bring in who stay for a year and go.

Again, d2 is academically weak.  Lincoln fits well in it.  And the PAC would not allow Lincoln in.  It would be worse academically than Neumann.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2007, 10:14:48 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 06, 2007, 09:51:56 PMI was impressed with the talent level, but that gave way to disgust with the way Lincoln conducted itself at the end of the game.
In any event, its now been brought to my attention that there are nine players on the Lincoln roster that did not play for Lincoln last year and are not freshman.  That's an unusually high number and really makes me wonder exactly what kind of program is being run there. I'm pretty sure none of the teams they're facing brought in 9 guys in one offseason.

How did Lincoln conduct itself after the Catholic game?
Who is the person or website that brought to your attention about the nine new players Lincoln has on its roster and why didn't they have the onions to post it?
Some of us up here in the Northeast part of PA think you're going to be a blast on the Landmark board with your whining. There are also some that wonder if you're related to ColonelJohn.
Anyway, we'd like to hear the answers to the above questions.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 07, 2007, 10:41:10 AM
chizwiz:

You are the person that I personally emailed to take you tothe task regarding Lincoln's academic reputation.  Have you ever taken a course at Lincoln to have an opinion regarding the quality of a Lincoln degree?  This is from some who's scjool Eastern was founded in 1925, and acheived university status in 2001.

Lincoln founded in 1854 that counts Thurgood Marshall, Langston Hughes, Kwame Nkrumah, Monte Irvin, Cab Calloway as alumni would measure up aganist any alums from Eastern University.

As I mentioned in my personal post to you, I may have to question my pastor's recent doctorate from Eastern Theological/Palmer since he teaches us every week to "judge not, lest we be judged also".

Your negative opinons regarding Lincoln (i.e. d2 academically) seems to consume you, but I will continue to pray for you and count you as a friend in much the same manner that Jesus' teaches us.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 07, 2007, 10:42:37 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 07, 2007, 10:14:48 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 06, 2007, 09:51:56 PMI was impressed with the talent level, but that gave way to disgust with the way Lincoln conducted itself at the end of the game.
In any event, its now been brought to my attention that there are nine players on the Lincoln roster that did not play for Lincoln last year and are not freshman.  That's an unusually high number and really makes me wonder exactly what kind of program is being run there. I'm pretty sure none of the teams they're facing brought in 9 guys in one offseason.

How did Lincoln conduct itself after the Catholic game?
Who is the person or website that brought to your attention about the nine new players Lincoln has on its roster and why didn't they have the onions to post it?
Some of us up here in the Northeast part of PA think you're going to be a blast on the Landmark board with your whining. There are also some that wonder if you're related to ColonelJohn.
Anyway, we'd like to hear the answers to the above questions.
coldcase,
Yes, Letourneau is whining a bit too much and it sounds like some making of excuses for a loss.  However, his points about Lincoln "Diploma Also Doubles As Toilet Paper" University are valid.  They are known as mercenaries, thugs, and some have even called it the All-Prison Crew (not my words).  I tend to think they are coached by a guy who doesn't know the game well but picks up great (and I mean athletic) basketball players . . . and lots of them.  How they get them in there and what kind of monies are offered are not known.  We do know that it only takes a beating heart (usually) and a desire to attend class (sometimes) to get admitted into Lincoln College, ahem, University.  Excuse me.

By the way, why is it that people seem to think that once a college becomes a university that it is such a big deal?  I guess Boston College isn't that great of a school compared to LU.  I wonder what Swarthmore and Haverford feel like when njlincoln infers that a university educates better.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 07, 2007, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: njlincolnlion on March 07, 2007, 10:41:10 AM
chizwiz:

You are the person that I personally emailed to take you tothe task regarding Lincoln's academic reputation.  Have you ever taken a course at Lincoln to have an opinion regarding the quality of a Lincoln degree?  This is from some who's scjool Eastern was founded in 1925, and acheived university status in 2001.

Lincoln founded in 1854 that counts Thurgood Marshall, Langston Hughes, Kwame Nkrumah, Monte Irvin, Cab Calloway as alumni would measure up aganist any alums from Eastern University.

As I mentioned in my personal post to you, I may have to question my pastor's recent doctorate from Eastern Theological/Palmer since he teaches us every week to "judge not, lest we be judged also".

Your negative opinons regarding Lincoln (i.e. d2 academically) seems to consume you, but I will continue to pray for you and count you as a friend in much the same manner that Jesus' teaches us.


Do you mean this e-mail?:  "I was quite dissappointed with your character assasination of Lincoln University referring to it's degree as a "Lincoln Diploma".  I have a Lincoln University Degree and I am quite successful and proud of my alma mater.

I may have to question my pastor's doctorate he received from Eastern Theological, now Palmer Seminary in 2002, about whether Eastern University with it's Baptist roots continue to teach the doctrine "Love the neighbor as thyself".

In the event you haven't visited Lincoln's website, the university has a long (founded 1854) and proud history.  A former Supreme Court Justice, world renowed poets, athletes (Monte Irvin), entertainers and world leaders are counted among the alumni.

I would put Lincoln legacy up aganist Eastern's and other schools regardless of NCAA division status anyday.

May God continue to bless you my friend."
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2007, 10:56:52 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on March 07, 2007, 10:42:37 AM
Quote from: cold_case on March 07, 2007, 10:14:48 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 06, 2007, 09:51:56 PMI was impressed with the talent level, but that gave way to disgust with the way Lincoln conducted itself at the end of the game.
In any event, its now been brought to my attention that there are nine players on the Lincoln roster that did not play for Lincoln last year and are not freshman.  That's an unusually high number and really makes me wonder exactly what kind of program is being run there. I'm pretty sure none of the teams they're facing brought in 9 guys in one offseason.

How did Lincoln conduct itself after the Catholic game?
Who is the person or website that brought to your attention about the nine new players Lincoln has on its roster and why didn't they have the onions to post it?
Some of us up here in the Northeast part of PA think you're going to be a blast on the Landmark board with your whining. There are also some that wonder if you're related to ColonelJohn.
Anyway, we'd like to hear the answers to the above questions.
coldcase,
Yes, Letourneau is whining a bit too much and it sounds like some making of excuses for a loss.  However, his points about Lincoln "Diploma Also Doubles As Toilet Paper" University are valid.  They are known as mercenaries, thugs, and some have even called it the All-Prison Crew (not my words).  I tend to think they are coached by a guy who doesn't know the game well but picks up great (and I mean athletic) basketball players . . . and lots of them.  How they get them in there and what kind of monies are offered are not known.  We do know that it only takes a beating heart (usually) and a desire to attend class (sometimes) to get admitted into Lincoln College, ahem, University.  Excuse me.

By the way, why is it that people seem to think that once a college becomes a university that it is such a big deal?  I guess Boston College isn't that great of a school compared to LU.  I wonder what Swarthmore and Haverford feel like when njlincoln infers that a university educates better.


I would love to know the circumstances around that.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 07, 2007, 10:57:18 AM
Matt:

I posted previously that after listening to the final two minutes of the game I was annoyed with Garrick Wooten's senseless flagrant foul.  I believe I said that judgement errors like that would cost the Lions in close games.  I also agree that Blanton's missed dunk wasn't necessary.

I know that Lincoln has been under a microscope since the OSU-Marion, and some people will use every excuse to put down the program, from calling the players thugs, to questioning the legacy of an entire institution based on one basketball game.  The administration and coach suspended six players (some starters and key players) mid December for violation of team rules, and the squad still beat a ranked North Central in Orlando.  A freshman and key player, JaJuan Robinson was declared academically ineligable for the second semester and will not play until he meets the university's academic standards.

I have followed Lincoln's Basketball team closely for the last six years, and they were horrible.  I went to games at Montclair state and other d3 schools in my area, and the Lions were basically "fodder" to pad other teams records.  Three years ago, an effort was made to put a good product on the floor, and now other d3 teams don't want to schedule the Lions.  If you look at Lincoln schedule many of the teams were d2 and NAIA schools.  The NJAC was the only conference that scheduled a significant number of games with Lincoln.  Life as an independent is bad, and you take games as they come.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 07, 2007, 10:59:55 AM
1 Karma point to the first person who can tell me what the following people were famous for:  Monte Irvin, Cab Calloway, and Kwame Nkrumah.

By the way, you will not be educating me with this information.  I also don't think any of these people measure up to EU's most famous alum, Tony Campolo.  He could be more influential than any man I have ever met.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 07, 2007, 11:01:05 AM
chizwiz:

My comments are about Lincoln and Eastern, why bring Boston College Swarthmore, etc. into the conversation?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 07, 2007, 11:03:41 AM
If you don't know who Monte Irvin, Kwame Nkrumah, and Cab Calloway are, then, I'll just let other posters on the boards help you out.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2007, 11:34:44 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on March 07, 2007, 10:59:55 AM
1 Karma point to the first person who can tell me what the following people were famous for:  Monte Irvin, Cab Calloway, and Kwame Nkrumah.

Monte Irvin was a baseball legend with the Giants; I believe Calloway was an band leader; Kwame Nkrumah I'm not sure of but I'll take a shot, did he run a taco stand?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 07, 2007, 11:41:41 AM
two out of three is not bad  ;D .  Kwame Nkrumah was the first president of Ghana.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 07, 2007, 11:48:02 AM
This is not about academic integrity its about losing a basketball game to an independent status institution.   LU is a good school.   EU is a good school.  Stop and realize at least all of you are getting or have gotten college degrees. 



Why attack the institution?  Alvernia lost plain and simple.  What if Alvernia lost to Immaculata in the title game?   Guess someone would be attacking Immaculata as well.  Human nature.

Put all that negative energy into something constructive in promoting D3 basketball.   

At least you guys aren't from Cabrini  ........... the backstabbing capital of the world.     
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 07, 2007, 11:51:18 AM
WolPAC:

You couldn't have said it better my friend.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 07, 2007, 03:12:43 PM
Chiz-

I think Thurgood Marshall is the trump card there, with Hughes being a close second. The historical names have it. Now that being said, there are significant questions concerning the MO of Lincoln's meteoric rise from an also ran to back to back "sweet 16" member.

I'm not familiar enough with the players or the institution to make judgments on the situation with any degree of certainty, but I wonder at what price glory? Did the institution with deep historical roots sell its soul to win games? I think the only people who can answer that question are the people in their athletic administration and who are close enough to the situation to know how nine non-freshmen first year players show up on a roster. 

I know that DIII requires an internal review every two years of financial aid practices to make sure that athletes are receiving aid at the same level as comparably equipped students from the rest of the university. With an eye for DII, it would be easy to turn a blind eye to "athademic scholarships" and other irregularities. Further, it would be interesting to see how admissions practices were tweaked to admit basketball players. Schools have the opportunity to do as they please that way, (although the clearing house is going to be a bear if they have been bending things.), but those things eventually catch up. You can't sell yourself as an historically significant institution that has decided to set aside academic standards in the interests of winning basketball games.

I have a problem with the leadership of a program that obscenely runs up the score early in the year, apologizes for it, and then fails to realize the necessity of being on your best behavior under the spotlight. Of course, the coach was the one who let Sammie Wylie make 23 three-pointers in a 200 point win, so why would they listen to little things like not rubbing salt in the wound by dunking on opponents at the conclusion of already decided contests. If you want to be seen as being high class, you have got to be high class.

If Lincoln wins a national championship with 16 guys who don't graduate and who don't learn about conducting themselves in a first class way, what have they gained? I have the utmost respect for the tradition of Lincoln University, and would love to see it hold it's athletic program to a higher standard on the things that really matter.

As an alum, NJLincoln, you want to feel proud of the way the young men of the institution conduct themselves while wearing the orange and blue. I would encourage you to do everything in your power as an alum to articulate how important it is for the team to win the right way.




Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 07, 2007, 04:53:24 PM
I love it when a team blows somebody out and dunks its butt off even if they are up by 30 pts.  Gets emotions flowing especially if my team is winning.   

It happens when a team is superior to another team no matter the make up or style of play.  If a Pac team schedules a game against an independent and that happens that too bad!    If LU is that horrible in its conduct why do the PAC schools continue to play them?

All I know if my team was defensive enough there would not be many dunks but people would be layed out on the ground trying to rub the salt in my wounds.  I think there may be an intimidation factor with playing LU but they are beatable when a real team concept is implemented the right way.  Have to execute with a good coach behind you instead of downing a program like LU which creates competition despite how it runs its program.

Now, if I am wrong and LU is breaking all kinds of so called compliances in D3 I may feel differently.   I know some schools in the PAC who have guys who are today and gone tomorrow as well.   LU is good school but if they choose to run their program their way and win championships w/o complying (alledgedly) then LU admn must live with it.

Its not whether you win or lose but how you play the game you are saying...?  Where is the investigative body of the PAC enforcing the rules?  How could they apply rules to schools that are not in a conference and are independent.  If a school gets a really bad reputation isn't it easier for all the other schools to just stop accepting games?

If nobody plays a school they cannot win anything !   Therefore LU cannot be that out of compliance and they have a program that is in complliance so bashing them is making no sense.  Rather beating up on them with a good team makes sense.
   
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: sludge on March 07, 2007, 05:13:06 PM
Greetings from the Old Dominion Athletic (ODAC) conference.

Is LU an intimidating type of team, then?  I'd like to hear more about their style of play and what to look for.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 07, 2007, 08:14:53 PM
chairman:

Thank you for your considerate response and let me help you understand the program that I have followed the last five years.  I don't understand your question about nine non freshman first year players.

I looked at the 18 players on the roster and have found five freshmen that we don't need to review.  There are three Sophmores, Dante Blanton who came to lincoln and played as a freshman.  There is a link www.bmorehoops.com that found while googling under Dante Blanton that proved his freshman status as he was a Dunbar player who had not decided on which college to attend,  Keyon Johnson, is playing in his first season, and I don't have any information on Rashawn Dennis.  there are seven juniors.  Tyreek Byard has played for 2 years after transferring from Temple based on John Chaney's reccomendation.  Brandon Wilchcombe is a junior college player from Gloucester Community College in New Jersey.  Earl White, Darryl White, Fred Luke and Garrick Wooten has been with the program three years.  Wooten came to Lincoln with his Randallstown (MD)  teamate John Bunch who was a 7 footer, and led the nation (DIII) in blocked shots as a freshman.  Bunch transferred to Monmouth University (NJ) after his freshman year.  Ebbert Barnes I have no information on and if you look at the stats, he dosen't contribute all that much.  Seniors Sami Wylie and Thomas Lahart have been with Lincoln playing for three years. Dwight Dean, who was not listed is in his second season after transferring from South Carolina State,  Freshman JaJuan Robinson, a key conributor earlier in the season was ruled academically ineligible for the second semester.

My problem with chizwiz had to do with making comments on the Lincoln's legacy, and academic reputation without having the facts.  I for one had a problem with the 201 points, and when I found out they were replacement  (with two bench and the coach) players, because OSU-Marion (a d3 provisional program)  staters did not make the trip, and the school was a last minute fill in for a DII school that dropped out, it still didn't make it right. 

Lincoln is a fine institution, and has had a tremendous Track program without any NCAA infractions for more than 20 years as witnessed by the 16 NCAA DIII Championships, so there were no athademic case for the Track Team, and the New AD from DII Mankato Sate in MN would not jepordize Lincoln's application into DII.  Even with Lincoln changing divisions, the NCAA still has control over student /athlete requirements.

I hope I've cleared some of the issues up regarding Lincoln's men's Basketball team, and trust me I along with Thousands of Lincoln Alumni around the world would not aloow anyne, any team, or situation tarnish a legacy of 153 years.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 07, 2007, 09:16:35 PM
Go Lincoln!

You don't need to explain yourself to anyone just keep winning and don't listen to the hogwash and jealousy.

LU is a fine institution, maybe I will go back to school and get my doctorate there in the near future.

Seems like the school is serious and has athletes who come to play! !
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on March 07, 2007, 10:16:40 PM
WolfPAC,

You earlier asked why PAC schools "continue to play [Lincoln]" if Lincoln is so horrible in its conduct.  A quick survey shows no PAC school has scheduled Lincoln since the 05-06 season when your Cavs hosted the Lions.  This conversation has stemmed from NCAA Championship games where teams have no say in who is scheduled.

Since I've opened my mouth, I'll post some of my opinions...there's a little too much anger from the Lions on the floor.  Case in point from the first round...Alvernia senior Ryan Finger extended a hand to help a Lincoln player off the court after the two collided going after the ball.  The Lincoln player wanted to part in the assistance, and instead chose to roll over the other direction to avoid the hand.  That in and of itself isn't enough to warrant mention, but when an official comes over to explain Finger's intent and the Lincoln player makes an effort to turn his head away from and pay no attention to the official that's when I take exception.  The world's not out to get you, it's just an opponent trying to act in a sporting manner.

Unfortunately I was not able to stay in D.C. for Saturday's game, but according to what I've heard, the way the Lions handled the last few possessions of the game does nothing to improve the image.  I'm not going to comment to the character of the entire institution based on the action of a small percentage of its students, in this case, student-athletes.  I don't think it's fair to the history of the school, but I do think the current players could stand a refresher on the concept of "representing the institution."

Sludge, welcome to the PAC Chat.  Here's what I think you can expect from the Middle-Atlantic representative in your sectional.  The game isn't over until you hit 00:00.  Ask any of the opponents listed under "20-plus point comeback" in the Lincoln postseason media guide, but also check with the defending national champion, which I believe overcame a late, sizeable deficit in last-year's one-point win over Lincoln.  The Lions will shoot early in the clock at any point in the game from any place on the floor.  I would venture to say the concept of "time and score" isn't throughly studied at Lincoln.  They have a style and it's played for 40 minutes.

Offensively Lincoln has as many if not more athletes than any other team in the tournament (that statement is largely opinion since I haven't seen all teams in the tournament).  The guards are strong, quick, and physical.  If they shoot a decent percentage they'll be tough to beat.  They can win the game without winning the turnover battle.  I would venture to say that on any other team the offense would run through Byard, a more than capable post player, but he and Dean seem content to track down long range missfires and score second-chance points.

Looks like a good weekend to be in the Va. Beach area.  All three games should be high-level Division III contests.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 07, 2007, 11:29:35 PM
For the record--

Despite having attempted a whole bunch of them, Lincoln never actually completed a dunk against Catholic.  But in case some of you missed it, here's what happened in the last 11 seconds of that game.

Catholic was down 12, I believe and doing what every team down double digits tries to do--score quickly.  They had pulled their seniors at that point and were letting the underclassman get a taste of the NCAA Tournament.  Freshman Danny Quinn (a back up) had the ball in the paint area and turned to take a shot.  The Lincoln player guarding him then literally reached around his neck with his hands and tried to swat away the ball.  He did it with such force that his arms squeezed around Quinn's neck, and Danny fell to the ground VERY hard.  If it were the NFL, the defender would have been called for a horsecollar tackle, it was the same exact motion.  The officials immediately ran in to attend to Quinn and all three at once made the intentional foul call.  Keep in mind, the foul was called on the team that was UP 12.   Lincoln should not have even been playing tight defense at that point.  Fouling is an absolute no-no, but an intentional foul? That's just plain out of control anger.

So Catholic shoots its free throws, gets the balls back, again tries to score quickly.  The ball is rebounded by Lincoln with 8 seconds left.  The Lincoln player takes off down the court on a fast break.  Instead of pulling up and holding the ball like 99.9% of sportsman would do, he decides it would be a great time to try a reverse dunk.  So with a second or two left, he dribbles on up, elevantes really high--and blows his dunk.  Buzzer goes off, game over.

And you wonder why I have a problem with Lincoln?  I've seen a lot of basketball at this level, and I've never seen anything so disrespectful in my life.

I make no comment about anything other than what I saw on the court--that's the wrong way to play, and I hope somebody can hang with them, because Lincoln will likely fall apart and those cocky players can learn a lesson.  An out of control team in a victory becomes an impossible team to control when they are trailing. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 08, 2007, 12:25:17 AM
LeTourneau, good stuff there.  I agree with you wholeheartedly on sportsmanship and standards of play.

lincolnlion, please remind me why you are even posting in this area.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2007, 01:02:52 AM
I don't think he's said anything that deserves that kind of response, chiz.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 08, 2007, 08:56:35 AM
Quote from: Jon on March 07, 2007, 10:16:40 PM
WolfPAC,

You earlier asked why PAC schools "continue to play [Lincoln]" if Lincoln is so horrible in its conduct.  A quick survey shows no PAC school has scheduled Lincoln since the 05-06 season when your Cavs hosted the Lions.  This conversation has stemmed from NCAA Championship games where teams have no say in who is scheduled.

Since I've opened my mouth, I'll post some of my opinions...there's a little too much anger from the Lions on the floor.  Case in point from the first round...Alvernia senior Ryan Finger extended a hand to help a Lincoln player off the court after the two collided going after the ball.  The Lincoln player wanted to part in the assistance, and instead chose to roll over the other direction to avoid the hand.  That in and of itself isn't enough to warrant mention, but when an official comes over to explain Finger's intent and the Lincoln player makes an effort to turn his head away from and pay no attention to the official that's when I take exception.  The world's not out to get you, it's just an opponent trying to act in a sporting manner.

Unfortunately I was not able to stay in D.C. for Saturday's game, but according to what I've heard, the way the Lions handled the last few possessions of the game does nothing to improve the image.  I'm not going to comment to the character of the entire institution based on the action of a small percentage of its students, in this case, student-athletes.  I don't think it's fair to the history of the school, but I do think the current players could stand a refresher on the concept of "representing the institution."

Sludge, welcome to the PAC Chat.  Here's what I think you can expect from the Middle-Atlantic representative in your sectional.  The game isn't over until you hit 00:00.  Ask any of the opponents listed under "20-plus point comeback" in the Lincoln postseason media guide, but also check with the defending national champion, which I believe overcame a late, sizeable deficit in last-year's one-point win over Lincoln.  The Lions will shoot early in the clock at any point in the game from any place on the floor.  I would venture to say the concept of "time and score" isn't throughly studied at Lincoln.  They have a style and it's played for 40 minutes.

Offensively Lincoln has as many if not more athletes than any other team in the tournament (that statement is largely opinion since I haven't seen all teams in the tournament).  The guards are strong, quick, and physical.  If they shoot a decent percentage they'll be tough to beat.  They can win the game without winning the turnover battle.  I would venture to say that on any other team the offense would run through Byard, a more than capable post player, but he and Dean seem content to track down long range missfires and score second-chance points.

Looks like a good weekend to be in the Va. Beach area.  All three games should be high-level Division III contests.


Jon,

Is this code of conduct on the floor out of excitement, ignorance, emotions, or poor sportsmanship?

Your point is well-taken about PAC schools not scheduling the team.  Is this because of their style of play or an automatic lose to a schedule? 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 08, 2007, 09:09:28 AM
Also not dwelling on the past,  but Cabrini used to play LU many times in the past and beat them out in the sticks or at Cabrini.

I know times have changed in 25 years, but somehow they were beatable with the big men the Cavs had back then. 

This seems to tell me how the PAC is down a bit in terms of basketball big men who can take it to people.  The game seems to have smaller athletes who are much quicker these days.  Back in 80's the guys were much bigger for Cabrini and could handle those guys banging erratically for rebounds.

Has the game or type of player changed that much due to D3 status and compliances or is it more organized with a different kind of profile for the typical pac player?

If you look at the NBA I don't see those huge dominating SKILLED centers anymore either.   Where do they all go these days?

On the other hand within the PAC a team like the Vern who plays team ball the way the game is supposed to be played does very well in the PAC but when they face a team of players like LU which is out of character for the PAC a lose is the result.   Needless to say,  why and how then does the NCAA allow this situation to happen?   Is the pac the weakest conference even if the Vern is a team capable of going far into the tournament and ignored so the NCAA just throws LU at us or what?

Why wouldn't a ranked team draw LU?   Seems like the length of NCAA affiliation could have pull?

Or... is it just the way the region is set up to work?  I think LU is a bit intimidating to play with their style but is that part of their game plan if they only run around and throw bombs? 

Seems something is not right.

 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 08, 2007, 09:48:48 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2007, 01:02:52 AM
I don't think he's said anything that deserves that kind of response, chiz.

Pat:

I realize some posts are not worth the effort when it comes to chizwiz.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 08, 2007, 11:40:01 AM
Jon:

I appreciate your post, and good luck to the Crusaders in the MAC (based on d3hoops) main page announcement.

I don't expect many Mid-Atlantic fans to root for Lincoln in the sweet sixteen (the sole remaining Mid-Atlantic team left in the tournament), but fair and balanced comments from posters are great.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: balls a dunkin on March 08, 2007, 12:02:59 PM
njlincolnlion,
  you have my support.  GO LIONS.
Quote from: chairman on March 07, 2007, 03:12:43 PM


I have a problem with the leadership of a program that obscenely runs up the score early in the year, apologizes for it, and then fails to realize the necessity of being on your best behavior under the spotlight. Of course, the coach was the one who let Sammie Wylie make 23 three-pointers in a 200 point win, so why would they listen to little things like not rubbing salt in the wound by dunking on opponents at the conclusion of already decided contests. If you want to be seen as being high class, you have got to be high class.

Then why have records.  Records are made to broken.  I would would have done the same thing as a coach.  With that being said, don't bash the players or coach, bash that damn ball that kept finding the bottom of the net. ;)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: sludge on March 08, 2007, 02:38:29 PM
Jon, thanks for the description of Lincoln's style.  Matt, thanks for the update on the Catholic game.

It's sure that Guilford, Virginia Wesleyan and Mississippi College will be very intimidated by Lincoln's presence in the round of 16, but they'll try to show and and bring their best games anyway!   ;)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on March 08, 2007, 03:13:05 PM
If Alvernia keeps getting better and better each year. They will dominate in the Mac.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on March 08, 2007, 03:28:38 PM
It's official sports fans.  Alvernia President Tom Flynn announced today that Alvernia has officially accepted the MAC's invitation for full-time membership.

Visit the Alvernia website (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/News/gen/2007/3/8/070308mac_conference.asp?path=gen) for complete information.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cold_case on March 08, 2007, 03:33:41 PM
Quote from: MR. PAC on March 08, 2007, 03:13:05 PM
If Alvernia keeps getting better and better each year. They will dominate in the Mac.

Which arm do you take it in? ::)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 08, 2007, 04:16:15 PM
For those of you who think the PAC is not down........

Alvernia then who?

The bottom of the barrell will be left and the championship will be a tournament of what?

Who is filling in for the Vern in the PAC?   AC/DEsalles is gone, Vern is gone,
Misery may be gone so who is coming in or who is going to be left?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 08, 2007, 04:20:10 PM
Quote from: balls a dunkin on March 08, 2007, 12:02:59 PM
njlincolnlion,
  you have my support.  GO LIONS.
Quote from: chairman on March 07, 2007, 03:12:43 PM


I have a problem with the leadership of a program that obscenely runs up the score early in the year, apologizes for it, and then fails to realize the necessity of being on your best behavior under the spotlight. Of course, the coach was the one who let Sammie Wylie make 23 three-pointers in a 200 point win, so why would they listen to little things like not rubbing salt in the wound by dunking on opponents at the conclusion of already decided contests. If you want to be seen as being high class, you have got to be high class.

Then why have records.  Records are made to broken.  I would would have done the same thing as a coach.  With that being said, don't bash the players or coach, bash that damn ball that kept finding the bottom of the net. ;)

balls:

Thanks for your support.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 08, 2007, 04:20:55 PM
WolfPAC:

How many teams have left the PAC so far?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 08, 2007, 09:19:13 PM
Balls- Read the whole quote.

There is a right way and a wrong way. As important as winning is, there are more important things than college basketball. If Lincoln's administration and alums are comfortable with the nonsense at the end of the Catholic game, then maybe I am giving Lincoln too much credit.

Check the box score to see how many shots Wylie took to get his 21 threes. I have no problem with Wylie shooting as much as he wants when the game is within 20, but once the lead creeps up over 100 it is probably best to let the other guys play.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 08, 2007, 09:27:13 PM
Quote from: njlincolnlion on March 08, 2007, 04:20:55 PM
WolfPAC:

How many teams have left the PAC so far?

Well,  Allentown (AC), now Alvernia, Arcadia?, Misericordia? Wesley

But  the Vern is a big loss as was Allentown.  Seems like the PAC is going nowhere as Pat Coleman implied.

Where is the realignement taking the PAC?  Wow is GMC next or will Immac be the new dynasty in the PAC?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 08, 2007, 09:29:12 PM
Quote from: chairman on March 08, 2007, 09:19:13 PM
Balls- Read the whole quote.

There is a right way and a wrong way. As important as winning is, there are more important things than college basketball. If Lincoln's administration and alums are comfortable with the nonsense at the end of the Catholic game, then maybe I am giving Lincoln too much credit.

Check the box score to see how many shots Wylie took to get his 21 threes. I have no problem with Wylie shooting as much as he wants when the game is within 20, but once the lead creeps up over 100 it is probably best to let the other guys play.



Looking at the situation from your perspective,  this could seem a bit disrespectful or selfish but again human nature breeds greed.   Perhaps someone needs a little more attention they did not get at an earlier age...
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 08, 2007, 09:30:36 PM
At least there is lacrosse to look forward to if you follow Cabrini they are unstoppable in the PAC.   


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 08, 2007, 09:35:33 PM
Chiz,

Did you hear anything about new coaches or existing coaches being considered for the helm of the 07-08 Cavs... official or not official or rumours of any sorts.

What about the status of the AD?   Someone posted something back further the AD was a finalist at another college and I even read the campus may be for sale in a spin as well.   Any news?

Maybe Eu is going to take over the PAC now with this realignment thing.

Does Chestnut Hill have a mens team?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 08, 2007, 09:56:03 PM
The news from Cabrini is that it will be a full time job. Haven't heard anything more than that.

The drop to seven schools with men puts the PAC in a perilous situation for AQ's in a whole bunch of sports. There is no guaranteeing that the movement is all complete either.

Chestnut Hill, who showed interest to the PAC before the league accepted Centenary and Notre Dame,
is out there, but they are talking about DII there, so who knows.

Any news on Miseri's decision Lefty?


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gordonmann on March 08, 2007, 10:48:50 PM
Chestnut Hill finished its play in Division III this year.  They will have a transitional status next year as they move fully into Division II.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 09, 2007, 08:53:28 AM
Check out the take on LU on the front page.

Slightly different perspective for the bashers.....

Seems like they deserve credit for their battle against adversity...

As the coach says.....  "if only they knew"

Hope Lincoln wins it all for the region.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 09, 2007, 08:54:35 AM
WolfPAC:

Congrats on Cabrini being ranked 18th in the current Lacrosse Poll.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 09, 2007, 08:57:11 AM
WolfPAC:

At the risk of additional swipes at Lincoln, there are always two sides to every story, and the truth resides somewhere in the middle.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 09, 2007, 08:57:56 AM
The PAC is going to have to do something to establish itself as a legitimate conference or else it will flounder in limbo despite what my critics believe.

AQ may be a thing lost and the PAC is headed into intramural status if you ask me.  I only hope the commish of the PAC realizes the perilous journey ahead and acts on changing somethings while implementing strategies that will take the PAC to where it needs to be.

What ashame to waste good athletes because of lack of talented administrators.  Only hope someone wakes up....

Alvernia is doing the smart thing.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 09, 2007, 09:00:52 AM
WolPAC:
If the PAC continues to loose teams, it may be re-assigned Pool B status, when it comes to post season selections.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 09, 2007, 09:06:10 AM
Quote from: njlincolnlion on March 09, 2007, 08:57:11 AM
WolfPAC:

At the risk of additional swipes at Lincoln, there are always two sides to every story, and the truth resides somewhere in the middle.


I believe you.  LU must have some credibility despite the people who want them to fail due to their ignorance of being on "tough street" If one had to battle just to get  a  meal or get into a school some of the things others take for granted and don't receive things thrown in their lap, maybe one could understand what it is like to work and never get ahead unless you strike hard and quick with killer instinct while you have your one and only chance.  Is life that horrible when a team plays a so called unorthodox style yet succeeds in life?  Possible the wrong message may be interpreted but coincidentally their is the positive side as well.  It still in not easy to win a championship unless you work your asses off.   If a team is good it can overcome many obstacles, the opponent and the refs, and the bashers!
I hope the coach is trying to teach the proper message though in his defense if the middle story is what I think it is from your posts.

I am sure there is the real story as well.

Good luck....nj  
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on March 09, 2007, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: chairman on March 08, 2007, 09:56:03 PM
Any news on Miseri's decision Lefty?
Chairman,
Misericordia is on spring break this week and some key administrators are out of town.

Thus, there is no news to report.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on March 09, 2007, 06:09:20 PM
Miseri and Arcadia are definitely in the MAC.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 09, 2007, 08:45:32 PM
Arcadia is a given, and has been known about for over a year. If Misericordia has not made an announcement yet, then they haven't made an announcement. I'll wait for Lefty to relay the official notification.

That being said, it seems improbable that Misericordia would stay in the PAC. With Kings and Wilkes right in their back yard, it does make for some interesting battles in recruiting and in seasonal competition. If Scranton had not left, (which is probably a silly statement, because Miseri doesn't get offered a spot) the travel budget would be reduced to next to nothing.

Interesting state of affairs to see Chestnut Hill going to Division II. I didn't recall them being a dominant force in Division III.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on March 09, 2007, 08:59:29 PM
Guilford 129 Lincoln 128 3OT!!!!!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 10, 2007, 07:48:58 AM
Live by the sword, die by the sword for Lincoln.  Good luck in d2 land.

Again, Chestnut Hill to d2.  Another not-so-strong-academically school moving into familiar ranks.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 10, 2007, 08:47:48 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on March 10, 2007, 07:48:58 AM
Live by the sword, die by the sword for Lincoln.  Good luck in d2 land.

Again, Chestnut Hill to d2.  Another not-so-strong-academically school moving into familiar ranks.

Hey, wiz, just out of curiosity, with Lincoln and Chestnut Hill leaving D3, who'll you bash and badger next year?  ::)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cold_case on March 10, 2007, 09:59:11 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on March 10, 2007, 08:47:48 AM
Hey, wiz, just out of curiosity, with Lincoln and Chestnut Hill leaving D3, who'll you bash and badger next year?  ::)

E-mail him a list of teams to choose from. :)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 10, 2007, 03:48:32 PM
Warren, I'll take Neumann and give you the field. In all seriousness, can somebody explain to me what DII is. I've got chizwiz's theory, but I cannot figure out how Lincoln or Chestnut Hill stand to profit from the move.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 10, 2007, 04:29:41 PM
Quote from: chairman on March 10, 2007, 03:48:32 PM
Warren, I'll take Neumann and give you the field. In all seriousness, can somebody explain to me what DII is. I've got chizwiz's theory, but I cannot figure out how Lincoln or Chestnut Hill stand to profit from the move.

I think -- repeat, think -- I understand Lincoln's desire to go D2: scholarships permitted and a conference membership. As to Chestnut Hill, I'm at a complete loss. Until recently, this venue was an all-women institution.

As I see it, D2 is a "limbo" somewhere in between D1 bottom-feeders and wannabes and D3. (Of course, I likely don't know the whole truth about the merits, whatever they might be, of this division.)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on March 10, 2007, 07:22:59 PM
With Alvernia... and possibly Miseri leaving... does the PAC tap into the NEAC and try to lure in Baptist Bible, Keystone, PSU Berks, or one of those other schools? From the standpoint of losing representation in the Scranton Wilkes-Barre area and Reading, at least two of the schools on that list would make some sense.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 11, 2007, 09:54:22 AM
Warren, chill.  I with you on what you said about d2 schools and Chestnut Hill.  I was only really giving it to njlincoln because he was spouting off from the get-go.

D2 is a joke.  I'm just one of the only ones willing to say what everybody is thinking.  Subpar academics and barely scholarship level athletics.

On to other things - Who wins the PAC next year?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 11, 2007, 10:17:43 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on March 11, 2007, 09:54:22 AM
I was only really giving it to njlincoln because he was spouting off from the get-go.

RE: "spouting off from the get-go"? You don't get around much, do you? In other rooms, there's an infinite number of examples of genuine "spouting off," a goodly portion of them banal, infantile, ill-informed, and commonly just plain stupid; "njlincoln," as you call him, was merely defending his alma mater.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 11, 2007, 01:53:25 PM
K-

PSU-Berks is very unlikely for a lot of reasons, but the first biggest reason is that they are really outside the league demographic. My opinion is that the admission of a public institution would not fly on a Presidential level, which is where those decisions are made.

The other two, along with PBU, will likely be considered.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 11, 2007, 04:19:31 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on March 11, 2007, 10:17:43 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on March 11, 2007, 09:54:22 AM
I was only really giving it to njlincoln because he was spouting off from the get-go.

RE: "spouting off from the get-go"? You don't get around much, do you? In other rooms, there's an infinite number of examples of genuine "spouting off," a goodly portion of them banal, infantile, ill-informed, and commonly just plain stupid; "njlincoln," as you call him, was merely defending his alma mater.
So . . . then . . . I guess you don't want anyone in this room to do any trash-talking.  I'm just having fun.  Are we also not allowed to do that?  With your infinite wisdom, please, tell us all the things we are to do and not do, oh great d3hoops master.  Get over yourself, Warren.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 04:30:19 PM
Chiz,

Get over your OWN self, please. Warren is right. You overreacted to a poster who is pretty darn classy and knows where his institution's place is in the D-III world.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2007, 04:59:06 PM
Quote from: chairman on March 10, 2007, 03:48:32 PM
Warren, I'll take Neumann and give you the field. In all seriousness, can somebody explain to me what DII is. I've got chizwiz's theory, but I cannot figure out how Lincoln or Chestnut Hill stand to profit from the move.

Let me step right in.

Lincoln is getting to join a conference of peer institutions.  Lincoln was a charter member of the CIAA early in the last century.  This is a big move for the alums, who may remember previous contests with old rivals.

As much problem as I can see with D2, the old "neither fish nor foul" conundrum,  I affirm the strong conference model when it is applied in situations such as this.

We in D3 were not necessarily lining up "with roses and chocolates" for Lincoln to join any of the conferences that have been expanding/ forming/ shuffling in the last decade in the Pennsylvania/Mid-Atlantic regions, to wit, the North East AC, the Landmark, the Capital, the MAC-Freedom, the MAC-Commonwealth, the Pennsylvania AC and even the Pres AC, the Allegheny Mountain CC and the Skyline.

I applaud the President and the Lincoln Board for their foresight.  (I just wonder when Fisk will move to join the (D2) Southern IAA.)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 11, 2007, 05:13:21 PM
Pat:

Oh, for the good old days of certain posters in the MAC Freedom room. They were crazy, they were immature, they were off the wall, they were improperly potty-trained, they were ... they were ... they were, well, whatever they were, they were entertaining in a certain middle-school sort of way.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cold_case on March 11, 2007, 09:05:02 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on March 11, 2007, 05:13:21 PM
Pat:

Oh, for the good old days of certain posters in the MAC Freedom room. They were crazy, they were immature, they were off the wall, they were improperly potty-trained, they were ... they were ... they were, well, whatever they were, they were entertaining in a certain middle-school sort of way.

I could say I resent that remark or I could ask which room in your house is your degree from Oxford hanging.
I'll say nor ask. Or did I already do both?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 11, 2007, 09:34:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 04:30:19 PM
Chiz,

Get over your OWN self, please. Warren is right. You overreacted to a poster who is pretty darn classy and knows where his institution's place is in the D-III world.
Soon to be in the d2 world . . .

Anyway, still wondering what anybody thinks about who wins the PAC next year.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 11, 2007, 10:24:16 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on March 11, 2007, 09:34:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 04:30:19 PM
Chiz,

Get over your OWN self, please. Warren is right. You overreacted to a poster who is pretty darn classy and knows where his institution's place is in the D-III world.
Soon to be in the d2 world . . .

Anyway, still wondering what anybody thinks about who wins the PAC next year.






Cabrini College Cavaliers will beat Immaculata for the title.  The new full-time coach is going to right the ship of backstabbers.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 12, 2007, 09:42:04 AM
How does everyone feel about the job of our current PAC commissioner?
Are things being handled properly for growth or are things just shoved in the corner?

Could the commish do anything that would help the conference?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2007, 10:09:15 AM
Quote from: WolfPAC on March 12, 2007, 09:42:04 AM
How does everyone feel about the job of our current PAC commissioner?
Are things being handled properly for growth or are things just shoved in the corner?

Could the commish do anything that would help the conference?
WolfPAC, could you give us your version of a SWOT (Strengths/Weaknesses/Opportunities/Threats) analysis of the PAC? :)

Strengths

Weaknesses

Opportunities

Threats

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on March 12, 2007, 04:26:33 PM
Chiz,
Alvernia will win the pac next year.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 12, 2007, 06:27:29 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2007, 10:09:15 AM
Quote from: WolfPAC on March 12, 2007, 09:42:04 AM
How does everyone feel about the job of our current PAC commissioner?
Are things being handled properly for growth or are things just shoved in the corner?

Could the commish do anything that would help the conference?
WolfPAC, could you give us your version of a SWOT (Strengths/Weaknesses/Opportunities/Threats) analysis of the PAC? :)

Strengths

Weaknesses

Opportunities

Threats




I would love to do that but I don't get paid for doing an indepth analysis.
Thats what the commissioner should be doing for her job as a quarterly task.

If one knows their job well enough it is obvious what the SWOT's are in this conference and the perilous path it is heading towards.  It is obvious the PAC is not growing the way it needs to at this point and the realignment is making things worse in all sports for these institutions.

Facility upgrades, lack of funds, poor realignment, winners leaving, good coaches resigning, recruitment resources, institutions who are perennial losers in the conference for the wrong reasons, lack of publicity, lack of national talent,  it is easy to figure out.

Why would anyone stay?  Oh the old argument that these institutions are young and will mature and grow usually works but the area is saturated with D1 schools and these ailing institutions.  Lack of a spokesman or a leader to make it work???? ???
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 12, 2007, 06:29:22 PM
On the other hand,  Immaculata is on the rise and was a positive thing for the PAC.... Alvernia will be leaving so I can't count them.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2007, 07:04:33 PM
WolfPAC, I think you did a very good job with your first attempt to give objective criteria by which you can discuss the problems.

I just hate to see complaining without some attempts to solve the problems.  Your proposing solutions is constructive.

What options do these schools have for intercollegiate athletics and are your institution's visions and missions in that area aligned with the current configuration of the PAC?

There is a lot of shuffling going on and your president might see an improvement for your institution in this re-alignment.

Thanks.  (For my clarification, which PAC team(s) do you follow most carefully?)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 12, 2007, 08:44:04 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2007, 07:04:33 PM
WolfPAC, I think you did a very good job with your first attempt to give objective criteria by which you can discuss the problems.

I just hate to see complaining without some attempts to solve the problems.  Your proposing solutions is constructive.

What options do these schools have for intercollegiate athletics and are your institution's visions and missions in that area aligned with the current configuration of the PAC?

There is a lot of shuffling going on and your president might see an improvement for your institution in this re-alignment.

Thanks.  (For my clarification, which PAC team(s) do you follow most carefully?)




In terms of benefits with the realignment, if it translates into a better record among a dilluted PAC conference what good is winng the PAC amongst a group of losers?

In the institution I used to care so much about before the admn destroyed the most winningest then the 3rd most winningest basketball program in D3 history, the president and AD claim a legendary coach did not have the team aligned with the mission of the school.  "Thugs and hoodlums the new coach said the old coach recruited.  However if you check GPA and graduation rates, one would find out otherwise and uncover the power struggle between a legendary coach who virtually created the conference in 1992 and was ousted due to an ego.

Funny how the demise of one institution's program or the loss of a legendary coach can impact a conference.   Almost seems as if the whole conference benefited from a winning more games individually.  Respectfully I must disagree with those who claim I dwell in the past that the coach who was hacked was a leader and spokesman for the conference.  He taught alot of people alot of things and had pull in the NCAA in Indiana.  Now the realignment of the conference will find a dilluted group of schools without an automatic bid at the end of the season most likely.  The other sports will suffer as well because of this.  I don't understand why admn and AD's don't get enough pressure from the PAC to conform to a more serious athletic committment for both students and athletes.  Some of the schools lose every year and some only have women.  Hard to be a formidable conference with constant polarization.  With these top schools leaving it will be worse!

Perhaps a central location for games played would create some rivals with teams that have high school gyms with metal chairs and perhaps perennial less than serious schools can be weeded out for a new alignment. 

Dialogue among presidents and the Pac must happen or else the MAC and Landmark will get a couple more of the PACs top teams soon enough.

The Pac is becoming a joke which is truly ashame for the student athletes men and women who battle in more ways than one to survive academically, financially, and athletically in the D3 PAC environment.  The missions of the schools could be interpreted in almost anyway by admn who will suit themselves.  Incongruence in missions will never be gone.
Hope it is not too late.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on March 12, 2007, 09:22:26 PM
After the news that the vern was going to the MAC. I feel that it is a good move. Since Miller took over he and his staff have had some great recruiting classes.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 12, 2007, 10:14:42 PM
Great for Alvernia not so great for the PAC.

Alvernia was the cream of the crop.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2007, 08:08:35 AM
Quote from: WolfPAC on March 12, 2007, 08:44:04 PM
...

Funny how the demise of one institution's program or the loss of a legendary coach can impact a conference. 

 
Yes, the "Death Penalty" at Southern Methodist University led to the dismantling of the old Southwest Conference.  Maybe that is why D1 has not given another such penalty despite programs such as Alabama.

Now the realignment of the conference will find a dilluted group of schools without an automatic bid at the end of the season most likely.  The other sports will suffer as well because of this.  I don't understand why admn and AD's don't get enough pressure from the PAC to conform to a more serious athletic committment for both students and athletes.  Some of the schools lose every year and some only have women.  Hard to be a formidable conference with constant polarization.  With these top schools leaving it will be worse!

Perhaps a central location for games played would create some rivals with teams that have high school gyms with metal chairs and perhaps perennial less than serious schools can be weeded out for a new alignment. 

Dialogue among presidents and the Pac must happen or else the MAC and Landmark will get a couple more of the PACs top teams soon enough.

I absolutely agree.  The Penn AC is perilously close to losing their AQ's, and there are too few options to add schools in the area, unless they raid the NEAC.  Everyone else seems to be moving away from the Penn AC.

The Pac is becoming a joke which is truly a shame for the student athletes men and women who battle in more ways than one to survive academically, financially, and athletically in the D3 PAC environment.  The missions of the schools could be interpreted in almost anyway by admn who will suit themselves.  Incongruence in missions will never be gone.
Hope it is not too late.

The MAC's (Freedom and Commonwealth) may try to return to the their full complement of 8 teams in each and there are few other options.  (I have them at 8 and 7.  Corrections please.)

Thanks for the response.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on March 13, 2007, 02:59:03 PM
Misericordia has accepted an invitation to join the MAC beginning with the 2008-09 school year.

http://www.misericordia.edu/athletics/
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 13, 2007, 09:01:17 PM
The big questions for the PAC are only starting to unfold. With the loss of Misericordia and Alvernia, the league will have to find at least one new school, but there have to be more PAC schools eyeing other options. The commisioner needs to instill confidence in the presidents that she can effectively brand the league and keep the AQ's in all the sports.
My impression is that her ability to spin and sell a vision over the next ten to twelve days will be the most critical event in the short history of the league. Time will tell.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2007, 09:06:12 PM
I don't know the mission/vision or rivalries or relative geography.  Is there a possible PennAC member who might go to the Commonwealth?

Who is close?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 13, 2007, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: chairman on March 13, 2007, 09:01:17 PM
The big questions for the PAC are only starting to unfold. With the loss of Misericordia and Alvernia, the league will have to find at least one new school, but there have to be more PAC schools eyeing other options. The commisioner needs to instill confidence in the presidents that she can effectively brand the league and keep the AQ's in all the sports.
My impression is that her ability to spin and sell a vision over the next ten to twelve days will be the most critical event in the short history of the league. Time will tell.

Hope someone reacts or takes initiative to correct what is happening before what I think will happen.

There was a legendary coach once in the PAC who I chatted with about this scenario.

The implications could spell trouble for all if let go and the conference will turn into a bunch of intramural sports sadly enough.  The presidents of institutional neglect are the obstacles with or without their own missions.

Please if someone out there has the power or say in the matter try to tell someone who can come up with a plan to preserve some teams or attract some quality to the PAC.   
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 13, 2007, 11:37:45 PM
Ralph-

Almost all the current PAC Schools sit somewhere inside the geographic range of the new MAC Commonwealth. With Widener already there, and Arcadia joining, the bulk of the PAC fit inside the triangle formed by those two and Albright.

In terms of going outside the league to attract quality teams into the conference, it is probably going to be difficult to do. No MAC teams seem uncomfortable enough to leave, and certainly no Centennial schools are on their way out, so it comes down to the NEAC or schools without conference affiliation. There are schools with sufficient academic credibility, but without really deep athletic programs.

The ironic thing for Arcadia is that they fled the PAC to try to associate with a "more exclusive and academic" group of schools. That Alvernia, which fits neither description, is joining them from the PAC has got to have Arcadia's President spitting fire.

I know that the Arcadia and Wesley moves caught no one by surprise. I would be interested to know how many of the Presidents and or Conference office personnel saw the Alvernia/Miseri moves coming.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2007, 11:54:54 PM
+1 Chairman!  That helps me understand that area of the country better.

There are no "independents".

As I see the academic pecking/prestige order, may I assume that it approximates this:

1) Centennial
2) Landmark
3a & b) MAC's
4) PennAC
5) NEAC

On the periphery we have the Capital at about a "solid 3"; Skyline, a "3";  NJAC a "very solid 3, weak 2".

Just a rough guess...

Thanks!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 14, 2007, 07:49:03 AM
Ralph, that seems correct.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 14, 2007, 10:41:12 AM
As for AQ's what happens in the PAC?

Who is going to leave the NEAC?  Would it not be a step up for anyone from there to join the PAC leaving it even more dilluted?

May as well just combine the pac and neac and make one conference with 2 divisions then.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 14, 2007, 10:42:30 AM
Could this be good for the PAC though in terms of better competition though Chiz????

Instead of Marywoods and Rosemonts?? 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 14, 2007, 10:52:38 AM
This about sums it up...

http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18076204&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=416049&rfi=6
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 14, 2007, 11:00:11 AM
Where does this leave the PAC?

What schools will fill in as the MAC situation that took place?

Centenary?  Baptist Bible?  Chestnut Hill? 

How is this good for the PAC?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on March 14, 2007, 11:54:12 AM
Being from Scranton, the Miseri rumors have been flying for years.  Frankly, I'm surprised it has taken so long for them to be invited.

As for Alvernia, thats shocking to me.
They don't seem to be a good fit for the league as far as the "like academic institutions" goes.  In addition, a move to the Commonwealth would make more sense.  In Reading, great rivalry with Albright.  Plus, Alvernia in the Freedom pushes Arcadia to the other side. 
Apparently someone didn't want Alvernia in the Commonwealth. 
Maybe the school down the street?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 14, 2007, 12:17:56 PM
Centenary is in to replace Wesley or Arcadia for next year as was reported earlier this year.
Baptist Bible was discussed but there was no more on that subject.

I am surprised that Marywood did not jump out for travel reasons!

Wolfpac any word from your favorite school on coaching candidates?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on March 14, 2007, 12:51:47 PM
Quote from: gamefan on March 14, 2007, 12:17:56 PM
Centenary is in to replace Wesley or Arcadia for next year as was reported earlier this year.
Baptist Bible was discussed but there was no more on that subject.

I am surprised that Marywood did not jump out for travel reasons!

Wolfpac any word from your favorite school on coaching candidates?

Perhaps there's nowhere for Marywood to jump.
It would be foolish to leave if noone is inviting you in.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on March 14, 2007, 01:42:42 PM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on March 14, 2007, 11:54:12 AM
Being from Scranton, the Miseri rumors have been flying for years.  Frankly, I'm surprised it has taken so long for them to be invited.

As for Alvernia, thats shocking to me.
They don't seem to be a good fit for the league as far as the "like academic institutions" goes.  In addition, a move to the Commonwealth would make more sense.  In Reading, great rivalry with Albright.  Plus, Alvernia in the Freedom pushes Arcadia to the other side. 
Apparently someone didn't want Alvernia in the Commonwealth. 
Maybe the school down the street?

Hoops, I agree with you on your alignment opinion due to our location, but I'm pretty sure  our soccer and field hockey coaches aren't organizing a push for Commonwealth alignment.  I'd be interested to hear your academic perception of the Vern.  The school is working hard to contintually improve academic standing, but I don't think current standings warrant shock at our invitation.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 14, 2007, 02:55:13 PM
Quote from: gamefan on March 14, 2007, 12:17:56 PM
Centenary is in to replace Wesley or Arcadia for next year as was reported earlier this year.
Baptist Bible was discussed but there was no more on that subject.

I am surprised that Marywood did not jump out for travel reasons!

Wolfpac any word from your favorite school on coaching candidates?

game...

All is quiet on the Western front at the moment... only rumor known to me is that somehow the position will be full-time.   Why the hell did they get rid of Dzik?

It is the hope of many that someone from the Dzik era will take the job according to some prior posts as well.    Don't know anything.  Just hoping the AD is on top of her game over there this time.

If the president leaves..... all kinds of possibilities could occur.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 14, 2007, 02:57:26 PM
Jon,

Objectively speaking,  how do you view the strength of the PAC without the Vern and Mis.. ?


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on March 14, 2007, 03:11:06 PM
I'll keep this strickly basketball since I am posting on d3hoops.com...

Clearly the strength takes a hit initially, but there's promise in the rapid growth at Immaculata.  The consistency in competition could improve rapidly in the near future.  The new facilities at Marywood should help the recruiting up there.  GMC should be able to build around another solid post player in Smith.  At the end of the day, success is all about recruiting.  Smart coaches will find ways to take advantage of whatever their situation to bring in talent.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 14, 2007, 07:25:11 PM
Jon-

Had Susquehanna, Juniata, Scranton and the like stayed in, Alvernia might have felt a little out of place with the top end of the conference, but there are several schools in the Freedom now that are not traditionally academic powerhouses. I wouild agree that Albright would want no part of an Alvernia in the Commonwealth, and that the field hockey and soccer coaches want no part of the Commonwealth. That being said. There is no guaranteeing that those in the MAC now are staying. It would not surprise me at all to see at least one more move to the Landmark.

One thing in Conference affiliations that is interesting is that perceived academic quality is way more important than actual academic strength. While I have no doubt that the Vern has strengthened themselves academically and worked to bring in higher and higher level students, it is surprising that they were able to convince the people in the MAC of that on a level sufficient to be granted acceptance. On the other hand, your point Jon, and mine earlier, is that the MAC has lost a little bit of the brass on it's star academically (which is fine by me) with the defections to the Landmark.

A thought on the NJAC Ralph. The conference is incredibly diverse in terms of academic quality, admissions standards, etc. TCNJ has a very good reputation, and would really fit right in the Landmark (except for the fact that no one in that Conference was in the mood to get their brains beat in EVERYTHING-except basketball really). There are schools at the other end of the spectrum that are really fancy junior colleges. The admissions standards are minimal, graduation rates small, and tuition extremely cheap. So the NJAC is tough to put in a slot.

Other than that, you hit things on the head pretty well. The 4's want to be 3's the 3's want to be two's and the two's know that the Centennial will never open it's doors, so they try to keep their club as exclusive as they can, which is why the Landmark Conference was founded.

The big problem the Landmark had was that they brought in Stevens, but Stevens forgot to come along, and then there was scrambling. As I mentioned before, I don't think the whole thing is done.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 14, 2007, 07:35:08 PM
Quote from: chairman on March 14, 2007, 07:25:11 PM
It would not surprise me at all to see at least one more [MAC member] move to the Landmark.

Just out of curiosity, who?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on March 14, 2007, 08:51:45 PM
Quote from: chairman on March 14, 2007, 07:25:11 PM
Had Susquehanna, Juniata, Scranton and the like stayed in, Alvernia might have felt a little out of place with the top end of the conference.......

If those schools stay in the MAC, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on March 14, 2007, 08:59:10 PM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on March 14, 2007, 11:54:12 AM
Being from Scranton, the Miseri rumors have been flying for years.  Frankly, I'm surprised it has taken so long for them to be invited.

Correct, the "Miseri"cordia rumors to the MAC started 17 years ago when the school announced its plans to seek D-III status.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 14, 2007, 09:06:03 PM
That is true... my point was more in the direction of the MAC having a slightly less exclusive bent to it now that those schools have left.

No way the MAC entertains the thought of a Misericordia or Alvernia without the exodus.

Ralph, the most likely candidate would be Etown, but there might be another that would race to try to move into a more impressive academic league.

With Arcadia being pushed into the commonwealth, the Men's soccer conference becomes pretty impressive (too bad for LVC, Widener, and Albright)



Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 15, 2007, 01:25:36 AM
Hoops:

I understand maybe noone was asking Marywood, my point was a change for them would have saved them travel.

The Prez needs to do some damage control, not a word on the PAC website about what the plan is!

Wolf:

Do you think they would let one of the Dzik crew back? After all of the bad feelings from before.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 15, 2007, 12:17:24 PM
Quote from: gamefan on March 15, 2007, 01:25:36 AM
Hoops:

I understand maybe noone was asking Marywood, my point was a change for them would have saved them travel.

The Prez needs to do some damage control, not a word on the PAC website about what the plan is!

Wolf:

Do you think they would let one of the Dzik crew back? After all of the bad feelings from before.

Gamefan:

Not a question of letting a Dzik crew back but whether or not the Dzik crew would accept with the current president.

When she is gone things will change for the better.  Power struggles are the worst situations for the students.  The school is in trouble athletically.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 15, 2007, 12:19:20 PM
Game:

Besides that the alumni would not come back until she is gone either.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 16, 2007, 02:37:10 AM
Does everyone agree the silence from the PAC prez is deafening?

What other schools do you think might be a good fit for the PAC so we can tell the Prez in her palacial office at Neumann!

Are you kidding me 4 defections and one unwanted addition who plays in a CYO gym like Neumanns! I guess she has something more important to do like getting her hair or nails done!

Wolf:

The house that Dzik built has been condemmed and the demolition has begun!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 16, 2007, 09:31:49 AM
Thank you, Chairman.  I appreciate your impression of what is happening in that part of the country.

I agree that the shuffling will continue and for the reasons that you mention.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on March 16, 2007, 11:45:11 AM
Quote from: gamefan on March 16, 2007, 02:37:10 AM
Does everyone agree the silence from the PAC prez is deafening?...... I guess she has something more important to do like getting her hair or nails done!

Gamefan,

What would you like the PAC to say?  And to who(m)?

I don't think anyone is to blame for the musical chairs game that the PAC and many other conferences find themselves in.

Your hair and nails comment is inappropriate as well.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 16, 2007, 12:13:57 PM
Quote from: gamefan on March 16, 2007, 02:37:10 AM
Does everyone agree the silence from the PAC prez is deafening?

What other schools do you think might be a good fit for the PAC so we can tell the Prez in her palacial office at Neumann!

Are you kidding me 4 defections and one unwanted addition who plays in a CYO gym like Neumanns! I guess she has something more important to do like getting her hair or nails done!

Wolf:

The house that Dzik built has been condemmed and the demolition has begun!


The whole conference is reminding me of intramurals.   With no spokesman what do you expect??

Only goes to show the master plan of the admns was to take the serious schools that want to grow and move on and let them exit.  Dzik must have been an obstacle for the missions or agendas they had schemed up.  The Vern gone.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 16, 2007, 12:22:02 PM
These schools may grow academically or rather the academic marketing and promotions for facilitating business and enrollment budgets will grow.

Academically speaking the schools may be holding their ground but athletically they are condemned.  If a school is weak academically but is strong in athletics, the school must seek out another conference it seems.

The small private institutions who only want to grow in quality not quantity will be left in the PAC.  The last hope is Immac, GMC or Eu but eventually they will change as well when they can grow.  Seems recruiting is a problem with all the saturation in the area.  The admn just goes with the flow as long as they are in compliance with D3 they can market.  Sad but true.

Seems as if the PAC is just a testing ground or stepping stone without traditional values like the other conferences.  The argument that the conference will mature will not hold if the schools move around and less than competitive schools enter.   Recruiting is behind.
We need knowledgable people to run the conference and take it up another notch if possible.   I admit excuse my ignorance if the effort is already in place to do this and is just not working.  Seems the writing has been on the wall and no one took initiative though.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 16, 2007, 12:30:08 PM
Just a thought.  If the PAC area has too many schools, the fact that some are leaving and going to a less saturated geographic area up state may help the PAC recruit local athletes who want to stay here.

If the PAC has a strategic plan to lessen the number of schools and bring in schools to the PAC who could not get in before, even though the plan is executed at the expense of the PAC ,  How can the conference be taken seriously then at playoff time?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 16, 2007, 02:05:29 PM
Lefty:



Heres the point:

The comment was not inappropriate, sorry you can't handle a light comment!   My point was to say a proactive president or leader would have taken steps to be a leader and have a plan communicated to members of the PAC. A proactive leader would have discussed the departure with the remaining PAC schools and made an announcement prior to it becoming public that the schools were thinking about leaving and why! Not stand by and say nothing to the PAC followers who now think the conference is in trouble and may fold.

In other words bad managment and bad marketing can hurt a conference and this type of sticking your head in the sand and not being proactive has done exactly that!

Again sorry you take offense but get over it, and good luck in the MAC!



Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on March 16, 2007, 02:23:25 PM
I'm not offended by it, but I'm not a woman.

In my opinion, the "hair and nails" comment was sexist.

With the constant re-shuffling, the PAC should be concerned.  So should every other conference.

But, the commissioner isn't/wasn't responsible for Misericordia making a change.

She also wasn't going to convince us to stay - not for lack of trying.

I'm fairly certain the PAC will have a plan.  But, I doubt it will be discussed in a public forum.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on March 16, 2007, 02:44:15 PM
gamefan,

I'm with Lefty...you made a sexist comment implying the PAC Commissioner, or President as you referred to her as, is spending her time getting her nails and hair done instead of planning for the future of the conference, and that's just not the case. 

You can't seriously expect her to post her plans here or even on the conference website.  There's no point in making public what schools the conference is seeking or even what the plan is for replacing schools that leave.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 17, 2007, 12:38:34 AM
While I agree that the hair and nails comment was out of line, I am a little surprised that the league has yet to issue a statement of any kind. I know that there is nothing she could have said to keep any of the four schools in, and that there is probably not a good statement to be made, but I know that there is a bit of sales that needs to be done to persuade those schools still in to have confidence that the league will remain viable and will meet their needs as far as delivering a competitive structure and AQ's in all sponsored sports.

I think there is room to be critical of certain steps the conference has taken (and maybe more appropriately not taken), but I think that the moves from Alvernia and Misericordia caught a lot of people (maybe everyone) a little off guard. As I've said before, the next month or so will be very interesting.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 17, 2007, 01:55:08 AM
Lets not get defensive, if I was talking about the NBA and said David Stern was out getting a shave I guess that is sexist also? Get a grip will you!

Jon:

As I said before there should have been some communication put on the PAC website to as Chairman said to keep the confidence of the remaining schools that there is a plan! If you do not understand then that is your problem, It is called "Public Relations" I guess they don't teach that at Alvernia! Usually taught in Marketing 101!

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on March 17, 2007, 11:29:10 AM
I'm don't think the statement needs to be public.  I think it's fine for the commish to communicate personally to the remaining schools that she has a plan for the future of the conference.  Even the chairman admitted there there probably isn't a "good statement to be made."
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 17, 2007, 01:31:27 PM
I don't really care if she makes a public statement or not.  Only hoping for the sake of the athletes/students that there is a plan in place for keeping the conference afloat.

The way it is going it sounds as if people are powerless to do anything in the PAC to maintain its dignity in terms of competition for tournament selection.  With the realignment matters could get worse.

Perhaps the master plan is to keep these institutionally neglect schools with academic missions of the Ivy league together since they will never grow athletically and keep the conference as  a  D3 testing ground to move out of when an institution advances its program to a certain level.

I guess the plan includes the admn, presidents, and the commish since it is silent.  As long as these institutions are content to comply and not grow their program within D3 staying at a certain level they can recruit students with the fact that they are a part of the "D3 NCAA" and attract for enrollment dollars.  The presidents seem to only care about their egos and the schools public perception for marketing anyway.   Look at the facilities alone.   Cabrini's alumni was responsible for their facilities with Dzik not  the president.  She doesn't even know Cabrini never won a state title for God's sake.

GMC/ Alvernia / Arcadia have facilities but 2 have left.  Seems like birds of a feather flock together is the bottom of the barrell for the PAC whether or not it is public knowledge or public statement.

Whew boy!     Cheyney,  Lincoln, the independents may have the right idea if they have an alumni who cares w/o support.     
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2007, 09:49:15 PM
I appreciate the debate.  It looks like the Landmark sneezed and the PAC caught pneumonia, to paraphrase the old saying.

With the D3 model being used as an enrollment booster for schools that very heavily dependent on tuition for revenue, having a very poorly performing "product line" such as intercollegiate athletics can impact the bottom line.

WolfPAC, I can "feel your pain".  This looks like it will be a challenge and I see one more MAC slot up for grabs to make 8 & 8.  Am I partially correct that one may get the impression that the Penn AC was a reasonably comfortable 3rd out of 4th among the conferences,

1)  Centennial
2)  MAC Freedom and Centennial
3)  Penn AC
4)  North Eastern AC

to

1) Centennial
2) Landmark
3-4) MAC Freedom or
3-4) MAC Commonwealth with some jockeying concerning academic prestige that may not have been as prominent before
5)  Penn AC with some significant separation appearing for the first time.
6)  NEAC.

Corrections and interpretations of data appreciated.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 18, 2007, 01:57:08 AM
Ralph:

You are correct the PAC has taken a hit! The big concern is, "is there a plan"?  In order tp keep the conference together there has to be a plan to bring in new schools to replace the schools that left!  This is an opportunity to align the conference geographically!  A chance to get some new blood into the PAC

Who cares that the schools that left did so, goodbye! Lets get some new schools in to replace them! Schools that want to be here to compete against the remaining PAC schools. Lets build the PAC into a respected conference in DIII sports! Now is the time to make things happen! Time to attack other conferences and grab some good  new schools!

The time for action is now before it is too late!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 18, 2007, 09:49:13 AM
Ralph, I think your statement that there is "significant separation appearing for the first time" is quite correct, sadly.  However, I agree with gamefan that things can be done to right the boat.  The PAC needs to grab between 1 and 3 teams before the start of the 08-09 season, I think.  Grab from the NEAC or NJAC, if possible, or the independents.  Just don't grab from schools that are seriously lacking in academics.  And, no, I don't have any good grabs in mind yet.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 18, 2007, 11:38:35 AM
Ralph-

The Comfortable #3 idea is accurate, but not on a school by school basis. I beleive the conference thought that as the league grew it would develop into a MAC part C. And in some respects, it really almost did, but not necessarily through PAC growth.

On a school by school basis, there have been schools that were very anxious to change affiliations. Beaver College, being the oldest and probably best endowed of the PAC schools, has been looking to "trade up" for a long time. They wind up moving into a different MAC than they dreamed about, and then take the double hit of seeing their premier sport moving into a league with the 19 time defending champion after a year on the other side (Hyperbole). While Arcadia has some solid sports, they also have a slew of sports that are going to fit nicely in the bottom line of the Commonwealth for quite some time. Their move was not a strategic one for athletics, but rather a long dreamed about move for "academic" affiliation. I can say for certain that Arcadia's president is among those who is not thrilled (understatement) with Scranton's exodus and the incorporation of two more PAC members.

Wesley's choice to leave the PAC is an eight letter decision. FOOTBALL. As the only school in the league with football, they had to join a group of quasi-independents to form a football conference. The tenuous nature of that AQ left Wesley with little or no chance but to leave. It happened that The Landmark sneezed and Wesley and Arcadia got to go at once.

Chiz, I think it will be very unlikely to see an NJAC school move to the PAC for the simple reason that there are no Public institutions in the PAC and there are not many NJAC schools that would see a need to come across the bridge for every road game in the league. Rutger's Camden is close enough to do it, but PSU-Berks makes more sense as a strategic Public Institution. When the NEAC was formed a few years back, it was a conglomeration of independents in queue to join conferences. It looks like one or two of those schools will have the offer to punch their ticket. In reality, the PAC will probably need to offer three spots for 08-09 because the 16th MAC school is, despite what any PAC school tells you, likely to be a PAC school.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 18, 2007, 01:20:27 PM
Chair:

Timing is of the essence right now for the PAC! They can use this exodus as a way to intice some local schools to change their conference alliance. This is a time to rebuild the PAC with schools that want to be here.

PSU Berks
PSU Delco
Chestnut Hill was discussed earlier last year when Wesley announced!

Is it time to put out feelers to other area schools to gauge their interest in a newer stronger PAC conference. I think the conference also needs to make it attractive for schools to come not quite sure what the hook can or would be but time to get creative and proactive as I said before.

Any ideas? Just do not understand what the Conference office is doing to stablize? Wish we had some idea of a plan!

In final change is good and is actually healthy most times so lets get some schools to replace and move on without Alvernia, Arcadia, Misericordia and Wesley! Good luck in your new conferences!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2007, 01:23:53 PM
Quote from: chairman on March 18, 2007, 11:38:35 AM
Wesley's choice to leave the PAC is an eight letter decision. FOOTBALL. As the only school in the league with football, they had to join a group of quasi-independents to form a football conference. The tenuous nature of that AQ left Wesley with little or no chance but to leave.

Huh? Wesley remains in the ACFC for football. Joining the CAC does not give them a better football situation. It's the exact same football situation. Wesley's football conference does not have an AQ.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 18, 2007, 01:58:23 PM
I may be the most speculative voice on the development of new football conferences that there is on the boards.  Wesley is now one of 3 schools who play football in their conference, (Salisbury, of course,  and Gallaudet renewing in 2007).

With 3 schools playing football at this time, The Capital AC is only one school from having the "core four" football playing members to which you may add at least 3 affiliates to earn an AQ.  There are affiliates willing to drive 500 miles (http://www.d3football.com/) to get into a Pool A conference.  (Current football independents that might seek an affiliation include Brockport St, SUNY-Maritime, provisional SUNY-Morrisville, Frostburg St, Husson, Mt Ida, Becker.)

I wonder if there is not a PennAC president that is looking to add football as a way to entice a bid from the Capital or the MAC.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 18, 2007, 02:25:37 PM
Ralph:

There does not seem to be much interest in the PAC to add football my guess it would cost too much for them to field a team! Doesn't make sense because there would be 50 students paying around $30,000 to come to most of the schools but that is what the Presidents are looking at! Look at Cabrini they just spent 1/2 million on new sport turf field for lacrosse and soccer. Think about it 50 X $30,000 = $1.5 million tuition from new football students, not too shabby huh?

Offering football also will entice more two sport athletes to PAC schools and improve other sports also.
Most football players play another sport after the season is over.

The PAC just does not seem ready to embrace football. gain as i have said before does not seem to be any plan for growth unless someone knows something that I have not heard?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 18, 2007, 11:00:42 PM
Put it this way....

Any PAC school that has the balls to nurture a football program would be the envy of the PAC.

The problem is with Rosemont, EU, Marywood, Immac could you see these schools with football.. get real.  Well, these schools are the PAC and as you can see if a school spends the money football would be worth it but the institution would soon have to move out of the conference to survive!

They would have a tough time playing PAC schools who do not have a football team or wish to get one. 

By the way....  PAC schools have a difficult time enough trying to keep their baseball programs afloat.

More evidence of lack of seriously planning a strategic goal for growth in the next 25 years.

The PAC is a wanna be now.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 18, 2007, 11:01:41 PM
FOOTBALL in the PAC ?????


YOU are dreaming.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 18, 2007, 11:16:07 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2007, 09:49:15 PM
I appreciate the debate.  It looks like the Landmark sneezed and the PAC caught pneumonia, to paraphrase the old saying.

With the D3 model being used as an enrollment booster for schools that very heavily dependent on tuition for revenue, having a very poorly performing "product line" such as intercollegiate athletics can impact the bottom line.

WolfPAC, I can "feel your pain".  This looks like it will be a challenge and I see one more MAC slot up for grabs to make 8 & 8.  Am I partially correct that one may get the impression that the Penn AC was a reasonably comfortable 3rd out of 4th among the conferences,

1)  Centennial
2)  MAC Freedom and Centennial
3)  Penn AC
4)  North Eastern AC

to

1) Centennial
2) Landmark
3-4) MAC Freedom or
3-4) MAC Commonwealth with some jockeying concerning academic prestige that may not have been as prominent before
5)  Penn AC with some significant separation appearing for the first time.
6)  NEAC.

Corrections and interpretations of data appreciated.

You are accurate.  Only wish I was wrong.   Cannot see any growth for the conference at this point in time.  It can not be serious without serious leadership.

Until there is "down to earth" admn with strong realization of athletic revenue potential, the mission of D3 will likely restrain the liberal leadership of a college that wants to grow an athletic program in the area the PAC recruits from geographically.

The price of tuition, the bottom line, the missions, and the lack of passionate leadership adds up a dead PAC constrained by its own destiny of lack of natural growth.  Perhaps the conference needs to weed out the less than contenders during the last 5 years and start over fresh with new leadership configuration.

Your assessment is accurate and I regret the fact that I sound as if I dwell in the past but I must state that the exit of a legendary coach does influence the conference negatively.  Where is the PAC spokesman in meetings with these institutions.  I believe the presidents of the schools really do not care at all.  Just a drawing card even though these students play their heart and souls out for the pride and loyalty of the institution for the pride of their collegiate experiences.   

The situation is out of control with institutionally neglect admns and salesmanship exploiting the accomplishments of athletes for selling campuses.  What a sin ! !    Some of these institutions could not survive w/o these kids who built the institutions with their hard athletic battles and academic achievements.   Bricks and mortar need a foundation.

Things just don't add up for the PAC .   The level of competition will become dilluted if the conference is less than serious about selecting institutions for filling slots.    The only benefit is to the institutions which were never qualified or able to enter the PAC and it becomes a weak feather in their cap while the PAC deteriorates.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 19, 2007, 08:26:22 AM
gamefan, Chestnut Hill will not be entering the PAC as long as they continue to move toward D2 status.  End of story there.

Wolfie, while I share your feelings that getting rid of Dzik hurt more than Cabrini, bringing problems to the conference in other ways, be they big or small (I think somewhat small, you think big), I think you are being a little impatient with the PAC commissioner.  I don't think she is a great comm. for my own reasons, but I also think she has a tough job right now.

Give her, and the conference, time to figure this one out.  I'm sure there is more to it than we are discussing and I'm sure that the PAC is trying to find another 1-3 more coed members.  In the meantime, if you care about the PAC, please stop dooming and glooming on it, as it just makes us look a lot worse.

For Cabrini's benefit, I hope they offer Dzik his job back for six figures while firing their president and AD, but that's a pipe dream.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 19, 2007, 09:18:15 AM
Chiz:


I agree the departure of Dzik has had a negative effect on the conference! But it is old news now!

I am aware of the Chestnut Hill situation. Rumors persist that the move to DII is not a certainty!  PAC needs to keep the heat on!

I do not have a problem with the teams leaving as long as there is a`plan to replace them! The PAC needs to use this as a time to get better!

The PAC is broken but can be fixed with a plan!

How can it be fixed? I.E. teams to invite, changes to be made, and time frame for the changes to be implemented!

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2007, 09:36:35 AM
This discussion started on page 77.

We are looking for replacements for the departed.  It is not likely that that MAC's (F or C) will lose a member to the Penn AC.

That means finding them in the NEAC.  There are not many candidates there that have not already moved to another conference, e.g., the Skyline or the Capital.   (It almost seemed like a junior high dance.  As soon as those conferences saw those teams as having a dance partner, they became acceptable.  Standing in queue for a conference in the early part of this decade, as someone said, was right!)

Chestnut Hill is still in play for the MAC's, the Captial, the PennAc and the NEAC.

This will be really tough.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 19, 2007, 11:05:34 AM
What about schools in Delaware?  Goldie Beacon College,

Wilmington College. 


Gee what about DCCC, MCCC,  Harcum Jr. College,  go after Haverford hahaha...

Lets recruit some nursing homes for God's sake.

Wake up call ! ! !
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 19, 2007, 11:08:18 AM
Congratulations to the commissioner of the PAC for holding the conference together during these turbulent times.

GO PAC!   
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 19, 2007, 11:51:19 AM
Wolf:

Good thought both of the Delaware schools are playing DII, but I agree Wilmington got their butts whipped all year they should change affiliations. They cannot compete agaunst the teams they play!

Goldey Beacom could fit also they have a nice gym for playing in, Wilmington is small but it is better than Neumann!

There is also Delaware Tech nice gym decent team!

Geographically Haverford would be a good fit but they are elitest!

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 19, 2007, 12:34:25 PM
Hey, Wolfie, you make a great waffle.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 19, 2007, 06:38:21 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on March 19, 2007, 12:34:25 PM
Hey, Wolfie, you make a great waffle.

You should try my Belgian waffle.  Nice and thick and gooey with syrup.
uMMM  uMMMM good.  I make em in the summer time down Virginia at a nice little bed & breakfast.   I also made them in New Hampshire during a ski trip.  They went over well after everyones hangovers.

As a bonus, I will pour a little chizwiz on it for you!

I will make you breakfast sometime and meet you at a game so you can try it.  I know who you are now! !
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 19, 2007, 06:41:52 PM
I think I will make the commish a super dooper waffle chiz maybe she will do a better job.

How is Coach N. these days?  I was hoping he would take the full-time Cabrini job.  That is guy who can be  intense and motivate people while knowing the game.  Think it would fit him very well.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 19, 2007, 10:51:36 PM
Wolfie, I hope you are the only one who missed my meaning of "waffle".

I'm glad you know who I am.  Now you know that my statements don't come from inexperience like yours.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 20, 2007, 11:39:12 AM
With the evolving PAC lineup what programs do you think will be the best in the PAC for next season?

With Arcadia and Wesley out next year and I think Centenary is in for next year, Rank the teams!

Alvernia
Cabrini
Centenary
Eastern
Gwynedd
Immaculata
Marywood
Misericordia
Neumann

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 20, 2007, 12:38:55 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on March 19, 2007, 10:51:36 PM
Wolfie, I hope you are the only one who missed my meaning of "waffle".

I'm glad you know who I am.  Now you know that my statements don't come from inexperience like yours.

Are you really that old??   Did you graduate in 1956 ???  Or is that the year you were born??

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 20, 2007, 12:41:49 PM
Quote from: gamefan on March 20, 2007, 11:39:12 AM
With the evolving PAC lineup what programs do you think will be the best in the PAC for next season?

With Arcadia and Wesley out next year and I think Centenary is in for next year, Rank the teams!

Alvernia
Cabrini
Centenary
Eastern
Gwynedd
Immaculata
Marywood
Misericordia
Neumann


ALvernia ,  Gwynedd, Eastern, Cent, Immac, Miser, Neumann, Cabrini,  Maryw,
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 20, 2007, 12:46:49 PM
Chiz,

Who is taking over at Cabrini....  with all that backstabbing going on over there will an outsider take the job or will it be  someone from the bench?

With all your experience it should be easy to figure out.... especially if you are who I think you are......  give me one more clue as to who you are.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 20, 2007, 12:51:42 PM
Chiz one more clue will do it.... gotta get back to work looking forward to your response with your wisdom and experience.

Oh great one, the great Chizwiz.  though art the #1 Chizwiz in the Pac.

Just messin with you ole buddy.

You don't have to worry.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 20, 2007, 03:57:07 PM
Wolf, a few things.  I'm not going to give any clues.  My identity is not a secret, but the fun part will be lost if I help out.  Good luck.

Regarding Cabrini:  I have heard that applications are still being accepted.  Somebody mentioned Coach Nadelhoffer earlier (I think it was you).  I don't know if he is going to apply any more than you do.  I do think that it's humorous to think that him going to Cabrini is a significantly better thing than him being at Eastern.  He is doing well at EU and we all know the problems at Cabrini that won't change with the hire of a new coach.

Regarding your rankings for next year:  you might be holding too high regard for Centenary.  They will most likely finish last.  With three wins against cellar-dwellars (which is an insult to cellar-dwellars), Centenary is an automatic 2 wins for almost every PAC team during any year.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 20, 2007, 10:23:59 PM
Chiz,

Did not realize Centenary  was that bad.   Kinda is a slap in the face to the PAC.

Hey Chiz,  what bars do you go to ?

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 21, 2007, 12:13:05 AM
Centenary is bad so is the gym! 2 wins for other teams is correct!

Rumors persist that Chestnut Hill will join the PAC and forgo DII for now!

As far as Cabrini goes, a strong new coach will change  things on the court!

Can't speak to the so called backstabbing you speak of, what specifically are you talking about? Alumni, players what?


Quote from: WolfPAC on March 20, 2007, 12:46:49 PM
Chiz,

Who is taking over at Cabrini....  with all that backstabbing going on over there will an outsider take the job or will it be  someone from the bench?







Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 21, 2007, 08:58:39 AM
Casey's.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 21, 2007, 09:01:55 AM
I'm not hearing the same of Chestnut Hill, but acknowledge that there are such possibilities.  I don't know that much about the Hill.  Is it a good school for the PAC?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 21, 2007, 09:06:25 AM
gamefan,

Backstabbing I was referring to was the chat from suits and ties sitting on the bench about who and when they will become new coach.  They seem to know Coach Macciaocca was gone.  I am not referring to former players or alumni.   
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 21, 2007, 09:13:21 AM
Chestnut Hill is that Speedy Morris's sons team?  He coached the men or women did he not.  I have seen them play.  They have size and tenacity but lack the team concept.  I believe I saw them play at Cabrini 2 or 3 years ago.  The Cavs beat them easily. 

They looked rough and intimidating but they could not play together well as a team back then.  I think they have come a along way since then.  I am mainly referring to the women's team.  The men remind me of a wanna-be Lincoln type of team not quite there yet. 

Guess they are a better asset to the PAC than Centenary.
I thought Stevens was coming here as well.  Not the ranked Stevens but the one from around here.  Stevens Institute of Tech. or something like that.  Why doesn't Rowan or Rutgers figure into the equation.  What about VillaJulie or even CCCP or Phila U. ?





Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 21, 2007, 10:21:51 AM
Everyone involved seemed to know that Coach M. was in trouble!  If you read the interview on the schools newspaper,  players  knew that Coach M was not taking advice from his Assistants including scouting reports as written in the school newspaper! I don't think there was backstabbing but the coaches certainly did not agree with Coach M. philosophy it was evident from the stands there were differences on the staff! I wondered what he was doing most times? He always looked lost when he called a timeout and was usually yelling at the kids not setting up a plan! At least that is how it looked from the stands at the games I attended.

You would know because of your ties, but the article kind says it all! The kids said they felt unprepared most games and it showed. I only met Coach M. once and he was not very friendly at all no people skills, that was not a good thing after the situation that removed Dzik! They needed someone who can relate to the players, familes and the alumni and The School community. Tough spot for anyone following Dzik! Maybe he should have hired TO's publicist after the great job she did for him? Just kidding!

I will deferr to you Wolf since you seem to know the inside of the Cabrini situation. My knowledge is from long distance word of mouth seeing some games and the newspaper article.

There was talk about Stevens Tech but it died out last year, Rowan "football" is an issue for PAC schools as is Rutgers. Philly U is DII doubt Coach Magee would change. PCOM maybe but the Delaware schools are better options close by and decent academic schools also.

Interested to hear you response?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: zonescantstopme on March 21, 2007, 11:45:27 AM
No Love for the Cyclones in this room, Centenary has a brand new facility that just opened in Feb.  They should be alot more competitive if not catch alot of teams by surprise who are underestimating them kind of like you guys are this year, there team battled through alot this year, injuries ect as does every team but it seemed like everything that could have went wrong did for them. 

They have an exceptional recruiting class coming in and only graduate to SR's as well as returning the Number 4 scorer in the country so i wouldnt exactly count them out yet its not like the Pac has UWSP caliber teams.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: zonescantstopme on March 21, 2007, 11:51:12 AM
stevens institute is joining the empire 8 if im not mistaken, they went to the sweet 16 this year
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 21, 2007, 02:31:05 PM
Injuries are part of the game for sure! Every team has to play thru them! Nice to see the new building! They will have a similar advantage as`Marywood because of the drive for most PAC teams.

Time will tell if they can compete in the PAC looks like they could not compete in their present conference by the looks of things.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 21, 2007, 03:59:04 PM
Quote from: gamefan on March 21, 2007, 10:21:51 AM
Everyone involved seemed to know that Coach M. was in trouble!  If you read the interview on the schools newspaper,  players  knew that Coach M was not taking advice from his Assistants including scouting reports as written in the school newspaper! I don't think there was backstabbing but the coaches certainly did not agree with Coach M. philosophy it was evident from the stands there were differences on the staff! I wondered what he was doing most times? He always looked lost when he called a timeout and was usually yelling at the kids not setting up a plan! At least that is how it looked from the stands at the games I attended.

You would know because of your ties, but the article kind says it all! The kids said they felt unprepared most games and it showed. I only met Coach M. once and he was not very friendly at all no people skills, that was not a good thing after the situation that removed Dzik! They needed someone who can relate to the players, familes and the alumni and The School community. Tough spot for anyone following Dzik! Maybe he should have hired TO's publicist after the great job she did for him? Just kidding!

I will deferr to you Wolf since you seem to know the inside of the Cabrini situation. My knowledge is from long distance word of mouth seeing some games and the newspaper article.

There was talk about Stevens Tech but it died out last year, Rowan "football" is an issue for PAC schools as is Rutgers. Philly U is DII doubt Coach Magee would change. PCOM maybe but the Delaware schools are better options close by and decent academic schools also.

Interested to hear you response?

Hoping the AD at Cabrini takes things serious and hires a someone who knows the ways of winning & recruiting.  Thank God for Cabrini LAX .
Centenary used to get trounced in the Dzik era.

Hoping Cabrini leaves the PAC because there is not much out there.  Cabrini is a great academic institution but athletically.....the bb program needs help to get over the top from the people at the top which will not happen until the president is gone.


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 21, 2007, 04:10:01 PM
Game, the school needs a spokesman for the students athletically without a president who takes all the credit.  The AD knows what it takes but the people at the top have made her sort of a puppet and she needs to survive herself.

Without the resources or without a full-time coach the days of the past are long gone without the support from the basketball alumni.  If the students use their own voice, power and right to protest something could happen for them.  Use the education from Cabrini to make it better for all the students.

Tuition is outrageous and the students have less voice.  This is a proud or was a proud D3 institution with a legend at the helm.  Regardless that Dzik is gone the legacy is ongoing in the LAX teams play.  Dzik was also instrumental in hiring the womens basketball coach who is doing a good job in her short time there as well.  Cannot dwell in past. 

The school ( students/athletes) and the campus is great but the top admn must exit for the family atmosphere and the serious recruiting to begin for winning.

Hoping the students prove me wrong. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 21, 2007, 04:27:02 PM
Hey Game one more thing....

Look at all those championship flags in the Dixon Center.  No other schoo in the PAC can touch the Cavs until recently.   Everyone of the those flags was a battle, hard work and grit.    The LAX is just a glimpse of the past glory days.

With Cabrini's talent and campus they could destroy the PAC with some coaching skills and the legacy left.   The president has already made a bad choice though and the AD has her hands tied in a sense.  Students mean dollars so until enrollment declines they don't care at the top.  Dzik did studies for years and cost analysis on a turf field as well as a mens baseball team.  The budget constraints and land lock did bring them a softball field with a team that missed the world series by a game.  The publicity in the paper was endless for the PAC and the school but times are different for the PAC..  the women obviously worked their tails off and upset Rowan in lax.  Makes the PAC better as well.

If the students on campus attended more games and got involved it would help them to understand what is going on as well.   Cabrini College was built by John Dzik and men's basketball and alot of hardworking students not bricks, mortar, and egos. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 21, 2007, 10:26:08 PM
Wolf:

They will bring in a good fit this time. I bet even Dzik would tell you that even he made a mistake or two along the way, it happens!

Will be interesting to see if they promote from within which is why Alvernia made a smooth tranistion! It looked like there was only one assistant who looked to have enough years of experience to pull it off. A current players family sitting in the crowd at a game I attended said he has been a head coach for many years at different levels with the last 2 years at Cabrini.  Others looked too young and inexperienced! Really do not know him though.

Hard to tell what kind of applications might come in from the ad! I bet the AD gets it right after the trouble
from the last!

Wolf with your contacts what has Dzik heard do you know? Have you talked to him or anyone you  know talked to him about the situation?

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 22, 2007, 12:07:17 PM
Game,

Coach Dzik and his wife are having the time of their life down south.  I will not speak for him.

I can tell you however that I doubt if he will ever coach Cabrini again.  He is proud of his former players as well.  He loves the real Cabrini college and the many friends and alumni he has worked for and with over the years.  They are still loyal to him as well.  This will never change.

Many still visit him down there and relive all the memories.   This so-called basketball program at Cabrini now is far removed from the pride and tradition.   John's hardwork and family attitudes literally put the college on the map and created the true Cabrini family.  He even stepped aside for his friends to empower them.  Without dwelling in the past, the president made the worse possible move in ousting John.

Over the years I have learned that people with great, impressive resumes are all fluff.  The true leaders and knowledgeable people do it in their own quiet way and their actions speak for themselves.  I don't care if a person came from the NBA, D1, or Wake Forest... it means nothing in D3 the purest form of basketball.  Everyone applying will come in with their Sunday best but their record needs to speak. Without the support of the admn. it is difficult to execute any plan.

The right candidate would have been Coach Kelly, but his loyalty with Dzik and the alumni has no price on his head and far surpasses any fancy resume.  Time will tell.  One thing is for sure, John still loves the true Cabrini family.

I was hoping the president would be gone by now.   Things would be quite different then they are now.  You cannot just step in and coach just because you coached a high school team either.   Someone who bleeds blue and white and knows the make-up of the school needs to step in and right the ship but this will not happen with the current admn. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 22, 2007, 02:32:11 PM
Wolf:

Thanks for the Dzik family update! Glad to hear they are doing well, he is a good man and a good coach for sure.

From what I hear it will be interesting as the kids and families liked a couple of the coaches on staff! Thats why I asked if you heard any discussion about the one coach?

Wolf:

A resume is one thing but a true coach and people person is easy to read. The last coach was neither of those! I think the admin knows that this choice should be someone who can mingle with the families and the alumni and be liked and get the chance to earn the alumni respect! Whoever is the new coach should reach out to Dzik and see if he can sit down with him and talk. Obviously Dzik can help the new coach understand the school community and the alumni!

I think the alumni will support a coach who invites them back with open arms and talks to them and discusses the things that are going on within! Gonna have to give someone a chance why not try the known who has been on staff and from what the familes said was someone who they could talk to! Will make the transition easier if everyone does not have to get comfortable with a new person.

I have seen many coaching changes in many sports and the changes that go smoothly usually involve someone on staff taking over! There have been times when outsiders comein and do well also but I think there have been more of the former than the latter!

Anyway it will be interesting to see what they choose to do, just hope the BB program gets back on track and I hope that somehow they can have Dzik as a friend and not an eneemy! Shame to see a great tradition not have ties to its very significant roots!

Who knows maybe Cabrini could play Piedmont at their place one year and Piedmont could come up and play Cabrini the next? Would be nice to see! I am sure there could be great interest from the alumni!

In a perfect world!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 22, 2007, 04:25:27 PM
Wishful thinking Game.

If I heard anything of fact regarding a coaching hire I would let you know. I do not like to speculate or start rumors so for now all is quiet. Nice to hear someone else cares out there though.

Cabrini is too good to throw away.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 22, 2007, 05:31:37 PM
Wolf:

Thanks for the kind words! Cabrini is a Diamond that just needs some polishing to become a shining star again!

Lets hope for some good news!

Here's to better times at Cabrini! And as Dickie V says "Keep the Faith Baby"!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: D3fan14 on March 22, 2007, 06:21:02 PM
Gamefan:
"A current player's family sitting in the crowd at a game I attended said he has been a head coach for many years at different levels with the last 2 years at Cabrini.  Others looked too young and inexperienced! Really do not know him though."

Game: I am pretty sure that the person on staff you are talking about at Cabrini is Coach Grandizio. First of all, he does not have head coaching experience nor is he even qualified to get the job because it states pretty clearly that the person needs a minimum bachelor's degree.

Unfortunately, that family had a whole lot of smoke blown up their a**.

I would be very surprised if any of the former coaches were asked to stay on, with the possible exception of Cabrini Alums. Disagreement with the head coach's decisions or not, the coaching profession is a lot about loyalty (Kelly's to Dzik, prime example) so why would any new coach ever want to hire someone who is a known back-stabber?



Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 22, 2007, 07:50:28 PM

Think you should read the ad again.

After reading the ad and, if what I was told in the stands is true, coupled with the Cabrini site saying he attended St. Joes I would think he is qualified!

Sorry if you have a problem with him!

I have no interest except to see Cabrini Basketball get better!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: D3fan14 on March 22, 2007, 08:20:30 PM
Game:

It says St. Josephs, Pa, no grad date on the website. Can't get the BA  or '80 without finishing :-)

If you really want Cabrini to get better then you would want someone with previous college coaching experience and preferably head college coaching experience.

If the admin would support the program with real full time $$ then Cabrini should be able to get and deserves someone better than Grandizio.

And no I do not like him or his alter ego of Allstarscout.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 22, 2007, 10:25:25 PM
None of those guys qualify.  It would just be a stepping stone or feather in their cap to coach Cabrini.

They are dreaming.

Take a look at the leading scorer of the college for the men.  He would be a candidate with his experience but again the admn is in the way and he probably is not ready or willing to accept the job due to the circumstances.

I do feel sorry for Saleem and Bill Leahy who played for Coach Dzik and do care about the program.  Hope they are not just being used by the college to keep the program together and then just dismissed.  The Mayor is one hell of a guy who played his heart out.

It takes alot of intangibles and experience in the clutch to recruit talent and sell the campus. Hard work is what it takes with financial support but the new Cabrini is not about heart and soul but instead bricks, mortar, and collecting paychecks only.  You must live Cabrini, die Cabrini, drink Cabrini, and give it all to the coach on the floor yelling or not yelling at you for the sake of the team and the pride of the Cavaliers.  This is not about ego trips or prestige.   Perhaps the admn needs change before anything else can be corrected.  Just hope they don't mess with the laxcrossers next.

Recruiting when you are already 4 yrs behind is hard enough, then with a new coach and a system to adjust to it just does not happen overnight unless you are Dzik.  Somebody screwed up ! ! !
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 23, 2007, 12:46:30 AM
It takes alot of intangibles and experience in the clutch to recruit talent and sell the campus. Hard work is what it takes with financial support but the new Cabrini is not about heart and soul but instead bricks, mortar, and collecting paychecks only.  You must live Cabrini, die Cabrini, drink Cabrini, and give it all to the coach on the floor yelling or not yelling at you for the sake of the team and the pride of the Cavaliers.  This is not about ego trips or prestige.
 

Wolf are you saying you need to be an alumni to coach at Cabrini?

If so then I guess the following list is not qualified in no partivylar order:

Tubby Smith, Dean Smith, Rick Pitino, Bobby Knight, Phil Martelli, Jay Wright, Larry Browm, Phil Jackson are not qualified?

Just asking Wolf?

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 23, 2007, 10:57:05 AM
d3fan, you crack me up.  I'm glad someone was strong enough to mention who AllStarScout was.  Good job.

I agree with Wolf and gamefan, Cabrini needs a great coach.  I hope they get one, but their and the PAC's sake.  I don't think they necessarily need an alum, but they do need someone who respects, values, and will honor the Cabrini tradition that Dzik created and maintained.  Hopefully the admin will see this as a needed trait.  But I doubt it.

The Cabrini alums deserve it and more so the current players.

On to the next topic, I hope - Does Alvernia repeat next year?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on March 23, 2007, 11:23:16 PM
WolfPAC, with reference to Speedy Morris that was his son who coach Chestnut Hill Girls about five years ago.  He certainly will be a great addition to the PAC.

Chizwiz, with reference to the vern you know coach Miller and his staff will reload. With Alvernia's starting players returning [ Shawell, Bradley, King] and with miller's recruiting skills the vern should get some votes for top 25. Also the vern should be the favorite to win the PAC, and will win the PAC.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach P on March 24, 2007, 01:32:26 AM
I THINK IT IS TIME TO REVEAL SOME INFORMATION ON THIS BOARD...

1. THE PERSON WHO IS FORMER ALL-STAR SCOUT IS ME!

2. IT SEEMS LIKE D3FAN14 IS THE FORMER CABRINI COACH (NOT DZIK) OR HIS SIGNIFICANT OTHER- THE EMAIL ADDRESS OF "BEERSMAC@HOTMAIL.COM" INCLINES ME TO MAKE THAT INFERENCE- BEERS AND MAC IS A COMBINATION OF A MAIDEN NAME AND CURRENT LAST NAME- ALONG WITH THEIR CONSTANT SUPPORT OF THE FORMER HEAD COACH AND THE CONSTANT BASHING OF THE ASSISTANT COACH WHO WAS ASKED TO LEAVE THE TEAM THIS YEAR BY THE HEAD COACH FOR "BACKSTABBING"

3. THE FORMER CABRINI COACH GOT FIRED BECAUSE OF THE PLAYERS AND PLAYER FAMILIES- THE WHOLE TEAM ALONG WITH MANY FAMILY MEMBERS APPROACHED THE ATHLETIC DIRECTOR TO FIRE HIM- ANY PLAYER DURING THE PAST 2 SEASONS CAN CONFIRM THIS-
I WOULD ASK JEFF DAILY, JIM MCMAHON, DOMINIQUE BARRON, OR COLIN FITZGERALD- ALL PLAYED FOR DZIK AND THEN LEFT THE FORMER COACH- I THINK THESE ARE ALL GOOD BASKETBALL GUYS- AND YOU CAN ADD BRUCE MACLELLAND (WHO HAS 1 YEAR OF ELIGIBILITY LEFT) TO THAT LIST WHO DECIDED NOT TO COME BACK NEXT SEASON AND WAS HONORED DURING SENIOR NIGHT, NOW MACLELLAND HAS TOLD THE ATHLETIC DIRECTOR AND ASSISTANT COACHES ON STAFF HE IS RETURNING

JUST SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 24, 2007, 10:17:26 AM
Coach P, please take off your caps lock.  It's that button on the extreme left side of the keyboard that says "Caps Lock".  Thanks.

Next, you haven't been on this site long enough to start naming names.  Nobody will believe you.  Plus, we don't care if d3fan14 is Macciocca.  He's done at Cabrini now.  And that's not him anyway.

Why are you changing accounts?  It's pretty suspicious when you do that.

The stuff you are telling us about Macciocca's firing is not news to anyone, especially those who follow d3 sports.  Give us something more interesting.  And, tell us something more accurate, too.  I seriously doubt that the AD fired the coach solely because of what the parents said.  This isn't high school sports.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 24, 2007, 11:47:56 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on December 12, 2006, 12:52:20 PM





"How and why he let McMahon, Dailey, and Fitzgerald go, only they know. 

First, the team has not fallen because of youth and inexperience.  They fell because he removed his veterans with experience.

I have my source and I stand behind it.  (Hint: I know both Dailey and Fitzgerald.)

Second, watch Macciocca in time-outs.  If he doesn't remind you of a deer-in-the-headlights, then you haven't been driving in Pennsylvania much.  Call me next time he actually calls a set during a TO and we'll throw a party.  I'll throw in a free case of Schlitt's Malt if the set responds to the current defense being shown."
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Chiz

I believe these were your words in an earlier post?  I did take out some things I did not think need to be discussed again, like his income source outside of when he coached! Since you know Dailey & Fitzgerald you should be able to check out the information and give us a shout back!

I think it is interesting especially the information about Beers Mac does make sense  I read in his bio his wifes name was Beers and Mac for Macciocca, unless someone is trying to make it seem like it is them!   I also think the information regarding his firing might be more correct than you think! It was reported that families of the players and the players were very unhappy with this guy!

Whether it is true or not, it certainly makes for some good reading for sure, gotta love a great mystery or as it turned out a great horror story?

Thanks Coach P. We needed something interesting to think and  read about!

Chiz heres your chance to show your Cabrini contacts, check it out for us? Inquiring minds want to know?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: D3fan14 on March 24, 2007, 04:15:43 PM
P

I did not say anything about why Macciocca was fired or imply that he was fired because of Grandizio's dirty work. I just don't like Grandizio and quite frankly think he's dillusional if he believes an interview is in his near future. For how much Macciocca bashing goes on here, I thought I would put my two cents in about who shouldn't be the next coach at Cabrini. What's done is done with Coach M, but for anyone to post on this board that Grandizio should be given a shot is down right ludacrous. (to me)






Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach P on March 24, 2007, 09:37:14 PM
Chiz,

If you knew as much as you say you do, then you would be able to confirm everything that I said; like I can do.... or maybe you can't because your not as close to the program as you once were. Because it is a FACT that the coach was fired due to  player and parent complaints and NOT his record. Your welcome for the more proper use of caps lock. Thanks to your detailed directions I was able to take caps lock off.


Game,

I think we are on the same page. If you need or want more info email me.


D3Fan,

Your opinion on who should not get the job is completely just; but you stated facts about him that "quite frankly" are FALSE and considered to be deformation of character. I welcome your opinions but not your inclination to belittle his character with FALSE information.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 25, 2007, 12:21:33 PM
quote author=D3fan14 link=topic=4289.msg702078#msg702078 date=1174602062]
Gamefan:
"A current player's family sitting in the crowd at a game I attended said he has been a head coach for many years at different levels with the last 2 years at Cabrini.  Others looked too young and inexperienced! Really do not know him though."

Game: I am pretty sure that the person on staff you are talking about at Cabrini is Coach Grandizio. First of all, he does not have head coaching experience nor is he even qualified to get the job because it states pretty clearly that the person needs a minimum bachelor's degree.

Unfortunately, that family had a whole lot of smoke blown up their a**.

I would be very surprised if any of the former coaches were asked to stay on, with the possible exception of Cabrini Alums. Disagreement with the head coach's decisions or not, the coaching profession is a lot about loyalty (Kelly's to Dzik, prime example) so why would any new coach ever want to hire someone who is a known back-stabber?




[/quote]



D3

Your information on Coach G is incorrect he is a college grad. and has been a successful head coach  at other levels! In fact I was told he coached some of the current Cabrini players pror to them coming to Cabrini! I think they said in AAU or High School! A local high school coach I know has confirmed!

Anyway neither you or I will be selecting the next coach at Cabrini! But your attempt to smear Coach G is  defamatory and disgusting "Beersmac"!

Thanks again Coach P for the information!

And Chiz:

Beersmac is Macciocca or his wife for sure! Did you check with Dailey and Fitzgerald about Coach P information?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cabrinibasketballmom on March 25, 2007, 05:16:20 PM
First I would like to say that I have never posted on any athletic e-board.  As the daughter of a Division 1 collegiate basketball player and a former wife of a professional athlete, I use to feel that these boards were for "arm chair quarterbacks/coaches, as well as, frustrated wanabee athletes" however, I am finding that this is NOT true and that some useful and interesting information can be obtained by reading them.

As a parent of a member of the Cabrini Basketball team, I found several posts quite interesting by D3fan14, and wanted to know why this person would smear another Coach, because they are obviously was not a member of the team or coaching staff.  But, to my surprise, in viewing the email address that these postings were coming from, It is my opinion that this email is either, the former coach's wife, family or himself, since Beers is the maiden name of, Ms. M.  (M stands for Macciocca) It is interesting that if he/she/they truly believed what they posted, then identifying themselves should not be a problem, should it? Why hide?  Well I'll tell you why he/she/they hide.

As a parent, I can speak and I choose to speak now. First I must say, that Coach M did NOT have his contract renewed because of his own issues that he refused to adjust or deal with.  His non-renewal did NOT have anything to do with Coach John or anything he may, or may not have shared with the administration, players or parents.  His NON-RENEWAL, was due to his own inability to communicate with his players, treatment of his players and their parents, confrontations with players and Coaches, non-game preparation, division of his team, his attitude, his inability to coach and his constant defiance of the authority of the Cabrini Administrators. 

One thing I'm sure he has learned from this experience is that PARENTS have a great deal of power when it comes to the mistreatment of their children/student-athletes.  NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF A PARENT, especially when WE ARE PAYING, and OBTAINING LOANS/GRANTS for TUITION/ ROOM AND BOARD, for our children to attend a particular University or College.  Certainly don't make comments like, "I wish these parents would go away", "I'm not getting fired, I'm going to be the next Assistant Athletic Director", etc.  None of which was ever going to occur during the time these statements were being made.  They were made during a time when this Coach was losing, being reprimanded by the administration and during a time that he was VERY aware that the parents had joined together against him.

Coach M attempted to separate the team, by the old DIVIDE AND CONQUER method, but that did not work, it backfired!   The parents got together and decided that after Coach M, who had been given a warning in December from the Cabrini Administration, continued to ignore the suggestions of the administration and the parents, that maybe it was time to address the administration as a whole unit and ask them NOT to renew his contact at the end of the season.  So, that's exactly what we did.  Winning had NOTHING TO DO with that decision.  Even if he were winning, the same conclusion would have been reached.  It was all about the inappropriate behavior he displayed to his team and coaches.  The parents wrote letters, called and complained about his treatment of his players and his inability to communicate with players, coaches and parents. 

Coach M had good coaches surrounding him, who were well respected by his players however, his arrogance would not allow him to utilize their individual talents, which in turn could have helped this team win.  Instead, he choose to introduce a former player and alumnus, who had no coaching experience, and was just about the same age as the players, all because this person YESSED him.  This person proved to be a further distraction to this team and also exhibited inappropriate behavior towards players. None of this sat well with an already dejected team or a group of parents.  Players and coaches wanted to win and begged to be prepared for their opponents and hoped that their Coach could make the adjustments necessary to bring the team together and play as a UNIT.  This did not happen.  This brings me to an additional problem; Coach M could not seem to prepare his team for their opponents.  If not for the diligence of Coach John, none of the starters on the Cabrini Basketball team would have been prepared, since Coach M did not want Coach John, to distribute the scouting report to the players.  These reports were only discussed minutes prior to game time, with the addition of no film of opponents being shown, watched, or provided to the players.  What Coach M doesn't know, but will no now, is that certain players were made privy to those scouting reports, thus the reason some games were won. GOOD FOR YOU COACH JOHN FOR TAKING A STANCE!!!!!!!

Now I ask you all, does this sound like a Coach who cared about his team?  Does this sound like a Coach who wanted to win?  Does this sound like a coach who had great communication skills? Does this sound like a Coach who had respect for his team or himself?  I DON"T THINK SO!!!!!!  What Coach M continued to display, knowing all of this, was his arrogance, and his inability to change for the better of ALL involved.  If he had made an honest attempt at change, then he would still be the Head Coach of a Division III program.

This is why I am so appalled at these posts, because he still does not take any responsibility for the reasons he is no longer the Head Coach of the Cabrini Basketball TEAM. 

Last, regarding the negative statements about Coach John; none of this post holds any truth or worth.  Coach John was a stabilizing force for all of our kids during one of the most difficult times of their college basketball careers.  Despite what he was told by Coach M, he managed to stay in contact with the kids, return all of their phone calls and the calls of many parents, attempted to address their concerns without attacking anyone, talk with them about their problems (outside of basketball), and most importantly showed them that he cared about them and what happened to them.  Something Coach M, knows nothing about!  Coach John was responsible for recruiting some of these players, I should say, most the players, and was a GREAT salesman for Cabrini College and their basketball program.  This was NOT the case with Coach M.  The players, as well as, their families have a great deal of respect for Coach John and we have expressed this to the College, as well as, personally thanked him for his continued guidance and support of our children.  I, quite frankly, don't' give a hoot what his credentials are, he is a great coach and most importantly a good human being. 

You need to be careful whom you point fingers at and take a look at yourself, D3fan14, and take responsibility for the reasons you/your husband/family member, are unemployed, and stop smearing others and their sound reputation.

Well I believe I have said quite enough.



Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 25, 2007, 06:15:12 PM
Spoken like a TRUE CABRINIAN cabrinimom.

glad someone else took a stand.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 25, 2007, 06:28:54 PM
Hopefully others will realize who is worthy of keeping as coaches to smooth over the transition to the new coach if need be.   

I tend to find that those who are former opponents of Cabrini or those who were unable to be successful at Cabrini tend to blame their situations on others and cry sour grapes.


Sadly enough, the top administration at Cabrini and mean the very top only care about bottom-line figures.  When the enrollment of the college drops if the athletics are neglected maybe things will change.

Feel bad for all those stuck in the middle.

Good luck to all players and coaches who are trying to right the ship without the support of the school.  Thank God for parents.

If Coach John has what it takes (passion, character, and basketball knowledge of D3 level play) he will be here.  If Cabrini cleans house he won't be here.  Depends on how much money is involved unfortunately unless a person volunteers.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 25, 2007, 07:35:57 PM
Way to go Cabrinimom! nothing like a players parent to tell everyone the truth! Way to keep it real! I knew things were bad but not that bad!

Wolf:

Looks like there might be some light at the end of the tunnel at Cabrini!

The AD listened and moved quickly and decisivly to get rid of the coach thus removing a mistake they had made! It takes a big person to admit to a mistake and make the correction nescessary! Glad to see it happened here and i give kudos to the Administration!

Now it is time to put the coach in place and move forward and get back to the old days of PAC dominence!

And remember to laugh at whatever D3fan14 posts since we all know it is someone from Macciocca's family! "I think his wife" !

I think she needs to stick with coaching her high school team! Maybe she can coach a winning team!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 25, 2007, 09:15:56 PM
cabrinibasketballmom, one karma point for you from me.  Great job.  Obviously, I have no way of knowing if you are who you say you are, but you sure sound legit.  These were all things I was hearing, just a lot more to the point and direct.

'Nuff said.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 25, 2007, 11:17:46 PM
Cabrinimom,   how is the search for the new coach going?
Maybe those who left the team will be back next season as well.

Hey Game/ Chiz...

sounds like things are turbulent at Cabrini.  They seemed to have masked it well.  I would like to think the Cavs have hit rock bottom and can make their move upward. 

Any prospects signed yet ??

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 25, 2007, 11:52:30 PM
Wolf/Chiz


I would think it will be hard to get kids to committ until the coach is in place! I am sure the assistants are communicating with any prospects in the picture!

Just hope they had some studs identified and waiting in the wings?

Hopefully they move fast to name a new coach or they might lose kids!

Wouldm't you agree?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 26, 2007, 08:41:52 AM
Game.

I would believe the recruiting effort is lagging behind at this point.  With the controversy evident and the bad blood recruiting would be different. I know for a fact a few area high schools already know of the situtation and many are already tarnished regarding Cabrini because of the coach.

These are difficult times.  Perhaps if a big-time candidate gets the job things will turn around.  In the PAC, Cabrini is only a few steps away or a couple of guys with talent away from making the playoffs if the coach employs a system of hard work and does his part.

The recruiting efforts though are almost 4 years behind already and things are rough enough without the financial support of the college to the athletica department.   We need Bob McTammey and Jim McTammey but I don't think they would come back unless Dzik was around.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cabrinibasketballmom on March 26, 2007, 08:43:38 AM
I thank you all for allowing me to vent and accepting what I said.  I assure you that I am a Cabrini Basketball Mother and if you read my first paragraph and do your homework  :D you will figure out who I am!

We, as parents, are all hoping that Coach John is seriously considered for this position and also would like to see Saleem remain on the coaching staff, as well.  I am not totally sure what the administration is currently doing, as they seem to not want to discuss this with the parents.  But, as parents, we have managed to find out what we need to know. 8)  I believe that applications were being accepted until March 23 and then the A.D. and the Human Resource department will review the applications, select the candidates and interviews scheduled.  A panel is being assembled, which includes the AD, Assistant AD, a faculty member and I believe, a few members of the team.  I do believe that Coach John will get an interview, despite what d3fan14 would like to see happen, because the parents asked for that to be considered.

Recruitment is another issue.  I totally agree that it is up in the air, due to the non-renewal of the head coach's contract.  But, from what I know Coach John and Saleem are still out there plugging Cabrini and attempting to assure our new recruits that we intend to be a contender next year.  No telling if negative statements are being made by others, if you know what I mean.

I am hopeful that this program will turn itself around and the kids are all looking forward to next year, and have started, AS A TEAM, to work out and take themselves very seriously.  They continue to COMMUNICATE with each other, which is a beginning to a successful program!

Have a great day, everyone! :)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 26, 2007, 08:45:55 AM
 ::)  
who is doing the recruiting for Cabrini at the moment?
Are they falling behind as we speak?
Think they need to go up to New York and recruit. Need a big center and a shot blocker.

The guards can handle themselves.  
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 26, 2007, 08:52:53 AM
Quote from: cabrinibasketballmom on March 26, 2007, 08:43:38 AM
I thank you all for allowing me to vent and accepting what I said.  I assure you that I am a Cabrini Basketball Mother and if you read my first paragraph and do your homework  :D you will figure out who I am!

We, as parents, are all hoping that Coach John is seriously considered for this position and also would like to see Saleem remain on the coaching staff, as well.  I am not totally sure what the administration is currently doing, as they seem to not want to discuss this with the parents.  But, as parents, we have managed to find out what we need to know. 8)  I believe that applications were being accepted until March 23 and then the A.D. and the Human Resource department will review the applications, select the candidates and interviews scheduled.  A panel is being assembled, which includes the AD, Assistant AD, a faculty member and I believe, a few members of the team.  I do believe that Coach John will get an interview, despite what d3fan14 would like to see happen, because the parents asked for that to be considered.

Recruitment is another issue.  I totally agree that it is up in the air, due to the non-renewal of the head coach's contract.  But, from what I know Coach John and Saleem are still out there plugging Cabrini and attempting to assure our new recruits that we intend to be a contender next year.  No telling if negative statements are being made by others, if you know what I mean.

I am hopeful that this program will turn itself around and the kids are all looking forward to next year, and have started, AS A TEAM, to work out and take themselves very seriously.  They continue to COMMUNICATE with each other, which is a beginning to a successful program!

Have a great day, everyone! :)




Thank you!  There is hope.  Saleem is a great person.  (The Mayor)  He is an ambassador for Cabrini a product of Dzik.   He worked his tail off during his days and continues to take pride in his school.   Just wish he would get the support he needs from the rest of the institution.   

I hope this panel and faculty member knows what the hell is going on in terms of basketball.  Seems like the parents know more which scares the hell out of me.   This faculty member is a friend if you are talking about the same person.  I know he if it is him knows the game, cares about the school and is connected with alumni.  Hopefully things are on the right track.

Optimistically,  Wolfpac.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cabrinibasketballmom on March 26, 2007, 08:58:21 AM
To answer your question regarding recruiting, Coach John, and the other assistants are currently doing the recruiting.  The tri-state is covered, but due to the circumstances at Cabrini, new players and their families are shy about committing to Cabrini.  Also, the money is NOT available at Cabrini for basketball and that is a serious problem. The cost of tuition, room/board just increased, and many of the top recruits and their families cannot afford to bear the financial burden Cabrini presents.  Other schools have much better financial aid packets to offer and much better financial solutions to offer their players.  This is why Cabrini is struggling with recruiting. 

P.S. We are aware of the name of the faculty member who will be on the committee, I will post it later, because at the moment I cannot recall his name.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 26, 2007, 09:29:29 AM
Cabrinimom:

Does Coach John know the high school and AAU circuit? Do you know if he scouts and coaches at any big time basketball camps?  I know the best are Eastern Invitational, 5 Star and ABCD along with the Nike camps. Do you have any knowledge if he works these?

Do you know why Coach John was told to stay away from the kids  as Coach P said and you confirmed, was it because Coach M was paranoid or scared by his presence? Why would he push him away if he was doing the scouting and was so well liked he really was foolish!  Did he do this for spite! He might have cut off his lifeline to the team? And ultimatley his job!


Again Thank you for your post regarding the Cabrini situation you really have helped us to better understand what is happening!





Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 26, 2007, 09:38:51 AM
Wolf:

You seem to know Saleem and think highly of him, have you ever met the other coaches? And if so what did you think when you met them?

As I said I had the opportunity to listen to Coach John and Saleem talking to the parents and players after a game both seem to be very professional and seemed to really care about the kids and the state of the team! Again I was impressed by them both, I thought the fact that they made themselves available even after one tough loss after another shows some excellent qualities! These are the qualities you spoke of that Cabrini needed!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cabrinibasketballmom on March 26, 2007, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: gamefan on March 26, 2007, 09:29:29 AM
Cabrinimom:

Does Coach John know the high school and AAU circuit? Do you know if he scouts and coaches at any big time basketball camps?  I know the best are Eastern Invitational, 5 Star and ABCD along with the Nike camps. Do you have any knowledge if he works these?

Do you know why Coach John was told to stay away from the kids  as Coach P said and you confirmed, was it because Coach M was paranoid or scared by his presence? Why would he push him away if he was doing the scouting and was so well liked he really was foolish!  Did he do this for spite! He might have cut off his lifeline to the team? And ultimatley his job!


Again Thank you for your post regarding the Cabrini situation you really have helped us to better understand what is happening!




To answer your questions, Coach John has been a coach at Eastern Invitational for about 10 years and has extensive experience coaching AAU.  He is well liked and respected on the circuit and does a great job at selling Cabrini College.  He also has a great understanding of the game of basketball.

To answer the question about why he was pushed away, below I have included a quote from a letter that I submitted to the AD on January 23, 2007, regarding Coach M, being allowed to remove Coach John from practice, attending games and from direct contact with the kids, which by the way, Coach M plans were foiled, as usual!!!  I believe this was done so that the players would assume that Coach John had abandoned them.  This inturn would destroy his credibility with the players as well as the parents.  What Coach M did not know, is that every parent and most of the players continued to contacted Coach John and eventually found out that his "non appearance" was not of his own volition.  He explained that he was following the instructions of Coach M and the A.D. TWe also found out that the A.D. told Coach John to follow Coach M's instruction, but I believe her rationale was to keep Coach John out of harms way and to not allow him to "take the fall" for Coach M and the problems he created for his team.

Here is an exert and direct quote from my letter to the A.D:

I contacted your office today because, after speaking with my son, I found out that Coach John was not at practice yesterday and in his place was Bill Leahy, Director of Basketball Operations.  It appears that Mr. Leahy has been instructed to take over practices and coaching responsibilities.  I am contacting you because my attempts to reach Coach John, to get clarity regarding this issue, were not successful. 

If all this is true, I hope that this decision was not executed with your knowledge or under your direction.  I am very upset, and disappointed that one of the two Assistant Coaches,  (not Leahy) who has continually made himself available to these kids during a very difficult season, both on and off the court, and has been responsive to these student-athletes all year long, has been removed in any way, shape, or form, by anyone, from having direct interaction with this team!

I am sure that during your interviews with various team members, and any discussions you may have had with parents, that you have come to realize that we all have a great deal of respect for this Coach.  He has proven time and time again, to our kids, that he cares for them and wants nothing but their success, on and off the court.

I am asking that you rectify this situation immediately or this will be another blow to this program.


This is what I sent to the A.D.  The response I received via phone contact, stated that, she was aware of the situation, and asked that I be patient, because the situation would be resolved, as soon as the season was over.

So, there you have it!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 26, 2007, 12:20:49 PM
Game..

I know Saleem, Bill Leahy, and many players personally who have left as well as Good, McMahon, and many many others.   Trust me when I tell you I have been with Cabrini since 1980.   

I have no grudges with any of the coaches except for the obvious.  If these coaches know what it takes and have the support of the fans, parents and rest of the community that is great.  The sad part is the fact that what the institution did to Dzik ( Iknow old stuff) was a major blow but not the only major blow.   Cabrinimom hit the nail on the head.   The problem started with the reign of the current president after the PAC was created with the leadership of John Dzik.  The players and alumni built the Dixon Center and many know of the flags hanging on the wall between 1992 & 1998 during this time.   However the mission or agenda of the president changed and the plug was pulled on the program financially.  Some how Dzik and Leslie with the help of former players an alumni (the real college) held the program together and even got to the sweet 16 without the talent some of the other teams had.  The legacy of those who played before them in the 1980's as well as the hard battles fought by the athletes and coaches who were underpaid but took the teams farther than ever were exploited by the top admn to sell the college and enrollemnent rose.  Money was poured into bricks and mortar and the academic status rose quickly.  The college grew and expanded academically, and athletically thus the PAC was created with Dzik as the main instrument.  Cabrini was becoming a powerhouse in all ways with the president taking all the credit.   Just look at the catalogues in the 1990's.  Dzik was even honored with his wife and the community of the college flourished.  The aging alumni poured money into the place and the Dixon center was built with Tom Nerney's help along with others because of the successful program.  Back in the 80's just look up at all those flags Dzik even beat a couple of D1 schools with big boys 7 ft guys in fact.  He allowed some who would never get a chance to suceed to get a college degree and play sports.  He did it the right way and these kids would play for him until they were dead.   The man was well-respected in the community and coached at the collegiate level prior to his reign.  John Dzik could handle any team and coach any team.  He has the winningest program in d3 history not 2nd 3rd 4th but lst all time until they pulled the plug on his program finanacially.  He still managed to get his teams to the NCAA tourney years after they pulled the plug.  With the help of the other loyal coaches who never get the credit they deserve as well they pulled it off and the school expanded again.  Successful lax, softball, etc were born out of this and enrollment rose again because of athletics.  Alvernia, Eastern, and all the rest of the pac were afraid, intimidated, and envious of the program. 
Finally, the master plan of the president worked and Dzik was ousted.  Now we have a mess without the support of the top admin.  Dzik even stepped aside as we all know so others could flourish and they would not have to leave.  The alumni pulled the plug on the college since the college (president took our voice away) and the mess got bigger.  The result of a once legendary program being destroyed is what we have left. The growth strategy of the college seems to be quality not quantity and the athletics part is suffering because the recruiting is not in line with the new mission or agenda of the president.    Many of those who are at other institutions were denied the chance to play for the Cavs because of dollars sadly enough as Cabrinimom mentioned.  Recruiting has dropped to the cellar.

Thankfully there are still those who are threads left from that era who have passion and loyalty to try to save the program if you could call it one now.
I admit,  personally I do not care if Cabrini wins or loses but I would never go against them in my heart.    The rest of the PAC are the ones benefitting.

As I said before... Cabrini athletics was built by hard work.  There are so many memories, tales, and stories I could tell about the early days, mid days etc... but that is the past.    There were games Cabrini college had no business of being in but pulled the upset.  Like Coppin state, and D1 schools in Iowa before they went D1 I should say.

Remember, from what I am hearing the positives are Saleem and Bill Leahy funny how they played for Dzik.  I just hope the new coach knows what he is in store for in terms of competition.   Now with the realignment of the PAC Cabrini could benefit while they are down.  Alvernia leaving and others only serve to dillute the value of the PAc and take away the automatic bid to the tournament.  Without Dzik as a spokesman things have seemed to take a turn for the worst.   I hope a new legend will arrive. 

So hard to care after what happened but the parents, players, and students are the real campus not the administration so I still support them even though I pulled the plug on the rest of the college.  Perhaps the decreasing enrollment will make an impact.   I heard some kind of rumor the place was being groomed to be sold but I think it is bull.   Those who care must keep the spirit alive until (she is gone) positive change is made.

Tuition is a joke!   Financial aid packages... what financial aid?  Wonder why recruiting is so difficult without the other problems.  Harvard, Penn, is this Ivy league ??   Academically the college is superb, but some of the faculty are disgusted unless they have been ousted by the master plan as well.   Again,  a growth strategy of quality not quantity is not the true Cabrini spirt.    Sorry to babble.... oh what a Cabrini mom will do ! !   Thats just one too!  Power in numbers !   Get rid of the president.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 26, 2007, 12:28:47 PM
Forgot to mention... hope they don't mess with the lax programs and their coaches.  If they do... the end is near.  Bad enough with the conference being torn apart.

Wesley, Arcadia, Misricor,and Alvernia leaving ..... destroys the conference and this might hurt the other sports as well.  What are the AD's doing about the situation.   

Pretty soon it will be glorified intramurals in these schools and no PAC.  Somebody do something who has the strings ! ! ! !

Back to work before I am ousted.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 26, 2007, 04:13:32 PM
Wolf:

I feel your pain for Cabrini!

I understand your feelings about Saleem as they seem to be shared by Cabrinimom, but there does not seem to be any love for Bill Leahy!

Again I know Leahy played for Dzik but it seems from Cabrinimoms letter that he is not liked by either the families or the players! I might be wrong but that is what I took from Cabrinimoms posts along with much much more!

Which one was he? There was Saleem, Coach John and then two others? Not sure which one it was as there was 3 assistants and one director of basketball operations and that position is not a coach according to the website! Wow there must have been a resignation because the 3 assistants name is gone! Can you identifiy him so I know which one he was?

Thanks Wolf or Chiz!

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 26, 2007, 05:15:03 PM
I think Mr. Leahy is just trying too hard! He may be trying to right the ship all in one shot and is intense maybe too intense.  He is good guy.  Again, I cannot speak for parents and other players since I am not directly  on the court with them, but the situation is the situation and if he is not liked well then he is not liked. He will do what he has to do and make the right decisions.  The parents and the community will do what they must as well until a reasonable solution is found.

A natural leader must emerge from somewhere to be on the same page as the new coach who ever it may be.   Whether or not the new philosohpy will work is another story.   Recruit, Recruit, Recruit, Recruit. Believe me when I do tell that Leahy wants nothing else but to win whether or not he is liked.  His lack of coaching experience may be a weakness for him though in terms of dealing with the community which over time he will learn.

I am still trying to figure out who the "yes man" is who got a coaching job. If someone could help me I am not reading something right.   Leahy was not a coach technically but he tried like hell to win and hold the team together according to my direct contact with him.  He rebutted the former coach and almost won a couple of close games by making players go inside and using Reid/ Bruce as assets.  Perhaps someone could clear up the situation.  Mr. Leahy is a well-built short haired young man who does want to win.  I do not know about other politics about how people were hired or what their individual motives were for being assistant coaches.

The mayor is in a class by himself.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 26, 2007, 05:23:13 PM
While I agree that firing Macciocca was the best decision (although it took way too long), I don't think Grandizio is a good idea.  I'm sure his experience is there and his ability to do X's and O's are there, but there is something not there - class and respect.

Both Fitzgerald and Dailey have said to me that they were called by Grandizio about coming back if Grandizio got the job.  This is a classless act by an assistant coach.  It is clear in these actions that Grandizio was trying to garner support for an eventual, if not immediate, ousting of Macciocca.  Grandizio might be a friend of the players and families (I don't doubt this), but he will not be respected by the conference and community coaches, as many already know about his antics, as mentioned.  Local high school coaches know about this and don't respect him because of it.  It's one thing to sit back and let your boss implode, it's another to try to get him fired and set yourself up for the job.  This is what Grandizio did.  I hope, for Cabrini's sake, that they don't make the mistake of hiring him as an assistant.  And I doubt any head coach will hire him for next year if he knows these things.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 26, 2007, 05:30:56 PM
Chiz,  if those are the true circumstances how could one call himself a guy with class.  Doesn't sit well with the rest of the PAC as you mentioned.

I think  the AD has to start new!
I will not bash the guy because he may just be ignorant of how to deal with the situation, but if he was just trying to set up the pins to fall, then shame on him.  I did not like how he starred at me a couple of times.  It was as if he knew I knew what the real deal was and I could see through him. 

But if he is the man for job because of his sensitivity and compassion things could get worse if he doesn't know what he is doing.  Earning respect is more than just listening with an open mind or backstabbing someone intentionally or non-intentionally.

Chiz,  he seems to have a following for what it is worth.   I am tending to agree with you in many aspects.   Game, you need to look at the situation more objectively.  You may see through the whole situation and realize he may or may not be the guy he painted the pretty picture for as the next coach.   
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach P on March 26, 2007, 10:01:40 PM
Chiz,

Only some of your information is correct. Dailey was called about coming back next year regardless of who the coach was; but Fitzgerald was not. Fitzgerald told people he was called to because he wanted to feel as if he was missed and wanted back into the program; when in actuality he was not. Fitzgerald was asked to leave the team. Daily left on his own because of the coach. Dailey was welcomed back and asked to several times; to play for whoever the coach may be.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on March 26, 2007, 10:28:33 PM
I think Dailey would look great in a Eagle uniform! Chiz, maybe you can put in a good work for Coach N and McTammey. I am sure Dailey and McTammey have a good relationship dating back to Dzik's days.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cabrinibasketballmom on March 27, 2007, 08:55:25 AM
Good Morning Everyone:

I feel the need to comment again.   ::) I guess you all really don't get it.  Once again, I will say that Coach John had nothing to do with why Coach M is no longer here! Why doesn't anyone deal with that?  Don't blame him; place the blame where it deserves to be placed.  The state of the team is due to Coach M and the administration lack of resposibility towards their programs.  Coach M has some very serious issues that he should deal with, before he ever attempts be a Coach again.

I will set a few things on the right path.....Coach John DID NOT call a meeting to discuss Coach M, nor did he ever call a meeting with the AD.  THE AD called and scheduled Coach John to come in because several student-athletes and parents had begun to contact the AD and Presidents office. Other Coaches were called in as well.  Even knowing this, Coach John DID NOT say much, which we as parents were not happy about.  But in retrospect, I believe at this point he was probably SMART enough to know that what ever was going on would be dealt with by the PARENTS and students. 

What you all don't know is that by the time this meeting was called the backstabbing had begun, and not by Coach John. Coach M attempted to ruin the credibility of Coach John with the Coaches, players and parents. What's interesting is he knew whom to attack in an attempt to complete his plan.  Funny how it was not Saleem, Tim Redding or Bill Leahy.......You all have no idea what was going on, and it was pretty ugly. 

Regarding contact with Dailey, Coach John did in fact call him, but not for the reasons stated here. Coach P's post to Chiz is correct (the one dated yesterday at 10:01:40 PM).  We all felt bad that this kid left because of Coach M. Anyone who knows Coach John, knows that he cares about these kids and always stays in contact with them; a very rare character trait of coaches, these days.   (For those of you who don't know, Dailey left Cabrini because of Coach M)  In reference to the other call, it was NEVER made.

Parents have these answers because we asked and we have done our homework.  If you are not a member of the Cabrini, team, staff, or parents and DO NOT have an inside track, then you really should be careful what you post on this board about things you know very little about. Speculation and rumors only end up hurting others.  And you really need to stop smearing the one Coach who has defended Cabrini and our kids and stuck with a program even after he was discouraged and ordered from doing so.

Another note; there are SOOOOOOO many things that were left UNSAID by several of the Coaches to the administration, that if Coach John was the "backstabber" you all seem to think he is, then Coach M would have a difficult time securing a head coaching position, again.  If Coach John reads this board, he will be surprised to find out that I know what he knows.  I am very good at finding out information when it comes to the protection of my children.  I am privy to a great source of information, all because of my fathers' connections with the college ranks, as well as, the high school ranks, and he did quite a bit of checking on Coach M when all of these problems began to arise.

Regarding Leahy, he has a great deal of maturing and learning to do with regard to coaching, and dealing with student-athletes, they're problems, and their parents.  This surprised me, as I would think that he would have great insight, since he was a student-athlete himself.  He did not earn the respect of the majority of his team nor did he earn the respect of many parents.  I believe this was due to his need to play "both ends against the middle," you just can't do that.  And yes, he is the "the yes coach" I referred to.  He betrayed the trust that his players/team placed in him on many occasions.  He was resented because he has NO coaching experience, yet he was placed in a position of coaching, under the disguise of "Director of Basketball Operations" and in power over John, Saleem and Tim, which should never have been tolerated, due to his lack of experience.  In addition, the way that he handled this power was not acceptable to the athletes.  Let's remember that he is very close in age to many of the players on the team. Which really could have been a good thing, and in the beginning it was.  However, his style of relaying information to these players was ineffective, as it was not delivered properly.  Based on how he treated my son, which caused my son a great deal of pain, I specifically asked the College not to consider retaining him in any capacity, until he matured and gained some experience in Coaching.  In addition, because of an incident at one of the games, he was spoken to by administration for his behavior towards a player during that game.  This happened because several parents heard how he spoke and saw his actions towards this player, while sitting behind the bench at this game. On a positive note, one thing I do believe about Bill Leahy is that he has a great deal of loyalty to the College, and he has a desire to see this program succeed, and win.  I tend to feel sorry for him, as I believe Coach M used him in an attempt to sway the alumni's opinion of him, which also did not work.

On a final note, I don't believe that any coach from Dzik's days will return to this college.  Sorry to say, but the administration will not entertain that, not sure why, but that is a fact.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on March 27, 2007, 10:19:46 AM
"Regarding Leahy, he has a great deal of maturing and learning to do with regard to coaching, and dealing with student-athletes, they're problems, and their parents.  This surprised me, as I would think that he would have great insight, since he was a student-athlete himself."


Cabrini Mom:
The quote above leads me to believe that you know everything about coaches and what they need to do to improve within the profession. 

#1. Are you an expert on Coaching or did you just sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night?

#2.  As a Penn State fan i'd love for you to help my favorite team in State College find a coach.  Perhaps you could put a call into that AD as well and get him fired.


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach P on March 27, 2007, 11:32:34 AM
Wolf, you said that Bill Leahy is a good person who cares about Cabrini and only wants to win.

My question is this: if he is a good person who cares about Cabrini and only wants to win, then why would he be Macciocca's lapdog and go against everything that Dzik believes. If Leahy is so smart, he would have realized that Macciocca was a bad coach and bad for the program and not have been his bestfriend. Saleem Brown did a pretty good job of being on the staff without getting attached and sucked into Macciocca's ways. If the Mayor could have done it for the benefit of the program like he did, then Leahy could have too. To me, Leahy does not care about winning and he does not have the best interest in Cabrini. If he did, he would not have defended Macciocca till his last day. Instead, Leahy was all about himself and trying to make refernces with a college coach, or shall I say a former college coach.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cabrinibasketballmom on March 27, 2007, 12:08:34 PM
Well Hoopwiz, obviously you have some of the same issues as the person you choose to defend, as evident in your facetious posting.  I wonder why you would attempt to attack a parent? Hmmmmmm......

To respond to your statements, I obviously knew enough about this coaching staff and did my research, in order to take a stand, along with many other parents.  And, if I had a child that attended Penn State who went through the same nonsense as he did at this college, I would do the same.  It actually may have been easier, since one of my parents is a Penn State alumnus.  But now that you mention it, Jerry Dunn got a taste of his players and their parents, and the power they possessed, that's why he doesn't have a job at Penn State.   

As for your last statement; no, my commercial would have me sleeping at a five star resort, (I like to be comfortable ;)) and I would not need to work at Nordstrom's to afford the cost.  Sorry, that wasn't very nice, but then this post wasn't either......

Deal with the reality of my post and what it is truly about; the truth about Carbini Basketball (this year) and the concerns that the parents and players expressed to the administration, which is documented

"Truth is incontrovertible, ignorance can deride it, panic may resent it, malice may destroy it, but there it is." Winston Churchill

P.S.
NOTICED YOUR POST COACH P:  WAY TO GO!!!!!   YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!!! 

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on March 27, 2007, 01:22:27 PM
CMommy:
My point wasn't to bash you or support the coaching staff at Cabrini.  I don't know anyone on the staff, (although with all the posting on this page I feel like I do.)

For personal reasons I have a hard time with parents that enable their children at the first whisper of discomfort, unhappiness or my favorite these days, "personality conflicts" with adults.

I wonder if any of the questions you have now were brought up during the recruitment of your son.  I suppose that you were involved with the process.  You've been all over this 'PAC' message board making statements that lead us to believe you are a very intelligent, connected and perceptive person.  Where were those qualities when you met with school officials during your childs college search?

Perhaps you did ask the important questions and were lied to.  In that case why would you keep your son at the institution? 

The truth is this... Unless student athletes are verbally and/or physically abused, parents should stay out of their business.  They need to learn how to deal with difficult situations on their own, not depend on mommy to come flying in with her political connections and graceful linguistic skills.

Congratulations, you've contributed to the fastest growing problem in our culture, weak young people.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 27, 2007, 01:42:09 PM
Hoopz:

Obviously you have not read the posts! Verbal and mental abuse are two of the claims this lady has! So in reading your explanation she needed to get invovled! And from the sound of her post she did ask many questions somewhere along the line not sure if she said at the time of her sons recruitment or after not sure?

Please read all of the quotes and then make a post if you feel the need to jump ito a conversation you know nothing about by your own admission!

And a word to the wise, I do not think you want to anger the lady who stays in the 5 **** resorts! Just for good measure! Sounds like she does have people in high places from her posts!

Peace and Cabrinimom thanks for keeping it real!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on March 27, 2007, 01:53:39 PM
Game Fan:

Excellent points.  I didn't realize there was physical abuse involved.  Criminal charges?

Perhaps I should read in more detail.

I must admit, the Cabrini stuff is getting exhausting.
I wish there were other news/info to discuss concerning the other PAC institutions rather than just the negative stuff from one of them.

Did anyone hear the joke about the difference between God and Hillary Clinton?

The difference is that God doesn't think he's Hillary.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cabrinibasketballmom on March 27, 2007, 03:42:06 PM
Actually, I was not involved in my son's recruitment process, with regards to basketball, as I trusted Coach John's assessment of Cabrini basketball and his opinion of the college.  I also spoke to Jeff Jones, who is a personal friend of mine, who spoke highly of Coach John and the college.  Therefore, I did not ask the type of questions, that you think I should have asked.  Why would I?  I would have been lied to anyway.  No one was going to tell me what Coach M was really like, and Leahy was not on staff when my son began at Cabrini.

It is because of the verbal abuse and my son's attempts to address that directly (he was chastised for speaking up) that I became involved and eventually spoke up.  I was quiet for a long while, even though parents contacted me and asked me to speak out. 

My son is quite capable of taking care of himself.  Any because you don't know what he has been through in his life, you really should not speak.  If you are who I think you are, you are very well aware, since you were at the other end of his honesty, and you seem to be offended by my statements, defending my son and Cabrini Basketball.  The only person I know that would have a problem with that is Coach M or Leahy....Hmmmmmmm, everyone, put that feather in your cap!!!

Furthermore, I was one of parents sitting behind the bench and heard what was said and saw what happened, and I did not expect my son to take the same position as I chose to take.  YOU COACHES, yes that means you, make it very difficult for our sons/daughters to defend themselves and speak up for themselves, as you punish them for SPEAKING THE TRUTH. But I will tell you that at the team meeting that Coach M called to challenge anyone who had spoken with the Cabrini Administration, (after he was directed not to do so), my son was one of the only players who had the courage to speak up and voice his opinions directly to Coach M, and anyone else who happened to attend that meeting.  In addition, I must have done something right, as my son is very well respected by his peers, as well as, his teachers, and always has been.

