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Title: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 17, 2005, 02:27:01 AM
HPU had only one player first-team all-conference so I think that bears out alright.
Title: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 17, 2005, 09:20:59 AM
one and done..sounds about like HSU's performance on their home floor in the conference tournament right?
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Post by: jmnaseum on March 17, 2005, 09:49:31 AM
Thanks Pat, the SID's vote for all region.
I wonder how many of them actually watch the games and know what makes the team "tick" or are they interested in just stats?  Martinez is good but the question must arise why did UMHB finish a distant 5th in the West?
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Post by: Inthepaint on March 17, 2005, 10:11:52 AM
Right, DBalla!
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Post by: cover2 on March 17, 2005, 12:42:00 PM
I wouldn't call 1 game out of a playoff spot a "distant 5th finish"
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Post by: jmnaseum on March 18, 2005, 02:06:12 PM
You are right Cover2.  They were actually just one game away from going to the tournament.  I just meant it had to be somewhat of a disapointing season for UMHB because of them returning 4 starters, having 9 letterwinners back and being predicted to finish third in the conference.  
I guess that shows how deep the West really was!
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Post by: Beau Tye on March 18, 2005, 10:19:38 PM
DBalla/Post 395,

One and done?  Just for the record...after HSU Cowgirls won the ASC-W with the best record and hosted the tournament, they won 104-50 over ETBU, in the first game, so they were "two and out"...after losing to McM!  :-)
(Not "one and out.")

Congrats to RMC...good win today over Scranton!
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Post by: dballa on March 18, 2005, 10:41:21 PM
well considering ETBU shouldn't have even been in the tourney(only there because UT Tyler was ineligible)...that win hardly counts as anything :-) But you're right..they did win it..
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Post by: mcmfan on March 19, 2005, 06:44:54 PM
It was, however, a Pyrhic victory, since one of the HSU starters was injured in the first minute of the game and was unable to play against us the following night.  I don't know who that was, but the outcome could have been different if she had been there on the HSU lineup.
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Post by: Inthepaint on March 19, 2005, 11:13:29 PM
I should have gone to McM.  I have no idea what a "Pyrhic" is!
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Post by: mcmfan on March 19, 2005, 11:45:03 PM
Oops, that's because I misspelled it!  It should be "Pyrrhic", not "Pyrhic"...
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Post by: Inthepaint on March 20, 2005, 09:05:04 AM
I wish the spelling was the reason that I have no idea what it means!  Oooohhhhh!  Should have gone to McM!
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Post by: fanstand on March 21, 2005, 01:14:02 AM
Recruiting, recruiting, recruiting..that's what next year will be about. Who returns to their respective teams, who doesn't. Summer workouts, lots to do between now and October. And we are talking about girls, only two things can mess them up, boys and drugs, and at least they have rehab for drugs. Six months away till season starts again, lots to do, lots can happen. Happy offseason everyone, keep the info coming.
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Post by: BedtimeForBonzo on March 21, 2005, 05:10:20 PM
Concordia's Ashley Edwards was the only ASC athlete named to D3hoops.com's Women's All-America team today.  The senior was named to the third team.

(Message edited by bedtimeforbonzo on March 21, 2005)
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Post by: Inthepaint on March 21, 2005, 08:37:01 PM
Congratulations Ashley!  Glad to see representation from the ASC!
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Post by: BedtimeForBonzo on March 24, 2005, 02:36:32 PM
There were also two ASC representatives on the WBCA/Kodak All-America team named late last week:

Diana Martinez - HSU
Lisa Martinez - UMHB

Both were among 30 players awarded honorable mention honors.  The WBCA only awards first team (10 selectees) and honorable mention honors.

Congratulations to both!
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Post by: Inthepaint on March 24, 2005, 10:58:31 PM
Yes, congratulations to both!  A great way to end terrific careers!
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Post by: Inthepaint on April 05, 2005, 11:05:20 PM
While we did not have a Texas D-3 team going very far in the national tournament, it was sure great to see the Lady Bears win the national title this evening!
Title: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lewis on April 08, 2005, 10:15:03 AM
FYI-The NRCCUA ranked all college websites(Over 3000) in the US and 2 Texas schools made the top 100. HPU 89 and Trinity 100.
Here is the list of the top 100.
http://www.nrccua.com/educator/services/epi/top100.asp
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Post by: Larry Fanning on April 14, 2005, 04:57:21 PM
I know it isn't in TEXAS but it is ASC--LC was rated at 45 in the poll.
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Post by: Larry Fanning on April 14, 2005, 05:02:20 PM
I know all you thought I died.  I did, at least my computer did.  I found myself in an airport trying to get online,  I paid several dollars to find out that HSU had beat McM the day after.

Late congrates to HPU on winning the title.
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Post by: Inthepaint on April 15, 2005, 08:21:11 AM
My, Larry, you have been out of the loop for a good, long while.  Good to see your presence here, albeit a month late!
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Post by: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2005, 03:57:16 PM
Schreiner has hired a new coach, and it wasn't Leigh Ann Owens, the former star player and interim Schreiner women's coach who led the Lady Mountaineers to the win that broke the streak.  Click for the story in Notables.

Good luck to Leigh Ann!:-)  May God bless your path!
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Post by: lewis on April 22, 2005, 10:08:20 AM
Bradi Gardner, ranked 52nd on TexasHoops.com's 2005 Top 100 Girls list, called Howard Payne on Monday to inform coach Chris Kielsmeier of her decision to become a member of the Lady Jackets' up-and-coming program next fall.
texashoops 2005 Top 100 Girls http://texashoops.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=948&CID=345688
Title: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Inthepaint on April 23, 2005, 01:40:06 PM
That's good news for the Jackets.
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Post by: titlewave on June 01, 2005, 09:31:26 AM
how did the girl from LC get awards for the east....she's not that good
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Post by: Ralph Turner on June 21, 2005, 08:32:57 PM
Congratulations to McM Coach Sam Nichols on his appointment to the WBCA Board of Directors.
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Post by: cover2 on June 23, 2005, 02:51:55 PM
UMHB's coach Margie Williamson resigned yesterday.  She is going to complete her Doctoral degree at Texas Women's University.  Link to the Temple Telegram:
http://www.temple-telegram.com/sports.php
Title: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on June 24, 2005, 11:51:11 PM
With Trinity and UMHB coaches leaving could really affect those schools programs, I think UMHB will have a tough year even with their returners. It will be hard to adjust to a new coach. Lots of changes in the ASC. The graduation of some, I think the teams in the Abilene, Brownwood connection will have advantages. With the graduation of Ashley Edwards in Concordia,Diana at HSU, and coaching changes at UMHB, it could be a very interesting year in the ASC.  When Sul Ross lost April Martinez they have yet to recover, I think McM and HPU will be strong and HSU will be....well HSU, It may be the heat of summer, but in the fall things will really heat up.  Won;t be long and the season will be upon us, looking forward to seeing whose back, and in what condition..............
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Post by: jmnaseum on June 28, 2005, 10:26:03 AM
Well said fanstand.  I think the player from Sul Ross was April Ramirez.
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Post by: fanstand on June 28, 2005, 09:42:14 PM
Oh my gosh, what a dork I am. I knew that, just got all my names confused. Yes, April Ramirez, she was a play maker, but I know players like her don't come along that often and rarely do you get more than one on a team.  Has any one heard who will be replacing UMHB or Trinity coach?
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Post by: BedtimeForBonzo on June 29, 2005, 03:45:02 PM
Geez, fanstand, TU's Geyer just resigned last Thursday.  I don't expect to see anything for at least a few weeks, maybe longer.

(Message edited by BedtimeforBonzo on June 29, 2005)
Title: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on July 22, 2005, 11:40:24 AM
So how is the recruiting trail going? I know HPU has some really good incoming freshman that will make an immediate impact.  Should be a fun year this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on August 17, 2005, 11:16:00 AM
Hey How about this new Posting Site!!!! I like! Go Jackets!!!  ;D
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Post by: inthepaint on August 19, 2005, 12:03:06 AM
It's going to take a little time to get used to the new format.  Fortunately, as a graduate of one of our Texas Baptist universities 8), I am a quick learner.
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Post by: dsc on August 19, 2005, 12:45:57 AM
This is a test!
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Post by: baddog on August 20, 2005, 09:28:18 PM
Someone told me that S. West had transferred to HSU from McM. Any truth that she took a few summer school classes at HSU? And will she play?
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Post by: jmnaseum on August 23, 2005, 09:07:57 AM
Sonya got tired of Sam,  No way ;)
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Post by: millie on August 24, 2005, 09:08:30 AM
FYI 
Lacy Palomarez will be back at Mississippi College this year
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Post by: fanstand on August 24, 2005, 04:01:05 PM
The new posting board is almost beyond my technology challenged self.  Hearing some buzz around about new recruits and the shape of the returners.....I save my comments and predictions for after real practices start, and team rosters are formed.  Rumors are many, until I see a name on an official roster and a butt on the court, I wouldn't begin to try and figure out who's in and who's out!  this season will be fun as is every season. Only a couple months away ....... ARE YOU READY????
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Post by: baddog on August 24, 2005, 08:12:10 PM
jmnaseum -- Was that a question or a statement? Has she transferred or not? Will she play for HSU? For McM? For the Globetrotters?
And, if so, it is of no real interest as to why. OK, yes, maybe a little morbid curiosity -- but it is her business and I can leave it at that.
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Post by: jmnaseum on August 26, 2005, 03:29:20 PM
baddog -- just a tongue in cheek comment ( I even included a winky smiley face)

Pre-Season predictions

UMHB
McM
HPU
HSU

The other four can finish in any order
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on August 26, 2005, 04:40:54 PM
HPU won't finish 3rd not even overall in the conference:

HPU
UMHB
HSU
McM
TLU
CUA
SRS
SU
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Post by: baddog on August 26, 2005, 07:10:33 PM
jmnaseum --Yep. Saw the wink. Didn't know why you meant even by that. Glad you weren't flirting. :P

Anyone -- Any confirmation about West at HSU?
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Post by: dballa on August 26, 2005, 09:55:50 PM
if the HSU website is up to date as far as the players for HSU...it's not true because she's not on there.
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Post by: baddog on August 27, 2005, 04:04:45 PM
Thanks, but as far as I can tell it only has returners listed.
Example -- I met the parents of a freshman woman bball player (from Highland -- a suburb of Roscoe) in the store where I workand her name is not listed either.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on September 03, 2005, 12:47:05 AM
I have also heard that West went to HSU, but we'll see, no one is ever guaranteed spots till after preseason gets going good. I hear Coach Briggs works em pretty hard. Sonya has sat out a year, you have to REALLY want to play, I think, to get back in shape.  I bet rosters won't be out for another month. Right now conditioning and seeing the new players in action is happening. Anything can happen. 
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Post by: jmnaseum on September 06, 2005, 10:32:39 AM
I wonder how the UMHB, Schreiner, UT Dallas,  Le Tourneau teams are looking with the new coaches?  (thats alot of new faces -- retention is as hard for the coaches as it is for the players!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on September 07, 2005, 10:56:12 PM
I heard Wurzbach not coming back to UMHB only one of the really tall posts is back, and thank goodness Lisa Martinez is a senior.  Think the new coach really has her work cut out for her. I think she will have a hard time controlling Martinez.   She loves to "whine" and dine officials. Surely Schreiner will have some wins, I predicted they would last year, and I bet they have more than one this year. The coach will be the difference there. Haven't heard anything about Concordia or TLU recruits. Saving my predictions until it gets closer to season starting, will watch some scrimmages and first couple games maybe before saying whom I think will be the best in the west.
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Post by: Rob Don on September 19, 2005, 04:56:52 PM
Had to get on here and test out the new "setup".  Pretty Nice I think.

:) :) Lets Go Jackets!!! :D :D
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Post by: dsc on September 19, 2005, 08:15:59 PM

FYI...

Just in case any one has not confirmed the rumor.

West is listed on the HSU 2005-6 roster!
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Post by: dballa on September 19, 2005, 09:43:14 PM
Noticed that earlier, should be interesting to see how she does after sitting out a year.  I know she won't enjoy visiting Brownwood, no HSU players ever do :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on September 20, 2005, 08:38:39 AM
Heck, nobody in the world likes going to Brownwood! ;D
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Post by: mcmfan on September 21, 2005, 01:06:47 PM
Hey, Brownwood does have Underwood's!
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Post by: inthepaint on September 22, 2005, 03:37:09 PM
 :-\ And Underwoods would be a reason for or against going to Brownwood?
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Post by: baddog on September 22, 2005, 09:35:15 PM
 :o Underwoods?  I have heard many of the people who work there  say, as the old HPU chant goes, (just before they lose to HSU), "Over-rated."
That place would trail Joe Allen's, Harlow's, Turnerhills, Betty Rose's, and Harold's! Not even closely.
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Post by: dballa on September 22, 2005, 10:06:27 PM
I haven't heard a lot of over rated chants going on at HPU before they LOSE to HSU...I've heard a lot of them go on while they are blowing HSU out in Brownwood...but being from Brownwood...Underwoods is really good food..but there are other restaurants worth eating at too...and everybody has their tastes...some of the ones you named...probably wouldn't be on the map with other restaurants either.
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Post by: Rob Don on September 23, 2005, 02:53:29 PM
Awe!  The "over-rated" chant.  How I love it!
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Post by: Ralph Turner on October 05, 2005, 09:09:40 AM
Midnight Madness at McMurry

Nine days, fifteen hours and 51 minutes and counting! 8)
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Post by: inthepaint on October 08, 2005, 11:23:08 PM
Ralph!  I was wondering what happened to you.  Good to see your first post of the new ASC season! :D
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Post by: dballa on October 14, 2005, 04:39:24 PM
This may be really old news but did i read it right that Tara Rohde is going to be an assistant coach at Concordia?  With her experience and talent she'll definitely help out with their post players.
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Post by: Ralph Turner on October 16, 2005, 07:46:54 AM
Midnight Madness at McMurry was a great success!  Lots of students, faculty and alums were present!

The Lady Indians did not practice, but will open their practices on Monday, if I heard correctly (19 week thing!). Coach Nichols pulled some great talent this year.  They seem to be even stronger than last year!
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Post by: fanstand on October 16, 2005, 11:44:36 PM
The preseason poll picks should come out this week, if I am not mistaken.  Wonder who will be at the top of the list? Top three teams should cover a 90 mile stretch. It will be interesting to see what order they place them in.  I've got my picks about ready.  Would like to catch a couple of scrimmages before making predictions.  I am ready for basketball games...........to begin..................
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Post by: Phife on October 20, 2005, 07:17:38 PM
HSU is my pick for the top team in the ASC.
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Post by: fanstand on October 20, 2005, 08:02:14 PM
I don't think HSU gets 1st pick in polls this year, losing Diana and losing twice to McM, I think that HPU will get the rank of #1 in the preseason polls, they have the target on their backs this year. I think McM and HSU get second and third, depends on which poll and who is voting. Mary Hardin Baylor gets 4th, but Lisa Martinez will be picked preseason player of the year, because of her numbers from the past 3 years.  I'm not saying I agree with the polls (if they even come out that way), but polls don't really matter, they just make the underdog want to play harder. Anybody else have an opinion?
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Post by: dballa on October 20, 2005, 08:48:16 PM
Your picks are probably right on.  Should be an interesting race this year but HPU should have an inside track on everybody.  They have a lot of talent, experience and some new players that will have big roles this year.  If McMurry got some outside shooting they should be tough this year, and you never can count out HSU.  I don't know how well UMHB will do this year, depends on if they got some guard play as well.  Martinez may be preseason player of the year but my vote is for Daniels for HPU.  She was a major impact player off the bench last year and on just about every other team in this conference would have been a starter. 

GO LADY JACKETS!!   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 21, 2005, 04:43:54 AM
this evening i got word that preseason polls for the ASC should be released Wed Oct 26th.  They would probably have done it sooner but some people were late turning in their ballots.  So we should get a look at where teams are ranked really soon
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2005, 08:51:42 AM
dballa, thanks for the word onthe pre-season poll.  I agree with your assessment.  McM and Coach Nichols brought in some good talent this year.  It should be interesting.
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Post by: jmnaseum on October 23, 2005, 11:31:24 AM
dballa-- wasn't Martinez for HSU a senior lst year?
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Post by: dballa on October 23, 2005, 11:57:49 AM
Hey jmnaseum sorry should have made that a little more clear.  I meant Lisa Martinez from UMHB. 
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Post by: jmnaseum on October 24, 2005, 09:04:07 AM
Both of the girls can play!
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Post by: dballa on October 26, 2005, 02:36:52 PM
Well there you have it the rankings for this year.  In the West there's no real surprises as to who the top 4 are but there can be questions as far as where they should be ranked within that top 4. 

ASC EAST DIVISION
Rank Team (first place votes) Points
1. Texas-Tyler (9) 150
2. Mississippi College (10) 149
3. Austin College (2) 118
4. Louisiana College 104
5. East Texas Baptist 92
6. Texas-Dallas 61
7. Univ. of the Ozarks 56
8. LeTourneau 23
ASC East Preseason Player of the Year:
Shamonica Shead, G, Jr., Texas at Tyler

ASC WEST DIVISION
Rank Team (first place votes) Points
1. Hardin-Simmons (8 ) 122
2. Howard Payne (5) 116
3. McMurry (3) 109
4. Mary Hardin-Baylor 86
5. Concordia-Austin (1) 69
6. Texas Lutheran 56
7. Sul Ross State 33
8. Schreiner 21
ASC West Preseason Player of the Year:
Lisa Martinez, F, Sr., Mary Hardin-Baylor
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on October 26, 2005, 10:26:20 PM
Well I am surprised. Disappointed, but polls don't really always tell the story. I really expected HPU to be at #1, but I shouldn't be too shocked that HSU gets that spot, I don't think that's where it'll be at the end of the season. I at least got the top three teams right and the POY, don't know if I agree with that either, but her numbers and her role on the team for the last three years does give her the edge over Meia Daniels at HPU.  Meia did a good job, but only a freshman, and Tarra Richardson put up some impressive numbers as a freshman at McM, so I think the upper classman has the "seniority". Had McM beat HPU in the tourney, Tarra might have been freshman of the year.  Didn't I hear MC player is coming back? Lacey Pallmorez? She was really good if I remember right. Thought she might be POY in the East.  Just a couple of more weeks and we will actually see some action.
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Post by: dballa on October 26, 2005, 10:43:27 PM
I hear you, i figured with how well HPU played in the conference tourney and with the players they have coming back they would be #1 as well.  HSU has a few good players coming back but none that are dominating like they've had in the past.  You're right about Daniels and Richardson not getting the vote because of age, but they definitely will be battling it out the next few yrs.

I really don't know much about the East but hopefully we'll have a lot of the East side followers reporting in.  HPU has a couple scrimmages coming up, one against TSU, so we'll see how the new players are fitting in with the program.

Should be a very exciting year and just might go down to the final games of the year.
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Post by: inthepaint on October 27, 2005, 01:12:38 PM
Those poll rankings provide a little preseason fuel for the fires that will rage throughout the season.
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Post by: Rob Don on October 27, 2005, 10:30:19 PM
I am a little shocked that HSU was placed at #1.  They have been the best in past years; but still?  I'd expect their inability to make it to the conference finals game to be a valid strike against their "superiority".  But they didn't ask me!  :)

Go Howard Payne!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: calhsu on October 28, 2005, 01:22:12 PM
There is no question that HSU was rated #1 because of past history.  And of course it means nothing.  I have no idea what this team is going to be like.  The addition of West is not going to hurt them unless she disrupts team chemistry.   I am curious with the large group of freshmen on the roster if there is a quality player in the bunch.  When the Cowgirls have been dominant they have had a go to person.  I didn't see them having that last year. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 03, 2005, 08:59:15 PM
Just got back from the HPU scrimmage against Dallas Christian.  Our ladies are looking quicker and more aggressive on defense than they ever have.  Their match up zone is looking good.  There will be a lot of teams shooting under 20% this year.  Offense is looking good but still needs a lot of work.  HPU will definitely be a lot deeper this year than in past years.  Should be a fun year to watch. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 05, 2005, 01:29:58 AM
Congratulations to Tara Richardson on the Pre-season 3rd team All-American Team selection!

Lisa Hernandez Martinez earned a 4th team bid!

Thanks for catching that, cover2! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on November 08, 2005, 12:47:04 PM
Ralph:  I think you mean Lisa Martinez!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 08, 2005, 10:31:12 PM
It seems to me HSU has a good line up, though I suspect how it works out depends on how all the players jell together.  Sonya West was a star on our McM team two years ago, and Magna Green looked really good on the HSU team when she started two years ago (I think she was injured last year because I don't remember her playing).  These two could well make up for the loss of Diana Martinez.  Of course, I'm hoping we at McM have a better line up, but only time will tell.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on November 09, 2005, 07:15:54 AM
mcmfan -- You are correct. Only time (the season, playing, etc.) will tell. Preseason is for dreaming. The season is for reality.
Magna injured her knee early in the season last year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 09, 2005, 05:26:49 PM
Defintely was suprised by the All-American picks with Lisa Martinez who is preseason ASC All-Conference player of the year and only getting a fourth team nod and Tara Richardson getting a third team nod just seems a little fishy someone might have stuffed the ballot. I do think Tara Richardson has the potential, but isn't on the same level as Martinez.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2005, 12:30:55 PM
That's an interesting theory, but since the two play different positions, they were never up against each other for positioning. They were compared against other players at the same spot.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 13, 2005, 01:05:38 AM
I didn't know that was the way it (preseason all-american) was selected, my apologies for the theory, but since we are on the subject, Mr. Coleman, who is the better player between the two?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 13, 2005, 03:13:41 PM
I don't think you can compare the two because they are different players.  I think it depends on who brings more to their team and for what reason. Lisa Martinez (IMO) is a vocal player who demands alot on the floor. She is very much someone who can shoot but is very emotional and sometimes I think is a little too demonstrative. Tarra is very quiet, who gets her job done. She has makes her shots under the bucket and gets rebounds.  She is an excellent shot blocker.  I think it makes a difference also in the "team" and chemistry of the team. Lisa has always had the big girls that UMHB gets the ball into, Tarra has Symbri, probably the best point guard in the ASC. So thats like comparing apples and oranges, both are good just a little different. Even though you didn't ask my opinion. I'll go with Tarra and her surrounding cast.  She is awesome and I bet she has a really good year this year along with the rest of the Lady Indians. Can't wait till Friday and we see some numbers on some of the teams.........it's finally here!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LC-DBO on November 13, 2005, 09:41:16 PM
LC opens up tomorrow night against Northwestern State University in an exhibition game.  It is LC's first chance on the floor against a D-I team and their season opener.  LC looked good against LSU-E in their scrimmage last week.  Hope they have an even better season this year than they did last year.  They have 4 players with knee injuries. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: andrehicks on November 15, 2005, 08:18:58 PM
MHBU STILLS HAS LIFE, WITH A NEW COACH. 7 RETURNING UNDER CLASSWOMEN
A NEW FRESHMEN POST PLAYER AND TOP HOUSTON PLAYER DON'T COUNT THEM OUT
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 15, 2005, 09:26:46 PM
In this conference you can never count any one out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 16, 2005, 11:51:19 PM
Fanstand---what universe are you from?  I could list at least five teams that can not compete for the championship.  For sure there is no clear favorite but it is a joke to say the bottom dwellers of the conference are somehow now goint to beat the top tier teams.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 17, 2005, 01:53:46 AM
Excuse me.....calhsu, let me make myself a little clearer. In this conference you better not count any one out. I didn't say they could win the championship, but on any given day anyone can be beaten by ANYONE. You better bring your "A" game everytime. I probably see 3 basketball games a week (yes, I have a life), I just happen to enjoy basketball season. I have followed this conference closely for 6 years and games aren't always won by the ones who are suppose to win. Ask your football team! Teams let their guard down on games they think are easy, sometimes they recover, sometimes they don't, sometimes they look ahead and get beat by someone they shouldn't.  There is talent on every team and you better be ready is all I am saying.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 17, 2005, 11:48:26 AM
Just had to get the football comment in didn't you.   Well that proves my point.  In the last ten years how many times has HSU football been beat by anyone in the lower tier of the conference.  It has not happened.  The loss to TLU is as close as it comes to that, and TLU is the middle of the pack not a bottom group.   And by the way I never made any personal comments concerning you in the post.  My comments are about saying that teams that are year in and year out bad don't beat the top teams.  Over a period of years they can build the program and after a couple of years winning the big games is possible. 
I do not doubt you know the players more than I do.  Being in California I haven't made a HSU basketball game in thirty years.  But for at least the last ten years I have known about every game in the conference on the day of its being played,  when the Cowgirls are on radio I listen.  Not once have they ever lost to a team that is not at least in the top four of the conference.     Facts I do know and the wins and losses are not in question.   
Of course they do have to play the game.  And on a given night with bad officials,  injuries,  poor shooting an upset could happen.  HSU,  HPU,  MHB,  McMurry can beat each other at any time.  But I can tell you right now Sul Ross is not going to beat HSU this year.  They could have  a better team this year and play a good game with them.  But it would take at least two years before they could make that kind of step. 
HSU football and women's basketball lose more game than they did five years ago.  I don't think they are worst than they use to be,  other teams have improved their programs. 
I have no idea if the Cowgirls have championship quality yet.   But they are not going to drop to the bottom in one year.  Anymore than losing teams are going to the top in one year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 17, 2005, 06:31:53 PM
You asked me what universe I was from? I took that personal, that implied I might be out of touch (alienated?) I was just trying to clarify what I meant by not counting teams out in this conference.  Who would of thought that last year HPU women would lose to TLU in their final game and the tourney came to Abilene. I wasn't calling the football team losers, I think they were looking ahead to the playoffs, sure it was a good game, you know stuff happens, you just can't let your guard down ever..........
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 17, 2005, 09:20:25 PM
point taken....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 17, 2005, 09:34:26 PM
"Anymore than losing teams are going to the top in one year."

Are you sure?  It seems to me HSU volleyball was run over by everyone last year, and this year they made the ASC tournament!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 17, 2005, 09:56:19 PM
That team is exactly what I am speaking about.
2002 the volleyball team couldn't beat anyone.  The fact is in 2003 and 2004 they had records of 8-18 and 9-17 (technically a losing team but not a bottom team.) then this year they win west.  In a year or two they might be ready for the NCAA big dance.  But it was a  process of more than one season.  In other words they didn't  go from last to first in one season.   

I know that happens  in professional sports often.  Sometimes even in high  school.   

This horse has been beaten to death.

On a real basketball note,the trimmed down roster for HSU is now complete with new pictures of all the ladies.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on November 18, 2005, 01:05:45 AM
Such heated conversation!!! I Like it!!!  :)

But lets not get too carried away...

"But I can tell you right now Sul Ross is not going to beat HSU this year." (calhsu)

Now I completely agree that HSU is much better than Sul Ross.  The chances of taking a lost to Sul Ross is very small.  But lets not start making promises!!!  Have you ever been to Sul Ross???  That's like WAY west Texas!  And everybody knows that the trip there always takes a toll on players.  Lots of teams have trouble playing there..even HSU. 

Who had a comfortable win at home vs Sul Ross (82-50 last season) but when going to Sul Ross won 70-65.  I would have to say that that game was very much a win-able game for either team.  But hey... what do i know?

GO HOWARD PAYNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on November 18, 2005, 07:36:32 AM
fanstand -- calhsu's point (I think) was that, even though "on any given day . . .", it is rare when a lower echelon team is going to seriously challenge a top 1 or 2 team in the league for a win.
Using your football example ( and, come on, sure you intended the cheap shot):
UMHB was beaten by HPU (not the champs, but certainly not on the level of AC or MC)
HSU was beaten by TLU (again, not the champs, but not of the lower echelon and, arguably, they were not performing up to their expected level of play until the last game of the season).
If you are a gambler, that is the way to bet. Will you lose every now and then? Sure. But in the long run you'll make money.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 18, 2005, 11:03:06 AM
Thanks for making the point I was trying to make. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 18, 2005, 05:54:11 PM
I agree with most of what was said and those points are also well taken.  It was not a cheap shot though. It is unfair that because I support a certain team you think comments on others are spiteful, I have supported other teams in this conference and have attended lots of games and supported HSU, MCM, HPU in more than just basketball and football. There are many intangibles in the game of baskeball, home court advantage, homer officials, and I say the underdog is a dangerous foe. I was just trying to stir things up till the season started. Mission accomplished!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on November 18, 2005, 07:20:46 PM
i agree with you fanstand, and thanks for the stir! makes things more interesting.  :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 18, 2005, 09:46:32 PM
HPU defeated Clarkson 65-50 tonight in the Hunter College tournament.

They will play against Hunter in the final tomorrow who beat Mt St Vincent
64-45.

Looks like it might be a good final.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 18, 2005, 10:11:34 PM
Ralph looks like your McMurry women started it off right tonight.

They beat Southwestern 84-50
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on November 18, 2005, 10:25:25 PM
Way to go JACKETS!!!  Good job girls!  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 18, 2005, 10:31:48 PM
a few stats from HPU's game, didn't have the full box score yet.

HPU scoring:  Hoertz 13 Blalock 13 Daniels 12 and Hoffman 10 leading scorers

HPU shot 50% from 3 point land and out rebounded Clarkson 38-26.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2005, 10:47:19 PM
Thanks, dballa!  I haven't seen the box score, but haven't both McMurry and HPU handle the Lady Pirates with regularity over the last few season?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on November 19, 2005, 12:13:51 AM
thanks for all the info Dballa.  i reckon we wont have a box score till tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 19, 2005, 12:59:03 AM
Ralph you are right McMurry and HPU have both beaten them pretty easily...It will be interesting to see how HPU does against Hunter College in the final.  They have a lot of tradition there and should make for an interesting game. 

I noticed Trinity already got beat so it definitely does look like they are down a little bit this year. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 19, 2005, 04:16:43 AM
ETBU Ladies beat Jarvis by about 30.   90 Something to 60 something.  Sorry I dont have more.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 19, 2005, 11:47:26 AM
An interesting article in today's Abilene Reporter News on the HSU women's team at
http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_basketball/article/0,1874,ABIL_7991_4251758,00.html
Like most ARN articles, though, it should be taken with a grain of salt.  It describes McM stopping HSU in the conference tournament last year and then says McM was dealt a "crushing blow" in the off season with the transfer of Sonya West to HSU.  The implication is that Sonya was the key to that win, when, in fact, she wasn't even playing for McM last year.  And even though she's described as the only senior on the HSU team this year, just a few lines further down her fellow teammate Henley is described as a "6-foot senior center" (Henley is, in fact, a junior, so the article got it right the first time).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2005, 12:13:24 PM
McMfan, you are right about the improvement by the Lady Indians from 16-9 in 2003-04 with Sonya West to 19-9 and a trip to the ASC Tourney finals for the 19-9 2004-05 version.

McMurry was also able to defeat HSU twice last season after going winless against the Cowgirls since 2000.

Coach Nichols has done a great job of recruiting to fill the void of Sonya's leaving.  I wish Sonya well, but it looks like McMurry is stronger since since left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 19, 2005, 01:11:24 PM
I saw most of the McM-Southwestern game, but left 9 minutes before the end to go to a student music recital.  McM was holding a margin of around 20 at that point.  Tarra Richardson, the main scorer, was a bit flat at the start, but the team scored anyway from the other players until she got into her stride.  There appeared to be a nice spread of talent, not a team based on just one superstar.  There are some good new faces.  Of course, since Southwestern plays HSU tonight, I'm sure there will be comparisons of both teams (McM, HSU) up here tomorrow based on how both teams performed against a common opponent.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 19, 2005, 05:47:19 PM
This is in the form of a question and I am not suggesting anything from the question. 
Ralph you stated that MCM seems to have recurited well enough to more than replace the loss of S. West.  The results of last year of course bear that out.
My question is, is MCM glad she is gone and was she bad element on the squad.  I have no reason to ask that, just wondering. 
Finally,  would MCM be better this year if she was finishing with them instead of HSU.
I'm sure others will have opinions concerning this.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 19, 2005, 06:04:12 PM
HPU defeated Hunter College 88-62 in the final of the Hunter College tournament.  Great win for the Lady Jackets.  Don't have the numbers yet but by that score the offensive numbers were very good.  Can't wait to see them play in conference play.

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 19, 2005, 07:39:40 PM
I am watching the HSU game on the gametracker.
Sonya is showing that she is back.  14 points in the beginning of the second half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 19, 2005, 08:12:28 PM
2:00 left in the game HSU 66 SW 62 according to the gametracker.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 19, 2005, 08:24:59 PM
looks like a final HSU 74 SW 69  not quite the blowout McMurry enjoyed the night before.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 19, 2005, 08:27:28 PM
HSU played a terrible second half.  Lots of turnovers.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 19, 2005, 08:32:59 PM
West had 16 points and more important 15 rebounds.

Well I don't know if the Indians needed her but it seems that the Cowgirls certainly did.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 19, 2005, 08:35:28 PM
Can anyone explain why my post number has been stuck at 62 for a long time?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2005, 08:47:00 PM
Calhsu, I honestly could not give you an answer on the "Chemistry" question.  I do know that Sonya West's departure definitely left a big opening on the team, and Coach Nichols had plenty of minutes that he could offer to new recruits.

I anticipate that Sonya West can almost average double-doubles this year.  I just want the ASC to make the Final Four!

Of course, Southwestern had the chance to get the first game jitters out of their system.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 19, 2005, 09:33:50 PM
Ralph I was hoping this was  "first game gitters."

I hope you remember me from last year.  When the change in the website came I went from my name to CalHSU.  I'm still Larry.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on November 19, 2005, 11:18:03 PM
Great Job Howard Payne!!!!  Nice start for your season!  26 piece er der der der!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 20, 2005, 02:22:06 AM
I was able to catch both games this weekend. I must choose my words carefully, as  not to sound completely prejudicial. I am trying to make sure I give a fair assesment to both teams. McM looks pretty dang good. They finished strong, they played everybody, and looked like they were enjoying the game and saw flashes of really, really good stuff. HSU started off strong, causing turnovers, and taking a commanding lead. After the first half they slowed down and SW really adjusted well. Starters played most of the game, several players didn't even get on the floor. HSU got frustrated and tired and did not finish strong. I don't think they were very happy with their performance. West and Henley got the ball alot tonite inside and made good shots, but SW didn't post up well. The season in only beginning and there is room for improvements. Sounds like HPU had quite the shooting night, so I think the target is still on their backs. The stretch between Abilene and Bwood will be hot on nights they play each other. Don't know, could be very interesting!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 20, 2005, 11:11:25 PM
fanstand,  your read on the game sounds "fair and balanced"   
Seasons are not made in the first weekend.  They are made by the adjustments from what you learn from the first weekend.  No adjustments---no victories.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2005, 01:47:12 AM
Quote from: calhsu on November 19, 2005, 08:35:28 PM
Can anyone explain why my post number has been stuck at 62 for a long time?

It isn't stuck. Read again.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 21, 2005, 11:41:03 AM
I'm sorry I just figured  how it works.

Sorry the only computers we had when I was in college were for punch hole cards.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: whitebutterflies on November 21, 2005, 08:30:12 PM
News flash

Lisa Martinez doesnt play for UMHB anymore.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 21, 2005, 09:06:57 PM
Really? Since when? That's a pretty bold announcement whitebutterflies, did she transfer or what. Last I saw she was on the roster........
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2005, 11:28:17 PM
Lisa Martinez is the feature story on the UMHB web site!

http://www.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/lcbasketball/default.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 21, 2005, 11:40:13 PM
That article is 17 days old.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 22, 2005, 05:39:41 PM
She is not listed on the UMHB roster at http://www.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/lcbasketball/roster.htm.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 22, 2005, 07:54:40 PM
Sometime today the roster changed and Lisa Martinez and Latrice Hutchins the only two seniors are no longer on the UMHB roster.  I don't know what happened, we could speculate on a lot of things. For two to leave the program, I suspect a difference in coaching philosphy. Maybe someone with some knowledge will let us know, maybe we'll never know. Thats a tough break for UMHB.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 22, 2005, 08:03:10 PM
Read where Schreiner beat TLU in overtime. What say you calhsu? I'm telling you, better watch those "lower" half teams they have a way of sneaking up on you. Schreiner 2-0 for the last two games! They scored 97 points, its still early in the season, but most teams just get stronger.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 22, 2005, 11:59:21 PM
ETBU beat LSUS tonight at home.  I think the final was 80-65 or something like that.  Lady Tigers put 6 players in double figures.  Very good things from the Ladies so far this season.  2-0


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 23, 2005, 12:17:23 PM
Please,  beating TLU is not beating a upper team.  It is how a bottom team starts bringing itself up.  When they beat HSU, HPU, MCM,  then tell me I was wrong.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on November 23, 2005, 06:52:57 PM
How about the two UMHB seniors quitting, anyone hear anything yet?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 23, 2005, 08:57:59 PM
So if they quit before their season started do you give the preseason honors to someone else?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 26, 2005, 04:07:15 PM
Any scores yet today?? 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 26, 2005, 04:52:23 PM
HSU 59 UTTyler 54...anybody have anything else at all?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 26, 2005, 05:53:54 PM
CUA 49 AC 48

Ozarks 75 UMHB 69
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 26, 2005, 06:51:43 PM
HPU 65 LC 55
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 26, 2005, 07:53:54 PM
McMurry by 20 over UT-D.  I missed the Women's game due to family gatherings...Thanksgiving! ;D

Reports were that they Lady Indians played well!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 26, 2005, 08:48:32 PM
The McM-UTD game was pretty close in the first half; McM pulled ahead in the second.  We need to work on our 3-point shots; we got only one in the whole game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 27, 2005, 04:32:39 PM
Even though we went 1-9 outside, UTD went 1-12 and it's their gym. Sometimes you live or die by the three point, I know there will be games they will all fall, and games where there is Saran wrap around the bucket. The two good things I like seeing in the games is we are getting on track in the first half and in the second half is when things seem to click. Someone different steps up and makes a difference in the ballgame, and you never know who that is going to be. You have some steady play for one or two, then someone different surprises you. And the second thing is everybody is playing some. That makes for a smiling bench and depth experience. I'm liking what we've been seeing so far. Still too early. Every game is a challange and is important.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on November 28, 2005, 07:12:23 PM
Halftime McM ladies 42 UT Tyler 29
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 28, 2005, 08:28:54 PM
AC 43 UMHB 41 Final
Ozarks 63 CUA 58 Final

Any other finals for tonight?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 28, 2005, 09:11:08 PM
Mcm 92 Ut tyler 70  something, can't remember. Tarra had 32 points, 15 rebounds, 7 blocked shots.  Maigen Sawyer had over 20 pts. Carli Engelke 10 pts., Pretzel hit a big three. We did much better from the outside. Had 9 blocks. Good job for McM lady indians.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on November 28, 2005, 09:53:15 PM
Final:

HSU---81
UTD---72

HSU is 3-0...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2005, 10:13:23 PM
McM 92, UT-Tyler 77.  McM 3-0 in region and on the season.  2-0 in Conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 28, 2005, 10:55:23 PM
MC 77 HPU 68
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 29, 2005, 12:04:00 AM
ETBU 76  TLU 59  ETBU is 4-0 heading into the HSU and MCM.  Guess we will find out what the Tigers have next week.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on November 29, 2005, 05:38:22 PM
I'm surprised at the HPU loss.  This should prove to be an exciting season right up to the conference tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 30, 2005, 06:57:18 AM
Paint, I think that I would have been surprised by a loss to MC in Brownwood.  Clinton is a tough road trip.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 30, 2005, 01:13:57 PM
They just weren't focused it seems.  Gave up too many 2nd chance points and missed 16 of 30 free throws.  That will lose a game every time.  They'll come back strong this weekend for sure. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on November 30, 2005, 02:53:21 PM
Or maybe, just maybe, MC is a better team.  I agree with Ralph, a loss at home would have been the real surprise.  We'll see how things "play out."
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 30, 2005, 03:03:04 PM
They aren't a better team they just played better that day. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on November 30, 2005, 10:04:52 PM
MC is always tough at home. They have Lacey Pallmorez-Kennedy back. So HSU jumps 7 spots and Mcm loses points in the polls. That proves polls aren't nada.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 30, 2005, 11:33:58 PM
matalk, I think we see 2 different poll dynamics operating.

For HSU, they are in the Top 25 and are now floating up.  It takes a win over a superior team for a school to jump much out of the poll pecking order.  What usually happens is that a higher ranked team will lose and then drop 4-10 spots.  HSU and the others will float up to fill that vacuum.

For McMurry, we have been out of the polls consistently since 2000.  We are on the radar screen and are undefeated.  As the ranks of the undefeated dwindle, we will hang around with the other RV's (Receiving Votes and Winnebago is the name of an Indian tribe  ;) )  until we demonstrate our ability to warrant a "Top 25", like beating HSU.

HSU is in the Top 25 because of reputation.  They have not done much to lose the reputation of being a quality program.  Even 2003 Champion Trinity and the 2005 playoff team HPU are receiving fewer votes than McMurry.  2005 national runner-up Randolph-Macon lost at home to #13 Springfield and fell 8 slots.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 01, 2005, 11:22:46 AM
Of course the polls mean nothing at this time of the year.  Yes you like them if your in them,  but  ETBU and McMurry will have their chance.  Perhaps tonight.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on December 01, 2005, 02:49:59 PM
Quote from: dballa on November 30, 2005, 03:03:04 PM
They aren't a better team they just played better that day. 

Dballa, on what grounds do you make that claim?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on December 01, 2005, 04:19:51 PM
Reputation does seem to be propelling the HSU women, at least a little.  Scores against common opponents thus far would lead one to believe that McM might indeed have the inside track in the ASC West this year--at least thus far.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 01, 2005, 04:54:59 PM
So I should think they are better because they've won 1 game out of the last 5 against HPU and after HPU had a long trip to NY, then a holiday break, then a trip to LC then on to MC right after that?  If both teams make the ASC tourney and MC beats HPU there I will say they are the better team.

HPU gave up 14 2nd chance points to only 4 for themselves and missed 16 free throws.  They beat themselves by missing free throws and not rebounding.  Don't worry that will be fixed.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 01, 2005, 07:16:59 PM
Dec 1

Half:

HSU  44

ETBU 37
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 01, 2005, 08:11:04 PM
Final:  (Per Gametracker)

HSU  83

ETBU 63

Go Cowgirls!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 01, 2005, 08:36:42 PM
Tonight HSU had the second half they have been looking for.   I noticed in the HSU pregame material they are already playing up the MCmurry showdown.  Seem like 2000 all over again right Ralph.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on December 01, 2005, 08:54:20 PM
dballa -- The issue is not winning one out of the last five. That is historical review. Those were those teams.
Rather, it is the simple matterof winning/losing one of the one -- so far -- this year. How else are you going to gauge it? Isn't that why the score is kept?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2005, 09:38:36 PM
calhsu, you mean that McMurry is already the burr under the Cowgirls' saddle?

Lady Indians 92,  Lady Jackets 61.  McMurry led by 22 at the half.

Coach Nichols was happy with the defensive adjustments that the team was able to make and come up with a nice win, in the midst of a 4 game in 8 day run.

McMurry had 5 players in double figures and lots of players got minutes.  DeeDee Burton got 12 points off the bench! :)

PG Symbri Tuttle had 13 points and 15 assists.  Solid broad based rebounding by the Lady Indians.  A good outing!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 01, 2005, 11:22:44 PM
HPU 63 AC 50

and baddog like you HSU fans use to say when HPU would beat HSU a few years back, one game doesn't make a season thats why you play more than one.  If they want to say they are better 4 games into the season thats fine but it all pans out in the end.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on December 01, 2005, 11:48:33 PM
I agree with Baddog.  It makes no difference what previous seasons held as the teams of the past are not playing this season.  HPU may very well be the better team.  I just think its silly to lose yet say the better team did not win.  Maybe, just maybe, HPU played poorly because of what MC was doing on the floor.  Maybe, just maybe, they missed those second half second chances and free throws because the MC girls wore them down.  Again, HPU may, and probably does, have the better team, but so far MC gets the nod.  Just my $.02 worth.

And Ralph, who are the Lady Jackets that lost to McM?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2005, 11:59:37 PM
Paint,  LeTourneau!

http://www.letu.edu/opencms/opencms/_Student-Life/athletics/LadyJackets/Basketball/index.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 02, 2005, 12:56:58 AM
Lady Indians had 32 assists tonite and played some really good defense.  LeTourneau plays "bombs away" from the perimeter.  If you don't cover that they are a team that can sneak up on you even with a lead. They don't even touch the rim, nothing but net. Really impressed with Mcmurry's ladies, they are a fun group with lots of enthusiasm. Hope they keep smiling and keep winning!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2005, 09:17:59 AM
Lady Indians-Lady Jacket box score

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/wbasketball/luw12105.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 02, 2005, 02:43:24 PM
CALHSU,
2000?  I doubt if anyone remembers that year.  What about February 26, 2005?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 02, 2005, 04:20:03 PM
Couldn't resist the dig could you.  I certainly understand, considering the fact last years victory was one of the very few times that the Indian girls clearly won the year.   The fact I was referring to a year in which not only were the games close but that both teams made the national tournament.
The reason I mentioned the year and Ralph was that he never fails to remind us of that competive year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2005, 05:14:19 PM
 :D ;D ;)

Cahsu, I really believe the 2000 HSU and McM teams were the strongest that the ASC has seen.  I am still convinced that McMurry took HSU's game out of them (and it would have been vice versa), such that the tank was dry for the Regional finals the next night! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2005, 08:55:30 PM
I am using the number of page views on the message boards to gauge the support for the women's conferences.

The most active board is the MIAC in West Region with about 8000 page views.  The MIAC has very good teams and 2 past Women's Champions.

Second is the MAC (Middle Atlantic Corporation), the combined boards for the Commonwealth and Freedom conferences, from the Mid-Atlantic Region.  This board has had about 6800 page views.

The third most active board is the WIAC from the Central Region with 4500+ page views.

The ASC is fourth most active with nearly 4300 page views.  Way to go ASC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 02, 2005, 11:19:16 PM
And the SCIAC brings up the rear. :-[
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 03, 2005, 01:43:05 PM
CALHSU,
Yeah, it was a dig, but not  big one.  I remember 2000 as an incredible year for women's basketball at McM and HSU, but none of the students do because none of them were here then.  For them, it's history, documented only by the banners in the respective gyms.  For everybody, though, 2004-5 is vivid.  Each of the three HSU-McM games were intense, everything-you've-got contests.  The students at McM want to win some more, and I'm sure the students at HSU want revenge for what happened on Feb. 26.  If past history is any guide, we could be in trouble for the match up on Dec. 12, since it's at McM; we seem to play better against HSU on HSU's home court!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 02:42:41 PM
Just to refresh everyone's memeory of that January game, please go to the 2004-05 season on the McMurry team page and click on the camera icon, or click below.

http://www.d3hoops.com/gallery.php?gallery=36835

The McMurry Athletic Foundation brought Pat Coleman to McMurry for the long weekend.  He posted pictures from the McMurry-TLU and the McM-HSU games, both men and women!

We had a full house for that McM-HSU game.  The Kimbrell Kraizes and some HSU guests had that place rocking.  For any of you high-school-aged lurkers who are reading this, a rocking Kimbrell arena is a great place to be! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 02:51:36 PM
Halftime at Kimbrell!

ETBU closed to a 29-24 deficit and then McMurry went on a 22-4 run.

Halftime McM 51 ETBU 28!

McMurry opened the game with a run of 14-0 to take the score out to 17-3.

Good rebounding by the Lady Indians

First half stats:

ETBU:

Sade' Stewart 13 points.  (Pronounced like the 1980's female rock vocalist)
3FG 3-5, FT 7-8, Turnovers 14, steals 10.

McMurry:

Sawyer 11,
Engelke 14
Tarra Richardson 10 pts and 10 rebs (1 off + 9 def)
Tuttle has 4 pts and 9 assists.

FG 61 %
3FG  4-7 for 57 %
FT 9-14.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 03:06:13 PM
McM 64 ETBU 35  14:45.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 03:13:49 PM
McMurry 68  ETBU 39, 10:49 left.

McMurry is starting to empty the benches and the play is getting sloppy!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 03:25:34 PM
McM 76-50 5:37.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 03:29:51 PM
McM 84-55 3:54 left.  Good play out of the younger players from the deep bench.

Coach Nichols has had 2 great recruiting classes in a row! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 03:40:07 PM
Final McM 86-66.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 03, 2005, 03:43:09 PM
HSU in a romp.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 03:49:33 PM
ETBU:  Stewart 26 pts and FT 11-11. Slaughter 11, Porter 10, Vallo 9.

FG 19-54 35%; 3FG 5-13 39%; FT 23-26 89%.
Rebs 28 9 off 19 def; Turnover 22.

McM  Engelke 20pts  and 11 rebs; Richardson 12 pts and 15 rebs; Sawyer 14 pts, Tuttle 6pts and 11 assists. and only 2 turnovers.

FG 33-64; 3FG 6-13; FT 14-21 67%; Rebs 45; TO's 23.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 03, 2005, 06:26:07 PM
HPU 74 Ozarks 59
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 03, 2005, 07:24:30 PM
The "romp" was 82-44...HSU Cowgirls!  (Over LeT.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 03, 2005, 08:34:14 PM
Mcmurry looked good today, hope they can relax and then get ready for ol' hsu. Lots of depth. The only thing I can say is I hope the fans pack em' in. Disappointing that more aren't there for the beginning of the game.  I challenge all Mcm fans to be there on the 12th at the START of the women's game for some fun fun. We'll be ready...........
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 03, 2005, 08:47:23 PM
fanstand you have to remember...UT was playing in the Big 12 championship game today starting at 12...so most fans were watching that game..then when it got out of hand they started showing up for games.  Same thing happened today in Brownwood and i'm sure everywhere else around the conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 03, 2005, 08:54:42 PM
Thanks dballa didn't think about that because there was signifcant more at the men's game, wondered what the heck was going on.  HPU doing good, poor UMHB 0-5, but for whatever reason the others left, I admire those sticking it out, I'm sure it had something to do with no "I" in team. Prima donna attitudes is something I don't have lots of tolerance for. But that's just a guess at what might have happened.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 04, 2005, 12:35:48 AM
I hate to show my age but I'll ask anyway.

Is the MCMurry Kimball gym  the same one they had back in the 70's?  That was one of the worst places I had ever had to watch a sporting event.   I would have to admit that bad impression was mainly because the only time I went over  there it was a loss and it was the only loss the men had to McMurry while I was at HSU.  AT the time we had the likes of Havey Catching and Stedman Graham.  And even though McM had R. Penny they usually no match.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on December 04, 2005, 01:23:26 AM
calhsu,  The old Indian Gym was built years ago, I think in the late 20s or early 30s.  In any situation, it had aged and not gracefully.  The miracle is that Coach Kimbrell was alble to recruit good players to come play for McMurry College in those confines.  Some places age and are called "historic'.  Others...... well that is enough said. 

As I recall, regarding the McM - HSU games at that time, McMurry held their own.  It is my recollection that Coach Kimbrell was notified by a "Dear Hershell" letter from the HSU coach, that there were "scheduleing conflicts" as to future games.  Someone may have a better recall than I do, but that is how I remember it. 

As to what used to be, McMurry had a spirtied rival in Abilene Christian College, now known as ACU.  I think those contests were ended in a similar manner. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 04, 2005, 02:04:37 AM
Yes I remember that the year before I entered HSU the cowboys had won a game at  Abilene Christian "College" and it was a riotious affair and soon after the HSU coach died of a heart attack.  In the four years I was there we never played men's basketball again with ACC.  (it became ACU during those four years.) 
All I remember of Kimbrell was that it was as close to as hot as "hell" (in the Biblical sense) as I ever wanted to get.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 04, 2005, 02:29:06 AM
I dug my yearbook out.  In 72-73 HSU and McM didn't play in 73-74 they split and that was the game I remembered.  According to the year book that was the year the gym was new.   (in 74-75 MCm won both games and 75-76 HSU won both games)  I guess i had selective memory.  I was sports editor for the Brand in 76 and I guess the wins were easier to remember.   

I know this is not woman's basketball,  but we have a week to kill.

As far a the future HSU, McMurry contest  I think it will be the most important game for both teams,  at least for the month of December.  Like last year, losing the first game didn't mean HSU's season was over.  It was important for McMurry because it told them they could beat HSU which as I remember they hadn't done since 2000.  This year I think the roles are reversed even though HSU has the ratings in the polls.   If HSU wins they will stay in the polls for the season unless they fall apart.  If HSU loses they will go to a 20 something positon and McMurry will get into the polls.
Then they would both stay in the polls unless someone elses knocks them off.   Which Ralph and I remember was exactly what happened back in the ancient times of 2000.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on December 04, 2005, 02:34:38 AM
calhsu,  Old Indian Gym was replaced by the Hunt Center in the mid 70s.  The old gym could not be cooled or heated.  There was no such thing as an unobstructed view of the court.  The floor was less than even.  The locker rooms for home and visitors were yuck.  It was a tough place to play.  The old Rose Field House at HSU was much better.  Bennett Gym at ACC was a little better than what we had at McMurry.  ...... would some people refer to those times as the "good ole days" ???    From what I remember of HPU's place, it is still not so good.   Midwestern University old place was the pits.  You could not recuit players today to play in the old gyms that were available

These may well be better times.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on December 04, 2005, 02:45:31 AM
calhsu,  McMurry ladies team shows promise and may have depth that was not present last year.  Coach Nichols is playing about ten people some good minutes each game.  This upcoming contest with HSU may very well be the sternest test in this young season.
Tara Richardson, at post, is maturing, and it sould be pointed out, is getting more help in the paint. 

Teams look evenly matched, well coached, and the game has importance to all concerned.  Can't ask for more.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2005, 10:19:15 AM
Calhsu, I too dug out my yearbooks.  This is about the men.  McMurry doesn't have women's hoops yet, a Title IX contribution!

In 1971, HSU is University Division (Pre D-I, D-II, D-III) NCAA and McMurry is NAIA in the Lone Star Conference.

In the 1970-71 season, McM split the series with HSU 87-90 and 84-74.  McM split with  ACC (ACU) 63-73 and 77-73.  McM went 8-10 in the LSC.  The LSC rep SF Austin lost in the Quarterfinals of the 32-team NAIA tourney (held in Kansas City--isn't that a basketball junkie's paradise!).

The old Indian Gym had been built in 1927.  It did not age gracefully.  I remember McM playing HSU with Harvey Catchings and Stedman Graham (Mr Oprah Winfrey) in the Taylor County Coliseum in 1972.  That very young 1971-72 team with LSC Freshman of the Year Rick Penny lost both games to HSU and ACC.  McMurry did not play ACC or HSU in 1972-73.  The  "new" Indian gym- officially the Hunt Health and Physical Education Center with the later designation -Kimbrell Arena-- was opened in 1973-74.  In the 1973-74 series, non-scholarhsip McM split with D1 Hardin-Simmons, 68-76 and 97-93.  McMurry sweeps ACU 98-92 and 98-85.

McMurry gives up scholarship athletics after the 1971-72 season.  They leave the LSC after 1972-73 with a 15-13 /8-10 records, and wander in the wilderness (something called the Texoma Atheltic Conference*) until the founding of the TIAA (Austin College, McMurry College, Sul Ross State, Tarleton State College and Trinity University) in 1976.

*I am not sure whether the Texoma Athletic Conference is the predecessor of the Sooner AC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on December 04, 2005, 08:52:54 PM
So how long do we have to wait to start making our predictions for the game on the 12th? Should we wait till later in the week? THE game is a week away, when does the controversy start? I'm new, so I don't know what the "rules" are.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2005, 11:18:13 PM
Go ahead matalk.  But I am going to remain quiet! ;)

Go Lady Indians!  Pass your finals! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 05, 2005, 06:48:02 PM
Ralph, looking ahead...will the McM-HSU game be broadcast?  I know HSU has the "Game Tracker" for home games...and broadcast other games later on in the season...

What about McM's home games?  Let us know, please!

...and how to connect.

Thanks.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 05, 2005, 07:39:59 PM
You should be able to hear the McMurry broadcast by going to http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/athleticstwo.htm and then following the directions. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 05, 2005, 10:05:45 PM
Got it!

Thanks, mcmfan...

Both games should be great...and crucial...early in the season for such games!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 05, 2005, 10:29:32 PM
Of course, you may not like the announcers... their blood is very maroon.  You'll get a good blow-by-blow account of the action, but don't expect any objectivity!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2005, 07:14:16 AM
Kit and Leon, the McMurry announcers, will acknowledge a really blatant call for McMurry.

But, they bleed Maroon! ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 06, 2005, 07:59:26 PM
The polls are killing me. HSU moves up to 15 in the top 25 and Mcm loses 2 points. We can't get any respect. But that's okay, our time's a comin'. I say Lady Indians gonna take the game on Monday. No predictions by how much, just to prove the polls wrong. Good for the ASC that at least we are represented..........guess we'll find out monday if I'm right or just whining...............
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2005, 10:35:01 PM
Fanstand, the ASC has just not broken thru on the National scene.  HSU has never defeated a non-South Region tourney opponent.

HPU lost a close one to Trinity at home in the first round last year.    Trinity still has respect from the 2003 tourney championship.

http://www.d3hoops.com/terrehaute/03/

Look how "do-able" a Final Four or even a Tourney Finals might have been last year, if HPU had "done it".

http://www.d3hoops.com/vabeach/05/pairings.htm

We think that we have something down here, especially in the ASC-West, but we just have not executed it!

As you said, in due time!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 07, 2005, 12:38:48 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2005, 10:35:01 PM
Fanstand, the ASC has just not broken thru on the National scene.  HSU has never defeated a non-South Region tourney opponent.

////////////////////////////////

Note from dsc...

Ralph what qualifies as a "non-South Region tourney opponent?"

In March, 2004 at  WI/Stevens Point, HSU defeated Eastern Mennonite 91-64 on the way to the Elite Eight.  HSU was also in the "Elite Eight" in 2000, but I was unable to find the names of the teams they beat to get there.

Just curious...not wanting to argue.  Help me!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2005, 08:23:07 AM
Good morninig dsc, Eastern Mennonite was the ODAC representative that year, just as Randolph-Macon was last year.

http://www.d3hoops.com/vabeach/04/pairings.htm

HSU got the bye.  Maryville was the Pool B from the GSAC.

There have been 2 participants from the South Region in the Women's Finals in the last 3 years, Trinity in 2003 and Randolph-Macon in 2005.  If we are looking at the South Region from the outside, the ASC teams may win games, but they do not defeat non-South Region teams.

IMHO, defeating great teams at the Elite 8 level and above is the only way to get the "real respect" that some "knee-jerk posters" are seeking.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 07, 2005, 08:46:38 AM
Thanks...Ralph!

...for the link/pairings.  I tend to agree with you.  I think I have read on these postings before that many North and East teams have taller and "tougher" players.  However, going to the "Elite Eight"  (more than just once)  is commendable, no matter whom a team  might be playing...in order to get there!

I do believe that HSU can certainly be proud of their results over the past several years!  :D

Go Cowgirls...Beat McMurry!   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 07, 2005, 09:50:20 AM
I hate repeating myself but if you don't pay attention.

The polls of course reflect very much the past.  HSU has earned the right for the respect it gets.

And as I said before, if MCM wins they will get in the polls. HSU will stay in the polls at a lower level but remain as long as they don't loss other games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2005, 10:00:32 AM
dsc, I am proud of the accomplishments of HSU (once we have settled each year's contests in conference play  ;)  ;) :D).

But most ASC fans, especially from our exposure nationally on the football side, should have an understanding about how good a team has to be to get to the national level.

IMHO, the ASC-West is about 1/2 player shy each year.  I have listened to the HSU-McM/ and the HSU-St Thomas game in 2000 (St Thomas finishes 4th overall), the HSU-Guilford game in 2002 (SCAC representative DePauw finished 3rd in 2002 out of another part of the bracket), the 2003 Trinity-HSU game (Trinity won the tourney), and  the 2004 HSU-UWSP game (UWSP won the tourney in 2004).

In 2005, Trinity defeated the HPU Lady Jackets 57-55 in the Brownwood Mausoleum  :( , only to lose at Randolph-Macon in OT.  Randolph-Macon gets blown out in the National finals.

We have seen up-close-and-personal what it takes to get to the finals or to win.

I just hope we get there this year! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on December 07, 2005, 10:04:48 AM
Every year there are fans who think their teams are strong because they play really well in the early part of the season.  They may even have perfect records after a few weeks of cross conference play.  These fans conclude that their teams are among the strongest in the nation and deserve a high ranking in the polls.  They conclude that since they don't get the ranking they hoped for then the teams are getting no respect.  Ralph is right!  ASC teams must go deep into the playoffs if they ever expect to get ranked in a poll.  HSU has proven their ability to consistently move beyond the first or second round of post season play, which gives them help in the polls but does not help other conference teams.  HPU's quick exit last year did not help the ASC's reputation.  Bottom line is simple - someone is going to have to go to the final four for the ASC to get more national recognition.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2005, 04:39:40 PM
Paint, I agree with your quick exit comment about HPU in 2005.

In football, we have had the South Region champion three times: HSU twice and UMHB.  Our football teams get one-two strong teams in the Top 10-15 without much question each season.  The pollsters know that the ASC #1 will be Top 5-7;  the ASC #2 will #5-15 most seasons because the teams and the conference have earned it.

If HPU had won the 2005 South Region, then they would have made the Elite 8 and the ASC champion (HPU in 2005) would be judged as Elite 8 material, again.  Were that to happen again in 2006, then the conference would be known as that strong.  Otherwise, last year's perfomance might be judged by an outsider as an off-year for HSU, when several of us thought that the Lady Jackets were a very strong team!

The ASC's reputation is being carried by HSU (and I would love for McMurry to change that ! ;D :D ;) )
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 07, 2005, 07:26:39 PM
GOOD GRIEF!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let me set my record straight! I did not say HSU did not deserve to be in the polls.. Yes I understand that their record and name recognition gets them some of that and in the beginning of the year until they lose they will be there....got it. My point was Mcm has played the same 5 teams and have won by +119 points, HSU has won by +77 and we keep losing votes. I didn't say McM was the top in the nation, the season is young and we have a long way to go. And unlike calhsu and Mr. Turner, I see the games from the stands not on the radio, I see intangibles, interaction with the coaches and players, players with players, things the radio doesn't SEE. I have seen both teams play. Last year after the tournament in Georgetown, I talked about HPU and the difference in the team than the year's past, I was right. I could have predicted what happened at UMHB with Lisa Martinez just because I SEE what goes on, on the court, on the bench, yada yada yada. Am I an expert? H*** No. But I do have an opinion, and I know girls...........raised some myself and I see that you can play with skills, but there is a raw emotion that can make or break you.  So IMHO, means my opinion is humble, can't say that about everyone else. And Mr. Turner, I thought we were on the same team. But Lord have mercy, I won't mention the polls again!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2005, 08:08:18 PM
Fanstand, we are on the same team!     :) :)   We have a young team that still has never played an NCAA game!   I don't like playing the "we don't get no respect" game, because I continue to be amazed by the people who define themselves and their success by their own incredible standards of truth or excellence.

(The 2005 Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology, Barry Marshall, was a young doctor in his late 20's who imagined that stomach ulcers could be caused by bacteria.

http://nobelprize.org/medicine/laureates/2005/index.html

That was going against the conventional wisdom, because every research scientist in the field was trying to figure out how to treat them by decreasing stomach acid production (Pepsid and Zantac). )


I don't want this team defining itself by or becoming enamored with a poll number.  "Look how good we are !  We got "x" number votes!"

I want the Lady Indians focused on winning one game at a time.  Besides, Pat Coleman may be the only voter who has seen the Indians and that was last year's team!

I'll admit that polls are fun.  I will follow them myself, but I really like this team.  I believe you about the chemistry and the drive.  Symbri Tuttle proved that to me last year, and the performances that we are getting this year out of the whole team are great!

Let's not worry about the polls.  The NCAA Regional Rankings in February will give us an idea of our chances, if it comes to a Pool C bid, because we did not win the tourney or where we will play if we do get a bid!   :) :) :)

One other thing...

Quote from: fanstand on December 07, 2005, 07:26:39 PM
...And unlike calhsu and Mr. Turner, I see the games from the stands not on the radio, I see intangibles, interaction with the coaches and players, players with players, things the radio doesn't SEE...

Do you mean that Kit and Leon aren't telling me everything?  ??? :o ???

:D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 07, 2005, 08:22:22 PM
Just look where being in the top 25 got HSU in football this year and women's basketball last year....sitting home going nowhere...

I don't care for all this blasting HPU for losing in the first round...they played one of the best teams in the nation with the 05 player of the year...and a few of the players that played on their national championship team...so to say they blew it in the first round is a load of crap.  Sure they had their chances and should have won especially being at home...but they didn't lose to a bad team...they lost to a team that went on to lose to the national runner up in OT.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 07, 2005, 08:26:31 PM
Kit and Leon are great!! The few games I don't attend, I love listening to them. And I agree polls don't always mean alot. I agree about respect, and maybe respect isn't the word I am looking for. In all honesty I love the underdog. The first HSU game last year, they didn't "expect" us, they were more prepared for Mcm the second game and we should have won, but Diana Martinez was the factor (an intangible) she made things happen but it was a great game. The third game we made the things happen that got the job done. Maybe its legitimacy I hope these ladies accomplish. They are respected, but not always taken seriously.  HPU is still a factor,they are the reigning conference champs. Iits not just a two team race. I am about emotion, I don't have to figure logic in (I have a man for that!) I just really hope this team has what it takes, they are young still, but experienced......somewhere down the line I hope they get the NCAA experience and bring some legitimacy to the ASC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2005, 08:45:10 PM
No, dballa, we did not say that HPU was blown out! ;)

My agony over the HPU loss was we (ASC) had a really good HPU team!  They had the national stage against the 2003 National Champion Trinity team making the playoffs for the first time since 2003.

They were playing at home, home court advantage!  A win over Trinity would have seen HPU hosting Greensboro on Saturday night!

I see the margins of victory in the 2005 tourney and believe that HPU could have made the Final Four!  But we (ASC) did not get out of the first round! :(

Well, we will get over this, and hopefully we are even hungrier this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 07, 2005, 08:57:26 PM
Didn't say they were blown out but it was said they pretty much blew the game. 

But anyways HPU was a young team playing a very experienced Trinity team.

HPU is still very young this year but improving with every game.  And even with that youth they have a lot of experience back from last years team...I can't wait to see them play against HSU and McM...the only bad thing is I think both of those teams come to Brownwood during the break and won't get as big of a rowdy crowd that has pumped up the team before.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: moseshightower on December 07, 2005, 11:28:27 PM
I think it is hard to judge how HPU would've done just based on the scoring margins of the other games.  The second and third weekends of the tournaments have teams playing on back to back nights which some teams don't do all year.  I think that's what lead to Randolph-Macon getting blown out in the finals, Millikin had and still has a very deep team while RMC had and still has an outstanding starting five that needed to play most of the game for that team to win in the playoffs. 

All that aside, the top 25 rankings really don't mean much because you don't see the top 10 playing each other in the regular season like you see at the Division I level.  The only thing the ASC needs to worry about is winning games to improve their regional rankings so that they can host games in the playoffs.  Every ASC team has a HUGE home-court advantage and that's what will lead to wins in the playoffs.  Another thing they need to concern themselves with is Trinity because just like in football, expanded field or not, Trinity and the top teams in the ASC will inevitably meet in the playoffs.  So, until you have a good enough program to consistently beat Trinity (which looks like is starting to happen in football), the ASC won't get far in the NCAAs and therefore never get ranked high in the top 25.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on December 08, 2005, 12:12:43 AM
At least fanstand called you "Mr. Turner."  I would have been miffed had he failed to show the respect due!

Dballa, get rid of that wad and relax.  You are way too defensive!  I don't believe anyone said HPU blew the playoff game last year.  As Mr. Turner wrote, most of us felt HPU was one of the strongest teams to win the conference title in several years and had a good chance to go fairly deep in the playoffs.  They did not blow the game.  Postseason (Mr. Coleman, I still see the ASC tournament as part of the regular season) play is the arena that the ASC has yet to really do well in.  HSU has some history there but otherwise the ASC has been pretty much absent. 

The experience last year may be the best thing to ever happen to HPU.  Their program knows the feeling of winning the conference and looking ahead only to see it end in 90 minutes one evening.  The Jackets are going to be tough, they always are, but tougher this year than in recent years if for that reason alone.

I am thrilled with the excitement that is building in the conference this season.  McM, HPU and HSU are all quality programs and all three can be seen as realistic contenders for the conference title.  I'm sure other programs could also steal the sho.  It is going to be a great ride!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 08, 2005, 12:42:31 AM
Looks like Jessica Wurzbach is back on UMHB's roster again, interesting. What is going on there? I haven't seen her or Tomlinson in a box score yet.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 09:07:51 AM
Paint, dballa is a great and loyal fan.  He has been a consistent HPU fan on this, the football board and even times when he and I tried to carry on a "baseball board" 2 years ago.

I am looking forward to this season.  Let's not forget dsc's observation that the ASC needs to get stronger.  The HSU girls know that from their trip to Wisconsin 2 years ago.  Women (and men) need to be in the weight room.  Women athletes don't need to worry about becoming muscle-bound...when your competition career is over, that muscle weight will come off.  (I have seen it happen in too many former D1 players.)  But we need the muscle strength when we play northern schools. ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on December 08, 2005, 10:03:31 AM
I thought Dballa was of the female persuasion, thus the veiled "panties in a wad" comment!

I completely agree with your weight room perspective.  The few times I watched DIII action beyond the ASC I saw big, strong girls who could dominate the paint.  They play very physical basketball!  Our squad too often looks frail and skinny up against the competition.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 08, 2005, 10:16:41 AM
Look at the bright side, Ralph and company.  I doubt that the ASC champion/Pool C selectee will have to worry about Trinity at all this year. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: moseshightower on December 08, 2005, 11:36:20 AM
Ron, that seems a bit premature, Trinity lost a lot from last year but I think with their schedule and the fact that they are only going to improve, they have a chance to be a factor come the end of the season.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 08, 2005, 01:56:01 PM
I have seen those girls from up north. They are bigger and much more physical. To me they look like the DII players round here. I watched them play up in Ohio, we need that physicalness here. The weight room is a girl's friend while they are playing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 08, 2005, 03:11:49 PM
ETBU vs Sul Ross has been changed to a 6pm start because of weather.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 07:19:16 PM
HPU 30 LeTourneau 18 at the half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 07:24:31 PM
Keep scores coming from both games, dballa!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 07:42:29 PM
i'll try to give a score when i can but may not be very often although in the women's game it's not that big a deal HPU should be able to handle them easily.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 07:50:25 PM
HPU 52 LeT 30 about 12 mins or so to go not real certain of the time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 08:05:23 PM
HPU 66 LeT 43 about 4 mins to go.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 08:08:26 PM
HPU 68 LeT 45 2:30 left in the game
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 08:14:32 PM
HPU 70 LeT 48 Final.  Good 2nd half by HPU after starting off slow in the first half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 09, 2005, 09:44:32 AM
ETBU 77 Sul Ross 42


http://www2.etbu.edu/content/sports/wbasketball/vssrsu-w.htm

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 09, 2005, 05:11:16 PM
Quote from: moseshightower on December 08, 2005, 11:36:20 AM
Ron, that seems a bit premature, Trinity lost a lot from last year but I think with their schedule and the fact that they are only going to improve, they have a chance to be a factor come the end of the season.   

The SCAC's actually a pretty decent women's b-ball league.  There are six teams so far with one loss each (a combined 29-6), most of that coming outside league play.   DePauw is a prohibitive favorite to win the SCAC and it's been hard for anyone not named DePauw to get a pool C bid in seasons past.   Coming off the '03 national championship, Trinity went 24-3 and did not get invited to the dance ...

Trinity's start is impressive, especially given that they have a first-year college head coach, but they will probably lose enough games along the way to preclude an at-large bid.  I just don't see them having the horses to unseat Depauw. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: moseshightower on December 10, 2005, 12:24:55 PM
Ron, we should probably move this conversation over to the SCAC board but while we're here... I see DePauw in a similar situation as Trinity talent wise with a number of unproven bench players trying to replace some big names.  Zondor and Argetsinger at DePauw; Rohde, Howe and Smith at Trinity.  The one thing DePauw has going for it is continuity of the program with Trinity getting a new head coach.  I think Trinity still has more talent than a lot of teams in the conference and if things come together for them, I think they will be definitely be in it for a Pool C bid if not another conference title.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on December 11, 2005, 05:57:10 PM
Sure is quiet here for only 1 day before the big game for HSU and McM. Why? I'm making my prediction, McM and HSU close in the first half and in the second half McM takes a lead. I say McM by 6 for the ladies, and the men's game even closer. Come early, yell loud!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 11, 2005, 07:10:26 PM
matalk, I was in Abilene on Saturday and the McMurry campus is ready for the game.  The Ladies are focused.  I think that we will see a really great game.

As for the men, HSU had a very good showing against SMU.  That should have been a very low pressure game.  (Go out. Play hard. Have fun. Learn some stuff.)

I have to believe that McMurry will win both by close margins.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 12, 2005, 10:38:06 AM
Interesting article in the newpaper about the game. I say McM women win by 10 at least. Should be a fun game tonight.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 10:56:24 AM
Hyperlink to the HSU-McM game that fanstand mentioned. :) Go Lady Indians!

http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_basketball/article/0,1874,ABIL_7991_4308037,00.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 12, 2005, 11:26:54 AM
If HSU is to win tonight it is going to be because of S. West.
How personal is it to her, will she play the game of her life or will she choke tonight? 

Guess what?  This game is much more important to McM than to the cowgirls.   First,  it gets them into the polls,  a loss for HSU drops them down but not out.  Second, McM is on a roll with big margins of victory,  they have not been tested.   To be sure HSU has won but not with same authority.  Can McM stand the heat?  Will the Cowgirls give them any heat?   

One thing I am sure of.  We have not seen the Cowgirls at their best,  they are still coming together as a team.  Is tonight when they come together,  we will know in less than 24 hours.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 01:36:40 PM
calhsu, I agree that this is big for McMurry, becuase I can foresee the scenario where McM or HSU puts some distance between themselves individually and the rest of the division/conference.

HSU/McM on Monday night and then both make the "Bayou Trek" for games with LC and MC.  Anything other than a 3-0 run this week will likely put someone in catch-up position. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on December 12, 2005, 02:07:10 PM
Will the McM and HSU game be on the internet?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on December 12, 2005, 02:33:12 PM
regarding the posts of calhsu and Dr. Turner,  I think you are both right in your analysis of tonights women's game.  HSU has not jelled yet.  The players are finding out about each other and may still be for the next several games.  However, this contest could be pivotal for their growth as a team.  On the other hand, McMurry Lady Indians have more experience and trust with and in each other.  Tara Richarson may be strong in the paint.  If she is and HSU must double and triple her, the outside should be open for 12 foot jump shots and feeds from the post to a player coming down the paint. 

McMurry is playing for ASC standing and poll notice. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on December 12, 2005, 02:52:10 PM
Pretty ballsy statement from West, considering her McM team went 0-4 against HSU, and without her they went 2-3 in the winning column. Could fire those ladies up, hopefully they will keep their focus on the whole team! I might rethink my prediction. If McM keeps their cool they will win by more than 6.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 03:09:26 PM
bcal, Sonya played for McMurry in 2003-04.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/wbasketball/03-04statistics.htm

McMurry is 2-1 vs HSU without her.

I like our team and their prospects of defeating HSU!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 06:42:18 PM
McM--Sawyer 3FG McM 3-0
HSU--miss Richardson rebs
McM--miss-- Sonya  West on the  turnover.
............
McM--miss
HSU miss, HSU inbound West rejected by Richardson called a foul.
HSU West FT 1-2. McM 3-1 17:51  Richardson reb
McM--Engelke miss Hawk reb
HSU--Dennard FG  Tied.
McM--HSU's Hawk foul.
McM--West fouls Richardson FT 2-2, McM 5-3. 16:45.
HSU--Henley FG Tied.
McM--Engelke rejected by Hodges, but West travels.
McM--Engleke fouled Henley. Engleke Ft 2-2.  McM 7-5.
HSU--Sawyer fouls.  Richardson fouls Henley. 15:48

Burton for Richardson.

HSU--15:32.  shot clock violation.
McM--Burton misses.
HSU--West misses. Travel.
McM--15:00 Media timeout.  Fast game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 12, 2005, 06:43:30 PM
Ralph listening to him do the broadcast makes me feel like i'm going to a rodeo :) he just has one of those accents...he does a great job with the radio broadcast though.

Sounds like some poor officiating early.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 06:52:51 PM
McM leads 7-5 but Richardson has 2 fouls.
McM-3FG. 10-5.
HSU fouls.
McM--turnover
HSU 13:55, Dennard fouls. team 6th
McM--traveling
HSU--Hodges 3FG, McM 10-8.
McM--Venekamp to the line (Foul on Hodges her 2nd) FT 0-2. McM  10-8. McM rebs HSU ball oob on West. 12:57
McM--Engelke FG, 12-8.
HSU--Steal
McM--blocked shot.
HSU--Amber Horton fouls for McM 11:55.
HSU--West FG and fouled by Burton FT 1-1. McM 12-11.
McM--Burton fouls.
HSU--Henley HSU 13-12.
McM--West fouls Burton; West's 2nd.  Burton 1&1. FT 1-2. 13 tied. West subbed by Green.
HSU--Finstad fouls, McM 7th. Hauk 1&1. missed. Engelke rebs.
McM--reb HSU
HSU--Henley lay-in. HSU 15-13.
McM--foul by Henley her 2nd. Media Timeout.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 06:59:56 PM
dballa, if there are any northerners or east coasters listening, I hope they will appeciate the Cultural Diversity! ;)
McM--Horton FT  2-2, Tied at 15 under 10:00  Sawyer for Horton
HSU--Finstad reb
McM--Burton missed layup then fouls, her 3rd. Engelke in.
HSU--Green misses FT
McM--turnover
HSU--Fg
McM--Green reb.
HSU--Steinberger fouls, 10th foul.
McM--Tuttle FT 0-2. HSU 17-15.  Venekamp 3FG. McM 18-17.
HSU--Engleke fouls, her 2nd.
HSU-Henley Ft 1-2,  tied at 18.
McM--Jump ball to HSU
HSU--West back in, travel by Hauk.



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 07:05:06 PM
McM--Sawyer 3FG.  Foul by Hodges, her 3rd on the reb att.  Engelke to the line FT 1-2.  McM  22-18.
HSU--West FG McM 22-20.
McM--6:40, Engelke FG  McM 24-20.
HSU--6:10, steal
McM--5:50, Engelke reb and save.
McM--Hauk fouls.  Tuttle FT 1-2. McM 25-20.  Engelke her 2nd foul.
HSU--West Ft  1-2. McM 25-21. Engelke rebs.
McM--West rebs.
HSU--jump ball  -to McM Media TO 4:49. McM 25-21.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 07:15:15 PM
McM 29 % on FG  44 % on FT and lead by 4.

McM--Venekamp travels.
HSU--travel.
McM--turnover butler to Burton.
HSU--Sawyer rebs.
McM--Venekamp long 3FG McM 28-21.
HSU--Henley misses. Butler rebs.
McM--Tuttle misses and oob. 3:07
HSU--Butler slaps away.
McM--2:33 with Richardson and Englke on the bench!
McM--Henley fouls.  Burton FT  2-2, McM 30-21.
HSU--traveling
McM--2:05, Dennard rebs.
HSU--foul by Burton, her 4th.  Henley FT  1-2. McM 30-22. McM rebs.
McM--Paetzold FG on a penetration! McM 32-22.
HSU--Paetzold foul. 0:59.
HSU--Thompson FT  2-2. McM  32-24.
McM--0:55, Nelson lay-in.
HSU--Paetzold fouls Thompson FT  2-2. McM 34-26.
McM--Venekamp misses.  Half McM 34-26.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on December 12, 2005, 07:15:46 PM
WOW!! This is better than any internet broadcast.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 12, 2005, 07:16:50 PM
If the stat people have any problem with locating any missing plays they can just look at Ralph's play by play and it's right on the money :) 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 07:20:58 PM
Sorry about the long sequences...the game is flowing very quickly!  It is hard to break. ;)

McMurry played the much of the end of the half without either of their starting posts.  That describes the depth that Coach Nichols has recruited in the last 2 years.

Fouls McM--Richardson 2, Paetzold 2, Engelke 2, Burton of the bench 4.

HSU-- PG Hauk 2, Dennard 2, Hodges 3, West 2, Henley 3.

FT  McM 11-18; HSU  9-14.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 07:27:45 PM
HSU--Henley 8, West 7;  FG 8-21; 3FG 1-6; FT  9-15, Rebs 8 off 13 def, 21 tot. 3 steals and 10 turnovers.  Rebs-Hauk leads with 7.

McM--Engelke, 7, Venekamp 6, Sawyer 6; Butler 6 rebs off the bench.  FG 9-28; 3FG 5-13; FT 11-18; TO 6, Steals 4; Rebs 8 off 13 def  21 tot.

Richardson only plays 4 minutes due to fouls.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 07:33:22 PM
HSU--inbounds at the start.  HSu save Hodges 3FG.
McM--Engelke fade away jumper
HSU--West FG
McM--Richardson FG
HSU--put back by Dennard
McM--Richardson  on the putback. FG  McM 40-33. 18:00
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 07:40:38 PM
HSU--Richardson called for her 3rd foul.  17:30 Dennard FT  0-2 Engelke rebs.
McM--Richardson fouled by Henley her 4th.  FT 2-2. McM 42-33.
HSU--Venekamp fouls Hodges FT  2-2. McM 42-35.
McM--Richardson fouled by West, her 3rd.  engelke rebs. West Rebs.
HSU--Green FG.  McM 42-37.
McM--Sawyer FG running jumper 44-37.
HSU--Richardson rebs.
McM--Engelke FG pass from Venekamp 46-37.
HSU--Steal by Sawyer.
McM--Tuttle a long range 3FG.  49-37.
HSU--Rebs Richardson
McM--turnover 15:18.

Man, Kimbrell is rocking!!! The Kraizes are back!!!!

HSU--Hodges FG Engelke fouls on the pentration. FT 1-1. McM 49-40. 15:05
McM--Burton fouled by Green. 14:53 Media TO.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 07:47:05 PM
McM--Inbound.  Horton for Venekamp.  Hodges fouls Horton on the penetration.  FT  2-2. McM 51-40.
HSU--Rebs Richardson.
McM--Thompson rebs.
HSU--Horton steal.
McM--Reb Cowgirls.
HSU--Tarra Richardson, a phantom foul her 4th.
HSU--Magna Green FT  1-2.  McM 51-41.
McM--Burton on the putback McM 53-41
HSU--West putback.
McM--Horton turnover
HSU--Reach-in by Finstad.  Hauk Ft 1-2. McM  53-44. Butler rebs.
McM--12:30  Engelke FG 55-44
HSU--traveling.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 07:51:58 PM
McM--Finstad misses. Engelke fouled on the reb. Engelke travels.
HSU--Engelke fouls Steinberger, her 4th.  FT  1-2.  McM 55-45.
McM--Walker fouls. 11:11. hauk has the ball.
HSU--block by Burton.
McM--Finstad 3FG  McM 58-45.
HSU--Finstad fouls, her 3rd 1&1.  Hauk FT  2-2. McM 58-47. 10:12.
McM--Burton FG  McM 60-47.
HSU--oob.  9:44 media timeout
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 07:55:17 PM
McM--HSU rebs.
HSU--Charging on Sonya West, her 4th.
McM--9:12.  jump ball, McM possession.
McM--West subbed for by HSU.
McM- inbounds 8:43. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 08:03:42 PM
McM--Richardson fouls out with 8 pts. at 8:35.
HSU--FT Jones 0-1 miss. Green fouls
McM--8:35.   Burton misses Ft 0-1.
HSU--Reb Finstad.
McM--Venekamp misses.
HSU--Rebs Venekamp.
McM--Burton FG.  62-47.
HSU--Burton rebs.
HSU--Jones steals, McM ball.
McM--Hodges rebs.
HSU--Hauk FG.  62-49.
McM--turnover
HSU--Thompson 3FG. 6:00  62-52
McM--Hodges her 5th, 11 pts  Burton  FT 2-2, 64-52. 5:45.
HSU--Nelson fouls.  Henley FT  1-2.  McM 64-53. Nelson rebs.
McM--Horton FG.
HSU--Henley FG  McM 66-55.
McM--turnover.
HSU-- Media TO  4:46.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 08:12:01 PM
HSU--Hauk Lay-up 66-57.
McM--Engelke travels.
HSU--Engelke rebs.
McM--Burton blocked oob.
McM--11 secs on the shot clock... turnover.
HSU--3:38  Green Rebs save by Dennard FG and fouled by Burton her 5th. FT on the 3 point play is good. 66-60.
McM--Horton misses, Engleke rebs. 2:50.
McM--Tuttle fouled by hauk,  FT  2-2.   McM 68 - 60.
HSU--Sawyer steals.  Fouled by Hauk.
McM--Sawyer  FT  0-2, McM 68-60. 2:30 West Rebs.
HSU--Engelke rebs. 2:12.
McM--Hauk steals
HSU--Dennard FG. 68-62 1:48
McM--Engelke FG off the glass, 70-62.
HSU--Butler rebs. 1:11
McM--Venekamp fouled by Thompson,  FT 2-2.  McM 72-62. 0:56.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 08:12:48 PM
HSU Time out with 0:55 trailing 72-62.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 08:16:32 PM
HSU--Hauk fouled by Venekamp, FT 1-2 0:40.    72-63.  Engelke rebs.
McM--Traveling.
HSU--Finstad blocking foul.  Thompson FT 2-2  0:26. McM 72-65.
McM--Dennard fouls Finstad.  Ft  1-2.  McM 73-65.
HSU--Rebs Engelke.
McM--time out. 12 secs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 08:18:42 PM
McM--Inbounds fromthe HSU backcourt.  Knocked oob 0:09. Tuttle oob.
HSU--Engelke rebs.

Final-  McM 73 HSU 65.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 12, 2005, 08:21:06 PM
Rt,

Thanks for the game play.

Are you doing the same for the men?

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 12, 2005, 08:22:58 PM
I don't think this game showed the true talent of either team...it just showed McMurry had more depth than HSU...way too many fouls called...the refs shouldn't be that involved in a game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 12, 2005, 08:24:21 PM
Well I did enjoy listening to the Abilene  play by play guys. Don't worry I still can translate Texan.    I especially liked the commentary.  Late in the second half he says: The Cowgirls have really been shooting well at the foul line.  Yeah they are 11 for 18."
But the announcers were not the problem for HSU.   They have to decide who is going to step up and really lead the team.  McMurry seems to have several people ready to come forward when their star player had the foul trouble.

Last year HSU got crushed at home in December.  By that comparison they are ahead of last year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 08:30:35 PM
dsc, yes I will try!

HSU stats-Hodges, West, Henley 11; Dennard 9, Thompson 9, Hauk 8
FG  20-54 37%; 3FG 3-10; Ft 22-36; Rebs 13 off 24 def 37 tot.  Steals 8 TO's 14.

McM stats-Engelke 15, Venekamp 8, Richardson 8, Tuttle 9, Sawyer 8, Finstad 4, Horton 6, Burton 5; TO 18 Steals 7;  No reb leader mentioned.
Rebs-- 16 off 33 def 49 total; FT 22-33, 3FG 7-21; FG 22-57.

McM goes to Pineville LA; HSU goes to MC on Saturday and then they flip on Monday night.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 08:32:37 PM
calhsu, I hope you let your children hear some good west Texas accents.  They can declare that broadcast as cultural diversity! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 12, 2005, 08:32:53 PM
Fanstand I checked you picked  McM by ten.  Pretty close,  except I believe you really wanted to say by more.

To be fair I didn't predict because I was afraid HSU would lose,  but I was hoping that they didn't get blow out like last year in December.   What is more important for HSU is that they don't get down for the weekend.  They will lose more than poll position if they lose either game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 12, 2005, 08:36:51 PM
Ralph,  one of my daughters did walk by the computer and just laughed at me for listening to a game in Texas.

As a child I listened to the Plainview Bulldogs on radio.

The other night when my daughters school California Baptist played for the national championship in volleyball I listen by way of the Missouri annoucers.  It is a sickness.  They did win by the way.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on December 12, 2005, 11:41:14 PM
McMurry was able to prevail aganist a good HSU team with Tara Richardson playing only a few minutes due to foul trouble.  Other players steped up and filled the void.  This team can pick up the pace when their strong player in the paint is out or not having a good night.  Several ladies gave a good account of themselves tonight and the coaches may rest a little better this evening with that knowledge.  The Lady Indians were given a good test tonight and responded well. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 13, 2005, 12:44:22 AM
Thanks calhsu, yes I wanted to say alot, but must keep my emotions in check. Tonite was not our best game but this game is never "norm". I knew HSU could not run with McM in the second half. HSU did not shut Tarra down, the man with the stripes did, that was very frustrating because two of those were very questionable, and the same official called 4 fouls on her. But it didn't matter, because the depth of McM stepped up and continued the flow of the game. HSU lacks a "Diana" leader on the floor. They play very aggressive but really got frustrated and winded in the second half. McM is young and hopefully will contine to build. Way to go Ladies, you did great !!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 13, 2005, 01:54:37 AM
New Top 25 released for games as of Dec 11th!

#13 HSU
*#25 McMurry.  Way to go Lady Indians!

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 13, 2005, 03:29:49 AM
In the last five minutes of the game HSU didn't take control of the boards even though McM had two of its big people out.  That was the last nail in the coffin.

If the cowgirls get things back together I think they can win the next game.  The playoffs should be very intersting.  If both teams don't lose to anyone else then they both have a chance to get to the dance.   HPU will be waiting to upset this story.

I am up late tonight and see if California can really do what Texas does often. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 13, 2005, 08:22:48 AM
and Ralph before any McMurry fans get upset over that poll, it doesn't include last nights game.  So if both teams win out this weekend you'll see McM go further up most likely and HSU drop down. 

I think it would be ASC history if another team went ahead of HSU in the polls wouldn't it?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 13, 2005, 09:21:06 AM
Thanks, dballa.  Looks like the West will be tough again.  Now we just have to handle the road trip in the Bayou country. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 13, 2005, 09:31:38 AM
Well I know both teams should be able to handle LC although they do play scrappy defense.  But that trip to MC will be very tough.   That should be a couple of very interesting games to watch.

HPU has it pretty easy before the Christmas break with a game against Sul Ross on Saturday then Southwestern on Monday. 

Then just one more weekend against the East before hosting HSU and McM in mid January.  I know it's only a couple weekends, but it will be boring not watching ASC basketball for a couple weeks after this weekend :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 13, 2005, 10:32:13 AM
The Mississippi game will be a real test for both McM and HSU and will be the first game that all three leaders have played the same opponent, that should really tell us where we are at. I still feel like HPU is a strong team and is slipping under the radar right now. After the games in LA and Miss. we'll see. Road games are very important and McM can't overlook LC. I was happy to see the ladies creep into the polls and get some legitimacy for all their hard work. So I guess I'll shut up now about it. Keep up the good work ladies............
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 13, 2005, 10:46:29 AM
It looks like we're already setting up for the McM-HSU rematch.  Sonya West is quoted in today's Reporter-News as follows:  "I would rather lose any day with this team [HSU] than win on McMurry's team."  The full story is at
http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_basketball/article/0,1874,ABIL_7991_4310837,00.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 13, 2005, 11:27:21 AM
Too bad. Coach Nichols was very supportive when she left the team, and our girls handled her comments with class, I was proud of Carli. What goes around, comes around. Those kind of words come back to bite you in the butt. I think McM team is happy with what it has going on, and they won't get into a debate. We're moving on, one game at a time......
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on December 13, 2005, 03:40:44 PM
Congrats to McM on a couple of nice wins last night.  Of course, I'm disappointed that they came at our expense, but hard-fought and well-deserved nonetheless.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 13, 2005, 08:29:11 PM
I agree with fanstand about HPU.  Their one loss so far came from Mississippi College, which remains undefeated in the East.  And their big, athletic girls manhandled us (is that the right word?) all three times we played them last year. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on December 14, 2005, 12:23:45 AM
Wow, someone needs to tell the West girl to quite talking to the newspaper!!!

Congrats to the Indians...keep it rolling.  Very impressed with your depth.  I've watched alot of these crosstown games.  And no matter what anyone says, they usually come down to depth and talent.  And right now, McM has more.  But I'm sure HSU will have something to say about that next time. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on December 14, 2005, 01:55:28 AM
Well said finnman.....I think that with West's comments in the newspaper just fires up those girls even more, I know that it would me!  I did like what the paper said about Sonya West being overshadowed by Carli Englke...I think that comment was well stated.  They say (Sonya thinks) that she was all McMurry had, but I say they have done much better without her, so let her say what she wants it has come back to bite her in the end!!![/color]
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on December 14, 2005, 02:07:59 AM
Well said finnman.....I think that with West's comments in the newspaper just fires up those girls even more, I know that it would me! I did like what the paper said about Sonya West being overshadowed by Carli Englke...I think that comment was well stated. They say (Sonya thinks) that she was all McMurry had, but I say they have done much better without her, so let her say what she wants it has come back to bite her in the end!!!
Sorry I had to fix my mistakes on this thing and I really didn't know how so I will just do it this way
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on December 14, 2005, 08:03:00 AM
I'm surprised :o Coach Briggs hasn't shut her down!  Reporters are looking after themselves, not the players being interviewed.  The Abilene paper is loving any controversy that develops as controversy sells papers.  West is not the first player to move from one team to another within the conference.  Others have made the move with class and sincere affirmations from all.  Statements should be made through performance on the hardwood! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on December 14, 2005, 11:22:11 AM
Alright now, let's not push it.  Yes, controversy sells papers...But let's get real:  D3 Basketball doesn't sell a lot of newspapers in Abilene.

In fact, we ought to all be grateful that the Abilene-Reporter News covers D3 sports like it does...Top story...Front page of sports with picture.  Most D3 teams are relegated to a boxscore.  I.E. Mississippi College.

The reporter put that quote in because it tells the story of the rivalry...He put it in because that quote obviously comes from frustration over a loss...It WASN'T put in to sell papers...Two small universities don't make a newspaper a whole lot of money.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 14, 2005, 02:24:37 PM
In all fairness to Tonya, her comments may sound different in print from what she meant by them, or the Reporter-News may have misquoted her.  For all the rivalry between McM and HSU, there are a lot of contacts and respect between the two programs.  Our assistant coach, Brittany Densman, started out at HSU.  If there's any problem, it's with the paper: to generate "human interest," it tends to focus on individual players, and Sonya is a natural since she got so much attention when she was with McM.  A few years ago, half the paper's coverage of McM-HSU soccer seemed to focus on the HSU goal keeper, Ryan Shaughnessy, whose main appeal was not just that he was very good, but that he was another McM star that transferred teams.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on December 14, 2005, 04:16:23 PM
Yeah, everybody who doesn't think she said that raise your hand..............Not me, she said it and in that context.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on December 14, 2005, 04:37:38 PM
OK Jungle, my feet are back on the ground.  You are right, of course, that Abilene residents are not lining up at the newspaper stands waiting on the next edition to hit the streets!  I got a little carried away.   ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 15, 2005, 10:13:00 PM
No HSU score yet? They are playing tonite, right?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 15, 2005, 11:43:54 PM
Final:

HSU 84

LC   78

Per LC's Sports page...Thursday Dec 15th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 02:10:30 PM
McM 13 LaCollege 4 14:52.  Media Timeout
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 02:18:27 PM
McM 21 LC 6, 12:04 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 02:24:59 PM
McM 25 LC 9 9:54 left.  Media Timeout. Lots of McMurry substitution occurring. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 02:37:02 PM
Kaycee Venekamp has hit her 4th FG on the first half.  She has 11.

Media Timeout.  McM 40, LC 11, 4:25.

McMurry has put up a 15-2 run.  They are executing very well!

Hitting FG15-23, 3FG 2-6, 8-8 on FT.  LC FG 4-21,  FT 3-6.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 02:46:49 PM
McMurry 51 LaCollege 18 at the half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 03:04:16 PM
Halftime stats:

LC--FG 4-29; 3FG 0-5; FT 10-14.  Rebs 19 14 off + 5 def Turnovers, 13 Steals 4 Assists 1

R Clemons leads with 6 points.

McM--FG 19-30; 3FG 2-8; FT 11-13; Rebs 21 7 off + 14 def; Turnovers 7; Assists 12 (Tuttle had 7) steals 7.
Richardosn 16 points and 6 rebs
Venekamp 10 pts on 4 FG's
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 03:05:50 PM
17:24;  McM has scored the 1st 10 points.  McM 61-18.

Venekamp has hit 2 more FG and is up to 15.

Richardson is up to 18 points.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 03:10:21 PM
McM 67 - 20 on a 16-2 run.  14:20 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 03:42:18 PM
Final McM 78, LaCollege 47.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 03:55:02 PM
Final Stats:

LC--J. Brown 15 pts and 7 rebs.
RClemons--11 pts

FG 14-61  3FG 4-15 FT--15-22  Rebs--44 tot; 22 off; 22 def
Turnovers 23

McM-- Richardson 20 points and 8 rebs in limited action;
Venekamp FG  6-6, 3FG 3-3 15pts;
Freshman Allison Nelson season high 10 pts;

Symbri Tuttle- 8 points, 11 assists, 1 turnover.

FG 30-60; 3FG 4-16; FT 14-23; Rebs 43 tot; 14 off  + 29 def.
Turnovers 13, steals 13.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 05:38:59 PM
In the last 5 minutes of the MC-HSU game, HSU led 59-52.  MC went on an 18-3 run and defeated HSU 70-62.

Lady Chocs host McMurry on Monday evening.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 17, 2005, 06:09:39 PM
HPU 54 SRSU 28.  Pretty ugly game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 17, 2005, 06:10:07 PM
That should be quite a game between MC and McM...

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 18, 2005, 02:40:15 PM
The game tomorrow for McM and MC is important. I still feel like McM is improving each week. They did not play their best game against HSU last week, but did play well enough to win. They have to be on against MC and contain Lacey and not get in to foul trouble with the Mississippi officials. It  is different there in the golden dome. HSU contained Lacey but ran out of gas it sounds like in the final minutes. McM cannot let that happen. I think after this game there will be more talk about HPU, they are quietly in the background, winning games and sliding under everyone's radar. Don't be fooled, thats what happened last year and they made their statement by beating everybody and winning the tournament. The season is still early but the stronger teams are emerging. Maybe I will slip down to Brownwood tomorrow and see with my own eyes since I can't be in Mississippi. Play your best Lady Indians, keep smiling and having fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on December 18, 2005, 11:31:20 PM
I was at the MC/HSU game and I don't know if HSU contained Lacey or if they were so busy with her they forgot about the rest of the team. The game tomorrow night should be very good.  A comment on officals - You should be from MS and have to play TX teams with TX officals.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 19, 2005, 01:23:58 AM
Her only 4 points in the HSU game were from free throws, so they either contained her or she wasn't having a good night. She is your leading scorer Millie so I would think some focus would need to be keeping her from scoring. Last year MC would have liked to of had her, am I right? She isn't the whole team, but she is a good player. As for officials, I've been to the golden dome a few times, its sort of like playing at Sul Ross, things happen...its an aura thing, we have our share of stuff in texas from officials. Look at my note from the McM/HSU game, its just an opinion, no body is perfect.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on December 19, 2005, 09:36:50 AM
I actually think Lacey is a better player than she was 2 years ago.  I see more maturity and court awareness.  And don't get me wrong, MC is a much better team with her on the court.  What I saw in Lacey the other night was being a leader and being high scorer are not necessarily the same thing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfnut on December 19, 2005, 02:17:59 PM
I have been reading, but I have not said anything.  I have seen everyone in the west division with the exception of McM and HSU.  It sounds like from the results we are seeing and the margins of victories, the game tonight might very well be a preview of the ASC championship game.  I am a little surprised that UT Tyler has had some troubles in the east, but I am not surprised that MC seems to have turned things around.  I hate to tell you HPU fans this but I think you and HSU will probably be fighting for the two seed in the west.  I know it is early and a lot of things can happen but I was not that impressed with your team this year.  I am still wondering why Mia Daniels is not playing at a higher level.  She is impressive to me. 
Just a note on the polls.  I really don't know who is voting in these polls, I am sure Ralph can answer that, but they need to get out and watch some of these teams they are voting for.  I saw that last years D3 champ, Millikin, got beat by Illinois College.  IC played in the AC tournament at the start of the year and AC beat them pretty easily.  I do not think we are going to see AC ranked in the top 25 this year and IC was not very strong at all.  Millikin was ranked number seven at the time.  I talked to some of the IC parents when they were here and they said IC girls were not used to such physical play which kind of surprised me. 
Well I am signing off for now.  I will be listening to the game tonight.  Merry Christmas to all of you.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 19, 2005, 02:34:38 PM
In the past 5 games Meia Daniels is averaging 22.6 pts 10.8 rebs. and 3.5 steals per game.  What more do you want her to do???

Your ladies caught HPU on the back end of a long road trip after Thanksgiving.  Don't think one game at the first part of the season means you have things well in hand.  McM still has to play HSU at home and has to play HPU two times.  So don't think the conference is decided just yet.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 03:01:14 PM
golfnut, Good to see you back again this year.  It is very hard to measure the women's hoops, even harder than the men.

There is lots of fans' interest in polls and I personally think that it takes the Christmas Holidays to sort the teams out.  Millikin plays in the CCIW which is a respectable conference.  They will probably be gauged very accurately by mid-January.  Defending champs get cut some slack.


QuoteThe D3hoops.com Top 25 is voted on by a panel of 25 coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members from across the country, and is published weekly.

Pat does a very good job of sending extensive lists to the pollsters about the best teams!  By February, the polls are very reliable.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfnut on December 19, 2005, 03:26:34 PM
As usual my first post causes controversy.  Deballa I think you misunderstood what I meant when I said higher level.  I meant she could be playing D2 maybe even D1.  I also think I said in my earlier post, " I know it is early" when I was refering to my evaluation of not just HPU but all of the teams.  I will say that HPU played AC at home, road trip or not, and we had 30 turnovers and shot the ball terrible and you only beat us by 11 or so.  That is not what I have seen in past HPU teams.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 19, 2005, 03:39:10 PM
Well then I definitely did read your message wrong, for that I apologize.  She is a very good player but there are very good players all over this conference and the country.  A lot that could easily be going to school with a full ride. 

As an HPU fan I'm very happy she didn't choose that route :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 19, 2005, 04:57:03 PM
Pat Coleman,

If you read this anytime soon I was looking at the standings and the schedules.  It looks like one of the HPU women's wins isn't being picked up in the conference standings.  I thinking it's that LeTourneau game because it doesn't have the conference notation by it.  Plus their game against UT-Dallas on January 5th is not showing up on the schedule. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 06:43:54 PM
14:20. 

McM  17,  Miss Coll  13.

Carli Engelke has 2 fouls, Richardson has 1 foul.

Jordan for MC has 6-6 on FT's off fouls by McM post players.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 06:52:58 PM
Media Timeout; just under 10 minutes left

McM 20,  Miss Coll 19. McM ball.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 06:58:49 PM
MC 28, McMurry 20, with about 8 minutes left in the half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 07:04:27 PM
MC has put on a 21-6 run.  Miss Coll leads 34-23.   5:12 left in the 1st half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 07:13:45 PM
Richardson gets her 2nd foul with 1:23 left.

Lady Chocs' Baham has had 10 points off the bench.

MC leads by 10.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 07:15:54 PM
Halftime

Miss Coll  35 , McM 27.

McM has only scored 7 points in the last 10 minutes.  They went very cold!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 07:30:50 PM
McM stats:  FG 9-25; 3FG 2-9; FT 7-12.  Rebs 6 off + 11 def = 17 tot.

Lady Chocs 45% on FG.  11-24 on FG.  FT's made- 11. Rebs 19.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 07:44:50 PM
MC scored the first 6 points in the half to take a 41-27 lead.  McM has pulled to within 5 at 45-40.

The Lady Chocs have called a timeout with ?minutes left.

Media timeout...must be under 15 minutes. ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 07:50:26 PM
McM--Richardson drives FG. MC 45-42.
MC--3FG.  MC 48-42
McM--Baham fouls, her 3rd, Lady Chocs 7th. Richardson FT 2-2. MC 48-44.
MC--Smith travels.
McM--Richardson fouled by Smith, her 3rd.  FT  2-2. MC 48-46.  12:12 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 07:57:33 PM
MC-Richardson steals.
McM--11:50 Finstad 3FG.  McM 49-48.
MC--Finstad rebs.
McM--Richardson on her own put-back  McM 51-48. 
MC--Horton fouls. 3rd McM team foul.  Jordan Fg and fouled by Engelke, her 3rd.  FT no good. McM 51-50 10:28.
McM--Richardson fouled by Lewis. FT 2-2. McM  53-50...  Burton for Richardson.  Engelke gets her 4th foul trying to steal. . MC TO
McM--Engelke FG McM 55-50.
MC--9:49. Kennedy turnover shot clock violation.  Media Timeout.

McM has outscored MC 28-9 from the 18th minute to the 9th minute.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 08:00:39 PM
McM-Tuttle 3FG
MC--FG
McM--Venekamp 3FG foul on Chocs by Smith Tuttle FT  2-2, McM leads 63-52.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 08:03:02 PM
MC--Baham FG McM 63-54.
McM--MC rebs
MC--Venekamp rebs
McM--Baham rebs.
MC--White FG  63-56.
McM--Tuttle 3FG rims out, McM ball. 7:19 McM time.

McM has outscored 36-15 in the last 10 minutes.  Led by 11 at 63-52 at 9 minutes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 08:07:52 PM
McM--turnover.
MC--Lewis FG  McM-63-58.
McM--White fouls Horton.  Shooting 2. FT  1-2, McM 64-58.
MC 6:38--6:25, Kennedy misses
McM--Tuttle charges, her 1st foul.
MC--Richardson rebs.
McM--misses
MC--Venekamp rebs.
McM--Finstad misses a 3FG.
MC--5:12, Jordan Fg McM 64-60.
McM--Engelke fouls out.  Media timeout; just under 5 minutes left.

MC has come from 11 down.  MC ball and trailing by 4
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 08:12:22 PM
MC--jump ball called. Refs missed a shot clock violation.
MC--baseline turnover.
McM--Butler in for Engelke. Butler with the putback! 66-60
MC--Jordan putback. 66-62
McM--3:34--turnover
MC--Tuttle rebs
McM--Richardson saves reb. Finstad left handed layup 68-62.
MC timeout 2:35.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 08:15:59 PM
MC--Baham FG;  McM 68-64; 2:10
McM--Butler misses 3FG. Kirkwood stolen by Butler
McM--1:30; Richardson triple-teamed; McM retains jump.
McM--Tuttle 30sec TO on in-bounds.
McM--1:23; McM 68-64. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 08:19:37 PM
McM--Finstad misses 3FG. Kennedy rebs
MC--0:59. White FG  0:43  68-66.
McM--Butler FG and fouled on the shot, Smith fouls out.
FT  no good.  McM 70 -66.  Horton steals the reb and fouled by Kennedy
McM--Horton  FT 1-2. McM  71-66. 0:14.
MC--White misses 3FG. putback good. McM  71-68. 0:04.8 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 08:23:03 PM
McM--Finstad fouled by Lewis. FT  2-2.  McM 73-68. 0:03.3

MC--0:01 left.  3FG by White.

McM wins 73-71.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 08:35:21 PM
Stats:

MC--Kennedy 14; Jordan 16; white 10; Baham 16.
FG  27-52; 3FG 4-8; FT 13-18. Rebs 11 off + 24 def = 35 tot.
TO 21 Steals 7.

McM--Richardson 23; Venekamp 11; Finstad 13; FG 24-55; 3FG 5-20; FT 20-29. Rebs 12 off + 18 def = 30 tot.  TO 15; Steals 8
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 19, 2005, 09:00:36 PM
HPU 74 Southwester 34.  Meia Daniels with 25 pts 8 rebs.  Buker with 13 pts and Hoherts with 10 to round out the double digit scorers.

HPU had 21 steals in the game and forced 30 TO's. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 19, 2005, 09:03:14 PM
What a great game for McM to have to come from behind and charge ahead. It wasn't pretty from what I heard on the radio, but I couldn't "see" everything. Ralph, do you know if this is the best start for McM? I assume it is. Good job ladies, it doesn't matter how ugly a win is, a wise man told me once after a particular ugly game, "A win is forever fabulous".
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 09:14:54 PM
Fanstand, I am away from my records.  I would need to look at the 1999-2000 season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 09:37:02 PM
Fanstand, the Lady Indians went 7-0 in the 1999-2000 season before a loss to NAIA-1 Lubbock Christian.  McM avenged the loss a week later.  They improved to 9-1 before a road loss at ETBU.

http://texnews.com/sports.texnews/mcmhoops.html


McM lost 5 games that year.  Lubbock Christian, ETBU (the ASC-East winner) and HSU once in the regular season, once in the Tourney finals and once in the Sweet 16.

Best start ever.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 20, 2005, 04:29:51 AM
Quote from: dballa on December 19, 2005, 04:57:03 PM
Pat Coleman,

If you read this anytime soon I was looking at the standings and the schedules.  It looks like one of the HPU women's wins isn't being picked up in the conference standings.  I thinking it's that LeTourneau game because it doesn't have the conference notation by it.  Plus their game against UT-Dallas on January 5th is not showing up on the schedule. 

Thanks. We asked for schedules in the offseason because football season prevents us from being able to check last-minute schedules for incorrect info such as that. Unfortunately, neither school provided us with a full schedule in a timely manner.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 20, 2005, 09:17:06 AM
Thanks for updating that Pat.  The HPU SID is new this year and is learning on the run after the last one bailed on them early.  After a few growing pains he'll get it rolling and you should get info in a timely manner. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on December 20, 2005, 09:44:56 AM
I was at the MC/McM game last night and it was definitely worth the price of admission.  Both teams played well and when they were down, neither one gave up.  I have to give credit to Richardson, in the second half when McM came back she found a way to score.  MC is still turning the ball over on missed passes but some of that is coming together as they are learning how each other plays.  It should be an interesting season. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfnut on December 20, 2005, 03:42:09 PM
Millie, I thought your daughter was a senior last year.  You just can't get enough of this can you?  It sounds like you have a pretty good club over there in Clinton.  I hope AC can hang with you this year.  Nice to see someone else from the east is posting.  I think the west also likes to see the east posting so they can get a scouting report.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on December 20, 2005, 04:04:53 PM
I remember both of you, Golfnut and Millie!  It is good to see you both still part of the ASC action!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on December 20, 2005, 04:45:19 PM
Golfnut, my daughter did graduate last year and is in graduate school at Mississippi State where she is a Graduate Assistant/Student Manager for the MSU Lady Bulldogs Basketball Team.  Maybe one of these days she will finally be educated enough to go out and get a real job.  Basketball has been such a part of our lives for so long it's hard to give it up.  If MC continues to meld as a team, they could be a team to contend with.  Hope to see you when AC comes to Clinton.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 21, 2005, 05:16:05 PM
Everybody have a wonderful Christmas and a happy WINNING New Year :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 22, 2005, 10:26:05 AM
Christmas Blessings to one and all!!! Safe travel for all players and coaches going home to their families, and safe returns after. Rest and be merry, come back ready and refreshed. Happy Holidays!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on December 29, 2005, 12:10:58 AM
When the new d3hoops poll comes out will  MC move  up ahead of HSU since the lost to McM was so close?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on December 29, 2005, 12:15:01 AM
Why was HSU ranked 25th and MC  30th after MC defeated HSU anyway?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2005, 09:25:12 AM
Good morning, Millie! :)  I think that it has to do with HSU's reputation.

The Lady Chocs have not made the NCAA playoffs since the establishment of the Pool system in 1998-99.  HSU has had a solid program.  I think that the HSU reputation is keeping them buoyed at #25.

The McMurry win over then #13 HSU was well chronicled as a great cross-town rivalry.  The MC loss on Saturday night gave HSU a weekly record of 1-2 with 3 very tough road games for the polling week (Monday thru Sunday, I think.)  McMurry had been #25 the week before.

MC can float into the Top 25 if they continue to win and teams above them lose.  McMurry only "floated up" 5 places with their win over #13 HSU and the LaCollege road win.  That was primarily because the teams above them lost.  At this time of the season, the only way that teams move up is when a higher team loses.  The pollsters rarely penalize a ranked team that just keeps winning.

IMHO, the ASC is respected as a very good "mid-major".  Until we win several games in the Final Four, we will still have to prove ourselves.  The best ASC team is now #20.  (Next poll will be next week.)  Almost everyone of those Top 25 teams have come from conferences that have won National Championships or have sent teams to the Final Four.  I don't want to keep beating up on 2005 HPU team, but if they had gone to the Elite 8, then I believe that it would have signaled the fact that the ASC is more than a one-trick pony (HSU).  Couple a good performance by HPU in 2005 with what I hope is a great McMurry 2006 season, then the ASC will be seen as having some depth, as the football voters recognize.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: intern on December 29, 2005, 06:25:56 PM
McMurry beats La Verne 80-61. Indians came out a little flat in the first half, but hit 4 straight 3's (from Venekamp and Sawyer) to open the second half.

"Typical post-holiday game"

Go Indians!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 30, 2005, 06:13:49 PM
McMurry 10-0. Word came in they won today by 17. 71 to 54, I think. It was REAL ugly. Four starters in double figures, double-double by Carli and Tarra, fouls were 10-4 Mcmurry leading in that category in the second half. Heard lots of elbows and knees, but that will make us stronger. Way to go ladies!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 30, 2005, 06:26:34 PM
I hope y'all are doing some fun things in California besides winning basketball games...!   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2005, 08:30:53 PM
fanstand, I got a similar report about the physical nature of play in the Redlands game vs. the Lady Indians.

I heard we played great defense and Redlands had zero offensive rebounds in the first half.

We gotta get ready for AC!

Travel safely. Ladies!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 01, 2006, 01:11:17 AM
Saturday Final:

HSU      92

Texas Wesleyan 71

Happy New Year Everyone!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 03, 2006, 07:21:11 PM
The ETBU Lady Tigers are well on their way to collecting their third non-conference win with a comfortable 37-17 half-time lead against in town rival Wiley.  A win would run their record to 6-3(3-3).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 03, 2006, 10:35:56 PM
Nice to see McMurry Ladies move up to #18. Austin College and the Ozarks will not be push overs by any means. We cannot look ahead to the HPU game. I know we will be ready. I am looking forward to seeing the girls play, seems like it has been a month since I got to SEE a game. HSU only dropped one spot, but thats good for the ASC, right Ralph?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 03, 2006, 11:34:39 PM
ETBU dominates Wily 81-46.  The Lady Tigers were led by freshmen Mary Slaughter of Athens, Louisiana, who had 18 points and 15 rebounds. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2006, 05:38:35 PM
fanstand, I agree with you.  The voters think that we have at least 2 good teams (HSU hanging in there 13 votes out at "#26"),  and MC and Trinity are also in the "receiving votes" category.

If I am going by the "form chart", I see that HSU has 8 games until the McMurry rematch.  They play at HPU; all of the others should definitely be winnable.

If McM and HSU go on a run, they might climb some more. :)

Gotta get by HPU tho'!

As a measure of consolidation around a core 25 teams, I see only 225 votes left over from the top 25 vote getters.  When you consider that a voter has a ballot with 25 places on it 1-25, s/he has 325 votes to cast (1+2+3+...+25=325).  7900 of the total 8125 votes were cast for the Top 25 vote getters.  That is coefficient of .97230. (97.230% of the votes going to the Top 25 votegetters.)

The Top 25 is getting more consistent through the season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2006, 12:07:10 AM
Simpson 64 #23 Luther 32!

HSU might creep back into the Top 25 next week!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1fan on January 05, 2006, 07:29:25 PM
Does anyone know the score for the Austin College-McMurry game?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2006, 07:40:10 PM
The server is not broadcasting the game.  I have tried calling my sources.  I will post whenever I hear something.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1fan on January 05, 2006, 08:05:30 PM
Thank you!!! I guess since school is out no one is there to do it-- I have emailed but haven't had a response.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 05, 2006, 08:16:41 PM
Thursday final:

HSU  92

Ozarks 70
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 05, 2006, 08:21:12 PM
McMurry just beat Austin College 80-50.  They were pretty sloppy at the start, but by the end Sam had everyone on the bench in the game playing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 05, 2006, 08:25:03 PM
Yes HSU will get back into the polls next week.
And yes they must prove if they are good enough for the post season by first beating HPU.  Possible but has to be seen.  They could have a great game with McM at home.  But then there is the conference playoff.  They have to win that to make the playoffs.  For now the only team that could lose the conference and make the playoff is MCM.

By the way though I am in California I cheered greatly the Texas win last night.  Living in northern cal gives you an extreme distaste for anything from the south.
We say with some affection that USC stands for university of spoiled children.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2006, 08:28:16 PM
It was very easy to be a UT fan last pm.  I got tired of all of the celebrity-cum-football player hype.

The real truth is that Vince Young took a Texas team that trailed by 12 points with 5 minutes left and smash-mouthed USC in their own backyard! :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2006, 08:28:49 PM
McM fan, please keep the updates coming!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 05, 2006, 08:50:15 PM
Follow up on the polls.  So far this week four top 25 teams have lost a game.  Lots of room for upward movement.


I only watched the last 11 minutes of last nights game (church night) but that was all I needed to see of the texas quarterback.  Even my daughters who never watch football were amazed by him.  They later consoled their friends who are all big USC fans.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 05, 2006, 09:22:51 PM
ETBU women get a road win againt UMHB.  Lady Tigers are now 7-3 (4-3).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 05, 2006, 09:41:24 PM
calhsu,
You need to get your priorities straight.  We have choir practice at our church Wednesday evenings, but we changed the time to 5:30 instead of 7:00!   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 05, 2006, 10:58:12 PM
HPU beat UTD pretty easily tonight...HPU 74 UTD 55

UTD was pretty scrappy and hit a lot of shots early on tonight but HPU turned on the D and turned it into a runaway.

I do know Daniels had 26 pts and Blalock had 22 pts to lead the way for the Lady Jackets.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 05, 2006, 11:41:19 PM
Good win for the ladies tonite. Tarra had 28 points, Symbri had 10 assists, Carli 10 points. Everybody played some good minutes. The freshman are really coming along and the upper class are looking good. Tarra was tripled team and still scored. The game was slow at first but once we get in the groove they are hard to stop. Rock on ladies.....11-0.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on January 05, 2006, 11:54:40 PM
O where O where would HSU be if West hadn't transferred, all the articles I have seen on HSU have been about her. Does the rest of the team like that? Even when she isn't the high scorer seems like its all about her. Just a thought.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 06, 2006, 12:04:52 PM
Trying to stir up the HSU locker room?  Well it seems that her remark that was in the paper concerning MCM,  I'd rather lose with HSU than win with MCMurry," could be just as much about how she feels accepted at HSU as it does about not having fond memories of the Indians.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 06, 2006, 12:48:20 PM
matalk,
Some of the impression you have about Sonya has, I think, nothing to do with Sonya but a lot to do with how the local Abilene paper writes its sports stories, as I mentioned in an earlier post.  The paper tends to focus on some player as "human intrest" and then follows him or her throughout the season.  A few years ago, it was the HSU men's soccer goalie, who transferred from McM.  No matter how the team did, even if they got beaten by McM, the paper's articles interviewed Ryan, the goalie.  Something of the same thing happened with our football quarterback this past season.  This year, the featured women's basketball player appears to be Sonya, whether she wants the attention or not.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on January 06, 2006, 02:11:02 PM
Maybe so Mcmfan but I know there are some local girls on that team that don't get to be quoted very often and they play well.  HSU would be struggling without her, so I guess all the attention is warranted. I'm glad she's there. McM played without her last year and did fine, they are on a roll this year without her, so HSU obviously needs her more and that's where she wants to be. We'll just keep Maigen and Coach Densman the transfers from HSU over at McM!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 06, 2006, 07:57:50 PM
Tomorrow's game with the Ozarks is huge. If we win and move on to 12-0 it sets up the showdown with HPU. I hope are girls are taking it one game at a time, take care of the Ozarks, I really would like to see our shot percentage come up a little, though what we are doing right now seems to be working. Nice article in today's paper about the team and Coach Nichols. (I don't know how to put up the web thing)Techno-tarded as I am, I do good just to type. Good luck Lady Indians..........
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2006, 08:12:21 PM
fanstand, here is the McM/AC article. :)

http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_lc_mcmurry_univ/article/0,1874,ABIL_8787_4367428,00.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 02:14:39 PM
Media Timeout-- 14:47;  UOz 10, McM 6
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 02:22:20 PM
Media Timeout -- UOz 22 McM 14, 9:41 left.

McM has subbed very freely.  McMurry has used 10 players so far.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 02:27:49 PM
UOz 22-21.  8:01.  McMurry had a good 7-0 run with the second wave players.  Starters have re-entered.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 02:44:06 PM
Halftime  UOz 35  McM 29.

Mandi Carter and LaTisha McAlister have 31 points for the Lady Eagles.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 03:01:45 PM
McM leads 38-35 on 3 (HSU Transfer) Maigen Sawyer 3FG's! 17:40 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 03:13:35 PM
McM 45 UOz 44; 12:30.
UOz--Carter layup  UOz 46-45.
McM--Burton FG  McM 47-46.
UOz--Carter FG  UOz 48-47
McM--miss
UOz--OOB
McM--11:18; Allison Nelson FG McM 49-48.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 03:17:00 PM
McM by 1, 49-48.  9:16 left.

McMurry is getting good minutes off the bench today!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 03:24:55 PM
Media Timeout--4:53 McM leading and Tuttle is at the Foul Line.

McM--Tuttle FT  2-2. McM 61-56.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 03:34:14 PM
McM time out, 2:47 left. McM leads,   McM  leads by 6.

UOz--Sawyer knocks ball away. UOz ball, Engleke rebs and is fouled.
McM--Engelke misses the first end of 1&1.
UOz--Carter rebs the miss
Uoz--Horton steals the ball for McM and is fouled on the layup attempt. FT  2-2.   McM 68-60.  1:42.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 03:39:20 PM
McM -- Tuttle FT 1-2. 1:17.  UOz 69-60. McM's Horton gets the loose ball.
McM-- Tuttle  FT  2-2. McM  71-60. 1:08
UOz--Engelke rebs and fouled
McM--Engelke FT  2-2, McM  73-60. 0:48
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 03:41:49 PM
McM--Horton FT 1-2,  McM 74-63.

McM--dribbles to end the game!

McM  74 UOz 63.

I am very encouraged by the depth that Coach Nichols and Coach Densman are developing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 03:59:26 PM
UOz stats:
Carter 13-16 FG 26 pts.
McAlister 19 pts 8-19 FG 8 rebs
Eneks 8 pts 3-17 FG.
Nietert 5; Kimball 3 Briggs 2.

FG 28-68; 3FG  5-23; FT 2-2; Rebs 12 off; 22 def 34 tot.
TO's 16; Steals 10; Blocks 2.

McM--all players who suited up played and the Lady Indians got great minutes from freshman Allsion Nelson, freshman Amber Horton,  freshman Jabri Butler and junior Dee Dee Burton off the bench.

Sawyer 17 pts; FG 6-11; 3FG 4-7; 4rebs
Tuttle 10 pts; 5 rebs 8 assists and 4 TO's
Richardson 10 pts 5 rebs
Freshman Allison Nelson 10 pts FG 3-3, Ft 3-4.
Horton 8 and 3 steals;
Engelke 7,
Burton 5.
FG 22-52; 3FG 7-18; FT 23-31; Rebs 13 off; 28 def 41 tot.
Turnovers 18 assists 19 steals 11.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 07, 2006, 04:00:43 PM
Final:

HSU    68

AC      47

Way to overcome a slow start, Cowgirls! :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 07, 2006, 06:04:53 PM
HPU 72 UTTyler 61

It was a really good competitive game throughout.  HPU would get a 6 or 8 point lead then Tyler would cut it to 2 or get it tied then HPU would jump out to a good lead again.

Sets up a huge game Thursday against McM.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on January 08, 2006, 02:22:07 PM
deballa,  The basketball stars are all in agreement that Thursday's game at HPU with McMurry University women should be one of the real good ones of the year.  HPU has one loss and McMurry will bring a clean record into Brownwood.  HPU is a tough place to play at all times.  With the importance of this game to HPU, McMurry can expect a max effort on the part of Lady Jackets.  I would expect both teams games to rise to meet the challange. 

Coach Nichols played all his players aganist U of O Saturday.  8 or 9 players played close to 10 minutes or more and contributed well.
The Lady Indians should come into HPU rested and, most important, alert and focused for this contest.





Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2006, 02:34:34 PM
bcal, good point.  Coach Nichols played everyone less than 25 minutes except Symbri Tuttle who makes the offense work.

I was glad to see that Richardson and Engelke only played 23 minutes.  That means that the younger posts got some good time.

Here is the box score.

http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/mcozark2.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 09, 2006, 09:21:42 PM
Is it Thursday yet? I'm ready to get it going. Ready for predictions. McM has to win this game! Why? Several reasons. #1 - We owe HPU.....last year's scores 72-55, 56-41, 75-49. #2 - I DO NOT want to hear the "overrated" chant for my girls.  #3 - What a sweet victory for Coach Nichols to be #600 at HPU.  The season is not riding on this game, but it sure will make for believers out of everyone who thinks we aren't for real. Work hard this week girls, get up for this game like you do for HSU. They are the conference champs from last year and we want to be the conference champs this year!!!!!!!!!!Remember who beat us in the tourney, its our turn!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on January 10, 2006, 12:36:06 PM
10 and 0 McMurry vs 9 and 1 HPU, at Brownwood, Thursday at 5:30.  Both teams should bring their "A" games for this one.  Rivals which have history and a close ASC West race.  How sweet it is!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 11, 2006, 02:58:06 PM
I may just have to drive on down to Browntown for this one.  Of course, I will need to drive a little more and eat at the Hard 8 in Brady.  Some like Underwoods but there is nothing like the Hard 8 for BBQ!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on January 11, 2006, 11:55:16 PM
I predict a high scoring game tomorrow night. A high score to me would be in McM favor, a low scoring game might favor HPU, but I think McM has too many weapons and depth. If the coaches keep their cools and the officials call a good game, I think McM by 5 in a low scoring game and 10 in high scoring game. If McM cold on the outside or foul trouble for posts, then maybe HPU could pull it out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 12, 2006, 09:51:44 AM
Is it 5:30 yet??? this day is going to drag on and on.  Should be a lot of fun tonight.  If you can't make it there check out the McMurry website or HPU website for links to listen to the game. 

Any fans with kids in grade school in Brown County, your kids will get in free tonight as well as to the games on Saturday against HSU.

GO LADY JACKETS!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 12, 2006, 12:17:51 PM
A nice article about the McM women in today's Abilene Reporter-News.  Hopefully the pre-game publicity won't jinx the team, like teams getting on the cover of Sports Illustrated and then crashing.  The article is online at
http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_lc_mcmurry_univ/article/0,1874,ABIL_8787_4381779,00.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 12, 2006, 02:39:25 PM
I don't know about that because last night on one of the local stations  had Coach K and Heather Hohertz on their sports cast talking about the game, so everybody got a little publicity. 4 hours till tip off, yes dballa, it's been a slow day.....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 06:47:29 PM
Back from Media Timeout -- McM 13 HPU 4. 14+ minutes.

McM is off to a good start.  Sawyer has hit FT's and has 9 of the 13 points.

HPU in 2-3 zone.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 06:55:41 PM
McM--Venekamp 3FG McM- 16-7.
HPU--Tarra rebs.
McM--Tarra recovers a loose ball and scores 18-7.
HPU--McM fouls, Engelke . 9:17. Media timeout.  McM leads, 18-7
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 07:05:46 PM
Media Timeout-- McM 23 HPU 12.  4:53 left.

Great play by Dee Dee Burton.  She has blocked on shot, picked up a HPU block and then found Maigen Sawyer who drove for a basket and foul.

Playing Allison Nelson and Dee Dee Burton!

Richardson is getting a breather!  Great McM depth!

McM--25 HPU 12.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 07:14:43 PM
3:56 left. HPU Hoffman fouls Burton, FT 1-2. McM 26-14.
HPU--Hoffman fouled by Burton. FT 2 -2.  McM 26-16.
McM--Richardson back in for Burton.  Sawyer 3FG. 29-16.
HPU--Tarra, her 2nd foul.  Blalock FT 2-2;  29-18
McM--Engelke for Tarra, HPU rebs.
HPU--Nelson rebs.
McM--2:28; Engelke misses, HPU rebs.
HPU--turnover 1:59
McM--Jabri Butler in for Engelke. Sawyer FG but fouled shooting FT  1-2. McM 30-18.
HPU--Nelson rebs.
McM--Allison Nelson FT 0-1. McM 30-18.
HPU--Hohertz FG and fouled by Tuttle, Ft good.  McM 30-21
McM--Butler did not get the shot off in time.
HPU-McM Sawyer steals and lay-up. McM 32-21.
HPU--Nelson rebs.
Half McM 32-21.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 07:24:26 PM
Stats
HPU--FG 4-25, 3FG 0-9; FT 13-15; Rebs 18 (2 off 16 def)
Daniels 9 Blalock 4.

McM--FG 11-30; 3FG 3-8; FT 7-10; Rebs 26 (8 off 18 def).

Sawyer 20 pts over the zone.  Tarra 6; Burton 3 Finstad 3.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 07:36:08 PM
McM--Tarra 3 pt play (blaylock gets her 3rd foul.)
McM--Engelke FG  37-21.
HPU--oob
McM--Daniels rebs. Engelke fouls.
HPU--travels
McM--tied up McM possession.
McM--
HPU--Buker layup 37-3-23
McM--Tarra FG 
HPU--Venekamp rebs.
McM--Engelke FG. McM 41-23.   9-2 run 16:23 left.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 07:41:57 PM
McM--Dee Dee Burton, a reb and a 3FG 46-23!
HPU--McM-'s Burton her 3rd foul 13:30 left.  Media Timeout

McM foul trouble--Richardson 3; Engelke 4 Burton 3;
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 07:46:50 PM
McM--Burton FG 48-23
HPU--McM Venekamp fouls; Venekamp steals and misses.
...............................
HPU--McM Butler fouls. Blalock 1&1 both 48-27.
...........................
HPU--Burton fouls her 4th.  Daniels misses the FT after the FG.
McM--time 11:53.  48-29.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 07:51:26 PM
McM--Burton FG
HPU--TO
McM--Sawyer fouled by Pippins.  FT  0-3! McM 50-29.
HPU--Nelson fouls Pippins. FT 2-2.  McM  50-31.
McM--Pippins rebs.
HPU--Burton rebs.
McM--Hohertz rebs.
HPU--Buker layup
McM--oob  9:47.  McM 50-33.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 08:01:06 PM
McM--playing plenty of freshmen. Shot clock violation
HPU--Tarra steals.
McM--Tuttle FG 52-33
HPU--Finstad fouls (10th of the half). Daniels FT 0-1; 8:34. McM 52-34.
McM--Horton charges on a drive. 8:15
HPU--Tuttle steals
McM--Blalock rebs.
HPU--7:45; oob Richardson. Blalock FG  52-36.
McM--7:20; Richardson misses.
HPU--traveling Daniels
McM--Sawyer FG 54-36.
HPU--6:30 Venekamp rebs.
McM--Engelke FG 56-36
HPU--6:05; Engelke rebs.
McM--Pippins rebs but baseline call. 5:32
McM--Richardson FG 58-36
HPU--Richardson fouls Hoffman FG FT good 58-39.
McM--Richardson FG 60-39.
HPU--1st 3FG made 60-42.
McM--Venekamp rebs, oob 4:18
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 08:06:43 PM
HPU--Blalock FG 60-44
McM--4:00; Sawyer 22 Richardson 15 Engelke 6 pt but 15 rebs. Burton 10 points.
McM--Hohertz fouls, the 4th of the half.
McM--Sawyer travels
HPU--3:40 oob on McM defense.
HPU--Richardson rebs.
McM--3:14--Richardson FG
HPU--2:45. Daniels layup. 62-46
McM--2:20  Engelke misses. HPU rebs.
HPU--Richardson rebs
McM--Richardson FG.  64-46. 1:37
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 08:09:45 PM
HPU--Hoffman FG  64-48.
McM--misses
HPU--Tuttle rebs.
McM--Jump ball.
HPU--Engelke rebs.

Final McM 64 HPU 48.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 12, 2006, 08:18:51 PM
Final:

HSU   75

SRSU  61
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 12, 2006, 08:20:24 PM
Wow! Way to go McM...great win on the road against the defending conference champs.  Don't get complacent...keep grinding and working hard.  Congrats!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 08:24:41 PM
Stats:

HPU--Daniels 19; Blalock 10; Hoffman 9
FG 12-47; 3FG 1-17; FT 21-25; Rebs 34 17 turnovers.

McM--Sawyer 22; Tarra Richardson 19 pts/6 rebs; Burton 10 pts/ 4 Rebs; Engelke 6 pts/15 rebs;  Tuttle 2 pts and 10 assists; FG 26-61; 3FG 4-11; FT 81-4; Rebs 44; TO 13; Assists 15
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 12, 2006, 08:46:18 PM
Congratulations, McM Indians!  But don't forget... classes resume on Monday!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on January 12, 2006, 09:36:04 PM
BIG win for Coach Sam Nichols, win number 600!!!

BIG win for the team, 13 & 0 aganist a good HPU team.

Sul Ross at Alpine on Saturday night.  Keep it going. 

Alacumba!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 12, 2006, 10:29:39 PM
ETBU bounces back from a dissapointing loss at Letournea tuesday, as they roll Louisiana Colelge in Marshall, though I can't recall the final.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 12, 2006, 11:01:09 PM
Congrats to McM tonight on a good win.  HPU just shot horrible all night long.  Missed way too many open shots and didn't block out giving McM a lot of 2nd chance opportunities.  HPU definitely should have lost tonight but that score shouldn't have been 16.  Sawyer had one heck of a night, I hope Nichols gave her a big hug after the game :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 12, 2006, 11:50:49 PM
Congratulations McM!  To spank HPU so convincingly in the Browntown Mausoleum is quite a testimony to your strength.  That is one tough place to play but you certainly did it up right!

Ralph, it looks like your girls are for real! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 13, 2006, 01:37:00 AM
Good game tonight for the L.I.B. I never could relax the whole game, thinking HPU could get back in it. We played great defense all night long. The depth of this team is what helps and the unselfish play of the players makes all the difference. Great job and what a special night for Coach Nichols, with a special group of young ladies. Keep working hard and smiling big...............13 and 0!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 13, 2006, 11:27:29 AM
Saturday's game for HSU and HPU is very critical. Mainly because both need to win a big game to restore confidence. If the Cowgirls could win they have only home games with MCM and HPU.  But McM is not going to lose two conference games so they are a lock for the regular season championship.   Right now it is all about the conference playoffs.  McM could lose in the playoffs and still go to the big dance.  All the rest except MC have to win the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 13, 2006, 12:32:03 PM
Simply looking at the performances of HPU and HSU so far this season I find it hard to believe that HPU will lose to HSU at home.  HSU fans can only hope the Jackets will perform as poorly as they did against McM or the Cowgirls will perform as brilliantly as McM did against HPU.  Since I did not make the game I don't know who gets the credit, or the blame, for the results.  Dballa thinks it was HPU's poor performance.  Fanstand thinks it was McM brilliance.  Either way, back-to-back losses in the Mausoleum are not likely.  HPU will probably bounce back and HSU has not shown any reason to put a great deal of confidence in them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 13, 2006, 12:38:35 PM
Now don't put words in my mouth :) I did say HPU should have lost that game because McMurry did come out fired up and ready to go.

Shooting 16% in a half will make you lose just about any game unless it's a jr high game.  HPU missed so many open shots you would have thought it was played on a neutral court. 

They most likely will bounce back against HSU and shoot a better percentage but both the defense and offense will have to perform well in order to pick up a win and keep that 2nd place spot.  Should be a fun game on Saturday.  Hopefully a lot more fun than watching a 26% shooting performance.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 13, 2006, 06:21:17 PM
HPU had 21 points on free throws. Did McM foul that much? I was there and it was a little one sided, but the officials were not the deciding factor in the game. When you only have 2 assists and shoot 26%, you are not going to win. I think HPU will rebound against HSU. The key to last night, was McM was relaxed and HPU was feeling the pressure. I think HPU will relax against HSU and HSU will feel the pressure. The target has shifted to the back of the McM Lady Indians, now everyone will be gunning for them. As long as they stay loose and focused and play their style of B-ball they should win the West. HPU and HSU should both have no trouble getting to the tourney. The 4th place team could be Schreiner or any of the other teams. No let down L.I.B., Sul Ross' court does some crazy things..........
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 14, 2006, 03:52:04 PM
Half: 

HPU over HSU 21-15
.............................................

Final:

HSU over HPU  51-48
............................................................

Late in the game the score was 46-37 HPU!!!

Unbelievable comeback!!!

Congratulations to the Cowgirls!!! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 14, 2006, 04:49:21 PM
It might be noted in the HSU victory that Sonja West wasn't much of a factor because of back problems -- and the Cowgirls managed to pull off the win anyway.  This is not a one-player team, as some posters seem to think.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 14, 2006, 05:09:34 PM
McM wins again...74-52 over SRSU...glad to get that road trip over with.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 14, 2006, 06:16:53 PM
I just can't explain the shooting woes that HPU is going through right now.  They are getting so many open shots and not converting. Plus today they had at least 6 or 7 that just rolled around the rim and went out.  Very unfortunate.  Definitely a game that shouldn't have been lost.  Take away my karma points for what i'm saying i don't care, but thats a game HPU shouldn't have lost.

Maybe a few road games will help them get their focus back.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 14, 2006, 09:35:14 PM
Quote from: dsc on January 14, 2006, 03:52:04 PM
Final:

HSU over HPU  51-48
............................................................

Late in the game the score was 46-37 HPU!!!

Unbelievable comeback!!!

Congratulations to the Cowgirls!!! :)

Amazing!  Congratulations Cowgirls!  I would love to say I believed in you all along but I had huge faith issues! 

This HSU team is hard to predict.  That HPU team is too!  In years past I always felt the deciding factor between the two was coaching but I think that went out the window last year.  For those of you who were at the game (s), is Dballa's perspective that the losses should be attributed to HPU's poor shooting right on target or is something else at play here?  Is coaching, conditioning, heart, hustle, confidence, discipline, or anything else an obvious factor.

McM is the team to beat.  HSU and HPU are going to fight to the end for that second place in the west!  Should be an exciting finish to the regular season!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 14, 2006, 10:53:41 PM
Way to go, Lady Indians!

Great game by everyone!  Good minutes from all players.

I was pleased with the team play that we saw from the myriad of combinations that Coaches Nichols and Densman put on the floor.

The stats do not reflect all of the performances, including steals, turnovers and assists, so McMurry fans, don't read too much into the stat sheet.

The team should be happy with the progress that they are making.  As good as this win feels, each player knows what she needs to do to improve...more "lift" on your shots and free throws, crisper passes, better position on rebounding and defense.

Get back into the routine of classes and ball next week.  One game at a time!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 15, 2006, 12:24:01 AM
The season has come down to four  teams.  HPU is in real trouble.  MC and MCM are a lock for the regular season championships.  HSU has to beat the two teams it lost to.   The game at home against McMurry is only about pride.  Even if HSU wins they have two conference losses.  For HSU it would be a confidence builder.  A loss for the Indians  is only important for a perfect season.
It is all about the playoffs.

Is it to early to say I was right in the begining of the season about the haves an have nots.   The top four teams are untouched in both conferences.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 15, 2006, 06:48:42 PM
I will agree with Dballa's view of the game. I have never seen HPU shoot that bad before. A lot of open looks were missed and like he said some were going in and rimmed out. If the girls had hit shots the game agaisnt McMurry would have been competitive and if they had hit shots agaisnt Hardin-Simmons they would have won. I think they hit a grand total of 2 three pointers in the two games behind. But the bright side is we still have time before the conference tourney to find our touch.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 15, 2006, 06:53:55 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on January 15, 2006, 06:48:42 PM
I will agree with Dballa's view of the game. I have never seen HPU shoot that bad before. A lot of open looks were missed and like he said some were going in and rimmed out. If the girls had hit shots the game agaisnt McMurry would have been competitive and if they had hit shots agaisnt Hardin-Simmons they would have won. I think they hit a grand total of 2 three pointers in the two games COMBINED. But the bright side is we still have time before the conference tourney to find our touch.
Sorry about the confusion
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2006, 08:42:33 PM
How about mid-season assessments.

I think that we have 3 of the Top 6 South Region teams, McM, Miss Coll, and HSU.  The women's selection committee will rank the top 6 women's teams. (The men will rank 8.)

Who will be the four ASC tourney participants from each division?

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2006, 11:34:42 PM
How about this ASC fans!

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=6

McM #1
MC  #2
HSU #14
HPU #29

Kinda fun what a computer program can spit out! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 17, 2006, 12:28:44 AM
Wow, that's pretty awesome. Kind of scary though. This is a time we could get relaxed and feel pretty good. We cannot afford to let our guard down or rest on our laurels.  I hope the Lady Indians continue to work hard and not change their work out habits.  This part of our schedule may look easy, but I am not relaxed about any game. We must bring it every time we step on the floor. We must continue to push each other and strive to get even better. I know some teams let up thinking they are coasting, but as we approach tournament time, we must be hungry. A record breaking year, the best ever is what we should be shooting for. Good Luck and work hard ladies, it's yours for the taking.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 17, 2006, 10:47:37 AM
Can't fool me.  Dr. Massey must be some computer teacher at McMurry.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 17, 2006, 01:36:19 PM
What concerns me about the ASC teams, good as they are, is that they are pretty much playing only conference games.  The Masseys are very much subject to what I call the "WIAC effect" in this situation.

I think McM is the class of the state this year, but would like their postseason chances better if they were able to play some serious non-conference contenders.  Kudos for the trip to California, but those two games, and a game against SCAC mid-pack Southwestern,  are it.  The ASC schedule doesn't allow for a lot of non-conference play, and it's too bad that it costs so much for our teams to head up to the midwest or back east in order to play some of that stiff outside competition.  Compare, say, DePauw's non-conference schedule, to McM's.  DPU's only loss is by 1 point at 13-1 Washington U, a perennial championship contender.  They have lots of other wins against good D3 teams.  It helps being in the middle of the country, doesn't it?

I have read on a couple of boards that some teams let themselves get slaughtered by D-I teams in order to fund some of this travel in future years. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 17, 2006, 03:51:02 PM
Since the winner of the west doesn't host the conference tournament this year, winning the division has little payoff except seeding.  And with several closely-matched teams, that's not a big deal, either.  Last year, McM was 3rd seed in the west but still got to the tournament final.  So, while I would LOVE McM to remain undefeated, all I really care about is winning those three final tournament games.  Go Indians!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 17, 2006, 04:45:08 PM
Significant momentum going into the tournament would be another great benefit of winning your last regular season games.  Losses hurt!  Go by an HPU practice this week and ask them just how challenging it is to deal with the emotions of back-to-back losses at home!  The defending conference champs allowed the best home court advantage in the West to be lost last week.  Now they have to play teams that beat them in the Mausoleum on their home courts.  Momentum has certainly swung! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 17, 2006, 05:15:14 PM
They did win in Brownwood, but wasn't the same home crowd as in past games.  1500 people for the games combined instead of the normal 1800 to 2300 at a single HPU/McM HPU/HSU game in Brownwood isn't going to be as big a factor especially when half of that crowd is from the visiting team. 
So it wasn't quite the home court advantage as it usually is.  But don't forget HPU also blew out McMurry on their home court last year as well as winning easily in all their games in the conference tourney on HSU's floor. 

Once HPU gets their scoring back in line with how it was in the first semester they'll be right back in the race. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2006, 06:14:12 PM
dballa, HPU plays at McM on Feb 9th, at HSU on Feb 11th and at SRSU on Feb 13th.  That is a tough road trip even if you are spending a couple of nights in your own bed!

The legs might get you in Sul Ross, altho' they will have made the "same" road trip...at HSU at McM and then back to Alpine.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 17, 2006, 08:34:11 PM
Even momentum can be misleading.  McM lost its last three regular season games a year ago, to HPU away but to UMHB and Concordia at home.  Yet we bounced back in the conference tournament.  (Of course, some of this was because Coach Nichols didn't play Tuttle, who was injured, in those losing games, giving her more recovery time for the tournament; and I remember HSU lost one of their starters to injury in the tournament game before they played us, so they were lacking her).  HPU looked unstoppable in the tournament and then lost to Trinity in the Mausoleum.   I think McM, HSU, and HPU are closely enough matched right now that, assuming they all make it to the tournament without major injuries, anything can happen.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 17, 2006, 08:54:04 PM
Ralph I think they have enough stamina to last through all 3 of those games, at least to play defense well.  It's just a matter of HPU stepping up and hitting shots.  Against HSU they had a lot of them roll in and out of the rim, which is unfortunate.

HPU should win easily out in Alpine and if they win one of the games in Abilene, hopefully both coming from this point of view, then they should be ready to play well in the conference tournament.  But those games are a long ways off.  They still have 6 games before that weekend comes up and have to play well in all 6 to be ready to go to Abilene and compete.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2006, 08:56:38 PM
dballa, the key is to try to catch MissColl in the Finals.  However, MC is going to have to face 2 of those 3 in the Tourney.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 17, 2006, 09:09:40 PM
I don't know I think I would rather play them in the 2nd round game.  You would already have experience from the first game and be comfortable with the setting but MC wouldn't have the moment of 2 straight wins in the tourney, kind of like HPU did last year when they played McMurry.  Once they got rolling nobody was going to stop them in the tournament.  You catch them early and there's a better chance of catching them offguard.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 17, 2006, 11:21:38 PM
I believe the home court advantage in Browntown has little to do with the crowd but more with the poor facility.  Most ASC teams play in well-lit gymnasiums with good, solid flooring and goals that are mounted to the walls, not in a dark, dingy building with a temporary floor and goals held in place with 55 gallon drums.  Shooting the ball has to be tough with depth perception issues playing in that Mausolem.  HPU practices in that facility daily so they have a real advantage over a team that plays there once a season.  Both McM and HSU must be feeling good about their chances of taking their home games against HPU this season. 

And why are you slamming my Karma points?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 17, 2006, 11:37:11 PM
I didn't know HSU's goals were mounted to the wall and didn't know the lighting in McMurry was top quality but whatever you say.  If you're telling me HPU's crowds have nothing to do with their homecourt advantage you've lost your mind.  Ask any player who has shot a free throw in the 2nd half when the student section was sitting behind the goal. 

MC's court has the same depth perception with their high roof...

oh and how many D1 or D2 schools have their goals mounted to the wall? what does that have to do with anything anyways?  Go ahead and break out a copy of Hoosiers if you want and check out the scene where the measure the height of the goal and distance to the free throw line.  It's all the same.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 18, 2006, 12:20:50 AM
Mounted to the walls or hanging from the ceilings, whatever.  Take a chill pill and don't be so defensive over your 55 gallon drums!

The point I attempted to make is that the Mausoleum is a tough place to play and not simply because of the noise the students make.  I would venture to say that most would agree that the Jackets have a huge home court advantage because of the facility itself.  There is a reason it is referred to as the Mausoleum.  To lose back-to-back home games with such a huge home court advantage has to take its toll.

Now, give me some positive karma, please!  :-*
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2006, 12:21:30 AM
 :D :D :D :D :D :D

dballa, it's the Brownwood Mausoleum!  I was probably watching McM-HPU basketball in that facility before you were born!   :D :D :D :D :D

I think that that same light bulb is still burning!   Wow!  It's gotta be in The Guinness' Book of Records!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2006, 12:25:10 AM
 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

That single solitary light bulb.... It's such a dedicated little light bulb!  It just does its job, every night since the Nixon Administration!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

ROTFLMAO  :D :D :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2006, 12:29:47 AM
Okay, how old are the facilities?

McMurry- Kimbrell Arena, 1973, when Coach Ron Holmes was a freshman.
SRSU--The "Pete P" Gallego Center--  ?2002?
HSU--??
UMHB--2005
Schreiner--???
TLU--???
CUA--???
HPU---???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 18, 2006, 12:34:23 AM
That's why you're our hero around here, Ralph.  You actually remember things back in the Nixon administration!   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 18, 2006, 12:37:45 AM
I wasn't being defensive just making my point as you were.  
Ralph the Coliseum is only 11 yrs older than Kimbrell which was built 3 yrs before I was born so I'm sure you were checkin out games there as well :)


And like I said about the home court.  When it's a full crowd it's a completely different environment.  If you've been to a game with a large crowd and one with only a couple hundred people you definitely would know the difference.  Being an HSU fan I would think you would know that.  The crowd can pump up the home team and get in the mind of the visiting team.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 18, 2006, 12:38:36 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2006, 12:29:47 AM
Okay, how old are the facilities?

McMurry- Kimbrell Arena, 1973, when Coach Ron Holmes was a freshman.
SRSU--The "Pete P" Gallego Center--  ?2002?
HSU--??
UMHB--2005
Schreiner--???
TLU--???
CUA--???
HPU---???

HPU -- 1963 according to the Handbook of Texas Online
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 18, 2006, 12:47:36 AM
I know exactly what you are talking about, Dballa. (Postive karma deserved)  Home court advantage is huge and in no small part to crowd support. (Positive karma?)  The Browntown facility with students sitting right behind the backboards is one of the best examples as you clearly articulated. (Surely that statement deserves some positive karma)  That makes my point all the more - losing back-to-back home games with that tremendous home court advantage has to be playing havoc on the minds of those Lady Jackets!  It will be a difficult mental hurdle for the girls to overcome.  The McM and HSU squads must feel they are now at an advantage.  However, if any team can overcome the odds it will be those Lady Jackets, our ASC defending champs! (Come on, now, positive karma is in order!)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 18, 2006, 12:47:54 AM
I don't know how old Schreiner's is but I think by 2008 they are suppose to have an all new athletic facility if they get the funds raised.  They have diagrams on their website which looks like it will be a nice facility.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2006, 12:48:55 AM
Quote from: inthepaint on January 18, 2006, 12:34:23 AM
That's why you're our hero around here, Ralph.  You actually remember things back in the Nixon administration!   ;)

That is because I went thru college avoiding both "leaf" and "fermented grain"! :D :D :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 18, 2006, 12:51:22 AM
inthepaint that was the bad thing about playing HSU and McM this weekend though with the students gone and a lot of other local HPU fans at the Brown County Youth Fair.  It just didn't seem like the typical home crowd.  I think the fans were about even for Saturday's games against HSU and for Thursday's game against McM there was a decent crowd but not the rowdy one with students...

It should be fun going to Abilene because a lot of HPU fans will be making the trip and there will definitely be a lot of HSU and McM fans at the games.

It's just a disappointment that the conference tournament will probably be at MC this year and a lot of West Division fans won't be able to make the trip.

Oh and on the karma points I went from 11 to 5 in less than a week...so I feel no pain for ya :) haha
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 18, 2006, 01:11:32 AM
Quote from: dballa on January 18, 2006, 12:51:22 AM
and on the karma points I went from 11 to 5 in less than a week...so I feel no pain for ya :) haha

I have never even seen the light of day on a karma ranking of 11!  You and the Lady Jackets have had a tough week!

You will have to take all of my posts with a grain of salt because, unlike Ralph, I killed so many brain cells in the '70's that I really can't be responsible for what I post here. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 18, 2006, 11:40:03 AM
Dballa simply confirms my point.  I suspect McM and HSU both escaped a bullet by playing in the Mausoleum before the students got back, which gave the away teams less of a disadvantage than they normally would have had.  And it remains to be seen whether HPU's low shooting average at those two games is the start of a treand or just a fluke.  It is still a long season.

Incidentally, how do you get these famous karma points?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2006, 11:45:03 AM
Karma is discussed in the FAQ's.

http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=42
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 18, 2006, 12:03:40 PM
mcmfan, on this board you gain karma points from inthepaint by saying good things about HSU and lose them by saying negative things :)

But like you said i'm hoping those two games were just a fluke and a couple poor games that they got out of their system and are ready to go the rest of the way.  It sure makes for some better basketball to watch when both teams are playing well.  It definitely makes fans want to attend the games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2006, 01:27:14 PM
I want an ASC team, preferably McMurry, to win it all!  That way everyone in the country will know that we play great basketball in Texas.

Trinity has shown it and won it all.  McMurry defeated Trinity that next December.

HSU has been so close so often, leading everyone to think that the ASC is a "one-trick pony".

We need another team, and I volunteer McMurry, or HPU or MissColl or someone else to win it all.  Very few teams see us play.  It will take national wins (Final Four)  so everyone will know how good we are.

As for karma, I would appreciate some lurkers from other schools giving their honest assessments about the games that they saw.

It is not fair to smite someone for good natured boosterism that does not belittle or "diss" another team.  We should applaud serious discussions of the games that we see or follow on the net/radio.  Smiting should be saved for truly tasteless, unsportsmanlike or undignifiedly ignorant statements.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 18, 2006, 01:34:22 PM
Ralph the good thing about this year is that both McMurry and HPU are really young.  HPU only loses Sr after this year and she's not getting all that much playing time.  McMurry I think has a pretty young core as well.  I don't know about the rest of the conference but if these teams continue to improve it's very possible to go deep in the playoffs, if not this year then next year is looking very bright. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 18, 2006, 03:18:01 PM
Quote from: dballa on January 18, 2006, 12:03:40 PM
mcmfan, on this board you gain karma points from inthepaint by saying good things about HSU and lose them by saying negative things :)

That is not true at all!  I am deeply offended and if I had not already applauded you this morning, Dballa, I would be smiting you right now!  ;)  I have to wait 18 hours before I can act.  Fear not, however, as i will surely calm down by then!  I think your post about my karma practice was a Freudian slip, my dear brother!  You may have just revealed your personal approach to the giving and taking away of karma points.  Speak well of HPU, gain karma; Speak ill of our beloved Jackets, lost karma.

I give karma points to people who make strong points and communicate them well.  A karma point is basically an affirmation of a post and there are many opportunities to give "good karma."  For an example just look at Ralph's karma ranking.  The boy always makes excellent points backed by fact, not feeling, and people say "Amen" to him via "good karma."

Ralph is my mentor and, as you can see by my posts, I always make excellent points backed by fact, never feeling.  Feel free to slap some good karma on me, brothers!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2006, 03:34:34 PM
Paint is right about the postings that we see from our loyal and cordial group of fans.

I appreciate getting game reports from other fans.  Messages will make or break the quality of fan support that we have around the conference.

D3Hoops.com is a big plus for our brand of basketball, and I maintain that we have as good or better fan support than most of the Lone Star Conference schools.

Where are we likely to get great recruits?  By convincing them that their experience at our ASC school will be better than any place else they can play, NAIA, D2, D1 or whatever! ;)

This resource may persuade some high school kid that she likes what she sees in D3 and in the ASC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 18, 2006, 04:11:22 PM
I confess that I don't know enough about all of the school that make up the ASC.  I do know that any student would do well to attend HPU, HSU, McM, UMHB, or Austin College.  Now, before any fans of other schools wig out here, I confess that I don't know about your schools.  They may be every bit as good as the ones I listed.  I just know that when a student or parents tells me of their connection with any of the schools I listed I can say with complete confidence that they made a great choice!

Student/athletes who attend these D-III schools get an outstanding education and the chance to play basketball at a level that many would not believe exists at a non-scholarship program.  Ralph is right, our future strength demands that we keep this word out there and I am thankful for D3hoops.com, a marvelous means by which the programs can be promoted.  Thanks!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 18, 2006, 08:02:14 PM
I will be glad to be home tomorrow night and hope McM has had a good week. I think HPU will bounce back this week. They are a young team, and lost some talent last year and are looking for that "team" chemistry I think. Their defense has been their strength, and I would bet they have worked on their offense all week. I think the West will take three strong teams to MC for the tourney and the East will have the pressure to out do the West. Coach Nichols was on a local TV station earlier in the week and said he wanted to avoid the 2 "S's". Selfishness and softness, so I know he is working the girls hard this week.  I think they are focused so lets move to 15-0 tomorrow ladies. Keep smiling.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 18, 2006, 09:30:16 PM
[quote author=Ralph Turner

HSU has been so close so often, leading everyone to think that the ASC is a "one-trick pony".

We need another team, and I volunteer McMurry, or HPU or MissColl or someone else to win it all.  Very few teams see us play. 


Quote


RT, anyone else, who beats out HSU is welcome...and whoever it is, I hope they do better than HSU has...however, I'm not sure HSU has been only a "one-trick" pony, ... they have carried the ASC banner quite well when they did get in the playoffs.  HSU has had some great players and may have done even better, if there had been greater depth...but IMHO, they have been more than a "one-trick" pony!  I'm not trying to start an argument, just giving credit due.....where it is warranted.   ...and I realize you said, "ASC may be a one-trick pony..."...I just wanted to give my two-cents from another HSU fan's perspective!

Go Cowgirls!!!  (I hope you have more "tricks" up your sleeves!)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 18, 2006, 09:37:33 PM
BTW, speaking of "young" teams.  HSU's roster shows only one senior...Sonya West-TR.  Sonya has played great  and has been a tremendous asset, but HSU has also won without her in some games...due to a back ailment.

So, there should be some excellent teams in the ASC for the near future!

Go ASC!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2006, 09:43:51 PM
dsc, I was quite specific in my use of that term.

With the exception of the 2000 McMurry team that defeated a #10 Simpson and Hendrix on their way to the Sweet 16 against HSU, HSU is the only ASC team to win a NCAA Playoff game since then.  Part of the problem is that we are a 16-team conference that funnels down to one Pool A bid.  The other is that HSU was so dominant over that 6-year period from 1999-2004.

The one trick that the "ASC Pony" can do is an HSU NCAA Playoff win. :)

We need to learn a few more tricks! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 19, 2006, 12:35:48 AM
I woud like to hear some opinions for ASC player of the year. I know its still early and a lot of basketball is left but who sticks out. Even being a HPU fan I see Tara Richardson in the West as the front runner. As much as I don't like saying it. She is the front runner with her team being undefeated and putting up 19 agaisnt HPU opened my eyes, not sure about her other numbers. I think one player who might get it if Tara falters is Meia Daniels. I am partial, I'll admit it, but she scored 19 and 20 agaisnt McMurry and HSU. Sorry I don't have other names to throw out, but other views are welcomed.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 08:19:39 AM
I will recommend co-players of the year, both from McMurry.  Post Tarra Richardson and point guard Symbri Tuttle.

Post- Tarra Richardson - sophomore.  Excellent player who can dominate a game.  Tarra actually benefits from the presence of another post, senior Carli Engelke.  As a tandem, they are stronger than the "sum of the parts".

McMurry has six strong players who can play inside.

Junior Dee Dee Burton gets my vote for "Most Improved".  She has made great strides this year.  Her minutes for either Tarra or Carli have been crucial.

Three freshmen Coach Nichols has brought in have also made great strides on a team that has done so well.

Post Jabri Butler (Mansfileld) can mix it up inside.  She is a tough player that I think will make her presence felt if McMurry plays some really large northern or northwestern schools.  Most Texas women's high school basketball players are relatively "dainty" compared to the players we see in the Northwest, the Midwest/Great Lakes and the Mid-Atlantic.  Jabri will help there.

Post Allison Nelson (Winnsboro) has made great strides.  Her game against SRSU was a beauty.  McMury never missed a stride when Allison came in for Tarra and Carli.  She is especially important when either Tarra or Carli get some fouls and need to be "sat down".

Wing Ashley Stephens (Dayton) actually looks good when she goes inside.  Maybe not a natural post, at 5'10", she is tall enough to help on defense if and when we see the taller/bigger players in the NCAA playoffs.

Point Guard - Symbri Tuttle.  If asked to choose only one, then IMHO, Symbri is the player of the year.  She is the hardest to replace.  She makes the offense run smooothly.  She is among the 3-4 best point guards in the country and definitely my choice.  I have not seen Randolph-Macon College's Megan Silva whom Pat Coleman likes a little better.  (Pat Coleman saw Symbri play against Hardin-Simmons when he visitied in Jan 2005.)  I am pleased with the minutes that we have gotten from Amber Horton from Mansfield and Amanda McEwen from San Antonio, who have also played point guard.

I like the unselfish nature of this team.  They know the contributions that each can make when called.  They actually need to get tougher and harder for the hopeful playoff run.  I have not mentioned the wings and off-guards, but this is a wonderful team!  They just have to believe the coaches about what it will take from this point onward.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: moseshightower on January 19, 2006, 12:03:55 PM
'Most Texas women's high school basketball players are relatively "dainty" compared to the players we see in the Northwest, the Midwest/Great Lakes and the Mid-Atlantic.'

I couldn't disagree more with this statement.  You can maybe say the Midwest has some tougher kids but Texas basketball and especially if they are playing in the ASC is some of the most physical in the country.  Trinity has played teams from across the country in recent years.  They have struggled against the ASC and some of the Wisconsin schools but pretty much manhandled teams from everywhere else.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 12:56:31 PM
Moses, thanks for the input, and welcome again, to the ASC board.

I think that we have a genuine difference of opinion.  I thought that the very talented Trinity 2003 National Champion team embodied the physical attributes that it takes to win the National Championship, tall, smart, big and talented.

Deep in my heart, I have wondered if HSU has not had that challenge from the strong physical teams in the conference and have not been able to get past the Sectionals for that fact. (Obligatory kudos for the job that HSU has done in the playoffs!  ;) )

I know that every time I have mentioned the importance of strength training to a coach or national observer, they have agreed with the need for the ASC to be physically stronger.

(Women players, physiologically, the bulk goes away when you decrease the activity.  In 20 years of observing D-1 Women's players as they have moved on in life, the weight training effects have dissipated when they stopped working on weights.)

This should be an area for active discussion!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 19, 2006, 04:11:59 PM
Quote from: moseshightower on January 19, 2006, 12:03:55 PM
'Most Texas women's high school basketball players are relatively "dainty" compared to the players we see in the Northwest, the Midwest/Great Lakes and the Mid-Atlantic.'

I couldn't disagree more with this statement. 

Like Ralph, I must disagree with your disagreement, Mo!  I have not seen this year's teams take the floor but in previous years the players our ASC champ has faced are bigger, tougher and far more aggressive.  I watched a Sweet 16 game that HSU played a few years back and they got "man-handled."  The simply could not hold position or box out on those bigger, stronger (and quicker) players.  I think one of the best things our ASC teams could do is spend a considerable amount of time in the weight rooms.  An assistant coach who has a great understanding of weight training would be a valuable asset to any ASC squad.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 06:12:56 PM
Well I was hoping to listen to the HPU/TLU women's game but obviously the school's don't care enough about their teams to broadcast the games.  HPU's radio isn't going to either game and judging by the TLU website they are only broadcasting the men's game.  it's pretty sad we're this far into the conference race and fans who can't make the trip to the game can't enjoy listening to them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 06:43:09 PM
I want to the McMurry Athletic Department for the broadcast schedule that they have for the Women's and the Men's Basketball Teams.

McMurry is braodcasting all 22 conference games for both teams.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 07:00:25 PM
Well definitely must be nice :) I think HPU is doing the rest of the home games and only a couple more road games, like at UMHB and the two Abilene games.  Not sure about the Sul Ross trip.

How's the McMurry game going?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 19, 2006, 07:03:09 PM
Early in Clarksville:

ETBU trails Ozarks 37-32 with 6:00 left in the first half. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 19, 2006, 07:21:46 PM
Half:

HSU and UMHB

Tied up at 42...each!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 07:27:32 PM
McM 41 Concordia 31 at the half.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 19, 2006, 07:33:21 PM
ETBU now leads 51-50 in Arkansas with 17:00 left in the ballgame. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 19, 2006, 07:46:43 PM
The Lady Tiger's lead has swelled to 8 (70-62) with about 11 minutes to go. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 19, 2006, 08:07:47 PM
Final:

HSU   88
UMHB 67

Go Cowgirls!!! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 19, 2006, 08:12:50 PM
The ETBU Lady Tigers defeat the University of the Ozarks lady Eagles 96-83.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 08:43:24 PM
McM had an 11-point run at 62-56 with 6 minutes left to go 73-56.

I am not sure of the final.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 08:48:23 PM
Ralph I turned it back on and got the post game show but only heard the McM score which they finished with 88 pts.  But I didn't hear how much Concordia ended up with. 

I'm actually able to hear the HPU/TLU men's game it's a miracle :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 09:24:53 PM
HPU 63 TLU 41 Final

Finally got back in the win column.  Shot 39% to TLU's 21%

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 09:38:53 PM
McM-- 88-57 -- on a 26-1 run to finish the game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 09:42:29 PM
Coach Nichols said that the McMurry bench wore them down.

CUA--Kassandra Bills hit 21.

McMurry hit 51% on FG.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 09:49:05 PM
Ralph they just aren't the same without Ashley Edwards are they.  It sure shows this year how much she meant to them last year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 10:02:33 PM
You wonder how much difference Ashley would have made at HPU or HSU or even McMurry last year.

Ashley was deserving of her All-American Status.

http://www.d3hoops.com/tow/womallam05.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 20, 2006, 11:33:04 AM
I thought McM was pretty lethargic for most of the game with CUA last night.  For three quarters of the time, most everybody was cold except Tarra Richardson, who kept us in the game while everyone else was having trouble.  While we won by nearly a 30 point margin, most of that came at the very end.  At that point, McM finally got hot, and CUA started missing and just ran out of steam.  The game was a reminder that even good teams can go cold.  But the good news is that if we do start out sluggishly, the team has the ability to come back very fast when they get things rolling.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2006, 01:12:23 PM
McMurry featured in today's Around the Nation (http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2006, 01:13:52 PM
Just to point out something about the Massey Ratings cited: They're different than the ones posted in previous years. Until this year, Massey led with the full rankings, the ones that include margin of victory. That one has been pretty accurate lately and was the first to put Millikin in the No. 1 spot, other than one lone D3hoops.com Top 25 voter.

The ones which include margin of victory have McMurry fifth, still very impressive.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 21, 2006, 02:28:46 PM
SCORING UPDATES:

SRSU.......10
TLU.........16

05:54 to go in half

McMurry........18
MHB..............20

About 08:00 to go in half

CUA..............07
HSU..............19

09:04 to go in half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 02:33:12 PM
Crusaders 27, McM 23.  Richardson has 2 fouls and is on the bench.  4:59 Media timeout. McM ball.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 02:34:03 PM
HPU 23 SU 20 just under 5 left in the 1st half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 02:44:33 PM
HPU 28 SU 20 at the half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 21, 2006, 02:50:58 PM
 SCORING UPDATES:

SRSU.......20
TLU.........27

Half

McMurry........28
MHB..............33

Half

CUA..............18
HSU..............39

Half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 03:15:11 PM
UMHB time out, 10:00 left in the game.  McM 52 UMHB 49;  UMHB led 33-28 at the half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 03:18:39 PM
HPU 44 SU 35 Not sure of the time but should be around 10 mins if not under
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 03:22:59 PM
HPU 48 SU 38 at the under 10 min media TO
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 03:26:46 PM
UMHB 63 McM 62 ; 5:12 left.   UMHB time out. 

McM 64 -63 4:25 left.  UMHB's Barnes is shooting 2 FT's
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 03:32:11 PM
McM-- 66-65 on a fast break layup by Maigen Sawyer.
UMHB--Wurzbach mishandles the bounce pass.
McM--2:55;  Richardson a left handed layup on a put back 2:25 68-65.
UMHB--Venekamp rebs.
McM--Tuttle pulls up makes the 15ft jump shot.  70-65. 1:49
UMHB--time out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 03:34:15 PM
HPU 63 SU 45 at the under 5min media TO
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 03:36:20 PM
UMHB--Wurzbach throws it out of bounds on the tip drill. 1:25
McM--Sawyer 3FG off a high screen McM 73-65.
UMHB--0:52, Sawyer steals.
McM--0:42; Barnes fouls Engleke. 3rd foul of the half.  0:34

Kit and Leon are questioning why UMHB, with only 2 fouls in the half,has not been giving the fouls on attempts to steal the ball or stop the clock.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 03:37:30 PM
UMHB's Barnes and Heimiller have fouled.  McM has with the ball and leading 73-65.  Time out McM
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 03:40:30 PM
McM--Venekamp makes the drive and is fouled.  FT 0-1.  Venekamp has hit 10 points in the 2nd half.  McM  75-65.
UMHB 75-67.
McM--Sawyer fouled, missed.
Final McM 75-67.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 03:42:18 PM
HPU 72 SU 58 2 mins left in the game
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 21, 2006, 03:43:29 PM
Final:

HSU 85
CUA 46

..................................
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 03:46:02 PM
HPU 72 SU 61 with 1:40 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 03:47:52 PM
McM outscores UMHB 11-2 in the last 3:10.

UMHB has re-built very well.

Wurzbach 21 pts.
Barnes 14 pts & 11 Rebs
Amabile 11 (?) pts.

FG 25-61; 3FG 9-24; FT 8-9; Rebs 38 tot, 13 off + 25 def; TO's 20 Steals 7.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 03:52:03 PM
HPU 78 SU 63 Final.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 03:54:35 PM
Richardson 20 pts & 10 reb
Sawyer 16pts
Engelke 14pts.
Venekamp 11 and 5 rebs
Burton 9 pts.
Tuttle 11 assists and 2 points (that pull-up jumper in the last 3 minutes when McMurry needed that.  I am glad that Symbri can make that one. Megan Silva has that shot.  Symbri needs to pull that trigger more often to keep the defense more off-balance.)

FG 31-59 (20-29 in the 2nd half). 3FG 7-19; FT 6-12 (ARGGHH!); Rebs 32 TO's 13 Steals 9.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 21, 2006, 03:59:38 PM
Correction:

Latest score per Gametracker:

HSU 87
CUA 44

(For some reason they changed it.)

...all in the interest of truthfulness... :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 21, 2006, 04:26:31 PM
McM is still in first place, but coasting on its laurels.  Compare the point spreads with no. 2 HSU in the last two games:

McM over Concordia by 31; HSU over Concordia by 43
McM over UMHB by 8; HSU over UMHB by 21

We actually trailed for much of the game with UMHB, and only put it away in the last few minutes.  At the start of the season, McM consistently scored higher spreads against the same teams played with both them and HSU.  Now, the opposite is happening.  HSU seems to be playing better right now than we are.  McM needs to remember that every team can beat them; we need to think like underdogs and fight for every point or our perfect season will evaporate!  The moment we start feeling good about leading the division, that lead will disappear.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 21, 2006, 09:49:01 PM
It is going to be a great end of the season run for HPU and HSU and then a tremendous tournament in Mississippi!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 21, 2006, 10:08:58 PM
Mcm fan, I agree we look a little like we are not fired up, but I think the lady Indians will be fine. I do see a little let up in their fire for some of these teams, but they are continually stepping up when they have to. The thing positive I see, is there is no panic on their part, by the coaches or the players, they stay calm and work until they put the other team away. Today I wondered WHEN that would kick in, but it did. As the tourney comes around I think the fire will return. They will work hard and be ready. The other teams, UMHB for example is playing much better than they did at the first of the season. The freshman around the league are getting use to the systems, and chemistry is evolving in everyone. We must prepare for every team no matter what their record. There is no calk walk. Way to pull it out ladies, continue working hard no let up, lets finish strong.......
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on January 22, 2006, 12:26:20 AM
MC beat UTT by 6 in overtime.  A good hard fought ballgame from beginning to end.  The lead changed back and forth the whole game.  MC was up by three with 6 seconds left in regulation and UTT hit a 3 with 2 seconds left.  I don't know how UTT fared against the west side but watching them today they are tough and they came to play.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 22, 2006, 08:17:43 AM
Welcome, Nash!  Keep us posted on those eastern games!  Far too little out of the fans east of the Lone Star State.  I'm glad to see you here! :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2006, 09:12:53 AM
Welcome Nash, it is great to have someone reporting from the ASC East!

UT-Tyler lost to HSU and McM at home and then lost to HPU on the road. Five wins and 3 losses, as one might expect.

http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?school=Texas-Tyler&team=w
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on January 22, 2006, 01:04:06 PM
MC's Lacey Kennedy was injured last night early in the second half.  She took a charge and fell hard and it looked like her wrist was hurt.  I don't know anything other than what you could see at the game.  I hope she is alright because her role is much larger than than the leading scorer.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2006, 03:44:40 PM
nash, you are right!  That is a great win for the Lady Chocs!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2006, 09:02:50 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 12:56:31 PM
Moses, thanks for the input, and welcome again, to the ASC board.

I think that we have a genuine difference of opinion.  I thought that the very talented Trinity 2003 National Champion team embodied the physical attributes that it takes to win the National Championship, tall, smart, big and talented.

Deep in my heart, I have wondered if HSU has not had that challenge from the strong physical teams in the conference and have not been able to get past the Sectionals for that fact. (Obligatory kudos for the job that HSU has done in the playoffs!  ;) )

I know that every time I have mentioned the importance of strength training to a coach or national observer, they have agreed with the need for the ASC to be physically stronger.

(Women players, physiologically, the bulk goes away when you decrease the activity.  In 20 years of observing D-1 Women's players as they have moved on in life, the weight training effects have dissipated when they stopped working on weights.)

This should be an area for active discussion!

A very respected observer of ASC basketball, having seen a goodly number of ASC playoff games, has done some research and counters my opinion. 

S/he has given me permission to paraphrase these thoughts.

QuoteAs someone that has seen several of the ASC's losses in the playoffs and many of the wins,  the theory that we get dominated by bigger players is not true. Without exception it is guard play where we have not matched up in the past. We in the  ASC do not have guards that can drive, pull-up and shoot the 10 footer or if you lay off, they can bury the three. Almost every guard in the conference can either do one or the other.

We don't see those guards who can do both in the ASC regular season and that has been the difference in every one of the games that  the ASC has lost in the post-season.

Our posts have always matched up and even dominated at times with their speed. It has been the slashing type guards that have hurt us.

Here is some evidence of the starting guards and post players. The first year St Thomas was bigger, but they also shot well.  Every other year was totally opposite.



Year     Opponent                      Posts               Guards
2000     McM loses to HSU in the Sweet 16.

2000     St. Thomas                   22-19, ST         28-22, ST

2001     Baldwin-Wallace           26-22, HSU       36-20, BW

2002     DePauw                        23-11, HSU       43-10, DePauw

2003     Trinity                          41-21, HSU       30-13, Trinity

2004     UW-SP                         *21-16, UWSP  42-32, UWSP

2005     Trinity                          27-25, Trinity  **24-5 Trinity

*The HSU posts were freshmen and in foul trouble, but HSU received 14 post points off the bench.

**HPU gets 18 points off the bench from Meia Daniels.

I feel that Texas does not have as good of high school girls' basketball as the Ohio, Wisconsin's, Indiana's of the world and those teams are all way more fundamentally sound.  We have very few girls in the ASC that can put the ball on the floor and pull up.  Look at the number of traveling violations in almost any game ASC or HS or even D2 for that matter. They are not fundamentally sound from a national perspective. 

There are four players in the league that I have seen do this on a consistent level.  They were/are the superstars in the conference:  HSU's Diana Martinez, CUA's Ashley Edwards, SRSU's April Ramirez and now HPU's Meia Daniels. Those four could dominate, because they could do both.

The Trinity team that won the title in 2003 had five players that could do the drive- and-pull-up thing. All the teams that are good can do it and ASC teams have not shown that. Megan Silva at R-M can do it, and she led them almost single-handedly to the title game. She was doing it as a freshman at R-MC when HSU beat them in the 2003 second round game in Abilene.

http://www.d3hoops.com/story.php?story=18229

If you don't have that element, you can't go deep.  McMurry is good this year, but they don't have anyone that does that either. HSU does not have that type of guard this year either. Howard Payne does (Meia Daniels) and Mississippi College has several girls that can drive, but they can't really shoot the 3.

I respect this observer's educated opinion.  We shall see what plays out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 23, 2006, 12:50:57 AM
Thanks Ralph...

Good reporting.  Also, thanks to the one who did all that research...quite an effort, I must say!

Some good points.  Remember when "tall guys" were all you needed?  Now a PG is just as valuable...sometimes even more so!

The rest of the season for the ASC is shaping up to be a "barn burner!"  And the conference playoffs should be worth the ticket!
;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 23, 2006, 10:03:03 AM
Ralph,

I appreciate the statistical research.  My perception of our big girls getting dominated in the paint may be flawed.  With that said, the three years that HSU lost at the 16 team bracket or beyond, wasn't Kendra Anderson the team's go-to-girl, essentially the only real dominating presence inside?  Wasn't she all-american at least one of those years and all-conference, all-whatever the others?

My point would be that she held her own against the big, donimant girls inside and that's why those inside numbers look good, but a team can't win at that level riding on the back of one player as they had much of the regular season. 

Again, watching ASC teams beyod the ASC action they get dominated by bigger, stronger, quicker girls.  Guard play certainly plays a HUGE part in the formula for success but it does not negate the fact that our ASC girls are smaller, weaker and end up whipped inside.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 23, 2006, 11:27:12 PM
In the paint, I agree with your assessment of how important the guard play is. When Kendra was at HSU, it seems like they didn't really have to "play" hard (during the regular season),they didn't have to fight back from being behind, they had a pretty easy time winning in the conference and the tourney. When it got to playoffs, Kendra seemed to do alot of the work. I think McM has the guard play to go with the inside game this year. Maigen Sawyer and Kaycee Venekamp are tough, mentally and physically. If one is off it seems like the other one is on. And what can you say about Symbri, she makes it all work together. We have other guards who come in and make things happen also. And our post players have stepped up coming in off the bench. Carli and Tarra have been awesome. Will we be able to hold it all together for the tourney? I think so, I don't think we have peaked yet, and don't lose hope McM fan, I really don't think we are going soft. I know HSU had a good weekend, but I truly believe this McM team has what it takes. Heart and hard work!!!That's what got us to 16-0, that's what will take us to the tourney and into the playoffs. Work hard ladies, you deserve more......
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on January 24, 2006, 12:07:00 AM
See on the scoreboard that MC beat LA college by 1. Lacey Kennedy not in the boxscore. Where is millie when we need the scoop? Is Lacey hurt or are they letting her heal from the other night? Must have been a close game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2006, 12:40:28 AM
Quote from: inthepaint on January 23, 2006, 10:03:03 AM
Ralph,

I appreciate the statistical research.  My perception of our big girls getting dominated in the paint may be flawed.  With that said, the three years that HSU lost at the 16 team bracket or beyond, wasn't Kendra Anderson the team's go-to-girl, essentially the only real dominating presence inside?  Wasn't she all-american at least one of those years and all-conference, all-whatever the others?

My point would be that she held her own against the big, donimant girls inside and that's why those inside numbers look good, but a team can't win at that level riding on the back of one player as they had much of the regular season. 

Again, watching ASC teams beyod the ASC action they get dominated by bigger, stronger, quicker girls.  Guard play certainly plays a HUGE part in the formula for success but it does not negate the fact that our ASC girls are smaller, weaker and end up whipped inside.


I appreciate the source writing me offline and permitting me to share it with you.

I value the opinions of the source and look forward to any similar emails from others who believe that anonymity is most appropriate for them.   I shall be glad to add their (disguised) voices to this discussion. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on January 24, 2006, 08:47:29 AM
MC over LC 74-73 at the buzzer.  I listened to the game over the internet and LC seems to have been struggling this year but not last night.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: moseshightower on January 24, 2006, 09:46:38 AM
There may be some debate about the how the ASC has matched up in the past but after seeing a number of posts around the country play this year, I think there are few, if any, better than Tarra Richardson.
Title: Prayer Request for Austin College
Post by: LC-DBO on January 24, 2006, 07:10:52 PM
I don't know how many people know this yet but a freshmen player from Austin College died today in a car accident. I don't know much about it. I heard this information from one of their players today. We need to left this team up our in our prayers and the girl's family. What a tough loss during a season for Austin College. Also, I am asking that you would all prayer for a girl from LC who lost her dad a week ago. She is back playing hard than ever. I know what it feels like to lose someone I lost my dad this summer and I am a senior (21) at LC. Thank you so much and God Bless! <>< Mark 9:23
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 24, 2006, 07:15:33 PM
At the half in Marshall:
Letournea 33 - ETBU 32

Letournea lead much of the first half, at times by double digits, but ETBU closed the gap late.  Should be a great second half. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 24, 2006, 08:00:58 PM
Lady Tigers hold off Letourneau 69-64.  Dallas and Tyler come to town this weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 24, 2006, 09:10:43 PM
fanstand,
I think what has made the McM Lady Indians exciting to watch over the years is how much they've managed to do with so little.  I guess the saying is that they've always played with heart.  But they've had to play with heart given limited budgets, sharing the limelight with the men's team, etc.  Even the game times hurt them: weeknight times at 5:30 are the same time most of the students are still eating in the cafeteria, so they rarely get the fan support that the men get.  They're only getting good coverage in the local paper because they're undefeated.  They have traditionally been scrappy and given it everything they had when they got on the court.
I think someone should take the whole team into Kimbrell Arena and have them look at the championship banners.  There's a forest of them for the men, but only two for the women, 1981-1992 and 1999-2000.  Both are co-championships.  I don't think the team has ever won a championship by themselves.  That's why I think even with their record they're still underdogs this season.  If they want to win the championship, they need to continue to play like underdogs -- always at 100%.!  Go Indians!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfnut on January 24, 2006, 09:43:34 PM
You people sometimes amaze me.  Not one of you acknowledged someone that just  told you a FRESHMAN, which means she could not be more than 19 years old, on the Austin College girls team was killed today.  I do not know any of you who post all of the time but maybe  someday you will realize there are more important things in life than HSU, McMurry, and HPU girls basketball.  This will probably be my last post so I will make it a good  one.  My daughter plays for AC and we talked today and she is a mess.   For those of you that care, her name was Brittany Simpson who lived in The Woodlands just north of Houston.  She was evidently driving back from there today and was killed in a car crash.   That is all we know at this time.  I know here parents and I feel for them.  There is a good posibility that we will not play our game on Saturday because the funeral may be that day.   

As I said this will be my last post.  I try to be a nice person and don't let things bother me but I have to tell you what I feel about the fans from the west.  You people need to get a life.  From the first time I posted I recieved a slashing from In the Paint to reading about how good or bad these teams are from the west.  I said this in my first post and I will say this again.  The girls at AC play more for fun and are at AC for the great education.  I am sorry we don't stand up to ya'lls standards for BBall but as today shows, THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS IN LIFE THAN ASC GIRLS WEST DIVISION BASKETBALL.  I will continue to read what ya'll write because it does entertain me.  But for right now I think I will sign off for good as a poster and say a prayer for the Simpson family and the AC girls BBall team.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 24, 2006, 09:53:25 PM
1. Everybody's thoughts and prayers are with AC and the girls family.  Thats something that should never happen to anybody especially someone so young with such a bright future.

2.  I'm sure there aren't a lot of people that have seen that she was killed in a car accident, so they haven't had an opportunity to comment if they plan on it. 

3.  This is an ASC women's basketball board so fans are suppose to post scores, their thoughts about previous games, current games and future games.  The reason it seems like everybody thinks it's all about the ASC West is that the ASC West is the only side that has consistent posters, reporting scores and in game reporting.  I think it's mutual that we would welcome any and all observations from the East side.

If anybody has made you feel unwelcome to post here then I apologize and hope you don't feel like you can't post your scores or thoughts on here. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 24, 2006, 10:04:14 PM
Golf nut and LC DBO,

I am a regular contributor to these postings. It is almost ten p.m. here on the East Coast...and I am just now reading about the loss of life in the automobile accident (AC) and the young lady (LC)who lost her dad last week.  Death is sad and I am saying a prayer for these families.

I know they will look toward God for peace and toward their close friends for comfort.  May God be with the families and sustain them.

Love God, Love others  ...nothing else matters!

I have seen other similar postings as yours and they always get acknowledged.  Please consider this the same way.

Take care...and don't feel badly about any perceived oversights.  Thanks...
Title: Re: Prayer Request for Austin College
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2006, 10:07:06 PM
Quote from: LC-DBO on January 24, 2006, 07:10:52 PM
I don't know how many people know this yet but a freshmen player from Austin College died today in a car accident. I don't know much about it. I heard this information from one of their players today. We need to left this team up our in our prayers and the girl's family. What a tough loss during a season for Austin College. Also, I am asking that you would all prayer for a girl from LC who lost her dad a week ago. She is back playing hard than ever. I know what it feels like to lose someone I lost my dad this summer and I am a senior (21) at LC. Thank you so much and God Bless! <>< Mark 9:23

golfnut, I am sorry to hear of the death of Brittany Simpson.

I have just looked at the Austin College web site, and there is no acknowledgement of Britanny's death as of 9 pm.

http://www.austincollege.edu/

There is nothing on the ASC web site.

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/

Nothing has been posted on the D3hoops.com front page.  Pat Coleman is very good about reporting similar tragedies in the D3 family.

Thank you for giving us more information.  Yours is the first identification of the player!

I am sorry to hear about this.  My thoughts are with the family, friends  and teammates of the Brittany and with the unidentified LC player.

(Parenthetically, how does one respond to a sketchy report for which there is no verifiable information?  I don't think that the fans who read the flash that was unconfirmed ignored it.  I was personally perplexed and waiting for more substantive news.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 24, 2006, 10:18:27 PM
Wow, golfnut, as a parent whose kids travel all the time, this kind of thing strikes us all close to home. Give us a chance, I will pray for this family, I understand that there are more important things in life. It is a scary thing everytime our kids get on a plane or in a van, bus, or whatever. Everyday, I pray for their safety. It is very tragic, the hard part is the world goes on around us no matter what.  I know AC will struggle with this but they will also feel love and support from those around them. They will understand that communities are very special when trials like this happen. Most of us in our lives have been touched by things such as this. I am sorry you  think that we don't care, but we do.
Title: Re: Prayer Request for Austin College
Post by: inthepaint on January 24, 2006, 11:29:13 PM
Quote from: LC-DBO on January 24, 2006, 07:10:52 PM
I don't know how many people know this yet but a freshmen player from Austin College died today in a car accident. I don't know much about it. I heard this information from one of their players today. We need to left this team up our in our prayers and the girl's family. What a tough loss during a season for Austin College. Also, I am asking that you would all prayer for a girl from LC who lost her dad a week ago. She is back playing hard than ever. I know what it feels like to lose someone I lost my dad this summer and I am a senior (21) at LC. Thank you so much and God Bless! <>< Mark 9:23

Absolutely, I will be praying for the family of this student and for the faculty and students of Austin College.  I will also be praying for the LC student working through the grief of losing her father and for you, too, as you continue to find healing.  Thank you for posting this.  I think of the guidance of the Apostle Paul who wrote, "Rejoice with those who rejoice and mourn with those who mourn."  We rejoice over the accomplishments of student athletes all the time on this site and today we mourn.  Blessings, as the Lord meets your every need.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 24, 2006, 11:58:12 PM
Whoa, Golfnut!  Easy there, big fellow!  I just saw the sobering news from AC and responded.  Then I saw your post.  Sorry that you feel that folks did not respond soon enough but I imagine people have responded as they saw the news.

You wrote, "From the first time I posted I recieved a slashing from In the Paint to reading about how good or bad these teams are from the west."  I'm sorry if I offended you in the past.  Honestly, I don't recall what you are addressing but I sincerely apologize for any hurt I may have caused. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on January 25, 2006, 10:43:51 AM
golfnut,

i am so sorry about the death of Brittany Simpson and my thoughts and prayers go out to her family as well as her family at AC. You are right this is bigger than basketball and will take a very long time to heal. when my daughter was in high school we lost a young man in a car crash and i can tell you 10 years later it still has an impact on these kids as well as the school and this small town. i know these kids at AC will have a lot of support (ya'll seam like such nice people) and this is what they need. as far as bassketball...if they win ..ok ..if they lose...ok. getting through this makes them all winners.

i completely understand you not wanting to post any more. we agree on the way this venue is. i guess until an east team goes high enough for enough years we will not have the tradition that is required to be a serious part of the conversations.  what a shame.

the east will rise again ... oops not again ... just will rise
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 25, 2006, 10:53:47 AM
Here is a brief article regarding the accident which claimed the life of Brittany Simpson:

http://www.theeagle.com/stories/012506/local_20060125008.php

My condolences to Ms. Simpson's family, friends, and teammates. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 25, 2006, 11:14:18 AM
golfnut,
Just because people haven't posted about the accident doesn't mean they aren't concerned.  My son goes to AC, and I phoned him as soon as I saw the report about the accident.  All he knew at that time was that the girl's name was Brittany, but he was pretty freaked out.  He is on the AC tennis team and of course drives around a lot, especially now that AC just finished their January Term.  It could happen as easily to him as it did to her, a parent's ultimate nightmare.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on January 25, 2006, 12:42:43 PM
golfnut,
I am sorry for your loss and the sadness that has been brought upon the Austin College campus. But in response to your post I believe you owe everyone an apology. Every team suffers tragedy throughout their season. There have been two losses to the Lady Indians of McMurry in one semester. We are still dealing with those deaths everyday. I think it is unfair to accuse of us not caring and only thinking of basketball being important in one's life. Secondly, everyone in Division III plays for fun. WE, the WEST, do not get paid for being a member of any team, there are no athletic scholarships, and we are here to get an education first. I was a former player and had a passion for the game, that is why I played. Basketball is not life, but it is unfair to the WEST to say that is all we care about.  Div. III athletes only play for the love of the game. Sports are just an added bonus to the degree we earn and work so hard for.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on January 25, 2006, 01:10:30 PM
will AC travel to MC of thurs(26th) to play or is this game cancelled?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 25, 2006, 01:25:08 PM
George Levesque interviews HSU coach Shanna Briggs on this week's Sports Talk at www.ARNSportstalk.com.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2006, 07:39:52 AM
Great article about McM's Symbri Tuttle.

http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_lc_mcmurry_univ/article/0,1874,ABIL_8787_4415951,00.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tejanita24 on January 26, 2006, 07:41:23 AM
I want to apologize.  My father is 'Golfnut.'  We have lost and come close to losing quite a few people in my family since Christmas.  My dad has always sympathized so much with those who have lost those that they love and does feel it to be important to do the same.  

In the loss that I have experienced in my 25 years, I have come to realize that our society does not respect those that have passed like they used to.  This may be due to the media or conditioning by seeing death more than past generations have seen.

The only thing that I hope is gained from this post is the acknowledgment and respect for those that have passed and the reason for Daddy's harsh words.  He is a wonderful soul with too much passion and love for others and the game of basketball (and of course golf!).  Sometimes he does just get ahead of himself.  

Personally, this may be my only post, but these four years have not gone without me reading this blog.  I have just chosen not to write.  My sister finishes her senior year this year.  Let it be known that I am so proud of her and the growth I have seen in the past four years of all of the leaving seniors.  Best of luck not only to the AC seniors, but to all of the parents of- and graduating atheletes of D3 b-ball.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2006, 08:08:37 AM
Good morning, tejanita.

Thanks for the thoughtful first post.

As the details of the event that prompted your father's lamentation of grief and loss became more completely known, we ASC fans were able to put into perspective what had happened.

I don't think that an "apology" is the exact word.  In this one-dimensional from of communication, in which the conveyance is emotion is a very limited set of emoticons, one must just allow an event to unfold.  Actually, you have the entire community of D3 pausing to reflect on the precious nature of life.  What is more, many on this board are acknowledging God's grace, His steadfast love and the assurance of the true Resurrection.  I personally pray that the Holy Spirit be with us all.

Our prayers are with Brittany's family, friends and the entire AC community.

Travel safely. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 26, 2006, 09:08:31 AM
Dear Tejanita...and all.

I want to add my feelings to the recent emails on the "loss of loved ones"...be they friend or family.  Let me just say that I agree with Ralph...and mirror his words...as he says them better than I can.

No apology is necessary...no matter what is said at a time such as this...it's OKAY!  No one should fault that.

And, being a "senior citizen" myself...retired military and probably older than golfnut...I can empathize with him.  We all react to death in different ways...all are "okay" ways of expression.

You are right, IMHO, life and death are perceived differently now than "back then."  But I also believe that as we get older, we see things more clearly.

Thanks for your much appreciated post.  May God Bless you, your family...and have a good life!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 26, 2006, 09:12:55 AM
Tejanita, I hope that isn't your first and final post.  Your thoughtful expressions are well-received and I assure you that most, if not all, of the ASC basketball community are well aware of the grief being experienced at AC and beyond and are praying for all who hurt.

Any father would appreciate your desire to affirm your dad.  Honestly, there is no need as we all know he was writing out of honest passion and emotion, something we all tend to do at different times and in different seasons around here.  I am convinced that all that is going on will be used for good by our God who promises to do just that.

We understand the all-consuming grief that surrounds the death of a loved one or the death of a friend who passes away much too soon, as in the case of Miss Simpson.  We have all lost people we care for deeply and we know all-too-well the grief that washes over us like floodwaters.  We also know the grace of our Lord that restores joy to hearts overwhelmed by sorrow.  That day will come.  Maybe not today.  Maybe not anytime soon.  However, that day will come.  I know this because i have experienced it and seen it in countless others.

Your family, both blood and your AC family, are being carried to the Throne of Grace all through the day.  The God whose mercies are renewed every morning will meet your every need in Christ Jesus.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on January 26, 2006, 01:53:45 PM
my daughter sent me this poem this morning from   

http://www.collegestudentathletes.com/expertsarticle.cfm?EXID=33

for anyone who loves D3 sports this give an insight into the players and why they do it.  it describes my daughter completely

Why We Play Division III Athletics   
   
It's not about getting a scholarship, getting drafted, or making SportsCenter. It's a deep need in us that comes from the heart.

We need to practice, to play, to lift, to hustle, to sweat. We do it all for our teammates and for the student in our calculus class that we don't even know.

We don't practice with a future major league first baseman; we practice with a future sports agent.

We don't lift weights with a future Olympic wrestler; we lift with a future doctor.

We don't run with a future Wimbledon champion; we run with a future CEO.

It's a bigger part of us than our friends and family can understand.

Sometimes we play for 2,000 fans; sometimes 25. But we still play hard. You cheer for us because you know us.

You know more than just our names. Like all of you, we are students first.

We don't sign autographs. But we do sign graduate school applications, MCAT exams, and student body petitions.

When we miss a kick or strike out, we don't let down an entire state. We only let down our teammates, coaches, and fans. But the hurt is still the same.

We train hard, lift, throw, run, kick, tackle, shoot, dribble, and lift some more, and in the morning we go to class. And in that class we are nothing more than students.

It's about pride—in ourselves, in our school.

It's about our love and passion for the game. And when it's over, when we walk off that court or field for the last time, our hearts crumble. Those tears are real. But deep down inside, we are very proud of ourselves.

We will forever be what few can claim...college athletes.
   


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 26, 2006, 02:02:29 PM
What a special place this is, that there is a passion and love for everything that needs to be.  How nice to have things in perspective. Of all God's gifts, the greatest is love and this web site is full of all "the right stuff".  Kudos to everyone on what a blessing it is to be a part of DIII and this website. Even our differences are a blessing. Thank you Millie, golfnut, Ralph, matalk, dballa, in the paint, and golfnut's daughter....with so much in this world that is not good, you are all special!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2006, 06:50:37 PM
Very slow start to the McM TLU game.

McM 16 TLU 5 with 10:25 left.

McM is 46% in FG. TLU 12.5%.

Media timeout;  McM 16-9 just under 10 minutes.  McM has scored about 8 points in the last 3 minutes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 26, 2006, 06:51:26 PM
HPU 26 CUA 9 9:52 left in the first half

I think the offense is starting to creep back in.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 26, 2006, 06:57:11 PM
su 21 - hsu 14 bout 10 min. left 1st half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 26, 2006, 07:16:20 PM
HPU 40 CUA 14 at the half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 26, 2006, 07:17:07 PM
cowgirls go on a 8-0 run to finish first half.
38-38 halftime
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 26, 2006, 07:39:02 PM
Mid-way through the second half ETBU and UTT are knotted up at 46.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 26, 2006, 07:46:29 PM
cowgirls 61-47 12 min left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 26, 2006, 07:51:31 PM
63-47 10 min left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 26, 2006, 07:53:48 PM
With about 4 minutes left the Lady Tigers hold a 61-57 lead.  This would be a big win if they can hold on. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 26, 2006, 07:56:49 PM
HPU 66 CUA 45 about 3 mins let in the game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 26, 2006, 08:01:09 PM
cowgirls 69-49 7 min left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 26, 2006, 08:02:55 PM
It's over in Marshall:
ETBU 68 - UT Tyler 62

ETBU now 9-6 with Dallas coming in Saturday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 26, 2006, 08:06:00 PM
HPU 75 CUA 51 Final.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 26, 2006, 08:07:07 PM
cowgirls 71-58 5 min left starters are going back in
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 26, 2006, 08:15:17 PM
79-59 2 min left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 26, 2006, 08:20:34 PM
cowgirls take it 80-63 final
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on January 26, 2006, 08:47:28 PM
McM over TLU by 27. 62-35  Venekamp 14 pts. Engleke 10pts and 9 boards, Burton 10 pts. Everybody played, everybody scored.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 02:15:17 PM
McM 15 Schreinier 6 at 14:40.  Media timeout.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 28, 2006, 02:20:03 PM
cowgirls over tlu 21-6
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 28, 2006, 02:22:48 PM
27-6 8 min left first half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 02:25:08 PM
McM 19  SU 15; 9:45.  SU is back from an 11 point deficit.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 02:28:17 PM
Schreiner ties at 19 on an 11-0 run.  8:30 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 28, 2006, 02:30:44 PM
cowgirls up 35-13 4:33 left in the first half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 02:38:13 PM
Media Timeout  just under 5 minutes -- McM 28, SU 25.

Schreiner has a good young team.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 28, 2006, 02:44:50 PM
SRSU.....23
CUA.......44

HALF
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 28, 2006, 02:45:43 PM
cowgirls up 46-22 half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 02:47:40 PM
McM 41,  Schreiner 34.  Halftime.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 28, 2006, 02:52:21 PM
ETBU 49 - UTD 27
Half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 28, 2006, 03:01:56 PM
cowgirls up 55-30 16 min left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 28, 2006, 03:11:56 PM
Lady Tigers are piling it on now, as they lead 67 to 33 midway through the 2nd half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 28, 2006, 03:15:47 PM
hsu 59- tlu 30 9min left.  they are now deep into the bench.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 28, 2006, 03:17:56 PM
tlu is 4 of 12 from the free throw line &
0 for 15 from 3 pt range.
hsu 60 tlu 30
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 28, 2006, 03:20:15 PM
hsu 62 tlu 33 7 min left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 03:21:22 PM
SU 52 McM 47, under 13 minutes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 03:22:31 PM
McM 53-52.  Richardson gets the defensive rebound, gets down the court and then gets the rebound and put-back.

9:14 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 03:32:08 PM
McMurry by 9 at 4:56 left.  Media timeout.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 28, 2006, 03:37:08 PM
cowgirls take it 75-43 final.
all but 2 cowgirls score.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 28, 2006, 03:37:34 PM
SRSU....57
CUA......85

01:30 to go
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 03:40:35 PM
McM 66-56 4:08.  McM has a 19-4 run.

SU FG 66-58.

McM--turnover 3:38.
SU--Venekamp fouls SU 1&1 to SU.  Fennel Ft  2-2. McM 66-60.
SU--at the foul line. FT Enriquez  FT 1-2. OOB McM ball.
McM--leading 66-61;  Estrada steals.
SU--Enriquez FT  2-2.  McM 66-63.  2:35.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 28, 2006, 03:41:03 PM
SRSU....61
CUA......89

FINAL


SRSU ladies (0-15, 0-18) are having a very rough year....hopefully they can turn it around soon!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 03:44:31 PM
McM--time out; inbounds; 2:14
McM--Richardson misses
SU--  Richardson blocks shot OOB  7 sec on shot clock
SU--Richardson steals.
McM--Richardson lay-up  68-63
SU--Enriquez 3FG 68-66.
McM--Timeout. 0:59 left McM ball.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 03:46:18 PM
McM--18 on the shot clock.  Holding foul by Beck. Team 6th.
McM--Fresh shot clock. McM time (a 30sec.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 03:50:08 PM
McM--Hold by Fennel on Richardson-- 1&1. McM 70-66. Richardson has 31 points.
SU--Horton hustle reb!!!
McM--0:46. Tuttle with the ball.  Enriquez fouls Amber Horton.  FT  2-2. McM  72-66.
SU--0:25  Fennel FG. 72-68.
McM--Engelke fouled.  FT 2-2.  74 -68.  14.2 secs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 03:54:04 PM
SU  FT  2-2. McM 74-70 0:08 left.

The refs in this game are getting lots of commenary by the McMurry announcers about calls completely missed.

Because of the description of the action, I can conclude that these refs don't have a clue.

Engelke fouled, 10th of the half.  FT 2-2. McM  76-70.  Engelke is an 81% FT shooter.

Final McM 76-70.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 04:01:22 PM
SU--Enriquez 22 pts; Fennell 17 pts; 17 rebs; Beck 13 pts; Lopez 10 pts

FG 24-53; 3FG 6-16; FT 16-20; Rebs 27; TO 19; Steal 11.

McM--Richardson 31 pts/ 11 rebs; Venekamp 12; Engelke 8pts but FT 6-6;

FG 26-50; 3FG 4-9; FT 20-26; TO 18; Steals 7
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on January 28, 2006, 04:17:35 PM
MC 60 UO 57.  Coach Paul Allen Duke gets his 200th win at MC.  Both teams shot terrible in the first half.  MC led by as much as 13 in the second half but UO fought back and if one or two shots had fallen the game could have gone the other way.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 28, 2006, 11:57:24 PM
Just got back from Kerrville. Schreiner much improved team, I am impressed with their turnaround. They were very relaxed having fun. We need to unclench all four of our "cheeks" and just relax. We are in the tournament and shouldn't worry about the perfect season. If it happens, it happens, if it doesn't ... it's okay. 18-0 very sweet, we need to just enjoy this season and play LIB basketball. We have beaten everybody once and proven we are a force to be reckoned with. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 29, 2006, 04:57:04 PM
There is no question that McMurray is "a force to be reckoned with!"  This year proves again what so many of us already know about ASC basketball; namely that each and every year offers an exciting season.  HSU's dominance is over.  HPU stays up at the top of the heap.  McMurray is as strong as any team has been in recent memory.

What I miss is the presence of CUA and UMHM knocking at the door for contention as conference champs.  They, too, will be back and others will as well. 

Sorry that this focuses exclusively on the west but when the east teams are doing what the western division teams do every year then they, too, will be added to the mix.  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 29, 2006, 09:13:23 PM
F.Y.I, the correct spelling of the university on the south side of Abilene is "McMurry", not "McMurray"...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2006, 09:36:04 PM
Oh well, McM fan, it must be a "Hardened Sinners" thing!  ;D ;) 8)

And no comments from you "Horrid Pain" fans either!  ::) :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 29, 2006, 09:42:23 PM
hey after something like that we have to comment "McMuffin" University :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2006, 09:58:35 PM
Quote from: dballa on January 29, 2006, 09:42:23 PM
hey after something like that we have to comment "McMuffin" University :)

:D :D :D :D :D  Happy Meals for Breakfast!!!!!  :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 30, 2006, 11:33:24 AM
Paint,  your memory is short.  2002-2003 HSU went 27-1 and only lost to Trinity who won the national championship.
Now don't get me wrong  MCMURRY  is doing more than just respectable,  there season so far has been very impressive.
I have noticed though that they are playing games a little closer than they did at the beginning of the season..  Tuesday's game will be a test.  Of course it will mean more to HSU.  If HSU won it will still come to going to MC for the playoffs.  I have changed my mind on the results of the playoffs.  McMurry could still go to the tournament if they didn't win.  And I think HSU or MC could go if they were second.  The reason for the change is their being in the polls for a long period of time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on January 30, 2006, 12:24:18 PM
i have a question...i don't know if it will be answered or not, but i will try...over the past several years(i have only been into for D3 3 years)besides HSU, MCM and MC what other schools have ever been ranked in the polls...don't go all the way back to the 1950's..i just want to know the years that would give a school a "tradition"
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 12:35:00 PM
Quote from: calhsu on January 30, 2006, 11:33:24 AM
Paint,  your memory is short.  2002-2003 HSU went 27-1 and only lost to Trinity who won the national championship.
Now don't get me wrong  MCMURRY  is doing more than just respectable,  there season so far has been very impressive.
I have noticed though that they are playing games a little closer than they did at the beginning of the season..  Tuesday's game will be a test.  Of course it will mean more to HSU.  If HSU won it will still come to going to MC for the playoffs.  I have changed my mind on the results of the playoffs.  McMurry could still go to the tournament if they didn't win.  And I think HSU or MC could go if they were second.  The reason for the change is their being in the polls for a long period of time.

calhsu, technical point...the polls have absolutely nothing to do with the playoff selections.

The NCAA Handbook has the primary and secondary coriteria listed on page 15-17.

http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2006/2006_d3_w_basketball_handbook.pdf

Selection Monday is February 27th.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 30, 2006, 12:47:40 PM
Quote from: calhsu on January 30, 2006, 11:33:24 AM
Paint,  your memory is short.  2002-2003 HSU went 27-1 and only lost to Trinity who won the national championship.

I am assuming your reference to a short memory is in the context of my words, "HSU's dominance is over."  Going back to 2002-2003 to point to my beloved Cowgirls' domination confirms my point.  I was in the stands when they dominated.  I witnessed the "almost perfect season" first hand.  It is over.  The Jackets took them to school last season and the Lady Indians are doing the same with everyone this year.  The conference tournament could go to anyone but HSU's domination is over. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on January 30, 2006, 02:00:08 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on January 29, 2006, 04:57:04 PM

Sorry that this focuses exclusively on the west but when the east teams are doing what the western division teams do every year then they, too, will be added to the mix. ;)

i don't know who if anyone else has been ranked in the polls or not (since i got no response to my question) if there are add them to the list.  paint you act like every team in the west is superior but in reality there are only 3 teams in "the mix" and two of those teams MC and McM just got there. so i really don't know why you are throwing digs to the East but remember not only does the west have some very good teams they also last year had the team with the longest losing streak in history of any division. Schriner has come a long way and we are really proud of them (they only lost to McM by 6 last weekend) my point is not to dis on Schriner but to show how much things can change in a year
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 30, 2006, 03:08:07 PM
Note:

If you tune in to the HSU-McM game on Tuesday, you'll miss it.

HSU's homepage shows it tonight...Monday, Jan. 30th.

Just a FYI...

Go Cowgirls!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 30, 2006, 05:02:53 PM
Quotepaint you act like every team in the west is superior

Nope, I have never acted like every team in the west is superior to the eastern side of the ASC.  McM, HSU and HPU are superior to every team in the east and I have implied that I believe in the last couple of years that UMHB and UCA were also superior. 

Just wanted to get everything on the table.  I hate it when folks puts words in my mouth that just are not true.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 30, 2006, 05:57:35 PM
At stake at the McM-HSU game isn't whether or not McMurry is  a force to be reckoned with or not.  At stake is winning the Western Division conference title.  McM was a force last year, got into the conference tournament, and beat 1st seed HSU.  But it won neither the division (that was HSU) nor the conference (that was HPU).  If McM wins tonight, it almost clinches the division unless the whole team falls apart for the rest of the season.  Of course, HSU has to beat McM tonight if it wants any chance for that title, and as has been pointed out by other posters, HSU has been winning lately by higher margins against the same teams than McM -- a reversal of the point spread before the first McM-HSU meeting this season.  This is clearly a major game for both teams.  Go Indians!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on January 30, 2006, 06:07:43 PM
Well it seems to me that until someone from the ASC wins the National Championship it is a mute point as to which side is superior to the other.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 07:11:20 PM
Very tough defensive game.

HSU 20-14 at the half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 07:27:44 PM
Halftime Stats:

Richardson FG's 3 made ; FT 4-9; Burton  2 Fg's for  4pts.

FG 5-35!  3FG 0-7;  FT 4-9;  Rebs 9 off + 17 def = 26 total. 3 steas 2 assists, 7 turnovers.

Richardson has 7 rebs.


HSU fouls  among the posts

Hawk 2 fouls, Sonya West 2; Henley 3; Green 2 fouls.

Dennard 7 pts and 7 rebs. Sonya West 4 points and 6 rebs, Henley 3 pts and 6 rebs, Hawk 3 pts and 6 rebs, Singletary 3 pts.

FG 7-25; 3FG 2-8; FT 6-12; TO 11 Steals 3.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 07:34:27 PM
Media Timeout -- HSU 28, McM 23  14:46.  HSU ball.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 07:42:15 PM
HSU 38 McM 30 10:00 in the game.

McM--McEwen 3FG
HSU--Dennard 3FG  HSU 41-33.
McM-- OOB HSU ball 9:48  HSU 41-33.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 07:47:30 PM
HSU--reb Engelke
McM--9:24  Richardson left-hander.
HSU--West is fouled by Engelke, her 2nd foul.  FT  1-2.  42-35.
McM--Venekamp--bounces over the backboard.
HSU--Henley FG  HSU 44-35.
McM--Richardson 44-37 8:00
HSU--turnover
McM--Sawyer is fouled by Dennard, her 1st.  FT  1-2. HSU  44-38. 7:48

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 07:50:03 PM
HSU--Tuttle reb
McM--Tuttle turnover.
HSU--Sonya West FG  46-38.
McM--7:00  Richardson misses. HSU rebs.
HSU--traveling Dennard
McM--Richardson scores and is fouled by Sonya West FT  1-1 46-41.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 07:51:26 PM
There seems to be a great and loud crowd.

HSU leads 46-41, but has taken a timeout.

McM's Richardson has 24 of the team's 41 points.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 07:53:20 PM
HSU--West scores and is foule dby Burton, her 3rd.  FT  1-1.  HSU 49- 41. 5:50
McM--HSU playing zone.  Richardson is fouled on the putback by Hodges.  FT 2-2.  HSU  49-43.  5:36.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 07:55:48 PM
HSU--Richards on block, Richardson rebs.
McM--turnover on a fast break.
HSU--Venekamp rebs.
McM--4:45 HSU by 6.  Sawyer short on the 3FG. reb to HSU
HSU--Richardson rebs.
McM--Sawyer 3FG!  HSU 49-46.  4:10
HSU--Dennard scores and is fouled by Sawyer. 3:59 left HSU at the line.  HSU 51-46.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 07:56:35 PM
Much intensity...playoff atmosphere...lots of crowd noise..
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 07:58:52 PM
HSU--Not Dennard but Sonya West Ft 1-1. HSU 52-46.
McM--Venekamp FG; HSU 52-48 3:30
HSU--Singletary 3FG  HSU 55-48.
McM--HSU steals. 2:50.
HSU--West is fouled. 2:40 Engelke fouls. Time out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 08:01:36 PM
HSU 55-48.
HSU--West at the line.  FT 2-2. HSU  57-48.
McM--HSU rebs.
HSU--2:15. Singletary FG HSU 59-48.
McM time 1:52.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 08:04:00 PM
I think that Rachael Singletary has 11 points in the second half.  She did not play in the frist game.

HSU-West
McM--rebs
McM--Sawyer 3FG. Time. 59-51. 1:15 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 08:07:09 PM
HSU--traveling 0:53.
McM--Sawyer misses 3FG. OOB
HSU--Tuttle reach in foul.  9th in the half. Hawk FT 2-2. HSU 61-51.
McM--Engelke 3FG HSU 61-54.  0:31.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 08:09:59 PM
HSU--0:23 Henley at the line FT  1-2. HSU 62-54.
McM--Cowgirls reb.
HSU--0:11, Singletary at the line. F1-2. HSU 63-54. Turnover.

Final HSU 63 -54.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 30, 2006, 08:16:48 PM
well McMurry just found out like HPU did against them and HSU, you can't win shooting in the 20's.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 30, 2006, 08:17:25 PM
HSU wins!  How sweet it is!

McM-
Tarra Richardson-26 pts

HSU-
Sonya West-21 pts

Hard fought, game...especially the first half!

63-54 HSU!  Great win, Cowgirls!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 08:18:54 PM
HSU--Sonya West 21 pts 10 rebs; Dennard 13 pts 13 rebs; Henley 10 pts, Singletary 12 pts.

FG 19-51 37%; 3FG 6-16; FT 19-28 Rebs 51

McM--Richardson 26 pts 12 rebs; Sawyer 10pts; Engelke 9 pts; Burton 4 pts.
FG 20-68; FT 5-20; FT 9-16; TO 13. Rebs 45.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 08:20:03 PM
Any rubber match will be on a neutral floor!  :-\


Wait a minute!!! I really want to win the 4th game this season!!!! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 31, 2006, 01:15:18 AM
The first half of the ball game, we couldn't buy a bucket. Oh well, we still managed to keep the game close. It is not the end of the world by a long shot. We will regroup and find our fire.  I think some of the pressure is off of us now, we can finish the west out strong and then be ready for the conference tournament. Tonite the shots fell for HSU, and there were some ugly shots falling. Seemed like we were down 6 pts. the whole game. I must say the McM ladies never panicked and kept fighting, the atmosphere was great, they just jumped on us early. The sun comes up tomorrow and we will meet again..................................
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 31, 2006, 09:20:43 AM
Quote from: fanstand on January 31, 2006, 01:15:18 AM
The sun comes up tomorrow and we will meet again..................................

That is the attitude of a champion, for sure!  Gosh, I would have liked to have been at that game! 

This HSU team has surprised me greatly.  Spanking HPU in Browntown and now upsetting McMurry really shocks me.  I was not a believer in this team in the early part of the season but they are making believers out of us all!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2006, 09:42:19 AM
Quote from: inthepaint on January 31, 2006, 09:20:43 AM
Quote from: fanstand on January 31, 2006, 01:15:18 AM
The sun comes up tomorrow and we will meet again..................................

That is the attitude of a champion, for sure!  Gosh, I would have liked to have been at that game! 

This HSU team has surprised me greatly.  Spanking HPU in Browntown and now upsetting McMurry really shocks me.  I was not a believer in this team in the early part of the season but they are making believers out of us all!

We play great basketball down here.  We just need a break-out season for the ASC.  What I would like to see is the Lady Chocs going east and the ASC-West bid winners going west and then seeing how far they could go.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: moseshightower on January 31, 2006, 10:12:42 AM
Sounds like a great game last night, it's too bad that these two teams will most likely have to meet very early in the NCAA tournament, if they both make it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 31, 2006, 11:06:57 AM
If 2006 is any sort of repeat of 2005, they'll meet in the conference tournament for the final showdown!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on January 31, 2006, 11:09:34 AM
In the paint, help me out here. HSU didn't spank HPU in Bwood, they were down the whole game and won in the last minute or so. McM handled them in Bwood. HSU seems to be coming on strong but I still feel like McM has stronger players on most given days. I think some of the best play will come in the next 3 weeks.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 31, 2006, 11:32:24 AM
TO ALL HSU FANS THIS IS A WARNING:
Resist the urge to do what HPU fans did during the years that HSU was the top team.  DON'T gloat.  HSU girls don't dream about beating MCM teams they still dream of championships.
Here are the only things last nights win means.
1.  MCM will not go undefeated this year.
2.  MCM will go down in the polls and HSU will go up.
3.  The only important thing that happened last night was that it shows that HSU is better as a team than it was eariler.

As I have been saying for the last three weeks it still comes to down to the playoffs.   As far as the ASC goes, this year has shown that there are three levels.  Most of the ASC is bad.  Both west and east is filled with very poor programs.  I have not noticed anything this year to change what I said about those teams before the season began.  Level two is made up of one team.   That would be HPU.  They are clearly better than the first group I just mentioned.  But they are not ready to beat the teams in level one.  Keep dreaming if you are one of their fans.  Last year was last year, and this team will not go any farther than making an apperance at MC at the playoffs. 
Of course that leaves the top level.  MC, MCM,  and as of last night HSU.  I still think two could make the big dance. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 31, 2006, 11:44:39 AM
One other thing.

Ralph I did not say that two teams would make the tournament based on the the polls for as you said they don't mean anything in the selection process.
What I meant was that polls do only one thing.  They let the rest of the country know you exist.  In the past the only team they knew was HSU.  Since they were winning the championships that was fine.  But the only other time two teams from the ASC went to the big dance was when HSU had McMurry join them and that I believe was because MCM had been in the polls all year with HSU.  Now you can't deny that. 
A couple of years ago MC had a great team.  I think its only losses were to HSU.  But they never made the polls.  no invitation was in the mail.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 31, 2006, 01:01:46 PM
inthepaint, I don't really call HSU beating HPU a spanking by any means. HSU was down at the half and only won by 3 points. Survived might be a better word considering how everybody hates playing in Brownwood. Hopefully HPU will play to their potential when the rematch happens in Abilene.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 31, 2006, 01:02:19 PM
HSU was in the polls all of last year and they didn't make the post season....can't deny that either.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 31, 2006, 01:14:22 PM
Quote from: matalk on January 31, 2006, 11:09:34 AM
In the paint, help me out here. HSU didn't spank HPU in Bwood, they were down the whole game and won in the last minute or so. McM handled them in Bwood. HSU seems to be coming on strong but I still feel like McM has stronger players on most given days. I think some of the best play will come in the next 3 weeks.

I completely agree!  "Spank" may not have been the best word to use as we may have different understandings.  I did not say "whipped," but "spanked."  They spanked HPU by upsetting them on their own floor, something that is always a very difficult thing to do.  The Mausoleum is a tough, tough place to play. 

I am also of the opinion, along with you, that McM has the best team in the ASC, west or east.  HSU surprised me with their win in Browntown, something I never would have expected.   The McM victory was also something I never would have expected.  I am pleasantly surprised, mind you, as I love those Cowgirls, but I agree with you that McM has the stronger team. 

These three weeks will be exciting!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 31, 2006, 01:18:57 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on January 31, 2006, 01:01:46 PM
inthepaint, I don't really call HSU beating HPU a spanking by any means. HSU was down at the half and only won by 3 points. Survived might be a better word considering how everybody hates playing in Brownwood. Hopefully HPU will play to their potential when the rematch happens in Abilene.

I hope I have cleared up any misconceptions I created with the word, "spanked."  I understand it was a narrow victory.  I was surprised by it, not expecting HSU to steal one from HPU in the Mausoleum.  Survived may be the better word.

As you are expressing your hopes, you would do well while hoping HPU plays to their potential that HSU plays beneath their own.  If both teams play to their full potential it will be a game right up to the final buzzer.

This season is exciting, isn't it?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 31, 2006, 03:10:42 PM
Quote from: dballa on January 31, 2006, 01:02:19 PM
HSU was in the polls all of last year and they didn't make the post season....can't deny that either.

Fortunately, as our good friend Ralph Turner has pointed out, there are a lot more Pool C buds available this year.  A team that is ranked all season and has a solid QoWI should have an excellent shot at this playoffs, unlike previous seasons where there were less than a handful of bids available. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 31, 2006, 03:18:29 PM
I do hope HPU plays to their potential, I don't call shooting 16% from the field in a half good potential. Your right though this season is very exciting, never expected to see HSU beat MCM. I hope HPU plays both HSU and MCM in Abilene with full potential and that both opponents play to their full potential. That way creditibilty can be built for the teams. They could go down to the wire in both games, but we shall see. I expect a crazy whirlwind of games ending at the conference tourney.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2006, 03:56:18 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on January 31, 2006, 03:10:42 PM
Quote from: dballa on January 31, 2006, 01:02:19 PM
HSU was in the polls all of last year and they didn't make the post season....can't deny that either.

Fortunately, as our good friend Ralph Turner has pointed out, there are a lot more Pool C buds available this year.  A team that is ranked all season and has a solid QoWI should have an excellent shot at this playoffs, unlike previous seasons where there were less than a handful of bids available. 


Please check out my compilation on the Best of the South.

I think that we get 2-3 Pool C bids in the South Region.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 31, 2006, 04:47:26 PM
Here is the deal about last year and HSU not going to the tournament.  They lost in the first round......  If they had lost in the finals who knows what would have happened. 
This year HPU has to win the playoffs in order to go on.  And regardless of all the TALK of how good they are and how they SHOULD have beat the Cowgirls they have failed to win one game that shows that they are in the same league as the big three.   Right now I would say that next time HPU comes to Abilene they will lose by more than ten. 
I am a little surprised that no one is giving  HSU any credit for a good game last night.  Saying that you were not expecting them to win is not the same as saying they played a good game.   Actually if some of you want to continue to disrespect the Cowgirls, the underdog role is going better than when people were afraid of them.
All I notice is that MCM beat HSU by 8 and the Cowgirls won by nine.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 31, 2006, 05:20:57 PM
What I find surprising is that it seems to be the HSU fans who are amazed that HSU won last night, and the McM fans who are giving HSU credit for the victory.  I mentioned in an earlier post that in the last few games leading to Monday night, when McM and HSU were playing the same teams, HSU was winning by a bigger margin.  Before the original McM-HSU game, McM had the advantage in point spreads.  So, last night was predictable, not some fluke.  HSU has stepped it up in the last week or two, and McM has not, and the level of "step-up" was visible in the point spreads even before last night's game.  The question now is whether McM can match that "step-up," which we will have to do if we want to hold on to our one-game lead in the division. If we don't match it, HSU will continue their run and will win the division.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 01, 2006, 11:28:11 AM

McM is in good shape to win the regular season championship.  They have showned that they can be beat but there is no one left on the schedule that is capable of doing that.  Yes I know that HPU still has a game with them but it is in Abilene and they are going to do what they couldn't do at home. 

I know that I sound pretty sure considering I don't see the games, but numbers don't lie.  The closest I will be to Abilene will be in October when I plan to go to homecoming(my 30th class reunion) and see my first HSU  home football game.   Even still I bet I know more about what HSU does in sports than most of the students.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on February 01, 2006, 02:25:47 PM
I was at the HSU game on Monday.  McM is the better team, but when you shoot 14% from the floor in a half and 29% overrall, you couldn't beat a junior high team.  With all that said, McM was only down by 6 at half, take that as you will. Hardin Simmons played their best against McM's mid season slump. The score at the end of the game says nothing, but who won or lost. HSU knew the only reason they won was because McM couldn't get the ball to drop. That's why they aren't saying anything or gloating. Lady Indian's are just as focused and are glad to have whatever monkey was on their back. Now all they have to do is win the WEST and get to the tournament where they will be peaking and reaching their highest level of play. The torched has passed and L.I.B. will get the last laugh!  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on February 01, 2006, 02:27:16 PM
Correction. the monkey is off their back!   :P
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 01, 2006, 04:04:56 PM
Excue me you now know what the HSU girls think?  I wasn't there and I know just as much as you do,  nothing. 

Who is a better team is decided on the court,  that is why they play the game.  On that night guess what,  HSU won,  that means they were the better team that night.

Again numbers don't lie.

Get over it.  Chances are they will get another chance to prove something different.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on February 01, 2006, 04:31:33 PM
calhsu you are a typical HSU fan. Either team has to get by MC in their house. There are 6 games between now and then. One game at a time my friend.  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 01, 2006, 09:41:39 PM
I personally don't know why everyone is so surprised that HSU won on Monday night.  No reason to "gloat."

The surprise was when McM won at home against HSU earlier in the season. ;D

Think about it!

::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 02, 2006, 12:30:16 AM
Dear mattalk /// nothing in my posts have said anything bad about MC. And I am painfully aware of where the the playoffs are.  And if HSU goes to Clinton as the #2 they would play #1 MC first.   

In past years when HSU was the clear dominant team when they would lose the other teams would dance on the grave of a single loss.  No HSU has really gloated,  just asking for a little respect from people who infer that Monday was just a fluke.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 02, 2006, 10:17:57 AM
McM could lose any number of its remaining games if it can't get out of the slump it's currently in.  To cite the numbers, again, it won every game in the first part of the season by a 2-digit margin except for HSU (by eight points) and MC (by two points).  In the last two weeks, it has struggled against "easy" teams; it won against UMHB by 8 and against Schreiner by just 6.  The Lady Indians can't afford to become complacent at this point, because none of their opponents will be.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on February 02, 2006, 10:57:57 AM
Actually CalHSU, if HSU goes to the conf. tourney as the West's #2 seed it wouldn't play MC first.  The West's #4 seed would.  HSU would play the East's #3 seed in the first round.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 02, 2006, 11:01:18 AM
Lets get this straight, if MCM loses to anyone other than HPU during the regular season, they are not in a slump they are having major team issues.  I am not saying that is true,  because I don't think them losing to HSU is such a great surprise.

Losing to a team other than the top four  would be a really terrible sign.  The other day I took a look at the regions records in the south.  At the bottom of the barrell are several ASC teams.   Face it, the rest of the teams in the ASC are really bad.  

I do know this kind of thinking lead to HSU's football team losing to TLU,  as painful as it is to remember that.
But everyone knows girls are smarter than guys.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 02, 2006, 11:04:07 AM
Thanks for that information.   But it still seems that eventually the #2 from the west would play the #1 east before they would play the #1 from the west.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 02, 2006, 02:39:26 PM
McMurry Ladies will refocus on basketball basics for tonite's contest aganist TLU and Saturday's game with SU.  I am sure McMurry's fine coaching staff will have the team getting the ball into the post, reacting to the double and triple team that will come, and hitting the open shot.  Lets play ball and all will be well.

In the ASC-East, MC looks quite strong.  Three teams in the ASC-West (HSU, HPU, McM) appear capable of being in the tournament.  Dr. Ralph Turner pointed out some time ago that the games HPU has againist McM on 2/9 and HSU on 2/11 are large indeed.  What would the impact be of a loss or two on who gets in?

I will leave the multiple breakdown of what might/could happen during these last two weeks or so of the regular season to someone more versed than me.  Who could get in and who stays at home.  Thoughts please.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 02:49:09 PM
bcal, I am waiting for the Regional Rankings to be released on Feb 8th to look at the prospects for hosting a Sectional, which MC and McM have a good chance to do, and for getting one of the 21 Pool C bids.

The Ladies' brackets have the South Region playing the West Region this year.  The top 3 teams in South Region look to be Randolph-Macon, McMurry and MissColl.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 07:40:20 PM
McM 55 TLU 33, 14:27 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 07:54:41 PM
McM  66, TLU 42,   9:14 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 08:11:21 PM
Nice mention by Pat Coleman in the Ponderings section of Around the Nation this week.

He makes the case that McM-HSU is the finest Women's rivalry in the country.

I really hope that we do get to play HSU 4 times this year!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 02, 2006, 08:17:08 PM
Final:


HSU  96
SU    58

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 08:18:00 PM
McM 84 TLU 60.  Final.  McM is 16-1 Conference /17-1 South Region / 19-1 overall.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 02, 2006, 09:01:57 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 08:11:21 PM
Pat Coleman . . .  makes the case that McM-HSU is the finest Women's rivalry in the country.

I've always thought the more intense rivalry was between HPU and HSU but I have not been following the teams as long as some.  There just seems to be such bitterness between HPU and HSU, especially among the fans.  I don't see the emotion in comments by McM fans that I do from the HPU faithful. 

Either way, HPU, HSU and McM are all giving us plenty to get excited over these days!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 02, 2006, 09:03:55 PM
Oh, and was Ralph Turner referred to as "Dr." because of his obvious knowledge of the game or because he really is a doctor, either medical or of the PhD variety?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 09:09:34 PM
You know how it is among those Baptist...if you have 20 Baptists, you have one congregation.  By the time you have 30 Baptists, you have 2 congregations. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 02, 2006, 09:22:57 PM
Ralph is that hate speech?


Just joking. 

In 2000 the big rival series was of course HSU vs. MCM.  Since then the HPU team has been a force until finally winning last year. 
It has not been that hot between HSU and Mcm until last year. 
And as not forget MC they have normally been the force of the east but have not until this year shown that they can beat the good teams in the west.
Having the playoffs in Clinton  will give them their first chance of not being a runner up.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 02, 2006, 09:49:15 PM
Ralph, reference to Post #684...you don't know how true that is...or, maybe you do!  I like that description about Baptists...and I'll be using it.   :D

Maybe that is why there is always more then one Baptist church in a city, regardless of the size!

I also agree that the HPU/HSU rivalry is just as intense as the McM/HSU rivalry.  I heard recently that they keep a section of seats EMPTY between the fans at the games to keep them apart!   :(

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 10:06:23 PM
Quote from: calhsu on February 02, 2006, 09:22:57 PM
Ralph is that hate speech?


