BB: Pool B

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RSSmith

Quote from: MIACLUV on April 29, 2010, 04:05:46 PM
Three Pool B teams in the rankings:
Chapman (#1- West)
St. Scholastica (#3 Midwest)
St. John's Fisher (#5 New York)

Looks like a race for the 4th spot!

Staten Island (#6 New York)
A walk is never as good as a hit!

John McGraw

#376
A New York City area team hasn't made the regional as an at-large qualifier in a long time. I would probably say that the mid-90s was the last time either Staten Island or Stony Brook (when it was a D3) made it into the tournament with without an auto bid.

RSSmith

Quote from: John McGraw on April 29, 2010, 04:14:09 PM
A New York City area team hasn't made the regional as an at-large qualifier in a long time. I would probably say that the mid-90s was the last time either Staten Island or Stony Brook (when it was a D3) made it into the tournament with an auto bid.

It's been said all season that Pool B is not very deep this year.  It could be good for some teams that aren't in the hunt every year.
A walk is never as good as a hit!

CrashDavisD3

#378
Midwest Region  In-Region Record Overall Record
3. St. Scholastica 22-2 29-3

New York Region  In-Region Record Overall Record
5. St. John Fisher 20-10 21-10
6. Staten Island 24-9 26-9

South Region In-Region Record Overall Record
5. LaGrange 24-16 26-17

West Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Chapman 20-4 25-8

My mistake leaving La Grange out. Just suprised me with 16 in region losses that they would be ranked at all.
This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.  "There are three types of baseball players: those who make things happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what happened."
Crash Davis Bio - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/minors/crash0908.html

d3baseballnut

Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 29, 2010, 06:40:50 PM
Midwest Region  In-Region Record Overall Record
3. St. Scholastica 22-2 29-3

New York Region  In-Region Record Overall Record
5. St. John Fisher 20-10 21-10
6. Staten Island 24-9 26-9
 
West Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Chapman 20-4 25-8

Isn't LaGrange a Pool B as well?

Arent they in the GSAC with Piedmont/Huntington?

CrashDavisD3

Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 29, 2010, 06:40:50 PM
Midwest Region  In-Region Record Overall Record
3. St. Scholastica 22-2 29-3

New York Region  In-Region Record Overall Record
5. St. John Fisher 20-10 21-10
6. Staten Island 24-9 26-9

South Region In-Region Record Overall Record
5. LaGrange 24-16 26-17

West Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Chapman 20-4 25-8

My mistake leaving La Grange out. Just suprised me with 16 in region losses that they would be ranked at all.
This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.  "There are three types of baseball players: those who make things happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what happened."
Crash Davis Bio - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/minors/crash0908.html

Ralph Turner

Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 01, 2010, 02:17:28 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 29, 2010, 06:40:50 PM
Midwest Region  In-Region Record Overall Record
3. St. Scholastica 22-2 29-3

New York Region  In-Region Record Overall Record
5. St. John Fisher 20-10 21-10
6. Staten Island 24-9 26-9

South Region In-Region Record Overall Record
5. LaGrange 24-16 26-17

West Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Chapman 20-4 25-8
My mistake leaving La Grange out. Just suprised me with 16 in region losses that they would be ranked at all.
LaGrange is a case of the committee looking at whom they have played.

Here are their results versus regionally ranked opponents.  (2-7)
Methodist 0-2
York PA  0-1
Heidelberg 1-1
Millsaps 1-2
Wooster 0-1

They committee also considers results versus common opponents and sees that LaGrange split the series (1-1) with Birmingham-Southern (BSC) and beat the ODAC Pool A Bridgewater.

Games versus BSC count in the regional rankings and we can use them to compare  other teams.

d3baseballnut

Shouldnt that prove that they shouldnt be ranked?

I have never heard of any legitimate committee looking at tha t2-7 record and thinking:

"wow, tough schedule"

before thinking:

"wow, they can't consistently beat good teams"

Ralph Turner

Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 01, 2010, 11:00:50 AM
Shouldnt that prove that they shouldnt be ranked?

I have never heard of any legitimate committee looking at tha t2-7 record and thinking:

"wow, tough schedule"

before thinking:

"wow, they can't consistently beat good teams"
I wondered about Huntingdon instead of LaGrange, but if you are going to make the case that they should not be ranked, please, (respectfully asking) make the case for the South Region team should be.

Ralph Turner

#384
Huntingdon in-region results versus regionally ranked opponents:  (2-2)

Miss Coll     0-1
Methodist   1-0
Millsaps      1-1

HC also went 1-2 vs BSC.

HC Head-to-head vs. LaGrange: 2-2 including the GSAC tourney where HC lost to LG in the first

SOS:  HC .538 / LG .519

In-region record including the GSAC tourney: HC 21-13  LG 24-16

Ralph Turner

Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 01, 2010, 11:00:50 AM
Shouldnt that prove that they shouldnt be ranked?

I have never heard of any legitimate committee looking at tha t2-7 record and thinking:

"wow, tough schedule"

before thinking:

"wow, they can't consistently beat good teams"
The dilemma that good teams face is where do we find good opponents.

I say that the criteria should reward teams that play tough schedules.  Getting games between good teams is how you make the rankings work.

d3baseballnut

it seems the committee is rewarding LaGrange for winning the GSAC tourney over Huntington

Ralph Turner

Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 01, 2010, 05:19:14 PM
it seems the committee is rewarding LaGrange for winning the GSAC tourney over Huntington
Yes, and record versus common opponents.

Including the conference tourney as conference games. LG is 9-3 and HC is 5-7
Add in common results versus common opponents (conference + regionally ranked + regionally -non-ranked) makes that LG 20-11 and HC 17-12.

CrashDavisD3

Any predictions on the 4 Pool B teams

St. Scholastica
Chapman
??
??
This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.  "There are three types of baseball players: those who make things happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what happened."
Crash Davis Bio - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/minors/crash0908.html

Jim Dixon

Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 03, 2010, 04:25:26 PM
Any predictions on the 4 Pool B teams

St. Scholastica
Chapman
??
??

Tried to spot all the Pool B teams with .500 records.

Team                        Regional
                                       record   W%   OWP   OOWPSOS

61 St. Scholastica           25-4    .862   .548   .492   .529
33 Chapman                   23-4    .852   .562   .514   .546

336 Bethany Lutheran   24-8    .750   .424   .508   .452
344 Staten Island           28-10   .737   .416   .459   .430
126 Ithaca                   13-5     .722   .521   .567   .536
114 St. John Fisher      25-11   .694   .525   .537   .529
78 Huntingdon                   20-11   .645   .541   .522   .535

354 Mitchell                   14-9    .609   .393   .443   .410
175 Menlo                   16-12   .571   .507   .500   .505
108 Case Western       22-17   .564   .526   .522   .525
221 Chicago                  13-11   .542   .493   .504   .497
174 St. Joseph's (L.I.)   17-15   .531   .507   .497   .504

St. Scholastica, Chapman are locks.

Bethany Lutheran, Staten Island, Ithaca, St. John Fisher, Huntingdon are in the hunt for two slots