I will defend my children whenever, where ever I deem necessary, and really don't give a D$!n what you think about it.  AS LONG I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING HIS TUITION AND ROOM AND BOARD, I AM ENTITLED TO SPEAK.  Coaches forget, they are just that, Coaches, and they should not be given the power that the Administration, parents and players seem to give them.

I only hope I am wrong about you being a coach, because GOD help you if you ever have to deal with the reality of basketball, the players and their parents. 

Sincerely,
MOMMY

P.S. THANK YOU GAMEFAN FOR COMMING TO MY RESCUE!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on March 27, 2007, 03:54:19 PM
Mommy,
Sorry I've gotten you all worked up.
As you can see I agreed that I didn't read carefully and didn't realize that players were being abused.

For the record, I'm not sure who you think I am but if it's someone who's ever been involved with Cabrini basketball then you're definately off base. 
In addition, I am not a coach so you can feel confident that I wont be dealing with the reality of basketball, its players or parents. 

I am interested in what that "reality" is however. 
At least as you see it.

Did your son play for Cabrini or did his relationship with the coach hurt his playing time?
Has he thought of transferring?

I'm sure Chiz could get him a look at the school across the street.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 27, 2007, 04:06:56 PM
Cabrinimom no problem!

Hoopz:

I need to make it clear that I understood it to be mental and verbal I did not say physical!

Gotta remember bloodlines run deep! And the parents are always gonna come to help when the scales of justice are weighted against!

As far as Chiz what could he offer the young man at Eastern! He is not part of their program! But I could be wrong! Is he an assistant coach? I would not know?

Anyway Hoopz peace!

Chiz are you an assistant at Eastern?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 27, 2007, 04:56:00 PM
Quote from: Coach P on March 27, 2007, 11:32:34 AM
Wolf, you said that Bill Leahy is a good person who cares about Cabrini and only wants to win.

My question is this: if he is a good person who cares about Cabrini and only wants to win, then why would he be Macciocca's lapdog and go against everything that Dzik believes. If Leahy is so smart, he would have realized that Macciocca was a bad coach and bad for the program and not have been his bestfriend. Saleem Brown did a pretty good job of being on the staff without getting attached and sucked into Macciocca's ways. If the Mayor could have done it for the benefit of the program like he did, then Leahy could have too. To me, Leahy does not care about winning and he does not have the best interest in Cabrini. If he did, he would not have defended Macciocca till his last day. Instead, Leahy was all about himself and trying to make refernces with a college coach, or shall I say a former college coach.


coach P.

I see where you are coming from.   I must question whether its a power trip or the youthful inexperience of a person not mature enough to seize an opportunity they want to cash in on so bad.  Perhaps the fact that one who was part of the Cabrini glory found it overwhelming to be part of the admn/staff and could not handle it.  Then again, we have to take care of ourselves no one else will.     I do not know you so I cannot judge you sir but if your facts are the facts how could I disagree.  If the circumstances are what they are then the truth is evident.   I wish you well if your intentions are not for your selfish reasons as Leahy was accoused of by the posts. But if you are in it for yourself whats the difference between you and Leahy?   Again, objectively I cannot judge you since I do not honestly know you on a personal level nor do I have the authority to judge you.  If you are doing this from your heart to help the team how could I argue unless you are using people.  If your intentions are for the good.... I wish you luck.. but I do not like to bash anyone including Leahy. 
You cannot fault a man for trying! !  You or Leahy.   
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cabrinibasketballmom on March 27, 2007, 05:44:36 PM
My son does not require your help, he is a starter and plays significant minutes, therefore I am not a disgruntled parent. Sorry to disappoint you.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on March 27, 2007, 11:31:05 PM
A starter that plays significant minutes? I would agree with one thing hoopzwiz said, lets get your soon across the street to play for Coach Nadelhoffer. He would love playing for him; Nadelhoffer runs a great program.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 28, 2007, 08:18:21 AM
Quote from: Coach P on March 26, 2007, 10:01:40 PM
Chiz,

Only some of your information is correct. Dailey was called about coming back next year regardless of who the coach was; but Fitzgerald was not. Fitzgerald told people he was called to because he wanted to feel as if he was missed and wanted back into the program; when in actuality he was not. Fitzgerald was asked to leave the team. Daily left on his own because of the coach. Dailey was welcomed back and asked to several times; to play for whoever the coach may be.
Coach P, considering that you are AllStarScout and Grandizio, we shouldn't have to listen to your baloney.  No respect for you.  You can't coach and post on here.

Please tell us why you changed from AllStarScout.  Were you embarrassed about something?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 28, 2007, 08:22:50 AM
Quote from: East Coast Eagle on March 26, 2007, 10:28:33 PM
I think Dailey would look great in a Eagle uniform! Chiz, maybe you can put in a good work for Coach N and McTammey. I am sure Dailey and McTammey have a good relationship dating back to Dzik's days.
ECE, yes, they do have a relationship.  You probably know about it.  Dailey might be considering a new uniform.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 28, 2007, 08:37:21 AM
I think it's becoming obvious quickly that Macciocca (no longer to be called a coach by me) really treated his team poorly, with an inequal power structure and verbally abused them, as was said earlier.  What a creep.  He had no respect for the position of head coach.

Cabrini Mom, I have no power to get your son to EU, although I know a few people over there.  But, I hope that whomever is coaching at Cabrini next year is able to treat people better than Macciocca did.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 28, 2007, 09:57:55 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on March 28, 2007, 08:18:21 AM
Quote from: Coach P on March 26, 2007, 10:01:40 PM
Chiz,

Only some of your information is correct. Dailey was called about coming back next year regardless of who the coach was; but Fitzgerald was not. Fitzgerald told people he was called to because he wanted to feel as if he was missed and wanted back into the program; when in actuality he was not. Fitzgerald was asked to leave the team. Daily left on his own because of the coach. Dailey was welcomed back and asked to several times; to play for whoever the coach may be.
Coach P, considering that you are AllStarScout and Grandizio, we shouldn't have to listen to your baloney.  No respect for you.  You can't coach and post on here.

Please tell us why you changed from AllStarScout.  Were you embarrassed about something?


Chiz:

I guess you really do not read and comprehend Coach P admitted to being ALLstar Scout and also told us he is not the Assistant from Cabrini! Why you continue to badger and try to smear him I don't seem to understand!

You have said many times you know people at both Cabrini and Eastern which is entirely possible but you always seem to want to make people look bad! It has been shown many times that your information is incorrect regarding the Cabrini situation!  A responsible person who wants to post would refrain for putting bad information on this board!

I think you need to think first then post or speak which you don't seem to do! Plus you say he can't coach and post? If that is the case why are there Eastern Coaches posting on this board and you know who they are! You continue to attack someone who you think is a coach but is not that has been confirmed by several people! I guess the next question is what is your point for posting? Is it just to smear good people with poor inaccurate information or just argue with people so you hear yourself speak? I don't get it !

At this point you appear to be an immature and insecure individual and you really need to be smarter with what you say even if you hate Cabrini Athletics for what ever reason!

Peace,  I'm out

One last piece of information I have been involved in the legal field for over 20 years and some of the things you have posted are slanderous and defamatory in nature! These things tend to be frowned upon by the legal system and yes these posts can be printed and used as evidence in a court proceeding! It could be very costly for you and expensive for you to defend! If you continue and this man chooses to bring suit to recover from the damage you may have caused him you will never forget it!  I guarantee it!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on March 28, 2007, 03:00:33 PM
Well I took a break from posting for a while and have just recently caught up on all of the recent postings and feel the need to post. (I will reveal my name to those of you who dont already know to give credibility to my insights.

Some thoughts:

Cabrini Mom I commend you for speaking up against Coach M and explaining to everyone in here an in depth side of the story.  I will second your statement that Coach M has only himself responsible for his firing as Cabrini Head Coach.  The statement that was mentioned that Coach M never took any blame for the problems of the program is accurate.  I will recall 2 situations that affected me personally to prove this:

     1) Each year there is a small college all star game for seniors in that played bball in the area.  Coach M asked me and the two other seniors in my class if we wanted to play in the game.  Our response was that we definitely did want to play.  Unfortunately the game came and passed without us ever knowing.  When I confronted Coach M he gave me a little shrug and responded I didnt think you wanted to play.  He has still not apologized to this day.

     2) The second incident still pisses me off to this day.  We lost a backbreaking game at Gwynedd Mercy in which we were up 25 with about 13 minutes to play.  Because of tie-breakers it elimenated us from having a chance to make the PAC playoffs.  It was a bad situation, but would become much worse when another coach within the PAC told me in person about coach M's comment about the game.  His comment was "My seniors just dont know how to win". Never mind that we were woefully under prepared for games and never made any half-time adjustments.  In his mind it was simply that his seniors who have played for the likes of John Dzik, Speedy Morris and Herb Magee did not know how to win.


As far as the debate on Coach Grandizzio
-I will confirm that fact that he is very nice man and without a doubt cared about the well being of the players.  Unfortunately it is completely irresponsible for him to stab his head coach in the back as he did, no matter how wrong Coach M was in most situations.  I will also say that this didnt just start this year.  It occurred almost from the start of the 05-06 season when Coach Grandizzio would let it be known to just about any one on the team of what he thought of Coach M.

I do not want it to seem as though I am sticking up for Coach M.  He certainly got what he deserved because of the way he treated his players.  However there are certain things one cannot due as an assitant coach and in my opinion Coach G crossed that line in an all but to frequent basis. 

As for the future of the program I hope this time that the players opinions are considered.  Before Coach M was hired, the players met with the final 5 candidates for an hour.  The team as a whole all decided in favor of Coach M (Be careful what you wish for).  Myself and another captain were against this decision but we were overruled.  So after all the meetings were finished the current AD called myself and another captain into her office to ask our thoughts on who they should hire.
We explained how everyone but us liked the Maccoica the best and expressed the other 2 coaches we were most impressed with.  The AD's response after we were finished was that they had already decided to hire Maccoica earlier that morning.  So what Im getting at is that we were told that our input would matter when in reality they wasted about 6 hours of my life BS'ing me. 

Sounds familiar to an previouse situation huh Wolfpac?

In my opinion hopefully the house is cleaned and the program can start fresh with a coach that has more than two years experience coaching at the college level.  No disrespect intended to Coach Grandizzio.  I simply feel it is necessary to hire someone with a previous winning resume.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on March 28, 2007, 03:01:26 PM
Oh by the way my name is Jimmy Good for those of you wondering. Thanks for reading my long post.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 28, 2007, 05:04:47 PM
Quote from: PacMan20 on March 28, 2007, 03:01:26 PM
Oh by the way my name is Jimmy Good for those of you wondering. Thanks for reading my long post.

PACman20

You are a fine young man from a nice family. I know you and your parents and your academic integrity. Your parents sent you to this institution called Cabrini when I know for a fact you could have chosen almost anywhere.

You are still working hard at your grad school and after you tell me your input and voice as a captain on the team was blown off by the admn, well this is what Cabrini stands for now as the alumni already know well enough.  It is difficult to support anyone that is part of the admn of the college or part of the system installed by them.

The college is a disgrace, I don't care who the next coach is or whether they win or lose until the administration is gone.  I know you completely understand.  Their so-called basketball program is a joke.  I feel bad for the parents and students.  They better realize recruiting won't be so friendly for them no matter who is nice or who is yesman for the program.  Dailey looks good in an EU uniform.  Coach N. is one nice, intense, funny, and savy coach.     St Joe's Prep is a fine high school.

Thanks for having the guts to tell it like it really is pm20.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on March 28, 2007, 06:02:56 PM
The best man for the Cabrini job is former alumni and a Dzik disciple Pat Zipfel. But alas, he would never take this job because he is loyal to Dzik and knows that he can do much better considering his experience.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach P on March 28, 2007, 10:48:41 PM
Chiz, I am NOT Grandizio!!!!



Wolf,
I have nothing against Leahy at all. I met Leahy a few times and he never did anything bad to me. But I know of his actions this year and was in total disagreement with the way he acted. I feel Leahy betrayed Cabrini by trying to advance his own career rather than sticking up for what he believed would be beneficial for Cabrini. Everyone knows Macciocca made mistakes and will be a better coach in the future if he learns from them, but he was not good for Cabrini and Leahy supported him and helped Macciocca keep his job as long as he did. Coach Brown and Grandizio both distanced themselves from Macciocca because they knew what was best for the program (Leahy could have done the same but HE chose not to!!!). I am not sure with why people are calling Grandizio a backstabber- he obviously knew Macciocca was running Cabrini Basketball into the ground , and he did what he had to do to save the program from further disaster, and I respect him for that. And more people should respect that as well.

I did not come on this board to point out who D3Fan14 was or even rip on Macciocca, I came to defend some people who were being falsely accused, and I know that for a fact and can prove it! Macciocca felt Grandizio backstabbed him and wanted to do everything in his power to make sure Grandizio does not get the coaching job by stating lies; and I only wanted to make sure the truth was told.

Also, I understand your frustration with the administration because of the Dzik situation. I am in total agreement that Dzik should have 500 wins by now. But hopefully you can look across the street at the improvements the administration is trying to make. They ARE making improvements. A good example is the number of coaches who will be full time employees next year, I think the number will be around 4 or 5.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 29, 2007, 10:39:51 AM
Be careful of the admn you speak about.   Don't let them blow smoke at you.

Full time coaches were created as a result of grants and monies allocated for counseling and positions for women administration, spiritual and academic counseling which part-time coaches got thrown on them so they technically can be sold as full-time employees serving other functions.

Neary for one example.  Hope they get paid like full-timers.  Others have positions in admissions or records with some other loopholes.  Don't be fooled into thinking the college created full-time athletic positions to cure the program.   If one reads the situation the other way and the college created loopholes to insure a coach was on campus full-time for the benefit of the athletes that can be a good thing if the coach is justly compensated. I am sure the coaches have other jobs or positions not just to focus on athletics like one believes.  I hope they get benefits as well from a non-profit private organization with budgets, and compliance issues for assessments for future funds.

These coaches are so committed to their programs they need to be paid like full-timers, not given money for compliance and called "full time" when they are technically not.  Ask Dzik how the game is played.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 29, 2007, 11:48:52 AM
Wolf:

I agree with some of the things you said in your post! I do think the Cabrini administration is trying to get their coaches on campus on a fulltime basis! And yes you are correct that these coaches will have other duties but it will allow them to be there for the students and I think we can both agree that this is a good thing!

Time will tell what is going to happen!

I personally would love the opportunity to speak to John Dzik to hear his ideas and views but I do not know the man only his legend!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 29, 2007, 11:57:07 AM
And by the way i don't think you can pin the allstar game thing on the Admin it was the coach I am sure as evidenced by all of his other transgressions!

And I do not beleive Pacman or Good belonged in a Pac or college allstar game from Cabrini's team last year Bennett, McMahon and Dailey did though! Good was an marginal player from what I remember! I was able to see them play 4 or 5 games last year when Good was on the team!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 29, 2007, 12:47:54 PM
Quote from: gamefan on March 29, 2007, 11:57:07 AM
And by the way i don't think you can pin the allstar game thing on the Admin it was the coach I am sure as evidenced by all of his other transgressions!

And I do not beleive Pacman or Good belonged in a Pac or college allstar game from Cabrini's team last year Bennett, McMahon and Dailey did though! Good was an marginal player from what I remember! I was able to see them play 4 or 5 games last year when Good was on the team!
Gamefan, you need to be able to admit that you don't know as much about this area's basketball.  That all star game is only for seniors.  So, Good was supposed to be there.  You would know this if you were in any way in communication with a local college basketball program.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 29, 2007, 12:54:35 PM
Quote from: gamefan on March 28, 2007, 09:57:55 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on March 28, 2007, 08:18:21 AM
Quote from: Coach P on March 26, 2007, 10:01:40 PM
Chiz,

Only some of your information is correct. Dailey was called about coming back next year regardless of who the coach was; but Fitzgerald was not. Fitzgerald told people he was called to because he wanted to feel as if he was missed and wanted back into the program; when in actuality he was not. Fitzgerald was asked to leave the team. Daily left on his own because of the coach. Dailey was welcomed back and asked to several times; to play for whoever the coach may be.
Coach P, considering that you are AllStarScout and Grandizio, we shouldn't have to listen to your baloney.  No respect for you.  You can't coach and post on here.

Please tell us why you changed from AllStarScout.  Were you embarrassed about something?
Chiz:

You have said many times you know people at both Cabrini and Eastern which is entirely possible but you always seem to want to make people look bad! It has been shown many times that your information is incorrect regarding the Cabrini situation!  A responsible person who wants to post would refrain for putting bad information on this board!

I think you need to think first then post or speak which you don't seem to do! Plus you say he can't coach and post? If that is the case why are there Eastern Coaches posting on this board and you know who they are! You continue to attack someone who you think is a coach but is not that has been confirmed by several people! I guess the next question is what is your point for posting? Is it just to smear good people with poor inaccurate information or just argue with people so you hear yourself speak? I don't get it !

At this point you appear to be an immature and insecure individual and you really need to be smarter with what you say even if you hate Cabrini Athletics for what ever reason!
gamefan, since you said it, I'm going to call you to task.  Who are the Eastern coaches posting on this site or any other?  If you can't name them, we all know you are full of it.  Secondly, regarding that great legal advice you gave me, I have one thing to say - legal advice is as good as the amount of money paid for it.  Since you gave free advice, we all know how good the advice is.  And good attorneys don't give worthwhile free advice.  Don't quit your night job.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 29, 2007, 08:45:46 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on March 29, 2007, 12:47:54 PM
Quote from: gamefan on March 29, 2007, 11:57:07 AM
And by the way i don't think you can pin the allstar game thing on the Admin it was the coach I am sure as evidenced by all of his other transgressions!

And I do not beleive Pacman or Good belonged in a Pac or college allstar game from Cabrini's team last year Bennett, McMahon and Dailey did though! Good was an marginal player from what I remember! I was able to see them play 4 or 5 games last year when Good was on the team!
Gamefan, you need to be able to admit that you don't know as much about this area's basketball.  That all star game is only for seniors.  So, Good was supposed to be there.  You would know this if you were in any way in communication with a local college basketball program.



Pacman/Chiz/Good

If you look at all of my posts I never said I was in contact with a college program, I spoke of a high school coach I know who confirmed some things that were posted by others on this board! But I guess you slept thru reading and comprehending class while you were at Cabrini!

Second I saw you play and you were at best marginal and probably would have missed a lay-up if you played! But I beleive both MacMahon and Bennett belonged in the game!Blame the head coach noone else!

If you are so mad about it why don't you contact your old coach at beersmac@yahoo to get an explanation! don't be mad at the world like you seem to be in your posts. Anyone that speaks positively about Cabrini you attack! Isn't it funny that you support Good???????

As far as the legal advice use it as you please! And if you knew how to read and comprehend you would understand what I said! I said I was in the legal field which last time I checked has lots of different jobs besides attorney's like investigators, private detectives, police!

So get on with your life, get over the nongame and just plan growup!


Peace, i'm out
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 29, 2007, 10:02:43 PM
Quote from: gamefan on March 29, 2007, 08:45:46 PM
As far as the legal advice use it as you please! And if you knew how to read and comprehend you would understand what I said!

...

So get on with your life, get over the nongame and just plan growup!

Trying to read and comprehend, but grow up is two words and plain has an I.

Yeah ... you asked for it.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on March 29, 2007, 10:42:51 PM
Pat:

Thanks for the correction, I did fall asleep during spelling class once!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: wal 11 on March 30, 2007, 11:49:39 AM
It is sad that regardless of the situation you had coaches playing the "game against each other. I know that one of which you speak is on here giving his point of view. Cabrini should clean house.. I coaches against Dzik and he has my utmost respect and it is disappointing to see what has happened to such a fine program. I wish the players and their families the best.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach P on March 30, 2007, 11:44:00 PM
Wolf,

Not sure I agree with you, but we'll see. How is Eastern's offseason coming along?

- P
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: East Coast Eagle on March 31, 2007, 10:06:14 PM
Coach P,
How do you know this information about Cabrini Basketball, you must validate your information . I am not saying I don't agree with you, because I do, just wondering how you are affiliated.

Who are the 4 - 5 coaches that will be full time. I know of 1 this year (a womens multi-sport head coach) and 2 more for next year (mens and womens basketball head coaches) which makes 3 total.

And from what I am hearing, Eastern's recruiting has been great! Coach N has added at least 2 recruits who will be impact players from Day 1.


PacMan,
I agree about your frustration towards the All Star game, although I would direct it towards someone who isn't there anymore.






Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on March 31, 2007, 11:08:06 PM
Quote from: Coach P on March 30, 2007, 11:44:00 PM
Wolf,

Not sure I agree with you, but we'll see. How is Eastern's offseason coming along?

- P


EU and Coach N. are on the right track.  Cabrini is on the wrong track in recruiting and are falling behind.  Coach N. is someone to relate to and play for without worrying about the bull...  he is a straight forward kind of guy and doesn't play games.  He is a real man unlike some across the street.

Eu could put the Dixon center to good use better than Cabrini.  (not including the women).

Coach P.  Are you alumni or a coach?  Why do you care so much about Cabrini?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on April 01, 2007, 11:41:59 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on March 29, 2007, 12:54:35 PM
Quote from: gamefan on March 28, 2007, 09:57:55 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on March 28, 2007, 08:18:21 AM
Quote from: Coach P on March 26, 2007, 10:01:40 PM
Chiz,

Only some of your information is correct. Dailey was called about coming back next year regardless of who the coach was; but Fitzgerald was not. Fitzgerald told people he was called to because he wanted to feel as if he was missed and wanted back into the program; when in actuality he was not. Fitzgerald was asked to leave the team. Daily left on his own because of the coach. Dailey was welcomed back and asked to several times; to play for whoever the coach may be.
Coach P, considering that you are AllStarScout and Grandizio, we shouldn't have to listen to your baloney.  No respect for you.  You can't coach and post on here.

Please tell us why you changed from AllStarScout.  Were you embarrassed about something?
Chiz:

You have said many times you know people at both Cabrini and Eastern which is entirely possible but you always seem to want to make people look bad! It has been shown many times that your information is incorrect regarding the Cabrini situation!  A responsible person who wants to post would refrain for putting bad information on this board!

I think you need to think first then post or speak which you don't seem to do! Plus you say he can't coach and post? If that is the case why are there Eastern Coaches posting on this board and you know who they are! You continue to attack someone who you think is a coach but is not that has been confirmed by several people! I guess the next question is what is your point for posting? Is it just to smear good people with poor inaccurate information or just argue with people so you hear yourself speak? I don't get it !

At this point you appear to be an immature and insecure individual and you really need to be smarter with what you say even if you hate Cabrini Athletics for what ever reason!
gamefan, since you said it, I'm going to call you to task.  Who are the Eastern coaches posting on this site or any other?  If you can't name them, we all know you are full of it.  Secondly, regarding that great legal advice you gave me, I have one thing to say - legal advice is as good as the amount of money paid for it.  Since you gave free advice, we all know how good the advice is.  And good attorneys don't give worthwhile free advice.  Don't quit your night job.
gamefan, we're all still wondering who those EU coaches are that post on this board.  Back up your statements or stay silent.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach P on April 02, 2007, 11:48:41 AM
Wolf,

Although I would love to reveal my identity, I do not think that would be a good idea due to some of the statements and facts I have stated on this board. But I think I have proved my information is all valid. Where is D3Fan14.... I must have been right on that one as well.

Let's not bash Macciocca's manhood (or place of employment like in previous posts- not you Wolf). We all know he was a bad coach who deserved to be fired from his coaching job, and let's leave it at that.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on April 02, 2007, 02:13:28 PM
Coach P.

I have an inclination of who you may be but at any rate your last post has earned my respect.

The way you speak seems familiar to me in some weird way.  I believe you are not who others claim you to be.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach P on April 04, 2007, 03:06:37 PM
Wolf,

Thanks for the kinds words and trying to recongize my true indentity. Hopefully Cabrini can re-establish their program. A Dzik influence could be beneficial.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on April 04, 2007, 04:24:38 PM
Wolf and Coach P:

Either of you make it to the Donofrio last night? Had a prior engagement just wondering how the games went looked like some interesting games by the scores?

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on April 06, 2007, 10:26:06 PM
Nada, Game, don't know.


Happy Easter!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gamefan on April 07, 2007, 12:10:26 PM
Wolf, Coach P and D3hoops community!

Have a Safe and Happy Easter!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on April 11, 2007, 04:40:19 PM
Pacman/Chiz/Good

If you look at all of my posts I never said I was in contact with a college program, I spoke of a high school coach I know who confirmed some things that were posted by others on this board! But I guess you slept thru reading and comprehending class while you were at Cabrini!

Second I saw you play and you were at best marginal and probably would have missed a lay-up if you played! But I beleive both MacMahon and Bennett belonged in the game!Blame the head coach noone else!

If you are so mad about it why don't you contact your old coach at beersmac@yahoo to get an explanation! don't be mad at the world like you seem to be in your posts. Anyone that speaks positively about Cabrini you attack! Isn't it funny that you support Good???????

As far as the legal advice use it as you please! And if you knew how to read and comprehend you would understand what I said! I said I was in the legal field which last time I checked has lots of different jobs besides attorney's like investigators, private detectives, police!

So get on with your life, get over the nongame and just plan growup!


Peace, i'm out
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Gamefan,
First of all, I brought up the all-star game story just to prove a point of how inconsiderate the prior coach at Cabrini was about his players.  I have never claimed to be an all-pac type performer.  Growing up in the Philadelphia area, I have played basketball in the area all my life so after a while you start to develop a friendship with other players in the area who you have played against throughout the years.  I was merely disappointed that I was not given the oppurtunity by, of all people my coach, the chance to play in this game.  Also, Im not gonna get into a playground argument about the validity of my previous basketball game.  I actually to much work for my job and grad school to get into a petty argument.

As to your point about me bashing anyone that says anything good about Cabrini.  It is just disappointing to see how much things have changes in a span of three years.  I was fortunate to have the oppurtunity to have the oppurtunity to have one year under the leadership of Coach Dzik and the whole dedicated coaching staff.  I am further grateful that I have remained in contact with many members of the staff since they were forced by the president of the institution, which is something that cannot be said for the Coach M's staff except for Saleem.  I am not mad at the world, rather im mad at certain officials who took away the oppurtunity for myself, anthony and jmac to have a great senior season. 

Tuesday night is the only weekday that I do not have class at night, so I figured I would go up to Cabrini to workout.  When I got there, a pickup game was going so i figured the guys from the team were playing.  I was surprised when I walked in the gym that there were 3 people playing that were not even on the team.  I waited for the game to end so I could get on for a run.  When first game started and we had a good game to 12 (I hit three three's and didnt miss any lay-ups) and I was ready for another when certain people decided that they had played enough.  My point is that three years ago when I first transferred to Cabrini, if you were playing pick-up and you lost you would have to wait at least one game maybe two to get on the court again.  Thats how many people showed up and it made the atmosphere extremely competitive.  How things have changed!

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on April 12, 2007, 12:35:20 PM
Pman2o

It is horrible at the campus isn't it?  The so-called basketball program was a complete flop.   Feel bad you guys, Anthony, Jim, yourself, Jeff, Saleem and others inside got screwed by the administration.

Hard to care.  Just more curious now I guess to see how bad a once proud program destructed itself.  Even more curious to see what coach they will dig up next.  Seems like more changes are in store.  They better start at the top though.   All a bunch of puppets.  Selling the legacy of a once great program to a naive group of students is their new recruitment strategy.

Could best be described as a bunch of intramurals now.  What a travesty.

Remember, all good things come to an end.   Guess the administration is so bad that part will never end.   
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on April 12, 2007, 03:27:49 PM
PacMan,

Don't worry about gamefan.  He doesn't know much about the area basketball and is just here to bring uninformed discussion to the forefront.  It's worse than listening to Rosie O'Donnell.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on April 25, 2007, 02:08:08 AM
Folks, let's liven up this board.  Pre-season picks (before too much is known about recruits and returners).  You can change your picks just before the season starts.

Here's mine.  Cut it apart as much as you like.

1.  Alvernia
2.  Eastern
3.  G-MC
4.  Immaculata
5.  Misericordia
6.  Neumann
7.  Cabrini
8.  Marywood
9.  Centenary

By the way, if you start arguing about the cellar-dwellars, you'll sound like an idiot.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on April 25, 2007, 07:40:51 AM
Chiz,
Pretty solid "Pre-May" rankings.  I think its hard not to put Immac higher considering how they finished last season and have everyone coming back.  They've got young studs, at least athletically, a #2 ranking wouldn't be crazy.

I think Neumann could finish higher as well.  Second year in the new system, still very athletic, tough home court. 

I think the big question is GMC.  Lost a backcourt that started nearly every game for 4 years.  Probably be better at the point but DelBrocco will be tough to replace.  Smith will probably slide onto the all-conference team but youth at guard can be dangerous in the PAC. 

#1. Alvernia
#2. Immaculatta
#3. Eastern
#4. Neumann
#5.  GMC
#6. Misericordia
#7. Cabrini
#8. Marywood
#9. Centenary

Cabrini might surprise depending who they hire.
Don't know anything about Marywood nor Centenary.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on May 02, 2007, 11:16:41 AM
Here is an update about the vacant head coaching job at Cabrini.

According to my source the finalists for the job are Matt Allen, Jim Casicano, Greg Herenda, Chris Parsons.  Not sure myself any backround info about the candidates.

It is apparent that the athletic department still has no clue what they are doing.  After at least 2 months of no action they decided to schedule meetings for the players with the potential candidates. However this coincides with finals week and some members of the team already heading home for summer break. Unfortunately some will not get the chance to meet the candidates due to geographic reasons and summer committments.  However as we have seen before while the players are told their input matters, it really has no bearing on the situation because the administration of Cabrini is going to do what is best for them, not their students.  Sorry for the run-on sentence.

Jim
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on May 04, 2007, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: PacMan20 on May 02, 2007, 11:16:41 AM
Here is an update about the vacant head coaching job at Cabrini.

According to my source the finalists for the job are Matt Allen, Jim Casicano, Greg Herenda, Chris Parsons.  Not sure myself any backround info about the candidates.

It is apparent that the athletic department still has no clue what they are doing.  After at least 2 months of no action they decided to schedule meetings for the players with the potential candidates. However this coincides with finals week and some members of the team already heading home for summer break. Unfortunately some will not get the chance to meet the candidates due to geographic reasons and summer committments.  However as we have seen before while the players are told their input matters, it really has no bearing on the situation because the administration of Cabrini is going to do what is best for them, not their students.  Sorry for the run-on sentence.

Jim

Oh boy!  Here we go again.  They will never get it right.  Just alot of politics and smootching over players and parents.

Way to ruin a program.  And for those who think it can't get worse.... just wait and see.   Jim, what do they do about recruiting?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on May 05, 2007, 01:26:08 AM
I can't speak to the timeline of the Cabrini search process, but I don't think it's necessary for every team member to meet with candidates.

Typically, a few upperclassmen/captains serve as team representatives.

If it's true Jim Casciano is a candidate - he's been a head coach at several places/levels, including King's and Valley Forge.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on May 05, 2007, 10:05:11 PM
I can't understand why Matt Allen, Jim Casicano, Greg Herenda, and Chris Parsons are candidates for the Cabrini position, not that they all aren't qualified, because they are.  First, Parsons and Allen are DI assistants at quality schools and would take a pay cut to become the head coach of the Cavaliers, even if it is definitely full-time? Herenda has been a top level DI assistant and is a juco coach in the midwest, and if he wants to get back into DI it isn't going to be through Cabrini.  Casicano is a DI head coach at NJIT, and granted they are still a young program it is still DI but it doesn't make sense for him to be looking at Cabrini.  So WHY would he take two steps back?  The answer more than likely is he wouldn't.

Whatever happened to looking within the Cabrini family?  Last time I checked none of these candidates had any ties to the college.  But they all appear to be quality candidates.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on May 07, 2007, 09:18:49 AM
Heat, if the college has to pay them like coaches to get them there and have a full-time position why the hell didn't they just keep John?

Major screw up.  Personal vendetta ?   Makes no sense.  Think the admn is only blowing smoke up peoples..... and trying to show up Dzik.  Wow! if a staff from the Cabrini family is able to make good things happen and these other coaches from D1 programs are not able.... what does that say about the situation?

Anyone else hear differently?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on May 08, 2007, 08:14:54 PM
Hey all,

The four names I mentioned earlier were given to via a current player on the team.  Obviously due to his situation I will not reveal his name.  He told me that he received an e-mail from the athletic department of Cabrini giving those four names to him.  I can only speak for the info that was given to me.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on May 13, 2007, 10:40:06 PM
I can confirm the names that were mentioned above.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on May 15, 2007, 04:13:46 PM
The vern will beat cabrini on the road and at home.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: triple3 on May 15, 2007, 11:15:17 PM
I am new to this board but I have been someone who has followed Cabrini Basketball for a long time. I was ashamed at how they disposed of Coach Dzik like a piece of trash! What a shame for someone who meant so much to not only Cabrini but also to the PAC!

And look at who they picked to replace him someone with no Head Coahing experience at any level! No wonder he got fired! Now looking at the names mentioned in the running for the job now:

Lets take a closer look:

Two of the candidates Parsons and Allen have 0 zilch Head Coaching experience at any level! Hello didn't they learn from the last guy? I guess not!

Coach Casciano:

Did well at VMFA, Left for Kings had a nice run there and then NJ Tech having a rough time. After going to several Cabrini games these kids willl not be able to handle Casciano and his Milatary style! Especially the one kid lefthander, don;t remember his name because he is not a college player at any other school! I witnessed this kid scream at the fired coach and show no respect for anyone! This is a cancer on that team! It is like trying to stuff a square peg in a round hole but he is the best candidate from these four !

And last but certainly least Herenda"

You have got to be kidding look at his record it speaks for itself!

Conclusion :

The inmates are running the asylum! The AD really has done a poor job first with the last hire and then knowing they were going to fire the coach and waiting 2 months to start the search? Great plan maybe the problem isn't the coaches its the AD and the rest of the administration!

I for one will never go to or support anything regarding Cabrini! The money I used to contribute to the school will go elsewhere from now on!

What a shame! Might as well merge with Rosemont  and go back to an all girls school ?

They went after the last coach how long before they get the AD and staff? Too long the damage is done !Cabrini is the lauging stock of the PAC and of college basketball in these parts!


Triple3
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on May 16, 2007, 08:12:57 PM
Could not have said it any better.

Rosemont on King of Prussia Road.   The lacrosse team is so good but cannot  get past a second round.  The school is falling athletically.

Get rid of the administration and the place will be restored.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on May 18, 2007, 09:20:05 AM
In case  you have not heard


Cabrini has a new men's basketball coach.   Does anyone know anything about him?

Hope the change is for the better.

Herenda.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on May 18, 2007, 04:22:02 PM
Herenda was the head coach at Elgin Community College in Illinois where they went to the regional championship game and lost. and finished 18-11. Previously he had been the associate head coach at East Carolina for former Drexel coach Bill Herrion.  Prior to that he was at Yale as an assistant, Seton Hall, and Holy Cross.  He has the experience and can be a winner at Cabrini, but in order to get him they must have either made this job full-time or gave him a position on campus that will allow him to be there all the time. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on May 22, 2007, 10:48:05 AM
So.... Is this reason enough to optimistic if one cares about the welfare of Cabrini's basketball program??

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on May 22, 2007, 06:42:23 PM
This hire at Cabrini is much better than the last one, without a doubt.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on May 22, 2007, 07:27:41 PM
Congrats to Cabrini for picking someone who seems (and I stress "seems") to be a good coach for the job.  I wish he and his staff the best.

I wonder if he is going to stick with the current staff or clean house and use his own guys.  Anyone?

Good riddance to you know who.  By the way, anyone in a market for a good seersucker outfit?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: luvdahoops on May 23, 2007, 05:58:16 PM
There will be an announcement tomorrow (Thursday, May 24) that will iimPACt this conference in a significant way.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on May 24, 2007, 03:13:52 PM
At 2:00 today, Eastern accepted a bid to join the MAC beginning the fall of 2008... www.goeasterneagles.com
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on May 24, 2007, 04:20:12 PM
What is the PAC to do?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on May 24, 2007, 06:37:56 PM
Better yet, what happens to the Battle for Eagle Road?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on May 24, 2007, 09:19:03 PM
For those of you who thought I was a disgruntled Cabrini fan for the past 2 years downing the PAC as a conference that was slipping, not trying to be proving myself right but one now must admit the writing was on the wall since Dzik left.

The conference is turning into a joke for sure.

Does anyone see what I mean now????      Even a team like Cabrini who dominates the PAC in lax cannot go further than a round or 2 in the NCAA's due to the limits of the Pac.

OK.... who is coming in or is this now an intramural conference as I implied years ago ? ? ?   Will Cabrini leave as well ? ? ?   What do all those flags mean in the Dixon center if the conference falls apart ??

Forgive me for saying this but if you are recruiting athletes, why would one chose a PAC school for athletics now.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on May 25, 2007, 11:24:48 AM
heatlee,

I have a sneaking suspicion that the Battle for Eagle Rd will not stop in the next few years.  Both campuses love it (at least I know EU's campus loves it).  It would be tough for the head coach to get administration to agree that dropping Cabrini would be a good idea.  Actually, I think it may be a great 2-game set each year.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on May 26, 2007, 12:28:30 AM
I would be very surprised if EU-Cabrini games remain as a two game set. It will actually be easier to build the rivalry into something good if it turns into a winner takes all bragging rights game as  opposed to a home and home every year.
Interesting thing about the rivalry is that the only sport where conference championship revolved around the Eagle Road Rivalry is WLAX, which has been an EU Cabrini PAC Final for like eight years or so.
I would be very surprised if there are any 2008-9 schedules that don't include EU Cabrini in either sport.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on May 26, 2007, 09:40:50 AM
Just a little math for the people in charge of the ONCE strong PAC.  Alvernia + Arcadia + Eastern + Misercordia + Wesley > Centenary + College of Notre Dame + Keysone.

Its not even close.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on May 27, 2007, 12:10:17 AM
PAC IS DONE!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on May 28, 2007, 09:46:20 AM
Seems like since Dzik left things went to hell all over.

I know its a dead horse but............. one must admit the quality of the PAC has changed as a result.

So if another school leaves the PAC, what value does the PAC have ?

Rosemont vs IMMAC.    Nuemann vs Cabrini,    Baptist Bible vs Centenary

Who is taking steps to preserve what is left of the PAC before there is a bigger exodus?   Kind of puts things into perspective.   How can the PAC become stronger after this realignment?  Way to go commissioners.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 28, 2007, 11:06:07 AM
The MAC has its 16 again so I doubt it will be raiding more schools from the PnAC.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 28, 2007, 11:15:58 AM
Quote from: WolfPAC on May 28, 2007, 09:46:20 AM
Seems like since Dzik left things went to hell all over.

I know its a dead horse but............. one must admit the quality of the PAC has changed as a result.

So if another school leaves the PAC, what value does the PAC have ?

Rosemont vs IMMAC.    Neumann vs Cabrini,    Baptist Bible vs Centenary

Who is taking steps to preserve what is left of the PAC before there is a bigger exodus?   Kind of puts things into perspective.   How can the PAC become stronger after this realignment?  Way to go commissioners.
Respectfully, I don't think that Coach Dzik stops these dominoes from falling when Susquehanna, Moravian and Juniata decide to leave the MAC Commonwealth in Oct 2005 (http://www.d3football.com/notables.php?date=2005-10-26).

Those college presidents were talking "Mission and Vision".

Please remember this discussion (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4289.1190) from March.  The question for Coach Dzik at that point becomes whether to take advantage of the disarray and jump to improve the "Mission and Vision" of Cabrini.

I do not believe that he holds the PnAC together during this time.  The MAC is where they want to be again at 16 as Pat pointed out.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 28, 2007, 11:24:08 AM
Quote from: heatlee on May 26, 2007, 09:40:50 AM
Just a little math for the people in charge of the ONCE strong PAC.  Alvernia + Arcadia + Eastern + Misericordia + Wesley > Centenary + College of Notre Dame + Keystone.

Its not even close.
As for the "ONCE strong PAC", we had already determined that it was behind the Centennial and both MAC Freedom and Commonwealth and only ahead of the NEAC.

Now the Landmark has jumped in as a close #2.  I also think that the Freedom and the Commonwealth may not be a "monolithic" as previously considered at the end of the last decade.

I think that the case must be made that aggressive leadership by Cabrini would have been defined as leading Cabrini out of the PnAC.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on May 29, 2007, 08:52:11 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 28, 2007, 11:24:08 AM
Quote from: heatlee on May 26, 2007, 09:40:50 AM
Just a little math for the people in charge of the ONCE strong PAC.  Alvernia + Arcadia + Eastern + Misericordia + Wesley > Centenary + College of Notre Dame + Keystone.

Its not even close.
As for the "ONCE strong PAC", we had already determined that it was behind the Centennial and both MAC Freedom and Commonwealth and only ahead of the NEAC.

Now the Landmark has jumped in as a close #2.  I also think that the Freedom and the Commonwealth may not be a "monolithic" as previously considered at the end of the last decade.

I think that the case must be made that aggressive leadership by Cabrini would have been defined as leading Cabrini out of the PnAC.


Well said ! !

I would call the less than "agressive leadership at Cabrini" a fine example of institutional neglect by an administration with a mission going elsewhere than growing its athletics.  ('when comparing it to the passion, targets, and goals of the Dzik era) sad times at Cabrini.

The positive thing would be if the MAC and PAC built some nice rivalries due to their past affliations.  EU/Cabrini,

Why wouldn't Cabrini have seen the writing on the wall and took action to move as well? Poor leadership or ignorance ????
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 29, 2007, 09:17:55 AM
WolfPAC, what percentage of students at Cabrini came as athletes?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on May 29, 2007, 11:21:50 PM
Obviously it is a D3 school so there are not athletic scholarships involved.

The mission is not athletically based.   The question would then have to be what percentage of students are athletes.   

I cannot honestly answer what percentage of students truly came to Cabrini to play a sport since I am not personally involved anymore in the recruiting.

The percentage in the basketball program alone has dropped I can assure you because of the coaching situation.  ON the otherhand, many women want to play for the coach at Cabrini and the moral is much more conducive to a winning program with recruitment percentages higher than mens.

I get your point..... but compared to the passion and hard work within a legacy created and destroyed by an administration the statistics and number of athletic students motivated to come to the college has been negatively affected.   With the help of a new coach and parents, changes in the administration may be the answer to build a program to dominate the PAC whatever it is worth now.

Just seems if one is directly or was directly involved in building a legendary program it is a heartbreaker to see the program torn to shreds.

I am moving on and will support the new coach if the administration supports the college athletes.   One must remember the past programs were not just about athletes at Cabrini but academics and FAMILY atmosphere.   This is not found now. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Spartanball on June 17, 2007, 01:07:24 AM
Cabrini fans, get ready for a change in your basketball.

I can't tell you what a change Greg Herenda made in the program at Elgin Community College in Elgin, IL this past year. Forget for a moment that it is a J.C. with players that barely started on their high school teams. He turned two guys from average to All-Conference in eight months. These two players were unrecognizable in ONE year. He was never, ever out-coached in any game and I PROMISE you he won't for you either. Every minute he was at Elgin, you just knew he had a Div. 1 future. He should have gotten the Illinois State or the Northern Illinois job - he's THAT ready.

If you want a coach that can get the most out of his players, this guy can do it in a dignified way. Trust me, his Div. 1 experience on and off the court will put your program in the spotlight. His players will WANT to play for him.

Enjoy him while you have him. We did.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on June 19, 2007, 12:39:23 PM
Quote from: Spartanball on June 17, 2007, 01:07:24 AM
Cabrini fans, get ready for a change in your basketball.

I can't tell you what a change Greg Herenda made in the program at Elgin Community College in Elgin, IL this past year. Forget for a moment that it is a J.C. with players that barely started on their high school teams. He turned two guys from average to All-Conference in eight months. These two players were unrecognizable in ONE year. He was never, ever out-coached in any game and I PROMISE you he won't for you either. Every minute he was at Elgin, you just knew he had a Div. 1 future. He should have gotten the Illinois State or the Northern Illinois job - he's THAT ready.

If you want a coach that can get the most out of his players, this guy can do it in a dignified way. Trust me, his Div. 1 experience on and off the court will put your program in the spotlight. His players will WANT to play for him.

Enjoy him while you have him. We did.



Spartanball, that's nice and all about your new favorite coach for Cabrini, but what are you going to give us if you are wrong about all this?  My point is that I don't doubt he can coach at some level, and that he might be a great coach, but that every school is different and he still hasn't written a starting lineup yet for Cabrini.

Supposedly, the last guy at Cabrini had plenty of experience in the D1 level (right, Wake Forest?), but we all know how well he did.  BTW, anybody in the market for a great looking, tweed suit in beige?

Oh, this is just tongue-in-cheek.  I hope Herenda does good and isn't, uhh, horrendous.  Come on, I just had to.  We all know EU needs a great rivalry with Cabrini, even if it means we don't continue to have more fans show up at Cabrini when we play than they do.

EU knows better than some that a Juco coach can do well.  I don't agree with your implication (if you meant to) that Juco players tend to come from barely-starting positions in high school.  Maybe you didn't mean that, just that these two noted players were from that situation.  As you all may know, many, if not most, Juco players would prefer to be on scholarship somewhere, but didn't meet the Clearinghouse standards.

Additionally, just because a coach is a great coach, doesn't mean he is only a D1 coach.  Let's try to pretend that D3 coaches can be as good as D1 coaches, if not just to encourage those great D3 coaches to stay around awhile.

Best of luck, Cabrini!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on July 07, 2007, 07:05:38 PM
cabrini is going to stink again! ;D
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on July 13, 2007, 06:27:59 PM
Congrats to the Nadelhoffer's on the birth of their second child. Women's coaches should start sending recruiting notes to Natalie. It's probably too late to start recruiting Matthew, who has already narrowed down to his top five schools. Congrats Matt and Rebecca.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on July 16, 2007, 12:34:40 PM
Quote from: chairman on July 13, 2007, 06:27:59 PM
Congrats to the Nadelhoffer's on the birth of their second child. Women's coaches should start sending recruiting notes to Natalie. It's probably too late to start recruiting Matthew, who has already narrowed down to his top five schools. Congrats Matt and Rebecca.

Congrats to the Nadelhoffers!  I hear from a good source that Matthew, Jr., has narrowed it down to:  Cabrini, Alvernia, Neumann, Lincoln, and Wheaton (IL).
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on July 22, 2007, 12:06:53 PM
First off, I have first hand knowledge that Jay Wright has expressed interest in the young Nadelhoffer boy and that there is interest. Second of all, I post once in the last month two months (to announce a birth), and My Karma goes from plus 8 to minus 6. Was everyone hoping for another boy? Is that why I got killed? No idea what's up with the smite fairy out there, but I'm a little bewildered why I'm taking the heat.

Over 'til October or something new.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: D1Scout on July 23, 2007, 01:42:16 PM
Just heard that Neumann's Men's basketball coach will be leaving
to accept a D 1's assistant job. Great achievment for him moving
all the way up to a D1 school that was in the NIT last year.

Any idea who would replace him?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on July 25, 2007, 09:23:42 AM
Dunno D1 - you seem clued in.  Who are the likely candidates?

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on July 25, 2007, 10:28:10 AM
Quote from: Coach C on July 25, 2007, 09:23:42 AM
Dunno D1 - you seem clued in.  Who are the likely candidates?

C

Neumann also lost their men's ice hockey coach; he went to D1 UAB as an assistant.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Knightstalker on July 25, 2007, 11:49:52 AM
Nuemannnnnnnnnnnnn!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: carlweathers on July 26, 2007, 11:25:04 AM
Quote from: D1Scout on July 23, 2007, 01:42:16 PM
Just heard that Neumann's Men's basketball coach will be leaving
to accept a D 1's assistant job. Great achievment for him moving
all the way up to a D1 school that was in the NIT last year.


Marist is the destination. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: D1Scout on July 26, 2007, 03:30:02 PM
Word out of Neumann today Genn Stitzel has been offered
the job.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on August 13, 2007, 03:47:20 PM
Stitzel wasn't even that good at Neumann how did he get that job.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on August 14, 2007, 08:17:48 AM
Mr. PAC,

How about some punctuation next time?

And, he was definitely not bad.  Give the guy some credit.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: thobson on August 14, 2007, 08:40:34 AM
Mr. Pac has to be another coach in the PAC who is jealous.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 14, 2007, 10:52:50 AM
... what was wrong with your other username?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on August 14, 2007, 01:45:00 PM
I think Alvernia will go undefeated in the PAC. Also their last year.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on August 14, 2007, 04:09:54 PM
Quote from: MR. PAC on August 14, 2007, 01:45:00 PM
I think Alvernia will go undefeated in the PAC. Also their last year.


And I think fried pork skins are tasty, but that doesn't necessarily make it fact, does it?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on August 15, 2007, 01:30:04 PM

Is that time of the year again for bashing already ?

Anyone know how Herenda is running the Cabrini group yet ?

Hoping the Cavs have a resurgence of sort and surprise some people, but as Chiz says, fried pork skins are tasty too!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on August 15, 2007, 05:13:52 PM
Wolf,

We Eagles fans also hope the Cavs have a resurgence.  We are getting tired of beating up on the team previously coached by a clothing salesman.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on August 15, 2007, 06:12:42 PM
Alvernia will beat Eastern and Cabrini at home and on the road.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on August 16, 2007, 11:02:41 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on August 15, 2007, 05:13:52 PM
Wolf,

We Eagles fans also hope the Cavs have a resurgence.  We are getting tired of beating up on the team previously coached by a clothing salesman.

Brutally true !   Puts things into perspective in the way only the Chiz could say it.  You are a card !    Hope Cabrini, EU & the Vern keep their rivalry going with this new coach at Cabrini.   We will see if he lives up to his resume.  If not...... then another one bites the dust.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on August 16, 2007, 01:28:53 PM
Wolf,


I wish the rivalry would last but the vern is going to the MAC.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: ycpfinal4 on August 16, 2007, 11:12:13 PM
www.GOTathletes.com

All,
      A former CAC player on the best York College of Pennsylvania team of all-time, Padraic K. Lee #33, has created a websire to help develop an easier way for athletes, fans, coaches, and sponsors to connect off the feild.  This could be very beneficial for top rated college players also.  We plan to have a myriad of oversea's coaches and scouts as part of our network.  For all the D3 players, like myself, to have a network to communicate with oversea's coaches would be great.  I know that making the NBA would be to lofty of a goal.  This website could help those collegiate players of any sport be able to network effectively to continue their athletic career anywhere, or anytime. 
      If you support the Division III sport world, please check this site out and create a profile.  ITS FREE!!!!!!!  If there are any questions or comments, please feel free to e mail the president of www.GOTatheletes.com, Pad Lee at patrick@GOTathletes.com.  Thank you,


#54
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on August 17, 2007, 08:17:08 AM
Quote from: ycpfinal4 on August 16, 2007, 11:12:13 PM
www.GOTathletes.com

All,
      A former CAC player on the best York College of Pennsylvania team of all-time, Padraic K. Lee #33, has created a websire to help develop an easier way for athletes, fans, coaches, and sponsors to connect off the feild.  This could be very beneficial for top rated college players also.  We plan to have a myriad of oversea's coaches and scouts as part of our network.  For all the D3 players, like myself, to have a network to communicate with oversea's coaches would be great.  I know that making the NBA would be to lofty of a goal.  This website could help those collegiate players of any sport be able to network effectively to continue their athletic career anywhere, or anytime. 
      If you support the Division III sport world, please check this site out and create a profile.  ITS FREE!!!!!!!  If there are any questions or comments, please feel free to e mail the president of www.GOTatheletes.com, Pad Lee at patrick@GOTathletes.com.  Thank you,


#54

YCP, is the site going to have as many glitches and errors as typo's that were in your post here?

Get off the site; this isn't a marketing room.  Give us something more interesting to read next time.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on August 17, 2007, 08:19:19 AM
Quote from: MR. PAC on August 16, 2007, 01:28:53 PM
Wolf,


I wish the rivalry would last but the vern is going to the MAC.

Ms. PAC, don't bore us with your opinion on how vern is going to do, unless you can tell us why.  Re: players returning, players incoming, etc.  We're not in junior high anymore (at least most of us aren't), so come to the table with a little knowledge and skill in argumentation.

Also, there might be some other teams in the PAC that are going to the MAC, but you probably missed that along the way.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on August 17, 2007, 12:31:16 PM
Chizy,

Who cares about the other PAC teams going to the MAC, they all stink.






Hope the puncutation and spelling is good enough for you. I wouldn't want to make you mad. ;D 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on August 17, 2007, 03:42:01 PM
Does anyone know who got the Neumann job.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on August 17, 2007, 05:14:39 PM
Ms. PAC,

Out of respect for a great AD at your school, I will refrain from ripping on the education you might have not received at Alvernia.

By the way, questions are usually punctuated with a question mark.

And you should be a little more respectful of your fellow PAC schools, as quite a few of them are going to the MAC.

I'm looking forward to seeing EU beat your boys this year.  Have fun with Danny Miller, Reels, and the group of experienced seniors.  They should have a field day with your gymrats.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: ycpfinal4 on August 17, 2007, 05:30:10 PM
Chizwiz,
   Relax.  I didn't mean to bother anyone.  This site would be beneficial for atheletes.  No one is marketing here, there is no money involved.  It could be helpful to further some D3 careers.  Sorry to offend.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: VernAlum on August 17, 2007, 10:05:34 PM
Chiz,
I don't post as often as I probably should.  Mr PAC doesn't represent Alvernia as a whole.  It will be the same story at EU this year.  They will beat up on Phila. Bible, Valley Forge Christian College etc.  Some how they will get 10 sub par wins and start talking championships.  When the smoke clears they will be 6th place in the PAC talking about "could have's."  I'll take Shawell and King over "Danny Miller and Reels" any day.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on August 18, 2007, 12:32:15 AM
Alvernia vs. Eastern not even a game. Shawell, King, Westmoreland, and Bradley. Eastern got chiz's boys Danny Miller and Reels.



Wait to you see Miller's recruits. ;) 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on August 18, 2007, 01:43:34 PM
Chiz,

Who's Danny Miller?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on August 19, 2007, 10:40:20 AM
This may be old news if true but if anyone out there heard.... I was wondering if it is true that Cabrini has a recruit from a high school in Conn. who followed Herenda.  He is a power forward 6ft 6 played on an undefeated high school team or something.

Can anyone verify this ? ?  His name is Budzyinski or close to it. Forgive my mispelling if I did spell his name wrong.  Is Herenda recruiting more guys from his past coaching regions.  He may just be the man to turn it around.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on August 21, 2007, 02:23:14 PM
Nobody in the PAC, will beat Alvernia at home this year.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on August 21, 2007, 07:16:10 PM
Quote from: MR. PAC on August 21, 2007, 02:23:14 PM
Nobody in the PAC, will beat Alvernia at home this year.

Nobody from Alvernia but the AD, is educated well enough to know how to use proper English much less punctuate.

Mrs. PAC, tell us something interesting with facts, rather than sound like an overexcited fan.  Also, you rip on Danny Miller and then ask who he is?  Genius.  Find out for yourself.  I already know who your players and half of Miller's recruits are.  I bet you can't say the same for any other team but your boys.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on August 21, 2007, 10:13:45 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on August 21, 2007, 07:16:10 PM
Nobody from Alvernia but the AD, is educated well enough to know how to use proper English much less punctuate.

Chiz, that's a loaded statement.  You don't really think the AD is the only educated person on campus?!?  Even if we confine your blanket statement to just the Department of Athletics & Recreation, or to an even sharper focus and consider only the posters in this room with clear ties to the Vern, its a total swing and a miss!

Feel free to continue pushing proper grammar on The PAC Chat Line, but let's not start playing guilty by association.

While I'm at it, here's a little underhanded marketing and promotions...
http://athletics.alvernia.edu (http://athletics.alvernia.edu)

The Vern launched an upgrade to the Athletics website late last week.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on August 22, 2007, 11:43:03 AM
Hey Jon, your a good man. Like the new and improved website.




Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on August 22, 2007, 11:47:04 AM
Chiz, even though Alvernia will win the PAC. Eastern and the Mighty Macs will fight it out for second place. Also, I did not rip Danny Miller, I don't even know who he is.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on August 29, 2007, 01:46:00 PM
Just a quick question:  Does anybody know how to get in touch with Kyle Myrick from Lincoln?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on August 30, 2007, 07:50:08 AM
Kyle Myrick's agent is an attorney in Phila, so you may want to start your search with Sports Agents in "The City of Brotherly Love".  Additionally, you should reach out to Rob Knox, the Lincoln SID who may be able to help.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on September 25, 2007, 04:15:19 PM
Okay, everybody's recruits are on campus or have left since seeing what was not true or obvious during the recruiting phase.  Does anyone know about recruits?  Please tell!

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on September 25, 2007, 06:09:05 PM
Chiz,
I know the vern got the best recruits. Miller can reload with the best of them.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on September 26, 2007, 07:43:54 AM
Quote from: MR. PAC on September 25, 2007, 06:09:05 PM
Chiz,
I know the vern got the best recruits. Miller can reload with the best of them.

Ms. PAC, we are all dumber for having read that drivel you just posted.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on October 01, 2007, 05:24:01 PM
Waiting for the polls to start lighting up with predictions and trashing...

Where is everyone ? ?   Is Cabrini going to work hard enough to be in the playoffs or what ? ?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on October 06, 2007, 07:20:02 PM
Though Cabrini made a step up in quality with the hiring of their new coach their best move would have been to hire, or at least consult with Pat Zipfel.  He has been an AD at the D III level and has connections in the NBA from his job as an advanced scout for the Trailblazers and now the Rockets. He would have been the best person for the job, or at least to be on the committee.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2007, 02:36:20 AM
I'm sure he can speak for himself.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach K on November 01, 2007, 10:38:21 AM
First of all, welcome back to everyone. Looking forward to another year of D3 bball.

Danny Miller is about a 6'2-6'3 Forward from Lehighton, PA. He was a 1000 point scorer up there, and a decent athlete who never really reached his potential as a player. He did go division one for track to Mount St. Mary's; don't know why he left, however. He can shoot the ball a little bit, and can penetrate and get to the rim, but the biggest question with him is the mental part of his game. For the record, Lehighton had 3 coaches in the 4 years he was there. This prevented him from making progress as a player, although some say the reason for the coaching changes up there was because of him and his family, depends who you talk to. 

Good luck to the Crusaders, lets win one more PAC title before heading to the MAC!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on November 09, 2007, 09:03:05 PM
Jeff was a very nice young man, dedicated and hard working.  My best wishes to his family and friends at this terrible time.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on November 10, 2007, 11:28:00 PM
The vern look great against Catholic tonight.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on November 11, 2007, 01:31:38 PM
My predictions for the PAC this year are.


1. Alvernia
2.Eastern
3.Immaculata
4.GM
5.Cabrini
6.Neumann
7.Marywood
8.Miseri
9. centenary
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on November 11, 2007, 02:00:57 PM
After that game against Catholic. Terrence Shawell is a lock for PAC player of the year.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on November 13, 2007, 08:33:01 PM
PAC Preseason Poll released on Tuesday...

1. Alvernia    
2. Immaculata      
3. Gwynedd-Mercy      
4. Eastern   
5. Misericordia                   
6. Neumann             
7. Cabrini                 
8. Marywood                 
9. Centenary              


Alvernia opens up the season with Landmark Conference preseason favorite Scranton Friday night at 8:00.  That game, like all Alvernia home contests, will be webcast free of charge through the Alvernia Athletics homepage athletics.alvernia.edu (http://athletics.alvernia.edu)

The season-opening tournament, the Tom Masano Auto Group/Sheraton Reading Tip-Off, also features two NAIA Top 25 teams, Walsh (7th) and Point Park (23rd).
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: njlincolnlion on November 14, 2007, 10:30:11 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on August 29, 2007, 01:46:00 PM
Just a quick question:  Does anybody know how to get in touch with Kyle Myrick from Lincoln?

Just found out Kyle Myrick will be playing basketball for the Apollon F.C. in Cyprus for the 2007-2008 season.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on November 21, 2007, 10:43:35 PM
Where is everybody? Alvernia goes down in their first two games, but they were against two pretty good teams.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hoopzwiz on November 27, 2007, 03:04:04 PM
Slow start to the PAC board.
Good early season wins by Neumann at F&M and Immaculatta against DII Chestnut Hill.

I saw Alvernia in the openning tournament, they're still really good.  Can't see anyone beating them in a playoff game in Reading.

Gwynedd off to hot start. Cabrini seemingly improved. 

Misericordia, Marywood and Centenary........enough said.

Should be alot to talk about.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on November 27, 2007, 07:21:49 PM
Hoopwiz, agree with almost all of it. I don't know how good Chestnut Hill really is?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on November 30, 2007, 10:11:10 AM
Is anyone tuning into various webcasts around the conference?  I know a few of us are providing audio/video streams of ALL home games and the conference is requiring all conference games to be audio streamed at the least.

I'm just looking for an informal poll of the audience to see what works and what doesn't.

Alvernia is at Eastern for a doubleheader on Saturday followed by two at Immaculata on Monday.

The annual Alvernia/Albright game is scheduled as the third game of a tripleheader at the Sovereign Center in Reading on Saturday, December 15.

2:00 - Boyertown High School vs. Reading High School
4:00 - Maryland Nighthawks vs. Reading Railers
7:00 - Albright vs. Alvernia

Ticket information can be found at http://athletics.alvernia.edu/sports/2007/11/14/MBB_1114073451.aspx?id=780

Former Alvernia Crusaders Ray Strickland and Brad Merriweather are both part of the Railers roster.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on November 30, 2007, 06:16:31 PM
Quote from: Jon on November 30, 2007, 10:11:10 AM
Is anyone tuning into various webcasts around the conference?  I know a few of us are providing audio/video streams of ALL home games and the conference is requiring all conference games to be audio streamed at the least.

I'm just looking for an informal poll of the audience to see what works and what doesn't.

Alvernia is at Eastern for a doubleheader on Saturday followed by two at Immaculata on Monday.

The annual Alvernia/Albright game is scheduled as the third game of a tripleheader at the Sovereign Center in Reading on Saturday, December 15.

2:00 - Boyertown High School vs. Reading High School
4:00 - Maryland Nighthawks vs. Reading Railers
7:00 - Albright vs. Alvernia

Ticket information can be found at http://athletics.alvernia.edu/sports/2007/11/14/MBB_1114073451.aspx?id=780

Former Alvernia Crusaders Ray Strickland and Brad Merriweather are both part of the Railers roster.



Jon,   caught an audio and a video of a couple of Cabrini games.  The audio and live stats work well,  the video is a bit unclear(pixels)  and the panning of the camera is slow.   A few steals were happening while the camera stayed focused on the empty floor at the opposite baseline where the action was much earlier.   Overall a great concept,  with the announcers not too biased, friendly, and knowledgeable.  Just that you hear about a great steal and lay up while the camera is down the other end.  Frustrating at times. Perhaps the bugs are being worked out.    Thank you for  thinking of the viewer.  The PAC will benefit no doubt.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2007, 09:19:32 PM
I see Alvernia has video links posted on our site -- hope the rest of the league follows through with their audio links. Would be great for listenership.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 03, 2007, 10:21:29 PM
Wolfy,

Good to hear from you again.  Thanks for the feedback.  Every school is in charge of providing the manpower to run a webcast.  Our webcasts are just about entirely student run, which I think is a great resume builder for our communications majors.  I would have loved to have this opportunity in college.

It may be worth a quick email to the athletic department at Cabrini to just say, "Hey thanks for allowing us fans to follow the games LIVE on the net..." with a few suggestions to follow.  We all like to know at the very least that people are watching!

Enjoy the rest of the season.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on December 04, 2007, 07:08:22 PM
I was at  alvernia vs. Immaculata and both teams played very poorly. Immaculata beat Alvernia up inside.In my mind Alvernia is the better team, because Miller missed just about the whole preseason due to illness, and Shawell and King are the best tandem in the PAC.Also, Westmoreland is a tough young PG.He can guard any guard in D3.



CHIZ WHERE ARE YOU?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 05, 2007, 11:05:43 AM
Mr. PAC,

So far, Alvernia is not the better of the two teams.  Here's a little hint - the best team wins.  If Alvernia wins next, guess who the best team is?  In your case, you better hope Alvernia comes on strong late (or hits free throws).

Additionally, against PS-Berks and Leb Val, who did Westmoreland guard?  And even though Alvernia continues to beat Eastern, isn't it interesting that Zach didn't guard EU's best scorer at guard?  Westmoreland gets beat by many guards, just not as much this year.  Alvernia's non-conference schedule is fairly weak and the PAC, as we all know, is extremely weak this year.

By the way, congrats to Chadwin on a big win.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on December 05, 2007, 07:40:23 PM
Chiz,


Your boy Danny Miller really lit up the vern at EU.Alvernia is still the best in the PAC. They play the worst they possibly could, and still almost beat Immaculata at Immaculata.Also, Chiz you call Alvernia's non-league schedule weak. They play Scranton, Point Park{Were ranked no.3 in Naia last year.}PSU-berks,Lebanon Valley,are in the Franklin and Marshall tourny,Albright, Etown.Oh yeah I forgot CORNELL {PREDICTED IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS}.Next time, do your homework when you say someones Non-conference schedule is weak.


Oh yeah good luck against Walsh in Hawaii.Walsh wins by 25-40 points.Who were also in the Vern's tip-off tourney.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on December 07, 2007, 09:35:04 PM
Big win for Misericordia over Susquehanna 73-68. Misericordia is better then I thought.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 15, 2007, 01:16:08 PM
Hey Sportsfans,

Alvernia is back in action tonight in the third game of a tripleheader at the Reading Sovereign Center.  Visit http://athletics.alvernia.edu (http://athletics.alvernia.edu) for a link to the audio stream.

2:00 - Boyertown Boys vs. Reading
4:00 - Maryland Nighthawks vs. Reading Railers
7:00 - Albright vs. Alvernia
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 19, 2007, 06:30:02 PM
EU beats D2 Montana Tech tonight, 90-88 in OT.  MT has mountains for size, too, but couldn't keep up with pace of game.  Looking to beat Walsh tomorrow (morning).
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 19, 2007, 07:33:35 PM
Chiz,

Are you fortunate enough to be part of the traveling party?  I've seen Walsh play twice this year in our tip-off tournament.  If you thought Montana Tech had mountains...but don't get stuck on 6-10 and 7-0, or the spitting image Cavaliers jerseys, the big guys don't play as big as they're listed but the guards can, and will shoot.  Enjoy the game.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on December 19, 2007, 08:44:46 PM
Walsh beats EU by 30-50 points.





Have a ball CHIZ!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 20, 2007, 12:02:55 PM
Not sure about 30-50.  I certainly favor the Cavs, but I wasn't thinking it would be a Pats/Dolphins line.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on December 21, 2007, 11:12:35 AM
Jon,

No, I am definitely not fortunate enough to be in beautiful Hawaii.  They tell me that their hotel is right across the street from the beach with unimpeded views.  Very, very jealous.

Yeah, the 7-footer from Walsh last night (I am told) had skills, as well as their PG.  Walsh, as you know, is a great team, (sweet-16 last year, elite-8 year before, and nat'l champs 3 years ago) but EU played them straight up only losing by 9.  The Eagles were up a significant part of the game and it was very close to the end.  I think the score was 97-88 (not sure).

EU is starting to play to their potential, although it would be nice to see Volpe play the way I know he can - with poise and intention.

Quote from: Jon on December 19, 2007, 07:33:35 PM
Chiz,

Are you fortunate enough to be part of the traveling party?  I've seen Walsh play twice this year in our tip-off tournament.  If you thought Montana Tech had mountains...but don't get stuck on 6-10 and 7-0, or the spitting image Cavaliers jerseys, the big guys don't play as big as they're listed but the guards can, and will shoot.  Enjoy the game.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on December 21, 2007, 02:06:14 PM
Chiz,

I feel like every hotel in Hawaii is beach front with a ridiculous view!

Just looking briefly at the box score it looks like Walsh is making a more concentrated effort to get the ball into the post.  Jones and Skeeter lit up the nets here and combined for just six shots in your game.  Giving up 50% from the arc and a decided rebounding advantage I would say a 9-point game is pretty favorable.

Sorry I can't share in your desire to see the Eagles play to their full potential  ;)

Have a Great Holiday!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: old ends on January 02, 2008, 10:16:14 PM
Alvernia got a victory against Williams Trade tonight and will go against Tournament host F & M  tomorrow night.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 03, 2008, 02:15:47 PM
Vern, good luck against F&M.  It's always nice to see that old bum coach lose.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 03, 2008, 02:24:31 PM
Chiz,

Game no. 1,000 in the career of "that old bum coach" tonight.  Gotta admire at least the longevity a little bit don't you. 

F&M is providing both live stats for free and live video on $6 pay per view.  All the information is available at www.fandm.edu.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on January 04, 2008, 11:46:37 PM
Centenayy would be much better if they had their former coach still coaching. He's an advanced scout for the Houston Rockets.

Check out the interview.


The life of an advance scout

January 2, 2008 10:15 AM

Posted by Brian Windhorst

Pat Zipfel has one of the most demanding jobs in the NBA and his work directly affects the outcome of games.  Yet you probably have never heard of him or most people like him.  He's an advance scout for the Houston Rockets and, if you listen to his peers, one of the league's best. He's been "doing advance" as they say in the NBA for seven years now, also having worked for the Portland Trail Blazers and Los Angeles Clippers.  He's former point guard who fell in love with Xs and Os while playing at Cabrini College in Philadelphia.  He's also been the head coach at Centenary College and an assistant at The Citadel.  On a six-hour flight from Orlando to Seattle last week, Pat agreed to answer some questions for TrueHoop about the grueling yet fascinating nature of his job.

What exactly is an advance scout?

There are two types of scouts in the NBA.  There are personnel scouts, who look at players and decide if they can play, fit their system and are the type of player that will be successful with the salary fitting.  The advance scout is responsible for watching the opponent, diagramming all their plays, knowing their calls, knowing their side out of bounds plays and end of game plays. Then you report back to the coaching staff and suggest a game plan on how to win that game. The advance scout specializes in the knowledge of the game.

The job of advance scout is not just a job but a lifestyle. During the NBA season, it is a marathon of traveling and watching games and writing reports. Whether your team wins or loses you feel you played a part in preparing them for the game and are fully vested in every game.

So, you feel the highs and lows of winning and losing, even though you are already ahead working on the next opponent. The truth is that It can be a bit lonely when you play a game that you spent so much time helping prepare your coaching staff and you find yourself alone in a hotel room checking the scores online to see if your team won.  No one is with you to celebrate victory or share defeat.

If being around the team and getting to know the players sounds great to you, then the job of advance scout is not for you. Most of our players wouldn't recognize me since they only see me a few times a year other than during training camp. Every game they read the reports and get prepared by the coaches but almost all are unaware of the process it took to get that information to them.

How many NBA games do you see in person during a season?

Last season, I saw 144 NBA games in person during the regular season. So far this season I have seen about 65 games.  But coupled with the amount of games on tape, I can't actually count how many games I have seen.  While it is a dream job if you love the game of basketball, it requires a level of commitment and work ethic during the season that is grueling.

So that includes lots of time in hotels and on airplanes?

Since training camp started, I've been in my own bed (outside Philadelphia) for eight nights. Typically, I fly every day of the week, this job requires at least 100,000 miles in the air every year.  A large part of the daily routine of this job is logistics, getting from one city to the next.  Getting all the flights, taxis, rental cars, hotels and the whole time trying to be budget conscious is a challenge.  It's not easy, especially since most of the season happens in the winter.  Once last season a game in New York went to overtime and I missed the last train out of the city and all the hotel rooms were booked.  I ended up sleeping in Penn Station.  Because I'm up late after games working on reports and then up early to catch flights, I get most of my sleep on planes.

So who does your laundry and have you every flown to the wrong city?

Most of the 30 advance scouts in the NBA could write a travel book on how to travel in and out of the 30 NBA cities. Most of us know which airlines have direct flights, what cities and airports are the best and worst to deal with, who has the friendliest cab drivers, and even where to get laundry/dry cleaning done on short notice in each city. We see the airport, the hotel and the arena, that's it.

Most scouts stay at Marriott hotels, because you know what you are going to get and it is dependable.  But because the rooms all look the same, yes, you wake up sometimes and dont exactly know where you are.

How do you get the information to your team and how has technology helped?

Advance scouting in the NBA was originally done by Bill Bertka of the Los Angeles Lakers. He could be considered the godfather of advance scouting.  He was the first person to go out and watch the opponent play and report back to his team his suggestions on how to beat the opponent. Over the years, the position went from pen and paper to laptops, e-mail, software and .pdf files. Back then and now the goal is the same: to know your opponent and try to find ways to beat them.

The process following every game is the scout will go back to his hotel and input all the plays in the software that were used on that night and write a report following the game that will prepare the coaching staff on the opposing teams. That includes personnel, tendencies, play calls, frequency, and even who to suggest to foul in a close game. This information is emailed to directly to the coaching staff.  Just few years ago this meant lots of faxing and FedExing but the software now allows you to do it all electronically.

The Rockets are one of the most computer savvy teams in the league, how does it carry over to your job?

Having worked for three different NBA teams, the Rockets are cutting edge with their ability to marry technology and basketball. Aside from the standard personnel database that teams have started using the past few years, the statistical and analytical work of the Rockets' front office technology team gives the coaching staff and personnel department every possible advantage.  This goes back to our (general manager) Daryl Morey and (vice president of basketball operations) Sam Hinkie, they are two of the best in the business at it.

How important is getting the play calls and signals?

For our team, Shane Battier is excellent at hearing opponents calls during the game and knowing what is going to happen before the opponent runs the play and letting our coaching staff know. That type of advantage could be the difference between 2-3 possessions a game and determine the outcome.

There are lots of players who make it a priority.  If you sat close enough to the court of a Dallas Mavericks game, Dirk Nowitzki does a great job of calling out the other teams plays to their bench, as does Jarrett Jack of the Portland Trail Blazers for his team. If Mike Dunleavy of the Pacers knows the play, he will call it out in his teams term just to get a small edge.

How much of the job is technical (X and Os) and how much is intuitive?

The ability to watch a game and know where all 10 players are on the floor is invaluable for the job.  Being able to draw up all the plays and where each player goes is important for the coaches when they see the report.   But you also have to be able to suggest ways to counteract what the opponent does, which means you have that part of your mind working, too.

So after all that, do you like your job?

As a former NCAA head coach, I know the importance of knowing how to defend the other team. I have always felt this job was valuable since we are in the business of winning games and beating our opponents.  So I know how important the job is and that's important to me.

Every day I hear from people what a great job it must be and even after 7 years, I cannot tell you how blessed I feel to be sitting front row every night in the NBA, the highest level of basketball in the world. Just last week, I saw Kobe, Carmelo, and LeBron play in person in a three-day span. And if you love the game of basketball, that sounds like a dream job.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 05, 2008, 06:51:01 PM
Heat..... very insightful stuff.   Sounds like Pat is qualified for any level of coaching!

Managed to catch the Rowan vs. Cavs game.   The Cavs pulled it out with foul shots and alot of Rowan misses and turnovers.

The Cavs are working very hard and they are beginning to see the results of better coaching.   If they continue to work hard for Herenda they could do better than expected.  Waiting to see how they will match up against Immaculata.  Sounds crazy but Immaculata is good!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 14, 2008, 10:42:35 AM
FYI----

The Vern is at Cabrini tonight.  7pm. Dixon Center.
Will you be there Jon? ? ?


 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 14, 2008, 10:53:32 AM
WolfPAC,

Date night on the home front tonight and the Mrs. isn't big on PAC Basketball as an option, but thanks for the invite.  I'm looking forward to catching the Cavs at home near the end of the month.  I'd be interested in your take on tonight's event when it's over.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 14, 2008, 10:23:06 PM
Wolfy,

86 total free throw attempts...what are you guys doing over there?!?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cabrinibasketballmom on January 15, 2008, 09:15:24 AM
Did anyone see this game last night?  I just don't understand!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 15, 2008, 06:56:29 PM
Quote from: Jon on January 14, 2008, 10:23:06 PM
Wolfy,

86 total free throw attempts...what are you guys doing over there?!?

New coach is INTENSE has them jumping maybe too much!  He wants to win badly but the Vern and  #22 just too much!  King played big!  Vern too fast and the defense smothered the gaurds.  The result:  coach screaming, kicking the floor, scratching and clawing to keep them in a high energy game. Guess that is their survival mode.  The Cavs did battle and kept it close most of the game though you have to admit.  They battled hard but the Vern was just too much.  The Cavs were subbed in and out very quickly must have been hard on an individual basis to get into a rhythm.  Lots of crap fouls and inexperience I would say.  Congratulations to Randy Reid for his 1000th point.  He did work hard.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 17, 2008, 10:49:06 AM
Five of the top six teams in the PAC Preseason Poll in action tonight and all three games offer video webcast.  The Alvernia stream can be accessed through the d3hoops.com schedule or http://athletics.alvernia.edu (http://athletics.alvernia.edu)

8:00 - Eastern @ Gwynedd-Mercy
8:00 - Immaculata @ Neumann
8:00 - Centenary @ Alvernia
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Booker on January 17, 2008, 05:12:09 PM
More of the same at Cabrini
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 21, 2008, 06:40:47 PM
To continue a line of thought from last season's Cabrini problems, I want to talk about Charles Bush.  It seemed at the beginning that he showed some potential, and maybe still does, but it also seems that he shoots poorly, or possibly just has poor shot selection.  He is rumored to have a generally negative attitude and an oppositional attitude toward the coach.  To be clear, I think he hurts the team and is getting way too much playing time.  Additionally, his mother needs to stop complaining about her son's coach to anyone who will listen; that is so hypocritical.

Another point of note is that there are players on the team who have indicated their dislike of Herenda, in the same way that they did with Macciocca.  Is Cabrini continuing to have coaching problems at this position?  This is a quote from Herenda to his players during a game:  "I want you to punch them in the nuts" - directed at opposing players.  According to his players, he wasn't kidding when he said it.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 21, 2008, 06:42:44 PM
Randy Reid - a little late, but congrats!  Your hard work is evident.  Keep up the work.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 21, 2008, 07:26:39 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on January 21, 2008, 06:40:47 PM
To continue a line of thought from last season's Cabrini problems, I want to talk about Charles Bush.  It seemed at the beginning that he showed some potential, and maybe still does, but it also seems that he shoots poorly, or possibly just has poor shot selection.  He is rumored to have a generally negative attitude and an oppositional attitude toward the coach.  To be clear, I think he hurts the team and is getting way too much playing time.  Additionally, his mother needs to stop complaining about her son's coach to anyone who will listen; that is so hypocritical.

Another point of note is that there are players on the team who have indicated their dislike of Herenda, in the same way that they did with Macciocca.  Is Cabrini continuing to have coaching problems at this position?  This is a quote from Herenda to his players during a game:  "I want you to punch them in the nuts" - directed at opposing players.  According to his players, he wasn't kidding when he said it.



Hey Chiz .... glad to here from you.

Bush seems to have speed, quickness, and intensity.  I personally cannot comment on his attitude I cannot judge him or speak against him.  He did make one hell of a play against Alvernia though.  Objectively speaking it seems he needs more confidence which will happen over time.  He is not a Chris Pitman who used to take it to the hole whenever possible and his height can hurt him at times.  I don't see those big 3 pt shots in the stats for the point gaurd either.  He makes them in practice though so I think if he gets some confidence things will be fine.

The new coach wants to win badly.  If you know him, I don't think he means his players to take things literally. Perhaps he was trying to motivate the team without saying play physical. If you ever look at his bench, he has to continually tell them to get into the game. Maybe he has a strange way of motivating or the kids are just not familiar with his style. He is passionate ! !  Just making observations.  You could prove to be right but I think he has taken things down a better path for sure.   The Cavs could have won in Aston easily if they hit their foul shots, and Alvernia got a run for their money.  They came back against Buena Vista, and Rowan.  I know Marywood did not have their point gaurd in the big romp.  Don't be surprised if they give EU a run for the money.  The coach has been recruiting and has the fans more involved compared to last year.  It takes time. 

Anybody can play with anybody in the PAC this year.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2008, 07:46:09 PM
Just like I wouldn't take a football coach literally when he says he wants his players to punch them in the mouth, I wouldn't take this literally either.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on January 21, 2008, 09:42:59 PM
The Vern and Cabrini get big road wins tonight. Also, I think the coach from Cabrini is doing a pretty good job. They have been way more competitive this year than last year.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 22, 2008, 09:31:30 AM
Quote from: MR. PAC on January 21, 2008, 09:42:59 PM
The Vern and Cabrini get big road wins tonight. Also, I think the coach from Cabrini is doing a pretty good job. They have been way more competitive this year than last year.


We will see you at the VERN on Saturday at 3:00   Cavs on the upswing ???
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on January 22, 2008, 12:30:48 PM
Bush has a lot of talents, but lacks a good, consistent shot.  Most D3 players have a weakness or 2, some have poor physical skills, some lack footspeed, others lack desire. 

Bush would fit in well on a John Chaney team.  He has it all - except a  quality shot.

As for Coach Herenda, you have to remember that he really did not recruit any of these guys.  There are bound to be a few bumps in the road.  he's doing a good job and is a good communicator and a strong coach.  And you can't take anyone literally in a huddle.

I only know of one guy who thought it was ok to punch other players in the nuts in the PAC.

Anyone else remember?

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 24, 2008, 09:54:10 AM
Cavs at the Vern  Saturday at 3:00


Anyone think DIII needs to modify their mission so athletics can grow the school more with scholarship funds?  Seems there are getting to be too many constraints regarding academic integrity.   Whats is the difference between DI, DII, and DIII when there are corporate sponsors and banners in the gyms anyway???  I know its not just TV but schools should not have to move up a division to grow.   

Give the student athletes a break.  If you want to study hard and go to grad school than do it after basketball if you have talent in DIII use it and benefit your school to make your degree more valuable.  Athletics benefits the schools in DIII more than they admit.  Presidents of colleges need to be more open-minded and truthful.  Growing the school through athletics does not mean compromising intergrity.   Schools like Cabrini would not even be on the map without basketball. 

If DIII schools want to stick to their missions of academic integrity and wallow in debt because of things etched in stones than how come they can spend spend spend on modifying academic facilities which in turn grow the school in their minds.  If they are concentrating on growing their schools this way is this not a growth strategy compromising the mission of the school as well.   ATHLETICS is more important as a growth strategy to a DIII admit it will ya! !     Everyone benefits whether an athlete or not.

Survival of the fittest.


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2008, 02:47:33 PM
I think if you want to give athletics-based aid then there are two other divisions of the NCAA and an NAIA that are great homes for you. Division III is entirely about the exact lack of athletics-based aid.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on January 24, 2008, 03:08:39 PM
So who is going to be at the Cabrini vs. Vern game?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: old ends on January 24, 2008, 08:40:05 PM
PAC stats, for conference games only, look good overall
http://www.thepaconline.org/stats2007/Mens.Basketball/CONFONLY.HTM

Alvernia leads in scoring offense with a healthy 85.8 ave/game. That is a 10.6 point lead over Immaculata.

Misericordia leads in scoring defense allowing 60.6 ave/game.

have fun with the stats
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 25, 2008, 09:12:41 AM
Point taken.  What about the prospect of another division regarding athletics as the variable changing the mission of DIII ?

What happened in Nashville? ?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 25, 2008, 09:21:04 AM
Quote from: MR. PAC on January 24, 2008, 03:08:39 PM
So who is going to be at the Cabrini vs. Vern game?


I am trying to be there.... I want to see the womens game as well.   Hoping Jon will be there (hahaha)   Maybe we can all go to the Graveyard when the Cavs pull the upset.     

Put some hands in King's face and let Shawell score his 50 pts. Let Reid bang inside all day and grab some rebounds with the other guys making some 3's and it is quite possible the Vern could be fooled by the Cavs rather easily.

Seriously, it should be a good game unless one of the team shoots poorly or chokes on the charity line.   Remember all those 88 fouls last time at Cabrini.

Hope everyone gets to witness a good battle.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 25, 2008, 09:23:46 AM
WolfPAC,

There is plenty of information on a new division available on the NCAA website.  Jack Copeland wrote a brief recap on the discussion in the latest edition of the NCAA News.  Poke around at ncaa.org to find just about anything you're interested in.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 25, 2008, 09:29:43 AM
"Rather easily" is an interesting choice of words.

I'll be at both games on Saturday and the webcasts, as always, are available through either our website or the front page at d3hoops.com.

Graveyard....Cemetery...that's your call.  I think you need some Dzik aura to get in the door over there.  I'd rather just grab a slice at Rosa's on the way home, or stop by Trooper's for the hand carved Beef-n-Cheese. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2008, 09:41:41 AM
There's also a rather large discussion on the boards titled "Future of Division III."

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?board=1495.0
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 26, 2008, 07:52:19 PM
Jon,   

Had a fun time up at the PE center.   The hospitality was warm as well.

The Crusaders were just a better team, the Cavs could not dribble the ball and they seemed to have handed it over many times.  I thought the first half (25-25) was an indication of what was to come but not so....

Time for dinner..

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on January 26, 2008, 09:35:24 PM
Wolfy,

Thanks for stopping in.  Coach Miller had some extra leftover Rosa's Pizza around 5:30, but I'm sure you were already well on your way home by then.

The Cavs have a great building block in Washington...the future could be bright.  Good luck the rest of the way.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on January 28, 2008, 06:59:16 PM
Alvrenia is on a roll. It is gonna be hard to beat them at home.
Title: Cabrini
Post by: Booker on January 28, 2008, 11:57:54 PM
For those of you who have written to say that Herenda is a good coach with a lot of passion, you are having the wool pulled over your eyes!

I saw another Cabrini game tonight and I am convinced that this coach is worse than the last one. He is more of an egotist than the last guy, but will get a free pass this year to do the crazy things he does because he has connected himself with the local basketball community, reconnected with the basketball alumni, and gives the impression that he knows a lot about basketball, not to mention that he has that all important Division 1 experience beside his name which taught him one thing...how to stomp his foot!

In the meantime the players, 3 of whom who have had 3 coaches in 4 years, and most who went through last year's mess, are enduring the humiliation and frustration of another season that is all about the coach, not the players, while the underclassmen are probably wondering what they have gotten themselves into.

What basketball coach spends time playing to the crowd, instructing the fans and cheerleaders to get up and cheer, and then turns around and screams at his bench players who are not cheering loud enough. For crying out loud, coach your team Herenda.

And while you are at it, how about coming up with a rotation of some sort so that the players know their roles...how in the name of God could any player on that Cabrini team know what his role is. That is, until the second half of an important game. That is when the players who should have been in during the first half for a reasonable amount of time, and been part of a regular rotation are asked to suck it up and come in and win the game, and then blamed for the loss when they do things every player does...miss a shot, foul or turn the ball over. It is never the coach's fault.

What college coach plays all 15 players, or in tonight's case, 14, in the first half of a game. What is he trying to prove. This is not biddy basketball. Freshman do not expect to play, and let's be truthful, there are going to be players on every college team who just don't play. That is what intramurals is for.

For at least the 6th time tonight Herenda coached the team to a loss. The box scores confirm this. Look at the minutes and the list of players who have played in the Widener, Neumann, Scranton, Alvernia, and Lycoming games, not to mention the first half of tonight's game.  When you are up 10 points in the first half at Eastern you leave your starters in, or at least use a rotation of players who are ready to be on the court, and pile it on. Herenda is the stereotypical rally killer. Shooters are hot, kill the rally by taking them out, players (some) make a mistake and they are looking over their shoulders to see who is coming in for them. Half the time the players on the court are double checking  to see who they are on the court with because there is no sense or logic and certainly no expectation of whom you would think should  be on the court during the first half of an important league game. How could that possibly be happening at this point in the season!

Let's hope for the players sake that they win some of the important games down the stretch and make the play-offs for their own dignity, and then the new administration endorses the value of the basketball program and makes a decision to get someone to coach this team who knows what coaching is all about...the players not himself.
Title: Re: Cabrini
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2008, 12:11:46 AM
There's already a PAC board.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2008, 02:29:03 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2008, 12:11:46 AM
There's already a PAC board.
Merged!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 29, 2008, 09:36:26 AM
Oh boy!  Cabrini has some issues.   I think Cabrini was in every game this year and could have won at least 3 more games.

Glenn Washington is their franchise player.  Seems the players are a little tentative.  Whether it is because of the coach I don't know.  Eastern should have never won that game.   Give EU's staff credit though, they put their team in position to win and they executed.

Hard to replace a legendary coach that dominated the other coaches in the PAC.   This is the result when an administration pulls the plug because of some stupid power struggle.  Only the students end up suffering. 


Perhaps the new coach at Cabrini is taking a different perspective.  One through the lens of the future. Evaluating what he needs to go after in recruiting talent, skills, and attitude to win when all these players are gone.  If Washington is any indication of how he recruits there should be much to look forward to at Cabrini.   Good things take time.  The natives are restless and the players, students, and fans want to win NOW especially when every game given away could be the one that knocks the Cavs out of the playoffs.

From a Cabrini student's perspective.....  I am sure it must be so humiliating to drop a game to Eastern.   Cavs basketball is a work in progress.    Thank God for their women's team. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on January 29, 2008, 12:00:57 PM
Wolfie,

You think it is humiliating for a Cabrini student to drop a game to EU?  Why is that?  EU is a better team.  Cabrini's students must be pretty humiliated this year, as EU has owned them in soccer, lacrosse, field hockey, etc., etc.  Open your eyes.  It's not about what the fans think.

Every team could have won more games (except the NE Pats this year).  You guys just don't have the talent or coaching to get it done this year.  Plus, we are all tired of hearing people complain about your administration.  They did what they did, and now they are trying to fix it.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on January 29, 2008, 01:05:03 PM
Chiz

Only recently.   I know you are not including men's lacrosse.   Just not used to seeing EU in as many NCAA tournaments as Cabrini has been in I guess.

The tide will turn quickly in a couple of years.  Trust me.   EU has talent and a good staff but some of their glory is due to the decline of Cabrini and others in the PAC.   I am not saying the students are not talented by any means.  The women have some great teams, and Matt N. is a great guy armed with those former Cabrini coaches.

Over the the long-run, it is obvious which school is most successful.  EU is doing better though.   I would love for the Eagles to win the PAC in mens basketball or any other sport as long as it is not against the Cavs.

Trust me, there are some (not me) who want revenge badly.  The time will come when they pour it on!  Anybody can beat anybody in the PAC this year. 

Until then, enjoy the ride.  Sit back and watch like I do

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on January 30, 2008, 11:22:02 PM
I would agree that seven minutes into the game seems to be a little bit soon to start doing offense/defense substitutions, but the Cabrini team had some pretty serious foul trouble in the opening minutes of the game. Rather than sitting Washington and Reid with two fouls, the coach platooned them with defensive players. It made for a very long game, but the strategy is understandable given the importance of those two kids to their offense. On the other side, it seemed as though the Eastern team was committed to going at those two players to try to get them to foul out. Had he left them in for any extended period of defensive possessions, I think they both would have picked up another foul.
The Coach didn't miss second half lay-ups. Had Eastern hit a reasonable percentage of their early free-throws/lay-ins Cabrini would not have had the big lead to blow.
Not going to pretend too much about Cabrini, but my impression is that their kids who can score can really score, and that their kids who can defend can defend. I am not sure they have anyone that really does both with any level of proficiency, and that is an issue playing against veteran teams with a reasonably balanced attack. Washington is a tremendous scorer. I'm not going to say they would be better off he didn't come down to the defensive end of the floor at all, but he seemed a little bit bewildered by the defensive end. He will learn, but some of the older players are pretty one dimensional.
The foot stamping thing is really irritating, but it seems to have a method to it, so whatever.
Chiz...good to see you are still racking up good will and happiness on the board. Cabrini is a Tennis powerhouse. It was good to see both Eagle Road affairs scheduled with school in session. It will be interesting to see if the intensity of a single game series next year will outweigh the lack of conference implications.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 01, 2008, 10:21:59 AM
Cabrini Alumni game this Saturday at 10:30 am Dixon Center

Then... doubleheader with Immaculata at 1 & 3

Lots of friends, good times, and memories.  I heard quite a few are coming hope to see all there.

For more details check out cavsalumi.com  for the afterparty. 

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 01, 2008, 10:25:15 AM
Does Cabrini have a chance to make the playoffs?

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 01, 2008, 12:28:34 PM
Wolf -

Cabrini took a big hit in the playoff hunt last night.

The issue really is as Chairman describes - the lack of 'complete' players.  Herenda is a pretty good coach, but at this point in the season it's hard to keep the focus and emotion up when there seems to be little left to play for.  the next 3 games will tell the tale of this season.

C
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 01, 2008, 12:45:38 PM
Wolfy,

There's always a chance to make the playoffs.  With six teams making the postseason in a nine-team league you just need to avoid finishing in the bottom three.  At this point it looks as though Centenary and Marywood will likely finish in some combination of 8-9, so that leaves one more spot to miss the playoffs.  That Cabrini/Neumann game could be big on Feb. 11 and it's interesting that Cabrini hasn't faced the Cougars yet.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 01, 2008, 01:10:25 PM
Jon, excellent point about the Neumann/Cabrini game with big implications.  I was thinking the same thing.  Neumann can rack up points quick with Patrick and Hitchens (x2!) but so can Cabrini.  Now they have to face the Macs, the Miseri, and a Centenary that can surprise.  While Cabrini isn't facing Alvernia anymore, it will have to battle against the #'s 1 and 3 in conference.  Methinks the Cavs are spent.

Wolf, get used to seeing EU teams in the NCAA's.  They are here to stay.  And you can't ride the "at least Cabrini is good at lacrosse" argument.  It sounds weak and New Englandey.  Get out of the past.  Your athletic program, as Matthew Nadelhoffer, Jr., so accurately stated on his outfit on Monday, STINKS!  You guys are only good at lacrosse.  Cabrini basketball has Randy Reid and Glenn Washington, and next year you have Washington.  You better hope Herenda can get as friggin' lucky with recruiting as he did getting Washington.

Face it.  EU is winning the battle of Eagle road in academics and athletics.  And Charles Bush also stinks.
Title: Cabrini Circus
Post by: Booker on February 01, 2008, 01:15:12 PM
Well last night took the cake.To say that there is a "lack of complete players" is an indication that the wool continues to be pulled over one's eyes. How about a "complete lack of the right players on the court!" Lack of complete players...how could you know that when there is never a consistent group of players on the court long enough to get anything done.

The cat is out of the bag now. The show Herenda put on last night was a complete disgrace...an embarrassment to the school, the students, the alumni players and worst of all, the current team. Better yet he did it in front of alumni players and a number of other league coaches. All 15 players played in the first 5 minutes of the game last night!  The looks on the faces of the players who were subbing in for players who we know should be on the court at critical times tells it all. Good work Herenda...maybe the very kids that were once vying with each other for spots will realize that you have completely undone the team and the program will pull together for each other these last few games.

The circus atmosphere on the bench and the revolving door at the scorers' table was unbelievable. A couple favorites... the head coach down on all 4's pounding his head on the court, the head coach spending valuable coaching time imploring the cheerleaders and fans to cheer. And of course the continued and varied stomping postions!

Oh, and by the way, Herenda had nothing to do with Glenn Washington coming to Cabrini, but he will probably have everything to do with his leaving!

So, I guess this is part of the plan, which makes absolute sense when you are dealing with someone as self-centered as this coach...it is now all about him now!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 01, 2008, 01:47:03 PM
I saw virtually none of this circus you speak of when the Cavs were here last weekend.  Either Coach Herenda was under the weather, or his subdued twin brother was in charge.  There was very limited floor stomping, and I was forewarned to keep an eye out for it.  The substitution pattern was a bit jumbled, but I didn't think out of the ordinary considering they were in a bit of foul trouble.  They did partake in an extensive period of offense-defense in the second half which was noticeable, but nothing to get overly worked up about.

I suppose I'll defer to those who have seen more games, but I think Coach shows potential for the future of Cavs basketball.  I thought it was commendable the way his players were into the game cheering for the small things that good teams do well (getting back on defense to stop fast breaks, effective double-teaming, etc.).  I'd much rather see that from a bench than six kids with arms folded on chests slouching down to pout cause they aren't on the floor.

Regardless of who brought Washington to campus, the fact remains that he is there and productive.  He's a piece to build around.  Give the coach a chance to recruit around him.  After all, coaching is roughly 80 percent recruiting, and Herenda has been on campus for less than nine months.  Running him out the door now makes his position look more like the revolving door you complain about at the scorer's table.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 01, 2008, 02:45:40 PM
Booker--
I have my theories about your identity, but I would love to have you come out and say what your specific connection is. Twelve players played in the first 10 minutes of the game. With Cabrini down 11-2 the coach subbed everyone out. It seems that the game between the Griffins, who have been in the Playoffs for the last five or six years and that Cavs who have missed the playoffs for the past two, was a one point game with 30 seconds left. Say what you want, they were in the game against a team that should beat them.
What would your starting line-up be for the Cavaliers? Who do you put in the game after Reid and Washington pick up two fouls in the first five minutes? I would agree that any line-up without those two is going to struggle to score. Any line-up with those two in it had better have three really good defensive players in it.
Cabrini has some really tough defensive players, but those kids are not gifted offensive players. You probably need to pull the burr out your saddle and give the coach a chance. They are not getting blown out, and it is, with the exception of Washington, pretty much the same group that staggered through the last two PAC seasons. You can make the argument that Washington makes them way better because of his ability to score, and that has truth to it, but he is not a spectacular defender or ball-handler and he is a freshman.


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 01, 2008, 05:32:03 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 01, 2008, 01:10:25 PM
Jon, excellent point about the Neumann/Cabrini game with big implications.  I was thinking the same thing.  Neumann can rack up points quick with Patrick and Hitchens (x2!) but so can Cabrini.  Now they have to face the Macs, the Miseri, and a Centenary that can surprise.  While Cabrini isn't facing Alvernia anymore, it will have to battle against the #'s 1 and 3 in conference.  Methinks the Cavs are spent.

Wolf, get used to seeing EU teams in the NCAA's.  They are here to stay.  And you can't ride the "at least Cabrini is good at lacrosse" argument.  It sounds weak and New Englandey.  Get out of the past.  Your athletic program, as Matthew Nadelhoffer, Jr., so accurately stated on his outfit on Monday, STINKS!  You guys are only good at lacrosse.  Cabrini basketball has Randy Reid and Glenn Washington, and next year you have Washington.  You better hope Herenda can get as friggin' lucky with recruiting as he did getting Washington.

Face it.  EU is winning the battle of Eagle road in academics and athletics.  And Charles Bush also stinks.


Hey Chiz,

Did not mean to ruffle your feathers, but I must admit EU is winning the battle of Eagle Road.    You forgot about Cabrini's tennis team and track championship as well.

(HAHAHA)  I only care about basketball to be honest.  The Lady Cavs are the only decent team right now, but they got put in their place as well by GW.

Things will turn around so be careful about gloating. Things can come back and bite you so be careful.  I know Matt N. personally.  He is a great guy.    In analyzing the game I do believe EU did have more talent and balance than Cabrini and should have won the game more easily in fact.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 01, 2008, 05:41:18 PM
Cabrini has no AD, the president is leaving and the administration at the moment does not seem too interested in winning anything.  I can only hope the new AD & the new president will change things for the best.

Until they get serious about things and support an athletic program that is worthy of D3 competition with new personnel up top they are going nowhere fast.   Feel bad for the coaches who are committed.

Should be interesting the rest of the way in more ways than one.

The wing bowl was better than the game I saw last night. 
Yeah Joey Chestnut! ! !
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 01, 2008, 08:00:41 PM
Booker, err, uhh, Wolfie,

I'm starting to wonder if even Christ himself would be able to do the job you expect a coach to do.  Sure, I make fun of him, but that's my job as an EU fan.  You should be supporting him.

While I don't think Herenda should be focusing on getting the crowd to do anything except show up (with more wins and better players), I do think he should have more of a chance from his supposed supporters.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 01, 2008, 08:04:37 PM
On to other things.  Maybe.

What do we all think about Derahn Patrick?  I've seen him now a few times and wish he had a mental game to support his ability to score.  It seems that he mopes around until the start of the second half, and then decides its his turn to shoot.  Most of the time at that point, he scores at will, unless he has a good defender face-guarding him or he is having a bad night.

I do, however, like to watch the Hitchens brothers.  They seem to play real strong, not cheap like Patrick's cheap shots he is famous for.

Oh, and speaking of siblings on Neumann's basketball teams.  Has anyone seen the twins playing for the women's team?  What a couple hotties!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 02, 2008, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 01, 2008, 08:04:37 PM
On to other things.  Maybe.

What do we all think about Derahn Patrick?  I've seen him now a few times and wish he had a mental game to support his ability to score.  It seems that he mopes around until the start of the second half, and then decides its his turn to shoot.  Most of the time at that point, he scores at will, unless he has a good defender face-guarding him or he is having a bad night.

I do, however, like to watch the Hitchens brothers.  They seem to play real strong, not cheap like Patrick's cheap shots he is famous for.

Oh, and speaking of siblings on Neumann's basketball teams.  Has anyone seen the twins playing for the women's team?  What a couple hotties!


Chiz,

Its junk.  The ole Chester recruiting pipeline........... Alvernia used to have it too but moved on.  Center stage mentality. 

I don't like to win cheap even EU plays team ball, you know better than that,  this is D3.   It makes for an entertaining evening though I must admit whenever one plays the Knights.   Wish they would get a real gym though.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 02, 2008, 09:22:43 AM
Hope everyone gets to go to the Cavs alumni game today!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 03, 2008, 04:27:25 AM
Whoa... That was unexpected... At least Marywood held form.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 03, 2008, 10:13:21 AM
Booker--
Congrats, your ranting seems to have worked. Your coach shortened the rotation by two players and they beat Immaculata. Please comment.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cabrinibasketballmom on February 03, 2008, 11:19:10 AM
It seems as though "Booker" is the only one who fully understands what is going on with the Cavs this year! His comments were on point and accurate! 

I was disappointed to read the negative comments posted by the "Wiz"about Charles Bush.  Of all the people you could have spoken about, why him? I doubt that the  "Wiz" knows anything about him as a player or person, that would allow him to speak so ill of him. But, the cream rises to the top, as evident in yesterday's game/win against Immaculata!  So, no words are necessary!

Instead of criticizing players the "WIZ" should applaud these young men, who despite being disrespected and having their confidence constantly stomped on, have managed to persevere through the "many facets of Cabrini basketball."  It's not always about basketball, look at their individual accomplishments; community service, honor roll status, and their success off the court. That is what is REALLY important in the long run, long after basketball is over!  It is really not about how many minutes they play, but how they play the game of life.

The "Wiz" must be a coach, because he has such a disdain for parental involvement.  Parental involvement is ONLY necessary when coaches and administration have no communication with their players and don't allow them to speak without retaliation! Coaches need to be held accountable to the same standards that the University requires its faculty and students to uphold.  As for his mom being hypocritical, she is far from that, since she is the only parent who has spoken directly to the source of the problem, while many others have talked behind the scenes and are fearful to do otherwise.  So, don't speak about things you know nothing about!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 03, 2008, 11:58:06 AM

Nice victory for the Cabrini Cavaliers.  Please give credit to them they worked hard and won a big game.

As far as Cheesewhiz  .... don't worry about him.   Actions speak louder than words.

Should be interesting the rest of the way.  Cabrini will play EU, Neumann at home.    Bush hit a big 3 down the stretch and handled the ball pretty well yesterday. 

Hey Chiz,  where do you coach at anyway ??

Booker keep ranting if this is what happens. 


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 03, 2008, 03:09:14 PM
I don't think the rants are well-placed at this time of the season.  Cabrini needs to keep winning games and negativism isn't going to help much.

Yesterday's win was about Immaculata not paying well against a zone and Cabrini hustling on the boards.  Oxley came out on fire and the team played with intensity the whole way.

Cabrinimom - the players get a chance at the end of the season to make comments to and about the coach and staff.  That's the best time to create positive change.  I'll be honest and say that I think that complaining at this point will help no one.  Some players respond to aggressive coaches.  Some to fatherly coaches.  Some to laid-back coaches.

If your boy isn't happy he has to suck it up for a few more games and then he's got a choice to make.  I'm not criticizing anyone, just telling you how it is.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 03, 2008, 05:02:42 PM
my bet is that one of Booker's boys was cut out of the rotation and that he won't respond. Cabrini mom-- Chiz specializes in the innappropriate, so if you feel offended, look at the karma points next to his name and realize that you are not alone.

The PAC Schedule leads to some pretty interesting events down the stretch. With seven games to play, Immaculata has GMC and Eastern twice, on the Road at the Vern, Neumann, and Misericordia. They will do well to win four games in that stretch. Neumann has six to play, but has four home games with Centenary and Cabrini on the road. One of their home games is Marywood. I think that makes Monday night a big one in Aston.

Still waiting on Booker.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 04, 2008, 03:06:11 PM
wats up everybody?

I am a new comer to the Pac Chat Line however i read it everyday...


On Jan 28th MR. PAC said that "the vern" as you all call it would be hard to beat @ home. THE FIRST GAME BACK IN THEIR HOME BULIDING THEY LOSE???? Great Call...

Now i am an Immaculata Fan. I do not have any relation to the team except i live across the street. I love basketball and this team is so Tough. They have 4 count em FOUR players in double digits. that is hard to beat.

They did just lose to cabrini a game that i attended. They got beat. Not to make any excuses BUT Lepone their spark off the bench alond with Strickland was not in attendence and Hyman one of their starters was in his travel gear? thats 20.1 pts per game not on the floor and i think that hurt them.

Remember this Immaculata team beat "THE VERN" Neumann and Miseri ALREADY at home by an average of 7 points. THEY ARE UNBEATEN AT HOME by the way MR. PAC. They beat a team that is recieving 58 votes last week in the poll. Remeber Ursinus??? they beat them by 10.

I read this everyday and you all dont give these guys ANY credit. Period. They are the Best in the PAC as i type. Tonight will be a good game at GMC. A place that Immaculata took over last year in the Playoffs and beat GMC. Both are tough teams. A game i will watch via webcast. This is going to be a tough week but if the Macs Go 3-0 this week... Then what? are you guys going to say o well they still have to beat Eastern? because if 3-0 happens this week the sweep GMC AND Neumann this season. Just throwing this out there...

Correct me if I am wrong with ANYTHING i had to say and please Respond i want to know where this Chat line is coming from with shunning IU all the time


hIdeUmm out
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 04, 2008, 03:10:05 PM
i meant Strickland being a Spark of the bench with Lepone... Not that Strickland did not play because he did and had a solid game... sorry for the confusion



hIdeUmm out
Title: Welcome to the board
Post by: Jon on February 04, 2008, 03:39:22 PM
And HIdeUmm comes flying out of the gate with both barrels blazing!  Welcome to the PAC Chat Line.

Don't take much offense to the fact that there isn't a whole lot of IU chatter on this board. It doesn't mean people are shunning the Mighty Macs, it's just that most people who post in here have a fairly strong affiliation to a particular institution, and prior to your bursting onto the scene, there was no real Immaculata connection.

We've all seen Immaculata play and no one thinks it is a pushover.  You don't fluke your way to the conference final.  I will say this though...I'm not overly impressed with four players averaging double digits, especially when three of them are under 10½.  I like the fact the Macs hold teams to under 70 ppg and stay almost even on the boards without a player taller than 6-4 playing more than 10 minutes per game.  Similar to Tennessee and UCLA on the big boy level, it's hard to find a team that plays harder game-to-game.

As for the Vern loss last weekend, it does appear unfortunate timing for MR. PAC's recent (Jan. 28) posting although you will find him frequently posting about the strength of the Crusaders.

This should be a good separation week for a lot of PAC teams...I wouldn't go posting that 3-0 Mighty Mac record until the week is over...the Complex and the Shoebox are two tough places to win.  The Griffins are on a bit of a roll and the Knights, as you pointed out, handed the defending champs their first conference home loss.

My guess is both video webcasts tonight will be popular picks.  Enjoy the evening.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 04, 2008, 03:53:47 PM
I didnt mean to offend anybody sorry if i did. I just had a lot to say and you are right Jon about the 10 1/2 points. But the rebound stat is something i like too. Im not saying the Macs are going to go 3-0 i was IF they do then what. This is the toughest week in the season for the Macs. Im surely not sayin 3-0 is a definate BY NO MEANS. I was throwing it out there. The Complex and Shoebox are hard to play in I agree. But like you said tonight and this week is a great week to be a fan of the PAC. I really do not know which people were affiliated to which team on here i mean i got a hint but for sure i didnt know. I apoligize im not meaning to come in and start tellin people they are wrong because I know the Vern is tought to beat at home but the moral is it happened and it has yet to happen to IU...


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: imma c u lata on February 04, 2008, 04:06:17 PM
This post is to give credit to the Immaculata Boys Basketball team, who sometimes don't get the respect they deserve. All the respect in the world to all the other PAC teams and good luck to them, but its about time someone points out how remarkable this team is. Being a student at IU, the team has truly brought this school together in only its third year in existence. Last year in only there second season in existence Jaime Chadwin who would eventually win PAC coach of the year led his team into Gywned Mercy and upset the Griffins in the PAC semi finals. Who would have thought? Even though a loss would come to Alvernia in the PAC championship, which it was well deserved, almost every student on the IU campus loaded onto buses and attended the game. This year has been more of the same as the team has gotten  off to a 8-1 record in the PAC and is currently in first place. Its ashame some people think we will be lucky to win 4 out of our next 7 games, where they came up with that prediction is beyond me. I believe the record speaks for itself, the team is 8-1 in the PAC for a reason.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 04, 2008, 04:19:46 PM
HIdeUmm,

I don't take offense to any of your statements, and I think I can speak for most of the other regulars who also wouldn't take offense.  This room exists for knowledgeable people to make comments, ask questions, make predictions, etc. on all things pertaining to PAC Basketball.  It's good to have some IU reps voicing their opinions.

Continue to post your thoughts and opinions.  This board has way too many readers and not enough writers.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 04, 2008, 04:21:51 PM
Theresa Grentz & Cathy Rush own that school.  Hard to think of IU as a mens place.  Guess time will tell.  Must admit Chadwin is a good coach and the Macs are having a good beginning.    Lets see what the long haul has in store though.

How many coaches does IU have for the men?  

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2008, 04:24:20 PM
Quote from: imma c u lata on February 04, 2008, 04:06:17 PM
This post is to give credit to the Immaculata Boys Basketball team, who sometimes don't get the respect they deserve.

Awesome. How about the men's basketball team?

Boys and girls are in high school. College is men's and women's basketball. :)

Welcome, new posters.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 04, 2008, 04:24:39 PM
My first time to the PAC chat line. With much respect to the Macs.  They have a good team and good players and anybody who thinks they don't have a chance to win the PAC is either too much of a homer or they are dilussional.  However, as a Cavs alum, they had no chance on Saturday.  Upset was in the cards before the game even started.  Too much "karma" from the many great players that attended Cabrini at the game.  There was no way that the coach or those players were going to let that game get away from them.  Kudos to the coach and the players.  A great time had by all at the beef and beer AFTER ;D the game!!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 04, 2008, 04:25:15 PM
Anyone out there have any information on a fundraiser or benefit for Larry Sugden???  

Ohara, Cabrini, alumni who is fighting hard ? ?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 04, 2008, 04:32:14 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 04, 2008, 04:24:39 PM
My first time to the PAC chat line. With much respect to the Macs.  They have a good team and good players and anybody who thinks they don't have a chance to win the PAC is either too much of a homer or they are dilussional.  However, as a Cavs alum, they had no chance on Saturday.  Upset was in the cards before the game even started.  Too much "karma" from the many great players that attended Cabrini at the game.  There was no way that the coach or those players were going to let that game get away from them.  Kudos to the coach and the players.  A great time had by all at the beef and beer AFTER ;D the game!!



Mailsy,  you hit the nail on the head.    "too much karma"

Looked like wtihout  that one gaurd I think IU was not at their best  The zone seemed to give them alot of trouble as well.

Hey Mighty Mac fans, at least you know you will make the playoffs, the Cavs are fighting hard which could spell trouble for those who take them lightly with their new coach.   Glad to hear some IU people commenting as well.  Enjoyed the day at the Dixon center.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 04, 2008, 06:15:24 PM
Welcome to all the new posters...this could be a banner day for the PAC Chat Line.

I'm about to settle in for a rousing Cedar Crest / Alvernia match-up with some IU/GMC action on in the background sometime after halftime.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 04, 2008, 09:03:24 PM
Where's Booker? Everyone is posting but him. Welcome to the board Immaculata folks. I didn't mean to speak ill of the Mighty Macs with my earlier comments, but rather to comment that their eight wins included four games against the bottom of the League (who you have to beat and  at home.) Their only two road wins in league on the year came at Cedar Crest and Rosemont... oops...I mean Marywood and Centenary. Those trips are difficult only in that they involve long bus rides. Crowds are benign and or non-existent and the teams are what they are.)

Eastern is struggling mightily at the half.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 05, 2008, 12:52:14 AM
Wow. Props to the Mighty Macs on a massive comeback at GMC. That's a big hurdle for them. Not sure how on earth they could be down 25 at half, but they made came out in the second half and did the work.
Tough to say whether Neumann was really good tonight or if the Eagles were TERRIBLE. First half defense was non-existent and some of the most inexplicable turnovers-- I'm sure Neumann kids got credit for steals, but a lot of them were simply passes right to the wrong team. An Eastern rotation of Reels, Miller, Piotrowski, Myers, Decker, Manzo, Leegwater, and Wright played the second half. They were able to cut a 20+ point deficit down to the final margin of 10, but this game was lost in the first half.
3-7 in a barrel and pick four names out for the play-offs. This could come down to tie-breakers for position and possibly a spot. Will Marywood or Centenary get anyone? That could be a disaster for the team who takes that loss.
Jon, I missed the webcast tonight. How did you do on the Nielson ratings for the thriller over the Falcons?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 05, 2008, 09:01:34 AM

Nice comeback Macs!

What happened to Eastern Chiz?  Are the Knights that good?

Looked like the Griffins were tired and zapped. They had problems with the Mac defense in the second half.  Baron could not do anything but call timeouts.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 05, 2008, 10:21:18 AM
Overnight ratings didn't move the needle.

Quote from: chairman on February 05, 2008, 12:52:14 AM
An Eastern rotation of Reels, Miller, Piotrowski, Myers, Decker, Manzo, Leegwater, and Wright played the second half. They were able to cut a 20+ point deficit down to the final margin of 10, but this game was lost in the first half.

I think this one speaks to my earlier statement that no team works harder than the Macs.  They nearly went from a 20+ deficit to final margin of 10 as well, but in a much more impressive way.  For those of us with other affiliations, I suppose the hope is that our team will recognize what it takes to beat Immaculata and try to match that level of effort.  My guess is that a religious affiliation keeps the Macs from adopting Nolan Richardson's style specifically, so maybe Bruce Pearl's "Controlled Chaos" is a better fit.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 05, 2008, 10:41:54 AM
UNBELIEVEABLE!!!!

Its hard to believe that a team like GMC can get out worked they way they did last night. But the MACS came out on fire. It had to be something with that side of the court.  In my opinion GMC DIDNT Lose that game the Macs Won that game by having more will to win. In a game like that i think the coaches can only motivate the team. Chadwin had to say something to kick those guys into gear in the locker room. I dont want to question a coach like Baron but i would love to hear what he had to say in the locker room. I aslo wonder what was going through the GMC players minds and hearts as the diminished.

Finklea-19 Jones-17 hard fought baskets in the land of the giants (9 from the line) Marston- 12 with 4 huge blocks. AND Hyman with 22 after basically sitting out two games... this is what i was saying is hard to beat. Lepone and Strinckland played the first half but i dont know why they didnt play in the second half????

Just a hard fought win.

Neumann on a roll is going to want a win to stay in the playoff hunt on thursday vs the Macs. But are the Macs too strong? Another great game to watch...
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: cabrinibasketballmom on February 05, 2008, 12:30:42 PM
Coach C,
My post did not suggest that any player is unhappy, however, it does address the behavior of Coaches and suggest that Booker was accurate in his analysis regarding Cabrini.  The truth is not always positive or pleasant.....

In the many years that my family has been involved in the world of sports, I have yet to experience a basketball coach who takes positive criticism or suggestions from players, or for that matter, parents, regarding any aspect of coaching or their personality, either before or after the season.  I have only met one Coach, a football coach, who took that approach to Coaching, and had an open door policy for players, parents and administration.  I guess that is why he was so successful at Oklahoma, and respected by most of his former players. In my opinion, you have to be a secure person in order to listen, without retaliation, and implement change at the suggestion of another.

You are right when you say that each kid responds to a different style of coaching; abuse doesn't work for everyone! However, a good Coach is very aware of that fact and makes the effort to take the time to learn what motivates and makes his individual players tick.  This should be done because each player has a different personality and set of skills, and if put together in the right order they can create a good TEAM.   For some reason Coaches do not seem to realize the affect they have on an individual player, or do they?  I understand that their is a great deal of pressure on Coaches to win, however, they should strive to create a positive, organized and disciplined environment, in order to get the best from their athletes. This creates a winning atmosphere. To me, it appears that some coaches are so busy feeding their own egos, and controlling everyone and everything, that learning about their players isn't an option.   

In my opinion, the teams that are successful/winners, appear to have a great deal of respect for their coach and play hard to win, not only for their team and school, but for their coach as well.  Just look at Immaculata, I think that is a good example of learning your players, and creating a successful program.  Their coaches have managed to accomplish putting together a winning team in just 3 years! 

As for Cabrini, my hope is that what we saw on Saturday, is now the norm!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: imma c u lata on February 05, 2008, 02:38:10 PM
Jon you hit the nail on its head when you said the MAC's are the hardest working team in the confrence. I think the effort is  led by the the hardest working player in the confrence Rob Jones. Last night in the second half against GMC he was a monster on the boards and got every loose ball. The balance on this team seems to show every game, everyone knows there role and no one seems to ever do something thats not in there game. Last night was a statement for the MAC's, it let the whole confrence know that they better be able to finish games and play right down to the buzzer.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 05, 2008, 04:15:31 PM
Quote from: cabrinibasketballmom on February 05, 2008, 12:30:42 PM
Coach C,
My post did not suggest that any player is unhappy, however, it does address the behavior of Coaches and suggest that Booker was accurate in his analysis regarding Cabrini.  The truth is not always positive or pleasant.....

In the many years that my family has been involved in the world of sports, I have yet to experience a basketball coach who takes positive criticism or suggestions from players, or for that matter, parents, regarding any aspect of coaching or their personality, either before or after the season.  I have only met one Coach, a football coach, who took that approach to Coaching, and had an open door policy for players, parents and administration.  I guess that is why he was so successful at Oklahoma, and respected by most of his former players. In my opinion, you have to be a secure person in order to listen, without retaliation, and implement change at the suggestion of another.

You are right when you say that each kid responds to a different style of coaching; abuse doesn't work for everyone! However, a good Coach is very aware of that fact and makes the effort to take the time to learn what motivates and makes his individual players tick.  This should be done because each player has a different personality and set of skills, and if put together in the right order they can create a good TEAM.   For some reason Coaches do not seem to realize the affect they have on an individual player, or do they?  I understand that their is a great deal of pressure on Coaches to win, however, they should strive to create a positive, organized and disciplined environment, in order to get the best from their athletes. This creates a winning atmosphere. To me, it appears that some coaches are so busy feeding their own egos, and controlling everyone and everything, that learning about their players isn't an option.   

In my opinion, the teams that are successful/winners, appear to have a great deal of respect for their coach and play hard to win, not only for their team and school, but for their coach as well.  Just look at Immaculata, I think that is a good example of learning your players, and creating a successful program.  Their coaches have managed to accomplish putting together a winning team in just 3 years! 

As for Cabrini, my hope is that what we saw on Saturday, is now the norm!



I hope your comment about the "norm" comes true to play.  Perhaps they know now what it takes after a little alumni rubs off on them.  Only goes to show anybody can beat anybody in the PAC this year.  I just hope they all come to the realization that they must work hard every minute and that every game means something.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 05, 2008, 04:26:45 PM
Quote from: Jon on February 05, 2008, 10:21:18 AM
Overnight ratings didn't move the needle.

Quote from: chairman on February 05, 2008, 12:52:14 AM
An Eastern rotation of Reels, Miller, Piotrowski, Myers, Decker, Manzo, Leegwater, and Wright played the second half. They were able to cut a 20+ point deficit down to the final margin of 10, but this game was lost in the first half.

I think this one speaks to my earlier statement that no team works harder than the Macs.  They nearly went from a 20+ deficit to final margin of 10 as well, but in a much more impressive way.  For those of us with other affiliations, I suppose the hope is that our team will recognize what it takes to beat Immaculata and try to match that level of effort.  My guess is that a religious affiliation keeps the Macs from adopting Nolan Richardson's style specifically, so maybe Bruce Pearl's "Controlled Chaos" is a better fit.


Jon -----

You have to love the parity !    This is great for all fans.  Seems as more and more fans, parents, and students become more familiar with the players, the competitiveness rises.  Love seeing new posts from the MACS.

This can only grow the PAC into a more legitimate conference despite the critics assessment.  With the names being tossed around, interest peaks for tiebreakers as well.  The fans seem to have more of a vested interest this year.   Hope more will travel to the games as well even if their team is not playing in the game during the playoffs.  All benefit.

Wish Cabrini could play you again at the Vern !
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on February 05, 2008, 06:52:04 PM
Quote from: cabrinibasketballmom on February 05, 2008, 12:30:42 PM

In the many years that my family has been involved in the world of sports, I have yet to experience a basketball coach who takes positive criticism or suggestions from players, or for that matter, parents, regarding any aspect of coaching or their personality, either before or after the season.  I have only met one Coach, a football coach, who took that approach to Coaching, and had an open door policy for players, parents and administration.  I guess that is why he was so successful at Oklahoma, and respected by most of his former players. In my opinion, you have to be a secure person in order to listen, without retaliation, and implement change at the suggestion of another.


I wonder if Coach K has an open door policy to players, parents and so on?

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 05, 2008, 10:45:13 PM
Surprising too, because the Falcons are usually tough on the road.

In all seriousness. The fact that Marywood and Centenary are not taking any wins at all in the rest of the league seriously changes the play-off paradigm in the PAC. Usually you think with six of nine making it that an 8-8 team will make it and that 9-7 is a lock. I'm running it through the computer, but I am pretty sure there are a couple scenarios (that aren't completely far-fetched) where a 9-7 team could miss the play offs.

I think the basket in front of the visitor's bench at Gwynedd might have better lighting. It certainly seemed that way when Eastern was there.



Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 05, 2008, 11:08:38 PM
not only verse eastern but last night as well
Title: The PAC Matrix
Post by: Jon on February 06, 2008, 10:22:10 AM
The Shawn Merion trade reminded me to update the PAC Matrix.  Surf on over to the Alvernia website to see the 2008 version.

2008 PAC Matrix (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2008/2/6/2008%20MB%20Matrix.pdf)
Title: Re: The PAC Matrix
Post by: WolfPAC on February 06, 2008, 01:17:36 PM
Quote from: Jon on February 06, 2008, 10:22:10 AM
The Shawn Merion trade reminded me to update the PAC Matrix.  Surf on over to the Alvernia website to see the 2008 version.

2008 PAC Matrix (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2008/2/6/2008%20MB%20Matrix.pdf)


Thanx Jon,

The next few days will budge the needle as you say or will  hold the needle back.  Seems like the middle has 2 common opponents Marywood/ Centenary, then each other.     Should be very interesting.  At least the top 2 are nailed down for the playoffs.   Hoping the Cavs win 4 games somehow and manage to edge into the playoffs to upset someone.   Looks like the Macs and the Vern again barring injuries. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 06, 2008, 03:39:21 PM
Jon, thanks for the matrix.  Always look forward to it.

Gotta say a few things about the EU loss to Neumann on Monday.  First, props to Neumann - they played well, esp. Patrick.  He really turned it on right away.  Neumann beat EU in every aspect of the game it seemed.

However, I was really disappointed with our seniors, and I'm not using the phrase senior leadership.  I think four of our seniors who usu. get major minutes had a sum total of 6pts., 6rebs., and 9to's.  That's disgusting.  I sure hope they can figure out that in the next 6 games, their legacy (albeit very small) can be bolstered by solid, tough, consistent play.  They can beat any team in the conference on a good day.

Chairman, while I might be inappropriate on this site, at least I'm not inappropriate with my athletes.  You know of what I speak.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 06, 2008, 03:41:19 PM
And I want to give credit where it's due.  Chadwin is running a great program up there in IU land.  Keep it up.  Your team is up there with Alvernia for two years now.  Props to the Macs.  (just lose to EU.)  For all you new Immac. supporters - welcome.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 06, 2008, 04:25:44 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 06, 2008, 03:41:19 PM
And I want to give credit where it's due.  Chadwin is running a great program up there in IU land.  Keep it up.  Your team is up there with Alvernia for two years now.  Props to the Macs.  (just lose to EU.)  For all you new Immac. supporters - welcome.

Chiz,   its getting tight down the wire.   Looking forward to the EU Cabrini game which could determine the fate of either team on the 18th.  Hey Chiz, who do you coach?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 06, 2008, 04:51:12 PM
Thanks for the matrix Jon, did you do one for the women as well?

The PAC schedule is quite the enigma. For a team to play a meaningful regular season game on a Thursday night and then turn around and play a play-off game in less than 36 hours doesn't seem to respect the playoff process. Also it seems that the out of balance situation really works against any level of predictability down the stretch. To play the same team twice in the waning weeks of the season doesn't seem right either.

It looks like nine wins is in, but there are still situations where a nine win team might be outside.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 06, 2008, 04:57:19 PM
You mean you didn't see the link on the women's PAC room?  (Sarcasm seems to be your pleasure, so I went with it)

To answer honestly I haven't gotten to it yet.

Pretty sure I'm not a big fan of a schedule that has two teams playing for the first time this late in the season with a second game still to come. 

Both games on the 21st will have teams turning right around to play again two days later.  I concur that doesn't seem good for business.  Even if you lobbied for an evening game on Saturday it doesn't seem the route to take.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 06, 2008, 04:58:33 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 06, 2008, 04:51:12 PM
Thanks for the matrix Jon, did you do one for the women as well?

The PAC schedule is quite the enigma. For a team to play a meaningful regular season game on a Thursday night and then turn around and play a play-off game in less than 36 hours doesn't seem to respect the playoff process. Also it seems that the out of balance situation really works against any level of predictability down the stretch. To play the same team twice in the waning weeks of the season doesn't seem right either.

It looks like nine wins is in, but there are still situations where a nine win team might be outside.



Chairman

Makes the prize more sweeter!  Did the realignment of the PAC really change the schedule enough to cause this enigma?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 06, 2008, 05:03:56 PM
Quote from: Jon on February 06, 2008, 04:57:19 PM
You mean you didn't see the link on the women's PAC room?  (Sarcasm seems to be your pleasure, so I went with it)

To answer honestly I haven't gotten to it yet.

Pretty sure I'm not a big fan of a schedule that has two teams playing for the first time this late in the season with a second game still to come. 

Both games on the 21st will have teams turning right around to play again two days later.  I concur that doesn't seem good for business.  Even if you lobbied for an evening game on Saturday it doesn't seem the route to take.

Jon, Will next season cure this problem or complicate it worse?  How can a team be ready enough for playoff form without time to prepare and geographic concerns as well influencing them.  Doesn't seem fair for a team that has travel issues.  We need the D1 approach. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 06, 2008, 05:09:45 PM
Not sure what the plan for next year would be.  All I know is the Freedom only takes the top four and they have been in a Wednesday/Saturday rotation for weeks.

I am tempted to insert something about how this could benefit a bye team if the #3 or #4 ends up playing on two-days rest, but looking forward I'm not sure there are any teams in the top six you would rather play or rather not play.  This whole thing, soup to nuts, is still wide open.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 06, 2008, 05:29:55 PM
On my matrix the lady Eagles were eliminated in mid-January, so I stopped.

In response to the idea that the top two spots are nailed down, I think that there are definitely two teams with inside tracks to those spots, and Immaculata's comeback on Monday was a huge road step in that direction, I don't think any spot is sewn up.

Nine teams battling for four spots should make for an interesting year next year.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 06, 2008, 06:22:48 PM
Wolf,

I don't coach a team.

Keep trying ;)

Quote from: WolfPAC on February 06, 2008, 04:25:44 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 06, 2008, 03:41:19 PM
And I want to give credit where it's due.  Chadwin is running a great program up there in IU land.  Keep it up.  Your team is up there with Alvernia for two years now.  Props to the Macs.  (just lose to EU.)  For all you new Immac. supporters - welcome.

Chiz,   its getting tight down the wire.   Looking forward to the EU Cabrini game which could determine the fate of either team on the 18th.  Hey Chiz, who do you coach?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 06, 2008, 06:41:59 PM
Just a quick look at the rest of the schedule and I think nine wins will get you in and possibly even seven wins isn't a guaranteed out.  There are some brutal schedules left in the final weeks, and every night has multiple games of interest.

Good thing I have Duke/Carolina to get me through till Thursday.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 06, 2008, 08:41:41 PM
I can think of about 30 coaches off the top of my head who have what Cabrinimom calls an open door policy.

But the coach has to take criticism from outside the locker room with a grain of salt.  If folks don't come to practice, don't go to away games, or don't know the players that well,, the insight is limited at best.

I've seen this Cabrini coach work with the players and also seen how he talks about them.  He respects players who respect the game.  It's very clear.  Yeah - he can get a little wacky on the sideline, but that certainly seems to increased the enthusiasm from the cemetery-like atmosphere a year back.

I can't comment on late week's game, but I'll tell you that he did a hell of a job on Saturday.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 07, 2008, 10:47:56 AM
WHo dou you all have winning tonight. Predictions anyone?




And if anybody wants to take a minute and tell me what karma points are i would really appriciate it... Thanks.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 07, 2008, 01:27:55 PM
HideUmm, karma points are points that others can give or take depending on how they like you, your statements, or just feel like doling out.  You can start to do that once you get to 100 or 150 (not sure) posts.  Don't worry about them too much, as you can see I don't.  It won't affect your ability to post, etc.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 07, 2008, 01:44:08 PM
Somewhere there needs to be a tally page of karma points...maybe a list of the top five karma leaders and the bottom five bad karma leaders.

Tough blow for you there HIdeUm, getting an extra minus karma point today just for asking...
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 07, 2008, 02:07:22 PM
Quote from: HIdeUmm on February 07, 2008, 10:47:56 AM
WHo dou you all have winning tonight. Predictions anyone?




And if anybody wants to take a minute and tell me what karma points are i would really appriciate it... Thanks.

Sorry, I only analyzed the Cavs game in depth but here is what I predict for what it is worth......

Mis-  70
Cavs-64

Alvernia-85
Gwyn-68

Imm-79
Neum-75  possible OT though
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 07, 2008, 02:48:30 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on February 07, 2008, 02:07:22 PM
Quote from: HIdeUmm on February 07, 2008, 10:47:56 AM
WHo dou you all have winning tonight. Predictions anyone?




And if anybody wants to take a minute and tell me what karma points are i would really appriciate it... Thanks.

Sorry, I only analyzed the Cavs game in depth but here is what I predict for what it is worth......

Mis-  70
Cavs-64

Alvernia-85
Gwyn-68

Imm-79
Neum-75  possible OT though


WolfPAC,

I hope you are wrong on that Cabrini game.  Obviously, they need to keep winning.  This is a big game for the Cavs if they want to make playoffs.  Won't be able to get to the game.  Unfortunately Cabrini's not paying my bills.  Go Cavs!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 07, 2008, 02:59:26 PM
Thanks for the Explaination....

Im liking the OT Call for the Mac "W" tonight... Neumann is tough but i dont no if they can finish the Macs off.

GO CAVS is right have to root and believe the inside game of the Cavs can out work Miseri IF Coach H can leave the right personel in against them. I BELIEVE that the Cavs WILL Pull out a "W".

Im thinking (hoping as well) GMC comes out on fire and take it to Alvernia tonight after that Upsetting set back on Monday. Hoping that GMC doesnt jump out big because we all know where that gets them...


THE GAME OF THE NIGHT POSSIBLY?? Centenary vs Marywood... Just want Centenary to win again so there isnt 2 teams with 1 loss...

other than that a great night of bball on tap... Coronas chilled in my frige feet up laptop where its supposed to be (my lap) watching some good games... enjoy all... have a good evening!!!  ;D
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 07, 2008, 03:09:44 PM
200 posts is the number... To ask for karma is like asking for free tickets on the radio. It is a guarantee to go the other way. it is a way to track the credibility of an individual speaker. If you go to the CCIW chat room, you will see that there are some big fluctuations in quantity and quality of posters. Typically points are awarded for bringing insight or expert analysis to the table. In example, if I had the ability to applaud, Jon would have been credited for a very useful post with a matrix.

Smiting is the response to inappropriate, annoying, or inaccurate posts. The theory is that anyone who cares enough about the board to post will not go crazy smiting people who bring valuable insight that differs from their own. I would argue that the system works better on boards that have more active posters.

On the prediction front, I think Alvernia will hold off Gwynedd by 10 (No big lead for Gwynedd tonight) , Neumann will beat Immaculata by 8, Misericordia by a bucket, and Centenary will out-pace the 'Wood by 14. But then again, what do I know

Not a pretty picture at the Forge last night.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 07, 2008, 03:24:20 PM
Think of karma distribution as Stat Boy flicking the joysticks to give or take points during a rousing episode of Around the Horn.

Think of this as one lame post pulling me closer to begin a controller of Karma.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: PacMan20 on February 07, 2008, 03:44:34 PM
Does anyone have any thoughts on the progress (or lack there of) that the league is making? 

Immaculata has seemed to turn the corner, Misercordia is having a slightly above average season. Alvernia is doing ok within the league but there is non-conference record is not as strong as usual.  Cabrini seems to be improving if in small steps.  Eastern and Gwynedd have taken a steps backward. 

Basically what I'm getting at; is the PAC resigned to being one of the worst D3 mens bball conferences in the country? Is an at large bid completely out of sight? 

Just some food for thought to stir some conversation
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 07, 2008, 03:47:23 PM
seriously Jon.

It should be interesting to see which of us reaches that plateau first. One senior member of the board, and I ma not going to name who, but since there are only two.... I think everyone can guess... Put in a series of One line posts just to reach Smite status.

It's not Coach C....

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 07, 2008, 04:00:13 PM
The bigger level issue is what is going to happen next year. I think you overstate your case a bit. Without going into detail of naming conferences, the PAC is not "THE WORST," but your point is germane in that the league will lose three teams who are in the playoff hunt for this year including the dominant team from the past three year run.

My thought is that there are teams who are staying (ostensibly) who seemed to be poised with quality coaches and good young talent to make a move toward the top of the league. Immaculata's win over Ursinus looks bigger and bigger all the time, and Neumann, Cabrini, and even Centenary (who has some young talent and size-- maybe a point guard would be helpful) could step forward.

The truth is, however, there is not likely to see a PAC Team make a deep run in the NCAA tournament without a Badou-like pick-up.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 07, 2008, 04:47:07 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 07, 2008, 04:00:13 PM
The bigger level issue is what is going to happen next year. I think you overstate your case a bit. Without going into detail of naming conferences, the PAC is not "THE WORST," but your point is germane in that the league will lose three teams who are in the playoff hunt for this year including the dominant team from the past three year run.

My thought is that there are teams who are staying (ostensibly) who seemed to be poised with quality coaches and good young talent to make a move toward the top of the league. Immaculata's win over Ursinus looks bigger and bigger all the time, and Neumann, Cabrini, and even Centenary (who has some young talent and size-- maybe a point guard would be helpful) could step forward.

The truth is, however, there is not likely to see a PAC Team make a deep run in the NCAA tournament without a Badou-like pick-up.

When they move the 3 pt line back will this make a difference for some weaker teams in the PAC after those mentioned exit? 

Chairman... do you think Herenda is a good recruiter?  If these teams you mentioned come to the fore front in the PAC, the difference would obviously be who wins the recruitment battle.  If these teams left in the PAC have a disadvantage because the others left and athletes follow the cream do you believe the PAC has to rebuild its reputation by a different strategy and if so how will the commissioner do this ? ? 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 07, 2008, 06:00:28 PM
Truth be told, I have no idea if the new guy at Cabrini will be able to recruit there. it is a very expensive school-- not sure what the exact numbers are, but I know that it is more expensive than Eastern-- and while I think the education is probably pretty good, I'm not sure that the extra costs translate into extra value. It will be interesting to see if he can reopen some of the financial aid valves that seemed to squeeze shut near the close of Dzik's reign.

He seems like a nice guy, but the only way to judge a coach as a recruiter is either to be recruited by him or evaluate the level of talent that he brings to the team. I am not in position to make an assessment on that.

Really don't know how the commissioner will finish it. I know that the league is pretty aggressive with their webcast initiative and is looking to build a new website, but at the end of the day. Keystone, Baptist Bible and PBU look to be significant downgrades from the departing crowd. I think potential student athletes will have no choice but to look a little bit askance at the league which has some teams that will not be competitive.
I think Baptist Bible is the best of the incoming schools, and they along with PBU will probably slot in on top of Marywood and alongside a Centenary team that should be better.


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 07, 2008, 09:43:05 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 07, 2008, 06:00:28 PM
Truth be told, I have no idea if the new guy at Cabrini will be able to recruit there. it is a very expensive school-- not sure what the exact numbers are, but I know that it is more expensive than Eastern-- and while I think the education is probably pretty good, I'm not sure that the extra costs translate into extra value. It will be interesting to see if he can reopen some of the financial aid valves that seemed to squeeze shut near the close of Dzik's reign.

He seems like a nice guy, but the only way to judge a coach as a recruiter is either to be recruited by him or evaluate the level of talent that he brings to the team. I am not in position to make an assessment on that.

Really don't know how the commissioner will finish it. I know that the league is pretty aggressive with their webcast initiative and is looking to build a new website, but at the end of the day. Keystone, Baptist Bible and PBU look to be significant downgrades from the departing crowd. I think potential student athletes will have no choice but to look a little bit askance at the league which has some teams that will not be competitive.
I think Baptist Bible is the best of the incoming schools, and they along with PBU will probably slot in on top of Marywood and alongside a Centenary team that should be better.






Chairman,  thank you for your response.  Logical and realistic.  I was thinking what will happen next?  Eastern, Arcadia, Wesley, Alvernia, its pretty significant.   Seems to me Immaculata may be the saviour of the PAC since there will be no one left. 

With the quality of teams remaining in the PAC will the automatic bid for the conference be in jeopardy of being taken away?  Someone is going to have to lose it since the field is not expanding correct....Not trying to beat a dead horse but I must say Dzik's name always comes up somehow.