It is only hate speech when the respective congregants are talking about each other! ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 02, 2006, 11:17:18 PM
AC beat MC 59-56 in overtime. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SLP on February 02, 2006, 11:26:29 PM
Way to go AC!!!  Great game-could be an important win,
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 02, 2006, 11:29:03 PM
golfnut if you are reading...congratulations to your girls...i know this was a great win...for those of you who think that there are no teams in the ASC except the 3 ranked ones, watch out because those other teams you talk about just might kick you in the rear.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SLP on February 02, 2006, 11:31:18 PM
Excellent post, Millie!  On any given night.......
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 11:33:32 PM
That AC win just knocked the LadyChocs down a notch in the South Region Rankings.  That may help in seedings for the brackets should MC get the Pool C bid.

Both HSU and MC now have 16-2 South Region records.

As I look at recent boxscores, it appears that Lacey Kennedy is not playing.  I assume she is still injured.  MC has clinched a playoff berth and their magic number for the ASC-East is 4 over UT-Tyler (which is ineligible for the playoffs) and 5 with ETBU pending tonight's game with UT-Tyler.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SLP on February 02, 2006, 11:45:11 PM
Lacey Kennedy played tonight against AC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2006, 01:02:41 AM
UT-Dallas 78 LeTU 64.

http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/WBB/WBBMAIN.htm

UT-Tyler 90, ETBU 86.

http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/basketball/wschedule0506.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2006, 11:15:59 AM
Quote from: nash on February 02, 2006, 11:17:18 PM
AC beat MC 59-56 in overtime. 

Did everyone else catch the poignancy of that AC win over Miss Coll?

The game in Clinton was to be the next game for the late AC basketball player, Brittany Simpson.  :)

Congratulations to the Lady Roos!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 03, 2006, 06:15:48 PM
DITTO...to what Ralph is saying!

Congrats to AC!!!

That win is SPECIAL!!!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 01:56:21 PM
The McMurry broadcast crew reports that the Schreiner Head Coach enforced some disciplinary issues by withholding playing time during the HSU game.

http://athletics.schreiner.edu/WBasketball/020206w.htm

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/stats-womenbasketball/su.htm

The Lady Mountaineers are back to full strength for the McMurry game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 02:14:30 PM
Media timeout, McM 12 Schreiner 10; 13:45 left.

SU FG 5-8 with Tasha Fennell FG 3-3.
McM hitting 43%.

McM 14-10 on a FG by Amber Horton.

McM has subbed Horton and Horton picked up 2 quick fouls.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 02:27:28 PM
McM--Jennifer Paetzold 3FG McM 22-10.  Good points for McM from their bench. 
McM--Venekamp Fg McM 24-10.
SU--Burton reb.
McM--Tuttle fouled.
McM--Richardson FT   2-2; McM 26-10.  7:49 left.  12-0 run
SU--Paetzold steals and passes to Venekamp 3FG.  McM 29-10.
SU--Timeout.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 02:33:05 PM
That last run was spurred by "Bench" players Jennifer Paetzold and DeeDee Burton.  I like that McM depth!

It is like the McMurry Coaches roll out the starters and then wait to see the flow of the game and plug in "bench" players who can come in and take advantages of mismatches!

That means that every player has the chance to excel in the system.

SU--Paetzold reb.
McM--Paetzold 3FG, her 2nd 3FG.
SU--Fennell FG. 
McM--Paetzold 3FG  39-13.  4:45.

What a run by Jennifer Paetzold!  And it has come in a 25-3 run!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 02:43:14 PM
McM--Amanda McEwen and Allison Nelson for Paetzold and Richardson.

SU--Nelson rebound
McM--Sawyer Fg 45-15.
SU--Nelson fouls Lopez FT 1-2.  45-16 2:20
McM--Tuttle gets a steal and a layup. 47-16
SU--McEwen strips and SU blocks
SU--McM's Nelson gets her 3rd foul...

McM--Nelson Fg McM 49-20.
SU--OOB
McM--0:22 traveling
Half--McM 49-20.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 03:05:07 PM
McM 62 SU 25 -- 17:00 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 03:09:48 PM
Media Timeout  McM 70 - SU 25  14:55 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 03:30:34 PM
MCM 79, SU 40, Schreiner has had 23 FT attempts in the 2nd half, and only had 6 in the first half.  9:01 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 04, 2006, 03:33:01 PM
Final:

HSU 71

TLU 57

Saturday...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 03:42:04 PM
McM   86   SU  45,  4:34
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 03:53:13 PM
McM 103, SU 54.  The good thing about this game is that the younger players held and pulled away from SU in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 04:00:59 PM
SU's Monica Enriquez sat out the first half with 3 quick fouls in 4 minutes.  She finishes with 15. Fennell also finished in double figures.

McM--Richardson 24, Venekamp 20, Sawyer, 11, Paetzold 10, Horton 9. All players scored.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 04, 2006, 06:07:46 PM
HPU 69 UMHB 38 FINAL!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 05, 2006, 01:29:49 AM
What has happened to MC?   
The two loses this week change the playoff picture a great deal.  Right now I say that MCM and HSU are in good shape to both make the big dance if they continue to play the level theyare at now. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2006, 01:46:38 AM
Quote from: calhsu on February 05, 2006, 01:29:49 AM
What has happened to MC?   
The two loses this week change the playoff picture a great deal.  Right now I say that MCM and HSU are in good shape to both make the big dance if they continue to play the level theyare at now. 

http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=48665

MC 30 fouls, UOz 17 ?  but fouling at the end?

MC has "losses to give", even if they don't want to give them!

They are 2 up in the loss column over UT-Tyler.

I have always thought that McM and HSU would probably make the playoffs.  I am a little worried about MC getting a Pool C bid now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on February 06, 2006, 03:55:31 PM
IS UT-TYLER ELIGIBLE FOR POST SEASON.  ACCORDING TO THE ASW STANDINGS, THEY ARE NOT. DOES ANYONE KNOW FOR SURE? 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on February 06, 2006, 04:08:34 PM
HEY, JUST READ MY FIRST POST! I LIKE THIS!
BIG WEEK COMING UP FOR HOWARD PAYNE WITH MCURRY ON THURSDAY FOLLOWED BY THE HSU COWGIRLS ON SATURDAY.
COWGIRLS ARE ON A ROLL AND REALLY ARE COMING TOGETHER AS A TEAM ( SOME GREAT BENCH PLAY) WITH COACH DOING A GREAT JOB OF PUSHING ALL THE BUTTONS.
LOOKING FORWARD TO SOME GREAT GAMES!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2006, 05:58:15 PM
Welcome, Pirate!

One Granbury question first...how good is Andrew King and why did he choose Hendrix over everyone else? ;)

UT-Tyler is in the 3rd year of provisional status for the NCAA.  They can win the division, but are ineligible for the Tourney and post-season NCAA play.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2006, 06:08:41 PM
Hey ASC fans,

Let's take our partisan caps off for a minute and look at the respect that the conference is getting.

The voters noted the hard MissColl road trip and did not drop the Lady Chocs completely out of the Top 25 for a 2-loss week, but landed at #24.  They understood the Austin College-MC game after the tragic death of AC's Brittany Simpson.

The voters recognized (in the words of one national expert) "...the best Women's rivalry in the country" and gave both schools credit.

McMurry only dropped from #9 to #11,
and HSU jumped from #17 to #13,
and only 33 votes apart!

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/06/week9.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 06, 2006, 07:23:25 PM
Ralph, you are right.  MC is lucky that they are still listed 24th.  Now they need to regroup and win out the season and the conference tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 06, 2006, 10:11:02 PM
It should be big in Abilene this weekend.  Dballa couldn't believe HPU losing to both McM and HSU in the Mausoleum, and thought it was a fluke.  I think he was right.  HPU's field goal percentages for those two games were 26% and 24.2%, not real great.  But the lowest figure in the games since then is 34.4, with percentages as high as 51.9% (against CUA).  We have to expect a much better team to play here in Abilene than played a month ago in Brownwood.  Get ready, Lady Indians!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 06, 2006, 10:15:21 PM
This weekend should definitely be very exciting.  I don't really think the loss to McMurry was a fluke, but HPU sure didn't help their case by shooting so poorly at home.  The game against HSU should have been won by HPU.  If they would have just shot even close to 30% they would have won that game.  They have been playing great defense lately and if their defense plays as well this weekend as they did against UMHB and CUA, it could be a very fun and exciting weekend for HPU.

I'll be there for both rooting on my ladies :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 07, 2006, 06:27:07 PM
It is so nice that everyone is getting to saying nice things about each other.  To bad HPU will lose both games.  The Indians are fired up and will win.  Upset by that loss the Jackets will play even worse on Saturday.  Besides HSU is back.  Other than last years playoffs when has HPU ever played well in Abilene.   It will not be this year.

HPU should really cherish last year.  They won, they earned it.   Just like all the many years HSU  has to look back on.   But this year it is a battle of two teams.  I will let you guess who they are.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on February 08, 2006, 10:16:41 AM
Calhsu,
Easy there. you are being a little harsh.  While I am a die hard HSU fan, you have to look at the talent on all 3 teams and it is pretty much a push.  I will give the Cowgirls the edge on the bench.  The biggest factor will be which is team is hot and I believe the Cowgirls still have better games in them and are starting to heat up.  After beating McMurry last time, they know they can beat anybody around and this dose of confidence will go a long, long way.  For conference standings I would love to see HPU beat McMurry and but it is hard to do in their gym and the same goes for HSU.  The Cowgirls learned last year that the only sure NCAA bid comes from the Conference tourney and that is their one and only goal!  The tourney will be an awesome event for girls basketball,
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 08, 2006, 11:29:47 AM
I don't have one bad thing to say about  the ladies of HPU.  I'm sure they are great persons.  They were coming off great season,  one they could of build a more soild image.  In the past they would talk all year and occasionaly beat HSU at home,  but never a big playoff victory.They are having a better than average season but have not shown that they can beat the better teams. I give credit where it is due.  I certainly give MCM credit for still being able to beat HSU.  If last week was some emotional thing and they get over it maybe MC still may have what it takes.  When they win in Abilene you can tell me how wrong I was.  And I will say they made a big jump in their game.  ------I don't expect I will have to make such a statement.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on February 08, 2006, 12:31:51 PM
Well  said!

Go Cowgirls!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 08, 2006, 03:52:49 PM
when do the regional standings come out
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2006, 05:03:14 PM
South
1. McMurry 18-1 20-1
2. Oglethorpe 16-2 18-3
3. Randolph-Macon 17-1 19-2
4. Hardin-Simmons 17-2 18-2
5. Mississippi College 16-3 16-3
6. Bridgewater (Va.) 17-4 17-4

The good thing about this is that Oglethrope still must get past Depauw (#1 in the Great Lakes Region) in the SCAC tourney.

Oglethorpe hosts Trinity this weekend.

Randolph-Macon and Bridgewater VA play in the ODAC Post-season the weekend of the ASC tourney.

The Women and Men do things slighlty differently.  Always check the handbook if you have a question. :)

2006 Women's Handbook (http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2006/2006_d3_w_basketball_handbook.pdf)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 08, 2006, 10:19:34 PM
Okay, I have been relatively quiet this week, but no longer... come on pirate how can you say HSU has the stronger bench? You look at the stats from the games, and McM ladies bench get more playing time and have better stats than the HSU bench. Our bench is deeper and stronger. Our starters have played less and have been more productive, and our bench has played in more games and been productive in those minutes. And honestly as a McM fan, I hope when HPU comes to town, we win at our house and HPU wins at HSU. No game comes easy at this time of the year and upsets are always looming, but I think we will win out and win the west. Our ladies proved last week that the fire is back and we're ready.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 09, 2006, 10:30:33 AM
An article in today's Abilene Reporter-News has it right: while this week's games in Abilene are with HPU, the real issue is McM-HSU!  The article is online at

http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_basketball/article/0,1874,ABIL_7991_4452012,00.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 09, 2006, 11:11:49 AM
As a HSU fan I am glad HPU is as good as they are.  At this point in the season it is important  to have good competion.  A concern I have about the Cowgirls is a lack of competion in their schedule.  Really, in a 27 game schedule you have to say they have five tough games. (2 MCM, 2 HPU, 1 MC) 
They had no games outside the ASC.   
The football team has come to understand the value of playing outside of Texas.  I have noticed that since Briggs has been coach HSU has stopped playing  tough teams in preseason.  I don't know if that is what see prefers or what she has money to do.  But judging by how so many other sports go so many other places I would think it is Briggs choice.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on February 09, 2006, 12:15:42 PM
fanstand-
HSU bench 12 pts - McMurry bench 7 pts

Just what did McMurry prove last week?--- they can beat Texas Lutheran and Schreiner who have combined records of 8 wins and 34 losses. Wow!











Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on February 09, 2006, 01:51:52 PM
pirateonthebrazos, just to get the facts straight and numbers, McM bench has outscored every team's bench except HSU on the night they lost. McM 7 points to HSU 12 points. McM's bench had 44 points against SU who when they played had ALL THEIR STARTERS playing their usual minutes unlike when they played HSU and McM's bench had 31 points against TLU. McM's bench is playing well. HSU has a strong bench player with Singletary, but she is the only one receiving quality minutes from the bench. Her game has just stepped up after bringing HSU from behind at HPU earlier this season. Today's game is going to be intense along with the rest of the regular season games left to play. The 4th place spot is up for grabs and everyone will be playing their best ball. I am ready for the tournament to see what matchups will take place. The ASC is on the rise and the best of luck to all the teams in their remaining games!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 02:09:21 PM
Quote from: calhsu on February 09, 2006, 11:11:49 AM
... Really, in a 27 game schedule you have to say they have five tough games. (2 MCM, 2 HPU, 1 MC) 


In all fairness to the new Head Coach at UMHB, I believe that that program will bounce back as the players get with Coach Kirkpatrick's program.  The Lady Cru are 6-5 in the last 11 games.

We would have had a very hard ASC West in that case.  CUA misses All-American Ashley Edwards, another challenge for a team.

We just need the East to get stronger.  AC has been a perennial contender in the East. So we need to replace them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 09, 2006, 02:16:07 PM
Coaches Nichols and Densmen know the importance of both of these games this weekend.  HPU will be coming with the intent of taking boths contest, at McM and HSU.  Good luck to all.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 09, 2006, 02:49:06 PM
matlk,  i may be wrong but when McM played MC (and MC lost) MC's bench scored 31 and McM scored 23. this is what i got off of MC's stats...not that it matters but lets keep the facts straight
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 06:48:14 PM
13:25 McM 11-5.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 07:04:54 PM
9:24 Media Timeout   McM leads by 7.  McM 14-7  Scoring drought.
McM--HPU ties.
HPU--Daniels on the put-back. McM 14-9.
McM--Richardson FT  1-2.
HPU--Daniles FG.
McM--Sawyer 3FG.  McM 18-11
HPU--7:30.  Whittier 3FG on a pass back from Daniels. McM 18-14
McM--Daniels rebs
HPU--McM rebs
McM--HPU rebs.
HPU--Richardson blocks a shot.
HPU--6:22,  Pippins FG. McM 18-16.
McM--Paetzold rebs, Engelke FG.  McM 20-16.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 07:06:23 PM
HPU--Richardson rebs.
McM--HPU Rebs.
HPU--Richardson blocks Daniels' shot. 
Media timeout.   McM 20-16.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 07:14:23 PM
HPU--4:30; Paetzold knocks it away; Daniels inbounds, Daniels FG.  her 9th pt.
McM--Richardson misses.  Paetzold fouls.
HPU--Paetzold fouls Hohertz 3:42 left.  Hohertz FT  2-2. Tied at 20.
McM--miss.
HPU--2:52; Horton fouls Daniel. 1&1. Miss.
McM--Engelke rebs. knocked down. Officials are allowing a very tough style of play from HPU.
HPU--Daniels is fouled by Tuttle. FT 1-2.  HPU 21-20.
McM--Richardson FG McM 22-21.
HPU--Hohertz 3FG HPU 24-22.
McM--Burton FG. tied at 24.
HPU--Daniels drives HPU 26-24.
McM--Daniels steals.
HPU--Pippins on the putback. FG. HPU 28-24.
McM--Richardson FG.

HPU 28 McM 26; at the half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 07:19:46 PM
HPU outrebounding McM 26-15.

HPU was 6-8 from the foul line; McM 2-4 on Ft's.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 07:39:47 PM
McM--Blalock fouls Richardson.
McM--Richardson FT 0-2.
...


HPU--Venekamp rebs
McM--Richardson runs and scores.
HPU--Sawyer steal
McM--(HPU in 2-3 zone) Richardson Fg.  McM 32-30 17:10
HPU--Engelke rebs.
McM--Richardson FG great pass by Engelke. FT 1-1. McM 35-30 all nine by Richardson.
HPU--offensive foul. 16:39
McM--Hohertz rebs.
HPU--Sawyer fouls. her 3rd.
HPU--16:13, Pippins on the putback.
McM--Pippins rebs.
HPU--15:30  Buker FG.  McM35-34.
McM--Sawyer 3FG on the inbound McM 38-34.
HPU--Buker offensive foul, her 3rd, also Hoffman and Blalock
McM--Engelke FG McM 40-34.
HPU--Richardson blocks
McM--Pippins rebs.
HPU--Daniels offensive foul, her second.

Media timeout  McM 40-34, just over 14:00 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 07:49:54 PM
HPU--Daniels  FT  2-2. McM 42-38.  (McM's Sawyer got her 4th foul.)
McM- turnover
HPU--12:30, Richardson blocks Wallenmeyer.
HPU--12:09;  Burton rebs.
McM--Horton is fouled going for the layup. Bonus for McM.  FT 2-2. 11:48; McM 44-38; Richardson is getting a rest.
HPU--FG  McM 44-40.
McM--Pippins blocks.
HPU--10:59. Hohertz 3FG. McM 44-43.
McM--Burton FG. McM 46-43.
HPU--10:30; Hohertz 3FG.. Tied at 46.
McM--Daniels rebs.
HPU--Hohertz 3FG. HPU 49-46.
McM--Blocked by Pippns.
HPU--9:00--Burton rebs.
McM--8:30--Buker steals
HPU--layup 51-46 HPU
McM--8:09. media timeout.  HPU 13-2 run while Richardson is on the bench resting, but there were three 3FGs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 07:57:36 PM
HPU--Englke blocks.  Richardson is back
McM--Horton fouls.
HPU--bad pass.
McM--oob off Buker. 7:19  HPU 51-46.
McM--HPU Richardson fouled on the putback.
McM--Richardson FT  1-2. 7:01 HPU 51-47.
HPU--6:30; Richardson blocks
McM--Daniels rebs
HPU--6:03; jump ball--HPU
HPU--Engelke rebs
McM--Pippins rebs. 5:20
HPU--Pippins rebs, 4:50 turnover
McM--Horton lay-up on a transition basket. HPU-- 51-49
HPU--Wallenmeyer FG.
McM--Richardson putback  HPU 53-51.
HPU--FG
McM--3:10 timeout.  HPU leads 55-51.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 07:59:37 PM
McM--Richardson FG  HPU  55-53
HPU--timeout  2:39
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 08:04:33 PM
HPU--shot clock violation
McM--Richardson misses, Engelke rebs. Sawyer misses. HPU rebs.
...
...
...several
...
...McM 1:20 left.  Sawyer 3Fg McM 56-55.
HPU--Daniels rebs. Jump ball McM ball. 0:45.
McM--timeout McM.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 08:07:12 PM
Several exchanges during that time.  Frenetic pace.
McM--Richardson. blocked off. OOB off Tippin.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 08:10:02 PM
HPU--Wallenmeyer scores over Richardson.  HPU 57-56. 0:03.2 secs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 09, 2006, 08:11:31 PM
Final:

HSU   76

SRSU 31

.....................................
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 08:13:12 PM
HPU has burned 2 timeouts.

McM did not get a shot off.

HPU wins 57-56.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 08:28:08 PM
McM and HSU are currently tied for first place, but HSU has the tie-breaker by having a better record against Division opponents.

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/pdffiles/policy-tiebreaker-allsports.pdf

HPU is one game behind in the ASC-West standings and move into a 2nd place tie.

Stats:
HPU

Hohertz 18; Daniels 18; Buker 12(?? my signal cut out?)

FG 22-64 34%; 3FG 5-20; FT 8-10; Rebs 55;

McM--

Richardson 30 pts; Sawyer 12 on 4 treys.
FG  23-63; 3FG 4-11 all by Sawyer; FT 6-11 (ouch!!!)  Rebs 31.

HPU wanted it badly.  Go Lady Jackets!


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on February 09, 2006, 08:31:56 PM
Way to go, Cowgirls!
Now, get ready for the big game Saturday!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 09, 2006, 09:02:43 PM
MC 70 LeT 49.  Congrats to HPU, one down, one to go
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 09, 2006, 10:45:09 PM
Congrats Lady Jacket! Really starting to come together, I heard a stat the HPU out rebounded MCM +24 which is suprising. Sounds like it was a great game, good luck Saturday agaisnt HSU, stay focused.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 09, 2006, 10:57:22 PM
McMurry lady Indians were beaten off the boards rather badly.  HPU, a very good team, sat back in their zone defense leaving McMurry to hid outside shots.  If those shots did not fall, the rebound went to HPU.  The lady jackets won the rebounding at both ends.  A team can't shoot in the mid 30s percentagewise and win.  The lady Indians made 6 of 11 free throws.  Given all of the above, they lost by only one.  I think it is all part of the maturity process.  McMurry is a young team, very young.  Many of the players have gained a lot of playing time that can only bear good fruit as this team goes forward. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 09, 2006, 11:02:26 PM
It is easy to say.   I was wrong.  Congrats to HPU on the win.  Good for you.   I' m sure the Cowgirls are ready for you, want you to  bring it on   Couple of reasons for the outcome.   I will say HPU played a great game.   Second I wonder if the load of being the front runner has got to MCM.  They are not use to that role.   You have to admit the Cowgirls played that role well over the years.

Now it is wide open for the four teams.
With all due respect Ralph,  Sure some of the teams have good players,  the rest of teams though are still bad.  To be sure in the past MHB has been a force,  but not this year.  Right now they are just beating other bad teams.     I guess I don't buy your belief Ralph that Texas is this pool of great women players.  Don't get upset,  I'm not saying there are not good and great player in Texas.  I'm just saying there is not an unlimited pool.  Sul Ross would have most likely lost all its games in most conference in the country.   Texas Tech and Baylor have won a national championships but over all Texas has not proved to be year in and year out an over whelming force.  
I am growing in my confidence in the Cowgirls.  Regardless of the fact of who has the  "greatest bench,"  the cowgirls are playing a better team game.  I think in the beginning  of the season they had to adjust to a player of the level of West.   Now she playing a role and is not the team.  
I can admit being wrong.  But I will stick to my prediction of a ten point loss for HPU.  And if I need I will admit being wrong if needed.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 11:29:07 PM
calhsu, I was trying to be diplomatic about UMHB.  UMHB's Lisa Martinez was voted the ASC-West Pre-Season POTY, but she left the team before the season began.  I don't know why. It doesn't matter now.  That would be a different UMHB Lady Cru.

As for one of the finest Lady Vols in UTennessee history, you may have seen her father play at HSU. Yes, I remember Harvey Catchings at HSU.
His daughter Tamika went to Duncanville High School.

http://utladyvols.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/archive/hist_retired_jerseys.html

Everyone recruits Texas High School athletes.  Many great athletes leave the state. 

And we are forgetting Trinity, the 2003 National Champion.  Some great athletes actually came to Texas that time.

I would say that there are very few conferences in D3 women who have much depth to their quality.  I put the ASC-West up there with the best.

The ASC has had 2 Jostens nominees in the last 4 years.  Not as good as some, but a whole lot better than most.

One specific criticism that I hear is the ability of our women players to put the ball on the floor and drive the basket and not travel.  That is one skill that I hear is perfected better in Ohio and Pennsylvania players.

You have been on the left coast too long, good friend! :D :D ;D ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 10, 2006, 12:00:33 AM
Yes Ralph,  Harvey Catching was at HSU two of my years. And  I watched with pride his daughter.   But being on the left coast I would know of another state that loses a fair share of its home grown talent.  The northern cal section my home team plays in had a two year state championship for girls that feature twins (daughters of Bubba Paris--football) they are now playing for Oklahoma. 

I just can't see how you can say that 2/3s  of the ASC are strong.   The ASC has very few wins in the playoffs.  Two  elite eight apperances.  All of the ASC wins in the playoffs come from two teams as you are well aware of.   When other teams step up like HPU did last year and win the conference and then win playoff games  then you can tell me that the confence is  good.   In football they have done that very thing.  Of course Texas has owned football this past year.   California was tired of the burden.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 10, 2006, 12:01:03 AM
Ralph,

I am impressed.  You seem to know eveything about everybody!!! :)  Good for you!!!

HSU's win over SRSU may prove to be costly.  Point guard, Sarah Hauk went down with a knee injury!!! :-\

If she is unable to play Saturday, it is bound to have a deleterious affect on the outcome! ???

We'll see...maybe others can step up!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2006, 12:11:17 AM
Ouch, that hurts about Sarah Hawk.  ACL? or do we know yet?

HPU can pull into a tie with HSU and then hope for a McMurry meltdown to get a tie or better.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 10, 2006, 12:23:24 AM
You know, its a game. Everytime it is played there is a loser and a winner coming off the floor. Sometimes it's you. We beat ourselves tonite, they got the last shot and we lost by one. Our season is not defined, we aren't whipped puppies. We are 20 wins with 2 losses. On any given day, I have been preaching that all year. We go back to the gym, we keep working. We are going to the tournament. We have the #1 point guard in D3, we have 4 players who have ranked in the top 100 players for weeks. I am proud of this team, not for basketball skills, but for who they are. They are the sweetest, most humble set of ladies and they deserve the attention they have been getting. We have 3 regular season games left, we win those and its the best regular season ever. Then on to the Tourney. Thats an accomplishment in itself. I am proud to support the L.I.B. team. Yes I hope HPU has HSU's number, but I am sorry for the injury to Sarah Hawk. And there will be no meltdown Ralph...........











Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 10, 2006, 12:37:45 AM
Congrats to both HPU and McM for playing a great game today.  More so for HPU :) I knew if they shot the ball like they are capable of doing it would be a close game whomever won it.  The thing i'm most disappointed about is the officiating.  If they were consistently bad then it would be one thing but they would make completely different calls for the same types of fouls or lack of fouls on both ends of the floor. 

Time to go into HSU and knock them off.  Way to go Lady Jackets!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 10, 2006, 12:46:05 AM
Dballa I agree about the officiating, it just wasn't consistent. You know there are 17 teams in the top 25 who have 2 or more losses. The west does have to be proud of the rivalry between the top 3 teams, it makes for great basketball. Frustrating, but great games none the less.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 10, 2006, 12:53:33 AM
You're right these rivalries are a lot of fun.  Except as I get older and the heart just isn't beating like it did a couple yrs ago :) 

I was disappointed with the crowd.  They started showing up right before the guys game started but there  just wasn't much of a crowd for the women's game until the last 5 mins or so. 

People need to realize if they go to these games they are seeing some of the best basketball in the state of Texas aside from schools with full scholarships.  I would much rather watch these women playing their hearts out for the love of the game and a good education.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 10, 2006, 01:51:35 AM
It sure is intresting how people from various teams are all llined up to see HSU lose this  Saturday.  Today is the first time in over a month they are in first (tied) and yet it seems that the old envy and hatred still lingers from former years. 

All the Cowgirls have to do to replace the injured girl is to have someone pass the play.  Their scoring has come from the post players all year. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 10, 2006, 08:17:45 AM
Calhsu, Ralph is right, you have been out on the left coast way too long. As a fan, I want my team to finish first. It has nothing to do with past teams! Duh. At least you HSU people will have an excuse if you do lose. Envious, please....give me a break. That is the arrogant attitude that people like me don't appreciate from people like you. And in Sarah Hawk's defense, I have seen her play she does more than "pass the play". GO HPU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 10, 2006, 09:30:42 AM
fanstand....First the winning tradition has a great deal to do with how HSU continues to win and why the rest of you love it when they have a loss. 

And now you have me saying  that Sarah is not a good player.   Of course she is, she starts for the division co-leader.  You said then that we would now have an excuse for not winning.  Well that is not what I meant,  her not playing will not decide the game.   It seems that MCM fans are the only one giving excues on why they lose.  I have proved that if I am wrong I will admit it;(see my post)   but what would you say  if I am right and HSU wins by ten,  or just wins.

I'm sure it will be the officating.  It always is when you guys lose.   When you win we just were so good.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 10, 2006, 09:31:19 AM
Quote from: dballa link=
Time to go into HSU and knock them off. 
quote]


That's easy for you to say!   :o

Go Cowgirls! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: imad3fanatic on February 10, 2006, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 11:29:07 PM
calhsu, I was trying to be diplomatic about UMHB.  UMHB's Lisa Martinez was voted the ASC-West Pre-Season POTY, but she left the team before the season began.  I don't know why. It doesn't matter now.  That would be a different UMHB Lady Cru.

Ralph - The diplomacy is appreciated, but there is more to the story on UMHB. New coach hired at the beginning of school year. 6'2" Post lost to injury before season starts. Pre-season POTY leaves team. Team starts 0-10, since then 7-5. The wins are against teams in the bottom of conference standings, but please a little love for a bunch of kids who have had to overcome a lot of adversity. Give the new coach a
year maybe two to recruit and establish her program and UMHB will be back. It has been a tough year for UMHB BB, the mens team lost their starting point guard. He was their playmaker and leading scorer. With him running the offense, the CRU put the only loss on the MC record.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 10, 2006, 09:44:01 AM
It doesn't matter if it is HSU, McM, HPU or any other team in this division, everybody wants teams other than their own to lose.  I couldn't care less if it was HSU or SRSU that we were playing Saturday that was 1 game ahead of us.  It's not about who you play it's about what you're playing for.  HPU had a goal to go into McM, play well and give themselves a chance to win.  They did that.  Now they have their focus set on Saturday's game and will prepare in the same way as they always do. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on February 10, 2006, 10:43:11 AM
The early on Sarah is an ACL.  What a great girl and ballplayer!  She will be sorely missed!  Sarah's absence will leave point guard duties to Rachel Cisneroz and Shanika Conaway.  Rachel is very capable of running the offense and Shanika is the best and quickest defender on the team.  I don't look for any fall off with either of these two on the floor.
Look for the Cowgirls to rally around Sarah's injury and play that much harder.

Go Cowgirls!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 10, 2006, 11:24:44 AM
Pirate good report on how HSU will deal with the loss of a great player.

The remarks about the left coast are funny when RUSH says them but from the rest of you they just seem silly.  Untill this site has a Texas, LA, Miss.  residency requirement I will keep giving my two cents.
It takes me a couple of hours drive to see any college action.  This year I  did go see a young lady play that I coach when she was in our city league.  She plays for another HSU,  Humboldt State.  DII

I certainly have reaction to the comment that the MCM point guard is the "best in the country."    I don't want to say anything bad about her.  I'm sure she is great,  but that kind of statement is only true if she shows it against some of the best teams in the country.  When HSU's Anderson won the Josten MVP she had three years of great games against some of the best teams in the country.  She almost single handedly beat Trinity who won the national championship.     Please don't take this as disrepect to her.  But if you make a statement like that you have to have more than good stats and a winning record.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2006, 01:02:08 PM
Kendra Anderson's Jostens was a great accolade to an outstanding player.  Just being accepted as one of 12 Jostens nominees is an incredible honor, 12 players from 400+ D3 teams!  Wow!

(She is a Colorado City, TX grad.  I have a wonderful picture of my maternal grandmother coaching girls' 3-on-3 basketball in the cotton fields besides Longfellow School in Mitchell County, Texas, from 1922.  Perhaps Kendra's great-grandmother is in that picture!)

As for Symbri, she is building her own legacy.  She was one of five Deans' List players at McMurry in Fall 2005.

The ASC always has a goodly number of outstanding scholar-athletes in Women's Basketball!

Would it be fair to say that the HSU Women's Basketball team probably wins the Athletic Department "Academic Trophy"? :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 10, 2006, 04:30:35 PM
If I say black, calhsu will say white........we will NEVER agree on anything........Where did Kendra Anderson come in this conversation anyway? She was a great player, not a point guard, why bring that up? I should have said, Symbri is the #1 assist leader in the D3 category, excuse me for not being more specific. That makes her a dang good point guard, she has helped McM get 20 wins, helped put them in the top 10 in their division, she is awesome in the class and on the court. My predictions have been pretty acurate all year, the top three teams, Schreiner's sucess, hpu slipping under the radar, so I missed last night by 1 stinking point. The officials were not at fault, I said we beat ourselves, they just weren't very consistent in their calls. So I want the McM lady indians to finish first, that means I want HSU to lose. Its not rocket science, it's supporting my team. And after that Trinity team beat your cowgirls, MY lady indians beat them when they were ranked #1, going back to the intangibles that I have talked about all year. I have not made excuses why we have lost two games, I blamed ourselves, no one else. So there. And the only thing left I can say to you is "May the good Lord bless and keep you"
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 10, 2006, 05:01:41 PM
One more minor stat for Symbri.....Marissa Coop of LeTourneau and Symbri have both broken the assists record for most assists in the ASC, set by Diana Martinez of HSU during her fine career at 439.  Marissa a senior has 499 and three games to play in her career, Symbri has 456 as a junior with at least 4 games and hopefully more than that left to play this year, and a whole other year to go!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 10, 2006, 05:22:33 PM
Diana had 439 assists, and she was the starting pg for only one season.  thats pretty awesome!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 10, 2006, 05:29:36 PM
Yes the Lord does bless each and every day.  
Kendra was brought up  because  she was said to be one of the best in the country.   She proved it in nationally ranked games.
If your wonderful MCM player helps wins the ASC playoffs, and then they win some game in the big dance,  I will say that I agree that she is one of the best in the country.

Get your history straight.  The year McM beat Trinity was the year AFTER they were national champs.  HSU beat them the year they were national champs.  And that year the lost to Trinity was their only loss.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 10, 2006, 05:35:19 PM
here is the line for Sonya West the year they beat Trinity:

4 rebounds
4 assists
3 blocks
29 points
34 minutes
12-19 shooting

nice.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 10, 2006, 05:40:10 PM
  Fanstand, Oh and since you mentioned the top ten ranking.  Enjoy it for the week.  You will not be there next week.

Now I know that was mean.   Truth is the polls are just for fun.  Great if you are there, but the real meaningful games start Saturday.  . 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 10, 2006, 06:04:34 PM
I know that. They were still ranked #1 when they beat them. You are a typical HSU fan, but my skin is thick so cheap shot all you want. At least we got to the top 10. We will see who wins and at the end of the year one of us will be eating crow. If its me put some BBQ sauce on it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 10, 2006, 08:29:08 PM
Since people are making predictions, here's another one: HSU will beat HPU tomorrow afternoon.  As a McM fan, I'd prefer the opposite, but we played a lackluster game yesterday (the Abilene paper had it right in today's story: we didn't look like a team that had only one loss all season up to then).  Despite our poor showing, we lost by only a point.  HSU is peaking right now, so I figure what HPU managed to do to beat us isn't going to be enough to take out HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on February 10, 2006, 08:51:53 PM
Calhsu...This is all I have to say about you....get over yourself and HSU!  You want to talk about the past, lets talk about last year when your team did when the West but they lost in the second round of the tournament to McM.  Yes, they might be coming together but things can change in the span of one game.  I hope that a whole lot of HPU students show up at the game tomorrow...and when they win they give good ole HSU the "Overrated" chant.  Best of luck to everyone in the games tomorrow and may the best team win!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 10, 2006, 08:56:07 PM
I think we'll have a good showing for the game.  The only bad thing is the HPU baseball team has a couple home games against Trinity, so there will be some students going to those games. 

It should be an exciting environment nonetheless. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2006, 09:03:16 PM
Congratulations, fellow ASC posters!

Our recent ripostes have vaulted the ASC in the 3rd place in page views among all of the Women's Message Boards with 13636 page views.

As of 7:57 pm, the MIAC is at 21,781 page views.  The Middle Atlantic Conference (actually the boards for the Freedom and Commonwealth Conferences) have had 15,828 page views.

We have surpassed the WIAC which currently has 13463 page views.

Travel safely and good luck to all competitors.  It is too late in the season to suffer a bad injury!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 11, 2006, 01:43:34 PM
last night cowgirl shanika conaways sister was killed in a car accident, by a drunk driver.  all our hearts and prayers go out to you and your family. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 01:52:42 PM
Ohhhh No-o-o-o-o-o-o! :'(  :'(  :'(

Prayers and condolences to Shanika and her family!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 01:54:15 PM
Last Regular Season home game for Seniors Carli Engelke and Jennifer Finstad!

Thanks for the enjoyment of your playing these last 4 years!

Get back on track!  Go L.I.B!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 02:15:11 PM
McM 14, SRSU 7  14:30 left in the 1st half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 11, 2006, 02:34:19 PM
hpu 30  hsu 30 4:30 left first half.  hpu is on fire from 3 pt line.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 02:42:34 PM
Halftime -- McM 37 SRSU 12.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 11, 2006, 02:44:22 PM
hpu 37 hsu 36 half.  hpu has hit  7  3 pointers.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 11, 2006, 02:49:47 PM
So sorry, Shanika!  :'(

Our prayers are with YOU and your family!

May God be with you...

Love and peace!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 11, 2006, 02:56:19 PM
hpu is shooting 10 of 30 w/ 7 (7-14)  3's.
meia daniels has 14 pts.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 03:06:23 PM
McM 49, SRSU 19, 13:30 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 03:31:05 PM
McM 69, SRSU 36;  4:38 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 03:40:27 PM
Final score McM 79, SRSU 43.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 03:45:20 PM
Announced at the McM game, final score from the Mabee Complex...

HPU Lady Jackets 66, HSU 64.

I wish that we could send 3 teams to the NCAA Tourney from the West, all to different brackets.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 11, 2006, 03:45:43 PM
HPU wins by two points!

Two great wins by them in Abilene!

Final:  66-64...I think!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 11, 2006, 04:02:45 PM
Our prayer are with Conaway family and the entire HSU team.  I know ya'll are strong and will get through this.
We will be thinking of you.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 06:38:06 PM
Quote from: d3fan4life on February 11, 2006, 01:43:34 PM
last night cowgirl shanika conaways sister was killed in a car accident, by a drunk driver.  all our hearts and prayers go out to you and your family. 

The other day, I heard of a judge that sentenced a drunk driver who killed an innocent person to 180 days in jail to be served...

Dec 24th thru Jan 1st, and
3 days around the victim's birthday, and
3 days around the birthday of the victim's mother and
3 days around the day of the accident,
every year for 10 years.

I do not like alcohol and driving!  >:(

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 11, 2006, 07:50:33 PM
ralph, that is a pretty cool punishment...at least he will have to think about what he has done for 10 years...rather that be sentenced to 7 and out in 2 (like the woman who's 18 yr old foster child had been starved for 12 yrs and weighed 65 lbs when he was rescued)

o.k. what about the polls, standings, etc...MC  beat ETBU by about 30 (hubby could not remember the score) they also beat LeT Thursday.  with MC back on track(we hope) and HPU stirring up the west....what now?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 11, 2006, 08:32:38 PM
That is tough to hear about Conaways family. 

I wish I could fully enjoy this win by the HPU Lady Jackets but it's hard to after watching how the men played. 

I am still waiting for my favorite poster calhsu to show up.  Although he's probably not able to talk too much with that foot in his mouth.

I said it before if they had shot just 30% in Brownwood they would have beaten HSU and would have been in the game against McMurry.  I think this weekend proves that. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 11, 2006, 08:38:23 PM
Ralph what happened to the ASC posts on the baseball board? I was going to post the HPU scores but couldnt' find it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 11, 2006, 08:40:45 PM
How tragic that another one in this conference has lost someone unexpectedly and in such a terrible way. Our thoughts and prayers are with their family. That is all I can say right now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2006, 09:33:36 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 11, 2006, 08:38:23 PM
Ralph what happened to the ASC posts on the baseball board? I was going to post the HPU scores but couldnt' find it.

We broke those up by region. The ASC is in the West Region for baseball, as you probably know.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 11, 2006, 09:55:33 PM
"Meia Daniels proved why she is probably the MVP of the ASC West with 23 points and nine rebounds. She buried five 3-pointers in the game. "

That statement was in the HSU article written today that is accesible on the front page.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 11, 2006, 09:56:10 PM
By the way my thoughts and prayers go out to the Conaway family as well.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 11, 2006, 10:15:05 PM
 Daballa,     Sorry to keep you waiting.  I did watch the gametracker till the end.  After the game I went out and committed sucide.  .....  No,  that is  just what you thought I would do.  What I did was went out and enjoyed our wonderful California day,  (around 70)

First things first.  Hats off to the jacket ladies.  I can't be more impressed for them to come and beat both Abilene teams.  
No,  not one excuse.  The Cowgirls didn't lose because of officating,  a death in the family.  They had one lady drop a couple of free throws in the last minute and the Cowgirls walked off with a two point loss.  
I was wrong,  I was wrong,  I was wrong  I was wrong.
Now are some of you happy
Now my turn.  Yes I did find one thing good about the loss. Only a half full person like myself could have thought of it.
Just imagine if the jacket player misses the free throws,  West grabs the ball and score and the Cowgirls win.  I know, wishful  thinking.   If that had happened they would have won but they would have two nail biting wins.  If you know anything about basketball teams have a really hard time winning like that three times.  So if you care about the long term it was better that they lose today than in a couple weeks.    I am not saying I am glad they loss,  but since they did,  believe it or  not  life has to go on.

I am not going to stop bugging you fanatics(I think that is nicer than being called arrogant,  We are not arragant, just spoiled with years of championships) from other teams.  I sort of thought that was what this form was about.  We don't play the games, we just voice opinions.  I'm beginning to think I catch more flack because I am not in Texas.    I have wonderful memories of my days in Texas but will never live there again,  that doesn't make me a bad person.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 11, 2006, 10:27:42 PM
Question for the all knowing Ralph.

What is the format for the conference playoffs.
How many teams go,  I could figure it out from there.

I am concerned about having access to following the games.  During that time  I will be in Turkey.  If they make the big dance I will be back by then.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 11, 2006, 11:27:55 PM
 :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 11:36:05 PM
Calhsu, the top 4 teams in each division hosted by Miss College.

Only LaCollege, LeTU, UT-Tyler a provisional NCAA member, Schreiner, TLU and SRSU have been eliminated.

The ASC homepage does not lay out the bracket, or at least I haven't seen it.  We will probably go down to deep tie-breakers for this one.  The Tie-Breaker criteria (and remember read "Division" and not conference) are at the very bottom of the home page.

You might check to see if you can internet broadcasts of the game from HSU's web site.

Travel safely!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 12, 2006, 01:01:11 AM
Calhsu, please do travel safe, and find a way to send some posts, I won't have anyone to pick on if not. Did you put ketchup on your crow, or did you wrap it in a lettuce leaf? And who says Meia is a lock for POY, what about Tarra or Symbri? I know that article was written by HSU they couldn't stand for it to go to a Mcm player, and another thing why did the top 25 polls change today? That's usually a Monday or Tuesday thing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2006, 01:10:39 AM
Fanstand, which "Top 25 polls"?  D3hoops.com?  Or WBCA?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 12, 2006, 01:21:21 AM
D3 hoops on my computer has at 11 today, I have a schedule for Tourney with seedings and times.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2006, 01:22:21 AM
Our poll did not change today.

Quote from: fanstand on February 12, 2006, 01:21:21 AM
D3 hoops on my computer has at 11 today, I have a schedule for Tourney with seedings and times.

Huh? Has what at 11 today?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 12, 2006, 01:23:41 AM
On my computer top 25 teams has Mcm at 11 and Hsu at 13, different from yesterday, am I crazy?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2006, 01:26:23 AM
Only if you didn't hit refresh any time since Monday morning.

Don't use the built-in AOL browser, that's a piece of crap. AOL tries to save money by saving copies of web pages on their own servers and then sending you those pages instead of the most updated version.

When you log into AOL, go back to your Start button (if you're using Windows) and use the Internet Explorer Bill Gates forced you to have on your hard drive. Or better yet, download Firefox (http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/central/), which is just plain better.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 12, 2006, 01:28:49 AM
I am techno-tarded, computer challanged....sorry, will try and keep up, didn't have a clue it changed. Thanks for the info
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2006, 01:34:02 AM
That's OK -- you'd be doing OK if AOL weren't holding you back. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 12, 2006, 10:25:09 AM
Calhsu, when I was in Istanbul a couple of years ago there were internet cafes on every corner!  Be sure to drop in and log on to D3Hoop.com!  We need your insight!  About 70 cents in American money will give you plenty of time to express yourself to your heart's desire!  Just watch the time you spend in that cloud of second-hand smoke that will be your constant companion in those places. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 12, 2006, 08:23:46 PM
Inthepaint,  My wife has told me that I will find those same internet sites.   What an age we live in,  a Californian in Turkey writing people in Texas.

I had to laugh a little when I noticed when the posts stopped  this morning.   Right before time for church.   The reason I notice such is not the case in pagan California.
I call it job security.

Of course HPU has to be considered in the polls this week. Could this be a week we four ASC teams are listed?   Now that is something to be proud of.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 13, 2006, 11:30:01 AM
Quote from: calhsu on February 12, 2006, 08:23:46 PM
I call it job security.

I need a little explanation.  What is it that you do out there on the left coast?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 13, 2006, 11:52:39 AM
    INthepaint.   Well I am a voice crying in the wilderness, a shepherd,  counselor,  friend,  teacher, chaplain,  oh an I get paid to be a pastor.    While I was at HSU I was a pupil of my pastor James Flamming of FBC.  I hate to admit this also. While I was at HSU I never attended a ladies basketball game,  never missed a men's game.  All this while being the sports editor of the Brand.  Times change,  I had two daughters,  after years of coaching girls,  I much prefer the women's style of play.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 13, 2006, 12:04:02 PM
calhsu...it is really interesting to find out what some of the people on this board do...for the first year on the board i thought everyone (just listening to the post) were young male college students...i would love to hear more
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on February 13, 2006, 01:01:10 PM
HSU officials had hoped to keep Shanika's sisters death from the team until after the HPU game. Unfortunatly they were forced to tell the team 30 minutes before they took the floor.  It was parents day for the HSU players.  The players and parents were introduced before the game.  Believe me it was very sobering walking out on that floor with your daughter knowing she was grieving inside for her teammate.  I asked her if she was ready to play and she said "no, but the team had no choice, we gotta play." After Sarah's ACL, and Shanika's tragic news the Cowgirls played well but their hearts and heads were elsewhere, and they nearly pulled off the victory.   After game the game I asked my daughter what she wanted to do,  she said "Take me home Daddy, I just want go home."
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 13, 2006, 01:04:58 PM
I am glad to know that it is a fellow pastor who takes about as much heat on this site as I find coming my way!  8)  

Two years ago I spent 8 days in Istanbul working with an IMB group.  We stayed in Taksim.  I will be joining your network of warriors lifting you before the throne.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 13, 2006, 01:08:25 PM
Quote from: pirateonthebrazos on February 13, 2006, 01:01:10 PM"Take me home Daddy, I just want go home."

My friend, we are praying for your daughter, her teammates, and for this family that grieves.  We have had TWO TOO MANY reminders this season that this is a game, haven't we? 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 13, 2006, 01:13:25 PM
Oh, and one more post before I head out of the office:

Congratulations to the Lady Jackets for their weekend in Abilene.  Their coach obviously led them to look past the poor performances of the past couple of weeks and forward to the challenges they were facinig.  Way to make the most of the trip, ladies!  Whooo-hoooo!  ;D

While I have yet to see a game this season I have found things to be as exciting as one could hope for.  McM, HSU and HPU are all three strong contenders for the conference title.  I don't mean to look past MC . . . I certainly should not . . . but I must conclude that the three leaders of the West will ultimately produce the champ!  What a run to the wire!  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 13, 2006, 02:15:14 PM
I am really blown away that the Cowgirls went on the court in that situation and kept it together at all.   

Still no excues.  HPU won and that will never change.

But I am even more convinced now than before.  Given a third game,  HSU by 10.   I may not always been right but at lest I'm consistent.   Hopefully not consistently wrong.

Inthepaint,  I am going on a pastor's tour of the seven cites of revelation,  and Troy and finishing up in Istanbul.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 13, 2006, 04:47:44 PM
Check out the new poll http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/

ASC has 4 teams in the Top 25. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 13, 2006, 05:16:26 PM
The poll seems screwy.  It seems to me all three ASC West women's teams should have the same ranking.  McMurry is in first place in the ASC West by only 2 points -- its margin of victory over Mississippi College at the start of the season.  Without those two points, there would be a 3-way tie right now.  Otherwise, McM, HSU, and HPU have all beaten the same teams and have a win/loss each with each other.  Momentum would give the lead to HPU, or holding up in the face of tragedy to HSU.

After what has happened with two deaths impacting on the season, I'm really looking forward to all of this being over.  As others have said, who wins or loses becomes of little import in the perspective of these larger issues.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 13, 2006, 08:58:07 PM
Any score from Alpine?

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 13, 2006, 09:00:06 PM
I don't have any scores out of Alpine yet, anxiously awaiting word on the games but out of Mississippi.... La College 71 MC 70.  Thats huge as far as momentum goes for MC into the conference tourney.  Losing 3 games late in conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 13, 2006, 09:25:12 PM
Final from Alpine -- HPU won 66-33  (It was a 9 point game at halftime)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 13, 2006, 09:26:10 PM
Thanks for the score from Alpine.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2006, 11:14:20 PM
My vote for biggest win in the ASC-East is

LC 71,  MC 70 in the Golden Dome!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 14, 2006, 09:08:17 AM
You're right Ralph.  I wasn't at the game but I talked to someone who was and they said it seemed if MC's head wasn't in it.  Natalie Jordan was injured in the early part of the game, status unknown.  I was at the ETBU game last Saturday and it looked like they were back on track, but now we'll see.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 14, 2006, 10:56:28 AM
I think it is hard for everyone's head to be in every game right now. We have to get by these last two games and not look ahead to the tourney. I think McM feels a new life and will take care of business this week and be ready for the trip to Mississippi. No one can afford to slack right here even if they are in the tourney with playoff bids coming up. I think the only teams that advance are the conference champ and the runner up if everyone wins out this week. I'm still in McM court, I know they can win the tournament. Player for player, I still feel they have the best team.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 14, 2006, 12:09:31 PM
Quote from: jmnaseum on February 13, 2006, 09:25:12 PM
Final from Alpine --

Gym Rat, what in the world have you done in days-gone-by to have garnered a -6 in the Karma Rating?  :o  Good gosh, man, that has to be a record!  Actually, I'm proud of you for having the ability to be a burr under a good number of saddle blankets! ;)

I looked back through old posts and see nothing with spite or significant attitude.  So, my hat is off to you!   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 14, 2006, 12:19:23 PM
Ralph,  If the playoff were this weekend,  I know that MCM would be the #1 seed from the west.  Who would be second and third?

I would have to say I am a little more concerned about the MHB game for HSU  than I would have been before the weekends loss and I don't mean the game.    The team would be more likely to be in heavy grief now  than they were on Saturday.  I'm sure they were in shock saturday and really just did what they had to.  (Still no excues for the loss.)
About the polls.   The polls are not about the short term.  They are not even just about this year.  Every year HSU is going to get votes because of what they put on the court year in and year out.  On a given year unless they lose more than four or five games they will be in the top 25.  Look how long it took MCM to get any respect,  if HSU had that start they would have been ranked in the top five before they lost a game.   And that is not to say anything about HPU.

The playoffs don't care about last week or last year.  Win you go, and lose your gone.  I do agree that the top two teams for the playoffs will go.  Unless the second team was a freak winner of the first to playoffs,  one of the teams not in the top four of the ASC.   MCM could have a small chance if they were not in the top two.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 14, 2006, 12:54:54 PM
calhsu,

I don't know if I agree with your thoughts on polls. The polls, in my opinion, should be based strictly on the year in progress. Yes some teams are going to get votes based on the program. I think HSU benefits from having a good program so they automatically get votes because they have that respect. Now do they always deserve the votes? That is not my call, nor will I touch the subject. It is not that HSU doesn't deserve the votes, but I think some votes are based on the program's history and not the current team's success.  This year obviously HSU deserves votes as does McM and HPU, obviously all three teams are extremely good. I agree you have to earn the respect, but sometimes the respect for a certain team overlooks their record for the current year. Just my take.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2006, 01:08:46 PM
Quote from: calhsu on February 14, 2006, 12:19:23 PM
Ralph,  If the playoff were this weekend,  I know that MCM would be the #1 seed from the west.  Who would be second and third?

I understand the conference by-laws to say that HSU gets the #2 seed by virtue of the advantage in the point differential, 3 pts to 2 pts (up to a "max" of 10 pts.)

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/pdffiles/policy-tiebreaker-allsports.pdf


I would have to say I am a little more concerned about the MHB game for HSU  than I would have been before the weekends loss and I don't mean the game.    The team would be more likely to be in heavy grief now  than they were on Saturday.  I'm sure they were in shock saturday and really just did what they had to.  (Still no excues for the loss.)
About the polls.   The polls are not about the short term.  They are not even just about this year.  Every year HSU is going to get votes because of what they put on the court year in and year out.  On a given year unless they lose more than four or five games they will be in the top 25.  Look how long it took MCM to get any respect,  if HSU had that start they would have been ranked in the top five before they lost a game.   And that is not to say anything about HPU.

I believe that HSU is getting points in the Polls because of history of being a strong competitive playoff team, and this year's record is giving no reason to suspect otherwise.

I believe that McMurry is getting poll points because they lead the ASC-West, historically a strong division/conference.  

HPU is also getting the same consideration.  (MissColl had been as well.)  My hope is that the ASC be known that its leader is perennially is a Top-10 calibre team.


The playoffs don't care about last week or last year.  Win you go, and lose your gone.  I do agree that the top two teams for the playoffs will go.  Unless the second team was a freak winner of the first to playoffs,  one of the teams not in the top four of the ASC.   MCM could have a small chance if they were not in the top two.

Well, sethhpu and I are somewhat saying the same thing,  but a conference's reputation for quality play can sustain itself as long as all teams are contributing to that reputation.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 14, 2006, 01:15:09 PM
Ralph,

What do you think the max # of bids the ASC will get. I think all four top 25 deserve it, but the regional rankings and NCAA I'm sure will say otherwise. Is it possible that we could get 3 bids?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 14, 2006, 01:18:24 PM
I don't know exactly who makes up the polling list, but until the teams in the ASC play a significant number of games against teams from the rest of the country then the accuracy of the poll will be questioned.  History breeds tradition not places on a poll.

If they can get it back together MC has a very balanced team and could prove to be formidable opponent at the conference tournament.  It would be a major coup for the East if they can win it all.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2006, 02:34:08 PM
sethhpu, before last night's loss by MissColl to LC, I thought that having 4 teams in the South Region Rankings might have given us 3 teams in the Tourney, 2 plus MissColl which is > 500 miles away.

If Miss Coll falls out of the In-Region ranking, then I will say only 2, if Miss Coll doesn't win the Pool A.

By Miss Coll not being a ranked team, the loss to an unranked team, which I perceive is less valuable, hurts HPU and HSU.  Likewise McM's win over MC loses value as well.

I may be off-base on this, but if I am considering criteria, I believe that playing a ranked team is better than any outcome with an unranked team.   I will appreciate any corrections to this belief (on-line or offline) by an official in committee capacity.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 14, 2006, 03:18:26 PM
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp

New Coaches Poll still has the 4 ASC teams in the Top 25. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 14, 2006, 06:28:26 PM
Maybe I did not make myself clear.  What I said was not the way I thought it "should be,"   but just the way it is year in and year out.   Right now in the the men's McMurrry and MC are the only team that get noticed.  That again is based on past history.  It is the same in football.  HSU is in till they get beat.  Now things change,  MHB in football gets attention because for a couple of year they have earned  attention.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 06:36:52 PM
HPU-6 TLU-0 16:00 min left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2006, 06:44:53 PM
Media timeout-- 14:28; McM 10, at CUA 6.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 06:48:15 PM
HPU-11 TLU-5 9:55 left in the first, media to
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2006, 06:52:33 PM
10:31 left  McM 20, CUA 15.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2006, 07:00:38 PM
McM 22,  CUA  17.   7:09.

I have to go to a meeting. :(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 07:08:48 PM
Half HPU-33 TLU-15
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on February 16, 2006, 07:24:57 PM
ETBU Lady Tigers hold a comfortable 40-23 early in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 07:31:51 PM
14:22 left 2nd half HPU-40 TLU-17
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 07:39:27 PM
9:56 left HPU-46 TLU-25
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 07:47:43 PM
5:59 left HPU-50 TLU-30
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 08:05:41 PM
HPU-61 TLU 37 Final
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 16, 2006, 08:14:20 PM
Final scores from Abilene radio:

McM 79, CUA 59

UMHB 86, HSU 74

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 08:17:29 PM
Finals?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 08:17:50 PM
Sorry I can't read I see they are finals
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 16, 2006, 09:14:25 PM
I just caught the end of the HSU broadcast.  I guess I should have kept listening for the post-game commentary.  Did UMHB play really well, or did HSU have a bad night -- or both?  And what does this mean for the McM-UMHB matchup on Saturday?  UMHB is now guaranteed 4th place in the tournament and is too far back to reach 3rd even with a win, so will they play hard to try to maintain their momentum, or slack off to avoid any injuries before heading to MC?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2006, 09:35:10 PM
MC defeated UT-Dallas by about 76-71... not quite sure of the final score...it was close.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 16, 2006, 09:50:24 PM
 :o  Wow, that's a big loss for HSU.  Momentum, the mental edge, confidence - all are shaken by that one! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 16, 2006, 10:39:37 PM
Someone asked about the Cru and how they played.  I heard the end of the game and I "believe" I heard the announcer say UMHB shot 71% in the second half many 3 ptrs.

...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 16, 2006, 11:05:17 PM
Ralph,
Where did you hear about the MC-UTD game.  We couldn't find it anywhere on the internet.  The final score was MC over UTD, 77-71. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsugirlsfan on February 16, 2006, 11:13:54 PM
Seems like HSU might be missing their point guard's leadership.  Even at that, it's hard to beat a team that shoots 71%! The loss will surely shake some confidence but I'm betting they will bounce back.  They have played too well since Christmas to run amuck now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2006, 12:00:22 AM
Quote from: nash on February 16, 2006, 11:05:17 PM
Ralph,
Where did you hear about the MC-UTD game.  We couldn't find it anywhere on the internet.  The final score was MC over UTD, 77-71. 

I caught the first half of the Men's Game (Comets-Chocs) and asked someone.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 17, 2006, 02:55:40 PM
UMHB, I was afraid will be tough at home. They are playing with alot of heart and have been improving for some time. I don't care who a team is, if you are shooting 71% in the second half, I don't think anyone will beat you with those stats. I got the call in Austin last night, about the Ozarks player that was killed in a car wreck. He was on the roster earlier in the year, but his twin brother is the one who was playing. I work with their aunt, yet another family to pray for and there isn't anyone who hasn't been touched in this conference this year. I have always heard it comes in 3's. Lets hope and pray we are done.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 17, 2006, 03:45:01 PM
So I guess if UMHB pulls off another upset against McM that makes HPU the #1 seed from the West side since they defeated UMHB twice?

It's amazing how one gym and 2 schools has such a big impact on next weeks tournament seeding.

GO CRU!!! make it an Abilene sweep.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 17, 2006, 03:53:43 PM
We defeated UMHB the first time around, they just played a tough game. I don't think that's gonna happen this time. I think McM has the lock on first in the West because we beat HPU by more than they beat us. Right? I'm no mathmatician but I think that's the case. IF we tie with HPU. But I believe McM ladies will pull this one off. Unless UMHB shoots 71% again.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 17, 2006, 04:13:46 PM
Well the way they look at it with the tiebreaker point differential comes after they look at the records between teams in the division. 

If it came before the records then McM would have that advantage since they beat HPU by more than HPU beat them.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2006, 08:14:13 PM
ASC Women's Bracket  (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/media0506/60216womenbasketball-weekly.pdf) is posted.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 17, 2006, 08:59:17 PM
So, as things stand Friday before any Saturday action, who is second and who is third in the West?  ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 17, 2006, 09:51:00 PM
1st McM
2nd HPU
3rd HSU

I don't think HSU can get the 2nd seed even if HPU loses because HSU lost to UMHB and HPU swept the series.

McM loses Saturday and HPU wins then HPU gets the #1 seed by the same tiebreaker.

Very important games for seeding.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2006, 10:01:02 PM
dballa beat me!

Paint, HPU is in 2nd, one game behind McM.  If McM loses and HPU wins, then HPU hosts by virtue of a better record over UMHB.

HSU is in 3rd.  If HPU loses to Schreiner, and HSU defeats CUA, then HPU seeds 2nd by virtue of a better record against UMHB.

If McM wins, then they win the West and are the #1 seed.

McM would play the #4 seed in the ASC East.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 17, 2006, 10:04:52 PM
Sorry Ralph wasn't sure if you were around.

Remember the tourney is in the East so HPU wouldn't host but could be the #1 seed.

Should be exciting to see what happens in a lot of games tomorrow.  It's great that all the races are pretty much going down to the last game except there will probably be some health insurance companies that aren't going to be happy :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2006, 10:07:40 PM
dballa, I am glad you were "fustest with the mostest"!

I want us to go far and go deep in the tourney!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1fan on February 17, 2006, 10:12:56 PM
 ??? ??? ???
I do I get the brackets for the tournament? :-\ :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2006, 10:23:15 PM
Quote from: #1fan on February 17, 2006, 10:12:56 PM
??? ??? ???
I do I get the brackets for the tournament? :-\ :-\

ASC Women's Bracket is posted on page 3.  (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/media0506/60216womenbasketball-weekly.pdf)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1fan on February 17, 2006, 10:25:46 PM
Sorry about the typo it should read "How do I get the brackets?"  I am a really dummy but page 3 of what?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 17, 2006, 10:42:27 PM
#1fan just click on Ralphs previous message where it says ASC Women's Bracket...it's a link to the conference website where it shows the bracket...

or you can just go to www.americansouthwestconf.org ( you can click on that website on here) and the very first story on there..if you click on where it says women...you can get to that same thing Ralph posted.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2006, 11:10:53 PM
Good News!  Oglethorpe lost at Rhodes tonight!

We might keep four ranked in-region teams!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 18, 2006, 11:47:05 AM
I would think the only west team that may really struggle in the first round of the conference tournament will be the fourth place team taking on the first place team of the east.  It's surely going to be a west team that wins the conference title.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 18, 2006, 11:58:30 AM
early prediction:
there will NOT be a team from the EAST playing on day 2 of the tourney.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 01:49:33 PM
The Lady Jackets are looking for some help from UMHB. If both MCM women and men loose with Jackets win then HPU can both be #1 seeds, so Go Jackets and go Cru.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 02:08:08 PM
8-4 HPU 14:57 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 02:17:09 PM
HPU-22 SU-5 10:29 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 18, 2006, 02:26:12 PM
McM 14 UMHB 12 with 5:46 left in the half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 02:26:38 PM
HPU-31 SU-11 7:15 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 18, 2006, 02:37:00 PM
McM 22 UMHB 24 halftime

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 18, 2006, 02:38:51 PM
This is probably a good pace for UMHB...I hope McM can pick up the pace in the second half and hit some shots.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 02:40:31 PM
McM is having trouble today.  Both Burton and Engelke have picked up 3 fouls in the first half.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 02:42:38 PM
Finnman, McM can no longer claim to be a young team!

The starters have at least 2 full seasons now.

A veteran team should not let a young team like UMHB do this to them.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 02:43:56 PM
HPU-50 SU-15 half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 18, 2006, 02:46:18 PM
It seems like in these close games, no one is stepping up to help Richardson on the offensive side.  Maybe I'm wrong, but that is what happened to them at HSU and when HPU beat them at home.

I think if they can get UMHB running up and down the floor like they did at McM earlier when they were also down at half, they will be OK
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 18, 2006, 02:48:52 PM
McMurry l. i. b. players are not playing with maturity as apposed to being young.  I don't think UMBH can hang with Tara in the post.  The ball needs to be pounded in the to post.  It is not expected that the UMBH post can keep up.  If they double Tara, pass off for easier buckets should be available.  The wing players must pick up their work.

Time remains for McMurry to right the ship!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 18, 2006, 03:05:45 PM
McM by 6.  now is the time to put the game away.  UMBH can not run with McM.  It is questionable if they can play up tempo.  Keep the ball going inside.  Guards and wings pick up the pace.

both teams missing easy baskets and making turnovers.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 03:08:28 PM
HPU-66 SU-18 13:26 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 03:10:11 PM
9:26 minutes left.  McM by 6, 40-34.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 03:16:18 PM
HPU-80 SU-22 9:53 left, Jackets shooting over 50% from the field and 3 point land
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 03:19:34 PM
Tied at 40;  6:40 left.

McM--Sawyer FG 6:15 left.  42-40.
UMHB--OOB. Good defense by Jabri Butler!!!
McM--6:02 Butler great pass from Sawyer. Fouled and she does not  convert 5:50. McM 44-40.
UMHB--Butler rebounds but OOB.
UMHB--Ball is defensed, Sawyer rebs.
McM--5:08 left. Richardson FG.  McM 46-40.
UMHB--Richardson fouls. 4:34 media timeout.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 03:25:34 PM
........

........

UMHB--Tuttle fouls Barnes FT 2-2, McM 49-43
McM--Heitmiller rebs.
UMHB--3:23; Venekamp fouls Barnes.  FT 2-2. McM 49-45.
McM--Sawyer 3FG.  McM 52-45. 2:40.
UMHB--Sawyer deflects the pass.
McM--Venekamp rebs, 2:13 Richardson fouled FG good. timeout .McM 54-45 and Tarra at the line.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 03:28:15 PM
UMHB--Barnes FG.
McM--Barnes rebs.
UMHB 1:15; Wurzbach FG.  54-49.
McM-- McM calls time. McM 54-49.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 03:30:24 PM
McM-- 0:52 left; 0:16 on the shot clock.

An 11-2 run in the first 4:24 off the second half gave McMurry the lead and the momentum.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 03:32:11 PM
McM--0:19 left and has the ball after Sawyer steals a pass.

McM  54-49.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 18, 2006, 03:35:56 PM
Ralph and bcal

The other girls did step up and help on the offensive side...Congrats to the Lady Indians on West Champs...lets win the whole thing next weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 03:36:15 PM
HPU-92 SU-33 final
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 03:37:09 PM
McM--Sawyer FT good, and then missed but gets her reb.  Time runs down!  UMHB cannot score.


McM  57 UMHB 49!

ASC-West Division Champions!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 03:38:03 PM
Quote from: finnman on February 18, 2006, 03:35:56 PM
Ralph and bcal

The other girls did step up and help on the offensive side...Congrats to the Lady Indians on West Champs...lets win the whole thing next weekend.

The L.I.B. get to hang the West banner!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 03:40:30 PM
Congrats to McM, should be an interesting tournament. Go Jackets!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 18, 2006, 03:41:09 PM
It also sounded like UMHB had a good game plan today...and they are going to give MC some troubles in the 1st round...and anyone else they play if they make it past that game.  I would hate to play them in the 1st round.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 18, 2006, 03:45:18 PM
Kudos to L. I. B.  on the win.  Congratulations to Coaches Nichols and Densman.  McM is #1 seed next week.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 18, 2006, 03:51:45 PM
Just off the Abilene radio:

HSU 78  CUA 59  final
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 18, 2006, 03:57:08 PM
I don't believe the Lady Indians have ever had sole ownership of a championship.  They were co-champs of the West in 1999-2000, and before that (I think) co-champs in the 1980s.  Last year, though they got to the final game of the conference tournament, they won neither the division nor the conference.  Today is something to be proud of, whatever happens next week in Clinton.  Congratulations!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: intern on February 18, 2006, 04:14:47 PM
Finally!!! What a great season for the Lady Indians. Wish I could've been there to see it, but Kit and Leon talked me through it.

Great season girls!

Pops keep it up, don't let them coast in clinton.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 18, 2006, 04:17:03 PM
Final -  UTT 83 MC 75 in OT. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 06:41:28 PM
Miss Coll is limping into the playoffs.

Does anyone know why the wheels have fallen off?

They have lost 4 of the last 7.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 18, 2006, 06:50:26 PM
Remember, Ralph, our women lost their last few regular season games last year, in part because Simbri Tuttle was injured and Sam Nichols deliberately kept her out of the games to give her time to mend -- and the game outcomes at that point had no outcome on the final tournament seeding.  The result was that we could put Simbri back in for the tournament and get all the way to the final game.  Could this be something similar, looking worse for MC than it really is?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 07:26:28 PM
McMfan, I cannot find any changes in the lineups or distribution of minutes on the Lady Chocs website that suggest a major injury.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 18, 2006, 08:26:34 PM
Congratulations Lady Indians, Lady Jackets and Cowgirls on your wins!  With UMHB playing hard and strong these last couple of weeks it is going to be a West championship!  I would be shocked if anyone from the East hangs through it, though I have been shocked before  ;). 

My heart is in Cowgirl country but to whoever wins in Clinton - take it deep into the playoffs and show the nation the type of basketball played in the ASC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 18, 2006, 08:29:08 PM
Could they be losing deliberately, to lull all the West teams into a false sense of security before being bashed in the Golden Dome?   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 08:39:44 PM
Let me try the brackets for the women.

West

1)  McM 20-2

2)  HPU 19-3

3)  HSU 18-4

4)  UMHB  9-13.


East

1) MC  17-5

2) ETBU 14-8

Three-way tie in 3rd.  UOzarks, Austin College and UT-Dallas at 11-11.

Multiple ties...Uozarks wins the 3-way by sweeping AC and splitting with UT-Dallas.  UOzarks is seeded 3rd.

Two-way tie between AC and UT-Dallas.

AC wins this tie-breaker by virtue of their win over MC.  AC is seeded 4th.

UT-Tyler is in the 3rd year of provisional status and is ineligible for post-season play.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 18, 2006, 08:40:07 PM
McMfan...have you lost your mind...i wish i could say it was on purpose...you have gor to be kidding...MC is hurt...they are all limping because they have shoot themselves in the foot...and missed a great opportunity (i still love my chocs)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 18, 2006, 11:00:44 PM
It seems to me that MC has been struggling to regain its momemtum that was lost when Lacey Kennedy was hurt.  Just as they start to get it together, someone is out sick and then somebody else has an injury(which doesn't stop them from playing, but hinders their performance).  The game today was rough, Lacey hurt her ankle today, Natalie Jordan went out of the game after being hit in the face.  MC needs some healing and I hope they are ready for the tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 18, 2006, 11:45:51 PM
Just slid in to town from a great four days in the Austin area. How sweet it is............Great job today from L.I.B. and coaches. They kept working and kept their heads in the ball game.  Everyone in the conference has stepped up their play, and will be ready for the tourney. I heard Molly Buker the point for HPU was hurt today, they said her knee. That would hurt HPU but I still think they will be in the mix if she is unable to return. The smiles today from the coaches and players were awesome. Look out Mississippi, here we come.......and looking for a championship.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 19, 2006, 10:27:24 AM
millie,
My son tells me I lost my mind a long time ago!

Seriously, what you say helps explain Ralph Turner's question about what has been ailing the Chocs, since he said he couldn't see anything from the game stats.  Get healthy for next week!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 19, 2006, 10:36:36 AM
fanstand, she did hurt her knee in yesterdays game and they were supposed to get it checked out last night.  So we're still waiting to see how severe it is.  The good thing is if she can play this weekend she has a few days to get healthy.

If she can't play she will be missed.  She's a good passer, great on defense and does a great job in getting the offense going.  But the team will pull it together and can win without her if need be.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 20, 2006, 11:20:13 AM
With all the congratulatory rhetoric I felt it appropriate to give a shout out to my boy, Ralph!  ;D  Congrats on the 100th karma point!  :o  For guys like myself and Dballa, we're just happy to be out of single digits.  ;)   I can't imagine all the insightful, proactive, edifying posts you had to deliver in order to pass this milestone!  Way to go Sir Turner!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 20, 2006, 01:24:01 PM
Given the brackets, and assuming the West to be stronger than the East, this year's tournament could be a repeat of last year's -- all the East teams except MC get eliminated in the first round, then McM and HSU have a final showdown, and then the winner of that plays the winner of MC-HPU, probably HPU.  Déja vu! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 20, 2006, 03:32:21 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 20, 2006, 01:24:01 PM
Given the brackets, and assuming the West to be stronger than the East, this year's tournament could be a repeat of last year's -- all the East teams except MC get eliminated in the first round, then McM and HSU have a final showdown, and then the winner of that plays the winner of MC-HPU, probably HPU.  Déja vu! 

i will say it again.

the EAST will not be playing on DAY 2 of the tourney.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 20, 2006, 03:46:24 PM
Quote from: d3fan4life on February 20, 2006, 03:32:21 PM
the EAST will not be playing on DAY 2 of the tourney.

That is virtually a certainty.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 20, 2006, 03:50:56 PM
Well UMHB better play MC like they did HSU and McM at home or else they'll be out of it.  UMHB has only won 3 games on the road and that was at CUA, TLU and SRSU...they didn't even beat SU in Kerrville.  I wouldn't say it's a lock that they are in the 2nd round.  They will have their hands full even with an MC team that hasn't been playing well.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 20, 2006, 04:18:31 PM
I believe I was mistaken in my read of the previous posts.  I meant to say it is virtually a certainly that MC will not be playing for the conference championship.  I agree, UMHB has their hands full.  I misread.  :'(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 20, 2006, 05:27:43 PM
I guess we've got all week to speculate, but it looks to me that HPU has the easiest bracket of the tournament.  McM-HSU is a great rivalry, and if they meet on Saturday as I think, whichever team wins will probably be too exhausted on Sunday to provide much resistance to HPU, which will thus win the tournament again just like they did last year.  Time will tell...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2006, 05:51:29 PM
I could postulate numerous theories about  the difficulty of winning in Clinton.

--The Mississippi Mud theory...
--A different requirement for certification courses for officiating basketball in Mississippi...
--Road Weariness...
--the Bayou Voodoo theory.

Don't write the Lady Chocs off too quickly.

Oh, and thanks Paint! ;)

We have a really great group of posters here in the ASC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 20, 2006, 06:38:20 PM
I beg to differ, McM fan...MC is tough to beat at home, limping or not. HPU chemistry a little off with the question of their point guard's injury, HSU struggling a little without their point guard, but this is the tournament. Emotions run high for everyone. UMHB is playing well, but McM is still playing well. They may not be blowing people out,but still winning. I think they will be ready this weekend. They will have tough practices, and will be ready to avenge last year's tourney and their two losses this past couple of weeks. I think it will be HPU and McM in the finals, with a different outcome from last year.  If they stay injury free, they will keep plenty of emotion to finish this tourney on top.  And Ralph has good points about MC, it should be plenty exciting. Go Lady Indians........
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 20, 2006, 08:07:31 PM
MC has its work cut out playing MHB.  With tournament play it is always one game at a time and on any given night.  To go further MC will have to will it all though.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 21, 2006, 03:40:51 PM
Hey Ralph,

You left out he wind currents in the Golden Dome...2 years ago that was the problem..
i am not sure about the Mississippi mud...Clinton is on the high side of the Miss River..
Road weariness...there is only 1 team that does not have a long way to come...just like we do every other year.
But, the Bayou Voodoo...wrong state... in Miss it is not a bayou...it is a creek...bayous are in Louisiana

i agree about the refs...they are bad no matter what side you are on

Well what ever it takes, mud, voodoo,or  wind currents...Mississippi College will need all of these things to line up for them this weekend.

Ya'll be careful and drive safe coming through Louisiana
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2006, 04:47:21 PM
Quote from: millie on February 21, 2006, 03:40:51 PM
Hey Ralph,

You left out he wind currents in the Golden Dome...2 years ago that was the problem..

Oh I forgot about the wind currents!   :o

i am not sure about the Mississippi mud...Clinton is on the high side of the Miss River..

But the mud is readily available for use by the locals.  :)

Road weariness...there is only 1 team that does not have a long way to come...just like we do every other year.

You use it to your advantage whenever you can!  ;)

But, the Bayou Voodoo...wrong state... in Miss it is not a bayou...it is a creek...bayous are in Louisiana    ***

"It's the voodoo that you do"  a Rod Stewart cover for those really romantic nights with the lovely bride,  :-*  but I digress! :-[

i agree about the refs...they are bad no matter what side you are on

::)

Well what ever it takes, mud, voodoo,or  wind currents...Mississippi College will need all of these things to line up for them this weekend.   :-X

***Ya'll be careful and drive safe coming through Louisiana...


Travel safely, all!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 21, 2006, 05:43:41 PM
Does anyone know what time the selection show is on Monday, and if it is on any networks?  I am guessing Mr. Coleman would be of some help. Thanks
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2006, 06:55:37 PM
There is no selection show. The selections are issued via press release early Monday morning and posted on D3hoops.com.

We'll have a Hoopsville show that night to discuss them but that is it, there is no recorded reading of selections this season. The NCAA has discontinued it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 21, 2006, 10:10:38 PM
My thinking about the tournament (for what it's worth) is that HPU has an easy bracket and has won their last 11 games.  MC seems to be struggling, and was beaten in the Golden Dome a week ago by the last place team in the East (LC).  I'm assuming McM and HSU will win their first two games and then exhaust themselves playing each other.  Maybe the same thing will happen if HPU and MC play each other.  Of course, the various reported injuries are the wild card in all this, in addition to the Mississippi mud!
I would love to see a McM-MC shootout on Sunday, but that could be a long shot.  Tomorrow morning at 6:30 (argh) I will be at the bus to help see off the Lady Indians as they leave for Clinton...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 22, 2006, 08:49:59 AM
Are any of ya'll  coming to Clinton and for which games?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 22, 2006, 11:31:06 AM
The Lady Indians' bus pulled off from campus at 7:00 AM this morning, so they are on their way!  The word, by the way, is that McM will broadcast both the men's and women's tournament games, with the broadcast team being split so that Kimbrell does one and Rawlings the other.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 22, 2006, 08:04:52 PM
millie, I will be in Mississippi.  I am not sure if I will leave Thursday night to catch Friday's game or if I will leave on Friday after the first game, to catch the rest of the tourney. My travel plans are still up in the air. All my crew will be a various events all over the state but we all hope to converge in Mississippi on Sunday for the finals, with the McM lady indians and whoever their opponent might be.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 22, 2006, 10:01:03 PM
fanstand,
Make a lot of noise at the games, so those of us listening on the radio can hear you!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 23, 2006, 12:17:55 PM
fanstand...
what do you do that you have a crew at events all over the state...radio????
hope to see you at the games
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2006, 04:20:32 PM
What we need is an All-ASC Mom's team! :D

I nominate fanstand!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 23, 2006, 04:45:29 PM
I second that nomination and add Millie to the list of nominees! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 23, 2006, 07:17:24 PM
Aw thanks, guys!!!Heading out the door to Mississippi, playing hookey from work again this week. I have an official, and two coaches in this house, and when I took my job at work 4 years ago, I told them they hired me knowing that I was a sports FANatic and my family's games came first.
They said OK and it's worked great ever since.  I am a lucky duck. Gotta run............
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 23, 2006, 07:33:19 PM
Fanstand,  good luck and help McMurry University L I B bring home the victory!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2006, 07:42:49 PM
Quote from: fanstand on February 23, 2006, 07:17:24 PM
Aw thanks, guys!!!Heading out the door to Mississippi, playing hookey from work again this week. I have an official, and two coaches in this house, and when I took my job at work 4 years ago, I told them they hired me knowing that I was a sports FANatic and my family's games came first.
They said OK and it's worked great ever since.  I am a lucky duck. Gotta run............

Fanstand, may you miss work the next four weekends! :) ;) :D ;D 8)

Go L.I.B.!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 23, 2006, 09:37:25 PM
Two takes of gasoline - $85.00

Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner at McDonalds - $12.75

One "We're Number One" Foam Hand - $6.00

Ticket - $6.00

Watching the ASC Women's Conference Tournament in Person - PRICELESS!

Keep us posted with all the action and results!  Go Cowgirls!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 24, 2006, 09:46:00 AM
paint...thanks for the nomination...sure hope there is no actual playing involved...the old knees are not what they use to be.

fanstand, you take off work for any game that you can because when they finish it is bad...to say this has been a tough year for my hubby and me is an understatement.  and hey you can always work next week...i did.  wwe  are still trying to fill the hole that bball (and our kids) has left.
now i guess we are waiting(a few years we hope)for grandkids or or until my oldest can get her masters and become a coach.

good luck to all and be careful
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 01:12:09 PM
Media Timeout McM and AC tied at 8 with about  14:40 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 01:26:25 PM
McM 16 AC 14 9:35 left.

Engelke has been on the bench with 2 fouls since 13 minutes left.

Richardson has 7 points.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 01:31:26 PM
McM--Allison Nelson, off the bench gets a 3Fg and Tuttle gets a steal and layup.  McM 21-17 with 5:35 left.

McM only 34.5% on FG; AC 44%
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 01:33:11 PM
McM--Maigen Sawyer a steal and a layup. McM 25-19.
AC--FT 1&1.  3:35 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 01:42:21 PM
McM has stepped up the defense and push the lead.

Halftime--McM 37-22.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 01:56:31 PM
McM Richardson 11 pts, Sawyer 11 pts; Allison Nelson two 3FG's off the bench; also Amber Horton got a steal and layup to start the big 15-3 run.

McM FG 15-32; 3FG 5-14; FT 2-5  :P

AC Laskey and Bauer 4 each.  AC has out-rebounded McM 21-15, but McM has 5 steals!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 24, 2006, 02:01:11 PM
Keep it up, Ladies!  -- Got to go teach a class!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 02:36:47 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 24, 2006, 02:01:11 PM
Keep it up, Ladies!  -- Got to go teach a class!!

No sacrifice is too great for L.I.B.!

McM has led by 24 late in the game.  McMurry younger players are in.

McM still ahead by 13.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 24, 2006, 02:39:00 PM
how much time is left?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 02:43:06 PM
Final McM 64, AC 49!

TIAA Charter member AC is off to the SCAC where they trade McM, HSU, HPU and MC for Trinity, Oglethorpe, Hendrix and DePauw.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 24, 2006, 02:49:05 PM
Congratulations Lady Indians!  I think with that win they have now virtually locked themselves into a bid for the big dance.  No guarantees, but with at least a semi-final trip, and that record it would be difficult for the NCAA to overlook them!

We're proud of you ladies back here in Abilene!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 24, 2006, 02:54:54 PM
who's next...i dont have my brackets

ccongrats to everyone
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 24, 2006, 03:04:05 PM
HSU plays ETBU...The winner will play the Lady Indians tomorrow at 1:00 Central.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 24, 2006, 03:21:29 PM
Congratulations, Lady Indians!  ...But I wouldn't expect to get into the post-season unless you also win tomorrow.  HSU won the West last year and was 19-3 overall; they won their first tournament game, but by losing the second round (to McM) they lost out on a post-season bid.  You've got to make it to Sunday if you want any more games after Sunday!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2006, 03:44:29 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 24, 2006, 03:21:29 PM
Congratulations, Lady Indians!  ...But I wouldn't expect to get into the post-season unless you also win tomorrow.  HSU won the West last year and was 19-3 overall; they won their first tournament game, but by losing the second round (to McM) they lost out on a post-season bid.  You've got to make it to Sunday if you want any more games after Sunday!!

There are a lot more Pool C bids available this year.  But more W's mean better seeds in any case. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 24, 2006, 04:55:55 PM
Any updates on the HSU game?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on February 24, 2006, 05:00:05 PM
Final Score ETBU 83  HSU 80
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 24, 2006, 05:04:24 PM
That will probably kill HSU chances of a at-large bid
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 24, 2006, 05:21:41 PM
Tough loss for HSU. :'(

Great win for ETBU. :)

Both teams played well...very "back and forth" game thoughout.

Sorry, Cowgirls...but you had a good season...and your fans know you'll be back next year! 8)  WE LOVE YOU!!!

Thanks for the games..."do good in school"...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 24, 2006, 05:34:29 PM
I disagree with an earlier post...With McM's record and with a trip to the semi's guaranteed I think they're in no-matter what...Don't forget the field has been widely expanded this year...A lot more teams will get in...With their constant high rankings, I feel they'll probably be selected no matter what.

Hopefully that won't matter...If they win tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 24, 2006, 06:47:13 PM
"Hopefully that won't matter...If they win tomorrow."
I second that -- better safe than sorry.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 07:52:33 PM
UMHB is beating Miss Coll by 6 with 7 minutes left.

I reviewed the HSU-ETBU box score.  PG Sarah Hauk did not play this one either.  She might be considered the HSU MVP.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 08:16:30 PM
Final  UMHB 83, MissColl 74.

HPU  and UOzarks to follow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on February 24, 2006, 10:40:02 PM
HPU over Ozarks 77-58...both women and men HPU v. UMHB tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 24, 2006, 10:58:42 PM
So the pattern seems to be that the teams with the injuries got in trouble.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 24, 2006, 11:10:51 PM
HPU did fine without their starting point guard Molly Buker.  They plugged in Jenny Janda in and she scored 11 pts with a couple steals. 

Congrats to the Lady Jackets!!! keep on rollin.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 24, 2006, 11:40:38 PM
My hat goes off to UMHB.  They played an awesome game.  They hustled up and down the court, offensively and defensively, they wanted the win.  UMHB took advantage of every lax MC moment, from back door cuts to wide open 3's.  MC had the athletic ability they just didn't seem to have the desire.  I don't know the record between HPU and UMHB but judging by tonight it will be a game to see.

Congrats to ETBU.  As with UMHB won/loss records don't always tell the tale.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 25, 2006, 11:19:11 AM
Incredible job, UMHB!  What an amazing day Friday was for the West - with the notable exception of my beloved Cowgirls!  Well, hit the weights, hit the books, and start preparing for next year! 

For McM, HPU, UMHB and ETB, whoever ends up crowned champs has my complete support!  A Final Four appearance is what I'm believing for!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 01:21:25 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on February 25, 2006, 11:19:11 AM
...
For McM, HPU, UMHB and ETB, whoever ends up crowned champs has my complete support!  A Final Four appearance is what I'm believing for!

Paint, you are so right!  It is time for another school to pick up the slack!

I don't want the national observers thinking that the ASC is a one-trick pony!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 02:24:21 PM
McM 29 ETBU 22; 6:00 in the first half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 02:37:51 PM
McM 41 ETBU 39 at the half.

Very fast paced game and it sounds like the refs are allowing lots of contact.

The McM announcer is identifying contact among the players, especially ETBU, which the refs are not calling as fouls.

ETBU Sade Stewart is in double figures as are Richardson and Sawyer for McM.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 02:58:07 PM
McM 50 ETBU 48:  14:38 left. 

McM--Richardson at the FT line shooting 2.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 03:15:28 PM
McM 59 ETBU 55; 8:39 left.

McM--Richardson FG  61-55.
ETBU--Richardson gets the turnover.
McM--Sheppard rebs.
ETBU--7:20; Vallo FG; 61-57.
McM--Nelson rebs; Richardson is fouled by Stewart her 1st.  FT 1-2. 6:40; 62-57.
ETBU--Richardson rebs
McM--Sawyer 3FG.  65-57 her 6th of the game.
ETBU--Tuttle rebs.
McM--oob on the rebound.  65-57.
ETBU--Vallo fouls Engelke, aggressive foul by Vallo
McM--5:20  Slaughter rebs.
ETBU--Engelke rebs.
McM--Horton 3 sec violation.

Media Time--4:45; McM 65-57.  ETBU ball.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 03:23:20 PM
........

McM 67-61.  Richardson Fg. McM 69-61 under 3:00
ETBU--Richardson rebs.
McM--Horton travels.
ETBU--2:30; Stewart is fouled by Horton, her 3rd, no fts;
ETBU--Stewart tries a 3fg and knocked oob.
ETBU--Stewart misses 2 richardson rebs, bad pass and Tuttle fouls Slaughter.  FT  2-2; 69-63 1:50
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 03:27:38 PM
McM--Horton charges, her 4th
ETBU--FG 69-65.
McM--0:46 Sheppard bumps Tuttle 1&1 FT good and good.  McM 71-65
ETBU--Slaughter FG
McM--Stewart fouls Horton.  0:36; FT  good and good. McM 73-67.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 03:31:31 PM
McM 75 ETBU 67.

A very tough game!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 25, 2006, 03:39:39 PM
I know what you mean, Ralph!

You can thank HSU for "softening up" ETBU for McM!!! :D  The game yesterday was tough also...and I don't think HSU expected that much from ETBU...after beating them over a hundred to 50-something last year.  It was only HSU's second loss in HISTORY of the ASC tournament.

HSU was ahead of ETBU 47-44 with two seconds in the half left and ETBU launched a 3 pointer from way beyond the arc, made it and tied the game at halftime.  (The three points turned out to be the winning margin.)  HSU led by as many as 9 in the second half, but ETBU kept coming back and eventually won...83-80...as you know.

Congrats to McM...now no less than ASC runner-up  and into the playoffs...maybe a chance to play Trinity...it is always fun to beat Trinity!!!

Good luck in the game tomorrow!  I hope the ASC Champion...and Runner-up...do well in the Big Dance!  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 03:49:23 PM
Stats:

ETBU--Sheppard 12, Stewart 21, Slaughter 14;

FG 27-69 39%; 3FG 3-15 20%; FT 10-13 77%;
Rebs tied at 40; Turnovers 7 Steals 2

McM--Richardson 29 pts, Sawyer six  3FG's 18;  Engleke 8; Venekamp 8; FT 12-19; FG 27-66; 3FG 9-26. Rebs 40 (10 off + 30 def)

Ties school record for 3 FGs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 25, 2006, 05:45:17 PM
Who's winning the next game...updates?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: intern on February 25, 2006, 05:55:40 PM
UMHB 70
HPU 67

HPU gets a rebound with 2 second left, double dribbles and doesn't get a shot off.

Daniels scored 39 points for HPU
Wurzbach 21 and Barnes 20 for UMHB


MCM vs UMHB round 3 tomorrow

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 25, 2006, 05:59:09 PM
OK then, does HPU get in or not....Wow it looked so bright for the ASC for awhile...who knows now.  If McM loses, then I say McM would be the only at-large bid.  But if McM wins, then maybe HPU gets an at-large bid.  Or am I way off in my thinking???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 25, 2006, 06:09:34 PM
Then when you look at the regional records, how does not both McM and HPU get in no matter what.  The problem I guess is that almost all of those wins are against the ASC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 25, 2006, 06:47:47 PM
Congrats to UMHB.  If my team gets beat out I want it to be by the team which becomes conference champ.  DSC you may have a point that if ETBU hadn't had to beat HSU first then they would be in the championship game.  So congrats to ETBU for excellent tournament play.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 25, 2006, 08:23:41 PM
Quote from: dsc on February 25, 2006, 03:39:39 PM
Congrats to McM...now no less than ASC runner-up  and into the playoffs...maybe a chance to play Trinity...it is always fun to beat Trinity!!!

Doubt Trinity will beat DePauw tomorrow, and that's the only way they get in ...

but 20-7 for a team with a coach who had never coached in the collegiate ranks before this year, and who had only one senior on the team (Jennfer Ferrar) is nothing to sneeze at.  We'll be back. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 25, 2006, 10:15:43 PM
Congratulations, Lady Indians!  We caught the first part of the game on the radio while driving to Brownwood for the men's game, but then the road paralleled a line of power poles and the interference wrecked the reception.  They announced the victory at the Mausoleum.  Now, one more to go: beating UMHB a week ago means nothing, for they are now on a roll.  Go Tribe!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 25, 2006, 10:46:21 PM
If anyone had predicted at the beginning of the season that it would be McM and UMHB in the conference finals most of us would not have been buying it!  However, UMHB has demonstrated that they are for real.  McM has got to be the favorite but they also have to be looking at tomorrow with their eyes wide open! 

Wow, wish I could be there!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 10:54:29 PM
http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/media0506/51026womenbasketball-preseasonpoll.htm

Well, the pre-season poll suggested that it was mathematically possible. ;)

And UT-Tyler and MissColl were co-champs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2006, 12:24:43 AM
I'm tempted to call McM the underdog tomorrow, at least in terms of motivation.  From what has been said here, it appears that they would have a chance of an at-large bid to the playoffs even if they lost.  But would a #4 seed with no national ranking get a bid if they lost tomorrow?  Last year, McM was #3 and lost the final game and that was it.  I'm sure every UMHB player knows the only way to make sure of a playoff spot is to win.  They also know that, though they lost their two season games to McM, they were both by small margins.  The Lady Indians have to play their best of the tournament to take the win tomorrow, or they'll go the way of HPU today.  Do it, Ladies!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 26, 2006, 12:48:42 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 10:54:29 PM
Well, the pre-season poll suggested that it was mathematically possible. ;)

I just read my post again and it sounds much more harsh than I meant it to.  I meant that in the preseason most were looking ahead to a matchup between McM, HPU or HSU in the west or someone out of the east.  Most were not thinking UMHB in the finals. 

As I have posted recently, whoever wins - McM or UMHB - take us to the Final Four!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2006, 12:50:26 AM
I can give some motivation.

The women's tourney matches the South and West Regions for the Sectionals in 2006.

Right now, McM is #2 in the South and has a QOWI better than any West Region Team.

Not trying to count chickens but...

if Randolph Macon were to be upset in the first 2 rounds, then it looks like McMurry would have a chance to host the Sectionals in 2 weeks.

I also believe that McMurry needs to win to earn a first round host.  If McMurry were to lose and Trinity were to defeat DePauw tomorrow ( they lost at DePauw by 60-57 in the regular season) then they (TU)  might host the first round.  Trinity has an early win over UMHB as a tie-breaker.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2006, 12:56:51 AM
Quote from: inthepaint on February 26, 2006, 12:48:42 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 10:54:29 PM
Well, the pre-season poll suggested that it was mathematically possible. ;)

I just read my post again and it sounds much more harsh than I meant it to.  I meant that in the preseason most were looking ahead to a matchup between McM, HPU or HSU in the west or someone out of the east.  Most were not thinking UMHB in the finals. 

As I have posted recently, whoever wins - McM or UMHB - take us to the Final Four!

Paint, Lisa Martinez was pre-season ASC-West POTY.  I thought that was a key factor.  When UMHB got their chemsitry re-modulated after Lisa's departure, they began to play very well. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 26, 2006, 01:55:38 AM
McMurry L. I. B. is in a position to take another step forward with a victory in the championship game.  It would appear the team has yet to play a "complete" game in the past two contests.  Tara Richardson has been the "go to" player as is expected and has carried a load.  So, we can expect her to receive even more attention in the next game.  Some effective outside shooting and dish offs to Englekey and Venecamp in the lane could lessen the pressure on Tara allowing her one on one coverage.  Should Tara have one on one coverage, she could get on a "roll" and would be hard to contain.  This championship game could be one in which all the minutes played by the other players could be of importance.  Coaches Nichols and Densmen have played a number of players 10 minutes per game.  McMurry depth could be a factor.

Ralph, I had no idea McMurry might host the sectionals.  Would that not be sweet.  First things first.  Lets take care of the game at hand.

ALACUMBA
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 26, 2006, 02:11:26 AM
Hello from Mississippi! It's been a pretty good tournament so far, all of you not here, you have missed some exciting basketball.  I have managed to see almost all of every game. There have been surprises, but this has been a year of surprises to some.  I saw teams dig deep and play with lots of heart. I've seen some good coaching and some excellent players making excellent plays. When it comes to the tourney everything changes, everyone starts even, what happened before doesn't matter. You cannot depend on how bad you beat a team 2 and a half months ago. The emotions and level of play are different now.  I believe L.I.B. is ready and they have lots of talent, I believe they will win tomorrow, but UMHB will be tough. Good Luck ladies..............
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2006, 07:47:46 AM
Another reason why McM has to be thinking like underdogs: the fans.  While theoretically it will be a neutral venue with MC out of the running, my guess is that what MC fans show up to watch will be rooting for UMHB -- since everybody loves an upset.   And the Ladies have to spread the points around more: if Tarra is double teamed, someone else on the outside has to step up!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 26, 2006, 08:26:17 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2006, 12:56:51 AM
[Lisa Martinez was pre-season ASC-West POTY.  I thought that was a key factor.  When UMHB got their chemsitry re-modulated after Lisa's departure, they began to play very well. :)

Excellent point, Ralph!  This UMHB team seems to be playing like last year's team as they ended the season strong, a real contenter for last year's conference title/tournament. 

Is UMHB's greatest strength their coaching staff?  To bring back a team from like we've seen this season is no small feat!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2006, 10:45:01 AM
During the regular season, both McM and HPU beat UMHB twice.  HPU beat them by a combined total of 39 points, but McM's combined total was only 16 points.  Going by the point spreads, if HPU lost yesterday, McM should be toast today.  Again, the Lady Indians can take nothing for granted against this surging UMHB team!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 26, 2006, 12:09:57 PM
TOAST? I really hope you are kidding McM fan, you got on purple today? Yesterday Tarra was tripled team at times and still managed to score 29 points. Yes, UMHB is playing inspired, but we will too today, If we have 1/2 of an L.I.B. game we will come out on top. We are not as drained and we are ready. HPU had 2 assists in their game yesterday and panicked when they were down. Trust me on this. Were ready
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2006, 02:59:56 PM
fanstand,
All I'm saying is that we're playing a 4th-seed team that's not looking like a 4th seed: in the last week or so they have beaten three suppsedly "better" teams, HSU in the regular season and  now MC and HPU in the playoffs.  I sort of expected MC might be in trouble, but I don't think anyone expected the HPU loss yesterday.  We've got to take these guys seriously if we expect to beat them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2006, 03:48:25 PM
McM 30 UMHB 26 at the half. 

Sawyer 10 points, Richardson 13 pts.

McM hit 8-15 FG's to start and had an 18-5 lead.  UMHB started playing very physically and very aggressively and pulled ahead 26-25.  Maigen Sawyer hit a 3FG before the buzzer to bring the lead back to four.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 26, 2006, 04:15:11 PM
Score?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2006, 04:18:05 PM
McM 46
UMHB 33
with 12:16 to go in the game
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: intern on February 26, 2006, 04:20:28 PM
http://www.mc.edu/athletics/livestats/xlive.htm

live stats

http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/athleticstwo.htm

radio broadcast


51-38 11:30 ish
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: intern on February 26, 2006, 04:21:12 PM
sorry type-o 53-33 mcm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2006, 04:21:22 PM
A quick McM run... it's now McM 53, UMHB 33!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2006, 04:26:25 PM
McM 59, UMHB 41, around 9 minutes left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2006, 04:30:34 PM
McM 63, UMHB 51, 5:40 minutes to go

UMHB is catching up with 3 pointers
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2006, 04:35:24 PM
7 point game! 4 minutes to go
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2006, 04:42:39 PM
Maigen Sawyer hits 2 Ft's!

2:05 left.

Steal by McM.

67-59.  Daniels holds Richardson.  Tarra misses the front end.
UMHB--1:23 Engelke fouls Heitmiller 1:18 Richardson rebounds the 2nd.  67-60
McM--Hicks blocks
UMHB--Sawyer fouls UMHB. Hicks 0:44; miss the first. McM 67-60.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2006, 04:44:35 PM
UMHB--Hicks hits the second FT. 67-61.
McM--0:35.  Blair Heitmiller fouls double bonus. Horton FT 1-2. 68-61
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2006, 04:46:16 PM
McM--Englke gets the rebound and is fouled. 0:24.  FT 2-2. McM 70-61
UMHB--Heitmiller fouled by Engelke who fouls out. 0:14.9
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: intern on February 26, 2006, 04:49:14 PM
McMurry ASC Champs!!!

72-61
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2006, 04:49:42 PM
UMHB--Hicks FT 0-2; Richardson rebs. 0:11 left
McM--Horton  FT 2-2 ; McM 72-61.  Horton is 5-6 from the line.
UMHB-- OOB 0:02
McM--Tuttle dribbles!

L.I.B. ASC 2006 Champions
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2006, 04:51:01 PM
fanstand said earlier:
"Trust me on this. Were ready."
fanstand, I'll trust you forever!!!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 26, 2006, 04:52:04 PM
Lady Indians,
    From the bottom of our hearts.  Thank you!  It's been a brilliant season...A brilliant tournament.  And now a championship!  From all the Maroon out there:  Thank You!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2006, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 26, 2006, 04:51:01 PM
fanstand said earlier:
"Trust me on this. Were ready."
fanstand, I'll trust you forever!!!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

The balloting is in!

Fanstand is the unanimous selection for All ASC-West Mom of the Year! :)

Millie carries the honors on the East! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 26, 2006, 05:13:05 PM
What a game!!!   What a set of games!!!   There is no quit in the hearts of the UMHB Lady Cru.  UMHB should be selected to play in the NCAAs with MCM L. I. B. who gets the automatic bid.

Next thing to do is wait for the NCAA to announce the brackett on Monday morning.

Both teams who played today are worthy of praise.  My maroon heart is full of joy for McMURRY L. I. B. 



 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 26, 2006, 06:14:14 PM
Quote from: bcal on February 26, 2006, 05:13:05 PM
What a game!!!   What a set of games!!!   There is no quit in the hearts of the UMHB Lady Cru.  UMHB should be selected to play in the NCAAs with MCM L. I. B. who gets the automatic bid. 

Nothing would make the ASC faithful happier than to see two teams advance beyond the conference tournament!  I, for one, am looking into the coming weeks with confidence in the Lady Indians.  Congratulations on capping off your wonderful year with the conference victory!  Today, and for the rest of this season, my blood is running MAROON!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 26, 2006, 06:32:39 PM
Pat has projected both McM and HPU will get bids. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 26, 2006, 10:43:56 PM
Wow 3 teams get in from the conference, glad the Lady Jackets made it in. Suprised the Cowgirls got in but I hope MCM, HSU and HPU go deep in the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 26, 2006, 10:56:20 PM
Congrats to the ASC for getting three teams in! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 26, 2006, 10:57:02 PM
Wow!  I thought I was reading last years selections...or something. 

HSU  COWGIRLS  ARE  IN!!!  Amazing.   Congratulations to the Cowgirls and HPU and McM!!!

I just know they'll all be paired up against each other right off the bat...you know the $$$ thing!  It will be like a "ASC-
West" tournament all over again. :)

I forgot to look to see if Trinity is in also...I think so.  Regardless of who wins...and the games will be good experience...I also hope the winners can go DEEP!!!

Unbelieveable!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 26, 2006, 11:30:04 PM
OK, now I am really confused.  UMHB takes the win over two teams, HSU and HPU, and the losers advance in the national tournament while the winner goes home?  ???

I am a Cowgirls fan.  I am thrilled, if I am reading things correctly, that they are still playing.  HOWEVER, they and the Jackets lost.  HSU was one-and-done but they still advance?  I'm wondering way!  I'm thankful for the opportunity they have to continue to play, but I am really wondering how they get the nod while the team that best them twice in the last week or so goes home!  ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 26, 2006, 11:37:49 PM
You have to look at the whole year can't just look at a 3 day tournament.  HPU swept UMHB in the regular season and was ranked 3rd in the South Region as well as having their QOWI higher than UMHB.  UMHB lost too many games at the beginning of the season. 

It was weird seeing HSU get in though after they lost 3 of their last 4 games but hopefully they'll be kind and spread out all 3 ASC teams and let them see how far they can go.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 26, 2006, 11:42:05 PM
Dballa, I share you perspective on HSU.  Again, I am a Cowgirls fan and I'm thrilled for the team that they get to advance.  I don't think they had the season that justifies a place in the tournament, especially given the fact that UMHB beat them in the last week of the regular season and then ETBU beat them in the first round of the tournament.  HPU has had weeks in which they seemed to play brilliantly and weeks in which they seemed to fall apart. 

I'm glad the ASC has the added representation.  I just think UMHB should have been placed ahead of HSU.  That pains me to write such a thing as I will be a diehard Cowgirls fan for a long, long time.   The Cru got the short end of this stick.

(I made a correction to this post.  It was brought to my attention, rightfully, that HSU only lost once to UMHB.  I had the mistaken idea that it was UMHB that beat HSU in the first round in Clinton, but I now remember that it was ETBU!  I appreciate the fact that nobody jumped all over me like a dog on a bone!  ;D ;D ;D)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 26, 2006, 11:56:57 PM
Well it kind of makes you wonder.  If UMHB had beaten McM today, what would have happened.  Could we have placed 4 teams in the tournament?  I don't know how close HSU or HPU were to being at the bottom of the list but that very well could have gotten us 4 teams in. 

You are right UMHB has been playing the best basketball lately aside from McMurry and if it was one of those Division I "what have you done for me lately" things they probably could have squeezed their way in.

Martinez and Wurzbek leaving at the beginning of the season hurt their chances of having a really great overall season.  When Wurzbek(pardon me if i misspelled her name)  came back they won a lot of games.  It was just too late for them to jump up in any kind of ranking.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 27, 2006, 12:35:52 AM
I agree with the previous postings.  It is quite remarkable how HSU got in...but like Paint says...we diehard fans will take it.

I think it was the 20-5 record...a little "name recognition"....and a whole lot of luck!  Pat didn't have HSU in his projection...although they were on the "bubble."

Or, could it be that they needed a 4th team to round out the pairings for a "Texas tournament?"  As has been stated, don't get me wrong either, I'm happy for HSU...and the season does count, but the tournaments at year's end show how a team is playing when it should count.  (And HSU did not do well the last two weeks!)  Let's regroup, Cowgirls!!! :-*

The pairings should be interesting and McM should get some home games...look at the money the NCAA will save.

At any rate, I'm happy that THREE ASC teams are in...and the games are going to be great!  Good luck to all...and may the survivor do well in representing our conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 27, 2006, 03:59:05 AM
TOLD YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Boy am I glad to be home. It was awesome!!Was a little surprised at the tourney picks, but you gotta play whoever they pick for you, so bring it on. UMHB had a heck of a tournament but they were drained. It was a very fun game though. The fans were into it, the officials only really made a couple of oops, (gotta ride "em" anyway) MC was very cordial and made us feel welcome, and if you hadn't heard WE WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2006, 08:59:43 AM
if I read that right McMurry is hosting HSU in the first round and HPU/Trinity are playing at McMurry the first round.  Nothing like weeding out the Texas teams early on huh.  Gotta love the tight wad committee.  It's no wonder we can't have teams go deep.

GO LADY JACKETS!!! you won in Abilene earlier this year time to win again.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 27, 2006, 09:07:00 AM
Yep!!!

Just as I thought, although I would like to have seen a split in the pairings to allow two of the Texas teams to go "East" or "West"...I didn't think it would happen.  It'll cost about 10 dollars for HSU to travel to McM!  >:(

You are right Dballa...only one team will get out of Texas!

But, it'll be another great week of ASC basketball! :D

Good luck to all...stay healthy!  Regardless of who wins, I'll be satisfied that the best will go on to the next round.  Teams should know each other pretty well by now!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 27, 2006, 09:48:40 AM
Hey!  Where are all the posters? ???

I thought sure there would be a dozen postings by now!


---retired guy--- ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 27, 2006, 11:00:39 AM
You play who they pick.....Now that we are the ASC Champions we will go out and play like one. Work hard this week ladies, don't be worried, YOU are the champions, we will be ready at our house so bring it on, we ain't skeered!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 27, 2006, 11:04:21 AM
Two thoughts:

First of all, it's wonderful that the ASC got enough respect to get not two, but three teams into the national tournament.

But succeeding to further impress the NCAA will be almost impossible...By the weekend only ONE of the three could possibly be alive.

Again, wonderful news.  I was so happy to see HSU and HPU make it in, but it's unfortunate that all three teams were lumped in the same sectional.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 27, 2006, 11:06:01 AM
Official Disclaimer - Inthepaint is a diehard ASC fan and especially of the HSU Cowgirls.  8)

I understand the danger of advancing only a conference tournament winner in postseason play.  Terrific teams that have the potential of going deep into the playoffs could be left at home because of a single loss in the tournament, and that would be a shame.  A single loss should not always eliminate a team from the postseason so these Pool C bids are good.

As I think this over I still find myself going back to UMHB!  Their weak first half of the season allowed other ASC teams to "pad" their win/loss records.  UMHB did not end the season the way they began it.  They beat HSU and HPU!  Had they earlier in the year had the team that took the floor at the end of the season both HSU and HPU may not have had the rankings they enjoyed through the season.  

Given the way these Texas teams got into the tournament I understand the approach of pairing them all up quickly.  If HSU deserves to be in the tournament then they should have to beat someone who earned their way in and should do so right off the bat.  If HPU deserves to be in the tournament based on standings through the regular season then I understand not making an investment of NCAA funds to ship the team around in order to play teams that earned their way in.  

I am thrilled that we have three ASC teams in postseason play.  Thrilled!  I still think it should have been McM, HPU and UMHB but I love my Cowgirls so I will be thankful they are still playing.  Hopefully the last couple of weeks will be a positive thing and they can bounce back.  Whoever comes through these early pairing has my complete, undivided support and I hope they take the ASC to the Final Four!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 27, 2006, 11:11:26 AM
Ditto on that...I may be a LIB fan, but come Saturday night I'll be a fan of the Cowgirls or Lady Jackets if I have to.  First "Go McMurry!"  Second "Go ASC!"
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 27, 2006, 11:12:29 AM
P.S.  If you want a copy of the brackets that looks like the DI version go here:

http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/womens/brackets/printable/2006/DIII
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 27, 2006, 11:17:10 AM
Quote from: thejungle on February 27, 2006, 11:11:26 AM
come Saturday night I'll be a fan of the Cowgirls or Lady Jackets if I have to.  First "Go McMurry!"  Second "Go ASC!"

I could not have said it better myself!   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 27, 2006, 11:51:18 AM
People were posting all season about how great it would be if we got several ASC teams into the post season.  The NCAA seems to be giving with one hand and taking away with the other, when we get three teams and then have them all play each other so that our effective post-season total is one.  This actually seems like a step back from the "bad" old days when the ASC tournament was only the top four teams rather than eight, but when, in 1999-2000 at least, we got two teams in post-season play (HSU and McM) and they both got to play a few outside teams before they played each other.  What's the fun of the post-season if you're playing the same teams you played in the regular season?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 27, 2006, 12:16:20 PM
paint...i agree with you (can you believe that)...i feel like UMHB should hve made on the outstanding last half of their season...they expolded, on the other hand MC and HSU imploded...congrats to all...UMHB you have my respect
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 27, 2006, 12:17:34 PM
Good point, but we're looking for a National Champ here.  The concept is simple - let the best of the best advance.  With each victory a team advances to take on the best from another region of the country.  Ultimately it is the best of the East taking on the best of the West for a national crown.

Taken to the extreme we could have four ASC teams playing in the tournament, one in each of the four brackets that make up the national tounament.  That scenario would leave us with the possibility of an all-ASC final four.  That, as we all know, would be ridiculous.  

No, this structure makes sense.  The "best" four teams (very much open to debate) from this region (Texas) will be playing another tournament from which the "best-of-the-best" (certainly open to debate) will play the following weekend against the best from other regions.

I expect McM to take the weekend tournament but my heart is hoping for a Cowgirl victory!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2006, 12:18:57 PM
mcmfan you're exactly right....plus they always say we need to play more teams in the region that are more competitive but when you only get 1 or 2 games outside of the conference that makes it so difficult to be able to schedule games.  Either we need to be able to play more games or they need to change up this conference and split it into two.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 27, 2006, 12:19:11 PM
Quote from: millie on February 27, 2006, 12:16:20 PM
paint...i agree with you (can you believe that)...

Well, sure, I can believe that!  All of us in the ASC, East and West, are an "agreeable" bunch!  :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 27, 2006, 12:20:55 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 27, 2006, 12:18:57 PM
they need to change up this conference and split it into two.  

That is the answer from where I sit!  Dividing up the conference and allowing for more out-of-conference games is a good scenario!  That makes perfect sense to me!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 27, 2006, 12:25:53 PM
paint...we are such an agreeable bunch because the regular season is over...

and oh yes the NCAA committee really stuck it to the ASC and Texas...that was weak
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: moseshightower on February 27, 2006, 01:05:59 PM
I agree that more non-conference exposure would help the ASC's cause in the NCAA tourney.  You can also look to the NESCAC as an example as to how teams should perform in the regular season to avoid meeting in the NCAAs.  The NESCAC got its top 4 teams in (Bowdoin, Bates, Williams and Wesleyan) and if you look at their regular season results, in addition to winning a lot of non-conference games which I already said would help the ASC, they only lost to each other.  None of those four lost to the other six teams in the conference.  I think the top of the ASC hurts itself with bad losses within the conference.  From an outsider's perspective, as is the NCAA, it's hard to tell if every conference game is just that tough (which you can make an argument for road games) or the top team just choked.  Wasn't there talk of splitting up this conference a couple of years ago?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 27, 2006, 01:08:32 PM
Quote from: millie on February 27, 2006, 12:25:53 PM
paint...we are such an agreeable bunch because the regular season is over...

and oh yes the NCAA committee really stuck it to the ASC and Texas...that was weak

i guarantee hsu and hpu dont think they got it stuck to 'em.

i dont understand why everyone is questioning the ncaa, but they should both feel very lucky to get another chance to prove themselves.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 27, 2006, 01:18:57 PM
the reason to question the NCAA is because it is just wrong to put 3 teams from the same conference in the same bracket.  you may as well just extend the regular season.. lets just imagine for a second...MCM, HPU, and HSU are the 3 best teams in the nation...when put into the same bracket you lose 2 of those teams in the first round...there are enough teams in the tournament that there is no reason for 3 ACS teams to be playing each other
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 27, 2006, 01:28:39 PM
Quote from: millie on February 27, 2006, 01:18:57 PM
the reason to question the NCAA is because it is just wrong to put 3 teams from the same conference in the same bracket.  you may as well just extend the regular season.. lets just imagine for a second...MCM, HPU, and HSU are the 3 best teams in the nation...when put into the same bracket you lose 2 of those teams in the first round...there are enough teams in the tournament that there is no reason for 3 ACS teams to be playing each other

if they were, hands down, the 3 best teams in the nation then i can definately see that.

what makes you say these are the 3 best teams in the nation?

beggers cant be choosers.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 27, 2006, 01:39:09 PM
first off i said imagine...that they were the 3 best...having played so few teams outside the conference, you really don't know where the ASC stands with other conferences...this should be a chance for MCM, HSU, and HPU to branch out into the other conferences and see what we are made of, not just play each other like you did last week...if you have won enough to get chosen...then i don't think you are a begger...that is a disservice to the girls on the teams that are going
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2006, 02:06:12 PM
http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/

Conference Awards posted.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2006, 06:00:37 PM
Quote from: d3fan4life on February 27, 2006, 01:28:39 PM
Quote from: millie on February 27, 2006, 01:18:57 PM
the reason to question the NCAA is because it is just wrong to put 3 teams from the same conference in the same bracket.  you may as well just extend the regular season.. lets just imagine for a second...MCM, HPU, and HSU are the 3 best teams in the nation...when put into the same bracket you lose 2 of those teams in the first round...there are enough teams in the tournament that there is no reason for 3 ACS teams to be playing each other

if they were, hands down, the 3 best teams in the nation then i can definately see that.

what makes you say these are the 3 best teams in the nation?

beggers cant be choosers.



How about a little out-of-the-box thinking.

There were several teams that could have earned at-large bids.

TU and HPU were in.  HSU had had some hard times, but still had enough good criteria to be considered.  McMurry does not have criteria as good as DePauw which got the bye.  Therefore, the NCAA can keep HSU in town.

Think about it.  2200 fans in Kimbrell on Friday night and the winner will draw 2200 fans on Saturday night.

"Ka-ching!"

Sometimes we complain about geographic proximity, sometimes it may not hurt us. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 27, 2006, 07:05:22 PM
hpu - tu play @ 5:30 pm friday

hsu - mcm play @ 8:00 pm friday

both games are @ mcm

winners will play each other sat. (dont know what time)

should be an excellent tourney.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 27, 2006, 08:44:49 PM
Will game tickets need to be secured before the game or can tickets be purchased at game time on location?

I think I know the answer already, thus I will be checking things out from home on my computer, but I would be interested in this tournament play.  Looks to be better than the ASC championship tournament!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 27, 2006, 08:51:33 PM
Question?  How many of the other teams in the bracket are playing their conference opponents in the first round.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2006, 09:35:12 PM
Yeah inthepaint that is something that i want to know as well.  I won't be able to make the Friday games due to work but i'm hoping after an HPU victory on Friday i'll be able to make the game on Saturday.  Definitely need to know if tickets need to be bought ahead of time or if they can be bought at the game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 27, 2006, 10:23:51 PM
I believe I will be in West Texas Friday and driving through Abilene around tipoff.  Would love to drop in to Indian country and buy a ticket!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2006, 11:38:46 PM
FYI according to the news and the McMurry website the HPU/TU game starts at 5pm not 5:30pm as stated earlier by another person.  And the HSU/McM game does start at 8pm.

The Saturday 2nd round game starts at 6pm.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 28, 2006, 10:13:20 AM
Quote from: dballa on February 27, 2006, 09:35:12 PM
Yeah inthepaint that is something that i want to know as well.  I won't be able to make the Friday games due to work but i'm hoping after an HPU victory on Friday i'll be able to make the game on Saturday.  Definitely need to know if tickets need to be bought ahead of time or if they can be bought at the game.

each team has a limited amount of reserved tickets.

the rest will be for the general public.

if you dont get there early, you wont get a seat.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 28, 2006, 10:16:42 AM
Thanks for the information on the tickets.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 28, 2006, 03:10:51 PM
daballa mentioned earlier splitting the conference in two to get more outside games.  What about leaving the NCAA altogether?  There are still schools around here like Lubbock Christian or Wayland Baptist who play NAIA; we don't have to belong to the NCAA.  It seems to me the whole thing about saving transport costs is bogus; presumably, we member schools are paying for them with our membership fees, and one of the things our players expect -- and deserve -- is to play outside the conference when they get to the playoff level.  Why should we pay for other schools to play regional institutions while we end up playing each other at home?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 28, 2006, 03:18:24 PM
Here's my perspective on that as a member of the media:

At work the other day I made the statement that no Abilene team of a MAJOR sport has EVER won a national championship...Sure McM has some track and golf championships, and ACU has some DII championships in track...But none in a major sport.  Someone piped up, "What about ACU's two Football Championships?"  Another man said, "Doesn't count, NAIA."
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2006, 04:10:34 PM
As I understand it, the individual instittuions must bear the expense of playoff transportation in the NAIA.

We, McMurry, have had quite a bit of national playoff expense in the last 6 years.

Baseball to Illinois in 2004
The  golfers twice.
National indoor and outdoor T&F.
Men's basketball in 2000 and 2001.
Women's basketball in 2000, but they were home games!

As for the issue of peer institutions, the Red River Athletic Conference will have these members playing basketball in 2006-07:

Texas Wesleyan, Texas College, Paul Quinn College, Jarvis Christian College, Huston-Tillotson College, Wylie College, Southwestern Assemblies of God, Houston Baptist College, and Bacone University OK.

Wayland Baptist and Lubbock Christian College are the 2 Texas members in the 10-team Sooner AC.

D3 makes sense to me.  Even Trinity complains about always having to travel.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 28, 2006, 04:10:51 PM
jungle you are right and if you go NAIA your recruiting just ended...D3 is a great place for your kids who are not big enough, strong enough, and may be don't have quite the talent that D1 or 2 have but still love the game with all of their heart, and the competition is still there and thats what they love.  D3 is also NCAA which is a draw...a D3 championship is still a NCAA championship...a trip to the tourney is still a trip to a NCAA tournament. does NAIA even have a national championship...i've never heard of it but i am sure it does...my daughter played D2 and then D3 and now works in D1...there is just a magic about NCAA even though they do a lot of things wrong.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2006, 04:18:45 PM
ACU has won more Championships than anyone in D2.

We all know the type...if he ain't won a national championship in one of the two official sports, football or spring football, it don't count! ;D :D ;) ::)

http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/champs_listing2.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 28, 2006, 04:19:29 PM
We were in the NAIA Div II at one time and yes there is a national tournament.  It's played all at the same spot.  The guys were in Nampa, Idaho for a while, not sure if it still is.  I don't remember where the women's tourney was.  The bad thing about that is we were all non-scholarship schools trying to play with teams that had scholarships.  I would rather stay in a Division where all schools are equal in that aspect.  

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2006, 04:56:20 PM
I want to someone, AmyCarlson ASC Media Relations or Kyle Robarts McM SID or someone at MissColl or whomever for the great picture of Tarra Richardson on the front page.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: oldmcmalum on February 28, 2006, 06:22:12 PM
Yes, we do appreciate the photo of Tarra.  She is a shining star!

I have a question: Does anyone know why Tarra did not get the top honor for the ASC?  I have not found any discussion about this, and I was just wondering...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 28, 2006, 06:49:01 PM
Oldmcmalum, I wondered that also. I felt Tarra or even Symbri should have had that honor, or at least shared it together. Looking at the ASC web site maybe because both of them were "pitted" against each other in voting it took votes away from them. I'm just guessing, because I don't know how that works. I also know that the votes are cast before the conference tourney, so maybe that had an impact also. I was also a little distressed that only three of our starters were on the list for all conference and felt like Carli and Kaycee had played very solid this year.  But like I said I don't really know how the all-conference voting works. As a team, they are all MVPs to me.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: moseshightower on February 28, 2006, 07:14:29 PM
Anyone ready to make any predictions for this weekend?  I got TU over Howard Payne and McMurry over HSU on Friday.  This will set up the first TU @ McMurry game since the Lady Indians shocked the world and knocked off #1 TU a couple of seasons ago.  I think Trinity has enough posts to at least annoy Tarra Richardson (no one can stop her) and the key will be if Trinity's guards can slow the effectiveness of Tuttle.  Can I pick TU to lose when they've never lost to the ASC in the NCAAs?  That's like picking the Colts to beat the Pats in the playoffs, Indy looks like the have the tools but somehow they can't do it.  So, I'll take the Tigers to move on.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 28, 2006, 07:34:07 PM
The last two times HSU and McM met in tournament play, in 2000 in the post season, and last year in the ASC tournament, the team that won was too spent to win the following day's game.  The question this year is whether history will repeat for the third time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: oldmcmalum on February 28, 2006, 09:59:08 PM
Thanks for the help regarding the ASC honors, fanstand.  I did not know the voting took place before the tourney. 

I certainly agree about the contributions of the other teammates.  They are all supreme, but I thought the high scorer usually takes the honors.  Back in the sticks where I am from, during the dark ages, our high school coach gave an award for most assists, not most points! (I might add that he won big time and was national high school coach of the year.) So, Symbri gets lots of applause from me.

To the entire Lady Indians team, you make this old alum mighty proud! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 01, 2006, 07:53:19 PM
On the MVP discussion, Meia is more valuable to her team than Tara. If you take Tara away you still have a team that will compete, not saying HPU wouldn't without Meia, but HPU would definetly be hurting. Just my take.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2006, 10:55:06 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on March 01, 2006, 07:53:19 PM
On the MVP discussion, Meia is more valuable to her team than Tara. If you take Tara away you still have a team that will compete, not saying HPU wouldn't without Meia, but HPU would definetly be hurting. Just my take.

Seth, I agree!

As I review my in-game notes, I am reminded by the numerous contributions by everyone this year.  We had depth demonstrate itself competently as never before.

By the end of the season, McMurry has become a very solid 12-13 players lineup.  The younger players have matured very nicely.

Travel safely HPU fans, good luck against one of our favorite foes, TU!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 02, 2006, 03:47:07 PM
Will tickets for Saturday's game be sold earlier and at different locations or will it be first come first serve for that day?  Also how soon will the doors be open to get into the gym on Saturday?

I'm sure a lot of people are wondering how tickets will be handled for that day.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 03, 2006, 12:17:48 AM
Buy them at the gate Saturday. Here's the link to the tournament web site that I'll be updating as the tournament goes along. http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/ncaatourney

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 12:22:37 AM
Travel safely, all!!! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2006, 02:53:33 AM
Quote from: thejungle on February 27, 2006, 11:12:29 AM
P.S.  If you want a copy of the brackets that looks like the DI version go here:

http://www.ncaasports.com/ (remainder deleted)

Was there a problem with ours? They were available on the front page at that time of day.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 03, 2006, 09:36:49 AM
No last-minute speculation about the matchups this weekend?  I'd think HPU would be looking forward to revenge on TU after TU knocked them out of the playoffs last year in Brownwood, and McM and HSU always love to beat up on each other.  What do the TU fans think about things here?  Are any coming?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2006, 09:51:05 AM
I would have made the trip except that I have a concert in Sherman tomorrow and dress rehearsal tonight.  Trinity should have a shot tonight - they are used to travelling, after all - but asking the young team to win in a decidedly hostile environment might be a bit much.  I would have felt better had the women been able to pull of the upset of DePauw.   Both times TU played DPU, they had the game tied down the stretch but could not get that last stop to win. 

Whatever the case, safe travels and safe games to all involved. 

Here is the Abilene Reporter-News (http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_lc_howard_payne_univ/article/0,1874,ABIL_8788_4510712,00.html) writeup on HPU-Trinity (not much), as well as a story from the Brownwood Bulletin (http://www.brownwoodbulletin.com/articles/2006/03/02/sports/sports010.txt). 
Here is the ARN writeup for HSU (http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_lc_hardin_simmons_univ/article/0,1874,ABIL_8786_4510723,00.html) and another for McMurry (http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_lc_mcmurry_univ/article/0,1874,ABIL_8787_4510721,00.html).

I would provide you the same from the San Antonio Express-News, except for the fact there isn't anything. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 03, 2006, 10:00:45 AM
I'm back from Turkey.   I did watch returns but could not post reactions.   The lost to ETBU was ugly,  and no excues,  but I really think the team has not recovered emotionally.  Getting into the tournament really blew my mind.  Last years team was much better and was left home.  Getting was totally from past records.   Tonight,  well MCM has been on a roll,  it is theirs to lose.   The fact that it is at HSU could help the Cowgirls.    To be totally honest as long as Trinity doesn't come out as the best DIII school and I will be satistfied.   
I'm just so happy to be on a keyboard that I understand.  The Turkish keyboard were a real trick to deal with.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 03, 2006, 10:16:21 AM
Before anyone gets crazy on me I see that they are playing at MCM,  which makes sense because they have earned it,  even if it is a terrible gym for college level.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on March 03, 2006, 10:59:13 AM
Pat,
     There was nothing wrong with your brackets...I thought people would like to have a copy that looks like the one we fill out for the 'office pool' in March.
     I later noticed that you had a link up for them.
     Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2006, 11:23:11 AM
I hate to send people to NCAA$ports.com for anything if I can avoid it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2006, 06:32:26 PM
HPU is broadcasting the game. (http://www.tsrnsports.com/Broadcast/Broad-U-HowardPayne.htm)

30-25 HPU with 4 minutes left in the half.  HPU has 22 FTs already to 6 by Trinity. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 03, 2006, 07:39:58 PM
HPU 71 Trinity 53 FINAL!!!!!!!!!

WAY TO GO LADY JACKETS!!! wish i could have been there.  definitely will be there tomorrow.


Moseshightower,  how about that final?? pretty much blows up your prediction for the whole weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 07:48:07 PM
MURVUL Men 44 Trinity Men 26 at the half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 08:03:15 PM
MURVUL 61, Trinity 38; 14:15.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 08:40:59 PM
MURVUL 83, Trinity 64 men; Final.

Announcers wonder if MURVUL's depth was the difference!

The Scots play the winner of Maryville MO vs MissCollege.

Trinity did not have a traditional post player.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 09:16:26 PM
McM jumped to a 7-0 and 9-2 lead.  HSU has had a 14-2 run.

HSU 16-11. 10:37.

McMurry may have only scored 2 points in 9 minutes.

HSU-Singeltary FG. HSU 18-11.
McM-Engleke FG.
HSU--Paetzold reb
McM--Engelke gets her 2nd player control foul, both drawn by Sonya West.  9:23 left.  HSU 18-13.


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 09:25:30 PM
HSU 20-13 7:24
McM--foul on Singletary her first. Butler 1&1- no good. Venekamp rebs
McM--rebs HSU Sawyer misses 3FG.
HSU--rebs Thompson
HSU--traveling.
McM--6:32 game is simialr to the Jan game at Mabee
McM--reb west
HSU--20-13 6:00; reb Sawyer
McM--reb West 5:20
HSU--Richardson blocks Conaway. Richardson rebs
McM--Sawyer misses, HSU rebs
HSU--Thompson FG
McM--4:30 HSU 22-13.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 03, 2006, 09:26:59 PM
Ralph the way McMurry started the game it was looking like it would be all Indians in this game.  Amazing how things turned around quickly.  

Is it just me or does it sound exactly like their last game that HSU won?  McMurry just can't hit any shots.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 03, 2006, 09:38:10 PM
of course as I wrote that McMurry goes on a 9-0 run the last 6 mins or so and HSU can't score.

Kind of makes you wonder, whoever wins this if they'll have enough energy to play a good game tomorrow against HPU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 03, 2006, 09:45:09 PM
Ralph don't know if you're planning on posting it or not but halftime score

HSU 23 McM 22.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 03, 2006, 09:56:44 PM
You guys following the game on the internet feed probably don't realize what it's actually like in Kimbrell right now.  Same as the last game we hosted with HSU: it is totally packed and the cooling system either wasn't turned on in time or can't handle all the bodies.  It is HOT!  Obviously this has to affect the game, and which players get rotated in when, etc.   The gym is divided 50-50 for the McM and HSU fans, and there are no empty spaces on either side.  As I posted earlier, the winner the last two times McM and HSU met in a tournament was too spent to pull off the win in the final game the following day.  HPU appears to have had an easy time of Trinity.  Once they started to increase their lead from the mid-point of the first half, it was all HPU. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 03, 2006, 10:07:02 PM
Well at least something is hot in the gym because neither teams shooting percentage is too hot :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 10:16:08 PM
dballa, I had to run a quick errand.  Thanks for filling in!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 10:17:35 PM
HSU 41 McM 31 10:00.  McM's Sawyer has not scored.
HSU 44 McM 33 as Sawyer scored! 8:58 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 10:23:03 PM
McM--really struggling. 7:30 left. 
HSU--getting the turnovers but cannot convert.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 10:27:25 PM
HSU 46 McM 33 on Singletary's 2 FT's.
McM--numerous airballs. Tough situation for the Lady Indians tonight.  The Lemon out of Lemonade scenario is that they never will let it happen again.

HSU--Singletary turnover.
McM--Richardson FG HSU 46-35. 6:08
HSU--Dennard FG HSU 48-35.
McM--5:38.Tuttle FG 48-37
HSU--Horton steals
McM--Tuttle misses FG, ball out of bounds.

HSU--
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 10:28:40 PM
HSU--West throws it away.
McM--Tuttle fouled by West who fouls out with 10 points 4:45 left.  HSU 48-37.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 10:30:31 PM
McM--Tuttle at the line.  FT 2 -2.  HSU 48 McM 39. 4:45.

McM is 1-17 on 3FG's!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 10:32:12 PM
HSU--Singletary snowbird.
McM--Tuttle layup  50-41
HSU--Dennard FG  52-41
McM--stolen by HSU
HSU--Richardson rebs.
McM--3:28 McM timeout.  HSU 52-41.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 10:39:30 PM
McM-- 3:28 Engelke FG HSU 52-43.
HSU-- Rebs Tuttle
McM-- Venekamp misses a 3FG. (1-18 on 3FG!)
HSU--Dennard FT 2-2. HSU 54-43.
McM-- Paetzold misses 3FG; Richardson the Fg on the putback. good
McM--steal.  Rachel Singletary fouls Tuttle FT  2-2 54-47.
HSU--2:07  Jones to the line.  FT 2-2. HSU 56 -47.  1:48.
McM--1:45--Venekamp misses 3FG... multiple misses. McM inbounds.  misses.........
HSU-- 1:08
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 10:41:16 PM
HSU--Finstad fouls Singletary FT 1-2. HSU 57-47.

McM--0:57. rebs HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 10:44:52 PM
Cisneros misses.
McM--Tuttle layup. good.
HSU--Singletary FT 2-2.  59-49.
McM--Richardson fouled FT  2-2. HSU 59-51 0:30.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 10:48:55 PM
Final  HSU 64, McM 53.

Congratulations, Cowgirls!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 03, 2006, 10:49:16 PM
I am SO proud of the Cowgirls...who would have guessed?

Go Cowgirls...prove you deserve in the playoffs!



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 11:05:44 PM
Stats:

Singletary --18 including 12-13 FT's in 24 minutes off the bench.
Dennard 17 pts and 5 rebs
West -- 10 pts and 16 rebs (3 off 13 def).

FG 19-48; 3FG 2-9; FT 24-34
Rebs 55 13off - 42def.

Assists 13, Steals 11, Turnovers 26.

McM--

Richardson -- 21 pts, 12 rebs and a record 6 blocked shots.
Tuttle -- 16 pts.

FG 21-69; 3FG 1-22!; FT 10-18; Rebs 40 17 off 23 def.
Assists 11; steals 12; Turnovers 17.

Coach Holmes said that the officating was excellent in a personal observation!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on March 03, 2006, 11:20:38 PM
McMurry people may be down now, but the sun will come up in the morning. 

L. I. B. goes 26 wins and 3 losses plus wins the ASC championship.  McM loses two players.  Experience has been gained and added maturity will come with time.  This one hurts and should serve to make L. I. B. better players and people. 

At the start of this season, McM was picked 4th and was expected to be a year away.  L. I. B. exceeded what many thought possible. The ladies played well last week end in Mississippi and it just was not meant to be.  At least for this season. 

Thanks to L. I. B. and Coaches for a fine season!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 03, 2006, 11:21:55 PM
Ralph,

Thanks for the stats...

It was a tough win!  It was a tough loss!

Really sets up an interesting game tomorrow night with

HSU and HPU...on the Reservation!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 03, 2006, 11:25:43 PM
Kind of like last year...HPU vs McM on HSU's floor...this year HPU vs HSU on McM's floor...

although that was in the ASC tournament...but whats the difference...ASC championship or the NCAA Div 3 Texas State Championship :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 11:50:05 PM
Quote from: dsc on March 03, 2006, 11:21:55 PM
...on the Reservation!

ahh dsc, in the late 1990's, McMurry went thru its institutional names, policies and landmarks and discontinued the use of Reservation in conjunction with the campus!

We maintain that the use of Indians is in commemoration of the childhood of the university's founder, and is neither abusive not hostile.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 04, 2006, 12:32:40 AM
OMG!!! 

Ralph, I certainly didn't mean any disrespect...I thought it was a term of endearment...like "home on the range"  would perhaps be for HSU!

Does McM still set up the tee-pees?

I know that was always fun to go over there during HC!

:D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 12:45:45 AM
Quote from: dsc on March 04, 2006, 12:32:40 AM
OMG!!! 

Ralph, I certainly didn't mean any disrespect...I thought it was a term of endearment...like "home on the range"  would perhaps be for HSU!

Does McM still set up the tee-pees?

McMurry still features a living history and cultural exhibit portraying the lives of the Plains Indians commonly referred to as "Tipi Village".  Annually over 3000 elementary school children get to visit the Village during McMurry Homecoming. ;)

I know that was always fun to go over there during HC!

:D

No malice assumed, but the NCAA and the political orthodoxy are always on the prowl! :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 04, 2006, 01:40:47 AM
Sucks! Great Season, but tonite sucked. Oh well, the sun comes up in the morning. We regroup and move on. Dang, I gotta clean house tomorrow, been 6 months since I've been home much. Thanks LIB. what a ride!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 04, 2006, 02:34:13 AM
OOOOOOOO moseshightower.................... nice predictions!!!!
honestly, completly wrong is hard to beat.  i've eaten my own share of words in years past.  but wow.   ;) ok so thats harsh.  :)

what i meant to say was..........

Lets go JACKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 04, 2006, 02:43:40 AM
Wow! Got to listen to the last five minutes of the the game.  Got a little concerned when West  fouled out,  but what I heard was that  a great team effort would not be denied.

Now I know this is went the "arrogant HSU fans"  are suppose to gloat.  Well.  this is a year that as an HSU fan I really felt they were the underdogs after the first loss to McMurry,  it was a real different experience.  MCM had a great year,  my hat goes off to them.  Only three losses and two of them to HSU.  Now they realize the target you wear when you are the leader of the pack.

I think the Cowgirls finally got back emotionally  to where they were before the HPU game  when they heard the terrible news just before the game.  I have never felt we had an excuse for lossing,  bad things happen to good people.  It is just that I have so much more respect that they have overcome that and losing to ETBU.  I'm sure after they lost to HPU they were experiencing greater feelings of loss.    Again I am not making excuses for loses I just amazed that they came up with tonights effort.  

I would have to think West had to be thinking she got the last laugh.   I know it wasn't about one person and certainly other Cowgirls made major if not better efforts on the night.  But for her she just had to be feeling pretty good,  and to do it in their gym.  I seriously am not trying to stir thing up,  but humans being humans you got to think.

Let me say a great thank you to HPU for beating Trinity. I know you had your own revenge to motivate you but I really love when anyone beats them.
Of course I am really hoping that the Cowgirls do beat HPU. But it could set up an emotional nightmare for me.  If they win and if either of the California teams win over the northwest teams and then they may have to play in this state and I would really be wanting to take the ten hour drive down south.  I'm sure the HPU people would love to relieve me of that problem,  but the northwest teams will most likely do that.  
Again to Indian faithful,  Ralph especially,  great team,  bad night.  I know you will be back next year,  just remember we are only losing West.  Will be very tight again.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 09:48:21 AM
Quote from: calhsu on March 04, 2006, 02:43:40 AM
...

...Only three losses and two of them to HSU.  Now they realize the target you wear when you are the leader of the pack.

...Again to Indian faithful,  Ralph especially,  great team,  bad night.  I know you will be back next year,  just remember we are only losing West.  Will be very tight again.

Good morning calhsu!  Congratulations to the Cowgirls! 

Another installment in the "Finest Rivalry in Women's D3 Hoops".

Another really tough game faces the Cowgirls tonight.  Actually the "neutral site" may be best for this game.  HPU may have had the easiest draw.

McMurry only loses Carli Engelke and Jennifer Finstad, so everyone else gets another year in the weight room, and Coaches Nichols and Densman can find 3-4 more players to fit into the rotation.

I cannot undervalue the benefits of working in the weight room.  Please trust me.  I have seen numerous D3 and D1 players as well as Olympic skaters and Ironman competitors in their later lives.  Women athletes do not get overmuscled by weight work.  Any excess muscle mass that is not continually toned will disappear within a couple of years.  So go ahead and work on your strength and flexibility.

The profile of the SCAC is much higher than the ASC in D3 for numerous reasons that have nothing to do with the game on the floor.  Congratulations to the Lady Jackets for the convincing win over Trinity! ;)

Travel safely, friends!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 04, 2006, 10:57:53 AM
Congratulations, Lady Indians, on a great season!  Last year, it didn't end quite like this, but this year we have both the Division and the Conference championships to show for our efforts... a first in the history of the team.
Coach Nichols commented last night on the radio after the game that some of the players worried they let down their fans by losing.  That's a bogus thought: it seems to me you play for yourself, not the fans; we're just along for the ride.  And you gave us a great ride.  Thanks for everything.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on March 04, 2006, 11:56:57 AM
My hat is off to HSU...Seriously.  The way I say it, HSU is the only team that really beat McMurry this season. We beat ourselves against Howard Payne, and would never have lost if #4 hadn't gone crazy and hit like 4 three-pointers at the very end.

But HSU REALLY beat us...Twice.  Both times the cowgirls to seemed to have all the answers...They shut down the LIB inside...They somehow got in our heads and ruined our outside shot, and got enough offense to lead us by double digits for most of both second halves. 

I don't know how you did it, but my hat is off to HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 04, 2006, 01:20:46 PM
quite an epic battle to be fought in old Abilene today!!!  it is really our honor and privilege as fans to get to watch such a game!  both tonight and those played out yesterday.  of course i'm cheering on my HPU girls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  enjoy the rivalry game everyone. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 04, 2006, 01:50:05 PM
Wow, what a Friday night! 

This conference is really about three teams - McM, HPU and HSU.  This season, right up to the present day, has been anyone's to win or lose.  I have no idea who has the momentum, who should be the pick, etc. 

We'll be watching for the results!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: moseshightower on March 04, 2006, 01:55:26 PM
I gotta admit, I did go 0-2 on predictions last night.  Sounds like Trinity had no answer for Daniels but I don't think many teams in the country do.  I was shocked by the Hardin Simmons win considering there results coming into the NCAAs.  They showed some real character winning that game.  Good luck to both teams in tonight's state championship.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 04, 2006, 02:03:59 PM
I can't even predict who will win tonight. We were ready, all the cards were really in our court and we couldn't pull it off. It all goes back to the "any given team" scenario. When it gets to this time of the year, predictions go out the window. It's too bad three good teams have to eliminate each other, but one of the ASC teams is getting to the Sweet 16. I'll be quietly watching the game tonight, but I really don't have a clue who is going to win. Congrats to the L.I.B., it was truly a great season, and good luck to whoever, do the ASC proud. It will probably be just as intense next year and all these teams are young. I'm getting too old for all this !!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: moseshightower on March 04, 2006, 01:55:26 PM
They showed some real character winning that game.  Good luck to both teams in tonight's state championship.

Even tho' we are knocking ourselves out, we ought to hang a special banner.

"D3 Texas National Champion!"

That has a nice sound! :D ;D :D 8)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 04, 2006, 06:10:18 PM
What time is the tipoff?  I assumed it would be an afternoon game! 

This game will be a tight one, I do believe.  HPU has a lot of strengths and has shown that they can handle anyone.  HSU has demonstrated that when they have things together they, too, can handle anyone.

It will all come down to heart, poise and coaching.  Can you say HSU has a slight home court advantage, simply because they are playing in their own town? 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 07:46:32 PM
HSU 40, HPU 30 Halftime.

HSU:  West 9, Singletary 9, Dennard 8, Hodges 7,

FG 14-27, FT 8-10; Rebs 20.

HPU: Daniels 10 (FG 3-15), Blalock 12 Hohertz 6.

FG 9-30; FT 10-12; Rebs 16.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 08:40:46 PM
HSU  73 , HPU 64.  Final.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on March 04, 2006, 08:45:04 PM
WOW! :o
Thanks, Ralph! :-* (And that is not from Brokeback Mountain!)
Stay on the roll, Cowgirls! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 08:48:38 PM
The ASC needs the Cowgirls to get to the Final Four.

I hope that 2 weeks from tonight the Cowgirls will be thinking about how hard it was for the Cowgirls to get out of Texas! ;)

Travel safely! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 04, 2006, 08:57:55 PM
Thanks Ralph,

I lost my Internet stream with about 2 minutes to go...but I figured the Cowgirls would pull it off, even though the lead was only 5 or 7 points at the time!  Who would ever have "thunk" it. ???

The McM game was "tougher"...but HSU still had enough gas...for HPU.  Quite surprising!   Meia Daniels seemed to be an outstanding player.  I think the headlines on the HSU homepage a few days ago was something like how they had NO PLAYERS on the first team...so the team has come together!

Congratulations HSU Cowgirls.  Go West, young Women 8)
and make us all proud!  Good luck! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 04, 2006, 08:58:26 PM
Wow, How about those Cowgirls.

What a difference a week makes.  The three top ASC teams each had their moments.  HPU had a great weekend in Abilene,  MCM had a confernce championship,  HSU is going to the sweet sixteen.  

PLU is a great team.  Washington is a long way from Texas.  I should know.  I went to high school in Washingto and went from there to HSU.
Several years ago HSU lost to PLU in the national tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 04, 2006, 10:12:24 PM
Congratulations to Shawna Briggs for taking yet another HSU team to the Sweet 16 bracket . . . at least! 

The ASC has been striving for a Final Four appearance for years.  Maybe this is the year!  If the collective cheers of the folks back home are all that's needed to go all the way then the Cowgirls are assured of winning it all!

What an amazing year!  The ASC has never (at least in my memory) had a season where there was such competition!  It's been great!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 04, 2006, 10:38:01 PM
Just got back from Abilene, HPU came out with no intensity whatsoever through the whole game.  The only time they showed any heart in the game was when they were down by 15 and cut it to 3 in the 2nd half.  Other than that they didn't play like they even wanted to be there.

Congrats to HSU, represent well.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 10:55:31 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 04, 2006, 10:12:24 PM
Congratulations to Shawna Briggs for taking yet another HSU team to the Sweet 16 bracket . . . at least! 

The ASC has been striving for a Final Four appearance for years.  Maybe this is the year!  If the collective cheers of the folks back home are all that's needed to go all the way then the Cowgirls are assured of winning it all!

What an amazing year!  The ASC has never (at least in my memory) had a season where there was such competition!  It's been great!

Paint, I wonder if this is not the "battle-hardening" that has been missing in ASC teams once they get to the playoffs.

The ASC-West has been very hard  (McM, HSU, HPU and UMHB especially), and Mississippi College was very tough in interdivisional play.

If this only makes us ASC Teams better, then we need this every year!

I probably speak for the great majority of fans.  Yeah, we wish we were there, but for the sake of the conference, good luck and Go Cowgirls!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 04, 2006, 11:59:56 PM
Ralph, I believe you may be right in your assessment!

I rememberr last season when we wondered if HSU had slipped a couple of notches or if other ASC teams had stepped things up.  The conclusion was that the latter was more likely than the former.

This season, in my opinion, demonstrated that the calibre of teams playing in the ASC, especially, but not exclusively, in the West, has improved dramatically.  It was anyone's game on virtually any night.  McM was incredible all year long.  HPU again this season showed they were a serious contender and a force to be reckoned with.  HSU, again in my opionion, snuck through the back door into this postseason play.  They have obviouisly played well enough to prove they belonged in the tournament but, nevertheless, they did not win their way in!

Glad they are there and I'm glad they are heading West to play the next round.  This may just be the year that they go to the Final Four . . . and maybe, just maybe, beyond!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2006, 12:27:35 AM
Paint, I am not sure how good Pac Lutheran is.

They played some NAIA's from the Cascade Conference, plus NAIA Montana Tech.

http://www.cascadeconference.org/postseason/2006wbxplayoffs.htm

They did defeat Concorida Moorhead and Chapman, both of which made the first round of the Dance!

http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?school=Pacific%20Lutheran&team=w

They have size; I wonder if they have quickness.

http://www.plu.edu/~athletic/wbball/roster.html

And they have home court advantage.

Go Cowgirls!  You can do it!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2006, 12:31:43 AM
PLU Stats (http://www.plu.edu/~athletic/wbball/2005-06%20statistics/TEAMCUME.HTM)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 05, 2006, 07:47:58 PM
I'm not feeling it...take away my karma, call me a baby,a sore loser, whatever....I wanted us to be there. I don't care who wins at this point. The committees who be, that set us up to play three teams in the same conference again, it just doesn't seem right, in the name of money or whatever. I'm just being honest. I guarantee if McM had won, a lot of HSU and HPU fans would be feeling the same way, they may not put it out there but they wouldn't be rooting for us to win. Sorry but I HATE losing especially to HSU. Give me some time and I'll get over it........(I'll probably lose my spot on the All mom's list)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2006, 08:04:44 PM
That's okay, fanstand.  Losing is tough. 

I suggest that you talk to your gynecologist.  ;) :D

I really hope that HSU doesn't choke!  That would be really bad.  I would have felt the same pressure if McMurry had choked in the Sectionals.

The nagging unanswered question that can only be answered by HSU is whether we play Final Four quality basketball in the ASC-West.  If HSU gets there, if HSU wins the National Championship, then we know how close we are and how much work we have to do in the off-season to unseat the National Champions.

This is just the next step that LIB needs to take.  More work in the off-season, a good recruiting class and working on weights and conditioning.

We have a good pre-conference schedule next year, and the Tourney will be on the West.

GO L.I.B.!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1fan on March 05, 2006, 08:10:28 PM
One thing I keep wondering about...and if NCAA gave any thought to was that HSU lost first round and MCM had to play two more very hard fought ball games that weekend.  HPU lost 2nd round leaving MCM to play one more than they did.  Although this does not sound like a lot but 3 games in 3 days does take a toll on these young girls mental and physical health.  Give credit to Austin, ETBU and UMHB they gave us great games but I still think it put us at a disadvantage coming into this tournament.  

One other comment regarding Tara not getting player of the year...someone suggested that MCM had other players who could step up and score but I believe HPU has several other very good players also.  By having Tara and people concentrating on her it helped us to open up the three point game which in turn helped take some of the pressure off of her.  Although Meia is a great player I beleive Tara was more of an impact player.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2006, 08:54:13 PM
Quote from: #1fan on March 05, 2006, 08:10:28 PM
One thing I keep wondering about...and if NCAA gave any thought to was that HSU lost first round and MCM had to play two more very hard fought ball games that weekend.  HPU lost 2nd round leaving MCM to play one more than they did.  Although this does not sound like a lot but 3 games in 3 days does take a toll on these young girls mental and physical health.  Give credit to Austin, ETBU and UMHB they gave us great games but I still think it put us at a disadvantage coming into this tournament.  

One other comment regarding Tara not getting player of the year...someone suggested that MCM had other players who could step up and score but I believe HPU has several other very good players also.  By having Tara and people concentrating on her it helped us to open up the three point game which in turn helped take some of the pressure off of her.  Although Meia is a great player I beleive Tara was more of an impact player.

#1 fan, I think that the ASC-Tourney win was what earned McM the Texas sub-bracket!

I think that the HSU loss to ETBU was what knocked the Cowgirls off their high horse..."We are HSU Cowgirls!  Now are you going to roll over and lose?  Or do I have to go and get my hair sweaty?" ;)

Sonya West alluded to a team meeting that they had.  That may have been the best thing that could have happened.

If HSU continues to play with that ferocity, then we ASC fans can judge how good they are.  Our provincial nature is inclined to think that "we are the best teams in the country!" whether that is true or not.

But if HSU was able to take it to that level, playing the 2 teams in the country that they would like to beat most, then we know what it takes to win it all.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 05, 2006, 08:55:18 PM
Quote from: fanstand on March 05, 2006, 07:47:58 PM
I'm not feeling it...take away my karma, call me a baby,a sore loser, whatever....I wanted us to be there. I don't care who wins at this point. The committees who be, that set us up to play three teams in the same conference again, it just doesn't seem right, in the name of money or whatever. I'm just being honest. I guarantee if McM had won, a lot of HSU and HPU fans would be feeling the same way, they may not put it out there but they wouldn't be rooting for us to win. Sorry but I HATE losing especially to HSU. Give me some time and I'll get over it........(I'll probably lose my spot on the All mom's list)

Fanstand, surely you know that losing to McMurry hurts HSU fans as much as the other way around. :(

What was to be...is!

I realize there are not too many HSU fans posting on these boards...most of the season it has been McM fans posting...so it is up to me!!!

Of course I want HSU to win it all, but just to get to the Sweet Sixteen...perhaps to the Elite Eight...or further...would be wonderful!  But for a team that had NO PLAYERS on the first team ALL ASC...I have to say that I am proud of the Cowgirls.

Everyone gets upset and disappointed because the HSU Cowgirls have not gone to the FINAL FOUR, even though they have been in the "dance" 7 of the last 8 years!  Well, I'm sorry, but that is pretty good to me!!!  In fact, it is outstanding!  And I am proud of the Purple and Gold!  Don't think I am gloating...too old for that!  Just wanted to prepare everyone to not complain if the Cowgirls don't make it all the way!!!

#1Fan makes some good points!  And if eveyone will recall...I was one of the first that acknowledged that HSU may have been selected to "complete the foursome"...but again, that's life.  Who knows, the Cowgirls have EARNED the right to be where they are now!



Go ASC...it was a fun year!  ...and might get BETTER! ;)


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 05, 2006, 10:05:05 PM
Quote from: fanstand on March 05, 2006, 07:47:58 PM
I'm not feeling it...take away my karma, call me a baby,a sore loser, whatever....I wanted us to be there. I don't care who wins at this point.

I guarantee if McM had won, a lot of HSU and HPU fans would be feeling the same way, they may not put it out there but they wouldn't be rooting for us to win. Sorry but I HATE losing especially to HSU. Give me some time and I'll get over it........(I'll probably lose my spot on the All mom's list)

I'm not taking away any karma points.  In fact, I'm giving you another one!  :D

You still ought to care about who wins, though.  Wouldn't it be nice to say you were knocked out of the tournament by the team that ultimately won it all?  Wouldn't it be nice to speak of the ASC as the conference that turned out the National Champs?

As to your guarantee, I don't think there would be a lot of HSU fans who would not be cheering for McM.  I have a lot of confidence in my fellow HSU-backers.  I think for the most part they/we are a classy bunch!  ::)

I don't blame you for hating to lose to HSU.  For years they have been the team to beat!McM had them this season and then lost to them when it mattered most.  It's just the same song, next verse, or deja vu all over again!

Finally, Ralph, your advise for this dear, sweet woman was a classic!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 05, 2006, 10:33:19 PM
I just wanted my 400th post!   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2006, 11:17:51 PM
Plus one, Paint! :D ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 06, 2006, 11:28:18 AM
I was a little disappointed in Fanstand's post but I really do understand.  Pour out hostility toward HSU or put the blame on it her girls.  It really wasn't much of a choice. 

I bleed purple and gold this time of year.  But all this talk of final four and national championship is a little premature.  Ralph,  I do not think if they lost to PLU at PLU,  a team as highly rated as that, or if they then lost to RMC that would be so bad.   I am not making excues ahead of time I am really just being realistic.  This team has more losses than any HSU team in recent years.   
On the other hand, the theory that they might be better because they had to fight and claw to get here this year has some merit.   One other good thing is how the team has transitioned to what it is now.  I did some comparison of the team when they beat MCM the first time and where they are as of the past weekend.   Very different and several sophs have really stepped up. 
Up to now all the cowgirls have done is win the state DIII championship.   
The ladies need to bring a umbrella for it has been very wet here on the left coast.  And all my trips to the Seattle, Tacoma area  were wet.   I visited the PLU campus in high school , very beautiful,  very expensive to go there.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 06, 2006, 11:38:01 AM
I'm under the impression that areas of the country serve up very different levels of play in terms of women's basketball.  For instance, West Texas typically has stronger women's teams than south Texas; the Panhandle offers a stronger overall program than East Texas.  The Northeastern part of the country typically has stronger teams than the South and I don't remember too many really strong teams in the Western part of the country at all.

I may be way off base here but I think HSU has a much better lot before them by playing west coast teams than they would if they were heading easterly at this point in the tournament.  Playing Midwest teams the last few years of postseason play has never been successful for the Cowgirls.  I'm optimistic over their chances for success!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on March 06, 2006, 12:14:51 PM
The most dominating team in the ASC is HSU -- (Men's or Women's)  Who else can compare with HSU over the past 8 years.  Final 4, Elite 8, National Championship, who cares. No one has done what HSU Women have done.
Good Luck with the next game and hats off to them for this years run.  Way to go Coach Briggs and Cowgirls!!!  Everyone had you buried and the haters are now coming out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on March 06, 2006, 12:25:31 PM
Aaahhh!  Finally back in the office after a weekend in Abilene.... but what a weekend.   From o and out to the 16th floor.  The Cowgirls were brilliant, played with passion and emotion,  and did not let a very hostile gym effect them.  They played like there was no tomorrow, but with poise and determination.  I can't put my finger on it but they seemed like a much different team than they had been all season......they went out on the floor and just played their hearts out!
   I know some of what went on in that hour after the loss in Miss.  but wow,  whatever else happend.. it was magic.  The girls had been thru  much adversity up until Miss. and got beat by a very athletic and good ETBU team.... then to get a second chance....They made the most of it!!!
   I do know this..the Cowgirls are not satisfied to just be there,  They are going out to win it all.  After McMurry their matra was 5 more games,  after HPU they said 4 more games... I believe they can do it and they believe they can do it..they are a very dangerous team right now(ask Sam)

GO COWGIRLS!!    (sorry about the all caps)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 06, 2006, 01:08:38 PM
Quote from: jmnaseum on March 06, 2006, 12:14:51 PM
The most dominating team in the ASC is HSU -- (Men's or Women's) 

Final 4, Elite 8, National Championship, who cares. No one has done what HSU Women have done.

Men's or Women's?   ???  I have not watched a men's game in a few years but three years or so ago the men's team was awful!  Maybe they have improved, I simply do not know.  But I would never use the word "dominating" when describing HSU men's basketball!

Who cares?  I do.   :o  While no one in the ASC has done what HSU has done, plenty of teams in the national arena have done all that and more! 

The best the ASC has delivered in the last who-knows-how-many years is an Elite Eight appearance.  Typically it's been a Sweet 16 showing and then a good thumping by some team outside of the South.  The best thing that could happen to both the ASC and HSU would be a Final Four appearance or better!  I am thinking this is the best year in a dozen for it to occur!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 06, 2006, 01:20:15 PM
Hey!  As important as all this ASC/Final Four/Rivalry talk is, I just had to break the thread with news about the new Bob Marley image on my profile.  Nice.  Very nice. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 06, 2006, 01:25:06 PM
One of the first years HSU was in the NCAA tournament they played PLU and were beat badly.  Ralph would remember it was one of the Otwell(I think that is how she spelled it) teams.

Paint I think you are right,  all things considered if you are faced with playing the team in the west and south with the best records  or   playing the teams from the east or midwest we have the better draw.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 06, 2006, 01:27:49 PM
Quote from: calhsu on March 06, 2006, 01:25:06 PM
Paint I think you are right,  all things considered if you are faced with playing the team in the west and south with the best records  or   playing the teams from the east or midwest we have the better draw.

Of course I am right!  Was there ever any question?  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 06, 2006, 01:37:03 PM
Paint I studied at seminary about you,  I think the word was
"inerrant."
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 06, 2006, 01:51:46 PM
What  a small world and maybe a little karma for HSU.  As I was checking the PLU season it seems that they lost one of their games to an Oregon team named Lewis and Clark.  On that team they have a player named Allison Farr who just happens to be from our little area.  My daughter even played against her until she quit playing her junior year.  The Farr girl is a "wide body" and had five blocks against PLU. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 06, 2006, 02:12:13 PM
It is very interesting checking the PLU stats.  From the looks of it they have two really good players.  Johnson and Long who both have over three hundred points a piece and one has 264 rebounds and Long has 335 rebounds. Both girls are juniors. K. Turner has 392 points  but on 95 rebounds. She is a senior.  Buckingham hs 237 pts and Mann 165,  after that it really drops off.  So they have five solid players only one soph.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2006, 04:05:26 PM
Quote from: calhsu on March 06, 2006, 11:28:18 AM
...   This team has more losses than any HSU team in recent years.   
On the other hand, the theory that they might be better because they had to fight and claw to get here this year has some merit.   One other good thing is how the team has transitioned to what it is now.  I did some comparison of the team when they beat MCM the first time and where they are as of the past weekend.   Very different and several sophs have really stepped up. 
Up to now all the cowgirls have done is win the state DIII championship.   
...

Guuawwwllyy, I couldn't have said it better! ;)

If the conference is better, then we should see it in the post-season play, and HSU would be more "battle-hardened" from playing a more competitive ASC-West/ASC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 06, 2006, 05:15:25 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2006, 04:05:26 PM

If the conference is better, then we should see it in the post-season play, and HSU would be more "battle-hardened" from playing a more competitive ASC-West/ASC!

I hope that is exactly what has happened!  I believe the ASC, especially the West, has stepped things up dramatically over the last two years and that the battle for the ASC championship only improves every team. 

HSU has taken advantage of the gift that this opportunity for postseaon play was.  Hopefully they were a good pick and their continued success will only affirm the decision to invite them to the tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 06, 2006, 05:46:48 PM
Quote from: calhsu on March 06, 2006, 01:37:03 PM
Paint I studied at seminary about you,  I think the word was
"inerrant."

No, not really.  Infallible, maybe!  ;)

For all you McM Methodists, those words mean "truth without any mixture of error."  ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2006, 06:41:51 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 06, 2006, 05:15:25 PM
...
HSU has taken advantage of the gift that this opportunity for postseaon play was.  Hopefully they were a good pick and their continued success will only affirm the decision to invite them to the tournament.

I think that the gift is actually the expanded Pool C this year.  I will try to run the numbers, but I think that HSU was actually the 18th out of 21 Pool C bids.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on March 07, 2006, 11:58:38 AM
inthepaint:
     We "McM Methodists" are confused:  Why is there a 'dancing' rastafarian as your picture?
     I thought baptists didn't dance?  I also thought they stayed away from Jamaica cause the country smells like burnt rope.
     Seriously though, I tend to agree with the battle-hardened analogy.  With the conference having more competitive teams it can do nothing but help HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 07, 2006, 03:19:02 PM
Quote from: thejungle on March 07, 2006, 11:58:38 AM
inthepaint:
     We "McM Methodists" are confused:  Why is there a 'dancing' rastafarian as your picture?
     I thought baptists didn't dance?  I also thought they stayed away from Jamaica cause the country smells like burnt rope.
     Seriously though, I tend to agree with the battle-hardened analogy.  With the conference having more competitive teams it can do nothing but help HSU.

I was educated at two of Texas' great Baptist schools.  While working on my undergraduate degree I was thankful for the Methodists, who hosted a once-a-month "function" on Friday nights for the Baptists down the road!  I thoroughly enjoyed the experience!

Fortunately we Baptists have overcome some of our past foolishness.  I mean, Baylor actually hosts regular on-campus events and even calls them what they are - DANCES!

As to the rastafarian influences of my life - that's another story all together!

Here's to hoping for continued HSU-ASC victories!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2006, 03:30:30 PM
Do you know the difference between the Methodists and the Baptists?

A Methodist will speak to you in a liquor store!


Do you know how to tell a Baptist or Church of Christ's preacher's daughter at McMurry?

She is the best dancer on the dance floor!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 07, 2006, 07:30:16 PM
FYI,  HSU commenced "on campus" dances last year!  :o Baylor...two years ago (or maybe 3, not sure which).  Even when I was at HSU last century, we enjoyed the trips over to McMurry...a note on the Bulletin Board in the SUB, was all it took!  (P.S.---I still can't dance!!!) :-[

BTW, don't ever take just one Baptist on a fishing trip.  He'll drink all your booze! (So take two!):-\

Just kidding! ;D

Go COWGIRLS... 8)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 07, 2006, 10:54:47 PM
A Baptist preacher and his secretary were having an affair.  They snuck down to the church kitchen for a quick fling one afternoon.  The secretary, afraid that someone would come in and catch them, said, "Let's just do this standing up."  The preacher, shocked, said, "No way!  If someone caught us they would think we were dancing!"

For the record, I grew up a Methodist.  I'm actually doing missionary work among the heathen these days.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 08, 2006, 05:56:41 PM
Don't y'all forget the line in the movie A River Runs Through It, where the Presbyterian minister-father character defines Methodists as simply "Baptists who know how to read"!...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 08, 2006, 06:21:30 PM
That is the best post to date on this important subject!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on March 09, 2006, 08:55:20 AM
Good luck to the HSU women this weekend!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on March 10, 2006, 12:39:11 PM
Does anyone know how the Cowgirls stack up against the Lutes?   Looks like we match up pretty well with their roster but that is about all I can figure out.  It sounds as if they too have an injured point guard but I can't find out for sure.
Any predictions out there?  How about it Ralph?
Cowgirls by 10! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 10, 2006, 08:39:37 PM
I signed on to see results and realized the games are two hours behind us in time!  Aaarrrrgggghhhhh!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 10, 2006, 09:24:04 PM
you're lucky, ITP...

I'm on the East Coast! >:(

It'll be tomorrow before we find out the results here! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 01:31:56 AM
Way to go Cowgirls!!! one more until the Final Four.  Randolph-Macon will be a lot tougher than PLU but it can be done.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 01:34:46 AM
Copngratualtions, Cowgirls!  You are getting RMC on a neutral court! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 11, 2006, 01:37:41 AM
What a great victory for the cowgirls.   I would think the PLU gym tomorrow night will be  a very small crowd.    Not having a radio broadcast has been tough.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 11, 2006, 01:38:31 AM
What an exciting game!  How about those Cowgirls!

76-72 in overtime!  Tough game...in PLU's gym...yet!

Go HSU!!!  Henley had a great game and even fouled out at the end...maybe someone else can step up tomorrow night!

Elite Eight!!!  Third time in 8 years!!!!

So proud of the Cowgirls!!!

And yes, I do agree that RMC will be tougher!!! Don't they have the Josten player of the year?  I could be wrong!

Go  HSU  Cowgirls!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 11, 2006, 01:41:26 AM
Calhsu,

You can still get the game over the Internet vice radio...check it out on the HSU homepage.  (Two ways to receive it.)

Just in case you didn't know!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 11, 2006, 01:42:52 AM
Yes they have the Josten winner.   I was reading the cowgirl material on the regional teams and they had great back history.  It seems four years ago HSU faced RMC and beat them soundly.  But the Silva girl even as a freshman was their leading scorer.   I hope she is looking for pay back.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 11, 2006, 01:45:40 AM
Sure feel real bad you Texas people having to stay up till Saturday for all this.  I'm just fixing to watch Lettermen.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 11, 2006, 01:47:49 AM
It's almost 2 a.m. here on the East Coast...


Good night, all!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 09:37:35 AM
It's Saturday morning and I just learned of the victory.  First thing I did after getting up (well, after getting a cup of coffee) was fire up the laptop and check the D3Hoops page for the good news.

I know of only one other year when the Cowgirls made it to the 8 team bracket.  This is wonderful for the school and the conference!  A win today pushes the team farther than any ASC team has ever gone before.  It is a huge statement for the ASC, that a team that was one-and-done in the conference tournament is going this deep in the national scene!  It tells everyone that the ASC is tougher than they would think!

Go Cowgirls!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 11, 2006, 01:14:55 PM
HSU in the final 8 is great!

(Note: The announcers stated that this was the third time for HSU to advance to the Elite Eight.)

Very good indeed!  It will be interesting to see how the final "Top Twenty-five" voting goes.  All three ASC "Texas Teams" should be up there...and one can only believe that either of the others could be where HSU is now!

Go ASC!!!

And Good Luck tonight, Cowgirls!  Play tough!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 02:34:49 PM
Quote from: dsc on March 11, 2006, 01:14:55 PMIt will be interesting to see how the final "Top Twenty-five" voting goes.  All three ASC "Texas Teams" should be up there...and one can only believe that either of the others could be where HSU is now!

I completely agree!  Either McM or HPU would have represented the ASC well.  We had a strong conference this year and the polls should show it.  The performance of the Cowgirls is the best thing that could happen to the ASC for national recognition.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 09:55:58 PM
Okay, Paint or Calhsu or dsc or anyone else who has lurked on this board for the past season without contributing,

The HSU server is filled up!  I am unable to get on! :-\

We need someone to post the updated scores!

Thanks! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:22:39 PM
HSU 17 RMC 14 9 mins to go in the 1st half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:25:52 PM
HSU 24 RMC 14 7mins to go in the 1st
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:30:51 PM
HSU 26 RMC 18  5 mins to go

Silva has 13 points for RMC
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:33:00 PM
HSU 29 RMC 20  3:25 left in the 1st.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:36:51 PM
HSU 31 RMC 20 2:51 left in the half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:38:06 PM
HSU 36 RMC 20 1:30 to go in the half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 10:38:55 PM
They may just push hard on Silva, let her get the big numbers but shut everyone else down.  Silva will then have to carry even more of the load.

Thanks, dballa, friend!

The RMC fans are wondering what is happening...sounds like another ASC-West game to me!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:39:36 PM
HSU 36 RMC 22  :51 lefti n the half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:41:32 PM
HSU 36 RMC 26  Halftime

HSU is shooting the ball very well and playing great defense.

I think it helps they are playing a team called the Yellow Jackets :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 10:44:50 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:41:32 PM
HSU 36 RMC 26  Halftime

HSU is shooting the ball very well and playing great defense.

I think it helps they are playing a team called the Yellow Jackets :)

Yellow Jackets?  That response is virtually Pavlovian!  :D :D :D :D :D

+1 dballa! :D :D :D :D ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 10:47:04 PM
Thanks for the updates, DBalla!  I'm following through you!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 10:48:34 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:41:32 PM
I think it helps they are playing a team called the Yellow Jackets :)

Priceless!  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:49:50 PM
RMC's big 6'3 post player Orton had 2 fouls early and didn't play much at all through most of the first half.

Silva had 13 pts early and was 4-4 but missed her last 6 shots.

I have a feeling she might get hot in the 2nd half but HSU is playing great defense on her.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:59:38 PM
HSU 39 RMC 32 about 18 mins left in the game



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:00:51 PM
HSU 41 RMC 32  17:44 left in the game

RMC went on a 12-0 run to end the half and start the 2nd before HSU built the lead back up to 9.

HSU 41 RMC 34 17:30 to go in teh game
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:02:37 PM
HSU 41 RMC 36

West hasn't made a FG the whole game and only has 2 points from the free throw line.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:04:03 PM
HSU 41 RMC 38  15 mins to go

Orton the 6'3 girl for RMC is having her way inside.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:05:30 PM
Sonya needs to neutralize Orton!  That is the key for HSU!

Silva can be handled by committee, but I think that Sonya is the player who must neutralize Orton! :-\

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:05:57 PM
HSU 41 RMC 42  14:01 left

RMC is on a 22-5 run since about a min left in the 1st half.  HSU can't hit a shot now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:06:13 PM
I wish we could see Tarra Richardson vs Orton!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:10:52 PM
HSU 46 RMC 42 

Cisneroz is shooting lights out tonight.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:12:44 PM
HSU 46 RMC 44 

West has 11 rebounds and only 4 pts all on free throws.  Contribute what you can when your shots aren't falling.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:13:54 PM
HSU 48 RMC 44 10 mins to go.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:16:00 PM
Then she is!  C'mon Sonya and Cowgirls!

Win one for us forgotten souls in the ASC! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:16:41 PM
HSU 48 RMC 44  about 9 mins to go I think.

RMC two 6'3" girls have 3 fouls

West still can't hit a shot.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:18:41 PM
HSU 48 RMC 44 still

Orton now has 4 fouls.  thats huge since she has 12 pts in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:19:52 PM
now the other 6'3" girl has 4 fouls.  West picked up the charge on Orton and then the other girl fouled her in the paint on the other end.

West has 14 rbs now.  Now 6 pts all on free throws.

HSU 50 RMC 44 8:10 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:21:10 PM
HSU 52 RMC 45  7 mins left

West finally hit her first FG of the game
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:21:44 PM
Finally got the feed via the HSU web site.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:21:54 PM
HSU 54 RMC 47 6:30 left

West hits another one
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:22:49 PM
HSU 54 RMC 47 6:20 to go RMC timeout.

good time for West to start getting hot.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:23:30 PM
HSU is playing well but this Randolph Macon team is explosive!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:25:17 PM
HSU 56 RMC 47  6 mins to go.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:25:33 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:21:44 PM
Finally got the feed via the HSU web site.  :)

When a RMC fan fell off the server, I commented on the ODAC board that either a HSU trustee or the President of the Baptist General Convention of Texas had intervened.

You Hardened-sinners are tough! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:26:14 PM
HSU 59 RMC 49  5:10 left  

Cisneroz hits another 3 pointer
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:27:01 PM
HSU 61 RMC 51  4:25  left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:27:32 PM
HSU 63 RMC 51  3:45 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:27:52 PM
"The Cowgirls can smell it?"  Please, no jinxes!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:28:24 PM
HSU 63 RMC 53 3:18 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:29:15 PM
Go Sonja West.  Obviously playing very tough tonight!  11 in the second half after just a few in the first.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:29:20 PM
HSU 65 RMC 53

West has 12 pts in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:30:03 PM
HSU 67 RMC 55 2:20 to go.


Sorry paint I wrote that after you did about West's points :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:30:13 PM
12 points with 2.5 minutes to play.  Man, this is exciting.  The first game I have listened to this season on the net.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:31:31 PM
HSU 67 RMC 55  1:45 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:31:52 PM
HSU 67 RMC 56 1:40 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:31:59 PM
Keep it coming, guys!

Go Cowgirls!

Beat RMC
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:32:08 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:30:03 PM
Sorry paint I wrote that after you did about West's points :)

Not a problem, DB!  Things are looking and sounding good for the ASC and HSU!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:32:58 PM
Technical foul!  Things are falling apart for RMC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:33:01 PM
HSU 68 RMC 56  1:13 left


Silva is trying too hard now to score and RMC's head coach just got a Technical Foul.  Frustration has set in for them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:34:34 PM
I just asked my wife if she would like to take a trip back east, on a whim, for the FINAL FOUR!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:35:49 PM
HSU 68 RMC 56  :59 left

Foul Fest 06 begins.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:36:51 PM
The announcers get a HUGE tip of my hat!  They did a great job calling this game.  I regret not listening to more games throughout the season!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:37:04 PM
Paint, would you regret it, if this were the only time HSU ever went?

You could show your children the birthplace of Basketball and the Hall of Fame.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:37:09 PM
HSU 70 RMC 56  :48 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:38:28 PM
HSU 72 RMC 56 FINAL!!!!!

Way to go Cowgirls 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:40:05 PM
Amazing!  72-56 Cowgirl victory!  This from a team that was knocked out of the conference tournament in the first game! 

I agree with the earlier post, that it could have been any of three ASC West teams taking us deep into the playoffs.  What a season!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 11, 2006, 11:41:00 PM
Final  Four!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's great to be a HSU Cowgirl Fan! ;D

72-56........................Rope 'em Cowgirls.

They have to play SouMaine...ugh!  But who knows!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:41:29 PM
Also congrats to Coach Briggs on her 100th victory.  what a way to get it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:41:52 PM
Way to go,
Cowgirls!

Sorry, my voice gave out.
:D

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 11, 2006, 11:44:17 PM
The ASC is really looking good now!  So happy!!!

Megan Silva lived up to her Josten Winner title, but could not do it alone!

They're cutting the net down in Tacoma!

Coach Shanna Briggs gets her 100th win...in four years!  Wow!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:45:12 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:37:04 PM
Paint, would you regret it, if this were the only time HSU ever went?

You could show your children the birthplace of Basketball and the Hall of Fame.

Ralph, I have been watching HSU women's basketball for about 10 years, a real newcomer to the ASC when compared to some of you!  I have come to appreciate just what it takes to go deep into the playoffs.  It is a HUGE accomplishment, as we all know, to get to the Final Four!  

I have cheered teams that I thought were incredible and saw them beaten in the Sweet 16 round.  To see a team that ended the season like they did, to get into the tournament by an invitation, and then to head to a place no HSU team, no ASC team. has ever been is absolutely amazing!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:46:38 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:40:05 PM
Amazing!  72-56 Cowgirl victory!  This from a team that was knocked out of the conference tournament in the first game! 

I agree with the earlier post, that it could have been any of three ASC West teams taking us deep into the playoffs.  What a season!

Paint, ETBU was a good team!  The long bus ride back told the Cowgirls that they would have to change and to re-assess what it would take without Sarah Hauk.  They had a long week to work on these things, mostly mental and they did what they needed to do.

I just wish that one of the 3 teams could have been sent to another bracket as Bridgewater and RMC were separated! :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 11, 2006, 11:47:18 PM
Wish I had done and said that Ralph!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry about not posting the scores...but I was listening to the game and just figured everyone else was also.

The games were so different.  Not the emotion in tonight's game like last night!  The crowd (or lack thereof) really makes a difference!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:47:25 PM
HSU has been blessed with tremendous leadership in their head coaches.  Coach Briggs has surpassed her mentor, Coach Goodenough!  What a legacy!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:50:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:46:38 PM
Paint, ETBU was a good team!  The long bus ride back told the Cowgirls that they would have to change and to re-assess what it would take without Sarah Hauk.  They had a long week to work on these things, mostly mental and they did what they needed to do.

They certainly showed us all that they were a far better team than they appeard to be in Clinton! 

Who beat ETBU?  To listen to tonight's game knowing that you beat the team that knocked the Cowgirls out of the ASC tournament must be a bitter-sweet experience!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:52:37 PM
It's been a great evening, friends!  Heading to bed to get ready for a big day tomorrow!  It will be a llloooooonnnnnngggggg week waiting for the last tournament of the season!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:54:25 PM
Who knocked ETBU out of the Tourney?  McMurry, 75-67!

Quote from: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:47:25 PM
HSU has been blessed with tremendous leadership in their head coaches.  Coach Briggs has surpassed her mentor, Coach Goodenough!  What a legacy!

And the ASC-West in 2006 is much harder than anything that Coach Goodenough had to deal with.

The only real challenge that the Goodenough teams faced was the 2000 McMurry team!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 12:01:03 AM
Final Four Poll on the Women's Multi-region message board!

Vote early!  Vote often!  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 12, 2006, 12:04:25 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:54:25 PM
Who knocked ETBU out of the Tourney?  McMurry, 75-67!

The only real challenge that the Goodenough teams faced was the 2000 McMurry team!

I knew that, Ralph!  My point was that the conference is about as level this season as it ever has been and may be ever!  At least among three teams in the ASC West!

True about Coach Goodenough!  She had an amazing career at HSU and she was and is a tremendous individual as well as a terrific coach.  However, Coach Briggs has passed her by with this 100th victory in 4 seasons and the school's first ever trip to the Final Four!  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 12, 2006, 12:16:38 AM
I have gone all day doing a basketball tournament for 5th and 6th grade kids.  As soon as I cam home I checked!!!!!!!!I am complete amazement.   I have a feeling so is the rest of the country.   The other teams that came to Tacoma I think were counting chickens before they got on the court.  This reminds me so much of when  Trinity won their championship.  They came to the regional and no one was paying attention to them.   They too beat a Josten winner.  They had also lost several games but peaked at the tournament.

It is not just that they won,  but they did it so convincingly.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on March 12, 2006, 01:07:22 AM
congrats to hsu

Part of the reason for etbu being so up and down is youth.  Most of the players are freshman and sophs.  Look out in the coming years. 

HSU good luck...man that is hard for me to say
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 01:15:43 AM
Quote from: etbualum on March 12, 2006, 01:07:22 AM


HSU good luck...man that is hard for me to say

and me, and probably jungle, finnman, fanstand and dballa! :-\
Maybe millie and srslobos, too.
McMfan is a gentleman and a scholar, so he can intellectualize any angst.

Hey, it's ASC, tho'!

Travel safely, Cowgirl fans!  Carry the ASC banner proudly! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 12, 2006, 07:45:42 AM
Yes,  it IS difficult to understand, but...

If anyone has the time, there is some interesting reading on the ODAC board...starting with the postings BEFORE the game...then during and after.  Ralph, thanks for keeping them "calm."  Appreciate that!

Love those Cowgirls.  They only lose Sonya West for next year...so we should have another exciting year in the ASC.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on March 12, 2006, 10:00:17 AM
Way to go Coach Briggs and HSU!!

What does that say about the ASC West!!!!!  What a conference

Take the top 4 West teams next year and put them in the National tournament, (in different areas) and let them battle it out in the final 4 ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 12, 2006, 11:36:56 AM
Quote from: dsc on March 11, 2006, 11:47:18 PM

The games were so different.  Not the emotion in tonight's game like last night!  The crowd (or lack thereof) really makes a difference!

Attendance was 147 ??? >:(
Guess not much draw in Washington for a Texas-Virginia game.
Couldn't sectional inclusion criteria be improved?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 12, 2006, 11:46:24 AM
Quote from: calhsu on March 12, 2006, 12:16:38 AM

It is not just that they won,  but they did it so convincingly.

I think HSU caught RMU on a very flat night where they couldn't hit the proverbial broad side of a barn. RMC shot 32% from the floor vs. their 47 % average, and only 10% on their 3s !!!
And the big girl sitting on the bench for 20 minutes was a
huge factor.
Must have cast a Hardened Sinners  prayer mist over the arena. ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 12, 2006, 11:50:47 AM
Quote from: GAVA on March 12, 2006, 11:36:56 AM

Attendance was 147 ??? >:(
Guess not much draw in Washington for a Texas-Virginia game.
Couldn't sectional inclusion criteria be improved?

We draw more at our girls' middle school games.  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 12, 2006, 12:13:09 PM
"Silva must have had all her points in the first half; saw her make, possibly, 3 in the second. Couldn't hit the basket with a funnel. H-S looked like Friday night's R-M and R-M looked like Friday night's Stout. Of course, that was second half. Didn't see the first.

I see the sun; it's hazy, but I'm sure that's what it is.  "

----

Above post from a Wis-Stout fan who stayed around to watch last night's game ( some of the 147 were just hanging out ). Loved the comment at the end about the Tacoma weather. ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 12:34:56 PM
Quote from: dsc on March 12, 2006, 07:45:42 AM
... Cowgirls...only lose Sonya West for next year...so we should have another exciting year in the ASC.

McMurry only loses 4-yr letter winners Carli Engelke and Jennifer Finstad.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 01:14:50 PM
Quote from: GAVA on March 12, 2006, 11:50:47 AM
Quote from: GAVA on March 12, 2006, 11:36:56 AM

Attendance was 147 ??? >:(
Guess not much draw in Washington for a Texas-Virginia game.
Couldn't sectional inclusion criteria be improved?

We draw more at our girls' middle school games.  ;D

The "neutral court" aspect does give a "level playing field".  I don't mind the paltry attendance figures.  RMC would not have wanted to face Stout or HSU in their own gyms.

Women's Basketball in West Texas is serious business.  Coach Bobby Knight's Texas Tech Red Raider Basketball men average 6700 fans per game; Coach Marsha Sharp's Lady Raiders average 12,000 fans per game.

On the  RMC (http://www.rmc.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/BBstats/2006/teamcume.htm) web site, I see that the Jackets played to one crowd of 1000.

Life in the ASC-West is much different.  Hardin-Simmons, McMurry and Howard Payne play before thousands of fans several times in the season.  HSU played before thousands of fans 4 times in the regular season, and then the playoff crowds are noted.  (The HPU board sites the attendance at the HSU-HPU game in Brownwood as 1371.)

http://hsuathletics.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/stats/2005-2006/teamcume.html

You can say that D3 attendance estimates are bogus.  Pat Coleman saw the January 2005 McMurry-HSU game.   Here is the photo gallery that shows 2000 screaming fans at a McMUrry-HSU game.

http://www.d3hoops.com/gallery.php?gallery=36835

West Texas is truly one of the hotbeds of Women's Basketball.

RMC is probably fortunate that they caught HSU in Tacoma!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 12, 2006, 01:27:28 PM
Quote from: GAVA on March 12, 2006, 11:36:56 AM
[Attendance was 147 ??? >:(
Guess not much draw in Washington for a Texas-Virginia game.
Couldn't sectional inclusion criteria be improved?

147?!?!? There were more at the Upwards Basketball game at First Baptist Church in Anytown, Texas than that! 

I don't know how many people I would expect under similar circumstances here in Texas but I would think that hosting a tournament like that would draw some of the community! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 12, 2006, 02:09:20 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 01:14:50 PM

  I don't mind the paltry attendance figures. 



I would think the NCAA would be embarrassed.  :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 12, 2006, 02:23:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 01:14:50 PM
RMC[/url] web site, I see that the Jackets played to one crowd of 1000.

Life in the ASC-West is much different.  Hardin-Simmons, McMurry and Howard Payne play before thousands of fans several times in the season. 

I don't know which game that was. Maybe a regular season game on a snowy night?
RMC also has to compete in a market with 2 D I schools.
I was at the Regionals and the gym was full.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 02:57:26 PM
Schadenfreude  (shah'  den froi' duh)  "glee in the misfortune of others"

The other day, my devotional lesson dealt with the "commandment" -- Thou shalt not commit schadenfreude.  ;)

The serious fans on this message board began dealing with this when we realized that it was HSU and not our respective alma maters would be the first school to make the Final Four.

Schadenfreude's co-conspirator is "in-your-face-fandom" type of bad sportsmanship.  Sportmanship means you don't smash your opponents' face in the result of a game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on March 12, 2006, 03:13:36 PM
H-SU carries ASC banner for all of us.  There is no greater respect than between teams who have met on the field and gave it their best on a given night.

All of us in the ASC, East or West, want the Cowgirls to do well.  Win it ALL!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 05:59:07 PM
Okay, now I am really mad! >:( >:(

I have 84 points in the Women's Pick'em contest for 22nd place out of 340.  I had McMurry to win it all.  So far, HSU has knocked me out of being in 2nd place with 99 points.

It will take an incredible amount of sportmanship on my part considering what HSU has done to me, but I must remember my devotional...Thou shalt not commit Schadenfreude.

:D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 12, 2006, 06:00:42 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 02:57:26 PM
Schadenfreude  (shah'  den froi' duh)  "glee in the misfortune of others"

The other day, my devotional lesson dealt with the "commandment" -- Thou shalt not commit schadenfreude.  ;)

The serious fans on this message board began dealing with this when we realized that it was HSU and not our respective alma maters would be the first school to make the Final Four.

Schadenfreude's co-conspirator is "in-your-face-fandom" type of bad sportsmanship.  Sportmanship means you don't smash your opponents' face in the result of a game.


Excellent advise, Ralph, but what prompted this?  I have seen nothing but cross-conference support.  As many have said, this is a very good thing for the ASC as a whole.  This tells the world that the ASC can be a formidable foe.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 06:03:43 PM
Paint,  Pre-emptive...for the lurkers! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 12, 2006, 06:16:46 PM
Coulda, shoulda, woulda. I'm still sulking. I think any of our three teams would have faired well, but HSU got it done when they needed to. And you know Sonya still has a year of eligibility left, I know of two of the HSU players getting married this summer I think, wouldn't be setting up next year's team yet, and who will stay and who will go is a question not answered until the bell rings for school next year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 12, 2006, 07:14:54 PM
Of course you are absolutely right, fanstand!

But "insiders" say Sonya West will graduate in December...

But many things can happen between now and then...to any team!  Look at the injuries to HSU's QB's last year in football. :'(

etc., etc., etc.,

But hey, maybe it will help in recruiting...the HSU Cowgirls are getting some great experience in "away" games...and exposure in the press, etc... ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 12, 2006, 07:18:41 PM
An interesting comment from Shanna Briggs closes the article on yesterday night's game in today's Abilene Reporter-News at
http://reporternews.com/abil/sports/0,1874,ABIL_8049,00.html
"When you think your season is over, you tend to become brutally honest," she is quoted as saying.  "And that actually might have been the best thing for us."  I don't know what that means, but I suspect what happened was a mark of the leadership ability that has characterized Briggs' tenure at HSU.  Irrespective of the issue of Schadenfreude which Ralph has raised, there is no doubt in my mind that she has done a great job leading her team and capitalizing on opportunities.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 12, 2006, 07:42:12 PM
Well said mcmfan, I believe as you do, that Coach Briggs really got the maximum effort from her players these last couple weeks. I hope all our players from this year return and that next year we are able to have good recruits and get the maximum from our players, because I truly believe in these ladies and think that they would also be able to achieve Final Four status. I know the talent is there at McM, the ASC was very strong this year, and will continue to be next year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on March 12, 2006, 09:46:22 PM
Congrats to the HSU Cowgirls!  Way to go and good luck against USM!

I'm looking forward to Springfield this coming weekend.  If you're coming, please say "Hi"--I'll be under the baskets shooting pictures for this site.  And, please remember to check out the images on the d3hoops.com website after the games!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 12, 2006, 11:35:49 PM
Congrats to the Cowgirls and good luck. I'm glad we have an ASC team representing in the Final Four. Maybe now the ASC will get some much deserved respect.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 12, 2006, 11:37:12 PM
There is absolutely no question that Coach Briggs figured out how to get the most out of her team when it mattered most.  I have asked more than one time this season if coaching made the difference in some of the close games between the conference leaders.  The answer each time I asked was pretty direct - coaching was not the difference.  ???

It would seem that coaching is a real strength for HSU.  It is the complete picture?  Absolutely not.  It is, however, a major, maybe THE major, reason why the Cowgirls are playing in the first-ever ASC Final Four appearance.  Coach Briggs is getting some valuable experience.  She and the HSU Cowgirls will only improve as the result.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 12, 2006, 11:38:44 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 06:03:43 PM
Paint,  Pre-emptive...for the lurkers! ;)

Gotcha, Ralph!  We'll see what develops!  :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2006, 04:09:44 AM
Quote from: GAVA on March 12, 2006, 11:36:56 AM
Quote from: dsc on March 11, 2006, 11:47:18 PM

The games were so different.  Not the emotion in tonight's game like last night!  The crowd (or lack thereof) really makes a difference!

Attendance was 147 ??? >:(
Guess not much draw in Washington for a Texas-Virginia game.
Couldn't sectional inclusion criteria be improved?

Where would you have played this game? St. Louis? What's the central location for those four teams?

Would you put both teams in a plane Friday night and played this game on one of the remaining two campuses?

Or are you just upset that Macon didn't get home court two years in a row??
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2006, 06:42:46 AM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 12, 2006, 11:37:12 PM
There is absolutely no question that Coach Briggs figured out how to get the most out of her team when it mattered most.  I have asked more than one time this season if coaching made the difference in some of the close games between the conference leaders.  The answer each time I asked was pretty direct - coaching was not the difference.  ???

It would seem that coaching is a real strength for HSU.  It is the complete picture?  Absolutely not.  It is, however, a major, maybe THE major, reason why the Cowgirls are playing in the first-ever ASC Final Four appearance.  Coach Briggs is getting some valuable experience.  She and the HSU Cowgirls will only improve as the result.

Paint, I must respectfully disagree.

I believe that it is the competition and the expanded Pool C.  The ASC-West is no longer the Cowgirls and the seven dwarves.  The Selection Committee had to believe that the ASC was so strong that the conference deserved 2 Pool C bids, the second going to HSU.  By my assessment, HSU was about #17 or #18 among the 21 Pool C's chosen.  For McMurry and HPU, it is like a bad 1950's Zombie movie.  How many times do you have to defeat HSU to knock them out of the playoffs? :-\ ::) :D :-\

I hope that the Selection Committee persists in its appreciation for Southern basketball.  The South Region got 5 Pool C bids (HPU, HSU, Trinity, Oglethorpe and Bridgewater) and  a Pool B (Maryville TN).

The 2nd Regional Ranking on Feb 15th showed 4 ASC schools (including Miss Coll)!  (If there was ever a reason to consider splitting the conference, the ASC-East has never sent a team to the Playoffs in the 7 years of the Pools system!)

Trinity, the 2003 Champion, which had stayed home in 2005 due to a shortage of Pool C bids, also benefited from the expanded Pool C and was quickly dispatched by the ASC's other Pool C team, HPU, on a neutral floor.

The ASC-West is very tough, and we have not even mentioned UMHB!  This should be interesting in 2006-07!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 13, 2006, 06:43:56 AM
Pat, you're jumping all over me and I'm not even complaining! ::)   HSU won!!!  If they had played ANYWHERE else, they might have lost.  :-\  (How can anyone complain when their team is in the Final Four?

Maybe your comments were directed to RMC, but you used a quote by me. I simply made a factual statement (IMHO) that the PLU home crowd made for a very emotional, exciting game for HSU's Cowgirls...on Friday night.  It was one of the best types of game one could hope to listen to.  (Some of the players have even said that the crowd (noise) really gets them "going!")

Believe me, I'm happy that only 147 fans were there...certainly made a "level court" for both teams. ;D  And since they were already there...stay there, it is ridiculous to suggest anything else!

And for HSU to be playing McMurry/HPU @ McMurry (in the first weekend) is practically a "home game"...and the very deserving trip for the Cowgirls is a plus...something I'm sure the team will remember.

No, I'm not complaining...nor or other ASC fans.  (Other than it would have been nice for at least one of the "Texas teams" to have been in another geographical bracket, but how many times do we have to have that explained, so I certainly understand the $$$ situation.)

To answer your question from my (HSU) perspective, the game was played in the right location...home court of the highest seeded team, right?

Thanks for all the coverage of the playoffs.

dsc
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 13, 2006, 06:49:32 AM
[quote author=Pat Coleman

Where would you have played this game? St. Louis? What's the central location for those four teams?


Or are you just upset that Macon didn't get home court two years in a row??
Quote

No, RMC had it last year. My question was: is there not a way to plan ahead so that 4 teams from such dispersed locations are in the same sectional?

The regional at RMC was well attended by fans that drove in from Maryland and NC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 13, 2006, 06:51:17 AM
[quote author=Ralph Turner link=topic=1526.

  How many times do you have to defeat HSU to knock them out of the playoffs? :-\ ::) :D :-\

.................................................................

Ralph, how about two out of three? ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2006, 06:59:23 AM
Like the bad zombie movie, I was thinking that --

--McMurry, as the ASC-West division champion, didn't knock them out.

--The losses to HPU and to UMHB, which knocked them to 3rd in the ASC-West didn't.  (Remember that this is only the 2nd year that the #3 team in the divisions has gone to the expanded ASC Tourney!)

--The loss to ETBU in the first round didn't knock them out!

By the NCAA giving them a "home game" in the McMurry gym to assure a good crowd on Saturday night, the Cowgirls got favorable seeding, not bad for the #18 Pool C bid. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2006, 07:03:39 AM
Quote from: GAVA on March 13, 2006, 06:49:32 AM
[quote author=Pat Coleman

Where would you have played this game? St. Louis? What's the central location for those four teams?


Or are you just upset that Macon didn't get home court two years in a row??
Quote

No, RMC had it last year. My question was: is there not a way to plan ahead so that 4 teams from such dispersed locations are in the same sectional?

The regional at RMC was well attended by fans that drove in from Maryland and NC.

GAVA, the Championship Handbook does designate the location of the hosting for the Sectional.  Next year, we, the South Region, will be paired with the Great Lakes Region in the Sectionals.

As for hosting, the hosting rotates between Regions.

In 2003, HSU (South Region) hosted, paired with the Central Region.
In 2004, UW-SP (Central Region) hosted, paired with the South.
In 2005, RMC, paired wiht the West.
In 2006, PLU, paired with the South.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 13, 2006, 07:07:03 AM
Yes, not bad at all!  (I understand your frustration.)

However, HSU's success out west justifies their Pool C selection...IMHO.

Good Luck to the Cowgirls on Friday/Saturday!  Those other teams look "tough."

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 13, 2006, 07:48:00 AM
At the risk of falling into Ralph's Schadenfreude syndrome, it might be noted that in 2005, HSU went 19-3, won the Western Division, and was eliminated in the second round of the ASC tournament.  In 2006, HSU went 18-4, did not win the West, and was eliminated in the first round of the tournament.  Yet in 2006, unlike 2005, HSU got a bid to the playoffs.  Is this just a result of this year's expanded post season pool, or is HSU the zombie Ralph says it is?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 13, 2006, 09:33:02 AM
I have said this repeatedly...the NCAA needed one more team to complete the "foursome" at the site of the Conference Champion...McM LIB.

Why not choose a team that is <5> miles away?  :D

Now don't think I am complaining...just an observation.

Many think last year's HSU team deserved an invitation...your point is well taken, mcmfan, about this year...I must admit.

Does anyone else think that maybe the ASC tournament should be limited to the top two teams from East/West?  Someone made the point that McM/HPU had played three games...wearing them down.  HSU was "one and out" (some say "dead"), but it did give them a chance to rest up before the Sub-sectional at McM.  Just a thought... ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 13, 2006, 09:59:11 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2006, 06:42:46 AM
Paint, I must respectfully disagree.

I appreciate the "respect."  We may be treading on pioneer territory here!  :D

From my perspective HSU was toast before the trip to Mississippi.  The way they ended the season with losses to HPU and UMHB was completely unexpected.  Then in Clinton they get spanked by ETBU in the first round. 

Something very significant happened between Clinton and the McM gym.  I would propose that "something" falls squarely at the feet of Coach Briggs.  Had their season ended with a single loss to ETBU I could possibly agree that the Final Four appearance is all part of the expanded Pool C bids.  However, the other losses tell me something was whacked out with the team, something that was identified and corrected by the head coach.  They entered the McM gym as a transformed team.

Yes, the opportunity to shoot for the Final Four is the result of an expanded Pool C bid system.  However, the victories from HPU, McM and everyone else through the Elite Eight is the result of exceptional coaching!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 13, 2006, 10:52:44 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 13, 2006, 07:48:00 AM
At the risk of falling into Ralph's Schadenfreude syndrome, it might be noted that in 2005, HSU went 19-3, won the Western Division, and was eliminated in the second round of the ASC tournament.  In 2006, HSU went 18-4, did not win the West, and was eliminated in the first round of the tournament.  Yet in 2006, unlike 2005, HSU got a bid to the playoffs.  Is this just a result of this year's expanded post season pool, or is HSU the zombie Ralph says it is?

Yes, when you invite basically half again as many teams to the playoffs you get many more Pool C bids.  Trinity went 24-3 the year after winning it all and did not get a bid, this year's team with 2x as many losses did. 

Congrats to HSU and good luck in the Final Four!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2006, 10:53:37 AM
Quote from: dsc on March 13, 2006, 09:33:02 AM
I have said this repeatedly...the NCAA needed one more team to complete the "foursome" at the site of the Conference Champion...McM LIB.

(a) Why not choose a team that is <5> miles away?  :D

Now don't think I am complaining...just an observation.

Many think last year's HSU team deserved an invitation...your point is well taken, mcmfan, about this year...I must admit.

(b) Does anyone else think that maybe the ASC tournament should be limited to the top two teams from East/West?  Someone made the point that McM/HPU had played three games...wearing them down.  HSU was "one and out" (some say "dead"), but it did give them a chance to rest up before the Sub-sectional at McM.  Just a thought... ???

Two answers to the two questons:

(a) On the Pool C board, I outline the QOWI that the committee used after the ASC Tourney (and all tourneys).  TU has a worse QOWI than HSU.  On the 3rd Regional rankings, HSU is ranked and TU is not.  I think that HSU may be #17 or #18 and TU is #20 or #21.

(b) If we wish to pare this to a 2-night tourney, why not split the conference in half?  There is something to be said for 6-7 teams contending for the 3rd and 4th tourney slots going into the last weekend of the season.

Finally to respond to paint, I like your assessment of Coach Briggs' coaching job since the ETBU loss.

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity!

If the Zombie analogy motivates the Cowgirls, I will waive any copyright provisions. ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2006, 10:55:48 AM
Good morning, Ron!

With the extra Pool C bids, I can see the ASC and SCAC getting 1-2 Pool C bids every year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 13, 2006, 11:01:17 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2006, 10:55:48 AM
Good morning, Ron!

With the extra Pool C bids, I can see the ASC and SCAC getting 1-2 Pool C bids every year.

And, unfortunately, along with the resulting Texas subregional that will eliminate all but the strongest.  Southwestern will get into the mix in the next year or two ... Coach Ruder is too strong for that program to be down for long. 

Such is life in D3 ... if the eventual winner goes as far as HSU this year, I guess that's OK. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on March 13, 2006, 11:07:57 AM
Just to lighten things up...

Forget DIII--is there a better name than TonTon Balenga in all of college sports?   This, of course, with all due respect to Pops Mensah Bonsu and Luc Richard Mbah a Moute!   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on March 13, 2006, 11:30:17 AM
I need help...I'm trying to organize a trip to the Final Four this weekend.  Where should we fly into?  Looks like there's no airport in Springfield.

Help!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 13, 2006, 12:13:59 PM
Quote from: thejungle on March 13, 2006, 11:30:17 AM
I need help...I'm trying to organize a trip to the Final Four this weekend.  Where should we fly into?  Looks like there's no airport in Springfield.

Help!

The host website might help:

http://www.springfieldcollege.edu/ncaa/championship.nsf/index

as well as the local tourism site:

http://www.valleyvisitor.com/

Not like this is a very big area.  How about flying into Providence RI where Southwest flies?  85 miles away.   Hartford, CT is even closer, 30 miles (and SW flies there, too).  Boston is 90 miles but I hate driving through downtown Boston. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on March 13, 2006, 12:51:59 PM
I was going to suggest Hartford--that's the closest and most convenient. 

Stay out of Boston Logan at all costs. 

Worcester would be better than Providence--can't get there from here sort of thing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on March 13, 2006, 01:17:03 PM
Thanks to both of you!  You've been a lot of help.  Gonna fly into Hartford.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2006, 01:21:32 PM
There's a big huge box on the front page with flight info. One for Salem (fly to ROA) and one for Springfield (fly to BDL).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 13, 2006, 09:27:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner uote


GAVA, the Championship Handbook does designate the location of the hosting for the Sectional.  Next year, we, the South Region, will be paired with the Great Lakes Region in the Sectionals.

As for hosting, the hosting rotates between Regions.

In 2003, HSU (South Region) hosted, paired with the Central Region.
In 2004, UW-SP (Central Region) hosted, paired with the South.
In 2005, RMC, paired wiht the West.
In 2006, PLU, paired with the South.  :)
Quote

Thanks for the info Ralph. So it sounds like it will be years before we are paired with the West again. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 15, 2006, 12:38:14 AM
Just saw the All-region list. I'm happy that Tarra was on the first team, but no where is Symbri Tuttle. That is wrong. She leads the DIII nation in assists (8.1 per game) that is at least 16 pts per game, and no mention of her. We won the west outright and the conference championship, but that won't be what we hear about. Guess just fuel for the fire. Oh well.....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 15, 2006, 11:04:23 AM
Fan,  got the cheese and bread for all that whine.


Get Over it.  No one gets two people on the first team.   You are talking about the best in the country.  One stat doesn't make it.      And I did hear that little complaint.    "We won the  conference  but all we are going to hear is about HSU going to the final four."     Maybe now you will understand the intensity of the pressure that HSU went through in winning all those championships and going on in the big dance.   It is hard enough to win the west, then you the playoffs.  You won that,  MCM will have that written into their records for all time.  Enjoy it.   But  HSU went 2-1 against MCM and HPU for the year.   That is why they got to go to Washington and do something that no ASC team had ever done.  Over the years  since the Texas teams went DIII the school always fought hard in league,  but when the rep was selected they closed ranks.  Last year you didn't hear the cowgirl fans disrespecting HPU.   In fact when MCM won the ASC no one had anything but respect for the deserving champ.    But the season wasn't over.   Let us enjoy what HSU has earned.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 15, 2006, 11:28:42 AM
You know cal, I didn't say she deserved first team, but no mention....I haven't said anything against HSU and their accomplishments. I have not made excuses or blamed anyone but ourselves. McM had 3 and only 3 losses this year, twice to HSU, once to HPU by 1 point. We also had a great season, but you don't live in this place.  McM will not get the recognition around here, in the paper or on the tube for the next year. I read the paper and watch the news, that's not your fault you don't see and hear. Give it to HSU, they made it. I have been relatively quiet about our loss after the tourney, no excuses, but one thing remains with me. I made the trip to Mississippi. I watched all the games. HSU lost on Friday, they are home Saturday, sleeping in their own beds, we are playing two more games, then traveling late Sunday and not arriving home until late Monday afternoon. Its a long trip, it took me two days to recover and I didn't play any basketball, yes I'm old, but still it's hard to come back. So HSU had the advantage, I've given their coach props, so it's no excuse, but our team had an exceptional year also. When someone like Symbri is as consistent all year, every game, and broke all kinds of records, I don't see why she was not on the list, not 1st, 2nd or even 3rd. I'll take your cheese and bread and toast my team anyway!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsufan on March 15, 2006, 12:09:11 PM
McM had a great year.  They won the West title.  They had the best record in McM history.  They were the team to beat for most of the games played.  That is a terrific accomplishment.  And no one can take that away from them.  However, HSU has done something no other ASC team has.  They may have gotten in by the back door but they have proved they SHOULD be in the running.  The girls did think their season was over in Mississippi and did a lot of soulsearching.  When Hauk went down, she was the team's leader.  Two days later, the team gets the news that Conaway's sister was killed.  These girls are a very caring bunch and it was kinda like they were shell shocked for the next few games.  According to the weekly press release, no one was READY to step into Hauk's shoes.  When the powers that be decided to give HSU an at-large bid, all the girls had something to prove.  Mentally, they were changed.  Cisneros has had a terrific tournament.  And, fanstand, I do know how it is in Abilene.  HSU does get a lot of press coverage and the press didn't mind sharing the losses either.  There is a lot of competition for air time/print coverage when you have 3 colleges within a 10 mile radius.  Since you were in Mississippi, did you see the McM girls STANDING AND CHEERING for ETBU when they beat HSU???  Or after the sub-sectional game, Coach Nichols heading to the locker room without shaking the HSU girls hands?
On another note, sometimes they give awards that don't make sense.  Danielle Furr (from SulRoss) got the ASC defensive player of the year award. Hauk had more steals and assists in less games than she did but Furr scores more points. The coaches or whoever votes for these awards don't take into account things that aren't in the stat book -- like leadership, hustle, or shutting down an opponents top player. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 15, 2006, 02:40:58 PM
Thanks hsufan, not only for what you said, but how you said it. Yes, I did see the girls cheering for ETBU, I know HSU players would be cheering for them (ETBU) too. I believe that is part of the rivalry, they didn't want to face each other, I believe that to be part of the competitiveness. I try not to cheer for or against another team, unless we are actually playing them. I sit and watch and not cheer either way. I did not see what Coach Nichols did after the game, sorry, so I can't really comment on that, he was probably pretty emotional but that wouldn't be an excuse for that. I think we all do things in the heat of the moment. No matter what happens this weekend, I know next year will be as intense in the ASC, West and East, and hopefully, finally we have come to be a force to be reckoned with nationally, not only from one team but 3 or 4 teams. There is plenty of room on the top for all of us.........
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 16, 2006, 02:04:59 AM
  I only have one more comment about this past years MCM team.   They had a great year,  they get to put up a conference banner that they have earned. 

Now as for HSU.   If any of the players read any of this I just want to say you have really made all the purple and gold fans really proud. 

Facing three teams that all have won twenty or more games in a row is sort of  scary.    But on the other hand you have to think that none of them have any respect for you and the Cowgirls can use that.  No one in Tacoma had any respect either and now they are back at home.  Just two more.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 16, 2006, 08:07:11 AM
Good luck to the Cowgirls.

Two things that the media types will try to say are a factor:  travel and crowd.

Travel--the bus trip to LaCollege and MissColl is a real road trip.  That was a verrryyyyy lonnnnnnngggggggg ride home from Clinton last month.  Now that is a road trip.  You have just had a flight to an interesting part of the country.

Crowd--The Blake Center holds 2000.  You play before 2000 very vocal fans very frequently.  Just imagine that the loud obnoxious ones are from HPU or McM!   ;D ;D

Good luck to the Cowgirls!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on March 16, 2006, 12:25:56 PM
Fanstand:  I get it.  I understand where you're coming from.  It's frustrating going one and out after an absolutely amazing season...But that's the drama of the playoffs, and sometimes the team who's been good MOST of the year isn't the team to beat at that time.  Timing is everything when it comes to March Madness.

For the rest of the McM fans:  I have a horrible truth to tell...So horrible I dare not utter these words aloud...Nay, writing them is cause of pain enough.  I actually have LOVED rooting for the cowgirls the last two weeks...I know, Ralph, get off the floor, it's gonna be okay.  Seriously though, we always say go ASC and I think we mean it.  BUT, this time it's been an absolute joy to watch (or listen to) HSU make this run...I've found myself cheering them on, and hoping for the best.  Thank you Cowgirls...And as much pain as it causes after 16 years of watching the games as an Indian:  GO COWGIRLS!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 16, 2006, 12:42:48 PM
Jungle, you are a journalist!  You must maintain a modicum of objectivity. :D  ;D

I just hope you began enjoying rooting for the Cowgirls at 10:30 pm on Friday 3rd!

After the bracket that we got and the first round loss, I began rooting for the ASC, then Texas.

This is a different manner to show the ASC is not a one-trick pony, but the 3rd place team in the ASC-West is in the
Final Four.  There are a bunch of good teams here. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2006, 10:31:14 AM
Would someone DVD the HSU-USM game for me?

I have to work this pm.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 17, 2006, 12:32:40 PM
Wow Ralph, aren't you an ob/gyn? You doing surgery or something, what doc works on Friday afternoons? I've worked in the field for nearly 12 years, and no docs round here work on Friday afternoons?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2006, 12:54:00 PM
Sometimes you just have to! ;)

Actually, Wednesday is when I do not routinely schedule patients.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 17, 2006, 04:43:27 PM
I am so excited.   I am watching the game on the webcast.
It is the first time to see the girls.   SM is very good.  We are only getting one shot at the basket.   Down by nine at the half.  Still lots of game to be played.   Score is 32-23
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 17, 2006, 05:00:02 PM
CalHSU:

Glad you're enjoying the webcast.  Thanks for tuning in.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 17, 2006, 05:38:31 PM
heck of a comeback for HSU in the 2nd half down by 18 at one time.  Makes you wonder what the score could be if those shots in the 1st half wouldn't have rolled in and out....


Congrats on a great season HSU...way to represent your team, school and the ASC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 17, 2006, 05:42:07 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on March 17, 2006, 05:00:02 PM
CalHSU:

Glad you're enjoying the webcast.  Thanks for tuning in.

Webcast was great!  Sorry, Cowgirls!  You made us all proud for the come back!  You nearly did it!

Thanks for the season.  You'll be back next year!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 17, 2006, 05:43:28 PM
They lost by nine but it was much closer than that.  They were within four and missed they didn't, and foul shots ended the game.    

The webcast was great.   They showed their heart after getting blow off the court at the first of the second half.   A couple more few throws,  (which they missed very few) .  They still have a game to play and I hope they give it their all.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: realist on March 17, 2006, 06:01:17 PM
It definitely was an impressive comeback for HSU.  I was very impressed they kept fighting.  I have seen a number of midwestern teams play (including Hope) and I think HSU would give most if not all of them a good run for the money.  I know it is hard to see the season end, but making it this far is better than most teams can claim.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2006, 06:12:14 PM
Quote from: calhsu on March 17, 2006, 05:43:28 PM
They lost by nine but it was much closer than that.  They were within four and missed they didn't, and foul shots ended the game.    

The webcast was great.   They showed their heart after getting blow off the court at the first of the second half.   A couple more few throws,  (which they missed very few) .  They still have a game to play and I hope they give it their all.

They drew to 53-55.  Very good effort!

The season is not over.  The 3rd place game is tomorrow! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on March 17, 2006, 08:53:32 PM
Great effort by HSU tonight;  almost an incredible comeback.  First half was a bit rough and our undoing, but kudos to the team for the way they fought back.  This team clearly belongs in the same league as the other three teams in Springfield, and have a lot to look forward to--both tomorrow and next season.

Congrats, Cowgirls.  I'm glad I got to see you in Springfield.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsufan on March 18, 2006, 12:12:07 PM
Is there a problem with the live feed for the consolation game?  I'm getting nothing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 18, 2006, 01:10:40 PM
Halftime-- Scranton 33, HSU 17.


It was 11-9 Scranton at 14:00.  They just pulled away.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsufan on March 18, 2006, 02:07:09 PM
Not the ending to our run that we were hoping for but it was a respectable showing.  Couldn't really buy a bucket today but played great defense.  Cowgirls will be back next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 18, 2006, 02:10:36 PM
Very bad game for the Cowgirls.   Maybe one 3 pt  shot for them,  Scranton had several.  Horrible free throw %  
I really didn't like the officals calls but that was not why they lost.

It was a big show that they need more experience to win games at.   HSU still has not beat teams from the east.  They won the south and west but as Ralph always points out you need lots of muscle to play with the big girls up north.

I am very glad to have actually got to see the girls in person after all these years.  When I come to Abilene in October I hope to shake hands with at least the coach.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 18, 2006, 02:51:10 PM
Simply making the tournament is a huge accomplishment for any team.  Winning any games in that national tournament is a bigger accomplishment.  Getting to the Final Four is something most teams will never experience! 

I heard someone on an ESPN Radio call in show describe teams that consistently make the tournament but not winning as "over rated."  Truth be told, simply making the tournment on a consistent basis is an indication that the program is healthy and superior to most.  The national tournament is a tough road!  The road to the Final Four is a very difficult one. 

An end-of-season congratulations to McMurry Lady Indians, Howard Payne Lady Jackets  and the Hardin Simmons CowgirlsWhat a terrific year!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2006, 10:52:05 PM
I have a request for Jungle on his radio show!

Please dedicate an entire radio show to your observation in Springfield.

Please cover the subjects:

--Springfield and Hall of Fame
--the other teams you saw.  Physical make-up, tempo, ball-handling, inside game, size, strength, depth, etc.
--the refereeing at that level...styles?  characteristics?  etc.
--How much better were Hope and USM?
--What does the ASC need to do to get back to the Final Four and win this time?

Please give us the hyperlink when you record the show, jungle!

I think that you put a curse on HSU when you acknowledged that you were secretly rooting for them.  If that was Machiavellian brilliance on your part, then mission accomplished.  :D ;D :D ;D :D ;) 8)

Oops, I apologize.  Thou shalt not commit Schadenfreude!  :D

Only 7 more months to hoops season again! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 19, 2006, 11:09:17 PM
Having been out of town for a week, and without access to a computer, it is interesting now reading all the comments since my last post.  I'd just like some clarification from a comment that hsufan made at the start of the week.

1. The McM fans cheered ETBU when they beat HSU in the first ASC tournament sectional.  Why is this a big deal?  I remember back in 2000 when we at McM hosted a visiting team in the playoffs and HSU had a bye, the HSU players actually driving across town to McM to cheer the team we were playing.  That seems to be part of the rivalry between the two schools, and something both teams have done when they've had the chance.  It doesn't seem to prevent a lot of respect between the players of the two teams outside heated game situations.

2. Coach Nichols didn't shake the hands of the HSU girls after that ETBU-HSU game.  Maybe I don't understand basketball ediquette, but since he was simply watching the game and not one of the actual coaches involved in playing it, why should he shake their hands?  At the HPU-Trinity game at McM, I saw both coaches Briggs and Nichols in the audience, scoping out the two teams.  I didn't stay for the end; but did either of them shake the hands of the players of the losing team?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 20, 2006, 01:32:50 AM
Quote from: hsufan link=topic=1526.msg508444#ms

Or after the sub-sectional game, Coach Nichols heading to the locker room without shaking the HSU girls hands?
 
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mcmfan,

I believe hsufan was talking about the game between McM and HSU...when he mentioned the above incident.  I wasn't there, but when I read his comment, I took it this way.

...and I agree, it is NOT a big deal when members of a third team cheer another team's loss, that is a distinct rival...such as most all of the Texas teams are!!! :D

Congrats to all the Basketball Teams...it was a great year...and next year will only be better! 8)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 20, 2006, 08:45:40 AM
I completely agree that it is no big deal nor a problem at all for a spectator team to be cheering for a particular team or against another team.  McM obviously hoped to meet ETBU and not HSU in a future game.  There is an old expression, "It's lonely at the top," and that certainly applies in basketball.

As to a basketball coach not shaking the hands of the players of an opposing team, that is complete nonsense and indicates a real absence of personal integrity.  A few years ago when HPU played HSU in Abilene, HPU nearly pulled off an upset, losing by two.  Handshakes were not exchanged between a head coach and the opposing team.  It was a ridiculous end to an exciting, well-played game.

There is a huge difference between a competitive spirit, displayed in cheering against a particular team, and childish pouting, displayed in a refusal to shake the hands of an opposing team.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on March 20, 2006, 09:54:18 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2006, 10:52:05 PM
I have a request for Jungle on his radio show!
--Springfield and Hall of Fame
--the other teams you saw.  Physical make-up, tempo, ball-handling, inside game, size, strength, depth, etc.
--the refereeing at that level...styles?  characteristics?  etc.
--How much better were Hope and USM?
--What does the ASC need to do to get back to the Final Four and win this time?

I can give you my take, Ralph, FWIW:

*   I didn't have time to see the "new" HOF.  The original HOF was on the Springfield campus, but there are very, very few traces of it left on campus.  The original building is still there, but it's being used as classroom space for SC's Allied Health studies program.  The only original pieces left have been moved to Blake Arena, and are comprised of 6-8 stained glass pieces paying homage to basketball pioneers, including Dr. Naismith.

*   I didn't see a big difference in size or quickness between the HSU players and the other teams.  The post players from the other teams tended to be a hair quicker and were probably better ball handlers than HSU's, but HSU was certainly in the same league as the other teams.  The other teams were deeper on the bench, though.  Hope, Scranton and USM all were able to get more consistent minutes (and scoring) out of their bench than HSU was (at least this weekend).  Plus, the other three teams were more experienced at this level--which is an intangible you can't really quantify, but is noticable and invaluable nonetheless (ask the Arkansas Razorbacks, hehehe   ;) ) 

*   The officiating was pretty good, IMO.  The zebras let the girls play, and called fouls when they needed to.  Of course, there will always be people that question the calls, but outside of a VERY few questionable whistles--which had no real noticable impact on the final outcomes--I'd give the stripes a 'A' overall.  Nice job by those folks.

*   I don't know how HSU would have fared against Hope, but I can tell you that they (meaning Hope) would be a strong contender in the Division I Patriot League I've been covering.  They match up well size and quickness-wise with those girls.  I also think they were clearly A) the hottest, B) the best, or C) all of the above team out of the four.  The Dutch really deserve the title, IMO.

HSU played USM tight, especially in the second half.  Had HSU been able to put together a better first half, it could very easily have been HSU against Hope in the finals.  The second half the Cowgirls put up against USM was some of the best women's hoops I've seen in awhile.  On the other hand, HSU never really got in sync against Scranton.  Could be the letdown, could be all the travel and fatigue, could just be that Scranton was simply a superior team.  I don't know, but they just looked lethargic the whole game.  I'm not sure the margin between Scranton and USM and HSU is all that much, and that given 10 games each against each other, all the teams wouldn't have a .500 record.

*   I think, moving forward, the ASC can, and will get back to the Final Four.  One of the inheirent disadvantages we're going to face, however, is the lack of "outside" competition until the sectional round, i.e. when there are three teams from the same conference and Trinity--who I think all three teams had played in the regular season, but might be wrong.  It would seem that there's not a noticable difference in styles, size, quickness or athleticism from what these girls see in the regular season to really help ASC teams "step it up" in the sectionals.  If our schools can play some tougher (or at least non-south central US) non-conference opponents, I think it would really serve to get these girls more mentally prepared for these rounds.

That, and more experience on the "big stage", is what will help an ASC team get back to the Final Four and win next time.

I know you asked George, but that's my take on the weekend.  It was a lot of fun being there, and I hope everyone checks out the photo galleries, which are up and running. 

It was also really neat to see Shanna Briggs on the sidelines for HSU.  Shanna and I were both at HSU at the same time, and both basketball players (she much better than I).  It made me nostalgic for the old times and made me wonder about what's happened to my old basketball friends--men's and women's--since graduation.  I'm happy that Shanna has been able to build on the solid foundation she inheirited, and will look forward to (hopefully) many more successful years with her at the helm of the Cowgirls program.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 20, 2006, 09:56:30 AM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 20, 2006, 08:45:40 AM

  There is an old expression, "It's lonely at the top," and that certainly applies in basketball.



Another "old" expression that Marines use:  "It's not bragging, if it is the truth!" ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 20, 2006, 10:01:17 AM
Thanks, Josh!

Great report...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on March 20, 2006, 10:04:34 AM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 20, 2006, 08:45:40 AMAs to a basketball coach not shaking the hands of the players of an opposing team, that is complete nonsense and indicates a real absence of personal integrity.  A few years ago when HPU played HSU in Abilene, HPU nearly pulled off an upset, losing by two.  Handshakes were not exchanged between a head coach and the opposing team.  It was a ridiculous end to an exciting, well-played game.  

Agreed, but I know Coach Nichols to be (personally) a pretty decent guy.  And, while I didn't see what happened, I hope that he doesn't get pigeon-holed based on one particular thing, but rather everyone can respect the aggregate of his contributions to the McM community.  

Looking back, I would imagine that he'd do it differently if he could do it again.  Even as a HSU fan, I can respect the program he's been able to build over on South 14th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 20, 2006, 02:52:37 PM
Josh, thanks for the posting!  I am glad that you answered the request.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 20, 2006, 03:16:51 PM
I didn't see what happened, but I bet Coach Nichols shook Coach Briggs hand, and while the HSU girls were celebrating after the win, he probably headed to the locker room, not really thinking about it. The girls probably took longer than normal during their celebration, I doubt it was anything meant towards the players. But like I said I really wasn't paying attention.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 20, 2006, 03:37:47 PM
Congratulations to Tarra Richardson, 2nd team All-American Center...only one of 3 sophomores named.

http://www.d3hoops.com/tow/06/womallam06.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 21, 2006, 01:00:47 PM
The All-American selections remind me of the value of a well-blanced team.  HSU was able to control Randolph-Macon's Player of the Year, Megan Silva, and advance to the Final Four!  HSU has had their share of incredible players in recent years and went farther without such talent this year than in any previous season! 

I'm already looking forward to next season!  :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 21, 2006, 06:41:35 PM
Gee I hope the great non hand shaking scandel is finished.
What a big deal over nothing.   I know lots of nice and good people who could walk off a court after losing a game  like that.   I'll give MCM grief over lots of stuff and its hard core fans,  but not over something that means nothing.

Josh I thought your remarks were right on the mark on the HSU apperance at Springfield.   It really is all about levels of play.   HSU has worked years to get to that level and found it a pretty tough place to be.  It took more than one elite eight apperance to go farther and now the program can actually talk about a day when they might win a national championship.   

As far as next year they will have to have someone step up big to replace West.   I really like the play of the point guard,  I thought she got some terrible calls but over all I thought she did a good job.  If she was the second string then that postion  should be fine.   The forwards are fine.  It really all come down if they can rebound.  They will have some seniors that I feel will one to get back to the final four.
A great freshmen class is  also needed.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 21, 2006, 07:23:49 PM
Quote from: calhsu on March 21, 2006, 06:41:35 PM
Gee I hope the great non hand shaking scandel is finished.
What a big deal over nothing.   

I know you were writing tongue-in-cheek, but there really was no scandal.  I do appreciate, however, your bringing it up again.  Maybe with a little fanning the flame will burn a little brighter!   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 24, 2006, 07:45:42 PM
Since fanning is the family name I am always doing a little of it.

I guess this means the page is dead till sometime in the summer when we get some word on any players leaving a team or coming to a team. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 26, 2006, 10:36:36 PM
Right...but there is a baseball board.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on March 27, 2006, 03:47:50 PM
The American Southwest will be one tough conference next year.  Besides HSU having no seniors  I noticed at the Confernce tourney of the the 8 teams there, 1 team had 5 Srs. and the most on any team for the other 7 teams were 2 Seniors.  It will be a great season for watching girls basketball!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 28, 2006, 01:49:52 PM
No seniors on HSU?  What about Sonya West?  I thought she was a senior!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 28, 2006, 06:24:28 PM
Technically West is not a senior but I think it has been suggested she will graduate before next season. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 31, 2006, 05:43:20 PM
You know we talk about players coming back or not. What about coaches? TLU coach resigned, I don't look for changes in the conference but who knows? This is the time of the year there are offers put on the table. There could be changes in that area too. Who is to say......just something to ponder over the long offseason. You never know. Sweet deals are sometimes made, offers you can't refuse................
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 31, 2006, 07:05:17 PM
Here is a big-time coaching change in the ASC-West.

TLU's Volleyball Coach Brandi Bradley is leaving TLU to take a job at Dell Computer and to move closer to family.

Coach Bradley took the Lady Bulldogs to the Sweet 16 in 2004.  She had ASC-West titles in 2003 and 2004.

http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/volleyball/news/060321_bradley_resigns.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LC-DBO on April 04, 2006, 01:52:45 AM
LC gets new Women's Basketball Coach today ... Here is the link to the article ... http://thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060403/SPORTS/60403009

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 04, 2006, 01:58:41 PM
Found some interesting stuff in a google search. Her Montana State win-loss record was missing from the school release, so I went looking for it and found a lot more than that:

http://www.d3hoops.com/news.php?date=2006-04-04
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on April 04, 2006, 08:59:46 PM
I guess that could be taken two different ways...   ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2006, 09:32:27 PM
If you google Robin Potera-Haskins you will find she has thrived in the smaller faith-based programs in the Texas.  Her success at Wilmer-Hutchins HS, Austin College and Texas Wesleyan should be reproduced at LC.

She is familiar with the ASC, even before the expansion since 1999.  She should relate very well to Louisiana Women Cagers.  I think that the ASC-East just got tougher, and she is a good fit for LC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 04, 2006, 09:35:46 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on April 04, 2006, 08:59:46 PM
I guess that could be taken two different ways...   ???

Well, if the record had been in the release, no need to go looking.

Heh, and for that matter, if the release had actually been sent to us, definitely no need to go looking for info. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on April 04, 2006, 09:38:10 PM
That point isn't lost on me--I feel your pain. 

I just wonder what the MSU guy meant by "fit".  Sorry, should've clarified that I read the release and was curious.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 04, 2006, 09:44:54 PM
An AP story I read elsewhere referenced players leaving over excessive amounts of practice time, with some interesting statements from a parent of a player. However, I couldn't find another story where those allegations were addressed, so I decided to leave it out of our news story.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2006, 10:14:23 PM
Pat, her stint at Austin College tells me she can live within the time constraints in D3.

I also assume that the hiring committee at LC did their due diligence on issues of "university fit".

I appreciate your coverage of her hiring.  I just hope that the LC SID thought of you first, but I am not sure. :-\ ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LC-DBO on April 05, 2006, 11:22:46 AM
Why in the article that is posted on D3 Hoops is an added section about her that is not in our press release?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 05, 2006, 12:19:57 PM
Because we are a news site, not a Louisiana College PR site. We augment school's news releases with additional information all the time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LC-DBO on April 05, 2006, 02:11:52 PM
Ok ... I'm sorry I didn't know. Well anyway I am the assistant coach for the Men's team and we researched her very well. There is more details behind that story. She is a great Christian woman that I believe will fit well into the Lady Cats program.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 05, 2006, 02:26:28 PM
I'm sure she will, and as Ralph mentioned, she has done well at like institutions. However, a news story should include as many facts as are available. Obviously a school's news release doesn't have the same mission. Why the local paper didn't do the research is another question.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2006, 02:44:27 PM
LC-DBO, I suspect that your new women's coach has had her life's epiphany.

When she was younger, she was very successful at a challenging job at Wilmer-Hutchins, and at a well-respected D3 school, Austin College, and then she made the jump to D2, bringing success to a tough program at Texas Wesleyan.

When the chance to move to D1 opened, she moved an had success in the conference and the W-L columns.

Whatever transpired in the Montana State University's perception of "fit" is where she met her match.  Things happened.  She experienced a situation in which I will bet her faith carried her through.  She moved to Winthrop (a D1 as an assistant) in an environment more to her liking and where she could assess what she needed to be doing next.

She has probably determined what she needs to be doing next, and assuming that she is a good "theological" fit for Louisiana College by virtue of the due diligence you have done on her, she has probably found her calling.

There are lots of very good women's players and programs coming out of Louisiana, LSU, LaTech, Coach Kim Mulkey-Robinson at Baylor, Southland Conference schools...

I anticipate that she will be very successful at LC.  I hope that she has found her home. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LC-DBO on April 05, 2006, 08:07:04 PM
Here is an article in today's paper that helps everyone see who see really is and why is a great pick for our program ... http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060405/SPORTS/604050321/1006
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 05, 2006, 08:23:25 PM
Nice to see the newspaper almost doing its homework. I always thought it was better to get both sides of the story but at least it got one side of the story instead of the zero it got the last time around.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on April 05, 2006, 08:32:24 PM
Good article;  sounds like they asked the appropriate questions.

This account is sort o what I expected to see, honestly, and I'd be absolutely fine with the hire if I were an LC supporter.  Looks like the new coach is going to be one to firmly stick to her guns--even under pressure.  I know that's something that the LC folks will welcome.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 16, 2006, 09:03:00 AM
Good to see that McMurry is picking up some good recruits.

Cassie Lyles, (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=170) a 6'0" post "with a shooter's touch" from Benjamin HS is coming to McMurry.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on May 30, 2006, 09:41:53 PM
Just a note, heard today that Julie Goodenough got a DI job in South Carolina. I'm sorry don't remember the name of the school, but since things are so slow thought I might throw that out there.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 30, 2006, 10:43:15 PM
Quote from: fanstand on May 30, 2006, 09:41:53 PM
Just a note, heard today that Julie Goodenough got a DI job in South Carolina. I'm sorry don't remember the name of the school, but since things are so slow thought I might throw that out there.

fanstand, thanks for the post. 

I "googled" Julie Goodenough and found out that Julie is running a crochet web site.

http://www.juliegoodenough.com/

You know, crocheting may prevent technical fouls, if you can control the crochet hooks! :D ;) :) ::) 8)

Julie is going to Charleston Southern in the Big South Conference, the conference to which Birmingham Southern belongs.

http://www.bigsouthsports.com/
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on June 04, 2006, 06:46:57 PM
Quote from: fanstand on May 30, 2006, 09:41:53 PM
Just a note, heard today that Julie Goodenough got a DI job in South Carolina. I'm sorry don't remember the name of the school, but since things are so slow thought I might throw that out there.

I hope Coach Goodnenough has the sort of success she saw at HSU.  She is a terrific person who deserves the best.  She is much more than a great basketball coach - she is a marvelous individual.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on July 31, 2006, 07:55:07 PM
Somebody had to say something.

I wonder why HSU men have had there schedule up for a while and still none for the women?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on August 11, 2006, 01:07:22 AM
Finally the HSU schedule.  They are playing Trinity again.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on August 11, 2006, 02:28:13 PM
GOOD!  I hope HSU is playing as many true national contenders as possible! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 12, 2006, 12:54:20 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on August 11, 2006, 02:28:13 PM
GOOD!  I hope HSU is playing as many true national contenders as possible! 

I know that they play Defending (2006) ASC Champion McMurry at least twice, and maybe as many as four times next year! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on August 13, 2006, 12:16:04 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 12, 2006, 12:54:20 PM
I know that they play Defending (2006) ASC Champion McMurry at least twice, and maybe as many as four times next year! ;D

Touché!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on September 15, 2006, 06:28:47 PM
I had a little surprise when I checked the roster.  I wondered who the new six foot senior center was.  Clicked on the picture,  I guess someone got married.   Best wishes,  just wait one year at least for off spring.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 15, 2006, 07:36:53 PM
Noticed one of last season's reserve guards (Shamika Conaway) isn't listed on this season's HSU basketball roster. I remember hearing she lost a relative toward the end of last season. Anybody know anything further? (As long as she's OK health-wise).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on September 22, 2006, 05:21:54 PM
I see that HPU is opening the season with Trinity.  Should be a very interesting opening game!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on September 24, 2006, 06:23:01 PM
Seems like a long offseason. Getting ready to gear up and make some predictions. I am ready to stir it up once again. Ready to go toe to toe, calhsu? We could be ready to rumble again.......Last year was a great year for the ASC West, bet this year will be a good one too! The East didn't do so bad either, I think they will be tough this year. But I am not quite ready to make any yet, (predictions that is....) Gentleman and ladies, get your thinking caps on, regular season workouts are about 3 weeks away.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on September 26, 2006, 05:53:11 PM
Fanstand .... so glad to hear you will be around to mix it up this year.  I do agree that it will be a tight   this year.   The years of complete control by HSU are over no doubt about it.  McMurry has won a conference championship and will want more.  HPU beat everyone once and got nothing but knows they were right there.   HSU though, got a monkey off their back,  went to a new level by making the final four.   The biggest questions facing HSU will be how they will be without West,  and will any underclass big bodies step up to fill in.       When I make my trip to Abilene in October  for homecoming I do plan to drive through the McM campus,  no curses I promise.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on September 28, 2006, 02:15:42 PM
Speaking of underclassmen, what are people hearing about incoming freshmen and transfers coming to the different schools.  Are there any difference makers coming into the conference?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on October 17, 2006, 09:43:05 AM
Division III News Preseason Poll

1. Scarnton 31-2
2. Southern Maine 32-2
3. Baldwin Wallace 27-5
4. Hope 33-1
5. NYU 18-8
6. DePauw 29-2
7. Bowdoin 27-3
8. Messiah 26-3
9. Wis.-Stout 22-8
10. Carroll 22-5
11. Bates 19-9
12. Bridgewater (Va.) 24-7
13. Mary Washington 29-2
14. Hardin Simmons 24-7
15. Calvin 23-5
16. Wheaton (Ill.) 25-5
17. Wis.- Stevens Point 20-8
18. Wilmington 19-8
19. St. Benedict 21-6
20. Washington (Mo.) 25-3
21. McMurry (26-3)
22. Williams (23-6)
23. Maryville (Tenn.) 23-7
24. Simpson 24-5
25. Salem State 23-5


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on October 17, 2006, 11:40:58 AM
What a bunch of bunk with HSU ranked 14th pre-season and only graduating 1 from the entire roster!  East Coast press....is all I can figure, I was guessing they would come in about 7.   So much for ratings.
      The Am. Sw. will be a dog fight this this.  I believe that at the Conference Tourney last year there were only a total of 7 Seniors on all of the combined rosters.  This will be a very interesting year to see who comes out on top as all the the top teams are very talented. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on October 17, 2006, 11:52:36 AM
Conaway for HSU has dropped out of basketball.  She is a nursing major and it is impossible to do both.  Great girl!  Good luck to her!!  HSU will miss her defense as she helped out a great deal during the stretch run to the final 4 with Hauk out with a knee injury.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on October 17, 2006, 02:05:01 PM
These polls are all about politics and who you know anyway!  How else can you explain McM being as low as they are with their talent and HPU not on there at all when they only lost 1 senior that wasn't a regular for them!  I swear, HSU could be 5-20 one season and would still be in the top 25.  Don't get me wrong, they have a lot of talent and solid history, but they tend to get votes they don't always deserve.  It would take numerous losses for them to drop out of the top 25 where as other teams would drop out after only one!  You should be happy with the ranking!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WWWRHH on October 17, 2006, 02:51:51 PM
Having attended the final four in Springfield, it appears to me that the pre-season rankings reflect end of season / tournament performances more than "politics".  D3 fans (and pollsters) have very little opportunity to see and compare out of region teams.  HSU's sound defeat in the semi-finals by a team that was also soundly beat in the finals does little to help the rankings of the foes it dispatched early in the tournament.

Hope, Scranton and Southern Maine had to get past some very tough teams in close games to reach Springfield and those teams are heavily represented above HSU.  The top team have many key performers back.  Hope's #4 ranking is probably due to the loss of two starters (including MVP Bria Ebels), but since the Dutch used a ten person rotation they should be strong again this year.  Scranton also returns a deep team and lost to Hope by only 3 pts. as did U of Washington - St. Louis.

But as we all know, at the end of the year it is wins and losses that matter - not opinions.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on October 17, 2006, 03:44:59 PM
I agree all that matters is what happens at the end of the year.  HSU definitely proved that they belong toward the top with its post season run.  I am looking forward to this season as it should be an exciting one, not that it ever isn't!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on October 17, 2006, 03:46:05 PM
I was also at the Final 4 last year and will agree with you about the top 4 rankings.  However, if what you say is true then how does Wis-Stout come in at #9 when they were so "soundly" defeated by HSU earlier in the tourney.  
  Also, I have not looked on the maps but offhand it looks to me that there are only about 4 teams ranked that are west of the Mississippi.  
   Surely teams like Miss. College( east of the Miss.) Howard Payne, Trinity, and McMurry, and Hardin-Simmons deserve more recognition.  I believe all of these teams return at least 4 starters from excellent teams last year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 17, 2006, 04:34:46 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on September 15, 2006, 07:36:53 PM
Noticed one of last season's reserve guards (Shamika Conaway) isn't listed on this season's HSU basketball roster. I remember hearing she lost a relative toward the end of last season. Anybody know anything further? (As long as she's OK health-wise).
Quote from: pirateonthebrazos on October 17, 2006, 11:52:36 AM
Conaway for HSU has dropped out of basketball.  She is a nursing major and it is impossible to do both.  Great girl!  Good luck to her!!  HSU will miss her defense as she helped out a great deal during the stretch run to the final 4 with Hauk out with a knee injury.

Thanks for the response, I appreciate it. :) ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WWWRHH on October 17, 2006, 05:17:08 PM
I was trying to be as general as possible and there are always exceptions to the rule when doing so.  However, I tend to agree with you about Stout.  The WIAC's reputation is stronger than its recent results.

I think the primary reason for the small number of teams ranked west of the Missippii is the distribution of Division 3 members.  Of the eight regions listed on D3 Hoops women's posting up section, six are almost entirely in the eastern half of the country (with a couple of exceptions in the SCAC),and the central region is split.  That would indicated that 80% - 90% of D3 members are eastern schools.  That is consistent with 85% of the top 25 coming from the east. (I would do more research, but I am at work  :)).

I alluded to a second issue in my earlier post - since D3 players are students first, travel is limited and most games are in region giving less opportunity for comparison.

If there were more televised games and / or inter-region games we would have more facts with which to debate - but then the board would very likely be less fun.

I wish HSU the very best this season.  I was told by an opposing player that in addition to being tough competitors they were fun to meet.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on October 18, 2006, 10:27:37 AM
Thanks for your insight WWWRHH!  All of your reasons were in the back of my mind as I was posting but your response seems to make it much clearer as to the rankings.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on October 18, 2006, 10:59:36 AM
It is true that D3 players are students first and that accounts for a lot of in region games, but you have to also attribute the in region games to conference scheduling.  ASC schools have only 3 non conference games a year which makes it very difficult to play outside teams.  Couple that with the extensive and expensive traveling in conference, it doesn't leave much else in the budget!  I do know HPU has traveled a lot in the past few years to east coast schools to try to bring additional exposure but largely has not helped.  Most of the time, it is suggested to play in region teams in order to help your regional ranking throughout the year and that is what gets teams in the tournament if you don't win your conference tournament.  Really, a coach would be more focused on the regional ranking then the national one!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: imad3fanatic on October 18, 2006, 11:07:12 AM
Pre-season predictions are in :

http://www.umhb.edu/athletics/news/3787
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on October 19, 2006, 09:56:21 PM
Well, I guess for once I wasn't ticked at the polls. Happy? Not really, but really not surprised.  I have finally learned polls really don't do much except get the blood boiling and start the controversy.  I was glad that McMurry was very close to being number one.  Nice to see Tarra get preseason POY, she's a stud and with Symbri being a senior, hopefully they can get it done all year long.  We have unfinished business from last year, have a great group back, and hopefully some new faces to fill in places.  Will again try to catch some scrimmages and see some action and then draw some conclusions for myself.  Then I will pass my "humble" opinion on.  Mcm doesn't have a home game until November 30th.  Sure seems like a long time away. But I'll be there with bells on..... Go L.I.B.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on October 20, 2006, 01:54:55 PM
Ralph,

Just just read your May article concerning the plight of McMurry's name change.  It was very informative as I had no idea of your Mascot's history.  Your narrative was heartwarming and compassionate.   It is a shame that our society's values have gotten so turned around that they have to take action concerning a school's mascot.
  It's something I understand but personally will never agree with.
I was at UT-Arlington in 1970 when the mascot was changed from Rebel's to Mavericks due to racial overtones.  Overnite the tradition and school spirit was changed forever.  The name change coincided with the football games moving from small Memorial Stadium on campus to the the Baseball dungeon call Turnpike Stadium.  It was a terrible decision to move.  It was like playing football in a big empty bowl as the fans were 30 to 40 yards away from the sidelines.  UTA eventually built a new stadium on campus and made a loyal effort to re-establish tradition and spirit but it was too late as the alumni and student body never supported the program.  Football was eventually dropped apparently forever.
    Don't let McMurry loose its' Heritage as I now know that there is much, much, more that just a name....Thanks Ralph!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on October 20, 2006, 04:45:02 PM

We go through this every year.

1.  Yes pre season mean nothing.   If you get listed you smile for the weeks before  the season begins.
2.  HSU makes the preseason based on years of winning. 
3.  If you have a good year (as MCmurry did) nothing will change untill the real games take place.   When the (Indians--native americans- tribe-  what ever)  have ten years of winning they will make the pre season poll.
4.  Yes  it will be a great year, very competive. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on October 31, 2006, 11:42:28 AM
Just got back from Texas and the HSU reunion.   Wow what a campus.  This week they showed off a new area that has the name of every HSU grad.  It was very impressive. 
Went into the athletic building and said hello to Coach Briggs.  What a nice person. 
I was very shock that one of the HSU staff came up and guessed who I was on this board.  He said he was only a watcher of the board. 
The admistration said over the weekend they want in the future to build a bigger basketball arena.   
Drove all over Texas during the week,  brought back very good memories.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on October 31, 2006, 11:56:16 AM
Does anyone know who teams a scrimmaging?  Are there any scrimmages that may be indicative of what kind of team a school will have?  I know some scrimmages are out there and you can't take anything from them (ie. Trinity scrimmaging UT) but surely there are some that would give us some insight!  Is anyone going to any upcoming scrimmages that you can fill us in on talent?  If you can't tell I am ready for games to start! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 31, 2006, 11:01:45 PM
HPU men and women are scrimmaging Tarleton State next week...i think it will give a decent indication as to where they stand.  I think the women will fair a lot better than the men will.  HPU's women are stacked this year and it's the deepest team Coach K has ever had.  Expect another record year from the Lady Jackets who have improved every year since he's been the head man.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on November 01, 2006, 10:20:01 AM
Cowgirls will scrimmage ACU Friday @ ACU.  I really don't think one can tell much about scrimmages except for seeing what kind of depth a team may have by getting a look at the new faces that may have joined the team and the progress of younger players coming back.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 02, 2006, 02:37:27 PM
Well I see the preseason poll is out for the women.   I will offically serve up the chesse and bread from california because I know that their will be plenty of wine to up in Texas.  HPU and McMurry  rated under HSU.  We all know what happened last year.  Three schools had great seasons.  HPU won a ton of games and made the playoffs.  McM  won the west, won the conference.   That cannot be earsed or forgotten.  HSU lost more games than it usually does but there was the small matter of them GOING TO THE FINAL FOUR.   Yes,  everyone is proud of what they did last year.  With almost everyone having  everyone back,  looks like a great year, again.

What this poll says is that because of a history of year in and year out sucess HSU gets a early reward.    Honestly,  life would go on if HSU was rated lower.   And I know that it really fires McM and HPU to beat the cowgirls.       So this year surprise me.   Maybe only one little whine but don't get to upset over it.  By the end of this month the polls will begin to mean something.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on November 02, 2006, 05:42:43 PM
And here I was thinking it was kinda cool that the ASC West got three teams in the preseason poll.  From my perspective, that's about as much respect as a conference can hope for!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 02, 2006, 06:44:59 PM
You are right,  three ASC teams in the top 20 it is very impressive.  Not sure that it has ever been done in preseason.

My only point was that you know who was rated higher and I thought some might not see the wisdom in that.   There are times I do like to be wrong.   When the Mcmmon and fanstand  greet the poll with joy I will say I was  mistaken.

I will not hold my breath.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 03, 2006, 11:35:16 AM
As a new member of the posting board I will add in my two cents about the preseason polls.  I feel it is a good compliment to have 3 conference schools in the rankings, and frankly about time!  I have no doubt that these schools will put on a great showing, but I don't think you can count out UMHB.  They are pretty unrepresented on this board, and no I am not a Cru fan, but feel they deserve some recognition as well.  They were definitely the spoilers down the stretch of the season last year.  Now that their coach has had a solid year under her belt, they could be a contender.  All in all, I am eager to see how the season plays out.  I feel that you don't know who will win on any given night (SU has an improved team, SRSU is always a tough place to play, CUA with their scrappy attitude) and that is what makes this conference great!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2006, 02:42:02 PM
Quote from: pirateonthebrazos on October 17, 2006, 11:40:58 AM
What a bunch of bunk with HSU ranked 14th pre-season and only graduating 1 from the entire roster!  East Coast press....is all I can figure, I was guessing they would come in about 7.

Dunno if anyone has pointed out how far off your assumption is.

D3News is based in OREGON.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 03, 2006, 05:43:25 PM
Joy? Wisdom? I don't think those are words I can use for the polls.  Yes, I recognize that the ASC has three in the top 20. That is because HSU got to the final four, for that, I will give them the credit. HPU ranked 18th surprised me because they had 5 losses. McM only had 3 losses all year, 1 point to HPU that could have easily been a win for McM and 2 losses to HSU. But I have been following McM long enough to know how it goes. The conference looks good, we will see who comes out on top.  Until we went 18-0 last year, then we started getting the recognition I knew we deserved. We will see what this year has in store. UMHB came on strong at the end of the season and were a relatively young team.  You all know, I believe any team can be defeated by any other team given any circumstances, so bring your bread and cheese, I'll supply the wine or whine, but you know what whiner is only one "n" away from winner!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on November 04, 2006, 02:12:05 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2006, 02:42:02 PM
Quote from: pirateonthebrazos on October 17, 2006, 11:40:58 AM

Dunno if anyone has pointed out how far off your assumption is.

D3News is based in OREGON.

Thanks Pat!
I thought I ate a little crow with my reply......don't we always blame everything on the East Coast press?
By the way....I appreciate the the great job that d3 sports does....If it weren't for this website I could never find news about other d3 teams and sports.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on November 04, 2006, 02:27:17 AM
Just got in from Abilene to watch HSU Cowgirls scrimmage Abilene Christian. 
Came away very impressed with the quality of depth the Cowgirls have as they just wore down ACU.  More inspiring was the return of point guard Sarah Hauk from last season ending ACL surgery.  She played without a brace and as if the knee were never injured.....it was amazing to see.  It seems that with many ACL injuries players just never seem to make it back to where they were before the inury.  Way to go Sarah!  With Sarah & Rachel Cisneroz they have a great 1-2 punch at the point guard spot.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 04, 2006, 08:06:02 PM
speaking of knee inuries, Molly Buker from HPU has come back better than ever.  I popped by the coliseum for the Alumni game and was very impressed with her.  She too is moving like she never tore her ACL at the end of the season last year.  There is no doubt that HPU could have gone further with her in the line up.  It is amazing how far that surgery has come in such a short time.  Only 2 more weeks until opening weekend! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 07, 2006, 11:46:33 PM
Just got back from the HPU/TSU scrimmage.  The women looked really good for a lot of the scrimmage.  Won the first half by 1 pt but lost the 2nd half and the last 10 mins.  There are a couple newcomers that will give a lot of teams fits.  The defense is as strong as ever. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 07, 2006, 11:58:13 PM
The ASC Women's board is heating up already!

McMurry goes to Guilford and plays Oneonta (NY) State to open.  Oneonta St won the ECAC Championship, kinda like an NIT tourney for those teams that did not make the NCAA's.

That should be a good game!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: wbballfan10 on November 08, 2006, 07:01:49 PM
"Here's some scoop...Trinity had a closed scrimmage on Saturday vs. St. Mary's and Coach Kielsmeier from Howard Payne showed up...Is that legal???"
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 10, 2006, 02:53:08 PM
Congrats to MCM's Tarra Richardson and HPU's Meia Daniels for pre-season all American honors.  Richardson was voted second team and Dainels third team.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 10, 2006, 08:41:59 PM
Why would a scrimmage be closed?  I have gone to other conference scrimmages just to watch, who cares? They are about to be filmed and out for everyone to see.....is there some secret lurking in the gym? Unless you got a secret weapon, I think this is still a free country. But was Coach K incognito? Or did he have on an HPU Lady basketball sweatshirt. Funny stuff!  Was glad to see two conference All Americans, but was sorry Symbri Tuttle not on the list.  If you have never seen her play, too bad for you, but she deserves the honor IMHO. She is very unselfish averaging 8 assists, that accounts for at least 16 points a game, and proved in the last game of the year she can score too, if needed.  She lead the nation in assists last year and is the "General" of the team. She has set all kinds of ASC records, so you go Sym, show em what they are missing.  Next week........the new journey begins..............................
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 10, 2006, 10:40:13 PM
as an HPU grad and fan i was happy to see Mark Simon's Around the Nation showing some love for the Lady Jackets.  It should be one heck of a season.  I just hope when all is said and done that the top 3 teams in the ASC and I do mean HPU, HSU and McM(not necessarily in that order) do make the playoffs that they don't have the "Texas Bracket" AGAIN.

The NCAA can make more money than they save by having these 3 schools in the playoffs more than one or two games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on November 13, 2006, 11:26:10 AM
Ok McMurry fans, what's the deal?   Engelke and Finstad graduated but Burton, Venekamp, Poaetzold, Stephens, and Mckewen are not shown on the 06-07 roster.  What a blow if Burton, Venekamp, and Poaetzold are not available! 7 newcomers on your roster...how will your depth be?
Saw a great player @ Angelo State Friday nite...  6ft 5in Katarzyna Kurowska from Warsaw, Poland via Grayson CCC.  She moves good, excellent shooter, and is very disciplined on the defensive end.  Great shot blocker with long arms.  Will be a force in D2.  I don't know how the D1 schools passed on her.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 13, 2006, 11:50:27 AM
Dballa I agree with you about the playoffs.  It really is a shame that the matchups are done by what is best for the NCAA budget as opposed to actual rankings.  It would be really nice to see how far ASC schools would go in another bracket.  It is hard to show how competitive the conference is when you have to contiuously play within it.

If the roster holds true for MCM it will be interesting to see how their season goes.  I have also heard that UMHB has a 5'10 transfer that is quite the player.  Lindsey Ledee who I believe was at Temple JC prior to UMHB.  Another weapon for their arsenal.  Who do they start the season with? 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 14, 2006, 01:33:26 PM
Burton is concentrating on her classes, Paetzold dropped out for a while, and Venekamp has transferred.  I don't know about the others.  It will be interesting to see how the team does this weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 14, 2006, 02:50:42 PM
Stephens had some knee surgery and is rehabing to come back, and McEwen left school also.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The Departed on November 14, 2006, 04:02:37 PM
Quote from: fanstand on November 10, 2006, 08:41:59 PM
Why would a scrimmage be closed?  I have gone to other conference scrimmages just to watch, who cares? They are about to be filmed and out for everyone to see.....is there some secret lurking in the gym? Unless you got a secret weapon, I think this is still a free country. But was Coach K incognito? Or did he have on an HPU Lady basketball sweatshirt. Funny stuff!  Was glad to see two conference All Americans, but was sorry Symbri Tuttle not on the list.  If you have never seen her play, too bad for you, but she deserves the honor IMHO. She is very unselfish averaging 8 assists, that accounts for at least 16 points a game, and proved in the last game of the year she can score too, if needed.  She lead the nation in assists last year and is the "General" of the team. She has set all kinds of ASC records, so you go Sym, show em what they are missing.  Next week........the new journey begins..............................

The point of a closed scrimmage is for it to be closed to the public.  The public includes opposing coaches.  Evidently Coach K is a little scared going into this weekend...we will see who comes away smiling after Friday night.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 14, 2006, 05:09:07 PM
I think the only people that would be scared would be the ones who closed the scrimmage.  A scrimmage is only good for giving your players a chance to compete against someone other than yourselves and gives new players a chance to compete for a spot on the team.  It also helps you work on new plays as well as old.  Now if he or any other coach for any team was visiting practices, that would be one thing but a scrimmage is not worth throwing a fit over.  People could have easily come to watch them scrimmage Tarleton in Stephenville, which i'm sure some may have.  But they blew that opportunity if they didn't.

Coach K isn't scared of anybody especially Trinity.  Let them bring on whatever they want.  HPU is deeper than they have ever been and will easily beat Trinity.  Kind of like they did last year in the playoffs in Abilene.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 14, 2006, 05:15:28 PM
Thank you Dballa.  So The Departed, your saying that no fans, parents, media anybody was allowed at that scrimmage at Trinity?  That is what a closed scrimmage/practice would be.  Really, maybe you should have thought your response through a little before jumping on here.  Kudos to HPU for putting in the extra effort to be successful.  The Departed, maybe if your coaches worked a little harder you wouldn't have lost by 15 and would have made it further in the NCAA's.  Good luck on Friday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on November 15, 2006, 02:06:57 PM
This was my first visit to D3Hoops since the end of last season.  It is good to see the love already flowing!  The season has not even started and HPU and Coach K are already at the center of things!  ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 15, 2006, 03:45:00 PM
What do you think the chances are that Trinity will go 0-3 to start the season?  I know they are a very good team, but having to play @HPU friday night, @HSU saturday and then @UMHB on tuesday is quite a difficult way to start the season.  If each team can take care of business it may help the ASC gain some more respect!  Could be a very interesting week!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Borat...NOT on November 15, 2006, 04:07:54 PM
I think Trinity will come out of this tough stretch 2-1.  I think they will win one of the two games this weekend and then defeat UMHB soundly Tuesday.  They looked very good in the second half against Texas and really had some role players from last year step up and show some aggressiveness.  Look for defense to be the key to their success though.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 15, 2006, 04:16:13 PM
Trinity will have to win the games on defense and rebounding, both which are great strenghts for them.  UMHB has some very tough rebounders which may give them trouble.  I am not sure how that game will go, which UMHB team will show up for their first game of the season.  If history repeats, Trinity will win easily, but with most of their team back (minus Wurzbuch) from last year and some solid additions, it may be the UMHB team that finished the season.  We will just have to see how Tomlinson has come back from surgury.  She will be the difference maker.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 17, 2006, 12:10:13 PM
I want to take this opportunity to wish Coach K and the Lady Jackets good luck on the start of their season.  I am looking forward to a very exciting game in the coliseum!  Go get em!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 17, 2006, 02:09:24 PM
what other conference schools are in action tonight?  or really this weekend!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on November 17, 2006, 03:02:44 PM
LETS GO LADY JACKETS!!!!  Time to bust up ol' Trinity again! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 17, 2006, 04:06:58 PM
McMurry vs. Oneonta State at the Guilford NC tourney.

I hope they win so they can play Guilford on Saturday.  The other game is Bennett and Bennett (I don't think) is active D3.

I want the in-region win.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 07:05:01 PM
HPU and Trinity underway
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 07:14:52 PM
HPU 11  TU 4 14:43 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 07:18:01 PM
HPU 17 TU 4, 13:26
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 07:22:28 PM
HPU 17 TU 12, 10:27
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 07:25:06 PM
HPU 19 TU 12, 9:50
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 07:34:37 PM
HPU 28 TU 22, 4:55 LEFT
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Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 07:42:48 PM
HPU 45 TU 29, 1:02 LEFT
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 07:45:39 PM
HPU 45 TU 29 HALF
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 17, 2006, 08:09:25 PM
McMurry 80 Oneonta State 62 at the Guilford Tourney.

Oneonta went 12-4/21-8 in the SUNYAC last year.  I cannot find a Coaches Pre-season poll to find out how good they are this year!

Go LIB! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 08:11:53 PM
HPU 56 TU 35 14:37 LEFT SECOND HALF
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 08:16:27 PM
HPU 63 TU 37 11:36
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 08:21:03 PM
HPU 63 TU 39 9:17 LEFT
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 08:42:05 PM
We had a ref have a  seizure during the game, please keep him in your prayers.  Not sure if the game is going to be ended or not.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 09:15:59 PM
Game on HPU 65 TU 39 7 min left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm#1fan on November 17, 2006, 09:17:19 PM
Ralph-is that the final for McM?  Thoughts and prayers go to the ref at the HPU-Trinity game
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 09:19:44 PM
HPU 67 TU 45, 5:03 LEFT
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 17, 2006, 09:29:49 PM
Update from Guilford (Final):

McMurry led 43-34 at the half.
Ten lead changes with the last having McMurry going ahead 23-20 with 6:40 left in the first half.  McMurry pulls away 23-14 from that 20-20 tie to end the half.

McMurry stats in the first half:
FG 47% 3FG 58% (7-12)
Second half:
FG 50% 3FG 28% (2-7)

Oneonta State
FG 52% 3FG 33%
Second half:
17%  3FGs 0-8 but 16-18 on FT's.
Apparently, McMurry's defense had Oneonta State exhausted.

Two double doubles for McMurry:

Tarra Richardson -- 21 points and 11 boards
Symbri Tuttle -- 10 points and 10 assists in 31 minutes.  (The assists were given by the Guilford SID, the official scorer.)
Maigen Sawyer -- 16 points.
Off the bench -- 22 points.
Fast Break -- 10 points.

McMurry had 5 freshmen on the floor to finish the game.

All 13 players played.  McMurry had 10 players score and 8 had double digit minutes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 09:32:59 PM
HPU 76 TU 45 FINAL, Ref was taken to the ER no news, scary incident.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 17, 2006, 10:15:19 PM
Great game tonight by the Lady Jackets.  Coach K's squad sure looked like a conference champion out there tonight.  Trinity has some really good shooters and some good post play inside but HPU controlled the game from the start.

Everybody's thoughts and prayers need to go out to Paul Simms(sp?) and his family tonight.  It was definitely a scary situation.  Neither team wanted to finish the game and wanted to end it as is since HPU was up by quite a bit late in the game.  But for the game to count they would have to finish it tonight or finish another time.  Since Trinity plays HSU tomorrow night it was best to go ahead and get it over with.

I wouldn't be surprised if HSU beat Trinity pretty easily Saturday night.  I just don't think they'll be able to get back in the frame of mind to play a good game of basketball the day after what happened tonight.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2006, 08:48:26 AM
One of the highlights for the McMurry Women's basketball team at the Guilford Tip-off Tourney is to get an excellent lecture on the Batttle of Guilford Courthouse by McM History porfessor Bob Wetteman whose Master's thesis was on that battle.

He should bring that portion of history alive for them.

Travel safely! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2006, 08:23:13 PM
Great game by McMurry today.  78-44 win over Guilford (http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=5048&scoreboard).

We were able to shut down their outside game.

Tarra Richardson had 25 points and was MVP.  Tuttle and Sawyer make the All-tourney team.

Symbri Tuttle only played 19 minutes and had 5 assists before giving way to 2 freshmen backup PG's

Four players had 8 points (Sawyer, Nelson, Horton and Sandra Lewis)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 18, 2006, 08:51:19 PM
So was the team inspired by Dr. Wettemann's lecture?  He could have a new job as official pre-game lecturer for the rest  of the season!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2006, 08:54:43 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on November 18, 2006, 08:51:19 PM
So was the team inspired by Dr. Wettemann's lecture?  He could have a new job as official pre-game lecturer for the rest  of the season!

If he is so good that he needs to refresh his notes on the creation of the game of basketball for a McMurry women's appearance in Springfield, MA next March, then so be it! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 19, 2006, 12:32:20 AM
HSU 84 Trinity 67.  Looks like Trinity had a tough weekend!  Could their hype be done?  These two losses will be haunting them all season.  Time to being the uphill battle!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 19, 2006, 05:41:25 PM
One of my HSU friends watched the Cowgirls take apart Trinity.  He said Trinity didn't look like they were ready to start the season and didn't even manage a score for the first three or four minutes.  The Cowgirls, on the other hand, he described as looking ready to take on anyone.  He especially noted the defense, which repeatedly blocked Trinity shots or intercepted their passes.  Jeni Hobbs, a transfer from Stetson, a D1 school, replaced Sonya West in the starting lineup.  This report is from an HSU fan, of course, but it looks like another tough HSU team for the coming season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on November 19, 2006, 06:15:47 PM
 8) nice way to "30 piece 'em"  Jackets!  :o   lets take it on the road to Ozark! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2006, 06:26:10 PM
Ozarks lost to John Carroll from the OAC, picked to finish 7th of 10 in that very strong conference, but defeated North Central, picked to finish 5th in the CCIW, a respectable conference.

This should be a good game to measure the ASC-East.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 19, 2006, 11:34:43 PM
Regarding the Trinity/HSU game.  I don't know how accurate it could be.  Trinity played a tough game against HPU the night before in which they saw a referee go down with a seizure and a lot of them got sick and were emotionally upset.  I'm sure that took a lot out of them playing back to back games against Top 25 teams.

HPU routed them and played a great game, which i'm excited to see, but Trinity still has some really good plays and has a good team.  They play tough hard nosed defense and rebound very well.  I just don't know how much energy they would have had after playing HPU the night before.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on November 20, 2006, 10:53:24 AM
Quote from: dballa on November 19, 2006, 11:34:43 PM
Regarding the Trinity/HSU game.  I don't know how accurate it could be.  Trinity played a tough game against HPU the night before in which they saw a referee go down with a seizure and a lot of them got sick and were emotionally upset.  I'm sure that took a lot out of them playing back to back games against Top 25 teams.

HPU routed them and played a great game, which i'm excited to see, but Trinity still has some really good plays and has a good team.  They play tough hard nosed defense and rebound very well.  I just don't know how much energy they would have had after playing HPU the night before.

dballa.....let's not give HSU any credit for soundly defeating Trinity Saturday after HPU defeated them Friday nite.    Maybe Trinity should just forfiet to UMHB tonight since they have been routed by 2 top 25 teams in a row and don't have any energy left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on November 20, 2006, 04:15:11 PM
Quote from: pirateonthebrazos on November 20, 2006, 10:53:24 AM
Quote from: dballa on November 19, 2006, 11:34:43 PM
Regarding the Trinity/HSU game.  I don't know how accurate it could be.  Trinity played a tough game against HPU the night before in which they saw a referee go down with a seizure and a lot of them got sick and were emotionally upset.  I'm sure that took a lot out of them playing back to back games against Top 25 teams.

HPU routed them and played a great game, which i'm excited to see, but Trinity still has some really good plays and has a good team.  They play tough hard nosed defense and rebound very well.  I just don't know how much energy they would have had after playing HPU the night before.

dballa.....let's not give HSU any credit for soundly defeating Trinity Saturday after HPU defeated them Friday nite.    Maybe Trinity should just forfiet to UMHB tonight since they have been routed by 2 top 25 teams in a row and don't have any energy left.

Great insight.  Gosh, we might as well crown HPU the conference champs now. 

No team beaten by HPU can play well is a subsequent game.  Man-law?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2006, 04:46:55 PM
Quote from: dballa on November 17, 2006, 10:15:19 PM
Great game tonight by the Lady Jackets.  Coach K's squad sure looked like a conference champion out there tonight.  Trinity has some really good shooters and some good post play inside but HPU controlled the game from the start.

Everybody's thoughts and prayers need to go out to Paul Simms(sp?) and his family tonight.  It was definitely a scary situation.  Neither team wanted to finish the game and wanted to end it as is since HPU was up by quite a bit late in the game.  But for the game to count they would have to finish it tonight or finish another time.  Since Trinity plays HSU tomorrow night it was best to go ahead and get it over with.

I wouldn't be surprised if HSU beat Trinity pretty easily Saturday night.  I just don't think they'll be able to get back in the frame of mind to play a good game of basketball the day after what happened tonight.

In all fairness to the Trinity and HPU players, dballa's post at 9:15 pm on Friday night, immediately after the game, shows a degree of concern for the ref.  That was pretty significant.  I cannot remember the last time I saw a basketball game stopped for a medical emergncy like that.

Let's see what Trinity does in the rest of the season. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 20, 2006, 05:13:21 PM
Weep no tears for Trinity.  Even if they lose Tuesday never count them out.   Kendra Anderson senior year they beat Trinity easily first game and didn't lose another game till they lost to Trinity in the national playoffs.

They may have lost their psche they had over the  ASC all together.  HSU beat they in women's soccer also. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Borat...NOT on November 20, 2006, 05:39:43 PM
Speaking of the ref, has anyone heard how he is doing?  I was at the game and it was a very scary sight...the arena was silent for almost a half hour. 

As for the basketball, HPU came out the more aggressive and better basketball team.  Trinity had no answer to Meia Daniels and although they fought back halfway through the first half to cut it to a 2pt lead, the result was never in doubt for Howard Payne.  Anytime they needed a basket, they had no problem getting one.  All that being said, I wouldn't count Trinity out for the rest of the year.  They have some things they need to improve on but the talent is there.  Tomorrow night is a huge game for Trinity, does anyone know if there will be live stats or online broadcasting?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 21, 2006, 11:39:30 AM
I don't think anyone is counting out Trinity, nor has anyone said so.  It is very possible that after a tough weekend against some very tough ASC schools that Trinity will regroup and remotivate.  I heard a great quote by Billy Donovan today on ESPN, "If you don't come in everyday with something to prove, then you won't improve."  That may be what happened to Trinity, they didn't feel they had anything to prove, that they should win solely because they are Trinity.  Not so!  If they took advantage of a practice, it could be a slaughter tonight at UMHB.  I would venture to say it will be a hard fought game.  I am very interested to see how UMHB fares.  Now, with all that said, I would like to open up the debate that the ASC is a tougher conference than the SCAC.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2006, 02:18:23 PM
Quote from: thundercat on November 21, 2006, 11:39:30 AM
I don't think anyone is counting out Trinity, nor has anyone said so.  It is very possible that after a tough weekend against some very tough ASC schools that Trinity will regroup and remotivate.  I heard a great quote by Billy Donovan today on ESPN, "If you don't come in everyday with something to prove, then you won't improve."  That may be what happened to Trinity, they didn't feel they had anything to prove, that they should win solely because they are Trinity.  Not so!  If they took advantage of a practice, it could be a slaughter tonight at UMHB.  I would venture to say it will be a hard fought game.  I am very interested to see how UMHB fares.  Now, with all that said, I would like to open up the debate that the ASC is a tougher conference than the SCAC.  Any thoughts?

The SCAC debate is a good one.  DePauw and Trinity are the cream of the SCAC.  Trinity has a national Championship in 2003 and Depauw easily dispatched a Kendra Anderson-led HSU team 84-60 in the Elite 8 in 2002.  So, this decade, the SCAC has 2 different Final Four teams and a National Champion and the ASC only HSU.  Advantage/SCAC.

In 2004, HSU lost in the Elite 8, DePauw in the second round.  Advantage HSU/SCAC.

In 2005, HPU lost in Brownwood to Trinity in the first round of the playoffs.  Advantage Trinity/SCAC.

In 2006, the Final Top 25 had DePauw #5, HSU #7, McMurry #18, HPU #22.  Probably a wash.  The ASC had 16 teams; the SCAC 10.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 21, 2006, 03:19:15 PM
Just to clear up any misunderstandings, I was not referring to debating the past.  I am well aware of the accomplishments of Trinity and Depauw as well as HSU.  My statement goes to beginning the debate for this year.  And yes, I know, we can't tell much thus far in the season and will continue to find more out as the season progresses, but wanted to put the thought out there.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2006, 10:28:20 PM
Southwestern 66, HSU 64 OT   :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2006, 10:30:02 PM
Trinity 84 at UMHB 81
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2006, 11:15:17 PM
This is incredible!

One in-region losses--

Hardin-Simmons
UMHB

Two in-region losses--

Trinity

The hard thing for incoming freshmen to understand is that an in-region loss hurts you when it comes to the playoffs.   This is not high school where 3 teams from an a 6-team conference get in.  There are only 19 Pool C (at-large) bids to go around for 39 D3 conferences!!!

The way it looks now, Trinity must win the SCAC to get to the Tourney, because those 2 in-region losses are going to hurt in the regional rankings.  Pool C just got farther beyond their reach!  Look at what HSU and HPU and Trinity had for records, even by early February.

The take-home lesson for you McMurry and you HPU players as well, is the HSU just got their wake-up call.  They are already one loss behind McMurry and HPU in South Region records.  Can you imagine that HSU bus ride back from Southwestern tonight?  Southwestern!  You cannot take them lightly any more.  They may be the new SCAC power in the State!

The conference had better imagine that they are hearing that same "motivational' lecture that the Cowgirls heard tonight, because they are coming for you!

For you McMurry! For you HPU!  And you UMHB and everyone else!

This is going to be fun! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 22, 2006, 08:10:26 AM
Ralph,
I find it a bit hard to follow your logic.  HSU lost in OT with some key players out with injuries.  It's a non-conference game.  And you think that might affect their chances for the playoffs?  Last year they got knocked out of the conference tournament early, and they still got a bid to the playoffs -- and went to the Final Four.  For the NCAA to not give them a Pool C bid with their reputation and last year's record, it seems to me they would need to lose a lot more games than this one.  This is probably the best of all possible worlds: a non-conference loss early in the season to concentrate everyone's minds for the games that count.
What is interesting is what the score says about Southwestern.  Weren't the Tigers pretty much also-rans last year?  What has changed for this year in Georgetown?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2006, 09:06:32 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on November 22, 2006, 08:10:26 AM
Ralph,
I find it a bit hard to follow your logic.  HSU lost in OT with some key players out with injuries.  It's a non-conference game.  And you think that might affect their chances for the playoffs?  Last year they got knocked out of the conference tournament early, and they still got a bid to the playoffs -- and went to the Final Four.  For the NCAA to not give them a Pool C bid with their reputation and last year's record, it seems to me they would need to lose a lot more games than this one.  This is probably the best of all possible worlds: a non-conference loss early in the season to concentrate everyone's minds for the games that count.
What is interesting is what the score says about Southwestern.  Weren't the Tigers pretty much also-rans last year?  What has changed for this year in Georgetown?

Good morning, mcmfan!  Have a happy Thanksgiving!

I have not perused the box score.  Which key HSU players are injured or out?

The in-region loss to Southwestern will be a key factor in Pool C and in seedings.

DePauw is the heavy favorite in the SCAC again this year.  So, I am thinking that Southwestern is actually competing for a Pool C, barring the upset of DePauw.  Southwestern has a relatively new coach from Wisconsin, Pam Ruder, a 1984 UW-Whitewater grad.

Southwestern hosts a big tourney in late December.

McM plays UW-Stout while Southwestern plays Concordia IL.  All four games are in-region.  The winner of that tourney will have cleared an impressive hurdle.

I don't know how deep the 19 Pool C bids are this year.  We have only one year's experience with that many Pool C bids.  While I think that Texas is one of 5 Women's hot beds for D3 Hoops, (we got 3 Pool C bids last year--HPU, Trinity and HSU), I want another years experience.

The hotbeds (IMHO) Maine, Midwest (think Big Ten) , eastern Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on November 22, 2006, 12:22:51 PM
6'1 post Jenni Hobbs did not suit up due to a back problem.  Shooting guard Lyssa Dennard played only about 6 minutes battling a flu bug.  Forward Shelby Hodges battled early foul trouble, she picked up her 4 th foul with 12 minutes left and had to sit.  6'1 post Melissa Contrucci fouled out with about 4 minutes to go HSU had only one starter on the floor for the last 4 minutes of the regular game and all of overtime and still nearly pulled it out. 
Hand it to Southwestern they got after us pretty good.  they hit some three's that got em back in the game and from then on the game was on against the depleted Cowgirls.
No excuses or whining from us...it was just one of those nights. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2006, 01:12:20 PM
Pirate, +1, thanks for the report!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm#1fan on November 25, 2006, 02:30:52 PM
Ralph, what is the score of the MCM game? Can't get the radio play by play on the web site!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 25, 2006, 02:36:11 PM
mcm ladies up 44-36 6 minutes left. symbri already broke record, coach subbing freely, playing well, but lots of fouls and turnovers, both ways.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 25, 2006, 02:37:06 PM
whoops 39-29 5 minutes left, somehow missed the score
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 25, 2006, 02:42:52 PM
47-31. 6 threes by mcm. 3 by freshman sandra lewis. sawyer has 14 points
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 25, 2006, 02:47:11 PM
halftime score 49-36 Mcm L.I.B. will give some stats when radio lets us know
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 25, 2006, 02:54:55 PM
Tarra 12pts. Maigen 14 pts, Sandra 9 pts. Symbri and Allie Nelson 5 pts. each and freshman Amanda peters 4 pts., Symbri with 8 assists already. Mcm outrebounds 27 to 9. McM evidently quite a bit taller.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 25, 2006, 03:45:08 PM
HPU 94 Ozarks 52 Final

Daniels with 22 pts 5 rbs(in 26 Mins) and Hoffman with 15 pts 9 rbs to lead the Lady Jackets.

All but 3 players played more than 10 mins in the game and the others played at least 5 mins.  Great way to start the conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 25, 2006, 03:52:50 PM
Final score 84-62. Second half shooting a little cold, but kept on fighting for rebounds and second chance points. Good game for L.I.B. When someone is off, others are picking up the slack. Jabri had 4 fouls in seven minutes, Nelson and Erica Peters did a good job. Sandra Lewis hit 4 threes. Hopefully we can keep this momentum up all year long!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on November 25, 2006, 10:40:08 PM
 Correction----Mississippi College lost to UMHB 73-72

HSU survived ETBSU.  Cowgirls payed pretty good at times, pretty bad at times. ETBSU is the kind of team that can make you look bad at times.  We were glad just to get out of there with the victory.   Shot terrible from the charity stripe - 9 of 20.  ETBSU is very athletic and quick and pretty deep on the bench.... look for them to give lots of teams trouble this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 25, 2006, 11:12:12 PM
Quote from: pirateonthebrazos on November 25, 2006, 10:40:08 PM
Correction----Mississippi College lost to UMHB 73-72

HSU survived ETBSU.  Cowgirls payed pretty good at times, pretty bad at times. ETBSU is the kind of team that can make you look bad at times.  We were glad just to get out of there with the victory.   Shot terrible from the charity stripe - 9 of 20.  ETBSU is very athletic and quick and pretty deep on the bench.... look for them to give lots of teams trouble this year.

Fortunately they are on the East.  The West will be a meat grinder!

It looks like there are at least 4 teams on the West.  Trinity only beat UMHB in its first game, and Trinity's 3rd.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 25, 2006, 11:13:50 PM
Sorry the score I posted about the MC/UMHB game was from their website and they had originally posted MC won the game before they posted any kind of stats. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 28, 2006, 03:01:39 PM
You gotta love it when the ASC has 3 teams in the Top 15 in the nation. 

I know it's early and I forget every year but when do the regional rankings start coming out?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2006, 03:52:45 PM
Quote from: dballa on November 28, 2006, 03:01:39 PM
You gotta love it when the ASC-WEST has 3 teams in the Top 15 in the nation. 

I know it's early and I forget every year but when do the regional rankings start coming out?

Hello, dballa!  The Regional Rankings will come out the last 4 weeks of the regular season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 28, 2006, 05:29:10 PM
Thanks Ralph I figured it was in the last part of conference play but wasn't sure. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 29, 2006, 09:53:25 AM
How long do you all believe you will have 3 teams in the top 15? I think its good to have 3 teams but the chances of all of them being there at the end, once conference play starts and they start beating up on each other might cut one out of the top 25.  If the postseason were to start right now.  I don't think all 3 would get in with the strength of the great lakes area and northeast getting a more at-large bids.  I could see 2 from here but not 3.  I say continue on and continue to make the south proud.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 29, 2006, 11:12:06 AM
After Monday and this three game stretch for McM and HSU, bet there may be only 2 teams from the West left in the top 15. We'll see. Go L.I.B. My money is on you!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 29, 2006, 03:06:19 PM
Well, there is no doubt that the December 4th game will be great.  If HSU loses I would imagine that they would drop below #15.  If McMurry would lose, I am not sure how much of an effect it would have on their ranking.  Maybe just a couple of spots, if any. 

I am very interested to see how MCM does in their first potential close game.  I really don't see Mississippi College beating either team on the road.  Such tough places to play.  If these games were at MC then I think it could sway MC's way.

You want to talk about a tough stretch of the season, look at HPU's schedule!  They play MCM and HSU back to back weeks.  1/25 @HSU, 1/27 @ MCM, 2/1 vs. HSU, 2/3 vs. MCM.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 29, 2006, 05:13:42 PM
The only way HSU drops out of the top 20 is if they lose to MC and McM, bet ya. If McM loses any contest they'll drop like a rock. Hpu's schedule is tougher during that stretch, but they got to play them twice.  I would like if they got to make one of those rounds earlier in the season and then again at the end, it would tell more about improvement on each team.  I've only seen McM play this year so until next Monday I can't offer opinions on how the other teams look.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LUMAN80 on November 29, 2006, 05:29:04 PM
agreed
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on November 30, 2006, 09:50:59 AM
I have posted a few times on the men's board and look at it frequently so I can keep up with everything, but have fell behing on the women's side. I am sure if I read back i could find the answer to these questions, but honestly i don't have the patience.  I am sure the traditional teams (HSU, MCM) will be good again, but who will win the east and who is the best player in the conference.  I know there were two ladies from MCM and HSU on the preseason all-american team. Is the Palmerez girl from MC on the same level as they are. I think I saw where she scored like 43 pts the other night. just trying to catch up. any info would be appreciated.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 30, 2006, 11:15:13 AM
Well kid nice, I am sure we all would love to help you out and get your questions answered, but the east is pretty unrepresented on this board.  I will speak for myself and am sure others would agree, we would love some posters to fill us in and join the debate from the east perspective. 

As for top teams this year, MCM, HSU and HPU are all in the top 15 in the nation.  I, to no surprise, would say that HPU is the best team out of those three.  Only the season will prove me right or wrong.  As for the east, it is looking like MC is down with a loss to UMHB, but we will see how they do tonight and saturday at MCM and HSU.  I would guess ETBU would have to be toward the top of the east as well.  They have had great  young talent in the past and may be coming into their own this year.  They play @ HPU tonight I believe. 

That is just my opinion, I am sure many will disagree with some/all of it, but hey, isn't that what this board is for?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 30, 2006, 05:52:02 PM
also, is UT-Tyler eligible for post season play this year?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 30, 2006, 05:56:55 PM
Quote from: thundercat on November 30, 2006, 05:52:02 PM
also, is UT-Tyler eligible for post season play this year?

No, 2007-08 for all sports.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 06:34:23 PM
ETBU and HPU is underway.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 06:37:33 PM
ETBU is coming out firing, ETBU 10 HPU 0 17:44 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 06:41:56 PM
HPU might have woke up,
ETBU 12 HPU 6
15:43 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 06:52:34 PM
ETBU 14 HPU 12
9:26 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 07:00:45 PM
HPU 29 ETBU 17
4:53 left

HPU went on a 22-2 run.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 07:10:07 PM
HPU 34 ETBU 23 Half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 07:12:33 PM
Any other scores?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm#1fan on November 30, 2006, 07:19:38 PM
McM-53- MC-28 SYmbri has 9 pts-7 assists-
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 07:33:28 PM
HPU 40 ETBU 29
14:58 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 07:44:20 PM
HPU 51 ETBU 34
9:28 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 07:52:56 PM
HPU 62 ETBU 36
4:21 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 08:03:36 PM
HPU 76 ETBU 39 Final
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 08:22:02 PM
Anybody got a McM or HSU final?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 30, 2006, 08:31:36 PM
Cowgirls win at home over LC   84-44.

Lots of girls in the scoring column.   

Saturday night is the first battle of the season.   Last two years the Cowgirls have not been ready for a December showdown.  Bet the coach is mindful of that.  I got to say hello to coach Briggs at homecoming.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 08:52:12 PM
Where is Mr. Coleman or Ralph and the McM score???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 30, 2006, 10:49:17 PM
A little colon cleansing done by the Lady Jackets tonight in Brownwood.  They even gave ETBU a 12 pt lead to start the game and they still couldn't keep it close.  If HSU can only beat that team by 5 points they have some trouble ahead from the ladies in B-town. 

GO LADY JACKETS!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on December 01, 2006, 01:58:20 PM
Looks like the Lady Jackets have come out swinging!  But the season is early...keep focused on one game at a time. 

KEEP IT UP JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 01, 2006, 03:54:05 PM
The McM - MC College final score was McM 87, MC 62. 

I thought the Lady McMs (we can't call outselves Indians anymore, right?) were very strong; the lead was over twenty for most of the game and decreased at the end only because Sam put in all new players who even then looked pretty good.  I'm not a basketball expert, but it appeared to me that we had a much stronger outside game than in past years: several players who can hit 3's besides Maigen Sawyer.  The obvious question is, is McM as good as its national rating or is MC weaker than it was last year?  The obvious answer to that question will be the matchup Monday night between McM and HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2006, 06:45:42 PM
mcmfan, how many people do you think will attend the HSU McM game?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 01, 2006, 06:54:36 PM
Dballa,  it might just  be a little early to be comparing scores just yet.  HPU is having a great start.  But I will remind you (and I know you guys hate it when I do) that last year showed that it is not how you start but how you finish.  Can you say final four.  If the Cowgirls don't do well at least I got that in once.

When you look at the shedule you have to ask if it is to Hpu advantage not to play MCM or HSU till late January.   What it will probally mean is that they will likely be undefeated when they come to Abilene.  Your national rating will be top ten I predict.   When they leave town,  we will see.   Lots of basketball to play before then.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 01, 2006, 07:08:57 PM
I looked at the schedule again.   In two weeks HPU will play four games against HSU and MCM.   If they run that table then my hat will be off to to the Yellowjacket Ladies.   

My prediction now is that it will play much like last year,  no one team taking charge.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 01, 2006, 07:09:51 PM
I assume a bunch will be at the McM-HSU game.  Attendance at the McM-MC game was fairly sparse, I suspect in part because of the weather.  A lot of older fans and alumni didn't show up, and I'm figuring that was because of the icy roads.  Everything should be fine by Monday.  I, myself, may miss the game, though, because it's my wife's birthday and she wants me to take her out to dinner!  Can I persuade her to eat in the HSU cafeteria during halftime...?   :-[
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 01, 2006, 08:50:07 PM
Calhsu,
I'll agree that who wins the last game is key.  But last year the rankings didn't matter that much (at least for the top four teams in the west) because the conference tournament was in the east.  This year, it will be in the west, so the top team gets to host -- and that could mean a better chance of winning that final game than the west had last year when all four west teams were playing what were essentially away games in the tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 02:06:01 PM
LeTourneau and HPU is underway
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 02:10:25 PM
HPU 9 ETBU 3, 15:35 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 02:13:21 PM
HPU 12 ETBU 5
14:32 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 02:22:56 PM
HPU 20 ETBU 7
9:50 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 02:27:28 PM
HPU 24 LeT 9
7:55 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 02:27:51 PM
Sorry I forgot the abbreviation for LeT.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 02:35:02 PM
HPU 31 LeT 9
4:06 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 02:43:48 PM
HPU 43 LeT 20 Half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2006, 02:47:52 PM
McM 36 LaCollege 18, Late 1st quarter.

The URL for LeTourneau University is www.letu.edu.

LeTU seems pretty good.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2006, 02:56:19 PM
McM 51 LaCollege 29 at the half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 03:03:40 PM
HPU 51 LeTU 21
17:00 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 03:16:35 PM
HPU 68 LeTU 27
9:58 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 03:30:52 PM
HPU 75 LeTU 29
4:41 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 03:40:17 PM
HPU 84 LeTU 33 Final
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 03:44:28 PM
Ralph any McM score?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 02, 2006, 04:12:49 PM
Final:  McM 95 LC 53
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 04:32:05 PM
Anybody have an HSU score?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on December 02, 2006, 04:33:40 PM
What's happening at HSU?  ???
I have been following on the GameTracker. That showed 44-26 at halftime over an hour ago. Now it shows the same score as a final.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 05:28:53 PM
Anything on HSU yet, was that score at halftime?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on December 02, 2006, 05:33:18 PM
That was the halftime score, but then showed as the final.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 02, 2006, 07:27:04 PM
The big McM-HSU matchup is Monday.  Last season, I tried to guess the outcome of the second game between the two teams, comparing the relative point spreads against teams they both played leading up to the match.  Last time, HSU was beating opponents by a higher point margin than McM, and they went on to win the matchup.  Here's the spread this time around, if anyone is interested:

            McM                  HSU           
LeT  84-62    +22     79-55    +24
MC   87-62    +25     80-55    +35
LC   95-53    +42      88-48    +40
total             +89                +99

It shows HSU with a 10-point advantage, mainly from comparison of the two scores with MC.  It should be interesting Monday night, if only to see if these kinds of point comparisons have any relevance at all to reality!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 02, 2006, 07:29:06 PM
watch out for that McMurry math 80-55 is 25 pts ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2006, 09:40:58 PM
Quote from: dballa on December 02, 2006, 07:29:06 PM
watch out for that McMurry math 80-55 is 25 pts ;)

Do you know how hard it is to get him to "grade on the curve"?

;) :D ;D :) 8)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 03, 2006, 11:21:59 AM
dballa,
You're right -- and that makes the numbers dead even!  Good thing I teach history and not math...   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 03, 2006, 11:37:42 AM
well i'm glad you can laugh about what i said obviously someone else can't since i lost a karma point on that comment ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 03, 2006, 12:50:18 PM
I'll step out there and go with my ladies from McM tomorrow night. Based on they are my favorite team and I want them to win. I look forward to Pat's opinion after tomorrow, since he has gotten to see the top three teams play. He is probably the most unbiased, unless someone has fed him better BBQ (Underwood, Joe Allen's or Sharon Allen's) The season is still young and I think all three teams are as good or even better than last year. Since the tourney is in the West this year and the travel won't be so tiring, it will be a survival of the fittest.  Can't wait until tomorrow, and hopefully we will be even stronger than yesterday. I say Mcm by 9,
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on December 04, 2006, 05:04:00 PM
Wow, what a game it will be....

only an hour and a half before tip...

I am out of here from work..

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 04, 2006, 07:06:04 PM
Is anyone else having the same problem?

That is...the gametracker is locked up with the score 7-3 McM.

And the "server is not working" when I attempt to hear the game through D3's stream.

Anyone know the score of the W game?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 04, 2006, 07:23:23 PM
Finally got the audio.

Halftime:

29-27 HSU over McM.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 04, 2006, 08:20:00 PM
Final 61-56 McM...

Close game all the way.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on December 04, 2006, 10:58:55 PM
what was the deal with Henley (or Contrussi) tonight?  I would have expected more out of a senior leader on the HSU team.  Did Mcm just play that great of defense on her or was she just not on?  I would love to know more details about the game.  I would have guessed it would have been a higher scoring affair.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUats on December 05, 2006, 02:01:27 AM
Defense On Henley/Contruci Was Very Tough, The Other Players Had Trouble Even Getting The Ball Down Low To Her And Hobbs. Melissa Also Had Some Early Foul Troubles.

I Am Proud How My Cowgirls Battled Back From An Early Deficit, And Were Able To Keep It Close.

I Look Forward To The Next Cross Town Rivalry!

Go Cowgirls!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 05, 2006, 03:44:56 AM
Congratulations to McMurry.  The game was everything that you could want in an early season match-up.  Yes, the teams were a little ragged, but the intensity was playoff quality.

Pirate--congratulations on the game your daughter had.

I was very impressed with the play of the new players to the team this year.

Unsung hero of the game...McM Freshman backup point guard Courtney Wolfe!

With about 12+ minutes left in the game, (my candidate for All-American point guard) Symbri Tuttle picks up her 4th foul.  Coach Nichols quickly subs Wolfe for Tuttle and Courtney runs the offense for 5 minutes.  One turnover, one assist and she never drops a beat during the crucial middle of the second half against the #9 team in the nation.  After 5 solid minutes on the bench, watching the clock wind down, Tuttle is able to come back into the game and finishes.

Courtney, you may not get as many minutes as you might like this year, but we McM fans know that you can do the job this year when you are called upon, and that it is your job to take when Symbri graduates!  Sit back this year when you are not playing and learn the conference.  Load your notebook with tendencies, strengths and weaknesses on the players that you see.  Pick Symbri's brain and Coaches Nichols' and Densman's, too.   We need you to be the general on the court next year!

Finally, it was good to see all of my HSU friends.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on December 05, 2006, 10:38:18 AM
Congrats to McMurry, you played a great defensive ballgame that kept us looking for answers in the 2cd half and none came. 
Ralph, you were dead on as to the 5 or so minutes when Tuttle and Richardson were on the bench.  HSU should have took full advantage of that but did not.
Both teams were horrible from the free thow line--HSU 12 of 24..,MCM 9 of 18. ....We will be outside on the driveway this weekend for sure. 

Thanks for the Kudos for the daughter...Surprised Briggs did not go deeper on her bench as HSU was tired down the stretch.

One thing we learned last year is that it is a long, long, season and lots can and will happen.  Enjoy the games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 05, 2006, 01:28:11 PM
Well, I called it. Had Amanda Peters got her lay-up and had we made a couple of free throws in the first half, we would of had my point spread!. But don't beat yourself up Amanda, the adrenaline was overpowering.  It was way intense..crowd was the best I've seen. There wasn't alot of subbing by either coach but the season is early. This does not define the season by any means. And McM is well aware this game is just that, a game, though it is a sweet victory, it's back to work.  I'm exhausted. I know it is hard on the bench when they don't play, especially in such a contest as that, but their time is coming and there will be plenty of opportunities. Different nights, different strategies. Allie Nelson may have surprised them, but we knew she was coming on strong. I'm very proud of L.I.B. Relax and rest up, then onward. Maybe next week we'll break the top ten.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 05, 2006, 01:42:46 PM
Quote from: pirateonthebrazos on December 05, 2006, 10:38:18 AM
...Surprised Briggs did not go deeper on her bench as HSU was tired down the stretch.

One thing we learned last year is that it is a long, long, season and lots can and will happen.  Enjoy the games.

Pirate, HSU SID was right.  That game had the feel of late-season intensity.  Maybe that is why Coach Briggs did not go deeper into her bench.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUats on December 05, 2006, 04:40:58 PM
Quote from: pirateonthebrazos on December 05, 2006, 10:38:18 AM
...Surprised Briggs did not go deeper on her bench as HSU was tired down the stretch.
I would have like to see some of the bench players from HSU see a little more playing time, whether it be Laci Walker and her defense or ability to grab rebounds, or Steinberger's defense, or the offensive ability of Rachael Singletary.

But none the less i am not the coach and think the game was coach very well on both sides. Again, i look forward to the next meeting at McM and other future meetings
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 06, 2006, 01:02:21 PM
CUA's in the middle of a tough stretch. We lost by 4 to UTT after tying the game at 70 with less than a minute left (if I recall correctly). Then we lost to Menlo College (#12 in NAIA Division II) on a literal last-second buzzer-beater 67-68. Hopefully we can bounce back tomorrow night against Huston-Tillotson before taking on UTD on Saturday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 06, 2006, 01:12:05 PM
CUAfan, thanks for the post.  We don't get very many CUA fans posting on here.  It sure would be great to get more insight from you guys.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 06, 2006, 01:19:35 PM
No prob. Posting on here had been on my to-do list for a while.

I don't think anyone's going to really enjoy playing us this season. While we're not the most athletic team by any stretch, we play hard for the whole 40 minutes and play tough defense (we "held" UTT's Stanley to 16 points, for what that's worth).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2006, 07:32:58 PM
fanstand, it was great to see you Monday night!

Your daughter is doing a wonderful job with the conditioning of the team.

FG % for the game

HSU: 1st half:  10-24 (41.7%); 2nd half:  9-28 (32.1%) 19-52  (36.5%)

McM: 1st half:  10-24 (41.7%); 2nd half: 14-27 (51.9%) 24-51 (47.1%)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2006, 07:33:59 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on December 06, 2006, 01:19:35 PM
No prob. Posting on here had been on my to-do list for a while.

I don't think anyone's going to really enjoy playing us this season. While we're not the most athletic team by any stretch, we play hard for the whole 40 minutes and play tough defense (we "held" UTT's Stanley to 16 points, for what that's worth).

+1 Karma, CUAfan.  Please keep posting!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 07, 2006, 05:26:10 PM
Well, if you insist....  ;D

I think we'll be challenging for the West title in a couple years, I think. We only have something like 5 upperclassmen on this year's squad and only two of them get significant minutes. Not to mention that Kassandra Bills is one of the top scorers in the conference as a sophomore (a bit too Iverson-esque for my taste though) and we've got a solid and improving post in Jackie Eddins, all we're really short is someone who can rebound even a little bit like McMurry's Richardson.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on December 07, 2006, 05:56:58 PM
The biggest thing CUA needs to focus on is player retention.  They have had some very good players in the past and haven't been able to hold on to them.  Now, what the reason for their departure is one can only speculate, I have my ideas, but that is why they have such a young team.  Should all the young players actually stick around, maybe they will be near the top of the conference sometime down the road, but I would have to say that they are further off then a couple of years.  HSU, HPU and MCM didn't get there in a couple of years.  It is a building process and with those three schools maintaining their level of competition, it will be hard for any school to get in there and beat them out.

Now, let me say this, I would not be surprised if CUA is able to sneak up and beat one of the top schools at their place.  If they could get even 50 fans of their own in that shoebox of a gym it would be a very difficult place to play.  CUAfan, where is your student body at the games?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 07, 2006, 06:02:38 PM
I know what you mean, thundercat. The only reason for losing a player that I know of was when we lost Danielle Barnett to UTD. She left because our then-assistant coach McKinney left to take the head job at Schreiner. I guess she was only here 'cause of McKinney and didn't like Sharp much.

As far as our student body goes, at this point in the season I'd bet a lot of 'em are either (a) working nights or (b) working on end-of-semester projects and whatnot. We had a pretty good turnout for UTT as far as I could tell. I think we had about 50 fans total for our Monday nighter against Menlo College. I think the problem's more that the fans who do show up aren't terribly vocal, rather than they just don't show up.

I have noticed from volleyball, though, that we tend to be out-drawn by our visitors, especially nearby ones like TLU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2006, 09:23:42 PM
George Levecque (http://www.reporter-news.com/cr/cda/player/1,1272,ABIL_49417_176_211,00.html) interviews McMurry Coach Sam Nichols after the McM win over HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUats on December 07, 2006, 09:53:14 PM
i didn't catch the 2nd half of the HSU/Ozarks girls game so i'm not sure how it turned out

Quote from: HSUats on December 05, 2006, 04:40:58 PM
I would have like to see some of the bench players from HSU see a little more playing time, whether it be Laci Walker and her defense or ability to grab rebounds

But i did catch the 1st half and hear that laci walker had 13 points in 12 minutes, maybe Coach Briggs reads these posts ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 07, 2006, 10:11:39 PM
Cowgirls won, by ten points or so. :D

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 07, 2006, 10:13:04 PM
...and Laci Walker had her best (ever) game...scoring 23 or 24 points as I recall.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2006, 11:14:52 PM
HSU 83 UOz 67 (http://www.ozarks.edu/athletics/wbasketball/schedule/default.asp)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 08, 2006, 12:09:05 PM
CUA 74, Huston-Tillotson 81

I think it was the first zone D we'd faced all year (HTU played 1-3-1 most of the game). I'll give HTU's coach credit, she stuck a 5-8 or so girl up top against our 5-4ish point guards. Pretty much wrecked our offense for most of the night.

I'm concerned about how this week is gonna mess with our girls' heads. Three losses by a combined 10 points in the course of six days can't be good for their psychology, especially when the first two were final-minute heartbreakers.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUats on December 08, 2006, 05:51:53 PM
Quote from: dsc on December 07, 2006, 10:13:04 PM
...and Laci Walker had her best (ever) game...scoring 23 or 24 points as I recall.

I'm very glad laci walker got so much playing time, shes proved her self several times, and hopefully Briggs will see how much of a hardworker she is. i know everyone of these girls personally and know that everyone of them work so very hard. i'm proud of them all

Go Cowgirls
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 08, 2006, 07:48:36 PM
HPU 38 Fisk Univeristy 9 Half

Fisk is shooting 15% from the floor and 11 % from three point land. HPU is shooting 50% form the floor and 20% from three point land. HPU defense is wearing Fisk out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 08, 2006, 09:12:50 PM
HPU 79 Fisk 23 Final
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUats on December 09, 2006, 12:45:11 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on December 08, 2006, 09:12:50 PM
HPU 79 Fisk 23 Final
Good win for HPU, i think ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on December 10, 2006, 07:48:25 PM
It was a good win for HPU, and an expected win.  Fisk isn't at the level of any the ASC elites.  Still it is a great boost for HPU as they gear up to play the East Div Leader UT Tyler and probably their toughest opponent since beating Trinity.

Good Luck Girls!   :)
Bust some heads...figuratively speaking of course!  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 11, 2006, 12:28:18 PM
CUA 60, UTD 55

Lookout(:P), we might have a legit post presence on our hands in Jackie Eddins (20 points, 11 rebounds). I want to see how she does when she has to face Tarra Richardson on Jan. 13.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 12, 2006, 01:45:44 PM
New polls out today has McM at 9 and HPU at 12, while HSU is at 14. Not sure if I agree with McM and HSU switching spots. I'll admit McM got a good win and should move up in the polls but 5 spots? I know it will change again but I'm sure the trip to Tejas that Pat made helped publicize McM considering his rankings of the state he made. It will be interesting to see how HPU plays both teams in late January.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2006, 02:45:27 PM
Seth, Pat Coleman saw HPU and Meia Daniels as well.  Did you hear the podcast with Coach K?

The Tour de Tejas fell together very nicely (for HPU's sake) for Pat.  There were several components to it.

1)  Ranked Miss College men were at McMurry/HSU that weekend. (Thursday)
2)  Trinity and Southwestern were in town this weekend.  (Friday/Sunday)  Trinity Women were ranked in the pre-season.
3)  Since there was no Quarterfinals football game at UMHB, HSU, Trinity or another Texas venue on Saturday, he could take in another basketball game.  So the Ranked HPU women were next up, in Brownwood!
4)  The HSU-McMurry rivalry games, which he got to broadcast.  He has described the HSU-McM rivalry as the "most fervent" rivalry of the intra-city rivalries in all of D3.  That is a feather in the cap for Abilene.  When he sees that HPU women and HSU women played before 1500 fans, then he knows what that means.

He saw 8 schools, 16 teams and 10 games.  He had never seen 5 of the schools in person.  He picked up 3 new venues for basketball: Brownwood, Georgetown and San Antonio.

The idea behind the Tour de Tejas was to give him a very good idea of the quality of basketball that we play.  That gives more validity to the rankings, so that when HPU plays the other two teams, he will have a very good idea of the quality.

This seems to have been a real win/win/win for the ASC, the SCAC and Texas D3 basketball.

As for the rankings, he just flipped McM and HSU.  HPU is still in the hunt and climbing when another/higher-ranked team loses a game it should not lose.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 12, 2006, 02:54:47 PM
Ralph on your last point about moving higher when a higher seed loses.  Mary Washington and HSU both got beat and moved back behind HPU but HPU didn't move up.  McMurry and Messiah both moved up ahead of HPU.  So a losing team ahead of you doesn't always mean you'll move up, unfortunately.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 12, 2006, 03:20:03 PM
Ralph I do know Pat was at HPU, I had the privilege to talk to him. My point is that I think Pat has a big influence on voters, especially since he saw the teams in person. He saw HPU play a sloppy game and it was a blowout, hard to tell how good a team is when you see that. He saw McM play twice and once agaisnt the number 9 team in the nation. What if McM had only played once and blew that team out would they still jump 5 spots? His Texas rankings touted McM women as the top team, and he may be right. Now you will probably say the quality of opponents is better for McM, and your right. I just think McM jumping 5 spots is a little much considering HPU stayed where they were after convining wins.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 12, 2006, 03:28:20 PM
I agree with you Ralph that it did help shed some light on Texas basketball. Hopefully the ASC gets some good recognition in the future from the visit.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 12, 2006, 05:20:45 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on December 12, 2006, 03:20:03 PM
Ralph I do know Pat was at HPU, I had the privilege to talk to him. My point is that I think Pat has a big influence on voters, especially since he saw the teams in person. He saw HPU play a sloppy game and it was a blowout, hard to tell how good a team is when you see that. He saw McM play twice and once agaisnt the number 9 team in the nation. What if McM had only played once and blew that team out would they still jump 5 spots? His Texas rankings touted McM women as the top team, and he may be right. Now you will probably say the quality of opponents is better for McM, and your right. I just think McM jumping 5 spots is a little much considering HPU stayed where they were after convining wins.

Well, if/when HPU beats HSU or McMurry they will move up. It's not like HPU won't have the exact same chances to make noise as the other two ASC-West teams. Beating Fisk and Sul Ross is not the same in voters' eyes as beating a Top 25 team and I'm sure you understand that.

Indeed, not everyone automatically moves up when a team ahead of them loses. That's what standings are like, not rankings.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2006, 05:41:52 PM
dballa, I looked at the polls and have these thoughts.

1)  Messiah gets credit for beating a very well respected opponent, DeSales.  I think that DeSales won a post-season tourney in the ECAC in 2004 and 2005.

2)  The initial assessment by the voters is that a McMurry win at HSU just flips the 2 teams.

3)  Mary Washingtion dropped the usual number of slots with their loss.

4)  The voters don't know what they want to do with #8-#12.  Ordinarily, there should be 100 votes between #8 and #12.  The voters have Baldwin-Wallace at 402 and Howard Payne at 364.  That's only 38 votes.  That bunch is too close to call.
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Well, while I was trying to pay the bills, and my thoughts were stuck on this side of the posting for 2 hours, Pat gives his expert commentary. :) ;) 8)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2006, 07:34:51 PM
dballa, here is another way to look at the voting.

A perfect #1 in this poll is 25 voters giving 25 first place votes worth 25 points each or a vote total of 625 votes.

A perfect #8 gets 25 votes worth 18 points each or 450 points.  Well, Baldwin-Wallace is only in at 402 points, about 10th.

HPU is getting 364 votes in 12th when one would expect only 350 points for a "perfect 12th place" vote, and which is more than "halfway" to 11th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 12, 2006, 10:08:48 PM
Of course, I was excited about the polls, finally getting some movement up for L.I.B.  It is still so early to be overly concerned about polls.  I think that McM and HSU have had the tougher schedule only, because they played each other and Miss.College, HPU hasn't played the upper teams yet with the exception of ETBU, but ETBU came on strong at the end of the year last year, be patient. The 3 C's are what come in to play right now.... Conditioning, Coaching and Chemistry. Whoever can pull all three of those factors together will be the team on top. I think HPU is for real, and got a little scoop from an official who called one of their games and said they were a well balanced team. HPU is good about slipping under everyone's radar, but its one game at a time right now for everyone.  Finals week is almost over, and games will be back on schedule this weekend.........
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on December 13, 2006, 11:34:39 AM
Oh, my goodness, I think hell may be freezing over as we speak!  I am going to completely agree with fanstand.  HPU is a great team, no doubt about it, but they have just blown out teams and will need to face some stiffer competition before they move up.  I think the game at UTTyler this weekend should be a good starting point.  It is always a very tough place to play against a very talented team. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 13, 2006, 03:36:05 PM
I suspect that McM, HSU, and HPU are pretty evenly matched this year, so the teams will bounce around on the standings until the end of the season.  The likelihood is that all three will end up in the conference tournament, and if history repeats itself further, they may still have to play each other again in the post-season.  A team with a high ranking may get a better chance at a Pool C bid than one without it if it doesn't win the tournament, but that's the only reason I can see to consider the current rankings important.  The only thing that matters is which team wins the last game between them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2006, 12:38:59 AM
UTD 50 Texas Wesleyan 48 (http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/WBB/WBBMAIN.htm)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 14, 2006, 06:19:58 PM
The crazy thing is that, between MCM, HPU, HSU and UMHB, the four ASC West tourney spots are more or less sewn up already (unless one of the other four gets hot). I mean, we're getting slowly but surely getting better, but those four are a combined 16-1 in conference so far (if I remember right).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2006, 06:28:07 PM
And CUA fan, I will bet that CUA could beat 10 of the 39 conference champs in the country right now as the 5th place team in the ASC-West! ;) ??? :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2006, 06:28:51 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on December 14, 2006, 06:19:58 PM
The crazy thing is that, between MCM, HPU, HSU and UMHB, the four ASC West tourney spots are more or less sewn up already (unless one of the other four gets hot). I mean, we're getting slowly but surely getting better, but those four are a combined 16-1 in conference so far (if I remember right).

CUA fan, what do you hear about the new campus on the Schlumberger property?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 14, 2006, 06:32:25 PM
Well, considering that we lost by 1 on a buzzer-beater to the #12 team in NAIA Division II, I wouldn't be surprised. I do know the girls would play their hearts out though.

As far as the new campus goes...every member of the athletic department I've heard talk about the plans for the new gym are anything but happy. All they're planning on doing, so far as I can tell, is essentially rebuild what we have now on the new campus. I intend to try to arrange a between-semesters meeting to try to get them to ante up for better facilities all-around, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 14, 2006, 07:24:36 PM
Beating someone in NAIA DII isn't much of a win.      The D3 teams of NCAA match up with the DI of NAIA. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2006, 08:41:56 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on December 14, 2006, 06:32:25 PM
Well, considering that we lost by 1 on a buzzer-beater to the #12 team in NAIA Division II, I wouldn't be surprised. I do know the girls would play their hearts out though.

As far as the new campus goes...every member of the athletic department I've heard talk about the plans for the new gym are anything but happy. All they're planning on doing, so far as I can tell, is essentially rebuild what we have now on the new campus. I intend to try to arrange a between-semesters meeting to try to get them to ante up for better facilities all-around, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
Your comment on the loss to Menlo prompted me to visit the Menlo web site.

So far, they have several wins against D3's (http://athletics.menlo.edu/scores.php?spcat=4) and play several games next year.

I will keep an eye on them, as much to gauge the strength of the Northwest Conference. ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 15, 2006, 09:45:05 AM
Can someone who's seen both ETBU and MCM play tell me if Lori Lewis is the conference's next Tarra Richardson like I think she is from her stats? Girl got 25 points and 16 boards on us last night.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 15, 2006, 11:07:54 AM
McM at ETBU next Monday night and it will be on radio/netcast!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on December 16, 2006, 02:25:40 PM
HPU 24, UTT 9

So far so good ladies!  Keep it up!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on December 16, 2006, 02:35:55 PM
HPU 39 UTT 13
4:53 to go in the first half

UTT is playing without the 6' post transfer Grant who is at a funeral this afternoon.  Don't know how much of an effect it is having on them, but would imagine it would be some.

Still HPU sounds very impressive.  Many players contributing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on December 16, 2006, 02:45:17 PM
HPU 46 UTT 20
Halftime
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on December 16, 2006, 03:43:43 PM
HPU 84 UTT 52 or so Final

Nice win for HPU.  Good luck on monday at UTD.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 16, 2006, 09:40:00 PM
McM 82, Ozarks 69 final.
The McM lead was 20 with five minutes to go and with McM playing the bench, but then Ozarks began chipping it down until McM put the starters back in for the last 2 minutes.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 16, 2006, 10:09:57 PM
McM 82 UOz 69 (http://www.ozarks.edu/athletics/wbasketball/stats/06_07/mcm.htm)

Thanks, McMfan!  Above is the link to the scorebook.

McMFan, lots of good minutes by the deep bench!  Ten players with double digit minutes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 17, 2006, 09:50:13 AM
Looks like HPU may move up maybe to #10 with another loss for #11UW-Stout in OT last night. Stout next game against McM in Georgetown after Christmas. They will be regrouping I'm sure for their trip to Texas. L.I.B. one more game before break at ETBU Monday. Hope we finish strong, we need to build confidence in our bench on the road for these long road stretches, I believe they will rise to these challenges. Our outside game has really been strong to compliment the inside game. Good luck, safe travel!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2006, 10:01:44 AM
Quote from: fanstand on December 17, 2006, 09:50:13 AM
Looks like HPU may move up maybe to #10 with another loss for #11UW-Stout in OT last night. Stout next game against McM in Georgetown after Christmas. They will be regrouping I'm sure for their trip to Texas. L.I.B. one more game before break at ETBU Monday. Hope we finish strong, we need to build confidence in our bench on the road for these long road stretches, I believe they will rise to these challenges. Our outside game has really been strong to compliment the inside game. Good luck, safe travel!

Wow, UW-Stout had an overtime loss at Finlandia!  That must have been a real clunker!  Stout had 30 personal fouls. (http://www.uwstout.edu/athletics/wbb/wbbgame.htm#2006december16) Host Finlandia only 13.  Since Hancock MI 9Finlandia) is on the upper peninsula, perhaps that officiating crew called the game a little differently.

Pre-season All-American Center Kelsey Duoss fouled out for Stout!

Duoss vs. Richardson will be worth the price of admission!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 17, 2006, 11:12:29 AM
Monday's game with ETBU will definitely be important.  ETBU beat UMHB yesterday, 63-49, so their only losses are to HSU and HPU.  They are clearly on a roll.  It will be a challenge for McM and a mark of how good the LIB really are after beating several relatively weaker teams.  Go ex-Indians!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 17, 2006, 10:04:26 PM
I know it's late but...

CUA 90, LETU 68
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 18, 2006, 05:31:11 PM
HPU 67 UTD 38 Final.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 18, 2006, 07:21:22 PM
McM 35, ETBU 32 at halftime.  A very "back and forth affair," as the radio announcers say.  There have been 22 turnovers by both teams.  McM has gotten only 3 of 9 freethrows and is being outrebounded by ETBU, according to the announcers.  A lot of lead changes, and several McM players in foul trouble.  Clearly a tight game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on December 18, 2006, 07:54:30 PM
2nd Half....

Sul Ross...40
UT-Tyler....71

not sure how much time to go
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on December 18, 2006, 07:55:49 PM
2nd Half....

Sul Ross...44
UT-Tyler....71

10:16 left to play
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 18, 2006, 08:07:20 PM
McM 73, ETBU 61 final

The radio announcers said that the McM players were not allowed to practice in the gym before the game, so that they were playing in it for the first time when the game started.  Is that normal?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on December 18, 2006, 08:20:12 PM
Sul Ross...63
UT-Tyler....94

FINAL
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 18, 2006, 11:10:03 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on December 18, 2006, 08:07:20 PM
McM 73, ETBU 61 final

The radio announcers said that the McM players were not allowed to practice in the gym before the game, so that they were playing in it for the first time when the game started.  Is that normal?

MCM men and women practiced in ornelas for three hours on friday.  ETBU men moved their game day shoot around so MCM could have the gym for two hours today.  I think the announcers might have been mistaken.

Had etbu shot better from the FT line the game would have been much tighter.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 18, 2006, 11:40:27 PM
Thanks for the clarification, Etbualum.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 19, 2006, 12:02:16 AM
No prob,  My first time to see Richardson and tuttle, they are quality.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 19, 2006, 09:26:17 AM
I don't know about the men's team, but the women for McM were in Oklahoma on Friday, they did not get to Marshall until Monday, because they were not allowed to practice in the gym on Sunday, they stayed in Arkansas on Sunday to practice Sunday morning before heading to east Texas. Someone else was in that gym on Friday, and the men left on a different bus on Sunday, I believe.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 19, 2006, 09:31:26 AM
Bet that was UMHB, they played on Saturday in Marshall. Our teams did not travel together this time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2006, 10:39:45 AM
McM 73, ETBU 61 (http://www.etbu.edu/Current+Athletic+News/sports_item.htm?SportsID=1155)

Tarra Richardson had 28 points and 12 boards.  Maigen Sawyer had 15 points; Allison Nelson had 13.  Symbri Tuttle had 11 of the 19 McMurry assists to only 4 total assists for ETBU.

Also, McMurry got some good minutes from Sandra Lewis and some great defense from Jabri Butler.

Sounds like a great effort!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 19, 2006, 12:05:57 PM
I said friday but I meant sunday and monday.  Sorry typed it in a hurry.  Somebody from MCM practiced here Sunday.  The men and women both had time, I was not there so I dont know if they took it.  The etbu men did move the shoot around on game day so both teams could shoot for an hour each.

Sorry for the mistake about friday and the confusion it caused.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 19, 2006, 01:57:43 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on December 12, 2006, 03:20:03 PM
I just think McM jumping 5 spots is a little much considering HPU stayed where they were after convining wins.
I think sethhpu from a week ago has a good point about HPU being underrated.  There are now a number of schools that have played HPU, McM, and HSU, and (at the risk of more fuzzy math on my part :)) you can compare the scores.  I looked at their games with ETBU, Ozarks, and LeTourneau.  McM and HSU won with point spreads ranging from 5 to 24.  But check out HPU's numbers:
ETBU +37
Ozarks +42
LeT +51
This is double or almost triple the point spreads of McM and HSU against the same schools.  Unless HPU is playing their starters the whole time to deliberately run up the numbers (and McM is giving their bench a lot of time on the court), then this team looks to be a much meaner machine than the rankings indicate, and not to be taken lightly by McM or HSU down the stretch.
 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 19, 2006, 02:45:50 PM
HPU definitely isn't keeping the starters in the whole time.  There are a lot of bench players getting well over 10 mins and some even 15 to 20 mins during each game.  There have been some games that Meia Daniels and some other starters haven't played beyond the 10 min mark of the 2nd half and definitely didn't play the whole 1st half.

I may be wrong on this but I think the Sul Ross game is the only game that HPU didn't increase their lead in the 2nd half with the subs in.  That says a lot about the depth and balance of the team.  They can sub in 5 off the bench who can produce exactly what, if not more in some cases, the 1st team does.

The end of January can't get here quick enough.  I'm ready to see them play some better competition to get a gauge on how good this team really is.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on December 19, 2006, 04:51:12 PM
HPU seems to have to deal with this lack of recognition every year.  They have always had deep teams, great talent and coaching and yet can't seem to win people over.  They have always played 10+ players a game due thier style of play.  I know, they play a zone, but the intensity that comes with that zone makes it more demanding than any man defense.  Add in their ability to score in transition with post players like Blalock, Hoffman and Pippins who can get down the floor great and it becomes very hard to go longer than 5-8 minutes at a time.  There is no going half speed in HPU's system, that is what has made them so successful and the depth of their bench so important.   

Yes, they haven't had the accomplishments that HSU has had to date, but have gone further each year than they did the previous year.  That has to account for something. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2006, 06:30:41 PM
Quote from: thundercat on December 19, 2006, 04:51:12 PM
HPU seems to have to deal with this lack of recognition every year. ...

Yes, they haven't had the accomplishments that HSU has had to date, but have gone further each year than they did the previous year.  That has to account for something. 

This seems to be the common "we don't get no respect" refrain from some HPU fans.

You are currently ranked #11!

That is based on an improvement from #22 at the end of the 2006 season,

--and that reflects a pre-season ranking of #18 this year, sight unseen by probably at least 23 of the 25 voters in the poll,

--and it credits the recent HPU playoff history of:

------losing in the first round at home against Trinity in 2005 and
------beating Trinity, only to lose in the second round (the Finals of the Texas sub-bracket) in 2006.

HPU's playoff record is only 1-2 in 2 attempts.  Everyone above HPU in the poll, with the exception of McMurry and Brandeis, has been to a Final Four in this decade!!!  Brandeis gets respect, because 5 of the last 10 D3 Women's Champions have come from Brandeis' conference, the UAA.  The voters in Pat's poll have seen the UAA, and I trust their assessment.

Restated, with the exception of McMurry and Brandeis, no other team in the country without a recent Final Four appearance is ranked higher than HPU.

McMurry's record since the start of 2005 is 34-3.  They are 1-1 versus HPU and 2-2 with a road win over HSU in 2005-07.  HPU is 32-5, with losses to McM, MissColl, UMHB and HSU twice.  McMurry gets credit for a road win over 2006 Final Four HSU earlier this month.

The "we don't get no respect" lament is historically unsubstantiated!  You are getting respect based on the success of HSU and McMurry, to a lesser extent.  Pat Coleman made a special trip to see the Lady Jackets, and he is awaiting the HSU-McM games in late January.

Have a Merry Christmas! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 19, 2006, 06:57:39 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2006, 06:30:41 PM
This seems to be the common "we don't get no respect" refrain from some HPU fans.

Since I seem to have started this thread, my point is simply that you underestimate HPU this year at your own peril.  One more set of numbers, for the record, since both HPU and HSU beat Trinity this year:
HPU-Trinity 76-45 +31
HSU-Trinity 84-67 +17
...and I'm obviously not an HPU fan.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 19, 2006, 09:20:09 PM
My two cents.......I think HPU sometimes is "overshadowed" by the McM/HSU rivalry. I guarantee we do not overlook or disrespect them, because we know they are a formidible foe,  they aren't slipping under our radar.  HSU knows it too. When McM plays HSU, who does HPU root for? When HSU plays HPU, who does McM root for? When McM plays HPU who is HSU wanting to come out on top? Can you really root for one of them?   This three way rivalry is pretty intense and the atmosphere is electric.  HPU is getting plenty of respect and the answers will come in January, but there is lots of ball to play between now and then, anything can happen. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on December 21, 2006, 10:06:00 AM
I just wanted to take this opportunity to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!  May all your Christmas wishes come true, as well as those resolutions! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on December 21, 2006, 01:17:11 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2006, 06:30:41 PM
This seems to be the common "we don't get no respect" refrain from some HPU fans.

You are currently ranked #11!

That is based on an improvement from #22 at the end of the 2006 season,

WOW!  I am going to agree with Ralph Turner for once!  Everyone knows that I am hardcore HPU, but i think that rankings are appropriate.  The teams that are presently in the Top ten are not only quality and deserving but they are proven as well.  When HPU takes down McM and HSU then the rankings will most definatly be shaken up.  Until then HPU will likely float around its present location.  Which as Ralph pointed out...is nothing to be ashamed of.  To be ranked the 11th best team in the nation, I'll take it!  :)

Lets all remember that You and I tend to worry more about rankings than do the players!  All of our girls have one focus...to play hard, win as many games as they can, and get to that tourney...where anything can happen!

I do look forward to the next semester of games, trashtalk, and arguing over rankings!  ;D

O and i can't wait to see HPU in the Final Four!!!  8)

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2006, 01:43:25 PM
Rob Don, I am glad that you and I agree about that set of facts.

I also think that any close games that we play in the West among the three ranked teams will not measureably impact that #9 to #18 range.

For an ASC team to break any higher, I think that we need a National Title or finals appearance, or a major collapse by one of the higher ranked teams.  (I don't think that we will see that now, 8-10 games into the season.)  I think that the quality of talent in Women's D3 is not as homogenous as in Men's D1 (with which we are more familiar, and where a Missouri Valley #3 can play with a Big Ten #3).

Those programs that have been at the top (and in HSU's case near the top and currently at the edge) seem to stay in that range.

I want our standard bearer to go to the Final Four again, and win it this time.  We can debate the color of the jersey for now, but we get some great basketball in the next 2 months! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 22, 2006, 01:39:58 AM
HPU needs to give it a rest.  When they win 3 or 4 of their back to back with HSU and MCM then they can rightfully expect more respect and the higher rating.   

During the next eight weeks there will be plenty of chances going higher in the polls.   I've already gone on record to say that HPU would be in the top ten and undefeated when the come to Abliene.   Relax,  2007 will be interesting.  I predict the top three will exchange wins and loses.   Anyone who can tell me that their team  will run the table in conference is dreaming.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 24, 2006, 10:04:17 AM
Who cares about the rankings. So long as they make the Dance, that's all that matters. Once you get there, anything can happen (witness George Mason). Since HPU is ranked #11 (or whatever) now, I'd say that the ASC has a pretty good shot at getting three squads in the Dance, which carries a certain prestige all its own.

How abnormal is it for a single conference (much less one division within a conference) to have three top 15 teams anyway? That can't be a normal occurence.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 24, 2006, 05:00:43 PM
CUAfan, I reviewed the Top 25's of the last 3 seasons in week 4.  We can see a pattern of the strong conferences emerging.

2005:

Three in Top 16:
UAA: Brandeis, Wash StL, NYU
Two in Top 10:
Ohio AC:  BWC and Capital
Two in Top 15:
CCIW:  Wheaton IL amd Millikin
Two in Top17: 
Mich IAA:  Calvin and Hope
Two in Top 18:
MAC Commonwealth:  Messiah and Moravian

2004: 

Four in Top 14:
UAA:  NYU, Rochester, Brandeis, Wash StL
Two in Top 9:
SCAC:  DePauw and Trinity
Two in the Top 13:
OAC:  Capital and Wilmington
Two in the Top 16:
NESCAC:  Bases and Bowdoin (a real rivalry among the women).

2003:

Three in the Top 15:
WIAC:  UW_ Eau Claire, Stevens Point and Oshkosh
Two in the Top 8:
Little East Conference: Southern Maine and E Conn St
Two in the Top 9:
UAA:   Rochester and Wash StL
Two in the Top 19:
Minn IAC: Gustavus Adolphus and St Benedict

As an ASC West fan, I think that we need McMurry or HPU to win a Final four game to help the conference's image.  HSU has done a good job.  They are a known commodity, but a Championship by McM or HPU (IMHO) would establish the ASC as an elite conference. :)

Merry Christmas, CUA fan and to all!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 28, 2006, 06:30:16 PM
Dballa and everyone else.  I'm down at the South Padre women's tournament.  Both LeTourneau and Howard Payne are here.  I don't think the games will be available to listen to as LETU uses Chitsports and they only cover conference games so I think we'll have to wait until afterwards.  I will post scores for both schools.  Messiah is also here, unfortunately they will not play HPU... it would have been nice to see #10 play #11.  Oh well
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 06:52:23 PM
#9 McM and #20 UW-Stout.  The game should be on Southwestern's "Game tracker".

I will try to post updates and encourage anyone who can!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 28, 2006, 07:40:23 PM
gccfan, that definitely would have been a much better matchup with Messiah and HPU.  We'll definitely be looking forward to your reports from the games.  How's the weather down there by the way? :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 28, 2006, 08:51:50 PM
Weather is nice, but pretty windy... I'm still hoping to squeeze a round of golf in though
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sarranman84 on December 28, 2006, 08:58:07 PM
Im with GCCfan here down in Padre. Our ladies were called midgets when they walked in the building today for practice. It was kinda funny and true since they are very tiny but i think they will play well down here.  Im expecting their season to turn around after New Years bc I hear they may be getting a post player transfer who sounds like she  is pretty good.  Should help the LU rebounding problems.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2006, 09:01:39 PM
Halftime:  UW-Stout 38, McMurry 32. (The stats say the Texas squad's been out-played all around, but they''re still hanging around. At one point, Stout was shooting 67% from the floor. Still plenty of time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 09:04:50 PM
I just logged on.

Let's look at the stats.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 09:15:56 PM
For UW-Stout, Duoss is guarding Richardson, but the problem that we seem to be having is with McDermid.  The 2 tall posts are giving us problems.

McMurry point guard Symbri Tuttle has 4 assists and no turnovers against the Stout defense.

McMurry needs outside production to counteract the inside game.

We also need to hit the free throws.  We will have our conditioning tested with Stout using 11 players in the first half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 09:19:05 PM
UWS 41, McM 32 17:01.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 09:22:10 PM
McM Tarra Richardson has blocked 2 UWS shots and added a lay-up.  UWS 41-38. 15:15.

UWS calls time out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 09:25:34 PM
McM's Tarra Richardson has blocked 3rd another shot! 

...
UWS 43-38 13:43
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 09:29:28 PM
UWS 46 - 41,  Richardson subbed out by Allison Nelson.  Nelson gets and off reb and Sawyer hits a 3FG.  UWS- 48 44, 11:57 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 09:31:16 PM
Stout is subbing 3 players.  UWS 52-44.  The bench depth is something we haven't seen in the ASC.  NO one in the ASC has that much depth!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 09:32:56 PM
McM Tarra Richardson is back in at 9:53.  UWS 52 McM 44.  McMurry is in the bonus with UWS' 7th foul this half. McM has one foul.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 09:35:58 PM
Richardson is back in and makes 2FT's and then a layup .  UWS 52-48, 9:03.

Three UWS posts have 3 fouls:  McDermid, Duoss and Boesi.

Rihcardson a 4th block, but McDemid hits 2 FT  UWS 54-48. 8:03
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 09:38:01 PM
UWS- McDermid a 4th foul.  Richardson misses the front of a 1&1.  UWS rebs.

McM  Allison Nelson hits a FG  UWS 54-50.  7:05 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 09:40:12 PM
We are cold!!!!  Can't hit anything from the field tonight!

UWS calls time 5:45  UWS 56-50.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 09:43:17 PM
We are 19-56 FG and 3-14 on 3FG! 

UWS 58-50 3:59.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 09:44:55 PM
Richardon FG  UWS 58-52 3:38.  UWS takes a 30sec TO  3:11.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 28, 2006, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 09:40:12 PM
We are cold!!!!  Can't hit anything from the field tonight!

That's what Stout is all about.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 09:47:31 PM
Stout 60-52 
Maigen Sawyer is only FG 5-19 and 3FG 3-10.

Duoss gets her 4th foul.  Richardson makes 1- 2FTs  2:27 left.

UWS 60-53.  2:16
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 09:50:42 PM
McMurry just gave 6 quick fouls that they had to give.

61-53 UWS with 1:42.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 09:55:35 PM
McM Allison Nelson reb, Richardson FG.  62-55; 1:15

UWS FT 1-2; 63-55

McM Sandra Lewis FT 2-2 UWS 63-57. 1:04
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 10:03:25 PM
UWS, Lindsey Geissler misses 2 FT. Richardson the def reb adn duoss fouls her, her 5th.

Richardson at the line Ft 2-2; 63 -59.

Amenda Geissler misses a FT
Richardson a def reb.

Richardson Ft 1-2 UWS 63-60 0:36

UWS Lindsey Geissler Ft miss.   0:35

.........

McM Richardson fouls Hirssig FT 1-2 Richardson gets the def reb.  64-60 time McM 0:32.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 10:21:15 PM
UWS at the line FT 2-2  66-60 0:11

Final UWS 65-60.

Good game Stout!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 28, 2006, 10:24:55 PM
Ralph --
Thanks for the reports!  How are you following this, since there are no radio broadcasts?  Are you there at the tournament?  I'm trying to imagine you with an open laptop balanced on your knees as you follow the game, and typing in text every time someone calls a timeout.  But that would mean there's a wireless connection in the stadium.
A tough loss, but a good one -- if you're going to lose a game, you want it in the middle of the season against a good team and you want it non-conference.  Sounds like we played hard throughout.  Go ex-Indians, and good luck tomorrow!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2006, 10:31:35 PM
Stout gets Southwestern, and McMurry gets Concordia, IL (aka Concordia-Chicago). When WLC played Concordia-Chicago earlier this season, the Cougars threw a press at the Warriors. WLC was hitting their 3's that game and ended up winning with a balanced scoring attack (74-58 was the final if memory serves correctly.)

Concordia-Chicago has several players 5'-10" to 6'2" range.

The Cougars, despite outrebounding Southwestern on the offensive end, missed 17 free throws in the game earlier today. This poster expects a McMurry win, figuring Richardson will give them fits.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 10:33:54 PM
mcmfan, the game was on Gametracker on the Southwestern site!!

I found out that on the UW-Stout site.


WAY TO GO, LIB!  Great effort!  A WIAC poster thought that you might fade, but you didn't!!!!

I am so proud of you.

Underclasswomen and newbies!!! Learn from this game!!! We gotta get revenge in the Final Four!!!
;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 28, 2006, 11:41:25 PM
I thought you would look good at a game with a laptop on your knees!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 11:55:13 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on December 28, 2006, 11:41:25 PM
I thought you would look good at a game with a laptop on your knees!

Hmmm...
I come from Alabama with a laptop on my knees...
I'm goin' to Louisiana, my true love for to see. :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on December 29, 2006, 12:08:32 AM
Stroud had 3 or 4 posts who can play.  #40 is not only 6 ft. one, mobile, with skills, and takes up a lot of room in the paint.  McM Richardson could match up but the other ladies were at a disadvantage.  It is of interest to note Stroud had 21 players and played a bunch of people.  I was impressed with their inside people.  McM played with a lot of heart to stay in the game.  Tommorrow at 1pm, Concordia of Ill. for consolation prize.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2006, 12:14:55 AM
bcal, you saw the Pre-season #1 and #2 All-American Centers in #40 Kelsey Duoss and Tarra Richardson.

Can you imagine McMurry if we had a defensive post like Stout's #50 Dani Boese?  :o  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 29, 2006, 02:22:07 AM
Just got home from Georgetown. I was really proud of our ladies for NEVER giving up in this game.  I kept thinking we would hit a big three and get back in the lead, but every time we would get close, seemed like Stout responded.  Stout is a good team, we didn't get in sync the whole game, they played good defense and we didn't really get good looks at the three tonight, but we fought the good fight. Feel a little of the pressure off of not having to be "perfect", and I would rather lose to a really good team on an "off" night, than to lose one we should win in conference.  Maybe a rematch will come a little further down the line.  I would like that. Good Luck tomorrow LIB. Rebound from this, and I hope Stout does well against Southwestern.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2006, 07:52:36 AM
fanstand, I felt the same way reading the Gametracker.  This has to put some fire into them.  So close, and yet so much more that needs work.

For the sake of Tarra and Symbri, I am so grateful that they were on the national stage tonight.  Now they and all the others must re-double their efforts.

Thanks for the game report.

One question, am I correct in assuming that UW-Stout ran about 11 players deep?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 29, 2006, 11:57:34 AM
Ralph, I was surprised how he was subbing, he subbed all five starters after about 5 minutes and continued to sub that way most of the game. Yes, they are a deep bench, the most I was surprised was by their actual size, all of them are "stout" , tall and muscular. The names on the roster seemed to be of German descent. (I'm not profiling) I was born there , we have some high school teams around here Ballinger and Wall with some german descent and they are successful programs.  But they were very determined too, very fired up. We didn't play our best game, but we never gave up even though we were off. Different day, different results, maybe in the Final Four!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 29, 2006, 02:50:59 PM
Halftime:  McMurry 41, Concordia, IL 29. (As expected, Richardson already in double figures scoring-wise. McMurry got to the line a lot in the first half, and Concordia's Bravo spared her team more of a deficit by going on a 7-pt scoring run late in the half).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 29, 2006, 03:58:00 PM
Final:  McMurry 76, Concordia, IL 57. McMurry 28 pts off Concordia turnovers and the TX squad got to the line almost twice as much as the Cougars.

Concordia, IL is currently in the middle of the pack in the Northern Athletics Conference. This could be a blessing in disguise in the long run for that squad.  :-X :-\ ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 29, 2006, 05:59:57 PM
Stout completed the tournament by taking out Southwestern, 73-45.  That's a compliment to McMurry, I think, which lost to stout by only 5 points and stayed in the whole game.  SU was down by about twenty at the half and never really closed that margin thereafter.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 29, 2006, 09:13:39 PM
Howard Payne is up 64-34 with 8:44 left against Millsaps
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 29, 2006, 09:43:50 PM
thanks for the HPU score update.  I didn't think that game would be very close and i'm sure the next game won't be either. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 29, 2006, 09:47:22 PM
HPU ended up winning 76-42 or something close to that.  I just saw the last 10 minutes and didn't see a single starter play at all.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 29, 2006, 10:38:55 PM
Denison 37, LeTourneau 25 at the half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 29, 2006, 11:24:18 PM
Denison 78, LeTourneau 56 final

LETU cut the lead to 54-46 midway through the second half, but a 10-0 run put the game away.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on December 30, 2006, 11:31:01 AM
According to the box score, it looks like Maigen Sawyer only got 13 minutes playing time yesterday.  Did she get hurt?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2006, 12:54:18 PM
McM Blue Devil, I saw that Allison Nelson only played 16 minutes.

I think that it was a case of Coach Nichols getting some PT for the bench.  (http://southwesternpirates.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/stats/2006-2007/mcm-cuc.html)

Jabri got 22.  Callie Williams got 11.  Courtney Wolfe got 10 at point guard.  Amanda Peters got 18.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 30, 2006, 07:45:38 PM
Howard Payne tops Simmons 93-26 in a yawner today
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 30, 2006, 08:43:31 PM
LETU 32, MIT 25 -- Halftime
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 31, 2006, 04:06:10 PM
ETBU/TX A&M Commerce on deck:
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 31, 2006, 04:51:54 PM
Texas A&M Commerce 37, ETBU 31--Half:  (ETBU was once down 20-Vallo seeing some action. Shepard hit a shot from near half-court at the buzzer.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 31, 2006, 05:13:20 PM
ETBU's making a game of it--had it tied at 42, now down a bit again early in 2nd.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 31, 2006, 05:50:05 PM
Texas A&M-Commerce built the lead back up in the second half;  ETBU coach Curliss-Taylor T'd up twice and ejected. ETBU--30 turnovers hurt big time as well.

Final:  TX A&M-Commerce 84, ETBU 71. (Vallo 11 points in spot duty.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on January 02, 2007, 05:09:48 PM
Happy New Year Everyone!

Pretty funny about Curliss-Taylor, she has always been a bit of a hot-head.

So, I have been gone from this board for a while, what are the matchups for games on Thursday?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 02, 2007, 07:23:36 PM
1/04/07 matchups:

Mississippi College at SRSU:
ETBU at Schreiner:
Ozarks at Concordia-Austin:
TX-Dallas at HSU:
TX-Tyler at McMurry:
Louisiana College at HPU:
LeTorneau at TLU:
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2007, 09:04:26 AM
Check out the front page! (Scroll down below the Top 25 story).

LaCollege beat the Cowgirls!

Not the HSU Cowgirls, the D1 McNeese State (LA) Cowgirls. ;) :D

Congratulations to the Lady Wildcats. :)

This is a great win for Coach Potera-Haskins!  I hope she has found a "home" at LaCollege.

( I wonder what personnel she has added since the McMurry-HSU games.  The second half of the season is still very young.  She can have an impact in the weaker ASC-East.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2007, 09:40:46 AM
Reviewing the McNeese web site, it is hard to see if there were any line-up "omissions" or discipinary actions that impacted the McNeese side.

McNeese Cumulative stats (http://mcneesesports.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/stats/2006-2007/teamcume.html)

The LaCollege web site has not been updated since December 1, 2006, but those rosters looked intact for the McMurry and HSU games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 03, 2007, 01:17:47 PM
Ralph, my knowledge as we know is limited, but one of the girls who graduated with one of my girls several years ago, got a partial scholarship from McNeese St.  She was a mediocre player at best, but was tall, and only was there for one semester.  Their women's basketball program was weak at best.  Unless there has been improvement over the past few years, I can see a decent DIII team beating them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on January 03, 2007, 05:06:44 PM
We will see just how good LC is tomorrow as they play at HPU!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 04, 2007, 11:54:49 AM
Someone explain to me how come, both #10 Messiah and HPU in the same tournament in South Padre and they never meet? That would have been a nice match up instead of whoever they played the last game that they pounded.  Messiah played two games and went undefeated also, seems like there could have been better scheduling? Just wondering....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 04, 2007, 12:03:55 PM
fanstand from what I gather from the tournament it was a rather large one with men's teams as well.  But I agree with you I would rather have seen that matchup than playing a couple of teams with only a couple wins.  It doesn't help the team prepare for tough games ahead.  Although I'm sure the ladies did have a wonderful time down there and a lot of players got some valuable playing time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 12:15:37 PM
Quote from: thundercat on January 03, 2007, 05:06:44 PM
We will see just how good LC is tomorrow as they play at HPU!!

thundercat, I fear that the HPU-LC game may tell us how poorly McNeese State played that night.  :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 04, 2007, 12:25:38 PM
Ralph McNeese is 2-11 on the year with an added exhibition win against Dillard.  But i'm not sure if that's a college or the sales exec's from the store :)
They definitely aren't a very good team at all.

But one thing LC does have coming into the game today is a winning streak and some confidence.  As much as I believe HPU will win fairly easily, teams like that can be very dangerous if you let your guard down.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 12:57:01 PM
Quote from: dballa on January 04, 2007, 12:25:38 PM
Ralph McNeese is 2-11 on the year with an added exhibition win against Dillard.  But i'm not sure if that's a college or the sales exec's from the store :)
They definitely aren't a very good team at all.

But one thing LC does have coming into the game today is a winning streak and some confidence.  As much as I believe HPU will win fairly easily, teams like that can be very dangerous if you let your guard down.

Dillard University (http://www.dillard.edu/) is the HBCU in New Orleans, down on Poydras Street, so I am not sure how "put back together" they are.  They are 0-8 (http://www.gcaconf.com/sport/3/5.php) this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 04, 2007, 01:33:24 PM
Trinity women beat an NAIA DI team last night also.  This year in the Polk Key City Tourney (high school) I watched AA Jim Ned (yes, Colt's old HS) girls beat 5A Mansfield, and Lubbock Trinity a private school beat 5A Amarillo High, and both 5A teams are excellent. You can never underestimate opponents no matter what size of school.  I believe a lot of DIII players could play DII or even DI. They are not always seen by DI coaches. Their (DI) recruiting is in alot of AAU ball, a lot of these girls are just hometown kids who aren't playing AAU ball in the larger areas. But they play with a lot of skills and heart. That's why I love DIII. Most of these players are coachable, too.  Those that aren't, usually move on. Just an opinion.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on January 04, 2007, 03:15:58 PM
Jim Ned's women's basketball team is usually pretty solid.  If I remember correctly, they won at least one state championship in the early to mid-1990s.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 04, 2007, 06:36:33 PM
ETBU/Schreiner about to get underway:
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 06:43:28 PM
HPU 6 LC 2, 14:38 1st half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 06:50:02 PM
McM 13, UTT 10, 14:59.  Sawyer has 4 for McMurry, Richardson has 6.

Media timeout. Richardson at the line for 2.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 06:51:50 PM
HPU 15 LC 2 11:25 left 1st
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 06:55:48 PM
HPU 21 LC 4 9:40 left, Brasher has 4 fouls for LC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 04, 2007, 06:56:52 PM
ETBU 22, Schreiner 19, just shy of 10 minutes left in 1st half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 06:57:04 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 06:55:48 PM
HPU 21 LC 4 9:40 left, Brasher has 4 fouls for LC.
Oh no!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 06:58:09 PM
HPU 23 LC 4 8:43 1st
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 06:58:19 PM
McM 17, UTT 14, both teams are shooting 35%.  10:00 left.

I have to sign off for a 90 min conference call.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 07:05:26 PM
HPU 31 LC 8 4:30 1st
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 07:07:25 PM
HPU 33 LC 8 3:34 1st
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 04, 2007, 07:10:27 PM
Shifted over to McMurry game-when I lost ETBU feed ETBU was up on Schreiner 40-25 with some 4 minutes left in 1st half. (ETBU's height advantage appeared to be taking some effect as the half wore on).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 07:15:24 PM
HPU 41 LC 13 HALF
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 04, 2007, 07:17:05 PM
Half:  McMurry 38, UT-Tyler 33. UT-T outrebounding McMurry, but also has more turnovers than the Abilene squad, per McMurry account.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 07:33:29 PM
HPU 46 LC 18 17:36 2nd
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 07:39:47 PM
HPU 48 LC 22 14:29 2nd, Brasher has fouled out
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 07:47:05 PM
HPU 57 LC 27 10:31 2nd
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 07:49:13 PM
HPU 57 LC 27 9:53 2nd
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 04, 2007, 07:53:24 PM
UT-Tyler up 53-52 on McMurry with 10:45 left:
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 07:59:44 PM
HPU 66 LC 31 3:21 2nd
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 08:05:57 PM
HPU 71 LC 34 Final
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 08:07:17 PM
Any McM Updates?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 04, 2007, 08:09:38 PM
McMurry back in the lead against UT-Tyler--some 4 minutes left 69-66.

(Also heard a few minutes back that HSU's women were leading big in 2nd half of their game.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 04, 2007, 08:15:58 PM
UT-Tyler just missed 2 FT's that would have given them the lead: 1 minute left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 08:19:32 PM
McM 78 UTT 74 Final
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 08:24:15 PM
What kind of game was it Ralph? I heard the end of it and there were a few turnovers, was the factor?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 08:33:35 PM
UTT-- Shedd 22 pts, Stanley 21, Hunter 13
  FG 30-58, 3FG 3-6, FT 11-22, TO 24, Rebs 39!

McM -- Richardson 23 pts 8 rebs, Maigen Sawyer (a great game!!!) 24 points, Nelson 9 points all 1st half, Tuttle 7 points and 12 assists.

FG 29-63 46%; 3FG 3-13; FT 17-23; TO 14 but 8 steals; Rebs 32

Seth, this is a different UTT team than HPU saw.  I am interested to see how they do vs HSU.  We don't have to worry about the tourney, because they are ineligible for the NCAA's, but they will wreak havoc.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 04, 2007, 10:41:13 PM
Ralph what makes UTT a different team now than when HPU whipped them? It looks like they have the same team just a different defense playing against them. 

Congrats to the Lady Jackets on another solid win even though offensively they weren't as smooth as they have operated in previous games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 11:07:05 PM
Quote from: dballa on January 04, 2007, 10:41:13 PM
Ralph what makes UTT a different team now than when HPU whipped them? It looks like they have the same team just a different defense playing against them. 

Congrats to the Lady Jackets on another solid win even though offensively they weren't as smooth as they have operated in previous games.

Maybe we were off on our defense tonight...  they (UTT) hit 52% from the field.

UTT at HSU on Saturday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 04, 2007, 11:18:34 PM
I was looking at the stats and on the year McM has given up 20 pts to a player in 5 games, 2 players in tonights game against UTT.  They've  had a player score double digits in all 11 of their games this year.

HPU has had 5 games where a player hasn't scored in double figures, only one player has scored more than 20(UTT's Shead had 23), and no team has had 2 players score in double figures in the same game.

HPU leads the nation in Defensive Field Goal % and Margin of Victory and as of the first stats posted 2nd in the nation in points allowed, which most likely will change after tonight.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2007, 12:19:10 AM
dballa, at this moment, I think that HPU is the team to beat in the ASC, by the stats.  If we don't handle you, then we won't host the tourney.

We are the defending champs, so we have the bulls-eye on  our backs.  HPU was there in 2005-06.

As we compare opponents, we have only 4 common opponents:

LaCollege -- 40 point victory margins for both
UT-Tyler -- Advantage HPU
UOzarks -- Advantage HPU (altho' McM caught them after finals on the road.)
ETBU --  Advantage HPU (same "after finals" road trip)

As for non-conference:

HPU:

Trinity -- opening game-- strong win for HPU
Fisk -- 0-4
Millsaps -- 1-8
Simmons 3-6 in the weak Great Northeast AC (only good (not great) teams in that conference are Emmanuel and Norwich)  Big road trip for them!

McMurry:

Oneonta State -- SUNYAC (7-2/2-1) probably contends for the title.  A good East Region conference.
Guilford -- ODAC (6-4/5-0) but hasn't played Bridgewater or VaWesleyan; may be an average team.
Concordia IL -- NAthCon (4-6/2-3) probably fairly average.
UW-Stout -- Top 20 team, 60-65 friendly neutral court loss.

Finally, HSU -- Top 20 team 61-56 road win.

The non-conference games are not comparable.  Let's see what happens.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 05, 2007, 01:32:07 AM
UT-T shot very well. And we still look flat. Can't quite put my finger on it, but I will be glad when classes start and everyone gets into a routine. I'll take a biggo W in the win column. It doesn't matter how many points... a win is a win.  HPU is definitely for real, no doubt. Lots of ball to play before they come to town and they have to come play HSU first, then McM. But we're concentrating on UTD for now. Congratulations L.I.B., even when you look flat you pulled it off.  Hey and the banner looks good, lets get another one!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 05, 2007, 09:13:25 AM
CUA 73, Ozarks 60

CUA's Harris had 13 points, 13 boards, and seven (maybe five) steals to lead the way. Ozarks had a tough night from the field, shooting about 37% as I recall. They also couldn't seem to hit a trey to save their life either, going something like 1-of-17 from beyond the arc. But, the Ozarks girls played with heart and never quit, so kudos to them. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU75 on January 05, 2007, 09:51:06 AM
dballa and ralph: I agree with both of you. Obviously all of us HPU fans are extremely excited about our tremendous season so far. I think we are the team to beat right now based on our performance: however, it is clear our out of conference schedule has not challenged us--and I know McMurry and HSU (and others) can still play!!  We have a lot of quality depth and it appears from listening to some games and reading all the stats we have significantly improved what I felt we needed to--shooting percentage and rebounding and inside play. I will see my first game in person tomorrow against Miss. Coll. Maybe that will be a little better test.  They have won a lot of games.  I look forward to every game from now on! I have  been impressed with Coach K's teams since I saw the first one years  ago at a game at UMHB.   Also, I certainly think 10th in the nation is plenty of respect--it just takes time(YEARS!) for people to learn if you are for real.  GO JACKETS!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2007, 09:57:09 AM
HPU75, glad to have you on board!!! :)

Please give us your comments on both games!

It's gonna be fun to get back inside the old Brownwood Mausoleum again, won't it!  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on January 05, 2007, 11:34:30 AM
It is true, I feel, that at this juncture of the season HPU seems to be the team to beat.  They have a ton of experience which is helping them a lot.

The biggest difference in the UTT games is that HPU was at UTT while MCM played at home.  Who knows how bad HPU would have beaten them had it been in the COLISEUM!  I would have expected a bigger victory out of MCM on their home court.  UTT has always been a good team, not just now that they suddenly almost beat MCM. 

The biggest difference right now is Stacey Blalock.  She has always had the ability and we have seen it at times in the past, but it now seems that something has clicked and she is playing near her ability every night.  When she is on, there is no stopping HPU.  If she continues to work hard in practice and gets better every day, the rest of the nation should watch out.  I can't wait for her and Richardson to go at each other!  That will be something to see!  I will put my money on Blalock as she is much stronger and Richardson seems to get beat up sometimes against more physical players.

HPU, good luck against MC, you know how much they love a nice beating from you.  Show them who is boss and 30 peice em!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU75 on January 05, 2007, 12:55:49 PM
Ralph: As you might have suspected I am one and the same as umhbcrufan16  on the d3football board.  I am definitely HPU all the way, however.  My children have gone (and one still does) to UMHB and I live close so I do enjoy UMHB athletics, but  my wife and I and many other family are HPU grads.   Our team really does look good, but there is a lot of basketball left to play--especially McM snd HSU  back to back to back to back in a few weeks. I was at the McM/Stout game in Georgetown last week.  I also felt that McM was not really clicking like I saw last year.  Stout was good but not unbelievable. Obviously Tuttle is a fantastic ballhandler and Richardson  is great, but I think you need serious production from other places( Sawyer and others) to maintain  your top 10 caliber play. And yes, I have a lot of memories of the coliseum--too bad that is still our large venue.  Hopefully our team's success can generate some bigger crowds and excitement.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2007, 01:10:54 PM
HPU75, thanks for the assessment!

I really like to hear objective neutral party observations anytime.  It gives us on the board a better understanding of the conference.

Your assessment makes sense, too.  We need several players to step up and fill the shoes of the starters from last year, Carli Engelke and Kaycee Venekamp.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 05, 2007, 01:13:38 PM
HPU75 we'll be looking forward to seeing you at the game on Saturday.  It would be nice for more and more alumni to show up to the games when they can. 


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 05, 2007, 01:40:56 PM
As I mentioned earlier, HPU has been consistently outscoring both McM and HSU when playing the same opponents this year, sometimes by double the points, so it was only a matter of time until the people who do the rankings finally woke up (though McM's loss to Stout obviously contributed) and put HPU where they belong.

I might add that the West looks a lot tighter than it was last year. Then, HSU had suffered two conference losses by this time in the season (to MC and McM) and HPU had suffered one (to MC), while McM was still undefeated.  This time around, HPU is undefeated so far and HSU has lost only one conference game (to McM).  McM, by comparison, has lost one non-conference game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 05, 2007, 03:24:30 PM
The top 5 in the ASC West:

HPU 7-0
MCM 7-0
HSU 6-1
UMHB 5-1
CUA 4-3

Yeah, I'd say it's pretty tight. I look forward to seeing how we stack up against those four teams above us, especially since we'll likely lose only one regular going into next year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 05, 2007, 09:45:49 PM
Yeah, the big battle in the West could be between CUA and UMHB for the fourth seed in the conference tournament, assuming none of the "big three" flame out before the end of the season!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 06, 2007, 12:18:34 AM
I think UMHB or Concordia could be spoilers at home for any of the top three teams.  I think most are safe on their own court, but the away games may be the tough ones.  And last year, McM took care of HPU on the bwood stage and then HPU beat us by one at our house, so I guess anything goes. I hope the L.I.B. find their fire tomorrow, we are due for a fun game, where everyone plays and everyone comes out smiling. Take it to 'em ladies.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 06, 2007, 02:08:15 PM
HPU 8 MC 0 18:07 1st
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 06, 2007, 02:10:28 PM
Correction 6-0 HPU
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 06, 2007, 02:14:24 PM
HPU 13 MC 7 14:39 1st
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 02:17:08 PM
I am having trouble getting to the server.  No McM score yet.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 06, 2007, 02:25:03 PM
HPU 21 MC 16 7:40 1st
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 06, 2007, 02:29:53 PM
HPU 25 MC 18 5:09 1st
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 06, 2007, 02:31:40 PM
HPU 27 MC 20 4:17 1st
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 06, 2007, 02:35:05 PM
HPU is a little flat and MC is playing well agaisnt our D.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 06, 2007, 02:40:04 PM
HPU 37 MC 24 HALF
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 02:58:29 PM
Halftime McM 38, UTD 23 and McM has gone deeper into the bench and is looking sharper.  Maybe the mid-season slump is over and the LIB are ready to buckle down for a TOUGH TOUGH TOUGH TOUGH (let me see HPU twice, HSU again and everybody else at least one really really tough game) second half.

Then the tourney...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 06, 2007, 02:59:35 PM
HPU 46 MC 26 17:52 2nd
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 06, 2007, 03:05:49 PM
HPU 52 MC 28 14:32 2nd
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 03:12:00 PM
NO HSU score yet.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 06, 2007, 03:16:20 PM
HPU 62 MC 35 9:34 2nd

HSU 43 UTT 40 according to their stat tracker with 14:25 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 06, 2007, 03:19:35 PM
HPU 63 MC 39 8:40 2nd

HSU 47 UTT 43 12:46 2nd
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 06, 2007, 03:27:01 PM
HPU 72 MC 51 4:50 2nd

HSU 54 UTT 50 9:02 2nd
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 06, 2007, 03:31:16 PM
HPU 72 MC 56 3:21 2nd

HSU 59 UTT 55 7:12 2nd
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 06, 2007, 03:34:50 PM
HPU 72 MC 59 3:01 2nd, MC is full court pressing

HSU 64 MC 58 4:57 2nd
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 06, 2007, 03:41:13 PM
HPU 80 MC 60 Final, MC played hard all game, HPU didn't finish extremely well, but we will take the win.

HSU 67 UTT 62 2:25 2nd
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 03:52:08 PM
+1 Seth,  thanks for the updates.  HPU does look like the class of the conference.  UTT looks like they will tear up the East.

I think that UTT will be the dominant team in the East next year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 04:00:28 PM
HSU 74, UTT 72 by HSU Gametracker (http://livestats.hsuathletics.collegesports.com/livestats/data/w-baskbl/468359/gt_index.html)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 04:40:53 PM
McM by 22 over UTD.  McM starters did not play the last 12 minutes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 05:06:56 PM
Incomplete stats for HPU women:

Blalock FG 7-8  FT 100%
Meia Daniels 23 pts
Heather Hohertz 13pts.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: imad3fanatic on January 06, 2007, 06:30:29 PM
Final
UMHB    64
Ozarks  61
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 07, 2007, 09:31:00 AM
Haven't seen either of the Davis sisters' names in ETBU women's box scores the last few games? Anyone know anything?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 07, 2007, 06:29:32 PM
Way to go, Cowgirls...good weekend of wins!

Keep it going!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 08, 2007, 08:49:05 PM
CUA hosting HSU and MCM this week. I'm lookin' forward to seeing how good we really are.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2007, 09:41:45 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on January 08, 2007, 08:49:05 PM
CUA hosting HSU and MCM this week. I'm lookin' forward to seeing how good we really are.

Do you mean men, or do you mean women, or do you mean both?   :)

Lots of good basketball being played in Abilene this year!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 09, 2007, 10:09:50 AM
Well, I meant women, but the men too! On the women's side, I look forward to seeing our freshman posts go up against Richardson for McMurry.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2007, 11:09:53 AM
Quote from: CUAfan on January 09, 2007, 10:09:50 AM
Well, I meant women, but the men too! On the women's side, I look forward to seeing our freshman posts go up against Richardson for McMurry.
Right now, my All-ASC-West is Tarra Richardson at the high post and Symbri Tuttle from McM at point, HPU's Meia Daniels at the #2 and Stacey Blalock down low.  I am still considering another forward/wing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on January 09, 2007, 11:13:23 AM
Newest Top 25 has been released.  HPU is up to #8, MCM is at #14 and HSU at #16.

Here is the complete ranking.

#   Team                  W-L   Pts. Last
1   Bowdoin (12)         11-0   610    1
2   Hope (11)            13-0   605    2
3   Rochester (2)        11-0   578    3
4   Scranton             11-1   548    4
5   Southern Maine       10-1   535    6
6   Baldwin-Wallace      12-1   468    8
7   Messiah              12-1   457    9
8   Howard Payne         12-0   426   10
9   DePauw               12-2   405    5
10  Brandeis             10-1   403    7
11  Calvin               11-1   325   12
12  Wilmington           12-1   311   11
13  Chicago              11-0   302   17
14  McMurry              11-1   299   14
15  UW-Stout             12-3   278   15
16  Hardin-Simmons        9-2   275   16
17  Simpson              10-2   179   13
18  Bridgewater (Va.)     8-1   147   19
19  Mary Washington       8-2   144   18
20  Muhlenberg           10-0   136   23
21  New York University  11-1   118   21
22  Illinois Wesleyan    11-1   113   20
23  Medaille              9-3    75   22
24  Pacific Lutheran      8-4    49   25
25  Puget Sound          10-3    45   -

Dropped out: No. 24 UW-Stevens Point

Others receiving votes: Kean 44, UW-Stevens Point 40, Hendrix 27,
Norwich 26, Lake Forest 23, Williams 22, Rose-Hulman 21, Emmanuel 17,
Millikin 16, Washington U. 16, York (Pa.) 12, St. Benedict 10, George Fox 6, Oglethorpe 5, Wheaton (Ill.) 5, UW-Whitewater 3, Salem State 1.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 09, 2007, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on January 07, 2007, 09:31:00 AM
Haven't seen either of the Davis sisters' names in ETBU women's box scores the last few games? Anyone know anything?

WLCALUM83, I'll be at the game tonight between ETBU and LETU so I'll see what I can find out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2007, 12:16:20 PM
gcc, please give us a game report.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 09, 2007, 06:38:19 PM
Neither Davis is starting tonight for ETBU, but I know I at least saw Sunny in the lay-up lines.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 09, 2007, 07:09:37 PM
Looking on the bench, it looks like the younger Davis doesn't have a jersey on and Sunnie hasn't taken off her warmup yet.  ETBU is up 31-15 with 4:51 left in the first half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 09, 2007, 07:22:54 PM
Sunny Davis played the last 1:09 of the first half... incidently it's ETBU 38-25 at the half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 09, 2007, 07:45:03 PM
LETU within 9 with 14:36 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 09, 2007, 07:55:34 PM
ETBU up 55-45 with 8:51 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 09, 2007, 08:02:10 PM
ETBU just put on a big run and looks like they will win, 69-47
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 09, 2007, 08:19:43 PM
I know it's still early, but how much of a threat do you think ETBU will be coming out of the "opposite" bracket in conference? (I remember they gave HSU reason to sweat after knocking the Cowgirls out of the conference tournament last season). Vallo rounding into form and Baines getting off the bench in the ETBU win over TLU previous to tonight helped some.  :) ;) :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 09, 2007, 08:26:54 PM
ETBU wins 78-57, Davis plays some in the second half, but I think she's just been passed up on the depth charts... Lori Lewis had something like 18 points and 18 rebounds.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 09, 2007, 08:28:33 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on January 09, 2007, 08:19:43 PM
I know it's still early, but how much of a threat do you think ETBU will be coming out of the "opposite" bracket in conference? (I remember they gave HSU reason to sweat after knocking the Cowgirls out of the conference tournament last season). Vallo rounding into form and Baines getting off the bench in the ETBU win over TLU previous to tonight helped some.  :) ;) :D

ETBU will likely have to play UMHB in the first round which is a better match up for them.  I think they want to avoid McMurry and HPU because they get up and down the floor too fast.  ETBU's big girls don't run the floor exceptionally well and LETU was able to exploit that for some easy lay-ups.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 09, 2007, 09:04:07 PM
LETU up early 22-12 midway through first half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 09, 2007, 09:25:36 PM
LETU up 54-29 with 15 seconds left in the first half... Isom went down again, but looks like he'll be able to return.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 10, 2007, 10:08:02 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2007, 11:09:53 AM
Right now, my All-ASC-West is Tarra Richardson at the high post and Symbri Tuttle from McM at point, HPU's Meia Daniels at the #2 and Stacey Blalock down low.  I am still considering another forward/wing.

Our best bet for such an honor this year would be Bills, but IMO her offensive game is too much like Iverson's. I think our freshman posts have a chance at getting at least close to that level eventually (Eddins had a 20 point, 11 rebound game and Zeleny had a 13 point, 17 rebound one).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on January 10, 2007, 03:23:51 PM
CUAfan, we will see how good your posts are this week when they go up against HSU's Contrussi and MCM's Richardson.  I doubt they had those good games against this caliber of talent (LETU and UTD if I remember correctly).  They are young and playing against some "seasoned vets" will be a nice welcome to the ASC West.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 11, 2007, 10:24:53 AM
Very true, thundercat. I've been thinking about these games as a test for our posts ever since I first saw our freshmen posts play this season. I'm looking forward to seeing Tuttle/Richardson on Saturday, but unfortunately I can't make the HSU game tonight.

You're right on those games, btw. I didn't have time to look them up at the time, thanks. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on January 11, 2007, 11:27:13 AM
Finally, west vs west games the rest of the way.  Games up to this point in the season have been intense, but there is going to be a whole new level of play come out of teams now!  I am interested to see how schools begin to match up in head to head competition. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 11, 2007, 11:35:33 AM
I made a similar post on the men's side and thought I would do the same for the women.  Anyways, using the Player Rating system from Sports Ill. here are the top 10 players in the conference so far.  Feel free to debate.

1. Tarra Richardson, MCM, 56.21
2. Lacey Kennedy, MC, 56.00
3. Meia Daniels, HPU, 43.38
4. Mandi Carter, UO, 42.62
5. Sha Shead, UTT, 40.38
6. Kassandra Bills, CUA, 39.20
7. Sarah Stanley, UTT, 37.96
8. Jeanne Randall, UO, 37.50
9. Nitra Woods, SRSU, 36.18
10. Shannon Barnes, UMHB, 35.09

I still think that Meia Daniels is the best player in the conference and her rating would be higher if they weren't blowing everyone out by 40 points a game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 11, 2007, 11:46:51 AM
I'm thinking more and more that the big matchups will be McM and HSU with Howard Payne.  HPU continues to outscore the other two schools when facing common opponents.  UT Tyler gave McM and HSU quite a bit of trouble this weekend.  But compare their scores with those of HPU vs. UTT:

McM 78, UTT 74: McM by 4
HSU 74, UTT 72: HSU by 2

HPU 84, UTT 52: HPU by 32

HPU may have played easier schools than McM or HSU so far, but these are massive score differences when playing the same schools.  Are they real?  I guess we find out starting Jan. 25!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on January 11, 2007, 01:11:48 PM
I don't believe for one minute that anyone can go compare score margins and figure if anyone has the edge.  Different teams, different sites, different injuries, sickness, coaching philosophy, different referees, travel, different motivation and even the weather.  There are just too many variables.
I do believe that on any given nite anyone can beat anybody and I will leave it at that.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2007, 01:36:23 PM
Pirate, long time, no post!  How did the Cowgirls look since the McMurry game.  Who has caught your eyes among the Cowgirls?

This season is boiling down to a real slugfest.  Don't slip up against the rest of the league, especially UMHB and CUA, then McMurry needs to hold "home court".

I think that the thing for which I am most grateful is that HSU is our travel partner and teams must confront both of us in the weekend.  Of course, they have to handle to drive to SRSU and the trip to Brownwood as well.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 11, 2007, 03:00:04 PM
Pirate, you are right on this one.  Also playing teams early in the year when newcomers have not always had time to gel makes a differernce.  HPU returns all their starters, so they pick up where they left off from last year.  There is so much that plays into games with the female persuasion. The "moon", the month, the boy, the family.  Females are fueled by emotion. But comparisons are hard to make.  And the rankings of those players, to me is by scoring, they do not figure the intangibles. I don't think computers see the whole picture when ranking individual players. I do think HPU is for real and will be a difficult opponent, but no one is unbeatable in this league
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on January 11, 2007, 03:26:01 PM
Here is the biggest difference in the UTT games.  HPU was at UTT and MCM/HSU played them at home.  If anything, this should have given MCM and HSU the edge.  Time of year, injuries, etc can only account for so much, say 15 points, not 30.   The point differences aren't meant to say that one team will win for sure, just to compare teams when we have no head-to-head comparision thus far.  Fanstand, you are right that no one is unbeatable in the league or the nation.  Any given night, any team can win.  What kind of sport would it be if it were any other way?  And, when all else fails, play the percentages, and right now, that is with HPU. 

UMHB and CUA have always tried to play the spoilers and have at times (HPU vs. CUA in 2005, UMHB in tourney last year) and are good teams with lots of talent.  The inconsistancy is what is keeping them from being in the top of the conference.  I think we also need to look at Schreiner some.  At home, they are a team to be reckoned with and that gym is a tough place to play.  It is possible that they could sneak up on someone as well.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on January 11, 2007, 04:05:47 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2007, 01:36:23 PM
Pirate, long time, no post!  How did the Cowgirls look since the McMurry game.  Who has caught your eyes among the Cowgirls?
Frankly, the Cowgirls seem to struggle at times.  After the final four, teams have their # and play lights out against us.  Brigg's has been grinding them in long, hard practices and we seem to play tired sometimes...  Hopefully this will pay off later.  Kristen Harris has been really coming on at the Post and Lacy Walker has been a bright spot with her hustle and going to the bucket.  Shelby Hodges will miss a few games starting tonight with a high ankle sprain, her defense will be missed.  Contruci has been hot and cold along with Dennard.  When we put it all together we can a very, very good team but we have not been able to do that yet.  It will come,  when I don't know.   All in all we just want to get in the tourney and then rattle the cage and see what comes out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 11, 2007, 05:53:58 PM
My point is not that HPU outscored McM and HSU by a large margin against a common opponent one time this year, but that they have done it consistently in all their games against common opponents.  That would seem, I think, to even out some of the differences of place and time and team matchups. As a McM fan, the last thing I want is to see the conference tournament end up in the Mausoleum, so I certainly hope HPU falls apart in the next few weeks!  ;D   But the numbers so far clearly say that this is a team to be reckoned with.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2007, 06:39:41 PM
I have created a separate message board for in-game updates for the women's games.

Let's move our in-game postings over there. :)

(This has been successful in ASC football and other conferences use in-game update boards for basketball as well.)

ASC In-game updates (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5051msg651390#new)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 11, 2007, 08:56:20 PM
Well it sounds like we really didn't shoot well, but a win is a win.  I don't really care if its by 30 or 1, as long as it goes in the W column. We need to just keep working hard and continue to put up the W's. We didn't score until 15 minutes into the game, the score was 8-0, so I'll just be happy with the win.  HSU was leading at half by about 13, was close for the first 15 minutes or so, but then  I went back to listening to McM.  Will be glad to get this road trip over and then be home for a while.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on January 12, 2007, 08:22:11 AM
Cowgirls were up by 25 points when Briggs put the third team in with 4:58 left in the game.  Final margin was 13 points.  Can we count the 25 points as the winning margin so our "win margin stat" will look better when compared to other teams?
Seriously, the Cowgirls played a pretty good second half as they shot the ball very well, kept turnovers down, and played great defense.  Good job, now go do it again Saturday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 12, 2007, 10:22:51 AM
Well, I was going to boast about CUA playing HSU to a 35-35 tie in the second half, but I wasn't aware of the third-string thing. Still, losing to a Top 10 squad by 13 isn't too shabby. Maybe we can upset McMurry come Saturday...you never know.

On the other hand, I think our starting center did pretty well against Contrucci, at least by the numbers. Contrucci had 12 points, shot 5-6 from the field, had four rebounds, and gave up four TO. Eddins scored 10, shot 4-8, pulled down 5, and had no TO. I think their minutes were close but I forgot to double-check that. I think Eddins is going to be pretty good if she sticks around. Maybe not All-America like Richardson, but definitely in the mix for 1st or 2nd team All-ASC West.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 12, 2007, 10:50:01 AM
With three of the top 16 teams on the West side, most of the conversation is about McMurry, HPU and HSU. But here is an article we released about senior Lacey Kennedy, one of the best players in the ASC the last several years. She is going for her 4th ASC East title in four years. The year she missed the season we did not win it. It is an interesting read for those not familiar with her story.
http://www.gochoctaws.com/News/wbball/2007/1/10/WBSKKennedyStory.asp?path=wbball (http://www.gochoctaws.com/News/wbball/2007/1/10/WBSKKennedyStory.asp?path=wbball)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 12, 2007, 02:08:56 PM
gccfan:

Good news and bad news for ETBU--Sunnie Davis--16 minutes played vs. Ozarks last night--3 blocked shots. Found out why Janelle wasn't in uniform for the game you attended. She apparently suffered a concussion during a practice.

Got a feeling ETBU will have its' hands full having to play both Mississippi College and UT-Tyler twice yet. :-X :-X :) ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 13, 2007, 02:07:45 PM
Live MC/UTT women's stats at http://www.gochoctaws.com/live/wbball/xlive.htm (http://www.gochoctaws.com/live/wbball/xlive.htm)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 13, 2007, 03:07:23 PM
McM 42 CUA 27. 16:00 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 13, 2007, 03:08:51 PM
UTT 51 Miss Coll 39.  15:34 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 13, 2007, 06:47:08 PM
UTT 79 MC 72 Final.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 13, 2007, 11:07:32 PM
I forget the final off-hand but McMurry won by about 15.

First time I've seen Tuttle or Richardson, and I'm impressed. Tuttle plays the smartest ball I've seen this year, especially at the point, and Richardson runs the floor remarkably well for her height and the level. I think she scored 12 of her 24 points in transition.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on January 13, 2007, 11:53:46 PM
Cowgirls without a doubt played their best game of the year today.  It was a total team effort as 4 girls were in double figures and another had 9 points.  Briggs was forced to go deep on the bench with Hodges out due to injury and Walker getting in early foul trouble.  Cizneros, Singletary, and Harris came in and did not miss a beat.   Defense was very solid throughout the game.   Looked like the Cowgirl team that made the final 4 run last year.  I was beginning to wonder if that team would show up this season and I believe they have.   Up by 26 pts with 6 minutes left was definitely a statement.....GO COWGIRLS!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ETigerBU on January 14, 2007, 06:35:11 PM
ETBU will be fine in the upcoming road trips! Yes there have been injuries but the Lady Tigers are resiliant and will find a way to pull it out! Luckily for us our bench is deeper than a lot of people are giving us credit for!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 15, 2007, 01:25:44 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on January 12, 2007, 10:50:01 AM
With three of the top 16 teams on the West side, most of the conversation is about McMurry, HPU and HSU. But here is an article we released about senior Lacey Kennedy, one of the best players in the ASC the last several years. She is going for her 4th ASC East title in four years. The year she missed the season we did not win it. It is an interesting read for those not familiar with her story.
http://www.gochoctaws.com/News/wbball/2007/1/10/WBSKKennedyStory.asp?path=wbball (http://www.gochoctaws.com/News/wbball/2007/1/10/WBSKKennedyStory.asp?path=wbball)

Chris, that's a nice article on Lacey... What are her career stats right now?  She has to be closing in on 2000 points and 1000 rebounds.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2007, 01:29:36 PM
1,633 points and 678 rebounds by my math.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 15, 2007, 04:12:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2007, 01:29:36 PM
1,633 points and 678 rebounds by my math.

Thanks Pat!  so I guess she will be closer to 1,850 points and 800 rebounds.  Still not too bad.  The ASC record is 1788 points by Kathryn Otwell of HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 15, 2007, 04:31:53 PM
Of course, Tarra Richardson is on pace to shatter the points, rebounds and blocked shot marks by the time she is done.  Looking at the McM website it appears that she has 1,333 points, 639 rebounds and 195 blocks at this time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2007, 04:58:20 PM
Quote from: gccfan on January 15, 2007, 04:31:53 PM
Of course, Tarra Richardson is on pace to shatter the points, rebounds and blocked shot marks by the time she is done.  Looking at the McM website it appears that she has 1,333 points, 639 rebounds and 195 blocks at this time.
gccfan, Tarra, has at least 11 games in the regular season this year and 25 regular season games next year.

Tarra could finish with 2000 points, 1000 rebounds and 300 hundred blocks.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 15, 2007, 05:46:37 PM
Quote from: gccfan on January 15, 2007, 01:25:44 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on January 12, 2007, 10:50:01 AM
With three of the top 16 teams on the West side, most of the conversation is about McMurry, HPU and HSU. But here is an article we released about senior Lacey Kennedy, one of the best players in the ASC the last several years. She is going for her 4th ASC East title in four years. The year she missed the season we did not win it. It is an interesting read for those not familiar with her story.
http://www.gochoctaws.com/News/wbball/2007/1/10/WBSKKennedyStory.asp?path=wbball (http://www.gochoctaws.com/News/wbball/2007/1/10/WBSKKennedyStory.asp?path=wbball)

Chris, that's a nice article on Lacey... What are her career stats right now?  She has to be closing in on 2000 points and 1000 rebounds.

Thanks. She has had a great career at MC and this season has been her best. I knew she was nearing the conference record but last season is gonna cost her 2,000 which is too bad because she was hurt. They thought she broke her wrist in the 5th game but she played through it and averaged just 14.4 points. Before the injury she was on pace for another 20 point season but shot just 45 percent afterward compared to 54 percent the rest of her career plus she was in a lot of pain. She could have set a record that would have been harder for Tarra to reach. This season she leads the league with 22.4 points and 10.3 boards.

If the team can come back and win the East this year, she would be one of the few ASC players to win four division titles and earn four First Team All-ASC selections. I would bet Kendra Anderson did it at HSU but I have not researched it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 15, 2007, 05:59:09 PM
Here are some final stats from the HPU-SRSU game.

SRSU

FG 25.5 %
3pt 20.0%
Ft 45.5
27 Rebounds
22 TO's

Woods 15 pts

HPU

FG 48.4 %
3pt 23.5 %
Ft 73.9 %

47 Rebounds
12 TO's

Daniels 19 pts
Blalock 16 pts
Hoffman 12 pts
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 15, 2007, 10:29:45 PM
So who won and what was the score?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 15, 2007, 10:42:10 PM
HPU won--the exact final is on the ASC Women's in-game Updates board:  :) ;) :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2007, 10:16:12 AM
How about that front page exposure, HPU fans! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on January 16, 2007, 01:28:24 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2007, 10:16:12 AM
How about that front page exposure, HPU fans! ;)

I'm not gonna lie to you Ralph, it feels pretty good!  :)  The next couple of weeks are gonna be some amazing basketball...buckle up everyone!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on January 16, 2007, 01:35:36 PM
hmmmm predictions time!!!  here is where i more often than not put my foot directly into my mouth.  And i'll do it again, unashamedly!  I'm an HPU fan...duh...which has always been my bias...and i dont care.  ;D  nonetheless i do believe that we are seeing the best HPU team to date (a team which seems to improve every single season!) and i do believe that we will see HPU Women's basketball in the Final Four this year!!!   

(now is where i wait for ol' "In the Paint" to come tell me how dumb i am! LOL)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2007, 01:59:51 PM
Quote from: Rob Don on January 16, 2007, 01:28:24 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2007, 10:16:12 AM
How about that front page exposure, HPU fans! ;)

I'm not gonna lie to you Ralph, it feels pretty good!  :)  The next couple of weeks are gonna be some amazing basketball...buckle up everyone!!!!!

Those are pictures from the Mausoleum, too!  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 16, 2007, 02:34:14 PM
It sure does look good. I hope the exposure helps the rest of the conference and we don't have to see HSU or McM in a regional and get a chance for all 3 teams to be in the Sweet 16.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 16, 2007, 02:52:21 PM
Predictions???????

HPU is not going to sweep four games from the  Abilene schools in two weeks.  In fairness to them if they played them with a different schedule they could of had a chance.   I know you guys hate when I say stuff our in California but I watch certain factors.  I still question if HPU has played someone on the level of HSU or MCM.  Yes they have great winning margins but I checked they minutes the starting rotation played,  even in the romps they are have same seven play  most of the minutes.  HSU and McM play a eight tem rotation and have several others ladies playing.
Now HPU is deserving respect.  Check,  I predicted HPU would be undefeated at this point and have a top ten rating.    Next week they will earn the raking.     
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 16, 2007, 03:19:23 PM
CUA vs. Colorado College cancelled due to bad weather.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 16, 2007, 04:13:10 PM
Watch out for lightening bolts, I am about to agree with calhsu!!!!!Man, I must be getting mellow in my old age.....I don't think HPU will go undefeated in the four games with McM and HSU. Who or where, I'm not real sure, but I hope it is at McM that they suffer their first defeat. I think HPU hasn't been challenged to the max yet, but how they handle their treck through Abilene will show. I can't make a prediction, but I know HPU is going to be tough but I think McM can beat them at home. Hopefully the old Sports Illustrated jinx isn't on HPU from the article on the front page!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 16, 2007, 05:35:51 PM
It should be an interesting two weeks, but doesn't McM and HSU play on the Monday before they play HPU??? Maybe we could see a fall out from McM or HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2007, 06:21:53 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on January 16, 2007, 05:35:51 PM
It should be an interesting two weeks, but doesn't McM and HSU play on the Monday before they play HPU??? Maybe we could see a fall out from McM or HSU.

Seth, I think that the loser of the McM-HSU game just re-doubles their efforts.

This is also when the coaches start working on "playoff-basketball".  I am pretty sure that all 3 make the NCAA's with 20 regular season wins, minimum.

And I suspect that we will all be sent to a Texas locale.

I ran Mappoint on Hendrix to McMurry.  It is 525 miles.  Hendrix to HPU is 506 miles.  That means an airplane ride for Hendrix,  or Hendrix gets sent to Saint Louis, if they get a Pool C bid or win the SCAC.

I don't think that Trinity will make it as a Pool C this year.  They are 9-5 and still a game with DePauw and host AC and Hendrix, to whom they lost earlier.  If Trinity wins the Tourney, then they will be sent somewhere.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 16, 2007, 07:18:23 PM
On another note, it would be great if it were possible to hold an ASC All-Star game with the first and second teams from the East and West playing each other, led by the respective Coaches of the Year. Held after the NCAA tourney, of course. Logistics would prevent it, most likely, unless some business sponsored the thing and paid for travel expenses. It would have to be held in a central location too.

Maybe someday...  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2007, 04:54:15 AM
It would have to be only seniors, as well, lest you risk the underclass players' remaining eligibility. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 17, 2007, 09:34:04 AM
Speaking of logistics, what happens if we have to cancel a lot of games because of current weather conditions?  The McM-Ozarks men's game had to be rescheduled because of the screwup with the officials, but that was just one game.  Is there time in the season to reschedule two or three games?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 17, 2007, 12:12:44 PM
Cal, just curious where you got your minutes from. 

Judging by the most recent stats HSU has 4 starters avg over 25 mins per game the most being 29.9 from Sarah Hauk(sp?). 

McM has 3 starters avg over 25 mins the most being Tuttle with 31.9. 

HPU only has one starter avg over 25 mins a game and that's Meia Daniels with 26.47.

And by the way HPU has 9 players avg at least 14 mins per game.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 17, 2007, 02:01:58 PM
Congrats to Lacey Kennedy and Meia Daniels for both making the d3hoops team of the week this week.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 17, 2007, 02:27:14 PM
Quote from: Rob Don on January 16, 2007, 01:35:36 PM
hmmmm predictions time!!!  here is where i more often than not put my foot directly into my mouth.  And i'll do it again, unashamedly!  I'm an HPU fan...duh...which has always been my bias...and i dont care.  ;D  nonetheless i do believe that we are seeing the best HPU team to date (a team which seems to improve every single season!) and i do believe that we will see HPU Women's basketball in the Final Four this year!!!   

(now is where i wait for ol' "In the Paint" to come tell me how dumb i am! LOL)

Not this year!  I think you may be right!   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 17, 2007, 02:50:11 PM
Paint dont give in yet.   HPU is not going to win four games in a row.  Maybe the last two.   

dballa    I check over the stat sheets of the games.  I compared close games to blow outs.   HPU plays pretty much the same seven no matter. Especially if you compare the same kind of games for the Abilene school.  Not really that important,  just a deeper bench which may or may not win you a game.   It might mean more over the course of season.  Case in point when HSU lost point guard near the end they had a person step up and play very well. 
Just make a prediction dballa,  is HPU going to win all four games or not?
Last year showed me something.  HSU has not been the dominant team it was for at least three or four years.  But they still know how to win and expect to win.   And they will not quit untill NCAA doesn't offer an invitation or lose in post season.   So next week is just the start of the real season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 17, 2007, 03:02:21 PM
I'm certainly not giving up but I have to agree that HPU is stronger this season than I, for one, have ever seen!  It may be a stretch to say they are a Final Four contender but this is the first year that I remember in which it is not out of the question! 

I am not giving up so much as I am refraining from my annual anti-HPU/pro-HSU rants!  The Jackets are something to shout about this season!

You are all witnessing a kinder, more gentle In the Paint!   ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU75 on January 17, 2007, 04:31:01 PM
I am not dballa, but I will make a prediction.  HPU is better than they have ever been, and in my opinion both HSU AND MCM are not quite as good as last year.  However, I would be absolutely shocked if my Lady Jackets win all 4 games in 9 days!  I have seen all 3 teams in person this year and I expect very few if any of you can say the same. I saw HPU/MISS. COLL., HSU/UMHB, MCM/UMHB AND MCM/STOUT.  Right now HPU is the best team, but they are certainly capable of being beaten, especially by one or both of the Abilene tandem.  From listening to games , reviewing the stats, and my one personal observation so far, HPU looks very tough. Of course, they have not been tested yet, and obviously HSU AND MCM are  both superior to what they have faced. Against MC  the  the first five baskets for HPU were each scored by a different starter.  Meia Daniels is still the best player in the conference in my opinion, but she has a lot more help.  They have improved shooting and rebounding and especially inside play which is what they needed to do,

Frankly, from what I have seen personally HSU was much more impressive than MCM.  Unless Sawyer is on fire I am not sure how MCM  gets enough  production ( except Richardson of course) to win. HSU plays hard and smart, but I still give HPU the edge right now.  Of course that is why they play the games on the court , not on the message boards.

I also do not agree that HPU is winning by such large margins by keeping the starters in--that is just not correct.  9 players have double digit minutes virtually every game and all 14 have played in almost every game.

Congrats to the Lady Jackets for the d3hoops "cover" story.  I do not expect any SI cover jinx--they are too good--at least I hope they are!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU75 on January 17, 2007, 04:49:15 PM
Also, congratulations to all 3 ASC teams for their national rankings this week:

HPU--D3HOOPS--#7; WBCA--#12

MCMURRY--D3HOOPS--#13; WBCA--#13

HSU--D3HOOPS--#15; WBCA--#18

Of course--the highest EVER for my alma mater--HPU--#7!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on January 17, 2007, 06:16:54 PM
Well, I guess I shall put in my two cents about the HPU/MCM/HSU games.  First off, lets not look past the UMHB/CUA week they have currently.  Granted, both games are at home which should bode well for HPU, but you just never know.  UMHB played both MCM and HSU tough last week and could be building as they tend to do this time of year. 

I will go out on a limb and say that HPU will win all four games.  It will, of course, be very hard to do with the talent HSU and MCM have, but I think starting with the away games for HPU will be beneficial for our defense.  We will be sharper and will be able to defend the perimeter better in the environments where HSU and MCM are lible to shoot their best, their home gyms.  Then, playing the teams in Brownwood should help with perimeter shooting percentages of MCM and HSU going down some when we may be a half second slower closing out.  The real key will be how much rest the opposing team vs. SRSU is able to get for key players.  Especially with MCM who loves the uptempo style. 

Richardson is going to get some points, but I have no doubt that Blalock can keep her at bay (at least if they can keep her off the boards!!)  Keeping Sawyer and other shooters not getting good looks and therefore gaining confidence in Brownwood will be key!  Similarly with HSU, who tends to have a more balanced attack, and you never know which player will have a big night (if anyone remembers it was @ HPU last year that got Singletary going and she was a major reason they won). 

Not to state the obvious, but we are gearing up for some great basketball, I just wish I could be in attendance for it!  Sting Em Jackets!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on January 17, 2007, 08:07:11 PM
HSU and Schreiner (and McMurry and TLU) have moved their games to Friday (5-7) and Saturday against TLU is at 4 and 6. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 17, 2007, 11:15:36 PM
wow getting called out to make a prediction on games that aren't even the focus of the teams attention right now.  Since it will make you happy I believe HPU will be the first conference team to 20 wins this season and they will do no worse than go 3-1 against the Abilene teams.  Although I think they can go 25-0 host the conference tourney win it and go very deep in the playoffs. 

I also predict inthepaint will dock me another karma point because i had yet another post in favor of HPU. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 18, 2007, 12:18:39 AM
Dballa-- if I were in your place,  undefeated team,  experienced team,  your prediction is (3-1,  hoping for clean sweep) exactly what I  would have gone with.    A 25-0 is a tall  order,  in the history of ASC,  HSU did it once.

Team character and chemistry is what wins games when they are among teams of similar strengths.  Those four games will show the character of the teams.    This is the third year for lots of these ladies to battle for this league.  And I bet the best games are still to be played.  3-1 is realistic,  but they still have to go on the court and do it.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 18, 2007, 10:20:20 AM
Sul Ross vs UMHB moved to Monday January 22.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 18, 2007, 10:58:18 AM
Quote from: dballa on January 17, 2007, 11:15:36 PM
I believe HPU will be the first conference team to 20 wins this season and they will do no worse than go 3-1 against the Abilene teams.  

I also predict inthepaint will dock me another karma point because i had yet another post in favor of HPU. :)

I pushed you up with another karma point.  Maybe since your second prediction failed your first one will, too!  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 18, 2007, 11:29:33 AM
I have heard that the Concordia women's coach  is throwing a fit and doesn't want to play HPU because they didn't travel to Brownwood the night before. The game might be postponed, but I haven't heard yet. I hope the game is played.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on January 18, 2007, 11:53:44 AM
I just hope HPU keeps reading their headlines and fan predictions.  To date you have played a pretty weak schedule and should be undefeated.  HPU has played only 4 teams with a winning record and your opponents are a combined 83 wins and 119 losses....4 of your opponets are a whopping 8 and 37.  Your bench should have lots of minutes.  Your stats should be terrific.  Your starters should have low minutes.
Keep druelling over the records and stats.  The season is just now starting.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 18, 2007, 01:00:49 PM
HPU's games versus Concordia men and women have been postponed to Monday Jan. 22nd at 5:30 and 7:30.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU75 on January 18, 2007, 01:41:49 PM
You are correct, Pirate--the real season is just starting. As usual, in all sports, in this conference the most arrogant fans are the cowpeople.  By the way,  I have been drooling, not druelling unless that is something I am unfamiliar with.

Sethhpu: Why would a team from Austin travel the day before?  Is that typical in D3?  It's only 140 miles!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on January 18, 2007, 02:04:44 PM
For a team to travel the day before a 5:30 night game with that short of distance, I would think, would be pretty rare.  For Concordia to get there in plenty of time would require them to leave Austin around 12 or 1, not outside the ideal travel times for ice to melt and roads arent bad anymore, I know, I live in the area.  I have a feeling that Coach Sharp is being her usual self, complaining at any opportunity.  She has always tried to find someway that her kids just aren't being treated fairly.  Coach Sharp is a real "pill" to put it nicely!  She probably really wanted to move the game to give her team a chance against HPU and play them after UMHB.  Just my observation!  Sorry CUAfan, I like you, just not your coach!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 18, 2007, 02:23:56 PM
What makes Concordia's grips even smaller is the fact that TLU is traveling to Abilene today. You can't tell me the roads are that bad between Austin and Brownwood.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU75 on January 18, 2007, 03:36:14 PM
I drove 35 miles to work today in the Austin area.   The roads are clear everywhere I have seen. Unless I am missing something, this is incredibly lame. Is she saying travel will be bad after the game back to Austin?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2007, 04:25:06 PM
The CUA rescheduling does change the number of games in the number of days for HPU.  McM and HSU have winnable home games on Friday and Saturday before their match on Monday.  HPU has winnable home games (maybe more challenging) on Sat and Monday before the gauntlet.

It kinda equalizes things. ;)

Quote from: calhsu on January 18, 2007, 12:18:39 AM
Dballa-- if I were in your place,  undefeated team,  experienced team,  your prediction is (3-1,  hoping for clean sweep) exactly what I  would have gone with.    A 25-0 is a tall  order,  in the history of ASC,  HSU did it once.

Team character and chemistry is what wins games when they are among teams of similar strengths.  Those four games will show the character of the teams.    This is the third year for lots of these ladies to battle for this league.  And I bet the best games are still to be played.  3-1 is realistic,  but they still have to go on the court and do it.   

In 2003, HSU went 24-0, and then lost to National Champion Trinity 67-61 in the second round to finish 27-1.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 18, 2007, 09:17:52 PM
HPU75----I have always liked to heat up the board with a challenge or two.   But when you refer to persons as  "cowpeople"  that really makes me laugh.    In Texas is the last place I would expect to heard rude remarks about cows.  That is the kind of stupid remark I would expect of my friends our here in California.
Actually cowboy in Texas is like a cow in India,  sacred.  Point is you don't mess with Texas or symbols of Texas.   
Tells us HSU can't win in Brownwood but "cowpeople."

Tell me this,  if someone came from New York and compared Abilene and Brownwood,  which would they consider more of a  "cowtown?"

And on behalf of all poor spellers......please give it a rest.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2007, 08:55:45 AM
Quote from: calhsu on January 18, 2007, 09:17:52 PM
HPU75----I have always liked to heat up the board with a challenge or two.   But when you refer to persons as  "cowpeople"  that really makes me laugh.    In Texas is the last place I would expect to heard rude remarks about cows.  That is the kind of stupid remark I would expect of my friends our here in California.
Actually cowboy in Texas is like a cow in India,  sacred.  Point is you don't mess with Texas or symbols of Texas.   
Tells us HSU can't win in Brownwood but "cowpeople."

Tell me this,  if someone came from New York and compared Abilene and Brownwood,  which would they consider more of a  "cowtown?"

And on behalf of all poor spellers......please give it a rest.

:D :D :D :D :D

C'mon calhsu, Foat Wuth is Cowtown!

Abilene is the Key City!

And Brownwoood is the home to one of the Seven Ancient Wonders of D3 Basketball World...the Brownwood Mausoleum, the interior of which recently graced the front page of this illustrious publication!

:D ;D ;) :D 8)

Travel safely, everyone!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 19, 2007, 10:23:24 AM
I don't know for sure, but here's my guess as to why Coach Sharp wanted the game moved.

Traveling the day of the game and playing that night is harder than traveling the day before and playing the next day. If they had to sit for however long it took to get to Brownwood, shoot around, and play all in one day, there's no way they'd be at their best come game time. Sure, TLU traveled to Abilene yesterday, but they weren't playing the game until today, therefore the two situations aren't comparable. Yesterday I overheard someone (I think it was the coach) remark about one time this past season when our volleyball team bussed to Brownwood and had precious little time to work out the "travel kinks" and warm up before the game. I think Coach Sharp had a legitimate reason to want the game moved. Did she make a mountain out of a mole hill? Maybe, but she still had a good reason.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on January 19, 2007, 11:32:49 AM
CUAfan, kudos for sticking up for your coach, but you just aren't right in this respect.  For that short of travel teams don't spend the night before the game and they don't come up early for a shoot around.  It is more like a high school game where you come, change, shoot around, have pre-game talk, warm-up and the game is on.  D3 budgets don't allow you to spend the night before every game.  With so many opponents a long ways away (East opponents, SRSU, etc) you can't do it.  Two and a half hours is not a long trip.  If it is, where do you draw the line, 2 hours from HPU to UMHB, 1.25 hrs. to HSU and MCM, give me a break!  Plus, sometimes it is better for the players to go up the day of the game.  What is CUA going to do in Brownwood all day before a 5:30 game.  You would have kids sleeping in really late or all afternoon which isn't what you want as a coach either.

To put it bluntly, your coach is a jerk and there is no way around that.  She feels she should get special treatment because of her past.  She WAS a great coach and has HAD a lot of success, just not in the ASC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 19, 2007, 02:28:18 PM
*shrugs* Had to try, didn't I?  :P

Can't really argue with your comment about her track record though. Her first two seasons, though, first set then tied the record for most wins in a season. Though...she did have Ashley Edwards on those two squads, and she appears to have been the difference. Good points all, thundercat.

For the record, I've never been to Brownwood so I had no clue how long the trip was. :P That's what I get for speaking in ignorance.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2007, 04:34:16 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on January 19, 2007, 02:28:18 PM
...
For the record, I've never been to Brownwood so I had no clue how long the trip was. :P That's what I get for speaking in ignorance.

You gotta go to Brownwood some time!   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 19, 2007, 05:49:27 PM
I believe the politically correct terminology for referring to people with associations with cows is cowpersons, not cowpeople.   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 20, 2007, 02:22:27 AM
McM 82, TLU 65 (http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_lc_mcmurry_univ/article/0,1874,ABIL_8787_5293048,00.html)

Lots of PT for the bench...28 points worth, and the last 13 minutes of the 2nd half.

Three games in 4 days!  Go LIB!  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 20, 2007, 11:23:22 PM
Sul Ross 57, CUA 55
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 20, 2007, 11:34:14 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on January 20, 2007, 11:23:22 PM
Sul Ross 57, CUA 55
That must be the biggest upset of the year!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on January 21, 2007, 12:17:25 AM
Never, ever go out to Alpine and think anything but we are in for a tough contest.  I think it must be the air out there in the high country.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ETigerBU on January 21, 2007, 12:58:40 AM
For all those doubting ETBU...the win against UT-Tyler was impressing to say the least! So the team is now 2.5 games up on the nearest East Division opponent, which just happens to be UT-Tyler!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2007, 02:14:18 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2007, 04:34:16 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on January 19, 2007, 02:28:18 PM
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For the record, I've never been to Brownwood so I had no clue how long the trip was. :P That's what I get for speaking in ignorance.

You gotta go to Brownwood some time!   ;)

Sheesh, even I've been to Brownwood. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: atn alum on January 21, 2007, 05:12:40 PM
I've joked with our publisher that I should auction off my women's top 25 first-place vote this week?

I must admit. I don't know what to do about everything, as I could pick any of 7 or 8 teams...

Anyone wanna make a legitimate argument (as opposed to trash talk) as to why I should bump HPU up to #1?

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2007, 07:11:11 PM
Quote from: atnwriter on January 21, 2007, 05:12:40 PM
I've joked with our publisher that I should auction off my women's top 25 first-place vote this week?

I must admit. I don't know what to do about everything, as I could pick any of 7 or 8 teams...

Anyone wanna make a legitimate argument (as opposed to trash talk) as to why I should bump HPU up to #1?

I am interested in how strong HPU really is.  I believe that HPU has more team size than the usual ASC post-season team. Beating them will be tough.  We at McMurry must focus on the HSU game tomorrow night.  (I predict SRO at Kimbrell Arena tomorrow night!)  I don't think that you can vote an ASC #1 until we, as a conference, have more presence in the Final Four as a Conference.  We have only done it once.  We saw Trinity go thru HSU in 2003, so maybe Texas would get credit for a 2nd.

As for 3 teams in the Top 15, Pat Coleman saw all 3 teams on the Tour de Tejas.  I think that he will understand the progression thru the playoffs in the Texas sub-Bracket.

Let's just keep eyes on HPU for now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2007, 07:33:07 PM
ASC Fans, Please check out what Pat Coleman says about HPU in the first hour of Hoopsville. You can download the mp3 later.

Hoopsville gives you a great insight as to D3 basketball around the country.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU75 on January 21, 2007, 07:42:18 PM
I am an HPU grad and fan, but I have to agree with Ralph. HPU as a team and the ASC as a conference have not paid enough dues (i.e., tournament success) to claim we(or any ASC team) deserve No 1; however, after HSU went to the final four last year with  what I think(as evidenced by the head-to-head games) was a similar    team as McMurry or HPU last year, we are all getting closer to that national respect.  As I have said, I have seen MCM twice , HSU once and now HPU twice in person.  I was at the HPU/UMHB game yesterday and while HPU did not play super well and UMHB shot very well--especially 3 pointers and mid range jumpers-- it was good to see our team get challenged and respond.  Meia Daniels is VERY VERY  difficult to stop to put it mildly.  Kim Hoffman played very well also, but our posts not quite as much.  Next week will be very interesting. 

I am convinced HPU(as well the Abilene duo) can play with any of those teams in the top echelon, but even I would not go that high(#1) yet!! If we run the gauntlet the next couple of weeks--which I frankly think will be almost impossible to do-- I may change my mind!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU75 on January 21, 2007, 07:51:09 PM
HPU ALSO GOT VERY NICE GAMES OFF THE BENCH YESTERDAY FROM DAPHNIE PIPPINS AND HOPE HOHERTZ--AND WE NEEDED IT!! UMHB PLAYED VERY WELL. UMHB'S COACH SAT HER STARTERS DOWN FOR MUCH OF THE HSU GAME'S SECOND HALF THE SATURDAY BEFORE AND THEY SEEMED TO RESPOND YESTERDAY.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on January 21, 2007, 10:37:50 PM
Ralph -- The biggest upset of the year??? SR over CUA
How about ETBU over UTT or McM over HPU tomorrow
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2007, 11:24:52 PM
Quote from: jmnaseum on January 21, 2007, 10:37:50 PM
Ralph -- The biggest upset of the year??? SR over CUA
How about ETBU over UTT or McM over HPU tomorrow

HPU plays CUA tomorrow after a long trip back from Alpine.

I don't think that a home McMurry win over HPU is an upset.

Realistically, the HPU-HSU-McM series are all rivalry games, every year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on January 22, 2007, 11:29:40 AM
Quote from: HPU75 on January 21, 2007, 07:42:18 PM
HPU as a team and the ASC as a conference have not paid enough dues (i.e., tournament success) to claim we(or any ASC team) deserve No 1; however, after HSU went to the final four last year with  what I think(as evidenced by the head-to-head games) was a similar    team as McMurry or HPU last year, we are all getting closer to that national respect.

Unfortunately, the NCAA may never allow more than one ASC team a shot at the Final Four with the way it is set up right now.  What a shame if HPU, HSU and MCM have to play at the same first/second round site and therefore play each other.  I would love to see at least one team host from other regions or be sent to another region. 

HPU75, I agree that the #1 ranking would be a little bit of a stretch right now for HPU.  UMHB was really their first true test of the season, even though UTT and ETBU are also very good teams.  I think HPU definitely has the talent to be #1, but have not earned that ranking just yet.  After the next few weeks we will have a better look at where we stand.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 22, 2007, 11:35:47 AM
Ralph, just listened to Hoopsville, very interesting comments made by Pat. I agree with him but I also think if McM or HSU wins three straight meaning the head to head then the two games agaisnt HPU they should be legit top 10. Should be an interesting two weeks.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on January 22, 2007, 12:12:48 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on January 17, 2007, 03:02:21 PM
I'm certainly not giving up but I have to agree that HPU is stronger this season than I, for one, have ever seen!  It may be a stretch to say they are a Final Four contender but this is the first year that I remember in which it is not out of the question! 

I am not giving up so much as I am refraining from my annual anti-HPU/pro-HSU rants!  The Jackets are something to shout about this season!

You are all witnessing a kinder, more gentle In the Paint!   ::)

Paint...Its good to hear from ya, been awhile.  Looks like that ol' HPU coach is doing alright in bwood.  must be the snicker bars ;) 

And i do agree that its a stretch to make it to the final four, its a stretch for anyone to beat one great team after another to get that far.  Nonetheless...This is the best HPU team i've ever seen; and ive seen all the previous teams...these girls are somthing special!  I look forward to the coming weeks of bball!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 22, 2007, 04:32:34 PM
In the past I have been reluctant to jump on the HPU bandwagon because of, primarily, coaching.  Their coaching staff was inexperienced and it takes great coaching along with great talent to navagate the challenges of postseason play.  With each passing season and each new accomplishment their experience level grows exponentially.  In the past HPU's coaching staff got "schooled" by other ASC coaches who simply had so much more experience.  That is no longer the case.  The grid of coaching experience and athletic talent may be right for an HPU postseason run. 

As others have pointed out, HPU faces a heavy challenge in their contests with the Abilene perenial powerhouses.  This will be a test of the HPU program.  We'll see just how prepared they are.  They certainly seem to be ready.  It will be fun to watch. 

It is certainly nice to see more than one ASC team as true contenders for significant postseason play!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ETigerBU on January 22, 2007, 08:11:01 PM
Quote from: jmnaseum on January 21, 2007, 10:37:50 PM
Ralph -- The biggest upset of the year??? SR over CUA
How about ETBU over UTT or McM over HPU tomorrow


I don't see how anyone can say that ETBU over UTT was an upset.  Going into the game, ETBU was up a game and a half on UTT.  So ETBU was statistically favored to win the game. The upset would have been UTT over ETBU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2007, 08:23:43 PM
HSU 77, McM 67;  Congratulations, Pirate-on-the-Brazos!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 22, 2007, 08:30:14 PM
Got to listen to the last four minutes of the game.  Love to listen to MCM radio people explain things. (my favorite was when they said that three game in four days finally caught up with McM.  It seems to me that every lady on the court for both team had done the same.) >:(  No time for you MCM fans to get upset.  Time to deal with the Brownwood invasion. 

Can coach Briggs get credit for second half adjustments?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 22, 2007, 08:36:22 PM
I was listening to the McM HSU game as well, my first pleasure of McM radio. I loved the constant comments at the refs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2007, 08:39:02 PM
Is HSU not broadcasting any games this year besides football?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2007, 08:39:45 PM
There seems to be a lot of biased broadcasting in the state of Texas, let's be honest. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2007, 08:40:37 PM
Quote from: calhsu on January 22, 2007, 08:30:14 PM
Got to listen to the last four minutes of the game.  Love to listen to MCM radio people explain things. (my favorite was when they said that three game in four days finally caught up with McM.  It seems to me that every lady on the court for both team had done the same.) >:(  No time for you MCM fans to get upset.  Time to deal with the Brownwood invasion. 

Can coach Briggs get credit for second half adjustments?

Cal, you also heard the McMurry announcers say that HSU women dominated McM in the second half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 22, 2007, 08:41:06 PM
Quote from: calhsu on January 22, 2007, 08:30:14 PM
Got to listen to the last four minutes of the game.  Love to listen to MCM radio people explain things. (my favorite was when they said that three game in four days finally caught up with McM.  It seems to me that every lady on the court for both team had done the same.) >:(  No time for you MCM fans to get upset.  Time to deal with the Brownwood invasion. 

Can coach Briggs get credit for second half adjustments?

Calhsu: I listened to the whole feed, and the McM radio people were beefing about the officiating off and on throughout the entire game.  I did note during one stretch, they did cite an adjustment that HSU made, in which one Cowgirl player was allowed to get a handful of easy layups in the second half, which enabled them to build up their lead. 

(BTW, don't you just love your "pleasant problem" -- to have 3 nationally ranked teams in the same division--barring collapse come Nationals at least one of them ends up being eliminated earlier than they should, IMHO--just my .02)  :-X :-X ;) ;)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2007, 08:43:37 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2007, 08:39:45 PM
There seems to be a lot of biased broadcasting in the state of Texas, let's be honest. :)

Except when that guy from Connecticut calls games.     ;) :D ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2007, 08:44:59 PM
I try. Though please, I'm from Minnesota. I just happen to be living in Connecticut for now. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2007, 08:46:40 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on January 22, 2007, 08:41:06 PM

Calhsu: I listened to the whole feed, and the McM radio people were beefing about the officiating off and on throughout the entire game.  


I am looking forward to video streaming, hopefully next year!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2007, 08:49:18 PM
I always thought that the quality of officiating at the Texas D3 level (and maybe even high school) was football, then baseball and finally basketball.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2007, 08:57:53 PM
The Colorado City TX Record announces that Colorado City, TX native HSU All-American Kendra Anderson will be seen on the February 9th episode of Wheel of Fortune!

I won't tell you how much money she won, but I think that the HSU Institutional Development Department has seen the press clipping.  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2007, 09:00:07 PM
One of the tie-breakers is point differential up to 10 points.  HSU is +5 on McMurry.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1fan on January 22, 2007, 09:01:59 PM
McMurry girls keep your heads up. Substitution seemed to be a factor.  
Arrggghhh!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 22, 2007, 09:05:20 PM
To be sure I want the MCM girls to do what they have to tonight,  but  Thursday take it out on whoever and then give HPU its second lose of the weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 22, 2007, 09:18:23 PM
Any HSUer's gonna be at the game on Thursday?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 22, 2007, 09:21:51 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2007, 08:39:02 PM
Is HSU not broadcasting any games this year besides football?

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 22, 2007, 09:24:21 PM
My info dropped off when I hit the "post"...

Anyway the home games are supposed to be on "gametracker" and the road games are suppose to be onthe radio...at least that is the information provied by the HSU SID a few days ago.  (Of course anything is always subject to change.)  ;)

Great game, COWGIRLS!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on January 22, 2007, 11:05:40 PM
Congrats to the HSU Cowgirls on a great win!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 12:15:45 AM
Quote from: #1fan on January 22, 2007, 09:01:59 PM
McMurry girls keep your heads up. Substitution seemed to be a factor. 
Arrggghhh!!!!!!!

Changing your e-mail address to something fake locks you out of the system. The software is smarter than that.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2007, 12:33:40 AM
My bad!  Sorry that I misspelled your last name all night, Melissa Contrucci!

Congratulations and see you in the tourney! May we meet 2 more times this year!  ;)

I just want to win the last game we play this year!  ;D

One minor correction to the press release. HSU has given us 3 of our last 5 losses, (UW-Stout this year and HPU last year.)

As for the last 8 meetings, we are 4-4.  That is good basketball! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 23, 2007, 01:15:52 AM
It would be nice to gloat over the win.   To use a quote from Ted Turner's "Gettysburg" when Lee confronts Stuart over his absent and Stuart wants to resign,  Lee shut him down with  "there is not time."   No time to savor because the Jackets are coming.  They can be beat and this is the week to do it.  I like the way the Cowgirls are spreading the scoring.  What an addition Hobbs has been.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 23, 2007, 01:29:26 AM
Well, I was there and yeah some of the calls I thought were a little questionable. Tarra got hammered under the bucket more than once with no call...but sometimes thats the way it goes. She made up for it in the second half, still had a double double. We're okay, we have to dig deep inside ourselves and decide where we want to be, thats all that is holding these ladies back.  Player for player, these ladies are special. I love 'em anyway. There is so much more to them than this one game. Work hard ladies/we fans never give up on you. Lots of basketball to play and this week is a big one. Bring on Sully and HPU, they ain't scared...............
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 23, 2007, 03:09:59 AM
Fanstand---If HSU had lost tonight (yesterday)  the attitude you have is exactly what  I would have.    It is as they say  the one who laughs last.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 23, 2007, 06:02:44 AM
My apologies (to al in general,  to calhsu in particular) for fanning the flame against the officials--should have thought to put more balance on my original post to begin with--when I amended the post, I indicated that the McM announcers  did note how one Cowgirl player (Hobbs???) was able to penetrate inside for several lay-ups in the second half, which enabled HSU to build the lead up the way they did.

My bad.  ::) ::) ::) ::) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 23, 2007, 09:35:53 AM
WLCALUM83, don't apologize. As an official's wife, I have learned to watch the game a little different. I still yell at them (and I get in trouble), so I try hard to be just a tad more objective.  The calls on Amber in the first period were incorrect I felt. During the second half I thought they called a little ticky-tack on us, while we got hammered.  At one point, I saw Leon nearly jump out of his chair with his hands up in the air. Did their calls make a difference in the outcome? No, it changed some momentum, but the intentional on Symbri wasn't necessary either. We didn't adjust the second half and allowed some three's, that was the difference. I like the debate the more fire the better.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 23, 2007, 11:59:39 AM
I'm getting older,  and I hope a little wiser.   I spent years yelling at bad officals.  One night one of the fellow parents turned around and told me to cool it.    I thought, gee this might be a bad example for a local clergy so I decided to work the clock at the games.  After years of not yelling anymore I still see horrible calls all the time, but  you have to realize that at no level of basketball do fans think the refs know what they are doing.  I'm talking from the grade school leagues right up to the NBA.  It is as much part of basketball as a jump shot.  I've often noticed also that the team that loses is always more concerned with how bad the offficals were.  And----if you get really worked up over a certain crew,  the next time you have them you start with a built in bad attitude.    I am a volleyball ref, high school, (I wouldn't do basketball for all the money in the world)  and I always felt that the teams decide the games not me.  So get over my call and play the game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 23, 2007, 12:12:14 PM
Officials are as perfect as the players and the coaches. I guarantee they don't do it for the money. Its about the kids and the game. Are there bad ones out there? Sure, but most are just dads, moms and people who love the game. In a close game a bad call, can make a difference, just as a bad pass or a bad shot. There are some great pictures on abilenesports.com of last nights game, though you can't really tell everything, it does tell a story.
Watch the slideshow, great job of catching the action.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 12:51:21 PM
Quote from: fanstand on January 23, 2007, 09:35:53 AM
At one point, I saw Leon nearly jump out of his chair with his hands up in the air.

On press row? Sheesh, he better be careful. You can get thrown out for that.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 23, 2007, 01:38:29 PM
HPU 55, CUA 48

How 'bout those Tornados, hanging close with the #7 LadyJackets. If ever there were a moral victory...  :P
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2007, 01:40:27 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on January 23, 2007, 01:38:29 PM
HPU 55, CUA 48

How 'bout those Tornados, hanging close with the #7 LadyJackets. If ever there were a moral victory...  :P

:D :D :D :D :D

The rest of the conference wasn't thinking about the CUA morals!

We wanted CUA to do the real thing!  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUats on January 23, 2007, 02:06:38 PM
Quote from: fanstand on January 23, 2007, 09:35:53 AM
...but the intentional on Symbri wasn't necessary either.

I loved this game, two great teams battled in front of a huge rival crowd. I'm sure the officiating ordeal is being over played, but heres my two cents. I thought the officiating was very consistent for both sides. Calls were made on both sides that should not have been called, and there were some fouls that shoul have been called for both sides. My wife is too an official and she thought(from her view point) that the intentional foul was called because she(Symbri Tuttle) extended her arms as in a pushing motion and that there wasn't any attempt to go for the ball as she was behind the HSU girl.


But none the less im sure these two teams will meet up again and it will be another great game.


I'm proud of those girls!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 23, 2007, 02:11:18 PM
I'll give it to CUA they played well, I guess driving up the day before helped a little. Now to focus on the Cowgirls who are playing some of there basketball of the year. I am curious as to how HSU will attack HPU's defense.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 23, 2007, 03:43:51 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2007, 08:57:53 PM
The Colorado City TX Record announces that Colorado City, TX native HSU All-American Kendra Anderson will be seen on the February 9th episode of Wheel of Fortune!

I never grow tired of writing, "Congratulations Kendra!"   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on January 23, 2007, 04:28:39 PM
Quote from: HSUats on January 23, 2007, 02:06:38 PM
I loved this game, two great teams battled in front of a huge rival crowd.

Were there really 2200 in attendance or were the numbers inflated a little for NCAA hosting purposes.  Just curious.

As for the coming games, I am very excited to see where HPU stands.  I know that they have the talent and coaching, but do they?  I will say this as well, it is nice to finally have mutual respect from/for other teams.  Although I am a die-hard HPU fan, I still have lots of respect to the HSU and MCM teams.  I don't like Sam all that much but there is no denying that he has his kids playing.  HSU has always had that swagger and confidence no matter what caliber of talent they have on the court which is admirable.  Anyway, what I am getting at is that I am ready to see it all out on the court.  Time to see who wants it the most!     
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 04:31:06 PM
Quote from: thundercat on January 23, 2007, 04:28:39 PM
Quote from: HSUats on January 23, 2007, 02:06:38 PM
I loved this game, two great teams battled in front of a huge rival crowd.

Were there really 2200 in attendance or were the numbers inflated a little for NCAA hosting purposes.  Just curious.

The NCAA doesn't really work this way.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2007, 05:22:10 PM
Quote from: thundercat on January 23, 2007, 04:28:39 PM
Quote from: HSUats on January 23, 2007, 02:06:38 PM
I loved this game, two great teams battled in front of a huge rival crowd.

Were there really 2200 in attendance or were the numbers inflated a little for NCAA hosting purposes.  Just curious.   

Here are the photos from last night's McM-HSU game. 

www.abilenesportz.com

The women's game began at 5:30, so there were fans filing in up until the men's started.  HSU is known for having larger crowds at their women's games than the men's.

Pat Coleman shot these pictures (http://www.d3hoops.com/gallery.php?gallery=36835) at the HSU-McM game in Jan 2005.

I don't know what number the fire marshall uses for a capacity crowd, but Kimbrell Arena was looked full last night.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 23, 2007, 05:43:20 PM
I appreciate the link to the photo source!  It prompted me to do some web browsing and I ended up at the HPU page.  They have photos on their site of the Lady Jackets in action.  Either those photos were taken during the break between semesters or the interest in HPU women's basketball is less than one would expect based on the posts here.  The place was empty in those photos!  Is the typical home game well attended in Browntown?  ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2007, 05:55:44 PM
Also remember that the Brownwood Coliseum has a capacity of 4500, and I can remember a McMurry HPU men's game in 1971 that had nearly that many.

In some ways, ESPN has killed small town athletics.  The HPU Jackets were big-time in the Lone Star Conference in the early 1970's, because you weren't seeing 15 D-1 College games and 5 NBA games a week!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 23, 2007, 05:57:18 PM
inthepaint, the crowds for the HPU games have been less than stellar.  The largest crowd for HPU occured on Saturday at the UMHB games.  Other than that the fans really haven't turned out and it's pretty sad.  They are missing some great basketball.  I know some of the reasons for the small turnout from the Brownwood faithful is that some of the games happen at the same time other events in Brownwood happen such as Monday nights game falling on the same night as the Brownwood football banquet. 

But really there is no reason they shouldn't have 1,500 or more fans there every night.  There should be well over 2,000 for the HSU/McM games next week. They'll turn out for those big games and support HPU but not the rest of the year. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 23, 2007, 06:08:15 PM
Quote from: dballa on January 23, 2007, 05:57:18 PM
inthepaint, the crowds for the HPU games have been less than stellar. . . But really there is no reason they shouldn't have 1,500 or more fans there every night.  There should be well over 2,000 for the HSU/McM games next week. They'll turn out for those big games and support HPU but not the rest of the year. 

I am surprised and understand your perspective.  It would seem to me that the community would be excited about their local team, especially in a year like this when the Lady Jackets are on a significant winning streak.  Maybe the school administration should do a little more local promotion to rally the community interest. 

Thanks for the response, DBalla.  This ought to be a great couple of weeks of basketball!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2007, 06:53:06 PM
Last weekend was Brown County School Kids Night.  Any student in the Brown County schools could get in free.

That is a big promotion!  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU75 on January 23, 2007, 09:18:17 PM
Sadly, things have really changed since the 1960's and 1970's in Brownwood, at least as it relates to HPU basketball.  Of course, it was only the men then, but I remember many games (especially in the mid and late 60's when I was a teenager) when the Coliseum was full or nearly full on many occasions.  Even when I was in HPU in the 1970's we had some really big crowds.  That is, however, a REALLY big venue.  I live 2+ hours away now so I don't see all the games.  I was at the UMHB  games Saturday and there was at least a decent crowd, but of course it still left a lot of room.  Surely next week with HSU AND MCM we will get the big turnout.  WE WILL NEED ALL THE HELP WE CAN GET!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 24, 2007, 11:30:57 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2007, 06:53:06 PM
Last weekend was Brown County School Kids Night.  Any student in the Brown County schools could get in free.

That is a big promotion!  :)

How many students took advantage of the free offer?  The key to get a crowd is to make the whole evening an experience.  I attended a Mavericks game recently and was amazed at how electrifying the whole evening was.  There is an obvious difference between a professional sports team's budget and that of a small college, but the experience can certainly be magnified a bit.  A live band, very active announcer, dance numbers (Baptists?) during time outs, t-shirt give-a-ways, mascots in the stands, discounted concessions, fan participation with free throws, 3-shot contests, etc with BIG prizes, half-time "games" between community leaders and very identifiable figures, lots and lots of music, etc.  Electrifying! 

Well, enough of this.  This board is about basketball, not promotions.  I feel better just venting.   ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 24, 2007, 11:44:12 AM
HPU does do a few things.  They have a t-shirt giveaway at each media timeout.  The Brown County School days do continue into the home games Feb 1st and 3rd against HSU/McM.  Also on those days it's "Spirit Week" for HPU.  Thursday night will be a white out night where all HPU fans are encouraged to wear white shirts and a blue out day against McM where everybody is encouraged to wear navy blue.  They are doing a few things but it would be nice to get that support without having to give something away or have other kinds of promotions.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on January 24, 2007, 02:20:29 PM
Do you think having games off campus makes a big difference in student attendance?  Just wanted to get others ideas.  Also, do they still have intramural games on thursday nights?  If so that is a huge shame!  Most participating in basketball intramurals are the same ones that would be at the games.  If it is still scheduled this way they need to look into changing!   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 24, 2007, 02:29:28 PM
I don't think the games being off campus hurts, there just seems like a disinterest in the games. Some of the girls were wanting some support from the crowd and the crowd just sat there instead of getting into the game. It is frustrating from where I was sitting, and yes intrmurals for some odd reason are played on Thursday night.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 25, 2007, 10:38:06 AM
The big HPU-HSU matchup comes tonight.  Should be interesting to see how Coach Briggs sets things up to deal with the Yellow Jackets.  With McM on Monday, she seems to assigned Hobbs to contain Richardson.  Every time Richardson checked in, Hobbs checked in.  When Richardson checked out, Hobbs checked out.  Hobbs stuck to Richardson like glue and cut her normal point production in half, so the strategy obviously worked.  Will there be a repeat tonight on Meia Daniels?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 25, 2007, 11:15:32 AM
Hobbs and Contrucci will have their hands full with Hoffman and Blalock/ Meia will have Dennard or Walker guarding her. Will be a good match up. Too bad we can't be in two places at once. I would like to see both games, but not bad enough to miss McM L.I.B. and Sul Ross.  Don't look ahead to Saturday play strong tonite..
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 25, 2007, 01:45:50 PM
QuoteDon't look ahead to Saturday play strong tonite..
That's the bottom line!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on January 25, 2007, 02:34:42 PM
I am kind of surprised how quiet this board is with the upcoming games!  I guess everyone knows that there is just no way to predict the winner!  I am dying to be there for the games!  Stupid job!  I will be listening intently online though!  I am assuming you will be able to connect through the HSU site or will Dallas Houston be doing commentary for the HPU site.  Does anyone know?  I would love to get Dallas' point of view on the action!  He can make me feel like I am at the game!  Good luck to the Jackets!  Play with confidence!

Is it 5:30 yet?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 25, 2007, 02:41:10 PM
thundercat check out www.hputx.edu and go to the athletics link to the women's basketball page.  It will have a link to the broadcast schedule and you can check out the game on the internet through Dallas Huston's perspective.

I'm not going to be able to make it to the game tonight either due to my job being in the opposite direction.  So i'll be listening to Dallas and checking out HSU's live stats while wearing my blue and gold :)

Sting 'Em Jackets!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 25, 2007, 02:51:48 PM
Off to Abilene to be loud and proud, maybe I'll be heard on the radio. Sting 'em!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 25, 2007, 05:39:33 PM
I'll throw in .02 for the "other" division--Go, ETBU!! :D :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 25, 2007, 06:14:07 PM
MC vs LeTourneau men's live stats http://www.gochoctaws.com/live/wbball/xlive.htm (http://www.gochoctaws.com/live/wbball/xlive.htm)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on January 25, 2007, 08:21:14 PM
Atta baby HPU!!! Nice win at a very tough place to play!  I am so proud of you!  Go and get one more on saturday! (Could you maybe rebound a little better on saturday as well!)  Keep it up!  Tonight was only 1.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2007, 12:31:38 AM
I saw the HPU-HSU game.  HPU was up by 10 and the Cowgirls cut it to 1 with less than a minute left, 55-54.

On 2 occasions, the Cowgirls had the chance to tie go ahead and the chance to tie, but HPU's Molly Buker created 2 turnovers and hit the FT's to make it 57-54 and finally 59-54.

Blalock spent about 10-12 minutes on the bench with foul trouble and the Jackets held the lead.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 26, 2007, 12:48:42 AM
dsc here is my take on the game. HSU made a lot of unforced errors, but it was all brought on by HPU's pressure. I mean HSU had 28 turnovers and not all were errors by HSU. Oh and Ralph not only was Blaylock on the bench but HPU only shot 33% from the field for the game and I think HSU was 45%. It was a great defensive effort tonight. Something I noticed a little different was HSU's fans didn't get into the game until they cut it to 1. I thought it was funny after the game some of the HSU students were yelling Final Four, and I thought great accomplishment but to bad it is the wrong year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 26, 2007, 02:09:22 AM
Quote from: sethhpu on January 26, 2007, 12:48:42 AM
dsc here is my take on the game. HSU made a lot of unforced errors, but it was all brought on by HPU's pressure. I mean HSU had 28 turnovers and not all were errors by HSU. Oh and Ralph not only was Blaylock on the bench but HPU only shot 33% from the field for the game and I think HSU was 45%. It was a great defensive effort tonight. Something I noticed a little different was HSU's fans didn't get into the game until they cut it to 1. I thought it was funny after the game some of the HSU students were yelling Final Four, and I thought great accomplishment but to bad it is the wrong year. [/quote

Thank you, sethhpu...yes, that would be funny ::)...to hear that :o, but funnier if HSU could get in the playoffs like last year...and make it to the final four!  ;)  Anyway, from a HSU fan! :'(

I always figure that most turnovers are caused, not made...so HPU did a good job in "rattling" the Cowgirls.  As Ralph indicates the game "almost" went the other way... :P

It should be fun in Brownwood on the return, or even Saturday at McM. :-\

Thanks for the comments...much appreciated.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lcwildcatfan on January 26, 2007, 03:05:52 AM
I heard the assistant coach from the LC women's team resigned today. Is Coach Potera-Haskins really that hard to work for? What is the deal? I googled her and saw where she had assistants in the past quit during the season. Her assistant is great and hard-working. He deserves better.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 26, 2007, 09:53:20 AM
Speaking of the Final Four, or at least the post-season, last year HSU, HPU, and McM all got into the post-season even though HSU and HPU got knocked out of the conference tournament before the final game – presumably because they all had such close records during the season.  If HPU pulls away (if they beat us at McM tomorrow, they'll have a 2-game lead), barring later losses what is the chance that all three teams could again be invited to the post-season unless one of them actually wins the conference tournament?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 26, 2007, 09:53:43 AM
CUA 75, Schreiner 68

Two CUA players with double-doubles. Harris with 13 points (I think) and 16 boards, and Zeleny (who's only started 4 games I think) who posted 12 and 15. I don't care who you're playing, 15-16 rebounds is pretty dang good.

The win moves CUA into 5th place in the division, three games back of UMHB for the last tourney spot. I don't know if we'll catch 'em, but we're sure gonna try! Even if we don't, we'll be losing only 3 seniors, none of whom start. Symbri and Richardson are seniors, right?  :P
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 26, 2007, 10:11:10 AM
CUAfan, only Symbri a senior, all others of LIB are underclassmen. Those will be really big shoes we have to fill next year, but they'll find someone to step in and take over for her. She has led by example, and there are some players who I'm sure will rise to the challange. I am exhausted, I cannot imagine how the teams are feeling.......this is a tough run for all of them. I have been saying HPU is for real, but they are not unbeatable. Whoever has the legs and the heart, will be coming out on top, and this isn't over until a week from tomorrow. And we have to go to Alpine........Go LIB, I believe in you.....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU75 on January 26, 2007, 10:15:58 AM
MCMFAN:  With last year's success in the tournament by HSU,  if all 3 continue to win the games they should, I would expect HPU, HSU and MCM would all get in, regardless of the conference tourney result( unless someone else--ETBU??won it)  I am not an expert on the NCAA crititeria as others are, but surely  that would happen.  By the way. GREAT  win last night by the Lady Jackets!! I still do not necessarily expect them to win all 4 of  these games, but what a great start.  Having seen all 3 teams play, I believe if HPU plays its best they  are very tough to beat for a lot of reasons.  Another big game Saturday at Kimbrell!! I hope to be there.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lcwildcatfan on January 26, 2007, 03:03:01 PM
Here is the link to the local paper for LC:
http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070126/SPORTS/701260337
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on January 26, 2007, 04:21:08 PM
Quote from: lcwildcatfan on January 26, 2007, 03:05:52 AM
I heard the assistant coach from the LC women's team resigned today. Is Coach Potera-Haskins really that hard to work for? What is the deal? I googled her and saw where she had assistants in the past quit during the season. Her assistant is great and hard-working. He deserves better.  

Dustin, maybe you should answer that question yourself, given the fact that you're on her staff, too.   

OOPS!

Doyle, Mr. Dustin
Assistant Coach, Women's Basketball
   doyle@lacollege.edu
   (318) 487-XXXX
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 26, 2007, 05:06:32 PM
So....I'm gonna throw it out there.......Who does HSU want to win on Saturday? McM or HPU? And before you ask, I didn't really care who won on Thursday, I was hoping they would set a record for the longest game ever, 5 or 6 overtimes, score 150-149, a three hour marathon........I say no one gets thru undefeated, but we'll see. LIB can do it, no doubt, I believe every time they step on the court they are going to win, so I am not going to pick against them. Ever!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lcwildcatfan on January 26, 2007, 05:09:57 PM
I did not write that on her. It was 1 of the players.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 26, 2007, 05:32:14 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on January 26, 2007, 04:21:08 PM
Quote from: lcwildcatfan on January 26, 2007, 03:05:52 AM
I heard the assistant coach from the LC women's team resigned today. Is Coach Potera-Haskins really that hard to work for? What is the deal? I googled her and saw where she had assistants in the past quit during the season. Her assistant is great and hard-working. He deserves better.  

Dustin, maybe you should answer that question yourself, given the fact that you're on her staff, too.   

OOPS!

Doyle, Mr. Dustin
Assistant Coach, Women's Basketball
   doyle@lacollege.edu
   (318) 487-XXXX


Ouch!   :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2007, 05:33:59 PM
Quote from: lcwildcatfan on January 26, 2007, 05:09:57 PM
I did not write that on her. It was 1 of the players.

On her what?

One of the players has your e-mail password? You should be more careful who you give your password to, eh?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUats on January 26, 2007, 06:11:01 PM
Quote from: fanstand on January 26, 2007, 05:06:32 PM
So....I'm gonna throw it out there.......Who does HSU want to win on Saturday? McM or HPU?

Honestly, i would prefer McM to beat HPU 2 times or just once and HSU to beat them. And The ONLY reason is because the gym they play in. It's not the best. Just to name some reasons why i say this:

There is no training room for the visitors, actually i don't even know if there is one for the home team, another being that seating(from a fans stand point) is horrible, the only good seats are those on the floor, which are always taken by HPU fans. Oh, and the dead spts in floor don't help much either.

Other than the reasons above i just want the better team to win, whoever that is. Hopefully our Cowgirls can win out the rest of the season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 26, 2007, 07:32:16 PM
If you don't want to play the tournament in Brownwood then your team should step up and beat HPU.  They didn't do that so don't complain about it if you have to play the tournament at the coliseum.  We had to play the NCAA playoff games at McM last year with the broken down old bleacher seats and yellow lights.  The coliseum is one of the only places if not the only place in the conference with a 360 degree view of the game and with padded seats that a lot of people enjoy sitting in.  I'm sorry it's not a high school type environment that you enjoy so much.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUats on January 26, 2007, 08:58:48 PM
Quote from: dballa on January 26, 2007, 07:32:16 PM
If you don't want to play the tournament in Brownwood then your team should step up and beat HPU.  They didn't do that so don't complain about it if you have to play the tournament at the coliseum.  We had to play the NCAA playoff games at McM last year with the broken down old bleacher seats and yellow lights.  The coliseum is one of the only places if not the only place in the conference with a 360 degree view of the game and with padded seats that a lot of people enjoy sitting in.  I'm sorry it's not a high school type environment that you enjoy so much.

Aww, looks like i got somebody fired up. It's whatever, the negative karma, nice touch. Now, i said nothing about any team, all i did was mention some reason i wouldn't wanna play there. And very good on noticing that the seating is 360 degrees, i still don't like it, i found it very uncomfortable to watch a game. And high school environment? thats a good one, wanna explain?

as far as my team not stepping it up, your right its hard to step anything up with 28 turnovers, season's not over my friend. best luck to both teams and the better team will win.

oh and i would love some more negative karma points, theyre my first karma points.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUats on January 26, 2007, 09:14:07 PM
Quote from: dballa on January 26, 2007, 07:32:16 PM
We had to play the NCAA playoff games at McM last year with the broken down old bleacher seats and yellow lights. 

Oh ya, and as far as McM's gym, Hsu has played there a few times, i know how it is. Actually i think my Cowgirls were at that same conference playoff games, ya they were.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 26, 2007, 09:53:57 PM
I have trouble finding the restrooms in Bwood. That place always gets me turned around. I would rather play in Abilene, home court suits me just fine!!Guess HSU is pulling for McM, huh?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUats on January 26, 2007, 09:59:24 PM
Quote from: fanstand on January 26, 2007, 09:53:57 PM
I have trouble finding the restrooms in Bwood. That place always gets me turned around. I would rather play in Abilene, home court suits me just fine!!Guess HSU is pulling for McM, huh?

Careful fanstand, dballa is on the loose ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 26, 2007, 10:53:27 PM
HSUats, That's funny. I'd give you a karma point just for that! But I'm too techno challenged to do so.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2007, 11:53:06 PM
Quote from: fanstand on January 26, 2007, 10:53:27 PM
HSUats, That's funny. I'd give you a karma point just for that! But I'm too techno challenged to do so.

Actually, HSUats has "checked out" of the system and has lost all of his/her karma points and posts.  I assume that that was an accident.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 27, 2007, 12:05:56 AM
fanstand that's a part of the fun watching the visitors run around looking for the bathroom :)

as far as playing at McMurry i know HSU was there...i guess i should have worded the sentence as WE ALL had to play there.  Point being no matter how good or bad the gym is shouldn't matter.  If you can't step up and play well you can't win and don't deserve to host a tournament or playoff game.

as for the high school environment that was in reference to a lot of gyms around the conference looking like high school gyms. 

I know HPU needs a new floor, they've needed one for quite some time now.  But dead spots in some areas aren't a reason a team shoots poorly in the coliseum. 

And the karma points, you can only give one per 24 hours and apparently hsuats had -2...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 27, 2007, 12:11:15 AM
So Ralph do I post #1000 in the Best Attendance section :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 27, 2007, 11:25:15 AM
Maybe what happened to lcwildcat scared off HSUats. They might not want to have been "outed" by someone like Bowerman or Mr. Coleman. Go LIB....I think HPU is the only team left unbeaten, it's up to you to knock them off......
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 27, 2007, 01:17:14 PM
HSUats,

Where are you?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2007, 02:19:05 PM
Quote from: dballa on January 27, 2007, 12:11:15 AM
So Ralph do I post #1000 in the Best Attendance section :)
Yes!  And congratulations!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2007, 03:09:01 PM
Quote from: fanstand on January 27, 2007, 11:25:15 AM
Maybe what happened to lcwildcat scared off HSUats. They might not want to have been "outed" by someone like Bowerman or Mr. Coleman.

I guess people don't read the Terms of Service, then -- they are very specific about how e-mail addresses are displayed.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2007, 03:11:35 PM
Anyway, logged in to thank Howard Payne for providing such a professional and balanced broadcast. Certainly worthy of the audience we're sending to it from the front page link.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 27, 2007, 04:22:54 PM
I guess McM has done it's part today to put the conference tournament in Abilene instead of Brownwood... The ultimate irony, I suppose, would be for our win over HPU to give our arch rivals at HSU  :) the chance to win the division, for everyone is now neck and neck and anything can happen with the rematches in Brownwood!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2007, 08:09:58 PM
Assuming all 3 teams win every other regular season game...

currently, these records are in consideration of a potential 3-way tie to determine the location of the Conference tourney.  (Of course, I want  the Tourney to be played at Kimbrell HS Arena.   You know, the appellation has a ring of good luck to it!   ;))

McM 2-1 (-4 in the point differential; best record but trails in point differential if there is a 3-way tie.)
HPU 1-1 (+4 in the point differential in the 3-way; must sweep the week to give McM its 2nd West Division loss, and HSU its 3rd.)
HSU 1-2 (0 in the point differential).

All 3 teams control their destinies, to a degree.

HPU can sweep the week and be the sole team with one West Division loss.

McM can defeat HPU and be the only team with one West Division loss.

HSU can defeat HPU.  The Cowgirls have a net +5 over McMurry in a point differential, but must consider the point differential in a HPU win over McM in Brownwood on Saturday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 27, 2007, 09:07:28 PM
That was one heck of a game. I don't have much of a voice left but no sulking. I think the difference in the game from where I was sitting was the fact McM got second chance points in the second half. Oh and HPU only shot 28% in the second half. Richardson is a heck of a player, should be a great game in Brownwood as well. Wasn't as many fans as I expected at the game but still a big game atmosphere at the end. Better to take a loss now than in the conference or NCAA tourney. Another crazy week to go.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 27, 2007, 09:10:04 PM
Ralph,
You answered my question before I could even ask it!  I suppose it's too early to try to think about how this affects the post season, except that whatever the NCAA does, we probably won't like it.  My guess is that if one school was several games ahead of everyone else and got through the tournament, it would be the only one invited into the playoffs -- no Pool C bid.  But if all three schools are close, they might all get bids -- like last year where HPU and HSU both got into the post season even though both failed to make it to the final game of the tournament (and UMHB, which did, was ignored).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 27, 2007, 09:35:24 PM
Wow what a game! This conference is tough, I don't care what they say up north, this is great basketball. It's been a battle and we aren't even done yet....Way to go LIB, Wow. The crowd was vocal and loud and dang the gym was hot again. I knew HPU was for real, and they are a great defensive team, but give it to Maigen Sawyer, who may not have shot her best game, but she did a heck of a job guarding Meia. Meia had only two points in the paint today. HPU has a strong bench and we played some good defense today.  Tarra and Allie stepped up, and we just kept chipping away and playing hard. Those are the games you hate to see someone lose, but thank goodness for the "W". I'm proud of LIB, rest tomorrow and lets go to Alpine. Yeehaw!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2007, 10:20:46 PM
Quote from: fanstand on January 27, 2007, 09:35:24 PM
Wow what a game!

... but give it to Maigen Sawyer, who may not have shot her best game, but she did a heck of a job guarding Meia. Meia had only two points in the paint today. HPU has a strong bench and we played some good defense today.  ...


Okay Maigen, you earned your keep.    ;) :D ;D ;) :) 8)  As if Ihave any power to kick you out!!!   :D :D :D :D :D :P :P :D ;D

Coach Holmes reminded me this week that he will never chew anyone out for missing a shot,  but you don't miss a defensive assignment... ;)

It looks like you did a good job!


mcmfan, I will conjecture that ETBU or someone from the East definitely must earn a Pool A bid...i.e., win the tourney.

McM has a 5 point loss to UW-Stout on a neutral court.

HSU has an ugly (injury plauged) loss first week to Southwestern (South Region record of 8-9).

HPU has not played anyone in the non-conference that really helps.  (Trinity is only a shell of its former self).

That being the case, I think that ASC-West Tri-Champs that go as deep in the ASC Tourney as possible stand a good chance of getting 2 Pool C bids.

We then have a chance to play the NCAA tourney all over again...  and may the winner of the Texas Sub-bracket win the whole thing!

Having seen all 3 teams play, I don't think that any team quite has the entire package.  Put Symbri as the point guard for either HPU or HSU, or take the HSU starter of your choice to fill your own team's weakness that night, or find a way to make Tarra Richardson your #4, or move Meia and Blalock to another team, etc., etc., etc.  All 3 teams are great and all 3 teams could tweak themselves to be even better.  And that is where the players that I have not mentioned come in. 

For McMurry, Maigen played exceptional defense today?  Wow!  Great! (And those rebs at the end!  And that old fashioned 3-point play!)

Allison Nelson hit those 3 FT's at the end?  Clutch!

We played lots of minutes with our starters today, but the bench players burned lots of minutes in this long stretch that we needed them to burn!

Get ready to go to SRSU!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 27, 2007, 11:02:29 PM
Quote from: fanstand on January 27, 2007, 09:35:24 PM
thank goodness for the "W". I'm proud of LIB . . . Yeehaw!

Absoutely!  Thanks Lady Indians, or Female Tribe, or whatever the politically correct moniker is these days, thanks for doing what my Cowgirls were not able to accomplish.   ;)

What a season! :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2007, 11:04:44 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on January 27, 2007, 11:02:29 PM
Quote from: fanstand on January 27, 2007, 09:35:24 PM
thank goodness for the "W". I'm proud of LIB . . . Yeehaw!

Absoutely!  Thanks Lady Indians, or Female Tribe, or whatever the politically correct moniker is these days, thanks for doing what my Cowgirls were not able to accomplish.   ;)

What a season! :o

LIB works just fine!   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 27, 2007, 11:53:05 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2007, 11:04:44 PM

LIB works just fine!   ;)

LIB spells "winners!"  Way to get it done, ladies!   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2007, 12:29:11 AM
Great George Levecque Interview with HSU Coach Shanna Briggs (http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_lc_sports_talk/article/0,1874,ABIL_16356_5299790,00.html)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ETigerBU on January 28, 2007, 12:41:20 PM
Just to let everyone know...the East teams played too! And ETBU once again came out on top!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2007, 02:38:41 PM
Quote from: ETigerBU on January 28, 2007, 12:41:20 PM
Just to let everyone know...the East teams played too! And ETBU once again came out on top!

Glad to have you, Tiger!

I hope you can bring some friends!  The more the merrier!  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: FrmrHSUer on January 28, 2007, 02:48:30 PM
that was weird, but none the less im back, and good to be back. I was at the McM/HPU game, i was sitting in the north seats behind the goal, i figured it was as neutral as i could get.

A another great game that could have gone either way. Each team played very well and tough till the very end.

HPU fans were awesome for the girls game, in fact there were times that they were louder than the home team fans. It was kind of crazy to see how the majority of fans left after the girls game, i guess it just goes to show how much attention womens bball games are getting now a days.

Oh and good win by ETBU in the East, keep playing good bball
Blalock, meia, symbi, tara, alison, sawyer, pretty much anyone that touch the ball yesterday had a great game. It was a fun basketball game to watch.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 29, 2007, 01:56:16 AM
I've been to socal all week and just saw what happened this week in Abilene.  Believe it or not I am ready to stuff a "I told you so,"  about HPU not getting out of Abilene without a loss.  One basket and they would have done what I thought was impossible.  It tells me that the Jackets are for real and deserve everything they have recieved in the polls.  Unless the Abilene teams make major adjustments this week the Jackets will crush both team in Brownwood.  :o :o :o No, an alien has not taken over my body or mind.  I can see reality.   My hope has not  given up on HSU,  they played a poor game,  if they can shoot better and not turn the ball they could upset.
The Jackets could be thinking more about MCM and lose sight of the Cowgirls,  that would be a big mistake.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: FrmrHSUer on January 29, 2007, 10:33:14 AM
Dballa or sethhpu, are the bleachers that are courtside at Brownwood Colosieum for HPU fans only or are they more of a first come first serve type deal?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 29, 2007, 11:39:07 AM
The numbers do appear to favor HPU this coming weekend, and not just because HPU will be playing at home (though admittedly that didn't help them a year ago).  If HPU wins both games, they are in first place.  If they lose to HSU but beat McM, we have a 3-way tie, but according to Ralph's point calculations HPU will probably have the edge.  The only way HPU doesn't end up hosting the tournament (assuming the three teams win all the rest of their games) is if they lose Saturday to McM.  McM will be arriving after a long road trip to and back from Alpine; will we be ready for the rematch?  Advice to HSU fans: If you want the tournament in Abilene, you'd better join us McM fans on Saturday in Brownwood!!  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 29, 2007, 11:46:50 AM
HSUats,

the bleachers courtside are for HPU students only.  All other fans are supposed to sit upstairs. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: FrmrHSUer on January 29, 2007, 11:52:06 AM
Quote from: dballa on January 29, 2007, 11:46:50 AM
HSUats,

the bleachers courtside are for HPU students only.  All other fans are supposed to sit upstairs. 

Thats to bad for us, good for home team though. Having those fans there can be very intimidating for the visiting team


Quote from: mcmfan on January 29, 2007, 11:39:07 AM
Advice to HSU fans: If you want the tournament in Abilene, you'd better join us McM fans on Saturday in Brownwood!!  ;D

I plan on attending both games in Brownwood. I'm looking forward to some good basketball both days and i also get to eat at Underwoods and i've been told that is a Mexican food place that is awesome. its gonna be a fun weekend and hopefully my Cowgirls can "STEP UP" ;) and get a win and hopefully the LIB can also bring a win home to abilene.

Heres a question to ponder: Does McM have the advantage of playing HPU 2nd? or does it really not matter who plays who when, the better team is going to win anyways?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 29, 2007, 12:07:01 PM
Which mexican food place are you talking about? If it's Mi Familia then i have bad news for you it burned down a few months back.   Great restaurant so it's pretty sad it's not there anymore.  Pulido's also shut down so really we have Gomez's and Emilio's left other than some small ones.

Underwood's is pretty good and you can also try Humphrey Pete's, The Section Hand, and for a lunch on Saturday can even try Studabakers( i doubt I spelled that right).  It's pretty good as well.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 29, 2007, 02:16:09 PM
Advantages: I'd think McM would have an advantage playing HPU two days after HSU to the extent that HPU is going to have to play a lot harder to win against HSU than McM will presumably have to play to beat SRSU.  On the other hand, McM will be on the bus to Alpine Wednesday and then on the bus back to Abilene Thursday night.  Maybe it all comes down to how well our players can sleep on the bus!
Actually, it could all come down to the point spreads.  So, here's a question for Ralph: It seems to me if HSU beat HPU by a large point spread, and McM lost by a small one, the tournament could still end up in Abilene (at HSU).  Would that be correct?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU75 on January 29, 2007, 04:24:26 PM
I will put in my 2 cents worth  also--I was at Kimbrell on saturday.  As an HPU fan, that was a tough loss.  I don't mind losing, but when you are up 15 in the first half and still double digits or close to it  for much of the second--that hurts. As an admittedly biased observer, the charging call on Meia which I believe was either right before or right after the 3 free throws by Nelson really hurt.  I told my wife--that's the game--and unfortunately I was right.  Of course. both our offense and defense in the last 4-5 minutes was the difference.  We did not get it done in that crunch time.  Nelson's shooting was also huge. Also, for HPU to be as great as all of us HPU fans think, we still need Meia to score 15-20 in all these big games.  She certainly never got  untracked to any great degree. I am sure  the MCM defense had something to do with that, but I am not sure all. With the improvement and additions with our other players--we will be tough to handle if she can produce her standard 20 or so.

Oh well, we were the last undefeated team of 400, but it lasted less than one day!!  If we can  regroup, and survive this week, Saturday will be(mainly) forgotten.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2007, 04:39:52 PM
McMfan, I think that HSU can flip the point spread to their favor with a big win (10 points) that is not overwhelmed by a "big" McMurry loss to HPU.

I thought that the HPU fans did a good job of traveling to HSU on Thursday night.  They neutralized most of the Home Court Advantage.  Over the radio, it sounded like HPU traveled well to Kimbrell, too.

I think that an Abilene venue works well for McMurry.  Crossing town to Mabee is enough to get one "psyched".  Playing in Brownwood where quality courtside seating for visitors is prohibited by the layout of the Coliseum does give HPU an advantage.

One other factor for HSU is that they must win for any hopes of a Tri-Championship (at the least) in the West.  In fact, we could have all three teams at 15-2 by week's end.

I will update the point spreads after Thursday night.

Alacumba LIB!  Beat the Lobos!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on January 29, 2007, 05:43:27 PM
Quote from: fanstand on January 27, 2007, 11:25:15 AMMaybe what happened to lcwildcat scared off HSUats. They might not want to have been "outed" by someone like Bowerman or Mr. Coleman.

fanstand--

I don't "out" people--they do that for themselves through their own carelessness/immaturity.

If someone is going to dog someone else in the forums, that's their choice--even if somebody is stupid enough to come in here and dog their current boss.  Sheesh--that's real smart. 

Plus, what lcwildcat did and trying to hide behind a cute moniker is just plain chicken s__t.  If he doesn't like what his boss is doing, then he needs to go talk to her privately.  And he needs to find somewhere else to coach if it's so unbearable--it's not like there aren't hundreds of coaching jobs available.



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: FrmrHSUer on January 29, 2007, 06:22:25 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on January 29, 2007, 05:43:27 PM

I don't "out" people--they do that for themselves through their own carelessness/immaturity.

I might been careless, but there was nothing immature about me or my actions
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on January 29, 2007, 06:31:13 PM
Well, I won't offer an opinion since I don't know what transpired.  I will say that it couldn't have been that bad if even I missed it!   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 29, 2007, 11:15:22 PM
Okay, I guess the term I needed to use was "BUSTED", my bad!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 30, 2007, 10:15:24 AM
Quote from: HSUats on January 29, 2007, 11:52:06 AMI'm looking forward to some good basketball both days and i also get to eat at Underwoods and i've been told that is a Mexican food place that is awesome.

This weekend will be a test of coaching for McM, HSU and HPU.  Will Briggs take advantage of any HPU weaknesses revealed last Saturday?  Will Coach K be able to make adjustments to compensate for his team's areas of vulnerability?  Will Sam be able to adjust to carry their second half momentum into the rematch? 

HPU remains the clear favorite in both games.  However, McM pulled the curtain back and revealed that the Magnificent Oz is but a man.  The trip to Browntown should be a little less intimidating for both Abilene teams. 

The mausoleum is a hard place to play in and there is no other venue that provides such a home court advantage.  This weekend will certainly provie great basketball.  However, if you want great barbeque and terrific Mexican food I would suggest eating in Abilene before and after the games.   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 30, 2007, 11:51:05 AM
Last year in brownwood HPU scored 48 points each game when McM and HSU came to town. I know this a different year and most of the players are the same. I know McM got to practice one day in Bwood last year, maybe on Wednesday, will HSU go and practice there? I don't know if McM will try because of the road trip, but would Coach K let them if they wanted to? I don't think one practice makes a difference, but it would help to get a feel for the gym, that a shoot around doesn't provide especially for new players.  I think it will be barn burners this week once again. Just an opinion. And when it comes to food...I am so sad Mi Familia is not reopening, it was the best, but the Sticks has some pretty good BBQ, and I have eaten at Gomez  too. We also like the Section Hand and Prima Pasta. Having a daughter grad from HPU, we ate there lots..............
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on January 30, 2007, 02:31:37 PM
I am sure if HSU or MCM wanted to shoot around/practice Coach K would of course let them!  The thing that often gets misconstrued is that HPU men practice from about 2:30-5:30 and then the women go from 5:30-8:30 or so.  This appears to other teams that HPU is trying to keep them out of the gym and not give them a decent shoot-around/practice time, but in reality it is how the practice times are set every single day!  Coach K wants to make sure his players don't miss class for practice and with the single court, there is no way around it.  HPU women's basketball has done a great job of maintaining the STUDENT-ATHLETE philosophy DIII has as well as the ASC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: FrmrHSUer on January 31, 2007, 07:41:56 PM
Might be my last post before I head to good 'ol Brownwood for another great between my Cowgirls and the Lady Jackets. And i expect the HPU faithfuls to be in full force and as rowdy as they usually are on the home court.

Good luck to both teams, and safe travels.

Go cowgirls!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 01, 2007, 11:17:56 AM
HSUats:
Make a lot of noise!  We want the Cowgirls to win with a big point margin to make sure the conference tournament winds up in Abilene!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 01, 2007, 11:46:45 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 01, 2007, 11:17:56 AM
HSUats:
Make a lot of noise!  We want the Cowgirls to win with a big point margin to make sure the conference tournament winds up in Abilene!

If, and it is a huge "if", the Cowgirls win you can be sure it won't be by a big point margin.  They will be very, very fortunate to get out of Browntown with a win.  I don't look for it to happen and I am a diehard HSU fan!  This looks like the year of the Stinger!  :'(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on February 01, 2007, 01:34:27 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on February 01, 2007, 11:46:45 AM

If, and it is a huge "if", the Cowgirls win you can be sure it won't be by a big point margin. 

Come on inthepaint...have some faith.   How about ....Cowgirls by 20?
I love predictions.

Seriously,  Cowgirls can win if we cut down on the turnovers and shoot  decent at the foul line.  27 turnovers (15 unforced) and 55% at the line  cannot happen today.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 01, 2007, 03:02:24 PM
Watch for MC's Lacey Kennedy to become the all-time scoring leader in the ASC this weekend.  By my calculations, she needs 39 points to tie the record held by HSU's Kathryn Otwell of 1788.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 01, 2007, 03:30:01 PM
Otwell's playing career ended in 2000?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 01, 2007, 06:35:07 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on February 01, 2007, 03:30:01 PM
Otwell's playing career ended in 2000?

That's correct... at least on the ASC website it has her playing from 1997-00
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 01, 2007, 08:27:26 PM
FINAL Stats

HSU

FG 45%
3pt 25%
FT 90%

Walker 12 pts
Hobbs 15 pts
Contrucci 12 pts

HSU had 24 turnovers and 29 boards. So much for cutting down on turnovers. The story of the game.


HPU


FG 41 %
3pt 40%
FT 75%

Daniels 16 pts
Hope Hohertz 10 pts

HPU had 31 boards and 18 turnovers.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 01, 2007, 10:02:10 PM
So much for the point spreads.  It looks like either McM wins on Saturday or the tournament is in Brownwood.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2007, 10:09:17 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 01, 2007, 10:02:10 PM
So much for the point spreads.  It looks like either McM wins on Saturday or the tournament is in Brownwood.
We win on Saturday and we have a "1 1/2" game lead over the Jackets.
HPU wins and they have a "1 1/2" game lead over us and a 2 game lead over HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 01, 2007, 10:16:03 PM
Still a possibilty both squads could loose, there are still four games after the McM and HPU matchup.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2007, 10:33:47 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on February 01, 2007, 10:16:03 PM
Still a possibilty both squads could loose, there are still four games after the McM and HPU matchup.
Yes and UMHB is on my radar screen!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: FrmrHSUer on February 02, 2007, 08:04:01 AM
Quote from: sethhpu on February 01, 2007, 08:27:26 PM
HSU had 24 turnovers and 29 boards. So much for cutting down on turnovers. The story of the game.

Good game HPU, better luck next time to my cowgirls.

I'm 0-1 in Brownwood, maybe my trip there on saturday will be better.

And an interesting fact that the HPU announcer stated, HPU was the first team in 10 years to beat HSU cowgirls twice in season. Nice job lady jackets.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2007, 08:21:21 AM
Quote from: HSUats on February 02, 2007, 08:04:01 AM
...

And an interesting fact that the HPU announcer stated, HPU was the first team in 10 years to beat HSU cowgirls twice in season. Nice job lady jackets.
Most accurately,

QuoteHPU was the first team in 10 years to beat HSU cowgirls twice in the regular season.
McMurry defeated HSU twice in the 2004-05 season, knocking them out of the tourney semi-finals.  Remember!  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 02, 2007, 08:39:13 AM
What they were saying on the news in Abilene last night, was this is the first time the Cowgirls were swept during the regular season. Hopefully that is what LIB can do to HPU.  You know I think they can! The game Saturday is big, I had both radios going last night, listening to the two games. Showdown in Browntown........ Go LIB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 02, 2007, 10:17:10 AM
Three teams out of the west go to the conference tournament, right? 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 02, 2007, 10:28:04 AM
4 teams go from each side.  UMHB has that 4th spot pretty much wrapped up.
Title: Six LC players quit team
Post by: choctawmaniac on February 02, 2007, 11:17:47 AM
Pat Coleman is very serious about honoring copyright laws.  One should not "cut and paste" another news story, but rather give the hyperlink so all can read the original story.  I am using my capabilities as a moderator on the baseball boards to modify this post.

Thanks for the "heads-up" on what is happening in Pineville. :)

http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070202/NEWS01/702020325

s/ Ralph Turner






LC already has serious problems as a school. Does this add to it?


Six Lady Cats basketball players quit LC program
By Randy Benson and Bob Tompkins
rbenson@thetowntalk.com, btompkins@thetowntalk.com
(318) 487-6431, (318) 487-6349

Six players, including starters Carol Elder and Ashley Peairs, have quit the Louisiana College women's basketball team.

Thirteen players walked off the court -- leaving first-year coach Robin Potera-Haskins with four players -- during practice earlier this week to meet with athletic director Tim Whitman. Seven players subsequently returned to the team.

"They didn't do it to hurt the basketball program," said Lynn Peairs of Pride, father of Ashley Peairs. "They came into a program where basketball was secondary and helping the girls become well-rounded, moral, Christian girls was more important. I think they knew after a week or so (after the start of practice) that that program is no longer there."
Louisiana College played its first game without the six players Thursday night, losing 77-51 to East Texas Baptist University in Marshall, Texas.

Whitman confirmed Thursday that he met with a group of players.

"There were discussions," Whitman said. "We had six kids decide not to play the rest of the games." (remainder deleted)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 02, 2007, 11:26:17 AM
Wow, what is going on at LC?  I would love to know the whole story.  There was a lot of speculation on the hiring of the coach and why she got the job as she didn't seem to fit the university and their belief structure.  Makes you wonder!

Congrats to HPU on the win.  Always nice to beat a rival.  We have one more on saturday and then can shift our sights.  Continue to work hard and take care of the rebounding this time!  BLOCK OUT!  I am sure you have heard it from Coach K a few times.  I have complete faith in you all and will be cheering from my computer! 

Defense, clap, clap, defense, clap, clap, defense. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on February 02, 2007, 12:32:21 PM
Quote from: thundercat on February 02, 2007, 11:26:17 AMWow, what is going on at LC?  I would love to know the whole story.  There was a lot of speculation on the hiring of the coach and why she got the job as she didn't seem to fit the university and their belief structure.  Makes you wonder!

Quite to the contrary, I think she fits the model of what kind of staff member LC's administration and trustees are looking for perfectly.  Remember, this is the school that was put on probation by SACS for allowing the trustees to approve the text and lesson plans professors were using in the classroom (presumably because they wanted to ensure they didn't conflict with the school's religious mores).

Just food for thought.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 02, 2007, 02:05:46 PM
I have heard differently about her values, but will take your word for it as my knowledge is just hearsay!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on February 02, 2007, 02:49:01 PM
Scuttlebutt in here (see ASC thread pages 91 & 92) was that she was (allegedly) a religious zealot who had players leave her program before (presumably) because she was trying to prostelytize them all the time. 

At least that's what I read into the information.  Ergo my post about her fitting in well with the LC brass....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ETigerBU on February 02, 2007, 05:19:37 PM
Just a question...

What exactly must ETBU do in order to start getting national attention?

We are 17-4 and the 4 is coming from 3 nationally ranked teams (with an extremely close game or two in there) and a Division II school.  This might be a bold prediction but at some point the Lady Tigers are going to make someone stand up and start paying attention to them!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 02, 2007, 05:34:07 PM
That's a good question.  Obviously, you need to knock off one of the ranked teams in the conference tournament.  But for the NCAA, that may already be too late.  Unless you win the tournament, you probably won't get an at-large bid from the NCAA unless you already have that national ranking/recognition: hence last year HSU got in to the post season even though UMHB got further in the tournament.  Clearly a Catch-22 situation.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: heatlee on February 02, 2007, 08:00:58 PM
Six players quitting on a coach during that coach's career, probable.  Six players quitting in a season, someone should be looking into it.  This is not a good situation.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2007, 09:28:27 PM
Quote from: ETigerBU on February 02, 2007, 05:19:37 PM
Just a question...

What exactly must ETBU do in order to start getting national attention?

We are 17-4 and the 4 is coming from 3 nationally ranked teams (with an extremely close game or two in there) and a Division II school.  This might be a bold prediction but at some point the Lady Tigers are going to make someone stand up and start paying attention to them!
ETigerBU, you asked the question.  Let me answer it from the perspective of an outside consultant.  No malice intended, but the answers I will give you are variations of the same theme.  (I want the quality of ASC basketball to be recognized nationally, and have for the 7 years I have been on this site.)

1)  Look at the non-conference schedule.  There is no game on this year's schedule that helps one bit with Top 25 or the NCAA Playoff calculations.  NAIA's D2's or D1's are worthless.  You have 4 NAIA's and a D2.  Those count nothing!  Your schedule should be no more than Wylie as "city-benefit game" sponsored by the Lions Club or the YMCA as a fundraiser and maybe a "money game" from a D1.  Otherwise, your non-conference games should be South Region "in-region". Even Louisiana College's win over a D1 is now forgotten.

2)  Schedule in-region D3 opponents that are nationally ranked.  If you had played South Region opponents (http://www.d3hoops.com/regions.php?region=south&team=w&view=standings) that have a solid winning record (e.g., > .700 percentage), then the nation would be saying something.  HPU, HSU, McM all played teams with a national reputation in the non-conference.  In fact, those teams have tried to get national recognition via their schedules for several years.  Click on the non-conference schedules.  As it is now, you are just another team that has lost to those 3.  If you had victories over South Region opponents Hendrix and Oglethrope in the non-conference, then I believe you would be receiving votes.

3)  Consider the western US for some games. With the new Administrative Region guideline change for in-region games, you can schedule any team from Missouri, Illinois and Wisconsin westward and have it count as in-region.

4)  Schedule very tough "out-of-region" non-conference games against well-respected teams from the MIAA, the OAC or teams that are always in the Top 25.  You may catch them in an off-year, but no one knows that yet in November, and that is when teams show up on the radar screens.  This may not help with Playoff Calculations, but it does help the general reputation of the team.

This may mean spending the bucks to go on a big trip every year, but if the players have demonstrated that excellence, then they need the investment from the university. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2007, 01:24:09 AM
Quote from: ETigerBU on February 02, 2007, 05:19:37 PM
Just a question...

What exactly must ETBU do in order to start getting national attention?

We are 17-4 and the 4 is coming from 3 nationally ranked teams (with an extremely close game or two in there) and a Division II school.  This might be a bold prediction but at some point the Lady Tigers are going to make someone stand up and start paying attention to them!

What Ralph said. ETBU is playing a closed schedule. No D-III non-conference games. If you want to be ranked in D-III, play D-III teams.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 03, 2007, 06:16:59 PM
I guess I need to play the lottery a little more after my predictions came true.  3-1 against the Abilene schools and the first to win 20 games this season.

Still a lot of games to play.  The road trips to CUA and UMHB will be tough ones but the Lady Jackets shall overcome all obstacles.

Before this season people said HPU was all Meia Daniels this game proved how deep and strong they are.

Also I wanted to say how disrespectful and classless SOME of the McMurry fans were.  The school, the president,  and alumni such as yourself Ralph should be embarassed at how poorly their student body reflected their schools Christian values.  Outside of that it was a great atmosphere for a basketball game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 03, 2007, 06:26:25 PM
A great win for HPU in Brownwood  :-[  and a tough loss for McM.  HPU looked very sharp; what killed McM was a spate of HPU 3's in the first half that set us back, and we never really closed the lead after that.  Meia Daniels got zero points, yet HPU still won: a great comment on their depth, I think.  Get ready for the conference tournament in the Mausoleum; I believe HPU would have to lose two of its remaining games to move it anywhere else (if it loses just one, it would still have the point spread over McM in second place), and with a team this good, that just ain't gonna happen.

dballa: As for classless fans, I wouldn't talk, and as an earlier poster noted, it is certainly classless to reserve the best seats for your own fans -- every other place I've been divides up the seats equally.  Maybe HPU fans at other stadiums should be prohibited from seating closer than ten feet from the court?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 03, 2007, 06:31:14 PM
mcmfan, there are only two sets of bleacher seats on the floor.  If you put both teams fans in those seats can you see them actually getting along :)  I know the school doesn't have a problem with having opposing teams fans who can't walk up the stairs stay down on the floor. 

Where were the McMurry cheerleaders today?  They are usually at the games in Brownwood. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 03, 2007, 06:41:23 PM
So what were the "classless" fans doing that was so upseting?  Which game?  (W/M?)

Just curious...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 03, 2007, 06:48:39 PM
Before the women's game the guys behind the south goal were yelling some things to one of our cheerleaders who was warming up who seemed to be pretty upset about it.  Is that really necessary?  Plus I got tired of hearing all the cuss words around me. 

I love taunting and I love the atmosphere of a college game.  But some things shouldn't be a part of it.

The one extremely big guy behind the goal when he lifted his shirt while our girl was shooting, i thought it was funny.  Rather burned my eyes a bit seeing it but it was funny. 

I'm not saying all the fans were like that there were some that were though.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2007, 06:54:54 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 03, 2007, 06:16:59 PM
I guess I need to play the lottery a little more after my predictions came true.  3-1 against the Abilene schools and the first to win 20 games this season.

Still a lot of games to play.  The road trips to CUA and UMHB will be tough ones but the Lady Jackets shall overcome all obstacles.

Before this season people said HPU was all Meia Daniels this game proved how deep and strong they are.

Also I wanted to say how disrespectful and classless SOME of the McMurry fans were.  The school, the president,  and alumni such as yourself Ralph should be embarassed at how poorly their student body reflected their schools Christian values.  Outside of that it was a great atmosphere for a basketball game.