Please forgive me I know we all have moved on however it seems as though Dzik created the PAC and it will have come to a near demise with his departure unless some teams step up.  Do you see IMMAC, EU, and Cabrini as the dominating forces in the PAC within the near future after the realignment?   Basically, what you are saying if I interpret you correctly is that the PAC will be a conference where the teams fight to win a banner and never make it to the NCAA tournament because the schools are not strong enough as a result of a saturated area in addition to missions and presidents who may not see athletics as the academics are seen.  I know it is D3 after all yet the quality of play seems dilluted already in the conference except for the freshness of the MMacs. 

Performance of players and the emergence of superstars I guess could change the equation if a great one chooses a PAC school but why would they if they are small private and high dollar ??

The webcasts are a positive step as you mentioned.  I am getting saddened by all of this unless something turns this around.  I guess that is why there are 3 divisions though.



Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 07, 2008, 10:02:09 PM
WolfPAC,

The automatic NCAA bid is based on number of teams, not quality.   Under the current format, the PAC just needs seven teams to keep a bid.

Eastern won't be dominating the PAC - they are moving to the MAC in the fall.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 07, 2008, 10:04:25 PM
Ouch, what does it say about someone when the karma-meter is in the red as soon as the post goes live?

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 07, 2008, 11:06:45 PM
Just watched the Macs play tonight didnt see any other games via webcast... love the fact that the Macs have SOME breathing room? What happened to alvernia and is Coach H's strategy finally working @ Cabrini???


Congrats and thanks to Cabrini and GMC...  ;D
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 07, 2008, 11:39:49 PM
Anyone have details on the end of the Neumann/Immaculata game.  From the title on the Neumann site it looks like we could have had a buzzer-beater, but the last possessions are recounted in the story and there is no play-by-play posted.

HIdeUm, hook me up.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 08, 2008, 12:10:52 AM
Yea a buzzer beater could have been had but an air ball and a IU rebound sealed the deal...

Iu had the ball with under 1 min... put a shot up and got the "o" board after a timeout and nothing coming of the 2nd chance Neumann took the ball and called timeout... i think it was linton or fritz that got the inbound after the TO with under 10 secs it looked like a play break down... and he  threw up a shot looking for the foul but air balled... game over 63-62


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 08, 2008, 01:04:02 AM
What happened at the Cabrini game?  Nice win.  Coach GH looks like he really has something going. Maybe the playoffs will happen after a couple year drought.  Let's hope there is no let down on Saturday at Centenary.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 08, 2008, 04:52:34 AM
Hmmmm.... good thing my predictions were just predictions to the wind... didn't really do too well with them.

This does not add any clarity to the playoff picture...
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 08, 2008, 08:48:36 AM
The matrix is reloaded.  2008 PAC MB Matrix (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2008/2/6/2008%20MB%20Matrix.pdf)

Chairdude, tell me you're recruiting in Hawaii and that's why you posted at 4:52 a.m., or you got up for your morning jog and couldn't wait to post.

Uugh, what a night.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 08, 2008, 09:29:04 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 08, 2008, 01:04:02 AM
What happened at the Cabrini game?  Nice win.  Coach GH looks like he really has something going. Maybe the playoffs will happen after a couple year drought.  Let's hope there is no let down on Saturday at Centenary.

Mailsy,

Forgot to factor in the Glenn Washington factor and the defense Cabrini has been playing lately.  It was a nice solid win for the Cavs.  Seemed like they are just battling very hard and working hard on defense.  Cannot wait for the EU game down the stretch especially if EU drops 2 or 3 before they play the Cavs.  Getting interesting.   

You are right when you say the Cavs cannot become too complacent at Centenary.   Every game counts now and Neuman on Monday at the Dixon center (doubleheader) should be a war if the Cavs continue to play the way they seem to be capable of playing recently.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 08, 2008, 09:35:20 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 07, 2008, 10:02:09 PM
WolfPAC,

The automatic NCAA bid is based on number of teams, not quality.   Under the current format, the PAC just needs seven teams to keep a bid.

Eastern won't be dominating the PAC - they are moving to the MAC in the fall.




Lefty, I am assuming with EU, Arcadia, Alvernia, Misery departing the PAC will still have seven teams.  If you know for sure who the 7 are please let me know.   

Did everyone see the PAC website about the survey to change the name?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 08, 2008, 09:40:58 AM
WolfPAC,

Arcadia already left, so they don't count.

Nine (9) current teams minus (-) three (3) outgoing, plus (+) three (3) incoming still equals (=) nine (9) which is greater than (>) seven (7).
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 08, 2008, 09:49:34 AM
Still giddy from the Lady Eagles rousing win in Baltimore.

The New PAC will include Baptist Bible, Phialdelphia Biblical, Keystone, Centenary, Neumann, GMC, Cabrini, Neumann, Rosemont, Cedar Crest, Marywood, and Immaculata. Is there a name change coming?

The only thing we know is what we know. Marywood and Centenary are Mathematically eliminated. Seven win is not in. Every time Alvernia drops a game to one of the mid-packers, they become closer to becoming a midpacker and the magic number goes up. It does look like Immaculata has put the space in to have some breathing room. They probably need to rest a whole bunch of people Monday night. It seems as though Immaculata is developing a gift for winning the close one.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 08, 2008, 09:55:55 AM
Nice math lefty. Don't be squeamish about predicting the growth of the conference through coeducalization of the Rosemont, Cedar Crest, and Notre Dame.
It could happen. Rosemont is on the ropes and IMO will need to add men. I cannot see them adding men without athletics, and my impression is that the PAC will have to take whatever teams they sponsor, which will be basketball, tennis, soccer, and then others. Is there a by-law on this? Immaculata did this, and did it well, but Immaculata was a much healthier institution at the time (not necessarily a good athletic department).

Did I mention the Lady Eagles won in Baltimore last night.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 08, 2008, 10:40:53 AM
Historically, as institutions have added varsity sports, they have been granted PAC membership as long as it is a PAC sponsored sport.

Immaculata obviously has some type of magic formula for starting a men's basketball program.

How many men's sports do they have?  I'm not sure the formula has been applied to all sports.

As for men at Rosemont, Cedar Crest and Notre Dame - I wouldn't bet against it.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on February 08, 2008, 11:36:25 AM
Chairman - what would you call it?  The Dregs Conference?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2008, 11:41:12 AM
The conference would have a two-year grace period to come up with a seventh team should it fall below the seven-team threshold.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 08, 2008, 01:45:36 PM
Quote from: Coach C on February 08, 2008, 11:36:25 AM
Chairman - what would you call it?  The Dregs Conference?

I could  not resist, I do not speak for Chairman but I must chime in....

Why not call it the Pennsylvania WolfPAC conference or the JDzik conference.  (just kidding)

How about the  " Little 7"
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 08, 2008, 01:54:32 PM
I like the PAC it just sounds good. As for my predictions lets just say i was $$$. Anyway... Sorry for gettin off track...


I thought the PAC was going to disolve personally. I thought that they would have to step up and move to a conference like the MAC even though the MAC is almost bustting at the seams. I honestly do not know how to read the Matrix HOWEVER i like the fact that i can see who plays who when instead of scrolling down d3hoops...

I just took the survey and i am not creative so i couldnt really make up a new conference name... But i think it should root itself in the History of the 3 states...

Jon was that a vivid enought description of the game last night for ya???
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 08, 2008, 02:06:27 PM
That will work for me.  In such a close game I was hoping for a bit more play-by-play to be available on the web, but I'll settle for your last minute recap.

I'm sure we appreciate the Macs putting a little anger in the hearts of the Griffins and the Knights before we come to town.  Hopefully we don't forget to unpack our shooting touch for tomorrow's visit.

I can understand a little confusion in reading the bottom portion of the matrix I suppose.  It's basically you look at teams listed across the page and read down their column to see their record against teams listed on the left side.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 08, 2008, 05:08:15 PM
I'm not in a position to offer an opinion on the new name of the conference.... (not sure where to put the modifier there whether it is a new name for the conference or a name for the new conference.) Either way, the league is going to have to do something to avoid being the new-NEAC "stay classy." The re-branding idea is probably a good one. But I don't know that the web survey will prove overly helpful.

Congrats to Neumann SID Leigh Martini on the new baby boy.

Enjoy your weekend all.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Chris Panter, GMC SID on February 08, 2008, 05:52:22 PM
anybody else care to throw some names out for the conference?

Since Pioneer, Gateway and even Horizon are taken, I can't think of much....something along those lines would make sense.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 08, 2008, 06:26:10 PM
I have not filled out the online survey, but I suppose I'll weigh in with this.

You gotta find a way to come up with a conference name that won't be confused with another local conference.  Get away from the President's Athletic Conference (PAC), etc.

Just about all conferences have a geographical reference of some sort in it, so you have to come up with you all-encompassing descriptor.  Mid-Atlantic is overplayed, so get creative.  It's not just one state, so don't get stuck there again.

Figure you've got three, maybe four words to get it done.  Do you take "Athletic" out out of the picture?  As these conferences are put together you always hear about "like" or "common" schools.  These aren't athletic comparisons.  Some of them may be about the abilities to attract student-athletes, but the comparisons are typically based in academics.  I think it sounds a little goofy to call yourself the Pennsylvania Academic Conference, but taking the "Athletic" out may be a more apt description.  Especially in Division III (that one's for you Wolfy)

This could be an exciting time for the conference.  I realize a name change is only that, but it could be the start of a new attitude.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 08, 2008, 06:42:12 PM
I'm not creative enough to come up with a new name either, but you can't tie yourself to a state/states.

The late Arnie Garinger, long-time golf coach at Misericordia, wondered how a team from Delaware (Wesley) could win the golf championship in the Pennsylvania Athletic Conference?




Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 08, 2008, 07:42:46 PM
Quote from: Jon on February 08, 2008, 06:26:10 PM
I have not filled out the online survey, but I suppose I'll weigh in with this.

You gotta find a way to come up with a conference name that won't be confused with another local conference.  Get away from the President's Athletic Conference (PAC), etc.

Just about all conferences have a geographical reference of some sort in it, so you have to come up with you all-encompassing descriptor.  Mid-Atlantic is overplayed, so get creative.  It's not just one state, so don't get stuck there again.

Figure you've got three, maybe four words to get it done.  Do you take "Athletic" out out of the picture?  As these conferences are put together you always hear about "like" or "common" schools.  These aren't athletic comparisons.  Some of them may be about the abilities to attract student-athletes, but the comparisons are typically based in academics.  I think it sounds a little goofy to call yourself the Pennsylvania Academic Conference, but taking the "Athletic" out may be a more apt description.  Especially in Division III (that one's for you Wolfy)

This could be an exciting time for the conference.  I realize a name change is only that, but it could be the start of a new attitude.



Jon,  I could not agree with you anymore.  This is a unique opportunity to shape the attitude especially with the new teams coming and the old teams going. 

I came up with something but don't know what all you folks out there think about it.  I did not want to sound ridiculous but here it is.........


The  American Small College Conference  (ASCC) or   

The Atlantic Small College Conference.

Feel free to comment or critique anyone if it makes sense or not.  Just trying to help all of us.     What other thing about our area is truly representative of the schools.   

How about the ...

  Four Seasons Athletic Conference ! !  (FSAC) If anyone uses these please just remember at least where it originated.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2008, 08:37:18 PM
There are only three seasons of college sports. :)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 08, 2008, 09:08:31 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2008, 08:37:18 PM
There are only three seasons of college sports. :)

Thats my point.  Up here we are passionate more than anywhere else in the country!  Especially around the Philly area.   We play, practice, and immersed in our sports all year round despite the boundaries of the school calender.   

Our schools have intramurals, summer league basketball, tennis etc all the time at least at Cabrini.    Even the lacrosse team has informal practices for those who want to be there and summer camps.   Point is we do it in all four seasons.   We eat it, live it, and breath it at Cabrini anyway.  In addition to the Philadelphia area with the local talk shows and our football teams the passion is definitely all year round with due respect.     

OK  Pat you win!  There are only 3 seasons but not around here.   
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: old ends on February 08, 2008, 09:38:40 PM
I think coming up with a new name is going to be tough. The only thing I could think of real quick was Tri State.
All of the schools have strong academics with  some having a religious base to them. I do not think a name like Crusader Conference would fly either. The founding dates for some of the schools go back to mid 1800's to Mid 1900's so the Century Conference could fit.

One school seems to take for ever to get to, Keystone, and the one's in the Philadelphia area are close, but depending on the Schuylkill( 76 ) and Blue Route ( 495 ) it too could seem forever.

Again, tough one to pull a name out.  Wolfpac's American Small College Conference sure does fit the bill. The Atlantic one also sounds good, but the other is the better.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 08, 2008, 10:55:57 PM
If you want to name a conference based on geography.  What about the Mason Dixon Line Athletic Conference(MDLAC)?  There are teams on both sides of the line and you can add teams from any state in the local region(MD, NJ, DE & PA).  Just a thought.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 08, 2008, 11:16:35 PM
Teams? I was under the impression the Mason-Dixon Line was the Northern border of MD. Seems like there is just one team below that line, and they only compete on the women's side of things. You could through Shen in for MLAX, but I think that is not likely to last and would therefore be ill-advised as a rationale for a name.

I like "small college" in the name. The PAC schools should  try to brand themselves as places that are dramatically different from the Rowan's, Stockton's and West Chester's of the world, and that would seem to do something.

I wanted to bring up, in case I forgot to earlier, that the Eastern women won last night at Notre Dame....
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 08, 2008, 11:22:03 PM
Just looked at the new matrix.... I should have taken the blue pill. What a mess.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2008, 03:12:10 AM
Quote from: WolfPAC on February 08, 2008, 09:08:31 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2008, 08:37:18 PM
There are only three seasons of college sports. :)

Thats my point.  Up here we are passionate more than anywhere else in the country!  Especially around the Philly area.   We play, practice, and immersed in our sports all year round despite the boundaries of the school calender.   

And the rules of the NCAA? :)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2008, 03:13:54 AM
Perhaps it's time to revive the Eastern States Athletic Conference name?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 09, 2008, 08:04:50 AM
Chair,

My recommendation would be to avoid the pills at all cost.

That Cabrini/Neumann match-up on Monday gets bigger all the time.  Does GMC stroll confidently into Alumnae Hall today?  I gotta tab that one and Vern @ Neumann as co-games of the week as road winners within the last week turn around to host.  The PAC's version of the Home & Home.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 09, 2008, 08:19:28 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2008, 03:13:54 AM
Perhaps it's time to revive the Eastern States Athletic Conference name?


I hear you Pat.   ESAC again ? ? or EPAC...  just the little NIT's...

Maybe Cabrini can just join the NAIA again and bring Dzik back to give out more money for athletics and academics and forget about  the 4,321 different compliance laws in the D3 cookbook.  Why don't you run for president of Cabrini and hire a strong AD with committment to athletics?

Cabrini played schools in the KC and Iowa days of the District 19 championships in the NAIA with the names of XAVIER & COPPIN ST. and actually beat them even though they were not D1 schools back then.  This is what put Cabrini on the map.  I like your comments.
So...if Cabrini, Immaculata, or GMC decide to leave the PAC or Noname conference then what ? ?

Glorified intramurals.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 09, 2008, 08:41:28 AM
Jon,

The Cavs fans are hoping for the Vern to pull this out.  Don't let us down.
Hard to play in that box though.   Go coach Miller.  Too bad this game was not at the Vern.

Jon, any predictions, any injury updates or news effecting the outcomes?
If the Vern throws some crazy defense at the Knights and shoots well they should have no problems.  (slow them down)

Would be nice to see the Cavs play at the Vern again this year. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2008, 08:53:19 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2008, 03:13:54 AM
Perhaps it's time to revive the Eastern States Athletic Conference name?
Well, I learned something with that one.

I googled it and found 23 references with a bunch of familiar faces.  Imagine the images that name conjures with the ongoing D-III/D-IV discussions.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 09, 2008, 10:49:57 AM
It might be tough to get a game as an NAIA school in PA.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 09, 2008, 05:22:33 PM
Jon,

Looks like the Vern came through with good zone defense and slowing down the tempo on the Knights.   King failed out and I thought there was an upset in the making. Seemed like they took away the inside game and the 3's did not cut it despite Patrick.

The Cavs squeaked it out to be in a good position for Monday.  It should be a war.  I hope Herenda has a good game plan.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 09, 2008, 06:18:03 PM
The ESAC?  Would they have to admit Frostburg State?

How about the New-Pen League?  They could get Bic as a major corporate sponsor and move the conference offices to the Keystone campus in LaPlume.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 09, 2008, 06:35:29 PM
Things are tightening up in the PAC.  Good win for GMC over IU.  Cavs win a little shaky.  But still a win.  Monday could be make or break for some teams.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 09, 2008, 07:24:33 PM
Get this. A sweep at 1300 Eagle Road. Women hold on for a 3 point win (first two-game winning streak in four years) and the men give up a late free throw to let Marywood within 40.

The Pacers have slid pretty hard since "making" the playoffs four years ago. Their big kid went for 23 and 11, but they will either need the league to come back to them to even get to .500.

Fourteen different Eastern players scored on a really nice senior day.

The matrix closes in further with Gwynedd finishing dinner this afternoon.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 09, 2008, 11:33:20 PM
Got home from a matinée showing of There Will Be Blood in time to catch the last 5-plus minutes of regulation and the overtime period from Aston.

Two nights ago I was salty at the men's team for dulling the glow of our women's team earning win #350 overall and #200 in the PAC for Coach Calabria with a win at GMC.  Couldn't have scripted a better way to do it than in the greatest women's rivalry in the conference. 

By the time I finished and posted that story I had toned it down about 10 degrees.  When Hitchens hit the 3 to tie on Saturday I could feel the blood beginning to boil again.

I was in the midst of family at Mom in laws, so screaming was out of the question.  I wasn't sure why our defense left a shooter (Hitchens) to double on a post player who had the ball at 15 feet in a 3-point game with under 20 seconds.  Even if the big dude hits the J, you're still up one and about to get fouled.  AHHHH.

Then the camera stopped panning as Washington left the frame for a potential game-tying layup.  All I could do was read the fans, and judging by their reaction it wasn't good for the guests.  Charge.  Wipe off the bucket.  Overtime.

Fortunately the Crusaders jumped out to a 10-point lead in overtime and held on the avenge last Saturday's home loss.

Glad we could help the Cavs today.  You're on your own on Monday.

2008 PAC MB Matrix (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2008/2/6/2008%20MB%20Matrix.pdf)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 10, 2008, 09:28:15 AM
Quote from: Jon on February 09, 2008, 11:33:20 PM
Got home from a matinée showing of There Will Be Blood in time to catch the last 5-plus minutes of regulation and the overtime period from Aston.

Two nights ago I was salty at the men's team for dulling the glow of our women's team earning win #350 overall and #200 in the PAC for Coach Calabria with a win at GMC.  Couldn't have scripted a better way to do it than in the greatest women's rivalry in the conference. 

By the time I finished and posted that story I had toned it down about 10 degrees.  When Hitchens hit the 3 to tie on Saturday I could feel the blood beginning to boil again.

I was in the midst of family at Mom in laws, so screaming was out of the question.  I wasn't sure why our defense left a shooter (Hitchens) to double on a post player who had the ball at 15 feet in a 3-point game with under 20 seconds.  Even if the big dude hits the J, you're still up one and about to get fouled.  AHHHH.

Then the camera stopped panning as Washington left the frame for a potential game-tying layup.  All I could do was read the fans, and judging by their reaction it wasn't good for the guests.  Charge.  Wipe off the bucket.  Overtime.

Fortunately the Crusaders jumped out to a 10-point lead in overtime and held on the avenge last Saturday's home loss.

Glad we could help the Cavs today.  You're on your own on Monday.

2008 PAC MB Matrix (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2008/2/6/2008%20MB%20Matrix.pdf)


Jon,  you could not have described the feeling any better.  Monday should be an interesting evening for most everyone regarding moving the needle.

The matrix.....thanks again!   The Cavs may need your help against EU depending on how the matrix pans out.  It would be ironic if the Vern helped the Cavs out then met them in the playoffs only to drop the game because of some crazy situation but I don't think that will happen.  Seems like it all comes out in the wash somehow.     I am sure Cavs fans are just hoping to get into the playoffs after the past 2 years.   (karma for the Vern)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 10, 2008, 12:02:28 PM
Okay sportsfans, I had a little extra time today so I did some format changes to the Matrix.  I tried to make it more readable.

Wins are now highlighted in yellow and losses in gray.  HOME GAMES are all caps and bold while road games are preceded by the @ symbol.  I moved games left down to the standings table and spaced things out a bit more.

2008 PAC MB Matrix (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2008/2/6/2008%20MB%20Matrix.pdf)
Title: Judgement Week
Post by: Jon on February 10, 2008, 12:09:38 PM
Too bad we're not up to high definition webcasting via satellite yet.  Monday would be a great day for fans to put their feet up in front of a big screen and have all three games accessible via picture in picture in picture.

Misericordia @ Alvernia
Immaculata @ Eastern
Neumann @ Cabrini

Implications abound.  We're looking at a few staunch road tests for the Macs and the Eagles to close the season as well.  I'm saying we'll had a lot of effort over the past week solve nothing.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2008, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 09, 2008, 06:18:03 PM
How about the New-Pen League?  They could get Bic as a major corporate sponsor and move the conference offices to the Keystone campus in LaPlume.

This obviously has no chance of happening but I wanted to post that I got a big laugh out of it. :)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 10, 2008, 05:02:15 PM
Thanks Pat.

The best part is that Keystone really is located in LaPlume.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 10, 2008, 05:15:38 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 10, 2008, 05:02:15 PM
Thanks Pat.

The best part is that Keystone really is located in LaPlume.

Is LaPlume as much of a Pennsylvania paradise as is Annville?  ;)  {Kindly advise ....}
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 10, 2008, 06:25:28 PM
Glad somebody can make a joke out of it ! !

What a joke this conference is becoming.... the schools leaving have the right idea.  Guess this is the last year of a PAC team having a shot at advancing in a round of the NCAA tourney.

None of them can even think about getting past Widener.  Especially with another Cabrini grad and former player coaching the team to a 17-4 record so far.   What a joke this will be.... enjoy Jon's matrix while it lasts and the PAC and the name officially ends.   What a shame.

Going down down down................. birds of a feather flock together.
Time to become INDEPENDENT
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 10, 2008, 06:31:32 PM
NO  senior members, I know its not the head coach so don't correct me.  It is someone who actually recruits for them and all over the country so they rank as a national program.   Seems the PAC or whatever it will be is losing ground fast and falling behind.

Why would anyone want to go to the new noname conference and play athletics with the price of the schools if they were not getting academic priorities as a consideration.   Is this how they pull the plug on a conference that is weak or what??

Can't anyone see the writing on the wall ? 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 10, 2008, 08:28:20 PM
Wouldn't give Widener too much credit to this point. They cruised through a soft non-conference schedule and are taking it on the chin a bit in the Commonwealth.

I think Independent is not a good way to go either... Lincoln chose to go DII rather than hang out in the nether world of independent DIII hoops.

PAC teams will be able to schedule aggressively out of conference if they want to.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 10, 2008, 08:39:03 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 10, 2008, 08:28:20 PM
Wouldn't give Widener too much credit to this point. They cruised through a soft non-conference schedule and are taking it on the chin a bit in the Commonwealth.

I think Independent is not a good way to go either... Lincoln chose to go DII rather than hang out in the nether world of independent DIII hoops.

PAC teams will be able to schedule aggressively out of conference if they want to.

Chairman,

If a Pac team schedules aggressively out of the conference, are there not rules or compliance in place regarding how many times they must play the conference teams.   Can they only play them once and play better teams?  How do they win their conference if the conference records count?

If a team plays better teams overall and has a better record overall but finished with a lower conference record and missed playoffs because it did not play enough conference opponents what happens?   Please forgive me if I do not read you clearly.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 10, 2008, 09:11:26 PM
Only 16 Conference games required. You have to play them. But a team that wants to reach a national level recruiting-wise can twist that on it's head a little bit by scheduling nine games against top-level national competition. No at-large bids for PAC teams anyways, so stop scheduling Penn State-Berks and Lancaster Bible and try to do battle with the big boys. You will take a few more losses, but you might also be ready to play inthe NCAA Tournament if and when you win the PAC.

You do have to play the 16 League games... What you choose to do with the others is up to you.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 10, 2008, 09:41:17 PM
WolfMaster,

Sometimes it seems as though you fell outta the crazy tree right before a posting tirade.  I would certainly agree with the chair on your proposed Independent path.  That's going to be a tougher way to get in than winning the Conference Formerly Known as the PAC for the foreseeable future.

As far as winning NCAA Tournament games, even Billy Donovan admitted that's as much about match-ups as anything else.  Maybe you get a bunny in the "2-3" game at a four-team, first-round site and find momentum to beat the host.  It's a single elimination tournament.  You don't necessarily have to be the best team on the floor that night, you just have to have more points when the clock runs out [see: New York Football Giants].

I'm also on board with the tough non-conference schedule.  You're obviously not going to hit the road to play Amherst, Rochester, Hope, and Augustana, but start making calls to in-region teams that are perennial playoff teams in their own conferences.

If you're afraid of the conference becoming so weak, start to win it every year.  Yearly NCAA Tournament games should be enticing to recruits.  Then, once you separate yourself from the other conference teams, stack yourself up against the other teams in the region.

That's my plan in a nutshell...I facetiously submit that as my initial interview for any coaching vacancies.

Did I mention how big Monday night is in PAC hoops?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 10, 2008, 11:06:36 PM
Well said Jon... In another 18 posts or so I will applaud such lucidity.

Big night on Eagle Rd. Monday. Four teams within 500 yards of each other for two games with playoff implications.

Did I mention Eastern swept a doubleheader on Saturday. That hasn't happened in quite some time.

Also, I am putting a call out for Booker. If you are out there, please check in.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 11, 2008, 09:36:38 AM
Quote from: Jon on February 10, 2008, 09:41:17 PM
WolfMaster,

Sometimes it seems as though you fell outta the crazy tree right before a posting tirade.  I would certainly agree with the chair on your proposed Independent path.  That's going to be a tougher way to get in than winning the Conference Formerly Known as the PAC for the foreseeable future.

As far as winning NCAA Tournament games, even Billy Donovan admitted that's as much about match-ups as anything else.  Maybe you get a bunny in the "2-3" game at a four-team, first-round site and find momentum to beat the host.  It's a single elimination tournament.  You don't necessarily have to be the best team on the floor that night, you just have to have more points when the clock runs out [see: New York Football Giants].

I'm also on board with the tough non-conference schedule.  You're obviously not going to hit the road to play Amherst, Rochester, Hope, and Augustana, but start making calls to in-region teams that are perennial playoff teams in their own conferences.

If you're afraid of the conference becoming so weak, start to win it every year.  Yearly NCAA Tournament games should be enticing to recruits.  Then, once you separate yourself from the other conference teams, stack yourself up against the other teams in the region.

That's my plan in a nutshell...I facetiously submit that as my initial interview for any coaching vacancies.

Did I mention how big Monday night is in PAC hoops?


Jon & Chair,

Thank you,  I always thought it worked that way but with the future of diminishing quality teams playing in the PAC the way I read Chairs post I thought because the conference was not strong enough they some way allowed a better team to schedule more out of conference and still win the conference without playing a certain number of games.

Guys thanks for bearing with me.  Jon your formula is logical, lucid, and the
normal procedure of a good coach.   Bottom line is a team that is good in a weak conference can separate itself to get in the tourney.   I was also a little disgruntled at the big guys last night when I posted and was not happy with my choice of dinner last night as well so please understand.

TONIGHT is the night to move the meter.

Anybody predictions on the Cavs game ......  Hope there is a full house and a nice battle not a blow out by the Knights.  Depends on how defense and tempo play out  which we all heard before.    I think the first time the Cavs played Neumann they were more green and had no identity.  Now it could be a different story.  Seemed the Cavs played well enough to beat the Knights but could not shoot fouls.  They had them confused on defense with a zone and man-man switch in transitions.   Guess it will be live and die by the 3 for one of the teams.

If the Cavs win they could still lose to Misery or EU so anything is possible for getting in.  Jon, will be curious to see the new matrix after tonight.  I was kind of hoping the Vern wins the conference in their last year to be honest unless of course the Cavs were facing them.

The lady Knights are in second place as well behing the lady Cavs which should be somewhat of a good game.  Hope I get to the game and see both of them.  If anyone else is there including Mailsy I hope to see you. Depends on work for me.    I was outside inspecting a job at 6:45 am and man was it cold!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 11, 2008, 10:28:04 AM
ill root 4 the cavs tonight even tho that game is irrelevent to the MACS at THIS point in time... i think it is  good for the MACS that GMC plays the bottom 2 teams cause i dont know if the Macs want to see them till at least the final. I want alvernia to win... yes this is a hard thing to say... but the more loses Miseri has the better the chances... Right?Good thing for the MACS is they are in control and a solid outcome this week can seal 1st if im not mistaken... lets not count our chickens before they hatch tho... LETS GO CAVS AND CRUSDAERS!!!! why not???
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 11, 2008, 01:55:46 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on February 11, 2008, 09:36:38 AM
Quote from: Jon on February 10, 2008, 09:41:17 PM
WolfMaster,

Sometimes it seems as though you fell outta the crazy tree right before a posting tirade.  I would certainly agree with the chair on your proposed Independent path.  That's going to be a tougher way to get in than winning the Conference Formerly Known as the PAC for the foreseeable future.

As far as winning NCAA Tournament games, even Billy Donovan admitted that's as much about match-ups as anything else.  Maybe you get a bunny in the "2-3" game at a four-team, first-round site and find momentum to beat the host.  It's a single elimination tournament.  You don't necessarily have to be the best team on the floor that night, you just have to have more points when the clock runs out [see: New York Football Giants].

I'm also on board with the tough non-conference schedule.  You're obviously not going to hit the road to play Amherst, Rochester, Hope, and Augustana, but start making calls to in-region teams that are perennial playoff teams in their own conferences.

If you're afraid of the conference becoming so weak, start to win it every year.  Yearly NCAA Tournament games should be enticing to recruits.  Then, once you separate yourself from the other conference teams, stack yourself up against the other teams in the region.

That's my plan in a nutshell...I facetiously submit that as my initial interview for any coaching vacancies.

Did I mention how big Monday night is in PAC hoops?


Jon & Chair,

Thank you,  I always thought it worked that way but with the future of diminishing quality teams playing in the PAC the way I read Chairs post I thought because the conference was not strong enough they some way allowed a better team to schedule more out of conference and still win the conference without playing a certain number of games.

Guys thanks for bearing with me.  Jon your formula is logical, lucid, and the
normal procedure of a good coach.   Bottom line is a team that is good in a weak conference can separate itself to get in the tourney.   I was also a little disgruntled at the big guys last night when I posted and was not happy with my choice of dinner last night as well so please understand.

TONIGHT is the night to move the meter.

Anybody predictions on the Cavs game ......  Hope there is a full house and a nice battle not a blow out by the Knights.  Depends on how defense and tempo play out  which we all heard before.    I think the first time the Cavs played Neumann they were more green and had no identity.  Now it could be a different story.  Seemed the Cavs played well enough to beat the Knights but could not shoot fouls.  They had them confused on defense with a zone and man-man switch in transitions.   Guess it will be live and die by the 3 for one of the teams.

If the Cavs win they could still lose to Misery or EU so anything is possible for getting in.  Jon, will be curious to see the new matrix after tonight.  I was kind of hoping the Vern wins the conference in their last year to be honest unless of course the Cavs were facing them.

The lady Knights are in second place as well behing the lady Cavs which should be somewhat of a good game.  Hope I get to the game and see both of them.  If anyone else is there including Mailsy I hope to see you. Depends on work for me.    I was outside inspecting a job at 6:45 am and man was it cold!


WolfPAC,

I should be at the game if my appointment gets done early.  I won't be there for the start of the game.  But should be there no later than the start of the second.  Hopefully clients will be very cooperative and I'll be done earlier, if not I might miss the whole game.  Go Cavs!!
Title: D3hoops.com All-Decade
Post by: lefty2 on February 11, 2008, 04:07:24 PM
The PAC got some recognition on the d3hoops.com All-Decade with Misericordia's Willie Chandler being named to the third team.

It's on the front page - here's the link:  http://www.d3hoops.com/all-american/men-alldecade.html
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on February 11, 2008, 10:02:14 PM
Alvernia gets a big win  against Miseri.Looks like  the mighty macs are going to lose against the eagles. That means the vern and the macs will be tied for first place.If both teams would win against each other, and still be tied for first place, what would be the tie breaker?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 11, 2008, 11:07:04 PM
The Matrix continues to crumble before our eyes... Though Neumann looks to be in some trouble, they are helped by a pair of games against the non-combatants in this whole thing. Centenary has the wherewithal to be dangerous. I don't think Marywood does.

The Eagles helped themselves out enormously with a stellar effort in the second half. Leegwater and Miller both scored 20.
Mike Johnson showed up with two enormous offensive rebounds to keep possessions alive in the second half. Flanagan was solid, but saw limited minutes due to match-up problems. Both teams shot over 60% in the second half that saw almost every shot contested.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 11, 2008, 11:39:43 PM
Chatters,

2008 MB Matrix (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2008/2/6/2008%20MB%20Matrix.pdf) is updated.

Good win for the Crusaders tonight.  Shawell was big in a stretch in the second half and King hit a big 3 as well.  Cougars put a scare in the home crowd with a couple 3s in the final few minutes.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 11, 2008, 11:43:12 PM
Chair,

The Matrix never crumbles.  I hope to add the tiebreaker procedures tomorrow if I can find some time.

Congratulations to Willie Chandler and Misericordia on the all-decade honor.  I'm sure our coaches don't mind not having to prepare for the best shooter the PEC has ever seen.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 12, 2008, 01:09:31 AM
Jon, I don't want to keep you from saying the tie-breaker procedures, so please do.  However, I tried to go through who could finish where and it was real tough.  While it looks like Immac and Alvernia are 1-2, there are others who can find their way into the 2 and maybe even 1 spot.  I think we should wait to see what happens after everyone gets another game in.  With 2 games left, it should (and I emphasize SHOULD) be easier to predict or understand.  Especially with your tie-breaker explanation to come, Jon.

Wow, tough game for EU/Macs tonight.  Maybe sometime this season EU will make some FT's.  I bet Coach Nadelhoffer's heart doctor is making some extra money this week.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 12, 2008, 02:06:15 AM
I think there are some things that look fairly predictable and some things that are absolutely mystifying... Most of them involve Cabrini, Eastern, and Neumann...
Cabrini scrapes by Centenary on Saturday and throttles Neumann tonight. Neumann looks nearly unbeatable at home against Eastern one week ago, and proceeds to look unable to beat an egg with a mixer and three free outlets. Patrick goes for zero points and five turnovers-- to make matters worse, I am trying to imagine who on Cabrini could have been guarding him. I'd love to know whether it was good defense or disinterest that kept him off the board.
The Eagles went from losing a brutal non-conference game against VFCC last week to downing the Macs tonight in a game with Leegwater and Miller as the standouts.
Chiz... you working on some kind of potential employment matrix? Still waiting to hear from booker.....
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 12, 2008, 10:31:04 AM
Chiz,

I have no intention of applying the procedures at this point.  I just wrote in the procedures so people could look at them while studying the standings and remaining schedules.  Here's the updated version.

2008 PAC MB Matrix (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2008/2/6/2008%20MB%20Matrix.pdf)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 12, 2008, 11:03:32 AM
Interesting.  What does one do with the time?  Close the office door and pretend to be working on the school's website.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 12, 2008, 12:49:59 PM
Can anyone explain why the PAC regular season ends on a Thursday instead of on a Wednesday?

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 12, 2008, 01:19:29 PM
Anyone making the trek up across the wild frozen tundra to Dallas Pa like the old days for Saturday's game.  Almost as if the Cavs deserve it from their fans since they have been working their magic. 



Should we all start a new board for the American Small College Conference next year or what?

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 12, 2008, 02:02:24 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on February 12, 2008, 01:19:29 PM
Anyone making the trek up across the wild frozen tundra to Dallas Pa like the old days for Saturday's game.  Almost as if the Cavs deserve it from their fans since they have been working their magic. 



Should we all start a new board for the American Small College Conference next year or what?



So WolfPAC what are you going to change your name to "WolfASCC"?  Fun game last night.  You should have been there.  Have fun on Saturday.  Enjoy the roadtrip.  Go Cavs!!!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: WolfPAC on February 12, 2008, 04:09:11 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 12, 2008, 02:02:24 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on February 12, 2008, 01:19:29 PM
Anyone making the trek up across the wild frozen tundra to Dallas Pa like the old days for Saturday's game.  Almost as if the Cavs deserve it from their fans since they have been working their magic. 



Should we all start a new board for the American Small College Conference next year or what?



So WolfPAC what are you going to change your name to "WolfASCC"?  Fun game last night.  You should have been there.  Have fun on Saturday.  Enjoy the roadtrip.  Go Cavs!!!


Mailsy, it certainly was a surprisingly easy win for the Cavs last night.
You bring up an excellent point.   I do believe I will have to change my name for the new season.  Perhaps I will just use something with a little Cabrini flair to it.     Like Superfan or something on that line.   Do not know for sure about the road trip.    Right now I smell like I have been camping.  The smoke at the job site is pernicious.  I am sick to my stomach and my eyes and throat are burning.  Can't wait until summer.

Hope we get to play Jon and the Vern or better yet if we get a home playoff game in some crazy way.  You have been right so far in your predictions.   Hope you see something good in your crystal ball regarding the playoffs for Cabrini.    If Herenda is recruiting those tall guys we saw we may have a nice future ahead.   

I may just change my name now to Superfan and get it over with.  Hey Chiz where you hiding ? ?   It is too quiet without you.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 12, 2008, 04:15:57 PM
Wolf, not hiding, just hoping my silence, or decreased chatter, will not jinx my Eagles the next three games.  Big win last night for both the Cavs AND Eagles.  Was thinking that it would be nice next year to not have to play the Macs twice in basically a week and at end of season, but remembered that we will not even be in the PAC.  Haven't seen the conference schedule for next year yet.  Do know that we aren't going to Hawaii again.  Too bad.  I really enjoyed the weather, the sand, and seeing Allison in a string bikini.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 12, 2008, 04:26:55 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on February 12, 2008, 04:09:11 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 12, 2008, 02:02:24 PM
Quote from: WolfPAC on February 12, 2008, 01:19:29 PM
Anyone making the trek up across the wild frozen tundra to Dallas Pa like the old days for Saturday's game.  Almost as if the Cavs deserve it from their fans since they have been working their magic. 



Should we all start a new board for the American Small College Conference next year or what?



So WolfPAC what are you going to change your name to "WolfASCC"?  Fun game last night.  You should have been there.  Have fun on Saturday.  Enjoy the roadtrip.  Go Cavs!!!


Mailsy, it certainly was a surprisingly easy win for the Cavs last night.
You bring up an excellent point.   I do believe I will have to change my name for the new season.  Perhaps I will just use something with a little Cabrini flair to it.     Like Superfan or something on that line.   Do not know for sure about the road trip.    Right now I smell like I have been camping.  The smoke at the job site is pernicious.  I am sick to my stomach and my eyes and throat are burning.  Can't wait until summer.

Hope we get to play Jon and the Vern or better yet if we get a home playoff game in some crazy way.  You have been right so far in your predictions.   Hope you see something good in your crystal ball regarding the playoffs for Cabrini.    If Herenda is recruiting those tall guys we saw we may have a nice future ahead.  

I may just change my name now to Superfan and get it over with.  Hey Chiz where you hiding ? ?   It is too quiet without you.


WolfPAC,

Crystal ball looks fuzzy for this weekend.  But Cavs have been surprising on both wins AND losses this year.  Hard to predict which team will come out.  The one last night where they led the whole game and finished off Neumann in the second half or the one who let the game get away from them in the GMC game.  I'm keeping a positive outlook for Saturday.  Just putting it out there, just like I did for the Macs game on alumni day.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 12, 2008, 06:11:17 PM
I think Jon does a heck of a job on the web site. Speaking of which... it sounds like the PAC is going to go with a new website here soon. New name, new site... bang-up playoff race... what's not to love?

Seriously though, nine wins puts you in the playoffs for sure.

It appears that Eastern gets in if Immaculata beats Alvernia. If the Crusaders defend home court, then the Eagles will need to earn at least one of three on the road. Neumann gets in only if Misericordia loses out, or if Eastern or Cabrini loses out and Alvernia wins. Neumann still has to win at Centenary-- which by transitive property of victory is not the sure thing it looked to be prior to last night's bad knight. [sic]

Thursday night is a big one for sure.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 12, 2008, 09:11:36 PM
Funny how each new night does nothing to solve anything and each new night has crazy playoff implications. 

Chair, thanks for spelling things out a bit for the future.

Golf practice starts in the gym on Thursday.  Days are getting longer in more ways than one.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 12, 2008, 10:26:58 PM
Can't beat golfing in the gym.... There is a long story about hitting a two iron in thirty-five degree weather, but no one carries a two-iron anymore. Nasty roads tonight. Really good game at EU last night. Would love to see the same Eastern team show up on Saturday. Reading, however, has not really been a comfortable place for the Eastern boys over the years (that is, as it is described in the business, negative understatement.).

If the game winds up with fifty or sixty fouls called, it will be to Eastern's advantage. (Even though they don't shoot that well from the foul line, I think they can absorb foul trouble better than Alvernia.)

Major debate about whether to travel to Reading or sneak into Villanova's back yard for a PAC South Women's battle Thursday night.

Any Booker sightings as of late?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 13, 2008, 08:28:35 AM
Quote from: chairman on February 12, 2008, 10:26:58 PM
Can't beat golfing in the gym.... There is a long story about hitting a two iron in thirty-five degree weather, but no one carries a two-iron anymore. Nasty roads tonight. Really good game at EU last night. Would love to see the same Eastern team show up on Saturday. Reading, however, has not really been a comfortable place for the Eastern boys over the years (that is, as it is described in the business, negative understatement.).

If the game winds up with fifty or sixty fouls called, it will be to Eastern's advantage. (Even though they don't shoot that well from the foul line, I think they can absorb foul trouble better than Alvernia.)

Major debate about whether to travel to Reading or sneak into Villanova's back yard for a PAC South Women's battle Thursday night.

Any Booker sightings as of late?



Tough call Chairman.     Those girls are rough and tough.  Saw one break her wrist at the Dixon Center for Neumann.   

Booker is MIA but may be using another name or something I believe.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 13, 2008, 01:32:59 PM
In case anyone gets the urge to venture out tonight for a women's game, there is action at the Dixon Center tonight at 7:00 which may not be listed anywhere since it is a make up for the last snow in Radnor.   Cabrini vs. Notre Dame.  A rematch of the game in Madison Square Garden.

If the weather is not an issue this weekend we should have some real barn-burners to decide the playoff picture for the men.  Wondering what is happening at Immaculta.  Are any of their players injured? 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 13, 2008, 01:54:34 PM
They are hitting a tough stretch in their schedule with road games against tough teams. They did not stat the season with blow-out wins, so it stands to reason that they would drop some games in the league. A little surprising the way the split with GMC happened (both teams winning on the road), but not at all surprised that each team won one in that series.

Did Cabrini really put a 37-0 run on Notre Dame the last time they played?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 13, 2008, 03:37:16 PM
Chairman,

Speaking of multiple identities - while I don't know who Booker is, Flyer seems to resemble another poster.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 13, 2008, 03:42:50 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 13, 2008, 03:37:16 PM
Chairman,

Speaking of multiple identities - while I don't know who Booker is, Flyer seems to resemble another poster.



Lefty2,

It seems the person you are referring to, was probably getting a little too much heat.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 13, 2008, 04:10:40 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 13, 2008, 01:54:34 PM
They are hitting a tough stretch in their schedule with road games against tough teams. They did not stat the season with blow-out wins, so it stands to reason that they would drop some games in the league. A little surprising the way the split with GMC happened (both teams winning on the road), but not at all surprised that each team won one in that series.

Did Cabrini really put a 37-0 run on Notre Dame the last time they played?

Chair,  the Lady Cavs were down by 2 buckets at the 18:14 mark of the second half.  At the 16min. mark the Cavs started scoring 32 points consecutively while ND turned the ball over 12 times and missed on 25 shots allowing them to romp.  My math adds up to 32  but if you count baskets in the first half in the mix I actually come up with 38 points.  Guess Cabrini welcomed them to the PAC officially.

Which they could win against GMC and get a shot at the tourney.  They work hard.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 13, 2008, 04:15:32 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 13, 2008, 03:37:16 PM
Chairman,

Speaking of multiple identities - while I don't know who Booker is, Flyer seems to resemble another poster.



Lefty2

I think you know  who I am and that is all good because Mailsy and I are trying to get to Dallas on Saturday.   I don't know if Mailsy put the word out already but the Cavs could get a home game in the playoffs somehow after all this gridlock with a win.   

Misery  has some good players with talent and I was surprised they dropped a couple I chalked up as wins for them.  How bad is the snow up there Lefty? ?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 13, 2008, 05:16:54 PM
Yes.  It is possible for Cabrini to get a home game in the playoffs.  However, and that is a big "however" they have to win out.  Beating Misericordia on the road  and Eastern at home (even though it is at home) will not be easy.  A long road trip game is always tough.  The Eastern game on the road was a game they should have had, but Eastern came back and won.  So that is one of those games that Cabrini should have won so no guarantees in revenge games. 

If the Cavs win both those games then they definitely deserve the home game.  As a Cavs fan I want them to win and I don't want to have to travel too far to go see them.  But hopefully they will still make the playoffs because they are not in yet.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 13, 2008, 08:08:43 PM
Cabrini locks up a playoff berth with  a win in either of their last two, a Neumann loss, or an Immaculata win tomorrow and in one other game (they take the tie breaker from Neumann if Immaculata wins the league.) If Immac wins tomorrow and loses the next two, Alvernia could still win the league and boost Neumann ahead of Cabrini. If the Cavaliers beat Misericordia and the Cougars and Knights finish 8-8 (assuming a Misericordia win over Centenary tomorrow) I think the Knights would get in. I think that is the only way Neumann gets in with Immaculata winning the league.

I'm trying to figure out what the largest number of tied teams could be.... My head is about to explode. I'll check in later with that contingency.

Don't think Booker's coming back.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 13, 2008, 08:44:17 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 13, 2008, 04:15:32 PM

Lefty2

I think you know  who I am and that is all good because Mailsy and I are trying to get to Dallas on Saturday.   I don't know if Mailsy put the word out already but the Cavs could get a home game in the playoffs somehow after all this gridlock with a win.   

Misery  has some good players with talent and I was surprised they dropped a couple I chalked up as wins for them.  How bad is the snow up there Lefty? ?

Flyer,
I have know idea who you are - or WolfPAC or most of the folks on this board.

Most of Tuesday's snow was washed away by Wednesday's rain.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 13, 2008, 09:30:38 PM
I think four teams at 11-5 is the biggest log jam I can devise. More realistically, the tie is going to fall at 9-7 for 4-5-6, 4-5 or 5-6.

BTW...Lefty loves it when you call them Misery.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 13, 2008, 09:34:27 PM
Chair,

You gotta cut it out with this recent rash of postings...there's no way I'm gonna get to Karmatown before you do.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 13, 2008, 10:05:47 PM
I'm trying to make sure that each post is at least two lines. Seriously though. I have taken a pounding without really being abrasive (Calling out Booker notwithstanding). I think the smite fairy is out there just looking to beat on me. Oh well. I'm happy with myself. Kidd to the Mavs-- related to D3 hoops only in that All-Decade Team member Devean George is currently blocking the trade.

Enjoy tomorrow night's games. I'll be watching the Eagles try to unseat the Ramblers with an eye cast toward Reading.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 13, 2008, 11:38:59 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 13, 2008, 09:30:38 PM

BTW...Lefty loves it when you call them Misery.

At least spell it with an I - Miseri.
Title: Seven Straight
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 14, 2008, 12:13:19 AM
Just figured I'd make it seven straight postings from the SID world and get myself one more post closer to 200.

I figure I have until next year, when Miseri ( ;), Eastern and the Vern close the book on the PAC and join the fun over in the Freedom room, to get over 200 posts so I can join the Karma fun.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 14, 2008, 12:24:43 AM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 14, 2008, 12:13:19 AM
Just figured I'd make it seven straight postings from the SID world and get myself one more post closer to 200.

I figure I have until next year, when Miseri ( ;), Eastern and the Vern close the book on the PAC and join the fun over in the Freedom room, to get over 200 posts so I can join the Karma fun.

First of all I'm breaking the streak.  Second of all it is still the PAC until the end of the school year.  So let's please stay on track.  Third let's enjoy the next week it is going to be a wild ride to the PAC playoffs.
Title: Re: Seven Straight
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2008, 01:20:39 AM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on February 14, 2008, 12:13:19 AM
Just figured I'd make it seven straight postings from the SID world and get myself one more post closer to 200.

I'm just glad almost all of the SIDs in that string post their scores and game stories on a regular basis and don't just post on the board.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 14, 2008, 09:12:25 AM
FYI -the Lady Cavs rolled over Notre Dame 85-44 now they are 12-1 (17-5).
Just so all of you know.   Wolfpac was not a smite monster.  Now you have the proof. 

Tempted to ride to Reading.  Voting for the Crusaders.   Want to play them not Immac.   Be honest Mailsy.   Would you rather lose to Immac or Alvernia or win against Immac or Alvernia?

Hoping the Crusaders beat EU and Immac sorry Chiz, Hidehum ...........
I also like the pizza better at the Vern.   If anyone saw the Duke/ Maryland game last night with the Duke defense I think the Cavs are adapting this style of defense.   Seems  the Vern plays some junk defenses at times but they get the job done.  (Triangle and double by coach Miller)  Someone may have their number.   

Jon- help us out.   If we get to the Vern again  Mailsy and somehow pull an upset we get to visit the Cemetary even though it would never be the same.


Pat Coleman--- I know the Cavs defense is a long way away from Duke so chill.   I think the Cavs could beat Catholic though.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2008, 09:56:38 AM
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Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 14, 2008, 10:57:05 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2008, 09:56:38 AM
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Pat I was just ready in case you were going to send any criticism my way about the comparision between Cabrini and Duke defense. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 14, 2008, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: Flyer on February 14, 2008, 09:12:25 AM
Tempted to ride to Reading.  Voting for the Crusaders.   Want to play them not Immac.   Be honest Mailsy.   Would you rather lose to Immac or Alvernia or win against Immac or Alvernia?

Flyer,

I would rather have them in the playoffs with a chance at the NCAA's.  The team is  going to play, win or lose, and it has nothing to do with me.  I was just saying for logistics sake, I hope it's closer, because I'll have a better chance to get to the game if it is closer to work or home rather than traveling up to Miseri(no offense) for example.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 14, 2008, 12:17:19 PM
Wow Mailsy, I know the Cougars play in low-scoring games, but to say they have no offense...rouch.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 14, 2008, 12:23:09 PM
Quote from: Jon on February 14, 2008, 12:17:19 PM
Wow Mailsy, I know the Cougars play in low-scoring games, but to say they have no offense...rouch.

Jon,

Very funny :).   ::) Context is always important. See, Jon in the context you used, you're offending Miseri's play. :o  I was only trying to offend the travel up there.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 14, 2008, 12:41:44 PM
Just havin' a little fun over lunch Mailsy.  Enjoy the evening wherever you head.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 14, 2008, 12:51:08 PM
Quote from: Jon on February 14, 2008, 12:41:44 PM
Just havin' a little fun over lunch Mailsy.  Enjoy the evening wherever you head.

Thanks Jon.  I'll be checking out the scores on D3 tonight when I get home later.
I could say good luck to the Vern, but that might not help my Cavs. :)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 14, 2008, 01:01:23 PM
Quote from: Jon on February 14, 2008, 12:17:19 PM
Wow Mailsy, I know the Cougars play in low-scoring games, but to say they have no offense...rouch.

Jon,

As the late Johnny Carson would say - "that's funny stuff."

Did you mean to go with the Jetsons reference with the "rouch"?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 14, 2008, 02:36:45 PM
I think it was actually a Scooby -Doo reference....

If someone could translate Flyer's post for me, that would be appreciated.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 14, 2008, 04:39:24 PM
Yeah, uhh, the Cavs aren't beating Catholic.  Well, maybe once in 10 games.  You have to be kidding.  I have too much respect for Catholic, even in its weakened state this year, to believe that any Catholic player (or coach) would allow a weak Cabrini team to beat them.

Quote from: Flyer on February 14, 2008, 09:12:25 AM
FYI -the Lady Cavs rolled over Notre Dame 85-44 now they are 12-1 (17-5).
Just so all of you know.   Wolfpac was not a smite monster.  Now you have the proof. 

Tempted to ride to Reading.  Voting for the Crusaders.   Want to play them not Immac.   Be honest Mailsy.   Would you rather lose to Immac or Alvernia or win against Immac or Alvernia?

Hoping the Crusaders beat EU and Immac sorry Chiz, Hidehum ...........
I also like the pizza better at the Vern.   If anyone saw the Duke/ Maryland game last night with the Duke defense I think the Cavs are adapting this style of defense.   Seems  the Vern plays some junk defenses at times but they get the job done.  (Triangle and double by coach Miller)  Someone may have their number.   

Jon- help us out.   If we get to the Vern again  Mailsy and somehow pull an upset we get to visit the Cemetary even though it would never be the same.


Pat Coleman--- I know the Cavs defense is a long way away from Duke so chill.   I think the Cavs could beat Catholic though.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 14, 2008, 04:47:58 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 14, 2008, 02:36:45 PM
I think it was actually a Scooby -Doo reference....

If someone could translate Flyer's post for me, that would be appreciated.



Trying to say whatever magic has been happening at Cabrini is due to the defensive end.  Herenda has them playing more of a balanced game on defense and offense while they are slowing the others down.  If you know Mike Kry... and Duke he uses a million different defenses and changes things up to prevent mediocrity and predictability for game planning from an opponent's point of view.    However I did not want anyone to think I even considering the Cavs were close to the level of Duke or Mike K. so I was expecting some critics at the senior level to blast me.

One must admit whatever magic is going on is due to defensive posture and high energy tempo on the defensive end.  Seems the point gaurd is adapting better as well as the 3pt shooting percentage increasing slowly.
In light of this, Alvernia seemed to me to not really be playing defensive at times but just showing different defensive fronts rather than executing a specific defensive plan.  Seemed like a double down and rotate the gaurds or a junk defensive with trapping gaurds using the triangle. 

The game at the Vern was tied at 25 at the half and the Cavs managed to hold a team down that averaged 85 pts a game at that point in the season. It almost seemed to me that the Cavs folded rather easily, and I hate to say it like they almost threw the game or did not want to show all their stuff.   I admit they did hand the ball over a few times.

Does this help you to see where I am coming from better Chairman.  I was only making an observation based on the possibility that the Cavs could face Alvernia once again. 


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 14, 2008, 04:51:20 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 14, 2008, 04:39:24 PM
Yeah, uhh, the Cavs aren't beating Catholic.  Well, maybe once in 10 games.  You have to be kidding.  I have too much respect for Catholic, even in its weakened state this year, to believe that any Catholic player (or coach) would allow a weak Cabrini team to beat them.

Quote from: Flyer on February 14, 2008, 09:12:25 AM
FYI -the Lady Cavs rolled over Notre Dame 85-44 now they are 12-1 (17-5).
Just so all of you know.   Wolfpac was not a smite monster.  Now you have the proof. 

Tempted to ride to Reading.  Voting for the Crusaders.   Want to play them not Immac.   Be honest Mailsy.   Would you rather lose to Immac or Alvernia or win against Immac or Alvernia?

Hoping the Crusaders beat EU and Immac sorry Chiz, Hidehum ...........
I also like the pizza better at the Vern.   If anyone saw the Duke/ Maryland game last night with the Duke defense I think the Cavs are adapting this style of defense.   Seems  the Vern plays some junk defenses at times but they get the job done.  (Triangle and double by coach Miller)  Someone may have their number.   

Jon- help us out.   If we get to the Vern again  Mailsy and somehow pull an upset we get to visit the Cemetary even though it would never be the same.


Pat Coleman--- I know the Cavs defense is a long way away from Duke so chill.   I think the Cavs could beat Catholic though.


Chiz, that was only a sarcastic remark meant for Pat Coleman because of his affiliation with Catholic.  It is obvious Cabrini could not beat them this year.  However..... I am hoping to see you and EU at the Dixon Center on Monday night so we can solve this playoff puzzle once and for all!

May the best team win.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 14, 2008, 05:01:36 PM
So I've been thinking about Cabrini's success as of late, and am wondering if maybe some of the posters here are being a little too optimistic or unrealistic.  So the Cavs beat Neumann, sure, good win.  But where was DJ Fritz.  Ah, well, that's part of basketball.

Before that, the Cavs beat Centenary, uhh, 4-17 Centenary, by 2.  Centenary has beaten only Marywood in conference and St. Joe's (Brooklyn) and Berkeley.  We are talking about glorified high school teams.  The Cavs beat Centenary by 2.  If there was a line, it had to have been around 15.  Granted, a win is a win.  But follow me here please.

Prior to that, Cabrini beats Miseri.  Good win.

Before that, Cabrini beats a weakened team in Immaculata.  Where were Hyman and Lepone?  We know where, but Cabrini seems to think they're the bee's knees by winning against a less than full-rostered team.

And Cabrini splits with G-MC, and in the very close win, Haven Wroten, a top player was gone.

Listen, I'm not saying that Cabrini didn't win those games, I just think that Cabrini might not be looking too hot without a lot of luck.  Does Cabrini beat those teams at full strength?  Doubt it.  Is Cabrini at full strength?  Seems so.  How does Cabrini do once playoff time comes?  Probably the same as they did earlier this year.

I guess we will see what happens come Monday.  Where were all the Cabrini posters earlier this year?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 14, 2008, 05:06:24 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 14, 2008, 05:01:36 PM
So I've been thinking about Cabrini's success as of late, and am wondering if maybe some of the posters here are being a little too optimistic or unrealistic.  So the Cavs beat Neumann, sure, good win.  But where was DJ Fritz.  Ah, well, that's part of basketball.

Before that, the Cavs beat Centenary, uhh, 4-17 Centenary, by 2.  Centenary has beaten only Marywood in conference and St. Joe's (Brooklyn) and Berkeley.  We are talking about glorified high school teams.  The Cavs beat Centenary by 2.  If there was a line, it had to have been around 15.  Granted, a win is a win.  But follow me here please.

Prior to that, Cabrini beats Miseri.  Good win.

Before that, Cabrini beats a weakened team in Immaculata.  Where were Hyman and Lepone?  We know where, but Cabrini seems to think they're the bee's knees by winning against a less than full-rostered team.

And Cabrini splits with G-MC, and in the very close win, Haven Wroten, a top player was gone.

Listen, I'm not saying that Cabrini didn't win those games, I just think that Cabrini might not be looking too hot without a lot of luck.  Does Cabrini beat those teams at full strength?  Doubt it.  Is Cabrini at full strength?  Seems so.  How does Cabrini do once playoff time comes?  Probably the same as they did earlier this year.

I guess we will see what happens come Monday.  Where were all the Cabrini posters earlier this year?

The same place the Immac posters are right now.   
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2008, 05:39:50 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 14, 2008, 04:51:20 PM
Chiz, that was only a sarcastic remark meant for Pat Coleman because of his affiliation with Catholic. 

These are always wasted on me. I couldn't care less. I have 400 teams to follow, not one. :)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 14, 2008, 06:24:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2008, 05:39:50 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 14, 2008, 04:51:20 PM
Chiz, that was only a sarcastic remark meant for Pat Coleman because of his affiliation with Catholic. 

These are always wasted on me. I couldn't care less. I have 400 teams to follow, not one. :)

Point taken, no hard feelings.   Seriously, I was at tournaments and regionals at Catholic, and a Sweet 16, & Elite 8 and the campus was well organized and professional when conducting all events.  The shopping was nice as well down there.   Following 400 teams is a real job. 

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 14, 2008, 06:36:17 PM
We're all getting a little testy now, arent we?  Let's see what happens this week.  We all want our teams to win.  (Obviously, that's an understatement).  The Cavs are coming off their 2 worst seasons in school history, as Cavs fans we are optimistic about the present(8-6 in the PAC with a chance for the playoffs) and the future.  Though who knows what's going to happen with the name change and 3 possible (decided this week) playoff teams leaving.  Tonight and Saturday will start to clarify the whole mess a little bit for this year.  As for next year, the crystal is still fuzzy.  Good luck to all tonight!!! (A little less for some)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 14, 2008, 08:42:47 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 14, 2008, 06:36:17 PM
We're all getting a little testy now, arent we?  Let's see what happens this week.  We all want our teams to win.  (Obviously, that's an understatement).  The Cavs are coming off their 2 worst seasons in school history, as Cavs fans we are optimistic about the present(8-6 in the PAC with a chance for the playoffs) and the future.  Though who knows what's going to happen with the name change and 3 possible (decided this week) playoff teams leaving.  Tonight and Saturday will start to clarify the whole mess a little bit for this year.  As for next year, the crystal is still fuzzy.  Good luck to all tonight!!! (A little less for some)


Looks like the Vern pulled through tonight with Shawell and T. Bradley in the clutch.    This means the Vern will earn #1 seed and a first round bye.

Jon, if the Vern beats EU next and the Cavs win against Miseri and EU or just EU do we have a chance to play at Vern?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on February 14, 2008, 09:33:05 PM
The vern with a big win over the Mighty Macs.Vern clinches homecourt just about.Also,I think cabrini if they played well could beat Catholic.Seen them play the vern in a scrimmage,they were not that good.Cabrini could beat them.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 14, 2008, 10:10:40 PM
Another night passes with Marywood and Centenary failing to even threaten to make any kind of noise as spoilers. To score 43 points in a home game is really brutal. Not expecting either one of them to win, but one would think that at least at least a spirited effort.

Congrats to Alvernia on a big win tonight. It would probably be best to rest their players for Saturday. Seriously though. Neumann catches a big break with that win, and the potential value of the second leg and the final Conference Regular Season installation of the Battle of Eagle road goes up even more.

Saturday's games will be big. The Vern would have to drop two straight to Eastern and Marywood at the PEC to not take the number one seed. The Eagles can play them tough, but to even consider the potential of a Marywood win there is outside the realm of possibility.

I posted when Immac had seven to play and said that they would do well to win 4 of those games. I got yelled at a bit by a couple Immac posters, but only a 25 point comeback at Gwynedd keeps them from four straight losses. Gwynedd is quietly moving right back into the thick of things. (both of these are partially functions of schedule.)

Looking forward to seeing the matrix tonight.

Peace
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 14, 2008, 10:38:02 PM
Wait no more my good friend.

2008 PAC MB Matrix (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2008/2/6/2008%20MB%20Matrix.pdf)

I will post first, comment later.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 14, 2008, 10:42:28 PM
I would say Centenary's effort tonight qualified as "spirited."

They went down 19 on the first bucket of the second half and cut it to six within six minutes.

Misericordia went back up by 16 and Centenary made another charge to get to within seven with six to play.

Misericordia pulled away from there.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 14, 2008, 10:47:02 PM
What happens when a potential 1-2 tie-breaker is dependent on a 6-7 tie-breaker which is dependent on a 1-2 tie-breaker...
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 14, 2008, 11:12:32 PM
coin flip?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 14, 2008, 11:17:49 PM
It is conceivable that all four teams playing on the final Thursday could be 10-5. Not that it means anything, but that would be quite the event for all the involved athletic administrations trying to figure out who is hosting games 36 hours later.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 14, 2008, 11:20:21 PM
At the top or the bottom?

Glad to hear Centenary is putting up a fight.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Chris Panter, GMC SID on February 15, 2008, 12:08:52 AM
Quote from: Flyer on February 14, 2008, 06:24:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2008, 05:39:50 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 14, 2008, 04:51:20 PM


Point taken, no hard feelings.   Seriously, I was at tournaments and regionals at Catholic, and a Sweet 16, & Elite 8 and the campus was well organized and professional when conducting all events.  The shopping was nice as well down there.   Following 400 teams is a real job. 



why thank you....
hope those stat monitors are holding up
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 15, 2008, 09:46:35 AM
Quote from: MR. PAC on February 14, 2008, 09:33:05 PM
The vern with a big win over the Mighty Macs.Vern clinches homecourt just about.Also,I think cabrini if they played well could beat Catholic.Seen them play the vern in a scrimmage,they were not that good.Cabrini could beat them.

I am glad you see it my way Mr. Pac.  Tell Chizwiz as well.  I heard Eastern also beat Widener in their summer ball league only Widener was without there top 2 guys.   Does this mean Eastern is going to win the Pac and go deep in the tournament because they beat Widener in the summer?

The Vern has too much talent and in the clutch they have players who are confident enough to put the ball up or take it to the rim.  Even if they miss it seems somehow they get a putback.   

Mr. Pac and Jon,  Please win the next game.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 15, 2008, 09:52:26 AM
Quote from: Jon on February 14, 2008, 10:47:02 PM
What happens when a potential 1-2 tie-breaker is dependent on a 6-7 tie-breaker which is dependent on a 1-2 tie-breaker...


If the Vern just wins out we don't have to worry!

Tough decision........... drive to the far reaches of the planet to Miseri or just over the hills to Reading for a cold one at the Cemetary. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 15, 2008, 09:54:51 AM
Quote from: Chris Panter, GMC SID on February 15, 2008, 12:08:52 AM
Quote from: Flyer on February 14, 2008, 06:24:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2008, 05:39:50 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 14, 2008, 04:51:20 PM


Point taken, no hard feelings.   Seriously, I was at tournaments and regionals at Catholic, and a Sweet 16, & Elite 8 and the campus was well organized and professional when conducting all events.  The shopping was nice as well down there.   Following 400 teams is a real job. 



why thank you....
hope those stat monitors are holding up


Hard to get a boxscore at the half though...those SID's are doing just fine.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 15, 2008, 11:27:02 AM
since nobody else wants too ill do it... Congrats to Jr. Kyle Finklea on Scoring his 1,000 point @ Alvernia last night. Tough/bad loss last night. o well life goes on i guess got to win out now to save 2nd place... right?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 15, 2008, 11:54:45 AM
HIdeUmm,

Interesting string of statements there.  I think you could have just thrown congrats to Finklea without loading it up with the "since nobody else wants to do it" statement.  From what I know there is a great deal of respect around the league for Finklea due to his talent and character.

Quote from: HIdeUmm on February 15, 2008, 11:27:02 AM
Tough/bad loss last night.

I gotta question that one a bit too.  I'm not sure a loss to the two-time defending champion on its home court is a bad loss.  Tough, maybe, but certainly not bad.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 15, 2008, 12:10:54 PM
i understand that the league respects Finklea HOWEVER randy reid gets his 1000 as a senior and not taking anything away from reid cause i respect him and enjoy watcvhing him play and the post immediately following that game which i beleve was a loss as welll everyone gives him his due... just a thought...

its a bad loss because now the Macs HAVE to go back to reading if they make the final... they were up 10, i know to the defending champs but up 10 to a team they beat in the beginning of the season...that could be the key...the beginning of the season. it is a bad loss cause it is the 3rd in a row.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 15, 2008, 12:23:15 PM
Quote from: HIdeUmm on February 15, 2008, 12:10:54 PM
i understand that the league respects Finklea HOWEVER randy reid gets his 1000 as a senior and not taking anything away from reid cause i respect him and enjoy watcvhing him play and the post immediately following that game which i beleve was a loss as welll everyone gives him his due... just a thought...

its a bad loss because now the Macs HAVE to go back to reading if they make the final... they were up 10, i know to the defending champs but up 10 to a team they beat in the beginning of the season...that could be the key...the beginning of the season. it is a bad loss cause it is the 3rd in a row.



Don't worry too much Hideumm everyone respects the Immac players and you are not out of anything.   Just ask Jon about the past 5 years and how many times the top seed has actually won the PAc championship.

If more Immac people posted on the board they would get more respect as well I am sure.  Sounds like you care about your team a great deal and stand up for them.   

Sometimes its better to be the #2 seed.   The Vern has some great players but they can be beaten.  But will it happen on their court?  It is tough to win at the Vern and the refs up there seem biased at times to the visiting team in the heat of the moment.   Thats no excuse for losing there though.    Anybody can beat anybody this year........ it comes down to the final buzzer ehh.....
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 15, 2008, 12:44:41 PM
FlyerPACman,

I seem to remember a time when the "refs" at weren't biased in Alveria's favor.

An alleged buzzer-beater got your Cavs on ESPN and into the NCAA's.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 15, 2008, 01:48:29 PM
And the Southpaw hits one outta the park for the Vern.

It's like WolFlyer says on the 1,000 point front, there are several Cabrini connections appearing as regulars on this board, so it makes sense the Reid's accomplishments were noted right away.  And as soon as the next Eagle hits 1,000 I'm sure the bounty of Eastern supporters will note that here post-haste.

I would say the Macs are in a bad streak at the moment, but plenty of good teams lose 10-point, first-half leads.  It was only 28-18, the majority of the scoring was still to come.

As for officials, I am contractually obligated to not speak/write in a judgmental fashion about referees, umpires, or officials, but I did enjoy the little piece from the Flyer that said the refs appear to be "biased at times to the visiting team."
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 15, 2008, 02:03:56 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 15, 2008, 12:44:41 PM
FlyerPACman,

I seem to remember a time when the "refs" at weren't biased in Alveria's favor.

An alleged buzzer-beater got your Cavs on ESPN and into the NCAA's.


Jon and Lefty2,

The keyword in the ref discussion was APPEAR to be but I know they are not!    That is why I ended my last post with FINAL BUZZER ehh.

The refs do a hell of a job but cannot please everyone all the time.  Perhaps because the refs at different places do not have familiar faces to all people/fans and the passion in the stands is overflowing it seems as if there is favoritism at times.  Obviously at this level I doubt it is happening.

In all games in general it seems the first half the calls go one way for one team and they tend to try to even it up in the second half sometimes the score also dictates calls according to the shouters in the stands.   Then at crunch time the losing team that is so close and doesn't make their foul shots causes the common fan to blame someone.


As far as Kareem Brunson's game winning shot....many claim the table was trying to quick buzz the shot ! ! 

Like I said you cannot please everyone!  If the call went the other way you know who would be crying.  Then again, if the Vern player got the rebound on that play or did not miss the foul shot intentionally acccording to the coach's instruction the game could have had a different outcome.

Gotta love it anyway! ! !

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 15, 2008, 02:08:53 PM
Jon I forgot to mention the losing team and the winning team have to beat the refs as well as the opponent.   So please forgive me where I am coming from.   I know usually in the playoffs there should be a ref for the visiting team and one for the home team and a neutral ref.
Yeah right!

The visiting coach should have a say the matter. But then again.. that is home field advantage and the higher seeded team earns that right. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 15, 2008, 02:12:20 PM
I hate to continually refer to my contractual obligations, but we must speak of the shot no more.  The tape is locked in a safe inside a drawer inside a cabinet in the dungeon.  To even consider watching it again is to risk eternal banishment from the institution.

To answer the seeding question from earlier, the #1 seed in the PAC Championship has won each of the last four titles.  The last two to the Vern and the two before that to GMC.  The #1 seed has won nine of the 15 titles.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 15, 2008, 02:42:24 PM
Quote from: Jon on February 15, 2008, 02:12:20 PM
To answer the seeding question from earlier, the #1 seed in the PAC Championship has won each of the last four titles.  The last two to the Vern and the two before that to GMC.  The #1 seed has won nine of the 15 titles.

As a none #1 team or even a non #2 team as a fan we hope the trend does not continue.  But the reason the trend continues is because they just happen to be BETTER.  That's the way it goes.  We can all hope of the remaining 4 other teams one of them can win three in the playoffs.

Regarding the referees.  Hardly anyone on the losing end of a close game ever said:  "those referees, man they just called a fabulous game."  If you're good enough to win...  you win, despite the referees and despite the court your playing on.  If your better that day you win. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 15, 2008, 03:59:16 PM
I've heard stories of when Cabrini fans considered games in Reading to be a home game. It is not that way anymore. The PEC is a tough place to win, and I would say that no one in the league could- at any point in the past six years anyways- call any loss there a bad loss in the sense that they were expecting to win. Certainly it was a big game for Immaculata and the the result was a disappointing one, but to get the two-time defending champs twice in the regular season would not be something that anyone in the conference should believe should be done.

Congrats to Kyle on his accomplishment. It feels like he scored about 800 of those against Eastern. He was very good the other night against pretty good defense. On occasion the Eastern team gives up career nights to players because they forget to defend. this was not the case with Finklea the other night. He hit a number of very tough shots and made plays to give his team a  good chance to win.

Saturday will be interesting. The Eagles will have to shoot well and force one of the big two to a poor shooting performance while not giving a career game to a 6 ppg scorer.

Looking forward to maybe grabbing a slice of Pizza- which I've never had but have heard much about.

I hope that I can hit 200 with a post about a great win for Eastern.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 15, 2008, 04:51:59 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 15, 2008, 03:59:16 PM
I've heard stories of when Cabrini fans considered games in Reading to be a home game.

Chairman,

Back in the day(the mid 80's) we as fans thought everywhere was a home game, especially at Eastern, ;D  The 6 OT game, the chants of "Arnold".  Aah the good old days.  Unfortunately not that way anymore at Eastern, Alvernia or anywhere else for that matter.  Much tougher these days. 

Good luck to all this weekend, a little less to some, a lot more to the Cavs. 

Flyer, still looking a little blurry on the crystal or maybe it's just something I don't like.  If you're going enjoy the trip.  Won't be able to go.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 15, 2008, 07:00:56 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 15, 2008, 04:51:59 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 15, 2008, 03:59:16 PM
I've heard stories of when Cabrini fans considered games in Reading to be a home game.

Chairman,

Back in the day(the mid 80's) we as fans thought everywhere was a home game, especially at Eastern, ;D  The 6 OT game, the chants of "Arnold".  Aah the good old days.  Unfortunately not that way anymore at Eastern, Alvernia or anywhere else for that matter.  Much tougher these days. 

Good luck to all this weekend, a little less to some, a lot more to the Cavs. 

Flyer, still looking a little blurry on the crystal or maybe it's just something I don't like.  If you're going enjoy the trip.  Won't be able to go.


Hey Mailsy,  I am not trying to be too biased as a poster loyal to one's own team but I must admit some on the board are probably not old enough to remember anything before the PAC existed.  If it would have existed in the 1980's there would not be enough space for all the conference titles Cabrini would have won as the winningest program in D3.   Do you recall Mailsy how the first 4 years of the PAC had the Cavs with a conference record of 65-6 unheard of these days.  The Vern did make the Final 4 though although not via the Cavs.  Loved to watch Damien Hunter being frustrated with the defense of the Cavs.  Today it is totally different with the recruitment and saturation of schools costing too much and Sat scores and financial aid packages with presidents and mission compliance etc...

Mailsy, your word is gold, and if you see a fuzzy image I am not going to drive to nowhere land so I think I will stop in and see Jon at the Vern to see what happens to the matrix.   

Jon, Alvernia is a great place to play despite any negative feelings on the board.  Also, the webcast images from the Vern are the most professional I have seen thus far with graphics and informed play by play.  Give those you know there the credit for pioneering the quality. Will the Vern schedule the Cavs or other former Pac teams next year?   

Until the matrix moves enjoy all the madness........  Flyer 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 15, 2008, 08:02:08 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 15, 2008, 07:00:56 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 15, 2008, 04:51:59 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 15, 2008, 03:59:16 PM
I've heard stories of when Cabrini fans considered games in Reading to be a home game.

Chairman,

Back in the day(the mid 80's) we as fans thought everywhere was a home game, especially at Eastern, ;D  The 6 OT game, the chants of "Arnold".  Aah the good old days.  Unfortunately not that way anymore at Eastern, Alvernia or anywhere else for that matter.  Much tougher these days. 

Good luck to all this weekend, a little less to some, a lot more to the Cavs. 

Flyer, still looking a little blurry on the crystal or maybe it's just something I don't like.  If you're going enjoy the trip.  Won't be able to go.


Hey Mailsy,  I am not trying to be too biased as a poster loyal to one's own team but I must admit some on the board are probably not old enough to remember anything before the PAC existed.  If it would have existed in the 1980's there would not be enough space for all the conference titles Cabrini would have won as the winningest program in D3.   Do you recall Mailsy how the first 4 years of the PAC had the Cavs with a conference record of 65-6 unheard of these days.  The Vern did make the Final 4 though although not via the Cavs.  Loved to watch Damien Hunter being frustrated with the defense of the Cavs.  Today it is totally different with the recruitment and saturation of schools costing too much and Sat scores and financial aid packages with presidents and mission compliance etc...

Mailsy, your word is gold, and if you see a fuzzy image I am not going to drive to nowhere land so I think I will stop in and see Jon at the Vern to see what happens to the matrix.   

Jon, Alvernia is a great place to play despite any negative feelings on the board.  Also, the webcast images from the Vern are the most professional I have seen thus far with graphics and informed play by play.  Give those you know there the credit for pioneering the quality. Will the Vern schedule the Cavs or other former Pac teams next year?   

Until the matrix moves enjoy all the madness........  Flyer 

Yes showing my age.  But Cabrini was in the NAIA and there was a lot more money and a lot less tuition to go around.  Hence $39,280 vs $6,600.

Flyer, don't take my word as "gold".   I wish I could be that good.  Believe me I'd love the Cavs to win this weekend.  That means playoffs and if your in anything can happen.  To say that they are absolutely going to win would make me  a character from the Simpsons.  (yes I've opened myself up to a plethora of comments)Just to clarify that would be Homer  :) I'm just looking at the opponent and the location.  Enjoy Saturday
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 15, 2008, 09:58:19 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 15, 2008, 07:00:56 PM
.....I am not going to drive to nowhere land....

Nowhere land?  It's any easy two-hour or less commute door-to-door.  Misericordia and Marywood make the trip for almost every PAC game. 

Just get off the NE extension, hang a left and you'll be in your seat in 20 minutes.

With Misericordia's exit from the PAC after this semester, this is likely the last opportunity you'll have for this road trip.

 




Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 15, 2008, 10:51:24 PM
There is even a Starbucks Coffee on your way in. Things are coming along up there.  :D

Now if we could just get them to turn the lights on in the gym....
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 16, 2008, 08:03:07 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 15, 2008, 09:58:19 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 15, 2008, 07:00:56 PM
.....I am not going to drive to nowhere land....

Nowhere land?  It's any easy two-hour or less commute door-to-door.  Misericordia and Marywood make the trip for almost every PAC game. 

Just get off the NE extension, hang a left and you'll be in your seat in 20 minutes.

With Misericordia's exit from the PAC after this semester, this is likely the last opportunity you'll have for this road trip.

 






Mailsy, Chairman,  you all convinced me.  I hope to see you lefty.   The Cavs probably will need all the help they can get up there anyhow.

Babysitter, dogsitter, etc......... 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 16, 2008, 01:03:56 PM
Quote

Mailsy, Chairman,  you all convinced me.  I hope to see you lefty.   The Cavs probably will need all the help they can get up there anyhow.

Babysitter, dogsitter, etc......... 

Uh, oh...  my mom won't allow me to meet people who I met on-line.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 16, 2008, 05:20:59 PM
Flyer,

I apologize to you for having to go up into the middle.  I just had the feeling that today's outcomes would be the way they happened.  I'll now more by Monday about the crystal.

Congrats Miseri, Neumann and Alvernia.  The PAC playoffs are becoming more defined and still a little crazy.  Monday is huge for The Cavs and Eastern.  The winner I think will be in playoffs and the loser might be out, unless Centenary surprises all of us.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 16, 2008, 09:34:25 PM
Okay sportsfans.  I've reloaded the matrix.

2008 MB PAC Matrix (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2008/2/6/2008%20MB%20Matrix.pdf)

Crusader inch closer to earning the top seed and Shawell inches closer to 1,000 career points.  Still gonna take till Monday to iron it out.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 16, 2008, 10:49:34 PM
Jon, Mailsy, Lefty2, Chiz, Chairman, Hidehumm, Wolfpac, Mr. PAc, Coach C. Booker,  and Pat Coleman,

I cannot watch games at the D3 level anymore so I am graduating... nice chatting with all of you.  I may end up at the Dixon center on Monday to pay respect to some seniors but I am outta here for good. My passion for the D3 level is not there anymore.   Some or most of you probably don't care that I quit the board anyway so what difference does it make.

After talking to Fran O Hanlon of Lafayette and seeing that level of play this is a joke so I will make the Patriot League my new home.  Not to generalize but maybe it is just the PAC play since the MAC teams are a bit better.  I would hate to see what D4 brings ! !   Maybe someone should start a blog for D4hoops.com.

I may start a blog myself.

It been a nice ride but until this area changes a bit I cannot be involved at this level.  Perhaps if a certain coach and staff ever come back to the area I may get involved again.  Fundamentals at this level are tough to come by after seeing what I saw.   No more posting for me, I guess some of you are glad anyway.  Mailsy whoever you are I will see you at alumni games.


Jon you do one hell of a job.........God bless you!   Outta here..... last post for me.................................................................
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 17, 2008, 12:45:59 AM
Let's hope the board can survive. I guess after you have been posting for four full days you need a full farewell with flowers and a band.

Monday night is big for both Eastern and Cabrini, but the Eagles have to win just one of two to make it in. Monday is in all likelihood do or die for the Cavs. Neumann still has to win at Centenary, but the talent differential is probably too significant for an upset.

Credit to Shawell for a big day today. He had to hit a number of tough shots and he made his free throws down the stretch. Eastern didn't take advantage of their opportunity to pull off the upset. They took the lead with a nice run, but didn't hit free throws when they got to the line.

The road to the PAC Title will go through Reading.

Looking for a huge night Monday.

Flyer just got out before I hit 200.

Quite a performance by Jon in the Faculty-Freshman game in the nightcap at the PEC.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 17, 2008, 08:42:11 AM
Reconsidering my decision to exit.  Did not delete my account yet.
But then again I can just sit back and read without being involved directly. Its just difficult sometimes and frustrating when teams can win and don't because of fundamentals at this level.

I must give Alvernia credit for doing what they are supposed to do under pressure.

Hope Monday is a barn-burner. So if EU wins they are in and if the Cavs win they are in ? ?  Someone explain the scenario.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 17, 2008, 10:15:47 AM
Quote from: Flyer on February 17, 2008, 08:42:11 AM
Reconsidering my decision to exit.  Did not delete my account yet.
But then again I can just sit back and read without being involved directly. Its just difficult sometimes and frustrating when teams can win and don't because of fundamentals at this level.

I must give Alvernia credit for doing what they are supposed to do under pressure.

Hope Monday is a barn-burner. So if EU wins they are in and if the Cavs win they are in ? ?  Someone explain the scenario.


Flyer,

I thought something really bad happened to you. 

If Cabrini wins there in at 9-7.  Eastern would then have to win at Immaculata to get to 9-7.  If Neumann loses to Centenary.  Both are in automatically.  If Neumann wins and Cabrini loses,  Alvernia would have to lose to Marywood and Immaculata would have to win at Miseri and beat Eastern.  This still doesn't guarantee anything because I don't know who wins the tie breaker at the top.  All I know is that the Cavs have to win.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 17, 2008, 10:17:28 AM
Welcome back.

Neumann can get to eight wins with a win over Centenary. Either EU or Cabrini will get to nine wins with a win. nine wins is in... Neumann can get no more than eight. The tie breaker that kills both EU and Cabrini is record vs. league teams from the top down. Neumann's win at the Vern puts them ahead of EU and Cabrini, against whom they went 1-1. Therefore Cabrini is on the bubble. EU is also at eight wins and is on the bubble, but they have two games to get that win. No one wearing maroon and white--- or gray as the case may be--wants to push everything back to the Immaculata game.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 17, 2008, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: chairman on February 17, 2008, 10:17:28 AM
Welcome back.

Neumann can get to eight wins with a win over Centenary. Either EU or Cabrini will get to nine wins with a win. nine wins is in... Neumann can get no more than eight. The tie breaker that kills both EU and Cabrini is record vs. league teams from the top down. Neumann's win at the Vern puts them ahead of EU and Cabrini, against whom they went 1-1. Therefore Cabrini is on the bubble. EU is also at eight wins and is on the bubble, but they have two games to get that win. No one wearing maroon and white--- or gray as the case may be--wants to push everything back to the Immaculata game.

Thanks Mailsy, and Chairman.

Sorry to over react but jut how I felt in the heat of the moment.   Foul shots, dribbling, completing a simple bounce pass, and holding your hands up straight while defending a paint player without leaning backwards, as well as taking a charge.... this disgusts me when a team cannot do these things but are very capable.  I think you know where I am coming from up in the Poconos.   Throwing the ball to someone who is not paying attention for some unknown reason while a couple of players have career days well I guess you just don't deserve to win the game.  OH and you have to remember to play defense as well.  Hard to take when you realize a team is playing for all the marbles and could have sewn a spot up.  I felt like walking away.  I don't know if it was because of a long ride or the fact that Bruce did not play and grab defensive rebounds or offensive rebounds and bang the boards due to a bad ankle.  I think Herenda is saving him for tomorrow in the do or die game.  Just ashame when the offensive did enough to win and Washington hit nine 3 point shots in a 3 minute span it seemed like.  Randy Reid scored 27 along with Washington's 33 and you still don't win the game because of fundamentals.  They had them if they just cleared the middle out and fouled out one guy on Miseri... so disheartening.  I can see disaster in the crystal ball tomorrow Mailsy unless I am dillusional.     

Thank you both for your patience and explanations.  Things make sense now after cooling off and seeing your posts.    I hate to say it but it is definitely THE LITTLE THINGS THAT ARE SO IMPORTANT.

Looking forward to tomorrows game between EU/Cavs.  I am off tomorrow for President's day so I will probably get there to see the women and mens game for senior day at Radnor.  I only hope the Cavs show up.  Should be a packed house I would hope with noise and fans rising to the occasion.  Coach N. and McTammey have a chance to squash the basketball program at Cabrini for this year or the Cavs and Herenda could make the playoffs and have a successful year to build upon next year if some recruits come in to play defense for Washington.   Hate to say it but it is all going to come down to a foul shot my gut is telling me unless one team shoots the three ball well enough to grab a big lead.

Thinking about driving down to Daytona to make the race at 2:00 see ya all later.  Thanks again for your clarifications.  I am chilling.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 17, 2008, 12:41:46 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 17, 2008, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: chairman on February 17, 2008, 10:17:28 AM
Welcome back.

Neumann can get to eight wins with a win over Centenary. Either EU or Cabrini will get to nine wins with a win. nine wins is in... Neumann can get no more than eight. The tie breaker that kills both EU and Cabrini is record vs. league teams from the top down. Neumann's win at the Vern puts them ahead of EU and Cabrini, against whom they went 1-1. Therefore Cabrini is on the bubble. EU is also at eight wins and is on the bubble, but they have two games to get that win. No one wearing maroon and white--- or gray as the case may be--wants to push everything back to the Immaculata game.

Thanks Mailsy, and Chairman.

Sorry to over react but jut how I felt in the heat of the moment.   Foul shots, dribbling, completing a simple bounce pass, and holding your hands up straight while defending a paint player without leaning backwards, as well as taking a charge.... this disgusts me when a team cannot do these things but are very capable.  I think you know where I am coming from up in the Poconos.   Throwing the ball to someone who is not paying attention for some unknown reason while a couple of players have career days well I guess you just don't deserve to win the game.  OH and you have to remember to play defense as well.  Hard to take when you realize a team is playing for all the marbles and could have sewn a spot up.  I felt like walking away.  I don't know if it was because of a long ride or the fact that Bruce did not play and grab defensive rebounds or offensive rebounds and bang the boards due to a bad ankle.  I think Herenda is saving him for tomorrow in the do or die game.  Just ashame when the offensive did enough to win and Washington hit nine 3 point shots in a 3 minute span it seemed like.  Randy Reid scored 27 along with Washington's 33 and you still don't win the game because of fundamentals.  They had them if they just cleared the middle out and fouled out one guy on Miseri... so disheartening.  I can see disaster in the crystal ball tomorrow Mailsy unless I am dillusional.     

Thank you both for your patience and explanations.  Things make sense now after cooling off and seeing your posts.    I hate to say it but it is definitely THE LITTLE THINGS THAT ARE SO IMPORTANT.

Looking forward to tomorrows game between EU/Cavs.  I am off tomorrow for President's day so I will probably get there to see the women and mens game for senior day at Radnor.  I only hope the Cavs show up.  Should be a packed house I would hope with noise and fans rising to the occasion.  Coach N. and McTammey have a chance to squash the basketball program at Cabrini for this year or the Cavs and Herenda could make the playoffs and have a successful year to build upon next year if some recruits come in to play defense for Washington.   Hate to say it but it is all going to come down to a foul shot my gut is telling me unless one team shoots the three ball well enough to grab a big lead.

Thinking about driving down to Daytona to make the race at 2:00 see ya all later.  Thanks again for your clarifications.  I am chilling.

Thank goodness we got you off the ledge.  Flyer, I'm not sure what's going to happen yet.  If I see you at the game I'll let you know. Hopefully it will be a win.
Regarding Daytona, just stay home and watch it on TV, you'll be more rested for Monday. ;D
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 17, 2008, 09:56:22 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 16, 2008, 10:49:34 PM
Jon, Mailsy, Lefty2, Chiz, Chairman, Hidehumm, Wolfpac, Mr. PAc, Coach C. Booker,  and Pat Coleman,

I cannot watch games at the D3 level anymore so I am graduating...

Etc., etc...

Flyguy, it appears as though all you did on the return trip down the NE ext. was stew over the performance of one team and figure they stood for the entire division.  Maybe you even ascended that crazy tree I thought your alter ego often climbed not so long ago.  If you do leave for the higher division, don't latch onto the St. Louis squad.  It has shown that same lack of execution of the fundamentals your beloved Cavs seemed to have lacked.

I'm glad you took the night to sleep on it and rejoin the fray here as we begin close a chapter on the PAC Chat Room.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 17, 2008, 10:00:29 PM
I just discovered that the last posting of the matrix had a typo in the link, so it went to a page that was not found.  I fixed the link on that post and will post the link here as well for those interested.

2008 PAC MB Matrix (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2008/2/6/2008%20MB%20Matrix.pdf)

One exit closer to Karmatown...
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 17, 2008, 10:08:14 PM
I cannot watch games at the D3 level anymore so I am graduating...
[/quote]

Flyguy, it appears as though all you did on the return trip down the NE ext. was stew over the performance of one team and figure they stood for the entire division.  Maybe you even ascended that crazy tree I thought your alter ego often climbed not so long ago. 

I'm glad you took the night to sleep on it and rejoin the fray here as we begin close a chapter on the PAC Chat Room.
[/quote]

Jon,

We definitely talked Flyer down from the edge.  Obviously, blowing off steam after another frustrating loss.  Monday is new day.  I'll enjoy the last weeks of the PAC.  Who knows what lies ahead for the Cavs and the rest of the remaining PAC members.  I'll miss the interesting banter I've experienced over the last couple of weeks when the season and PAC is over.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 17, 2008, 10:31:23 PM
Looks like Monday is another day for picture-in-picture-in-picture in the PAC.  Alvernia could seal up its third straight #1 seed with a win and the final regular-season conference game in the Eastern/Cabrini rivalry kicks off.

The Cougars hold quite a bit of seedings in their hands.  They've only lost once at home in conference this season going into Monday's game with Immaculata and the Thursday game at GMC could hold a bye in the balance.

We'll see what kind of out of town scoreboard we can cook up for the webcast Monday night at the Vern to keep the faithful up to date.  Check the front page of d3hoops.com (http://www.d3hoops.com) for a link to the webcast.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 18, 2008, 01:06:24 AM
All-PAC Squad the Final Edition--First Draft
I've decided to use Post #200 to throw out an All-PAC team and see what others have to offer back.

1st team:
POTY- Shawell... Seen him play twice in person. First time he looked mortal. The second time he hit tough shot after tough shot. Can't dispute the winning. If he is not unanimous there is some big time chicanery going on.

Baumunk... Misericordia 57% shooting and 16 and 6.5. Can only speak for what I've seen, but he has been very impressive in the two times I've seen him. Misericordia is right n the thick of things, and he is a huge part of what they do.

Finklea--Immac.... Looked special in the one game I saw him. Good passer and scorer. He can take over a game.

Washington-- CAB--Truly a special offensive talent. Defensive is a little suspicious at times, but the scoring is brilliant.

The Fifth spot is tough.... Go with Talley from GMC, but might be persuaded to go other directions if things move this week. He is the most dynamic scorer on a team that has battled back to earn a playoff spot.


2nd team:

King- Alvernia I moved him on to the second team only because I've not seen him create his own shot. Great range at the offensive end and  he does great work on the defensive boards.
Reid-- Very difficult to stop in the post.
Patrick-- Neumann-- I hate myself for this, but you can't argue with his talent, and when he decides he wants to play he can single-handedly win games. I'd rather vote for E. Hitchens, but Patrick does score nearly 17 per game.
Smith--Somewhat of a quiet year, but the rebounding numbers are good and he is a steady scorer.
Finish with Baker from Centenary-- Don't like to put a kid on a non-copntending team on the list, but the producitve numbers are there, and he can't be blamed for the huge ball-handling issues in the Cyclone backcourt.

COY-- TBD
ROY-- Washington in a landslide
POY-- Shawell.

Hope this starts some conversation.


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 18, 2008, 08:45:18 AM
Quote from: chairman on February 18, 2008, 01:06:24 AM
All-PAC Squad the Final Edition--First Draft
I've decided to use Post #200 to throw out an All-PAC team and see what others have to offer back.

1st team:
POTY- Shawell... Seen him play twice in person. First time he looked mortal. The second time he hit tough shot after tough shot. Can't dispute the winning. If he is not unanimous there is some big time chicanery going on.

Baumunk... Misericordia 57% shooting and 16 and 6.5. Can only speak for what I've seen, but he has been very impressive in the two times I've seen him. Misericordia is right n the thick of things, and he is a huge part of what they do.

Finklea--Immac.... Looked special in the one game I saw him. Good passer and scorer. He can take over a game.

Washington-- CAB--Truly a special offensive talent. Defensive is a little suspicious at times, but the scoring is brilliant.

The Fifth spot is tough.... Go with Talley from GMC, but might be persuaded to go other directions if things move this week. He is the most dynamic scorer on a team that has battled back to earn a playoff spot.


2nd team:

King- Alvernia I moved him on to the second team only because I've not seen him create his own shot. Great range at the offensive end and  he does great work on the defensive boards.
Reid-- Very difficult to stop in the post.
Patrick-- Neumann-- I hate myself for this, but you can't argue with his talent, and when he decides he wants to play he can single-handedly win games. I'd rather vote for E. Hitchens, but Patrick does score nearly 17 per game.
Smith--Somewhat of a quiet year, but the rebounding numbers are good and he is a steady scorer.
Finish with Baker from Centenary-- Don't like to put a kid on a non-copntending team on the list, but the producitve numbers are there, and he can't be blamed for the huge ball-handling issues in the Cyclone backcourt.

COY-- TBD
ROY-- Washington in a landslide
POY-- Shawell.

Hope this starts some conversation.




What about that talented Eastern squad? 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 18, 2008, 08:50:42 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 17, 2008, 10:08:14 PM
I cannot watch games at the D3 level anymore so I am graduating...

Flyguy, it appears as though all you did on the return trip down the NE ext. was stew over the performance of one team and figure they stood for the entire division.  Maybe you even ascended that crazy tree I thought your alter ego often climbed not so long ago. 

I'm glad you took the night to sleep on it and rejoin the fray here as we begin close a chapter on the PAC Chat Room.
[/quote]

Jon,

We definitely talked Flyer down from the edge.  Obviously, blowing off steam after another frustrating loss.  Monday is new day.  I'll enjoy the last weeks of the PAC.  Who knows what lies ahead for the Cavs and the rest of the remaining PAC members.  I'll miss the interesting banter I've experienced over the last couple of weeks when the season and PAC is over.
[/quote]


Good point about St Louis.....thx Jon.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 18, 2008, 09:30:52 AM
Flyer--

I've seen them play in almost every game this year. Six or seven of them have looked like All-PAC Performers in a given game or couple games this year, but those same guys will come back with a four point/two rebound effort the next night. Reels and Miller are a year away. Johnson has not been enough of a threat to score-- not nearly the shot-blocking presence this year, and his rebounding has been spotty. Flanagan has been spectacular when he is on, but he has days where he won't pull the trigger, and shooters need to shoot.

I love them all, but I won't put any in my first 10 for now. I reserve the right to amend after Thursday's game. I hope I get to. I was just trying to get conversation going, and that is my honest all-PAC team for now.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 18, 2008, 10:47:39 AM
Quote from: chairman on February 18, 2008, 09:30:52 AM
Flyer--

I've seen them play in almost every game this year. Six or seven of them have looked like All-PAC Performers in a given game or couple games this year, but those same guys will come back with a four point/two rebound effort the next night. Reels and Miller are a year away. Johnson has not been enough of a threat to score-- not nearly the shot-blocking presence this year, and his rebounding has been spotty. Flanagan has been spectacular when he is on, but he has days where he won't pull the trigger, and shooters need to shoot.

I love them all, but I won't put any in my first 10 for now. I reserve the right to amend after Thursday's game. I hope I get to. I was just trying to get conversation going, and that is my honest all-PAC team for now.




I respectfully agree with you cannot argue that point about EU.

King I feel is better than what  he gets credit for though, and makes those around him better as well.

Randy Reid if he could finish better or had a better move to the basket in the low post would be arguably a legend at that position so he may just
have sneaked into the spot you designated.

Shawell I agree with you 100%   Baumunk is a silent killer!

Washington great but a defensive liability at times although he could increase in value even more with these new teams coming into the conference next year.

How about Hyman as honorable mention somewhere though?

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 18, 2008, 11:11:00 AM
Hyman is right there... Baker's numbers are so strong, and Immac has faded a little as of late. If Immac were still a lock for second, I think I flip them. I hate to see an all-league spot go to a kid on a buried team, but Centnary's issues are so clearly ball-handling and depth that I don't feel he should be off completely.

I'd love to see everyone else come up with something as well.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 18, 2008, 09:43:25 PM
eastern up 53-52 with 6 to play.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 18, 2008, 09:57:14 PM
After going up 2-0, Misericordia trailed by as many as 14 points and didn't lead again until 2:11 to play to beat Immaclulata, 73-65.

Vinny Baumunk went over 1,000 career points, including three (3) three-pointers in three minutes, the final one putting the Cougars ahead.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 18, 2008, 10:12:22 PM
The Eastern/Cabrini game has been over for at least 10 seconds - where's the updated matrix?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 18, 2008, 10:15:12 PM
Sorry, I was listening to the webcast, which just got to the 2-minute warning.

2008 PAC MB Matrix (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2008/2/6/2008%20MB%20Matrix.pdf)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 18, 2008, 10:18:24 PM
I was watching the live stats and they had the longest 30-second timeout in history.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 18, 2008, 11:33:56 PM
Very long game tonight for the Eagles, who now, barring a Centenary Miracle,  have to win their way in on Thursday at Immaculata. One quick observation about the game. The advantage of being a very balanced team with a lot of guys who can score is that it is tough for the opposition to key on one particular player. The problem with it is that sometimes it is tough for your own team to key on one player as well. Williams was fantastic tonight. The Jeff Dailey thing is a very emotional thing for him, and I think it meant a lot to him.
The rest of the Eastern team didn't look like they wanted to take the gift that Cabrini tried to hand them. Thursday IS a playoff game.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 18, 2008, 11:34:00 PM
Yes, I see you my many "guest" friends.  I have been found out.  It wasn't like I was really trying to hide who I was.  

Congrats to Cabrini for returning to the playoffs after a 2 year absence.  Have to win 3 to win it all.  Packed house tonight at the Dixon Center.  Pride coach you called it.  

Flyer, roadtrip?  We will see depending on time of game.  EU has a tough road ahead at IU.  But IU reeling... 4 losses in a row-- but last game at home.  

Helloooo Neumann, don't lose to Centenary. EU rooting against you.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 18, 2008, 11:39:25 PM
so are the Macs in 4th or second as we speak... D3hoops standind have them at for the Matrix has them at 2? i believe the Matrix even tho its a 3 way tie
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 18, 2008, 11:51:31 PM
PAC Fans,

Quick game in the PEC tonight...it was over in time to catch the last 10-plus on livestats from the Dixon Center.

Here's how I see a few things...someone correct me if they see otherwise.

1. Alvernia Top Seed
2. If Eastern gets in with 8 wins [5. Cabrini, 6. Eastern], 9 wins [5. Eastern, 6. Cabrini].  If Neumann gets in  [5. Cabrini, 6. Neumann]
3. IU, GMC, Mis are 2, 3, 4 in some combination.
     a.  One of GMC/Mis will finish 11-5, the other 10-6
     b.  If IU beats Eastern
          i.  IU holds tb over Mis for 2
          ii. IU/GMC comes down to a coin flip for 2 (identical record vs. all PAC schools, no non-conference differences)
     c.  If IU loses to Eastern
          i.  IU holds tb over Mis for 3 (hosts Cabrini, Mis hosts Eastern)
          ii. IU holds tb over GMC with 1-1 record vs. Mis
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 18, 2008, 11:52:57 PM
HIdeUmm,

Please pay no attention to either the man behind the curtain or the rank order of tied teams in the matrix.  I have not broken any ties on the matrix and don't even list the teams in alphabetical order.  It is a completely random assignment.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 19, 2008, 12:01:44 AM
so if the Macs win on Thursday and Miseri beats GMC again the Macs get 2. If the Macs and GMC wins it goes to a coin flip??? Just trying to understand the tiebreakers. I thank you for your help everyone...
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 19, 2008, 12:05:06 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 18, 2008, 11:34:00 PM
Yes, I see you my many "guest" friends.  I have been found out.  It wasn't like I was really trying to hide who I was.  

Congrats to Cabrini for returning to the playoffs after a 2 year absence.  Have to win 3 to win it all.  Packed house tonight at the Dixon Center.  Pride coach you called it.  

Flyer, roadtrip?  We will see depending on time of game.  EU has a tough road ahead at IU.  But IU reeling... 4 losses in a row-- but last game at home.  

Helloooo Neumann, don't lose to Centenary. EU rooting against you.


Beautiful night for Cavs fans ehh.....  Heart goes out to the Dailey family.

Difference in the game was the EU turnovers and Reid down low. 

JON.... could you tell us all in English who will play who and when since you seem to be the most rational one of the crowd and where the games will be next.

Alvernia is obvious now.   2 plays 6 and 3 plays 5  who plays 4 ?  Holy Cow I am screwed up now.  Don't  even tell me there will tiebreakers.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 19, 2008, 12:08:50 AM
HIdeUmm,

Don't hold me to that as gospel truth.  I was just looking at some scenarios and that's what I came up with.  The Macs hold the h2h with Misericordia based on record vs. Alvernia.  The Macs and GMC have a few common opponents on the non-conference schedule, but the results are the same against each one.  #5 in the tie-breaker procedure does say that a coin flip will then break ties for seeds 2-5.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 19, 2008, 12:11:33 AM
Flyguy,

Keep serving up easy ones like that and I'll be a full dues paying member of the Karma Police before the playoffs hit...just in time to take this show to the Freedom Board and start smiting people...

1 and 2 both get byes for the quarterfinal round

6 is @ 3
5 is @ 4

1 gets the lowest seed remaining (highest number) which is either #6 or winner of 4/5
2 gets the other team
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 19, 2008, 01:12:07 AM
Done working...So I'll talk now.

As I mentioned before, and I think we see what I meant. As talented as the Eastern players are, there is no single All-Conference player, and that might be their undoing. They desperately needed someone to throw the other guys on his back and say come along for the ride. Everyone looked far to willing to pass the ball (and the responsibility) and they seemed to invent new ways to give the ball away in the last five minutes of the first half, which IMO is where the game was lost. Cabrini was not getting production from Reid or Washington and seemed very disoriented on offense and Eastern wasted possession after possession with missed FT's, easy shots or turnovers. Eastern missed maybe 12 first half lay-ups. They had a chance to run away and hide, and they didn't.

A great battle to cut an 8 point lead to one in the last three minutes, but at some point someone needs to step up and do it. Miller and Reels have at times this year looked like they might make a run at being that guy, but tonight both were MIA --7 points between the two.

Come on Cyclones. DO IT! We are not too proud to take a back door.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 19, 2008, 09:42:54 AM
Quote from: Jon on February 19, 2008, 12:11:33 AM
Flyguy,

Keep serving up easy ones like that and I'll be a full dues paying member of the Karma Police before the playoffs hit...just in time to take this show to the Freedom Board and start smiting people...

1 and 2 both get byes for the quarterfinal round

6 is @ 3
5 is @ 4

1 gets the lowest seed remaining (highest number) which is either #6 or winner of 4/5
2 gets the other team


Thx Jon,

When you are out of the playoffs for 2 years it is unusual for Cabrini so I forgot how it works already.   I wasn't sure about the bye anymore. 

So... if Neuman wins EU is out ??? even if EU beats IMMAC or only if IMMAC beats EU right... I think so, maybe, Jon who the heck will Cabrini play next if EU wins?       If EU loses ??  (assuming Neuman wins in both scenarios)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 19, 2008, 10:16:49 AM
Flyer,

Eastern is the one that controls its own destiny.  If the Eagles win, they are in regardless of what Neumann does. 

If Eastern loses and Neumann wins, the Knights are in.  If they both lose, Eastern is in.

Cabrini is fifth if Eastern loses and six if Eastern wins.  The Cavs will be on the road at either Immaculata, Gwynedd-Mercy, or Misericordia on Saturday.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 19, 2008, 10:33:17 AM
Glad to see Flyer didn't suffer any serious injuries when he jumped off the bandwagon over the weekend.



Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 19, 2008, 01:19:05 PM
Quote from: Jon on February 19, 2008, 10:16:49 AM
Flyer,

Eastern is the one that controls its own destiny.  If the Eagles win, they are in regardless of what Neumann does. 

If Eastern loses and Neumann wins, the Knights are in.  If they both lose, Eastern is in.

Cabrini is fifth if Eastern loses and six if Eastern wins.  The Cavs will be on the road at either Immaculata, Gwynedd-Mercy, or Misericordia on Saturday.


Jon,
Thank you again matrix guru.  You deserve a raise. 

Mailsy, I don't feel like driving to nowhere again. Reading is good enough.  Nothing against Misery but the mountains don't do anything for me.  I thought about buying some land up there but I don't think so (Carbon or Potter county) the winters are too long up there I think I would go insane. Maybe the Pa lumberjack festival up on Rte 6 would be fun though.

Pocono Raceway in the summer maybe, Knoebel's, camping or skiing and the scenery are nice but I guess it would be easy to stay focused and get a 4.0 up there.

Should bring my bow up there and get me a buck for a taxidermist or wake up a bear for some excitement.   They do have a nice Pizza place on 309 South by Harvey's Lake.  They gotta fix their potholes up there too.   

   

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 19, 2008, 01:23:16 PM
Well, the EU players have completely disappointed me.  FT's, baby, FT's!  NO leadership, either.  Does EU even have a captain?  It seems not.  The only way EU gets into the PAC playoffs is if Neumann loses, cuz there is no way EU beats Immaculata in its present condition.  Let's say Neumann does lose (somebody figure those odds please, and does Centenary even have the brains to realize it can be a spoiler?), EU will not have a chance in the first playoff game.  Take the timer out, cuz this goose is cooked!  Good luck, PAC.  EU will miss you; we are already looking to the MAC to get beat up even more.  I think I might even become an Alvernia fan.  At least I know what to expect from the Crusaders - toughness and a winning attitude.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 19, 2008, 01:27:11 PM
Playoffs start Thursday at Immaculata for the Eagles. All things considered, Eastern's position is better than Neumann's but not nearly as good as Cabrini.'s. The Eagles interior players will need to hit shots to beat Immaculata. Lefty... thanks for making me laugh this morning. Needed it after last night.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 19, 2008, 01:34:55 PM
Chairman,

No charge for the chuckle.  That's what I'm here for.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 19, 2008, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 19, 2008, 01:23:16 PM
Well, the EU players have completely disappointed me.  FT's, baby, FT's!  NO leadership, either.  Does EU even have a captain?  It seems not.  The only way EU gets into the PAC playoffs is if Neumann loses, cuz there is no way EU beats Immaculata in its present condition.  What a joke EU is this year.  Let's say Neumann does lose (somebody figure those odds please, and does Centenary even have the brains to realize it can be a spoiler?), EU will not have a chance in the first playoff game.  Take the timer out, cuz this goose is cooked!  Good luck, PAC.  EU will miss you; we are already looking to the MAC to get beat up even more.  I think I might even become an Alvernia fan.  At least I know what to expect from the Crusaders - toughness and a winning attitude.

At least you are a realist Chiz.    Go have a beer.     See you at the Vern.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 19, 2008, 01:44:48 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 19, 2008, 01:19:05 PM
Quote from: Jon on February 19, 2008, 10:16:49 AM
Flyer,

Eastern is the one that controls its own destiny.  If the Eagles win, they are in regardless of what Neumann does. 

If Eastern loses and Neumann wins, the Knights are in.  If they both lose, Eastern is in.

Cabrini is fifth if Eastern loses and six if Eastern wins.  The Cavs will be on the road at either Immaculata, Gwynedd-Mercy, or Misericordia on Saturday.


Jon,
Thank you again matrix guru.  You deserve a raise. 

Mailsy, I don't feel like driving to nowhere again. Reading is good enough.  Nothing against Misery but the mountains don't do anything for me.  I thought about buying some land up there but I don't think so (Carbon or Potter county) the winters are too long up there I think I would go insane. Maybe the Pa lumberjack festival up on Rte 6 would be fun though.

Pocono Raceway in the summer maybe, Knoebel's, camping or skiing and the scenery are nice but I guess it would be easy to stay focused and get a 4.0 up there.

Should bring my bow up there and get me a buck for a taxidermist or wake up a bear for some excitement.   They do have a nice Pizza place on 309 South by Harvey's Lake.  They gotta fix their potholes up there too.  

  



Flyer,

It does no one any good to insult someone's home.  You may not like the Mountain air, you don't have to.  But people in the mountains, don't like the suburban air that you or I may like. 

If you don't want to travel too far.  Hope that EU wins against IU and then you'll only have to drive a shorter distance.   If EU wins than you would have your choice of GMC(if they lose--Miseri moves to 2nd place) or IU on a coin flip.  Neither place is going to be easy.  GMC would want revenge for the Cavs beating them on their home court and IU would want to just stop the bleeding.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 19, 2008, 04:50:29 PM
Mailsy,

I was not trying to insult anyone or their home, just semantics.  I love the mountain air itself so crisp and clean no pollution with lots of critters in nature's natural habitat. 

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 19, 2008, 04:54:23 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 19, 2008, 04:50:29 PM
Mailsy,

I was not trying to insult anyone or their home, just semantics.  I love the mountain air itself so crisp and clean no pollution with lots of critters in nature's natural habitat. 



Flyer,

All in good fun.  I like it up there too, if only to visit for short periods of time.  Any longer I'd have some issues.  Are you going to travel there if that's where they end up?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 19, 2008, 05:19:50 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 19, 2008, 04:54:23 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 19, 2008, 04:50:29 PM
Mailsy,

I was not trying to insult anyone or their home, just semantics.  I love the mountain air itself so crisp and clean no pollution with lots of critters in nature's natural habitat. 



Flyer,

All in good fun.  I like it up there too, if only to visit for short periods of time.  Any longer I'd have some issues.  Are you going to travel there if that's where they end up?

Absolutely and I am bringing a secret weapon.   The fans up there are classy though and are not ignorant or obnoxious like some places I have been over the years.  They win with class and lose with class.   I am only joking as well the mountains are a beautiful place and the potholes were from the snow and salt on the ground.  They get real snow up there.

Just don't feel like getting an oil change yet but if I have to drive up there I will have to get one to be honest. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 19, 2008, 09:07:05 PM
I was hoping to be able to craft my own draft of an All-PAC team, but i think it will be more efficient to start with chairman #200 and work from there.

Quote from: chairman on February 18, 2008, 01:06:24 AM
1st team:
POTY- Shawell... Seen him play twice in person. First time he looked mortal. The second time he hit tough shot after tough shot. Can't dispute the winning. If he is not unanimous there is some big time chicanery going on.

Baumunk... Misericordia 57% shooting and 16 and 6.5. Can only speak for what I've seen, but he has been very impressive in the two times I've seen him. Misericordia is right n the thick of things, and he is a huge part of what they do.

Finklea--Immac.... Looked special in the one game I saw him. Good passer and scorer. He can take over a game.

Washington-- CAB--Truly a special offensive talent. Defensive is a little suspicious at times, but the scoring is brilliant.

The Fifth spot is tough.... Go with Talley from GMC, but might be persuaded to go other directions if things move this week. He is the most dynamic scorer on a team that has battled back to earn a playoff spot.

Shawell (POY) is spot on.  Scores often and late, which is the better measure of the player.  I'll take Talley and Finklea as well.  Talley went a bit nuts against the Vern the first time around in the PEC this year.  He made everything he looked at in the first half. 

I won't necessarily line up my all-conference teams by position, but I do like to think about the five of them on the floor at the same time.  With Finklea creating and having Shawell and Talley as options I like my chances already.  Baumunk gives me three juniors who are over 1,000 points for their careers, and I like the effort I get from him, along with the 16.5 and 6.5.

I'll take King over Washington for my fifth spot.  The scoring numbers are comparable, but King is a better rebounder and trails only Baker in defensive boards.  For someone who leads the conference in FT% (Washington, .831), I would like to see him at the line more than just three times per game.  Especially considering he was in that 88-foul festival down in Radnor in the early season.

Quote from: chairman on February 18, 2008, 01:06:24 AM
2nd team:

King- Alvernia I moved him on to the second team only because I've not seen him create his own shot. Great range at the offensive end and  he does great work on the defensive boards.
Reid-- Very difficult to stop in the post.
Patrick-- Neumann-- I hate myself for this, but you can't argue with his talent, and when he decides he wants to play he can single-handedly win games. I'd rather vote for E. Hitchens, but Patrick does score nearly 17 per game.
Smith--Somewhat of a quiet year, but the rebounding numbers are good and he is a steady scorer.
Finish with Baker from Centenary-- Don't like to put a kid on a non-copntending team on the list, but the producitve numbers are there, and he can't be blamed for the huge ball-handling issues in the Cyclone backcourt.

Washington then starts my second team for the reasons listed above and his teammate Reid joins him here.  I feel like he's been the steadying factor at Cabrini in its recent turmoil and he both deserves the spot and has earned it.

I don't know why, but I feel like I'm slighting Smith by putting him on the second team.  I don't know who he would bump off the first team, but I watch him rebound and work in the post and feel like he averages 18 and 10.  He appears to be the most polished post player, but this league seems to have a longer history of face-up than back-to the basket.

I liked Baker too the first (and only) time I saw him.  He's worthy of a second team spot.

The final second team spot and subsequent HMs are tough to juggle.  I find myself looking for statistical reasons not to also go with Patrick here.  He's second in the league in scoring, he makes free throws and gets to the line.  Other players I would consider here, who will likely fill out the HMs, are Hyman (probably my choice to replace Patrick if I do), Eli Hitchens, Bradley (I recognize and reward effort), and Linton (we couldn't stay in front of him at home).

Quote from: chairman on February 18, 2008, 01:06:24 AM
COY-- TBD
ROY-- Washington in a landslide
POY-- Shawell.

COY - If we're still waiting for games to be played for this, then it's gotta be the Misericordia/GMC game.  I lean toward Woodruff at this point.  The Cougars neither blow out nor get blown out.  They are 7-1 at home in conference games and still have an eye on a first-round bye.

ROY - I'll second the Washington vote

POY - See above.

Quote from: chairman on February 18, 2008, 01:06:24 AM
Hope this starts some conversation.

Conversations started...
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 19, 2008, 11:33:56 PM
Looks like Centenary put forth a good effort, but the Eagles will have to earn their way in. If Eastern gets in all six teams in the playoffs from a nine team league will have a winning record in Conference play. Don't know what that is worth, but that is something.

Jon-- Do we really have the same ten guys on our All-PAC team? Lefty- Weigh in and we will make it official. COY is a tough one on several levels. If Misericordia beats GMC, then I give the nod to Woodruff, but it is hard to go against the job Miller and his staff have done. No players who made significant contributions to the 2006 Champions on the floor this year and losing two ALL-PAC Performers from last year and still they win the league regular season title. Got to give recognition to Coach Miller's staff for this year as well.

Finally-- Chiz, remember that 21 and 22 year old players in Division III basketball are still college students. There are players making millions of dollars who lose games on a regular basis (reference the Minnesota Timberwolves). I know that as you look back at your college career, you would see failures in all kinds of different ways. That these kids endeavor to accomplish something in front of people is no reason to bash them publicly. Root for them, expect the best for them, and hope with them.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 20, 2008, 04:41:02 AM
Quote from: chairman on February 19, 2008, 11:33:56 PM
Finally-- Chiz, remember that 21 and 22 year old players in Division III basketball are still college students. There are players making millions of dollars who lose games on a regular basis (reference the Minnesota Timberwolves). I know that as you look back at your college career, you would see failures in all kinds of different ways. That these kids endeavor to accomplish something in front of people is no reason to bash them publicly. Root for them, expect the best for them, and hope with them.



Really, how do you know that, Chairman?  I think my college career, especially my athletic career was on the opposite side of the spectrum from failure.  And you know I'm right.  In my opinion, college athletes have to take the good with the bad.  I think this is exactly the forum for "bash"ing players, but I wouldn't use that word.  Did they really play with toughness and conviction?  I don't think so.

How would you like me to "bash" them, privately?  Yeah, that has not seemed to work in the last 4 years of these seniors' careers.  And these college students are adults who can handle this.  They know who I am and know what has happened this season.  If they feel good about it, then they are being unrealistic.  If what I said in my last post bothered them, they need to grow up and deal with it.  Life is full of people who are honest and critical about one's performance.  Those people have helped me, not hurt me.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 20, 2008, 08:33:51 AM
Chiz--

You have come so far because of your ability to take criticism. Say what you want to say.

I would agree that their performance against Cabrini was not their best performance of the year, and that the high expectations for this year and this senior class have not yet been met. On the other hand, I feel that your criticism of them has more to do with you not being able to gloat on this board than your genuine support of the coaches, players, families, and schools.

Had you been at the game, you could have spoken with a little more authority on the subject, but in a game of inches, where shots go halfway down and then pop out, where rebounds bounce off multiple players in a scrum and go out of bounds for one team and not the other, where sometimes a carry is called and sometimes it is not, there is always going to be one team that winds up short on the scoreboard-- If there isn't then they play overtime-- Eastern lost to Cabrini, Charles Bush played well, and now they have to beat Immaculata.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 20, 2008, 09:52:08 AM
Chair,

I've only seen teams once, so I don't feel qualified to offer an All-PAC team.

Regarding COY, I'd agree that it's easy to overlook the job that coach Miller has done at Alvernia.

However, they were picked to win the league.

Misericordia was picked in the middle of the PAC - although it's hard to tell since for some strange reason, the pre-season poll is listed in alphabetical order on the PAC website.

Man for the man, the Cougars don't compare to most teams in the league.

Other teams have more physical talent, but Coach Woodruff probably gets more mileage out of his squad.

That's a testament to him and his kids.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 20, 2008, 10:45:56 AM
Quote from: chairman on February 19, 2008, 11:33:56 PM
Jon-- Do we really have the same ten guys on our All-PAC team?

I think there is a pretty good feeling who the top 10-12 players are so it shouldn't be difficult to rank the same top 10.  Like I said, the picture gets the fuzziest in those 10, 11, 12 spots. 

One of our assistants and I tried to predict the final 16 games of the matrix, and when we exchanged picks we were exactly the same.  With two games left I think we're both 12-2.  Point being if you're familiar with the league to a good extent it's not too difficult to rank/predict.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 20, 2008, 12:29:07 PM
I'd have to agree with Chairman - there is no need to blast kids on this site.

They are playing for their own enjoyment, not ours.  We just get to go along for the ride.

Just because a team didn't meet expectations - theirs or ours - doesn't make it right to rip them.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 20, 2008, 01:39:35 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 20, 2008, 12:29:07 PM
They are playing for their own enjoyment, not ours.  We just get to go along for the ride.
Just because a team didn't meet expectations - theirs or ours - doesn't make it right to rip them.

Good point lefty2.  We are there just for the "ride."  We should be there to encourage effort.  Congratulate them when they win and be a support when they don't.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 20, 2008, 02:01:13 PM
Actually this is D3 and the men and women are there to get an education first. How would Chiz feel if it were his son or daughter playing? 
I feel for Chiz though... his passion is high and he cares about the sport for his school.  Kind of how I felt when I was holding onto the bandwagon with one hand until Mailsy, Chair, and Jon rescued me.  Anybody know where Cabrini is playing yet??   I just hope we get to go to the Vern somehow.   Jon I know I am dreaming but the ride would be fun. 

Its all about the fun fun fun fun fun fun for us while the student athletes work their tails off.  Gotta admire all of them.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 20, 2008, 05:19:40 PM
Chiz,

Imagine how it felt for the alumni, and students of Cabrini when we all got screwed out of having the coach with the winningest program in D3 and just missing his 500th win because of some ridiculous power struggle with puppets.

Have to move on though and battle through it despite it all.   Now it is just starting to get better even though the Cavs are working their butts off and have nothing to show for it sometimes.   They have worked just as hard as the other schools with top seeds and coaches but are just hanging on for the playoffs.  EU is working just as hard but as Lefty says sometimes the little things just don' t happen at the right time.   

Keep your head up.  It will only make your team better.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 20, 2008, 09:32:11 PM
Lefty--

I would not disagree with Woodruff being named COY. His players have performed at much higher level than they did the year before, I think the Misericordia team had some good things going for it in returning nearly the entire core from last year. Baumunk, Hornak, and Roa are all really solid players who are overlooked in some things, but really play well together and mix in well with the rest of the players on the squad.

Alvernia was picked to finish first, but they lost last year's POTY and a super point guard. The Crusaders played with a very short rotation and still managed to overcome injuries to Westmorland and win down the stretch. Miller didn't get the award last year because of the argument that they were simply the most talented team in the league and Immac made huge strides. I had no problem with that, but I also think that if a team is the "most talented" team year in and year out, then that coach probably needs to get the award every other year or so.  I think either choice would be a good one.

It will be interesting to see where the chips fall when the coach's vote.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on February 20, 2008, 09:34:40 PM
Congrats to the Vern for winning their thrid straight PAC regular season championship. This was not an easy feat, especially when everyone is giving their best effort against you.

Which brings me to my next point for COY. I agree with Jon and Lefty2 that Miseri has had a decent year, but does this deserve coach of the year is where I disagree. Jon, I thought that staying close only counts in horseshoes and Lefty2, if you go with your theory with using preseason rankings you could make a case for a team in any league that did better than their preseason ranking.

With the injuries and illnesses that Alvernia has had to overcome this year, I think this was Coach Miller's (and staff) best coaching job yet.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on February 20, 2008, 09:52:08 PM
                            Here are my all PAC picks



                                      First team


Shawell-Averaging over 20,also on the best team with the best record. LOCK FOR PLAYER OF THE YEAR.

Finklea-very good player.Had a 1,000 as a junior.

Baumunk- smart player.Very skilled. Reach a 1,000 as a Junior.

King-good shooter,hit some clutch shots.He is also on the best team with the best record.That's why they win.

Smith-picked smith because the team needs a center.


                                   Second Team


Washington-LOCK FOR FRESHMEN OF THE YEAR. Best 3pt shooter in the PAC. very talented.

Tally- great shooter.When they played at the vern he had 32 and looked really good.

Patrick-good 3pt shooter.Can score when he wants.

Reid-reach a 1,000.Sometimes unstoppable inside.

Hitchens-played very well against the vern.Had a decent year.


POY-Shawell
ROY-Washington
COY-Miller

ALL LOCKS.



Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 20, 2008, 09:59:40 PM
Coach Miller has obviously done a good job keeping the tradition going at Alvernia.

But, it's been said that "good players make good coaches."

My point was that Coach Woodruff has probably gotten more out of less as compared to most other COY candidates.

As far as winning coaches getting overlooked, the Misericordia softball team has played in the PAC championship game 12 straight seasons and has yet to hang a COY plaque on her wall.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 20, 2008, 10:13:13 PM
Check that, Slocum was PAC COY in 2005.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 20, 2008, 10:27:22 PM
I find it interesting that the same people who will do the voting for postseason awards, league coaches, took little stock in the Cougars returning all players (5th place preseason) and the Crusaders losing Etzel and Finger (1st place, 8-of-9 1st place votes).  I think that logic should lead to Shawell being a unanimous player of the year selection.

I'll be interested to see who the coaches pick for coach of the year.  I see the Vern staff operate in the day in, day out grind...I think it would be hard for any staff to work harder.  They have obviously done a terrific job recruiting (which sometimes people want to count against you in COY voting) to have Shawell and King, who could both easily being playing in a higher division, and they work very hard to prepare for every opponent.  I would not be at all surprised to find Miller's name on the award this season.

Chair, Misericordia may have a trio of "solid" players, but after Baumunk there isn't any discussion of any other player on the roster that is being talked about for all conference.  When teams in the league prepare for conference games they fear things like stopping Shawell/King or Wroten/Smith/Talley or Reid/Washington or even Hitchens/Patrick.  The Cougars play hard in their system and force you to make jump shots to beat them...which only the Crusaders have done twice.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 21, 2008, 07:01:26 AM
I would agree with you on all that. My point would be that Miller and the Alvernia staff should not be denied recognition for what I think is a terrific coaching job just because they were perceived to be more talented.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 21, 2008, 09:22:00 AM
Quote from: Jon on February 20, 2008, 10:27:22 PM
I find it interesting that the same people who will do the voting for postseason awards, league coaches, took little stock in the Cougars returning all players (5th place preseason) and the Crusaders losing Etzel and Finger (1st place, 8-of-9 1st place votes).  I think that logic should lead to Shawell being a unanimous player of the year selection.

I'll be interested to see who the coaches pick for coach of the year.  I see the Vern staff operate in the day in, day out grind...I think it would be hard for any staff to work harder.  They have obviously done a terrific job recruiting (which sometimes people want to count against you in COY voting) to have Shawell and King, who could both easily being playing in a higher division, and they work very hard to prepare for every opponent.  I would not be at all surprised to find Miller's name on the award this season.

Chair, Misericordia may have a trio of "solid" players, but after Baumunk there isn't any discussion of any other player on the roster that is being talked about for all conference.  When teams in the league prepare for conference games they fear things like stopping Shawell/King or Wroten/Smith/Talley or Reid/Washington or even Hitchens/Patrick.  The Cougars play hard in their system and force you to make jump shots to beat them...which only the Crusaders have done twice.



Lets see who wins the PAC and decide the COY.  Could be a surprise.  If Miseri wins the PAC Woodruff deserves the honor.   If the Vern wins Miller deserves the honor.
If the MACs win Chadwin deserves the honor.  IF GMC wins it then Baron deserves the honor.  Could be some surprises this year, and don't count out EU yet.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 21, 2008, 09:39:54 AM
FlyGuy,

I believe the voting will be in by the time the PAC Championship is decided, so feel free to toss your vote to Miller for the Crusaders winning the regular season.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 21, 2008, 12:02:17 PM
Quote from: Jon on February 21, 2008, 09:39:54 AM
FlyGuy,

I believe the voting will be in by the time the PAC Championship is decided, so feel free to toss your vote to Miller for the Crusaders winning the regular season.

I cast my vote for Miller and a leftover slice of pizza after the Crusaders win the PAC in Reading.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 21, 2008, 01:39:26 PM
Flyer,

I'm sure there will be plenty of Rosa's Pizza around here all week.  Feel free to swing by for a slice.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on February 21, 2008, 07:01:45 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 19, 2008, 01:23:16 PM
Well, the EU players have completely disappointed me.  FT's, baby, FT's!  NO leadership, either.  Does EU even have a captain?  It seems not.  The only way EU gets into the PAC playoffs is if Neumann loses, cuz there is no way EU beats Immaculata in its present condition.  Let's say Neumann does lose (somebody figure those odds please, and does Centenary even have the brains to realize it can be a spoiler?), EU will not have a chance in the first playoff game.  Take the timer out, cuz this goose is cooked!  Good luck, PAC.  EU will miss you; we are already looking to the MAC to get beat up even more.  I think I might even become an Alvernia fan.  At least I know what to expect from the Crusaders - toughness and a winning attitude.

When I wrote this, I was expressing my feelings about the performance, effort, etc. of EU's players.  Making a statement about how EU will do in the playoffs (if it gets there), v. Immaculata, or in the MAC was more rhetorical than anything.  Of course I am going to be an EU fan and not an Alvernia fan.  I wrote these things knowing that some players read this and know who I am.  While they might not respect me any more, my hope at the time was that they would see this and know that they need to step it up for the game tonight and hopefully in the conference playoffs.

It seems that I miscommunicated and overstated, and in doing so I offended many.  It was wrong of me to write such things.  To anyone offended and/or hurt, I apologize for being so harsh, sarcastic, and insensitive.  To the EU team and associated community, I apologize and wish the best for you.  I hope that my love for the program, players, coaches, etc. can still be seen and felt, however misguided it is.

EU men - best of luck in tonight's game.  Go Eagles!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 21, 2008, 09:54:02 PM
Misericordia came back from 14-down to beat Gwynedd-Mercy.

Eastern is down by one in the final seconds at Immaculata.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 21, 2008, 09:56:12 PM
Immaculata wins 65-64.

Immaculata is the two seed, Misericordia is third.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 21, 2008, 10:08:37 PM
Wow, nice comeback for Miseri.  GMC lost there cool.  GMC had a lot of chances to win and pull away... but Miseri was tougher tonight.

Playoffs:  Alvernia #1 and Immaculata #2.  Both get byes. 
Neumann #6 at Misericordia #3?
Cabrini #5 at Gwynedd #4?

What time are the games? Good luck to Cabrini!  Go Cavs!!!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Chris Panter, GMC SID on February 21, 2008, 10:13:36 PM
the game is at 2 p.m. here on Saturday...FYI
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 21, 2008, 10:18:56 PM
Anyone have the tip time for the game at Misericordia on Saturday.

I watched the last 3-4 minutes of the Immaculata/Eastern webcast.  Williams got through the entire IU defense on the final possession and couldn't quite convert the layup.  Looked like an over-packed house at IU tonight.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 21, 2008, 10:22:29 PM
Per the Misericordia website, 2:00 start on Saturday.

Don't believe everything you read though - it originally had the Cougars playing Cabrini.

It's tough to get good help these days.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 21, 2008, 10:55:03 PM
I put the Matrix up for the final time.  Saturday looks like two good ones.  Those who are traveling be safe, we'll save some seats in the PEC on Tuesday.

2008 PAC MB Matrix (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2008/2/6/2008%20MB%20Matrix.pdf)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 21, 2008, 10:59:26 PM
ALUMNEA WAS ROCKIN' TONIGHT!!!! OVERLY PACKED IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT IU FANS DROWNED OUT THE KINDA LOUD EU FANS!!!! CRAZINESS!!!!!  TOUGH PERFORMANCE BY EASTERN BUT 1 POINT WINS THE GAME... 2ND SEED IS A LOCK.... THANKS MISERI...
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on February 21, 2008, 11:11:10 PM
 In the EU at IU, That was a horrible foul call, that they call under the basket down the stretch.I don't know who the foul was on ,but I know they fouled Flannigan. Then, after the Time out those were horrible match ups eastern had on the Macs.Brent Williams went through the whole team, and kinda double clutch it and missed the lay up,almost got the put back, but missed.Congrats to the Mighty Macs.Tough one for Eastern. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 22, 2008, 11:09:52 AM
Tough one last night for the Eagles. I'm not sure what call you are talking about, but if it is the one that sent Flanagan to the line with 17 seconds left, it had to be made. One guy had his jersey and the other guy tripped him up. I had the same look at it as the official who made the call and it was too obvious to ignore.

Another courageous effort from Williams down the stretch. Finklea was very good again.

On a side-bar. the EU women won their 4th PAC game of the year in another one point game. Mandy Kuiken closed out her career with a school record seven threes.

Congrats to Immaculata
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 22, 2008, 12:09:58 PM
Funny that play should come up.  I was focused on Leegwater who had good position in the post and thought the foul was called there.  I didn't even see Flanagan and was surprised to see him heading to the line.

I hear there are rumblings in the MAC Freedom room with the Eastern women entering the conference on a roll.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 22, 2008, 02:20:24 PM
do the Macs play the winner of the 3/6 game no matter what? or if 6 wins alvernia gets them and iu gets the winner of the 4/5. Cabrini's website says the Macs get the winner of the 3/6 game thats why im asking...

on the foul call... do  really have to call an off the ball foul with 17 ticks left??? Kind of cheap i think... the fouls were 12-8...IU with the 12... @ home
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 22, 2008, 02:51:04 PM
Quote from: HIdeUmm on February 22, 2008, 02:20:24 PM
do the Macs play the winner of the 3/6 game no matter what? or if 6 wins alvernia gets them and iu gets the winner of the 4/5. Cabrini's website says the Macs get the winner of the 3/6 game thats why im asking...

on the foul call... do  really have to call an off the ball foul with 17 ticks left??? Kind of cheap i think... the fouls were 12-8...IU with the 12... @ home

HIdeUmm,

Website at Cabrini is incorrect.  I believe The Vern would play lowest seed remaining and IU would get the highest seed remaining.  So Vern could play Neumann, Cabrini or Gwynedd.  IU could play Miseri, Cabrini or Gwynedd.  All depends on what upsets might happen or not happen.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 22, 2008, 02:57:39 PM
thats what i thought it was but I second guessed myself because of the website...
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 22, 2008, 03:10:18 PM
mailsy's got it right with the Vern hosting the lower seed and IU hosting the higher one on Tuesday.

On the foul call...yes.  Flanagan gets shots by running around without the ball.  If you grab and/or trip him it gives you a decided advantage.  I'm not sure I'd be calling that situation cheap, and I'm fairly certain the foul count, at home or on the road, does not dictate how a game is called in the final minute...on a side note, 12-8 is nothing in foul discrepancy. 

Take a look at the final two possessions of that game and see how that foul called on Flanagan set the tone for the way defense was played (or not played).
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 22, 2008, 03:20:56 PM
thats a good point... i understand that 12-8 isnt a big difference... however at the 12:10 mark in the game IU had 7 team fouls and EU had 2... It wasnt that it was inconsistent it was that fouls were called in bunches and to call an off the ball foul with 17 seconds left is questionable. Now I do believe that may have hurt EU because the shot clock was off and that call give te Macs the ball back and IU converted the game winner. I would thinK that in that situation they run the clock down to around ten then attack the basket and kick out for a shot and time for a tip in if needed... So anyway you look at it it changed the game i think
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 22, 2008, 03:50:49 PM
HideUmm,
If the situation were reversed, would you have wanted the foul called with 17 seconds left?


Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: MR. PAC on February 22, 2008, 03:59:28 PM
Alvernia might have a tough road in the playoffs. If miseri beats Neumann. Alvernia would get the winner of the Gwynedd,Cabrini game.Gwynedd gave Alvernia a lost at Gwynedd and gave them a little trouble at home.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 22, 2008, 04:07:49 PM
After thinking about it... No because it gave the Macs the opportunity to have the last shot... the Macs just wanted the bucket at anytime it seemed like and werent worried about the time left... I think you should always want the ball in your teams hands at the end of a game like that... thats just me. Without that foul call Eastern would have had the ball down 1... However the diference is they would have had to go the length of the floor with the ball they could have set up a play and tried to take the Last shot. Its a mute point now really but its just the thought. Instead of rushing up full court to take a layup they could have run a half court set and MAY have won... They had a second chance at it they just came up short.... Hell of an effort and foul call or no foul call it was an entertaining game and my hat goes off to the EU players they layed everything they had out on the line for 40 mins and came up 1 point short... its tough. My 100% Respect to them and the coaching staff.  Good Luck in the MAC...
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 22, 2008, 05:53:14 PM
Hello all,

Please understand where I am coming from I have been out plowing snow all night and day making bucks so I am not up to date.   Mailsy I am not going to have time to get the oil changed in my truck so please tell me the Cavs are playing within 50 miles of Cabrini.

I guess EU is out, Neuman is in, and  can someone tell me where the Cabrini game is tomorrow so I can go to the game?  Thanks for understanding since I learned along time ago not to trust websites, or newspapers for times or selections of teams.  All you folks on the board are much more cognizant of what is happening so could someone help me out before I crash tonight so I can get out tomorrow to somewhere....  Thanks for understanding.

Flyer.   
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 22, 2008, 06:39:39 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 22, 2008, 05:53:14 PM
Hello all,

Please understand where I am coming from I have been out plowing snow all night and day making bucks so I am not up to date.   Mailsy I am not going to have time to get the oil changed in my truck so please tell me the Cavs are playing within 50 miles of Cabrini.

I guess EU is out, Neuman is in, and  can someone tell me where the Cabrini game is tomorrow so I can go to the game?  Thanks for understanding since I learned along time ago not to trust websites, or newspapers for times or selections of teams.  All you folks on the board are much more cognizant of what is happening so could someone help me out before I crash tonight so I can get out tomorrow to somewhere....  Thanks for understanding.

Flyer.  

Flyer,
You had a tough day it sounds.  Not me....very relaxed.  Miseri beat GMC at Gwynedd last night and IU beat EU by 1.  The Vern is the 1 seed.  IU has 2 based on tiebreakers over Miseri.  Miseri is 3 and they will host Neumann #6 at 2:00pm.  Gwynedd is 4 and they host our Cavs who finished at #5--game is also at 2:00pm.  Enjoy the game.  I won't be going.  I have a scheduling conflict.  They couldn't have a 7:00pm game?  If Cavs win I'll make time to go to either IU or the Vern Tuesday at 7:00pm.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 22, 2008, 08:10:34 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 22, 2008, 06:39:39 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 22, 2008, 05:53:14 PM
Hello all,

Please understand where I am coming from I have been out plowing snow all night and day making bucks so I am not up to date.   Mailsy I am not going to have time to get the oil changed in my truck so please tell me the Cavs are playing within 50 miles of Cabrini.

I guess EU is out, Neuman is in, and  can someone tell me where the Cabrini game is tomorrow so I can go to the game?  Thanks for understanding since I learned along time ago not to trust websites, or newspapers for times or selections of teams.  All you folks on the board are much more cognizant of what is happening so could someone help me out before I crash tonight so I can get out tomorrow to somewhere....  Thanks for understanding.

Flyer.  

Flyer,
You had a tough day it sounds.  Not me....very relaxed.  Miseri beat GMC at Gwynedd last night and IU beat EU by 1.  The Vern is the 1 seed.  IU has 2 based on tiebreakers over Miseri.  Miseri is 3 and they will host Neumann #6 at 2:00pm.  Gwynedd is 4 and they host our Cavs who finished at #5--game is also at 2:00pm.  Enjoy the game.  I won't be going.  I have a scheduling conflict.  They couldn't have a 7:00pm game?  If Cavs win I'll make time to go to either IU or the Vern Tuesday at 7:00pm.