I didn't know I was going to get a "shout-out" today.  :o  ::)  :D  ;)  8)

I have been in 3 ASC gyms this season:  UT-D, HSU and McMurry.

At UT-D, the HPU fans were right behind the HPU bench, in their "quarter" of the gymnasium.  UT-D has an oversized gym that can be partitioned into 3 full-length basketball floors.  The "retractable" seating goes back to the walls to reveal the other 2 floors.  Coach K and the Lady Jackets ate their pizzas right behind the HPU men's bench during the men's game.

HSU's gym is similar.  At the HPU-HSU game, there was ample seating in the visitor's quarter of the gym to support your team, and the HPU faithful went a long way towards neutralizing the Mabee crowd.

I saw the SRSU-McM men's game.  The section behind the visitor's bench was reserved for the visitor's.

I have seen games in Gallego and at Austin College.  No other team has the advantage of having the home student section so close to the court as at Brownwood.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 03, 2007, 06:58:33 PM
Well Ralph I know how much you love your school and I know you wouldn't appreciate some of the things being said.  But it's over with now and time to move on to next weeks games.


As far as the student section HPU does have an advantage like no other in this conference.  But I don't believe anybody is going to tell schools like Duke that their students shouldn't be the only ones sitting on the opposite of the floor that close.

If schools didn't have their own home court advantage, we might as well just play every game on a neutral floor.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2007, 07:12:34 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 03, 2007, 06:58:33 PM
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As far as the student section HPU does have an advantage like no other in this conference.  But I don't believe anybody is going to tell schools like Duke that their students shouldn't be the only ones sitting on the opposite of the floor that close.
...

If it is perceived as a problem in the conference, then the conference's presidents will deal with it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 03, 2007, 07:19:08 PM
The obvious solution if one wanted to be equitable (or fair) about the bleacher space would be to put a railing down the middle and have one half for HPU students and the other half for those of the visiting team.  That's what we've done at McM with games where fan emotions might be high, as with HSU or HPU.  For both those games, the bleachers were evenly divided and labeled.  Why doesn't HPU do that?
   
As for the fat guy, you got off easy!  Last week at the McM-HPU game, he had his shirt off the whole time... I don't know what the HPU fans thought, but I do know he grossed out a lot of McM people!  :P
   
Incidentally, are bull horns considered "class" behavior by the fans?  I noticed students from both schools using them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2007, 07:26:07 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 03, 2007, 07:19:08 PM
   
Incidentally, are bull horns considered "class" behavior by the fans?  I noticed students from both schools using them.

The posters on the SCIAC boards talk about the big yellow janitorial service cones with "Peligro! Piso Mojado!" printed on the sides being used as megaphones!   :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 03, 2007, 07:26:25 PM
Do you mean the megaphones?  I don't know if the conference has a rule about that or not.  Cheerleaders have them so I would think they would be legal.  The only way they couldn't be is if they were used as a noisemaker.  But as far as anything against any kind of rules they are fair game.

On the seating they probably could do something like that.  But they would also have to bring in an extra set of bleachers or something like that to accomodate all the students.  

It's pretty much just one of those things that has always been done and nobody has really said anything about it or had a problem with it until lately.  

I would personally rather sit in a cushioned seat upstairs than on those old baseball bleachers.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 03, 2007, 07:38:31 PM
QuoteBut they would also have to bring in an extra set of bleachers or something like that to accomodate all the students. 

What's the difficulty?  You just use the seats you have and tell everyone that it's first come, first served (or, in this case, seated).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 03, 2007, 08:53:59 PM
dballa, good win for your team, but DO not talk about some McM fans being any worse than the group of guys who were yelling over the edge at the bench and at the coaches from McM. They were as foul-mouthed and disrespectful as any one else in the gym.  I've been coming to those games in Bwood long time and your fans are just as bad as McM, HSU or whoever, so I am sure you are just as "proud". And as for the games, we back to even, we will meet again....................
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 03, 2007, 09:31:30 PM
Actually no if they were acting as poorly as some of McM's fans, no I'm not proud of that.  I'm proud of the fact that we had a large active and vocal crowd and that our ladies came out and played a great game.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: FrmrHSUer on February 03, 2007, 10:10:06 PM
Good weekend for HPU. They played good and strong.

As long as "classless" was mentioned i figured i would throw this out there. the actions of the HPU coach were very classless(in my opinion) in 3 different games. The 3 games are hsu/hpu @hsu, hsu/hpu @ hpu and mcm/hpu @ hpu. in each of the games hpu had a good lead and the game was pretty much a win for hpu when the coach called a tiem out with 7 sec., 15 sec., and 29 secs left in the game. i feel there was absolutly no need for any of these time outs and feel they were all very classless.

as far as the fans, fans will be fans, regardless of the place. how about maybe spreading the bleachers apart and putting a rope between them, this is done every else and doesnt seem to be a problem

just my 2 cents
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ETigerBU on February 03, 2007, 11:35:56 PM
Another great win for ETBU today, easily taking the number 1 of the East to the conference tourney! 3 games left and then it's time for us to make a point!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2007, 12:35:57 AM
Here is another buzzer-beater from about 75'.

Jasmin Bacon at El Paso Hanks HS. (http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?pmmsid=1835171)

There are some commercials attached.  :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2007, 01:05:24 AM
Congratulations to HPU on the front page story and thanks to McMurry SID Kyle Robarts for filing the game report.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2007, 03:23:58 AM
Big day today -- decided to run two front page stories, one with just women's coverage and one with men's.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2007, 08:56:37 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2007, 03:23:58 AM
Big day today -- decided to run two front page stories, one with just women's coverage and one with men's.
Thanks Pat!  Witt/Woo and McMurry/HPU!  That is hard to beat for Championship basketball.

ASC friends, I think that the emergence of 3 and maybe 4 or 5 (UMHB, ETBU) quality programs of national quality, we are finally getting the chance to toughen ourselves for NCAA tournament play.  I know that the West is getting that way.  Those ASC West matchups have been Championship quality efforts.  HSU had the talent in the erly part of this decade, but I don't think that those earlier Cowgirl teams had the opponents to take their games to the next level as we have seen this season and last.

I need ETBU to get a top quality non-conference schedule, and we need to watch for the emergence of Southwestern as a top quality program.  We will see some great women's basketball.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 04, 2007, 04:36:56 PM
I have read on here for a couple of days about classless fans and whatever else at the HPU-MCM game.  I think that the fans for both teams did really well in representing their universities.  We got shut up real quick by HPU's hot shooting.  If there was cursing going on, those people should be ashamed of themselves because of all the younger kids that were at the game.  As far as the HPU fans by the court, it is their court they can do what they want within the rules.  At our gym, we can get as close as we want opposite the team benches and nobody says anything.  I have seen our fans on the court during pregame standing basically in the opposing teams layup line!!!

I am a McM fan and what most of us need to see is that HPU put on a clinic.  Their all-american didn't score but the TEAM still killed us.  I guess they do go deeper than one player.  With this being true why did we concentrate on one player?

We have to have better play out of our guards, we can't rely on Richardson to get us wins in the tournament and playoffs!!

Anyway, that is my opinion!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on February 04, 2007, 05:32:47 PM
ok ok enough with the oooooo our fans are more christian than yours talk...geez, yall sound like babies.  Eveybody knows that fans are fans...some are really rude while others have class.  it is the combination of the two that form great fan followings. 

I've argued with people on here over and over but i never let those comments slip to the level of fighting over who's fans are nicer! lol

So seriously lets try to keep the posting on basketball chit-chat and general trashtalking ok people! 

On the more optimistic side of things (for me at least) it looks like several questions have been answered about the "realness" of HPU.

1. they are deep
2. they can beat good teams as well bad ones
3. their fans are nicer than yours...kidding  :)

Looking forward to the Final Four,

RobDon
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 04, 2007, 05:34:07 PM
McM93, for the past two years, Meia has been the pulse of the HPU offense, that is why she is an All American. This year HPU has been playing good defense and the attention I believe has shifted from Meia as their "threat" to a more balanced attack, no one denies that. Buker had a huge game, she only averages 5 to 6 points a game offensively and she stepped up. I believe their post play this year is greatly improved, and yesterday they all played well. Our guards did not even have an average day. I don't think we concentrated only on Meia, had we played defensively as well in the first half as the second, maybe the game could have been closer. HPU was able to relax. Had  we been able to cut to single digits in the last 10 minutes and they would have felt the pressure as we did to them in the first game, we may have made a rally.  Amber had 12 points for us and that was above her average,but we couldn't get outside shots because of their defense and it hurt us. 

It's too bad such an atmosphere has to include unsportsmanlike conduct and whinning, and cursing.  I have had heard too many conversations from young people where the f-bomb is just another adjective in their speech. It's not only the young who do not need to hear such, have respect for the older too!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2007, 07:43:07 PM
Quote from: Rob Don on February 04, 2007, 05:32:47 PM


Looking forward to the Final Four,

RobDon
If we (McM) get eliminated, then I agree that that is the minimum that we should expect from this HPU team.  ;)

Then how long does Coach K stay at HPU?  ;)

Julie Goodenough jumped to Okie State.
Doug Davalos jumped to Texas State-San Marcos.

;) ;D 8)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 05, 2007, 02:29:10 AM
I hate it some times when I am right.   A week ago I predicted a HPU sweep.  I certainly wasn't  hoping for it but I was not surprised.   My hat is off to the jackets they are  real and I think they have nothing else to prove in the ASC.   They are the champs.

Now it is a whole other matter about them going to the final four.   If they make the sweet  sixteen I would say that they had done a great deal in taking the program where they want it.   Now I know some of you hate when I bring up the past so I just will say this.   The teams that make the final four rarely just show up.   Trinity winning was the exception not the rule.    Even HSU who I love and respect have never  beaten the top eastern or midwestern teams.   They have beaten lots of southern teams and west coast  teams.   So as far as I know how many NCAA tourney games has HPU  won,  1-2 maybe.  If you can win two this year you double your wins.

As far as HSU goes,  I am not disappointed in this years team.  They are a good solid team with several players making contributions,  which is the kind of team I really like.  But the difference between them and McM and HPU is they do not have the one go to player.  Four four years HSU had Kendra Anderson,  before that they had a player named Otwell.    I'm not disrespecting any of the players they have.
I am afraid unless they Cowgirls play really well in the conference playoffs they will not get invited to the big dance.  HPU is in unless they lose ever game from now on and that is not going to happen.  MCM is in except if they lose lots,  and mainly because of the win over HPU.   Unless HSU makes the conference finals they  will be thinking of next year.

Oh,  by the way if any of the HSU players read this and if I have ticked you off I really hope you go out and show me I don't know what I am talking about.  I would feel so bad if you did.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on February 05, 2007, 07:19:25 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2007, 07:43:07 PM

Then how long does Coach K stay at HPU?  ;)

Julie Goodenough jumped to Okie State.
Doug Davalos jumped to Texas State-San Marcos.

;) ;D 8)

Good question...but lets remember that we are talking about a guy that has consecutively had the best season in HPU history every season...one after the other there has been a step forward each time...so i say he stays till he takes it all! 

but i've been wrong before; once or twice  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 05, 2007, 07:33:51 AM
Takes what, a national championship?  I guess we will have ole Coach K around a long time then!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2007, 08:59:57 AM
calhsu, good morning.

I think that we are "seeing" HPU (and hopefully McMurry in the Abilene HPU game) take it to the next level.  HPU's defense on Saturday must have been "smothering".  Playoff atmosphere and situations, big noisy crowd, everything came together for that game.

We (speaking for the conference) need to break thru to that level in a style of play.  I think that HPU has the 7 or 8 players who can fill their roles. In observing the Lady Jackets at HSU, I think that I identified them.  As for HSU, I thought that they were a (pure) point guard away from having it.  I like the top 7-8 players for HSU as well.

As for McMurry, we need the top 7-8 to take it to the next level.  Tarra and Symbri have carried this team.  When I saw the turnover to assist ratio from the HPU game, I realized that no team had done that to us all year, not even UW-Stout.  Those numbers occur when the other team has "smothered" your point guard and no one was getting open to receive the pass!

I really believe that we are dealing with superlatives here.  These teams are that good.  HSU without an Anderson or an Otwell will win at least 30 of the 39 conferences this year.  ETBU might win 30 of the 39 as well. For McM and HPU, it is going to the next level. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bench Coach on February 05, 2007, 12:37:44 PM
I hadn't seen the posts until today.  This is my first time to post, but I have watched the room for a long time now.  I just had a comment about the classlessness of some of the schools that everyone has been talking about.  I believe that one of the most classless acts that has happened is a player....not naming anyone or school....that taunts the other players bench and coaches.  I believe it is all fun and games when you make a good shot, but don't rub it in people's faces.  As I have heard a very good coach say, "act like it was suppose to happen."
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 05, 2007, 04:39:36 PM
Quote from: Rob Don on February 04, 2007, 05:32:47 PM


Then how long does Coach K stay at HPU?  ;)

Julie Goodenough jumped to Okie State.
Doug Davalos jumped to Texas State-San Marcos.

;) ;D 8)

Would Coach K bring the resume of a Goodenough or Davalos to the table?  This is an interesting thought and one that HPU fans don't even want to consider.  The truth is pretty simple; success at a DIII school often opens doors at a DI program.  I suppose he could leave should his success at HPU continue?

What do HPU fans think about this?  I would love to read what you are thinking!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 05, 2007, 06:02:01 PM
I don't think leaving is on Coach K's mind at the moment. I think the current season and the possibilty of furthering the program is more prominent. He is a great coach and in my opinion is defintely underrated. It seems that everybody bashes him for not winning enough or not being successful. When did Coach Nichols win the big one or has he ever made it to the Final Four? Yet everybody still thinks he is a great coach and he has only won one conference championship. There isn't a time Coach K stops coaching in a game. The comments made on his classless attitude is ludicrous. The reason he called timeouts at the end of games is to get other players in the game and to coach his younger players. When HPU gets up by 20 or 30 there isn't a time Coach K isn't as focused or trying to teach as when the game is close. I think he stays at HPU and builds a dynasty that wins numerous national championships.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2007, 06:42:19 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on February 05, 2007, 06:02:01 PM
I don't think leaving is on Coach K's mind at the moment. I think the current season and the possibilty of furthering the program is more prominent. He is a great coach and in my opinion is defintely underrated. It seems that everybody bashes him for not winning enough or not being successful. When did Coach Nichols win the big one or has he ever made it to the Final Four? Yet everybody still thinks he is a great coach and he has only won one conference championship. There isn't a time Coach K stops coaching in a game. The comments made on his classless attitude is ludacris. The reason he called timeouts at the end of games is to get other players in the game and to coach his younger players. When HPU gets up by 20 or 30 there isn't a time Coach K isn't as focused or trying to teach as when the game is close. I think he stays at HPU and builds a dynasty that wins numerous national championships.

Coach Nichols has won several big ones at this stage of his career.  He has won an ASC-West crown in 2000 and has a Sweet 16 appearance that year.  He has the 2006 ASC title and last year's appearance.  He defeated #1 Trinity in December 2003. I think that Coach Nichols is happy with the situation that he has developed at McM.  His post-season record in NCAA Playoffs is 2-2 (Drat those HSU losses!   ;) )


No one is underrating Coach K.  There are several quality coaches in the ASC, especially the West.  Coach Briggs...Concordia's Linda K Sharp who won the NCAA's at USC in 1983-84 and is in the Women's Baketball Hall of Fame...Coach K...Coach Nichols.  We just have great women's basketball here in the ASC.  The third best team in the ASC-West went to the Final Four last year!  ;)

This will be fun!

Quote from: inthepaint on February 05, 2007, 04:39:36 PM
Quote from: Rob Don on February 04, 2007, 05:32:47 PM


Then how long does Coach K stay at HPU?  ;)

Julie Goodenough jumped to Okie State.
Doug Davalos jumped to Texas State-San Marcos.

;) ;D 8)

Would Coach K bring the resume of a Goodenough or Davalos to the table?  This is an interesting thought and one that HPU fans don't even want to consider.  The truth is pretty simple; success at a DIII school often opens doors at a DI program.  I suppose he could leave should his success at HPU continue?

What do HPU fans think about this?  I would love to read what you are thinking!

As for a resume, Coach Davalos had one ASC Crown (2004) and ASC-West titles or shares in 2003, 2004, and 2005.  He went to the Sweet 16 in 2004.

Coach K has a title in 2005, a playoff win in 2006 as an at-large and he probably wins the ASC-West outright in 2007.  A Sweet 16 (actually I think that the Texas Survivor makes the Elite 8 at the least) would look good!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 05, 2007, 06:48:35 PM
calhsu —
It must be ironic for a HSU fan to raise doubts about his team, and then have an arch-rival McM fan weigh in against him in favor of HSU, but here goes.  If I remember right, HSU had the same record last year at this point in the season that they do now, and they made it to the Final Four. HSU never got that far with the "go-to" players like Ottwell or Anderson.  I think the difference this year isn't that McM or HSU are weaker than in the past, and they may actually be stronger.  The difference is that HPU is a whole lot stronger.  It will be really interesting to see how far they go in the post season, for they certainly look ready for it now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 05, 2007, 07:41:24 PM
I think the only way Coach K will move up to D1 anytime soon is if Iowa State's head coaching position opens up :)

He's done nothing but put together a top notch program that players, the school, and the community can be proud of.  He's doing what HSU has done over the past few years.  Bring in a crowd that comes in to watch the women play and then leaves once it's over. 

The players he's brought into HPU have represented the team and the school well.  They are quality players and quality people.  That goes for his coaching staff and the rest of the staff that works along side him.  They've made it fun to come watch an HPU women's basketball game and I see that to continue for quite a while.

Especially into the middle of March.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 05, 2007, 09:13:34 PM
Really, why all the talk about Coach K leaving? Jobs aren't opening up yet, I'm sure everyone is concentrating on the end of the season. But after that, watch out.  You never know who's leaving, who's staying, players, coaches. Who would have thought Goodenough would have left Anderson and the other four seniors that year? But get real, what DIII coach wouldn't salivate at the opportunity to go to a DI, isn't that like high school coaches, going to college jobs, college going to pro? Opportunities come along all the time. Coach K doesn't have a wife and kids to tie him down in Brownwood. A job opportunity could come along, in the next three or four months. Or not.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU75 on February 05, 2007, 09:20:03 PM
The week 10 top 25 poll is now out. CONGRATULATIONS TO THE HPU LADY JACKETS!!  #5 this week--up 1 slot.   HSU remained at #16 and MCM only dropped 1 slot to#13.  I am really pleased to see our ASC teams continue to get plenty of respect nationally.  MCMURRY is the highest ranked 3 loss team, and HSU is the second highest ranked 4 loss team--only UW-Stout is higher.


What a great win for HPU on Saturday!  I tend to agree with an earlier post--it may be that HPU has stepped it up a notch or two rather than HSU or MCM falling back.  Of course, there is still much basketball to be played.  I certainly never thought I would see a day where Meia D. would go scoreless against a top opponent and HPU would still win in as convincing a fashion.  The top 9 players at HPU in my opinion all bring a lot to the table--none of them are just  burning minutes until a starter can come back. I certainly hope we can continue this incredible momentum--no letdowns!!  It would be natural and even understandable after 2 emotional weeks against top teams, but this week brings 2 capable teams--so we need to stay after CUA and UMHB!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2007, 09:25:12 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 05, 2007, 07:41:24 PM
...
He's done nothing but put together a top notch program that players, the school, and the community can be proud of.  He's doing what HSU has done over the past few years.  Bring in a crowd that comes in to watch the women play and then leaves once it's over.  ...
I know.  It certainly got quiet over the radio after the men's game started.

  :o :D :D ;D ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 05, 2007, 09:46:39 PM
I just heard a rumor and would like to know if it is true...before LC payed ETBU 7 of LC player quit...including 2 starters?????Why???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2007, 09:50:55 PM
Nash, this story (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php?item=874) was on the front page.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 05, 2007, 09:55:36 PM
Ralph, I'm sorry...I don't usually read the front page...forgive me for asking
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2007, 10:48:14 PM
Quote from: nash on February 05, 2007, 09:55:36 PM
Ralph, I'm sorry...I don't usually read the front page...forgive me for asking

That's okay, nash.  I know that Pat's revenue to keep these pages free of pop-ups is based on the ads that we click, the purchases that we make from those clicks on the sites that we visit and the page views from the front page.  The message boards barely pay for themselves.

Coach Potera-Haskins is an interesting case.  If you google her name, you find that she received support from the AAUW in a sex-discrimination suit versus Montana State related to compensation and support for her women's basketball teams.

Next, we find out that she was the last coach from the ASC-East to lead her team to a NCAA Playoff berth (Austin College in 1999). 

If we see her turning LaCollege into a winner, then we will understand that she was doing what it takes.  There is plenty of talent in Louisana and East Texas.  Those parents will probably be comfortable sending their daughters to play for her.

(I will not mention the school, but we had a coaching change at another school recently in which the new coach came in, and laid down the law.  That coach seems to be doing very well now.)


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 05, 2007, 11:00:29 PM
Ok I know I am jumping ahead with this post. I know some of it may not even happen but think of this possibility. HPU, HSU and McM could actually play each other 4 times this year. As good as a match-up they are this really hurts the ASC. I understand three of the matchups. The two regular season matchups and possibly the conference tournament. Now because the NCAA likes to keep traveling costs down, and since they won't ship out the three schools if all make the Tourney, then we would most likely be in a match up agaisnt each other. Of course that all matters if the schools keep winning and so forth. Is the traveling cost the only thing keeping the Texas schools playing each other in the playoffs?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 11:10:17 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on February 05, 2007, 11:00:29 PM
Is the traveling cost the only thing keeping the Texas schools playing each other in the playoffs?

Yep.  :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 05, 2007, 11:25:49 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 05, 2007, 07:41:24 PMHe's done nothing but put together a top notch program that players, the school, and the community can be proud of.  He's doing what HSU has done over the past few years . . .

DBalla, you need to be posting things like, "Coach K is terrible; he makes the girls travel with nothing but Snickers Bars for dinner, and Snickers that were stale from sitting in a vending machine for weeks on end!  No school in their right mind would want him!"  Your post only makes him more inticing to other teams!   ;) :D ;D

Seriously, Coach K has made a believer out of me (not that he is concerned with that) and I am quite confident the Jackets will go far in the postseason.  I know the season is not over and there are still strong programs that need to be dealt with on the hardwood, but I am jumping on the HPU bandwagon with confidence that Coach K and his team will be as good a representative of the ASC as any other team in recent years. 

I hope the Cowgirls can pull the proverbial rabbit out of the hat but it is looking like a Jacket run to me! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bench Coach on February 06, 2007, 09:37:48 AM
Wow!  I haven't ever heard of people  giving up on their teams as easily as some of you are.  "Your team" has lost a couple games and many of you are jumping on the HPU banwagon.  On ANY given day ANY team can be defeated!  Everyone has a bad day, where they don't play well, and that is when you get beat.  I know people let their guard down and they get a little big headed, and you get beat.  I know some high school teams that has had that problem, they should of stomped a team and they ended up losing because they were looking for the next one.  I will not give up on the team or teams that I support.  I will cheer on HPU when the team that I want to win is out.  I think those that are giving up on their team need to do the same, if their fans aren't going to be behind them, then who is!!



Go LIB!!!  YOU CAN ACHIEVE ALL!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 06, 2007, 10:21:19 AM
Way to lay it out there Bench Coach! I agree, I am NOT ready to give HPU a Final Four ticket...I want one for LIB....Someone give the guy some Karma for honesty! I still think we are a GREAT team and have the same potential as HPU or HSU. I'm not giving up or in!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 06, 2007, 11:18:28 AM
Nobody is giving up on their team.  Get real.  What they are doing is giving HPU their due credit.  They have proved, thus far, that they are the best team in the conference.  But let me make it clear, that is all we have done to this point.  Coach K and his players are well aware of how quickly things can turn.  (@ TLU 2 years in a row!)  They will remain focused on what is in front of them (CUA on thursday) and nothing more.  In all honesty, Final Four talk shouldn't even be occuring.  They have the talent, yes, but we are a long ways out from that and have some great teams to go through to even win the conference tournament! 

Good luck this week girls!  I will be cheering you on in hopes of hosting the Conference Tournament.  And I wouldn't miss being at that for the world!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bench Coach on February 06, 2007, 11:24:23 AM
Quote from: inthepaint on February 05, 2007, 11:25:49 PM
I hope the Cowgirls can pull the proverbial rabbit out of the hat but it is looking like a Jacket run to me! 

That to me sounds like some people are giving up on their teams, I didn't mention your name so please don't take any offense to it.  There are some people who are starting to doubt their teams.  All I am saying is that I am not going to doubt "my team" until they are you of the conference tournament and they don't get a bid.  I know that isn't going to happen to "my team" because I believe in them and I know that they can do it, no matter what the odds are!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2007, 11:59:03 AM
Quote from: Bench Coach on February 06, 2007, 09:37:48 AM
Wow!  I haven't ever heard of people  giving up on their teams as easily as some of you are.  "Your team" has lost a couple games and many of you are jumping on the HPU banwagon.  On ANY given day ANY team can be defeated!  Everyone has a bad day, where they don't play well, and that is when you get beat.  I know people let their guard down and they get a little big headed, and you get beat.  I know some high school teams that has had that problem, they should of stomped a team and they ended up losing because they were looking for the next one.  I will not give up on the team or teams that I support.  I will cheer on HPU when the team that I want to win is out.  I think those that are giving up on their team need to do the same, if their fans aren't going to be behind them, then who is!!



Go LIB!!!  YOU CAN ACHIEVE ALL!!!!

Good post, Bench coach!

We just need LIB to decide which team will show up.  HSU made a big turnaround last year.  We just need the "LIB vs. HPU at Kimbrell" team to show up and not the "LIB vs. HPU at Brownwood"!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 06, 2007, 12:24:20 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2007, 11:59:03 AM
Quote from: Bench Coach on February 06, 2007, 09:37:48 AM
Wow!  I haven't ever heard of people  giving up on their teams as easily as some of you are . . .



Good post, Bench coach! . . .

Thanks, Bench Coach, for that dose of smelling salts!  :o  I repent!  Go HSU Cowgirls!  Forgive me for my momentary lapse of dedication!  I believe in you! 

Karma point for Bench Coach!  Not for your honesty but for shouting (the bold font) me back to reality!  I needed the slap in the face, the sharp correction, and the swift kick to the seat of my pants!  ;)

While HPU is showing more depth and strength than I have ever seen in Browntown that does not mean that my Cowgirls are not ready to repeat what we all witnessed last year.  And just because the Lady Jackets hold a commanding grasp on the ASC West title it does not mean that the Lady Tribe can't win the ASC title outright! 

Again, Bench Coach, Karma point from me!  Another will be deposited tomorrow when the board allows me to.  That is unless you smack me around again!   ;D

Ralph, I'd give you a Karma point too, but you don't need any! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 06, 2007, 12:30:12 PM

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Coach Potera-Haskins is an interesting case.  If you google her name, you find that she received support from the AAUW in a sex-discrimination suit versus Montana State related to compensation and support for her women's basketball teams.

Next, we find out that she was the last coach from the ASC-East to lead her team to a NCAA Playoff berth (Austin College in 1999). 

If we see her turning LaCollege into a winner, then we will understand that she was doing what it takes.  There is plenty of talent in Louisana and East Texas.  Those parents will probably be comfortable sending their daughters to play for her.

(I will not mention the school, but we had a coaching change at another school recently in which the new coach came in, and laid down the law.  That coach seems to be doing very well now.)

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was she at Austin College in the mid 90's?  If she is the same coach she was something else.  I remember watching their game at HSU and afterwards she grabbed the microphone and went into a spill about everything you can imagine.  She thanked her fans and supporters (there was about three in the stands), her family (none attended), and the men's team who wasn't even in the stands for the game!!!  She liked to put on a show. 

But she did know how to win.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 06, 2007, 02:41:46 PM
Quote from: thundercat on February 06, 2007, 11:18:28 AM
They will remain focused on what is in front of them (CUA on thursday) and nothing more.

They'd better. We only lost by 7 in Brownwood, and I think that's their closest margin outside of the HSU/MCM games. We can beat them, I think, it's just a matter of if it will happen or not.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 06, 2007, 02:49:19 PM
HPU will be ready to go.  I know they feel that game shouldn't have been that close.  They tried too hard to win it after they were hacked off after having the game moved to the next Monday.  This time around they will be focused and it may not be pretty.  Especially if Meia gets back on track.

CUA shouldn't be worrying about Thursday nights game.  They should be worried about tonight.  If they lose tonight or don't win by more than 10 they are mathematically out of the running for the conference tournament.

If they play like they did against TLU this past weekend they won't win another game this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 06, 2007, 02:58:37 PM
Oh, I'm sure the team will be ready to go tonight. They are (or should be anyway) angry about the TLU loss and ready to prove that we're not that bad. Speaking of which, it seems to me that TLU really got up for their games against us this year for some reason, maybe the whole Lutheran thing. :P

I'm quite aware of our chances of making the conference tourney. I try to be optimistic about that sort of thing, but realistically our chances of making it are slim to none. We'd have to beat UMHB, have them lose the rest of their games, and have us win out (which would mean beating HPU here and HSU and MCM in Abilene). The odds of that happening aren't very good, and even then it would come down to a tiebreaker.

On the other hand, we should have almost everyone back next year so we should be better with all the regulars getting so close (meaning 5th) and not making the tourney. Gotta be hungry.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 06, 2007, 05:14:10 PM
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp

HPU moved up to #4.  Usually HPU is further down the line in this poll than in the D3Hoops one.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 07:28:02 PM
They finally took notice, huh?

They only have one South voter, where they have two from the Mid-Atlantic and two from the West. Two West voters gives them someone on the West Coast, which I can't argue with, but why they would need two voters about an hour apart in Pennsylvania out of 10 overall is beyond me.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU75 on February 06, 2007, 07:35:20 PM
As an HPU fan, I am obviously thrilled for our team to be ranked #4 in the wbca poll and #5 in the "real" poll.  I do agree, Pat, that 10 voters is not nearly enough, especially with the regional concentration it has; HOWEVER, I am still surprised but pleased with that #4!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 06, 2007, 09:59:43 PM
Congrats to MC's Lacey Kennedy!  She became the ASC All Time Leading Scorer with a 30 point effort tonight in the win over LC.  Her total stands at 1813 points over a four year period.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 06, 2007, 10:45:30 PM
This is totally off the subject but I just have to ask.

With all the humility I can muster up, I must say that my last post (see above) was the stuff that deserves a positive karma vote.  However, someone (I think I know who  :-X) gave me their smite!

Tell me what I wrote that deserved a smack down!  I have done my best to not stir the pot, to not take cheap shots, to avoid the sarcasm . . . all those thing that I consider to be my spiritual gifts!  ;)

Give me some help here!  What was the issue?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 06, 2007, 11:09:33 PM
I know this sounds lame, but could someone clue me in on how to give karma points. You would think after 3 or 4 years of this I would know, but I don't  :-[
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 06, 2007, 11:21:56 PM
fanstand you do it by clicking on applaud or smite under the persons comment you want to do it to. 


inthepaint not sure why someone took one away from you.  didn't look like anything negative on your part was said.  it sure looked all positive towards your cowgirls.

I guess whatever i said previously deserved losing one too...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 06, 2007, 11:29:06 PM
You need to reach 200 posts before you can do that.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 06, 2007, 11:35:56 PM
Fanstand, let me help you out, bud.  You can practice on my post here.  Just hit the applaud link under my photo!  ;)  Avoid the smite, please!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 06, 2007, 11:59:24 PM
This preoccupation with karma points is, I suppose, simply a reflection of my poor self esteem, battered about, tossed here and there by the whims of those who smite without thinking of the emotional damage they inflict. 

To some it must seem like such an insignificant click of the mouse.  However, to those of us who struggle under the weight of NKS, or Negative Karma Syndrome, we sign on to D3hoops.com with sweaty palms and shortness of breath.  We find that a new page has been added to the Women's Basketball, South Region thread, a new page that may hold the posts of fellow DIII fans who see flaws in our posts.  Flaws that prompt the smite.  Oh, the humanity of it all!

I think I need professional help.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 07, 2007, 08:20:07 AM
 ???It is strange that inthepaint doesn't receive more Karma.  He has posted nothing but positives towards his team and rival HPU. 

If I could give some Karma I would.  Come on, spread the love.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bench Coach on February 07, 2007, 09:37:05 AM
Thank you for the Karma point inthepaint, I am glad that I can bring you back to reality.  It ain't over till you are out and don't get a bid.  I believe that the two abilene teams will come on strong when the conference tournament gets here.  LIB, you did it traveling all the way to Mississippi last year, and you can do it taking a short trip to Bwood.  I don't think that the LIB showing in bwood was the LIB we have seen early on.  Girls, you just need to bounce back and play your game, and don't play for anyone but you and your teammates that are beside and behind you everyday.  I feel sorry for the teams that play you this week....I think the LIB will turn it on.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 07, 2007, 11:22:58 AM
inthepaint, if I could give out Karma points I would but to give you some more credit you have definitely "grown" over the years!  I remember times not that long ago where you were trashing certain coaches and teams.  Those days seem to be gone, thankfully!  We are all much happier reading good natured debates on the board. 

I know HPU will be ready for the game tomorrow night, there really isn't much love between the two programs it seems.  I am interested to see these young post players CUAfan speaks of for myself.  Also am wondering what kind of fan turnout it will be for CUA.  They haven't had great ones in the past and there isn't any excuse for them to not be there in support of the team.  I guess we will see!

 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 07, 2007, 11:27:23 AM
Oh just FYI, HPU will be broadcasting the game over the Net.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 07, 2007, 05:33:39 PM
I know it's already on the discussion board as a voting topic, but does anyone think that ETBU has a chance to upset the West Powers in the tourney.  Last year, they beat HSU in the first round.  I was also wondering if they have any shot at an at-large bid if they make the championship game and then lose.  They are 18-4 this year and are a very tough team to match up with their size and quickness.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2007, 05:45:19 PM
Quote from: gccfan on February 07, 2007, 05:33:39 PM
I know it's already on the discussion board as a voting topic, but does anyone think that ETBU has a chance to upset the West Powers in the tourney.  Last year, they beat HSU in the first round.  I was also wondering if they have any shot at an at-large bid if they make the championship game and then lose.  They are 18-4 this year and are a very tough team to match up with their size and quickness.

Right now, no!  I think that they must win the conference tourney.  Not even HSU is in the regional rankings that have been posted.

What would have ETBU in contention for an at-large bid?

Wins over South Region Ranked teams #2 Oglethorpe and #5 Hendrix.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on February 07, 2007, 05:48:52 PM
Ralph et. al.--

I realize that I'm somewhat of a drive-by fan on the hoops site--most of my posts are on the football side of things, simply because there are so many fewer teams/games to try to keep up with.  But...

Can someone explain to me how a five loss Oglethorpe team checks into the regional rankings at #2?  Have I missed something that big, here?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 07, 2007, 05:56:46 PM
Josh my only guess is their wins against Depauw and Illinois Wesleyan put them in that spot.  But you would think their 3 in-region losses would have pushed them down.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 07, 2007, 10:08:48 PM
ETBU would be like UMHB last year: got all the way to the final game of the tournament, lost to McM and then got ignored while HSU and HPU, which had gotten beaten earlier, both got bids to the playoffs.  It seems to me getting in the national rankings puts you on the radar screen of the NCAA people who decide who gets bids (or at least decide the borderline cases)... and after HSU got beaten early in the tournament but then made it to the Final Four, I'd think the tendency to give bids to teams with national rankings, no matter what their tournament record looks like, would only be strengthened.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2007, 10:18:39 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 07, 2007, 10:08:48 PM
ETBU would be like UMHB last year: got all the way to the final game of the tournament, lost to McM and then got ignored while HSU and HPU, which had gotten beaten earlier, both got bids to the playoffs.  It seems to me getting in the national rankings puts you on the radar screen of the NCAA people who decide who gets bids (or at least decide the borderline cases)... and after HSU got beaten early in the tournament but then made it to the Final Four, I'd think the tendency to give bids to teams with national rankings, no matter what their tournament record looks like, would only be strengthened.
Most people think that HSU was the last (or next-to-last) Pool C team to make the tourney.  The Cowgirls had an in-region record of 19-5, but had wins over regional ranked teams McM and HPU.  We don't know the final regional ranking, but those 2 wins may have played a big part in the Pool C bids.

The ASC Tourney serves to select the Pool A bid for the conference.  The Presidents expanded the tourney to the top 4 teams in each division about 2 years ago. 

If a team fails to win the Pool A bid, then the NCAA considers the entire season to award one of the at-large bids.  ETBU's 2006 in-region record of 15-9 placed them out of serious consideration.  ETBU's hope for the tourney was to win the whole thing, as UT-D did for the men in 2005.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2007, 10:29:23 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on February 07, 2007, 05:48:52 PM
Ralph et. al.--

I realize that I'm somewhat of a drive-by fan on the hoops site--most of my posts are on the football side of things, simply because there are so many fewer teams/games to try to keep up with.  But...

Can someone explain to me how a five loss Oglethorpe team checks into the regional rankings at #2?  Have I missed something that big, here?

Josh, the in-region record (and I would expect the QOWI) is what gave them their consideration.  They still have to play DePauw, which may give them another loss.

The Illinois Wesleyan win and Puget Sound loss and Packific Lutheran loss should not make a difference.  (I wonder if the IWU win over a ranked Central Region team as a secondary criterion did not influence their ranking.  ??? )
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2007, 11:13:31 PM
Josh, I ran the numbers on the QOWI.  That is the source of the advantage for Oglethorpe.

OU's QOWI is 10.5.  (I calculate 189 QOW points in 18 games.)  They have wins over in-region ranked opponents DePauw and Hendrix (as well as IWU).  Their only loss to a ranked team is to Maryville.

They earned these point totals for these wins...Emory 11, LaGrange 13, Piedmont 14, Agnes Scott 12, Ferrum 14, DePauw 14, Rhodes 13, Sewanee 10, Southwestern 11, Austin College 12 and Hendrix 14.

For McMurry, I count an in-region loss to UW-Stout and splitting with HPU.
I calculate the QOWI as 9.8510.00 (197 200* points in 20 games).

McM LIB earned these point totals for these wins...Guilford 11, Miss Coll 12, at HSU12 15*, ETBU 15, Concordia IL 11, UTT 14, UMHB 15, CUA 11, HPU 14.

The ASC is hurt by our poorer quality teams and the fact that we win so few in-region games.  Our 21 game conference schedule prevents us from boosting our records against teams in other conferences.  Oglethorpe does have teams from 3 other conferences within a 3 hour drive that they can play.(UAA-Emory; GSAC- Piedmont, LaGrange, Agnes Scott, Spelman and Maryville TN; USAC-Averett, Ferrum.)

Coach Nichols went out and got 3 South Region games out of 4 non-conference (at host Guilford NC; neutral site in Georgetown versus UW-Stout and Concordia IL.) 

By the criteria, it looks like OU has earned it. 

* Correction, the McM win at HSU was worth 15 points!  Thanks, friend,  for the off-line correction!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 08, 2007, 10:08:08 AM
Ralph, thanks for the explanation.  I have always felt like it hurts us to have to play 20+ conference games a year when you can only play 20 total.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bench Coach on February 08, 2007, 01:52:56 PM
I say LIB go win these next 4 games and then go to Bwood and take care of business and don't worry about needing a bid.....win the conference tournament and take it all!!!     ;D

GO LIB!!!!     :P
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on February 08, 2007, 02:26:25 PM
Outstaning piece on small-town Texas girls basketball on ESPNs front page right now:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=nazareth

Thought you all would enjoy.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 08, 2007, 03:51:18 PM
I just wanted to update the top 10 players using the SI Player Rating system.

1. Lacey Kennedy, MC -- 55.57
2. Tarra Richardson, McM -- 54.52
3. Mandi Carter, UO -- 44.90
4. Sha Shead, UTT -- 41.62
5. Sarah Stanley, UTT -- 40.07
6. Meia Daniels, HPU -- 39.05
7. Nitra Woods, SRSU -- 37.58
8. Jeanne Randall, UO -- 36.30
9. Kassandra Bills, CUA -- 35.28
10. Kelli Brasher, LC -- 32.40
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 08, 2007, 10:36:35 PM
Thursday night scores and updates?!?!?!?!?

Anyone?!?!?!?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 08, 2007, 10:48:44 PM
A lot are already posted on this site at
http://www.d3hoops.com/schedule.php?date=2007-02-08&team=womens
Doesn't look like anything that wasn't expected. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2007, 11:31:32 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2007, 09:28:27 PM
Quote from: ETigerBU on February 02, 2007, 05:19:37 PM
Just a question...

What exactly must ETBU do in order to start getting national attention?

We are 17-4 and the 4 is coming from 3 nationally ranked teams (with an extremely close game or two in there) and a Division II school.  This might be a bold prediction but at some point the Lady Tigers are going to make someone stand up and start paying attention to them!
ETigerBU, you asked the question.  Let me answer it from the perspective of an outside consultant.  No malice intended, but the answers I will give you are variations of the same theme.  (I want the quality of ASC basketball to be recognized nationally, and have for the 7 years I have been on this site.)

1)  Look at the non-conference schedule.  There is no game on this year's schedule that helps one bit with Top 25 or the NCAA Playoff calculations.  NAIA's D2's or D1's are worthless.  You have 4 NAIA's and a D2.  Those count nothing!  Your schedule should be no more than Wylie as "city-benefit game" sponsored by the Lions Club or the YMCA as a fundraiser and maybe a "money game" from a D1.  Otherwise, your non-conference games should be South Region "in-region". Even Louisiana College's win over a D1 is now forgotten.

2)  Schedule in-region D3 opponents that are nationally ranked.  If you had played South Region opponents (http://www.d3hoops.com/regions.php?region=south&team=w&view=standings) that have a solid winning record (e.g., > .700 percentage), then the nation would be saying something.  HPU, HSU, McM all played teams with a national reputation in the non-conference.  In fact, those teams have tried to get national recognition via their schedules for several years.  Click on the non-conference schedules.  As it is now, you are just another team that has lost to those 3.  If you had victories over South Region opponents Hendrix and Oglethrope in the non-conference, then I believe you would be receiving votes.

3)  Consider the western US for some games. With the new Administrative Region guideline change for in-region games, you can schedule any team from Missouri, Illinois and Wisconsin westward and have it count as in-region.

4)  Schedule very tough "out-of-region" non-conference games against well-respected teams from the MIAA, the OAC or teams that are always in the Top 25.  You may catch them in an off-year, but no one knows that yet in November, and that is when teams show up on the radar screens.  This may not help with Playoff Calculations, but it does help the general reputation of the team.

This may mean spending the bucks to go on a big trip every year, but if the players have demonstrated that excellence, then they need the investment from the university. :)

ETigerBU,

Let me give you an example of what ETBU could do to get themselves into the regional rankings.

I suggested ETBU playing Oglethorpe and Hendrix instead of NAIA teams.

I count your (ETBU's) current QOWI is 165 points in 17 games or 9.71.  If ETBU had defeated Oglethorpe and Hendrix on the road or at a neutral site, then those ETBU wins would be worth 15 points each.  Let's add the 30 points to the QOWI, and we get 195 points in 19 South Region games and we get and QOWI of 10.26, higher than McMurry at 10.00.

As I look at this week's regional rankings, this would give ETBU an in-region record of 16-3.  The Lady Tigers would have a record vs. ranked teams of 2-2 (better than McMurry).  The victory over Oglethorpe would knock them down at least one notch and might put ETBU at least 3rd in the South Region and maybe 2nd.  The win over Hendrix would might knnock Hendrix down a notch.

That high of a ranking would also put ETBU in great shape to earn a Pool C (at-large) playoff bid, if they did not win the tourney.

As I said, those NAIA games have probably hurt ETBU's chances more than they have helped the team's schedule.  I understand playing Wiley and maybe getting a "money" game from a D1 or a D2.

I hope that the Lady Tigers will start scheduling D3 games that count towards the tourney.  Play on the road at Hendrix.  A road win is worth more than a home win!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2007, 12:03:06 AM
I see that the NCAA is going to Pool bids for Women's Tennis (http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/tennis/2007/2007_d3_w_tennis_handbook.pdf).

The winner of the ASC-tourney this year will get the Tourney bid for women.  Only ETBU does not sponsor women's tennis.

The men are not using the Pool system this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 09, 2007, 06:46:27 AM
Anybody else see Meia Daniels in Sports Illustrated this week?  She is in the Faces in the Crowd section.  Wasn't another HPU player in that section a few years back? I think it was a men's player.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 09, 2007, 10:33:01 AM
Quote from: McM93 on February 09, 2007, 06:46:27 AM
Anybody else see Meia Daniels in Sports Illustrated this week?  She is in the Faces in the Crowd section.  Wasn't another HPU player in that section a few years back? I think it was a men's player.

I have not see that but a HUGE congratulations to Meia and to the HPU program.  National attention is priceless.  What a great affirmation of a very talented athlete and a first class program!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2007, 10:40:12 AM
Quote from: inthepaint on February 09, 2007, 10:33:01 AM
Quote from: McM93 on February 09, 2007, 06:46:27 AM
Anybody else see Meia Daniels in Sports Illustrated this week?  She is in the Faces in the Crowd section.  Wasn't another HPU player in that section a few years back? I think it was a men's player.

I have not see that but a HUGE congratulations to Meia and to the HPU program.  National attention is priceless.  What a great affirmation of a very talented athlete and a first class program!

Gotta be signs of the end-times...this big love-fest in the ASC-West!

Congratulations Meia! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 09, 2007, 10:41:56 AM
if I'm not mistaken the HPU women's team will be on ESPN Classics and ESPN U on February 21st on their On Campus show spotlighting the two sets of sisters on the team as well as the Blalocks(brother/sister) on the men's and women's teams.


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 09, 2007, 10:45:55 AM
What are the times of that program?  Great media coverage of our conference!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 09, 2007, 10:54:49 AM
That's what i'm not sure.  I was told the 21st was the day but it could be changed.  I looked at the ESPN listings and the only time I saw "NCAA On Campus" was the 22nd at 12:30pm.  It may have been changed but if anybody else knows for sure please let us know.  If i find out anymore information i'll be sure to post it on here.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: FrmrHSUer on February 09, 2007, 11:08:40 AM
Quote from: McM93 on February 09, 2007, 06:46:27 AM
Anybody else see Meia Daniels in Sports Illustrated this week?  She is in the Faces in the Crowd section.  Wasn't another HPU player in that section a few years back? I think it was a men's player.

Congrats to Meia and her hard work has paid off. 2chr15:7.

Quote from: dballa on February 09, 2007, 10:41:56 AM
if I'm not mistaken the HPU women's team will be on ESPN Classics and ESPN U on February 21st on their On Campus show spotlighting the two sets of sisters on the team as well as the Blalocks(brother/sister) on the men's and women's teams.

And when this does air, congrats to the HPU Lady Jackets for getting some deserved national attention.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 09, 2007, 11:14:07 AM
I was able to watch the HPU women's team for the first time last night (I know, why so late!).  I was very impressed with the depth of the team.  Even the 5 on the floor at the end of the game were impressive and will be great in the future.  I hope these young ones are learning just what it takes to be successful!  Molly Buker has been a huge difference maker in the last few games.  She has always been a great point guard and does a wonderful job running the show, but she has really turned into the on court leader!  She isn't afraid to get on her teammates when they aren't performing to their ability.  She is also shooting the ball great from the perimeter and can take anybody off the dribble.  She is deceptively quick!  Here is her stat line from last night as far as I can remember.

Buker 14 pts, 3 rebs, 4 assists, 0 TO, 4 steals in 24 min

Great, well rounded player.  She comes at you from all angles!

I have heard as well that the ESPN deal will be on the 21st, but will also be rerun many times as well.  Please keep me updated as I would love to see it!  This is great for the conference and HPU!

Good luck saturday at UMHB, they are a very talented team and always play HPU very tough!  Great shooters which makes it hard on our defense! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU75 on February 09, 2007, 01:10:38 PM
Wow, as an HPU grad and fan, I am absolutely overwhelmed by all this positive press.  Thanks also for the kind words from our ASC brethren!!  I also was at the HPU game last night, thundercat, and I concur with your analysis of that game and especially of the play of Molly Buker.  Obviously we have a very talented team this year but I am just thrilled with the attention to our team and our school!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 09, 2007, 02:47:28 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2007, 10:40:12 AM
Quote from: inthepaint on February 09, 2007, 10:33:01 AM
Quote from: McM93 on February 09, 2007, 06:46:27 AM
Anybody else see Meia Daniels in Sports Illustrated this week?  She is in the Faces in the Crowd section.  Wasn't another HPU player in that section a few years back? I think it was a men's player.

I have not see that but a HUGE congratulations to Meia and to the HPU program.  National attention is priceless.  What a great affirmation of a very talented athlete and a first class program!

Gotta be signs of the end-times...this big love-fest in the ASC-West!

Congratulations Meia! :)

;D ;D ;D . . . and a red heifer has been born in Israel!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 09, 2007, 05:51:49 PM
The ESPN Classis "NCAA On Campus" show will air Wednesday February 21 on ESPN Classic at 1:30 EST.  It will also be on ESPN U on the following days:
2/22/07 THU 01:30P
2/27/07 TUE 03:30P
3/02/07 FRI 07:30A
3/04/07 SUN 05:30P
3/05/07 MON 04:00P
3//07/07 WED 05:30P
And it will eventually be on NCAA,org, under Media & Events, click on Broadcasting and you'll see a link for On Campus TV Show.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on February 09, 2007, 08:11:47 PM
I'm out of the loop, been gone. But gag me with the love crap. Heck, the way this board is going, why don't you just give HPU a ticket to the Final Four. Did I miss something? Last I checked there is a tournament to play and regions to be won. National recognition sure can give you a big head, watch out, its just one game at a time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 09, 2007, 08:36:14 PM
Did anybody else see Kendra Anderson on Wheel of Fortune tonight?  Is she coaching in South Carolina?

Man, am I the only one seeing conference ties all over the country?  Can I ask anymore questions?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2007, 10:34:11 PM
Good news tonight...

DePauw beat Hendrix, 73-54.  Hendrix falls to 15-3, in-region 18-4 overall.

McM has risen to a tie for 2nd in in-region won-loss percentage.

HSU is tied for 8th at 16-4 in-region.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 10, 2007, 10:16:27 AM
It's game day.  Off to Belton to support the Lady Jackets.  I hope there's a big crowd there today especially with HPU faithful.

Any other travelers today drive safe.

STING 'EM JACKETS!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU75 on February 10, 2007, 10:23:34 AM
Thanks matalk. Yeah, everyone forgot you still have to play the games.  Of course anybody  with half a brain knows how basketball works. You win on the court not here.  Sorry good sportsmanship gags you.  I am also sorry being excited about success equates  to a "big head."   I do not agree. I am not a big fan of blowhards in real life or  on message boards.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 10, 2007, 02:06:23 PM
Amen HPU75!  matalk, we haven't missed you on the board, didn't even know you were gone, maybe you should keep it that way!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2007, 11:20:05 PM
McM 85, Schreiner 59  Final Stats (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/WBasketball/Results%202006/021007w.htm)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 11, 2007, 12:12:13 AM
Check me on my figures, Ralph, but it seems to me that McM is the only one of the top four schools that could get displaced in the final week of regulation.  HPU is a game ahead but holds the tie breaker with McM, so it could lose a game (very unlikely considering its remaining schedule) and still have first place.  HSU is two games ahead of UMHB so it could also lose a game without affecting its standing.  But if McM loses either of the two upcoming games and HSU wins both of its games, then McM and HSU are tied with HSU holding the point advantage, so McM falls into third place.
  HPU - 18 wins
  McM - 17 wins
  HSU - 16 wins
UMHB - 14 wins
LIB, don't let up now!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2007, 12:14:52 AM
Quote from: lcwildcatfan on February 10, 2007, 03:53:52 PM
Here is the article in today's paper about the LC Girls quitting.

LC players say they quit to send message about coach
By Bob Tompkins
btompkins@thetowntalk.com
(318) 487-6349

Six players and the student assistant coach who recently quit the Louisiana College women's basketball team said their lack of respect for first-year coach Robin Potera-Haskins drove them away from the program.

The seven - student assistant Dustin Doyle, starters Carol Edler and Ashley Peairs and reserves Lindsay LaBowe, Kayla Shirley, Paige Singleton and Lauren Speeg - left the program shortly before a Feb. 1 game at East Texas Baptist University.


ADVERTISEMENT
 
A group of 13 players walked out of practice on Jan. 30. Seven returned to the team in time for the Lady Wildcats' game at East Texas Baptist.

The players did not not speak publicly about their decision to leave the team until this week.
"We didn't talk then because they told us not to talk to the press," said Elder, a senior co-captain and the team's leading scorer.


Hey, seriously -- this is copyrighted material you're posting here. Just give us a couple of paragraphs and link to the story.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2007, 12:40:27 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 11, 2007, 12:12:13 AM
Check me on my figures, Ralph, but it seems to me that McM is the only one of the top four schools that could get displaced in the final week of regulation.  HPU is a game ahead but holds the tie breaker with McM, so it could lose a game (very unlikely considering its remaining schedule) and still have first place.  HSU is two games ahead of UMHB so it could also lose a game without affecting its standing.  But if McM loses either of the two upcoming games and HSU wins both of its games, then McM and HSU are tied with HSU holding the point advantage, so McM falls into third place.
  HPU - 18 wins
  McM - 17 wins
  HSU - 16 wins
UMHB - 14 wins
LIB, don't let up now!!!

According to the conference tie-breaker the first is head-to-head.  The second is record versus division opponents in descending order.  We have a record of 1-1 vs HPU; HSU is 0-2.  We have it on the 2nd tie-breaker.  Point differential is third.

We need the wins for earning Pool C bids, if we don't win the tourney.  A win over UMHB will be worth 12- 14 points depending on their final season record thru the tourney.  UMHB has an in-region record of 16-6 (.667).  They face McM and UMHB and then the tourney.  We need UMHB keep  their in-region percentage at .667, but hopefully not at our expense.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 11, 2007, 10:10:21 AM
Hmmm, pretty complicated system.  Were you a math major as an undergrad?  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 11, 2007, 11:23:02 AM
Props to ETBU for clinching the title in the "other" division (in general), and to the Tigers' Sunnie Davis (in particular) for setting a new team record for total blocked shots by an individual ETBU player--(and she's only a sophomore yet! If she stays with the program for 2 more productive seasons, look out!! :) ;) :D 8)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 11, 2007, 05:19:05 PM
My son phoned me to say that Austin College just beat DePauw, by a margin of 4 or something like that.  Since a lot of the SCAC schools are in the Southern region, will that have any effect on the regional rankings for our ASC schools?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2007, 05:21:07 PM
Probably not. It doesn't change the value of a win or loss to DePauw or Austin.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on February 12, 2007, 11:31:39 AM
Quote from: McM93 on February 09, 2007, 06:46:27 AM
Anybody else see Meia Daniels in Sports Illustrated this week?  She is in the Faces in the Crowd section.  Wasn't another HPU player in that section a few years back? I think it was a men's player.

congrats to Meia

and yes that mysterious men's player was Benny West.  A great gaurd that was as good as any in D3 hoops.  his senior year he averaged 24 points and 5 steals!  (lead the NCAA in steals per game)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2007, 10:00:40 PM
This may be the best week ever for the ASC.

HPU #3
McM #9
HSU #13.

Congratulations to all!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 13, 2007, 08:14:00 AM
I guess we can't say our conference isn't getting any respect in the polls.  Big jumps for all ranked teams.

This will lead up to a great conference and national tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 13, 2007, 09:41:41 AM
Finally, that is awesome. I only wish we could run the after conference tournament to where we don't have to play each other the first week.  I guess all our whinning won't help with the NCAA tourney group. Would it not help to break this conference pairings up? Or do they just not care? I know it's the money, but come on, how do you truly get a national champ when 3 top 15 teams have to knock each other out the first week?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 13, 2007, 11:07:51 AM
I agree with you fanstand, I hate the fact that HPU is most likely going to get stuck playing HSU and McM two more times within a two week span. I don't want to have to see you guys again until the Final Four.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 13, 2007, 11:08:35 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2007, 10:00:40 PM
This may be the best week ever for the ASC.

For the last few years I have seen, and posted myself, time and again that the ASC will not get the nod of others around the nation until the ASC goes deep in postseason play.  Last year's Final Four appearance by HSU surely helped a great deal.  Another deep run in the postseason, hopefully all the way to the national title, would be "priceless."  This could be the year!  These three teams, with HPU leading the way, are making everyone around the country take notice!

What a year!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 13, 2007, 11:31:40 AM
I believe that this year as well as last year, any or all of these 3 teams could go deep into the playoffs given the opportunity. Unfortunately, we aren't given the opportunity because of the post conference tourney.  Love the NCAA committees. For more than one reason.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 13, 2007, 11:57:23 AM
Well the good news is Trinity is down this year and unless they show up and win their conference tournament we'll have a new team in the mix.  Or that could help to break up our "Texas Bracket" for the first couple of rounds.  Also HSU is on the bubble right now and they may not even make the tournament if they don't play well in the ASC tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 13, 2007, 12:42:45 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 13, 2007, 11:57:23 AM
Well the good news is Trinity is down this year and unless they show up and win their conference tournament we'll have a new team in the mix.  Or that could help to break up our "Texas Bracket" for the first couple of rounds.  Also HSU is on the bubble right now and they may not even make the tournament if they don't play well in the ASC tournament.

I have to disagree about HSU.  I think they get in and make some noise.  People thought the same things about them this time last year and look what they did.  I believe HPU is the strongest ASC team, but you never know until the tournament gets here.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU75 on February 13, 2007, 01:27:14 PM
I agree that HSU should get in and certainly deserves to get in, but that first regional ranking was not helpful.  I think our big conference can hurt us with the QOWI. Congrats to all 3 ASC teams and their rankings this week--especially our #3 HPU team! The ASC is certainly getting plenty of respect from the pollsters.  I believe we all can thank  HSU and their Final Four run  last year for a lot of that!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 13, 2007, 02:45:04 PM
I'm not saying I don't think they should be in the NCAA tournament but with their QOWI in the mid 60's and being ranked below 6th in the South Region, that's not helping them in the eyes of the selection committee.  That loss to Southwestern might come back to haunt them in the long run if they don't finish strong in the conference tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 14, 2007, 10:19:47 AM
dballa, if I remember right  HSU wasn't regionally ranked in the final poll last year and they obviously got a bid.  I think it would take them losing the rest of their games for them to not get in the NCAA tourney, and I just don't see that happening. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 14, 2007, 03:12:09 PM
Quote from: McM93 on February 13, 2007, 12:42:45 PM
I have to disagree about HSU.  I think they get in and make some noise.

How strong is HSU?  Trying to be scientific (!!), a quick check of some point spreads with higher-ranked McM:

McM-HPU, 2 games: HPU over McM by 16  (McM won by 1, then lost by 17)
HSU-HPU, 2 games: HPU over HSU by 15  HSU lost by 5 and then by 10)

McM-HSU, 2 games: HSU over McM by 5   (McM won by 5, then lost by 10)

McM-UMHB, 1 game: McM beat UMHB by 4
HSU-UMHB, 1 game: HSU beat UMHB by 20

Though McM has a better overall record of wins/losses than HSU, HSU actually has a better point count when the points by which it lost are compared to the points by which it won.

I think this team can still do a lot of damage in the playoffs -- the obvious question is: against whom?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU75 on February 14, 2007, 04:25:02 PM
I agree mcmfan.  Being an HPU big fan and alum, and living in salado--near UMHB-- I have seen 3 of the 4 HPU/MCM/HSU games in person.  I did not see either HSU/MCM game. I have also seen ALL  4 UMHB games to date against the big three.  I know HSU is very capable.  In fact, in my humble opinion, if I had to rank the teams  it would be HPU--1, HSU--2 and MCM--3.  I know the head -to-head results say otherwise, but that is my judgment.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2007, 05:09:14 PM
The Criteria we must consider for HSU getting a bid are the published NCAA Criteria:

Won-Lost Percentage
QOW Index
IN region head-to-head
IN region versus common Regional Opponents
Record against regionally ranked teams.

There are comments about these definitions:
Games versus UT-Tyler count.
The regional ranking on Selection Sunday is the official one.
The (ASC) Post-Season Tourney counts in the criteria.

South Region won-loss percentage

Tied for 8th best at .810 (17-4). (http://www.d3hoops.com/regions.php?region=south&team=w&view=standings)

South Region QOWI

7th in the South Region at #62 overall. (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=2920.105)    At 9.857, they can raise their QOWI by a win over CUA (possible 10 point QOWI win) and a win over UMHB (a possible 14 point win).  That would roughly raise the QOWI to 10.000, but might not push them past ETBU.

South Region In Region Head-to-Head for February 7, 2007

1 Howard Payne 19-1 20-1
2 Oglethorpe 15-3 16-5
3 McMurry 17-3 18-3
4 Randolph-Macon 15-2 16-3
5 Hendrix 15-2 20-3
6 Maryville (Tenn.) 13-2 15-3

Regional Rankings for Feb 14, 2007 (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2007/02/14/ncaa-regional-rankings-week-2/) HSU is back in!

South
1. Howard Payne 21-1 22-1, 11.000
2. Oglethorpe 17-3 18-5, 10.450
3. McMurry 19-3 20-3, 10.182
4. Maryville (Tenn.) 16-2 19-3, 10.176
5. Randolph-Macon 17-3 18-4, 10.150
6. Hardin-Simmons 17-4 18-4, 9.857

HSU is 1-3 versus in-region ranked opponents.

IN region versus common Regional Opponents

Let's consider Oglethorpe vs HSU.  Oglethorpe defeated Southwestern and lost to Trinity.  HSU beat Trinity and lost to Southwestern.  They go 1-1, each.

As we are coming down to the last spot in Pool C, we have to look at how they fared versus other teams.  They beat ETBU.  There are no other ASC contenders for the South Region Rankings.

Those are the only criteria the committee uses.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2007, 11:51:11 PM
Since the ASC-East, as a formal division, has never had a playoff representative in women's basketball, here is what the ASC-East would need to do to be an independent conference on its own.

Five Women's Sports with 7 teams each including one sport from each of the 3 seasons.  These sports are complete.

Women Fall:  Soccer.
Women Winter: Basketball
Women Spring: Softball

To get the ASC-East up to the full complement of 5 women's sports, this must happen:

Women Fall:  Cross Country--  LeTU add the sport.
Women Spring:  Tennis -- ETBU add the sport.

Also possible:

Women Fall:  Volleyball -- UOzarks and LaCollege add the sport for the conference to get the AQ in Volleyball.
Spring Golf: Only LeTU competes--Consider Affiliating with the ASC-West.

Men Fall:  Soccer
Men Winter:  Basketball
Men Spring:  Baseball, Tennis

To get the ASC-East up to the full complement of 5 sports, this must happen:

Men Fall:  Cross Country -- LeTU adds the sport

Also possible:

Men Football:  Miss Coll, LaColl and ETBU may affiliate with the ASC-West.  There are already 5 other conferences that have football affiliates!
Men Golf:  ETBU and UOz add the sport.

Only MissColl has M&W Track and Field -- Consider affiliating with the ASC-West.

As I understand it, UT-Tyler becomes a full member of the NCAA on August 1, 2007.  That gives the full complement of the 7 teams needed for the Automatic Qualifier in Soccer, Basketball and Softball.  With the addition of those proposed additions in Volleyball and Women's Tennis, the conference gets the AQ in those sports!

Let's say that the ASC-East could remain intact, add those sports that I recommended and hold the AQ's in all sports, except football.   The ASC-West could secede and form a brand new conference.  After a 2-year period, the ASC-West, whatever its new name, would have the AQ as well.  The Northern Athletics Conference is doing this now as a new conference.

This is what we would have:

Women Fall:  Volleyball, Soccer (everyone except SRSU).
Women Winter:  Basketball
Women Spring:  Tennis, Softball (everyone except McM).

These are the complete 5 women's sports with no additions needed!

Also possible:

Women's Fall:  Cross Country (HSU, HPU and UMHB add.)
Women's Spring:  Golf:  We have the "core 4" needed to declare an official championship.
Women's Spring:  T&F--We have the "core 4" to declare an official championship.

Men Fall:  Soccer (all except SRSU); Football has the Required Core of 6.  With at least one football affiliate, we can have an AQ after 2 years. 
Men Winter:  Basketball
Men Spring:  Baseball, Tennis

These are the necessary 5 sports in 3 seasons.

Also Possible:

Men Fall:  Cross country--the Core 4 for an official Championship; (needing HPU, HSU, UMHB and TLU to add)
Men Spring:  Men's Golf -- the Core 6 (all except HPU and SRSU).

Football would compete for playoff bids in Pool B for 2 years.  Well-known recent Pool B bids include Linfield, Washington & Jefferson, Carnegie Mellon, and Wesley.

Men's Track and Field--only 3 schools offer, McM, HPU and SRSU.  We would need a 4th to have the necessary number for an official conference championship.  (There have been rumors around Abilene of HSU adding men's and women's track.)

Any sport not getting a Pool A bid competes nationally with other Pool B's for those bids OR they may be invited to affiliate with another conference for their Pool A bid.

Just something to consider.  Looking at this year's outcomes, we could have had extra NCAA bids for Men's Soccer going to MIssissippi College, for Women's Soccer going to UT-D, Volleyball going to either ETBU or UT-Dallas, 2 Pool A bids going to Basketball (UMHB men and ETBU women), and an extra bid for Softball and Baseball!  Now with 2 AQ's in this part of the country, and Trinity, Austin College, Southwestern,Hendrix or Millsaps getting an AQ from the SCAC or UDallas getting a Pool B, splitting into 2 separate conferences increases the chance of playoff games in Texas.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 15, 2007, 07:23:57 PM
Ralph, I've read that over carefully and I agree with you 100%  :P  Ha!

You did it again!  I know others would say the same...and all of us appreciate your insight and the time you take to keep us all "informed/educated!" ;)

Thanks a million! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2007, 09:08:29 PM
dsc, that analysis assumes these facts.

1)  The ASC-West remains the same stable 8 teams.  I do not think that we will get a Lubbock Christian or Wayland Baptist to come from NAIA, or anyone else from the NAIA.  UT-PB has gone to D2.  There are no other likely candidates to want to move to D3, IMHO.

2)  The ASC-East remains stable.  In the past few years we have seen these issues.

--We can recall Miss College investigating D2 about 2 years ago.
--We have heard of the questions with Southern Association of Colleges and Schools and LaCollege a couple of years ago.
--We have a UT-Tyler that is growing and growing and building and building.  Even their web site says that they have facilities that rival anything in D3.  Will the UT-Tyler community perceive themselves to be more akin to D2?
--We have a UT-Dallas that is also getting bigger.  Would they follow UT-Permian Basin (newly D-2), UT-San Antonio, UT-Arlington and UT-Pan American (all D1-A non-football) and possibly a UT-Tyler to another classification?  UT-Dallas and UT-Tyler are the only 2 UT System schools in D3.

The converse question can be asked.  Is an ASC-East that does not involve the long distances to Seguin, Kerrville, Abilene and Alpine even more attractive?  I see that D2 Ouachita Baptist and Harding College in Arkansas are the 2 of the 3 private schools in the 15-team (D-2) Gulf South Conference.  Who might move into an ASC-East whose current boundaries are Clarksville AR, Clinton MS, Pineville LA and Longview TX or Tyler or Dallas?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 15, 2007, 10:55:09 PM
Thanks, Ralph.

BTW, HSU is indicating that Cross Crountry and Men's/Women's track will commence in 2008.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2007, 12:58:01 AM
HPU clinched at least a share of the West Division title tonight, but  since HPU has the tiebreaker do they get it outright regardless of Saturday?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2007, 01:03:48 AM
Quote from: sethhpu on February 16, 2007, 12:58:01 AM
HPU clinched at least a share of the West Division title tonight, but  since HPU has the tiebreaker do they get it outright regardless of Saturday?
Yes, if they win.

I have the bracket as:

UMHB W#4
ETBU  E#1
                    ========
LaColl E#3
McM  W#2
=================
HSU W#3
MissColl E#2
                    ========
UOz E#4
HPU W#1
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 16, 2007, 07:05:15 AM
Ralph actually UT Dallas is in the driver seat for that 3rd spot and have already clinched a spot in the tournament.  The standings on the D3hoops ASC page is incorrect.

The conference website has the correct standings on the womens page www.americansouthwestconf.org

The 4th is between La College and Ozarks.

Ozarks plays LETU and La College plays UT Dallas on Saturday. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 16, 2007, 08:58:19 AM
Ralph,
Your ideas on the East splitting off into a new conference, are these your thoughts alone or is it being discussed?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 16, 2007, 09:27:14 AM
Wow, what a game that UMHB/ETBU game would be! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 16, 2007, 09:41:15 AM
Can anyone figure our McM team?  I can't.  They are capable of moments of greatness, unequalled, I think, by anyone else in the conference -- like their 2nd half win over HPU by one point in the final seconds of that game.  But then they get cold and can't do anything.  Last night with UMHB they were totally cold the first half and eventually got themselves into a 17-point hole -- even though one of the UMHB starters was injured right at the beginning and spent the rest of the game on crutches.  Then, in the second half, they dug themselves out of their self-made hole and won in overtime.  This team seems capable of anything -- except consistency!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2007, 10:11:53 AM
Quote from: nash on February 16, 2007, 08:58:19 AM
Ralph,
Your ideas on the East splitting off into a new conference, are these your thoughts alone or is it being discussed?

Good morning, nash.  Those ideas were circulating about 6-7 years ago.  Since that time, UDallas has left;  Texas Wesleyan came from D2 thru an exploartory season and then onto the NAIA; UT-Tyler has joined and Austin College has left.

I have kept up with the changes in conferences around the country.  The Northern Athletics Conference has consolidated from the Lake Michigan and the Northern Illinois Iowa Conferences.  The MAC Commonwealth and the MAC Freedom are scrambling to keep their AQ's as members jump between conferences in that part of the country as the Landmark Conference is taking members from multiple conferences and shaking up that part of the country.

I have heard that an expert in NCAA conference formation said that we need about 9-10 schools on the east and the west to stabilize the conferences to do this.  That way, one team in a 7 or 8 team conference cannot "veto" the progress of the conference.  That is the "kicker" in this situation.  This split could happen with 2 groups of very stable institutions.  Do we have that?

Getting someone in from the NAIA would be a 5-6 year proposition.  It also takes 4-5 years for a school to move from D2 or D1.  This is a long propostion and it will take strong consistent leadership from the presidents and the commissioner to do this.

I think that this furthers the student-athlete model that all 15 schools in the ASC have identified and adopted.  I think that the ASC-West is sufficiently stable.  (I would gladly take 1-2 more private schools who might want to join us from this part of the country...there aren't just any.)  I believe that there is greater room for growth and stability in the East.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 17, 2007, 05:16:09 PM
Here is the tourney bracket

UMHB
vs
ETBU

UTD
vs
McM

Ozarks
vs
HPU

HSU
vs
MC
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2007, 12:27:55 AM
Seth, you said it.  "Defense wins Championships."

Today McM's Maigen Sawyer held Concordia's Kassandra Bills to 1 of 16 FG's.  Lanean Harris for CUA is in only in double figures at 10 points because she went 6-12 at the charity stripe.  Otherwise, she was 2-9 on FG's.  CUA was only 5 of 27 in the second half on FG's, 18%.  :o

Maigen Sawyer held Meia Daniels scoreless and does a 1 for 16 on Bills.  That is championship defense!  I think I finally realize that Coaches Nichols and Densman have found this team's strength to be defense.  That is fine with me.

I like where LIB is!  Let's go!

Any predictions on the attendance at the HPU-HSU women's game?  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2007, 02:30:36 AM
Ralph

I do believe defense wins championships, but it has to be team defense. Funny how Maigen Sawyer held Meia scoreless in Brownwood, but HPU still won the game. One great defender doesn't win a championship. HPU's foundation is team defense and has played championship defense every game of the season, take away the second half of the McM game in Abilene. I think the attendance for the HPU-HSU game, if both teams win, could be around 3,000.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 18, 2007, 03:31:27 PM
Good luck to everyone who made the dance. :)

If someone from the East wins the tourney, what are the odds that the three ranked teams from the West still make it?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 18, 2007, 03:34:40 PM
So far, the point differentials I've noted at various times on this board have been accurate predictors of game outcomes.  Early in the season, I noted that HPU was outscoring McM and HSU against common opponents by a factor of 2 or 3 to 1.  HPU ended up winning the West division.  So, time for another prediction: HSU beats HPU on Saturday (assuming both win their Friday games).  Reason: the point spreads indicate that HPU no longer has the crushing advantage that it had at the start of the season.  The winning margins from the last 4 games:
HPU CUA +31    HSU CUA +40
HPU UMHB +7   HSU UMHB +28
HPU SU +61      HSU SU +31
HPU TLU +47    HSU TLU +53
HPU outscored HSU only against Schreiner.  These are not the point spreads that HPU enjoyed several months ago.  Of course, HPU will have home court advantage, but that may not be enough to make up for the falling point spreads.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 18, 2007, 04:49:32 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on February 18, 2007, 03:31:27 PM
Good luck to everyone who made the dance. :)

If someone from the East wins the tourney, what are the odds that the three ranked teams from the West still make it?

On paper, IMHO, ETBU's got the best chance in the East, but barring an upset, the Tigers may have to play McMurry and HSU back to back. After what the Tigers almost did to the Cowgirls last season, I'd be surprised if Melissa Contrucci & Co. allowed history to repeat itself.

If the three ranked teams make it past the first round, I think all three make it. :) ;) :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2007, 06:03:18 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 18, 2007, 03:34:40 PM
So far, the point differentials I've noted at various times on this board have been accurate predictors of game outcomes.  Early in the season, I noted that HPU was outscoring McM and HSU against common opponents by a factor of 2 or 3 to 1.  HPU ended up winning the West division.  So, time for another prediction: HSU beats HPU on Saturday (assuming both win their Friday games).  Reason: the point spreads indicate that HPU no longer has the crushing advantage that it had at the start of the season.  The winning margins from the last 4 games:
HPU CUA +31    HSU CUA +40
HPU UMHB +7   HSU UMHB +28
HPU SU +61      HSU SU +31
HPU TLU +47    HSU TLU +53
HPU outscored HSU only against Schreiner.  These are not the point spreads that HPU enjoyed several months ago.  Of course, HPU will have home court advantage, but that may not be enough to make up for the falling point spreads.

I think that half of the advantage for HSU is that McMurry is the travel partner.  How much did McMurry take out of UMHB this last week?

As SRSU women are currently playing (and building their program), the only thing that hinders the HPU side of the road trip is the long bus ride.

I like where LIB is now.  I really like our chances!  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2007, 06:07:39 PM
Good news for the South Region Rankings for McMurry and HPU...

Oglethrope just got "monkey-stomped"  (as they say on the Liberty League board) by DePauw, 95-58 (http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=11952&scoreboard).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 18, 2007, 06:41:32 PM
Go purple and gold.   
HSU is in the same place they were last year.  They were not ready.  Things could be different  this year.   5 seniors have to step up.  They may.  As far as beating HPU well,  if you look at the two games they have the best two games aganist them.  I would feel better if they were not playing  in Brownwood.   I give the jackets credit for meeting all the challenges this year.  ( I don't think a one point loss means anything.)     If anyone can beat then  the Cowgirls are the one.  McM will not win the tournament and will not play more than one game in the national tournament.  They are a good team but they aren't a great team.  HPU has the best team and HSU has the best tradition.   Last years tournament was won by MCM because they had the best team.   In a conference tournament the best team usually wins.  They doesn't matter in the big dance as much because of the great pressure of the event.  Don't get mad it is just a opinion.   Make your own prediction.  We will see who is right in a week.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 18, 2007, 06:51:45 PM
Oh I forgot.   Ralph I really don't disagree with you often but you made a statement about how HSU got the advantage of having MCM as a travel partner and that helped them.  That goes both ways.  Did my well informed friend forget they both weeks HSU played HPU first.  Who is to say if it had be the other way around that the Cowgirls could not have done better.  It is all second guessing, but I couldn't let you get away without saying something.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2007, 07:48:20 PM
Calhsu, I am sorry that I did not clarify my point.  My comment was directed towards this specific comparison. 

QuoteHPU CUA +31    HSU CUA +40
HPU UMHB +7   HSU UMHB +28
HPU SU +61      HSU SU +31
HPU TLU +47    HSU TLU +53

As far as McM and HSU being travel partners, I love it now that HSU is stronger in men's basketball, and having an even more competitive McM women's works the same way.   The Trip to Abilene is now probably the toughest competition in the conference.

I strongly concur with your assessment.  I think our women did benefit from HPU playing HSU first and we almost benefitted again on Saturday when the Cowboys almost knocked off UMHB which would have given us the #1 seed.  I think that we took a lot out of UMHB on Thursday and the Cowboys almost pulled it off on Saturday. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2007, 09:06:47 PM
Quote from: calhsu on February 18, 2007, 06:41:32 PM
Go purple and gold.   
... McM ...  will not play more than one game in the national tournament.  ...   

I can believe that happening, when the #3 team in the country hosts the #9 team in the country in the first round at their place.  :-\

I am looking forward to the next two weeks! :)

Unless Trinity earns the SCAC Pool A bid, someone needs to be flown into the site of the Sub-Regionals, or if we end up with four teams in the tourney, a real outside chance...


ETBU or UMHB win

McM wins
============
HSU wins

HPU wins



UMHB or ETBU wins
==========
HSU wins



UMHB or ETBU wins,

especially if Oglethorpe tanks early, and there are no upsets in the USAC, the ODAC and the GSAC.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2007, 10:44:31 PM
I posted this on the men's side and have adapted it to the women's region's as well.

Coaches and AD's are beginning look at their 2007-08 schedules.  When the coaches meet, I hope that they will cut the mandatory number of inter-divisional games to 4-6 (18 total ASC games) to allow the schools to schedule someSouth Region opponents for the sake of boosting our QOWI.

We beat ourselves up when we should be adding 3-4 games against teams in other conferences that we can beat and get QOWI points.

I also hope that the couaches will vote to only count in-region games towards the division standings. Keep the inter-divisional games, because they help with the NCAA Criteria, but I believe that a coach should have about 10 games to put his team together.  Going 1-6 against the East or 1-7 against the West will knock you out of contention and how do you keep your players in it.  Also, it is not equitable to catch Miss Coll on the road and you opponent caught them at home at the end of a long road trip.  The South Region aspect is good, but let's cut the division counting games to the double round-robin.  (I am scared to think what chaos we would have had if McMurry and Ozarks men had not been allowed to reschedule that game.)

IMHO, we had only 2 noteworthy games from the national perspective for the men.  McMurry versus UW-Stout was a good game.  the WIAC is respected.  Scheduling Trinity, Austin College and Southwestern are good, as are Hendrix and Millsaps.  If you can get a game with UDallas, Oglethorpe, Piedmont or Maryville TN, good. McMurry picked up an in-region win versus Guilford.  No other game earned us any respect nationally.

MIssissippi College beat a very good NAIA-1 team Westmont.  That may be the only NAIA team that can do that because the Calvin's and the Hope's get no repsect for beating the Michigan NAIA's.

The second game was UMHB over defending champion and fellow south Region Member Virginia Wesleyan.  Thanks to UMHB for bringing them her and thanks for HSU for joining in.

I will recommend that schools consider playing as many D3 Soouth Region schools as possible.  (I can understand geography, and a Wylie-ETBU game once or a D1 money game.)  For the sake of the conference the only opponents that d3 cares about are these.  Here are the teams that count for the 12 Texas schools:

South Region:

Agnes Scott Scotties  GSAC  Decatur, GA 
Austin Kangaroos  SCAC  Sherman, TX 
Averett Cougars  USAC  Danville, VA 
Bridgewater (Va.) Eagles  ODAC  Bridgewater, VA 
Centre Colonels  SCAC  Danville, KY 
Christopher Newport Captains  USAC  Newport News, VA 
Concordia-Austin Tornados  ASC  Austin, TX 
East Texas Baptist Tigers  ASC  Marshall, TX 
Eastern Mennonite Royals  ODAC  Harrisonburg, VA 
Emory Eagles  UAA  Atlanta, GA 
Emory and Henry Wasps  ODAC  Emory, VA 
Ferrum Panthers  USAC  Ferrum, VA 
Fisk Bulldogs  IND  Nashville, TN 
Greensboro Pride  USAC  Greensboro, NC 
Guilford Quakers  ODAC  Greensboro, NC 
Hardin-Simmons Cowboys/Cowgirls  ASC  Abilene, TX 
Hendrix Warriors  SCAC  Conway, AR 
Hollins No Nickname  ODAC  Roanoke, VA 
Howard Payne Yellow Jackets  ASC  Brownwood, TX 
Huntingdon Hawks  GSAC  Montgomery, AL 
LaGrange Panthers  GSAC  LaGrange, GA 
LeTourneau Yellow Jackets  ASC  Longview, TX 
Louisiana College Wildcats  ASC  Pineville, LA 
Lynchburg Hornets  ODAC  Lynchburg, VA 
Mary Baldwin Squirrels  AWCC  Staunton, VA 
Mary Hardin-Baylor Crusaders  ASC  Belton, TX 
Maryville (Tenn.) Scots  GSAC  Maryville, TN 
McMurry Indians  ASC  Abilene, TX 
Meredith Angels  IND  Raleigh, NC 
Methodist Monarchs  USAC  Fayetteville, NC 
Millsaps Majors  SCAC  Jackson, MS 
Mississippi College Choctaws  ASC  Clinton, MS 
North Carolina Wesleyan Bishops  USAC  Rocky Mount, NC 
Oglethorpe Petrels  SCAC  Atlanta, GA 
Peace Pacers  USAC  Raleigh, NC 
Piedmont Lions  GSAC  Demorest, GA 
Randolph-Macon Yellow Jackets  ODAC  Ashland, VA 
Randolph-Macon Woman's Wildcats  ODAC  Lynchburg, VA 
Rhodes Lynx  SCAC  Memphis, TN 
Roanoke Maroons  ODAC  Salem, VA 
Rust Bearcats  IND  Holly Springs, MS 
Salem Spirits *  IND  Winston-Salem, NC 
Schreiner Mountaineers  ASC  Kerrville, TX 
Sewanee Tigers  SCAC  Sewanee, TN 
Shenandoah Hornets  USAC  Winchester, VA 
Southwestern Pirates  SCAC  Georgetown, TX 
Spelman Jaguars  GSAC  Atlanta, GA 
Sul Ross State Lobos  ASC  Alpine, TX 
Texas Lutheran Bulldogs  ASC  Seguin, TX 
Texas-Dallas Comets  ASC  Richardson, TX 
Texas-Tyler Patriots   ASC  Tyler, TX 
Trinity (Texas) Tigers  SCAC  San Antonio, TX 
University of Dallas Crusaders  IND  Dallas, TX 
University of the Ozarks Eagles  ASC  Clarksville, AR 
Virginia Wesleyan Marlins  ODAC  Norfolk, VA 
Washington and Lee Generals  ODAC  Lexington, VA 
Wesleyan (Ga.) Pioneers  GSAC  Macon, GA

Geographic Region #4  West Region opponents

Augsburg Auggies  MIAC  Minneapolis, MN 
Bethany Lutheran Vikings *  UMAC  Mankato, MN 
Bethel Royals  MIAC  Arden Hills, MN 
Buena Vista Beavers  IIAC  Storm Lake, IA 
Cal Lutheran Kingsmen/Regals  SCIAC  Thousand Oaks, CA 
Caltech Beavers  SCIAC  Pasadena, CA 
Carleton Knights  MIAC  Northfield, MN 
Central Dutch  IIAC  Pella, IA 
Chapman Panthers  IND  Orange, CA 
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps Stags  SCIAC  Claremont, CA 
Coe Kohawks  IIAC  Cedar Rapids, IA 
Colorado College Tigers  IND  Colorado Springs, CO 
Concordia-Moorhead Cobbers  MIAC  Moorhead, MN 
Cornell Rams  IIAC  Mount Vernon, IA 
Crown Storm *  UMAC  St. Bonifacius, MN 
Dubuque Spartans  IIAC  Dubuque, IA 
George Fox Bruins  NWC  Newberg, OR 
Gustavus Adolphus Gusties  MIAC  St. Peter, MN 
Hamline Pipers  MIAC  St. Paul, MN 
La Sierra Golden Eagles *  IND  Riverside, CA 
La Verne Leopards  SCIAC  La Verne, CA 
Lewis and Clark Pioneers  NWC  Portland, OR 
Linfield Wildcats  NWC  McMinnville, OR 
Loras Duhawks  IIAC  Dubuque, IA 
Luther Norse  IIAC  Decorah, IA 
Macalester Scots  MIAC  St. Paul, MN 
Martin Luther Knights  UMAC  New Ulm, MN 
Minnesota-Morris Cougars *  UMAC  Morris, MN 
Nebraska Wesleyan Prairie Wolves  IND  Lincoln, NE 
North Central (Minn.) Rams *  IND  Minneapolis, MN 
Northwestern (Minn.) Eagles *  UMAC  St. Paul, MN 
Occidental Tigers  SCIAC  Los Angeles, CA 
Pacific Boxers  NWC  Forest Grove, OR 
Pacific Lutheran Lutes  NWC  Tacoma, WA 
Pomona-Pitzer Sagehens  SCIAC  Claremont, CA 
Presentation Saints *  UMAC  Aberdeen, SD 
Puget Sound Loggers  NWC  Tacoma, WA 
Redlands Bulldogs  SCIAC  Redlands, CA 
Simpson Storm  IIAC  Indianola, IA 
St. Benedict Blazers  MIAC  St. Joseph's, MN 
St. Catherine's Wildcats  MIAC  St. Paul, MN 
St. Mary's (Minn.) Cardinals  MIAC  Winona, MN 
St. Olaf Oles  MIAC  Northfield, MN 
St. Scholastica Saints  UMAC  Duluth, MN 
St. Thomas Tommies  MIAC  St. Paul, MN 
UC Santa Cruz Banana Slugs  IND  Santa Cruz, CA 
Wartburg Knights  IIAC  Waverly, IA 
Whitman Missionaries  NWC  Walla Walla, WA 
Whittier Poets  SCIAC  Whittier, CA 
Whitworth Pirates  NWC  Spokane, WA 
Willamette Bearcats  NWC  Salem, OR 


Geographic Region #4 Central Opponents

Alverno Inferno  NATHC  Milwaukee, WI 
Augustana Vikings  CCIW  Rock Island, IL 
Aurora Spartans  NATHC  Aurora, IL 
Beloit Buccaneers  MWC  Beloit, WI 
Benedictine Eagles  NATHC  Lisle, IL 
Blackburn Beavers  SLIAC  Carlinville, IL 
Carroll Pioneers  MWC  Waukesha, WI 
Carthage Red Men/Lady Reds  CCIW  Kenosha, WI 
Chicago Maroons  UAA  Chicago, IL 
Clarke Crusaders  IND  Dubuque, IA 
Concordia (Ill.) Cougars  NATHC  River Forest, IL 
Concordia (Wis.) Falcons  NATHC  Mequon, WI 
Dominican Stars  NATHC  River Forest, IL 
Edgewood Eagles  NATHC  Madison, WI 
Elmhurst Bluejays  CCIW  Elmhurst, IL 
Eureka Red Devils  SLIAC  Eureka, IL 
Finlandia Lions *  IND  Hancock, MI 
Fontbonne Griffins  SLIAC  St. Louis, MO 
Greenville Panthers  SLIAC  Greenville, IL 
Grinnell Pioneers  MWC  Grinnell, IA 
Illinois College Blue Boys/Lady Blues  MWC  Jacksonville, IL 
Illinois Wesleyan Titans  CCIW  Bloomington, IL 
Knox Prairie Fire  MWC  Galesburg, IL 
Lake Forest Foresters  MWC  Lake Forest, IL 
Lakeland Muskies  NATHC  Sheboygan, WI 
Lawrence Vikings  MWC  Appleton, WI 
Lincoln Christian Preachers/Angels *  SLIAC  Lincoln, IL 
MacMurray Highlanders  SLIAC  Jacksonville, IL 
Maranatha Baptist Crusaders  NATHC  Watertown, WI 
Marian Sabres  NATHC  Fond du Lac, WI 
Maryville (Mo.) Saints  SLIAC  Saint Louis, MO 
Millikin Big Blue  CCIW  Decatur, IL 
Milwaukee Engineering Raiders  IND  Milwaukee, WI 
Monmouth Scots  MWC  Monmouth, IL 
Mount Mary Blue Angels *  IND  Milwaukee, WI 
North Central Cardinals  CCIW  Naperville, IL 
North Park Vikings  CCIW  Chicago, IL 
Northland Jacks  UMAC  Ashland, WI 
Principia Panthers  SLIAC  Elsah, IL 
Ripon Red Hawks  MWC  Ripon, WI 
Rockford Regents  NATHC  Rockford, IL 
St. Norbert Green Knights  MWC  De Pere, WI 
UW-Eau Claire Blugolds  WIAC  Eau Claire, WI 
UW-La Crosse Eagles  WIAC  La Crosse, WI 
UW-Oshkosh Titans  WIAC  Oshkosh, WI 
UW-Platteville Pioneers  WIAC  Platteville, WI 
UW-River Falls Falcons  WIAC  River Falls, WI 
UW-Stevens Point Pointers  WIAC  Stevens Point, WI 
UW-Stout Blue Devils  WIAC  Menomonie, WI 
UW-Superior Yellow Jackets  WIAC  Superior, WI 
UW-Whitewater Warhawks  WIAC  Whitewater, WI 
Washington U. Bears  UAA  Saint Louis, MO 
Webster Gorloks  SLIAC  St. Louis, MO 
Westminster (Mo.) Blue Jays  SLIAC  Fulton, MO 
Wheaton (Ill.) Thunder  CCIW  Wheaton, IL 
Wisconsin Lutheran Warriors  NATHC  Milwaukee, WI 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2007, 10:50:46 PM
For the States in Geographic Region #3 (AR, LA and MS)

South Region Opponents:

Agnes Scott Scotties  GSAC  Decatur, GA 
Austin Kangaroos  SCAC  Sherman, TX 
Averett Cougars  USAC  Danville, VA 
Bridgewater (Va.) Eagles  ODAC  Bridgewater, VA 
Centre Colonels  SCAC  Danville, KY 
Christopher Newport Captains  USAC  Newport News, VA 
Concordia-Austin Tornados  ASC  Austin, TX 
East Texas Baptist Tigers  ASC  Marshall, TX 
Eastern Mennonite Royals  ODAC  Harrisonburg, VA 
Emory Eagles  UAA  Atlanta, GA 
Emory and Henry Wasps  ODAC  Emory, VA 
Ferrum Panthers  USAC  Ferrum, VA 
Fisk Bulldogs  IND  Nashville, TN 
Greensboro Pride  USAC  Greensboro, NC 
Guilford Quakers  ODAC  Greensboro, NC 
Hardin-Simmons Cowboys/Cowgirls  ASC  Abilene, TX 
Hendrix Warriors  SCAC  Conway, AR 
Hollins No Nickname  ODAC  Roanoke, VA 
Howard Payne Yellow Jackets  ASC  Brownwood, TX 
Huntingdon Hawks  GSAC  Montgomery, AL 
LaGrange Panthers  GSAC  LaGrange, GA 
LeTourneau Yellow Jackets  ASC  Longview, TX 
Louisiana College Wildcats  ASC  Pineville, LA 
Lynchburg Hornets  ODAC  Lynchburg, VA 
Mary Baldwin Squirrels  AWCC  Staunton, VA 
Mary Hardin-Baylor Crusaders  ASC  Belton, TX 
Maryville (Tenn.) Scots  GSAC  Maryville, TN 
McMurry  ASC  Abilene, TX 
Meredith Angels  IND  Raleigh, NC 
Methodist Monarchs  USAC  Fayetteville, NC 
Millsaps Majors  SCAC  Jackson, MS 
Mississippi College Choctaws  ASC  Clinton, MS 
North Carolina Wesleyan Bishops  USAC  Rocky Mount, NC 
Oglethorpe Petrels  SCAC  Atlanta, GA 
Peace Pacers  USAC  Raleigh, NC 
Piedmont Lions  GSAC  Demorest, GA 
Randolph-Macon Yellow Jackets  ODAC  Ashland, VA 
Randolph-Macon Woman's Wildcats  ODAC  Lynchburg, VA 
Rhodes Lynx  SCAC  Memphis, TN 
Roanoke Maroons  ODAC  Salem, VA 
Rust Bearcats  IND  Holly Springs, MS 
Salem Spirits *  IND  Winston-Salem, NC 
Schreiner Mountaineers  ASC  Kerrville, TX 
Sewanee Tigers  SCAC  Sewanee, TN 
Shenandoah Hornets  USAC  Winchester, VA 
Southwestern Pirates  SCAC  Georgetown, TX 
Spelman Jaguars  GSAC  Atlanta, GA 
Sul Ross State Lobos  ASC  Alpine, TX 
Texas Lutheran Bulldogs  ASC  Seguin, TX 
Texas-Dallas Comets  ASC  Richardson, TX 
Texas-Tyler Patriots  ASC  Tyler, TX 
Trinity (Texas) Tigers  SCAC  San Antonio, TX 
University of Dallas Crusaders  IND  Dallas, TX 
University of the Ozarks Eagles  ASC  Clarksville, AR 
Virginia Wesleyan Marlins  ODAC  Norfolk, VA 
Washington and Lee Generals  ODAC  Lexington, VA 
Wesleyan (Ga.) Pioneers  GSAC  Macon, GA 

Geographic Region #3 Opponents (Great Lakes Region)

Adrian Bulldogs  MIAA  Adrian, MI 
Albion Britons  MIAA  Albion, MI 

Alma Scots  MIAA  Alma, MI 
Anderson Ravens  HCAC  Anderson, IN 
Baldwin-Wallace Yellow Jackets  OAC  Berea, OH 
Bethany Bison  PrAC  Bethany, WV 
Bluffton Beavers  HCAC  Bluffton, OH 
Calvin Knights  MIAA  Grand Rapids, MI 
Capital Crusaders  OAC  Columbus, OH 

Case Western Reserve Spartans  UAA  Cleveland, OH 

Defiance Yellow Jackets  HCAC  Defiance, OH 
Denison Big Red  NCAC  Granville, OH 
DePauw Tigers  SCAC  Greencastle, IN 
Earlham Quakers  NCAC  Richmond, IN 
Franklin Grizzlies  HCAC  Franklin, IN 

Hanover Panthers  HCAC  Hanover, IN 
Heidelberg Student Princes  OAC  Tiffin, OH 
Hiram Terriers  NCAC  Hiram, OH 
Hope Flying Dutchmen  MIAA  Holland, MI 
John Carroll Blue Streaks  OAC  University Heights, OH 
Kalamazoo Hornets  MIAA  Kalamazoo, MI 
Kenyon Lords  NCAC  Gambier, OH 

Lake Erie Storm  AMCC  Painesville, OH 
Manchester Spartans  HCAC  North Manchester, IN 
Marietta Pioneers  OAC  Marietta, OH 

Mount Union Purple Raiders  OAC  Alliance, OH 
Mt. St. Joseph Lions  HCAC  Cincinnati, OH 
Muskingum Muskies  OAC  New Concord, OH 
Oberlin Yeomen  NCAC  Oberlin, OH 
Ohio Northern Polar Bears  OAC  Ada, OH 
Ohio Wesleyan Battling Bishops  NCAC  Delaware, OH 
Olivet Comets  MIAA  Olivet, MI 
Otterbein Cardinals  OAC  Westerville, OH 

Rose-Hulman Engineers  HCAC  Terre Haute, IN 
St. Mary's (Ind.) Belles  MIAA  Notre Dame, IN 

Thomas More Saints  PrAC  Crestview Hills, KY 
Transylvania Pioneers  HCAC  Lexington, KY 
Tri-State Thunder   MIAA  Angola, IN 

Wilmington Quakers  OAC  Wilmington, OH 
Wittenberg Tigers  NCAC  Springfield, OH 
Wooster Scots  NCAC  Wooster, OH 

Geographic Region #3 (Atlantic Opponents)

Mary Washington Eagles  CAC  Fredericksburg, VA 
Marymount Saints  CAC  Arlington, VA 


Thanks and I hope this helps.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bench Coach on February 19, 2007, 11:09:09 AM
Calhsu- What is so different with the McM team this year that doesn't make them the best team?  They only lost one Sr., and I don't think that losing the other players have been that much of a factor.  They have a great class of freshmen, if used right off the bench, they can and I think are the best team.  You said winning by one point doesn't mean anything, a WIN is a WIN regardless of score, it gives them a mark in the loss column.  I believe that the LIB can be the best team if the subs are subed right, and he keeps the right starters in. 

LET'S GO LIB!!!  GOOD LUCK IN BWOOD!!!  BRING HOME THE CHAMPIONSHIP, AGAIN!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 19, 2007, 11:16:16 AM
Bench Coach, sorry I am going to have to disagree with you.  Losing the senior post Engelke and other players (namely Venekamp who was a great outside shooter) are HUGE losses to a team.  From what I see their new players haven't contributed much  and they are relying heavily on a few players.  Engelke was a great rebounder and had a great touch around the basket and there hasn't been anybody that has taken that role and without Venekamp out on the floor, Sawyer isn't going to get as many looks and is having to force shots.  There is no way they are at the same level they were last year!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 19, 2007, 11:44:32 AM
Engleke contributed something else to the team, which I don't think she often got credit for: she was a real stabilizer.  When the team got behind, she would come in and just play solidly, rarely turning over the ball and usually hitting the baskets she went after.  I think her presence helped focus the other team members when they were cold, since she was so consistent.  And, yes, Venekamp was a serious outside threat since she was bigger and taller than the 3-point shooters we have now (like Lewis).  They are both missed.  The new players have to work harder to grow into their shoes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 19, 2007, 12:09:10 PM
good point on Engleke, mcmfan.  I definatly agree she helped keep that team focused and calm in stressful situations.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 19, 2007, 12:35:49 PM
I disagree, thundercat, though it is hard to replace senior experience like we had in Carli, Allie and Jabri have done very well especially in rebounding and Allie is scoring well. And Sandra Lewis is an excellent 3 pt shooter and can play good defense as well.  And I agree with Bench Coach..a 1 point win is as good as a 30 point win, especially this time of the year. Lose and go home. You only have to win by one at this time of the year. I believe in this LIB team, and they are the defending conference champs. I believe Symbri will lead this team to another championship!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 19, 2007, 01:40:46 PM
All of you that go to the games and know the wonderful ladies get all caught up in them personally.  The fact that the best I can do is listen to some of the games on line means I have nothing personally involved in what I say.  The reason I said MCM is not as good as last year is for one reason only.  They have not won like they did last year.  All three top teams lost very little from last year to this.  It is HPU that stepped up their game,  which I only say because they have won.  (boy I really hate being a HPU apoligist.)     :P :P :P 
Remember I said don't get upset because I stated an opinion.  Give your own.  Ralph has only said that he likes MCM chances.    If I was in the shoes of HPU fans I would easily say we are going to win this weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 19, 2007, 02:00:07 PM
HPU CUA +31    HSU CUA +40         McM CUA +22
HPU UMHB +7   HSU UMHB +28       McM UMHB +8
HPU SU +61      HSU SU +31           McM SU +26
HPU TLU +47    HSU TLU +53          McM TLU +27

calhsu:
By the numbers, I'd say HSU is going to win.  I've added McM's point spreads for the four schools I compared earlier.  Which team is winning by the highest margin on most of the games?  As a McM fan, I don't like the numbers, and obviously it's the job of the coaches and players to figure out how to turn them around at game time.  But that's the number count as it stands now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 19, 2007, 02:14:16 PM
I have a real hard time looking at the point spread of three teams that aren't even in the conference tournament. UMHB is good to look at, but remember HPU played @ UMHB with the numbers given.The UMHB game were in Abilene for McM and HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: watrboy on February 19, 2007, 06:49:03 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 19, 2007, 11:44:32 AM
Engleke contributed something else to the team, which I don't think she often got credit for: she was a real stabilizer.  When the team got behind, she would come in and just play solidly, rarely turning over the ball and usually hitting the baskets she went after.  I think her presence helped focus the other team members when they were cold, since she was so consistent.  And, yes, Venekamp was a serious outside threat since she was bigger and taller than the 3-point shooters we have now (like Lewis).  They are both missed.  The new players have to work harder to grow into their shoes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU75 on February 19, 2007, 08:42:28 PM
Calhsu:

Thank you for being an HPU apologist.  I agree that MCM is not as good as last year despite their record, and their win over HPU. Yes, we lost to them in Abilene but we have led them 70+ of the 80 minutes so far.

Also, I do not think the margin of victory is necesarily the only answer.  That is just as true now as it was earlier when HPU had MUCH larger margins against MANY teams.

As I have said several times earlier, and having seen all 4 top West teams in person 2 to 7 times each, there is no question in my mind that the strength of teams right now is HPU-1, HSU-2, MCM-3 and UMHB-4.

I am much more worried about beating a quality team like HSU 3 times in a few weeks than any worry about margins of victory.  That will definitely be a tough semi game for HPU.  I certainly would not complain if somehow MC could upset HSU in the first round.  Quite unlikely, but you can hope.

Playing at home should certainly help, especially if HPU can get some big crowds out, but in one game anything can happen at least among the top 4-5 teams in Brownwood.

GO LADY JACKETS!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 19, 2007, 09:55:05 PM
I believe in my team, and everyone is 0-0 to begin the weekend. I believe everytime they step on the court they will be the winners. That's what makes me a fan. And no matter what happens I will still love them for who they are. Personal? You bet, I don't have to be logical, I am all about the emotion...........so you men out there can be as logical as you want, I don't care. But, I have a comment about having the tournament in Brownwood. The last game we played there, I did manage to find the restrooms, thank you very much...BUT when I went there during the second game, there was NO paper and only one lavatory was working!!! I think it is important to make a very good impression on all the teams and fans, no matter who is hosting. Dballa, I expect you to make sure all the necessary needs are met!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 19, 2007, 10:59:35 PM
www.justtoiletpaper.com

fanstand go ahead and go to that link pick out the one you want and i'll make sure it's there for you and nobody else will touch it :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 19, 2007, 11:13:28 PM
It's going to take a lot of depth for someone to win the conference tournament this year.  ETBU has a good team but I don't think they have the depth to win it all.  McMurry's starters are good but coming off the bench they just aren't that strong or at least just haven't shown game after game that they can win 3 straight days.

HSU and HPU seem to have the most depth of anybody in the conference.  Assuming both of those teams make it to the 2nd round, it will be one of those that wins it all. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU75 on February 19, 2007, 11:44:38 PM
3 games in really 48 hours or less is tough on any team.  I agree, dballa, that from what I have seen HPU and HSU have the most depth and that should be very beneficial this weekend.  We will all see shortly!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 20, 2007, 01:07:41 AM
I'll take a "two the rescue" so no one runs out.  Unless maybe we can customize one? Probably not enough time huh? :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bench Coach on February 20, 2007, 10:34:06 AM
I am going to be honest as to what I think about Mcm and their bench.  Honesty is the best policy, right!  I think that Coach N. doesn't utilize his bench right.  I also believe that without Williams there on the bench you are losing a lot of your outside shot.  I believe that LIB has the talent to win the tournament, but the coach has to use it in the right ways.  That is just what I think, my opinion and if it offends anyone, sorry!   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 20, 2007, 11:43:30 AM
McMurry's chances are good since they've got the best point guard in the league in Symbri Tuttle. She makes good decisions, doesn't turn it over, and sets up her teammates better than any I've seen (granted, I haven't seen them all) this season. Having a lights-out point guard to run your team is priceless.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 20, 2007, 11:56:03 AM
Quote from: HPU75 on February 19, 2007, 11:44:38 PM
3 games in really 48 hours or less is tough on any team. 

I like HSU's chances given it is easier to win one of three than three of three. 
I like HPU's chances because they have shown they are, without question, the team to beat.  It is theirs to lose.
I like HPU's chances given they are playing in Browntown.  That gym . . . well, we all know what it is like.
I like HPU's chances because of the toilet paper controversy brewing.  Opposing fans will be stranded away from the action.

I would say HPU is a three-to-one favorite to be crowned ASC champs. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 20, 2007, 12:14:28 PM
No controversy, I'm just trying to help promote the tourney from the West side.  You've got 8 teams of girls coming, TP is important.  I'm picking LIB because I love them and because none of you guys are giving us a chance.  And they are a great team with two All American candidates and we are the defending champs.    Fire up ladies.....make em eat crow!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: FrmrHSUer on February 20, 2007, 12:21:05 PM
Quote from: fanstand on February 19, 2007, 09:55:05 PM
I believe in my team, and everyone is 0-0 to begin the weekend.

So very true. I will be in b'wood this friday night at 8pm cheering for my cowgirls. hopefully we can get another deep run into the tourney, i just hope this time we take the conference championship with us.

Quote from: inthepaint on February 20, 2007, 11:56:03 AM
Quote from: HPU75 on February 19, 2007, 11:44:38 PM
3 games in really 48 hours or less is tough on any team. 

I like HSU's chances given it is easier to win one of three than three of three. 
I like HPU's chances because they have shown they are, without question, the team to beat.  It is theirs to lose.
I like HPU's chances given they are playing in Browntown.  That gym . . . well, we all know what it is like.
I like HPU's chances because of the toilet paper controversy brewing.  Opposing fans will be stranded away from the action.

I would say HPU is a three-to-one favorite to be crowned ASC champs. 

Inthepaint makes some good points here, but i got this gut feeling that the bench of HSU is going to be strong and be the difference. Whether is be Hodges, Cisneros, Singletary, i could go on and name the whole bench, these girls are strong and the depth for HSU is remarkable

Good Luck to all teams and safe travel.

GO COWGIRLS!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 20, 2007, 12:23:46 PM
http://www.brownwoodbulletin.com/asc/

The Brownwood Bulletin is putting out a tournament guide online with some interesting stuff on it as well as directions.  They are still working on it but should be completed soon.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: FrmrHSUer on February 20, 2007, 12:30:09 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 20, 2007, 12:23:46 PM
http://www.brownwoodbulletin.com/asc/

Nice site. Would anyone happen to know the price of admission?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 20, 2007, 12:34:21 PM
It's $6 for adults and $3 for students/children.  You can also go to www.hputx.edu and go to the athletic webpage for other information on the tournament.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2007, 04:31:43 PM
Quote from: Bench Coach on February 20, 2007, 10:34:06 AM
I am going to be honest as to what I think about Mcm and their bench.  Honesty is the best policy, right!  I think that Coach N. doesn't utilize his bench right.  I also believe that without Williams there on the bench you are losing a lot of your outside shot.  I believe that LIB has the talent to win the tournament, but the coach has to use it in the right ways.  That is just what I think, my opinion and if it offends anyone, sorry!   :)
Bench Coach, aka hoosier_btown  @  yahoo.com, your opinion doesn't offend me.  I just wish I knew your name and who you are.    :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 20, 2007, 04:36:30 PM
Wow, that is a nice site by the Bulletin.  Must admit I am a little surprised but I am sure those making the trip will find it very useful!  I can't wait for the weekend.  I am sneaking out of work early on friday so I can make it to the 6:00 game (hopefully getting there shortly after 5 to claim a seat by the court)!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 20, 2007, 05:39:59 PM
Quote from: HSUats on February 20, 2007, 12:21:05 PMInthepaint makes some good points here,

That, HSUats, is most definitely a first!   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 20, 2007, 11:50:56 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 20, 2007, 12:23:46 PM
http://www.brownwoodbulletin.com/asc/


That is a great site especially made up so quickly.  Everything is spelled correctly, so HPU's SID must not have anything to do with it.  OOps, did I say that out loud?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 21, 2007, 12:08:32 AM
fanstand you may have to order up a little bit more TP, MCM93 seems to be TRYING to talk S***. 

At least the HPU website gets updated as soon as the games are over and not days after like some others in this conference.  People don't have to wait to see a boxscore or read the school's story about the game. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 21, 2007, 01:04:49 AM
Wow McM93 instead of actually having an intelligent discussion about basketball you decide to talk trash about somebody who isn't even involved with the outcomes of the game. Real mature.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 21, 2007, 08:18:10 AM
All I am saying is when I go to HPU's website to read about the Lady Jackets, I have a hard time reading it when so many words are spelled incorrectly.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bench Coach on February 21, 2007, 09:05:02 AM
Ralph - I am just a fan of the game and enjoy watching a little bit of good bball. 

dballa - don't get so offended, McM93 was just pointing out that there are a few typos on the web page.  Don't worry, it happens to everyone.

LET'S GO LIB!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 21, 2007, 09:33:45 AM
Pointing out mistakes is fine but don't say it in a way that puts down the person doing the inputting.  The SID's work long hours, most likely longer hours than anybody else and don't get paid very well to do so.  Have a little respect for those men and women who work hard to provide information to the fans of the sports.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: FrmrHSUer on February 21, 2007, 09:57:35 AM
S.I.D.'s do a great job on keeping us informed about game stats and notes. they are human being just like the rest and are capable of mistakes. Usually these people are very intelligent and are fun to hold conversations with. But it does seem that in a world of spell check, fast internet, and stats program that mistakes would be limited and postings would happen quick. Their behind the scenes work probably gets the less appreciation that is needed than any other behind the scenes people(well, except maybe the athletic trainer).

Okay, back to bball, i'm very much looking forward to this weekend! B'wood is going to be a great host.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2007, 10:36:40 AM
Quote from: Bench Coach on February 21, 2007, 09:05:02 AM
Ralph - I am just a fan of the game and enjoy watching a little bit of good bball. 

Bench Coach, I believe that an anonymous fan can join the mesage board and make the usual fan congratualtions and enjoy the casual banter.  However, I firmly believe that it is not fair for any party involved to second-guess or criticize a coach or a player under the cloak of anonymity.  That is just my style.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bench Coach on February 21, 2007, 11:21:30 AM
Ralph - I can understand what you are saying but you also have to understand a person's privacy.  There isn't anything wrong with speaking your opinion on any situation on this board and not giving a name.  This board is to talk about basketball and with that comes the coaches too.  It is a person's right to stay unknown if that is what they want.  That is my belief and one person doesn't have to give out their name or association to anything.  I have seen on here about people finding out who one is and then let the rest of the board know.  I chose to remain as no one knowing who I am.  If that upsets you I am sorry, but that is what i feel and what I am going to do.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 21, 2007, 11:40:57 AM
How about some more speculation about this weekend's games?  My point spread numbers, which I think favor HSU in the tournament, have been questioned by several posters as ignoring the intangibles of the game.  So, to keep everyone interested (or outraged?) about the teams, how about this intangible: HSU has the psychological edge because it's virtually certain they will be invited to the post season no matter how badly they do in the tournament.  Last year, with a worse regular season record than this year, and a tournament loss in the first round, they got invited.  They vindicated that invitation by making it to the final four.  So, I can't see the NCAA not inviting them this year with that record behind them.  As a result, they can play without feeling any pressure, for their future is assured.  Their opponents, by contrast, know that even if they beat them this weekend they will just have to face them again in the post season, and if they don't beat them they might not even have a post season.  So, who has the pressure on them, HSU or their opponents?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2007, 12:47:38 PM
McM fan, I don't think that HSU's reputation had any impact on last year's Pool C bid. I think that they were buoyed by the overall strength of the conference and they got the "last"  Pool C bid.

My cynical side thinks that they were a convenient "4th" to put in Abilene sub-regional...cheap bus fare to the tourney site.   :D

Remember, that defending Champion Trinity women failed to make the 2004 tourney because they did not have the numbers, and Coach Geyer chaired the committee!

Bench coach, your statement doesn't upset me.  I just think that criticizers have more credibility when they are identified.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 21, 2007, 01:08:33 PM
Just going out on a limb here, but isn't HPU virtually assured a spot as well? Same thing with McMurry, more or less. Those three ought to be in the tourney regardless of ASC Tourney outcome. Of course, whether or not they end up there is another story entirely.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 21, 2007, 01:12:06 PM
mcmfan, I don't think HSU is a lock. That doesn't mean I don't think they get in. I think the only thing that reputation gets a team is votes in a poll. Just because they have a better record than last year gives you no guarantee they will make the tournament this year. You can't look at last season to see if you will make the tournament, it changes every year. McM and HPU I think are both locks to get in and so your pyschological advantage really goes to nobody. I think your arguement's could easily be made for McM and HPU just as easy. I do think there is more pressure on HPU because it is in Brownwood and some people don't feel we are as good as #3. I guess we will find out after this weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 21, 2007, 01:46:52 PM
My point is that, considering how well HSU did in the post season last year after they bombed the tournament, if they end up on the "bubble" again this year they would be given the benefit of the doubt over some other team with a similar rating but a less impressive past track record -- and everyone knows it.  I suspect the real pressure is on ETBU, which could get all the way to the final game and, unless they won, suffer the fate of UMHB last year -- and I'm sure the team members all know that, too.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2007, 02:12:10 PM
I like Pirate's question about seating on another board.  Since the tourney is sponsored by the ASC, shouldn't the seating be readily accessible, or better yet reserved, for equal numbers of the participants' fans?  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 21, 2007, 02:26:27 PM
What is sad and I know it has been said before is that HSU, HPU and McM, two of these will probably face each other in the first round of the NCAA tournament.  Most likely HSU and McM.  Then the second round, if HPU gets out, will face the winner.  That is all if HPU wins the ASC tournament
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 21, 2007, 02:29:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2007, 02:12:10 PM
I like Pirate's question about seating on another board.  Since the tourney is sponsored by the ASC, shouldn't the seating be readily accessible, or better yet reserved, for equal numbers of the participants' fans?  :)

There really isn't a whole lot of room down there to add more seating if both schools bring cheerleaders.  But HPU is the host so they should get the floor seating for their games.  If we were hosting we would probably section the stands off like it is done every other game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chemprof on February 21, 2007, 02:45:50 PM
I agree with sethhpu's remark about HSU not being a lock.  Look at their record (20-4) versus ETBU's (21-4).  Should ETBU advance further in the ASC tournament it seems that HSU is on the "bubble" and ETBU could get the nod.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 21, 2007, 03:13:32 PM
I don't think ETBU has a chance of getting in the NCAA tourney without winning the ASC tourney.  They may have a decent record, but the strength of the East is far less then the West and they play east opponents twice.  I know it isn't their fault, just the way it is.  ETBU, if you want to experience the NCAA's, you had better come ready to play in Bwood.

I would say it would be very hard for the panel to not take in HPU, MCM and HSU regardless of the outcome.  I guess if one of these 3 teams doesn't win it, then maybe one will be left behind, but who that would be is up in the air. 

Looking forward to the weekend and cheering loudly.  Interested to see how all teams play and the outcomes as you just never know come tourney time!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on February 21, 2007, 03:21:03 PM
Wow, not my day on the computer .... here is the post I put on the wrong board.


I was wondering how our "Hosts" will handle the lower bowl bleacher seats during the tourney.  Will these seats be available to everyone or to just HPU students?

Maybe they will move in more seats and make it available to all the fans...??
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chemprof on February 21, 2007, 03:31:43 PM
Thundercat, if one of your "holy trinity" doesn't win the tourney, it's clear which will not go on.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 21, 2007, 03:35:12 PM
Wow, chemprof, I sense a little bitterness!  Maybe it is jealousy.  At any rate, I would love to know which one you feel wouldn't go on!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chemprof on February 21, 2007, 03:37:13 PM
I simply serve as a mirror, reflecting what others percieve as reality.  The answer lies within yourself.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2007, 03:55:15 PM
Congratulations to MC's Lacey Kennedy, and to UMHB's Kevin Guyden, Jostens nominees!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 21, 2007, 03:58:40 PM
New South Region Rankings -


1    Howard Payne    23-1    24-1
2    McMurry    21-3    22-3
3    Randolph-Macon    20-3    21-4
4    Oglethorpe    18-4    19-6
5    Hardin-Simmons    19-4    20-4
6    Maryville (Tennessee)    17-3    21-4
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 21, 2007, 04:45:10 PM
Did anybody watch "NCAA On Campus" today on ESPN Classics? Just curious as to how the show about the HPU ladies went.  I'm recording it and will get to watch it later after work.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bench Coach on February 21, 2007, 05:00:45 PM
Ralph - this is my last comment on the whole thing, what does it matter who I am and if it is credited.  To me it doesn't matter what people think about my opinion, because that is what it is, my opinion.

Best of luck to all the teams in bwood! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 22, 2007, 12:08:04 AM
My take on today's talk.....I know when McMurry hosted the regional tourney last year, the NCAA was strict on several rules about the host team being "unbiased" at the microphone and other things, so who knows if there will be some sort of seating rule? I think if enough students were to get there early and sit on the bleachers during their team's game, it shouldn't create a problem. This is America. And bench coach, I don't care if you wish to remain anonymous, I don't know who half these people are on this board anyway and don't really worry about it.  Keep posting your opinions. The pressure to be conference champs is on all eight teams.  Who doesn't want it? Of course HPU wants to do well at home, McM wants to defend it's title, and HSU wants it back. ETBU worries me, they are hungry I'm sure, and want to prove they can play as well as anyone. It's gonna be a battle any way you look at it.  I just think the tournament atmosphere can't be compared to the regular season. It is SO much better. Go LIB. It's yours for the taking......................
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2007, 02:57:09 AM
The NCAA is not running the ASC tournament, however.

It depends, I guess, on how much the conference office wants to exert control over its event. Because it IS a conference event. HPU is just hosting.

Rest assured that if Brownwood Coliseum hosts a regional, those seats cannot be set aside solely for HPU students.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2007, 07:25:25 AM
Quote from: fanstand on February 22, 2007, 12:08:04 AM
... The pressure to be conference champs is on all eight teams.  Who doesn't want it? Of course HPU wants to do well at home, McM wants to defend it's title, and HSU wants it back. ETBU worries me, they are hungry I'm sure, and want to prove they can play as well as anyone. ...

And Miss College would love to send Lacey Kennedy to the NCAA's just once.  UMHB is getting closer all of the time.  Finally, we have Cinderellas coming from UT-D and Ozarks.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Scratch on February 22, 2007, 09:56:56 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 19, 2007, 02:00:07 PM
HPU CUA +31    HSU CUA +40         McM CUA +22
HPU UMHB +7   HSU UMHB +28       McM UMHB +8
HPU SU +61      HSU SU +31           McM SU +26
HPU TLU +47    HSU TLU +53          McM TLU +27

calhsu:
By the numbers, I'd say HSU is going to win.  I've added McM's point spreads for the four schools I compared earlier.  Which team is winning by the highest margin on most of the games?  As a McM fan, I don't like the numbers, and obviously it's the job of the coaches and players to figure out how to turn them around at game time.  But that's the number count as it stands now.

Just to bring the topic back up...

If we are going to talk margins, let's look at the Scoring margin per game.  This stat includes both the offense and defense as well as consistency over the season.  Stretching, you could also use it as an indicator of dept since really large spreads are typical of a blow out and extended bench playing time. You can do the math, but to save you the trouble of grabbing that calculator, let me do it:

HPU = 31.3/game  (#1 in the nation by the way)
HSU = 20.5/game  (normalized to 270 fewer for a 25 game season)
McM = 16.3/game  (normalized to 375 fewer for a 25 game season)
ETBU = 12.0/game  (normalized to 482.5 fewer for a 25 game season)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 22, 2007, 11:13:45 AM
Well I watched the ESPN show about the Lady Jackets and I was very impressed.  They even showed a brief history of HPU.


About the seating I know they've talked about splitting up the bottom section to suit both teams playing so we'll see if they actually will do so.

The way I feel about it is if you can't win in that kind of environment you don't deserve to move on.   Winning in that kind of situation only makes you stronger and more prepared for playoff games down the road. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 22, 2007, 11:23:55 AM
True enough, buy isn't the ASC Tourney supposed to be (ideally, anyway) more of a neutral site event? Now, I know that home-court advantage is HPU's reward for winning hosting rights, but if you want to find out who's better, you let it be played as if at a neutral site as much as possible...at least to my way of thinking.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 22, 2007, 11:24:53 AM
Scratch —
These are interesting figures.  It seems to me the main qualification would be that they are averages for the whole season, so that they mask changes in margins over time.  In other words, I'd say that they make HPU look stronger than they really are at the present time, and HSU weaker, because HPU's high point spreads at the start of the season mask the fact that in the last few games they and HSU have been about even in point spreads or HSU has even had an advantage.
This weekend will be an interesting reality check on all these figures and speculations!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 22, 2007, 12:23:57 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 22, 2007, 11:24:53 AM
Scratch —
These are interesting figures.  It seems to me the main qualification would be that they are averages for the whole season, so that they mask changes in margins over time.  In other words, I'd say that they make HPU look stronger than they really are at the present time, and HSU weaker, because HPU's high point spreads at the start of the season mask the fact that in the last few games they and HSU have been about even in point spreads or HSU has even had an advantage.
This weekend will be an interesting reality check on all these figures and speculations!

Wasn't one of HPU's big point spreads against ETBU?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 22, 2007, 12:25:12 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on February 22, 2007, 11:23:55 AM
True enough, buy isn't the ASC Tourney supposed to be (ideally, anyway) more of a neutral site event? Now, I know that home-court advantage is HPU's reward for winning hosting rights, but if you want to find out who's better, you let it be played as if at a neutral site as much as possible...at least to my way of thinking.

HPU earned the hosting rights.  If the conference wanted a neutral site they should find a place in the metro-plex to do the tournament.  Until then, you have to go to the top teams home.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 22, 2007, 01:00:10 PM
Quote from: McM93 on February 22, 2007, 12:23:57 PM
Wasn't one of HPU's big point spreads against ETBU?
Yep, 76-39, but that was back in November.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 22, 2007, 02:11:44 PM
Just FYI on the seating at the Coliseum. HPU has hosted an NCAA tourney game and the bleachers were split up/open for that event.  It will be interesting to see what happens since HPU plays after a couple of games and those other teams fans are already there.  I sure it won't be an issue.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 22, 2007, 02:36:13 PM
QuoteHPU earned the hosting rights.  If the conference wanted a neutral site they should find a place in the metro-plex to do the tournament.  Until then, you have to go to the top teams home.

Fair enough, but they only half earned them, really. Going in, it didn't matter how well any East team did since they'd have to travel anyway, since hosting rotates between divisions every year. HPU's hosting due both to an excellent season and having it be the West's turn. All I'm saying in this post is that to host you have to win your division and have it be your division's turn, so it's not all by merit.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 22, 2007, 03:01:40 PM
They would have won hosting rights even if it were conference wide.  Let's give credit where credit is due!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 22, 2007, 04:35:25 PM
Really? I was under the impression that it rotated between the East/West division champs every year. If that impression is wrong, then I stand corrected.

None of this has been to belittle HPU's season. They had a great season and deserve to host the tourney, as well as at least a set of 1st-round NCAA games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 22, 2007, 05:04:53 PM
It does alternate east/west depending on the year, I was just stating that even if it were open conference wide (whoever had the best record in the entire conference) as to who would host, HPU would still be hosting.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 22, 2007, 06:48:26 PM
I agree that HPU earned the right to host the conference. But it is or should be an honor to host the tourney and with that comes responsibilities. They should be gracious and be doing everything they can to take care of the visiting teams and their fans and making a lasting good impression for the town, the West side of the conference and for college DIII sports.  Now all that does not include what happens on the court during their games. But everything else should be handled with the best they have to offer. (Okay, even toilet paper!) I'll be there all day tomorrow, to check out the facilities, and watch all the games. Go LIB!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 22, 2007, 07:22:15 PM
If anybody needs some extra things to do try going to the Heartland Mall Friday and Saturday.  There is a neat little magic show and tiger exhibition inside the mall.  They have bengal tigers and white tigers of all sizes as well as ones you can pay to go in and pet.

Just an added little entertainment thing.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 23, 2007, 09:32:58 AM
A preview of the tournament in today's Abilene Reporter-News:

http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_basketball/article/0,1874,ABIL_7991_5372112,00.html

According to the writer, HPU seems to have morphed from Yellow Jackets into Lady Crusaders!  Is this an omen of a major upset in the works???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 23, 2007, 10:44:01 AM
WOW!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 23, 2007, 11:20:26 AM
HPU SID 1, Abilene Reporter 0

Seriously, how do you screw that up and where is the person that checks for accuracy?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 23, 2007, 11:40:21 AM
Hey, my world civ textbook has the fall of the Bastille happening on June 14, 1789 instead of July 14, 1789 -- they've got the wrong month on one of the biggest dates in European history! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 23, 2007, 02:32:23 PM
It must be tournament time!  For no reason whatsoever my heartrate started to rise as I looked over the brackets and times posted above! 

It ought to be a very good weekend! :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 23, 2007, 04:52:24 PM
Some more point spreads, for what they're worth, since ETBU and McM have now both played UMHB twice this season:

ETBU UMHB 63-49  +14
ETBU UMHB 61-51  +10  (ASC tournament)

Total                       +24

McM UMHB  66-62   +4
McM UMHB  68-60   +8

Total                       +12

Just according to the points, ETBU has the advantage.  McM needs to remember that these are the people that knocked HSU out of the tournament last year!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 23, 2007, 06:25:34 PM
ETBU  is on a roll.  McM fans will hate this, and I could be misreading them,  (that is the heart of MCM) but I smell an upset.  The trouble is if MCM loses that game they may lose their chance to go to the big dance.  A loss in the finals would not. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2007, 06:39:57 PM
Quote from: calhsu on February 23, 2007, 06:25:34 PM
ETBU  is on a roll.  McM fans will hate this, and I could be misreading them,  (that is the heart of MCM) but I smell an upset.  The trouble is if MCM loses that game they may lose their chance to go to the big dance.  A loss in the finals would not. 
calhsu, I respectfully disagree with that assertion that McMurry loses out on a Pool C bid, if they lose tomorrow.

Would you go thru the Primary Criteria in the Handbook with the data from the various teams season scores, the Regional won-loss percentages,  Regional Rankings and the updated QOWI boards to show me your thinking? :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 23, 2007, 07:58:42 PM
McM should not take ETBU lightly.  I don't understand all the NCAA criteria for an invitation to the post season, but you'd have a pretty dubious situation if McM was denied an invitation if it got beaten in the second round of the tournament, after HSU was given an invitation last year after getting beaten in the first round.  The bottom line is to make sure that that situation doesn't happen by McM winning tomorrow!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 23, 2007, 09:30:39 PM
I doubt the NCAA looks from year to year to see who they let in after a first round loss in a conference tournament. At least I hope that is not how they determine who gets in. We have found out they can't do math so maybe I am wrong.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 23, 2007, 11:21:47 PM
If ETBU wins against McM and HPU ends up winning it all we could see this final four here again next week in the NCAA playoffs.

As for tonight the Lady Jackets played a great game.

HSU had a great shooting performance but if they turn the ball over like that against HPU tomorrow it will be lights out for the 3rd straight time.

fanstand, I think I know where your TP is going.  All I heard the whole game between MC and HSU was crying from the HSU fans.  They complained when a call went against them and when they did get calls.  If I hear "that was a foul" and "what are you looking at" one more time i'll throw up.  Plus taunting the ASC's all-time leading scorer when she fouls out late in the game in a blowout isn't exactly showing good sportsmanship.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2007, 11:31:49 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 23, 2007, 11:21:47 PM
If ETBU wins against McM and HPU ends up winning it all we could see this final four here again next week in the NCAA playoffs.

As for tonight the Lady Jackets played a great game.

HSU had a great shooting performance but if they turn the ball over like that against HPU tomorrow it will be lights out for the 3rd straight time.

fanstand, I think I know where your TP is going.  All I heard the whole game between MC and HSU was crying from the HSU fans.  They complained when a call went against them and when they did get calls.  If I hear "that was a foul" and "what are you looking at" one more time i'll throw up.  Plus taunting the ASC's all-time leading scorer when she fouls out late in the game in a blowout isn't exactly showing good sportsmanship.

dballa, you could be right!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 24, 2007, 01:41:19 AM
dballa, I was at that game, and you are sooooo right.  Good grief, when you are up 30 points and playing your second and third stringers, give up the whinning, HSU was fouling and hacking just as much as MC. And why is everyone thinking ETBU is going to upset McM.  We played great defense today, and if the officials hadn't called a couple of fouls to send UTD to the line, they may not have gotten into double figures by half.  Our team is ready for tomorrow......better believe it.  The atmosphere was great, all the people working the tournament were awesome, TP was readily available, but ...........I guess because it wasn't as loud as a regular conference game, I have to say one thing----That floor is Pathetic with a capital P. It is borderline dangerous.  I don't think anyone, even HPU, has an advantage with as bad as that floor is.  Come on, lay some nice hardwood down and put some kind of edging around it. The place is hard enough to shoot in, but dang that floor is awful.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2007, 04:09:43 AM
Quote from: fanstand on February 24, 2007, 01:41:19 AM
We played great defense today,

You were on the floor? :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 24, 2007, 05:39:45 AM
No sir, I was around the floor.  When I say "we" I mean the LIB defense, I'm just a cheerleader. Pat, don't you ever sleep?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 24, 2007, 08:32:56 AM
I don't know if ETBU will beat McMurry today or not but I think it will be a great game.  Both teams can score but the key will be who can cut down on turnovers and fouls.

The winning teams today will definitely be testing their conditioning tomorrow. 

As far as the floor goes I agree HPU needs a new one.  But the city won't pay for it and HPU doesn't have the money for it.  They talked about putting slopes around the edges of the floor a few years back and definitely should be put in place.  It's dangerous for players and the officials.  But for now it's what the teams have to play on and hopefully with how well the Lady Jackets are playing a new floor could be in the works for the future.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 24, 2007, 10:28:08 AM
dballa,
That could be the ultimate irony: HPU is so successful that someone or some group comes up with enough money to build a whole new gym on the HPU campus, and then all the things we HPU opponents complain give you such a big home court advantage will be gone and the program as a result will tank!  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2007, 10:37:42 AM
What a great day for women's basketball!

I will make the claim that if ETBU had played and beaten both Hendrix and Oglethorpe in the non-conference, then we would have a Top 25 final.

Good luck to all, and GO LIB!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on February 24, 2007, 11:55:57 AM


Quote from: calhsu on February 23, 2007, 06:25:34 PM
ETBU  is on a roll.  McM fans will hate this, and I could be misreading them,  (that is the heart of MCM) but I smell an upset.  The trouble is if MCM loses that game they may lose their chance to go to the big dance.  A loss in the finals would not. 

I also want to argue Calhsu's claim that if the McM women lose today their NCAA hopes are in jeopardy.  I don't doubt that LIB will have a tough game today, however a loss I don't think would be enough to knock that far down in the rankings.  Like Ralph I would ask you to give some facts about that comment. 

What will realyy throw everything into chaos would be an ETBU win today and tomorrow.  Wow, then does the ASC get four berths?

Go LIB and I will see everyone on Brownwood.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 24, 2007, 08:45:16 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 19, 2007, 02:00:07 PM
HPU CUA +31    HSU CUA +40         McM CUA +22
HPU UMHB +7   HSU UMHB +28       McM UMHB +8
HPU SU +61      HSU SU +31           McM SU +26
HPU TLU +47    HSU TLU +53          McM TLU +27

calhsu:
By the numbers, I'd say HSU is going to win.
Looks like the numbers lied!  Of course, it's a lot easier to predict what the seedings will be for the post-season, knowing the NCAA as we all do.  If HPU wins on Sunday, then it will host a post-season tournament and be seeded so that it has to beat both McM and HSU again to get any further in the playoffs.  If McM wins, the same thing happens, with a seeding requiring wins over HPU and HSU.  Any takers on this prediction?  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 24, 2007, 09:03:38 PM
Man, ETBU had two chances at the end to win.  How close was that.  Anyway good game and it ought to be a great championship
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 24, 2007, 11:06:36 PM
I see the seeding being whoever wins being the #1 seed, the loser of the championship #2, HSU #3 and then whoever they decide to bring in to #4.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2007, 11:30:04 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on February 24, 2007, 11:06:36 PM
I see the seeding being whoever wins being the #1 seed, the loser of the championship #2, HSU #3 and then whoever they decide to bring in to #4.

You know, if they want to give the single "away/home/bye" bracket available in the 63-team field to HSU/McM/ HPU or HSU/HPU/McM, then okay.  If they want to avoid a plane flight for a 4th team, then does ETBU come back to Brownwood as about the #19 or the #20 Pool C bid?  ;)

Please root for DePauw Women to defeat Oglethorpe tomorrow and for Randolph-Macon to defeat Virginia Wesleyan!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2007, 12:17:50 AM
Piedmont defeated Maryville in the GSAC tourney final to knock Maryville TN into Pool C.  This might knock ETBU farther onto the bubble, because Maryville TN has some good wins!

We need to Oglethorpe to lose tomorrow!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 25, 2007, 03:01:06 PM
DePauw 73, Oglethorpe 60. Final.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 25, 2007, 07:40:47 PM
Congrats to HPU on their conference title. :)

Now then, you 3/4 teams that get in need to show this country what the ASC can do. Go get 'em!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 25, 2007, 08:33:35 PM
check out the notables write up on the front page, HPU/McM set the all time attendance record in today's championship game. 

The amazing thing is the attendance for the HPU/HSU tournament game broke the record as well and the attendance for the HPU/Ozarks first round game was within 4 or so of beating that record.  So HPU has the top 3 out of 4 attendance marks just this weekend alone.

There should be even more fans at the playoff game if HPU gets to host the first couple of rounds.  That probably just strengthens the NCAA's judgment on having HPU, HSU, and McM playing in the same place the 1st two rounds.  So they can save all that extra money and make a killing at the gate.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 25, 2007, 08:34:10 PM
congrats to hpu, definitely deserved.  I would have expected a bigger student crowd for MCM.  Was kind of shocked at the lack of support by MCM student fans.  I can't wait to see how the bracket shakes out.  My guess is that Oglethorpe will be making the trip to Brownwood along with MCM and HSU.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 25, 2007, 09:37:28 PM
It was also great seeing a lot of former HPU women's basketball players come back to support the Lady Jackets and sporting their old numbers from when they played.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2007, 10:29:31 PM
IN--McMurry; HSU was bumped this afternoon.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 25, 2007, 10:31:33 PM
Looks like ETBU and HSU women miss out this time!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: FrmrHSUer on February 25, 2007, 10:31:52 PM
Congrats McM...Sorry to my cowgirls, ya'll had a great season, i'm still proud of ya'll.

Go ASC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 25, 2007, 10:32:07 PM
Well I said it before the tournament if HSU didn't have a good showing they wouldn't be in the tournament.  The loss to Southwestern was bigger than the win against McM.

So the question begins do HPU and McMurry play in the 1st round or do they actually get to play other competition first....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 25, 2007, 10:33:26 PM
I can't believe HSU didn't get in since they lost to the ASC champs in the tourney.  Just goes to show you never know!  Ralph, do you know what the reasoning was?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2007, 10:41:29 PM
I am listening to Hoopsville.

I will get back to y'all later.

Let me move thru the QOWI.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 25, 2007, 10:43:58 PM
Thanks Ralph, I look forward to your reply.  I don't think HPU and MCM will play first round, but it will be interesting to see who comes down here.  I would imagine HPU would host (great turnout for championship game, record I have heard).  Each team should play someone else and then unfortunately play each other.  Truly shocked about HSU, I really believe they deserved to be in! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 25, 2007, 10:45:59 PM
looks like the last QOWI pat Coleman did had HSU dropping down really far even below ETBU

62   9.727   5   East Texas Baptist   0.818 (18-4)   22-5
63   9.720   6   Hardin-Simmons   0.800 (20-5)   21-5

Pat Coleman posted the whole list on the Multi Region board under Bumblin B's.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 25, 2007, 10:48:26 PM
thanks Ralph, hard to believe but the numbers don't lie.   I still feel like they should be in.  It will be nice to see HPU and MCM against some other competition.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 25, 2007, 10:49:38 PM
well Ralph didn't give you those numbers but you're welcome anyways ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 25, 2007, 10:51:22 PM
sorry dballa, just so used to Ralph's contributions.  Thanks!  How do you feel about HSU?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 25, 2007, 10:54:12 PM
Yeah, I figured it was Ralph too.

No HSU selection?  You've got to be kidding me...What ONE loss all season to someone who WASN'T in the top 10?  AND after going to final four last season.  I'm astonished...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 25, 2007, 10:56:27 PM
Judging by what the NCAA uses I didn't think they could have made it without making it to the finals of the conference tournament.  But after watching them play in 3 games this year I thought they were a very good team and should have made it.  

But as an HPU fan above anything else I'm happy with only 2 in the tournament which means we actually get to play teams other than those in our conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 25, 2007, 10:57:59 PM
HSU is a very good team and should have been in.  I truly feel bad for those seniors, tough way to go out!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 25, 2007, 10:59:55 PM
This makes no sense to me, except that the NCAA is being the NCAA.  Last year, HSU got knocked out of the tournament in the first round by an unranked team... and they got a bid.  This year, they get knocked out in the second round by the eventual champion with a national ranking to boot, and they are bumped?  And I believe they have a better record than they did last year.  Then, I think HSU got an undeserved favor (which they fully capitalized on), but I really think you guys at HSU got screwed this time around.
Of course, the screwing may not be over, yet, until we find out the pairings.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on February 25, 2007, 11:02:30 PM
my setiments exactly mcmfan.  And they did have a worse record last year.  You just never know with the NCAA, surely there were teams less deserving than HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2007, 11:03:28 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 25, 2007, 10:45:59 PM
looks like the last QOWI pat Coleman did had HSU dropping down really far even below ETBU

62   9.727   5   East Texas Baptist   0.818 (18-4)   22-5
63   9.720   6   Hardin-Simmons   0.800 (20-5)   21-5

Pat Coleman posted the whole list on the Multi Region board under Bumblin B's.

A win over Southwestern gives them a QOWI of 10.040.

KSC and GAC were the lowest QOWI's that I saw and both lower than 10.040.

ETBU needed another non-ASC game to boost their QOWI, and then they had too many ASC games against low QOWI schools that brought down their QOWI.

I think that the coaches can make the case for 20 or 21 games being too many mandated ASC games.  ETBU has made no effort to schedule other D3's, but I think that the conference needs to re-address this issue.

We need to get 20-22 D3 games for these schools, so I think that the weaker schools need to look at games against winnable schools in the SLIAC, the GSAC, the USAC, the IIAC, the NWC and the SCIAC to boost their records.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2007, 11:05:29 PM
Pat Coleman suggested that HSU was the last team or two to be bumped.

I am confident that a Southwestern win puts them into the tourney!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 25, 2007, 11:09:09 PM
Interesting to see what the NCAA does with the matchups.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: FrmrHSUer on February 25, 2007, 11:11:43 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on February 25, 2007, 11:09:09 PM
Interesting to see what the NCAA does with the matchups.

Yes hopefully our ASC Teams won't meet so early, but it is the NC2A, So they'll probably meet first round
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 25, 2007, 11:14:05 PM
Too bad the NCAA forgets the D-3 is also competetive, instead of just trying to save money.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2007, 11:17:05 PM
There is one bracket that has "away/home/bye" format.

Someone could fly into Abilene for a Wednesday home game and then the winner would go to Brownwood for the Saturday game.

I am trying to find the travel orphan who might be flown.

Pat Coleman makes a good case for the West Coast bracket--Chapman/LaVerne/Puget Sound/George Fox bracket.

Might Simpson IA be flown in?

Oglethorpe and Piedmont could be flown in.  They played in the regular season and it would be nice to postpone a potential repeat to Saturday night.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 25, 2007, 11:20:54 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2007, 11:03:28 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 25, 2007, 10:45:59 PM
looks like the last QOWI pat Coleman did had HSU dropping down really far even below ETBU

62   9.727   5   East Texas Baptist   0.818 (18-4)   22-5
63   9.720   6   Hardin-Simmons   0.800 (20-5)   21-5

Pat Coleman posted the whole list on the Multi Region board under Bumblin B's.

A win over Southwestern gives them a QOWI of 10.040.

KSC and GAC were the lowest QOWI's that I saw and both lower than 10.040.

ETBU needed another non-ASC game to boost their QOWI, and then they had too many ASC games against low QOWI schools that brought down their QOWI.

I think that the coaches can make the case for 20 or 21 games being too many mandated ASC games.  ETBU has made no effort to schedule other D3's, but I think that the conference needs to re-address this issue.

We need to get 20-22 D3 games for these schools, so I think that the weaker schools need to look at games against winnable schools in the SLIAC, the GSAC, the USAC, the IIAC, the NWC and the SCIAC to boost their records.

When it comes to scheduling of non-conference games, (correct me if I'm wrong), is it more of a geographically "isolated" (loose sense of the word) thing, or just a matter of not being able to schedule any out-of-region D3 teams? (Just throwing that out there.)

(Concordia, WI, for example, would appear to at least have more non-conference D3 choices in comparison. The Falcons were able to land a tournament with 3 other D3 teams over the holidays.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2007, 11:33:30 PM
As it now, the 20/21 game mandated conference format takes up all but 2 weekends.  That limits your options there.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 26, 2007, 12:00:34 AM
I know not many will like this opinion but I felt that HSU was on the bubble the entire time. Now if they had made the championship game then I thought they were going to get in. I also think if ETBU had played anybody non-conference in D3 than they would have made the tournament. Just goes to show that reputation and last year's records don't get you into the tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2007, 12:25:14 AM
Quote from: sethhpu on February 25, 2007, 11:14:05 PM
Too bad the NCAA forgets the D-3 is also competetive, instead of just trying to save money.

See if your president is willing to accept a 100% increase in his dues.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 26, 2007, 12:55:25 AM
I wish, I just feel the NCAA when it comes to D3, is more likely to choose a team because of money than because of record or competitiveness
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 01:00:37 AM
Quote from: sethhpu on February 26, 2007, 12:55:25 AM
I wish, I just feel the NCAA when it comes to D3, is more likely to choose a team because of money than because of record or competitiveness

Seth, back in the old NAIA days, we very seldom played an NAIA first round playoff game outside of Texas, and when we did, we paid our own way.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 26, 2007, 07:45:24 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on February 25, 2007, 11:20:54 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2007, 11:03:28 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 25, 2007, 10:45:59 PM
looks like the last QOWI pat Coleman did had HSU dropping down really far even below ETBU

62   9.727   5   East Texas Baptist   0.818 (18-4)   22-5
63   9.720   6   Hardin-Simmons   0.800 (20-5)   21-5

Pat Coleman posted the whole list on the Multi Region board under Bumblin B's.

A win over Southwestern gives them a QOWI of 10.040.

KSC and GAC were the lowest QOWI's that I saw and both lower than 10.040.

ETBU needed another non-ASC game to boost their QOWI, and then they had too many ASC games against low QOWI schools that brought down their QOWI.

I think that the coaches can make the case for 20 or 21 games being too many mandated ASC games.  ETBU has made no effort to schedule other D3's, but I think that the conference needs to re-address this issue.

We need to get 20-22 D3 games for these schools, so I think that the weaker schools need to look at games against winnable schools in the SLIAC, the GSAC, the USAC, the IIAC, the NWC and the SCIAC to boost their records.

When it comes to scheduling of non-conference games, (correct me if I'm wrong), is it more of a geographically "isolated" (loose sense of the word) thing, or just a matter of not being able to schedule any out-of-region D3 teams? (Just throwing that out there.)

(Concordia, WI, for example, would appear to at least have more non-conference D3 choices in comparison. The Falcons were able to land a tournament with 3 other D3 teams over the holidays.)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2007, 11:33:30 PM
As it now, the 20/21 game mandated conference format takes up all but 2 weekends.  That limits your options there.

Concordia-WI ended up playing a 19-game in-NAthCon regular season schedule. Next season MSOE joins that conference, so after that, the Falcons will be in the same boat as the ASC teams.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 08:00:20 AM
WLC, you have many more options.  You also have a chance for your better teams to get some separation.

Figure how to split into divisions in a way that does not cramp one schools travel budget.  You are not quite split evenly on Illinois/Wisconsin basis, but you have ways that you can schedule stronger teams and not be weighted down too oppressively by your weaker teams. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 26, 2007, 08:02:22 AM
Good point there.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 26, 2007, 08:12:30 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 01:00:37 AM
Quote from: sethhpu on February 26, 2007, 12:55:25 AM
I wish, I just feel the NCAA when it comes to D3, is more likely to choose a team because of money than because of record or competitiveness

Seth, back in the old NAIA days, we very seldom played an NAIA first round playoff game outside of Texas, and when we did, we paid our own way.

The last few years in the NAIA, they had a tournament all at one site.  Made everything much easier, but I believe only 32 teams were invited.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 08:27:58 AM
Quote from: McM93 on February 26, 2007, 08:12:30 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 01:00:37 AM
Quote from: sethhpu on February 26, 2007, 12:55:25 AM
I wish, I just feel the NCAA when it comes to D3, is more likely to choose a team because of money than because of record or competitiveness

Seth, back in the old NAIA days, we very seldom played an NAIA first round playoff game outside of Texas, and when we did, we paid our own way.

The last few years in the NAIA, they had a tournament all at one site.  Made everything much easier, but I believe only 32 teams were invited.

My bad! But didn't we have regional play-ins to get to the 32-team tourney in Kansas City?

That was pre-ASC and pre-internet and we (TIAA) rarely got newspaper coverage in Dallas.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 26, 2007, 08:33:12 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 08:27:58 AM
Quote from: McM93 on February 26, 2007, 08:12:30 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 01:00:37 AM
Quote from: sethhpu on February 26, 2007, 12:55:25 AM
I wish, I just feel the NCAA when it comes to D3, is more likely to choose a team because of money than because of record or competitiveness

Seth, back in the old NAIA days, we very seldom played an NAIA first round playoff game outside of Texas, and when we did, we paid our own way.

The last few years in the NAIA, they had a tournament all at one site.  Made everything much easier, but I believe only 32 teams were invited.

My bad! But didn't we have regional play-ins to get to the 32-team tourney in Kansas City?

That was pre-ASC and pre-internet and we (TIAA) rarely got newspaper coverage in Dallas.
I believe they did that up until about 1991 or 1992, after that if you won the conference you got an automatic bid to it.  I believe Tarleton hosted it one year and somewhere in Idaho after that.  McM went, I believe, a couple of times and then HPU went three straight times before the ASC was formed.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 26, 2007, 08:34:16 AM
The above post was all on the men's side.  Not sure about the women's, I think there tournament was somewhere east.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 09:15:24 AM
Great Bracket!  We get separated!

From a travel basis, it makes logical sense.  One game in Southern Califiornia to eliminate one travel orphan.  A fourth requiring a second plane trip to Texas and McMurry gets to another side of the Sectional.

I assume that the #1 seeds in each corner are HPU, NYU, Bowdoin and Southern Maine.

Go LIB!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2007, 09:27:18 AM
To continue the discussion about conditions in the Brownwood mausoleum, how much would be in violation of NCAA rules for post season play hosted by HPU?  My understanding is that for the post season, uniform NCAA rules would require HPU to take down their posters in the stadium (the "go team" ones, not the championship banners) to make it a more neutral site.  And what about the bleachers?  Can a school reserve the best seats for only its own students in the post season?  Since the infamous bleachers consist of two units sitting on the floor, it wouldn't be hard to push them 3-4 feet apart and have one section for the home team and the other for the visitors.  Of course, I forgot the most important part: what are the post season NCAA rules on availability of toilet paper in the restrooms?  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 26, 2007, 10:14:15 AM
I bet HPU has all that worked out since they have hosted a playoff game before, we hope!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bench Coach on February 26, 2007, 10:31:19 AM
It was said that people were disappointed in McMs fan turn out, from what I saw there were quit a few fans there.  From what I saw also...they were cramed into a little portion of the gym.  I understand home court advantage, but come on let's be a little reasonable.  The HPU fans got all of the first row of stands but 2 or 3 little sections, they were behind every backboard, and they were almost on the court.  I believe that when the other teams were there and the HPU fans where not there, the HPU admin. was making the other fans get away from the court.  I know that isn't what won and loss games, but I think things could have been a little more equal.  Oh and the toilet paper issue....several of the restrooms were out and they were using paper towels, but those ran out too.  I know you can't please everyone and it takes a lot host a tournament, but I believe there could have been a little better seating for the visiting teams' fans.  
On HSU not getting in, I believe that they had a better year and they might have got the shaft.  I also think that since they didn't get in, it helped to split up the tournament and that they are going to fly out, instead of going back to bwood and having to play HPU.....again.  I am sorry HSU....but let's go LIB!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on February 26, 2007, 10:32:12 AM
I am also HPU75 but am too stupid to get back in under that name.  I don't know about the toilet paper--the men's restrooms were fine!!--although I must admit they are  way too old--but I do know things will change as far as the floor is concerned for the tourney. WOW--WHAT A GREAT BRACKET FOR OUR HPU TEAM.  I think we derserve it, but still--Wow! Of course, I am delighted we do not have to face HSU and MCM
for the fourth time in a month the first weekend.

Of course HSU deserved to get from a best teams point of view, but the certainly unfair(as far as finding the best 63 teams) QOWI put them at risk as has been pointed out by others smarter than I am. However, even D3hoops expert projections had them in.  Of course, selfishly,  4th games against HSU and MCM would have been brutal and difficult for HPU--and really all the ASC teams.

Ralph, in the interest of full disclosure, based on your earlier commments about anonymity, my name is Rick Akins as you know. I am an HPU grad--class of 1975-and I live in Salado, Texas. I won' t say anything here I would not say in person to anyone.  By the way, I do not agree with your posts last night about the  HPU/MCM game yesterday, but I will save that for another time. I was there.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 10:38:59 AM
Quote from: umhbcrufan16 on February 26, 2007, 10:32:12 AM
I am also HPU75 but am too stupid to get back in under that name.  I don't know about the toilet paper--the men's restrooms were fine!!--although I must admit they are  way too old--but I do know things will change as far as the floor is concerned for the tourney. WOW--WHAT A GREAT BRACKET FOR OUR HPU TEAM.  I think we derserve it, but still--Wow! Of course, I am delighted we do not have to face HSU and MCM
for the fourth time in a month the first weekend.

Of course HSU deserved to get from a best teams point of view, but the certainly unfair(as far as finding the best 63 teams) QOWI put them at risk as has been pointed out by others smarter than I am. However, even D3hoops expert projections had them in.  Of course, selfishly,  4th games against HSU and MCM would have been brutal and difficult for HPU--and really all the ASC teams.

Ralph, in the interest of full disclosure, based on your earlier commments about anonymity, my name is Rick Akins as you know. I am an HPU grad--class of 1975-and I live in Salado, Texas. I won' t say anything here I would not say in person to anyone.  By the way, I do not agree with your posts last night about the  HPU/MCM game yesterday, but I will save that for another time. I was there.
Rick, there are a lot of women posters and readers on thee boards who are saying...

"Yeah there was plenty of TP in your restrooms, because you men don't use TP!"   :D

Pat said on the front that HSU was the last team knocked off.  The Southwestern loss (or any other win including splitting the season series with HPU, so McMUrry could have had an ASC-WEst Co-Championship ;) )  did it.

I want to thank the NCAA for splitting McM and HPU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 26, 2007, 10:40:53 AM
Quote from: Bench Coach on February 26, 2007, 10:31:19 AM
It was said that people were disappointed in McMs fan turn out, from what I saw there were quit a few fans there.  From what I saw also...they were cramed into a little portion of the gym.  I understand home court advantage, but come on let's be a little reasonable.  The HPU fans got all of the first row of stands but 2 or 3 little sections, they were behind every backboard, and they were almost on the court.  I believe that when the other teams were there and the HPU fans where not there, the HPU admin. was making the other fans get away from the court.  I know that isn't what won and loss games, but I think things could have been a little more equal.  Oh and the toilet paper issue....several of the restrooms were out and they were using paper towels, but those ran out too.  I know you can't please everyone and it takes a lot host a tournament, but I believe there could have been a little better seating for the visiting teams' fans.  
On HSU not getting in, I believe that they had a better year and they might have got the shaft.  I also think that since they didn't get in, it helped to split up the tournament and that they are going to fly out, instead of going back to bwood and having to play HPU.....again.  I am sorry HSU....but let's go LIB!!!

As I saw the seating was first come first serve except behind the teams benches.  The turnout was bad.  The first game at HPU had a great student turnout and they sat right behind one of the goals and behind HPU's bench.  HPU did a great job of promoting and filling the stands with their fans.  Anyway, this is a great bracket, just will be tough for us to fly out and back within a small window and play to our capabilities.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on February 26, 2007, 10:49:37 AM
I understand the whining about the HPU students only near the court on Sunday, but that will change in the ncaa tourney, but in the MCM/ETBU game the MCM students were just as close--next to the court but not on it.

As far as the other seating--come on!!  It is open seating and all the MCM fans I saw were together behind the MCM bench, and many were in the lower tier.  There were still plenty of empty seats in this place--i can't help it if 80%+ of the people were HPU fans.

I was in the top corner and I saw where everyone was.  The next time the tourney is in Kimbrell I am sure much of the end zone seats will be reserved for the other teams!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 26, 2007, 10:53:33 AM
Understand that I am not whining about, I think it is what home court advantage is supposed to be.  If it was in Abilene it would be the same way.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bench Coach on February 26, 2007, 10:54:22 AM
I was there too and the Mcm fans were cramming in places and standing because there wasn't enough seats provided for the visitors.  You were in the top corner, exactly, I saw were they were too.  I can whine all I want about the sitting because I was one of the ones that was crammed into the little space because I was supporting my team.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 26, 2007, 10:58:04 AM
The coliseum has 4,500 seats and the attendance was 3,850 which at least 200 or so were on the floor.  So that leaves around 800 to 900 seats around the coliseum.  If you were crammed into a little spot it was because that is where you chose to sit not because of a lack of seating. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on February 26, 2007, 10:59:29 AM
Ralph:

As I said, I also want to thank the  NCAA for splitting HPU and MCM up!!  I am grateful, but amazed nonetheless!!  I am not a woman, but I will see what I can find out about the restrooms.  3850 people do not help, but that is still indefensible.  While as far as everyone else is concerned that is HPU's problem--and I understand why people feel that way--if I am not confused theColiseum/Mausoluem is owned and operated by the City. Having said that, HPU needs to insist  not the greatest environment be made as least tolerable.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 26, 2007, 11:03:33 AM
Quote from: Bench Coach on February 26, 2007, 10:54:22 AM
I was there too and the Mcm fans were cramming in places and standing because there wasn't enough seats provided for the visitors.  You were in the top corner, exactly, I saw were they were too.  I can whine all I want about the sitting because I was one of the ones that was crammed into the little space because I was supporting my team.  

Don't we in Abilene, just rope off the section behind the teams bench for opposing fans?  Now that is crammed.  The atmosphere was great for the weekend.  Just wish outcome was more favorable.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2007, 11:09:13 AM
There were lots of empty seats in the top reaches of the stadium away from the court.  The controversy is over availability of seats close in, where fans can make themselves heard to support their team.  I was in the section right above the McM team, and even here there were HPU fans (and even some HSU ones).  There was one sign on the back stairway which no one was using that said "visitors' seating."  There could have been much better signage to mark off who gets to sit where, in the stands themselves rather than on a back staircase.  I think we at McM and, yes, even our arch rivals at HSU (!!) do a better job of reserving quality space for opponents than has been done at the Mausoleum.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 26, 2007, 11:14:36 AM
I heard all 3,500 HPU fans pretty easily from where I sit.  You make it sound like we play in the American Airlines Center.  The coliseum isn't that big and you can be heard all over the place.


As far as reserving seats at McM, go into the gym and look at the bleachers behind the visitors bench.  If they've replaced them since I last sat there then great but if not I don't believe you can call that quality seating.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 26, 2007, 11:15:35 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 26, 2007, 11:09:13 AM
There were lots of empty seats in the top reaches of the stadium away from the court.  The controversy is over availability of seats close in, where fans can make themselves heard to support their team.  I was in the section right above the McM team, and even here there were HPU fans (and even some HSU ones).  There was one sign on the back stairway which no one was using that said "visitors' seating."  There could have been much better signage to mark off who gets to sit where, in the stands themselves rather than on a back staircase.  I think we at McM and, yes, even our arch rivals at HSU (!!) do a better job of reserving quality space for opponents than has been done at the Mausoleum.

I guess we need to just win the west and host the tournament then.  I am a McM fan and I do believe HPU did a great job of hosting.  HPU is just the better team this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on February 26, 2007, 11:32:32 AM
MCM93:

Thanks for the acknowledgment.  This year HPU really does have the best team in the ASC--and maybe way beyond that--I hope!!  That is not to say MCM could not beat HPU if they can win the first two( and HPU wins of course) but having seen all 3 games between the two, and lots of others as well, it would definitely be an upset. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 26, 2007, 11:49:02 AM
This whole thing boils down to a single word:  Consideration.

Both McMurry and HSU are more than considerate when it comes to hospitality for visiting teams.

At McMurry...FORTY percent of the arena is marked off for Howard Payne or HSU.  TWENTY percent for other teams who bring in a far smaller visiting crowd.  Ropes are used to designate visitors seating, and security is actually there to help with seating.  Finally, the seats provided for visitors ARE JUST AS GOOD as those provided for home.  The same is true at HSU.

Howard Payne is a different story.  Nothing was roped off for fans.  (At least not that my wife and I could find.)  And ALL of the good seats were saved for Howard Payne only.

What ended up happening was this:  I couldn't find a good seat in the predominantly McMurry section, so my wife and I ended up sitting in a section dominated by HPU fans...But there were at least 10 or 15 McMurry fans in our section.  We were a bit subdued because we couldn't be ourselves.

That's all you SHOULD do HPU.  You SHOULD allow plenty of good seats for the visitors so they can sit with their fellow fans.  You didn't do that.  In my opinion it was taking home court advantage a BIT too far.

One final point:  I ended up sitting with an ex-HPU player.  She played three years ago.  I recognized her immediately.  She said this:  HPU has tremendous home court advantage because they play everyday on that crappy floor.  They know exactly where the ball doesn't bounce right on that nasty plywood.  They must have also developed bat-like eyes to see in the dark as well playing day in and day out.  A warning to whoever ends up playing HPU on Saturday.  That facility has some SERIOUS issues!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 26, 2007, 11:52:46 AM
I wasn't going to bring it up again, but it was early Saturday that the paper was gone. Didn't even bother on Sunday.  And we had a lot of fans, dballa there were not 3,500 people rooting for HPU on Sunday. Nice inflation of numbers.  And we could have won that game, but for a couple of easy shots missed, and a little more a the free throw line.  We beat ourselves. Funny how, your double teams never sent us to the line, but anything at the other end was a shooting foul. I'm not making excuses, we beat ourselves, we are also a GREAT team. No doubt, I say we go deep no matter where we travel............. LIB, moves on, that's all that matters.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2007, 11:58:35 AM
In justice to HPU, some of this may just be inexperience with large crowds.  A friend from church who is an Ozarks alumnus said that there was no special reserved space for the Ozarks team bus, so it had to park wherever it could find a place and then got hemmed in by all the cars so it had trouble leaving afterwards.  And a few weeks ago when I tried to find the address to the Brownwood Colosseum, I went to the HPU page and under "facilities" there were photographs but no address (which is still the case of you go to http://www.hputx.edu/howardpayne.aspx?pgID=1596).  On the other hand, HPU put up a great page for the tournament, with a nice map.  I think you want a quality operation to go along with a quality team, and there are still some rough edges getting there.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hpfan on February 26, 2007, 12:51:16 PM
To MCMFAN: you might want to check out your own website before criticizing someone else.  There are really nice pictures of Kimbrell, but no map. http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/wbasketball/kimbrell.html

To thejungle: Do you really want to talk about someone being inconsiderate.  What about a coach who sends his assistant to shake the hands of the players from the other team like every other coach in the division, as to say he is too good to shake the hands of the opposing players.

To: fanstand: I agree that MCM has a great team, and I also agree that the refs were not the best at the game yesterday, but they were equally as bad at both ends of the court.  MCM did not loose due to the refs.  And you should have put more emphasis on COULD have won.  You did not beat yourself, HPU won the game.  Both teams are great teams and deserved to be in the championship game.  HPU came out on top though.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 26, 2007, 01:33:07 PM
Can't we all just get along????  It is playoff time and everything is in the past except for the biggest tournament of the year!!!!!!  Good luck HPU and McM, they WILL represent the ASC well!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hpfan on February 26, 2007, 01:40:09 PM
Well put McM93.  Go HPU and McM, do Texas proud!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 26, 2007, 01:52:07 PM
Honestly, everyone on this board is now hoping for the best for both HPU and McM.  And YES, we're all focussed on this coming weekend.

BUT, with that said, it IS time for a post-mordem on the Conference Tourney.  And this is the place to do that.  HPU has a lot of be proud of when it comes to the tourney:  It went smoothly, everyone I talked to was very welcoming, and it was a record-breaker for attendence.  But that doesn't mean there aren't things that could be done to make it a better tournament.  And I hope HPU officials had a chance to look at some of these comments, because there are several things HPU could do NEXT TIME to make it an even better experience.

And isn't that the point?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hpfan on February 26, 2007, 01:56:05 PM
That is a valid point.  It is good to get feedback to make things better.  The best way to recieve that feedback would be in a constructive manner, rather than being called inconsiderate.  Wouldn't that make a better point?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2007, 02:00:22 PM
Quote from: hpfan on February 26, 2007, 12:51:16 PM
To MCMFAN: you might want to check out your own website before criticizing someone else.  There are really nice pictures of Kimbrell, but no map.
Quite true.  But Kimbrell is on our campus, and can be found on the campus map at http://www.mcm.edu/newsite/web/enrollment/campus_map.html.  The problem with the coliseum is that it's not located on the HPU campus.   The first time I went to a HPU game several years ago, I actually spent an hour wandering around HPU before I figured out that the stadium was somewhere else.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 26, 2007, 02:05:54 PM
I must say there were 3600 people in the coliseum yesterday. Anywhere you went except for the nosebleed seats it was cramped. The atmosphere was great and the refs were bad on both ends. Everybody has just seemed to be dogging HPU and the facilities because they weren't catered to there specific requirements. The toliet paper I understand the gripe, but if the McM fans had come early then they could have had there pick of seats.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 26, 2007, 02:06:23 PM
That is also why they call in home court advantage.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 26, 2007, 02:08:07 PM
"Consideration."  I stand by that point.  Because it's nicer than saying "forced home court advantage" or "contempt for the visiting team". 

It really is quite extraordinary for many of us at McM when there wasn't a visitors section.  It's something we don't understand.  We always go out of the way to make sure visitors get a large percentage of VERY GOOD seats.

At HPU it was fend for yourself, and stay out of ANY of the good seats...They were for HPU only.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 26, 2007, 02:09:57 PM
I know for a fact there was two sections one for vistor and one for home team fans reserved behind the benches. Now they weren't a huge amount of seats, but the coliseum has never had reserved seats.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 26, 2007, 02:33:59 PM
All I know is, is that I enjoyed my experience in Brownwood (besides us losing).  It was a little crowded but what was at stake on the BASKETBALL FLOOR covered all that up.  I understand being comfortable, but the whole reason we were there is to watch what every one of these young ladies have worked so hard for: A CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!

I know we lost, but we are still in the "big dance" and have as good a shot at the title as anyone else.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2007, 02:55:32 PM
As for the officiating, for what it's worth, one of my colleagues has tallied up the attempted free throws from each of the conference games:

                                 HPU    Opponent

HPU vs. Ozarks          21             7
HPU vs. HSU             42            21
HPU vs. McM             32             9

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 26, 2007, 03:07:47 PM
Here are the conference leaders in free throw shooting for the season not just one weekend.  HPU has shot more free throws than anybody, and they haven't all been home games.

FREE THROW PERCENTAGES
## Team                           G    FTM   FTA   Pct
---------------------------------------------
1.Mississippi College.      26    392   548  .715
2.Howard Payne........     28    510   715 .713
3.Hardin-Simmons.... .    26    427   602 .709
4.Ozarks..............           26    364   514  .708
5.McMurry.............          28    331   474  .698
6.Schreiner...........          25    384   567  .677
7.LeTourneau..........       25    303   454  .667
8.Sul Ross State......       24    369   556  .664
9.Mary Hardin-Baylor..    26    305   460  .663
10.Texas-Tyler.........        25    337   512  .658
11.East Texas Baptist..    27    396   609  .650
12.Concordia-Austin....    24    345   531  .650
13.Texas-Dallas........       26    319   491  .650
14.Texas Lutheran......     25    203   330  .615
15.Louisiana College...    24    222   368  .603
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 26, 2007, 03:12:25 PM
Thanks for the stats!  There's a reason HPU is number 3 in the nation.  Not only are they talented and well-balanced, but they push the ball inside...Both guards and forwards.

If you do that....you go to the line!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on February 26, 2007, 03:15:44 PM
mcmfan and all the other whiners and malcontents here:  I know the facilities are not great, but you are dead wrong about the games themselves.  The free  throw thing is obvious if you know anything about basketball and watched the games--HPU plays a ZONE, never presses, and both HSU and MCM wisely knew this weekend the best way to beat a superior opponent is to aggressively get after them and try to disrupt their rhythm.  Plus HPU's team THIS year is quicker and gets to the spots better than others.  If you think the officiating cost either HSU or MCM the game you are clueless. I agree the officiating  in this tourney, and women's basketball in general, is very very poor.  I could share with you many pathetic calls I saw from my perspective also.

Get over it and worry about this weekend!!  Win 2 and  if HPU wins 1 and we can argue again this year.  If not, next year could always be a different story.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 26, 2007, 03:41:13 PM
Its so easy to talk about getting over something, when you win.  Shoe on the other foot, your the one wanting to talk about whatever. We ARE still playing, but we're just letting out some frustration. No one has said anything about, players or coaches, so back off hpfan.  My last complaint on seating.. We had two sections for visitors one behind the bench and then in the middle of the scorers table.  Had they given us the other section behind the goal or even half of that section (where the most obnoxious fans that talk ugly to our players and coaches) sit we may not be as whiney. We could have won that game given a 3 or 4 different opportunities, I didn't say the officials made a difference, but we did have the opportunity.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cowgirlfan on February 26, 2007, 03:44:07 PM
Can anyone explain why a team that has been ranked all year in the Top 25 and lost to only 3 teams (2 ranked in the Top 10and yes, one team #3 3 times) did not make it into the tournament?  I know about the QOWI but if that is the criteria, how did HPU make the #1 seed and get the bye?  Their QOWI wasn't as high as some others.  I realize the Top 25 is only a coaches poll but there had to be some reasoning for ranking HSU as high as they did all year that didn't have to do with QOWI.  Did the NCAA take that into consideration?  It isn't HSU's choice that they had to play HPU 3 times in a season. Has any other top teams played another top team that many times?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2007, 03:56:11 PM
cowgirlfan ---
I can't, and I'm not exactly a fan of HPU.  If there are 60-odd teams in the playoffs, you'd think every team in the top twenty would be included.  I'm happy we don't have to play y'all for a while, but I was really surprised you weren't invited.  Some of this could just be the luck of the draw, and maybe Ralph or someone else with the figures could answer this: what if McM had been seeded to play HPU in the second round, instead of HSU?  If you had beaten ETBU instead of us, would that have given you enough points or whatever it is to get in? 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 26, 2007, 03:59:06 PM
The answer for your question cowgirlfan will be "If only HSU had beaten Southwestern."  But that answer kills me...So, the NCAA is telling us if you lose ONE game all year to someone NOT ranked in the top 10 you're out?

HSU deserves to be in.  I understand why they aren't, but they DESERVE to be.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 03:59:25 PM
Cowgirlfan, Pat Coleman projected HSU as the last team bumped due to the Dickinson loss.

If HSU had beaten Southwestern, almost certainly you would have made it.

The QOWI criterion was hurt by a factor of about 0.400 with that loss.

You had one only win against a Regionally Ranked team.  A win versus HPU this year would have sealed a Pool C bid as well. 

Your South Region regionally ranked percentage would have been better, if you didn't have the Southwestern loss.

Defeating HPU would have given the QOWI that same 0.400 boost.

That sums it up.

What would I recommend next year?

--  Keep playing the Southwestern and Trinity and even Austin College and UDallas games, or Hendrix, Millsaps, Rhodes, Piedmont, Maryville TN and Oglethorpe.
--  Schedule in-region games versus SCIAC and NWC teams on the west coast.  Pick up games versus IIAC, CCIW or MIAC schools.
--  Schedule as few NAIA and D2's as you can.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on February 26, 2007, 04:01:01 PM
As I understand it, and others can explain much better than I can, the schools that have more non conference games in region and can pick up wins against probably inferior teams (but which are still teams with good or great records, since they can beat even more inferior competition) can really boost that QOWI.  This is much easier to do in other areas of the country.  As an HPU fan selfishly I am glad to not play HSU 4 times in a month;  however, in all fairness absolutely HSU deserved to get in. I believe the d3hoops poll is very accurate as to the true strength of teams, but that poll has no bearing on the NCAA's actions under its rules.  It is bizarre that a very early loss against Southwestern could affect QOWI enough for this to happen, but I think it might have.

Obviously this is no real answer--I do feel for HSU and all its players, fans and coaches.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 04:09:40 PM
And the McMurry men's loss to ETBU or the HSU loss in Mabee also made the difference for the Men!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2007, 04:26:05 PM
Yes, I think that HSU is really a victim of the entire conference's scheduling. The fewer out of conference in-region games a conference plays, the less a team is going to be able to distinguish itself.

By the way, if you think this is bad, the RPI-style rating the NCAA is moving towards next year is even harsher on HSU. They rank 53 in a run we just did on it. We'll post the full ranking later and talk about it on Hoopsville.

The ASC gives away opportunities for its teams to showcase themselves. Until that changes this should be expected.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 26, 2007, 06:32:00 PM
My HSU Cowgirls lost?  :o   I was away on a fishing trip and missed the action.

Go McM and HPU!  Represent the ASC well.   :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 07:37:17 PM
Coach K is on Hoopsville now!

Look for the archives of Hoopsville in the second hour.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 07:50:41 PM
Coach K's interview is outstanding.  I strongly encourage every ASC fan to listen to it.

He has an excellent comprehension of what HPU needs to do!

I hope the conference can work together on this.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on February 26, 2007, 08:32:33 PM
thanks, Ralph for the Coach K update.  I will listen!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: moseshightower on February 26, 2007, 09:39:39 PM
Yes, unfortunately, I think if Cowgirl fans want to blame anyone it should be the Southwestern Pirates for finishing at .500.  Remember in 2003-2004, Trinity was left out of the tournament at 24-3, a record including two losses to Depauw when both teams were in the top 10.  That third loss was to McMurry who finished 16-9 that year.  Now granted, it was a smaller tournament field at that time but that was a team that was more than worthy of a bid but it was the one loss in Abilene that kept them out.  Also, the top 25 polls on D3 hoops and on the WBCA site have nothing to do with the NCAA's selection of tournament teams.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 26, 2007, 10:54:13 PM
Ralph I hope they archive hoopsville tonight...it's always great listening to Coach K interview and listen to him speak to his team...everytime he calls a timeout or gets them in a huddle, he has a way of motivating his players and getting them to execute. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 27, 2007, 12:45:29 AM
Congrats to HPU for a great run so far this year.  You won it hands down,  my cowboy hat is off to the ladies.

Last year was the surprise.  That HSU did  go.  Third place teams don't usually.  It really doesn't matter if they could have won a couple of games.   You play the regular season for a reason.

I will hold to my prediction.  Hpu will win at least two games in the playoffs.  The third game would be great.  No way a fourth.  Just a prediction,  I don't hope this to be truth.   If you don't like the prediction,  make your own.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 12:46:25 AM
Quote from: dballa on February 26, 2007, 10:54:13 PM
Ralph I hope they archive hoopsville tonight...it's always great listening to Coach K interview and listen to him speak to his team...everytime he calls a timeout or gets them in a huddle, he has a way of motivating his players and getting them to execute. 

More likely tomorrow. Everyone here is a little beat. Sorry.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on February 27, 2007, 01:10:39 AM
Quote from: calhsu on February 27, 2007, 12:45:29 AM
I will hold to my prediction.  Hpu will win at least two games in the playoffs.  The third game would be great.  No way a fourth.  Just a prediction,  I don't hope this to be truth.   If you don't like the prediction,  make your own.

How i love predictions...as ive said before...they present an awesome opportunity to place one's foot directly in his mouth! ha ha

but nonetheless...  I saw HPU practice before their first game and new that this team was gonna be incredible.  They're talented guards and posts...all of which are great shooters...add their intense defense...and wow...its paradise!!!

i left the gym and told my buddy Kelly Foster "they're going to the final four this year..." to which he replyed "your crazy"

still so, i posted it on Jan 16 and i'll post it again...HPU to the final four!

GOOD LUCK JACKETS
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on February 27, 2007, 01:15:01 AM
Quote from: inthepaint on February 26, 2007, 06:32:00 PM
My HSU Cowgirls lost?  :o   I was away on a fishing trip and missed the action.

Go McM and HPU!  Represent the ASC well.   :) :) :) :)

Seriously i'm worried about InthePaint... those are just very strange things for InthePaint to be saying... i think he needs help.  Everyone may not recognize it but i know that Ralph has to see the change.  i'm just really concerned.

"Paint, are you ok.  if you need to talk, i'm here for you!" 

ha ha  :) :) :) :) 

hmmmm seriously though...dont think i didn't notice that you put McM before HPU!!!

sneaky!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2007, 07:42:23 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 12:46:25 AM
Quote from: dballa on February 26, 2007, 10:54:13 PM
Ralph I hope they archive hoopsville tonight...it's always great listening to Coach K interview and listen to him speak to his team...everytime he calls a timeout or gets them in a huddle, he has a way of motivating his players and getting them to execute. 

More likely tomorrow. Everyone here is a little beat. Sorry.

Thanks Pat,  I figured it would be the next day that it would show up, but I know Sunday's show they talked about forgetting to get it recorded...

Awards are out for the ASC  www.americansouthwestconf.org
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 27, 2007, 08:24:25 AM
Quote from: Rob Don on February 27, 2007, 01:15:01 AM
Quote from: inthepaint on February 26, 2007, 06:32:00 PM
My HSU Cowgirls lost?  :o   I was away on a fishing trip and missed the action.

Go McM and HPU!  Represent the ASC well.   :) :) :) :)

Seriously i'm worried about InthePaint... those are just very strange things for InthePaint to be saying... i think he needs help.  Everyone may not recognize it but i know that Ralph has to see the change.  i'm just really concerned.

"Paint, are you ok.  if you need to talk, i'm here for you!" 

ha ha  :) :) :) :) 

hmmmm seriously though...dont think i didn't notice that you put McM before HPU!!!

sneaky!

Everybody is for McM AND HPU, don't mess it up by looking deeper than it really is.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2007, 08:31:46 AM
Paint is lost...   :'(

He went fishing somewhere away from radio contact with his Cowgirls.  :o

I guess I am "ASC Proud".  We really need a strong showing from McM versus the highly respected teams in their bracket.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on February 27, 2007, 08:43:52 AM
Quote from: McM93 on February 27, 2007, 08:24:25 AM
Everybody is for McM AND HPU, don't mess it up by looking deeper than it really is.

ha ha ooo em ce em ninety three.... i'm just messin with paint. 

i fully understand the gains from having strongs NCAA Tourney representations from ASC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on February 27, 2007, 08:48:44 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2007, 08:31:46 AM
Paint is lost...   :'(

He went fishing somewhere away from radio contact with his Cowgirls.  :o

I can't believe that Paint went fishing during an HSU game???  ??? ::) :o

i'm so confused... ???   O well.

Did you catch anything while you were on the lake?  What were you fishing for?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 27, 2007, 09:16:19 AM
Quote from: Rob Don on February 27, 2007, 01:15:01 AM
Quote from: inthepaint on February 26, 2007, 06:32:00 PM
My HSU Cowgirls lost?  :o   I was away on a fishing trip and missed the action.

Go McM and HPU!  Represent the ASC well.   :) :) :) :)

Seriously i'm worried about InthePaint... those are just very strange things for InthePaint to be saying... i think he needs help.  Everyone may not recognize it but i know that Ralph has to see the change.  i'm just really concerned.

"Paint, are you ok.  if you need to talk, i'm here for you!" 

ha ha  :) :) :) :) 

hmmmm seriously though...dont think i didn't notice that you put McM before HPU!!!

sneaky!

Don, thanks for noticing the softer, gentler "in the paint!"  Trust me, I am just fine.  In fact, I have never been better.  For the record, I put McM before HPU because we always put the underdogs first! 

I hope HPU and McM put on a display that tells the nation that the ASC is not the conference of yesterday.  This is a conference of top-shelf talent and strong, able coaches.  I wish Coach K and his Lady Jackets as well as Sam Nichols and his Lady Tribe nothing but "good bounces" all the way to the Final Four.  Shoot, I wish them victory all the way to a national title.  Coach K has proven to me (not that he had to) that he is one of the best coaches to ever take the hardwood in the ASC West.  He has taken a good amount of negative smack from a lot of folks here.  He has proven us all wrong.  Sam has always been a champion-calibre coach and I hope to see it again this year.

Oh, and I was bass fishing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bench Coach on February 27, 2007, 09:32:11 AM
Quote from: hpfan on February 26, 2007, 12:51:16 PM
To thejungle: Do you really want to talk about someone being inconsiderate.  What about a coach who sends his assistant to shake the hands of the players from the other team like every other coach in the division, as to say he is too good to shake the hands of the opposing players.

To: fanstand: I agree that MCM has a great team, and I also agree that the refs were not the best at the game yesterday, but they were equally as bad at both ends of the court.  MCM did not loose due to the refs.  And you should have put more emphasis on COULD have won.  You did not beat yourself, HPU won the game.  Both teams are great teams and deserved to be in the championship game.  HPU came out on top though.


The assistant coach has always shook hands with the other team...I have seen it done many times before because the head coaches is talking to his players and getting them ready for the game.  And the officals were not equal.  Just because they play a zone doesn't mean they are not fouling. 
HPU fans, you have your chance to complain and if you want to call it whine when your team losses  so don't you think we can have our chance.  I am going to be honest, I have been around many teams and all of the sudden you have a different air thinking that you are so much better then everyone else and untouchable, but on any given night, to any given team you can be beat.  I have seen that many times this year, much less in the past. 
LIB - go to Oregon and reck shop and then come back and get you some Lady Jackets!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2007, 10:27:42 AM
Bench Coach, the Lady Jackets haven't lost in a while so I'm glad you're able to let us know how bad it feels to lose. 

As far as thinking they are the best, well only one loss, ranked #1 in the region, won the ASC West and the Conference tournament, wouldn't that make them the best around this area?

They aren't arrogant or cocky about it but they do walk with a swagger and are very confident.  They have every right to be and know they can beat anybody in the country.  They'll get to prove it starting this Saturday night at 7pm in Brownwood.

Good luck to McMurry out in Oregon on Friday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 27, 2007, 10:59:33 AM
Quote from: dballa on February 27, 2007, 10:27:42 AM
Bench Coach, the Lady Jackets haven't lost in a while so I'm glad you're able to let us know how bad it feels to lose. 

As far as thinking they are the best, well only one loss, ranked #1 in the region, won the ASC West and the Conference tournament, wouldn't that make them the best around this area?

They aren't arrogant or cocky about it but they do walk with a swagger and are very confident.  They have every right to be and know they can beat anybody in the country.  They'll get to prove it starting this Saturday night at 7pm in Brownwood.

Good luck to McMurry out in Oregon on Friday.

Well said, DBalla!  A little swagger and confidence is in order!   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 27, 2007, 11:11:21 AM
I agree that a little swagger and confidence is great, but be very careful..there is a thin line between those and cockiness and arrogance. That cross over fuels the other teams and fans and can turn a lot of fans to root against you. We need the ASC teams to do well. Remember where you came from. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 27, 2007, 11:23:26 AM
Anybody have scouting reports on La Verne, Chapman or Puget Sound?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bench Coach on February 27, 2007, 11:24:21 AM
Yes, you took my Karma points away for being honest as to what I see, go ahead.  I have been around many of the programs and I just said they have a different air and think that they are untouchable, but they aren't, that is why they have the one loss.  Yes they have a lot of swagger, I was there and I have seen them in years past
Quote from: dballa on February 27, 2007, 10:27:42 AM
Bench Coach, the Lady Jackets haven't lost in a while so I'm glad you're able to let us know how bad it feels to lose. 
This is the first time in HPU history that they have done this good, I think you still know what the feeling is like to lose.  Don't get a little over confident their dballa, and don't take it so personal the things that are said and try to cut me down.  I was cutting you down...just saying there is a little air around bwood and the untouchable sense is there.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2007, 11:29:36 AM
1. I didn't take away your karma point.
2. If you get to thinking you can be beaten, you will be beaten.

When HPU lost to McMurry in Abilene by 1, a game they led by as much as 15, they didn't lower their heads, blame the gym or anything for that loss.  They got pissed off and have beaten McMurry twice since then.  That's the difference between this team and teams in the past.  This year they don't get down when they miss a shot, or when someone scores on them.  They take it personal and get mad.  You will very rarely see a team score off the same play or the same shot two or more times in a row.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2007, 11:31:09 AM
I looked at both Chapman and La Verne's attendance for the year and it looks like we had more fans at the HPU/McM and HPU/HSU games than they had attend for the full seasons.  The size of the crowd alone could be very intimidating for either team.


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: FrmrHSUer on February 27, 2007, 11:34:02 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2007, 08:31:46 AM
I guess I am "ASC Proud". 

Ralph, i'm right there with you on being ASC proud. now with that being said, my cowgirls are always on the top of the list, followed by the other ASC teams. I hope that both McM and HPU can go into this tourney and show just how strong and competitive this conference is.

And to McM and Hpu, i hope ya'll come out with the same fire in your eyese and intensity in your hearts that ya'll played with when ya'll played us.

Safe travels to all.

2chr15:7
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on February 27, 2007, 11:36:42 AM
Bench Coach: About the only thing I will agree with you about is the asst. coach shaking hands--I don't think that means any disrespect  and it is no big deal.  But about the fouls Sunday--total fouls were 12 to 18--at least 2 if not 3 of MCM's were at the very end on purpose, so 12 to 15-16 is not much ESPECIALLY with the  style of play I mentioned before.  Someone else correctly pointed out that HPU has 5 starters who will take it to the hole and draw the shooting fouls.  MCM has really only 1 and sometimes 2.  In fact, while T. Richardson is a GREAT player, in my opinion she gets more "respect" from the refs than anyone I have seen in the conference.  If fact, in the 72-55  HPU win in bwd a few weeks ago  with my admittedly prejudiced eye I was up to 12 fouls I saw her commit but I believe she ended up with  only 3.  On Sunday, while I am sure she was fouled sometimes and they weren't called--as happened to HPU players too --I thought Stacey B.-- did by far her best job of challenging her without fouling of the 3 games this year.

The refs were poor as I stated before--they needed  to call more fouls all over the court on both sides.  The game was sloppy enough with both teams so tired after 3 games and with both playing tough and emotional games on Saturday.  Better officiating would have helped and made for a better game all around.  By the way,  remember HPU has had to play MCM 3 times right after tough emotional games against an excellent HSU team.

I am not saying MCM cannot beat HPU if we are both fortunate enough to advance--no one is--but i certainly like our chances.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2007, 11:44:59 AM
McM is going to the Northwest, the land of the trees and  Puget Sound Loggers.  Their top 9 players go: 5'9", 5'6", 5"11",5'10", 5'9" 6'0", 5'8", 6'2", 6'0".

Looks like we're gonna have to "LIB" them!

Coach Nichols and Densman have told you what you need to do so execute!

Go LIB!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on February 27, 2007, 11:48:00 AM
One more comment--of course no team is unbeatable--not the HSU teams of a few years ago, not MCM last year, and yes not HPU now.

Also, I do support the ASC teams.  I was delighted when HSU went to the Final Four last year, and I want MCM to do well too.

I also agree with Sethhpu--let's talk about opponents this weekend--what do we know?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 27, 2007, 11:50:40 AM
That's an arguement I just DON'T get.  That somehow the refs come into a game knowing a players 'reputation'.  I may be wrong, but I imagine that most of these refs, come into a game just to do their jobs.  They probably don't know Tarra Richardson from Kendra Anderson, and most probably have no idea what these girls have done over their careers.

I had the opportunity the other day to go to a DII game in Abilene...Same refs.  I betcha they see so many games over the course of a season they know few if any 'repuations'.  This is DIII not the NBA.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 27, 2007, 11:52:16 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2007, 11:44:59 AM
Coach Nichols and Densman have told you what you need to do so execute!

I did not know Coach Densman was still at McM as an assistant.  I must make more games (actually, one would be more than this year) next year!   :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 27, 2007, 11:54:12 AM
I looked at Pugent Sound stats last night and they only have two girls in double scoring figures. Looks like they may sub a lot and maybe play a slower temp of ball, especially with their size.  Rock on LIB!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2007, 11:55:58 AM
Actually most of the refs that do the games do know the players because they officiate for these teams a lot.  Take one of the officials for the championship game...he did the HSU/HPU game in Abilene as well as the HSU/HPU game in Brownwood.  I talked with him Friday night during the HSU/MC game and he talked about watching some of the other players and knew the names as well as who was good or not.  They may not all remember names but they do enough of these games to know who the star players are for the higher profile teams in the conference.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2007, 11:58:16 AM
McMurry radio will be broadcasting the game Friday night right?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2007, 12:00:42 PM
Thanks HSUats,

2Chr 7:14!  :)


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 27, 2007, 12:06:57 PM
Thanks Dballa...You may be right, but I'm still sceptical!

I just called McMurry Dballa...They say the games this weekend WILL be on the radio.  That's 1560 A-M or on the internet trough www.mcm.edu.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2007, 12:09:02 PM
I like that fanstand...Pungent Sound!  :D

As for McMurry, Leon and Greeley Myers are on the call!

I wish they had video streaming.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2007, 12:11:41 PM
First impressions on UPS, they are tall but I wonder if they can run.  We had Stout running in Georgetown.  If they could run at 5'11", they would be playing D1 somewhere.

If we make the key defensive stops, as LIB knows it must, we can neutralize the height.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2007, 12:13:39 PM
Ralph, thejungle, thanks...hopefully i'll get to listen to it..

I tried to find radio for Chapman and La Verne but couldn't find anything at all..

maybe someone else can find something on them..

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2007, 12:16:00 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 27, 2007, 12:13:39 PM
Ralph, thejungle, thanks...hopefully i'll get to listen to it..

I tried to find radio for Chapman and La Verne but couldn't find anything at all..

maybe someone else can find something on them..



I think that the SCIAC is using D3Scoreboard for its reporting.  Altho' not a SCIAC member, maybe Chapman will have Livestats going!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on February 27, 2007, 01:16:04 PM
THE JUNGLE:

I may have gone a little over the top with the "reputation" comment, but I was getting pretty tired of all the talk from a few MCM folks making excuses. They just lost--in my opinion to a better team.  It was not all the refs or even all HPU's defense when you shoot 5 of 28 or whatever it was in the second half. When it is my team's turn to lose, I will try to restrain myself  I hope and be at least somewhat objective.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 27, 2007, 01:36:46 PM
crufan:  If you'll look back at the posts, you'll notice that I never make any excuses for the McM loss.  I simply want HPU to do a little better about seating for the fans.  Honestly, I don't say that from a "we could have helped our girls out" point of view...Simply a selfish one:  I want to see the game closer, and with my fellow fans.

HPU won that game.  Why?  Because they're a darn good team.  Because they are supremely confident.  Because they are extremely well balanced. 

There's been a lot of talk on this website from people saying they are NOW ASC fans.  It's not just talk.  I remember last year sitting with my wife trying to figure out how we could afford a 1,000 dollar airline ticket to Massachusetts to see HSU in the final four.  I REALLY was a HUGE fan of HSU last season about this time...Even though I'm a McMurry graduate.  If HPU makes a run, you can bet I'll be sitting in front of the computer listening to the game on the internet...And wishing I could have afforded the ticket to go the game myself!

I TRULY say "Go ASC!"
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 27, 2007, 01:41:55 PM
Quote from: thejungle on February 27, 2007, 01:36:46 PM
There's been a lot of talk on this website from people saying they are NOW ASC fans.  It's not just talk. 
I TRULY say "Go ASC!"

Good post, Jungle!  There really are some folks coming around to "ASC Proud" while maintaining devotion to their own favorite team.  I really have come to the point that I can honestly cheer for HPU - and as some have pointed out that is a long way from where I once was! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2007, 01:44:54 PM
I know it's premature and all but right now I'm looking into reserving tickets to the Final Four.  There are some decent deals out there but being around Spring Break doesn't help.

I wouldn't miss seeing the Lady Jackets play in the Final Four for anything. 
They just need to make it there so I don't have to worry about any non-refundable tickets :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 27, 2007, 02:34:13 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 27, 2007, 01:44:54 PM
I know it's premature and all but right now I'm looking into reserving tickets to the Final Four.  There are some decent deals out there but being around Spring Break doesn't help.

I wouldn't miss seeing the Lady Jackets play in the Final Four for anything. 
They just need to make it there so I don't have to worry about any non-refundable tickets :)

Buy the tickets and then let the girls know you will meet them there.  That, my friend, is a commitment that can spark some spectacular play.  This could be their year!  A good start to attending the Final Four would be to make sure you have courtside tickets to their next game!

Go Jackets!  Put the Jacket Sting to everyone all the way to a national title!   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 27, 2007, 03:20:26 PM
dballa, you buy that ticket......when it's LIB going to the final four, I just buy it off of you, for a discount!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 27, 2007, 04:23:37 PM
Quote from: umhbcrufan16 on February 27, 2007, 11:36:42 AM
But about the fouls Sunday--total fouls were 12 to 18--at least 2 if not 3 of MCM's were at the very end on purpose, so 12 to 15-16 is not much ESPECIALLY with the  style of play I mentioned before.
What you've said about the style of play makes sense, but where are you getting the foul figures?  I read 9 free throw attempts for McM and 32 for HPU from the stats page at http://www.hputx.edu/FileUploads/07ascg7.htm.   At the risk of showing my ignorance, for I'm not a hoops specialist, how are you coming up with 12 and 18 for the respective teams?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on February 27, 2007, 04:24:32 PM
Jungle: was not really talking about you as far as the game itself--that was a very good post--I had not even THOUGHT  about the Final Four  and tickets, but it is certain one of 15 teams in our "region" will go, and 2 of them are ASC teams from Texas!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2007, 04:27:26 PM
mcmfan those were the total number of fouls HPU 12 and McM 18.  The numbers you have are the total number of foul shots.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on February 27, 2007, 04:28:14 PM
mcmfan:

On the link you attached  the line PF is personal fouls and shows the 12 and 18 I mentioned.  Now obviously a lot of HPU's were non shooting fouls and a LOT of MCM's WERE shooting fouls.  Hope that helps.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 27, 2007, 04:30:30 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 27, 2007, 04:23:37 PM
Quote from: umhbcrufan16 on February 27, 2007, 11:36:42 AM
But about the fouls Sunday--total fouls were 12 to 18--at least 2 if not 3 of MCM's were at the very end on purpose, so 12 to 15-16 is not much ESPECIALLY with the  style of play I mentioned before.
What you've said about the style of play makes sense, but where are you getting the foul figures?  I read 9 free throw attempts for McM and 32 for HPU from the stats page at http://www.hputx.edu/FileUploads/07ascg7.htm.   At the risk of showing my ignorance, for I'm not a hoops specialist, how are you coming up with 12 and 18 for the respective teams?

I think he was talking team fouls with 12 and 18.  The first numbers are free throw attempts.  The free throw attempts are lopsided but if watched HPU's style of play, they take to the hole and force the other teams to foul which is a part of winning basketball.  I just haven't seen us trying too many inside shots beside Richardson.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 27, 2007, 04:34:30 PM
Read each others minds!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2007, 04:36:10 PM
Well just like in practice, REPITITION REPITITION REPITITION :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on February 27, 2007, 05:01:05 PM
I just saw on Chapman's website that the game with La Verne Tomorrow night will be broadcast through d3hoops.com. Sorry I did not link--I am not  capable that way,  I am ashamed to say, but thought all you HPU and/or ASC fans would  want to know.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 27, 2007, 05:13:17 PM
Thanks for the fouls explanations.  And thanks, also, umhbcrufan16, for the information about the Chapman-LaVerne game.  The link is
http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 27, 2007, 10:13:30 PM
I know this was probably asked, but has Hoopsville from Monday night been archived?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2007, 10:37:28 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on February 27, 2007, 10:13:30 PM
I know this was probably asked, but has Hoopsville from Monday night been archived?

I haven't found it, yet. ;)  It was not up as of 9 pm.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swiss on February 28, 2007, 03:39:52 AM
How many fans from McMurry do you think will make the trip to Oregon?  Anybody have an estimate?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2007, 07:08:13 AM
HPU fans, have your read the preview on the front page?

Go ASC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2007, 07:09:37 AM
Travel safely, LIB!

I am extremely proud of you! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 28, 2007, 07:48:55 AM
Ralph looks like we're the only ones up right now :)

I saw the preview and I can't help but say I'm excited about the possibilities.  I'm glad our teams get to showcase their abilities against other schools before possibly facing each other again.

STING 'EM JACKETS!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 28, 2007, 09:35:43 AM
My earlier question got lost in all the hoopla about officiating.  So, I'll try again: Do the NCAA regulations allow HPU to reserve those infamous bleachers next to the court for only HPU students during post-season games, or do they have to be divided half and half for the home and visiting teams?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 28, 2007, 09:39:18 AM
I like the preview, now it is time to make it come true.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2007, 09:42:35 AM
The handbook has explicit instructions about the distribution and handling of tickets, even their color.

We can see how the NCAA official will apply the guidelines to the Coliseum.

Handbook pp35-36. (http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2007/2007_d3_w_basketball_handbook.pdf)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 28, 2007, 09:43:02 AM
As I recall everybody must be in a seat for the tournament games, no standing along the sides or in the aisles.  The bleachers were split up for the NCAA game against Trinity.  Don't worry HPU complies with all NCAA regulations for playoff games.  If they didn't they wouldn't have the opportunity to host a playoff game again this year and especially not the opportunity to host all the way up until the Final Four.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 28, 2007, 09:45:08 AM
By the way in regards to tickets for people in Brownwood and the surrounding areas tickets go on sale today for Saturday's game at 7pm, which can be picked up at the Brownwood Chamber of Commerce, HPU Athletic Offices, and I also believe the Harris House as well as the Packard Admin Building.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 28, 2007, 09:47:48 AM
The preview is definitely nice.  If you think our teams in the ASC are good, and I certainly think my McM Ladies are good, then you have to give credit to HPU for beating all of them repeatedly, both in the Coliseum and away.  If this is not a team that is for real, then you don't think that our conference is for real.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2007, 09:49:44 AM
Wish #1:  National Champion McMurry LIB
Wish #2:  That the only team to beat the National Champions in 2007 was LIB!

Go ASC!  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 28, 2007, 10:50:03 AM
Swiss, I don't know how many McMurry fans will make the trip to Oregon but I'm sure a lot of the families will be there.  You could see anywhere from 50 to 100 fans coming out from Texas.  For McMurry's sake I hope they bring more.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 28, 2007, 11:55:55 AM
The Brownwood Bulletin has put together a fairly nice page about this week's first and second round action at HPU.  And some fairly good stuff about the ASC tourney as well.

http://www.brownwoodbulletin.com/asc/
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 28, 2007, 01:26:47 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2007, 09:49:44 AM
Wish #1:  National Champion McMurry LIB
Wish #2:  That the only team to beat the National Champions in 2007 was LIB!

Go ASC!  :)

I love that sentiment!  Go ASC!!!!!  :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 28, 2007, 09:34:22 PM
I've been in So cal last three days,  drove ten hours today and the first thing I did when I got on line was to check the seedings and the pairings.   The Moon the stars and the sun must be in line to the ACS.  HPU has an excellent chance to go to the final four.  First they don't have to play a Texas  championship,  (think back Ralph it has been years since the ASC qualifiers didn't have to kill off another of its own.)  And then to be matched up against the west.  This is my present home but we are not talking the cream of Cal schools.  Most of the Christian school out here play NAIA ie California Baptist, Masters,  etc.   The few DIII schools best sport is not women's basketball.   The Northwest team are up and down.  I know HSU only beat PLU by a couple of points  but they have a couple of thousand fans and still couldn't edge the cowgirls out.    I really would now go on record and say if the two ASC team play their A game a ASC final in the section final is possible.   The only factor I question is Big dance pressure.   Each level the intensity is multiplied.  HSU had years of experience before last year.
I will follow Ralph's led through the years when MCM would bow out and support  the ASC teams.   I still don't think HPU can beat the mid west teams or the eastern teams but they could gather confidence with the early games and even make the finals.   Which by the way would be no small matter.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on February 28, 2007, 10:34:24 PM
Calhsu:

Thanks for the insights.  As an HPU big time supporter, I of course agree we drew a TREMENDOUS bracket. I was actually almost in shock when I saw it. You still have to play the games, but we certainly have a chance to make some noise.  While HPU has only the last 2 years of NCAA tourney history--loss to Trinity in 2005 and the Trinity win and HSU loss last year, after seeing HPU's team 10+ times in person since Jan 15 I have a feeling they will handle the pressure well.  I like this year's team a lot.

I dreaded but expected to have to play HSU first and then MCM second the first round, which would have the FOURTH time in the same order since the end of January!!  Not a pleasant thought against really  good teams.  Thanks again for the West Coast insights.

GO HPU, MCM, AMD ASC!!






Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on February 28, 2007, 10:43:05 PM
Calhsu:

Unfortunately I think if HPU wins Sat. and MCM wins 2 out west we have to play the first game of the sectional, not the finals--unless I am misreading the bracket!  The final would have been nice(of course assuming the wins to get there) but after avoiding other ASC teams the first weekend that is certainly too much to ask for.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2007, 10:55:43 PM
I like HPU's chances against everyone else.  I know that McMurry knows what it will need to do if we manage to play UW-Stout again, that being a template for the outside world.  Thanks to Coach Nichols and Southwestern Coach Pam Ruder for making the UW-Stout-McMurry matchup possible.

I think that HPU matches very well against the northern teams, basically anyone outside the ASC.

HPU has the most size of anyone that we have sent to the tourney.

One thing to keep in mind next year...

Emmanuel came to Padre Island this year and HPU may have been down there in another tourney.  I wish that HPU had had the chance to play that (non-in-region) game.

The advantage of the playing quality non-in-region games is that your team gets to see the outside world, but it doesn't impact your in-region winning percentage.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 01, 2007, 12:08:40 AM
Ralph I think you are referring to Messiah.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 01, 2007, 12:22:47 AM
Archives for Hoopsville are up and Coach K's interview is accessible for people that want to listen to it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2007, 12:51:12 AM
Quote from: sethhpu on March 01, 2007, 12:08:40 AM
Ralph I think you are referring to Messiah.

Thanks, seth!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on March 01, 2007, 12:14:31 PM
This was posted from SWISS...On the Northwest Conference Board:

I wouldn't want to give away any conference secrets, would I  ?  So... this isn't much more than what you could pick up off the Logger's own website.  Number 5, Allison Craven, is the one I'd look/listen for.  I was pretty impressed with her, especially in our last game with them.  She, along with Laura Hirsh, number 14, were  first team all-conf.  Laura had at least one strong game against us as I recall.  Marissa Cain got HM all conf. and players like Karen Chase and Brie Adderlie had moments when they looked strong too.  UPS scores 65 points a game and gives up 53 and change.  They hit the boards pretty hard, especially on the offensive end.  Other than the first half of their tournament game with Fox, I didn't think they shot particularly well, in fact you could even say "poorly."  It's my view that you can attribute that to the Bruin inside defense but they would probably just say it was poor shooting on their part during those games.  I don't think that overall their shooting percentage is all that bad but you can look it up.  I suspect it will be a hard fought game.  I wouldn't take them lightly.  If you do, we may end up playing them for the fourth time.  In the meantime, I'm sure the Bruins are entirely focused on the Gusties.  At this time of year, it just doesn't pay to look too far ahead.

Sounds like they'll try to grind it out against McM.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 01, 2007, 03:12:45 PM
I just got done reading the tourney previews, and I sorely hope that I overlooked HSU in the women's bracket. I was so confused I went and looked at the regional rankings. I still don't get it, so someone please help me understand this.

50 bids -> 8 regions -> 6/7 bids per region (5-8 on the outside)

HSU -> Top 25 all season -> #5 (or was it #6...) in the South -> stays home

Sounds to me like they got jobbed (assuming that I overlooked them in the bracket and they really didn't make the tourney). Of course, I am an ASC homer and am so biased. :P
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on March 01, 2007, 03:21:55 PM
Ralph, I was actually at the Padre Island tournament and was praying for the HPU-Messiah match-up but no dice... Instead, both teams just whipped up on a couple of opponents.  Kind of disappointing when it would have been a great national match-up.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 01, 2007, 04:03:35 PM
Latest on the LIB: They have arrived safely in Oregon, are doing some practicing today and are going to a Blazers game (to get inspired?) tonight.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 01, 2007, 04:14:22 PM
I don't know how much inspiration they can get from Portland vs Charlotte :) but it should be a fun experience for them where they can bond, relax and enjoy the night before the tournament starts up.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 01, 2007, 05:26:35 PM
This is what hosting a conference tournament or even a weekend of NCAA playoff action can do for a town.  Sorry for not shortening the link

http://www.brownwoodbulletin.com/articles/2007/03/01/news/news03.txt
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 01, 2007, 06:01:15 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 01, 2007, 04:03:35 PM
Latest on the LIB: They have arrived safely in Oregon, are doing some practicing today and are going to a Blazers game (to get inspired?) tonight.

Yeah, actually the LIB might have more wins this season than Portland and Charlotte combined, but we'll have fun at the game nonetheless. We'll let you know if we see M.J. in the visiting owner's box.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 01, 2007, 06:50:13 PM
Instead of them inspiring us, maybe we could inspire them!  In any case, make sure everyone knows we're thinking of them and will have our radios (or computers) on tomorrow night.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2007, 07:50:33 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 01, 2007, 05:26:35 PM
This is what hosting a conference tournament or even a weekend of NCAA playoff action can do for a town.  Sorry for not shortening the link

http://www.brownwoodbulletin.com/articles/2007/03/01/news/news03.txt
:D :D :D :D :D


$122,000?   How much does a new basketball court and an ample supply of toilet paper cost? ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on March 01, 2007, 08:23:35 PM
All I know is the nation better know that the road to the final four has to go through Texas!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: swiss on March 02, 2007, 12:11:28 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 01, 2007, 04:14:22 PM
I don't know how much inspiration they can get from Portland vs Charlotte :) but it should be a fun experience for them where they can bond, relax and enjoy the night before the tournament starts up.

I think maybe y'all need to take back what you said about the Blazers.  Ask your players how much fun they had at the game with 15,000 other fans watching Portland whip up on Charlotte 127 to 90.  They would have even won a free Chalupa because the Blazers hit 100 points in the third quarter.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 02, 2007, 08:54:58 PM
check the blog for the McMurry women's tournament if you want, http://kylerobarts.blogspot.com (http://kylerobarts.blogspot.com)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on March 03, 2007, 10:56:33 AM
Thanks to LIB for a great season and to all of their ladies for their service to McM. Last night Puget Sound was able to offensively move the ball and get open shots.   they we able to penetrate, drive and then find the open player, it did not seem like our zone was ale to adjust.   Their size was a hindrance to us on the defensive endand against their zone as we could not hit shots.

These ladies are credit to McMurry on and off the court.  It was an honor traveling with them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 04, 2007, 12:09:17 AM
Puget Sound just defeated George Fox--now the Loggers get Howard Payne--a shot at doing the 1-2 knockout on the ASC powers.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on March 04, 2007, 04:00:28 AM
Like the old saying: "If you can't beat them, join them!" 

I went to the HPU-CHapman game and it was an unbelievable atmosphere.  That place was packed full.

HPU played better than I had seen them the previous times and I can guarantee Chapman didn't know what they were getting into.

Who ever comes to Brownwood, you better be ready because the fans, players and atmosphere will be ready for you.

Great win for HPU and the ASC!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 04, 2007, 12:19:47 PM
Looks like HPU got screwed out of hosting the Sweet 16.  The games are going to be played at Luther.  I hope they realize saving on flights will cost them $20 to $30,000 in gate money.  How much can Luther actually bring in money wise for the NCAA? 


STING 'EM JACKETS!! show them you can play at home and on the road.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on March 04, 2007, 01:12:56 PM
Dballa:

I know I say UMHB but if you have read MY POSTS I am a HUGE HPU fan.  Does Washington bus to LUTHER?   If so, then for 2 flights instead of 3 they lose that gate?    4,000+ attendance!!!!  IS THAT IT?  IS IT LESS THAN 500 MILES from St. Louis?  What is going on!!!   Ralph, or some other ncaa guru--help me please.  I had to go to my nephew's wedding in Arkansas and missed Saturday and I was SO excited about this weekend.  What HAPPENED???  I got 2 calls from the game and they said the atmosphere was amazing!!

WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN GEORGRAPHIC "REASONS" TO ME?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 04, 2007, 01:24:24 PM
Well I looked it up on a map and they are around 450 miles from each other.  Just inside the distance to bus Wash U to them.  That's pretty much why they did it.  But how many fans do they actually expect to attend all 3 games up there at Luther?  I don't think they'll have even more than what we had for one game. 

Luther only avgs about 700 to 900 fans per game and at their last home playoff game they had less than 900 even though a typo says they had over 8,000.

I guess they don't want a big home court advantage for HPU and they don't want that extra money generated by over 4,000 fans.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 04, 2007, 01:27:12 PM
I guess the best thing about it is Coach K will get to go back home to Iowa for a visit.  Hopefuly taking home a trip to the Final Four.  I hope he can get a lot of his family and friends to go to the game for some support and make some noise.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on March 04, 2007, 01:38:38 PM
Ok, I went to mappoint--390 miles --If they must sacrifice everything on the altar of cost--yes I understand the rules --why not St  Louis--easier to get to for  the flying teams(HPU and Puget Sound)--same bus for the other team, plus a lot closer for driving for HPU fans--obviously PS is too far to drive anyway! If can read the stats on Luther's website  Luther had 900+ for the first round game the other day. Then 8545 for the second--I presume a misprint for 800+.

Is it really one flight or are they afraid no "neutral" site??
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 04, 2007, 01:51:56 PM
It would be nice if the NCAA offered up some detailed explanations as to why they do things.  I'm sure the "neutral court" has a lot to do with it.  I'm guessing an attendance of 200 or less for the HPU/Puget Sound game rather than an attendance of 4,000 or more HPU fans plus a few Puget Sound followers.

I agree with you about Wash U hosting that would seem a little more fitting as well.  Nothing we can do about it now except for our ladies to go up there, play inspired basketball and take care of business.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on March 04, 2007, 03:01:06 PM
dballa:  I looked more closely at Luther's website, and I think we may be wrong about the attendance. With the story of the last two games,  pictures were included, and it looked really full to me and the story said as much.  On d3hoops it says their arena will hold 3000--and it looked like it from the pictures.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 04, 2007, 03:19:03 PM
So any of the McM fans know what Puget Sound likes to run? How does HPU matchup agaisnt them?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2007, 04:39:16 PM
It was actually 3 plane flights to HPU versus 2 plane flights to St Louis or Luther.

I really think that we did better by not playing on Wash U's home floor.  Coach K needs to hold a family reunion!  :D

We (McM) hit one of our streaks vs UPS and dug ourselves a hole  (16 points), again!

The reports by one of the posters were that UPS' tongues' were hanging until a media timeout at about 3 minutes, when we had cut it to 4 points on 2 occasions.

They only hit 37% of their shots, so I don't think that they can overwhelm HPU's defense.  I don't think that they can run with 40 minutes of Lady Jacket Basketball!

IMHO, I think that we (now for the proverbial "ASC-we"  ;) ) need to push the pace, get deep into their bench and run away from them.  Tarra's athleticism gave them fits.  We spotted them 3-4 inches per player, just like McM does HPU.

I am really excited.   We can match up well with HPU's size and the athleticism that our guards play.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2007, 04:45:39 PM
Quote from: umhbcrufan16 on March 04, 2007, 01:12:56 PM
Dballa:

I know I say UMHB but if you have read MY POSTS I am a HUGE HPU fan.  Does Washington bus to LUTHER?   If so, then for 2 flights instead of 3 they lose that gate?    4,000+ attendance!!!!  IS THAT IT?  IS IT LESS THAN 500 MILES from St. Louis?  What is going on!!!   Ralph, or some other ncaa guru--help me please.  I had to go to my nephew's wedding in Arkansas and missed Saturday and I was SO excited about this weekend.  What HAPPENED???  I got 2 calls from the game and they said the atmosphere was amazing!!

WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN GEORGRAPHIC "REASONS" TO ME?
Other than 2 flights versus 3 , I cannot.

I will listen to Hoopsville tonight.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2007, 11:22:19 PM
Friends, I made my best case for the ASC and our hosting a Sectional on the 2007 Women's Tourney (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5136.38) board and why I thought the decisions were bad!

Good luck, Choctaws and Lady Jackets!

Go ASC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on March 04, 2007, 11:27:19 PM
Ralph:

Thanks for the insights on UPS.  I was just disappointed earlier but I guess 2 flights always trumps 3.  Having now studied Luther's website and slideshow, Brownwood  in  general and our "palace" in particular cannot hold a candle to Luther's facilities and Decorah, Iowa.   The campus and area appear to be very beautiful and the facilities first rate.

My frustration was showing  from a purely basketball point of view (we "earned" a bid on our record) but I need to remember how the ncaa and its costs work.  I knew we had 2 flights anyway and foolishly thougth that was enough, but I guess 2 is always less than 3.  I am disappointed for our fans, however.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on March 04, 2007, 11:29:40 PM
Ralph:

i posted the last one from me before I saw that you gave our "ASC" hosting argument.  I will go read it!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2007, 11:31:15 PM
Go Lady Jackets!  Please listen to what Coach K has outlined for you!

Remember my "Wish #2"!

I want McMurry to be the only team that beat HPU! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on March 05, 2007, 12:02:29 AM
Ralph:  See my reply to your dissertation on the sectionals over there. You are amazing!!  I concur--my wish is that HPU's only loss this year will be to McMurry--your beloved L.I.B.!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 05, 2007, 01:26:59 AM
Maybe I have missed the answer to this question, but why was Luther picked over WashU? Geographically it seems St. Louis would be cheaper flights for both HPU and UPS, but maybe the NCAA knows something I don't???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2007, 01:46:35 AM
Once you're committed to a flight it doesn't overly matter to the NCAA what market you're flying into. The next-highest seed got to host in this instance, I suspect.

They had Luther placed in the bracket like a 3 seed and Wash U in the spot that belonged to a 7, though I suspect the George Fox pod was put together geographically as well, and not assembled completely by seeding.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 05, 2007, 10:09:23 AM
If you want to read a great article on Coach K go to www.brownwoodbulletin.com and click on the news tab to go to the story.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on March 05, 2007, 10:54:56 AM
Quote from: sethhpu on March 04, 2007, 03:19:03 PM
So any of the McM fans know what Puget Sound likes to run? How does HPU matchup agaisnt them?

I know Ralph offerred some suggestions already, having seen Puget Sound play let me offer a few as well.

I would agree that HPU needs to run, run, and run.  They will tire out, however their coach does a decent job of using her time outs and subs.  I think the focus of the game needs to be HPU's defense.  If, which I am assuming HPU will, plays their 2-3 zone, HPU needs to stop their penetration.  UPS does a good job of penetrating and moving the ball around to get decent looks.  Be aware they all can shoot the three, even their post #50 will step out and not be afraid.  With the fact that the game is now on a neutral court, I think UPS can keep it close and hang with HPU.  I think HPU's athleticism and quickness will be the deciding factor.  I don't think UPS has someone that can stop Daniels.

Hope that helps Seth.

Good luck
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: snail on March 05, 2007, 11:10:59 AM
The NCAA, National Communist Athletic Alliance will always do what ever it can......D-1 or D-3 to mess around Texas teams. They (NCAA) have a long history of not respecting teams from Texas. While Schools from around this great country come to Texas and sign players, the NCAA and its east coast inbreds have really just done what they always do.

Any D-1 schools ever had the "death penalty" for violations...just one, SMU.
Now there are many schools that have been on probation several times. Several "storied" thug programs stay in the lime light with help from the NCAA.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on March 05, 2007, 12:02:55 PM
MCM blue devil:

thanks for the UPS info  for us  HPU fans.  I know it will not be easy, but HPU can certainly get it done.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on March 05, 2007, 12:12:58 PM
I think HPU was robbed of the chance for hosting, BUT if they can emerge from this weekend it will be a good tune up for the final four run.  If they played at home the entire playoffs, they may not have been ready for the change of atmosphere that the final four site would bring.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2007, 01:34:00 PM
Quote from: McM Blue Devil on March 05, 2007, 10:54:56 AM
Quote from: sethhpu on March 04, 2007, 03:19:03 PM
So any of the McM fans know what Puget Sound likes to run? How does HPU matchup agaisnt them?

I know Ralph offerred some suggestions already, having seen Puget Sound play let me offer a few as well.

I would agree that HPU needs to run, run, and run.  They will tire out, however their coach does a decent job of using her time outs and subs.  I think the focus of the game needs to be HPU's defense.  If, which I am assuming HPU will, plays their 2-3 zone, HPU needs to stop their penetration.  UPS does a good job of penetrating and moving the ball around to get decent looks.  Be aware they all can shoot the three, even their post #50 will step out and not be afraid.  With the fact that the game is now on a neutral court, I think UPS can keep it close and hang with HPU.  I think HPU's athleticism and quickness will be the deciding factor.  I don't think UPS has someone that can stop Daniels.

Hope that helps Seth.

Good luck

You called that one on the radio broadcast!   ;)
Thanks for the post!  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Scratch on March 05, 2007, 01:37:20 PM
There you go McM93....I was trying to find the bright side/silver lining.  I knew it could be done...just took more work than I was prepared for.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 05, 2007, 01:38:01 PM
UPS is apparently big and physical, just like HPU.  It should be an interesting matchup, though I wish it were in Brownwood so that I could see it in person.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 05, 2007, 01:49:56 PM
I saw that UPS doesn't have any player averaging 10.5 points per game. Obviously they distribute the ball well, and numerous players score around 8 points. But how good are they defensively?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2007, 02:19:58 PM
You guys might want to vote in the survey on the front page.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 05, 2007, 03:10:03 PM
Thanks Pat!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 05, 2007, 03:18:14 PM
Had we done our part, the Sweet 16 would have been here dang it. I wanted to complain some more about the paper!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on March 05, 2007, 03:26:17 PM
Fanstand:

If McMurry had made it, and HPU gotten the sectional, I was personally bringing a truckload of paper if I had to--unfortunately it did not happen.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 05, 2007, 03:49:27 PM
With over 4,000, I guarantee, someone, somewhere, went without.  I wasn't there, so I don't know for sure. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on March 05, 2007, 05:20:33 PM
HPU is a tested road team.  All of the travel they do in the conference -- (granted it is not to Iowa), they are ready.

Take the "show on the road"!!!!!!

See you in the Final Four
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2007, 01:05:55 AM
Seth, I think that the Lady Jackets must take their defense up a notch.  I don't think that we caused enough turnovers.

Remember how you shut down the passing lanes at HSU?

I think that you have to (1) seal off inside, (2) prevent the inside-out pass, (3) watch the perimeter passing.

I don't think that there were enough cycles in the UPS-McMurry game (http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/wbasketball/stats/mcmupsw.htm).  Those posts must run 80 feet every time there is a change in possession.  Please follow me here.  In the McM-UPS game there were 43 FGs' (22+21);  there were 50 (27+23) defensive rebounds; there were 23 (12+11) turnovers.  I calculate 116 "cycles" in 40 minutes, about one every 20 seconds.  The chance to speed up the game is scoring about 5 seconds average faster on each of those offensive possesions.    Well, you add 5 seconds for each, times 20  possessions saves 100 seconds.  Each one of those possesions add another 160 feet of running, or another 800 feet of just pure running (not walking) in the game at a faster pace and I think that HPU can run UPS deeper into their bench. 

Now Coach K may tell them differently, but shaving 5 seconds off each offensive possession adds quickens the pace.

The UPS coach called Tarra a "gazelle".  You have to think that she was impressed.  I think the team speed for HPU (over 40 minutes!!!!!!!)  is the difference.

We will see if HPU is in better condition or forces UPS to go to the bench more often.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 06, 2007, 01:16:05 AM
Yea I heard the UPS coach's comment about Richardson. From what I hear they are physical which is something I think HPU is capable of handling. I wonder if UPS has seen a defense as good as HPU's though. I do think our depth will help, but we did play a more fast paced game agaisnt Chapman (grant it there pressure defense forced that a little), but as UPS coach said on Hoopsville, they don't have a go to player and that may hurt them during cruch time. I wonder if they can cover Meia Daniels. I think Stacey Blalock is going to have to battle, much like she did with Tara Richardson. Should be an intersting matchup.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2007, 08:32:33 AM
## Player Name          FG-FGA 3FG-3FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF  TP  A TO BLK S MIN


32 Tarra Richardson.... f  9-13   0-0    3-3    3  4  7   3  21  0  2  2  2  32

They did not shut Tarra down, so I think that HPU can take them, if they imagine that they are playing at McMurry or HSU or UMHB.

I have said it several times before, I think that HSU would have gone even farther, earlier, if they had had the competition in the conference that we have had these last 2 years. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 06, 2007, 01:33:17 PM
Quote from: LoggerBall on March 03, 2007, 12:02:27 PM
After last night's impressive showing against the #12 team in the nation, I still contend that that must be one really bad division if McMurry is #12, they sure didn't look it last night.
That was a comment by a UPS fan from Friday's game.  This coming Friday will be a test of both HPU and the conference.   It seems to me that while HPU has won away games in the conference, they were all with teams it's used to and in venues it's also used to.  The only away games in unfamiliar places were with places like Fisk which were not exactly major powerhouses.  This may be the first time all season that HPU has faced a good team on an unfamiliar court.  A victory here measures the strength of our whole conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on March 07, 2007, 10:59:28 AM
I am sure this was probably addressed earlier, but I don't feel like wading my way through all the pages I have skipped.  Is Dallas making the trip to Iowa to broadcast the games?  I am just trying to plan ahead on how I am going to listen to the game!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 07, 2007, 11:01:36 AM
according to the Brownwood paper it will be broadcast on the radio and you can go to the HPU website to listen to it.  I don't think Dallas would miss it.

I think D3Hoops will be broadcasting the game as well so if the HPU website is all plugged up you can listen to it on here from their live audio page.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on March 07, 2007, 11:28:50 AM
thanks dballa, i knew you would have the answer for me!  Are you making the trip?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 07, 2007, 11:41:25 AM
I can't make it this weekend because I took off next thursday and friday afternoon to make the trip to the Final Four :)  I planned ahead before the tournament and bought tickets to go just in case and so far so good.

I wish I could go this weekend on the charter but I'll just have to hope for next weekend.  I think we'll have a great crowd there though.

I know Dallas is pretty fired up after listening to his comments this morning on the radio.  Also hearing from some of the ladies I know they are pretty hacked off that they don't get to play in front of 4,000 fans again this year so i'm sure they'll do their best to take it out on those teams up in Iowa.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 07, 2007, 01:16:51 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 07, 2007, 11:41:25 AM
Also hearing from some of the ladies I know they are pretty hacked off that they don't get to play in front of 4,000 fans again this year so i'm sure they'll do their best to take it out on those teams up in Iowa.
Good!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on March 07, 2007, 01:53:18 PM
Ralph and others:

Thanks for the analysis on UPS.  I have seen I believe 12 HPU games in the last 6-7 weeks.  Also, as a self-appointed basketball "expert" I feel qualified to evaluate HPU--albeit only quasi objectively--I am a serious fan and alum!  I believe we have a GREAT team and can beat anyone --of course we have to play well as any team must this time of year.  We have balance, depth and a lot of talents,  both offensively and defensively.  Also, I am confident we will be fine on the road even with a big or even hostile crowd.  We play with a lot of heart, and will not be overwhelmed or intimidated--the Hohertz girls played and won at the state tourney in front of more people than will be there this weekend!!; HOWEVER, our weakness, IF we have one, IMHO, is rebounding.  We must be very very aggressive and effective on the boards, especially defensively, and particularly against a big team.  Limit the second chances!!

GO LADY JACKETS!!  TAKE IOWA BY STORM!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 07, 2007, 02:37:17 PM
I've been watching lots of tourney action on T.V. Uconn got beat, LSU got beat, Duke got beat. Remember where you came from and what got you there. Don't worry about where or what time, just be humble and thankful you are where you are, still playing. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU_HSU_UMHB_BU on March 08, 2007, 08:08:42 PM
Quote from: umhbcrufan16 on March 07, 2007, 01:53:18 PM
Ralph and others:

Thanks for the analysis on UPS.  I have seen I believe 12 HPU games in the last 6-7 weeks.  Also, as a self-appointed basketball "expert" I feel qualified to evaluate HPU--albeit only quasi objectively--I am a serious fan and alum!  I believe we have a GREAT team and can beat anyone --of course we have to play well as any team must this time of year.  We have balance, depth and a lot of talents,  both offensively and defensively.  Also, I am confident we will be fine on the road even with a big or even hostile crowd.  We play with a lot of heart, and will not be overwhelmed or intimidated--the Hohertz girls played and won at the state tourney in front of more people than will be there this weekend!!; HOWEVER, our weakness, IF we have one, IMHO, is rebounding.  We must be very very aggressive and effective on the boards, especially defensively, and particularly against a big team.  Limit the second chances!!

GO LADY JACKETS!!  TAKE IOWA BY STORM!!

:)  I just wanted to say hi to you, umhbcrufan16  - I bet you can figure out who this is if you think really hard :)

Go HPU!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2007, 08:22:01 PM
Well, could your initials be A.A. and you go to Baylor? ;D

Three out of four of those schools are pretty good ones.  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU_HSU_UMHB_BU on March 08, 2007, 08:57:16 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2007, 08:22:01 PM
Well, could your initials be A.A. and you go to Baylor? ;D
Haha, I guess my e-mail gave it away  :)

Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2007, 08:22:01 PM
Three out of four of those schools are pretty good ones.  ;)
;D   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on March 09, 2007, 08:10:24 AM
Quote from: fanstand on March 07, 2007, 02:37:17 PM
I've been watching lots of tourney action on T.V. Uconn got beat, LSU got beat, Duke got beat. Remember where you came from and what got you there. Don't worry about where or what time, just be humble and thankful you are where you are, still playing. 
I know what you are trying to say, but the teams you listed are not having good seasons.  These teams are way down.  HPU is arguably one of the strongest teams the ASC has every put in the playoffs.  I think HPU should be thankful they are still playing, but they should not just settle for that.

Go Lady Jackets, we will be listening!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 09, 2007, 10:48:05 AM
McM93, you do realize I was speaking of the women? Duke was undefeated when they got beat the other night. Uconn and LSU are having pretty good years, (except for the coaching thing at LSU) A&M got beat last night. Just an observation
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on March 09, 2007, 11:09:30 AM
Quote from: fanstand on March 09, 2007, 10:48:05 AM
McM93, you do realize I was speaking of the women? Duke was undefeated when they got beat the other night. Uconn and LSU are having pretty good years, (except for the coaching thing at LSU) A&M got beat last night. Just an observation

You are right I was thinking about the men.  I forgot Duke got beat, thought maybe they would go undefeated through the NCAA's.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 09, 2007, 11:34:19 AM
HPU has been a mystery to me.  Two years ago, when they won the conference, they looked unbeatable (of course, that's because I watched them beat McM three times in the season).  They got to host Trinity in the playoffs and lost in the first round on their own court.  Last year they lost to both McM and HSU on their home court, then beat both of us in Abilene, then got knocked out of the tournament in the second round, got to the playoffs and got beaten by HSU.  I think some of that was because Molly Buker was injured, if I remember right.  To go all the way this year needs not only the big, fast players which the team has highlighted for the last few years, but some extra consistency which seems to have been lacking then.  HPU should win it all this weekend... but will they?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 09, 2007, 11:45:45 AM
You have to remember though in that game against Trinity, HPU had no playoff experience outside of the conference tournament.  Trinity had players on their team that were a part of the national championship team a couple years prior.  Also Trinity had the national player of the year that year.  That makes a huge difference no matter where you play.  Now that HPU's starters have some playoff experience and some big game experience they are more prepared for this run than they've ever been.

6pm can't get here fast enough.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on March 09, 2007, 12:17:39 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 09, 2007, 11:34:19 AM
HPU has been a mystery to me.  Two years ago, when they won the conference, they looked unbeatable (of course, that's because I watched them beat McM three times in the season).  They got to host Trinity in the playoffs and lost in the first round on their own court.  Last year they lost to both McM and HSU on their home court, then beat both of us in Abilene, then got knocked out of the tournament in the second round, got to the playoffs and got beaten by HSU.  I think some of that was because Molly Buker was injured, if I remember right.  To go all the way this year needs not only the big, fast players which the team has highlighted for the last few years, but some extra consistency which seems to have been lacking then.  HPU should win it all this weekend... but will they?

HPU had young players and a young coach.  Now they both are experienced.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: snail on March 09, 2007, 02:47:15 PM
The night HPU lost to Trinity was a see saw battle with HPU looking to win and the Trinity throws up a prayer at the buzzer, a real fluke shot as she was falling down after riding a players back to get a rebound. and as is the case all the time an official did not want to make a call to decide a game at the end of a game, which is precisely when they are needed most.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 09, 2007, 02:55:44 PM
A little non-basketball note, I wanted to congratulate HPU75, UMHBcrufan16 or whichever name you want to go by :) on your newly elected position.  I know you'll serve well and I hope it doesn't deter you from posting on here. ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 09, 2007, 04:42:02 PM
I looked at the Luther College website and looks like the games will have livestats.  Sorry about not shortening the link.
http://sports.luther.edu/women/basketball/season-2006/recaps/lutherhosts.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 09, 2007, 05:16:42 PM
Congrats to Coach K for being named WBCA Regional Coach of the year:
NCAA Division III

Region           Coach           Institution
1            Walter Paschal     Fitchburg State College
2             Jennifer Kroll       Saint Lawrence University
3             Erin Monahan      William Paterson University
4            Michael Strong     University Of Scranton
5            Chris Kielsmeier   Howard Payne University
6            John Ross            Calvin College
7            Jackie Slaats        Lake Forest College
8            Jane Hildebrand   Luther College

Also congrats to Meia Daniels and Symbri Tuttle for being WBCA/Kodak All-American Finalists. 

All info can be found on www.wbca.org
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU_HSU_UMHB_BU on March 09, 2007, 06:28:35 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 09, 2007, 02:55:44 PM
A little non-basketball note, I wanted to congratulate HPU75, UMHBcrufan16 or whichever name you want to go by :) on your newly elected position.  I know you'll serve well and I hope it doesn't deter you from posting on here. ;)

HPU75/UMHBcrufan16 is my daddy  :)
He is gone for the weekend to the games in Iowa, but I will be sure to tell him what you said, and I'm sure he would thank you very much!   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 09, 2007, 07:27:26 PM
Well I'm sure your dad isn't enjoying the start to the game so far.  They aren't playing well at all right now but starting to get back into the game slowly.  They need to take care of the ball and start hitting some shots.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 09, 2007, 07:36:58 PM
Beautiful comeback by the Lady Jackets to take the lead into the half 26-24.

Stacey Blalock has been big with 14 pts, 8 coming from the free throw line.

HPU was down 18-6 at one time.  They finally started settling in and hopefully have shown signs of things to come for the 2nd half.

STING EM
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU_HSU_UMHB_BU on March 09, 2007, 07:45:50 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 09, 2007, 07:36:58 PMThey finally started settling in and hopefully have shown signs of things to come for the 2nd half.

The first half sure didn't sound pretty, but it seems like they were able to stay in it with free throws and rebounding (mainly Pippins).  And the very end of the half sounded exciting.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 09, 2007, 08:22:01 PM
The 2nd half isn't looking any better.  With a tad under 3 minutes to go, HPU is down by 4.  The HPU radio announcer says HPU is only shooting 23 1/2% for the game, compared to UPS shooting 35%.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 09, 2007, 08:29:01 PM
They've done it to themselves missing way too many layups and having too many turnovers.  Just hasn't been a good showing.  It's very dissappointing because this isn't the HPU team that has played well all year.  Puget Sound has played good defense but no excuse for missing wide open shots.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 09, 2007, 08:30:40 PM
UPS 47
HPU 44
Final.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 09, 2007, 08:31:57 PM
UPS missed the second of 2 free throws and HPU got the rebound but couldn't get the 3-pointer they needed in the last seconds to send the game into OT.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 09, 2007, 08:36:37 PM
Should Luther, IA knock off Wash-St. Louis in the other game, it'll be Puget Sound's turn to try to take the Luther crowd out of the game. Concordia-WI couldn't do it, and neither could Carroll in Luther's previous two games because the Norse created several turnovers and jumped out to big leads in both of those games.

Bittersweet end for Howard Payne.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 09, 2007, 08:40:41 PM
I  just watched the last minute of the HPU loss.  I know I am a hard line HSU fan but the loss brings me no joy.  I thought they would at least win a game.  Experience means something.  I hate to say this but I still think HSU would have gone somewhere this year,  but it doesn't matter they didn't earn it.   I am sad for the HPU ladies because they had a great year and have the talent to have gone farther.  But that is why they play it on the court.   The thing I really hate is that the people from UPS think the ASC is nothing.   I'm sure the classless coach from UPS will say something about how HPU didn't deserve their high ranking.  Even I think they did.

I want to be the first  to say this.  Next year should be very interesting,  the teams will all be totally different.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 09, 2007, 10:28:47 PM
Got to agree with you, calhsu.  For an unranked UPS to beat both #12 McM and then #2 HPU doesn't exactly cast credit on the ASC.  I guess what will save our reputation is if Puget Sound now goes ahead to win it all, proving not that we were overranked, but that they were underranked.  Go UPS!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 09, 2007, 10:51:33 PM
UPS gets Wash-St. Louis (a 59-58 winner over Luther) tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 09, 2007, 11:51:02 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 09, 2007, 10:28:47 PM
For an unranked UPS to beat both #12 McM and then #2 HPU doesn't exactly cast credit on the ASC.  I guess what will save our reputation is if Puget Sound now goes ahead to win it all, proving not that we were overranked, but that they were underranked.

This is what happened to HSU a few years ago.  They rolled over everyone all season long and took a 27-1 record to the 16 team bracket and got smoked!  The fact that someone other than HSU played tonight speaks well of the ASC but the conference needs to have a consistent presence deep in the national tournament before others are really going to take notice. 

Oh, I am not saying HPU got smoked.  In fact, they nearly pulled it off!  What I am saying is the later rounds of the tournament is a whole new world!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU_HSU_UMHB_BU on March 10, 2007, 02:46:27 AM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 09, 2007, 11:51:02 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 09, 2007, 10:28:47 PM
For an unranked UPS to beat both #12 McM and then #2 HPU doesn't exactly cast credit on the ASC.  I guess what will save our reputation is if Puget Sound now goes ahead to win it all, proving not that we were overranked, but that they were underranked.

This is what happened to HSU a few years ago.  They rolled over everyone all season long and took a 27-1 record to the 16 team bracket and got smoked! 
Was that when Kendra Anderson was a senior?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 10, 2007, 03:33:05 AM
No one thinks that the ASC is overranked or bad teams!  Just the opposite -- the NWC is underranked!  UPS plays in a conference where 6 out of 9 teams have .500 or better for their conference record.   With George Fox, PLU & Whitworth in the same conference as UPS -- they all just beat each other up!  What's really sad is that UPS & George Fox had to play each other in the sectionals -- I know you have similar beefs.   But -- no one thinks your teams are bad -- quite the contrary.  UPS won over some very fine teams!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2007, 03:39:00 AM
Yep. Kinda hard to know what the NWC is all about with the schedules they play. Sound familiar?  :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bbaddict on March 10, 2007, 04:03:20 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2007, 03:39:00 AM
Yep. Kinda hard to know what the NWC is all about with the schedules they play. Sound familiar?  :-\

Yeah, I guess.  If you consider Oglethorpe, Coe, Chapman, Cal Lutheran, Calvin & Albion obscure, unknown teams!  UPS Women played a tough schedule to establish credibility.  No, I don't get it!  Last year, PLU & UPS fought it out for one spot past the sectionals & this year it was GFU & UPS!  When will they split the NWC women's teams into separate brackets?  I think people do know (& fear) teams like UPS, PLU & George Fox.  Maybe the ASC has some respect now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2007, 12:06:52 PM
No stats on the HPU game yet.  HPU only made 7 Fg's in each half, but the 11-12 on FT's in the first half does count for something.  (If you can make from the line, then the other team has had to foul you to stop you!)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU_HSU_UMHB_BU on March 10, 2007, 02:01:57 PM
Here is the box score posted from the Luther website:
http://sports.luther.edu/stats/women/basketball/2006-07/NCAA%20Tournament/hpu-ups.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 10, 2007, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: HPU_HSU_UMHB_BU on March 10, 2007, 02:46:27 AMWas that when Kendra Anderson was a senior?

Yes. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2007, 04:37:43 PM
Quote from: HPU_HSU_UMHB_BU on March 10, 2007, 02:01:57 PM
Here is the box score posted from the Luther website:
http://sports.luther.edu/stats/women/basketball/2006-07/NCAA%20Tournament/hpu-ups.htm



These are some amazing statisitcs.


          1st period-only      InPaint Pts-T/O 2nd-Chc FastBrk BnchPts Ties  Leads
          University of Puget       10       6       0       0           8          1       1
          Howard Payne Univers   12       8       6       0           5          3       1




          2nd period-only      InPaint Pts-T/O 2nd-Chc FastBrk BnchPts Ties  Leads
          University of Puget         8       9      11       2           8          2       2
          Howard Payne Univers   14       9       3       2            1          2       1
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2007, 04:40:26 PM
HPU only scored 2 fastbreak points! :o  That bucket occurred with 4:40 left in the game.  :)


How many fans would have anticipated that one?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 10, 2007, 05:22:13 PM
I was surprised, but I warned ya. Too much final four talk. Gotta get through the brackets first. I still think the ASC has what it takes. We still have some great stuff to look forward to.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2007, 07:52:11 PM
Quote from: calhsu on March 09, 2007, 08:40:41 PM
I  just watched the last minute of the HPU loss.  I know I am a hard line HSU fan but the loss brings me no joy.  I thought they would at least win a game.  Experience means something.  


...I hate to say this but I still think HSU would have gone somewhere this year,  but it doesn't matter they didn't earn it.   I am sad for the HPU ladies because they had a great year and have the talent to have gone farther.  But that is why they play it on the court.   The thing I really hate is that the people from UPS think the ASC is nothing.   I'm sure the classless coach from UPS will say something about how HPU didn't deserve their high ranking.  Even I think they did.

I want to be the first  to say this.  Next year should be very interesting,  the teams will all be totally different.

Calhsu, you mention several points.

QuoteExperience means something.

HPU had made the last 3 tourneys, losing at home to Trinity in 2005, beating Trinity in 2006, and then moving to the Sweet 16.  They had experience.

HSU has not made the NCAA's 2 of the last 3 years.  The Final Four helped, but you will have lost Sonya West from 2006 plus Walker, Steinberger, Hauk, Dennard, and Contrucci as well.  That is quite a loss of experience.

QuoteI hate to say this but I still think HSU would have gone somewhere this year,  but it doesn't matter they didn't earn it.

I wish that HSU had done it only once this year.  A win in Abilene or Brownwood in the regular season, and HSU earns an ASC-West tri-championship.  Defeating HPU in the tourney, and HSU likely earns a Pool A bid.

Any of those wins or a win over Southwestern and HSU makes it to the tourney and we see a different bracket.

The hope for us is that UPS beats Wash StL.  At least they meet ona  neutral floor.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 10, 2007, 08:09:35 PM
To set the historical record completely straight.  The year HSU got beat early they were 27-0  until they got beat by Trinity who as you remember went on to win the national championship.   I really don't think UPS is going to even beat Washington.
Washington has won the national championship more than once.  They have been down about four years but my bet is on them to be  in the national championship game.

If you want to find a silver lining for HPU may I suggest one that  may sound critical but actually I  have great respect for what they did this year.  For three years in a row HPU has gone to the big dance.  Granted they have only won one game but when your team has won two conference championships in three years there has to be a great deal of pride.  Out of the ashes of the playoff defeats the program can build with the ideal that we deserve to be here not just glad to be here.  Not just I hope we can win but I know we can win.  That is what HSU had and now has to share with two other schools.  
I know that the intense rivalry between the three schools has be good for the conference.  But most of the rest of the conference has a long way to go.  ( I will say that MHB,  MC, and ETB has had moments  but not one of them beat a top three school this year.)  The rest of the conference is really weak with a capital W.  Now it is better than when it was just HSU and the rest but to be a great conference the bottom can surprise the top on a given night.   Next year could be a year for that.   HSU has some good players returning but it will be a different team.   Right now it may come down to who can recruit the best freshman or  best transfer.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 10, 2007, 09:30:53 PM
Washington-ST. Louis ends Puget Sound's run tonight, 57-48.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 11, 2007, 12:28:02 AM
I'm telling you don't be shocked if Washington wins it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 11, 2007, 02:52:54 PM
HSU loses four starters next year, but has some experience from the bench returning, I don't know how long it will take for them to gel and fill the shoes of those who are leaving.  HPU loses two starters, their bench should be experienced to fill in. McM loses only one starter, but the shoes will be very hard to fill considering it's the "general" of the team.  Considering HPU will be starting 3 seniors next year, they should be the team to beat again. But, as I said two years ago, recruiting and the return of the players and what condition they come in makes a difference.  Until I see a name on the roster and a butt on the floor, you never know. It's a long spring and summer, I wouldn't put all my eggs in any one basket.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2007, 03:08:36 PM
Quote from: calhsu on March 11, 2007, 12:28:02 AM
I'm telling you don't be shocked if Washington wins it.
I agree!  SCAC Champion Depauw is in the Final Four, too.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2007, 07:54:57 PM
We may be headed for another disappointing All-Region season in the ASC. Ten ASC schools have yet to cast ballots.

An e-mail reminder was sent out this morning through the Division III SID e-mail list maintained by one of the member schools. I also sent an e-mail with details to the conference office this afternoon.

Deadline 10 a.m. CDT Tuesday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2007, 07:48:37 AM
Be sure to check to the front page for the All-Region teams.

Congratulations to all!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 16, 2007, 01:25:52 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2007, 07:48:37 AM
Be sure to check to the front page for the All-Region teams.

Congratulations to all!

A heartfelt congratulations to Coach K for the well-deserved Coach of the Year honors.  Every year has seen an improvement over the previous.  Next year should be terrific!   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 16, 2007, 07:54:25 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on March 10, 2007, 09:30:53 PM
Washington-ST. Louis ends Puget Sound's run tonight, 57-48.
Quote from: calhsu on March 11, 2007, 12:28:02 AM
I'm telling you don't be shocked if Washington wins it.

Calhsu, you may turn out to be right.

Wash ST. Louis just knocked off NYU and gets DePauw in the final tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 17, 2007, 01:09:48 PM
I know some think I'm a broken record on experience but oh well.   Washington was the team to beat when I started paying attention to DIII women's basketball.  They have the old mojo back.

Ralph.  My comment on HPU experience was and still is,  now they have the experience.   Having been a great regular season team,  getting a high seed,  and then losing in their first game will only make them more dangerous next year.  They will not be happy to be there,  and not impressed with their high rating.   Noting that their all-American still has one more year they will be ready,  I can unfortuanately count on that.

I took a long look at what HSU has returning and for the first time in years I really am concerned.  And I note that for at least two or three years they have not had an all-american.  That would in itself be that big of a deal but when your chief rivals have had major players it is really showing up.
I am not saying they have no chance, they have several underclassmen that have size and I think the point guard will step up fine for her senior year.   What they really need is a big time scorer which is what they have not had since Kendra.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 18, 2007, 08:40:48 AM
All-American teams are out!

http://www.d3hoops.com/tow/allamericans.htm

We have two second teamers and 2 fourths for the women.

Only 25 players total are named from the nearly 400 schools.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 19, 2007, 06:38:37 PM
Been away from a computer for the past week, but wanted to offer a few words before the season is totally forgotten.  It seems to me experience is what killed us in the playoffs.  Nearly all the teams we play are in venues we're familiar with, and after a while even the fans like me start getting familiar with the names of the major players of the other teams.  When HPU played some unfamiliar teams in unfamiliar places in the regular season, they were not major level teams, so they weren't really pushed to their limit.  When we at McM played a nationally-ranked team in an unfamiliar venue (Stout), we lost.  So, I think we just weren't ready to face good teams we were unfamiliar with, which is what happened in the post season.  We need to figure out how to adjust faster to teams we're not used to playing two or three times a season.

And as for recruiting, I think HSU, McM, and HPU will all be gradually pushed aside by UMHB, as has already happened in football.  They simply have a wider recruiting area, being located as they are along the I35 corridor.  I'd expect both the men's and women's teams to become regular championship holders in the next few years, the way HSU used to be ten years ago.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 29, 2007, 12:44:24 AM
Dallas Morning-News article (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/misc/weekend/stories/032707dnspopotera.d3aca0.html) about Louisiana College Head Coach Robin Potera-Haskins.

I wonder why the headline writer mentioned D1, because there is nothing else in the article about her career beyond building the program at LaCollege...but then I guess it should not surprise me. :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 29, 2007, 01:21:30 AM
Dallas Morning News deskers are probably preoccupied with when the next round of layoffs will arrive.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on April 07, 2007, 09:19:04 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 29, 2007, 12:44:24 AM
Dallas Morning-News article (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/misc/weekend/stories/032707dnspopotera.d3aca0.html) about Louisiana College Head Coach Robin Potera-Haskins.

I wonder why the headline writer mentioned D1, because there is nothing else in the article about her career beyond building the program at LaCollege...but then I guess it should not surprise me. :-\

Ralph, did we read the same article?  It is all about her problems with Montana State, a D-I school and the fact that she had made it to the "top" of the NCAA heap, moving up to a D-I school, only to head "downward" to a D-III position.  She wants to get "back on track" to a D-I position. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 07, 2007, 11:19:20 PM
QuoteOnce the game began, she never sat down. She stood or squatted on the sidelines, constantly instructing her players and inserting substitutes. In 1988, The News called her a "whirlwind" when Wilmer-Hutchins hired her. That description still fits.

In an interview after the 67-57 loss, she complimented the play of her young players and said the team will be better next season.

"I think we have some good recruits coming," she said.

Those are the last 3 paragraphs of the article that I read.

That is where I surmised that she wants to build the program at Lousiana College.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2007, 10:42:54 PM
Thank you, Coach Nichols!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on April 19, 2007, 11:40:29 PM
Ditto!  Ralph...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on May 01, 2007, 04:47:10 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2007, 10:42:54 PM
Thank you, Coach Nichols!

I am confused.  What are you thanking Coach Nichols for via this public bulletin board?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 01, 2007, 04:52:07 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on May 01, 2007, 04:47:10 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2007, 10:42:54 PM
Thank you, Coach Nichols!

I am confused.  What are you thanking Coach Nichols for via this public bulletin board?
We yell, scream, holler and clap on these boards.
I thought that it was just a good place for me to express my thanks!  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on May 02, 2007, 09:10:31 AM
I see!  Well said!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on May 02, 2007, 12:19:58 PM
Any news on the replacement? 

Is there anything behind the scenes about his retirement?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on May 02, 2007, 06:59:07 PM
OK, now I am REALLY confused.  Is Sam Nichols leaving McM?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 02, 2007, 07:37:51 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on May 02, 2007, 06:59:07 PM
OK, now I am REALLY confused.  Is Sam Nichols leaving McM?
Yes, Coach Nichols is retiring.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on May 03, 2007, 10:27:35 AM
Whoa, that is big news.  Well, he is leaving his replacement with a good program that seems to be in excellent health.  It will be interesting to see who they tap to lead.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lewis on May 03, 2007, 12:59:16 PM
Word on the street is Richardson and Sawyer are transfering
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on May 03, 2007, 05:18:44 PM
I've heard that, too.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 03, 2007, 08:39:53 PM
Nichols' news was on the front page two weeks ago, folks ...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: watrboy on May 04, 2007, 12:31:02 AM
LIB will know their new coach friday
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on May 05, 2007, 04:38:35 PM
I love people like watrboy and lewis, who make statements out of the blue, make everybody wonder where they get their information and then leave you hanging.Then they never post again.  ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 05, 2007, 09:56:31 PM
They didn't say WE would know McMurry's coach on Friday, just that the team would. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on May 06, 2007, 06:11:26 PM
I guess I just always felt that inside information, should be just that....inside....
until the appropriate time to release it.  But it gets people thinking I suppose and it's kind of a boring time right now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: watrboy on May 06, 2007, 10:26:41 PM
sorry to get you fired up fanstand, not so sure its inside info, heard people at the baseball game talking about the new coach today, not sure why the school is waiting until tuesday for a press release. good news is that with a change, it should get the team back in full for next year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on May 07, 2007, 12:00:56 AM
the univeristy knows what its doing, there are very good reasons for the delay in the public announcement, and everybody who doesn't know already will know soon enough.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on May 07, 2007, 09:52:13 AM
thanks for the info watrboy, now we know where and why. That sounds like you heard properly and you weren't just throwing stuff out there and disappearing. I appreciate your response, I know McM is doing a fine job of getting everything ready....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2007, 11:08:22 AM
Waiting expectantly...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 07, 2007, 01:57:11 PM
Quote from: watrboy on May 06, 2007, 10:26:41 PM
sorry to get you fired up fanstand, not so sure its inside info, heard people at the baseball game talking about the new coach today, not sure why the school is waiting until tuesday for a press release. good news is that with a change, it should get the team back in full for next year.

The 'I know something you don't know' posts are what bother me the most, fanstand. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on May 07, 2007, 03:41:01 PM
That's it exactly!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on May 07, 2007, 03:58:31 PM
Might the new coach already have a pair of McMurry sweats and already be on the campus?   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2007, 05:10:50 PM
This is a great hiring!

Dr. Veronica Snow! (http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/wbasketball/050707.html)

She is more than the women's basketball coach!  She strengthens the entire athletic department.



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on May 07, 2007, 09:17:19 PM
Who took my karma point? Man, I worked hard for those. That sucks!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on May 08, 2007, 09:27:57 AM
Thanks, whoever you are, who gave me back my karma! Saw the news last night, I liked what Coach Snow had to say about McM and her passion for the game. I think a good fit for LIB.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on May 09, 2007, 09:47:29 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2007, 05:10:50 PM
This is a great hiring!

Dr. Veronica Snow! (http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/wbasketball/050707.html)

She is more than the women's basketball coach!  She strengthens the entire athletic department.

You are right; she is a wonderful selection and a terrific fit to a great program.  The team will only get better in the coming year. 

We were glad to mentor her for a few years at HSU!  Always trying to be a blessing to the crosstown competition! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 09, 2007, 02:46:45 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on May 09, 2007, 09:47:29 AM

We were glad to mentor her for a few years at HSU!  Always trying to be a blessing to the crosstown competition! ;)

I graciously accept your blessing for sending Dr Snow back across town.  Our sending Sonya West over to help you get to the Final Four in 2006 is just another example of the crosstown cooperation that exists.   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on May 09, 2007, 08:45:29 PM
ETBU Coach Lisa Taylor has taken the job at the University of Missouri at Saint Louis, a D2 program.  She walks away from a talented bunch.  Whoever inherits this team will have a great chance to do well. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on May 14, 2007, 10:57:31 AM
From the Brownwood Bulletin:

Lady Horn Casey Tyson headed to McMurry

"Early senior Casey Tyson (right), pictured along with Lady Horns head coach Naidene Tiemann, recently signed a national letter of intent to play basketball for McMurry University. Tyson, an all-region selection by the Texas Association of Basketball Coaches, was the leading scorer for the Lady Horns, who advanced to the second round of the UIL Class 2A playoffs this past season."
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 14, 2007, 11:06:58 AM
I hope she didn't. Use of an NLI is prohibited in Division III.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on May 14, 2007, 01:05:28 PM
I think when they register for school, and verbally commit to play basketball sometimes the paper, makes it out like a "signing". The local papers like to build these programs up.  Their schools also sometimes report to the newspapers, and the information is not NCAA polictically correct, but I'm sure McM is doing by the book.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 14, 2007, 02:47:01 PM
No doubt. Just figured it was time for my annual reminder. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on May 14, 2007, 04:26:25 PM
I demand an investigation!   :)   ;)   8)

(Just Kidding)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on May 14, 2007, 05:12:08 PM
Betcha (Coach?) or (Dr?) Snow has it under control. Ha! Trying for a little stir up? It is a boring time right now. I'm just glad to hear any news at this point.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on May 14, 2007, 05:27:14 PM
Naah, just trying to be pithy.   :)

I went to grad school with Veronica--she always struck me as a pretty straight shooter.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 14, 2007, 07:45:01 PM
Quote from: cp1123 on May 09, 2007, 08:45:29 PM
ETBU Coach Lisa Taylor has taken the job at the University of Missouri at Saint Louis, a D2 program.  She walks away from a talented bunch.  Whoever inherits this team will have a great chance to do well. 

Best to her! ;)

(She'll be coaching for a program that competes in the same conference as UW-Parkside, out of Kenosha, WI, a relative stone's throw south of this poster.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on May 15, 2007, 10:28:50 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 14, 2007, 11:06:58 AM
I hope she didn't. Use of an NLI is prohibited in Division III.

We also offered her a full scholarship, is that bad?  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 15, 2007, 10:52:13 AM
HAH!  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on May 15, 2007, 04:55:14 PM
With all the hullabaloo earlier in the year, I'm somewhat surprised no one has posted this before.  So here goes--LC hires new women's head hoops coach:

http://www.lacollege.edu/news-ath/index.php/2007/05/15/joseph-richard-named-head-womens-basketball-coach/

I didn't realize Potera-Haskins had even left, honestly.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2007, 07:47:00 PM
I hadn't either.

Wow, first impressions are that LC got a good one!.

Coach Joseph-Richard (isn't that a Louisiana-sounding last name) must have needed to move home to family.  She is a 1986 LC grad.

Coach Joseph-Richard's bio in the SJSU 2005-06 media guide.  Go to page 6.

http://www.nmnathletics.com//pdf3/24624.pdf

Welcome Coach Joseph-Richard to the ASC!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 26, 2007, 11:00:05 AM
ASC Attendance is #3 in the country! (http://www.ncaa.org/stats/w_basketball/attendance/2006-07/2006-07_w_basketball_attendance.pdf)

HPU #1, HSU #8!

I don't think that they included post-season attendance figures in D3, because the attendance at the Tourney would have boosted HSU even higher and probably moved McMurry into the Top 10 (going from 575 for 11 home games to 905 for 11 home games and 3 ASC tourney games!  HSU's average including ASC tourney games would have risen from 793 in 12 games to 946 in 14 games.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 26, 2007, 11:08:09 AM
No -- story on the front page last night mentions that. No NCAA Tournament.

I believe home attendance is only home attendance. HSU and McM do not get credit for attendance in someone else's gym.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 26, 2007, 11:14:08 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 26, 2007, 11:08:09 AM
No -- story on the front page last night mentions that. No NCAA Tournament.

I believe home attendance is only home attendance. HSU and McM do not get credit for attendance in someone else's gym.
Thanks for the clarificaiton!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chemprof on May 30, 2007, 04:29:51 PM
Jay Bowen, previous assistant at the University of Memphis, named Lady Tigers' head coach.

http://www.etbu.edu/Current+Athletic+News/sports_item.htm?SportsID=1289

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 31, 2007, 03:26:50 PM
Quote from: chemprof on May 30, 2007, 04:29:51 PM
Jay Bowen, previous assistant at the University of Memphis, named Lady Tigers' head coach.

http://www.etbu.edu/Current+Athletic+News/sports_item.htm?SportsID=1289



That was quick! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on June 17, 2007, 02:40:20 PM
The Hardin Simmons University Cowgirls will be the team to beat in 2007-2008!

Way too much time has passed without a pro--Cowgirl post!  I thought I would fix things!  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on June 18, 2007, 02:48:12 PM
Wow paint you get too much sun over the weekend? Pretty bold statement, but I appreciate your trying to keep things lively!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on June 18, 2007, 03:09:06 PM
Quote from: fanstand on June 18, 2007, 02:48:12 PM
Wow paint you get too much sun over the weekend? Pretty bold statement, but I appreciate your trying to keep things lively!!!

Fanstand, there was virtually NO sun all weekend in my part of Texas!  Rained all the time and then rained some more!  If anything I am suffering from a full-body-wrinkling that has affected my basketball judgment!   :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 19, 2007, 01:10:12 AM
Quote from: inthepaint on June 18, 2007, 03:09:06 PM
Quote from: fanstand on June 18, 2007, 02:48:12 PM
Wow paint you get too much sun over the weekend? Pretty bold statement, but I appreciate your trying to keep things lively!!!

Fanstand, there was virtually NO sun all weekend in my part of Texas!  Rained all the time and then rained some more!  If anything I am suffering from a full-body-wrinkling that has affected my basketball judgment!   :D

A Texas never refuses precipitation,
although s/he may wish to negotiate the terms of distribution.  ;)

West Texas was greeeeeen!  Beautiful greeeeeennn today!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on June 20, 2007, 06:30:45 PM
I prefer blue skies and a bright, yellow sun.  Blue and Gold, so to speak.  The colors of our HSU Cowgirls, I do believe.  :D 

However, being color blind I may have that a little off.   :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 20, 2007, 06:38:23 PM
I am color-blind, too. I thought ETBU was blue and gold, HSU purple and gold, UMHB purple gold, and white, HPU and MissCollege old gold and navy blue, and LaCollege, blue and orange.  And that gets the Baptists.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on June 25, 2007, 03:31:47 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 20, 2007, 06:38:23 PM
I am color-blind, too. I thought ETBU was blue and gold, HSU purple and gold, UMHB purple gold, and white, HPU and MissCollege old gold and navy blue, and LaCollege, blue and orange.  And that gets the Baptists.

I really have no idea but you are most likely correct!  HSU may be purple and gold, since those two colors are typically connected with royalty.  ::)

My Cowgirls look good no matter what colors they dress in for an evening on the hardwood!   ;)

Your note made me think of the line from "A River Runs Through It" in which Methodists are describes as "Baptists who can read." 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 25, 2007, 05:32:05 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on June 25, 2007, 03:31:47 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 20, 2007, 06:38:23 PM
I am color-blind, too. I thought ETBU was blue and gold, HSU purple and gold, UMHB purple gold, and white, HPU and MissCollege old gold and navy blue, and LaCollege, blue and orange.  And that gets the Baptists.

I really have no idea but you are most likely correct!  HSU may be purple and gold, since those two colors are typically connected with royalty.  ::)

My Cowgirls look good no matter what colors they dress in for an evening on the hardwood!   ;)

Your note made me think of the line from "A River Runs Through It" in which Methodists are describes as "Baptists who can read." 
When I was in the Army, our prenatal records had a place for religious preference.

A rough IQ test was whether the patient could spell the denomination of her religious preference correctly. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sioux on July 03, 2007, 05:23:07 PM
What incoming freshman are coming to the following schools?

HPU
HSU
McM
MH-B
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 16, 2007, 09:08:35 PM
Congratulations to the Hardin-Simmons women (http://www.d3hoops.com).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 16, 2007, 09:28:01 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 16, 2007, 09:08:35 PM
Congratulations to the Hardin-Simmons women (http://www.d3hoops.com).
Ditto from the southside!  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on July 17, 2007, 09:51:46 AM
Add my congratulations to Coach Briggs and the entire team.  Very well done, indeed!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on July 18, 2007, 05:14:21 PM
Congratulations, Cowgirls!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on July 23, 2007, 10:32:32 AM
http://www.brownwoodbulletin.com/articles/2007/07/23/news/news01.txt

Sorry for the long link, but this news may please a lot of people in the ASC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 23, 2007, 11:37:45 AM
Do they also stock light bulbs? :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on July 23, 2007, 12:45:44 PM
It would be nice to have a brighter facility and I'm sure some McMurry fans would like some extra TP dispensers as well :).
Title: Re: HPU's new basketball court
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 24, 2007, 11:46:32 PM
HPU's new basketball court (http://www.reporternews.com/news/2007/jul/24/hpu-to-replace-basketball-court/)

I read 4 interesting sentences in the Abilene Reporter-News' story on the new basketball floor in Brownwood.

QuoteThe old floor was once used by the St. Louis Hawks professional basketball team.
...

Officials at the Brownwood Chamber of Commerce are delighted with prospect of the new floor. Brownwood was passed up for NCAA tournament games earlier this year due to the age and condition of the floor.

With the new floor, Brownwood could have a shot at hosting NCAA playoff games -- and the fans who would come to town to stay in local hotels and patronize local restaurants -- next spring.

It appears that the real reason that HPU didn't host the Sectional was due to facilities.

I hereby apologize to the D3Basketball Championship selection committee for suggesting something that was not quite correct.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on July 27, 2007, 10:26:11 AM
HPU will also be getting new basketball goals as a part of a grant from TexasBank. 

Still waiting to hear about the lights and the TP. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on July 29, 2007, 08:05:42 AM
Here's an update on Mary Slaughter:  (ETBU)

http://www.umsl-sports.com/sports/wbk/wbk_index.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 29, 2007, 09:16:26 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on July 29, 2007, 08:05:42 AM
Here's an update on Mary Slaughter:  (ETBU)

http://www.umsl-sports.com/sports/wbk/wbk_index.htm
One of the 2006-07 losses by D-2 UMSL was to D3 Hope College!

She has her work cut out for her.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on August 21, 2007, 07:47:31 PM
Well looking at next year schedule and HSU and HPU play twice in a week, twice in three games.  Who makes the schedule, the schools or the ASC?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 21, 2007, 10:19:47 PM
calhsu, the schedule goes thru a rotating format.  The ASC-West has travel partner games that seem to be scheduled at the discretion of the travel partners.  Please compare the McM-HSU games versus the HPU-SRSU games versus the TLU-Schreiner games versus the UMHB-CUA games.

Then the other 6 pairs of games are rotated.  Please click on the 2003-04 schedule to see how the schedule has "rotated" thru the years.  In 2003-04, the "back-to-back" pair was TLU-Schreiner, and Schreiner-TLU in 2004-05.  HSU and McMurry are playing SRSU and HPU in the middle of the rotation in 2007-08 again.  The ASC-West schedule rotates in 2008-09. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 21, 2007, 10:28:50 PM
Besides, I prefer to look at the schedule as requiring HPU to play McMurry and HSU four games in 10 days!   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on August 22, 2007, 12:57:38 AM
Your exactly right, as always.  Which is as it was last year.  The only reason I didn't mention it is I haven't taken the time to check the others schedules.  I have been checking for the lady Cowgirls update for a long time.  Oh by the way Ralph I was going to say that I almost got to see the football game in Oregon  but my schedule just would not allow it.  It would have been a eight hour car trip but I had another former student to go with me. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 22, 2007, 07:51:44 AM
Quote from: calhsu on August 22, 2007, 12:57:38 AM
...
Oh by the way Ralph I was going to say that I almost got to see the football game in Oregon  but my schedule just would not allow it.  It would have been a eight hour car trip but I had another former student to go with me. 
But no sacrifice is too great for your Cowboys!

Shucks on the schedule!  :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on August 29, 2007, 03:28:24 PM
Congratulations to Julie Goodenough on her induction into the Hardin Simmons Univeristy Athletics Hall of Fame. 

She had a career record of 188-54 while at HSU and is the winningest coach in school history.  Her last four teams advanced to at least the Division III Sweet 16.  She captured seven TIAA or American Southwest Conference titles.  She coached three All-Americans, 34 All-Conference selections and 46 Academic All-Conference selections.  Her teams won the first four ASC Conference Tournaments in league history. 

Congratulations, Coach Goodenough!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sioux on September 09, 2007, 11:56:56 PM
Saw the roster today for Hardin-Simmons. They have some nice transfers.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on September 14, 2007, 07:22:06 PM
What I noticed from the roster for HSU was only five returning players.

I also saw three recruits over 6'.   

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 14, 2007, 07:25:27 PM
Quote from: calhsu on September 14, 2007, 07:22:06 PM
What I noticed from the roster for HSU was only five returning players.

I also saw three recruits over 6'.   
It is a relative re-building year for HSU, and McMurry and HPU have plenty of guns coming back.

This should be a good one.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on September 15, 2007, 06:24:48 PM
ETBU loses only 1 starter in former Freshmen of the Year Mary Slaughter, but reload with 2 Juco and 1 d2 transfer.  There's no reason they won't be in the mix at the top of the conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on September 24, 2007, 10:25:52 PM
For some reason I checked the HSU roster and only the returning 5 were still listed.   Maybe they are just putting on info and pictures or something.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on October 11, 2007, 11:53:04 AM
Things ought to be cranking up pretty soon, shouldn't they?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 11, 2007, 12:28:22 PM
Practice for HPU starts up October 16th.  I'm guessing that would be the opening day for practice for all schools.

It should be an exciting race this year. 

HPU has returned quite a few players and have reloaded at the guard position.  They should have a great season barring any major injuries.

Looking at the all time leading scoring, it looks like Richardson from McMurry and Daniels from HPU should overtake the lead this year if they continue their usual performances.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on October 12, 2007, 04:01:06 PM
I heard some news that ETBU lost a few more than we thought they would.  (Lewis, Vallo, Slaughter and both Davis') They still have Shepard and Stewart, but they have definitely taken a hit if it's true.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 15, 2007, 09:20:44 PM
McMurry's Roster is out.  I recognize 10 from last year's playoff team, including Tarra Richardson, everybody except Symbri Tuttle, who graduated!  LIB!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sioux on October 16, 2007, 01:56:58 PM
What happened to the Tyson girl from Early, she had commited to McM, but she is not on the roster.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 16, 2007, 02:31:29 PM
Quote from: Sioux on October 16, 2007, 01:56:58 PM
What happened to the Tyson girl from Early, she had committed to McM, but she is not on the roster.
I am not sure.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on October 16, 2007, 07:27:37 PM
Guess women's polls will be out tomorrow or so, since the men's polls are out.  You know how much I LOVE polls. Gets me going for the year.  What say you for the top?  I say #1 HPU, #2 LIB (McM), #3 HSU but I could be wrong. Lord knows I missed it (sort of) last year. That's not how I would pick, but  thats how it will be....I think. My preseason player of the year Tara Richardson, could be co players with Mia. It should be a fun year. Looks like I'm still here to stir it up....been quiet all summer. You know it was killing me.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 16, 2007, 09:44:06 PM
Quote from: fanstand on October 16, 2007, 07:27:37 PM
Guess women's polls will be out tomorrow or so, since the men's polls are out.  You know how much I LOVE polls. Gets me going for the year.  What say you for the top?  I say #1 HPU, #2 LIB (McM), #3 HSU but I could be wrong. Lord knows I missed it (sort of) last year. That's not how I would pick, but  thats how it will be....I think. My preseason player of the year Tara Richardson, could be co players with Mia. It should be a fun year. Looks like I'm still here to stir it up....been quiet all summer. You know it was killing me.
I guess that I want to beat HPU and HSU all four times this year!   :)   :D   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on October 17, 2007, 11:05:58 AM
Amen, Ralph. We are starting on the same page this year! I hope for  really good things this year. The best ever I hope!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 17, 2007, 11:46:14 AM
AMERICAN SOUTHWEST CONFERENCE
2007-08 PRESEASON WOMEN'S BASKETBALL
HEAD COACHES/SIDs/MEDIA POLL
West Division
Team (1st place votes) Pts. 2006-07 Record
1. Howard Payne (20) ............ 188............ 28-2, 20-1 ASC
2. Hardin-Simmons (3)............ 157............ 21-5, 18-3 ASC
3. McMurry (1)......................... 152............ 24-5, 19-2 ASC
4. Mary Hardin-Baylor ............ 121.......... 16-10, 14-7 ASC
5. Concordia-Austin ................ 87............ 8-16, 8-13 ASC
6. Schreiner ............................ 69............ 6-19, 6-15 ASC
7. Sul Ross State .................... 49............ 6-18, 4-17 ASC
8. Texas Lutheran .................. 41............ 1-24, 4-17 ASC
East Division
Team (1st place votes) Pts. 2006-07 Record
1. East Texas Baptist (16) ...... 141............ 22-5, 17-3 ASC
2. Texas-Tyler (2).................... 112............ 17-8, 14-6 ASC
3. Mississippi College (2)......... 107.......... 16-10, 11-9 ASC
4. Texas-Dallas ........................ 87.......... 11-15, 8-12 ASC
5. Ozarks ................................. 61............ 9-17, 7-13 ASC
6. Louisiana College (1) .......... 54............ 8-16, 6-14 ASC
7. LeTourneau ......................... 26............ 4-21, 1-19 ASC

HPU's Meia Daniels and ETBU's Sade' Stewart are the Preseason Players of the Year
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 25, 2007, 12:17:11 AM
McMurry women start with two In-Region games at Colorado College, St Thomas (http://www.tommiesports.com/wbb/roster/) and St Olaf (http://www.stolaf.edu/athletics/basketball/women/) of the Minnesota IAC.

These teams will have some height to them, so we can see how McMurry responds.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 25, 2007, 01:57:30 PM
HPU is heading out to California to start the season against the University of the Redlands and a rematch against Chapman. 

That is if those wildfires haven't blown through those areas.  Definitely have the people of California in your thoughts.



Have any teams had any unexpected surprises in camp as far as new players, loss of players, or current players coming back looking better than expected?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on October 25, 2007, 08:11:27 PM
Just to give everyone a few tidbits on the Lady Choctaws, they brought in a very talented group of newcomers.

They open the season with an exhibition game against Alabama in Tuscaloosa. Here is a link to this year's roster  http://www.gochoctaws.com/roster.asp?path=wbball
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 31, 2007, 10:34:30 AM
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp

The WBCA Preseason poll is out.  HPU ranked 3rd to start the season and even received 1 vote for first place.

It surprises me that McMurry didn't place in the Top 25.  I guess they expect there to be a big drop off with a new coach and a new point guard?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 31, 2007, 10:37:43 AM
Quote from: dballa on October 31, 2007, 10:34:30 AM
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp

The WBCA Preseason poll is out.  HPU ranked 3rd to start the season and even received 1 vote for first place.

It surprises me that McMurry didn't place in the Top 25.  I guess they expect there to be a big drop off with a new coach and a new point guard?

Off the radar screen... that is good.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 31, 2007, 10:41:00 AM
Quote from: dballa on October 31, 2007, 10:34:30 AM
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp

The WBCA Preseason poll is out.  HPU ranked 3rd to start the season and even received 1 vote for first place.

It surprises me that McMurry didn't place in the Top 25.  I guess they expect there to be a big drop off with a new coach and a new point guard?
I notice that UPS coach Suzy Barcomb is on the panel of voters.

UPS knocked both McM and HPU out of the tourney.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 31, 2007, 10:50:33 AM
So is Trinity's coach.  I'm wondering if she's the one that had the first place vote for HPU since she has played them the past few years including a big loss to start last season.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on October 31, 2007, 11:24:54 AM
Polls Suck.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BBenthusiast on October 31, 2007, 03:01:26 PM
Now there is a comment that the Fanstand that I have grown to know and love would make.  Where u been Fanstand?  You are usually mixing it up really good by now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on October 31, 2007, 05:00:25 PM
I'm trying to be a grown up. Not working very well. I've been biting my tongue, of course, I have opinions. They will eventually come out, just trying to be civil at this point.  I can only be quiet for so long....... but I am ready for LIB to once again be a surprise.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BBenthusiast on October 31, 2007, 05:16:35 PM
I say..quit biting ur tongue and spit it out!  Let's get this party started.  I don't know about u but I find this "kinder, gentler" board a little boring! ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 31, 2007, 09:45:05 PM
Well BBenthusiast, there is not much smack that we can talk.

McMurry will be working thru a new coach and a new point guard.  We lost in the first round to a fundamentally better Puget Sound team.  All of the hype that we had last year did not help us against a team that wasn't even in the Top 25 before the playoff and made it as a Pool C bid.  The players are finding out what Coach Snow sees that needs work.

HPU was ranked second going into the playoffs, only to be beaten by that same fundamentally sound Puget Sound team on a neutral floor.  Meia Daniels and HPU did not score a breakaway goal until 4 minutes left into the game.  UPS showed a better defense, got more points from their bench and held HPU to a 0-8 from 3FG and only  23.7% FG  for the game.  UPS even came from a halftime deficit to beat HPU (http://www2.ups.edu/athletics/wbasketball/0607/ups0309.htm).

HSU missed the playoffs by the slimmest of margins, probably the early-season overtime loss to Southwestern.  The Cowgirls fell to HPU three times last year.

ETBU swept the East and yet did not have enough South Region (non-conference) games to earn a Pool C bid.  The Lady Lions lost their coach in the off-season.

Miss College has lost All-American Lacey Kennedy.  They probably have players who can fill that void, but they aren't going to be boasting in the pre-season.

UT-Tyler is eligible for the post-season for the first time.  We can see what they can do.

Not much smack for us to talk.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BBenthusiast on October 31, 2007, 10:19:43 PM
Thanks Ralph for breaking all that down for me.  Don't think I'm looking for smack....just looking for someone to show some enthusiam for their team.  Just knew I could count on Fanstand.....She is such an avid believer!   I BELIEVE that my team in particular will build on their shortcomings from last season and give their fans alot to be proud of!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 01, 2007, 04:55:04 PM
now the d3hoops poll is out http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/

Definitely the highest HPU has ever started a season and McMurry is at #10.  No HSU in sight.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 01, 2007, 08:49:18 PM
Quote from: dballa on November 01, 2007, 04:55:04 PM
now the d3hoops poll is out http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/

Definitely the highest HPU has ever started a season and McMurry is at #10.  No HSU in sight.
At least not to the national audience.

We ASC fans know exactly where to find the Cowgirls, and they aren't hiding in the ASC!   ;)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 02, 2007, 05:57:03 PM
I have the impression that the McM fans, at least, are a bit disappointed at this point.  I was at the midnight (actually, 10:30) unveiling of the teams, and some of the regulars who are more knowledgeable about basketball than I am had hoped to see some new, taller, bigger players, or more weight on the returning ones.  We were defeated last year by an HPU team that had a bunch of tall, fast players.  The fans worried that this would be another season where we would get the ball and then just pass it back and forth around the perimeter waiting for an opening and hoping the shot clock wouldn't run out, because we didn't have anyone who could take it in or because Tarra was so triple-teamed that nobody could get the ball to her.  If we McM fans wanted a bigger, meaner team this year, we don't have it.  But with any luck we will have an experienced, motivated team which can make up with smarts and heart what it lacks in sheer physical strength.  And we also have a coach who is not a new, untried entity but someone whose dedication and savvy helped get earlier McM teams into the playoffs.  Veronica will maximize the talent that this team has.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 02, 2007, 06:40:58 PM
I did not make it to Midnight Madness unfortunately, but I think having 10 returners will make us smarter.  I am anything but disappointed. I am excited for this season to begin.  I know we have been physically faster and in very good shape for the past several years.  Especially at the first of the season when we really seem to really beat everyone.  Its a new season, with an enthusiastic coach who knows ALOT about basketball.  The assistant coach is back.  This team lost to HPU 2 times, HSU once and a pretty good UW Stout team and then in the playoffs.  Yes Symbri left a big hole, but all great players eventually graduate, someone will slide into her spot and carry on.  And thank God for d3 hoops poll!  I believe in LIB. Knowing this team, I like the underdog role. Everyone thinks they have been lucky the past 3 years, I know better. ETBU was picked in the East...they lost their coach and two of their best players. Someone believes in them.  Only time will tell...........
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 04, 2007, 05:18:19 PM
Halftime score from Alabama, the Lady Choctaws trail the Crimson Tide 28-26 in an exhibition game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 04, 2007, 06:34:23 PM
The Lady Choctaws stayed with Bama for much of the game and trailed 53-40 with five minutes to play, but ended up losing 67-44. MC was able to play all 15 players who made the trip.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 05, 2007, 08:30:40 PM
I understand that LIB had a great scrimmage last weekend.  The McMurry Ladies are tweaking their game in ways that Coach Snow sees that can improve upon their performances from 2006-07.

They are improving their conditioning, also.

This should be an excellent transition.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on November 09, 2007, 10:58:19 PM
Like many of us 'older' fans, I remember what Coach Snow did for us especially with those late 90's teams.  But, I've never seen her style as a head coach.  I too don't want to see us pass it around the perimeter for 25 seconds then force up a shot.  What kind of style of play can we expect with Coach Snow?  Will we see the maroon penetrate and drive to the basket more? 

Like many of you have already expressed...This is exciting.  New year, new records...Everybody's got a chance!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 09, 2007, 11:11:10 PM
Hey Jungle!  Good to have you back on the boards.

I will appreciate your early analysis!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 09, 2007, 11:17:25 PM
I went to the HPU scrimmage tonight against Tarleton State.  Daniels and Blalock are looking stronger than ever.  TSU won the first 20 mins by 7 then the Lady Jackets won the 2nd 20 mins by 1 pt but had an 8 pt lead late.  TSU has a really athletic, aggressive, and talented team.  HPU played with them the whole time and even wore them down in the 2nd 20 minutes. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 12, 2007, 01:49:46 PM
Congrats to Meia Daniels and Tarra Richardson for being on the D3Hoops 1st Team Pre-Season All-American team.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 13, 2007, 06:57:31 PM
Mississippi College scrimmaged Jackson State Saturday in the Golden Dome and won the opening 20-minute half by 4 points with both teams playing what looked to be regular season rotations of players. MC lost the second half by 6 points with both teams going much deeper into the bench.

It was a scrimmage so you take it for what it's worth, but Jackson State is a DI member of the SWAC that went 22-10 last year and earned an invitation to the WNIT with a 22-10 record. They are picked second in the ten-member SWAC this year.

I'm looking forward to a much improved MC team based on that scrimmage and their impressive showing against Alabama.  We are playing a full DIII nonconference schedule and will host McMurry, Howard Payne and Hardin-Simmons. We play Millsaps twice, Rhodes, Piedmont and Hendrix as nonconference opponents so I should get a good luck at several teams around the South Region this year.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 13, 2007, 11:49:54 PM
Chris, you have a great non-conference schedule.

Your non-conference (South in-region) games will help if you make the NCAA's.

A strong showing by Miss Coll will definitely help your opponents.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 14, 2007, 12:46:58 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 13, 2007, 11:49:54 PM
Chris, you have a great non-conference schedule.

Your non-conference (South in-region) games will help if you make the NCAA's.

A strong showing by Miss Coll will definitely help your opponents.

Ralph,
   I think so too, they will definitely get a boost to their OWP and will have an opportunity to make a name for themselves with a few wins. Hendrix (19-7, 9-5 SCAC) and Rhodes (16-10, 7-7 SCAC) both are coming off good seasons. Piedmont finished 18-8, 10-2 in the GSAC and lost in the 1st round of the NCAA Tourney at Randolph-Macon. Hopefully, Millsaps will have a better season (3-20, 1-12) since we play them twice.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 14, 2007, 10:09:54 AM
Chris, you get the OOWP with Millsaps.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 15, 2007, 10:38:34 AM
Hardin-Simmons' early match-up with Benedictine, IL (Northern Athletics Conference) could be interesting, especially if the Eagles' Tamika Curtis has a big game inside. It could come down to how well Benedictine's defense slows down the other players, IMHO.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 16, 2007, 04:56:49 PM
Saw the feed on the game for LIB. No sound, so I had to kind of wing it.  It was probably 70 to 58 or so. Or something like that, the camera guy didn't show the final score.  It was 68 to 54 with less than 2 minutes to go. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on November 16, 2007, 06:02:08 PM
McMurry beat St. Thomas 70-60.  It was a defensive struggle for both teams.  Both teams played aggressive, intense defense.  St Thomas is a physical, very well coached team so it was a good win for McM. We play tough defense and kept out compusure when St. Thomas made a run in the second half.  Once again Tarra Richardson led the way offensively.  We struggled a bit on offense but there was a lot of motion and many good cuts and passes to the basket for lay ups.  Their defense in my estimation was a reason for our struggles on defense. 

In my opinion, St. Thomas is the caliber of a UMHB or a lttle bit better in the ASC West.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 16, 2007, 06:52:14 PM
The Tommies are picked to finish 6th in the MIAC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on November 16, 2007, 09:04:36 PM
Well done Blue Devil!  I knew we count on you...Not only a score, a little insight too!  I'll be looking for you posting tonight on the men's side as well.

Go Indians!  Wait...Umm....Ah well...Go Indians!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 16, 2007, 11:59:53 PM
HPU won 71-60 over Chapman in a rematch of last years 2nd round playoff matchup.

For HPU Stacey Blalock had 26 pts and Meia Daniels had 11 pts.

With HPU's height all they had to do was get the ball inside.  Chapman's little guards did cause a lot of problems with their pressure as they've done to a lot of teams forcing 33 HPU TO's.

HPU outrebounded Chapman 35-23 and at the free throw line HPU made 32 of 39 compared to Chapman's 15-17.

Good start to the season with a win out on the west coast but a lot of things to improve on with a young bench.  They knew where their strength was tonight though and that was on the inside with Stacey.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 17, 2007, 11:00:40 PM
Millsaps handed the Lady Choctaws a bad 57-55 loss today on a basket with .3 seconds remaining. Lots of missed shots from the outside against a Lady Major zone and a ton of turnovers, not a good way to start the season. The Lady Choctaws shot 33 percent from the field, 26 percent in the second half. MC gets another opportunity at Rhodes Tuesday.

I will give Millsaps credit. They have a new coach and five of the eight players were new. I wouldn't be surprised to see them hovering around the .500 mark at the end of the season. I have watched them for the last 3-4 years and that's by far the most talent they have had. They should be competitive in the SCAC this year which is a big improvement.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 17, 2007, 11:50:06 PM
LIB (McM) wins the Colorado College tourney.

Tarra Richardson is MVP!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 18, 2007, 12:24:45 AM
HPU 66 Redlands 49 Final.

Redlands were up 23-12 in the first half and HPU went on a 14-0 run to close out the first half to lead 26-23.  They then scored 9 more unanswered to go up 35-23 before Redlands scored. 

Meia Daniels had 23 pts 8 rebs 5 assts and 7 stls.  She hit some big 3's during the runs to take the lead.
Kim Hoffman had 11pts 12 rebs.
Stacey Blalock had 13 pts and was named MVP after posting 26 pts in the first game as well.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BBenthusiast on November 18, 2007, 09:17:20 AM
HPU  wins the Redlands University tourney!  Stacey Blalock is MVP.
Mia Daniels named to all tourney team.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 18, 2007, 11:34:11 AM
Final:  Hardin-Simmons 67, Benedictine, IL 55.

Props to the Cowgirls.

From Benedictine's box score, sounds like the Eagles' Curtis got her points but it wasn't enough for them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 20, 2007, 08:06:42 PM
The Lady Choctaws won at Rhodes 60-56 tonight. Game just ended so I don't have any stats yet.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 20, 2007, 11:17:22 PM
Wow how quiet is this board? Where is everybody?  My internet is down and I'm off this week, so I have been out of pocket to post. Congrats to Tarra as the ASC player of the week.  There were a lot of good performances around the league.  LIB 2-0. Yeehaw. They are headed to Tennessee over the holiday, hopefully will be as victorious.  Good luck and safe travel to everyone on the roads.  I have to wait until Dec. 1st to actually see a game.  Its killing me...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2007, 10:33:27 AM
I wondered how Chapman stayed close to HPU last weekend.  dballa has this report on Chapman's defensive strategy.

QuoteHPU's Coach K did say that Chapman was much improved over last year.  Chapman double teamed Meia Daniels the whole game which I thought was a big mistake because it left their undersized posts to guard a very good Stacey Blalock one on one who scored 26 pts on them.

You also have to remember location played a big part in both games.  Chapman never plays in front of more than a couple hundred fans and when they came into Brownwood, TX in front of almost 4,500 fans, that had to be a little intimidating.  Then this year playing in California, HPU had to do the traveling and Chapman didn't have as far to go, as well as playing in front of a very small crowd.

The way to beat HPU may be to have the best defense that HPU has seen.  Puget Sound held Daniels to one fastbreak basket at the end of the Sweet 16 game last March.

Saying that is one thing.  Our seeing that defensive quality in the ASC is something else.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 21, 2007, 02:56:28 PM
LIB is on the road.  They were suited up and practicing at 8:00 this morning before they left.  They spend tonight in Nashville (no doubt getting inspired by the local music), and continue to Maryville on Thursday.  Good luck and have a safe trip!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 21, 2007, 03:37:19 PM
I don't know if anybody noticed but HSU lost to Trinity 70-51 and UMHB lost to Trinity 72-58.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2007, 04:58:49 PM
Quote from: dballa on November 21, 2007, 03:37:19 PM
I don't know if anybody noticed but HSU lost to Trinity 70-51 and UMHB lost to Trinity 72-58.
But only beat UT-D by 4.

The losses by HSU and UMHB (and UT-D) to Trinity hurt us in the OWP and the OOWP.

This is a strong Trinity team.  We may be seeing 3 teams in Texas for the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2007, 09:04:18 PM
Birmingham-Southern (http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?year=2008&team=womens&school=Birmingham-Southern) should be a tough game for McMurry.

BSC lost to D-1 Centenary LA only by 3.

BSC's Reba Ross started 2 years ago on the D-1 team, and Morgan Talbot was getting double digit minutes.

Those women are leading BSC this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 22, 2007, 11:29:36 PM
Ralph Happy Thanksgiving,

I agree with you there we may see 3 teams from Texas.  Of course we're just a couple games into the season and anything can happen.

That game against BSC could be a tough one but should be winnable(is that a word?)

HPU plays Sul Ross to start conference play on Monday at a time that I won't get to see them.  3pm on a work day just isn't the greatest time to play a game, especially a conference game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 23, 2007, 06:01:31 PM
I dunno, fellers. 

Unless Oglethorpe is going to fall flat on their face for no good reason, I don't know if Trinity is better than they are over the course of the season.  Can both of them and DePauw all get to 23-5 or better? 

Yet another factor would be if the SCAC can put 3 teams in, which seems unlikely.

On the other hand, the good news for TU is that they see both DePauw and Oglethorpe only one time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 23, 2007, 06:28:23 PM
I think that Trinity has picked up some good South Region wins, and one of those teams might show up in the regional rankings.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 23, 2007, 08:52:55 PM
According to the BSC women's basketball site, BSC beat McM tonight 63-57.  Hopefully the LIB will pull it together for tomorrow's game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 23, 2007, 08:57:48 PM
The "undefeated" yoke fell off McMurry in the loss to BSC.

We can get a good idea of how good they are in their games vs. DPU, Oglethorpe and Trinity.

I still think that they have some D-1 talent playing for them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 24, 2007, 03:51:10 PM
The Greensboro page shows McMurry beating Greensboro in the second game of the Maryville tournament, 70-49.  Congratulations, LIB!  Now, just have a safe trip home -- we're under a heavy snow warning right now in Abilene, though nothing is happening at the moment.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2007, 07:23:10 PM
Stats McM Greensboro (http://www.gborocollege.edu/athletics/sports/Wbasketball/wb0708/gcw1124.htm)

McM led 62-28 with 9:02 left in the game.

Lots of players got lots of time tonight (and in the first game for that matter).

No score on BSC and Maryville TN
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2007, 08:14:04 PM
BSC-McM stat sheet. (http://www.bscsports.net/Sports/wbball/2007-08/GAME-03.HTM)

The BSC-McM game was a 3-8 point game all thru the second half.

I am really impressed with the effort.  Sure, there are places in the game to improve, but I can see how LIB can grow from this game!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 25, 2007, 07:50:26 PM
Thanks to Marcus Fitzsimmons' who gave props to McM'sTarra Richardson for her offense and to Amber Horton for her defense.

He really liked Horton's in-your-face style of defense!

The Hoopsville South Region interview begins about 35 minutes into the second hour.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 26, 2007, 03:14:50 PM
HPU and Sul Ross tip off at 3pm today.  That game can be heard on the internet from the HPU website.

That isn't exactly an ideal time, especially for the first conference game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 26, 2007, 03:43:37 PM
However, it lets SRSU get back home just after midnight!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 26, 2007, 03:52:22 PM
They could have played it Saturday afternoon or during January at a time when neither team had class the next day.  Then the team could stay overnight if needed.

I would rather do that and have people in the stands than have an empty house for a home opener.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 26, 2007, 04:43:11 PM
I am looking forward to seeing LIB in person this week.  Checking out the team that beat them on Friday, last year they played in the same DI conference as the team Julie Goodenough coaches, they have 3 or 4 players from that team playing this year.  How does that work? Are they provisional? I was just curious.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 26, 2007, 04:57:44 PM
They are provisional, kind of like Miss. College was when they came to the conference.  They won't be able to win anything until all their scholarship players are gone.


HPU 48 SRSU 31 early in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 26, 2007, 05:04:58 PM
HPU 56 SRSU 36 just under 14 mins to go in the game.

HPU was up I think 36-29 at the half then started the 2nd half on a big run.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 26, 2007, 05:35:07 PM
HPU 84 SRSU 51 Final

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 27, 2007, 12:20:51 PM
McMurry only lost one vote (329 to 328 votes) in the Top 25 balloting after the loss to BSC.

Let's thank the voters who seriously considered that 6 point loss (3-8 point deficit all thru the 2nd half) to a former D-1 team on a neutral court.  The voters believed that that was a representative outcome, (in the first weeks of the season), by us in playing BSC which was up by 24 points early in the second half versus Maryville, on Maryville's home court.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 27, 2007, 05:30:06 PM
The voters seem more impressed with the LIB than we at McMurry, since we call the outcome of the game an "upset" on the women's basketball page at http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/wbball/2007/11/23/112307wbb.asp!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 28, 2007, 09:04:44 AM
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp

The new Coaches Poll came out with HPU #1 in the nation.  Amazing they received that when they only received 1 first place vote and another team received 4.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 29, 2007, 09:49:01 PM
Mississippi College loses 70-50 at Concordia tonight. Just couldn't handle the ball with a school record 46 turnovers for MC in the game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2007, 11:16:23 PM
UMHB 70, LaCollege 61.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2007, 03:07:14 PM
Mini-rant here!  And I hope the ETBU Brain trust will help us here.

ETBU is only 1-3 coming into the McMurry game.

The loss to UL-Monroe as a money game is okay, but the rest of D3 doesn't care how good NAIA Wiley and LSU-S are.  When at large bids are considered, those games count as nothing!  I will boldly state that had ETBU played 2 or 3 non-conference D3 (in-region) opponents last season, and won them, then they would have earned a Pool C bid in 2007!

The rest of D3 could have seen a 3-1 ETBU (with 3 wins over D3's) playing a 3-1 #11 McMurry.  A good game by ETBU would be recognized nationally.

We ASC schools need to look at any way that we can heighten our profile across D3. Play the money game with UL-Monroe (and maybe even one cross-town game versus Wiley), and then find a D-3 tourney where you pick up at least one in-region game versus a "respected" and "known" D3 team.

McMurry's game at Maryville TN will be judged because Birmingham-Southern is a high profile team that will play several strong squads including Oglethorpe, DePauw and Trinity as well.

I hope that next year, that ETBU women will find a way to raise their profile.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2007, 04:02:58 PM
Final McMurry 79, ETBU 62.

There are more that 420 women's teams in D-3, and very few know how good ETBU is.

I hope they can schedule more D-3 non-conference games (especially in-region) games in the coming years.

It will help ETBU and the entire ASC.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: grizwald on December 01, 2007, 04:12:12 PM
According to the HPU website the girls beat University of the Ozarks 88-24.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 01, 2007, 04:26:49 PM
Final from McMurry: McM 79, ETBU 62
McM started slow (cold might be a better word), letting ETBU build up a solid lead of over 10 points, and then finally caught fire in the second part of the first half and pulled ahead by halftime.  We never trailed after that, but ETBU refused to go away even though some of their key players like #41 got into foul trouble and had to sit a good part of the second half.  The final score, with McM free throws after ETBU started fouling us, is misleading; it only got that high in the last minute or two. What will be interesting will be to see who will fill Simbri Tuttle's shoes for McM; will it be #15 Dominique Brown?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2007, 05:06:18 PM
UMHB 68, Miss College 62.

Coach Paul Allen Duke talked about execution.  The new players have not jelled.

Fewer turnovers.

In the first 8 minutes of the second half, the Lady Choctaws did not play with urgency.

UMHB was 21-27 on Ft's.

Miss College was 15-25 on FT's.

Miss College goes 0-2 on this road trip!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 01, 2007, 09:50:34 PM
The HPU game against the Ozarks wasn't even as close as the final scored showed even at 88-24.  HPU was up 48-6 at the half.  The score was 4-2 Ozarks a couple minutes into the game then HPU woke up and really took it to them.  HPU's defense was outstanding today holding Ozarks to 24% shooting and causing 34 TO's.

Daniels and Blalock each had 20 pts. 

Now they play Dallas Christian on Tuesday in a game that could actually see the score be even worse than today's. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 02, 2007, 05:35:35 PM
Was glad to see LIB in action yesterday.  It will take us awhile to get all of our ducks in a row.  We have some speed in #15 and #5.  ETBU is a very good team and played well, but got into foul trouble.  We played well inside, our outside shooting wasn't there yesterday, but that won't stay that way.  Hope to have a really good game against Letu tomorrow, where everyone gets to play and relax with good fundamental bball.  But if I remember they shoot lots of outside shots which can really hurt if they are on.  Go LIB!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 02, 2007, 06:50:28 PM
For any HPU fans out there (read: dballa!), a friend from church who is an Ozarks alum drove down to Brownwood yesterday for the game.  I don't think he expected his team to win, but I don't think he expected them to be totally blown away the way they were.  The words he kept using to describe the Lady Jackets were "ferocious" and "machine."

He also mentioned dedication of a new floor and scoreboard.  Does this mean we can't make cracks about The Mausoleum any more on this board?  Of course, it doesn't sound like any renovation was done on the famous Mausoleum restrooms...  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on December 02, 2007, 09:00:33 PM
Ozarks is now 0-4.   Who will be the first the beat HPU?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2007, 11:06:36 PM
Quote from: jmnaseum on December 02, 2007, 09:00:33 PM
Ozarks is now 0-4.   Who will be the first the beat HPU?
Maybe at McMurry on February 7th, or at HSU on February 9th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BBenthusiast on December 02, 2007, 11:27:02 PM
Maybe or maybe not!  "Horrid Pain" as u so affectionately refer to them just might be playing their best ball in Feb.  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2007, 12:12:51 AM
Yeah, you notice that I said "maybe".

The Mausoleum (I agree, mcmfan, it will be the Mausoleum until they triple the lights to Division I quality and fix the bathrooms and add triple deluxe TP dispensers so the civilized Abilene women will feel safe going into them!  :D  :D  :D  :o  ::) ) has a new floor and may let HPU host a sectional this year.

I want to give big time props to Coach K for his California road trip which counted as in-region wins!  That is a big deal that helps the conference!  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 03, 2007, 11:21:06 AM
I feel HPU is the team to beat, because of their returners and they have the same coach, but we all know too well, no one in this conference is unbeatable.  There was an article in the abilene reporternews yesterday all about HPU and Coach K. I hope LIB is playing their best ball in February also, unlike the past two years where we peaked a little early.  As for the TP issue, I'm just gonna pack tissues this year so I will be prepared during those games at the mausoleum!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on December 03, 2007, 11:37:35 AM
HPU did our part with the new floor, goals, scoreboard,scoring table, chairs,etc.  I am on the board of trustees and I am proud we got that done with a huge assist from Texas Bank and others.  As most of you know, the facility is owned by the City of Brownwood and I will commit to ask them to work to at least have toilet paper for McMurry! Not sure about any other upgrades.  I am just thrilled to replace the floor after 43, yes 43, years!  And the floor was 10 years old even in 1964. Our new floor had 3 NCAA regional games played on it in New Jersey last March--about as close to brand new as you can get.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 03, 2007, 11:54:18 AM
Rick we missed you at the games and the dedication on Saturday but I know you were having fun up in Dover.

I know the players are really proud of their upgraded facility and it really showed on Saturday with both teams winning rather easily.  It helps not having a dead spot every 5 feet :)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BBenthusiast on December 03, 2007, 11:58:59 AM
Rick, thanks to you and all of those who worked so hard to make the needed imporvements become a reality.  It is definitely AWESOME! Ralph, fanstand and mcmfan....don't worry you won't be dissapointed.  Well, I mean not with the facility...but u better bring extra soft tissue to wipe those tears that you might shed on that last day in January!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 03, 2007, 12:02:06 PM
As far as the TP goes,  I'm sure HPU and the fans will do their best to make both McMurry players and fans as uncomfortable as possible in Brownwood :)

Two (wo)men are occupying booths in a public toilet, when one calls to the other,
"There is no toilet paper over here, do you have any over there?"
The second (wo)man replies, "No, sorry, I don't seem to have any, either."
The first (wo)man then asks, "Well, do you have a magazine or newspaper?"
The second (wo)man says, "No, sorry!"
The first (wo)man goes silent for a few moments, then inquires, "Do you have change for a twenty?"
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 03, 2007, 12:24:31 PM
The operative word there is MAN!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 03, 2007, 12:32:13 PM
fixed ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2007, 01:30:33 PM
Quote from: dballa on December 03, 2007, 11:54:18 AM
Rick we missed you at the games and the dedication on Saturday but I know you were having fun up in Dover.

I know the players are really proud of their upgraded facility and it really showed on Saturday with both teams winning rather easily.  It helps not having a dead spot every 5 feet :)
I was watching McM-HPU basketball in the Mausoleum before Rick even dribbled a ball for the Old Gold and Navy Blue! ;)

I seriously doubt that the HPU seniors will learn where the "dead spots" aren't by the end of the season.  That floor is going to be so good, that it will seem like a neutral floor!   :D

Big game in the ASC this Saturday!  McM-HSU!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 03, 2007, 08:55:59 PM
What was the final at McM?

HSU 91 ETBU 67

UT Tyler 96 Schreiner 80
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2007, 10:43:21 PM
McM 67, LeTU 51

http://livestats.internetconsult.com/mcmurry/wbball/
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on December 04, 2007, 02:42:08 PM
Please HPU fans do not take this the wrong way.  I do have all the respect in the world for Coach Kielsmeier and the HPU program.  However I hope all fans realize that there is only one "Coach K". The original and only Coach K resides in Durham, NC.  If Coach Kielsmeier can reach 10 final fours and win 3  national titles then maybe we can call him by that name.  Until then I propose that he goes by his full name or Coach K II.

Thanks  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 04, 2007, 03:56:01 PM
I think it's funny you're comparing a coach who hasn't even coached 10 yrs to a coach who has coached over 30 yrs. 

Just for the fun of it let's compare records for the first few years.

At Army older Coach K was 73-59 in the 70's.

At Duke through his first 5 season he was 85-65.


HPU's Coach K through his first 5 seasons was 94-37 in less games.

Give the man time, after all I don't think Duke's Coach K has the copyright on the name :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 04, 2007, 04:19:56 PM
I just read on the HPU website the game tonight against Dallas Christian has been postponed.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on December 04, 2007, 04:47:59 PM
I knew I would rile up some HPU fans. I was serious about what I posted but much of it was tongue in cheek.  However dballa, it is crazy to compare the first years of their respective careers.  Even when the "real" Coach K was at Army, I believe his competition was a bit stiffer.  Then it is even crazier to compare Coach Kielsmeier's record with Coach K's record his first five years at Duke.  Especially when you consider Duke was playing against teams like unc who had some guy name Jordan on their team and NC State who won a national title.

My point is this, you can't compare the two, but when I hear the phrase "Coach K" there is only one person that comes to mind.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 04, 2007, 05:07:12 PM
I know the two are completely different, there's a huge gap between major DI schools and anybody below.  But you were talking about accomplishments and accolades that were not won and earned until later in his career.

At the DIII level HPU has played against ranked opponents and against two national players of the year.

At the DIII level playing against ranked teams and players of that caliber is equal to that of a DI playing against the same.

You look at Mount Union in football, do you think they could hang with USC, UT, LSU and those guys? I doubt it but look at what they've done on their level.  I would say that rivals any accomplishments any DI school has done at the DI level.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BBenthusiast on December 04, 2007, 11:14:04 PM
McM Blue Devil I have to confess that I too thought there was only one Coach K and he is (of course) in Brownwood.  With no disrepect to your Coach K, I think you might be a little bit sensitive. We are a long way from North Carolina down here in Texas.  I understand that we updated the coliseum and everyone now realizes that the lady jackets are for real (remember all the doubters last season?) but I think if you keep looking you will probably come up with something reasonable to be critical over. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 05, 2007, 12:11:16 AM
Doubters?  There were no doubters last season!  We knew HPU was good.  We had seen several ASC teams in the playoffs over the last decade.  (I will post my thoughts on the Best ASC teams later on this season.) 

More realistically, HPU was the #1 seed in the Women's tourney!  They were the only team to get a bye in the 63-team field.

#2 HPU was defeated on a neutral floor by an unranked team (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/07/week13.htm) that had a record vs. D-3 teams of 22-6 last year.  The stat sheet shows that UPS held the Lady Jackets to one fast break bucket for the entire game.  Those taller, slower players were able to match HPU's speed and quickness by solid fundamental defense!  That 22-6 D-3 record tells me that there are more competitive conferences around the country than the "ASC Big 4" and the rest of the ASC.

After listening to the McMurry (Round #1) game versus UPS, the UPS versus George Fox and then the HPU Sweet 16 game vs. UPS, I came away from the playoffs with a much more subdued impression of ASC Women's basketball.  I now believe that HSU was very lucky to get to the Final Four (Cinderella?), and very lucky to play within 10 points in both of their games.

I think that we have much more to prove on a national level.  I believe that the Chapman and Redlands wins are valuable for the sake of the NCAA's.  I think that HPU has a great chance to be seeded highly in the 2008 tourney.  However, I think that we do not match well with the taller, larger teams from the Northwest (West Region), Midwest (Central Region) and Great Lakes Region teams.

We ASC fans need to be very careful in our assessments of our teams.  We have one school that has won a Sweet 16 game...HSU beat McMurry in 2000, the 2004 HSU team that romped thru the South Region until losing in the Elite 8 at UW-SP in 2004 and the HSU team in 2006 that beat Pac Luth in OT in the Sweet 16 and the ODAC winner, Randolph-Macon, as they made the Final Four.



Three posts down, our friend, hsusid, has a very detailed and authoritative post on his experience/impressions at the NCAA's.  It makes excellent reading and gives much "food-for- thought" as we try to "break out" as a conference.
+1  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 05, 2007, 10:19:39 AM
Ralph, I believe that the year HSU went to the Final Four, we (ASC) had 3 really strong teams.  I think LIB was really the best team that year, but the conference tournament in Mississippi was very draining on that team. They played 3 games and then returned home on Monday, only to learn they would have to play HSU or HPU in another tourney.  I think those 3 teams were very good that year.  HSU got a second chance and really capitalized on it.  The lack of Div II colleges in the north and east really helps them recruit some of the "big" girls, that don't go DI. Some of our better players around the Big Country get scholarships to DII schools in Texas.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 05, 2007, 11:44:44 AM
Yes there were doubters last year.  I was one.  I was wrong in my first challange and right on in my second.  When I looked at last years regular season schedule I couldn't believe that HPU would get through HSU and MCM in two weeks back to back.  I was wrong they cut through the ASC like a hot knife through  butter.
I wondered how well they would do in the big dance, and well, we all know how well that went.  No disrespect but they have that hurdule to jump over to be a national respected team. And I am not suggesting they don't deserve the high ranking now.  Polls make you feel great about your team, enjoy it while you can.  It took years of HSU of going to the tourney, winning a game or two.  Then with a team that didn't gel till they thought they were gone, they go to the final four.
There are two seasons.  Regular season and post season.  HPU has been the undisputed champ for a couple of years of the regular season.  They are the team to beat.  The ASC seems as it has been for years now, three teams and the rest. (MHB has been on the bubble)   
I have no feel for this HSU team.  They should be a winning team but can't tell yet more than that.  Saturday will give us some more clue if the new faces are for real.  If MCM wins as they have for the last several years in the December game I still will not know much.  I have noticede that HSU coach brings here team together slowly.  (knowing it is the last games you play that mean something)  If HSU was to win Saturday then you have a more interesting ASC this year.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on December 05, 2007, 12:24:09 PM
I know this may be taboo on this board  :-\, but I am going to disagree with Ralph Turner on this issue.

I don't know what taller players have had to do with the ASC teams losing. I have seen every HSU playoff game since the 2000 season and there is no doubt that the ASC plays just as good of a brand of basketball as anyone. I am going to go year-by-year and show that it was not big girls that eliminated the ASC teams, but rather more versatile guards that go hit the 15-foot pull up.

2000 - HSU lost to St. Thomas, I think a lot of that was legs from playing a draining game the night before against McMurry and St. Thomas had an easier time. HSU also had lost two starters at the end of the regular season and in the conference playoffs. They had a young team other than Otwell and McClure. St Thomas was a little bigger, but it was not a significant factor that night.

2001- HSU lost to Baldwin-Wallace in the Sweet 16. B-W was not a big team at all, they played basically with five players that could do a lot of things, like put it on the floor and get to the hole. All five of their starters shot a 3-pointer in the game.  HSU outrebounded them 41-31 in the game, but went 13-for-27 at the free throw line.

2002 - HSU bowed out in the Sweet 16 again, this time to DePauw. I am pretty sure DePauw was the better team that year, but that was just one of those games (much like the HPU loss last year) where the Cowgirls could not buy a shot and DePauw made nearly everything they shot (67 percent). It was not the post game once again it was the mid range pull up game that we could not defend in that game. Players that can shoot it and put it on the hole has been the problem in the past.

2003 - This was the biggest heartbreak. HSU was the best team in the country that year with the best player. They just picked the wrong game to play their worst 10 minutes of the year. They were down 18-2 to Trinity. The Cowgirls came back and eventually took a brief 1-point lead and the game was tied again with a minute to play. They just could not finish. Trinity went on to win the national title. They had no advantage in the post in that game - in fact our 5-9 post player had 33 points and 11 rebounds. It was there ability to break down the defense and hit 12-15 foot jumpers all night.

2004 - The Cowgirls lost to Stevens Point with the game tied inside a minute. Once again they had a versatile team that could score inside and out. They ran a three-guard lineup and their All-American Amanda Nechuta was four that played inside and out. Their post player had 10 points and five rebounds.

2005 - HSU did not make the playoffs, but HPU lost to Trinity. Again Trinity had a decent post player in Rhode, but so did HPU in Blaylock. They are about the same size. That game was not about height.

2006 - The Cowgirls obviously did not have a lot of height in the Final Four run.  However, in the six games the best post player we saw was Richardson (who did not have a good game against HSU). Pacific Lutheran was a little bigger and their post player had 22 and 11, but they could not score on our guards. Randolph-Macon was gigantic and the Cowgirls rolled them by 16 points. That Final Four was the same way. Southern Maine's Marble and Myles both had double-doubles, but it came off their versatility. Both hit 3-pointers in the game.  Scranton got four points out of its starting two post players. They got 19 out of Mellody who was a swing player that score inside and out.

2007 - I am not going to pretend to know what happened, but I think HPU just had a miserable shooting night. They were a very good team that had the elements to go far. I was not as surprised that McMurry lost early because they were more one dimensional. Tuttle was a great distributor, but not much of a scorer and if you could neutralize Sawyer and Richardson you had the advantage. They didn't have the elements of teams I have seen go deep in the playoffs.


IMHO, here is a list of what it takes to win on the national level in women's hoops.

You have to have versatile players that can do more than one thing (players that can get into the paint and either distribute or score are at a premium). I think in Texas we see too many players that are one dimensional - they are shooters or slashers but not both.

You have to be able to control the boards, but that does not have to be with just your post players. You need 2's and 3's that can get the tough rebounds as well.

I think if you are just a back to the basket post, that is easy for a good team to defend. But if you can face up and put the ball on the deck and get to the hole or hit a 12 foot jumper that is the type of post player that will dominate. If they can step out even further and be a threat by pulling a post player from the basket that is even better.

You have to have the ability to go on runs. That includes not only scoring, but the ability to string four or five stops in a row together.

You need one thing that the teams you will play will not have. I think HSU's Final Four run team had a 5-10 player that played on the perimeter and could guard anyone. She frustrated the consensus National Player of the Year into 7-of-23 shooting. We did not see another player like that. The six players she guarded went 1-10 (Sawyer), 9-28 (Daniels), 2-14 (Johnson), 7-23 (Silve), 4-11 (Sibbey) and 4-17 (Matt) 

I also think that in that run they had three very versatile players that could do a lot of things well. Dennard and Hodges could score inside and out, Cisneroz could drive to the hole or shoot a 3. Rachael Singletary played a big role as well because of her versatility. You will see more teams with three or four versatile players in the Final Four than you will see with big, thick players that can't move.

So are there better conferences, I am sure top to bottom there are. There are not many with a top end like what we have. There is little doubt McMurry, HSU and HPU in the right circumstances play with about anyone in the country.

These are only opinions that I have formulated from watching a lot of playoff games in the past and seeing some very good teams. Even teams in games opposite of ours in these tournaments.

The only time we were ever dominated was against DePauw and I count that as one of those games. Teams don't shoot 67 percent every night. Every other game we have been in. I don't think that means we are that far away as a conference. The top end is just as good as other teams around the nation. It just takes a good run and a little bit of luck in your draw in getting teams that your strengths and weakness are a match.




Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on December 05, 2007, 06:20:41 PM
I have to disagree with the HSUSID on this one.  The national tournament losses that I have witnessed were at the hands of bigger, stronger, quicker girls at virtually every position, but especially "in the paint." 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on December 05, 2007, 06:55:51 PM
WOW--great and incredibly thorough  historical analysis by hsusid.  I  was at the HPU/UPS Sweet 16 game in Iowa last March and have not said a word about that game until now. I was too depressed and stunned to say anything.  I LOVED our HPU team last year and was literally in shock after that game.  The UPS team was certainly pretty good--aren't they all by that time, at least in basketball--but our girls could never get untracked in any respect in that game.

Certainly poor shooting and good defense may have had something to do with it,  but it was much much more than that.  We could never get going at all in any way in that game.  I think playing at such a high level both athletically and emotionally--especially over the last month of the season--finally caught up with them. That may sound silly or foolish (it was the SWEET 16!!),  but in sports there is a fine line between success and failure--especially at the highest levels of competition.

IMHO, quality but draining competition, especially with MCM and HSU over and over in the regular season,  and also while winning the conference tourney at home with big crowds against top teams (again!), THEN THE RECORD CROWD AND BIG WIN AGAINST CHAPMAN, with the bye, and then a long trip to Luther  all combined together just did them in.  That is the only explanation I have--otherwise it was just inexplicable.  When HPU struggled mightily in the first half but somehow pulled ahead at the half, I was sure things would then be different.  The second half was even tougher to watch.  All our players all tried so hard but every move, every shot, was just a step behind, a little off, and we certainly did not get any calls on contested shots inside in that second half.

Why did HPU lose in Iowa?  I have made my feeble attempt to explain or understand above, but I do not believe it was because of some inherently superior play in any aspect by UPS.  I would put the 06-07 Lady Jackets up against any of the 3 other teams in that region on any night but that one and expect or at least not be surprised by a win. My hope is that HPU  will get a chance to have a different result this year, although I know a lot of basketball must be played before that could  happen, and every team and every year is unique.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on December 05, 2007, 06:56:38 PM
I could certainly see where I could be wrong on this, but I gave year-by-year details on why it is not true. I would like to see something other than a generalization before I change my mind.

McMurry lost to HSU in 2000, HSU was not bigger, stronger and quicker at every position.
McMurry lost to HSU in 2006, HSU was not bigger, stronger and quicker at every position.
Howard Payne lost to HSU in 2006, HSU was not bigger, stronger and quicker at every position.

The only other teams that have lost a game in the postseason were McMurry and Howard Payne last year and HPU in 2005. I saw HPU five times that season and I also Trinity. Trinity was not bigger, stronger and quicker at every position.

Last year HPU and McMurry lost to the same team. In the McMurry loss they had 31 points and 12 rebounds from their starters in the post. UPS had 12 and 14. I would not call that domination.

In the Howard Payne loss Blaylock had 16 and was the top scorer on the floor.

I think even if McMurry or HPU were beaten by a bigger, stronger and quicker team in UPS that is one team out of all of the years.

That is definitely not a trend it is an exception to the rule. We have been beaten by more versatile teams that can do more than one thing. In Texas we see a lot of one dimensional players. That is what the league on the whole has had a bigger time defending, rather than the bigger, stronger players.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 06, 2007, 10:08:19 PM
HPU 91 Dallas Christian 35.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 07, 2007, 10:14:41 AM
I am a firm believer in luck, intangibles, superstitions, and emotions. Sometimes the planets line up and sometimes they don't. Some days you're on, somedays you're not. The days someone is off, you hope others are able to pick up the slack. The best team on THAT day usually wins, not necessarily the best overall team.  It is frustrating as a fan when you know your team is better, but that's how it goes.  I've cried, cussed and fussed. I still back my team, will defend them to the end, and love em anyway! Fire up LIB, big game tomorrow......and I know you can win!!!!!That's what's great about being a FAN!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on December 07, 2007, 11:48:15 AM
Quote from: dballa on December 06, 2007, 10:08:19 PM
HPU 91 Dallas Christian 35.


From every indication involving last year what has been seen thus far this season, HPU is without question the team to beat.   Coach K has put together a championship-calibre program.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 07, 2007, 12:32:01 PM
Not to burst anyone's bubble, but looking at the stats from last night, Dallas Christian only played 5 players all 40 minutes.  Doesn't sound like much of a challenge.  I agree HPU is the team at the moment to beat, but be careful boasting too soon. They blew lots of teams out at the beginning of last season too. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 07, 2007, 01:06:27 PM
I don't think we'll get a true reading on where everybody is until we play common opponents and play each other.  I do like where HPU is headed.  Their seniors are stepping up and providing solid leadership to the younger players.  The newcomers are playing really well early on and that's always a good sign. 

Last night against Dallas Christian the game could have been a lot worse.  Watching them play it seemed like they were holding back some, whether it was not to run up the score too bad or that it was just hard to get up for a game that you know you can win easily.

Everybody scored except for one and she's been battling an injury so she didn't get to play much.  HPU is really young on the bench but those players are very talented and will not only help this year but will keep the program strong in the next few years.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on December 07, 2007, 05:28:10 PM
Quote from: fanstand on December 07, 2007, 12:32:01 PM
I agree HPU is the team at the moment to beat, but be careful boasting too soon. They blew lots of teams out at the beginning of last season too. 

Tell me what I'm missing here.  Didn't HPU pretty much handle everyone in the conference last year?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 08, 2007, 12:43:56 PM
I'm not doubting HPU is good.  But lots of talk about championships and final four last year, didn't get them there.  There is lots of ball to be played. Stuff happens. They are the defending conference champs, that puts a big 'ol' target on them.  We have some great games to go, and if I remember last year, the LIB did give them a conference loss, if they blow by everybody in the conference, then I'll give them their due.  I hope it is close because the better the games, I believe it prepares you more for the post season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on December 08, 2007, 07:02:37 PM
Final from Alpine:
HPU 73
SRSU 53

6 point game at halftime!
HPU still undefeated
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2007, 07:19:04 PM
Halftime:   McM  41, HSU  26
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2007, 08:02:08 PM
McM 69, HSU 38  5mins left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2007, 08:16:10 PM
McM 72, HSU 45.  Final.

HSU has too many new players for me to make a judgment about the team.  We jumped on them early and they did not recover.

We have to watch what it will be like at the Mabee Center in January.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2007, 09:44:19 PM
In the interview with Coach Snow at the halftime of the men's game, she was pleased with the way that LIB has been responding to her emphasis to play tougher defense.

She said that the defense would be the key to improving their offensive production.

McMurry leaves for Louisiana College next Sunday Dec. 16th, after taking finals next week.

The 27 point margin of victory was the most ever for LIB over the Cowgirls.  The previous high was a 70-51 win in 1991.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on December 08, 2007, 10:12:48 PM
Mississippi College lost 58-56 to Piedmont today. MC trailed by as many as 17 in the second half but came back to take a late lead. Piedmont hit a shot with four seconds remaining to win and improve to 9-2.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 09, 2007, 12:24:30 AM
Ralph,
It wasn't just the point spread that was interesting.  This is the first time I've ever seen McM play the whole bench against HSU.  Everyone got to play.  And what you probably didn't realize from the radio program was the shift in the HSU fan loyalties.  It used to be the HSU fans would come for the women's game and then leave before the men's game began.  Tonight, there were more HSU fans at the men's game than at the women's.  And the HSU student section was standing from the very beginning of the men's game.  They sat through all of the women's round. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 09, 2007, 05:25:09 PM
I was impressed in how relaxed we were from the beginning of the game, the girls did not seem to be uptight, just excited to play..  I know a rematch will probably be a little tougher. We will be at HSU and they will have more time to gel as a team.  HSU has some good players, but LIB is more experienced especially with each other. Defensively, we have really improved and really pressed the turnovers.  HSU will get better, I was surprised by their fans, the gym wasn't near to capacity and there were more fans for the guys game.  Long road trip coming up, rest up and get after them LIB.  We are proud of you.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 09, 2007, 06:58:09 PM
It was fun to watch, but I'm sure the rematch will be a cat fight.  We shot 60% from the field in the first half, which is simply not the kind of percentage that is sustainable.  HSU will be gunning for revenge when we meet again, no doubt about it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 09, 2007, 09:53:02 PM
Let's look at how successful the women's coaches were at scheduling valuable non-conference (in-region) games.

I commented on the men's side earlier this season.

ASC-West

Concordia -- Texas State (D-1); Carnegie Mellon and #3Messiah PA (out-of-region DIII) in Cancun MX; Concordia Mich (NAIA over Christmas)  No in-region games.  This doesn't help the conference.  Maybe the money game with TSU-SM paid for the Cancun trip, but the only way that the Cancun trip helps the ASC is if CTX pulls off the upset over #3 Messiah.

HSU -- Excellent Schedule;  Benedictine IL and Trinity TX in one tourney;  Buena Vista IA and the foe in the other tourney bracket at Southwestern.  This gives in-region games so we can boost the reputation of the conference.

HPU --  Good schedule in that they went to California and played Chapman, which was in the Tourney last year and Redlands, a good SCIAC team.  These are in-region games.  HPU picks up a game with Dallas Christian in the "travel partner" slot opposite UOzarks and D-2 UT-Permian Basin over the Christmas Holiday.  It can be tough to find games when you are #2 in the country!

UMHB -- Excellent schedule; at Trinity, Carthage IL, a tourney game TBD, and Austin College.  That is at least 3 in-region games.  Helping fill the brackets when Trinity and Southwestern host holiday tournaments is a win-win for everyone.

McM -- Excellent schedule.  Went to Colorado College to play in a Classic and picked up two in-region wins over St Thomas and St Olaf, both MIAC.  LIB then went to Maryville TN, which pitted McMurry versus 2007 USASAC tourney team Greensboro NC and former D-1 (first-year provisional SCAC member) Birmingham-Southern.  I wish that McMurry could have played in-region Maryville TN, but the BSC game gives us some comparison when BSC plays strong SCAC teams, DePauw, Oglethorpe, Trinity, etc.

Schreiner -- Playing in Hawaii, Pacific (NWC) is in-region, and Misericordia PA is another D-III.  They also play Southwestern and D-1 UT-PA.  If UT-PA is a money game that paid for the Hawaii trip then good.  We need strong showing in Hawaii to boost the conference.

SRSU -- D-2 UT-PB, D-3 U Dallas, and NCCAA Dallas Christian.  Only able to fill three and went on the road for those three!

TLU -- Pacific Lutheran (D-3, NWC) and Concordia-Portland.  UDallas and NAIA Concordia-Michigan over Christmas (see CTX).

ASC-East

ETBU -- No D3 games!  This doesn't help ETBU or the ASC.  The ASC-East has not had an NCAA  tourney team since the Pools began in 2000.  I hope the new coach can find some South Region opponents in 2008-09.  ETBU played D-1 UL-Monroe in an exhibition, crosstown NAIA-1 Wiley home and away, NAIA-1 Belhaven and NAIA-1 LSU-Shreveport.

LeTU -- Pretty good schedule for the ASC-East.  They traveled to Huntingdon AL, (500 miles), beat Huntingdon and then played LaCollege in the winner's bracket of the tourney.   They played at NAIA-1 Jarvis Christian College, played at NAIA-1 Wiley  around dead week and catch U Dallas in the UOzarks travel slot.

LaCollege -- Great Schedule!  Beat Rust and LeTU at Huntingdon.  Lost to D-3 Provisional Birmingham-Southern but swept Millsaps (SCAC).

Miss College -- Great Schedule! SCAC teams Rhodes, Hendrix and Millsaps twice, and a strong Piedmont (GSAC).  I just wish that Miss College were stronger this year!  :-\

Ozarks -- Only played two games versus D3 schools, home and away versus Hendrix.  Went to a tourney to play 2 NAIA schools Tennessee Temple and Montreat NC.  That tourney did not help.  If you are going to as far as Tennessee, then playing some of the GSAC or SCAC schools might have given wins.

UT-Dallas -- Great Schedule!  Five in-region D-3 games!  At Trinity TX (their only loss), Benedictine IL, Austin College twice and UDallas

UT-Tyler -- Two D-3 in-region games, Austin College and Southwestern.  Also played NAIA-1 LSU-Shreveport and Jarvis Christian, and D2 Texas A&M Commerce over the Christmas break.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bball fan 37 on December 11, 2007, 11:47:50 PM
From the experience that I have being around the conference (this is my fifth year), the in-region games are only helping the elite teams. I was at a meeting when Kielsmeier tried to explain all that, and I just wanted to laugh cause it seemed that he only said that cause he needed the at-large. Honestly the teams that are in the middle to the lower part of the conference do not care when they are making their schedules about how high the confernce is rated and if McM or Hardin-simmons recieve an at-large bid to the tournament.  With the many of the schools on a limited budget and some schools needing wins to get their season's going, making the asc look good is on their priority list.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2007, 11:58:16 AM
bball fan 37, welcome to the boards and thank you for responding.  Any comments, hyperlinks to newspaper articles, insights to game outcomes, etc.,  that you can contribute are greatly appreciated!   :)


I understand the sentiment and, IMHO, its short-sightedness in attitude.

You can look on the Football boards where I encouraged scheduling in-region games.  In 2007, McMurry went 2-8 overall/1-7 conference.  McMurry found Huntingdon and Austin College for non-conference games.

The attitude to schedule D-III games that help the conference must permeate the entire athletic program.  I would hope that (the other) Coach K (the HPU women's coach and not the Duke Men's coach  ;) ) could influence HPU's football scheduling, to get at least one "in-region" game per year, even if it means a trip.

I want Coaches and AD's to work together.  A great opportunity is for 2 teams, (maybe travel partners), to get in-region opponents to play over the Holidays...e.g., TLU/Schreiner hosting a snow bird team as its comes thru town over Christmas, or jointly hosting a Classic style tourney like Trinity and Southwestern do to bring 2 teams to Texas.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2007, 05:29:05 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 09, 2007, 09:53:02 PM
Let's look at how successful the women's coaches were at scheduling valuable non-conference (in-region) games.

I commented on the men's side earlier this season.

ASC-East

UT-Dallas -- Great Schedule!  Five in-region D-3 games!  At Trinity TX (their only loss), Benedictine IL, Austin College twice and UDallas

UT-Tyler -- Two D-3 in-region games, Austin College and Southwestern.  Also played NAIA-1 LSU-Shreveport and Jarvis Christian, and D2 Texas A&M Commerce over the Christmas break.

UT-Tyler (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4583.msg834977#msg834977) and UT-Dallas are co-operating for 2008-09 and have a good opponent UW-Platteville from the WIAC.  This opponent is "in-region".

This is a good example of what can be accomplished!   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 17, 2007, 01:16:35 PM
I was just taking a peak at the McMurry website and according to it Richardson is only 55 points away from breaking the ASC points record. 

I decided to do a little math on it and I may be wrong but didn't Lacey Kennedy from MC break the old record by Otwell at HSU and score a total of 1,890 for her career?  That total may not be right on the money but Chris Brooks at MC can correct me on the actual count.

If that is the case then Richardson isn't 55 away from Kennedy's record she's just 55 away from breaking Otwell's old record which hasn't been updated on the ASC website for whatever reason.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on December 17, 2007, 03:54:34 PM
Quote from: dballa on December 17, 2007, 01:16:35 PM
I was just taking a peak at the McMurry website and according to it Richardson is only 55 points away from breaking the ASC points record. 

I decided to do a little math on it and I may be wrong but didn't Lacey Kennedy from MC break the old record by Otwell at HSU and score a total of 1,890 for her career?  That total may not be right on the money but Chris Brooks at MC can correct me on the actual count.

If that is the case then Richardson isn't 55 away from Kennedy's record she's just 55 away from breaking Otwell's old record which hasn't been updated on the ASC website for whatever reason.

Dballa,
    Thanks for putting that up, Lacey does hold the record at 1890 but it hasn't been updated on the ASC site yet. I will let the MCM SID know.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 17, 2007, 04:04:34 PM
I'm listening to the HPU/LeTU game here at work and listening to the LeTU radio announcer makes me feel like I'm at an auction.  I feel like I need a numbered paddle.  Great voice for the radio though.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on December 17, 2007, 04:13:29 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on December 17, 2007, 03:54:34 PM
Quote from: dballa on December 17, 2007, 01:16:35 PM
I was just taking a peak at the McMurry website and according to it Richardson is only 55 points away from breaking the ASC points record. 

I decided to do a little math on it and I may be wrong but didn't Lacey Kennedy from MC break the old record by Otwell at HSU and score a total of 1,890 for her career?  That total may not be right on the money but Chris Brooks at MC can correct me on the actual count.

If that is the case then Richardson isn't 55 away from Kennedy's record she's just 55 away from breaking Otwell's old record which hasn't been updated on the ASC website for whatever reason.



Dballa,
    Thanks for putting that up, Lacey does hold the record at 1890 but it hasn't been updated on the ASC site yet. I will let the MCM SID know.

dballa, thanks for looking into this. Obviously, when I wrote the release, I was going off the PDF on the ASC web site. Chris and I are going to work together to see where else there might be differences.

Wish I had known before I compiled all the numbers!!!  :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 17, 2007, 04:20:48 PM
It's still better to catch it now than it would have been for her to score those 55 pts and to celebrate only to find out she needed about 100 more or so.  She'll still be able to easily pass the record but it will just take a little more time.  Meia Daniels has 1612 career pts and could reach the 2,000 mark if she stays healthy and the team continues to play well.

I noticed a few other numbers on the ASC website aren't correct in relation to the current season.  But I don't think they've updated all the numbers yet.

As an accountant I guess I dig into numbers too much sometimes :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on December 17, 2007, 04:30:15 PM
Quote from: dballa on December 17, 2007, 04:20:48 PM
It's still better to catch it now than it would have been for her to score those 55 pts and to celebrate only to find out she needed about 100 more or so.  She'll still be able to easily pass the record but it will just take a little more time.  Meia Daniels has 1612 career pts and could reach the 2,000 mark if she stays healthy and the team continues to play well.

I noticed a few other numbers on the ASC website aren't correct in relation to the current season.  But I don't think they've updated all the numbers yet.

As an accountant I guess I dig into numbers too much sometimes :)

No, man, I'm glad you brought it to our attention. I've also emailed the HPU SID so we can collaborate throughout the season and keep each other updated. My guess is, it will depend on how far each team advances through the ASC Tourney and possibly the NCAAs.

Thanks!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 17, 2007, 08:25:05 PM
McM 41, LC 38, final.
An ugly game.  After rolling HSU a week ago, McM appeared to have nothing left.  At the end, with only a 3 point lead, we needed just one free throw to put it away, got repeatedly fouled and missed one shot after another.  Tarra Richardson went out in the second half with a sprained ankle, but the team was struggling even before that.  We've got two days to regroup before MC... Go LIB!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on December 17, 2007, 09:09:08 PM
Quote from: dballa on December 17, 2007, 04:20:48 PM
It's still better to catch it now than it would have been for her to score those 55 pts and to celebrate only to find out she needed about 100 more or so.  She'll still be able to easily pass the record but it will just take a little more time.  Meia Daniels has 1612 career pts and could reach the 2,000 mark if she stays healthy and the team continues to play well.

I noticed a few other numbers on the ASC website aren't correct in relation to the current season.  But I don't think they've updated all the numbers yet.

As an accountant I guess I dig into numbers too much sometimes :)

Tarra is at 1,734 points through the game vs. HSU - Not sure how many she scored tonight, i wasn't there - I know she had six at half before she was injured.

Meia Daniels has 1,612 points before tonight's game against LeTourneau.

So assuming both players stay healthy - HPU will need to play 4-6 more games than McMurry - if they keep their current pace.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 17, 2007, 09:40:55 PM
If they both stay healthy HPU would have to go deep into the playoffs, which could happen for Daniels to pass Richardson.  I do know both should get 2,000 which would be great for both of them, the teams and the conference.


Meia scored 18 tonight, at least that's what the announcer said, i haven't seen the official box score.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2007, 10:51:22 PM
Quote from: mcm_sid on December 17, 2007, 09:09:08 PM

So assuming both players stay healthy - HPU will need to play 4-6 more games than McMurry - if they keep their current pace.

I will be honest.  I want McMurry to go 4-6 games farther than HPU into the playoffs!  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 18, 2007, 09:17:27 AM
Amen Ralph!  I listened to the game last night, and yea it was ugly, but a win is a win and that's all that matters.  I was impressed by the fact that I never got the sense that we panicked at any time.  We didn't go and start jacking up shots and fouling when we were down.  It sounded like they kept playing steady defense, bringing the ball down and looking for a shot. I believe the lay off hurt, (Mcm doesn't practice during finals week). I think we will shake the rust off, and play well against MC.  I really like blow outs so I can relax during the game, but close games show us what teams are made of.  I like what this team is made of.  I hope Tarra's ankle is not serious but we will be getting another break, so she should be okay come January.  Get after it LIB!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on December 18, 2007, 10:35:43 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2007, 10:51:22 PM
Quote from: mcm_sid on December 17, 2007, 09:09:08 PM

So assuming both players stay healthy - HPU will need to play 4-6 more games than McMurry - if they keep their current pace.

I will be honest.  I want McMurry to go 4-6 games farther than HPU into the playoffs!  ;)

The way things look I'm hoping HSU just makes it to the conference tournament!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 18, 2007, 02:45:09 PM
Quote
The way things look I'm hoping HSU just makes it to the conference tournament!

I don't think you've got anything to worry about, inthepaint.  If you compare the scores of the games HSU and McM have in common so far, the point spread clearly favors HSU:

                 HSU                                       McM
LeTourneau 79-49     +30                       67-51  +16
ETBU 91-67             +24                       79-62  +17
LC  76-65                +11                       41-38   +3

The numbers tell me that HSU is playing better than McM at this point, or at least more consistently, which amounts to the same thing.  The smashing McM win over HSU was probably a one-time fluke.  I'm sure it won't happen again, though as a loyal McM fan I of course hope we still win the rematch, though with a closer score.  But even if we sweep HSU, I can's see them not getting into the conference tournament with these kinds of point spreads.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 18, 2007, 02:55:10 PM
Before other McM posters jump on me for seeming to favor HSU over my own team, let me add that I think (hope) that last night's McM performance against LC was also a fluke in how bad we were.  I suspect some of our players logged their worst stats of the season then, particularly with the free throws, where players who are usually 100% missed one throw after another.  The probability of that happening again should be low.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 18, 2007, 04:45:24 PM
I can't believe you guys.  Talking about 4-6 games into the playoffs.   Lets get through the regular season first.  I realize that people like Ralph have been watching this stuff for so long that they like to get to desert as soon as possilbe. 
I think the wins that HSU have had since the blowout mean more than the blowout does.  If they were just a bad team this road trip would have been an easy place to lose.  The fact that the underclassmen are stepping up means that no one know yet what this team can do.  I'm not ready to say they can beat the big two but I am hoping that the two get cocky the next time they play.  The last time that happened was the year the Cowgirls went to the final four while they stayed in Texas.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 18, 2007, 04:57:40 PM
HSU has only beaten one team with a winning record and that team is 1-3 in conference play, La. College.  HSU still has a lot to prove against better competition as does HPU and McM. 

The comments about the 4-6 deep into the playoffs were started earlier about the scoring record and not necessarily anybody saying their team was going to do that.  We all hope they do but just because we want it on here doesn't mean it happens on the court.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2007, 05:54:44 PM
 :D :D :D

Quote from: calhsu on December 18, 2007, 04:45:24 PM
I can't believe you guys.  Talking about 4-6 games into the playoffs.   Let's get through the regular season first.  I realize that people like Ralph have been watching this stuff for so long that they like to get to dessert as soon as possible. 
...

Let me explain 4-6 games into the playoffs!

The worse case scenario would be McMurry not qualifying for the post-season tourney and HPU playing three games in the ASC and then losing in round one of the NCAA's (4 games).  Worst case scenario in that perspective would be HPU winning the NCAA in 6 games (nine more games in the season).  (Having a national champion coming from the "South Region" again would be very nice for the reputation of the conference!)

Another scenario would be the aforementioned 2006 HSU/McM scenario, in which HSU beat McMurry in the first round and then played 5 more games in the season! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 19, 2007, 12:30:21 AM
Dballa....the first thing is that I didn't say that HSU was a championship team yet.  I know it is hard to beat teams with a winning record by playing ASC teams. I have said for years that after the top tier the conference is weak.  HPU had to go to California  to play teams with winning records.
HPU and MCM have seasoned  players, they certainly have an edge.   We will see.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bball fan 37 on December 20, 2007, 01:33:22 PM
I know everybody wants to talk about the big 3, butn let's look at the next four.  Concordia looks dangerous at 3-1, they can score with anybody and came back from 15 down against tyler after beating dallas on the road.  UMHB seems to have fallen off a little bit from last year, but they have still been competetive in there games.  Sul Ross has played Howard Payne closer than anyone else has this year and have the most underrated player in the league in Woods.  They can beat anybody on any day.  Then there is Schreiner.  Have more wins before christmas than they have had in at least 7 years.  Have won 3 of 4 and had a lead at half on Southwestern.
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What does everyone think about who the third and fourth best teams are in the west? 

I know there isn't much to compare different teams, but you really can't look at point differential to state a team is playing better than another.  It may be match-ups work better or just one team playeed real well for a game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 20, 2007, 03:42:46 PM
bball I agree that you can't really compare teams all the time, some games you got it, some games you don't.  I am a firm believer that ANY team has the potential for upset, usually  on their home court.  Sul Ross is always tough at home as well as Concordia, and UMHB.  Schriener is also tough at home especially the first half.  I'm not sure who will finish where or in what order.  I have yet to see the other teams play, except for McM and HSU but I think as the year progresses they will all be a threat.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2007, 10:45:47 PM
Schreiner lost to Misericordia (Pennsylvania AC) in Honolulu, after beating a weak Pacific team (Northwest Conference) yesterday.

Concordia TX is playing #7 Messiah (MAC Commonwealth) in Cancun today and Carnegie-Mellon (UAA) tomorrow.  No score yet.

It is good that we are playing D3 teams around the country!  Represent the ASC well.

(None of these games are "in-region".)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2007, 11:15:50 AM
#7 Messiah 77, Concordia-Austin 45
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 26, 2007, 07:56:07 PM
Nice win for Concordia-Austin over Carnegie-Melon (UAA), 65-56.  This is a non-region game, but the UAA is one of the genuine top-to-bottom power conferences in the country.  CMU has finished towards the bottom of the UAA, but a win over CMU by middle-tier ASC-West team is definitely good for the conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 29, 2007, 01:51:28 PM
Carthage 69, Mary Hardin Baylor 64. (Carthage led for virtually the entire first half, in the second half it became a real dog fight but the WI squad hit free throws late to seal it, per Carthage press release.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 29, 2007, 05:59:36 PM
HPU 89 Div II UTPB 50 FINAL.

The game should have been even worse than that.  HPU lost their focus a couple times and left their best player open for some shots.  HPU also missed some wide open layups after getting offensive rebounds. 

It was a physical game that HPU needed to get prepared for the rest of the year.

Meia Daniels had 24 pts, Stacey Blalock 22 and Kim Hoffman had 15 pts.  Hope Hohertz had 11 rbs and finished 1 pt away from a double double.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on January 01, 2008, 02:51:45 PM
Quote from: dballa on December 29, 2007, 05:59:36 PM
HPU 89 Div II UTPB 50 FINAL.

The game should have been even worse than that.  HPU lost their focus a couple times and left their best player open for some shots.  HPU also missed some wide open layups after getting offensive rebounds. 

It was a physical game that HPU needed to get prepared for the rest of the year.

Meia Daniels had 24 pts, Stacey Blalock 22 and Kim Hoffman had 15 pts.  Hope Hohertz had 11 rbs and finished 1 pt away from a double double.


I saw UTPB play Abilene Christian (DII) the other night. They might be the worst DII team I've ever seen. They have one girl that stands 6-0, the rest are below. They have one player, Crystal Johnson, and we'll call her the Allen Iverson of D2 Women's Basketball (225 FGA in 13 games). ACU beat them 25 points without playing any starters the final 10-12 minutes. Johnson had 37 points on 15 of 31 shooting.

However, that being said. I would like to see HPU against some better D2 teams. I hesitate to say this after working in both D2 and D3, b/c, don't misunderstand, there is a HUGE gap of talent & athleticism - but I'd really like to see HPU and ACU play each other.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 01, 2008, 11:06:15 PM
Actually HPU didn't initially want to schedule the UTPB game or even the Dallas Christian game but they couldn't find anybody else to fill those two spots.  They would rather play DIII in region games than play DII or DI schools.

HPU did scrimmage Tarleton State a pretty athletic DII team.  They have only lost one game this year and that was to A&M Commerce.  HPU only lost the first 20 mins by 7 or 8 pts and won the 2nd 20 mins in which they had a lead of 8 or so with only a couple mins left.

If they didn't have so many conference games they could find some spots for some better teams.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 01, 2008, 11:17:06 PM
dballa, I understand the dilemma that HPU faced.  The Dallas Christian game filled the "hole" left in the schedule by Austin College's departure.  The mandated 21-game schedule takes away dates on which a coach can schedule strategically more valuable opponents.

I have posted these comments many times.  I wish that I could get some flexibility into the scheduling process!   :-\

This year's HPU team is facing the UMHB (football) dilemma.  Who wants to lose by 30?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 03, 2008, 10:45:20 PM
HPU 83 UTDallas 40 FINAL.

HPU dominated the game from the beginning. 

Meia Daniels led the way with 24 pts and Sarah Jockers scored a career high 16.

Oh and keep docking my karma please, I still have 46 left :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2008, 11:48:26 PM
CUA 82, ETBU 51 (http://athletics.concordia.edu/athletics.cfm?page_ID=53)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 08, 2008, 09:01:24 PM
UMHB 62 CUA 56 FINAL
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2008, 09:43:39 PM
Coach Snow's post-game interview...

She commented on senior leadership, the team chemistry, and the team defense in the last few possessions.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 11, 2008, 10:17:54 AM
Congrats to Meia Daniels for making this weeks D3Hoops Team of the Week.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 12, 2008, 05:11:37 PM
What happened to all the HSU posters that used to be here?  I'm thinking HSU could be the sleeper of the ASC, but no one seems to be noticing.  Check out the scores between it and McM, playing the same schools these last few days:

                          UT Tyler                       UT Dallas
HSU                 75-53, +22                     80-65, + 15
McM                 81-78, +3                       60-54, +6

HSU looked awful when they played us before Christmas, but they seem to have really gotten rolling since then.  We at McM, and HPU, had better be ready for them!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on January 12, 2008, 05:22:04 PM
dballa:

I have a question for you. Did either Meia Daniels or Stacey Blalock transfer from DI schools to Howard Payne?  I am pretty sure they have played 4 years at HPU, and I never heard that. I guess it is possible but that would be news to me.  Coach Duke just said on the MC radio that 32 and 24 for HPU were DI transfers.  I know they are both DI quality, and may have had opportunities,  but did they actually transfer from DI schools?

If they did, I will accept correction and shut up.  If not, statements like that really frustrate and annoy me.  MC certainly gave HPU by far our toughest game so far and MC should be proud of their effort, but it is kinda funny to here such a statement (if it is not true)  since MC has tons of JC transfers on both its basketball teams.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2008, 07:20:01 PM
Rick, the Junior College system in Mississippi is much different than in Texas.

There are only 2 3 D-III's*, 4 NAIA's,  and 6 D-I's in the whole state.  (I could not find any D-II's.)

There are about 20 JUCO's, so there are only a few places where JUCO talent can go to continue playing.

*Mississippi College, Millsaps College in Jackson and Rust College in Holly Springs
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 12, 2008, 07:21:51 PM
Rick,

They both started and are ending their careers at HPU.  I don't know why he would have said they were transfers but they aren't.  They definitely are DI quality for sure.   Meia is one of the best if not the best guard in the nation as long as she plays within her abilities and doesn't try to do too much.

This definitely was a tough road game for HPU but it's one they needed.  It let the key players get a lot of work and conditioning in that they haven't been able to do all year because of all the blowouts.  

Have to give MC a lot of credit, they are finally starting to gel and play well together as a team.  They will be a tough team to beat the rest of the way and on into the conference tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 12, 2008, 11:31:14 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2008, 07:20:01 PM
Rick, the Junior College system in Mississippi is much different than in Texas.

There are only 2 D-III's, 4 NAIA's,  and 6 D-I's in the whole state.  (I could not find any D-II's.)

There are about 20 JUCO's, so there are only a few places where JUCO talent can go to continue playing.

Ralph,   Delta State University is the only DII school in MS and were our hated rival for many years when we were DII. In the last three years they have won a DII football and baseball national championship, our move to DIII helped them recruiting-wise in MS.

Quote from: Rick Akins on January 12, 2008, 05:22:04 PM
If they did, I will accept correction and shut up.  If not, statements like that really frustrate and annoy me.  MC certainly gave HPU by far our toughest game so far and MC should be proud of their effort, but it is kinda funny to here such a statement (if it is not true)  since MC has tons of JC transfers on both its basketball teams.

He probably meant DI talent, but I can assure he was trying to be complimentary. Coach Duke thinks a lot of the Howard Payne team and what Coach Kielsmeier has done there.

My thoughts on Howard Payne from today. First of all, I think Meia Daniels has to get consideration for National Player of the Year this year. She is the best player I have seen in the ASC in eight years. That's just my opinion, but she is an incredible talent and HPU loses to MC today if she is out. She scored 31 playing unselfish basketball, just a great, great player. She's very physical, has excellent ball-handling skills, and can score inside or outside.

Today is the only time I've seen HPU this year and they could have had a bad game, but no one outside of Meia Daniels was very impressive offensively today. Although they always weren't guarding one another, MC forward Rose Green dominated her matchup with Blalock with 30 points on 12-17 shooting. Blalock had eight points on 3-9 shooting and three rebounds.

MC outrebounded HPU 36-30 and controlled the paint. MC's posts combined for a 43 points on 18-31 shooting, while HPU's scored 9 points on 3-13 shooting. But again, it's just one game so it could have been an off-day for the rest of the team, but today they struggled.

Having said that, HPU will be a tough matchup for anyone in the country with Meia Daniels on the court, particularly if they are playing at home in the NCAA Tournament. I just don't see anyone beating them in the regular season with her on the team, she is that good. She handled the ball most of the game, or at least the critical parts of the game, and probably could have scored more if she wanted. The player guarding her most of the game today is a very good defensive player for MC, and she had a hard time slowing her down The rest of the team is very athletic and applies pressure defensively, but their offense almost always goes through Daniels. I really hope voters consider her this year for the National Player of the Year, hard to believe anyone's out there better.

About MC, they are 6-7 but are very talented, particularly in the post. Three of the losses are by three points or fewer and five under eight. The problem all season has been turnovers which kills our scoring chances. We are averaging 25 turnovers a game and actually had 46 in a game this year, three shy of the NCAA record. Rose Green is a 6-0 forward who is averaging 20 points in her last five games. The team is 4-1 during that time with three other players right around ten a game. MC will be a tough matchup for teams the rest of the way, especially if they can figure out a way to cut out the turnovers.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 13, 2008, 08:33:20 AM
Thanks, Chris.  (McMurry swimmers used to be in a swim conference against DSU!  Duhhhh!  Brain burp!   :-\ )

Does anyone have the URL for the listing of member schools of the NCAA, especially by state?

Here is the list for the NAIA.  You can click by state, region or by conference.

Membership list -- NAIA (http://naia.cstv.com/member-services/about/members.htm)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 13, 2008, 08:08:48 PM
 I know it is going to upset HPU fans and especially the one who made the comment but someone needs to say it.   When you start comparing DIII players to DI, there is a difference.  I am not saying the HPU stars couldn't make many DI teams, even I would certainly agree with that.  But the girls themselves made the decisons to play DIII for a reason.  And on a given day they could play with any team.  But HSU has had a couple of girls that have been the Daniels of the day, and I remember some HSU fan saying they could make the WNBA. Come on, these ladies are great players, AT THIS LEVEL.  If they had the speed, size, they would be playing DI.  Now answer me this, why would Daniels want to sit on a bench most of the game with a crummy DI school when she can be a great All American for DIII?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 14, 2008, 08:49:01 AM
I know the D1 player is thrown around a lot and is usually exaggerated greatly, but Daniels could be a successful DI player if she chose to. I don't know if she had opportunities or not when deciding on HPU, but she could play that level now.

In respect to HSU which hs produced several great players, Daniels is the best player to ever come through the ASC in my opinion.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 14, 2008, 09:45:22 AM
calhsu,

I'm just curious as to when the last time you've been to a DIII basketball game?  Being an HSU fan I would think you're familiar with the talented players HSU has had such as Kendra Anderson and Kathryn Otwell(sp?)  They could have easily been playing at a scholarship school instead of at HSU.

There are players all over the country that play at the DIII level that could very well have scholarships and be a key player on a lot of DII and DI teams.  They have reasons for choosing DIII.

Meia Daniels is just one of the players in the conference that is extremely talented.  There are plenty more such as Richardson for McM, Buggs for UT-Tyler, Green for MC who scored 30 against HPU, as well as others. 

Go watch a game sometime and you'll see why we think they are pretty good.




Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 14, 2008, 04:23:52 PM
First,  I in no way want to disrespect Daniels.   Even as an HSU fan what she has done cannot be dismissed by anyone.  And I did not say she could not play on a DI team.  But if anyone wants to tell me that she could be a starter on a top 10, DI school(which of course what she is in DII) and do what she is doing, forget it.  That is a joke.  She made a choice to play on a team that she could make a huge difference on.  Her career shows she made the right choice.  I just wonder if someone asked her is she would make the claims you guys are?
Brooks, as far as her being the best ever from the ASC.  When she is voted to the Josten Award, MVP for the country,  then you can make that claim.   Personally I think it is silly when people argue who is better from different times.   Stats don't prove anything.  I would go as far as to admit that in her years at HPU no other player was as good. Keeping in mind that during  that time it has been HSU alone that has gone to the final four. Yes I did have to get that in.  The only thing she still has to prove is taking her team to where they have not gone before.  Example, Larry Byrd takes Ind. State to the finals, where of course he mets his future nemeis Magic.
As far as going to college games, dballa.  I live in a very remote northern Cal community.  To go to any college game I have to drive a solid two hours.  I'm not sure what the difference of watching them on television and being on the court is? I did go and see a young lady that I coached in the children basketball league.  I saw her twice and last year she graduated and made Honorable Mention  ALL American.  She was a point guard and not that big.  The beating her body took was horrible. She was DII, I could never see her having done the same in a DI school.
One thing I ask when responding to this.  Don't put words in my mouth that desrepect Daniels.  I'm just making comments about people who want to make her something she is not.

dballa,  thanks for bringing up Anderson, and Otwell.  I would have but I know how certain people hate it when we bring up the past.  The whole reason I made these comments was that when HSU fans made the same comments about them I didn't agree with them either.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 14, 2008, 04:37:14 PM
dballa one more thing.  I did watch the games when HSU played in the final four.  I think I saw some really good DIII players.   They had tall post players,  fast point guards, good shooting,  but I didn't see anyone on anyones team that would have been in the final four of the DI tourney.  And for that matter even the DII team games I saw and the NAIA games it is not the same. 

Be proud of your ladies, just don't make them something they are not.


All due respect to the mourning Cowboys fans.  I was one of the only people in NorCal that was disapointed also.  I can't imagine how bad things were the day after in Texas.  It could be worst.  You could be a 49er or Raider fan who had nothing to be proud of all year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 14, 2008, 04:48:30 PM
I don't think it has been said that players at the DIII level would be able to start on a team like Tennessee or UConn or any teams like that.  If they were able to do that there is no way they would be playing in DIII. 

What I was referencing to was your comment about if they had great speed or size they would be playing at the DI level.  That kind of back tracks your comments about them making a choice to play at the DIII level instead of a smaller DI school. 

I for one am glad some of these players are playing at this level, or else we could see some really bad basketball. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 14, 2008, 05:22:14 PM
Quote from: calhsu on January 14, 2008, 04:23:52 PM
Brooks, as far as her being the best ever from the ASC.  When she is voted to the Josten Award, MVP for the country,  then you can make that claim.   Personally I think it is silly when people argue who is better from different times.   Stats don't prove anything. 

I was not trying to argue with anyone, nor did I intend to disrespect any other players. I said that Daniels was the best DIII player I have personally seen in eight years and in my opinion is the best player to come through the ASC. I watched Kendra Anderson at HSU and thought she was a tremendous player, but I think Daniels has a bigger impact on games just because the ball is always in her hands.

The Jostens award is the most prestigious DIII award given out every year, but it is not a player of the year award or an MVP award. It is based on three criteria: basketball ability, academic ability and community service. It does not go to the best player in the country and I don't see how it proves one player is better than another.

I had a chance to watch Mississippi College play Alabama in an exhibition game earlier this season and Daniels could help that Alabama team. Alabama is near or at the bottom of the SEC and you are free to disagree with me, but Daniels would perform well on that particular team and is probably better than all but one guard I saw on BAMA's team.

It would be unfair for me to make a blanket statement that Meia Daniels is the best player in the country since I obviously have not had an opportunity to see everyone play, but I would be comfortable saying that I would not be surprised if she is the best DIII player in the country this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on January 14, 2008, 06:39:58 PM
I have said from her freshman year she is the most talented all-around player for this conference. I think Mark Simon can verify the amount I have pushed for her in preseason and postseason straw polls he has taken to get a different look at the conference.

That being said I don't want it to look like I am being critical so the following statements are only opinions on her prospects at a higher level, not what she does at our level. She dominates at this level and she could be up there with all of the best players in the country.

I think she could be a role player at a Division II or lower Division I. I don't know that she would start for a good team at either level. She does all of the little things for her team now and Chris has done a great job of building his team around her.

There was a time at the end of her sophomore year that she was the entire team. Blalock was still a project not a first-team all-leaguer at that point and everyone else was a role player. Buker hurt her knee and he had to put the ball in Daniels hands to win games and she delivered time and time again. She averaged like 32 points the last six or seven games of the year. He would spread the floor and she would hold it in the backcourt and bring it up with like 10 seconds and go to work.

That worked, until she got up against Lyssa Dennard and HSU. Dennard frustrated her into a 9-for-28 night in the NCAA Tournament. My point with that not being that HSU stopped her, but Lyssa at 5-10 was able to frustrate her and stop her offensively. Well most of the players in Division II or I at the three or even the two position are going to be closer to what Dennard was physically.

Obviously she has improved on it this year, but previous years she was not a good shooter. Not a pure shooter like that level needs. She is shooting 41 percent this year from 3. I have not seen her this year to make the judgment, but I always though her hole as a player was her shooting. She got away with shooting a lot of layups that she wouldn't get at another level.   

Defensively, I would have to see as well. She is great in their zone, but I don't know that we can tell from a man-to-man point how good a defender she is. I always had the sense he was trying to hide her in the back of the zone. Now that she is at the top of the zone she is getting a lot of steals so maybe not.

She has also improved her ball handling as well over the years.

Of course I am biased, but Kendra Anderson dominated the game on both ends of the floor. She could score against anyone. She was for my money the best player the conference has seen. She won five NCAA Tournament games, her team was undefeated in the 2004 season, three-time league MVP, four-time ASC Championship Tournament MVP, four-time ASC champion.

On a side note I think there are about seven or eight players in the nine years I have been in the league that could play roles at a higher level, but I don't know that there has been a starter.

Here is my list of the ones I think could have played a role. Obviously, this is all opinion, but having worked at both Division I and Division III I think I have a decent handle on it.

Those that could have played a role.

Meia Daniels
April Ramirez (great all-around player)
Lacey Pallamarez (before she became Kennedy)
Tarra Richardson 
Lauren Harris (5-10 and could shoot it)
Ogonna Merritt (super freak athletically)
Kathryn Otwell (was big enough to play the three at that level)


Other top players that were probably too small for their position
Kendra Anderson (5-9 posts are never seen at that level)
Diana Martinez (great all-around)
Symbri Tuttle (too short, but was amazing at our level)
Ashley Edwards (a step slow)
Lisa Martinez (before the attitude problems)

Again just an opinion from someone who has probably seen her play more games than anyone that is not an HPU fan.



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 14, 2008, 06:59:45 PM
Chad, were you at HSU when they had Kathryn Otwell? I never saw her and was wondering how she compared to Kendra Anderson, since her name was all over the ASC record books.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 14, 2008, 07:26:02 PM
Great post, Chad!  +1
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on January 14, 2008, 07:45:22 PM
Chris,

I saw Kathryn play three games. I came in between the ASC Tournament and the NCAA Tournament her senior year. She was a different player than Kendra, way more perimeter. She was more of a slasher and she shot more 3's. I think overall Kendra was a better player, but she did not play as big of a role until the postseason of her freshman year. Kathryn played a more prominent role as a frosh, thus giving her more points for her career. Kendra's final three years were remarkable and I saw all of those games.

BTW. KA averaged 23.8 points and 9.8 rebounds in her final three years in the NCAA Tournament.  Her most memorable game for me was her final game in a loss to eventual champion Trinity she had 34 and 11 and 19 came in the second half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 15, 2008, 11:28:48 AM
Since no one else has mentioned it: how about those HSU Freshmen and transfers.  Standing at 10-2 with a rebuilt team has to be one of the best coaching the HSU coach has ever done.
Of course the real challenge will be against the awesome twosome.  I have a feeling that the MCM game will be a little closer than the last game.  Then in the first of the two games with HPU they will be in Brownwood first.  That could be tough.  I'm not cocky over the margin of victory they have been having.  Stats are just for D3hoops  people to go over when they have nothing else to speak of.

Thanks HSUSID for saying what I would liked to have said concerning the DI-D3 stuff.

By the way, like most years I get comments about how I should never say anything since I am not even on holy Texas ground.   Well this isn't a private chat room.  Even out here, I have been at least as correct (over the years) as those who go to every game.  I did meet the HSU coach once at homecoming last year and asked here to come out west some time.  Until that time I will remain one of the few conservatives in the state of California and will continue to keep in touch with my Texas roots. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2008, 12:13:37 PM
The McMurry HSU game next Monday will be big, coming after the CUA-UMHB swing.

That December game was one-in-a-lifetime.

I give the psychological edge to HSU when I try to look into the minds of the players.

The McMurry players remember the game.  I hope they put themselves into the shoes of the Cowgirls in trying to get prepared for the rematch.

As always with this rivalry and the HPU one,  I don't want to be greedy; I just want to win the last game of the season that we play these teams!   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2008, 07:59:55 PM
Has anyone heard why the ETBU at Trinity TX game on Jan 14th was canceled?

The ETBU and the Trinity sites say the game was scheduled for San Antonio, but the D3hoops. com page says ETBU was hosting.  ASC (http://www.ascsports.org/schedules.asp?path=wbball&season=2007-08&view=all) web page shows that game was for San Antonio.

I wanted to see how that game came out!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 15, 2008, 10:16:39 PM
I think that there have been great players in this conference. I think the size of the players and the small towns they have come from have kept them in DIII. DI shooting guards are big.  DI coaches start looking at these kids when they are in junior high.  If you don't play in those AAU summer leagues where the big school coaches go or your team doesn't get to the state tournament or your high school coach is not aggressive it's hard to get those schools to notice you.  Many a girl from around here has gone to DI or DII and sat on the bench or not played at all.  Sometimes they come back to DIII and stand out.  What I love about DIII is they play because they love this game.  I think we work as hard, but these ladies are not near as spoiled as scholarship players.  They appreciate the opportunity to continue to play the game they love.  Not that scholarship athletes don't love the game too, but they are getting their education paid for and lots of perks.  I know you (guys) love when I spout my emotions, but I couldn't let you have all the say so.  Meia, Tarra, Kendra, Kat, Symbri have all left their mark in the ASC. I feel honored to have been able to watch them all play.  There will be great players to follow them also.........
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2008, 10:32:08 PM
Quote from: fanstand on January 15, 2008, 10:16:39 PM
I think that there have been great players in this conference. I think the size of the players and the small towns they have come from have kept them in DIII. DI shooting guards are big.  DI coaches start looking at these kids when they are in junior high.  If you don't play in those AAU summer leagues where the big school coaches go or your team doesn't get to the state tournament or your high school coach is not aggressive it's hard to get those schools to notice you.  Many a girl from around here has gone to DI or DII and sat on the bench or not played at all.  Sometimes they come back to DIII and stand out.  What I love about DIII is they play because they love this game.  I think we work as hard, but these ladies are not near as spoiled as scholarship players.  They appreciate the opportunity to continue to play the game they love.  Not that scholarship athletes don't love the game too, but they are getting their education paid for and lots of perks.  I know you (guys) love when I spout my emotions, but I couldn't let you have all the say so.  Meia, Tarra, Kendra, Kat, Symbri have all left their mark in the ASC. I feel honored to have been able to watch them all play.  There will be great players to follow them also.........
:-*

;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on January 16, 2008, 12:51:54 PM
This women's ASC board had been really really quiet for several weeks.  I would like to take full credit for the great discussion and opinions and yes even insights from so many of you since my question on Saturday about Coach Duke and his comments about DI talent, transfers,etc.

I have tried to think of something else that might inspire such detailed and fun discussion, but I give up!!  I will say I am still extremely excited about and proud of our (#2 ranked this week) HPU Lady Yellow Jackets, but the tough and close  game Saturday does make me somewhat nervous--although it is not too hard to do that to me--the glass is usually half empty!!  It also reminds me again that "pride goeth before a fall," so no predictions will be forthcoming about the rest of the year.

I do know that for HPU to have a chance to do what all of us who are HPU fans hope this year, our team will need to be much more than Meia and others.   I thought the difference last year and hopefully this year was that she did not have to make every play every game for us to succeed at the highest level. While in my opinion she is better than ever this year and especially better than last year particularly---quicker, more confident, better shooting---we will still need Stacey Blalock, Kim Hoffman and others to perform consistently at a high level. Perhaps some did not do it Saturday, or perhaps MC played outstanding (I only listened) but I believe they can and they have before.  The next few weeks will be interesting.  I have seen UMHB, Concordia, HSU, UTD, UTT and of course HPU in person and followed all the others.    I am worried about everyone(surprise!)  but it looks as if HSU is especially playing well now.  We who follow the ASC West will all see soon.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 16, 2008, 01:01:54 PM
I know I'm a little late to this discussion but you shouldn't take the Jostens Award, which is based on academics and community service as well as basketball, as the be-all and end-all when it comes to the best basketball player in any measure.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on January 16, 2008, 04:56:02 PM
Kendra Anderson also won the Wade Trophy, given to the top player in Division III by the WBCA. I know what some of us think of their poll, but that award is nominated for and voted on by the coaches so I think it tends to lend a little more credibility than the Josten's as far as the best player. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 16, 2008, 09:40:18 PM
Back at ya Ralph!!! Big weekend and Monday for LIB.  I know we can pull this off, it'll be tough games.  I'm glad tough teams coming before Monday and old HSU.  As long as we play good defense, we'll be fine.  I am much quieter, Rick, than in the past...must be getting old. Thanks for getting some discussion going.  HPU has a pretty easy weekend so you should be able to relax.  We'll be seeing you soon................
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tball275 on January 17, 2008, 03:37:14 PM
I have been kicking an idea around for the past couple of days... about hosting an online talk show about ASC sports...  However, I would like to see if there is any interest... if so, please let me know... I have the resources and some ideas.  It would be free to listen to, of course, and I could accept callers and receive some of your thoughts....  Thanks.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on January 17, 2008, 08:21:50 PM
If you have an online radio show it needs to include the east and not just the west. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 17, 2008, 11:19:59 PM
nash if you check out their profile tball275 is an Ozarks person.  I would think they would include more stuff in the east than in the west.  It's a good idea to have the ASC radio show with interviews of coaches and players as well as a scoreboard show.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2008, 11:22:50 PM
I think that this is an effort that should arise from the conference office.

I really enjoy Hoopsville.  You can listen live or to the podcasts.

I hope that we can get something like that for the ASC.

I hope that he will consult with Pat Coleman or Dave McHugh!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 18, 2008, 11:43:51 AM
This is late, but I just wanted to comment on it.  I think that DIII players are great for DIII, but if they were good enough for DI or DII, they would be up there playing for DI and DII schools.  That is no means to be disrespectful towards anyone, but these players were not a stand out until a year or two coaching at the college level.  If they are good enough to play at a higher level, they would be playing there and still would not be at the DIII level.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 18, 2008, 04:22:57 PM
That is exactly right!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 19, 2008, 12:05:50 AM
This is my 500th post! 

I'm throwing myself a party. ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on January 19, 2008, 02:25:07 PM
does anybody know the score of the UTT-MC game. we are having trouble with the internet broadcast.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2008, 10:45:43 PM
I really like what is happening with McMurry this year.

Coach Snow's emphasis on defense is beginning to show results.

There were times when the substitution patterns and the effort to build the bench may not have resulted in victory margins that one would expect, but the shut down of UMHB in the last 14 minutes of Saturday's game was impressive.

It is not too early, either.  HSU, with its 10 new players, is getting it together.  This team bears no resemblance to the team that lost in Kimbrell in December, other than the numbers on the uniforms.

The HSU game should be sold out!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on January 21, 2008, 12:47:09 PM
I too really like what I'm seeing from McMurry this year.  What's amazing to me is Coach Snow's willingness to go far down the bench.  Sure, that means the scores look a lot closer.  But the dividends that will end up paying are high.

With Tara Richardson and Meagan Sawyer both leaving after this year, any minutes that go to these talented freshmen are valuable indeed.  Coach Snow has given them a chance to get some valuable minutes during important games where the game is still fairly close.  I think playing in a real game, with that pressure, is gonna help up out later this year...and next.

On another topic:  Chad, great posts about Kendra vs. Otwell.  I saw them both play countless times...I too would go with Anderson, but Otwell really rocked.  Of course having a point guard like Kelly McClure didn't hurt either!  She quarterbacked that team incredibly well!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 22, 2008, 01:14:12 PM
I, also, thought our women looked good.  They seemed almost listless against Concordia and UMHB -- I think they have a tendency to play down to the level of their opponent.  But they kicked it up last night.  Of course, they had to kick it up, for HSU is a class team with a class coach.  McM got ahead in the first half but HSU didn't panic; in the second half, they slowly whittled away the lead.  As the momentum shifted, the LIB didn't panic, either, and finally withstood the HSU rally.  It's easy to sound generous, I suppose, since we won, but I think both teams looked very sharp and I think both will give HPU a run for their money.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 24, 2008, 08:56:12 PM
HPU 69 UMHB 45
HSU 70 TLU 30
CUA 72 SRSU 52
UTD 65 LeTU 53
UTT 90 ETBU 67
MC 87 UO 56
McM 81 SU 68
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 24, 2008, 10:46:03 PM
Thanks for the scores...

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2008, 04:10:26 PM
McMurry fans and alums from the late 1960's, early 1970's will remember TLU Head Coach Katheryne Grahn's (http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/womens_athletics/womens_basketball/head_coach_katheryne_grahn) parents.

:)

Congratulations to Coach Grahn on the Head Coaching job at TLU!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sioux on January 28, 2008, 06:01:20 PM
Coach Grahn resigned today.

What does TLU have to do to be competitive, they are horrible?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 28, 2008, 09:15:27 PM
A big week coming up, with first McM and then HSU playing HPU in Brownwood.  Since all three have recently played (and beaten) UMHB, CUA, TLU, and Schreiner, I added up the numbers with the following (not unexpected) result:

HPU  +177
HSU  + 93
McM  + 90

HPU should have the edge, though a lot of those points come from the lopsided win against TLU (102-22, +80).  But when good teams meet, who knows what can happen? 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 28, 2008, 09:56:12 PM
Quote from: Sioux on January 28, 2008, 06:01:20 PM
Coach Grahn resigned today.

What does TLU have to do to be competitive, they are horrible?

It is hard to recruit kids to a losing program.  It is a hard road to walk.  If you don't win you can't recruit.  If you are not successful at recruiting you won't win.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BBenthusiast on January 30, 2008, 02:37:24 PM
How are all the nerves out there with the BIG match-up tomorrow in Brownwood?  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 30, 2008, 03:13:23 PM
I'm surprised there isn't more chatter on here right now with the big games upon us.

I think the fans are more nervous than the players.  It should be a fun environment.  Definitely come early if you want a good parking spot and a good seat. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 30, 2008, 03:29:46 PM
Stock up on the toilet paper!!!! I'm leaving work early tomorrow headed to B-wood with members of the family in tow.  Hopefully there will be seating for some of the visiting fans.  Heard on the radio, Brown County schools and their parents get in free......better save us McM faithful some seats. Who will win? Why of course a close game, I predict LIB on top as long as we play our game.  If not we'll see you next week at our house!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 30, 2008, 05:43:53 PM
HPU has taken extra measures to make sure that McMurry fans will be happier on the toilets than they will be in the gym :)

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funnymos.com%2Ffunny-pictures%2Fwomen%2Ftoiletpaper.jpg&hash=717d20a9988803eef23edc989a57c2b8734d106d)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2008, 06:14:50 PM
Quote from: dballa on January 30, 2008, 05:43:53 PM
HPU has taken extra measures to make sure that McMurry fans will be happier on the toilets than they will be in the gym :)

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funnymos.com%2Ffunny-pictures%2Fwomen%2Ftoiletpaper.jpg&hash=717d20a9988803eef23edc989a57c2b8734d106d)
Good luck, fanstand.  I hope you find the bathroom stall that has all of the toilet paper in it!  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BBenthusiast on January 30, 2008, 07:08:16 PM
dballa...I gotta tell you that I laughed out loud when I read your post!  :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 31, 2008, 10:32:16 AM
Cute dballa. But looking at the picture I know the plumbing is not that modern and the lighting sure isn't that good! Ha ha.....but it might be good for HPU fans to find that restroom so they can wipe all those tears away after the game.... ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 31, 2008, 11:16:30 AM
dballa,
When the NCAA sees that picture, they will have no excuse not to let HPU host a post-season sectional if they make it that far, unlike last year.  Forget the new floor -- TP is how you make an impression on the NCAA!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 31, 2008, 11:19:15 AM
Sorry fanstand I guess their budget left out a waiting room for the bathroom.  But hey there is a hand rail there for you.  It makes it easier to sit down on a sore butt after the game :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on January 31, 2008, 08:30:03 PM
"HPU dominates first half in 58-46 win over McMurry"

That's the headline on the McMurry webpage.

Here's the story link:  http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/wbball/2008/1/31/013108wbb.asp

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 31, 2008, 10:27:55 PM
Great win for the Lady Jackets.  HPU played a great first half.  The 2nd half McMurry turned up the intensity and made the game closer. 

McMurry only shot around 11% in the first half which I knew wouldn't last.  They looked tired and sluggish and like they weren't ready to play at all.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chemprof on January 31, 2008, 10:57:45 PM
Great ETBU over Mississippi College win tonight, 78-69. The top of the east is turbulent, they're all beating up on each other, 1st one week and 4th or 5th the next.  It's anybody's guess as to where the tournament will be.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 01, 2008, 11:16:11 AM
Our problem all semester seems to be consistency.  We have a lot of talent, but we can't seem to marshal it on a regular basis.  We're either hot or cold.  I've seen (or heard on the radio) any number of games where we started out sluggish and then dug out in the second half to win, but you can't play that way against a team as good as HPU.  In fact, about the only games where we didn't play that way were the two against HSU; we were hot in the first halves instead of the second.

I think the HSU match up with HPU Saturday will be closer than people expect.  While we beat them twice, HSU seems to be much more consistent than we are, and HPU could underestimate them after last night's win against the LIB.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BBenthusiast on February 01, 2008, 01:57:35 PM
HPU will not underestimate HSU.  They will be ready!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 02, 2008, 06:28:05 PM
Nobody has reported anything today??

HPU 67 HSU 51 FINAL.  Stacey Blalock had a career day with 28 pts.  HPU went to the rim hard a lot and caused a lot of HSU fouls, even though a few HSU fans weren't pleased with the calls.

I just want to know from some HSU fans, do the same people that were yelling tonight yell like that at all the games?  At a point it should be embarassing for them. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on February 02, 2008, 07:27:42 PM
Good Win for the HPU tonight.  But basically we are all waiting for the tourney!  Its nice to have great teams in the conference, but I must admit that it makes me put very little emphasis on the regular season.

nonetheless...Good W's this weekend...keep it up ladies!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 02, 2008, 09:57:02 PM
I seem to have been right about my first comment, but wrong on the second.  The LIB started out cold against Sul Ross, and were actually behind at the half.  Then, they finally caught fire and won it in the second half.  Why can't they play like that second half (or the one against HPU) all the time?  We seem to have a team that only steps up to the level of play they are capable of under pressure.  It must drive Coach Snow bonkers.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 03, 2008, 01:40:32 AM
why not give HPU or SRSU credit for first half play?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 04, 2008, 08:19:34 PM
For us to have lost to HPU by 12 after shooting 11% in the first half, we are OK.  We are not beating people up by 30 and 40 points every game. I don't think Coach Snow has that kind of killer instinct.  She is looking at different combinations, and playing to win not massacre the masses.  But when it comes to crunch time, she gets the players in that are playing the best, and that's why we keep winning.  HPU is good, especially at home.  Give credit, the floor is nice, but the buckets are hard to come by there. Why?  I don't know, they may have a tougher time at our house.  I saw the game on Saturday, Sul Ross played a great first half, but they just couldn't hang the second half.  We stepped it up and took charge of the game.  I don't care if we win by 1, as long as we get the W. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2008, 01:59:28 AM
How about the facilities and the TP?   ;)

Coach Kielsmeier is on Hoopsville in the second hour.  You can find the mp3 in the blog on the front page.

It was good to hear you, Coach K.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 05, 2008, 09:49:05 AM
Ralph the only thing different is the floor and the scoreboard.  The scoreboard is nice, at least you can see and hear the shot clock, now. Didn't even check on tp while I was there......dballa, can you only hear the opposing fans?  Your fans are awful, the things they say to the opposing benches, borderlines obscene.  They aren't yelling positive things to your team, they are degrading the other team, they sit in areas designated for visiting teams and are rude.  We all have fans that are an embarrasment, especially when you are winning, it seems to bring out the worst.  We have them at McM and I have seen them at HSU, and I have seen them at your house.  I have been loud and obnoxious, but never degrading or vulgar.  I don't care if they are young, football players or whatever, I don't want to hear obscenities.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 05, 2008, 10:44:04 AM
Sorry the only time I hear our fans is when the place is going crazy.  I'm sure some of the students have said negative things that they shouldn't have.  You don't want to hear obscenities at the game and I don't either.  I don't want to hear opposing fans such as the HSU fans crying the whole game about the officials.  One guy even kept saying I can see why you're #2 in the nation, pretty much saying the officials gave HPU that ranking. 

Thats all I heard that whole game were the HSU fans right behind us.  I don't remember anything like that at the McMurry game.  I think more so I heard McMurry fans getting onto their own players for missing so many easy layups and shots in the first half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 05, 2008, 10:52:48 AM
Your #2 because your team is undefeated, not rocket science working here. In all the years I have followed these teams, the HSU fans have never thought their team EVER fouled.  We all have the annoying fans. I was disappointed in the numbers at the HPU/McM game.  We didn't have as many fans as I thought we would.  But the atmosphere was good.  We didn't have much to cheer about the first half.  Maybe this week....ya know the undefeated season is hard to come by...........ask the Pats!! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 05, 2008, 10:58:40 AM
I'll definitely be there in Abilene on Thursday.  It should be fun.  I hope the place is packed.  I don't expect anybody to have a 24 pt lead in that game.  It should be tight the whole game and just like the last two years in Abilene it may come down to a buzzer beater.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2008, 11:58:41 AM
The motto for NCAA Division III is...
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Be loud, be proud, be positive!

If the football players are getting out of hand, then the football coaches need to step in.

(Usually they do.)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 05, 2008, 12:22:30 PM
I shouldn't pick on football players, I don't know who they are really. Just some big ole' boys.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2008, 12:34:53 PM
Quote from: fanstand on February 05, 2008, 12:22:30 PM
I shouldn't pick on football players, I don't know who they are really. Just some big ole' boys.
Sometimes, football coaches can work help there, too!  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 05, 2008, 12:48:23 PM
They couldn't have been too big if they were football players, our offensive and defensive lines weren't very big :)


I was looking at some of the other message boards and they were talking about sportsmanship after the games and the whole hand shaking process.  It has been an ongoing tradition for HPU to meet at center court in a big circle to say a prayer and to invite the opposing team, win or lose, after shaking hands.  I was curious as to why the McMurry assistant left the court before even shaking hands and didn't join her head coach and the rest of the players at center court? 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on February 05, 2008, 01:08:38 PM
Fanstand:

One point of clarification on our improvements at HPU.  Not only are the floor and scoreboards new, but also both goals with the shot clock and game clock on them are new--also the real scorer's table with our logo and everything that goes with such a table, not a table with a drape over it. Also, all the chairs with  logos, name etc. are new.  I also like the blue/gold paint scheme around the court.  Yes, it is still the coliseum, but I think miles better.  In fact, to me the lighting seemed better just from reflecting off the light color floor, not the dark brown old one. By the way, the downstairs restrooms are larger and some better than the ones upstairs--I highly recommend them!

As far as fans, I am not a big fan of negative things directed at the other team (especially by boys yelling at girls) and I wish it did not happen--although I may have been guilty of yelling at refs more often than I should,  to me that is different than harassing your opponent.  I do draw the line at profanity by anyone, however.  My tolerance is zero for that, and if that is happening it needs to be stopped--at HPU  or anywhere in the ASC. That is absolutely indefensible on every level. If it happened at the MCM game, I apologize, and if it was students, it clearly should be dealt with strongly and policed more effectively.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BBenthusiast on February 05, 2008, 01:41:09 PM
Thanks Rick! You expressed the way many of us feel!  In the heat of the game, I have also voiced my displeasure at a ref or two! It is hard to control students when they get cranked up! Sometimes they do get carried away.  They have also been carried away at both McM and HSU as I have personally witnessed.  Guys sitting close to the floor harrassing our players.  It happens!

Fanstand....please share with us why your asst. coach DID leave the floor so abruptly.  I believe you have the inside track.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 05, 2008, 02:33:39 PM
Coach D was picking up uniform tops and clearing the bench after the game. I noticed she looked to the circle, but they were already into their prayer, and would not make a "late" entrance and interrupt. Her job is to open the locker and get all the stuff to the locker room after the game.  I have not seen her go through any of the lines this year after a game anywhere. She was talking to Coach K before the game, I'm sure there is no snub there. Find something else to pick on.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 05, 2008, 02:54:19 PM
I would think Sportsmanship would rank ahead of opening a locker room or clearing off the benches.  At least she could go through the line then get everything ready while the players are in their prayer circle.  To not do so shows up negatively towards people who view that as an important part of the game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 05, 2008, 03:39:58 PM
I don't believe Coach D has ever done anything unsportsmanlike or unprofessional ever.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 05, 2008, 04:44:14 PM
Quote from: fanstand on February 05, 2008, 10:52:48 AM
Maybe this week....ya know the undefeated season is hard to come by...........ask the Pats!! ;D

That would be pretty nice.  The Pats went undefeated during the regular season and only lost in the Super Bowl.  If HPU were to lose one game all year that would be the place I would want to lose it, in the championship game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2008, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 05, 2008, 04:44:14 PM
Quote from: fanstand on February 05, 2008, 10:52:48 AM
Maybe this week....ya know the undefeated season is hard to come by...........ask the Pats!! ;D

That would be pretty nice.  The Pats went undefeated during the regular season and only lost in the Super Bowl.  If HPU were to lose one game all year that would be the place I would want to lose it, in the championship game.
If I am given the choice of a victory over HPU, I will take the last game of the season myself!  ;)

(I just hope that that is in the NCAA's.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BBenthusiast on February 05, 2008, 09:34:42 PM
Fanstand...  I know you are super sensitive because she is part of your family.  In years past she has participated.  We just wondered what the deal was. Regardless of what she was doing...it did look like a snub.  I will take your word, that it was not!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bench Coach on February 06, 2008, 10:32:52 AM
First of all, doing your job is the most important thing and I don't think it has anything to do with being unsportsman like.  Dballa, why don't you take a look on the floor during the game when one of the HPU players tried to kick a McM player in the shin when she flopped on the ground.  Who cares if the assistant coach made it to the circle or not.  I am sure when HPU goes to McM and they pray after the game she will be there, just for you, so you won't say she is unsportsman like. 

BBenthusiast, do you really know if fanstand is related to the assistant coach or are you making an assumption?  I thought this was a secretive board, isn't that why most of us have different names.

If she hasn't gone through any of the other lines, why would she go through this one, just because it is HPU?  WHO CARES!!!!  I am an assistant coach and I don't go through the lines, does that make me unsportsman like or snub?  I don't think so.  As an assitant coach you have a job to do, that means you have to do your job no matter what!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 06, 2008, 12:07:24 PM
Quote from: Bench Coach on February 06, 2008, 10:32:52 AM
Dballa, why don't you take a look on the floor during the game when one of the HPU players tried to kick a McM player in the shin when she flopped on the ground. 

A flop??  I don't recall it being a flop when the offensive player lowers their shoulder and throw an elbow into the defensive player knocking them to the floor.   

But if you want to talk about that, how about in the second half As an HPU player was driving to the rim one of McMurry's guards flopped and then tripped her knocking her to the ground.  Would that be considered kicking at the shins too?

As far as not going through the lines, don't get all pissy and throw out some extra !!!! It was a question asked because pretty much everybody else's assistant coach goes through the line but McMurry's doesn't. 


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BBenthusiast on February 06, 2008, 12:22:46 PM
Bench Coach....it is no assumption...she is your mother.      
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1wildcatfan on February 06, 2008, 12:55:43 PM
I have been keeping up with the Lady Wildcats this season. They are the team to watch. I think they can upset a few teams in the ASC tournament. They are really young with only 1 senior and 1 junior on the team. They really like Coach Richard and I like what she is doing there to. After all the majority of the freshmen on the team we recruited last year. Coach Potera-Haskins is probably having one of her worst years of coaching at West Palm University. She was probably the worst coach to come through the conference and she almost tore down the Lady Wildcat tradition at LC but thankfully God landed Coach Richard back at home and she has already brought winning back to LC. I am looking forward to Thursday nights game against LETU. It is Fill the Fieldhouse. So it is going to be packed at H.O.W. Fieldhouse. The girls games bring more fans than the guys games now.

GOOD LUCK LADY CATS!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bench Coach on February 06, 2008, 02:07:01 PM
Like I said, thought this was suppose to be anonymous, I am not calling people out.  I was just asking a question, doesn't call for people to be pointing out who people are. 

Dballa - as far as pissy, you were talking about sportsmanship and I don't think it is right for someone to be judged on something that small  on their sportsmanship.
Quote from: dballa on February 05, 2008, 02:54:19 PM
I would think Sportsmanship would rank ahead of opening a locker room or clearing off the benches.  At least she could go through the line then get everything ready while the players are in their prayer circle.  To not do so shows up negatively towards people who view that as an important part of the game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bench Coach on February 06, 2008, 03:25:13 PM
Well I think that this whole topic has been blown out of proportion. If you guys want to assume that the assistant coach has bas sportsmanship go right ahead. I think you need to mind your own business and quit passing judgement on others. You don't know anything about the McMurry program, everything is based on your own perception, no facts. She has done nothing to you or your program. So if the head coach choses not to shake the opposing starters hands when they are being introduced is that bad sportsmanship? If that's the case then the last 12 years McMmurry has had bad sportsmanship in your eyes. Is it bad sportsmanship to not pray before the game publicly? Well, there are schools within the conference that chose not to pray before games! Dballa, you have your beliefs and views, it's America and it is your right, but don't pass judgement on others unless you know the facts. Coach Snow and Coach D. run a first class program with first class young ladies. Most of the conference has those type of women's programs.


BBenthusiast, I think you more than anybody know what a flop is!!!!!! It runs in your family I am pretty sure :) Maybe you should re-watch the game film and figure out what "kicking" is.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BBenthusiast on February 06, 2008, 03:38:14 PM
Bench Coach, please quit talking about yourself in the 3rd person. It's annoying!  I think we are verging on unprofessionalism here!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 06, 2008, 05:52:24 PM
Regardless if anybody on this board is a coach or not. I would think a coach would have more important things to worry about like prepare for a game, watch film, run practice, recruit,  then to comment on a message board.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 07, 2008, 10:06:14 AM
I'm putting this to rest. Coach D does not post on this board, she is way too busy. I try to never single out players or coaches even when I do not agree with things that are said or done, especially negatively. I hope to give a view point without being personal. I certainly try not to name, names. I will defend my family when personally attacked, like a mama bear.  Thats my job, and I defend "all" my girls.  Personally, I think my LIB team speaks for itself, I believe they will take care of it on the court. Go LIB!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2008, 10:20:46 AM
Hi -- for those who think this board is "secretive" and "anonymous," remember that you had to give an e-mail address, and a valid one at that, to post here.

When you saw that requirement you should not have had any expectation of secrecy or anonymity.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 07, 2008, 08:42:38 PM
HPU 56 McM 51 final
A good game, with a lot of lead changes.  Unfortunately, the LIB came out on the short end at the end.   :'(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 07, 2008, 08:50:33 PM
Meia Daniels took the game over in the second half. The rebounding has to be concern for the Jackets. Good game with another tough one Saturday. Good Luck Jackets!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 08, 2008, 12:23:35 AM
McMurry is falling faster than my karma points.  HPU played well enough to win the game.  They know they can play better and will play better. 

They need to get rid of those heat lamps in Crumble Arena as well as get rid of the broken down old bleachers from the 50's.  I was expecting Dennis Hopper to walk onto the floor drunk.

Great win, time for one more in Abilene for the Ladies In Brownwood

GO JACKETS!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1wildcatfan on February 08, 2008, 11:11:31 AM
Congratulations to the LADY WILDCATS!! GREAT win last night. Their defense was superb last night. Ashley P. #20 was sidelined with a mild concussion from the ETBU game Saturday. She is their best defensive player. Also, Taylor Henderson went down with an ankle injury in the first 6 minutes of the 2nd half. I predict they win out the rest of their games and will host the ASC Tourney. To bad I am not their reaping the benefits of what we put together last year in recruiting. I give Coach Richard props for what she has done. She is an excellent coach.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 08, 2008, 02:18:31 PM
Was a really good game last night. We proved, we are an excellent team too, with just a couple of buckets falling our way, we would have won.  This one was more of what this team is made of. Next game against HPU could very well be ours. Right now we are back to concentrating on the next game, Sul Ross.  HPU is not unbeatable, they are ranked #2 for a reason, but they are not unstoppable.  It was a great game, we just came up a little short, we shot ourselves in the foot, free throws and a couple of missed easy buckets.  The tying three rimmed in the cylinder and came out.  That's how the game goes, it isn't close to the end of the season. McMurry just gave you the game of your season, they aren't "falling". Glad you like LIB......we know who they are.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 08, 2008, 02:34:35 PM
I agree with you fanstand that HPU is beatable, but that was one of HPU's worse games of the season. Just because the score is close doesn't mean the game was good.  HPU only shot 34% from the field and the HPU's rebounding was horrible.  Considering McM ranks at the bottom of the ASC for rebounds I definetly see that changing if they meet again. Numerous turnovers for both teams, which I am sure both will look to get better at. Foul trouble changed the game as did Meia Daniels, who McM couldn't find an answer for. I am curious to see how Bench Coach saw the game???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 08, 2008, 03:19:31 PM
HPU shooting was probable due to our defense. We were crashing the boards better this game, that gave us our advantage in rebounds. I have heard dballa say that turnovers for the other team was due to HPU defense before, so a game of good defense should have lower shooting percentages and larger turnovers.  If that wasn't a good game, I don't know what more you want.  I guess unless you just blow the other team away, its not a good game.  There were only a couple of what I saw as questionable calls, but they aren't even worth discussing, because they game as a whole was just good.  So if you think boring blowouts are good games, more power to you.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2008, 03:44:33 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on February 08, 2008, 02:34:35 PM
I agree with you fanstand that HPU is beatable, but that was one of HPU's worse games of the season.

Is this never because of the opponent? Can't the opponent cause a team to have an off night?

This is beginning to be one of my message board pet peeves.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 08, 2008, 04:26:49 PM
Both teams play great defense.  HPU missed a lot of shots they normally make.  Just like McM did in Brownwood in the first half.  The 21 missed shots weren't all directly due to HPU's defense.  Richardson stole a ball from an HPU player and had a wide open layup with nobody around for 5 to 10 feet and she hit the bottom of the rim.  Other McM players missed wide open layups on fast breaks and even in their set offense.

Rebounding, HPU didn't attack the boards, McM did.  That will change.

Offensively HPU needs to hit more outside shots to open up the inside game.  They haven't been doing that lately.  They have had some really good looks at some 3's they just have to knock them down.

McM needs to have someone other than Richardson scoring on offense.  Sawyer is a streaky shooter.  When she's on nobody can stop her from scoring, whether it's a 3 or driving and hitting a 5 to 10 foot jumper.  The rest of the team hasn't shown that they can score consistently.  If they aren't hitting outside shots then Richardson can be double and triple teamed.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 08, 2008, 04:27:53 PM
I apologize for not giving credit to McM. McM played a good game, I'll try and give credit in the future. I was listening on the radio and reading the stat sheet, so I didn't get to see how either team played defense. Does McM usually crash the boards that well in other games fanstand? I referred to it as bad game because both teams sounded sloppy with the amount of turnovers they committed.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WWWRHH on February 08, 2008, 05:54:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2008, 03:44:33 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on February 08, 2008, 02:34:35 PM
I agree with you fanstand that HPU is beatable, but that was one of HPU's worse games of the season.

Is this never because of the opponent? Can't the opponent cause a team to have an off night?

This is beginning to be one of my message board pet peeves.

An MIAA and Hope fan "lurker" here.  I am going to make a comment here because I think we Hope fans find ourselves in similar circumstances.

Pat has touched on a problem fans of strong teams run into.  We expect perfection from the opening tip off and forget that the opponents are up for the game because an upset could turn their year around.  Do our expectations place too much pressure on "our" team?

Last night, Hope (which like HPU is undefeated) won by almost thirty and had double the opponent's rebounds, but there was a comment about the team not showing up for the first half of games.  We forget that the opponents have designed a game plan to try to counter the Dutch's strengths.

When the team win's big, we forget is that it is not fun watching your team get soundly defeated after they have left everything on the court.  If their behavior is a little less gracious than what we think it should be let's give them the benefit of the doubt - even though it is not always easy to do.

In the heat of the battle, I also find it is too easy to forget the principals that our schools, by their affliation, represent.

Good Luck HPU.  Maybe we will see each other in March and then we will see how clouded my impassioned judgement is  :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 09, 2008, 05:53:58 PM
I carefully watched McM Assistant Coach D after today's game with Sul Ross to witness her alleged lack of sportsmanship.  She did not join the team in shaking hands with the SR players, as did Coach S, but turned, matter-of-factly, to pick up the towels on the players' seats.  What may have looked like bad sportsmanship after a tough loss at HPU is simply a classy Christian lady doing her job.  She has the inscription "Miracles happen to those who believe" on her office door, and everyone here respects her highly.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 09, 2008, 06:40:07 PM
Let it go already!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 10, 2008, 02:50:59 PM
Thank you McMfan.  Where or where is the conference tourney gonna be? Its a tight race in the east.......I really would rather not have to drive to Louisana or Mississippi, but we won't know until the end I guess. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2008, 03:05:18 PM
In the West, UMHB has the tie-breaker over CUA by virtue of sweeping the series 2-0.  They currently play identical foes in the remaining 4 games, HPU/SRSU on the road and McM/HSU at home in the last week of the season.

In the East, UT-Tyler has a one game lead over LaCollege and a two-game lead over MissColl.

UT-Tyler plays at LeTU and hosts ETBU this week.  In the last week, they go to LaCollege and to Miss College.  Currently LaCollege has the edge with an 11-point win over UT-Tyler.  (10 points is the most that the tie-breaker acknowledges.)

LaCollege hosts Miss College on Tuesday, goes to UOzarks on Saturday and then hosts UT-Tyler and UT-Dallas the next weekend.  LaCollege can host the tourney by winning out.

Miss College is 2-games behind UT-Tyler and badly needs some help, but they can help themselves by beating LaCollege in Pineville on Tuesday, beating UOzarks in Clarksville on Thursday and then beating UT-Dallas and UT-Tyler the next weekend.

Let's see the results of the "really big game" in Pineville on Tuesday night, before going further with the analysis of possibilities.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on February 10, 2008, 06:57:40 PM
Wow there is so much anger on here!  Reminds me of the days arguing w/ "In the Paint" about Coack K's snicker bar meals. ;D ha ha  though id say we both took each others comments with a smirk (even though i was ALWAYS right  ;) ) ... i think everyone should sit back, relax, listen to some Beatles records, and remember...

ITS ALMOST TOURNEY TIME!!!   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 10, 2008, 07:46:31 PM
Who's angry?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sioux on February 12, 2008, 09:46:13 AM
I heard that 2 players at TLU quit during the game on Sat. and later the coach did the same thing. Anybody else hear about this? As a program what do you do now? The coach is already gone and is that what you get for keeping a lame duck coach around until the end of the season?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1wildcatfan on February 12, 2008, 11:09:48 AM
Congratulations to the Lady Cats on their win on Saturday!! They played without 2 of their starters. They are going to be dressed tonight for the MC game but in backup roles. This game is always good at LC. If we win we should be 1/2 game back of Tyler for first place. Good luck tonight Lady Cats!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 12, 2008, 12:54:04 PM
Quote from: Sioux on February 12, 2008, 09:46:13 AM
I heard that 2 players at TLU quit during the game on Sat. and later the coach did the same thing. Anybody else hear about this? As a program what do you do now? The coach is already gone and is that what you get for keeping a lame duck coach around until the end of the season?

That's sad to hear if it's true.  They were up by 2 at the half of that UMHB game.  They need a coach in there who cares about that program and wants to build it up.  If they don't get that soon, we could see them dropping women's basketball at TLU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2008, 01:14:24 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 12, 2008, 12:54:04 PM
Quote from: Sioux on February 12, 2008, 09:46:13 AM
I heard that 2 players at TLU quit during the game on Sat. and later the coach did the same thing. Anybody else hear about this? As a program what do you do now? The coach is already gone and is that what you get for keeping a lame duck coach around until the end of the season?

That's sad to hear if it's true.  They were up by 2 at the half of that UMHB game.  They need a coach in there who cares about that program and wants to build it up.  If they don't get that soon, we could see them dropping women's basketball at TLU.
The problem with "dropping" basketball at TLU is that the NCAA requires one sport in each season.  That means that TLU would need to commit to keeping Indoor Track and Field as their winter season sport!

I don't think that TLU can afford to drop basketball.  TLU does not offer swimming.  The ASC does not have a championship for indoor track and field.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 12, 2008, 02:17:17 PM
I don't think NCAA guidelines will come in to play if you can't put 5 players on the court.   Hopefully the rest of the team will stick around and they'll bring in a coach that will want to build up the program and not bail in the middle of a tough season.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2008, 02:26:29 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 12, 2008, 02:17:17 PM
I don't think NCAA guidelines will come in to play if you can't put 5 players on the court.   Hopefully the rest of the team will stick around and they'll bring in a coach that will want to build up the program and not bail in the middle of a tough season.
Quite the contrary, I am trying to emphasize how critical it is for TLU to field a women's basketball team!  If TLU doesn't meet the basic requirement for membership in the NCAA, then they are out!  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 12, 2008, 02:44:52 PM
Sorry I was apparently "harassing" a customer on the phone who owes us money when I read yours and wrote that.  Must have been a McMurry graduate :) since I'm good at harassing you guys.

You're right the entire athletic program would feel the impact.  I guess if they did leave that would give Ozarks a new travel partner if the conference was adjusted.

Of course all this talk is just talk, since they still have enough players to have a team now and all of those players still have more than one year of eligibility left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 12, 2008, 02:48:20 PM
Oh and by the way, congrats to the Lady Jackets on a sweep in Abilene and keeping the perfect season alive.  Also congrats to Meia Daniels for being this weeks ASC West player of the week.  Stacey Blalock and Kim Hoffman had a great weekend as well tearing up HSU's posts.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 12, 2008, 05:59:20 PM
What happens to basketball at TLU affects all of us, for of any school leaves the conference it's a loss to everyone else.  And even if a school doesn't leave, it hurts all of us if it's struggling, for no one wants automatic blowout games all the time even if you're on the winning end of them.  If any TLU posters are here, we at the other schools wish you the best in getting your program back on track.  We want you to have a strong program!  (Well, maybe not as strong as HPU is right now...  ;D)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on February 13, 2008, 02:45:11 AM
this may be a stupid question...but i honestly don't know.  :-\

Where is the Final Four being played?  :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2008, 09:01:24 AM
Quote from: Rob Don on February 13, 2008, 02:45:11 AM
this may be a stupid question...but i honestly don't know.  :-\

Where is the Final Four being played?  :o
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Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 13, 2008, 10:46:25 AM
In other words it's at Hope College in Holland, Michigan
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2008, 10:30:56 PM
Miss College 89, UOzarks 73 (http://eagles.ozarks.edu/wbasketball/stats/07_08/TEAMSTAT.HTM).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2008, 03:08:08 AM
UT-Tyler hosts if they win two more ball games.  After that it gets much more complicated.  We can project that after Saturday's games.



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on February 17, 2008, 12:23:39 PM
Congratulations Tarra!

http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/wbball/2008/2/16/021608wbb.asp
Title: American Sothwest Confrence Tournament
Post by: HPU22 on February 17, 2008, 09:00:46 PM
Can anyone tell me how the seedings are put into the bracket format?  I am not sure how all this is determined.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference Tournament
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2008, 09:09:13 PM
Quote from: HPU22 on February 17, 2008, 09:00:46 PM
Can anyone tell me how the seedings are put into the bracket format?  I am not sure how all this is determined.
Welcome HPU22.  I understand that this is the bracket.  Corrections are greatly appreciated.  I have heard that HSU would play HPU in the second round, if both won the opening round games.  Top team is home.


East #1   ____________
West #4
                                         _______________
West #2 _____________
East #3
                                                                       ________________
West #1_____________
East #4
                                         _______________
East #2 _____________
West #3


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU22 on February 17, 2008, 09:13:54 PM
Thank you Mr. Turner hey congrats goes out to Tara good job
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2008, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: HPU22 on February 17, 2008, 09:13:54 PM
Thank you Mr. Turner hey congrats goes out to Tara good job
Thank you, and travel safely!

I just noticed that HPU is graduating a lot as well as McMurry!

Pippins, Daniels, Hoffman, Blalock!  There are some good basketball players there!

McMurry is graduating Richardson, Sawyer, and Nelson (in three years), and Erika Peters!

Looks like only Shelby Hodges and Rachel Cisneroz graduate from HSU, Lanean Harris from CTX, and Blair Heitmiller from UMHB.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 18, 2008, 10:26:02 AM
I'm trying to convince Allie and Erika to play another year.  How special for Tarra to break the records on Saturday.  She is such a great person, a joy to watch her do her job on the court and in the classroom.  She is very quiet and humble.  McMurry got a special young lady in her.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2008, 02:46:37 PM
So I am going to guess that we will have Co-West Player of the Year with Meia Daniels and Tara Richardson splitting the honor? Any input?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on February 18, 2008, 05:45:44 PM
thats the way it should be but you never know
Title: ASC Tournament
Post by: golfniz1 on February 18, 2008, 06:00:48 PM
BOY THIS YEARS TOURNEY IS GOING TO BE A GOOD ONE.  I THINK THIS TOURNEY COULD TOP THEM ALL WITH THE WAY THE TEAMS ARE PLAYING RIGHT NOW.  GO HPU!


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1wildcatfan on February 19, 2008, 10:13:51 AM
Great win for the LADY CATS this past Saturday!! We need to win these two games this week and we need UTT to lose to MC. We finally got our 2 starters back but we lost another player to a concussion. She should be back for Saturday's game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chemprof on February 19, 2008, 04:00:22 PM
Congratulations to ETBU freshman Julie Bowman, 39 points against UT-Tyler!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 21, 2008, 04:25:52 PM
I think this is the first time I've ever rooted for another team in the ASC.  I'm hoping UT-Tyler wins it tonight over LC so we can have the conference tournament in an area that's a little easier to get to for most folks.

If anybody is going to be listening to the game on the radio or will be there in person and can post scores please do so.  I was going to listen to it on the internet but apparently neither one will be airing it over the net.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 21, 2008, 11:37:06 PM
dballa,
You seem to have gotten your wish.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 22, 2008, 07:45:07 AM
Well it's the only way my family is able to go to the games due to other obligations later Sunday night in the metroplex.

Thanks to the person that posted the scores on the scoreboard so I could post them on here.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 22, 2008, 04:05:24 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on February 18, 2008, 02:46:37 PM
So I am going to guess that we will have Co-West Player of the Year with Meia Daniels and Tara Richardson splitting the honor? Any input?
Who won the West MVP last year?  Did Meia and Tara share it?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 22, 2008, 05:17:12 PM
Meia is more valuable to her team --
Tarra is a great player--

good luck to whoever votes ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on February 22, 2008, 07:01:44 PM
both are good players no doubt, but they are only as good as the players around them. i feel that without Tara McMurry would have a much more difficult time HPU would without Meia.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 22, 2008, 07:52:06 PM
Quote from: jmnaseum on February 22, 2008, 05:17:12 PM
Meia is more valuable to her team --
Tarra is a great player--

good luck to whoever votes ???
I have to think just the opposite.  I think if both teams lost their respective player during the season at the same time, McMurry would have had more loses due to Tara's absence, than HPU would have to Meia's absence.  HPU has been winning the last few weeks with Meia playing well below 100% with her fractured thumb.  Others have stepped it up on the team to make up for her injury.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 22, 2008, 08:52:26 PM
McMurry beat Mississippi College (in Clinton) without Tara
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2008, 09:14:49 PM
ESPN.com featured the UNC-Greensboro player Kyle Hines who has 2000 points, 1000 rebounds and 300 blocks.

Kyle Hines (http://www.soconsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=1393248&db_oem_id=4000)

Look who is in that select company!

QuoteWith 11 rebounds on the night, Kyle Hines became just the sixth player in NCAA history to record 2,000 points, 1,000 rebounds and 300 blocks joining Derrick Coleman (Syracuse), Tim Duncan (Wake Forest), Pervis Ellison (Louisville), Alonzo Morning (Georgetown) and David Robinson (Navy).

By my calculations, Tarra has the 2000 points, but needs 34 rebounds and 14 blocks to hit those numbers.  She has one regular season game and hopefully several more in the tourneys.

I hope that Tarra hits those numbers, and I pray for the eyesight of the official scorers.  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on February 22, 2008, 11:36:28 PM
No doubt Tara is a good player Mr. Turner and is an impact in any game as is Meia, but I still thank that the players around these 2 make their jobs alot easier.  Both HPU and McMurry have very good role players.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2008, 11:53:22 PM
Quote from: golfniz1 on February 22, 2008, 11:36:28 PM
No doubt Tara is a good player Mr. Turner and is an impact in any game as is Meia, but I still thank that the players around these 2 make their jobs alot easier.  Both HPU and McMurry have very good role players.
I agree...

I just want the ultimate winner to go deep in the tourney!

Trinity (altho' that was not a "heavily-Texas" team) won it all in 2003. HSU went to the Final Four in 2006.

The ASC (and Texas) need that annual presence!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on February 23, 2008, 01:29:13 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on February 22, 2008, 04:05:24 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on February 18, 2008, 02:46:37 PM
So I am going to guess that we will have Co-West Player of the Year with Meia Daniels and Tara Richardson splitting the honor? Any input?
Who won the West MVP last year?  Did Meia and Tara share it?
Symbri Tuttle won the ASC West Player of the Year last year
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 23, 2008, 02:24:46 PM
Well some clarification on the MVP awards, Meia Daniels won the tournament MVP and was ASC Female Athlete of the Year. I can't find anything about regular season MVP.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on February 23, 2008, 02:37:17 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on February 23, 2008, 02:24:46 PM
Well some clarification on the MVP awards, Meia Daniels won the tournament MVP and was ASC Female Athlete of the Year. I can't find anything about regular season MVP.

Obviously, you need proof.

http://www.ascsports.org/oldsite/w-basketball/awards.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2008, 03:36:29 PM
UMHB has taken it to McMurry.  LIB's only leads have been in the second half.

McM  lead 50-49 with 6:49, and 55-54 with 1:13.

It is now McM 57-54.  UMHB ball with 0:29 left.

McMurry's Dominique Brown stole the ball.

McMurry's Amber Horton made one of two, 58-54.  After a couple of more fouls, the final score is 61-54.  Final.

McMurry held UMHB scoreless in the last 5 minutes.  McMurry came back from a 54-50 deficit.

UMHB's Landie Thompson (C, Fr. Lake Travis HS) had 20 points and 21 rebounds!  It looks like Thompson may be the next really great up-and-coming ASC-West Center.

Richardson had 16 points, 8 rebounds and 3 blocks. (Tarra has  2040 points, 974 rebounds and 289 blocks and 195 steals for her career.  After UTD 2065 points, 982 rebounds, 290 blocks and 198 steals.  After UMHB in the semis, 2088 points, 992 rebounds, 294 blocks and 201 steals.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 23, 2008, 03:43:55 PM
I didn't doubt Symbri won the award I just couldn't find the release for it. Thanks
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2008, 03:48:55 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on February 23, 2008, 03:43:55 PM
I didn't doubt Symbri won the award I just couldn't find the release for it. Thanks
Sethhpu, be sure and save the URL to get to the old site!   ;)

I know that it is not intuitive from the new site.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 23, 2008, 05:23:09 PM
Oh I did, and I didn't mean to question the award. I just knew what Meia had won and couldn't remember who had the West MVP last season. But looking back at the two MVP's in Tuttle and Kennedy (broke the assists and scoring records) it would seem to lean towards Tara since she broke the scoring and rebounding records. Personally I don't think you can pick one or the other for MVP. Meia and Tara are both outstanding players and two of the best the ASC has seen. Thankfully I am not a coach and have to choose between the two.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2008, 06:02:18 PM
Miss College 61, UT-Tyler 56.  Live Stats (http://livestats.internetconsult.com/mississippi/wbball/)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2008, 07:10:45 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2008, 06:02:18 PM
Miss College 61, UT-Tyler 56.  Live Stats (http://livestats.internetconsult.com/mississippi/wbball/)
Early postings have HPU vs LaCollege, McMurry vs UT-Dallas, HSU vs Miss College and UMHB vs UT-Tyler.

Is that correct?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 23, 2008, 10:30:49 PM
2008 ASC WOMEN'S BASKETBALL
CHAMPIONSHIP TOURNAMENT SCHEDULE

Hosted by University of Texas at Tyler,
Herrington Patriot Center / in Tyler, Texas

Friday, February 29
Quarterfinals
Game 1: [W1] Howard Payne (25-0) vs. [E4] Louisiana College (15-10), 1:00 p.m.
Game 2: [E2] Mississippi College (15-10) vs. [W3] Hardin-Simmons (20-5), 3:00 p.m.
Game 3: [W2] McMurry (19-2) vs. [E3] Texas-Dallas (16-9), 6:00 p.m.
Game 4: [E1] Texas-Tyler (17-8) vs. [W4] Mary Hardin-Baylor (14-11), 8:00 p.m.
Saturday, March 1

Semifinals
Game 5: Game 1 winner vs. Game 2 winner, 3:00 p.m.
Game 6: Game 3 winner vs. Game 4 winner, 5:00 p.m.
Sunday, March 2

Championship
Game 7: Semifinal winners, 2:00 p.m.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 23, 2008, 10:45:55 PM
Any thoughts on the ASC getting more than one team into the post-season?  I'm thinking McM got a Pool C bid last year only because we were the only team to beat HPU in the regular season.  While we're all proud of HPU giving the ASC some national recognition, one side effect of them being so successful could be no other ASC team going beyond next week's conference tournament -- unless there's an upset and they win the tournament outright.  That would put them in and probably put in HPU as the Pool C.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 23, 2008, 10:50:26 PM
If McMurry loses in the first or second round of the ASC tournament then I think they have a tough time getting in.  If they lose to HPU in the championship game I think they still get in.  Their only losses would be to former D1 Birmingham Southern who still has D1 players and 3 losses to the #2 team in the nation.  I don't see them being left out in that scenario.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2008, 11:43:37 PM
I think that McMurry is more solid than that.

McMurry has an in-region win over Greensboro which won the USA South (http://www.d3hoops.com/conference/USAC/womens/2008).  Altho' Greensboro is currently unranked in the South Region, it is possible that they (Greensboro) will be in the final (and unpublished) regional rankings if they win the USA South bid.

McMurry has an in-region win over St Thomas MN.  They finished in the tie with St Benedict for the regular season title of the MIAC (http://www.d3hoops.com/conference/MIAC/womens/2008).  If they win the conference tourney, they might end up as being regionally ranked, too.

The Handbook states that one of the criteria is "results" against  regionally ranked teams.  Right now, McMurry may have a few as 2 "results".  If HSU beats HPU and gets into the regional rankings, and McMurry plays HSU in the finals, then that might mean 3 games vs HSU, 2 games versus HPU, St Thomas and Greensboro to give as many as 7 "results".
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on February 24, 2008, 12:46:22 AM
I believe that Mac gets in the NCAA no matter what they do in the ASC Tourney.  they have played some quality games against some quality opponents.  Plus they have the Tara factor with all her accomplishments.  After all they are #9 in the nation last I checked.  Good luck to all the teams and go HPU.




Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 24, 2008, 10:51:08 AM
Remember the committee we're dealing with though.  HSU had a better resume last year than McMurry does this year as far as wins against quality opponents.  Trinity didn't make it the year after they won it all and they had a better year that next year.


I don't see McMurry losing in the 1st or 2nd round of the conference tournament but I don't think they can afford to lose in one of those games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2008, 02:14:56 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 24, 2008, 10:51:08 AM
Remember the committee we're dealing with though.  HSU had a better resume last year than McMurry does this year as far as wins against quality opponents.  Trinity didn't make it the year after they won it all and they had a better year that next year.

I don't see McMurry losing in the 1st or 2nd round of the conference tournament but I don't think they can afford to lose in one of those games.
Actually, McMurry may be better situated this year than HSU was last year.

Please scroll down for Feb 21, 2007 Regional Rankings (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/)

HSU had in-region ranked results of 1-3 going into the tourney.  Plus, they had a very ugly loss to Southwestern (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/SWRN/womens/2007) women.

Oglethorpe has just lost to DePauw women, to give them another in-region loss.

Trinity won the national championship in 2003.  The Pool C bids increased in 2006. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 24, 2008, 05:08:38 PM
I don't think a loss to a highly ranked team, in the polls and regional rankings, will make as big of a difference as a loss to an unranked team in the South Region.  A loss to UT-Dallas, UT-Tyler or UMHB would hurt McMurry much more especially this late in the season.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on February 24, 2008, 05:28:46 PM
OK guys give me your honest pick as to who will win the ASC Tournament and why.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2008, 05:40:56 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 24, 2008, 05:08:38 PM
I don't think a loss to a highly ranked team, in the polls and regional rankings, will make as big of a difference as a loss to an unranked team in the South Region.  A loss to UT-Dallas, UT-Tyler or UMHB would hurt McMurry much more especially this late in the season.
Please remember that timing of the loss is not a criterion for the tourney.  I don't want to consider not playing three games in Tyler, but on the other hand, McMurry has too many pluses among the criteria to fall to the "22nd" Pool C team!  "Geographic proximity" may force another bracket like last year, where HPU hosts game two and the winner of Chapman and the SCIAC Pool A.  We need Trinity to do well in the SCAC tourney, if we want to have a four-team pod in Texas.

McMurry may jump Oglethorpe this week because of OU's loss to DePauw this week.  (However, OU's OWP might go up even tho' they lost to DePauw and beat Centre.)

Hoopsville will have the Men's National Selection Chair on as a guest.  Maybe he can answer some of your questions.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 24, 2008, 09:04:02 PM
I love HPU's chances.  They've already shown they can beat everybody in the conference and have a lot of confidence going in.  It may sound biased but I believe they'll win it all.

McMurry can be dangerous but they need balanced and consistent scoring to go along with their great defense.

UT-Tyler is playing well right now, outside of their loss after clinching the East.  The host team is always dangerous.

Mississippi College has enough talent on their team to put a scare in anybody and could win the tournament. 

Hardin-Simmons is young and talented with nothing to lose.

It's going to be a fun tournament as always.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 25, 2008, 11:29:52 AM
Our problem at McM is our consistency.  Tarra is the lynchpin of the team, but when she's double and triple teamed someone else has to step up.  That's usually happened, but there are no guarantees.  We trailed UMHB until the very end Saturday, even though UMHB only played 6 players.  We beat UT Tyler earlier in the season by only 3 points.  We struggled against Concordia.  If everyone was playing at her full potential, I'm sure we could beat HPU.  But since that's happened only in bits and spurts, we could also lose to the last team in the conference.  We seem to like to get into a hole and then dig out at the end.  That may have worked during the regular year, but it's not going to work in the tournament.  So, my take: we could win it all, but we could also lose in the first round.  I will be on pins and needles until the final buzzer of the tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CRUfan08 on February 25, 2008, 12:43:01 PM
I'm really looking for UMHB to go big...I'm calling for another tournament run like in the 2005-2006 season...what does everyone think?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 25, 2008, 01:18:59 PM
CRUfan08,
I think 2005-2006 shows how unpredictable the NCAA selection committee can be.  You guys got to the final game where we beat you.  But HSU, which lost in the first round, got a post-season bid, as did HPU, which lost in the second.  That's why I think the only way McM (or anyone else except for HPU) can be sure of a post-season berth is to win that final game.

Incidentally, the word here is that the games will be webcast at

http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/aschoops/
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 25, 2008, 04:37:48 PM
My prediction is the West will sweep the East.  HPU will be playing Hardin Simmons, and McMurry will be playing MHB in the semis.  HPU will play McMurry for the championship, with HPU winning.  For the conference it would be best if McMurry won the tournament, but I think HPU is just too strong this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on February 25, 2008, 09:27:10 PM
The east is playing pretty good right now do not under estimate any team in this tourney.  Anyone  of these teams are capable of beating the other, after all this is for the conference championship and an automatic bid to the NCAA D3 Tournament!  Trust me each team will be out there giving their utmost 150% effort.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 26, 2008, 08:17:45 AM
Quote from: golfniz1 on February 24, 2008, 05:28:46 PM
OK guys give me your honest pick as to who will win the ASC Tournament and why.
I agree that the tournament brings out the best in teams.  What's your prediction on the semis and the final game?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 26, 2008, 09:43:50 AM
To me it's all about who is hot (from the outside) and who has the heart.  Everyone has skills and ability.  It's about luck and intangibles.  I'm picking McM LIB!!!! I think we will pick up our defense and playing on a neutral court, hopefully our outside shooters find the "sweet spot".
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BBenthusiast on February 26, 2008, 10:09:15 AM
Luck and intangibles? I don't think so.  All of these girls on all of these teams who are playing in the tournament have worked hard.  The title of "ASC Confernece Champion" is a great prize and it will go to the team that executes their game plan above their opponents.  HPU has done that 25 times already this season.  I'm going with them for the next 3 games!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 26, 2008, 10:36:13 AM
Quote from: golfniz1 on February 24, 2008, 05:28:46 PM
OK guys give me your honest pick as to who will win the ASC Tournament and why.

I assume the reference to "guys" is a gender inclusive invitation.  If so, I will present my honest pick. 

HPU will win the ASC.

At least one other team will be selected to continue in postseason play.  The most likely additional pick will be McMurray.

The unparalleled success of HPU can be directly attributed to Coach K's growing maturity.  The Little General has certainly done an amazing job in recent years!  That, or he discovered the high value of good nutrition through a balanced diet over the convenience of stale, vending machine Snickers bars!   ;)

Jacket Pride all the way, baby!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2008, 10:39:12 AM
Quote from: fanstand on February 26, 2008, 09:43:50 AM
I think we will pick up our defense and playing on a neutral court, hopefully our outside shooters find the "sweet spot".
But if we play UT Tyler in the second round, it won't be on a neutral court.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 26, 2008, 10:49:51 AM
Quote from: Rob Don on February 10, 2008, 06:57:40 PM
Wow there is so much anger on here!  Reminds me of the days arguing w/ "In the Paint" about Coack K's snicker bar meals. ;D ha ha  though id say we both took each others comments with a smirk (even though i was ALWAYS right  ;) ) ... i think everyone should sit back, relax, listen to some Beatles records, and remember...

ITS ALMOST TOURNEY TIME!!!   :)

You were ALWAYS right!  :o  However, I remember Hoopsmom being the instigator of the Snickers Bar controversy.  Who knows where HPU would be today if Coach K had not been forced to deal with that nutritional nightmare?  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 26, 2008, 11:06:41 AM
I said everyone had skills and ability.  Luck comes in keeping everybody healthy from the flu and injuries.  And a little "magic".  Everyone playing obviously deserves to be there.  I have always said anything can happen on any given day, I never pick against my team, but I never doubt that each team is dangerous in their own right.  I'm not a bragger, just a fan who believes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 26, 2008, 01:17:57 PM
Quote from: golfniz1 on February 25, 2008, 09:27:10 PM
Trust me each team will be out there giving their utmost 150% effort.   

This kind of statement annoys me. It is not possible to give 150% effort, because if you could, that level would then represent your full effort. I'm sure all the players will be giving their full, 100% effort to win it all, but to say that they will somehow play over full effort makes no sense.

That said, one almost has to pick HPU to win the tourney, but as fanstand has pointed out, they play the games for a reason.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 26, 2008, 02:06:12 PM
Question for the ETBU posters out there:

Given the coaching change and roster turnover--any of you want to express your feelings on ETBU's performance?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 26, 2008, 02:17:04 PM
I would like to hear some input too.  I remember watching them in the tournament in Brownwood last year.  They had a bunch of good young players and a really good coach.  I just knew they would contend for the title this year.  I knew they lost the coach, but I didn't know what the situation was with the players.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2008, 06:41:43 PM
Congratulations to Tarra Richardson, Josten's Finalist!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on February 26, 2008, 07:17:54 PM
cufan have you ever heard the term figure of speech?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2008, 02:21:34 PM
New South Region rankings. 

South Region
1.    Howard Payne    23-0    25-0
2.    Oglethorpe    19-4    21-4
3.    McMurry    22-2    22-3
4.    Trinity (Tex.)    18-4    19-5
5.    Piedmont    18-3    22-3
6.    Hardin-Simmons    20-5    20-5
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 27, 2008, 03:45:04 PM
I'm not sure how Oglethorpe ranks higher than McMurry in the region, but McMurry out ranks Oglethorpe in the national rankings.  Same issue with Hope women (#1 in the nation) ranked #3 in their region.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2008, 06:22:24 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on February 27, 2008, 03:45:04 PM
I'm not sure how Oglethorpe ranks higher than McMurry in the region, but McMurry outranks Oglethorpe in the national rankings.  Same issue with Hope women (#1 in the nation) ranked #3 in their region.   
National top 25 rankings have no bearings on the Regional Rankings.

Among the Criteria for McMurry...

In-Region W-L  22-2
OWP/OOWP     .5254 / .5120
In-Region H-H -- none
In-Region Common Opponents -- (None. B-SC is first-year provisional)
In-Region Reg. Ranked -- 3-2 (St Thomas 1-0, HPU 0-2, HSU 2-0)

Oglethorpe

In-Region W-L 19-4
OWP/OOWP  -- .5700/.5414
In-Region H-H -- none
In-Region Reg. Ranked -- 2-3 (Piedmont 1-0, Wilmington 0-1, DPU 0-2, Trinity 1-0)

For McMurry, it has to be the OWP/OOWP that puts them behind Oglethorpe. (Games versus Birmingham-Southern, a first-year provisional team, are not counted in primary criteria.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2008, 09:19:18 PM
Playing against teams like LeTourneau, Ozarks and Texas Lutheran really bring down the OWP in this conference.  If McMurry didn't have those games on their schedule, especially the two against TLU then they would most likely be in that 2nd spot.  But that's what we're dealt with right now and you just hope things pan out in the end if you don't get the AQ.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 27, 2008, 09:42:02 PM
Everyone else in the conference has to play the below mentionded teams.  Like you said, it is "our" conference and "we" have to deal with it.  Can't pick and choose the conference :-X  The ASC has done well in the past
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2008, 09:55:29 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 27, 2008, 09:19:18 PM
Playing against teams like LeTourneau, Ozarks and Texas Lutheran really bring down the OWP in this conference.  If McMurry didn't have those games on their schedule, especially the two against TLU then they would most likely be in that 2nd spot.  But that's what we're dealt with right now and you just hope things pan out in the end if you don't get the AQ.
TLU is part of the West.  I am glad to play the West. 

The discussion is whether both teams benefited from the McMurry or HPU or HSU defeat of UOzarks or LeTourneau as the 20th and 21st ASC game.

Would that game be more advantageously used as another in-region game to boost the conference's OWP and OOWP?

I ask this question sincerely, trying to strengthen the conference.

Let's focus on Ozarks Men's soccer.  Did Ozarks really help their at-large bid chances by the OWP and OOWP that resulted from playing McMurry, Schreiner and Concordia-TX last fall?  2007 Men's soccer standings (http://www.ascsports.org/sport.asp?path=msoc&tab=mens).  Could Ozarks have found a better Central Region opponent than those three to boost the OWP?

If this question is decided by the conference, then good!  We have focused on what we need to do as a conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 28, 2008, 07:35:29 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2008, 06:22:24 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on February 27, 2008, 03:45:04 PM
I'm not sure how Oglethorpe ranks higher than McMurry in the region, but McMurry outranks Oglethorpe in the national rankings.  Same issue with Hope women (#1 in the nation) ranked #3 in their region.   
National top 25 rankings have no bearings on the Regional Rankings.

Among the Criteria for McMurry...

In-Region W-L  22-2
OWP/OOWP     .5254 / .5120
In-Region H-H -- none
In-Region Common Opponents -- (None. B-SC is first-year provisional)
In-Region Reg. Ranked -- 3-2 (St Thomas 1-0, HPU 0-2, HSU 2-0)

Oglethorpe

In-Region W-L 19-4
OWP/OOWP  -- .5700/.5414
In-Region H-H -- none
In-Region Reg. Ranked -- 2-3 (Piedmont 1-0, Wilmington 0-1, DPU 0-2, Trinity 1-0)

For McMurry, it has to be the OWP/OOWP that puts them behind Oglethorpe. (Games versus Birmingham-Southern, a first-year provisional team, are not counted in primary criteria.)


Ralph,
    I had posted earlier in the week that I didn't think the OWP/OOWP was a big deal right now for the ASC but obviously I was wrong. I was looking over this year's regional rankings compared to last year and the new RPI is having a big impact, this is just one example.

Last year, in most cases teams were ranked according to regional winning percentage with just a few exceptions. This year there are several cases like this in which teams with two more losses, and sometimes even three more regional losses, are being ranked ahead of teams with better records. It has to be the OWP/OOWP numbers which will improve very little in this part of the country regardless of how we schedule.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2008, 09:54:01 AM
If the committee looked at Secondary Criteria, we see the games with Birmingham-Southern.

McMurry lost 57-63 on a neutral floor.

Oglethorpe beat BSC at home 75-72 and beat them on the road 80-72 after BSC lost their star Reba Ross in the first minute of the Austin College game (game 18).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 28, 2008, 02:12:29 PM
Sounds like all this is setting us up for a repeat of the post-season two years ago: whichever team wins the tournament this weekend gets to host a sectional playing the other two leading ASC teams all over again plus either Trinity or Oglethorpe!   >:(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on February 28, 2008, 09:55:01 PM
How in the world did HPU loose 1 first place vote?  Makes a person wonder what some of the voters are thinking about.   I am  beginning to believe that its a Texas thing. The so called basketball states think we do not belong, but sorry to tell you folks there is some pretty darn good players in the Lone Star State.  Hopefully everything pans out and HPU gets the opportunity  to play Hope or #3 so Texas will finally get the respect that it deserves.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 29, 2008, 08:20:33 AM
It will take HPU or McMurry winning it all for this area to get respect.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on February 29, 2008, 09:42:54 AM
Based on the home page of d3 and on UTTYLER's website it appears that all tourney games will have a video feed via the internet.  That is awesome.

GO McM!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 29, 2008, 11:15:38 AM
I'm watching the HPU game today.  If they win, then I'll be in Tyler for the Saturday game, then hopefully for the Sunday game.  I think HPU will have a good turn out  of fans in Tyler, even though it's 250 miles.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 29, 2008, 03:42:25 PM
HPU 76 LC 61 Final.

Sloppy game but HPU had some big runs to take care of business.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1wildcatfan on February 29, 2008, 03:45:59 PM
Great job to the Lady Wildcats for a season well played. No one thought they would make it to the tourney after last year's season. Great game CATS!! Good luck to Coach Richard in the offseason. LC has only 1 senior this year. So look for LC to be on the top next year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 29, 2008, 03:50:09 PM
Quote from: #1wildcatfan on February 29, 2008, 03:45:59 PM
Great job to the Lady Wildcats for a season well played. No one thought they would make it to the tourney after last year's season. Great game CATS!! Good luck to Coach Richard in the offseason. LC has only 1 senior this year. So look for LC to be on the top next year.

your team has everything to be proud of.  With how young they are we can expect to see them at the top of the conference the next few years.  Especially with the coach that's in charge now.  She's a great leader and will do a great job with those young ladies.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 29, 2008, 03:54:33 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on February 29, 2008, 08:20:33 AM
It will take HPU or McMurry winning it all for this area to get respect.

Howard Payne got nine first-place votes. What more respect do you want if you haven't ever won a final four game, let alone a national title?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 29, 2008, 04:01:37 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 29, 2008, 03:54:33 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on February 29, 2008, 08:20:33 AM
It will take HPU or McMurry winning it all for this area to get respect.

Howard Payne got nine first-place votes. What more respect do you want if you haven't ever won a final four game, let alone a national title?
I was responding to the statement made by golfniz1
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 29, 2008, 04:03:58 PM
That's fine and all but I am asking why nine first-place votes is not considered respect?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 29, 2008, 04:37:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 29, 2008, 04:03:58 PM
That's fine and all but I am asking why nine first-place votes is not considered respect?
I guess I need to insert a word into my previous statement.
It will take HPU and McMurry winning it all for this area to get more respect. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 29, 2008, 04:41:35 PM
Thanks. That's all I ask -- that someone realize that a No. 2 ranking is an IMMENSE amount of respect.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 29, 2008, 04:43:04 PM
I gave the HSU/MC game as long as I could but the continued mispronunciation of Rachel Cisneroz's name is driving me nuts. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 29, 2008, 05:14:44 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 29, 2008, 04:43:04 PM
I gave the HSU/MC game as long as I could but the continued mispronunciation of Rachel Cisneroz's name is driving me nuts. :)

Let me guess; it was the "Cisneroz" and not the "Rachel" that was giving the announcers trouble!   ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 29, 2008, 06:02:26 PM
:) Oddly enough.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 29, 2008, 09:54:39 PM
I was listening to part of the HSU-MC game and one of the HSU players came down hard on her knee and had to leave the game.  Will she be able to play tomorrow against HPU?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2008, 08:34:40 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 29, 2008, 09:54:39 PM
I was listening to part of the HSU-MC game and one of the HSU players came down hard on her knee and had to leave the game.  Will she be able to play tomorrow against HPU?
HSU's leading scorer Ashley Allen (http://www.reporternews.com/news/2008/feb/29/great-start-for-local-schools/) sustained the injury 4 minutes into the game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 01, 2008, 11:44:03 AM
Thanks, Ralph.  This would seem to increase HPU's chances of sweeping the tournament, making for an easier game against HSU today so they'll be rested tomorrow.  Then, they play either McM or UMHB.  The last time these two teams met, it was a catfight, so whichever team wins will probably be emotionally and physically drained when they take on the Yellow Jackets.

I seem to remember some talk at the start of the season about the East and West divisions reaching parity this year.  The opposite seems to have happened.  When was the last time every East team -- men and women -- got eliminated in the first round of the tournament?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 01, 2008, 01:16:20 PM
The men have always had somebody win the first round since MC has played in every championship game except for this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2008, 05:52:22 PM
HPU 83, HSU 67  (Only 3 HPU turnovers.)

HSU's Lindsey Newcombe looked great.

We have two outstanding posts in the conference next season.  Lindsey Newcombe and UMHB's Landie Thompson.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 02, 2008, 05:36:16 PM
Congratulations to HPU on winning the championship!  From the scores, I'd say they simply had better staying power than the teams they played, increasing the score at each level (when you'd expect the opposite, as you play better and better teams):

HPU- LC    76-61  +15
HPU-HSU   83-67  +16
HPU-McM  77-55  +22

McM was clearly tired from their game with UMHB, for we lost by a larger point spread than in either of our regular season games with HPU.  Now, we wait and see whether HPU gets to host a sectional, unlike last year, and whether McM gets an invitation to the post season at all.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2008, 06:02:24 PM
As I understand the playoffs for the women, McM women are pretty much a lock.

They only have losses to HPU.

They have wins over Greensboro, the Pool A bid from the USA South, and St Thomas MN, the regular season co-champ of the Minnesota IAC.  They have two wins over HSU which was regionally ranked last week.

They were #3 in the South Region and the team above them lost as well.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 02, 2008, 09:02:51 PM
Yeah, but with the NCAA anything can happen.  We would look better if we had had a closer score with HPU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2008, 09:15:20 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 02, 2008, 09:02:51 PM
Yeah, but with the NCAA anything can happen.  We would look better if we had had a closer score with HPU.
Respectfully, margin of victory is not a criterion.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2008, 09:48:27 PM
McMurry and Trinity TX get Pool C bids.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: PeytonLow on March 02, 2008, 09:52:38 PM
Congrats to HPU.   They are well coached and have some tremendous athletes.  Daniels is obviously very talnted.  I really enjoyed watching Blalock and Hohertz as well.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2008, 10:24:15 PM
I just heard on Hoopsville this comment from Pat Coleman.  Check out the podcast in the final segment.

He thinks that HPU's best chance for hosting a sectional is if the NCAA can place three travel-orphan first round brackets into the Sectional Bracket.

That would look like this:

Chapman-LaVerne-George Fox-Puget Sound

HPU-McMurry-Trinity TX- bye

Piedmont-Oglethorpe-Greensboro-Bridgewater VA

Another bracket from this part of the country (West and Central Region probably to get HPU away from DePauw and Thomas More and Hope.  I'll bet that Oglethorpe would like to avoid DePauw and Thomas More until the Final Four, too.)

I do not know the brackets, but this is my best guess.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2008, 09:36:45 AM
QuoteThat would look like this:

LaVerne vs.George Fox and Chapman at Puget Sound

HPU-McMurry-Trinity TX- bye

These brackets held, but it appears that "geographic proximity" kills HPU's chances at hosting the Sectional, unless Hope loses in the first weekend when they are shipped to Baldwin-Wallace.  (Hope men got the gym in the first weekend, according to the Handbook.)

McMurry does host Trinity on Wednesday night.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 03, 2008, 09:57:03 AM
Hope's women's coach is talking about putting around 2,000 in the seats for their game.  Just wait until HPU plays Trinity or McMurry this Saturday, you'll see twice as many people in our seats.

It's going to be exciting and fun.  HPU will have to play harder than they did yesterday to beat these teams.  Especially if they want to beat McMurry for the 4th time.

Sting 'Em Jackets!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2008, 10:12:43 AM
dballa, Pat Coleman is optimistic that HPU might host a second round sectional if Hope loses.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 03, 2008, 10:31:33 AM
If both Hope and HPU win, would Hope most likely host?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 03, 2008, 10:33:05 AM
Is anybody else suprised that Hope and HPU were put in the same sectional bracket? Oh and for clarification I know the NCAA doesn't have seeds but I would think they would keep undefeated teams away from each other.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 03, 2008, 11:01:27 AM
I'm surprised.  I thought they would leave the potential for having undefeated teams meet in the final 4.  I guess it's all about the expense of travel.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 03, 2008, 12:16:20 PM
Just FYI - there will be livestats Wednesday night at Kimbrell.

http://livestats.internetconsult.com/mcmurry/wbball
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 03, 2008, 01:57:00 PM
Just a little side note Meia Daniels is now 3 points away from 2,000. 

Barring any early injuries she should be able to reach that very early in their playoff game this Saturday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2008, 03:21:12 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 03, 2008, 10:31:33 AM
If both Hope and HPU win, would Hope most likely host?
I am thinking that they would, and HPU would catch Hope in the Elite 8 game, all things working out.

Hope goes on the road to Baldwin Wallace and that could be a tough game.  The OAC plays great women's basketball.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 03, 2008, 04:04:16 PM
Pat Coleman what torks me is that earlier in the season HPU was ranked #1 then they win there next 2 games by big margins and all the sudden they are #2 behind Hope.  HPU goes thru the season undefeated and has the #1 RPI rating that is what I dont understand.  Pat please  shed some light on this for me.  I know I am a rookie on this chat line and maybe missing out on something.  I know a #2 ranking is great no doubt for I am very proud of the HPU ladies and what they have done this season.  Just please explain to me how they fell at the beginning of the season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 03, 2008, 04:34:23 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2008, 03:21:12 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 03, 2008, 10:31:33 AM
If both Hope and HPU win, would Hope most likely host?
I am thinking that they would, and HPU would catch Hope in the Elite 8 game, all things working out.

Hope goes on the road to Baldwin Wallace and that could be a tough game.  The OAC plays great women's basketball.

I guess all I can do is pull for HPU and Baldwin Wallace to win their games.  If that happens, then I would hope HPU would get to host the next week.  I hope McMurry wins their game against Trinity.  What a crowd we'll have in Brownwood.  Over 4,200+ fans.  I have no doubt. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 03, 2008, 04:39:09 PM
HPU was #1 in the WBCA poll completely different from the D3Hoops poll.  HPU was #2 in the D3Hoops Poll to start the season and moved down to #3 at that same time they moved from the #1 spot in the WBCA poll. 

Part of it has to do with the new OWP/OOWP they put into place.  Since we played two terrible teams during that stretch, TLU and Schreiner, it dropped those numbers and made the strength of schedule look awful.  Then as we got into our toughest part of the schedule against CUA, UMHB, HSU and McM then the true strength of schedule started showing and we have been able to stay at #2. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopnut on March 03, 2008, 05:02:51 PM
I find it interesting that folks are already worrying about a Hope / HPU match up in the Elite 8. I might remind everyone that UPS gave HPU a rude awakening last year, and they have a stronger team this year than last. HPU probably will make it to sectionals, but don't be suprised to find a re-match with UPS. There's an awful lot of basketball still to be played!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 03, 2008, 05:15:46 PM
Quote from: hoopnut on March 03, 2008, 05:02:51 PM
I find it interesting that folks are already worrying about a Hope / HPU match up in the Elite 8. I might remind everyone that UPS gave HPU a rude awakening last year, and they have a stronger team this year than last. HPU probably will make it to sectionals, but don't be suprised to find a re-match with UPS. There's an awful lot of basketball still to be played!
That's why they play the game.  A rematch with UPS would be great!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 03, 2008, 05:29:27 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on March 03, 2008, 10:33:05 AM
Is anybody else suprised that Hope and HPU were put in the same sectional bracket? Oh and for clarification I know the NCAA doesn't have seeds but I would think they would keep undefeated teams away from each other.

hey there Seth.  I thought the same thing as soon as i saw the bracket...o well...gotta go through HOPE at some point!

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 03, 2008, 05:34:30 PM
http://www.ascsports.org/News/wbball/2008/3/3/ASC_WBB_ALLCONF08.asp?path=wbball

Congrats to all the ladies that made the all conference teams.

Special congrats to Meia Daniels and Kasey Buggs for being Division Players of the Year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 03, 2008, 05:54:39 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 03, 2008, 04:34:23 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2008, 03:21:12 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 03, 2008, 10:31:33 AM
If both Hope and HPU win, would Hope most likely host?
I am thinking that they would, and HPU would catch Hope in the Elite 8 game, all things working out.

Hope goes on the road to Baldwin Wallace and that could be a tough game.  The OAC plays great women's basketball.

I guess all I can do is pull for HPU and Baldwin Wallace to win their games.  If that happens, then I would hope HPU would get to host the next week.  I hope McMurry wins their game against Trinity.  What a crowd we'll have in Brownwood.  Over 4,200+ fans.  I have no doubt. 

If only Brownwood Coliseum seated 4,200
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 03, 2008, 05:58:39 PM
Quote from: mcm_sid on March 03, 2008, 05:54:39 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 03, 2008, 04:34:23 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2008, 03:21:12 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 03, 2008, 10:31:33 AM
If both Hope and HPU win, would Hope most likely host?
I am thinking that they would, and HPU would catch Hope in the Elite 8 game, all things working out.

Hope goes on the road to Baldwin Wallace and that could be a tough game.  The OAC plays great women's basketball.

I guess all I can do is pull for HPU and Baldwin Wallace to win their games.  If that happens, then I would hope HPU would get to host the next week.  I hope McMurry wins their game against Trinity.  What a crowd we'll have in Brownwood.  Over 4,200+ fans.  I have no doubt. 

If only Brownwood Coliseum seated 4,200
What's your implication?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2008, 06:37:15 PM
Actually the Brownwood Mausoleum saw 4,356 fans (http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=13323&scoreboard) at the Chapman game last season.

The NCAA had no official reports of inadequate supplies of TP from the Chapman fan in attendance.   :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 03, 2008, 06:57:28 PM
When I was a boy, and SFA and Sam Houston came to town, the Fire Marshall had to actually turn people away.  I remember people setting in the aisles.  There's no telling how many were actually there.  I had always heard that it was over 4,500 and nearly 5,000. It was standing room only, including on the floor.  Great memory.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 03, 2008, 07:06:59 PM
That seating capacity also only accounts for the top level.  It doesn't account for the student section bleachers as well as the other fans in wheel chairs and older fans that can't make it up the stairs.

The only bad thing is there really isn't much parking all around so you need for people to ride together or take public transportation. 

My hope is that the school, the city, or volunteers will arrange for shuttle buses from different places so that more people can attend the game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 03, 2008, 09:18:15 PM
A big shout out to CRUfan !  I want to tell you those girls from MHBU earned some serious respect from this fan. Do you remember when you nocked my 150% take well I do not know if you were there, but those girls played their hearts out and it seemed like they did play at that level.  Big props goes out to the CRU from this HPU fan.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2008, 09:27:29 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 03, 2008, 07:06:59 PM
That seating capacity also only accounts for the top level.  It doesn't account for the student section bleachers as well as the other fans in wheel chairs and older fans that can't make it up the stairs.

The only bad thing is there really isn't much parking all around so you need for people to ride together or take public transportation. 

My hope is that the school, the city, or volunteers will arrange for shuttle buses from different places so that more people can attend the game.
The official total of 4,356 by the NCAA is "actual certified paid" attendance.  :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2008, 02:29:01 AM
On the men's boards I have posted the impact of the 20/21 game schedule on the OWP (opponents' winning percentage). 
The last that I saw, HPU's was around .536 and McMurry's was .527 going into the tourney.

I calculated the impact of not playing the bottom three ASC-East teams, at all on the OWP of HPU and McMurry.

Arbitrarily, only HPU or only McMurry not playing ETBU, LeTU and UOz would raise the OWP to .640 and .629 respectively.

These are preliminary, and I hope that someone will review the Handbook and double-check my calculations!!!  Please help me here.

Cutting back to an 18 game mandatory schedule in the conference as we have discusses on the men's board would require more research, but I believe that we need to discuss the implications of this, and possibly consider a plan for the 2009-10 season.  I want to see what the impact of switching low W-L percentages for .500 percentages (out-of-conference opponents) does, too.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2008, 10:10:17 AM
Academic and athletics in the ASC (http://www.reporternews.com/news/2008/mar/03/star-athletes-and-superstar-students/)

Good article about Tarra, and it mentions Meia Daniels and the HSU women.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lewis on March 04, 2008, 02:25:25 PM
The HPU/Chapman I think was quess and was later changed to an official attendance of 4,011.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lewis on March 04, 2008, 02:27:28 PM
sorry guess
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 04, 2008, 03:38:22 PM
HOOPNUT I would love to see HPU and the Sound play again.  HPU had the worst shooting game of the year and alot of that was nerves.  This years team is more seasoned and 1 year wiser.  With that being said you may not want to see HPU about that time of the tourney.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopnut on March 04, 2008, 03:49:26 PM
I would love to see a rematch as well, since that would mean UPS would have gotten by LaVern, GFU/Chapman, and probably Hope. I don't doubt that HPU is a great team. I also know there are other gret teams out there. UPS has lost no games by more than 9 points. Two of those losses were to DII teams, one of which is undefeated and currently ranked #2. One loss to a ranked team (GFU) they have since beat twice by double digits, and a last second loss to Whitman. Look past teams outside the ASC at your own risk.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WWWRHH on March 04, 2008, 04:34:54 PM
hoopnut, as a Hope fan I really hope (we over use that pun at times) that there is not an UPS / HPU rematch, since as you pointed out that would mean the Dutch had stumbled.

But you make a really good point.  At this stage of the season we can not look past the next game.  In D3 it is hard to make comparisons with teams outside of your region.  This is especially true for geographically isolated teams like HPU, UPS and Hope.  (I know it is hard to appreciate that an eastern mid-west state like Michigan is isolated, but being on a pennisula with Canada to the east and north, Lake Michigan to the west and Indiana to the south filled with NAIA teams puts Hope in a difficult position finding quality regional opponents within driving distance.)

However, if any of "our" teams meet at least we will have made it to the sweet sixteen or even the elite eight and that is a good start.  Good luck......for now.

I don't expect anyone to give away state secrets, but how does this year's HPU team compare to Hardin Simmons final four team of 2006?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 04, 2008, 05:33:38 PM
Tickets for Saturday night are selling fast.  My wife went to the Admin office at HPU and bought one last ticket.  The cashiers office said they had already run out of tickets once and had to get more brought to them.

It would be nice to have a sellout and break our own attendance record. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 04, 2008, 11:31:26 PM
I am not looking past anybody ,after all this is the tourney now and any of the teams are capable of beating the other.  I was making my statement based on what happened to HPU last year with the Sound.  This is going to be a great tournament in 2008!  You are right dballa the tickets are going like crazy for Saturdays game the way it is going right now we will have a sell out.  I can not wait!  go HPU
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 05, 2008, 01:29:33 PM
I've been assured that tickets have been reserved for whoever plays HPU on Saturday, McM or Trinity.  Otherwise, I'd be worried right now from what you're saying that people in Brownwood would buy up all the seats before any visitors from outside town ever got a chance to get any!

Of course, while tickets have been reserved, there was no word about toilet paper...  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 05, 2008, 01:44:21 PM
HPU has no control on the number of seats, the NCAA has guidelines as far as ticket designation. I have a feeling that the visitors will be outnumbered by just a few :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 05, 2008, 04:04:37 PM
I believe each team is alloted equal amounts of tickets, but unsold tickets by the visitors are released at a designated time on Saturday for the general public.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2008, 04:09:09 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 05, 2008, 01:29:33 PM
I've been assured that tickets have been reserved for whoever plays HPU on Saturday, McM or Trinity.  Otherwise, I'd be worried right now from what you're saying that people in Brownwood would buy up all the seats before any visitors from outside town ever got a chance to get any!

Of course, while tickets have been reserved, there was no word about toilet paper...  :)

Quote from: sethhpu on March 05, 2008, 01:44:21 PM
HPU has no control on the number of seats, the NCAA has guidelines as far as ticket designation. I have a feeling that the visitors will be outnumbered by just a few :)
Feeling?  The number of tickets to the home team is specified by the NCAA Handbook and as cited by JACKET84!

The real question is the toilet paper.   :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 05, 2008, 04:19:34 PM
I was told that the visitors requested 300 tickets (both Schools the same amount) and that was all very surprised about that. Please guys give the TP a rest I am sure there will be plenty for either McMurry or Trinity on hand for whatever you need it for.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 05, 2008, 04:32:40 PM
And if there happens to not be enough TP:

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.toilette-humor.com%2Fimages%2Fsave_paper.jpg&hash=1e606119a2edaed383526598ac602b4f7dea7184)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2008, 04:38:15 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 05, 2008, 04:32:40 PM
And if there happens to not be enough TP:

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.toilette-humor.com%2Fimages%2Fsave_paper.jpg&hash=1e606119a2edaed383526598ac602b4f7dea7184)
Technological innovations arrive in Brown County!

+1!

I am relieved.  Just be sure to pay the electric bill.   :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 05, 2008, 04:40:52 PM
The city owns the building that's their problem :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Scratch on March 05, 2008, 06:20:21 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 05, 2008, 01:29:33 PM
I've been assured that tickets have been reserved for whoever plays HPU on Saturday, McM or Trinity.  Otherwise, I'd be worried right now from what you're saying that people in Brownwood would buy up all the seats before any visitors from outside town ever got a chance to get any!
With a seating capacity in excess of 4500 in the Brownwood coliseum, isn't this an outstanding problem for D-III ball?  Sort of like mentioning that your stretch hummer makes "too much noise" when you pull up to your condo in Malibu.  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2008, 10:38:24 PM
Thru tonight, Tarra Richardson has over 2140 points, 1005 rebounds, 300 blocks and 205 steals in her career.

Only one other player in D3 history has done 2000 points/ 1000 rebounds / 300 blocks...Ronda Jo Miller of Gallaudet in 1996-2000 seasons.




Maigen Sawyer (http://www.d3hoops.com/game-releases/2008/Mar/05/McMurry-vs.-Trinity+%28Texas%29/o21dxto4ty6zf08u/25559) goes over 1000 points at McMurry (plus another 23 at HSU as a freshman).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2008, 11:24:17 PM
According to the NCAA Handbook, McMurry will be allocated 1/3 of the available tickets.

If we assume that the Brownwood Mausoleum holds 4500 people, then McMurry is allocated 1500 tickets, not 300!

Handbook--Page 35 (http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2008/2008_d3_w_basketball_handbook.pdf)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 06, 2008, 09:34:06 AM
I would be highly surprised if McMurry brought 1,500 fans considering they only put in a guesstimated 1,550 at their home game last night. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 06, 2008, 09:49:58 AM
Quote from: dballa on March 05, 2008, 04:32:40 PM
And if there happens to not be enough TP:

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.toilette-humor.com%2Fimages%2Fsave_paper.jpg&hash=1e606119a2edaed383526598ac602b4f7dea7184)

Hillarious!  Well done, Dballa!  Earns Karma for sure!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 06, 2008, 10:14:59 AM
Quote from: dballa on March 06, 2008, 09:34:06 AM
I would be highly surprised if McMurry brought 1,500 fans considering they only put in a guesstimated 1,550 at their home game last night. 

I resent that remark, that was an exact count!  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 06, 2008, 10:22:14 AM
I'm sure it was pretty close to being right on or maybe even lower than the actual count.  If they would let school's count workers and little kids we could all have higher attendance numbers.  I'm sure a lot of people working the games would be at them anyways even if they had to pay.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 06, 2008, 10:39:12 AM
dballa gets a karma point from me, too!

Actually, the key issue with the seating Saturday isn't just the number of tickets, but whether visitors get to sit in the bleachers next to the court.  My understanding is that while HPU can reserve them for their own students during the regular season, they have to allow access to everyone for the NCAA post-season games.  Is that correct?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on March 06, 2008, 11:16:31 AM
They way I understand the rules is that McM should be allotted 1500 and whatever they don't sell they will turn back to HPU on Saturday.

Looking forward to it should be a fun atmosphere.

Whatever happens McM will be proud of their season, we have no pressure on us, so let;s just go play
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 06, 2008, 11:57:18 AM
Kinda on the subject, kinda off - McMurry folks can buy tickets after 1 p.m. Thursday (Judy's Office) for the HPU game we have 200 student tickets and 200 adult tickets right now. That doesn't mean there won't be some at the gate - and if we were to sell out at McM, we'll notify HPU's A.D. and they'll hold some for us - NO WORRIES!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 06, 2008, 12:12:52 PM
I do hope more McMurry fans make the trip this weekend than they did for the regular season game.  It was pretty sad not seeing a section filled with McMurry students.  It's a lot more fun hearing chants from both sides.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 06, 2008, 12:43:33 PM
Quote from: mcm_sid on March 06, 2008, 11:57:18 AM
Kinda on the subject, kinda off - McMurry folks can buy tickets after 1 p.m. Thursday (Judy's Office) for the HPU game we have 200 student tickets and 200 adult tickets right now. That doesn't mean there won't be some at the gate - and if we were to sell out at McM, we'll notify HPU's A.D. and they'll hold some for us - NO WORRIES!
From what I've read, there will be no tickets sold at the Coliseum.  They will be sold on Saturday at the Colisum annex across the street, so don't go directly to the game and expect to buy a ticket.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 06, 2008, 01:53:06 PM
I have been out of pocket, and really have tried to stay out of trouble by keeping my mouth shut.  Last Sunday they played better.  My only response is .......................... LIB - I believe...........................
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 06, 2008, 04:28:52 PM
fanstand,

We played better last Sunday?  I thought we needed the win against Trinity precisely because we played poorly last Sunday, losing by a greater point spread to HPU on a neutral court than we did during the regular season at the Mausoleum.  Last night made up for that.

Incidentally, who decided to have the game Saturday at 7:00?  That might make sense on a weekday when students are in class, but this is a weekend.  And it would have been a real hardship for the Trinity folks if they were playing instead of us -- they would either have had a long night drive back to San Antonio or would have had to stay over in a local Brownwood motel.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 06, 2008, 04:51:53 PM
They is (HPU)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 06, 2008, 04:52:55 PM
I believe the host team gets to decide the game time. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 06, 2008, 05:42:16 PM
Quote from: fanstand on March 06, 2008, 04:51:53 PM
They is (HPU)
Oh.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 06, 2008, 05:43:49 PM
How many other things are you McM fans going to gripe about other than the actually game? I was hoping to hear some opinions on matchups and what McM or HPU would need to do to win the game?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 06, 2008, 05:51:11 PM
mcmfan please stop complaining at least McMurry is still playing.  There are a bunch of teams who would love to be playing Saturday or night so please spare us the agony.  I do not believe the time of the game will have any bearing on  who wins or loses the game. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2008, 06:07:50 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 06, 2008, 04:52:55 PM
I believe the host team gets to decide the game time. 

According to the Handbook on page 32 (http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2008/2008_d3_w_basketball_handbook.pdf), the recommended time for this game is 7pm local time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on March 06, 2008, 06:18:03 PM
SETH HPU

We are not griping, at least this McM fan isn't.  It will be an uphill battle for us.  We have to be effective on offense and for the most part we have struggled with that against you guys this season.  Maigen needs to have game like she had last night. 

it will be tough for us...but we have nothing to lose
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 06, 2008, 06:24:59 PM
It is going to be a great ball game.  I feel that HPU is going to have to come out and play some tight aggressive defense and have a 50% plus shooting night to have a good chance of winning the game.  Mc is a good basketball team, but like HPU have their weaknesses and if HPU can exploit them who knows.  It will be a good one to watch.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2008, 06:27:53 PM
Quote from: McM Blue Devil on March 06, 2008, 06:18:03 PM
SETH HPU

We are not griping, at least this McM fan isn't.  It will be an uphill battle for us.  We have to be effective on offense and for the most part we have struggled with that against you guys this season.  Maigen needs to have game like she had last night. 

it will be tough for us...but we have nothing to lose
Ditto!

I was so happy for Tarra and her accomplishments.  She is in very select company of players who have 2000 points, 1000 rebounds, 300 blocks and 200 steals.  (I need to confirm how many steals Ronda Jo Miller from Gallaudet had in her career.) Maigen Sawyer's 1000 points at McMurry were a great way to finish her home career.

I want to win on Saturday.  What is more, I want the ASC rep to win the whole thing.

That boosts the entire conference.  I posted earlier that I thought that UMHB would win 20 of the 39 conferences, that HSU would win 25.  Furthermore, I think that UT-Tyler would win about 20 conferences and CUA, MissColl and UT-Dallas might win 15 conferences.

Travel safely everyone! I think that the ice should be melted in the DFW area by Saturday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on March 06, 2008, 07:15:40 PM
I don't think it will be a close game.  HPU by 15-20
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm505 on March 06, 2008, 07:28:00 PM
I have been watching this site for about a year or so getting my updates on my McMurry Indians, and today finally decided to sign up/post.  The situation reminds me a lot of the Big 12 Baseball tournament a few years ago where Baylor absolutely destroyed Texas in the regular season and Big 12 tournament before having to face Texas again in Omaha (where Texas took two from Baylor).  I am hoping McMurry has figured something out and can make it a better game and upset the very much deserving number 2 team in the nation at home. 

Best of luck to HPU, but I hope McM returns the favor.  On an aside though, how have the crowds been at McM, and have the guys that always paint their faces (some social club) still been active?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 06, 2008, 09:49:59 PM
mcm505 it is going to be a good game and a close one in my estimation , but I hope that you are wrong on the upset.  Glad to see you posting and welcome.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 06, 2008, 11:05:11 PM
Quote from: golfniz1 on March 06, 2008, 05:51:11 PM
mcmfan please stop complaining at least McMurry is still playing.  There are a bunch of teams who would love to be playing Saturday or night so please spare us the agony.  I do not believe the time of the game will have any bearing on  who wins or loses the game. 
You should reread my message.  The first part, if it was, indeed, complaining, was directed against my own team, not about the Saturday game.  And as for the game time, I said nothing about the outcome of the game; my concern was the convenience and safety of the visiting fans, particularly if they were to be coming from San Antonio.  That would have been a long drive home in the dark.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 07, 2008, 10:42:04 AM
HPU reminds me of HSU about 5 years ago; the clear favorite in every game.  McM has a chance, for sure, but it remains a slim one.  As we all know, however, that's why they play the games!  Anyone on any given day can pull off an upset!

Coach K has done a remarkable job with the HPU program.  He has taken a team that was, at best, a reasonable contender for a conference title and developed a team that has as good of a shot to go all the way as any team ever has. 

Again, McM can pull off the upset, no doubt, but they are the clear underdog in this fight.  HPU, if they don't bring their best to the Mausoleum, will go away wondering what might have been.  I don't expect that though.  They are a focused bunch.  This postseason will be fun to follow. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 07, 2008, 11:55:22 AM
I agree 'paint'

Coach K has done an amazing job with the HPU Ladies BBall program.  I remember being a freshman at HPU in 2001 and going to see the Wbball team play at the Coliseum... I remember watching Nicole Salzman and Kristi Lyons play and thinking...wow these girls are pretty good!!!  I have always been amazed at how a player can commite to playing in college for zero scholarship.  how they can put all that time and energy and effort into a program, because they loved the game so much.  It is honestly for the love of the game.  And Coach Kielsmeier does love the game.

Attending HPU from 2001 through 2005 was great.  and Howard Payne University W. Bball made it even better.  it got me involved in the school, renewed my love for basketball, got me addicted to this website, and taught me that great achievments require great dedication. 

Good luck to all the girls playing in the Tourney!!! 

And GO JACKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on March 07, 2008, 01:37:07 PM
Once again I will state clearly that I have respect for Coach Kielsmeier at HPU.  But the only person I will recognize as Coach K is the man in Durham who has 801 wins and whose team is playing North Carolina tomorrow night.

I know this will rile HPU fans, but as a true blue Duke Alum and fan I have to speak up for this. In the College basketball world there is only one Coach K.

Good luck tomorrow night.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 07, 2008, 02:12:23 PM
As an HPU fan and ASC fan let me speak up on this.

WHO CARES!


thank you
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on March 07, 2008, 02:22:18 PM
Good response Dballa, look for me tomorrow night I will be in the Duke shirt in the McM section.  It would good to meet you in person.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 07, 2008, 02:24:22 PM
WOW!!!  that pretty much misses the ENTIRE message i was trying send.  thanks for taking a small issue of semantics and/or the use of nick-names and making it a large one.   ???

my only response... who cares?  :o from now on i would like everyone to refer to ME as Coach K. ;D  because it doesn't really matter if more than one person is called the same name!

Kielsmeier  vs Krzyzewski   hmmm both start with K; both are ridiculously long last names of ten letters (apologies to both! ;)); and both are basketball coaches...  though i do have to give bonus points to Krzyzewski because his name makes use of the 'W' 'Y' & 'Z'!!!  impressive!!!  ;D if only he had an 'x' thrown in there.  i bet i could throw one in there and nobody would notice... how about Krzyzexwski or Krxzyzewski or Krzyzewskix? 8)

But there is only one true way to decide the best Coach K...and that is WHO can make the most words with their name?  (<---that is a joke.  pleaes don't start posting enormous amounts of information about the credentials of Duke!)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 07, 2008, 02:28:10 PM
Quote from: McM Blue Devil on March 07, 2008, 02:22:18 PM
Good response Dballa, look for me tomorrow night I will be in the Duke shirt in the McM section.  It would good to meet you in person.



That will be fun looking for you.  Kind of like a Where's Waldo in a sea of Navy and Old Gold :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 07, 2008, 04:51:24 PM
Interesting takes on the game.  By most any objective standard, McM shouldn't have a chance, but the inconsistency I've complained about all semester may be their secret weapon.  If they're hot, it could be an exciting night.  The one certainty, I think, is that both teams will give it their best shot and do us, their fans, proud.  That's why I'll be in Brownwood tomorrow night.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 07, 2008, 05:20:55 PM
Gates open at 5pm.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 08, 2008, 12:19:43 PM
From what I heard this morning it sounds like McMurry didn't even sell 200 tickets.  That's pretty sad.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 08, 2008, 12:26:12 PM
If that's true, then those of us who are going will just have to yell louder to make up for the ones who aren't there.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 08, 2008, 07:06:57 PM
The stand are filling up and McM even has seating on the floor for all five fans that have decided to show up. Ready for the game to start.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 08, 2008, 07:19:30 PM
Ok take that back, 10-15 fans are down in the bleachers now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 08, 2008, 07:53:43 PM
at least 18, c'mon :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 08, 2008, 09:48:48 PM
WOO HOO

HPU 79
McM 64

FINAL

FOUR IN A ROW!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on March 08, 2008, 10:01:41 PM
as i said a couple of days ago (even lost a kharma point)  HPU easy win by 15-20
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2008, 10:02:17 PM
Final Stats;

HPU Daniels 27 points including FT 11-12; Hoffman 20 pts including 14-17; Hohertz 11 pts.

FG 19-41; 3FG 7-14; FT 34-45; Rebs 40; TO 22; 14 Steals

McM-- Richardson 24 pts; 9 rebs; 4 blocks;  Sawyer 14 pts.

FG 22-60; 3FG 6-16; Rebs 36; TO 20; Steals 14; 7 blocks.

Final stats for the career for Tarra Richardson -- 2164 points; 1015 rebounds; 304 blocks and >200 steals.

I hear that the attendance was 2613.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 08, 2008, 10:20:24 PM
In the words of Mr Rogers, "It's a Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood".

I know why the McMurry fans chant LIB, LIB, LIB, LIB.  They are just trying to form the sentence:

Lady Indian Basketball
Lost in Brownwood
to the Ladies in Brownwood
who are Laughing in Brownwood.

I know Brownwood is redundent but at least I didn't say it 4 times in a row.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 08, 2008, 10:26:57 PM
GREAT JOB JACKETS!!!!!!!!!!!

KEEP IT GOING! :)

:) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 08, 2008, 10:27:31 PM
Another thing that I want to say is that we say a lot of things on here to get people riled up and it's all in fun.  But I thought it was extremely CLASSLESS when the McMurry fans who were sitting on the side of the court started yelling "You are ugly" when Hohertz was shooting free throws.  Also one or two of the fans were doing some little monkey thing.  

Plus why is it all of the McMurry fans stayed seated when the wave was going on?  That was a fun thing for all the fans.  I hope somebody got a video of it so they can post it online.  It was a sight to see watching the whole place, other than McMurry fans, doing the wave.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2008, 11:19:34 PM
Moving forward,

DeSales (Center Valley, PA) is 700 miles from Holland MI.

HPU plays the winner of GFU and UPS.

The basic fact is that we are looking at three plane flights regardless.

If HPU was the highest ranked team in its region and the highest team remaining, then they are the logical team to host the sectionals.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2008, 11:22:15 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 08, 2008, 10:27:31 PM
...
Plus why is it all of the McMurry fans stayed seated when the wave was going on?  That was a fun thing for all the fans.  I hope somebody got a video of it so they can post it online.  It was a sight to see watching the whole place, other than McMurry fans, doing the wave.
dballa, would we be seeing the HPU fans doing the wave in the Coliseum if McMurry were beating Coach Kielsmeir by 15 points?

He would be taking names!!!

Get serious!!!   :D

LOL!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 08, 2008, 11:26:20 PM
I wouldn't know, HPU hasn't been beaten by 15 in a long time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2008, 11:33:17 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 08, 2008, 11:26:20 PM
I wouldn't know, HPU hasn't been beaten by 15 in a long time.
Your next opponent is George Fox who beat Puget Sound 72-66.

I remember it.  Abilene TX; January 12, 2006; McMurry 64 HPU 46

;)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 09, 2008, 12:26:57 AM
An interesting definition of class, or lack thereof.  The fans of the winning team gloat about the losing team's LIB slogan, are upset about the some of the losing team's shouts during the game, and deride their lack of participation in the wave initiated by the HPU fans.  One wonders how the fans of the winning team would be reacting now if their team had lost?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 09, 2008, 12:59:15 AM
I was disappointed with the chant as well dballa, but moving on. Great season for McM - and good luck to HPU - this is your year to do something big for yourselves and the ASC. Hopefully in the future Texas can get a few more teams in so they will split us up and maybe meet up in the later rounds.

As a basketball fan - obviously several times in the last three years - you get in awe of watching Tarra Richardson and what she can do. But tonight, especially with the last three treys - it was fun to see one of the great players in the conference play in Meia Daniels.

It will be interesting to see how McM and HPU do next year without the foundation of four-year players like Daniels and Richardson.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 09, 2008, 09:15:54 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2008, 11:33:17 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 08, 2008, 11:26:20 PM
I wouldn't know, HPU hasn't been beaten by 15 in a long time.
Your next opponent is George Fox who beat Puget Sound 72-66.

I remember it.  Abilene TX; January 12, 2006; McMurry 64 HPU 46

;)



Actually it was 64-48 and in Brownwood.  They lost the next to HSU and haven't lost at home since then.  HPU's next opponent is actually DeSales.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 09, 2008, 09:25:39 AM
mcmfan,

I understand you guys are probably upset about a SLOGAN being talked about but it's a little different than a derogatory chant towards an individual player. 

I hear the HP WHO chants and the "Horrid Payne" or whatever else you can call HPU and it doesn't bother me.  I wouldn't like it if our fans were doing the same thing towards another teams player.

On that note like mcm_sid said, congrats to Richardson on a great career.  She was amazing to watch except when she was scoring and blocking shots against HPU.  Also congrats to Sawyer.  She was the scariest player out on the floor for McMurry because she could hit shots from anywhere on the court.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2008, 09:33:27 AM
Quote from: dballa on March 09, 2008, 09:15:54 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2008, 11:33:17 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 08, 2008, 11:26:20 PM
I wouldn't know, HPU hasn't been beaten by 15 in a long time.
Your next opponent is George Fox who beat Puget Sound 72-66.

I remember it.  Abilene TX; January 12, 2006; McMurry 64 HPU 46
;)

Actually it was 64-48 and in Brownwood.  They lost the next to HSU and haven't lost at home since then.  HPU's next opponent is actually DeSales.

Boink! Rim shot!  :-[
Thanks for the correction!