Thank you Mailsy.

Sorry you won't make it.    The way I feel right now with my back and hip I don't know if I could sit on any bleachers for a couple of hours.  I may not get there either.  I hope Neumann wins but it ain't gonna happen.   Miseri is a pretty good team.  The key word team.     Hopefully the Cavs can sneak by GMC tomorrow and play at the VERN  but who knows thats why they play the games.

Must have been a fun Thursday night maybe not for EU sounds like because of a foul or something.   IU finally won again huh..... waiting to see if the posters for IMMAC come out of the woodwork again.   Be honest.... the Cavs may have a chance at GMC but after that the crystal ball seems dark.  What do you think?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 22, 2008, 11:10:56 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 22, 2008, 08:10:34 PM
Be honest.... the Cavs may have a chance at GMC but after that the crystal ball seems dark.  What do you think?

Flyer,

I'm feeling good. The crystal has got some snow on it, but I'm feeling upbeat about it.  It's getting clearer.  I hope it's right.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Chris Panter, GMC SID on February 22, 2008, 11:28:55 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 22, 2008, 05:53:14 PM
Hello all,

Please understand where I am coming from I have been out plowing snow all night and day making bucks so I am not up to date.   Mailsy I am not going to have time to get the oil changed in my truck so please tell me the Cavs are playing within 50 miles of Cabrini.

I guess EU is out, Neuman is in, and  can someone tell me where the Cabrini game is tomorrow so I can go to the game?  Thanks for understanding since I learned along time ago not to trust websites, or newspapers for times or selections of teams.  All you folks on the board are much more cognizant of what is happening so could someone help me out before I crash tonight so I can get out tomorrow to somewhere....  Thanks for understanding.

Flyer.   

Well, we don't just put any old info on our site to confuse people so they won't come to the games, especially a playoff game.
If you can't make the game, you can try to get the game on 1440 AM WNPV
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 23, 2008, 02:37:13 PM
Halftime at Misericordia - Neumann, 20, Misericordia, 18
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 23, 2008, 04:04:44 PM
Gwynedd beat Cabrini by 15?  Sorry to see that. Great job to the Cavs and Coach Herenda on a fun season.   Congrats to the seniors and good luck to Randy Reid, Bruce MacLelland, Victor O'Connor, & Greg Clifton for being a part of the Cabrini tradition.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 23, 2008, 06:08:00 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 23, 2008, 04:04:44 PM
Gwynedd beat Cabrini by 15?  Sorry to see that. Great job to the Cavs and Coach Herenda on a fun season.   Congrats to the seniors and good luck to Randy Reid, Bruce MacLelland, Victor O'Connor, & Greg Clifton for being a part of the Cabrini tradition.


Good luck seniors, sorry it ended that way but thanks for the memories.  Good job guys for carrying the load over these turbulent years of madness.


6 out of 20  from the line,  substitutions galore,  25 turnovers,  how do you expect to win a game like that?     
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 23, 2008, 06:10:34 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 22, 2008, 11:10:56 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 22, 2008, 08:10:34 PM
Be honest.... the Cavs may have a chance at GMC but after that the crystal ball seems dark.  What do you think?

Flyer,

I'm feeling good. The crystal has got some snow on it, but I'm feeling upbeat about it.  It's getting clearer.  I hope it's right.



OH yeah,  Mailsy, you better trade in that crystal ball or smash it for next year.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 23, 2008, 07:19:28 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 23, 2008, 06:10:34 PM

OH yeah,  Mailsy, you better trade in that crystal ball or smash it for next year.

I said there was snow on it.  Obviously it thawed out and I misread it.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 23, 2008, 10:12:59 PM
By my count the Cougars' defense holding Neumann to 38 points is the lowest output in a PAC playoff game.

Rough shooting by both teams from long range, but it looks like the Cougars saw a trend coming and pounded it inside for the second half.

I'd pay to watch that Mis @ IU game on Tuesday, but I'm getting paid to watch GMC @ The Vern, so I'll be there instead.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 24, 2008, 08:52:50 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 23, 2008, 07:19:28 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 23, 2008, 06:10:34 PM

OH yeah,  Mailsy, you better trade in that crystal ball or smash it for next year.

I said there was snow on it.  Obviously it thawed out and I misread it.


Getting worried that the wool has been pulled over our eyes in Cavalier land once again.     I think there was enough talent on the team to go a little deeper
with the right situations created on the floor by coaching that may not have happened.  I know everyone, its the first year ignorance is bliss.  Only hoping the last AD did not make a blunder.    Hard to watch.   Come back DZIK.

Great match-ups left in the last PAC playoffs.   I am hoping IMMAC pulls it out and surprises everyone.   
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 24, 2008, 10:23:58 AM
The two seed winning would hardly be a surprise.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 24, 2008, 11:18:03 AM
Flyer, while I agree with you that the mass-substitutions are very annoying, and they lead to a very disjointed game, I think that you might be overstating the quantity of talent on the Cavalier roster. I thought the coach did a very good job of protecting his offensive players from foul trouble against Eastern, and they were able to get the wins they needed to make the playoffs.
They made the playoffs with two legitimate scorers and a lot other kids who he got to buy in and play defense and not give the ball away. If Cabrini still plays like this in four years, then your beef is justified, but I am pretty sure that he will bring some pieces in that will allow them to go with a more standard rotation, but he didn't walk into a cupboard is full situation. Washington is going to be a phenomenal scorer, but outside of him, this was the same team that couldn't get out of their own way the past two years.
The Dzik era will never return. There is much more parity in the local basketball scene, and Cabrini is a pretty expensive school, but I do believe that Cabrini will be in the mix for PAC (or whatever they are going to call it) Championships in the near future.
Probably need to wander over to the MAC-Freedom room here pretty soon. Lefty, Jon, Chiz, and any others moving across, I'll see you on the other side.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 24, 2008, 12:31:53 PM
Chairman,

Due to our geography, I've lurked/posted in the Freedom for years.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 24, 2008, 12:33:52 PM
Chair,

We'll see ya on the other side.  We're glad to have some more time here.  I'm hoping to have five days of hoops in the next six. 

As always, webcasts will be available at The Vern homepage (http://athletics.alvernia.edu).
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 24, 2008, 12:37:59 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 24, 2008, 08:52:50 AM

Getting worried that the wool has been pulled over our eyes in Cavalier land once again.     I think there was enough talent on the team to go a little deeper
with the right situations created on the floor by coaching that may not have happened.  I know everyone, its the first year ignorance is bliss.  Only hoping the last AD did not make a blunder.    Hard to watch.   Come back DZIK.

Great match-ups left in the last PAC playoffs.   I am hoping IMMAC pulls it out and surprises everyone.   

Do you really think the wool was pulled over our eyes again?  Was there as much talent as you really believe?  Chairman had it right, it was pretty much the same team from last year that won, what 4-5 games?  The addition of Washington and the improved play of the players got them to 12 wins.  I believe the players definitely bought into his team play.  Yes, is it frustrating to watch the substitution patterns.  Maybe.  But there were obviously reasons why he was doing what he was doing.  Coaches have systems and they get the players to buy into the system.  GH was looking for people to put into the system.  Did he recruit anybody on this years team?  I don't think so.  As chairman said let's see what the next couple of years are like.  If it's the same than you can complain. 

Change is always difficult.  No one really likes it.  Change was going to happen.  Dzik was eventually going to retire anyway.  I don't like that the admin. didn't let him go out on his own terms.  But you know what? Maybe we got it out of the way now.  We were not around when Girard handed the team over to Dzik and Girard, handed Dzik a lot of quality players when he left.  GH didn't have that same luxury with what's his name.  Give him time.  Be happy.  You'll have less stress in your life and you're now getting older, Flyer, so don't take it to so hard.

Anyway I'm rooting for Gwynedd and IU.  Because I want the Cavs the opportunity to knock off the defending champs.  The Vern and Miseri are leaving the PAC.  Best wishes to them, but I don't want them taking the prize with them. Go Griffins!! Go Mighty Macs!!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 24, 2008, 03:05:52 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 24, 2008, 12:37:59 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 24, 2008, 08:52:50 AM

Getting worried that the wool has been pulled over our eyes in Cavalier land once again.     I think there was enough talent on the team to go a little deeper
with the right situations created on the floor by coaching that may not have happened.  I know everyone, its the first year ignorance is bliss.  Only hoping the last AD did not make a blunder.    Hard to watch.   Come back DZIK.

Great match-ups left in the last PAC playoffs.   I am hoping IMMAC pulls it out and surprises everyone.   

Do you really think the wool was pulled over our eyes again?  Was there as much talent as you really believe?  Chairman had it right, it was pretty much the same team from last year that won, what 4-5 games?  The addition of Washington and the improved play of the players got them to 12 wins.  I believe the players definitely bought into his team play.  Yes, is it frustrating to watch the substitution patterns.  Maybe.  But there were obviously reasons why he was doing what he was doing.  Coaches have systems and they get the players to buy into the system.  GH was looking for people to put into the system.  Did he recruit anybody on this years team?  I don't think so.  As chairman said let's see what the next couple of years are like.  If it's the same than you can complain. 

Change is always difficult.  No one really likes it.  Change was going to happen.  Dzik was eventually going to retire anyway.  I don't like that the admin. didn't let him go out on his own terms.  But you know what? Maybe we got it out of the way now.  We were not around when Girard handed the team over to Dzik and Girard, handed Dzik a lot of quality players when he left.  GH didn't have that same luxury with what's his name.  Give him time.  Be happy.  You'll have less stress in your life and you're now getting older, Flyer, so don't take it to so hard.

Anyway I'm rooting for Gwynedd and IU.  Because I want the Cavs the opportunity to knock off the defending champs.  The Vern and Miseri are leaving the PAC.  Best wishes to them, but I don't want them taking the prize with them. Go Griffins!! Go Mighty Macs!!

OK Mailsy,  I may have overdone it again but fundamentals killed us yesterday.
Maybe if you were at the game they would not have lost.   You are right about the stress thing.  I have to become detached from the emotional aspect.  It is only fair to give the coach more time after all this is the best result we have had in the past 3 years.  Should be interestiing to see who and what kind of player Herenda recruits.   

Go MACs,
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 24, 2008, 03:37:32 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 24, 2008, 03:05:52 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 24, 2008, 12:37:59 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 24, 2008, 08:52:50 AM

Getting worried that the wool has been pulled over our eyes in Cavalier land once again.     I think there was enough talent on the team to go a little deeper
with the right situations created on the floor by coaching that may not have happened.  I know everyone, its the first year ignorance is bliss.  Only hoping the last AD did not make a blunder.    Hard to watch.   Come back DZIK.

Great match-ups left in the last PAC playoffs.   I am hoping IMMAC pulls it out and surprises everyone.   

Do you really think the wool was pulled over our eyes again?  Was there as much talent as you really believe?  Chairman had it right, it was pretty much the same team from last year that won, what 4-5 games?  The addition of Washington and the improved play of the players got them to 12 wins.  I believe the players definitely bought into his team play.  Yes, is it frustrating to watch the substitution patterns.  Maybe.  But there were obviously reasons why he was doing what he was doing.  Coaches have systems and they get the players to buy into the system.  GH was looking for people to put into the system.  Did he recruit anybody on this years team?  I don't think so.  As chairman said let's see what the next couple of years are like.  If it's the same than you can complain. 

Change is always difficult.  No one really likes it.  Change was going to happen.  Dzik was eventually going to retire anyway.  I don't like that the admin. didn't let him go out on his own terms.  But you know what? Maybe we got it out of the way now.  We were not around when Girard handed the team over to Dzik and Girard, handed Dzik a lot of quality players when he left.  GH didn't have that same luxury with what's his name.  Give him time.  Be happy.  You'll have less stress in your life and you're now getting older, Flyer, so don't take it to so hard.

Anyway I'm rooting for Gwynedd and IU.  Because I want the Cavs the opportunity to knock off the defending champs.  The Vern and Miseri are leaving the PAC.  Best wishes to them, but I don't want them taking the prize with them. Go Griffins!! Go Mighty Macs!!

OK Mailsy,  I may have overdone it again but fundamentals killed us yesterday.
Maybe if you were at the game they would not have lost.   You are right about the stress thing.  I have to become detached from the emotional aspect.  It is only fair to give the coach more time after all this is the best result we have had in the past 3 years.  Should be interestiing to see who and what kind of player Herenda recruits.  

Go MACs,

Maybe if I was there maybe they would have won.  But then again maybe I would be just as stressed as you were while you watched them play.

It was a fun season.  The place was really rockin' at the end of the season.  The Dixon center was great when the Cavs beat Eastern.  That Buena Vista was probably one of the most exciting games I've ever been to. It was a shame that most of the students missed the game because it was over the break.  Down by 8 with 2 mins to go and they score 11 in a row to win 72-69.  Fantastic. They beat Rowan.  They beat GMC in their building.  There were a lot of exciting games.  Yes of course there were some stinkers.  But they made the playoffs and I'm encouraged for next year.  I hope they find some bigger players for next year.  After Bruce and Randy they seemed a little small but will see what next year brings in the "new" conference. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 24, 2008, 04:51:38 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 24, 2008, 11:18:03 AM
Flyer, while I agree with you that the mass-substitutions are very annoying, and they lead to a very disjointed game, I think that you might be overstating the quantity of talent on the Cavalier roster. I thought the coach did a very good job of protecting his offensive players from foul trouble against Eastern, and they were able to get the wins they needed to make the playoffs.
They made the playoffs with two legitimate scorers and a lot other kids who he got to buy in and play defense and not give the ball away. If Cabrini still plays like this in four years, then your beef is justified, but I am pretty sure that he will bring some pieces in that will allow them to go with a more standard rotation, but he didn't walk into a cupboard is full situation. Washington is going to be a phenomenal scorer, but outside of him, this was the same team that couldn't get out of their own way the past two years.
The Dzik era will never return. There is much more parity in the local basketball scene, and Cabrini is a pretty expensive school, but I do believe that Cabrini will be in the mix for PAC (or whatever they are going to call it) Championships in the near future.
Probably need to wander over to the MAC-Freedom room here pretty soon. Lefty, Jon, Chiz, and any others moving across, I'll see you on the other side.

Chairman, I get your point but I just hope your evaluation and assessment of the new staff is accurate.   They are great guys with the fans and alumni but one may question the strategic plan or seemingly lack of a strategic plan for each game played.  At times it seems to me (my opinion) that they may have had a game or two in their pocket and through rotations or subs they appear to have let it slip away.  Granted, if I am ignorant about protecting players I apologize whole heartedly.   Also you cannot fault the coach for not paying attention or turning the ball over at crucial times nor missing foul shots for that matter.  But as a coach should the team maybe have practiced foul shots all day or something?  Sound juvenile but...........    also at points in certain games I don't know if the best players were on the floor. 

Hoping the staff and coach bring in some new blood with their connections and start really turning the program around.   I realize getting blood out of a stone is a hard job based on the amount of talent there was out there as you claim.  I realize the Dzik era is gone forever.  Moving on though.

I admit the level of talent may not have been what I expected but I thought they woulda coulda shoulda won a couple of important games but choked on doing the little things.   Guess this was the identity of the team as you claim could not get out of their own way.   On any account... they are toast now so time to enjoy the other games.  Thank you for your response.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 24, 2008, 09:09:02 PM
From everything I hear, the coach is working his face off on the recruiting trail as well. Sometimes that results in a great class and sometimes it doesn't, but I think he will get players over the next couple years. He doesn't have delusions about trying to recruit nationally, but it seems like he is trying to tie into the network of alumni to try to get local talent.

There is a difference now from what it used to be in that as good a job as he does, he still won't have admissions and financial aid in his pocket.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on February 24, 2008, 10:12:54 PM
WolfFlyerPac,

I appreciate your passion, but with your shoot first and ask questions later approach, I hope you don't carry a weapon.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 25, 2008, 09:16:52 AM
Quote from: chairman on February 24, 2008, 09:09:02 PM
From everything I hear, the coach is working his face off on the recruiting trail as well. Sometimes that results in a great class and sometimes it doesn't, but I think he will get players over the next couple years. He doesn't have delusions about trying to recruit nationally, but it seems like he is trying to tie into the network of alumni to try to get local talent.

There is a difference now from what it used to be in that as good a job as he does, he still won't have admissions and financial aid in his pocket.



Thank you Chairman, you did a good job putting things into perspective. I do appreciate you taking time to acknowledge my concern.  I realize things won't be the same, but if you say he is working hard what more can one ask.  Just needed to be reassured we did not have another coach who does not know what to do with the support and network available to him to start recruiting.   

Lefty... I carry a 2by4 piece of lumber around in my truck with me to bat people over the head if I don't like them.  I hardly use it though I just use my bare hands to strangle people most of the time. (just kidding).

Ursinus looks like they are the team to beat in this area anyone agree?  Do you think Widener or Lycoming will beat any PAC team that comes out?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: The General on February 26, 2008, 09:22:00 PM
IU just beat Misericordia and "the vern" Lost to GMC so IU will be hosting the championship game.

and if Ursinus is the team to beat in the area, IU beat them earlier this season. just thought i would let you know
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 26, 2008, 09:45:20 PM
Congratulations to Gwynedd and Immaculata.  Thank you for keeping the title in the "PAC".  Friday will be a good game.  IU's only loss at home this year is against Gwnedd.  Is this game going to be on the webcast?  Hope so.  Good luck to the Vern and Miseri in the MAC.

Quote from: The General on February 26, 2008, 09:22:00 PM
IU just beat Misericordia and "the vern" Lost to GMC so IU will be hosting the championship game.

and if Ursinus is the team to beat in the area, IU beat them earlier this season. just thought i would let you know

Welcome to the board The General.  Yes, we know that they beat Ursinus,  however, that win was at home, where they are 9 - 1.  Even if they win, which I hope they do, they will be on the road where they are 8 - 8.  Just thought I'd let you know.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 26, 2008, 10:02:54 PM
In for a Great game on Friday night. Cant wait!!!


just another thought to add on to the Ursinus chatter. Finklea, the Macs, leading scorer did not play in the Home game vs Ursinus.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 26, 2008, 10:06:01 PM
Quote from: The General on February 26, 2008, 09:22:00 PM
IU just beat Misericordia and "the vern" Lost to GMC so IU will be hosting the championship game.

and if Ursinus is the team to beat in the area, IU beat them earlier this season. just thought i would let you know

congratulations to Immaculata! ! !   
congratulations to Gwynedd Mercy ! ! !

What happened to the Crusaders? ? ?   All that talent? ? Did they just not show up or what ?    Sounds like they choked or did they get out coached ? ?  Barron is a good coach but  I sure did not expect an Alvernia loss though.

Mailsy,  I don't feel that bad losing to Gwynedd now.  Obviously the #1 seeding did not mean much this year with all the parity.  Justice may be served.    I would have thought the Vern would have no problem this year winning the PAC.  Just goes to show you that "anybody can beat anybody this year".  I still could not figure out how Cabrini held Alvernia to 25 points in the first half the last game they played them when they averaged near 87pts a game and Cabrini did not play great defense and handed them the ball the whole game but it was not a blow out.  Perhaps it all makes sense now. 

General,  if you are an Immac fan I am hoping for the best for you.  I guess since it is the last year of the PAC conference justice is served by keeping the title in the PAC with a team not exiting.  I thought Alvernia was the best team in the PAC though to be honest with all the experience and playing together.   Jon.... could you give us an update on what happened at the PEC?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 26, 2008, 10:26:31 PM
Quote from: HIdeUmm on February 26, 2008, 10:02:54 PM
just another thought to add on to the Ursinus chatter. Finklea, the Macs, leading scorer did not play in the Home game vs Ursinus.

Just another thought to add to the IU chatter.  Finklea, I believe, did play in the last 3 road games where he scored 24, 15, 10.  Correct me if I am wrong but they did lose those three games, didn't they?  Just a question!!

Still believe they will win on Friday night, though.

How you doing Flyer?  How's your stress level?  Down, hopefully until next year?

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 26, 2008, 10:49:13 PM
Yea he did. thats a good point i was just pointing out that he didnt play and they still won.

However, im focused on fridays game because if they dont win they wont even be a discussion on Ursinus and IU so...

So long Miseri and Alvernia great competitive games the last 3 years... Good Luck down the road
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 26, 2008, 11:09:54 PM
Not too much to say tonight...pretty straight forward here.  The Vern shot 32 percent from the floor and the Griffins hit 10-of-21 3s.  Alvernia actually had a look for the lead in the final three minutes, but missed and GMC scored six straight to pull away.  We'll see if there is any ECAC action next week.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 26, 2008, 11:25:29 PM

Congrats to both winners for advancing and to both teams eliminated for very good seasons.
Not at either game tonight, but I will make an observation concerning my take on the games going in and coming out.

Prior to the game I would have said that any kind of foul trouble on Bradley will be a problem for Alvernia. King and Shawell are pretty good defensive rebounders, but Alvernia looked a little bit soft defensively when Bradley went out, and his work on the offensive boards extends possessions for the Crusaders perimeter players.

King has had a great year and he has hit tough threes all year. Alvernia played in a lot of tight games this year -- both EU games were tight through the 37th minute. An off night from either Shawell or King causes problems for the hosts. The problem Alvernia has is that the way their attack is built, they can't very well tell King and Shawell to stop shooting if they go cold. They are a good team in that it doesn't happen very often, but it looks like that is what happened with King tonight.

The night Smith had tonight was what I expected when I saw him play in January of 2007. At that point I thought he was going to give Shawell a run for POTY for the next two seasons. I didn't see that in either game I saw this year, but it looks like he put things together in the big game.

It will be interesting to see what happens in Gwynedd-Immac Part Trey.... I think the match-ups favor GMC... Immaculata will have to shoot over the length of the Gwynedd players, and they will have to deal with the interior strength of Smith and Wroton. If Immaculata can score 25 points in transition, pick up 17+ offensive rebounds, or hit 6-8 three pointers, they can win. Otherwise I see a Griffin win. Immac is a tough place to win, but home court advantage is not so great that it will make more than a two point difference.

You can say that the higher seed should be favored, but I don't think that applies to a situation like this season where 2-7 were separated by a couple plays here and there. Immac earned home court, but I don't think we can say that they are huge favorites.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.



Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 26, 2008, 11:28:16 PM
Tough one. Sounds like Eastern's whole year. Congrats on #200 Jon. Glad to see you reached it before Tiger lost this year.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 26, 2008, 11:37:02 PM
IF...the Macs play the way they did tonight... I dont think GMC has a shot.. Its Gonna be a Great Competitive Game. Chadwin vs His "Mentor"
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 27, 2008, 12:03:49 AM
With all due respect. Neither GMC or Immac is capable of playing the game at a level where the other team doesn't have a shot. Misericoridia doesn't match up well with the Mighty Macs. GMC does. It will come down to execution. It looks like the Griffins took a pretty good chunk out of the Mighty Macs a couple weeks ago at Alumnae Hall.

I'll stick to my earlier predictions on things Immac must do to win. I don't think they hit 6 threes, so it will be offensive rebounding or transition hoops.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 27, 2008, 09:20:22 AM
Quote from: Jon on February 26, 2008, 11:09:54 PM
Not too much to say tonight...pretty straight forward here.  The Vern shot 32 percent from the floor and the Griffins hit 10-of-21 3s.  Alvernia actually had a look for the lead in the final three minutes, but missed and GMC scored six straight to pull away.  We'll see if there is any ECAC action next week.

Jon, do you know if the Vern will schedule any games next year with any former PAC teams.    I am sure EU will play Cabrini once a year at least.   Sure has been a strange PAC playoff year if you ask me.   Seems the hot teams went cold and the cold teams warmed up to the task at the right time. 

Mailsy, doing better, but still dissappointed. Seems like this year the title was really up for grabs and anyone with a mini-win streak could have won it this year.  I feel the Cavs could have gone deeper if they played defense and hit foul shots which has plagued them all year. To be honest with you, I was looking forward to heading to Reading to see the Vern play the MACS or Miseri on Friday. I won't be heading to anywhere with a large crowd and not enough space to walk in though.  I must ask if the best team is really going to win the PAC.

Think GMC is going to pull it out but I am hoping the MACs win it all.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 27, 2008, 09:23:34 AM
Quote from: Jon on February 26, 2008, 11:09:54 PM
Not too much to say tonight...pretty straight forward here.  The Vern shot 32 percent from the floor and the Griffins hit 10-of-21 3s.  Alvernia actually had a look for the lead in the final three minutes, but missed and GMC scored six straight to pull away.  We'll see if there is any ECAC action next week.

Jon, what kind of defenses were played?  Did Miller change anything at the half?            Sorry, had to work late.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 27, 2008, 09:24:17 AM
Chair,

I grant you my first karma point for both your acknowledgment of a milestone and your match-up observations.  Me thinks you may be coaching the wrong sport.

Smith had energetic determination all night which wasn't matched.  You can see from the quotes in today's paper that the boys felt the same way.  (From the Reading Eagle (http://www.readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=82019))

Some years I'm not jazzed about a possible ECAC invite.  This year I'm hoping things work out for a few more games.  I think that would give the Crusaders, and specifically Matt King, a chance to erase a bad taste.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 27, 2008, 09:34:21 AM
FlyGuy,

I'm sure Alvernia will schedule some games next season against PAC teams.  I know we're trying to get GMC in our tip-off tournament.  Seeing as there was only one senior in last night's game it should be quite a rematch.  Not sure what the rest of our non-conference schedule will look like at this point.

We played a lot of zone last night and the Griffins shot well...very well.  Keenan hit a big 3 in front of his bench that seemed to be one of those "bad shots" until it went in and Talley banked in a 3 midway through the second half that was kind of a kick in the pants.  GMC played a lot of their 1-3-1 with a few change up possessions, and they really pressured the wings on the first pass.  I thought we got a lot of looks and Shawell, as he does, hit the tough ones.  Thirty-six 3s is a big number...we took fewer shots (33) inside the arc.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 27, 2008, 03:12:06 PM
That 1-3-1 is Frustrating. Who is COY now that Miller and Woodruff are out in the Same round of the playoffs???
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Jon on February 27, 2008, 04:15:01 PM
Theoretically, all-conference voting is based on regular season performance...not sure Miller hoisted any of our 47 misses last night.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 27, 2008, 04:28:50 PM
I didnt realize it was just regular season. O i know that loss was because of bad shooting really on both end with miseri and vern... Miseri just couldnt get in a groove and the Macs just work there defense and got some shots to fall... Hyman hit a three??? yes Hyman, Finklea with a 3 after a backcourt inbound with 3 seconds on the shot clock and then Lepone's 3 at the end of the half... kills the defense.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 27, 2008, 06:09:50 PM
Has anyone gone to the PAC main page and seen the new names that they came up with for the new conference?   OH boy. I really don't like any of them.  You can, however, come up with another name. You get to choose.  Here they are in alphabetical order only:

1. Atlantic Athletic Association, 2. Atlantic Athletic Conference, 3. Atlantic Colonial Athletic Conference, 4. Colonial Athletic Conference, 5. Colonial Heritage Athletic Conference, 6. Eastern Athletic Association, 7. Eastern Heritage Athletic Conference, 8. Founders Athletic Conference, 9. Heritage Athletic Association, 10. Heritage Athletic Conference


Go to the website www.thepaconline.org and you can help choose the new name of the conference.  The survey runs until March 11, 2008 at 5:00pm.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 27, 2008, 10:18:36 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 27, 2008, 06:09:50 PM
Has anyone gone to the PAC main page and seen the new names that they came up with for the new conference?   OH boy. I really don't like any of them.  You can, however, come up with another name. You get to choose.  Here they are in alphabetical order only:

1. Atlantic Athletic Association, 2. Atlantic Athletic Conference, 3. Atlantic Colonial Athletic Conference, 4. Colonial Athletic Conference, 5. Colonial Heritage Athletic Conference, 6. Eastern Athletic Association, 7. Eastern Heritage Athletic Conference, 8. Founders Athletic Conference, 9. Heritage Athletic Association, 10. Heritage Athletic Conference


Go to the website www.thepaconline.org and you can help choose the new name of the conference.  The survey runs until March 11, 2008 at 5:00pm.


Sounds like the new conference is nostalgic or historical with Philly in its wings.  Why not just call it the William Penn Conference, or the Cheesesteak Conference, better yet  Betsy Ross Alliance.

Seriously,  the names are not to thrilling or represenative of the region.   Maybe they should call it the BIG EAST conference  .


Mailsy....better get to GMC on Saturday, no excuses.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 27, 2008, 10:21:40 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 27, 2008, 10:18:36 PM
Mailsy....better get to GMC on Saturday, no excuses.

I have to be up in Secaucus, NJ all day.  I'll be done around 5:00pm.  If the game is at night, I'll be there.  OK?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 27, 2008, 10:24:17 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 27, 2008, 10:21:40 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 27, 2008, 10:18:36 PM
Mailsy....better get to GMC on Saturday, no excuses.

I have to be up in Secaucus, NJ all day.  I'll be done around 5:00pm.  If the game is at night, I'll be there.  OK?

Congratulations to the Lady Cavs. 

PAC championship Saturday at GMC TBD.....  Why would the game be at night?  Just for you ? ?



Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 27, 2008, 10:27:22 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 27, 2008, 10:24:17 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 27, 2008, 10:21:40 PM
Quote from: Flyer on February 27, 2008, 10:18:36 PM
Mailsy....better get to GMC on Saturday, no excuses.

I have to be up in Secaucus, NJ all day.  I'll be done around 5:00pm.  If the game is at night, I'll be there.  OK?

Congratulations to the Lady Cavs. 

PAC championship Saturday at GMC TBD.....  Why would the game be at night?  Just for you ? ?

Of course.  You want them to win, don't you?  The Gwynedd coach(the Cabrini grad) will probably want the game in the afternoon, just so I won't be there.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 28, 2008, 12:14:35 AM
Interesting balance on the Alvernia scoring against Gwynedd.

66 pts on 11 3pt baskets, 11 2 pt baskets and 11 one point baskets (free throws).

You could see a lot of basketball without seeing that. There are days that seem like that every brick the other team throws up banks in and every shot that looks like it's dropping down somehow hits and rims out. It is usually only a couple key shots that we remember that color our recollections of the game, but those few key shots are often the difference in a close game.

I think there are several good coaches in the PAC, but I would stand behind my COY being between Woodruff and Miller.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on February 28, 2008, 04:18:31 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 28, 2008, 12:14:35 AM
Interesting balance on the Alvernia scoring against Gwynedd.

66 pts on 11 3pt baskets, 11 2 pt baskets and 11 one point baskets (free throws).

You could see a lot of basketball without seeing that. There are days that seem like that every brick the other team throws up banks in and every shot that looks like it's dropping down somehow hits and rims out. It is usually only a couple key shots that we remember that color our recollections of the game, but those few key shots are often the difference in a close game.

I think there are several good coaches in the PAC, but I would stand behind my COY being between Woodruff and Miller.



Nice observation Chair.......... 666 is a nicer number.  This may be an omen that the PAC is ending.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 29, 2008, 05:58:11 PM
Real quiet the last 24 hours.  I'm sure it will get a lot noisier soon.  Good luck to both teams in the Championship game. 
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 29, 2008, 09:25:55 PM
haven't seen the box score yet. It will be interesting to see the whole of it. Congrats to Jamie Chadwin and his team. Very impressive to win a PAC Championship in their third year. Best of luck in the big dance.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on February 29, 2008, 09:28:45 PM
Congratulations to the Mighty Macs on winning their first championship and their first bid to the NCAA tourney.  Good luck in the tourney!!!

Mighty Macs pulled away at the end--what was the closest Gwynedd got?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 29, 2008, 10:37:45 PM
UNBELIEVEABLE!!!!! CONGRATS TO THE MIGHTY MACS AND CHADWIN!!!! IT WAS AN UNREAL ENVIROMENT IN ALUMNEA. EVERYTIME GMC TRIED PULLING AWAY THE MACS CAME STORMING BACK. HELL OF A LAST GAME FOR KEENAN HE PLAYED HIS HEART OUT WITH A WRAPPED HEAD!!!


BIG DANCE HERE COME THE MACS!!!!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on February 29, 2008, 10:41:20 PM
Immaculata hits seven threes and pulls down 19 offensive rebounds. That's the game there. 19 of 42 Immac misses go back to the home team. It is tough to get stops when teams get a second crack at nearly half their misses. Not sure about fast break points. The box says neither team scored a fast break point, but I think that might be a STATCREW issue and not totally related to the game. Either way, the made three pointers and offensive rebounds neutralize the effectiveness of the GMC zone and Immac wins. Anyone at the game can feel free to comment on when Gwynedd switched to man-- I would assume they would have had to and what impact that had on the game.

Congrats again to both teams who reached the final.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 29, 2008, 10:52:22 PM
The were switching back and forth all game but they locked into it around the 10 minute mark and the MACS pulled away and they went back to the zone later.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Flyer on March 01, 2008, 08:49:39 AM
Quote from: HIdeUmm on February 29, 2008, 10:52:22 PM
The were switching back and forth all game but they locked into it around the 10 minute mark and the MACS pulled away and they went back to the zone later.

Seemed the MACs got the ball down the floor quicker as well.   Congratulations to your team HIdeUmm.  They deserve it.  I hope they can beat Ursinus or the best team in the area in the Tourney.   Make the PAC proud in its last year of existence.

Class act Mighty Macs.    Tell Sister Delores over there that they won for me.  I am serious.  She is a little forgetful.   
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: The General on March 01, 2008, 10:53:05 AM
It was a great game last night. The 1-3-1 of GMC did not stand up as it had in the previous contest. Finklea, Fordham and Hyman all played well. Also DeSantis had a big game last night. Offensively and defensively. Cannot wait until Monday at 9am for the selection. 

on a side note. I loved how the PAC was trying to sell shirts for about $15 last night. Priceless, considering its going to be renamed in a few months.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on March 01, 2008, 10:59:43 AM
dont forget about Lepone. Second half was big. He seems like he is the glue for the MACS. He goes on his own 5-9 point runs by himself. The players now when hes Hot to get him the ball and he will get it done. Awesome performance by ALL the Macs last night.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on March 02, 2008, 05:13:51 PM
Do PAC teams get the lowest seed in the dance?? and where are the games played?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on March 03, 2008, 09:54:43 AM
HideUmm, PAC teams don't necessarily get bad or good seeds.  It all depends on record, strength of schedule, etc.  Even d3hoops staff admits to being flummoxed sometimes by the selection committees choices.  I don't think Immaculata is going to get a "good" spot this year.

That being said, I don't think Immaculata needs such a spot.  Good luck to the Macs.  Great job Coach Chadwin this year.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on March 03, 2008, 12:44:42 PM
Immaculata playing at Richard Stockton. Winner takes on Nazareth/Rhode Island College winner.

Good luck Mighty Macs!!
Title: PAC Post-Season Awards
Post by: lefty2 on March 03, 2008, 04:05:36 PM
PAC Post-Season Awards:

All-PAC Men's Basketball First Team:
Terrence Shawell, Alvernia College
Kyle Finklea, Immaculata University
Vinny Baumunk, Misericordia University
Matt King, Alvernia College
Lemeire Talley, Gwynedd-Mercy College

Player of the Year: Terrence Shawell, Alvernia College
Rookie of the Year: Glenn Washington, Cabrini College
Coach of the Year: Trevor Woodruff, Misericordia University
PAC Team Sportsmanship Award: Marywood University

All-PAC Men's Basketball Second Team:
Randy Reid, Cabrini College
Glenn Washington, Cabrini College
Jayson Hyman, Immaculata University
Dave Smith, Gwynedd-Mercy College
Derahn Patrick, Neumann College

All-PAC Men's Basketball Honorable Mention:
Andrew Baker, Centenary College
DJ Fritz, Neumann College
Haven Wroten, Gwynedd-Mercy College
Tyrone Bradley, Alvernia College
Rob Jones, Immaculata University

All-PAC Men's Basketball Sportsmanship Team:
Alvernia College: Tyrone Bradley
Cabrini College: Charles Bush
Centenary College: Robert Urie
Eastern University: Brent Williamson
Gwynedd-Mercy College: Ryan McCarty
Immaculata University: Scott Marston
Marywood University: Jerome Gosney
Misericordia University: Matt Hornak
Neumann College: DJ Fritz
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on March 03, 2008, 04:19:59 PM
Congrats to all the players named to All-PAC teams. Who votes on the Sportsmanship individual award?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on March 03, 2008, 04:31:02 PM
Congrats to all those players who won All PAC awards.

Good Job Randy, Glenn and Charlie, you made Cabrini proud!!
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 03, 2008, 08:30:20 PM
sportsmanship award is a team award given by the conference. Every team gets exactly one rep on the team whether they deserve five or zero reps. It is also interesting that the PAC teams equated rolling over with good sportsmanship for the team. I'm not saying that Marywood weren't good sports, but IMO there were other teams that demonstrated a higher quality of sportsmanship in close games (where that is a challenge) than what I saw from Marywood in the two games I saw. I love the idea of the award, and I love that the student-athletes choose it, but I would love to see it be less of a bone tossed to the bottom team on the league. Off my soap box now.

Don't know too much about Stockton, but looking at their season, it looks as though the Mighty Macs didn't take a terrible draw in the field.
Congrats to all those recognized and good luck Immac.
Title: All-PAC
Post by: Jon on March 04, 2008, 07:17:27 AM
Chair,

Looks like we did pretty well in our prognostication.  Coaches liked a contender (Hyman) more than our vote for a player from a non-contender (Baker) and you can't argue with them especially considering Hyman's MVP effort in the PAC Final.

Hopefully you will all catch GMC-Alvernia IV this Wednesday in the ECAC Quarterfinals as a warmup to IU's NCAA opener.  I'm considering a short survey to come up with a catchy name for this year's series.  Complex Combat IV or PAC Clash IV, etc., etc.

On a side note I'd like to have a work study kid around this week to research how many times we (or any other PAC school) has faced an opponent four times in a season.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 04, 2008, 05:23:05 PM
I would have to agree with the choice of Hyman (who it turns out is a senior-- who knew?) Seriously though-- They did senior day stuff for him with the whole family and picture thing, and every post out of their website has him listed as a sophomore. It seems kind of odd that there is a two year differential and that this disconnect is within the department. If an external source is off, then that is perfectly understandable. Anyone know what the real story is?

Can't be too many times in for that. The best possible contenders for that would be Marywood/Misericordia who used to both play in the Laurel Line Classic to start the year. I'm not sure that the two schools have ever met in that pre-season tilt and the Playoffs as well. Simplest way to check on that would be to look at the year(s?) Marywood made the playoffs and look to see if they faced Misericordia in both events. I'm guessing it didn't happen.

That's go to be it. PAC Golf Poll came out today. ESPN didn't pick up on the story, but I saw Alvernia is picked second.

Is the PAC going to be bound by the results of their survey project, or are they merely getting input?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on March 04, 2008, 08:46:51 PM
Quote from: chairman on March 04, 2008, 05:23:05 PM
Simplest way to check on that would be to look at the year(s?) Marywood made the playoffs and look to see if they faced Misericordia in both events.

Maybe the Marywood SID can get on that...  he's not doing anything these days.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on March 06, 2008, 12:02:15 AM
Congrats to GMC on moving on to play Albright on saturday and Miseri moving on.  And a great season to Alvernia as well.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2008, 04:55:39 PM
Seeking a new name? (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/wcm/connect/NCAA/NCAA+News/NCAA+News+Online/2008/Division+III/League+seeking+new+name+-+03-04-08+NCAA+News)

If it walks like a PAC... ;)

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on March 06, 2008, 06:44:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2008, 04:55:39 PM
Seeking a new name? (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/wcm/connect/NCAA/NCAA+News/NCAA+News+Online/2008/Division+III/League+seeking+new+name+-+03-04-08+NCAA+News)

If it walks like a PAC... ;)



Now Ralph you wouldn't be insulting us, now would you?  :o That's not polite to the rest of the members of the PAC  ;D or whatever it's going to be called  ???
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2008, 10:00:12 PM
Quote from: mailsy on March 06, 2008, 06:44:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2008, 04:55:39 PM
Seeking a new name? (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/wcm/connect/NCAA/NCAA+News/NCAA+News+Online/2008/Division+III/League+seeking+new+name+-+03-04-08+NCAA+News)

If it walks like a PAC... ;)
Now Ralph you wouldn't be insulting us, now would you?  :o That's not polite to the rest of the members of the PAC  ;D or whatever it's going to be called  ???
Nahhh, the names that you have selected are just so...

Do you really gain something by throwing away 15 years of name recognition?  (I don't know)

And think about the abbreviations...

AAA  (Triple A ?)
AAC
ACAA
CAC (Taken!)
CHAC
EAA
EHAC
FAC
HAA
HAC
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on March 06, 2008, 11:20:08 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2008, 10:00:12 PM
Quote from: mailsy on March 06, 2008, 06:44:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2008, 04:55:39 PM
Seeking a new name? (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/wcm/connect/NCAA/NCAA+News/NCAA+News+Online/2008/Division+III/League+seeking+new+name+-+03-04-08+NCAA+News)

If it walks like a PAC... ;)
Now Ralph you wouldn't be insulting us, now would you?  :o That's not polite to the rest of the members of the PAC  ;D or whatever it's going to be called  ???
Nahhh, the names that you have selected are just so...

Do you really gain something by throwing away 15 years of name recognition?  (I don't know)

And think about the abbreviations...

AAA  (Triple A ?)
AAC
ACAA
CAC (Taken!)
CHAC
EAA
EHAC
FAC
HAA
HAC

I don't like any of the names. :(  Keep it as the PAC... so much easier.  There is only one team in the mens and 2 teams for the women.  They're close enough to PA.  All the other teams in PA.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chairman on March 07, 2008, 11:11:21 AM
Plus.... NEAC is already taken.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on March 07, 2008, 01:43:42 PM
Maybe they should call it the Middle East AC  ;). Because there is a war on the women's PAC page with all the verbal sparring back and forth. :(
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: old ends on March 15, 2008, 09:27:49 PM
New Conference name to be announced April 9th...
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: patriot41 on March 17, 2008, 02:34:43 PM
anybody have men's predictions for next year?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on March 19, 2008, 11:21:08 AM
Congrats to Terrence Shawell from the Vern for selection as a  First Team player on the All-Middle Atlantic Region Team. :)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on March 31, 2008, 08:19:15 PM
i miss the days when i could come home from work grab my laptop log on and read comments about the PAC and how close it was down the stretch and predictions. Just stopping by to say hello. I cant wait until the 9th when the name is changed and the posters are back hailing or complaining about the new PAC
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: old ends on March 31, 2008, 08:36:35 PM
Quote from: HIdeUmm on March 31, 2008, 08:19:15 PM
I cant wait until the 9th when the name is changed and the posters are back hailing or complaining about the new PAC

I am sure you will not be disappointed on and after 4/9/08
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on April 01, 2008, 04:04:29 PM
Quote from: old ends on March 31, 2008, 08:36:35 PM
Quote from: HIdeUmm on March 31, 2008, 08:19:15 PM
I cant wait until the 9th when the name is changed and the posters are back hailing or complaining about the new PAC

I am sure you will not be disappointed on and after 4/9/08

You can count on it -- hailing that is!  :)
Title: Re: The ????? Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on April 08, 2008, 09:12:42 PM
Tomorrow is the big day.   :) The new name for the conference and a new name for the board.  ;)  Get ready everybody!!  ;D
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: kate on April 09, 2008, 01:31:35 PM
i'm ready :I(, :)
Title: Re: The ??? Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on April 09, 2008, 01:46:54 PM
They voted on a name but they have to do research to see if it infringes on anything else ???.  We have to wait 2 more weeks  :( before we get an official answer.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 09, 2008, 04:38:41 PM
That's a good idea.

Hopefully they check the acronym as well.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: old ends on April 09, 2008, 07:28:52 PM
Here I was hoping to find this new name today... Two more weeks is not that long to wait..I wonder If the IRS will wait?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on April 16, 2008, 07:37:02 PM
Actually Pat, the PAC moniker was in use by the Pennsylvania version well before the inauguration of the Presidents'.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 16, 2008, 09:22:23 PM
I'm referring to the new NAC (aka NAthC) and the NECC, which originally branded itself as the NEAC before changing its name soon thereafter.

And you're sure the PnAC, founded in 1992, was around well before the PrAC? I don't have a complete history on the PrAC but I know they were awarding championships in the 1980s, when Carnegie Mellon was a member.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: lefty2 on April 16, 2008, 09:52:22 PM
According to the President's Athletic Conference website - http://www.pacathletics.org/links/recordbook.pdf - the PrAC was formed in 1955.
Title: Re: The ???? Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on April 21, 2008, 12:07:23 PM
New conference name coming tomorrow?  Do the colonies have anything to do with this?  ;)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: old ends on April 21, 2008, 07:58:39 PM
well we hope it is tomorrow.. Colonial you think???
Title: Re: The ??? Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on April 21, 2008, 09:21:02 PM
Quote from: mailsy on April 21, 2008, 12:07:23 PM
New conference name coming tomorrow?  Do the colonies have anything to do with this?  ;)
Quote from: old ends on April 21, 2008, 07:58:39 PM
well we hope it is tomorrow.. Colonial you think???

The states, maybe?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on April 29, 2008, 10:52:56 AM
20 days later and still no release??? why put up that the name will be available on April 9th if it isnt even available on april 29th??? thats just MEAN!!!

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on April 29, 2008, 12:14:13 PM
My understanding is that they have the name.  They have been doing their due diigence to make sure that it doesn't infringe on anything.  They have their lawyers working on it.  We should hear something official very soon. 

Yes, it does seem "MEAN" that they keep dragging it along on the website.  They just don't want to get sued(or tortured by the fan base) if it conflicts.

So just relaaaax! :)  We'll know soon. 

By the way take some hints from previous messages. ;)
Title: The CSAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on May 01, 2008, 12:16:37 PM
It is now official.  The conference has a new name the The Colonial States Athletic Conference (CSAC).

Welcome to the CSAC everyone
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: hIdeUmm on May 01, 2008, 01:55:43 PM
I think i like it... CSAC... not as good as the PAC but... I think itll grow on me... See-Sack... Hailing From me no complaints
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 01, 2008, 02:34:32 PM
Seems like a reasonable enough name.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: old ends on May 03, 2008, 10:04:44 PM
It sounds like a perfect fit for the teams that are in the conference.  It was nice of them to wait for the end of conference play as to not confuse the press and the rest of us.

Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: heatlee on May 17, 2008, 09:55:51 AM
So let me get this straight Cabrini has a great coach for 20+ years, they force him out, then they hire someone who sets the program back in two years, then they hire a quality coach who did a good job cleaning up a mess and he leaves.

This job has become a stepping stone. Why did Cabrini not realize they had someone who would have stayed there forever if they just had a little foresight?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Booker on May 17, 2008, 04:53:15 PM
Wasn't it obvious from watching Herenda in action that this was all about him and not the players, the school or the tradition at Cabrini. Is anyone surprised that this happened...The previous Athletic Director is directly responsible for the whole mess and she split too. Can the administration of the school please get it right this time. Maybe the 4th coach in 5 years will be the right one....Many of us saw this coming from a mile away, right away. Sorry but I told you so.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Purple Truth on May 17, 2008, 08:21:48 PM
This should be a destination spot.  Great location, great academic reputation, and great tradition.  I hope you're wrong about it becoming a stepping stone.
Title: The CSAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on May 19, 2008, 11:38:50 AM
Quote from: Purple Truth on May 17, 2008, 08:21:48 PM
This should be a destination spot.  Great location, great academic reputation, and great tradition.  I hope you're wrong about it becoming a stepping stone.

Cabrini is a "Great Location" has a "great academic reputation"  and above all that it has had a "Great tradition". I believe any coach should want to make this a home for the next umpteen years.  Unfortunately with the mess over the last five years the Cabrini basketball tradition has taken some serious hits.  I liked coach Herenda.  I am very disappointed that he is leaving.  I loved coach Dzik,  but that still didn't stop an administration from getting rid of him.

I believe, however, with a new President and not the "wicked witch of Cabrini" involved anymore there will be a sign of change.(and I'm not talking "Barak Obama change").  I'm talking serious change. 

Getting back to the traditions which are a commitment to winning basketball.  The constant carousel of coaches is ridiculous.  Let's end this and get someone in here who has a true commitiment.  I'm taking nothing away from the student athletes of the last few years.  It's not their fault.  But the culture of mediocrity in the program has to change.  If they can have a coach in Steve Colfer who can make lacrosse a top tier program.  Why can't we get someone like that in Basketball.

Now I understand that's a much tougher task then just wanting it (basketball is different) but isn't it, in the words of the college "do something extraordinary" the pursuit of the college? Or is that just some BS that a marketer put together, which they truly don't believe?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on May 20, 2008, 02:26:26 AM
Quote from: Purple Truth on May 17, 2008, 08:21:48 PM
This should be a destination spot.  Great location, great academic reputation, and great tradition.  I hope you're wrong about it becoming a stepping stone.

Purple, you're kidding about the great academic reputation, right?  Cabrini is seen as a joke academically.  They let anybody in who can play sports.  Heck, some of the people who don't get in to EU end up getting scholarship monies at Cabrini.  Be serious, only within families who have never seen a college degree would Cabrini garner academic respect.  Tradition and location, yes.  Academics, no.

Is this a stepping stone?  I guess so.  Somehow I think Herenda knows somebody at UM-Lowell.  He certainly didn't do anything real big at Cabrini to prove himself.  And how did the previous coach, errr, ummm, clothing salesman, get promoted?
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 20, 2008, 11:23:23 AM
Chizwiz -- if you read our story on Herenda you'd wouldn't have to "somehow" "think." You'd know.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: chizwiz on May 21, 2008, 02:03:11 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 20, 2008, 11:23:23 AM
Chizwiz -- if you read our story on Herenda you'd wouldn't have to "somehow" "think." You'd know.

I had read it before I last posted, Pat.  Good article.  Was being somewhat facetious with "somehow I think".

Folks, if you haven't read it, you should.
Title: The CSAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on June 16, 2008, 11:13:22 AM
Cabrini has a new director of athletics and recreation, Joe Giunta.  Formerly a Neumann student athlete and director of athletics.   Anybody know anything about him?  What do you think his philosphy might be on getting a new coach, somebody maybe tied to Cabrini or Neumann or another local school, maybe Temple?  What do you think?  :)

www.cabriniathletics.com (http://www.cabriniathletics.com)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on June 21, 2008, 08:52:27 AM
Mailsy -

Joe's a good guy.  He really helped Neumann organize and balance its athletic programs.  He's a hoops guy, so one would assume that he will bring in a good head man.  There are some good names floating around and also a bunch of D1 assts who want to use it as a stepping stone. 

I wouldn't look for a hire out of his past at Neumann.  Not that there's a bad relationship there, just not the right guys right now.  Guinta wants to move on this, so look for a name in the next 2 weeks or so.

C
Title: Re: The CSAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on June 21, 2008, 11:10:17 AM
Quote from: Coach C on June 21, 2008, 08:52:27 AM
Mailsy -

Joe's a good guy.  He really helped Neumann organize and balance its athletic programs.  He's a hoops guy, so one would assume that he will bring in a good head man.  There are some good names floating around and also a bunch of D1 assts who want to use it as a stepping stone. 

I wouldn't look for a hire out of his past at Neumann.  Not that there's a bad relationship there, just not the right guys right now.  Guinta wants to move on this, so look for a name in the next 2 weeks or so.

C

Coach C,

Thanks for the info.  I always like to hear good things about people I'm eventually going to meet. 

Regarding stepping stones.   That's the challenge.  Consistency has to occur.  The program has been in such upheaval over the last few years, it would be nice to have someone who is going to be here for awhile and bring some stability to the position and to the program instead of making it a "stepping stone."

On a lighter note.  Just think in 10 days it will no longer be the "PAC" chat line.  It will be the CSAC officially. :)

Thanks again for the info.  :)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: Coach C on June 22, 2008, 06:18:18 PM
I think that he's the right guy to finish the job of re-building the relationship with the alumni that Coach Herenda started on last season.

With the full support of the AD, the new coach will be able to do a great deal.  There are still some stumbling blocks, such as overall support for athletes, the recent past of the program and the campus support of minorities, but things will get better under Guinta.
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: CabriniCavsSID on June 25, 2008, 03:13:58 PM
The following links are the 2008-09 Cabrini men and women's basketball schedules. Dates without times to be finalized as season approaches.

MBB - http://www.cabriniathletics.com/schedules.asp?path=mbball

WBB - http://www.cabriniathletics.com/schedules.asp?path=wbball
Title: The CSAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on June 25, 2008, 08:11:17 PM
Quote from: CabriniCavsSID on June 25, 2008, 03:13:58 PM
The following links are the 2008-09 Cabrini men and women's basketball schedules. Dates without times to be finalized as season approaches.

MBB - http://www.cabriniathletics.com/schedules.asp?path=mbball

WBB - http://www.cabriniathletics.com/schedules.asp?path=wbball

CCSID,

Thanks for the update!!  :)  Now if we only can get someone to coach in those games. ;)
Title: The CSAC Chat Line
Post by: mailsy on June 26, 2008, 11:45:22 AM
The conference has a new logo.  It looks great!!!  :)

See  www.thepaconline.org (http://www.thepaconline.org) or www.cabriniathletics.com (http://www.cabriniathletics.com)
Title: Re: The PAC Chat Line
Post by: gordonmann on June 26, 2008, 01:31:46 PM
Thanks for sharing.  That does look nice.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 30, 2008, 11:59:16 PM
Welcome to July 1 and the new name.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on July 01, 2008, 09:18:00 PM
Why thanks Guru/Administrator!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 17, 2008, 02:35:34 AM
Cabrini has a new head coach, Marcus Kahn.  :) Anybody know anything about him, personally?   Story has it that he was the coach at Pitt-Greensburg the last few years.

If he's any good, hopefully he'll stick around for more than one season.  ;)

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/News/mbball/2008/7/16/mbb_mkahn_071608.asp?path=mbball (http://www.cabriniathletics.com/News/mbball/2008/7/16/mbb_mkahn_071608.asp?path=mbball)

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 07, 2008, 03:50:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 30, 2008, 11:59:16 PM
Welcome to July 1 and the new name.
Jeez Pat... you couldn't wait 44 more seconds!!! You in a time machine or something?! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on August 17, 2008, 11:34:28 PM
Hey CSAC fans,

It looks like the new website is now up for the New Colonial States Athletic Conference!! :)

http://www.csacsports.org/ (http://www.csacsports.org/)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on August 18, 2008, 09:07:48 PM
Mailsy,

You are officially a PAC/CSAC stalker.

Lefty
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on August 18, 2008, 11:12:17 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on August 18, 2008, 09:07:48 PM
Mailsy,

You are officially a PAC/CSAC stalker.

Lefty

:D  Good one!  Made me laugh out loud!!  Now.  Why do you say that???  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on August 19, 2008, 10:42:27 AM
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but do I really need to present any evidence?

Was anyone else searching cyberspace at 11:30 p.m. for a web site that wasn't officially announced by the conference office until the next day?

The site is very nice, by the way.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jabstep08 on September 25, 2008, 12:56:10 PM
I am new to the board and would like to know if anyone has an idea of what the preseason rankings will be?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jabstep08 on October 08, 2008, 07:25:33 PM
Just finished reading about ryan tozer being named the new coach at Rosemont. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 08, 2008, 09:42:48 PM
It's exciting to see a new team in the CSAC.  Some teams will actually have some wins in the 09-10 season.   :)  Typically you'll find that with new teams.  But it won't surprise me if they're at the top of the league in no time.  In B'ball you can do that. 

Tozer is a 2005 graduate. Don't know anything about him.  But he is not third in scoring.  There were players back in the eighties that had more than 1200 plus points and the schools own website has 9 guys ahead of him who scored more than the 1218 that he scored!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: NJBalla35 on October 08, 2008, 10:45:57 PM
Kind of strange - I looked at Eastern's 1000 point club.  It is listed by year, but there are a bunch of guys with more than 1218.  Were they a JC or a non-NCAA school for a while?  Maybe he's 3rd all-time since joining the NCAA?  Here's Eastern's 1000 point club:

1.        Merritt Whitman         1453            54-58
2.        Ronald Hogeland        1063            57-61
3.        Dave Rowlands          1500            59-63
4.        Dave Henderson        1624            61-65
5.        Don McCall               1138            62-65
6.        Ben Winn                                    75-77
7.        Jeff Brooks               1471            75-79
8.        Doug Toles                                   76-80
9.        Daryl Wilson                                79-81
10.       Bill Eyre                                    80-84
11.       Greg Holmes                               80-84
12.        Joe Ebert                                   80-84
13.       Derreck Williams                         82-86
14.        Arnold Johnson                           84-88
15.        Mike McCarron                            84-88
16.        Barry Carver                              84-88
17.        Irv Hutcherson            2124         85-89
18.        Keith Wilkerson                           85-89
19.        Orlando Walters                          86-90
20.        Ken Coull                 2759            89-93
21.        Lou Lockley            1223             89-93
22.        Rob Preziozi                               89-91
23.        Antoine Harden           2017          91-95
24.        Kevin Standford        1557            95-99
25.        Ryan Tozer                1218           01-05
26.        Lenny DiMaria                            03-07
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on October 18, 2008, 11:14:45 AM
Eastern was an NAIA until 1988 or so. Their best player of the NCAA era was undoubtedly Kenny Coull, who played for Eastern during the ESAC days.  That kid could score from anywhere and was as smooth off the dribble as anyone.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Basketball on November 03, 2008, 01:44:33 PM
Is it quiet on this board!  I guess everyone feels like Immaculata is going to run away with there 2nd consecutive title?
;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jabstep08 on November 03, 2008, 09:02:46 PM
D3basketball,

GMC, seems to have the most talent in the CSAC Conference this year. they return a solid point guard and a athletic big. they have a transfer from st. mary's university who played a phonexville high. dont wanna take anything from the Immaculatta coach because he does a great job with a the least talent but it is Gwynedd Mercys to lose!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Basketball on November 04, 2008, 09:32:24 AM
Nice to hear.  Gwynedd is always in the mix here.  Coach Baron does a nice job recruiting key areas on his team, so this is no surprise and he always seems to get a good transfer in from somewhere.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: VernAlum on November 04, 2008, 11:40:07 AM
The transfer played at Div I St. Peters not St. Marys.  He has the talent to be the front runner for POY
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jabstep08 on November 04, 2008, 12:56:37 PM
i am sorry for the mistake on which school he attended.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 12, 2008, 05:29:08 PM
Just a few more days to the start of the '08-'09 season.  Not surprised that GMC is the preseason favorite.  What confuses me is that Marywood is fifth.  ??? They didn't win a conference game last year.  I know it is a new season, and there are three new teams after the departure of Eastern, Miseri and the Vern, but didn't Baptist Bible win their conference last year and they did beat Marywood.  Has their been that much turnover at BBC for them to warrant finishing behind Marywood or has Marywood improved that much?  Just curious?  Any insight from CSAC fans!  :)

Also does anybody know how the Cavs are going to do this year.  I saw that the roster just came up on the school website and they've added some "height" any ideas?

Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: zonescantstopme on November 14, 2008, 09:19:53 AM
I dont know how they put marywood fifth either, but just be on the look-out for CENTENARY, they were new to the conference last year and played alot of csac teams tough, they were very young at times starting 5 freshman.  with stronger teams leaving and them being more experienced and a new coach who is familiar dont be surprised to see them in the top four of the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 14, 2008, 12:01:49 PM
Quote from: zonescantstopme on November 14, 2008, 09:19:53 AM
I dont know how they put marywood fifth either, but just be on the look-out for CENTENARY, they were new to the conference last year and played alot of csac teams tough, they were very young at times starting 5 freshman.  with stronger teams leaving and them being more experienced and a new coach who is familiar dont be surprised to see them in the top four of the conference.

zonecantstopme,

I appreciate your enthusiasm.  If you were to say they'd make the playoffs, I wouldn't be surprised.  They probably can... but in the top four?  ??? 

If you know Centenary, as you say "be on the look out for" you probably are aware of their past years records...
2008 4-20 (2-14)
2007 3-21 (1-15)
2006 2-22 (0-15)
2005 0-25 (0-15)
2004 3-22 (2-13)
2003 9-15 (0-0).

Yes, it is a weaker conference this year and granted new teams(weaker than..) and a new coach(from a good program) can get you more wins,  I don't see it as a top 4 team in the conference.  But that's why they play the games.  So we'll see where everybody is in February, hopefully you're right. 

But to make the playoffs would probably be the one thing they could do and that would be huge lift for the program. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: zonescantstopme on November 14, 2008, 12:21:26 PM
Your right going off of those numbers it would look like they didnt have a chance. but i consider myself pretty close to the program. they have a solid 8 and baker is much improved the new coach IS GREAT, remember they had 4 fr. that played big minutes i only see good things ahead while i ll will totally back my pick for them being in the top four i will fully take all of the criticism for the pick until the end of the year.    GO CYCLONES!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 14, 2008, 01:51:57 PM
Quote from: zonescantstopme on November 14, 2008, 12:21:26 PM
Your right going off of those numbers it would look like they didnt have a chance. but i consider myself pretty close to the program. they have a solid 8 and baker is much improved the new coach IS GREAT, remember they had 4 fr. that played big minutes i only see good things ahead while i ll will totally back my pick for them being in the top four i will fully take all of the criticism for the pick until the end of the year.    GO CYCLONES!!

Well let's see.  Their first test will be against Wheaton which had a winning record last year and they'll play either Plymouth State or Bard.  Each only had 8 wins last year.  They could win this tournament. That would be a nice start for the year. 

Ultimately, however, it will all come down to conference play!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 16, 2008, 07:12:58 PM
The Marcus Kahn era has begun at Cabrini with a win.  Congrats Cavs!  A nice win over the preseason #2 of the Landmark Conference.  Another game vs a Landmark team (Scranton) at home on Wed. the 19th.  Could it be a 2 for 2? Let's hope so.  That would be a great way to start the new year!!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: zonescantstopme on November 16, 2008, 11:20:29 PM
so has the enrico mastrioanni era at centenary big win over bard to get the ball rolling
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jabstep08 on November 17, 2008, 12:27:50 PM
Neumann went 1 and 1 this weekend with a win over york who is said to be in a rebuliding year and a lost to susquehanna in the championship game by 2 points. Neumann was winning the whole game until the very end. Neumann looked well but needs to get better play from the point guard and better inside play from the post players.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on November 19, 2008, 10:18:48 PM
Solid win for a short-handed IU last night.  Does anyone have details on the Nuemann Widner game?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 19, 2008, 10:22:18 PM
Wow!  Cabrini 2-0.  :)  As fans we haven't seen that in a while, have we?  Is this the Cavaliers of the years ago or are we just getting set up for a fall.  ??? I hope it's the former.  Looking forward to Saturday!!  Great job Cabrini!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 21, 2008, 01:43:48 AM
Hi everyone-I am new to the board, but hopefully I can be a semi-frequent contributor to your good times during the season. I spent the last four years working with the men's basketball program at Wilkes while I was an undergrad there, and I now attend grad school at Marywood. I hope to see a number of Pacers games during the season, so I will contribute what I can on here in terms of both Marywood and whatever conference opponent they are matched up with when I am in the house. 

I did see conference newcomer Baptist Bible play in the seaosn-opener at Wilkes on Monday night. BBC dose not have some of the quality size from previous seasons and as a result is a scrappy bunch, but they play with intensity (as has always been their trademark) and put up a good amount of points in a good effort Monday.

Best wishes to all of you and your teams on the start of the season :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: zonescantstopme on November 22, 2008, 07:35:49 AM
centenary is 3-1!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: zonescantstopme on November 25, 2008, 09:59:25 PM
Centenary Moves to 4-1 with a win over PSU-Harrisburg the preseason pick in the NEAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on November 25, 2008, 10:16:52 PM
Rico is a lock for CSAC Coach of the Year.

Heck, he might be able to run for Mayor of Hackettstown!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: zonescantstopme on November 26, 2008, 06:38:04 AM
He's got My vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  the guys looked good last night shot 56% from the field
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachM33 on November 26, 2008, 09:25:25 AM
I think the Enrico has done a wonderful job at Centenary so far.  He looks to have the kids disciplined, motivated, and working hard.  However, Lets not get too excited yet.  Centenary is 4-1 with 4 wins coming to below 500 teams.  Berkeley was 0-5, Polytech-04, Bard 0-4, Penn St. 2-3.  So as well as I feel the cyclones are doing, I wouldn't put them on anyone's radar yet. 

Go Cyclones!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 26, 2008, 11:34:30 AM
Quote from: CoachM33 on November 26, 2008, 09:25:25 AM
However, Lets not get too excited yet.  Centenary is 4-1 with 4 wins coming to below 500 teams.  Berkeley was 0-5, Polytech-04, Bard 0-4, Penn St. 2-3.  So as well as I feel the cyclones are doing, I wouldn't put them on anyone's radar yet. 

Go Cyclones!!!

This is great for Centenary it seems that Enrico has done a great job so far (after last years debacle of a season).  However, let's not get ahead of ourselves no conference games have been played yet.  I do remember that Elizabethtown lost only one game (13-1) before conference play last year and then they didn't even make the MAC Commonwealth playoffs.  They were 2-8 in MACC and finished the season 15-9.  :o

So far so good, though.  Almost everybody looks good in the beginning of the season.   But the real proof will be when the conference starts playing.  GMC and the Macs still are probably the teams to beat in the conference and Neumann has had some tough losses early on.  I am as excited about Cabrini basketball (3-0) but it is still early.  So we will see.  ;D

There is a lot of optimism about our teams and that's great.  It's a new season and everybody is thankful.  So with that note.  Hope everyone has a Happy and Healthy Thanksgiving!!!!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach K on November 30, 2008, 12:21:17 PM
Have to agree with Mailsy, a strong Cabrini makes the conference as a whole more interesting. I completely agree that you have Cabrini, GMC, Immaculata, as the class of the conference, but Marywood, after not winning a conference game last year, could definitely be a dark horse. They had a good win against Miseri in their tournament last weekend. How is Baptist Bible this season? They made the tournament last year out of the NEAC, but I've heard little about them. Also, who did Neumann lose to thus far?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 30, 2008, 01:04:55 PM
Quote from: Coach K on November 30, 2008, 12:21:17 PM
..., who did Neumann lose to thus far?

Susquehanna(L by 2),  Widener(L by 1) and E'town (L by 7).  Their win is against York. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach K on November 30, 2008, 02:44:31 PM
Quote from: mailsy on November 30, 2008, 01:04:55 PM
Quote from: Coach K on November 30, 2008, 12:21:17 PM
..., who did Neumann lose to thus far?

Susquehanna(L by 2),  Widener(L by 1) and E'town (L by 7).  Their win is against York. 

You are right, 3 tough losses. Looks like Neumann will be a force as well. York is rebuilding, but those other three schools are pretty loaded this season.

Heading down to DeSales vs. Randolph Macon...
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on November 30, 2008, 03:54:56 PM
Neumann vs Immaculata tomorrow night  @ Alumnea 8 pm... Always a great game too watch. Wish i could be there
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 30, 2008, 05:56:57 PM
Quote from: HIdeUmm on November 30, 2008, 03:54:56 PM
Neumann vs Immaculata tomorrow night  @ Alumnea 8 pm... Always a great game too watch. Wish i could be there

That should be a good game.  A good test for both teams.   Also, last year's two last place teams meet.  Marywood travels to Centenary for an 8:00pm game.  Both teams have started out on the positive side.  Finally, one of the new kids on the block, Keystone, travels to play Cabrini at 7:00pm.  KC is 3-1 and CC is 4-0.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachM33 on December 01, 2008, 03:14:32 PM
I think tonights game will be a good test for Centenary, who will play a improved Marywood team.  It will tell if Centenary is for real this year or not!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: zonescantstopme on December 01, 2008, 05:32:17 PM
Why wouldnt it be a test for Marywood who is playing an Improved Centenary Team????  the cyclones get no respect!!!!!!  GO CYCLONES!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 02, 2008, 01:23:06 AM
Wow, what a game tonight at Cabrini.  :) Cavs had double digit lead in the first half.  Led by nine at the half got it back up to thirteen only to see it evaporate.  Keystone played tough and tied it with a minute left.  The key in the last minute Cabrini hit their FT's, Keystone did not.  Great game.  Being a Cabrini fan, I can't remember when they started the season 5-0.  This is great for the program. 

It looks like the other two games were close as well Marywood beats Centenary by 2(M seems to have C's number right now) and Neumann over the Macs by 5.  Conference play...you gotta love it!!  :D

Coming Thursday to a CSAC arena near you. Marywood travels to GMC, Centenary to Keystone and BBC to Neumann.  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachM33 on December 02, 2008, 11:00:06 AM
Quote from: zonescantstopme on December 01, 2008, 05:32:17 PM
Why wouldnt it be a test for Marywood who is playing an Improved Centenary Team????  the cyclones get no respect!!!!!!  GO CYCLONES!!!

The reason being that Centenary hasn't beaten anybody, so its hard to say if they are improved or just beating bad teams.  Now last nights game came down to the wire, and it looks like Centenary will at least be competitive this year. As opposed to the past, this year they should compete.  Centenary is heading in the right direction, but then need to get some quality wins first. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: zonescantstopme on December 02, 2008, 11:13:19 AM
Last night should have been Centenary's first conference win, they were up by 8 late it was a great game alot of the time i forget that they are so young they play all sophs and fr. besides baker and DII transfer kearney their future is very bright.

I was very impressed by marywood last night they have improved as well i remember didnt know owens had transferred there i played against him as when he was a fr.  he looks alot bigger and stronger and overall has developed into a nice player.  as a fr. he wouldnt take a jumpshot at CMSV.  I also like blacknall he is fast i had no idea he was that quick. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 02, 2008, 04:35:16 PM
Hey Cabrini fans did you see?   :D The Cavs actually got a top 25 vote.  Yes it was only 1(1 pollster voted Cavs #25).  That is a nice change from the last few years.  They still have a lot of work ahead of them...it is a long season.  But we'll take them as we can get them.  So as a fan we'll take at least 1 vote.  Hopefully the votes and certainly more wins will keep coming the Cavs way!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach K on December 02, 2008, 10:18:40 PM
Not sure if Cabrini is top 25 in the country, Mailsy, but I will say this, it seems like they have some talent, they are winning games that in the past three years they would have lost, and they are doing it against some top shelf regional competition. I know for a fact that Kevin Misevicius can just flat out fill it up. When he is on, you best have a hand in his face, because he can shoot the ball. It will be interesting to see if they can maintain the momentum once conference play start up full steam!

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 02, 2008, 10:37:57 PM
Coach K,

I know they are probably not a top 25 team just yet  ;).  But it is nice to see that the team did get some recognition in the lastest poll. "1 Point" is 1 point none the less.  Hopefully they can keep the momentum going and the holiday break won't slow them down.  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on December 03, 2008, 07:46:06 PM
Come on now people lets be honest here.  A team who can hardly beat Keystone does not deserve any kind of top 25 consideration.  Fact of the matter is a win in this league means nothing unless it is against Cabrini, GMC, Neumann, or IU.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach K on December 03, 2008, 09:35:24 PM
Quote from: IUuKno on December 03, 2008, 07:46:06 PM
Come on now people lets be honest here.  A team who can hardly beat Keystone does not deserve any kind of top 25 consideration.  Fact of the matter is a win in this league means nothing unless it is against Cabrini, GMC, Neumann, or IU.


5-0 is still 5-0. Cabrini may get that ranking based on name recognition from past glory. But it is still a positive for D3 hoops in the Mid-Atlantic, and for the CSAC as a conference to have a strong Cabrini program. Trust me, I am by far NOT a Cabrini supporter, but I have witnessed or heard about unbelieveable games between them and GMC, Alvernia, Misericordia. When they are at their best, they are fun to watch, and it is just nice to see them get some recognition around the country again as a viable program. Will they become a top 25 team? Probably not, especially given that the CSAC won't be strong top to bottom. But at least they seem like they are back from the mess of the past three years.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 04, 2008, 08:10:57 AM
Quote from: IUuKno on December 03, 2008, 07:46:06 PM
Come on now people lets be honest here.  A team who can hardly beat Keystone does not deserve any kind of top 25 consideration.  Fact of the matter is a win in this league means nothing unless it is against Cabrini, GMC, Neumann, or IU.

First of all it's always a welcome to have new posters to the board.   But don't be hatin'  :D.  If you've read the post it was about giving recognition.  I certainly am under no delusion that Cabrini or certainly any member of the CSAC including your beloved IU is a top 25 team right now.  The track record for this league is certainly not there yet to prove it.  But if you read my post...
Quote from: mailsy on December 02, 2008, 04:35:16 PM
Hey Cabrini fans did you see?   :D The Cavs actually got a top 25 vote.  Yes it was only 1(1 pollster voted Cavs #25).  That is a nice change from the last few years.  They still have a lot of work ahead of them...it is a long season.  But we'll take them as we can get them.  So as a fan we'll take at least 1 vote.  Hopefully the votes and certainly more wins will keep coming the Cavs way!  :)

...it was really to designed for Cavs fans who are getting "positive" recognition versus the last few years of negativity that as fans we've had to deal with. 

When you have had a tradition of success, (almost twenty five years) and over the last few years it has been a mess you get encouraged.  :)  So when there is something positive I certainly would like to recognize the program for doing well.  Such as being 5-0, 1-0 in the CSAC AND getting 1 point in the poll.  Not everyone can say that. 

Regarding Keystone: you can't take anything away from them.  Until the end of the season and everybody has played everybody you really don't know how Keystone, Cabrini, Neumann, GMC or IU are as a team.  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jabstep08 on December 04, 2008, 01:28:10 PM
I think that  the league is not at full strength as it was a couple of years ago..with that being said, its really a toss up with who will win the conference. cabrini being undefeated is good since its been down a couple years.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachM33 on December 04, 2008, 03:01:12 PM
Any thoughts on the games tonight???  GMC @ Marywood, Centenary @ Keystone, BB @ Neumann ???
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 04, 2008, 04:03:34 PM
Quote from: CoachM33 on December 04, 2008, 03:01:12 PM
Any thoughts on the games tonight???  GMC @ Marywood, Centenary @ Keystone, BB @ Neumann ???

GMC--- based on three things.  1.  Preseason favorite 2. Most of the team is back from last year and still solid  and 3. No offense to Marywood or their fans, they aren't proven enough.

Keystone--- three things. 1. I saw them at Cabrini and even in a loss they looked ok.  2. They are playing at home and  3. Centenary, though they are playing better this year (with the credit to the new coach) they really haven't beaten anybody.

Neumann--- 3 things.  1. Playing at home.  2. Two quality wins(York & IU) and three "quality" losses(Susq, Widener & E'town). 3. BB small team and Neumann will out rebound them.

This is what I think about tonight's games.  It is still early and I have only seen a couple of teams play.  This is no offense to anyone.  Most of my prognostication is just what I've followed so far this year.  ;D

Anybody else?   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 04, 2008, 06:47:36 PM
What a great article on the front page about Cabrini in around the nation!!

http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/

That is awesome for Marcus Kahn and the players to get that national recognition! 

Keep up the good work!!!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 04, 2008, 10:09:41 PM
Wow.  I admit I was wrong on my thoughts.   ???  Neumann it seems has been having Jekyll & Hyde syndrome from game to game.  Baptist Bible just seemed to have their number tonight.  From what I saw from GMC tonight they were just much better than Marywood.   :'(  But 2 out of 3 ain't bad.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on December 04, 2008, 10:23:32 PM
I in no way was trying to put down Cabrini or anything they have done this season so far.  Clearly they are an improved team as a whole an on the right track.  However that win against Keystone will become even more insignificant as they get blown out of the gym by every respectable team left in this conference (including Cabrini in their 2nd match up).  Lastly, as far as this conference being a toss up, that may be so, but there are only 4 teams included in that "toss up."  And take a wild guess who they are...
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 04, 2008, 10:36:17 PM
Quote from: IUuKno on December 04, 2008, 10:23:32 PM
Lastly, as far as this conference being a toss up, that may be so, but there are only 4 teams included in that "toss up."  And take a wild guess who they are...

From what I've seen so far--GMC is really the only one that you could guess.  They probably are number one.  Also you could say IU is in there, but they got beat by Neumann.  Than Neumann procedes to get beat by Baptist Bible.  You could put Cabrini in there as well.  So there you have it. 5 teams so far.  But by the third week of January when another 5 or so games are played we'll have a better idea of who is in the mix.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jabstep08 on December 04, 2008, 11:30:47 PM
Neumann seems to get out coached in some of the games that i have seen, but then again they will come up with a win versus a quality team like someone posted before, they just seem to be hot then cold. Baptist Bible played very well and shot the lights out of the ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on December 05, 2008, 08:25:08 AM
I just want to compliment the Cyclones. I am an alumni and am able to get the games on the web. Although they lost they were winning again, and couldnt hang on in the second half. They are much improved over last year!!!  I know there 4-3, but this new coach has shown they will be competitive all year, and that never happened before!!! Lookout in the next few years CSAC their YOUNG!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 05, 2008, 10:46:32 AM
Quote from: tonymnm on December 05, 2008, 08:25:08 AM
I just want to compliment the Cyclones. I am an alumni and am able to get the games on the web. Although they lost they were winning again, and couldnt hang on in the second half. They are much improved over last year!!!  I know there 4-3, but this new coach has shown they will be competitive all year, and that never happened before!!! Lookout in the next few years CSAC their YOUNG!!!

It never amazes me what a team that gets and keeps a good coach can happen.  What amazes me though is that some admins never understand that!!!  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachM33 on December 05, 2008, 01:48:30 PM
Quote from: tonymnm on December 05, 2008, 08:25:08 AM
I just want to compliment the Cyclones. I am an alumni and am able to get the games on the web. Although they lost they were winning again, and couldnt hang on in the second half. They are much improved over last year!!!  I know there 4-3, but this new coach has shown they will be competitive all year, and that never happened before!!! Lookout in the next few years CSAC their YOUNG!!!

I am def in favor of what Enrico is doing at Centenary.  With that said, I can remember a few times when Centenary started out strong, alot like they are doing now, and then finishing in the gutter.  I wouldn't say they are winning again and that they will be competitive all year until the season is mid-way.  I do feel they are taking the right steps.

It never amazes me what a team that gets and keeps a good coach can happen.  What amazes me though is that some admins never understand that!!!  ::)
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I have to totally agree with you here mailsy, If a team has a good coach it is one thing.  There are plenty of good coaches out there, but when you are able to keep them because administration and the school supports them, then that is something else.  In those cases, schools and programs thrive.  Centenary's problem is that administration has never wanted that program to succeed.  Not since the 90's when the Zipfel was the AD and coach has that program made a noise.  Since then there has been no support from the adminstration and less from the town, Hopefully Enrico can turn that around, he seems to be doing a good job, and hopefully adminstration will see that and start to support a small college with alot of potential!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 05, 2008, 02:33:10 PM
CoachM33,

Which Zipfel are we talking about?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachM33 on December 05, 2008, 03:26:02 PM
Pat Zipfel, who was at Centenary, Bucks Co. and I believe (not sure) assistant at the Citadel at one time, and recently last I know was hired by the Houston Rockets as an advanced scout...
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 05, 2008, 04:17:06 PM
Quote from: CoachM33 on December 05, 2008, 03:26:02 PM
Pat Zipfel, who was at Centenary, Bucks Co. and I believe (not sure) assistant at the Citadel at one time, and recently last I know was hired by the Houston Rockets as an advanced scout...

That's who I thought you were talking about.  He was at Cabrini as a student athlete back in the late 80's early 90's?  He was an assistant at Citadel.  I remember Coach Dzik telling me that Pat has a very good BBall mind.  He broke down his(Dzik's) system and knew it inside and out. 

Last I heard he is still a scout in the NBA.

Mailsy
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 06, 2008, 05:08:11 PM
Cabrini, unfortunately, loses their first game of the season to Lebanon Valley 101-92.  :(
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachM33 on December 08, 2008, 03:07:00 PM
Widener is on the cusp of being a top 25 team, they received 4 votes last poll and some good wins, any chance GMC gives them a run tonight??
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 08, 2008, 04:36:01 PM
I think GMC could beat them.  They are a very solid team.  I believe they're better than Neumann and Neumann gave Widener a run for their money in a one point loss a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 09, 2008, 12:30:48 AM
Not surprised that Gwynedd won tonight.  But I am surprised that Marywood played it close with Immaculata.  IU fans---is the team down this year?   :o Marywood gets blown out by GMC and then plays IU tough.  Is Marywood that much better?  I am sure of it.  But is IU down?  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on December 09, 2008, 10:47:58 AM
I wouldnt say they are down. But when you lose key players like Lepone, Jones, Hyman, and Strickland its gonna be a different team. the Macs were a run and gun team last year it looks like they are trying to pace the game the way they want it and are focused on D. Marywood has never beat IU and to have an improved team they probably wanted to get a monkey off their back and went for it all.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 09, 2008, 10:57:13 AM
Thanks HIdeUmm.  :) With less then a month before full conference play it's good to start to get a feeling about some teams.  Though we still won't get a full sense of how "good" teams are until about 2-3 weeks in to January.  I still see GMC as the team to beat.  :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachM33 on December 09, 2008, 11:32:48 AM
It is still too early to tell, but I agree GMC is the team to beat. Good win for them last night, at Widener too, I would think maybe GMC would get some votes into the top 25, although their next too games aren't against very strong opponents.  The NJAC is down this year I believe so they should beat Camden.  I think it's alittle of both with IU and Marywood, one is improved and the other has a different identity. 
Desales @ Centenary tonight, I don't see Centenary winning this game.  But I hope that they stay focused over break, this is their last game until January, they got off to a good start and started to slide now against tougher teams, hopefully they can regroup and refocus over break and come back strong for conference play.  That break hurts so many teams...
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on December 09, 2008, 04:58:14 PM
IU is in a transition period.  It is tough anytime you lose a large chunk of a championship team.  But they have a coach who is a proven winner and a group of seniors that have been there from the beggining.  I expect an up and down year and some ugly wins like the Marywood game, but when its all said and done they make the playoffs and will be in a good position to defend their championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on December 10, 2008, 01:46:44 PM
i dont think the PAC last year or CSAC this year you can go off of who beat who. Im not throwing the GMC blows out Marywood and then IU struggles with them. GMC also lost to Rowan and IU beat them. Now GMC's loss was in OT but they still lost. Marywood threw everything they had at the Macs on monday. There are good teams in this conference and its up for grabs. But i agree that the MACS will be in Good contention to defend there title.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 10, 2008, 10:23:23 PM
Centenary loses to DeSales by only two.  I got a look at the game at 33-27 and had to go.  Saw the score.  Wow!  :o What happened at the end?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachM33 on December 11, 2008, 09:03:42 AM
I didn't get to see the game, but from what I read, Centenary fought back in the second half behind Kearny and Baker.  Baker had a good one 21 and 14.  Desales up 2 had a chance to put it away with Hunter at the line with a one and one.  He missed the first, Urie drove the length of the floor and missed the lay in.  Game over...Sounded like it was a good one.  Was anyone there to see the game? 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on December 11, 2008, 10:38:52 AM
I was able to make the game last night, and WOW what a game!!!! The Cyclones were up early, but than Desales built a 16 point lead which was cut to ten at the half. In the second half the Cyclones fought back, and it was back and forth the last 10 minutes. I didnt think it would be a close game, but I am proud of the way the young team and new coaching staff handled this game!!! I think they will have to be reckoned with after the break in the CSAC, and like I said before LOOK OUT NEXT YEAR!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachM33 on December 11, 2008, 11:21:02 AM
Sounds like it was a fun game to see.  Granted Centenary played them to the wire, and I agree next year they will improve, especially if Enrico can bring in some size, but to be reckoned with?  I am not sure about that.  I think they will be competetive in conference, but to be reckoned with means something different.  Mind you that Centenary was a home last night and like most teams, teams are probably 10 points better at home.  After the break Centenary will have to prove themselves in the conference first.  They haven't won a conference game yet.  To me Centenary is going to have to EARN respect before they get it.  You don't EARN it by competeting and losing, you EARN it by winning.  They are moving in the right direction, much much better than the last few years, I will say that.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on December 11, 2008, 02:14:59 PM
I agree you have to win to earn respect, but this was a team that didnt compete against anyone last year. As far as 10 points at home I dont know about that, but if thats true than it was a 12 point game to a team that has beaten someone in the TOP 20. I think that gets you some EARNED RESPECT!!!!   GO CYCLONES!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachM33 on December 11, 2008, 03:20:54 PM
Who did Desales beat that was in the top 20?  I understand Centenary didn't compete last year, but just because you get a new coach, who is doing a good job, and new players, and it's a new year, you don't automatically get to say that team is good, or even give them respect until they beat someone.  They have wins against some of the worst teams in the region.  Granted the program is moving in the right direction, but as far as a team, they seemed improved and that is all.  You can't say a team gets respect or is good because they beat someone who beat someone.  That's like saying Centenary loses by 2 and Desales beats someone by 6, does that make Centenary better than that team by 4?  NO!  You have to beat someone!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on December 11, 2008, 06:15:50 PM
Thank you CoachM.  WIN a game against a QUALITY team then talk all you want about deserving respect.

(Note: Keywords in CAPS)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on December 11, 2008, 06:49:12 PM
Yes, it's a new year but DeSales doesn't have a new coach & just one new player, Brian Hunter, a Lehigh transfer - just an observation from this Aggie fan who watches mainly the women's game.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on December 11, 2008, 07:51:48 PM
I am an excited Cyclone fan and alumni , who hasnt seen many close games in years, so I am pretty excited by our team right now. I know when you win games thats how you earn respect, but they did not play a patsy last night. If you check their website they beat a number 14 ranked team the end of November at the time, and I checked this out after one of there fans told me last night. Do I think we will run the table the rest of the year , or win the CSAC next year I hope so, although its doubtful.  But all I am saying is we are playing much better basketball this year, and win or lose right now we should get some respect.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on December 11, 2008, 07:55:00 PM
Tony u are the first team in the conference to lose to Marywood December 4th 2006 they beat GMC that 3 days short of 2 years... Congrats.... they gave the MACS a run but a W is a W...
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach K on December 11, 2008, 09:26:00 PM
DeSales beat Randolph-Macon out of the ODAC, which was ranked #14 nationally, beat some team named George Mason in the pre-season, and competed with Richmond before losing by 24. I was at the DeSales game, it was a hell of an effort against a team who was 6'7-6'9 in the middle and had one of the best D3 scoring point guards I have seen in a long time.

Centenary should be proud of competing against DeSales. DeSales is more than just Hunter though. They have a ton of returning talent, including Darnell Braswell, Ed Lapinski, Matt Zwetolitz, etc. who are not exactly stiff. They execute their offensive stuff and defend well in the half court.

Tony, this isn't 3-4 years ago's Marywood team. They have two legit players in Blacknall and Tharpe who can fill it up on a given night. No shame in the Cyclones losing to Marywood.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 12, 2008, 12:21:41 AM
Quote from: Coach K on December 11, 2008, 09:26:00 PM
which was ranked

Note the operative word.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachM33 on December 12, 2008, 09:44:32 AM
RESPECT means that you are a solid basketball team.  RESPECT means that other teams prepare for what you do in practice so they can find ways to beat you.  RESPECT means beating people on the road.  RESPECT means beating quality opponents. RESPECT means winning conference games.  RESPECT means competeting and winning against top opponents.

I will give Centenary CREDIT for competeting and improving...that is all

CREDIT vs. RESPECT big difference
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on December 12, 2008, 09:45:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 12, 2008, 12:21:41 AM
Quote from: Coach K on December 11, 2008, 09:26:00 PM
which was ranked

Note the operative word.

What exactly does that mean?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on December 12, 2008, 10:39:00 AM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on December 12, 2008, 09:45:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 12, 2008, 12:21:41 AM
Quote from: Coach K on December 11, 2008, 09:26:00 PM
which was ranked

Note the operative word.

What exactly does that mean?


I BELIEVE, now im not too sure but i do BELIEVE the word "was" in that context means that RMC USED TO BE ranked in the top 25 and CURRENTLY they are not.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 12, 2008, 01:24:15 PM
Yelling is not needed in getting one's point across.  It doesn't make your point stronger!!    ;D  But they are valid points CoachM33.   :)

BTW yelling is when you capitalize your words. (For those who don't know)  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachM33 on December 12, 2008, 02:34:23 PM
My intention was not to yell but to EMPHASIZE.... :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: heatlee on December 13, 2008, 01:35:49 PM
Centenary is getting better and they are competing for the first time since Pat Zipfel was the coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 13, 2008, 10:09:53 PM
With a win against Widener this week and with Widener beating #15 Gettysburg, does any one think that Gwynedd should get some serious top 25 consideration?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on December 14, 2008, 02:08:03 PM
Gettysburg seems to be overrated. Gettysburg now has two losses: one by almost 30 points.  Beating Widener may not be enough to earn a top 25 ranking.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachM33 on December 15, 2008, 11:09:02 AM
I would think that they would receive some votes though...
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachM33 on December 15, 2008, 11:18:00 AM
Quote from: heatlee on December 13, 2008, 01:35:49 PM
Centenary is getting better and they are competing for the first time since Pat Zipfel was the coach.

Centenary is getting better but, they were competetive a couple years ago.  Centenary is now 4-4 at the break, in 2003 they were 4-3 at the break and granted they weren't in a conference then, but they were competetive.  That year they ended up 9-15 but lost 5 games by 1 possession and loss to 2 D-1 opponents.  I believe in 01' they were in the same boat, ended 4-2 at the break, and ended up losing 7 games that year by 3 points or less. 
With that said, Centenary hasn't been competetive since 03' and they are getting better.  I will say Zipfel was a good coach and awesome recrutier, he was the last one to lead Centenary to the post season I believe in 95 he brought them to the ECAC tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 16, 2008, 02:12:09 PM
I'm not neccessarily a fan of GMC, but I thought they would garner some votes in the most recent poll.  This really surprises me that they didn't even get one vote.  :o   Do you thinks it has anything to do with their schedule and the conference?  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on December 16, 2008, 02:24:43 PM
I want to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!! Oh, and by the way the team Centenary lost by two points to, Desales, just made the TOP 25 in the country!!!  So, although they didnt beat Desales lets give them credit for earning a little respect!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on December 16, 2008, 07:59:09 PM
Give it up tony...seriously
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on December 18, 2008, 02:51:22 PM
U dont get respect for losing. thanks for the holiday wish tho tony thats the best thing youve said in all your post
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jabstep08 on December 22, 2008, 09:59:57 AM
Does anyone have any insight on the problem that Neumann is having? Seems like the players are not responding to the coach IMO. On paper they have always had some of the best talent but have come up short. Just want some feed back if possible
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 23, 2008, 12:23:59 PM
Quote from: jabstep08 on December 22, 2008, 09:59:57 AM
Does anyone have any insight on the problem that Neumann is having? Seems like the players are not responding to the coach IMO. On paper they have always had some of the best talent but have come up short. Just want some feed back if possible

Obviously it is still early to say what the problem is , conference play hasn't really started. As I mentioned in an earlier post, it seems they do have Jekyll and Hyde syndrome.  Hopefully, the one you want to show up will rear its head against your team (or another you're rooting against)!  ;)


Hope everyone has a Healthy and Merry Christmas!!   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 04, 2009, 09:11:45 PM
Congratulations to the Cabrini Cavaliers on winning the Marymount University Comcast Challenge!!!

They are now 7-2! :o  The second half of conference play will begin this week.  Good Luck Cavs!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on January 05, 2009, 10:01:18 PM
Congrats to the Cyclones on a 102-79 victory tonight!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 07, 2009, 02:32:01 PM
Congrats to Cabrini's Glenn Washington on being named one of the national players of the week!!  :)

Games tonight in the CSAC Cabrini @ Philly Bible (conf), Centenary @ King's, Keystone @ Hilbert.  Tomorrow's games Marywood @ Babtist Bible(conf).

Any thoughts CSAC fans?

I believe Cavs will slice up the PBU Eagles, I'd like to see Centenary beat a MAC team.  But I think King's will win(I'll be rooting for the 'clones).  K Giants will win big and in the other conference game on Thursday I think the Defenders will out pace the Pacers.  ;D

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jabstep08 on January 10, 2009, 07:59:27 PM
Gwynedd mercy win ant Neumann today. final score 69-62.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jabstep08 on January 12, 2009, 11:15:55 PM
Neumann beats Centenary tonight...60 to 52. Dont know how Neumann wins any games because they cant seem to run any half court offense and they have one legit player in eli hitchens. Any opinions?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 13, 2009, 08:56:14 PM
Quote from: jabstep08 on January 12, 2009, 11:15:55 PM
Neumann beats Centenary tonight...60 to 52. Dont know how Neumann wins any games because they cant seem to run any half court offense and they have one legit player in eli hitchens. Any opinions?

jabstep08,

Here is your probable answer.  They are playing inferior opponents.  The record for teams they've  beaten  is 30-39 (winning pct .435). The record for the teams they've lost to is 53-36 (winning pct .596).  They only have one win against a team over .500 for the season (North Carolina Weslyan, currently 9-3).  (If you take Neumann's wins and losses out of the equation, teams they beat are 30-34 .469 teams they lost to 47-36 .566).  Three other teams they beat are one game under .500 (would be at .500 if Neumann game isn't counted).

However, right now that might only mean a little.  It really is going to come down to conference play and right now they are 2-2.  4 of their next 6 games are against teams in the conference that have losing records in and out of conference.  The other two teams are Cabrini(H) and Marywood(A). Their only four games are Philly Bible 2x, Centenary again on the road, and Baptist Bible(which they've already lost to at home) on the road. 

At the end of this they could still just be a .500 ball club and just might be a team that can't beat the better teams and can only beat the "not so better"  teams.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on January 16, 2009, 10:28:14 AM
no respect request from tony because centenary hung in with IU last night. What happened to Atkinson last night???
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on January 16, 2009, 05:57:03 PM
Nope Im not gonna give that request, but I have been watching my old school on the internet, and I do have a few thoughts. They have been up in the first and second half in most of the games, but seem to falter at about the ten minute mark of the second half the slide begins. I think they have been in most games for the first time in years, so the new staff is doing well, but I think the team dosent know how to win yet, but they sure do know how to lose it once having a lead!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: zonescantstopme on January 17, 2009, 07:07:23 AM
im a former player myself on thing you have to realize about the cyclones is that they are young they have 1 sr and 1 jr that play and the rest of the team are fr. and sophs.  their future is bright and even though it sucks to lose close games now they are setting themselves up to know how to close games in the future. 

another reason why i think they lose alot of close games is the lack of depth look at their mins played by their top four players.  i think they will be a real force in the conference next season once enrico gets to recruit some guys. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on January 17, 2009, 01:05:41 PM
Real simple with Centenary...no pg...and the rest of their guards look timid and fold under any kind of pressure...maybe its their immaturity or maybe they are just soft, but the bottom line is they've got a solid big man and decent wing players, but no one to lead them at the point....solid win for IU they showed great poise throughout the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on January 17, 2009, 01:11:07 PM
Someone please tell me what happened to Cabrini at Marywood.  I'm guessing it had something to do with some starters coming off the bench which was a little curious...
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on January 17, 2009, 04:41:55 PM
Speaking of sitting starters the Cyclones sat their three starting captains for a while, and dont know what that was about, but it worked for our first year coach. We just beat Baptist Bible at their place 86-54!!!!!  So congrats to Coach M on his first conference win, and hopefully many more to come in the next few years!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 17, 2009, 08:11:35 PM
Quote from: IUuKno on January 17, 2009, 01:11:07 PM
Someone please tell me what happened to Cabrini at Marywood.  I'm guessing it had something to do with some starters coming off the bench which was a little curious...

I watched the game online.  I was surprised that three starters were not in.  I can only assume it was because of some team infraction(just speculating).  They just looked really out of sorts when the score got into the teens.  They were throwing up a lot of bad shots-threes that were bricks and airballs- and the easy ones, they couldn't seem to fall in it was like there was somebody swatting the balls out.  They played no defense and Blacknall seemed to be to quick for any Cavs player and he was making a lot of shots off the dribble-drive.  Being down by ten at the half was a first.  They did seem to wake up near the end and got the game close (they hit 8 3-ptrs in the second vs 1 in the first).  They just ran out of time and Marywood hit their FT's.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on January 18, 2009, 07:52:38 PM
 Neumann only beat Philly Bible by 10??? Anyone see the game???
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jabstep08 on January 18, 2009, 11:49:07 PM
Watched the Neumann game online. game was tied at 36 after the first 20 minutes of play. Neumann broke the game open and their largest lead was 15 points if my memory is correct. coach then put subs in during the end of the game. IMO, game should not have been that close but thats how neumann has played the whole year.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on January 23, 2009, 02:44:01 PM
boards been silent as of late. whats going on????
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 23, 2009, 11:04:26 PM
Quote from: HIdeUmm on January 23, 2009, 02:44:01 PM
boards been silent as of late. whats going on????

HIdeUm,

If you noticed there really has only been 4 posters on this board lately.  You, me, Jabstep and tonymnm.  You obviously are a Mighty Macs fan, Jab looks like a Neumann fan and tony is a Centenary fan (overstating the obvious).  There are no GMC fans posting, they have bragging rights but they aren't bragging.  Cabrini fans have something to brag about right now but WolfPAC is not on the boards and he always seemed to stir things up that got people to respond.  I am a Cavs fan, but I try to stay positive.  Marywood and Keystone are doing well but who knows why there are no posters.  HIde you Tony and Jab obviously root for your teams but you guys have had to deal with teams that have struggled this year.  I don't know why your schools fans aren't posting.  IU, Neumann and Centenary are playing for the last two playoff spots at this point in the season.  And Baptist Bible and Philly Bible,  who knows???

I can only speculate that fans of the conference either don't know about the board or they just don't care.  The CSAC is certainly not a power conference.  Maybe that's it.  :(

I'll be attending the GMC/Cabrini game Monday night in Gwynedd, PA.  I'll certainly throw my 2 cents in on both the women and the mens game when I get back to my computer.  For the women.  One will be in first place.  The men's game GMC will still remain in first.  It will just be a matter of if they will run away with conference or not.  I'll be rooting for the Cavs to win those games.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on January 24, 2009, 10:51:43 AM
Very well said Mailsy, and its too bad there arent many posters on here!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 24, 2009, 01:18:25 PM
It really is a shame. Part of the silence is there aren't any rivals anymore.  Most of Cabrini's rivals have all moved to other conferences.  There still is GMC.  Cavs have been playing Neumann for a while (but for Cabrini it's not a rivalry).  IU, Centenary, the Bibles, Keystone and Marywood haven't been around long enough to have real rivals yet.  Hopefully they will develop.  We know nothing of the current teams.(no one posts)  It's cool to hear from fans of teams, it gives you a greater prospective when teams come and play your team. 

Look at Marywood for example they get blown out by GMC early in the season and then they beat an improved team in Cabrini and no one says anything.  I'd been thoroughly excited.  Are there any fans in Scranton or anywhere else for that fact for Marywood.  I know it has only had a men's team for a few years, but complete and total silence from their fans???  Is there anybody out there or is the Pocono Mountain air getting to you?  Keystone is having a good year but they're having the same problem I think.  You know the mountain air.  And the Bibles are they allowed to post???  Cavs, Knights, Cyclones and Mighty Macs fans where are the rest of you???  Maybe this can stir some responses from those teams including from our teams!!!!  ;D

If Cabrini wins at GMC on Monday I'll be excited and I'll also be disappointed if they lose.  But I will say something and I'll go back to my "positivity".  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 24, 2009, 10:50:22 PM
Thank you D3 administration for your approval. Respectfully Wolfpac.   

After reading the current topic posted by the few on the board, it is discouraging  more are not posting.  The athletes in this conference come out every night and battle.  They have academic pressures and personal issues to deal with as well.  They are not like the overgrown babies out there making millions of dollars but rather pure athletes battling to earn their playing time. Many fans who are spectating may  not have anything other than watching a basketball game as an outlet in these tough days of working hard and studying to get ahead.  These athletes truly give it all committed to playing their best win or lose.  Men and women.........Thank you from the Wolf.

Cabrini pulled out the game in Aston.  Could have been less dramatic without a couple of blown calls but the refs don't play the game. Speaking of  refs.. it seems difficult to get good ones on Saturdays with all the games going on out there. The Cavs need to stop reaching and committing needless fouls.  They are beginning to tighten up defensively but need to get more physical and post up #40 down low more often if they are to survive in the playoffs.  Living and dying with the 3 against GMC may not work for long.

With all the changes in Radnor, one must give them all credit for sticking together and accomplishing what they have done so far this year.

To all the other posters...Hide, Jab, etc... it takes alot of time, and hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, work to establish a successful basketball program over time with all the constraints financially, as well as compliance to missions in D3.  I believe there are over 4,321 by laws to stick too!  Recruiting in a saturated area with the cost of tuiton in our schools is another challenge so give credit to all your staffs whether you win or lose...........

Cav fans and alumni...... lets show some appreciation and respect for the legacy we have and help our guys out by showing up at the Dixon Center on JANUARY 31ST FOR THE ALUMNI GAME......... vs Marywood.

All you other non-Cabrini posters out there......you should come too and get a taste of what tradition and pride does for a team.  I am not saying  your schools do not have those elements, just come and observe.  No hard feelings, it is alway more fun and informative when the conference as a whole posts........and is familiar with each institution. 

Hey Mailsy, do not forget about the potholes that swallow you up in that mountain air.

         





Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 24, 2009, 10:58:30 PM
The Wolfpac is back.  It's about time!!  ;D
See you at the games on Monday?  Hope so. 

GO CAVS!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on January 25, 2009, 01:54:42 AM
wolfpack thanks for the invite but I'd rather be at the IU GMC game where I can see our brand new banners its been a while for you guys so you might want to come check them out...i guess the new season of the "real world" has inspired me to "stop being polite and start getting real."  Someone get Champ Kind in here i think a "whammy" is in order...
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 25, 2009, 10:31:40 AM
See it only took Wolfpac to be on the boards and within 3 hours someone with one conference championship (and that's all sports) ;) in 35 years starts talking trash.  See it's good to have the Wolfpac back I knew he would get things rolling.  ;D

IUuKno we understand that you would rather go to the IU game.  If I was a fan of that school you betya I'd be their as well.  Come on you've got to root for your team and enjoy that "ONE" banner. Just kidding.
It may have been awhile in BBall, but from what I remember Cabrini has over "FIFTY EIGHT" banners in their gym.  ;D 

It takes a lot of years to build tradition. I am looking forward to our alumnae game and talking with former teammates and classmates.

Fans and especially former athletes and students need to continue to build on traditions. Newer schools (just started men's teams) have to create new ones.  The fans of this conference need to do that every day and every year.  We need to continue to support our teams.  That's why college sports is so much fun and that's why rivalries are so much fun.  Hopefully we can have fun at the games, root for our teams success and enjoy the boards talking about our teams.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 25, 2009, 01:24:00 PM
Quote from: IUuKno on January 25, 2009, 01:54:42 AM
wolfpack thanks for the invite but I'd rather be at the IU GMC game where I can see our brand new banners its been a while for you guys so you might want to come check them out...i guess the new season of the "real world" has inspired me to "stop being polite and start getting real."  Someone get Champ Kind in here i think a "whammy" is in order...

Iukuno----- it was just last year that our women won the last basketball PAC championship on the road at GMC as an underdog. It felt special cutting the nets down at GMC.  Our men were on the verge but shot horribly at GMC or they would be in the final as well.  The lacrosse banner stays in Radnor as usual.  I am always polite and admire your loyalty to your team.  I surely understand why you would attend your own game as a fan.  Why would I want to be talking negatively about your loyalty?   IU has a rich heritage in women's hoops and deserves recognition even though it was in the 70's.  I was pulling for your team to win it all the first year with your men's program.  Chadwin does a good job.  Your school has class.  Keep it positive and fun.

Who will raise the first men's basketball CSAC champion banner?  Do not count out Keystone.  The push for the playoff spots make every game loom large without Alvernia.

Boy..... Cabrini seems to be a bad word around here but not an excuse for negative posts. Cav fans have passion and loyalty as well.  This is what rivalry is all about.

Thank you again D3 for creating a forum for facilitating dialogue among our conference.  Wish others would chime in once in awhile.   



 

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on January 25, 2009, 04:27:24 PM
Let's get two things straight here.  Number one it is one banner in 3 years not 35 and second this is the men's basketball wall is it not?  So let's keep it that way.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 25, 2009, 06:16:04 PM
Quote from: IUuKno on January 25, 2009, 01:54:42 AM
wolfpack thanks for the invite but I'd rather be at the IU GMC game where I can see our brand new banners its been a while for you guys so you might want to come check them out...i guess the new season of the "real world" has inspired me to "stop being polite and start getting real."  Someone get Champ Kind in here i think a "whammy" is in order...

Iukuno..... you are the one who pluralized the word banner not I....... so based on your "banners" using logic one would tend to believe you would be referencing all sports in your school over a period of years.  Cabrini has gone through eras of titles in men's basketball with the legendary Dzik staff winning consecutive years more than once reaching the NCAA tournaments.  Mailsy could give you the exact figures.

This year the Cavs are doing all right though considering but they are still missing many pieces to put their team over the hurdles.  I believe they make the playoffs.  Do not know about the finals.  The next couple of years will be recruiting and rebuilding the program with Marcus Kahn.   

Cabrini used to own the all-time men's basketball winningest program in the country until the unthinkable happened.  Sorry just trying to keep it all men's basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on January 25, 2009, 06:18:06 PM
Again 1 banner in 3 years of mens sports EXISTENCE at Immaculata. 2 out of 3 the MACS were in the Final. they were the underdog last year against GMC. IU was seeded higher but the 25 pt comeback (a once in a blue moon) @ GMC and then GMC handling the Macs in their only home loss of the year i believe by 20, the Macs were underdogs in the Final at least in my opinion. But my question is What has Cabrini and all these other schools done lately? Lose in the playoffs and not win the Chip. We are the last team to hang a PAC Championship Banner in Basketball. IU YOU KNOW!!!!  
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on January 25, 2009, 06:19:39 PM
wolfpac... there are 2 banners haning in Alumnea. so iuUknow was correct in saying bannerS
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 25, 2009, 06:24:28 PM
Glad to see you are loyal to your school....  that is the spirit. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 25, 2009, 06:29:18 PM
Quote from: HIdeUmm on January 25, 2009, 06:19:39 PM
wolfpac... there are 2 banners haning in Alumnea. so iuUknow was correct in saying bannerS

I'm curious, what is the other banner? 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 25, 2009, 06:31:17 PM
Now I see that there is some considerable talking on this board.  ;D  I'm glad that we are keeping it civil, though. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 25, 2009, 07:38:43 PM
Civil?
What happen to basketball comments?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 25, 2009, 08:06:36 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on January 25, 2009, 07:38:43 PM
Civil?
What happen to basketball comments?

Reserve Seat,

What does Pat C say "Let's discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect."  Civility could also mean not disrespecting, but kidding, couldn't it?  ??? Or was that just a play on words?  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on January 25, 2009, 09:44:00 PM
The one banner is for the PAC championship the other for our first NCAA bid...glad to see you are using logic, but not so happy to see you guys are still heart broken from that divorce some years ago...like after any long term love affair it seems Cabrini needed a couple rebound guys to get themselves over their first love....the first rebound was rushed, trying to convice themselves this was the man for them, even though they knew this relationship was only skin deep and late at night they would roll over and stare at the picture on their night stand wondering if he would forgive us and come back...but too stubborn they stayed conviced this new guy would fill the void and probably let him hang around a bit too long when they knew they should have never gotten involved in the first place...then came the knight in shinning armor, he was young and full of energy, saying all the right things, he was the polor opposite of rebound #1, surely this relationship would last, but then one day Cabrini woke up and he was gone, leaving nothing but a note on the pillow and Cabrini once again looking at old photos of good times past...which brings us to rebound #3 everythings started off great the relationship is new and exciting and they even brought him home to meet the family and everyone loves him...but not matter how great things are going Cabrini still finds itself looking at that night stand photo and can't help wondering if he is thinking of her......So how did I do?  Pretty accurate? 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on January 25, 2009, 09:58:29 PM
Hopefully I didn't offend...I meant no disrespect.  I am well aware of Dzik's great career and the pretty solid record of his predasesor Girard, but I will remind you of the words of the great Sonny LoSpecchio "You gotta do what your heart tells you to do. Let me tell you somethin' right now. You're only allowed three great coaches in your lifetime. They come along like the great fighters, every ten years. Rocky Marciano. Sugar Ray Robinson. Joe Louis. Sometimes you get 'em all at once. Me? I had my three when I was 16. That happens. What are you gonna do? That's the way it goes, you know? Tell you right now. See this coach? Maybe this coach, he put wind in your sails. Maybe he's a great one."  (modified of course)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 25, 2009, 11:31:25 PM
Thanks IUuKno.  I forgot about that NCAA banner that teams get when they get the bid. 

IUuKno, I was not offended hopefully you will never have to experience what many of the Cabrini Alumnae had to deal with when the admin. let Dzik go.  Your post was very eloquent.  But you have to remember.  It is always tough for a new coach who follows a legend to succeed whether the legend goes out on their own terms or goes out on someone elses.  The person following right after has big shoes to fill and they never will fill them. 

I believe that things have settled down and we will again return to success.  I don't believe the school will have the same success of the 80's and 90's.  I could be wrong, but with tuition at colleges like Cabrini and no "athletic scholarships" it will be much tougher.  But with a solid athletic director and good coaching the Cavs will win the championship in the near future.  :o They will make the playoffs this year and I believe will get to the championship game.  Whether they win or not is for a future post.  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 26, 2009, 01:43:32 PM
Lets see what happens at the Griffin Complex tonight Mailsy. Bringing the buses up loaded?

Realistically the women have a shot but the men may be eaten up unless they maintain a stellar shooting percentage from the beyond the arc.  Fundamentals and silly fouls won't cut it and if they turn the ball over it will be pretty ugly for the Cavs. 

Go Cavs.

IU beat Widener. 


Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on January 26, 2009, 11:17:03 PM
Hey guys what's up with Washington?  He looked healthy at the IU game.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 27, 2009, 10:24:09 AM
Wish I knew.  Rebuilding time.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on January 27, 2009, 10:50:20 AM
rebuilding?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 27, 2009, 01:10:01 PM
Cabrini just didn't look good at all last night.  (I wouldn't say rebuilding).  Washington didn't play and the team just was out of sorts.  Gwynedd probably played there best game of the year so far last night and Cabrini by far played their worst.  They didn't shoot well, got outrebounded and just looked like a defeated team before the game even started.  Just one observers opinion.  :(
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 27, 2009, 10:05:10 PM
Quote from: mailsy on January 27, 2009, 01:10:01 PM
Cabrini just didn't look good at all last night.  (I wouldn't say rebuilding).  Washington didn't play and the team just was out of sorts.  Gwynedd probably played there best game of the year so far last night and Cabrini by far played their worst.  They didn't shoot well, got outrebounded and just looked like a defeated team before the game even started.  Just one observers opinion.  :(

Cabrini had too small of a team in height and weight going up against GMC.   They were unable to box anyone out or rebound. Seemed like the players were not mentally prepared. The new coach now knows what kind of players he needs for competing in the conference to fit into his system.  Objectively speaking, an indepth analysis needs to be done for the future.  No depth and weak bench does not help either when your franchise player is absent and your starters are chewed up by a superior opponent. GMC is a real team afterall.  Nice wake up call.  The Lady Cavs on the otherhand were spit and polished like race horses ready to bust out of the gate.   

Financing a college education at Cabrini is a difficult variable to control when recruiting. Perhaps they will end up competitive at least.  As far as a regional powerhouse it will take alot of hard work to get the type of player needed with all the schools nearby.   Tough job to handle during these economic times.  I do not envy the coaching staff.  I am sure they will overcome and succeed though if they stay long enough.  Seems like the whole conference gets stronger while time ticks by though for Cabrini.

   
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachM33 on January 28, 2009, 10:38:42 AM
When recruiting what schools, in conference, do you guys feel have the biggest advantages when it comes to things such as tuition cost, area, programs, facilities, and anything else you can think of?  Who has the biggest disadvantage?  and which programs do the best job recruiting with what they have?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 28, 2009, 06:32:16 PM
Quote from: CoachM33 on January 28, 2009, 10:38:42 AM
When recruiting what schools, in conference, do you guys feel have the biggest advantages when it comes to things such as tuition cost, area, programs, facilities, and anything else you can think of?  Who has the biggest disadvantage?  and which programs do the best job recruiting with what they have?

Facilities are not a variable allowed to lure a person to campus I believe in compliance with the NCAA....  academic entrance requirements, selection of majors, coaches, policies within the school mission, word of mouth, tradition etc......  Obviously it comes down to trust and financial aid packages and who can work the magic numbers.

I would think in this conference that the schools located in areas less saturated with other private d3 institutions have a better shot at landing a recruit than a school on the main line.   However people tend to migrate to basketball rich regions from the mountains and vice-versa.......

I would believe a school like IU would have an advantage winning a conference recently and a young coach who is savy, and say a new school entering the conference may be at a disadvantage with a poor record.   Cabrini with so many changes and high price makes it difficult to get the type of player traditionally in their target market.    On the other hand, a great coach could be the best draw to attract a player.  The program with the most success is good for the pure player but the academic reputation of the institution with the D3 mission with the goal of education number one is the main determining factor with price.   Marywood, Scranton, Keystone they are spread apart if I am correct in the upstate region so location may have more of a say with less high schools in one area.  Depends how far the recruiting effort of the institution is willing to go to succeed.  It is D3... so athletics are not everything only to us phanatics on the board maybe but the athletic part for the student is secondary even though a coach may depend on recruiting for a job.   Please correct me if I am not making sense... only expressing my view for what it is worth.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 28, 2009, 08:22:43 PM
WolfCSAC,
You've covered all the recruiting bases.  But, facilities absolutely is a factor in recruiting. 

Regarding northern geography, Misericordia, King's, Wilkes, Marywood, Keystone, Baptist Bible and Scranton are all within 30-40 minutes of each otherwhich makes for a very competitive recruiting market

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 29, 2009, 09:21:01 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on January 28, 2009, 08:22:43 PM
WolfCSAC,
You've covered all the recruiting bases.  But, facilities absolutely is a factor in recruiting. 

Regarding northern geography, Misericordia, King's, Wilkes, Marywood, Keystone, Baptist Bible and Scranton are all within 30-40 minutes of each otherwhich makes for a very competitive recruiting market



Lefty,  I am sure the appeal of the physical place where the game is played is a huge variable in determining where one would like to play and attend from the athlete's point of view.  What I meant to say unless I am wrong and I apologize if I am incorrect.... an institution may have a policy where it cannot use the building alone to recruit a player.  I would think it would be an unfair advantage if one place had the best facility it would attract the best players regardless of the other factors.  I believe at one CSAC school that the staff is not permitted to sell a potential player on just the athletic facilities. Now  I do not know if it is a policy across the board or just specific to the school.   A coach also told me if I bring someone in to watch a game it is OK but you cannot just bring someone in and see an empty building to sell them on  it unless it is part of the campus as a whole tour. (Grants, private donations then would come into play with construction in an affluent geographic area or one donor could make the playing field more unlevel). 

Again Lefty2, this may only apply to one school not the NCAA so please if you know shed some light on the issue...or anyone else... appreciate it.   
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 29, 2009, 01:10:11 PM
Well, tonight will tell if Neuman will be even with Cabrini. Lets see what Keystone can do against GMC......

Things are getting tight in the middle.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 29, 2009, 11:44:47 PM
GMC won as expected.  They are going to run away with this conference.  Not giving up. Maybe they'll have a couple of stinkers at the end.  Cabrini wins again against BBC.  Kevin Misevicius scores a school record 41 points!!  :o Neumann shows Mr Hyde tonight losing to Centenary.  Congrats Centenary fans!  Mighty Macs blow out Philly Bible.

Right now GMC will have the one seed.  I'm not sure about tiebreakers but Cabrini or Marywood would be a 2nd or 3rd seeds.  Marywood - 4 Neumann - 5 and Immaculata - 6.  Still... just half way through conference play. 

Do you think it will stay or will BBC or Centenary sneak in and if so, who will get knocked out?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on January 30, 2009, 06:48:41 AM
Of course I am gonna go with my Cyclones for the last spot. I know they have both of the Bible schools left along with Marywood who they lost to by 2 points earlier in the year. The new staff seems to be playing more people off the bench, and have been getting some production , along with rest for their starters. Anyway it ends up I think they did a very good job this year, so far. There was no falling apart like other years, it would be good experience for the players and coaches to make the playoffs. Of course GMC will beat everyone this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 30, 2009, 08:50:22 AM
Quote from: tonymnm on January 30, 2009, 06:48:41 AM
Of course I am gonna go with my Cyclones for the last spot. I know they have both of the Bible schools left along with Marywood who they lost to by 2 points earlier in the year. The new staff seems to be playing more people off the bench, and have been getting some production , along with rest for their starters. Anyway it ends up I think they did a very good job this year, so far. There was no falling apart like other years, it would be good experience for the players and coaches to make the playoffs. Of course GMC will beat everyone this year.

So tonymnm,

Of course you think the Cyclones are going to make it. But who do you think, that is ahead of them now, will not make it?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on January 30, 2009, 09:50:34 AM
just a thought tony GMC was SUPPOSED to beat IU the last 2 yrs in the playoff, in the semis 2 yrs ago and in the chip last year (according to popular opinion) theres always something about GMC that makes me not think they cant finish (personal opinion) . I HAVE NOT seen them play too much but 7-8 mins @ neumann on webcast, they are good but i still think anyone can beat anyone in this league. Never ASSUME anything when it comes to this league.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachM33 on January 30, 2009, 10:37:24 AM
Just glancing over the rest of the conference schedule....I really think that last spot is still up for grabs...Immaculata is holding on to that 6 spot, but they have some tough matchups.  Centenary could possibly squeak in but needs to beat IU and split with Cabrini along win the rest of the Bible games.  From what I saw of Baptist Bible I think they are the least likely, Now granted I did see them when Centenary blew them out, but they also had that hangover win against Keystone, but I just didn't see them as a better team even if they did play well, plus Centenary has them at home later on.  I don't know if Centenary will squeak in or not but they still have a shot I think (Good luck Tony!). 

As far as the recruiting issue, I think you make a good point wolf, I understand what you are saying when it comes to selling on facilities, but I think that has a major part to do in recruiting.  Who has the nicest facilities in the conference?  I don't mean Gym, I mean overall, dorms, weightrooms, classrooms, everything on campus. 

Also, you make a good point (lefty) and the schools that are close to each other have recruiting issues.  The upstate teams are close to each other, also Centenary is in a tough area as well, they are within 50 mins of most of the NJAC and Landmark schools, if they would be able to lure some NJAC talent away they would be alot more athletic. The problem there is Centenary is like Cabrini in that it cost alot to go there.

Any ideas which coach will do the best job recruiting this year? or which coach does the best job year in and out?   
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: zonescantstopme on January 30, 2009, 11:04:27 AM
my CYCLONES with a big win last night over nuemann
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 30, 2009, 12:30:58 PM
Quote from: HIdeUmm on January 30, 2009, 09:50:34 AM
just a thought tony GMC was SUPPOSED to beat IU the last 2 yrs in the playoff, in the semis 2 yrs ago and in the chip last year (according to popular opinion) theres always something about GMC that makes me not think they cant finish (personal opinion) . I HAVE NOT seen them play too much but 7-8 mins @ neumann on webcast, they are good but i still think anyone can beat anyone in this league. Never ASSUME anything when it comes to this league.  Complacency sets in too.

HideUmm, you bring up a good point about GMC, historically they seem to get  tentative coming up short at times.....I have witnessed this often prior to IU episodes even on their own court.  Neuman, Misery have shocked them a few times down the stretch in the past before the "chip" match.   Just when you thought it is GMC or Alvernia locked in for the banner....agree strongly anyone is capable.  Glad to see IU in there instead of Alvernia and GMC all the time. Complacency sets in as well.  Hope IU and the Cavs meet in the playoffs if Cavs hang in there.

CM33----I think NJAC is more like our state schools are they not? They have a better financial advantage with dollars earmarked towards athletes almost like a D2 with consolidations of community colleges in the past and Trenton State, Glasssboro ........  Our conference is more private institutions with high tuition and smaller enrollments.  Maybe our small institutions should integrate within certain geographic areas to compete financially and pool talent but again the mission of D3.


Mailsy,  Did Kevin M. have any dunks ? ?  Hard to get excited with the Cavs for me this year except for the Lady Cavs.   Trying to keep things in perspective with the less than stellar conference. The Cavs will have problems in the "big games" with their size and height.  Seems to me they live and die with the 3 and have a difficult time defending the rim without a big man.  If they use their speed and somehow shoot stellar they could fool some bigger teams but defense wins not the 3 ball.  They need some low post boys and cannot afford to miss their foul shots.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jabstep08 on January 30, 2009, 01:00:50 PM
Imo, i think that coach baron has done a good job with getting players since GMC hgas won a couple championships. Hogga was a steal. I think that Neumann should have the best chances of getting players since they are about 20 to 30 mins away from philly and they are 5 mins away from chester. But in  the past they have got some good talent solomon harris, raheem washington, omar warthen from the philly area and randy maultsby and derhan patrick from chester and ronnie fields from penn wood. I dont think they got recruited but they just landed at the school. come playoff time i think anything can happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on January 30, 2009, 02:02:42 PM
Mailsy,

                       I think if the Cyclones get in they will take Imaculata's spot, because if you look at the schedule they still have to play GMC twice, also at Newman and Centanary in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on January 30, 2009, 02:19:15 PM
maybe a little bias here but can you say that centenary is going to beat the MACS when they havent in 3 tries. I know they are improved their coach has done a great job with them but to say that we have to play GMC twice and then follow up with centenary?? I dont think that BBC will beat the MACS at home. IU always shows up at Neumann as well. Like i said anybody can beat anyone on any given day in this conference. thats why it gets so crazy down the stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 31, 2009, 12:46:31 AM
Quote from: Wolfpac on January 30, 2009, 12:30:58 PM

Mailsy,  Did Kevin M. have any dunks ? ?  Hard to get excited with the Cavs for me this year except for the Lady Cavs.   Trying to keep things in perspective with the less than stellar conference. The Cavs will have problems in the "big games" with their size and height.  Seems to me they live and die with the 3 and have a difficult time defending the rim without a big man.  If they use their speed and somehow shoot stellar they could fool some bigger teams but defense wins not the 3 ball.  They need some low post boys and cannot afford to miss their foul shots.

I don't know.  I wasn't there.  But he did shoot 18-23 from the field, 2-5 from 3 pt range and 3-3 from the line.  They did outpoint BBC in the paint 44-32 but only 6-15 from threes.  But you are right they don't have a true "bigman". Dom and Cali do a good job for their size but...  Regarding lady Cavs start something on the women's board.  It really is quiet over there.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 01, 2009, 01:25:40 AM
Two nice solid wins for Cabrini today Mailsy. Hoping they get what it is all about taking it strong to the hoop.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: dwarf on February 01, 2009, 10:23:00 AM
Hey cav fans--where is Glenn Washington?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 01, 2009, 04:12:42 PM
thats a good question dwarf...

good game yesterday between GMC and IU. IU slowed them down but didnt have the offense themselves to get it done...

anyone want to pick the games for tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachM33 on February 02, 2009, 01:00:05 PM
I think GMC, Keystone, and Cabrini win tonight.

Centenary needs this one tonight , in order keep pace for that last spot.  They are going to have to split with Cabrini in order to do so, and tonight would be a great opportunity with Cabrini getting that big win this weekend. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 03, 2009, 01:51:14 AM
Quote from: CoachM33 on February 02, 2009, 01:00:05 PM
I think GMC, Keystone, and Cabrini win tonight.

Centenary needs this one tonight , in order keep pace for that last spot.  They are going to have to split with Cabrini in order to do so, and tonight would be a great opportunity with Cabrini getting that big win this weekend. 

CoachM33 you were 2 out of 3, as many probably had it the same way.  Who would have thought that GMC would have gotten beaten by Marywood.  ??? I certainly did not expect that.  I think GMC overlooked them when they blew them out at home.  Marywood plays well at home they are 4-1 in conference play.

The last 2 weeks of the season are going to be exciting, aren't they?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 03, 2009, 03:47:09 PM
Too early for the matrix??? im just getting excited i guess... the Macs need to go on a roll. congrats Marywood pulling off a tough task.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chairman on February 03, 2009, 06:07:45 PM
Matrix-makers in the Freedom room now-- Next year Commonwealth.
Is there any news about the Washington situation at Cabrini?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 03, 2009, 09:22:58 PM
Nothing offical from me but, everything I have heard says he will not be playing the rest of the season...has anyone else heard otherwise?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 03, 2009, 11:23:35 PM
Since last week there have been some changes in the standings.  GMC is still first. (That loss to Marywood should encourage everyone else in the conference) Cabrini is 2, Keystone 3rd. Marywood is 4. Baptist Bible exchanged places with Neumann and is now 5.  Immaculata remains at 6. 

Can Neumann overcome their Jekyll and Hyde status and get on a roll?  Will Immaculata and Baptist Bible maintain their places, move up or move out.  Can Centenary move into the playoffs?

So what do you think.

BTW don't believe everything you hear or read!! :-X
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 04, 2009, 09:03:46 AM
the macs have to go on a roll... they will make the playoffs just what spot remains to be seen.


so does that mean we will see Washington again this season mailsy???
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachM33 on February 04, 2009, 10:53:11 AM
Looking at the schedule again, I still think that anyone has a chance for the 2 spots.  I think Baptist Bible has a tough road ahead.  3 of their last 5 are on the road, and 1 at home against GMC! They should pick up the Phily Bible win.  Centenary surprisingly may have a shot here, they are at home most of the way until their last game @ Marywood, I fear they might need that to get in though.  If Neuman can start to gel at the right time they will get in.  And IU needs to win the games they are capable of winning.  So, i guess my take on things will be BB and Centenary miss out.  But if I am wrong, it wont be the first time and def won't be the last. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on February 05, 2009, 09:44:42 PM
Congrats to my Cyclones they took out IU tonight. Believe or not there still in the hunt for a playoff spot!!! Great job to the new staff, and good luck to all the teams, it should be a fun couple of weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on February 05, 2009, 10:23:46 PM
WOW BB BEAT GMC TONIGHT 91-89!!!!!  ITS ANYONES LEAGUE NOW AT THE TOP!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 05, 2009, 11:05:06 PM
Quote from: tonymnm on February 05, 2009, 10:23:46 PM
WOW BB BEAT GMC TONIGHT 91-89!!!!!  ITS ANYONES LEAGUE NOW AT THE TOP!!!!
Now Saturday's game with Cabrini is even bigger.  IF, and it is a big IF, Cabrini wins on Saturday they could move back into first place.  I didn't like the fact GMC lost tonight.  You would rather see a team win right before you play them.  But I like the Cavs chances. 

Currently Gwynedd is the 1 seed, Cabrini is 2, Keystone is 3, Marywood who beats Keystone is 4th but moving closer.  Baptist Bible is now 5 and Neumann is the 6 seed.  Centenary is ahead of Immaculata with both teams 1 game out.  And then there is PBU.  At 0-10 in conference they are pretty much out of it.

So with 2 weeks to go who will get the 1 and 2 seeds and the first round bye.  Will the Mighty Macs get back in? Or will Baptist Bible and Jekyll and Hyde(Neumann) hold on.  Or will someone in the top 4 fall out all together.  With 5/6 games remaining it will be fun!!!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chairman on February 05, 2009, 11:31:42 PM
Mailsy- any word yet on the potential return of GW? Is he injured? It can't be an academic thing because he played four games after classes started second semester. Is he at the games? Obviously the Cavs are figuring out how to play without him, but if he comes back will that mess things up?

Battle of Eagle Road on Monday
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 05, 2009, 11:49:22 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 05, 2009, 11:31:42 PM
Mailsy- any word yet on the potential return of GW? Is he injured? It can't be an academic thing because he played four games after classes started second semester. Is he at the games? Obviously the Cavs are figuring out how to play without him, but if he comes back will that mess things up?

Battle of Eagle Road on Monday

I have seen him at the games.  I was told something in confidence why he is not playing and I don't know if will get resolved for him to be able to play.  I hope so.  He's a good kid and he wants to play.  He is a talent and it shouldn't mess things up much, since he did play half a season with them. 

I am looking forward to the battle of Eagle Road.

BTW who on Eastern's team can get rattled.  I'm looking to start a chant.  We rattled Arnold Johnson for 3 1/2 years when he played Cabrini until he finally blocked it out in his senior year.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chairman on February 06, 2009, 12:27:31 AM
A kinder, gentler room. Nice. I hope things work out for Glenn.

The Eagles are all young, but they have grown in their ability to win in tight ball games. They seem to get better as the game goes on. I think they shoot 10-15%  better from the foul line in the second half for the year.

Monday should be entertaining. I hope that kids from both schools turn out and that it is a fun event. It will be interesting how the single game vs. two game series and non-league vs. conference status changes the atmosphere on the court and off.



Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 06, 2009, 09:47:14 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 05, 2009, 11:05:06 PM
Quote from: tonymnm on February 05, 2009, 10:23:46 PM
WOW BB BEAT GMC TONIGHT 91-89!!!!!  ITS ANYONES LEAGUE NOW AT THE TOP!!!!
Now Saturday's game with Cabrini is even bigger.  IF, and it is a big IF, Cabrini wins on Saturday they could move back into first place.  I didn't like the fact GMC lost tonight.  You would rather see a team win right before you play them.  But I like the Cavs chances. 

Currently Gwynedd is the 1 seed, Cabrini is 2, Keystone is 3, Marywood who beats Keystone is 4th but moving closer.  Baptist Bible is now 5 and Neumann is the 6 seed.  Centenary is ahead of Immaculata with both teams 1 game out.  And then there is PBU.  At 0-10 in conference they are pretty much out of it.

So with 2 weeks to go who will get the 1 and 2 seeds and the first round bye.  Will the Mighty Macs get back in? Or will Baptist Bible and Jekyll and Hyde(Neumann) hold on.  Or will someone in the top 4 fall out all together.  With 5/6 games remaining it will be fun!!!  ;D


Baron threw the game to motivate his team! !   (just kidding)
Wow! the men all lace up their shoes the same way on the court so anybody and anything can happen. 

With the two D1 transfers on GMC's roster I cannot believe they will lose to Cabrini but you gotta believe if you are a Cavs fan.   Just hope Cavs fans come out tomorrow and pack the Dixon Center.  If GW plays it could be just what the doctor ordered for the Cavs.   

EU seems to have talent but are green this year and will get better and better. The refs in the MAC are also different in calling a game. If EU was in the CSAC it would be different matrix.

Congratulation to BBible...... maybe this win will provide some motivation for the Bible men to post. WOW Mailsy.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 06, 2009, 01:54:39 PM
I met some of the Baptist Bible fans at their NCAA tournament game last season.  They had a spirited following.

By the way, We plan to have a live audio broadcast of the Gwynedd-Mercy/Cabrini doubleheader tomorrow starting with the women at 1 pm.  The men follow at 3 pm.

Click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/asxfiles-live/il83winlive3147.asx) to listen.

I know Cabrini has live audio and video through Penn Atlantic, but please click on our stream at least once so I feel like there's somebody out there. :)

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 06, 2009, 06:01:27 PM
I would love to hear from someone who saw the BB GMC game....GMC called for 18 fouls BB only 6...GMC attempting 7 ft's BB attempting 27...having played in games in that region and seeing that stat line it's going to be a tough sell to me that that was a fairly officiated game
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chairman on February 06, 2009, 06:55:28 PM
There is certainly something about going up into Dunder Mifflin Country. gordon, are you sticking around for the Battle of Eagle Road on Monday Night? I heard there will be a new trophy unveiled...
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 06, 2009, 07:54:13 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 06, 2009, 06:55:28 PM
There is certainly something about going up into Dunder Mifflin Country. gordon, are you sticking around for the Battle of Eagle Road on Monday Night? I heard there will be a new trophy unveiled...

Yes, I heard that also.  It should really be interesting to see who will hold the inaugural Battle of Eagle Road Trophy. 

Quote from: IUuKno on February 06, 2009, 06:01:27 PM
I would love to hear from someone who saw the BB GMC game....GMC called for 18 fouls BB only 6...GMC attempting 7 ft's BB attempting 27...having played in games in that region and seeing that stat line it's going to be a tough sell to me that that was a fairly officiated game

IUuKno, I kind of understand where you are coming from.  Seeing that stat line seems odd,  considering that GMC has a huge inside game and there were only SIX fouls and 7 ft's. 

Quote from: gordonmann on February 06, 2009, 01:54:39 PM
I met some of the Baptist Bible fans at their NCAA tournament game last season.  They had a spirited following.

By the way, We plan to have a live audio broadcast of the Gwynedd-Mercy/Cabrini doubleheader tomorrow starting with the women at 1 pm.  The men follow at 3 pm.

Click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/asxfiles-live/il83winlive3147.asx) to listen.

I know Cabrini has live audio and video through Penn Atlantic, but please click on our stream at least once so I feel like there's somebody out there. :)



Gordon, hopefully that "spirited" following will show up on the boards!   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: patriot1741 on February 06, 2009, 09:35:38 PM
gmc shot 86% in the first half, that showed bb playing no 'd' at all... smith was 9-10 for  the game, gmc shot 63% for the game, so it seems like their 20 to's played a bigger role in the loss  than anything... not sure about the whole foul thing, i know officiating on the perimeter seems to be called a little tighter up north... what are the odds that cabrini could upset gmc and take the top seed for the tourney?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 06, 2009, 11:21:33 PM
Welcome to the board patriot1741.  It's good to see new posters with some great insight.  The odds are slim but they are a lot better since GMC has lost and got beat on the road.  Now this road trip is only a 25 minute ride at most.  But it is away from their home band box so anything is possible.  I know Cavs morale is probably going to be a lot higher for this game then the game at GMC when Washington was a scratch.  Cabrini also has a 9-1 record at home. 

GO CAVS!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 07, 2009, 08:32:02 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 06, 2009, 11:21:33 PM
Welcome to the board patriot1741.  It's good to see new posters with some great insight.  The odds are slim but they are a lot better since GMC has lost and got beat on the road.  Now this road trip is only a 25 minute ride at most.  But it is away from their home band box so anything is possible.  I know Cavs morale is probably going to be a lot higher for this game then the game at GMC when Washington was a scratch.  Cabrini also has a 9-1 record at home. 

GO CAVS!!!!!


Nice touch there Mailsy........ could you give me some insight into this new trophy?  (The battle of Eagle Road Trophy)

Like the Go Cavs........ Do not underestimate the Cavs in big games in their own building, hoping we get a good ref crew who lets them play today without calling all the girly fouls. Who will come up big today?  Hope you get to the game somehow.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 07, 2009, 08:34:47 AM
Quote from: patriot1741 on February 06, 2009, 09:35:38 PM
gmc shot 86% in the first half, that showed bb playing no 'd' at all... smith was 9-10 for  the game, gmc shot 63% for the game, so it seems like their 20 to's played a bigger role in the loss  than anything... not sure about the whole foul thing, i know officiating on the perimeter seems to be called a little tighter up north... what are the odds that cabrini could upset gmc and take the top seed for the tourney?

Sorry, welcome Patriot hope you chime in alot.  Makes it fun and informative. Will you be heading to any games today?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 07, 2009, 08:43:35 AM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 07, 2009, 08:32:02 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 06, 2009, 11:21:33 PM
Welcome to the board patriot1741.  It's good to see new posters with some great insight.  The odds are slim but they are a lot better since GMC has lost and got beat on the road.  Now this road trip is only a 25 minute ride at most.  But it is away from their home band box so anything is possible.  I know Cavs morale is probably going to be a lot higher for this game then the game at GMC when Washington was a scratch.  Cabrini also has a 9-1 record at home. 

GO CAVS!!!!!


Nice touch there Mailsy........ could you give me some insight into this new trophy?  (The battle of Eagle Road Trophy)

Like the Go Cavs........ Do not underestimate the Cavs in big games in their own building, hoping we get a good ref crew who lets them play today without calling all the girly fouls. Who will come up big today?  Hope you get to the game somehow.

Creative juices going.  I will not be attending today's game.  Other obligations.  I expect full write up of your thoughts on both games (on both boards) after they are over. 

I can not give you any insight on the trophy, other than I heard them talking about it in pre-season.  I'll be looking forward to seeing it on Monday Night.

GO CAVS BEAT GMC!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chizwiz on February 07, 2009, 09:32:42 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 05, 2009, 11:49:22 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 05, 2009, 11:31:42 PM
Mailsy- any word yet on the potential return of GW? Is he injured? It can't be an academic thing because he played four games after classes started second semester. Is he at the games? Obviously the Cavs are figuring out how to play without him, but if he comes back will that mess things up?

Battle of Eagle Road on Monday

I have seen him at the games.  I was told something in confidence why he is not playing and I don't know if will get resolved for him to be able to play.  I hope so.  He's a good kid and he wants to play.  He is a talent and it shouldn't mess things up much, since he did play half a season with them. 

I am looking forward to the battle of Eagle Road.

BTW who on Eastern's team can get rattled.  I'm looking to start a chant.  We rattled Arnold Johnson for 3 1/2 years when he played Cabrini until he finally blocked it out in his senior year.   ;D

Mailsy, your interest in confidentiality is admirable.  However, I wasn't told what you were told in confidence.  The reason Glenn Washington is not playing is because he kind of forgot to register for classes this semester.  I also hear that Cabrini might have to forfeit the games that he played in during this semester.  Hey, Glenn, you're not in the pros yet!  You actually do need to at least show up for classes, even at Cabrini.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chairman on February 07, 2009, 10:32:53 AM
Chiz --- not sure what your source is, but there are a lot of things that can happen with a registrar's office that may be beyond a kid's control. I'm inclined to believe Mailsy that it is a mix up, and that it is probably a very difficult situation. For Glenn's sake, I hope the situation gets resolved quickly. He is an excellent player and a really nice kid.

Chiz-- every story you hear probably has a lot more sides to it than you are prepared to consider. Keep that in mind before you blast someone you don't know in a public forum.

I haven't seen the trophy, but I have heard it will be worth winning.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 07, 2009, 11:18:27 AM
Well thank you chiz for at least saying what we all already know.  It may be a mix up and it may not be any one individual's fault but the fact of the matter is if someone is not enrolled in classes they can't play.  Plain and simple and the fact that this situation extended to the tune of what 4 games?  That is unacceptable.  Teams lose kids all the time over the semester breaks and its never good for the school or individual and having played on a team where that has lost people in a similar mannor, I am suprised to see how this has played out.  Let's just hope they resolve this before the end of the season...
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chizwiz on February 07, 2009, 12:22:46 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 07, 2009, 10:32:53 AM
Chiz --- not sure what your source is, but there are a lot of things that can happen with a registrar's office that may be beyond a kid's control. I'm inclined to believe Mailsy that it is a mix up, and that it is probably a very difficult situation. For Glenn's sake, I hope the situation gets resolved quickly. He is an excellent player and a really nice kid.