ARN (http://www.reporternews.com/news/2008/mar/08/hpu-ends-mcmurry-season/) news story on the game
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2008, 12:35:07 PM
Howard Payne hosting sectionals.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2008, 01:59:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2008, 12:35:07 PM
Howard Payne hosting sectionals.
Yes!!!

Heh heh heh!!! How about those special effects, Jacket fans!

Now I am going to practice rooting for the Yellow Jackets!

GO HORRID PAIN!  Oops!

GO HORRID PAIN!  Oops!

GO HORRID PAIN! :-\

GO HORRID PAIN!

Shucks!  I didn't get it right on the fourth try either!   :D ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2008, 02:02:33 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 09, 2008, 09:25:39 AM
I hear the HP WHO chants and the "Horrid Payne" or whatever else you can call HPU and it doesn't bother me.  I wouldn't like it if our fans were doing the same thing towards another teams player.

Go Jackets!  Win it all!

I think that the crowd will least affect Hope College.  Those ladies will just go into "Calvin mode".
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm505 on March 09, 2008, 03:08:43 PM
In regards to the inappropriate chants by the McM Students, I know this is only my second post on this site, and my credibility may not be good, but every school has fans like that.

I remember playing at HPU and being completely harassed about my mother, sister, and other derogatory terms about my supposed sexuality.  I experienced similar experiences at HSU (if not worse), at Austin College, and pretty much every other school in the ASC (including McMurry). 

After spending time at my current grad school and attending all of our sporting events, I have come to realize that every school has its immature idiots.  Whether it is McM, HPU, CU, HSU, or TLU there are pockets of fans that do not realize how to heckle appropriately (which can still be harsh, but not derogatory). 

With that in mind, congrats to HPU and good luck the rest of the way out.  It has and always should be cheer for your school first, and then the conference if your school can't win it all.  I even had to cheer for TLU in the 2004 Regional Tourney, so it can be done.

Best of luck HPU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 09, 2008, 04:36:23 PM
dballa,

I simply found it less than edifying that a fan of the winning team would come up with so many derogatory things to say about the losers in a post.  I know some of the people who work at HPU; we shook hands after the game and I congratulated him on the win.  He didn't tell me what poor slogans we had or deride us for not joining in a HPU wave.  I told him I hoped HPU would get the sectional and go all the way to the final four.  I think it's cool that HPU did get the sectional, as I read here.

Incidentally, some of your "classless" McM fans stayed after the game to pick up the trash dropped on the floor under our bleachers.  Whatever the shouts during the game, we left a clean area for the clean up crew after it was over.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on March 09, 2008, 04:50:00 PM
First, MCM505, great post!!  It is embarassing to me the way some people act and the way they talk--especially boys to girls. I did not hear what has been referred to on here about last night, but I don't like it either. I do know no school is totally immune from stupidity, however.

Now to one of my pet peeves about fans. I heard this "chant" last night from both sides directed at 2 of  the (if  not the absolute 2  best  period) players in the history of the ASC.  "Air ball, air ball" was directed at both Meia Daniels and Tarra Richardson over and over. How silly, foolish and ultimately counterproductive!! I hear it all the time from high school on up and it is just goofy IMHO. All both of them did was make the people chanting sound ignorant by making basket after basket and free throw after free throw.  As I have said before, yell FOR your team and AT the refs. I don't mind everyone screaming indiscriminately during the other team's free throws, I guess, but any personal stuff is not right.  My observation last night from at least my perspective is that it generally was not outrageous for which I was grateful.

I am not sure I would participate in the "wave" at McMurry either. Frankly, when it was 62-56, I was way too nervous to get too much involved either.  It was fun to see though. On that note, I do not buy the 2613 attendance figure.  I was not at the Chapman game last year (nephew's wedding--and I will not let him forget it!!)  but if there were truly 4000 at that game  there is no way there were only 2613 last night--maybe 3613. There were some seats but every section was 80-90% full or more and 250-300 (?) or more on the floor. If the top of the coliseum seats 4000 there is no way it was 2613.  Someone explain this to me.  The ticket sellers told me HPU sold all its tickets except for 800 sent to McMurry,then McMurry sent back all but 200-300 of those and she said 200+ of those returned were sold. That sounds like closer to the 3500-4000 I thought.

When I realized it would be 3 flights regardless, I was hoping HPU would get the sectional with our record, regional ranking (only #1 in our pod), Hope already having the final four,etc., but I am still thrilled!  Thanks to the Hope men for making that decision easier for the NCAA.  All right, HPU and Brownwood, let's do this sectional right!!!

On another positive note, after the game last night, I saw who I believe is Tarra Richardson's dad come up to Meia Daniels  and tell her how much he had enjoyed watching her play these last four years.  Especially at that time, after watching Tarra play for the last time, after another tough loss, I was VERY impressed--very very nice.

Along with everyone else I hope--I also have to say GO JACKETS!!! Let's win it all!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2008, 05:07:24 PM
Good post, Rick!

I am excited about this game.  DeSales from the MAC-Freedom Conference  comes from a proud area for D-III women's hoops.  A strong showing will help the reputation of the ASC.

Concordia TX got to play Messiah (MAC-Commonwealth Conference) in Cancun this year.  Messiah is another strong program that is still in the tourney.

Daniels and Richardson are as good a pair of players as we are likely to see in the conference.  It certainly has been fun!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: crufootball on March 09, 2008, 05:15:42 PM
What does LIB mean for the McMurry girls? I saw it a while back and have been wondering what it means?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on March 09, 2008, 05:42:35 PM
Thanks, Ralph.  One more comment about the attendance last night. In looking at the HPU website for statistics, it shows 2670 at the McMurry game a month ago and 2310 at the HSU game that same week.  There were TONS more people last night than at either of those games.  I was at all 3!!  Someone fromn HPU either needs to look again from last night, or those game numbers were WAY overinflated.  And frankly, if there were only 2613 last night, we need to count the seats again in the coliseum--I don't see how it holds 4000-4500 or whatever we claim.

By the way, no one from McMurry can say this upon penalty of death from the NCAA--or some worse penalty--but since I am from HPU, I can say it. We all know LIB is LADY INDIAN BASKETBALL.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 09, 2008, 05:46:51 PM
But now it is "Ladies in Basketball"!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: veragrace on March 09, 2008, 05:56:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2008, 02:02:33 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 09, 2008, 09:25:39 AM
I hear the HP WHO chants and the "Horrid Payne" or whatever else you can call HPU and it doesn't bother me.  I wouldn't like it if our fans were doing the same thing towards another teams player.

Go Jackets!  Win it all!

I think that the crowd will least affect Hope College.  Those ladies will just go into "Calvin mode".

works for me...

Jan 9    Hope 56 Calvin 39
Feb 9   Hope 66 Calvin 58

put us in "Calvin mode" anytime. ;D


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2008, 06:02:41 PM
Quote from: veragrace on March 09, 2008, 05:56:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2008, 02:02:33 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 09, 2008, 09:25:39 AM
I hear the HP WHO chants and the "Horrid Payne" or whatever else you can call HPU and it doesn't bother me.  I wouldn't like it if our fans were doing the same thing towards another teams player.
Go Jackets!  Win it all!
I think that the crowd will least affect Hope College.  Those ladies will just go into "Calvin mode".
works for me...
Jan 9    Hope 56 Calvin 39
Feb 9   Hope 66 Calvin 58
put us in "Calvin mode" anytime. ;D
Welcome Veragrace!

Travel safely!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: veragrace on March 09, 2008, 06:40:24 PM
Unfortunately traveling is not in the budget this year...we'll be staying home to cheer for our men's team....we can walk to the fieldhouse...much cheaper ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2008, 06:46:11 PM
In the NCAA Tournament you have to count tickets sold. I am not sure last year's reported attendance vs. Chapman met that criterion, which is why we didn't report it as a record, for example.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 09, 2008, 09:54:13 PM
2,613 at the game last night?  Something is really wrong.  I was guessing around 3,800.  It wasn't as large as the Chapman game last year, but it was larger than the McMurry and Hardin Simmons games of this year.  I'm guessing they meant 3,613.   If it was 2,613, then the coliseum only holds around 2,800 - 2,900, which I know it doesn't.
Title: Coming SouthWest
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 09, 2008, 10:27:08 PM
Friendly folks of Texas...I am the DeSales SID (as my handle says).

I will be traveling with the team this weekend for our game on Friday at HPU.  Looking forward to see this facility.  It looks pretty sweet on the HPU web site.  We are excited about the trip, from reading the last few pages about the weekend's games it seems as though the atmosphere will be a great one for our team.

What should I be expecting?

While I have your ear.  Anyone play golf on here and know of some quality courses in the area that I might be able to play if I think I will have the time to do so.  I don't mind paying an extra dollar or two to play a quality course.

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Coming SouthWest
Post by: dballa on March 09, 2008, 11:42:25 PM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on March 09, 2008, 10:27:08 PM

While I have your ear.  Anyone play golf on here and know of some quality courses in the area that I might be able to play if I think I will have the time to do so.  I don't mind paying an extra dollar or two to play a quality course.

Thanks in advance

http://www.golflink.com/golf-courses/city.asp?dest=Brownwood+TX

I don't know if this helps you out any but here are 3 courses in the area.  You would have to get a member of the Brownwood Country Club to take you if you wanted to go there but I'm sure if you talk to HPU's SID or Athletic Director they may know someone that could take you.  The other two are public courses but are 9 hole courses.  Feather Bay is out at Lake Brownwood and it's a beautiful area out there.

I hope you enjoy your stay in Brownwood, although as an HPU fan I hope it's not too enjoyable from a basketball view :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 10, 2008, 12:02:05 AM
DBalla,

Thanks a ton for the link.  I found Brownwood CC tonight but figured the public was not allowed...maybe the HPU SID or AD would be able to hook me up...that'd be cool.  I am sure I will talk with the SID tomorrow.

Another quick question...I am guessing that Dallas/San Antonio are not really within driving distance to go play a round of golf.  Would I be correct in that assumption?

I certainly can understand, as an HPU fan, you hoping we don't enjoy our stay too much.  It appears by many accounts that you guys have quite a team.  I am looking forward to seeing HPU, as well as George Fox and Hope, play this weekend.  Its an exciting time of the year for all Division III hoop fans.

Anyone else with any golf help/advice...feel free to chime in.  Maybe a Brownwood CC member looking for some company who is reading the board.  I am available to play,  :).  Being stuck in the 40 degree temps and soggy conditions here in PA, a round of golf would be a great 4-5 hours of mental health for me.

Thanks.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 10, 2008, 12:20:10 AM
McMurry fans call us what you like one thing is for sure we are still playing and that is what its all about.  I hope you had enough TP to use for whatever you needed it for.  The chants your student section were uncalled for, but alls they were doing was adding fuel to the fire and at the end of that game that section was very quiet and not talking LIB I mean LIP.  Now, on to better things it is awesome that the sectionals are going to be in Brownwood!  Very much deserving and looking forward to playing DeSalles,it should be a great matchup. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 10, 2008, 12:25:24 AM
San Saba which is about a 45 minutes drive from Brownwood has a great public course. Very tough to play or at least it was for me.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 01:46:21 AM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on March 10, 2008, 12:02:05 AM
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Anyone else with any golf help/advice...feel free to chime in.  Maybe a Brownwood CC member looking for some company who is reading the board.  I am available to play,  :).  Being stuck in the 40 degree temps and soggy conditions here in PA, a round of golf would be a great 4-5 hours of mental health for me.

Thanks.
Sounds like a brother in need.  He'll take a golfing fix.  Maybe he could learn to "pitch and run".

I haven't played Brownwood CC in 40 years.  Dad and I had a friend in Santa Anna who took us as his guest.  Lots of fun memories!

Wish my dad were here to hear the game.  He would have loved the internet for sporting events!

Seriously, HPU!  Best wishes and we need a Walnut and Bronze!  If we got beat four times this year, I want it to the National Champion!  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 02:11:01 AM
Congratulations to Meia Daniels on the 2000th point (http://www.d3hoops.com/milestones/2008) of her career! :)
How about 4 more games to catch Tarra! ;)

Wow!  We have had greatness among us!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2008, 02:13:40 AM
Richardson ended with 2,194. Daniels is at ... I guess 2,023 if I do the math. But 2 a.m. math isn't the best.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 02:15:36 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2008, 02:13:40 AM
Richardson ended with 2,194. Daniels is at ... I guess 2,023 if I do the math. But 2 a.m. math isn't the best.
43 points per game on the way to the Walnut and Bronze would be something!  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 10, 2008, 09:18:58 AM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on March 10, 2008, 12:02:05 AM

Another quick question...I am guessing that Dallas/San Antonio are not really within driving distance to go play a round of golf.  Would I be correct in that assumption?

Being stuck in the 40 degree temps and soggy conditions here in PA, a round of golf would be a great 4-5 hours of mental health for me.


You're right both of those places would be too far to drive for golf if you were wanting to be able to make it back for the games. 

As far as the weather as of this morning it's forecasted for sunny and in the upper 70's and 80's for the weekend.  It should be very nice golfing weather if you're able to make it to a course :) Of course here in Texas that's subject to change every time somebody sneezes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 09:29:02 AM
Quote from: dballa on March 10, 2008, 09:18:58 AM
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As far as the weather as of this morning it's forecasted for sunny and in the upper 70's and 80's for the weekend.  It should be very nice golfing weather if you're able to make it to a course :) Of course here in Texas that's subject to change every time somebody sneezes.
Chicken or the egg...is the weather changing every time someone sneezes or is someone sneezing because the wind just blew in a different type of pollen?

:D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 10, 2008, 09:31:25 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 02:15:36 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2008, 02:13:40 AM
Richardson ended with 2,194. Daniels is at ... I guess 2,023 if I do the math. But 2 a.m. math isn't the best.
43 points per game on the way to the Walnut and Bronze would be something!  :)

:)  that would be insane...i love HPU...and i love my friend Meia, but i'm not holding my breath on 43 ppg. LOL  She would have to play out-side of her mind!!!

GO HOWARD PAYNE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 10, 2008, 09:38:18 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 09:29:02 AM
Chicken or the egg...is the weather changing every time someone sneezes or is someone sneezing because the wind just blew in a different type of pollen?

:D

UMMM i choose egg!  And everyone knows the weather changes because of convection: i.e. the warming of air near the surface of the earth so that it rises and is replaced by cooler air from above.  8)

(ok, so i googled that!  ;D  I don't even know if its true. LOL)
Title: Re: Coming SouthWest
Post by: mcmfan on March 10, 2008, 11:19:58 AM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on March 09, 2008, 10:27:08 PM
Friendly folks of Texas...I am the DeSales SID (as my handle says).
Looking forward to see this facility.  It looks pretty sweet on the HPU web site.
You obviously haven't read some of the earlier posts here, referring to "the facility" as The Mausoleum.  Most of us non-HPU people don't like it, for it is dark and cavernous inside; and, except for a small bleacher section, spectators are isolated in a semi-balcony that rings the floor.  That said, this year it got a new floor and scoreboard.  Contrary to earlier posts, I at least had no trouble with the bathrooms at Saturday's game.  The paper towels ran out at one point in the main floor men's room, but were quickly replenished.  The people of HPU and Brownwood are great; they will go out of their way to make this an enjoyable time for you.  My only negative experience Saturday was our losing the game.  :'( 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 10, 2008, 11:57:04 AM
Ralph...you be in attendance on Friday evening.  We can talk D3hoops and Cowboys/Eagles (assuming you are a Cowboys fan)...I am diehard Eagles fan having grown up in Philadelphia.  I am sure now our bus will get bombarded with egg shells on our way in,  :).

I have heard different accounts on the state of the Howard Payne gymnasium.  I guess being an HPU rival will make your hatred of another's school facility run a little deeper.  I'll wait to pass judgement for when I get there, but we've played in some gyms that seat 250 people max. and don't even rival some gyms I played in when I was 12 years old.  Should be a good experience for us.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 10, 2008, 12:17:45 PM
The seating and the lights are actually better than they were when HPU was in the Lone Star Conference.  Back then the outer ring of lights were turned off during games.  Only the lights above the court area were on.  Also they added seats in front of the scoreboard a few years back that were only concrete bleacher type seats. 

Also for the first time that I've seen at an HPU basketball game they actually sold drinks, popcorn and programs in the stands. 

Something they need to fix about the coliseum is the parking area.  There never has been enough parking for how many people can actually fit in the coliseum.  I've been wanting them to do a shuttle from other locations to actually be able to bring in more people.  Maybe this weekend they'll decide to do that.
Title: Re: Coming SouthWest
Post by: Scratch on March 10, 2008, 12:21:30 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 10, 2008, 11:19:58 AM
Most of us non-HPU people don't like it, for it is dark and cavernous inside; and, except for a small bleacher section, spectators are isolated in a semi-balcony that rings the floor.  That said, this year it got a new floor and scoreboard. 

Of course the up side is you don't have to move spectators over to inbound the ball or worry about tripping over students' feet when you break down the baseline. 

Having witnessed the UT Tyler, TX gym for the ASC conference playoffs-Louise Herrington Patriot Center (completed 2002 (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/facilities/)) I can say that the Brownwood coliseum is much brighter than this one built in the last few years.

Also, the extra seating capacity is great.  I remember last year when Chapman came to town for the second round game their girls played in front of more fan in one game than they had played for all year (I did not look it up, but I think that is what I remember).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 10, 2008, 01:10:00 PM
What style of basketball does DeSales play?
Title: Re: Coming SouthWest
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 03:31:44 PM
Quote from: Scratch on March 10, 2008, 12:21:30 PM
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Also, the extra seating capacity is great.  I remember last year when Chapman came to town for the second round game their girls played in front of more fan in one game than they had played for all year (I did not look it up, but I think that is what I remember).
Yes, I compiled those data.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: berghoops on March 10, 2008, 03:33:36 PM
BJ -  Keep your left arm straight and your head down !!!!!

HPU -  Take good care of DeSales.  Even though they knocked us (Muhlenberg) out of the tournament, they are a class act.  Kids play very hard with lots of heart.  Imagine Duke-Carolina intensity.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 10, 2008, 03:52:57 PM
Sethhpu - We play hard...I can't give away any secrets,  ;)

Berghoops...thanks for the vote of confidence and the compliments.  The game on Friday night with you guys was a great one.  Definitely had a Duke/Carolina feel to it.  We really appreciate the kind words.  You guys were also a class act in hosting us all weekend.  The staff did a great job.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 10, 2008, 05:15:42 PM
It turns out that the coliseum only has 2,900 seats upstairs.  It's "seating" capacity is actually over stated.  The Chapman game last year with 4,000+, was due to the fact that so many people stood, or sat in the aisles, and on the coliseum floor.  Needless to say, the crowd can't be any larger than the Chapman game, but wouldn't it be great to see again.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: House on March 10, 2008, 06:08:12 PM
The Brownwood Coliseum looks great from the pictures. However, I do have a question. What primary use was the building originally built for? The stands appear to make a perfect circle around the lower area. It's such an unusual design and I haven't been able to come up with a type of event that would require it. Also, how far is the drop from the balcony to the floor? Looks like it could be dangerous to rush the court.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 10, 2008, 06:48:15 PM
House recommended not to rush the seats from the balcony would really hurt.  That is a pretty good fall, having not measured it about a 20 to 25' drop  :o  I was there Saturday night and it sure seemed like there was more people than 2613 more like 2900.  I can almost assure you that there will be good crowds at both games, but HPUs game will be a sell out. I know I will be taking in both games because I want to see the #1 team in the nation play even though in my eyes I have been watching them all year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 10, 2008, 06:59:15 PM
Quote from: House on March 10, 2008, 06:08:12 PM
The Brownwood Coliseum looks great from the pictures. However, I do have a question. What primary use was the building originally built for? The stands appear to make a perfect circle around the lower area. It's such an unusual design and I haven't been able to come up with a type of event that would require it. Also, how far is the drop from the balcony to the floor? Looks like it could be dangerous to rush the court.
It's a city owned Coliseum.  It was designed for multi-functions at the time.  Circus, BB games, concerts, etc.    If a person jumped over the edge, they would have an approx. 15 foot fall.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 10, 2008, 07:02:36 PM
Mr. Turner thank you for the cujos, also for your D3HOOPS wisdom throughout the year you give us alot of information and is much appreciated by this HPU fan.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on March 10, 2008, 07:03:21 PM
DESALES SID:

Let me know if you don't get your golf game set up.  I am on the board at HPU, and if the university does not have some access to Brownwood CC, I am sure one of our local trustees does.  I don't live in Brownwood, but we should be able to get that done, or there are public ones that have already been mentioned. Let me know if you don't. I want us to be the best hosts ever for a sectional.  I am thrilled we got it!  I felt we earned it on the court, but I am well aware of all the other considerations involved in such a selection.

As far as the Coliseum is concerned, it was built around 1964, but not for basketball.  That is obvious when you sit in certain places and cannot see quite all the court.  Just a few feet more and it would be perfect.  HPU decided to move there for basketball after it was built, unfortunately.  I guess, but do not know, that it was built to try to host conventions,etc.?

I am convinced we would not have this sectional if HPU had not put in the new floor, goals, scoreboards, scorers table, chairs, etc., after last year.  All that was bought and paid for by HPU, but the building is still owned by the City of Brownwood. I also believe the lighting on the floor (where you need it, right?) is better with the lighter colored new floor and is fine. How high are the seats above the floor? Someone help me, but to storm the court you would have to crawl over a 30 inch or so wall and jump 8(?) feet down. There is seating on the floor for only 200-300.

SethHPU:

Here is my DeSales scouting report--all gleaned from the DeSales website so it is the basics.  The 2 leading scorers are 2 5'8" junior guards at 19 ppg and 15 ppg.  They have 70 and 21 3's and shoot 82% and 93% from the line, respectively.  I did not see anyone over 5'10" in the top 7 in minutes played.  No matter how you look at it, you do not win 26 games without being a superior team.  I can't wait until Friday!

I am still in shock about the capacity.  I have heard 4000-4500 forever.  Jacket 84, I am going to count them all myself on Friday. How could you ever have gotten 4,000+ in there then for anything? Was the Chapman game last year only an estimate? I reiterate there were easily 1,000 more fans Saturday than at any game this year, including McMurry or Hardin-Simmons.  Again, there were still seats but not more than 400 or so(?) unfilled upstairs at the very most.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 10, 2008, 07:10:23 PM
I agree with you, but I spoke with someone today with HPU that actually counted the seats.  I'm just going by their count.  If their count is correct, I'm not sure about the Chapman crowd of 4,000+. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: House on March 10, 2008, 07:21:07 PM
Thanks for the info golfniz1. You'll have to give us a report on the matchup after the Friday games. Hope vs HPU would be a great game Saturday, though I wish it could have waited for March 22.  I can't make the trip, but am looking forward to listening over the internet.



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 10, 2008, 07:25:04 PM
Rick,

Thanks a ton for the post...I'll email you tonight from home.  Is that email under your user name correct?

BJ
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 07:41:14 PM
Quote from: House on March 10, 2008, 07:21:07 PM
Thanks for the info golfniz1. You'll have to give us a report on the matchup after the Friday games. Hope vs HPU would be a great game Saturday, though I wish it could have waited for March 22.  I can't make the trip, but am looking forward to listening over the internet.
Is Hope sending a radio crew?

If not, HPU's Dallas Huston is one of my favorite play-by-play announcers.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on March 10, 2008, 07:52:57 PM
SID:

My email on here is correct!

Ralph:

As an HPU guy, I like Dallas Huston too!!  And can there be a better name for a sportscaster in Texas?  If I have my facts straight, Dallas has been doing radio play by play on HPU games since 1964.  I think he started the same year we started playing in the Coliseum instead of Jacket Gym on campus.  I am positive he was doing it when I was at HPU in 1971-1975.  And as he now says on the broadcasts, you can now hear him and the games "on KHPU 91.7 and worldwide on the internet."
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sac on March 10, 2008, 08:08:10 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 07:41:14 PM

Is Hope sending a radio crew?

The WHTC website says they are, or at least the program schedule says they'll be broadcasting the game.

They had the women's scoreboard updateing on the DeVos scoreboard while the men's game was going on this past Saturday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 10, 2008, 08:09:08 PM
Rick actually for the postseason the broadcast will be locally on 101.3.  It's normally on 91.7 KHPU the schools radio station, but being on 101.3 they are guaranteed commercial spots.  Plus with the experience they've had with the guy running the schools radio station I think it's a better deal using 101.3.  They are more professional and they are actually there to run the show and run it correctly.  They do the Brownwood High sports and do a wonderful job airing it.
Carl Wayne who is a dj for the radio station actually did the color commentary for Dallas in Saturday's game.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on March 10, 2008, 08:12:04 PM
My mistake, dballa--sounds even better!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 08:14:42 PM
Quote from: Rick Akins on March 10, 2008, 07:52:57 PM
SID:
My email on here is correct!

Ralph:
As an HPU guy, I like Dallas Huston too!!  And can there be a better name for a sportscaster in Texas?  If I have my facts straight, Dallas has been doing radio play by play on HPU games since 1964.  I think he started the same year we started playing in the Coliseum instead of Jacket Gym on campus.  I am positive he was doing it when I was at HPU in 1971-1975.  And as he now says on the broadcasts, you can now hear him and the games "on KHPU 91.7 and worldwide on the internet."
I was going to make a wise crack about Rick Akins actually being a participant in the witness protection program from a Will Smith/Tommy Lee Jones sequel, but I didn't want to "out" your basketball ability.  :D

B_J DSU SID, I watched McMurry play HPU in the early 1970's in the Coliseum.

I joke about being able to identify one of the light bulbs that was there 37 years ago.

Like most conferences, we get to know the arenas in which we play.  UMHB has a place compared to the intimidating old "pit" in which they played earlier in this decade.  The Mausoleum, what we have called that arena for at least 3 decades, is another venue.  McM, HSU, Schreiner, TLU, SRSU...all of those places have their own nature and character.  CTX will have a new facility next year.

I now wonder if the Mausoleum is the oldest facility in the West. Older than HSU's?  HPU definitely uses home court to its advantage.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 08:20:36 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 10, 2008, 08:09:08 PM
Rick actually for the postseason the broadcast will be locally on 101.3.  It's normally on 91.7 KHPU the schools radio station, but being on 101.3 they are guaranteed commercial spots.  Plus with the experience they've had with the guy running the schools radio station I think it's a better deal using 101.3.  They are more professional and they are actually there to run the show and run it correctly.  They do the Brownwood High sports and do a wonderful job airing it.
Carl Wayne who is a dj for the radio station actually did the color commentary for Dallas in Saturday's game. 
I hope that there will be formal media timeouts for the game, altho' I think think that HPU has sufficient depth to play without them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 10, 2008, 08:25:16 PM
Okay, before I set out on my three-day drive, should I be concerned about getting a ticket at the door, now that the actual capacity of the venue is in question?  Being impartial, I promise to cheer for whichever team can hook me up with a ticket first.  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 10, 2008, 08:27:54 PM
Ralph at our home games we've always had formal media timeouts.  The only bad thing with the schools radio station is that it's commercial free.  Therefore when they did take a media break sometimes it was just dead air or even sometimes they played songs, which actually wasn't all bad :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 10, 2008, 08:29:23 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 10, 2008, 08:25:16 PM
Okay, before I set out on my three-day drive, should I be concerned about getting a ticket at the door, now that the actual capacity of the venue is in question?  Being impartial, I promise to cheer for whichever team can hook me up with a ticket first.  ;D

I'm sure HPU will make sure you get a media pass, unless you come in wearing a Hope or DeSales shirt then there will be problems :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 08:34:49 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 10, 2008, 08:27:54 PM
Ralph at our home games we've always had formal media timeouts.  The only bad thing with the schools radio station is that it's commercial free.  Therefore when they did take a media break sometimes it was just dead air or even sometimes they played songs, which actually wasn't all bad :)
Thanks dballa, there was a question about media timeouts in the UMHB-Fontbonne game.  I think that Fontbonne ran out of gas.

I don't know if our visitors to Brownwood can handle the fine cuisine at Underwood's. 

Is the steak place in Lowake (the Lowake Steak House) still open?  That might not be a good time option.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 08:36:13 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 10, 2008, 08:29:23 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 10, 2008, 08:25:16 PM
Okay, before I set out on my three-day drive, should I be concerned about getting a ticket at the door, now that the actual capacity of the venue is in question?  Being impartial, I promise to cheer for whichever team can hook me up with a ticket first.  ;D

I'm sure HPU will make sure you get a media pass, unless you come in wearing a Hope or DeSales shirt then there will be problems :)
David qualifies for a D3hoops.com media pass.   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 10, 2008, 08:39:19 PM
I think they'll enjoy Underwoods.  There's also Prima Pasta which is very good right next to the Comfort Inn.  Whichever team stays there can just walk next door for some good Italian food.  Humphrey Pete's is a local Chili's type place that has pretty good food.  There are a few other places that are good as well.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 10, 2008, 08:53:13 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 08:34:49 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 10, 2008, 08:27:54 PM
Ralph at our home games we've always had formal media timeouts.  The only bad thing with the schools radio station is that it's commercial free.  Therefore when they did take a media break sometimes it was just dead air or even sometimes they played songs, which actually wasn't all bad :)
Thanks dballa, there was a question about media timeouts in the UMHB-Fontbonne game.  I think that Fontbonne ran out of gas.

I don't know if our visitors to Brownwood can handle the fine cuisine at Underwood's. 

Is the steak place in Lowake (the Lowake Steak House) still open?  That might not be a good time option.
Lowake's is still open.  I just ate there a couple of months ago coming back from San Angelo.  I don't think it's worth the 160 mile round trip from Brownwood.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 10, 2008, 08:57:16 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 08:36:13 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 10, 2008, 08:29:23 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 10, 2008, 08:25:16 PM
Okay, before I set out on my three-day drive, should I be concerned about getting a ticket at the door, now that the actual capacity of the venue is in question?  Being impartial, I promise to cheer for whichever team can hook me up with a ticket first.  ;D

I'm sure HPU will make sure you get a media pass, unless you come in wearing a Hope or DeSales shirt then there will be problems :)
David qualifies for a D3hoops.com media pass.   ;)
No, he doesn't.  I am a fan, not a member of the media, looking only for a combination of good hoops and good weather. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 08:58:43 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 10, 2008, 08:57:16 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 08:36:13 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 10, 2008, 08:29:23 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 10, 2008, 08:25:16 PM
Okay, before I set out on my three-day drive, should I be concerned about getting a ticket at the door, now that the actual capacity of the venue is in question?  Being impartial, I promise to cheer for whichever team can hook me up with a ticket first.  ;D
I'm sure HPU will make sure you get a media pass, unless you come in wearing a Hope or DeSales shirt then there will be problems :)
David qualifies for a D3hoops.com media pass.   ;)
No, he doesn't.  I am a fan, not a member of the media, looking only for a combination of good hoops and good weather. :)
Golf?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 10, 2008, 09:07:43 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 08:58:43 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 10, 2008, 08:57:16 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 08:36:13 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 10, 2008, 08:29:23 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 10, 2008, 08:25:16 PM
Okay, before I set out on my three-day drive, should I be concerned about getting a ticket at the door, now that the actual capacity of the venue is in question?  Being impartial, I promise to cheer for whichever team can hook me up with a ticket first.  ;D
I'm sure HPU will make sure you get a media pass, unless you come in wearing a Hope or DeSales shirt then there will be problems :)
David qualifies for a D3hoops.com media pass.   ;)
No, he doesn't.  I am a fan, not a member of the media, looking only for a combination of good hoops and good weather. :)
Golf?
No, "hoops" means "basketball."  It uses a somewhat larger ball and far less sand and water. 

I gave up golf years ago when I discovered that I could walk through a forest without carrying clubs and enjoy it more.

This is all good fun, but actually I have a serious question: should I be concerned about getting a ticket at the window on Friday afternoon?  I'd hate to drive all that way (like, 20 hours or more) only to be shut out.  Does anyone know if I can purchase a ticket via email or phone and pick it up at Will Call--I couldn't find any information about this at the HPU website.  Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 10, 2008, 09:14:49 PM
Dallas is very a good announcer and really does his homework well when comes to information for the radio world. I am hoping that people come see the games in person to see 4 very good basketball teams give their all for their teams, schools and communities.  Guys don't forget we have Chillies too a favorite hang out for the college kids. Where is there a good Mexican food place to eat in Brownwood.  Me being from South Texas gotta have some!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 10, 2008, 09:17:20 PM
David let me know if you need one I will pick you one up.  You can't get one at DeSalles?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on March 10, 2008, 09:53:42 PM
This is a serious message.  Many times I say things (like the Coach K comments) to rile people up.  Please know it is in all good fun.  I have been reading all the posts and I have to comment how cool it is that fans across the country can talk and discuss this exciting weekend in a polite and friendly fashion.  I think it reflects the nature ofDivision 3 athletics.  Seriously where else would you have a fan of one school offering the SID of the opposing school whatever it takes to get him a round of golf somewhere?  Then you have the same fan offering a different person to pick him up a ticket.

To the HPU fans, I know we disagree a lot, but I have alot of respect for you and your program. Dballa, I am sorry I didn't meet you in person this weekend.
To all those who are traveling to Texas I hope you enjoy the weekend.  The Brownwood Coliseum is not the most attractive place in the world, however neither is Cameron Indoor Stadium.  It is however a fantastic place for atmosphere and to watch a game.  A bit of advice for those traveling to Brownwood, try to sit along the sidelines in the sections above the floor.  If you sit in the enzones at times your view of the entire court is limited.

I wish I could make it down however job responsibilities and family will keep me here. 

One last thing, please forgive the innappropriate comments by the MCM students this past weekend.  It does not reflect our school or our fans as a whole. 

Good luck to everybody.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on March 10, 2008, 10:32:24 PM
David Collinge:

I will get you a ticket, although I doubt there will be a problem.  I will check on it tomorrow.  Email me and I will tell you how we can meet to get it to you, or I will be sure it is there for you.  I am impressed you are coming!  We will get you in the game!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on March 10, 2008, 10:35:46 PM
By the way, have the game times been set and how about that ticket info?  Does anyone know yet?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 10, 2008, 11:03:16 PM
HPU website says 5 p.m. and 7 p.m.

Game times (http://www.hputx.edu/s/668/howardpayne.aspx?sid=668&gid=1&pgid=252&cid=4442&ecid=4442&crid=0&calpgid=1570&calcid=1278)



Edited for Formatting -- Thanks for the info.  Ralph Turner
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 10, 2008, 11:34:04 PM
Quote from: golfniz1 on March 10, 2008, 09:14:49 PM
Where is there a good Mexican food place to eat in Brownwood.  Me being from South Texas gotta have some!

Some people like Gomez's.  If you come in on 377 from Dallas, go past all the restaurants and Wal-Mart then past one more light and it will be on your left just a little ways down.

My favorite right now is Emilio's.  If you go South on Austin Ave by Howard Payne University, go over the overpass and through the light on Coggin Ave, then just past Sonic and it's there on your left.  I eat their quesadilla's everytime I go :)

Unfortunately the best mexican food in town is a restaurant that is being rebuilt after burning down and that's Mi Familia just outside of town in Early. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 10, 2008, 11:37:41 PM
Quote from: McM Blue Devil on March 10, 2008, 09:53:42 PM

Dballa, I am sorry I didn't meet you in person this weekend.

I was actually looking for you along with sethhpu but we couldn't find you.  Of course with so many people there I even walked right by my own friends and family without knowing it.  One of these days we'll meet.  If HPU and McMurry keep playing 3 or 4 times a year we're bound to :)

I also agree with you, it's all in fun and what more fun than with your rivals.  We wouldn't do this if we weren't such big fans of our teams. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 11, 2008, 12:02:12 AM
Rick,

5 (Hope vs. George Fox)
7 (DeSales vs. HPU)

Tickets are 7 (adults) and 4 (SR. Citizens and students)

If you go to my web site (Athletics.desales.edu), my lead story is a sectional preview and includes some ticket info. including a number and name to email to reserve.  I believe tickets are only being sold in advance to the team traveling parties (250 to each visiting team) and then are released to the public by Noon on Thursday.  Don't quote me on any of that, but I think that is the deal.

See ya soon.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Scratch on March 11, 2008, 12:13:46 AM
Quote from: Rick Akins on March 10, 2008, 07:03:21 PM
I am still in shock about the capacity.  I have heard 4000-4500 forever.  Jacket 84, I am going to count them all myself on Friday. How could you ever have gotten 4,000+ in there then for anything? Was the Chapman game last year only an estimate? I reiterate there were easily 1,000 more fans Saturday than at any game this year, including McMurry or Hardin-Simmons.  Again, there were still seats but not more than 400 or so(?) unfilled upstairs at the very most.

I too have heard the 4500 number forever.  I guess it could be one of them there urban legends. :)

Here is a link to the chamber of comerce web site for the coliseum (http://www.brownwoodchamber.org/places_tomeet.htm)

Balcony Area – 2,961 balcony seats
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 12:18:04 AM
Quote from: Scratch on March 11, 2008, 12:13:46 AM
Quote from: Rick Akins on March 10, 2008, 07:03:21 PM
I am still in shock about the capacity.  I have heard 4000-4500 forever.  Jacket 84, I am going to count them all myself on Friday. How could you ever have gotten 4,000+ in there then for anything? Was the Chapman game last year only an estimate? I reiterate there were easily 1,000 more fans Saturday than at any game this year, including McMurry or Hardin-Simmons.  Again, there were still seats but not more than 400 or so(?) unfilled upstairs at the very most.

I too have heard the 4500 number forever.  I guess it could be one of them there urban legends. :)

Here is a link to the chamber of commerce web site for the coliseum (http://www.brownwoodchamber.org/places_tomeet.htm)

Balcony Area – 2,961 balcony seats
Brownwood and urban in the same sentence...     ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Scratch on March 11, 2008, 12:24:44 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 12:18:04 AM
Quote from: Scratch on March 11, 2008, 12:13:46 AM
Quote from: Rick Akins on March 10, 2008, 07:03:21 PM
I am still in shock about the capacity.  I have heard 4000-4500 forever.  Jacket 84, I am going to count them all myself on Friday. How could you ever have gotten 4,000+ in there then for anything? Was the Chapman game last year only an estimate? I reiterate there were easily 1,000 more fans Saturday than at any game this year, including McMurry or Hardin-Simmons.  Again, there were still seats but not more than 400 or so(?) unfilled upstairs at the very most.

I too have heard the 4500 number forever.  I guess it could be one of them there urban legends. :)

Here is a link to the chamber of commerce web site for the coliseum (http://www.brownwoodchamber.org/places_tomeet.htm)

Balcony Area – 2,961 balcony seats
Brownwood and urban in the same sentence...     ;)

And thanks for fixing my spelling of commerce...we don't typically use big words like that down here when diminutive ones will suffice? 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 12:33:08 AM
Quote from: Scratch on March 11, 2008, 12:24:44 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 12:18:04 AM
Quote from: Scratch on March 11, 2008, 12:13:46 AM
Quote from: Rick Akins on March 10, 2008, 07:03:21 PM
I am still in shock about the capacity.  I have heard 4000-4500 forever.  Jacket 84, I am going to count them all myself on Friday. How could you ever have gotten 4,000+ in there then for anything? Was the Chapman game last year only an estimate? I reiterate there were easily 1,000 more fans Saturday than at any game this year, including McMurry or Hardin-Simmons.  Again, there were still seats but not more than 400 or so(?) unfilled upstairs at the very most.
I too have heard the 4500 number forever.  I guess it could be one of them there urban legends. :)
Here is a link to the chamber of commerce web site for the coliseum (http://www.brownwoodchamber.org/places_tomeet.htm)
Balcony Area – 2,961 balcony seats
Brownwood and urban in the same sentence...     ;)
And thanks for fixing my spelling of commerce...we don't typically use big words like that down here when diminutive ones will suffice? 
No problem...I assumed that yours was a typo since you correctly used the term "diminutive".  I took that post as being reflective of a quality ASC education.  ;)

+1!


(I am not sure whether you have gotten quote and modify buttons with your stage of posting.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Scratch on March 11, 2008, 01:36:15 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 12:33:08 AM
No problem...I assumed that yours was a typo since you correctly used the term "diminutive".  I took that post as being reflective of a quality ASC education.  ;)

Ah ha...you caught me, my undergraduate education is from an Abilene institution, ASC reflective, yes...ASC actual, no.   ???


Quote(I am not sure whether you have gotten quote and modify buttons with your stage of posting.)
Quote, yes...modify, no.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 11, 2008, 08:16:18 AM
Isn't that an oxymoronic statement?  Brownwood and urban? ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 08:37:50 AM
Quote from: Scratch on March 11, 2008, 01:36:15 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 12:33:08 AM
No problem...I assumed that yours was a typo since you correctly used the term "diminutive".  I took that post as being reflective of a quality ASC education.  ;)
Ah ha...you caught me, my undergraduate education is from an Abilene institution, ASC reflective, yes...ASC actual, no.   ???

Quote(I am not sure whether you have gotten quote and modify buttons with your stage of posting.)
Quote, yes...modify, no.
Welcome aboard.

Glad to have have you!  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Hwbb on March 11, 2008, 09:03:38 AM
I'm a newcomer to this board, my interest having developed as a result of NCAA bracket choices. So if you've discussed this previously, I apologize in advance. But I'm curious: what has been the reaction down there to a bracket where Howard Payne has to play one of the other undefeated teams before the Final Four, and has that view changed by virtue of getting to host the game? Just curious. (And no, I don't have the cash reserves that will permit me to come see the Brownwood Colisseum in person.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2008, 10:00:39 AM
Hwbb,

I think it's one of mixed reviews.  As in any sport you want #1 vs #2 in the national championship game.  But I think as HPU fans we would rather have the chance to play Hope at our house in front of 3,000 or more HPU fans rather than at Hope's place in front of their fans.

Of course none of that matters if neither one can get past their opponents on Friday night.  DeSales and George Fox are two very good teams that want to win and go to the Final Four just as bad as Hope and HPU.  It should be a fun environment and a fun weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2008, 10:20:50 AM
If you want to know how big this is for HPU and Brownwood, the Brownwood Jaycees have postponed this weekends Lone Star Fair and Rattlesnake Roundup.  I think the only conflict with not having a sellout crowd will be that this Friday is the start of Spring Break for local schools including HPU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 10:36:01 AM
Quote from: dballa on March 11, 2008, 10:00:39 AM
Hwbb,

I think it's one of mixed reviews.  As in any sport you want #1 vs #2 in the national championship game.  But I think as HPU fans we would rather have the chance to play Hope at our house in front of 3,000 or more HPU fans rather than at Hope's place in front of their fans.

Of course none of that matters if neither one can get past their opponents on Friday night.  DeSales and George Fox are two very good teams that want to win and go to the Final Four just as bad as Hope and HPU.  It should be a fun environment and a fun weekend.
I greatly respect GFU and their style of ball. I think that they are a great match-up versus Hope.

As for DeSales ...  Roster (http://athletics.desales.edu/roster.asp?path=wbball)  Stats (http://athletics.desales.edu/Sports/wbball/2007/0708StatsW.asp)   Media Guide (http://athletics.desales.edu/Pdfs/wbball/2007/12/14/0708WHoopsMG.pdf)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 11, 2008, 10:54:10 AM
There's an article in today's Abilene Reporter News with some quotes from Coach... shall we call him K2?

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2008/mar/10/hpu-women-staying-at-home-for-sectional/

Sounds like HPU couldn't have better conditions to play than this weekend, except for semester break with the students.  HPU would have to meet Hope sometime if they wanted to go all the way, and as dballa says, the best time is on own your own court no matter where you are in the post season.  I'd say HPU's only negative right now might be the danger of overconfidence because of all the positives.  HSU has hosted sweet sixteen sectionals several times and never gotten past them, so hosting is no guarantee of ultimate success.

I may try to make it down to Brownwood this weekend, wearing blue and gold instead of maroon!  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 11:10:58 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 11, 2008, 10:54:10 AM

I may try to make it down to Brownwood this weekend, wearing blue and gold instead of maroon!  ;D
I am actually considering going to the game and wearing Maroon.  I will serve as a "cultural exchange" fan.  :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 11, 2008, 11:20:44 AM
But the pictures of the Hope team show them in red uniforms.  You need to be careful...  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HopeConvert on March 11, 2008, 11:20:49 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 11, 2008, 10:54:10 AM

Sounds like HPU couldn't have better conditions to play than this weekend, except for semester break with the students.  HPU would have to meet Hope sometime if they wanted to go all the way, and as dballa says, the best time is on own your own court no matter where you are in the post season.  I'd say HPU's only negative right now might be the danger of overconfidence because of all the positives. 


Not quite as propitious from Hope's point of view.  ;)

Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 11:10:58 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 11, 2008, 10:54:10 AM

I may try to make it down to Brownwood this weekend, wearing blue and gold instead of maroon!  ;D
I am actually considering going to the game and wearing Maroon.  I will serve as a "cultural exchange" fan.  :D

You may want to think twice about that. Waving maroon in front of Hope players is like waving red in front of a bull.  :D

(For those who don't know, Calvin's colors are maroon and gold.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2008, 11:28:52 AM
Quote from: HopeConvert on March 11, 2008, 11:20:49 AM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 11:10:58 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 11, 2008, 10:54:10 AM

I may try to make it down to Brownwood this weekend, wearing blue and gold instead of maroon!  ;D
I am actually considering going to the game and wearing Maroon.  I will serve as a "cultural exchange" fan.  :D

You may want to think twice about that. Waving maroon in front of Hope players is like waving red in front of a bull.  :D

(For those who don't know, Calvin's colors are maroon and gold.)

Then Hope players may want to visit Brownwood High School for a little inspiration.  Brownwood's colors are maroon and white :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: monsoon on March 11, 2008, 11:51:57 AM
Quote from: dballa on March 11, 2008, 10:20:50 AM
If you want to know how big this is for HPU and Brownwood, the Brownwood Jaycees have postponed this weekends Lone Star Fair and Rattlesnake Roundup.  I think the only conflict with not having a sellout crowd will be that this Friday is the start of Spring Break for local schools including HPU.

Say it isn't so!  :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 11, 2008, 12:06:20 PM
Quote from: golfniz1 on March 10, 2008, 09:17:20 PM
David let me know if you need one I will pick you one up.  You can't get one at DeSalles?

Thanks, but I'm not a DeSales fan, and it's about 450 miles from where I live anyway.  When it comes to this sectional, I'm decidedly nonpartisan. 

Rick Akins, I have sent you an email.  Thanks.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2008, 01:21:44 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 07:41:14 PM
Quote from: House on March 10, 2008, 07:21:07 PM
Thanks for the info golfniz1. You'll have to give us a report on the matchup after the Friday games. Hope vs HPU would be a great game Saturday, though I wish it could have waited for March 22.  I can't make the trip, but am looking forward to listening over the internet.
Is Hope sending a radio crew?

If not, HPU's Dallas Huston is one of my favorite play-by-play announcers.

D3hoops.com is sending a radio crew.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2008, 01:22:14 PM
Jostens Trophy winners announced (http://www.d3hoops.com)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: oldknight on March 11, 2008, 01:44:25 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 11:10:58 AM

I am actually considering going to the game and wearing Maroon.  I will serve as a "cultural exchange" fan.  :D


Ralph: I'll be glad to ship you my gold sweatshirt and matching Knights baseball cap--just to round off your wardrobe. Or you could just borrow some of the stuff Ron Holmes got from the Calvin bookstore when he was in Grand Rapids in 2000.  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 11, 2008, 01:59:54 PM
Wow! Congratulations to Tarra!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 11, 2008, 02:00:41 PM
For those uncertain on what wardrobe to wear.  DeSales is navy blue and scarlet and we have no problem with you adopting us as your rooting interest for the weekend.

You folks have been very accomodating to me on this posting up section...I am sure you will all show up in Blue and Red and cheer loud for us,  ;D.

Looking forward to meeting some locals.

BJ
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2008, 02:25:25 PM
Speaking of awards here is a list of the finalists by region for the State Farm Coach's All-American team:

http://www.wbca.org/releases/DIIISFCAATFinalistsPR2008.htm

Also here is the list of the Regional Coaches of the Year:

NCAA Division III

Region Coach            Institution

1  Carla Berube     Tufts University
2  Lindsay Drury     William Smith College
3  Dawn Henderson   The College of New Jersey
4  Janice Luck               Albright College
5  Chris Kielsmeier    Howard Payne University
6  Michele Durand    Ohio Northern University
7  Mia Smith                Illinois Wesleyan University
8  Brian Niemuth     Simpson College
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2008, 02:44:04 PM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on March 11, 2008, 02:00:41 PM

You folks have been very accomodating to me on this posting up section...I am sure you will all show up in Blue and Red and cheer loud for us,  ;D.


You'll definitely see a lot of folks in navy blue but they'll be accompanied by some Old Gold :)  I'm sure you can expect some loud cheers for your team as well, but only if they happen to shoot an airball ;)  Judging by the shooting percentages of some of the players I'm sure we won't hear that chant much if any.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sac on March 11, 2008, 03:00:12 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 11, 2008, 11:20:44 AM
But the pictures of the Hope team show them in red uniforms.  You need to be careful...  :)

Adjust the monitor maybe ?????  ;)

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Fsports%2Fwbasketball%2F0708dWBBTeam500.JPG&hash=a988dc58ca1d1f0f2a91c2c9a9e4a2ffed9faa49)
The Dutch did not get the Dutchmen's Special set of 3 uniforms like the men, they only have 2 sets of uniforms.....White and Blue both with Orange trim.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 11, 2008, 03:01:41 PM
What a great honor for Tarra and McMurry!! I told you she was extra special.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Scratch on March 11, 2008, 03:16:47 PM
Quote from: fanstand on March 11, 2008, 03:01:41 PM
What a great honor for Tarra and McMurry!! I told you she was extra special.
She is hard to beat in any one area of the qualifications, let alone all three.  Another triple double.  Grats Tarra and McMurry!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 03:34:53 PM
Wow!!!

Just to be named a finalist is an accomplishment!

Congratulations, Tarra
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 11, 2008, 04:11:31 PM
Tara is a good player and deserves all the recognition she is getting very proud that she is an athlete from ASC.   Just gives our conference a little more credibility.  Tara along with Stacey Blaylock and Mia Daniels are nominated for the State Farm All American team!  Way to go girls.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 04:42:40 PM
Quote from: golfniz1 on March 11, 2008, 04:11:31 PM
Tarra is a good player and deserves all the recognition she is getting very proud that she is an athlete from ASC.   Just gives our conference a little more credibility.  Tara along with Stacey Blalock and Meia Daniels are nominated for the State Farm All American team!  Way to go girls.
State Farm All American team (http://www.wbca.org/releases/DIIISFCAATFinalistsPR2008.htm)

Thanks to dballa for the link.  All four ASC members are mentioned.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2008, 04:52:57 PM
And if you look at the other teams coming in this weekend we'll have 5 possible All-Americans playing Friday night in Brownwood.

I think this community will be treated to some very exciting basketball.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 11, 2008, 04:56:05 PM
Thanks for the info dballa you along with Ralph Turner give this site alot of credibility.  Thanks to both of you.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 11, 2008, 05:02:52 PM
Just to be able to watch 4 very good basketball teams is going to be awesome.  I believe both games will have alot of people watching them.  It will be worth the price of admission.  I do not know that much about DeSalles from what i have read they seem to be a guard oriented team that shoots from the outside alot.  Can somebody help me hear if you have more info?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2008, 05:22:27 PM
Burke has made 70 3's this year shooting over 42% behind the arc.  Rarich(sp?) doesn't shoot many but she does shoot them very well.  She's also  one of the best free throw shooters in DIII shooting over 90%.  She seems to be the type that likes to drive and get fouled because she's shot a lot of free throws.

Their posts aren't very tall.  They do have a 6'2" player but from what I've seen she hasn't played much at all this season.

I'm thinking this could be a game much like our games against Chapman but their guards won't be near as short.  HPU's guards will have to take care of the ball and the post players will need to use their height mismatch to win this game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2008, 05:29:52 PM
Those are All-American finalists for the WBCA, not the WBCA All-American team. The WBCA All-American team is announced at the Final Four.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 11, 2008, 05:45:19 PM
it's amazing that HPU actually spent money improving the gym!  good for them and good for HPU bball. ;D ;D ;D

that old basketball floor was incredibly old!!!  I don't know if anyone on here knows its history, but I heard Dallas Houston talk about it in a pre-game speech to the HPU girls team back in 2005.  He claimed that it was bought from an old NBA team when they were building a new floor, and that players like Wilt Chamberlin had played on that very court. :o  I've always thought that was pretty cool. 8)  It would be sweet if some had more info on this...though i admitt doing research on a basketball floor isn't that exciting to most. lol  :-\

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BBenthusiast on March 11, 2008, 06:09:23 PM
Rob, are you coming down for the big games?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 06:22:20 PM
Quote from: golfniz1 on March 11, 2008, 04:56:05 PM
Thanks for the info dballa you along with Ralph Turner give this site alot of credibility.  Thanks to both of you.
Thanks and my pleasure.

dballa has been the most consistent HPU poster, for what 6-7 years now?

We have a great conference.  We have good fans who enjoy their own teams and are respectful of the other teams in the conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 11, 2008, 07:02:50 PM
I think that on Friday night #40 and #22 for HPU are going to be the difference makers in this game.  When you have to try and control Daniels and Blaylock it leaves these two  to make plays and both of these players are very capable of that.  after hearing the stats on the guards for DeSales HPUs defense is going to have its hands full.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2008, 07:23:00 PM
Ralph actually it will be my 5th yr on here on March 16th.  If that's worth celebrating I hope I can celebrate it with the HPU women going to the Final Four :)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 07:28:16 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 11, 2008, 07:23:00 PM
Ralph actually it will be my 5th yr on here on March 16th.  If that's worth celebrating I hope I can celebrate it with the HPU women going to the Final Four :)
I do, too.

dballa has been the most likely person to chase down an HPU score from some far reaches in the ASC when no other website had them!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: berghoops on March 11, 2008, 08:30:43 PM
Pat, it's a little bit of both for the WBCA All-American Team.  10 of the 40 finalists(basically the 5 All-Region selections from each  of the 8 regions) are named "All-American, while the other 30 are automatically named Honorable Mention All-American behind the 10 announced at the D1 final four. 

Those 30 get certificates saying they are HM All-American Team.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 11, 2008, 08:41:33 PM
Quote from: Rob Don on March 11, 2008, 05:45:19 PM
it's amazing that HPU actually spent money improving the gym!  good for them and good for HPU bball. ;D ;D ;D

that old basketball floor was incredibly old!!!  I don't know if anyone on here knows its history, but I heard Dallas Houston talk about it in a pre-game speech to the HPU girls team back in 2005.  He claimed that it was bought from an old NBA team when they were building a new floor, and that players like Wilt Chamberlin had played on that very court. :o  I've always thought that was pretty cool. 8)  It would be sweet if some had more info on this...though i admitt doing research on a basketball floor isn't that exciting to most. lol  :-\


It was purchased from an ABA team in St. Louis.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 08:49:45 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 11, 2008, 08:41:33 PM
Quote from: Rob Don on March 11, 2008, 05:45:19 PM
it's amazing that HPU actually spent money improving the gym!  good for them and good for HPU bball. ;D ;D ;D

that old basketball floor was incredibly old!!!  I don't know if anyone on here knows its history, but I heard Dallas Houston talk about it in a pre-game speech to the HPU girls team back in 2005.  He claimed that it was bought from an old NBA team when they were building a new floor, and that players like Wilt Chamberlin had played on that very court. :o  I've always thought that was pretty cool. 8)  It would be sweet if some had more info on this...though i admitt doing research on a basketball floor isn't that exciting to most. lol  :-\
It was purchased from an ABA team in St. Louis.
Drum roll please...Spirits of St Louis (http://www.remembertheaba.com/Spirits-of-St-Louis.html)?

Actually I think that it was the NBA St Louis Hawks (http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nba/stlhawks/stlhawks.html) on their way to Atlanta, especially if Rick Akin played on the old court!  (Frightening thought...can you imagine Rick Akin wearing 1971 style basketball shorts?   :o ;)  ;D )

How about this 1949/50 picture of Red Auerbach (http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nba/tri/tricities.html)?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 11, 2008, 09:11:04 PM
I stand corrected.  I knew it was St. Louis, but didn't realize it was NBA.

Hope will be arriving in Brownwood tomorow.  Direct flight from Holland, MI to Brownwood, TX.  It must be nice. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on March 11, 2008, 10:26:32 PM
Everyone wore those shorts, Ralph--and yes they were short.  My recollection of the floor is also St. Louis and it was already I believe 10 years old when we got it in 1964.  No wonder it was more than worn out by 2007!

My correspondence with the DeSales SID on here to try to get him some golf in at Brownwood CC  (which I believe I succeeded in!!) tells me they are coming in Wednesday also.  His tee time is Thursday morning.  Are all 3 teams flying direct to Brownwood?  I  did not even know that was possible!

I am pretty sure HPU flew DFW to Minneapolis last year and bussed 2-3 hours to Decorah, IA to play at Luther.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jacket16 on March 11, 2008, 10:52:09 PM
Quote from: Rob Don on March 11, 2008, 05:45:19 PM
it's amazing that HPU actually spent money improving the gym!  good for them and good for HPU bball. ;D ;D ;D

that old basketball floor was incredibly old!!!  I don't know if anyone on here knows its history, but I heard Dallas Houston talk about it in a pre-game speech to the HPU girls team back in 2005.  He claimed that it was bought from an old NBA team when they were building a new floor, and that players like Wilt Chamberlin had played on that very court. :o  I've always thought that was pretty cool. 8)  It would be sweet if some had more info on this...though i admitt doing research on a basketball floor isn't that exciting to most. lol  :-\



I have been reading up on here and I will be honest I am a support of HPU but enough on that.  With the court we used to have I don't know much at all about it, however our new court is simply awesome in both looks and playing on it from what players and even refs have said. Our new court is actually the court that UNC and Georgetown played the East Rutherford Region last year of the NCAA D1 Men's tourny last year so it as well has historical signifigance. Just thought yall would like to know this tidbit of information.

Another great option for a resturant in the Brownwood area is located in Santa Anna, TX and is right on the main street and its called Noreta's. GREAT GREAT steaks and fairly cheap for the ammount and qualtiy of the food. All you can eat soup salad and bread if I am not mistaken and the steaks like I said are very good.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 11, 2008, 10:59:54 PM
Quote from: Rick Akins on March 11, 2008, 10:26:32 PM
Everyone wore those shorts, Ralph--and yes they were short.  My recollection of the floor is also St. Louis and it was already I believe 10 years old when we got it in 1964.  No wonder it was more than worn out by 2007!

My correspondence with the DeSales SID on here to try to get him some golf in at Brownwood CC  (which I believe I succeeded in!!) tells me they are coming in Wednesday also.  His tee time is Thursday morning.  Are all 3 teams flying direct to Brownwood?  I  did not even know that was possible!

I am pretty sure HPU flew DFW to Minneapolis last year and bussed 2-3 hours to Decorah, IA to play at Luther.
GFU and Desales are flying into DFW and driving to Brownwood tomorrow.
In 1984, HPU football flew non stop from Brownwood to Spokane, Wash to play Eastern Washington. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 11:20:51 PM
Quote from: Rick Akins on March 11, 2008, 10:26:32 PM
Everyone wore those shorts, Ralph--and yes they were short. 

Yes, I know.  My thighs are permanently depicted in my high school annual in my track singlets.

My correspondence with the DeSales SID on here to try to get him some golf in at Brownwood CC  (which I believe I succeeded in!!) tells me they are coming in Wednesday also.  His tee time is Thursday morning.

+1 for being such an accommodating host!  He is a winter-beleaguered golfer. He will be glad to play anywhere.


Are all 3 teams flying direct to Brownwood?  I  did not even know that was possible!

The Brownwood airport handles executive jets and the new shuttles.
By the way, is HPU considering adding men's and women's golf to their offerings?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: jacket16 on March 11, 2008, 10:52:09 PM
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Another great option for a resturant in the Brownwood area is located in Santa Anna, TX and is right on the main street and its called Noreta's. GREAT GREAT steaks and fairly cheap for the ammount and qualtiy of the food. All you can eat soup salad and bread if I am not mistaken and the steaks like I said are very good.
Will Noreta's be open at 5pm on Saturday for supper before the game?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 11, 2008, 11:33:38 PM
Much thanks to Rick for helping me get a round of golf in...I am looking forward to it.

DeSales is flying into DFW and then chartering a bus to Brownwood from the Dallas airport.

I heard Hope was chartering a plane to Brownwood direct (this has to be a Division III first).  I guess you can do that when you are ranked #1 in the country.  Good for them.

I'll be in town tomorrow with the Bulldogs by my side (assuming safe travel).  Looking forward to meeting some people in the next few days.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WWWRHH on March 11, 2008, 11:44:30 PM
Not trying to create controversy, but Travelocity says it is about 130 miles between the Dallas and Brownwood airports.  That is just a few minutes flying time so perhaps someone just asked the right questions.

It could also have something to do with total distance.  As I recall, in 2006 Hope flew to Springfield, MA in a smaller turboprop.  Perhaps this type of plane is suitable for the shorter distance from Holland to TX vs the longer flights of the other opponents.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jacket16 on March 11, 2008, 11:46:26 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: jacket16 on March 11, 2008, 10:52:09 PM
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Another great option for a resturant in the Brownwood area is located in Santa Anna, TX and is right on the main street and its called Noreta's. GREAT GREAT steaks and fairly cheap for the ammount and qualtiy of the food. All you can eat soup salad and bread if I am not mistaken and the steaks like I said are very good.
Will Noreta's be open at 5pm on Saturday for supper before the game?

Actually Mr. Turner I do not know off the top of my head if they will be open at that time or not. I tried to look it up online but no luck there for me. Here is their number you can reach them at. I know they are not open until Wednesday during the week however. Hope this information helps.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jacket16 on March 11, 2008, 11:50:02 PM
Quote from: jacket16 on March 11, 2008, 11:46:26 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2008, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: jacket16 on March 11, 2008, 10:52:09 PM
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Another great option for a resturant in the Brownwood area is located in Santa Anna, TX and is right on the main street and its called Noreta's. GREAT GREAT steaks and fairly cheap for the ammount and qualtiy of the food. All you can eat soup salad and bread if I am not mistaken and the steaks like I said are very good.
Will Noreta's be open at 5pm on Saturday for supper before the game?

Actually Mr. Turner I do not know off the top of my head if they will be open at that time or not. I tried to look it up online but no luck there for me. Here is their number you can reach them at. I know they are not open until Wednesday during the week however. Hope this information helps.

So here is the number I forgot to put in for Noreta's (325) 348-3353 sorry.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2008, 12:26:55 AM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on March 11, 2008, 11:33:38 PM
I heard Hope was chartering a plane to Brownwood direct (this has to be a Division III first). 

It really isn't, sorry ...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 12, 2008, 01:11:33 AM
Good luck HPU from the left coast.  I give them great chance on Friday.  Saturday will be the test.  Playing at home is a great advantage.  Don't overlook the Friday game though.  The year HSU was undefeated they lost on Friday,  I always thought that they looked past Trinity who they had already beat.  The eastern teams are not going to be afraid of HPU.   After the last three years I hope they win,  it is their time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2008, 01:15:14 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2008, 12:26:55 AM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on March 11, 2008, 11:33:38 PM
I heard Hope was chartering a plane to Brownwood direct (this has to be a Division III first). 
It really isn't, sorry ...
The Flying Queens of Wayland Baptist University of Plainview TX may have greatest legacy of women's collegiate basketball in the country.  In the days of Women's AAU and AIAW, they were a force to be reckoned with.

Here is a recent NYTimes (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE2DE1F31F931A25750C0A963958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all) article.

Flying Queens head coach Harley Redin (http://www.unt.edu/northtexan/archives/p01/changingthegame.htm)

1958  Flying Queens (http://books.google.com/books?id=ZfS_3MUPBXoC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=flying+queens+wayland+baptist&source=web&ots=le6W4Ekmlt&sig=Ap7PhQ5O1FSqfusTHVtK-mmIyvA&hl=en#PPA96,M1)


Wayland Baptist University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_Baptist_University)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 12, 2008, 10:11:45 AM
Check out today's Brownwood Bulletin.  Just go to the sports section and you'll see a great story about the Lady Jackets giving back to the kids of the community.

www.brownwoodbulletin.com
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2008, 03:40:11 PM
For your consideration... (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4515.1380)

I have compared HPU versus HPU's best 18 opponents for the Hope fans.

I think that Hope is counting on their fundamentals to out-weigh any increased athleticism that we see in HPU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 12, 2008, 06:43:05 PM
Adding golf to their program would be a good thing its not like I am partial to golf ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hope81 on March 12, 2008, 08:24:17 PM

I heard Hope was chartering a plane to Brownwood direct (this has to be a Division III first).  I guess you can do that when you are ranked #1 in the country.  Good for them.

Greetings from the MIAA!  It should be an interesting weekend of basketball.  I think both teams better focus on Friday night before we get to see the big matchup.  Those upsets have a habit of coming out of nowhere.

Just to set the record straight.....the NCAA contracts with a travel company for all travel plans for the teams that need to fly.  This company was unable to book enough spots on a flight into DFW, so they arranged the charter.  Also the plane that Hope rode on was first used to get a men's team from Washington over here to Hope for the men's sectional.  Hope (or HPU in other years) has no control over travel arrangements other than buses since it is the NCAA's nickel
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 12, 2008, 08:55:50 PM
Quote from: golfniz1 on March 12, 2008, 06:43:05 PM
Adding golf to their program would be a good thing its not like I am partial to golf ;)


HPU use to have a golf program and actually had one of the best golfers in the nation when they were in NAIA.  Since HPU's budgets went downhill they couldn't afford to support a golf program and a golf coach.  At the end of the golf program the SID at the time was the golf coach (without extra pay). 

It would be nice to start the program up again and have HPU compete in another sport.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 12, 2008, 09:40:17 PM
daballa you play golf?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 12, 2008, 11:33:25 PM
Quote from: BBenthusiast on March 11, 2008, 06:09:23 PM
Rob, are you coming down for the big games?

Geez I wish!  HPU womens BBall consumed my life for 3 straight years  :o... and owned it my senior year!  So i've kept up with them really well.  But between full time work and full time school, i can't make the flight from 'Bama to Texas... besides if i come to texas and spend all that time in B-wood, my momma would KILL ME! :D HA HA

Thanks for the info on the court everyone.  The facts were foggy but I remember Dallas' pregame speech being extremely inspiring!   ;D

Its actually a sad year for me.  This is that last year where I personally know the players for HPU.  Meia and Stacey and Kim are good friends, and i'll be sad to no longer see their names on a box-score any longer. :(  Though i can still cheer for Coach K!!! LOL  ;D

But at least they get the chance to end with a BANG!  Good Luck this weekend girls!!! :)

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 13, 2008, 12:33:03 AM
golfniz1,

I do but never have time for it.  I get home around 6pm in the evenings and then it's family time, basketball or something else going on.


Off the subject, I think it's funny how those little karma points keep going away.  Either someone has no life to think that actually means something to me or I'm on an automatic timer that makes me lose them every now and then :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mjfasteenwolf on March 13, 2008, 11:47:28 AM
Just a question for those of you in the know, how is it possible that HPU has shot 400 more free throws than their opponents? Does that happen because of their style of play, or just because they are always getting fouled because they have the lead?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2008, 11:55:59 AM
Quote from: mjfasteenwolf on March 13, 2008, 11:47:28 AM
Just a question for those of you in the know, how is it possible that HPU has shot 400 more free throws than their opponents? Does that happen because of their style of play, or just because they are always getting fouled because they have the lead?
Both and the opponents drew fewer fouls.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BBenthusiast on March 13, 2008, 12:10:14 PM
Quote from: mjfasteenwolf on March 13, 2008, 11:47:28 AM
Just a question for those of you in the know, how is it possible that HPU has shot 400 more free throws than their opponents? Does that happen because of their style of play, or just because they are always getting fouled because they have the lead?
Quote in the Abilene Reporter News, March 8, 2008, McM Head Coach.  "They got to the line so much because they put their head down and go to the hole." Snow said of HPU.  "They dare you to stop them."
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: berley on March 13, 2008, 10:57:41 PM
All 3 visiting teams got their first look at each other tonight at Underwood's BBQ.  Interesting night.  McMurry baseball team was there too.  I think Hope came through first.  Followed immediately by George Fox.  DeSales came in a few minutes later.  All the girls seemed quite happy and I think they all enjoyed their BBQ experience judging by the sound levels.   Hope College certainly looked the most impressive.  The Snikkers girl really stood out.  Tall and certainly not frail.  How again did she not go D1?  Also got a chance to speak to the Rarick girl form DeSales.  She's the one who shoots 93% from the line.  They let her be first in the food line too!

George Fox is the smallest of the 3.  They'd better be awesome from behind the arc on Friday.  DeSales looked like a determined bunch.  HPU had better be ready for a fight on Friday. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 13, 2008, 11:10:56 PM
You do not worry about our girls they are ready, they play 1 game at a time and do not look ahead.That is why they are where they are 1 game at a time DeSales is the one that better be ready, focus is the name of the game. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: oldknight on March 13, 2008, 11:11:41 PM
Quote from: berley on March 13, 2008, 10:57:41 PM


All  Hope College certainly looked the most impressive.  The Snikkers girl really stood out.  Tall and certainly not frail.  How again did she not go D1? 

 

Snikkers was the number one recruit at D1 Oakland University, spent two days on campus at the start of the school year, and realized she was totally unhappy with her decision. She's the type of person who doesn't need the overrated adulation that comes with being a scholarship athlete and bolted back home. Her home is equidistant from Hope and Calvin and--to my great distress--decided Hope was the place for her. Last season she led her high school to the state championship, was named Michigan's Class B Player of the Year and finished a close second in the Miss Basketball voting. She is outrageously talented for D3 and when she enters games she often changes the dynamics, sometimes more often on the defensive than the offensive end. She has a great feel for the game and when she decides she wants to be a difference maker during a game there is no one at the D3 level that can challenge her.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2008, 11:13:31 PM
Quote from: berley on March 13, 2008, 10:57:41 PM
All 3 visiting teams got their first look at each other tonight at Underwood's BBQ.  Interesting night.  McMurry baseball team was there too.  I think Hope came through first.  Followed immediately by George Fox.  DeSales came in a few minutes later.  All the girls seemed quite happy and I think they all enjoyed their BBQ experience judging by the sound levels.   Hope College certainly looked the most impressive.  The Snikkers girl really stood out.  Tall and certainly not frail.  How again did she not go D1?  Also got a chance to speak to the Rarick girl form DeSales.  She's the one who shoots 93% from the line.  They let her be first in the food line too!

George Fox is the smallest of the 3.  They'd better be awesome from behind the arc on Friday.  DeSales looked like a determined bunch.  HPU had better be ready for a fight on Friday. 
Please remember that the Northwest Conference champ has been a formidable opponent in these playoffs.  They play fundamentally sound ball.  HPU only had one fast-break bucket in the 2007 Sweet 16 versus Puget Sound.  Hardin-Simmons edged Pacific Lutheran in the 2006 Sweet 16 in OT.  George Fox lost to Randolph-Macon in the Elite 8 in 2005. Puget Sound lost in the Elite 8 in 2004 to national champion Wilmington, the same year that HSU lost to UW-SP in the Elite 8.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 13, 2008, 11:20:06 PM
daballa do not worry about the karma you know you got it  it is is amazing what determines the karma.If you got a good take you can't worry about it .keep plugging along more than likely it is because you are an HPU fan and you know how people do not like the JACKETS karma oh well  such as life may be.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 13, 2008, 11:31:49 PM
oldknight if no one can challenge her why is she playing D3.  Sounds to me that she ought to be at least D2 or even D1. Sounds to me that she was afraid to step and play with the big girls. I wished that my daughter would have been given that chance I promise you she would have taken advantage of it.  Go HPU
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 13, 2008, 11:43:31 PM
Everyone has issues at 1 point and time in their lives I know my daughter did, but she sacked up and stuck it out and it worked out , so go another avenue.  I think they call those excuses.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2008, 12:26:48 AM
New TLU Coach (http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=2257)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2008, 12:40:42 AM
Quote from: oldknight on March 13, 2008, 11:11:41 PM
Quote from: berley on March 13, 2008, 10:57:41 PM
All  Hope College certainly looked the most impressive.  The Snikkers girl really stood out.  Tall and certainly not frail.  How again did she not go D1?   
Snikkers was the number one recruit at D1 Oakland University, spent two days on campus at the start of the school year, and realized she was totally unhappy with her decision. She's the type of person who doesn't need the overrated adulation that comes with being a scholarship athlete and bolted back home. Her home is equidistant from Hope and Calvin and--to my great distress--decided Hope was the place for her. Last season she led her high school to the state championship, was named Michigan's Class B Player of the Year and finished a close second in the Miss Basketball voting. She is outrageously talented for D3 and when she enters games she often changes the dynamics, sometimes more often on the defensive than the offensive end. She has a great feel for the game and when she decides she wants to be a difference maker during a game there is no one at the D3 level that can challenge her.
Quote from: golfniz1 on March 13, 2008, 11:31:49 PM
oldknight if no one can challenge her why is she playing D3.  Sounds to me that she ought to be at least D2 or even D1. Sounds to me that she was afraid to step and play with the big girls. I wished that my daughter would have been given that chance I promise you she would have taken advantage of it.  Go HPU
Respectfully, I have a different idea.

My thought is, why does everyone have to play D-1?  We have plenty of women (and guys to some degree) who want to play for fun and go to school, and not to boost the ego of some D-1 coach!  That may not necessarily be the case at Oakland.

However, do you Oakland fans in Rochester, Michigan, really look forward to those conference road trips to Centenary LA or Oral Roberts or Southern Utah?  You can't get to there from Rochester MI!

Tarra Richardson is more likely to have success with her 3.9 GPA in finance than her D-3 2000pts/1000 rebs/300 blocks.

Did I read that Meia Daniels wants to go to Law School?

I see so much good in this purest form and highest degree of amateur athletics in the country.  At this level, there are very few student-athletes whose company most of us do not enjoy!  Can we honestly say that about the D-1 players that we frequently see?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sac on March 14, 2008, 02:40:42 AM
Best of luck to all 4 teams tonight in Brownwood.  May it live up to the the hype and everyone have an enjoyable evening watching Division 3 basketball.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Hwbb on March 14, 2008, 08:25:09 AM
Quote from: golfniz1 on March 13, 2008, 11:43:31 PM
Everyone has issues at 1 point and time in their lives I know my daughter did, but she sacked up and stuck it out and it worked out , so go another avenue.  I think they call those excuses.

And I think they call people who believe they can see into other people's heads and ascertain (and evaluate) their motives and values, arrogant.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 14, 2008, 09:08:18 AM
It's finally game day.  It's going to be an electric atmosphere the next two nights. 

Good luck to all the teams this weekend.  I'm looking forward to some exciting basketball.


STING 'EM JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: berghoops on March 14, 2008, 01:02:18 PM
You know, for some kids, as crazy as it sounds, it's about picking a college not a basketball program !!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 14, 2008, 04:20:24 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 13, 2008, 12:33:03 AM
golfniz1,

I do but never have time for it.  I get home around 6pm in the evenings and then it's family time, basketball or something else going on.


Off the subject, I think it's funny how those little karma points keep going away.  Either someone has no life to think that actually means something to me or I'm on an automatic timer that makes me lose them every now and then :)

Dballa, I really tried at one point to "earn" karma points by posting the most positive, affirming, cheerleader-type posts I could.  My ranking did not grow one bit!  I may have earned a reputation that was just too difficult to overcome.  I don't know!  The kindler, gentler In the Paint hasn't earned any increase in the karma points, for sure, and it's not as much fun!    :o   

I think there may be some truth to the "HPU" thing; because you are a Jacket-backer you just get slammed.  A few years ago when HSU was where HPU is these days it seemed like folks were gunning for anyone who was a Cowgirls fan.

As someone else posted, who cares?  Just remember, it's lonely at the top and folks are always trying to knock you down.  One day McM will be back on top and even Turner's karma will get ripped!     ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: oldknight on March 14, 2008, 04:44:06 PM
Quote from: golfniz1 on March 13, 2008, 11:31:49 PM
oldknight if no one can challenge her why is she playing D3.  Sounds to me that she ought to be at least D2 or even D1. Sounds to me that she was afraid to step and play with the big girls. I wished that my daughter would have been given that chance I promise you she would have taken advantage of it.  Go HPU

Ralph Turner gave a good summary in answer to your question. Not that my opinion counts, I thought she should have gone to D2 Grand Valley State University. Its campus is located less than 5 miles from her home, its a good school, and its women's team has had some success having won the D2 national championship as recently as 2006. Obviously she thought otherwise and I'm not going to second guess her decision.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 14, 2008, 07:30:08 PM
Hey, I gave dballa a karma point for the toilet paper pic!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 14, 2008, 07:40:45 PM
Quote from: berghoops on March 14, 2008, 01:02:18 PM
You know, for some kids, as crazy as it sounds, it's about picking a college not a basketball program !!!

unless they are being recruited to play basketball!?!  :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 14, 2008, 07:46:15 PM

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
GO HOWARD  PAYNE!!!
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 14, 2008, 07:49:05 PM
Quote from: Rob Don on March 14, 2008, 07:46:15 PM

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
GO HOWARD  PAYNE!!!
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)


  (Charlie Daniels' 'The South's Gonna Do It Again' playing in background!) :) ;) :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 14, 2008, 08:18:17 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on March 14, 2008, 07:49:05 PM
Quote from: Rob Don on March 14, 2008, 07:46:15 PM

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
GO HOWARD  PAYNE!!!
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)


  (Charlie Daniels' 'The South's Gonna Do It Again' playing in background!) :) ;) :D

ha ha!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 14, 2008, 08:30:04 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 14, 2008, 07:30:08 PM
Hey, I gave dballa a karma point for the toilet paper pic!

Me too!  Priceless! 

HPU Jackets all the way, baby! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2008, 09:02:51 PM
The Hope College women's coach said that George Fox was one of the best coached teams that he had seen in 12 years of D-III ball.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 80sshorts on March 14, 2008, 09:39:37 PM
What a compliment.  Coach Rueck is one of the top coaches in D-3 (my bias notwithstanding) Also a classy and humble individual, a person that his players really respect.  GFU really gave Hope a run for their money today, and if not for their lack of offense today, they may be the ones facing off agasint HPU tomorrow
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 14, 2008, 10:14:15 PM
GFU has a great team.  They just missed too many close shots.  HPU vs Hope is going to be interesting.  HPU hasn't played a team as big and deep as Hope.  I think HPU has more quickness.  The key to the game will be rebounding.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: berley on March 14, 2008, 11:37:18 PM
GFU did put up a great fight.  Looked like nerves rattled both those teams in the 2nd half.  GFU missed 3 point blank layups that would have changed the game.  GFU point guard had a great game (Four 3 pointers and heady ball control).  Phillana and Snikkers came through when Hope needed them. 

HPU took better advantage of the height mismatch and this game was never really in doubt.  Rarick and Burke are great shooters for DS, but HPU rarely gave them an open look. 

Phillana may give Meia fits tomorrow as she played great defense tonight. 

Without (#5 Koepke?) coming off the bench to disrupt things, it seems that Hope is still adapting to changing roles.  I assume that Koepke was the girl on crutches tonight.   I get the feeling that the Brownwood fans that came early didn't see the real Lady Dutch tonight. 


HPU, on the other hand seems to be healthy and has everyone understanding their roles.  A coach knows how important it is to have a player already know she's fixing to go in even before the coach looks her way. 

#1 vs. #2 .  Both teams are final 4 worthy.  We can complain all we want about the brackets, but you play em' as they come.  Please don't let it come down to a questionable official's call.  Finish it
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: House on March 15, 2008, 12:19:03 AM
Great posts berley! Thanks and keep it coming.

Any other views on how the games went and how the matchup looks for would be welcome.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 15, 2008, 02:01:23 AM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 14, 2008, 08:30:04 PM
HPU Jackets all the way, baby! 

i just wanted to quote that.  ;D

I got to listen to the games online tonight.  HPU sounded like they had an impressive second half.  Coach K resting his starters was a great move.  He hasn't always had a deep enough bench to do that, even with a good lead in the game.  I'm curious to see what HPU will do to adjust to HOPE's height.  To see if they keep going to the basket or they settle for jump shots...personally, I say take it to the hole!!!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sac on March 15, 2008, 02:23:49 AM
Quote from: berley on March 14, 2008, 11:37:18 PM
Without (#5 Koepke?) coming off the bench to disrupt things, it seems that Hope is still adapting to changing roles.  I assume that Koepke was the girl on crutches tonight.   

Correct.

Kopke hurt her knee in practice last Wednesday, so Hope has had only about 4 practices and 3 games to figure things out during the worst possible time of the year.  She provides quickness and tough defense on the other teams point guard along with good ball handling.  She and Green formed a pretty tenacious duo on defense.

For certain Hope misses her.

Excruciating to watch another game while watching the live scoreboard at the men's game in Holland tonight.  Saturday night we get to do it while both teams are playing. :-\

Good luck to both teams, its the matchup everyone wanted.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 15, 2008, 03:20:41 AM
Before I turn in for the evening...I wanted to send a congratulatory message to Howard Payne University for their win this evening.  They are an extraordinary team.  Best we have played this year.

I have seen a lot of basketball in my time.  I work Division I women's games back home in the Philadelphia area and have seen teams like Drexel, Villanova, LaSalle, Penn and Temple play quite a bit and I can honestly say that if Meia Daniels and Stacey Blalock were East Coast girls, they'd probably be in a Division I uniform.  They are very, very good players and at this level are dominant.

I also wanted to thank anyone and everyone for their hospitality this week.  I got to play golf and meet three very nice people (Will Carrier, Norman Tinkler and the head men's basketbal coach at HPU).  They treated me to a round of golf and to lunch and on Friday morning Will even bought me breakfast after we ran into each other at Studebakers (sp?).

I also want to thank Rick Akins for setting most of this up and I want to apologize to him.  He hunted me down after the game to shake my hand and say hello and I was slightly busy at the moment getting my coach into the media room and was unable to really talk to him.  So Rick thanks for setting everything and I apologize for not getting to talk to you more.

There were many, many other folks who were above and beyond nice to both myself and our team out here.  I could go on for hours to name them.  Trust me when I say we enjoyed our stay in Brownwood (despite the loss) and were treated more than fairly all over town.

Good Luck to HPU for the remainder of the tournament.  We will be rooting for you.  Its always nice to say you lost to the National Champions.  So "Finish It"

BJ
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 15, 2008, 09:52:38 AM
Gracious comments BJ!

I am glad that you enjoyed west Texas hospitality. You may be gone this evening, but I hope to meet you.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 15, 2008, 11:37:46 AM
In a few hours it will be crunch time.  The D3hoops commentator last night speculated that most teams never play in a venue where the court is surrounded by spectators; they're used to bleachers on two sides and walls on the others -- not to mention the open space in Brownwood underneath the seating areas.  That means that "home court" for HPU means not only home court but unique architecture.  On the other hand, HPU may lose two advantages it had against most other teams it played this season.  One is the height advantage: half the Hope roster is over 6 feet tall.  And the other is being ahead and simply having to maintain a lead (against a smaller opponent).  I think the only time HPU was behind for any length of time this season and had to pull it out was against McM at McM.  If they get behind against a big team like Hope and have to turn it around, it could be a situation they haven't had to deal with before.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on March 15, 2008, 12:04:19 PM
Don't worry about it, B.J.  Bad timing on my part to try to talk to you then. I guess I was too psyched or maybe nervous before the game to find you, plus I knew you were busy then too.

I am glad you enjoyed your time in Texas, except for the game of course.  I thanked Norman this morning for taking care of you for me! Of course, I am thrilled how our HPU girls played, especially in the second half.

Today will be amazing and exciting!! I agree with your analysis, berley--and especially your plea--don't let this come down to some goofy call by an official.

As far as my take on the game--Hope will need to play better offensively, but maybe some of their struggles
last night had to do with playing the #1 defense (by points allowed) in D3.  I thought Hope's defense was also outstanding, especially in the halfcourt.  GFU had real trouble getting a lot of good looks.

As far as my HPU Lady Jackets, handling the pressure defense of Hope, and not just in the back court but even in the half court, along with strong rebounding against all those big girls Hope has, will be huge.  Also, it will be nice to have a nice shooting %--2's, 3's and FT's!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Scratch on March 15, 2008, 01:43:55 PM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on March 15, 2008, 03:20:41 AM
Good Luck to HPU for the remainder of the tournament.  We will be rooting for you.  Its always nice to say you lost to the National Champions.  So "Finish It"
BJ,  I introduced myself to you 3 times last night only to find out each time that it wasn't you.  I did get to meet some of the DeSales folks though.  You have a good group there.  I also finally narrow you down to "that guy in the navy shirt."  I guess you don't look like I have you pictured in my head.  I'm glad you enjoyed the southern hospitality. 

"Finish it" would be a great slogan to put on a t-shirt.  Oh wait someone already did that.  Hope Hohertz's sister designed and passed those out at the ASC championship game in Tyler.  When I corresponded with you, I thought about telling you to look me up "I will be the guy in the 'Finish It' shirt."   Of course that would be me and 400 of my closest friends.   :-[
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: realist on March 15, 2008, 03:11:20 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 15, 2008, 11:37:46 AM
In a few hours it will be crunch time.  The D3hoops commentator last night speculated that most teams never play in a venue where the court is surrounded by spectators; they're used to bleachers on two sides and walls on the others -- not to mention the open space in Brownwood underneath the seating areas.  That means that "home court" for HPU means not only home court but unique architecture.  On the other hand, HPU may lose two advantages it had against most other teams it played this season.  One is the height advantage: half the Hope roster is over 6 feet tall.  And the other is being ahead and simply having to maintain a lead (against a smaller opponent).  I think the only time HPU was behind for any length of time this season and had to pull it out was against McM at McM.  If they get behind against a big team like Hope and have to turn it around, it could be a situation they haven't had to deal with before.



I enjoyed reading your comments on the home court,  It definitely is an advantage to play at home.
I looked at the stats, and scores from the HPU games, and it does seem they dominated most teams.  Hope had a nice margin on most teams, but had several games during the year when they had to come back from being down.  Hope is a very patient team, and their size can just wear most other teams down.  It should be a great game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 15, 2008, 03:31:48 PM
Rebounding will be the key to the game.  Kim Hoffman will have to have one of her better games.  HPU will have to drive to the goal more tonight than they did last night, and try and get Hope into foul trouble.  But that depends on how the refs call the game.  I thought they let a lot of fouls go uncalled in the Hope/GF game.   How does a girl 6' 3" (Snikkers) get so many of her shots blocked?  Was it just GFU's defense, or does it normally happen to her.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: oldknight on March 15, 2008, 04:53:32 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 15, 2008, 03:31:48 PM
Rebounding will be the key to the game.  Kim Hoffman will have to have one of her better games.  HPU will have to drive to the goal more tonight than they did last night, and try and get Hope into foul trouble.  But that depends on how the refs call the game.  I thought they let a lot of fouls go uncalled in the Hope/GF game.   How does a girl 6' 3" (Snikkers) get so many of her shots blocked?  Was it just GFU's defense, or does it normally happen to her.

Not having been at the game it's hard to answer your question but I will tell you it is atypical for her to have her shot blocked often. The only time I have ever seen her struggle to get her shot off was in last year's Michigan high school state tournament semifinal game when she had several blocked or altered in the first quarter. But in that game she was being defended by a 6'6" girl who will definately be playing D1 ball in a couple of years so that was understandable. Snikkers eventually adjusted by taking her defender outside thereby leading her team to victory. If GFU was causing Snikkers problems and blocking her shot I would have to credit that to good defense.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 15, 2008, 05:41:54 PM
Does anybody know why there is not a prayer before the games? We always have a prayer before home games here at HPU.  Is there some kind of NCAA tournament rule not allowing it?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WWWRHH on March 15, 2008, 05:47:18 PM
Hope prays as a team after games  - usually before leaving the court.

I am sure the Dutch would have no objections.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fannie on March 15, 2008, 06:00:17 PM
Does anyone know of any TV coverage of this game (HPU vs. HOPE)?  Thought I had heard on the radio last night that they were calling "tv time-outs", or maybe it was media time out???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 15, 2008, 07:34:50 PM
Quote from: fannie on March 15, 2008, 06:00:17 PM
Does anyone know of any TV coverage of this game (HPU vs. HOPE)?  Thought I had heard on the radio last night that they were calling "tv time-outs", or maybe it was media time out???

i highly doubt it.  though i wish there was a visual broadcast of some kind...i watch UT Tylers video feed they had set up for the conf. tourney, that was cool... though it wasn't very quality.

I'd love to see HPU implement a video feed for next years games!!! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 15, 2008, 09:46:00 PM
HPU LADY JACKETS HEADED TO THE FINAL FOUR

What a game, I listened on the radio and was shaking towards the end of the game. 37 points by Meia Daniels, what a performance. Great season by Hope, defintely a great game. Congrats to the Lady Jackets, on to Hope. (Edited for supersition)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 15, 2008, 09:50:57 PM
Congrats to HPU!

:-X :-X :-X :-X

(This poster doesn't want to jinx them!  :D :D :D)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 15, 2008, 10:19:26 PM
Quote from: Rob Don on March 15, 2008, 02:01:23 AM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 14, 2008, 08:30:04 PM
HPU Jackets all the way, baby! 

i just wanted to quote that.  ;D

+1 to the Karma, Rob, just for quoting me!   :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 15, 2008, 11:18:18 PM
ha ha thanks paint!

GREAT JOB JACKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :) :) :)

Interesting night of bball... DePauw lost to UW-Whitewater (that hurts my bracket  :-\)
And Oglethorpe beat Kean (i actually picked Oglethorpe to be in the final four! so that breaks me even  ;D)

Any predictions anyone...i've got Messiah and HPU playing in the Championship...so far so good. 

THe HPU n Hope game was a pretty low percentage game, neither team shot 40% from the field or from the 3pt line.  and HPU got out rebounded by TWENTY! Hope had 22 Offensive rebounds, geez!  That right there shows how hard Howard Payne had to play in order to win tonight.  Good Job ladies.  It looks like going hard to the basket worked well; because in a game one by four points...taking 18 Freethrows was a major difference maker!

I tell ya what...if i know Coach K like i think i do (and i do ;D) he is going to be talking about rebounding all week long! ha ha ha 

GOOD LUCK JACKETS!!!  Finish It!!!  94/40

On a side note:  Did anyone look at the Boxscore for the DePauw n Whitewater game?  Depauw shot 11 for 15 from downtown!!! over 70% and 49% from the field...and lost!  thats just crazy, plus that had less turn overs and twice as many steals...wow only in basketball!  Again the big diff was in the free throws!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 15, 2008, 11:29:13 PM
How many ASC teams have made it to the Final Four in years past?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on March 15, 2008, 11:39:35 PM
The HSU Cowgirls made it in the 2005-06 season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 15, 2008, 11:44:42 PM
What a great day to be a Lady Jacket fan, HPU alumni and Brownwood citizen.  WAY TO GO LADIES!!

The crowd was rocking and as it was the past couple of games the wave was looking good.

Hope has a hell of a team.  They came in showing a lot of confidence and definitely are an amazing bunch of players.  The outcome of this game if played at Hope or on a neutral floor could have definitely gone the other way.

Meia Daniels played out of this league tonight on offense but we can't forget how great the ladies played on defense.  Boles hit some big 3's for Hope but HPU's defense played great on the inside. 

Like Rob Don said Coach K will definitely be stressing rebounding all week long. 

Time to take the show on the road and show some more people what HPU basketball is all about.  "DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS!!"
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 15, 2008, 11:47:02 PM
Also tonight I had the pleasure of meeting David Collinge, Gordon Mann and Ralph Turner.  It's always nice to meet people you talk to on here and put a face with the words.  I know Ralph and I have some words on here when it comes to HPU/McM but it was a pleasure meeting, even if he was wearing maroon and white ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 16, 2008, 12:47:16 AM
The game was definitely worth the drive to and from Abilene.  Meia was phenomenal, got more than half of all the HPU baskets.  I'd say HPU had trouble getting into their game the first half; they jumped ahead at the start and then had their lead slowly whittled down until it was tied 20-20 at the half.  Hope had momentum on their side at that point and HPU looked a bit tired and frustrated.  But they turned it around in the second half, getting the fouls that got them the free throws to make the difference in the final game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 16, 2008, 04:46:19 AM
I just got back home.  It was a good night!

Good to see you and your family, McMfan.

Thanks to Rick Akins!  A great treat.

It was good to meet Gordon Mann, David Collinge and Adam Choate!

dballa, congratulations!  This one was big!

I heard the attendance was 2777.  If the balcony seats 2900 with modifications for the scoreboards, I thought that the floor seating, pep band, benches and scoring and officials tables counter-balanced the scattered vacancies in the balcony to give you roughly 3000 fans.  It was a great environment.  I think that Hope is among the small handful of the 430 D-III women's teams that could handle the crowd.  After the initial minutes, it must have just sounded like another Hope-Calvin game from the Calvin end of the gym.

Coach Kielsmeir!  Good job, and it was nice to meet your delightful parents.  They beamed with pride tonight!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 16, 2008, 04:53:30 AM
Having talked to some fans from around the country, I am coming to the impression that the ASC has "battled tested" HPU as few other conferences would have.

We have several challenging venues which draw good crowds for the women.  UMHB is getting better and the CRU have responded.  Of course HSU and McM have been really tough games and venues.  CUA puts up a challenge for a #5 in the West.  Mississippi College is always hard on the road and UT-Tyler is getting that way.  I think that very few women's teams in D3 have to face the gauntlet of games that we have in the ASC-West.  The final score may be 20-point  margins, but getting to the victory took outstanding effort, such that at the end of the game, you knew that you had worked hard.  Last week in the second round game versus McMurry, the final HPU margin was 12 points, but McMurry had climbed back to within 6 with 5 minutes to go.  It took 3 Meia Daniels 3FG's to put it away.

I think that that tenacity helped to prepare the Lady Jackets, and the ASC is building its reputation.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 16, 2008, 09:40:10 AM
I just looked at the box score of the UW Whitewater / Depaw game.  UWW (with an enrollment of 10,000+ ) hosted this game with a crowd of 452.  I can understand spring break lowering the attendance, but this is unbelievable.  When I see things like this, I'm so thankful we have the support we do here at HPU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 16, 2008, 10:02:30 AM
Of course, it apparently didn't hurt for HPU to keep the dorms open an extra two days before spring break!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 16, 2008, 12:29:20 PM
Great day for HPU athletics but a sad day for the ASC.  The first ASC Commissioner Fred Jacoby past away yesterday.  He did a lot for this conference.

http://www.ascsports.org/
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 16, 2008, 05:57:59 PM
Congratulations to HPU, who played a fine couple of games to defeat two good opponents and earn their way to the Final Four.  Congratulations also to the players, coaches, and fans of Hope, DeSales, and George Fox, all of whom represented their schools quite well.

It was a great event, and I'm glad I made the trip.  It was nice to meet so many folks and attach faces to names, including Gordon Mann, Ralph Turner, dballa, mcmfan & family, and Rick Akins (and I hope I haven't missed anyone!) 

Good luck to the Lady Jackets as they buzz around the tulips of Holland this weekend!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 16, 2008, 08:49:10 PM
HPU played a hard game against a very good Hope basketball team.  I thank that was the  best front line game that our girls played to date. Granite we got out rebounded but they played tough and dished what was given to them.  Hey mcmfan why cant you give our girls some props I read your post on Hopes site I cant believe you cant give the foul calling a rest.  Our girls played hard last night and very much deserved to win the game they made plays when they needed to make them and Hope did not they had their chances just as we did.  So please just show us some support, our conference needs the exposure in these NCAA playoffs so our conference can get get  the respect it deserves.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 16, 2008, 09:56:49 PM
What I was trying to do in those posts, golfniz1, was to correct the notion that Hope somehow got a raw deal at the Coliseum because of the disparity in the foul calls.  If you read the Hope write-up on their webpage at http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/wbb/, you'll notice they go into great detail about the fouls, though they admit that they had "no answer" for Meia.  My point was that if you get the same disparities at all the places HPU played this season, and not just the Coliseum, you can't imply that they got favored treatment last night from the refs. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: voice on March 16, 2008, 11:01:12 PM
From the sound of it, Whitewater won't be nearly as tough as Hope was for HPU
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 16, 2008, 11:33:32 PM
Maybe I stand to be corrected, but it seems like anytime you make a post when it comes to the HPU girls their is always some form of negativity towards them.  Why? I do not see  it when it comes to anyone else.  Is it because we beat Mc ?  You can go back on my posts and I never say anything bad about McMurry and praised Tara for accomplishments.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 16, 2008, 11:38:36 PM
As I said before, you should reread what I have posted.   Suffice it to say that I was at the game Saturday wearing blue and yellow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 16, 2008, 11:38:54 PM
Quote from: voice on March 16, 2008, 11:01:12 PM
From the sound of it, Whitewater won't be nearly as tough as Hope was for HPU
UWW 2008 season record (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/UWW/womens/2008)

Analyzing the UWW regular season schedule shows that the Warhawks has this regular season record versus 2008 Playoff teams.


Nov. 17    4:00 PM    Maryville (Mo.) @ Millikin •    W, 93-74    
      
Nov. 28    7:00 PM    at Chicago •    W, 62-53    
      
Dec. 1    3:00 PM    UW-Stevens Point * •    W, 75-71    

Dec. 30    4:00 PM    at Mary Washington @ Irvine, Calif.    W, 70-67    
      
Jan. 12    3:00 PM    at UW-Eau Claire * •    L, 63-60    
      
Feb. 2    3:00 PM    UW-Eau Claire * •    W, 60-50    
            
Feb. 16    3:00 PM    at UW-Stevens Point * •    L, 64-62    
      
Feb. 28    7:00 PM    UW-Stevens Point •    L, 79-71    

That is an excellent record versus tournament teams.

By contrast, HPU was only able to schedule 4 games versus playoff teams (as hard as Coach Kielsmeir tried).
      

   
      
   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2008, 11:59:03 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 16, 2008, 05:57:59 PM
Congratulations to HPU, who played a fine couple of games to defeat two good opponents and earn their way to the Final Four.  Congratulations also to the players, coaches, and fans of Hope, DeSales, and George Fox, all of whom represented their schools quite well.

It was a great event, and I'm glad I made the trip.  It was nice to meet so many folks and attach faces to names, including Gordon Mann, Ralph Turner, dballa, mcmfan & family, and Rick Akins (and I hope I haven't missed anyone!) 

Good luck to the Lady Jackets as they buzz around the tulips of Holland this weekend!

David -- glad you went and glad you enjoyed it!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 17, 2008, 12:06:24 PM
I watched Glory Road last night, the story of Texas Western, now the University of Texas at El Paso, and the run toward what was almost a perfect season as they captured the national title against the University of Kentucky.

I could not help but compare the story to what will be a perfect record as HPU captures the national DIII title.  All the way, Jackets! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 17, 2008, 02:00:42 PM
Does anyone know who has won the national championship in DIII and gone undefeated?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on March 17, 2008, 02:02:33 PM
I do not have time to say much since I am going to Holland Michigan later in the week!!  One comment about the HPU foul shots in the Hope game. I am afraid to read what the Hope fans have said, but remember 4 of the 18 were in the last 25 seconds when Hope had to foul. Also, remember 8 (including 2 of those last four) were by a person who had the best individual performance I have ever seen and who LITERALLY could not and would not be stopped Saturday night.

In the first half neither team had many fouls at all, and in the second half Boles made 5 3's so no fouls on those. Hope may have had a few bad calls but they are a very physical team, IMHO, and should expect more fouls. Hope was a great team, and I am sure on a neutral floor it might take another amazing performance from Meia to beat them; however, I just had a little bit of the feeling from Hope on both days really that --"we are Hope"--things should always go our way.  I guess when you are undefeated this year, have the players and coaches they do, and were the 2006 national champs, it would be hard not to have that attitude.  I really thought our whole team (and I understand it is easier with 95% of the fans on your side) handled the excruciating pressure of that game incredibly well, especially at the end. Hope had a couple of turnovers at the end  that hurt them.

Enought of that!! I am so proud of our team!  What an amazing weekend!  If we play our game, I am confident we can play with anyone up there and can win it all.  I do not care if we were at home---that game with Hope was as pressure packed as any  could be and we handled it well. On to Holland!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2008, 02:20:31 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 17, 2008, 02:00:42 PM
Does anyone know who has won the national championship in DIII and gone undefeated?

Here (http://www.d3hoops.com/archives/) is a place to start.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 17, 2008, 04:23:07 PM
Looks like HPU will be in for another physical game just looking at the UW@WW roster.  they have 6 girls that are 6ft to 6ft 1'' and seems to be Hope size girls.  They have 2 or 3 girls that can light it up from the outside the Lady Jackets are going to have to rebound better than the Hope game if they want to advance to the finals.  UW@WW on paper looks to be a very good basketball team.  Does anyone else have any info on these girls?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 17, 2008, 10:01:48 PM
Great win for HPU.  Right now they can say with no doubt they are as good as any team or better than any team in the DIII world.  Will they win the championship?   They certainly have the talent, experience.  The only thing is how will they handle the pressure of the big weekend.  It made a big impact on the HSU team two years ago.  I have to admit this HPU team is better than the Cowgirls were. 
But as I looked at the HPU schedule this year the only wins they have out of the south is the wins in California. 

The calls will be different.  First, I think there is no doubt having the regional game at HPU made a difference, it always does.  But HPU earned the right to have it at home.  It was up to Hope to figure out how to deal with the calls.  But the final four refs will call an eastern type game and it will be up to HPU to deal with it.  An advantage HPU does have is that they should be the favorite.   They have to be the team to beat. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 18, 2008, 08:22:36 AM
But the final four refs will call an eastern type game and it will be up to HPU to deal with it.

What's an eastern type game?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 18, 2008, 11:17:55 AM
Quote from: golfniz1 on March 17, 2008, 04:23:07 PM
Looks like HPU will be in for another physical game just looking at the UW@WW roster.  they have 6 girls that are 6ft to 6ft 1'' and seems to be Hope size girls.  They have 2 or 3 girls that can light it up from the outside the Lady Jackets are going to have to rebound better than the Hope game if they want to advance to the finals.  UW@WW on paper looks to be a very good basketball team.  Does anyone else have any info on these girls?

Looking at their stats their normal starters are 5'6, 5'7, 5'9, 5'11, and 6'.  Their subs that play the most minutes one is 6'1 the others are 5'10, 5'9, 5'9 and 5'7.
I would definitely say we have the size advantage in this matchup. 

They've shot almost as many free throws as we have so they are good at drawing fouls too, or they must have some of that "home cooking" we apparently have in Brownwood according to some fans :)

It should be a good game, I'm just extremely disappointed I'm not going to be able to make the trip.  They should be able to hear me yelling from Brownwood though.

Travel safe ladies and HPU fans, bring home the Walnut and Bronze.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 18, 2008, 01:57:41 PM
DaBalla do not worry myself and 249 more will be there to cheer the girls on to the big prize.  It will be a tough road but I believe the girls are very battle tested and ready to go.  They are focused on one thing and one thing only and that is the"WALNUT & BRONZE''.  GO HPU!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 18, 2008, 02:16:08 PM
Just heard on the radio that ALL American flights out of DFW have been cancelled for the rest of the day due to weather. That could pose some problems.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 18, 2008, 03:46:31 PM
An eastern type game is tough in the middle.  Hope did not win on the scoreboard which is the only place that counts, but Hope did control the boards.   And if HPU doesn't have a high per cent shooting game that will be a concern.

Now I realize that most the posters on this site at this point are people who bleed yellow for the Jackets.  You should be as proud as peacocks, your team has come to another level.  I have not tried to say anything bad about the team( what is there to say).  All I am doing is bringing up things that they will face in Mass. 

There is a reason that only Trinity has won from the south.  The midwest and eastern teams have ruled by sheer power basketball.  HPU is good enough to beat them on talent.  If they lost it would most likely be because of some team roughing them up and the refs not calling it.  I'm not hoping for that.  But a great team like the Yellow Jackets would only lose if someone gets into their head. 
I have been watching this tourney for the last several years.  And I do believe the ASC is stronger than it was in the past.  If MCM and even if HSU had been in a different bracket they could have beat many teams in this tourney.  But HPU  is the best team ever sent from the ASC, and these weekend they will show if they have got to the ultimate level. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2008, 03:51:17 PM
Games are in Michigan now, calhsu.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 18, 2008, 04:05:08 PM
If you could see Stacey Blalock's left eye at this time, you would say they played an eastern style game against Hope.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 18, 2008, 05:21:06 PM
calhsu:  The girls are ready to go they will play however they need to win these next 2 games.  They learned from last year in Iowa that is why they hit the weights hard over the summer and during the course of the year.  Those Hope girls were tough and I cant see anyone playing as tough as they did.  HPU is ready to play a N/S/E/or W style of game so with that being said please just root for them we need all the support we can get.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 18, 2008, 05:45:53 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 18, 2008, 04:05:08 PM
If you could see Stacey Blalock's left eye at this time, you would say they played an eastern style game against Hope.
I actually wonder if that game would have been called as it were in another part of the country.  I wonder if that may have been some of the frustration that Hope was feeling about the way that the game was called.  Their coach was especially perturbed with the officiating.

Every contested rebound was whistled a jump ball before too many elbows had flown.  (Maybe that is why Stacey's right eye looks untouched.   :D  ;) )

There was a lot of scrambling on the floor, and the players came out relatively uninjured.  (I hope that Hope Hohertz is doing okay.  She did not look good after that fall that she took in front of the Hope bench going for the loose ball over her head in the last minute!)  However, the rapid tendency to call a jump ball on contested rebounds was a consistent feature of the game. A savvy player would have picked that up in the first five minutes!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 18, 2008, 05:47:48 PM
Hope is doing good.  She'll be ready to play.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 18, 2008, 05:49:55 PM
Mr. Turner where do you get all your info?  You got to be on the staff for D3 Hoops.  What kind of chance do you give HPU in winning it all?  I respect your insight on this.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 18, 2008, 05:57:26 PM
That's good news on Hope Hohertz.

QuoteThe midwest and eastern teams have ruled by sheer power basketball. 

I'm not sure how you're classifying "east," but the East Region hasn't had a champion since NYU won in 1997.  If you mean east as a general geographic orientation, the regions that line the east coast - Mid-Atlantic, Northeast and Atlantic haven't fared much better with zero championships in the last ten years.  The South (also covering the east coast) has a champion but that team was from San Antonio.

You're right on the Midwest part, though.  The Great Lakes and Central regions have won most of the titles.  And they tend to have more depth at the forward position, perhaps making better suited to play a physical, grinding game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jacket16 on March 18, 2008, 10:56:10 PM
Ok after having watched the games in Brownwood last weekend what do the great moderators of this site think of HPU's chances later this week? Oh and one other point if Meia Daniels is not a 1st Team All-American after her game vs Hope then there is no justice in this world! (I realize she has been a second or honorable mention, I can't remember which before, however she deserves to be on the 1st team). One more question I am sure someone can answer is there a player of the year award for D3 women throughout the entire country?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 18, 2008, 11:08:05 PM
Quote from: golfniz1 on March 18, 2008, 05:49:55 PM
Mr. Turner where do you get all your info?  You got to be on the staff for D3 Hoops.  What kind of chance do you give HPU in winning it all?  I respect your insight on this.
Nope, not on the staff.  Pat Coleman let me moderate the baseball message boards beginning in December 2005 (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4158.0).

I try to keep track of things.  I saw the HPU-Hope game.

I don't know what to predict.  I think that HPU got the benefit of officiating that favors more Naismithian (less aggressive, less physical) style play.

However, I hope that we can see whether Coach Kielsmeir has found the key to the ASC winning it all.

I will defer to Chad Grubbs, the HSU SID who went in 2006.  I don't think that we ASC teams have found the key just yet.

If you look at the conference, McMurry had two big posts (Richardson and Nelson) HPU has three, HSU had one really big quality post (Lindsey Newcombe) and UMHB added a very good and talented post in Landie Thompson.

If that is what it takes, then the best teams will have the best posts as we try to make the run at the Final Four.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2008, 11:33:55 PM
Quote from: jacket16 on March 18, 2008, 10:56:10 PM
Ok after having watched the games in Brownwood last weekend what do the great moderators of this site think of HPU's chances later this week? Oh and one other point if Meia Daniels is not a 1st Team All-American after her game vs Hope then there is no justice in this world! (I realize she has been a second or honorable mention, I can't remember which before, however she deserves to be on the 1st team). One more question I am sure someone can answer is there a player of the year award for D3 women throughout the entire country?

We have a player of the year award, as does the WBCA.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 18, 2008, 11:34:08 PM
Sorry my left coast reference is showing.  For me there is the west and east and the south.  I have people here who have never been past Nevada who refer as Kansas as "back east."  Clearly the midwest has been the real power area.  The year Trinity won was a real fluke because they played a Conneticutt in the finals.  

Golfniz,  Ralph has for years shown that he is rarely wrong or unaware.  He is respectful of other teams but never lets anyone forget his love for MCM.  
If Ralph is the Guru of DIII then Pat Coleman is the god of DIII.  Thanks for the correction on the championship site.  Michigan will be different.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 18, 2008, 11:34:47 PM
I notice that the HPU women's basketball site indicates that the game on Friday will be webcast.  But I don't see the time of the broadcast.  Am I just blind?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2008, 11:38:12 PM
http://www.d3hoops.com/broadcast/
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 19, 2008, 12:22:23 AM
Both are very informed that is for sure, but it sounds like they are not predicting HPU to fare well against the remaining field.  I sure hope they are wrong and very much believe they will be.  HPU WILL bring the title to Brownwood and the ASC conference.  Once again more credibility and respect for the ASC. ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2008, 01:28:39 AM
Quote from: golfniz1 on March 19, 2008, 12:22:23 AM
Both are very informed that is for sure, but it sounds like they are not predicting HPU to fare well against the remaining field. 

Am I one of the "they" you cite? Where have I said anything close to what you claim? Please don't put words in my mouth -- especially incredibly inaccurate ones.

Listeners to Hoopsville, for example, know I have been voting Howard Payne No. 1 since Feb. 11.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 19, 2008, 01:30:10 AM
I'm sorry I have not been paying enough attention.  I just read all the posts by the Hope fans after the loss.  Talk about poor losers.  They had to know going in that playing in Brownwood was going to be tough.  

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2008, 06:24:31 AM
Quote from: golfniz1 on March 19, 2008, 12:22:23 AM
Both are very informed that is for sure, but it sounds like they are not predicting HPU to fare well against the remaining field.  I sure hope they are wrong and very much believe they will be.  HPU WILL bring the title to Brownwood and the ASC conference.  Once again more credibility and respect for the ASC. ;D
Pat Coleman has been aware of HPU's ability to take the crown since he saw them in Brownwood in Dec 2006.  He thought they could beat anyone (http://www.d3hoops.com/springfield/07/preview.htm) in the Final Four.  However, my eyes were opened in the McMurry loss to Puget Sound in 2007 as to what the conference needed to do.  HPU was held to 7 FG's in each half and to only one fastbreak bucket last year in the Sweet 16!

We (the ASC) haven't climbed the mountain yet, but we are getting closer.  We saw what the good teams at HSU did early in the decade.  We see how Coach Kielsmeir has built this team.  Maybe this is the key.

Good luck, Lady Jackets!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2008, 06:44:43 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2008, 04:09:09 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 05, 2008, 01:29:33 PM
I've been assured that tickets have been reserved for whoever plays HPU on Saturday, McM or Trinity.  Otherwise, I'd be worried right now from what you're saying that people in Brownwood would buy up all the seats before any visitors from outside town ever got a chance to get any!

Of course, while tickets have been reserved, there was no word about toilet paper...  :)

Quote from: sethhpu on March 05, 2008, 01:44:21 PM
HPU has no control on the number of seats, the NCAA has guidelines as far as ticket designation. I have a feeling that the visitors will be outnumbered by just a few :)
Feeling?  The number of tickets to the home team is specified by the NCAA Handbook and as cited by JACKET84!

The real question is the toilet paper.   :D
Thanks to HPU for the adequate accommodations last weekend!  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 19, 2008, 11:08:52 AM
Pat,
The D3hoops broadcast listing shows coverage beginning at 4:30 ET for pre-game commentary and both games; I'm just wondering when the actual HPU-UWW game starts.  Is it the first game of the day or the second?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2008, 11:11:15 AM
Second: http://www.d3hoops.com/schedule/womens/2008-03-21
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 19, 2008, 01:01:14 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 19, 2008, 01:04:20 PM
Pat sorry I jumped the gun hope no hard feelings.  Thanks for this site so we can stay up on D3Hoops
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2008, 01:11:06 PM
There's a danger in assuming that everyone's against you! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on March 19, 2008, 01:48:37 PM
Everyone--don't forget.  The times on the D3 hoops scoreboard are ET--the game is actually in ET but all of us in Texas are of course in CT.  HPU's game is at 6:30 Friday CT (second game) and HOPEFULLY 5 Saturday CT.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2008, 03:25:16 PM
Truths... 

The thought for today... (This corollary may apply to wayward Baptists who wander off the straight and narrow as they travel to Holland.  There is no Hooters in Holland.)

Four Religious Truths... 

During these serious times, people of all faiths should remember these four religious truths:

1. Muslims do not recognize Jews as God's chosen people.

2. Jews do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah.

3. Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the leader of the Christian world.

4. Baptists do not recognize each other at Hooters.

;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 19, 2008, 03:56:58 PM
Is there a Hooters in Holland, MI?   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 19, 2008, 04:00:09 PM
Why Ralph do honestly think that the Baptists are going wonder off the beaten path? Hey sweet take though you need KARMA for that. ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2008, 04:00:45 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 19, 2008, 03:56:58 PM
Is there a Hooters in Holland, MI?   ;D
Nope, therefore it is off the beaten path!   :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2008, 04:01:49 PM
Quote from: golfniz1 on March 19, 2008, 04:00:09 PM
Why Ralph do honestly think that the Baptists are going wonder off the beaten path? Hey sweet take though you need KARMA for that. ::)

Wander?  They will head straight for it!   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 19, 2008, 04:03:12 PM
AMEN! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 19, 2008, 04:08:24 PM
mcmfan how are you today?  I looked and from what I can tell there is no Hooters in Holland.  Guess they will have to find another hangout huh? Maybe the New Holland Brewing Co.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sac on March 19, 2008, 07:09:43 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 19, 2008, 03:56:58 PM
Is there a Hooters in Holland, MI?   ;D

You don't know how funny that is.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 19, 2008, 07:23:43 PM
But you have to translate it to Dutch, so wouldn't it be Toeters? :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 19, 2008, 08:58:27 PM
Quote4. Baptists do not recognize each other at Hooters.



I'm offended!  I tried to write a response just as soon as I read the Hooters reference but the grease from the chicken wings made it hard to type on my keyboard!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2008, 09:05:48 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 19, 2008, 08:58:27 PM
Quote4. Baptists do not recognize each other at Hooters.
I'm offended!  I tried to write a response just as soon as I read the Hooters reference but the grease from the chicken wings made it hard to type on my keyboard!
I owe Paint an apology.

I know...

He only goes to Hooters for the food!

:D  ;D    ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 19, 2008, 10:06:41 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2008, 09:05:48 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 19, 2008, 08:58:27 PM
Quote4. Baptists do not recognize each other at Hooters.
I'm offended!  I tried to write a response just as soon as I read the Hooters reference but the grease from the chicken wings made it hard to type on my keyboard!
I owe Paint an apology.

I know...

He only goes to Hooters for the food!

:D  ;D    ;)

The food and the fellowship.  We have our deacons meetings there.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2008, 10:16:30 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 19, 2008, 10:06:41 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2008, 09:05:48 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 19, 2008, 08:58:27 PM
Quote4. Baptists do not recognize each other at Hooters.
I'm offended!  I tried to write a response just as soon as I read the Hooters reference but the grease from the chicken wings made it hard to type on my keyboard!
I owe Paint an apology.

I know...

He only goes to Hooters for the food!

:D  ;D    ;)

The food and the fellowship.  We have our deacons meetings there.
Reminds me of the saying...

Where you find four Episcopalian priests, you will sometimes a find a fifth.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HopeConvert on March 19, 2008, 10:52:32 PM
Quote from: sac on March 19, 2008, 07:09:43 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 19, 2008, 03:56:58 PM
Is there a Hooters in Holland, MI?   ;D

You don't know how funny that is.

That was my reaction exactly.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sand Man on March 19, 2008, 11:26:22 PM
First time poster.  I noticed someone indicated that Hooters serves food now  ???  Couldn't resist joining in the discussion.  Not to mention, I've got my tickets for the final for in Holland, and I'm a little excited!   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2008, 11:30:10 PM
Quote from: Sand Man on March 19, 2008, 11:26:22 PM
First time poster.  I noticed someone indicated that Hooters serves food now  ???  Couldn't resist joining in the discussion.  Not to mention, I've got my tickets for the final for in Holland, and I'm a little excited!   ;D
Oh no!

History will record that your first post on the D3Sports.com message boards was about Hooters.

What will you tell your grandchildren?   :D

Welcome anyway!  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 19, 2008, 11:38:15 PM
golfniz1, I'm pretty good, wondering how I get more responses about a Hooters in Holland, MI, than anything else I've ever posted here! (As a good Calvinist, I must add that I've never been to a Hooters, myself...)  :D

My big dilemma right now is figuring out how to listen to the game Friday night as well as attending our Good Friday church service...  :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2008, 11:40:02 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 19, 2008, 11:38:15 PM
golfniz1, I'm pretty good, wondering how I get more responses about a Hooters in Holland, MI, than anything else I've ever posted here! (As a good Calvinist, I must add that I've never been to a Hooters, myself...)  :D  ...
And if you did, were you predestined to go there?

Or was it free will?  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sand Man on March 20, 2008, 12:33:17 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2008, 11:30:10 PM
Quote from: Sand Man on March 19, 2008, 11:26:22 PM
First time poster.  I noticed someone indicated that Hooters serves food now  ???  Couldn't resist joining in the discussion.  Not to mention, I've got my tickets for the final for in Holland, and I'm a little excited!   ;D
Oh no!

History will record that your first post on the D3Sports.com message boards was about Hooters.

What will you tell your grandchildren?   :D

Welcome anyway!  ;)

::)  Oh well...it could have been worse.

I could have blindly jumped in - right in the middle of a Coach K versus "the" Coach K debate, and had no idea what was being said, or what to say.

Thanks for the welcome anyway.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 20, 2008, 12:48:07 AM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 19, 2008, 10:06:41 PM
The food and the fellowship.  We have our deacons meetings there.

HA HA HA
that cracked me up!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: oldknight on March 20, 2008, 08:23:15 AM
Quote from: dballa on March 19, 2008, 07:23:43 PM
But you have to translate it to Dutch, so wouldn't it be Toeters? :)

Actually it's Hootheers throughout west Michigan which is Dutch for "distinguished gentlemen." Of course if a Calvinist is seen frequenting such an institution he comes with religious tract in hand and only goes to read the menu--not look at the pictures wait staff. ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 20, 2008, 08:53:15 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2008, 11:40:02 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 19, 2008, 11:38:15 PM
golfniz1, I'm pretty good, wondering how I get more responses about a Hooters in Holland, MI, than anything else I've ever posted here! (As a good Calvinist, I must add that I've never been to a Hooters, myself...)  :D  ...
And if you did, were you predestined to go there?

Or was it free will?  ;D

I, for one, am a Calvinist by my own free will.

Or maybe it's that I have been an Arminian from the foundation of the world.   

Either way, the Jackets are going to win it all, baby!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 20, 2008, 09:23:49 AM
According to Brownwood radio and the newspaper Meia Daniels has been named WBCA Player of the Year and Coach K has been named Coach of the Year. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Erm Schmigget on March 20, 2008, 09:27:11 AM
If anyone still needs tickets, I have a pair for both nights that I will not be able to use due to a death in the family.  They are at midcourt, behind the scorers/media tables, in the cushy seats.  PM me if you are interested.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 20, 2008, 10:12:39 AM
Also a great story by Gordon Mann on the front page.  He definitely captured what this team is truly about, where they've come from and where they are headed and want to be.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 20, 2008, 10:25:07 AM
Quote from: dballa on March 20, 2008, 10:12:39 AM
Also a great story by Gordon Mann on the front page.  He definitely captured what this team is truly about, where they've come from and where they are headed and want to be.
In the picture of Meia Daniels by Ron Pfiester, we see three people going to the right of the picture.

Is that a McMurry jersey to the right of Meia?
Followed by Coach Kielsmeir?
And the McMurry broadcaster Kit Kimbrell wearing the headsets?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 20, 2008, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: dballa on March 20, 2008, 09:23:49 AM
According to Brownwood radio and the newspaper Meia Daniels has been named WBCA Player of the Year and Coach K has been named Coach of the Year. 



Nobody deserves the honor more than Coach K! 

You HPU fans need to start preparing yourselves for the inevitable move of Coach K to a DII or DI program.  It is going to happen. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 20, 2008, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 20, 2008, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: dballa on March 20, 2008, 09:23:49 AM
According to Brownwood radio and the newspaper Meia Daniels has been named WBCA Player of the Year and Coach K has been named Coach of the Year. 



Nobody deserves the honor more than Coach K! 

You HPU fans need to start preparing yourselves for the inevitable move of Coach K to a DII or DI program.  It is going to happen. 
In fact, we fans from other ASC member institutions have been sending out glowing (but unsolicited) letters of recommendation.  Not only is Coach Kielsmeir a great basketball coach, but we understand that he is working on a cure for cancer (winning cures anything, doesn't it) and eliminating world hunger, global warming and drought in west Texas.   ;D :D ;D ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 20, 2008, 02:22:50 PM
Some interesting parallels between HPU and UWW, for what they are worth.  Both had home court advantage when they beat their opponents to get to the Final Four.  And some DePauw people are complaining on the SCAC discussion pages about the same disparity in foul calls with UWW that some Hope people on the MIAA discussion pages have made about their game with HPU.

The free throw stats from last Saturday's DePauw - Whitewater game:
DePauw 11-13 FTs
UWW    19-32 FTs

So, tomorrow two teams which both collect a lot of foul calls play each other on what should be a neutral court (though there will probably be more UWW fans there simply because it's closer than Brownwood).  And I'll bet this time around, Meia will be double teamed, something Hope never did to shut her down last Saturday.  The other HPU players will have to step it up!  But of course, I'm sure they and Coach Kielsmeir all know that...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 20, 2008, 02:54:08 PM
I don't see how UWW would have more fans than HPU.  This weekend they couldn't even get more than 500 total at their home game against DePauw.  HPU received 250 tickets to begin with and from what I heard they were pretty much all sold plus some others that had purchased them from Hope College directly.  I think the only people we won't out number will be the Hope faithful that come to watch the games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: House on March 20, 2008, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: golfniz1 on March 19, 2008, 04:08:24 PM
Maybe the New Holland Brewing Co.

Highly recommended.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Barber Greene on March 20, 2008, 03:16:31 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 20, 2008, 02:54:08 PM
I don't see how UWW would have more fans than HPU.  This weekend they couldn't even get more than 500 total at their home game against DePauw.  HPU received 250 tickets to begin with and from what I heard they were pretty much all sold plus some others that had purchased them from Hope College directly.  I think the only people we won't out number will be the Hope faithful that come to watch the games.

The Warhawk faithful travel well...I wouldn't be surprised if as many attend these games as attended the games in Whitewater last week (that attendance figure probably included about 100 Depauw fans)

You can't get the students to attend the championship men's football games in Whitewater but you can get them to board two buses going to Salem, VA....go figure
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 20, 2008, 05:31:55 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 20, 2008, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: dballa on March 20, 2008, 09:23:49 AM
According to Brownwood radio and the newspaper Meia Daniels has been named WBCA Player of the Year and Coach K has been named Coach of the Year. 



Nobody deserves the honor more than Coach K! 

You HPU fans need to start preparing yourselves for the inevitable move of Coach K to a DII or DI program.  It is going to happen. 

I don't know about that.  Remember Julie Goodenough at Hardin Simmons?  She built HSU up, went to Oklahoma State, and OSU fired her after her 2nd year in a 3yr contract.  She's now at Charleston Southern, with a loosing season (8-22).  She was a great DIII coach.  In DIII you're dealing with different players than DI and DII.  I think Chris will be best in DIII.   I could see him moving to another DIII school in the Midwest, closer to his home.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on March 20, 2008, 05:58:11 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 20, 2008, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: dballa on March 20, 2008, 09:23:49 AM
According to Brownwood radio and the newspaper Meia Daniels has been named WBCA Player of the Year and Coach K has been named Coach of the Year. 



Nobody deserves the honor more than Coach K! 

You HPU fans need to start preparing yourselves for the inevitable move of Coach K to a DII or DI program.  It is going to happen. 

We sure don't want that happening anytime soon!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 20, 2008, 06:31:58 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 20, 2008, 05:31:55 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 20, 2008, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: dballa on March 20, 2008, 09:23:49 AM
According to Brownwood radio and the newspaper Meia Daniels has been named WBCA Player of the Year and Coach K has been named Coach of the Year. 



Nobody deserves the honor more than Coach K! 

You HPU fans need to start preparing yourselves for the inevitable move of Coach K to a DII or DI program.  It is going to happen. 

I don't know about that.  Remember Julie Goodenough at Hardin Simmons?  She built HSU up, went to Oklahoma State, and OSU fired her after her 2nd year in a 3yr contract.  She's now at Charleston Southern, with a loosing season (8-22).  She was a great DIII coach.  In DIII you're dealing with different players than DI and DII.  I think Chris will be best in DIII.   I could see him moving to another DIII school in the Midwest, closer to his home.
I met his mom and dad last weekend.  Do they live here?  Do they "snowbird" here in basketball season?

If he prefers to live in Brownwood TX over Indianola or Decorah IA, then why move back to Iowa?

Aside from the geographic isolation in D-III, there is much to be said for the ASC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Hwbb on March 20, 2008, 06:58:41 PM
Note to anyone who will be driving from the south into Holland on Friday...snow is forecast from northern Indiana border to Holland for Friday afternoon, making that 90-minute portion of the drive a lot longer and more difficult. Leave early and take care.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 20, 2008, 07:43:36 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 20, 2008, 06:31:58 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 20, 2008, 05:31:55 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 20, 2008, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: dballa on March 20, 2008, 09:23:49 AM
According to Brownwood radio and the newspaper Meia Daniels has been named WBCA Player of the Year and Coach K has been named Coach of the Year. 



Nobody deserves the honor more than Coach K! 

You HPU fans need to start preparing yourselves for the inevitable move of Coach K to a DII or DI program.  It is going to happen. 

I don't know about that.  Remember Julie Goodenough at Hardin Simmons?  She built HSU up, went to Oklahoma State, and OSU fired her after her 2nd year in a 3yr contract.  She's now at Charleston Southern, with a loosing season (8-22).  She was a great DIII coach.  In DIII you're dealing with different players than DI and DII.  I think Chris will be best in DIII.   I could see him moving to another DIII school in the Midwest, closer to his home.
I met his mom and dad last weekend.  Do they live here?  Do they "snowbird" here in basketball season?

If he prefers to live in Brownwood TX over Indianola or Decorah IA, then why move back to Iowa?

Aside from the geographic isolation in D-III, there is much to be said for the ASC.
They live in Iowa.  I believe his brother (who assisted Chris the first couple of years) moved back to Iowa.  They just come down for a few games each year.  I'm sure he likes the winters down here vs. Iowa.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 20, 2008, 11:56:29 PM
yea they live in Iowa, and Coach Kelly went back to Iowa for a head coaching position.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 21, 2008, 12:44:15 AM
by the way...i'm way proud to be one point behind Pat Coleman on the womens pick em bracket...at least for now! lol

:) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 21, 2008, 01:05:26 AM
I expect you and I may have the same national champ ...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 21, 2008, 11:18:28 AM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 20, 2008, 05:31:55 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 20, 2008, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: dballa on March 20, 2008, 09:23:49 AM
According to Brownwood radio and the newspaper Meia Daniels has been named WBCA Player of the Year and Coach K has been named Coach of the Year. 



Nobody deserves the honor more than Coach K! 

You HPU fans need to start preparing yourselves for the inevitable move of Coach K to a DII or DI program.  It is going to happen. 

I don't know about that.  Remember Julie Goodenough at Hardin Simmons?  She built HSU up, went to Oklahoma State, and OSU fired her after her 2nd year in a 3yr contract.  She's now at Charleston Southern, with a loosing season (8-22).  She was a great DIII coach.  In DIII you're dealing with different players than DI and DII.  I think Chris will be best in DIII.   I could see him moving to another DIII school in the Midwest, closer to his home.

Coach Goodenough is one example of the transition not working as well as folks might have hoped.  I would venture, however,  to say there are plenty of examples of coaches going from the DIII ranks "upwards" to DII and even DI who had tremendous success.  I am not a student of the subject so I can't give you specific examples, but I would think they exist.

Coach K has developed an amazing program at HPU.  He inherited a team that was mediocre at best and turned the program into what could be argued as the best in the country.  My hat is off to the man!  

Lady Jackets all the way, baby!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 21, 2008, 03:06:10 PM
Well I am in Holland Michigan and it snowing big time.  It will be very diificult to travel from Wisconsin to Michigan right now. The snow is expected to fall all day and thru tomorrow A.M. right now there is 5'' on the ground.  Awesome for us Texans that dont get to expirence snow that often.  At the banquet last night Hope put on a very nice program and dinner big props goes out to Hope College they have done an excellent job as hosts of this event.  Congrats goes out to Mia Daniels named player of the year for NCAA WBCA D-3 and Coach K coach of the year very deserving by each. ;D  Well gotta go build a snowman later and GO HPU BRING HOME THE WALNUT AND BRONZE!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 21, 2008, 03:12:34 PM
golfniz1 make some noise for us that couldn't make it to Holland.  I'm sure it's going to be an amazing atmosphere.  Our girls are use to playing in the spotlight so I know they'll come out and play to the best of their abilities and put on a big show.

STING 'EM JACKETS!!

FINISH IT!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 21, 2008, 04:40:05 PM
Make a LOT of noise, golfniz1!  You've got to make up for all the Texians who can't be there tonight!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 21, 2008, 04:50:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 21, 2008, 01:05:26 AM
I expect you and I may have the same national champ ...

I suspect that as well. :)  I'm real impressed with Oglethorp, and gald i picked them into the final four. ;)  their regular season schedule was a tough  :o one.  though i've got messiah and HPU in the championship game. 

Quote from: inthepaint on March 21, 2008, 11:18:28 AM
Lady Jackets all the way, baby!
Yet Again, how could i not quote it!  ;D

GO  HOWARD  PAYNE
94/40  GIRLS!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 21, 2008, 04:51:53 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 21, 2008, 04:40:05 PM
Make a LOT of noise, golfniz1!  You've got to make up for all the Texians who can't be there tonight!

i second that...scream loud and proud!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: oldknight on March 21, 2008, 05:15:43 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 21, 2008, 04:40:05 PM
Make a LOT of noise, golfniz1!  You've got to make up for all the Texians who can't be there tonight!

With the snow falling like crazy around here there's a lot of noise in west Michigan--mostly screaming, and from people who aren't even at the gymnasium.  :( :'(

Quote from: golfniz1 on March 21, 2008, 03:06:10 PM
Well I am in Holland Michigan and it snowing big time.  It will be very diificult to travel from Wisconsin to Michigan right now. The snow is expected to fall all day and thru tomorrow A.M. right now there is 5'' on the ground.  Awesome for us Texans that dont get to expirence snow that often

Something less than awesome for those of us who live here 12 months of the year. ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 21, 2008, 07:05:32 PM
Messiah 80, Oglethorpe 60. Final
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 21, 2008, 08:31:25 PM
Half time - HPU up by 11
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: House on March 21, 2008, 09:30:05 PM
Congrats HPU and good luck tomorrow. It took me a week, but I've finally come around to rooting for your team. Hopefully the Hope fans in Holland will be as well. With the Hope Men loosing tonight :(, it should make for a good crowd tomorrow.
For those in Holland, keep in mind that there is no snow on the ground in down town, if the novelty wares off.

A last minute recommendation is Fricano's Pizza. 174 South River Ave.
Though not much for atmosphere, the pizza is thin, greasy, and perfect.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 21, 2008, 09:34:49 PM
HPU won the rebounds, 43-31. 21 HPU offensive rebounds and 27 UWW turnovers.

The physical play has paid off so far.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 21, 2008, 09:40:14 PM
HPU's win tonight insures that regardless of tomorrow's result in the final, they will finish better than Hardin-Simmons' women did in '05-06.  :) ;) :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 21, 2008, 09:41:53 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on March 21, 2008, 09:40:14 PM
HPU's win tonight insures that regardless of tomorrow's result in the final, they will finish better than Hardin-Simmons' women did in '05-06.  :) ;) :D
You know, I understand that emotion...   :D :D :D
Go ASC!!!
Title: Trivia
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on March 21, 2008, 09:46:52 PM
Trivia question for everyone.

There are two teams in the country that have lost to both Messiah and Howard Payne this season?  Can you name them?

Good Luck to both teams in the title game.

BJ
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 21, 2008, 09:53:18 PM
Concordia TX and DeSales
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 21, 2008, 10:14:24 PM
Finals, BABY!  Take it all Lady Jackets!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 21, 2008, 11:29:01 PM
Free throws:
HPU   21-25  84%
UWW   6-15  40%
What these figures tell me is that UWW was never able to disrupt HPU from playing their style of game: HPU not only got more FT opportunities, as in most of its other wins this season, it shot them twice as accurately as UWW.  If HPU can do it one more time against Messiah, then it really will have FINISHED IT!!
Also, if I remember right, this is the first time HPU has won a playoff game away from Brownwood, which breaks another barrier from the past few seasons.

To Golfniz1: Hopefully the snow won't give you laryngitis -- You need to keep up the cheers for one more game!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Scratch on March 21, 2008, 11:47:12 PM
Quote from: Rob Don on March 21, 2008, 04:51:53 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 21, 2008, 04:40:05 PM
Make a LOT of noise, golfniz1!  You've got to make up for all the Texians who can't be there tonight!

i second that...scream loud and proud!
I have to say that pound for pound, the HPU faithful are louder than any other set of fans at the finals.  I wonder if the two (yes, count them two) bands will ask to include the HPU chants in their song rotation.  When we yell, we drown out the bands.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 12:24:13 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 21, 2008, 11:29:01 PM
Free throws:
HPU   21-25  84%
UWW   6-15  40%
What these figures tell me is that UWW was never able to disrupt HPU from playing their style of game: HPU not only got more FT opportunities, as in most of its other wins this season, it shot them twice as accurately as UWW.  If HPU can do it one more time against Messiah, then it really will have FINISHED IT!!
Also, if I remember right, this is the first time HPU has won a playoff game away from Brownwood, which breaks another barrier from the past few seasons.

To Golfniz1: Hopefully the snow won't give you laryngitis -- You need to keep up the cheers for one more game!
Didn't HPU beat Trinity in 2006 at McMurry?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 22, 2008, 01:00:54 AM
what a good friday! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 22, 2008, 01:58:56 AM
Good luck to the HPU women tomorrow ... bring back a championship to Texas!

And Dale "if it ain't Dallas pro sports, it aint s**t" Hansen actually mentioned HPU's semi-final win on tonight's WFAA evening broadcast.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 22, 2008, 11:42:40 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 12:24:13 AM
Didn't HPU beat Trinity in 2006 at McMurry?

Oops, you're right -- I forgot about that one, since it happened at a venue HPU knows almost as well as the Coliseum.  :P
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 22, 2008, 12:28:25 PM
Here's a dumb question: How does the HPU coach spell his last name?  Everyone here, and on the regular D3hoops pages, seems to spell it "Kielsmeir," but it's spelled "Kielsmeier" on the HPU coaching page at http://www.hputx.edu/s/668/howardpayne.aspx?pgid=1595!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 12:40:22 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 22, 2008, 11:42:40 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 12:24:13 AM
Didn't HPU beat Trinity in 2006 at McMurry?
Oops, you're right -- I forgot about that one, since it happened at a venue HPU knows almost as well as the Coliseum.  :P

Yeah, good point. :)

It is the "battle-testing" that we get in the ASC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 22, 2008, 12:28:25 PM
Here's a dumb question: How does the HPU coach spell his last name?  Everyone here, and on the regular D3hoops pages, seems to spell it "Kielsmeir," but it's spelled "Kielsmeier" on the HPU coaching page at http://www.hputx.edu/s/668/howardpayne.aspx?pgid=1595!!!
I have used the spelling on the D3hoops.com page.

I had not thought to double-check the HPU coaches' page.

+1
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 01:19:57 PM
Brownwood Bulletin (http://www.brownwoodbulletin.com/articles/2008/03/22/sports/doc47e49fcc84099628978307.txt) game story. (Registration required.)

UWW only hit one 3FG in the last 24:45 of the game.

HPU played a zone and UWW still only got off thirteen 3FG's in the game.

HPU hit 16-18 FT's in the second half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 22, 2008, 02:06:15 PM
R E B
R E B
R E B O U N D

REBOUND CLAP CLAP  ;D
REBOUND CLAP CLAP  ;D

:) :) GO HPU!!! :) :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 22, 2008, 02:06:57 PM
any scouting reports on Messiah, their style of game, size, stats, etc???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 02:53:35 PM
Quote from: Rob Don on March 22, 2008, 02:06:57 PM
any scouting reports on Messiah, their style of game, size, stats, etc???
Messiah (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2008/03/18/Messiah%27s+habits+unbreakable/2054) from the front page of D3Hoops.com
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 22, 2008, 03:49:27 PM
thanks ralph
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 22, 2008, 06:03:22 PM
Game Time!!!!!!!! Finish It Lady Jackets!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 22, 2008, 07:49:07 PM
It is the last minutes of the game and it appears that the Yellow Jackets are doing what they have done all year,  win and win big. 
From a die hard HSU fan, my Cowboy hat is off to a true group of champions.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 22, 2008, 07:50:54 PM
What a game, and a season. National Champs!!!! Congrats Lady Jackets!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 22, 2008, 07:51:12 PM
HOWARD PAYNE UNIVERSITY
2008 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mytwocents on March 22, 2008, 07:55:40 PM
Congratulations to Howard Payne and their faithfull.  You have an excellent program. You are the National Champs and deservedly so.  Hope to see you again in the future. Best Wishes from a Messiah faithfull. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 22, 2008, 07:57:00 PM
Maybe I shouldn't admit this, but when I heard who won POY and COY awards from Tim Calderwood and Co. I thought "I hope this doesn't jinx HPU."  Turns out it didn't. Congratulations! :) ;) :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 22, 2008, 07:58:19 PM
FINISHED IT!!!!

WAY TO GO LADY JACKETS!!!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 22, 2008, 08:00:29 PM
WOW!  68-54, and as the announcer said, "HPU was never tested this season."  

My hat is off to Coach K and to the Lady Jackets!  Congratulations and thanks for showing the nation that they need to keep an eye on the ASC!

Keep stinging, Jackets!   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 22, 2008, 08:01:29 PM
WOW WOW WOW

i'll tell ya, i remember when there weren't twenty fans coming to the women's bball games and everybody was busy watching Benny West play ball...but those days are long gone.

congrats to the Lady Jackets and congrats Coach K, you all deserve it!  maybe Coach K will FINALLY be optimistic about the team next time I talk to him!!!  

GO HPU!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 22, 2008, 08:04:26 PM
Thanks to Pat Coleman for the support and picking HPU to win. Glad we could prove you right this time!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: oldknight on March 22, 2008, 08:17:47 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 22, 2008, 08:00:29 PM
WOW!  68-54, and as the announcer said, "HPU was never tested this season." 

My hat is off to Coach K and to the Lady Jackets!  Congratulations and thanks for showing the nation that they need to keep an eye on the ASC!

Keep stinging, Jackets!   

Apparently the announcer missed last week's sectional final.

Congratulations to HPU on a spectacular season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 22, 2008, 08:19:38 PM
FYI - Last night on WFAA Dale Hansen included the HPU Lady Jackets in his "March Madness" story.  It was not long, but it was more D3 recognition than I have ever heard from any metroplex sports show.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 22, 2008, 08:21:16 PM
Quote from: oldknight on March 22, 2008, 08:17:47 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 22, 2008, 08:00:29 PM
WOW!  68-54, and as the announcer said, "HPU was never tested this season." 

My hat is off to Coach K and to the Lady Jackets!  Congratulations and thanks for showing the nation that they need to keep an eye on the ASC!

Keep stinging, Jackets!   

Apparently the announcer missed last week's sectional final.

Congratulations to HPU on a spectacular season.

He did mention that game as their greatest challenge of the year but that with home court advantage it was never really in question.  Not his words, but what I gleaned from his comments. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 08:21:44 PM
Using HPU as a measuring stick, HPU is #1, Hope #2 and McMurry must be in the Top 5.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 22, 2008, 08:25:16 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 08:21:44 PM
Using HPU as a measuring stick, HPU is #1, Hope #2 and McMurry must be in the Top 5.

I wish I could say the same about my HSU Cowgirls but, as the saying goes, maybe next year!

Whoo hooo, thanks again HPU.  What an amazing year to follow.  You girls obviously believed in yourselves and your coach! 

Enjoy everything that comes with such incredible success!  Coach K, well done, sir
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 22, 2008, 08:26:49 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 08:21:44 PM
Using HPU as a measuring stick, HPU is #1, Hope #2 and McMurry must be in the Top 5.

So, Ralph, does this get a one-year exemption from HPU being called "Horrid Pain" - or is that just too deeply engrained in the McMurry DNA? ;D ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 22, 2008, 08:29:27 PM
Probably not, and I'm sure the Coliseum will always be the Mausoleum, too!
Congratulations from a McMurry fan -- and that's to the whole town of Brownwood, which really impressed me with how they came out to back the team!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: oldknight on March 22, 2008, 08:29:55 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 22, 2008, 08:21:16 PM
Quote from: oldknight on March 22, 2008, 08:17:47 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 22, 2008, 08:00:29 PM
WOW!  68-54, and as the announcer said, "HPU was never tested this season." 

My hat is off to Coach K and to the Lady Jackets!  Congratulations and thanks for showing the nation that they need to keep an eye on the ASC!

Keep stinging, Jackets!   

Apparently the announcer missed last week's sectional final.

Congratulations to HPU on a spectacular season.

He did mention that game as their greatest challenge of the year but that with home court advantage it was never really in question.  Not his words, but what I gleaned from his comments. 

??? When you're trailing by 4 with less than 4 minutes left, there's some question--even if you're playing at home.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 08:32:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 22, 2008, 08:26:49 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 08:21:44 PM
Using HPU as a measuring stick, HPU is #1, Hope #2 and McMurry must be in the Top 5.

So, Ralph, does this get a one-year exemption from HPU being called "Horrid Pain" - or is that just too deeply engrained in the McMurry DNA? ;D ::)
Hey, McMurry plays Horrid Pain in baseball in 3 weeks! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 22, 2008, 08:40:40 PM
Quote from: Rob Don on March 15, 2008, 11:18:18 PM


I tell ya what...if i know Coach K like i think i do (and i do ;D) he is going to be talking about rebounding all week long! ha ha ha 



ha ha i just heard Hope Hohertz on the radio and she said that Coach K was ticked about them getting out rebounded. lol
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 22, 2008, 08:43:12 PM
[quote author....as the announcer said, "HPU was never tested this season."  [/quote]

It certainly seems that way!!!

Congratulations, HPU...proud of you! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 22, 2008, 08:45:48 PM
Quote from: oldknight on March 22, 2008, 08:29:55 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 22, 2008, 08:21:16 PM
Quote from: oldknight on March 22, 2008, 08:17:47 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 22, 2008, 08:00:29 PM
WOW!  68-54, and as the announcer said, "HPU was never tested this season." 

My hat is off to Coach K and to the Lady Jackets!  Congratulations and thanks for showing the nation that they need to keep an eye on the ASC!

Keep stinging, Jackets!   



Apparently the announcer missed last week's sectional final.

Congratulations to HPU on a spectacular season.

He did mention that game as their greatest challenge of the year but that with home court advantage it was never really in question.  Not his words, but what I gleaned from his comments. 

??? When you're trailing by 4 with less than 4 minutes left, there's some question--even if you're playing at home.

there is only one test that matters...and we just passed it with flying colors!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 22, 2008, 09:05:09 PM
This isn't golfniz1, this is his son. I wasn't able to attend the game in Holland, MI. I was able to go to a local Buffalo Wild Wings and watch the game on TV. Awesome game!!! The whole team played great. That was a total team win tonight. Meia handled the ball great and showed why she was Player of the Year. Stacy was dominate down low scoring a double-double. Kim Hoffman, the CSTV Sirus Player of the Game stepped up big tonight with 21 points and 8 rebs. . She definitely left everything on the court for her last game for HPU. Hope played solid on both sides of the court. The bench came in and played great when called upon. Coach K called a great game and that zone defense he runs was terrific tonight.
CONGRATS HPU FOR A GREAT SEASON!!!!!
2008 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 22, 2008, 09:30:19 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 08:32:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 22, 2008, 08:26:49 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 08:21:44 PM
Using HPU as a measuring stick, HPU is #1, Hope #2 and McMurry must be in the Top 5.

So, Ralph, does this get a one-year exemption from HPU being called "Horrid Pain" - or is that just too deeply engrained in the McMurry DNA? ;D ::)
Hey, McMurry plays Horrid Pain in baseball in 3 weeks! :)

I will take that as a 'no'.  Actually, as a 'no way in hell', but not sure if you can say that! :D

Good.  Rivalries should not be too easily dismissed.  I popped a bottle of Champagne when Millikin won it all, but went back to hating them the next day! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on March 22, 2008, 09:39:53 PM
Congratulations to the Lady Jackets of HPU.  Undefeated National Champs of NCAA Division III!

It is a great boost to ASC Women's sports overall and to basketball in particular.

As a McM grad, it never feels good to lose, It just not as bad to lose to the best in the USA!!!

WAY TO GO LADY JACKETS !!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 09:48:12 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 22, 2008, 09:30:19 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 08:32:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 22, 2008, 08:26:49 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 08:21:44 PM
Using HPU as a measuring stick, HPU is #1, Hope #2 and McMurry must be in the Top 5.

So, Ralph, does this get a one-year exemption from HPU being called "Horrid Pain" - or is that just too deeply engrained in the McMurry DNA? ;D ::)
Hey, McMurry plays Horrid Pain in baseball in 3 weeks! :)
I will take that as a 'no'.  Actually, as a 'no way in hell', but not sure if you can say that! :D
Good.  Rivalries should not be too easily dismissed.  I popped a bottle of Champagne when Millikin won it all, but went back to hating them the next day! ;D
Yes!  Pop open one of those Mexican Coca-Colas for me in celebration of HPU's win!  I am very happy for HPU and the ASC tonight!

Does a 10-point win over UWW and a 14-point win over #4 Messiah count as a monkey-stomp?   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 22, 2008, 10:02:06 PM
The thing that keeps going through my mind is that nobody will every be able to one-up HPU!  An undefeated season and national champs!  Others can make it to the dance and may even go in undefeated fashion, but nobody will ever be able to do more than HPU did! 

It reminds me of a 99 yard touchdown run.  Someone may one day match it but nobody will ever surpass it! 

I have not always posted kudos to HPU - heck, I don't think I've ever posted them - but tonight I say it with the loudest, most-affirming voice I can muster up;

You are the best, HPU, and you are the most deserving coach-of-the-year that I can remember, Coach K! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 22, 2008, 10:22:30 PM
Congrats to Howard Payne and the ASC on an undefeated national championship!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 10:28:33 PM
Great photo by Josh Bowerman of Stacey Blalock hoisting the Walnut and Bronze.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 10:52:02 PM
After watching HPU at the Final Four, I am even more confident of the following  assessment that I posted on the MIAA board for the Hope fans on March 9th.

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4515.1367

QuoteThis HPU looks that strongest of any team that we have seen in the ASC this decade.

It has more depth than the Kendra Anderson 2003 team that lost in the Sectional to National Champ Trinity or the early 2000 teams coached by Julie Goodenough, formerly of Okie State and now of Charleston Southern in the Big South.

Maybe a bit stronger post play than the 2006 McMurry team that lost to Cinderella HSU team that went to the Final Four.

Finally has the tournament maturity (to wit, the first round loss to Trinity in 2005, the loss to HSU in the first round in 2006, the Sweet 16 loss in Decorah IA in 2007)  that it takes to get this far.

Nice addition in Katy Sarem at Guard.  She worked her way into the starting lineup by Christmas. 

The front court has five solid players...Blalock, Hoffman, Hobbs, Hohertz and Jockers.  I think that Jockers has made the biggest improvement this year.  They can play a very physical style of ball that you usually don't see in the South.  They do not lose anything when Coach Kielsmeier goes to his bench in the standard rotation.

HPU has shot the free throws very well.  Blalock, Daniels and Hoffman all hit > 80%.

The All-American (point) guard is Meia Daniels from Ft Worth.  She is as quick as anyone you have seen this year.  ASC POTY (in a conference that has Tarra Richardson).  When McMurry closed to 6 with 4:30 left (in the ASC Tourney finals), Daniels drained 3 consecutive 3FG's to put the game out of reach.  Daniels can drive the basket hard, too.

This team has the right combination of speed and physical size to advance far in the tourney.

ASC-West basketball is very good quality.  #5 Concordia-Austin, coached by former WNBA head coach Linda Sharp could win 10 D-III conferences. #4 UMHB could win 15 conferences.  #3 HSU could win 20 conferences; McM at least 25 to 30.  HPU is a well-coached battle-hardened team and the Brownwood Coliseum will be loud.
I now believe that those schools would win those other conferences championships.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on March 22, 2008, 10:53:22 PM
Congrats to HPU.  Will the fact that HPU is the national champion and 3 of the teams that came closest to HPU are in the ASC make a difference next year?  Also will this change the ASC having to play itself in the first couple of rounds in the tournament?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 10:56:18 PM
Nash, no, but having another conference in the ASC-East might get another Sectional game guaranteed.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on March 23, 2008, 01:04:16 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 10:28:33 PM
Great photo by Josh Bowerman of Stacey Blalock hoisting the Walnut and Bronze.

Thanks, Ralph.  This was a great weekend, made even better by our ASC own bringing home the big prize.  Congrats to Howard Payne from this HSU Cowboy!

The Jackets were clearly the class of the Final Four--they were never really seriously challenged in either game.  Certainly deserving of the title.

Hope everybody enjoyed the broadcasts and photos.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2008, 01:03:50 PM
Jostens photo gallery (Tarra Richardson) (http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=2147)

HPU-Messiah Photo Gallery (http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=2153)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 23, 2008, 05:48:49 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 22, 2008, 10:02:06 PM
It reminds me of a 99 yard touchdown run.  Someone may one day match it but nobody will ever surpass it! 
Can't you surpass that if you catch a kick in the endzone, and then run it clear down the field?  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2008, 05:57:15 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 23, 2008, 05:48:49 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 22, 2008, 10:02:06 PM
It reminds me of a 99 yard touchdown run.  Someone may one day match it but nobody will ever surpass it! 
Can't you surpass that if you catch a kick in the endzone, and then run it clear down the field?  :)
Or go 34-0 to win the national championship.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 23, 2008, 07:41:40 PM
Quote from: nash on March 22, 2008, 10:53:22 PM
Congrats to HPU.  Will the fact that HPU is the national champion and 3 of the teams that came closest to HPU are in the ASC make a difference next year?  Also will this change the ASC having to play itself in the first couple of rounds in the tournament?

I doubt this year will change the format of the tournament selection, unfortunately. HPU had pretty much the same team this year as they did last year and I think  they would have had an excellent chance to win back to back national championships if they hosted a sectional last year. But on the flipside, there is a very good chance they would have lost at Hope if this year's sectional was played there. Hosting a sectional is huge when teams are as close as those two are, I'm just glad the committee used the rare opportunity to send this year's sectional to HPU with all four teams remaining a flight from each other.

Congratulations to HPU, what a great season. When I saw them earlier this season at MS College, I thought Meia Daniels was the best player I had personally seen in the ASC and was probably the nation's best this year. Happy to see her, along with the other seniors, finish off the season. They certainly are deserving of all the national honors they picked up this year, along with Coach Kielsmeier.

The rest of the ASC says thank you for showing the nation that Division III basketball is pretty good down here too.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 24, 2008, 12:19:37 AM
Before we all say good-bye to each other before the start of next year's basketball season, any final thoughts on what next years' teams will look like?  HPU and McM both lose a lot of key seniors.  I'd wonder if next year doesn't belong to HSU -- most of their players this year were not seniors, and they won all their games except those against McM and HPU.  The key will be recruiting, so I'm sure the coaches are already pounding the pavement.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 24, 2008, 12:50:01 AM
mcmfan I believe that HSU, UT- Tyler, MHB, and Concordia are going to be some very solid ball clubs next year. After watching all these teams this year these teams seem to have the best nucleus of players coming back next year. HPU will be will be good team and they have a good group of recruits coming in and could be a darkhorse. yes Mac will be a solid group also they as HPU have some big shoes to fill. Hey big guy how about those Jackets???? ;D They played probably the best 2 defensive games that I have ever seen in Womens College Basketball they swarmed both UWWW and Messiah they did not have an answer for their 2-3 zone. It was a thing of beauty. Mcmfan you would have been proud! :D well im tired just got in from Michigan and going to bed so all you HPU doubters who were out there shame on you.  HPU THE NUMBER ! COOLEGE BASKTBALL TEAM IN D3 and the only undefeated team in NCAA whatever Division.  AWESOME   BABY as Dick Vital would say.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 24, 2008, 01:58:35 AM
I think that we have seen the model to win it all.

The HSU, the McM and the HPU previous iterations (pre-2007) had deficiencies in the post.  (I will appreciate Chad Grubbs assessment as well.)

I think that Coach Kielsmeier had the "complete set of tools in the toolbox".  The national teams with the exception of Hope were similarly out-classed by HPU.  I believe that we could make a strong case for McMurry to be ranked as high as 3rd and most definitely 5th.

The thing that stands out for me is the HPU depth in the post...at least 4-5 players in the rotation is preferable.

As for next year, I like HSU and UMHB on the West and UT-Tyler on the East.  I am not sure what MissColl and LaCollege can bring in.

McMurry is losing three to graduation and maybe a 4th as well.  (Mission accomplished!  ;) )
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: twoblindrefs on March 24, 2008, 09:10:11 AM
Congrats to Howard Payne on winning the NCAA D3 Women's Basketball Championship.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HopeCSO on March 24, 2008, 09:19:41 AM
Does anyone know how I can obtain a copy of the Hope/HPU game?  I am sure I am not the only one that would like to watch the game even if the outcome is already known.

On a side note...Hope you enjoyed the pre-game SNOW slide on cafeteria trays at Devos Fieldhouse!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on March 24, 2008, 09:21:35 AM
First of all congrats to Chris and his girls, they went on a magical run and it was nice to see an ASC team finally bring home the title.

I truly believe playing in this conference gave them what they needed to get over the hump. I remember talking to Chris back before the game we played in the regular season in Abilene. He was talking how he didn't know if his team could finish off playing HSU and McMurry for the fourth time in a row in a matter of nine days.

Sure enough they jumped to a big lead, we made a run at them and they were able to hold us off at the end. That showed me right there they were more mentally tough than ever before. A coach worrying about his team's ability to remain focused before the game and when it came right down to it, they were able to overcome that and go on to victory.

Chris and I talked last week and that was the message. He had been prepared in this league, that the big crowd would not be a factor, playing two tough teams back-to-back would not be a factor, and anything he would see at the Final Four would not be something he had not seen at some point from the ASC from someone.

What I saw with this team, they did it however they needed to get the job done. In the three games against HSU they got a big effort from all three of their stats. Blalock in Brownwood, Blalock and Hoffman in Abilene and Daniels in the conference tournament. They had more than one option they could go to.

I think they had the element I talked about back in December. They had three players that could play inside-out with Daniels, Blalock and Hoffman. They could score off the dribble and when things broke down they could put into Daniels' hands and she could create her own shot.

I don't know that they had a rotation of five post players, because really only Blalock and sometimes Hoffman were the ones you could dump it into in the post and she could find a way to score. They had five post players that played well and could score from the inside or out and were good finishers off of either a penetration and kick or off offensive rebounds.

Their zone also was able to contain those multi-dimensional players on the other team.

I think HPU's length (they all are long and have long arms), especially on defense, having that special player in Daniels and their ability to have three players carry you in scoring were the keys to them winning this title.

Next year will be interesting for sure.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: realist on March 24, 2008, 10:30:45 AM
Just curious about what any HPU fans that went to MI this past weekend thought of your experience there.  Did the "Dutch" treat you decently?
Do you know how tough it was to arrrange the snow just for you? :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HopeCSO on March 24, 2008, 11:05:29 AM
Quote from: realist on March 24, 2008, 10:30:45 AM
Just curious about what any HPU fans that went to MI this past weekend thought of your experience there.  Did the "Dutch" treat you decently?
Do you know how tough it was to arrrange the snow just for you? :)

I will pass this post onto the Grounds Crew so they can send you the bill for Friday night and Saturday morning snow removal.   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 24, 2008, 12:36:50 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 23, 2008, 05:48:49 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 22, 2008, 10:02:06 PM
It reminds me of a 99 yard touchdown run.  Someone may one day match it but nobody will ever surpass it! 
Can't you surpass that if you catch a kick in the endzone, and then run it clear down the field?  :)

The longest run from the line of scrimmage is 99 yards.  Tony Dorsett holds the Cowboy's record for such a run.  It can be tied but never broken.  What you describe is a return run.  An interception or fumble recovery could be run back for a 100 yard run, but not an offensive run from the line of scrimmage.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 24, 2008, 12:42:35 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 24, 2008, 12:19:37 AM
Before we all say good-bye to each other before the start of next year's basketball season, any final thoughts on what next years' teams will look like?  HPU and McM both lose a lot of key seniors.  I'd wonder if next year doesn't belong to HSU -- most of their players this year were not seniors, and they won all their games except those against McM and HPU.  The key will be recruiting, so I'm sure the coaches are already pounding the pavement.

I believe the big change at HPU will be at the position of head coach.  I simply can't believe that he will not be offered jobs at other places with more money and a greater opportunity to continue to advance his personal career.  I certainly don't know what the future holds; my own much less Coach K's, but I find it difficult to believe that his phone won't soon be ringing. 

Prepare yourselves!  I think it is inevitable that he departs. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 24, 2008, 01:24:18 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 24, 2008, 12:36:50 PM
...
The longest run from the line of scrimmage is 99 yards.  Tony Dorsett holds the Cowboy's record for such a run... 
in a game that the Cowboys lost! >:(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 24, 2008, 01:42:19 PM
Mr. Turner to me and I watched alot of HPUs games this year and if you polled the players their toughest games they played were against McMurry and HSU. Two very physical teams that will get after you till that final buzzer.  Hope was a good basketball team no doubt, but HPU should have beat them by double digits.  That is just my opinion because I was there and saw the game.  I feel that McMurry or HSU was in that final 4 they could very easily have one too.  The ASC is getting better and I hope that by HPU winning the championship that it will help all of the schools with recruiting so they can get good players to come play in what is becoming a very competative confrence.  THANKS for all the support you showed for HPU in their run I'm sure it meant alot to the girls as much as myself. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HopeConvert on March 24, 2008, 02:28:34 PM
Quote from: golfniz1 on March 24, 2008, 12:50:01 AM
mcmfan I believe that HSU, UT- Tyler, MHB, and Concordia are going to be some very solid ball clubs next year. After watching all these teams this year these teams seem to have the best nucleus of players coming back next year. HPU will be will be good team and they have a good group of recruits coming in and could be a darkhorse. yes Mac will be a solid group also they as HPU have some big shoes to fill. Hey big guy how about those Jackets???? ;D They played probably the best 2 defensive games that I have ever seen in Womens College Basketball they swarmed both UWWW and Messiah they did not have an answer for their 2-3 zone. It was a thing of beauty. Mcmfan you would have been proud! :D well im tired just got in from Michigan and going to bed so all you HPU doubters who were out there shame on you.  HPU THE NUMBER ! COOLEGE BASKTBALL TEAM IN D3 and the only undefeated team in NCAA whatever Division.  AWESOME   BABY as Dick Vital would say.

Bentley and Grand Valley in men's D2 are both undefeated., as is Delta State in DII women's.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bruzer on March 24, 2008, 03:21:17 PM
First post here  ;D

To answer your question MCMFAN...his last name is spelled Kielsmeier...yeah, pretty annoying d3hoops can't spell the D3 Coach of the Year's last name correctly!!!!   :P

Congratulations to the Lady Jackets and to Coach K and Coach Hat!!!  I am so unbelievably proud of you all!!!  Watching the game on Saturday I was beaming with pride and of course, jumping up and down in my living room.  ;D   
Knowing Coach K, Coach Hat and most of the players personally, I had tears in my eyes because I know how much hard work has gone into the years leading up to this National Championship.  I am sure that all of us who have been a part of the Lady Jacket program at one time or another are feeling that National Championship right along with you! 
Coach K, I have worked with a lot of great coaches in my time, and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that you are the greatEST coach I have known!  I am proud to call you a friend and I wish you the very best for your future.  Can't wait to hang out now that season is FINALLY over!!!   :)  Coach Hat - congratulations to the winningest assistant coach in women's basketball...hahahahaha!!!!  Love ya girl!!!  To my girls - Kim, Meia, Stacey, DP and the rest of the team, you will always have a special place in my heart.  It has been a pleasure watching you play and you have made me so proud seeing how you have overcome the obstacles in your life.  As Coach K said in his postgame interview, you are not just great players, but you are also great people.  Love you all!!!  Look forward to seeing you soon!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 24, 2008, 03:29:15 PM
one point behind ya pat!  ha ha
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 24, 2008, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: bruzer on March 24, 2008, 03:21:17 PM
First post here  ;D

To answer your question MCMFAN...his last name is spelled Kielsmeier...yeah, pretty annoying d3hoops can't spell the D3 Coach of the Year's last name correctly!!!!   :P

We actually fixed it on Saturday based on the earlier posts in here.

It's pretty annoying people can't bother to inform us of errors that have been on the site for years. If it escaped everyone's notice here for five years, including HPU fans, then how are we supposed to know?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 24, 2008, 03:33:33 PM
Quote from: Rob Don on March 24, 2008, 03:29:15 PM
one point behind ya pat!  ha ha

Congrats. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 24, 2008, 03:38:12 PM
That's why most of us just say Coach K :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 24, 2008, 05:00:51 PM
HopeConvert please excuse me  for the wrong info I posted, but if Im not wrong again they are still in there tournament and my info could be true before it is all said and done.  Oh well nobodies perfect are they?  I bet not even you. Did you attend the games this past weekend or sell your tickets like alot of the other posters from Hope?  The games were great and very entertaining. All the teams played hard and represented their colleges well all the fans from each of these schools should be proud. Hope College and Holland Michigan did an outstanding job in hosting this tournament.  HPU 33-0 now that is perfect. ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sand Man on March 24, 2008, 06:23:16 PM
Quote from: realist on March 24, 2008, 10:30:45 AM
Just curious about what any HPU fans that went to MI this past weekend thought of your experience there.  Did the "Dutch" treat you decently?
Do you know how tough it was to arrrange the snow just for you? :)

Beautiful community; amazing facility; and wonderful people.  Not to mention, some outstanding basketball.

Personally, I'll take a good 'ole Texas heat wave  :P over lake-effect snow any day, but my wife ansolutely loved seeing the snow.  I suppose it's genetic, after all before we got hitched, her last name was Vander Zee.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sand Man on March 24, 2008, 06:28:42 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 24, 2008, 03:38:12 PM
That's why most of us just say Coach K :)

Amen to that!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sand Man on March 24, 2008, 06:55:45 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 08:21:44 PM
Using HPU as a measuring stick, HPU is #1, Hope #2 and McMurry must be in the Top 5.

Are you sure you're using HPU as the measuring stick?  It appears McM is always your point of reference.  ;)

Nevertheless, I absolutely agree with your assessment.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 24, 2008, 07:31:13 PM
Quote from: Sand Man on March 24, 2008, 06:55:45 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 08:21:44 PM
Using HPU as a measuring stick, HPU is #1, Hope #2 and McMurry must be in the Top 5.
Are you sure you're using HPU as the measuring stick?  It appears McM is always your point of reference.  ;)
Nevertheless, I absolutely agree with your assessment.
Where applicable... ;)   :D   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 24, 2008, 09:53:34 PM
Final women's Top 25 posted.
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 24, 2008, 10:02:47 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 24, 2008, 01:58:35 AM
I think that we have seen the model to win it all.

The HSU, the McM and the HPU previous iterations (pre-2007) had deficiencies in the post.  (I will appreciate Chad Grubbs assessment as well.)

I think that Coach Kielsmeier had the "complete set of tools in the toolbox".  The national teams with the exception of Hope were similarly out-classed by HPU.  I believe that we could make a strong case for McMurry to be ranked as high as 3rd and most definitely 5th.

The thing that stands out for me is the HPU depth in the post...at least 4-5 players in the rotation is preferable.

As for next year, I like HSU and UMHB on the West and UT-Tyler on the East.  I am not sure what MissColl and LaCollege can bring in.

McMurry is losing three to graduation and maybe a 4th as well.  (Mission accomplished!  ;) )

come on Ralph... i think your forgetting about Schreiner!!!  ;)

sorry, that's just mean.  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 24, 2008, 10:09:19 PM
Pat looking at the final Top 25 for the women I would say that hits it about right on.  It's good to see Hope at 2nd because I thought talent wise they definitely would have won it all if they hadn't hit our road block in Brownwood.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HopeConvert on March 24, 2008, 10:46:15 PM
Quote from: golfniz1 on March 24, 2008, 05:00:51 PM
HopeConvert please excuse me  for the wrong info I posted, but if Im not wrong again they are still in there tournament and my info could be true before it is all said and done.  Oh well nobodies perfect are they?  I bet not even you. Did you attend the games this past weekend or sell your tickets like alot of the other posters from Hope?  The games were great and very entertaining. All the teams played hard and represented their colleges well all the fans from each of these schools should be proud. Hope College and Holland Michigan did an outstanding job in hosting this tournament.  HPU 33-0 now that is perfect. ;D

No problem. And I'm sure my wife would be more than happy to provide you with a list of my many imperfections.  ;) Given that I'm spending the semester in DC, I didn't have tickets to the games at DeVos. It did make it easier for me to get to Salem, however.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Scratch on March 24, 2008, 11:01:13 PM
Quote from: realist on March 24, 2008, 10:30:45 AM
Just curious about what any HPU fans that went to MI this past weekend thought of your experience there.  Did the "Dutch" treat you decently?
Do you know how tough it was to arrrange the snow just for you? :)
Top 10 reasons for a trip to the Final Four (in Holland, MI):
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sand Man on March 24, 2008, 11:05:10 PM

Some interesting notes about the legacy of the four HPU Lady Jacket seniors.

Over the past four seasons, HPU won an astonishing 109 games and incurred only 12 losses.  Of the 12 losses, the point difference in 9 of the losses was 6 points or less, of which 3 games were decided by only 3 points, 1 game was decided by 2 points, and 3 games were decided by only 1 point.  The 3 remaining losses, decided on point margins greater than 6 points, included a 77-68 loss to MC in Clinton, MS – the ASC, East Champion that year, a 64-48 loss to McM in Brownwood – the ASC Conference Champion that year, and a 73-64 loss to HSU, a Final Four team that year.  In addition, over the past four years, these seniors only lost in Brownwood on 4 occasions, and never, at home, to the same team twice.  :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 25, 2008, 12:01:33 AM
Ok I am going to stir the pot a little bit. Ralph, why do you  think McM is a top 5 team?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2008, 12:30:07 AM
Kinda hard to prove one way or the other. Are you going to give McMurry a hard time for losing to Howard Payne four times? Everyone lost to Howard Payne this year, as I read it.

Howard Payne won its games this season by an average of 27.8 points. McMurry lost its four games by an average of 13.5.

Dunno where you're expecting to go with this.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 25, 2008, 12:45:29 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2008, 12:30:07 AM
Kinda hard to prove one way or the other. Are you going to give McMurry a hard time for losing to Howard Payne four times? Everyone lost to Howard Payne this year, as I read it.

Howard Payne won its games this season by an average of 27.8 points. McMurry lost its four games by an average of 13.5.

Dunno where you're expecting to go with this.

Plus McMurry did have ONLY 5 loses.  four to HPU and one to Birmingham-Southern; which wasn't a bad team. i mean Birm.-Southern had a 7 lose season in the SCAC playing against Depauw and Oglethorpe!  Besides if you are looking at 'strength of schedule', wow playing the most dominate team of the year helps!  Over all McMurry had a great team and in another conf or region could have went deeper into the tourney.

(as an HPU alumni, saying all this nice stuff about McMurry is starting to give me headache!)  ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 25, 2008, 09:43:00 AM
Brownwood is having a parade to celebrate the HPU Lady Jackets National Championship.  It was originally planned for Thursday night but from what I heard on the radio this morning and from the HPU SID it will be moved to Saturday morning at 10am and run from the Brownwood Coliseum and go through Baker and Center street then to the HPU campus.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on March 25, 2008, 09:48:50 AM
I have been silent for the past couple of years but listening and watching in the background...
I just wanted to offer CONGRATS to HPU...It was an awsome run (and I am glad we were within 8)  After you got out of conference you made it look easy...maybe the competition is in the ASC and no one knows it.......
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on March 25, 2008, 09:50:07 AM
Sorry...glad we were within 8...don't know where that came from
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 25, 2008, 11:22:18 AM
I didn't plan on giving McM a hard time for losing to HPU. No disrespect to McM at all, they were a good team. I think McM was a top ten team, but not a top five team. Now if they had been in another bracket and gone further in the tourney than obviously it would be different. I was just curious Ralph's reasoning for McM being a top 5 team.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 25, 2008, 11:44:48 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 24, 2008, 03:32:54 PM
We actually fixed it on Saturday based on the earlier posts in here.

It's pretty annoying people can't bother to inform us of errors that have been on the site for years. If it escaped everyone's notice here for five years, including HPU fans, then how are we supposed to know?

Seriously, Pat, you can do better than blame the HPU fans and their failure to inform you of an error!  You just missed it and messed up.  It's that easy.  I have found it a whole lot easier to just call him, "Coach K!"   ;)

I have to say it again because I have not been one to post positive things about Coach K; Congratulations, sir, on the coach-of-the-year award and on leading your girls to an undefeated national championship.  You have made a believer out of me! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2008, 12:00:07 PM
I did miss it and mess up and fixed it promptly, actually while we were broadcasting the men's title game.

Just don't know why it took five years for someone to notice!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 25, 2008, 12:40:13 PM
Don't worry Pat people on this board write Mia Daniels instead of what it should be Meia.  You're not the only one forgetting an e or two :)

People forget how much work you as well as others do on these d3 websites.  It takes a lot of time and dedication away from your family and your day job. 

I also don't think many people realize how many times you've voted HPU #1 and that you actually picked them to win it all the past two years(If I remember last year correctly).  I'm just glad they were able to prove you right this year.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 25, 2008, 01:55:14 PM
Quote from: inthepaint on March 25, 2008, 11:44:48 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 24, 2008, 03:32:54 PM
We actually fixed it on Saturday based on the earlier posts in here.

It's pretty annoying people can't bother to inform us of errors that have been on the site for years. If it escaped everyone's notice here for five years, including HPU fans, then how are we supposed to know?

Seriously, Pat, you can do better than blame the HPU fans and their failure to inform you of an error!  You just missed it and messed up.  It's that easy.  I have found it a whole lot easier to just call him, "Coach K!"   ;)

I have to say it again because I have not been one to post positive things about Coach K; Congratulations, sir, on the coach-of-the-year award and on leading your girls to an undefeated national championship.  You have made a believer out of me! 

I'll never figure out the Karma point thing!  The above post earned me a loss of a point. 

I don't know if it was my calling Pat out for expressing his personal annoyance with HPU fans who failed to point out his spelling error of the coach-of-the-year's last name (I did so with the little winking guy) or my affirming Coach K once again.   ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on March 25, 2008, 02:07:05 PM
HPU Fans:

This is a little delayed but I did want to offer my sincere congratulations on winning the National Championship.  That is fantastic for your school, Brownwood, and the ASC.

Your team certainly earned it.  Congratulations.  And I offer my blessing (as if you needed it) to call your Coach, Coach K. ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 25, 2008, 02:10:49 PM
As did mine.  Like I've said before about the karma and smites.  Add them or take them away it makes no difference to me.

"But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."  Matthew 5:39

:):)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 25, 2008, 02:14:24 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 25, 2008, 02:10:49 PM
As did mine.  Like I've said before about the karma and smites.  Add them or take them away it makes no difference to me.

"But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."  Matthew 5:39

:):)

Obviously, I am not where I need to be!  I feel mortally wounded with every smite!  :o 

I will medidate upon the Matthew reference as the day progresses.  Maybe I will move closer to to your "add them or take them away, it makes no difference to me" position!  For now, I'm going to grab some grub. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 26, 2008, 01:29:04 AM
Quote from: Rob Don on March 25, 2008, 12:45:29 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2008, 12:30:07 AM
Kinda hard to prove one way or the other. Are you going to give McMurry a hard time for losing to Howard Payne four times? Everyone lost to Howard Payne this year, as I read it.

Howard Payne won its games this season by an average of 27.8 points. McMurry lost its four games by an average of 13.5.

Dunno where you're expecting to go with this.
Plus McMurry did have ONLY 5 loses.  four to HPU and one to Birmingham-Southern; which wasn't a bad team. i mean Birm.-Southern had a 7 lose season in the SCAC playing against Depauw and Oglethorpe!  Besides if you are looking at 'strength of schedule', wow playing the most dominate team of the year helps!  Over all McMurry had a great team and in another conf or region could have went deeper into the tourney.

(as an HPU alumni, saying all this nice stuff about McMurry is starting to give me headache!)  ???
I know about this playing nice.  I have typed "H-o-w-a-r-d P-a-y-n-e" correctly all week!   :D  ;)

Let me make my case for McMurry at Number five.

Only Hope was close this year.

In four games with HPU, McMurry got stomped in the first half of the first game (a 58-46 loss (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/wbball/2007/mcmhpuw1.htm)) and then held their own in the second game a 51-56 loss (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/wbball/2007/mcmhpuw2.htm).  In the second game, Daniels and Blalock "willed" themselves to a win in the last 6:03.  IMHO, that win clinches the Sectional for HPU.  Only Hope plays HPU closer this year.  In game three, the ASC tourney final (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/wbball/2007/mcmhpuw3.htm), HPU just romps (again).  However, the second round of the playoffs is another wild ride.  McMurry pulls back to within 6 points, and then Daniels drains three 3FG's to pull away.  Massey MOV has home court advantage in D3 at 4 points.  That is where I put HPU versus McMurry, at +10 points.  Only Hope comes closer.

Collateral support for McMurry at #5 might be obtained by virtue of the 60-50 win over tourney participant St Thomas at Colorado College in a game that was 32-15 (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/wbball/2007/mcmstw.htm#GAME.BOX) at the half.  The next weekend, McMurry travels nearly 1200 miles to Maryville TN to defeat tourney participant Greensboro, 70-49 (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/wbball/2007/mcmvgbc.htm).  McMurry also played Birmingham-Southern while BSC had a healthy Reba Ross (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/wbball/2007/bscvmcmu.htm).  BSC won that game 63-57 and went onto a 15-3 record in Reba's 18 games.  The losses (http://www.bscsports.net/Sports/wbball/2007-08/TEAMCUME.HTM) were to D-1 Centenary and Southern Miss and a 72-75 loss at Oglethorpe.

McMurry gets a good win over Trinity TX, 75-71 (http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/wbball/2007/mcmtrinw.htm)

I believed that the power conferences in the country at the top were the SCAC, the WIAC, Hope and the ASC.

On my mythical ballot, I would place them this way:

1)  HPU
2)  Hope (a very close second, too)
3)  UWW
4)  DePauw
5)  McMurry  (Please permit me my homerism here...  ;) )

6)  Messiah
7)  Oglethorpe (just because they ran out gas, lacking a post at this level).


Edited -- April 6, 2008.  I have subsequently read that Nikki Lobach, Messiah's All-American senior guard, hurt her hand badly at the end of the Oglethorpe game.  She surely was not 100% and was playing on "senior/last game ever" adrenaline.  I have reconsidered my Top 5 and now slip Messiah ahead of McMurry into 5th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 26, 2008, 09:04:38 AM
The day is coming, and will soon be here, when HSU is an automatic addition to any top ten list! 

Regroup and gear-up Cowgirls!  It's a long off season but 2009 will be here before you know it!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: twoblindrefs on March 26, 2008, 09:14:37 AM
Top 5 discussion:

How can you have Messiah 6th? They played in the National Championship, shot lights out in the semi-finals and played a very good Tufts team in the Elite Eight. While Hope may well be 2 (I haven't seen them), Messiah is the 2nd best team I have seen all year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 26, 2008, 10:10:35 AM
Quote from: twoblindrefs on March 26, 2008, 09:14:37 AM
Top 5 discussion:

How can you have Messiah 6th? They played in the National Championship, shot lights out in the semi-finals and played a very good Tufts team in the Elite Eight. While Hope may well be 2 (I haven't seen them), Messiah is the 2nd best team I have seen all year.
How can I have Messiah 6th?

Respectfully, because I think that side of the bracket was that weak, relative to the five teams that I have above them.

Messiah was dismantled by HPU and handled as effectively as they handled McMurry.  I saw the webcast of that game. Messiah pushed to within single digits in the second half, and HPU stretched it back out.  Most of my HPU friends think that the toughest defense played on Daniels this season came from McMurry's guards, Amber Horton and Dominique Brown.  Messiah did not have near the tenacity of defense in the front court that we saw in McMurry vs. HPU.

Messiah goes to Shani, and HPU counters with stronger defense than Messiah had seen in the tourney.

If Hope had won in Brownwood, then I think that Hope wins the tourney by 20 points in front of the home crowd.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 26, 2008, 11:06:57 AM
Ralph, YOU ROCK!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 26, 2008, 11:40:18 AM
Nice explanation Ralph, interesting points!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 26, 2008, 12:10:51 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on March 26, 2008, 11:40:18 AM
Nice explanation Ralph, interesting points!
Seth, I had one other thought about the defense that McMurry put on Daniels.

Meia scores 37 on Hope!  Does anyone of us think that McMurry's Amber Horton or Dominique Brown let Daniels score 37 points on them?  Hope took away the post play and got killed by Meia!

I was sitting with a friend from another part of the country who was seeing Meia for the first time as she played Hope.  He just kept nudging me and mumbling quietly...

"Daniels has score 9 points."
"Daniels has score 12 points."
...
"That's 17!"
...
"Thirty-seven points."

In fact, after Marcus Fitzsimmons, the Hoopsville South Region beat-reporter, saw Amber Horton, he thought that she was the most aggressvie defender that he had seen.   He really liked her defense.

IMHO, after Meia had had to go against Horton and Brown four times this year, she was ready for anyone else in the country.

And boy, her play in the tourney was a thing of beauty.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 26, 2008, 12:53:49 PM
Oglethorpe at home beat Trinity by 11; McMurry at home beat Oglethorpe by 3.

I had Oglethorpe ahead of Trinity. Because Messiah beat Oglethorpe, I had Messiah ahead as well.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 26, 2008, 01:17:08 PM
If we're all comparing scores then we have to look at the Messiah/Concordia game even though it was in Cancun.

Messiah beat CUA by 32 and McMurry beat CUA by 15 in Abilene then 7 in Austin.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 26, 2008, 01:45:26 PM
I agree that McM played the best defense on Meia. It may have been the opportunity to see her for so many games that they knew the best way to stop her. Horton and Brown defintely were more physical with Meia than anybody else was for sure.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 26, 2008, 02:24:15 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 26, 2008, 12:53:49 PM
Oglethorpe at home beat Trinity by 11; McMurry at home beat Oglethorpe by 3.

Pat,
When did McMurry play Oglethorpe?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 26, 2008, 02:29:57 PM
HPU had other weapons to help Meia and that was key in all their games this year.
By having these weapons it openrd alot up for her so she could do her thing.  As posted earlier McMurry and HSU were the 2 toughest over all teams that HPU played this year.  As good as Hope is I feel that if Hope would have played these 2 teams 4 and 3 times this year like HPU they would have lost to 1 or both of these teams.  Just my thought seeing all 3 teams play this year. Go HPU and the ASC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 26, 2008, 03:31:25 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 26, 2008, 12:53:49 PM
Oglethorpe at home beat Trinity by 11; McMurry at home beat Oglethorpe by 3.

I had Oglethorpe ahead of Trinity. Because Messiah beat Oglethorpe, I had Messiah ahead as well.
Oglethorpe (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/OGLE/womens/2008) beat Trinity by 3 at Hendrix in the post-season SCAC tourney.

Yeah, that is a good resume.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 26, 2008, 03:43:10 PM
I don't have a vote in the women's Top 25, but I think the voters have McMurry slotted appropriately.  That is, I don't see enough evidence to justify putting McMurry as high as number 5.

Four of the loses come to Howard Payne, which I don't hold against McMurry, given Howard Payne's undefeated run.  But it's also hard to use loses alone as proof of a team's strength.  Everyone lost to Howard Payne so that's not a distinguishing characteristic. 

If you want to compare margins of HPU defeats between McMurry and the tournament teams, McMurry lost to Howard Payne by 12 and 15 on the road.  That's better than DeSales (who is ranked below McMurry) and worse than Hope (who is ranked above McMurry).  On a neutral floor McMurry lost to HPU by 22.  That's far worse than either Messiah or UW-Whitewater did.  That's also worse than Chapman fared, though that's going really far back.

McMurry's other loss came to Birmingham-Southern.  You could throw that out since the Panthers still have scholarship players.  Then again, BSC was beaten by unranked Hendrix and Rhodes so it's not like beating the Panthers was an impossible task.  I'd call it a wash and just ignore it.

While McMurry is admittedly a victim of its geographic placement, there aren't any wins on their schedule against ranked teams.  St. Thomas and Greensboro made the tournament but didn't receive a single vote in the final poll.  Trinity (Texas) got just two votes and was beaten by larger margins by Carthage (at home) and Oglethorpe.  Like the HSU wins, these are nice but they don't look better than other teams' victories over ranked opponents.

And if you play the comparative score game again, Oglethorpe had a larger margin of victory against Trinity at home than McMurry did.  Oglethorpe beat Trinity by one less point in the SCAC playoffs than McMurry did in the NCAA playoffs, but the Stormy Petrels played on a neutral court, not at home.

This isn't intended to pick on McMurry who had a great season.  And I know they can't help their isolation or the reported absence of willing opponents.  But there really isn't much to justify putting McMurry higher other than a shared affiliation with the champion.

PS – I'd consider the UAA and NESCAC as stronger conferences than the ASC based on the strength of the top four teams in each.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 26, 2008, 04:20:56 PM
I am glad to get the discussion of the ASC by the gurus.  :)

Since the ASC-West swept the ASC-East in the post-season tourney, I think that we must use HPU, McM, HSU and UMHB as the top of the ASC.

The games versus NESCAC and UAA teams by ASC opponents include only the Concordia-TX win over Carnegie Mellon (7-18/0-14) by 56-65.

Respectfully, the last 4 BSC losses occurred in the last 7 games, when Reba Ross was injured.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mytwocents on March 26, 2008, 05:09:53 PM
Excuse me Ralph.  I did not see it posted here but Messiah did beat DePauw by 14 on a neutral court.  I understand you are proud of HP and your conference (deservedly so) but cut us Yankees some slack. :)  You would rank Messiah 6th?  Geesh. IMHO D3hoops final ranking is spot on.  Whatever, Besh Wishes to You and all the HP faithfull.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 26, 2008, 05:42:53 PM
Messiah was a good basketball team and very well coached and to me they should have been #3 if not #2. Thomas Moore lost early in the tournament 65-55 to Ogelthorpe whom Messiah beat by 20 pts in the final 4 when the Stormy Petrels came in on a roll. In that final against HPU they had no answer for the zone they played .  My top 5 would be 1. HPU  2. Hope  3. Messiah  4. Thomas Moore  5.  Wisconsin Whitewater.  ASC is a good conference and can play with any conference in D3 and its only going to get better. With HPU winning the Walnut and Bronze  ??? hopefully with that draw better recruits to the Lonestar State and make our conference even better.  ASC will very much be able to compete with the UAA or NESCAC no doubt.

   HOWARD PAYNE UNIVERSITY D3 NATIONAL CHAMPS that speaks for the ASC on its own merit!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 26, 2008, 06:00:31 PM
Quote from: mytwocents on March 26, 2008, 05:09:53 PM
Excuse me Ralph.  I did not see it posted here but Messiah did beat DePauw by 14 on a neutral court.  I understand you are proud of HP and your conference (deservedly so) but cut us Yankees some slack. :)  You would rank Messiah 6th?  Geesh. IMHO D3hoops final ranking is spot on.  Whatever, Best Wishes to You and all the HP faithful.
Thanks for the comment.

I went back to the DePauw record and saw the three quality losses... at Thomas More, to Messiah in Cancun by 14 and at BSC (with Reba Ross (http://www.bscsports.net/Sports/wbball/2007-08/GAME-14.HTM)) by 13.  (You can see how much difference Reba Ross meant to B-SC.)  DePauw ran the table in the SCAC.

I appreciate the discussion by the contributors.  Even tho' 11th place at 361 votes is respectable, Simpson at 10th and 362 votes is just so close and sounds more impressive!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sand Man on March 26, 2008, 08:23:58 PM
If HPU had to play Messiah 3 more times this season, twice at home, and once in Messiah, IMHO Messiah would have learned from HPU just like McM did, and would have played HPU much closer in those games.  Until a team matched up against it, I don't think they could fully appreciate how good "swarm" zone defense HPU plays.  I know that I would not want HPU to have to face Nikki Lobach again, after she's had an opportunity to get familiar with the players and the defense.  As such, I believe Messiah was a better team than McM, and well deserving of the #3 final ranking.

I'd also say if Meia Daniels was prepared for tournament play by Amber Horton's and Brown's defense, which I would.  I'd also say Amber Horton and Brown became better defenders for McM, as a result of facing the DIII Player of the Year more times than any other players in the country this season.  You can't help but become very familiar with each other, playing as often as these two teams have (12 times over the past 4 years, of which, by the way, HPU won 10 of the 12, with an average margin of victory of 13 points per game).

Without a doubt, the ASC as a whole helped set the stage for HPU's road to the National Championship.  Not just this year, but for the past several years, and the final results speak for themselves.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sand Man on March 26, 2008, 11:30:22 PM
Congratulations to the UMHB and LeTourneau women's basketball teams, coaches, and fans for being awarded the ASC Sportsmanship Awards for Winter Sports.

Hats off to HPU and LC men as well, for the same.

http://www.ascsports.org/Pdfs/gen/2008/3/26/WinterSAACSportsmanship0708.pdf

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2008, 12:44:20 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 26, 2008, 01:29:04 AM
...

I believed that the power conferences in the country at the top were the SCAC, the WIAC, Hope and the ASC.

On my mythical ballot, I would place them this way:

1)  HPU
2)  Hope (a very close second, too)
3)  UWW
4)  DePauw
5)  McMurry  (Please permit me my homerism here...  ;) )

6)  Messiah
7)  Oglethorpe (just because they ran out gas, lacking a post at this level).
:D :D :D
I went to our old friend Massey (http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=6).

Here is his final computation.

        Team                W    L      Rating          Sched       Conf
*Howard Payne3401.683(1)1.09(5)ASC
-1Hope3011.161(2)0.49(25)MIAA
-2WI Whitewater2941.118   (3)1.57(1)WIAC
-3DePauw28   40.905(4)0.90(9)SCAC
-4   WI Stevens Pt   24   50.903(5)1.25   (3)WIAC
-5   McMurry2550.889   (6)0.92(7)ASC
-6Messiah303   0.887(7)0.60(17)Mid Atl
-7WI Eau Claire23   70.851( 8 )1.43   (2)   WIAC

He "snuck" Stevens Point in on me.  ;)


Massey MOV (http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=1)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 27, 2008, 07:46:56 AM
He also gave HPU an extra win.  Does he count the bye in the tournament as a victory :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 27, 2008, 09:34:19 AM
Ralph provided the link if you'd like to look for yourself.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 27, 2008, 09:42:55 AM
I saw that a while back before the conference tournament.  It showed HPU at 26-0.  They counted the Dallas Christian game twice.  I wonder if the 2nd one was taken out how that would affect the strength of schedule if it did at all.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2008, 02:29:44 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 27, 2008, 09:42:55 AM
I saw that a while back before the conference tournament.  It showed HPU at 26-0.  They counted the Dallas Christian game twice.  I wonder if the 2nd one was taken out how that would affect the strength of schedule if it did at all.
I think it would make it better!  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2008, 03:19:58 PM
Hi ASC Fans!  I just realized one other thing...

We are gonna hafta look at the HPU women hoisting the Walnut and Bronze on the banner across the home page of D3Hoops.com for a whole year, when Pat Coleman updates the banner!

:-\

I guess it is better to have HPU up there...than Hope or Messiah or UWW...

:D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 27, 2008, 04:01:04 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2008, 03:19:58 PM
Hi ASC Fans!  I just realized one other thing...

We are gonna hafta look at the HPU women hoisting the Walnut and Bronze on the banner across the home page of D3Hoops.com for a whole year, when Pat Coleman updates the banner!

:-\

I guess it is better to have HPU up there...than Hope or Messiah or UWW...

:D


   OH WHAT A BEAUTIFUL SIGHT THAT WILL BE! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mytwocents on March 27, 2008, 04:59:14 PM
Just thought some HP faithfull would appreciate the read. Again Congrats you have a very special team this year.

Article on Messiah's memorable run by Falcons assistant athletics director for PR & Marketing, Cory Furman.

http://www.messiah.edu/athletics/womens_basketball/2007-08/stories/Mar_26.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sand Man on March 27, 2008, 07:42:34 PM
Quote from: mytwocents on March 27, 2008, 04:59:14 PM
Just thought some HP faithfull would appreciate the read. Again Congrats you have a very special team this year.

Article on Messiah's memorable run by Falcons assistant athletics director for PR & Marketing, Cory Furman.

http://www.messiah.edu/athletics/womens_basketball/2007-08/stories/Mar_26.html

Very Nice.  Thanks for sharing.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2008, 09:15:47 PM
Quote from: mytwocents on March 27, 2008, 04:59:14 PM
Just thought some HP faithfull would appreciate the read. Again Congrats you have a very special team this year.

Article on Messiah's memorable run by Falcons assistant athletics director for PR & Marketing, Cory Furman.

http://www.messiah.edu/athletics/womens_basketball/2007-08/stories/Mar_26.html
+1   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kate on March 28, 2008, 10:54:49 AM
Good morning, dballa.  You sound like such a great person, it really proves my theory that all of us who live & breath D3 basketball are like one big family.  We follow the Delaware Valley College Aggies - they're in the MAC, but in the other half - Messiah in the Commonwealth & the Aggies in the Freedom.  It would be fun to all get together one day.  In the meantime, congrats to HPU!  Almost forgot, DeSales is our sister school, also in the Freedom half of the MAC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 28, 2008, 11:45:04 AM
Kate thanks for the kind words.  I'm sure a few McMurry fans would disagree with you since we've had a little fun the past few years getting on each others nerves :)  I'm glad articles like those are written so we can actually see what these players are like off the court. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 28, 2008, 02:52:29 PM
balla you going to the Parade this weekend for the HPU Yellowjacket Womens D#3 National Champions?  Man does that sound nice! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 28, 2008, 02:56:10 PM
I definitely will be there in the morning.  Since I wasn't able to go to Michigan it will be a good chance for me to finally say congrats to the ladies in person. 

From what I hear Dallas Huston will be speaking along with Mayor Bert Massey as well as lunch being served.  I'm sure Coach K will get on the microphone too.  It should be a pretty fun morning.

golfniz1 are you and your family planning on coming?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 28, 2008, 05:14:07 PM
My wife will be there, but I had to stay behind wished I could have gone.  The girls and especially #22 will be on my mind and in my heart.  What a special group of young ladies and their accomplishments.  Have to be considered one of the best D3 National Championship teams of all time. Have fun daballa wish I could there. >:(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 28, 2008, 05:16:54 PM
mcmfan give me your prediction on next season in the ASC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 28, 2008, 05:19:49 PM
Don't worry you will still have one more big event to attend at the Brownwood Coliseum on May 10th.  I think #22 would rather see you there celebrating those achievements than at a parade :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 28, 2008, 05:34:14 PM
Amen my friend Amen :) I am not going to know what to do on weekends anymore now that 22 is graduating.  Guess I'm going to have to start playing golf.  My wife is going to love it. >:(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on March 28, 2008, 06:20:01 PM
I know I'm a little bit late but congratulations to the women of both McMurry and Howard Payne on excellent seasons. This is a great time for the ASC. As I scan the baseball and softball polls it appears that we definetly have the ability to contend for other postseason awards and this is good for us all.

Congrats to HPU, the players, the students, the parents, administrators, and alumni, this is a day to celebrate :).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sand Man on March 30, 2008, 01:22:09 AM

What an exciting day for the Howard Payne University faithful!  The parade, and ensuing celebration, in typical Baptist fashion, which included food and fellowship, was an outstanding tribute to the "Perfect Swarm".  Thank you Derrick Stuckly – Brownwood Bulletin sports writer – for coining that phrase.  The day included a proclamation by the State of Texas, the pronouncement of March 29th as "Lady Jacket Day" by the City of Brownwood, a little roasting of Coach K, and some very nice speeches by other dignitaries, including the university's beloved Chancellor, Dr. Don Newbury, Coach K, Meia Daniels, and Dallas Huston.  Rick Adkins, congratulations for being presented with an autographed basketball from Coach K.  The kids and I had to go through the line, but my daughter got the final team member signature she needed on her basketball, and the rest of the family got autographed pictures as well.

So many memorable moments today, to add to the multitude already accumulated this season and really over the past several years.  Notable moments today, included the 33 blue and gold flags that semi-circled today's events on campus.  That was a lot of flags, and then to realize that each one represented a winning game this season, helped to emphasize just how special a season this truly was.  Dallas Huston – the voice of the Lady Jackets radio broadcasts – summed it up best I think in stating that this may very well be the best team we'll ever see in our lifetimes.  This, coming from a man who has seen some really great teams, including several Gordon Wood era Brownwood High School football teams, over an impressive career of his own, speaks volumes about this year's Lady Jacket's success.  However, no one will soon forget that the freshman class is undefeated, and that the sophomore class is an amazing 61 – 2, mainly, because they won't let you.  Isn't that right coach?  Also, seniors, what a way to end a fabulous college career.  As you graduate, always know that you have a host of folks cheering for you, as you move from one stage in life and into another.  Some that you know very well, but many that you'll never know by name, but will never forget you.

From all of the wonderful comments made at today's events, my favorite came from Coach K himself, when he talked about what it takes to win a national championship.  While continually giving all of the praise and acknowledgement to his team and to the abilities and hard work of his players and staff, he capped it off this way, "When ya' got...ya' got!"

Congratulations 2007-2008 Lady Jackets, Coach K, Coach Hatfield and trainers.  You've definitely got it...and as a result, in the end, you got to experience it all.  I'm just grateful to have been able to share the ride.  It's been fun!  :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 30, 2008, 02:42:05 PM
HSU is the highest ranked team in the final Massey MOV rankings (http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=1) not to make the playoffs.

IMHO, had HSU beaten TU early in the season when Coach Briggs was rebuilding her team, HSU would have made the playoffs!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 30, 2008, 11:24:50 PM
Very well put Sandman this team as posted before has to be rated as the best National Champion of all time in D3 womens basketball. They ended up being the only undefeated team in the NCAA that includes men and women teams.  They were a very balanced and deep team whom after watching the D2 games could have played with them too.  As daballa has stated before DEFENSE wins championships and that is a proven fact just look at HPUs defense they were relentless in these playoffs and throughout the year.  So HPU you enjoy your championship it was very well deserved and what a way for the seniors to go out.  YOU ARE TRULY #1  ;D :D :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 30, 2008, 11:29:54 PM
I think you might be a little off the deep end in saying they HAVE to be rated as the best national champion of all time.

There were four previous unbeaten national champions in Division III women's basketball. I suspect the 2000 Wash U team, which won the national semifinal by 34 and the title game by 46, would garner quite a few votes.

Wash U won its five games in the tournament by an average of 26.8 points.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 31, 2008, 11:34:03 AM
I agree with you Pat.  If HPU goes 33-0 next year and wins the national championship, then people can start making comparisons.  What Washington did is unbelievable, and that may never be done again by any team at any level.

   Was it just me, or did anyone else at the ceremony want to laugh when our mayor got up and spoke and gave the proclamation?  Unless my mind is completely gone, I never remember him attending any HPU basketball games.  I find him to be quiet humorous.  At this last years HPU Homecoming parade, he wore his UT cap.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 31, 2008, 04:06:02 PM
Hey Pat different times than back in 99-2000 it is alot harder to finish a season undefeated now than back then.  The payers are more sound in skills, bigger,faster, and stronger than those days. You have your opinions and I have mine.  What HPU did this year to me is hard to do finish the season undefeated with the quality of players that are out there playing in D3.  How many teams in the NCAA any Division men or women finished their seasons undefeated?  I would be willing to go out on a limb and say if HOPE would have won everyone would have said the same about them the best ever ,maybe even you.  So I will stick to my guns on this, no matter how insane it may seem to you.  Little harsh saying "I might be over the deep end."
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WWWRHH on March 31, 2008, 04:44:40 PM
A Hope fan here....and I am not going to make any comments about the HPU / Hope game...

I don't think that everyone would have named this year's team the best ever D3 champion and maybe not the best Hope team  This year's edition was, in my opinion, deeper than the '06 team. 

The '06 team won every tournament game on the road and had to beat DePauw and  Washington U the same weekend.  The '06 group had three of this years starters, but also had Bria Ebels playing point guard.  Not to take anything away from Henderson and Green, but Ebels was possibly the best all-around player I have seen at the D3 level including Davis.   

However, Washington U. was a great team and not just for one year, so I think it would be hard to argue against the group that won four consecutive championships.  That is greatness.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 31, 2008, 05:16:38 PM
Quote from: golfniz1 on March 31, 2008, 04:06:02 PM
Hey Pat different times than back in 99-2000 it is alot harder to finish a season undefeated now than back then.

According to whom? We had three teams enter the tournament unbeaten this year. How hard exactly?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 31, 2008, 05:18:29 PM
Quote from: WWWRHH on March 31, 2008, 04:44:40 PM
I think it would be hard to argue against the group that won four consecutive championships.  That is greatness.

Exactly. Maybe golfniz didn't know that it was part of a four-year stretch.

Those who don't know history are doomed to make outlandish statements.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 31, 2008, 05:54:25 PM
Being a HPU fan and still on cloud nine about HPU's national championship, I just can't comprehend a team going undefeated 2 years in a row, and winning 4 straight national championships.  I think golfniz is speaking out of emotion at this time.  You can't compare 1 year vs 4 years.  It's apples to oranges.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 31, 2008, 05:56:58 PM
Did they finish that way?  Alls I can say nice 4 year stretch for Washington  As stated before its my opinion and I'm entitled to that just as you are to make some of your outlandish remarks.  So peace!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 31, 2008, 06:05:18 PM
That's fine. I'm just trying to lend an unbiased reality check to the statements, as someone who's seen a little bit more of Division III history than I believe you have.

And I haven't seen all of Division III history, either, which is why I was cautious not to state anything as an absolute. No team HAS to be rated as the best Division III team of all time. Some have to be considered, but nobody HAS to be crowned automatically since it's hard to tell who is head and shoulders above the rest.

Except, possibly, for the one that won 80-plus consecutive games. HPU is off to a good start, at 33 and counting.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 31, 2008, 06:09:24 PM
Thats fine Pat like I said its my opinion and being a n HPU fan can you blame me?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 31, 2008, 06:11:51 PM
Why did you dock me 2 karma points?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 31, 2008, 06:23:59 PM
Each user can only do one per 24 hours, so must've been someone else.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sand Man on March 31, 2008, 07:11:15 PM

Hey golfniz1, I can certainly appreciate your enthusiasm.
 
Best ever?  We'll have to leave that to the historians.  ;)

However, there are few things that can't be argued.  Such as, forever this team will be remembered as the ASC's first National Champion in any team sport!  Others may come, very soon I hope, but this year's team will forever be the first.  To go undefeated, also puts this team in a very elite group, for sure, in any sport.

A great team, leaving behind a great legacy, and great memories, and outstanding individuals carrying forward a bright future!  Does it get any better than that, and really does it need to?

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sand Man on March 31, 2008, 07:54:51 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 31, 2008, 11:34:03 AM

Was it just me, or did anyone else at the ceremony want to laugh when our mayor got up and spoke and gave the proclamation?  Unless my mind is completely gone, I never remember him attending any HPU basketball games.  I find him to be quiet humorous.  At this last years HPU Homecoming parade, he wore his UT cap.


As a matter of fact I did laugh, but I normally do whenever I here him give a speech.  :D

I'm so focused, even before the game begins, >:(  I don't notice many folks, other than the regulars that I sit near.  The mayor isn't one of these.

If he didn't come to any of the games  ???, or for anyone else that didn't, it was their loss.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 31, 2008, 09:48:17 PM
One other perspective on the players that play in the UAA (Washington St Louis' conference)...

Somewhat facetiously but with a very large grain of truth, the players in the UAA are the ones who turned down a full athletic ride at a mid-major/majors for the chance to go to an outstanding academic institution for an education.

We all talk the same game about student-athletes in D-III, and I am proud that Tarra Richardson's 3.9 GPA Finance Major at McMurry can be mentioned in the same breath as Washington-St Louis' Troy Ruths' 4.0 Computer Science Major as Jostens Winners, but those UAA players are truly outstanding student-athletes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sand Man on March 31, 2008, 11:47:19 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 05, 2007, 12:11:16 AM
...(I will post my thoughts on the Best ASC teams later on this season.)... 

Mr. Turner,

Did you ever post your thoughts on the Best ASC teams, or did I miss it somewhere along the way?   ::)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2008, 12:21:49 AM
Here's a place to start the discussion.

1)   2008 HPU  National champs
2)   2006 HSU  Final Four, called Cinderella; first ASC appearance in the Final Four
3)   2003 HSU  Lost in Sweet 16 to National Champs
4)   2004 HSU  Lost to UW-SP in the Elite 8
5)   2000 HSU  Lost in Elite 8 after losing one of the great games in the McM-HSU rivalry.
6)   2008 McM  Best of the McMurry playoff teams.
7)   2007 HPU  Learned the lessons that made 2008 effective
8 )  2000 McM  Beat #10 Simpson; beat Hendrix before losing at #6 HSU in the Sweet 16.
9)   2006 McM  Woulda, shoulda, coulda...Lost to Cinderella in the first round.
10) 2001 HSU  Lost in the Sweet 16.

I also think that the ASC has gotten tougher draws in the first rounds than HSU got thru 2004.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 01, 2008, 10:15:42 AM
Dr. Don Newbury's Article "NCAA Abandon's Hope" (http://www.brownwoodbulletin.com/articles/2008/04/01/opinion/doc47f1c259ab5fa125727938.txt/)

This is a great article as is pretty much everything he writes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on April 01, 2008, 09:40:36 PM
OK let me get something started here it is getting boring.  Guys and gals who is going to to be the pre-season pick for ASC player of the year for 2008-2009? ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on April 01, 2008, 11:16:37 PM
I am still hanging around this room on occassion since I made so many friends on my trip to Texas a few weeks ago.

I have enjoyed reading the banter and want to congratulate the Lady Jackets on a great season and for winning the National Title.

I just wanted to weigh in on the debate over the last few days about the '08 Howard Payne being the best ever.

I have been fortunate in my 12 years watching Division III basketball to see some really good teams and some really good players.  DeSales plays in the Freedom Conference who up until last year included The University of Scranton and King's College, who have each had great teams and great players.  I also worked at Johns Hopkins University during the 1999-00 season and got to see the Washington U. dynasty play once that year.  And of course this year I was able to see HPU play in their undefeated season.

Here are my opinions.  The Wash U. team of 1999-00 was the last of the great teams if I remember correctly in the Wash. U, era (although its tough when to be great you have to make a Final Four, which I guess is the standard Wash U., has on themselves these days).  I think they won the national title in 2001 too, but the 99-00 verson was the better team of the two.  They had two really, really, really good post players (Alia Fischer and Tasha Rodgers).

This year's HPU team was awesome.  They did something very tough to do and that is beat a good McMurry team 4 times.  They always say its tough to beat a team 3 times, well they did it four.  Then they cruised the rest of the way.  Sure Hope gave them a good game, and I did not stick around to see it, but I think by reading the box score, they could have played all night long and Daniels just would not have let them lose and Hope had no answer for her (but then again who did).  WIth that being said, like Wash U., HPU has two stud players (Daniels and Blalock).

Its really tough to compare era's but I will say this, Fischer would have been a very difficult match-up for even Blalock and I am not sure how HPU would have stopped Rodgers at the PF position.  She was really good.  But in the same sentence, I am not sure Wash. U. could have stopped Daniels.  I'll say this about Daniels.  I always feel that good guard play wins national titles, Daniels was the best guard I have seen in my 12 years at the Division III level.  She was SILLY GOOD.  I think its crazy she only won ONE national title, but that's just proof that teams win national titles and not players, the pieces just all came together this year.

The time I saw Wash. U play they beat Hopkins that year by 36 at Hopkins (it wasn't even that close, the game was over in the first 10 minutes).  A tough trip from Missouri to Maryland and they still hammered us.  And Hopkins was 21-6 that season with a really good team and a really, really good point guard (Leslie Ritter) and a really strong post presence (Marjhana Segers). Fischer ate Segers alive and Ritter was controlled.  Of course this year HPU beat DeSales handily, although we did hang for a bit in the first half (only allowing 23 points) and when Burke hit back-to-back treys in the second half it was only a 9-point game, followed by a 23-2 HPU run that sealed our fate.

Golfniz...with all due respect and as good as Daniels is, I would give the edge to that Wash U., team.  They were good, with solid guards who got the job done and two post players that could do it all and dominated games.  Don't take this as disrespect to HPU.   I was more than impressed with everything about them, the players, the coaches, the gameday staff, the gym (I loved it), the community, etc...

With that being said, I am not sure I will ever see a player better than Daniels.  If I were starting a team and I had the first pick of the draft and the all-time list of women's Division III players was at my disposal, I'd take Daniels and build around her.

Ok back to the spring for me.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on April 01, 2008, 11:53:21 PM
DSU-SID welcome back and thank you for your comments.  By the way what did you shoot in your round of golf when you were down?  The weather was great if I'm not mistaken.  I think alot of HPUs success was due to the type of defense that we ran.  From the sweet 16 games to the final 4 everyone ran man to man and we were the only zone team that I saw.  DeSales I dont believe had played against an aggressive zone like that all year as Wisconsin WW and Messiah did and it caught them off guard.  The zone defense we ran does not allow you very many transition baskets as does a man to man.  No disrespect to Washington U. no doubt had 4 very good basketball teams but this HPU team was just that "a good all around team" from the starters to the bench.  When Coach K put his bench players in the intensity did not drop off and he could go 5 to 6 deep. So I will not compare the two  :) as Sandman said "we will let the historians do that."
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on April 01, 2008, 11:56:21 PM
Man people are being harsh with karma now I know how inthepaint feels!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2008, 11:59:36 PM
Thanks BJ
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on April 02, 2008, 12:05:01 PM
Golfniz - I shot 88.  Greens were aerated (so putting was difficult) but I could tell once things turned green in the summer, that the course was a really nice one.  I played OK for the first time out since October.

I will agree with you on the zone defense.  But I don't think its the zone that makes you so effective as much as it is the players, playing the zone.  You had the perfect roster of players to play that zone.  Quick guards, who can recover well on skip passes and have long arms.  Then down low Blalock was 6-2 with very long arms, so she just clogged and controlled the middle of the paint allowing the two post wings the freedom to roam about on the sideline/baseline.  Its a very effective zone with the right personnel.  And you certainly had the right personnel.   We could practice all we want in practice against our third team on the zone but I am not sure there is a team in the country that can re-create the kind of pressure, recover ability and inside presence HPU had in that zone during a game.  It is tough to prepare for when the personnel playing it is so perfectly suited.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 02, 2008, 01:09:52 PM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on April 02, 2008, 12:05:01 PM
...   We could practice all we want in practice against our third team on the zone but I am not sure there is a team in the country that can re-create the kind of pressure, recover ability and inside presence HPU had in that zone during a game.  It is tough to prepare for when the personnel playing it is so perfectly suited.
Which makes the case for male practice players... ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on April 02, 2008, 04:15:31 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 02, 2008, 01:09:52 PM
Quote from: BJ - DSU SID on April 02, 2008, 12:05:01 PM
...   We could practice all we want in practice against our third team on the zone but I am not sure there is a team in the country that can re-create the kind of pressure, recover ability and inside presence HPU had in that zone during a game.  It is tough to prepare for when the personnel playing it is so perfectly suited.
Which makes the case for male practice players... ;)

I would guess that all the contendors in DIII utilize a male practice squad/scout team.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on April 02, 2008, 06:39:30 PM
BJ yes you are correct the personnel is key to the zone.  I saw quite a few teams play this year and wondered why alot of these teams didn't run a zone.  Most of the teams didn't have that type of personnel to run man to man and be effective.  I noticed that Rutgers played a very aggressive zone against Connecticut and was very successful till the end when the Huskies finally hit some outside shots.

88 not bad and you are right about the greens right now they are in transition and tougher to putt. I'm pretty sure you could not play to much in Pennsylvania back then  because of the weather and all.  So you will be given a mulligan on another game if you come back to Texas. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sioux on April 04, 2008, 12:24:46 PM
Any news on recruits for next year in the ASC?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on April 04, 2008, 02:38:30 PM
Quote from: dballa on April 01, 2008, 10:15:42 AM
Dr. Don Newbury's Article "NCAA Abandon's Hope" (http://www.brownwoodbulletin.com/articles/2008/04/01/opinion/doc47f1c259ab5fa125727938.txt/)

This is a great article as is pretty much everything he writes.

thanks for posting that, i had read it but didn't think to post it on here!

here is a link to the latest issue which talks about Dr. Newbury's struggles to actually get to the final four.

http://www.speakerdoc.com/Idle%20American.htm (http://www.speakerdoc.com/Idle%20American.htm)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2008, 12:20:53 AM
Breanna Anderson-Burton is a back-up guard on the McMurry basketball team.  She also just jumped the second-longest distance in the Triple Jump this year, 11.71 meters.

McMurry has the two longest jumpers in the Triple Jump this year.

Texas Twilight Meet (http://www.texassports.com/doc_lib/000_stats/tk/tf_041908_results.htm).

Raceberry Jam (http://www.raceberryjam.com/indexod.html)  Click on Outdoor; then click on the 2008 best performances.

It is clearly possible that Breanna will be an All-American in track this year if she qualifies and scores a point in the National meet.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on April 23, 2008, 12:39:19 PM
I just heard today that HPU's Meia Daniels had a tryout with the WNBA Orlanda Dream and even had a call back.  Not sure what the result of the call back was.  She also has several European teams after her.  Good luck to her and apparently that will put law school on hold :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 29, 2008, 02:23:50 PM
Congratulations to Tarra Richardson (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/resources/file/eb04d509ac1ea72/PGS%20Winter%202007-08%20W.pdf?MOD=AJPERES) for being one of 29 Winter Female NCAA Athletes to win an NCAA Post-graduate Scholarship.  Tarra is one of 9 women competing in the winter sports in D-III to receive this scholarship.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 29, 2008, 08:44:29 PM
Ralph,
  I know this is the women's hoops board, but Tyler Winford also earned one of the 29 Male Post-graduate scholarships. Not a bad year for the ASC with a national championship for HPU and two of the 58  Post-graduate scholarships awarded by the NCAA.
Tyler Winford (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/resources/file/eb04fd09ad023e5/PGS%20Winter%202007-08%20M.pdf?MOD=AJPERES)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on May 08, 2008, 09:09:48 AM
Kielsmeier leaving HPU for NCAA Division II program Wayne State
By Derrick Stuckly - Brownwood Bulletin
Published: Wednesday, May 7, 2008 5:24 PM CDT
The Howard Payne Lady Jackets' undefeated run to the NCAA Division III women's basketball national championship turned head coach Chris Kielsmeier into one of the hottest commodities throughout the country. With numerous job offers pouring in, one proved too good for Kielsmeier to refuse.

After nine seasons -- the last eight as head coach -- Kielsmeier is leaving Howard Payne to become the head coach at Division II Wayne State College in Wayne, Neb., located 100 miles northwest of Omaha and four hours from his hometown in Iowa.

Kielsmeier broke the news to the returning members of the Lady Jackets roster during a team meeting Wednesday afternoon. More information on this story will appear later on the Brownwood Bulletin Web site and in Thursday's print edition.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 08, 2008, 10:15:07 AM
It's also covered on our front page (http://www.d3hoops.com).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on May 08, 2008, 10:44:41 AM
And how many HPU fans said that speculation that Kielsmeier would leave was just that -- speculation?  So, now I suppose we can start speculating about what this means for the ASC, and my guess is that it sets things up for HSU next year.  HPU and McM both graduate key players while most of HSU's starters will return; and HSU has a recognized coach with a recognized program.  HSU this year won every ASC game it played except against HPU and McM.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on May 08, 2008, 12:50:03 PM
You didn't hear it from me.  I, as a HPU fan, would have been greatly surprised, if he hadn't taken this opportunity to find a better job.  I'm really surprised he stayed as long as he did.  I'm sure glad he did.  HSU and Mary Hardin Baylor will be the teams to beat next year.  Anytime you have a coaching change, you usually loose a player or two, due to personality conflicts, etc.  Chris had some good young players, and I hope they all decide to stay at HPU. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 08, 2008, 06:38:02 PM
Coach K,

Thanks for making ASC basketball even better!  You pushed the conference to get better, and I think that we all responded.  We saw some great basketball from your Lady Jackets when they took the floor.  The match-ups versus HSU, McMurry, Mississippi College, UMHB, etc. were always greatly anticipated.

Best wishes!

(IMHO, the little secret is that there is nothing in D2 that compares with D3hoops.com!   ;)   :D   ;D )
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gottaluvhoops on May 22, 2008, 12:32:51 PM
I've heard some rumblings that the Howard Payne job is getting some very, very good canidates.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on May 22, 2008, 03:15:26 PM
I hope they get somebody that is native to Texas, else we'll be going through this situation again in a few years.  Redwine (Football after 2-3 yrs) left to go back nearer his home, and now Kielsmeier (8-9 yrs).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2008, 06:53:44 PM
Congratulations to McMurry basketball player and now All-American Long Jumper Breana Anderson!

  5 Breana Anderson, Fr, McMurry University     18-1[-0.6w] (5.51m)   
                         (5.41, 5.30, 5.51, 5.14, 5.29, 5.32)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on June 05, 2008, 07:51:57 AM
HPU has their new athletic website up and running.  It looks great.

http://www.hpusports.com/
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 05, 2008, 12:07:59 PM
Lane Loyd (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2008/06/04/former-etbu-mens-assistant-returns-to-coach-women.html) returns as women's coach at ETBU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 06, 2008, 10:01:25 PM
Howard Payne announced its new head coach (http://www.d3hoops.com/).

Anyone familiar with his work in high school or know anything about the Ryan HS boy's basketball program?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 06, 2008, 11:27:09 PM
Exposure to the Oklahoma men's program is good, but three years as a student manager, one as video coordinator and three as director of basketball operations (no off-campus recruiting) isn't the same as being a women's head coach.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on June 06, 2008, 11:54:31 PM
I think Coach Prock could be a great coach.  I remember a lot of people saying Coach K probably wouldn't work out because he didn't have a lot of coaching experience but look at what he did.  Coach Prock has a lot of experience and knowledge to bring to DIII and to HPU.  I think he'll do a great job not only as a coach but also representing HPU as a person.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 07, 2008, 12:08:06 AM
True, but he'd coached women's basketball before. I expect this will be a big difference for Prock.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 07, 2008, 12:10:47 AM
Denton Ryan High School (http://www.dentonisd.org/51240721182613/blank/browse.asp?A=383&BMDRN=2000&BCOB=0&C=70536) has removed the content from the boy's basketball team.

Ryan HS competes in District 5AAAA and has a four-year enrollment of 1800+ students.  Denton is the home of the University of North Texas, and now has about 120,000 people.  (80,000 in 2000).

He can probably make the adjustment to Brownwood easily.  Bringing in a Texan is wise.  He will have all the connections available.

Here (http://web.mac.com/sforest1/iWeb/LadyRaiders/Home.html) is the Ryan HS Lady Raider web site.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on June 07, 2008, 12:43:25 AM
I think his experience in the OU and Kentucky Wesleyan programs will help him no matter if it was men's or women's that he was wanting to coach.  I think the biggest adjustment will be in recruiting at the DIII level. 

Next year is going to be a challenge no matter what just because of the youth of the players remaining on the team.  But if he can keep the core together along with some future recruits they could be competing nationally again the next year.

As far as adjusting to Brownwood, I think he'll do it pretty easily since he lived here for a little while when he was younger. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 07, 2008, 12:49:07 AM
Quote from: dballa on June 07, 2008, 12:43:25 AM
I think his experience in the OU and Kentucky Wesleyan programs will help him no matter if it was men's or women's that he was wanting to coach.  I think the biggest adjustment will be in recruiting at the DIII level. 

Next year is going to be a challenge no matter what just because of the youth of the players remaining on the team.  But if he can keep the core together along with some future recruits they could be competing nationally again the next year.

As far as adjusting to Brownwood, I think he'll do it pretty easily since he lived here for a little while when he was younger. 
I think that the pre-season picks for the West include:

1) HSU
2) UMHB
3) Concordia -- only loses Harris
4) HPU
5) McM (if everyone is graduating early that might!)
6) SRSU
7) Schreiner
8 ) TLU -- another coaching change!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 07, 2008, 05:35:09 PM
Good schedule for UTT (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/wbasketball/schedule.html).

St Benedict's and UW-Platteville are in-region games.

The Jarvis Christian pair make sense for the sake of travel.

24 games listed.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 07, 2008, 06:04:14 PM
HPU coach talks about his new job. (http://www.reporternews.com/news/2008/jun/06/hpu-hires-womens-basketball-coach/)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on June 09, 2008, 12:30:41 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 06, 2008, 11:27:09 PM
Exposure to the Oklahoma men's program is good, but three years as a student manager, one as video coordinator and three as director of basketball operations (no off-campus recruiting) isn't the same as being a women's head coach.

I'm not sure if being associated with Kelvin Sampson at OU is really a good thing.  Sampson didn't exactly go by the rules set out by the NCAA. ???  It would be nice if he had experience as a women's BB coach, but a guy has to start somewhere.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on June 09, 2008, 12:37:33 PM
Quote from: dballa on June 07, 2008, 12:43:25 AM

Next year is going to be a challenge no matter what just because of the youth of the players remaining on the team.  But if he can keep the core together along with some future recruits they could be competing nationally again the next year.

With any coaching change there will always be players that don't return to the program.  Hopefully most of the core players will return.  I guess we'll have to wait until the fall registration.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on June 09, 2008, 08:36:49 PM
PAT WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO CHANGE THAT FRONT PAGE PICTURE ON D3 HOOPS?  THE HPU  WOMEN ARE WAITING AND SO ARE THEIR FANS!  WE ARE TIRED OF SEEING DEPAUW . ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on June 10, 2008, 05:54:28 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on June 09, 2008, 12:30:41 PM
I'm not sure if being associated with Kelvin Sampson at OU is really a good thing.  Sampson didn't exactly go by the rules set out by the NCAA. ???  It would be nice if he had experience as a women's BB coach, but a guy has to start somewhere.

It should also be pointed out that Ray Harper, Prock's mentor at Kentucky Wesleyan, was run out of Owensboro for less-than-scrupulous dealings and playing fast with NCAA regulations, too.    :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on June 11, 2008, 12:27:16 AM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on June 10, 2008, 05:54:28 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on June 09, 2008, 12:30:41 PM
I'm not sure if being associated with Kelvin Sampson at OU is really a good thing.  Sampson didn't exactly go by the rules set out by the NCAA. ???  It would be nice if he had experience as a women's BB coach, but a guy has to start somewhere.

It should also be pointed out that Ray Harper, Prock's mentor at Kentucky Wesleyan, was run out of Owensboro for less-than-scrupulous dealings and playing fast with NCAA regulations, too.    :-\

Why does that need to be pointed out?  Neither one have anything to do with who Coach Prock is and what he brings to HPU. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on June 11, 2008, 09:42:26 AM
You brought up his experience at OU will help him.  All I brought up is that his boss was one that didn't go by the NCAA rules at OU, and then again at Indiana.  I'm sure he's a great guy, else HPU wouldn't have hired him. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 11, 2008, 11:04:27 AM
Quote from: dballa on June 11, 2008, 12:27:16 AM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on June 10, 2008, 05:54:28 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on June 09, 2008, 12:30:41 PM
I'm not sure if being associated with Kelvin Sampson at OU is really a good thing.  Sampson didn't exactly go by the rules set out by the NCAA. ???  It would be nice if he had experience as a women's BB coach, but a guy has to start somewhere.

It should also be pointed out that Ray Harper, Prock's mentor at Kentucky Wesleyan, was run out of Owensboro for less-than-scrupulous dealings and playing fast with NCAA regulations, too.    :-\

Why does that need to be pointed out?  Neither one have anything to do with who Coach Prock is and what he brings to HPU. 

If it's a fact, then it's fair game. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it should be silenced.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on June 11, 2008, 10:07:39 PM
Quote from: dballa on June 11, 2008, 12:27:16 AMWhy does that need to be pointed out?  Neither one have anything to do with who Coach Prock is and what he brings to HPU. 

I disagree most vehemently.  It most certainly has EVERYTHING to do with who Coach Prock is and what he brings to HPU.

As it seems to me, most of his mentors have run afoul of the NCAA--which means (at the very least) he should overtly go out of his way to distance himself from the conduct of those individuals and programs for which he has trained for this opportunity.  Unless, of course, he sees nothing wrong with the conduct that got both Harper and Sampson fired and placed pretty close to the top of the AA's crap list--in which case you should be more than a little concerned.

It is very legitimate to question the integrity of someone that comes from program backgrounds marred by scandal and shame.  And to be blunt about it, I'm more than a bit surprised that you, yourself, wouldn't ask those exact same type of questions.

Obviously, Lanny is satisfied, but I must say I'm fairly surprised by this hiring.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on June 11, 2008, 10:30:30 PM
In the interest of fairness, I will say that I believe Prock was only on Harper's staff at KWC for one or two seasons--and that the entire athletic program there was an unmitigated disaster.

However, ignorance is no excuse--especially when coupled with the Sampson connection.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on June 11, 2008, 10:42:24 PM

As it seems to me, most of his mentors have run afoul of the NCAA--which means (at the very least) he should overtly go out of his way to distance himself from the conduct of those individuals and programs for which he has trained for this opportunity.  Unless, of course, he sees nothing wrong with the conduct that got both Harper and Sampson fired and placed pretty close to the top of the AA's crap list--in which case you should be more than a little concerned.
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After knowing him and his family when they were in Brownwood, his father was a pastor at the church I attend,  I have no doubt he's a great man, a great coach, and someone who will keep a good reputation with the HPU women's basketball program.  

Guilty by association doesn't always apply.  I think a lot of us have worked for a boss that hasn't always done things the right way but that doesn't mean you've joined in with what they've done.  To imply that someone has done so without any facts could falsely damage someone's reputation.  


As far as questioning someone's integrity, get to know someone first before you make a decision, you might be surprised at what you find out about them.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on June 11, 2008, 10:44:27 PM
I hope you're right, dballa.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on June 16, 2008, 05:52:57 PM
Just anounced today that Lindy Hatfield will stay as Asst. coach at HPU.  This should really help with the transition of head coaches.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on June 24, 2008, 09:56:50 AM
Congrats to Meia Daniels on being named ASC Female Athlete of the Year for the 2nd straight year. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on June 29, 2008, 12:47:51 AM
QuoteAfter knowing him and his family when they were in Brownwood, his father was a pastor at the church I attend,  I have no doubt he's a great man, a great coach, and someone who will keep a good reputation with the HPU women's basketball program.  

Guilty by association doesn't always apply.  I think a lot of us have worked for a boss that hasn't always done things the right way but that doesn't mean you've joined in with what they've done.  To imply that someone has done so without any facts could falsely damage someone's reputation.  


As far as questioning someone's integrity, get to know someone first before you make a decision, you might be surprised at what you find out about them.



I agree with you.  I don't think anybody should judge Prock or anyone else that got left in the wake of an idiot.  Sampson took his show to Indiana and look where that got him.  It is a shame that some people get away with anything one place and go somewhere else to end up doing the same thing.  Sad!!!

Hope everything works out for HPU, it has been a fun few years watching the matchups between us.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on July 02, 2008, 08:57:22 AM
Hardin-Simmons has a new athletic's web site. If you have www.hsuathletics.cstv.com as your bookmark, you will have to change it to just www.hsuathletics.com.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on August 11, 2008, 01:42:40 PM
I am kind of new to the site but think it's great.  I have a daughter going to be at UT Dallas this year.  I look forward to being able to follow the league on line.  With school getting ready to start I assume the board will pick up with all the conferences new signing etc...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 11, 2008, 03:31:09 PM
Welcome!  Always glad to have fans from the East.  It's good to have another UT-Dallas fan!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on August 13, 2008, 03:32:03 PM
I saw McMurry play several times last year.  Your post was a great talent.  I am sure the rest of the conference is glad she graduated lol.  The East seems to be getting a little closer to the west (at the top anyway).  I think I saw 11 of the conferences teams play last year.  I know I should have something better to do lol. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 20, 2008, 10:03:14 AM
We bid adieu to Concordia's Head Coach, Linda Sharp (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables).

HOF Coach Sharp's lifetime record is 496-271 including national championships at USC in 1983-84.

In seven seasons at CTX, she went 87-87, (with teams that were good enough to win conference championships in half of the conferences in D-III, IMHO).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on October 08, 2008, 01:16:50 PM
Practice right around the corner.  I am looking forward to the season.  I followed the league somewhat last year but with a kid playing this year I look forward to really supporting the league.  I assume rosters will be posted soon after practice starts for most teams?  Anyone have preseason predictions for who battles for east and west titles?  When does the first D3 poll come out?  I look forward to keeping up with everyone on here.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on October 14, 2008, 09:37:21 PM
Concordia hires new head women's basketball coach. (http://ascsports.org/News/wbball/2008/10/13/ASC_WOMENSBASKETBALL_COCHRANCTX.asp?path=wbball)

Sounds like a good one. Anybody know anything more about Coach Cochran?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 15, 2008, 06:21:18 PM
Women's Pre-season Poll (http://www.ascsports.org/News/wbball/2008/10/14/ASC_WBB_PRESEASON0809.asp?path=wbball).

Lady Jackets are still the team to beat!

The new CTX coach looks like a really good one.  The new campus, his young enthusiastic hunger to take the program to the next level and a great recruiting area such as Texas Women's Basketball are all factors in this mix.

The ASC-West just got tougher!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 27, 2008, 12:25:07 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on October 14, 2008, 09:37:21 PM
Concordia hires new head women's basketball coach. (http://ascsports.org/News/wbball/2008/10/13/ASC_WOMENSBASKETBALL_COCHRANCTX.asp?path=wbball)

Sounds like a good one. Anybody know anything more about Coach Cochran?

Despite not having an awful lot of depth on his bench last season, Coach Cochrane's squad was leading the Northern Athletics Conference for much of the regular season last year until a late slump. Then, Rockford lost to Concordia-Chicago in the first round of the conference playoffs,--(yes, that Concordia-Chicago-which later gave WLC all it could handle, before taking a 2-point loss on the road.

IMHO-He'll have CUA making its' share of noise.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on October 28, 2008, 03:13:19 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 15, 2008, 06:21:18 PM
Women's Pre-season Poll (http://www.ascsports.org/News/wbball/2008/10/14/ASC_WBB_PRESEASON0809.asp?path=wbball).

Lady Jackets are still the team to beat!

The new CTX coach looks like a really good one.  The new campus, his young enthusiastic hunger to take the program to the next level and a great recruiting area such as Texas Women's Basketball are all factors in this mix.

The ASC-West just got tougher!

I hope the polls are correct, but here's how I would guess it will be.
1.) HSU
2.) MHB
3.) HPU
4.) McMurry

I'm guessing the winner of the West, will have 3 to 4 conference losses this year.   All 4 of the above teams will be hard to beat at home.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on October 30, 2008, 05:15:56 PM
So preseason poll has

HP at #13
McMurry #20
Hardin Simmons 11 points putting them at #39

Did HP get some new recruits no one is talking about?  From seeing what each had last year and who was coming back it looks backwards to me.  HP doesn't have their roster up yet so can't really see who they have. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2008, 02:01:46 AM
Some voters give the defending national champ the benefit of the doubt. No. 13, however, is the lowest a defending national champ has ever been rated in our poll.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2008, 02:02:50 AM
Quote from: SabineBBall on October 30, 2008, 05:15:56 PM
HP doesn't have their roster up yet so can't really see who they have. 

Howard Payne refused to provide names of incoming players for our voters, either, so you can draw your own conclusions, I guess.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on October 31, 2008, 09:00:08 AM
I understand they have all of their returning players from last year,  and some impressive recruits coming in. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gottaluvhoops on October 31, 2008, 10:37:23 AM
I would say that McMurry is the team to beat but you can never count out a defending champ, since those kids know what it takes to get to that level!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on October 31, 2008, 12:06:41 PM
Here's some information on Mississippi College. The Lady Choctaws return everyone from a 15-11 team a year ago, and added a couple solid players. MC returns a pretty good roster that finished second in the ASC East a year ago with a 12-8 record. Rose Green (6-0) is one of the best returners. She averaged 17 points and 6 rebounds after Christmas.

One of the biggest newcomers in the ASC this year could be Brittany Dukes, a DI senior transfer point guard from Robert Morris University. She spent two years at Southern Shreveport where she averaged over 20 points, six rebounds and four assists and was MVP of the MLJCC (5 LA JUCO'S). She scored nine points in her first game at Robert Morris (23-10), an NCAA Tourney team, but spent most of the season as the 8th player on a team that used a seven-man rotation.

MC also has a pretty good schedule with all 5 nonconference games at home against DIII teams. (Millsaps, Concordia-Selma, Piedmont, Rhodes, Hendrix).

EDITED: MC has four DIII nonconference games. Concordia-Selma is not DIII.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on October 31, 2008, 02:55:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2008, 02:02:50 AM
Quote from: SabineBBall on October 30, 2008, 05:15:56 PM
HP doesn't have their roster up yet so can't really see who they have. 

Howard Payne refused to provide names of incoming players for our voters, either, so you can draw your own conclusions, I guess.
Their roster is posted today on the HPU website.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on November 03, 2008, 12:17:19 PM
UT Dallas looked good in their scrimmage against NAIA member Texas Wesleyan on Saturday.  They looked really good on the defensive end.  In 3 running 20 minute halves it was like 71-28 for the Lady Comets.  Next up University of Dallas scrimmage on Saturday.  How did everyone else look in first scrimmages?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 06, 2008, 11:06:36 PM
Top 25 (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/)

I think that the Poll is valid that we have two ASC teams in the Top 25.

I think that it will take until mid February to see who deserves those rankings.

McMurry has to re-tool its offense now that Richardson has graduated!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DavidNichols on November 09, 2008, 09:18:02 PM
MC played Jackson State in a scrimmage on Saturday.  Several players got to see plenty of playing time.  The team is very athletic and added some key components with the newcomers.  Season opens on November 18th at home against Rhodes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 09, 2008, 09:42:12 PM
Welcome David!  Glad to have another MissCollege poster!  +1!  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 11, 2008, 10:06:44 PM
HPU lost their exhibition game tonight to DII Midwestern State 62-54.

They were down 34-19 at the half after shooting very poorly in the first half.  They came back in the 2nd half and played much better.

Without any seniors on the team and a lot of sophomores and freshmen playing they have a lot of work to do but have a load of talent and potential to be a very good team by the the 2nd semester if not before then.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 11, 2008, 10:22:09 PM
Midwestern State (http://www.lonestarconference.org/sports/bkb/2008-09/news/081001_womenpreseasonpoll) is picked to finish 5th in the 7-team South Division of the LSC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 14, 2008, 09:58:05 PM
McMurry women are coming together. 

The underclasswomen, who were getting close to graduation, decided to return for one more season.  Twelve players returned.

McMurry also got Anna Berthel, a 6'1" Center who played for LSC champion WTAMU last year.  As a freshman, Anna played in 9 games for the Lady Buffs.  Clearly she is walking into a good situation where McMurry needs to fill a very big hole left by Tarra.

McMurry opens with NAIA foes, University of the Southwest in Hobbs NM next Thursday and then goes to Wayland Baptist, the home of the famous Flying Queens, on Saturday night.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lcwildcatfan on November 17, 2008, 03:54:01 PM
I just rejoined the LC Women's Basketball Team just this past week. They looked really good at practice. Today they play Birmingham Southern at 7 p.m. They have a new lineup from last year.

I see where HSU plays Texas Wesleyan and AC plays UTD.

I will try to keep y'all up dated on LC's game tonight.

Good Luck Lady Cats!!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 17, 2008, 09:49:01 PM
LC 71, BSC 63.  How did they look?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lcwildcatfan on November 18, 2008, 08:58:23 AM
Better than did at ULM. They ran one offensive play the whole second half against ULM. Taylor, I think would have scored more and had better numbers if she wouldn't get into foul trouble. The team is starting to come together. I think Coach Richard is going to have different starting lineups for the next couple of games until she gets the rotation down.

GEAUX LADY CATS!!

Both men and women play this Friday at home against Millsaps!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DavidNichols on November 19, 2008, 09:18:36 AM
The Lady Choctaws picked up a 64-42 win over Rhodes College on Tuesday night at home.  MC shot only 40% from the floor, but went 8-14 from three-point range.  After finishing last in the league last season in three-point shooting, it was a welcome sight.  Senior guard Brittany Dukes scored 20 points on 7-15 shooting from the floor and 4-7 shooting from behind the arc.  Dukes is a newcomer that provides a scoring punch at the three spot.  Senior forward Anesia McBride picked up a double-double, scoring 12 points and pulling down 10 rebounds.  Reigning ASC East Newcomer of the Year, Rosemary Green, only scored six points, but was hindered by foul trouble all night.  The defensive intensity has picked up noticeably since last season.  MC forced 24 turnovers and only allowed Rhodes to shoot 26% from the floor.  Rhodes stayed in the game by going 20-26 at the free throw line.  The Lady Choctaws host Concordia-Selma, on Saturday in the Golden Dome at 1:00 p.m.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lcwildcatfan on November 20, 2008, 10:31:19 AM
Congratulations to Tallisha Givens for her performance against Birmingham-Southern that won her player of the week for the East side.

This Friday they Millsaps.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 20, 2008, 10:14:33 PM
Guess everyone thought I would go away, SURPRISE, I'm back..........just returned from the LIB game. McMurry won by 30 or so.  Got some talent and looked pretty good.  Been watching lots of high school and jv basketball, so college hoops looked pretty good.  My opinions just won't go away.......
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2008, 10:44:53 PM
Hey fanstand!

How did Berthel, the sophomore transfer from West Texas A&M, do in the post?

Livestats (http://www.sidearmstats.com/mcmurry/wbball/)

This is the first season for the University of the Southwest. 

Good outside shooting by Callie Williams and Allison Nelson.

McM LIB 88, University of Southwest 58.


We get a real test against Wayland Baptist on Saturday.  WBU is 3-1 and has beaten D-2 Texas A&M Kingsville, 58-56, but lost its last game to NAIA-1 Langston OK 51-47.  (TAMUK was predicted to finish last in the LSC South.)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on November 21, 2008, 09:15:44 AM
Fanstand, 

Good to see you from a distance last night.  I thought L.I.B. looked pretty good, although tough to tell against a under matched Southwest team.  I did like the fact that it looks like we can go a bit deeper than the last couple of years.  Berthel in the post looked good and has a lot of talent and potential.  Ashley Stephens off the bench looked  good.  Someone else who impressed me was #15 Hailey Stacey, deceptively athletic and I believe has potential.

Saturday will be a good test for us.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 21, 2008, 10:45:40 AM
I like the new post, she has big shoes to fill.  She will get better and better as the season progresses.  I really liked the depth of this team.  Love Nelson playing the guard position.  Was really impressed with both Williams' shooting last night. Erica Rawls had good minutes and Ashley Stephens played well.  I always expect my teams to finish 1st, and I always believe they will.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 21, 2008, 11:05:15 AM
To anyone who is interested, the Millsaps at Louisiana College game is scheduled to be webcast by Millsaps with the tipoff at 5:00 Central time.  The link to that is:

http://www.atwsportscast.com/Colleges/Players/Millsaps%20College.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2008, 07:05:48 PM
Thanks, Frank!

I will post updates on the ASC in-game board!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2008, 07:30:45 PM

## Player                 FG FGA3FG3FGA FT FTAOF RebDEF RebTOT Reb PF TPATOBLKS MIN
14 Dominique Brown..... g4 5000013428 700426

Great line for Dominique

8 Pts 7 Assists 0 TO's 4 Steals
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1wildcatfan on November 22, 2008, 12:58:39 PM
Lady Wildcats played a great game last night. I think the young team is finally coming together. Freshman pg Roslyn Wilmer had a great game going 5-5 with 14 points, 4 boards, and 4 steals.  LC also had 3 others scoring in double digits: Taylor Henderson 5-6 with 14 points, Krystle Hunter 6-10 with 14 points, and Tillisha Givens 5-8 with 10 points.

A stat that really sticks out is that they had 18 assists. Their offense was working. Really moving the ball around.

They have a break then a big roadtrip ahead them as they head to Abilene to face the probably the best two teams consistenly over the years. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 22, 2008, 04:56:41 PM
HPU 62 Colorado College 48 in their second game.

HPU was down 27-19 at the half.  Too many turnovers and missed free throws.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2008, 05:14:07 PM
Wayland Baptist 64 McM 58 (http://www.dakstats.com/Websync/Pages/WebcastPlayByPlay/WebcastPBP.aspx?association=10&sg=WBB&compID=80085&sea=NAIWBB_2008)

WBU moves to 4-1 on the season.  McMurry falls to 1-1.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DavidNichols on November 22, 2008, 11:36:47 PM
Lady Choctaws move to 2-0 by taking care of an inferior opponent, 82-52.  Kelsey Hopkins led the way with 15 points on 6-6 shooting from the floor.  MC shot 61% from the floor with Rosemary Green only playing eight minutes.  MC faces cross-town rival Millsaps on Tuesday night at home at 6:00 p.m.  The Majors fell on the road in overtime to a tough Piedmont team, who made the NCAA Tournament a year ago.  The Lady Choctaws get into ASC play on Saturday when they travel to Abilene to face Hardin-Simmons. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 23, 2008, 12:12:20 AM
Good weekend in the ASC-East...

In the Fred Jacoby I-20 tournament,

UT-Dallas beat UW-Platteville on Friday 78-64, but lost in OT to #23 St Benedict 67-75.

UT-Tyler beat #23 St Benedict (CSB) on Friday 81-70 in OT but lost to UWP 80-74.

UMHB beat Southwestern 57-53 in the West.

UW-Platteville is predicted to finish 6th of 9 in the tough WIAC.  I cannot find a pre-season poll in the MIAC for the women (CSB).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on November 23, 2008, 10:56:40 PM
I saw 3 of the 4 games at UT Tyler.  UTD and UTT both looked good the games I saw.  I can't imagine how UTT lost to UW-Platteville (the one game I missed).  #23 St Benedict had a 6'4" girl and were a solid team.  UTD missed a free throw with 7 seconds that would have put them ahead before falling in OT.  If Miss and Louisiana college are as good as these two the east will be a battle.     
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: PatriotASID on November 25, 2008, 09:11:59 PM
UT Tyler was without Marzetta Shepard (at a funeral) and Melissa Thomas was still feeling the effects of a tough hit from CSB in the UWP game.  Not excuses, just facts.  The Patriots had trouble finding a groove in the early part of the 2nd, and although they rallied late in the 2nd it was too late.  Ralph, I could not find a MIAC poll either, but I know CSB was ranked 20 in the WBCA poll and 23 in the D3hoops poll.  Also, I saw where MC trounced Millsaps, 99-70, tonight.  From the results so far, I too think we are in a horse race for the East title.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 25, 2008, 11:54:59 PM
A couple comments on MC's 99-70 win over Millsaps tonight. Senior transfer Brittany Dukes had a great game to lead the Lady Choctaws. Dukes line from tonight looked like this:
29 PTS, 10-12 FG, 5-6 3FG, 4-4 FT, 6 RB, 3 AS, 0 TO, 4 ST
She's one of the best newcomers in the nation this year in my opinion and will probably remind ASC fans a little of former UTT guard Sarah Stanley who led the Patriots to a couple ASC East titles. Wish we had her for more than one season.

Four players finished in double digits tonight as MC shot 61 percent. Rose Green had 14. MC still had 20 turnovers though, which was a problem last year. If they can control the turnovers, they can hang with anyone in the league this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 27, 2008, 12:57:14 AM
Quote from: PatriotASID on November 25, 2008, 09:11:59 PM
UT Tyler was without Marzetta Shepard (at a funeral) and Melissa Thomas was still feeling the effects of a tough hit from CSB in the UWP game.  Not excuses, just facts.  The Patriots had trouble finding a groove in the early part of the 2nd, and although they rallied late in the 2nd it was too late.  Ralph, I could not find a MIAC poll either, but I know CSB was ranked 20 in the WBCA poll and 23 in the D3hoops poll.  Also, I saw where MC trounced Millsaps, 99-70, tonight.  From the results so far, I too think we are in a horse race for the East title.

Quote from: Chris Brooks on November 25, 2008, 11:54:59 PM
A couple comments on MC's 99-70 win over Millsaps tonight. Senior transfer Brittany Dukes had a great game to lead the Lady Choctaws. Dukes line from tonight looked like this:
29 PTS, 10-12 FG, 5-6 3FG, 4-4 FT, 6 RB, 3 AS, 0 TO, 4 ST
She's one of the best newcomers in the nation this year in my opinion and will probably remind ASC fans a little of former UTT guard Sarah Stanley who led the Patriots to a couple ASC East titles. Wish we had her for more than one season.

Four players finished in double digits tonight as MC shot 61 percent. Rose Green had 14. MC still had 20 turnovers though, which was a problem last year. If they can control the turnovers, they can hang with anyone in the league this year.

+1 guys!  :)

The West has always been solid.  I wrote last year that I roughly thought (trying to remember the exact numbers) that 4th place UMHB would win 15 (of 39) conferences in the country; 3rd place HSU would win 25 conferences; McM 30 and HPU 35.  Sure enough, HPU won the whole thing!

I think that UT-Tyler and Miss College are making the ASC one of the Top 8* Women's conferences in the Country.  I think that McMurry has re-loaded, HSU will be back strong and UMHB had talent last year.  The weak HPU showing at Colorado College and SRSU makes me think that HPU hasn't put it together yet.

They have a national championship banner that should be hanging from the rafters at the Mausoleum, so HPU will be tough at home.

*In the last 10 years, 8 conferences have had at least 2 teams make the Final Four.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 27, 2008, 09:23:26 AM
HPU is 3-0 after playing 3 in-region road games in 5 days winning all of them by double digits.  I wouldn't exactly say that's a weak showing. 

They have some things they need to work on and improve on by the time the 2nd semester comes around but with no seniors and a lot of freshmen and sophomores playing, they will only get better and they'll be just fine.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on November 27, 2008, 12:21:22 PM
New coach & new system, HPU has more of a transition to over come, unlike McMurry & HSU.   We'll know better how the teams are when they meet each other .  I thought HPU did pretty well, having to drive to Colorado Springs, play on Friday & Saturday.  Drive back to Brownwood that night, then drive to Alpine on Monday.  Most good teams would have lost one of those games. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 27, 2008, 05:32:58 PM
SCAC SCAC Media Guide.  Page 4 (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/wbkb/2008-09/news/2008-09SCACWomensBBallMediaGuide.pdf)

Thanks for the responses.  ColoColl is predicted to finish tied for 4th with Southwestern in the SCAC-West  They, too, have a new coach.

ColoColl may be the stronger of the opponents, but HPU beat SRSU by 20 in Alpine in 2008 and 33 in 2006.

I am more concerned with the expectations that HPU is playing at a Top 13 level.

I may not have the best concept of what is Top 10 at this time of the year, but I would have expected #13  HPU to have won by 20 at SRSU.

I will give HPU the chance to gel, and the battles in the West will be tough ones.  HPU seems to catch Miss College at home in game #9 and UT-Tyler in game #13.  That is well into the season.

Good luck!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 27, 2008, 08:11:46 PM
HPU could be 14-0 going into UMHB game.

They then go HSU AND McM.   :)

They have plenty of talent returning.

HPU Roster (http://www.hpusports.com/roster.aspx?path=wbball&)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on November 28, 2008, 07:51:21 AM
You know as well as I that the #13 ranking has to do with what happened last year.  That's the way all pre-season polls work, because nobody can logically be ranked until they play games.  In my opinion the first ranking should come out after approx. 10 games have been played.  I have no idea if HPU even deserves to be in the top 20, but time will tell.

ColoColl may be the stronger of the opponents, but HPU beat SRSU by 20 in Alpine in 2008 and 33 in 2006.

   It's hard to compare by scoring margin.  It may be Prock sent subs in earlier than Kielsmeir would have.  There are too many factors involved.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2008, 10:14:09 AM
Quote from: JACKET84 on November 28, 2008, 07:51:21 AM

   It's hard to compare by scoring margin.  It may be Prock sent subs in earlier than Kielsmeir would have.  There are too many factors involved.
Thanks for bringing that up!

We can look at how Prock uses his bench as the season goes along.

I noticed that Pfiester and Jockers are getting equal playing time at the center.  It is nice to have that depth at that position.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on November 28, 2008, 11:23:44 AM
I'm ready to see them play tomorrow.  Looks like Josh is playing several freshmen.  The future looks bright. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2008, 12:22:45 AM
The UMHB fans are still on the football pages.

The women have a great non-conference schedule.

They catch Southwestern and Trinity in November and then Baldwin-Wallace (defending champs from the OAC) and Southern Maine, the perennial power.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on November 29, 2008, 12:53:38 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 27, 2008, 08:11:46 PM
HPU could be 14-0 going into UMHB game.

They then go HSU AND McM.   :)

They have plenty of talent returning.

HPU Roster (http://www.hpusports.com/roster.aspx?path=wbball&)

14-0?  No way HPU sweeps the top 4 from the east this year.  One or more of them will beat them.  IMHO
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 29, 2008, 04:31:46 PM
MS College won at Hardin-Simmons today, 69-68. Anesia McBride had 18 and Rose Green 16. MC won despite leading scorer Brittany Dukes having an off day going 0-10. Anytime you can beat the Cowgirls, especially at home, it's a great win.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: UNCLE on November 29, 2008, 11:19:55 PM
At times the Lady Jackets looked sluggish, and other times like a machine.  The subs played over half the game, allowing agggressive Brittany Zamora, Fr. to score 20, and be high for the game.  The defense is still there.  Shooting is spotty, inside and outside, but enough to handle their competition so far.  I think there have been four different leading scorers for the Lady Jackets.  Having seen 28 of their 33 games last year, and 2 of the four so far this year,  IMO, I think they are reloaded, and ready to go, they just need to jell, and learn to work together better. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on November 29, 2008, 11:40:08 PM
UTD 72 AT UMHB 64.  1ST utd game I have missed but my daughter says they started slow and were down big early but then go it going.  Looks like the top of the East had a pretty good showing today on the road.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on November 30, 2008, 05:36:45 PM
     HPU has a lot of young talented Freshmen, and with no Seniors on this years team, they have a bright future ahead of them.  At this time, they have an aggressive defense, but they are lacking on they're outside shooting, follow ups, and free throws at this time.  Those are all correctable.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 01, 2008, 11:16:33 AM
The McM LIB looked pretty rusty Saturday against LC.  We were ahead most of the game but couldn't put it away.  In fact, we probably should have lost, for we let LC tie the game and then, with just seconds left on the clock, gave them the chance to win.  They missed four free throws, any one of which would have sealed it for them.  We were lucky to beat them in OT.  The game hopefully concentrated the minds of our players for the contest tonight against MC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lcwildcatfan on December 01, 2008, 02:35:14 PM
Good luck to the Lady Wildcats tonight. I heard they had a pretty rough finish Saturday at McMurry. They should have won but didn't. I believe the East is getting a lot stronger from the years past.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 01, 2008, 03:10:51 PM
Louisiana College is much improved.  We got into foul trouble, played good defense, but then got beat up the floor a couple of times. I have heard Miss. College is very athletic and we will have to be careful not to get into foul trouble.  We were deeper than LA college, but must take better care of the ball. I am glad the east teams came here, but the east will be just get better and stronger as the year progresses.  Hopefully we will too. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 01, 2008, 08:31:58 PM
HPU beat down ETBU 70-46 tonight.  ETBU has a lot of athletes but no discipline.

Jockers led the way with 18 pts 6 rbs while Hobbs recorded a double-double with 12 pts 10 rbs and Warner was 4/6 from 3pt land finishing with 16 pts.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: PatriotASID on December 01, 2008, 09:23:37 PM
UT Tyler beats Schreiner, 98-73.  Becky Taylor notched fifth double-double in five games and Melissa Thomas scored 30+ for second straight game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cats55 on December 03, 2008, 07:41:08 PM
McM fans do any of you know why the stats for the LC game hasn't been released.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cats55 on December 03, 2008, 08:15:19 PM
stats were justs released thanks.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 04, 2008, 08:12:31 PM
HPU 67 Ozarks 49 Final.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 04, 2008, 08:18:26 PM
UTT 83 HSU 64 Final.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on December 04, 2008, 08:25:10 PM
UTD 84 Sul Ross 44

UTD put the hammer down early and kept it up for the whole game.  Were leading 42-16 at halftime.  Next up HPU coming to town saturday.  I bet it is a good one!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lcwildcatfan on December 05, 2008, 11:26:13 AM
The LC Lady Wildcats won 90-59 last night against Schriener. All 17 players saw action last night. We have got to quit fouling everytime down the court. Our defensive looked better than the past two games but we still have a lot to work on. Christy had 26 points leading all scorers. Taylor was the leading rebounder and Roslyn led the way with 8 steals. We also still need to work on our free throw percentage. Congrats Lady Cats on the win and good luck Saturday against TLU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 05, 2008, 11:49:10 PM
Trinity women 70, at Colorado College 65.

Those HPU scores against ColoColl look a little better.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on December 06, 2008, 09:34:23 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 05, 2008, 11:49:10 PM
Trinity women 70, at Colorado College 65.

Those HPU scores against ColoColl look a little better.

Just curious, would Trinity fly from SA to CS?  I know they have more $$ than HPU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2008, 10:31:42 AM
Quote from: JACKET84 on December 06, 2008, 09:34:23 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 05, 2008, 11:49:10 PM
Trinity women 70, at Colorado College 65.

Those HPU scores against ColoColl look a little better.

Just curious, would Trinity fly from SA to CS?  I know they have more $$ than HPU.
Yes, I believe that they did.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2008, 06:36:58 PM
Final  at UTD 77, HPU 55 (http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/news/2008/12/6/WBB_1206081245.aspx?path=wbball)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on December 06, 2008, 07:55:57 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2008, 06:36:58 PM
Final  at UTD 77, HPU 55 (http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/news/2008/12/6/WBB_1206081245.aspx?path=wbball)

Ouch!  I knew it would happen soon, but I didn't think we would get beat that bad.  It's been several years since we've lost by that many points.  I know it's been over 3 years.
Earlier I commented that the winner of the West would have at least 3 losses.  I'm thinking it may be more like 4 or 5.  There's a lot more parity this year.  HSU, McMurry, and HPU aren't the only ones on the block this year.
   We'll see just how HPU reacts to this first loss.  We have Sul Ross, MC, and LC coming to Brownwood for the next 3 games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on December 06, 2008, 10:47:27 PM
Way to go UTD.  You played a good game and seem to be getting better with every game.  HPU has really done a lot for the conference and I really hated to see their win streak end but since it was bound to end sometime I am glad UTD was the one to break it.  HPU will be back.  They seem to be a little out of sync right now and need better guard play.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on December 09, 2008, 12:28:11 PM
Good to see McMurry and UT Dallas getting some love in the polls (receiving votes).  I know that has got to be a first for UTD.  Congrats   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 10, 2008, 04:10:34 PM
This board is extremely quiet these days. After watching and listening to the LIB games, this could be an interesting year. The east is stronger than it has been in a couple of years. LA, Miss College, UTT and UTD are really gonna be tough.  LIB has 3 down 1 to go for now on the east side.  The teams in the west are still tough and Monday HSU and MCM will go at it.  HPU is vulnerable I am sure they are looking for complete chemistry with a new coach and graduating their core group last year but they will still be tough, especially at home.  Any team getting to the tourney I bet will have at least 2 or 3 losses.  Last Saturday against UTT we missed our starting post and Callie Williams was ill and did not play, (but we still won) so hopefully they have recovered and will be ready for Monday.  I would love to go through the west and east undefeated just don't know that it will happen. But you know I believe..
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 12, 2008, 11:19:28 AM
I thought we looked a lot better against MS than we did against Louisiana College, where, as I posted earlier, only an act of God saved us from losing.  The game against UTT on the radio sounded wild -- up 15 points, then behind, then finally pulling off the win.  The one thing this LIB team seems consistently good at is giving their fans heart attacks as they watch or listen to their games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on December 13, 2008, 08:31:08 PM
MS College beat Piedmont 90-40 this afternoon in the Golden Dome to improve to 7-1. Piedmont is just 1-7, but they lost by 24 to #11 Oglethorpe and by 14 to #23 Emory. Comparing scores is not always a good idea, but MC is playing well this year.  The Lady Choctaws beat Rhodes 64-42 to start this season, and Rhodes is now 6-1.

We might not have a national elite team right now in the ASC, but I don't think there is any question the league is much deeper with several teams who could emerge as Top 25 teams. The league as a whole has some nice out of conference wins including a 9-4 record against the SCAC, and the top 6-7 schools are very close. Should be an exciting year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on December 14, 2008, 11:03:10 AM
HPU beat Sul Ross by 18 points at home, BUT it was a LOT closer than what the score shows.  Seeing that the Lobo's are winless, this win wasn't impressive.  The MC game Thursday at home will be a better test to see where HPU really stands.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 15, 2008, 07:13:23 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on December 14, 2008, 11:03:10 AM
HPU beat Sul Ross by 18 points at home, BUT it was a LOT closer than what the score shows.  Seeing that the Lobo's are winless, this win wasn't impressive.  The MC game Thursday at home will be a better test to see where HPU really stands.
Jacket, was that a case of HPU "playing down" to SRSU?

SRSU can sometimes play a pesky style of play that does not make you look good.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 15, 2008, 11:41:27 PM
Frustrating night for McM. We are a much better team than what we did tonight.  I missed the first half in person, but listened to it on the radio. Saw most of the second half.....HSU had their backs against the wall and had to win. They played with much more intensity, especially in the second half.  We didn't have an answer for Bo Warm.  I was disappointed, but I know this is going to be a different kind of year. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on December 16, 2008, 08:19:37 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 15, 2008, 07:13:23 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on December 14, 2008, 11:03:10 AM
HPU beat Sul Ross by 18 points at home, BUT it was a LOT closer than what the score shows.  Seeing that the Lobo's are winless, this win wasn't impressive.  The MC game Thursday at home will be a better test to see where HPU really stands.
Jacket, was that a case of HPU "playing down" to SRSU?

SRSU can sometimes play a pesky style of play that does not make you look good.

Good point about Sul Ross.  Still, HPU isn't playing consistant.  Missing a lot of put backs, free throws, and outside shots.  Good defense, but lacking on offense.  THursday night against MC will tell us more.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 16, 2008, 09:05:46 AM
Quote from: JACKET84 on December 16, 2008, 08:19:37 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 15, 2008, 07:13:23 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on December 14, 2008, 11:03:10 AM
HPU beat Sul Ross by 18 points at home, BUT it was a LOT closer than what the score shows.  Seeing that the Lobo's are winless, this win wasn't impressive.  The MC game Thursday at home will be a better test to see where HPU really stands.
Jacket, was that a case of HPU "playing down" to SRSU?

SRSU can sometimes play a pesky style of play that does not make you look good.

Good point about Sul Ross.  Still, HPU isn't playing consistant.  Missing a lot of put backs, free throws, and outside shots.  Good defense, but lacking on offense.  THursday night against MC will tell us more.
Yeah, SRSU (Lady Lobos) hurt UTD last year in Alpine! That loss may have cost UT-Dallas a share of the ASC-East title! 

The Alpine game is a game you must win!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 16, 2008, 12:44:52 PM
Oh and another of my two cents....I hate this schedule, where there is limited practice because of finals, most of the students have gone home, and we play one of the biggest rivals on a Monday night with no games the week before. Then at the end of the schedule you do the turn around thing and play the other big rival right before tournament time twice. There should be a better way. And polls still suck. And now that I got that off my chest.....Merry Christmas, be safe.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 16, 2008, 12:55:47 PM
Quote from: fanstand on December 16, 2008, 12:44:52 PM
Oh and another of my two cents....I hate this schedule, where there is limited practice because of finals, most of the students have gone home, and we play one of the biggest rivals on a Monday night with no games the week before. Then at the end of the schedule you do the turn around thing and play the other big rival right before tournament time twice. There should be a better way. And polls still suck. And now that I got that off my chest.....Merry Christmas, be safe.
It rotates!

The coaches decided when to play the HSU-McM game.

A friend of mine said McM had a good turnout!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 16, 2008, 02:28:23 PM
There were a lot of McM fans there last night I was impressed because I thought they way outnumbered the HSU fans.  I guess I sounded pretty ornery, but I thought both teams were flat.  It just wasn't the electric atmosphere that you get with the students all there.  I wasn't there during the first half, so it's kinda hard for me to really get a take on it. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2008, 08:58:47 PM
Final from Livestats on the front page...

Mississippi College 56, at HPU 59!

This season is gonna be fun!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 18, 2008, 10:42:42 PM
It was an exciting game tonight in Brownwood.  MC had an 8 pt lead in the middle of the 2nd half but HPU held them to 2-16 shooting the rest of the way to pull out the victory. 

I do have to say though if the officiating is as bad the rest of the year as it was tonight, we're in for quite a few technicals and some very upset fans.  The officials were awful and one of them always does ASC games, mainly the ones between HPU and HSU. 

It should be fun this season like you said Ralph.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on December 19, 2008, 09:10:07 AM
The refs were consistantly inconsistant.  That was the worse officiated game I've seen in a long time.  They had no idea the difference between a block and charge. 
   I must say that MC has a very very good team.  HPU, HSU & McMurry are very lucky they got to play MC at home this year.  MC would be 3 - 0 vs these teams if they had played in Mississippi.  They just missed too many shots, and crucial free throws.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on December 19, 2008, 10:33:29 AM
Quote from: JACKET84 on December 19, 2008, 09:10:07 AM
The refs were consistantly inconsistant.  That was the worse officiated game I've seen in a long time.  They had no idea the difference between a block and charge. 
   I must say that MC has a very very good team.  HPU, HSU & McMurry are very lucky they got to play MC at home this year.  MC would be 3 - 0 vs these teams if they had played in Mississippi.  They just missed too many shots, and crucial free throws.

Thanks for the post. This is the best MC we've had in several years, just unfortunate timing with having to play the 3 conference powers all on the road. We were leading 53-46 with about eight minutes to go last night and scored 3 more points the rest of the game. Can't do that on the road against a team like HPU.

But we beat HSU on the road, and both the McMurry and HPU games came down to the wire as well. I thought beating HPU would probably put us in the Top 25, but maybe we can get in there at some point later.

The ASC Tournament will be very interesting this year, probably 6-7 teams at this point who could win it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2008, 10:52:56 AM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on December 19, 2008, 10:33:29 AM
Quote from: JACKET84 on December 19, 2008, 09:10:07 AM
The refs were consistantly inconsistant.  That was the worse officiated game I've seen in a long time.  They had no idea the difference between a block and charge. 
   I must say that MC has a very very good team.  HPU, HSU & McMurry are very lucky they got to play MC at home this year.  MC would be 3 - 0 vs these teams if they had played in Mississippi.  They just missed too many shots, and crucial free throws.

Thanks for the post. This is the best MC we've had in several years, just unfortunate timing with having to play the 3 conference powers all on the road. We were leading 53-46 with about eight minutes to go last night and scored 3 more points the rest of the game. Can't do that on the road against a team like HPU.

But we beat HSU on the road, and both the McMurry and HPU games came down to the wire as well. I thought beating HPU would probably put us in the Top 25, but maybe we can get in there at some point later.

The ASC Tournament will be very interesting this year, probably 6-7 teams at this point who could win it.
And the critical thing for the conference is that our champion needs to go far in the tourney.

I think that Trinity may be good enough to earn a bid, too (either the SCAC's Pool A or Pool C).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on December 19, 2008, 11:21:42 AM
Ralph,
   The only bad thing about having so many good teams this year is it will be very difficult to have a pool C team. I would not be surprised if everyone has at least three losses during the regular season. A fourth loss in the ASC Tournament might be too many for pool C consideration.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 19, 2008, 12:02:42 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2008, 10:52:56 AM
I think that Trinity may be good enough to earn a bid, too (either the SCAC's Pool A or Pool C).

Pool A?  Seems unlikely, they just haven't been the same since Coach Geyer left a few years ago.   Oglethorpe's the conference favorite and DePauw is always in the SCAC mix.    The TU ladies get #16 Southern Maine at home on the 30th and that should provide a good indication of what this team might do and how likely a pool C bid might be. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2008, 09:10:56 AM
Ron,

Thanks for the post.  We ASC fans never rule out Trinity.  ;)

McUrry beat Peace (NC and USA South) 68-50.

Box Score (http://www.gopeacepacers.org/08-09basketball_stats/pcmr1219.htm)  Plenty of minutes for the deep bench for LIB.  Good to see that happening.

Big game today when LIB plays Bates (Maine).  Bates made the NCAA's in 2005 and 2006 and have started 6-1 this season.  (I did not find a pre-season poll on the NESCAC web site.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2008, 04:02:20 PM
at HPU 74, Lacollege 67
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2008, 05:32:31 PM
I have posted these thoughts numerous times and most recently on the men's board.

It applies to the women as well.

The conference should decide to count only intra-division games in the standings.

To wit, the road trips are not equitable.

Mississippi College played McM, HSU, HPU and SRSU on the road.

UT-Tyler caught those 4 at home!

Those schedules are not comparable!

I propose that the conference continue to play the full inter-division schedule.  That is a common sentiment among the coaches and AD's of the "fringe" teams, those teams on the far geographical extremes of the conference.  The value of those games is that they will still be "in-region" games in the eyes of the NCAA selection committee. 

But, at the end of the season, the travel variances that arise in the single round-robin create too great a discrepancy when considering division championships!

Next season, please change the format for determining the division championships to counting only double round-robin intradivisional games!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2008, 02:28:40 PM
McMurry is playing Bates (NESCAC) now.  I cannot find the Livestats on either school's or even on the sponsor's (SportTours.net) website.

This is a good game to win from a national perspective.  There are several good women's teams in New England, and a McMurry win would help the perception of the conference this season.

I will appreciate any updates.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2008, 06:14:26 PM
McMurry 66, Bates 42

A nice win!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2008, 09:14:12 PM
I asked Mark Simon tonight on Hoopsville to evaluate the wins the weekend versus Bates from the NESCAC (McMurry) and Babson from the NEWMAC (HSU).

He said that both teams were about 3rd in their conferences (both having 10 members.)

He thought that the two best conferences were the WIAC and the UAA.

The next group of four or five were the CCIW, the OAC, the SCAC and the ASC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2008, 09:30:59 PM
HSU 84, Babson 75 OT (http://www.hsuathletics.com/sports/w-baskbl/2008-09/stats/1220085.HTM)

Interesting box score.

HSU only went 6 deep.  Only six players had double digit minutes in an OT game, all having 20 or more minutes.  The others had 4, 5, 6, 6 and 7 minutes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2008, 09:37:22 PM
McMurry 66, Bates 42 (http://athletics.mcm.edu/Pdfs/wbball/2008/12/21/mcm-ba~1.htm)

McMurry gets a 16-2 run at the start of the second half (to 15:21 left) to break the game open.

45 turnovers.

Lots of players saw lots of minutes...definitely a different game than HSU's, but both are good for the conference!  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on December 21, 2008, 09:39:26 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2008, 09:14:12 PM
I asked Mark Simon tonight on Hoopsville to evaluate the wins the weekend versus Bates from the NESCAC (McMurry) and Babson from the NEWMAC (HSU).

He said that both teams were about 3rd in their conferences (both having 10 members.)

He thought that the two best conferences were the WIAC and the UAA.

The next group of four or five were the CCIW, the OAC, the SCAC and the ASC.

The McMurry/Bates score is interesting. They played #16 Southern Maine at home earlier this season and actually led midway through the second half before falling by ten. Bates won the NESCAC three years ago and I think they've finished third the last two years with a 15-10 record.

That is probably a pretty good breakdown of conferences from Mark. I think the ASC is 10-4 against the SCAC this year. Even though the matchups favored us, it is still impressive against a good league. I would like to see some of our women's teams matched up with the WIAC or UAA, because there aren't many conferences ahead of us IMO. This year is probably the deepest ever in the ASC. All eight teams in the ASC tournament will be solid.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2008, 10:02:27 PM
Of course we have not played the stronger teams in the SCAC.  See SCAC Media Guide...

QuoteThe 2008-09 season tips off Friday, November 14.
2008-09 SCAC Women's Basketball Predicted Order of Finish
Eastern Division No. of Votes 2007-08 Division 2007-08 Overall
1. Oglethorpe University 98 (8 ) 11-3 27-7
2. DePauw University 93 (3) 14-0 28-4
3. Centre College 51 4-10 7-16
4. Rhodes College 35 4-10 12-13
5. Sewanee – Univ. of the South 25 4-10 9-17
Western Division No. of Votes 2007-08 Division 2007-08 Overall
1. Trinity University 81 13-2 20-7
2. Hendrix College 63 6-9 13-13
3. Austin College 57 6-9 7-18
T-4. Colorado College 39 8-7 13-13
T-4. Southwestern University 35 6-9 12-14
6. Millsaps College 28 4-11 7-18
Note: First-place votes (in parentheses) are worth 11 points, second place worth 10 points, on down to 11th-place votes being worth one
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 22, 2008, 10:08:04 AM
And you would rank the two Eastern Division SCAC teams first, then Trinity, then there's big drop to the rest. 

Good W's for the ASC against their northern opponents, should help when they pick playoff teams at the end of the season. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 22, 2008, 11:34:39 AM
There is a good chance that the HPU home winning streak is still around for the return match with HSU on Feb 12th or McMurry on Feb 14th.   ;)

The tourney is on the West this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CTXassistant on December 22, 2008, 11:50:47 AM
I may be biased, but watch out for Concordia.  We played Texas State testerday and took then to Overtime.  Should have won as we had the ball with 20 seconds left.  Couldn't get the shot off.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on December 22, 2008, 12:42:53 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 22, 2008, 11:34:39 AM
There is a good chance that the HPU home winning streak is still around for the return match with HSU on Feb 12th or McMurry on Feb 14th.   ;)

The tourney is on the West this year.

Yep, and with the parity this year, home court advantage is very, very important at the tournament.  We'll be in Abilene first.  Those will also be great games.  I'll miss the HSU game, but I'll be at the McMurry game in Abilene (always a hard place to win).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on December 22, 2008, 01:10:28 PM
Quote from: CTXassistant on December 22, 2008, 11:50:47 AM
I may be biased, but watch out for Concordia.  We played Texas State testerday and took then to Overtime.  Should have won as we had the ball with 20 seconds left.  Couldn't get the shot off.

I wondered how Texas State was doing.  UTD plays them at their place on the 30th! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on December 22, 2008, 01:12:55 PM
UTD needs a good game against Texas State to get them ready for that "abilene swing" on the 3rd!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 22, 2008, 01:36:38 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on December 22, 2008, 01:12:55 PM
UTD needs a good game against Texas State to get them ready for that "abilene swing" on the 3rd!!!
"Abilene Swing"?

You make it sound like a song by Bob Wills or Asleep at the Wheel!

It is the Abilene Death March!  :D   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on December 23, 2008, 12:47:51 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 22, 2008, 01:36:38 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on December 22, 2008, 01:12:55 PM
UTD needs a good game against Texas State to get them ready for that "abilene swing" on the 3rd!!!
"Abilene Swing"?

You make it sound like a song by Bob Wills or Asleep at the Wheel!

It is the Abilene Death March!  :D   ;D

Hoping it is just a swing and not the other lol.  It will be a challenging weekend for the girls! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: UNCLE on December 23, 2008, 06:15:47 PM
Congratulations to HPU's Katy Sarem for being named the ASC West player of the week.  Way to Hustle Katy!  The Lady Jackets are still learning to play together as a team.  Once they figure that out !!!!
They are a young team, starting 2 sophmores and 3 juniors.  Go Lady Jackets.


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on December 24, 2008, 01:21:53 PM
Hey Ralph are you going to be at the McMurry/UTD game on the 3rd?  I am think about making the trip out.  Where is a good place to stay in Abilene?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 25, 2008, 01:51:39 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on December 24, 2008, 01:21:53 PM
Hey Ralph are you going to be at the McMurry/UTD game on the 3rd?  I am think about making the trip out.  Where is a good place to stay in Abilene?
I am on call that weekend!  (Pay back for getting T'day and Christmas off!   ;D )

The best restaurant (5-star) is the Perini Ranch Steak House in Buffalo Gap, IMHO.  (Google their web site for info.)

If you have "frequent flyer" arrangements with lodging chains for your job, the Fairfield (Marriott) and the Hampton (Hilton) are good.

Elegante Suites on the southside is a "suites" style property.

If you have a morning (2-hours) of tourist time, I strongly recommend Frontier Texas!  The Museum is outstanding.  Buffalo Gap Village south of town is another interesting site.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 30, 2008, 12:02:17 AM
Saw UHMB get a nice upset over #16 Southern Maine tonight, 82-73.  The Lady Cru went out to an early lead, then forgot what they had been doing and trailed by six at the half.  In the second half UMHB's team speed led to numerous turnovers and fast break points which turned the tide their way.   Landie Thompson recovered after a weak first half to lead UHMB with 18 points.   Southern Maine drops to 8-1 while UMHB improved to 4-3.  The Lady Cru will face Baldwin-Wallace, a surprising 72-57 winner over Trinity, tomorrow at 5pm.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 30, 2008, 10:46:37 PM
UMHB also lost to Baldwin-Wallace tonight, 74-67. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2009, 06:45:15 PM
McMurry is now 3-2 in conference with wins over Miss Coll, LaColl, and UT-Tyler and losses to HSU and UT-D.

That appears to be the toughest schedule to date.  Arguably, the next 6 games, home vs. Ozarks,  on the road vs LeTU and ETBU,and then home vs. TLU, Schrenier SRSU, will set the team up for the home game versus HPU.

The conference seems more balanced this year than any before.  We see 4-5 solid teams on the West, but the emergence of UT-Dallas and UT-Tyler has made the conference that much tougher.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2009, 11:04:55 PM
Inter-division records... ASC West

Team............W/L..........Crossover games remaining....Key outcome
HPU5-1at UTTLost to UTD, 55-77
UMHB4-1at LaColl, at MissCollLost to UTD 64-72
McM4-1at LeTU, at ETBULost to UTD 67-71
CTX3-2at MissColl, at LaCollLost to UTD 62-74, lost to UTT 83-103
HSU2-3UTD, at ETBU, at LeTULost to MissColl 68-69, lost at UTT 64-83, lost to UTD 82-83
TLU1-4at UTD, at UOzBeat LeTU 72-48
SRSU1-5at UTTBeat LaColl 62-59
Schreiner0-5at UOz, at UTDLost to LeTU 69-70
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2009, 11:20:13 PM
ASC-East Inter-division record

Team........W/L......Remaining Crossover Games....Key outcomes
UTD6-0TLU, SchrBeat HSU, McM, HPU, UMHB, CTX
MissColl4-2CTX, UMHBLost at McM 75-79, lost at HPU 56-59
UTT4-2HPU, SRSULost at McM 65-66, lost at UMHB 63-83
ETBU3-3HSU, McMLost to HPU, UMHB, CTX
LaColl2-4UMHB, CTXBeat Schreiner, TLU
LeTU2-4McM, HSUBeat Schreinier
UOz1-5Schreiner, TLUBeat SRSU
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2009, 11:47:43 PM
With the way that the women* count the inter-division games, this season is almost over in the East.

If UTD beats HSU on Monday evening, then they might have a 3-game lead before any intra-division play begins. (HPU sees that the handwriting on the wall;  UTT is tough!  UMHB and CTX are fighting for the 4th playoff slot, as are HPU, McM and HSU!)

I agree with playing the inter-divisional schedule, especially if the AD's and Presidents want to fill the schedules with D3 opponents, but counting the games towards the divisional title almost makes the Spring Semester moot.  :-\



*The men do it the same way...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1wildcatfan on January 04, 2009, 12:09:33 AM
Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to everyone!

LC won both games this week against two NAIA teams (Wiley College and Dillard University).

Tillisha #32 and Christy #12 both posted double-doubles against Wiley in a 75-64 win this past Thursday. It was our first game after coming back from Christmas break. Today I think Christy was our leading scorer with 16 points. Tillisha I think had 9 points and 10 or more rebounds.

Our big test comes this Thursday when we play UMHB at home. They are second in the west right now with a 4-1 record. LC has yet to lose at home this season. UMHB game is HUGE!

Congrats to Tillisha for winning conference player of the week for the second time this season. She also landed herself a spot on the D3 player of the week team.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on January 04, 2009, 02:49:00 PM
Well the first half of the Abilene (just for you Ralph lol) swing went well.  Starters did play major minutes and hope that doesn't affect us too bad on Monday.  Seriously doubt the East race is over even with a UTD win Monday but I see your point on it adversely affecting the standings.  Of course making pretty much the whole season conference games makes the whole season very important.  Hopefully HPU can do us a favor and beat UTT.  I plan to watch that game and it should be a good one.  Schedule sets up nicely for UTD after HSU with next 5 games at home before they visit UTT/LC and and MC in consecutive games!  By the way when do the new rankings come out (Monday or Tuesday)?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2009, 02:58:04 PM
The only thing about the Abilene Death March (  ;) ) is that there is not a 3-hour bus trip between the pair of games!

Since the women host the tourney this year, I guess that I need you to beat HSU to give our rivals another loss.  I also think that I need UTD to continue to win for the sake of (South) regional rankings.

Lyndsey Smith is a real find.  UTD is almost a perfect fit for her, but if someone wants to offer an athletic scholarship, then I am happy very happy for her!  :D   ;D   ; 8)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2009, 02:59:21 PM
I think that the next Top 25 comes out on Monday night/Tuesday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on January 05, 2009, 01:26:40 AM
UTD is loaded with talented freshman.  Most aren't getting much playing time but they will make their mark in the coming seasons if they stay together.  UTD doesn't have a single senior this year either.  Conference may have to deal with them for a while!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2009, 09:37:22 PM
Inter-division records... ASC West  (thru Jan 5th games)

Team............W/L..........Crossover games remaining....Key outcome
HPU5-1at UTTLost to UTD, 55-77
UMHB4-1at LaColl, at MissCollLost to UTD 64-72
McM4-1at LeTU, at ETBULost to UTD 67-71
CTX3-2at MissColl, at LaCollLost to UTD 62-74, lost to UTT 83-103
HSU2-3UTD, at ETBU, at LeTULost to MissColl 68-69, lost at UTT 64-83, lost to UTD 82-83
TLU1-4at UTD, at UOzBeat LeTU 72-48
SRSU1-5at UTTBeat LaColl 62-59
Schreiner0-5at UOz, at UTDLost to LeTU 69-70
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2009, 09:37:59 PM
ASC-East Inter-division record  (thru games of Jan 5th)

Team........W/L......Remaining Crossover Games....Key outcomes
UTD6-0TLU, SchrBeat HSU, McM, HPU, UMHB, CTX
MissColl4-2CTX, UMHBLost at McM 75-79, lost at HPU 56-59
UTT4-2HPU, SRSULost at McM 65-66, lost at UMHB 63-83
ETBU3-3HSU, McMLost to HPU, UMHB, CTX
LaColl2-4UMHB, CTXBeat Schreiner, TLU
LeTU2-4McM, HSUBeat Schreinier
UOz1-5Schreiner, TLUBeat SRSU
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2009, 11:00:27 PM
CTX 70 UMHB (from the CTX website).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on January 05, 2009, 11:06:30 PM
Well the UTD website called it the abilene "sweep" after the win against HSU so I guess we have a new name for it (couldn't resist ralph).  Has any east school ever sweep the west in a regular season?  From the history of the league it looks doubtful but just wondering.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2009, 11:19:56 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on January 05, 2009, 11:06:30 PM
Well the UTD website called it the abilene "sweep" after the win against HSU so I guess we have a new name for it (couldn't resist ralph).  Has any east school ever sweep the west in a regular season?  From the history of the league it looks doubtful but just wondering.  
I think that is correct.

I also believe that Polly Thomason was a member of the last ASC-East team to make the NCAA's.

Not a single ASC-East team has made the NCAA's in the 21st Century!  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2009, 09:13:46 PM
At UTT 61 HPU 58.

At UOz 58, Schreiner 53 from UOz live stats.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2009, 09:16:54 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2009, 09:37:22 PM
Inter-division records... ASC West  (thru Jan 5th games)



Team............W/L..........Crossover games remaining....Key outcome
McM5-1at ETBULost to UTD 67-71
UMHB5-1at MissCollLost to UTD 64-72
HPU5-2Lost to UTD, 55-77, at UTT 58-61
CTX3-3at LaCollLost to UTD 62-74, lost to UTT 83-103, lost at MC 69-88
HSU3-3at LeTULost to MissColl 68-69, lost at UTT 64-83, lost to UTD 82-83
TLU1-5at UOzBeat LeTU 72-48
SRSU1-5at UTTBeat LaColl 62-59
Schreiner0-6at UTDLost to LeTU 69-70

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2009, 09:22:57 PM
Thru Jan 8, record in crossover games...

Team........W/L......Remaining Crossover Games....Key outcomes
UTD7-0SchrBeat HSU, McM, HPU, UMHB, CTX
MissColl5-2UMHBLost at McM 75-79, lost at HPU 56-59. Won at HSU
UTT5-2SRSULost at McM 65-66, lost at UMHB 63-83, beat HPU, HSU
ETBU3-4McMLost to HPU, UMHB, CTX
LaColl2-5CTXBeat Schreiner, TLU
LeTU2-5HSUBeat Schreinier
UOz2-5TLUBeat SRSU
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 09, 2009, 05:05:00 PM
Sometimes, I hate it when I am right, and my predictions about 2-3 losses may be true at least in the West.  I have not seen every game, but have seen the biggest portion of the in town games, but still believe in the LIB.  Where is everybody on this board?? All the old stand bys have seemed to gone quiet.........except of course for Ralph.  Where oh where is dballa, jacket84, calhsu, everybody gets quiet when they aren't kicking a##### and taking names.  Even me....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2009, 03:39:33 PM
Inter-division records... ASC West  (thru Jan 10th games)

Team............W/L..........Key outcome
McM6-1Lost to UTD 67-71
UMHB5-2Lost to UTD 64-72, lost at Miss Coll 45-61
HPU5-2Lost to UTD, 55-77, at UTT 58-61
HSU4-3Lost to MissColl 68-69, lost at UTT 64-83, lost to UTD 82-83
CTX3-4Lost to UTD 62-74, lost to UTT 83-103, lost at MC 69-88, lost at LaColl 50-68
TLU1-6Beat LeTU 72-48
SRSU0-7Lost to LaColl 35-54
Schreiner0-7Lost to LeTU 69-70
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2009, 03:43:04 PM
Thru Jan 10, record in crossover games...

Team........W/L......Key outcomes
UTD8-0Beat HSU, McM, HPU, UMHB, CTX
MissColl6-2Lost at McM 75-79, lost at HPU 56-59. Won at HSU, beat UMHB 61-45
UTT6-2Lost at McM 65-66, lost at UMHB 63-83, beat HPU, HSU
LaColl4-4Beat Schreiner, TLU, CTX, SRSU
ETBU3-5Lost to HPU, UMHB, CTX, HSU, McM
UOz3-5Beat SRSU, TLU, Schreiner
LeTU2-6Won at Schreiner, at SRSU
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2009, 07:40:01 PM
Box score UTT 61, HPU 58 (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2008-2009/wbasketball/2008-12w.htm)

UTT only goes 6-deep on the team.  HPU is going 10-deep with solid double digit minutes for those 10 players.

How did UTT beat y'all?

It looks like the key to UTT will be to get into their bench.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 10, 2009, 08:53:32 PM
Fanstand,
Others are here, just not posting because I at least don't have much to say.  I haven't been able to figure out the LIB except that they seem very inconsistent.  They either play very well as in the win against UTT, or awful as in the near-loss to LC.  Different people step up in different games, which is good, but no one seems to be someone who is consistently good, like, say, Bo Warm on the HSU team who is nearly 100% getting points if you let her get open.  So, if you get a game where no one manages to step up, you're in trouble.  Maybe the team just has yet to jell with the new players.  I'm optimistic for the future, but I can't see any obvious line of development yet.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on January 11, 2009, 01:07:51 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2009, 07:40:01 PM
Box score UTT 61, HPU 58 (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2008-2009/wbasketball/2008-12w.htm)

UTT only goes 6-deep on the team.  HPU is going 10-deep with solid double digit minutes for those 10 players.

How did UTT beat y'all?

It looks like the key to UTT will be to get into their bench.

I saw the game and I am not sure why UTT didn't use bench much.  At least one girl didn't play that was starting earlier in the season.  HPU just doesn't have that go to player that gets them a bucket when they need it (not just talking about at the end of the game either).  Neither team shot the ball well.  UT Tyler played zone alot which was a surprise and it seemed to slow both teams down.  I don't think HPU expected the slower pace that UTT ran compared to earlier in the season. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2009, 03:22:13 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on January 11, 2009, 01:07:51 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2009, 07:40:01 PM
Box score UTT 61, HPU 58 (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2008-2009/wbasketball/2008-12w.htm)

UTT only goes 6-deep on the team.  HPU is going 10-deep with solid double digit minutes for those 10 players.

How did UTT beat y'all?

It looks like the key to UTT will be to get into their bench.

I saw the game and I am not sure why UTT didn't use bench much.  At least one girl didn't play that was starting earlier in the season.  HPU just doesn't have that go to player that gets them a bucket when they need it (not just talking about at the end of the game either).  Neither team shot the ball well.  UT Tyler played zone alot which was a surprise and it seemed to slow both teams down.  I don't think HPU expected the slower pace that UTT ran compared to earlier in the season. 
Yeah, how do you replace D3 player of the year Meia Daniels?  ???

In the absence of Tarra Richardson, McMurry is getting solid play out of the remaining cast of characters, and have configured their game around new post Anna Berthel to complement the remaining talent.  McMurry may be filling that void more easily than HPU is filling Daniels.

(In some respects, it seems to have been harder to replace McM all-American point guard Symbri Tuttle in the 2007-08 season.  Nevertheless, the 2007-08 team did very well, especially winning the first round playoff game versus Trinity!)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 13, 2009, 08:31:00 PM
MissColl 63, LaCollege 60
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 15, 2009, 07:41:21 PM
Amber Horton has left the McMurry team.  Since she was our top scorer so far in the season, averaging 14.8 points per game, the LIB are going to have to make some major adjustments.  Who's going to step up?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on January 16, 2009, 08:12:50 AM
HPU looked good last night against CU.  The final score 74-56 was not indicitive of the game.  HPU had CU down by 37 in the second half.  CU cut the lead while HPU had all freshman on the floor.  HPU defense looked the best I've seen this year. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lcwildcatfan on January 16, 2009, 10:53:12 AM
Congrats to Lady Cats for the awesome win last night against UTT at their place! LC beat UTT 71-66. I think we might finally be coming together as a team. We should have never lost to MC at home. We can't complete 40 minutes a game until last night. We are off until next Thursday when we host ETBU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2009, 03:00:51 PM
Quote from: lcwildcatfan on January 16, 2009, 10:53:12 AM
Congrats to Lady Cats for the awesome win last night against UTT at their place! LC beat UTT 71-66. I think we might finally be coming together as a team. We should have never lost to MC at home. We can't complete 40 minutes a game until last night. We are off until next Thursday when we host ETBU.
Big win going after that 4th playoff slot!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on January 20, 2009, 01:28:39 PM
Big game Thursday at UTT for UT Dallas.  Starts a brutal 5-6 game stretch against UTT, MC and LC.  I really don't understand scheduling though why play MC and LC on the road and then the next week play them at home? I guess there are a lot of things strange in this conference lol
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 20, 2009, 11:15:59 PM
Massey Ratings came out this week and the ASC is well represented.  UT-Dallas is 7th, MS College is 22nd and McMurry is 24th.

If you use the Massey ratings with margin of victory also factored in, MS College is 10th and UT-Dallas is 14th.

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw (http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The Jinx on January 21, 2009, 11:46:34 PM
I believe Amber Horton has returned.  Don't know whats going on, but thats nwhat I hear.  We'll see V SLSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2009, 07:27:53 AM
Around the Nation (http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/) features HPU-McM women!

It is a great read.

Matt captures the flavor of that rivalry!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lcwildcatfan on January 23, 2009, 09:21:55 AM
I have some disheartening news that I would like to inform you about. Coach Richard was just diagnosed with cancer in the spine. The girls came out Thursday night with pink beads on their shoes and some even had pink shoe strings. They also had pink pre-wrap and pink wristbands. She had her first treatment yesterday. I would like to see if I can get the college world of basketball to show some support for her and if it is only Division III that's fine. She lost her job in San Jose State 3 years ago because she was diagnosed with breast cancer that is how she wound back at her alma mater. Please keep her and her family in your thoughts and prayers!

This hits me really hard because I lost my dad to cancer 3 years ago this father's day. So anyone with any ideas on what I can do to spread the word to other coaches or anyone knows how to setup a foundation or charity because I want to start one.

I created a website at www.caringbridge.org/visit/coachjanicejosephrichard if you would like to leave her a message!

Thanks so much and God bless!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on January 23, 2009, 09:44:37 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2009, 07:27:53 AM
Around the Nation (http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/) features HPU-McM women!

It is a great read.

Matt captures the flavor of that rivalry!
After watching HPU play Concordia, I thought HPU had finally turned the corner.  After watching them play MHB and HSU, I'm not so sure any more.  Even when HPU had their best team, it was very, very hard playing McMurry in Abilene.  Always a hard place to win.  After seeing how McMurry blew out SR, HPU will have to play above their heads to be competitive Saturday night.  I know it's early, but odds are the tournament will be in Abilene this year.
Title: Louisiana College Women's Basketball Coach
Post by: lcwildcatfan on January 23, 2009, 11:49:15 AM
I have some disheartening news that I would like to inform you about. Coach Richard was just diagnosed with cancer in the spine. The girls came out Thursday night with pink beads on their shoes and some even had pink shoe strings. They also had pink pre-wrap and pink wristbands. She had her first treatment yesterday. I would like to see if I can get the college world of basketball to show some support for her and if it is only Division III that's fine. She lost her job in San Jose State 3 years ago because she was diagnosed with breast cancer that is how she wound back at her alma mater. Please keep her and her family in your thoughts and prayers!

This hits me really hard because I lost my dad to cancer 3 years ago this father's day. So anyone with any ideas on what I can do to spread the word to other coaches or anyone knows how to setup a foundation or charity because I want to start one.

I created a website at www.caringbridge.org/visit/coachjanicejosephrichard if you would like to leave her a message!

Thanks so much and God bless!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on January 23, 2009, 01:42:20 PM
Nice win last night for UTD at UTT.  They broke a nine game losing streak to UTT in the process.  Team is so balanced and had 5 players last night with 12 or more. Next week's games at LC and MC will be big in determining the East Champion.  This will be their last hard road trip with those 2 and UTT still having to go to UTD.   HPU and McM game should be a good one.  I am rooting for MCM just because I would rather go to Abilene than Brownwood for the conference tourney (a little more to do there lol)   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2009, 01:52:32 AM
Good to see you fanstand!

Great game by McMurry.  McM 61 HPU 50.

There are no seniors on the HPU team.

(I would like to double-promote Hope Hohertz, tho'!   :D  )
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 25, 2009, 04:07:22 AM
You too Ralph. Nice to be able to visit and discuss some basketball with you. I was very impressed with our defense today, especially in the first half.  When was the last time HPU was held to 19 points in the first half?  Hopefully we will continue to improve.  HPU is down but oh so far from out of the mix.  It would really be nice to host the tourney this year, but we will have to knock off HSU on Feb. 2nd.  Lots of ball still left to play.  Go LIB...........
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The Jinx on January 26, 2009, 12:25:14 AM
This was my first McM v HPU game to attend, I could feel the electricity in the building 30 minutes before start.  Needless to say I had butterflies throughout.  I cant get enough of American Lonestar Conference.  I love it!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2009, 12:45:41 AM
Welcome to the boards, Jinx!

If you think that HPU-McM was fun, you will get more of the same with HSU at McM.

Pat Coleman saw this game and took these pictures.  Look at the young Tarra Richardson, before she began her conditioning program with Brittany Densman!

HSU 78, at McM 77 2OT gallery (http://www.d3hoops.com/gallery.php?gallery=36835)

Game story (http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=36835)  Look at those names...HSU's Diana Martinez, McMurry's Symbri Tuttle and Tarra Richrdson!  Each an All-American!  ;)


I also encourage you to drive to Brownwood for the re-match in the "Brown County Mausoleum"!  (Get yourself some Underwood's Barbecue before the game.  ;) )

Here are photo (please scroll to Feb 25, 2007) (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2007/2) of the 2007 ASC championship game where 3680 fans saw the HPU-McMurry ASC Championship game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 26, 2009, 11:23:22 AM
Check out the picture from the Abilene Reporter-News at
http://www.reporternews.com/news/2009/jan/24/triumphant-day-for-mcm/
It is from the McM-HPU game.   It shows McM's Anna Berthel blocking a shot by HPU's Elaine Hobbs.  Didn't the refs call a foul on Anna for the block?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 26, 2009, 11:29:54 AM
Looks like all ball to me......
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on January 26, 2009, 11:37:16 AM
The picture shows a clean block.  It's just you can't see what's taking place between them.  She may have gotten her with the lower body.  That's what usually happens.

By the way, I enjoyed the band at MCM.  Do they make it to all the home games?   If so,
could HPU borrow them when we're playing at home and MCM is on the road? ;D The HPU band can't seem to find the time to come to home games.   They only show up for playoffs. >:(  And, then they have to compete with the boom box at the announcers table.
   It was really nice to hear live music vs. the CD mix that one person thinks is great.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 26, 2009, 06:01:32 PM
Saturday was the first time for the band at McM.  I think we're taking a leaf from the HSU playbook, which has their band at home games a lot.  While it would be great to have a repeat performance when we play HSU, this was probably a one-shot deal for Saturday's student preview day.  We'll find out in a week...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on January 26, 2009, 08:47:21 PM
They did a great job.  I hope they continue to come back and support your BB teams.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2009, 08:19:13 PM
Thanks for the webcast TLU!  Final TLU 91, at  Schreiner 71!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lcwildcatfan on January 29, 2009, 01:38:49 PM
Congratulations to Tillisha Givens for being awarded East Player of the Week for the 3rd time this season. She also picked up LA State Player of the Week. Tonight is a big game for the Lady Cats as UTD comes to H.O.W. Fieldhouse undefeated tonight. It is also Field the Fieldhouse!

GEAUX LADY CATS!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The Jinx on January 29, 2009, 11:03:36 PM
McM continues streak!  Good job and good luck.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lcwildcatfan on January 30, 2009, 09:44:00 AM
LC did not play a great game yesterday. We got ourselves in a hole that we couldn't get ourselves out of. UTD opened up the game with a 10-0 run. The game came down to the wire Christy Pantallion shot the ball with 10 seconds left and missed but Tillisha Givens rebounded the ball and went up with the shot and the ref called a jump ball as time expired. Yes it is a heartbreaker but not really because we did not play for a full 40 minutes of LC basketball.

Saturday's game against Ozarks we are calling the "Pink Game". We are asking everyone that comes to the game to wear pink in honor of surviving cancer patients. The first 100 cancer survivors will get a pink carnation. We are also collecting change for the ASC "Make A Change". 

GEAUX LADY CATS!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on January 31, 2009, 08:17:43 PM
MC defeated UTD 74-64 this afternoon in an excellent contest.  MC went ahead early in the first half and never trailed and led as much as 13 points in the second half.  These two teams meet next Saturday in a rematch and I hope it is just as good a game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2009, 11:12:43 PM
Quote from: The Jinx on January 29, 2009, 11:03:36 PM
McM continues streak!  Good job and good luck.
You spoke too soon.

CTX 73 McM 70 (http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/wbball/2009/1/31/CTXW.asp)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on January 31, 2009, 11:24:34 PM
UTD lost a tough one on the road to MC.  It was almost like playing in another state lol.  UTD shot poorly the 1st half and especially in the paint.  Most of the stats were even.   The difference was at the line with MC shooting 31 FT to 14 for UTD.  The rematch next Saturday at UTD should be a good one!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 01, 2009, 12:07:59 AM
A couple notes from the MC vs UT-Dallas game today. I was very impressed with UTD, they will be tough to beat in Dallas. They are big and very physical, and they are well coached. The ASC might not have a team like HPU last year, but the league has not slipped overall from what I've seen. There are a few new teams at the top, but the quality is still there and the depth is improved. The ASC tourney this year will feature eight good teams who could win, that has never been the case.

I would disagree that the only difference today was free throws. MS College controlled the game and it stayed pretty much a 10-point margin the final 10-12 minutes. MC shot the ball better overall (44%-41%), shot better from 3-point range (50%-40%), won the rebounding battle (37-32) and had fewer turnovers (14-18).

MC did shoot more free throws but the edge was 25-14 with a minute left before the fouling. MC did a better job getting the ball to the post. MC's two starting forwards took about half the actual shots for the team and went to the line a combined 21 times. UTD forwards shot eight 3-pointers, MC's shot none. UTD shot 15 three's overall and MC shot eight.

As a team MC usually shoots more free throws because they have four good post players and work to get the ball inside. After today, MC has shot 71 more free throws than their opponents. UTD has shot 10 more. Also, MC might be the nation's best 3-point shooting team by percentage after this week (.440) but UTD has shot 90 more (290-200).

MC was the better team today but beating that team in Dallas will be tough. It should be a great game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The Jinx on February 01, 2009, 12:20:25 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2009, 11:12:43 PM
Quote from: The Jinx on January 29, 2009, 11:03:36 PM
McM continues streak!  Good job and good luck.
You spoke too soon.

CTX 73 McM 70 (http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/wbball/2009/1/31/CTXW.asp)

Looks like I spoke too soon.   Next But, this is why the game is played.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2009, 12:23:21 AM
Quote from: The Jinx on February 01, 2009, 12:20:25 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2009, 11:12:43 PM
Quote from: The Jinx on January 29, 2009, 11:03:36 PM
McM continues streak!  Good job and good luck.
You spoke too soon.

CTX 73 McM 70 (http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/wbball/2009/1/31/CTXW.asp)

Looks like I spoke too soon.   Next But, this is why the game is played.
The Rumble in Kimbrell on Monday night!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2009, 08:37:26 AM
Chris, I agree.  We don't have an undefeated national champion this year, but the ASC-West is now five teams strong!

And Steven Cochran will make CTX even tougher!  :)

McM and HSU are in the midst of a gauntlet.

McMurry has played  host to HPU, at UMHB, at CTX, host HSU, host UMHB, host CTX, at SRSU and then at HPU.

HSU has host HPU, host SRSU, at CTX, at UMHB, at McM, host CTX, host UMHB, and at HPU!

That is 7 of 8 against the best in the West!   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on February 02, 2009, 12:33:41 AM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on February 01, 2009, 12:07:59 AM
A couple notes from the MC vs UT-Dallas game today. I was very impressed with UTD, they will be tough to beat in Dallas. They are big and very physical, and they are well coached. The ASC might not have a team like HPU last year, but the league has not slipped overall from what I've seen. There are a few new teams at the top, but the quality is still there and the depth is improved. The ASC tourney this year will feature eight good teams who could win, that has never been the case.

I would disagree that the only difference today was free throws. MS College controlled the game and it stayed pretty much a 10-point margin the final 10-12 minutes. MC shot the ball better overall (44%-41%), shot better from 3-point range (50%-40%), won the rebounding battle (37-32) and had fewer turnovers (14-18).

MC did shoot more free throws but the edge was 25-14 with a minute left before the fouling. MC did a better job getting the ball to the post. MC's two starting forwards took about half the actual shots for the team and went to the line a combined 21 times. UTD forwards shot eight 3-pointers, MC's shot none. UTD shot 15 three's overall and MC shot eight.

As a team MC usually shoots more free throws because they have four good post players and work to get the ball inside. After today, MC has shot 71 more free throws than their opponents. UTD has shot 10 more. Also, MC might be the nation's best 3-point shooting team by percentage after this week (.440) but UTD has shot 90 more (290-200).

MC was the better team today but beating that team in Dallas will be tough. It should be a great game.

Not arguing with your % but both teams made the exact same amount of fields goals 23 with UTD making 2 more 3 pointers so they won the FG battle by 2 points.  Both teams shot 7 of 8 from FT line the first half.  Second half UTD shot  5 of 6 (2 of those with under 2 minutes also).  MC shot 17 of 23.  With 5:43 left it was 9 fouls to 2.  Not trying to take anything away from MC they were the better team yesterday but facts are facts they won it at the line!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 02, 2009, 11:40:29 PM
The McM LIB are back in the lead again, 77-71 over a barnburner against HSU at Kimbrell Arena.  I think the key was HSU's Newcombe getting 3 fouls in the first half and having to sit out much of the game; when she came back in in the second half, she was deadly, but it wasn't quite enough.  I'm sure we'll meet again for game #3 in the tournament...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 03, 2009, 11:28:44 AM
I was at the game, and it is always sweet when you win the crosstown rivalary. I thought the really big difference in the game was the bench play of LIB. They were very strong, and MANY played a lot of minutes and did really well defensively and offensively. HSU players had to play lots of minutes and I think the defense really wore them down this game. I really think the big factor in the game was the swimming team, coming in from practice in their speedos, chanting LIB!!!!! It was great, I'm still rubbing my eyes...............
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2009, 11:53:57 AM
Quote from: fanstand on February 03, 2009, 11:28:44 AM
I was at the game, and it is always sweet when you win the crosstown rivalary. I thought the really big difference in the game was the bench play of LIB. They were very strong, and MANY played a lot of minutes and did really well defensively and offensively. HSU players had to play lots of minutes and I think the defense really wore them down this game. I really think the big factor in the game was the swimming team, coming in from practice in their speedos, chanting LIB!!!!! It was great, I'm still rubbing my eyes...............
The bench play was critical.

One other thing about the good bench play is preserving the legs and bodies at this time of the season for the entire team.

We are in a tough stretch of games.  It is nice to get quality minutes and production out of the deep bench.

McM-HSU box score (http://www.ascsports.org/sports/wbball/2008-09/wbb0202a.htm)

Having this depth is critical for the long season. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2009, 11:55:53 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 02, 2009, 11:40:29 PM
The McM LIB are back in the lead again, 77-71 over a barnburner against HSU at Kimbrell Arena.  I think the key was HSU's Newcombe getting 3 fouls in the first half and having to sit out much of the game; when she came back in in the second half, she was deadly, but it wasn't quite enough.  I'm sure we'll meet again for game #3 in the tournament...
Lindsey Newcombe is an outstanding post.

We are fortunate to have so many outstanding posts in the conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on February 03, 2009, 01:25:31 PM
UTD took a big drop in the polls to #25 but I guess it is good to see MC jump into the poll for the conference.  Poll looks hard to climb up in for the ASC but easy to drop! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 03, 2009, 03:12:56 PM
That's what we get for beating each other up.  It will be tough considering the losses to break into the top 25. But polls don't mean anything, so they tell me.....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 03, 2009, 04:40:09 PM
Quote from: fanstand on February 03, 2009, 03:12:56 PM
That's what we get for beating each other up.  It will be tough considering the losses to break into the top 25. But polls don't mean anything, so they tell me.....

Just my opinion, but the biggest reason MC and UTD have had a hard time moving up the polls is that they came out of nowhere this year. It's always harder to move teams higher up in the poll when they haven't been there the last few years.

But there is plenty of information to support them being much higher.

For one, the ASC is one of the strongest women's basketball conferences in the country in my opinion. In the last three years, we've had one national champion (HPU 08), two different schools reach the final four (HPU 08, HSU 06) and three different teams make the sweet sixteen (HPU 08, HPU 07, HSU 06). Twice we had an ASC team knocked out early by another ASC team.  HSU was also an elite eight team in 2004. That is a strong resume.

The Massey ratings (computer rankings) also give the ASC a lot of credit this year. UTD is 9th, MC is 12th, HSU is 23rd and McMurry 24th. The Massey ratings that factor in margin of victory have MC 7th, UTD 12th and HSU 24th. www.masseyratings.com

The Top 25 poll is a great honor, it's hard to get into with so many competing teams, but the regional rankings will be more important. Hopefully the ASC will be well represented there.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2009, 05:28:05 PM
Well, Chris mentioned Massey while this post was being composed.  McMurry comes in at #31 in Massey MOV, and we beat HSU last night.  We have Louisiana College at #55, HPU at #57, UMHB at #58, and UT-Tyler at #66.



Quote from: SabineBBall on February 03, 2009, 01:25:31 PM
UTD took a big drop in the polls to #25 but I guess it is good to see MC jump into the poll for the conference.  Poll looks hard to climb up in for the ASC but easy to drop! 

Quote from: fanstand on February 03, 2009, 03:12:56 PM
That's what we get for beating each other up.  It will be tough considering the losses to break into the top 25. But polls don't mean anything, so they tell me.....

I really like Massey Ratings MOV (http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=1) (Margin of Victory) for a computerized ranking service.

You can see how close everyone is.  Take a "snapshot" of this week's Massey MOV and see what one week of late conference play does to the rankings.   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 04, 2009, 01:22:16 PM
After careful analysis, I've come to the conclusion that we blew it Monday night.  In our own best interest, the LIB should have lost to Hardin-Simmons.  Whoever wins the West hosts the ASC tournament this year.  The chances are that McM and HSU will face off again in that tournament.  To win the conference -- which is more important than winning the division -- McM will have to win that tournament game (as well as all the other tournament games it plays).  I did some research over the last five years of games between McM and HSU, a total of 12 matches including two post-season games, from 2004 to the present.  Playing at McM, the two teams are tied at 3 wins apiece.  But playing at HSU, McM has won 4 games but HSU has beaten McM only twice.  So, if we at McM want to win that final third match against HSU, our best chance is to lose a few games so that HSU hosts the tournament.  Of course, the opposite applies to HSU.  Each of us should be rooting for our team to lose right now!  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2009, 05:31:30 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 04, 2009, 01:22:16 PM
After careful analysis, I've come to the conclusion that we blew it Monday night.  In our own best interest, the LIB should have lost to Hardin-Simmons.  Whoever wins the West hosts the ASC tournament this year.  The chances are that McM and HSU will face off again in that tournament.  To win the conference -- which is more important than winning the division -- McM will have to win that tournament game (as well as all the other tournament games it plays).  I did some research over the last five years of games between McM and HSU, a total of 12 matches including two post-season games, from 2004 to the present.  Playing at McM, the two teams are tied at 3 wins apiece.  But playing at HSU, McM has won 4 games but HSU has beaten McM only twice.  So, if we at McM want to win that final third match against HSU, our best chance is to lose a few games so that HSU hosts the tournament.  Of course, the opposite applies to HSU.  Each of us should be rooting for our team to lose right now!  ;D
Sounds like European (French Military (http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/jokes/bljokefrenchmilitaryhistory.htm)) history to me...   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 04, 2009, 06:04:14 PM
What can I say, Ralph?  Several years ago, I offered a course in French history at McMurry.  No one signed up for it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on February 04, 2009, 10:29:06 PM
How does UTD's loss to D1 Texas State factor in?  I know it hurts us showing another loss and I see a lot of schools play d1's as exhibitions.  I assume it hurts you in the polls because most don't see anything but w/l but not for anything else?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2009, 10:34:41 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on February 04, 2009, 10:29:06 PM
How does UTD's loss to D1 Texas State factor in?  I know it hurts us showing another loss and I see a lot of schools play d1's as exhibitions.  I assume it hurts you in the polls because most don't see anything but w/l but not for anything else?
Here is the Handbook (http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/basketball/2009/3_wbasketball_handbook.pdf).

Only in-region games versus D-III full members are considered by the committee.

McMurry's wins over NAIA-1 Univ of the Southwest and D-III Bates (New England Region) and loss to NAIA-1 Wayland Baptist are not counted.

I cannot overstate the importance of knowing the Handbook, cover-to-cover!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2009, 11:21:12 AM
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/tunein.php) features Louisiana College tonight.

It audio-streams at 6-8pm EST, and will be archived for listening later.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on February 05, 2009, 08:42:17 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2009, 10:34:41 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on February 04, 2009, 10:29:06 PM
How does UTD's loss to D1 Texas State factor in?  I know it hurts us showing another loss and I see a lot of schools play d1's as exhibitions.  I assume it hurts you in the polls because most don't see anything but w/l but not for anything else?
Here is the Handbook (http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/basketball/2009/3_wbasketball_handbook.pdf).

Only in-region games versus D-III full members are considered by the committee.

McMurry's wins over NAIA-1 Univ of the Southwest and D-III Bates (New England Region) and loss to NAIA-1 Wayland Baptist are not counted.

I cannot overstate the importance of knowing the Handbook, cover-to-cover!

Sounds like it lol.  Makes sense not counting other games but someone please explain the rationale for not counting D3 games if they are not in your region.  Sounds like that would give you some idea of regional strength.  Only thing I can fathom is it makes teams stay regional and would give teams that could afford to travel out of region an advantage.  Really hard to understand not counting games against your d3 peers.  IMO
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2009, 09:09:38 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on February 05, 2009, 08:42:17 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2009, 10:34:41 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on February 04, 2009, 10:29:06 PM
How does UTD's loss to D1 Texas State factor in?  I know it hurts us showing another loss and I see a lot of schools play d1's as exhibitions.  I assume it hurts you in the polls because most don't see anything but w/l but not for anything else?
Here is the Handbook (http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/basketball/2009/3_wbasketball_handbook.pdf).

Only in-region games versus D-III full members are considered by the committee.

McMurry's wins over NAIA-1 Univ of the Southwest and D-III Bates (New England Region) and loss to NAIA-1 Wayland Baptist are not counted.

I cannot overstate the importance of knowing the Handbook, cover-to-cover!

Sounds like it lol.  Makes sense not counting other games but someone please explain the rationale for not counting D3 games if they are not in your region.  Sounds like that would give you some idea of regional strength.  Only thing I can fathom is it makes teams stay regional and would give teams that could afford to travel out of region an advantage.  Really hard to understand not counting games against your d3 peers.  IMO
D3 has always emphasized a regional focus and not missing class time.  In more compact regions, this is more apparent.

In some cases, playing a non-region opponent allows a team to get games into the schedule that permits the coach to experiment.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 07, 2009, 03:48:11 PM
Tough loss for MC falling 61-54 at UT-Dallas. MC turned the ball over too many times and couldn't get to the line enough. Hard to win with six more turnovers (21-15) and outscored by 19 at the free throw line (4-6, 23-26).

Two of our top four scorers went scoreless, so you have to give credit to UTD's defense. They are very physical and it sounded like it gave us problems. We took 16 3-s which is a season high for us, we're usually not that perimeter. Hopefully, we can win the last four games and enter the ASC Tournament with a 22-3 record. That should be good enough for an at-large bid if we don't get the automatic bid.

I wouldn't be surprised to see another matchup with UTD in the tourney.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2009, 12:47:18 AM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on February 07, 2009, 03:48:11 PM
Tough loss for MC falling 61-54 at UT-Dallas. MC turned the ball over too many times and couldn't get to the line enough. Hard to win with six more turnovers (21-15) and outscored by 19 at the free throw line (4-6, 23-26).

Two of our top four scorers went scoreless, so you have to give credit to UTD's defense. They are very physical and it sounded like it gave us problems. We took 16 3-s which is a season high for us, we're usually not that perimeter. Hopefully, we can win the last four games and enter the ASC Tournament with a 22-3 record. That should be good enough for an at-large bid if we don't get the automatic bid.

I wouldn't be surprised to see another matchup with UTD in the tourney.
Chris, we will see the first regional rankings this week.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on February 09, 2009, 08:42:56 PM
UTD 70 at UO 56 tonight.  UT Tyler coming in to town Thursday.  UTD can all but wrap up the east title with a win! I am sure UTT will get after it to keep that from happening against them!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on February 09, 2009, 09:04:35 PM
I see the newest poll makes my point about the ASC conference.  Lose to Miss on the road drop 7.  Beat Miss college go up 3 and get jumped by 2 new teams.  I don't know who does this poll but does the ASC have a rep that votes?  It appears all the voters are located up north!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2009, 09:13:39 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on February 09, 2009, 09:04:35 PM
I see the newest poll makes my point about the ASC conference.  Lose to Miss on the road drop 7.  Beat Miss college go up 3 and get jumped by 2 new teams.  I don't know who does this poll but does the ASC have a rep that votes?  It appears all the voters are located up north!
Actually the Poll has 3 representatives from the South Region, it is just that as big as the ASC is, we only have 15 teams of the 400+ that play basketball.  Some of the South Region love is going to 2008 Final Four Oglethorpe.

Nobody sees us that frequently.  The HPU rose lost its bloom.  We don't have a new "queen".

There are some very strong teams in our way, too.  The George Fox team has my attention.  Two years ago, HPU (with 2008 POTY Meia Daniels) had 2 fastbreak points in a loss to Puget Sound which had beaten McMurry and GFU.  GFU has just reloaded since then.

I am not worried about top 25's.  The women don't have to carry that pressure on them.  Getting out of a "Texas Sub-bracket" will be tough enough.   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2009, 09:19:22 PM
Massey Ratings MOV (http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=1) has UTD #9 overall, and the ASC at #8 as a conference (even with our bottom 6 teams.)

See also MissColl #13, McMurry #23, HSU #24, LaColl #48, HPU #49, UMHB #61, UTT #62, and CTX #101 out of 439 rated teams in D-III.

Our Post-season tourney will come from the top 15% of D-III teams.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on February 10, 2009, 12:16:27 AM
I understand the data just not the poll lol.  How many more in region wins do you think UTD needs to get (at worse) a Pool C bid?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2009, 12:24:02 AM
I think that UTD gets a bid if they make the ASC tourney finals.

Regional Rankings come out on Wednesday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on February 10, 2009, 12:54:50 AM
So they could finish 22 and 2 in region in regular season and lose early in the tourney and not get in? That would be tough.  How many teams from ASC do you see making the tourney? 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2009, 09:28:23 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on February 10, 2009, 12:54:50 AM
So they could finish 22 and 2 in region in regular season and lose early in the tourney and not get in? That would be tough.  How many teams from ASC do you see making the tourney? 
We had three in 2006 when HSU made the Final Four, but I would like to see two.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2009, 09:47:25 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on February 09, 2009, 09:04:35 PM
I see the newest poll makes my point about the ASC conference.  Lose to Miss on the road drop 7.  Beat Miss college go up 3 and get jumped by 2 new teams.  I don't know who does this poll but does the ASC have a rep that votes?  It appears all the voters are located up north!

The ASC has a voter, yes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 11, 2009, 10:47:56 AM
I'm guessing the conference will have at most 2 teams going this year, and they could possibly play each other in the first round.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 11, 2009, 11:00:13 AM
Quote from: SabineBBall on February 09, 2009, 09:04:35 PM
I see the newest poll makes my point about the ASC conference.  Lose to Miss on the road drop 7.  Beat Miss college go up 3 and get jumped by 2 new teams.  I don't know who does this poll but does the ASC have a rep that votes?  It appears all the voters are located up north!

Sabine,
   You have to realize there are eight regions across the country. The south currently has four teams in the poll which is probably about right. There are also only 6-7 conferences with multiple teams in the poll, and the ASC is one of them.  Pat does do a good job with his polls and the voters are very informed, and they are spread out across the country.

I agree with you though and would have UTD and MC a bit higher in the poll, but I can understand why they are not. Neither have been in the Top 25 before, and in UTD's case their program has been pretty bad the last 4-5 years until a decent year last year and a great season this year. They are earning some respect this year, getting UTD's name out there, and could very well be a preseason top 10 team next year with everyone returning.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2009, 02:26:29 PM
Quote2.10.2009 | Women's Basketball
Belton, TX- Jennifer Herman led the Concordia University Texas women's basketball team to a 71-68 victory, over the University of Mary Hardin Baylor on Tuesday night in Belton. The victory improves Concordia to 9-10 overall and 9-8 in the ASC while, Mary Hardin Baylor falls to 10-11 overall and 9-8 in the ASC.--CTX website

That gives CTX the tie-breaker for 4th place.  Congratulations to Coach Cochran!  Your ladies have their destiny in their own hands.

(Errata on the D3Hoops.com web site.  LaCollege women beat CTX women 68-50. )

http://athletics.concordia.edu/schedule.aspx?path=wbball&

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2009, 02:28:27 PM
http://www.d3hoops.com/school/HPU/womens/2009

HPU has a three-game lead over CTX and UMHB.

Look who HPU must play in the last four games.

(CTX and UMHB have finished the regular season versus McM and HSU!)

Isn't this a fun time of the year!!!!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2009, 02:33:30 PM
Regional rankings posted:
http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/02/11/ncaa-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 11, 2009, 04:38:08 PM
Hello Ralph and other oldies..
Its been 3 or 4 yrs since I posted but have had very close eye on whats been going on...almost got stirred up on several occasions to post but calmed myself and did not...o.k Ralph or Pat or whoever wants to answer this question...If the polls are going to have a impact on the NCAA tourny...(and for years we have heard , oh they have been ranked in the regionals and in the top 25...so they deserve........) Then how in blue blazes can Mc Murry not only be ranked in the regionals but ranked ahead of Mississippi College....when McM is not even in the top 25???? (and yes I know McM beat MC..happens all the time, records aren't the same)
Could it be that the powers that be can not stand NOT having a team from the west ranked and this is from past history and not performance?
I have watched this year and I have not known if I should laugh or get mad....how many years have I watched this board and listened to the blowhards from the west ignore the entire other side of the conference...and this year the boards are silent...I just wish Golf Nut was arround to see this.......I am surprised that they have not discontinued this board for lack of use....
Ralph, thanks for staying arround even if you don't have many people to talk to.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on February 11, 2009, 05:03:18 PM
McMurry is ahead of MC for two reasons. They basically have the same in-region record 15-3 to 17-3 and that is what the committee looks at. MCM won head-to-head and MC has a strength of schedule .26 (which is a lot) lower than McMurry.

Over the years I have come to the conclusion that the NCAA is more about strictly numbers than common sense. If not, HSU would have been in the tournaments the last two years and probably not in the tournament in 2006 when they went to the Final Four.

The new way that the NCAA selects teams with opponents winning percentage and opponents opponents winning percentage really restricts teams from the ASC. When you play 21 or 22 of your games against conference teams, both numbers are going to be somewhere around .500 even for the best of teams. That kills us as a league.

Last year a nine-loss team (I think it was Gustavus)  got in the tournament as a pool C and it was all because they had a strong owp and oowp.

Hang on for the ride the next three weeks will be very interesting and probably in a couple of teams cases frustrating, if the past is any indication. However, it is the most exciting time of the year for hoops fans. I think the ASC Tournament could be the best one ever.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 11, 2009, 05:25:07 PM
Millie,
   Glad you posted. You have to remember that the actual regional rankings do not consider the top 25 poll.  The NCAA system takes the regional win/loss record, the OWP and the OOWP and produces a statistical number. Like hsusid said, they usually go strictly by that number in ranking teams regionally and if it's close they will look at other primary criteria like head to head.

   I was a little bit surprised to see McMurry ahead but they do have a slight advantage in OWP and OOWP which offset our two extra regional wins. I wouldn't be surprised that the numbers came out very, very close and the head to head was brought into play since that is the next criteria. Consider this though. McMurry's last four opponents have a combined record of 25-58. Our remaining games have a combined record of 38-45. Hopefully, that helps even out the OWP and removes the head to head from factoring in. I thought the two extra regional wins would be enough, but apparently not.

After seeing the rankings, I think the ASC could very well get three teams into the tourney again if the right three teams win out the regular season. Hopefully, we are one of them.

Primary Criteria
The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA
championships); all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
- Opponents’ Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
- Opponents’ Opponents’ Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).
• See Appendix F for explanation of OWP and OOWP calculations.
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
Note:
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at the time of the
rankings/selection process only.
• Conference postseason contests are included.
• Contests versus provisional and reclassifying members in their third and
fourth years shall count in the primary criteria. Provisional and reclassifying
members shall remain ineligible for rankings and selection.

  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2009, 07:19:25 PM
Millie, we have missed you.

hsusid and Chris are right. McMurry gets its OWP knocked down a bit in the next two weeks.

I have run my numbers on the first Regional Rankings.  There are 18 Pool C teams in that regional rankings (if we consider UT-Dallas the "Pool A" for the ASC.)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 11, 2009, 11:56:48 PM
Hey Millie, having read all the replies to your post and having watched the ASC's tournament bids for several years I figure the only way for MC to be assured a bid is to win the ASC tournament.  Even if they pick 2 or 3 ASC teams they will end up playing each other.  I also don't understand how McM's schedule is so much harder than MC's.  MC played 4 D3 regional opponents while McM only played 2.  There is not much difference in the records of all 6 schools.  I know I will be told it is all about the OWP and OOWP but the Massey Ratings have  MC is 10 places ahead of McM in those statistical rankings.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2009, 12:07:06 PM
Quote from: nash on February 11, 2009, 11:56:48 PM
Hey Millie, having read all the replies to your post and having watched the ASC's tournament bids for several years I figure the only way for MC to be assured a bid is to win the ASC tournament.  Even if they pick 2 or 3 ASC teams they will end up playing each other.  I also don't understand how McM's schedule is so much harder than MC's.  MC played 4 D3 regional opponents while McM only played 2.  There is not much difference in the records of all 6 schools.  I know I will be told it is all about the OWP and OOWP but the Massey Ratings have  MC is 10 places ahead of McM in those statistical rankings.
Nash, good morning.

As Chris stated, McMurry has three more games against teams with low OWP's.  That may be enough to flip the two schools in next week's poll.

If all else is roughly equal, then McMurry has the head-to-head over Miss College.  That may be the difference that the Regional Committee used to rank them in that order.

As for Massey, Miss College is #13 in the "plain" system at .500.  McMurry is .473.  Mississippi College is closer to McMurry at #16 than to #12 Amherst.  However in both systems, McMurry has a higher schedule strength number.

In the MOV, Miss College is #13 at .581; McM #23, and a .482  rating.   Today, Massey MOV calculates that Mississippi College is a 3+ point favorite on a neutral floor.

Had McMurry played at Mississippi College on that road trip, then MC might have won.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2009, 12:48:02 PM
One thing that I do not like about the Women's Regional Rankings is that they only rank 6 teams.

I wish that they would rank (55 full members divided by 6.5 teams per bid = 8.46) 8 teams regionally, and then consider a team regionally ranked "once ranked, always ranked".
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 13, 2009, 09:36:05 AM
Big game last night between HSU and HPU -- it ties them for 2nd place in the west, and puts McM two games ahead of both of them for 1st place and hosting the tournament.  As a McM fan, my first reaction is to gloat, but then I see that HPU won by 17 points -- not exactly a close game.  Can anyone who was there comment on the outcome?  Can McM expect the same treatment from a suddenly resurgent HPU team, or was there some special factor like someone being sick on the HSU squad that explains the outcome?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 13, 2009, 10:08:47 AM
I haven't posted much lately because of a new job I started last July but I've been around and still at the home games.

HPU played really good defense on the perimeter and really slowed down HSU's shooters.  HSU didn't make a 3 in the first half which I'm sure they aren't use to doing.

In the 2nd half HPU pulled away playing great defense and hitting some big shots.

Newcombe had a great game for HSU on both ends of the floor but she was really the only one that was a factor at all.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 13, 2009, 12:03:13 PM
Last night was the best all around team effort I've seen from HPU this season.  If they play that well tomorrow against McM, McM will have their hands full, and then some.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 13, 2009, 04:42:59 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 13, 2009, 10:08:47 AM
Newcombe had a great game for HSU on both ends of the floor but she was really the only one that was a factor at all.

As I remember last year in the tournament in Tyler she had 35 points against HPU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 13, 2009, 07:36:57 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on February 13, 2009, 12:03:13 PM
Last night was the best all around team effort I've seen from HPU this season.  If they play that well tomorrow against McM, McM will have their hands full, and then some.
No doubt about that.  From the description of the game on the HPU website, it sounds like HSU just went cold during the second half (or was completely shut down by the HPU defense).  The LIB have to realize that things they did against SRSU last night are going to be a whole lot harder against the Yellow Jackets.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 13, 2009, 09:52:56 PM
LIB must play good defense tomorrow. HPU is always tough at home, and we must get better at this point of the year. Even though there is a two game lead, we cannot be comfortable in our position.  It helps to be playing well going into the tourney no matter where it is played. The East is coming, we must be ready, but we have to play well at Bwood first. I can't make predictions, but still believing....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2009, 03:54:09 PM
I lost the McMurry Radio signal, so I switched over to Dallas Huston for HPU.

He had a question on the tie-breakers.

Here is the link (http://www.ascsports.org/Sports/ASC/2007/ASCTIEBREAK.asp?tab=asc) for ASC tie-breakers.

McMurry will clinch the outright ASC-West title, and to privilege of hosting the tourney, with wins over TLU and Schreiner next week.



Enjoyed your broadcast, Dallas! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on February 14, 2009, 06:21:16 PM
My first post of the year and have been keeping up with the ASC Conference this year and wow is it solid this year compared to last.  The conference tourney should be a great one with some very good basketball teams battling it out for the championship.  HPU is hitting its stride at the right time after beating McMurry on Saturday it looks like they could be a force to watch out for.  The East teams look good this year with UTD leading the way, but can the pressure of the tournament be to much for these teams to hold off the West Division teams.  The West is so battle tested year end and out it is going to be interesting to see.  I see 5 teams that could compete in any conference anywhere HPU, HSU, McMurry, UTD and Mississippi College.  Good luck to all and may the best team win.  (WAR TO HOWARD PAYNE UNIVERSITY THE DEFENDING NATIONAL CHAMPIONS AND THE ASC) :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2009, 09:29:41 PM
Quote from: golfniz1 on February 14, 2009, 06:21:16 PM
My first post of the year ...
Yeah!  Where have you been?   :D ;)

All of the usual HSU and HPU posters have gone into seclusion (because their team wasn't in first place?)

We haven't had any game reports for you guys or anything!

C'mon!  Start posting!  Don't be fair-weather posters!  We miss you guys!

(The HPU-McM game was as good as we thought.  Hope to see you in the re-match in Abilene.)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 14, 2009, 09:32:59 PM
Not to speak for golfniz but his daughter did graduate last year so i'm sure the following of the team is from a distance now.

As far as my posting I stated that earlier.  I just don't have the time during the days like I use to.


The game today was a very good one.  Although I do have to say that's some of the worst officiating I've seen in college and there have been some bad ones come through the ASC.  Unfortunately they didn't understand that there is a lot of contact in the women's game and the McM/HPU game is always a very physical game.

Hopefully there will be a rematch because it will most likely mean both teams made it to the finals of the conference tourney.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2009, 09:43:24 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 14, 2009, 09:32:59 PM
Not to speak for golfniz but his daughter did graduate last year so i'm sure the following of the team is from a distance now.

Surely he is still getting letters from the HPU Office of Institutional Advancement.  As long as he is on the HPU fundraiser's mailing list, he owes us updates!   :D

As far as my posting I stated that earlier.  I just don't have the time during the days like I use to.

Ah c'mon...how about an occasional game update?
   ;)
...
Looking forward to an outstanding tourney.

HPU has another pair of tough games, with teams that are on the tourney bubble!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2009, 09:46:48 PM
LaCollege women lock up the 4th berth in the tourney.

LaCollege 61, LeTU 47 (http://www.letu.edu/opencms/opencms/_Student-Life/athletics/Women/Basketball/Schedule/)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 14, 2009, 10:01:15 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 14, 2009, 09:32:59 PM
Although I do have to say that's some of the worst officiating I've seen in college and there have been some bad ones come through the ASC.  Unfortunately they didn't understand that there is a lot of contact in the women's game and the McM/HPU game is always a very physical game.
I'll say -- two of our players had ice packs taped to their knees after the game was over.  The officials apparently thought a women's game would be played in polite fashion, like a tea party, so they didn't control it as tightly as they would a men's game.  But these two teams both realize you don't win basketball games the way you conduct a tea party.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The Jinx on February 15, 2009, 01:28:29 AM
I'm glad you folks said something about officiating, there was no method to the madness.  It was like we were there to watch them.  A great and exciting game, nontheless.  Iwas on the edge of my seat the whole time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2009, 01:37:48 AM
Quote from: The Jinx on February 15, 2009, 01:28:29 AM
I'm glad you folks said something about officiating, there was no method to the madness.  It was like we were there to watch them.  A great and exciting game, nontheless.  Iwas on the edge of my seat the whole time.
Isn't ASC women's (and men's) ball fun?  And top quality, too!

The Mausoleum can really get rocking when those Jacket fans get going! ;)

Hopefully, they are coming to Kimbrell in two weeks!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 15, 2009, 09:05:37 AM
Missed my first HPU game in Bwood playing my team in nine years. Hated to, but I've had the crud and would hate to infect all my favorite fans...yeah right. Heard part of it on the radio, sounded like a really good game. Would have loved to have been there. Its hard to go to every game when your "connection" isn't there, but I still follow the teams closely.  Love the girls, love the game. LIB MUST win these next two games, they can't have any let down. TLU has been playing some very close games, they could slip up and beat anyone.  And we never play well at Schriener, we manage to pull wins out, but the first half is generally pretty close.  Work hard ladies, this is when it counts.......
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on February 15, 2009, 06:17:22 PM
Why Ralph did you miss me?  As usual you are up on everything in D3 basketball and wow the ASC is lucky to have you.  Daballa is right I have been keeping up with the ASC at a distance since my daughter graduated last May, but none the less a fan of the toughest conference in D3.
I dont know if LIB was slacking off with the 2 game now 1 game lead, but if they want to be the next hero of the conference they need to get that killer instinct and try to improve every game and whip every one.  Seems to me they are going the opposite direction and not where they need to be at this point and time.  HSU has the talent, but seems like there is something holding them back from being the team whom I predicted to win the conference from the beginning.  Once again just like LIB its that killer instinct to go out and dominate.  HPU is the team to watch at this point they are playing good "D" and scoring enough points to win.  From what the rankings are telling me that UTD is the team to beat, but I dont see it they are playng ok right now, but very beatable and LIB, HSU and HPU are very capable of beating them on any night.  Ralph dont count on the conference tourney being held in Abileen just yet you still have 2 games left and anything can happen that is what is so unique about the ASC Conference anything can happen.  Hey Ralph what did you think about Number 22 for HPUs National Championship team being the title game MVP I was one proud pop.  Keep up your usual good work and go ASC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2009, 06:31:30 PM
Quote from: golfniz1 on February 15, 2009, 06:17:22 PM
Why Ralph did you miss me?  As usual you are up on everything in D3 basketball and wow the ASC is lucky to have you.  Daballa is right I have been keeping up with the ASC at a distance since my daughter graduated last May, but none the less a fan of the toughest conference in D3.
I dont know if LIB was slacking off with the 2 game now 1 game lead, but if they want to be the next hero of the conference they need to get that killer instinct and try to improve every game and whip every one.  Seems to me they are going the opposite direction and not where they need to be at this point and time.  HSU has the talent, but seems like there is something holding them back from being the team whom I predicted to win the conference from the beginning.  Once again just like LIB its that killer instinct to go out and dominate.  HPU is the team to watch at this point they are playing good "D" and scoring enough points to win.  From what the rankings are telling me that UTD is the team to beat, but I don't see it they are playing ok right now, but very beatable and LIB, HSU and HPU are very capable of beating them on any night.  Ralph dont count on the conference tourney being held in Abilene just yet you still have 2 games left and anything can happen that is what is so unique about the ASC Conference anything can happen.  Hey Ralph what did you think about Number 22 for HPUs National Championship team being the title game MVP I was one proud pop.  Keep up your usual good work and go ASC.
Just glad to have you contributing again!   :)

National Championships are fun!

I guess the reason behind the McM performance at CTX is that two of our players had grad school interviews on a Friday and had to drive to Lubbock from Belton and then back to Austin between Thursday night to the game on Saturday.  That is a longer road trip than Brownwood to Clinton!   ;)

No apologies about the ASC.  Coach Prock has done a good job.  The Lady Jacket fans seem to have given him enough slack to build his team after Coach K's departure.  The Lady Jackets have improved tremendously since their trip to Abilene.

This is a tough conference.  I hope that the eventual banner-carrier goes deep!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 15, 2009, 07:03:58 PM
What does LIB actually stand for?  I know McM aren't known as the Indians anymore.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2009, 07:06:33 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on February 15, 2009, 07:03:58 PM
What does LIB actually stand for?  I know McM aren't known as the Indians anymore.
Ladies-In-Basketball   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 15, 2009, 10:41:43 PM
Ralph posted a link to the ASC criteria for tie breaking, but I couldn't make any sense of it.  If McM loses one of the next two games and HPU and HSU do not, the result would be a 3-way tie, with each team having the tie breaker over one of the others (at least in terms of the point spreads between the two games they each played together).  Which one would then host the tournament?

Assuming McM wins those last two games and hosts, I guess it would play LC in the opener -- the team that basically beat us in Abilene except that they missed the two potentially winning free throws to put the game into overtime.  This would be an ironic rematch!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2009, 11:21:10 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 15, 2009, 10:41:43 PM
Ralph posted a link to the ASC criteria for tie breaking, but I couldn't make any sense of it.  If McM loses one of the next two games and HPU and HSU do not, the result would be a 3-way tie, with each team having the tie breaker over one of the others (at least in terms of the point spreads between the two games they each played together).  Which one would then host the tournament?

Assuming McM wins those last two games and hosts, I guess it would play LC in the opener -- the team that basically beat us in Abilene except that they missed the two potentially winning free throws to put the game into overtime.  This would be an ironic rematch!
McMfan, I interpret the tie-breaker this way.

McM loses one of two this week.
HSU and HPU win both.
We have a three-way tie at 16-5.

In a three-way tie, we go down to the 4th place team.

CTX is the fourth place team by virtue of sweeping the series against UMHB.

Against CTX Women,

McM is 1-1.
HSU is 2-0.
HPU is 2-0.

Now that McMurry has been eliminated,

HSU is 2-0 versus CTX.
HPU is 1-1 versus CTX.

HSU clinches the #1 seed.

Corrections appreciated!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on February 16, 2009, 12:16:00 AM
UMHB is in fourth place by a game, but the same thing applies.

If it is a 3-way tie HSU would host, no matter who finishes fourth.

HPU lost to UMHB
McMurry lost to Concordia

HSU is 2-0 against both.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2009, 12:19:31 AM
Quote from: hsusid on February 16, 2009, 12:16:00 AM
UMHB is in fourth place by a game, but the same thing applies.

If it is a 3-way tie HSU would host, no matter who finishes fourth.

HPU lost to UMHB
McMurry lost to Concordia

HSU is 2-0 against both.
http://www.ascsports.org/

Thanks! +1!

D3hoops.com has not corrected the CTX LaCollege score from Jan 10th!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 16, 2009, 09:54:59 AM
Bear in mind that, as a loyal McM fan, I don't expect the LIB to lose one of those last two games, but, as they say, it's not over until it's over.  As I've said before, our big problem is consistency; we can beat anyone in the conference with our A game, but we've also got an F game that cost us against CTX and nearly with LC. We can't afford to let down now!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on February 16, 2009, 02:07:29 PM
Quote from: golfniz1 on February 15, 2009, 06:17:22 PM
Why Ralph did you miss me?  As usual you are up on everything in D3 basketball and wow the ASC is lucky to have you.  Daballa is right I have been keeping up with the ASC at a distance since my daughter graduated last May, but none the less a fan of the toughest conference in D3.
I dont know if LIB was slacking off with the 2 game now 1 game lead, but if they want to be the next hero of the conference they need to get that killer instinct and try to improve every game and whip every one.  Seems to me they are going the opposite direction and not where they need to be at this point and time.  HSU has the talent, but seems like there is something holding them back from being the team whom I predicted to win the conference from the beginning.  Once again just like LIB its that killer instinct to go out and dominate.  HPU is the team to watch at this point they are playing good "D" and scoring enough points to win.  From what the rankings are telling me that UTD is the team to beat, but I dont see it they are playng ok right now, but very beatable and LIB, HSU and HPU are very capable of beating them on any night.  Ralph dont count on the conference tourney being held in Abileen just yet you still have 2 games left and anything can happen that is what is so unique about the ASC Conference anything can happen.  Hey Ralph what did you think about Number 22 for HPUs National Championship team being the title game MVP I was one proud pop.  Keep up your usual good work and go ASC.

As you know when you are ranked every team brings their "A" game.  UTD has had a bullseye on their back for a while now and have weathered the storm quite well with only 1 conference loss.  They have played a lot of close games against the top contenders and won all but one of them.  They definitely know how to finish games so I wouldn't look at rankings to tell you who the favorite is look at results.  The tournament games may all be pull your hair out close games and it will be exciting for sure.  I for one can't wait!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on February 17, 2009, 10:00:44 PM
YOU ARE RIGHT SB THIS IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST CONFERENCE TOURNEYS IN QUITE SOME TIME.  I THINK THE TOP 4 FROM EITHER DIVISION CAN BEAT THE OTHERS ON ANY GIVEN NIGHT.   I'M THINKING SINCE 2005 THAT WAS THE LAST TIME THE EIGHT TEAMS WERE OF THIS QUALITY. WHO ARE YOU PREDICTING TO WIN AND MOVE ON TO CARRY THE HONOR OF ASC?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on February 18, 2009, 10:58:14 PM
I know the ASC is so big they only have the top 4 from each side in the post season tourney but do a lot of these other conferences have everyone in tourney?  I mean a 1st place team in a 8 team league gets to play the 8th place team and then either the 4th or 5th and get into the final.  ASC 1st has to play a 4th then a 2/3 just to get to the finals.  Just wondering since I hear all the talk about teams having to make the finals to get into the tourney?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 19, 2009, 10:23:31 PM
HPU 55 CUA 53 Final.


With under :04 left Sarah Jockers throws a pass the length of the court to Hope Hohertz for a layup and the win at the buzzer.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 19, 2009, 10:35:20 PM
That must have been quite a game!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on February 19, 2009, 11:58:50 PM
That CUA loss coupled with the UMHB 68-54 victory over SRSU clinches the West 4 seed for UMHB.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on February 20, 2009, 12:10:26 AM
UTD lost at ETBU 56-50.  Girls looked so uptight trying to wrap up the East title.  They couldn't hit water if they fell out of the boat.  26% for the game and 3 for 24 from 3's.  If they were going to have a bad shooting night I am glad at least it was now and hopefully they got it out of their system. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The Jinx on February 20, 2009, 01:49:54 AM
I am ready for my first ASC tourney. ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 20, 2009, 09:31:47 AM
IF HPU and HSU tie for second place, who will get the 2nd seed in the tourney? ???

I have a feeling the finals will have 2 teams from the West ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 20, 2009, 09:50:12 AM
The LIB are almost there -- one game to go!  But we've got to beat Schreiner Saturday.  The first place team in the division playing the last place team should be a cake walk, but it isn't over until it's over and nothing loses games like overconfidence (I'm sure Veronica is telling the girls that right now).  If anyone can lose this game, it's us... of the three top teams in the west, McM, HPU, and HSU, McM is the only one which has lost to a team that won't be in the conference tournament (CTX).  And CTX is the only team that Schreiner has beaten.  Our big weakness is our consistency; we've got to remember that when we play the Mountaineers in two days.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 20, 2009, 01:24:31 PM
Ok Ralph I feel called out being one of the old HSU supporters.  This is my first year of no kids in college.  I have been watching but not posting.  It seems like the most balanced ASC I have ever seen.  That is mainly because the east is more of a factor this year.  The big three of the west continue to battle with a small edge to MCM.  HSU has certainly lost most of the swagger it used to have, but as far as I can tell can still beat anyone in the conference on a given night.  Win on Saturday gives them 11 years of at least 20 wins.  Ralph is anyone close to that?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2009, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: calhsu on February 20, 2009, 01:24:31 PM
Ok Ralph I feel called out being one of the old HSU supporters.  This is my first year of no kids in college.  I have been watching but not posting.  It seems like the most balanced ASC I have ever seen.  That is mainly because the east is more of a factor this year.  The big three of the west continue to battle with a small edge to MCM.  HSU has certainly lost most of the swagger it used to have, but as far as I can tell can still beat anyone in the conference on a given night.  Win on Saturday gives them 11 years of at least 20 wins.  Ralph, is anyone close to that?
Good to hear from you, calhsu!  We have missed your insights and good-natured postings!   :)

Cowgirls have had another outstanding year!  As a non-partisan, let me run with that over on one of the "best teams" message boards.

McMurry loses 5 seniors!  These ladies have been the core of the team.  They have plugged holes and filled the roles and been the stars!

I think that HSU, HPU and Concordia-TX and UMHB are the favorites for 2009-10!

+1!  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 22, 2009, 09:51:07 PM
Interesting matchups for this weekend.  The three leading west division teams all play east teams which they earlier beat in conference play.  HSU beat LC by 13, HPU beat MC by 3, but McM beat UTT by only 1.  #1 McM may have more trouble against #4 UTT than either of the other teams!  What do y'all think?  Does UMHB have any chance against UTD?  (Have people lost interest in posting now that the regular season is over?)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The Jinx on February 23, 2009, 12:48:31 AM
Where can I get a visual on the bracket?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2009, 12:50:10 AM
Quote from: The Jinx on February 23, 2009, 12:48:31 AM
Where can I get a visual on the bracket?

http://www.ascsports.org/Pdfs/wbball/2009/2/21/ASC_WBB_09CHAMPIONSHIP_BRACKET.pdf

;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The Jinx on February 23, 2009, 01:22:43 AM
Thanks, RT, easy enough.   ;D  what are your thought on how this tournament will playout? ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2009, 02:11:54 AM
Quote from: The Jinx on February 23, 2009, 01:22:43 AM
Thanks, RT, easy enough.   ;D  what are your thought on how this tournament will playout? ???
Toughest tournament ever.

The West used to romp thru the East.

Since the start of divisional play, the East has never won the Conference.

This year is different.  I think that the East is stronger top to bottom than the West.  I think MissCollege has gotten stronger, but I also think that HPU has gotten stronger.  I am counting on HPU to take out MissCollege.

Is there a home court advantage?

I think that McMurry, HSU and HPU can call this a "home court".


There has been a lot of good basketball played in that "Texas Triangle" in this decade.

In 2000, McMurry beat a #10 Simpson 62-47 and then Hendrix 70-59 only to lose to HSU who had demolished Roanoke 101-76.  HSU 62, McM 60 (http://www.d3hoops.com/danbury/00/round3.htm#hsu)  IMHO, HSU left it all on the court, because they lost to St Thomas the next night.  HSU had played McMurry four times that year and won three.

The next four years, HSU dominated the conference.  They lost to Champion Trinity in Abilene in 2003 in the Sweet 16, 67-61.

By 2004 HSU lost at UW-SP to UWSP in the Elite 8, 72-67.

In 2005 McMurry beat HSU in the tourney semis only to lose to HPU and Coach K in the finals.  HPU lost to Trinity in the first round.

In 2006, McMurry won the ASC tourney and hosted the Texas Sub-bracket.  McM was seeded against HSU, maybe the last at-large (Pool C) team selected, and HSU knocked us off.  HPU had beaten Trinity in the first game, then HSU proceeded to go to the Final Four by beating host Pacific Lutheran in OT, 76-72, and then dominating a Megan Silva-led Randolph Macon team, 72-56.

In 2007, HPU won and McMurry got a Pool C bid.  We were seeded separately from HPU and lost to Puget Sound (UPS) in the Northwest.  UPS beat George Fox and then beat HPU who had destroyed Chapman 76-37 after getting a bye.  HPU was flown to Decorah Iowa for the Sweet 16 because the Brownwood facilities were not up to Sweet 16 status.  That is the situation where Brownwood sprung for new lights, new scoreboard and a new floor in the Coliseum.  They completely took away the ambiance that had made the Brownwood Mausoleum what it was.  :D (The previous floor was an old ABA St Louis Spirits floor that they used when I was in College.)

The upgrades to the Mausoleum made it possible for HPU to host a Sweet 16 in 2008.  McMurry lost four times to HPU, including a second round game after McMurry had beaten Trinity in the first round.  The Elite 8 win over Hope was spectacular!

In this decade, I count McMurry's record to be 3-1 in the NCAA's, outside the conference in three appearances.  I would like to go back.




In the past there may have been only 4-5 contenders.

This year we had 9 solid teams!

Yeah McMurry and UTD and HPU and HSU and aw shucks everyone has a target on their backs!

I still don't know how good the ASC really is.

We have matched very poorly with the Northwest Conference schools, beaten the SCIAC schools, split with the SCAC schools, and otherwise fared nicely versus South Region.

(Only HSU has had luck versus the NWC schools.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 23, 2009, 11:46:52 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2009, 02:11:54 AM
They completely took away the ambiance that had made the Brownwood Mausoleum what it was. 
It's not quite as dark, and the floor isn't quite as rickety, and maybe the restrooms now actually have enough toilet paper to please Fanstand, but for anybody except people from Howard Payne, it will always be the Mausoleum until they tear it down and build a whole new building!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BBenthusiast on February 23, 2009, 12:39:38 PM
You are right mcmfan.  Proud of our facilities, we are!  Proud of the tradition that has been established in that building.  Especially proud that it is the home of the reigning 2008 Women's Division III National Champions!  Tear it down? NEVER!  It will still be standing when the demolition crew arrives at your outdated high school gym to make way for new facilities.   :-*
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2009, 12:45:29 PM
Quote from: BBenthusiast on February 23, 2009, 12:39:38 PM
You are right mcmfan.  Proud of our facilities, we are!  Proud of the tradition that has been established in that building.  Especially proud that it is the home of the reigning 2008 Women's Division III National Champions!  Tear it down? NEVER!  It will still be standing when the demolition crew arrives at your outdated high school gym to make way for new facilities.   :-*
:D

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 23, 2009, 01:58:13 PM
Have they fixed the bleachers yet at "Krumble" Arena? :)

I don't plan on sitting much during the tournament but when I do I would love to sit on a flat board rather than one that's tilted up with splinters and screws coming out.

This weekend should be a lot of fun.  I don't think any of these teams will do any damage this year in the national tournament but the conference tournament will be very exciting. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 23, 2009, 03:09:20 PM
dballa,
   I went to "Hank Kimbel" arena when HPU played earlier this season.  Yes they have new bleachers.  Somebody didn't measure very well though.  Look at the scorer's table and how it's positioned.  It actually extends onto the court, leaving very little of the "out of bounds" border usable.   Our SID has to set up in the bleachers, because they only have the one table.   Hey, at least we don't have to take sand paper with us to get a nice smooth seat.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 23, 2009, 04:00:44 PM
Talking about ETBU and Sul Ross, if i am not mistaken Sul Ross was the only team in the conference (East or West) not to win a single road game this season!

Too bad the tournament is not in ALpine !!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2009, 06:29:29 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 23, 2009, 01:58:13 PM
Have they fixed the bleachers yet at "Krumble" Arena? :)
...
:D :D :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 24, 2009, 10:25:35 AM
Quote from: dballa on February 23, 2009, 01:58:13 PM
Have they fixed the bleachers yet at "Krumble" Arena? :)
We have all new bleachers as of the start of this academic year.  However, I'm sure we could figure out some sort of special arrangement to make sure that your section had the old wood planks with loose nails! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 25, 2009, 09:48:50 AM
Actually, Jacket84, you've got a good point.  the new McM bleachers are nice, and the section behind the McM bench even has little fold-up backrests (people sitting in other areas don't get them).  But because they reach further forward than the old ones, the old walking space between the players' chairs and the bleachers is gone.  Once a game starts, you can't just slip out behind the players to get a drink; you're basically trapped until someone calls a timeout.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2009, 10:35:22 AM
Great article about Grove City College which is has a roster of 7 players.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09053/950854-450.stm

Yes, Thomas More and W&J are blowing them out, but you have to admire the courage.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 25, 2009, 03:21:04 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 25, 2009, 09:48:50 AM
Actually, Jacket84, you've got a good point.  the new McM bleachers are nice, and the section behind the McM bench even has little fold-up backrests (people sitting in other areas don't get them).  But because they reach further forward than the old ones, the old walking space between the players' chairs and the bleachers is gone.  Once a game starts, you can't just slip out behind the players to get a drink; you're basically trapped until someone calls a timeout.
Actually I wait until the most critical part of the game, then I start walking in front of the MCM bench.  I walk really slow with a cane.  I'll stop and ask each coach and player if they would like some popcorn.  You know, they're not very appreciative. ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2009, 09:26:24 PM
The regional rankings are out for the last public time.

We will probably have two very good teams that might qualify for bids, and we might have a division that is shut out of bids for the playoffs, just barely.

We have CTX announcing adding track and field and ETBU adding tennis (both mens' and women's I assume).

Let's look at an option to increase the number of AQ's that we get.

To be a conference to earn the AQ, you must have seven full members (or at least 4 core members and three affiliates.) 




The ASC-West could split off the ASC (go into Pool B for two years) and then 2 years later have these AQ sports.

VB
Football (accepting ETBU, LaColl and MissColl as affiliates)
M/W Soccer
M/W Basketball
M/W Tennis
Baseball
Softball
M/W Golf (accepting the ASC-East teams in both sports as affiliates; currently LeTU, MC, UTD and UTT for the men; LeTU UTT and UTD for the women.)

The ASC-West would have the required four schools to sponsor a conference championship in M/W T&F (CTX, HSU, McM, SRSU and TLU-women).  UT-Tyler and MissColl could affiliate for both genders.

The ASC-West also has 4 schools sponsoring  Men's XC (CTX, McM, SRSU and Schreiner) and 5 in women's Cross Country (CTX, HSU, McM, Schreiner and SRSU).   The West schools could affiliate for a combined championship with the East if they wished under an affiliation agreement.




Where does that leave the ASC-East.  I understand that a conference needs to sponsor five men's and five women's sports.

The East has the full 7 schools to earn the AQ for these sports.

M/W Soccer
M/W Basketball
M/W Tennis (now that ETBU has added both M/W tennis)
Baseball
Softball.

The ASC-East has these core members in Cross Country to sponsor the sports.

MXC -- (5) ETBU, MissColl , UOz, UTD, UTT
WXC -- (6) ETBU, LaColl, MissColl, UOz, UTD, UTT.

The West schools could affiliate with the East "conference" for the championship.

What is left that we haven't covered?  LaColl and UOz need to add volleyball for the ASC-East to have the AQ.

The result--

We gain AQ bids in Volleyball, M/W Soccer, M/W Basketball, M/W Tennis, Softball and Baseball!


You win the East.  Your first playoff game may be the West, but it is in the NCAA's and not the ASC tourney finals.

That is 9 more bids to the NCAA's after the two provisional years needed by the new conference.  Long-term crossover contracts between the two conferences could be signed to assure games.  Our complaints about weak schools on the schedules would be mitigated by the fact that we had doubled our bids in this part of the country.


The weakness in this strategy is this.

Texas Wesleyan spent an exploratory year moving up from D-II about 2001.  TWU moved right on thru to the NAIA and Red River AC.

UDallas, a charter member left the ASC in 2001.

Another Charter member, Austin College left us in 2006.

Those schools are "east".

This strategy has been on the books for nearly a decade.  It has suffered three setbacks.  It makes sense.  Nevertheless, a team leaving the conference and dropping below the threshold of 7 teams and this strategy backfires.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 26, 2009, 10:05:54 PM
I have a meeting in Dallas tomorrow and Saturday, and will miss my first tournament in 9 years.  Dang it. But I hope to be back in time on Sunday and hope to see my LIB in the championship game, with I don't care who. So don't worry about me and the TP. I will try to catch as many games on the web as I can, but it's killing me not to be able to be there and watch all the great basketball that is going to be played.  I believe my team will win, and I want them to, but I think this will be some of the toughest and greatest games to be played in a conference tourney in quite some time.  Only the strong will survive, and hopefully will be able to move on and show what the ASC is made of.  If we don't beat each other up too bad. Good Luck LIB, see you on the radio!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on February 27, 2009, 10:52:37 AM
Good luck to all the teams today.  Son has a high school playoff game tonight but we will be there starting tomorrow.  Go get them UTD!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 27, 2009, 04:25:15 PM
So much for the East being stronger than the West this year.  It may turn out to be weaker; with #1 seed UTD losing to UMHB, this could easily end up being an all-West tournament by the end of the day.  In the past, at least one East team was left standing after the first day.  The winner: HSU, which easily took out LC and tomorrow plays a team which they beat twice in regular season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2009, 08:22:18 PM
HPU 63 Miss Coll 62.  That is 3 teams from the West in the semis.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 27, 2009, 08:59:09 PM
Can UTT save the day for the east?

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2009, 10:53:13 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on February 27, 2009, 08:59:09 PM
Can UTT save the day for the east?

Since the expansion of the format to 8-teams in 2006, the only wins by the East are ETBU's win over HSU (83-80) in 2006 and ETBU's win over UMHB 71-61.

That is 14-2 16-2* for the West.

http://www.ascsports.org/Pdfs/wbball/2009/2/26/ASCWBBTOURNEYRECORDS09.pdf

*ETBU was beaten by the West in the second round.


Let's add Austin College's win over CTX  in 2005.  AC loses to HPU in the Semis.  That makes the West 20-3 versus the East in the last 5 years.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 27, 2009, 11:09:52 PM
Ralph....
were you at the game?  I would like to know about the end of the game...the foul that WAS called by the head official on HPUs girl on our point guard...on the final shot...the ref called it and the did not go to the monitor to look at the replay...what is the t.v. monitor for?????????????? they sure used it on our girl as to weather her shot was in front of the 3 point line or behind the line in the beginning of the 2nd half....
I was not at the game, but watched the live feed and have talked to friends that were at the game....
If you get beat...you get beat...but you hate for it to be taken out of the hands of the kids........
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 27, 2009, 11:41:52 PM
Somebody said after the game that the monitor frame rate was too slow to show whether the foul happened within 3/10 of a second or not.  But it seems to me on an issue that controversial, the refs should have looked just for appearance sake, if nothing else.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2009, 11:45:03 PM
Quote from: millie on February 27, 2009, 11:09:52 PM
Ralph....
were you at the game?  I would like to know about the end of the game...the foul that WAS called by the head official on HPUs girl on our point guard...on the final shot...the ref called it and the did not go to the monitor to look at the replay...what is the t.v. monitor for?????????????? they sure used it on our girl as to weather her shot was in front of the 3 point line or behind the line in the beginning of the 2nd half....
I was not at the game, but watched the live feed and have talked to friends that were at the game....
If you get beat...you get beat...but you hate for it to be taken out of the hands of the kids........
I was not at the game.

As for where a foot is placed on a monitor, that is simple if the resolution is good.

As for the refresh rate on the video stream, I m not sure about that.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2009, 11:55:51 PM
The ASC-West is just brutal.  We have at least 5 teams that can beat you, and the travel to the other three causes a team to focus more carefully.

Those games among CTX, HPU, HSU McM and UMHB are wars!

Tomorrow's should be just as good.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on February 28, 2009, 12:00:39 AM
TIME HAD EXPIRED BEFORE THE FOUL SO AFTER CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE REFS THERE IN FACT WAS NOT A FOUL.  BLAME CANNOT BE PUT ON THE REFS FOR THIS MISS. COLLEGE HAD THEIR CHANCE TO WIN THE GAME, BUT COULD NOT CONVERT A VERY IMPORTANT FREE THROW AT THE END OF THE GAME.  IN AN EARLIER POST I STATED THAT THE WEST WAS VERY BATTLE TESTED AND ONCE AGAIN PROVED TO BE THE STRONGER DIVISION IN THE CONFERENCE GOING 4-0.  THE SEMI FINALS SHOULD BE VERY GOOD GAMES AND THE HOUSE SHOULD BE ROCKING FOR BOTH GAMES.  GOOD LUCK TO ALL 4 TEAMS AND GO HPU
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on February 28, 2009, 12:14:09 AM
Ralph what do you think about HPU, HSU, or McMurry getting a bid for the tournament should one or the other not win the conference tourney.  All 3 have impressive wins against top 25 teams and play in a very good conference?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2009, 01:01:07 AM
Quote from: golfniz1 on February 28, 2009, 12:14:09 AM
Ralph what do you think about HPU, HSU, or McMurry getting a bid for the tournament should one or the other not win the conference tourney.  All 3 have impressive wins against top 25 teams and play in a very good conference?
I think that the two finalists will get bids (a Pool A and a Pool C).  As for the semi-finalists, I am not sure.

UTD and MissColl were regionally ranked, but the tourney has shown the perennial strength that is the West.  HPU is defending champion.  HSU went to the Final Four in 2006 as a Pool C. McMurry has three straight NCAA bids.  None of those are crtieria, but the existing criteria suggested that MissCollege and UTD would advance on a neutral floor.

I have this question for the HPU and HSU fans.

Was/Is Kimbrell Arena a "neutral" floor when you aren't playing McMurry, but are playing the East?  How many times have your players played a pressure game at Kimbrell?  You get good fan-turnout.  That almost seems to be "friendly environs".
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 28, 2009, 02:00:10 AM
It's still too early to tell who would be the ASC pool C teams, and it greatly depends on who wins the ASC Tourney. It will be hard to separate the ASC teams, but here are what the numbers look like tonight using the D3hoops numbers.

Let's say McMurry beats HPU, HSU beats UMHB, and McMurry wins the tourney. McMurry (21-4) - receives the AQ.

MS College (21-4)
UTD (21-4)
HPU (20-6)
HSU (19-6)

I think if the regional record, OWP and OOWP are the main criteria, which has been insinuated, then UTD and MS College will get in. UTD and MC will have two fewer losses and the OWP's should all be very close.

However, HPU would probably have the best OWP, but it has to be enough to overcome two extra losses. HSU had the lowest OWP entering the tourney, but playing three games will help, but it still has to be good enough to overcome two extra losses.

HPU beat MC twice, MC beat HSU, MC split with UTD, UTD beat both HPU and HSU and split with MC. 

Right now, it's too close to call. If HSU or HPU wins the tourney, then the numbers will obviously be changed a good. I don't think it would hurt having a coach or a friend on the committee either because it could be that close.  Could the ASC get three pool C bids if the numbers are good enough compared to the rest of the country?

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 28, 2009, 07:54:57 AM
First off GOLDNIZ1...DO NOT YELL AT ME!  I ask Ralph a question about the end of the game..no where on my post was your name mentioned! Were you on the floor or did you see the monitor and what makes you so smart the you know the exact time that the buzzer went off? It is my understanding from fans that saw and were at the game that at the end that the ref turned to the HPU  coach and ask "why did she do that, it was so stupid?" I was not putting blame, it just needed to be looked at at the end of the game...no I blame no one but ourselves..if MC had taken care of business we would not be having this conversation...Just like if the west would have taken care of their business in the regular season..this would be a moot conversation...stronger division..that i don't know...battle tested...for sure...you can not teach or coach tourney experience...and remember HPU was last years N.champions

GO UMHB
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 28, 2009, 11:13:26 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2009, 01:01:07 AM
I have this question for the HPU and HSU fans.
Was/Is Kimbrell Arena a "neutral" floor when you aren't playing McMurry, but are playing the East?  How many times have your players played a pressure game at Kimbrell?  You get good fan-turnout.  That almost seems to be "friendly environs".
I'm not a HPU or HSU fan, obviously, but I think I can contribute to your question, since I was helping out all day yesterday at the tournament.  I would definitely NOT call it neutral, for there were way more HPU and HSU fans at the two respective games.  You could tell the difference from the volume of crowd noise if you were in the corridor doing security.   It was obvious to me without even being in the court area when one of the two Abilene teams got a basket.  And because of the numbers of HPU and HSU fans that can come from such a short distance, I wouldn't say that McM has that much of a "home" advantage when playing either of those teams (nor does HSU playing us at HSU, for the same reason).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2009, 11:54:55 AM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on February 28, 2009, 02:00:10 AM
It's still too early to tell who would be the ASC pool C teams, and it greatly depends on who wins the ASC Tourney. It will be hard to separate the ASC teams, but here are what the numbers look like tonight using the D3hoops numbers.

Let's say McMurry beats HPU, HSU beats UMHB, and McMurry wins the tourney. McMurry (21-4) - receives the AQ.

MS College (21-4)
UTD (21-4)
HPU (20-6)
HSU (19-6)

I think if the regional record, OWP and OOWP are the main criteria, which has been insinuated, then UTD and MS College will get in. UTD and MC will have two fewer losses and the OWP's should all be very close.

However, HPU would probably have the best OWP, but it has to be enough to overcome two extra losses. HSU had the lowest OWP entering the tourney, but playing three games will help, but it still has to be good enough to overcome two extra losses.

HPU beat MC twice, MC beat HSU, MC split with UTD, UTD beat both HPU and HSU and split with MC. 

Right now, it's too close to call. If HSU or HPU wins the tourney, then the numbers will obviously be changed a good. I don't think it would hurt having a coach or a friend on the committee either because it could be that close.  Could the ASC get three pool C bids if the numbers are good enough compared to the rest of the country?

I hope that the committee is reviewing the fact that HPU, McM and HSU have more losses because we played double-round robin.

If we have a five-team league, and we use your scenario, then we have these records. (Tourney games are in italics)

McM 5-3  Wins:  MC, HPU, HSU, HPU, HSU
               Losses: UTD, HSU, HPU

UTD 4-1  Wins:  McM, HSU, HPU, MC
              Losses: MC (and UMHB in the tourney)

HPU 4-4  Wins: MC, McM, HSU, MC
             Losses: UTD, McM HSU, McM

MC  2-4  Wins: HSU, UTD
             Losses: McM, HPU, UTD, HPU

HSU 2-6 Wins: McM, HPU  (Tourney wins would be LaCollege and UMHB)
            Losses: MC, McM, UTT, UTD, HPU, McM

I think that UTD is still in fair shape for a Pool C bid.  Head-to-head and common in-region opponents are criteria.  Depending on the way that the committee wants to pull these apart, this should be interesting.

Thanks, Chris.  :)

(HSU fans must love their chances, especially if they can rest their starters some today!)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 28, 2009, 12:12:00 PM
Ralph,
  I hope the committee uses the same criteria that they would in any situation. Just based off hearing the interview from last year's national chair for the men, the first two things they will look at are the regional records and the schedule strength. If teams stick out from those criteria they will be chosen first, if the numbers are close then they will move to other criteria. I know they are all listed as primary criteria, but interviews have suggested regional record and schedule strength are considered first.

I do think the head to head numbers could be looked at, but I would also hope they consider the home and away aspect of that. It was unfortunate for us that the year we have our best team is the same year we play the traditional power ASC teams on the road.

But like I said, I think if regional record and strength of schedule separates teams, then that will be the stopping point. If it does not, then other criteria will be brought into play.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2009, 01:23:31 PM
Thanks, Chris.

You keep helping make the case for splitting the conference in half.   :)

In the ASC-East Conference, #1 UTD beats #4 UTT.  #2 Miss College beats #3 LaColl. in Dallas.  The #3 and #4 South Region ranked teams get one more in-region win and the face off for the Pool A bid.

If Oglethorpe and Greensboro "hold serve" and win their Pool A bids, and either Roanoke or Randy Mac win the ODAC Pool A, then the ASC-East Conference loser is the first Pool C considered from the South and the West is no where near the equation.

As it is now, the ASC question is wide open!   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 28, 2009, 02:15:51 PM
Some more thoughts on yesterday's MS-HPU game.  Checking the TV monitor shouldn't have been necessary in any case.  It should have been clear whether the final foul that was disallowed was within the game or not, for as long as the closing buzzer hadn't sounded, the referee would have known that the ball was still in play.  He obviously wouldn't have called the foul after hearing the buzzer.  But I don't remember hearing the buzzer, nor did another person who was at the game that I talked to.  Did the buzzer not go off?  Does anyone remember hearing it?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 28, 2009, 02:46:39 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 28, 2009, 11:13:26 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2009, 01:01:07 AM
I have this question for the HPU and HSU fans.
Was/Is Kimbrell Arena a "neutral" floor when you aren't playing McMurry, but are playing the East?  How many times have your players played a pressure game at Kimbrell?  You get good fan-turnout.  That almost seems to be "friendly environs".
I'm not a HPU or HSU fan, obviously, but I think I can contribute to your question, since I was helping out all day yesterday at the tournament.  I would definitely NOT call it neutral, for there were way more HPU and HSU fans at the two respective games.  You could tell the difference from the volume of crowd noise if you were in the corridor doing security.   It was obvious to me without even being in the court area when one of the two Abilene teams got a basket.  And because of the numbers of HPU and HSU fans that can come from such a short distance, I wouldn't say that McM has that much of a "home" advantage when playing either of those teams (nor does HSU playing us at HSU, for the same reason).

I went to the women's tournament in Tyler last year and the West had more teams than any East teams.  It doesn't matter where you play the West fans will show up and support their teams.  On the East side on the road they usually only have family support and a few students.  At home they have a lot more fans but still doesn't compare to the support the West gets.  All of that comes with success and consistency.  People love to see good basketball.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on February 28, 2009, 03:52:33 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on February 28, 2009, 12:12:00 PM
I do think the head to head numbers could be looked at, but I would also hope they consider the home and away aspect of that. It was unfortunate for us that the year we have our best team is the same year we play the traditional power ASC teams on the road.


You can even take it a step further for UTD.  They were undefeated at home this year and if it had been the East's turn to host the tourney it makes it a whole different tourney IMO. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 28, 2009, 04:59:41 PM
I can solve a lot of the problems..lets just let MC go D2...the the Texas teams will not have to travel (1 time  per year) and MC will not have to cross the great state of Louisiana how ever many times they have to go to Texas in a year.

O.K. before you junp out there and say we can't compete..I would beg to differ with you...the girls are bigger and tougher in D2..MC would have athletic schlorships (which it doesnot have now... this would allow the $18,000/year school to get the bigger girls), would be closer (most games in the Gulf South West are played in AR....even if they were in the East they would play in AL, GA and the panhandle of Fl...which are all closer than the West side of the ASC). So while we are petitioning to split the ASC lets see if we can convience the powers that be at MC to go D2

McMfan, you are right and I don't think the ref would have called the foul if he had heard the buzzer...especially the head ref to be overturned by the other ref from across the floor
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on February 28, 2009, 05:18:37 PM
Millie I was not yelling at you I just typed in caps by accident sorry.  As far as the west being the stronger division look at the numbers 4-0 that speaks for itself and Chris HPU is 21-5 this year and should go ahead of Miss. College they beat them twice this year if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2009, 06:05:28 PM
McM 29 HPU 22 at the half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 28, 2009, 07:18:37 PM
Chris,
You need to redo your calculations for post-season play now that the finalists in the West are HPU and HSU.  I'd say the winner gets the automatic bid, and the other the C, assuming the ASC gets a C bid.  The only time the committee is given a post-season bid to any team that got knocked out early was when HSU got it three years ago, and that was probably because they could set up a West Texas sectional and save money on travel expenses.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 28, 2009, 07:41:40 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 28, 2009, 07:18:37 PM
Chris,
You need to redo your calculations for post-season play now that the finalists in the West are HPU and HSU.  I'd say the winner gets the automatic bid, and the other the C, assuming the ASC gets a C bid.  The only time the committee is given a post-season bid to any team that got knocked out early was when HSU got it three years ago, and that was probably because they could set up a West Texas sectional and save money on travel expenses.

I'll try and come up with some numbers later including today's ASC games. I do think HSU was the only first round loser to get a pool C, but that is also largely due to few teams having strong enough regular season criteria. Losses or wins in the ASC tournament don't carry more weight than the regular season games. But the more you play the better, because you are usually playing teams with good records that improve your strength of schedule numbers.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on February 28, 2009, 09:48:18 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 28, 2009, 07:18:37 PM
I'd say the winner gets the automatic bid, and the other the C, assuming the ASC gets a C bid. 

So you expect a team with 6 in region losses to make the tourney over 4 loss teams ranked in regional standings?  HSU lost to both MC and UTD at home.  HPU beat MC at home and lost to UTD on the road and split with UMHB who beat UTD.  I can see a some what of a case for HPU but I don't think HSU has a chance as a "C".  I also don't think in previous years any team for the East has had resumes comparable to MC and UTD.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 28, 2009, 10:08:02 PM
SabineBBall,
Don't forget that HSU is our rep on the committee, and that trumps everything.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2009, 10:16:40 PM
Quote from: nash on February 28, 2009, 10:08:02 PM
SabineBBall,
Don't forget that HSU is our rep on the committee, and that trumps everything.
Actually the custom is for representatives that are involved to recuse themselves.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 28, 2009, 10:30:36 PM
Quote from: golfniz1 on February 28, 2009, 08:10:33 PM
I hear the HPU/ McMurry game was a good one according to my wife who attended the game.  I do understand that Coach Prock made a bone headed comment to one of the Mac coaches, not good form Coach.  You won the game the comment was not necessary that is not what HPU Womans Basketball is all about. Coach K and his previous teams played with class win or loose and played every minute on the floor as hard as they could go that is what Lady Jacket BBall is all about, not what you did.  I as an HPU fan apologize to all the LIB fans and coaching staff for such comments.  The final should be a great game good luck to HSU and go Lady Jackets!

What was it that Prock said?   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 28, 2009, 10:40:15 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on February 28, 2009, 09:48:18 PM
So you expect a team with 6 in region losses to make the tourney over 4 loss teams ranked in regional standings?
If the NCAA can save a few bucks in travel money, yes, like I just said...  :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2009, 10:49:49 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2009, 11:54:55 AM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on February 28, 2009, 02:00:10 AM
It's still too early to tell who would be the ASC pool C teams, and it greatly depends on who wins the ASC Tourney. It will be hard to separate the ASC teams, but here are what the numbers look like tonight using the D3hoops numbers.

Let's say McMurry beats HPU, HSU beats UMHB, and McMurry wins the tourney. McMurry (21-4) - receives the AQ.

MS College (21-4)
UTD (21-4)
HPU (20-6)
HSU (19-6)

I think if the regional record, OWP and OOWP are the main criteria, which has been insinuated, then UTD and MS College will get in. UTD and MC will have two fewer losses and the OWP's should all be very close.

However, HPU would probably have the best OWP, but it has to be enough to overcome two extra losses. HSU had the lowest OWP entering the tourney, but playing three games will help, but it still has to be good enough to overcome two extra losses.

HPU beat MC twice, MC beat HSU, MC split with UTD, UTD beat both HPU and HSU and split with MC. 

Right now, it's too close to call. If HSU or HPU wins the tourney, then the numbers will obviously be changed a good. I don't think it would hurt having a coach or a friend on the committee either because it could be that close.  Could the ASC get three pool C bids if the numbers are good enough compared to the rest of the country?

I hope that the committee is reviewing the fact that HPU, McM and HSU have more losses because we played double-round robin.

If we have a five-team league, and we use your scenario, then we have these records. (Tourney games are in italics)

McM 3-4  Wins:  MC, HPU, HSU,
               Losses: UTD, HSU, HPU, HPU

UTD 4-1  Wins:  McM, HSU, HPU, MC
              Losses: MC (and UMHB in the tourney)

HPU 5-3  Wins: MC, McM, HSU, MC, McM  One game to go.
             Losses: UTD, McM HSU,

MC  2-4  Wins: HSU, UTD
             Losses: McM, HPU, UTD, HPU

HSU 2-5 Wins: McM, HPU  (Tourney wins would be LaCollege and UMHB)
            Losses: MC, McM, UTT, UTD, HPU,   One game to go.

I think that UTD is still in fair shape for a Pool C bid.  Head-to-head and common in-region opponents are criteria.  Depending on the way that the committee wants to pull these apart, this should be interesting.

HSU needs to win the tourney to get a bid.

UTD is up on HPU by head-to-head.  (I don't know how the committee treats UTD.)

HPU needs to win to get a bid.  I think that they are on the deep bubble if they lose.

I know that Chris supposedly has the numbers, but Miss College does not fare well if HPU wins.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on February 28, 2009, 11:22:59 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 28, 2009, 10:40:15 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on February 28, 2009, 09:48:18 PM
So you expect a team with 6 in region losses to make the tourney over 4 loss teams ranked in regional standings?
If the NCAA can save a few bucks in travel money, yes, like I just said...  :-\

If travel money determines who gets into the tourney the NCAA D3 has a lot deeper problems than I thought. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on February 28, 2009, 11:25:47 PM
Quote from: nash on February 28, 2009, 10:08:02 PM
SabineBBall,
Don't forget that HSU is our rep on the committee, and that trumps everything.

Seems you are insinuating the process is crooked?  I hope you were joking lol
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 28, 2009, 11:42:48 PM
Quote from: golfniz1 on February 28, 2009, 08:10:33 PM
I hear the HPU/ McMurry game was a good one according to my wife who attended the game.  I do understand that Coach Prock made a bone headed comment to one of the Mac coaches, not good form Coach.  You won the game the comment was not necessary that is not what HPU Womans Basketball is all about. Coach K and his previous teams played with class win or loose and played every minute on the floor as hard as they could go that is what Lady Jacket BBall is all about, not what you did.  I as an HPU fan apologize to all the LIB fans and coaching staff for such comments.  The final should be a great game good luck to HSU and go Lady Jackets!

I don't know if Coach Prock needs to apologize.  What he said didn't warrant McMurry's assistant to go off the wall.  Coach Prock is a class guy and runs his program just as classy as Coach K did.  He preaches sportsmanship as much as he preaches good defense.  I've known him and his family for a long time and he does not do anything in any way to demean or degrade anybody.

After a game like that between McMurry and HPU emotions always run high.  Players, coaches and fans need to keep their cool and move on.  Coach Snow is a great coach and one that preaches class to her team as well.  What happened after the game isn't indicative of what kind of program she runs either.

I wish I could be there Sunday to cheer on the Lady Jackets, unfortunately I'll be in the metroplex.

Go Lady Jackets, take care of business one more time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 01, 2009, 12:15:42 AM
Daballa I can assure you that Coach K would not have said nothing, a hand shake was all that was in order after a hard fought game like this one not a remark that would sure create tensions as it did.  Sorry can't share your views on this one.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 01, 2009, 12:16:14 AM
Quote from: dballa on February 28, 2009, 11:42:48 PM
I don't know if Coach Prock needs to apologize.  What he said didn't warrant McMurry's assistant to go off the wall.
It's hard to take a position on this without knowing what it was that Coach Prock said.  Does anybody have a specific quotation beyond "hearing something from a reliable source"?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 01, 2009, 12:23:46 AM
This is far from scientific, but here are some numbers I put together based on numbers through the weekend. This is based on the D3hoops regional records and I assumed everyone's opponents had played a total of about 500 games entering the tourney, it makes the math easier and looking up every opponents regional record would take a week. I just added the tournament records. But like I said, this is just something to give an idea of how things are shaking out.

Mississippi College 21-4, .518 OWP
UTD 21-4, .504 OWP
McMurry 19-5, .507 OWP
Howard Payne 21-5 (one game left) .531 OWP
Hardin-Simmons 19-5 (one game left) .515 OWP
Randolph-Macon 20-5, .548 OWP
Roanoke 21-4, .492 OWP
Trinity 18-5, .503 OWP

Those are the top pool C candidates from the south. For MC, they need Oglethorpe to beat Trinity, Randolph-Macon to beat Bridgewater, and for HPU to beat HSU tomorrow. I just don't think Hardin-Simmons or Trinity can get Pool C's if those numbers are even close to right.

So lets say HPU, RMC and Oglethorpe win tomorrow. This is how the rankings could settle out just based on regional winning percentage and OWP. The OOWP should not factor much for ASC schools because they are all about .500.

South Region
1. Oglethorpe 20-3   AQ
2. Greensboro 23-1    Pool C
3. Randolph-Macon 20-5 AQ
4. Howard Payne 22-5  AQ
5. Mississippi College 21-4 Pool C
6. Texas-Dallas 21-4   Pool C
7. McMurry 19-5 Pool C
8. Hardin-Simmons 19-6   Pool C
9. Roanoke 21-4  Pool C
10. Trinity  18-6  Pool C

I think McMurry will end up behind MC and UTD because of the worse regional ranking, and the same or worse OWP. HSU could be in the same boat, two extra regional losses without a better OWP. Other criteria will not move them up if regional record and schedule strength separates them. If it shakes out like that, I wouldn't be completely shocked seeing three Pool C's from the ASC if upsets are few and far between around the country.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The Jinx on March 01, 2009, 01:08:09 AM
Anyone that saw a previous post of mine, that was dleted, I apologize for my fat fingers.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2009, 01:10:39 AM
I said over on the South Region rankings board.

I don' think that you can make a statistically significant distinction between Miss College at .518 and UTD at .504.  That is only 2.7% better on less than 25 games.


There is a big discussion of OWP on the Men's Pool B board where they are discussing Maryville 14-6 OWP .489 and Chapman 15-3 and OWP .361 (as of 2/25).  That is a difference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 01, 2009, 08:07:40 AM
Quote from: golfniz1 on March 01, 2009, 12:15:42 AM
a hand shake was all that was in order after a hard fought game like this one


That's what sparked the whole thing coming from a McMurry player that refused to shake hands with Coach Prock and other players.

Time to move on though.  I Know the team has moved on and is ready to play today. 

golfniz1,  I saw your daughter at the game last night, she seems to be doing really well. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 01, 2009, 09:24:18 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 01, 2009, 12:16:14 AM
Quote from: dballa on February 28, 2009, 11:42:48 PM
I don't know if Coach Prock needs to apologize.  What he said didn't warrant McMurry's assistant to go off the wall.
It's hard to take a position on this without knowing what it was that Coach Prock said.  Does anybody have a specific quotation beyond "hearing something from a reliable source"?
I agree, does anyone know exactly what happened?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 01, 2009, 05:05:03 PM
 ;D   HPU wins again in a thrilling overtime game congrats to the navy and gold
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 01, 2009, 06:22:56 PM
I don't follow the numbers that Chris and Ralph have presented for post-season C bids, but from a fan viewpoint the obvious criterion is who wins what in the tournament.  Three years ago, when McM won the conference, I thought it was unjustified to give HSU a post-season bid since they got knocked out in the first round.  I thought if anyone got in, it should have been UMHB who got to the final game.  This time around, HSU got to the final game and played it into overtime.  As a fan who doesn't understand OWPs and OOWPs or whatever they are, I think it would be equally unjustified this year to pick MC or UTD over HSU, assuming the ASC gets a C bid at all.  Normal fans who aren't math majors look at the teams that are left standing at the end, not a lot of fancy numbers.  I know the selection committee doesn't do that, but sometimes the most obvious course of action is also the best, at least if you want to keep your credibility with your normal non-mathematical fans.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2009, 06:31:45 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 01, 2009, 06:22:56 PM
I don't follow the numbers that Chris and Ralph have presented for post-season C bids, but from a fan viewpoint the obvious criterion is who wins what in the tournament.  Three years ago, when McM won the conference, I thought it was unjustified to give HSU a post-season bid since they got knocked out in the first round.  I thought if anyone got in, it should have been UMHB who got to the final game.  This time around, HSU got to the final game and played it into overtime.  As a fan who doesn't understand OWPs and OOWPs or whatever they are, I think it would be equally unjustified this year to pick MC or UTD over HSU, assuming the ASC gets a C bid at all.  Normal fans who aren't math majors look at the teams that are left standing at the end, not a lot of fancy numbers.  I know the selection committee doesn't do that, but sometimes the most obvious course of action is also the best, at least if you want to keep your credibility with your normal non-mathematical fans.
mcmfan,

Thanks for the recitation of the history of the ASC playoffs.   ;)   :D   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on March 01, 2009, 06:47:27 PM
McMfan...I too do not understand all of the numbers OOWP and OWP's...I know that they are stats and that is a course that I would rather forget in my college days...I agree that a good dose of common sense can go a long way in this world...even as a MC fan who wants a bid in the worse sort of way I could agree with you IF there had not been so much discussion and number manipulation and justifications when the first regional rankings came out....to say I was over whelmed by the OOWP' is an understatement but we listen but I took my lecture knowing full well that I still didn't understand...until McMurry was not in the regionals any more and then the justificactions all seemed to change and we are now pushing to get HSU and HP in the regionals (yes I know they were in the finals..) Now it seems that the OOWP and OWP's don't mean anything.

This is just a question...not an accusal...is this board used as a petition (in a roundabout way) to politic to get certain teams in....meaning we can't call the committee but do they read these boards to see what the public thinks....just wondering
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ex-jacket on March 01, 2009, 06:50:18 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on February 28, 2009, 03:52:33 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on February 28, 2009, 12:12:00 PM
I do think the head to head numbers could be looked at, but I would also hope they consider the home and away aspect of that. It was unfortunate for us that the year we have our best team is the same year we play the traditional power ASC teams on the road.


You can even take it a step further for UTD.  They were undefeated at home this year and if it had been the East's turn to host the tourney it makes it a whole different tourney IMO. 
Until the conference changes the way the tournaments are played you have to alternate years!!!!!  In order to win in the National Tournament you have to be able to win on the road!!!!UTD may have not been beaten at home, but during tourney time, it's a whole new ball game and winning on the road is the name of the game.  So no more excuses!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 01, 2009, 06:54:52 PM
  You have to win on the road this time of year.  HPU has won 3 conference championships in a row now, and 2 of the 3 were on the road (Tyler & Abilene).

This was a great tourney.  There were several teams, with a break here and there, that could have won the tourney.  Great balance, but the West is still the best.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on March 01, 2009, 07:36:19 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 01, 2009, 06:54:52 PM
  You have to win on the road this time of year.  HPU has won 3 conference championships in a row now, and 2 of the 3 were on the road (Tyler & Abilene).

This was a great tourney.  There were several teams, with a break here and there, that could have won the tourney.  Great balance, but the West is still the best.

But you got to play Hope on your home floor last year in the 2nd round.  That was a great advantage.  If you had had to play at Hope instead????  Please at least admit that was a big advantage.  UTD is a young team and just learning to win especially on the road.  UTD has won one game EVER on McMurry floor. Not making excuses for any loss just explaining the road differences.   HPU may get the chance to prove they can win on UTD's home floor from the projections I am seeing.  If that happens I hope you don't change your tune lol.  As for the poster saying basically the conference tournament is all that matter.  I guess we can just throw out the whole 22 previous games in conference because according to you they don't matter at all!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 01, 2009, 07:39:38 PM
I  doubt anyone could have beat Hope on their home floor last year.  If UTD host this coming week, good for them.  HPU will just have to play their best on the road.   I'm sure they will remember the 22 point loss from earlier this year.

I really don't like the way the playoff system takes place.  Personally I like the way the NAIA used to do it (I don't know if they still do).  They brought all the teams (32?)to KC for one tourney.  No home court advantage for anyone.  I know DIII probably doesn't have the money to do so, but this would be fair for everyone.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on March 01, 2009, 07:53:41 PM
BTW I have nothing against HPU.  Great school and great team of girls.  My daughter was a knee injury away from playing there.  I am really glad they got in and have a chance to defend their title.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lewis on March 01, 2009, 08:06:12 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 01, 2009, 07:53:41 PM
BTW I have nothing against HPU.  Great school and great team of girls.  My daughter was a knee injury away from playing there.  I am really glad they got in and have a chance to defend their title.
SabineBBall, She can still transfer. If HPU felt they wanted her then they might still welcome her.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 01, 2009, 08:15:41 PM
Quote from: ex-jacket on March 01, 2009, 06:50:18 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on February 28, 2009, 03:52:33 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on February 28, 2009, 12:12:00 PM
I do think the head to head numbers could be looked at, but I would also hope they consider the home and away aspect of that. It was unfortunate for us that the year we have our best team is the same year we play the traditional power ASC teams on the road.




You can even take it a step further for UTD.  They were undefeated at home this year and if it had been the East's turn to host the tourney it makes it a whole different tourney IMO. 
Until the conference changes the way the tournaments are played you have to alternate years!!!!!  In order to win in the National Tournament you have to be able to win on the road!!!!UTD may have not been beaten at home, but during tourney time, it's a whole new ball game and winning on the road is the name of the game.  So no more excuses!!!

Don't forget the tournament was played at UT-Tyler last year and the West dominated the tournament.  It doesn't matter where it's played the "Best" will beat the "lEast"

Great weekend of basketball by the Lady Jackets.  They fought hard and earned the right to move on.  They never gave up and played a full 40+ minutes of basketball each game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 01, 2009, 08:23:30 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 01, 2009, 07:36:19 PM

  I guess we can just throw out the whole 22 previous games in conference because according to you they don't matter at all!!!!!!!!!!!

You don't throw them out, but do you honestly think these teams are the same as when they were playing the first couple of months of the season?  I don't like the current conference system because so many games count early on when you should be playing games that will get you ready for conference play.  HPU is playing the best basketball of any team right now in the conference and it was evident on the court this weekend.  If they play UTD right now, no matter where it's played, HPU will win. 

The way the projections are holding out we might get that chance, unless it were to be a 2nd round game and UTD couldn't get past a 1st round again.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on March 01, 2009, 08:40:45 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 01, 2009, 08:23:30 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 01, 2009, 07:36:19 PM

  I guess we can just throw out the whole 22 previous games in conference because according to you they don't matter at all!!!!!!!!!!!

You don't throw them out, but do you honestly think these teams are the same as when they were playing the first couple of months of the season?  I don't like the current conference system because so many games count early on when you should be playing games that will get you ready for conference play.  HPU is playing the best basketball of any team right now in the conference and it was evident on the court this weekend.  If they play UTD right now, no matter where it's played, HPU will win. 

The way the projections are holding out we might get that chance, unless it were to be a 2nd round game and UTD couldn't get past a 1st round again.



I can see your point but it isn't like HPU blew out everyone in the tournament.  They had 3 tough games that could have went either way.  You have to be good and have some luck to win playoff games.  HPU had both this weekend.  Any chance this pod gets the 1st round bye?  I will put your absolute statement on who will win in the archives in case I need to refresh your memory later.  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on March 01, 2009, 08:43:12 PM
Quote from: lewis on March 01, 2009, 08:06:12 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 01, 2009, 07:53:41 PM
BTW I have nothing against HPU.  Great school and great team of girls.  My daughter was a knee injury away from playing there.  I am really glad they got in and have a chance to defend their title.
SabineBBall, She can still transfer. If HPU felt they wanted her then they might still welcome her.

I doubt UTD would be real happy about that lol
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 01, 2009, 09:57:47 PM
Millie,
You put me in the rather strange position of rooting for my traditional rival, HSU, against MC.  I just think the conference tourney should determine who gets into post-season.  It's the regular season, after all, that gets teams to the tourney in the first place.  That just seems more transparent to me, and therefore understandable as fair, than all these fancy numbers.  I certainly wish the tournament had turned out differently, with HPU and HSU being knocked out early and McM getting to (and winning) the final game.  But, alas, that didn't happen.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 01, 2009, 10:06:53 PM
SabineBBall one day when, as you say, UTD learns to win whether it be a 1 ,2,3,or 6 point win at tournament time a win is a win and every win is critical when the selections are being made for the dance.  UTD had a great season, but towards the end of the season they just did not have the same bounce as they did the first 2 months and to be considered as a west beater especially in the conference tourney they have to maintain a high level of play thru out the whole season. Do you honestly believe that UTD deserves to host games over HPU since UTD lost their first round game to a 4th seed and HPU won the tournament beating a 2, 1, and 2 seed?  Oh by the way I would be willing to bet HPU would accept your daughter with open arms. :D












Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on March 01, 2009, 10:19:48 PM
Quote from: golfniz1 on March 01, 2009, 10:06:53 PM
SabineBBall one day when, as you say, UTD learns to win whether it be a 1 ,2,3,or 6 point win at tournament time a win is a win and every win is critical when the selections are being made for the dance.  UTD had a great season, but towards the end of the season they just did not have the same bounce as they did the first 2 months and to be considered as a west beater especially in the conference tourney they have to maintain a high level of play thru out the whole season. Do you honestly believe that UTD deserves to host games over HPU since UTD lost their first round game to a 4th seed and HPU won the tournament beating a 2, 1, and 2 seed?  Oh by the way I would be willing to bet HPU would accept your daughter with open arms. :D

I can honestly say I don't necessarily agree with the D3 selection process (why in the world would you not count all games against d3 teams???).  Bottom line is HPU was a 3rd seed with 5 in region losses and conference losses.  If they follow the criteria as stated by them.  UTD will be higher in the regional rankings than HPU and beat HPU.  If you take the entire season UTD is higher rated!  Bottom line until the tournament UTD sweep the west including 3 of 4 of them on the road.  I know it really bugs the west but you will have to deal with a East team making the NCAA tourney (I hope lol)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 01, 2009, 10:27:08 PM
I just received some information that may be useful to some people around here.  As of two weeks ago which was the deadline, UTD didn't apply with the NCAA to host a national tournament game.  If that's the case we won't have to worry about playing at UTD.  Maybe someone inside UTD's athletic administration can shed a little light on that and correct me if that's been changed and they did apply.

That could make it a little sticky in who actually does get in.  UTD might actually have to drive to the "Mausoleum"
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on March 01, 2009, 10:29:53 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 01, 2009, 10:27:08 PM
I just received some information that may be useful to some people around here.  As of two weeks ago which was the deadline, UTD didn't apply with the NCAA to host a national tournament game.  If that's the case we won't have to worry about playing at UTD.  Maybe someone inside UTD's athletic administration can shed a little light on that and correct me if that's been changed and they did apply.

That could make it a little sticky in who actually does get in.  UTD might actually have to drive to the "Mausoleum"

Word I got was UTD had rented out their gym for that weekend a long time ago.  Not the brightest thing to do but.....who knows  ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2009, 10:41:31 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 01, 2009, 08:23:30 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 01, 2009, 07:36:19 PM

  I guess we can just throw out the whole 22 previous games in conference because according to you they don't matter at all!!!!!!!!!!!

You don't throw them out, but do you honestly think these teams are the same as when they were playing the first couple of months of the season?  I don't like the current conference system because so many games count early on when you should be playing games that will get you ready for conference play.  HPU is playing the best basketball of any team right now in the conference and it was evident on the court this weekend.  If they play UTD right now, no matter where it's played, HPU will win. 

The way the projections are holding out we might get that chance, unless it were to be a 2nd round game and UTD couldn't get past a 1st round again.

I hope that we have another vote to change things to help us with OWP/OOWP!

I have been the most vocal on this.  I want us to get as many bids as we can.  I am resolved to the "Texas sub-bracket" but I also think that HPU ran the gauntlet!

That really helps to know that they took the best shots that the best teams in the ASC could deliver!  I also am on record that this was a 9 team tourney and only 8 teams would be seeded!

The calibre of ball in this conference has improved from 2-3 good teams in the early decade to 9 solid programs! 

Good luck Lady Jackets!  Good Luck Lady Comets!  I hope that we host a regional!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2009, 10:44:49 PM
Quote from: golfniz1 on March 01, 2009, 10:06:53 PM
SabineBBall one day when, as you say, UTD learns to win whether it be a 1 ,2,3,or 6 point win at tournament time a win is a win and every win is critical when the selections are being made for the dance.  UTD had a great season, but towards the end of the season they just did not have the same bounce as they did the first 2 months and to be considered as a west beater especially in the conference tourney they have to maintain a high level of play thru out the whole season. Do you honestly believe that UTD deserves to host games over HPU since UTD lost their first round game to a 4th seed and HPU won the tournament beating a 2, 1, and 2 seed?  Oh by the way I would be willing to bet HPU would accept your daughter with open arms. :D
Yes, because UTD and HPU are 'in-region" games.  That is the way that the NCAA has set it up for all sports!

I don't want them counting towards division championships.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on March 01, 2009, 10:57:47 PM
I really feel for MC too.  They did everything right this season but their losses seem to have been to just the wrong teams.  Maybe a projection is wrong somewhere and they sneak in for the 3rd ASC team.  We can all hope!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on March 01, 2009, 11:07:09 PM
Thank you so much Sabine...I hope ya'll take your 1st round loss and use it to fire up your girls and go a long long way in the tourney...It amazes me the amount of talk from the West on this board now that the east has lost...think maybe a month ago the west was scared?  LOL  I'll  wager that if UTD is still standing tall in the tourney and HP has lost out that the boards go silent once again....hope ya'll can win it all (will do wonders for the east) that is unless the comm. gives MC a 3rd Pool c bid.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ex-jacket on March 01, 2009, 11:30:26 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 01, 2009, 07:36:19 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 01, 2009, 06:54:52 PM
  You have to win on the road this time of year.  HPU has won 3 conference championships in a row now, and 2 of the 3 were on the road (Tyler & Abilene).

This was a great tourney.  There were several teams, with a break here and there, that could have won the tourney.  Great balance, but the West is still the best.

But you got to play Hope on your home floor last year in the 2nd round.  That was a great advantage.  If you had had to play at Hope instead????  Please at least admit that was a big advantage.  UTD is a young team and just learning to win especially on the road.  UTD has won one game EVER on McMurry floor. Not making excuses for any loss just explaining the road differences.   HPU may get the chance to prove they can win on UTD's home floor from the projections I am seeing.  If that happens I hope you don't change your tune lol.  As for the poster saying basically the conference tournament is all that matter.  I guess we can just throw out the whole 22 previous games in conference because according to you they don't matter at all!!!!!!!!!!!
You get to host a post season tournament when you are undefeated and have earned the respect of the NCAA.  That's what HPU has done for not just last season but the previous seasons as well.

And by the way HPU won the National Championship on Hope's home floor!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 12:01:38 AM
Quote from: ex-jacket on March 01, 2009, 11:30:26 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 01, 2009, 07:36:19 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 01, 2009, 06:54:52 PM
  You have to win on the road this time of year.  HPU has won 3 conference championships in a row now, and 2 of the 3 were on the road (Tyler & Abilene).

This was a great tourney.  There were several teams, with a break here and there, that could have won the tourney.  Great balance, but the West is still the best.

But you got to play Hope on your home floor last year in the 2nd round.  That was a great advantage.  If you had had to play at Hope instead????  Please at least admit that was a big advantage.  UTD is a young team and just learning to win especially on the road.  UTD has won one game EVER on McMurry floor. Not making excuses for any loss just explaining the road differences.   HPU may get the chance to prove they can win on UTD's home floor from the projections I am seeing.  If that happens I hope you don't change your tune lol.  As for the poster saying basically the conference tournament is all that matter.  I guess we can just throw out the whole 22 previous games in conference because according to you they don't matter at all!!!!!!!!!!!
You get to host a post season tournament when you are undefeated and have earned the respect of the NCAA.  That's what HPU has done for not just last season but the previous seasons as well.

And by the way HPU won the National Championship on Hope's home floor!!!

That should be the way it is but it appears the NCAA is more concerned with money than who deserves to host rounds.  Wasn't Hope undefeated also?  I guess their record and continual success didn't get them the same respect lol.  Bad argument!!  Almost sounds like a few don't want to face UTD at UTD.  hmmmm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ex-jacket on March 02, 2009, 07:06:35 AM
"Almost sounds like some people don't want to play at UTD?"
What has been my whole argument?  HPU won the conference tournament on the ROAD!!  HPU earned the respect of the NCAA and received the post season tournament!! BOTTOM LINE!!  UTD has one good year!! WOW!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 02, 2009, 08:07:58 AM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 12:01:38 AM
Quote from: ex-jacket on March 01, 2009, 11:30:26 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 01, 2009, 07:36:19 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 01, 2009, 06:54:52 PM
  You have to win on the road this time of year.  HPU has won 3 conference championships in a row now, and 2 of the 3 were on the road (Tyler & Abilene).

This was a great tourney.  There were several teams, with a break here and there, that could have won the tourney.  Great balance, but the West is still the best.

But you got to play Hope on your home floor last year in the 2nd round.  That was a great advantage.  If you had had to play at Hope instead????  Please at least admit that was a big advantage.  UTD is a young team and just learning to win especially on the road.  UTD has won one game EVER on McMurry floor. Not making excuses for any loss just explaining the road differences.   HPU may get the chance to prove they can win on UTD's home floor from the projections I am seeing.  If that happens I hope you don't change your tune lol.  As for the poster saying basically the conference tournament is all that matter.  I guess we can just throw out the whole 22 previous games in conference because according to you they don't matter at all!!!!!!!!!!!
You get to host a post season tournament when you are undefeated and have earned the respect of the NCAA.  That's what HPU has done for not just last season but the previous seasons as well.

And by the way HPU won the National Championship on Hope's home floor!!!

That should be the way it is but it appears the NCAA is more concerned with money than who deserves to host rounds.  Wasn't Hope undefeated also?  I guess their record and continual success didn't get them the same respect lol.  Bad argument!!  Almost sounds like a few don't want to face UTD at UTD.  hmmmm

Hope got to host the Final Four in a year that they had one of their strongest teams.  How do you think coaches and schools would react to them getting to play at home throughout the whole tournament?  They had to earn the right to play at home in the Final Four and they didn't get past HPU.

As far as not wanting to play UTD, I can tell you right now HPU will play anybody anywhere right now because that means they are still playing and still shooting for another national title.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 02, 2009, 11:27:37 AM
Well we've got HPU going to St. Louis to play Transylvania and Miss. College going to Oglethorpe to play Greensboro.

It sucks we won't have a local game to see but there will be tons of support on the road for the Lady Jackets.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 11:37:37 AM
Congrats to MC!  Glad you got in but the process is bogus.  No way UTD shouldn't have gotten in based on numbers they released all year.  Something is really really wrong here!!!!!  It appears they got in because they could be in a pod close to them with minimal travel.  Something stinks here!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2009, 11:44:14 AM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 11:37:37 AM
Congrats to MC!  Glad you got in but the process is bogus.  No way UTD shouldn't have gotten in based on numbers they released all year.  Something is really really wrong here!!!!!  It appears they got in because they could be in a pod close to them with minimal travel.  Something stinks here!!!!
Split the conference in half!

The committee could see that they could eliminate one of the bubble-sitters this way.

If we have two Pool A conferences in this part of the country, then UTD doesn't lose in the ASC-WEST Conference tourney!

I think that we cut ourselves out of Pool C bid!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 02, 2009, 12:16:13 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 11:37:37 AM
Congrats to MC!  Glad you got in but the process is bogus.  No way UTD shouldn't have gotten in based on numbers they released all year.  Something is really really wrong here!!!!!
That's why I think a simple C bid from the runner-up in the ASC tourney would be best -- it would be more transparent than any of this stuff.
But all is not lost.  The NCAA actually put MC and HPU in different brackets, so they don't have to replay each other as soon as the postseason begins (which is what the NCAA usually seems to do to us).  In fact, if I read the brackets correctly, MC and HPU could end up playing each other in the final championship match!  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on March 02, 2009, 12:18:13 PM
I agree with Ralph.  Basically what we had this weekend at Kimbrell was a pre-NCAA tournament sub-regional.  HPU eliminated McM on Saturday and HSU on Sunday.  Let's face it, if MC hangs on Friday night against HPU, they probably don't get in.  Taking nothing away from HPU they deserved every bit of that ASC Championship.  I am happy for MC, but sad for UTD.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 02:30:14 PM
Maybe someone would breakdown the numbers but everything I see had UTD ahead of MC.  And so did the the NCAA regionals rankings 5 days ago.  Add in HPU who had to move into the regional rankings and its no contest.  I am sure we can thank our HSU rep on the committee---I doubt UTD forgets that!  UTD returns their entire team for next year and just got a little more motivation!!! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 02, 2009, 02:53:37 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 02:30:14 PM
Maybe someone would breakdown the numbers but everything I see had UTD ahead of MC.  And so did the the NCAA regionals rankings 5 days ago.  Add in HPU who had to move into the regional rankings and its no contest.  I am sure we can thank our HSU rep on the committee---I doubt UTD forgets that!  UTD returns their entire team for next year and just got a little more motivation!!! 

Go to the Multi-Region board on the Women's side and then click on the Pool C board.  You'll find the final numbers on there as far as winning %'s go.  UTD dropped way down losing to UMHB rather than MC actually looking pretty good after losing to a team that won the conference title. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 02, 2009, 02:54:24 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 02:30:14 PM
Maybe someone would breakdown the numbers but everything I see had UTD ahead of MC.  And so did the the NCAA regionals rankings 5 days ago.  Add in HPU who had to move into the regional rankings and its no contest.  I am sure we can thank our HSU rep on the committee---I doubt UTD forgets that!  UTD returns their entire team for next year and just got a little more motivation!!! 

Here are the numbers that pabegg released for the women. They aren't official, but he has been very accurate the last few years. He has MC ahead, but travel always plays a role in the tournament and there's no doubt UTD had an uphill battle in that department.

Here are the south region numbers.

Quote from: pabegg on March 02, 2009, 09:49:23 AM
Here are the final numbers run on the women

Reg Conf Rank Prior RPI    OWP    OOWP   School                    Natl Status      Reg Overall

SO  54   01   02    0.6528 0.6026 0.5364 Oglethorpe                006  A in        20-3 25-3
SO  55   02   01    0.6141 0.4999 0.4953 Greensboro                017  C 6         25-1 26-2
SO  53   03   06    0.6045 0.5357 0.5131 Randolph-Macon            042  A in        20-4 23-5
SO  51   04   08    0.6003 0.5411 0.5043 Howard Payne              048  A in        22-5 23-5
SO  51   05   04    0.5857 0.5000 0.5027 Mississippi College       051  C 22        21-4 22-4
SO  53   06   05    0.5826 0.4868 0.5168 Roanoke                   058  C 27        21-4 23-4
SO  51   07   03    0.5822 0.4908 0.5074 Texas-Dallas              059  C 28        21-4 21-5
SO  55   08   nr    0.5770 0.5175 0.4951 Christopher Newport       066  A in        21-6 22-6
SO  54   09   09    0.5951 0.5901 0.5336 Centre                    068  C 35        14-7 18-9


Reg        Region
Conf       Conference number
Rank      Regional ranking
Prior       Prior regional ranking
School
Natl     National ranking based on regional results
Status
    B + number: Pool B ranking (top 3 in tournament)
    C + number: Pool C ranking of 18 teams in tournament
    C second: second tier Pool C (spots 21-30)
    C third: third tier Pool C (spots 31-40)
    A in: clinched Pool A bid
    blank: lower level Pool C

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 02, 2009, 02:57:10 PM
Or let Chris post them on here :)


You also said UTD returns their entire team next year.  HPU does the same.   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on March 02, 2009, 04:59:25 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 02:30:14 PM
I am sure we can thank our HSU rep on the committee---I doubt UTD forgets that! 

You can say that all you want, the numbers back up MC over UTD and the last thing UTD gave the committee to look at was a spanking by a 13-12 team in its last game and a loss to a 9-16 team two games before that. MC had no bad losses (all four were to teams with 21 or more wins) and UTD had TWO of them in their final three games.

Don't call out someone that spent a lot of time on that committee, including Sunday morning before her team's championship game. The people that are on those committees take their job seriously, and take way too much flak from the uninformed. I am surprised anyone actually agrees to do it anymore.

UTD not getting into the tournament was about strictly the numbers and results and not an HSU conspiracy to bring down UTD. Don't you think if the coach had that much pull her team would have snuck in the back door.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on March 02, 2009, 05:24:30 PM
Good post hsusid.  I have a hard time commenting on the selection process because I do not know all the facts.  I am just frustrated that good teams in the ASC just beat each other up, just to get to the tourney.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 06:44:51 PM
Quote from: hsusid on March 02, 2009, 04:59:25 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 02:30:14 PM
I am sure we can thank our HSU rep on the committee---I doubt UTD forgets that! 

You can say that all you want, the numbers back up MC over UTD and the last thing UTD gave the committee to look at was a spanking by a 13-12 team in its last game and a loss to a 9-16 team two games before that. MC had no bad losses (all four were to teams with 21 or more wins) and UTD had TWO of them in their final three games.

Don't call out someone that spent a lot of time on that committee, including Sunday morning before her team's championship game. The people that are on those committees take their job seriously, and take way too much flak from the uninformed. I am surprised anyone actually agrees to do it anymore.

UTD not getting into the tournament was about strictly the numbers and results and not an HSU conspiracy to bring down UTD. Don't you think if the coach had that much pull her team would have snuck in the back door.

#'s back up?  Primary criteria: Against regional seeded opponents UTD 2-1.  MC 1-3.  One game on OWP after last regional rankings couldn't have made that much difference.  As it is the OWP difference of .0035 is not even worth discussing.  The rest of your jibberish doesn't appear anywhere in the criteria!  If your rep went off script as you speak then they were wrong!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 06:48:29 PM
Quote from: hsusid on March 02, 2009, 04:59:25 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 02:30:14 PM
I am sure we can thank our HSU rep on the committee---I doubt UTD forgets that! 

You can say that all you want, the numbers back up MC over UTD and the last thing UTD gave the committee to look at was a spanking by a 13-12 team in its last game and a loss to a 9-16 team two games before that. MC had no bad losses (all four were to teams with 21 or more wins) and UTD had TWO of them in their final three games.

Don't call out someone that spent a lot of time on that committee, including Sunday morning before her team's championship game. The people that are on those committees take their job seriously, and take way too much flak from the uninformed. I am surprised anyone actually agrees to do it anymore.

UTD not getting into the tournament was about strictly the numbers and results and not an HSU conspiracy to bring down UTD. Don't you think if the coach had that much pull her team would have snuck in the back door.

Also BTW anytime a organization refuses to release final data on something like this as the NCAA has refused to do there is a problem!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on March 02, 2009, 07:31:34 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 06:44:51 PM
Quote from: hsusid on March 02, 2009, 04:59:25 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 02:30:14 PM
I am sure we can thank our HSU rep on the committee---I doubt UTD forgets that! 

#'s back up?  Primary criteria: Against regional seeded opponents UTD 2-1.  MC 1-3.  One game on OWP after last regional rankings couldn't have made that much difference.  As it is the OWP difference of .0035 is not even worth discussing.  The rest of your jibberish doesn't appear anywhere in the criteria!  If your rep went off script as you speak then they were wrong!!

I didn't say the committee went off script. The losses to those two teams are what knocked you down. If you can't see that I am sorry. You win either of those two games and your numbers would have probably held over MC. The numbers were very close going into the tournament and like it or not MC's loss to a 23-5 team is much better than the UTD loss to a 14-13 team as far as the criteria.

Was it close? Absolutely, I am sure it was. To have the advantage in one of the criteria does not win your argument.

When it was all said and done MC probably was higher in the OWP and OOWP and it was likely more than .0035, which when you start splitting hairs is a big difference. You or I don't know the formula the NCAA uses to determine the strength of schedule, but common sense says that when Team A loses to a 14-13 team and Team B loses to a 23-5 team there will be a rather significant change to the SOS number.

I agree the formula needs to be released, but that is not what the NCAA does at this point. 

Trust me I know how it feels on selection to not get in when you were one of the last Pool Cs not to get in. The two years prior to this HSU was in the same boat. 2007 we lost to Southwestern and that left us out. In 2008, we lost six games and they were all to NCAA Tournament teams (three to NCAA champ Howard Payne). A nine-loss team got a Pool C over us. It was because of the numbers.

But your accusation on Coach Briggs was out of line. She is one person on the regional committee and two teams from our conference got into the tournament. That regional committee only sends ranking recommendations to the national committee and they don't have to accept them.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2009, 10:11:03 PM
In the men's Selection Committee Chairman's podcast, he made a comment about the committee's deliberations.

The team of one of the committee members was being discussed, so the member had to drop-off the conference call.

That is standard procedure for these activities.

It is what is expected when UTD's Marci Sanders is deliberating on the Regional Women's Volleyball Committee or Coach Shane Shewmake does for baseball.

The committee service is a prestigious honor that enhances the coach's or AD's reputation and professionalism.  They take the job seriously, because reputations are made in that committee room.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 10:14:11 PM
I wasn't splitting hairs I was going by the posted numbers but lets look at it another way.  Out of conference MC didn't play a team with a winning record. UTD had an overtime loss to St Benedicts who won their conference.  No need to add conference opponents they played the same ones by my math MC out of conference and conf tourney OWP was 1 game over .500.  UTD OWP was 1 game under .500.  A statistical dead heat.   Add in common in region opponents MC had one additional loss 4 to 3.  Regional record against seeded opponents MC 1-3 UTD 2-1 (2-2 if you count a seeded team out of region that counted as a regional game) It is nothing personal against the HSU rep (unless they at any time uttered the words I THINK MC is better and used that as a determining factor).  If 2 or 3 game swing over a 26 game schedule in OWP was the determining factor....that is not they way they say it will be.  On another thread if OWP is close they move on to other criteria.  All other primary criteria favor UTD.  So if you are going to argue criteria then argue criteria not "what you think they should do".  That makes you no better than the committee!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Good luck to MC and HPU.  I hope you play great for the conference!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on March 02, 2009, 10:35:20 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 02:30:14 PM
I am sure we can thank our HSU rep on the committee---I doubt UTD forgets that!  

That was the personal remark against the rep. That is what brought me into the conversation.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on March 02, 2009, 10:41:38 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 10:14:11 PM
If 2 or 3 game swing over a 26 game schedule in OWP was the determining factor....that is not they way they say it will be.  On another thread if OWP is close they move on to other criteria.  All other primary criteria favor UTD.  So if you are going to argue criteria then argue criteria not "what you think they should do".  That makes you no better than the committee!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Good luck to MC and HPU.  I hope you play great for the conference!!

Absolutely 2 or 3 games swing the OWP. If HSU doesn't play Sul Ross and Schreiner four times our OWP is a lot higher. The cold hard truth about getting into the NCAA Tournament, and I think that some of the others that have been here a while agree, is  --- DON'T LOSE GAMES TO INFERIOR TEAMS.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 10:47:47 PM
I just listened to the commitee chair on audio.  When asked about UTD and MC all she said was MC was slightly ahead in final regional ranking.  What a cop out.  Sounds like she just side stepped the answer completely.  Why have them on if they will not give real answers?  Wasted 15 minutes for nothing lol.  Only the NCAA at all levels gets away with this kind of stuff!!  Thanks for nothing committee chair  ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 10:50:58 PM
Quote from: hsusid on March 02, 2009, 10:41:38 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 10:14:11 PM
If 2 or 3 game swing over a 26 game schedule in OWP was the determining factor....that is not they way they say it will be.  On another thread if OWP is close they move on to other criteria.  All other primary criteria favor UTD.  So if you are going to argue criteria then argue criteria not "what you think they should do".  That makes you no better than the committee!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Good luck to MC and HPU.  I hope you play great for the conference!!

Absolutely 2 or 3 games swing the OWP. If HSU doesn't play Sul Ross and Schreiner four times our OWP is a lot higher. The cold hard truth about getting into the NCAA Tournament, and I think that some of the others that have been here a while agree, is  --- DON'T LOSE GAMES TO INFERIOR TEAMS.



Sorry you had to lose to our UTD inferior team!!  Next year try to beat the weak teams from the east and you might get in!!!!  Since everyone knows the West plays a better brand of basketball!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on March 02, 2009, 11:31:55 PM
I never said that UTD was an inferior team. I said don't lose to teams you should not and I didn't make an argument that the Cowgirls should have been in. Could they have won a game or two or even more in the tournament? I personally believe they could. They lost three games in the final seconds of the game (UTD, MC and HPU). If, and that is a big little word, they win any of those it is a moot point. They are probably the next team in line to get in. That is how small the margin of error is for our conference, with the NCAA setup as it is now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2009, 11:47:31 PM
When Patrick Abegg ran his OWP/OOWP numbers (and then did an RPI calculation to "rank order" them), UTD (by virtue of their loss to UMHB) fell from 3rd to 7th.

Mississippi College, which lost to the Pool A HPU, only dropped from 4th to 5th in that one variable.

HPU rose from an "off-the-table" 8th to 4th by beating MC, McM and HSU.

hsusid is correct. The margin of error is that small.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 03, 2009, 12:20:07 AM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 10:47:47 PM
I just listened to the commitee chair on audio.  When asked about UTD and MC all she said was MC was slightly ahead in final regional ranking.  What a cop out.  Sounds like she just side stepped the answer completely.  Why have them on if they will not give real answers?  Wasted 15 minutes for nothing lol.  Only the NCAA at all levels gets away with this kind of stuff!!  Thanks for nothing committee chair  ???

Sabine,
I've been disappointed on many occasion with the NCAA and the importance of travel, often it hurts teams from the ASC. There's no doubt that MC being a bus drive from Oglethorpe didn't hurt their chances and could have gotten them in, but it's also very possible MC did finish ahead of UTD in the rankings. The NCAA chair mentioned several times the importance of travel this year, so she did not dodge the question. She could very well have answered honestly and MC was ahead.

HSUSID is right, at this point it is splitting hairs. Maybe .0035 isn't a significant difference, but it is the difference in six pool c positions in pabegg's calculations. That should give you an idea how close it was for the last spots. I'm happy we got in, but I think all the the top ASC teams had an argument that they were deserving. I don't think there is any doubt we have teams staying home in the ASC who are better than teams who received pool c bids, but unfortunately the system doesn't do us any favors.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2009, 12:34:36 AM
ASC vs the tourney teams...

Babson (NEWMAC NE Region*) 20-8 lost to HSU 84-75 OT in the Bahamas

Southern Maine (Little East NE Region*)  22-6 lost to UMHB at Trinity TX 82-73

Baldwin Wallace (Ohio AC Great Lakes Region Pool C)  21-7  beat UMHB at Trinity TX 74-67

In the Fred Jacoby/I-20 Classic...

College of St Benedict MN 24-3 (Minnesota IAC  West Region*) lost to UT-Tyler 81-70  and
                                                                                          beat UT-Dallas 75-67 (OT)

* Pool A winner
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on March 03, 2009, 01:36:46 PM
Ralph, et al.

I have been VERY quiet and in fact non existent this year as far as posting is concerned. I am of course thrilled my Lady Jackets made such an amazing run to win the conference tourney and make the NCAA tournament. With your well documented discussions of so many conference games skewing our OWP and OOWP and the well known travel restrictions, WE NEED TO BE TWO CONFERENCES! There has to be a way to get that done.

That is the only way to get our fair share of teams in. I have no doubt that the top five could all do well in the tourney (UTD, MCM and HSU plus HPU and MC). The UAA and the WIAC are obviously great conferences, but 4 of 8 and 3 of 9 in while we have 2 of 15 is unfortunate. The 4 for the UAA seems especially generous. The ASC has a final four team and a national champion in the the last 3 years so we should have some street cred even if that does not translate to NCAA rules cred. The only realistic solution I see given the rules and the travel problems is 2 conferences.  Ralph, I think you recently gave some scenarios to make it work.  That should be pursued.

In Texas we have virtually zero margin for error, and losing to almost any one and especially lesser teams will do you in. I have no doubt that the loss to Southwestern by HSU a couple of years ago in NOVEMBER kept them out.

We have all worn out our complaints about the unfairness of the system to the geographically isolated and also to our 15 team conference.
 
We need 2 conferences!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on March 03, 2009, 01:46:57 PM
Ok my venting day is over  ;) Go get them HPU and MC!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2009, 02:24:37 PM
Glad to have you back, Rick!

Okay Lady Jackets.

You have been here before.  As you walk into the WashUStL Field House, you will recognize some of the trophies that they have.  They have more of them, but yours is newer.

The Transy crowd may not be as big, just because the Transy men are at "near-by" Centre.

That should be a good game to get under your belt.  Play hard and remember that you have been here before.

Best wishes!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 03, 2009, 03:09:43 PM
Quote from: Rick Akins on March 03, 2009, 01:36:46 PM
Ralph, et al.

I have been VERY quiet and in fact non existent this year as far as posting is concerned. I am of course thrilled my Lady Jackets made such an amazing run to win the conference tourney and make the NCAA tournament. With your well documented discussions of so many conference games skewing our OWP and OOWP and the well known travel restrictions, WE NEED TO BE TWO CONFERENCES! There has to be a way to get that done.

That is the only way to get our fair share of teams in. I have no doubt that the top five could all do well in the tourney (UTD, MCM and HSU plus HPU and MC). The UAA and the WIAC are obviously great conferences, but 4 of 8 and 3 of 9 in while we have 2 of 15 is unfortunate. The 4 for the UAA seems especially generous. The ASC has a final four team and a national champion in the the last 3 years so we should have some street cred even if that does not translate to NCAA rules cred. The only realistic solution I see given the rules and the travel problems is 2 conferences.  Ralph, I think you recently gave some scenarios to make it work.  That should be pursued.

In Texas we have virtually zero margin for error, and losing to almost any one and especially lesser teams will do you in. I have no doubt that the loss to Southwestern by HSU a couple of years ago in NOVEMBER kept them out.

We have all worn out our complaints about the unfairness of the system to the geographically isolated and also to our 15 team conference.
 
We need 2 conferences!!

I've always thought our conference was too big geographically.  Alpine to Clinton, MS?

How would you divide up the conference?  How would this effect football, since several schools don't have that sport?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2009, 06:36:36 AM
Jacket, here is my post from last week.  The advice that the late (and wise) Fred Jacoby gave was that having only 7 teams made that conference vulnerable to being "held" hostage by one team that would threaten to leave, causing the loss of the AQ.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2009, 09:26:24 PM
The regional rankings are out for the last public time.

We will probably have two very good teams that might qualify for bids, and we might have a division that is shut out of bids for the playoffs, just barely.

We have CTX announcing adding track and field and ETBU adding tennis (both mens' and women's I assume).

Let's look at an option to increase the number of AQ's that we get.

To be a conference to earn the AQ, you must have seven full members (or at least 4 core members and three affiliates.) 




The ASC-West could split off the ASC (go into Pool B for two years) and then 2 years later have these AQ sports.

VB
Football (accepting ETBU, LaColl and MissColl as affiliates)
M/W Soccer
M/W Basketball
M/W Tennis
Baseball
Softball
M/W Golf (accepting the ASC-East teams in both sports as affiliates; currently LeTU, MC, UTD and UTT for the men; LeTU UTT and UTD for the women.)

The ASC-West would have the required four schools to sponsor a conference championship in M/W T&F (CTX, HSU, McM, SRSU and TLU-women).  UT-Tyler and MissColl could affiliate for both genders.

The ASC-West also has 4 schools sponsoring  Men's XC (CTX, McM, SRSU and Schreiner) and 5 in women's Cross Country (CTX, HSU, McM, Schreiner and SRSU).   The West schools could affiliate for a combined championship with the East if they wished under an affiliation agreement.




Where does that leave the ASC-East.  I understand that a conference needs to sponsor five men's and five women's sports.

The East has the full 7 schools to earn the AQ for these sports.

M/W Soccer
M/W Basketball
M/W Tennis (now that ETBU has added both M/W tennis)
Baseball
Softball.

The ASC-East has these core members in Cross Country to sponsor the sports.

MXC -- (5) ETBU, MissColl , UOz, UTD, UTT
WXC -- (6) ETBU, LaColl, MissColl, UOz, UTD, UTT.

The West schools could affiliate with the East "conference" for the championship.

What is left that we haven't covered?  LaColl and UOz need to add volleyball for the ASC-East to have the AQ.

The result--

We gain AQ bids in Volleyball, M/W Soccer, M/W Basketball, M/W Tennis, Softball and Baseball!


You win the East.  Your first playoff game may be the West, but it is in the NCAA's and not the ASC tourney finals.

That is 9 more bids to the NCAA's after the two provisional years needed by the new conference.  Long-term crossover contracts between the two conferences could be signed to assure games.  Our complaints about weak schools on the schedules would be mitigated by the fact that we had doubled our bids in this part of the country.


The weakness in this strategy is this.

Texas Wesleyan spent an exploratory year moving up from D-II about 2001.  TWU moved right on thru to the NAIA and Red River AC.

UDallas, a charter member left the ASC in 2001.

Another Charter member, Austin College left us in 2006.

Those schools are "east".

This strategy has been on the books for nearly a decade.  It has suffered three setbacks.  It makes sense.  Nevertheless, a team leaving the conference and dropping below the threshold of 7 teams and this strategy backfires.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ex-jacket on March 06, 2009, 12:39:02 PM
Will we be able to watch HPU's game over the internet?  I can't find a link, but was wondering if I missed something.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 06, 2009, 01:21:14 PM
check out the sidebar on the front page of d3hoops where it shows the schedule of the women's games.  On that it has the HPU/Transy game where you can view the livestats and the video.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on March 06, 2009, 04:17:07 PM
Ex-Jacket:

You can also listen to the game with Dallas Huston by going to hpusports.com and clicking on "Listen Live." It's not the Washington U. video, but he can make you feel as if you are there sometimes!

Also, Washington University has a very nice tournament page with a lot of information including those live stat/video links.

Go Lady Jackets!! Good luck in less than 2 hours!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 07, 2009, 11:53:53 AM
So what happened to us?  East division UTD gets knocked out in the first round of the ASC tournament, then McM and HSU get beaten by HPU, which also beats MC by one point.  So then HPU and MC get into the playoffs and they both get taken out in their first round of their respective sectionals.  To an outsider, it must not look like we're nearly as strong or consistent as we've been thinking that we were...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on March 07, 2009, 12:34:56 PM
Or you could say the ASC's 2 best most consistent teams for the season got beat in a 3 day tourney and didn't even get into the tourney because of one game.  Call me stupid but when neither your East or West Champion don't even get a shot something is wrong with the system!!!  IMO 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2009, 01:56:55 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on March 07, 2009, 12:34:56 PM
Or you could say the ASC's 2 best most consistent teams for the season got beat in a 3 day tourney and didn't even get into the tourney because of one game.  Call me stupid but when neither your East or West Champion don't even get a shot something is wrong with the system!!!  IMO 
A question for HPU fans...

Were the Lady Jackets a little flat after three hard games in the ASC tourney?

I can imagine how hard it might be to play Mississippi College, McMurry and HSU back to back.

The UAA doesn't have a post-season tourney and yet managed to get 4 women's and 3 men's teams into the tourney.

They are a special case and a quality league.

The CCIW men's fans think that they should not renew the post-season tourney that they have had for a couple of years.  They think that it hurts their chances in Pool C.

I believe that Linfield gained a Pool C bid in baseball in 2008 because the Northwest Conference does not have a post-season baseball tourney.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 08, 2009, 11:33:57 AM
HPU was very flat Friday.  It reminded me of the game they had 2 years ago against Puget Sound.  They played great in the ASC tourney.  Maybe they just didn't have anything left.  They got further that most people expected this year.  No seniors, and hopefully most of the remaining players will come back.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on March 08, 2009, 12:10:27 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2009, 01:56:55 PM
I believe that Linfield gained a Pool C bid in baseball in 2008 because the Northwest Conference does not have a post-season baseball tourney.

Ralph, Linfield won the NWC outright last year and had the AQ.  George Fox did make the tourney as a Pool C, however. 

BlueZoneBruin
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2009, 04:17:11 PM
http://www.brownwoodbulletin.com/articles/2009/03/07/sports/doc49b29318b05d3076046163.txt

HPU-Transy article.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2009, 04:20:14 PM
Quote from: BlueZoneBruin on March 08, 2009, 12:10:27 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2009, 01:56:55 PM
I believe that Linfield gained a Pool C bid in baseball in 2008 because the Northwest Conference does not have a post-season baseball tourney.

Ralph, Linfield won the NWC outright last year and had the AQ.  George Fox did make the tourney as a Pool C, however. 

BlueZoneBruin
Thanks, my bad.

http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2008/05/09/5273/2008-playoff-central.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2009, 04:22:16 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 08, 2009, 11:33:57 AM
HPU was very flat Friday.  It reminded me of the game they had 2 years ago against Puget Sound.  They played great in the ASC tourney.  Maybe they just didn't have anything left.  They got further that most people expected this year.  No seniors, and hopefully most of the remaining players will come back.

However, I think that most ASC fans expected our tourney winner to make it at least into the third round, at the least.

I now wonder about the prudence of the 8-team tourney format for improving the NCAA post-season performance of the Pool A bid.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2009, 06:15:01 PM
Question for HPU fans who saw the Transy game...

Did you see a level of talent in Transy that HPU had not seen this year?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 08, 2009, 10:28:05 PM
When HPU and McMurry lost their best players from the previous year HPU(Daniels, Blalock, Hoffman) McMurry(Richardson, Sawyer) they fell back to the pack in the ASC.  The past couple of years they were both way ahead of everybody.

Other teams in the ASC are catching up and as a result when the top tier drops back just a little it makes it look like those other teams are really good. 

Sabinebball, I'm sorry if you think you got robbed out of a tournament bid but after watching most of the teams play this year and comparing them to the tournament teams of last year that I saw (Hope, George Fox, Messiah, UW-Whitewater and even McMurry's team last year) I felt we were lucky this year to get that extra bid.

You can disagree all you want but the results don't lie.  I don't think UTD or McMurry would have faired any different this year.

On that note, have a good offseason and I hope everybody comes back ready to go next year.

Congrats Lady Jackets on a great year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2009, 10:31:11 PM
dballa, did you go to St Louis?  :)

My curiosity concerns how UTD played with College of St Benedict which is in the Sweet 16.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 08, 2009, 11:12:58 PM
Ralph,

I didn't get to go.  I already had a trip planned to Dallas to watch the Mavs Saturday night with my little one to celebrate her birthday.  What can I say she's a Dirk fan and we made it a big surprise all the way until we showed up to the American Airlines Center. 

I watched the HPU/Transy game on the net and listened to it.  They came out firing but went cold.  Rebounding was going to be the key but for whatever reason Transy wanted them more.  They deserve a lot of credit they made shots throughout the whole game and blocked out very well.

Young teams play better at home.  UTD caught St. Benedict on a long road trip early in the season.  I'm sure they played a great game since it went to OT.  But when those same young teams get into a post season tournament such as the ASC tournament, youth tends to overtake talent.  They'll be back next year and most likely will be hosting the conference tournament.  I don't think they'll lose in the first round at their place.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2009, 12:05:17 AM
ASC vs the tourney teams...

Babson (NEWMAC NE Region*) 20-8 lost to HSU 84-75 OT in the Bahamas

Babson lost to Amherst 54-77. Amherst  beat Emmanuel 76-37.

Southern Maine (Little East NE Region*)  22-6 lost to UMHB at Trinity TX 82-73

USM lost to Emmanuel 49-55.

Baldwin Wallace (Ohio AC Great Lakes Region Pool C)  21-7  beat UMHB at Trinity TX 74-67

BWC beat Pitt-Greensburg 52-44; lost at Hope 53-69

In the Fred Jacoby/I-20 Classic...

College of St Benedict MN 24-3 (Minnesota IAC  West Region*) lost to UT-Tyler 81-70  and

beat UT-Dallas 75-67 (OT)

CSB beat Ripon 55-42  and beat UW-Whitewater 67-59

* Pool A winner
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 10, 2009, 10:51:50 PM
Quote from: dballa on March 08, 2009, 10:28:05 PM
Other teams in the ASC are catching up and as a result when the top tier drops back just a little it makes it look like those other teams are really good. 
That makes sense.  The final games at the ASC tournament, McM-HPU and then HSU-HPU, both seemed intense and tight.  But it could have just been because they were all so evenly matched, not because they were way above average.  I notice that both the teams that defeated us (meaning HPU and MC) in the first round of the playoffs got beaten by wide margins (over 20 points) in the second round.  That doesn't make the ASC look really great to outsiders, I would imagine.  But it really does make last year's HPU team a one-of-a-kind phenom.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 11, 2009, 09:29:16 AM
Mcmfan,
   I totally agree with you.  Yesterday I looked back at last years HPU season and the scores.  With the exception of McM, HSU, and MC, they were beating people by 20,30,40,50 and even 80 points a game.  In my opinion (for what it's worth), last years HPU team would have beaten this years HPU team by 30+ points.  HPU had a great nucleus of 3 players that scored approx 60-70% of the total points. 
   HPU was lucky that some local companies pulled through and bought a new floor for the coliseum.  If they hadn't, HPU would not have hosted Hope, DeSales, & George Fox.  As great as HPU was, I don't think they could have gotten past Hope on a neutral floor, or their home court.  We had a huge home advantage with the crowd, plus not having to travel.  This time of year it takes lots of talent, plus a lot of luck.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2009, 10:16:42 AM
In that perspective, then one must acknowledge those early/mid-decade (pre-HPU) HSU teams that came so close.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 11, 2009, 10:32:07 AM
I agree, there was probably very little difference between the great HSU teams and last years HPU team. 
  Bottom line, the way DIII playoffs is set up, home court advantage is a huge factor, and HPU was lucky enough to have it last year.
   I'm beating my dead horse, and I know DIII can't afford to, but I believe they need to have a tourney at one neutral site.  Bring all the teams into one place.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfniz1 on March 12, 2009, 09:35:19 PM
Jacket last year when HPU beat Hope no one gave our girls a chance in winning that game and probably not even you.The only ones that knew they could do it were those 14 girls that played, Coach K, and the parents of those girls and they went out and won the game.  They played with alot of heart and intensity that is how they played all year, that is why they won the National Championship.  They wanted that game 4 points more than Hope did, please don't say they were lucky, home crowd or not HPU was a very good basketball "TEAM"  last year and proved it beating the top teams (Hope, DeSalles,Whitewater, Messiah and McMurry) in the nation in the process.  So luck is not a good word to use they were just that good.  There is a diffrence in the HSU teams of lore and last years HPU team that being HPU won a National Championship the first for the ASC Conference in any sport.  So please don't tarnish their legacy by calling them lucky.  Please don't take this wrong I know you are an HPU fan, but it upsets me when anyone call last years team lucky.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2009, 09:52:18 PM
golfniz, in your following HPU for four years, how much benefit does HPU get from playing at home?  In your humble opinion (IYHO), how many points is Home Court Advantage worth?

2005 -- Trinity at home
2006 -- beating Trinity at McMurry and then losing to HSU at McMurry
2007 -- bye, then destroying Chapman at home and then losing at Decorah IA
2008 -- Bye, then three games at home -- McMurry and DeSales and Hope, and then Final Four.

Thanks in advance.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 13, 2009, 08:20:22 AM
 I don't believe I said the HPU girls were lucky.  I stated that HPU was lucky to get to host those games.  They hosted due to some local merchants poneying up $ to update the colisuem.  If those people had not done so, HPU would have played all of their games on the road.  I think that made a huge difference. 

Yes, I've probably watched more HPU games (men and women) than you'll ever know.  Even before the coliseum was built, and HPU had a women's team.  I did think HPU could beat Hope.  We were playing them at home, with our crowd, and our great team.  I knew HPU had to play a great game to win, and they did. 

All I'm saying is playing at home in the playoffs is a huge advantage.  I dont' like playoffs that allow a team to have home court advantage.  Period.  Hope has the chance again this year to win the national championship at home.  I don't believe that's fair, but that's DIII.

I think HPU could have beat Puget Sound, and Transy in Brownwood, but they didn't on a neutral court.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 13, 2009, 12:47:53 PM
I don't think it's a disservice to the HPU National Championship team, but there's no question playing at home was a huge factor last season. This is just an opinion, but if that sectional is hosted by Hope College then I don't think they make it to the Final Four. And I thought HPU had a great team with the best player in the country.

It is very rare for an ASC team to host a sectional, and HPU was very fortunate it worked out like it did. We've had several ASC teams, both men and women, who I think could have reached the Final Four if they host sectionals. I think the 2007 HPU team was a Final Four team if they play in Brownwood, HSU has had a couple women's teams I think could have made it if they hosted sectionals. McMurry's women last year was also right there. For the men, I think McMurry had teams in 1999-2000 who could have made it at home. The MC teams in 2005-06 were Final Four caliber IMO if they host sectionals.

Home court advantage for ASC teams plays a much bigger role than for teams in the midwest-northeast. When we travel it is hopping on a plane, travelling with very few fans and having games officiated by local officials from a different part of the country who usually call a much more physical style game. On the flipside, when we host sectionals then we get the advantage of all those scenarios with huge crowds, hopefully tired legs from opponents, few fans from other schools and officials we've used all year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sioux on May 05, 2009, 12:28:23 PM
Anybody know of any committments to ASC schools? Only one I know of is Sidney Skeen of Early to McMurry.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2009, 04:54:41 PM
Quote from: Sioux on May 05, 2009, 12:28:23 PM
Anybody know of any commitments to ASC schools? Only one I know of is Sidney Skeen of Early to McMurry.
Hello, Sioux!  No, I haven't. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thomasthetank on May 07, 2009, 09:39:21 PM
If Mississippi College brings in a good class they should be good again
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 23, 2009, 09:55:51 PM
Congratulations to Ashley Huston at HSU for winning the Heptathlon.

HSU finished 8th with 22 points.

Also performing at the Nationals, TLU tied for 41st with 6 pts, and McMurry tied for 73rd with 1 point.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 09, 2009, 06:48:28 PM
Congratulations ASC Women! (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?key=/ncaa/ncaa/ncaa+news/ncaa+news+online/2009/association-wide/womens+basketball+attendance+sets+another+record_06_02_09_ncaa_news) 

#2 in the country in attendance...

and to McMurry  coming in at #8, with the help of our friends who attended the ASC tourney, where McMurry's attendance numbers benefited from great crowds.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on June 12, 2009, 12:59:17 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 09, 2009, 06:48:28 PM
Congratulations ASC Women! (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?key=/ncaa/ncaa/ncaa+news/ncaa+news+online/2009/association-wide/womens+basketball+attendance+sets+another+record_06_02_09_ncaa_news) 

#2 in the country in attendance...

and to McMurry  coming in at #8, with the help of our friends who attended the ASC tourney, where McMurry's attendance numbers benefited from great crowds.


I would like to know how they come up with these figures.  I know at HPU, some people have passes, some pay, etc.  I think it's all estimations.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lewis on June 29, 2009, 11:14:20 AM
HPU did not have any post season home games this year to factor into home attendance average.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on June 29, 2009, 12:58:47 PM
I understand that HPU didn't play any post season games, which would have boosted their average attendance.  My question is how do they come up with the numbers.  I've been to games at HPU, McMurry & HSU.  The way people enter, leave, re-enter, I'm not sure how they get a true count.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 29, 2009, 02:19:04 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on June 29, 2009, 12:58:47 PM
I understand that HPU didn't play any post season games, which would have boosted their average attendance.  My question is how do they come up with the numbers.  I've been to games at HPU, McMurry & HSU.  The way people enter, leave, re-enter, I'm not sure how they get a true count.

The way that everyone else in D-III comes up with a count.   ;)   ;D   :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on June 29, 2009, 02:35:34 PM
Guess + Estimate / 2 = Guesstimate   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on July 01, 2009, 01:05:35 PM
Found this on UT Tyler athletic website...

Deike's Contract Not Renewed by University

The University of Texas at Tyler has chosen not to renew the contract of head women's basketball coach and associate athletic director Terri Deike.

"We thank Coach Deike for her dedication and service to UT Tyler, the athletics department, and the women's basketball program," said UT Tyler Athletic Director James Vilade. "Coach Deike played a major role in helping UT Tyler move toward NCAA membership and she was involved in many other facets of the athletics department."

Assistant Coach Cassi Little will assume the women's basketball coaching duties on an interim basis and a national search for a new head coach will begin immediately.  Deike will continue in her role as associate athletics director until August 31st.

Deike was UT Tyler's first women's basketball coach and had a 90-61 record over six seasons. Her teams won three American Southwest Conference East Division championships and appeared in the ASC tournament twice.


....There must be something goin on here cuz Deike did an amazing job building that program so fast, I did  some more research and found this article

http://www.tylerpaper.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090701/SPORTS06/907010312

She doesnt sound happy at all. Lot of interesting quotes in that article. It also says Becky Taylor transferred to HSU....whats goin on at UTT? anybody know?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tennessee_papa on July 01, 2009, 08:32:58 PM
"....There must be something goin on here cuz Deike did an amazing job building that program so fast, I did  some more research and found this article"

The situation looks moderately nasty.

And the school picked a heck of a time to do this.  By the end of June most kids have decided where they're going to go, and obviously the coach is a pretty important factor related to where you want to go to school and play.  This happened to my kid, but fortunately there was enough time to evaluate the change and make a somewhat (arguably barely) informed decison.  I can't imagine how much turmoil we'd be going through if the school she committed to had fired their coach yesterday.

And what's up the the thing about her having "25 players coming in"?  Don't know if that's 25 new kids or 25 including returnees, but either way it's way to many for a sport in which five at a time play. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on July 01, 2009, 09:30:46 PM
thats division 3 for ya. dont have to gurantee anything to them so bring in as many as you can.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tennessee_papa on July 01, 2009, 11:19:07 PM
"thats division 3 for ya. dont have to gurantee anything to them so bring in as many as you can."

That's just poor.  One of the things we focused on when she was going through being recruited was numbers.  You can't ask "will I get to play" because it sort of comes across as unsophisticated, and besides, until they see you play against other kids at the college level the coaches really don't know, either.

But we did ask how many players are coming back, how many are you recruiting, what's your comfortable level in terms of roster size, what if you end up with a higher number of potential players, how big do you expect your rotation to be, and so on.  And we asked what "being recruited" guaranteed her (would she be on the travelling team, etc.).  If any coach had said they expected 25 kids hanging around then they'd have been off the list immediately, unless my child really, really liked the school.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on July 02, 2009, 01:07:46 AM
its not poor its smart, like you said. the coaches really dont know how good you are until they get to see you play against other kids, especially on the division three level. if you only bring in 12 kids for the whole team and 3 or 4 of em arent as good as you thought, then you cant even practice. obviously what she is doing works. bringin in 25 id guess atleast 5 are gonna quit before the season starts an then theres probably another 5 who just arent good enough an they can redshirt a year an try to play the next an still play all four years. and 25 is probably not including the kids who just show up an think they can play because its d3
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tennessee_papa on July 02, 2009, 09:37:53 AM
But isn't it the coaches' job to apply some discrimination function to roster management?  Aren't they supposed to be trying to get kids they want, even in D3?

Mine was recruited by 4 schools, and those four coaches all had a choke point between 15 and 17 players, for what it's worth.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on July 02, 2009, 12:35:26 PM
So your looking at like about a 10 player difference, an some of those players are probably kids who are just coming, doesnt mean the coach recruited them.  Plus some are going to quit while others are not goin to be good enough, should be easy to get the number to 15. This isnt high school anymore, even if the coach recruited you, if there are 15 players better than you then they dont have to keep you around. thats how it goes. im sure all of the top programs do it like she did.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tennessee_papa on July 02, 2009, 09:49:50 PM
BTW, looks like Schreiner hired their new coach today.  Got the assistant from UTD.  Given what's been accomplished at UTD, that's probably a good idea......
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 31, 2009, 06:32:13 PM
New coach at UTT

http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=3156
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on August 01, 2009, 12:12:09 AM
Quote from: Tennessee_papa on July 01, 2009, 11:19:07 PM
"thats division 3 for ya. dont have to gurantee anything to them so bring in as many as you can."

That's just poor.  One of the things we focused on when she was going through being recruited was numbers.  You can't ask "will I get to play" because it sort of comes across as unsophisticated, and besides, until they see you play against other kids at the college level the coaches really don't know, either.

But we did ask how many players are coming back, how many are you recruiting, what's your comfortable level in terms of roster size, what if you end up with a higher number of potential players, how big do you expect your rotation to be, and so on.  And we asked what "being recruited" guaranteed her (would she be on the travelling team, etc.).  If any coach had said they expected 25 kids hanging around then they'd have been off the list immediately, unless my child really, really liked the school.

I see your point, but you have to look at it from a DIII coach's standpoint because there are a couple very good reasons for high numbers in my opinion.

For one, oral commitments are not binding and kids change their mind all the time at the last minute. DIII coaches who only recruit the players they evaluate in the top echelon are taking a big risk of seeing scholarship schools snatch them up just before school and you're left with nothing. It happened to one of sports at MC a few years ago with about six talented kids backing out in the summer for whatever reason, so I know it can happen.

Secondly, one of the few advantages DIII coaches have on scholarship schools is they don't have to place as much emphasis on evaluation as scholarship schools. They don't have to worry about evaluating because they can take both kids if they are close and let it play out. Coaches misevaluate kids all the time, but there really isn't a reason for that to happen in DIII if they can get both on campus.

And there really are a lot of kids who basically recruit themselves onto the team just for a shot at playing or coming along with a friend, which greatly inflates the numbers.

I would agree with you that a coach should be honest about the situation from the start and not try and deceive any player or family, but it is very risky in DIII to only bring in the number of kids you need. It can backfire in a big way and puts you at a competitive disadvantage to other schools who are playing the numbers.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tennessee_papa on August 01, 2009, 04:10:47 PM
I understand how complicated DIII recruiting is compared to the divisions that can give athletic schoarships.  And I'm sympathetic to the complications.  It's certainly not up to me to say how many kids UTT should run throught the program in the preseason.

And I know some schools keep a whole bunch of players around, some of whom never see the bench, much less the court.  Go to Depauw's website and take a look at last year's team picture.  They've got more kids "on the roster" than they have uniforms, I think.

I still think that the coaches have to have some discrimination function working, if for no other reason than if you don't you end up with a whole lot of unhappy people hanging around your locker room, which isn't healthy.

I also should explicitly say that all four coaches that my daughter dealt with were completely honest about everything as best I can tell.  All four came across to me (and my kid) as delightfully decent folks who she'd have been happy to play for.

I did happen to discuss the situation with "walk-ins" with two of them, one after he had successfully convinced my daughter to come play and another several months after my daughter had decided to go elsewhere.  Both gave me the very strong impression that "walk-ins" don't have much of a chance to make the roster.  Obviously you'll get a surprise evey once in a while.......
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 01, 2009, 04:32:33 PM
Even at D-III, the talent has been scouted so well that there are really few surprises.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 03, 2009, 08:54:27 PM
I saw a McMurry University Ladies In Basketball (LIB) t-shirt in a Casa Ole in Tyler this evening.

Classy looking shirt, if I say so myself (on a classy lady, too). ;)

I am ready to defend the ASC-West crown!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sioux on September 22, 2009, 05:07:04 PM
What are your predictions for the way the season is going to play out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sioux on September 22, 2009, 05:07:59 PM
Who are some noteworthy freshman or transfers at your school this year?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on October 16, 2009, 12:38:45 PM
It feels like basketball season again.  Looking forward to another great season in ASC and keeping up with the teams here on D3 hoops!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 10, 2009, 10:41:26 PM
Quote from: Sioux on September 22, 2009, 05:07:59 PM
Who are some noteworthy freshman or transfers at your school this year?
Becky Taylor left UT-Tyler and transferred to HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lewis on November 11, 2009, 10:23:39 AM
HPU lost to D-I UT-Arlington in an axhibition 58-46. Was only down two points at half and down only two with ten minutes to play. UT-Arlington is picked to finish 2nd in the Southland Conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 20, 2009, 07:53:27 PM
HPU 75 UT Tyler 48 Final
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on November 28, 2009, 05:35:40 PM
Final MC 70 -  HSU 58.  Mississippi State beat Ole Miss today in the Egg Bowl.  It's a great day to be from Mississippi.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2009, 09:21:25 PM
Louisiana College 70 McMurry 40.  This was a solid performance for the Lady Wildcats who led 36-20 at the half.

The McMurry defensive effort was missing completely.  I have not seen the stats and only caught the last 2 minutes of the game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lcwildcatfan on November 29, 2009, 04:05:27 PM
Louisiana College led 36-20 after the first half. Three Lady Cats reached double-digit scoring, among them Christy Pantallion, who scored 21 points, 3 boards, 3 assists, 3 steals, and a blocked shot. Tillisha Givens added 15 points and 8 boards and Roslyn Wilmer added 11 points for the win. Freshman post player Voneshia Williams was also solid in the game, scoring 8 points and grabbing 8 boards.

Louisiana College also beat William Carey in their season opener 79-67. Tillisha Givens led with a 27-point performance while grabbing 7 boards and 3 steals. Voneshia Williams a freshman also had 15 points and 7 boards. Senior guard Joanna Tate also had 12 points hitting 4-6 from behind the arc.

Tomorrow, we play Hardin-Simmons who has been a nemisis since I have been around LC. Dating back to the 2000-2001 we have played them all but 1 year 2001-2002 and we have yet to beat them. I think this is the only team in the conference we haven't beat yet 0-9. I have feeling this year will be the year we pull one off at H.O.W. Fieldhouse.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 01, 2009, 01:11:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2009, 09:21:25 PM
The McMurry defensive effort was missing completely.

What is missing are people like Amber Horton.  Someone said last year that she was what made our defense scary.  The team has yet to figure out how to replace her, I think.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2009, 01:38:04 PM
Last night's defensive effort was much better.  I am not sure whether LC is the cream of the ASC-East or all of the new players are just learning to play with each other better.

I like the new point guard, Rikeita Thomas.  She is a true freshman, so she might aproach former McMurry All-American Symbri Tuttle's numbers over a 4-year career.

You hate to let a lead in the last minute over MC on the road, or anywhere, slip away.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 03, 2009, 11:06:42 PM
HPU 51 Ozarks 49 Final.

HPU struggled on offense shooting only 26%.  They needed a last second shot by Hope Hohertz to win the game.

Wasn't as bad as HSU's fate though as they lost to UTTyler 79 to 75 at home.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on December 05, 2009, 09:11:59 PM
Ralph, who is the best in the West this year? It doesn't seem to be any domination as in the year's past.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 05, 2009, 09:56:33 PM
HPU is still undefeated and ranked #8 in the nation I would think it's pretty obvious they are the best in the west and in the conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on December 06, 2009, 09:24:14 PM
    It's always hard to know who is best, until they play each other.  Especially when HPU, McMurry & Hardin Simmons play each other.  There's always a lot of emotion involved, and home court is a great advantage.
    A good team can find ways to win when they don't play well.  That was the case with HPU against the Ozarks.  HPU played much better against UT-Dallas.   I believe HPU, by the end of the season, will be a better team than last year.  Two new juco transfers are starting to make an impact for the team.  I was very impressed with the Freshman Kayla Scott out of Azle against UT-Dallas.  She's got a bright future in the ASC.  
    HPU will be putting on a lot of miles in approx. 18 days starting the middle of the month.  LC and MC on the road, then going to California Luthern (beat George Fox the other night), then out to Alpine.  After those 3 trips, HPU will be battle tested, and ready to play at home.

   I must say the Ozark team will beat a lot of teams this year.  This is not the same Ozark team from the past.  You can tell the coach knows what he's doing and will have that team contending.  I was impressed.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2009, 09:54:21 PM
What makes no sense is TLU beating Louisiana College!

LaCollege beat McMurry by 30.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on December 07, 2009, 11:38:58 PM
Thanks to live video I got to watch a good game between MC and TLU.  Double overtime, it doesn't get any better (unless MC had won).  Both teams had chances and opportunities to win and TLU came out on top.  Congrats to TLU, and McMurray and HSU better come prepared to play when they visit Seguin.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2009, 11:49:46 PM
Quote from: nash on December 07, 2009, 11:38:58 PM
Thanks to live video I got to watch a good game between MC and TLU.  Double overtime, it doesn't get any better (unless MC had won).  Both teams had chances and opportunities to win and TLU came out on top.  Congrats to TLU, and McMurray and HSU better come prepared to play when they visit Seguin.
I believe you.

The TLU win over LC was no fluke!   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on December 08, 2009, 08:36:15 AM
Coach Long started improving TLU her first year.  She's a good coach and TLU will not be just another Win for teams.  They will be getting plenty of wins of their own.  TLU will help determine who wins the West this year.  I think there will be more parity in this conference this year than ever before.  You better play your best game, or it may result in a loss.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ShouldaBeenAnIndian on December 15, 2009, 01:04:29 PM
I heard all of this about Ozarks going to be a good team and going to win games, how they almost beat HPU, then see that they get beat by SRSU? Explain that!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on December 15, 2009, 02:38:21 PM
Quote from: ShouldaBeenAnIndian on December 15, 2009, 01:04:29 PM
I heard all of this about Ozarks going to be a good team and going to win games, how they almost beat HPU, then see that they get beat by SRSU? Explain that!

I wasn't at the Sul Ross/Ozark game.  All I can say is that HPU palyed one of their worse games in recent years against the Ozarks, then Ozarks had to travel another 350 miles to play Sul Ross.  The Ozarks may have been emotionally drained after having HPU beat and loosing at the buzzer.  I don't know.  HPU started hitting on all cylinders against Sul Ross.  50+ point margin, and it could have been more.  Freshmen got a lot of playing time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 15, 2009, 10:10:16 PM
McMurry 71, HSU 57.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on December 22, 2009, 12:11:44 AM
[quote HPU is still undefeated and ranked #8 in the nation I would think it's pretty obvious they are the best in the west and in the conference.[/quote]

Well, it looks like HPU is no longer undefeated.  They lost to LC 69-54 on Saturday and to MC 74-60 tonight.  They may be the best in the west but they are no longer the best in the conference.  It will be interesting to see what two losses from unranked teams do to their national ranking.  With HPU's last second win over Ozarks and these two losses, it seems the east is stronger than they've been.  I also find it interesting that the west side of this forum is quiet.  HPU has a good team, they never gave up.  LC and MC both have strong teams this year and what an interesting year seems to be in the making.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 22, 2009, 08:15:50 AM
Hey Nash,

Try winning in the Spring and you can talk about who is the best in the conference.  

The East hasn't won a conference championship this decade.

Congrats on the wins in December but it means very little aside from a few regional ranking points.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on December 22, 2009, 08:41:17 AM
HPU is in the middle of a very tough road trip.  Now they travel to CA to play Cal Luthern (who beat George Fox).  I wish they didn't come out with rankings until Jan.  You get a better feel for who is best after 10 games are played.

  Once MC and LC have to travel long distances, their record will probably come down some. 

    From looking at the stats, HPU's offense was really off.  That can always be contributed to good defenses.  I dont' know if that was the case or not, since I wasn't at the games. 

   HPU will be back and they'll be the #1 seed in the post season tournament.  The East will be hosting this year, which will make it tough.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on December 22, 2009, 09:29:47 AM
I just found it funny that I made a comment when TLU beat MC and was slapped down about how good HPU was.  Well I guess LC and MC proved that wrong. I know that the conference championship is the ultimate goal, but in years past the west has filled this forum with talk about their teams and this year with the losses there is not much talk.  As for as traveling, every road trip for MC, except LC, is long and that is part of the game. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on December 22, 2009, 09:31:25 AM
Quote from: dballa on December 22, 2009, 08:15:50 AM

Congrats on the wins in December but it means very little aside from a few regional ranking points.


I believe the wins mean a lot.  The winner of the East will host the ASC tournament.

I also believe it's way too early to be saying who is "Best". 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 22, 2009, 09:46:17 AM
MC and LC caught HPU and HSU/McM at home this year.

The 2 teams that are on my radar at Ozarks and TLU.

I wonder how strong Trinity really is.  They beat McMurry in OT, and McMurry is a bit down this season.

The East is definitely stronger this year.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on December 22, 2009, 09:49:29 AM
I knew last night what ya'lls reponse would be...they are coming off a long road trip..that 1 trip every 2 years is the same trip that MC and LC make several times each year (and don't use that as an excuse). Someone has to be the longest...that would be us and Alpine (our favorite place in TX)..we are part of the conference and until we split the conference you will have to make the trip every other year...(i don't really know why if a trip to Miss is so hard why you would subject your girls to a trip to CA)...I really expected , like 4 or 5 years ago to have a conversation about the currents in the dome being a factor...the only currents in the dome were the air cond...
On a positive note (it is Christmas by the way), I can see  HPU has a very good team...they are fast, quick, and i am sure they can score, they can get open for the shot, don't know what the shooting % was, not too good i would think, but i am sure they were just off...i am sure they will be back up in the polls.........
BUT by no means, should you be so pompous as to take lightly the east, yes they have not won a championship in many years...but some time some place, when least expected...this is starting out to be a strange year..there are teams in the east beating (or coming close) teams on the west that have never been taken serious...
Yes, you are right polls mean nothing   unless you want to use them for your argument.
Have a very Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on December 22, 2009, 10:04:17 AM
I don't believe I was making excuses.  Even 2 years ago when HPU won the national championship, HPU had a very hard time at MC.  They were lucky to win.  It's a long season and it's way too early to say who is best, but I will say that the East is much better this year.  You can look at any earlier post of mine, when I stated there is more parity in this Conference than I've ever seen, and a team has to play it's very best to win.

   Why would they go to CA to play some tough teams?  It will make them that much better in conference play.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on December 22, 2009, 10:21:17 AM
Maybe it is not the long road trip..maybe props need to be given to MC' team and coaching staff...too often people blame bad shooting (for instance) on the venue, or the long trip or any number of other things and sometimes it may be the good defense of the team being played...just a thought...
I am outta here...got to get ready for Christmas...have a good one...see you next year
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on December 22, 2009, 10:31:57 AM
This is my earlier quote.

From looking at the stats, HPU's offense was really off.  That can always be contributed to good defenses.  I dont' know if that was the case or not, since I wasn't at the games. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on December 22, 2009, 12:47:10 PM
A few thoughts after seeing the MC-Howard Payne game last night. First, that's a tough trip for HPU with two losses. But I think a lot of teams are going to struggle with that trip this year, and not just due to travel. HSU and McMurry both went 0-2 on the trip. LC and MC are both good this year.  LC has blown people out all year, and MC is a double OT loss from being 9-0.

For HPU, the LC loss was a tight game until the last few minutes, but last night the game was never close. MC led 44-27 with 14:31 to go, and the rest of the half was pretty much played with MC up 10-15 points. HPU cut it to 8 around the 10:00 mark, but MC pushed it back to 14 on the next three trips. HPU was down six points at the half and then shot 56% in the second half. Normally that's a win but MC shot 60% in the second half and just outplayed them. I didn't think HPU played poorly overall other than poor first half 3-point shooting, and actually played well and shot well in the second half.

MC's starting lineup is very, very good. All three guards can shoot from the perimeter and the two post players are both talented. They brought in a very talented 6-0 JUCO post player, and a talented 5-11 freshman wing player, to go with three players who have contributed for two years already. Anna Patterson is a three-year starter at guard who is having a great season, and I think forward Jalessa Taylor is 5th in the ASC in scoring. I think the key for them will be the continued improvement of the second unit as the season goes along. That is a big question mark, but they've improved substantially.

LC has looked great all year, UTD has everyone back from a great team last year, HPU is still a strong contender to win the league again, and though the West has struggled overall they have absolutely dominated the league for a long time now. It should be interesting the rest of the way.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 22, 2009, 01:13:39 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on December 22, 2009, 10:04:17 AM
I don't believe I was making excuses.  Even 2 years ago when HPU won the national championship, HPU had a very hard time at MC.  They were lucky to win.  It's a long season and it's way too early to say who is best, but I will say that the East is much better this year.  You can look at any earlier post of mine, when I stated there is more parity in this Conference than I've ever seen, and a team has to play it's very best to win.

  Why would they go to CA to play some tough teams?  It will make them that much better in conference play.

And it helps the conference's numbers when post season at-large bids are being considered.

Those two games are in-region games for HPU and they also help with OWP and OOWP in the conference.

We need in-region games!  Games against teams in the South Region.

What absolutely does not help the conference are these games.  Games against:

D-1 schools.
D-2 schools.
NAIA schools.

and to a lesser degree, D-III schools from outside Administrative region #4 for schools in Texas, and administrative region #3 for schools in LA, AR and MS.

Those games from the administrative regions and South Region that count are these:

CTX:  Concordia-IL  (William Smith is not in-region.)
ETBU:  Birmingham-Southern, Huntingdon, LaGrange and Oglethorpe
HSU:  Trinity Tx, St Olaf's (one TBD, either Central which is  or Pitt-Greensburg which isn't at Georgetown on Dec 29th.)
HPU:  Cal Lutheran and UC Santa Cruz
LeTU:  Austin College x2, University of Dallas
LaCollege:  Millsaps
UMHB:  Southwestern, Trinity Tx, UW-Stout (Bluffton is not in-region.)
McM:  St Olaf, Trinity TX, Concordia IL (William Smith is D-3 but not in-region.)
MC:  Rhodes, Rust x2, Hendrix, Millsaps
SU:  None  
SRSU:  None
TLU: Austin, UDallas.
UTD:  Austin College, Oxy, Chapman
UTT:  Hendrix
UOz: Hendrix, UDallas

ETBU's schedule gets the Most Improved award from a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: UNCLE on December 22, 2009, 03:22:37 PM
Hey all,

I did make the game at Mississippi College and was impressed with their team.  Very good!
HPU was definitely off on their shooting.  MC's defense was good, but we couldn't hit open 3's, layups, or anything else. The first six minutes we only scored 2 pts!  Things improved when we changed the pace but MC matched us when we did hit a bucket. 

I know we should be careful what we wish for but:  When we meet again! ;)

The Dome looked good.  There was a strong cold front blowing crosswinds. lol

The conference  is better this year in the east, and appears to be better in the west as far as TLC, Ozarks, MHB.  McM, and HSU are always tough.

I didn't get to see the La-HPU game, I arrived at 4:00 pm. for a 5:30 game only to discover that it started at 1:00 pm.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ShouldaBeenAnIndian on December 22, 2009, 03:36:57 PM
The entire ASC seems somewhat tipsy-turvy this year! Just look at all the who-beat-who matchups! LC and MC beat HPU, but TLU beat both of them! Ozarks beat McM, but lost to SRSU. It just seems a little bit crazy. Though as it always is, anyone can beat anyone on any given night!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 23, 2009, 08:40:05 AM
I'm here, I really haven't gone away and I still keep up....I just have not physically been to a game yet, so I can't voice my opinion because  I haven't actually seen it with my own eyes! I have listened to some games on the radio, but right now high school b-ball is taking up most of my days.  Wow the east is kicking some butt and taking names.  What goes around, comes around.  They obviously are hungry, and maybe we have gotten a little complacent.  Makes for some great conference play.  I hope to get to games after the first of the year, and see WHAT is going on. Till then "Merry Christmas" to everyone.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Postemup on December 24, 2009, 02:07:14 PM
                             

I've seen a few games this year and i'm somewhat confused.  Where is the post play?  HPU can't score from the post and can't defend the post!  The transfer from New Mexico is more of a 3 position player.  All of the post and wing players are outside shooting 3's.  When the 3's are falling HPU looks unstopable.  When the 3's are not falling the going gets tough.  Offenseive rebounds are rare when the "starters" are on the court.  When the subs enter the game is when the inside game gets going.  Pfiester #44 and Gayden #32 both have the ability to create a presence inside if given a chance, and Hobbs is always around the ball.  Pfiester needs to move her feet and stay out of foul trouble, and Gayden just needs playing time.  Where is the "Team" ball?  There is no inside...... or inside out......just out!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 24, 2009, 06:05:40 PM
Welcome postemup!

This season is really strange.  McMurry just isn't there yet.

I think that they make the ASC playoffs, so they have the season to get it together.

They are a young team though.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2009, 08:45:18 PM
Good game by the Lady Cru.  They beat UW-Stout, the #4 preseason pick in the WIAC, 74-63.

McMurry beat Wm Smith (NY) 72-56.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 30, 2009, 07:38:44 AM
Concordia-Austin lost to Concordia-Chicago 59-55. (Best of this posters 'knowledge-first time a NAthCon squad has beat an ASC team in hoops.)

Cougars play McMurry later today.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2009, 09:22:26 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on December 30, 2009, 07:38:44 AM
Concordia-Austin lost to Concordia-Chicago 59-55. (Best of this posters 'knowledge-first time a NAthCon squad has beat an ASC team in hoops.)

Cougars play McMurry later today.

Final score, McMurry 65 CUC 30.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 02, 2010, 06:58:09 PM
HPU 75 UC Santa Cruz 51 Final
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 14, 2010, 09:03:55 PM
We have finished the inter-division games for 2009-10.

Once again, the standings bring out the inequity of counting the crossover games in the standings.  I repeat this every year, because the facts do not change.

Some say to count the games, because you have to play them.

Well they do count because they are South Region in-region games.  That impacts NCAA Regional rankings and prospects for Pool C (at-large) bids and the chance to host the NCAA playoffs, if you are one of the 64 teams (for the Women and 62 teams for the men.)