Chiz-- every story you hear probably has a lot more sides to it than you are prepared to consider. Keep that in mind before you blast someone you don't know in a public forum.

I haven't seen the trophy, but I have heard it will be worth winning.

Chair, really a registrar's issue?  Do you actually believe that the problem was somehow that the registrar forgot to process Washington's paperwork?  I have been involved in colleges enough and went through enough college/post-grad to be reticent to believe that.  Maybe less conjecture on your part would end some of the rumors that people are hearing.

BTW, I'm sure he's a nice kid, too.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chairman on February 07, 2009, 12:51:14 PM
What happens if a bank decides that they are not going to continue to extend a student loan? In other times in history, a family could go find another bank or the college might be able to set up a plan. We don't live in those times. I'm not saying this is what happened, but there are situations that are more plausible than just didn't register for second semester classes and wanted to be a pro player.

If you named your source, I would be inclined to give your explaation some credence. But for now, I am more inclined to believe Mailsy in his explanation from the kid himself that it is a complicated situation.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chairman on February 07, 2009, 12:59:04 PM
One more thing ... A pretty significant number of people who went to college in the 90's defaulted on their student loans, so it is more difficult for kids today to get and keep that supply of funding.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 07, 2009, 01:06:50 PM
Thats all well and good, but the real issue here is whether or not rules have been broken and if they have, then that will drastically change the course of this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 07, 2009, 03:44:28 PM
Nice Solid Win for the Macs today. Sloppy and inconsistent at bad times to let BBC get back in the game but Rob Siter iced it with 4 crucial foul shots. hopefully it starts a run. Last year IU was 1-4 in the final 5 games. lets not repeat that again this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: dwarf on February 07, 2009, 04:13:32 PM
Cabrini up 1 12 minutes to go--G Washington is playing
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on February 07, 2009, 05:05:34 PM
Great job to Centenary!!! They just beat Keystone 81-74. Hope the Cyclones keep fighting till the end thats two in a row!!! Big one Monday at home vs. BB for a fight for one of the last playoff spots. Wow cant believe Im saying that about my Cyclones a game that means something in Febuary!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 07, 2009, 05:17:44 PM
GMC giving up over 90 points in 3 straight games?  Effort or design which is it?  Congrats to Cabrini, Centenary and IU for big wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 07, 2009, 06:07:52 PM
Quote from: IUuKno on February 07, 2009, 11:18:27 AM
Well thank you chiz for at least saying what we all already know.  It may be a mix up and it may not be any one individual's fault but the fact of the matter is if someone is not enrolled in classes they can't play.  Plain and simple and the fact that this situation extended to the tune of what 4 games?  That is unacceptable.  Teams lose kids all the time over the semester breaks and its never good for the school or individual and having played on a team where that has lost people in a similar mannor, I am suprised to see how this has played out.  Let's just hope they resolve this before the end of the season...


Chair thank you, for being a voice of reason.  Certain issues are beyond the control of a person sometimes as well as a college and should remain confidential. It would be public knowledge if any violations existed so move on Chiz.  There are over 4,329 by laws for compliance with certain conditions that effect  whether or not any by-laws have been broken as well as full-time compliance officers, commissioners so please chill out  the issue is history.

The men outworked GMC today as a team and came out ready to win. They were not going to lose today.  GMC made some dum fouls and turnovers which did not help them.  Washington did not play until well into the first half.   They were up the most without him in the game but he hit a couple of clutch 3's.  It was the Mischeivicious show and hardwork by every player.
Defense wins and the Cavs actually rebounded today.

Trust Mailsy he is a credible source Chiz.  Chairman understands.

See you Monday Chiz.     Nice to have you back on the board.  You like to chime in when the Cavs play EU..     Hey Chiz tell us about this trophy since you know so much will ya?   How is EU doing in the MAC?  I know they beat Manhattan and Alvernia but overall I know they have some young bucks and the refs in the MAC make it harder over there.  Let me know.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: patriot1741 on February 07, 2009, 07:40:50 PM
so are those 4 games that gw played in going to be in jeopardy or is that unfounded and useless speculation?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chairman on February 07, 2009, 11:14:08 PM
C- Hizzle Dizzle

Reticent... usually used as to describe someone who is inclined to be silent or uncommunicative. On occasion it can be used to describe something that is understated and reserved. Let's use reluctant to believe or incredulous, but avoid words that connote silence or reservation-- they don't suit you :-)

When forced to do so, I prefer to consume the avian scavenger with Tabasco; others eat crow with relish. It's up to you.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 08, 2009, 01:03:32 AM
WOW!!!

I just got in a little while ago(what a day for me) and couldn't wait to get to D3hoops and check out the action of today.  What a tremendous win by Cabrini.   You could say it was an upset, but I had a good feeling about this game.   :) I'm glad to see that GW got to play today and scored 20.  I wish I could see a tape of that game.  That would be a fun one to watch. Congrats Cavs.

Also congratulations go out to the Cyclones, Mighty Macs and their fans as well.  Nice wins.

Boy there was a lot of activity on this board today.  ???  Lot of speculation with no basis in facts.  Obviously by Glenn playing today his situation is corrected... as I believed it would.  I am glad to see that.  I'm glad to see someone else delivered.  8)

Let's see how the BATTLE OF EAGLE ROAD pans out on Monday and who wins the inaugural trophy.  I'm looking forward to it.

As always Mailsy  ;D 

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: patriot1741 on February 08, 2009, 03:54:13 PM
neumann seems to be the team that is labeled 'jekyll and hyde', but i think you could make a pretty good case for baptist bible being the same way, if not more... beat keystone 76-72, lose to centenary at HOME 86-54, then turn around and beat gwynedd 91-89... whats goin on with those guys?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 08, 2009, 06:27:42 PM
Quote from: patriot1741 on February 08, 2009, 03:54:13 PM
neumann seems to be the team that is labeled 'jekyll and hyde', but i think you could make a pretty good case for baptist bible being the same way, if not more... beat keystone 76-72, lose to centenary at HOME 86-54, then turn around and beat gwynedd 91-89... whats goin on with those guys?


patriot, good point.  I think GMC was not in the mood and the officials were from a different time zone at that game.  GMC has dropped 3 road games. Neuman keeps every game close but seems to not play a whole game so during crunch time they bend and break or commit a stupid foul; could be discipline.    BB on the otherhand I have seen them play several times, they give it their all each night and are even keel with discipline.Seems like they play a simple physical game without flash and pull out their games with solid fundamentals.  BB and Cent seem to be just a couple of years away from great things.  Keystone is also a physical solid team.  Perhaps the athleticism of some of the more consistent teams is the reason why they stay in the top spots.  Coaching and discipline with character.  Without one of the ingredients teams play up and down.   Listening to the coach and having the extra character to take a chance and put it on the line for the team is not enough when you are out coached or lose your cool.   The conference may be weak nationally but you have to work hard and battle for every win consistently.   I see where you are coming from with BB but I think they are consistent compared to Neuman just that they are green to the conference.   Please, I am not saying you are wrong just my opinion.

A balanced, disciplined team full of character and respect is what everyone wants but it is easier said than done to build a team without hard, hard work.   It is how you play the game not the W or L which makes a team consistent not scores. At the end of the day the score is not the only thing that matters but most of the time the team that is fundamentally sound and disciplined gets the W...... making those foul shots, smart decisions, flying high at the right time, passing in the right lanes, no turnovers and controlling the ball.  We may have fooled alot of people who are big and tall or athletes who score 30pts a game and lead in all stat categories that they know how to play basketball, but....... a  whole team is what it takes to win consistently night in and night out.  Can only fool ya some of the time if you know what I mean.   (playing smart)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: patriot1741 on February 08, 2009, 06:37:56 PM
i think you make some really good points there, and neumann losing a couple of their starters for the bb game (idk about other games)... i know the previous conference that pbu, bbc and keystone came from was completely different - you really only had to show up for the top 5 teams in the conference and the rest were downright horrendous... i think part of the reason bb has dropped some games to teams below them in standings can be traced there, they also have had very good bigs the last 4-6 years and this year they are playing a much smaller lineup, so its probably taking some adjustments for coaches and players to adapt to a different style... after saturdays games, what are everyone's thoughts on the playoff picture?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on February 08, 2009, 07:30:13 PM
           Well as far as the playoffs go, it should be interesting. The top 4 are ok, but not sure what order that will end up. Than you have 4 teams going for 2 spots. Right now BB has the upperhand at 6-6 for 1 spot with 3 games left a BIG ONE Monday at Centenary, than at Phil. Bible, and they finish at Keystone. If they beat Centenary and Phil there in, but of course I think MY CYCLONES WILL WIN THAT!!!!  Next and not because Im biased Centenaryat 5-6 has the best chance for the last spot, but they have to win at least 2 more if not 3. They have BB Monday, Cabrini at home, than they go to GMC, Marywood and finish at Phil Bible. They have to beat BB and Phil Bible , and hopefully pull an upset over one of the other three to be sure.

             IU is 5-6 but has 5 games left and 4 of them with the top of the league. They are at Marywood, Neuman, and GMC. They have 2 at home against Keystone and Cabrini. Neuman is 5-7 with 4 left. They are at GMC and Cabrini, and 2 at home against IU and Marywood. Anything can happen though as we have seen with GMC falling, so it should be a fun week or so!!!!
         
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 08, 2009, 08:20:33 PM
My point in calling them Jekyll and Hyde is that I expected more from this team than they are showing at this point.  Baptist Bible did win their conference last year(even though it was even weaker than the CSAC) and they lost a lot from last year.  Not saying Neumann didn't, I just expected more from them and they have been more inconsistent than anybody else in the conference.  I guess I was disappointed in what they have brought to the table so far.

Here is something interesting I went back to www.CSACsports.org  (http://www.csacsports.org) and looked at the preseason favorites.  Here is a list of what was expected in the preseason vs current standings:

Preseason                                                             Current
1. Gwynedd-Mercy College                                   1. Cabrini College
2. Immaculata University                                      2. Gwynedd-Mercy College
3. Neumann College                                             3. Marywood University
4. Cabrini College                                                4. Keystone College
5. Marywood University                                        5. Baptist Bible College
6. Baptist Bible College                                         6. Centenary College
7. Centenary College                                           7. Immaculata University
8. Keystone College                                            8. Neumann College
9. Philadelphia Biblical University                            9. Philadelphia Biblical University

The only one the coaches had right so far is PBU.  But we all know preseason polls don't matter it's the games you play.

Currently Cabrini holds first place, but I'm not sure if they will hold it.  They are 6-0 at home but 3-3 on the road. They have IU and Cent on the road and PBU and Neumann at home.  They could go 3-1 or even 2-2 and finish 2nd. (I don't like the road games). GMC is 5-0 at home with 3 games against NC, Cent. and IU.  They are 3-3 on the road with PBU (should be a win) and Keystone(5-0 at home) this game could be another road loss for GMC. They could finish 4-1 or even 3-2.  Only 1 loss might get them the one seed. Marywood is 5-1 at home they have IU and Cent, at home, on the road they are 3-4 with one game at Neumann.  I believe they finish 9-7 and 4th.  Keystone has three games at home. The Bibles and GMC and IU on the road.  They finish 10-6 and third.  BBC currently 5th has a big game with Centenary on Monday.  They are on the road the rest of the way.  @Cent, PBU and Keystone.  That Centenary game they need to win if they expect to make playoffs, if not they finish 7-9 and probably out.  Centenary holds the last playoff spot currently.  They are 4-2 at home and have BBC and Cabrini left.  They could get both.  But on the road they play at GMC, Marywood and PBU.  They could go 3-2 or 2-3.  Making playoffs with the former not so sure with the latter record.  Immaculata is 4-2 at home, they have Keystone and Cabrini at home.  They need both these games.  They travel to Marywood, Neumann and GMC. They are 1-4 away from Alumnae Hall. They need 1 of these games and the home games to finish 8-8.  That is going to be a tough challenge.  But they could do it.  Neumann is 2-4.  They host IU and Marywood.  They are 3-3 on the road, But they travel to GMC and Cabrini where both teams are undefeated.  I believe that Neumann will probably miss out on the playoffs this year.

So here is how I see it to make the playoffs.

GMC*
Cabrini*
Keystone
Marywood
Centenary
Immaculata

*Byes
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chizwiz on February 08, 2009, 08:32:34 PM
Wolf,

I haven't done much talking with anyone about the trophy between Cab and EU.  Maybe someone else mentioned it.

EU is doing well this season.  We have several freshmen playing significant minutes, those being Colin Whipple, Tyrik Tucker, Martin Soaries, and Carlos Pujols.  All four have very different skills and are playing more mature than the average freshman.  Some great sophomores are Danny Miller and Don Kaiser.  And the seniority on the team is based around Jason Reels, Chris Myers, Ty Coleman, and Derek Wright.  EU has a fairly deep bench and will play some others intermittently.

I like the team and am looking forward to the matchups I see between Cabrini's top scorers (Misevicius sp? and G. Washington) and EU's defenders.  As always, it will be fun defensive game to watch and I think the pace will be exciting.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chizwiz on February 08, 2009, 08:42:38 PM
Quote from: chairman on February 07, 2009, 11:14:08 PM
C- Hizzle Dizzle

Reticent... usually used as to describe someone who is inclined to be silent or uncommunicative. On occasion it can be used to describe something that is understated and reserved. Let's use reluctant to believe or incredulous, but avoid words that connote silence or reservation-- they don't suit you :-)

When forced to do so, I prefer to consume the avian scavenger with Tabasco; others eat crow with relish. It's up to you.


Chair,

I don't think we need to get personal here and I'm not sure why you seem to be so offended.  And you can eat your own crow, I'll do what the average Crusader does and eat a Trojan Turkey.

Do you feel more intelligent when you correct people's vocabulary mistakes?  Maybe this will make you feel better - you are smarter than me.

Now let's get back to more important issues.  Anybody from Cabrini want to talk about the defenders on the Cavs?  What kind of defense do they like to use?  What kind of offense do they like?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 08, 2009, 09:08:31 PM
Eastern has done very well this year(currently 3rd).  It would have been interesting to see Eastern in the CSAC this year and how well they would have done.  Oh well. 
I believe tomorow's game is going to be a great game as chizwiz says EU's Defense vs the Cavs offensive players should be something to watch.  Usually defense wins game. 

Cabrini scores at a 77.7 pace a game and gives up 70.9 a game.  At the Nerney Fieldhouse, though, they score at 80.9 and defend at 70.6.  Eastern scores at 67.6 pace per game and defends at 64.6.  Away from home they are 67.6 vs 66.7.  But, EU is 5-1 on the road in their last 6.  So this is going to be a fun game to watch.  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chairman on February 08, 2009, 10:11:36 PM
Chiz-
If I made a mistake, I will admit to it. I was simply offering a tongue in cheek opportunity for you to say "oops I might have said something that was inaccurate - and possible a little mean-- about a college kid. I apologize to Glenn and anyone else whom I might have offended."
It's a good skill.
On another note, it's also never a bad thing to hold your tongue until you are sure you have your facts straight. Just because someone told you something doesn't always mean it is the right thing to post it.
On the subject of basketball, I am glad that GW will play for the Cavs on Monday night. I think the game presents a bunch of interesting match-ups and match-up problems for both teams. I have not seen Cabrini play this year, but based on their people and their score against GMC, they have some guys who can light it up. I  think Eastern has three or four guys who are capable of putting up 20, but if the game goes into the 80's I think that is probably a bad sign. It is a very interesting game in that there is really not too much to look at in terms of common opponents. EU beat Immaculata and PBu, but those were both early in the year and I think those following the Eagles would agree that they are a very different team now than they were in December.
One more note. Derek Wright is a sophomore. The Eagles play two juniors and a senior in their ten man rotation. Myers and Reels start and Ty Coleman plays a good chunk in some games and limited minutes in others. He is having a real nice senior year in the role he plays. Other than those two it is all freshmen and sophomores. Miller has been down with an ankle issue and has not played in nearly a month-- not sure whether he will return soon or not.
Would have no way to offer a prediction on the game, but I hope that both communities get up for the game.
Until the conclusion of the BoER...
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 09, 2009, 09:20:05 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 08, 2009, 09:08:31 PM
Eastern has done very well this year(currently 3rd).  It would have been interesting to see Eastern in the CSAC this year and how well they would have done.  Oh well. 
I believe tomorow's game is going to be a great game as chizwiz says EU's Defense vs the Cavs offensive players should be something to watch.  Usually defense wins game. 

Cabrini scores at a 77.7 pace a game and gives up 70.9 a game.  At the Nerney Fieldhouse, though, they score at 80.9 and defend at 70.6.  Eastern scores at 67.6 pace per game and defends at 64.6.  Away from home they are 67.6 vs 66.7.  But, EU is 5-1 on the road in their last 6.  So this is going to be a fun game to watch.  8)

Wow! going to be a good game but I am predicting an offensive explosion for the Cavs.   Defense wins games but it depends on how well a team can play defense as well.  If the Cavs stay out of foul trouble they will somehow win, but EU could shut them down long enough to win.  Should be fun.  Hope everyone packs the house.

Chiz will you be wearing an EU shirt? 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 09, 2009, 01:14:36 PM
chair: derek wright is a jr...and a very good hs coach in the SOL

Last comment about "glen-gate" I am glad it is resolved and he's getting the chance to play, however it's still a curious situation if it was an enrollment issue considering the last day to add/drop courses at cabrini was 1/21 and hes played in two games after that date.  Having said that the only thing that matters now is what happens on the court.

Big game for the MAC's tonight.  I have confidence that they will pull this one off on the road.  Let's just hope they shoot a high percentage like they did against BB.  Their downfall all season has been their inability to get points in the paint and get to the line. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on February 09, 2009, 10:20:42 PM
Well whats fair is fair. I will post when we lose too. My Cyclones lost in overtime to BB 84-81, it was a great game where both teams played hard, but we couldnt pull it off. Congrats to BB. Of course that will make it tough on the Cyclones to make the playoffs, but I HAVE FAITH GUYS YOUR PLAYING HARD!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chairman on February 09, 2009, 10:47:53 PM
Barn- burner tonight in front of SRO crowd at Cabrini. Great environment for the game. Double OT. And the Cavs win it. They have several kids who can fill it up. I'm not sure Eastern can build a new gym in time for next year's game.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 09, 2009, 11:03:54 PM
Tough loss for the MAC's....statment game from GMC?  If anyone witnessed that shalacking was it good D or bad O that cause NC to shoot 23% from the field?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 09, 2009, 11:26:46 PM
WOW..... What a game perhaps the best I have seen anywhere this year. Refering to the EU/Cavs game.   Wish one team did not have to lose.  Congratulations to both teams for a great evening.   

Kevin Miscevious is for real.  He took # 21 to school three times down low and #21 got mad and fouled him during the last 3 minutes of the game. Whew, Glenn W. at the buzzer to force overtime.   EU was strong as well coming right back until they made some bad turnovers or shall I say the Cavs forced some turnovers.  I thought EU had the Cavs but some of the calls both ways were ridiculous. 

Both teams deserve some credit and both teams worked hard.   Seemed like all in the stands had a real treat with cheerleaders and dance teams and mascots air boxing, what an atmosphere.  Great rivalry.  Like to see a full house and a battle once in awhile.

Hey Chiz, if you were the guy in the shorts wearing the stripes running the baseline I feel sorry for you.   I think you were the loud guy though and I may know who you are........  all good relax.

Again, both teams deserve some kudos for a great evening.

Unfortunately I am not rubbing salt in any wounds but  GO CAVS.  The trophy by the way was raised at center court by Charles Bush.... the street sign off the road.   Good idea coach N. to start a nice little tradition for motivation and significance for students, nice touch for building an already great rivalry.   PLEASE get that new gym built over at EU.... your program deserves more than the 1950's style facility.   

Cabrini please get a big guy for next year. It will get alot tougher.
 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 09, 2009, 11:32:51 PM
Quote from: tonymnm on February 09, 2009, 10:20:42 PM
Well whats fair is fair. I will post when we lose too. My Cyclones lost in overtime to BB 84-81, it was a great game where both teams played hard, but we couldnt pull it off. Congrats to BB. Of course that will make it tough on the Cyclones to make the playoffs, but I HAVE FAITH GUYS YOUR PLAYING HARD!!!!!


Tonymnm,

Don't count your team out by any means.   The top seeds can drop a game or two down the stretch, won't be a surprise if you guys get in you will see what I mean.   I have seen you guys play 4x but playing hard is only one facet.  You need a balanced attack for 40 minutes.  Not taking anything away from you but more playing time in the conference will take your team to the next level.  Not too far away and could steal a spot. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chairman on February 10, 2009, 01:48:44 AM
Couple thoughts on tonight's game.
1st- Cabrini has the ability to score that is very impressive. Miscevicius is a better scorer than Washington, and that is saying something because Glenn Washington is capable of putting up 40. Both those guys hit tough shots in the second half. It was hard to believe that the game was tied at half with those two combining for one first-half hoop.
2nd- I think this rivalry could be better as a single game. The trophy is a great touch. Word is, and I believe it, that Radnor did in fact donate the sign-- don't go looking for an unmarked intersection. That prize will gain value as time passes.
3rd- Hard to believe in a game that had that kind of promise, that there was a JV crew on the job. WolfPac said it, and I will just affirm it. OVERMATCHED. some bad calls both ways, but you cannot have three officials miss a double dribble in the closing minutes of an overtime game. Truly shocking.
4th- Both teams are young and will need to grow in some areas to make noise in the post-season. I've not seen the rest of the CSAC, but my guess is that if the Cavaliers can improve their interior defense a little, they could be in good shape for the Conference Tourney. I think a team with a pair of 6'6 scorers causes some big problems.
5th- Eastern has one day to recover before attempting to clinch a play-off spot on Wednesday. That will be a big challenge for the Eastern staff. It was easy to see how much the game tonight meant to both programs, but the odd thing is, it is really the least important game of the week for both. Hopefully neither team has a let down.
Congrats to Cabrini (yuck-- that tastes terrible) for winning round one. Let's hope there are many more great games as the two programs continue to build on their respective traditions.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: patriot1741 on February 10, 2009, 08:05:03 AM
tony,

what happened to your cyclones?  it looked they led most of the game and from the box score you can see that baker and kearney were scoring almost at will in the paint... you are right that both teams played with lots of energy and fight (in a good sense)... great game to watch, just seemed like Baptist Bible stole one, which has some really big playoff implications...
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on February 10, 2009, 10:20:06 AM
Patriot,

                  Actually at the beginning BB was up big and Centenary came back, but a few interesting things happened towards the end of the game, although these arent excuses for the loss. One, Kearney blocked a shot and it went in under the net and back in for two for BB, and with a couple of seconds on the shot clock during a possesion a BB player threw up a long three that bounced real high off the back of the rim and came straight down in for 3. Again no excuse, but that  happened. Now the Cyclones did miss some key free throws at the end of regulation that would have sealed it, but thats why they have to learn how to win the close ones I guess. They still have an outside chance, but it will be tough. However, Im real optimistic about the future. The new coach and staff have done a great job!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: patriot1741 on February 10, 2009, 11:08:35 AM
I saw the game, so i'm aware of these things and there were a couple of freak plays like that - it also seemed like bb just stopped guarding #15 to try to not let baker get the ball in the post at the end, yet #15 couldn't make them pay... and on the play where the guy got a lucky roll from 3, the refs missed him getting hammered by the defender, so maybe it all works out... i don't think the loss hurts CU as much as you might think though since imac went down as well, still on a level playing field between those two, just gotta win baby!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 10, 2009, 07:47:10 PM
I just needed to throw in my 2 cents from last night.  The trophy was a great idea.  A street sign, "EAGLE RD" you've got to love it as a fan of the schools.  It was a nice touch.  In 2009 Cabrini owns "Eagle Road".  I'm sure the importance of this trophy will only get bigger as the years go on.

The game itself was exciting, but the back and forth between the students was certainly entertaining, (except some of the inappopriate rantings of a few...dozen  ;) ).

I have to agree with my colleagues regarding the "JV" officiating crew.  It seemed they got paid by the foul they called.  But when it came to double dribbles(on both sides) and possessions they seemed to just not get it right.  It was as they were intimidated by the atmosphere.  If the game had gone the other way, I would have been really aggravated, as I'm sure some of the Eastern fans were.  To many ticky-tack fouls that were called and when you got hammered it didn't always seem that the correct call was made. 

Regarding the outcome of the Tourney.  If Cabrini is able to get to the finals,  they have a chance if it's at home.  There surely is something about having a home playoff game(plus they are at this point 10-1 at the Dixon Center).  On the road, especially if it's at Gwnedd,  I'm not so sure about.  With only one senior on this team they are relatively young.

There is still plenty of season left.  They have four games to go 2 home 2 away. If they win all 4. I still don't know if they will be the number one base on tiebreakers if GMC is tied with them.

About last nights game again.  It was a fun game.  It is a shame somebody had to lose but Cavs will take it. 

Congratulations to both schools for quite a show.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 10, 2009, 08:05:24 PM
Tonymnm,

About your Cyclones they still have a chance here are current records in conference:

1. Cabrini                 9    3   0.750 
2. Gwynedd-Mercy    9    3   0.750
3. Marywood            9    5   0.643
4. Keystone             7    5   0.583
5. Baptist Bible         7    7   0.500
6. Centenary            5    7   0.417
    Immaculata          5    7   0.417
    Neumann             5    8   0.385
    Philadelphia Bible   0   11   0.000

Granted they have a tough road ahead of them.  1 home 3 road.  The one home game you might get.  I see the GMC on the road as difficult.  I think you can exact some revenge on Marywood and you should beat PBU.  So at worst the Cyclones could finish at 7-9 or at best 8-8.  IU has Neumann(H), Keystone(A), GMC(A) and Cabrini(H).  I believe that IU has a much tougher final four games.  So you still have a chance!!  Keep the faith!!!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 10, 2009, 09:48:27 PM
Mailsy,

The Cavaliers with their recent wins will have a real shot at being in next regional rankings when they are published next week.  Please keep your eyes open.  I read about the possibility on the Press Release of hot teams.

Kinda brings back some old memories.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 10, 2009, 11:39:28 PM
the Macs have Neumann Away, Keystone Home, GMC Away, and Cabrini Home. Just making it clear.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chizwiz on February 11, 2009, 08:25:16 AM
What a great game on Monday night.  Unfortunately, my team lost.  I don't see it as a disappointment as the game was quite entertaining, the players on both sides seemed to play with class, and the EU squad played a great game.

Much credit goes to Cabrini.  Misevicius was very fun to watch (he reminds me of a D3 Dirk Nowitzki), and I was very impressed with how fast and athletic GWash is, especially his release.  I talked with a kid who said his roommate was #44, and started watching that kid play - what a hustler and great post up moves.

EU played well.  It's interesting that we didn't shoot any 3's in the second half.  Maybe that was a level of patience that shows maturity on the part of our players since the shots weren't there, and it also shows how well Cabrini was defending it.  I think we shot the line well, at 76%, until OT.  It's hard to point out where the loss came from, so I'm not going to.  I think this happens sometimes and you just got to get up for the next game and thank God that it's not a conference loss.

It's a shame that the officials were so bad both ways.  I'm not saying they changed the game result, but they definitely affected it negatively.  As I'm seeing this a lot this year, I think it shows what we have been hearing - officiating needs more officials.

By the way, it's sad that Cabrini fans don't show up for games like they used to.  There were definitely more EU fans (especially student fans) at the game than Cavs.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chizwiz on February 11, 2009, 08:31:05 AM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 09, 2009, 11:26:46 PM
WOW..... What a game perhaps the best I have seen anywhere this year. Refering to the EU/Cavs game.   Wish one team did not have to lose.  Congratulations to both teams for a great evening.   

Kevin Miscevious is for real.  He took # 21 to school three times down low and #21 got mad and fouled him during the last 3 minutes of the game. Whew, Glenn W. at the buzzer to force overtime.   EU was strong as well coming right back until they made some bad turnovers or shall I say the Cavs forced some turnovers.  I thought EU had the Cavs but some of the calls both ways were ridiculous. 

Both teams deserve some credit and both teams worked hard.   Seemed like all in the stands had a real treat with cheerleaders and dance teams and mascots air boxing, what an atmosphere.  Great rivalry.  Like to see a full house and a battle once in awhile.

Hey Chiz, if you were the guy in the shorts wearing the stripes running the baseline I feel sorry for you.   I think you were the loud guy though and I may know who you are........  all good relax.

Again, both teams deserve some kudos for a great evening.

Unfortunately I am not rubbing salt in any wounds but  GO CAVS.  The trophy by the way was raised at center court by Charles Bush.... the street sign off the road.   Good idea coach N. to start a nice little tradition for motivation and significance for students, nice touch for building an already great rivalry.   PLEASE get that new gym built over at EU.... your program deserves more than the 1950's style facility.   

Cabrini please get a big guy for next year. It will get alot tougher.
 

Wolf, that's hilarious.  I really enjoyed laughing at that guy in the, uhh, well, can you call those shorts or Daisy Dukes? with the officials shirt.  I wasn't that guy, but I am definitely one of the louder fans at any game I go to.  I did see you, though.  You were wearing a blue shirt and had a mustache and sitting near McTamney's son, right?  Anyway, if you want to know who I am, just message me.

I used to hate our gym at EU.  Now, I like it because it is probably one of the least favorite away game for our opponents.  Not to say our players and campus shouldn't get another facility.  Unfortunately I don't think the donors could spring for it right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 11, 2009, 09:20:10 AM
Chiz, not complaining about your court, just the seating is limited and parking is a pain in the butt if you do not have gate access.  I do think a small gym is kind of cozy and has advantages to the competition.  Just that the crowd is limited and a school of EU's size and campuses deserves a larger facility and more fan friendly atmosphere to pack more in ...... in no way am I criticizing your school just seems if EU can afford it they should do since the bb program is growing.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chizwiz on February 11, 2009, 10:40:42 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 11, 2009, 09:20:10 AM
Chiz, not complaining about your court, just the seating is limited and parking is a pain in the butt if you do not have gate access.  I do think a small gym is kind of cozy and has advantages to the competition.  Just that the crowd is limited and a school of EU's size and campuses deserves a larger facility and more fan friendly atmosphere to pack more in ...... in no way am I criticizing your school just seems if EU can afford it they should do since the bb program is growing.

Thanks, I didn't think you were criticizing EU.  Although I see this venue as a place to do that in good humor.  And I agree with you - EU should build a better gym.  As I said earlier, probably a donor problem.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 12, 2009, 10:04:18 AM
If Neumann loses tonight would it make it a 2 way race for 6th? is there anyway IU or Cent can get the 5th??
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 12, 2009, 02:09:40 PM
Mailsy, waiting for a matrix from you, could you please answer Hidehumms last question as well.    Neuman plays at the Dixon Center Saturday and Cavs play the last game of the year at IU so the Cavs could have a big influence on the playoff scene for those guys.   

don't forget the Cavs are at Centenary tonight as well  .......
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 12, 2009, 02:45:28 PM
i know that it is numerically possible but I wanted opinions... The matrix would be great though.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: zonescantstopme on February 12, 2009, 08:51:13 PM
big win for the cyclones!!!  over cabrini
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 12, 2009, 08:54:15 PM
The matrix maker no longer resides in the CSAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on February 12, 2009, 09:31:30 PM
Congrats to the Cyclones!!!!! They are back in it, and to Coach M and the boys keep it going your doing MUCH BETTER than anyone thought you would!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 13, 2009, 03:20:03 AM
Here is a current look at the standings.

1 Gwynedd-Mercy   10    3   0.769
2 Cabrini                 9    4   0.692
3 Marywood            9    5   0.643
4 Keystone             8    5    0.615
5 Baptist Bible         7    7   0.500
6 Centenary            6   7   0.462
   Neumann             6    8   0.429
   Immaculata          5    8   0.385
   Philadelphia Bible   0   13   0.000


Games on 2/14/09:  Centenary @ GMC  --  GMC should win this.  Records:  GMC 11-3, Cent 6-8
                                 Neumann @ Cabrini --  Cavs should win this. Cabrini 10-4  NC 6-9
                                 Immaculata @ Keystone -- KC should win this. KC 9-5 IU 5-9
                                 BBC @ PBU -- BBC should win this. BBC 8-7 PBU 0-14. 
So there should be no change in the 6 - 8 spot and BBC will clinch a playoff spot based on above games

Games on 2/16/09: PBU @ Cabrini.  Cabrini 11-4 PBU 0-15.  GMC @ IU.  Will probably be GMC 12-3, IU 5-10.  Centenary @ Marywood.  Centenary needs this game.  If they(Cent) win IU is eliminated.

Games 2/17/09: Keystone @ BBC.  KC needs this game to clinch no less than 4th spot BBC 8-8 and the 5th seed.

Games 2/19/09:
GMC @ Keystone.  Maybe KC pulls this out. KC 11-5 (3rd Seed) GMC 12-4 (#1, I think, but I'm not sure of all tiebreakers)
Immaculata @ Cabrini -- Cavs 12-4(2 seed) IU 5-11
Marywood @ Neumann.  NC in this one NC 7-9, Marywood 10-6 (4th seed)
Centenary @ Philadelphia Bible--Cent wins 8-8(6th Seed), PBU 0-16.

So I see the season ending like this:

1 Gwynedd-Mercy   12    4   0.750
2 Cabrini                12    4   0.750
3 Keystone            11    5    0.688
4 Marywood           10    6   0.625
5 Baptist Bible         8    8   0.500
6 Centenary            8    8   0.500
   Neumann             7    9    0.438
   Immaculata          5    11   0.313
   Philadelphia Bible   0   13   0.000



Just one persons opinion on the end of the season.  :)



Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on February 13, 2009, 07:28:36 AM
I like the ending mailsy, but who gets the last spot if Centenary and Neumann tie?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachM33 on February 13, 2009, 08:57:55 AM
I want to know some opinions here....

Who do you think is playing their best basketball right now?  Can they continue the last 2 weeks of the season?  Will they sustain it long enough come conference tourney time? 

GMC, Cabrini, and Keystone 7-3 in their last 10.

Centenary and Marywood 6-4.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 13, 2009, 09:39:15 AM
Quote from: CoachM33 on February 13, 2009, 08:57:55 AM
I want to know some opinions here....

Who do you think is playing their best basketball right now?  Can they continue the last 2 weeks of the season?  Will they sustain it long enough come conference tourney time? 

GMC, Cabrini, and Keystone 7-3 in their last 10.

Centenary and Marywood 6-4.


Unbiased opinion....... I think the Cavs fold a little, Gmc holds #1,  Keystone surprises everyone but me and is in the final with Marywood taking out Cent.  Unless the Cavs prove me wrong, they may be out of gas for the playoffs.  IU may take the Cavs at IU and Keystone looks better even more.  IU could fool GMC then that last game vs Cabrini is huge.

Centenary if they can beat Gmc which will not be impossible but since it is at GMC they will lose....will have to win at Marywood so it will be difficult as long as they win one then PHilly Bible.    I think they will be in it.

IU will have a pretty tall order ahead of them and lose to Keystone and Centenary pulls ahead of them.  IU will probably be out of the mix unless Keystone tanks.

Neuman what can I say about them except....... choke choke choke but they could surprise the Cavs tomorrow and get some needed motivation so they are in it if Cent does not come up big. 

I predict only my opinion that it is a GMC/ Keystone final. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 13, 2009, 09:48:30 AM
If anyone gets a chance, check out the article on "Around the Nation" on the D3 board by Gordanmann.  Nice one Gordan.

Oxley talks about all the changes in the last 4 years and how he made the decisions he made to play.  Check it out kind gives you a taste of all the changes the Cavs had to go through.

Give credit for where they are.  Back to work.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chairman on February 13, 2009, 12:36:08 PM
Both EU and Cab get bit by the hangover from Monday night. Not to take credit from Centenary or DelVal, but Eastern didn't come close to matching the intensity they played with on Monday. I can't imagine that Cabrini came close either.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 13, 2009, 12:39:17 PM
It's tough when geographical rivals are in different conferences.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 13, 2009, 08:22:15 PM
Quote from: tonymnm on February 13, 2009, 07:28:36 AM
I like the ending mailsy, but who gets the last spot if Centenary and Neumann tie?

I don't know.  I have to spend time to do that and I don't have it.  But you can give it a shot.  Here are the guidelines from the CSAC website (maybe one of the SID from one of the schools could figure it out):  ;D

B. In the event of ties for any position, the following procedures will be used in order to break a tie:
1. Head to head competition, among the tied teams.
2. Record against higher seeded teams evaluated individually starting with the highest seed.
a. If a three-way tie exists between teams; the best record versus each of the tied teams will determine the higher seed.
3. Result against a non-conference opponent—common opponent—common site.
4. Result against a non-conference opponent—common opponent.
5. If any ties for the one through five seeds exist and all the above criteria does not determine seeding, point differential, with a cap of 20 points between the tied teams, will determine the seed in question.
6. In the event that seeding of the one through five seeds cannot be determined by the above tiebreaking criteria, a coin flip shall occur.
D. If a tie still exists for the sixth seed after all the tie-breaking criteria above is exhausted, a playoff game must be held. The home team will be decided by a coin flip.
E. If a tie occurs with three or more teams, the tie breaking criteria listed above will be used to determine the highest seeded position first. After the highest seeded position is determined, the tie breaking criteria begins all over again for the next highest seeded position. This procedure continues until all positions are complete.


Quote from: Wolfpac on February 13, 2009, 09:48:30 AM
If anyone gets a chance, check out the article on "Around the Nation" on the D3 board by Gordanmann.  Nice one Gordan.

Oxley talks about all the changes in the last 4 years and how he made the decisions he made to play.  Check it out kind gives you a taste of all the changes the Cavs had to go through.

Give credit for where they are.  Back to work.

That was a really great article.  It gives a lot of insight in this young man.  Big time credit goes out from this Alum for his courage and tenacity.  Great job Ox.

Quote from: Wolfpac on February 13, 2009, 09:39:15 AM
Unbiased opinion....... I think the Cavs fold a little, Gmc holds #1,  Keystone surprises everyone but me and is in the final with Marywood taking out Cent.  Unless the Cavs prove me wrong, they may be out of gas for the playoffs.  IU may take the Cavs at IU and Keystone looks better even more.  IU could fool GMC then that last game vs Cabrini is huge.

Centenary if they can beat Gmc which will not be impossible but since it is at GMC they will lose....will have to win at Marywood so it will be difficult as long as they win one then PHilly Bible.    I think they will be in it.

IU will have a pretty tall order ahead of them and lose to Keystone and Centenary pulls ahead of them.  IU will probably be out of the mix unless Keystone tanks.

Neuman what can I say about them except....... choke choke choke but they could surprise the Cavs tomorrow and get some needed motivation so they are in it if Cent does not come up big. 

I predict only my opinion that it is a GMC/ Keystone final. 

Wolfie, 

I think it is a little premature to see who is going to be in the final at this point.  One game at Centenary does not make a season.  (Did you think Cabrini was going to beat GMC?  No...but they did).  :o

I won't be making any predictions about the outcome of the playoffs, until I see where the teams actually end up.  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 14, 2009, 11:27:31 PM
Today goes as I suspected.

Here are the current standings as of February 14, 2009:

1 Gwynedd-Mercy   11   3   0.786 *
2 Cabrini                10   4   0.714 *
3 Marywood            9    5   0.643 *
4 Keystone             9    5   0.643 *
5 Baptist Bible         8    7   0.533 *
6 Centenary            6    8   0.429
   Neumann             6    9   0.400
   Immaculata          5    9   0.357
   Philadelphia Bible   0   14   0.000

* Clinched playoff spot

Happy VD everyone!!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 16, 2009, 11:42:27 AM
Regular season is winding down.  Playoffs start Saturday. 

Cabrini hosts Philly Bible tonight.  Cavs should win unless there is a total meltdown. 
Centenary is on the road at Marywood.  If Centenary wins tonight they most likely will clinch the final spot.  (I don't see them imploding against PBU on Thurs. But anything is possible) :D
Immaculata plays at GMC.  This game will end IU's chances at the playoffs(they are probably going to lose)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 16, 2009, 01:33:10 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 16, 2009, 11:42:27 AM
Regular season is winding down.  Playoffs start Saturday. 

Cabrini hosts Philly Bible tonight.  Cavs should win unless there is a total meltdown. 
Centenary is on the road at Marywood.  If Centenary wins tonight they most likely will clinch the final spot.  (I don't see them imploding against PBU on Thurs. But anything is possible) :D
Immaculata plays at GMC.  This game will end IU's chances at the playoffs(they are probably going to lose)


Food for thought. The Macs are the only team to hold GMC in the 50's all season and the MACS need to win to stay alive GMC is in and have been known to take games off down the stretch. Macs are 2-0 in the last 2 trips to the Griffin Complex both heart breakers.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 16, 2009, 02:15:47 PM
Quote from: hIdeUmm on February 16, 2009, 01:33:10 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 16, 2009, 11:42:27 AM
Regular season is winding down.  Playoffs start Saturday. 

Cabrini hosts Philly Bible tonight.  Cavs should win unless there is a total meltdown. 
Centenary is on the road at Marywood.  If Centenary wins tonight they most likely will clinch the final spot.  (I don't see them imploding against PBU on Thurs. But anything is possible) :D
Immaculata plays at GMC.  This game will end IU's chances at the playoffs(they are probably going to lose)


Food for thought. The Macs are the only team to hold GMC in the 50's all season and the MACS need to win to stay alive GMC is in and have been known to take games off down the stretch. Macs are 2-0 in the last 2 trips to the Griffin Complex both heart breakers.


HideHumm,

I read you loud and clear, I would hope the Macs win ! !   Never say never, Gmc can fold up the tent.    I hope you guys manage to win then the last game at IU becomes more meaningful to the Cavs and IU go Cavs and Macs.

Mailsy see  ya at the Dixon center.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 16, 2009, 03:41:51 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 16, 2009, 02:15:47 PM
Quote from: hIdeUmm on February 16, 2009, 01:33:10 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 16, 2009, 11:42:27 AM
Regular season is winding down.  Playoffs start Saturday. 

Cabrini hosts Philly Bible tonight.  Cavs should win unless there is a total meltdown. 
Centenary is on the road at Marywood.  If Centenary wins tonight they most likely will clinch the final spot.  (I don't see them imploding against PBU on Thurs. But anything is possible) :D
Immaculata plays at GMC.  This game will end IU's chances at the playoffs(they are probably going to lose)


Food for thought. The Macs are the only team to hold GMC in the 50's all season and the MACS need to win to stay alive GMC is in and have been known to take games off down the stretch. Macs are 2-0 in the last 2 trips to the Griffin Complex both heart breakers.


HideHumm,

I read you loud and clear, I would hope the Macs win ! !   Never say never, Gmc can fold up the tent.    I hope you guys manage to win then the last game at IU becomes more meaningful to the Cavs and IU go Cavs and Macs.

Mailsy see  ya at the Dixon center.

My heart tells me I want The Macs to win.  You are correct about Macs beating GMC the last 2 years at The Griffin Complex.  Here is some other food for thought.  2006-07 GMC record 14-13 (12-6) 2007-08 GMC record 21-10 (10-6). 2006-07 IU record 12-16 (10-8) 2007-08 IU record 18-10 (11-5).

Let's look at this year GMC 18-5 (11-3) IU 7-16 (5-9). Yes all well and true that anything can happen.  However, GMC record at home 9-0 (7-0).  They have an almost 17 point differential at home.  IU on the other hand, on the road, is 2-10 (1-6) their point differential is a negative 4.

However, my head tells me IU pretty much has no chance.  But I hope I am wrong because it benefits Cabrini.

Wolfie, I'll be at the game.

Is your wife coming? Bring her!!!


Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 16, 2009, 06:01:47 PM
nice fluff stats but the past two season mean nothing bc both these teams are completely different from 06-07 to now, on the other side this yr's stats tell you everything you need to know....needless to say it will take something extraordinary for the MAC's to pull it off tonight...im thinking double digit 3's and 60% or above from the field, but who knows?  thats why they play the game...
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: zonescantstopme on February 16, 2009, 10:05:43 PM
Big Win For My CYCLONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  PAYBACK vs marywood!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 16, 2009, 10:08:41 PM
GMC locks up a first round bye with the win tonight over the Macs.  10 point game throughout.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on February 16, 2009, 10:22:18 PM
CONGRATS TO MY CYCLONES!!!! They came back from 14 down to beat Marywood 87-84. I think with that win and IMACS loss we clinch the last spot!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 16, 2009, 10:31:20 PM
Quote from: tonymnm on February 16, 2009, 10:22:18 PM
CONGRATS TO MY CYCLONES!!!! They came back from 14 down to beat Marywood 87-84. I think with that win and IMACS loss we clinch the last spot!!!!!

Unofficially, you have.  I don't see your cyclones losing to PBU.  :D

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on February 17, 2009, 07:32:04 AM
Mailsy,

                   I was following the breakdown you gave us from the CSAC. After head to head its competition versus the top seeds and Neumann lost both games to GMC and Cabrini, but Centenary beat Cabrini once, so assuming Cabrini is a two seed that should give it to the Cyclones. If there is a chance of them slipping to three than it might change things.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 17, 2009, 09:47:06 AM
How is it unofficially mailsy? Even if the Cyclones lose nd Neumann wins they tie and Centenary has a win vs cabrini and Keystone.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 17, 2009, 09:55:46 AM
Quote from: tonymnm on February 17, 2009, 07:32:04 AM
Mailsy,

                   I was following the breakdown you gave us from the CSAC. After head to head its competition versus the top seeds and Neumann lost both games to GMC and Cabrini, but Centenary beat Cabrini once, so assuming Cabrini is a two seed that should give it to the Cyclones. If there is a chance of them slipping to three than it might change things.

I was typing something else and I see hIdeImm snuck in before my post.  I forgot NC has two losses to KC and CC split.  So it probably is official.  But win out anyway you should beat Philly Bible.  They've had the "B" beaten out of them this year. Cyclones should be able to push PBU's streak into next season and you want to go into the playoffs on a high note. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 17, 2009, 11:13:57 AM
I would say it's unofficial until there is star by your name on the conference website, but I don't stars by any names.

No offense to Mailsy, I'd still wait to hear from the CSAC office before I printed my playoff tix.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 18, 2009, 10:26:18 AM
After games played thru 2/17/09 and with one conference game remaining, for most teams, the final order has not been set.

1 Gwynedd-Mercy   12   3   0.800 *
2 Cabrini                11   4   0.733 *
3 Keystone             10   5   0.667 *
4 Marywood            9    6   0.600 *
5 Baptist Bible         8    8   0.500 *
6 Centenary            7    8   0.467 *
   Neumann             6    9   0.400
   Immaculata          5    10   0.333
   Philadelphia Bible   0   15   0.000

* Clinched playoff spot

I still believe Cabrini can get the number one seed(that will be tough) But looking at tiebreakers I don't think they can move down(even with loss), and to get the number one, GMC would have to lose, of course Cabrini has to win.   But still I don't even know if that's enough based on tiebreakers and positioning of teams.  It is all so confusing.  ???

Oh yeah and only one more to go!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 18, 2009, 11:13:54 PM
Congratulations to Cabrini for being 8th in the MA regional rankings this week!!!  What a long time to wait to get back there.   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 19, 2009, 01:44:51 PM
Bitter sweet night tonight for the senior MAC's.  They were the first class of men at IU and they were a part of some special moments.  My hat is off to them because although this year did not turn out the way they would have liked, they accomplished some great things over their four years and will be remembered for so much more then their wins and losses.  It takes guts to build a program from scratch and endure all the bumps along the way.  They accomplished more than many expected over their four year run and for that they should hold their heads high tonight.  They have laid a foundation, set standard for IU men's athletics and have done so with class for that we are grateful and proud.  Congrats to the class of 09: Finklea, Fordham, Lopez, Slavick, Alderson, Forde.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 19, 2009, 02:36:18 PM
Could not have said it better myself. Congratulations gentlemen.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chizwiz on February 19, 2009, 03:29:17 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 18, 2009, 11:13:54 PM
Congratulations to Cabrini for being 8th in the MA regional rankings this week!!!  What a long time to wait to get back there.   :D

Congrats to Cabrini for that regional ranking.  It's good to see a good group of guys get there.

By the way, what happened to Immaculata this year?  Chadwin is a great coach.  Did he graduate a bunch, have some injuries, or did they just underperform?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 19, 2009, 04:01:10 PM
IU lost 5 of their top 6 scorers from last season....this years team lacked size effectiveness in the paint, but i want to stress again that this years results will not shape how this graduating class is remembered...they have some good young players that should develop over the next couple years... Chadwin is a very good coach and has a great staff to compliment...2 league championship game appearances, 1 league championship, 1 NCAA tournament birth...not too shabby for his first full recruiting cycle
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chizwiz on February 19, 2009, 07:41:47 PM
IUuKno, I definitely agree with you about Chadwin's record.  I'm hoping to see more success from him in the future.

By the way, when is Marywood going to fire that bum they call a coach?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 19, 2009, 08:18:11 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 19, 2009, 07:41:47 PM
By the way, when is Marywood going to fire that bum they call a coach?

While it's not up to me to defend coach Grundman, your reference to him as a bum is uncalled for.

Besides that, he's probably up for a big promotion after perhaps the best finish in school history.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 19, 2009, 10:33:45 PM
Does anyone know what happened in the Neumann/Marywood and Centenary/Philly Bible games?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 19, 2009, 11:01:10 PM
Congratulations to all the teams that have made the playoffs.  Good luck.  To the teams who didn't qualify good luck in the offseason, hopefully you will have good recruiting years and be back better next year.  :)

Congrats to the graduating class of IU.  They had a tremendous 4 years.  From nowhere to a PAC champions.  Tough year this season, though.  :(

Here are the final standings:

1 Gwynedd-Mercy   13   3   0.813 * bye
2 Cabrini                   12   4   0.750 * bye
3 Keystone               10   6   0.625 *
4 Marywood               9    7   0.563 *
5 Baptist Bible           8    8   0.500 *
6 Centenary              8    8   0.467 *
   
   Neumann              7    9   0.438
   Immaculata           5    11   0.313
   Philadelphia Bible    0   16   0.000

* Clinched playoff spot

2/21/09 Centenary @ Keystone
            Baptist Bible @ Marywood

Good luck to those playing Saturday!

Hey zone where are you???  Time to eat crow.  Centenary finishes 6th not fourth as you predicted.   ;D

BTW good job Cent for making playoffs after a dimal 07-08 season.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chizwiz on February 20, 2009, 01:04:02 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 19, 2009, 08:18:11 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 19, 2009, 07:41:47 PM
By the way, when is Marywood going to fire that bum they call a coach?

While it's not up to me to defend coach Grundman, your reference to him as a bum is uncalled for.

Besides that, he's probably up for a big promotion after perhaps the best finish in school history.

I'm going to take that last statement as sarcasm, regarding the promotion.  And I'm sure you would understand the "bum" statement if you were a long-time EU fan.  Or, ask some of the coaches in the conference.  They might beat around the bush on that one, but probably won't deny it.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: zonescantstopme on February 20, 2009, 02:51:54 AM
hey i had alot of faith in my cyclones!!!!  and with the years we had in the past i ll take a 6th place finish and playoff berth. congrats centenary. also a fourth place finish was not out of the question.  a few games stick out in my mind that they had in the bag early.  up double digits against marywood early this season and lost on a blacknall 3.  up late on keystone only to blow it in the end.  and the lost to baptist bible late in the year are all games the clones had in the bag and didnt close out.  I KNOW THIS is a BIG IF but IF they go our way we are looking at 11-5 and.............. a 3rd place finish but i cant wait for the playoffs to begin
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on February 20, 2009, 07:39:49 AM
Hey congrats to Centenary!!!! Im a big fan and I am REAL HAPPY with a playoff spot this year after last years ugly season, and the big thing was they were real competitive in most games, so we have to give credit to the new staff for that!!!! Hopefully, we can pull one off in the playoffs, but it looks like the Cyclones have a bright future with Coach M and his staff!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 20, 2009, 10:10:49 AM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 20, 2009, 01:04:02 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 19, 2009, 08:18:11 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 19, 2009, 07:41:47 PM
By the way, when is Marywood going to fire that bum they call a coach?

While it's not up to me to defend coach Grundman, your reference to him as a bum is uncalled for.

Besides that, he's probably up for a big promotion after perhaps the best finish in school history.

I'm going to take that last statement as sarcasm, regarding the promotion.  And I'm sure you would understand the "bum" statement if you were a long-time EU fan.  Or, ask some of the coaches in the conference.  They might beat around the bush on that one, but probably won't deny it.

Even if he is a bum, I think it's inappropriate for you to refer to him as such.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopzwiz on February 20, 2009, 02:17:22 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 19, 2009, 07:41:47 PM
IUuKno, I definitely agree with you about Chadwin's record.  I'm hoping to see more success from him in the future.

By the way, when is Marywood going to fire that bum they call a coach?


Isn't America great?????

Cheezewiz, a former scorekeeper who failed at his only attempt to be a 'Head Basketball Coach' and returned home with his tail between his legs can go around verbally abusing 'real' head coaches.

I don't know Marywoods coach personally and I don't know what happened years ago.  I do know that you act like a child on this message board and make Eastern look bad in the process.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mid-range j on February 20, 2009, 02:46:13 PM
Looks like Centenary is having a terrific year..ecspecially after the herendous seasons they have compiled the last couple of years in the Skyline.. i havent seen them play in two years, but what is the big change? is it the coaching staff? i know they has a small dude coaching there that tried real hard but didnt real seem to know to much about basketball..zonescanstopme can you help me out with this one?  anyways congrats on the rebuilding thats a good thing too..i also heard cent has a new gym? hows that?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 20, 2009, 07:29:05 PM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on February 20, 2009, 02:17:22 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 19, 2009, 07:41:47 PM
IUuKno, I definitely agree with you about Chadwin's record.  I'm hoping to see more success from him in the future.

By the way, when is Marywood going to fire that bum they call a coach?


Isn't America great?????

Cheezewiz, a former scorekeeper who failed at his only attempt to be a 'Head Basketball Coach' and returned home with his tail between his legs can go around verbally abusing 'real' head coaches.

I don't know Marywoods coach personally and I don't know what happened years ago.  I do know that you act like a child on this message board and make Eastern look bad in the process.

He is not a bad guy... he actually did a good job over the years considering what he had to work with if you know anything about the past in the days before the CSAC... he may come off as abrasive if you do not know him but he does his job like him or not. The man is passionate and intense in his own manner so chill out.  I am not saying a change would be a positive or negative ....that is up to the administration of the institution. Give the guy a break before you trash him though. He held a developing program together turned it on the upswing.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 20, 2009, 07:38:52 PM
Marcus Kahn COY in the CSAC.............does that say it all for Cabrini or what?  Can he get his team to win the conference as well?

Are the Cavs deep enough? If you think about it they have plenty of firepower outside the arc, and Kevin M. can hit in or out of the paint in the clutch.  The Cavs may not be as suspect as one may have previously thought.  They only have to win two games.  They showed they can beat anybody without a big man, and now the coach is for real. Give em some credit despite a weak conference with new faces.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chizwiz on February 20, 2009, 10:58:21 PM
Quote from: hoopzwiz on February 20, 2009, 02:17:22 PM
Quote from: chizwiz on February 19, 2009, 07:41:47 PM
IUuKno, I definitely agree with you about Chadwin's record.  I'm hoping to see more success from him in the future.

By the way, when is Marywood going to fire that bum they call a coach?


Isn't America great?????

Cheezewiz, a former scorekeeper who failed at his only attempt to be a 'Head Basketball Coach' and returned home with his tail between his legs can go around verbally abusing 'real' head coaches.

I don't know Marywoods coach personally and I don't know what happened years ago.  I do know that you act like a child on this message board and make Eastern look bad in the process.

Hoopz, when did I ever try to be a head basketball coach?  You need to get your facts straight.  The people that both you and I know - ask them, they would laugh about that.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 20, 2009, 11:29:25 PM
Congratulations to Marcus Kahn.  That really is a tremendous accomplishment, considering he nor anybody else knew what they had going into the season.  Also Congratulations to Glenn Washington, 2nd team, and Kevin Misevicius 1st team CSAC  honors.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 20, 2009, 11:39:47 PM
Playoffs start on Saturday at 3:00pm.  Baptist Bible takes on Marywood.  Marywood is 2-0 against BBC this season.  I'm just not sure that BBC will win this game.  It wouldn't surprise me if they did.  But I see Marywood winning this game and facing GMC for a chance to beat them in their 3rd try.  Centenary at Keystone.  Keystone should win this game and they will face Cabrini. 

Good luck to all teams playing tomorrow!!!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: patriot1741 on February 21, 2009, 12:08:30 PM
yep, should be a lot of fun for the csac today... what are everyone's thoughts on the all-conference teams?  how about baptist bible getting 4 guys on honorable mention...?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 21, 2009, 07:30:53 PM
Congrats to Keystone and Baptist Bible for advancing.  BBC puts a thumpin on Marywood.  Wow!  Next up Gwynedd.  Keystone beats Centenary.  Next up Cabrini.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: patriot1741 on February 21, 2009, 08:01:09 PM
mailsy,

did you see either game?? or did anybody else see the games for that matter? what happened to the pacers?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 21, 2009, 08:36:43 PM
Be careful GMC, the conference is not the same.   Strange things can happen this year.  Most likely the prize will have to be cutting down the nets at the Griffin Complex for someone whether it is the Griffins or not remains to be seen.  Kind of sick of hearing about the Griffins even though they are a talented team with D1 caliper players and transfers. 

Baron does an extraordinary job but the moon is full so watchout for the curse of the Wolfpac. (all good relax)           
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 21, 2009, 09:01:30 PM
Quote from: patriot1741 on February 21, 2009, 08:01:09 PM
mailsy,

did you see either game?? or did anybody else see the games for that matter? what happened to the pacers?

I did not see the game, but from the recaps Marywood only had the lead 1 time at minute and half into the game.  BBC had a lead as large as 24 and Marywood only got as close as 12 points in the second half.  Looks like having an extended losing streak is never really a good thing going into the playoffs.  :(
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 22, 2009, 05:39:17 PM
Quote from: patriot1741 on February 21, 2009, 12:08:30 PM
yep, should be a lot of fun for the csac today... what are everyone's thoughts on the all-conference teams?  how about baptist bible getting 4 guys on honorable mention...?

That was interesting...I thought gmc would get 1 or 2 others as honorable mention, but first and second team were right on.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 22, 2009, 07:30:53 PM
Quote from: IUuKno on February 22, 2009, 05:39:17 PM
Quote from: patriot1741 on February 21, 2009, 12:08:30 PM
yep, should be a lot of fun for the csac today... what are everyone's thoughts on the all-conference teams?  how about baptist bible getting 4 guys on honorable mention...?

That was interesting...I thought gmc would get 1 or 2 others as honorable mention, but first and second team were right on.



GMC is now ranked 2nd in  the Mid Atlantic Region so what does it matter. They held up down the stretch but BB could give them a run.  I think GMC runs the table with all their talent unless someone becomes the giant slayer.

Agree with the selections as you say patriot but nothing surprises me anymore after what I have seen with strange selections.  All kinds of variables and politics involved.  Just sit back and watch the fun begin.  I think it is cool how the teams left are at the north and south poles geographically.  Kind of like the SouthEast part of PA is taking on the boys from the Poconos. 

Will the home teams take advantage or the road teams?  Hey Mailsy do you see GMC/Cabrini meeting up.  Can you get out your crystal ball yet and tell me what you see ? ?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 23, 2009, 12:53:56 AM
Wolf,

I'm just looking at statistics and a feel.  Statistically Keystone is 7-6 on the road this season (3-5 in the CSAC).  Now looking at their losses on the road out of conference they are 4-1.  Now when you look at the teams they beat, only one team(Del Val) was over .500 and one team was at .500(Centenary).  All but one of the rest of teams they beat were 10 games or more below .500.   Cabrini on the other hand is 12-1, 8-0 in conference, as the home team.  Teams they've beaten, Scranton(1st in the Landmark), Merchant Marine(3rd in Landmark) and Eastern(3rd in MAC).  So looking at the "crystal ball" Cabrini should win this one.  But, that's why they play the games.

Also as of last weeks rankings GMC is actually 7th in region.  Cabrini 8th.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 24, 2009, 09:32:53 AM
What an exciting year.  The season is winding down to the last week for some teams, into next week for others.  I'm looking forward to the home game tonight with Keystone coming into the Dixon Center.  No matter what happens tonight, it has been a great year.  Cabrini has provided all fans of the college an entertaining year.  I'm looking forward to a packed out gym tonight.   :)

GO CAVS BEAT KEYSTONE!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 24, 2009, 08:48:57 PM
What a finish at the Dixon. Good Set up for Friday night. Dom Ferrello let off the hook for a stupid technical at a crucial part of the game. Congrats to the Cavs and the Griffins. but thank you to Keystone and Baptist Bible for making an impact on the CSAC in your 1st season.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 25, 2009, 09:31:06 AM
Quote from: hIdeUmm on February 24, 2009, 08:48:57 PM
What a finish at the Dixon. Good Set up for Friday night. Dom Ferrello let off the hook for a stupid technical at a crucial part of the game. Congrats to the Cavs and the Griffins. but thank you to Keystone and Baptist Bible for making an impact on the CSAC in your 1st season.

Well said Hide....... what do think happens next Hide ? ?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: dwarf on February 25, 2009, 10:44:21 AM
anybody know why G Washington did not play last night?  will he play in the final?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 25, 2009, 11:52:47 AM
Good question...Cabrini doesnt stand a chance without him they lost by 35 when they played GMC without him before.  It won't be that bad this time around but if washington doesnt play I see GMC winning by 15 or more....then again like the NFL season taught us never count out the team with the "no one believes in us but us" factor....neverthless my prediction w/o GW:  GMC wins 83-67  w/ GW GMC wins 90-86...congrats to both teams for making it this far
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 25, 2009, 12:09:25 PM
I will agree with hIdeUmm that last nights game was pretty exciting. 

Some things about last night, many people including myself thought the refereeing was spotty at best. If you look at it as a whole you could say that.  It seemed like one official was the root cause.  It was interesting watching security hustle them out very quickly at the end of the game. 

It was a stupid technical on Dom.  Emotions were running high because of the "spotty officiating" and the "T" came after a play that a Cabrini player stole the ball and was called for a foul.  Not a bad call, it was a horrible call.  Dom's emotions almost cost them the game, because that was his 5th foul.  Hopefully with some more maturity he'll be able to better channel that emotion.

I would say that FT's really cost both teams the game.  Cabrini missed 6 FTs in the first half but went 10-13 in the second half when it really counted.  Keystone only missed two in the first half, but they missed 6 in the second.  So it evened out overall.  It seems Keystone didn't handle the pressure so well.

Cabrini outscored Keystone 11-1 in the last 4+ minutes.  One key play was on a play and a foul to the basket, I believe at the 1:40 mark of the game.  Keystone(Lunger?) player drove to the basket made the basket and got the foul.  But the ball was bouncing in the cylinder and a Keystone Player (#23) touched the rim.  So it was offensive goaltending and the basket did not count.  Lunger hit the first FT but missed the second.  That play would have put Keystone up by 4(64-60). That would have forced Cabrini into deeper shots and KC wouldn't have been forced to try and tie it up at the end of the game but to win it. :P

Quote from: dwarf on February 25, 2009, 10:44:21 AM
anybody know why G Washington did not play last night?  will he play in the final?

The answer to your question is that he "should" see some playing time in the final.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 25, 2009, 12:15:41 PM
I also think that Keystone will be much better next year.  They have a lot of young players that saw a lot of time last night(also lost their cool too much) and they should be around for a few more years causing havoc in the CSAC.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 25, 2009, 12:19:25 PM
On a side note...I think it is time that this league decide to hold it's championship game at a neutral gym that is big enough to hold all the fans that would like to come...home court advantage really isnt that huge in a championship game bc the home school has to reserve a set number of tickets for the visiting school...It is just a shame to see people not be able to get into the game even if they have been following the team the whole season...prime example was last yr's championship game...I hope it doesnt happen again this yr gmc has a much better set up than IU, but give this game what it deserves, the max number of fans and the best facility possible
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 25, 2009, 12:34:31 PM
So IUuKno,

Where would you like to see it played?  In the Conference, around the Philly area, only Cabrini has the facility.  I know you are not suggesting that.  8) I believe you are wrong about the home court advantage though.  GMC hasn't lost a game at the friendly confines of The Griffin Complex this year.  If you win the conference in the regular season then you should get the opportunity to host.  I think IU had a great home court advantage last year, that's part of the reason they won the championship and earned the right to go to the NCAA's.  Yes, many of the gym's are band boxes but that is the college's decision that's why 10 years ago Cabrini chose to build a new facility.  I don't believe GMC has any intentions right now of building a new facility, so you're going to have to live with it.  If you want to see the game show up earlier. That goes for everybody, myself included. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 25, 2009, 01:12:33 PM
Well off the top of my head Arcadia has a gym that would be suffice...As for last years game IU had to reserve almost half their tickets for GMC leaving many IU students on the outside looking in...the home court advantage seemed huge for IU bc all those GMC fans didnt have much to cheer about...it wasnt a close game in the end....also it isnt a matter of showing up early, i dont know how they are handeling it this yr but last yr tickets were pre-sold and you couldnt buy a seat at the door...even players had to stand in line and buy tickets for their family....point is if they wanted to make it happen they could oh yea just thought of another gym The "Vern"
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 25, 2009, 01:39:04 PM
The neutral site is certainly an interesting concept, but I doubt that Arcadia and Alvernia would get many votes to serve as CSAC hosts.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 25, 2009, 01:51:20 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 25, 2009, 01:39:04 PM
The neutral site is certainly an interesting concept, but I doubt that Arcadia and Alvernia would get many votes to serve as CSAC hosts.

That is true.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 25, 2009, 02:08:17 PM
Maybe not, but that's why a decsion wouldn't be made off the top of their heads...the point is there are many great facilities around the city (maybe USP?) and in my opinon it would only add to the aura of this game....Teams are rewarded for their regular season titles with a home game to get to this point and in the playoff tournament both teams entering the final have the same record, just my opinon that it should be played out on a "grander" stage
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 25, 2009, 03:00:35 PM
This argument is not going to go anywhere.  It alll sounds so wonderful. But this is not D1.  Most of the other gyms have capacity of greater than a 1000. ( BBC-1500, Cab-1200, Cent 1200, GMC-1200, Keystone-1000). The others (Marywood 800, PBU-800, NC-300) have less.  I say let the schools decide where they want the home game.  If Immaculata doesn't have the capacity(per D3hoops website, 0) then they can decide to put it somewhere else.

This stuff has to be arranged in the future.  It also costs money, which many programs are fighting to get and keep.  Do you think that a school who finishes out of the playoffs wants to fund a "neutral" gym or "grander stage" for another school that makes it?  Time to face reality of Division 3 BBall.   It would also cost more for the fans who follow the teams. More costs at the gate and travel costs.

But let's say for arguments sake that next year, that the top 2 teams are Keystone and Marywood.  DO you think it is fair to have their fans travel down to "USP" as you stated.  One supported their team at their gym all year to get the right to win the regular season championship and the other team finishes second.  Then you're going to make both teams fans travel 2+hours down to Philly.  That's nuts.  That would be like having GMC and Cabrini fans travel up to Scranton area on Friday night so we could have an extra 1000 seats. Most people in that area aren't going to care and most of the fans wouldn't travel up there.  So this is just ridiculous and it's just not smart. This is not DI basketball.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 25, 2009, 03:27:46 PM
Ok well first of all I am not proposing an immediate change obviously it would be a process.  All I am saying is that it is a shame that there can be situations (like last year) that a large majority of fans are left out in the cold for the most important game of the year.  I am sorry if I wasnt clear, but I wasnt suggesting USP or Alvernia or Arcadia as the solution, I was merely refuting your point "In the Conference, around the Philly area, only Cabrini has the facility."  Which clearly isnt true....All I am doing is suggesting an improvement...sit there all you want and say its "not smart", but turning down an idea without giving it the proper look over and a quick no is "not smart"....if we were all so adverse to change there will still be no shot clock or three point line...
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 25, 2009, 03:30:54 PM
Hey lets relax here it was just a suggestion. And remember Cabrini's gym doubles the size of Immaculata (which holds 660 people by the way). Last year the players stood in line for tickets to their own game. The students were allowed to buy 1. GMC fans didnt show up to support the Griffins so more IU fans got in HOWEVER, HALF the tickets were available to GMC they just didnt utilize them. i believe it is a CSAC rule that HALF the tickets MUST BE available to the other school so in the end is that really Home Court advantage with the fans?


This G Wash situation is just weird if you ask me.


With him they have a chance but i think its a 89- 80 GMC game with him.
Without him its 93-74 GMC.


BUT YET AGAIN THATS WHY THEY PLAY THE GAME!


Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 25, 2009, 03:33:28 PM
Even though more fans got in some were still shut out to watch on webcast.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 25, 2009, 04:37:33 PM
I'm not adverse to change.  But sometimes changing something still doesn't make it work.   ;D Change for the sake of change doesn't work either.  I've seen both.   :(

Quote from: hIdeUmm on February 25, 2009, 03:30:54 PM
This G Wash situation is just weird if you ask me.

It's a good thing no one is asking you.  ;) But I agree.  I don't know how old you are hIdeUmm.  But sometimes young people do stupid things.  Even with good role models, sometimes young people do things that those of us who are older and wiser would not do.  :-X ie Michael Phelps
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 25, 2009, 05:01:06 PM
Hardly change for the sake of change, but if you didn't see the issue I was addressing before you can always re-read  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 25, 2009, 05:09:16 PM
You get really sensitive when posters come at gwash. how many time does a young person have to make a bad decisions before he hurts the team? so he did something stupid and sits out the semi final game.  he sits out for how long and then is a no show in the biggest game cabrini has had in YEARS. the second best player or best player based on opinion and he is on the bench because of a stupid decision? is this ok by cabrini standards?


And no one asked you to respond and post about the neutral site for the championship but you took the liberty so i thought id chime in :-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 25, 2009, 05:32:11 PM
Congratulations to both GMC(#5) and Cabrini(#7) for being ranked regionally this past week.  :)

Quote from: IUuKno on February 25, 2009, 05:01:06 PM
Hardly change for the sake of change, but if you didn't see the issue I was addressing before you can always re-read  ;D

I did read and reread.  I'm making the statement and my opinion is that the current format works well for most schools.  Because your gym only can handle so few people, get a bigger gym.  Because you would rather see a neutral site doesn't make my opinion any less relevant.   ;D  Also, what I say doesn't make yours any less relevant either.  :-\

Quote from: hIdeUmm on February 25, 2009, 05:09:16 PM
You get really sensitive when posters come at gwash. how many time does a young person have to make a bad decisions before he hurts the team? so he did something stupid and sits out the semi final game.  he sits out for how long and then is a no show in the biggest game cabrini has had in YEARS. the second best player or best player based on opinion and he is on the bench because of a stupid decision? is this ok by cabrini standards?


And no one asked you to respond and post about the neutral site for the championship but you took the liberty so i thought id chime in :-) :-) :-)

I'm not sensitive to him.  I was making a point. If you noticed the  ;) you would also realized I was joshing.  What he did was really stupid and he won't get any more chances.  This is his fault he was the one who let his team down, his coaches his fellow students and the fans of the team down.  His teammates decided that he wouldn't play and they came through in spite of him.  I would maybe even sit him for the game at GMC to make a point.  I am by no means defending what he did.  I was very disappointed in his actions.  But these kids are college students.  Sometimes college students do really stupid things.  Sometimes we forget the things we did as youth.  Maybe this will be his wake up call and if not he will be off the team.  So I'm not defending his actions, I was trying to put things into perspective.  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 25, 2009, 07:52:46 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 25, 2009, 03:00:35 PM
This argument is not going to go anywhere.  It alll sounds so wonderful. But this is not D1.  Most of the other gyms have capacity of greater than a 1000. ( BBC-1500, Cab-1200, Cent 1200, GMC-1200, Keystone-1000). The others (Marywood 800, PBU-800, NC-300) have less. 

If Marywood's gym only holds 800 people, we all need to go on a diet!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 25, 2009, 08:40:52 PM
haha yea there is no way that is the figure on the new facility which might be the nicest in the league
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 25, 2009, 10:12:04 PM
Quote from: hIdeUmm on February 25, 2009, 03:30:54 PM
Hey lets relax here it was just a suggestion. And remember Cabrini's gym doubles the size of Immaculata (which holds 660 people by the way). Last year the players stood in line for tickets to their own game. The students were allowed to buy 1. GMC fans didnt show up to support the Griffins so more IU fans got in HOWEVER, HALF the tickets were available to GMC they just didnt utilize them. i believe it is a CSAC rule that HALF the tickets MUST BE available to the other school so in the end is that really Home Court advantage with the fans?


This G Wash situation is just weird if you ask me.


With him they have a chance but i think its a 89- 80 GMC game with him.
Without him its 93-74 GMC.


BUT YET AGAIN THATS WHY THEY PLAY THE GAME!




If you knew the whole situation about GW you would not be questioning the circumstances.  It is not for anyone else to worry about it.  Between coach, player, and school.  Relax....GW is a fine young man.  If you were in the situation it would make sense. Lets move on.  Will he play? you will have to wait and see.

The neutral site concept is unacceptable.  Dig into some endowment funds and build a larger facility.   Parking and many other variables come into play as well as Title 9 expenditures so the issue is dead it will never happen.   If you saw some of the bands that took up 2 whole sections at the Dixon Center during  a couple of tournament games you would understand completely.  Not another school's fault how ticket sales are handled.  I think GMC and Cabrini do a pretty good job. Consequently when a school earns the right to have a home game advantage it should not be denied due to constraints.  Watch the game on Closed circuit TV like Neuman does and let life go on........ Mailsy get there early.

Oh well, Mailsy this weekend is GMC/ Cabrini men and women for the first CSAC championships in basketball.  Should be  war do not under estimate coaching abilities.  Get the buses ready Mailsy.  GMC just loves those Cavs fans coming up there from next door.  May the best team win.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 25, 2009, 10:16:36 PM
Sorry I forgot to mention, the crowd does not win the game.  The ball has to go into the basket.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 25, 2009, 10:23:48 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 25, 2009, 07:52:46 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 25, 2009, 03:00:35 PM
This argument is not going to go anywhere.  It alll sounds so wonderful. But this is not D1.  Most of the other gyms have capacity of greater than a 1000. ( BBC-1500, Cab-1200, Cent 1200, GMC-1200, Keystone-1000). The others (Marywood 800, PBU-800, NC-300) have less. 

If Marywood's gym only holds 800 people, we all need to go on a diet!

+1
I was only reading from the D3hoops number about gym capacity. :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 26, 2009, 01:17:16 PM
On the neutral site - In the days before the PAC, some of the local schools played in the ESAC that had a championship weekend at a site that rotated among the members.  It was a great atmosphere and really made for a fun weekend of getting to know players, coaches and fans from the other teams.  A few other conferences have, at times played at a larger local venue similar to Villanova's pavillion.

It's not impossible to do it, but my guess is that it's not going to happen.

On Glenn Washington.  Let's hope he has learned his lesson and this series of problems has concluded. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 26, 2009, 05:39:10 PM
Quote from: Coach C on February 26, 2009, 01:17:16 PM
On the neutral site - In the days before the PAC, some of the local schools played in the ESAC that had a championship weekend at a site that rotated among the members.  It was a great atmosphere and really made for a fun weekend of getting to know players, coaches and fans from the other teams.  A few other conferences have, at times played at a larger local venue similar to Villanova's pavillion.

It's not impossible to do it, but my guess is that it's not going to happen.

On Glenn Washington.  Let's hope he has learned his lesson and this series of problems has concluded. 


Ahhhh .... Coach C.  I remember those District 19/ Keystone Athletic Conference, NAIA, EPAC, and ECAC championships very well in the 80's and 90's.   Brings chills back.   In those circumstances I would agree with you about a neutral site game.  In light of this in today's world in the CSAC conference championships I do not think it is warranted.  The most recent memory of a neutral site game was the regionals at Catholic University. What a weekend of shopping and fun.  The gym was roped off in 4 sections each day with different tickets all day long for the events of hoops. The Cavs met up with E'town in the Sweet 16 and lost it in the last seconds on a 3 with a bad screen.  Anyhow....it was fun, educational, and one was exposed to many opinions and styles of bball with the forum created by the playoff site.  It was truly fun to have a vested interest and become more exposed to the coaches, fans, and players across the region. Catholic U. did a good job in organizing such an event as well.

To this end, I believe in the current situation a neutral site would only be feasible if enough interest was generated for the games before the tourney.  At this level in this region saturated with D1 and D2 schools it would not work.  I understand the passion amongst the posters and new posters who have small facilities similiar to a sardine can but that is life.

Please understand Hide, Tony, Iukno, Mailsy, Chair, Lefty, and even the mighty Chizwiz I believe understands but although there is interest in our handful of people here it does not warrant a neutral site.  We should be glad our discussions are positive in terms of survival of the conference with an automatic bid not being the topic of discussion rather than a neutral location.   Perhaps someday in the future if finances and academics allow the growth of D3 in the region to blossom in an athletic sense when they realize these smaller institutions with low enrollments are on the map could enough interest be generated to establish a neutral site. 

Personally for what my opinion is worth... I think all you guys are great that post and if we had our way because of the creation of P. Coleman and D3 perhaps with more fan interest and voting in conference if the institution size grows we could establish a neutral site with a rotation of staff.  Kind of think it would be a positive thing for all aspects of an institution regarding communication, media, production, staffing etc.. for all the conference institutions.  There would probably be many double headers available to see for all but logistically the conference would need to coordinate a cost effective travel budget for some institutions.  With Title 9 and equal expenditures as well as time slots for women it could be a problem.   I think with the small enrollment in our institutions it would not work without a large following each game.    Again, I understand the passion of our posters who have to deal with small facilities when they may have a real basketball program developing without them having a voice in facility development or planning but this is D3 not D1 unfortunately.   Sorry to dissappoint anyone with a small facility or parking area but it is a sad fact of life.  Imagine IU or Rosemont men or women going to the Final Four and not getting a larger facility with a serious program.  The admin has to be on board with all of you guys sadly. 

Sorry to babble at all of you just an opinion from the Wolf.  Perhaps with some lobbying efforts by the students to generate some interest things may change in some ways for the better.   We should be grateful though for the play in our conference.  It could have been much worse.  Keystone, and Centenary , Baptist Bible, and despite the record Phil Bible are assets. Maybe when those teams come of age, things will change and we will be talking about how it was without neutral sites in our older years.

Enjoy the tourney.......Wolfpac...   Oh yeah, you can win with GW or without GW if you notice.  It would be nice to have him back in the line-up to cut down some nets.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 26, 2009, 08:58:48 PM
Actually, the PAC utilized the Final Four format up until at least the 2000-2001 season.

The semi's and finals were played at the top seed on Friday/Saturday.

It didn't solve the "small gym complex," but it was exciting, except when the host got upset in the semi's.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 26, 2009, 09:47:58 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 26, 2009, 08:58:48 PM
Actually, the PAC utilized the Final Four format up until at least the 2000-2001 season.

The semi's and finals were played at the top seed on Friday/Saturday.

It didn't solve the "small gym complex," but it was exciting, except when the host got upset in the semi's.

Thats right Lefty, just that the Cavs have not been in too many finals in the PAC recently so I forgot.   Your point is taken about the host losing.  Amazingly the crowd does not win the game despite the emotions and cheering.  Love those hecklers during the free throws. It is pure fun except when the students get a little carried away and disrespect someone on the personal level.   A larger facility is convenient though for the fans with a more comfortable seating arrangement instead of getting crushed by someone 390 lbs sitting next to you and breathing heavily with a nasty smell from dinner even with breath mints and perfume or cologne.

Sorry for the detailed account but you never know what you are going to get when you are packed into a sardine can in the heat of the moment unless you sit with all your peers.

My issue has been and do not mean to disrespect or discredit an official but it seems the quality of refs has gone down.  There is not a consistent crew out there lately.  I just do not understand how at this level the officials are not more highly trained so the game is not impacted negatively. I could not do better I admit but so much is on the line in the competitive nature of the games and bad calls need to be minimized especially in the playoffs.  Seems it is tick for tack and the game cannot flow especially when a ref is standing 3ft away and blows the call.  Then an official 20 yards away blows the whistle as they rotate the floor and bail out the other guy.  I have seen so much of this lately.  It is disgusting for both teams.   Missed calls are a fact of life but they are not doing the best job lately.   Perhaps the commissioner needs to come out to the games more often.   Not crying about it but it destroys a game played at a high level when the crowd and coach see the obvious nothing called then a make up call down the other end on a ticky tack foul destroying the flow of the game.   The 5 second rule and 3 second rule is gone it seems as well as a moving pick or screen which I see countless times.  Getting ridiculous.......anyone else feel that way?   Sometimes on a busy Saturday filled with games you one that cannot run the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 26, 2009, 11:15:08 PM
It is going to be a fun night tomorrow at the Griffin Complex.  I expect a hard fought game.  I know it will be tough for the Cavs.  GMC is very talented and deadly at home.  But it's not over.  Nothing is over.  It wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor and it's not over til the fat lady sings.  ;D I think Cabrini has a shot.  Slim.  8) But that's why they play the games. Last year GMC was the heavy favorite in the women's championship and Cabrini came through.  So why not the men this year.  Good luck Cabrini.

GO CAVS BEAT GWYNEDD!!!  8)  8)  8)  
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 26, 2009, 11:26:28 PM
"Never tell a young person that anything cannot be done. God may have been waiting centuries for someone ignorant enough of the impossible to do that very thing."

Lots of action here I like it...even when there are only two teams left....Well let me say one last thing bout the neutral site thing i started, which brought on discussion and was good, but anyway I wasnt trying to start a facebook group (modern day picketting) about it and demand immediate action I was simply throwing an idea out there for consideration at some point...as a former MAC I can tell you that we would have played that game outside in the freezing cold if it meant all our family, friends and fans could have watched, and I am well aware a new gym at IU is probably not on the top of a laundry list of renovations but enough of that...

As for an issue that may come up and Wolf glanced over...in what circumstances can the automatic bid be taken away?  I am just curious if anyone has insight on whether there is some sort of conference evaluation method done periodically or something....

And as for officiating...God knows we have had some characters ref in this league...just a personal opinon, but high school refs should stick to high school its a different game and when you get some of these guys bouncing between college and high school they usually very good, just throwing that out there

*the beggining of that quote is what mattered, im not suggesting anyone is ignorant*



Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 26, 2009, 11:27:32 PM
Oh and good luck to both teams tomorrow...hopefully its a close game with little officiating woes
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 26, 2009, 11:34:32 PM
+1 IUuKno
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2009, 12:12:12 AM
Only if you fall below the required seven teams would you be in danger of losing the automatic bid, and even then you have a two-year grace period to get back up to speed.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: patriot1741 on February 27, 2009, 06:47:56 PM
i'll take gwynnedd tonight... 93-74... i think they just overpower the cavs and they are way too physical for them
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2009, 09:06:33 PM
Been listening to the postgame show for seven minutes and no score mentioned yet. GMC won.

Anyone who knows the score, please pass it along.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2009, 09:08:52 PM
Nine minutes in it was finally mentioned: 108-96 GMC.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 28, 2009, 12:18:46 AM
Tonight's game was really rockin' at the Griffin Complex tonight.  Congrats to Gwynedd for winning the CSAC this year.  They have a very solid team.  Best of Luck to them in the NCAA's.  This Cabrini fan will be rooting for the boys to some damage in the tourney.

However,My assessment of tonights refereeing was that it was not even close to bad.  It was in a range so far out that bad would be a compliment.  I have been very disappointed with the refereeing this year.  I have never seen anything like it in my years of watching D3 basketball.

I don't know necessarily know if the poor officiating caused the loss but they were pretty close.  The personal fouls were 25-17 against the Cavs.  Cabrini just barely got into the one and one in the second half.  Don't tell me that I'm a sore loser when the foul calls were 18 on Cabrini and 8 were on GMC in the second half.  A player would get hammered and the refs swallow their whistles and then on the other end they'd call some ticky tack foul and that call came from the ref on the other side of the court.  Just to name a few incidents.  Needless to say Gwynedd won and many of the Cabrini faithful were not happy.  :(

But, I'm just going to say it.  Cabrini got home court jobbed!!!  >:( >:(

Gwynedd is a solid team and I won't take anything away from them.  But I would have liked to have seen a much better officiated game then the one I witnessed tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 28, 2009, 03:14:57 AM
Hmmm...ok I have a few things to cover here...First of all Jon Hogga was by far the best player on the floor tonight, he has no business playing d3 ball, and who knows why he only played 19 min...he was flat out ungaurdable in the first half ...Next I know my neutral site suggestion didnt go over so well but how about this one, move the game to 8pm instead of 7 it seemed like the place didnt completely fill untill about 8 anyway

Now on to the offciating...I thought there were some not so friendly calls for cabrini (toward the end) however in my opinon it had little to do with the outcome...you can attribute the foul differential to some degree to the fact that cabrini took a ton of jumpshots and didnt do a great job attacking the basket and KM''s 4th and 5th foul (I abreviate bc i cant spell) were lazy and probably was the straw the broke the camels back (although I wonder why your best player with 4 fouls is at the top of the press trapping), but to say they got jobbed is simply not true and I think a comment out of passion? :-\...the better team won tonight and on a side note in my opinon that was the best offciating crew that this league has to offer (not sayin they did their best but they r the best)

On the crowd...I was sitting in the heart of the Cabrini faithful (common colors drew me there) and I was pulling for them...The GMC fans were weak and it was an awkward celebration and I honestly wish Cabrini had won bc it would have been a much better scene ...The Cabrini fans had the oppertunity to take the gym over if only they had more to cheer about

Overall neither team played any defense, cabrini because they just didnt match up well and a shootout was their best shot and gmc bc the just didnt play smart defensively....which is why I dont see gmc lasting more than a game or two in the tourny although they have the talent for much more

Next yr things look bright for both programs and I have a strong feeling there will be a rematch

Congrats to GMC
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 28, 2009, 07:11:23 AM
IUuKno,

There certainly was some emotion last night.  Time to think about it with an okay night sleep.  I agree with many of your points. 

Hogga, your right was the best player on the court.  He will be a force for GMC for a couple more years.  Maybe he'll come to his senses and move on to D2.  ;D  ::). 

Part of the reason GMC crowd was weak is that they started spring break Friday and Cabrini is still in session.  But you are right about the Cabrini fans.  They were much more enthusiastic and if Cavs won the place would have gone nuts. Glad you were with us.  I kind of agree with you about an 8:00pm start. I think that especially on a Friday night they could have started later to make sure there weren't  so many late arrivals. I still disagree about neutral sight, though. :D

With a score of 108-96.  You are right there was no defense and 96 points should get you a win on most nights.

Really the best?   Well you are right about one thing they were not their best last night.(Still my opinion)   If Cabrini wasn't the second best team in the league, they would have overcome a "poor" night by the officiating... no matter what!!!

Again congratulations to Gwynedd and best of luck in the NCAA's!!! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 28, 2009, 09:39:57 AM
Quote from: IUuKno on February 28, 2009, 03:14:57 AM
Hmmm...ok I have a few things to cover here...First of all Jon Hogga was by far the best player on the floor tonight, he has no business playing d3 ball, and who knows why he only played 19 min...he was flat out ungaurdable in the first half ...Next I know my neutral site suggestion didnt go over so well but how about this one, move the game to 8pm instead of 7 it seemed like the place didnt completely fill untill about 8 anyway

Now on to the offciating...I thought there were some not so friendly calls for cabrini (toward the end) however in my opinon it had little to do with the outcome...you can attribute the foul differential to some degree to the fact that cabrini took a ton of jumpshots and didnt do a great job attacking the basket and KM''s 4th and 5th foul (I abreviate bc i cant spell) were lazy and probably was the straw the broke the camels back (although I wonder why your best player with 4 fouls is at the top of the press trapping), but to say they got jobbed is simply not true and I think a comment out of passion? :-\...the better team won tonight and on a side note in my opinon that was the best offciating crew that this league has to offer (not sayin they did their best but they r the best)

On the crowd...I was sitting in the heart of the Cabrini faithful (common colors drew me there) and I was pulling for them...The GMC fans were weak and it was an awkward celebration and I honestly wish Cabrini had won bc it would have been a much better scene ...The Cabrini fans had the oppertunity to take the gym over if only they had more to cheer about

Overall neither team played any defense, cabrini because they just didnt match up well and a shootout was their best shot and gmc bc the just didnt play smart defensively....which is why I dont see gmc lasting more than a game or two in the tourny although they have the talent for much more

Next yr things look bright for both programs and I have a strong feeling there will be a rematch

Congrats to GMC


OK    IUuKno/Mailsy

Let me get this straight.......

Hogga and Smith are D1 transfers. Because of this GMC was more talented and athletic. Afterall when someone comes in from the Patriot league (Lafayette) it helps. 

GMC was more talented and athletic overall. Their gaurds were slashing and cutting all night with motion and they were the better team.

Hogga drained 5 3pt shots and scored 22 pts in the first half but ended with 25 as well as Smith 25.   The rest of the team scored 58 pts.

Cavs offense was not in synch with the outside shots, they could not drive nor rebound but were committing fouls left and right due to the fact they could not gaurd the 2 wonder twins who were prima donnas.

Cabrini's fans blew away the GMC fans, the celebration was weak.

From what the facts say GMC with its home court adv. should have won the game easily.   I do not see a problem.

Marcus Kahn could out coach a few in the CSAC if the playing field was equal.  Baron is a great recruiter but not the best coach.

I observed no set schemes for the Cavs in terms of inbounding the ball. NO stacking or sliding, I only saw them double down low but then one or the other wonder twins were open.  Adds up to a blow out in my opinion but the Cavs hung in there.

The officials in this league are not consistent.  I know 2 who are father and sons and one was there last night.  Guess what he is a high school ref up in Leheigh and he was calling like high school last night.  He is only a substitute ref at best at this level...... I can verify.

Due to the lobsided lead it was easy for the officials to call the easy fouls or not get it right since the game was out of reach towards the end.

Charles Bush got robbed and was rewarded with a Technical, Kevin M. was in mid court earlier swating flys but OK..... Smith was at mid court a few times swatting flys but nothing was called.   OK what about the player with the No1 on his jersey who hopped and traveled and there were not any calls.  What about GW getting fouled but not a call on the sidelines in front of the Cavs bench.   

Granted....GMC was a better team but the cards were stacked from the beginning.  I really think the better team based on what resources and personnel they had were the Cavs and our fans kicked some tail.

By the way the Griffin center does not hold the capacity it states.  They better revise their figures.  I have been there since it existed so I know.


GMC had the officials in their back pocket from the start which did not help but they deserve the win.  Perhaps the Cavs could get in the tourney in some backdoor way. 

When a player is truly fouled I hear the Cavs fans saying no he had him or that was a foul even in the heat of the moment.   Cavs fans are knowledgeable believe me.  They tend to yell at their own players for being stupid.... but tonight the fouls were truly ridiculous.  A couple were legitimate and a maybe a dozen or so were warrented but come on..............

I know refs are excuses and a good team wins against bad refs well we had the 2 best teams out there but only one was given a fair deal.  The refs have a difficult job, but a good crew knows how to manage a game from a better perspective and that crew sucked.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 28, 2009, 09:49:42 AM
Having said all that.....Congratulations to GMC and hope they do well in the tourney.  Congratulations to M. Kahn and the Cavs for a 20 win season.

Recruit.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 28, 2009, 10:54:33 AM
I thought shaky officiating only occurred north of the tunnel.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 28, 2009, 12:04:09 PM
Ok well Wolf I will agree with you on the Bush charge call it was a clear flop, however they played much better with him on the bench #11 should have gotten more min....but here is the thing when a team plays as agressive offensively the way gmc played, they are going to get the calls thats just how the game goes, you arent going to get many calls when the majority of your shots are coming from 19ft and beyond, cabrini had very few STRONG takes to the basket...

I would have loved to have seen GW take the ball to the basket more and get to the line especially when his shot wasnt falling early...aslo there was a long stretch in the 2nd half where GW didnt even touch the ball and guys were taking bad shot, then Cabrini calls a timeout, runs a play for him and he finds KM shaping up on a screen for an easy two...but then they sort of ignore him again untill KM fouls out....

One note about the "Wonder" twins...Smith did transfer from the patriot league, but for a yr and a half got less than walk on minutes and just didnt belong on that level...probably could have been a hell of a D2 player and is a great d3 player...Hogga on the other hand played significant minutes for St. peters as a freshman and really doesnt belong on this level...just making that distinction, but having said that neither of them should be paying for school...and who knows maybe they rnt  ::)

Lastly I thought Baron made some good ajustments at halftime, GMC slowed down and dictated the pace the rest of the game, whereas in the first half it was just run and gun and they managed the game poorly in the last min and allowed Cabrini to take some momentum going on an 8-1 run (unoffical, just my count) in the final 60 seconds
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: patriot1741 on February 28, 2009, 12:05:31 PM

Granted....GMC was a better team but the cards were stacked from the beginning.  I really think the better team based on what resources and personnel they had were the Cavs

If you really think that Cabrini is the better team with better personnel, then it shows how skewed your thinking really is.  Were the refs shady? Sure.  Would it MAYBE have made a difference? Maybe.  I personally think that GMC knew they had it and would go on a run when they felt like pushing the lead out, then relax and let Cabrini come back.  That is why GMC won't do a lot in the tourney, they don't really play a full 40 minutes.  They can get away with it in the CSAC, but against top notch national competition it won't work.  Not to mention (as previously stated), they don't play any defense.  Back to my original point though, GMC is far and away more talented, athletic, skilled, than ANY team in this conference.  Barron may not be the best in-game coach, but when you have that kind of talent, it doesn't really matter.  
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 28, 2009, 03:21:05 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 28, 2009, 10:54:33 AM
I thought shaky officiating only occurred north of the tunnel.



The shaky one was from Lehigh so does that count as north of the tunnel?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 28, 2009, 03:31:26 PM
Quote from: IUuKno on February 28, 2009, 12:04:09 PM
Ok well Wolf I will agree with you on the Bush charge call it was a clear flop, however they played much better with him on the bench #11 should have gotten more min....but here is the thing when a team plays as agressive offensively the way gmc played, they are going to get the calls thats just how the game goes, you arent going to get many calls when the majority of your shots are coming from 19ft and beyond, cabrini had very few STRONG takes to the basket...

I would have loved to have seen GW take the ball to the basket more and get to the line especially when his shot wasnt falling early...aslo there was a long stretch in the 2nd half where GW didnt even touch the ball and guys were taking bad shot, then Cabrini calls a timeout, runs a play for him and he finds KM shaping up on a screen for an easy two...but then they sort of ignore him again untill KM fouls out....

One note about the "Wonder" twins...Smith did transfer from the patriot league, but for a yr and a half got less than walk on minutes and just didnt belong on that level...probably could have been a hell of a D2 player and is a great d3 player...Hogga on the other hand played significant minutes for St. peters as a freshman and really doesnt belong on this level...just making that distinction, but having said that neither of them should be paying for school...and who knows maybe they rnt  ::)

Lastly I thought Baron made some good ajustments at halftime, GMC slowed down and dictated the pace the rest of the game, whereas in the first half it was just run and gun and they managed the game poorly in the last min and allowed Cabrini to take some momentum going on an 8-1 run (unoffical, just my count) in the final 60 seconds


IUuKuno-- thank you......that was a clear logical assessment.

Patriot it is obvious who the best team was and my thinking was not skewed thank you but rather I was blowing off steam.   IUuKuno you have it right with the way the game was called....the Cavs did not earn the line agreed and based on that fact it was a well officiated game.  Emotions tend to cloud the mind when you are spectating amongst diehard Cav fans and parents.  Patriot please if you were looking at it from my perspective you would see why my initial reaction was congruent with Mailsy.  That said GMC is better-no brainer.

Glad it is over to tell you the truth....I knew the outcome before it started but wanted to know how it would play out.   Well I guess it is called the rest of the CSAC has to catch up to GMC.............. Keystone is going to move on up quickly in my opinion.   With some of the old Pac teams not in the conference it actually benefits GMC even more than the other teams.   Hey all the teams had the same chance to get there despite their make-up.

Maybe head on out to see the Lady's this evening.... Have a good weekend all, no hard feelings just hope Marcus sticks around for a few years.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2009, 07:10:50 PM
mailsy,
I think they sent your refs to the F&M and Muhlenberg game.  Sixty-one fouls were called, but numerous walking and carrying violations weren't called.  Two fragrant fouls on the Muhlenberg center weren't called even though he leveled two F&M players with vicious elbows to the head.
The best taunt of the night was, "Ref, it's a foul even if the jersey doesn't rip!"  Where do they get the refs?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on March 01, 2009, 10:54:37 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2009, 07:10:50 PM
mailsy,
I think they sent your refs to the F&M and Muhlenberg game.  Sixty-one fouls were called, but numerous walking and carrying violations weren't called.  Two fragrant fouls the Muhlenberg center weren't called even he leveled two F&M players with vicious elbows to the head.
The best taunt of the night was, "Ref, it's a foul even if the jersey doesn't rip!"  Where do they get the refs.

Wow! I take that back Patriot...... maybe I was not blowing off steam the refs are pathetic. The officiating did suck for a playoff game in our conference.  Mailsy, Reserved Seat understands.  I know GMc was the better team and won but the refs impacted the game in a negative way.  The supervisor of officials was at the Dixon Center on Sat. and he was aware of the importance of a womens game with 2 teams that are rivals. He put the best men on the job and there were no complaints from either side despite someone lost. Neither coach had to argue a call.  Once I saw a the Cavs coach question a call but that was it and the game was not lopsided.   Then I saw the GMC coach yell once and get an explanation but that was it.  By the way, the same official was involved in both instances which seems par when there is a weak link in the crew.

If the refs call a good game it does not change the outcome and good teams overcome the refs but the quality of officials seems to be going down the tubes especially in a big game.  Sometimes I feel the zebra stripes want attention for themselves at a big moment.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach K on March 02, 2009, 10:53:28 AM
I was at the CSAC final, and I have to say, it wasn't the BEST officiated game, but it wasn't horrible. I think the contrast of styles between the two teams made it seem sort of choppy. Give GMC a lot of credit, they play a physical brand of basketball, with bigs that can impose their will in the post, or step out and shoot the 3. They are much better than their regional ranking shows, and they will pose some matchup problems for anyone they get in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on March 02, 2009, 12:42:33 PM
Tough draw for GMC, but nothing is out of reach with the talent they have... good luck to them
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: larry_u on March 02, 2009, 04:38:38 PM
Can someone post your NCAA team's profiles in here:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6299.0
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: patriot1741 on March 02, 2009, 05:17:24 PM
wolfpac,

if you would like to take back your statement that cabrini was the better team, then i have no beef with you, my point was not to say that the refs were great or that you're complaints were illegetimate.  my only point was to say that gmc was and is BY FAR the best team in the csac this year.  can they be beat? yes.  were they beat? yes. are they the best team? yes.  is it close? no.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on March 02, 2009, 08:08:25 PM
Quote from: patriot1741 on March 02, 2009, 05:17:24 PM
wolfpac,

if you would like to take back your statement that cabrini was the better team, then i have no beef with you, my point was not to say that the refs were great or that you're complaints were illegetimate.  my only point was to say that gmc was and is BY FAR the best team in the csac this year.  can they be beat? yes.  were they beat? yes. are they the best team? yes.  is it close? no.

Patriot,  my fault... GMC is superior by far no argument my issue was with the refs.  I hope GMC goes far into the tourney.  My taking back was I was blowing off steam about the officiating but then I think from all the other comments I heard on and off the board my thinking was not out of line regarding the game calls.  No doubt GMC was the best team despite the refs.  I am just disgusted overall with the quality of the refs.  Maybe our conference deserves better officials.  (no beef with you )
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 06, 2009, 09:53:37 PM
Congrats to Gwynedd in beating Amherst tonight!!!  They will have their hands full tomorrow against Stockton.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2009, 05:01:36 PM
Any readers here who are even thinking they might want to attend the Final Four should enter the City of Salem's contest: Free lodging, free tickets, admission to team banquet and VIP passes:

http://www.d3hoops.com/salemgiveaway/
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 17, 2009, 11:17:09 PM
Congrats to Cabrini's Kevin Misevicius for second team All Mid Atlantic region.   8)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on March 26, 2009, 01:18:48 PM
Any good news out there for the CSAC in terms of recruiting talent?

How about the Cavs?   If anyone heres anything good please let me know since I do care it would be appreciated.

Are the Cavs getting any big men for the post?   Defining roles with the new coach will be a challenge but it will work out if they play his system.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on March 29, 2009, 10:12:59 AM
Hey you diehard Cav fans,  Cabrini has a pretty good lacrosse team and a CSAC chat board if you hoop fans are bored or want to let off some steam.

YOOO Mailsy..... where are you?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachM33 on April 08, 2009, 01:18:40 PM
Any news on Centenary's newcomers?  It will be interesting to know who Enrico brings in after a successful year...
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on April 09, 2009, 10:47:15 PM
Have not heard anything waiting for the summer leagues to heat up.  If anyone has any news about anyone please chime in to make things more informative and interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jabstep08 on April 13, 2009, 07:38:02 PM
Just heard the head coach from Neumann has taken the wilmington University position...who would be a nice fit for that program if someone has an opinion?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on April 14, 2009, 09:01:54 AM
Quote from: jabstep08 on April 13, 2009, 07:38:02 PM
Just heard the head coach from Neumann has taken the wilmington University position...who would be a nice fit for that program if someone has an opinion?

Thx for chiming in Jab..... interesting..... many Neumann alumni or former assistant coaches from the Knights out there that my be in the run.  Look for someone to apply for a head coach job so they can be in control of a program.  Interestingly enough there are also some Cabrini grads out there or even a couple from GMC.... time will tell.   Please only my opinion.....  Would love to see someone get his 500th win as a coach there but can only hope......we shall see.  Thanks again for the input. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on May 27, 2009, 01:20:11 PM
Cabrini has landed a very solid big man for next season
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on May 28, 2009, 01:35:18 AM
Quote from: IUuKno on May 27, 2009, 01:20:11 PM
Cabrini has landed a very solid big man for next season

Who would that be, IUuKno?   ???
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on May 28, 2009, 09:33:41 AM
Quote from: mailsy on May 28, 2009, 01:35:18 AM
Quote from: IUuKno on May 27, 2009, 01:20:11 PM
Cabrini has landed a very solid big man for next season

Who would that be, IUuKno?   ???


Glad to hear from you Mailsy?

Hey how big is big? 6"9 or is the guy a stick or another Randy Reid?

Hey IUunko thanks for the post.....please shed some light on this for us.

Mailsy, where have you been?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on May 28, 2009, 05:23:35 PM
I've been around. Three months until another school year and 4 1/2 months until basketball season.  I'm looking forward to an exciting year in '09-'10.  Maybe a CSAC championship, dare I say.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on May 28, 2009, 05:59:43 PM
Quote from: mailsy on May 28, 2009, 05:23:35 PM
I've been around. Three months until another school year and 4 1/2 months until basketball season.  I'm looking forward to an exciting year in '09-'10.  Maybe a CSAC championship, dare I say.   ;)

Boy Mailsy..........bold bold bold, you must know something good! !
If you are counting down already something must be brewing over in Cav land.

Actually looking forward to bball myself and the posters.  Hope all is well and please let us know when something good happens even if you do not give specifics.

Sounds to me like the recruiting is going very well at Radnor.  We may have found a coach who gets it finally.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on May 29, 2009, 12:15:00 AM
Quote from: Wolfpac on May 28, 2009, 05:59:43 PM
Quote from: mailsy on May 28, 2009, 05:23:35 PM
I've been around. Three months until another school year and 4 1/2 months until basketball season.  I'm looking forward to an exciting year in '09-'10.  Maybe a CSAC championship, dare I say.   ;)

Boy Mailsy..........bold bold bold, you must know something good! !
If you are counting down already something must be brewing over in Cav land.

Actually looking forward to bball myself and the posters.  Hope all is well and please let us know when something good happens even if you do not give specifics.

Sounds to me like the recruiting is going very well at Radnor.  We may have found a coach who gets it finally.

Wolf,

What took you so long to figure that out?   I thought Marcus would do well for the program and the school the first day I met him.  You sometimes just know.   :D 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on May 29, 2009, 09:18:28 AM
Just a little skeptical when a good guy comes along who gets it when everyone else uses Cabrini as a stepping stone or a temporary position.

On top of that, having faith in the administration to support the athletics for developing a national powerhouse gives me negative feelings with the way the economy is rolling along.

Hoping for some good things to happen with GW and Kevin with a big man.  Wonder how the 3pt shot will be addressed this year with rule changes as well as Zabel stepping into the role.  I can actually say.......cannot wait until summer is over.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on May 30, 2009, 04:03:34 PM
Goran Dulac from Pennsbury 6'6 wide body, very solid for this level...Pennsubury's coach is a Cabrini grad....this is something i've heard, but from a reliable source
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on May 30, 2009, 10:18:53 PM
I did a search and Goran is going to Cabrini.  I saw this at http://www.pennsburyhoops.com/index_files/trio.htm (http://www.pennsburyhoops.com/index_files/trio.htm).  Seems like a nice pick up for Cabrini; and yes Frank is a Cabrini grad.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jabstep08 on June 01, 2009, 12:53:17 PM
In summer league action out at williamson trade. Philly U beats Neumann university, Widener University beats gwynedd mercy, cabrini beats immaculatta and eastern was in the middle of a good game with chestnut hill.  The big kid goran showed some promise..neumann is guard heavy..immaculatta is rebuilding and gwynedd was not at full tilt but still managed to stick with the pride..
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on June 01, 2009, 06:00:56 PM
Hey jabstep,

Thanks for the update.   :)  +1 K
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on June 01, 2009, 09:22:13 PM
Quote from: jabstep08 on June 01, 2009, 12:53:17 PM
In summer league action out at williamson trade. Philly U beats Neumann university, Widener University beats gwynedd mercy, cabrini beats immaculatta and eastern was in the middle of a good game with chestnut hill.  The big kid goran showed some promise..neumann is guard heavy..immaculatta is rebuilding and gwynedd was not at full tilt but still managed to stick with the pride..


Appreciate it Jabstep....hope someone out there gets a player who is going to light up the conference on a national level.  We need something to energize the league like a Willie Chandler or something after all this realignment.

Mailsy, hoping the Cavs get some depth this year.  Hope you are OK too.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jabstep08 on June 01, 2009, 10:15:49 PM
Gwynedd mercy should be the favorite coming into next year followed by cabrini...cabrini should be really really good. the big kid from pennsbury should fit fine and they have a point guard from out of new jersey...along wasington and company should be a team to be worth looking out for.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach K on June 21, 2009, 10:12:52 AM
Any word on who will be getting the Neumann job?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jabstep08 on June 22, 2009, 09:34:56 PM
heard that coach braon was offered but neumann was off on some numbers money wise...which is why they will never win..guy was one heck of resume winning in the conference...the other was assistant at philly u...jimmy riley i believe is his name..
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 27, 2009, 11:03:40 AM
If true, that's interesting that Baron would consider leaving GMC for Neumann.  Is the latter job more desirable for some reason?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jabstep08 on June 28, 2009, 12:03:53 PM
He is not a full time coach over at gmc, which imo is crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach K on June 28, 2009, 09:44:39 PM
If it is true, full time is always better than part time!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 28, 2009, 10:15:46 PM
Ah.  Well, that would certainly make a difference.  Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on July 01, 2009, 07:06:01 PM
Hey just wondering anyone hear anything on the Cyclones summer? Looking forward to Rico's second year!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 20, 2009, 08:29:17 PM
Any updates on summer league games?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach K on July 26, 2009, 05:35:02 PM
Who did Neumann University hire as their head coach?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jabstep08 on July 27, 2009, 11:45:50 PM
Lenny Stanziano from lebanon valley college!!!!!!!!!! idk what Chuck Sack the ad is doing but its funny how he tells an alum and former player that the school is going into another direction and hires Mr. Stanziano..its unbelievable...the past two coaches have just made neumann a pit stop and have left after just two seasons..i think the ad has to go, and its about time the University looks into hiring an alum!!!!!!!! just my thoughts
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 28, 2009, 01:20:30 AM
Just because this is the person who took the job doesn't mean it was the person the AD wanted or the first person the AD offered it to -- no offense to Lenny Stanziano, of course.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jabstep08 on July 28, 2009, 11:53:58 AM
i didnt mean any disrespect to the new hire but when is someone who has some ties to the program gonna get a shot? they offered a couple of people but i guess the money was a problem. i just would like for them to hire or consider some alumni!!!!! the ad wants to give all of his st. joes people a chance why not any neumann people?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on August 03, 2009, 10:01:19 PM
Quote from: jabstep08 on July 28, 2009, 11:53:58 AM
i didnt mean any disrespect to the new hire but when is someone who has some ties to the program gonna get a shot? they offered a couple of people but i guess the money was a problem. i just would like for them to hire or consider some alumni!!!!! the ad wants to give all of his st. joes people a chance why not any neumann people?

Sorry, having technical difficulties bear with me out there.
In light of things have to use the quote button for some reason to post but is resolved.
Anyone want to comment on the strength of the non-conference schedule for Cabrini?
Looks as if it is on the weak side if you look at the records of the teams last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on August 03, 2009, 10:23:10 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on August 03, 2009, 10:01:19 PM
Quote from: jabstep08 on July 28, 2009, 11:53:58 AM
i didnt mean any disrespect to the new hire but when is someone who has some ties to the program gonna get a shot? they offered a couple of people but i guess the money was a problem. i just would like for them to hire or consider some alumni!!!!! the ad wants to give all of his st. joes people a chance why not any neumann people?

Sorry, having technical difficulties bear with me out there.
In light of things have to use the quote button for some reason to post but is resolved.
Anyone want to comment on the strength of the non-conference schedule for Cabrini?
Looks as if it is on the weak side if you look at the records of the teams last year.

Not trying to take anything away from the team, but they could have a nice record this year and have problems if they get out of the conference

somehow.   I hope with their new additions things will be better vs GMC this year.  The other teams new to the conference may be more than they bargained for with the parity in the teams.  Looking forward to the Battle of Eagle road.             
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on August 05, 2009, 01:06:31 PM
Looking at the schedules, it looks like the Cyclones have a pretty tough non-conference schedule, which hopefully gets them ready for playoff time!!! Good job to the new staff!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on August 05, 2009, 09:25:25 PM
Quote from: tonymnm on August 05, 2009, 01:06:31 PM
Looking at the schedules, it looks like the Cyclones have a pretty tough non-conference schedule, which hopefully gets them ready for playoff time!!! Good job to the new staff!!!

Very interesting.  What is new on the Cyclone recruiting front if anything?  They are an upcoming team that comes to play but may be under the radar to some.

Does a weak schedule for non-conference indicate the level of play expected during the season?  Is it possible their are too many teams to play who you want or is it strategically scheduled to the needs of the team?  The Cavs beat some strong teams but lost to LVC with who had juniors and seniors badly.  I think it depends on the chemistry of the team and how many seniors.   
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on August 06, 2009, 12:52:27 PM
From what I hear they got 3 out of their top 10 recruits including their top guy, who is a real athletic 6 ft 5 kid. They also got a good point guard, and a kid who was a third team all PA, so their doing good. Plus someone told me they got a good transfer in, but dont really know for sure. As far as their schedule I would believe they put tough games on to make them better this year, and in the future. They lost their big man, but everyone will be back, and most for two years, so I cant wait for the season!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 04, 2009, 08:24:19 PM
New men's team in the CSAC...


The men of the Rosemont Ravens (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?key=/ncaa/ncaa/ncaa+news/ncaa+news+online/2009/division+iii/newly+coed+rosemont+unveils+ravens+identity_09_03_09_ncaa_news).
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: heatlee on October 05, 2009, 09:50:19 PM
Fomer Centenary coach Pat Zipfel has just been named as an assitant coach for the Houston Rockets.  From Hackettstown to Houston he's getting it done.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on October 10, 2009, 08:49:53 PM
Quote from: heatlee on October 05, 2009, 09:50:19 PM
Fomer Centenary coach Pat Zipfel has just been named as an assitant coach for the Houston Rockets.  From Hackettstown to Houston he's getting it done.

Congratulations to a Cabrini guy!  What a guy he is after being a scout as well.  What will happen over at Centenary now?  Hey Heat, Zipf may become a head coach I hope.   All his technical knowledge, experience and life of basketball inside hotel rooms, planes, make him worthy.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 14, 2009, 09:32:18 PM
It's hard to believe that it all starts tomorrow with the first official practice.  Looking forward to another fun year in the CSAC.
Oh and BTW:

GO PHILLIES!!!!!

       ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on October 16, 2009, 09:04:15 AM
Quote from: mailsy on October 14, 2009, 09:32:18 PM
It's hard to believe that it all starts tomorrow with the first official practice.  Looking forward to another fun year in the CSAC.
Oh and BTW:

GO PHILLIES!!!!!

      ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hey Mailsy,

Well said ! !  What will happen with the roster this year? Any big changes in store?
What if any?

at
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 22, 2009, 11:11:57 PM
Did any one notice that GMC got 4 votes in the "others receiving votes category"?   

So CSAC fans how do think the conference will pan out this year.  Is GMC the number 1 team?  Is it Cabrini's year?  Or is it somebody else's year.  What do you think? 

As always,

Mailsy

GO PHILLIES!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach K on November 03, 2009, 05:37:36 PM
If GMC has even half the talent back that they had last year, they will be dynamite! I was at the final against Cabrini, they put up 108 points in their sleep!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on November 05, 2009, 06:05:19 PM
Check out the new roster for the Cavs on their website.   I know the Pensbury center but I am not familiar with the other freshmen.  Anyone else familiar with any of the new guys.  I hope things are going to work out for Marcus with some new blood and new talent.

Surprised to see some faces go but this is now. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 06, 2009, 04:13:52 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on November 05, 2009, 06:05:19 PM
Check out the new roster for the Cavs on their website.   I know the Pensbury center but I am not familiar with the other freshmen.  Anyone else familiar with any of the new guys.  I hope things are going to work out for Marcus with some new blood and new talent.

Surprised to see some faces go but this is now. 

Hey Wolf hope you had a good off season.  I'm looking forward to the start of the season.  Won't probably see my first game until after Turkey Day.  Checked out the roster.  One notable is not back.  GW. ??? A couple of guys who were on DII teams and some size(which is always a good thing).  I'm sure MK has his team ready for the new year.  Only 9 days away.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 12, 2009, 08:57:40 PM
Hello? Anybody there?  ???

Hey we're 3 days away from a new season. 

Who are the playoff teams this year? 
Will Philly Bible win a conference game this year?  If so against who?  Rosemont? 
Does Rosemont go 0-18 in their first year ever?

Just some questions I thought I ask to inspire CSAC fans.  ;D

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 15, 2009, 06:40:23 PM
Congratulations to Marcus Kahn on his 100th career coaching win.  Nice way to start off the season Cabrini!   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 18, 2009, 10:33:58 PM
Cabrini avenges lost last year to Lebanon Valley.  Two games into the season and 2-0.  Is this team going to better than last year? Hope so.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on November 19, 2009, 05:48:15 PM
Quote from: mailsy on November 18, 2009, 10:33:58 PM
Cabrini avenges lost last year to Lebanon Valley.  Two games into the season and 2-0.  Is this team going to better than last year? Hope so.  :)
Not to take anything away from the Cavs win but LVC had a nice group of seniors playing well together last year.  LVC is down a little but it was a nice win for a non-conference game. 

Marcus has the men steering the boat in the right direction it seems at the moment which is a breath of fresh air for the alumni.  Saturday PS Altoona at 2pm will try to make it.   The Cavs seem to be a more balanced team .  It will come down to GMC to win a conference this year.   IU was handled at Widener.  What happened at that game?  How is Centenary doing?


Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on November 23, 2009, 08:01:50 PM
Not much action here. Cabrini playing very well, Centenery has become a scoring machine putting up huge numbers, Keystone a couple of tough losses but looks dangerous in the conference, Gwyned is Gwyned and how about Rosemont at 2-0. Should be an interesting year in the CSAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on November 24, 2009, 09:55:19 PM
The Cyclones have started pretty good this year. After a bad opening game they lost to John Carroll who is number 2 in the country 120-106, but I was at that game they actually cut the lead to 4 before Carroll pulled away. Than they beat a Bard team by 30 getting 100 points again, and tonight they opened up with a nice win against Baptist Bible, putting up 96 points. So, the coach has them going strong, Im looking forward to the year, because they have played a few  freshman, so hopefully its all up from here!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on November 28, 2009, 04:40:20 PM
Congrats to the Cyclones, who just beat the College of New Jersey 97-88!!! Great game to watch, and the fans were really into it. Its good to see a few people coming to the games, and really enjoying the great effort this team is giving. The coaches really have them playing hard, and New Jersey beat Desalles last week!!! So, again great job to the staff, and cant wait for the next game!!! It's quiet out here anymore, is anyone on?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on November 28, 2009, 08:18:05 PM
I'm surprised that more people aren't on this board. There are some early season points of interest that you would think would have posters talking. Cabrini is off to a terrific start having beat Leb Val pretty decisively on the road and Leb Val then beat a top 10 F&M team. Cetenery is averaging over 100 points over it's last 3 against good competition and Rosemont started 2-0. These are interesting early season topics for the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 28, 2009, 10:58:09 PM
Quote from: BRCE4 on November 28, 2009, 08:18:05 PM
I'm surprised that more people aren't on this board. There are some early season points of interest that you would think would have posters talking. Cabrini is off to a terrific start having beat Leb Val pretty decisively on the road and Leb Val then beat a top 10 F&M team. Cetenery is averaging over 100 points over it's last 3 against good competition and Rosemont started 2-0. These are interesting early season topics for the conference.

There seem to be people who visit in as guests but not a lot of people who comment.  Part of it is, I hate to say it, is that many people don't think highly of the CSAC in general.  I for one am a huge fan of Cabrini. I  have only seen one game so far for Cabrini against a 2009 ECAC playoff team in Penn State Altoona.   Cabrini came out tentative(I think first game at home could have had something to do with it) but eventually pulled it out in the end.  I have not seen any other games but have followed the conference.  Intrigued about the victory of LVC over F&M who beat GMC at the end of last week.  Centenary is now averaging 100 points in last 4, but overall are 3-2.  Rosemont.. yeah it's great that they're 2-0.  But really no competition. Penn State-Brandywine and a tough battle against Drew.  This is good for a new program it can give the team some confidence.  Remember Cabrini blasted Drew by 32. (Just saying) and RC hasn't gotten to conference play yet when you can't schedule patsies. We'll see how good they are, or aren't, when they take on Keystone.  GMC and Keystone are both a surprising 1-2 to start the season.  I don't think that will last. This week coming up I think we'll have a better idea of how good or bad teams are.  I think that GMC is still the team to beat, but Cabrini or Keystone could derail that.  The other playoff teams I think will be Centenary, Marywood and Immaculata.  But I don't have a crystal ball and we are only into the early part of the season. 

So maybe this will get some people talking.  On the CSAC as a conference until we have some teams consistently moving through the NCAA's and or winning a NC it will probably remain that way.  The Centennial and the MAC will get more attention.  >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on November 29, 2009, 09:06:24 AM
Mailsy
     Not predicting that Rosemont will be a playoff team just find it interesting that they are 2-0. When you talk about scheduling patsies, I'm sure that is what PS Brandywine and Drew had in mind when they scheduled Rosemont. Centenery is only 3-2 but one of those losses was to number 2 John Carroll in a shootout. There is no denying Cabrini's early success and Gwyned will be fine. Neumann had a 15 point lead at Widener before bowing. All in all, the CSAC is off to a pretty good start and I'm simply surprised that more people aren't posting about their schools. Only a couple of Cabrini fans post, one from Cetenery and as far as I can tell no one from a historically strong Gwyned. I realize these schools don't have large fan bases but I am disappointed that there isn't more interest.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 29, 2009, 09:57:52 PM
QuoteIntrigued about the victory of LVC over F&M who beat GMC at the end of last week.

F&M played flat against both GMC and LVC.
F&M was able to gather themselves for the second half against GMC, but couldn't regain the momentum against LVC after making up the half-time deficit.  F&M has had a history of struggling at LVC.  F&M has a tough game against St. Mary's tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on November 30, 2009, 10:35:50 PM
I think the conference should get some more recognition, because of some good play versus non conference oponents. I only follow Centenary, but have read the coments on Cabrini and others starting out well. As far as the Cyclones they had a bad first game, but since than have played real well. They lost to number 2 John Carroll in a shootout, but had the game within 4 points under ten minutes left in the game. Than they beat a good College of New Jersey team, who had beat number 7 Desalles ,also they are supposed to be  from the top league in New Jersey, and were 4-1 on the year. So, I'm looking for an interesting year from the CSAC!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 30, 2009, 11:25:56 PM
I like the conference.  Still wish there were some of the old teams back that left.  Like the Vern and Eastern.  Could get to those games easier than to go to the nether regions of Pennsyltucky ;D But that's the nature of things in this conference.  Still a competive conference for the most part.  I still would like to see more wins out of conference against some of the ""better"" :P conferences.  Overall still like the makeup of the CSAC.  At Cabrini game.  They looked a lot better than last game.  Cabrini dominated with its height advantage to start the game.  Not much of a game though.  Unfortunately PBU still not up to par.  Game was over at halftime and starters out after 8 minutes in to second half.  Score could have been much worse.

Curious, are there any Keystone fans that would like to give their version of the game against Rosemont?  Was RU better than expected or was the game not as close as the final score?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on December 01, 2009, 09:30:20 AM
Hey you guys?  Be honest, after following these teams for 26 years the conference is weak at the moment due to the reshuffling.   Eastern, Alvernia, Misercordia, Marywood, GMC,Wesley, Arcadia, Allentown (desalles),Lincoln, Neumann were all nightly venues.

There was not a Rosemont, Pbible, IU, Centenary....  I really think this conference took a big hit.  Not to take anything away from the new teams but be honest.  Until someone steps up to the elite 8 or final 4 this conference will never become a national powerhouse.  

It is up to the administrations and missions of the colleges within the scope of the d3 compliance how far the athletic department wants to go to win.  Unfortunately we all know too well how that goes.  The Cavs look good but lots of work for them to do yet.  GMC is not worried, Centenary always works their tails off every game but if they cannot play defense well..........     Keystone always surprises people.   CSAC is not a crap conference but not a powerhouse in the region by far.



Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on December 01, 2009, 03:56:35 PM
While the conference was stronger overall when some of those other teams were members, I am curious as to why they left. With the exception of DeSales, I would n't say that those schools really benefitted by leaving the PAC now CSAC.  Is there really a benefit for the schools that left to be playing some of the same schools under a different conference banner. If for example Eastern is recruiting a kid and Alvernia, Arcadia and other former PAC schools are on the schedule is it really significant to say we belong to the MAC instead of the CSAC. I find it difficult to figure out how they benefitted from leaving for the MAC. Anybody have an explanation?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on December 01, 2009, 06:16:45 PM
Quote from: BRCE4 on December 01, 2009, 03:56:35 PM
While the conference was stronger overall when some of those other teams were members, I am curious as to why they left. With the exception of DeSales, I would n't say that those schools really benefitted by leaving the PAC now CSAC.  Is there really a benefit for the schools that left to be playing some of the same schools under a different conference banner. If for example Eastern is recruiting a kid and Alvernia, Arcadia and other former PAC schools are on the schedule is it really significant to say we belong to the MAC instead of the CSAC. I find it difficult to figure out how they benefitted from leaving for the MAC. Anybody have an explanation?
Brce4........the geographics provide travel and economic benefits to some due to the realignment,  after the shuffle if the conference does not maintain the necessary number of members the automatic qualifier for winning the conference would not apply for the NCAA's.  I agree it sounds like some may not have benefitted by leaving but exposure in different areas is good.  Does seem like in terms of recruits to be a dum move. I thought the PAC was cooked so thank you to these new schools who came in but the commissioners are not making sense for the realignment.     


Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on December 01, 2009, 09:30:26 PM
Wolf I know it probably was unintentional, but I think that was a slight for you to group IU in with those other schools.  Lets not forget out of the teams in this conference only IU and GMC have been to the NCAA tourny in the last 5 years at least.  I'm not saying that deserves national pub, bc this conference is weak.  All I am saying is if you are going to shift some blame to why this conference is considered second rate, by pointing out some weak programs thats fine, but IU isnt one of those and they have already shown that in their short history.  Congrats to the Macs for a solid win against Marywood, hopefully looking for a nice bounce back year while they rebuild with a lot of new faces.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 01, 2009, 11:22:24 PM
Quote from: IUuKno on December 01, 2009, 09:30:26 PM
Wolf I know it probably was unintentional, but I think that was a slight for you to group IU in with those other schools.  Lets not forget out of the teams in this conference only IU and GMC have been to the NCAA tourny in the last 5 years at least.  I'm not saying that deserves national pub, bc this conference is weak.  All I am saying is if you are going to shift some blame to why this conference is considered second rate, by pointing out some weak programs thats fine, but IU isnt one of those and they have already shown that in their short history.  Congrats to the Macs for a solid win against Marywood, hopefully looking for a nice bounce back year while they rebuild with a lot of new faces.

Now we're cooking.  A few conference games and the peasants are getting restless. :D 

IUuKno you are correct about the last five years. Good Point +1.  I don't think, however, it was a slight against IU as it was to the other schools. As you know five years ago IU didn't have men going to the school(during day) much less a men's basketball team.  I believe that's what he was getting at and not that you have a team that is lumped in with the PBU's. (I could be wrong.  Sometimes he means it.)  ;D But the conference was much different five years ago than it is today.  I think IU benefits from the new set up of the league, just as much as I think Cabrini benefits from it.  It was just a different conference years ago with much different rivalries then there are today.  There are still some good rivalries ie. GMC/Cabrini, Cabrini/Neumann GMC/Neumann, IU/GMC.  (Keystone/BBC from their days in the NEAC brought to the CSAC)   Not an offense to any other teams in the conference, but I circle GMC, Neumann and believe it or not, Keystone on the schedule.  Maybe it is just that they are teams from the past (even though with Keystone there are other reasons).  The other teams have been around for a few years now but there isn't that rivalry among schools for me.  That will certainly change as the students graduate from the prospective schools.  The players will remember the game they played in against such and such that did xyz in the game, etc.  When I was going to school(yes, way back in the 20th Century) the rivalries were Eastern, Allentown(DeSalles), Coppin State, St Thomas.  Once in Division 3, the rivalry added Alvernia and other schools and eliminated Coppin State and St Thomas.  It changes as teams leave and get added. 

I understand that these current schools are going to add to the rivalries.  Currently the way the conference is constructed now, I think could go along way in getting the conference stronger and more recognizable if all the schools are committed to making their own programs stronger.  :-X
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on December 02, 2009, 09:25:51 AM
No offense to IU but your program is still too new for me.   I do agree IU had a good stretch and it is becoming a local rivalry but it takes time.  Mailsy said it well.
Hey Mailsy, I think you must be talking about a certain player not with Keystone anymore that did not enjoy visiting the Dixon center.

There were games that were blood for blood back in the days and when I was a student it was more passionate.  So IUuuKno..... from your perspective assuming you are young I complement you for being vested in your school as a fan or student.   When you are part of the scene as you are or were if you graduated it does feel different than remembering and reliving certain games in your mind.

No offense! !   IU is a great thing for the conference.  I rooted for them many times in the playoffs.   If new teams come in I am sure IU would not be part of any negative memories, they are just new to a veteran fan who lived before the PAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on December 03, 2009, 04:06:46 PM
Been reading all your posts about the toughness of the CSAC, & just wanted to make sure that you all remembered what facilitated that league shifting of Alvernia, Arcadia, Misericordia, & Eastern from the PAC, & Manhattanville from the Skyline.  When the Landmark formed they included former MAC members, Drew & Scranton from the Freedom, & Juniata, Moravian, & Susquehanna from the Commonwealth.  Might as well called themselves NEWMAC, but there's already such a beast  :-[.  As a long time MAC Freedom fan, i really do miss Drew & Scranton - still.  However, as a rather impartial observer of the CSAC, i'm impressed with the teams i've seen so far play my Aggies.  Marywood in particular - we play them next Thursday.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on December 03, 2009, 06:50:17 PM
Quote from: kate on December 03, 2009, 04:06:46 PM
Been reading all your posts about the toughness of the CSAC, & just wanted to make sure that you all remembered what facilitated that league shifting of Alvernia, Arcadia, Misericordia, & Eastern from the PAC, & Manhattanville from the Skyline.  When the Landmark formed they included former MAC members, Drew & Scranton from the Freedom, & Juniata, Moravian, & Susquehanna from the Commonwealth.  Might as well called themselves NEWMAC, but there's already such a beast  :-[.  As a long time MAC Freedom fan, i really do miss Drew & Scranton - still.  However, as a rather impartial observer of the CSAC, i'm impressed with the teams i've seen so far play my Aggies.  Marywood in particular - we play them next Thursday.

Hello Kate, your point is encouraging. Seems the MAC gets more respect but for good reason.   I know you like Marywood!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 03, 2009, 11:15:35 PM
Interesting night in the CSAC.  Blowouts by GMC, Neumann and Keystone.  Double digits by Cabrini and a nice 1 point win for Centenary who played great D in the second half and especially at the end to prevent IU from getting a shot to win. 

Two years in a row Cabrini starts out 5-0.  Marywood did a good job on KM tonight. But Dom Farello stepped it up in the second half to lead Cabrini.  It's great to be able to watch all the games on the internet.  :)

One more weekend of conference games and it is off until next year.  I see Saturday's games as Cabrini over BBC and GMC over PBU by a lot.  Keystone over Marywood, IU over Rosemont by double digits and I see a close game with Neumann and Centenery.  I think home team wins in this one.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 07, 2009, 08:43:03 PM
Centenary down 42-30 at half to Rosemont!!  Centenary not shooting well.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 07, 2009, 10:21:29 PM
Rosemont wins their first ever conference game 90-76 over Centenary!!!  ???  :o  What happened to the Cyclones? Tonymnm, any insight?  I saw first half, they shot poorly.  Looks like from the score that they couldn't defend either.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on December 08, 2009, 09:24:50 AM
Quote from: mailsy on December 07, 2009, 10:21:29 PM
Rosemont wins their first ever conference game 90-76 over Centenary!!!  ???  :o  What happened to the Cyclones? Tonymnm, any insight?  I saw first half, they shot poorly.  Looks like from the score that they couldn't defend either.

Congratulations to Rosemont on their first conference win!   Hope it will give you guys some motivation to post.  Wow!   What happened to the Cyclones?  Anyone fill us in out there?   Hey Mailsy,  am I correct in seeing the Cavs in the others category for regional rankings in the MidAtlantic this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on December 08, 2009, 10:48:02 AM
Hey all,

              My Cyclones are struggling!!! They really have been shooting terribly at the line, and from the field. They also are missing Will Atkinson, who is one of their better players, but they have a long break now, and hopefully he will be back. Give credit to Neumann and Rosemont on playing solid games, but I think our coaching staff will get it turned around, and am looking forward to better results after the break!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 08, 2009, 03:24:51 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on December 08, 2009, 09:24:50 AM
Quote from: mailsy on December 07, 2009, 10:21:29 PM
Rosemont wins their first ever conference game 90-76 over Centenary!!!  ???  :o  What happened to the Cyclones? Tonymnm, any insight?  I saw first half, they shot poorly.  Looks like from the score that they couldn't defend either.

Congratulations to Rosemont on their first conference win!   Hope it will give you guys some motivation to post.  Wow!   What happened to the Cyclones?  Anyone fill us in out there?   Hey Mailsy,  am I correct in seeing the Cavs in the others category for regional rankings in the MidAtlantic this year?

I saw that too.  So they either got '5' 25th place votes or '1' 21st place vote or some combination in between.   ;D  That is good to see  but it would be nicer to get them actually in the top 25. 

The Cavs have a tough game next week at Merchant Marine and then a home contest against a Centennial Conference team in Haverford.   Hopefully, their current momentum will continue and this recent break won't effect them too much.   

Quote from: tonymnm on December 08, 2009, 10:48:02 AM
Hey all,

              My Cyclones are struggling!!! They really have been shooting terribly at the line, and from the field. They also are missing Will Atkinson, who is one of their better players, but they have a long break now, and hopefully he will be back. Give credit to Neumann and Rosemont on playing solid games, but I think our coaching staff will get it turned around, and am looking forward to better results after the break!!!

What happened to Will?  Injury?  Hopefully if that is the case he will get better soon.  I always appreciate it when teams have all their best playing.   :)  Hopefully Tony they will turn it around.  But they did play ugly last night.  :(
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 10, 2009, 06:31:23 PM
Wolf,

Did you see that Cabrini now has 18 points in the "others receiving votes category"??  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on December 11, 2009, 05:40:53 PM
Certainly did, up from 5 votes... hoping the next 2 games push them into the respect category if they can stay focused and pull them out.

Mailsy, looking forward to a live action game with you in the stands.  Saw how Gonzaga D1(top25) played a D3 school and the result was a 97-40 game. Kind of interesting  to see what it would be like in our area with a local D1 playing one of our best teams in the CSAC region. 

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 11, 2009, 11:49:12 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on December 11, 2009, 05:40:53 PM
Certainly did, up from 5 votes... hoping the next 2 games push them into the respect category if they can stay focused and pull them out.

Hope so.  A couple of wins this week would go a long way to pushing them higher in the polls.  The key to really know how good they are is when they play GMC on the 11th and Keystone on the 14th in the new year.

Quote from: Wolfpac on December 11, 2009, 05:40:53 PM
Mailsy, looking forward to a live action game with you in the stands.  Saw how Gonzaga D1(top25) played a D3 school and the result was a 97-40 game. Kind of interesting  to see what it would be like in our area with a local D1 playing one of our best teams in the CSAC region. 

Won't ever happen.  Tooo much at stake for a D1 team in this area to play down to a DIII team.  Plus I think they would be afraid to lose.   ;D

Also, I have the 11th penned in to try and make.  Hopefully I'll have recovered by that time to get to the game.  :)


Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on December 14, 2009, 02:47:37 PM
Congratulations to Rosemont's Harrison Carsillo on being selected as conference player of the week.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 24, 2009, 09:01:57 PM
Just wanted to wish all the CSAC fans a Merry Christmas!!!  :)

Mailsy
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 30, 2009, 08:53:20 PM
Unfortunately, Centenary got it handed to them.  Blown out by DeSales 101-64.  I guess Cyclone fans you're happy that 2009 is over?? 

Now we all get to look forward to most teams starting again next week.  Big conference game on Monday with Keystone hosting Cabrini.  I will be watching!   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachM33 on January 01, 2010, 09:55:24 PM
Tony,
What's going on in hackettstown?  I haven't caught any games yet this season, but should have some time to catch up on the cyclones.   Why is Atkinson out?  I was excited for this team before the season started with almost everyone but baker back, but it seems expectations of mine were too high.  I know the non-conference schedule is more difficult, which i agree that it makes you battle tested, and it seems after tomorrows game vs the Red Hawks, we have a nice little homestand to turn things around, but what's the deal?  How are the bigs that enrico brought in?  I know there isn't much size, but is there any athleticism?  I am just going on roster info at this point hopefully I will get to see them soon.  Let me know whats going on...

Anybody any thoughts on Cabrini and Keystone? 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 01, 2010, 10:37:48 PM
Quote from: CoachM33 on January 01, 2010, 09:55:24 PM
Tony,
What's going on in hackettstown?  I haven't caught any games yet this season, but should have some time to catch up on the cyclones.   Why is Atkinson out?  I was excited for this team before the season started with almost everyone but baker back, but it seems expectations of mine were too high.  I know the non-conference schedule is more difficult, which i agree that it makes you battle tested, and it seems after tomorrows game vs the Red Hawks, we have a nice little homestand to turn things around, but what's the deal?  How are the bigs that enrico brought in?  I know there isn't much size, but is there any athleticism?  I am just going on roster info at this point hopefully I will get to see them soon.  Let me know whats going on...

Anybody any thoughts on Cabrini and Keystone? 

Until GMC gets beat by Cabrini or Keystone, they are still the front runner in the conference.  I think either team can give them a run.  I have seen Cabrini play twice live and 2x on internet.  But not Keystone at all.  I think that Monday's game could be a big one for both teams.  More so for Cabrini, because it's on the road.  Cabrini is tough at home.  I wouldn't be surprised if Keystone wins Monday, though.  Cavs have some size this year and some shooters.  This years newcomers have really added a lot to the teams early success.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 04, 2010, 08:54:46 PM
kEVIN MISC......... 45 pts  there  Mailsy.
Shot 16 from 16 from the free throw line.    Cavs won the game on free throws.

LUnger looked good at crunch time for Keystone, was a closer game than score indicates.  

Only 3 undefeated teams now.  GMC/nm/cabrini........

Lots of fouls both teams had their chances... I believe Cavs shot 72% from line and Keystone 61% .......
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 05, 2010, 02:10:55 PM
Hey Mailsy,  the Cavs kept their turnovers pretty low as well.    Waiting on the GMC game in Radnor.  Hope to see you there in the stands.   

NU is looking better this year as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 05, 2010, 02:35:48 PM
Definitely the goal is to be there.  I can start driving again at the end of the week.  So I am going to try and venture out that way.  It is a little bit of a haul these days.  So we will see.  A really nice win for the Cavs.  What a game by Kevin.  :) Lancaster Bible tomorrow.  Then several days to get ready for GMC matchup.  I think Cavs will win since it is at home.  The ladies... I'm not so sure about.  But we'll see.  You never know though.  Happy New Year to all.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 06, 2010, 02:18:46 PM
I saw the recent Massey ratings and looked at the conference as a whole.  Here are the following for the teams:

Cabrini                      786
Neumann                  1149
Keystone                  1165
Gwynedd-Mercy        1235
Immaculata               1236
Centenary                 1283
Rosemont                 1343
Marywood                 1352
Baptist Bible              1464
Philadelphia Bible        1469

So this got to me to look at the conference and the team records as a whole.  It's actually pretty bad.   :-[

Take the teams' records for example overall 39 W's 52 L's WP .429.  Take Cabrini out and it's 31-51 .378.  If you look at the OOC record it's 21-34 .382.  Take Cabrini out at the record is 13-33 winning percentage of .283.  This conference seems to always get a bad rap.  But based on the records you can see why.   ::)  Now I certainly don't have the time to look at the each teams record that everybody has beaten and lost to.  Cabrini's opponent record OOC is 26-25, just over .500.  So the competition that the teams have played goes into these records.  But until this league can consistently win out of conference it will continue to be at the lower end of D3.   :(

That being said.  Conference play starts up in full gear.  Records will change.  But out of conf. play will be minimalized for the rest of the season.  So good luck. 

Certainly feel free to add your CSAC teams Opponents records to agree or disagree.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 06, 2010, 05:41:31 PM
Hey Mailsy,

In the beginning of the year I thought much of the OOC schedule for CSAC was pretty weak.   Many of the top 25 may not need to play our teams.   I do not think the CSAC is like the PAC at all with the exit of Alvernia, EU etc.....

The CSAC is not in anyway close to being even a regional powerhouse.  I hate to dwell on the past, but the truth is that since John Dzik is not part of things the conference as a whole took a  big hit with his reputation for coaching victories against teams the Cavs had no business of beating.   LVC and MMMA are not powerhouses.

Many out there do not care about my opinion of Dzik and dump it off as past history but if you look at all the variables he was one constant when the Cavs were ranked in the top 25 ......GMC is the closest to those days but still not close.  Many youngsters do not understand what an ambassador Dzik was for the conference as a whole.

     
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 06, 2010, 06:05:02 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on January 06, 2010, 05:41:31 PM
Hey Mailsy,

In the beginning of the year I thought much of the OOC schedule for CSAC was pretty weak.   Many of the top 25 may not need to play our teams.   I do not think the CSAC is like the PAC at all with the exit of Alvernia, EU etc.....

The CSAC is not in anyway close to being even a regional powerhouse.  I hate to dwell on the past, but the truth is that since John Dzik is not part of things the conference as a whole took a  big hit with his reputation for coaching victories against teams the Cavs had no business of beating.   LVC and MMMA are not powerhouses.

Many out there do not care about my opinion of Dzik and dump it off as past history but if you look at all the variables he was one constant when the Cavs were ranked in the top 25 ......GMC is the closest to those days but still not close.  Many youngsters do not understand what an ambassador Dzik was for the conference as a whole.

     

Wolf.  I agree with you.  Dzik helped the conference.  But he is no longer a part of the school and the conference.  He has his own school and conference down south to deal with.   So as a conference now what can they do?  The powers that be are the ones who can make the schools and the conference better.  I give credit to schools like GMC that go after a tough non conference schedule.  Cabrini's really is kind of weak.  But having PBU and schools that have just gone coed, makes this conference a weak sister.  Hopefully I'll be proven wrong over the years.  But more has to be done with the other schools.  Not that I don't mind playing a little sisters of the poor.  But how does that help, if you get to the NCAA's and get knocked out in the first round?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 06, 2010, 09:10:56 PM
Mailsy, Well said ! !

Did you check out the Cavs tonight?  New big man on the floor.   Things could get interesting.  Believe he is 6'7 or so.  Check it out ......

Oh yeah they beat up on another weak school for a non-conference game which is a prime example of padding records.   Not to take anything away from the team or coach, just not the level of ooc  competition I was used to seeing.   As a matter of fact, the JV team played tougher schools from Jersey all the time.
Not playing Lincoln, Widener, Cheyney, Gloucester, Camden, Hopkins, I believe Liberty (d1) and Copppin State (d1) or even Millersville/Kutztown anymore.   

Dzik took it to another level.

PS-- not comparing coaching.  MK and staff are building a fine program which will take much time and hard work.  They deserve all the credit in the world.  If the wins at this level start to come easy and they win a round in the tourney with GMC since Alvernia is out it can only help the CSAC.   (sisters of the poor don't count)
 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 06, 2010, 10:52:59 PM
Did not see the game.  Did you go? 6'7"?  Wow.  Came from a D2 school East Stroudsburg.  Looking forward to Monday to see how they compare to GMC. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 07, 2010, 05:49:13 PM
Wolf,

You should go to Cabrini's website. A pretty nice interview about Kevin Misc's record breaking night and his path to Cabrini on a 1060 pod cast.  :)

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/news/2010/1/7/MBB_0107100844.aspx (http://www.cabriniathletics.com/news/2010/1/7/MBB_0107100844.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 07, 2010, 07:40:31 PM
Gwynedd goes down again.  This time to Elizabethtown. 74-68.  What is up with this team this year?  They are 1-6 outside of the conference.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 10, 2010, 02:58:23 PM
Okay this is four in a row now.  I must be all alone on this thread. Is anybody out there???  ;D  Starting tomorrow there are 5 conference games.  Let the fun begin.  All games are DH with the women.  All games are at 8:00pm.  Keystone at Neumann, GMC at Cabrini, Immaculata at PBU, Marywood at BBC and finally Rosemont at Centenary.

Will Rosemont beat Centenary again?  I think Centenary will win this game since it is at home but there is something about this team.  I don't know.  I think Immaculata should have an easy time with PBU,  20+ margin of victory.  Marywood at BBC.  Both these teams are bad.  But BBC because it's home.  Keystone I think will take this over Neumann.  Finally Cabrini over GMC.  Handing GMC their 5th loss in a row.  Just my thoughts.  Maybe a CSAC fan or two will respond. 

I hope to get to the Cabrini game.  But still recovering.  If I can get a ride I'll try and be there.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: BRCE4 on January 10, 2010, 08:51:08 PM
In fairness to GMC they have played a very good OOC schedule. E-town is very good this year. I think the Cabrini game is tough to predict because Gwyned poses some tough match ups. Clearly the 2 best teams in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 11, 2010, 10:42:57 PM
Big win for Cabrini tonight 83-68.  That's GMC's 5th loss in a row. Game was tied at the half and Cabrini ran away with it in the second half. 

Thursday is another big game for Cabrini; hosting Keystone.

Had a chance to watch some of the other games.  Centenary holds off Rosemont by 2.  PBU loses by 20 at home to Immaculata.  Marywood escapes with a win.  BBC made it close hitting several big threes at the end.  But they couldn't get a good shot off to tie it at the end. They lose by 3. 

3 of the 5 games tonight in the CSAC were a basket difference.  Cabrini game was close early in the second half.  Only Immaculata having the easiest night.  A lot of fun tonight.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 11, 2010, 10:57:28 PM
Wow! statement game for the Cavs.   Hogga looked frustrated along with the other Griffins. 

Dom F. worked hard, Cali rebounded strong, Gurloc down low all fed by the star of the game in my opinion------ Cory Lemons.

They could not stop Lemons and they doubled or tripled leaving an open shot or lane to the rim.  Cavs could have scored 15 more if they pressed.  Hard work and a nice win. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on January 12, 2010, 10:58:24 AM
Hey all:

                 Sorry, I have been out of commision for a while, but I am back. As far as the Cyclones year this year, unfortunately its been a struggle. They had a tough non conference schedule, so hopefully that will help them in the league. Had a big win on Rosemont yesterday, after they beat us pretty good at their place. Will came back, but hurt his ankle again, so not sure if he will be back for the next game. He had an achilles tendon surgery, and that is why he is out. The bigs that Rico brought in are pretty athletic, but their freshman, so they are struggling. I will be at the next two home games, so hopefully they will get a streak going!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 14, 2010, 09:57:29 PM
WOW!!!  What a game at the Dixon center. Cabrini pulls this one out.  100-98.  Keystone was on fire from 3 point area early.  At the half they were 9-11 and early in the second half were 11/13.  They finished up 11/16 and 63% from the field overall.  Keystone was up by as many as 11 with less than 5 minutes to go.  However, one of their best players(Tercel Taylor) fouled out with 4 minutes to go.  That was probably the play of the game.  Cavs outscored Keystone 19-6 at end of game.  Cabrini now 6-0 in conference play and 11-1 overall.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 14, 2010, 11:01:25 PM
Battle at the Dixon center with Lemons setting the table.  Kevin Miscev. struggles through game but comes up big with Lemons.  Brandon Carter with some clutch shots and defensive stances.  Fisher, and White defensive pair in the clutch with great defense as well by Lemons who is becoming a force.

Congratulations and thank you to both teams for one great game.  Both teams worked hard ashame someone has to lose the game. 

If the Cavs get a man who can beat Lemons up the floor on the break lookout.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 19, 2010, 12:24:21 PM
Hey Wolf,

Cabrini is the 26th ranked team in D3.   :)  I understand it is still early and they have two games against conference opponents before the next poll comes out.  Mighty Macs(Cavs on the road against on Sat) looked good against Keystone.  Pretty much routed them.  Maybe it is just the match ups.  Neumann handled PBU.  It's a shame that NU doesn't have a video feed.  So Cavs face both teams with just one loss so far in conference. 2 good wins could get them in the top 25?  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 19, 2010, 09:31:31 PM
I think if they win the next 2 games their record cannot be ignored.  The weak out of conf. hurts them, but if you look at the teams in the CSAC like GMC who they beat.....Gmc with a tougher ooc... there is a strong case for getting into the top list.   

I still think they can take it to another level they are only running an open offense I would love to see how Marcus sets them up with Lemons.  If they get a high flying wingman on the break this is their conference.  They need a guy who can throw the ball down into the basket.  The team could use a faster man on the breakout and there are guys who could jump into the role if they decide to go that route.


Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 21, 2010, 02:04:38 PM
Quote from: mailsy on January 19, 2010, 12:24:21 PM
Hey Wolf,

Cabrini is the 26th ranked team in D3.   :)  I understand it is still early and they have two games against conference opponents before the next poll comes out.  Mighty Macs(Cavs on the road against on Sat) looked good against Keystone.  Pretty much routed them.  Maybe it is just the match ups.  Neumann handled PBU.  It's a shame that NU doesn't have a video feed.  So Cavs face both teams with just one loss so far in conference. 2 good wins could get them in the top 25?  :D

Good games on tap at the Dixon Center tonight and for a good cause(malaria & Haiti).  The Knights and Cavs have top records in conference and are a local rivalry.  Should be interesting in getting warmed up for conference battles in the heart of the season.  Looks like it could be a battle of new coaches.
Any predictions???
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 21, 2010, 03:43:21 PM
Women's game will be close.  I think NU will win.  On the men's side....Cavs. 

I really pray the college will be able to get a lot of donations for CRS to help those in West Africa and Haiti.  Won't be able to attend the game.  I'm looking at next Wednesday to go to.  I should be up to driving the distance by then. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 23, 2010, 01:05:07 PM
Good Luck to John Dzik today as he returns to the sidelines as a head coach.  The legendary Cabrini coach will take over the Lady Lions of Piedmont College as they take on Spellman College on Atlanta, GA.  Dzik steps up to the head spot as the Lady Lions coach Jamie Purdy has to step aside for the remainder of the season with pregnancy-related issues.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 23, 2010, 02:38:13 PM
Coach C,

Thanks for that update.  Could he win 17 games this year to get to 500?  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 23, 2010, 05:55:17 PM
Quote from: mailsy on January 23, 2010, 02:38:13 PM
Coach C,

Thanks for that update.  Could he win 17 games this year to get to 500?  ;)

Dzik and the ladies took care of business as did the Cavs at IU.  Cavs could have been up by 30 or more but put some bench in until they needed to have more points. 

Can COACH Dzik get to the magic number??  This counts right?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 23, 2010, 08:44:57 PM
Quote from: Coach C on January 23, 2010, 01:05:07 PM
Dzik steps up to the head spot as the Lady Lions coach Jamie Purdy has to step aside for the remainder of the season with pregnancy-related issues.

Isn't that a HIPAA violation?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2010, 12:06:58 AM
I don't believe Coach C is Purdy's treating physician, so no, he's not bound by HIPAA.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 24, 2010, 09:45:55 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2010, 12:06:58 AM
I don't believe Coach C is Purdy's treating physician, so no, he's not bound by HIPAA.

Thanks Pat I was getting really worried about the legal ramifications on confidentiality and hoping someone had a lawyer on retainer.   
Thanks to D3 hoops, the news travels quickly better than television.  Without D3 hoops us diehards would be in the dark until it already happened.  I think we need to lighten up though and stop being so politically correct.  This is hoops season not politically correct season.

Thank you for D3hoops.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 25, 2010, 10:57:30 PM
Cabrini at Eastern on Wednesday.  Who wins? .....  Now why?  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 26, 2010, 09:52:08 AM
Quote from: mailsy on January 25, 2010, 10:57:30 PM
Cabrini at Eastern on Wednesday.  Who wins? .....  Now why?  :)

Cavs are well-rested; Eagles are down a couple of role players and are coming off a terrible game scoring only 35 pts.

Will the Eagles be angry?  They are at home, but the Cavs are a powerhouse with a good coach who could unleash them on the Eagles if he wishes.  Plus the fact it is a rivalry game....... 

I think it is a pick-em game with a slight advantage to the Cavs.... Hey Chizwiz where are you? Maybe you could give some insight. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on January 26, 2010, 03:03:36 PM
ok wolf u bated me... cavs could have been up 30 or more against IU???  I dont know what game u were watching but IU made a nice run in the 2nd half and even had a short lived 1 point lead with under 8 min to go.  And your coach subbed 5 new guys in bc the starters werent getting it done.  And your cavs didnt expand their lead to double figures until under 3 to go.  IU defended "KM" very well and frustrated him all afternoon.  Lemon's stat line was a bit inflated bc of 8 free throws in the last minute.  Props to Farrello he stepped up hit some timely shots and was their glue all game long.  Im all bout giving credit where credit is due but lets not get carried away. 
  Moving on I would just like to say congrats to the MACS for bouncing back from 2 straight losses to win a close one at home against Nuemann.  Props to Siter and Boyd who have really strung together some solid performances in a row against the top of the league (GMC,Cabrini, Nuemann).  Future is bright for a MACS.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 26, 2010, 06:04:53 PM
Hey IUuKno,

Glad to see you are posting here! !

The Cavs had a terrible game at IU they could have and should buried the Macs but did not due to their own egos which is why the Macs looked good on defense.   The Cavs had them done with a knife in them and the refs were terrible even by your own fans as I heard in the crowd.  They tried to give the game to the Macs and the Cavs tried to lose the game.  The Cavs have alot of talent and athleticism which still has not surfaced, the coach has to restrain them but when he turns them loose they can score over 100 pts easy each night.

I understand your point of view though, the Macs did look like they held them in check and your #24 hit some key shots while our defense down low went on vacation in the last half.  It was a weird game.

Congratulations on defeating the Knights, sounds like one hell of a ride at the end.  I admit the Cavs may not have won by 30 pts but at least 20 if they had their heads in the game.  Again a big if.....

Please post more often, IU has a proud heritage and a good coach.  I do not count them out by any means or discredit their performance against the Cavs but I am just saying the Cavs were outplayed because of their own mishaps and laziness in the second half not a stellar defense by your team.  I would love to have the Cavs play the Macs for the conference title. Your team has class and alot of heart and will be a contender for sure not that they are not already.   I just think the Cavs have more to offer at the moment.

Talk to ya later---Wolf
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 26, 2010, 06:53:12 PM
IuUkno--- or anybody in d3 hoop land...........

Linton, the gaurd on Neumann seems to come down the floor and get jammed up underneath after taking 2 steps then hops to the rim to throw the shot.

Seems like a bunny hop or travel every time down low.  The refs never call it so I guess if you can get away with all the time you take what they give ya!......but I want to know if this is allowed.  The player is 5"10 but when a 6'7 guy does this it is called a walk each time.

Is this 2 step and a hop allowed??  Is this a legal jump stop or what?  Could someone out there please help me understand. I see it in women's ball at the D1 level and is allowed but never in men's action. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on January 26, 2010, 10:36:57 PM
I know this dead horse is begging for mercy, but I must...To suggest that the refs got the MACS back in the game in the 2nd half is plain crazy the cavs attempted 32 free throws to the MACS 19, take away the 10 to 12 that the cavs shot in the last 2 minutes and its just about dead even...the MACS got back into that game the same way any team does they strung together a few stops and shot the lights out during that same time frame (6-13 from 3 in the 2nd half)...
And no i do not think the MACS played great team defense throughout the game, however they did play exceptional defense on the best scorer in the league.  He had to work hard for everything he got, and every shot had a hand in his face, a scorer like that doesnt go 3-13 without some tough defense...The MACS also did a nice job with their soft press after made buckets.  It frustrated the Cavs early on and def helped the MACS keep the game as close as they did.  The Cavs are without a doubt the heavy favorite this year although I would never count out GMC.  Final note about the game on saturday:  very tough atmosphere for both teams, as most 1pm Saturday games are, the gym was dead so Im sure that played a part in the game as well.

As to ur point on traveling...I'd have to see what ur talking about its tough for me to visualize it, however as u might know the more fluent and natural you make something look on the court the less likely a ref is to call it, thats just how it goes and the other side of that is the more awkward u make something look the more likely the ref is to call it. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 27, 2010, 09:35:22 AM
OK IUuKno,

Lets meet in the middle because if I was not a Cavs fan then the next team I would cheer for and follow would be the Macs.

I do know with your VP of institutional advancement Theresa Grentz who I know well, your future is in good hands in building endowments etc.....to get more men into your school.  She loves watching the men play too as she has stated on more than one occasion.

If you know Kevin M.. the leagues leading scorer you would know he is in a funk not because of a box and 1 defense by IU but because he is in a slump and he can shoot the lights out even when face-gaurded.  I will give IU credit with playing an overall good defensive strategy by the coach yet a couple of the big men were yelling at each other as others noted at the game because they were not playing their position well.    This is America you know and you can think you are right and infact you maybe and it will all be exposed in the playoffs.  We just have to wait.    Thx for your response..... I hope IU is staying in the mix and would love to play you guys in the playoffs to see the better team in an objective way.

By the way.... the refs did not cause IU to get back into the game but rather they were calling things on the Cavs because the Cavs were lazy which may have to do with the start time so I agree you are correct about refs but the Cavs did not play near their A game.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 27, 2010, 01:17:15 PM
Quote from: mailsy on January 25, 2010, 10:57:30 PM
Cabrini at Eastern on Wednesday.  Who wins? .....  Now why?  :)

Well let's look at things.  Pros to Eastern:  They are home and there fans will be louder(smaller gym than Cavs and they'll sound a lot louder).  They lost last year, bigger incentive to win this year(they had the game last year in OT.  But GW hit that 3 pointer to send it into a 2OT.) They play in a tougher conference.  Massey has the MAC at 13/CSAC at 50.  They've played a tougher schedule, so far.  EU OWP .537 (T108) OOWP .500(T195) SOS .525 (117).  Cabrini on the other hand OWP .433 (T346) OOWP .462(T368) SOS .443 (T360). 

Cabrini pros:  They are 17-1.  Have beaten everybody to this point except USMMA. (Cavs lost at USMMA, EU lost to them at a neutral sight(edge to Cavs)).  They won it last year.  They want to keep the sign.  CC more talent this year than last year.  Can't say that for EU this year.

If I look at stats the edge should go to Eastern.  If EU keeps score the 60's they have a shot.  Believe Cavs will come out on top with score in mid to upper 70's for Cavs. 

I have to go with my heart, since I am a Cavs fan.  ;D
CC 77
EU 71
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 27, 2010, 01:26:34 PM
Quote from: mailsy on January 27, 2010, 01:17:15 PM
Quote from: mailsy on January 25, 2010, 10:57:30 PM
Cabrini at Eastern on Wednesday.  Who wins? .....  Now why?  :)

Well let's look at things.  Pros to Eastern:  They are home and there fans will be louder(smaller gym than Cavs and they'll sound a lot louder).  They lost last year, bigger incentive to win this year(they had the game last year in OT.  But GW hit that 3 pointer to send it into a 2OT.) They play in a tougher conference.  Massey has the MAC at 13/CSAC at 50.  They've played a tougher schedule, so far.  EU OWP .537 (T108) OOWP .500(T195) SOS .525 (117).  Cabrini on the other hand OWP .433 (T346) OOWP .462(T368) SOS .443 (T360). 

Cabrini pros:  They are 17-1.  Have beaten everybody to this point except USMMA. (Cavs lost at USMMA, EU lost to them at a neutral sight(edge to Cavs)).  They won it last year.  They want to keep the sign.  CC more talent this year than last year.  Can't say that for EU this year.

If I look at stats the edge should go to Eastern.  If EU keeps score the 60's they have a shot.  Believe Cavs will come out on top with score in mid to upper 70's for Cavs. 

I have to go with my heart, since I am a Cavs fan.  ;D
CC 77
EU 71

Hey Mailsy you forgot aobut those distorted speakers, no baseline cushion, and shaky rims.......
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 27, 2010, 01:34:28 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on January 27, 2010, 01:26:34 PM
Quote from: mailsy on January 27, 2010, 01:17:15 PM
Quote from: mailsy on January 25, 2010, 10:57:30 PM
Cabrini at Eastern on Wednesday.  Who wins? .....  Now why?  :)

Well let's look at things.  Pros to Eastern:  They are home and there fans will be louder(smaller gym than Cavs and they'll sound a lot louder).  They lost last year, bigger incentive to win this year(they had the game last year in OT.  But GW hit that 3 pointer to send it into a 2OT.) They play in a tougher conference.  Massey has the MAC at 13/CSAC at 50.  They've played a tougher schedule, so far.  EU OWP .537 (T108) OOWP .500(T195) SOS .525 (117).  Cabrini on the other hand OWP .433 (T346) OOWP .462(T368) SOS .443 (T360). 

Cabrini pros:  They are 17-1.  Have beaten everybody to this point except USMMA. (Cavs lost at USMMA, EU lost to them at a neutral sight(edge to Cavs)).  They won it last year.  They want to keep the sign.  CC more talent this year than last year.  Can't say that for EU this year.

If I look at stats the edge should go to Eastern.  If EU keeps score the 60's they have a shot.  Believe Cavs will come out on top with score in mid to upper 70's for Cavs. 

I have to go with my heart, since I am a Cavs fan.  ;D
CC 77
EU 71

Hey Mailsy you forgot aobut those distorted speakers, no baseline cushion, and shaky rims.......

Shaky rims?  Chairman, did they move this game to Manhattanville to accomodate a bigger crowd?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 27, 2010, 02:51:09 PM
So how many OT this time?  Last year 2.  25 Years ago 6.  So somewhere in between this year?  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chairman on January 28, 2010, 12:27:18 AM
Rims are fine. Only two dunks by opposing teams this year, and they don't get hung on in practice, si they are tight enough. There is new padding on the walls. It is pretty tight, but there is enough space.

Props for a pretty close prediction. 77-71  is really what the game was. Cabrini hit some free throws late to get to 80-71. That's almost scary. Cabrini's SOS dropped again tonight as Lebanon Valley lost to FDU.... FDU's first win of the year.  Not cabrini's fault, sometimes that stuff just happens to you.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 28, 2010, 10:07:13 AM
Hey Mailsy,

You hit it on the head with the prediction.  Hoping to see Kevin M. score his 1000th next.   Since you have some time on your hands these days and you are so good at predictions maybe you could come up with some confernce predictions or a matrix of some sort to sort out the playoffs as the crunch time begins.   
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 29, 2010, 12:51:23 PM
Hey Cavs/CSAC fans.  KYW 1060 interviews Marcus Kahn on a podcast.  Here is the link to the schools website where you can access the podcast:

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/news/2010/1/29/MBB_0129102104.aspx (http://www.cabriniathletics.com/news/2010/1/29/MBB_0129102104.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 29, 2010, 01:05:03 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on January 28, 2010, 10:07:13 AM
Hey Mailsy,

You hit it on the head with the prediction.  Hoping to see Kevin M. score his 1000th next.   Since you have some time on your hands these days and you are so good at predictions maybe you could come up with some confernce predictions or a matrix of some sort to sort out the playoffs as the crunch time begins.   

Thank you.  I almost scared myself with that prediction so I bought a Powerball ticket...but only got 2 numbers :(.   Regarding KM he needs 76 points.  If he averages 38 points a game he could do it at home on the 1st.  If he gets 25.334 a game he could get it at Rosemont, but with his avg he could possibly get it at Neumann on Saturday the 6th.  Maybe I'll go to either Rosemont or NU.  We will see.  I'll at least be able to watch all the games on the web.  Now NU now has a video link for games.  However, picture is to yellow and the sound is not that great.  But we will deal with it.  Becasue now you can watch the game if you can't get to the gym.

Regarding the matrix.  I'll leave that up to a SID at one of the schools. 

I'll discuss playoffs later.  But it seems the top six teams now, are the teams that will make the playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 29, 2010, 01:18:56 PM
Centenary is a trap game, remember what happened at their place last year?
Predictions for this game Mailsy??

Only 2 hrs away if you are hiking up there.  I think if the Cavs win this game it is a big step in grabbing a home game in playoffs since they will have 2 tough games on the road against Neumann and GMC  who they have already beaten at home.  If the Cavs go into those games up in the win column already we could be enjoying things at the Dixon Center.

The team must stay focused though.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 29, 2010, 01:35:47 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on January 29, 2010, 01:18:56 PM
Centenary is a trap game, remember what happened at their place last year?
Predictions for this game Mailsy??

Only 2 hrs away if you are hiking up there.  I think if the Cavs win this game it is a big step in grabbing a home game in playoffs since they will have 2 tough games on the road against Neumann and GMC  who they have already beaten at home.  If the Cavs go into those games up in the win column already we could be enjoying things at the Dixon Center.

The team must stay focused though.

I agree this is a trap game.  I know MK will continue to remind them and not let their record go to their heads.  But remember these are young men with substantial egos, so who knows.  If they play with in themselves and the team concept, I believe they will win.  I'll be watching from home.  The game is 86 minutes away.  Still too much driving.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 30, 2010, 11:17:57 AM
Some interesting games in the CSAC today.  Cabrini has a real "trap" game at Centenary.   Marywood comes south to face Gwynedd. Mighty Macs host BBC.  Rosemont travels to PBU seeking revenge.  Of course, I believe, the biggest game of the day is Neumann traveling to Keystone.

I believe Immaculata and Gwynedd should win comfortably today.  Gwynedd beat Marywood by 22 the last time they faced and that game was on the road. Gwynedd by 20+.  Immaculata is home.  I'm not sure they're going to have the same trouble as they had on the road against BBC earlier in the season. Double digit victoy for the Mighty Macs.  Rosemont is going to have their hands full today.  They are traveling to Langhorne to face PBU who they lost to just 9 days ago at home.  Unless RC underestimated PBU the last time, it could be another tough afternoon.  PBU is 2-2 in their last four which is a good confidence booster for them. I think, however, Rosemont will come out on top by a basket. Cabrini is traveling today.  This game could go to Centenary if Cavs don't come out disciplined early in the game and maintain that throughout.  But I think they should win this by 8-9 points.  Finally the big game. Neumann at Keystone.  KU won on the road just 3 weeks ago by three.  This game is another close one.  Neumann really needs this win more.  Still think, however, that KU comes out on top. 

I will be watching all games on the net.  Good luck to all the teams.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 30, 2010, 08:09:36 PM
Way off today.  Did go 2-3.  Keystone blows out Neumann.  Centenary upsets Cabrini(bringing them back to earth).  PBU wins second conference game in a row. The two games that I predicted as wins were right on Immaculata by 12, but they were up by a lot more and Gwynedd by 21 over Marywood.

Congrats Centenary on a nice win over Cabrini.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 30, 2010, 09:11:40 PM
Way off today.  Did go 2-3.  Keystone blows out Neumann.  Centenary upsets Cabrini(bringing them back to earth).  PBU wins second conference game in a row. The two games that I predicted as wins were right on Immaculata by 12, but they were up by a lot more and Gwynedd by 21 over Marywood.

Congrats Centenary on a nice win over Cabrini.
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Whew! Cavs looked like a bunch of drunken sailors today but is what they needed a wake up call to focus them down the stretch.  Centenary came through and played steady with discipline.

I echo Mailsy.....nice win Centenary you hung strong and won.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 30, 2010, 09:35:42 PM
Guess this CSAC conference will never get a top 25 team since it is the "50th" weakest conference in the nation with some better teams exiting.

The Cavs have impressive W-L numbers but the OOC is weak, and LVC lost to FDU, seems like things are dilluted in the conference.  I realize it is fun but the players are not as intense with the exception of a few on all teams.  Teams like Keystone, Centenary, and Nuemann seem to attack the basket with some taller guys but no beef and potatoes down low posting up like the old days.

Miss the AC (now Desalles), the big EU guys and big Randall Simms ..... where are the big guys going in recruiting these days?  Not the tall thin ones who have a hard time throwing the ball down but the guys built like Brandon Carter but larger who are not in D1 or D11?  Those Randy Reid guys like Dzik brought into the conference...
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 31, 2010, 11:11:13 AM
Quote from: mailsy on January 30, 2010, 08:09:36 PM
Way off today.  Did go 2-3.  Keystone blows out Neumann.  Centenary upsets Cabrini(bringing them back to earth).  PBU wins second conference game in a row. The two games that I predicted as wins were right on Immaculata by 12, but they were up by a lot more and Gwynedd by 21 over Marywood.

Congrats Centenary on a nice win over Cabrini.

Hey Mailsy, I'll take another J. Dzik Lions win over a tough team than the Cavs winning the conference.......(haha)  Maybe he will build a regional powerhouse down there afterall.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on January 31, 2010, 08:13:59 PM
Congratulations to COACH DZIK who pulled off another win with his Lady Lions in the GSAC conference.  That is 3 wins now in a week.  This was a tough opponent for them as well.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 01, 2010, 11:52:09 AM
FYI-- on the d3hoops NEWS section--- "Getting on a Roll"--- nice little snipet about Piedmont men and women vs Maryville with Dzik  mentioned in there. (first part)

Thank you D3 hoops staff for recognizing a feat like that as well as the coach and program.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 01, 2010, 04:26:59 PM
So after that loss on Saturday do you think Cavs come out on fire and blow BBC out or is it another close game and we'll be on edge again?  I'll be watching tonight.  Early game tonight, I see.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 01, 2010, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 01, 2010, 04:26:59 PM
So after that loss on Saturday do you think Cavs come out on fire and blow BBC out or is it another close game and we'll be on edge again?  I'll be watching tonight.  Early game tonight, I see.

Don't know much about the game that was but I am sure Zabel, Robinson, Williams, got some time off the bench.  The bench could have beaten this team with one starter.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 01, 2010, 10:41:35 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 01, 2010, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 01, 2010, 04:26:59 PM
So after that loss on Saturday do you think Cavs come out on fire and blow BBC out or is it another close game and we'll be on edge again?  I'll be watching tonight.  Early game tonight, I see.

Don't know much about the game that was but I am sure Zabel, Robinson, Williams, got some time off the bench.  The bench could have beaten this team with one starter.

Now, now Wolfie.  This team has lost a lot this year to injuries and transfers.  So please be nice.  :(

Thay also played Keystone pretty tough a week ago at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 02, 2010, 10:18:26 AM
 Looks like another trap game for the Cavs who had an easy time with BB and looking ahead to a weather threatened Saturday matchup with Neumann.
Better be careful.....Ryan T. the Coach had Rosemont playing the Cavs tight at the Dixon Center.

Hope the Cavs take it to them to insure a home field advantage later down the road.  Mailsy only 7 games left and nobody has done a matrix.

Where are the SID people in the CSAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 02, 2010, 01:30:53 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 02, 2010, 10:18:26 AM
Hope the Cavs take it to them to insure a home field advantage later down the road.  Mailsy only 7 games left and nobody has done a matrix.

Where are the SID people in the CSAC?


The person who used to do has moved on to the MAC.  So I guess someone else will have to step up.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 03, 2010, 11:36:54 PM
I saw that Cabrini is ranked 3rd in the regional rankings for the Mid Atlantic.  Congratulations! Keep it going Cavs! :) 

What gets me though is that the top three teams have garnered points in the top 25 rankings but aren't in the top 25. (Albright 26th, Cabrini 29th and Lycoming 30th).  The fourth place team, however, in the Mid Atlantic is ranked 15th.  ??? Can anyone explain this?  Is it more because of their reputation?  Or are the regional rankings flawed?  Just curious.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 04, 2010, 09:55:27 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 03, 2010, 11:36:54 PM
I saw that Cabrini is ranked 3rd in the regional rankings for the Mid Atlantic.  Congratulations! Keep it going Cavs! :) 

What gets me though is that the top three teams have garnered points in the top 25 rankings but aren't in the top 25. (Albright 26th, Cabrini 29th and Lycoming 30th).  The fourth place team, however, in the Mid Atlantic is ranked 15th.  ??? Can anyone explain this?  Is it more because of their reputation?  Or are the regional rankings flawed?  Just curious.

The strength of Cabrini's out of conf. is pretty bad.....plus Florham beat LVC.  Who else did they really play? 2 MAC teams thats it UMMA& EU... not that the MAC is really bad.   Regionally their record and the fact they beat EU helps maybe if they beat Centenary they would have been ranked slightly higher but next year they need a stronger schedule if they are going to be serious about competing in the tourney if they gain the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 04, 2010, 11:54:40 AM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 04, 2010, 09:55:27 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 03, 2010, 11:36:54 PM
I saw that Cabrini is ranked 3rd in the regional rankings for the Mid Atlantic.  Congratulations! Keep it going Cavs! :) 

What gets me though is that the top three teams have garnered points in the top 25 rankings but aren't in the top 25. (Albright 26th, Cabrini 29th and Lycoming 30th).  The fourth place team, however, in the Mid Atlantic is ranked 15th.  ??? Can anyone explain this?  Is it more because of their reputation?  Or are the regional rankings flawed?  Just curious.

The strength of Cabrini's out of conf. is pretty bad.....plus Florham beat LVC.  Who else did they really play? 2 MAC teams thats it UMMA& EU... not that the MAC is really bad.   Regionally their record and the fact they beat EU helps maybe if they beat Centenary they would have been ranked slightly higher but next year they need a stronger schedule if they are going to be serious about competing in the tourney if they gain the conference.

That's going to change because Lebanon Valley just beat Lycoming.  But anyway.  I understand Cabrini's SOS is not that strong.  My question is that there are three teams in the MA that are higher ranked in region than the fourth place team in region yet the 4th place team(F&M) is ranked 15th and the top three just garnered votes in the top 25 voting.  So what is more flawed... the top 25 or the regional rankings, or in other words... what is a better indicator? ???
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 04, 2010, 06:08:43 PM
Are the rankings using different methods?  Is one method subjective and the other objective?
If one is objective, what is the criterion used?  In the past, I always thought the regional rankings were more flawed, but that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2010, 06:14:18 PM
The Top 25 polls is voted on by 25 people around the country looking at anything and everything they want to rank the teams. But when it comes to the NCAA, they have regional rankings, that use five criteria: wins and loses IN REGION, Strength of Schedule (OWP x .667 + OOWP x .333), head-to-head, common opponents, and results versus regionally ranked opponents. So... from that you get the first regional rankings and the difference with the Top 25, which again voters use far more information then the regional committees are actually allowed to use.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2010, 06:15:32 PM
Oh, the NCAA doesn't tell the committees which of the five criteria are to be used more then the other... except that it usually comes down to WL in region and SOS... and still, no guidance as to which gets more attention then the other - which the NCAA shouldn't say or we would have an actual formula determining who makes the NCAA tournaments.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 04, 2010, 06:45:07 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2010, 06:15:32 PM
Oh, the NCAA doesn't tell the committees which of the five criteria are to be used more then the other... except that it usually comes down to WL in region and SOS... and still, no guidance as to which gets more attention then the other - which the NCAA shouldn't say or we would have an actual formula determining who makes the NCAA tournaments.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2010, 06:14:18 PM
The Top 25 polls is voted on by 25 people around the country looking at anything and everything they want to rank the teams. But when it comes to the NCAA, they have regional rankings, that use five criteria: wins and loses IN REGION, Strength of Schedule (OWP x .667 + OOWP x .333), head-to-head, common opponents, and results versus regionally ranked opponents. So... from that you get the first regional rankings and the difference with the Top 25, which again voters use far more information then the regional committees are actually allowed to use.

Thank you for the insight. +1k  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 04, 2010, 09:40:30 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2010, 06:14:18 PM
The Top 25 polls is voted on by 25 people around the country looking at anything and everything they want to rank the teams. But when it comes to the NCAA, they have regional rankings, that use five criteria: wins and loses IN REGION, Strength of Schedule (OWP x .667 + OOWP x .333), head-to-head, common opponents, and results versus regionally ranked opponents. So... from that you get the first regional rankings and the difference with the Top 25, which again voters use far more information then the regional committees are actually allowed to use.

Boy, how does a team who has to play more conference games than other teams in other conferences rate? Its not their fault they can't play as many out of conference games.  Do they look at quality of wins and what are quality wins within the confernece? What is the comparative basis and how could you figure a baseline without being slightly biased if you dig deeper into the wins of a weak conference for more variables.  Sounds unfair not very objective especially on a regional basis if it comes down to a whole region after comparison.  How does this work?  Is this the old ivory tower executives who have not coached in years making decisions or coaches without biases?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2010, 09:41:25 PM
You should have tuned in to Hoopsville tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 04, 2010, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2010, 09:41:25 PM
You should have tuned in to Hoopsville tonight!

Unfortunately Pat he was watching the Cabrini game on the net and not listening to the show.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 04, 2010, 09:46:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2010, 09:41:25 PM
You should have tuned in to Hoopsville tonight!

Got ya Pat thx. 

Do not understand comparisions within larger boundaries if the national criteria does not apply to a region in terms of top 25 or tourney selections end up using more criteria or shall I say "whatever they want criteria" like how good a coach is or something.

Do variables like coaches, tradition, upsets, or region category control decisions made on selections if teams cannot be compared after statistical analysis? 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 04, 2010, 09:48:39 PM
Sorry, maybe I should oversimplify the question.

Is the selection political?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2010, 09:52:58 PM
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hoopsville

Archived show. Pick up the Feb. 4 show, that's the first in the archive. The Division III men's basketball national chair was on in the first half hour.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 04, 2010, 10:12:37 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2010, 09:52:58 PM
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hoopsville

Archived show. Pick up the Feb. 4 show, that's the first in the archive. The Division III men's basketball national chair was on in the first half hour.

Got it now Pat, but just wondering what those "incomparable variables" would be after SOS, OWP, head to head, etc...... when number of inconference games differ.  The committee people must be really statistically oriented or are looking at the game at a much higher level to see the differences.
Thank you ....
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 06, 2010, 01:31:23 PM
How bout them second place macs?!? Really good game at alumnea last night even with the snow coming. I honestly have been doubting the team becase of their age and expierence. Disantis is the only mac from the PAC champ team. Starting out with 16 players down to 11 midseason that's tough but these players seem determined to prove me wrong and I'm not complaining. Does anyone see this team acually beating the cavs??
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 06, 2010, 03:06:39 PM
Quote from: hIdeUmm on February 06, 2010, 01:31:23 PM
How bout them second place macs?!? Really good game at alumnea last night even with the snow coming. I honestly have been doubting the team becase of their age and expierence. Disantis is the only mac from the PAC champ team. Starting out with 16 players down to 11 midseason that's tough but these players seem determined to prove me wrong and I'm not complaining. Does anyone see this team acually beating the cavs??

Anything is possible hIdeUmm.  They have a good shot on Thursday.  Cavs play at Neumann Wed. and then host your Mighty Macs the next night.  So it could happen.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 06, 2010, 07:00:31 PM
Piedmont and Coach Dzik win again.   That's 5 in a row. Only 12 more to 500.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 07, 2010, 02:15:09 PM
Now that all the games have been rescheduled (Rosemont/Keystone again), everyone should be well rested for Monday's contests.  Big games Monday.  Marywood looking to win to keep their faint playoff hopes alive at Rosemont.  Neumann at GMC.  Loser could be on the road for the entire playoffs.  Finally Immaculata at Keystone.  This game could be for second place.  Macs have already lost at home to KC 70-57.  If Macs win they'll have a game and half lead over Keystone.  If they lose they'll be back essentially a game and half due to the 2 losses to the Giants.  So it should be a fun Monday night in the CSAC!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 07, 2010, 08:09:52 PM
Immaculata beat keystone at IU 70-57.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 07, 2010, 08:37:58 PM
Quote from: hIdeUmm on February 07, 2010, 08:09:52 PM
Immaculata beat keystone at IU 70-57.

Thanks hIdeUm.  I misread that.  Well that changes things if IU wins they could possibly lock up 2nd.  That would give them really a 2 game lead.  If they lose they would need help for second.  Games KC has left are: Rosemont, @Centenary, @PBU, BBC @GMC.  Possibly 4-1. Macs would have to go 4-0 to tie and then I don't know tiebreakers.  Will still be an interesting Monday night.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 08, 2010, 09:05:15 PM
Nice win for the Mighty Macs beating Keystone in OT.  Macs tied it up with 2 seconds in regulation and then in OT exploded.  Scored back to back threes to take a 6 point lead and Keystone imploded.  Technical fouls on the bench bad shots and not taking care of the ball.  It was a very physical game.  Keystone did not have the "homecourt" advantage in that game.  Nice win Immaculata!! Could possible have locked up second place, still have a chance for first.  Have to beat Cabrini on Thursday. :o
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 08, 2010, 09:55:15 PM
GMC lost on some bad defense, Neumann pulls it out on the line.

So.........Mailsy what does this mean now?   Means IU has a big game with the Cavs at the Dixon Center on Thursday.  Weather permitting of course and the Cavs have Neumann away Weds first if the weather holds.

How are they gonna schedule games if the weather changes for the worse?
Will they play next week or play Sunday games?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 08, 2010, 10:06:52 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 08, 2010, 09:55:15 PM
GMC lost on some bad defense, Neumann pulls it out on the line.

So.........Mailsy what does this mean now?   Means IU has a big game with the Cavs at the Dixon Center on Thursday.  Weather permitting of course and the Cavs have Neumann away Weds first if the weather holds.

How are they gonna schedule games if the weather changes for the worse?
Will they play next week or play Sunday games?
You're right about the defense and then they didn't even get a real shot off to try and tie it.  There are 5 teams in the playoffs..  Centenary is pretty much a lock for the 6th spot, unless they implode.  Rosemont was up double digits on Marywood in the second half(I don't know what is happening because the Rosemont video feed went down).

It will be an interesting week with the back to back games for Cabrini and impending snow.  Thursday's game is going to be a huge game.  If Cavs lose at Neumann than Immaculata game will have 1st place on the line. 

I really don't know how they'll schedule these make up games if it snows.  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 09, 2010, 10:24:38 AM
Cabrini is ranked at number 24 in top 25 poll.   :) We will see if they maintain that thru the rest of the season.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 09, 2010, 05:35:08 PM
Neumann game rescheduled for Feb 20th 3pm, and the playoffs for the conference have been bumped up a couple of days starting the qtrs on the 22nd semi on 24 final 26, the women are starting on the 23rd.

Therefore Mailsy the last game of the season will be at NU with a doubleheader so the Cavs can focus on the Macs tomorrow night.   The Cavs want the conference bad and are going to push hard for the title.   We should be in for a great game Thursday if the weather holds up.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 09, 2010, 07:07:50 PM
I'll be able to attend all those games if I want.  Doc still has not cleared me for work yet.  ???  So I have time on my hands.  :(
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 09, 2010, 09:26:06 PM
Wolf,

Dzik and Piedmont win again.  Only 11 more to 500.  ;)  Next big game is Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 11, 2010, 10:55:32 PM
Cabrini over IU by 3.  Back and forth game.  IU's biggest lead was 9 - Cavs was 5.  Ugly game though.  No points in the first 3 minutes.  Good conference win, though.  Cavs have a 2.5 game lead over IU and KC(beat Centenary by 6).  3 if you count the tiebreaker.(2 wins over both teams).  Four games to go for Cabrini, 3 each for IU and KC.  Keystone might have the edge: They have PBU, BBC(H) and GMC.  Macs have Centenary(H), Rosemont and Neumann.  What do you think?  Who gets 2nd? or does GMC or Neumann sneak in?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 11, 2010, 11:18:28 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 11, 2010, 10:55:32 PM
Cabrini over IU by 3.  Back and forth game.  IU's biggest lead was 9 - Cavs was 5.  Ugly game though.  No points in the first 3 minutes.  Good conference win, though.  Cavs have a 2.5 game lead over IU and KC(beat Centenary by 6).  3 if you count the tiebreaker.(2 wins over both teams).  Four games to go for Cabrini, 3 each for IU and KC.  Keystone might have the edge: They have PBU, BBC(H) and GMC.  Macs have Centenary(H), Rosemont and Neumann.  What do you think?  Who gets 2nd? or does GMC or Neumann sneak in?

Never count out GMC!   I think Keystone chokes against GMC, and Neumann comes out stronger than one thinks in the stretch.   IU will be struggling with GMC and the Cavs have to be sure not beat themselves.   Alumni Saturday coming up for the Cavs men and women in a couple of days.   Should be a good time for Cav fans and if the Cavs take care of business they will have win another  20 win season. Playoffs at the Dixon Center if they stay focused.

The final will be Cavs and Neumann!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 12, 2010, 04:19:16 PM
Full slate in CSAC on Saturday.  Alumni game at Cabrini. Cavs should win this one over Marywood. GMC heads to Rosemont and should win by a lot.  Keystone at PBU.  Keystone by 20+. Neumann at BBC.  Could BBC get their first conference win?  No.  Centenary travels to Immaculata.  This could be a close game.  Centenary already has beaten IU once.  But that was at home.  I don't see them pulling this one out at IU.  IU wins.  

The final week is here.  Centenary needs a win and a loss by Marywood to get into the playoffs.  Who takes the byes? And who gets the home games in the quarters?  Will be a fun week.  ;D

With a win tomorrow Cabrini gets homecourt throughout the playoffs!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 14, 2010, 07:21:22 PM
Does the rest of the Cavs schedule become more meaningful for a tourney game at home?  If they win out somehow, despite the fact that the conference is weak ..... will they be able to get a home game in tournament play just because they have a great record overall?  Could there possibly be a weaker team in another conference with a worse record than the Cavs who would have to come to the Dixon Center or is it automatic that the Cavs will travel the first round again "if" they win the conference?   Anyone know?  For that matter not just the Cavs.... any team who are the CSAC champions will that team travel no matter who they play in the first round or are there weaker teams in the region based on quality wins, SOS, opwp, opopwp, etc.... who could win their conference and visit a CSAC team in the first round?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2010, 08:36:17 PM
  I think the school has to have submitted an application to host a 4-team regional unless it's part of the 3 3-team regionals(61 teams in the field so 3 teams get 1st round byes meaning the other 2 teams in those regionals will play at one of the schools with the winner playing at the bye school in the 2nd round.   
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 14, 2010, 08:51:58 PM
What's the seating capacity at Dixon Center?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 14, 2010, 09:17:34 PM
I checked the D3Hoops site for seating capacity.
These are the results  I found connected to the current regional rankings.
1. Albright 2000
2. Franklin & Marshall 3000
3. Lycoming 2300
4. Cabrini 1200
5. St. Mary's (Md.) 1200
6. Elizabethtown 2400
7. York (Pa.) 2000
8. Alvernia 1500
9. DeSales 1000

The play-offs are a financial endeavor for the NCAA so they want a site where they can make money and allow access to as many fans as possible.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 15, 2010, 08:42:00 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on February 14, 2010, 08:51:58 PM
What's the seating capacity at Dixon Center?

Thank you Ronk and Reserved Seat.
The seating capacity at the Dixon Center is 1200 unless they pull down all seats it can be 1500 plus I am sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 16, 2010, 06:42:52 PM
QuoteCould there possibly be a weaker team in another conference with a worse record than the Cavs who would have to come to the Dixon Center or is it automatic that the Cavs will travel the first round again "if" they win the conference?

Sure.  The Atlantic Region has two conferences without a ranked team - the Skyline and the CUNYAC.  The teams from both are located in and around NYC.  The NCAA has regularly sent a representative from those conferences to someone in the Mid-Atlantic region for the Thursday night game in a three-team pod (St. Joseph's @ DeSales in 2009, John Jay at Moravian in 2008).  That's a manageable drive and gives someone who wouldn't otherwise host a four-team pod the chance to host a tournament game.

Plus, you could get some teams with weaker resumes who win their conferences' AQs.


QuoteThe play-offs are a financial endeavor for the NCAA so they want a site where they can make money and allow access to as many fans as possible.

My perception is that finance is definitely a factor in how the Division III tournament is run, but it's from an expenditure control perspective.  Because the NCAA pays a lot of the post season travel costs, they try to avoid overnight trips and use geographic proximity to design the bracket.  I've never explicitly asked someone involved with the tournament this, but I don't think they generate enough revenue to cover their costs, no matter how large the arena.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 17, 2010, 06:17:06 AM
G-mann,

Thank you for making sense of things.  This means there is still hope for our conference!   The Cavs are getting noticed finally and hoping it helps our conference do well regionally if they can get a championship and win a round.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 17, 2010, 10:17:01 AM
If the MACS win tomorrow night at Neumann and Keystone loses to GMC does that mean the MACS are #2??? the only reason i ask is everytime kstone and IU are tied for the 2nd spot the past week+ kstone is ahead... The MACS beat them twice.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 17, 2010, 12:51:51 PM
Quote from: hIdeUmm on February 17, 2010, 10:17:01 AM
If the MACS win tomorrow night at Neumann and Keystone loses to GMC does that mean the MACS are #2??? the only reason i ask is everytime kstone and IU are tied for the 2nd spot the past week+ kstone is ahead... The MACS beat them twice.


Yes,

The fact that they beat them twice gives them the edge.  Head to head is the first tiebreaker.  So if KC loses to GMC on Thursday and IU wins they are the #2 seed.  But be careful if they lose to NU they "could" fall all the way to "5th" before the end of the season.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 17, 2010, 01:51:12 PM
Yea this is definately a must win... The bye is very important because it could give the macs 4 days "off" and essentially play like a thursday saturday situation in the reg season but its weds friday... Alot at stake and the CSAC always seems to come down to an interesting final week
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 17, 2010, 04:31:55 PM
From my understanding of playoff systems, this is a synopsis of the CSAC for the playoff seeds.

Two spots are locked up: Cabrini has locked up first place at 15-1; worst their record could be is 15-3 with losses to Neumann and Centenary.  Currently they are 7-1 against playoff teams. Centenary is locked in 6th no matter what they do on Thursday.

Keystone is 13-4, 5-6 with one game left at GMC.  With win or a loss by IU they lock up second. 
Immaculata is 12-5, 4-5 with one game left at NU. IU needs to win to lock up 3rd.  Will get second with a win and a loss by Keystone. Will get a home game no matter what happens (because of 2 wins against KC). (I know what I said earlier but when I looked at it more carefully I don't see them falling any further than 4th).
Neumann currently 4th is 11-5 with 2 games left (Cabrini and IU @ home). Currently they are 2-6 against playoff teams. If they win both, they are 13-5 overall and 4-6 against playoff teams.  The best they can finish is 3rd. Even with 2 losses they can finish 4th if GMC loses to KC or BBC. Could fall to 5th with two losses.
Gwynedd Mercy is currently 5th at 10-6, 4-5 with 2 games remaining (Both at home, Keystone and BBC).  Can get 4th with 2 wins and 2 Neumann losses.  With a loss they finish 5th because they lost the head to head against NU.

Hope this helps some lost CSAC soul who was wondering how the seeds would be for 2010.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 17, 2010, 06:03:03 PM
Hey Mailsy, my soul feels much relieved.

Congratulations to Cory Lemons 6th in nation for turnover assist ratio!  Big stat if you know hoops.  He is also student athlete of the week.

Congratulations to Kevin Miscevious for scoring his 1000th Cabrini point and his 2000 yes 2000th point in his collegiate career....not bad for a kid who was cut and did not play high school ball.  

Robinson and Carter starting to get hot as well.  Team is feeling good I hear but they just have to take care of business in the playoffs.

See you tomorrow night for Senior Night vs Centenary at 7pm at the Dixon center since I have to work Saturday with my brother in-law doing siding.  Have to pay those bills and pay for gas to get to those playoff games!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 17, 2010, 06:22:04 PM
I want Cavs to get on a real roll into playoffs. They need to handle Centenary easily at home and beat Neumann on the road.  They've moved down in the regional rankings to fifth because of the conference.  I want them to win 4 more games to get to the NCAA's.  This team sometimes forgets that you have to play 40 minutes of basketball to win games.  They could have beaten Gwynedd by a lot more than the 7 they did win by.  They sometimes get lazy. They can't play this way if they want to win the conference.  They are the best team in the conference this year, but they have to play to their potential if they want to win the conference and the automatic bid.  If they lose in CSAC playoffs they will be sitting out the big dance. Hopefully Marcus can keep them level headed and on the right path. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 17, 2010, 07:46:33 PM
Never fear,  Marcus is handling it well.   Neumann is hot!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 17, 2010, 08:50:48 PM
In the Landmark thread they're talking about preseason coaches polls.  I just thought I'd throw in the CSAC's coaches poll

2009-2010 CSAC Men's Basketball Totals

Institution  (First Place Votes)                     Points
Gwynedd-Mercy College  (9)                          99
Cabrini College                                            86
Keystone College                                         84
Marywood University                                     61
Centenary College                                        58
Immaculata University                                   46
Baptist Bible College                                     44
Neumann University                                      42
Rosemont College                                         15
Philadelphia Biblical University                         15

Website never states who got the other 1st place vote.   

Based on this preseason poll it was close.  Neumann "overachieved" (made the playoffs) and Marywood "underachieved"  and Baptist Bible was just bad this year.

So who gets coach, player and rookie of the year?  ROY: Cory Lemons,  POY and COY I'm not sure yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 18, 2010, 10:15:19 PM
Wow! Some final second wins.

Buzzer beater by Lemons for the Cavs at last seconds for the win!
Hogga wins it for GMC!   Mailsy better figure out these seeds now.

Cavs vs who on Weds.  and what if they beat NU?

Cavs had a perfect home floor season.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 19, 2010, 12:14:38 AM
Cabrini is still #1 and will host Wednesday 2/24/10.  Keystone lost, however, they are now the second seed (Immaculata lost at Neumann) and will also host a semi.  Neumann is guaranteed a home playoff game no matter what they do Saturday against Cabrini.  If they win they become the 3rd seed.  If they lose they are fourth.  Gwynedd I believe is now the 5th seed no matter what happens Saturday.  They will travel to either Neumann or Immaculata.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 19, 2010, 08:47:16 PM
If you are interested.  Here is the last second buzzer beater by Cabrini's Cory Lemons against Centenary on Thursday night.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2009/12/08/buzzer-beater-watch.html (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2009/12/08/buzzer-beater-watch.html)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 19, 2010, 10:14:32 PM
NICE SUGGESTION ....... Mailsy.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 20, 2010, 07:42:15 PM
Cavs men and women sweep at Neumann.  Refs sure did not make it easy for them.  3 yes 3 offensive charge calls on the Cavs as they were bringing the ball up the court in the last minute.  Unbeleivable.   Still the Cavs beat the refs and the Knights.

Hey Mailsy.....who plays who now?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 20, 2010, 07:53:56 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 20, 2010, 07:42:15 PM
Cavs men and women sweep at Neumann.  Refs sure did not make it easy for them.  3 yes 3 offensive charge calls on the Cavs as they were bringing the ball up the court in the last minute.  Unbelievable.   Still the Cavs beat the refs and the Knights.

Hey Mailsy.....who plays who now?

Monday 2/22/10
#6 Centenary at #3 Immaculata (CC beat IU 2X)
#5 Gwynedd at #4 Neumann (NU beat GMC 2X)

Wednesday 2/24/10
Lowest seed at #1 Cabrini
Highest seed at #2 Keystone

Just some interesting thoughts here.  Centenary only team to beat Cabrini and if they beat the Macs again they get to cause the Cavs trouble again.
Gwynedd wants to see Cabrini again.  Though Neumann has given Cabrini more challenges and they have beaten Gwynedd twice.

Certainly Keystone may or may not want to see IU again. IU knocked the Giants off twice. Maybe get a little revenge.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 21, 2010, 11:07:07 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 20, 2010, 07:53:56 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 20, 2010, 07:42:15 PM
Cavs men and women sweep at Neumann.  Refs sure did not make it easy for them.  3 yes 3 offensive charge calls on the Cavs as they were bringing the ball up the court in the last minute.  Unbelievable.   Still the Cavs beat the refs and the Knights.

Hey Mailsy.....who plays who now?

Monday 2/22/10
#6 Centenary at #3 Immaculata (CC beat IU 2X)
#5 Gwynedd at #4 Neumann (NU beat GMC 2X)

Wednesday 2/24/10
Lowest seed at #1 Cabrini
Highest seed at #2 Keystone

Just some interesting thoughts here.  Centenary only team to beat Cabrini and if they beat the Macs again they get to cause the Cavs trouble again.
Gwynedd wants to see Cabrini again.  Though Neumann has given Cabrini more challenges and they have beaten Gwynedd twice.

Certainly Keystone may or may not want to see IU again. IU knocked the Giants off twice. Maybe get a little revenge.

Just saw that Neumann is now the 3rd seed and Immaculata is the 4th seed.  I'm not sure how that tiebreaker worked.   :o Record - they're even.  Conference record - even.  Head to head they're even.  Against the playoff teams IU is 4-6 whereas NU is 3-7.  IU beat the second seed twice when NU lost to them 2X.  The only thing I can see is that IU lost to the lowest seed twice.  But that makes no sense.   ???
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 21, 2010, 11:10:58 PM
Congratulations to Cabrini's Coach Marcus Kahn, COY, Kevin Misevicius, POY, Cory Lemons, ROY and Chris Blake the Sportsmanship Award.  Both Kevin and Corey were first team all conference.  Also congrats to Dom Farello for earning second team honors.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: tonymnm on February 22, 2010, 09:23:46 AM
Good luck to my Cyclones, and all the teams that made the playoffs. We shall see what happens with the Cyclones they seem to play better against good competition this year, so I hope for the best in the playoffs. No matter what two years in a row making the playoffs is a good start for the programs new coaches!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 22, 2010, 09:43:40 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 21, 2010, 11:07:07 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 20, 2010, 07:53:56 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 20, 2010, 07:42:15 PM
Cavs men and women sweep at Neumann.  Refs sure did not make it easy for them.  3 yes 3 offensive charge calls on the Cavs as they were bringing the ball up the court in the last minute.  Unbelievable.   Still the Cavs beat the refs and the Knights.

Hey Mailsy.....who plays who now?

Monday 2/22/10
#6 Centenary at #3 Immaculata (CC beat IU 2X)
#5 Gwynedd at #4 Neumann (NU beat GMC 2X)

Wednesday 2/24/10
Lowest seed at #1 Cabrini
Highest seed at #2 Keystone

Just some interesting thoughts here.  Centenary only team to beat Cabrini and if they beat the Macs again they get to cause the Cavs trouble again.
Gwynedd wants to see Cabrini again.  Though Neumann has given Cabrini more challenges and they have beaten Gwynedd twice.

Certainly Keystone may or may not want to see IU again. IU knocked the Giants off twice. Maybe get a little revenge.

Just saw that Neumann is now the 3rd seed and Immaculata is the 4th seed.  I'm not sure how that tiebreaker worked.   :o Record - they're even.  Conference record - even.  Head to head they're even.  Against the playoff teams IU is 4-6 whereas NU is 3-7.  IU beat the second seed twice when NU lost to them 2X.  The only thing I can see is that IU lost to the lowest seed twice.  But that makes no sense.   ???

In the old days of the PAC, if the head-to-head tiebreaker didn't apply, you went to record against higher-seeded teams, starting at the top.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 22, 2010, 12:14:35 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 22, 2010, 09:43:40 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 21, 2010, 11:07:07 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 20, 2010, 07:53:56 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 20, 2010, 07:42:15 PM
Cavs men and women sweep at Neumann.  Refs sure did not make it easy for them.  3 yes 3 offensive charge calls on the Cavs as they were bringing the ball up the court in the last minute.  Unbelievable.   Still the Cavs beat the refs and the Knights.

Hey Mailsy.....who plays who now?

Monday 2/22/10
#6 Centenary at #3 Immaculata (CC beat IU 2X)
#5 Gwynedd at #4 Neumann (NU beat GMC 2X)

Wednesday 2/24/10
Lowest seed at #1 Cabrini
Highest seed at #2 Keystone

Just some interesting thoughts here.  Centenary only team to beat Cabrini and if they beat the Macs again they get to cause the Cavs trouble again.
Gwynedd wants to see Cabrini again.  Though Neumann has given Cabrini more challenges and they have beaten Gwynedd twice.

Certainly Keystone may or may not want to see IU again. IU knocked the Giants off twice. Maybe get a little revenge.

Just saw that Neumann is now the 3rd seed and Immaculata is the 4th seed.  I'm not sure how that tiebreaker worked.   :o Record - they're even.  Conference record - even.  Head to head they're even.  Against the playoff teams IU is 4-6 whereas NU is 3-7.  IU beat the second seed twice when NU lost to them 2X.  The only thing I can see is that IU lost to the lowest seed twice.  But that makes no sense.   ???

In the old days of the PAC, if the head-to-head tiebreaker didn't apply, you went to record against higher-seeded teams, starting at the top.
I see my mistake.  :-[ Actually Neumann is 5-5 against playoff teams and IU is 4-6.  So that must be the next tiebreaker, before record against higher seeded teams.  Now I see why Neumann is the higher seed.  Oops!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 22, 2010, 07:39:04 PM
Half time scores Gwynedd leads 47-39 over Immaculata and Centenary leads Neumann 49-41.
How about that; home teams trail by 8.  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: hIdeUmm on February 22, 2010, 07:54:25 PM
is there video for that game @ neumann
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 22, 2010, 08:16:51 PM
Quote from: hIdeUmm on February 22, 2010, 07:54:25 PM
is there video for that game @ neumann

Can't find it.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 22, 2010, 08:26:28 PM
Neumann up 8 with 3:13 to go.

Neumann up 7 with 2:41 to go.

IU 76-72 5:10

78-71 Neumann 0:43 and the ball

Neumann wins 81-75. Now will travel to Keystone.

IU up by 5 with the ball and less than 2 minutes to go.

IU wins 87-82.  Will travel to Cabrini.

Both home teams win after being down at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 22, 2010, 08:52:51 PM
All right Mailsy,  how hard is it to beat a team 3 times in a season?
Well the odds are certainly against the Cavs no matter who they play.

Should be a loud one on Weds.  Backyard rivals.  How do the Cavs match up?
Looks like a Neumann ---Cabrini final to me if the Cavs take care of business.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 22, 2010, 09:02:07 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 22, 2010, 08:52:51 PM
All right Mailsy,  how hard is it to beat a team 3 times in a season?
Well the odds are certainly against the Cavs no matter who they play.

Should be a loud one on Weds.  Backyard rivals.  How do the Cavs match up?
Looks like a Neumann ---Cabrini final to me if the Cavs take care of business.

I'm not sure about that one.  Cavs have made me nervous this year.  They've made it more difficult, I believe, than they have had to.  IU has played Cabrini strong, so we will see and Neumann last time they played at Keystone they got blown out by 30 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 23, 2010, 11:01:39 AM
Cabrini now ranked 21st.  Just behind F&M.  Let's hope they play like a top 25 team this week.  :o
Tomorrow regional rankings come out. Will they move down again?  :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 23, 2010, 01:35:26 PM
Cabrini should be and I say should be blowing out teams but they end up winning.  Perhaps the coaching staff will turn them loose in the playoffs.  They could put up close to 100 points on any given night but have been letting teams stick around.   

IU should give them some competition but the Cavs better take it to the next level they are capable of playing as I have seen them in the past.  I know they have a great game plan for tomorrow as well.  Will be interesting to see if Chadwin adjusts or just allows them to slow down the game, hold the ball, shoot threes and grab rebounds all night.

The Cavs will be rebounding, running and scoring if they play their system.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 24, 2010, 12:52:33 PM
Semifinals tonight!!  ;D Neumann travels to Keystone to try and avenge a 30 point blow out three plus weeks ago.  I don't see it.  Yes NU played them well at home, but lost.  Maybe it was that emotional loss 5 days earlier to Immaculata.  I just don't see a victory for Neumann. Keystone will make the finals. I will be attending the IU-Cabrini game with a healthy dose of lacrosse before hand.  I see Cabrini winning it in another close one over IU. Good luck to all teams and stay healthy.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 24, 2010, 01:28:22 PM
Neumann is a different team.  If they play the fundamentals and shoot well they can go head to head with Keystone.  I think the difference will be the long ride.

Keystone has 2 big guys attacking the basket down low which Neumann can adjust to but the other three guys can light up the board with 3's unless NU face gaurds them and manages to defend well down low at the same time.

Will be close but the game should go to Keystone, I believe NU will win some how though.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 24, 2010, 10:20:59 PM
CAvs & NU at the Dix.

CSAC championship  Friday at 7 p.m 

CAvs need to keep those gaurd out of the low baseline with  a good defensive plan and if they cannot penetrate the game could be a blowout for the CAvs.

I do not believe NU can keep up with the outside game except for one or two players which the CAvs can handle unless they get lazy.  The ball does not lie so we shall see what happens. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 25, 2010, 08:50:51 AM
Sorry game at the Dix on Friday the time is yet to be determined due to weather issues.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 25, 2010, 12:03:16 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 25, 2010, 08:50:51 AM
Sorry game at the Dix on Friday the time is yet to be determined due to weather issues.


Remember it still is early.  We will have to see what the weather brings.  Don't worry I'm sure whatever time the game is we will probably get there.   ;D

Cabrini pretty much dominated the game.  Close game?  Yeah in the first few minutes and then Cabrini goes on a run and the game is pretty much over.  Surprised by Neumann beating Keystone.  Both teams probably remembered the game three weeks ago.  It seems someone else took NU for granted.   :-[ Should be a fun Final at the Dixon Center.

GO CAVS!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: IUuKno on February 25, 2010, 01:51:33 PM
Shout out to the MAC's, although the season did not end on a high note, they still accomplished some good things this year and with a young nucleus there is no doubt they will be right back in the mix next season.  Congrats to the seniors Desantis and Watson.  Good Luck to both teams in the final and to the winner...know that the road does not end here...go get a few more wins and some attention for urselves and the league.  Until next yr gentlemen...
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 25, 2010, 02:33:02 PM
Hey IuuKno......

Like Siter, Boyd, Torres, and Peters off the bench.   Alot of young guys with one senior leaving and  a good coach in Chadwin----nothing to be ashamed of just the Cavs even surprised their own this year. Your team beat everyone else as well just  not deep yet.  The Macs are classy and their fans are not too obnoxious.  The women play well too!  Wish they would beat NU or GMC.

Hope the Cavs if they win the championship do more than one round with their record they should be capable of something special on paper which will help the conference as whole as you say.  If it is up to Theresa Grentz (Shank) your VP up there.... your Mighty Macs will be in good hands for a long time.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 25, 2010, 04:06:03 PM
Was just on the conference website. Because of the weather they won't be making a final decision on the game until noon.  Fortunately they can do that since Neumann is in close proximity to Cabrini.  If the game is not played the alternative time is Sunday at 2:00pm.  There supposedly is a high school basketball tournament at Cabrini on Saturday that necessitates the game to be moved to Sunday if the game is postponed Friday night.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 26, 2010, 05:21:48 PM
Heading out to the game.  I believe Cabrini should win this.  It might be close, but I still see it as a Cabrini win and the automatic bid to the tourney.

GO CAVS!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 26, 2010, 10:28:58 PM
Cabrini wins!!  ;D I hope they will be close to home for the tourney.    :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 27, 2010, 11:52:46 AM
Hey Wolf do you think Dzik can pull this win out?  It would be kind of interesting if he takes his new team(even though it's women) to the tourney when his old team (Cabrini) also makes it to the dance for the first time in 8 years, wouldn't it?  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 28, 2010, 02:19:09 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 27, 2010, 11:52:46 AM
Hey Wolf do you think Dzik can pull this win out?  It would be kind of interesting if he takes his new team(even though it's women) to the tourney when his old team (Cabrini) also makes it to the dance for the first time in 8 years, wouldn't it?  :)

Not quite for Coach Dzik ......cannot get any closer though.     The Cavs are hoping for more than  a first round lose in the tourney.  It is possible with their record to get a game at home I would think.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 28, 2010, 02:26:47 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 28, 2010, 02:19:09 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 27, 2010, 11:52:46 AM
Hey Wolf do you think Dzik can pull this win out?  It would be kind of interesting if he takes his new team(even though it's women) to the tourney when his old team (Cabrini) also makes it to the dance for the first time in 8 years, wouldn't it?  :)

Not quite for Coach Dzik ......cannot get any closer though.     The Cavs are hoping for more than  a first round lose in the tourney.  It is possible with their record to get a game at home I would think.

Looking at what D3hoops has.  Not likely.  Cavs will be traveling one way or the other.  Just hope it's not what D3 predicts.  :(  Would like to be closer.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 28, 2010, 03:01:21 PM
Heading to Ashland Va 4hrs 35 minutes down in the center of the universe....but their record is 23-5 ours is 25-2 never know.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 28, 2010, 05:11:46 PM
Hey Mailsy did you ever see the teams in the ODAC play?  Well  3 or 4 in the conference will probably be playing in the tourney.  They can shoot have depth and big guys who are not stiffs......

RMC lost to the Quakers so maybe we will get a home game.  Rather play RMC than another team from their conference.  Seems like each guy can hit the three and all can rebound.  The Cavs will have a tough matchup but the rims are all still 10 ft high so don't count them out yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on March 01, 2010, 05:43:42 PM
How is RMC?  I know they have a big guy #54 and a small gaurd that buried 5 of 6 consecutively vs Guilford but after he cooled off their defense looked like they struggled. Granted they are in one strong conference playing against a final 4 team with a 6'10 dude who could play. They may have a tough time if they have to put the ball on the floor the whole game but the Cavs need the big men to step up down low as well.

Anyone know if there will be enough seats at Albright for Cav fans that make the trip?   Game time is set for 6 pm.

The start time kills me on a Friday so hopefully I can make it.... but on Saturday if the Cavs are playing I will be there.  I know of a few others as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 01, 2010, 06:15:25 PM
Albright seats about 2400, but from my previous experience, parking is tough to find.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 01, 2010, 08:56:12 PM
Now I see why Cabrini is going to Albright.  They are ranked 3rd regionally.  Otherwise they'd be making the trip to King's Point.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on March 01, 2010, 09:40:34 PM
Quote from: mailsy on March 01, 2010, 08:56:12 PM
Now I see why Cabrini is going to Albright.  They are ranked 3rd regionally.  Otherwise they'd be making the trip to King's Point.

Thx Reserved Seat......parking sucks I guess.   At least Marcus Kahn is no stranger to Albright college.  Hope that helps us if we somehow win round one and play on Saturday.    Hey Mailsy may not make it Friday unless something changes but definite for Saturday if they play.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on March 02, 2010, 09:42:56 PM
If anyone going to see the Cavs tickets on sale at Dixon Center check Cabrini website they expect a sellout so hurry.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on March 03, 2010, 08:31:33 AM
Greetings to CSAC posters from Ashland, VA -- we'll have a smaller, but very energetic crowd on hand.

Can anyone share any parking tips-- we will not even have time to check into our hotels so could use some inside info to make the tipoff.

Thanks in advance and best of luck to all competing at Albright this weekend!

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 03, 2010, 07:02:44 PM
Quote from: 2RMCFans on March 03, 2010, 08:31:33 AM
Greetings to CSAC posters from Ashland, VA -- we'll have a smaller, but very energetic crowd on hand.

Can anyone share any parking tips-- we will not even have time to check into our hotels so could use some inside info to make the tipoff.

Thanks in advance and best of luck to all competing at Albright this weekend!



Parking I hear is very "tight" in other words; not great.  Get there early if you want to park or you could be walking a long way to the gym.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on March 03, 2010, 07:24:10 PM
I heard the parking got better than 2005.

Are you good to go now Mailsy..........better be.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on March 04, 2010, 10:43:40 AM
OK PREDICTIONS......



Albright will take care of Clark.
RMC & the Cavs..........RMC should win on paper but the Cavs could fool them with their gaurds if the 3's work as well.  Would not be surprised if Cabrini takes it but would not be surprised if RMC wins either. Close one to call, home field could go to Cabrini as well.  Cavs score in the 80's they may win with defense.
RMC scores in the 80's the Cavs will be on the line and the game is up for grabs.

2nd rd......I believe Albright goes down and the winner is off to NJ or NY. 

Question is how will the refs call it?   Will there be contact and less fouls or more fouls with less contact?   Game may be won on the line.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on March 05, 2010, 10:50:39 AM
It looks like Cabrini-RMC could be one of the real gems of the first round. Should be a barnburner in Reading -- good luck to the Cavs.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 05, 2010, 01:20:58 PM
Quote from: r.w. mcnickels on March 05, 2010, 10:50:39 AM
It looks like Cabrini-RMC could be one of the real gems of the first round. Should be a barnburner in Reading -- good luck to the Cavs.

Thanks rw it is going to be a fun night watching these two teams play.  I'm looking forward to a W for the Cavs.   Let's hope so, anyway.  But I feel good.  Tonight's going to be a good night.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 05, 2010, 01:21:38 PM
A great article on Cabrini and Chris Blake on the blogs.  :)

http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2010/03/05/insider-the-four-best-years/
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on March 05, 2010, 11:30:44 PM
Chris Blake a class act....


Tonight Cabrini got  E X P O S E D

The ball does not lie........ the weak S O S  and playing in the weakest conference does not add up to the level of competition in the tourney like a  RMC team from the ODAC !   

What is the tuition down there?  The Cavs need lots of recruiting with big not only tall but big men for the middle and some guys who can hit the cotton and swing the ball.  A point gaurd cannot do it all.  Need a deeper bench and hit the weight room.  Those flags in the Dixon Center for FINAL 32 and Sweet  16 got there from legendary coaching and hard work on the hardwood not luck.  The Cavs have to play more games at this level to learn how to win in the tourney.
Playing a weak LVC, Drew, and EU is not going to cut it even if it gives a team a fluffy record.

RMC is good granted, but Cabrini played terrible.  I will still support the Cavs but they have a long way to go to become a regional or national powerhouse unless they get more support from their administration.    Cannot figure the coaching strategy out last night either for a 1-3-1 defense but I am not a coach so it does not matter.  Cannot blame the refs.....seems like they did not play their game and got intimidated. Perhaps they needed to go to their bench earlier.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chairman on March 06, 2010, 09:28:47 AM
Wolf-

We saw this coming. It's hard to blame Cabrini for SOS when 18 of 25 are already picked for you as conference games. We were looking at the SOS and we came to the realization that Cabrini's top RPI win was across the street in St. Davids. That was a nice win against an EU team that battled in the Freedom Conference, but after that it's Keystone and Drew and an LVC team that didn't make the league playoffs in the Commonwelath.

That being said, they won the games on their schedule. A couple years ago they weren't doing that. They have to hope that the top of the CSAC comes up a little so that those games are more preparation for regional level competition. Congrats to the players who have grown with the program there.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on March 06, 2010, 10:02:24 AM
Thx Chairman for being objective, just hope the fans realize how the conference as a whole does not facilitate a regional or national level of competition for competing in the NCAA tournament. Wishing they were in the MAC ! !

I echoe the sentiments though, even after blowing off steam I must commend them for their hard work, battles during rivalry games, as well as a nice record.

Thank you all at Cabrini for a nice season and for getting to the tourney.
Cannot believe Patterson lost already, looks like MMA is still our best shot.
Hope our conference can recruit some big boys who can bang the boards to improve the quality of inside play and open up those long 3 pt shots. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 07, 2010, 01:37:54 PM
Merchant Marines played a respectful game, but F&M was too athletic for them.
F&M's poor foul shooting kept the game close.  F&M missed 13 foul shots and numerous front ends of one and one.
The Merchant Marines were very disciplined and never lost their composure. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 16, 2010, 09:59:48 PM
I've finally recovered from the beating Cabrini took to one of the final four teams, RMC(and maybe even NCs?).  The Cavs had a great year.  Congrats to Coach Kahn for receiving the Philly area small college COY.  Also congrats to Kevin Misevicius for receiving 1st team all region (and he's playing in the first D3 allstar game) and to Corey Lemons for ROY.   
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on September 11, 2010, 09:52:46 PM
Time heals..... looks like d3 hoops and this new partnership are positive thing for D111 wish we had this level of promotion earlier.  Hey Pat can you telll us more about it later please?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on September 16, 2010, 09:11:00 PM
Know its getting near that time but any news out there on recruits?   Any D1, D2 athletes coming over to D3 or in the CSAC?    Anybody out there? ? ?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 17, 2010, 01:47:18 AM
Wolfpac -- I can. We'll definitely say more about this.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on September 23, 2010, 04:48:18 PM
Cabrini could be a top 25 school if they continue from last year.  Looking forward to the Cavs.  Hope some positive changes and shuffling puts them over the hump with a nice big recruit.   Looking forward to John Dzik tomorrow heading into the HOF at Cabrini.

Congratulations to Coach Dzik overdue and appropriate celebration is past due to you, enjoy the moment Cav alumni.  The man put the area on the map.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on September 24, 2010, 10:44:37 AM
WolfPac,
I'm still not convinced that you aren't John Dzik.

Regardless, please tell him that Lefty says congratulations on his Hall of Fame induction.

Classy move by the folks at Cabrini to make him the only inductee.  How'd you like to be the poor guy who had to go after Dzik?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on September 25, 2010, 10:59:28 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on September 24, 2010, 10:44:37 AM
WolfPac,
I'm still not convinced that you aren't John Dzik.

Regardless, please tell him that Lefty says congratulations on his Hall of Fame induction.

Classy move by the folks at Cabrini to make him the only inductee.  How'd you like to be the poor guy who had to go after Dzik?

Lefty,

I know WolfPac...  I know John Dzik... and WolfPac is..no John Dzik!  ;D

It was a fun night had by all at the Dixon Center last night.  Congratulations to Coach Dzik.!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on September 30, 2010, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on September 24, 2010, 10:44:37 AM
WolfPac,
I'm still not convinced that you aren't John Dzik.

Regardless, please tell him that Lefty says congratulations on his Hall of Fame induction.

Classy move by the folks at Cabrini to make him the only inductee.  How'd you like to be the poor guy who had to go after Dzik?

Would be a tough act to follow, in sort of in his own league....

Did I see you there, I saw your  coach and John mentioned him----- a great guy present at the table to the right.  Mighty nice of him to come as well.     Class act


Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on September 30, 2010, 08:47:12 PM
Watch it Mailsy.........  your drinking too much wine on the job.



Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on September 30, 2010, 11:15:48 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on September 30, 2010, 08:47:12 PM
Watch it Mailsy.........  your drinking too much wine on the job.


Aw c'mon.  ;) All in jest.  Just think tomorrow it's 2 weeks 'til practice starts.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on October 02, 2010, 08:57:11 PM
Quote from: mailsy on September 30, 2010, 11:15:48 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on September 30, 2010, 08:47:12 PM
Watch it Mailsy.........  your drinking too much wine on the job.


Aw c'mon.  ;) All in jest.  Just think tomorrow it's 2 weeks 'til practice starts.  :)

Its cool. Chill...I believe Cavs have taken to the hardwood already before official practice. Hope this is a good sign.  Hoping for a recruit or two as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on October 03, 2010, 09:34:25 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on September 30, 2010, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on September 24, 2010, 10:44:37 AM
WolfPac,
I'm still not convinced that you aren't John Dzik.

Regardless, please tell him that Lefty says congratulations on his Hall of Fame induction.

Classy move by the folks at Cabrini to make him the only inductee.  How'd you like to be the poor guy who had to go after Dzik?

Would be a tough act to follow, in sort of in his own league....

Did I see you there, I saw your  coach and John mentioned him----- a great guy present at the table to the right.  Mighty nice of him to come as well.     Class act


I was not in attendance.  Former Misericordia head coach Dave Martin was there.  He was on the wrong end of several of Coach Dzik's victories.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on October 10, 2010, 03:56:47 PM
Lefty, Dave Martin is a class act....John Dzik acknowledged him as well.  Hope the new season is filled with excitement, and a couple of record breakers ......

Good luck and do me a favor, beat EU... Please.  LOL>>
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 28, 2010, 11:09:16 PM
Down to 18 days 'til the season starts for the Cavs.  I see they are ranked 32nd with 32 votes in the top 25.  I know they are bringing a lot back.  Yes, they did lose their leading scorer from last year.  Where do you see those points coming from?  Any thoughts Wolf?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 05, 2010, 11:49:32 PM
Cabrini's 2010-11 roster is up.  An interesting addition to the roster among the freshmen is John Boyd transferring from IU. How about that!!! :o
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on November 06, 2010, 03:44:10 PM
Quote from: mailsy on November 05, 2010, 11:49:32 PM
Cabrini's 2010-11 roster is up.  An interesting addition to the roster among the freshmen is John Boyd transferring from IU. How about that!!! :o

No comment, he is a warrior have seen him he wants to win.   Sat next to him in the CSAC final in the Dixon center while he watched, looked like he wanted to jump out and play.  He is intense.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on November 06, 2010, 03:47:53 PM
Quote from: mailsy on October 28, 2010, 11:09:16 PM
Down to 18 days 'til the season starts for the Cavs.  I see they are ranked 32nd with 32 votes in the top 25.  I know they are bringing a lot back.  Yes, they did lose their leading scorer from last year.  Where do you see those points coming from?  Any thoughts Wolf?

Since they are the only team in this immediate area  to have played the top team in the nation almost "the champs" RMC they probably got a little residual from the coaches who vote.......their record as well even though they had a tough time.  I think the Cavs were nervous that game and it could have been closer if they slowed the game down. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on November 08, 2010, 08:28:11 PM
Mailsy,  "other Points" will have to come from shooting point gaurds, and Zabel has a shot assuming he will be in alot more this year.   Dom will have to strong and Carter will be alot stronger this year.    Who knows with Boyd yet he could be  a surprise and a couple of others at the gaurd positions will step up.  May have some depth if the new blood can play into the system right away.   Wait and see.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 13, 2010, 10:56:39 AM
Three days 'til the start of the opening game. Wolf are you going? The game is at 8:00pm.  I plan on attending and enjoying  ;) a win for the Cavaliers over the Fords.  ;D  What about you?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on November 13, 2010, 09:03:25 PM
Quote from: mailsy on November 13, 2010, 10:56:39 AM
Three days 'til the start of the opening game. Wolf are you going? The game is at 8:00pm.  I plan on attending and enjoying  ;) a win for the Cavaliers over the Fords.  ;D  What about you?

Looking forward to the new season......@Mailsy...will be tough for me until end of year with work schedule but will try.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 14, 2010, 01:04:20 AM
Quote from: Wolfpac on November 13, 2010, 09:03:25 PM
Quote from: mailsy on November 13, 2010, 10:56:39 AM
Three days 'til the start of the opening game. Wolf are you going? The game is at 8:00pm.  I plan on attending and enjoying  ;) a win for the Cavaliers over the Fords.  ;D  What about you?

Looking forward to the new season......@Mailsy...will be tough for me until end of year with work schedule but will try.

Congrats on number 200.  You're now a "starter."
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on November 17, 2010, 10:04:51 PM
I must set forth a challenge or precedent to be established for the CSAC champions at the end of the year whoever may accomplish the feat........

Could the champions of our conference please win a first round in the NCAA tournament so the CSAC gets some credibility.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 18, 2010, 12:23:13 AM
Quote from: Wolfpac on November 17, 2010, 10:04:51 PM
I must set forth a challenge or precedent to be established for the CSAC champions at the end of the year whoever may accomplish the feat........

Could the champions of our conference please win a first round in the NCAA tournament so the CSAC gets some credibility.

Wolf in 2008-09 season GMC won the conference and got to the second round.  You just want Cabrini to win one.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on November 19, 2010, 05:01:08 PM
Mailsy, I believe that year they also had an overwhelming group with so much talent and also had D1 guys transfer in as well.   They had height, athleticism etc....and in my opinion bailed out too early...  They should have gone further so I do not count that season.   

Where as the Cavs came out of nowhere with a transfer KM and a relatively new coach after several and despite a weak schedule won their games and had no business winning against RMC anyway so this year I was hoping for some team in the CSAC to shine in the tourney.    Thought Keystone or Centenary would step it up this year and pull off a round which could add depth for our conference .......sick of bowing out due to the level of competition.  ?So    someone has to take it to the next level, like Alvernia did to get to the final 4 and the Cavs to the sweet 16 or something, things are getting stale in the playoffs, you win a conference then automatically eliminated.  The athletes work very hard and deserve more but SOS and seedings make it tough I guess.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on November 30, 2010, 09:33:41 AM
Cavs lose their first, but good news only by 4 on road and without Lemons playing.
Perhaps the Cavs need a 3pt shooter on the floor more often in crunch time as well ? ?

No Kevin Mis..... shows and no Lemons .....teams have been doubling up on Lemons and the other guys need to spread the floor more for him.  Too congested when doubled up.  Other guys on the floor have to make it happen like Carter does down low off bench.   Dom is already a workhorse, he cannot do it all, Boyd needs to get in the groove soon, AJ Williams needs to relax more down low on fast break.  If the Cavs get things ironed out with the return of the big man who also played his first minutes off an injury they could be in good shape to head to the playoffs.  Get Zabel in the mix, and take care of the ball.  Turnovers kill.   
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on December 29, 2010, 09:20:29 PM
Tough one in York tonight,  up by 3 at the half, then a couple of 3's tie in first minute of second half.......then the adjustments came on Boyd who finished with 31pts  and  the rest was history.  A couple of rookie mistakes technicals sealed the deal, and York shot great from the line.  Cavs without Dom F. who did not make the trip.

 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on January 11, 2011, 08:19:23 AM
It was a great basketball night for tiny Rosemont College, not only did the women pull out an OT win over the DVC Aggies, but the guys also won beating Centenary.  Congratulations to both teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 22, 2011, 06:52:14 PM
Nice win by the Cavaliers.  Centenary led at the half and the game was back and forth Centenary's biggest lead in the second half was 8(45-37) .  Cabrini went in press mode midway through the second half.  With Centenary leading 56-52 at the 8:30 minute mark; Cabrini went on a 21-0 run over the next 5:19 and out scored Centenary 31-7 to end the game.  Way to finish them off Cavs.  Next up Neumann.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 28, 2011, 08:14:06 PM
The annual battle of Eagle Road is coming up on Monday night.  After EU plays @ DeSales and CC plays at Philly Bible the 30 year plus battle continues at the Dixon Center.  It will be one of those epic Eastern-Cabrini Battles.  Cabrini has owned the street sign for the last 2 years.  Will Eastern take the sign back or will Cabrini defend its turf?  Good luck to both teams Saturday.  ;D

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 28, 2011, 08:16:33 PM
Good luck to Cabrini's Dom Farello who is only 17 points away from 1000 career points. 

Remember Dom the points will come. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chairman on January 29, 2011, 11:11:10 AM
That's amazing. It feels like Farrello has scored 900 of those against Eastern in the past two seasons.
The Battle should be very interesting this year as the two teams play very different styles. Hope both teams keep their winning streaks going into Monday. It's also good to see the athletic departments working together to do some good with the food drive. Should make for a good event.

More info on the food drive at http://goeasterneagles.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1913&Itemid=1 (http://goeasterneagles.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1913&Itemid=1)

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 29, 2011, 09:09:07 PM
Congratulations to Dom Farello of Cabrini.  He got his 1000 point today in the win over Philly Bible!!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 29, 2011, 09:13:10 PM
Quote from: chairman on January 29, 2011, 11:11:10 AM
That's amazing. It feels like Farrello has scored 900 of those against Eastern in the past two seasons.
The Battle should be very interesting this year as the two teams play very different styles. Hope both teams keep their winning streaks going into Monday. It's also good to see the athletic departments working together to do some good with the food drive. Should make for a good event.

More info on the food drive at http://goeasterneagles.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1913&Itemid=1 (http://goeasterneagles.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1913&Itemid=1)



You are right.  It is nice to see the two departments work together on this food drive.  So bring a can!!!

Certainly not to be out done by an Eagle here's the Cabrini link to the food drive:http://www.cabriniathletics.com/news/2011/1/24/GEN_0124111742.aspx?path=gen (http://www.cabriniathletics.com/news/2011/1/24/GEN_0124111742.aspx?path=gen)   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 01, 2011, 01:44:34 AM
Nice out of conference win for the Cavaliers.  I'll have more on the game and my thoughts later in the day.  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chairman on February 01, 2011, 01:07:33 PM
Congrats to Cabrini. They were ready from the jump and Farrello is well on his way to his next 1000. The Eagles were outplayed in all facets. That is the first game this year that Eastern has been wiped out, all their other losses have been one or two possessions down the stretch.

If Cabrini shoots like they did last night for the rest of the year, they will be very difficult to beat.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 01, 2011, 11:48:31 PM
A couple of things I noticed about the "Battle of Eagle Road."  It was a close game but only because it seemed the referees in the first half didn't want to see the game become a blow out(That is the homer in me).  The second half was all Cabrini.  Up 29 with 8 minutes to go, the game was pretty much over.  Eastern really had no answer for the Cavaliers.  Which will lead me to something later that might actually annoy some people.  It was really nice to have a big crowd and see the students come out and see a victory for Cabrini.  I wish, though, they would come out more to the games to see their fellow classmates, who work extremely hard for themselves and the school they represent.   I do know that there are a lot of things that students have to do and are distracted by.  But it is your school.  Come out and support it.  It's not the same when you graduate.  The chanting was funny, some of it inappropriate, but still funny nonetheless.  Only one time (which is more than enough) did the game get cancelled held up, because one student got a little overzealous.  Security did a great job of getting things back under control.  

Now for something I rarely, if ever do.  It is something I am somewhat reluctant to do.  It is something that I have noticed but haven't said anything.  I have always supported the sports teams and will continue to do so.  These kids work way to hard to not get the recognition.  I am probably going to ruffle some feathers. I know that.  People for the most part know whom I am and they do read my posts.  I have not been encouraged to say anything by anyone person, just my observations as someone who goes to a lot of games.  I know that some people might take this the wrong way.  

I do talk to the players and the parents and the coaches, that is just who I am.  I like getting to know them and talk to them when I get to the games.  So before I start getting from the outside world that I don't know what's going on all the time with the team and I'm not there at the practices, yada yada yada....  I do understand that. It might be out of place.  I have no ill will towards anyone and I don't favor anyone.  I know the kid's father probably doesn't want to see this out of concern for his son but look, this is just my opinion as an outside observer.  There is player on the team, who busts his hump for the coach. Never, seems to say anything bad about anyone for that matter.  Does pretty much everything is asked of him, has some talent and he has been with the team for a while. So why is it that he only sees 3 minutes in such a big rivalry game when the game was out of hand at the 8+ minute mark?  Did he do something wrong?  I don't know.  Does the coach already know what he has with him and he wants to see other players?  I don't know.  It's just my opinion, (and we know what they are like). But why not put him in the game at the 8-minute mark when Cabrini is up by 29 points?  I think he deserves more after 3 years.  I don't know if this is going to change anyone's mind.  It might not. This may affect me.  But look it is about these young men.  I will still root for the team, the players and the coaches.  Again this is just one's opinion.  I might be wrong after all. :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:15:26 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpack55 on February 02, 2011, 10:22:32 PM
Let's just give the coaching staff at Cabrini a a break...8 straight wins and a conference championship and a bid to Nationals.  It looks like this Kahn guy knows what he is doing and has a winning track record everywhere he has been to back it up.  Might want to support him before a DII or DI program swoops him up and you are starting over.  If you are not in the admin or give enough money to be heard then just enjoy watching wins and do not be a dickwad-snatch.  Go Cavs!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2011, 12:13:29 AM
Welcome to the board.

We just call it the NCAA Tournament here in the NCAA. The NAIA refers to a "National" tournament to differentiate from its district tournament, but here in the NCAA there's only one tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 03, 2011, 12:22:53 AM
Quote from: Wolfpack55 on February 02, 2011, 10:22:32 PM
Let's just give the coaching staff at Cabrini a a break...8 straight wins and a conference championship and a bid to Nationals.  It looks like this Kahn guy knows what he is doing and has a winning track record everywhere he has been to back it up.  Might want to support him before a DII or DI program swoops him up and you are starting over.  If you are not in the admin or give enough money to be heard then just enjoy watching wins and do not be a dickwad-snatch.  Go Cavs!!!

Welcome to the board Wolfpack55.  Wow!! What an entry to the boards. I didn't say I didn't think he was doing a good job.  I like what he's doing.  They are winning games.  But do you believe that it is all about winning?  Winning is definitely an important aspect of building a program.  But it is also about these young men wanting to continue to be there.  It was just a curious observation, I made about what happened.  You obviously disagreed.  Fair enough.  But the name calling not a really good way of starting out here.  You can disagree all you want but the name calling? Please.  Grow up.  Also what does it matter how much I give to the college or not give to the college?  If I'm in the administration or not?  But I do go to the games and I enjoy the games.   I even go to away games to cheer them on.   Also; Do you give? Are you in the admin?  Do you go to the games?  I don't really give a flying hoot.   I obviously struck a nerve with you.   I'm giving you a smite for the childish name calling. ;D

Anyway, again welcome.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2011, 12:30:01 AM
Hmm -- guess I didn't read all the way to the end of the post.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 03, 2011, 12:37:42 AM
That's great!  Three CSAC teams in the MA regional rankings.  Cabrini - 5, Keystone - 6, and Gwynedd Mercy at #8.  Congratulations to the CSAC.  That will change however, next week.  These rankings were through the weekend, I gather, based on the records.  #8 GMC blew out #6 Keystone Monday night and that will probably change the ranking for next week.  Then they'll change again when the Cavs play at GMC on the 7th.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 03, 2011, 05:44:33 PM
It all comes down to the coaches decision Mailsy. One is entitled to voice one's concern as a diehard Cav person  without others being immature with their comments.

Whether or not a player is in the game is irrelevant from a coaches standpoint unless it is a strategic move to create a mismatch or use one's athleticism to create an advantage on the court.   #15  may have earned his right for some more time on the floor, but parents, fans, and administrators have no influence on the coach's decision whether one wants to believe this or not. (not academic matters)  I understand if you are an alum where you are coming from with your heart when you know a player, I have been there but have become calloused to these situations since it normally does not change anything. Usually makes one feel a bit awkward in the long run.  However I respect you for voicing your opinion, you got some balls there ! ! !
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 03, 2011, 05:55:19 PM
Quote from: Wolfpack55 on February 02, 2011, 10:22:32 PM
Let's just give the coaching staff at Cabrini a a break...8 straight wins and a conference championship and a bid to Nationals.  It looks like this Kahn guy knows what he is doing and has a winning track record everywhere he has been to back it up.  Might want to support him before a DII or DI program swoops him up and you are starting over.  If you are not in the admin or give enough money to be heard then just enjoy watching wins and do not be a dickwad-snatch.  Go Cavs!!!

John Dzik had the winningest program in D3 until administration took over wp55!  I think you are missing something.  Also the Cavs played some real teams compared to the teams of today.  On paper the Cavs look great but they will have to win in the tournament before a coach is elevated to a legend.  Also if you take one or two players away from the team....how deep are they really?  If you think Cabrini is a national powerhouse you are dreaming unless they get some committed administration.   I am hoping they are headed in the right direction but still have a long way to go so do not get a big head.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2011, 10:16:42 PM
Quote from: Wolfpack55 on February 05, 2011, 08:19:37 PM
What a bunch of xxxx.  

I did not call anyone a name, I simply made a post.  Don't be so sensative.  Pretend this is like my Twitter and you are privilaged to read it.  

Well, you did just there.

Your Twitter isn't subject to our Terms of Service and between the d***wad and the r***rd so far you're 0-for-2 in making appropriate posts.

By the way, I'm hardly an NAIA supporter -- I think that is what your misinformed hack of a post suggested. That would be a first -- I've been accused of a lot of things in running D3hoops for 14 years but that isn't one of them.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 05, 2011, 10:54:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2011, 10:16:42 PM
Quote from: Wolfpack55 on February 05, 2011, 08:19:37 PM
What a bunch of xxxx

I did not call anyone a name, I simply made a post.  Don't be so sensative.  Pretend this is like my Twitter and you are privilaged to read it. 

Well, you did just there.

Your Twitter isn't subject to our Terms of Service and between the d***wad and the r***rd so far you're 0-for-2 in making appropriate posts.

By the way, I'm hardly an NAIA supporter -- I think that is what your misinformed hack of a post suggested. That would be a first -- I've been accused of a lot of things in running D3hoops for 14 years but that isn't one of them.

Thank you Pat.  I began to respond when I had to take a call.  Came back and the post was deleted.  Same point I was going to make.  Again thanks!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 05, 2011, 10:56:20 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 05, 2011, 10:54:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2011, 10:16:42 PM
Quote from: Wolfpack55 on February 05, 2011, 08:19:37 PM
What a bunch of xxxx

I did not call anyone a name, I simply made a post.  Don't be so sensative.  Pretend this is like my Twitter and you are privilaged to read it. 

Well, you did just there.

Your Twitter isn't subject to our Terms of Service and between the d***wad and the r***rd so far you're 0-for-2 in making appropriate posts.

By the way, I'm hardly an NAIA supporter -- I think that is what your misinformed hack of a post suggested. That would be a first -- I've been accused of a lot of things in running D3hoops for 14 years but that isn't one of them.

Thank you Pat.  I began to respond when I had to take a call.  Came back and the post was deleted.  Same point I was going to make.  Again thanks!  :)
Not that you need any extra karma Pat, but +1.  No need to be dropping r-words.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 05, 2011, 11:31:01 PM
Y'all need to settle down here an behave.  Cabrini is playing well now, but they are by no means back to being among the teams discussed at a national level.  There are few people here who respect the program and its players and coaches more than me, but Wolfpac55 is putting the cart before the horse.   People who speak and behave like Wolfpack55 are just not part of the D3hoops community.  Please go back wherever you came from.

When this team and staff wins a couple of NCAA games, then MAYBE it's time to start talking about the next job.  Right now, that is still on the horizon.

These kids and coaches and administrators have done a great deal to restore luster to a program ruined by the firing of a great man, the disenfranchisement of the alumni and the inept leadership of the post-Dzik era.  Now it's time for them to take the next step.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 07, 2011, 07:22:38 PM
Hey Coach C.  Hope you are well.
Wow, exact sentiment as I see it as well with Cabrini.  They have done some positive things considering how ugly the past became, but they have not proven they can win anything but a weak conference title.  I am believing they are heading in the right direction, but with the budget and admn it will be tough with this economy.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 08, 2011, 10:50:05 AM
In light of the above.... must congratulate the Cavs on a big win last night.
Dom Farrello career stats and all played team ball it seemed.  Hoping the Cavs will lock up home field advantage for the conference playoffs and win out.   
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 08, 2011, 06:17:51 PM
Good win for the Cavs!!  :)  Dom was outstanding.  He was all over the place and Corey Lemmons really pushed the O., as usual.  Definitely a different perspective sitting right behind the bench at the Griffin Center.  Cavs up 2 games.  They have Rosemont, Marywood, BBC and Neumann.  Revenge game on Saturday.  I don't see the Pacers walking out with a win, especially with it being the alumni game and a lot of alums being at the game.  So Neumann game could be meaningless to outcome of playoff seeding.  So far Cavs, GMC and Keystone are in.  KC needs a loss by GMC and some additional help to get to the second seed.  Neumann, Macs and Pacers fighting for 4,5,and 6 spots. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpack55 on February 09, 2011, 10:34:22 PM
Mailsy/Wolfpac...do you guys have a life?  I mean do you realize it is basically you two clowns on here with some regulation from Mr. Pat Coleman.  You can not stop talking about this Coach Diek guy.  He is gone.  He works somewhere else.  Get over it.  He will not coach at Cabrini again. 

If you are a fan why do you care how weak the conference is?  You are a joke.  You don't support kids.  You just get on here to see what each other writes.  Losers.

Stop wasting your own time and get a clue.  Live in the now.  Read a book.  Not one about basketball, that will only make things worse.  You make it sounds like the War on Poverty went through Wayne and Coach Dixk lost and that this sucked the blood out of you both and you are not able to recover.

Stop talking out of both sides of your mouth and grow up.  Really, you are not kids anymore.  I  will avoid calling anyone a dickwad-snatch, as I have learned from the error in my ways.  Just stop internet humping each other and hating on the Cavs.  Good luck to Cabrini!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 11, 2011, 07:18:45 AM
Wolfpac55 - you are really a classy guy.  These 2 guys come on here with passion for the team and program, say good things about the kids who are being successful and you rip them? 

You're pathetic.  I mean who's the loser?  These guys, or you, who crawl out from under your rock to throw uninformed jabs and make ridiculous statements.  I'll giv you a hint since you seem to need one:  it isn't them.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 11, 2011, 11:18:17 PM
WP55.  You are the one that seems to have the problem.   ??? Yes, it seems to be a serious problem.

Again with the name calling.  Are you like 10 years old? This is what got you lambasted by the other posters the first go around. 

Do you go to the games?  Because I'm there.  If I didn't support the kids, as you so weakly posted, I wouldn't be at the games in the first place and wouldn't even take the time to be putting any updates on this website.  I know you have only been around for a limited amount of  time, but go back and read my posts.  Many a post congratulates players and their accomplishments, how well the team plays, etc.  99% of my posts are on the positive side.   I make one opinion that you disagreed with and you crawled out from under something and got all in a snit.  ::)  I turn negative when individuals like yourself show any lack of class.  You want to insist on acting like a child, maybe you should be treated like one.  Seen but not heard  :D  So just go away.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 12, 2011, 10:50:06 AM
Besides being a chance for the Cavs to clinch the number 1 seed in the CSAC, it is also Alumni day at the Dixon Center.  It will be fun to catch up with former coaches, players and friends at the event.  Also, looking forward to the after game party.  See you there!!  :)

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 12, 2011, 01:48:04 PM
Oh yeah.......Go CAVS.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 13, 2011, 09:13:29 AM
Cavs and alumni have given me something to believe in !   Hoping for a win out and nice things in the playoffs, then a seed other than a national champion contender in the first round.   

A wonderful day at the Dixon center and will remember how J Dzik announced how Marcus Kahn has restored Cabrini basketball to what it was......Thank you Marcus.

Cavs are back on track, hoping to support them at home during the playoffs, they deserve our support.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2011, 11:14:36 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 11, 2011, 11:18:17 PM
WP55.  You are the one that seems to have the problem.   ??? Yes, it seems to be a serious problem.

Again with the name calling.  Are you like 10 years old? This is what got you lambasted by the other posters the first go around. 

Do you go to the games?  Because I'm there.  If I didn't support the kids, as you so weakly posted, I wouldn't be at the games in the first place and wouldn't even take the time to be putting any updates on this website.  I know you have only been around for a limited amount of  time, but go back and read my posts.  Many a post congratulates players and their accomplishments, how well the team plays, etc.  99% of my posts are on the positive side.   I make one opinion that you disagreed with and you crawled out from under something and got all in a snit.  ::)  I turn negative when individuals like yourself show any lack of class.  You want to insist on acting like a child, maybe you should be treated like one.  Seen but not heard  :D  So just go away.

I think I am more likely to see him at a game than you are.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 14, 2011, 09:49:15 AM
Pat it is time for fun now!  Waiting on the regional rankings.  Then the tourney seedings!  (of course after the Pool A's)

Just hoping the Cabrini Cavaliers can get a conference title and a win somehow in the first round.  Would really help the conference's credibility if a team even if it is not the Cavs (pool  c)  could win a couple of rounds.  Never know thats why we play the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpack55 on February 15, 2011, 11:12:57 PM
Hey Rat Pack.  You guys are so cute.  You should get a foursome together and stroke yourself.  You know like as in golf.

Mr. Pat Coleman, you will never see me. I am a ghost, and you should really just keep screening for cuss words.  

Do I ever go to games are you kidding me?  I mean Wolpac, you had your hand down Zeke's pants the whole game Saturday. I mean it is good now that Tzik said it's OK you can now give Coach Kahn some respect.  Three seasons, three 20 win seasons.  One of you did say it is a weak conference title.  Way to support.

Coach C. I did like the sport coat and camera,  Nice touch. I mean you didn't look gay, and must have taken 7 pictures when you weren't waking off the old coach.

And then Mailsy...I mean I was there, and you were sporting some sweet sweat pants and bright white shoes...I mean let's be honest...who of you from this clown car a) played basketball for Cabrini an b) played basketball for Cabrini in the last 20 years?

I mean I come so strong my dollars are not even allowed to support the program.  
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2011, 11:18:35 PM
That's awesome you were able to go! I mean, flights from Minneapolis to just about anywhere are not cheap, this I know.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 15, 2011, 11:38:52 PM
Again.  What is your problem?  Congrats that you were there.  But c'mon what do you want a medal?  You show up to one game and you continue to insist on insulting us.  I know who you are.  You ain't no gift yourself.  Yeah I know who you are.  I respect Marcus too much to say anything else about you.  You, however, continue to disrespect Marcus, by your inflammatory comments on this board.  So out of respect for him.  Cut out your BS nonsense.  You're supposed to be a friend of his, aren't you?  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 16, 2011, 01:10:42 PM
By the way, wp55/Greg  we are so glad Marcus came to Cabrini, he does understand and get it.....and we give him alot of credit but you are an embarrassement!  We hope Marcus stays despite the nonsense you are causing. 

Go Cavs.......
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 16, 2011, 01:14:26 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 15, 2011, 11:38:52 PM
Again.  What is your problem?  Congrats that you were there.  But c'mon what do you want a medal?  You show up to one game and you continue to insist on insulting us.  I know who you are.  You ain't no gift yourself.  Yeah I know who you are.  I respect Marcus too much to say anything else about you.  You, however, continue to disrespect Marcus, by your inflammatory comments on this board.  So out of respect for him.  Cut out your BS nonsense.  You're supposed to be a friend of his, aren't you?  ???

Great Valley --  Minnesota. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:29:40 PM
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 16, 2011, 06:18:05 PM
Thx Big Dave.

Cavs have earned a 2 in Mid Atlantic Mailsy.  Hope we can even get a nearby game or home game if we get through the conference.  Hey Coach C. what do you think about the chances of a first round game if the Cavs get through the conference playoffs?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 16, 2011, 10:39:12 PM
Fantastic!!!  Number 2 in the regional rankings.  :) I wasn't surprised by them moving up with teams ahead of them losing. I thought maybe 3.  Just surprised to they moved up to the #2 team.  They are playing well.  Marcus, the coaches and the players are all in sync.   They need to keep it up with 3 games to go.  They could get an at-large, but I'd rather see them win the conference and possibly a better seeding with the chances of advancing further into the tournament. 

Oh Yeah.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 17, 2011, 09:03:13 AM
Due to the inappropriate comments and personal attacks by one individual, I have decided to delete my account as of Feb 21st, 2011 out of respect for Marcus Kahn and the Cabrini mens basketball program.   There is no need for me to post since it only facilitates a forum of hatred by a certain individual.  I am not a hateful person, and it is a shame others who hide behind blogs are haters.   I will continue to support the Cavs and attend all of their games.  My personal intergrity and dignity among my peers and college is more valuable to me than my freedom to post so a hateful person can get off on it......

Sincerely Wolfpac,   (sorry Pat).
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 17, 2011, 09:22:28 AM
One last thing......

The key to moving on is not to find someone else to attack, but to take a step back and look at the big picture that everyone else saw except you.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2011, 09:38:31 AM
That certain individual isn't going to be posting here anymore, Wolfpac.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 17, 2011, 11:45:31 AM
I was looking at the standings.  Marywood, Centenary and Immaculata all have a chance to get in.  IU plays PBU and Centenary travels to Marywood.  Here is what I have.  IU and Centenary split.  IU beats Marywood 2x and Centenary has the head to head(1-0) over MU.  If MU wins they are in at 9-9.  IU is in if they win. Because they would be 8-10 and Centenary would be 7-11.  If Centenary wins and IU wins.  Marywood would be out because of the head to heads.  What a night it will be in the CSAC.  ;D

Playoffs seeds are set for 1-4.  Cavs(#1) and Griffins have the first round bye.  Keystone #3 will host either the Cyclones, the Macs or even the Pacers.  Neumann #4 hosts either MU or Centenary.  (IU can only get to 6 seed)

Good luck to the CAVS tonight to maintain Regional Rankings.  See you on the 22nd.  :)

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 17, 2011, 05:17:57 PM
All mixed up tonight will set it straight hopefully in the CSAC...  May have some ties and head to heads.  I have reconsidered Pat, you run a respectable forum here and I appreciate having the opportunity to have fun and discuss things in a positive way without being disrespectful.  Hard to live without D3!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 17, 2011, 10:22:01 PM
Things are set.  Cabrini #1 and Gwynedd #2, first round byes.  #6 Immaculata @ #3 Keystone and #5 Marywood @ #4 Neumann.  First round starts on Saturday.  Lowest remaining seed at Cabrini on the 22nd and next lowest at Gwynedd.

Good luck to all who are playing this Saturday!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 17, 2011, 10:22:52 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2011, 09:38:31 AM
That certain individual isn't going to be posting here anymore, Wolfpac.

Wow!!!  ;D Thanks Pat.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 18, 2011, 09:16:42 AM
Cavs sandbagged a little I hope they did not show the Knights everything in case they meet up again very soon.   GMC could also give the Cavs trouble as well, especially if they hit free throws.  Playoffs should be interesting and nothing taken for granted. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 19, 2011, 08:48:38 AM
Marcus Kahn coach of the year. CSAC
Cory Lemons Player of the year.CSAC
Dom Farrello first team...

Mark Blount--Nuemann ROY CSAC

Congratulations to all.....
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 19, 2011, 05:11:52 PM
So now things are clear........


Neumann @ Cabrini-7pm Tuesday
Keystone @ GMC  -  7pm Tuesday.

Good game over in the MAC  2nd OT for the Pride vs Lycoming for the Lions have to win to get in the playoffs.  Pulling for them.  Bill Leahy is my boy over there.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 20, 2011, 10:54:52 AM
With the way the MAC finished out with Kates team as the number one seed, who knows what will happen now.......Etown?

Cavs have to work even harder now and not be complacent!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 21, 2011, 12:16:46 PM
If you haven't seen it you should look at the Bracketolgy on the main page http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/21/the-bracketology-scene/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/21/the-bracketology-scene/)  I would have to agree that 3 teams getting into the tourney, would be improbable.  But getting 2 teams in is a step forward.  If they DO take more than the automatic bid, then the other team would have to win the semifinal.  So one of the teams who loses in the GMC/KC game would definitely be out.  Cavs would have to win against Neumann.  They are 1-1 against them this year and NU has a lot of confidence coming into this game.  So we will see.  Good luck to the Cavs!!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 21, 2011, 11:13:22 PM
Big games Tuesday night.  Between Gwynedd and Keystone whoever holds rebounding and shooting edge will probably win this game.  Since Gwynedd is home, I see them taking this game.  Cabrini and Neumann.  I believe this is going to be a tough game, down to the last minute.  I think Cavs will take this since it is at the Dixon Center.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 22, 2011, 12:11:51 PM
CAVS will not be denied tonight.  If they take it up a notch and the refs are consistent, this game will be over quicker than you think.  If not it will be a long night on the free throw line.      The 3 ball will keep the Knights in it till the end, but if the Cavs are playing their A game and the big men stay out of foul trouble the Cavs should head to the finals.   Marcus has been there before, so have the players so now it time to execute, play hard for 40 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: 7express on February 22, 2011, 02:47:28 PM
I'm looking forward to the GM/Keystone semifinal tonight, basically a defacto elimination game for a pool C bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 23, 2011, 11:12:01 AM
Quote from: 7express on February 22, 2011, 02:47:28 PM
I'm looking forward to the GM/Keystone semifinal tonight, basically a defacto elimination game for a pool C bid.

Nice win for GMC...looking forward to Friday for the Pool A bid.   Liking the matchups on paper for the Cavs, just hoping some fans and students show up.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 23, 2011, 11:13:39 AM
Quote from: 7express on February 22, 2011, 02:47:28 PM
I'm looking forward to the GM/Keystone semifinal tonight, basically a defacto elimination game for a pool C bid.

One could hope that this is the case.  But to be sure, you want to win the conference.  Looking at the box score of last nights game in Gwynedd, Keystone was never in it.  GMC is always tough at home.    Cavs looked beatable last night.  Neumann really came out to play.  Cavs didn't match up well with NU, but still came out with the win.  Congrats to the Cavs.  Lamar Fisher had the biggest play of the game blocking Boggs shot at end of game.  Another home victory for the Cavs.  It will be a home game for Cabrini, where they are tough to beat.  GMC is looking for revenge for their two losses against the Cavaliers.  Should be a great CSAC final.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 23, 2011, 01:04:27 PM
Tell the students at Cabrini there is a CSAc final playoff game on their campus.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 04:34:41 PM
Final Regional Rankings before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 23, 2011, 04:44:38 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 04:34:41 PM
Final Regional Rankings before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/

Any chance that because Cabrini, Gwynedd and Keystone are 3,4,5 in Region that the committee will take 2 teams from the conference?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 04:47:14 PM
There is a chance... BUT each of those teams will be evaluated one at a time against 7 other teams from each of the other regions. That means, let's say one gets the AQ, the other two will be at the "table" against the other seven... and not sure their numbers will stack up against a lot of other schools at the table with them.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 23, 2011, 04:54:13 PM
Thanks d-mac!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 23, 2011, 07:16:08 PM
Hey Dave, without causing you too much trouble....where does the SOS for the CSAC as a whole rank from top to bottom?   Or if easier where do the 3-4-5 teams in the regional rankings stack up across the nation in terms of quality wins?   Is this an indication of the strength of the conference or an indicator of scheduling which is out of the control of a coach sometimes?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 24, 2011, 08:36:55 PM
ReadinG some of the other boards, there is talk of both teams making it to the dance.  I would just like to see the Cavs win and have no doubt about it.  Conference champiionships are what it's all about.  It will be a tough battle.  Cavs will win because it's home.  I see another close game until the final minutes.  GMC will come to play.  They are 1-0 against Cabrini in conference finals.  Hard to believe this is only the second time they have faced each other in a final.  2009 Gwynedd beat Cavs to win the conference.  It will be a battle and hopefully the student body will come out and support the team.  No excuse about classes.  Get to the game and then you can go home for the weekend or do what college students do on Friday nights. (They usually don't get started until after 9:00pm anyway  ;D) Game starts at 7:00pm.  I will be in my usual spot!!!

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2011, 05:38:00 AM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 23, 2011, 07:16:08 PM
Hey Dave, without causing you too much trouble....where does the SOS for the CSAC as a whole rank from top to bottom?   Or if easier where do the 3-4-5 teams in the regional rankings stack up across the nation in terms of quality wins?   Is this an indication of the strength of the conference or an indicator of scheduling which is out of the control of a coach sometimes?

The NCAA provides SOS data for each region... so at the bottom of the regional rankings on D3hoops.com and NCAA.com you will find a PDF link for each region.

Here is the latest link from the Mid-Atlantic: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=MBB&region=15&division=3
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 25, 2011, 08:43:12 AM
Appreciate  it Dave, busy time of year thanks again. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2011, 09:44:08 AM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 23, 2011, 07:16:08 PM
Hey Dave, without causing you too much trouble....where does the SOS for the CSAC as a whole rank from top to bottom?   Or if easier where do the 3-4-5 teams in the regional rankings stack up across the nation in terms of quality wins?   Is this an indication of the strength of the conference or an indicator of scheduling which is out of the control of a coach sometimes?

I'd be surprised if it would be out of his control.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 25, 2011, 10:00:12 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 25, 2011, 09:44:08 AM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 23, 2011, 07:16:08 PM
Hey Dave, without causing you too much trouble....where does the SOS for the CSAC as a whole rank from top to bottom?   Or if easier where do the 3-4-5 teams in the regional rankings stack up across the nation in terms of quality wins?   Is this an indication of the strength of the conference or an indicator of scheduling which is out of the control of a coach sometimes?

I'd be surprised if it would be out of his control.

Where ya coming from Ronk?   
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 25, 2011, 10:00:44 AM
In what aspect Ronk?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2011, 10:30:39 AM
   Coming from the position of a long-time college bball observer; maybe u could mention some of those times scheduling would be out of a coach's control.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 25, 2011, 12:13:10 PM
I was under the impression the administration chose the conference and mission affiliation and with economic concerns for traveling budgets the AD and assistant AD scheduled the games out of conference based on open dates, and financial concerns rather than a coach simply wanting to play a certain team.  Tournaments I understand you need to sign up for them but I was under the impression the admn has to be involved in scheduling when facilities are jammed up etc....and overide the coach's decision.  I know a coach may want to play a certain conference to build competition however with these variables it does not happen sometimes.   Please correct me if I am totally wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2011, 12:28:47 PM
I don't think there's any hard and fast rule over who handles scheduling and it varies on a school-by-school basis.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2011, 04:41:25 PM
  I'm just talking about the nonconference scheduling within parameters of financial and time constraints, of course. I would think the CSAC schools can have their choice of 40 opponents within 2 hours and also which tournaments they volunteer for so that the coach can choose how weak or strong his schedule should be. As the primary tenant of the gym, I see only limited competition for dates from volleyball or wrestling.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 26, 2011, 12:12:10 AM
Thank you Pat and Ronk,  so basically depends on school.  Interesting.  If a region is historically weak or strong it could play into the hands of an opponent in the post-season even though a coach may have wanted a tougher schedule.  Thinking of the high level of play in the ODAC.......it seems that region is strong but hard to schedule games with those teams until the post season arrives.  Only my opinion, but wouldn't a coach want to play one of the ODAC teams if they are perennials in the tourney to  raise their play?  So for whatever reason it cannot be scheduled I would consider it out of the coaches control at one school, but at another school because of the mere fact they play a game against an ODAC school it would seem in the coach's hands. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 26, 2011, 12:15:45 AM
Cory Lemons MVP playoffs.
Cabrini Cavaliers CSAC champions 2011 --guided by Marcus Kahn. 
Thank you for a great regular season.


Waiting for the selections, and congratulations to GMC for a good season as well, perhaps the Griffins will still get into the dance.  John Hogga you are a great player hope you get another game in the tourney. You are a class act.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 26, 2011, 01:19:05 AM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 26, 2011, 12:15:45 AM
Cory Lemons MVP playoffs.
Cabrini Cavaliers CSAC champions 2011 --guided by Marcus Kahn. 
Thank you for a great regular season.


Waiting for the selections, and congratulations to GMC for a good season as well, perhaps the Griffins will still get into the dance.  John Hogga you are a great player hope you get another game in the tourney. You are a class act.


I will add my sentiments as well.  Game was close early.  GMC's biggest lead was 6 at 15-9.  Then Cabrini just dominated from that point on.  Gwynedd was never in it.  Hopefully Gwynedd will get that chance to get in the dance.  If not good luck to them in the ECAC. 

Congrats to Marcus and the coaches and all the players.  They worked extremely hard to get this championship.  Just one more step in the journey.  Looking forward to see where they play next week.  If it is close enough, I'll certainly take the drive.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 26, 2011, 09:35:29 AM
Mailsy, it will be closer than 500 miles I hope.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 26, 2011, 11:13:36 AM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 26, 2011, 09:35:29 AM
Mailsy, it will be closer than 500 miles I hope.

That's not really any consolation.  500 miles could take all day to get there depending on where it is.  At 65 MPH, the whole time, it could take over 7 hours to get to a game.  :o That would be way too far for me to drive after work.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 26, 2011, 09:12:07 PM
Alvernia, Del Val going to tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 26, 2011, 10:00:46 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 26, 2011, 09:12:07 PM
Alvernia, Del Val going to tourney.

... and?  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 26, 2011, 10:08:34 PM
Hoping to play either of them down the road in the sectionals..........LOL !
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 27, 2011, 07:25:24 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 26, 2011, 10:00:46 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 26, 2011, 09:12:07 PM
Alvernia, Del Val going to tourney.

... and?  ;D

After all the hoopla.........F+M is in as usual....took care of business hoping for a Cavs home game Please.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 27, 2011, 07:33:12 PM
On Hoopsville, D-Mac thinks good possibility Cabrini gets to host this weekend.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2011, 08:14:39 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 27, 2011, 07:33:12 PM
On Hoopsville, D-Mac thinks good possibility Cabrini gets to host this weekend.  :)


Is Cabrini a big enough Gym to host?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 27, 2011, 08:54:58 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2011, 08:14:39 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 27, 2011, 07:33:12 PM
On Hoopsville, D-Mac thinks good possibility Cabrini gets to host this weekend.  :)


Is Cabrini a big enough Gym to host?

Yes.  With all stands out will hold 1200, I believe.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 28, 2011, 06:47:48 AM
You have to check out the bracketology on the main page.  They projected that the Cavs will host and one of their formal rivals will be the team they face in the first round - Alvernia.  Now how about that, that should have some people "really" interested if this actually pans out!  :D

They also have Gwynedd facing off against F&M in VA.  Mind you only projections, but still very interesting.  Can't wait til this afternoon to see what actually happens.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 28, 2011, 05:32:02 PM
Well it is official.  It is a home game.  Very deserving.  Of course many people don't believe that the Cavs should be hosting.  But too bad  ;) they got it, they deserved it.  ;D

I'll be there.  Whether I get my usual spot will certainly be up to where they sit the other teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on February 28, 2011, 05:34:41 PM
Hi mailsy!  That's so great that Cabrini is hosting  :D -congratulations to them, and the best of luck in the tournament!  Have fun!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 28, 2011, 05:48:02 PM
Thanks kate.  I had the fortune of going last year to Albright, which is about a 90 minute drive for me.  Unfortunately they ran into a buzz saw called Randolph Macon.  Cabrini is a little closer for me.  So I am happy that they are hosting.  I was concerned that it was going to be elsewhere and a trip I wouldn't be able to make.  Unfortunately it looks like you team has some traveling to do. I don't know if you're going to travel to Virginia to see your Aggies, but it seems to be a little further to get to than you might want to take.  But good luck.   If you don't go, hopefully they'll have some a good video stream for you to watch and cheer on Del Val.  :)

Hopefully we'll get to see the MAC teams and the CSAC teams make it thru their pods.

GO CAVS!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 28, 2011, 08:11:20 PM
Jersey City? NJAC team.......Cabrini can hold more than 1200 if they open up the top too Mailsy.  Also hoping for a win in the first round.   Thinking the Cavs will have some time to prepare and are at home so this may be a golden opportunity for them to win a round or two..... not that easy but this may be the best shot with these match-ups for them to do some good things as a sleeper team if they shoot like they are capable of shooting and play tough defense it could happen.  Friday going to be tough if its an early game.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 28, 2011, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Wolfpac on February 28, 2011, 08:11:20 PM
Jersey City? NJAC team.......Cabrini can hold more than 1200 if they open up the top too Mailsy.  Also hoping for a win in the first round.   Thinking the Cavs will have some time to prepare and are at home so this may be a golden opportunity for them to win a round or two..... not that easy but this may be the best shot with these match-ups for them to do some good things as a sleeper team if they shoot like they are capable of shooting and play tough defense it could happen.  Friday going to be tough if its an early game.

Since Cabrini is home squad it should be the late game at 8:00pm. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 28, 2011, 08:45:33 PM
Common opponent for Jersy City and Cavs  was PBU  ...... Gothic Knights blew them out led by 40 over at Eastern but lost to Alfred University in a tournament while the Cavs put subs in and won by 20 or so a couple of times.  .467 in shooting percentage, 3-10 for three's and 6 turnovers but means nothing when playing against the Cavs.
Fast break average stats should be an even match-up with slight edge to the Cavs for being at home.  Would not be surprised if Cavs pull it off.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 09:19:03 PM
I believe games are 5:30/7:30.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 28, 2011, 09:24:16 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 09:19:03 PM
I believe games are 5:30/7:30.

Yes. 

Purchase vs Hartwick at 5:30pm
Jersey City @ Cabrini at 7:30pm

Winners play Saturday night at 7:00pm.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on March 01, 2011, 09:55:41 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2011, 09:19:03 PM
I believe games are 5:30/7:30.

Thx as usual Big Dave,  Ignoring the fact that Cabrini is hosting, personally I do not care where the games are played.  This time of the year is exciting for the true bball fan.  Traveling is an issue for some but make other arrangements and make a day trip or something out of it, do not get so upset cause ya are not hosting.  Actually Dave I may not be able to make it because of work and am a half hour away.   

Stats are one thing, but look at the big picture....it would be boring to play same teams in same places every year.  Other variables count for more on a national level For those who feel slighted move on and just enjoy the tournament.  I did not think the Cavs would host due to their lose at Neuman.  F&M and Alvernia got in and F&M did not host so what if they are that good they will win a round or two and their fans can be proud.  F&M has a fine heritage and can be proud of their schedule but just because they did not get a home game it is not the end of the world.  This is what I mean by does a coach control his schedule......for instance why would Cabrini not play F&M during reg season if it helps F&M win and the Cavs play a better team? The Cavs played Widener without Dom Farrello on road or would have won there, then would that allow a legitimate host choice? 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on March 01, 2011, 10:03:59 AM
When Cavs played Scranton, Cory Lemons was also playing sick, and their big guy had a bad foot/ ankle early on in the season as well, so please take into consideration.  Scranton is a great team as well I am not taking anything away from the Royals but they can be beat on any given day.  Taking into account that Cabrini got RMC last year, why would they even think about the same match-up again despite what happened at Albright. And I was actually rooting for F&M last year for representing our region. Please just have fun. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2011, 12:39:33 PM

Do we have ticket info from Cabrini yet?  I'd like to go to the games, at least on Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on March 01, 2011, 07:42:00 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 01, 2011, 12:39:33 PM

Do we have ticket info from Cabrini yet?  I'd like to go to the games, at least on Friday.

$6.00 at the door.......on sale one hour prior to game time (430 and 6) Tix purchased on Friday are valid for both games.  NO PRE SALE..... 2 yrs and younger are free.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2011, 08:14:55 AM

Thanks.  I'll be there Friday at least.  Maybe Saturday if I can swing it.

I'll likely be the only person in the room wearing an Eastern Nazarene College t-shirt.

Come say hello if you find me.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on March 03, 2011, 11:11:03 AM
Jersey City on a roll, watch out Cavs, not gonna be easy.  Cavs have to play to their tempo, keep Miller and Dulac out of foul trouble.  Lemons will have to drive the lane and free throws will be important.  Going to be a tough match-up down low with lots of flashing at the elbows for Farrello.  If Rafferty can play consistently and AJ pick up some slack it should be an interesting evening.  Have to control the tempo.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 04, 2011, 06:36:28 AM
In less than 12 hours we will get to see what happens.  I am excited about the possibilities tonight.  It should be a fun night at the Dixon Center.  We will see what happens.  Good luck to all teams playing tonight.  But, just a little bit more to the Cavs.  ;D


GO CAVS!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on March 04, 2011, 09:52:11 AM
Objectively, if the Cabrini team gets through Jersey City, SUNY PUrchase is going to be tough, they have one guy who we all know can be unstoppable on his game. I see SUNY Purchase coming out of the pod, but never know still have to play the game.  NJAC has a much better record in the tournament than the CSAC/PAC   this will show the strength or lack of strength of our conference but GMC could get spanked too.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on March 04, 2011, 09:53:40 AM
Hey Mailsy, Marywood lost by 60 points in the ECAC against LVC who spanked them,  the CSAC is weaker than you think.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 04, 2011, 11:02:35 PM

Got to meet Mailsy and Wolfpac tonight.  Congrats to them on Cabrini really showing some strength.  Impressive game.  No one can really leave disappointed - even in the loss NJCU played their hearts out.

This was my first look at Cabrini.  I love that coach.  He had them ready to go and so schooled they never broke down, even when things got really intense at the end.  Unflappable.

I've not been a big CSAC supporter, but this team looked good.  Hopefully they have enough left to down Purchase tomorrow.  This game may have taken a lot out of them.

I'll try to get back tomorrow night, but it doesn't look likely.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 05, 2011, 01:42:53 AM
All, I can really say is wow!!!  Just got in a few moments ago.  Nice meeting you hoopsfan as well.  It was a great atmosphere for a game to be played and it should be a lot of fun tomorrow night.  They just needed to get over that hump.  There were 4 ties in the game and 2 lead changes.  NJC was up by 2 at 2-0 and never trailed until the 4:52 remaining in the 2nd half and they never got the lead back.  Cabrini outscored them 18-8 the rest of the way.  Foul shooting was the key.  Congrats Cabrini. 

Sorry to see that GMC lost today.  Great careers for Jon Hogga, Jon Crabtree and Brian Haas.  Good luck in your future careers. :)

Tomorrow is a new day.  Now let's see if they will get to the sweet 16.  ;)

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on March 05, 2011, 08:17:15 AM
Hi, mailsy!  Huge congratulations!  Good luck tonight, and i'll be following the CAVS on live stats!  Good for your guys!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on March 05, 2011, 09:15:51 AM
Hoopsfan.......feeling is mutual. Good to run into someone who understands the game and appreciates the level of play these student athletes bring to the table.

Purchase is a bigger physical team, athletic, and have a well-paced offensive scheme. Seems to me the key is their gaurds who are savvy. Cavs also have Lemons who we all know about.  Believe if the big guys on both teams keep the low game in check then the gaurds will get turned loose and the war will begin until the free throws start.
However, Marcus may have a few surprises up his sleeve to throw them off a little.
Should be an interesting game.  WILL be physical game!  Depth charts and defense.

Was great to see fans from all four schools cheering.......also read the gym capacity was something like 2,105 posted and know firsthand from the planners there are comfortable seating for 1600 for those of you who needed to know about the Dixon center.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 05, 2011, 10:29:58 PM
Sweet 16 baby!   Wooohoooo!!!! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 05, 2011, 11:12:42 PM
Gordon it was a pleasure meeting you tonight.  It really was a great night for the Cavs.  It looked dreary in the first half.  But, I was telling everyone that we had Purchase right where we wanted them, considering that they were 6-0 when trailing at the half. (now 7-0)  It was a big deficit(13) but I just had a feeling(I know everyone seems to say that when their team wins).  I was also telling everyone around me if they could get in to 5 or under at the 15 minute they really had a chance.  So what happens at the 14:56 mark John Boyd hits a 3 and they trailed by 4.  There were 5 ties tonight and 3 lead changes.  2-0 Purchase, 4-2 Cavs and then 66-64 Cavs.  Again once they got over the hump they never trailed.  They just are so tough at home.  But next week they will travel and it looks like Wooster.  I might travel if I get the "flu". 

So much for the CSAC being a "weak" conference.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on March 06, 2011, 08:20:26 AM
Honestly, mailsy, i couldn't be happier for you and the Cabrini Cavs!!!  :D  You get to keep watching your team play - doesn't get any better than that in March - BEST LUCK!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on March 06, 2011, 10:50:22 AM
Glad to still be posting about the Cavs on this board at this time of year.    Great to see underdogs get to the SWEET 16.........hope it helps the credibility of our conference.  The Cavs beat a physical team with some big guys and small gaurds all well coached, patient with the ball, and spaced well across the floor making it hard to defend.  Whatever Marcus said at halftime to the team went along way, and Lemons scored 20 in second half on way to 29 when he decided to turn it on.......

Cavs seem to adapt to the situation and trailing at half is a usual thing.  Really thought Purchase was going to come out of the pod, the Cavs looked tired in first half and did not react well to the ball, but the second half they got their feet and took advantage of their looks.  Doubling or tripling Lemons does not matter as one can see !

Hoping for the best against Wooster......the Scots lead the Cavs in most stats except for assists and steals, will be  a  tall order but Cavs fans have faith, hoping to make the trip to Ohio, unless something changes today and location is somewhere else theoretically it could be in Radnor....... Congratulations team and thanks D3.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on March 06, 2011, 10:51:57 AM
Hoopsville tonight..........
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 06, 2011, 08:17:20 PM
Marcus Kahn on Hoopsville tonight. If you missed it he is interviewed at the end of the first hour into the second hour and you can listen to it in the archive.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 06, 2011, 08:39:34 PM
The Wooster folks are asking for a Cabrini scouting report if any of you are so inclined.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 07, 2011, 10:23:18 PM
Cabrini fans:
Here's a link to Wooster's Sectional Tournament information page. (http://www.woosterathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/ncaa/sectional/index)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 07, 2011, 10:26:59 PM
Thanks Dave!! :)

+1
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on March 10, 2011, 10:03:52 AM
Super Good Luck to the Cabrini Cavs tomorrow night against Wooster!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 10, 2011, 11:06:45 AM
Thanks Kate, Cavs can use it. 

Here is a link to the NCAC board with an article about this weekend's sectional.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4200.11520#msg1310045

A bus is traveling out of Cabrini tomorrow.  I, unfortunately, can not get there.  I'll be watching on line.  Hopefully all this rain here won't cause any problems for viewing.  It will be a tough battle for the Cavs.  They are underdogs, they are traveling on the road, and they are playing the home team, who is ranked 5th.  But you know what? Anything is possible.  I am certainly very proud of this team and the coaches, so no matter what happens it has been a great year.  :)

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 10, 2011, 10:54:29 PM
Here is something else from the NCAC board:   :)

Quote from: woo91 on March 10, 2011, 09:51:52 PM
Hey guys, first post here so forgive me.

I the Assistant GM of WCWS-FM (WOO 91), Wooster's student-run radio. We've been recoding over the past few weeks a segment called "More with Moore" where we sit Coach down for about a half hour and just ask him some questions. We recorded one this morning where we spent the entire time recapping Wooster's tourney wins and a lot of the time previewing Cabrini. You can find the link here, as I hope it provides some more insight into the game tomorrow night: http://i.mixcloud.com/CSSGi

Thanks, and go Scots!

Jason
Assistant GM, WCWS


GO CAVS!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 11, 2011, 01:09:15 AM
Here is a local article about Cabrini's Cory Lemons and Dom Farello.

http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2011/03/10/sports/doc4d79a9cb8fec8108329540.txt
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 11, 2011, 08:03:48 PM

I don't know if the Cabrini guys are at the game or here watching, but I'll just say, I told you that Wooster squad was strong and deep.  Wow.  What a ten minutes so far.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 11, 2011, 09:30:30 PM
Congrats to Wooster they had too much for the Cavs.  The Scots hit their 3's, Cavs didn't and unlike at home when they hit there FT's The Cavs shot poorly.

Congrats on a great season to the Cavaliers!

Best of luck to Seniors Dom Farello and Lamar Fisher.   :)

Dom was one of the greats at Cabrini!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on March 11, 2011, 10:20:43 PM
Cavs out matched in the low post,  did not hit their open looks outside the arc,  shot less than 50% from the line, and did not execute well period.  Wooster much deeper.
Lemons caused some problems at times. Wooster's  players were smarter with their   inside presence while outside Wooster moved the ball and hit the three with ease.
The Scots were the better team good luck to them and their fans.  Amazing how easy basketball seems when a team is firing on all cylinders, a well oiled-machine.

In light of this,  congratulations to the Cavs.   Thanks for a fun and exciting season.
Over and out the Wolf......

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 16, 2011, 06:53:26 AM
Congratulations to Cabrini's Dom Farello and Cory Lemons on receiving third team All-Region.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on March 18, 2011, 10:01:32 AM
Richmond Spiders head coach Chris Mooney previously served as head coach of which former PAC/CSAC school?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2011, 10:34:07 AM
Are you looking for Beaver or Arcadia as the answer?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on March 18, 2011, 12:05:52 PM
That is correct.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 19, 2011, 09:38:38 PM
Hey Cavs fans and D3 fans there is a nice article written about D3 vs D1 schools by Cabrini's own Chris Blake a 2010 grad.  Here it is:

http://www.businessinsider.com/division-i-could-learn-from-division-iii-2011-3
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 23, 2011, 10:46:34 PM
Cabrini finishes 19th in the poll.  First time finishing the season in the top 25 in a long time(2002)!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on March 24, 2011, 08:55:02 AM
Good morning, mailsy!  Thanks sooo much for posting the link for Chris Blake's article!  It made my day!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on April 22, 2011, 12:27:11 AM
Here is some more recognition for two of Cabrini's finest.  Congrats to Dom and Cory!

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/news/2011/4/21/MBB_0421110145.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 04, 2011, 11:11:19 AM
Happy 4th to my fellow CSAC posters!!  Just think it' July and only 4  months and 11  days until the season starts. 7/4/11  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on July 04, 2011, 01:52:40 PM
Happy 4th to all.

After reflecting on this season I must thank the Cavs men and Marcus and his staff for their hard work.

Congratulations again, and thank you for putting Cabrini on the map again ! !   Stand tall and proud and defend the conference well.

:)
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Post by: mailsy on August 05, 2011, 10:49:43 AM
Cabrini's schedule is finally posted.  :)

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
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Post by: mailsy on August 15, 2011, 08:17:28 PM
I see that Cabrini's Fran Rafferty scored 23 points in the Global Sports Academy trip to Europe.  That is a good thing.  I'm sure he will be an integral part of the Cavs offense for 11-12.

Only 3 months til the season starts.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on August 19, 2011, 07:33:39 PM
Quote from: mailsy on August 15, 2011, 08:17:28 PM
I see that Cabrini's Fran Rafferty scored 23 points in the Global Sports Academy trip to Europe.  That is a good thing.  I'm sure he will be an integral part of the Cavs offense for 11-12.

Only 3 months til the season starts.  :)

Fran will learn alot undoubtedly.  Cavs will benefit.   So looking forward to hoops again. 
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Post by: Wolfpac on August 26, 2011, 09:35:48 PM
Any news on recruits in the CSAC or for the Cavs?  Hope Lemons is back for the Cavs. 
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Post by: mailsy on September 10, 2011, 05:00:11 PM
Looks like Keystone has a new coach.  I'll miss the old coach.  He certainly was entertaining on the sidelines.  ::)
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Post by: mailsy on September 21, 2011, 12:00:58 AM
Did you see on the Centennial board that Sporting News has Cabrini ranked 10th in the preseason?  What is that based on?  This is really fascinating.
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Post by: mailsy on October 25, 2011, 10:36:14 AM
Cavs ranked 14th in the preseason poll.   Congrats, but it is still only the preseason.  IMO Cabrini will have the proverbial bullseye on their shirts from outside the conference.  Playing York and Scranton plus Centre could determine some of their success this season.  Of course on a whole they'll have the target from the conference, on a game to game basis GMC, Neumann and Keystone always seem up for the Cavs and they always seem to struggle with Marywood and Centenary every year.  These teams probably have the Cabrini game targeted on their respective schedules. 

Opening day three weeks away against Haverford!!!  :)
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Post by: mailsy on November 11, 2011, 06:48:40 PM
Four days to opening day.  Cavs picked as preseason #1 in the conference.  Roster finally up.  Looking forward to another fun year with the Cavaliers b'ball team.  :)
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Post by: mailsy on November 24, 2011, 10:14:00 AM
To all CSAC posters and readers, have a Happy Thanksgiving!

Best Regards

mailsy  :D
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Post by: mailsy on November 26, 2011, 10:56:24 PM
Nice win for the Cavs today over a previously unbeaten Widener team.  Monday Cabrini will be hosting Neumann.  Neumann will certainly come out strong and try and quiet the crowd.  I was pleased by the last home game, quite a crowd showed up.  Defintely will be an electric atmosphere at the Dixon Center Monday night with both men's and women's teams playing.  Go Cavs!  :)
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Post by: mailsy on November 29, 2011, 08:42:10 PM
Seems I am talking to myself.  :o A fine job last night against Neumann.  Number 23 (Mark Blount) for Neumann seemed to swat anything that came near the basket.  His official number was 9, but it seemed he had almost twice that.  Cavs came out strong early but Knights played close and took a brief lead before falling back.  Got as close as 3 points in the second half.  But that ws it.  Cavs undefeated at home since Dec 08 and in conference play since January '08.  Big test this weekend against Keystone.  PBU up next.  GO CAVS. 
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Post by: gordonmann on November 30, 2011, 01:05:43 PM
I'm reading. I just don't have anything to add. :)
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Post by: mailsy on November 30, 2011, 11:23:25 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 30, 2011, 01:05:43 PM
I'm reading. I just don't have anything to add. :)

Thanks gordon!   :D
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Post by: mailsy on December 02, 2011, 12:34:58 AM
Just wanted to add a congrats to Cory Lemons for scoring his 1000th point the other day at Philly Bible.  8-)

John Boyd will probably get his 1000 college points on Saturday against Keystone.  This is going to be another tough game.  Won't be able to attend.  But I'll try and catch the second half on line.