What is not fair, is that the teams that played in the fall semester in December are not the same teams that will be playing in February.

There are academic casualties.

There are mid-term additions and transfers.

There are disciplinary cases.

There may be injuries in the mid-season that impact key players.

There are inequities in the single round robin schedules.

For the men, ETBU played UMHB, CTX, McM and HSU on the road.  They went 1-3 against those four teams that are currently #1, #2, #3 and #6 inter-divisional records.

UOzarks' men  played UMHB, CTX, McMurry and HSU at home.  They went 2-2 including a one-point losses to HSU and McM.  They were two baskets away from being 7-1 versus the West.

Those schedules are not balanced.

Here are the standings thru Wednesday night, Jan 13th.


ASC-East
TeamConf Record   Crossover Record   Intra-division Record   Games relative to 4th place
UT-Dallas7-17-10-0+2
La Coll7-26-21-0+1.5
UTT6-26-20-0+0.5
Miss Coll6-36-20-10
ETBU3-53-50-0-2.5
LeTU3-53-50-0-2.5
UOz2-62-60-0-3.5

TeamConf Record   Crossover Record   Intra-division Record   Games relative to 4th place
HPU7-25-22-0+2.5
UMHB6-34-32-0+1.5
TLU6-34-32-0+1.5
McM4-43-41-00
HSU3-53-40-1-1.0
CTX3-63-40-2-1.5
SRSU1-81-60-2-3.5
Schreiner0-90-70-2-4.5


IMHO, the divsion races ought to be starting tonight.   The season is only half over and some teams are so far into the hole that they cannot see out.

With the beginning of the new semester, the student bodies ought to have a chance to see the team get hot and make the tournament.

Next year, I hope that both men's and women's coaches will vote to count only the division games towards the division championship and the playoff bids, and end this madness.

Thanks for indulging me in this perennial rant and good luck to LeTU, ETBU, UOz, Schreiner and SRSU.  With 12-13 games left in the season,  (that is half of the season), you already in a hole and your season may be looking bleak.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 16, 2010, 05:50:24 PM
I've watched or listened to several McM women's games, and I haven't seen or heard any so far where we looked very sharp.   As a loyal fan, I don't want to badmouth my own team, but against TLU Thursday night, TLU actually had a better shooting percentage than we did.  The problem, I think, is that we don't seem to have anyone on the team this year who you know will hit a basket if she gets open.  Amber Horton was like that last year, or Symbri Tuttle before her -- and they were known best for defense and assists, not shooting.  Of course, we had Tarra Richardson, who was known for racking up the points, but even people who were best at other parts of the game could hit the basket if they got the chance.   Why do we have no crack shooters this year?  I guess we just don't.  Luckily, we seem to be doing better at other aspects of the game like rebounding to make up for it, and hopefully that will be enough to get us past the teams that do have crack shooters.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2010, 10:40:49 PM
Sign of the end-times?  Has anyone consulted the Mayan calendar for any astronomical associations?

TLU won its third overtime game of the season over HSU 80-79 in Seguin.

HSU now has 6 conference losses.  McMurry and TLU have 4.  UMHB and HPU have 3.

The West is going to be a brutal, and a good team is not going to make the ASC tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on January 17, 2010, 06:23:01 PM
I think a 16 - 5 record will win the West this year.  (HPU)

18 - 3 will win the East.  (UT-Dallas)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2010, 07:07:48 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on January 17, 2010, 06:23:01 PM
I think a 16 - 5 record will win the West this year.  (HPU)

18 - 3 will win the East.  (UT-Dallas)
HPU as outright champs?

No ASC West Division winner has had that poor a winning percentage since the start of Division play.

McMurry was 17-4 in 2009.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on January 17, 2010, 09:55:27 PM
I think HPU will win the West.  Who knows who will win the tournament.  My guess UT-Dallas will host.  HPU has beaten them twice this year.  If HPU plays their game, Yes they are capable of being the out right champs for the 4th year in a row. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 18, 2010, 11:35:25 AM
Looks to me like the East and West are reverse images of what they've been in past years.  My guess is that when tournament time comes, after the first round it will be 3 East teams and only 1 West team still in contention.  Usually, it's been the other way around. The West teams seem more evenly matched with each other than in the past, but from the crossover games the East seems stronger than any of them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ShouldaBeenAnIndian on January 21, 2010, 12:18:20 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on January 17, 2010, 09:55:27 PM
I think HPU will win the West.  Who knows who will win the tournament.  My guess UT-Dallas will host.  HPU has beaten them twice this year.  If HPU plays their game, Yes they are capable of being the out right champs for the 4th year in a row. 

HPU is going to have to beat UMHB next time they play though. I wasn't there, but I understand the game in Belton was pretty close. The shooting percentages looked pretty good as well, especially UHMB's from behind the arc. I'm curious to see how the ASC will turn out this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on January 21, 2010, 12:50:58 PM
I'll bet HPU will be ready form MHMB when they come to Brownwood.  I'm looking forward to HSU tonight, and McMurry on Sat.  I always love those games. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2010, 10:44:34 PM
Cowgirls win.  Who awakened them?  HSU 75, HPU 69.

For the sake of the West, I guess that I am glad that it was tonight.

Those Lady Jackets will be madder than Hornets uh, Yellow Jackets come Saturday pm.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on January 21, 2010, 11:33:47 PM
I hope HPU gets ready for McMurry.  They let Newcombe completely dominated the inside game tonight.  HSU by far won the rebounding game.  HPU did well when they actually attacked the basket, but didn't attack enough.  I hope McMurry brings some fans.  It should be a good game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ShouldaBeenAnIndian on January 21, 2010, 11:40:22 PM
Wow! This really throws a curve at the West! Saturday should be a really good game! I might have to make my way to Brownwood to see it!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2010, 11:47:25 PM
Quote from: ShouldaBeenAnIndian on January 21, 2010, 11:40:22 PM
Wow! This really throws a curve at the West! Saturday should be a really good game! I might have to make my way to Brownwood to see it!
The UMHB win at TLU is a big one now!

This is a five team race for 4 slots.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2010, 11:56:12 PM
HSU (5-6) may have the most favorable schedule left.

Ten games remain.  There are three road games...at SRSU, and then at CTX and at UMHB.
They have 7 home games against the entire ASC-West.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2010, 12:15:19 AM
Quote from: JACKET84 on January 17, 2010, 06:23:01 PM
I think a 16 - 5 record will win the West this year.  (HPU)

18 - 3 will win the East.  (UT-Dallas)

Let's look at this.  Games against the Top 5.

TeamConference   Overall Record    Games Remaining vs. Top 5Conference record if Home team wins all games against the Top 5, and no upsets by CTX, SRSU and SU
Mary Hardin-Baylor    9-3   12-4H/A McM, H/A HSU, TLU, at HPU15-6
Howard Payne    8-4   12-4H/A McM, H/A TLU, at HSU, UMHB14-7
McMurry    7-4   10-5H/A HPU, H/A UMHB, at HSU, TLU14-7
Texas Lutheran    7-5   8-7H/A HPU, at UMHB, at McM, at HSU12-9
Hardin-Simmons5-6   8-7H/A UMHB, McM, TLU, HPU14-7
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on January 22, 2010, 08:26:50 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2010, 11:56:12 PM
HSU (5-6) may have the most favorable schedule left.

Ten games remain.  There are three road games...at SRSU, and then at CTX and at UMHB.
They have 7 home games against the entire ASC-West.

The way they played last night, I would agree with you.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ShouldaBeenAnIndian on January 22, 2010, 09:31:15 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2010, 12:15:19 AM
Quote from: JACKET84 on January 17, 2010, 06:23:01 PM
I think a 16 - 5 record will win the West this year.  (HPU)

18 - 3 will win the East.  (UT-Dallas)

Let's look at this.  Games against the Top 5.

TeamConference   Overall Record    Games Remaining vs. Top 5Conference record if Home team wins all games against the Top 5, and no upsets by CTX, SRSU and SU
Mary Hardin-Baylor    9-3   12-4H/A McM, H/A HSU, TLU, at HPU15-6
Howard Payne    8-4   12-4H/A McM, H/A TLU, at HSU, UMHB14-7
McMurry    7-4   10-5H/A HPU, H/A UMHB, at HSU, TLU14-7
Texas Lutheran    7-5   8-7H/A HPU, at UMHB, at McM, at HSU12-9
Hardin-Simmons5-6   8-7H/A UMHB, McM, TLU, HPU14-7

It looks like TLU will have the toughest schedule left having to play the four other top teams on the road. I guess it will be interesting to see.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 22, 2010, 11:44:53 AM
Quote from: JACKET84 on January 21, 2010, 11:33:47 PM
I hope McMurry brings some fans.
We will.
The Abilene Reporter-News, incidentally, called the crowd at the game "hostile."  I know fans support their team, but "hostile"?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on January 22, 2010, 08:53:17 PM
 a hostile crowd of 1,350.

What a joke.  Hostile?  Was this reporter even at the game?  I really doubt the 1,350 in attendance.  Maybe they consider 3 or 4 people yelling at the refs as hostile.  Who knows.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2010, 04:56:55 PM
Updated Jan 23rd.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2010, 12:15:19 AM
Quote from: JACKET84 on January 17, 2010, 06:23:01 PM
I think a 16 - 5 record will win the West this year.  (HPU)

18 - 3 will win the East.  (UT-Dallas)

Let's look at this.  Games against the Top 5.

TeamConference   Overall Record    Games Remaining vs. Top 5Conference record if Home team wins all games against the Top 5, and no upsets by CTX, SRSU and SU
Mary Hardin-Baylor    10-3   13-4H/A McM, H/A HSU, TLU, at HPU15-6
Howard Payne    9-4   13-4at McM, H/A TLU, at HSU, UMHB14-7
McMurry    7-5   10-6HPU, H/A UMHB, at HSU, TLU14-7
Texas Lutheran    8-5   9-7H/A HPU, at UMHB, at McM, at HSU12-9
Hardin-Simmons6-6   9-7H/A UMHB, McM, TLU, HPU14-7
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2010, 08:59:57 PM
Final McMurry 62 at HSU 57.

Coach Snow is now 5-1 against her alma mater as a head coach.

Sweeping the season series against HSU functionally gives McMurry a 2 1/2 game lead over HSU with 6 to go.  Two of those home games are against Sul Ross State (2-17)  and Schreiner (0-19).

HSU needs to beat TLU for the 4th spot.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 03, 2010, 07:37:08 PM
Ralph,
The regional polls came out and LC is #5 while Hendrix is #2.  MC beat Hendrix easily and I don't understand how they can be #2 in the region.  I am afraid the the ASC is going to get screwed this year for tournament bids  because the conference is so even and if you don't win the conference tournament you won't get to go anywhere.  It seems parity in the ASC is going to restrict our opportunities for post season play.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2010, 08:03:00 PM
I am scared about that, too.

I think that DePauw Women will win the SCAC's AQ.

Hendrix will be compared against other teams in the region.  If Hendrix can win at Trinity, and then beat AC and then make it to the SCAC finals, they will have put together a pretty good record.

But I know that this team only beat a quirky Ozarks team by 2.  Go figure.

I wish that the conference would split into two.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tennessee_papa on February 03, 2010, 09:04:23 PM
Quote from: nash on February 03, 2010, 07:37:08 PM
Ralph,
The regional polls came out and LC is #5 while Hendrix is #2.  MC beat Hendrix easily and I don't understand how they can be #2 in the region.  I am afraid the the ASC is going to get screwed this year for tournament bids  because the conference is so even and if you don't win the conference tournament you won't get to go anywhere.  It seems parity in the ASC is going to restrict our opportunities for post season play.

I was at the MC - Hendrix game and I wouldn't say they beat Hendrix easily.  HC was up at halftime and MC lead most of the 2nd half, but the lead was maybe 3 to 7 points most of the way.  MC was clearly better that night primarily because Hendrix had no answer for MC's posts.  MC's post play was fabulous.

Agree that it's a surprise that Hendrix is ranked #2 in the region.  Sounds a bit high to me.  Got a link to the rankings?

Nevermind.  Found 'em.  Trinity fourth in the region is more of a surprise than Hendrix 2nd.  Not sure I see how either is ranked above LC.  Or UTD for that matter.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2010, 08:03:00 PM
But I know that this team only beat a quirky Ozarks team by 2.

Hendrix's starting point guard and backup point guard were both out that game - injured a couple of days before in Memphis.  Don't know how much that contributed.  HC is a bit quirky and inconsistent themselves.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2010, 09:29:59 AM
Thanks, Tennessee Papa.

UOzarks is a quirky team, too.

They have pulled their share of upsets this season (McMurry included).

Trinity is at #4 by the way that the calculations work.

They get good wins over McMurry (at home and OT) and UMHB, one of the criteria.

They get quality OWP/OOWP with the Stout game.  Scranton does not hurt them, but Scranton is a good team to play if one looks at secondary criteria.

IMHO, the South Region is weaker this season relative to the rest of the country, with the possible exception of CNU.

I think tht DePauw (Great Lakes Region for the women) is the best team in what we think of as the "South".
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2010, 08:17:54 PM
UMHB 74, McM 60.  UMHB's Kallie White finished with 24 points, the first 17 of which pushed UMHB to a 25-16 lead.  McM never recovered from that.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 12, 2010, 05:15:15 PM
Ouch! :P  Giving up 90 points to HSU.  It would be interesting to know the last time anyone scored that many points on an HPU girls team.  I looked back thru the 95 season, and there's nothing close to 90.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2010, 10:17:38 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on February 12, 2010, 05:15:15 PM
Ouch! :P  Giving up 90 points to HSU.  It would be interesting to know the last time anyone scored that many points on an HPU girls team.  I looked back thru the 95 season, and there's nothing close to 90.
That was a "must-game" for the Cowgirls to make the 4th slot in the tourney.

TLU has their destiny in their own hands, but they really needed to beat UMHB last night.

TLU is now 10-8, hosting CTX, and wining in Abilene at McMurry and at HSU next weekend.

HSU is currently 9-9 in conference play.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 14, 2010, 07:11:25 PM
It looks to me like HSU and TLU are neck and neck for the fourth and final slot in the playoffs.  Since TLU beat HSU earlier in the season, who has the tie breaker if HSU beats TLU when they come to Abilene?  It looks to me like McM will get in as long as we win one of the two final games next week, but what of the HSU/TLU matchup?  Have the HSU women ever missed the conference tournament since the ASC was set up?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2010, 07:57:37 PM
Let me try this.  I think that mcmfan is correct.

ASC Tie-breaker (http://www.ascsports.org/sports/2007/10/19/ASCTIEBREAK.aspx?tab=tie-breakerprocedure)




 In the event of a tie for first place and/or other places in the regular-season division or conference standings, the tie-breaking procedures for ASC Championship Tournament seeding shall be as follows. This formula is only used for tournament seeding and is not used to break position ties in the standings (ties stand). In Division sports, the tie-breaking procedure is done only among Division opponents unless otherwise specified in the tie-breaking criteria.

9.1.1    Two-Way Ties: In the event of a two-way tie, the seed positions are determined by:

            a.  Record against each other.  

            b.  Record against Division opponents in descending order starting with the highest seeded team.

            c.  Point-Run Differential between tied teams. There will be a maximum cap in designated sports used for each game in the Point-Run Differential:

                       Baseball: Fewest runs allowed against tied teams per game

                       Basketball: 10 points per game

                       Football: 21 points per game

                       Softball: six runs per game

                       Volleyball: match games won-lost, followed by a cap of six points per game

                       Soccer: goal differential between tied teams, followed by a cap of four goals per match

            d.  Record against mutual opponents in the opposite Division in descending order starting with the highest seeded team in the opposite Division. If the tie remains, Point-Run Differential in descending order starting with the highest seeded team in the opposite Division (maximum cap as listed under 9.1.1.c).

            e.  If the above formula is not conclusive, the Commissioner shall conduct a coin flip to determine the           highest seeded team(s).

9.1.2    Multiple Ties: In the event of a tie with three or more teams, the seed positions for all sports except football and tennis are determined by the following formula When a team or teams have been seeded, the remaining teams are placed at the beginning of the appropriate formula for "Multiple Ties" or "Two-Way Ties" until all ties have been broken.

            a.  Collective record against other tied teams.

            b.  Record against Division opponents in descending order starting with the highest seeded team.

            c.  Collective Point-Run Differential between tied teams. There will be a maximum cap in designated sports used for each game in the Point-Run Differential:

                       Baseball: Fewest runs allowed against tied teams per game

                       Basketball: 10 points per game

                       Football: 21 points per game

                       Softball: six runs per game

                       Volleyball: match games won-lost, followed by a cap of six points per game

                       Soccer: goal differential between tied teams, followed by a cap of four goals per match

            d.  Record against mutual opponents in the opposite Division in descending order starting with the highest seeded team in the opposite Division. If the tie remains, Point-Run Differential in descending order starting with the highest seeded team in the opposite Division (maximum cap as listed under 9.1.1.c).

            e.  If the above formula is not conclusive, the Commissioner shall conduct a coin flip to determine the highest seeded team(s).


To earn a playoff bid:

McMurry has the tie-breaker on HSU, regardless.  I think that McMurry's magic number is 1.  One win by McMurry or one loss by HSU, and McMurry has a bid.

HSU's magic number is 2.  HSU gets the season-split with TLU.  HSU has a split with HPU whereas TLU has lost to HPU twice.  HSU needs two wins this week.  In a three-way tie at 12-9, HSU loses in the first tie-breaker (Record versus McM/TLU is only 1-3.)

TLU's magic number is 2.  To earn the #3 seed, they must win both.  

Corrections are appreciated.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2010, 08:06:03 PM
I will defer to hsusid or some other HSU expert, but it looks like this could be the first time that HSU would not make the post-season tournament.

The tourney began in 1999.  They were tri-champs in the 1998 and Austin College earned the post-season bid.  They finished 6-6 and 4th in 1997.

http://www.ascsports.org/documents/2008/4/25/alltimeWOMENSBASKETBALLstandings.pdf

This is a great week for basketball.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on February 14, 2010, 08:18:51 PM
I am no expert, but it would be the first time. HSU won the first six ASC tournaments 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004. Lost to McMurry in the semifinals of 2005, lost in the first round of the 2006 tournament to ETBU, lost to Howard Payne in the semifinals of 2007 and 2008 and lost to Howard Payne in the 2009 finals.

The only time HSU did not win at least one game in the ASC Tournament was 2006 and the Cowgirls went to the Final Four that season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 15, 2010, 11:35:56 AM
Let me see.. if McM loses to TLU but beats Schreiner, it ends up with a 12-9 record.  If TLU beats McM but then loses to HSU, it ends up with a 12-9 record.  If HSU beats Schreiner and TLU, it finishes 12-9.  What happens then?  McM has the tiebreaker over HSU, so it gets in; and since HSU has its two wins over HPU, it gets in?

And what if Schreiner fools everyone and manages to win one of its last two games?  Yes, this could be a very interesting week...!



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ShouldaBeenAnIndian on February 15, 2010, 02:02:12 PM
I've managed to make three McM games so far this year, but I haven't been as impressed with them as I have been in the past. I expected the HPU game to be a lot closer than it was. It seems to me the entire west conference has gone down recently. Do we even have anybody in the top 25? It should make the conference tournament interesting.

The McM/TLU game should be a good one on Thursday, even though McM beat them by quite a bit last time I think. Both teams will have plenty of motivation to play well I would think. I just hope I get to see it!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 15, 2010, 07:53:45 PM
Oops, I just realized that Ralph already answered my question about a 3-way tie in his earlier post.  Of course, as ShouldaBeenanIndian pointed out, what will probably happen then in the conference tournament is that all the west teams except UMHB will get destroyed in the first round -- the opposite of what the tournament has looked like in past years.   Is the east that much better, or the west just that much weaker?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 15, 2010, 08:03:45 PM
I think that the east is stronger than it has been in the past.  Regardless of who is going, it looks like it is going to be in Pineville this year.  A bright spot for Pineville is if the weather warms over the next two weeks crawfish may be available.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ShouldaBeenAnIndian on February 15, 2010, 08:04:54 PM
I haven't gotten to see any East teams play, but from the scoring I can't really even tell. Just by watching a West game though (i.e. HPU & McM Saturday) you can tell that the West has gone down a lot. HPU was National Champions a few years ago! McMurry was conference champions! They are not even close to that right now. What's gone wrong? Is it recruiting? Coaching? In some cases I think it has been a combination of those. Because I'm not as closely associated with the East, I can't really even say if they have gotten much stronger. I can say though that they West is significantly weaker than in recent years past.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 15, 2010, 08:22:36 PM
As for HPU, how often do you have a DIII Player of the Year, with Kim Hoffman & Stacey Blalock as your team mates.  If it wasn't for HPU, McMurry would have gone very deep in the playoffs.  It's hard to stay at that level every year.  They have a lot of young players this year.  They still have a shot at another 20 win season, so if that's down, there are a lot of teams that would like to have that kind of a down year!
  Yes, the East is stronger, and there's more parity in the West.  Let's see how the tournament unfolds. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 15, 2010, 08:47:31 PM
The numbers get confusing pretty fast, but it looks to me like HSU not only has to win both of its last two games, but either McM or TLC have to lose both of theirs.  If they both split, you get the 3-way tie where, according to Ralph's calculations, HSU comes out on the short end --- I think.  ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2010, 08:48:23 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on February 15, 2010, 08:22:36 PM
As for HPU, how often do you have a DIII Player of the Year, with Kim Hoffman & Stacey Blalock as your team mates.  If it wasn't for HPU, McMurry would have gone very deep in the playoffs.  It's hard to stay at that level every year.  They have a lot of young players this year.  They still have a shot at another 20 win season, so if that's down, there are a lot of teams that would like to have that kind of a down year!
  Yes, the East is stronger, and there's more parity in the West.  Let's see how the tournament unfolds. 
I think that the conference is down overall, especially considering the "bust" that we had last season.

I would have expected us to win at least one tournament game.

I think that LaCollege is good enough to go deep.  The question is whether they are sufficiently mature to handle the pressure, the first time out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 16, 2010, 04:27:50 PM
WEST TEAMS WHO WILL BE IN THE TOURNEY:
                                                                        UMHB - HPU - MCM - HSU

EAST TEAMS WHO WILL BE IN THE TOURNEY:
                                                                        LC - UTD - MC - ETBU
                     
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 16, 2010, 11:36:36 PM
Well, it is official Louisiana College will be hosting the ASC tourney this year, after beating Mississippi College in over time. It was complete with cutting the net down and even signing autographs after the game.  Welcome to the great state of Louisiana and the piney hills of central Louisiana.  For those of you who complained about going down I-20 to Jackson Miss, hold on to your hats.  Someone needs to ask if the can replace the lights that are out in the scoreboard, the  3's, 6's and 9's kinda look alike.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The Jinx on February 16, 2010, 11:43:42 PM
How is the conference tourney bracket set up?  East v West, seeding, etc.  Hope this makes sense.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 17, 2010, 09:09:27 AM
Quote from: jmnaseum on February 16, 2010, 04:27:50 PM
WEST TEAMS WHO WILL BE IN THE TOURNEY:
                                                                       UMHB - HPU - MCM - HSU

EAST TEAMS WHO WILL BE IN THE TOURNEY:
                                                                       LC - UTD - MC - ETBU
                     
What about Texas Lutheran?  Doesn't UT-Tyler have a chance?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 17, 2010, 11:32:04 AM
I don't know about UT-Tyler, but TLU hasn't managed to beat a team with a winning record since the start of the season back in December, except for HSU (and that only by 1 point in OT -- and at a time in the season when HSU still had more conference losses than wins).  This week, it faces both McM and HSU on their home turf, and while it needs to beat only one of them to get into the tournament, that could be a long shot.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ShouldaBeenAnIndian on February 17, 2010, 01:25:59 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 17, 2010, 11:32:04 AM
I don't know about UT-Tyler, but TLU hasn't managed to beat a team with a winning record since the start of the season back in December, except for HSU (and that only by 1 point in OT -- and at a time in the season when HSU still had more conference losses than wins).  This week, it faces both McM and HSU on their home turf, and while it needs to beat only one of them to get into the tournament, that could be a long shot.

You say that about TLU, but look at the schedule. The only teams they have played with winning records since that HSU game are UMHB who leads the West conference, and HPU who is second. And they didn't get blown out by either of those teams. But they DID beat LC and MC at the beginning of the season, in Seguin granted, but beat them nonetheless. I'd say the games on both Thursday at McMurry and Saturday at HSU should be interesting. As it was once said, "Anyone can beat anyone on any given day."
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 17, 2010, 01:40:37 PM
True enough, ShouldaBeenAnIndian.  This whole conversation is a mark of how power in the conference this year has shifted to the east.  Instead of discussion about how far some west team might go in the playoffs, we're just excited about which west teams will even make it to the tournament!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 17, 2010, 02:07:16 PM
mcmfan, i agree that the east has become stronger this year (which is great for the entire ASC) but no way will I ever underestimate the west...and for the east to do so would be a BIG mistake...granted that HSU has not been the usual power house...we in the east would be fools not to take them serious...the west has tournament experience all the way to the very top!!!  It has been shown every year that the west knows how to play the tournament....let the games begin and "let the good times roll"...I just hope it will be fun...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lcwildcatfan on February 17, 2010, 06:23:21 PM
Hats off the LADY WILDCATS! Great season! I knew we would eventually emerge on top in the East. Tournament is in the big city of Pineville this year!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BBenthusiast on February 18, 2010, 11:53:02 AM
Congrats to LC!!  At least since I've been around, playing LC at home or there has always been a nerve racking experience because everyone knew that our team better get it together and be on their game or they could very possibly get beat.  LC, you've worked hard and I'm glad to see you get rewarded by winning the east.  The tournament is gonna be fun to follow!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DavidNichols on February 18, 2010, 10:50:22 PM
Tournament almost set!  Any thoughts on favorites?

#1E Louisiana College vs. #4W Texas Lutheran/Hardin Simmons
#2E Texas-Dallas vs. #3W McMurry
#1W Mary Hardin-Baylor vs. #4E East Texas Baptist
#2W Howard Payne vs. 3E Mississippi College

Tie-Breaker Possibilities:
ETBU over Tyler (ETBU beat Tyler both times during regular season)
McMurry over both HSU and TLU (beat both teams twice during regular season)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The Jinx on February 19, 2010, 02:35:19 AM
Thanks David, now I know how it works.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 19, 2010, 08:37:40 AM
Based on HSU's play (at times), the LC vs HSU game may be one of the best games.  Even though the East seems stronger this year, I believe the West has the potential to win 2 or 3 of the opening round games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 19, 2010, 09:40:32 AM
HSU does still have to beat TLU Saturday to get to LC... but thanks to McMurry beating TLU last night, they have the opportunity.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ShouldaBeenAnIndian on February 22, 2010, 09:55:48 AM
Congrats to the teams that made the tournament. I saw that HSU managed to beat TLU pretty handily so they will be making the trip to Pineville as well. I just wish the tournament was closer so that I could watch some games! I am NOT making the trip out, but I wish safe travels to all those who are! I know that it is supposed to snow in the Abilene area Tuesday, so I hope that McMurry and Hardin-Simmons are able to leave without having to deal with icy road conditions.

Best of luck, everyone!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on February 22, 2010, 10:00:00 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 19, 2010, 09:40:32 AM
HSU does still have to beat TLU Saturday to get to LC... but thanks to McMurry beating TLU last night, they have the opportunity.

That game was irrelevant to who got into the tournament.

It should be a great weekend. I don't know if there is a clear-cut favorite. I have seen all eight teams and I think all of the teams could beat any of the others. It will all be about matchups. Some teams match up better with others.  I can't remember a time that all of the teams were so relatively evenly-matched. There should be some good games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ShouldaBeenAnIndian on February 22, 2010, 10:51:34 AM
Quote from: hsusid on February 22, 2010, 10:00:00 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 19, 2010, 09:40:32 AM
HSU does still have to beat TLU Saturday to get to LC... but thanks to McMurry beating TLU last night, they have the opportunity.

That game was irrelevant to who got into the tournament.


How was it irrelevant? If TLU had won, would the records of HSU and TLU not be the same? Then since they split, the records against other division opponents in ranked order would decide the tiebreaker (If I read correctly). The way I understood it was that if TLU had won either of their games last week, they would have had a chance to go to the tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on February 22, 2010, 01:31:11 PM
Quote from: ShouldaBeenAnIndian on February 22, 2010, 10:51:34 AM
Quote from: hsusid on February 22, 2010, 10:00:00 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 19, 2010, 09:40:32 AM
HSU does still have to beat TLU Saturday to get to LC... but thanks to McMurry beating TLU last night, they have the opportunity.

That game was irrelevant to who got into the tournament.


How was it irrelevant? If TLU had won, would the records of HSU and TLU not be the same? Then since they split, the records against other division opponents in ranked order would decide the tiebreaker (If I read correctly). The way I understood it was that if TLU had won either of their games last week, they would have had a chance to go to the tournament.

The only way for TLU to get into the tournament was to beat HSU (assuming HSU and McMurry beat Schreiner). McMurry was locked in to the three seed because they would have had a three-way tiebreaker over TLU and HSU (4-0 record among tied teams).

TLU and HSU would then go back into the two-way tiebreaker system. HSU would have had the tiebreaker by virtue of its sweep of Howard Payne. Both teams lost to No. 1 UMHB and TLU lost both to No. 2 HPU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 22, 2010, 06:31:24 PM
Are you sure?  If McMurry had lost to TLU but beaten Schreiner, its final standing would have been 12-9, the same standing for TLU if it won at McM but lost to HSU.  HSU, winning twice, would have improved to 12-9.  Result: not a 2-way tiebreaker, but a 3-way.  Ralph Turner noted in his February 14 post:

In a three-way tie at 12-9, HSU loses in the first tie-breaker (Record versus McM/TLU is only 1-3.)

If I (and Ralph) understand this correctly, then, McMurry got HSU into the playoffs!  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on February 22, 2010, 10:29:27 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 22, 2010, 06:31:24 PM
Are you sure?  If McMurry had lost to TLU but beaten Schreiner, its final standing would have been 12-9, the same standing for TLU if it won at McM but lost to HSU.  HSU, winning twice, would have improved to 12-9.  Result: not a 2-way tiebreaker, but a 3-way.  Ralph Turner noted in his February 14 post:

In a three-way tie at 12-9, HSU loses in the first tie-breaker (Record versus McM/TLU is only 1-3.)

If I (and Ralph) understand this correctly, then, McMurry got HSU into the playoffs!  ;D

This is from the ASC Handbook.
9.1.2       Multiple Ties: In the event of a tie with three or more teams, the seed positions for all sports except football and tennis are determined by the following formula. When a team or teams have been seeded, the remaining teams are placed at the beginning of the appropriate formula for "Multiple Ties" or "Two-Way Ties" until all ties have been broken.

So in the case of the three way tie -- McMurry would be seeded third because they would have been 3-1 versus HSU and TLU (the other two tied teams).

Thus, the other two teams would go into the tiebreaker fro Two-Way ties which was explained earlier.

Both teams were 0-2 vs. UMHB the first place team.
HSU was 2-0 vs. HPU (the second place team) and TLU was 0-2.

None of it matters now. It will be who can be hot for three games (like HPU last year). It would not surprise me to see any of the eight teams win the tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 23, 2010, 01:53:58 PM
How disappointing.  I was savoring the irony of McMurry helping HSU get into the tournament, particularly since I think HSU has the potential to do more damage there than McM.  We've pretty much stayed at the same level all season, being upset by a lower-ranked team only once (Ozarks), but failing to beat any higher-ranked teams.  HSU, by contrast, both lost to teams that we beat, but also beat teams that we couldn't beat (like HPU).  If there are going to be any tournament upsets, I think HSU is more likely to pull them off than McM.  It will be interesting, no doubt about that.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2010, 02:05:36 PM
Thanks for the clarification, hsusid!  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 23, 2010, 02:10:22 PM
My unbiased opinion  ;D

First Round Winners:  MHB, McM, HPU & LC (HSU very well could knock off LC at home)

Secound Round :  MHB, HPU

Final:  HPU  (Four in a row!)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Twright17 on February 25, 2010, 08:41:36 AM
Im not sure who is going to win the tourny, I'm pulling for UT-D though. I think if the lady comets can pull together when times get difficult then they'll win this thing. They definitely  have the route they want to get to ship. They have to do it together on the boards!!!

I dont see MCM making it out of the first round nor do i see HSU. HPU-UMHB-UTD-LC will make the 2nd round. UT-d will have to avenge their upset last year if they want to make it ship.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 25, 2010, 11:50:27 AM
Will the games be video streamed?  If so, does anyone know the link?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ShouldaBeenAnIndian on February 25, 2010, 12:25:37 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on February 25, 2010, 11:50:27 AM
Will the games be video streamed?  If so, does anyone know the link?

According to the ASC website, you can find the games online at the following link on College TV Ticket for free. Here's the quote from the website.

The entire eight-team, single elimination event will be available for fans through free live video streaming with audio provided by College TV Ticket (collegetvticket.com).  The direct link for all seven games is here.


"College TV Ticket takes great pride in the selection by the American Southwest Conference as the web distribution network for their 2010 ASC Women's Basketball Championship Tournament," said Dennis Jacobs, president of CTVT, which is in its third season of webcasting Division III and Division II sports to alumni and parents of student-athletes.

LC will have a tournament page on www.lcwildcats.net and the conference will have a "Tournament Central" page on www.ASCsports.org where the links to video can also be accessed as well as those for live stats, box scores, game recaps, photos and updated brackets.



http://www.collegetvticket.com/schedule.php?=0&type=tournament&school=2010+ASC+Women%27s+Basketball+Championship+Tournament&activity=0&fromDate=02%2F24%2F2010&toDate=03%2F31%2F2010&action=filter
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ShouldaBeenAnIndian on February 26, 2010, 05:14:10 PM
Congrats to LIB on beating UT-Dallas! Good job McMurry!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The Jinx on February 26, 2010, 05:51:16 PM
It must have been all the Mudbugs McM ate last night. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2010, 06:09:25 PM
I believe this is the first time all season that McMurry has beaten a team with a better record than they had.  Congratulations!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 26, 2010, 08:06:55 PM
hpu 73 mc 68 final! i thought the east was better this year? just an hsu win away from another west sweep.  GO LADY JACKETS!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2010, 10:15:01 PM
ASC-East #1 LaCollege 72, ASC-West #4 HSU 69

LaCollege holds off the Cowgirls.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 27, 2010, 08:32:57 AM
The West almost pulled off the sweep.  There will be 2 really good games today. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 27, 2010, 04:53:55 PM
McM 49 UMHB 47 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 27, 2010, 05:02:37 PM
Sorry about that previous post... I guess I got carried away.   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 27, 2010, 07:47:05 PM
after reports of the HPU and LC game, I would like to take this opportunity to ask the fine people of Texas not to judge my entire state of Louisiana by the actions of a few...i am truly sorry
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2010, 09:13:03 PM
hpu didnt take care of business in the final 10 mins.  they let lc off the hook by playing sloppy.  credit lc for making the comeback but it shouldnt have happened. now just have to wait to see if we get an invite.  millie we know not all la people are bad there are idiots everywhere you go they just happened to represent lc today.  good luck mcm represent the west!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The Jinx on February 27, 2010, 11:44:18 PM
Good luck Mcmurry.  Bring it home. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on February 28, 2010, 07:23:24 AM
millie,

From were I was sitting, it was clear that there were enough idiots to go around - both teams had their fair share. The fact that the game was played at LC just allowed more of them to be locals. It was a shame to see such an exciting game sullied by the actions of a few. And there is no doubt many of the LC students showed little class in the win. To be fair, I have been to many of the Lady Wildcat games this season and this is the first time I have seen the students act in such fashion. That said, there is no excuse for being a graceless winner.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2010, 04:34:40 PM
Great game in the finals, McMurry up 56-55 with 4:49 left.

McM's Kelsey Lindemuth has been hot from the outside with 4 3FG's.

The announcers are talking about the progress of the McMurry women over the season.  I think that speaks to the strength in the West.  The West is just a battle  among 5 or 6 strong teams.

If the UOzarks program continues to develops, then that will help the East in Division play.

Lindemuth just hit 3FT's to put McM up 59-58. 2:30 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2010, 04:55:07 PM
McMurry senior Amanda Peters was fouled with 0:00.4 seconds left.

Amanda hits all three FT's to tie the game and send it to OT! 62-62.


Lindemuth hits a 3FG to put McMurry up 69-68 with a minute left.


LC 72-69.
McM misses 2 3FG's and LC gets a rebound.  McMurry fouls LC.

LC wins 73-69.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lcwildcatfan on February 28, 2010, 05:08:55 PM
LADY WILDCATS WIN CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 28, 2010, 05:10:30 PM
Wow what a game LIB. So very proud of you. Came up just a little short, but wow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 28, 2010, 05:15:38 PM
Congratulations to LC for winning the conference.  Is it accidental that to do it LC had to beat all the previous conference champions, McM, HPU, and HSU, in the tournament?  Keep it up in the post-season, and make the ASC look good.

And as for the LIB, I can only repeat fanstand's comment -- Y'all gave it everything you had, which you've done all season.  You should be proud of this game even though we lost, and we're proud of you.  Have a safe trip back to Abilene!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 28, 2010, 05:20:04 PM
McM ya'll played a great game...too bad the clock ran out when ya'll were behind...glad to see that the behavior today was better then Sat...i hope that LC will continue to represent the ASC with class.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2010, 05:30:38 PM
What I liked about the video stream is that the internet company that streamed the game used the McMurry chief avatar on the web page where the stream displayed.

:)

I won't care if CTVT never updates their files.    ;)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2010, 05:49:47 PM
This was my first chance to see H.O. West Fieldhouse.

I only count 9 rows of seats courtside and not much more than 12 rows of seats above the aisle.

I do not see seating at either end.  The Courtside seating is only about 94' (minus the footage allocated to the aisles).

If one squeezes in a person every 20", then that only allows 60 people to be squeezed into each row.

2 sides times (9 rows plus 12 rows) times 60 people per row ,

2 times 21 times 60 = 2520.

It looks to me that the capacity of HO West may be closer to 2600-2800 fans, max, instead of the stated 4500 fans.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2010, 05:55:22 PM
One other comment...

In the post-season interviews, the LC players commented about the pace that McMurry set for the game.  We were pushing them, and they said that it took them out of their game to a degree.  The announcers said that Givens played all 125 minutes of the tourney.

It reminded me of the mid-decade McMurry teams that were in such superior condition to most of the teams that they faced.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 28, 2010, 09:25:51 PM
During the LC-HPU game yesterday, one of the webcast commentators thought the reason HPU gave up so many points at the end of the game was because their key players were in foul trouble and had to go easy on their defense.  Curious, I checked the stat sheets for the final three games that gave LC the championship.  If I read the data correctly, free throws were a key factor in all three games, with LC getting double the free throw opportunities of its opponents:

HSU      LC
12         23

HPU     LC
10        18

McM     LC
14        27

The FTs were key in the LC-McM game; McM got 0 FT opportunities in the overtime game, compared to LC's 9.  This would support Ralphs' observation that LC simply wore down its opponents until they committed fouls that they would have avoided earlier in the games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2010, 09:32:27 PM
On the Hoopsville webcast this evening,  Pat Coleman thinks that HPU did not get to the table because they were behind Roanoke on the Wednesday Regional Ranking.  All of the ASC runners-up lost before the finals of the ASC which may have kept them from leapfrogging Roanoke.  Roanoke may have been one of the last Pool C teams to be selected (almost 18th or 19th).

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2010, 09:35:00 PM
One other aspect of the LaCollege game is to push the ball inside where they would draw fouls.

McMurry was hitting from the outside, where you are less likely to get the blocking foul.  Especially Kelsey Lindemuth who was hitting 3's well.

Coach Snow also said on the post-game show that the refs were going to let them play.  Coach Snow also commented on how few fouls LC received, which meant that McMurry was not in the bonus late in the game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2010, 10:06:00 PM
LaCollege only loses one senior, who is playing 20 mpg and scoring 4 ppg.

I hope that LaCollege can schedule some high profile non-conference games against in-region D-3 opponents.

My suggestions would include Christopher Newport and a Hope, a DePauw or an OAC team.

(Louisiana College is in the South Region and administrative region #3 which includes these states: VA, NC, SC, GA, FL, AL, MS, LA, AR, TN, KY, IN, MI, OH and WV.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 28, 2010, 11:27:46 PM
Congratulations to LIB for a strong season.  Coaches Snow and Rainbolt have to be proud of what this team achieved this season.  It is my observation the team improved as the season progressed.  This is certainly true this past month.  Our 1,2, and 3s show promise and LIB went deep into the bench often.  This meaningful plalying time will help the players mature.  We need to add depth at 4 and 5 for next year.  It was a good Ride!  Thanks to the coaches and players.  Alacumba!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The Jinx on March 01, 2010, 12:20:06 AM
mcmfan, regarding the foul count being 2:1.  Thats what you call "home field advantage".  But, thats why we play the game.  Good job McM.  Good luck to LC, make the ASC proud. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on March 01, 2010, 09:31:41 AM
Ralph's observation about LC's strategy is correct - they pound the ball inside.  The strength of the Lady Wildcats is in the paint. They have a junior and freshman playing at the post positions that are hard to stop inside. LC gets to the line a lot in every game. In the second half of Saturday's game McMurry scored mainly  from the outside (McMurry's great inside player #23 was in foul trouble much of the game and most of the second half) or on layups when they broke the LC press.

#20 for McMurry put on a 3-point shooting clinic in the game and #10 showed great poise under pressure by hitting 3 free-throws with .4 seconds on the clock  to send the game into OT. It was a great game and LC was very fortunate to win. McMurry played inspired b-ball throughout the tournament
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ShouldaBeenAnIndian on March 01, 2010, 10:09:37 AM
Great game LIB. You played hard and it showed.

Congratulations to the Lady Wildcats on their victory and best of luck in the tournament. Make the ASC proud!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 01, 2010, 11:15:47 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2010, 09:32:27 PM
On the Hoopsville webcast this evening,  Pat Coleman thinks that HPU did not get to the table because they were behind Roanoke on the Wednesday Regional Ranking.  All of the ASC runners-up lost before the finals of the ASC which may have kept them from leapfrogging Roanoke.  Roanoke may have been one of the last Pool C teams to be selected (almost 18th or 19th).
Wouldn't UMHB have had a better chance than HPU?  The UMHB conference record is 17-4, while HPU's is 16-5.  Or is the difference that HPU was beaten in the conference by LC rather than by McM?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2010, 11:18:11 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 01, 2010, 11:15:47 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2010, 09:32:27 PM
On the Hoopsville webcast this evening,  Pat Coleman thinks that HPU did not get to the table because they were behind Roanoke on the Wednesday Regional Ranking.  All of the ASC runners-up lost before the finals of the ASC which may have kept them from leapfrogging Roanoke.  Roanoke may have been one of the last Pool C teams to be selected (almost 18th or 19th).
Wouldn't UMHB have had a better chance than HPU?  The UMHB conference record is 17-4, while HPU's is 16-5.  Or is the difference that HPU was beaten in the conference by LC rather than by McM?
Maybe, but the question was asked about HPU.   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 01, 2010, 11:39:15 AM
Quote from: UMHBalum-n-CenLa on March 01, 2010, 09:31:41 AM
Ralph's observation about LC's strategy is correct - they pound the ball inside.  The strength of the Lady Wildcats is in the paint. They have a junior and freshman playing at the post positions that are hard to stop inside.

You're right.  Here are the free throw numbers for LC's last three conference games away from LC, so that any possible pro-LC referee bias wouldn't be a factor:

ETBU       LC     1-21-10
15           39

LeT         LC     1-23-10
15           18

UTD        LC     1-28-10
15           26
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2010, 12:47:29 PM
Women's bracket posted: http://www.d3boards.com/playoffs/wbkb-bracket2010.pdf
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lewis on March 01, 2010, 04:58:53 PM
The ASC got shafted
Sorry LC, you win one of the tougher conference in the nation and then they ship you 3/4 the distance of the US. It is just not right.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2010, 06:12:31 PM
Wow!  GFU is one of the toughest draws in the country.

I don't mean to disrespect you, LC (because you are carrying the ASC banner) but I don't think anyone in the conference has seen anyone as good as George Fox this season.

Please.  Listen to what Coach Joseph-Richard prepares for you, and execute it.  This game will be tough!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2010, 06:17:20 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2010, 05:49:47 PM
This was my first chance to see H.O. West Fieldhouse.

I only count 9 rows of seats courtside and not much more than 12 rows of seats above the aisle.

I do not see seating at either end.  The Courtside seating is only about 94' (minus the footage allocated to the aisles).

If one squeezes in a person every 20", then that only allows 60 people to be squeezed into each row.

2 sides times (9 rows plus 12 rows) times 60 people per row ,

2 times 21 times 60 = 2520.

It looks to me that the capacity of HO West may be closer to 2600-2800 fans, max, instead of the stated 4500 fans.
On the matter of the capacity of HO West, a well-respected observer of ASC basketball wrote to me off-line and thinks that 4500 would be a "SRO-squeezed them in" number for the capacity.

How many rows are there above the floor seating?  Is that the same on both sides?

Thanks   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2010, 10:46:38 PM
I wish that the conference were split in half, to give us another bid!  :(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 02, 2010, 04:21:56 PM
Quote from: lewis on March 01, 2010, 04:58:53 PM
The ASC got shafted
Sorry LC, you win one of the tougher conference in the nation and then they ship you 3/4 the distance of the US. It is just not right.
True, but think what they could have done.  They could have put LC in a sectional with two of the teams they just beat in the tournament, to give those teams a second chance to knock them out of the playoffs.  That happened to us a few years ago at McMurry.  At least the women will have a nice trip to a different part of the country at NCAA expense and get to play some new faces.  Go LC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 02, 2010, 09:02:41 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2010, 06:12:31 PM
Wow!  GFU is one of the toughest draws in the country.

I don't mean to disrespect you, LC (because you are carrying the ASC banner) but I don't think anyone in the conference has seen anyone as good as George Fox this season.

Please.  Listen to what Coach Joseph-Richard prepares for you, and execute it.  This game will be tough!

I don't know.  Cal Luthern beat George Fox and HPU beat Cal Lutheran.  Both games were played at Cal Luthern.  Maybe they have seen a team as good as GF.  Gf has the advantage due to tournament experience and getting to play at home.
      After watching GF play here in Brownwood in 2008, I have a lot of respect for their coach and program.  They lost a close game to Hope, and they showed a lot of class after the game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2010, 10:39:37 PM
Here's a little more about George Fox.

http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/10/jan28.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2010, 10:51:39 PM
I remember the game Sectional game at Luther in 2007. Puget Sound had defeated GFU 51-48 in the second round at GFU to earn the right to go to the Sweet 16.  UPS beat HPU in 47-44 and held Meia Daniels to 2 fast break points in that game.  McMurry was eliminated by UPS in 2007, 59-47 in the first round.

Those two squads (GFU and UPS from the Northwest Conference) have much in common.

They are big and tall.
They play smart, disciplined basketball.
They play excellent defense and rotate well to cover any holes that might appear.
They are well conditioned.
They have good depth from the bench.
They can hit the outside 3 or go inside.

Boxscore UPS 47 HPU 44 (http://www.loggerathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2006-07/files/ups0309.htm)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BruinFan on March 03, 2010, 12:08:48 AM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 02, 2010, 09:02:41 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2010, 06:12:31 PM
Wow!  GFU is one of the toughest draws in the country.

I don't mean to disrespect you, LC (because you are carrying the ASC banner) but I don't think anyone in the conference has seen anyone as good as George Fox this season.

Please.  Listen to what Coach Joseph-Richard prepares for you, and execute it.  This game will be tough!

I don't know.  Cal Luthern beat George Fox and HPU beat Cal Lutheran.  Both games were played at Cal Luthern.  Maybe they have seen a team as good as GF.  Gf has the advantage due to tournament experience and getting to play at home.
      After watching GF play here in Brownwood in 2008, I have a lot of respect for their coach and program.  They lost a close game to Hope, and they showed a lot of class after the game.

It would  be very tempting to let ASC fans use the George Fox loss to Cal Lutheran as a comparison game. It was very early in the season and the Bruins were still adjusting to losing last year's D3hoops.com rookie of the year and just starting to bring along Hannah Munger, 6'5" freshmen center, who has continued to get better all year. She received first team all conference honors.

I hope that Louisiana College enjoys the trip out west and I look forward to the game on Friday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2010, 10:31:21 PM
GFU 30 LC 19 at the half.

LC's Christy Pentallion is not suited up, but is in attendance at the game in street clothes.

GFU 37 LC 23 after a 7-0 run and GFU is at the line for a FT.


GFU 58, LC 30; 9 min left.
GFU 60, LC 30; 8:20 left.
GFU 63, LC 32; 6:00 left.

GFU 65, LC 49 Final
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 05, 2010, 11:04:45 PM
Arrgh.  I hope someone is reminding the LC players what they did to HPU in the second half of their tournament game last Saturday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on March 05, 2010, 11:31:28 PM
Why was Pentallion not playing?  I watched the game and the announcers said something about a suspension but didn't elaborate.  How bad could it be to not play one of your best players the first time you get to the tournament?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 06, 2010, 02:22:42 PM
This is all there is about Pantallion in the story about the game posted on the LC webpages:

More prominent was the loss of starting shooting guard Christy Pantallion, who was suspended for the game at the discretion of Coach Richard.

"It was a decision I made. It was a disciplinary thing," was all the information given by the coach about the decision to sit the second-leading scorer on the Lady Wildcats roster.

Does the ASC check players' grades before the playoffs?  As nash says, something serious must have happened to cause a decision like this.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2010, 02:26:58 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 06, 2010, 02:22:42 PM
This is all there is about Pantallion in the story about the game posted on the LC webpages:

More prominent was the loss of starting shooting guard Christy Pantallion, who was suspended for the game at the discretion of Coach Richard.

"It was a decision I made. It was a disciplinary thing," was all the information given by the coach about the decision to sit the second-leading scorer on the Lady Wildcats roster.

Does the ASC check players' grades before the playoffs?  As nash says, something serious must have happened to cause a decision like this.
Coach Joseph-Richard will take a LaCollege team back to the playoffs, soon.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 06, 2010, 04:52:21 PM
I believe it.  This is a great team and they played hard all season.  Their comeback in the tournament game with HPU was amazing, and their final game with us was a nail-biter all the way.  It's unfortunate that they couldn't play GFU at full strength.  The LC webpage story also says that Brianna Lewis was out a bunch of the game with an ankle injury.  It sounds like they gave it their best shot, but it's got to be an uphill battle when you aren't firing on all your cylinders. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BruinFan on March 06, 2010, 06:40:24 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2010, 02:26:58 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 06, 2010, 02:22:42 PM
This is all there is about Pantallion in the story about the game posted on the LC webpages:

More prominent was the loss of starting shooting guard Christy Pantallion, who was suspended for the game at the discretion of Coach Richard.

"It was a decision I made. It was a disciplinary thing," was all the information given by the coach about the decision to sit the second-leading scorer on the Lady Wildcats roster.

Does the ASC check players' grades before the playoffs?  As nash says, something serious must have happened to cause a decision like this.
Coach Joseph-Richard will take a LaCollege team back to the playoffs, soon.


Greetings to those in the ASC,
The LC Wildcats made a very positive impression in Oregon. With only 1 senior on their roster, I look forward to following them next year and would expect them to be a quality team. Williams did a great job both defensively, disrupting Munger (6'-5" center), and offensively by going right at Munger with a quick jump hook. I was also impressed with the sportsmanship of Williams, her teammates and the coaching staff.

We were treated to a dedicated and vocal fan group from Louisiana who remained positive in cheering on their team to the very end. I assume the woman leading the cheers was a mom of one of the players (she had "Givens" on the back of her shirt). She was terrific.

I wish LC safe travel and all the best next season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 06, 2010, 10:28:39 PM
Thanks for your comments, BruinFan.  Of course, we all hope if you meet up with another team from the ASC, you'll be playing it here instead of in Oregon!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 08, 2010, 10:27:28 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 06, 2010, 10:28:39 PM
Thanks for your comments, BruinFan.  Of course, we all hope if you meet up with another team from the ASC, you'll be playing it here instead of in Oregon!
That would be nice, but it will probably take an undefeated ASC team to do it, (ie. HPU in 2008).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2010, 09:42:41 PM
We're gonna miss you, Coach Cochran (http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=3778)

Best wishes in your future endeavors.
Title: 2010/2011 Title Run
Post by: UNCLE on November 10, 2010, 01:05:54 AM
Where is everyone?  I'm ready for another HPU ASC Championship run!!!
I went to Huntsville and watched the Lady Jackets play against DI Sam Houston State and they looked pretty good for most of the game.  I was very impressed with Coach Prock, who seems to have come into his own and showed a calm confidence. Impressive.  The girls need some fine tuning, but we have some athletic newbies to go with the last class from the Championship "Perfect Storm" season. 

I will miss the Ky. trip, but can't wait for things to get rollin.

GO LADY JACKETS
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 24, 2010, 12:12:42 AM
Cowgirls start with two good wins in Colorado.  Lots of people scoring is good sign.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on November 27, 2010, 09:41:28 PM
Predictions in the West:
    HSU
    UMHB
    HPU
    Concordia
    Mcm
    TLU
    SU
    SR
East:
    UTD
    Miss
    LC
    Ozarks
    UTT
    ETBU
    Let
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lcwildcatfan on December 01, 2010, 07:48:38 PM
Please keep Coach Janice Joseph-Richard's family in your prayers! She passed away not long ago with her battle with cancer! She was a very dear friend of mine! She leaves a true legacy of courage and perseverance behind! She taught me to be a believer and never give up! May God comfort her family! Love
you Coach Richard! <>< LADY WILDCCAT FOREVER!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2010, 08:04:55 PM
 :'(

I was speaking with McMurry Head Coach Veronica Snow this last weekend about the tourney last spring in Louisiana, when LC beat McMurry in a thrilling finish in the tourney.

LC then got the AQ to the NCAA's.  Coach Joseph-Richard went out a winner.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lcwildcatfan on December 01, 2010, 08:09:08 PM
She did go out in fashion with a ring. We just had the ring ceremony at our alumni game. She came for a bit to Saturday's home game. She will be greatly missed around LC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 02, 2010, 03:34:02 PM
I had the honor of interview/talking with Coach Janie Joseph-Richard on Hoopsville and came away knowing her team was better in her presence, if not everyone that came in contact with her. I was very inspired by her and what she stood for not only in fighting cancer but also someone who commanded a lot of respect in part because of her dedication to coaching and trying to improve her alma mater. My hats off to her and my deepest condolences to her family, her team, and her college.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2010, 06:06:54 PM
Tough loss to UTD today.

The Women did not give up.

They are a young team and I saw a spark from freshman guard Keisha Collins.

Freshman guard Victoria Salazar could make a good point guard.  Let's see if she can grow into the role.

I think that the East is stronger than the West.  We will have to watch what UMHB does.  We cannot let them get too far ahead in the crossover games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on December 06, 2010, 01:54:00 PM
What has happened to HPU?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2010, 02:12:41 PM
Quote from: jmnaseum on December 06, 2010, 01:54:00 PM
What has happened to HPU?
My first thought is that they have graduated all of the Hohertz' sisters.   ;)    :D

Secondly, I think that they have had the hardest conference schedule to date.  I think that they have played at least 3 of the 4 teams from the west who will make the playoffs.

The Centre win was a good win.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on December 07, 2010, 10:33:33 PM
Quote from: jmnaseum on December 06, 2010, 01:54:00 PM
What has happened to HPU?
In the game against LC, it seemed like HPU was always 1 step slower.  HPU was much improved for the MC game, but just couldn't pull it out.  MC is probably the best team in the conference.  Seems like HPU is missing an inside game.  They do have a really good JC transfer that drives to the basket on a consistant basis.  They'll turn things around.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 14, 2010, 08:17:53 PM
Congratulations Cowgirls!!!

HSU 70
McM 52

Go HSU!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2010, 10:27:54 PM
#3 CNU 67, McMurry 59 (http://www.cnusports.com/custompages/wbball/Stats/2010-2011/cnuwgm08.htm).

The game was tied at 59 with 1:59 left in the game.

The McMurry women look like a solid 3rd place team in the ASC-West. They need to gain confidence, and the younger players need to develop for me to rank them higher in the ASC-West.  Besides, the ASC-East may be stronger than the ASC-West this year.

Respectfully, CNU may not be even a Top 20 team.

I do like the fact that McMurry got good situational minutes out 12 players.  Overall, with the win over Lake Forest last night, they had a good tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2010, 03:18:38 AM
The lunar eclipse is neat.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2011, 08:32:52 PM
Best game of the season for the McMurry women.

McMurry comes from behind for 51-43 win over the Lady Choctaws.  It was a game of runs.  Mississippi College led 19-18 at the half.  McMurry put on a 17-4 run from 17 minutes to 11 minutes left in the game.  MC closed to 4 several times thereafter, but McMurry played good defense and hit the FT's at the end.  McMurry defense forced 29 turnovers.

McM had season best games from Senior Post Precious Williams (IMHO, this may be her career-best game in all aspects of the game)  and 10 points and 10 rebounds from Freshman Forward Keisha Collins.

McMurry played 8 women who got 21-29 minutes plus another player with 13 minutes.  (I like the depth on this team.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2011, 08:34:53 PM
Across town, La College 85 HSU 71.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on January 06, 2011, 09:26:37 PM
Way to go Lady Wildcats, still undefeated!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DavidNichols on January 07, 2011, 12:05:52 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2011, 08:32:52 PM
Best game of the season for the McMurry women.

McMurry comes from behind for 51-43 win over the Lady Choctaws.  It was a game of runs.  Mississippi College led 19-18 at the half.  McMurry put on a 17-4 run from 17 minutes to 11 minutes left in the game.  MC closed to 4 several times thereafter, but McMurry played good defense and hit the FT's at the end.  McMurry defense forced 29 turnovers.

McM had season best games from Senior Post Precious Williams (IMHO, this may be her career-best game in all aspects of the game)  and 10 points and 10 rebounds from Freshman Forward Keisha Collins.

McMurry played 8 women who got 21-29 minutes plus another player with 13 minutes.  (I like the depth on this team.)

McMurry played very well and did a great job of taking the Lady Choctaws out of their game.  This was only the third road game of the year for MC, and it showed.  McMurry was very physical on both ends of the floor and bumped MC off of their normal execution in the paint.  The Lady Choctaws actually held an 8-2 lead with just over 7 minutes left in the first half.  It may have been the best defensive game McMurry has played all season, but neither team executed on the offensive end. 

Just to clarify, Ralph, the score was 15-14 at the half.  And also, it would probably not be good in the future for the referees to be hugging McMurry players on the floor before the game.  That sort of thing just looks bad.

I look for LC to have no trouble playing at McMurry as the Lady Wildcats are a physical bunch, as well.  If MC could go across town and pick up a win over Hardin-Simmons, that would set up a huge matchup with LC next Tuesday.  Not quite as big with the loss to McMurry, but it will be a good game either way.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2011, 03:04:12 PM
David, thanks for the comments.

I sometimes wonder how much the Home Court Advantage is in the crossover games.  We ASC fans know that it is a good 10 hour drive from Clintion to Abilene.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2011, 04:53:40 PM
Another good game for McMurry.

They held on to defeat a solid LaCollege team (#19 in this week's d3hoops.com poll).

This has been two good back-to-back performances since the last minute (something like 1:19) loss to CNU.  The young players are learning to win and to play defense as Coach Snow likes it played.  Lots of solid depth on the team, too.

After the heart-breaking home loss to UTD, the road fiasco at UTT and then the HSU blow out, McMurry is in a three-way tie with UMHB and HSU.  HPU is at 5-4 with 2 wins over SRSU.

The West is wide open.  I think that the East also has shown that it will be an exciting race.



My bad...

HSU      6-2
UMHB    5-3
McM     5-3
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on January 08, 2011, 04:57:06 PM
LC's first loss. Thanks for the info, Ralph.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 12, 2011, 05:13:00 PM
This is way off the subject of basketball, but could someone from LC tell me how the Givens' (father or grandfather) is?  He had an episode at the game on Saturday, and we were just wondering if he is all right, it reminds me that its just a game.  We have been thinking of their family.  Yes, I'm still here and keeping up, and keeping quiet.  It's very difficult for me, (to be quiet), but I still attend games, and have brought my granddaughter.  She loves basketball by the way, better watch out, she'll be dribbling before you know it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 13, 2011, 08:46:07 PM
Thursday result: HPU 61 McM 58
McM led for 3/4 of the game, by as much as 10 for a while, but then fell apart in the last 10 minutes.  Got called for way too many fouls, so HPU basically won the game with free throws.  Neither team looked very sharp for most of the game, but HPU pulled it together at the end and McM did not.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 13, 2011, 09:06:14 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on January 13, 2011, 08:46:07 PM
Thursday result: HPU 61 McM 58
McM led for 3/4 of the game, by as much as 10 for a while, but then fell apart in the last 10 minutes.  Got called for way too many fouls, so HPU basically won the game with free throws.  Neither team looked very sharp for most of the game, but HPU pulled it together at the end and McM did not.

Mea culpa...

I got home from work, logged onto the internet and promptly saw the 10-point lead melt away.  I was tempted to sign off so as to change the karma, but didn't!

How can this team have lost to #4 CNU in the last 1:19 of their game in Hawai'i look this bad?  Is this the same team?  Is CNU that overrated?  I don't know!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2011, 03:58:10 PM
It looks like HPU swept Abilene.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on January 16, 2011, 10:01:17 AM
HPU  is playing really well at this time.  Getting better with each game.  They wore HSU down towards the end of the game, due to HPU's bench strength & defense.  Even though HPU got off to a slow start in conference, the tournament could very well be held in Brownwood this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2011, 12:51:45 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on January 16, 2011, 10:01:17 AM
HPU  is playing really well at this time.  Getting better with each game.  They wore HSU down towards the end of the game, due to HPU's bench strength & defense.  Even though HPU got off to a slow start in conference, the tournament could very well be held in Brownwood this year.
Even more impressive after a hard 40-minute effort at McMurry on Thursday night.

No let-down this week for the Lady Jackets.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: UNCLE on January 19, 2011, 01:51:54 AM
I am impressed with the HPU Lady Jackets!   Stay positive and Keep the Buzz alive!


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on January 22, 2011, 03:57:42 PM
Louisiana College Lady Wildcats defeated UT-Dallas 79-59 in Pineville. LC improves to 14-1 on the season and 10-1 in conference play. LC will host Miss. College on Monday, Jan. 24, in a rescheduled game that was canceled due to weather.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2011, 04:02:23 PM
UMHB 64 McMurry 58, but it was not that close.  UMHB held a double-digit lead in much of the second half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2011, 08:52:59 PM
In the McMurry game yesterday...

## Player Name            FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF  TP   A TO BLK S MIN
21 Andi Lukaszewski....   10-16     6-11     1-1    2  6      8  2    27  2  1    1  0  25

Andi was unreal yesterday.  She carried the team at a time when LIB needed her to be as dominant as that performance was.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2011, 09:22:37 PM
McMurry 68, HSU 66!

Go figure! 

But I will take that win every time!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:27:56 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2011, 07:51:52 PM
McMurry 63, TLU 54.  Glad to get out of Seguin with a win!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2011, 08:37:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2011, 07:51:52 PM
McMurry 63, TLU 54.  Glad to get out of Seguin with a win!
HSU Live stats with 0:08 showing on the clock...


UMHB 69, HSU 63

McMurry 82, CTX 50

HPU 80, TLU 67

Hardin-Simmons            13-5    CTX,  at SRSU,  at HPU
Howard Payne            12-6  Schreiner, McMurry, HSU   
McMurry                    12-6  UMHB  at HPU and at SRSU
Concordia (Texas)    11-7    at HSU, TLU, Schreiner
Mary Hardin-Baylor    11-7  at McMurry, Schreiner, TLU

Five teams for 4 slots.  West Champion hosts.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2011, 03:28:31 PM
The Abilene road trip is still a tough one.

UMHB beat the Cowgirls on Thursday night 69-63, but trail McMurry 55-24 with 11:15 left in the game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2011, 03:50:50 PM
HSU 63  CTX 60

McMurry 69, UMHB 39

HPU 82, Schreiner 54

Hardin-Simmons            14-5    at SRSU,  at HPU
Howard Payne            13-6                McMurry, HSU   
McMurry                    13-6                        at HPU and at SRSU
Concordia (Texas)    11-8     TLU, Schreiner
Mary Hardin-Baylor    11-8   Schreiner, TLU

Five teams for 4 slots.  West Champion hosts.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 13, 2011, 04:09:03 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2011, 03:50:50 PM
Hardin-Simmons            14-5    at SRSU,  at HPU
Howard Payne            13-6                McMurry, HSU   
McMurry                    13-6                        at HPU and at SRSU
Concordia (Texas)    11-8     TLU, Schreiner
Mary Hardin-Baylor    11-8   Schreiner, TLU

Five teams for 4 slots.  West Champion hosts.
HSU, HPU, and McM are pretty sure to get in, with HSU probably hosting unless they lose both their remaining games and HPU or McM win both.  I can't see either HSU or McM losing to both HPU and SRSU, though all things are possible.  But what about CTX and UMHB?  If they both win their last two games, since they have one game each against the other, which one would get fourth place in the tournament?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2011, 05:13:57 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 13, 2011, 04:09:03 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2011, 03:50:50 PM
Hardin-Simmons            14-5    at SRSU,  at HPU
Howard Payne            13-6                McMurry, HSU   
McMurry                    13-6                        at HPU and at SRSU
Concordia (Texas)    11-8     TLU, Schreiner
Mary Hardin-Baylor    11-8   Schreiner, TLU

Five teams for 4 slots.  West Champion hosts.
HSU, HPU, and McM are pretty sure to get in, with HSU probably hosting unless they lose both their remaining games and HPU or McM win both.  I can't see either HSU or McM losing to both HPU and SRSU, though all things are possible.  But what about CTX and UMHB?  If they both win their last two games, since they have one game each against the other, which one would get fourth place in the tournament?

Tie-breaker (http://www.ascsports.org/sports/2007/10/19/ASCTIEBREAK.aspx)

After head-to-head then it is record against the highest seeded team, #1 if tied, then #2, etc.

UMHB has a 1-1 record against HSU.  CTX is 0-2 versus HSU.   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 14, 2011, 08:09:07 PM
Here's another query.  It appears to me if HPU wins both their remaining games and HSU beats SRSU, you end up with a tie for first with HPU having the tie-breaker since they would have beaten HSU in both matchups.  But what if McM won both, and HPU beat HSU, for a McM-HSU tie for first?  Since the two teams split, who would host the tournament then?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2011, 08:13:23 PM
McMurry can host if we beat HPU and SRSU, and HPU beats HSU, assuming HSU beats SRSU.

We would tie with HSU, but have the better record against the #3 team, HPU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 14, 2011, 09:27:56 PM
Sounds like a long shot.  We just need to attend to business and make sure the tournament is somewhere in Abilene and not in the Mausoleum!  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2011, 09:36:57 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 14, 2011, 09:27:56 PM
Sounds like a long shot.  We just need to attend to business and make sure the tournament is somewhere in Abilene and not in the Mausoleum!  ;D
I am glad that you have referenced the Mausoleum.  I have tried to be on my best behavior this season.

Play 'em one game at a time.  Let's beat HPU, before 2,000 fans.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 15, 2011, 04:51:48 PM
I hope there are 2,000, but I doubt it.  Not on a Thursday.  HPU hasn't played the best ball at home this year.  Hopefully they'll improve this week.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 15, 2011, 04:56:46 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 14, 2011, 09:27:56 PM
Sounds like a long shot.  We just need to attend to business and make sure the tournament is somewhere in Abilene and not in the Mausoleum!  ;D
I know you guys like to make fun of our facility ???, but it sure is much more comfortable than setting on wooden bleachers.  It also has a nice banner hanging in it.  Something about being the undefeated National Champions in Women's DIII Basketball in 2008.   :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2011, 06:22:28 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on February 15, 2011, 04:56:46 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 14, 2011, 09:27:56 PM
Sounds like a long shot.  We just need to attend to business and make sure the tournament is somewhere in Abilene and not in the Mausoleum!  ;D
I know you guys like to make fun of our facility ???, but it sure is much more comfortable than setting on wooden bleachers.  It also has a nice banner hanging in it.  Something about being the undefeated National Champions in Women's DIII Basketball in 2008.   :D
In all fairness to the Mausoleum, which I first heard my father call it in the early 1970's when he lived in Comanche, the upgrades that you made prior to the 2007-08 season really made a difference.

I would have hated for HPU to play the Sectional at someplace like Hope that year.  The Mausoleum/Coliseum was rockin'.

I know.  I am proud to say that I was there!   :)  For the sake of the ASC that was a wonderful night!

By the way, will there be toilet paper at the Coliseum?   :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 16, 2011, 08:33:35 AM
By the way, will there be toilet paper at the Coliseum?   :D
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Excellent question about the toilet paper.  NO, there will not be any available in the "Visitors's" restroom.  BUT, there was an exellent corn crop this year, so we have a great supply of cobs. ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:36:13 PM
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 16, 2011, 03:51:34 PM
It's very possible that the only ranked Women's team from the ASC will not win the conference tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2011, 06:04:19 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on February 16, 2011, 03:51:34 PM
It's very possible that the only ranked Women's team from the ASC will not win the conference tournament.
And then we might get a Pool C bid!

I just found out that www.mcmurrysports.com will not be carrying the HPU Doubleheader.    :(

I can look forward to the dulcet tones of Dallas Huston.   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: UNCLE on February 16, 2011, 06:50:51 PM
Maybe, Dallas has been under the weather and missed a couple of games.  We wish him well and hope he is back soon.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 17, 2011, 10:13:41 AM
A nice write-up about the HPU women in today's Abilene Reporter-News:

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/feb/16/hpu-is-in-the-hunt-for-asc-west-title/
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 17, 2011, 03:57:22 PM
Quote from: UNCLE on February 16, 2011, 06:50:51 PM
Maybe, Dallas has been under the weather and missed a couple of games.  We wish him well and hope he is back soon.

I was out of town last week, so I don't know if HPU games are back on the radio or not.  I spoke with Dallas at the HSU game in Abilene.  At that time he said there was a problem with a piece of equipment, and if it wasn't fixed in 2 weeks, HPU would change radio stations.  I know the games on the 3rd and 5th were still not on the radio (only on the internet).  I hope tonight's game and Saturdays game will be back on the radio.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2011, 05:09:04 PM
When we (McMurrysports.com) have tried to broadcast from Brownwood, both volleyball and basketball over the last 4 times, we have not been able to access the network that McMurry uses. HPU does not provide internet access, and the architecture construction of the Brownwood Coliseum is not hospitable to the internet access cards that McMurrysports.com uses.

I do not know the technical details of the problems.  Brownwood is just one of the hardest places from which McMurryspots.com has tried to webcast.

I hope that something can be worked out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 17, 2011, 05:20:30 PM
Looks like the city would place a high speed wireless router withing the Coliseum for the media.  Something like that would take very little money.  They could provide the media with the access code, so others wouldn't tap into the signal.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2011, 05:52:50 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on February 17, 2011, 05:20:30 PM
Looks like the city would place a high speed wireless router withing the Coliseum for the media.  Something like that would take very little money.  They could provide the media with the access code, so others wouldn't tap into the signal.
The Mausoleum is a great place for fans and teams.  It is well known in the area and "halfway" between west Texas and the I-35 corridor.
As local school systems start webcasting their own sporting events, that might make a good drawing card for the Mausoleum when playoffs came around.   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 17, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Final from Brownwood: HPU 73, McM 55   :'(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 18, 2011, 08:37:20 AM
Does anyone know if there is an NCAA or ASC rule stating that a school band is not allowed at home conference games?  That's what we were told last night by HPU administration when asking why the HPU band never shows up for any games.  I went to the Schriener vs HPU game in Kerrville, and they had a band.  Just curious.  When I went to the HSU game in Abilene, school hadn't started back, so I didn't know if their band plays.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 18, 2011, 09:43:29 AM
There have been band members at HSU games with McMurry.  I once asked why we don't have band members at our home games, and I was told that it was up to the band people whether they wanted to play at basketball games or not.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DavidNichols on February 18, 2011, 03:11:32 PM
Tournament Scenario

East Division
1.  Louisiana College (22-1, 18-1 ASC) - Clinched #1 Seed (@ MC, 02/21)
2.  Texas-Dallas (19-5, 15-4 ASC) - Clinched #2 Seed (vs. LeTourneau, 02/19)
3.  Mississippi College (16-7, 11-7 ASC) - Clinched #3 Seed (@ ETBU, 02/19; vs. :LC, 02/21)
T-4.  Ozarks (13-11, 9-10 ASC) - Need Win over Texas-Tyler to clinch #4 Seed (vs. UTT, 02/19)
T-4.  Texas-Tyler (11-13, 9-10 ASC) - Need Win over Ozarks to clinch #4 Seed (@ Ozarks, 02/19)
6.  East Texas Baptist (8-15, 6-13 ASC) - Eliminated from ASC Tournament Contention
7.  LeTourneau (2-22, 1-18 ASC) - Eliminated from ASC Tournament Contention

West Division
1.  Hardin-Simmons (18-5, 15-5 ASC) - Clinch #1 Seed with win over Howard Payne (@ HPU, 02/19)
2.  Howard Payne (17-7, 14-6 ASC) - Clinch #2 Seed with win over Hardin-Simmons (vs. HSU, 02/19)
3.  McMurry (15-9, 13-7 ASC) - Clinch #3 Seed with win over Sul Ross State (@ SRSU, 02/19)
T-4.  Mary Hardin-Baylor (15-9, 12-8 ASC) - Clinch #4 Seed with win over Texas Lutheran (vs. TLU, 02/19)
T-4.  Concordia Texas (13-10, 12-8 ASC) - Clinch #4 Seed with win over Schreiner and UMHB loss against Texas Lutheran (vs. Schreiner, 02/19)
6.  Texas Lutheran (8-16, 7-13 ASC) - Eliminated from ASC Tournament Contention
7.  Schreiner (5-19, 3-16 ASC) - Eliminated from ASC Tournament Contention
8.  Sul Ross State (1-22, 1-18 ASC) - Eliminated from ASC Tournament Contention
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 18, 2011, 03:21:22 PM
HPU would clinch the #1 Seed with a win against HSU tomorrow, not #2.

   I'm going to go ahead and make a prediction before the brackets are final.  Don't be surprised if LC is downed by MHB in the first round.  MHB always seems to play well in the Coliseum.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DavidNichols on February 18, 2011, 04:19:27 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on February 18, 2011, 03:21:22 PM
HPU would clinch the #1 Seed with a win against HSU tomorrow, not #2.

Sorry, that's what I meant.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 18, 2011, 08:57:08 PM
What a thought -- for the next 24 hours, I'm an HSU fan!  Go Cowgirls, beat HPU and bring the tournament to Abilene!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2011, 01:16:54 AM
UOzarks hosts UT-Tyler for 4th playoff spot.

If Concordia wins at Schreiner, and UMHB loses at TLU, then CTX is in.

If UMHB and CTX tie, then UMHB has the tie-breaker because of a 1-1 record vs HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 19, 2011, 06:55:58 PM
Well I haven't posted in a while, in fact I don't believe all year long, but I guess now is as good a time as any since according to some I only write when HPU wins. 

I guess everybody's favorite nightmare, at least outside of HPU land, has happened again and the Lady Jackets will be hosting the ASC tournament once again. 

Welcome BACK to Brownwood and GO LADY JACKETS!


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2011, 06:59:15 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 19, 2011, 06:55:58 PM
Well I haven't posted in a while, in fact I don't believe all year long, but I guess now is as good a time as any since according to some I only write when HPU wins. 

I guess everybody's favorite nightmare, at least outside of HPU land, has happened again and the Lady Jackets will be hosting the ASC tournament once again. 

Welcome BACK to Brownwood and GO LADY JACKETS!

I hope that the city fathers will provide ample internet connectivity for the teams that want to broadcast the tourney games, both audio and video!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 19, 2011, 07:24:49 PM
Forget the internet -- just remember the toilet paper!  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 19, 2011, 08:06:32 PM
considering the lack of an overflow crowd this year I'm sure the TP will be in abundance :).  Hopefully the community will come out and watch the tournament because the women in this conference are playing some great basketball and the Lady Jackets are deep enough and talented enough to make a run through the conference tournament.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2011, 09:00:52 PM
At Mississippi College 86, #14 Louisiana College 84
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 23, 2011, 03:34:32 PM
The ASC website says of both the men's and women's tournament games: "The entire eight-team, single elimination event will be available for fans through free live video streaming with audio."  Is this going to be possible from the Brownwood Colosseum?  Where can one log on for access?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 04:29:24 PM
Final Regional Rankings before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lewis on February 23, 2011, 07:47:17 PM
Link to HPU's women's basketball tournament central page
http://www.hpusports.com/sports/2011/2/20/WBB_0220115401.aspx?id=41
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2011, 01:05:36 AM
You can do streaming audio on dial-up. It's been done. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 24, 2011, 04:05:17 PM
When?  In the Middle Ages?   :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2011, 04:16:31 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2011, 01:05:36 AM
You can do streaming audio on dial-up. It's been done. :)
Yes, that was the way that McMurry did it beginning in the late 1990's.

It only takes about 16-20 kilobaud.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on February 26, 2011, 03:39:34 PM
LO is not playing its best basketball of the year right now. They need to pick it up in the second half against HSU or they may be heading home. HSU took it to them pretty good in the 1st half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on February 26, 2011, 04:36:58 PM
I lost the feed so all I know is that LC came on late to defeat HSU 70-62. The Cat's need to start playing much better beginning with tomorrow's game.  Hat's off to UMHB and HSU for giving LC all it could handle.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2011, 07:08:11 PM
HPU goes on a 21-3 run in the last 6:42 of the game to win 64-54.

They face LaCollege tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on February 26, 2011, 09:53:28 PM
LC @ HPU should be a good one. Go Wildcats!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on February 27, 2011, 03:55:03 PM
HPU torched the nets in the 1st half - 9 three pointers & 8 in a row to start the game. Cats have to step it up big time in the second half.
HPU leads 40-26.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on February 27, 2011, 04:32:12 PM
I lost the feed at about 14 minutes to go in the game. I don't like to light the old cigar so early, but I'm going to congratulate HPU on a great game today. LC was colder than a cast iron commode & HPU played tough. Congrats Lady Jackets on the ASC championship & auto bid to the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 27, 2011, 05:04:00 PM
Who does these national rankings?  I notice of the two men's teams and two women's teams in the ASC that were in the last South national rankings on D3hoops, none actually won the championship.  I'd say HPU got hot in the last part of the season and nobody noticed it (except those of us who got beaten by them on our home courts).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2011, 08:28:37 PM
The Regional Rankings are done by the Criteria in the Handbook.

Handbook (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/0312ac804564e6d699f1df90a48a4ecb/DIIIWBB_Handbook_2.3.11.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=0312ac804564e6d699f1df90a48a4ecb)

Because we are so isolated as a conference, and we are so balanced in quality, we seldom are able to build the numbers that the NCAA needs.  The good thing that we have done as conference members is McMurry's game in Hawai'i against CNU and HPU's loss at the Concordia TX tourney(Props to the Lady Tornados) to Coe.  (ST Mary's MN and Colorado College were not as strong as HPU would have hoped.  LaCollege's win over Rose-Hulman did not help much either.  UMHB also played UW-Oshkosh and Macalester.  The better teams are trying hard to schedule advantageous games.)

Trinity and the non-DePauw teams in the SCAC are down, so we are not getting the synergies from that conference.




I was trying to figure where they might send HPU, if HPU and LaCollege get sent elsewhere.

I thought of being sent to Iowa where Coach Chris Kielsmeier might bring some fans.

However, he is busy this weekend.   ;)

http://www.northernsun.org/Sports/Basketball-woMens/Releases/11_03_06_NSIC_WBB_Bracket.pdf


It was an honor and a pleasure to have him around the ASC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 27, 2011, 08:37:47 PM
Quote from: Kelly Boggs on February 27, 2011, 03:55:03 PM
HPU torched the nets in the 1st half
On the 5:00 Abilene KTXS news, they said that HPU had a shooting average of 56% from the floor for the game.  That would torch just about anybody.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2011, 12:27:24 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2011, 08:28:37 PM
The Regional Rankings are done by the Criteria in the Handbook.

Handbook (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/0312ac804564e6d699f1df90a48a4ecb/DIIIWBB_Handbook_2.3.11.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=0312ac804564e6d699f1df90a48a4ecb)

Because we are so isolated as a conference, and we are so balanced in quality, we seldom are able to build the numbers that the NCAA needs.  The good thing that we have done as conference members is McMurry's game in Hawai'i against CNU and HPU's loss at the Concordia TX tourney(Props to the Lady Tornados) to Coe.  (ST Mary's MN and Colorado College were not as strong as HPU would have hoped.  LaCollege's win over Rose-Hulman did not help much either.  UMHB also played UW-Oshkosh and Macalester.  The better teams are trying hard to schedule advantageous games.)

Trinity and the non-DePauw teams in the SCAC are down, so we are not getting the synergies from that conference.




I was trying to figure where they might send HPU, if HPU and LaCollege get sent elsewhere.

I thought of being sent to Iowa where Coach Chris Kielsmeier might bring some fans.

However, he is busy this weekend.   ;)

http://www.northernsun.org/Sports/Basketball-woMens/Releases/11_03_06_NSIC_WBB_Bracket.pdf


It was an honor and a pleasure to have him around the ASC.

Hey, did I call it?  ;)

Good luck HPU and LC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 04, 2011, 04:41:04 PM
It's getting close to game time.  This is a more focused team than the one that went out in the first round two years ago.  They should play well tonight and take care of business.  Sting Em Lady Jackets!!     



Good Luck LC as well!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 04, 2011, 05:15:44 PM
If they play like they've been playing, they should have no trouble.  Maybe winning the ASC tournament two years ago took it out of them?  The final game with HSU was really intense, if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2011, 07:43:18 PM
HPU 84, L&C 66

Way to go Lady Jackets!

You get to play the winner of the Coe/MN Morris game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 04, 2011, 08:13:22 PM
What a TEAM win by the Lady Jackets today.  The bench had 32 points and played a lot of minutes as they always do.  The speed and quickness of the Lady Jackets really wore down the more hefty Lewis and Clark team and they just couldn't keep up with the pace. 

Keep it going Lady Jackets!!

Remember We > ME!!!!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2011, 12:08:37 AM
LC's Lubgood hits 2 Ft with 2.8 secs left to win.  LC 61, at Chapman 60.

They catch George Fox, winner over Occidental, in the second round game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 05, 2011, 09:28:02 PM
Well tried to rely on the 3 pointer too much and went cold.  Didn't drive to the paint to create shots like they usually do.  Hopefully they will learn from this going into the offseason.

Congrats on a great season Lady Jackets and congrats seniors.  I know the season was shorter than you wanted but you did HPU and Brownwood proud.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2011, 11:46:23 PM
LC lost to George Fox (again) 63-47 this time.

LC was up about 8 points early, but then GFU found their game, and another gear, and ran away from LC.

HPU score was 79-56, Coe.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 11, 2011, 02:05:06 PM
McMurry is the War Hawks

http://www.mcmurrysports.com/news/2011/3/11/GEN_0311111923.aspx (http://www.mcmurrysports.com/news/2011/3/11/GEN_0311111923.aspx)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 15, 2011, 04:22:18 PM
Congrats to the ASC players

Women's All-South Region Team

Player of the Year: Chelsie Schweers, Christopher Newport
Coach of the Year: Randy Tuggle, Greensboro
Rookie of the Year: Hannah Lilly, G, Emory

First team

Pos. Player School Yr. Hometown
G Maggie Prewitt Centre Jr. Mt. Sterling, Ky.
G Chelsie Schweers
Christopher Newport Sr. Chesapeake, Va.
F Jordan Burkholder Bridgewater (Va.) Sr. Bridgewater, Va.
F Tillisha Givens Louisiana College Sr. Monroe, La.
C Danielle Duncan Greensboro Jr. Greensboro, N.C.


Second team

Pos. Player School Yr. Hometown
G Hannah Lilly Emory Fr. Mercer Island, Wash.
G Nikki Wilborn Greensboro Sr. Graham, N.C.
F Sharwill Bell  Rhodes Jr. Memphis, Tenn.  
F Christina Byler Hendrix Sr. Little Rock, Ark.
C Lindsey Newcombe Hardin-Simmons Sr. Keller, Texas

Third team

Pos. Player School Yr. Hometown
G Brittany Roberson Howard Payne Jr. Lone Star, Texas
G Kate Covington LaGrange So. Savannah, Ga.
F Becky Luetjen Colorado College Jr. Lake Oswego, Ore.
F Abby Dietert Trinity (Texas) Jr. Cibolo, Texas
C Kristen Keith Ferrum Jr. Martinsville, Va.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 20, 2011, 11:50:20 PM
Conversation on the NESCAC Women's Hoops Board moved to here...

Quote from: gordonmann on March 20, 2011, 09:27:35 PM
Sure.

Totally agree on George Fox.  I was also impressed by how Howard Payne closed the season.  Is it safe to say the Yellow Jackets have crossed the threshold from star burst sensation under Coach Kielsmeier to sustained national contender?
I think so on HPU.  We are in a slight lull here in the ASC.  McMurry only trailed CNU by 1 point with 1:09 left in Hawai'i in December, but they did not have what it took to get to the next level.  I hope that Louisiana College can continue after Coach Joseph-Richard who died of breast cancer metastases this last year.

I think that HPU can get back up there, now that they have been to the Sweet 16. They may have lost some of that "corporate memory" on what it takes to win, especially after the poor showing in the NCAA 2009 playoffs against Transy after a tough run thru the ASC tourney.

Here is what Coach Kielsmeier did this year at D-II (Northern Sun Intercollegiate Conference) Wayne State (26-4).

http://www.wscwildcats.com/schedule.aspx?path=wbball&tab=basketball2
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 21, 2011, 09:30:10 AM
McMurry played a close game with Christopher Newport, yes.
Averett actually beat Christopher Newport.
That doesn't mean either is a national-level team. Things happen.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 21, 2011, 09:58:35 AM
HPU had a starting guard transfer to MHB this past year, another starter set out this year, and their number 1 guard had a season ending injury midway through the season.  They had a great season, even though they had different adversities to overcome.  Josh gets the best out of his players.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lewis on March 21, 2011, 10:54:46 AM
I would look for HPU to be even better next year. Even though this year's seniors provided great leadership, the majority of the talent was on the bench.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 21, 2011, 06:55:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 21, 2011, 09:30:10 AM
McMurry played a close game with Christopher Newport, yes.
Averett actually beat Christopher Newport.
That doesn't mean either is a national-level team. Things happen.
Thanks for the comment, Pat.

I was actually trying to figure how much farther the ASC must improve to get back to the quality that we saw in mid-decade, with HPU winning in 2008, and the strong HSU teams before that.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 22, 2011, 11:03:06 AM
     In 2008, it was unfortunate that HPU and McMurry had to play so early in the playoffs.  McMurry had the team to go deep in the playoffs.  McMurry had an excellent team, but the stars aligned that year for HPU with some really solid, talented young women, and some home games during the playoffs. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2011, 11:41:52 AM
I think that the progress and success of ASC teams in the NCAA post-season has been due to the improvement of several teams in the conference.

HSU went to the Final Four as possibly the last Pool C selected in 2006.  ETBU, McM and HPU all had quality squads.  Prior to that, I wonder if the Cowgirls of earlier years were tested often enough in conference play to develop to their full potential.

Quality programs at LaCollege, UT-D, UMHB and the improving programs elsewhere too numeous to mention have made the conference stronger.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lewis on April 22, 2011, 10:00:31 AM
Howard Payne Signs Exclusive Deal With Adidas
http://www.hpusports.com/news/2011/4/21/Gen_0421112217.aspx
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on April 22, 2011, 10:10:15 AM
Mike Cloud.  Former Mathematics major at HPU, and my student teacher in 10th grade Geometry at Brownwood HS.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lewis on May 05, 2011, 02:48:48 PM
HPU women's basketball to be honored at San Antonio Silver Stars game
http://www.hpusports.com/news/2011/5/5/WBB_0505112323.aspx
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2011, 10:52:00 PM
After a 52-41 loss to D1 Southland Conference UT-Arlington, McMurry comes back to beat LeTU 60-53 and UT-Tyler 81-55.

They are 2-0 in conference play.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on December 02, 2011, 05:42:23 AM
LC defeated HPU 104-76 in Pineville. The Lady 'Cats are 5-1 on the season, 3-0 in conference play.
http://www.thetowntalk.com/article/20111202/SPORTS/112020312/Criswell-leads-LC-s-surprising-rout-HPU (http://www.thetowntalk.com/article/20111202/SPORTS/112020312/Criswell-leads-LC-s-surprising-rout-HPU)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 02, 2011, 05:01:13 PM
LA 104 HPU 76
UTD 67 HSU 56
Does this mean that the East is finally pulling ahead of the West?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2011, 05:15:52 PM
If HSU and HPU are down this year, and we are not certain about UMHB, then we have a good chance to win the West.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 03, 2011, 03:52:06 PM
McM 53 UTD 49
Well, maybe not...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2011, 04:16:23 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on December 03, 2011, 03:52:06 PM
McM 53 UTD 49
Well, maybe not...
:)
I think that this was an excellent win.  UTD beat HSU on Thursday. HSU lost at Ozarks today.

UMHB lost today at Tyler to go 0-3.  HPU edged Mississippi College in Clinton 68-63 to go 2-2 on the season.  We are tied with CTX at 4-0 and a 2 game lead on the rest of the division.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on December 08, 2011, 05:29:46 PM
HPU started 0-4 in conference last year, got things turned around, then won the conference championship.  They have more depth this year than last.  I believe it's a matter of time that they'll get cranked up and headed for another title.  Looking forward to the games this weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 11, 2011, 08:23:18 PM
It's been a long, long time since I've been around. Below are the current per-possession standings for both divisions. Hopefully I'll be able to update them every week. They can also be found here (http://joshuaoliversports.wordpress.com/2011/12/11/point-differen...est-conference/), my blog (such as it is). I also posted the men's numbers over on that thread as well.

PPP - points per possession
Opp. PPP - opponents points per possession
Diff. - differential
Pace - possessions per game

ASC West
Team (W-L) - PPP/Opp. PPP/Diff./Pace
Concordia-Texas (4-0) - 1.00/0.71/+0.29/75.3
McMurry (5-0) - 0.96/0.77/+0.19/67.1
Howard Payne (3-2) - 1.00/0.96/+0.05/75.2
Hardin-Simmons (2-3) - 0.96/0.92/+0.04/72.1
Texas Lutheran (2-3) - 0.87/0.93/-0.07/71.2
Schreiner (1-4) - 0.80/0.93/-0.13/69.0
Mary Hardin-Baylor (0-4) - 0.71/0.88/-0.17/68.0
Sul Ross State (1-5) - 0.72/1.05/-0.34/75.0

Average - 0.88/0.91/-0.03/71.7

ASC East
Team (W-L) - PPP/Opp. PPP/Diff./Pace
Louisiana College (5-0) - 1.09/0.78/+0.31/83.8
Texas-Dallas (3-1) - 0.97/0.81/+0.17/67.3
Mississippi College (3-2) - 0.88/0.77/+0.10/70.7
Ozarks (3-3) - 0.88/0.90/-0.02/69.4
LeTourneau (2-3) - 0.81/0.88/-0.07/72.0
Texas-Tyler (2-4) - 0.88/0.96/-0.09/74.1
East Texas Baptist (2-4) - 0.85/0.97/-0.12/73.0

Average - 0.91/0.87/+0.03/73.0
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2011, 10:53:56 AM
McMurry 72, HSU 64. Nice to get that win before Christmas.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 20, 2011, 01:31:57 PM
Per-Possession standings, through games of 12/19

ASC West
Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
Concordia-Texas (6-0) - 0.97/0.72/+0.25/77.8
McMurry (6-0) - 0.98/0.80/+0.18/67.1
Howard Payne (5-2) - 1.04/0.89/+0.15/74.6
Hardin-Simmons (2-4) - 0.96/0.94/+0.01/71.3
Texas Lutheran (2-3) - 0.87/0.93/-0.07/71.2
Schreiner (1-4) - 0.80/0.93/-0.13/69.0
Mary Hardin-Baylor (0-6) - 0.71/0.93/-0.21/72.6
Sul Ross State (1-6) - 0.72/1.08/-0.36/75.1

ASC East
Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
Louisiana College (6-1) - 1.05/0.80/+0.25/86.2
Texas-Dallas (4-1) - 0.99/0.83/+0.16/67.0
Mississippi College (4-3) - 0.85/0.78/+0.07/71.1
Ozarks (3-4) - 0.88/0.92/-0.04/68.9
Texas-Tyler (3-4) - 0.86/0.92/-0.06/73.6
LeTourneau (2-5) - 0.77/0.88/-0.11/71.5
East Texas Baptist (2-4) - 0.85/0.97/-0.12/73.0
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 20, 2011, 01:48:12 PM
Projections for games from 12/20 through 12/26 (only two). The home-court adjustment from the men's projections is not present here (yet) since I don't have the data gathered to include it yet.

Schreiner 55 vs. Texas-Dallas 65 (68 possessions)
Schreiner 36 vs. Texas-Dallas 63 (61 possessions)
Texas Lutheran 58 vs. Texas-Dallas 66 (69 possessions)
Texas Lutheran 33 vs. Texas-Dallas 55 (66 possessions)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 22, 2011, 01:09:05 PM
Anybody watch the CTX - LA game?  The Tornados seem to be really hot this year.  They've always been a contender behind HPU and McM for the tournament, but is this their breakout year?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 23, 2011, 12:16:17 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on December 22, 2011, 01:09:05 PM
Anybody watch the CTX - LA game?  The Tornados seem to be really hot this year.  They've always been a contender behind HPU and McM for the tournament, but is this their breakout year?
Coach Rainbolt would love to win the conference crown!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 23, 2011, 01:37:08 PM
The per-possession standings didn't change at all with the two Texas-Dallas games this week (though UTD did very nearly overtake LC for the top spot after two dominating wins). Since there won't be any more games for a while, I thought it would be a good time to call out some of the top team performances so far. Of course, me being me, this is all in per-possession terms.

Best Offensive Performances
1.25 - Howard Payne vs. Sul Ross State, 12/17
1.22 - Louisiana College vs. Howard Payne, 12/1
1.18 - Ozarks vs. Hardin-Simmons, 12/3

Best Defensive Performances
0.50 - Texas-Dallas at Texas Lutheran, 12/22
0.58 - Mississippi College at Texas Lutheran, 11/26
0.59 - Texas-Tyler vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 12/3

Biggest Offensive Shootouts
Ozarks (1.18) vs. Hardin-Simmons (1.14), 12/3
East Texas Baptist (1.16) vs. Schreiner (0.98), 12/1
Louisiana College (1.22) vs. Howard Payne (0.89), 12/1

Biggest Defensive Struggles
Texas-Tyler (0.75) vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor (0.59), 12/3
Texas Lutheran (0.50) vs. Texas-Dallas (0.84), 12/22
Texas Lutheran (0.58) vs. Mississippi College (0.82), 11/26

Most Dominating Wins
+0.53 - Texas-Dallas (1.13) at Sul Ross State (0.60), 11/28
+0.51 - Howard Payne (1.25) vs. Sul Ross State (0.74), 12/17
+0.50 - Louisiana College (1.17) vs. Sul Ross State (0.67), 12/3

Closest Contests
+0.029 - Mary Hardin-Baylor (0.94) vs. East Texas Baptist (0.97)
+0.038 - Sul Ross State (0.98) vs. Texas-Tyler (0.94)
+0.043 - Ozarks (1.18) vs. Hardin-Simmons (1.14)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 28, 2011, 11:13:33 PM
Projections for the two games this coming weekend.

Sul Ross State 61 vs. Howard Payne 79 (75 poss.)
Sul Ross State 51 vs. Howard Payne 86 (74 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 62 vs. Schreiner 58 (69 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 63 vs. Schreiner 72 (68 poss.)

I also have all the team historical data compiled, except for 1996-97 due to lack of data. Hopefully, I'll be able to post some of it this week.

Edit: Oops, forgot to include the home-court advantage. Not that it changed much.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 04, 2012, 12:27:00 AM
With the win over Schreiner, Howard Payne took over the second spot in the West over McMurry. No other changes to the rankings.

January 5, 2012
LeTourneau 61 vs. Texas Lutheran 60 (71 poss.)
LeTourneau 62 vs. Texas Lutheran 52 (79 poss.)
Mississippi College 57 vs. McMurry 61 (69 poss.)
Mississippi College 51 vs. McMurry 50 (68 poss.)
Ozarks 64 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 58 (71 poss.)
Ozarks 73 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 63 (69 poss.)
Louisiana College 79 vs. Hardin-Simmons 69 (79 poss.)
Louisiana College 80 vs. Hardin-Simmons 68 (94 poss.)
East Texas Baptist 63 vs. Howard Payne 75 (74 poss.)
East Texas Baptist 45 vs. Howard Payne 80 (83 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 64 vs. Schreiner 61 (71 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 57 vs. Schreiner 44 (60 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 61 vs. Concordia-Texas 62 (72 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 52 vs. Concordia-Texas 47 (78 poss.)

January 7, 2012
East Texas Baptist 72 vs. Sul Ross State 62 (74 poss.)
East Texas Baptist 78 vs. Sul Ross State 51 (74 poss.)
Louisiana College 71 vs. McMurry 68 (77 poss.)
Louisiana College 81 vs. McMurry 72 (93 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 65 vs. Texas Lutheran 63 (72 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 94 vs. Texas Lutheran 56 (68 poss.)
LeTourneau 60 vs. Schreiner 59 (70 poss.)
LeTourneau 56 vs. Schreiner 48 (62 poss.)
Ozarks 59 vs. Concordia-Texas 69 (73 poss.)
Ozarks 59 vs. Concordia-Texas 74 (70 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 66 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 51 (69 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 65 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 48 (67 poss.)
Mississippi College 64 vs. Hardin-Simmons 62 (71 poss.)
Mississippi College 45 vs. Hardin-Simmons 59 (68 poss.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 04, 2012, 10:55:42 PM
Program rankings as of the 2010-11 season, regular season games only. Calculated by a weighted average of the last five seasons' per-possession differentials. Also included is my subjective estimation of the direction* the program was going before the season based on the inputs.

Howard Payne, +0.21, trending down**
Louisiana College, +0.16, trending strongly up
McMurry, +0.16, trending slightly down**
Hardin-Simmons, +0.13, trending down**
Texas-Dallas, +0.13, trending up
Mississippi College, +0.11, trending slightly up
Mary Hardin-Baylor, +0.08, trending slightly up
Texas-Tyler, +0.03, trending down
Concordia-Texas, +0.01, trending slightly up
East Texas Baptist, -0.04, trending slightly down
Ozarks, -0.09, trending slightly up
Texas Lutheran, -0.13, trending strongly up
LeTourneau, -0.21, steady
Schreiner, -0.23, trending slightly down
Sul Ross State, -0.31, trending down

* - This doesn't mean it is going to continue in that direction, even this year. It just means that over the last five years, have they gone generally up or down.
** - I want to clarify that these three teams are only trending down because they have gone from elite to merely very good. It's not as if I'm saying they're headed to Sul Ross territory or anything.

I'm sorry if I annoy anyone with my continual numbers posting. I find this way of looking at the season and the history of the ASC interesting and I hope the rest of you do too.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2012, 08:15:34 PM
MC's Sarah Workman steals the ball with 14 secs left and then hits the FG with 5 secs left to lift MC to a 51-50 win over McMurry in Mississippi.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2012, 04:31:21 PM
Not a good road trip for McMurry. They lose at LC 81-72.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 08, 2012, 12:00:13 AM
What a weekend. Howard Payne takes over the top spot in the West by a hair over CTX while McMurry stumbles a bit. Texas-Tyler improves their season differential by +0.09 on the strength of a +0.56 performance against TLU to move into fourth in the East. And I continue to wonder how on earth Sul Ross beat Texas-Tyler (I intend to look at that box score in depth once the season is over; it's gotta be the biggest upset of the year and I want to know how it happened).

ASC West
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Howard Payne (7-2) - 1.04/0.83/+0.22/75.4
2. Concordia-Texas (7-1) - 0.93/0.73/+0.20/76.9
3. McMurry (6-2) - 0.92/0.81/+0.11/70.4
4. Hardin-Simmons (3-5) - 0.91/0.90/+0.01/73.8
5. Schreiner (2-7) - 0.80/0.94/-0.14/66.2
6. Texas Lutheran (2-7) - 0.80/0.97/-0.16/70.7
7. Mary Hardin-Baylor (0-8) - 0.74/0.95/-0.21/71.4
8. Sul Ross State (1-8) - 0.71/1.09/-0.37/74.8

ASC East
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Louisiana College (8-1) - 1.00/0.78/+0.22/87.9
2. Texas-Dallas (8-1) - 0.93/0.73/+0.21/67.4
3. Mississippi College (5-4) - 0.82/0.78/+0.03/70.4
4. Texas-Tyler (4-5) - 0.92/0.90/+0.03/71.4
5. Ozarks (4-5) - 0.90/0.94/-0.04/69.0
6. LeTourneau (4-5) - 0.79/0.84/-0.05/71.3
7. East Texas Baptist (3-5) - 0.83/0.93/-0.10/74.4

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 08, 2012, 01:22:33 AM
Projections for next week, since games will start on Monday and I'm going to be out of town until probably mid-day.

January 9
Texas-Dallas 64 vs. Ozarks 55 (68 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 62 vs. Ozarks 49 (65 poss.)
LeTourneau 61 vs. Texas-Tyler 62 (71 poss.)
LeTourneau 73 vs. Texas-Tyler 70 (74 poss.)

January 10
Mary Hardin-Baylor 55 vs. Concordia-Texas 69 (74 poss.)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 51 vs. Concordia-Texas 64 (77 poss.)

January 12
East Texas Baptist 66 vs. Louisiana College 78 (81 poss.)
East Texas Baptist 73 vs. Louisiana College 106 (105 poss.)
Sul Ross State 61 vs. Hardin-Simmons 73 (74 poss.)
Sul Ross State 45 vs. Hardin-Simmons 83 (65 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 64 vs. Texas-Tyler 57 (69 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 68 vs. Texas-Tyler 59 (70 poss.)
Howard Payne 68 vs. McMurry 63 (73 poss.)
Howard Payne 67 vs. McMurry 57 (71 poss.)
Schreiner 61 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 57 (69 poss.)
Schreiner 65 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 59 (62 poss.)
Ozarks 62 vs. LeTourneau 60 (70 poss.)
Ozarks 72 vs. LeTourneau 59 (63 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 71 vs. Texas Lutheran 56 (70 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 64 vs. Texas Lutheran 59 (78 poss.)

January 14
Ozarks 64 vs. Texas-Tyler 65 (70 poss.)
Ozarks 62 vs. Texas-Tyler 57 (68 poss.)
Sul Ross State 56 vs. McMurry 72 (73 poss.)
Sul Ross State 36 vs. McMurry 80 (67 poss.)
Howard Payne 73 vs. Hardin-Simmons 64 (75 poss.)
Howard Payne 75 vs. Hardin-Simmons 69 (81 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 68 vs. Schreiner 54 (72 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 52 vs. Schreiner 41 (65 poss.)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 61 vs. Texas Lutheran 62 (71 poss.)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 70 vs. Texas Lutheran 55 (71 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 62 vs. LeTourneau 52 (69 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 59 vs. LeTourneau 52 (69 poss.)
East Texas Baptist 59 vs. Mississippi College 63 (72 poss.)
East Texas Baptist 47 vs. Mississippi College 58 (75 poss.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 15, 2012, 07:39:06 PM
Top performances of the week:

Best Offense: 1.28, Hardin-Simmons at Sul Ross State (1/12)
Best Defense: 0.53, McMurry at Sul Ross State (1/14)
Biggest Offensive Shootout: Ozarks (1.14) vs. LeTourneau (0.93), 1/12
Biggest Defensive Struggle: East Texas Baptist (0.62) vs. Mississippi College (0.77), 1/14
Most Dominating Victory: +0.65, McMurry (1.19) at Sul Ross State (0.53), 1/14
Closest Contest: +0.04, LeTourneau (0.99) vs. Texas-Tyler (0.94), 1/9
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 15, 2012, 07:59:08 PM
Halfway through, there seem to be five main contenders for the tournament title and the autobid: Howard Payne, Concordia, and McMurry from the West, and Louisiana College and Texas-Dallas from the East.

ASC West
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Howard Payne (9-2) - 1.02/0.83/+0.20/75.5
2. Concordia-Texas (10-1) - 0.90/0.72/+0.18/75.8
3. McMurry (7-3) - 0.93/0.80/+0.14/70.1
4. Hardin-Simmons (4-6) - 0.94/0.88/+0.05/73.6
5. Schreiner (3-8) - 0.81/0.93/-0.12/65.7
6. Texas Lutheran (2-9) - 0.80/0.95/-0.16/71.4
7. Mary Hardin-Baylor (1-10) - 0.77/0.93/-0.16/70.9
8. Sul Ross State (1-10) - 0.70/1.11/-0.41/73.2

ASC East
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Louisiana College (9-1) - 1.00/0.77/+0.23/89.6
2. Texas-Dallas (11-1) - 0.93/0.74/+0.19/67.5
3. Mississippi College (6-4) - 0.81/0.77/+0.05/70.9
4. Texas-Tyler (5-7) - 0.91/0.91/+0.00/71.2
5. Ozarks (6-6) - 0.91/0.93/-0.02/68.1
6. LeTourneau (5-7) - 0.81/0.87/-0.06/70.7
7. East Texas Baptist (3-7) - 0.79/0.93/-0.14/77.5

And if anyone is wondering, Centenary would be seventh in the East with a -0.09 mark in ASC play.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 18, 2012, 01:27:01 PM
Predictions for Thursday and Saturday.

January 19
Texas-Tyler 69 vs. East Texas Baptist 63 (74 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 68 vs. East Texas Baptist 60 (73 poss.)
Louisiana College 77 vs. Ozarks 66 (79 poss.)
Louisiana College 102 vs. Ozarks 62 (90 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 68 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 59 (72 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 63 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 47 (66 poss.)
Mississippi College 54 vs. Texas-Dallas 58 (69 poss.)
Mississippi College 44 vs. Texas-Dallas 42 (73 poss.)
Schreiner 67 vs. Sul Ross State 56 (69 poss.)
Schreiner 72 vs. Sul Ross State 38 (62 poss.)
McMurry 61 vs. Concordia-Texas 62 (73 poss.)
McMurry 55 vs. Concordia-Texas 39 (76 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 60 vs. Howard Payne 72 (73 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 45 vs. Howard Payne 56 (73 poss.)

January 21
LeTourneau 65 vs. East Texas Baptist 61 (74 poss.)
LeTourneau 58 vs. East Texas Baptist 53 (72 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 62 vs. Concordia-Texas 66 (75 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 53 vs. Concordia-Texas 63 (72 poss.)
Schreiner 58 vs. Howard Payne 69 (71 poss.)
Schreiner 44 vs. Howard Payne 76 (67 poss.)
Louisiana College 69 vs. Texas-Dallas 67 (79 poss.)
Louisiana College 64 vs. Texas-Dallas 54 (81 poss.)
McMurry 66 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 55 (71 poss.)
McMurry 65 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 45 (70 poss.)
Mississippi College 61 vs. Ozarks 58 (70 poss.)
Mississippi College 59 vs. Ozarks 50 (68 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 69 vs. Sul Ross State 59 (72 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 79 vs. Sul Ross State 54 (65 poss.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 20, 2012, 07:27:49 PM
McMurry's defense was smothering against CTX!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 21, 2012, 11:21:20 AM
No kidding. It was the best defensive performance of the day, and will probably be the best performance of the week. Very painful to follow online at work on Thursday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 21, 2012, 06:55:02 PM
Top Performances of the Week

Best Offense: 1.21, Texas Lutheran vs. Sul Ross State, 1/21
Best Defense: 0.52, McMurry vs. Concordia-Texas, 1/19
Most Dominating Win: +0.55, Schreiner vs. Sul Ross State, 1/19
Closest Win: +0.03, Mississippi College vs. Texas-Dallas, 1/19
Biggest Offensive Shootout: Texas Lutheran (1.21) vs. Sul Ross State (0.83), 1/21
Biggest Defensive Struggle: Mississippi College (0.60) vs. Texas-Dallas (0.57), 1/19
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 21, 2012, 08:15:02 PM
Updated Rankings

ASC West
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Howard Payne (11-2) - 1.01/0.80/+0.21/74.6
2. McMurry (9-3) - 0.91/0.76/+0.16/70.6
3. Concordia-Texas (11-2) - 0.87/0.72/+0.15/75.5
4. Hardin-Simmons (5-7) - 0.92/0.87/+0.05/72.8
5. Schreiner (4-9) - 0.82/0.92/-0.10/65.5
6. Texas Lutheran (3-10) - 0.81/0.93/-0.12/71.0
7. Mary Hardin-Baylor (1-12) - 0.76/0.93/-0.17/70.4
8. Sul Ross State (1-12) - 0.70/1.12/-0.42/71.7

ASC East
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Louisiana College (11-1) - 1.00/0.76/+0.24/88.9
2. Texas-Dallas (11-3) - 0.88/0.73/+0.15/68.9
3. Mississippi College (8-4) - 0.80/0.75/+0.05/70.9
4. Texas-Tyler (6-7) - 0.91/0.90/+0.01/71.4
5. LeTourneau (6-7) - 0.81/0.86/-0.05/70.8
6. Ozarks (6-8) - 0.87/0.94/-0.07/69.7
7. East Texas Baptist (3-9) - 0.79/0.92/-0.13/76.7

Centenary currently stands at -0.05 against ASC competition, which would be good for the 5/6 spot if they were eligible.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 23, 2012, 01:33:38 PM
Predictions for this week:

January 26
McMurry 63 vs. Schreiner 53 (68 poss.)
McMurry 65 vs. Schreiner 41 (59 poss.)
LeTourneau 56 vs. Mississippi College 58 (71 poss.)
LeTourneau 61 vs. Mississippi College 54 (77 poss.)
East Texas Baptist 64 vs. Ozarks 65 (73 poss.)
East Texas Baptist 55 vs. Ozarks 54 (74 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 68 vs. Louisiana College 75 (80 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 70 vs. Louisiana College 79 (78 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 74 vs. Sul Ross State 51 (74 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 93 vs. Sul Ross State 66 (85 poss.)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 58 vs. Howard Payne 69 (73 poss.)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 55 vs. Howard Payne 76 (78 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 68 vs. Texas Lutheran 59 (72 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 78 vs. Texas Lutheran 67 (71 poss.)

January 28
Texas-Tyler 60 vs. Mississippi College 60 (71 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 57 vs. Mississippi College 59 (65 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 64 vs. Howard Payne 64 (75 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 60 vs. Howard Payne 56 (74 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 65 vs. Schreiner 57 (69 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 54 vs. Schreiner 42 (61 poss.)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 68 vs. Sul Ross State 57 (71 poss.)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 86 vs. Sul Ross State 61 (80 poss.)
LeTourneau 64 vs. Louisiana College 73 (80 poss.)
LeTourneau 55 vs. Louisiana College 88 (89 poss.)
McMurry 66 vs. Texas Lutheran 55 (71 poss.)
McMurry 57 vs. Texas Lutheran 55 (62 poss.)
East Texas Baptist 57 vs. Texas-Dallas 65 (73 poss.)
East Texas Baptist 47 vs. Texas-Dallas 59 (69 poss.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 28, 2012, 04:07:25 PM
Concordia downs Howard Payne 60-56 in Austin. Can't wait for the rematch in Brownwood.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on January 28, 2012, 06:01:33 PM
I'm sure the Lady Jackets will be ready.  Hard to win a game with 30+ turnovers  and poor FT shooting today.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 28, 2012, 07:14:20 PM
I fully expect HPU will win in Brownwood. The teams are so close that home-court matters quite a bit. I just hope it's also a close game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 29, 2012, 09:22:57 AM
Top Performances of the Week

Best Offense: 1.10, Hardin-Simmons vs. Texas Lutheran, 1/26*
Best Defense: 0.62, Louisiana College at LeTourneau, 1/28
Most Dominating Win: +0.40, McMurry (1.10) vs. Schreiner (0.69), 1/26
Closest Win: +0.01, East Texas Baptist (0.74) vs. Ozarks (0.73), 1/26
Most Combined Offense: Hardin-Simmons (1.10) vs. Texas Lutheran (0.95), 1/26
Most Combined Defense: East Texas Baptist (0.74) vs. Ozarks (0.73), 1/26

* - Two other teams (McMurry vs. Schreiner & Concordia vs. Sul Ross State) posted 1.10 offensive ratings this week. However, when extended to three decimal places, Hardin-Simmons had the best mark by a very slight margin:

HSU - 1.103
CTX - 1.099
MCM - 1.096
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 29, 2012, 09:30:24 AM
Updated Rankings

ASC West
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Howard Payne (12-3) - 0.99/0.79/+0.20/74.8
2. McMurry (11-3) - 0.92/0.76/+0.16/69.2
3. Concordia-Texas (13-2) - 0.89/0.73/+0.16/76.0
4. Hardin-Simmons (7-7) - 0.93/0.86/+0.07/71.8
5. Texas Lutheran (3-12) - 0.83/0.94/-0.12/70.4
6. Schreiner (4-11) - 0.80/0.93/-0.13/64.8
7. Mary Hardin-Baylor (2-13) - 0.78/0.92/-0.14/71.5
8. Sul Ross State (1-14) - 0.71/1.12/-0.41/73.1

ASC East
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Louisiana College (13-1) - 1.00/0.76/+0.24/88.1
2. Texas-Dallas (12-3) - 0.88/0.73/+0.15/68.9
3. Mississippi College (9-5) - 0.80/0.76/+0.04/70.9
4. Texas-Tyler (6-9) - 0.91/0.91/+0.00/71.4
5. Ozarks (6-9) - 0.86/0.93/-0.06/70.0
6. LeTourneau (7-8) - 0.80/0.86/-0.07/72.4
7. East Texas Baptist (4-10) - 0.78/0.90/-0.12/75.9

For reference, league average offense/defense is at 0.86 currently, with the average pace at 72.6.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2012, 02:04:50 PM
ASC fans... make sure you tune into Hoopsville tonight. Louisiana College women's basketball coach Jason Tinsley will join us to talk about his team's #23 ranking and how the Wildcats are doing in their conference and region.

Show runs from 7 - 9 PM EST.

And you can follow us on multiple social media platforms:
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #hoopsville (now over 900 followers)
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Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
Ustream: www.ustream.tv/channel/hoopsville (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hoopsville)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 29, 2012, 09:16:55 PM
Projections for the week to come:

January 30
Hardin-Simmons 61 vs. McMurry 62 (70 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 59 vs. McMurry 62 (65 poss.)

February 2
Texas Lutheran 61 vs. Hardin-Simmons 66 (71 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 42 vs. Hardin-Simmons 62 (73 poss.)
Ozarks 65 vs. East Texas Baptist 61 (73 poss.)
Ozarks 75 vs. East Texas Baptist 61 (74 poss.)
Mississippi College 60 vs. LeTourneau 55 (72 poss.)
Mississippi College 52 vs. LeTourneau 49 (62 poss.)
Schreiner 53 vs. McMurry 61 (67 poss.)
Schreiner 53 vs. McMurry 61 (60 poss.)
Louisiana College 77 vs. Texas-Tyler 65 (80 poss.)
Louisiana College 90 vs. Texas-Tyler 82 (91 poss.)
Sul Ross State 55 vs. Concordia-Texas 74 (75 poss.)
Sul Ross State 52 vs. Concordia-Texas 72 (79 poss.)
Howard Payne 71 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 56 (73 poss.)
Howard Payne 77 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 57 (78 poss.)

February 4
Howard Payne 66 vs. Concordia-Texas 62 (75 poss.)
Howard Payne 79 vs. Concordia-Texas 64 (86 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 56 vs. McMurry 64 (70 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 73 vs. McMurry 58 (71 poss.)
Louisiana College 76 vs. LeTourneau 61 (80 poss.)
Louisiana College 95 vs. LeTourneau 55 (90 poss.)
Schreiner 58 vs. Hardin-Simmons 63 (68 poss.)
Schreiner 50 vs. Hardin-Simmons 66 (60 poss.)
Sul Ross State 60 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 68 (72 poss.)
Sul Ross State 57 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 75 (71 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 66 vs. East Texas Baptist 54 (72 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 84 vs. East Texas Baptist 66 (71 poss.)
Mississippi College 62 vs. Texas-Tyler 58 (71 poss.)
Mississippi College 62 vs. Texas-Tyler 49 (75 poss.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2012, 05:18:24 PM
CUAfan, what is your winning percentage on your predictions this year?

(Not posessions, but W-L?)

Thanks.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 03, 2012, 06:43:23 PM
Not a clue. I really do need to go back and see how they've done in that regard though. I have a feeling that I'm getting the winners right over 50% of the time, but that might just be personal bias.

Maybe I can start on that if I have time tonight at work, though I'm not betting on it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 04, 2012, 09:19:42 AM
I'm picking the winner correctly 84% of the time for the women's games, ignoring the ones which came out a tie in the original prediction. Not sure yet for the men's games, though I think it's going to be lower since there is more parity on that side of things.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 04, 2012, 04:39:00 PM
Argh! :-[ Our inconsistent McM men's team seems to be a bad influence on our women!  McM swept HSU this season; HSU beat TLU by twenty points two days ago, and McM allows TLU to run all over them today.  Do they all have the flu?  Or are they all getting ready for Superbowl parties tomorrow?  Obviously, this McM fan is not amused.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2012, 07:16:57 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on February 04, 2012, 09:19:42 AM
I'm picking the winner correctly 84% of the time for the women's games, ignoring the ones which came out a tie in the original prediction. Not sure yet for the men's games, though I think it's going to be lower since there is more parity on that side of things.
And how many of those 16% are in games considered as "toss-ups"?

A comparable amount of games in the 84% are "tossup", too.

Thanks.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 05, 2012, 06:01:47 PM
I did not include any games which were projected to a tie in my calculations, since there was no clear winner predicted.

That said, I did have to do that pretty quick while at work the other day, so it's possible I miscounted something. I'll try to get back to it later tonight or tomorrow after completing the data input for the weekend to double-check.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 05, 2012, 06:57:26 PM
Top Performances of the Week

Best Offense: 1.19, Texas-Dallas vs. East Texas Baptist, 2/4
Best Defense: 0.58, Hardin-Simmons at Texas Lutheran, 2/2
Biggest Win: +0.44, Louisiana College (1.05) vs. LeTourneau (0.61), 2/4
Closest Win: +0.05, McMurry (0.95) at Hardin-Simmons (0.90), 1/30
Most Combined Offense: Texas-Dallas (1.19) vs. East Texas Baptist (0.93), 2/4
Least Combined Offense: Texas Lutheran (0.58) vs. Hardin-Simmons (0.85), 2/2
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 05, 2012, 07:40:22 PM
Updated Rankings

ASC West
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Howard Payne (14-3) - 0.99/0.79/+0.20/75.6
2. Concordia-Texas (14-3) - 0.88/0.74/+0.14/76.7
3. McMurry (13-4) - 0.92/0.79/+0.13/68.5
4. Hardin-Simmons (9-8) - 0.93/0.85/+0.08/70.8
5. Texas Lutheran (4-13) - 0.82/0.93/-0.11/70.5
6. Mary Hardin-Baylor (3-14) - 0.79/0.92/-0.13/71.9
7. Schreiner (4-13) - 0.81/0.95/-0.14/64.2
8. Sul Ross State (1-16) - 0.71/1.10/-0.39/73.3

ASC East
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Louisiana College (15-1) - 1.01/0.76/+0.25/88.0
2. Texas-Dallas (13-3) - 0.90/0.74/+0.16/+0.16/69.0
3. Mississippi College (11-5) - 0.80/0.75/+0.05/70.6
4. Texas-Tyler (6-11) - 0.89/0.91/-0.02/72.7
5. Ozarks (7-9) - 0.87/0.92/-0.05/70.2
6. LeTourneau (7-10) - 0.78/0.87/-0.09/73.0
7. East Texas Baptist (4-12) - 0.79/0.93/-0.13/75.4
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 07, 2012, 10:39:27 AM
Projections for the week:

February 9
East Texas Baptist 64 vs. Texas-Tyler 66 (74 poss.)
East Texas Baptist 71 vs. Texas-Tyler 80 (72 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 59 vs. Mississippi College 53 (70 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 52 vs. Mississippi College 55 (63 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 62 vs. McMurry 59 (73 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 59 vs. McMurry 50 (73 poss.)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 60 vs. Hardin-Simmons 65 (71 poss.)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 83 vs. Hardin-Simmons 79 (74 poss.)
Ozarks 66 vs. Louisiana College 75 (79 poss.)
Ozarks 66 vs. Louisiana College 86 (90 poss.)
Sul Ross State 58 vs. Schreiner 65 (69 poss.)
Sul Ross State 53 vs. Schreiner 61 (64 poss.)
Howard Payne 71 vs. Texas Lutheran 58 (73 poss.)
Howard Payne 85 vs. Texas Lutheran 62 (75 poss.)

February 11
East Texas Baptist 63 vs. LeTourneau 62 (74 poss.)
East Texas Baptist 66 vs. LeTourneau 72 (71 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 65 vs. Hardin-Simmons 60 (74 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 70 vs. Hardin-Simmons 57 (73 poss.)
Howard Payne 69 vs. Schreiner 55 (70 poss.)
Howard Payne 51 vs. Schreiner 49 (62 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 66 vs. Louisiana College 67 (78 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 69 vs. Louisiana College 61 (84 poss.)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 57 vs. McMurry 64 (70 poss.)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 60 vs. McMurry 72 (68 poss.)
Ozarks 58 vs. Mississippi College 60 (70 poss.)
Ozarks 65 vs. Mississippi College 49 (68 poss.)
Sul Ross State 60 vs. Texas Lutheran 68 (72 poss.)
Sul Ross State 68 vs. Texas Lutheran 80 (70 poss.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 07, 2012, 11:49:35 AM
Bonus this week! Conference season-to-date rankings for Dean Oliver's Four Factors (http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/factors.html) (see link for details). For free throw rate, I also multiply the result by 100 since I think the numbers look better that way. Today, the offensive numbers. Tomorrow, defense.

Effective FG%
1. Howard Payne, 0.469
2. Mississippi College, 0.446
3. Texas-Dallas, 0.443
4. Texas Lutheran, 0.441
5. Ozarks, 0.431
6. Concordia-Texas, 0.430
7. Hardin-Simmons, 0.423
8. Louisiana College, 0.423
9. Texas-Tyler, 0.416
10. McMurry, 0.403
11. LeTourneau, 0.403
12. Sul Ross State, 0.390
13. Schreiner, 0.384
14. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 0.382
15. East Texas Baptist, 0.364

Turnover Rate
1. Louisiana College, 20.7%
2. Howard Payne, 23.6%
3. Ozarks, 24.3%
4. McMurry, 24.7%
5. Hardin-Simmons, 25.8%
6. Texas-Tyler, 26.7%
7. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 27.1%
8. Texas-Dallas, 27.7%
9. Concordia-Texas, 28.5%
10. Schreiner, 29.4%
11. East Texas Baptist, 29.8%
12. Mississippi College, 32.3%
13. Texas Lutheran, 32.4%
14. Sul Ross State, 33.6%
15. LeTourneau, 33.8%

Offensive Rebound Rate
1. McMurry, 43.4%
2. East Texas Baptist, 42.5%
3. LeTourneau, 38.1%
4. Texas-Tyler, 37.2%
5. Howard Payne, 37.1%
6. Concordia-Texas, 36.6%
7. Hardin-Simmons, 36.4%
8. Texas-Dallas, 34.5%
9. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 33.8%
10. Louisiana College, 33.6%
11. Schreiner, 33.1%
12. Texas Lutheran, 31.3%
13. Mississippi College, 29.8%
14. Sul Ross State, 28.0%
15. Ozarks, 26.3%

Free Throw Rate
1. Schreiner, 31.6
2. Hardin-Simmons, 31.4
3. LeTourneau, 27.6
4. Texas-Tyler, 27.1
5. Texas Lutheran, 26.4
6. Mississippi College, 25.1
7. Ozarks, 24.9
8. Texas-Dallas, 24.6
9. Concordia-Texas, 23.8
10. Howard Payne, 23.2
11. Sul Ross State, 21.0
12. East Texas Baptist, 20.1
13. McMurry, 18.6
14. Louisiana College, 18.3
15. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 17.0
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 08, 2012, 05:15:11 PM
As promised, the defensive numbers to go with yesterday's offensive stats. One deviation from the yesterday's link is that I calculate free throw rate differently for defense. Since the offensive goal is to get to the line and score, using FTM makes sense. However, since the defensive goal is to keep the opponent from getting to the line in the first place (and the defense has little to no control over whether or not a FT is missed), I use FTA in the calculations for defensive free throw rate.

Effective FG%
1. Texas-Dallas, 0.356
2. Concordia-Texas, 0.379
3. Mississippi College, 0.379
4. McMurry, 0.385
5. LeTourneau, 0.392
6. Howard Payne, 0.405
7. Hardin-Simmons, 0.410
8. Texas Lutheran, 0.411
9. Ozarks, 0.418
10. Texas-Tyler, 0.421
11. Louisiana College, 0.426
12. East Texas Baptist, 0.445
13. Schreiner, 0.451
14. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 0.455
15. Sul Ross State, 0.486

Turnover Rate
1. Louisiana College, 39.8%
2. Concordia-Texas, 37.3%
3. Mississippi College, 32.6%
4. Howard Payne, 31.6%
5. McMurry, 31.2%
6. Texas-Dallas, 29.5%
7. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 26.5%
8. LeTourneau, 26.0%
9. Hardin-Simmons, 24.8%
10. Schreiner, 24.5%
11. Ozarks, 23.4%
12. East Texas Baptist, 23.2%
13. Texas Lutheran, 22.9%
14. Sul Ross State, 21.7%
15. Texas-Tyler, 21.6%

Offensive Rebound Rate
1. Hardin-Simmons, 29.0%
2. East Texas Baptist, 31.6%
3. Howard Payne, 32.5%
4. McMurry, 33.3%
5. Texas-Tyler, 34.5%
6. Texas-Dallas, 34.6%
7. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 35.3%
8. LeTourneau, 35.5%
9. Schreiner, 35.6%
10. Mississippi College, 36.1%
11. Ozarks, 36.7%
12. Texas Lutheran, 37.0%
13. Louisiana College, 38.3%
14. Concordia-Texas, 39.1%
15. Sul Ross State, 47.3%

Free Throw Rate
1. East Texas Baptist, 25.8
2. Ozarks, 28.5
3. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 30.1
4. Sul Ross State, 30.4
5. Mississippi College, 30.6
6. Schreiner, 31.9
7. Howard Payne, 32.0
8. Texas-Tyler, 33.0
9. Texas Lutheran, 34.1
10. Texas-Dallas, 35.6
11. Hardin-Simmons, 37.9
12. LeTourneau, 41.8
13. McMurry, 41.9
14. Concordia-Texas, 42.0
15. Louisiana College, 49.5
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 12, 2012, 11:43:37 PM
Top Performances of the Week

Best Offense: 1.15, Texas Lutheran at Sul Ross State, 2/11
Best Defense: 0.68, Concordia-Texas vs. McMurry, 2/9
Biggest Win: +0.31, Howard Payne (1.14) vs. Texas Lutheran (0.83), 2/9
Closest Win: +0.03, Howard Payne (0.82) vs. Schreiner (0.79), 2/11
Most Combined Offense: Mary Hardin-Baylor (1.12) vs. Hardin-Simmons (1.07), 2/9
Least Combined Offense: Concordia-Texas (0.80) vs. McMurry (0.68), 2/9
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 13, 2012, 12:05:34 AM
Updated Rankings

ASC West
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Howard Payne (16-3) - 0.99/0.79/+0.20/74.8
2. Concordia-Texas (16-3) - 0.88/0.74/+0.14/76.4
3. McMurry (14-5) - 0.92/0.80/+0.12/68.7
4. Hardin-Simmons (9-10) - 0.93/0.87/+0.06/71.1
5. Texas Lutheran (5-14) - 0.84/0.94/-0.10/70.7
6. Schreiner (5-14) - 0.82/0.93/-0.12/64.1
7. Mary Hardin-Baylor (4-15) - 0.81/0.94/-0.12/71.8
8. Sul Ross State (1-18) - 0.73/1.10/-0.36/72.6

ASC East
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Louisiana College (16-2) - 0.98/0.76/+0.22/88.3
2. Texas-Dallas (14-4) - 0.89/0.75/+0.14/69.5
3. Mississippi College (12-6) - 0.80/0.77/+0.03/70.0
4. Texas-Tyler (7-11) - 0.91/0.92/-0.01/72.7
5. Ozarks (8-10) - 0.87/0.91/-0.05/71.1
6. LeTourneau (8-10) - 0.79/0.88/-0.08/72.7
7. East Texas Baptist (4-14) - 0.81/0.94/-0.13/75.0
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 13, 2012, 10:32:49 AM
Projections for the upcoming weekend + Monday

February 16
Hardin-Simmons 74 vs. Sul Ross State 57 (72 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 81 vs. Sul Ross State 53 (61 poss.)
McMurry 62 vs. Howard Payne 63 (72 poss.)
McMurry 60 vs. Howard Payne 42 (70 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 60 vs. Texas-Dallas 63 (71 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 68 vs. Texas-Dallas 54 (64 poss.)
Schreiner 60 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 58 (68 poss.) [projected SU at home by mistake]
Mary Hardin-Baylor 63 vs. Schreiner 62 (61 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 59 vs. Concordia-Texas 66 (74 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 61 vs. Concordia-Texas 76 (75 poss.)
Louisiana College 80 vs. East Texas Baptist 63 (82 poss.)
Louisiana College 105 vs. East Texas Baptist 75 (106 poss.)
LeTourneau 63 vs. Ozarks 62 (72 poss.)
LeTourneau 71 vs. Ozarks 63 (72 poss.)

February 18
Mississippi College 64 vs. East Texas Baptist 56 (72 poss.)
Mississippi College 68 vs. East Texas Baptist 58 (76 poss.)
Schreiner 56 vs. Concordia-Texas 63 (70 poss.)
Schreiner 48 vs. Concordia-Texas 60 (64 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 64 vs. Howard Payne 67 (73 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 81 vs. Howard Payne 76 (70 poss.)
LeTourneau 56 vs. Texas-Dallas 62 (71 poss.)
LeTourneau 39 vs. Texas-Dallas 52 (61 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 64 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 62 (71 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 80 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 75 (74 poss.)
McMurry 72 vs. Sul Ross State 53 (71 poss.)
McMurry 105 vs. Sul Ross State 40 (77 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 67 vs. Ozarks 63 (72 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 64 vs. Ozarks 65 (73 poss.)

February 20
Louisiana College 71 vs. Mississippi College 61 (79 poss.)
Louisiana College 102 vs. Mississippi College 75 (87 poss.)

If all those winners hold true (which is highly unlikely), then the tournament seeds would be as follows (assuming I understand the tiebreaker rules properly):
West:
1 - Howard Payne (18-3), by virtue of better record vs. McMurry (2-0 vs. 1-1 for CTX)
2 - Concordia-Texas (18-3)
3 - McMurry (15-6)
4 - Hardin-Simmons (10-11)

East:
1 - Louisiana College (18-2)
2 - Texas-Dallas (16-4)
3 - Mississippi College (13-7)
4 - LeTourneau (9-11)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 16, 2012, 08:49:44 PM
Wow, this is a pretty big upset: McM 60, HPU 42.  Unless Concordia blows their last game, they win the division.  HPU seems to have come in cold for a game they had to win.  Since McMurry was probably going to stay in 3rd place no matter what happened, the incentive to win should have all been on the Yellow Jackets.  Apparently it wasn't.  Anyone know what happened?  Someone at the game said that one of the players came in injured.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Inthepaint on February 17, 2012, 12:11:33 AM
I have not kept up with things for a few years. My, the status of teams in the ASC have sure done a 180.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 17, 2012, 09:52:34 AM
This is a weird year.  Attendance at the games seems to be down, and there are practically no postings in this discussion section except for CUAfan's game predictions.  Why?  This looks like CUA's breakout year, so I'd think there would be more excitement than when HSU or HPU were shoe-ins to win the conference.  Maybe it's because there are no clear headline players, like we've had in the past?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 17, 2012, 10:07:09 AM
I've been kind of surprised at the lack of discussion as well. A few years back when I was posting regularly, I recall there being much more activity.

As an aside, I'm going to be out of town next week once the regular season games finish, but I'm going to try to post a full projection of the tournament, plus a set of team profiles over on my blog (I'll post a link once the first ones are up, if I manage it).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 17, 2012, 12:11:07 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 16, 2012, 08:49:44 PM
  Someone at the game said that one of the players came in injured.

I know our starting senior guard didn't play in the game.  She must be the one that was hurt.

What happens if McMurry beats Sul Ross, and HSU beats HPU?  Does McM win the tie breaker with HPU since they beat HSU twice and HPU split with HSU?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 17, 2012, 04:01:05 PM
I think that is correct. Both MCM & HPU split with each other, split with CTX, then it goes to record vs. the #4 seed (HSU), which would put HPU in the #3 spot.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 18, 2012, 04:07:47 PM
HSU 81 HPU 76!  Since McM just beat Sul Ross, the tournament seedings get very interesting...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 18, 2012, 08:10:53 PM
Yeah. HPU went from 1 seed to 3 seed in one weekend. I wouldn't want to be UTD next weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 19, 2012, 04:28:08 PM
So if McMurry is the #2 seed, we play MC in the first round, which beat us in regular season; and HPU plays UTD, which beat them in the regular season.  And then, assuming McM manages to win, we get LC and HPU gets Concordia (assuming they win).  I think the tournament is going to be a real cat fight, since everyone is about evenly matched except maybe the #4 seeds (and even there I'd never trust HSU not to pull off another upset).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 20, 2012, 12:02:41 PM
HSU's problem this year was that while they were pretty good, there were three great teams in the West this year (and I don't know if even CTX thought they were going to be that good).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 20, 2012, 03:07:56 PM
CTX came our of nowhere and surprised everybody, I think.  Usually, they would be fighting UMHB for 4th place in the tournament, and usually just miss getting in by a game or so.  And now, this year, they're number 1 in the West!  The other surprise is UMHB, which wasn't even in contention this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 20, 2012, 11:41:24 PM
Top Performances of the Week

Best Offense: 1.36, McMurry vs. Sul Ross State, 2/18
Best Defense: 0.52, McMurry vs. Sul Ross State, 2/18
Biggest Win: +0.84, McMurry (1.36) vs. Sul Ross State (0.52), 2/18
Closest Win: +0.01, Ozarks (0.89) at Texas-Tyler (0.87), 2/18
Most Combined Offense: Hardin-Simmons (1.15) vs. Howard Payne (1.08), 2/18
Least Combined Offense: McMurry (0.86) vs. Howard Payne (0.60), 2/16
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 20, 2012, 11:53:47 PM
Final division standings for the season. Tournament projections to follow sometime tomorrow, and team-by-team profiles for the tournament teams sometime after that will be posted on my blog (I'll link here when they're up). Before too terribly long I'll have some player stuff ready.

ASC West
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Howard Payne* (16-5) - 0.96/0.79/+0.16/75.7
2. McMurry* (16-5) - 0.92/0.76/+0.16/70.4
3. Concordia-Texas* (18-3) - 0.87/0.73/+0.14/77.2
4. Hardin-Simmons* (11-10) - 0.94/0.86/+0.08/72.1
5. Texas Lutheran (6-15) - 0.84/0.93/-0.10/72.4
6. Mary Hardin-Baylor (5-16) - 0.81/0.93/-0.11/72.9
7. Schreiner (5-16) - 0.80/0.91/-0.11/65.7
8. Sul Ross State (1-20) - 0.71/1.10/-0.39/73.6

ASC East
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Louisiana College* (18-2) - 0.98/0.75/+0.23/90.8
2. Texas-Dallas* (15-5) - 0.87/0.75/+0.13/70.0
3. Mississippi College* (13-7) - 0.80/0.78/+0.02/72.3
4. Texas-Tyler (8-12) - 0.89/0.89/+0.00/73.8
5. Ozarks* (9-11) - 0.85/0.90/-0.04/72.6
6. LeTourneau (9-11) - 0.78/0.86/-0.08/73.8
7. East Texas Baptist (4-16) - 0.79/0.93/-0.14/77.9

* - Made ASC Tournament
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 21, 2012, 06:33:58 PM
Projections for the entire tournament. Only LC gets the benefit of home-court advantage in these projections, though they would have been favored anyway.

Quarterfinals
W1 Concordia-Texas 66 vs. E4 Ozarks 59 (75 poss.)
W1 Concordia-Texas 65 vs. E4 Ozarks 46 (75 poss.)
E2 Texas-Dallas 61 vs. W3 Howard Payne 62 (73 poss.)
E2 Texas-Dallas 56 vs. W3 Howard Payne 53 (68 poss.)
W2 McMurry 61 vs. E3 Mississippi College 56 (71 poss.)
W2 McMurry 63 vs. E3 Mississippi College 59 (68 poss.)
E1 Louisiana College 76 vs. W4 Hardin-Simmons 67 (81 poss.)
E1 Louisiana College 59 vs. W4 Hardin-Simmons 53 (72 poss.)

Semifinals
W1 Concordia-Texas 63.6 vs. W3 Howard Payne 64.4 (76 poss.)
W1 Concordia-Texas 59.5 vs. E2 Texas-Dallas 58.8 (74 poss.)
W1 Concordia-Texas 61 vs. E2 Texas-Dallas 46 (75 poss.)
E1 Louisiana College 72 vs. W2 McMurry 66 (81 poss.)
E1 Louisiana College 76 vs. W2 McMurry 54 (86 poss.)

Final
E1 Louisiana College 75 vs. W3 Howard Payne 69 (83 poss.)
E1 Louisiana College 73 vs. W1 Concordia-Texas 66 (84 poss.)
E1 Louisiana College 64 vs. W1 Concordia-Texas 73 (82 poss.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 21, 2012, 07:14:43 PM
The profiles  (http://joshuaoliversports.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/asc-womens-basketball-tournament-profiles/)are up! Feel free to comment on the blog or here.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 21, 2012, 07:19:48 PM
So you're projecting what I suspect could be true, that HPU's seeming meltdown in Abilene is just temporary and they'll bounce back to bite the competition in the tournament...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 21, 2012, 09:51:14 PM
Yeah, I think we just saw HPU at their absolute worst. That is not to take away from McMurry or Hardin-Simmons this past weekend, since they are very good teams themselves, but that was a performance more like something from TLU or UMHB.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2012, 09:55:15 PM
I believe that HPU was missing their starting point guard last weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 22, 2012, 10:19:07 AM
Being a senior, I'll bet Jasmin Thomas (starting point guard) will be back in the line up at the tournament.  She's probably the quickest player on the team.  Loosing to HSU wasn't that bad for HPU.  It put them in the opposite bracket of LC. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 22, 2012, 12:09:21 PM
Yeah, avoiding LC is definitely a good thing. I just don't understand how they can play that fast and not turn the ball over more. Maybe the Concordia men could take notes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 24, 2012, 07:52:39 PM
I guess I was wrong about HSU, since they got a good lead on UTD and then saw it disappear in the second half of the game.  Did Jasmin Thomas play?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2012, 08:34:24 PM
War Hawk Women played well down the stretch against MC.

Nice win!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 25, 2012, 08:55:59 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 24, 2012, 07:52:39 PM
I guess I was wrong about HSU, since they got a good lead on UTD and then saw it disappear in the second half of the game.  Did Jasmin Thomas play?
She played with a bandaged up hand.  No production off of the bench (8 points).  They played good the first 10 minutes, then went flat.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 25, 2012, 07:30:40 PM
That's unfortunate.  The one time you don't want a key injury is in the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2012, 07:41:15 PM
Congratulations LC on your win over McMurry today.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 26, 2012, 06:41:11 PM
Congratulations to the CTX women! From picked fourth in the West, to the top seed in the division, to a conference title and NCAA bid! Way to go 'Nados!

Top Performances of the Tournament

Best Offense: 0.93, McMurry vs. Mississippi College, 2/24
Best Defense: 0.61, Concordia-Texas vs. Texas-Dallas, 2/25
Biggest Win: +0.26, Louisiana College (0.89) vs. McMurry (0.63), 2/25
Closest Win: +0.04, Texas-Dallas (0.82) vs. Howard Payne (0.78), 2/24
Most Offense: McMurry (0.93) vs. Mississippi College (0.87), 2/24
Least Offense: Concordia-Texas (0.81) vs. Texas-Dallas (0.61), 2/25
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2012, 06:59:09 PM
Congratulations Coach Rainbolt and your ladies on your first conference championship!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2012, 08:38:44 PM
So with Concordia's upset victory today, does Louisiana College still get a bid?  I'm thinking the NCAA was looking to give us only one team in the post season, so if LC makes it, too, then what other team would get pushed out?  I guess we find out tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2012, 08:40:45 PM
I think that LC gets a Pool C bid.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 26, 2012, 11:51:34 PM
LC had better get a Pool C bid. They were the most dominant ASC team this year by a wide margin (0.07 points per possession), and had one bad offensive game against an elite defensive team in CTX. Plus, weren't they ranked for a large part of the year? Not that the polls matter for seeding, but it indicates that the prevailing notion has been that LC was a top 25 team.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 27, 2012, 09:56:13 AM
Watch out what you wish for — the NCAA could put you playing against them again in the first or second round of the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2012, 09:58:16 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 27, 2012, 09:56:13 AM
Watch out what you wish for — the NCAA could put you playing against them again in the first or second round of the playoffs.
LC is a perfect team to ship to George Fox, who is also a travel orphan.

I will not be surprised if we get a LC vs. GFU and CTX vs. Cal Lutheran "Mini-bracket of Death".
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 27, 2012, 11:15:00 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 27, 2012, 09:56:13 AM
Watch out what you wish for — the NCAA could put you playing against them again in the first or second round of the playoffs.

Then we'll just have to beat 'em again! :P

Though the projected bracket has LC going north to Chicago and CTX going west to George Fox.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on February 27, 2012, 04:37:41 PM
My thoughts on LC's performance during the ASC tournament. The Wildcats had what was perhaps the three worst performances of the year. Not to take anything away from the opposition, they all played well, but the Cats shot the ball horribly and made too many uncharacteristic turnovers. Against HSU on Friday night, LC had its lowest point total of the entire season. Against McM on Saturday the Cats turned the ball over 28 times - most were unforced errors. Again on Sunday, LC was misfiring and had a dismal shooting percentage. I don't think they shot 30% from the field in Friday or Sunday's games. If they did, it was in the very low 30s.

It seemed as if LC's freshmen were a little tight. The Cats play 7 freshmen in Tinsley's 10 player rotation. I hope the young ladies got the butterflies out of their system and will relax and simply play the run-and-gun, helter-skelter style of ball that resulted in a stellar season. If they do, they can make some noise in the tourney.

Looking ahead to next season - though this one is not yet over - LC should have 12 freshmen coming back - the 7 in the rotation are sure to come back -  along with 2 sophomores and 2 juniors. The Lady Cats only lose 2 seniors off this team. I think the future of LC women's basketball is very bright.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 01, 2012, 01:32:32 PM
First blog post (http://joshuaoliversports.wordpress.com/2012/03/01/asc-men/) on ASC individual stats is up!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 02, 2012, 10:52:56 PM
Arrgh... The ASC got four teams into the playoffs, and it looks like all four of them got knocked out in the first round.  This isn't going to help us look like a strong conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2012, 12:22:02 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 02, 2012, 10:52:56 PM
Arrgh... The ASC got four teams into the playoffs, and it looks like all four of them got knocked out in the first round.  This isn't going to help us look like a strong conference.
CTX did not surprise me, but LC needed to win on the road at Thomas More.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 03, 2012, 09:54:27 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 02, 2012, 10:52:56 PM
Arrgh... The ASC got four teams into the playoffs, and it looks like all four of them got knocked out in the first round.  This isn't going to help us look like a strong conference.

LC only lost by 3 and UMHB by 2, so those games could easily have gone the other way. As I understand it, McMurry was close to Whitworth through most of the game which bodes well for them. Only CTX didn't really perform well, and I'll admit they weren't the strongest possible team. Could the ASC have done better? Yes, but we hardly embarrassed ourselves.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 03, 2012, 11:00:56 PM
They may have performed well but a loss is still a loss; people usually just look at the win/loss column and don't bother to check the point spread.  Incidentally, what happened to LC in their game with Thomas More?  I tried to follow the in-game stats and with 15 seconds to go, they were ahead by one.  It was a timeout.  Then, they turned over the ball and then fouled and then it was over and they had lost.  Did they inbound the ball after the time out and have it intercepted by a TM player?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 05, 2012, 12:05:15 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 03, 2012, 11:00:56 PM
They may have performed well but a loss is still a loss; people usually just look at the win/loss column and don't bother to check the point spread.

If I may speak frankly, if all someone looks at is W/L and doesn't even look at margin of victory, much less the rest of the box score, then I do not care about that person's opinion. The point of the game is to win of course, but if one wants to know how well a team played then one has to look at more than just W/L.

Which is why I look at the numbers I do.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 05, 2012, 11:05:09 AM
How each team's per-possession performance ranks all-time for that particular school:

Concordia-Texas: +0.14, 1st
East Texas Baptist: -0.14, 13th
Hardin-Simmons: +0.08, 14th
Howard Payne: +0.16, 7th
LeTourneau: -0.08, 5th
Louisiana College: +0.23, 2nd
Mary Hardin-Baylor: -0.11, 14th
McMurry: +0.16, 7th
Mississippi College: +0.02, 14th
Ozarks: -0.04, 7th
Schreiner: -0.11, 1st
Sul Ross State: -0.39, 14th
Texas Lutheran: -0.10, 7th
Texas-Dallas: +0.13, 3rd
Texas-Tyler: +0.00, 7th
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 05, 2012, 04:14:45 PM
I didn't say it was fair, just that I suspect most people don't bother to look beyond the win/loss record, so that the more wins we could get against non-conference teams, the better.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2012, 02:32:27 PM
To chronicle how far the ASC seems to have fallen,

CTX lost to NWC's Lewis and Clark by 18. L&C lost to NWC rival George Fox by 2, a parity of sorts.

LC lost at Thomas More by 3 in the first round, which lost to IWU ( a Final Four team) by 27 on the next night.

Remember the strong HPU, HSU and McMurry teams of the previous decade?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 11, 2012, 05:23:19 PM
The 2011 edition of Louisiana College was the 16th-best ASC squad all-time at +0.23 points per possession. 2011 CTX was only 44th at +0.14. The power teams from earlier years were peaking in the +0.30 range or even higher (undefeated & national champ 2007 HPU posted an absurd +0.44 margin). The difference may just be due to increased parity as CTX and other schools improve, or maybe ASC teams just aren't getting the talent anymore.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 11, 2012, 09:28:40 PM
New blog post (http://joshuaoliversports.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/asc-scorers-2011/), this time on individual scorers.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 12, 2012, 12:24:23 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on March 11, 2012, 05:23:19 PM
The difference may just be due to increased parity as CTX and other schools improve, or maybe ASC teams just aren't getting the talent anymore.

     Just my opinion, but the HPU team that won the 2008 DIII championship would have beaten any of the top teams in the conference this year by 20+ points.  The combination of Meia Daniel, Kim Hoffman, Stacy Blalock, etc. was dominating inside and outside.  The McMurry team that year would have done the same.  I do believe overall there is more parity now in the conference.  Those 2 teams were just exceptional.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 12, 2012, 12:29:45 PM
     For those of you that remember Coach Chris Kielsmeier who coached the 2007-2008 HPU women's national championship team, he is now at Wayne State College in Wayne, NE.  His DII team is currently ranked #1 in the nation, and if his team wins tonight, they will be traveling to San Antonio next week for the Quarter, Semi and Finals for  DII.  His team's current record is 31-2. 

http://www.wscwildcats.com/index.aspx?tab=_basketball&path=wbball

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 13, 2012, 12:13:17 PM
Sounds like the guy can coach basketball a little. :P

Maybe he should come coach the Texas women next year. He couldn't do any worse than Goestenkors. Not that I foresee UT ever going into the D2 ranks for a coach.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 13, 2012, 04:04:10 PM
    He moved to Nebraska to be closer to home (Iowa).  I'm sure if there's a D1 opening in the midwest, his name will be on the list.

They won last night (32-2).  They'll be playing in San Antonio next week.  It would be something special to win a national championship in different divisions.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 14, 2012, 12:11:29 AM
Maybe he'll replace Doc Sadler with the Nebraska men? I kid.

And yes, that would definitely be something special.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 15, 2012, 08:58:59 PM
UMHB picked up good head basketball coach for their women's program.  Lisa Curliss-Taylor.  She re-built ETBU just a few years ago, then got a job at Univ. Missouri St Louis (D2).  I'm sure she'll get MHMB turned around and competing for the East soon.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 16, 2012, 12:30:51 AM
http://www.umsltritons.com/womens-sports/overview/11/1964

She was 42-96 in 5 seasons.  I agree. I think that she will do very well.  I would venture that UMHB is a better job than UM St Louis.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 16, 2012, 08:35:00 AM
I agree.  Just because it was a larger program, doesn't mean there was more support from administration and fans. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 18, 2012, 07:24:40 PM
New blog post (http://joshuaoliversports.wordpress.com/2012/03/18/crashing-the-glass/) with the offensive and defensive rebounding leaders from this season. Here, I am going to average out the separate offensive and defensive rates to give an overall rebounding rate (though personally I prefer to keep them separate).

Overall Rebounding
Name, TM - %MIN/REB%
1. Holly Phelps, ETBU - 66.1%/19.1%
2. Angela Newcombe, HSU - 91.5%/18.2%
3. Olivia Swarner, SU - 70.6%/17.0%
4. Sharday Cotton, LETU - 53.5%/16.7%
5. Afritina Anderson, UTT - 42.0%/15.7%
6. DeShante Thomas, LETU - 56.9%/15.6%
7. Roshonda Gayden, HPU - 56.8%/15.1%
8. Rebecca Valdez, TLU - 51.5%/14.8%
9. Erika Brown, ETBU - 63.3%/14.6%
10. M.J. Vickers, MCM - 65.6%/14.0%
11. Celeste Belizario, MCM - 52.0%/13.5%
12. Brittany Houston, UTD - 60.9%/13.5%
13. Ashley George, UTD - 43.1%/13.3%
14. Shamika Singleton, CTX - 60.7%/13.3%
15. Shamiya Domino, UTT - 65.4%/13.3%
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2012, 11:19:47 PM
Congratulations Baylor.  That has to qualify as a monkey stomp of theological proportions...

I'll bet the streets of Waco are exuberant!  The Dr Pepper must be flowing!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kate on April 04, 2012, 04:44:02 PM
Great post, Ralph!  :D  The game last night, if anyone was a Baylor fan, which i am, was wonderful!  Notre Dame's shots were not finding that basket, thanks mostly to the suffocating defense of the Lady Bears!   :D   Congratulations to Baylor's team & coaches!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2012, 07:13:11 PM
Quote from: kate on April 04, 2012, 04:44:02 PM
Great post, Ralph!  :D  The game last night, if anyone was a Baylor fan, which i am, was wonderful!  Notre Dame's shots were not finding that basket, thanks mostly to the suffocating defense of the Lady Bears!   :D   Congratulations to Baylor's team & coaches!!!
The good ol' boys at Louisiana Tech must be kicking themselves.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 05, 2012, 03:55:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2012, 07:13:11 PM
Quote from: kate on April 04, 2012, 04:44:02 PM
Great post, Ralph!  :D  The game last night, if anyone was a Baylor fan, which i am, was wonderful!  Notre Dame's shots were not finding that basket, thanks mostly to the suffocating defense of the Lady Bears!   :D   Congratulations to Baylor's team & coaches!!!
The good ol' boys at Louisiana Tech must be kicking themselves.

Ralph, can you explain the final sentence above?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 05, 2012, 03:57:24 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2012, 11:19:47 PM
I'll bet the streets of Waco are exuberant!  The Dr Pepper must be flowing!

What are the chances some of the 10-2-4 had "additives" for extra horsepower?   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 06, 2012, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on April 05, 2012, 03:55:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2012, 07:13:11 PM
Quote from: kate on April 04, 2012, 04:44:02 PM
Great post, Ralph!  :D  The game last night, if anyone was a Baylor fan, which i am, was wonderful!  Notre Dame's shots were not finding that basket, thanks mostly to the suffocating defense of the Lady Bears!   :D   Congratulations to Baylor's team & coaches!!!
The good ol' boys at Louisiana Tech must be kicking themselves.

Ralph, can you explain the final sentence above?
LaTech's Leon Barmore let a protege get away.  He stayed in the saddle too long.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Mulkey
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 09, 2012, 09:47:06 PM
To finally finish reporting the men's and women's individual numbers for 2011-12, I give you the steal and block rate leaders on my blog (http://joshuaoliversports.wordpress.com/2012/04/09/120/). Now, if I could just get around to starting on detailed historical numbers...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2013, 07:17:50 PM
Congratulations to UT-Dallas on their championship in the conference tourney.

I think that we may see a pod of Trinity TX (hosting) plus LaCollege and maybe HPU as Pool C bids.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2013, 11:34:15 PM
Wash U St L 45  UTD 40.  The biggest lead by WU was 5 points, the final time on 2Ft's with 0:23 left.  The biggest lead by UTD was 6 points.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 02, 2013, 01:05:04 AM
Two great games in Memphis tonight.  While the 2 ASC teams came out on the short end, both Louisiana College and Texas-Dallas represented the conference well. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 02, 2013, 06:02:56 AM
Both teams lost in the first round that's all that matters.  That makes our conference look worse so now we have to work even harder to get more respect around the nation.  Thanks for wasting your opportunity UTD and LC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 16, 2013, 04:03:12 PM
We've released our list of All-Americans. Congratulations to Natosha Gottlieb.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2013/03/womens-all-americans
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2014, 12:06:53 AM
UT-Tyler is the first ASC team top make the Sweet 16 since the National Champion HPU team of 2008!  Congratulations.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 08, 2014, 04:51:58 PM
Looks like we've had enough of D-II at McMurry, so we're creeping back to the ASC.  Hope everyone was enjoying themselves while we were gone!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2015, 09:18:53 PM
All ASC second round game.

UT-Dallas and UT-Tyler.  They blow out their first round opponents!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2015, 05:44:22 PM
YAY, Brittany!

Welcome back!

[McMurry grad Brittany]
Densman-Roes Returns to Guide McMurry Women's Basketball                                                                                                         

ABILENE, Texas – McMurry University Athletics has looked to one of its own to become its next head women's basketball coach, as Director of Athletics Sam Ferguson introduced Brittany Densman-Roes to guide the War Hawks' program.

"We were blessed to have some very talented coaches interested in our position," Ferguson said. "But Brittany brought that something 'special' to the table; she had that familiarity with our university and is steeped in the heritage of the program's best years. She truly bleeds McMurry Maroon and is a proven winner. ...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2015, 05:45:08 PM
I am so happy with this hire!  What a class individual!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 15, 2015, 05:47:49 PM
The basketball season has started for most. Quirky schedules means some have not hit the hardwood as of yet. Tonight, Dave will talk to some who have started, some who have not, and some who are still getting used to new coaches.

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Guests tonight include:
- Matt Logie, #3 Whitworth men
- Joe Riverso, Augsburg women
- Rich Micallef, Brooklyn men
- Kenrda Hassell, #21 Texas-Tyler women
- Ryan Whitnable, Great Lakes Region Reporter

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Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2016, 06:30:30 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2015, 05:44:22 PM
YAY, Brittany!

Welcome back!

[McMurry grad Brittany]
Densman-Roes Returns to Guide McMurry Women's Basketball                                                                                                         

ABILENE, Texas – McMurry University Athletics has looked to one of its own to become its next head women's basketball coach, as Director of Athletics Sam Ferguson introduced Brittany Densman-Roes to guide the War Hawks' program.

"We were blessed to have some very talented coaches interested in our position," Ferguson said. "But Brittany brought that something 'special' to the table; she had that familiarity with our university and is steeped in the heritage of the program's best years. She truly bleeds McMurry Maroon and is a proven winner. ...
Her 1st big win!

McMurry 59 #24 UT-Dallas 57
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:58:19 PM
For the third consecutive year, Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air for 12 hours as the regular season enters the final four weeks. Dave McHugh will chat with coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and others involved in Division III basketball from around the country. Other guests will include those who have Division III roots or appreciate the division and the game along with the student-athletes who play the sport.

Hoopsville will air from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. (and maybe later) on Thursday, February 4 live from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can see what guests are scheduled, get more information, and watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb4

You can also read the press release about the show: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/hoopsville-marathon-2016

Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:


   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
TimeGuestSchool
10:15amConnie TilleySt. Norbert (WBB) - WBCA Center Court
10:40amJamie PurdyPeidmont (WBB)
11:00amKeri CarolloUW-Whitewater (WBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
11:20amBrent PollariSaint Mary's (Minn.) (WBB)
11:40amKent MadsenNo. 21 Wheaton (Ill.) (WBB)
12:00pmRussell LoydRose-Hulman (MBB)
12:20pmKevin BroderickNazareth (MBB)
12:40pmJustin ScottArcadia (MBB)
1:00pmSam HargravesNo. 12 Alma (MBB)
1:20pmLenny ReichMount Union (SID)
1:40pmMaureen WebsterClarkson (WBB)
2:00pmBetsy WitmanYork (Pa.) (WBB)
2:20pmSara LeeDenison (WBB)
2:40pmKlay KneuppelWisconsin Lutheran (MBB)
3:00pmBrian Van HaaftenBuena Vista (MBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
3:30pmSydney MossNo. 1 Thomas More (WBB)
3:45pmAaron RousellBucknell (WBB) - former Chicago coach
4:00pmTim ShanahanStaten Island (WBB)
4:20Pat CunninghamTrinity (Texas) (MBB) - NABC Coach's Corner
4:50pmBubba SmithSewanee (MBB)
5:15pmBen StrongFormer Guilford All-American
5:30pmKevin ConnorsESPN SportsCenter Anchor - Ithaca alumnus
6:00pmKristen DowlingClaremont-Mudd-Scripps (WBB)
6:20pmAllison ColemanSage (WBB)
6:40pmLandry KosmalskiSwarthmore (MBB)
7:00pmDave NilandNo. 23 Penn State-Behrend (MBB)
7:20pmAaron GallettaLasell (MBB)
7:40pmJohn BaronGwynedd-Mercy (MBB)
8:00pm
8:20pm
8:40pmMelissa HodgdonWheaton (Mass.) (WBB)
9:00pmG.P. GromackiNo. 2 Amherst (WBB)
9:20pmJames Wagner
9:40pmHAPPY HOURFree-for-all of calls, tweets, and fun!

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Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2016, 02:38:18 PM
Alright, folks -- the NCAA's first women's basketball regional rankings are posted. Check out the full list from D3hoops.com:
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2016, 08:50:24 PM
UT-Tyler..
Ahh remembrances of UT-Tyler Coach Kendra Anderson Hassell and the Coach Julie Goodenough days at HSU!

Congratulations Kendra on the job you are doing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2016, 10:45:58 PM
UT-Tyler hosts HPU in the ASC final tomorrow.

Perhaps the first ASC National Champion against which program I think will be the next team to win a Natioal Championship from the ASC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2016, 10:17:42 PM
UT-Tyler 83, UC Santa Cruz Banana Slugs 64 in round 1 of the women's tourney
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2016, 11:18:46 PM
UT-Tyler 80, CMS 58. On to the Sweet 16.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 10, 2016, 06:23:36 PM
It is hard work just to get into the NCAA tournament in the first place. It is even harder to get out of the second two rounds. But which eight teams of the 32 left can get the job done and march on to the championship weekends?

Thursday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh chats with some of those who have already surprised and those who hope to keep their tournament dreams reality.

Hoopsville hits the air at 7pm ET. You can watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/mar10

Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Ryan Cain, Keene State men's coach
- Jim Scheible, No. 16 Rochester women's coach
- Kendra Hassel, No. 6 UT-Tyler women's coach
- Jason Zimmerman, Emory men's coach (NABC Coach's Corner)
- Dave Hixon, No. 15 Amherst men's coach
- Steve Moore, Wooster men's coach

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Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2016, 08:41:19 PM
UTT beats GFU in OT to move to the Elite 8.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 11, 2016, 11:15:50 PM
Congratulations UTT!  Great win -- now do it agin for all of us in the ASC!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2016, 09:42:48 PM
Wartburg 80, UTTyler 74 in the Elite 8 game.  Thanks for representing the ASC so well.

That was quality basketball!  It was a fun game to watch.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 12, 2016, 10:06:37 PM
It was fun to listen to the announcers trying to figure out how a team from Texas got to the elite eight.  Even though you lost, you gave the ASC some serious exposure to the rest of the country.  Congratulations on a great run!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2016, 10:53:36 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 12, 2016, 10:06:37 PM
It was fun to listen to the announcers trying to figure out how a team from Texas got to the elite eight.  Even though you lost, you gave the ASC some serious exposure to the rest of the country.  Congratulations on a great run!
Wartburg is 3 hours from St Paul. They made comments about the UTT fans making some noise in the 4th quarter.

I wonder what the fan distribution was,  200 for Wartburg 50 for UTT?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2016, 11:05:12 PM
I like what you are doing with the McMurry Women, Coach Densman-Roes.  I believe in you and your program.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2017, 08:34:35 AM
McMurry 76, at UMHB 73.
Nice win for the young team, on the road.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kr on May 01, 2017, 01:56:52 PM
Just bored at work and wondering if anybody has thoughts on ASC women's basketball for the 2017-18 season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 09, 2017, 07:34:56 PM
If I remember correctly, weren't Brittany Densman-Roes and Kendra Anderson Hassell teammates at HSU back in the Julie Goodenough days?

If so, the McMurry 83-73 win must be a little bit sweeter.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2018, 04:55:26 PM
It is already the midway point of January. In a month's time, we will be looking at conference tournaments and discussing who has a chance to make the NCAA tournaments. However, there is still a lot of basketball to be played and many teams are starting to take the turn into the second half of conference play.

On Thursday's edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave will chat with a number of guests to get a landscape of where things are in Division III. The conversation will include checking in at the NCAA Convention where legislation will be voted on by DIII members and conferences on whether to start the season a week earlier.

Dave then talks to some of the hotter teams in the country. Two women's programs (ranked and unranked) who are leading their respective conferences and looking to build on recent success. Also two men's programs one of which is not in the spotlight as much as they traditionally are along with a program we haven't talked to in a number of years.

This week's WBCA Center Court will feature a women's coach who is doing what she can to spread the word about women's basketball including giving more of her time to make sure her colleagues are taken care of and heard.

Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7:00 p.m. ET here: http://bit.ly/2DmSR9D

You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.

Guests include (in order of appearance):
- James Wagner, CSAC Assistant Commissioner
- Bobby Hurley, Stevens men's coach
- Kris Huffman, No. 9 DePauw women's coach
- Polly Thomason, Texas-Dallas women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Matt Logie, No. 7 Whitworth men's coach
- Ashlee Rogers, Marymount women's coach

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Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 20, 2018, 07:18:31 PM
Meia Daniels-Nettles is head coach at her alma mater now.

I have fond memories of that 2008 season with her and the Jostens winner McMurry's Tara Richardson.

HPU went undefeated to win the National Championship.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 02:39:27 PM
Women's first regional rankings of the season are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 10, 2018, 08:43:15 PM
One game to go for our McMurry women, the women War Hawks, formerly the LIB, formerly the Lady Indians... finally getting back into it in DIII.  It should rock next Saturday at HSU, the last game of the season for both teams.  No matter that we can't advance into the conference tournament, but this is our final year on probation since returning to DIII.  Next year should be real fun, if we can build on this year's results!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2018, 10:35:04 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 10, 2018, 08:43:15 PM
One game to go for our McMurry women, the women War Hawks, formerly the LIB, formerly the Lady Indians... finally getting back into it in DIII.  It should rock next Saturday at HSU, the last game of the season for both teams.  No matter that we can't advance into the conference tournament, but this is our final year on probation since returning to DIII.  Next year should be real fun, if we can build on this year's results!
Will McM women play in the NCCAA post-season tourney?

I saw that they lost the NCCAA Division II #1 Arlington Baptist, but beat #3 Randall (OK) this year.

As for next year, I can see Coach Densman-Roes building a program like McM had in the 2000's.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 11, 2018, 07:19:34 PM
The last I heard, we hoped to be in the NCCAA postseason.  Right now, everyone is just concentrating on the rematch with HSU.  It should be a good game; we beat them before, but on our court and with their top scorer not playing because she was sick.  This Saturday, it will be their court with (the flu willing) their full team.  And in a cross-town rivalry march, you can throw the standings out the window!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2018, 09:13:51 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 11, 2018, 07:26:27 PM
I guess this is to the webmaster here.  Any idea why the avatars no longer seem to be displaying?  Mine is still correctly linked on my profile, but it is no longer displaying on my messages.  In fact, Pat's appears to be just about the only avatar that is displaying.

I have no idea. I see your avatar!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2018, 10:37:15 PM
Seems fine from my perspective as well. May be just on your side.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2018, 12:11:28 PM
Around the South -- UTD's Madison Steele

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2017-18/ut-dallas-madison-steele-making-every-game-count
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2018, 03:10:38 PM
New women's regional rankings: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 03:04:11 PM
The NCAA released the third set of women's basketball regional rankings with few changes from last week's version. This is the final set that we'll see before the Tournament bracket is released on Monday. Full list here: http://d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-third

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Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 25, 2018, 08:22:12 AM
Going to be interesting to see what happens with the ASC in the playoffs after ETBU knocked out UTD in the semis and then defeated UMHB for the championship this weekend.   ETBU pool A, probably UTD pool C with UMHB being the odd team out.  Over in the SCAC, Austin lost unexpectedly to Southwestern in the semis which likely eliminated the SCAC's slim hopes for a second team.   UTD likely hosts in a scenario when they, ETBU, Trinity all make the playoffs. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2018, 09:05:09 PM
ETBU continues their run with a huge upset of Whitman tonight,65-59.   Whitman had lost 3-of-4 coming into tonight's game but still a shock to see a seasoned team lose in the first round
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2018, 11:15:45 PM
It'll be an all-ASC battle for a spot in the Sweet Sixteen after UT-D defeated Trinity 79-70.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2018, 11:28:03 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2018, 11:15:45 PM
It'll be an all-ASC battle for a spot in the Sweet Sixteen after UT-D defeated Trinity 79-70.
UTD met Trinity basket for basket after pulling away from the 8-7 Trinity lead in the 1Q.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 04, 2018, 04:57:03 PM
I notice ETBU has made it to the sweet 16 -- the last of our men's and women's teams from the ASC in the post-season.  The schedule says they play St. Thomas next.  Do we know where and at what time?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2018, 05:14:12 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 04, 2018, 04:57:03 PM
I notice ETBU has made it to the sweet 16 -- the last of our men's and women's teams from the ASC in the post-season.  The schedule says they play St. Thomas next.  Do we know where and at what time?
Friday night but I do not know where or when.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 04, 2018, 05:38:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2018, 05:14:12 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 04, 2018, 04:57:03 PM
I notice ETBU has made it to the sweet 16 -- the last of our men's and women's teams from the ASC in the post-season.  The schedule says they play St. Thomas next.  Do we know where and at what time?
Friday night but I do not know where or when.

They play at Wartburg, I believe it'll be 5:30pm Central time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 05, 2018, 09:05:15 AM
ETBU really went on a roll once the ASC championships came around.   They lost by 10 at UT-D in the last game of the regular season, then beat them by 13 on Saturday in the same building, shooting 60% while holding the Comets to 25%!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2018, 12:16:58 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 04, 2018, 04:57:03 PM
I notice ETBU has made it to the sweet 16 -- the last of our men's and women's teams from the ASC in the post-season.  The schedule says they play St. Thomas next.  Do we know where and at what time?

Definitely encourage you to use our schedule, since that had that info. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 05, 2018, 04:37:35 PM
Looking forward to getting off the east coast of the Division III landscape and covering the games at Wartburg's sectional this weekend. If there are any fans from East Texas Baptist who want to stop by and say hello, please do.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ronk on March 05, 2018, 06:38:14 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on March 05, 2018, 04:37:35 PM
Looking forward to getting off the east coast of the Division III landscape and covering the games at Wartburg's sectional this weekend. If there are any fans from East Texas Baptist who want to stop by and say hello, please do.

The downside is that we're going to miss you in Scranton, but I understand in terms of providing national coverage.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 06, 2018, 12:30:58 PM
How do you say "hello" through the video feed?   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 09, 2018, 08:34:05 PM
ETBU beats St. Thomas in overtime!  The announcers on the video feed kept calling them the "Cinderella team."  They apparently couldn't believe a team from our lowly ASC could beat mighty St. Thomas.  Good luck in the next game tomorrow...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2018, 08:34:41 PM
Congratulations to Coach Rainbolt and the ETBU Lady Tigers on their 61-58 OT win over #6 St Thomas in Wartburg IA.

Headed to the Elite 8 tomorrow against the winner of Trine versus Wartburg IA
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2018, 11:20:15 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2018, 08:34:41 PM
Congratulations to Coach Rainbolt and the ETBU Lady Tigers on their 61-58 OT win over #6 St Thomas in Wartburg IA.

Headed to the Elite 8 tomorrow against the winner of Trine versus Wartburg IA

Very impressive win. Was impressed also with their poise down the stretch. Should be a fascinating game against Wartburg who rolled through Trine's defense better than any team I have seen this year.

Wartburg sent a message.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 10, 2018, 11:26:05 AM
Note that Coach Rainbolt assisted at McMurry before moving on to Concordia and ETBU.  We're one big family in the ASC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 10, 2018, 09:45:15 PM
Congratulations on a great game, ETBU, even though you couldn't pull off the upset.  You really gave the Knights a run for their money.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2018, 11:57:32 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 10, 2018, 09:45:15 PM
Congratulations on a great game, ETBU, even though you couldn't pull off the upset.  You really gave the Knights a run for their money.
ETBU erases a 54-36 deficit at 9:38 in the 4th to close to 61-59 with 2:00 to play.  Final 65-61 in the closest game in the Elite 8.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 12, 2018, 09:37:59 AM
Heck of a run by a team with zero playoff experience.   Congrats to the players, the staff, and the ASC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 26, 2018, 11:48:42 PM
One person who wants nothing to do with UT-Tyler's move to D2 is their now former women's basketball coach Kendra Anderson Hassell, who is returning to her alma mater to take over the Cowgirls.    http://www.hsuathletics.com/sports/w-baskbl/2017-18/releases/20180326iwktb2
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2018, 07:31:40 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 26, 2018, 11:48:42 PM
One person who wants nothing to do with UT-Tyler's move to D2 is their now former women's basketball coach Kendra Anderson Hassell, who is returning to her alma mater to take over the Cowgirls.    http://www.hsuathletics.com/sports/w-baskbl/2017-18/releases/20180326iwktb2
Good move!

I am happy for her.

We keep an excellent coach in the ASC and I think that she will have more success at HSU than she has had at UT-Tyler, even considering the Elite 8 appearance.

Now look at the really good coaches in the Conference (and I am sure to leave out a couple).

ETBU  Rusty Rainbolt
HPU   Meia Daniels
HSU  Kendra Anderson Hassell
McMurry Brittany Densman-Roes
UMHB Mark Morefield
UTD Polly Thomasen




http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/03/hassell-returns-to-alma-mater
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 28, 2018, 05:59:20 PM
This is a great move for HSU.  As someone familiar with the program during its heyday (and who was responsible a good deal of that success), Ms. Hassel should be able to relate to prospective students and know what it will take to reverse the decline the program has suffered for most of the last decade.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kr on April 03, 2018, 02:01:50 PM
Anybody want to speculate who the new coach at UT-Tyler will be? Any candidate rumors?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 04, 2018, 12:23:08 PM
Women's basketball hires are such a mystery, especially at this level.   With UTT going D2 they may look for someone with experience with scholarship athletics, which present a much different recruiting challenge.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kr on April 04, 2018, 01:47:14 PM
Yeah that's a good point --- a whole new set of challenges.
Plus, with the fact that the team will not be eligible for postseason for a while, I would think that recruiting may be difficult unless there is a lot of scholarship $$$ available right away.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 04, 2018, 09:45:36 PM
Quote from: kr on April 04, 2018, 01:47:14 PM
Yeah that's a good point --- a whole new set of challenges.
Plus, with the fact that the team will not be eligible for postseason for a while, I would think that recruiting may be difficult unless there is a lot of scholarship $$$ available right away.

Remember, there are limits to scholarship money. In DII, they can split up scholarships (DI basketball and football, splitting up a scholarship is not allowed - full-ride only) and that can mean a lot of creative things to get recruits in. So there is a max number of scholarships given in total (10 full-rides - making up that number, don't know it for sure) and they can be given out in any size up to full-ride needed as long as it totals the max.

Recruiting will be tough. Next year the programs will still be competing in DIII (with no scholarships available anyway). The first recruits coming on campus will be the following year which, as long as everything is on course and they have been officially welcomed to DII, will be the first of the four-year transition process ... and like in DIII, they won't be eligible for NCAA postseasons until they complete those four years ... ASSUMING nothing goes wrong and a year or two in the process is not repeated.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 04, 2018, 10:47:19 PM
You got it in one, Dave:  exactly 10 scholarships to be divided up as the school sees fit.    http://www.ncaa.org/about/division-ii-partial-scholarship-model
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kr on April 05, 2018, 02:10:04 PM
Thanks for the information! That's very helpful!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2018, 05:25:21 PM
Meia Daniels Netter has resigned from HPU.  I am sad to see her leave.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/04/netter-resigns-from-howard-payne
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 16, 2018, 02:56:10 PM
Nice hire for Tyler: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/05/cortland-coach-moves-to-ut-tyler
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 21, 2018, 12:22:17 PM
Here's an interview I did a couple weeks ago with Coach Hassell about her transition from Texas-Tyler to HSU. She also talks about Tyler's potential transition to D2.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/05/atn-nelson-hassell
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 26, 2018, 09:46:26 PM
UMHB Women are looking good so far this year. I expect big things from them. Go Cru!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 26, 2018, 10:47:15 PM
Cru are ranked for the first time ever in our poll's history.

Congrats to them!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on November 30, 2018, 08:38:25 AM
Big win by The CRU over ETBU last night!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on December 02, 2018, 06:53:56 PM
Yes. The ladies are legit. I haven't made it to a game yet, but I have watched online a few times. Beating ETBU the way they did should really give them some confidence.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 03, 2018, 02:35:51 AM
(https://cdn.prestosports.com/action/cdn/img/mw=710/cr=n/d=j5e7f/air603b6yr9p3t16.jpg)

The carnage continues!

Ok, maybe some hyperbole there, but it doesn't take away from the fact nine men's Top 25 teams lost (account for 12 losses). Even the women are taking more losses this time of year than maybe we are used to from that Top 25 group. Five more took losses this past week, granted some were to other Top 25 opponents.

What could the second Top 25 poll of the season look like when it's released Monday evening? What other teams are surprising or maybe flying under the radar?

Join Dave McHugh as he's returned from his soccer soiree to recap another incredible week of Division III basketball. Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air at a special time on Monday - starting at 11:00 am Eastern.

McHugh will be joined by a few teams stealing the spotlight early in the season. Plus, Ryan Scott helps Dave get back up to speed and tries to read the tea leaves ahead of the latest Top 25.

Dave will also talk to the latest coach to join the 600-win club. DePauw women's coach Kris Huffman talks about the accomplishment and this season's seemingly low-octane squad.

Oh ... and we get the sights and sounds of a game between UW-River Falls and St. Thomas from US Bank Stadium, home of the Minnesota Vikings, in Minneapolis.

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Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2018, 11:39:19 PM
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2018-19/week4

Three ASC teams in the Top 25!

https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2006-07/week6
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on January 04, 2019, 11:32:45 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2018, 11:39:19 PM
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2018-19/week4

Three ASC teams in the Top 25!

https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2006-07/week6
Thomas More is coming to Belton next week. Should be a fantastic game
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 13, 2019, 07:54:27 PM
Quote from: Toby Taff on January 04, 2019, 11:32:45 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2018, 11:39:19 PM
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2018-19/week4

Three ASC teams in the Top 25!

https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2006-07/week6
Thomas More is coming to Belton next week. Should be a fantastic game
Whoa!  #2 Thomas More 73, UMHB 55.

It has been a long time since we have seen a real #2 in D-3 playing an ASC opponent!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2019, 05:06:43 PM
What a weekend!

It was one of those sets of days we have seen often in Division III where at every turn there was something to watch, a result to ponder, and upset to breakdown. The hardwoods across the country had games worth watching all with just three weeks left in the regular season.

It started with Dave and Pat's trip to Holland, Michigan to witness the 200th meeting of Calvin and Hope. The game at DeVos Fieldhouse lived up to expectations. From the crowd to the battle on the court, every moment was a thrill ride.

And the Super Weekend didn't stop there. A number of teams in both Top 25s took losses that not only will shake up the polls, but also shakes up conferences races and adds plenty of intrigue for the first Regional Rankings to be released this week. Oh, and a 200-point explosion from a high-powered offense!

On this special, Monday, edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave and guests have plenty to try and breakdown. Dave will share his reactions from "The Rivalry" and you will hear one of the crazier stories on how a mom names a son. Plus, hear about the Greenville-Fontbonne game which saw 346 points put on the board. And coaches from Hamilton men and East Texas Baptist women along with one of the top players for WashU women give us insight on how their teams are doing.

Ryan Scott also joins Dave as they give their initial reactions to the latest Top 25 polls and more.

Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. Monday's show can be see LIVE here: http://bit.ly/2UGhZw2 (and simulcast on Facebook Live and Periscope).

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Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- George Barber, Greenville men's head coach
- Adam Stockwell, No. 8 Hamilton
- Becca Clark-Callender, WashU. women's senior guard
- "What Is In a Name?," Dina Hackert, Hope '91
- Rusty Rainbolt, No. 15 East Texas Baptist women's coach
- Ryan Scott, D3hoops.com senior writer (Top 25 Double-Take)

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Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 02:40:40 PM
First women's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2019, 02:19:06 PM
Three of the 9, plus AC and Trinity in the ranking.

We may get a first round tourney.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 13, 2019, 10:06:26 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2019, 02:19:06 PM
Three of the 9, plus AC and Trinity in the ranking.

We may get a first round tourney.

Usually do; it's been at UT-D the last two years with 2 ASC and 1 SCAC team.  This year it might actually go to the highest-ranked team (which, barring upsets, would be UMHB) rather than the one making it possible to bus the fourth team in. 

Maybe that was your point :)

Edit:  and there's also the off chance that the ASC gets 3 and the SCAC 2, and the lowest ranked ends up having to fly somewhere.    But right now, ETBU is probably on the outside looking in.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 02:54:57 PM
Regional Rankings Week 2 released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:03:14 PM
The new NCAA Division III women's basketball regional rankings are posted: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2019, 03:57:35 PM
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The second weekend of the DIII Men's and Women's Championship Tournaments is set to start. Can the upset minded teams continue to prevail? Can the "favorites" maintain their poise? What home team will enjoy their own cooking? And who will still be playing in Fort Wayne and Salem?

On Thursday's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave is joined by a number of guests to get a look not only at the action ahead this weekend, but the action coming at the final fours. Which teams seemed ready to be playing one more weekend?

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Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- John Taurer, No. 13 St. Thomas men's coach
- Dave Hixon, No. 7 Amherst men's coach
- Nathan Denison, VP for Sales, Memorial Coliseum (Fort Wayne, Ind.)
- Mark Morefield, No. 12 UMHB women's coach
- Carla Berube, No. 4 Tufts women's coach

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Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:34:22 PM
Women's first Regional Rankings released.

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 03:07:44 PM
The second week Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2020, 02:22:28 PM
Women's third regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 29, 2020, 10:48:39 PM
UMHB 60, HSU 58.

Almost, Cowgirls!
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2020, 08:08:53 PM
I bet we have an ASC-SCAC cross-divisional at UMHB this weekend.
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jekelish on March 01, 2020, 08:14:35 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2020, 08:08:53 PM
I bet we have an ASC-SCAC cross-divisional at UMHB this weekend.

Agreed. AC/TU/UMHB/UTD seems natural. Wondering how they would put them off, since AC and UTD have each played everyone else in that potential pod.
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2020, 02:21:20 PM
First round action:

UT-Dallas 74, Trinity TX 69
UMHB 78, Austin College 63

UT-D vs UMHB tonight in San Antonio.
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2020, 11:29:47 PM
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What an opening weekend of the NCAA tournaments? Upsets a plenty. Gyms closed to fans. Incredible finishes. And so much more. Sunday night on Hoopsville we tried to cover it all.

The show started with extensive information on decisions surrounding COVID-19. We discussed decisions by Johns Hopkins and Amherst to close their doors to fans for the first weekend's games. We also had reactions and statements on the choice to return to Amherst this coming weekend for the Sectionals in women's basketball and the college's decision to, once again, ban fans from attending.

We also talked about the incredible stories coming out of the tournament of how teams are moving on and how seasons came to a sudden and emotional finish. 

Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Pat Coleman, Editor-in-Chief, D3hoops.com
- Todd Raridon, No. 11 North Central (Ill.) men's coach
- Jackson Meshanic (sophomore) & Stefan Thompson (coach), Hobart men's team (Frank Rossi interviews)
- Greg Dunne, No. 18 Brockport men's coach
- Andy Rang, No. 23 Trine women's coach
- Pat Manning, Williams women's coach
- Bob Quillman & Ryan Scott

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Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2020, 09:51:04 PM
Congratulations to UT-D's Raenett Hughes, 1st team All-American

https://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-americans/women/2020
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 23, 2020, 06:27:59 PM
Will there be a 2020-21 NCAA Division III basketball season? If so what will it look like? What will the post-season look like?

It is on the mind of student-athletes, coaches, administrators, parents, and fans for several weeks, if not months, now. We are finally understanding what it may look like as a number of decisions or proposals are now making their way around Division III.

In this month's podcast, Dave McHugh not only downloads all the things being considered and the likely outcomes, but tries to give listeners an understanding of how much is still unknown despite some things becoming more clear.

McHugh also talks to Texas-Dallas women's basketball coach Polly Thomason for her take. Thomason has been in the Division III Women's Basketball National Committee for several years and is this season's chair of the committee. She also serves on the WBCA Board of Governors. Thomason not only provides her perspective on much of what is going on not only in Division III, but in women's basketball as well.

And of course, there is always the Hoopsville Notebook. Unfortunately, there is some sad news in the Notebook this month, but also news to celebrate especially when it comes to DIII alums making news in the NBA.

You can listen to the podcast here: https://bit.ly/3kMl0rZ

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Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jaybird44 on October 29, 2020, 11:16:37 PM
It seems that I have been the only member of the only (unofficial) fall sport at WashU, with my 100-mile ultramarathon attempt earlier this month to promote the fight for a cure during Rett Syndrome Awareness Month.  That attempt fell a bit short in miles and fundraising, so I'm going into overtime to try and reach $5,000 in donations.

Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K will commence Friday, October 30 at 8 pm Central, and end at 8 am Halloween morning.  Counting donations received (thanks to retired WashU men's basketball coach Mark Edwards and his wife Mary, and to Mike McGrath and his  University of Chicago men's basketball program for their donations!) and those yet to be sent and processed, I am at $4,440.53.  Very, very close to my goal...which will fund a researcher's work for a month.  Wouldn't it be cool if he or she cracked the code for a cure of Rett syndrome, on our dime?!

I reached 86 miles in my "Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend" October 3-4.  I'm very proud of that result, but there's more work to be done.  Proceeds from the event will be split between Rettsyndrome.org (the only national organization spearheading research and providing resources for affected patients and their families) and the Rett Spectrum Clinic--a collaboration between the WashU School of Medicine and St. Louis Children's Hospital.

Rett syndrome is a rare, non-inherited neurological disorder that is caused by a gene mutation in the brain.  It primarily affects girls (1 in every 10,000 girls develop Rett).  It strikes typically when a child is 6-18 months old, and it has the characteristics of ALS, autism, epilepsy, and Parkinson's...all rolled into one sinister disorder.  It takes away the child's ability to move and communicate. 

In essence, Rett does to a child what Lucy in the "Peanuts" comic strip does to Charlie Brown when he tries to kick the football that she is holding.  The only difference is that Charlie Brown can get back up to try again.  Those who are afflicted with Rett syndrome don't get another chance to enjoy a vibrant life.

Researchers are working to re-engineer the gene mutation that turns on Rett, so it can be forever turned off.  Four drug therapies are in the FDA review pipeline, with one (trofanitide) one level away from review.  And, iPad tablets with retinal scan technology are giving those with Rett a voice they haven't had since they were toddlers.

The full court press on Rett is paying off.  You can help keep the pressure on Rett, by going to my Rett Racers donation page:  https://rettracer.everydayhero.com/us/rett-gets-rocked-2020

Thanks for your time and consideration, and hopefully there will be basketball to play and broadcast at the start of 2021!

Jay Murry
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Event Director, Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 04, 2020, 08:18:04 AM
Congrats to ETBU who upset D-1 McNeese State in an exhibition last night.

https://twitter.com/ETBU_WBSK/status/1334691187916148738
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 05, 2020, 12:27:08 AM
The UMHB women's basketball team is 2-0 after taking down a very good Arlington Baptist team in the home opener Friday night. Read all about it as the Cru look very good with plenty of depth this season.

https://truetothecru.com/2020/12/04/umhb-womens-basketball-wins-by-20-in-the-home-opener-against-arlington-baptist/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 15, 2020, 12:44:00 AM
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It has been awhile since we had a show - we apologize. The basketball season technically started as scheduled on November 6, but not a lot of teams took the court thanks to the ongoing Coronavirus Pandemic. So how are those who are playing getting on the floor?

This marks the first of three podcasts tackling the challenge of COVID-19 for college across the county in Division III. In the trio of shows, we will talk to those who are playing, who have had seasons canceled, and who are making decisions behind the scenes at institutions.

In this first podcast, Dave McHugh chat with two coaches who are currently playing games, Greenville men's coach Dr. George Barber and Hardin-Simmons' women's coach Kendra Hassell. Hear how each program, along with athletic department and institution, is getting their teams on the court in competition. What steps each are taking to play, stay safe from the coronavirus, and even find games to play.

We also get a reminder of The System utilized by Barber at Greenville and the experience of playing four Division I programs in just a week.

You can listen to the podcast here: https://bit.ly/3mkbzAj

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Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 15, 2020, 09:59:09 AM
Check out the latest on Mark Morefield's impressive squad at UMHB as the Cru are 3-1 to start the season, and took down UNT-Dallas last night.
https://truetothecru.com/2020/12/15/womens-basketball-defeats-unt-dallas-for-the-second-time-this-season/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 02, 2021, 09:50:03 PM
UMHB is for real. The nation needs to take notice. They just hung 91 points on North American University.
https://truetothecru.com/2021/01/02/umhb-womens-basketball-takes-it-to-north-american-in-an-exhibition-victory/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 11, 2021, 08:48:27 PM
Take a second to read the story of Haven Neal, UMHB's assistant coach who has gotten the unique chance to play for the Cru and now lead the team as a coach.
BELTON, Texas- For the majority of the past seven years, Haven Neal's home court has been in Belton.

The UMHB women's basketball assistant coach has had the rare opportunity to wear the uniform as a Crusader and now lead the team as a coach. At the midway point of her second season on head coach Mark Morefield's staff, Neal has played a tremendous role in the Cru's success.

"It's definitely been a different..."
Read more: https://truetothecru.com/2021/01/11/coming-home-haven-neal-has-embraced-the-opportunity-to-lead-the-cru-both-as-a-player-and-a-coach/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2021, 07:19:09 PM
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The Division III basketball season technically started nearly three months ago, but it has taken until the end of January for it to start feeling like the season is really underway. Even so, only about a quarter of the division has played just a single game. Another quarter of the division will never take to the court. And in between is wide gulf of different options.

On the first video-version of Hoopsville this season, Dave McHugh is joined by much of the D3hoops.com crew, Pat Coleman and Ryan Scott, to react to what has been one of the more unique seasons ... to say it lightly.

We react to the challenges schools are facing, what coaches are grappling with on a daily basis - especially beyond games and practices, and why schools are making so many different decisions.

We also discuss what is likely the future of this season's NCAA Championship Tournaments and, more importantly, when the decision on those tournaments will be made.

Plus, will there be a Top 25? No. Well, yes. Kind of. Tune in to learn more on what's coming. Plus a lot more including Dave spinning off Pat's thoughts on those wishing to attend games.

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Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2021, 07:45:05 PM
DIII Championships are official canceled: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2021/02/committee-decides-championships-fate
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 04, 2021, 03:37:12 PM
For a UMHB perspective: https://truetothecru.com/2021/02/04/all-is-not-lost-a-national-championship-run-may-be-taken-away-for-the-umhb-basketball-teams-but-the-season-is-far-from-over/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 11, 2021, 08:44:39 AM
UMHB should not be overlooked, as the Cru took down No. 1 West Seed Hardin-Simmons in the ASC Tournament quarterfinals last night. The game went into overtime and UMHB ended up winning 79-75.

https://truetothecru.com/2021/03/10/umhb-womens-basketball-advances-to-the-asc-tournament-semifinals-stuns-no-1-seed-hardin-simmons-79-75-in-overtime/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 15, 2021, 12:14:46 PM
ASC Championship game today in Alpine! UMHB vs. ETBU in the final game of the season.
https://truetothecru.com/2021/03/15/umhb-womens-basketballs-redemption-tour-set-to-culminate-in-asc-championship-game-showdown-against-etbu/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on April 20, 2021, 08:45:13 PM
Some scheduling news: UMHB will play at Trinity's tournament early in the 2021-22 season. The tournament will be held November 5-6.

https://truetothecru.com/2021/04/20/umhb-womens-basketball-to-play-in-trinitys-tournament-in-november/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on July 01, 2021, 05:05:43 PM
Coaching change at UMHB:
Assistant coach Haven Neal has left for the high school ranks. She will be replaced by Kendra Foreman, formerly Kendra Wynn, who has been coaching at the University of Dallas. Foreman played at UMHB for two years and was the ASC's West Division Defensive POY in 2016-17.

https://truetothecru.com/2021/07/01/umhb-alum-kendra-foreman-added-to-womens-basketballs-coaching-staff/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on November 07, 2021, 09:07:58 AM
UMHB women's basketball edged past Rhodes last night in the season opener for both teams. 73-72 the final in Belton. UMHB needs to find  more offensive rhythm, something HC Mark Morefield said will be improved if the Cru sticks with its gameplan rather than settling for too many outside shots. Arieona Rosborough played well in her collegiate debut, scoring 10 points. Our recap of the contest:

https://truetothecru.com/2021/11/07/umhb-womens-basketball-edges-rhodes-in-final-minute-of-season-opener-73-72/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 04, 2021, 01:59:30 AM
 A couple of thoughts on tonight's win for UMHB women's basketball (1-0 ASC) over Ozarks (2-2 ASC)...Final score: UMHB, 72, Ozarks, 42

-54 bench points from the Cru! HC Mark Morefield has been talking about depth all year, but wow...UMHB's two leading scorers were Arieona Rosborough (17 pts) and Alexia Martin (12 pts), both of whom came off the bench...14 different players contributed to the scoring. Once they start playing more consistently, this depth will only continue to get better...and they have 3 players coming off injuries who should be ready for the Jan. 3 ASC game vs Concordia in Belton.

-The second quarter was the difference...UMHB outscored the Eagles 18-5, and held Ozarks scoreless for the final 8 minutes of the quarter while they mounted an 18-0 run

-Gainae Gaines was consistent for Ozarks off the bench in 16 minutes...13 points for her as well as 2 steals...only Ozarks player in double figures in scoring

Here's the full article: https://truetothecru.com/2021/12/03/umhb-womens-basketball-uses-54-bench-points-en-route-to-72-42-win-over-ozarks/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 09, 2021, 12:32:52 AM
UMHB head coach Mark Morefield on this week's contests against McMurry and Hardin-Simmons, when asked what it means to be back in Abilene after getting the huge ASC Tournament win in March there over HSU:

"We want to respect and enjoy the past, but we've had that moment. Now we're about,'This is another conference opponent tomorrow night in McMurry. What can we do to come up victorious?' Then we prepare for Hardin-Simmons on Saturday. We're never going to look ahead, we're never going to look back. We're going to look at the task at hand." 

Read the full article: https://truetothecru.com/2021/12/08/umhb-mens-and-womens-basketball-prepare-for-asc-road-openers-in-abilene/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 10, 2021, 09:09:26 AM
UMHB women's basketball earned its second straight 30-point win, defeating McMurry 82-52:

Takeaways from the win...
-Ashley Faux shot really well from the field, 10-for-16, tallying 25 points...incredible performance from the sophomore...definitely a reliable scorer for the Cru moving forwards

-The defensive intensity was outstanding...held McMurry to a 31 percent shooting percentage and really pressured the War Hawks in the backcourt.

-I continued to be amazed as to how HC Mark Morefield can play 14-18 players per game and yet still get the looks he wants on offense and keep the momentum rolling defensively. Depth is undoubtedly the Cru's biggest strength this season.

That'll be tested on Saturday against Hardin-Simmons. Fans, if you're looking for a good WBB game to watch, tune into this one! No. 14 HSU battles UMHB, both teams are perfect in ASC play.

https://truetothecru.com/2021/12/09/behind-25-points-from-faux-umhb-womens-basketball-defeats-mcmurry-82-52/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 17, 2021, 09:39:34 AM
UMHB is definitely a team to keep an eye on...saw them play in a scrimmage in October, and where they are now, they look like a completely different team. Back-to-back Top 25 wins for the unranked Crusaders with last night's 11-point win over UT-Dallas:

https://truetothecru.com/2021/12/17/umhb-womens-hoops-wins-second-straight-game-over-top-25-team-in-overtime-thriller-vs-ut-dallas/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 19, 2021, 10:44:13 PM
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We are now into the holiday break period for Division III. Some programs are playing occasional games or in tournaments/classic, others are taking extended breaks as they prepare for the conference grind starting in January. So time to take the temperature of the season so far.

On Sunday's Hoopsville, Dave McHugh chatted with a couple of teams garnering headlines around DIII. He also got the perspective of the season so far from those who follow it the closest.

And we take the time to celebrate the life of Mike Freilich, an assistant coach who died unexpectedly on Friday and has left many saddened throughout Division III.

You can watch the show LIVE (or on demand) here: https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/dec19 or http://www.d3hoops.com/x/lvmbp

Guests include (order subject to change):
- Polly Thomason, No. 18 Texas-Dallas women's coach
- Gordon Mann, D3hoops.com Senior Editor
- Gabe Leifer, No. 1 Yeshiva graduate student
- Ryan Scott, D3hoops.com columnist

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Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 21, 2021, 09:57:43 AM
Thoughts + Analysis on last night's 88-71 non-conference win for UMHB women's basketball over Schreiner:

-Both teams struggled to find their rhythm early in the first quarter, but all of a sudden, things began to click on the offensive end. A combined 21 points were scored in the final 6:40 of the first quarter.

-The second quarter was where UMHB took charge, as Kaitlyn Kollmorgen opened the quarter with three consecutive made shots. Kollmorgen is a sophomore who had four years of eligibility entering this year (Covid year last year) and is establishing herself as one of the ASC's better post players. 8.0 PPG, 8.4 RPG for the Houston native. There was a difference in Schreiner's ability to drive to the lane when she was on the floor, as compared to when she wasn't.

-Schreiner's ball movement to get the ball into the paint was extremely good throughout the game. 32 points in the paint for the Mountaineers. Individually, Aazayleah Pirtle was outstanding. She handled the ball when and made the most of her opportunities. She was 5-of-9 from the field, but also shot 12 free throws, nine of which she made, for a total of 19 points.

-Speaking of free throws...wow. 74 total free throws were shot, and in my opinion, that is way too high of a number. But either way, 27 of UMHB's points came at the line, as compared to 24 of Schreiner's.

-Next up for the Crusaders is an ASC duel with Concordia on Jan. 3 at 5:30 p.m. in Belton. SU hosts St. Thomas (TX) on Dec. 31 at 4:00 p.m. in Kerrville.

For more on the game, read our full game story: https://truetothecru.com/2021/12/21/umhb-womens-basketball-extends-win-streak-to-seven-in-88-71-win-over-schreiner/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 03, 2022, 12:13:33 PM
Concordia and UMHB tip off at 5:30 tonight in Belton...Cru is the clear favorite, and has the advantage in the post. I expect Concordia to contend with UMHB for the first couple quarters, but I don't believe they'll be able to maintain the pace necessary to pull out the win. UMHB is showing it is the class of the field in the ASC right now (or at least before the break).

Game preview is up on the website: https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/03/womens-basketball-gameday-preview-concordia-tx-at-umhb/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 03, 2022, 06:07:17 PM
Quote from: True To The Cru on January 03, 2022, 12:13:33 PM
[...]UMHB is showing it is the class of the field in the ASC right now (or at least before the break).

The Cru are 8-2 with losses at home to 8-2 Trinity and at 4-8 Colorado.  The (ETBU) Tigers are 9-2 with losses to 8-2 Rhodes (neutral site) and at 6-3 UT-Dallas.  UMHB beat UT-D at home but needed OT (and a buzzer beater in regulation) to do it, while ETBU beat Trinity at a neutral site but needed OT to do it.  MHB did beat Rhodes by 1 at home in the season opener.  Not sure those results conclusively support the claim that UMHB has shown it's the "class of the field in the ASC" but they'll have the chance to prove it when when they meet ETBU in Marshall next week. 
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 04, 2022, 09:20:25 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 03, 2022, 06:07:17 PM
Quote from: True To The Cru on January 03, 2022, 12:13:33 PM
[...]UMHB is showing it is the class of the field in the ASC right now (or at least before the break).

The Cru are 8-2 with losses at home to 8-2 Trinity and at 4-8 Colorado.  The (ETBU) Tigers are 9-2 with losses to 8-2 Rhodes (neutral site) and at 6-3 UT-Dallas.  UMHB beat UT-D at home but needed OT (and a buzzer beater in regulation) to do it, while ETBU beat Trinity at a neutral site but needed OT to do it.  MHB did beat Rhodes by 1 at home in the season opener.  Not sure those results conclusively support the claim that UMHB has shown it's the "class of the field in the ASC" but they'll have the chance to prove it when when they meet ETBU in Marshall next week.

Yeah...the win that sticks out to me, though, is the win on the road at Hardin-Simmons on Dec. 11...ETBU, having seen them play in person, is not the same ETBU of last year, but the Tigers are still extremely competitive. Next week's contest will be key, and we should start to see some separation in the standings within the next couple of weeks. The thing is, UMHB led Trinity by 10 points in the second half of that game, and lost the lead in the fourth quarter...the Colorado College loss was at altitude and I was told that affected them more than you might expect with the fast-paced CC was playing at. It'll be interesting to see how the next few weeks play out. UMHB has had to play both HSU and ETBU on the road before they get the chance to do it at home. Wouldn't be surprised if the ASC is a two-bid conference against this year come tourney-time.
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 06, 2022, 01:03:17 PM
Sul Ross makes the trip to Belton to face UMHB tonight. Cru is rolling, 6-0 on the year in ASC play. UMHB has lost to SRSU just once in the last decade, with that loss coming last year in Alpine.

Preview: https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/06/womens-basketball-gameday-preview-sul-ross-state-at-umhb/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 07, 2022, 02:23:23 PM
That's 9 straight for the Cru...

https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/07/umhb-womens-hoops-wins-seventh-asc-game-scores-season-high-in-points-in-win-over-sul-ross-state/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 08, 2022, 09:59:26 PM
UMHB remains the only undefeated team in ASC play, after today's 77-53 win over Howard Payne:
https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/08/umhb-womens-basketball-answers-call-defensively-in-77-53-win-over-howard-payne/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 12, 2022, 10:02:38 AM
Huge showdown in Marshall tomorrow night...No. 14 ETBU hosts UMHB, who is perfect in ASC play. "The Big Four" in the ASC right now is UMHB, ETBU, UTD, and HSU, in my opinion. UMHB has beaten two of those teams already, but hasn't faced ETBU yet this season. If you remember, it was UMHB who ruined ETBU's perfect season a year ago in the 2021 conference title game...should be interesting...

https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/12/asc-championship-rematch-on-tap-for-umhb-womens-basketball-thursday/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 13, 2022, 09:43:22 AM
Very excited to see how this one plays out tonight in Marshall! No. 14 ETBU hosts UMHB, who is 8-0 in ASC play.

Preview: https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/13/womens-basketball-gameday-preview-umhb-at-no-14-etbu/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 14, 2022, 09:36:49 AM
Huge road win for UMHB women's basketball. The Cru overcame an early 21-6 deficit in the first quarter to earn the win in OT. Very impressive performance from the Cru, who are now 9-0 in ASC play. I think the ASC will have 3 ranked teams by next week (ETBU, HSU, UMHB) with UT-Dallas just on the outside, though I'm not sure. I really like what ETBU has and think they are a team that could go deep in March. I'd say the same about UMHB and the way they have performed in some critical late-game situations against UT-Dallas, LeTourneau, and now ETBU.

Game Story, including quotes from UMHB head coach Mark Morefield: https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/14/umhb-womens-basketball-earns-marquee-win-at-no-14-etbu-in-thrilling-overtime/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 19, 2022, 01:50:02 AM
Bethany McLeod scored 17 points and tallied 4 steals on Tuesday night as UMHB moved to 10-0 in ASC play with a 67-58 win at Concordia:

Game Story: https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/18/mcleod-scores-17-as-no-22-umhb-womens-basketball-moves-to-10-0-in-asc-play/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 26, 2022, 11:19:22 AM
HUGE game in Belton tomorrow night. No. 20 UMHB battles No. 22 Hardin-Simmons in what should be a competitive contest. The difference for the Cru this season? The last 8-10 minutes of every game. UMHB HC Mark Morefield believes that is why the Crusaders are 11-0 in the ASC right now.

https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/26/no-20-umhb-womens-basketball-aims-at-fourth-top-25-win-in-rivalry-game-against-hardin-simmons/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 27, 2022, 10:29:47 AM
It's a Top 25 matchup tonight in Belton...
https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/27/womens-basketball-gameday-preview-no-22-hardin-simmons-at-no-20-umhb/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 28, 2022, 09:27:10 AM
No. 20 UMHB comes away with the Top 25 win over No. 22 Hardin-Simmons in Belton. A couple thoughts from the game...

-The FT shooting really kept HSU in the game, especially in the second quarter. The Cowgirls shot 18 FTs, making 11, in the 2nd quarter alone.

-For as good of a 3pt shooting team as HSU was coming in, UMHB defended the perimeter very well. The Cru defense was on its game in the first half. A lot of forced TOs, good defensive rebounding from the Cru.

-UMHB closed it out, but it really did come down to the wire. HSU had a chance to tie it, down 3, with 19 seconds left, but missed back-to-back threes. Two FTs from UMHB made it 73-68, but a 3 with 5 seconds left from HSU cut it to 2. Both teams ended up shooting foul shots within the last four seconds before UMHB managed to run out the final second and get the 74-72 win.

Up next: UMHB hosts McMurry and HSU travels to Concordia.

Full game story: https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/28/no-20-umhb-womens-basketball-defeats-no-22-hardin-simmons-in-rivalry-showdown/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 06, 2022, 09:50:18 AM
UT-Dallas hosts No. 15 UMHB today in Richardson. The Crusaders have been unstoppable, rattling off 15 straight victories. Can they keep it going? UTD is certainly a tough opponent, led by Paris Kiser. But the Cru has tremendous depth. This marks both teams' first game in eight days. Tip at 3 p.m. CT.

Gameday Preview: https://truetothecru.com/2022/02/06/womens-basketball-gameday-preview-no-15-umhb-at-ut-dallas/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 06, 2022, 08:13:20 PM
What went well, how it went down, and what's next for No. 15 UMHB women's basketball following today's 55-46 win at UT-Dallas:

https://truetothecru.com/2022/02/06/no-15-umhb-womens-basketball-defeats-ut-dallas-55-46-behind-strong-effort-defensively/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 19, 2022, 09:44:20 PM
Big win for #22 ETBU today at #14 UMHB...Cru really struggled offensively...we have highlights, quotes along with our game story for you here: https://truetothecru.com/2022/02/19/no-14-umhb-womens-basketball-falls-to-no-22-etbu-in-regular-season-finale/

Conference tournament up next...I have a good feeling this will not be the last time UMHB and ETBU battle in the near future...ETBU has been really impressive all year...a lot of depth, and phenomenal defense...those are the things that can win you games in the tournament
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 24, 2022, 09:13:25 AM
In Saturday's regular season finale, the UMHB women's basketball team suffered its first loss since November, losing to ETBU 71-57. But the Cru has responded to that in a big way entering this week's ASC Tournament, which might just set up a rematch of the league's top two teams again on Saturday.

https://truetothecru.com/2022/02/23/entering-the-asc-tournament-top-seeded-umhb-womens-basketball-looks-to-avenge-uncharacteristic-loss/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 26, 2022, 01:39:45 AM
Crazy turn in the ASC Tournament...both top seeds, UMHB and ETBU, lost in the semis, setting up a championship game between UTD and HSU tomorrow. Hearing that HSU may have an injury or two on its roster, which might improve the Comets' chances. Really solid defensive performances from both HSU and UTD today. I expect a low-scoring contest tonight. 6 pm tip off in Marshall.
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TroyP on February 27, 2022, 09:50:36 AM
I wonder if the two late losses will affect the Cru come selection time on Monday?
Then, preseason ranked #2 ETBU having 5 losses on the season do they have a shot with the selection committee on Monday? That was an interesting Friday night for the ASC.
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2022, 12:07:22 PM
Quote from: TroyP on February 27, 2022, 09:50:36 AM
I wonder if the two late losses will affect the Cru come selection time on Monday?
Then, preseason ranked #2 ETBU having 5 losses on the season do they have a shot with the selection committee on Monday? That was an interesting Friday night for the ASC.

Both ETBU and UMHB are likely to receive bids.
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 28, 2022, 01:46:53 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2022, 12:07:22 PM
Quote from: TroyP on February 27, 2022, 09:50:36 AM
I wonder if the two late losses will affect the Cru come selection time on Monday?
Then, preseason ranked #2 ETBU having 5 losses on the season do they have a shot with the selection committee on Monday? That was an interesting Friday night for the ASC.

Both ETBU and UMHB are likely to receive bids.

Exactly. And pretty easily too, in my opinion. Definitely don't think ETBU or UMHB will be last off the table in Pool C. Both played pretty strong schedules, and did well against RROs, which helps big-time in a situation like this one.
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 28, 2022, 06:08:40 PM
UMHB will face Webster, ETBU will face Rhodes and HSU battles Trinity in the first round. Really impressive that the ASC got 3 teams in this year. I don't believe that has ever happened.

https://truetothecru.com/2022/02/28/umhb-womens-basketball-receives-at-large-bid-will-face-webster-in-first-round-of-ncaa-tournament/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2022, 11:49:57 PM
Quote from: True To The Cru on February 28, 2022, 06:08:40 PM
UMHB will face Webster, ETBU will face Rhodes and HSU battles Trinity in the first round. Really impressive that the ASC got 3 teams in this year. I don't believe that has ever happened.

https://truetothecru.com/2022/02/28/umhb-womens-basketball-receives-at-large-bid-will-face-webster-in-first-round-of-ncaa-tournament/
Yes, back in the day.
I believe that it was 2004 that McMurry hosted HPU, HSU and Trinity TX.

Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 01, 2022, 11:57:04 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2022, 11:49:57 PM
Quote from: True To The Cru on February 28, 2022, 06:08:40 PM
UMHB will face Webster, ETBU will face Rhodes and HSU battles Trinity in the first round. Really impressive that the ASC got 3 teams in this year. I don't believe that has ever happened.

https://truetothecru.com/2022/02/28/umhb-womens-basketball-receives-at-large-bid-will-face-webster-in-first-round-of-ncaa-tournament/
Yes, back in the day.
I believe that it was 2004 that McMurry hosted HPU, HSU and Trinity TX.

Oh ok. I was wondering if it was one of those years that HPU made the tournament. If that was the way it was done this year, UMHB, ETBU, HSU and Trinity would've all been in the same pod. Good to see they spread them out to different areas of the bracket, putting HSU and Trinity on one side, and UMHB and ETBU on the other.
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2022, 12:07:33 AM
Quote from: True To The Cru on March 01, 2022, 11:57:04 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2022, 11:49:57 PM
Quote from: True To The Cru on February 28, 2022, 06:08:40 PM
UMHB will face Webster, ETBU will face Rhodes and HSU battles Trinity in the first round. Really impressive that the ASC got 3 teams in this year. I don't believe that has ever happened.

https://truetothecru.com/2022/02/28/umhb-womens-basketball-receives-at-large-bid-will-face-webster-in-first-round-of-ncaa-tournament/
Yes, back in the day.
I believe that it was 2004 that McMurry hosted HPU, HSU and Trinity TX.

Oh ok. I was wondering if it was one of those years that HPU made the tournament. If that was the way it was done this year, UMHB, ETBU, HSU and Trinity would've all been in the same pod. Good to see they spread them out to different areas of the bracket, putting HSU and Trinity on one side, and UMHB and ETBU on the other.
+1!

Yes, it is almost worth going on the road to get out of the ASC for the post-season.  It would be nice to have 2 teams in the final 16.
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2022, 02:53:52 PM
In 2008, McMurry hosted and beat Trinity TX (the SCAC champion) in the 1st round of a 3-team bracket.  HPU beat McMurry in the "Mausoleum" in the 2nd round.

https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Howard_Payne/Women/2007-08/index.

McMurry went 25-5 that year. They beat St Thomas MN (which made the playoffs from the MIAC), and USA South Champion and Pool A winner Greensboro. They lost to Birmingham-Southern which still had scholarship players and was transitioning from D-1. The other 4 losses were to HPU, the undefeated national champion.

McMurry finished #11 in the final poll, 1 vote behind #10 Simpson.

Sam Nichols had some very strong McMurry teams in the late 1990's and 2000's.

The ASC also had great coaches with Julie Goodenough at HSU and Chris Kielsmeier at HPU.

https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/previous
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on March 05, 2022, 08:32:54 PM
UMHB defeated ETBU tonight. The scoreboard is incorrect. The score should be reversed.
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 06, 2022, 01:50:06 AM
Quote from: Kelly Boggs on March 05, 2022, 08:32:54 PM
UMHB defeated ETBU tonight. The scoreboard is incorrect. The score should be reversed.

Yep, big win for the Cru. Dominated in just about every aspect of the game, especially in the second half. Final was UMHB, 75, ETBU, 57, not the other way around  ;)
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 10, 2022, 11:51:47 PM
UMHB heads to the Sweet 16 for the third straight year that the NCAA Tournament has been held. The Cru will be joined by Transylvania, Trine and Springfield in Lexington tomorrow. Here's all you need to know about all 4 teams in the Lexington sectional pod:

https://truetothecru.com/2022/03/10/ncaa-tournament-preview-umhb-womens-basketball-battles-transylvania-trine-faces-springfield-in-third-round/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 21, 2022, 09:11:38 AM
Tough loss for the young UMHB team last night as they fell on what was basically a buzzer-beater (scored with 0.1 sec left) to #16/#20 Puget Sound in San Antonio last night, 59-58.  UPS inbounded with under 20 seconds left, took an early shot which was blocked, but the shooter was able to rebound and the ball was eventually passed around until they found an open player above the top of the key who drove the lane for an open floater from about ten feet out that hit nothing but net. 

The Cru women shot much better (40%, 44% from deep) than the previous night (27%/27%) but basically lost the game at the free throw line, missing 11 of their 21 attempts.  But this is going to be such a fun team to watch as they gain more experience. 

[edit:  rankings]
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 21, 2022, 04:37:19 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 21, 2022, 09:11:38 AM
Tough loss for the young UMHB team last night as they fell on what was basically a buzzer-beater (scored with 0.1 sec left) to #15/#12 Puget Sound in San Antonio last night, 59-58.  UPS inbounded with under 20 seconds left, took an early shot which was blocked, but the shooter was able to rebound and the ball was eventually passed around until they found an open player above the top of the key who drove the lane for an open floater from about ten feet out that hit nothing but net. 

The Cru women shot much better (40%, 44% from deep) than the previous night (27%/27%) but basically lost the game at the free throw line, missing 11 of their 21 attempts.  But this is going to be such a fun team to watch as they gain more experience.

Talking with Morefield last night, he brought up the FT shooting multiple times. This is a young team. 8 of the 13 who played last night are in their first year in the program. This is a difficult point for them, still trying to mesh and playing some really good teams. Unfortunately, it seems that they'll have to either beat UCSC to remain in the Pool C conversation or win the ASC to make the tournament. Though if PS wins the NWC, Trinity wins the SCAC, and HSU/ETBU were to win the ASC, UMHB and UCSC would probably be first in line for Pool C bids out of R10 (maybe Whitman too). So maybe there is a path via Pool C even if they were to lose to UCSC and lose the ASC championship game. We shall see. But I will say, this is a talented team. Once they put it together, they'll be hard to beat.
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 13, 2023, 09:59:15 AM
HSU really played well down the stretch and pulled out an 87-78 win over UMHB in Belton last night. Top 25 WBB matchup did not disappoint. The major takeaway from a UMHB perspective was a lack of defensive effort which allowed HSU to stay in front as the Cowgirls really did a nice job getting to the rim and getting fouled. My full "3 takeaways" article is below...

https://truetothecru.com/2023/01/12/3-takeaways-no-20-umhb-womens-basketball-falls-87-78-to-no-16-hardin-simmons/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Etchglow on January 24, 2023, 04:40:10 PM
Just saw this:

https://twitter.com/KurtisQuillin/status/1617994678644936706?s=20&t=lyi84zFKmFnY9lBW-6okQw
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 24, 2023, 08:00:18 PM
Can confirm the news is true...this from a few hrs ago. Completely unexpected to those of us who cover this program and university on a daily basis.
https://truetothecru.com/2023/01/24/mark-morefield-no-longer-head-coach-of-umhb-womens-basketball/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2023, 08:25:39 PM
This is kind of a crazy year.
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 25, 2023, 08:34:23 AM
Quote from: True To The Cru/Riley Zayas on January 24, 2023, 08:00:18 PM
Can confirm the news is true...this from a few hrs ago. Completely unexpected to those of us who cover this program and university on a daily basis.
https://truetothecru.com/2023/01/24/mark-morefield-no-longer-head-coach-of-umhb-womens-basketball/

DCTB speculates an outburst after a practice injury (https://www.texasbasketball.com/article/2023/01/24/morefield-removed-as-umhb-women-s-head-coach?ref=article_preview_title) in November (where Morefield [edit: allegedly] used profanity) contributed to this, but if coaches were fired every time they cursed there'd be a whole lot more turnover than there already is.  There have been some "it's about time" tweets by people (whose connection to the program isn't clear), so perhaps this was the last straw in a pattern of behavior the school found unacceptable.  We may never know. 
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Etchglow on January 25, 2023, 10:09:50 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 25, 2023, 08:34:23 AM
Quote from: True To The Cru/Riley Zayas on January 24, 2023, 08:00:18 PM
Can confirm the news is true...this from a few hrs ago. Completely unexpected to those of us who cover this program and university on a daily basis.
https://truetothecru.com/2023/01/24/mark-morefield-no-longer-head-coach-of-umhb-womens-basketball/

DCTB speculates an outburst after a practice injury (https://www.texasbasketball.com/article/2023/01/24/morefield-removed-as-umhb-women-s-head-coach?ref=article_preview_title) in November (where Morefield [edit: allegedly] used profanity) contributed to this, but if coaches were fired every time they cursed there'd be a whole lot more turnover than there already is.  There have been some "it's about time" tweets by people (whose connection to the program isn't clear), so perhaps this was the last straw in a pattern of behavior the school found unacceptable.  We may never know.

The person on twitter stating "its about time" is the mother of a player who appeared on the roster for UMHB in 2020-2021 as a freshman.  She played zero minutes that year and has not been on the roster since then and appears to have left UMHB.
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 25, 2023, 02:15:12 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on January 25, 2023, 10:09:50 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 25, 2023, 08:34:23 AM
Quote from: True To The Cru/Riley Zayas on January 24, 2023, 08:00:18 PM
Can confirm the news is true...this from a few hrs ago. Completely unexpected to those of us who cover this program and university on a daily basis.
https://truetothecru.com/2023/01/24/mark-morefield-no-longer-head-coach-of-umhb-womens-basketball/

DCTB speculates an outburst after a practice injury (https://www.texasbasketball.com/article/2023/01/24/morefield-removed-as-umhb-women-s-head-coach?ref=article_preview_title) in November (where Morefield [edit: allegedly] used profanity) contributed to this, but if coaches were fired every time they cursed there'd be a whole lot more turnover than there already is.  There have been some "it's about time" tweets by people (whose connection to the program isn't clear), so perhaps this was the last straw in a pattern of behavior the school found unacceptable.  We may never know.

The person on twitter stating "its about time" is the mother of a player who appeared on the roster for UMHB in 2020-2021 as a freshman.  She played zero minutes that year and has not been on the roster since then and appears to have left UMHB.

Yes, that person's daughter also posted a similar message, as did a player who was on the roster for 5 games last season before leaving midyear. For good reason, I haven't seen anything from anyone who has been involved with the program within the last 12 months. Everyone has stayed pretty quiet in terms of social media on this topic.
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 26, 2023, 01:41:29 PM
Coach Morefield is going to be on next Monday's Hoopsville to explain his side of the situation.  He also released a statement to DCTB (which is Dave Campbell's Texas Basketball for anyone wondering).  Both here:  https://twitter.com/d3hoopsville/status/1618676983654715402
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Etchglow on January 26, 2023, 01:57:14 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 26, 2023, 01:41:29 PM
Coach Morefield is going to be on next Monday's Hoopsville to explain his side of the situation.  He also released a statement to DCTB (which is Dave Campbell's Texas Basketball for anyone wondering).  Both here:  https://twitter.com/d3hoopsville/status/1618676983654715402

There is a video floating around on twitter of an incident that probably contributed to it.  I can see both sides to the situation here.  But then again, I grew up watching Bobby Knight and Kim Mulkey coach...
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2023, 05:24:57 PM

Having now seen the video, I'm much more concerned with the overall incident than any individual words that may have been used.  I'm someone who believes a leader should be able to control themselves, even when experiencing extreme emotions.  There's a difference between yelling to motivate your team or wake them up and simply berating them.  This is very close to that line, if not over.

I'm not personally an advocate of yelling as a motivational technique.  If a coach does it too much, the players tune it out.

I would not want my daughter to be in the situation those players were in and I hope I'm raising her with enough confidence to walk out if she ever finds herself there.

All that to say, I don't think what he did in that video is outside the bounds of what could reasonably expected of a basketball coach.  I just personally don't think it should be in bounds for any basketball coach.
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 26, 2023, 05:37:15 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2023, 05:24:57 PM

Having now seen the video, I'm much more concerned with the overall incident than any individual words that may have been used.  I'm someone who believes a leader should be able to control themselves, even when experiencing extreme emotions.  There's a difference between yelling to motivate your team or wake them up and simply berating them.  This is very close to that line, if not over.

I'm not personally an advocate of yelling as a motivational technique.  If a coach does it too much, the players tune it out.

I would not want my daughter to be in the situation those players were in and I hope I'm raising her with enough confidence to walk out if she ever finds herself there.

All that to say, I don't think what he did in that video is outside the bounds of what could reasonably expected of a basketball coach.  I just personally don't think it should be in bounds for any basketball coach.

I agree with all of the above. And, while obviously I do not know for sure, I don't think it's a stretch to think that worse things were said and/or this was a pattern of behavior. I have only been in a gym with this coach a couple times, but one of those (in 2019) ended with him berating the opposing coach after the game to the point where the opposing coach's players stepped in between him and that coach because they thought he was about to get physical. This is something I witnessed firsthand, and not rumor or speculation.
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: D3Navy on January 26, 2023, 05:54:06 PM
I personally witnessed this type of unhinged behavior by this coach on the sideline of their game at Trinity a few weeks ago.  Now combined with this video it is clear that he needed to be removed. 

It's heart-wrenching that these young women had to suffer this when all they sought was the competition, camaraderie, and fulfillment of athletics.

I hope it is a warning to other coaches.

Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 03, 2023, 12:04:14 PM
Game story from Alpine...I continue to be impressed by the job E.J. Lee Smith is doing at SRSU. Recruiting out there is difficult and yet she has brought in some transfers who are already contributing. SRSU will likely be ranked in R10 next week. Really competitive battle last night, but in the end, the Lobos came out with a 3-point win.

https://truetothecru.com/2023/02/02/sul-ross-state-77-umhb-74-umhb-womens-hoops-falls-in-asc-road-duel/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 10, 2023, 01:49:15 AM
Really solid defensive battle in Belton tonight. UMHB pulls out a 50-43 win over UT Dallas...had a NESCAC-like feel to it, and UMHB held UTD to single digits in 3 of the 4 quarters, playing a very high-quality zone defense. Talked with both Kendra Foreman (UMHB interim HC) and Joe Shotland (UTD head coach) postgame. There's a lot of respect between the two programs as it always was with Polly at UTD and Mark Morefield at UMHB.

Recap below...
https://truetothecru.com/2023/02/09/umhb-50-utd-43-stellar-defensive-effort-gives-umhb-womens-hoops-key-victory/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 10, 2023, 08:39:29 AM
Quote from: True To The Cru/Riley Zayas on February 10, 2023, 01:49:15 AM
Really solid defensive battle in Belton tonight. UMHB pulls out a 50-43 win over UT Dallas...had a NESCAC-like feel to it, and UMHB held UTD to single digits in 3 of the 4 quarters, playing a very high-quality zone defense. Talked with both Kendra Foreman (UMHB interim HC) and Joe Shotland (UTD head coach) postgame. There's a lot of respect between the two programs as it always was with Polly at UTD and Mark Morefield at UMHB.

Recap below...
https://truetothecru.com/2023/02/09/umhb-50-utd-43-stellar-defensive-effort-gives-umhb-womens-hoops-key-victory/

Have to wonder how the conference would have shaped up had Parris Kiser remained at UT-D.  She's had a huge impact at HSU and would have to think she would have continued her strong run of play had she remained at UT-D.  The Comets don't have that go-to player any more - nobody is averaging even 8 ppg, let alone double figures - and it shows in games like last night's. 

But the conference championship is obviously HSU's to lose.  UMHB is hoping UC-Santa Cruz stays regionally ranked and could really use a W against HSU in the final game of the regular season and/or one against ETBU in the ASC championships to boost their wins vRRO (as of this moment I have them at 1-5/.554 SoS).  With ETBU at 3-3 vRRO/.535 SoS, they have a better chance at a Pool C so the Cru might have to win the championship to get into the NCAAs, with HSU (3-2/.547) having a strong case for a Pool C if they get upset.

In all likelihood two playoff teams from the ASC would result in first two rounds of the NCAAs in San Antonio at Trinity (5-1 vRRO/.526 SOS), though another Tiger loss to Colorado College (or anyone else) combined with a SOS that's not going to get any better could change the equation if HSU wins out. 
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2023, 06:51:57 PM
Kendra Anderson Halsell, HSU head coach and former All-ASC, All-American and (WBCA) Wade Trophy winner for NCAA POTY as a Cowgirl, has to have a deep sense of gratitude to be hosting the ASC tournament.
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 22, 2023, 01:11:19 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 10, 2023, 08:39:29 AM
Quote from: True To The Cru/Riley Zayas on February 10, 2023, 01:49:15 AM
Really solid defensive battle in Belton tonight. UMHB pulls out a 50-43 win over UT Dallas...had a NESCAC-like feel to it, and UMHB held UTD to single digits in 3 of the 4 quarters, playing a very high-quality zone defense. Talked with both Kendra Foreman (UMHB interim HC) and Joe Shotland (UTD head coach) postgame. There's a lot of respect between the two programs as it always was with Polly at UTD and Mark Morefield at UMHB.

Recap below...
https://truetothecru.com/2023/02/09/umhb-50-utd-43-stellar-defensive-effort-gives-umhb-womens-hoops-key-victory/

Have to wonder how the conference would have shaped up had Parris Kiser remained at UT-D.  She's had a huge impact at HSU and would have to think she would have continued her strong run of play had she remained at UT-D.  The Comets don't have that go-to player any more - nobody is averaging even 8 ppg, let alone double figures - and it shows in games like last night's. 

But the conference championship is obviously HSU's to lose.  UMHB is hoping UC-Santa Cruz stays regionally ranked and could really use a W against HSU in the final game of the regular season and/or one against ETBU in the ASC championships to boost their wins vRRO (as of this moment I have them at 1-5/.554 SoS).  With ETBU at 3-3 vRRO/.535 SoS, they have a better chance at a Pool C so the Cru might have to win the championship to get into the NCAAs, with HSU (3-2/.547) having a strong case for a Pool C if they get upset.

In all likelihood two playoff teams from the ASC would result in first two rounds of the NCAAs in San Antonio at Trinity (5-1 vRRO/.526 SOS), though another Tiger loss to Colorado College (or anyone else) combined with a SOS that's not going to get any better could change the equation if HSU wins out.

+1 Ron.

I have thought the same thing about Kiser. I guess the coaching change had a lot to do with it, though I've never spoken with her about it. She has been huge in running that offense. Parmer can shoot the lights out, Blizzard is as good as anyone in the post, and they have added depth off the bench. They're going to make a run this year if they can get past Trinity (which will be really tough...but then again, it's really hard to beat a team 3 times). Kiser has that connection to HSU through her husband's family, as Drew Kiser's father was a stellar player for HSU MBB back in the day. Drew ended up playing at UTD, as did his brother, Luke, who is still at UTD. If HSU is going to make a run, this is the year to do it. Getting a shooter like Parmer and a ballhandler like Kiser on the same team doesn't happen often.

I think UMHB has to win the ASC to get in...I don't see them getting a Pool C, though there is a path, despite their 1-5 RRO record (with the only win coming to UCSC as you mentioned). If HSU wins the ASC, and Trinity were to somehow lose the SCAC Tournament, I wouldn't be surprised to see the first weekend host in TX be HSU. We will have to see. But even ETBU getting in via Pool C will be tough. Saturday's loss to UTD I think ruined that possibility.
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2023, 11:26:38 PM
Joe Shotland one game from making a triumphant return to San Antonio for the NCAAs as his Comets pull off the huge upset of HSU in Abilene tonight, 73-71, for the team's fifth straight win.  One of those wins came against their ASC final opponent, ETBU.  UT-D was an efficient 5-9 from deep and overcame a 29-16 disadvantage at the stripe (and missing half of the few FTs they took).  HSU was an uncharacteristic 4-16 from beyond the arc. Jordan Maxwell hit a jumper as time expired after HSU turned the ball over with 4 seconds left.
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 25, 2023, 12:30:04 AM
Joe is a great dude! Have really enjoyed getting to know him this season and so glad to see his early success with UTD. To think this is his first year as a HC is crazy!

That was a wild finish too!! Great games in the ASC tonight. And for anyone interested, here's True To The Cru's game story on the action that unfolded in Abilene between UMHB and ETBU:
https://truetothecru.com/2023/02/24/umhb-womens-basketball-falls-to-etbu-in-overtime-in-asc-tournament-semifinal/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on April 14, 2023, 01:46:28 PM
UMHB has a new head coach...
https://truetothecru.com/2023/04/14/breaking-hawaii-pacifics-katie-novak-tabbed-as-umhb-womens-basketballs-next-head-coach/
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2024, 08:42:17 PM
HSU should not feel badly about their performance in the Sweet 16. NYU trounced Scranton in the next round.
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 13, 2024, 01:39:38 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2024, 08:42:17 PMHSU should not feel badly about their performance in the Sweet 16. NYU trounced Scranton in the next round.
NYU is loaded with talent.
Title: Re: WBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 16, 2024, 10:49:56 PM
Here is how much NYU scored relative to their opponents as a percentage...

No. 1 New York University beat Smith 51-41  124%

def. Millsaps (n), 78-51  153%
def. No. 15 DeSales (r), 93-59  158%
def. No. 10 Hardin-Simmons (h), 73-55  133%
def. No. 6 Scranton (h), 68-46  148%
def. No. 2 Transylvania (n), 57-42  135%

Not bad, Cowgirls.