GO CAVS!
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Post by: mailsy on December 03, 2011, 04:28:42 PM
Cabrini up by 2 over Keystone with 5:11 to go in game.  :) KC has ball after timeout.

2:01 to go 92-91 Cabrini with the ball.
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Post by: mailsy on December 03, 2011, 04:40:32 PM
92 all minute to go Cavs with ball!

27 secs Cavs with ball.  Back and forth turnovers and missed shots.  Can Cavs hit last shot and avoid OT?  Let's hope so!!

Go Cavs!
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Post by: mailsy on December 03, 2011, 04:45:41 PM
John Boyd hot the 3 with 1 sec to go.  Bank shot!!!  ;D 31 Points on the game.
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Post by: mailsy on December 03, 2011, 04:50:23 PM
Cavs win! Cavs win!  What a game!  Holy cow!  John Boyd gets his 1000 point today and has a monster of a day.  31 points and the game winner!!  Beat Keystone again.  That's 8 of their last 9.  Defended home court again.

GO CAVS!!!
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Post by: mailsy on December 08, 2011, 10:48:41 AM
Was at last nights game.  The game wasn't as close as the score. For as bad as they seemed to play at times they were up by 18 at the half and their biggest lead was 23 with 6 to go.  Cavs seemed to come out 'disinterested' for the second half and GMC closed to 8 with a 15-2 run.  Than Cabrini seemed to get interested again and then it was over.  It seemed to take forever to get to that century mark.  4-0 in conference. Great job Cavs!!

BBC up next 0-9 overall.  :-X
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Post by: msm1107 on December 13, 2011, 10:23:08 PM
"Senior Dan DelConte scored a game-high 28 points, including the 1,000th of his career to help lead Gwynedd-Mercy to an 88-78 non-league win over Rowan Tuesday evening." Congrats Dan
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Post by: mailsy on December 13, 2011, 11:34:12 PM
Quote from: msm1107 on December 13, 2011, 10:23:08 PM
"Senior Dan DelConte scored a game-high 28 points, including the 1,000th of his career to help lead Gwynedd-Mercy to an 88-78 non-league win over Rowan Tuesday evening." Congrats Dan

Welcome to the board msm1107.  That's great for Dan, Congratulations to him.  I just read that in the recap.  Thank you for pointing it out. Hopefully we'll hear from you again.  :)
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Post by: gordonmann on December 16, 2011, 10:29:11 AM
We're going to work with Cabrini tomorrow night to do a videocast of the Scranton/Cabrini game. I'll post a link off the front page later tonight.
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Post by: mailsy on December 17, 2011, 09:23:59 PM
Gordon,

It was good to see you again.  The game must have been amazing to call.  Wish I could have heard it.  But it was better to see it live.   
Congrats to the Cavs on the victory.  Defended home court again.  Next up Johns Hopkins at the Centre Tourney in KY.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 18, 2011, 01:00:28 AM
Mailsy:

Good to see you, too. I've a feeling it won't be the last Cabrini game I see this year. :)
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Post by: mailsy on December 18, 2011, 12:38:41 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 18, 2011, 01:00:28 AM
Mailsy:

Good to see you, too. I've a feeling it won't be the last Cabrini game I see this year. :)

Maybe next time we'll get a little bit more time to chat.  I'm not sure what game(s) you'll do, but I'm sure I'll be there if it is during the week.

By the way Merry Christmas!!!
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Post by: mailsy on December 21, 2011, 09:42:36 AM
Cavs a top 10 team!  Wow, that's a first!  Coach Kahn and his staff are doing a great job and the players are making everything work(it helps that you have a pre-season AA as the point guard ;)).  It still is a long season, but I'm sure they can maintain this.  A good tourney coming up and then a return home to weather the CSAC. 

Congrats again to the Cavs!

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Post by: gordonmann on December 21, 2011, 11:11:53 AM
Mailsy:

The Scranton gang asked me what I thought about Saturday's game. Here's what I said about the Cavs.

"Scranton also lost to a good team. Cabrini's coach has really done a great job building a solid roster around Lemons, who is an excellent player. Rafferty is a great shooter. Knowles could be All-Region. Dulac and Boyd are nice pieces (though both struggled Saturday). There's good depth off the bench with Rogers and Miller. Who knows where Cabrini will finish the season, but this squad is comparable in talent to the best teams to come out of this region the past few years, even if the CSAC isn't a deep conference. So losing to Cabrini on their floor isn't a bad loss, even if it's a frustrating one."

In my opinion, this team is comparable in talent and depth to the recent Ursinus and Franklin & Marshall Final Four squads. Cabrini has come a long way in the past four years.
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Post by: mailsy on December 21, 2011, 11:25:18 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 21, 2011, 11:11:53 AM
In my opinion, this team is comparable in talent and depth to the recent Ursinus and Franklin & Marshall Final Four squads. Cabrini has come a long way in the past four years.

Absolutely.  I remember those few lean years between John Dzik and Marcus Kahn.  Marcus and his staff do a great job of recruiting to a school that is over $40,000(including room and board).  I like Marcus.  I hope he is around for a long time and gets the opportunity to break some more records. If they can get this team to the elite 8(or beyond).  He'll go where no one else in Cabrini coaching lore has been.

GO CAVS!!
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Post by: mailsy on December 24, 2011, 09:30:37 PM
Merry Christmas to all.  May you and your families have a safe and joyous holyday!  :)
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Post by: mailsy on December 31, 2011, 06:38:07 PM
So much for trying to follow a game at work.  I go online to see Cavs take the lead and I see 0.0 on the clock. Cavs win game over. Come back to D3 to read the boards and I see they lost in OT.  Wow!  What happened.  Did the home team have the home 'ref' advantage?  ???   :D

Have a safe and HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone
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Post by: mailsy on January 17, 2012, 01:22:42 PM
I'm back from a nice long and well needed vacation.   :) See that the Cavs have been taking it to the CSAC while I was gone.  Tomorrow night against GMC will be the first game back in a while.  Curious to see the new and improved team. 
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Post by: mailsy on January 22, 2012, 02:38:08 PM
Trying to get back to reality.  Cavs had a good win agaianst a GMC team that promised to bring the heat.  But Cabrini doused their hopes.  GMC then loses to Rosemont.  RC much better in their third year.  Cavs win easily after being down early against BBC.  Keystone wins 2x this weekend.  Cavs still have road games against Marywood, Centenary, Neumann (teams who always seem to give them fits) and Keystone(last game).  Keystone has GMC next on the road and sees them later at home. Right now Cabrini and Keystone will host the semis.  Could the last game of the season be the deciding factor in who hosts the CSAC final?  We'll see.  ;)
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Post by: mailsy on January 23, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
Cavs now ranked 8th!!  Highest ranking in school history!!  Marcus and the boys are doing a fantastic job.  :)
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Post by: mailsy on January 24, 2012, 11:41:55 AM
Congrats to Cabrini's Cory Lemons. A Player of the week in d3hoops' Team of the Week.  8-)
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Post by: mailsy on January 26, 2012, 12:00:23 PM
Another victory for the Cavs. No matter what the adversity is, they overcome it. I just find it amazing when I go to HOME games how uneven the foul calls are especially in the first half.  Last night, imo, was another poorly officiated game.  I'm all for aggressiveness, but that has to go both ways.  When you have players getting hammered on one end of the court  and not being called and then a tap fouled is called on the other end, it is tiresome watching a team play 8 on 5 almost every night on their HOME court.  :o  You almost of expect it on the road(see Centre 21-12) but constantly at home?  Please!!!
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Post by: mailsy on January 29, 2012, 12:45:36 PM
Rivalry game tomorrow at Eastern.  Who will win the battle of Eagle Road?  I say Cavs for the 4th year in a row.
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Post by: mailsy on February 02, 2012, 10:36:32 AM
Two wins this week.  Nice win on Monday at Eastern.  Ugly win against Rosemont.  Cavs FT shooting was to say the least 'not so good'.  They missed 16 FT!  :o But they did hit their last 8(thank you John Boyd).  So Before JB got the 8, Cavs were 15 of 31. Game was a lot closer than it had to be.  Cavs first team to 20 wins. Congrats!! Tough road games at Marywood and Neumann coming up.

GO CAVS!!!
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Post by: Reserved Seat on February 02, 2012, 12:31:50 PM
Looking forward to Cabrini/F&M game.  Seems the two teams like a different paced game.  Which team can dictate the pace should determine the winner.
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Post by: mailsy on February 04, 2012, 04:48:36 PM
David slays Goliath.  Rosemont knocks off the Giants 93-88.  Wow!!  Home court resides with the Cavs.  All they have to do is win next 2 games against Neumann and PBU and they control the #1 spot for CSAC playoffs.  Cavs knock off Marywood.

GO CAVS!!
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Post by: Swisscheese on February 05, 2012, 09:48:25 AM
Its a privledge and honor to be approved thank you Pat.  Lets talk hoops in positive and respectful way.  Amen.
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Post by: Swisscheese on February 05, 2012, 09:51:40 AM
Since Cabrini seems to be the team on fire;  just wanted to comment on how deep they seem to be this year and how well balanced their offense looks, you can take Lemons and box him but they can still shoot 3's or pound inside.  Anyone else feel they have the right ingredients going to get out of the region assuming they take care of business?
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Post by: BRCE4 on February 05, 2012, 11:34:18 AM
Rosemont,s big win over keystone all but assures cabrini home court through csac playoffs. Assuming cavs win csac title they should be home for the first 2 ncaa games. I have seen them a couple times this year and think they have the size, athleticism and depth to make a run.
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Post by: mailsy on February 05, 2012, 03:51:20 PM
That was a huge win for Rosemont.  Third year program and they take down a team like Keystone.  Wow!  Just an incredible job by the coach.  They have 2 of their 3 remaining games on the road where they have not played their best.  If they win 2 of 3, they could have a home playoff game.  That would be big for a third year program.
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Post by: Swisscheese on February 05, 2012, 05:18:26 PM
Don't count out the sleeping giant either.......GMC can still fool alot of people if they take care of business.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 06, 2012, 09:52:16 PM
Keystone goes down again.  This time to Gwynedd.  One more win for the Cavs and they wrap up the number one spot for the conference.  ;D
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Post by: Swisscheese on February 07, 2012, 08:24:31 PM
GMC the dark horse.   Nice win on the road.  Watch out for the Griffins.
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Post by: mailsy on February 08, 2012, 10:13:33 PM
Cavs win again.  :) Have clinched the number 1 seed in the CSAC.  They're ranked #1 regionally.  All in all, a good day!!

GO CAVS!!!
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Post by: Swisscheese on February 09, 2012, 09:38:34 AM
Cavs are starting to scare me now they may be for real.   Hope to catch them for their last reg season home game.
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Post by: mailsy on February 10, 2012, 11:24:38 AM
Saturday is senior day.  Good luck to seniors John Boyd, Cory Lemons and Greg Zabel.  Here's hoping that GZ gets a ton of points on Saturday for his last game at home.  Saturday is also Alumni game.  It will be great to get back together with fellow alumnae. 

GO CAVS!!!
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Post by: Swisscheese on February 11, 2012, 10:39:43 AM
Last time Cabrini ran table in conference undefeated was in early-mid 90's , they will have a tall task at hand when they visit Keystone, hope if Cabrini can pull it off they get to host a round or two for the NCAA tourney if they can win the conference. 
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Post by: mailsy on February 12, 2012, 09:46:50 PM
Greg Z did have a 'ton' of points career high 21.  Refs had an easy day yesterday.  Noone yelled at them (much) caught someone :o giving the refs a hard time.  ;D  Fun day overall Lady Cavs win and get in the playoffs.  Men easily win with a chance to go undefeated in the CSAC.  The chance to be the first team in the "CSAC" to do it and Cavs first chance since the mid 90's.  Also the team I helped 'coach' won the annual alumni game.  A fun night out and looking forward to the upcoming CSAC Tourney.

GO CAVS!!!
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Post by: Swisscheese on February 13, 2012, 07:55:44 PM
Even if Cavs lose a game and lose the conference, would it be safe to say they would still get into the tourney under different bid due to their record?
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Post by: mailsy on February 13, 2012, 08:12:24 PM
Quote from: Swisscheese on February 13, 2012, 07:55:44 PM
Even if Cavs lose a game and lose the conference, would it be safe to say they would still get into the tourney under different bid due to their record?

The answer is probably, however, let Keystone be the one sweating it to see if they get in.  Just win the conference championship and no one rooting for the Cavs will worry.
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Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2012, 09:16:31 PM
I think it is a very safe chance Cabrini gets in if they go the rest of the season without a loss and take a loss in the conference tournament. That would be only their second loss... however, it could make it tough to host because more teams enter the equation.
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Post by: mailsy on February 13, 2012, 11:44:20 PM
Cavs now ranked 6th!!   Best ever ranking!! :)
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Post by: Swisscheese on February 14, 2012, 09:08:05 AM
Interesting Dave, so losing to a team with a lower strength of schedule would hurt Cabrini more than losing to say Keystone? ( Hypothetically they could lose to a Rosemont or a Nueman in playoffs even if they beat Keystone)  However if Cabrini would run the table, win conference, and retain the #1 regional spot would probably host one round, is it then possible to host a sectional (Sweet16) with the facility at Radnor or does it depend on the pod or the money to be made selling out at a larger facility with a larger fanbase?  In additon the location to opponents?
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Post by: Coach C on February 14, 2012, 09:59:14 AM
I kind of doubt that Cabrini's facility, given the locker room constraints, could host a sectional.  It's a wonderful place to play a small college basketball game, but the team spaces are a bit tight for that many teams.  The folks there did a great job hosing the pod last year, but the step up is a steep one!

As for whether they're in or not, my gut says they can lose 2 and still be in with some help, lose one and anywhere I think the Cavs still dance, but the safe play is to win out!

C
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Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2012, 10:16:08 AM
Swiss... losing hurts, period because it adds another regional loss to your record. Losing also does not bloster your SOS in any way, even to a bad team. Honestly, losing to Keystone will hurt a bit more because Keystone will then have a win vs. Cabrini in the "results vs. regionally ranked opponents." That means when it comes to deciding who is where on the rankings... Cabrini could fall behind Keystone - though there are other factors like that SOS that come into play.

I agree with Coach C... I think they can take a loss and be okay... but a second loss and they could be in trouble, especially if there are a number of upsets of teams that pretty much a lock to get into the NCAA tournament.

The problem is that Cabrini's SOS is not stellar... it's good... but not stellar and that can make it a challenge when comparing them to other national teams come selection time.

Also, not sure about the Sectional Round... I have seen teams get it with facilities that weren't terrific (everyone talks about the fact Rochester has hosted despite not a lot of room around their basketball court - especially off the end lines), but at the same time if it is between them and another school that has a better facility, that other school will probably be picked, no matter where they rank compared to Cabrini.

There is also the factor of who is in the bracket with Cabrini... remember last year St. Mary's and Middlebury had to travel to Rochester to play in the sectional. Middlebury was technically "1" and St. Mary's was technically "2"... but because it would have meant flying St. Mary's to Middlebury... the sectional was moved to Rochester to allow just a bus trip - these are key factors when it comes to hosting the sectionals.
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Post by: Coach C on February 14, 2012, 11:45:30 AM
Umm - first let me say that I meant to say 'hosting' and not 'hosing.'

Second, there is no way ANYONE in the MA is flying anywhere, so DMac is right on saying that sectionals located in areas central to the two regions involved will have an advantage to the hosting discussion.
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Post by: Swisscheese on February 14, 2012, 07:51:19 PM
Thank you Gentlemen, that clears that up.  Guess its time to just wait and see what happens and how 500 miles can play a role in who hosts.   So if Radnor is located centrally amongst the teams in the bracket this means hosting a second round is still possible despite facility constraints.   Sometimes its easier to lose one or two and get that monkey off your back I guess......lol.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2012, 11:51:49 PM
I will remind Coach C that St. Mary's flew to St. Louis for the Sectionals a few years back... BUT SMC had SHOCKED everyone by beating Guilford in the first round - clearly no one saw that coming! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on February 15, 2012, 09:01:55 AM
Guess tonights Cabrini vs Keystone game is still a big one with implications for the post season. Although F&M is stacked with some bigs, and will be a tall order for anyone especially if they are underated. 

As I have heard before gaurds can beat bigs so it should be interesting if there is a Cabrini F&M game some where down the road. 
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Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 15, 2012, 10:18:07 AM
F&M does have some athletic "bigs" in Salandra & Gyokchyan. But clearly Dips best player is 4 year starter and All-American (1st, 2nd or 3d team depending on the source) Georgio Milligan. He is about 6'1" and has led the team in scoring, blocked shots and this year he leads the conference in 3 point shooting %. If Cabrini is not physical inside there could be issues with F&M. I've not seen Cavs this year and am sure they play a nice athletic uptempo game. A key to this theoretical match-up is whether Porter 6'3" a great athlete and/or Milligan could contain Lemons, who I've seen in prior years and he is excellent. Cavs coach said to McHugh on Hoopsville that he thought they matched up well with Dips based on a film of the Neumann game (1st game of the year). Based on the horrible way F&M played that game I thought they might be a 14 win team, needless to say they found Salandra their stride. It would be a great game, nice if it were to happen locally.
Here's to both teams winning out till they play each other.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 15, 2012, 12:39:04 PM
Salandra has added a whole new dimension to F&M since the Neumann game.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on February 15, 2012, 04:56:39 PM
Cabrini has some depth as well as some physical players should be a heck of a game if it happens.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on February 15, 2012, 07:11:15 PM
10-8 keystone .................5 minutes gone
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on February 15, 2012, 07:24:10 PM
9 left in half...........tied 23-23
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on February 15, 2012, 07:33:59 PM
oh well lost video.....lol
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on February 15, 2012, 08:20:18 PM
was 40 40 early second half no broadcast again.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 15, 2012, 10:10:12 PM
Congrats to the Cavs!  18-0 in conference.  UNDEFEATED first time in 16 years.  Now on to the conference playoffs.  Cabrini #1 and Keystone #2.  Immaculata wins tonight and clinches the 6th seed.  Plays at GMC on Saturday.  Neumann wins and will travel to Rosemont.  Great job on RC getting a home playoff game.   Cavs will know opponent on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on February 17, 2012, 09:30:37 AM
Do any teams get a buy in the NCAA first round if there are 26 games =52 teams on March 2nd how do you get 62 in tourney?   March 3rd they would play 2nd round of tourney (still first round) to get to sectionals.

Does this mean top teams in nation get some kind of a bye?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 17, 2012, 10:19:32 AM
Several teams will get byes.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on February 17, 2012, 10:52:00 AM
thx Does this mean any of the seeds in the Mid Atlantic will get a bye? Or must a team be ranked in the top 3 in nation ?  Assuming a team like Cabrini wins out and had the best numbers this does not mean a bye correct?  Sorry what I am asking is what is the bye based on in the first round of NCAA tourney?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2012, 11:26:15 AM
The chances of a team in the Mid-Atlantic are slim... those byes have nothing to do with national rankings... but two other factors: geographical location and regional ranking.

Usually we see byes in Texas, California, and the Northwest.... those are examples of teams being located in areas that getting a normal four-team pod there is too much of a challenge logistically and financially.

There have also been byes in the Northeast... that had to do more with regional ranking (top dog in that region) and not a need to put in other byes else where.

Also, with a 62 team tournament, I believe there will only be two byes this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on February 17, 2012, 09:29:42 PM
Actually makes sense ! !    Thank you Dave.   
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 18, 2012, 01:42:49 PM
Thoughts on today's games.  As well as IU has played to get into the CSAC tourney, I don't see them beating Griffins on the road.  Give this one to Gwynedd.  Neumann at Rosemont is a little tougher to figure out.  RC has played well at home and this is their first ever playoff game.  Neumann has been erratic this year.  I'm gonna say NU over RC.  Decided in the last minute.  But I could be wrong on this one.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 18, 2012, 09:59:16 PM
Needless to say I am surprised by today's outcomes.  Never thought Immaculata would beat GMC much less by so much.  Thought Neumann would win, but didn't think it would be a blowout.  IU shot well from the field and had the advantage on the boards.  They get the honor of playing the Cavaliers now on Tuesday and Neumann gets to make the trek out to La Plume and Keystone.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 21, 2012, 02:45:56 PM
Start of the playoffs for the Cavaliers.  IU has played well against Cabrini this year.  Coach Chadwin knows how to work the game to his team's advantage.  Mighty Macs are playing well.  They will need to step up their game if they expect to beat the Cavs.  Neumann has given Keystone some trouble this year, though they've lost 2x to them. This is the year, I believe, KC gets to the final game.  Good luck to all teams and always:

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 23, 2012, 08:46:49 AM
Hello CSAC peeps.... Had a quick question for you guys.... I saw a school named Bryn Athyn College just minutes from Philadelphia (I think near Gywnedd Mercy) will be starting a Men's program in the '13-'14 season. Their athletics page says they will be NCAA in the very near future. Have you heard any rumblings whether or not they join the CSAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2012, 06:02:53 PM
Hope to be D-III, I would say. I haven't seen them on any list yet of schools in provisional or exploratory status. They have to have the right number of sports before they can even apply, so to say it will be the very near future might be exaggerating things a bit.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 24, 2012, 06:03:17 AM
Big night at the Dixon Center for the CSAC final.  Keystone travels down to Radnor to take on the Cavs.  Will be a great game tonight.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 24, 2012, 08:34:13 AM
Big advantage for Cabrini-long drive for Keystone.
Still looking forward to an F&M/Cabrini game.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 24, 2012, 10:35:35 PM
Congrats to Cabrini.  Three time CSAC Regular Season and Tourney Champions.  First time a threepeat winner since the 92-98 Cabrini teams did it.  Aaron Walton-Moss had a monster game on the boards (18) also had 18 points and was named MVP.  Congrats to him. 

Gordon it is always good to see you.  See everyone next week.  Should be interesting to see who the Cavs have next Friday. 

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 25, 2012, 08:02:28 AM
Quote from: Swisscheese on February 23, 2012, 05:29:37 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 23, 2012, 08:46:49 AM
Hello CSAC peeps.... Had a quick question for you guys.... I saw a school named Bryn Athyn College just minutes from Philadelphia (I think near Gywnedd Mercy) will be starting a Men's program in the '13-'14 season. Their athletics page says they will be NCAA in the very near future. Have you heard any rumblings whether or not they join the CSAC?

All I know is they are adding 5 sports to compete in compliance with NCAA and will be DIII.  I personally have heard no rumblings but would not doubt if a CSAC team would drop out the way the economy is with these small schools and budgets.  Also one never knows if a school will join another conference like the MAC say a Keystone or Cabrini , I will keep my ears open for ya though.

Thanks so much.... That would be a scary conference to join with all the talent! I could see a school like that going to the NEAC like PSU Abington. Anyway, congrats to Cabrini and coach Small.... I would like to see Nevada Smith and Keystone get an invite to the big dance! I like that guy....
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 25, 2012, 08:05:44 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2012, 06:02:53 PM
Hope to be D-III, I would say. I haven't seen them on any list yet of schools in provisional or exploratory status. They have to have the right number of sports before they can even apply, so to say it will be the very near future might be exaggerating things a bit.

Wow I got the big dawg Pat Coleman responding, thanks Pat, I know how busy you are! Are these lists available to view somewhere? Would be neat to see..... Also, I did not mean to say "Very near future" I should have quoted their AD better. He mentioned in a press release near future, maybe he meant applying but it did not say. Thanks anyway!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 25, 2012, 01:03:49 PM
And no offense.  Let's hope they're not on a list for the CSAC. There are enough "little sisters of the poor" in this conference.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 26, 2012, 10:39:21 AM
So with Cabrini, F&M and Messiah in, is there a chance they all go to Cabrini? If Penn State Harrisburg was to win today, would they round out that four if so? Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 26, 2012, 12:07:09 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 26, 2012, 10:39:21 AM
So with Cabrini, F&M and Messiah in, is there a chance they all go to Cabrini? If Penn State Harrisburg was to win today, would they round out that four if so? Thanks

Maybe Messiah and PSH.  I see F&M probably getting a pod themselves.  But with the "proximity" to Cabrini, they might be sent elsewhere.  Won't know until tomorrow.  Remember they still could send teams from the Atlantic as well as the East region to Cabrini.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 26, 2012, 01:45:25 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 26, 2012, 12:07:09 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on February 26, 2012, 10:39:21 AM
So with Cabrini, F&M and Messiah in, is there a chance they all go to Cabrini? If Penn State Harrisburg was to win today, would they round out that four if so? Thanks

Maybe Messiah and PSH.  I see F&M probably getting a pod themselves.  But with the "proximity" to Cabrini, they might be sent elsewhere.  Won't know until tomorrow.  Remember they still could send teams from the Atlantic as well as the East region to Cabrini.

Makes sense, thanks.... i was thinking why not F&M for a pod as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 26, 2012, 05:17:43 PM
PSH won't be in.  It's Morrisville St. from the NEAC.  They could send Morrisville in to the MidAtlantic as it is only 239 miles away from Cabrini and 257 to F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2012, 05:18:48 PM

Look like I'll be headed up to Cabrini again this Friday.  I don't think the pod is nearly as good as last year's, but I'm hoping for some excitement.

When/if you hear about ticket info, someone post and let me know.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 27, 2012, 08:17:27 PM
I heard they will be selling at the door.   There will probably be tickets available.  Teams are from Vermont (327 Miles), Ohio (479) and New York (299).  I don't know how well those teams' fans travel, but I'm sure there will be tickets available.  Spring break starts for Cabrini that weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 27, 2012, 08:22:26 PM
Also Cavs now ranked 5th!   Wow what a year.  Won't matter much if they don't do well in the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on February 27, 2012, 08:37:53 PM
Congratulations to the Cabrini Cavaliers now ranked 5th in the nation.  Looking forward to the weekend so who are the cinderella teams that will pull the upsets?  Misery? They have a tough task of travel so thinking F&M will come out of their pod unscathed.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2012, 09:07:48 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 27, 2012, 08:17:27 PM
I heard they will be selling at the door.   There will probably be tickets available.  Teams are from Vermont (327 Miles), Ohio (479) and New York (299).  I don't know how well those teams' fans travel, but I'm sure there will be tickets available.  Spring break starts for Cabrini that weekend.

Any word on prices?  Start times?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 28, 2012, 10:52:15 AM
$6.00
Game 1 5:30pm Hobart vs Ohio Wesleyan
Game 2 7:30pm Castleton St. at Cabrini

See you there!!

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 28, 2012, 11:02:43 AM
It loos like Keystone didn't take the ECAC invite again(or they didn't apply).  I don't understand that.  Why wouldn't you want to continue your season.  I guess you could applaud the NCAA or bust idea, but why wouldn't you want to say that you won the D3 NIT?  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2012, 11:42:28 AM
Is Keystone an ECAC member?  I didn't see their name on the list.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 28, 2012, 11:53:59 AM
Thanks Reserved.  I didn't even check the list.  :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 28, 2012, 03:58:57 PM
Keystone is part of ECAC but didn't apply for the tournament. That's what their coach told me on Friday night.  I didn't ask why.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 28, 2012, 05:57:31 PM
gordonmann,
Under what name is Keystone listed for ECAC membership? I don't see them listed.
http://www.ecac.org/membership/division_III/index

Also, numerous Centennial Conference members weren't listed.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on February 28, 2012, 08:02:37 PM
Interesting I see Keystone also defeated Oswego if I am not mistaken.  Would have thought they would have been in the big dance but a bad lose to Rosemont really did hurt their chances besides 3 regional loses to the Cavs.  In my humbled opinion it seems if Cabrini takes care of business they could come out of their pod as well.

Friday Cabrini faces a high scoring machine, similiar to a game I saw very early in the year (Widener) , the Cavs adjusted to the high paced offense which used the press most of the game and did well, although the Cavs are a bit deeper now, however I noticed the team from Vermont has a deep roster as well.  Most of their guys play 10 minutes and are always fresh it seems they use the three shot as well on the perimeter moving the ball.  If the Cavs play defense and handle the press the game should go their way unless they come out shooting a low percentage and fall behind early by 15 or 20...
 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 28, 2012, 09:46:59 PM
QuoteUnder what name is Keystone listed for ECAC membership? I don't see them listed.
http://www.ecac.org/membership/division_III/index

Hm, interesting. I thought the coach said they were members but maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 28, 2012, 09:57:33 PM
I think Castleton State utilizes the System that Grinnell (Iowa) uses or a derivative of it.

Here's Castleton State's stats...
http://www.csc.vsc.edu/athletics/mbasketball/stats/teamstat.htm

And here is Grinnell's...
http://wm.grinnell.edu/athletics/mbasketball/statistics/MBK1112/teamcume.htm

Notice the similarities.  Both teams have a lot of guys who've taken over 100 shots.  Both teams have a lot of guys with double-digit minutes. Both teams have a lot of guys who score.  Both teams have taken a ton of threes.

If you're not familiar with The System, there's been a lot written on the subject.  ESPN and Sports Illustrated have written about it (as have we).  Here's one breakdown on how it works.  For Grinnell, there's actually a formula that determines how many shots they want to take. 

http://www.bball360.com/apps/blog/show/3876559-the-grinnell-basketball-offensive-system

I've never seen a System team before so I'm looking forward to Casleton State.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 29, 2012, 02:28:05 PM
You can learn more about Castleton St. Thursday night on Hoopsville... we are hoping to nail down when they will be on a very jammed packed show!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on February 29, 2012, 08:30:55 PM
Well Cabrini can match up man to man and on the perimeter so if the Cavs control the tempo and out rebound them even if they try to crash the boards in packs, and Cabrini does well with an offensive full court press as far as I have seen leading one to believe the Cavs may have athleticism, more speed, and outside shooting to go along with a host advantage.  It will be interesting to see two different systems clash, but I think if the Cavs shoot well or get into the paint with freedom its gonna be over fast.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 29, 2012, 11:11:53 PM
Thanks Dave.  I'll listen when I get home from work.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on March 01, 2012, 05:09:09 PM
Cavs have to out rebound them thats the game in a nutshell.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2012, 07:39:40 PM

I've been to Grinnell for a game.  I'll be at Cabrini tomorrow night (once again, likely the only person in the gym with an Eastern Nazarene College shirt on).  I think Castleton is using some of the Grinnell principles, but isn't sold out to it.  We'll see.

I don't think Cabrini will have much of an issue this weekend.  They may lack some height eventually - which was their downfall last year, but I have great respect for Mr. Lemons.  They're favorites against almost anybody with him running the show.

I'm looking forward to the early game, though - should be a really great match-up.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2012, 07:46:14 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 28, 2012, 09:57:33 PM
I think Castleton State utilizes the System that Grinnell (Iowa) uses or a derivative of it.

Here's Castleton State's stats...
http://www.csc.vsc.edu/athletics/mbasketball/stats/teamstat.htm

And here is Grinnell's...
http://wm.grinnell.edu/athletics/mbasketball/statistics/MBK1112/teamcume.htm

Notice the similarities.  Both teams have a lot of guys who've taken over 100 shots.  Both teams have a lot of guys with double-digit minutes. Both teams have a lot of guys who score.  Both teams have taken a ton of threes.

If you're not familiar with The System, there's been a lot written on the subject.  ESPN and Sports Illustrated have written about it (as have we).  Here's one breakdown on how it works.  For Grinnell, there's actually a formula that determines how many shots they want to take. 

http://www.bball360.com/apps/blog/show/3876559-the-grinnell-basketball-offensive-system

I've never seen a System team before so I'm looking forward to Casleton State.

I don't think they're full-on "system."  They're certainly using a lot of players and shooting some threes, but if you look at the individual game box scores you don't see the kind of opponent stat lines that you do with a GC team.

Really, only Redlands, for a while, were really sold out to "the system."  I made the pilgrimage to Iowa a few years ago - and the experience is truly unique.  In the GC system the opponents almost never even take a three point shot because if they get that close there's an open basket for an easy lay-up.

You also see a lot more fouls because of the intensity of the press.  That press will be the determiner.  GC plays a press with all five guys in the backcourt, with one guy at half-court to run back and prevent the baseball pass.

Are you calling the game, Gordon?  Who's on the mic with you?  Maybe I'll stop by and say hello.

Both games should be awesome tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2012, 09:56:11 PM
Paul Culpo joined us on Hoopsville and said, paraphrasing: "It would be an insult to Grinnell to say we are playing their system."

I took this to mean that they just weren't playing it as well as Grinnell did, this being their first year. Takes a while to adjust.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2012, 10:03:51 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2012, 09:56:11 PM
Paul Culpo joined us on Hoopsville and said, paraphrasing: "It would be an insult to Grinnell to say we are playing their system."

I took this to mean that they just weren't playing it as well as Grinnell did, this being their first year. Takes a while to adjust.

Yeah, their opponents are still taking quite a few threes, which means Castleton is getting back on defense more than Grinnell would.  You know the re-learning of basketball instincts to run the system the way GC does takes long time.  It seems like most of the coaches who try to use it also try to adapt it to be a bit more "normal," which ruins the math.

I'll see tomorrow.  It will be interesting.  I love the system.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2012, 10:57:17 PM
Or it could mean that Castleton's opponents simply haven't learned what MWC teams know.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2012, 11:05:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2012, 10:57:17 PM
Or it could mean that Castleton's opponents simply haven't learned what MWC teams know.

They played Colby-Sawyer in the conference final - there's no chance Bill Foti keeps a kid on the floor if he passes up a layup to pull up from three.

Ultimately, we'll find out tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 02, 2012, 12:24:18 AM
Hoops fan:

Yep. I'm on the call with Coach C.  Please do stop by to say hello.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 02, 2012, 05:11:37 AM
Looking forward to seeing you again and Coach C tonight.  Will be another great night at the Dixon Center tonight.  Looking forward to both games. 

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on March 02, 2012, 09:08:06 AM
Very interesting, I still think Cavs have speed and if they can out rebound their opponent on the boards it will be difficult to maintain  the press for Castleton, plus the Cavs if they play up to the level they can will be able to hit from outside or get in the paint.  The Cavs may even be able to address the height issue better this year (I know ya cant teach height) with their speed but time will tell, hope to make it out to Radnor tonight and watch both games.  Favorite time of the year!

Hey Dave & Pat..... if Cabrini some how takes care of business this weekend, what is the possibility of them hosting another round as Wooster did last year? 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on March 02, 2012, 09:59:43 AM
  Geographically, I'll lobby for Scranton to host. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2012, 10:22:50 AM
ronk,
You must be an optimist.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on March 02, 2012, 11:01:51 AM
Scranton would not be a bad thing, if Cabrini does not have a chance, I would like that Ronk, but you know............probably not a chance.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on March 02, 2012, 11:16:34 AM
  Yes, hope trumping experience.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2012, 01:18:31 PM

They'll try to stick with seeding.  We're all guessing Cabrini is the #1 seed, but if both they and Middlebury make it out, then we'll really know.  I might expect Midd to host, especially if Oswego is also there.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2012, 10:50:40 PM
Just got back from Cabrini.  One great game and one giant joke.

Hobart and Ohio Wesleyan was awesome.  Craziest game I've seen in a while.  Hobart came out scared and OWU came out tight.  Wesleyan missed a bunch of easy shots in the first half, which kept Hobart in it.  Once they got over the nerves, they weren't too far behind, so they still had some confidence.

OWU was the better team all the way around, on the court.  Winters, the PG was spectacular.  Davis, sat quite a few minutes in both halves and really didn't get into the flow of the offense much.  The team was working so well and seemingly in control of the game, he didn't really need to do so.

Hobarts big man was held without a FG until 20 seconds left in the game.  He had made a ton of bad passes and no one could figure out why he played so many minutes.  Then, in that 20 second span, he drove the lane for two, made a steal and got fouled, hit a FT, missed the second, but then scored to take the lead.

Mike Neer, in my mind, won the game.  He simply coached a masterful performance out of an overmatched squad.  There's some real, young talent there for the future, but two games this year is an amazing success.

I don't think they have any chance to beat Cabrini tomorrow, but impressive night for Hobart.

Cabrini can play.  They've got a roster stocked with athletes that really doesn't drop off much at all from 2-10.  #1 is obviously Cory Lemons.  The man is amazing and he actually seems to give a crap this year.  They played sloppy, but against the monstrosity that was Castleton, there's not much else you could expect.

Castleton plays about 1.5 out of the five pillars of the Grinnell system.  They rotate a full five guys in and out about every 90 seconds or so.  They shoot lots of threes and run around like madmen on offense.  They do not press, although the do matchup full court (and Lemons, generally, made them look silly) and they don't send guys to the offensive boards.  They also are pretty methodical on offense.

In the end, they just didn't have height or athletes to compete with Cabrini.  The game was not nearly as close as the scoreboard indicated.  I give credit to the coach, they had to play this was to win their conference, but with the talent they had, there was a limit.  The guys played hard and they never gave up.  They cut a nearly 30 point lead to 13 with a couple minutes to go.  Castleton can be proud of their boys.

Cabrini is better than I thought and they're better than last year.  This year's team would not have lost to last year's Wooster team, for what it's worth.  I don't know if I'll make it back tomorrow, but it will be nice to see them in a "regular" game at some point to judge poise and decision-making.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 03, 2012, 12:54:41 AM
my metrics lead me to believe that Cabrini/Hobart should be a fine game, and a clash of styles.  Hobart slow, Cabrini fast.  Both rebound well, Hobart probably has a bit better defense.  The achilles heel might be ft shooting.  the last five weeks, Cabrini appears to be shooting under 70% from the line, Hobart over 77%.  I have hobart in a close one
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2012, 12:11:05 PM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 03, 2012, 12:54:41 AM
my metrics lead me to believe that Cabrini/Hobart should be a fine game, and a clash of styles.  Hobart slow, Cabrini fast.  Both rebound well, Hobart probably has a bit better defense.  The achilles heel might be ft shooting.  the last five weeks, Cabrini appears to be shooting under 70% from the line, Hobart over 77%.  I have hobart in a close one

Did you see the two games last night?  Obviously Hobart can win the game, but I don't see Cabrini giving them the help Ohio Wesleyan gave them.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on March 03, 2012, 01:52:06 PM
Cabrini can turn it up another couple of notches if you can believe it.........and they were not all healthy this year but are starting to gell a little now.  Hobart will make for a closer more conventional game but the Cavs have a balanced attack , the edge with their gaurds, and have too many weapons.  The game will be close on the scoreboard but Cabrini can get more physical and out rebound many teams if they have too........they are a force to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 03, 2012, 10:56:39 PM
Wow.  What a night at the Dixon Center tonight!!! Cavs win 90-88.  It was looking a little tenuous for awhile.  Game changing play at end of first half, saw 2 of Hobarts main players ejected for rushing onto the court after a potential tie up ruled as a t/o for Hobart.  Still Cavs trailed again at the half.  This time only by 8(as opposed to 15 last year).  Yelled my lungs out tonight.  Certainly I was not quite over the top tonight.  ;)  Congrats to the Cavaliers again.  Back to back sweet 16's.  Let's get further this year.  Up next Eastern Connecticut who won in 2OT.  It will be Cabrini vs EConn and Middlebury vs Scranton.  Let's go MidAtlantic.  Could meet up in the Elite8.  Here's hoping!!!  ;D

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 03, 2012, 11:00:58 PM
Two ejections-which 2 players-definately a game changer.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 03, 2012, 11:09:27 PM
Hobart's #10 Andy Stern their PG and #32 Peer(Had him mixed up with someone else as the starter).  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 03, 2012, 11:59:53 PM
It made a huge difference. While Peer isn't a starter, he was playing critical minutes in a very short forward rotation for Hobart.

That was one of the best NCAA tournament games I've seen. Great intensity from both teams. Energized crowd. Tight battle. Very entertaining stuff.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Bucket on March 04, 2012, 11:59:25 AM
Middlebury will be hosting the sectional.

See you all in Vermont!

http://www.middlebury.edu/athletics/sports/mensbasketball/archive/2011-2012/news/node/356092
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on March 05, 2012, 08:39:36 PM
see you there Bucket we bringing the heat with us too if its cold up there !   Middlebury we comin to see you but first East conn....... interesting how GMC took Middlebury to the end of game 76-70 very early in season,  should be a great weekend of hoops up on Main Street at the pepin gym....hope there are some nice bars up there too.  Is it snowin up there anyone know ?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Bucket on March 05, 2012, 10:02:41 PM
Quote from: Swisscheese on March 05, 2012, 08:39:36 PM
see you there Bucket we bringing the heat with us too if its cold up there !   Middlebury we comin to see you but first East conn....... interesting how GMC took Middlebury to the end of game 76-70 very early in season,  should be a great weekend of hoops up on Main Street at the pepin gym....hope there are some nice bars up there too.  Is it snowin up there anyone know ?

That was the first game of the season, and Ryan Sharry--our first team AA forward and big contender for national player of the year--wasn't playing due to an injury.

Hardly any snow on the ground, and there certainly won't be by the weekend. 50s later this week, high 40s on Friday and Saturday.

I second your sentiment about good hoops this weekend. Should be a lot of fun. Feel free to come say hello...I'll be doing the P.A. for all three games.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on March 06, 2012, 11:12:41 AM
Thanks for the hospitality Bucket.......looks like a beautiful place up there.  I will try to find you, looking forward to a nice stay in Middlebury and some great hoops.  Cabrini is hungry, fast and lots of heart this year also are unrelentless on boards despite some height, looks like EConn is similiar so should be a good match-up, after that the Middlebury style vs the Cabrini style and will be interesting if we get past EC, otherwise hoping for a fun filled weekend in the Vermont Hills.  See ya man.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on March 06, 2012, 01:12:04 PM
sorry bucket....lack of height on boards but lightning fast speed .....
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 06, 2012, 01:17:19 PM
Great story about 2 pg in the MidAtlantic regions on the front page, Lemons from Cabrini and Milligan from F&M.

http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2012/senior-guards (http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2012/senior-guards)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on March 06, 2012, 02:27:57 PM
Mailsy, GOOD Luck Friday night to Cabrini -beat Eastern Connecticut!  If you're going to the game, have fun!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 06, 2012, 03:30:24 PM
I wish.  :'(  Unfortunately work takes precedence.  I'll be following at work on Friday  and watching on Saturday online after work.
Swiss will be going.  I am expecting updates.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 08, 2012, 10:12:40 PM
Good luck to everyone travelling Friday.  I'll be following the game with livestats.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: magicman on March 09, 2012, 06:07:40 PM

Cabrini leads Eastern Connecticut 29-23 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: magicman on March 09, 2012, 07:08:58 PM
Cabrini defeats Eastern Connecticut 72-65.

Eastern Connecticut put on a furious rally as they were down by 14, 65-51 with 1:24 left to play and they cut it to 67-63 with 17 seconds left. Too little too late for the Warriors.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 09, 2012, 09:47:08 PM
Congrats to the Cavs!!  First time to the elite 8.  Next up the Scranton Royals.  How about that?

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on March 10, 2012, 08:35:51 AM
Amazing, Mailsy, GOOD LUCK!  One of our illustrious Scranton posters gave Cabrini to the MAC this morning.  hint, not Ronk.  Oh  well, should be one heck of a game!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 10, 2012, 05:09:31 PM
I saw that and chuckled.  There were talks years ago that Cabrini was looking at the MAC but that fell thru.  Should be a great game tonight.  Scranton led most of the game at Cabrini until the end back in December.  I expect a hard fought game again!  :)

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 10, 2012, 11:09:07 PM
Congrats to Cabrini.  Great job Cavs.  To the Final four.  :)  First time in program history.  Two more games to go.  Up next Illinois Wesleyan on Friday 3/16 at 6:00pm in Salem.  GO CAVS!!!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on March 11, 2012, 12:11:31 AM
  Congrats to Cabrini, good luck in Salem. Walton-Moss was the difference - 1-on-1, steals, rebounds - Scranton had no answer for him. Wish it had been @ Cabrini; would have been there.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: 7express on March 11, 2012, 12:18:21 AM
Congrats to Cabrini, good luck in the final 4!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on March 11, 2012, 10:20:34 AM
Huge congratulations to Cabrini Nation & their Number One Fan on this site, Mailsy!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 11, 2012, 10:33:49 AM
Thanks Kate!!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 11, 2012, 05:04:16 PM
cabrini will have to play exceptionally well friday if it wants to have a chance to beat illinois wesleyan.  unlike the csac, the cciw is filled with incredibly tough teams that are well-prepared for tournament play.  (the cciw had three teams in the Sweet 16.)  this will be, by far, the toughest opponent cabrini has faced this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on March 11, 2012, 05:06:46 PM
Illinois Wesleyan (23-7, 10-4 CCIW) vs Cabrini (30-1, 18-0 CSAC)...

- D3hoops.com Top 25 rank: Cabrini #5, IWU n/a
- Massey Index rank: IWU #8, Cabrini #12
- Massey Strength of Schedule rating: IWU #2, Cabrini #245


PG
(CC) Cory Lemons, 5-10 Sr - 17.7 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 6.5 apg, 1.1 A/TO (196-403 FG, .486)
(IWU) Eliud Gonzalez, 5-9/170 Sr - 6.5 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 5.5 apg, 2.3 A/TO (62-144 FG, .431)

SG
(IWU) Jordan Zimmer, 6-5/190 Sr - 15.5 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.9 apg (102-242 3-point, .421)
(CC) A.J. Williams, 5-10 Jr - 9.3 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 1.4 apg (22-70 3-point, .314)

G/F
(CC) John Boyd, 6-3 Sr - 10.9 ppg, 3.7 rpg (48-158 3-point, .304)
(IWU) John Koschnitzky, 6-6/205 Sr - 9.4 ppg, 3.2 rpg (93-236 FG, .394)

F
(IWU) Victor Davis, 6-5/225 So - 10.8 ppg, 4.9 rpg (124-244 FG, .508)
(CC) Fran Rafferty, 6-4 So - 9.7 ppg, 5.0 rpg (34-87 3-point, .391)

F/C
(IWU) Kevin Reed, 6-7/225 Jr - 8.8 ppg, 5.9 rpg (116-194 FG, .598)
(CC) Goran Dulac, 6-7 Jr - 6.3 ppg, 5.9 rpg (73-150 FG, .487)

Bench

(CC) Jeremy Knowles (G), 6-1 Jr - 12.6 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.4 apg (53-151 3-point, .351)
(CC) Aaron Walton-Moss (G), 6-1 Fr - 11.7 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 1.6 apg (77-125 FG, .616)
(CC) Jon Miller (F/C), 6-6 So - 4.1 ppg, 3.5 rpg, (44-78 FG, .564)
(CC) Abraham Bah (F), 6-4 Jr - 4.6 ppg, 2.7 rpg (28-81 FG, .486)

(IWU) Andrew Ziemnik (F), 6-5/225 So - 7.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg (72-165 FG, .436)
(IWU) Stephen Rudnicki (G), 6-3/173 Sr - 6.4 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 2.2 apg (30-65 FG, .422)
(IWU) Nick Anderson (C), 6-9/200 So - 4.2 ppg, 2.8 rpg (47-89 FG, .528)
(IWU) Eric Dortch (F), 6-3/210 So - 3.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg (29-73 FG, .397)


Team stats...

PPG
Cabrini - 85.1
IWU - 76.5

Opp PPG
IWU - 66.2
Cabrini - 71.8

FG
Cabrini - .470
IWU - .465

Opp FG
Cabrini - .411
IWU - .413

3-point
IWU - .363
Cabrini - .355

Opp 3-point
Cabrini - .301
IWU - .357

Reb. Margin
Cabrini - +8.9 per game
IWU - +5.9/game

FT
Cabrini - .701
IWU - .678

A/TO
Cabrini - 1.1
IWU - 1.1

Opp A/TO
IWU - 0.7
Cabrini - 0.8
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 11, 2012, 05:18:14 PM

I've only seen IWU for the last ten minutes and OT of the Hope game on video.  I've seen Cabrini in person and on video a couple of times.

The teams, I think, are overall evenly matched.  IWU has more experience with really top-notch teams, but Cabrini doesn't lack in confidence and they've got crazy athleticism.

The two things to watch, for me, are how Cabrini deals with the height of IWU.  They had some trouble with Hobart down low and IWU is going to be bigger and more talented there.  Cabrini hits the boards hard as a team, but the post defense could be an issue.

The second thing is Jordan Zimmer.  The Hope game had a lot to do with post play, so I don't feel like I have a good handle on all his abilities, but he's big and can shoot.  Cabrini's best defenders are smaller guards.  If Zimmer can take advantage of match-ups, he could really run them over.

I've heard Gonzalez plays great perimeter defense.  If he can keep Lemons from getting penetration, that will be a huge advantage - it's easier said than done, but it's possible.  Both games this weekend should be extremely fun to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: heatlee on March 11, 2012, 06:57:35 PM
There is a major connection with the Minnesota Timberwolves and the Cabrini vs. Illinois Wesleyan game. Two memebers of their staff played at the Division III level.

Jack Sikma - Illinois Wesleyan (Assistant Coach)
Pat Zipfel - Cabrini (Advanced Scout)

Timberwolves Roster http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/roster/
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 11, 2012, 10:39:23 PM
There is actually another Timberwolves connection... MIT assistant Paul Grant (7-0) was drafted by Minnesota in the first round of the 1997 draft (20th overall). He then played three years at Minnesota while also playing at Milwaukee and Utah along with other pro stops.

Had a chance to talk with him the other night... great guy and a wealth of knowledge on and off the court.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2012, 11:13:36 PM
That's not a connection to the Cabrini-IWU game, though. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on March 12, 2012, 09:53:21 AM
love it when Cavs have no chance to win, and when everyone says height will be an issue...  love it when every opponent is bigger but never slower or can't run the floor.  Cabrini has to be the most hated team in country it seems.  Love it when they are going to be the biggest disappointment in  tourney and love it when their strength of schedule is poor............ just sayin.....
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on March 12, 2012, 12:21:31 PM
Tickets 25.00 for all weekend games ( one ticket good for all games) Cabrini has some advanced sales or else you have to wait. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 12, 2012, 04:36:59 PM
Congratulations to Cory Lemons Co-Player of the year and Coach of the Year - Marcus Kahn.  Cory has been a very special player and the Cavalier community, including myself, has had the opportunity to watch a very special player.  It has been an honor to cheer for him these last three years.  His final game will be in Salem and he will be missed.  Marcus has done a fantastic job with this team.  Here 4 years and conference COY in all four years he has been here.  Now it's topped off with a regional COY.  Congrats to him.  Here is hoping as an alumn that he will be at Cabrini for a lot of years to come to continue coaching these young men that he brings into the program.  Looking forward to Salem and as always:


GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 12, 2012, 04:42:41 PM
Also congrats go to Kenneth Hardnett from Keystone who gained 3rd team all region in the MA.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on March 12, 2012, 05:49:14 PM
Hey Mailsy will ESPN broadcast the final game?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 12, 2012, 05:52:41 PM
Turner Sports and the NCAA will broadcast the games from Salem - all four - this weekend. They will be streamed online. We will have links on the front page or through the scoreboard page of D3hoops.com.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on March 13, 2012, 09:08:02 AM
Thank you Dave.....maybe get to see you there?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 13, 2012, 11:22:42 AM
Well... I will be there for sure!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on March 13, 2012, 02:04:05 PM
  So how did Cory Lemons choose Cabrini - IOW, how did all those lower D1 schools miss him?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 13, 2012, 04:48:36 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 13, 2012, 02:04:05 PM
  So how did Cory Lemons choose Cabrini - IOW, how did all those lower D1 schools miss him?

One of the Cabrini guys can fill in on more specific information, but I think Lemons is a little older than the average student and may not have headed to college right after HS.  He's from Wilmington, DE, which is just a half hour from Cabrini.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on March 13, 2012, 08:05:28 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 13, 2012, 11:22:42 AM
Well... I will be there for sure!

Wolfpac and Swiss will find you up in the press box or down in the press box and remember "FEAR THE BEARD"  Cory Lemons
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 13, 2012, 09:27:03 PM
Tomorrow on campus between 5-6pm Cabrini will have a Send-Off Event for the team in the Dixon Center!

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 14, 2012, 06:12:15 AM
Front page article on D3hoops on Cabrini's Double-Double man Aaron Walton-Moss:

http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2012/from-open-gym-to-salem
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on March 14, 2012, 09:37:34 AM
just might be fair to say Cabrini has possibly the best backcourt in the nation.....
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on March 15, 2012, 08:17:59 PM
To Cabrini, May the Force be with You!!!   GOOD LUCK!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 15, 2012, 10:10:00 PM
Thank you Kate.  I know the college and the community is really excited.  I can not wait until tomorrow nights game.  I'll be watching online.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 16, 2012, 06:59:37 AM
Wow!  We are 11 hours away from the start of the game. (Here's hoping the time gets updated.  :o) Tonight won't come fast enough ;)  Congrats to Cory Lemons 2nd team All-American(should have been first  ;)).  A lot of good guards on the AA list.  I'm sure he'll prove himself tonight!  ;D



GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 16, 2012, 06:33:39 PM
Cavs up 7. with 3:07 to the half.  Another one of those media timeouts  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 16, 2012, 06:43:30 PM
Cavs lead at the half 48-45.  John Boyd with 24 so far.   Great game.  Keep it up Cavs!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 16, 2012, 07:30:57 PM
Cabrini not playing their game.  IWU is dictating the play in the 2nd half  :(
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 16, 2012, 08:01:27 PM
That press got them going.  They dictated the play!!! Wooo Hooo!  On to the National Championship Game!  On my way down to Salem!!

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on March 16, 2012, 08:11:59 PM
Cabrini!!!!!  WOW!!!!  Congratulations!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 17, 2012, 07:32:03 AM
I had to call out from work today.  Last night with the Cavs win, I came down with a serious case of "gluteus glaucamous".  I am on my way to the championship game to recover.  8-)  See you down there.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on March 17, 2012, 10:37:49 PM
Hey Mailsy, you had one heck of a run with Cabrini this season, D3 National Runner-up is nothing to sneeze at - Congratulations to you and your Cabrini Team!  Bet you wouldn't trade this year for anything!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 18, 2012, 06:40:54 PM
Just got in 20 minutes ago and have had the game on my mind since they lost.  It was a tough way to lose.  They were this close.  31-2.  Best record in d3 this year and the SECOND BEST team overall.  No doubt.  It was a heck of a year.  Congratulations to Marcus. He did a lot with this team this year.  Best of luck to the seniors Cory Lemons, John Boyd and Greg Zabel.  Cory and John were very instrumental in the teams success this year on the court and Greg did it mostly off the court.  Greg goes down as the winningest Cavalier in the programs history 102-19.  It's sad to see it over but it was one heck of a ride!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on March 19, 2012, 09:28:58 AM
BE proud ... made history Cavs.  After all you were beating a power state school (division 2 pretty much) and had them with their hands on their hips until the foul trouble started......no regrets thanks for the memories.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on March 19, 2012, 05:05:27 PM
thank you D3 hoops.......your broadcasts etc.......keeps D3 basketball on the map its difficult when your hometown is saturated with D1 and professional teams, only you guys keep us informed sometimes with the exception of our daily local paper, the locals in Salem really know their hoops and enjoy the championship each year.  Was a real treat meeting some of the staff of D3 as well.   Time to start recruiting ! ! ! !
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 19, 2012, 08:20:15 PM
Cabrini ranked #2 by all voters in final top 25 poll.  They finally get the respect they deserved!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 19, 2012, 09:35:28 PM
You mean being ranked #5 going into the tournament wasn't respectful?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: onetinsoldier on March 20, 2012, 09:34:16 AM
in a tournament setting, deserving or not, the runner up is almost always going to garner the lion's share of #2 votes. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on March 20, 2012, 09:46:56 AM
I would assume because Cabrini had a great record but is always accused of coming out of a weak conference they were usually considered an underdog with a tall order ahead of them.   The two fouls on Miller within 16 seconds were a dagger in the heart, and questionable to say the least.  I feel bad for the seniors but still proud of the Cavs.   Filling the shoes of a player like Cory Lemons will be a tall order but the experience gained for the other 13 men is invaluable.  Just is tough to come all that way and get stung due to foul trouble.....Davis 23 was not as impressive as I thought he could be Miller played with energy and ripped down rebounds so once he got into foul trouble you saw the results.  The offensive press went off, and the defensive lapse allowed penetration and easy buckets, seemed like the Cavs were a little confused to step into the lanes because they might get called for more fouls.  The Cavs could be accused of playing too hard and physical because that is just the nature of our conference and not the slowdown tempo of the midwest & New England schools who pass and shoot until the time winds down then play to the scores  in the 50's and 60's Cabrini plays with the pedal to the metal but were taken out of their game by foul trouble, its the norm for the Cavs with the style they play to have to beat all 8 men on the court they won't give us anything easy we always have to take it so Mailsy for us to actually get a #2 seed I can feel where you are coming from ! !   The weekend was fabulous ! ! !   I just am amazed how all through the year (not just in Salem) how Cory Lemons hardly got to the line, hand checks and pushes were not called and so many times Cory made baskets as he was getting hacked but no calls.  To this end...I can only assume the hardnosed style the Cavs play are difficult for the refs to digest in the heat of the moment.   I can say one thing for certain, the Cavs did not disappoint us they were beating the best in the nation everywhere we went no matter how ya spin it, and in the natl champ game were wiping the floor until the tide turned, it is a shame but they should be proud of their program and all the hardwork.  Got the feeling everyone thought Cabrini could not go anywhere but just goes to show when you work hard anything can happen dreams come true, and don't listen to anyone else just work your tail off.  Thx for the lifetime memories , and over and above basketball the friendships made are so much more important than hoops. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on March 20, 2012, 09:56:43 AM
Quote from: onetinsoldier on March 20, 2012, 09:34:16 AM
in a tournament setting, deserving or not, the runner up is almost always going to garner the lion's share of #2 votes.

Agree 100%  Tin !
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 20, 2012, 10:38:23 AM
Quote from: Swisscheese on March 20, 2012, 09:46:56 AM
I just am amazed how all through the year (not just in Salem) how Cory Lemons hardly got to the line, hand checks and pushes were not called and so many times Cory made baskets as he was getting hacked but no calls.

I didn't see the whole season.  I saw the first and second round NCAA games and then both final four games.  To me, Lemons (either by choice or by virtue of the defense) was not able to get to the hoop as much in Salem as he did in the first couple of rounds.  To me that changed Cabrini's game quite a bit.  He also was doing less of the ball handling in Salem (maybe because of the defense?), but that also caused more turnovers than they would otherwise have had.

Obviously as teams get better, you're unable to do what you did before.  Cabrini adjusted well with Boyd stepping up, but I still think that was the difference in the Final.

The big question for Cabrini next year is not so much replacing Lemons talent and leadership - I think those things are there as the team develops, but replacing his decision-making with the ball.  Walton-Moss didn't show it; he'll have to improve that part of his game going forward.

They're an incredibly impressive squad and they should continue to do well next year.  All the best.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on March 20, 2012, 08:30:49 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 20, 2012, 10:38:23 AM
Quote from: Swisscheese on March 20, 2012, 09:46:56 AM
I just am amazed how all through the year (not just in Salem) how Cory Lemons hardly got to the line, hand checks and pushes were not called and so many times Cory made baskets as he was getting hacked but no calls.

I didn't see the whole season.  I saw the first and second round NCAA games and then both final four games.  To me, Lemons (either by choice or by virtue of the defense) was not able to get to the hoop as much in Salem as he did in the first couple of rounds.  To me that changed Cabrini's game quite a bit.  He also was doing less of the ball handling in Salem (maybe because of the defense?), but that also caused more turnovers than they would otherwise have had.

Obviously as teams get better, you're unable to do what you did before.  Cabrini adjusted well with Boyd stepping up, but I still think that was the difference in the Final.

The big question for Cabrini next year is not so much replacing Lemons talent and leadership - I think those things are there as the team develops, but replacing his decision-making with the ball.  Walton-Moss didn't show it; he'll have to improve that part of his game going forward.

They're an incredibly impressive squad and they should continue to do well next year.  All the best.

Hoops I agree about penetration in Salem, sorry I was referring to more of the conference playoffs regarding Lemons, he could not buy a foul however at this level you are correct with the caliber of skilled players being able to defend and match-up after defense wins championships, I also think his decision-making and IQ will be missed greatly.  It did change Cabrini's game especially in the final, and when Miller fouled out the lapse in defense on a big man vs big man was absent and no big man grabbing offensive rebounds or assists.  Thx Hoops hope to see ya somewhere next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 20, 2012, 10:12:31 PM
Quote from: Swisscheese on March 20, 2012, 09:46:56 AMThe Cavs could be accused of playing too hard and physical because that is just the nature of our conference and not the slowdown tempo of the midwest & New England schools who pass and shoot until the time winds down then play to the scores  in the 50's and 60's

You're making some blanket statements about whole regions of the country here, and I think that they're incorrect. There are plenty of uptempo teams in the midwest ... including the most up-tempo team in the nation, Grinnell. And D3 basketball in the midwest is very physical. I think that you're making the mistake of assuming that Cabrini and UW-Whitewater (which this year was a slowdown, halfcourt, defensive-oriented team, but that's not UWW's traditional m.o.) are representative of their entire sections of the country in terms of how they play.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on March 21, 2012, 08:52:40 AM
interesting, perhaps we need more coverage of those regions !   
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on March 21, 2012, 09:03:34 AM
maybe I have smash mouth basketball pounding the ball on the floor confused with the Grinnel system of shooting 100 shots a game and creating 40 turnovers and shooting from anywhere on the floor with less penetration inside with a constant offensive press...that would be up tempo but not what I was comparing Cabrini too , not just big men posting each other up but hard going to the hole transition games not pulling up talking about in your face hoops with lightning fast gaurds and no ticky tack fouls.  Not that there is anything wrong with playing a different style.  Castleton State scored lots of points but I would not consider them up tempo their transition game was not like the Cavs. 
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 22, 2012, 04:07:03 PM
You'll find a little bit of everything in the midwest. It's a huge area of the country as far as D3 basketball is concerned, covering the better part of two regions (Great Lakes and West) and all of a third (Midwest).

I just don't think that you can extrapolate that much based upon having only seen a couple of midwestern teams. In fact, the usual gripe from fans of non-midwestern teams that face midwestern teams in the tourney is that the boys from the heartland tend to be excessively physical, especially underneath the basket.

Plus, Cabrini's an exception to the rules. I've seen plenty of Middle Atlantic teams over the years, and none of them have ever resembled Cabrini in any way, shape, or form. The guards for the Cavaliers were freakishly talented and quick with the ball, and that allowed Cabrini to present a completely different kind of look in terms of focusing an offense exclusively upon dribble penetration.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on March 22, 2012, 08:33:08 PM
interesting Greg, did not look at it from that perspective.   Thanx for opening my mind seriously.  I cannot comment fairly if I was only exposed to a couple of Midwest teams.  After your comment about Cabrini's gaurds I see where you are coming from.  Hope the March Madness of D3 tourney gets more coverage for all regions, sections, etc, it is ashame how these men play their butts off and do it the fair way yet the recognition and acknowlegement all goes to the big league.  Heard many fans and locals in Salem commenting about D1 said they are bums LOL.....rather see real kids playing from the heart not for the money, but you know how fans are.....just wish there was more mainstream coverage so we can see all these teams not just on a computer.  Perhaps we could have a D3 cable channel with the help, support, and administration of D3 hoops or all the schools involved...just sayin man.   
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 22, 2012, 09:51:25 PM
I'd rather see the glass as half-full. A few years ago, you couldn't see D3 teams from other parts of the country at all, unless one randomly dropped in on a rare occasion as part of a non-conference tourney or you went to the Final Four (since even sectionals tend to stick to discrete sections of the country, for the most part). Now, you can go to the front page of this website and click on streaming video for D3 games in just about every part of the country. Sure, it's not cable-channel quality for the most part, but it's worlds better than not being able to see all those games at all, right?

Also, the great thing about webcasts, as opposed to cable broadcasts, is that you can stream them on your computer while you're sitting in another gym. On a couple of occasions this year I was able to watch a D3 game live on the computer of the person sitting next to me while sitting in a gym watching a completely different D3 game.

Technology has made it so much easier and so much better for D3 fans. Teams from other parts of the country need not be a total mystery anymore, thanks to webcasting. And that's a great thing. It's also a great thing for schools whose fans are spread across the country, as are those of my alma mater (North Park). As an NPU broadcaster, I hear all the time from NPU alumni and from relatives of NPU players from coast to coast about how great it is to be able to watch the Vikings without making a trip to Chicago.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on March 23, 2012, 09:24:09 PM
good point !   Wish D3 would get more national recognition as well, Technology does make games available I agree, just when it is viewed on cable or TV like ESPN the stakes would bring the quality of D3 to the air waves possibly exposing more people who have less of a vested interest in D3.

Access has dramatically improved, but the mainstream in my area and local paper have editorials about the lack of tv or news coverage of a team that gets to the nationals, even with computers. Some older folks ask me why, and I just tell them D3 is a little under the radar yet they choose not to view via computer just their ways I guess...lol

Take it easy and have a nice spring or summer whatever the weather is right now.  Hoping to get back to Salem someday.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 28, 2012, 08:31:33 PM
Congrats to Cabrini's Cory Lemons named ECAC South player of the Year!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on April 02, 2012, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: mailsy on March 28, 2012, 08:31:33 PM
Congrats to Cabrini's Cory Lemons named ECAC South player of the Year!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on April 03, 2012, 11:22:38 AM
Here is a great video of Cabrini's "Road to the National Championship."  Hope you enjoy it!  :)

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/sports/2010/5/25/GEN_0525104812.aspx (http://www.cabriniathletics.com/sports/2010/5/25/GEN_0525104812.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on May 16, 2012, 06:20:58 PM
Hope this championship run helps the credibility of the conference and the recruiting efforts of the Cavs.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 31, 2012, 12:09:02 PM
Hope you don't mind a break in the action, as it were, but I want to share a story the D3 community should know about. You actually may have seen the story on the front page of D3hoops.com, but just in case:

A Goucher basketball player has been paralyzed in a freak accident. He was wrestling around with a friend one morning in his dorm building when he landed on his neck. The entire story is here (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/05/goucher-player-paralyzed).

He was released from the hospital to the Kennedy Krieger Institute for rehab shortly after that article was posted last week. However, over the weekend he was sent back to the hospital when he apparently had trouble breathing. Now he awaits a return to the rehab facility, probably any day if he hasn't been released already.

Please keep Damone Brooks, his family, the Goucher basketball team(s), and Goucher community in your thoughts, hearts, and prayers. The family certainly needs help with medical bills as well, so if you feel inclined, please consider them as well.

To follow his progress online, click here (http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/damonebrooks).
And to consider a donation, click here (http://www.helphopelive.org/find-a-patient/profile/index.cfm/patient/FE0B84F4-C845-2122-B07EA3093EFAF336).

Thank you for taking the time to read this. Please feel free to contact me with any questions.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on June 15, 2012, 11:56:54 AM
Hard to believe we are only 4 months 'til "official" practice starts and 5 'til the season starts.  :D Have a fun and safe summer everyone!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 10, 2012, 10:40:54 AM
Cabrini just hired a new AD:

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/news/2012/7/9/MBB_0709122134.aspx?path=mbball

Good luck to him.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on July 10, 2012, 07:23:03 PM
Quote from: mailsy on July 10, 2012, 10:40:54 AM
Cabrini just hired a new AD:

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/news/2012/7/9/MBB_0709122134.aspx?path=mbball

Good luck to him.

What happened to the 'old' AD?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 12, 2012, 04:53:19 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on July 10, 2012, 07:23:03 PM
Quote from: mailsy on July 10, 2012, 10:40:54 AM
Cabrini just hired a new AD:

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/news/2012/7/9/MBB_0709122134.aspx?path=mbball

Good luck to him.

What happened to the 'old' AD?

Took a job at Temple University.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on July 13, 2012, 09:17:50 PM
Quote from: mailsy on July 12, 2012, 04:53:19 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on July 10, 2012, 07:23:03 PM
Quote from: mailsy on July 10, 2012, 10:40:54 AM
Cabrini just hired a new AD:

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/news/2012/7/9/MBB_0709122134.aspx?path=mbball

Good luck to him.

What happened to the 'old' AD?

Took a job at Temple University.

Thanks.  I should've 'googled' before asking.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 15, 2012, 11:05:39 PM
No problem lefty2.  Thst's what this is for.  Did anyone see Immaculata has a new head coach. The article said they didn't even acknowledge Chadwin leaving. Very odd.  :o  IU fans any ideas? I won't be able to google this one.  ;)

BTW 3 months to practice. 4 til season starts.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 15, 2012, 11:12:26 PM
Cabrini's schedule is out.

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball

Interesting.  ??? Battle of Eagle Road is early this year - November 20.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 16, 2012, 08:29:59 PM
They're is a new school in the conference.  :P  It's called Cairn University. Actually Philadelphia Bibilical Univ. changed their name. Trustees just approved it. Here is the article:
http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/courier_times_news/new-name-for-local-college/article_2874e52c-bd7e-5cfd-aeee-dc197b301870.html

Also they are no longer the Crimson Eagles, but the Highlanders. The CA is going to throw people off.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on August 12, 2012, 08:48:44 PM
Another new coach in the conference. This time Rosemont has hired Bob Hughes, a former assistant at Washington College.  Little bit more than 3 months 'til the season starts.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on September 19, 2012, 11:25:14 AM
New coach. Centenary hires Brendan Twomey as BBall coach. He was an associate head coach at Stevens Institute of Technology previously. That's three new coaches!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ryan_finch on September 24, 2012, 09:33:16 AM
On September 29th Muhlenberg College will host it's 4th Annual Fall Shootout. I invite all college coaches to come on by to watch some high level basketball. The first game will begin at 8:30 am and the last game will be at 8:30 pm. Below is a list of schools which will be in attendance. I hope you can make it!

Emmaus   PA
Rutgers Prep   NJ
Allen   PA
Paul VI   VA
Westtown   PA
Parkland   PA
Bethlehem Catholic   PA
Dieruff   PA
North Hunterdon   NJ
Del Val Charter   PA
Phoenixville   PA
Mendham   NJ
Ridge   NJ
Cumberland Valley   PA
Delaware County Christian   PA
Quakertown   PA
Pen Argyl   PA
Souderton   PA
Stroudsburg   PA
St. Johns Bapist   NY
Freedom   PA
Hatboro-Horsham   PA
Patrick School   NJ
Holy Cross   PA
Constitution   PA
Atholton   MD
Gill St. Bernards   NJ
Ben Franklin   PA
Springfield Delco   PA
Point Pleasant Beach   NJ
Nazareth   PA
Myers   PA
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on September 30, 2012, 10:46:29 AM
In just 15 short days the start of practice begins and the defense of the CSAC crown begins anew.  It is hard to believe that just over 6 and a half months ago the Cavs were playing for the national championship. Let's see how far they go this year.  GO CAVS!!!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 12, 2012, 11:29:48 PM
Believe it or not. I just saw this on Cavaliers website DIII News has Cabrini ranked 5th Preseason.  :o
Here is the site: http://www.cabriniathletics.com/documents/2012/10/12/D3N2012FactSheet.pdf?id=322 (http://www.cabriniathletics.com/documents/2012/10/12/D3N2012FactSheet.pdf?id=322)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 15, 2012, 09:33:35 AM
Aaaah! Opening Day. First day of practice! The new season brings such optimism for all the teams. Good luck to the members of the CSAC! Btw and just a little bit more to the Cavs  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 15, 2012, 11:38:46 AM
Another week to wait for the Centennial Conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 15, 2012, 10:29:07 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on October 15, 2012, 11:38:46 AM
Another week to wait for the Centennial Conference.

What's that all about anyway?  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 16, 2012, 10:55:27 AM
The presidents of the conference feel that there needs to be more emphasis on academics.  It doesn't make much sense since the players are playing together anyways-just without the coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 16, 2012, 11:55:29 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on October 16, 2012, 10:55:27 AM
The presidents of the conference feel that there needs to be more emphasis on academics.  It doesn't make much sense since the players are playing together anyways-just without the coach.

Yes the people who always feel they are smarter than everyone else in the room!!!  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on October 17, 2012, 01:39:36 PM
Hoping for a new exciting season of hoops, thx to Cabrini for raising the bar.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 17, 2012, 04:26:05 PM
The Preseason Top 25 is out: http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/preseason (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/preseason)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 17, 2012, 07:43:21 PM
Cavs are ranked 10th. Interesting. They were 10th last year in the preseason and went to the final. I don't know. What players are back?  Who is new to the team? We will see. Coach C any ideas?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 18, 2012, 12:02:31 AM
Probably a bit too high is my opinion... I know I had them off my ballot (though I had 41 teams I was trying to fit into 25 slots)... they lost their top two guys from last year's squad.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 18, 2012, 11:08:44 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 18, 2012, 12:02:31 AM
Probably a bit too high is my opinion... I know I had them off my ballot (though I had 41 teams I was trying to fit into 25 slots)... they lost their top two guys from last year's squad.

That's why I'm a little unsure. But then again I was unsure last year where they were ranked. It wasn't until I saw them play when I started to believe. But when you lose an All American like Cory Lemons, who did they bring in to make the voters believe they could be ranked that high?  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 18, 2012, 11:13:36 AM
Fair number of voters are willing to give a Final Four team, especially the champion and runner-up, a little extra benefit of the doubt. For me, losing Lemons and Walton-Moss put Cabrini down in the high teens on my ballot.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 18, 2012, 12:16:31 PM
Where did Moss end up going?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 18, 2012, 02:51:24 PM
Not sure he's playing anywhere -- I don't believe he would be eligible, at least not at an NCAA institution.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on October 19, 2012, 05:11:39 PM
Lets remember John Boyd is gone as well , a clutch player in the playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on October 20, 2012, 09:25:37 AM
To this end, the Cabrini playoff run to the nat'l championship was a great thing, bringing many people together.  The school become one big family. The other CSAC teams will also realize the dream can be realized if you work hard no matter what conference your team may belong.  D3 hoops provided and continues to provide a great forum facilitating the national events. As a fan who experienced the long ride from day one through Salem in person, without D3 and the sports information network it would not be as enjoyable nor informative.  Thank you all.  Last year is slowly fading into the past.  The stats will be etched in the archives. Cabrini will raise their banner commemorating their nat'l championship run on November 20th. The new season is upon all of us diehard fans , parents, friends, siblings, students, and alumni as the cycle begins again with the opportunity for all the teams to make their mark in the archives.  Looking forward to a new year; new stars, and role players for all teams  New coaches and current coaches thank you for all you do. May the  current student athletes, new recruits, and staff be safe, work hard, and be ready to BALL ! !
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 09, 2012, 05:18:55 PM
Down to the final days of practice. 7 days to the first game for most 8 days for the Cavs. CSAC just announced preseason Poll.

2012-13 CSAC MEN'S BASKETBALL PRESEASON POLL

Pl     Team                   Pts        11-12 Rec (CSAC)
1)    Cabrini (9)            95         31-2 (18-0)
2)    Gwynedd-Mercy    88         17-10 (12-6)
3)    Keystone (1)         82         21-6 (14-4)
4)    Neumann              72        13-14 (9-9)
5)    Immaculata           51        11-16 (8-10)
6)    Rosemont              43        13-13 (9-9)
7)    Marywood              40        8-17 (7-11)
8)    Centenary             39        12-13 (8-10)
9)    Baptist Bible          28        3-22 (3-15)
10)  Cairn                     12        4-21 (2-16)

Cavs should win conference again.
GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 12, 2012, 05:31:36 PM
Cabrini's roster is up.

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball&

Looks like they have added a transfer this year who is a shot blocker. One other transfer and five freshman. 4 days to the start. 8 til the first home game. Let's see what the year brings.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on November 12, 2012, 10:23:28 PM
mailsy, good luck to Cabrini...hope to meet up again somewhere on the tournament trail in March!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: 7express on November 13, 2012, 10:32:58 AM
Who is Cairn??  Is that the Philadelphia Bible College??
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2012, 10:54:38 AM
Yes, that's their new name.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 13, 2012, 12:23:01 PM
Quote from: 7express on November 13, 2012, 10:32:58 AM
Who is Cairn??  Is that the Philadelphia Bible College??

and they are no longer the Crimson Eagles they are now called the "Highlanders."
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 13, 2012, 09:44:10 PM
Houghton College, which joins Division III in the Empire 8, is also called the Highlanders.  I like that nickname, but maybe that's natural given my Scottish first name.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on November 14, 2012, 11:34:30 AM
do they wear Kilts?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 14, 2012, 11:53:55 AM
Welcome to the season everyone!

Sorry to have been away so long ... I was waiting for the first frost, which hit my town today, so here I am!

Cabrini is probably a bit high in the pre-season given the loss of a POY candidate (Lemons) and the ROY (Walton-Moss) as well as solid contributor to the team (Boyd).

Last year's team was built for the playoff run.  Once again, mid-year transfers may have some affect on the second half of the season.

The real question mark for me is PG play. Lemons was such a special player at this level that his loss is the hardest to fill.

Everyone enjoy!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on November 14, 2012, 08:11:51 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 13, 2012, 09:44:10 PM
Houghton College, which joins Division III in the Empire 8, is also called the Highlanders.  I like that nickname, but maybe that's natural given my Scottish first name.

Former PAC (CSAC) member Misericordia was known as the Highlanders until the mid 80's.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on November 16, 2012, 08:20:29 PM
Cavs were down by 19 sloppy game but managed to take to OT and win against Apprentice at Va beach free throws were not consistent but pulled it out.  The Shipbuilders shot the 3 first half but Cavs adjusted on defense in the second.  Cavs had it tough getting inside in first half as well.  Lots of turnovers on both sides. If Cavs play VA Wes tomorrow its gonna be a tough game.   
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 27, 2012, 09:42:11 PM
Overtime in Scranton. 66 all 5 more minutes to go. Great game though.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 27, 2012, 09:58:38 PM
Great game. To bad Cabrini lost by 1 point.  :(
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 28, 2012, 10:04:59 AM
Congratulations to Cabrini's Fran Rafferty. He's nominated as a member in D3Hoops team of the week:

http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/tow/2012-13/week2
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 03, 2012, 10:31:32 PM
Cavs win 65-58. Very sloppy play. Goodman 2 fouls early. Changed the dynamic of the team. To many missed FT's for this kid as well as rest of team. Down 11 at half. Easy baskets not going in. However, played better D and outscored Centenary 36-18 in 2nd half.  Mighty Macs up next.  They beat Rosemont 63-60 on their home court. Keystone over BBC, GMC over Marywood and Neumann over Cairn.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 11, 2012, 09:11:22 AM
A win for the Cavs last night. They played much better than they have in the last few games. Rosemont came out agressive.  It seemed to wake the Cavs up.  A nice win to take into the break.  A couple of weeks to rest to heel some bumps and bruises. Looking forward to the second half. Next up Wesleyan on Dec 30 at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 25, 2012, 04:20:12 PM
Wanted to wish everyone in CSAC land a Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 30, 2012, 03:44:40 PM
Quite a return for Aaron Walton-Moss.  He scores 26 points in 15 minutes as Cabrini routes Wesleyan 87-69.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 09, 2013, 10:23:16 PM
Mailsy


What happene to Goodman?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 10, 2013, 01:50:10 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 09, 2013, 10:23:16 PM
Mailsy


What happened to Goodman?

He just left. Grades were good. Just didn't feel comfortable at the school. No other explanation given. I don't get it.  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 10, 2013, 10:02:52 AM
Cavs looked good last night. Their speed and defense put a clamp on Neumann. Next thing you know, they're up 30.  Could have been more. At the 10 plus minute mark Cabrini up by 31 and benches were cleared. They got it up to 34(76-42) with 10:05 to go. Last 10 minutes seemed to go on forever(Neumann ouscores Cavs 16-8). Cavs have Marywood next. Who crushed Immaculata last night 75-47.  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 10, 2013, 10:38:56 PM
Front page story about Cabrini's Aaron Walton-Moss.  8-)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 10, 2013, 11:09:51 PM
Quote from: mailsy on January 10, 2013, 01:50:10 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on January 09, 2013, 10:23:16 PM
Mailsy


What happened to Goodman?

He just left. Grades were good. Just didn't feel comfortable at the school. No other explanation given. I don't get it.  :o

Thanks he was smooth
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 24, 2013, 09:34:21 PM
A story about the Mighty Macs headcoach and the Mighty Macs in this week's around the nation.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 26, 2013, 09:24:54 AM
Today is alumni day at the Dixon Center. Ladies play at 11:00 followed by the Lady Cavs taking on Cairn. No comment there. The game of the day will be for first place in the conference as Keystone takes on the Cavaliers in front of the alumni.  Cavs need to control the game from the beginning. Do not get behind! A victory will help make the night better as the alumni play at 6:00 followed by the celebration at McGillicuddies.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 30, 2013, 11:42:05 PM
Took a trip to Aston, PA. It was my first venture down to the nice new facility at Neumann. Impressive. :) Game was close til the half. Coming out after the break the Cavaliers just took over. Jon Miller had I believe one of, if not the best games I've seen him play. Great job by the Cavaliers to just dominate the Knights in the second half. Up next Immaculata on Saturday.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 02, 2013, 07:45:52 PM
I'm trying my hand at some ESPN style video recaps. Check out the one from Saturday's Cabrini-Immaculata game embedded in Saturday's recap.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2013/02/wrapup-men-feb02
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 02, 2013, 11:01:24 PM
Very cool Gordon.  :) +1
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 04, 2013, 10:29:20 PM
With Marywood's loss to Neumann tonight they are officially out of the playoffs. Right now standings are as follows: 1. Cabrini 2. Gwynedd 3. Keystone 4. Neumann 5. Immaculata (NU won game 1) 6. Centenary. These are the teams that are officially in. Next few games will determine their rankings

First place possibly up for grabs Wednesday 2-6. Cabrini hosts Gwynedd. Cavs won first contest at GMC 93-70. Keystone travels to Baptist Bible. Immaculata takes the trip out to Hackettstown, NJ to challenge Centenary (IU won game 1 69-63). Playoff positioning in this game. Neumann takes the trip up 476 to take on Marywood who they beat in OT tonight 74-71.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 07, 2013, 12:06:28 AM
Cavs lock up the number 1 seed tonight at the Dixon Center as they defeat the Griffins of Gwynedd Mercy 80-68. Keystone shockingly lost to Baptist Bible tonight 94-91 in OT. So Gwynedd retains the 2 slot. Keystone is 3rd. Neumann is 4th. Centenary has moved into the 5th slot with their win tonight over Immaculata who has now lost 4 in a row and now sits 6th.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 14, 2013, 10:24:26 PM
Cabrini's Marcus Kahn receives Coach of the Year in the CSAC. That's five years in a row. Aaron Walton-Moss gets player of the year. Congrats to both!!!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 19, 2013, 10:13:08 PM
Cavs win 90-77. They'll host Keystone Friday night, winners 83-77 over Gwynedd. Congrats to Coach Marcus Kahn on his 200th victory tonight.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 20, 2013, 12:55:13 AM
I was looking at the box score of the Keystone/Gwynedd game. Surprising fact in the game were the fouls. 27 fouls called on GMC and 11 on Keystone. It was 21-5 in the second half. 3 Gwynedd players fouled out.  I can only imagine the "fire" coming out of the stands out at Gwynedd. :-X Gwynedd only took 9 FT to Keystone's 35  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2013, 01:03:13 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 20, 2013, 12:55:13 AM
I was looking at the box score of the Keystone/Gwynedd game. Surprising fact in the game were the fouls. 27 fouls called on GMC and 11 on Keystone. It was 21-5 in the second half. 3 Gwynedd players fouled out.  I can only imagine the "fire" coming out of the stands out at Gwynedd. :-X Gwynedd only took 9 FT to Keystone's 35  ???

I was also looking at the box score and seven of the fouls came in the final 1:23, in the fouling-to-get-back-into-it portion of the night.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 20, 2013, 09:40:27 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2013, 01:03:13 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 20, 2013, 12:55:13 AM
I was looking at the box score of the Keystone/Gwynedd game. Surprising fact in the game were the fouls. 27 fouls called on GMC and 11 on Keystone. It was 21-5 in the second half. 3 Gwynedd players fouled out.  I can only imagine the "fire" coming out of the stands out at Gwynedd. :-X Gwynedd only took 9 FT to Keystone's 35  ???

I was also looking at the box score and seven of the fouls came in the final 1:23, in the fouling-to-get-back-into-it portion of the night.

True. But I've been to the Griffin center.  My thoughts were the reaction of the fans to the 5 fouls "called" in the second half on Keystone.  :o  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2013, 11:43:09 AM
Did the box score indicate the defense Keystone might have been playing or whether they were attacking the rim on offense? Major factors on how many calls one team or the other is being called for more than what the refs are or aren't calling.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 20, 2013, 11:52:11 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2013, 11:43:09 AM
Did the box score indicate the defense Keystone might have been playing or whether they were attacking the rim on offense? Major factors on how many calls one team or the other is being called for more than what the refs are or aren't calling.

From my experience, fans and many coaches don't take into account the style of defense a team is playing or the game situation.  Most only see too many fouls against their team and not enough against the other.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2013, 11:56:24 AM
Fans don't... but I know coaches do. The common argument from a coach doesn't have to do with the number of fouls called, it has to do with whether they feel they are being called for a foul the other team is not being called for (common ones are hand-checks, pushes,, holds, blocks, etc.). I don't know that many coaches that look at a scoreboard and point out to a ref the difference in the foul count. First off, that has usually led to a quick trigger on a tech. Secondly, they know if they are playing against a zone defense and are not attacking it, the refs aren't going to be calling any fouls for no contact.

For the fans... they see a number on the scoreboard and just assume all games should have fouls called evenly for both sides... which means the fans don't understand the game or appreciate what their team or the other team is doing on the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2013, 03:22:43 PM
Ehh ... not so sure about that. They may take it into account in private but when yelling at an official, all they point to is the number of fouls on the board. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2013, 03:26:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2013, 03:22:43 PM
Ehh ... not so sure about that. They may take it into account in private but when yelling at an official, all they point to is the number of fouls on the board. :)

Well... I haven't experienced that many references in the 40+ games this year... or that many in the last few years... but everyone experiences different things.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 22, 2013, 04:51:35 PM
The bid to the NCAA tourneys go thru the Dixon Center this weekend. Cavs going for their 4th CSAC championship in a row against Keystone, who they beat last year to get in, tonight. Women take on Gwynedd, last year's champion, on Saturday.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 23, 2013, 12:24:14 AM
Since stories rotate off the front page quickly this time of year, here's an interview with Cabrini senior wing Jeremy Knowles (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSlI_6ODK74) after Friday night's win in the CSAC title game.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 23, 2013, 11:11:28 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 23, 2013, 12:24:14 AM
Since stories rotate off the front page quickly this time of year, here's an interview with Cabrini senior wing Jeremy Knowles (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSlI_6ODK74) after Friday night's win in the CSAC title game.



Thanks Gordon.  It was good seeing you again. Always a pleasure.  :)

Congrats to the Cavs. 4 straight CSAC conference championships!! That hasn't happened in the conference since 1992-98 when Cabrini won 6 (and that's when it was called the PAC.

The coaches and players did a fantastic job this year. Great job guys!!
One game at a time now. Can't wait til Monday to see who and where Cavs are playing!

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 25, 2013, 07:17:49 PM
Cavs taking on Hampden-Sydney. Common opponents Wesley and Virginia Wesleyan. Cavs lost to both. H S beat Wesley lost to VA Wesleyan.

Hampden Sydney:   26-1          Opponents:
82.9                      pts/gm           62.7
50.6%                       fg              39.9%
34.9%                      3fg             29.2%
7.1                        3fg/gm           5.9     
67.1%                      FT              67.0%
13.2                       FT/gm          13.6
39.6                  rebounds/gm      30.8
18.1                    assists/gm       11.1
14.9                       TO/gm         19.1
10.8                     steals/gm       7.6
3.4                       blocks/gm      1.9

Leading Scorers:   Harrison George 16.3   Khobi Williamson 14.7
Leading Rebounders:  Khobi Williamson 6.4    Harrison George 6.3

Cabrini:     22-5         Opponents:
82.9          pts/gm        70.0
47.4%          fg            42.1%
36.4%         3fg           33.5%
8.4           3fg/gm         6.9     
62.8%          FT           68.8%
12.0          FT/gm        14.4
43.0    rebounds/gm    32.6
16.0      assists/gm      11.4
13.5         TO/gm         16.0
8.9       steals/gm       6.7
2.7         blocks/gm      3.1

Leading Scorers:   Aaron Walton-Moss 13.9 Fran Raffety 13.7
Leading Rebounders: Aaron Walton-Moss 8.4 Goran Dulac 5.7

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on February 26, 2013, 08:46:21 AM
Got that right, Mailsy, GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 02, 2013, 08:51:47 PM
Cavs win 80-78. Whew!

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2013, 01:35:51 PM
No surprise here... Cabrini goes to Ohio Wesleyan. FYI it is said Wes not Wez :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 04, 2013, 11:04:58 AM
Cabrini gets to travel again! This time out to Delaware, OH and take on the Battling Bishops of Ohio Wesleyan.

Ohio Wesleyan is 23-5 overall 12-4 in conference. They beat Wooster at Wooster to win the NCAC. They beat St. Vincent 84-75 in round 1 of the NCAA tourney.
They are 10-1 at home this year. Cavaliers are 9-4 on the road.

Ohio Wesleyan:        23-5        Opponents:
73.9                      pts/gm           63.2
45.5%                       fg              39.7%
34.5%                      3fg             33.6%
6.9                        3fg/gm           6.5     
64.8%                      FT              72.2%
11.8                       FT/gm          10.2
39.0                  rebounds/gm      34.0
14.0                    assists/gm       10.6
11.3                       TO/gm         12.9
6.9                     steals/gm         5.0
5.3                       blocks/gm      2.7

Leading Scorers:   Taylor Rieger 13.9   Andy Winters  13.8
Leading Rebounders:  Marshall Morris 6.4    Reuel Rogers 6.4

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on March 05, 2013, 08:31:59 AM
Good Luck to Cabrini in their game on Sat. with Ohio Wesleyan!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on March 09, 2013, 09:22:28 PM
Huge Congratulations to Cabrini!!!!   Way to GO!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 09, 2013, 10:17:00 PM
Sweet 16 bound!! Another victory on the road! Still one more into another hostile environment as they will take on the Scots of Wooster next Saturday.


GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 10, 2013, 02:29:04 PM
Cabrini traveling again! This time out to Wooster, OH and take on the Scots of the College of Wooster.

Wooster is 24-5 overall 14-2 in conference. They were selected as a Pool C. Lost in NCAC final. They beat Penn State Behrend 62-44 in round 1 of the NCAA tourney and beat Dickinson 80-54.
They are 15-2 at home this year. Cavaliers are 10-4 on the road.

Wooster:              24-5        Opponents:
73.8                      pts/gm           63.5
46.7%                       fg              38.2%
36.4%                      3fg             30.2%
6.5                        3fg/gm           5.6     
71.7%                      FT              70.3%
14.6                       FT/gm          12.9
39.3                  rebounds/gm      31.2
11.4                    assists/gm        9.4
12.3                       TO/gm         12.5
6.2                     steals/gm         6.1
3.8                     blocks/gm        2.8

Leading Scorers:   Doug Thorpe 13.6   Xavier Brown  13.5
Leading Rebounders:  Jake Mays 7.4    Josh Claytor 5.6

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: wvcfan1 on March 11, 2013, 12:22:57 PM
Any info on the Marywood job?...Grundman has resigned
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 13, 2013, 07:57:24 PM
Congrats to Cabrini's Aaron Walton-Moss being named to the first team Mid Atlantic all region team!!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 16, 2013, 08:43:37 PM
Cavs win!! Whoooohoo!! Elite eight! Amherst up next in Salem!

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on March 16, 2013, 10:39:07 PM
Huge congratulations to Cabrini Nation & Mailsy!   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 17, 2013, 10:42:44 AM
Cabrini gets to travel again! This time back to Virginia, and a familiar place, the Salem Civic Center. They will take on the Lord Jeffs of Amherst on Friday at 5:00.

Amherst is 27-2 overall 10-0 in conference. They won they won the regular season and conference tourney, the NESCAC. They received a first round bye in the NCAA tourney.  They beat SUNY Plattsburgh 89-72 in round 2 and Randolph Macon 93-76 in round 3 of the tourney. They are 18-1 at home this year. 9-0 on the road and 1-1 at Neutral sight. They are riding a 21 game win streak heading into Salem. Cavaliers are 12-1 at home, 11-4 on the road and 2-0 on neutral courts.

Amherst:              27-2          Opponents:
84.3                      pts/gm           69.0
49.5%                       fg              40.7%
39.8%                      3fg             33.5%
8.7                        3fg/gm           6.2     
73.9%                      FT              68.9%
14.5                       FT/gm          12.7
40.3                  rebounds/gm      33.8
15.8                    assists/gm       11.1
12.0                       TO/gm         12.5
7.2                     steals/gm         7.0
5.3                       blocks/gm      2.0

Leading Scorers:   Aaron Toomey 17.6   Peter Kaasila  13.3
Leading Rebounders:  Willy Workman 7.8    Peter Kaasila 6.2

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: walzy31 on March 18, 2013, 12:44:53 PM
I'm over the NESCAC board.
Best of luck to Cabrini on Friday! Should be a very competitive game featuring "two Aarons."

It will feel good to finally be back in Salem after a 5-year drought. I have no doubt both teams will be hungry for the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 20, 2013, 04:37:06 PM
Great story on the front page today of Cabrini being "road warriors". Only challenge was the leading scorer and rebounder that he mentioned in the story hasn't scored 1 point or garnered one rebound in 2013. :( He left school at the end of the first semester. Leading scorer and rebounder is Walton-Moss.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on March 22, 2013, 10:52:49 AM
Good luck tonight to Cabrini!!!

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 22, 2013, 09:55:50 PM
Tough loss tonight. Losing is never easy. Cavs just got beat by a better team. Congratulations on a fine season. Good luck to the seniors. Goran Dulac, DeLeon Floyd, AJ Williams, Jeremy Knowles and John Glenn. This class saw 4 NCAA appearances. 3 sweet 16's 2 elite 8's a final four and a national runner-up. Finished with 105 wins and 17 losses. Best 4 year class in Cabrini basketball history. Congratulations again.


GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on April 08, 2013, 07:37:25 PM
Final D3 rankings are in. Cavs finished 13th and back in top 25 after starting the season 10th. Congrats!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on May 03, 2013, 10:05:54 AM
Anyone hear ANYTHING about the Neumann search? Have there even been any phone or on campus interviews yet? Guess it's not important to them to have someone hired to meet with the team before school is out. Not having someone in place to re recruit players who may leave because of the coach being fired could back fire. Also the would be head coach is missing on a lot of recruiting events. Not being negative at all, as I am sure they have reasons (Coach being fired, hiring of new women's soccer coach ect).

Best of luck in their search!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on May 27, 2013, 01:09:11 PM
Looks like Marywood has hired a new men's coach, Former Ball State Associate Head Coach Bob Simmons.

http://marywoodpacers.com/news/2013/5/19/MBB_0520131352.aspx

Happy Memorial Day everyone. Thanks to all those who gave their lives for our freedom!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on June 16, 2013, 04:15:15 PM
Former Cabrini Cavalier Cory Lemons is playing professionally.
Here's the story from the college website.

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/news/2013/6/14/MBB_0614135449.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on June 16, 2013, 08:29:29 PM
Very impressive, Mailsy and a beacon for others to follow!    Many thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on June 20, 2013, 10:09:41 PM
Cavs playing in the Hoopsville Classic Nov 22- Nov 24. Cavs play St. Mary's on the 22 and then Salisbury on the 24th. Should be some great games. Keystone also playing. They have Trinity(TX) on the 22nd and then LaVerne on the 23rd.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 21, 2013, 04:10:21 PM
Here is a link to more information on the Hoopsville National Invitational Classic: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2013/06/hoopsville-classic-features-three-elite-eight-teams (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2013/06/hoopsville-classic-features-three-elite-eight-teams)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on June 26, 2013, 11:40:03 AM
Looks like Centenary will be looking for a new coach. Brendan Twomey leaves the Cyclones to take over the job in Farmingdale State.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 11, 2013, 05:51:07 PM
Cavaliers schedule is out: Have some good OOC games this year: Randolph Macon, Wesley, Scranton, St. Mary's and Salisbury:

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 08, 2013, 08:23:01 PM
Hope everyone had a great summer. Practice starts in a week.  Just some news I saw from the Cavaliers website. Cabrini is ranked fourth in the DIII News preseason top 25 and Aaron Walton-Moss is named as a preseason AA. Let's hope they will live up to that.  :)

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/documents/2013/10/8/DIII_News_MBB_Fact_Sheet.pdf?id=359 (http://www.cabriniathletics.com/documents/2013/10/8/DIII_News_MBB_Fact_Sheet.pdf?id=359)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 09, 2013, 04:11:54 AM
Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 15, 2013, 10:40:05 AM
Practice starts today!!!  :D I'm hoping to get to a couple of practices before the season starts to see what this team is all about this year. AWM and Rafferty are back. This I know. What the rest of the team looks like we'll see when I get to those practices. Looking froward to another fun year at Cabrini.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on October 15, 2013, 02:35:41 PM
 :(Centennial Conference still about 10 days away from starting :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 15, 2013, 03:50:45 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on October 15, 2013, 02:35:41 PM
:(Centennial Conference still about 10 days away from starting :'(

You have to be going thru some serious withdrawal?  ;) It will be here soon enough. I get to see practice start on time but I have to wait for Cabrini's first game on the 19th against Eastern to really enjoy it.  ;D
Title: Keystone Coach Smith to NBA D LEague
Post by: CCHoopster on October 22, 2013, 10:13:25 AM
Wow, I guess congrats to coach Smith on this one. Will be interesting to see how he transitions. See link below:

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2013/10/nevada-smith-to-coach-rio-grande-valley-vipers-in-d-league/ (http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2013/10/nevada-smith-to-coach-rio-grande-valley-vipers-in-d-league/)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 23, 2013, 12:02:43 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on October 22, 2013, 10:13:25 AM
Wow, I guess congrats to coach Smith on this one. Will be interesting to see how he transitions. See link below:

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2013/10/nevada-smith-to-coach-rio-grande-valley-vipers-in-d-league/ (http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2013/10/nevada-smith-to-coach-rio-grande-valley-vipers-in-d-league/)

That's quite a surprise, especially with 3 weeks before the season starts.  ??? Good for him though.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 27, 2013, 10:06:32 AM
Quote from: mailsy on October 23, 2013, 12:02:43 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on October 22, 2013, 10:13:25 AM
Wow, I guess congrats to coach Smith on this one. Will be interesting to see how he transitions. See link below:

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2013/10/nevada-smith-to-coach-rio-grande-valley-vipers-in-d-league/ (http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2013/10/nevada-smith-to-coach-rio-grande-valley-vipers-in-d-league/)

That's quite a surprise, especially with 3 weeks before the season starts.  ??? Good for him though.

I now see that Keystone has hired Brad Cooper as the teams' interim head coach.

http://www.gokcgiants.com/news/2013/10/23/MBB_1023131333.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 28, 2013, 04:54:53 PM
Losing Coach Smith is tough, but adding Brad Cooper gives them a silver lining in their playbook.

Get it? Eh?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 18, 2013, 07:14:29 PM
not sure about the strength of this conference, but having said that look what happened to Keystone and Cabrini, would go out on a limb a little bit and say this conference has been getting stronger.  Having said that Alvernia and their conference is strong as well.  As a whole the Mid Atlantic seems to be getting stronger.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 18, 2013, 08:57:12 PM
The Mid-Atlantic is on the rise... I am happy to see that. For a number of years, the region has been a bit of a doormat, but with Cabrini, Scranton, Catholic, St. Mary's, Wesley, Alvernia, Albright and others making their mark along with what F&M has done over the years... it is nice to see the region improving. The next step is to show they can do something on the national stage. Cabrini's run to a national title was great... but we need multiple teams making that run or getting to the Final Four (if the bracket allows).

Looking forward to seeing Keystone and Cabrini at the Hoopsville National Invitational Classic this weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 18, 2013, 10:12:11 PM
Me too Dave. Since I won't be able to see Cabrini against Eastern(who needs a bigger gym).  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 19, 2013, 10:25:05 AM
agreed Dave, the polarization among competition in the mid atlantic was kinda boring, but on a regional note when teams from different conferences start representing consistently it does make for a fun time on a national stage.  Would be great to have the Mid-Atlantic rise up to be competitive with the ODAC someday soon, the North always has the big men and we all know about the ODAC so I am hoping the Mid Atlantic can establish its own identity for style of play when playoffs come around not just based off one school like Cabrini, just because they went deep, but as you say Catholic, Alvernia, etc...... makes for exciting hoops not to mention establishing D3 as level of play worthy of more national coverage.
Mailsy......remember the mission of D3.....the size of the gym may not matter.  BUT.....in this case I must agree with you.  Safety first, not to mention the size of the student body dictates the size of the gym in some cases.  When a team gets satellite campuses and uses one obsolete facility this tends to happen, Rosemont is a very small school with  very small gym as well.   Perhaps you could bring your case to the facilities managers attention or the commissioner of the CSAC.  Public safety, fire codes etc are priority, yet if I read you correctly you may be claiming unfair ticket sales to the visiting team.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 19, 2013, 01:46:44 PM
Eastern has a few surprises for tonight........never know what can happen Mailsy.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 20, 2013, 09:05:35 AM
congratulations to Baptist Bible Defenders on a historic win against Wilkes,  showing a lot of heart and soul out there, a key three and a couple of lay ups at crunch time along with foul shots helped them pull it out.....just never know....and congratulations to Peterson for his 1000th point.
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Post by: mailsy on November 20, 2013, 05:25:26 PM
6 wins in a row for Cabrini in the Battle for Eagle Road. Only 6 players returned from last seasons Elite 8 team. New faces have some game. This weekend in the Hoopsville Classic will see some very good basketball being played. Good early season test for Cavs. When they face #19 St. Mary's on Friday and Sunday against Salisbury. I'm looking forward to seeing Cabrini play on Sunday.

GO CAVS!!!
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Post by: Clutch on November 21, 2013, 09:14:25 AM
hey there Mailsy, it sounds as if you were able to be there live.... ;D
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Post by: NEPAFAN on November 21, 2013, 10:30:24 AM
Cabrini is playing 4 games in a week. Hoping those legs are gassed Tuesday against Scranton.
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Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 22, 2013, 12:47:25 AM

Mailsy,

I'll definitely be there Friday, hoping to get back for the Sunday games as well.
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Post by: Clutch on November 22, 2013, 08:57:24 AM
Hey Mailsy, tonight you will find out how good your Cabrini team really is this year.  With all due respect Mailsy not sure they have any bigs ...inside. Yet having said that if your team shoots well they can beat anybody.  St Marys and your Cabrini team have not met during your deep playoff runs.  Will be an interesting evening, would you keep us posted while you are down there. 
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Post by: mailsy on November 22, 2013, 10:22:14 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 22, 2013, 12:47:25 AM

Mailsy,

I'll definitely be there Friday, hoping to get back for the Sunday games as well.

Unfortunately, I have to work tonight. If were not to busy. I'll try and look in on them. I, definitely, am planning to take the the trip down on Sunday. Looking forward to seeing the Cavs play again. I'll be there in some Cabrini shirt and hat. I'll keep a look out for you. Are you going to be wearing your Eastern Nazarene College t-shirt? ;D
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Post by: CCHoopster on November 22, 2013, 01:01:45 PM
Rosemont beats Eastern if they could make free throws. 56% and shot about 40 of them. Lost in triple ot at Eastern.
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Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 22, 2013, 08:14:53 PM
Just behind the scorers table, red t shirt. Looking forward to a great game. Awesome tournament so far.
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Post by: mailsy on November 22, 2013, 10:29:22 PM
Good win for the Cavs tonight! They will get a day of rest and then get to play Salisbury, who also won, on Sunday afternoon. Should be another good contest. Looking forward to seeing that game.

GO CAVS!!!
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Post by: Clutch on November 23, 2013, 09:11:12 AM
Interesting games yesterday at the tourney, the Birmgham southern team had a lot of heart, they also had a thick bodied big man who was amazing, their team could have won against Salisbury if they played smarter and managed the clock better at crunch time, a couple of poor shot selections really could have been the difference. However both teams worked hard and it was a great game.  Not so sure Middlebury could keep up the tempo of Stevenson, although they could have been a little tired.  Cabrini, cannot figure that team out, they seemed so choppy and out of sync at times yet got it done, Rafferty looks like a force to reckon with if he gets his game up a notch and Moss is unstoppable if he wants to be, he logged a full load yesterday.  He needed a rest and I think he had to call a timeout to get one.  Noticed one of the simple fundamental process of shooting free throws is not so simple when you are tired at crunch time for some of the teams.  Middlebury has bigs but the style of play or calling of the game by refs seems to inhibit them for some reason at times inside, seems like a lot of clean plays with some tight handchecking calls or hip bumping.  Not making excuses for anyone just observing. Stevenson looks sharp and tight with a solid team.  Love this tourney.  Good luck to all the teams who work so hard.
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Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 23, 2013, 01:31:57 PM

Cabrini was surprisingly impressive.  Kahn is amazing at getting the most out of his guys.  Five minutes in I thought they'd get blown out, but they hung tough and every kid out there is bursting with confidence.  That's tough to instill.

It looks like Walton-Moss isn't quite in game shape yet, but they sure seem capable of performing very well this year.
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Post by: Clutch on November 24, 2013, 07:26:28 AM
was looking at Cabrini's schedule, their SOS is not to shabby with out of conference games this year some of them are at home too.  This could be a team to reckon with in the Mid Atlantic...pending of course on how they do against Scranton, Randolph Macon, Wesley, etc....
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Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 24, 2013, 10:44:24 AM
Of course, they have to get past Salisbury today... and the way the Hoopsville Classic has been going this year... there are no guarantees.
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Post by: Clutch on November 25, 2013, 09:07:34 AM
Dave agreed, Miller stepped up when a couple of big names fouled out, and Salisbury  gave them a tough fight, but Miller with Moss and rafferty out of the mix kept them in the game not to mention a key three by Bagwell, was surprised to be honest how cabrini weathered the last 10 minutes and kept their lead....  the tourney was very nice ! !
Great game with Middlebury and St Marys.   What a finish.   Having said that should we just give the national championship hardware to Amherst.?
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Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 25, 2013, 02:41:06 PM
Ah... no. There are no guarantees right now with any team in the country.. including Amherst. We won't know who is really clicking until mid-January at the earliest.
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Post by: Clutch on November 25, 2013, 04:53:10 PM
Point taken....talking about having a chance to beat a good team at home, well looks like Cabrini has some nice games coming up at their place... Scranton, Randolph Macon, and Wesley, not the playoff atmosphere type game but could go along way for SOS the way Cabrini seems to be playing and if they are getting better as the year goes on, may see them in Salem again.  Guessing you need a big physical team to beat Amherst down low for defensive purposes and a well oiled shooting machine on offense, not sure who can do this yet Dave. 
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Post by: Clutch on November 25, 2013, 04:54:42 PM
If Cabrini gets a bigman or two at the semester break, and their offense starts clicking to its potential guess it is possible they will be in the mix again.
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Post by: mailsy on November 26, 2013, 07:16:50 AM
Well, Cavs moved up to no. 9 in the most recent poll. Scranton received some votes and is essentially 41. Tonights game should be a good one.

In other news Neumann received 1 vote and are tied for no. 59.  ;D

GO CAVS!!!
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Post by: Clutch on November 27, 2013, 08:28:12 AM
Hey Mailsy, you better watchout your Cabrini team is heading for a head on collision against Wesley....should be interesting to see what your team can do at home against this team, I do realize the last time you faced them you did not have your star player and got blown out but kept it close.
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Post by: mailsy on November 27, 2013, 09:36:49 PM
Quote from: Clutch on November 27, 2013, 08:28:12 AM
Hey Mailsy, you better watchout your Cabrini team is heading for a head on collision against Wesley....should be interesting to see what your team can do at home against this team, I do realize the last time you faced them you did not have your star player and got blown out but kept it close.

That game is January 2, right? Well in the mean time in 2013. Cavs have to face Widener at Neumann, Gwynedd at home, Marywood on the road, Baptist Bible and then Randolph Macon at home before they even see Wesley. So I'll enjoy these games and my holidays before I worry about any collision with Wesley.  ;D
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Post by: mailsy on November 27, 2013, 09:51:16 PM
Some thoughts on last nights game. Scranton held tough. Didn't think they would ever miss any threes. What surprised me though. When Cavs big man picked up his 4th foul with 14 + minutes the Royals didn't seem to attack the basket.  They outsized Cabrini. So what gives? Cavs went into a zone defense, out hustled Scranton and basically put the clamps on Scranton defensively. What hurt Scranton was they just had way to many turnovers. Cabrini's quickness had a lot to do with that though. Thought it would be a much tighter contest throughout the game, just like the first half. But Cavs changed that.

BTW AWM is pretty good!  ;)
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Post by: Clutch on November 28, 2013, 12:32:46 PM
Hey Mailsy, you aint seen nothing yet from your AWM, he can do even more trust me, not to mention if your team gels he may just take you to the promised land if you get some nice bigs over there.
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Post by: mailsy on November 28, 2013, 12:59:19 PM
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Be safe and enjoy the day!!!  :)
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Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 28, 2013, 10:29:45 PM
Quote from: mailsy on November 27, 2013, 09:51:16 PM
Some thoughts on last nights game. Scranton held tough. Didn't think they would ever miss any threes. What surprised me though. When Cavs big man picked up his 4th foul with 14 + minutes the Royals didn't seem to attack the basket.  They outsized Cabrini. So what gives? Cavs went into a zone defense, out hustled Scranton and basically put the clamps on Scranton defensively. What hurt Scranton was they just had way to many turnovers. Cabrini's quickness had a lot to do with that though. Thought it would be a much tighter contest throughout the game, just like the first half. But Cavs changed that.

BTW AWM is pretty good!  ;)

I have seen size not being a factor in a number of games this season. Middlebury lost to both SMC and Cabrini despite having the size and struggled to control the boards accordingly. Size is great if you know how to take advantage of it, but some schools seem to be struggling with not having their bigs inside actually make a difference - and THAT is a major difference in games.
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Post by: Clutch on November 29, 2013, 08:29:46 AM
interesting Dave...would have thought the bigs could out rebound anyone with basketball logic 101 but seems not to be the case, if Cabrini could get another guy like Miller with a thick body and a guy who could fly on the wing for a dish and a dunk, they could be unstoppable ! ! !   As you say Dave, size is not a difference unless you use it, I find it truly amazing that a team like Scranton with shooters and bigs cannot execute their game better against a team like Cabrini.  Middlebury as well.   
Again, thinking the style of play in different conferences seems to be part of the equation, a team built with a little of both that is fast seems to do well against a team with bigs and just one or two shooters.  Teams like Wesley and VW, the Wisconson teams all seem to have this combo of speed, length and size which can be a formula for success, of course free throws and coaching decisions come into the mix.  Having said the above it seems like it will be a great season for the ODAC or a team like a Hobart with a veteran coach and some quicker athletic players.  Alvernia seems to have that combo but not deep enough if they get tired or injured. St Marys on the other hand fits the profile well as does a team like Stevenson.  In the meantime, is it just me or is the MidAtlantic on the rise?  I don't know enough about the south teams but the West in Illinois , Minnesota, wisconson etc....always seems to have those kind of teams in mix, and we all know the Northeast ( Amherst, etc...) is strong with the bigs and all Americans.  The intangible asset of being smart with the ball and having point guard who knows how to set up plays and draw out the defense for exploiting the assets of the team on offense helps too.  Really thinking the level of play of D3 is getting better and better.
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Post by: Clutch on November 30, 2013, 07:52:20 PM
Hey Mailsy, I see your Cabrini team won today against Widener, even though AWM scored 40 he also turned the ball over a few times today.  Looks like team is going to have to score a lot of points when going up against a team with a real offensive threat especially when they don't play great defense and take care of the ball.  Without a big man they are going to have a hard time against Wesley.  I am marking that game on my calendar.   Wesley is on a roll, beating a team ranked 8th today.   I may try to make it if both these teams continue on a collision course.  AWM is a difficult player to stop and if your team had another man he could dump it off to inside they could go a long way.....he seems to make your other guys look bad even though your Rafferty, and Picard are offensive threats.  I don't think St Mary's was as good as they have been but Wesley looks like a better test for Cabrini.
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Post by: Reserved Seat on November 30, 2013, 09:33:15 PM
Saint Mary's didn't have much at F&M today.  F&M's poor ball control was the difference in the game--too many unforced turnovers.  With up to 3 freshmen on the court at the same time, F&M seemed to lack knowledge of where their players were.  F&M blew the chance for a victory(upset) when they forced a shot with Saint Mary's up by one with 22 seconds to go.  Saint Mary's was able to take advantage of F&M lackadaisical ball control.  Saint Mary's, Alvernia, and Keystone all have trouble with F&M's defense, not their offense which is still looking for an identity.
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Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 01, 2013, 12:19:08 AM
Quote from: Clutch on November 29, 2013, 08:29:46 AM
interesting Dave...would have thought the bigs could out rebound anyone with basketball logic 101 but seems not to be the case, if Cabrini could get another guy like Miller with a thick body and a guy who could fly on the wing for a dish and a dunk, they could be unstoppable ! ! !   As you say Dave, size is not a difference unless you use it, I find it truly amazing that a team like Scranton with shooters and bigs cannot execute their game better against a team like Cabrini.  Middlebury as well. 

THIS has been my biggest question about Scranton for years... they have the tools but never seem to put it together especially for 25 games... always has me scratching my head.
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Post by: Clutch on December 01, 2013, 11:45:13 AM
Read you loud and clear DAVE !  but Amherst seems to do have the right formula consistently, with all due respect to every team out there that works hard night in and night out, no matter how small or large your school ,  I can only say it must come down to the communication between the coaches and players and whether or not the players have the basketball IQ to execute.   The tempo of the game controlled by the coaches does not matter unless the players execute the plan, (unless of course you are facing a dominant team who is just more talented and they dictate the play) some players just don't get it no matter how talented they are while some players without talent have the ability to listen to the coach keep their team in the game until crunch time and give their team a chance to win every night.   I also believe the toughness (mental toughness) of the player come into play as well.  Taking the charge, running the play called by the coach whether one agrees or not, setting the screens where the coach wants them set, not worrying about your own stats, and naturally fundamentals. Despite the fact one cannot teach "height" there are other variables to overcome the disadvantage on paper, although if the players on the court do not or are unable to execute it is all for naught making the "height" variable  seem more valuable.  I personally notice after the Sweet 16 round, it almost seems as the teams get to a level of calmness in their play.  The play seems to become smooth, less choppy, execution is like a well oiled machine.  What the coach says the team does.  The scores seem to be lower unless of course both teams are offensive machines with no defense although rare deep in the tourney to have no defense.  The tempo seems like a couple of boxers trading jabs gradually increasing the strength of the punch the first half when deep in the tourney, then the strengths of each team or lack of strengths are exploited such as number of fouls due to lack of size or speed etc.....yet the fundamentals like making a free throw, shooting smart shots, shooting as a team over 50%, setting a screen, securing a rebound, and not forcing a shot up which causes a point swing always seem to be part of the game no matter how big or small a team.  Blaming the officials is always part of the disgruntled fan base, on occasion a ref blows a call but usually a make up call follows. Difficult to blame the intelligence of a player or lack of basketball IQ on an official.  The ability of a coach to have his team fight hard for the entire 39 minutes and 59 seconds always helps as well.
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Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 01, 2013, 12:50:58 PM
Clutch... I don't disagree... I am indicating that Scranton seems to have the tools to execute a great inside/outside game but never seem to succeed at it. I am agreeing with you.

Where the problem is? I don't know... their coach is a good guy who does a great job (since I sit practically next to him at least once a year)... the players are pretty smart as well. I wonder sometimes if maybe they over-scout the opposing team?

Anyway... Scranton is in the Landmark, so I won't bore the CSAC board any more with chat about them :).
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Post by: Clutch on December 01, 2013, 04:41:56 PM
thx for your opinion, coach Danzig is a great guy and so is his son.  Their team works very hard as you say maybe too hard on the analyzing thanks Dave.
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Post by: Clutch on December 03, 2013, 12:31:19 PM
GMC & Cabrini.....a display of sloppy basketball Cabrini needs to get focused quick if they really want to make a run.  Cabrini was up handily, until Moss sat then their lead evaporated.  Not so sure this team is deep enough off their bench on defense nor offense. 
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Post by: Clutch on December 03, 2013, 12:37:18 PM
If they are shooting well they win, if not when Moss cannot penetrate as was the case later in game they do not have many options.  Having said that they always seem to find a way to win.  It is difficult to assess this team.  Historically they have beaten some strong teams on the road in the playoffs, yet this year it seems a little more difficult early for them especially when they are undermanned without players like Knowles, Williams, and their other big guy they had last year. In spite of this it now seems this team is ranked 6th in D3 now.  Somehow this coach and team get it done.

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Post by: Clutch on December 03, 2013, 12:56:12 PM
Just another observation with Cabrini, they cannot seem to rebound with the exception of Moss, when this happens the shooting of Rafferty and Picard have to pick it up for the lack of defense and rebounding. To be fair the height of GMC did cause some problems. 
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Post by: Clutch on December 04, 2013, 05:15:22 PM
Curious as to how coach Simmons will plan against Cabrini tonight....with his credentials and work ethic I wonder if he will keep his team hanging around long enough to give the Pacers a fighting chance.  Since its a home game for the Pacers you never know if there will be a little let down for the ranked opponent.  Just never know if a team will shoot well or not or whether the free throws will go down the bucket.  Would not be surprised if this is a closer game than expected. Besides the ranked opponent could have a target on their back now.


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Post by: Clutch on December 05, 2013, 09:10:15 AM
looks like GMC outlasted Neumann, in a tight game, the pace seemed slow and naturally Cabrini  beat Marywood. 
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Post by: Clutch on December 07, 2013, 08:39:07 AM
is the Baptist Bible game at 7:00 or 1:00.   Was looking at the game and website with articles on Cabrini and noticed it says 1 pm while the D3 schedule says 7 pm.  Anybody know?
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Post by: mailsy on December 10, 2013, 09:58:13 AM
Cavs now ranked fourth. Wow.  :o They even got a number 1 vote. Target just keeps getting bigger. Their next game is Randolph Macon on the 18th. Cavs have a chance to get back at them for the 29 point beating they took at Albright during the 2010 NCAA tournament.   ;D Granted the only people involved in that game were the coaching staffs.  8-)
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Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 10, 2013, 03:29:13 PM
Quote from: mailsy on December 10, 2013, 09:58:13 AM
Cavs now ranked fourth. Wow.  :o They even got a number 1 vote. Target just keeps getting bigger. Their next game is Randolph Macon on the 18th. Cavs have a chance to get back at them for the 29 point beating they took at Albright during the 2010 NCAA tournament.   ;D Granted the only people involved in that game were the coaching staffs.  8-)

I know who voted them #1... and it almost got me to make a drastic decision as such... but I stayed conservative :)
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Post by: Clutch on December 10, 2013, 04:39:16 PM
HAHAHA......Dave and Mailsy at it again.  That game is next Weds.  5pm Looked it up Mailsy.  I want to be there but you wont know me.   Cabrini sure ran into a hot Randolph Macon team back then Mailsy.  The ODAC rules.   Dave, you are surprising me ! ! !  The Mid Atlantic and a small team.  Hey its all good.  Just trying to figure out how the hell that team and coach do it, they always seem undermanned but the heart and legacy of their past must have something to do with it.
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Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 10, 2013, 08:25:35 PM
How am I surprising you? Mid-Atlantic has a lot of good teams right now and is not a has-been region any more... and small teams win all of the time. I can rattle off a number of national champions who didn't exactly measure up.
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Post by: Clutch on December 11, 2013, 09:52:12 AM
"measure up" like that term Dave LOL.... that's why one must love hoops, what you are saying is any team can get there and do it on the final stage as long as they play a good game of hoops. I was just being sarcastic seems funny to see Cabrini up there this early and have a first place vote.  Will be interesting to see if that team will get even better or peak out and fade away.  Catholic, Scranton, Dickinson, Wesley , and F&M looking like good teams which will get better, and cannot count out St Marys especially if they have all their players.  In the past it always seemed the ODAC , Northeast, and West got the nods for the first place votes just so strange seeing Cabrini up there.  Having said that I must give credit to Marcus Kahn the head coach of Cabrini for doing a great job keeping Cabrini in the rankings.  The program at Cabrini is getting attention these days. The Cabrini team is becoming a regional powerhouse and arguably a national powerhouse.  Kahn is handling it very well, no big heads, just a good plan for a program to succeed.  His staff seems focused as well and are getting valuable experience for continuing a program on a level inherited  with the passion, dedication and hard work associated with the past (Dzik era).  One must admit their basketball program has turned the corner with their consistent play on the road and their home record speaks well.  At times in the recent past I have heard folks say their team  never gets any credit, they always have to deal with adversity, and not to mention stereotypes of teams from the metropolitan areas and their style of play.  Therefore, I am not surprised they are ranked this high due to the accomplishments of their basketball program, their past history even going back to their NAIA days which has blended into their current play.  For a small school, Cabrini has a rich basketball alumni I am told, and their fan base is slowly growing.  Their facility is also a nice little place.  Having said these things Dave I can see why their team wins consistently even with a couple of all-Americans on the roster.
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Post by: Clutch on December 11, 2013, 09:54:57 AM
Hey Dave ,   I also wonder who Pat voted for?????
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Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 11, 2013, 10:11:04 PM
I have no idea who Pat voted for... I usually don't ask him... though it does come up in conversation on occasion when we are having a beer... but mainly to pick brains. I think more times than not he and I have the same vote. The person who voted for Cabrini actually told me on his own...

Cabrini has come a long way since the early days of Hoopsville when I remember restarting the show and the first guest I had on the show that night was Coach Dzik. He was announcing that the school was not bringing him back - this was halfway through the season. The outcry was enormous especially from the strong basketball alumni and it resulted in the school struggling to find the right coaches to keep what had been a proud program... afloat. Cabrini was a regional power and perenial NCAA tournament team (I remember announcing one of their first round games at Goucher early in my announcing career). But after Dzik was let go... it got ugly. It is very nice to see Coach Kahn resurrect what is a proud program inspite of what the higher-ups did to the program all of those years ago.

As for the Mid-Atlantic and first place votes... to be honest, no team in this region has really earned them in a long time (maybe as far back as CUA's title). The region is not known for depth or a lot of good teams at the top - just the occasional team that shows up at the Final Four and doesn't usually end up winning a title (Elizabethtown, F&M, Cabrini - came close, York, etc.). However, I think this is the first year I can say that the region has finally elevated itself into the conversation. F&M helped in the last few years raise the quality of play in this region, but it has been SMC and Cabrini that have taken the mantle and run with it. Now you see Catholic, Scranton, Alvernia and others starting to gain momentum and recruiting is clearly up.

That all being said... voters from around the nation aren't going to be sold on the region until something else happens. SMC and Cabrini where in Salem last year, but Cabrini has been the only team to threaten for a national title from this region since maybe Catholic. As a result, voters are still leary that the competition isn't that good. However, I think Cabrini, SMC, Alvernia, Catholic, Scranton, Juniata, Dickinson and others have a chance of changing that perception... but as I said about the MAC Commonwealth being strong but not showing it when it counts... the Mid-Atlantic region has to start consistently showing it in the tournament - and I am not talking about just two teams.
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Post by: Clutch on December 12, 2013, 09:14:28 AM
Thank you Dave, you said it very well.  As the season progresses we shall see how the teams in this region pan out. Looking at Cabrini's schedule it seems they play two out of conference games next .   If they manage to win those two, (not going to be too easy),  and they run the conference undefeated again, with their SOS barring any injuries etc....potentially they could host a couple of rounds if the geography pans out in the selection giving them one heck of a shot at getting back to Salem. Not sure with Cabrini though, historically they get some transfers in after the New Year and if they get the right pieces they could have the potential to do some serious damage in the tourney assuming they continue to play as they are now.
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Post by: mailsy on December 18, 2013, 09:04:45 PM
Great win for the Cavs! Aaron another 40 point night and it didn't seem like that. Late in the game someone asked me how many points he had. I said like 24. I looked at the stats at the end of the game he was 16-21 from the field and 8-12 from the line. Cavs shot below their average from the line. RMC shot 65.4%. Cavs were outsized by Randy Mac but outrebounded them 41-34. They played great defense at the end of the game and shut down RMC. That was the difference.
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Post by: Clutch on December 19, 2013, 09:13:07 AM
impressive win for your team Mailsy.  Aaron Walton Moss is a force to reckon with, he out jumped the trees, nobody can stop him in the paint unless they triple team him. He is a dominant force, and Miller was battling hard but had a difficult time in the trees at times. If your team gets another big guy look out ! ! !  (one that can play) .  Notice Vinny Walls being aggressive and AJ Picard can shoot the lights out, looking like your team is becoming better in shutting down teams as well at crunch time.  A nice balanced team with a coach who gets it.  Must admit the sky could be the limit for Cabrini if they can manage to play like they have been or add a guy or two.  You have a freshman there too named Brent Mahoney, he also looks like he could have some potential I noticed he is coming off an injury.  What happened with Fran Rafferty last night? 
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Post by: Clutch on December 28, 2013, 09:03:39 AM
Congratulations to Aaron Walton Moss on making the CSAC honor roll. 
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Post by: mailsy on January 08, 2014, 11:38:05 PM
Cavs win easily tonight. 91-51.  ::) Held the Highlanders to 19 points in the second half. Best defensive effort of the year. :P
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Post by: NEPAFAN on January 09, 2014, 10:20:59 AM
What is with the eye roll?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 09, 2014, 10:34:05 AM
Did you watch the game?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 09, 2014, 10:43:52 AM
No but I know the two teams aren't even in the same league....
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on January 12, 2014, 11:20:06 AM
I think Mailsy may be implying that every guy on the team scored and played not to mention maybe one starter and some newbies held the points down.  That game could have been 150-50 Mailsy if I read you right. The coach gave everybody the night off and they still held them to low points I am assuming.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on January 12, 2014, 11:24:05 AM
Hey Mailsy I saw a new guy and a freshman dunk yesterday from off the bench whats up with that?  Did Cabrini get a new guy in ?  I looked on your roster not sure if it is J. Ferro.    Cavaliers looked pretty rusty, then when Aaron Walton Moss warmed up nobody could stop him.  He played well on defense with another double double , I don't know if anyone can stop that guy plus he is getting better all around.  Your team may have something special going on this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 12, 2014, 11:47:03 AM
Quote from: Clutch on January 12, 2014, 11:20:06 AM
I think Mailsy may be implying that every guy on the team scored and played not to mention maybe one starter and some newbies held the points down.  That game could have been 150-50 Mailsy if I read you right. The coach gave everybody the night off and they still held them to low points I am assuming.

Fair enough! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 12, 2014, 01:53:04 PM
Clutch... I had heard a new player joined the Cabrini roster... but can't tell you much about him. This tends to happen for Cabrini every year and usually changes the dynamic for the better (i.e. Aaron Walton-Moss).
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on January 13, 2014, 09:41:53 AM
thx Dave, I see they did get a new name, but I was looking to see if they got a big man, I see a number 22 playing but he needs gain some weight, and the guy that dunked looks like he was the on the state championships squad in  Pa ,  Brent Mahoney.  He seems to play more.  Notice the guy who played with Moss does play much for some reason these days.  Saw him go to the rim hard with Moss against RM, but not in much in conference games it seems. Is that an intentional strategy there Mailsy?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 13, 2014, 10:48:17 AM
Quote from: Clutch on January 13, 2014, 09:41:53 AM
thx Dave, I see they did get a new name, but I was looking to see if they got a big man, I see a number 22 playing but he needs gain some weight, and the guy that dunked looks like he was the on the state championships squad in  Pa ,  Brent Mahoney.  He seems to play more.  Notice the guy who played with Moss does play much for some reason these days.  Saw him go to the rim hard with Moss against RM, but not in much in conference games it seems. Is that an intentional strategy there Mailsy?


Could you clarify. If you mean Walls - team issue. The big guy you mentioned, Mahoney, had some injuries early and the break has certainly helped that. He seems to be getting used to the system. The new guy is Joe Ferro. He is a NAIA D2 transfer from Florida. Once he get his legs under him, he will definitely help the team out.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on January 13, 2014, 05:50:09 PM
Mailsy, was wondering if the guy who played with Moss (Walls) assuming him=== is injured or what, if its a school issue so be it, but did not know if your coach was sitting him out for later or something. Early in the year the talk was he would be great with Moss but have not seen him much that's all.   This Ferro guy is he a shooter or what?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 13, 2014, 06:07:46 PM
No not injured. He can play. But we know how young men can be sometimes. I believe he will be playing more. Just some internal things that were going on with the team. (Nothing grade related-to clarify). Ferro is a shooter. I still think he might be playing more "5" as needed until he gets accustomed to the system and gets his legs. I don't believe he played last semester. So we'll see. Just from what I've heard.

Cavs take on the Mighty Macs of Immaculata tonight on the road. Cairn hosts Centenary, Marywood hosts BBC and Keystone travels down to the cozy Griffin Center in Gwynedd, PA to take on Gwynedd Mercy. Best of luck to all the teams. Some more than others.  ;D

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 14, 2014, 09:03:53 AM
Cavaliers now ranked #3 in nation in D3Hoops top 25. Highest ranking "in season" ever.  :) Highest ranking since losing national championship 2 years ago. (#2)

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2013-14/week6
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on January 14, 2014, 11:55:13 AM
Lets see how long this will last,  a hungry wolf is lurking, Cabrini may have been saved by the weather.  Wesley is hot hot hot, and licking their chops.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 14, 2014, 12:27:08 PM
Quote from: Clutch on January 14, 2014, 11:55:13 AM
Lets see how long this will last,  a hungry wolf is lurking, Cabrini may have been saved by the weather.  Wesley is hot hot hot, and licking their chops.

Not so sure Cabrini isn't licking their chops to play someone with some caliber of talent. No #3 team should ever be "saved by the weather," but I get your point. Wesley probably more excited to get Cabrini than vice versa. Wesley certainly has the tougher road leading their matchup with Cabrini on 2/3. Both teams doing a great job this year!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on January 14, 2014, 04:34:15 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, last time Wesley won at home, I believe Lemons was gone and Moss did not play so this time it should be interesting, I believe Cabrini came back at the end but fell short.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 14, 2014, 09:27:53 PM
Last year Wesley won 92-77 at home. Lemons was gone. But Aaron was there he played in just his second game. Played 26 minutes and had 15 points. Game was tied at 74 with less 4 minutes to go. Cabrini only scored 3 points the rest of the way. Missed to many shots. Went 1-11 from the field and 0-2 from the line at the end whereas Wesley went 12-13 at the line and was 3-5 from the field.

I see a different game on the 3rd. But there is a whole lot of basketball to be played before then.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on January 15, 2014, 09:10:16 AM
Cabrini needs to move to another conference Mailsy, that conference is not strong. Not taking anything away from Cabrini, but they may not be undefeated if they played night in and night out against better conference opponents, they have played tougher out of conf games this year and proven themselves on the road in the tourney, but from today until Wesley they should win every game with ease.  Waiting for the CSAC conference to fold.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 15, 2014, 10:26:16 AM
Quote from: Clutch on January 15, 2014, 09:10:16 AM
Cabrini needs to move to another conference Mailsy, that conference is not strong. Not taking anything away from Cabrini, but they may not be undefeated if they played night in and night out against better conference opponents, they have played tougher out of conf games this year and proven themselves on the road in the tourney, but from today until Wesley they should win every game with ease.  Waiting for the CSAC conference to fold.

Why should Cabrini leave the CSAC and where should they go?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 15, 2014, 10:37:56 AM
Quote from: Clutch on January 15, 2014, 09:10:16 AM
Cabrini needs to move to another conference Mailsy, that conference is not strong. Not taking anything away from Cabrini, but they may not be undefeated if they played night in and night out against better conference opponents, they have played tougher out of conf games this year and proven themselves on the road in the tourney, but from today until Wesley they should win every game with ease.  Waiting for the CSAC conference to fold.

Why would the CSAC fold? Not every conference is going to be the NESCAC, ODAC ect.... Maybe some of the schools in the CSAC need to simply recruit better players.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2014, 02:11:33 PM
CSAC isn't going any where and honestly Cabrini isn't either... I do see a conference where Cabrini fits in with all of their sports, academic standards, etc. For now... that is where Cabrini is residing.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on January 15, 2014, 05:54:11 PM
OK, it just that I remember when Cabrini played Alvernia, Allentown (desales) Eastern, Misericordia, night in and night out, not tiny little schools, I would have thought Cabrini would have been in the MAC, just had a hunch this conference would not survive to much longer if the economy takes a worse turn with some of the schools in this conference.  There would probably be someone else to fill in if a program folds I guess, so the conference will go on as long as kids are coming to the school.  Could see Cabrini in the Capital too.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on January 15, 2014, 05:59:04 PM
Please, not saying Cabrini does not play a tough schedule out of conference, just some of their numbers may not be as good statistically if they had to play in a better conference, your point is well taken about the conference needing to recruit better athletes, but, their budgets restrict them when a school has financial issues. Seems as if some choose to go to a community college to save money then transfer, and in Cabrini's geographical area there is a saturation of colleges and universities in the Philadelphia area to compete with all the small schools.  Did not mean to ruffle any feathers guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 15, 2014, 06:24:02 PM
Quote from: Clutch on January 15, 2014, 05:59:04 PM
Please, not saying Cabrini does not play a tough schedule out of conference, just some of their numbers may not be as good statistically if they had to play in a better conference, your point is well taken about the conference needing to recruit better athletes, but, their budgets restrict them when a school has financial issues. Seems as if some choose to go to a community college to save money then transfer, and in Cabrini's geographical area there is a saturation of colleges and universities in the Philadelphia area to compete with all the small schools.  Did not mean to ruffle any feathers guys.

I'm not ruffled.  I was just wondering.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on January 16, 2014, 09:49:07 AM
Thanks Lefty, hey noticed Wesley won again.  Cabrini and Wesley game is really shaping up to be a good one.
Could mean hosting a playoff game if these teams stay hot.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on January 16, 2014, 10:20:34 AM
Truly, I live for the day when people stop referencing "academic standards" when they're discussing Division 3 sports.  Size and locations of colleges are the most important.  NO ONE knows the academic credentials of a student athlete but the registrar's office.  IMHO it's just wrong to keep harping on it!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on January 16, 2014, 11:48:08 AM
Quote from: kate on January 16, 2014, 10:20:34 AM
Truly, I live for the day when people stop referencing "academic standards" when they're discussing Division 3 sports.  Size and locations of colleges are the most important.  NO ONE knows the academic credentials of a student athlete but the registrar's office.  IMHO it's just wrong to keep harping on it!

It's not simply about "academic standards," but I do think a lot of schools desire to be in conferences with schools whom they often recruit students and student-athletes directly against. Obviously, there are some for whom that is never going to be entirely possible (Merchant Marine, for example) and I do think this pertains especially to the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic geographic areas of the country because of the high concentration of all sorts of schools (though the SAA and UAA are two examples of conferences who are very spread out geographically but choose to align themselves with what they consider are "similar schools.")  For the schools in the Northwest Conference, they don't have much choice due to geographic realities, unless they wanted to leave Division III, for example. The NEAC is also a conference with a very different mission, so to speak. It has found a niche as a Northeast/Mid-Atlantic conference for schools who cannot find another league or who are just transitioning into Division III and will eventually be planning a move to another conference. There is really nothing wrong with the reason any specific conference exists at the Division III level, just as there's nothing inherently wrong about a school deciding another conference might be a better fit, for whatever reason.

I will concede that "like-minded" is a phrase that has been co-opted by liberal arts schools who want to make a statement about the quality of their education without actually having the guts to do so. That's not the original meaning behind the phrase, however.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 16, 2014, 12:03:32 PM
Quote from: kate on January 16, 2014, 10:20:34 AM
Truly, I live for the day when people stop referencing "academic standards" when they're discussing Division 3 sports.  Size and locations of colleges are the most important.  NO ONE knows the academic credentials of a student athlete but the registrar's office.  IMHO it's just wrong to keep harping on it!

Kate,

Don't kid yourself about who knows a student's academic credentials.

Coaches know if they can get a recruit accepted at their institution and find it frustrating when a player who couldn't get into school A goes on to be a star at school B - in the same conference.

While most of the institutions in your beloved MAC are similar in size and cost, there is a wide range of academic standards.  Hence, the reason some schools chose to leave and compete against 'like-minded' institutions.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on January 16, 2014, 12:56:05 PM
Sunny and Lefty - would I ever love to have a sit down conversation with both of you!    Like the Patriot League, the vast number of D3 schools here in the east are highly competitive, for general students and student athletes.  I can see some college president saying "we have to establish a brand here".  Make people think that we're totally "cerebral".  Sports are a pleasant by-product.  o.K., the Patriot League now awards scholarships.   Moravian is just about 5 miles from my home, and my brother is a Super proud Lehigh grad.  I do read the newspapers, and much of what I read makes me wonder about "like-minded".  To play the devil's advocate here, I'd much rather have any kid on a playing field or court than trying to rob me or rip me off.  To quote a tremendous slogan - "a mind is a terrible thing to waste".   Lefty, I sure wish you appreciated the MAC the way I have for the last 17 years!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on January 16, 2014, 04:50:03 PM
Quote from: kate on January 16, 2014, 12:56:05 PM
To play the devil's advocate here, I'd much rather have any kid on a playing field or court than trying to rob me or rip me off.

I'm not sure what this has to do with the topic of schools aligning themselves athletically with schools that they recruit against for students. I in no way would question the value of any college nor anyone's pursuit of higher education, be it a doctorate or a six-month pre-professional program.

Division III is a big tent and I'm glad it is made up of a wide variety of schools. At the conference level, schools can organize for whatever reason they see fit - number of sports, size of school, geographic location, majors, similar profile among incoming students, religious affiliation, state university system association, even access to an AQ. I don't see any problem in that whatsoever.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on January 16, 2014, 05:17:57 PM
Kate, you have me confused, you are the one that brought up academic standards, my post regarding  Cabrini, and recruits suggests financial stability of the college, the location , and the saturation of colleges in the Philly suburbs. I did not mention anything about academic standards.  Its all about the allocation of money in one way or another. Not to mention the support an institution could provide to help a student succeed both on and off the court. To quote Sunny, "Division III is a big tent" is a good thing.  The variety offers a tailored education and academic experience for all types of students. I have seen it first hand with a student not being accepted to a college because of academic ability, then goes onto a different institution succeeds both on and off court, only because an institution gave him or her a shot at it,  the academic standards are something regulated by the state, or the accreditation body not sure what you mean.  Unless you are referring to the aptitude or intelligence of the prospective student?  I would also think that SAT scores come into play more for selecting a "cerebral" school.  I guess it depends if you are going to school to play sports, get an education, or both.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on January 16, 2014, 05:22:17 PM
Oops, or how bad an institution wants to compete against another institution to recruit.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on January 16, 2014, 05:37:02 PM
Please read Dave's post#2989 on the previous page.  Still haven't mastered that quote thing  :(
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on January 16, 2014, 05:42:00 PM
Sorry Kate!!!!!  read you loud and clear. My bad.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2014, 05:57:36 PM
Quote from: kate on January 16, 2014, 05:37:02 PM
Please read Dave's post#2989 on the previous page.  Still haven't mastered that quote thing  :(

Kate - just click the "quote" link on the upper right of someone's post and it automatically puts it in a window for you to write below it...
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on January 17, 2014, 09:08:28 AM
Hey Mailsy, having said with confidence that Wesley will win against Cabrini, on the otherhand, if Cabrini's youth steps up without having one of their regular scorers in the line up, well then I will say Cabrini is for real and does deserve their ranking.  I would expect to see them in the tourney if they can win their conference maybe getting to host a game or two depending upon this crazy NCAA geographical criteria.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 17, 2014, 11:04:13 AM
Quote from: Clutch on January 17, 2014, 09:08:28 AM
Hey Mailsy, having said with confidence that Wesley will win against Cabrini, on the otherhand, if Cabrini's youth steps up without having one of their regular scorers in the line up, well then I will say Cabrini is for real and does deserve their ranking.  I would expect to see them in the tourney if they can win their conference maybe getting to host a game or two depending upon this crazy NCAA geographical criteria.

Cabrini will be in the tournament if they win their conference tournament or not. Their not losing more than 2/3 games the rest of the season and I would take the under on that one.

Coaches absolutely know the academic standings of potential student athletes. You do not spend time and money recruiting a potential student athlete to find out after 3 moths or when they finally apply that they have a 2.2 and 800 SAT (random example) or that someone has a 3.9 and 1300 SAT.

I can only speak for the Mid Atlantic Region- they recruit a ton of the same players. Schools like Dickinson, F&M and other Centennials can go beyond a 2-4 hour radius especially up in New England and to prep schools because the strength of their academics will attract that demographic of kids/families bc of financial and academic reasons.

Unfortunately there will always be a perceived notion that some schools get certain student athletes and some get others. Where I live (Lancaster, PA) most schools are in the MAC (Alvernia, Albright, LVC, Etown, Messiah ect.) which is the conference I follow the most. Messiah, LVC and Etown certainly have higher academic standards when it comes to being accepted than other schools in the conference. Doesn't mean they can't recruit the same kids, just means some price tags are higher and some potential student athletes simply can not get accepted at one school but can at another. The flip side is some of those schools will be able to recruit some student athletes who want a better perceived education by a better school (Messiah/LVC vs say Alvernia) so a kid may not even look at one school who they think is inferior in academics- I would assume a lot of this is based on the strength of a specific major and what they think a degree from a certain school will help them earn in the real world 4 years later. Each school has a niche and it's the coaches job to find the best players who fit what their school offers the best.

I do agree with Clutch in that athletic budgets make a difference. A couple factors to consider would be 1- manpower- does a staff have FT assistants and/or GA's or is it simply on the head coach to get out every night? This does make a huge difference. 2- Does the recruiting budget come out of the program/athletic department or does the recruiting budget come out of admissions budget (happens more than you think. I could name 2 where it does happen but will keep that off public forum) 3- What is the total recruiting budget. Is there a cap? Can you fund raise? Does fundraising go back to your account or to a general athletic account then divvied up fairly amongst all programs.

That may make no sense! Normally don't like to be on a soap box  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Clutch on January 17, 2014, 11:58:59 AM
CC Hoopster, it makes total sense in my book, again the personal choice of the potential student athlete has all those variables involved when considering what school to attend.  Those other variables from the side of the school you mentioned afford and institution to offer its strengths or assets when recruiting. Some schools just cant compete with others when looking at specific variables, while others can.  This may limit the choice of a candidate based on what the candidate values from one's individual preference in obtaining an education.  I think you make total sense.  Also the alumni base of an institution can help if former athletes are involved in careers in athletics or education in general when networking and recruiting.  Have a great weekend.  Everyone enjoy their hoops no matter who you are cheering for ! ! ! ! !
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 17, 2014, 12:33:25 PM
Quote from: Clutch on January 17, 2014, 11:58:59 AM
CC Hoopster, it makes total sense in my book, again the personal choice of the potential student athlete has all those variables involved when considering what school to attend.  Those other variables from the side of the school you mentioned afford and institution to offer its strengths or assets when recruiting. Some schools just cant compete with others when looking at specific variables, while others can.  This may limit the choice of a candidate based on what the candidate values from one's individual preference in obtaining an education.  I think you make total sense.  Also the alumni base of an institution can help if former athletes are involved in careers in athletics or education in general when networking and recruiting.  Have a great weekend.  Everyone enjoy their hoops no matter who you are cheering for ! ! ! ! !

Nice point about alumni. Certainly played a part in my college choice (played 4 years of D3, not recently  :P ) when I received a call from an alumni who's career was what I was looking into as a major/potential career.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on January 17, 2014, 01:00:13 PM
Clutch and CCHoopster, Thank You!  You both have brought up some really thought provoking aspects of the whole D3 sports arena!  Especially enjoyed reading about where recruiting budgets come from.  Always wondered about that.  Love it when the school creates a strong alumni base for many reasons but it's especially useful in D3.  Thanks again - maybe our paths will cross at a game sometime.  Tomorrow we're headed to Aggie land for the first time in a month.  Miss them terribly!  Good luck to your respective teams as well!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 20, 2014, 12:10:29 PM
Another conference contest tonight. Doubleheader between Marywood and the Cavaliers. Massey predicts 92-64 Cabrini over Marywood. Cavs have won 6 straight including a win 90-71 on December 4, 2013. Last win for Marywood was 1/10/11(57-55) at home. Cavs lead series 18-5.

Also today Keystone hosts Immaculata this afternoon at 3:00, Baptist Bible travels to Centenary and Neumann heads up the Blue Route to take on Rosemont. Best of luck to everyone. More to others. ;D

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 21, 2014, 12:41:56 PM
http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/GetOneInstitutionData.aspx


This site will give you the athletic budget, and recruiting budget for any school.   good resource.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 23, 2014, 07:09:04 AM
Cavs now 15-0 and 9-0 in conference. Neumann had no answer for Walton-Moss and Rafferty last night. Brennan McCann had 17 pts(career high)  and with AWM(27) and Rafferty(25) had 69 points combined. One more than Neumanns' entire team (68). Final 94-68.

Rafferty was on fire in the 1st half. 7-11 from the field 5-7 on 3's and 2-2 from the line(21 points). He was hitting 3's from past NBA range. Hit a buzzer beater at the half to give Cavs a 20 point lead.

Second buzzer beater at the half I've seen in a week. :o Rosemont hit one at the buzzer against Cavs on 1/15.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 24, 2014, 11:31:13 PM
Here is a great story about Cabrini's Aaron Walton Moss in the Philadelphia Daily News.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/20140124_Walton-Moss_making_an_impact_at_Cabrini_-_and_his_own_life.html
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 29, 2014, 09:19:37 AM
Thanks for the share.

Hoping no losses for Cabrini or Wesley until their showdown. That is setting itself up to be a WAR!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 30, 2014, 11:55:51 AM
Coach Marcus Kahn of Cabrini will be on Hoopsville at 2:40pm today. Hoopsville is doing a marathon show today. I'm sure he'll be discussing last nights game and the next few games coming up, including Wesley.

http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/jan30
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 03, 2014, 11:11:43 AM
Cabrini and Wesley game has been postponed. No date set.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2014, 11:56:45 AM
This one is going to get harder and harder to reschedule... in fact... I don't see another date possible.

Cabrini's schedule:
- 2/5 HOME
- 2/10 AWAY
- 2/12 AWAY
- 2/15 AWAY
- 2/17 AWAY
- 2/19 HOME

Wesley's schedule:
- 2/5 AWAY
- 2/8 HOME
- 2/12 AWAY
- 2/15 AWAY
- 2/19 HOME
- 2/22 HOME
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 03, 2014, 12:31:36 PM
Well. How bout Feb. 10? I know Cabrini plays Cairn but on the schedule it has TBA.  ??? I'm sure Cairn would be willing to play another day for the sake of the basketball gods!  ;D Unless the weather gods don't want Cabrini and Wesley to play. Probably some other force of mother nature will come through. Oh well. Maybe in the NCAA tournament?  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2014, 12:59:44 PM
If you move Cairn... where do you move them to?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 03, 2014, 01:04:05 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2014, 12:59:44 PM
If you move Cairn... where do you move them to?

Off the schedule?  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2014, 01:08:07 PM
LOL too bad they are a conference game :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 03, 2014, 03:29:51 PM
Right now Cabrini is 12-0 in conference. Neumann is 8-4. Both teams have 6 games remaining. IF Cavs win Wednesday they are 13-0. Neumann plays at Marywood. IF Neumann loses they would go 8-5. Now Cavs are 7-0 against teams now in playoff hunt in conference(top 6 make CSAC playoffs). (8-0 IF they win Wednesday). Neumann is 2-4 against those same teams. Now if everything plays out right. Cabrini would still finish in the top 2 and wouldn't play until Tuesday the 25th. I don't see Cairn making the playoffs. So Saturday 2/22 would be open for them to play.

Of course I do this tongue in cheek. It's all speculation and you never know how a season plays out until it plays out.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: 7express on February 03, 2014, 10:18:51 PM
When would Cabrini open the CSAC tournament, and will the CAC tournament still go Tuesday, Thursday & Saturday even with the new additions??  Maybe that following Sunday (the 23rd??)  I know it'll be back to back, but if you scheduled it in the late afternoon (4-7) I think Wesley would go for it.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 03, 2014, 11:27:10 PM
CSAC first round is Saturday February 22, #3 vs #6 and #4 vs #5. Semis are Tuesday February 25 and Final is Friday Feb 28.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2014, 12:49:55 AM
Yeah... there aren't really any dates that either team are going to be interested in.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 07, 2014, 10:27:01 AM
I find it interesting that twice this year the Wesley game gets postponed and the next game Cavs play is going to be Cairn. This time at Cairn. Granted there were another postponement in between, but still very interesting to have the same team be played after a postponement with Wesley.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 12, 2014, 11:53:05 PM
With tonight's win and Neumann's lost to Immaculata, Cabrini earns a bye for the conference playoffs. Two more conference wins and Cavaliers will get the #1 seed. Gwynedd needs 1 more win and they will lock up a bye as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 13, 2014, 06:24:10 AM
Congratulations to Aaron Walton-Moss, who etched his name in the Cabrini history books tonight. He became the 18th member of Cabrini's 1,000 point club. He did it in just 59 career games! Amazing!

The snow falls heavily. Wondering if they'll get tonight's game in against Immaculata or are we getting postponed again?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 13, 2014, 12:31:43 PM
Cabrini/Immaculata postponed again until 2/20.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 13, 2014, 02:03:43 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 13, 2014, 12:31:43 PM
Cabrini/Immaculata postponed again until 2/20.

Now that tonight is open, maybe they can play Wesley.    :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2014, 04:51:58 PM
It was a crazy week in basketball not only on the court, but off it as well. Pat Coleman joins me to talk about two interesting coaching moves and what the last two weeks of the regular season has in store for everyone.

We will also talk to Baptist Bible MBB coach Mike Shaw fresh off the Defender's big upset of #2 Cabrini along with the following guests:

- #25 Texas-Tyler WBB coach Kevin Baker
- Castleton State WBB coach Tim Barrett
- #7 Amherst MBB coach Dave Hixon
- Amherst super-fan Mike Wohl (we hope!)
- Rose-Hulman MBB Jim Shaw
- #21 Randolph-Macon MBB coach Nathan Davis

Show starts at 7 PM EST and will run at least 2:30 tonight.

You can tune in here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/feb16 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/jan12)

You can also follow us on social media
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Thanks and enjoy the show!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 17, 2014, 11:36:57 PM
Just read this article about former Keystone coach Nevada Smith. It's pretty cool  8-)

http://www.nba.com/dleague/news/houston_rockets_rgv_vipers_nevada_smith_the_man_behind_the_numbers_2014_02_13.html
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2014, 01:05:17 AM
Baptist Bible Coach Show to step down at season end; among the factors: Bucknell(his son JC' choice for college ball) & BBC play conference games on same nights.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2014, 01:11:27 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 19, 2014, 01:05:17 AM
Baptist Bible Coach Show to step down at season end; among the factors: Bucknell(his son JC' choice for college ball) & BBC play conference games on same nights.

More, including identity of his replacement, in our story:
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2014/02/baptist-bible-coach-stepping-down
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 21, 2014, 11:12:23 PM
Congratulations to Cabrini's Marcus Kahn, COY and Aaron Walton Moss POY. Back to back for both. Marcus reached win 150, in 6 six seasons, with the Cavaliers last night and won his 6th consecutive coach of the year today.

2013-14 Player of the Year: Aaron Walton-Moss, Jr., G, Cabrini College
2013-14 Rookie of the Year: Deshawn Lowman, Fr., G, Neumann University
2013-14 Coach of the Year: Marcus Kahn, Cabrini College

2013-14 ALL-CSAC TEAMS

FIRST TEAM ALL-CSAC         
Pos     Name                    Yr.       Team                Hometown/High School
F    Fran Rafferty              Sr.    Cabrini                King of Prussia, Pa./Upper Merion
G    Aaron Walton-Moss    Jr.    Cabrini                Camden, N.J./Camden
G    Darnell Artis              So.  Gwynedd Mercy   Philadelphia, Pa./LaSalle College
G/F    Duncan Lunsford     Jr.    Keystone                Marietta, Ga./Sprayberry
F     Mark Blount             Sr.    Neumann        Philadelphia, Pa./William Penn

SECOND TEAM ALL-CSAC         
Pos   Name                    Yr.   Team                    Hometown/High School
G    Luke Peterson         Sr.   Baptist Bible       Clarks Summit, Pa./Abington Heights
F    Arron Goodman     Fr.   Gwynedd Mercy    Newtown, Pa./Council Rock North
F    Mamadou Diakite   Jr.   Immaculata       Philadelphia, Pa./Constitution
G    Reggie Coleman   Sr.   Neumann               Trenton, N.J./Trenton Catholic
F    Dom Scafidi           Jr.   Rosemont               Clementon, N.J./Triton Regional

HONORABLE MENTION ALL-CSAC   
Pos   Name                   Yr.   Team               Hometown/High School
G    Abe Valentine           So.   Baptist Bible       Elyria, Ohio/Open Door
G    Justin Knight           Jr.   Gwynedd Mercy   Mays Landing, N.J./Oakcrest
G    Dan Candemeres   Jr.   Keystone               Holbrook, N.Y./Sachem East
G    Shane Kellaher   Jr.    Marywood               Dayton, Md./Glenelg
G    Ryan Corrigan           Sr.   Marywood               Harrisburg, Pa./Bishop McDevitt

CSAC SPORTSMANSHIP TEAM      
Name                   Yr.    Team             Hometown/High School
Luke Peterson       Sr.    Baptist Bible     Clarks Summit, Pa./Abington Heights
Vernon Robinson Sr.    Cabrini             New Castle, Del./William Penn
Kyle Bonner       So.    Cairn             Levittown, Pa./Conwell-Egan
Tim Brix               Sr.    Centenary     Monroe Township, N.J./Monroe
Colin Gates       Jr.      Gwynedd Mercy Boca Raton, Fla./Grandview Prep
William DeSantis  Jr.       Immaculata     Marlton, N.J./Cherokee
Alex Smith       Sr.    Keystone             Floyd, N.Y./Holland Patent
Matt Tintle       Sr.    Marywood    Vernon, N.J./Vernon Township
Mark Blount       Sr.    Neumann    Philadelphia, Pa./William Penn
Kiwan Murray       Sr.    Rosemont    Philadelphia, Pa./West Catholic
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 22, 2014, 07:19:54 AM
Good luck to the 4 teams playing today at 3:00 pm.

Keystone at Neumann
Rosemont at Immaculata

I believe both Neumann and Immaculata will defend their home court today and move on to Tuesday night.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 22, 2014, 05:12:01 PM
Semis are set. Neumann took care of home court beating Keystone 80-73. Keystone led at the half. They will now travel to the unfriendly confines  ;D of the Griffin Complex and take on Gwynedd Mercy Tuesday night.

Rosemont beat Immaculata on IU's home court 80-69. They will now take on Cabrini at 7:00 at Nerney Fieldhouse in the Dixon Center.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: nescac1 on February 24, 2014, 05:40:48 PM
Great article on Nevada Smith, including quotes from the Cabrini coach and stories from his time coaching in D3:

http://grantland.com/features/nba-dleague-rgv-vipers-houston-rockets-future-of-basketball/
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 25, 2014, 08:41:49 PM
Cavaliers win 109-97 over Rosemont. Neumann wins 95-78. Will travel to Radnor to face Cabrini on Friday 2/25 at 7:00.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2014, 10:41:38 PM
Mailsy,
  What's the story with G-M's Arron Goodman, averaging a double-double, but didn't play after 1/15? He was very impressive last year with his one semester @ Cabrini.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 26, 2014, 11:19:09 AM
Broke his wrist dunking a ball on the last scoring play of the game against Centenary on 1/15.

He never fit into Cabrini. Just wasn't comfortable.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 01, 2014, 10:56:07 AM
5 in a row now. Neumann took an early lead. But once the Cavs got going they never looked back. Neumann did get it down to 5 at 48-43 early in the second half and the next thing you know it was 57-43. Then the Cavs were up by 20 minutes later. Cavs were up 26 (91-65) with under 4 minutes to go and that's when Coach Kahn emptied the bench. Moments later Neumann's coach did the same. Great game on Cavs part. Looking forward to who they have next when the bracket is announced on Monday.

GO CAVS!!!

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 03, 2014, 10:03:22 PM
Cavs taking on Bridgewater State winners of the MASCAC on Friday at 7:30. No common opponents.

Bridgewater State:   16-11 (5-7 A)   Opponents:
72.5                           pts/gm              68.4
46.0%                         fg                   44.2%
34.5%                         3fg                 31.4%
6.7                             3fg/gm               4.7     
66.8%                           FT                  64.5%
13.6                            FT/gm               12.4
32.5                        rebounds/gm         38.8
14.6                         assists/gm            11.6
14.9                            TO/gm              16.1
8.5                            steals/gm             7.1
3.5                             blocks/gm            2.9

Leading Scorers:   Michael Lofton 16.6   Brendan Montiero 16.1
Leading Rebounders:  Michael Lofton  9.3    Kyle Gibson 6.4

Cabrini:       25-1 (13-0 H)    Opponents:
90.7               pts/gm             76.8
51.0%                 fg              42.7%
42.5%                 3fg             36.1%
9.6                    3fg/gm         7.6     
74.8%                  FT             69.2%
17.5                  FT/gm           15.5
39.2              rebounds/gm    33.5
14.0               assists/gm      12.3
12.5                  TO/gm         12.8
6.5                  steals/gm       5.3
2.5                   blocks/gm       2.1

Leading Scorers:   Aaron Walton-Moss 24.9 Vinny Walls 18.1
Leading Rebounders: Aaron Walton-Moss 10.6 Jon Miller 6.2
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2014, 10:11:11 PM

I'll probably be heading up to Cabrini again Friday.

Cabrini got a great draw - Bridgewater may be the worst team in the tournament (or not really any better than the worst team).
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 04, 2014, 11:11:02 AM
Going into the tourney Cavs are now ranked 4th. Other teams in the pod ranked are Stockton at #22 and Bowdoin at #35. Bridgewater not ranked.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 06, 2014, 08:00:55 PM
I'm very excited for this weekend to see the Cavs back in the NCAA's at home. The 400 mile trips last year were not something I was able to do. I gonna be able to get to the Dixon Center early and catch Stockton and Bowdoin. This is a great time of year! It is the end of Spring break at Cabrini. Hoping there is a good Cabrini student contingent in the gym.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2014, 12:19:51 AM

Cabrini - Stockton should be a fun game tomorrow night.  Lots of quick, shooters.  I think Stockton is going to (or attempt to) slow the pace way down.  It will be interesting to see who can dictate tempo.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 10, 2014, 10:29:54 AM
Mailsy, I went with your team in my picks. :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 10, 2014, 10:27:25 PM
So it's your fault.  :D Sorry that the team disappointed. It was like a punch in the gut the other night. Just couldn't believe that they lost. I was so confident they were gonna win the whole thing. That's what was so disappointing. It's been hard to even look at the site and know that Cabrini's out.

But Fran Rafferty, Jon Miller and Cory Frizzera go out as the winningest players in School History. Quite an accomplishment! Very proud of them as young men. They represented Cabrini and college sports very well over their tenure. Best of luck to them in there future endeavors. They will now be alumns and will root for their team as I do since graduating all those years ago. It is sad for them. But there are still so many great things out there for them to explore, enjoy and accomplish outside of college basketball. As always:

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 11, 2014, 12:45:13 PM
Yeah, that was the most tangible stomach punch/I-can't-believe-that-just-happened feeling I've seen i a while, partially because the gym was full and Cavs fans are into the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 11, 2014, 12:54:35 PM
I've known the feeling.  It seemed worse after an away game, because you thought about it all the way home.  The battle cry--next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on March 11, 2014, 04:06:40 PM
 Had the same feeling watching the Scranton men on the big screen, but it was lessened(but not eliminated) a few mins later by walking across the street and seeing the women win the 1st of their 2 NCAA games this past weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 11, 2014, 08:45:12 PM
Unfortunately for Cavs fans we knew the women lost earlier in OT after being up by double digits. The whole night of basketball was a let down. The drinking afterwards with friends helped ease the pain.  ;) Now to Cabrini Lacrosse?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 16, 2014, 09:35:16 PM
Congrats to Cabrini's Aaron Walton Moss and Brittany Sandone named to D3 Hoops first team all region for their prospective genders!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 17, 2014, 08:22:17 AM
Congrats also to Fran Rafferty for second team All-Region!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 22, 2014, 11:05:11 PM
Congrats to Cabrini's Aaron Walton Moss. First team All-American!!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on April 02, 2014, 10:22:07 PM
More congratulations to Cabrini's Aaron Walton Moss. He was named the NABC Division III Player of the Year!!  :)

http://nabc.org/awards/coy/2014_NABC_Coaches-_POY_release.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on April 29, 2014, 12:15:01 PM
Surprised and not surprised that Marcus Kahn is leaving Cabrini and heading to Mary Washington. He is a great coach and it seems the college is back to their old ways of not supporting the coaches. The college just doesn't seem to get it.  >:( Just one alums opinion. ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on April 29, 2014, 12:35:48 PM
Cool story on Aaron Walton Moss on CSN Philly.

http://www.csnphilly.com/ncaa/cabrini-walton-mosss-long-road-d3-player-year-examined
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on June 02, 2014, 10:59:50 PM
Down to the final days as a "member" of the MidAtlantic. It is going to be so odd going to the Atlantic region on a regular basis.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on June 03, 2014, 12:38:06 AM
Wow! That was fast.  :o We're out of the MidAtlantic already.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on June 03, 2014, 09:48:10 AM
 Any word on a new Cabrini head  coach? There's a twitter handle that covers coaching changes.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 03, 2014, 11:23:57 AM
I haven't seen any dirt on that, no ...
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on June 03, 2014, 02:05:56 PM
There have been some names I have heard. But I am not at liberty to say just yet. Sorry.  :-X
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on June 06, 2014, 10:30:44 AM
Cabrini has hired a new coach. Previous assistant to Marcus, Tim McDonald.

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/coaches.aspx?rc=513
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 20, 2014, 04:04:01 PM
For those who may not know... Cabrini and GMC will be participating in the Hoopsville Classic on November 21-23. Here is more information and the pairings: www.d3hoops.com/notables/2014/06/hoopsville-classic-pairings-announced (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2014/06/hoopsville-classic-pairings-announced)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chip on July 09, 2014, 04:05:14 PM
A solid hire keeping in house talent by Cabrini. Many do not understand the strong Assistant Coaches that Kahn had. McDonald was one of those along with Brown, Wiley, and Pendino. As long as the mad scientist (Wiley) and the personality (Brown) are on the bench alongside McDonald, Cabrini should be solid. Tim has worked hard and I hope that he has great success in his first year.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 10, 2014, 01:37:51 AM
Lots of programs think they have strong assistant coaches. We don't know for sure until they're called on to step up.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on August 14, 2014, 07:54:15 AM
Cabrini's schedule is up. They'll play 6 NCAA tournament teams from last year of the 7 out of conference games. Their seventh will be their cross street rivals Eastern. What a way to start the season.  :)

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 01, 2014, 06:20:11 PM
Nice article on Cabrini's Walton-Moss.  :)

http://cityofbasketballlove.com/2014/10/cabrinis-aaron-walton-moss-still-working-to-overcome-rough-past/

Cabrini had a meet and greet with alums and players today.  This is a young team - 8 Freshman. But they have some good leadership. So we will see. 2 Weeks to Wooster.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chip on November 05, 2014, 11:40:19 AM
Mailsy,

Any updates on any transfers to Cabrini? Big men to compliment their great guards? Can't wait for Hoopsville!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 05, 2014, 05:42:30 PM
Quote from: chip on November 05, 2014, 11:40:19 AM
Mailsy,

Any updates on any transfers to Cabrini? Big men to compliment their great guards? Can't wait for Hoopsville!


chip,

Just one transfer this semester. A guard. They have a center(6'5" big body) back who played in the first half of the Final Four season of 11-12, but hasn't played for Cabrini since. They recruited 3 freshman over 6'6". There might be a player with height in the second half of the season. That's what I know now.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: chip on November 08, 2014, 06:18:12 PM
Is that Aaron Goodman or Brandon Carter (I think that was his name)? Hoping Fagan finds some assertiveness this year. He has the athletic ability and size to run the floor and be great in transition with Walls and Moss. Walls and Moss will score, they just need some extra rebounding and floor spacing with Rafferty gone.

Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 08, 2014, 07:18:03 PM
Neither. Goodman is at Gwynedd and Brandon hasn't been seen playing bball at Cabrini in a few years(2010). Also I'm sure Fagan may find some assertiveness, but not with the Cavaliers as he transferred elsewhere.

Roster should be out soon enough. You'll get to see what they have.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on November 08, 2014, 11:14:39 PM
Quote from: mailsy on November 08, 2014, 07:18:03 PM
Neither. Goodman is at Gwynedd and Brandon hasn't been seen playing bball at Cabrini in a few years(2010). Also I'm sure Fagan may find some assertiveness, but not with the Cavaliers as he transferred elsewhere.

Roster should be out soon enough. You'll get to see what they have.  ;)

They're competing to be last in the Mid-Atlantic for releasing their roster; same with Kate on the women's side. Is the mimeograph broken?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 09, 2014, 10:32:25 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 08, 2014, 11:14:39 PM
Quote from: mailsy on November 08, 2014, 07:18:03 PM
Neither. Goodman is at Gwynedd and Brandon hasn't been seen playing bball at Cabrini in a few years(2010). Also I'm sure Fagan may find some assertiveness, but not with the Cavaliers as he transferred elsewhere.

Roster should be out soon enough. You'll get to see what they have.  ;)

They're competing to be last in the Mid-Atlantic for releasing their roster; same with Kate on the women's side. Is the mimeograph broken?

That my be true. Except the fact that Cabrini is no longer in the "Mid-Atlantic." Cavs are taking on the Atlantic now!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 11, 2014, 05:39:17 PM
Cavs roster is finally up!!

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball&
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 12, 2014, 10:38:50 PM
Aaron Walton Moss named first team preseason All-American. Last year he was on the third team and ended up as a first teamer. Health and continued success to him.  :)

http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-americans/men/preseason-2015

Less than 3 days to the start of the Cavs season. They will have a tough one to start the season as they travel to Wooster, again!(who also has first teamer in Xavier Brown). I'm sure it will be a fun game to watch.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 18, 2014, 10:30:52 PM
An interesting game last night at the Dixon Center. Very loud at times in the Dixon Center. That's what happens with cross street rivals. Cavs win the battle of Eagle Road for the 7th straight year. Cavs won by 6 could have won by more. They let Eastern hang around. This a young but talented team. Coaching staff is going to age a lot this year. AWM can't do the things he's doing at times because he doesn't have the maturity around him that he had from last year that could bail him out. He did have a triple double though. Hopefully this team will continue to grow. Let's see how they do this weekend at the Hoopsville Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 23, 2014, 11:41:06 PM
Good wins for the Cavaliers today beating #12 WPI. Unfortunately the Cavs starting PG, Ivan Robinson, hurt his knee in the second half. We'll see how that will affect this team this year. I'm sure it is going to hurt. They are now down two guards.

They are now 4-0 at the Hoopsville Classic. They do a fantastic job. Stevenson has a great facility and a very welcoming environment. Broadcast is pretty good gave me an opportunity to see Saturday's game on demand. I only had one minor issue with the broadcast. In both games at the beginning of the game Cabrini is identified as the "Griffins" on Saturday and the "Colonels" on Sunday. How do you get that wrong twice?  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 23, 2014, 11:51:43 PM
Because I am scrambling to handle multiple items during the weekend and the text files we had for the Cabrini games were not updated accordingly (they were right on my computer at home, but apparently something went wonky on the transfers). In my haste to fix these problems with a graphic guy who was somewhat brand new to the job for basketball... I didn't catch my mistake in changing the mascot names. I apologize.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 27, 2014, 09:00:06 PM
Congrats to Cabrini's Aaron Walton Moss for being selected as a member of the team of the week!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: heatlee on December 07, 2014, 12:55:38 PM
Saw the Cavs play the Cyclones, and Cabrini will be much better by the end of season. The Cavs just need to rebound better and finish around the basket.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 25, 2014, 09:35:05 AM
Merry Christmas posters!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2015, 10:59:14 PM

Walton-Moss not in the boxscore tonight.  Injury or just time off against a weak opponent?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 07, 2015, 09:48:34 PM
Another deflating loss at the Dixon Center tonight. IU takes down the Cavs with a 3 ptr with 4.9 secs left. Had a chance at the end but a layup fell short. There seems to be a real problem with this team. The injuries are killing this team. 3 guards out(a 3pt shooter before season, starting point guard out at Hoopsville Classic and the back point guard out before Macon game). It's a young team, yes, but too many mental errors by upperclassmen at the end of the game. Two TO's in last minute to let IU back in the game; 17-30 from FT line. No leadership. Lotta stuff with this team that has to be fixed or they will not repeat, much less do anything in playoffs. Upperclassmen need to get it together. Just my viewpoint. Very frustrating after so many good years.  :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2015, 09:47:01 AM

Not to be a jerk about this, but asking honestly, Mailsy.  From what I saw last year, it appeared the addition of Vinnie Walls killed their chemistry and changed the offense quite a bit.  At least that's what I attributed the poor showing in the tournament to.  This year, they played one game at the Hoopsville Classic without him and one with - the game he sat they certainly played better.

I don't see them enough to really analyze how he changes the game or pinpoint what's specifically different, but do you think it's a coaching staff failing to properly integrate Walls into the team that's causing some trouble?  Maybe his game just isn't the right fit with the rest of the squad?  He's clearly a talented player, but that doesn't always make the difference.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 09, 2015, 10:10:29 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 08, 2015, 09:47:01 AM

Not to be a jerk about this, but asking honestly, Mailsy.  From what I saw last year, it appeared the addition of Vinnie Walls killed their chemistry and changed the offense quite a bit.  At least that's what I attributed the poor showing in the tournament to.  This year, they played one game at the Hoopsville Classic without him and one with - the game he sat they certainly played better.

I don't see them enough to really analyze how he changes the game or pinpoint what's specifically different, but do you think it's a coaching staff failing to properly integrate Walls into the team that's causing some trouble?  Maybe his game just isn't the right fit with the rest of the squad?  He's clearly a talented player, but that doesn't always make the difference.

No worries Hoops Fan. I agree you with in some ways with that. He definitely changed the chemistry of the team last year. I guess that happens when you need an additional player when your starting point guard goes down(seems like a trend). Last year there were other leaders on this team to handle the situations that came up. Unfortunately it really showed up in the tourney. But this year there isn't that quality of leadership to get them thru it. That is why it is still so frustrating watching what's going on. That's why it's going to be a long year in more ways then one.  :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 15, 2015, 12:22:30 AM
An interesting night in the CSAC  tonight. Cairn picks up its first win with an upset of Immaculata 57-54.  :o Cabrini dresses 7 players today; ??? has a 20 point lead at the half; has Marywood go on a 30-6 run against them in the second half, then gives up the lead to Marywood, but they ended up winning by 4. Finally Keystone picks up another win, that's 3 of their last 4, over BBC, who still remains winless. What a night!

Current CSAC Standings:
IU                5-2
Rosemont   5-2
Cabrini        5-2
Centenary   4-2
Neumann    4-2
GMU           4-3
Marywood   3-4
Keystone    3-4
Cairn          1-6
BBC            0-7
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on January 15, 2015, 12:49:42 AM
 Triple-double for Walton-Moss vs 31 from Shane Kellaher whom I met @ pickup ball over the holiday break 2 weeks ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 17, 2015, 09:38:16 PM
Very good team effort by the Cavaliers. It's probably the best game I've think they played since the WPI game back at the Hoopsville Tourney. Walton-Moss had his fourth triple double of the season (10pts 10rebs 13assts), Tyheim Monroe ended with a double double(19pts and 21 rebs) and all ten players who dressed scored. The Cavs looked like a different team from the last few games.  :)

In other CSAC action the home squads had challenges against conference opponents. Neumann knocked off GMU 72-71 at the Griffin center, Marywood got past Centenary 68-63 on the Cyclones home court. Keystone fell to Brooklyn 82-78
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 16, 2015, 11:09:11 PM
Down to one game each for the teams. Neumann knocks off Gwynedd for the second time this season tonight. With the loss Gwynedd is now 11-6 and Neumann is 12-5. Neumann now stands in 2nd behind Cabrini. Rosemont is tied for 3rd with Gwynedd. Centenary is 5th at 10-7 and Immaculata and Keystone are tied for 6th at 9-8. Marywood is in 7th at 8-9. They need to beat Keystone on Wednesday to have a chance for the playoffs. So 4 of the 5 games on Wednesday have consequences. If Cabrini beats Gwynedd, they are the 1 seed and maybe 3rd if they lose. Gwynedd with the win gets 2nd behind Neumann unless Neumann loses to Immaculata,  Then Cabrini, Gwynedd and Neumann are tied at the top at 12-6 then who knows who gets the one seed. Neumann beat Gwynedd 2x and lossed to Cabrini 2x. Gwynedd has the head to head against Cabrini right now and with a win its gonna be crazy.  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 24, 2015, 10:41:31 AM
Down to the final four teams. All top seeds are playing. #4 Gwynedd at #1 Cabrini. #3 Centenary at #2 Neumann. Both games are going to be tough games. Each team has split the head to head. Though Neumann and Centenary beat the other on the road. Should be a fun night in the CSAC
:)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2015, 10:47:10 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 24, 2015, 10:41:31 AM
Down to the final four teams. All top seeds are playing. #4 Gwynedd at #1 Cabrini. #3 Centenary at #2 Neumann. Both games are going to be tough games. Each team has split the head to head. Though Neumann and Centenary beat the other on the road. Should be a fun night in the CSAC
:)

I note Arron Goodman(G-M) hasn't played in a few weeks-what's up?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 24, 2015, 10:38:12 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 24, 2015, 10:47:10 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 24, 2015, 10:41:31 AM
Down to the final four teams. All top seeds are playing. #4 Gwynedd at #1 Cabrini. #3 Centenary at #2 Neumann. Both games are going to be tough games. Each team has split the head to head. Though Neumann and Centenary beat the other on the road. Should be a fun night in the CSAC
:)

I note Arron Goodman(G-M) hasn't played in a few weeks-what's up?

He broke a bone in his foot.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 24, 2015, 10:48:45 PM
Congratulations to Cabrini's Aaron Walton Moss and the Cavaliers tonight's as they beat Gwynedd Mercy 109-101. Aaron also broke Billy Carr's men's all time scoring record. The Cavs will take on Neumann winners over Centenary 57-52 Friday night at Cabrini.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2015, 11:01:59 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 24, 2015, 10:38:12 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 24, 2015, 10:47:10 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 24, 2015, 10:41:31 AM
Down to the final four teams. All top seeds are playing. #4 Gwynedd at #1 Cabrini. #3 Centenary at #2 Neumann. Both games are going to be tough games. Each team has split the head to head. Though Neumann and Centenary beat the other on the road. Should be a fun night in the CSAC
:)

I note Arron Goodman(G-M) hasn't played in a few weeks-what's up?



He broke a bone in his foot.

  thanks - and another triple-double for AWM - becoming commonplace for him.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 24, 2015, 11:05:49 PM
Yeah. That's 9 this year.  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 28, 2015, 08:49:24 PM
Congratulations to Neumann on winning their first conference championship. Another tough loss at home for the Cavs. Disappointing end to the season. Congrats on a fine year for the Cavs. They went through a lot of adversity this year. Congratulations on fantastic career by Aaron Walton Moss
First in career points and rebounds and third in assists.

Btw overheard by Neumann.

We don't often win championships, but when we do our fans, players and coaching staff cause enough problems to bring in a small army of the local police, our players act as thugs and our coaching staff act like immature arses. Stay classy my friends. Stay classy.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 16, 2015, 12:38:49 PM
Congratulations to Cabrini's Aaron Walton Moss for earning Atlantic Region player of the year and to his cousin Vinnie Walls for earning third team all region.
So Aaron has now won player of the year in two different regions.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 31, 2015, 04:40:20 PM
He also won the NABC Player of the Year award this season.

http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2014-15/contrib/20150331e8b1o4
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on May 26, 2015, 11:19:39 PM
Just noticed that Baptist Bible College has changed their name to Summit University of Pennsylvania.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on May 26, 2015, 11:39:02 PM
Quote from: mailsy on May 26, 2015, 11:19:39 PM
Just noticed that Baptist Bible College has changed their name to Summit University of Pennsylvania.

Because it's next to Clark's Summit, PA?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on May 29, 2015, 10:29:47 AM
That's what I was thinking as well.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 16, 2015, 03:41:16 PM
Probably at least in part to accomodate the University status, though I guess they could've just been Baptist Bible University.

There are other schools with the same name, so maybe this was a way of differentiating themselves.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 04, 2015, 02:48:33 PM
Happy Independence Day to everyone!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on August 25, 2015, 11:08:48 PM
Cabrini has released its 2015-16 schedule. They're non conference schedule looks challenging. At Dickinson, at Eastern, vs Greensboro, at Guilford (tourney weekend) Home against Wooster and Home vs Stevenson (Coaches vs Cancer). They are also welcoming back former Cavs coach, Marcus Kahn, whose Mary Washington team will take on Bryn Athyn in the C vs C tourney and later in January hosting Scranton.
http://www.cabriniathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on August 31, 2015, 10:45:23 PM
Former Cabrini player Aaron Walton-Moss signs a professional contract to play basketball in Argentina. Congratulations Aaron! http://www.cabriniathletics.com/news/2015/8/14/MBB_0814150510.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on September 01, 2015, 11:16:13 AM
Any update on who Marywood is going to hire? From a post on www.hoopdirt.com it looks like there are two remaining candidates and one will be chosen/announced shortly. See here: http://hoopdirt.com/diii-dirt-marywood-university-finalists/

Can Dave or Pat shed any light on anything about these two?

This seems to be an important hire for Marywood. They return all but one guy I believe and really could make some noise and get in to that top 4,5,6 in the CSAC playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on September 01, 2015, 02:08:03 PM
This is really interesting. What is Marywood doing....? There are 45 days until the start of the season. By the time they get a coach on campus and through HR it will most likely be this time next week. Leaving roughly 5 weeks for the coach to hire a staff, build relationships with the players and work through the transition of moving (with a family) before the season starts. I think Marywood could make noise with the roster they return. Thought there would be something by lunch if the Hoop Dirt article was accurate.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 01, 2015, 02:09:40 PM
(Accidentally wrote this on the women's board an hour or more ago... sorry.)

I can tell you that what Hoop Dirt has is true... and that the third person who removed themselves was Pitt Bradford's Britt Moore. I have been told the offer will come any day to one of those gentlemen.

I don't know Enrico at all... but Mark is a good guy who has done some good things at Messiah - which is clearly a top-notch program. I think Mark would be a good fit and would do well. However, I am pretty sure he and Enrico are ones that will put in their time, help turn the program in the right direction, but will then be up for other jobs - just my educated feeling on that... probably to no one's surprise.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on September 01, 2015, 09:43:11 PM
Enrico coached at Centenary a few years back.
He coached from 08-12. Had the most victories for them at the time and got them in the CSAC playoffs once.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on September 02, 2015, 08:47:56 AM
Any idea why he left for a start up D2 job? He was let go from Georgian Court in May..... It does not bode well for coaches who leave D3 jobs for scholarship level jobs, get let go and then try and crawl back to D3. Many D3 administrators desire coaches who truly believe and buy in to to the  D3 model. Committees and administrators tend to shy away from guys looking to get back on their feet after leaving D3. I am sure these thoughts are general knowledge. I have been on search committees as a Faculty Athletic Representative at two D3 schools and know these were the feelings shared by both institutions.

Here is Marywoods decisions-

Head Coaching Experience (Enrico) a record of 52-102

No Head Coaching Experience (Mark Seidenburg- Messiah Ast) a record of 0-0

LOL Have a great day all! 30 more days unitl start of the season
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on September 02, 2015, 10:57:53 AM
I might be wrong CChoopster; but doesn't official practice start 10-15-2015? ???
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on September 02, 2015, 11:29:37 AM
Quote from: mailsy on September 02, 2015, 10:57:53 AM
I might be wrong CChoopster; but doesn't official practice start 10-15-2015? ???

You are correct, sir! I had my NCAA DI hat on :)

10/15 as usual, unless you're the Centennial, correct?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 02, 2015, 12:41:37 PM
Centennial starts after all schools are finished their mid-terms/mid-semester breaks.

NESCAC doesn't begin until exactly two weeks before the start of the season.

To be honest, I would be a fan of shortening the pre-season. Basketball (and hockey?) have more practice allotments than any other sport including football. One idea I was floating around with a coach was allow a 10 day period before Sept. 30 with five practice dates (once you have your first practice/meeting... the ten day clock begins to get the five dates in) for the team to get together, get to know one another, allow the coaching staff to put in some basic stuff and give them information to work on (drills, running, etc.). THEN start preseason two to two-and-a-half weeks prior to the start date and go from there.

If you think about it, basketball student-athletes are required to go from October 15 (for most) until March 22ish for those in Salem (women title teams longer this year). That is a LOT of time. That is longer than the two football teams that meet in the Stagg Bowl! This idea would allow coaches the ability to meet with the team and not start cold on October 15 while not requiring students more time away from studies... while also cutting down on the amount of practice before the regular season - a month has gotten a bit ridiculous. I actually remember when October 15 was the first day they could touch the basketball balls after a week of cardio - at least we cut the cardio out! LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on September 03, 2015, 03:17:50 PM
Dave- How abnormal is it for a search committee/administration to possibly have no coach for their men's basketball program in the second week of September? After having a week with two finalist named. That looks like what is going to be happening at Marywood. I know this is not a "big" job like Scranton's women's job but the student athletes and alumni certainly deserve better. I would imagine this would be cause for concern for the team and the two final candidates.

Can you weigh on how this affects the team? This is a team, I believe, could have made the playoffs this year (still can).
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 03, 2015, 03:35:17 PM
We may not have the name, but that doesn't mean they don't have the person lined up. I have learned quite a bit just this year alone that it can take upwards of a week to ten days for all the Is to be dotted, Ts to be crossed, and for background checks to be complete. Sometimes athletic departments are held slave to HR departments who have do all of that work first before an announcement can be made. You certainly don't want to have someone announced and then something goes wrong with HR and you have to reverse course.

I have a contact close to the job search... I have been trying to keep from bugging them... but I will see if anything new has happened.

As for how it affects a team... that depends on the team, the department, the school, etc. I will admit it has been a long search, but that can have a lot of factors in place as we have seen at Scranton who technically went a year between official hires. I suspect Marywood will announce at any point depending. But that length can be tough to overcome. If the department is picking up the slack and keeping the team headed in the right direction and informed, it might be okay.

I will say I don't see as much drop off with teams who return a lot as long as the new coach is overhauling the system. If Marywood has the talent to get to the playoffs, they probably still would. Usually you see a drop off in recruiting because either a) you couldn't secure the incoming class during the hiring process or b) the new coach is now behind on the current (next incoming) class and is making up for that missing time. That can also hurt reputations which means the coach has to work even harder to break those things.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on September 08, 2015, 03:09:52 PM
So two of the three finalist have pulled their name out of contention at Marywood. Also last years assistant has moved on too(per Dave's twitter account). Are there things at Marywood going on that makes that an unstable job? For Simmons to leave after bringing in young talent and getting things going really well and for two finalists to withdraw their names, I say, "Where there is smoke, there is fire." This is interesting. Why would an assistant trying to get a D3 head job pull his name out? I am sure there are personal reasons that can make the case valid but these jobs are hard to come by.

Dave any insight?

Also for Dave- I love how you have the head coaches on Hoopesville. You should consider doing some type of blog or interview series with some assistant coaches. It could help to promote them and also with so many becoming head coaches, I would be interested as to their perspectives. What is the life of a d3 assistant like.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 09, 2015, 11:41:44 AM
There really isn't much I can say due to the fact much of what I have heard recently is based on information my sources have requested I keep to myself... but I would agree that where there is smoke there is fire.

As for why an assistant turned down a chance at being a head coach... he isn't the first. I have heard of that happening in other situations because there really are many things at play. I also believe the decision will work out for him in the long run.

As for the other interview series... I will certainly take it into consideration... though, adding more work to my plate especially the kind that doesn't necessarily bring in money :) ... is tough right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 10, 2015, 11:21:15 AM
I've been told that Enrico has taken the job at Marywood... but there is no announcement and I don't have anyone close to the situation who can confirm. Of course, it would make sense considering the other two finalists pulled out.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 10, 2015, 11:29:06 AM
While HoopDirt is making it sound like they have learned the juicy details, at least one source has a story: http://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/show/552210?referrer_id=1566508 (http://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/show/552210?referrer_id=1566508).
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on September 11, 2015, 04:18:26 PM
I wish somebody would hire somebody just to get Trevor Woodruff's picture off the front page.  That has to be driving away traffic to the site.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on September 12, 2015, 05:22:07 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on September 11, 2015, 04:18:26 PM
I wish somebody would hire somebody just to get Trevor Woodruff's picture off the front page.  That has to be driving away traffic to the site.

Just to be clear, I like Trevor.  He's just funny looking.

But, I'm sure he'll look sweet in purple.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 12, 2015, 04:02:57 PM
Three days until practice for the 2015-16 Basketball season begins.

Just a reminder.

Marywood has a new coach Enrico Mastroianni(a familiar face to CSAC fans). He replaces Bob Simmons,

http://marywoodpacers.com/news/2015/9/10/MBB_0910155738.aspx

and some of the changes for this year in the rules:

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/men-s-basketball-rules-committee-recommends-package-proposals-improve-game

Will Neumann be able the hold the crown this year? Will the Cavs take it back? Will a previous conference holder take the ring(Gwynedd, IU)?  or will it be somebody new? In the next five months we will find out!

Let the season begin:  :)

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 15, 2015, 10:47:51 AM
Today it all begins. Cavs are returning 11 players this year, but they are young. So it should be another entertaining year!!!  :)

Best of luck and good health!!!

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 13, 2015, 09:46:39 AM
Season starts tomorrow. The Cavs were picked to finish 3rd, behind Neumann and Gwynedd. Cavs travel to Dickinson for a 7:00 tip off. I think it's a tough game to start for the Cavs. But we will see.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 14, 2015, 09:21:14 PM
Good win for the Cavaliers tonight. Beat the #21 team in the nation on the road. Cabrini had a 19 point lead at one point but Dickinson rallied back to tie it at 78. After exchanging baskets Cabrini made their next shot and Dickinson missed. Then it was free throws for the rest of the night. Ivan Rodriguez led Cabrini with 25. It was a nice way to comeback after being hurt and out for the season after 3 games last year. Tyheim Monroe led with 10 boards. Could this win garner some votes for the top 25?  ;) We'll see. Next up the Battle of Eagle Road at Eastern.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 14, 2015, 09:24:30 PM
Considering there is another week before the first poll comes out... one game won't be the deciding factor. Not to be harsh, but I read into this result more on Dickinson's side than Cabrini's... but, again I have an additional week of games before I have to worry about it. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 24, 2015, 11:31:56 PM
Merry Christmas  everyone!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on December 25, 2015, 08:17:31 PM
Thank you Mailsy and I sure hope that yours was great, too.  Happy 2016 with lots of Cabrini wins!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 26, 2015, 09:08:57 PM
Thank you Kate and Happy and healthy 2016 to you!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 05, 2016, 11:54:42 PM
After 1 month of being off Cavs played at Cairn and won 95-83. Now 4-5 and 2-1 in conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 31, 2016, 12:38:03 PM
It was a fun day at Cabrini for alumni day. Men's and women's teams won. In the men's alumni game the team with mostly 80's and 90's alums beat the team with all 2010's grads. It was a back and forth game until the end.
The after party was a blast. It's amazing what you learn.  ;D :o
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 03, 2016, 10:22:16 AM
Big games tonight at the Dixon Center. In the women's game the top team in the CSAC travels down the PA turnpike to take on the Lady Cavs. At Marywood the Lady Cavs lost in a close contest in the final minutes. The men take on Immaculata. In their other meeting at Immaculata Cavs lost by 20. Cavs are coming off their make up with Summit winning by 27. Mighty Macs coming off a 2 point lost at home to Gwynedd in a game they should have won. Both Cavs teams need victories tonight. Men always have a tough time with the Macs.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 03, 2016, 12:53:24 PM
Know that this event is going to happen this weekend its a fundraiser for Gwynedd Mercy head coach John Baron's children this weekend. I'll be making the trip out to one of the games this weekend to lend a little support for John and his family.

http://csacsports.com/news/2016/1/20/MBB_0120162302.aspx

Here's the article from City of Basketball Love's website:

http://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/show/604999?referrer_id=1566508

Certainly makes you understand what is important in life.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:34:47 PM
For the third consecutive year, Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air for 12 hours as the regular season enters the final four weeks. Dave McHugh will chat with coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and others involved in Division III basketball from around the country. Other guests will include those who have Division III roots or appreciate the division and the game along with the student-athletes who play the sport.

Hoopsville will air from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. (and maybe later) on Thursday, February 4 live from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can see what guests are scheduled, get more information, and watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb4

You can also read the press release about the show: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/hoopsville-marathon-2016

Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:


   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
TimeGuestSchool
10:15amConnie TilleySt. Norbert (WBB) - WBCA Center Court
10:40amJamie PurdyPeidmont (WBB)
11:00amKeri CarolloUW-Whitewater (WBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
11:20amBrent PollariSaint Mary's (Minn.) (WBB)
11:40amKent MadsenNo. 21 Wheaton (Ill.) (WBB)
12:00pmRussell LoydRose-Hulman (MBB)
12:20pmKevin BroderickNazareth (MBB)
12:40pmJustin ScottArcadia (MBB)
1:00pmSam HargravesNo. 12 Alma (MBB)
1:20pmLenny ReichMount Union (SID)
1:40pmMaureen WebsterClarkson (WBB)
2:00pmBetsy WitmanYork (Pa.) (WBB)
2:20pmSara LeeDenison (WBB)
2:40pmKlay KneuppelWisconsin Lutheran (MBB)
3:00pmBrian Van HaaftenBuena Vista (MBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
3:30pmSydney MossNo. 1 Thomas More (WBB)
3:45pmAaron RousellBucknell (WBB) - former Chicago coach
4:00pmTim ShanahanStaten Island (WBB)
4:20Pat CunninghamTrinity (Texas) (MBB) - NABC Coach's Corner
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Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 04, 2016, 02:53:56 PM
Good win for the Cavs last night. First win against the Mighty Macs in 2 years. Led wire to wire. Some concern at around the 12 minute mark when Cavs starting pg Ivan Rodriguez got tagged for his 4th foul. The backup has been out for 2 weeks with a concussion so sophomore Kane McGovern, who plays sparingly, did an outstanding job in filling in. Should be a great confidence booster as we get closer to the end if the season. 9-4 now in conf. Tied for 3rd with Rosemont a game behind Neumann and 3 behind Gwynedd. Cavs have 6 games remaining. 1 ooc with Scranton and 4 of their 5 conf games are against teams that are on the CSAC playoff hunt. They need to win these games if they want to get a bye. Gwynedd losing their first conference last night keeps them close. But I suspect they are going to maintain their lead and finish first.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 05, 2016, 08:11:18 PM
Several big games in conference play tomorrow. Cavs travel to Hackettstown, NJ to take on Centenary. Rosemont takes a short trip to Gwynedd and Immaculata takes a longer trip up to Marywood to solidify their place in the standings. Also Neumann travels to Summit and Cairn heads to Keystone. Good luck to all teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 06, 2016, 09:51:30 PM
Some separation today of the "playoff teams" from the "non playoff" teams. IU wins and is up 3 games for the last spot. Wins by Gwynedd, Neumann and Cabrini today, puts them 1 2 3 in the standings. Losses by Rosemont and Centenary leave them at 4 & 5.

I traveled up to Hackettstown today to see the Cavs beat Centenary. Tough game though. Another double double by Tyheim Monroe. 20 boards today and 11 were offensive. Some were huge off of missed FTs and missed 3 ptrs.

Hopefully there was a good amount of money raised today for John Baron's family.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 01:54:42 PM
Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 13, 2016, 11:37:13 PM
Down to the last week in the CSAC. Gwyned, Neumann, Cabrini, Rosemont, Centenary and Immaculata have made the playoffs. Gwynedd needs one more win or loss by Neumann to lock up homecourt throughout playoffs. Neumann can lock up second with a win hosting my Cavs Wednesday night. Cavs are guaranteed a home playoff game. With wins against Neumann and Gwynedd it may give them a bye. Rosemont can earn a home playoff game with a win at Immaculata or a win at home against Centenary on Saturday. Centenary could move up to 4th and earn a home playoff game with wins against  Keystone, who they host and at Rosemont. Immaculata needs to win out and have help to move up from sixth.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 17, 2016, 11:32:46 PM
Interesting night in the CSAC today. Cavs beat Neumann tonight by 21. After trailing 55-57 at the half they held the Knights to 28 pts and won 106-85. Part Cavs defense and part the Knights just disinterested once they got down by a few baskets. With a win Saturday over Gwynedd they can lock up the 2nd seed in the Conference tournament. They would have the tiebreaker over Neumann. Gwynedd locks up the #1 seed and will host the lowest seeded team remaining after the quarter finals on Wednesday Feb 24. The Griffins got the win tonight but they got taken to the end by Cairn. They won by 6 but the game was tied with less than 2 minutes remaining and they trailed at the half. Neumann needs a win and a loss by Cabrini on Saturday to get the bye. Rosemont lossed a chance to lock up the 4th seed with a last second loss to Immaculata. The Ravens led late up 13 with 3+ minutes to go and got outscored 16-2 to lose. Centenary lost at home to Keystone. So nothing is set yet. Saturday will finalize everything.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 23, 2016, 12:00:28 AM
Congrats to the CSAC conference awards winners. John Baron of Gwynedd for earning Coach of the year. Marcus Thomas of Rosemont for getting Player of the year. To Rookie of the Year Julian Callazo of Cairn.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 23, 2016, 12:12:55 AM
Congratulations to Cabrini's Tyheim Monroe 1st team all conference, Jair Green earning second team and Jimmy Doyle for earning the team's sportsmanship award.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 23, 2016, 12:33:36 AM
Playoffs started tonight. Rosemont ended up beating Centenary tonight 81-72. Cabrini won 90-70 and it wasn't even close. I'm glad the coach of Immaculata got his wish of playing the Cavs tonight. He sat his starters for Saturday's game and they didn't play much. It looked like they tanked that game thinking they had the best chance against the Cavs. I wonder how that worked out for them? Just saying. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 24, 2016, 10:44:13 AM
Semis are tonight Cavs travel to Neumann and tipoff at 7 pm. Gwynedd Mercy hosts Rosemont at 8 pm.

Gwynedd swept the series against Rosemont averaging 25 point victories. Massey gives GMU an 83% chance of winning.

Cabrini and Neumann split their series on each others home court. It will be tough for Cabrini to beat Neumann twice on their court. Massey gives Cabrini a 41% chance of victory.  "So what your saying is we have a chance."  ;D

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 02:17:48 PM
Final public regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/24/third-ncaa-regional-ranking/
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 24, 2016, 11:02:10 PM
What a night tonight in the CSAC on the men's side. Gwynedd knocked off Rosemont 92-84 and will host on Saturday.

I attended the Neumann Cabrini game tonight in Aston and saw the most GUTLESS REFERREE I've ever seen at a game...and that is being kind. They always say don't make the game close because the referees will find a way to screw you. Well they did tonight. The Cavs had their chances, I admit, and should never have been in the situation but still the end of the game the referee had no cajones in a hostile gym. Cabrini trailed at the half by 12 and at one point was down by as much as 18 with 14 minutes to go. They battled back and had a chance. It was 76-75 Neumann and with 7 seconds remaining Cabrini turned the ball over and the Neumann player dove on it and called a timeout in front of the Cabrini bench. The ref agreed and pointed to Neumann's bench. The only problem was that they had no T/O's remaining. That should have been assessed a technical and Cabrini should have been given the opportunity to shoot 2 FT and get the ball back. However, the referee was gutless and wouldn't make the call. They were conferring and the other 2 refs told this gutless worm that he had to make a call. He came up with some lame excuse that it was an inadvertent whistle and gave the ball back to Neumann.

The most gutless call by a referee in all my years of watching basketball. I'm sure Chris Webber would love to have this referee at his game.

You may not agree but the Neumann coaches agreed and apologized to the coaches afterward that the kid did call a T/O.

Here's something else the head of the referees in the region was at the game. I'm sure that "ref" we'll get an earful. I hope this gutless official never refs a Cabrini game again. Because he's on mine and everybody else's sh*t list.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 12:44:07 AM
For the record... it is a one-shot tech now.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 29, 2016, 12:48:01 PM
Gwynedd is traveling to Ohio to take on Marietta in the NCAA's.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 04, 2016, 10:59:40 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 29, 2016, 12:48:01 PM
Gwynedd is traveling to Ohio to take on Marietta in the NCAA's.

Congrats to the Griffins on their big win tonight. It will be an empty gym tomorrow night.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 14, 2016, 09:20:39 PM
D3Hoops just announced their All-Atlantic region team.

http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2015-16/atlantic-men

Congratulations to Gwynedd Mercy's John Baron for winning COY, First team Marcus Thomas from Rosemont, Second teamers Gwynedd's Julian Hyden and Cabrini's Tyheim Monroe and 3rd teamer Darnell Artis from GMU.

Tyheim was one of three underclassmen to earn honors in the region.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 01, 2016, 06:20:41 PM
Well it's official. Cabrini is now a university.  Cabrini U? That's going to take a little getting used to.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on July 04, 2016, 12:48:02 PM
Congratulations to the new University and to you Mailsy!  Happy Fourth!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 04, 2016, 08:48:52 PM
Thanks Kate and Happy 4th to you as well.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on July 10, 2016, 10:52:09 AM
Rumors at Del Val U hav Centennary HC Tim Fusina and ROSEMONT HC Bob Hughes as finalist for the MBB HC position.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 13, 2016, 06:06:44 PM
Quote from: CCHoopster on July 10, 2016, 10:52:09 AM
Rumors at Del Val U hav Centennary HC Tim Fusina and ROSEMONT HC Bob Hughes as finalist for the MBB HC position.

That's interesting. I'm sure Fusina would love to get out of Centenary to a more focused program.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 18, 2016, 05:09:24 PM
For the record, Messiah's assistant coach was chosen.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on August 14, 2016, 07:55:00 AM
Cabrini's schedule is up. A couple of interesting OOC games this year. They play a D1 school this year (Lehigh University) and in two different tournaments. They start the season with "The Battle for Eagle Road" when they host Eastern.

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 14, 2016, 02:05:29 PM
Quote from: mailsy on August 14, 2016, 07:55:00 AM
Cabrini's schedule is up. A couple of interesting OOC games this year. They play a D1 school this year (Lehigh University) and in two different tournaments. They start the season with "The Battle for Eagle Road" when they host Eastern.

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball

Well, if they win, that's certainly as good an OOC schedule as they could probably manage.  If they win.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on August 19, 2016, 10:34:57 AM
Immaculata has a new men's coach. Former player and alum Jason Hyman. He helped the Mighty Macs win their first and only conference championship back in 2008.

http://csacsports.com/news/2016/8/18/MBB_0818162034.aspx?path=
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on August 19, 2016, 09:31:03 PM
Congrats to coach.

No disrespect intended at all, just a thought: kind of interesting coaching experience with limited collegiate experience and only one season on the men's side. Could be from a limited candidate pool and very late timing. Just interesting. Best of luck to coach!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on August 20, 2016, 10:28:52 AM
Quote from: CCHoopster on August 19, 2016, 09:31:03 PM
Congrats to coach.

No disrespect intended at all, just a thought: kind of interesting coaching experience with limited collegiate experience and only one season on the men's side. Could be from a limited candidate pool and very late timing. Just interesting. Best of luck to coach!

Maybe. But he is an alum and did play there. That could have had more impact on the decision. Yes and best of luck to him.....except when he takes on the Cavs ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on August 29, 2016, 09:38:37 PM
Was up at Cabrini U. today for the ribbon cutting ceremony for the new pavilion. Have to say it is really nice. Good recruiting tool.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on September 02, 2016, 01:13:13 PM
A little FYI. Former Cabrini Cavalier, Aaron Walton-Moss is heading to Iceland to continue his pro career. Good luck to him!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 02, 2016, 01:24:55 PM
Quote from: mailsy on September 02, 2016, 01:13:13 PM
A little FYI. Former Cabrini Cavalier, Aaron Walton-Moss is heading to Iceland to continue his pro career. Good luck to him!  :)

Gorgeous women who will need some warmth during the long Icelandic winter. Not bad Aaron!! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 29, 2016, 01:00:17 AM
We have all the CSAC men's basketball schedules posted. For a couple more days, the team pages will default to 2015-16. But if anyone wants to see next season's schedules, you can change the dates in the URL like so:

http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Cabrini/Men/2016-17/index
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Cabrin/Women/2016-17/index

We also have all the CSAC women's schedules except Notre Dame (Md.) and Cedar Crest.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 26, 2016, 02:31:54 PM
Congrats to former Cavalier Aaron Walton-Moss as he was named Iceland's Player of the week.

http://www.eurobasket.com/Iceland/news/467008/Aaron-Moss'-triple-double-lands-him-D1-Player-of-the-Week-award
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 26, 2016, 02:38:11 PM
The local blog City of Basketball Love put out its preseason poll for the area. 3 CSAC teams are in the top 10.

http://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/show/710066?referrer_id=
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 26, 2016, 03:25:14 PM
Quote from: mailsy on October 26, 2016, 02:38:11 PM
The local blog City of Basketball Love put out its preseason poll for the area. 3 CSAC teams are in the top 10.

http://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/show/710066?referrer_id=


Neumann?  Really?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 26, 2016, 04:02:39 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 26, 2016, 03:25:14 PM
Quote from: mailsy on October 26, 2016, 02:38:11 PM
The local blog City of Basketball Love put out its preseason poll for the area. 3 CSAC teams are in the top 10.

http://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/show/710066?referrer_id=


Neumann?  Really?

Hey, sorry... not buying that.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 31, 2016, 09:15:06 AM
I see that Neumann got some love in the preseason poll.

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2016-17/preseason

Somebody thinks they're the top 25th team in the country.

So I guess the CSAC preseason poll will have them #1? We'll see in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2016, 01:03:12 PM
Quote from: mailsy on October 31, 2016, 09:15:06 AM
I see that Neumann got some love in the preseason poll.

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2016-17/preseason

Somebody thinks they're the top 25th team in the country.

So I guess the CSAC preseason poll will have them #1? We'll see in a couple of weeks.

I wouldn't say Neumann got some love... they got one of 25 voters to slot them in 25. That's simply noticing they are there. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 31, 2016, 07:49:43 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2016, 01:03:12 PM
Quote from: mailsy on October 31, 2016, 09:15:06 AM
I see that Neumann got some love in the preseason poll.

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2016-17/preseason

Somebody thinks they're the top 25th team in the country.

So I guess the CSAC preseason poll will have them #1? We'll see in a couple of weeks.

I wouldn't say Neumann got some love... they got one of 25 voters to slot them in 25. That's simply noticing they are there. LOL
I guess it was more of a glancing leer then actual love.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 04, 2016, 08:40:10 AM
Cabrini's Tyheim Monroe was named a fourth team preseason All-American selection.

http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-americans/men/preseason-2017
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 09, 2016, 11:40:57 AM
CSAC poll is out. Coaches have tabbed Neumann to win the conference. It was close. Cavs and GMU were tied for second.

http://csacsports.com/news/2016/11/8/MBB_1108165230.aspx?path=
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 10, 2016, 07:08:31 PM
Cavs roster is up.

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 15, 2016, 09:20:19 AM
Opening day is finally here for the new season. The Battle for Eagle Road starts us off. Looking forward to an interesting night at the Dixon Center!!

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 15, 2016, 01:59:01 PM
There are six games being played in the CSAC tonight.

Eastern @ CABRINI
Rowan @ NEUMANN
CLARKS SUMMIT @ Messiah
Delaware Valley @ IMMACULATA
ROSEMONT @ Desales
GWYNEDD MERCY @ Arcadia

A lot of CSAC vs MAC tonight!
Go CSAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 16, 2016, 11:34:19 AM
It was a fun last night as the Battle for Eagle road goes back to the Cavs.

The place was packed and loud. A lot of students from both schools were in attendance. 

Interesting side note. We also had the referee from last years semifinal game against Neumann. You gotta love the scheduler. Had some  brass ones to assign him to the game. I'm sure the ref heard us. 😀

We also had a little gathering with some of the 80's alums and John Dzik. Quite a night. Thanks Voz for getting that together. ☺
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 16, 2016, 11:38:46 AM
The CSAC went 4-3 last night. Cabrini, Centenary, Gwynedd and Neumann all won. ☺Rosemont, Immaculata, and Clarks Summit all got blown out.😕
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 19, 2016, 01:48:43 PM
Quote from: mailsy on November 16, 2016, 11:38:46 AM
The CSAC went 4-3 last night. Cabrini, Centenary, Gwynedd and Neumann all won. ☺Rosemont, Immaculata, and Clarks Summit all got blown out.😕

After seeing that Immaculata performance against a below average DelVal team (picked 6th out of 8 in the MAC)...............I wouldn't be surprised if they went winless in the conference. They are just bad!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 19, 2016, 08:23:28 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 19, 2016, 01:48:43 PM
Quote from: mailsy on November 16, 2016, 11:38:46 AM
The CSAC went 4-3 last night. Cabrini, Centenary, Gwynedd and Neumann all won. ☺Rosemont, Immaculata, and Clarks Summit all got blown out.😕

After seeing that Immaculata performance against a below average DelVal team (picked 6th out of 8 in the MAC)...............I wouldn't be surprised if they went winless in the conference. They are just bad!!

I don't see that happening with some of the teams that are in this conference. ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 08, 2016, 04:46:58 PM
A victory for the Cavs last night. Came out kind of flat. Not sure if that had anything to do with the Immaculata upperclassmen not playing in the game or not. The Macs played all Freshmen and sophomores last night. Cabrini came out of the break with a 17-1 run to put the game out of reach. Game high scoring in the game went to Mighty Mac freshman Jordan Ambrose.  He put up a career high 31 points. Cavs now 3-0 in conference play and take the next two weeks for exams and a break before they travel to D1 Lehigh for a "way out" of conference game.

In other CSAC action Rosemont and Centenary went to overtime with the Cyclones coming up with a 2 point victory.  Neumann beat up Del Val. It was a 7 point halftime lead for the Knights. They turned it into a 28 point shellacking 105-77. Neumann is good. Cavs face them after the new year. Neumann has Catholic and Scranton to finish the year
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 10, 2016, 07:02:55 PM
Catholic was winning most of the game vs Neumann. It was 51-50 with 11 minutes to go in the game when I stopped looking at the score to get back in my car. I get home and look at the score on the desktop and it ends 83-63. Wow!  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 22, 2016, 03:49:09 PM
Cavaliers travel up the NE extension of the PA tpk to take on Div 1 Lehigh University. It's the first time in 23 years Cabrini takes on a D1 team. The goal was to head up, but I'm sick and have to get some rest to make it thru the next 2 days. People buy a heck of a lot of liquor this time of year and I need to be on "my game"
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 23, 2016, 10:02:55 PM
A loss to Lehigh last night. No surprise. Hey at least they won the second half.  ;D

Next week back to Bethlehem to play Montclair State and Moravian.

Merry Christmas! and Happy Hanukkah! to all my D3 friends.

Peace to all.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 30, 2016, 10:46:08 PM
A nice win tonight for the Cavs. Very physical. Last 5 minutes of the game were ugly for the Cavs.

Congrats to Cabrini's Tyheim Monroe who tallied his 1000 point tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 04, 2017, 09:42:33 AM
CSAC back in conference play. Rosemont beats IU in a close game. Keystone by 19 over Clark Summit. Centenary wins at home over Cairn and Neumann has a big second half in rolling Marywood. Keystone remains undefeated. Marywood stays winless. Marywood had a halftime lead. They frustrated the Knights early. Seems teams hang in early with Neumann.  The Knights then seem to figure it out and start rolling on teams in the second half.

Neumann's next game is against my Cavs. Cabrini needs a full game to prevent Neumann from "figuring" it out.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 16, 2017, 08:04:50 PM
Immaculata University is lowering their tuition.


http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/campus_inq/Immaculata-will-cut-tuition-sticker-price-by-25-percent.html?mobi=true
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 18, 2017, 12:28:37 PM
Cabrini's Tyheim Monroe named to Bevo Award Watch list.

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/news/2017/1/18/basketball-men-monroe-named-to-bevo-award-watch-list.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 20, 2017, 09:36:09 AM
Thanks Ryan on the article on going pro. It's nice to see that Cabrini's AWM gets a little mention.

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2016-17/going-pro-from-division-3

Btw. Before Cabrini transitioned to D3 Cavs had Allen Jones who played for the Generals and the Globetrotters after he graduated.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 23, 2017, 09:18:56 PM
Why was Cabrini's game postponed tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 23, 2017, 10:33:15 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 23, 2017, 09:18:56 PM
Why was Cabrini's game postponed tonight?

I suspect most of the east coast postponements are due to the crazy nor'easter that's come up the coast today.  We had wind so bad it blew an outdoor extension cord I have right out of the socket.  Haven't seen that before.  Anyway, lots of flooding and travel advisories in NJ and NY.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 23, 2017, 10:56:00 PM
Cabrini game was not postponed. This game was the makeup from January 7. Cabrini beat Centenary 83-66.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 24, 2017, 08:45:02 AM
Quote from: mailsy on January 23, 2017, 10:56:00 PM
Cabrini game was not postponed. This game was the makeup from January 7. Cabrini beat Centenary 83-66.

Sometimes the system keeps the "postponed" in once the game gets rescheduled.  I fixed it on the scoreboard.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 24, 2017, 01:30:51 PM
Thanks. I thought it was a makeup game and wondered why it got postponed again!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2017, 11:28:02 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 24, 2017, 01:30:51 PM
Thanks. I thought it was a makeup game and wondered why it got postponed again!

I bet when the game was moved, the "postponed" check mark was not removed.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 06, 2017, 09:49:35 PM
With 12 days left in the regular season and 4 games left for each team, 4 teams have clinched a spot in the CSAC playoffs. 2 spots remain. 1 team, Clarks Summit has been eliminated.
Neumann leads at 12-0, Cabrini is 2nd at 12-2, Gwynedd is 3rd at 11-3, Rosemont is next at 9-5. These 4 have clinched.
Still in the running for the 2 remaining spots;
Immaculata 8-6.
Centenary 6-8
Marywood 4-10
Keystone 3-11
Cairn 3-11.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 08, 2017, 11:30:26 PM
10 Days left and 3 games to go for each team.

What a crazy night in the CSAC tonight. Rosemont upends #15 Neumann in OT 97-96. The Ravens have now beaten the #2 and #1 teams in the conference the last  2 Wednesday nights at home. Gwynedd amazingly loses to Immaculata 66-60.
All other teams who were expected to win, won.

Immaculata clinches a playoff spot with the win.

Cairn eliminated with the loss at Cabrini.


Standings
*Neumann           14-1
*Cabrini               13-2
*Gwynedd           11-4
*Rosemont          10-5
*Immaculata         9-6
Centenary            7-8
Marywood           4-11
Keystone             4-11
eCairn                   3-12
eClarks Summit     0-15
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 11, 2017, 10:31:14 AM
There is 1 game today to decide who earns the last CSAC spot:
Centenary at Rosenont.

With a win Centenary locks up the sixth spot. They can also back in with a loss and then a loas by Keystone to Gwynedd Mercy

Everybody else is playing for seeding. Don't see anything really changing today.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 11, 2017, 04:57:59 PM
The 6 CSAC teams are set. Positioning still to come.

Neumann     15-1. Have clinched a home game and a first round bye with todays outcome.
Cabrini         14-2. Have 2 games left with Neumann and Gwynedd. A win in either locks them into 2nd & a first round bye.
Gwynedd     12-4. Can clinch 2nd with two wins and two Cabrini losses. Face Cabrini last regular season game.
Rosemont    11-5. Can clinch 3rd with 2 wins and 2 losses by Gwynedd.
Immaculata  10-6. Could slip into 4th with wins against Rosemont and at Centenary
Centenary     7-9. Clinch playoff spot today by backing in. Lost to Rosemont but Keystone falls to Gwynedd 101-67. Locked in to 6th.
eKeystone      4-12.
eMarywood    4-12.
eCairn            3-13.
eClarks Summit   0-16.

Also Congratulations to Tyheim Monroe who picked up his 1000th career rebound in today's win at Clarks Summit!!! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 15, 2017, 11:00:52 AM
Two games left for everyone. All teams playing tonight as weather should not be a factor in any location tonight.

3 games have playoff implications.
Cabrini travels to Aston to take on the Knights of Neumann. A Neumann win and they lock up 1st. A Cabrini win and they get a bye with an outside chance to get #1 seed(highly unlikely).

Rosemont heads over to Immaculata. This game could determine who gets home court in the quarters.

Gwynedd hosts Clarks Summit. With a Griffin win they lock up 3rd with a chance to get a bye on Saturday with a win at Cabrini.

No playoff implications in the next 2 games.
Centenary at Cairn. The Cyclones are locked in at 6th.
Keystone at Marywood. Both teams fighting for positioning, 7th or 8th.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 15, 2017, 11:16:23 PM
Tough night for the Cavs at Neumann. Neumann pulls it out at the end.

Neumann, 15-2, locks up the #1 seed and will host Rosemont.
Cabrini with the lost falls to 14-3. They need to beat Gwynedd on Saturday, otherwise they will host the quarterfinal against Centenary, 7-10, defeated by Cairn (4-13) tonight.
Gwynedd , 13-4, routs Clarks Summit, 0-17, tonight. They travel to Cabrini Saturday with a chance for a bye, if they beat the Cavs.
Rosemont, 12-5, locks up the the 4th seed with an 89-88 OT victory at Immaculata 10-7. Macs are locked in at the 5 seed. Rosemont hosts the Mighty Macs on Monday in a quarterfinal match.
Finally Marywood(5-12) beats Keystone (4-11). Marywood is 7th.
Saturday's game between Cairn and Keystone will probably determine 8 and 9.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 16, 2017, 10:08:08 AM
Speaking of the Knights, they're the feature for this week's Around the Atlantic column.

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/atlantic/2016-17/neumann-shows-guts
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 18, 2017, 07:33:44 PM
Nice win for the Cavs this afternoon. Cabrini(15-3) took a 13-10 lead on Gwynedd Mercy with 15:30 on the clock and never trailed again on their way to a 100-83 victory. With the win the Cavaliers lock up the 2nd seed and will host the next highest remaining seed on Wednesday at the Dixon Center. Game time probably 7pm.

Neumann(17-1) easily handles Marywood(5-13). Marywood finishes in the 8th spot. Neumann the top seed will host the lowest remaining seed Wednesday.

Gwynedd(13-5) the #3 seed with the loss to Cabrini today hosts Centenary(8-10), the 6th seed, on Monday February 20, 2017. The Cyclones were winners today at home over Immaculata.

Rosemont(13-5) the #4 seed, were winners over Clarks Summit and will host Immaculata (10-8) the #5 seed, on Monday night.

In probably the most hard fought game in the conference Cairn(5-13) went to 4OTs to beat Keystone(4-14) 111-108. Honestly thought the game was going to a 5th OT. Both teams hit 3 pointers in the last seconds. The Giant hit a 3 with 10 seconds left after Cairn hit one with 19 seconds left. However, Cairn hits a 3 with 2 ticks left and Keystone couldn't get a shot off and Cairn wins. Cairn finishes 7th and Keystone 9th.

Clarks Summit finishes 10th (0-18). Not only winless in conference but also against D3 teams.

GO CAVS!!!

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2017, 08:24:13 PM
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Who is in and who is out? We will figure that out over the course of next week and on next week's Hoopsville Special. In the meantime on tonight's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh talks to a few teams who are looking to position themselves to be in the conversation. We also preview many of the conference races and look at who may already be in trouble when it comes to playing basketball in March.

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Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 20, 2017, 06:33:28 AM
CSAC playoffs start tonight.
Centenary #6 travels to Gwynedd, PA to take on Gwynedd Mercy #3. Game starts at 8 pm ish after the women's quarterfinal. If Gwynedd wins they take on Cabrini #2 Wednesday night. A Centenary win puts them in the semifinals at Neumann.

In the other CSAC quarterfinal Immaculata #5 heads to Rosemont to take on the Ravens #4 at 7pm. Winner takes on either Cabrini or Neumann depending on winner of other quarterfinal.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 20, 2017, 09:58:10 PM
Semifinals are set. Seeds go in order. Rosemont blasts Immaculata. The Macs scored the first 2 pts of the game and then never lead again. Rosemont led at the half by 24 and at one point had a 39 point lead in the second half. Final Rosemont 102-78.

Rosemont now will travel to Aston to take on the Knights of Neumann on Wednesday night.

Gwynedd trailed by as much as 14 points and overcame Centenary 81-77. They now head to Cabrini to take on the Cavaliers Wednesday night.

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 27, 2017, 08:05:31 PM
Congrats to the Cavaliers of Cabrini getting in to the NCAA tournament. I knew it was going to take a lot to get them in. I think the fact that there weren't a lot of upsets helped them out. Should be a good game against Lycoming. This is the sight of Cabrini's sweet 16 pod back in 2012 on their way to the national championship game. Could history repeat itself. We will see.  ;D

GO CAVS!!!

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2017, 08:46:54 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 27, 2017, 08:05:31 PM
Congrats to the Cavaliers of Cabrini getting in to the NCAA tournament. I knew it was going to take a lot to get them in. I think the fact that there weren't a lot of upsets helped them out. Should be a good game against Lycoming. This is the sight of Cabrini's sweet 16 pod back in 2012 on their way to the national championship game. Could history repeat itself. We will see.  ;D

GO CAVS!!!

But u won't have Scranton around to eliminate Middlebury this time. ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 27, 2017, 09:07:31 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 27, 2017, 08:46:54 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 27, 2017, 08:05:31 PM
Congrats to the Cavaliers of Cabrini getting in to the NCAA tournament. I knew it was going to take a lot to get them in. I think the fact that there weren't a lot of upsets helped them out. Should be a good game against Lycoming. This is the sight of Cabrini's sweet 16 pod back in 2012 on their way to the national championship game. Could history repeat itself. We will see.  ;D

GO CAVS!!!

But u won't have Scranton around to eliminate Middlebury this time. ::)

True.    :D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 01, 2017, 12:19:54 AM
Here is a comparison of Cabrini and their opponent Lycoming.

Cavaliers of Cabrini(CSAC At-Large) taking on Lycoming, (MAC Commonwealth Conference Champions) on Friday at 5:30 at Middlebury. No common opponents.

Lycoming:   23-4 (0-0 N)   Opponents:
81.9               pts/gm             71.9
46.1%              fg                   41.5%
35.8%              3fg                 33.4%
5.1                3fg/gm               5.4     
66.7%              FT                  69.2%
16.2              FT/gm               14.1
40.8          rebounds/gm        35.9
15.7            assists/gm            15.1
13.6               TO/gm              17.4
9.7               steals/gm             5.9
2.6                blocks/gm           3.9

Leading Scorers:   David Johnson 14.5   Chris Wallace 12.3
Leading Rebounders: Chris Wallace 6.9   Nyk King 5.7

Cabrini:       19-7 (2-1 N)    Opponents:
83.2               pts/gm            74.1
44.6%                 fg              42.1%
32.0%                 3fg             31.8%
6.9                    3fg/gm         6.5     
68.8%                  FT             63.9%
16.0                  FT/gm           12.1
41.8              rebounds/gm    41.6
14.0               assists/gm       12.5
12.7                  TO/gm         16.6
9.4                  steals/gm       6.5
4.4                   blocks/gm       3.2

Leading Scorers:   Tyheim Monroe 22.6 DeVhante Mosley 14.3
Leading Rebounders: Tyheim Monroe 16.2 Deryl Bagwell 7.7
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 03, 2017, 09:48:53 AM
Looking towards tonight's game. Should be a great game between Cavs and Lycoming. Hopefully it's a well officiated game  ;D and the players decide the game and outcome.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on May 30, 2017, 11:49:50 AM
I see Centenary is in need of a new head coach as Tim Fusina has moved "way" west to Cal Lutheran.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 06, 2017, 04:56:38 PM
The next wave of this is coming. Is it 2005-06-07 all over again?
http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2017/06/new-conference-shuffle-coming
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on June 06, 2017, 09:03:55 PM
 Is the Vatican trying to form a new conference and gain a foothold in D3? I don't see what's in it for Marywood except a lot of long road trips.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 06, 2017, 11:56:08 PM
I think a lot of conference building for people is what company you keep. Does Marywood feel it has more in common with the institutions in the new conference than it does with the schools in the CSAC it would be leaving behind? Probably.

There's a lot of "getting the old gang back together" in this move, except that Alvernia and Eastern are not coming back.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on June 07, 2017, 05:21:48 PM
All I can say is wow!  :o  So that means no automatic NCAA bids for 2 years?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on June 07, 2017, 06:56:40 PM
Quote from: mailsy on June 07, 2017, 05:21:48 PM
All I can say is wow!  :o  So that means no automatic NCAA bids for 2 years?

There should be at least 1 Pool B to compete for; Scranton did that for 2 years when the newly-formed Landmark was in the same situation. After the pool B, then you compete with the rest for pool C.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 08, 2017, 07:35:48 AM
Quote from: ronk on June 07, 2017, 06:56:40 PM
Quote from: mailsy on June 07, 2017, 05:21:48 PM
All I can say is wow!  :o  So that means no automatic NCAA bids for 2 years?

There should be at least 1 Pool B to compete for; Scranton did that for 2 years when the newly-formed Landmark was in the same situation. After the pool B, then you compete with the rest for pool C.

We were already on pace for a Pool B bid in 2018-2019, so that will be available - maybe a second, depending on what else happens between now and then.  Right now you need 9 teams for a Pool B bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on June 13, 2017, 04:07:11 PM
Well the discussion will now be. What will the new name be. 9 years ago the same discussion occured when the PAC changed to the CSAC. Some of the proposed names back then were the American Small College Conference, the Atlantic Small College Conference and the Mason Dixon Conference among others before the Colonial States was actually named. The former were offered up by my old friend wolfpac.

So what should the new conference be called?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on June 13, 2017, 06:01:23 PM
I also have heard that Rosemont might move to the new conference if they add more athletic programs. So the CSAC will need to add more teams if they want to keep the AQs
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 13, 2017, 08:53:41 PM
Rosemont announced yesterday it was adding five programs ...
http://www.rosemont.edu/news/new-strategic-plan-college-athletics.php
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on June 14, 2017, 12:22:38 AM
A higher likelyhood, then, they will be leaving the CSAC for the new conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 14, 2017, 03:21:51 PM
From what I have been told from sources on this... Rosemont has expressed interest in joining this conference, but so far have had their inquiries rebuffed. Maybe in the future they may join, but at this time they aren't part of the eight who are formerly making up this conference.

Their announcement of new sports could be for a number of reasons: help the CSAC solidify AQs in sports that now could be in jeopardy; make themselves more interesting for this new conference; bring in more enrollment to the school. Heck, a combination of those reasons could be the actual reason.

I don't think the CSAC is going to be in trouble. They can pick up schools to solidify things. They can even think about changing their bylaws to allow public schools to shore up their numbers even more. The conference to worry about is the CAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on June 14, 2017, 06:54:26 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 14, 2017, 03:21:51 PM
From what I have been told from sources on this... Rosemont has expressed interest in joining this conference, but so far have had their inquiries rebuffed. Maybe in the future they may join, but at this time they aren't part of the eight who are formerly making up this conference.

Their announcement of new sports could be for a number of reasons: help the CSAC solidify AQs in sports that now could be in jeopardy; make themselves more interesting for this new conference; bring in more enrollment to the school. Heck, a combination of those reasons could be the actual reason.

I don't think the CSAC is going to be in trouble. They can pick up schools to solidify things. They can even think about changing their bylaws to allow public schools to shore up their numbers even more. The conference to worry about is the CAC.

Is this because York and SoVA might be leaving? I can see the CSAC siphoning off teams from the NEAC to keep the AQs.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 15, 2017, 12:40:17 PM
We know - and reported - that Southern Virginia has been courted by the Old Dominion Athletic Conference (or visa versa) to join them mainly because of football. From what I have been told, it started out with three teams and is down to two with Southern Virginia being one of them. A decision will be made soon from the ODAC on whether to offer another school a position in the conference and who that will be (according to sources it is down to Southern Virginia or Averett, but I am not sure of where it goes beyond that; the eliminated school was Ferrum).

York has to be nervous. I know they have been loyal to the CAC, but even if Southern Virginia stays, they would be one of two private institutions in the conference. I suspect that while rumors have said they have wanted out for years... this may force their hand (they have had offers in the past, but not taken them or had those offers taken off the table according to a source).

The CAC very easily could be left with just Salisbury, St. Mary's, Christopher Newport, Mary Washington, PSU-Harrisburg, Frostburg. And if you look at the landscape and the geography... they have nothing left to pull from. Maybe TCNJ or Rowan is fed up with the NJAC and leaves... but I doubt it. The CAC certainly isn't going to entice any privates to join them. The CSAC will absolutely pull from the NEAC, for the most part. It just leaves very vew options for the CAC.

I have been worrying for over a month as I have worked on this story that the CAC could easily end up splintering and disolving. Heck, there are some who fear one of the CAC schools may even look to DII to get out of this mess - though, that feels doubtful for me.

We shall see what happens, but in terms of keeping conferences running... the CAC is the one that I see having the biggest problems here.

(If S. Virginia doesn't go to the ODAC and York feels like staying as a result, the CAC could have stopped the bleeding; those two schools have some important decisions to make or be made that will directly impact the future of the CAC.)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on June 15, 2017, 11:34:32 PM
Dave, Thanks for the info and insight. +1
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 01, 2017, 12:49:06 AM
5 teams officially withdrawing.

http://csacsports.com/news/2017/6/30/general-csac-announces-membership-changes-for-2018-19.aspx?path=
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 01, 2017, 12:57:02 AM
Quote from: mailsy on July 01, 2017, 12:49:06 AM
5 teams officially withdrawing.

http://csacsports.com/news/2017/6/30/general-csac-announces-membership-changes-for-2018-19.aspx?path=

Confirmation of our previous coverage.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 04, 2017, 09:20:24 AM
Happy 4th of July to all my fellow posters!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on July 04, 2017, 12:45:28 PM
Happy Fourth to you, too, Mailsy and everyone out there on D3 Hoops!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on August 31, 2017, 05:08:00 PM
Bryn Athyn and Wilson join the CSAC for 2018.

http://csacsports.com/news/2017/8/30/baseball-csac-adds-two-new-members-for-2018-19.aspx?path=
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 22, 2017, 04:15:31 PM
Quote from: mailsy on August 31, 2017, 05:08:00 PM
Bryn Athyn and Wilson join the CSAC for 2018.

http://csacsports.com/news/2017/8/30/baseball-csac-adds-two-new-members-for-2018-19.aspx?path=

Mailsy - You have to see the "gymnasiums" at Bryn Athyn and Wilson. They make Eastern, DeSales and even Rosemont look like the Palestra. OK, maybe not Rosemont!! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on September 23, 2017, 12:36:18 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 22, 2017, 04:15:31 PM
Quote from: mailsy on August 31, 2017, 05:08:00 PM
Bryn Athyn and Wilson join the CSAC for 2018.

http://csacsports.com/news/2017/8/30/baseball-csac-adds-two-new-members-for-2018-19.aspx?path=

Mailsy - You have to see the "gymnasiums" at Bryn Athyn and Wilson. They make Eastern, DeSales and even Rosemont look like the Palestra. OK, maybe not Rosemont!! ;)

I may never see those gyms since the Cavs will be starting a new conference in 2018-19.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 23, 2017, 06:43:34 PM
Quote from: mailsy on September 23, 2017, 12:36:18 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 22, 2017, 04:15:31 PM
Quote from: mailsy on August 31, 2017, 05:08:00 PM
Bryn Athyn and Wilson join the CSAC for 2018.

http://csacsports.com/news/2017/8/30/baseball-csac-adds-two-new-members-for-2018-19.aspx?path=

Mailsy - You have to see the "gymnasiums" at Bryn Athyn and Wilson. They make Eastern, DeSales and even Rosemont look like the Palestra. OK, maybe not Rosemont!! ;)

I may never see those gyms since the Cavs will be starting a new conference in 2018-19.  ;D

There is always the "post-Conference roulette out-of-conference games" though!! ;)

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 05, 2017, 11:22:45 PM
Cabrini Cavs schedule is out. Some nice OOC Games.

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=224
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on October 15, 2017, 11:18:06 AM
Practice starts today. Really looking forward to this year. Cavs Senior Tyheim Monroe( if he stays healthy) should break the school's scoring and rebounding records. With the new players and if everybody stays healthy I like the Cavs to win the conference in their last year in the CSAC.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 02, 2017, 04:57:06 AM
#23 in the top 25 preseason poll. I know they're going to better than last year. Just a little surprised that they are ranked. Just a little. ;D Thought they would get some votes. Definitely nice to see. 13 days til season opener against Eastern.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on November 02, 2017, 08:59:29 AM
Quote from: mailsy on November 02, 2017, 04:57:06 AM
#23 in the top 25 preseason poll. I know they're going to better than last year. Just a little surprised that they are ranked. Just a little. ;D Thought they would get some votes. Definitely nice to see. 13 days til season opener against Eastern.

GO CAVS!!!


And a few days later til the measuring-stick game with Scranton.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 02, 2017, 06:33:58 PM
Hey ronk! Are you planning to attend that night?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on November 02, 2017, 07:29:59 PM
Quote from: mailsy on November 02, 2017, 06:33:58 PM
Hey ronk! Are you planning to attend that night?

No, the combo of distance and heavy traffic around Baltimore and the Philly suburbs usually cause me to pass on the midweek doubleheader, but I will watch the videostream.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 03, 2017, 10:54:55 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 02, 2017, 07:29:59 PM
Quote from: mailsy on November 02, 2017, 06:33:58 PM
Hey ronk! Are you planning to attend that night?

No, the combo of distance and heavy traffic around Baltimore and the Philly suburbs usually cause me to pass on the midweek doubleheader, but I will watch the videostream.

Ronk, our little hamlets out in the Philly suburbs (bucolic Doylestown/Chalfont/New Britain/Buckingham/Solebury) are getting a little more clogged (avoid Route 611 like the plague) as those darned New Yawkers and North Joisey types move down to escape the insanity. My new neighbor (who sounds like a cast member from that awful show, Jersey Shore, called it a "quality of life" decision! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on November 03, 2017, 12:11:02 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 03, 2017, 10:54:55 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 02, 2017, 07:29:59 PM
Quote from: mailsy on November 02, 2017, 06:33:58 PM
Hey ronk! Are you planning to attend that night?

No, the combo of distance and heavy traffic around Baltimore and the Philly suburbs usually cause me to pass on the midweek doubleheader, but I will watch the videostream.

Ronk, our little hamlets out in the Philly suburbs (bucolic Doylestown/Chalfont/New Britain/Buckingham/Solebury) are getting a little more clogged (avoid Route 611 like the plague) as those darned New Yawkers and North Joisey types move down to escape the insanity. My new neighbor (who sounds like a cast member from that awful show, Jersey Shore, called it a "quality of life" decision! :)

I'm leaning towards attending, now; have a sister not far from Cabrini that I could visit with in the afternoon before the double-header. Will decide closer to gameday.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 04, 2017, 12:09:32 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 03, 2017, 12:11:02 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 03, 2017, 10:54:55 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 02, 2017, 07:29:59 PM
Quote from: mailsy on November 02, 2017, 06:33:58 PM
Hey ronk! Are you planning to attend that night?

No, the combo of distance and heavy traffic around Baltimore and the Philly suburbs usually cause me to pass on the midweek doubleheader, but I will watch the videostream.

Ronk, our little hamlets out in the Philly suburbs (bucolic Doylestown/Chalfont/New Britain/Buckingham/Solebury) are getting a little more clogged (avoid Route 611 like the plague) as those darned New Yawkers and North Joisey types move down to escape the insanity. My new neighbor (who sounds like a cast member from that awful show, Jersey Shore, called it a "quality of life" decision! :)

I'm leaning towards attending, now; have a sister not far from Cabrini that I could visit with in the afternoon before the double-header. Will decide closer to gameday.

If you're there, look me up. I usually sit across the court from the Cavs bench. 2nd or 3rd row from the floor. Close enough to yell at the refs.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on November 04, 2017, 12:41:10 AM
Quote from: mailsy on November 04, 2017, 12:09:32 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 03, 2017, 12:11:02 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 03, 2017, 10:54:55 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 02, 2017, 07:29:59 PM
Quote from: mailsy on November 02, 2017, 06:33:58 PM
Hey ronk! Are you planning to attend that night?

No, the combo of distance and heavy traffic around Baltimore and the Philly suburbs usually cause me to pass on the midweek doubleheader, but I will watch the videostream.

Ronk, our little hamlets out in the Philly suburbs (bucolic Doylestown/Chalfont/New Britain/Buckingham/Solebury) are getting a little more clogged (avoid Route 611 like the plague) as those darned New Yawkers and North Joisey types move down to escape the insanity. My new neighbor (who sounds like a cast member from that awful show, Jersey Shore, called it a "quality of life" decision! :)

I'm leaning towards attending, now; have a sister not far from Cabrini that I could visit with in the afternoon before the double-header. Will decide closer to gameday.

If you're there, look me up. I usually sit across the court from the Cavs bench. 2nd or 3rd row from the floor. Close enough to yell at the refs.  ;D

Will do.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 06, 2017, 10:43:18 AM
Throwing this in here because I forgot to do it last week.

The new national coordinator of officials was the CSAC assignor the last four seasons. Thought the group would like to know that: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2017/10/ncaa-officials-coordinator
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 06, 2017, 06:09:02 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 06, 2017, 10:43:18 AM
Throwing this in here because I forgot to do it last week.

The new national coordinator of officials was the CSAC assignor the last four seasons. Thought the group would like to know that: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2017/10/ncaa-officials-coordinator

He's a top notch guy and he's got cajones, too.  ;D He scheduled the referee, who blew the call in the CSAC semifinal game in 2016(Cabrini @Neumann that certainly effected the outcome of that game) on opening night at Cabrini when they hosted Eastern to start the 2016-17 season. You got a love it.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 08, 2017, 06:20:43 PM
Cabrini tabbed as favorites to win the CSAC. Neumann is 2nd with Gwynedd not to far behind in 3rd and then everybody else.

http://csacsports.org/news/2017/11/8/mens-basketball-cabrini-nets-top-honors-in-csac-mbb-preseason-poll.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 10, 2017, 05:05:28 PM
Congrats to Cabrini's Tyheim Monroe named 2nd Team pre-season All-American.

http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-americans/men/preseason-2018
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 15, 2017, 09:21:28 AM
Today a new season begins and the end of Cabrini, Gwynedd, Neumann, Immaculata and Marywood's membership in the CSAC.

Cabrini heads to the bandbox at Eastern.
Gwynedd hosts Arcadia.
Neumann hosts Rutgers-Camden.
Immaculata travels to Delaware Valley.
Marywood hosts Penn State Lehigh Valley.
Rosemont entertains DeSales.
Keystone hosts Oneonta.
Clarks Summit hosts Saint Elizabeth.
Cairn hosts Lebanon Valley.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 23, 2017, 08:32:18 AM
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

I am thankful for many things in life including all of you who make this site entertaining and informative.

All the best for you and families. Be well!

mailsy
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on November 30, 2017, 03:49:38 PM
 Nice victory for Cabrini over Scranton last night; could have gone either way. Scranton played fairly well, better than their 3 most recent games. After the big 3-pter to give Cabrini the lead in the last half minute, I fully agreed with the Cabrini strategy of fouling vs defending a possible tying 3-pt attempt by Scranton.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 03, 2017, 11:59:39 AM
I am officially renaming this board the Mailsyronk Board. Where the he** is everybody????
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 06, 2017, 11:37:41 PM
Tough win for the Cavs tonight. Cairn stayed with them most of the night. Game not decided til late. Highlanders gave the Cavs all they could. I see them being much improved.

Congrats to Cavs' Tyheim Monroe. Tied career CSAC record for rebounds with Badouye Gaye of Gwynedd. Ty gets to break the record on Gwynedd's home court Saturday.

Also Gwynedd crushed Goucher and Neumann dispatched Del Val. Not unexpected. But 2 more OOC wins against D3 non-cons. Good year for CSAC so far.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on December 07, 2017, 08:37:23 AM
Badou Gaye - that is a blast from the past.  All the way back to the days of the PAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2017, 11:55:56 AM
Gwyedd Mercy is going to be battling for the top of the conference this season.

I saw them last night at Goucher... and despite the fact GMC shot 21-26 from the field and 12-16 from 3PT range in the first half, I liked how they played and they are deep on the bench. They have a lot of pieces in place and can change styles at a moment's notice. Wise inside is far better than in the past (weight loss helps) and they have complimentary pieces including good ball handling, outside shooting, and more.

John Baron was coaching them a ton in the game, but they were receptive. GMC impressed me and will absolutely be in the conversation.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 09, 2017, 02:45:53 PM
OT at the Griffin Center. Cavs & GMU TIED at 85.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 13, 2017, 01:24:05 PM
More than a little love for the CSAC in this week's Around the Region column:

http://d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/atlantic/2017-18/cabrini-monroe-development
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 20, 2017, 02:16:43 PM
2 good OOC wins for the Cavs down in Miami. Beat two previously 1 loss teams coming into the games SCIAC leader Chapman and #25 Eastern Connecticut. Cabrini now 2-0 against ECSU. Beat the Warriors back in 2012 in the sweet 16 on their way to the National Championship game.

Now some time to enjoy the holidays.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 20, 2017, 04:26:13 PM
Quote from: mailsy on December 20, 2017, 02:16:43 PM
2 good OOC wins for the Cavs down in Miami. Beat two previously 1 loss teams coming into the games SCIAC leader Chapman and #25 Eastern Connecticut. Cabrini now 2-0 against ECSU. Beat the Warriors back in 2012 in the sweet 16 on their way to the National Championship game.

Now some time to enjoy the holidays.

GO CAVS!!!

mailsy - I saw the Gwynedd Mercy game against Rosemont...................and have no idea how GM beat Cabrini. They have one big (height and weight) and a guard or two and that's about it. It had to be an off night for the Cavs.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 20, 2017, 09:27:05 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 20, 2017, 04:26:13 PM
Quote from: mailsy on December 20, 2017, 02:16:43 PM
2 good OOC wins for the Cavs down in Miami. Beat two previously 1 loss teams coming into the games SCIAC leader Chapman and #25 Eastern Connecticut. Cabrini now 2-0 against ECSU. Beat the Warriors back in 2012 in the sweet 16 on their way to the National Championship game.

Now some time to enjoy the holidays.

GO CAVS!!!

mailsy - I saw the Gwynedd Mercy game against Rosemont...................and have no idea how GM beat Cabrini. They have one big (height and weight) and a guard or two and that's about it. It had to be an off night for the Cavs.

I don't know. They were down early and were down at the half. Part of it was they had an emergency starter put in and that could have effected them mentally. They did take the lead eventually but that tired them out and went to OT as you're aware. They just didn't have anything left.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 25, 2017, 02:32:42 PM
Merry Christmas everyone!!! Enjoy the day with your family and friends.

mailsy
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 07, 2018, 09:36:58 PM
Just wanted to congratulate Cabrini's Tyheim Monroe on breaking Cabrini men's bball scoring record. He broke Aaron Walton Moss's record.

Cavs, Gwynedd, Neumann & Keystone are all tied up on top in the CSAC at 4-1. It will be an interesting year in the CSAC.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 10, 2018, 11:31:26 AM
I had the opportunity to watch the Cavs live and in person for the first time this year over at Rosemont. Good conference win on the road. Tyheim Monroe with another double double 24 pts 17 boards. I know he can hit the 3 occasionally but boy oh boy I feel he is so much more effective down near the block. Nobody alone can guard him. I think he's the beat player in the CSAC. Keith Blassingale had another good shooting night 11 of 19 from the floor and 27 pts. If he keeps this up and with Ty underneath good things will happen.
Only complaints I really have is that they have such terrible lapses on defense and some time rush too much when they don't have to. If they played defense the whole game like they played in spurts last night look out. Plus the games wouldn't have to be so close  ;D

In other action. Gwynedd takes down Neumann. Immaculata beats Cairn in a tough matchup. Marywood pulled out a win at home against Keystone. The Pacers were down 22 at the half and 24 early in the 2nd half. Finally in the battle for last place. Clark Summit takes the trail after falling to Centenary.

Thursday night all the squads will be action in conference play. Currently Gwynedd and the Cavs are tied @ 5-1 with GMU holding the tie breaker. Neumann and Keystone at 4-2. IU, Rosemont and Marywood at 3-3. Cairn is at 2-4. Cent at 1-5 and CSU @ 0-6.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 12, 2018, 11:07:38 AM
Quote from: mailsy on January 10, 2018, 11:31:26 AM
I had the opportunity to watch the Cavs live and in person for the first time this year over at Rosemont. Good conference win on the road. Tyheim Monroe with another double double 24 pts 17 boards. I know he can hit the 3 occasionally but boy oh boy I feel he is so much more effective down near the block. Nobody alone can guard him. I think he's the beat player in the CSAC. Keith Blassingale had another good shooting night 11 of 19 from the floor and 27 pts. If he keeps this up and with Ty underneath good things will happen.
Only complaints I really have is that they have such terrible lapses on defense and some time rush too much when they don't have to. If they played defense the whole game like they played in spurts last night look out. Plus the games wouldn't have to be so close  ;D

In other action. Gwynedd takes down Neumann. Immaculata beats Cairn in a tough matchup. Marywood pulled out a win at home against Keystone. The Pacers were down 22 at the half and 24 early in the 2nd half. Finally in the battle for last place. Clark Summit takes the trail after falling to Centenary.

Thursday night all the squads will be action in conference play. Currently Gwynedd and the Cavs are tied @ 5-1 with GMU holding the tie breaker. Neumann and Keystone at 4-2. IU, Rosemont and Marywood at 3-3. Cairn is at 2-4. Cent at 1-5 and CSU @ 0-6.

GO CAVS!!!

Mailsy (on what has become the "Mailsy Board" ;) ) Where did you sit in what Rosemont calls a college "gymnasium"? It looks like my grade school gymaniusm/cafeteria combo from many years ago! How does a recruit look at that and say, "Oh yea, I've got to get me some of THAT"!! Coach Hughes is a miracle worker!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 12, 2018, 01:07:08 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on January 12, 2018, 11:07:38 AM
Quote from: mailsy on January 10, 2018, 11:31:26 AM
I had the opportunity to watch the Cavs live and in person for the first time this year over at Rosemont. Good conference win on the road. Tyheim Monroe with another double double 24 pts 17 boards. I know he can hit the 3 occasionally but boy oh boy I feel he is so much more effective down near the block. Nobody alone can guard him. I think he's the beat player in the CSAC. Keith Blassingale had another good shooting night 11 of 19 from the floor and 27 pts. If he keeps this up and with Ty underneath good things will happen.
Only complaints I really have is that they have such terrible lapses on defense and some time rush too much when they don't have to. If they played defense the whole game like they played in spurts last night look out. Plus the games wouldn't have to be so close  ;D

In other action. Gwynedd takes down Neumann. Immaculata beats Cairn in a tough matchup. Marywood pulled out a win at home against Keystone. The Pacers were down 22 at the half and 24 early in the 2nd half. Finally in the battle for last place. Clark Summit takes the trail after falling to Centenary.

Thursday night all the squads will be action in conference play. Currently Gwynedd and the Cavs are tied @ 5-1 with GMU holding the tie breaker. Neumann and Keystone at 4-2. IU, Rosemont and Marywood at 3-3. Cairn is at 2-4. Cent at 1-5 and CSU @ 0-6.

GO CAVS!!!

Mailsy (on what has become the "Mailsy Board" ;) ) Where did you sit in what Rosemont calls a college "gymnasium"? It looks like my grade school gymaniusm/cafeteria combo from many years ago! How does a recruit look at that and say, "Oh yea, I've got to get me some of THAT"!! Coach Hughes is a miracle worker!!

Top row so I can see everything. It just so happens it's the same row(the third row) that I sit at the Dixon Center. 😀
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on January 18, 2018, 05:23:43 PM
A somewhat surprising score in last nights Cabrini/ Nuemann game. Not that the Cavs won. It's that they put a good hurtin' on the Knights. A close game at the half(4 pts) turned into a 29 point win. Cavs had moments during the game where they looked like they could beat anyone and then had times where they looked like they couldn't beat anyone. However, Neumann never took full advantage of it. Deryl Bagwell had his first triple double of his career. Tyheim had his usual double/double and Keith Blassingale led the team again with 29.

Cavs travel up to Scranton to take on Marywood on Friday night. This game was moved from Saturday because of an electrical fire. School is having it fixed and have to cut the power to the gym. Hopefully it's not a trap game, because Monday they travel down to Aston, PA to take on Neumann who will be looking for revenge.

BTW nicely officiated game by the refs.

GO CAVS!!#
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 01, 2018, 06:49:49 PM
Big win for the Cavs last night over Gwynedd. Dixon Center was rocking(which is so cool to see). Both teams had runs. Cavs lead most of the way. Trailed early but took a 49-40 lead into the locker room. Monroe only had 3 pts and 4 rebounds. The second half Cavs fill in pg Dareyl Bagwell picked up 2 quick fouls which made it 4 and he went to the bench. Cavs held on for while but eventually Gwynedd made their run. They did take a late lead but Cavs came back and never trailed again. Griffins had their chances but Cavs prevailed. Ty Monroe was injured near the start of half and sat out for several minutes. He came back and finished with 17 pts and 10 boards to record another double double. Hit the last FTs that kept Gwynedd at bay. A reason he is a definite candidate for All American and should be a first teamer.

Cavs (17-3, 12-2) now lead the CSAC by .5 games over Gwynedd. They have 5 games left. 4 in conference. Cabrini hosts College of Staten Island on Saturday in the CSAC/CUNYAC challenge. Then they head up to Keystone on 2-7, Host Rosemont on 2-10. At Immaculata on 2-14 then finish with Clark Summit fpr senior day on 2-17. Those first 3 won't be easy.

Rooting for the CSAC this weekend.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 03, 2018, 04:09:56 PM
2-2 in the Challenge so far. 3 games to go.

CSAC wins the CSAC/CUNYAC Challenge 5-4.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 03, 2018, 07:41:04 PM
Home teams went 8-1. Keystone only road team to win..over Medgar Evers.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 04, 2018, 11:14:42 PM
Getting off topic for minute.

The Philadelphia Eagles are Super Bowl Champions!!! WOOHOO!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2018, 11:43:58 PM
Fly, Eagles fly!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 07, 2018, 04:05:21 PM
Cavs ranked 2nd in regional rankings. 4 NJAC teams, 3 CSAC teams and 1 Skyline. No MAC Freedom teams.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 09, 2018, 07:04:33 PM
Mailsy - We were at the game and the parade.................and I need to sleep this entire weekend to catch up. I'm toast!!

In the words of Jason Kelce.......................nah, I won't go there..................................

SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS BABY

FOUR RINGS

MY THUMB NEEDS ONE!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 09, 2018, 07:29:43 PM
I did get to the parade as well....and it was nuts!!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 10, 2018, 10:38:47 PM
Cavs have the inside track to take the number 1 spot in the CSAC playoffs and home court throughout. They beat Rosemont 88-83. They have a 1.5 game lead over Gwynedd. Cabrini travels to Immaculata on 2/14. Cavs can't overlook this team since the Mighty Macs are fighting for a playoff spot. Cabrini finishes with Clark Summit on 2-17 at home.

In other CSAC action in a mild surprise, Marywood knocks off Gwynedd in Gwynedd Valley. It's the Pacers first win at Gwynedd in 18 years. Gwynedd has now lost 3 of 4 and didn't look good in their win against Clark Summit. They play Keystone Monday and Keystone is also fighting for  a playoff spot. They then play at Neumann on Wednesday. If they don't get it together they may not get a bye for the playoffs.

Speaking of Neumann. They blew a huge chance today. They got upset by Centenary in Hackettstown. The Cyclones came into the game 6-16 overall and 3-12 in the conference. They host the Griffins on 2-14 and could earn themselves a bye.

Other finals. Cairn beats Clark Summit 79-54 and Keystone knocks off Immaculata 92-88. 

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 10, 2018, 11:35:12 PM
Also congrats to Cabrini head coach Tim McDonald for attaining his first 20 win season.

Great job Coach!!!!

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 13, 2018, 12:18:22 PM
2 games left for all teams in the conference. 7 of 10 teams still in the hunt for CSAC playoffs. Seeding still up for grabs. Cairn, Centenary & Clark Summit have been eliminated.

Current standings
#1 Cabrini 14-2 @ Immaculata, vs Clark Summit
#2 Gwynedd 13-3 @ Neumann, vs Centenary
#3 Neumann 12-4 vs Gwynedd, @ Cairn
#4 Rosemont 9-7 vs Cairn, vs Keystone
#5 Immaculata 9-7 vs Cabrini, @ Marywood
#6 Marywood 8-8 @Clark Summit, vs Immaculata
#6 Keystone 8-8 vs Centenary, @ Rosemont

Saturday's games will determine who gets in. Could actually have 4 of those teams @9-8 going in to Saturday's final games
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2018, 02:02:04 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 15, 2018, 06:48:03 AM
1 game left. 4 teams have clinched a playoff spot for the CSAC tournament. Saturday will determine the last 2 spots with 3 teams vying for those spots.

Current standings
#1 Cabrini 15-2 won @ Immaculata 87-75, vs Clark Summit
#2 Gwynedd 14-3 won @ Neumann 81-79, vs Centenary
#3 Neumann 12-5 lost to Gwynedd 79-81, @ Cairn
#4 Rosemont 10-7 defeated Cairn 92-61, vs Keystone
Immaculata 9-8 lost to Cabrini 75-87, @ Marywood
Marywood 9-8 won @Clark Summit 77-73, vs Immaculata
Keystone 9-8 defeated Centenary 70-61, @ Rosemont

Cabrini and Gwynedd have byes. Gwynedd can get #1 seed with a win and a Cabrini loss. Have the tie-breaker with sweep of #3 Neumann.

#3 Neumann locked in will host #6 seed.
#4 Rosemont locked in will host #5 seed.

Keystone is in if they win. Also in if they lose to Rosemont and Immaculata loses. (Swept Immaculata)

Immaculata in if they win.
Marywood in with a win or a loss with a Keystone loss. (Swept Keystone)

Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 16, 2018, 11:41:35 AM
I found it fascinating. I was just reviewing Saturday's schedule. The schedule was set up perfectly. 1 plays 10, 2 plays 9, 3 plays 8. Won't impact playoffs other than maybe who gets #1 seed. Seeds 4 5 6 7 play against each other and 3 of the 4 will impact who gets in. Only lock is #4 Rosemont. Keystone, Immaculata and Marywood will battle it out to see who makes CSAC tourney. It will be a fun day in the CSAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 17, 2018, 03:49:19 PM
On senior day Cabrini wins against Clark Summit. Cabrini recognized seniors Tyheim Monroe and Deryl Bagwell. The 2 combined for over 3000 points and 2000 rebounds. In today's game Tyheim finished with a triple double 12 pts 11 boards and 11 assists. Deryl got 9 boards and 7 assists.

Next game CSAC semi-final on Wednesday. Cavs lock up the #1 seed. Opponent to be determined Monday night.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 17, 2018, 09:13:22 PM
CSAC Tournament set. Playoffs begin Monday night.

#1 Cabrini (16-2, 22-3) bye
#2 Gwynedd Mercy (15-3, 20-5) bye

Quarterfinals Monday February 19, 2018

#6 Keystone (9-9, 11-14) @
#3 Neumann (13-5, 18-7) 8pm

#5 Marywood (10-8, 15-10) @
#4 Rosemont (11-7, 16-9) 7 pm

Semifinals Wednesday February 21, 2018

TBD @ #1 Cabrini 8pm
TBD @ #2 Gwynedd Mercy 8pm

Finals Saturday February 24, 2018

@ Highest remaining seed.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 19, 2018, 03:48:38 PM
End of the year awards were announced by the CSAC. Coach Tim McDonald from Cabrini picks up his first COY award. Tyheim Monroe from Cabrini earns POY(and 1st team awards). That's back to back. Fourth Cavalier to do it.  Cavs have earned last 8 of 9 awards. Neumann's Aaron Johnson-Chavis got DPOY and ROY.

http://csacsports.com/news/2018/2/18/csac-announces-2017-18-mens-basketball-end-of-season-awards.aspx?path=

Also want to congratulate other Cavs. Deryl Bagwell 2nd team. Keith Blassingale HM and Mike Doyle for the Sportsmanship Award(3rd year in a row he's earned that award).
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 19, 2018, 08:44:41 PM
CSAC Tournament. Playoffs begin Monday night.

#1 Cabrini (16-2, 22-3) bye
#2 Gwynedd Mercy (15-3, 20-5) bye

Quarterfinals Monday February 19, 2018

#6 Keystone (9-9, 11-14) 65
#3 Neumann (13-5, 19-7) 78

#5 Marywood (10-8, 15-11) 58 @
#4 Rosemont (11-7, 17-9) 97

Semifinals Wednesday February 21, 2018

#4 Rosemont (11-7, 17-9) @
#1 Cabrini (16-2, 22-3) 8pm

#3 Neumann (13-5, 19-7) @
#2 Gwynedd Mercy (15-3, 20-5) 8pm

Finals Saturday February 24, 2018

@ Highest remaining seed.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 02:43:39 PM
The NCAA men's basketball regional advisory committees released their third set of rankings, and as expected, the Atlantic Region was among those getting shuffled. Here's the full list: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-third

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdnak1.psbin.com%2Fimg%2Fmw%3D600%2Fmh%3D600%2Fcr%3Dn%2Fd%3D4ima3%2Fdinflo07zg1qa2ww.jpg&hash=686d8e036c15a7019bc8f4723e2af35008adc158)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 21, 2018, 10:32:32 PM
CSAC Tournament. Playoffs begin Monday night.

#1 Cabrini (16-2, 22-3) bye
#2 Gwynedd Mercy (15-3, 20-5) bye

Quarterfinals Monday February 19, 2018

#6 Keystone (9-9, 11-14) 65
#3 Neumann (13-5, 19-7) 78

#5 Marywood (10-8, 15-11) 58 @
#4 Rosemont (11-7, 17-9) 97

Semifinals Wednesday February 21, 2018

#4 Rosemont (11-7, 17-10) 72 @
#1 Cabrini (16-2, 23-3) 91

#3 Neumann (13-5, 20-7) 102 @
#2 Gwynedd Mercy (15-3, 20-6) 85

Finals Saturday February 24, 2018

#3 Neumann (13-5, 20-7) @
#1 Cabrini (16-2, 23-3) @ 7 pm
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2018, 10:58:16 PM

Just for updates: after tonight Tyheim Monroe is sitting at 1973 points and 1446 rebounds.  As far as I can tell 1450 would put him 6th all-time.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 23, 2018, 10:07:58 AM
It will be a crazy day on campus at Cabrini tomorrow. It will be an all day affair for the athletic office and staff. Lacrosse plays #15 Lynchburg at 1 and then the Lady Cavs take on Neumann at 4 then the Cavs take on Neumann @ 7 for the CSAC championships. BTW Brad, the AD, and his staff do a wonderful job keeping it well organized.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 23, 2018, 05:16:34 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2018, 10:58:16 PM

Just for updates: after tonight Tyheim Monroe is sitting at 1973 points and 1446 rebounds.  As far as I can tell 1450 would put him 6th all-time.

The backstory shows you just how badly coaches can make recruiting blunders and oversights. Tyheim is at least a D2, if not a Patriot League D1 type of player.

Back in the mid-1980's, Norristown (a Philly suburb) had a 6'4", back to the basket CENTER by the name of Daren Queenan. He was an out-of-position whiz. The only school to offer him a full scholarship was Lehigh University. He had a plethora of D2 and D3 options. Lehigh worked with him and turned him into a shooting guard/small forward. He became only one of eight players in D1 history to record over 2700 points and over 1000 rebounds........at 6'4".........at the D1 level. Insane! He played overseas for a dozen years or so and is using his Lehigh education and pro contacts as a CFP.

I've seen Tyheim. I can't speak for his accomplishments in the classroom and if he had the chops to succeed in a Patriot League setting.........but he's taller and much stronger than Queenan.......and some higher level coaches blew it big time by overlooking him coming out of high school, or as a transfer.

I hope that he has overseas success if he gets the opportunity. Great player!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 23, 2018, 06:41:11 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 23, 2018, 05:16:34 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2018, 10:58:16 PM

Just for updates: after tonight Tyheim Monroe is sitting at 1973 points and 1446 rebounds.  As far as I can tell 1450 would put him 6th all-time.

The backstory shows you just how badly coaches can make recruiting blunders and oversights. Tyheim is at least a D2, if not a Patriot League D1 type of player.

Back in the mid-1980's, Norristown (a Philly suburb) had a 6'4", back to the basket CENTER by the name of Daren Queenan. He was an out-of-position whiz. The only school to offer him a full scholarship was Lehigh University. He had a plethora of D2 and D3 options. Lehigh worked with him and turned him into a shooting guard/small forward. He became only one of eight players in D1 history to record over 2700 points and over 1000 rebounds........at 6'4".........at the D1 level. Insane! He played overseas for a dozen years or so and is using his Lehigh education and pro contacts as a CFP.

I've seen Tyheim. I can't speak for his accomplishments in the classroom and if he had the chops to succeed in a Patriot League setting.........but he's taller and much stronger than Queenan.......and some higher level coaches blew it big time by overlooking him coming out of high school, or as a transfer.

I hope that he has overseas success if he gets the opportunity. Great player!

Maybe you don't know this but he was 6'2/3" as a senior. Cabrini was looking at him as a guard. Grew several inches before and while at Cabrini. Probably why he was overlooked.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2018, 10:29:50 PM
Sometimes it isn't a mistake by anyone... it is a choice by the student.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2018, 07:21:18 AM
Quote from: mailsy on February 23, 2018, 06:41:11 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 23, 2018, 05:16:34 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2018, 10:58:16 PM

Just for updates: after tonight Tyheim Monroe is sitting at 1973 points and 1446 rebounds.  As far as I can tell 1450 would put him 6th all-time.

The backstory shows you just how badly coaches can make recruiting blunders and oversights. Tyheim is at least a D2, if not a Patriot League D1 type of player.

Back in the mid-1980's, Norristown (a Philly suburb) had a 6'4", back to the basket CENTER by the name of Daren Queenan. He was an out-of-position whiz. The only school to offer him a full scholarship was Lehigh University. He had a plethora of D2 and D3 options. Lehigh worked with him and turned him into a shooting guard/small forward. He became only one of eight players in D1 history to record over 2700 points and over 1000 rebounds........at 6'4".........at the D1 level. Insane! He played overseas for a dozen years or so and is using his Lehigh education and pro contacts as a CFP.

I've seen Tyheim. I can't speak for his accomplishments in the classroom and if he had the chops to succeed in a Patriot League setting.........but he's taller and much stronger than Queenan.......and some higher level coaches blew it big time by overlooking him coming out of high school, or as a transfer.

I hope that he has overseas success if he gets the opportunity. Great player!

Maybe you don't know this but he was 6'2/3" as a senior. Cabrini was looking at him as a guard. Grew several inches before and while at Cabrini. Probably why he was overlooked.

That's really the craziest part of this.  Guy comes in as a guard, team finds itself undersized, all of a sudden he's a top five all-time rebounder.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 24, 2018, 08:38:44 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2018, 10:29:50 PM
Sometimes it isn't a mistake by anyone... it is a choice by the student.

I don't believe many schools were looking at him. The staff did a great job of selling Cabrini to him. He's great kid. He's an incredibly hard worker, has become a leader and he's a pleasure to be around. He's great example for many.

Plus I like the fact I've gotten to watch him play FOR Cabrini and not have him play AGAINST us the last 4 years.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 24, 2018, 06:45:12 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 23, 2018, 06:41:11 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 23, 2018, 05:16:34 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2018, 10:58:16 PM

Just for updates: after tonight Tyheim Monroe is sitting at 1973 points and 1446 rebounds.  As far as I can tell 1450 would put him 6th all-time.

The backstory shows you just how badly coaches can make recruiting blunders and oversights. Tyheim is at least a D2, if not a Patriot League D1 type of player.

Back in the mid-1980's, Norristown (a Philly suburb) had a 6'4", back to the basket CENTER by the name of Daren Queenan. He was an out-of-position whiz. The only school to offer him a full scholarship was Lehigh University. He had a plethora of D2 and D3 options. Lehigh worked with him and turned him into a shooting guard/small forward. He became only one of eight players in D1 history to record over 2700 points and over 1000 rebounds........at 6'4".........at the D1 level. Insane! He played overseas for a dozen years or so and is using his Lehigh education and pro contacts as a CFP.

I've seen Tyheim. I can't speak for his accomplishments in the classroom and if he had the chops to succeed in a Patriot League setting.........but he's taller and much stronger than Queenan.......and some higher level coaches blew it big time by overlooking him coming out of high school, or as a transfer.

I hope that he has overseas success if he gets the opportunity. Great player!

Maybe you don't know this but he was 6'2/3" as a senior. Cabrini was looking at him as a guard. Grew several inches before and while at Cabrini. Probably why he was overlooked.

That's kind of my point mailsy. Daren Queenan was 6'4" (the same way that Drew Brees is listed a 6'0".........and he's 5'10") and a center as his Norristown team was tiny. They thought that he had the saavy to make the transition to a shooting guard/small forward...............just as Cabrini recruited Tyheim as a guard. I've heard more than one coach say that they blew it on him, especially the PSAC schools that could have (some of them) given him a full ride or close to it. West Chester had their eyes on him as did Kutztown but never made the offer.

6'5" with guard skills, like Queenan, he'll have a long career overseas if he wants it.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 25, 2018, 10:34:53 AM
Congratulations to the CSAC Champion Cabrini Cavaliers. It's been a few years since I've been able to say that. The Dixon Center had a pretty decent turnout. Not quite the days of the AWM days, but a pretty good turnout. Maybe with hosting this weekend(maybe, but I think they deserve it) we'll see a much larger crowd. Congrats to Anthony Wright-Downing(AWD) for earning Tournament MVP. He had 32 pts (14 of 15 from the field). Cabrini finally got the rematch in the Final and beat Neumann. It's always sweeter when you beat them and they have the long ride home.

This is the last CSAC championship that the Cavs will, seeing as they are moving to a new conference next year. In the 26 years that Cabrini was in the PAC/CSAC they won 14 and were in the final 2 other times. Gwynedd won 5 and lost 3 Championships. While Neumann was 2 and 5. Immaculata was 1-1. These 3 will move on as well. Alvernia was the only other School to win it(4x) and they moved on to the MAC years ago. I see Rosemont winning it next year. They have the talent and the Big 3 aren't ahead them any further.

Other notes. This Cabrini team has probably been one of the most fun teams I have watched and been around and lastly. Tyheim Monroe should be an All-American - First team! If he isn't it would be a travesty.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 02, 2018, 08:06:12 AM
Game day!

Looking forward to the games tonight. If any pollsters are going to be at Cabrini tonight stop by and say hi. I'll be at both games. I sit opposite of the home bench, 3rd row. I'll be wearing Cabrini blue.

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2018, 04:58:52 PM
Quote from: mailsy on March 02, 2018, 08:06:12 AM
Game day!

Looking forward to the games tonight. If any pollsters are going to be at Cabrini tonight stop by and say hi. I'll be at both games. I sit opposite of the home bench, 3rd row. I'll be wearing Cabrini blue.

GO CAVS!!!

Gordon Mann is there, but are you?  Unexpected snow is delaying the starts of those games.  Albright just arrived about 40 minutes prior to game time.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 02, 2018, 08:20:44 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2018, 04:58:52 PM
Quote from: mailsy on March 02, 2018, 08:06:12 AM
Game day!

Looking forward to the games tonight. If any pollsters are going to be at Cabrini tonight stop by and say hi. I'll be at both games. I sit opposite of the home bench, 3rd row. I'll be wearing Cabrini blue.

GO CAVS!!!

Gordon Mann is there, but are you?  Unexpected snow is delaying the starts of those games.  Albright just arrived about 40 minutes prior to game time.

Yes! A 45 minute ride turned into 3 hours and 15 minutes. Lots of trees down. I was 4 miles from the campus and it took over an hour to get there.  :P
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 02, 2018, 11:45:13 PM
Cavs win! Final 88-86. In a game where Cabrini misses 18 FTs(12-30). Derryl Bagwell wins it with a 2 with .2 secs left. Staten Island couldn't get a shot off. #23 for CSI goes for 38 in the loss. Tyheim Monroe scored his 2000 point in the game. But was hurt on the last play of the game. Doesn't look good for tomorrow.

Game's at 7:30 against Springfield who also won by the identical score.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 03, 2018, 11:35:23 PM
Congrats to Springfield. They shot the lights out tonight. Tough way to lose tonight. It was a great year for the Cavs. They finished the season at 25-4. One of the best seasons in Cavs History.

We say goodbye to the 2 seniors Derryl Bagwell and one of the best players in  Cabrini career history, Tyheim Monroe.

Derryl finishes his career with 1127 points 584 rebounds and 279 assists.

Tyheim finishes his outstanding career with 2030 career points, 1480 rebounds and 266 assists. He finishes first statistically for Cabrini and the CSAC and 5th all time in D3 for rebounding. First in scoring for Cabrini and 5th all time in the CSAC.

Both will be missed. Best of luck in their future endeavors. And as always....

GO CAVS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 04, 2018, 08:59:41 AM
Quote from: mailsy on March 03, 2018, 11:35:23 PM
Congrats to Springfield. They shot the lights out tonight. Tough way to lose tonight. It was a great year for the Cavs. They finished the season at 25-4. One of the best seasons in Cavs History.

We say goodbye to the 2 seniors Derryl Bagwell and one of the best players in  Cabrini career history, Tyheim Monroe.

Derryl finishes his career with 1127 points 584 rebounds and 279 assists.

Tyheim finishes his outstanding career with 2030 career points, 1480 rebounds and 266 assists. He finishes first statistically for Cabrini and the CSAC and 5th all time in D3 for rebounding. First in scoring for Cabrini and 5th all time in the CSAC.

Both will be missed. Best of luck in their future endeavors. And as always....

GO CAVS!!!

He's 6th in rebounding all time - I know the record book only shows average, so it misses the 1496 total of Jeff Gibbs.  He ended up two short of 5th place (assuming there aren't other higher total lower down on the rebound average list that don't show up).
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Mike Rejniak on March 12, 2018, 11:25:04 AM
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Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 12, 2018, 06:19:13 PM
Congrats to Cabrini's Coach Tim McDonald and Senior Tyheim Monroe. Tim was named NABC Atlantic District Coach of the Year and Tyheim was announced as Player of the Year.

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/news/2018/3/12/basketball-men-monroe-and-mcdonald-collect-top-atlantic-district-honors-from-nabc.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 13, 2018, 10:06:34 AM
Another award for Cabrini's Tyheim Monroe. D3hoops Atlantic Regional POY. Also Congrats to 2 other CSAC players. Neumann's Tyaire Hudson 3rd team and Aaron Johnson-Chavez, Co-ROY.

http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2017-18/atlantic-men
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 19, 2018, 05:43:31 PM
TRAVESTY!!

Third team. Seriously?!?! :o ??? ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2018, 12:01:52 AM
Quote from: mailsy on March 19, 2018, 05:43:31 PM
TRAVESTY!!

Third team. Seriously?!?! :o ??? ::)

Yes. We only put five on a team, and that's only two or three big men. It's hard to make the All-America team at all, let alone the first two teams.

Twenty-five players, more than 2,000 starters in Division III. It's the top 1.2%.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 20, 2018, 11:38:22 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2018, 12:01:52 AM
Quote from: mailsy on March 19, 2018, 05:43:31 PM
TRAVESTY!!

Third team. Seriously?!?! :o ??? ::)

Yes. We only put five on a team, and that's only two or three big men. It's hard to make the All-America team at all, let alone the first two teams.

Twenty-five players, more than 2,000 starters in Division III. It's the top 1.2%.

Just a reminder. If you haven't seen this.

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/news/2018/3/20/basketball-men-monroe-names-nabc-division-iii-player-of-the-year.aspx

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/news/2018/3/19/basketball-men-diii-news-names-monroe-national-player-of-the-year.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2018, 11:41:06 AM
Quote from: mailsy on March 20, 2018, 11:38:22 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2018, 12:01:52 AM
Quote from: mailsy on March 19, 2018, 05:43:31 PM
TRAVESTY!!

Third team. Seriously?!?! :o ??? ::)

Yes. We only put five on a team, and that's only two or three big men. It's hard to make the All-America team at all, let alone the first two teams.

Twenty-five players, more than 2,000 starters in Division III. It's the top 1.2%.

Just a reminder. If you haven't seen this.

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/news/2018/3/20/basketball-men-monroe-names-nabc-division-iii-player-of-the-year.aspx

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/news/2018/3/19/basketball-men-diii-news-names-monroe-national-player-of-the-year.aspx

You pointing that at us?

First off, the NABC's system is not the same as normal lists. They choose one player from each region to be on the team of eight. Thus there could be players better than others on the first team because there is no way to get more than one per region on a team. The best player in the eyes of the NABC coaches in the Atlantic Region always makes the first team. That just makes it seem like all-regions are equal.

Secondly, DIII News isn't exactly known to a) do much about Division III basketball throughout a season and b ) pay that close attention. It is a nice nod from them, but they don't sway us in any way shape or form (neither does the NABC for that matter).
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 20, 2018, 11:48:09 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2018, 11:41:06 AM
Quote from: mailsy on March 20, 2018, 11:38:22 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2018, 12:01:52 AM
Quote from: mailsy on March 19, 2018, 05:43:31 PM
TRAVESTY!!

Third team. Seriously?!?! :o ??? ::)

Yes. We only put five on a team, and that's only two or three big men. It's hard to make the All-America team at all, let alone the first two teams.

Twenty-five players, more than 2,000 starters in Division III. It's the top 1.2%.

Just a reminder. If you haven't seen this.

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/news/2018/3/20/basketball-men-monroe-names-nabc-division-iii-player-of-the-year.aspx

http://www.cabriniathletics.com/news/2018/3/19/basketball-men-diii-news-names-monroe-national-player-of-the-year.aspx

You pointing that at us?

First off, the NABC's system is not the same as normal lists. They choose one player from each region to be on the team of eight. Thus there could be players better than others on the first team because there is no way to get more than one per region on a team. The best player in the eyes of the NABC coaches in the Atlantic Region always makes the first team. That just makes it seem like all-regions are equal.

Secondly, DIII News isn't exactly known to a) do much about Division III basketball throughout a season and b ) pay that close attention. It is a nice nod from them, but they don't sway us in any way shape or form (neither does the NABC for that matter).

Just pointed it out for those that read the boards.
Wow! SMH
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2018, 11:50:06 AM
I asked if you were pointing them at us. You quoted Pat which made it seem like a direct comment back like we hadn't seen them. When you quote someone back it appears you are in direct conversation, rebuttal of that person's comments.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2018, 01:18:36 PM
NABC Player of the Year is a great honor. We didn't agree with it, but that's OK. There's enough to go around.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 20, 2018, 03:32:46 PM
Apologies for my board etiquette.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on March 21, 2018, 10:01:47 AM
My personal opinion is that Monroe should have been first team All-American. D3Hoops.com does great work and I'm not throwing any ill-will here, just stating my personal opinion.

I think we have been desensitized to Mr. Monroe's huge numbers because he has been doing this for so long. He led his team to a 25-4 record in a fairly competitive conference and the Cavs were able to host the first weekend of the NCAA tourney, a privilege for only 16 of the best teams. He averaged 21.4 points and 14.7 rebounds, which was good enough for second in the country. Lets throw in the fact that he shot almost 51% from the field, averaged 3.2 assists per game and had an ast:to f 1.6, which is pretty solid for a forward who had the ball in his hands as much as Monroe did. Throw in 2 blocks and a steal a game to boot and you have an all-around game dominator. I know his FT percentage was down around 60%, but the guy isn't perfect.  ;D

I know everyone is familiar with his numbers, so thats not any news here. But in terms of fitting on a team, he is a quintessential player any coach would want to have, whether he is playing the point or center he would make a team better due to his unique skill set, size and athleticism.

I personally would have had him on my First team, but curious to why you choose the other players over him, if you are allowed to divulge that information! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 21, 2018, 12:19:28 PM

Some of it, for me anyway, is honestly a testament to what he's been able to do. He got recruited as a 6'1" guard and turned into a 6'6" guard playing center.  He's a tremendous rebounded and a good athlete, but his defense is below average and he's not performed well when he actually has to play against true post players.  If he could've been more like Aaron Walton-Moss was, a true small forward, it might've helped him.  Cabrini just had to do things with him, because of personnel, that weren't necessarily in his best interests.  Of course, basketball is a team game and he went along (and got the 5th most rebounds ever in the process).

In my book he's behind Walters because they're similar players and Walters has a more physical game.  Monroe was sick in the all-star game, but you could see the difference between the two on the court.  In January, I was considering Jaqhawn Walters for POY - he and his team fizzled out a bit, but he's a really strong contender.

I can see real pros and cons to having both Sanders and Monroe on your team.  It was close between all those guys on the first three teams and I don't think anyone could really argue too much with any order you'd put the six big guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 08, 2018, 11:12:16 AM
CSAC announced there 25th Anniversary Awards

http://csacsports.com/sports/2018/6/29/MBB_0629183940.aspx?id=1229&
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on July 08, 2018, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: mailsy on July 08, 2018, 11:12:16 AM
CSAC announced there 25th Anniversary Awards

http://csacsports.com/sports/2018/6/29/MBB_0629183940.aspx?id=1229&

They've overlooked Scranton's WBB coach Trevor Woodruff who player for Misericordia.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on July 10, 2018, 10:55:53 AM
Quote from: ronk on July 08, 2018, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: mailsy on July 08, 2018, 11:12:16 AM
CSAC announced there 25th Anniversary Awards

http://csacsports.com/sports/2018/6/29/MBB_0629183940.aspx?id=1229&

They've overlooked Scranton's WBB coach Trevor Woodruff who player for Misericordia.  ;)

That is a pretty impressive roster even without Trevor.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 11, 2018, 02:14:37 PM
It's not really a team so much as a list of names.

If you could only pick five with some semblance of a starting lineup, whom would pick?

My five would be Cory Lemons, Aaron Walton-Moss, Willie Chandler, Tyheim Monroe and Badou Gaye.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on July 11, 2018, 09:21:45 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on July 11, 2018, 02:14:37 PM
It's not really a team so much as a list of names.

If you could only pick five with some semblance of a starting lineup, whom would pick?

My five would be Cory Lemons, Aaron Walton-Moss, Willie Chandler, Tyheim Monroe and Badou Gaye.

I only saw the first 16 years worth, but Will Chandler, Badou Gaye, Damien Hunter, Rahim Washington, and Bill Carr and Antoine Harden make my short list from that ear.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 12, 2018, 01:35:32 PM
Yeah. Similarly I only saw the guys who played after 2004, except for Chandler. When I was living in Upstate NY, I drove four hours to watch him play at a holiday tournament in Williams.
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 04:16:49 PM
Here are the first rankings for the men this season: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 23, 2019, 09:42:51 PM
....In my second game of the day. I saw Rosemont take down Cairn 100-97. It was an electric night on the campus of Cairn. Much more so than Gwynedd(1 on Spring break, the other not).

Congrats to Rosemont winning their first CSAC championship!
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2019, 12:33:02 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 23, 2019, 09:42:51 PM
....In my second game of the day. I saw Rosemont take down Cairn 100-97. It was an electric night on the campus of Cairn. Much more so than Gwynedd(1 on Spring break, the other not).

Congrats to Rosemont winning their first CSAC championship!

Conflicted emotions watching Rosemont and their star player?
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 24, 2019, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 24, 2019, 12:33:02 PM
Quote from: mailsy on February 23, 2019, 09:42:51 PM
....In my second game of the day. I saw Rosemont take down Cairn 100-97. It was an electric night on the campus of Cairn. Much more so than Gwynedd(1 on Spring break, the other not).

Congrats to Rosemont winning their first CSAC championship!

Conflicted emotions watching Rosemont and their star player?

Nah. Not really. He would have helped. But....it is what it is.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2019, 05:31:08 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2020, 02:41:07 PM
The Week 3 men's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-third